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Great New Republican Idea: Blacklisting People Who Support Trump
Jazz Shaw has some thoughts on this, which can be summed up as "It's a terrible idea."
I was going to write about this a month ago when I saw a lot of people doing the shit I hate, which is creating Coordinated Group Shaming Efforts to bully people into compliance, rather than attempting to persuade them. Yes, there are lots of lower-level Trumpites who attempt ferocious attacks to bully people, but the effort on the other side is coming from people in higher positions of influence and, one supposes, respectability. This is not how you approach allies; these tactics are used on enemies only. Because believe me, if the person you're trying a bullying campaign on wasn't an enemy before you tried this, he'll be your enemy afterwards. I think Trump is a cataclysmic event for the Republican Party. I can't help but notice, though, that Trump arose partly due to a party that had become sclerotic and fossilized by repeating its own received wisdom too damn many times without ever thinking about it -- much the same as the liberals had become fossilized by the nineties -- and the response to a party splintering over endlessly regurgitated group dogma is more endlessly regurgitated group dogma, this time with a "Conform or Be Ostracized" threat attached to it. I've become fatalistic about this. Yes, Trump would be a disaster for the party in most ways. Yes we should do all we can do to avoid that -- and yes, that means if he's one delegate short of the nomination, he should be denied it. Unless, by some miracle, polls show that he has some kind of reasonable chance to win the election -- which I doubt in the extreme; and also, I'm still not sure I could support him even if he wasn't going to drag the movement into the dumpster fire with him. He seems, frankly, crazed do me, with his bizarre fixation on hand-size and Megyn Kelly. I have my own personal Psychological Fitness test, and Trump has flunked it as hard as someone could possibly flunk it. I just don't trust him with the Bomb. Even if polls show him not losing catastrophically, it might be necessary to run a third-party bid against him anyway. But this catastrophe is coming, in one form or the other. Either Trump is the nominee and we lose, or he's not the nominee and we also lose. Or, God forbid, he wins the election, and then we might really lose. Knowing that you're going to lose, and that therefore there are no nagging pragmatic reasons to compromise yourself, is very freeing. I think the important thing is to begin planning ahead, and planning on what we'd like the conservative movement to look like during the Hillary Rodham presidency. Do we want to be the party of openness to ideas, and a tolerant party, or do we want to be the mirror image of the Social Justice Warriors, with a litany of angry dogmas and lengthy Public Shaming Lists?Comments
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Day 17?
Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2016 05:43 PM (fizMZ)
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Buckle up! It's going to be a bumpy ride,
Posted by: fluffy at March 21, 2016 05:44 PM (2hcmo)
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The idea of blacklisting people who support a candidate the establishment does not like is not a new idea at all, it's how politics is run in most ever third world country. Is that what they want for America?
Posted by: IC at March 21, 2016 05:45 PM (a0IVu)
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The MSM and the Trump haterades all say that Donald Trump is the nutty one.
Whoa nelly.
Kettle meet black. (That's not rayciss is it?)
Whoa nelly.
Kettle meet black. (That's not rayciss is it?)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 21, 2016 05:45 PM (ej1L0)
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GOPe is nothing but pols who couldn't hack it in the Dem party... case #08134120
Posted by: cajun caret at March 21, 2016 05:45 PM (++b9A)
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 21, 2016 05:45 PM (o2321)
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You notice the same people don't suggest blacklisting supporters of Kasich? I mean if anyone deserved to be blacklisted...
Posted by: Burn It Down at March 21, 2016 05:45 PM (SWIMe)
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A bit of pessimistic view there Ace. Your view is very rational but also quite depressing and defeatist. I for one am not ready to lie down and give up. I will make the best of what ever bad situation I am presented with.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 05:46 PM (mw8Dm)
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Trump is giving a great speech at AIPAC.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 21, 2016 05:46 PM (iQIUe)
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It is a bad idea, it only drives semi supporters to full on. And it's a leftist bush league move.
Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2016 05:46 PM (fizMZ)
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"Treating Israel as a second class citizen will end on Day One."
Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 05:46 PM (HA9zO)
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> I think Trump is a cataclysmic event for the Republican Party.
We'll make you into a Trump supporter yet!
We'll make you into a Trump supporter yet!
Posted by: Kenja Time at March 21, 2016 05:46 PM (1TjZq)
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Erik Erikson was dog-whistling this yesterday. What a Kunt.
Posted by: BunkerinTheBurbs at March 21, 2016 05:46 PM (bA+CL)
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 21, 2016 05:46 PM (o2321)
Posted by: ThunderB at March 21, 2016 05:46 PM (zOTsN)
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I wonder if Bibi is listening to this and weeping with joy? I hope so.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 21, 2016 05:46 PM (iQIUe)
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Paris With Love is a fun movie and Travolta was great
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 05:47 PM (R5HRU)
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Trump is crushing it at AIPAC right now.
Posted by: @votermom at March 21, 2016 05:47 PM (cbfNE)
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To many liberal wienie Jews at this AIPAC speech. What are they sitting on their hands?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 05:47 PM (mw8Dm)
Posted by: ThunderB at March 21, 2016 05:47 PM (zOTsN)
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Yeah, no money to teach kids to kill jews.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 21, 2016 05:47 PM (iQIUe)
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I'm actually watching the Donald, he hasn't mentioned Ted yet.
Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2016 05:47 PM (fizMZ)
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Trump making a powerful case for Israel and against the Palis.
Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 05:47 PM (HA9zO)
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I am ok with Trump supporters being my enemy for life. It is not like they have anything in common with what I want to see happen with government.
Posted by: astonerii at March 21, 2016 05:47 PM (o/DjS)
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I hope Trump attacks hillary some in this speech at AIPAC
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 05:48 PM (mw8Dm)
Posted by: ThunderB at March 21, 2016 05:48 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Skeezix at March 21, 2016 05:48 PM (WnCSK)
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When does the shooting part start?
Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2016 05:48 PM (e3bId)
Posted by: ThunderB at March 21, 2016 05:48 PM (zOTsN)
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First - this is Ted Cruz's ex communications director and speechwriter recommending this. You may not attribute this shitty idea to Cruz - but it's certainly in line with the mentality of his campaign.
Second - there's an article out today that reminds us all that at this point in the '80 campaign - Ronald Reagan was 15 points behind Carter and everyone said he couldn't win.
He won in a landslide.
Don't know why Ace is buying into the line that Trump can't win. He'll slam dunk Killary unless the GOP elite sabotage him - with help from Eric Erickson et al.
Second - there's an article out today that reminds us all that at this point in the '80 campaign - Ronald Reagan was 15 points behind Carter and everyone said he couldn't win.
He won in a landslide.
Don't know why Ace is buying into the line that Trump can't win. He'll slam dunk Killary unless the GOP elite sabotage him - with help from Eric Erickson et al.
Posted by: Thor at March 21, 2016 05:48 PM (sa6+8)
Posted by: Bernie! at March 21, 2016 05:48 PM (2hcmo)
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"There is No Moral Equivalency between Palestinians and Israel"
Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 05:48 PM (HA9zO)
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Look, I am definitely on the TDS spectrum, but this is nonsense.
We're supposed to be the good guys who win because our ideas are better. They insult Trump as a fifth grade bully. Probably accurate. But this is third grade schoolyard stuff.
We're supposed to be the good guys who win because our ideas are better. They insult Trump as a fifth grade bully. Probably accurate. But this is third grade schoolyard stuff.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 21, 2016 05:48 PM (1xUj/)
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I'm actually watching the Donald, he hasn't mentioned Ted yet.
Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2016 05:47 PM (fizMZ)
Why should he
Good there he goes after hillary
Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2016 05:47 PM (fizMZ)
Why should he
Good there he goes after hillary
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 05:48 PM (mw8Dm)
Posted by: ThunderB at March 21, 2016 05:49 PM (zOTsN)
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... or Trump is elected and the GOP refuses to work with him, and the Democrats go nuts.
... Or Cruz is elected and the GOP refuses to work with him, and the Democrats go nuts.
... Or the GOP selects nominates someone other than Trump or Cruz who gets elected and the democrats go nuts
... or space invaders land and start eating us.
... or a massive comet strikes the erff and we all did.
... or
... or Trump is elected and the GOP refuses to work with him, and the Democrats go nuts.
... Or Cruz is elected and the GOP refuses to work with him, and the Democrats go nuts.
... Or the GOP selects nominates someone other than Trump or Cruz who gets elected and the democrats go nuts
... or space invaders land and start eating us.
... or a massive comet strikes the erff and we all did.
... or
Posted by: Rogland Brostle at March 21, 2016 05:49 PM (or4ie)
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He is getting standing O's.
Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 05:49 PM (HA9zO)
Posted by: just wait, you won't believe what happens next at March 21, 2016 05:49 PM (IQI2h)
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Nevergiveup, your wish was just granted.
Nevergiveup, your wish was just granted.
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 21, 2016 05:49 PM (o2321)
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Not sure where this thread fits on the stages of grief. Some strange new category involving cheap vodka and hoboes, I imagine.
Posted by: mega machines at March 21, 2016 05:49 PM (fbovC)
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Guardian liveblog of Trump's AIPAC speech:
http://tinyurl.com/gney75b
Pull quotes as far as the eye can see.
Guardian liveblog of Trump's AIPAC speech:
http://tinyurl.com/gney75b
Pull quotes as far as the eye can see.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 21, 2016 05:49 PM (kdS6q)
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Trump is getting repeated standing ovations over at AIPAC, he's killing it.
Posted by: Kenja Time at March 21, 2016 05:49 PM (1TjZq)
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I think the important thing is to begin planning ahead, and planning on what we'd like the conservative movement to look like during the Hillary Rodham presidency.
What evidence shows that ANY GOP candidate is better positioned to beat Hildabeast? Is Cruz better? Kasich? I'm not being sarcastic; I just hear a lot about how Trump is a surefire loser to Hillary but I don't see anything that says (credibly) that Cruz would do any better.
I'll support the candidate who is most likely to crush Hillary. Period.
What evidence shows that ANY GOP candidate is better positioned to beat Hildabeast? Is Cruz better? Kasich? I'm not being sarcastic; I just hear a lot about how Trump is a surefire loser to Hillary but I don't see anything that says (credibly) that Cruz would do any better.
I'll support the candidate who is most likely to crush Hillary. Period.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 21, 2016 05:49 PM (8ZskC)
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I was waiting for your first Trump or Cruz or whatever GOP post to mention this in the comments. The Conservative Treehouse has a good piece up on this issue.
http://tinyurl.com/zr4aofb
http://tinyurl.com/zr4aofb
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 21, 2016 05:50 PM (R+30W)
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why couldn't Trump have sounded like this at those two debates?
...the ones where he sounded like a dick. And yes, I realize that the Usual Suspects would be pounding on him regardless ( or irregardless, if you be Southern )
...the ones where he sounded like a dick. And yes, I realize that the Usual Suspects would be pounding on him regardless ( or irregardless, if you be Southern )
Posted by: ladies and gentlemen, the Kansas City Chiefs !! at March 21, 2016 05:50 PM (/542q)
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8 A bit of pessimistic view there Ace. Your view is very rational but also quite depressing and defeatist. I for one am not ready to lie down and give up. I will make the best of what ever bad situation I am presented with.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 05:46 PM (mw8Dm)
He's in booster mode.. let him roll. Maybe we'll get some ewok meme gifs like we did for Rubio. You know - they guy that passed Ace's sanity test.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 05:46 PM (mw8Dm)
He's in booster mode.. let him roll. Maybe we'll get some ewok meme gifs like we did for Rubio. You know - they guy that passed Ace's sanity test.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at March 21, 2016 05:50 PM (dH97I)
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A bit fatalistic, no? Clinton wins, we lose the second amendment. I would vote for the devil if he was running against her.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 21, 2016 05:50 PM (Qvgg/)
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Republicans better start treating Trump with more respect. None of them were invited to his last wedding. If they don't shape up, they won't be invited to the next one either. You know, once Melania starts getting old or mouthy.
Posted by: Sooper Smart Conservative at March 21, 2016 05:50 PM (XItbt)
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Eternal capital. There it is. Just went to the right of Katshit.
Posted by: BunkerinTheBurbs at March 21, 2016 05:50 PM (bA+CL)
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"There is No Moral Equivalency between Palestinians and Israel"
Trump is obviously now under the control of the Elders of Zion.
Trump is obviously now under the control of the Elders of Zion.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 21, 2016 05:51 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: ThunderB at March 21, 2016 05:51 PM (zOTsN)
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We WILL move the American Embassy to the Eternal Holy City of Israel , Jerusalem.
Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 05:51 PM (HA9zO)
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Embassy moving to Jerusalem!!!!
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 21, 2016 05:51 PM (iQIUe)
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All right. That tears it. Was supporting Cruz. Now it's Trump. For spite.
Posted by: Sphynx at March 21, 2016 05:51 PM (OZmbA)
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I would vote for the devil if he was running against her.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 21, 2016 05:50 PM (Qvgg/)
Amen
As WSC said:
If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 21, 2016 05:50 PM (Qvgg/)
Amen
As WSC said:
If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 05:51 PM (mw8Dm)
Posted by: ThunderB at March 21, 2016 05:51 PM (zOTsN)
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People are free to say they'll vote for Trump and why. People are also free to say they're voting for someone else and why.
Because we're a free country, and we can say whatever the heck we want. And it's awesome because of that.
'MURICA.
Because we're a free country, and we can say whatever the heck we want. And it's awesome because of that.
'MURICA.
Posted by: pookysgirl at March 21, 2016 05:52 PM (MZ65M)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 05:52 PM (ubByS)
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I had just finished Trump's Geopolitical Illiteracy at Commontary
Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2016 05:52 PM (fizMZ)
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Trump is obviously now under the control of the Elders of Zion.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 21, 2016 05:51 PM (8ZskC)
Beats who is pulling the current guy's stings buy a long mile.
Trump is obviously now under the control of the Elders of Zion.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 21, 2016 05:51 PM (8ZskC)
Beats who is pulling the current guy's stings buy a long mile.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at March 21, 2016 05:52 PM (dH97I)
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The pesky thing about blacklists is that they can easily go both ways.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 21, 2016 05:52 PM (WnCSK)
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55 I would vote for the devil if he was running against her.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 21, 2016 05:50 PM (Qvgg/)
Me too...
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 21, 2016 05:50 PM (Qvgg/)
Me too...
Posted by: donna at March 21, 2016 05:52 PM (/dSsq)
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Reap it.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 21, 2016 05:52 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: ThunderB at March 21, 2016 05:52 PM (zOTsN)
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>>> I'll support the candidate who is most likely to crush Hillary. Period.
I'm your huckleberry pancakes.
I'm your huckleberry pancakes.
Posted by: Chris Christie at March 21, 2016 05:52 PM (2hcmo)
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 21, 2016 05:52 PM (o2321)
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Nice ending with that note about his daughter and his soon to be grand baby
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 05:52 PM (mw8Dm)
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Cruz based on his religious beliefs (if nothing else) would certainly be an Israel supporter. In more than just words.
Posted by: Seems legit at March 21, 2016 05:52 PM (U+nHb)
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I have a great idea....how about getting more votes than trump....Fuck the little people is never a good plan
Posted by: MrKnowItAll at March 21, 2016 05:53 PM (egzLR)
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"I think the important thing is to begin planning ahead, and planning on what we'd like the conservative movement to look like during the Hillary Rodham presidency."
Oh, lots of options, from three-person resistance cells all the way up to orders of battle with army and corps commands.
Oh, maybe not what you had in mind. My bust.
Oh, lots of options, from three-person resistance cells all the way up to orders of battle with army and corps commands.
Oh, maybe not what you had in mind. My bust.
Posted by: Baron bon Mot at March 21, 2016 05:53 PM (J3UIw)
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I've been on the train since early fall, and that was stunningly good.
Posted by: BunkerinTheBurbs at March 21, 2016 05:53 PM (bA+CL)
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>>>Don't know why Ace is buying into the line that Trump can't win. He'll slam dunk Killary unless the GOP elite sabotage him - with help from Eric Erickson et al.
sure. all the polls are wrong. they're all faked by people who don't like Trump.
let's proceed to the inevitable next step: Claiming that Trump *could have won* had he not been stabbed in the back by Charles Krauthammer or even minor bloggers like me.
PS, I'm not stabbing him in the back, I'm stabbing him in the front.
and when he loses catastrophically the same as all the polls are telling you he will, you'll just start creating the narrative by which the people who warned you are really to blame and the people who rejected facts are really the unsung heroes in all of it.
sure. all the polls are wrong. they're all faked by people who don't like Trump.
let's proceed to the inevitable next step: Claiming that Trump *could have won* had he not been stabbed in the back by Charles Krauthammer or even minor bloggers like me.
PS, I'm not stabbing him in the back, I'm stabbing him in the front.
and when he loses catastrophically the same as all the polls are telling you he will, you'll just start creating the narrative by which the people who warned you are really to blame and the people who rejected facts are really the unsung heroes in all of it.
Posted by: ace at March 21, 2016 05:53 PM (dciA+)
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So who can beat Hillary? Kasich..sure. Cuz...yeah right. So whose left? You Ace?
Posted by: Trumpnado at March 21, 2016 05:53 PM (gxIP7)
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Beats who is pulling the current guy's stings buy a long mile.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at March 21, 2016 05:52 PM (dH97I)
And who is that?
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at March 21, 2016 05:52 PM (dH97I)
And who is that?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 21, 2016 05:53 PM (8ZskC)
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I HAVE A BEAUTIFUL JEWISH BABY
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 05:53 PM (ubByS)
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Anyone who gets one of the two major party nominations has a chance to win. That said, I can't help but think that Trump will likely lose if nominated. Its possible that Trump will be such a wild card that he will open up some previously unknown path to victory -- but even if he wins, its hard to see how that is good for the "conservative movement."
Of course, as someone who generally supports shrinking government to Calvin Coolidge levels (which would require the utter repeal of the New Deal), I'm used to being forced to accept increasing socialism in this country, even under a "Conservative" banner.
Of course, as someone who generally supports shrinking government to Calvin Coolidge levels (which would require the utter repeal of the New Deal), I'm used to being forced to accept increasing socialism in this country, even under a "Conservative" banner.
Posted by: Revenant at March 21, 2016 05:53 PM (y64uP)
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Now Trump is invoking daughter having 'beautiful Jewish baby'.
Posted by: mega machines at March 21, 2016 05:53 PM (fbovC)
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Chris Matthews is stunned but won't admit it.
Brick-shitting is commencing at msnbc and cnn and fox.
Chris Matthews is stunned but won't admit it.
Brick-shitting is commencing at msnbc and cnn and fox.
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 21, 2016 05:53 PM (o2321)
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And dorks wanted him to skip this so he could be attacked by Megyn Kelly. LOL
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 21, 2016 05:54 PM (iQIUe)
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There will be a lot of See I Told You So's. I'm just not sure who will be making them.
Posted by: SH at March 21, 2016 05:54 PM (gmeXX)
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Our current preezy stands at attention in front of a Che mural in fucking Cuba, praises their human rights efforts, and you're worried about
Trump's finger on the big bang switch?
Mutually Assured Destruction, how does it work?
Trump's finger on the big bang switch?
Mutually Assured Destruction, how does it work?
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 21, 2016 05:54 PM (gyKtp)
Posted by: ThunderB at March 21, 2016 05:54 PM (zOTsN)
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Well, that was a damn fine presentation by Trump. Did you see any of it, ace?
Posted by: just wait, you won't believe what happens next at March 21, 2016 05:54 PM (IQI2h)
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On second thought, if Trump wins the nomination and announces Chrispy Cream as his running mate . . . Aw, shit. Not Hillary, though.
Posted by: Sphynx at March 21, 2016 05:54 PM (OZmbA)
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"Yes, Trump would be a disaster for the party in most ways. Yes we should do all we can do to avoid that -- and yes, that means if he's one delegate short of the nomination, he should be denied it."
One delegate away and deny Trump? Yeah, that'll get Trump supporters feeling all warm and fuzzy towards the GOPe.
One delegate away and deny Trump? Yeah, that'll get Trump supporters feeling all warm and fuzzy towards the GOPe.
Posted by: The Illegal Mexican Kevin Williamson at March 21, 2016 05:54 PM (5GODt)
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I'm going to listen to it again!
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 21, 2016 05:54 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2016 05:54 PM (NOIQH)
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We could get Jeb to run against Trump
Posted by: MrKnowItAll at March 21, 2016 05:54 PM (egzLR)
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G_d, does the GOP do anything right? Is there a bad idea that they haven't passed on?
Posted by: Hadoop at March 21, 2016 05:54 PM (2X7pN)
90
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why couldn't Trump have sounded like this at those two debates?
No need to, that's why.
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 21, 2016 05:52 PM (o2321)
Lib media propaganda press covers GOP racism and hate only. He's using their bigoted, state-licensed media oxygen against them.
why couldn't Trump have sounded like this at those two debates?
No need to, that's why.
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 21, 2016 05:52 PM (o2321)
Lib media propaganda press covers GOP racism and hate only. He's using their bigoted, state-licensed media oxygen against them.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at March 21, 2016 05:55 PM (dH97I)
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"I think the important thing is to begin planning ahead, and planning on
what we'd like the conservative movement to look like during the
Hillary Rodham presidency."
--
I hate to say it, but armed revolt is the only option in that scenario, because making speeches is pointless when your rights are being taken away.
what we'd like the conservative movement to look like during the
Hillary Rodham presidency."
--
I hate to say it, but armed revolt is the only option in that scenario, because making speeches is pointless when your rights are being taken away.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 21, 2016 05:55 PM (Qvgg/)
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Krauthammer didn't like it.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 21, 2016 05:55 PM (FkBIv)
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It's freaking March.Hillary might kill him,than again she might not.
Posted by: steevy at March 21, 2016 05:55 PM (B48dK)
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After Trump canceled his December trip to Israel, he said it was only postponed until after his inauguration as president --- but he might be better served by following through with the trip this summer instead as part of his campaign.
Posted by: My Ridiculously Circuitous Plan at March 21, 2016 05:55 PM (FohCt)
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Hi my name is Tracy - please put me on one of those lists and then publish that list - that way I know who puts their ideology before the Country.
It's always nice to see your enemies outing themselves....makes it much easier to separate the wheat from the chaff.
It's always nice to see your enemies outing themselves....makes it much easier to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Posted by: Tracy Coyle at March 21, 2016 05:55 PM (SXT9g)
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>>> What evidence shows that ANY GOP candidate is better positioned to beat Hildabeast? Is Cruz better? Kasich? I'm not being sarcastic; I just hear a lot about how Trump is a surefire loser to Hillary but I don't see anything that says (credibly) that Cruz would do any better.
*****
Pretty much every poll on the topic showed Hillary losing to every Republican candidate except Trump. Cruz has consistently polled best (with the largest lead) against Hillary for the past 6 months or more.
The most recent poll in consistently red Utah shows Hillary trouncing Trump in a head to head matchup while Cruz gets 60%.
*****
Pretty much every poll on the topic showed Hillary losing to every Republican candidate except Trump. Cruz has consistently polled best (with the largest lead) against Hillary for the past 6 months or more.
The most recent poll in consistently red Utah shows Hillary trouncing Trump in a head to head matchup while Cruz gets 60%.
Posted by: Damiano at March 21, 2016 05:55 PM (XItbt)
Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 05:55 PM (MCmqp)
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Perhaps Teh Donald has decided it's time to unleash the A-game.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 21, 2016 05:56 PM (oVJmc)
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Trump arose partly due to a party that had become sclerotic and fossilized
Frankly, I think Trump arose due to a party that refused to honor promises it made to voters in order to win elections, which instead then helped Obama and liberalism grow ever larger. But whatever.
Frankly, I think Trump arose due to a party that refused to honor promises it made to voters in order to win elections, which instead then helped Obama and liberalism grow ever larger. But whatever.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 21, 2016 05:56 PM (AroJD)
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Cruz has no chance of beating Hillary,none.Cruze will drive Democratic voter turn out.
Cruz has no chance of beating Hillary,none.Cruze will drive Democratic voter turn out.
Posted by: flawless male logic at March 21, 2016 05:56 PM (lKyWE)
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So what do you all think of President Trump?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 05:56 PM (ubByS)
Posted by: GOPe at March 21, 2016 05:56 PM (c7vUv)
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91 "I think the important thing is to begin planning ahead, and planning on
what we'd like the conservative movement to look like during the
Hillary Rodham presidency."
From inside the re-education camps?
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what we'd like the conservative movement to look like during the
Hillary Rodham presidency."
From inside the re-education camps?
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Posted by: donna at March 21, 2016 05:56 PM (/dSsq)
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Even us conspiracy guys can't keep up with T. Next thing you know he comes out and says.......
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at March 21, 2016 05:56 PM (A2j/X)
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and when he loses catastrophically the same as all the polls are telling you he will, you'll just start creating the narrative by which the people who warned you are really to blame and the people who rejected facts are really the unsung heroes in all of it.
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There is only one good outcome as I see it. Cruz gets nominated with Trump's full support. Cruz goes onto win. Cruz repeals Obamacare. Cruz appoints three justices more conservative than Bork himself. And Cruz eliminates the IRS.
I'm just trying to be optimistic.
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There is only one good outcome as I see it. Cruz gets nominated with Trump's full support. Cruz goes onto win. Cruz repeals Obamacare. Cruz appoints three justices more conservative than Bork himself. And Cruz eliminates the IRS.
I'm just trying to be optimistic.
Posted by: SH at March 21, 2016 05:56 PM (gmeXX)
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PS, I'm not stabbing him in the back, I'm stabbing him in the front.
and when he loses catastrophically the same as all the polls are telling you he will, you'll just start creating the narrative by which the people who warned you are really to blame and the people who rejected facts are really the unsung heroes in all of it.
Posted by: ace at March 21, 2016 05:53 PM (dciA+)
that's not the point, well at least it is not my point:
Sure fight against Trump in this nomination fight as hard as your want, but understand he may very well be our nominee, and do or say anything irrevocable that could fatally hurt him against hillary and your do that at your own risk. As I said you make a rational argument, although I feel the polls this early and in this race are less reliable than most years. And bottom line, IF he is the nominee, I will make the most of that situation I am presented with, and will not do or say anything today that will knee cap me in November. But hey that's just me
and when he loses catastrophically the same as all the polls are telling you he will, you'll just start creating the narrative by which the people who warned you are really to blame and the people who rejected facts are really the unsung heroes in all of it.
Posted by: ace at March 21, 2016 05:53 PM (dciA+)
that's not the point, well at least it is not my point:
Sure fight against Trump in this nomination fight as hard as your want, but understand he may very well be our nominee, and do or say anything irrevocable that could fatally hurt him against hillary and your do that at your own risk. As I said you make a rational argument, although I feel the polls this early and in this race are less reliable than most years. And bottom line, IF he is the nominee, I will make the most of that situation I am presented with, and will not do or say anything today that will knee cap me in November. But hey that's just me
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 05:56 PM (mw8Dm)
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Cruz based on his religious beliefs (if nothing else) would certainly be an Israel supporter. In more than just words.
Posted by: Seems legit
Iran ICBMs pointed at U.
Posted by: Ted Cruz - How 'bout That Iran Vote, Huh?
Cruz based on his religious beliefs (if nothing else) would certainly be an Israel supporter. In more than just words.
Posted by: Seems legit
Iran ICBMs pointed at U.
Posted by: Ted Cruz - How 'bout That Iran Vote, Huh?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 21, 2016 05:57 PM (kdS6q)
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I didn't think the burning times would be this stupid. Violent, sure.
Posted by: shillelagh at March 21, 2016 05:57 PM (L3vVL)
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And who is that?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 21, 2016 05:53 PM (8ZskC)
Marx, Mao, Ayers, Sorons - any commie with a bone to pick.
And who is that?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 21, 2016 05:53 PM (8ZskC)
Marx, Mao, Ayers, Sorons - any commie with a bone to pick.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at March 21, 2016 05:57 PM (dH97I)
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Clinton wins, we lose the second amendment. I would vote for the devil if he was running against her.
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I couldn't vote for the devil. He's all about global warming.
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I couldn't vote for the devil. He's all about global warming.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 21, 2016 05:57 PM (Nwg0u)
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Kettle meet black. (That's not rayciss is it?)
posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 21, 2016 05:45 PM (ej1L0)
It isn't 'pot kettle black' to notice the guy's a screwball. I keep bringing up Trump's 'I'd hit that' remark about his own daughter not because I believe the man would molest his kid (or any other kid) but because it's a really screwed-up thing to think or say. I mean, come on: try out a remark like that at a neighborhood barbeque and watch the reactions of your soon-to-be estranged family members and former friends.
posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 21, 2016 05:45 PM (ej1L0)
It isn't 'pot kettle black' to notice the guy's a screwball. I keep bringing up Trump's 'I'd hit that' remark about his own daughter not because I believe the man would molest his kid (or any other kid) but because it's a really screwed-up thing to think or say. I mean, come on: try out a remark like that at a neighborhood barbeque and watch the reactions of your soon-to-be estranged family members and former friends.
Posted by: troyriser at March 21, 2016 05:57 PM (Au69S)
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Fox: Aipac audence reception for Trump beyond polite. may have changed some minds here.
Oh, noeessssss!!!!
Fox: Aipac audence reception for Trump beyond polite. may have changed some minds here.
Oh, noeessssss!!!!
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 21, 2016 05:57 PM (iQIUe)
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This post should be titled "In which Ace takes two steps closer to kinship with the Alt-Right"
Posted by: JJ Stone at March 21, 2016 05:57 PM (25dAg)
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Sounds like a plan. Every elected official who supports him should be blacklisted permanently. I think supporting a liberal psychopath is grounds for expulsion. We need to clean out all the charlatan parasites like Palin, Huckabee, Carson, and so many others who use "conservatism" as a way to line their pockets and feel important.
Posted by: Naes at March 21, 2016 05:57 PM (Ypc8j)
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I wanna see ace as trump's press secretary....
Posted by: the morigu at March 21, 2016 05:57 PM (X4/8S)
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But mostly it was sarcasm.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at March 21, 2016 05:57 PM (dH97I)
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Or something related to sarcasm.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at March 21, 2016 05:57 PM (dH97I)
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7 You notice the same people don't suggest blacklisting supporters of Kasich? I mean if anyone deserved to be blacklisted...
Posted by: Burn It Down at March 21, 2016 05:45 PM (SWIMe)
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Cruz has no hope of winning unless it gets to a brokered convention. Cruz, even though he won't have enough delegates outright, hopes he will have such a large number that the GOP will give him the nomination. Kind of the No Trump compromise. Meanwhile, the GOPe also wants it to go to the brokered convention, but they would rather the nomination goes to someone that is neither Trump or Cruz. But, they are both aligned in wanting a brokered convention.
Kasich helps both factions in furthering their goal of denying Trump enough delegates to win the nomination outright. The Cruz camp will not really go after Kasich. Any criticisms will be pro forma.
Posted by: Burn It Down at March 21, 2016 05:45 PM (SWIMe)
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Cruz has no hope of winning unless it gets to a brokered convention. Cruz, even though he won't have enough delegates outright, hopes he will have such a large number that the GOP will give him the nomination. Kind of the No Trump compromise. Meanwhile, the GOPe also wants it to go to the brokered convention, but they would rather the nomination goes to someone that is neither Trump or Cruz. But, they are both aligned in wanting a brokered convention.
Kasich helps both factions in furthering their goal of denying Trump enough delegates to win the nomination outright. The Cruz camp will not really go after Kasich. Any criticisms will be pro forma.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 21, 2016 05:57 PM (R+30W)
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Boehner blacklisted those who voted against him. Yeah, he had to walk back parts of it. But he tried, and functionally I'm sure that list was passed to Ryan.
McConnell demanded an apology from Cruz. No one would support him until last week. He was blacklisted by the entire Senate, effectively.
We more or less want to do the same thing when we talk about getting the establishment out of office, even if they are replaced with a liberal rather than a conservative.
I suggest that pretty much anybody who has spent more than 10 minutes in the presence of Haley Barbour should be on our blacklist. In clear battle lines between GOPe and Conservatives, i'm ready to take no prisoners.
The difficulty is that Trump support cuts to a degree, God help us, across the conservative base. As much as I don't support Trump, we have to leave room for wounds to heal after the Trump movement passes through the large intestine.
McConnell demanded an apology from Cruz. No one would support him until last week. He was blacklisted by the entire Senate, effectively.
We more or less want to do the same thing when we talk about getting the establishment out of office, even if they are replaced with a liberal rather than a conservative.
I suggest that pretty much anybody who has spent more than 10 minutes in the presence of Haley Barbour should be on our blacklist. In clear battle lines between GOPe and Conservatives, i'm ready to take no prisoners.
The difficulty is that Trump support cuts to a degree, God help us, across the conservative base. As much as I don't support Trump, we have to leave room for wounds to heal after the Trump movement passes through the large intestine.
Posted by: TexasDan at March 21, 2016 05:57 PM (pllgW)
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I think it was Amanda Carpenter who came up with this shit idea.
Amazing how many pundits on the right I have come to hate over the years. Seems like Glenn Reynolds and Ace are the only ones left that I don't wish to drop in a vat of boiling oil.
Amazing how many pundits on the right I have come to hate over the years. Seems like Glenn Reynolds and Ace are the only ones left that I don't wish to drop in a vat of boiling oil.
Posted by: Burn It Down at March 21, 2016 05:58 PM (SWIMe)
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Ronald Reagan was getting creamed in the polls in March, 1980. Decimated. He was going to destroy the republican party. Plotters were everywhere. They didn't have blogs back then, but if they did...
See also; crow, eat, not tasty dish
See also; crow, eat, not tasty dish
Posted by: mega machines at March 21, 2016 05:58 PM (fbovC)
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There is only one good outcome as I see it. Cruz gets nominated with
Trump's full support. Cruz goes onto win. Cruz repeals Obamacare.
Cruz appoints three justices more conservative than Bork himself. And
Cruz eliminates the IRS.
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That's my ideal situation as well, but if Cruz can't win the nomination, I'll take Trump. To hell with the idea that we declare defeat in March.
Trump's full support. Cruz goes onto win. Cruz repeals Obamacare.
Cruz appoints three justices more conservative than Bork himself. And
Cruz eliminates the IRS.
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That's my ideal situation as well, but if Cruz can't win the nomination, I'll take Trump. To hell with the idea that we declare defeat in March.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 21, 2016 05:58 PM (Qvgg/)
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Top Ten Differences Between Ted Cruz and Donald Trump
10.) Ted thinks Vladimir Putin is a thug and a bully who must be dealt with from a position of strength.
Donald
thinks "He likes me. He really likes me. And I like me, too. A lot. I
like me really a lot. I admire me. And Putin admires me, too. We both
like and admire me. Vlad would never kill anyone. Or poison them with
radiation. Or castrate them. Or shoot them. Vlad is my friend. He likes
me. He really, really likes me..."
9.) Ted wants to close 5 Big Government agencies.
Donald
wants to close 5 big city newspapers who said mean, mean things about
him. nasty things. mean and nasty things. And only Donald is allowed to
do that.
8.) Ted shut down the government behemoth for half a month.
Donald propped up the Governing Class for half his life.
7.) Ted sees us building houses for widows on the weekend.
Donald seizes buildings and houses from widows and the weakened.
.
6.) Ted thinks this Clinton Foundation "donation" business should be investigated.
Donald thinks his Clinton Foundation donations are business investments.
5.) Ted won landmark conservative victories while appearing before the Supreme Court nine times.
Donald lost landmark casinos while appearing before bankruptcy courts four times.
4.) Ted was called "off the charts brilliant" by his Harvard University law professor Alan Dershowitz.
Donald will be called to testify in his Trump University fraud trial during the Republican Convention.
3.) Ted wants to return your tax money to you.
Donald wants to keep his tax returns secret from you.
2.) Ted is for changing the rules so that ordinary citizens win for a change--it's only right.
Donald is for changing the rules so that he automatically wins without 1237 delegates--or it's only riots.
And the Number One Difference between Ted "the Constitution Man" Cruz and Donald "the Con Man" Trump:
1.) Ted thinks Megalomania is a pro wrestling event.
Donald thinks it's a lifestyle. And all about him.
Of
course, the greatest Difference of All is this: Ted Cruz will be the
next President of the United States while Donald Trump is still lounging in Palm Beach, wearing
his own Mexican-made suits and and Chinese ties, while being served Pepto-Bismal mimosas by his
imported foreign workers.
(bonus alternate Difference
Ted towers high above Donald, beating Hillary in all the polls.
Donald hires illegal Poles to build his towers while Hillary beats him easily.
A Vote for Donald is a Vote For Hillary, But a Vote for Ted is a Vote for Victory!
Mix and match--share freely!
10.) Ted thinks Vladimir Putin is a thug and a bully who must be dealt with from a position of strength.
Donald
thinks "He likes me. He really likes me. And I like me, too. A lot. I
like me really a lot. I admire me. And Putin admires me, too. We both
like and admire me. Vlad would never kill anyone. Or poison them with
radiation. Or castrate them. Or shoot them. Vlad is my friend. He likes
me. He really, really likes me..."
9.) Ted wants to close 5 Big Government agencies.
Donald
wants to close 5 big city newspapers who said mean, mean things about
him. nasty things. mean and nasty things. And only Donald is allowed to
do that.
8.) Ted shut down the government behemoth for half a month.
Donald propped up the Governing Class for half his life.
7.) Ted sees us building houses for widows on the weekend.
Donald seizes buildings and houses from widows and the weakened.
.
6.) Ted thinks this Clinton Foundation "donation" business should be investigated.
Donald thinks his Clinton Foundation donations are business investments.
5.) Ted won landmark conservative victories while appearing before the Supreme Court nine times.
Donald lost landmark casinos while appearing before bankruptcy courts four times.
4.) Ted was called "off the charts brilliant" by his Harvard University law professor Alan Dershowitz.
Donald will be called to testify in his Trump University fraud trial during the Republican Convention.
3.) Ted wants to return your tax money to you.
Donald wants to keep his tax returns secret from you.
2.) Ted is for changing the rules so that ordinary citizens win for a change--it's only right.
Donald is for changing the rules so that he automatically wins without 1237 delegates--or it's only riots.
And the Number One Difference between Ted "the Constitution Man" Cruz and Donald "the Con Man" Trump:
1.) Ted thinks Megalomania is a pro wrestling event.
Donald thinks it's a lifestyle. And all about him.
Of
course, the greatest Difference of All is this: Ted Cruz will be the
next President of the United States while Donald Trump is still lounging in Palm Beach, wearing
his own Mexican-made suits and and Chinese ties, while being served Pepto-Bismal mimosas by his
imported foreign workers.
(bonus alternate Difference
Ted towers high above Donald, beating Hillary in all the polls.
Donald hires illegal Poles to build his towers while Hillary beats him easily.
A Vote for Donald is a Vote For Hillary, But a Vote for Ted is a Vote for Victory!
Mix and match--share freely!
Posted by: The Gipper at March 21, 2016 05:58 PM (BfPSD)
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The GOP will look just like it looks today.
Lickspittle, whining little grifters caving into every Donk initiative, if only they get their fair share of the graft.
They will be rosining up their violin bows, right next to Hillary, and watching the nation smolder and burn.
Do not worry, the establishment will do just fine. You and I, Not So Much.
Lickspittle, whining little grifters caving into every Donk initiative, if only they get their fair share of the graft.
They will be rosining up their violin bows, right next to Hillary, and watching the nation smolder and burn.
Do not worry, the establishment will do just fine. You and I, Not So Much.
Posted by: rd at March 21, 2016 05:58 PM (v0YLX)
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Tom Coburn is already offering.
Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 05:55 PM (MCmqp)
Offering Jeb?
Tom Coburn is already offering.
Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 05:55 PM (MCmqp)
Offering Jeb?
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at March 21, 2016 05:58 PM (dH97I)
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The uniparty wing of the GOP needs to die. They had the power and looking at a lifelong Dem and friend of the Clintons talking about running for Pres. they invited him to join the race for the R nomination WHY? I think because they wanted Trump to split off votes from Cruz or another *tea party, non establishment WS favorite candidate. They certainly thought Jeb would coast to the nomination with that set up or failing him the handsome, talks such purdy conservative ideas but has voted with our uniparty Rubio would get in.
*IF they allow or suggest Rubio and Kasich delegates to switch to Cruz rather than trying some BS 'we need a neutral person to heal divisions' if Trump has more delegates but is not over 50% they will expect Trump supporters will vote 3rd party or something and they'll crow that "see, Goldwater all over again, you need to let us pick a moderate person"
I don't like Trump but that feeling is overwhelmed by the disgust I have for the GOP leadership.
*IF they allow or suggest Rubio and Kasich delegates to switch to Cruz rather than trying some BS 'we need a neutral person to heal divisions' if Trump has more delegates but is not over 50% they will expect Trump supporters will vote 3rd party or something and they'll crow that "see, Goldwater all over again, you need to let us pick a moderate person"
I don't like Trump but that feeling is overwhelmed by the disgust I have for the GOP leadership.
Posted by: Palerider at March 21, 2016 05:58 PM (dkExz)
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As much as I don't support Trump, we have to leave room for wounds to heal after the Trump movement passes through the large intestine.
Posted by: TexasDan at March 21, 2016 05:57 PM (pllgW)
I think I agree with you...some analogy there. LMAO
Posted by: TexasDan at March 21, 2016 05:57 PM (pllgW)
I think I agree with you...some analogy there. LMAO
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 05:58 PM (mw8Dm)
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I'm told no TelePrompTer for that speech..
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at March 21, 2016 05:58 PM (16TRA)
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And dorks wanted him ... attacked by Megyn Kelly. LOL
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 21, 2016 05:54 PM
A man's got to ... know his limitations.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 21, 2016 05:54 PM
A man's got to ... know his limitations.
Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose at March 21, 2016 05:58 PM (ml1PM)
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Hillary is a total disaster
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It's like she's auditioning for world's worst ex-wife in every speech.
Hillary is a total disaster
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It's like she's auditioning for world's worst ex-wife in every speech.
Posted by: wth at March 21, 2016 05:59 PM (HgMAr)
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I'm learning. So I have someone write speeches and I read them? Whoa tough. I got this. Because its all bullshit...Obamas bullshit. The UN is bullshit. Hillary's bullshit...and I can do bullshit
Posted by: Trumpnado at March 21, 2016 05:59 PM (gxIP7)
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I think Hillary is a rotten enough candidate with enough legal baggage that Cruz could beat her if he got the nomination. The more I see of the polling state by state, the less optimistic I am that Trump can win against even Hillary let alone someone who got parachuted in if she were indicted.
Regardless, it's not just the Presidency and the Supreme Court seat. If we had a disastrous presidential campaign it could tank the Senate and possibly even the House. Much as conservatives feel betrayed by the Senate and House leadership, it would be worse to have Hillary in the White House and Dems running Congress. Obama has shown them how to get away with breaking laws as long as you're in power. Hillary will eagerly follow that model with a compliant new SC pick.
I sent a check to Cruz last week. Let's see how things go on Tuesday (fingers crossed!) and beyond.
Regardless, it's not just the Presidency and the Supreme Court seat. If we had a disastrous presidential campaign it could tank the Senate and possibly even the House. Much as conservatives feel betrayed by the Senate and House leadership, it would be worse to have Hillary in the White House and Dems running Congress. Obama has shown them how to get away with breaking laws as long as you're in power. Hillary will eagerly follow that model with a compliant new SC pick.
I sent a check to Cruz last week. Let's see how things go on Tuesday (fingers crossed!) and beyond.
Posted by: Jill v2 at March 21, 2016 05:59 PM (1+uyO)
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Blacklisting......you mean like the Oscars?
Posted by: MrKnowItAll at March 21, 2016 05:59 PM (egzLR)
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>>>>There is only one good outcome as I see it. Cruz gets nominated with Trump's full support. Cruz goes onto win. Cruz repeals Obamacare. Cruz appoints three justices more conservative than Bork himself. And Cruz eliminates the IRS.
Those lucky bastards in the Bearenstein Universe have it made.
Wish they'd take me back.
Those lucky bastards in the Bearenstein Universe have it made.
Wish they'd take me back.
Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 05:59 PM (MCmqp)
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>>I didn't think the burning times would be this stupid.
As in 13 year old mean girl petty head games stupid.
As in 13 year old mean girl petty head games stupid.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2016 05:59 PM (NOIQH)
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Second - there's an article out today that reminds us all that at this point in the '80 campaign - Ronald Reagan was 15 points behind Carter and everyone said he couldn't win.
He won in a landslide.
Don't know why Ace is buying into the line that Trump can't win. He'll slam dunk Killary unless the GOP elite sabotage him - with help from Eric Erickson et al.
Posted by: Thor at March 21, 2016 05:48 PM (sa6+
While I respect your mighty "hammer," Dan McLaughlin had a solid article today that the "Reagan was behind" argument doesn't work for Trump.
http://tinyurl.com/jpmg5uo
He won in a landslide.
Don't know why Ace is buying into the line that Trump can't win. He'll slam dunk Killary unless the GOP elite sabotage him - with help from Eric Erickson et al.
Posted by: Thor at March 21, 2016 05:48 PM (sa6+
While I respect your mighty "hammer," Dan McLaughlin had a solid article today that the "Reagan was behind" argument doesn't work for Trump.
http://tinyurl.com/jpmg5uo
Posted by: duke at March 21, 2016 05:59 PM (EQNFN)
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That's my ideal situation as well, but if Cruz can't win the nomination, I'll take Trump. To hell with the idea that we declare defeat in March.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 21, 2016 05:58 PM (Qvgg/)
+1
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 21, 2016 05:58 PM (Qvgg/)
+1
Posted by: jwb7605 at March 21, 2016 05:59 PM (DofIg)
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I think every last voter in November is going to be gravely disappointed, whether their chosen candidate wins or not.
So, SMOD!
So, SMOD!
Posted by: Miley's Tongue dba Ylva of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy at March 21, 2016 05:59 PM (bIGOo)
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"and when he loses catastrophically the same as all the polls are telling you he will"
Sorry..still just too early to buy into the polls when there is still a 3-way primary going on.
But lets run with it then. Those same polls show Kasich is hands down the winner when it comes to beating Hillary. So why not rally behind him if that is the only point that matters?
Aside from the polls, there still hasn't been anyone who has provided any sort of legit argument as to how Cruz or Kasich expands the electoral map from Romney's 2012 run. There's alot more to it than a few early polls.
Sorry..still just too early to buy into the polls when there is still a 3-way primary going on.
But lets run with it then. Those same polls show Kasich is hands down the winner when it comes to beating Hillary. So why not rally behind him if that is the only point that matters?
Aside from the polls, there still hasn't been anyone who has provided any sort of legit argument as to how Cruz or Kasich expands the electoral map from Romney's 2012 run. There's alot more to it than a few early polls.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 21, 2016 06:00 PM (WnCSK)
Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 06:00 PM (HA9zO)
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The idea of blacklisting people who support a candidate the establishment does not like is not a new idea at all, it's how politics is run in most ever third world country. Is that what they want for America?
Posted by: IC at March 21, 2016 05:45 PM (a0IVu)
It's already that way in large cities run by Democrats. You had best be a registered Democrat or hope that your employer never finds out that you are not. One of the 'Ettes posted on here that her boss remarked to her that had she known she was a Republican before she found out what a good employee she was, she wouldn't have gotten the job. In cities like Chicago where getting folks registered as Dims it is a blood sport designed to give the machine a vote to corrupt after you move or die.
But, hey, let's sit here with our panties twisted wringing our hands over Trump's boorishness while a corrupt treasonous plutocrat rides her vajayjay into power. I, for one, have no clue how bad Trump would be as POTUS, but, I DO KNOW EXACTLY HOW BAD HILLARY WILL BE!
Sheesh people in my lifetime, I have seen the following simply horrible Dim Presidents:
Carter
BJ Clinton
Obama
and I just can't make my self believe that Trump on his worst day is worse than anyone of those three on their very best day.
Posted by: IC at March 21, 2016 05:45 PM (a0IVu)
It's already that way in large cities run by Democrats. You had best be a registered Democrat or hope that your employer never finds out that you are not. One of the 'Ettes posted on here that her boss remarked to her that had she known she was a Republican before she found out what a good employee she was, she wouldn't have gotten the job. In cities like Chicago where getting folks registered as Dims it is a blood sport designed to give the machine a vote to corrupt after you move or die.
But, hey, let's sit here with our panties twisted wringing our hands over Trump's boorishness while a corrupt treasonous plutocrat rides her vajayjay into power. I, for one, have no clue how bad Trump would be as POTUS, but, I DO KNOW EXACTLY HOW BAD HILLARY WILL BE!
Sheesh people in my lifetime, I have seen the following simply horrible Dim Presidents:
Carter
BJ Clinton
Obama
and I just can't make my self believe that Trump on his worst day is worse than anyone of those three on their very best day.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at March 21, 2016 06:00 PM (kXoT0)
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I'm flipping back and forth between CNN, Fox, and MSNBC and all I see is people with shit in their britches poo-poo Trump's speech with the most idiotic criticisms.
I'm flipping back and forth between CNN, Fox, and MSNBC and all I see is people with shit in their britches poo-poo Trump's speech with the most idiotic criticisms.
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 21, 2016 06:00 PM (o2321)
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> Brick-shitting is commencing at msnbc and cnn and fox.
This is amazingly beautiful to behold.
Saturday you have leftist agitators engaged in an act of domestic terrorism while waiving Mexican flags to stop a Trump rally. Then today we learn the Mexican consulate is going to try and help Mexicans become citizens so they can vote. And we learn that CA is auto-registering illegal aliens to vote with their drivers license.
Yesterday Trump announces that, in advance, he's putting out a list of justice picks that would give Scalia a hard on.
Today he announces a noninterventionist foreign policy that would make Ron Paul orgasm.
And now rather than getting hammered by Fox News pundits he appears at AIPAC and gives a speech that even Chuck Schumer must give a standing ovation to.
What the hell is wrong with Trump again? He's RUNNING CIRCLES around fucking everybody!
This is amazingly beautiful to behold.
Saturday you have leftist agitators engaged in an act of domestic terrorism while waiving Mexican flags to stop a Trump rally. Then today we learn the Mexican consulate is going to try and help Mexicans become citizens so they can vote. And we learn that CA is auto-registering illegal aliens to vote with their drivers license.
Yesterday Trump announces that, in advance, he's putting out a list of justice picks that would give Scalia a hard on.
Today he announces a noninterventionist foreign policy that would make Ron Paul orgasm.
And now rather than getting hammered by Fox News pundits he appears at AIPAC and gives a speech that even Chuck Schumer must give a standing ovation to.
What the hell is wrong with Trump again? He's RUNNING CIRCLES around fucking everybody!
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Posted by: ace at March 21, 2016 05:53 PM (dciA+)
THIS.
Of course, the answer will be, "Who cares about polls! Polls don't matter anymore! This election is completely different"... while ignoring the fact that Trump consistently underperforms vs. his poll numbers.
THIS.
Of course, the answer will be, "Who cares about polls! Polls don't matter anymore! This election is completely different"... while ignoring the fact that Trump consistently underperforms vs. his poll numbers.
Posted by: Damiano at March 21, 2016 06:00 PM (XItbt)
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And who is that?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 21, 2016 05:53 PM (8ZskC)
Marx, Mao, Ayers, Sorons - any commie with a bone to pick.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at March 21, 2016 05:57 PM (dH97I)
Your tinfoil hat is on crooked.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 21, 2016 05:53 PM (8ZskC)
Marx, Mao, Ayers, Sorons - any commie with a bone to pick.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at March 21, 2016 05:57 PM (dH97I)
Your tinfoil hat is on crooked.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 21, 2016 06:00 PM (8ZskC)
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>>>125
Tom Coburn is already offering.
Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 05:55 PM (MCmqp)
Offering Jeb?
To run third party against Trump and Hillary.
Tom Coburn is already offering.
Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 05:55 PM (MCmqp)
Offering Jeb?
To run third party against Trump and Hillary.
Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 06:00 PM (MCmqp)
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Sure fight against Trump in this nomination fight as hard as your want, but understand he may very well be our nominee, and do or say anything irrevocable that could fatally hurt him against hillary and your do that at your own risk. As I said you make a rational argument, although I feel the polls this early and in this race are less reliable than most years. And bottom line, IF he is the nominee, I will make the most of that situation I am presented with, and will not do or say anything today that will knee cap me in November. But hey that's just me
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Trump may be the nominee - though right now I'd still be the under. If he is, I will not vote for him. But I certainly won't advocate voting for Hillary. And I probably won't advocate for not voting for him - unless he just does something that is beyond the pale.
I wonder if Trump will be able to attract enough new voters to make up for voters like me. Any other year, I might have my doubts. But if Hillary is the other nominee, then all bets are off.
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Trump may be the nominee - though right now I'd still be the under. If he is, I will not vote for him. But I certainly won't advocate voting for Hillary. And I probably won't advocate for not voting for him - unless he just does something that is beyond the pale.
I wonder if Trump will be able to attract enough new voters to make up for voters like me. Any other year, I might have my doubts. But if Hillary is the other nominee, then all bets are off.
Posted by: SH at March 21, 2016 06:00 PM (gmeXX)
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Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 06:00 PM (HA9zO)
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>>>Sure fight against Trump in this nomination fight as hard as your want, but understand he may very well be our nominee, and do or say anything irrevocable that could fatally hurt him against hillary and your do that at your own risk.
I assume you mean "at my own political risk."
I will continue saying what I've been saying. If you don't think that hillary and her million surrogates will be saying this, you're as crazy as Princess Tiny-Paws over there.
The idea that we should censor ourselves because that's helpful to "The Cause" whatever that is anymore is as bad as blacklisting people.
I assume you mean "at my own political risk."
I will continue saying what I've been saying. If you don't think that hillary and her million surrogates will be saying this, you're as crazy as Princess Tiny-Paws over there.
The idea that we should censor ourselves because that's helpful to "The Cause" whatever that is anymore is as bad as blacklisting people.
Posted by: ace at March 21, 2016 06:00 PM (dciA+)
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Erick Erickson coming up on Lou Dobbs FBN.
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or even minor bloggers like me.
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Humble happy-hour Ace is unbecoming, hell you have awards and shit, and so far immunity on the hobo-hunting thing.
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Humble happy-hour Ace is unbecoming, hell you have awards and shit, and so far immunity on the hobo-hunting thing.
Posted by: BunkerinTheBurbs at March 21, 2016 06:00 PM (bA+CL)
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Ass-chiggers?
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I didn't watch the speech, but it sounded terrific judging by the comments. I'll have to check it out at some point.
I've believed all along that Trump is the only GOP candidate who might--might--win by a landslide. I know the current polls say otherwise, so maybe it's wishcasting on my part, but I feel pretty strongly about it.
Any GOP nominee is going to be smeared as a racist, sexist, and Nazi by the media, after all. Trump is the only one who's liable to tell them to go fuck themselves, perhaps in so many words.
I've believed all along that Trump is the only GOP candidate who might--might--win by a landslide. I know the current polls say otherwise, so maybe it's wishcasting on my part, but I feel pretty strongly about it.
Any GOP nominee is going to be smeared as a racist, sexist, and Nazi by the media, after all. Trump is the only one who's liable to tell them to go fuck themselves, perhaps in so many words.
Posted by: rickl at March 21, 2016 06:00 PM (sdi6R)
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How is it that everyone who is anti-Trump, which is mainly the RNCe thinks that Trump is a sure loser. He is winning actual voted primaries right and left. Sure the party bosses wanted Jebbi the Hutt and now RINO Rubio. Now those two were damn sure losers.
I am not a Trump fan though, mainly because like you Ace I do not trust him. Anyone who switched parties 5 times can not be trusted.
But right now none of the current crop can be trusted either. The current darling of conservatives is Cruz but he has his black marks as well. And the rest of them shouldn't even be in the race.
What the RNCe should be doing is getting veryone but Trump and Cruz out of the race and then let the voters chose.
And then the RNCe needs to live with that if they want to continue being a Party. And Ace, I hope you haven't missed that story that the party bosses are trying to pack the delegates from States Trump won with trojan horse candidates who will vote against Trump at the convention so they can steal the nomination.
In short, the RNCe is doing everything they can do to become a new version of the Whigs. That will guarantee another Dem in the WH even if the unindicted felon Scankles goes to jail.
I am not a Trump fan though, mainly because like you Ace I do not trust him. Anyone who switched parties 5 times can not be trusted.
But right now none of the current crop can be trusted either. The current darling of conservatives is Cruz but he has his black marks as well. And the rest of them shouldn't even be in the race.
What the RNCe should be doing is getting veryone but Trump and Cruz out of the race and then let the voters chose.
And then the RNCe needs to live with that if they want to continue being a Party. And Ace, I hope you haven't missed that story that the party bosses are trying to pack the delegates from States Trump won with trojan horse candidates who will vote against Trump at the convention so they can steal the nomination.
In short, the RNCe is doing everything they can do to become a new version of the Whigs. That will guarantee another Dem in the WH even if the unindicted felon Scankles goes to jail.
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>>>I wonder if Trump will be able to attract enough new voters to make up for voters like me.
no.
no.
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It amazes me how many so-called conservative republicans are opposed to the idea of playing by the rules.
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Posted by: The Gipper at March 21, 2016 05:58 PM (BfPSD)
Wooooow. Just get your computer today? Thanks for the content at least. Where'd you steal it from?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Resource_Locator
Wooooow. Just get your computer today? Thanks for the content at least. Where'd you steal it from?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Resource_Locator
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at March 21, 2016 06:01 PM (dH97I)
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He gave a good AIPAC speech? Good for him; I actually like his newly minted foreign policy advisors or team or whatever they call it. Why didn't Krauhammer like the speech?
Posted by: IC at March 21, 2016 06:01 PM (a0IVu)
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I've come to the conclusion that the only way to save the rightward end of the political spectrum from shattering into two, or even three, different factions is to rebuild under one unifying rubric, Smaller Government.
That's it. That's the central and only question that should be a litmus test for inclusion into our club. Do you want government smaller? If the answer is yes, then I don't care where you shake out on gay marriage, abortion, drug legalization, corporate taxes, student loans, the environment, etc.
Now, I realize that some of those issues I listed will be directly impacted by our principle of limiting government power, but those can be hashed out by Republicans in the local municipalities, counties, and states. The national Republican Party should only have one plank, Smaller Government. Period. If that's the Umbrella, I'm quite certain that a large majority of Americans could comfortably fit under it.
That's it. That's the central and only question that should be a litmus test for inclusion into our club. Do you want government smaller? If the answer is yes, then I don't care where you shake out on gay marriage, abortion, drug legalization, corporate taxes, student loans, the environment, etc.
Now, I realize that some of those issues I listed will be directly impacted by our principle of limiting government power, but those can be hashed out by Republicans in the local municipalities, counties, and states. The national Republican Party should only have one plank, Smaller Government. Period. If that's the Umbrella, I'm quite certain that a large majority of Americans could comfortably fit under it.
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Trump uses your fears and plays them up in his favor.
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I will say my favorite thing this week has been sharing old articles about the Baltimore and Ferguson riots with lefties and reminding them, in the context of Trump rallies, that said riots were referred to as "mostly peaceful."
So long as the world's burning down, I can still play with fire. It's fun.
So long as the world's burning down, I can still play with fire. It's fun.
Posted by: shillelagh at March 21, 2016 06:01 PM (L3vVL)
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sure. all the polls are wrong. they're all faked by people who don't like Trump.
let's proceed to the inevitable next step: Claiming that Trump *could have won* had he not been stabbed in the back by Charles Krauthammer or even minor bloggers like me.
You know Ace, I do remember 1980. A lot younger then, just a teenybopper, but I remember it. And the polls this far out back then had Jimmuh Carturd winning, "because Reagan was a trigger happy cowboy and a closet Klansman to boot."
Sometimes the chattering classes (who make the polls, never forget that) are just too insulated.
I am sensing another one of those times, and I am a super hard core pessimist normally.
let's proceed to the inevitable next step: Claiming that Trump *could have won* had he not been stabbed in the back by Charles Krauthammer or even minor bloggers like me.
You know Ace, I do remember 1980. A lot younger then, just a teenybopper, but I remember it. And the polls this far out back then had Jimmuh Carturd winning, "because Reagan was a trigger happy cowboy and a closet Klansman to boot."
Sometimes the chattering classes (who make the polls, never forget that) are just too insulated.
I am sensing another one of those times, and I am a super hard core pessimist normally.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 21, 2016 06:01 PM (ujg0T)
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From inside the re-education camps?
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Posted by: donna at March 21, 2016 05:56 PM (/dSsq)
I'd laugh if I didn't at least half-believe that was true. If you visit some of the more extreme leftwing sites, you'll find a depth of hatred and animosity and spite that'll shake you a little.
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Posted by: donna at March 21, 2016 05:56 PM (/dSsq)
I'd laugh if I didn't at least half-believe that was true. If you visit some of the more extreme leftwing sites, you'll find a depth of hatred and animosity and spite that'll shake you a little.
Posted by: troyriser at March 21, 2016 06:01 PM (Au69S)
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A Vote for Donald is a Vote For Hillary, But a Vote for Ted is a Vote for Victory!
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Not until he ends his bromance with Glenn Beck.
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Not until he ends his bromance with Glenn Beck.
Posted by: Burn It Down at March 21, 2016 06:01 PM (SWIMe)
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. . . and as the day ends at Peyton Place we're left with this unanswered, burning question:
Who IS the SMOD ??? And when will he/she arrive?
Who IS the SMOD ??? And when will he/she arrive?
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>>>And then the RNCe needs to live with that if they want to continue being a Party. And Ace, I hope you haven't missed that story that the party bosses are trying to pack the delegates from States Trump won with trojan horse candidates who will vote against Trump at the convention so they can steal the nomination.
I approve.
I hate to side with the establishment on this but Trump is a bona-fide disaster. Desperate times.
I approve.
I hate to side with the establishment on this but Trump is a bona-fide disaster. Desperate times.
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I am puzzled, ace, by you and many others who say they worry about Trump and the Bomb. Sure Trump is what he is, without going into all that, but I don't think there's any risk of casual or spontaneous use of nukes (or anything else like that) with his hair-weasel in the Oval.
Twenty years ago, this might have been a more understandable concern. But now? We are now in year 7 of a completely unfit and alien freak in the Oval, and moreover, an administration packed with idiots and lightweights and freaks in key positions.
Real, actual foreign policy disasters have occurred the last several years, whose dimensions and cost will only be known over time. Trump as president with even a mediocre nat. security team - say, only 50% more fit and competent than Bill Clinton's parade of sub-mediocrities - would represent a huge (yuuuuuge) improvement over the last 8 years. During which the possibility of a nuking remained as remote as it has really been, since forever (including the Cuban Missile Crisis, at least according to the inside accounts from both side).
Twenty years ago, this might have been a more understandable concern. But now? We are now in year 7 of a completely unfit and alien freak in the Oval, and moreover, an administration packed with idiots and lightweights and freaks in key positions.
Real, actual foreign policy disasters have occurred the last several years, whose dimensions and cost will only be known over time. Trump as president with even a mediocre nat. security team - say, only 50% more fit and competent than Bill Clinton's parade of sub-mediocrities - would represent a huge (yuuuuuge) improvement over the last 8 years. During which the possibility of a nuking remained as remote as it has really been, since forever (including the Cuban Missile Crisis, at least according to the inside accounts from both side).
Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2016 06:02 PM (QDnY+)
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Posted by: Trumpnado at March 21, 2016 06:00 PM (gxIP7)
\I didn't do this! its the disrupters!
Posted by: Trumpnado at March 21, 2016 06:00 PM (gxIP7)
\I didn't do this! its the disrupters!
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Very smart Ted Cruz telling the Purim story of Ester and Haman
Posted by: ThunderB at March 21, 2016 06:02 PM (zOTsN)
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Cruz in his wheelhouse here.
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Trump may be the nominee - though right now I'd still be the under. If he is, I will not vote for him. But I certainly won't advocate voting for Hillary.
Why not just vote for Hillary then? Why the half-measures?
Why not just vote for Hillary then? Why the half-measures?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 21, 2016 06:02 PM (8ZskC)
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To run third party against Trump and Hillary.
Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 06:00 PM (MCmqp)
Jesus. These old farts are delusional.
To run third party against Trump and Hillary.
Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 06:00 PM (MCmqp)
Jesus. These old farts are delusional.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at March 21, 2016 06:02 PM (dH97I)
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Cruz is bringing it.
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Do we want to be the party of openness to ideas, and a tolerant party...
Yes. Yes we do.
And the first step is to call Trump a nut and talk about third party bids.
Because nothing says "big tent" better than calling the guy the most people have voted for a disaster.
Except, maybe, threatening a third party bid.
Do we want to be the party of openness to ideas, and a tolerant party...
Yes. Yes we do.
And the first step is to call Trump a nut and talk about third party bids.
Because nothing says "big tent" better than calling the guy the most people have voted for a disaster.
Except, maybe, threatening a third party bid.
Posted by: Ed Anger at March 21, 2016 06:03 PM (RcpcZ)
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>>>You know Ace, I do remember 1980. A lot younger then, just a teenybopper, but I remember it. And the polls this far out back then had Jimmuh Carturd winning, "because Reagan was a trigger happy cowboy and a closet Klansman to boot."
Sometimes the chattering classes (who make the polls, never forget that) are just too insulated.
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the beauty of a poll is that they ask tons of people a question that you ordinarily only get to ask of people in your immediate social orbit.
Sometimes the chattering classes (who make the polls, never forget that) are just too insulated.
...
the beauty of a poll is that they ask tons of people a question that you ordinarily only get to ask of people in your immediate social orbit.
Posted by: ace at March 21, 2016 06:03 PM (dciA+)
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Cruz now speaking at AIPAC. Scattered applause.
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"Knowing that you're going to lose, and that therefore there are no
nagging pragmatic reasons to compromise yourself, is very freeing."
Actually, yeah. I know conservatism is going to lose among the two major party candidates (assuming it's Trump and Hillary), so I have no qualms about supporting a third party candidate who actually does display some conservative tendencies, or at the very least, some conservative-ish libertarian tendencies.
nagging pragmatic reasons to compromise yourself, is very freeing."
Actually, yeah. I know conservatism is going to lose among the two major party candidates (assuming it's Trump and Hillary), so I have no qualms about supporting a third party candidate who actually does display some conservative tendencies, or at the very least, some conservative-ish libertarian tendencies.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:03 PM (+Fl7e)
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Ben Shapiro's panties are in knots. Him and his butt boys are repeatedly making jokes about Trump being able to read. I mean seriously? The guy has a MBA and you think he cant read and that is funny????
Ben Shapiro's panties are in knots. Him and his butt boys are repeatedly making jokes about Trump being able to read. I mean seriously? The guy has a MBA and you think he cant read and that is funny????
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 21, 2016 06:03 PM (iQIUe)
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>> And we learn that CA is auto-registering illegal aliens to vote with their drivers license.
Huh. Didn't see that coming. Not at all.
Huh. Didn't see that coming. Not at all.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2016 06:03 PM (NOIQH)
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>>>
And the first step is to call Trump a nut and talk about third party bids.
Because nothing says "big tent" better than calling the guy the most people have voted for a disaster.
Except, maybe, threatening a third party bid.
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oh right i have to censor myself or something
whatever.
And the first step is to call Trump a nut and talk about third party bids.
Because nothing says "big tent" better than calling the guy the most people have voted for a disaster.
Except, maybe, threatening a third party bid.
...
oh right i have to censor myself or something
whatever.
Posted by: ace at March 21, 2016 06:03 PM (dciA+)
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Fuck the GOP. The same assholes who said we can't fight Obama are fighting Trump with all they have. Oh yeah how's that repeal Obamacare Part 73 bill going?
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 21, 2016 06:03 PM (q9Lxc)
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Ace, it depends on what you mean by us being " a tolerant party" while losing. Really examining individually what we as individuals will tolerate as allies and confederates is essential. Tolerating just anything in order to get a W, yeah, no. I realize I am probably not making myself clear, and I apologize for that.
I am in process right now in rethinking the value of ANY formal affiliations, whether political or cultural.
I am in process right now in rethinking the value of ANY formal affiliations, whether political or cultural.
Posted by: kraken at March 21, 2016 06:03 PM (sdxPm)
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 21, 2016 06:03 PM (o2321)
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I don't like Trump personally but became a FanBoy several months ago after my early picks flamed out. I grew up with NYC tabloids and so have long known Trump to be an extremely gauche egotistical self promoter in a town filled with gauche egotistical self promoters. I used to actually dislike this guy based on reputation.
What's changed is that I now believe that Trump is driven more by patriotism than ego. He really does wants to fix things. YMMV.
His politics are those of the bridge and tunnel crowd of NYC, which are mine. Nationalistic, conservative depending how you define it, some of us religious some not, but tolerant always, and socially libertarian.
What changed my mind months ago is when I saw how Trump can play modern media in the political arena. He's a prodigy. This is critical right now. Just win, baby! No other candidate can expand the electoral map the way that Trump can.
So he's our best Hillary killer.
Now how he does in office were he to win is a big question mark, granted, but he's got more upside than any of the alternatives, Cruz included.
What's changed is that I now believe that Trump is driven more by patriotism than ego. He really does wants to fix things. YMMV.
His politics are those of the bridge and tunnel crowd of NYC, which are mine. Nationalistic, conservative depending how you define it, some of us religious some not, but tolerant always, and socially libertarian.
What changed my mind months ago is when I saw how Trump can play modern media in the political arena. He's a prodigy. This is critical right now. Just win, baby! No other candidate can expand the electoral map the way that Trump can.
So he's our best Hillary killer.
Now how he does in office were he to win is a big question mark, granted, but he's got more upside than any of the alternatives, Cruz included.
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 21, 2016 06:04 PM (r1fLd)
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I am just wondering where all the Bernie supporters are going to go once their guy is out. Some of them hate Hillary as much as the conservatives do.
Posted by: IC at March 21, 2016 06:04 PM (a0IVu)
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They say bat shit crazy......like it's a bad thing.....most fun I've had in years
Posted by: MrKnowItAll at March 21, 2016 06:04 PM (egzLR)
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the beauty of a poll is that they ask tons of people a question that you ordinarily only get to ask of people in your immediate social orbit.
And polls are only media propaganda until they support your narrative.
And polls are only media propaganda until they support your narrative.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 21, 2016 06:04 PM (8ZskC)
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Sure fight against Trump in this nomination fight as hard as your want, but understand he may very well be our nominee, and do or say anything irrevocable that could fatally hurt him against hillary and your do that at your own risk.
If there is something that could be said that would irrevocably and fatal hurt Trump against Hillary, it will be said. If words and argument could have stopped up to this point, he would have been stopped.
If there is something that could be said that would irrevocably and fatal hurt Trump against Hillary, it will be said. If words and argument could have stopped up to this point, he would have been stopped.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 21, 2016 06:04 PM (rwI+c)
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170 I am puzzled, ace, by you and many others who say they worry about Trump and the Bomb.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2016 06:02 PM (QDnY+)
It's ok - it's just ace clickbait propaganda mode minus a candidate whose garbage he can joke about molesting. It's the flip side of the manic phase. It'll be all right.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2016 06:02 PM (QDnY+)
It's ok - it's just ace clickbait propaganda mode minus a candidate whose garbage he can joke about molesting. It's the flip side of the manic phase. It'll be all right.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at March 21, 2016 06:04 PM (dH97I)
Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 06:04 PM (HA9zO)
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people aren't going to notice that it's weird to still be talking about your hand-size and megyn kelly, if I don't mention it myself
if I just keep quiet about this, no one else will notice
because i guess people are stupid
if I just keep quiet about this, no one else will notice
because i guess people are stupid
Posted by: ace at March 21, 2016 06:05 PM (dciA+)
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God he is so smart
Posted by: ThunderB at March 21, 2016 06:05 PM (zOTsN)
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Here's the thing about Trump: sure, the AIPAC crowd is loving his words today, but who's really going to surprised when next week he goes into a tirade about the "Joo-controlled media that's out to get him?"
Posted by: Country Singer at March 21, 2016 06:05 PM (GUBah)
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166 From inside the re-education camps?
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Posted by: donna at March 21, 2016 05:56 PM (/dSsq)
I'd laugh if I didn't at least half-believe that was true. If you visit some of the more extreme leftwing sites, you'll find a depth of hatred and animosity and spite that'll shake you a little.
Posted by: troyriser at March 21, 2016 06:01 PM (Au69S)
I have a deep, solid conviction in me. It resides in that place that stirs when The Star Spangled Banner plays, or when a town throws a homecoming parade for soldiers, or god forbid a funeral procession for a beloved LEO. That conviction is that there is exactly 0% chance I will ever be in a relocation camp.
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Posted by: donna at March 21, 2016 05:56 PM (/dSsq)
I'd laugh if I didn't at least half-believe that was true. If you visit some of the more extreme leftwing sites, you'll find a depth of hatred and animosity and spite that'll shake you a little.
Posted by: troyriser at March 21, 2016 06:01 PM (Au69S)
I have a deep, solid conviction in me. It resides in that place that stirs when The Star Spangled Banner plays, or when a town throws a homecoming parade for soldiers, or god forbid a funeral procession for a beloved LEO. That conviction is that there is exactly 0% chance I will ever be in a relocation camp.
Posted by: shillelagh at March 21, 2016 06:05 PM (L3vVL)
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the beauty of a poll is that they ask tons of people a question that you ordinarily only get to ask of people in your immediate social orbit.
Yes and THEY never push poll either. Oh wait...
the beauty of a poll is that they ask tons of people a question that you ordinarily only get to ask of people in your immediate social orbit.
Yes and THEY never push poll either. Oh wait...
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 21, 2016 06:05 PM (q9Lxc)
Posted by: eleven at March 21, 2016 06:05 PM (qUNWi)
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Of course, the answer will be, "Who cares about polls! Polls don't matter anymore! This election is completely different"... while ignoring the fact that Trump consistently underperforms vs. his poll numbers.
Posted by: Damiano at March 21, 2016 06:00 PM (XItbt)
When he starts leading in the polls I assume you'll be taking a wide stance so that I and many others here can ram them straight up your...nose.
Posted by: Damiano at March 21, 2016 06:00 PM (XItbt)
When he starts leading in the polls I assume you'll be taking a wide stance so that I and many others here can ram them straight up your...nose.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 06:05 PM (ubByS)
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but I don't think there's any risk of casual or spontaneous use of nukes
(or anything else like that) with his hair-weasel in the Oval.
Why not?
I mean, some people here at the HQ have seriously advocated that the US nuke Mecca. Because that would somehow put an end once and for all to the Muslim menace.
What would stop a President Trump from nuking Mecca? His sense of shame?
(or anything else like that) with his hair-weasel in the Oval.
Why not?
I mean, some people here at the HQ have seriously advocated that the US nuke Mecca. Because that would somehow put an end once and for all to the Muslim menace.
What would stop a President Trump from nuking Mecca? His sense of shame?
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:05 PM (+Fl7e)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 21, 2016 06:05 PM (FkBIv)
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 21, 2016 06:05 PM (/jecC)
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188 I am just wondering where all the Bernie supporters are going to go once their guy is out.
I'm thinking, Cuba ?
I'm thinking, Cuba ?
Posted by: Sphynx at March 21, 2016 06:05 PM (OZmbA)
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Here's the thing about Trump: sure, the AIPAC crowd is loving his words today, but who's really going to surprised when next week he goes into a tirade about the "Joo-controlled media that's out to get him?"
Posted by: Country Singer at March 21, 2016 06:05 PM (GUBah)
Good point!
Let's reconvene when that happens.
Posted by: Country Singer at March 21, 2016 06:05 PM (GUBah)
Good point!
Let's reconvene when that happens.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 06:05 PM (ubByS)
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I assume you mean "at my own political risk."
I will continue saying what I've been saying. If you don't think that hillary and her million surrogates will be saying this, you're as crazy as Princess Tiny-Paws over there.
The idea that we should censor ourselves because that's helpful to "The Cause" whatever that is anymore is as bad as blacklisting people.
Posted by: ace at March 21, 2016 06:00 PM (dciA+)
I am not talking about censoring yourself, I do not support trump, I support Cruz, but recognizing there is a decent chance Trump may be the nominee, I will not say or do anything that would fatally hurt him in November because I think the stakes are to high. And of course I mean at your own risk politically..ie by getting hillary elected in november. This road we are headed down, without brakes I might add, we got on a long time ago because of the RINOs in Congress and I am not sure what I can do but make the best of the outcome at this point. BUT make the best of it I intend to do.
I will continue saying what I've been saying. If you don't think that hillary and her million surrogates will be saying this, you're as crazy as Princess Tiny-Paws over there.
The idea that we should censor ourselves because that's helpful to "The Cause" whatever that is anymore is as bad as blacklisting people.
Posted by: ace at March 21, 2016 06:00 PM (dciA+)
I am not talking about censoring yourself, I do not support trump, I support Cruz, but recognizing there is a decent chance Trump may be the nominee, I will not say or do anything that would fatally hurt him in November because I think the stakes are to high. And of course I mean at your own risk politically..ie by getting hillary elected in november. This road we are headed down, without brakes I might add, we got on a long time ago because of the RINOs in Congress and I am not sure what I can do but make the best of the outcome at this point. BUT make the best of it I intend to do.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 06:06 PM (mw8Dm)
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I think Trump is going to be elected and will be a very good President.
He is just what the USA needs right now.
He is just what the USA needs right now.
Posted by: eman at March 21, 2016 06:06 PM (mR7Es)
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"Do we want to be the party of openness to ideas, and a tolerant party,
or do we want to be the mirror image of the Social Justice Warriors,
with a litany of angry dogmas and lengthy Public Shaming Lists?"
i.e. people who comment on-line on WashPo articles.
or do we want to be the mirror image of the Social Justice Warriors,
with a litany of angry dogmas and lengthy Public Shaming Lists?"
i.e. people who comment on-line on WashPo articles.
Posted by: Levin at March 21, 2016 06:06 PM (UPLmD)
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Mix and match--share freely!
Posted by: The Gipper
Nothing gives away Cut-n-Paste campaign attempts at viral advertising quite like spastic spacing.
Mix and match--share freely!
Posted by: The Gipper
Nothing gives away Cut-n-Paste campaign attempts at viral advertising quite like spastic spacing.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 21, 2016 06:06 PM (kdS6q)
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Seriously curious what the path to victory is for a man which has 68% unfavorables, 58% very unfavorables among women, loses every non undereducated white male demo by double digits, 40% of rep voters claim they will never vote for him,even shows unique and bizarre weaknesses in repub strongholds like utah....and before you say new york, he is down double digits there.
Posted by: Bob at March 21, 2016 06:06 PM (Qlwar)
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126 The uniparty wing of the GOP needs to die. They had the power and looking at a lifelong Dem and friend of the Clintons talking about running for Pres. they invited him to join the race for the R nomination WHY? I think because they wanted Trump to split off votes from Cruz or another *tea party, non establishment WS favorite candidate. They certainly thought Jeb would coast to the nomination with that set up or failing him the handsome, talks such purdy conservative ideas but has voted with our uniparty Rubio would get in.
Uh, news flash--the globalist uniparty wants open borders and "Free trade" national sovereignty be damned. They wanted first Jeb, then Marco.
Trump is a loose cannon egomaniac but he is NOT their creation.
Uh, news flash--the globalist uniparty wants open borders and "Free trade" national sovereignty be damned. They wanted first Jeb, then Marco.
Trump is a loose cannon egomaniac but he is NOT their creation.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 21, 2016 06:06 PM (ujg0T)
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Hillary is my fear.
Posted by: eleven at March 21, 2016 06:06 PM (qUNWi)
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204 I still take Trump over Hillary.
Even if he does nuke the world. I don't care.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 21, 2016 06:05 PM
They probably had it coming anyway...
Even if he does nuke the world. I don't care.
Posted by: Tom Servo at March 21, 2016 06:05 PM
They probably had it coming anyway...
Posted by: donna at March 21, 2016 06:06 PM (/dSsq)
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Trump may be the nominee - though right now I'd still be the under. If he is, I will not vote for him. But I certainly won't advocate voting for Hillary.
Why not just vote for Hillary then? Why the half-measures?
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Because I simply do not want to vote for someone who I view is as bad as Hillary and potentially will be worse because they will be doing it under the flag that I have for most of life been a part of.
Given the choice between two evils (which is how I see the choice), I choose to vote for neither.
Why not just vote for Hillary then? Why the half-measures?
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Because I simply do not want to vote for someone who I view is as bad as Hillary and potentially will be worse because they will be doing it under the flag that I have for most of life been a part of.
Given the choice between two evils (which is how I see the choice), I choose to vote for neither.
Posted by: SH at March 21, 2016 06:06 PM (gmeXX)
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What would stop a President Trump from nuking Mecca? His sense of shame?
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:05 PM (+Fl7e)
He doesn't have one, so.
Word.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:05 PM (+Fl7e)
He doesn't have one, so.
Word.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 06:06 PM (ubByS)
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153 Ass-chiggers?
Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2016 06:00 PM (e3bId)
Yep, that's a head-scratcher.
I'm guessing we just ventured into the land of TMI. I'm blissfully holding onto my remaining ignorance.
Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2016 06:00 PM (e3bId)
Yep, that's a head-scratcher.
I'm guessing we just ventured into the land of TMI. I'm blissfully holding onto my remaining ignorance.
Posted by: TexasDan at March 21, 2016 06:06 PM (pllgW)
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Amazing how conservative blogs are ignoring this speech.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 21, 2016 06:06 PM (iQIUe)
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If Conservative Movement v2.0 has Rick Wilson in it, I'm out.
Posted by: Brewdog at March 21, 2016 06:06 PM (F+bI6)
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Remember, GOPe'ers, you can survive for an extended period of time if you drink your own urine to stave off dehydration.
Posted by: The Establishment at March 21, 2016 06:06 PM (+E2Y7)
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if polls meant much, Reagan would have never been, Hillary would be finishing her 2nd term, and Trump wouldn't be winning the nomination. but yeah, polls are infallible and events don't happen.
Posted by: x at March 21, 2016 06:07 PM (nFwvY)
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I am just wondering where all the Bernie supporters are going to go once their guy is out. Some of them hate Hillary as much as the conservatives do
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Many of them would have stayed home even if Bernie won the nomination. Hard to find the voting booth too when your brain is addled with the sweet aroma of weed.
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Many of them would have stayed home even if Bernie won the nomination. Hard to find the voting booth too when your brain is addled with the sweet aroma of weed.
Posted by: Burn It Down at March 21, 2016 06:07 PM (SWIMe)
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>>>I will not say or do anything that would fatally hurt him in November because I think the stakes are to high.
the stakes are low. There is nearly nothing on the line, because Trump's defeat is virtually guaranteed.
the stakes are low. There is nearly nothing on the line, because Trump's defeat is virtually guaranteed.
Posted by: ace at March 21, 2016 06:07 PM (dciA+)
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Smart
Israel uses its missiles to protect its people
Hamas uses people to protect their missiles
Israel uses its missiles to protect its people
Hamas uses people to protect their missiles
Posted by: ThunderB at March 21, 2016 06:07 PM (zOTsN)
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Why didn't Krauhammer like the speech?
Posted by: IC at March 21, 2016 06:01 PM (a0IVu)
Krauthammer is a joke.
Posted by: IC at March 21, 2016 06:01 PM (a0IVu)
Krauthammer is a joke.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at March 21, 2016 06:07 PM (dH97I)
225
Trump may be SMOD......but he's my SMOD
Posted by: MrKnowItAll at March 21, 2016 06:07 PM (egzLR)
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This use of the "we" is troubling. "We" need to win as though winning with a GOPe candidate is anything but losing for the country as we'd trudge through another four years of the same old, same old with nothing to show for it except more debt, another war, and an entrenchment of Barry Obama's transformations.
There is no we anymore. It's over. It's never going back to the way it was, ever. These talking heads seem to think this is a game of tag where if the touch base they're safe. Even if somehow they hoisted Kasich to the top, it won't change anything. In fact, it's only going to make it worse.
What about Trump? Dunno. Not happy that it looks like my choices will be him or the Hellhound Hillary. In that match up I would have to vote Trump or write in someone as Hillary is not supportable in any way, shape, or form.
Anyway I'm still predicting no matter who wins we're going to see riots in the streets. It's the end of the Republic fellow babies and to think we lived to see it (unfortunately)!
There is no we anymore. It's over. It's never going back to the way it was, ever. These talking heads seem to think this is a game of tag where if the touch base they're safe. Even if somehow they hoisted Kasich to the top, it won't change anything. In fact, it's only going to make it worse.
What about Trump? Dunno. Not happy that it looks like my choices will be him or the Hellhound Hillary. In that match up I would have to vote Trump or write in someone as Hillary is not supportable in any way, shape, or form.
Anyway I'm still predicting no matter who wins we're going to see riots in the streets. It's the end of the Republic fellow babies and to think we lived to see it (unfortunately)!
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 21, 2016 06:07 PM (4ErVI)
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Great New Republican Idea: Blacklisting People Who Support Trump
Hardly original. All the "finest" people are doing it, these days.
Hardly original. All the "finest" people are doing it, these days.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 21, 2016 06:07 PM (zc3Db)
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The obvious takeaway from Trump's speech is that he hasn't even begun to really campaign.
It's either going to a lot better for Trump when he does. Or a lot worse. But I'm really looking forward to seeing it all unfold.
The obvious takeaway from Trump's speech is that he hasn't even begun to really campaign.
It's either going to a lot better for Trump when he does. Or a lot worse. But I'm really looking forward to seeing it all unfold.
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 21, 2016 06:07 PM (o2321)
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If those bastards nuke Israel or the US, damn right I want to see Mecca turned into glass.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 21, 2016 06:07 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: ThunderB at March 21, 2016 06:07 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: ace at March 21, 2016 06:08 PM (dciA+)
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why don't we be the party of "open rebellion cause Hillary ain't my goddamn president"
Posted by: bob at March 21, 2016 06:08 PM (Kqg/Q)
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because i guess people are stupid
Yep.
Most people who vote , are not political junkies, college professors or doctors.
They are basing opinion on the latest news cycle. And we need them. It is what it is.
Yep.
Most people who vote , are not political junkies, college professors or doctors.
They are basing opinion on the latest news cycle. And we need them. It is what it is.
Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 06:08 PM (HA9zO)
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I would filter my own urine through a hankie first.
Posted by: eleven at March 21, 2016 06:08 PM (qUNWi)
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I dunno - I think Trump is talking past the media filter in a rather effective way. After his speech the talking heads tried to minimize its impact, but I don't think people are paying attention to the talking heads any more.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at March 21, 2016 06:08 PM (16TRA)
Posted by: ace at March 21, 2016 06:08 PM (dciA+)
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186 -
Immigration fears ( immigration I might call in my top 3 )
That whole speach was anti Muzzy (certainly in my top 5 conserns)
Immigration fears ( immigration I might call in my top 3 )
That whole speach was anti Muzzy (certainly in my top 5 conserns)
Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2016 06:08 PM (fizMZ)
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206 Here's the thing about Trump: sure, the AIPAC crowd is loving his words today, but who's really going to surprised when next week he goes into a tirade about the "Joo-controlled media that's out to get him?"
Posted by: Country Singer at March 21, 2016 06:05 PM (GUBah)
Good point!
Let's reconvene when that happens.
trump has been in the public eye for 30 years. If he was a rabid Joo hater you'd think he would have you know said something anti Semitic. He hasn't though but let's say he is a Joo hater anyway because well just because.
Posted by: Country Singer at March 21, 2016 06:05 PM (GUBah)
Good point!
Let's reconvene when that happens.
trump has been in the public eye for 30 years. If he was a rabid Joo hater you'd think he would have you know said something anti Semitic. He hasn't though but let's say he is a Joo hater anyway because well just because.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 21, 2016 06:08 PM (q9Lxc)
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The idea that we should censor ourselves because that's helpful to "The
Cause" whatever that is anymore is as bad as blacklisting people.
Posted by: ace at March 21, 2016 06:00 PM (dciA+)
Oh, Ace. You should have been in the earlier thread, where people wanted me to deny the existence of the "alt-right" because acknowledging reality somehow helps the left.
Cause" whatever that is anymore is as bad as blacklisting people.
Posted by: ace at March 21, 2016 06:00 PM (dciA+)
Oh, Ace. You should have been in the earlier thread, where people wanted me to deny the existence of the "alt-right" because acknowledging reality somehow helps the left.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:08 PM (+Fl7e)
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 21, 2016 06:08 PM (o2321)
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What would stop a President Trump from nuking Mecca? His sense of shame?
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:05 PM (+Fl7e)
Waste of real estate.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:05 PM (+Fl7e)
Waste of real estate.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at March 21, 2016 06:08 PM (dH97I)
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216 What would stop a President Trump from nuking Mecca? His sense of shame?
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:05 PM (+Fl7e)
I'm "not Trump", but you're starting to make some good arguments.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:05 PM (+Fl7e)
I'm "not Trump", but you're starting to make some good arguments.
Posted by: TexasDan at March 21, 2016 06:08 PM (pllgW)
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 21, 2016 06:08 PM (5GODt)
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vote for neither.
Posted by: SH at March 21, 2016 06:06 PM (gmeXX)
Rationalize it anyway you want, but not voting for the Republican nominee essentially puts hillary in the White House and tilts the Supreme Court to the far Left. Your choice, it's free Country for the time being.
Posted by: SH at March 21, 2016 06:06 PM (gmeXX)
Rationalize it anyway you want, but not voting for the Republican nominee essentially puts hillary in the White House and tilts the Supreme Court to the far Left. Your choice, it's free Country for the time being.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 06:09 PM (mw8Dm)
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If Trump doesn't get the nomination on the first ballot, then he will probably lose to Cruz when all the fighting is over.
Now this definitely results in a fracture of the party and means Cruz loses in the general.
I'm ok with that. I think we are going to lose anyway, either with Trump or with a divided party (those polls aren't wrong, March 21, 2012 polls showed Romney losing to Obama by 4 points, Romney lost to Obama by... wait for it... 4 points).
If we are going to lose, I'd rather it be Cruz losing. If Trump loses, then so does his message and it is open borders from here to eternity.
Now this definitely results in a fracture of the party and means Cruz loses in the general.
I'm ok with that. I think we are going to lose anyway, either with Trump or with a divided party (those polls aren't wrong, March 21, 2012 polls showed Romney losing to Obama by 4 points, Romney lost to Obama by... wait for it... 4 points).
If we are going to lose, I'd rather it be Cruz losing. If Trump loses, then so does his message and it is open borders from here to eternity.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 21, 2016 06:09 PM (kBIIG)
246
What the fing bleep is the "alt-right"?
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at March 21, 2016 06:09 PM (dH97I)
247
Trump uses your fears and plays them up in his favor.
Posted by: Skip
***************
Cruz's whole campaign right now is to portray Trump as Satan himself, only with bad hair.
Posted by: Skip
***************
Cruz's whole campaign right now is to portray Trump as Satan himself, only with bad hair.
Posted by: Burn It Down at March 21, 2016 06:09 PM (SWIMe)
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>>>
Oh, Ace. You should have been in the earlier thread, where people wanted me to deny the existence of the "alt-right" because acknowledging reality somehow helps the left.
a guy just said upthread, approvingly, that I had taken two steps closer to joining the alt-right
which i guess doesn't exist, though i'm being congratulated on getting closer to joining it
Oh, Ace. You should have been in the earlier thread, where people wanted me to deny the existence of the "alt-right" because acknowledging reality somehow helps the left.
a guy just said upthread, approvingly, that I had taken two steps closer to joining the alt-right
which i guess doesn't exist, though i'm being congratulated on getting closer to joining it
Posted by: ace at March 21, 2016 06:09 PM (dciA+)
249
Not a big deal. I was born to be blacklisted.
Posted by: Drider at March 21, 2016 06:09 PM (6Xbsz)
Posted by: ThunderB at March 21, 2016 06:09 PM (zOTsN)
251
wow, suckup
Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 06:09 PM (HA9zO)
252
Trump I would agree has a way of getting past the media who fawns all over him.
Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2016 06:10 PM (fizMZ)
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>>>218 Amazing how conservative blogs are ignoring this speech.
He doesn't live stream Cruz's speeches either. What's your point?
He doesn't live stream Cruz's speeches either. What's your point?
Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 06:10 PM (MCmqp)
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 21, 2016 06:10 PM (o2321)
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You should have been in the earlier thread, where people wanted me to deny the existence of the "alt-right" because acknowledging reality somehow helps the left.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:08 PM (+Fl7e)
NO we asked you for specific examples and of course you could provide none as usual
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:08 PM (+Fl7e)
NO we asked you for specific examples and of course you could provide none as usual
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 06:10 PM (mw8Dm)
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Rationalize it anyway you want, but not voting for the Republican nominee essentially puts hillary in the White House and tilts the Supreme Court to the far Left. Your choice, it's free Country for the time being.
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You say that like I think there will be a difference in a Hillary nominated justice and a Trump nominated justice.
I do not.
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You say that like I think there will be a difference in a Hillary nominated justice and a Trump nominated justice.
I do not.
Posted by: SH at March 21, 2016 06:10 PM (gmeXX)
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Fuck the GOP. The same assholes who said we can't fight Obama are fighting Trump with all they have. Oh yeah how's that repeal Obamacare Part 73 bill going?
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 21, 2016 06:03 PM (q9Lxc)
This x a bazillion....Trump has more hair on his ass than all the GOPe combined.
Trump/Cruz 2016! Next year in Jerusalem baby!
And fuck Cuba and the Castro Brothers.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 21, 2016 06:03 PM (q9Lxc)
This x a bazillion....Trump has more hair on his ass than all the GOPe combined.
Trump/Cruz 2016! Next year in Jerusalem baby!
And fuck Cuba and the Castro Brothers.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 21, 2016 06:10 PM (ej1L0)
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I wonder if Trump will be able to attract enough new voters to make up for voters like me.
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no.
Posted by: ace at March 21, 2016 06:01 PM (dciA+)
*shouts to roommate*
Hey [REDACTED] are you voting in November?
"No." (this kid takes it as a perverse source of pride that he's never voted. It's not his fault, his parents never did either. I've explained to him that he is the cancer killing this country.)
Will you vote if it's Hillary vs Trump?
"Yes."
Oh well. That's just anecdotal. Dismiss it.
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no.
Posted by: ace at March 21, 2016 06:01 PM (dciA+)
*shouts to roommate*
Hey [REDACTED] are you voting in November?
"No." (this kid takes it as a perverse source of pride that he's never voted. It's not his fault, his parents never did either. I've explained to him that he is the cancer killing this country.)
Will you vote if it's Hillary vs Trump?
"Yes."
Oh well. That's just anecdotal. Dismiss it.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 06:10 PM (ubByS)
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so when is the miracle of Trump's rise in the poll expected to happen?
By the convention, maybe?
No of course not. To predict it that early would result in the theory being falsified too soon.
So when? A month before the election, when?
By the convention, maybe?
No of course not. To predict it that early would result in the theory being falsified too soon.
So when? A month before the election, when?
Posted by: ace at March 21, 2016 06:11 PM (dciA+)
260
I'm not a Trump supporter, but I'll be goddamned if I let Hilary into the WH.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 06:11 PM (R5HRU)
261
The alt-right does throw the best parties.
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 21, 2016 06:11 PM (hzdiH)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 21, 2016 06:11 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: 75 % of potential conservative voters at March 21, 2016 06:11 PM (HA9zO)
Posted by: Oschisms at March 21, 2016 06:11 PM (ZsN9X)
265
>>>a guy just said upthread, approvingly, that I had taken two steps closer to joining the alt-right
which i guess doesn't exist, though i'm being congratulated on getting closer to joining it
You'll know all about them this summer.
which i guess doesn't exist, though i'm being congratulated on getting closer to joining it
You'll know all about them this summer.
Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 06:11 PM (MCmqp)
266
246
What the fing bleep is the "alt-right"?
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at March 21, 2016 06:09 PM (dH97I)
White race tribalists, who self-identify as conservative, are ga-ga for Trump, but shhhhhh saying they exist is a bad thing!!!!
What the fing bleep is the "alt-right"?
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at March 21, 2016 06:09 PM (dH97I)
White race tribalists, who self-identify as conservative, are ga-ga for Trump, but shhhhhh saying they exist is a bad thing!!!!
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:11 PM (+Fl7e)
267
Do we want to be the party of openness to ideas, and a tolerant party, or do we want to be the mirror image of the Social Justice Warriors, with a litany of angry dogmas and lengthy Public Shaming Lists?
We already have heard the answer from some quarters; those that don't capitulate to will of our Betters must be shamed out of not just the party but of society.
We already have heard the answer from some quarters; those that don't capitulate to will of our Betters must be shamed out of not just the party but of society.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 21, 2016 06:12 PM (A/3fN)
268
Trump hasn't won anything until he gets 1237 delegates
Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2016 06:12 PM (fizMZ)
Posted by: eleven at March 21, 2016 06:12 PM (qUNWi)
270
249 Not a big deal. I was born to be blacklisted.
Posted by: Drider at March 21, 2016 06:09 PM (6Xbsz)
I've never been a joiner.
Posted by: Drider at March 21, 2016 06:09 PM (6Xbsz)
I've never been a joiner.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 21, 2016 06:12 PM (4ErVI)
271
"But if you believe we can all rise together, if you believe we've finally come to the point where we can put the awful legacy of the last eight years behind us and the 7 years before that when we were practicing trickle-down economics and no regulation in Washington, which is what caused the crash, then you should vote for her," [Bill] Clinton said.
Posted by: James T Kirk at March 21, 2016 06:12 PM (e8kgV)
272
I'll never doubt ace again, only a true believing republican loves polls
Posted by: Kenja Time at March 21, 2016 06:12 PM (HdUM8)
273
What the fing bleep is the "alt-right"?
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at March 21, 2016 06:09 PM (dH97I)
A useful rhetorical tool the left uses to tie the political right to any and every utterance of racism or intolerance on the entire internet.
The "alt-right" doesn't exist as a political force, it's a messaging tool.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at March 21, 2016 06:09 PM (dH97I)
A useful rhetorical tool the left uses to tie the political right to any and every utterance of racism or intolerance on the entire internet.
The "alt-right" doesn't exist as a political force, it's a messaging tool.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 06:12 PM (ubByS)
274
Trigger Warning: Head to you safe space immediately.
This just in: Trump's going to get more than the requisite 1237 delegates.
There's not going to be an open convention. Trump is going to be the nominee.
This just in: Trump's going to get more than the requisite 1237 delegates.
There's not going to be an open convention. Trump is going to be the nominee.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 21, 2016 06:12 PM (5GODt)
275
"What evidence shows that ANY GOP candidate is better positioned to beat Hildabeast? Is Cruz better? Kasich? I'm not being sarcastic."
Do you mean besides practically every single poll that has been taken on this subject?
Do you mean besides practically every single poll that has been taken on this subject?
Posted by: Boone at March 21, 2016 06:12 PM (8Z0PE)
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At this point, it is all kubuki theatre anyway. If we couldn't even defeat the pathetic little acorn in chief back in 2012 after he spent 4 years showing the country his true colors, why would anybody expect anything different this time around?
There is nothing left to do now but look forward to the impending popcorn show.
After watching the GOPe roll over and wet themselves after we handed them a majority in both houses, I'm done supporting the party of assclowns.
There is nothing left to do now but look forward to the impending popcorn show.
After watching the GOPe roll over and wet themselves after we handed them a majority in both houses, I'm done supporting the party of assclowns.
Posted by: 2L at March 21, 2016 06:12 PM (72fgW)
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Do you have to wear Hipster garb to belong to the Alt-Right ? Skinny jeans won't work for me.
Posted by: Sphynx at March 21, 2016 06:12 PM (OZmbA)
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the stakes are low. There is nearly nothing on the line, because Trump's defeat is virtually guaranteed.
Posted by: ace at March 21, 2016 06:07 PM (dciA+)
Well ... good to know it's over, already. I wasn't sure ... I'm just one of the clueless idiots who kept saying, from the beginning, that the Trump run was serious and that he could easily capture the nomination. Silly me. I was right about that but now I find out that it's all for naught.
Posted by: ace at March 21, 2016 06:07 PM (dciA+)
Well ... good to know it's over, already. I wasn't sure ... I'm just one of the clueless idiots who kept saying, from the beginning, that the Trump run was serious and that he could easily capture the nomination. Silly me. I was right about that but now I find out that it's all for naught.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 21, 2016 06:12 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 06:12 PM (MCmqp)
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>>> 246 What the fing bleep is the "alt-right"?
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Shortcut in Excel for quickly getting to the last cell on the right without a crap ton of scrolling through giant spreadsheets.
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Shortcut in Excel for quickly getting to the last cell on the right without a crap ton of scrolling through giant spreadsheets.
Posted by: Damiano at March 21, 2016 06:12 PM (XItbt)
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NO we asked you for specific examples and of course you could provide none as usual
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 06:10 PM (mw8Dm)
Oh for cripes sake. Just do a google search on Richard Spencer. He is one of the alt-right leaders.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 06:10 PM (mw8Dm)
Oh for cripes sake. Just do a google search on Richard Spencer. He is one of the alt-right leaders.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:12 PM (+Fl7e)
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211. Oh I know the GOPe did not want Trump, they invited him into the race only to split anti-establishment votes. They may be stuck with him now and they are ready to stomp on all their supposed principles trying to worm out of that outcome, the stupid jerks.
Posted by: Palerider at March 21, 2016 06:12 PM (dkExz)
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Cruz attacking Obama for economic boycott of Israel
Posted by: ThunderB at March 21, 2016 06:09 PM (zOTsN)
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What the hell is Cruz talking about? Labeling West Bank goods?
Posted by: ThunderB at March 21, 2016 06:09 PM (zOTsN)
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What the hell is Cruz talking about? Labeling West Bank goods?
Posted by: RioBravo at March 21, 2016 06:12 PM (NUqwG)
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Trump hasn't won anything until he gets 1237 delegates
Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2016 06:12 PM (fizMZ)
I guess my heart doesn't count for NOTHIN in your book.
Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2016 06:12 PM (fizMZ)
I guess my heart doesn't count for NOTHIN in your book.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 06:13 PM (ubByS)
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Polls during the primaries DO NOT MOVE during the general. That's why we don't even bother spending millions campaigning during the general because it's pointless. Polls are set in stone and cannot change so therefore all primary decisions must be weighed against polls during the primary ONLY.
Posted by: torpedo_of_truth at March 21, 2016 06:13 PM (plVke)
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If Trump doesn't get the nomination on the first ballot, then he will probably lose to Cruz when all the fighting is over.
Now this definitely results in a fracture of the party and means Cruz loses in the general.
I'm ok with that. I think we are going to lose anyway, either with Trump or with a divided party
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 21, 2016 06:09 PM (kBIIG)
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No offense, but the idea that a documented felon, responsible for the death of an ambassador, and one who took literally millions in bribes is the run away winner in the fall, against either Cruz or Trump, based on general polling in February is just nuts.
Now this definitely results in a fracture of the party and means Cruz loses in the general.
I'm ok with that. I think we are going to lose anyway, either with Trump or with a divided party
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 21, 2016 06:09 PM (kBIIG)
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No offense, but the idea that a documented felon, responsible for the death of an ambassador, and one who took literally millions in bribes is the run away winner in the fall, against either Cruz or Trump, based on general polling in February is just nuts.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 21, 2016 06:13 PM (Qvgg/)
Posted by: eleven at March 21, 2016 06:13 PM (qUNWi)
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Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 06:12 PM (ubByS)
Yes. It's also used by the people who wear that moniker with pride.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 06:12 PM (ubByS)
Yes. It's also used by the people who wear that moniker with pride.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 06:13 PM (R5HRU)
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Ace, I understand your displeasure with Trump, but I'm not convinced his nomination is an automatic loss, and I'm not drunk on Trump branded Flavor Aid.
Trump's VP pick will matter. Cruz does no one any favors by outrightly rejecting the notion of being Trump's VP.
And Trump is shifting gears. His AIPAC speech was a strange change of gears given the teleprompter. I think you can even admit as much.
Trump's VP pick will matter. Cruz does no one any favors by outrightly rejecting the notion of being Trump's VP.
And Trump is shifting gears. His AIPAC speech was a strange change of gears given the teleprompter. I think you can even admit as much.
Posted by: Walter Freeman at March 21, 2016 06:14 PM (21hN3)
Posted by: ThunderB at March 21, 2016 06:14 PM (zOTsN)
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If it's Trump v Hillary it'll swing on turnout and the vagaries of the electoral map.
538.com has an interactive tool based on the 2012 electoral map and importantly is set up state by state. While I would have used different groupings of voters than this, it's still useful. It illustrates how important turnout is to the outcome, which can be quite different than man-in-the-street polling. What's also embedded in the state-by-state calculation is that the subgroups are not of equal size and are not evenly distributed across the states.
It doesn't take much of an increase in white non-college turnout and R voting rate to win more than 270 electoral votes. The people who hate Trump are mostly piled-up in states that are already Deep Blue. Blacks won't turn out for Hillary like they did for Obama. Young people hate her. Recall that Gore got more votes than Bush in 2000, but lost on electoral votes. Same thing can happen again, even more so.
And Trump can drive Hillary's negatives through the roof.
538.com has an interactive tool based on the 2012 electoral map and importantly is set up state by state. While I would have used different groupings of voters than this, it's still useful. It illustrates how important turnout is to the outcome, which can be quite different than man-in-the-street polling. What's also embedded in the state-by-state calculation is that the subgroups are not of equal size and are not evenly distributed across the states.
It doesn't take much of an increase in white non-college turnout and R voting rate to win more than 270 electoral votes. The people who hate Trump are mostly piled-up in states that are already Deep Blue. Blacks won't turn out for Hillary like they did for Obama. Young people hate her. Recall that Gore got more votes than Bush in 2000, but lost on electoral votes. Same thing can happen again, even more so.
And Trump can drive Hillary's negatives through the roof.
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 21, 2016 06:14 PM (r1fLd)
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You should have been in the earlier thread, where people wanted me to deny the existence of the "alt-right" because acknowledging reality somehow helps the left.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:08 PM (+Fl7e)
Nobody cares what you think. Go ahead and see evil whities everywhere. We just wish that you would mix it up a little bit instead of repeating the same tired lies over and over and over and over ... Get some variety in there, man.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:08 PM (+Fl7e)
Nobody cares what you think. Go ahead and see evil whities everywhere. We just wish that you would mix it up a little bit instead of repeating the same tired lies over and over and over and over ... Get some variety in there, man.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 21, 2016 06:14 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: Olbermann at March 21, 2016 06:14 PM (HA9zO)
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"1979:
Reagan will get us into a nuclear war!
2016:
Same shit."
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Yep. They are even more vociferous than back then because they've pulled the country even farther to the left since Reagan. The frog in the boiling pot are even fighting us this time.
Reagan will get us into a nuclear war!
2016:
Same shit."
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Yep. They are even more vociferous than back then because they've pulled the country even farther to the left since Reagan. The frog in the boiling pot are even fighting us this time.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 21, 2016 06:14 PM (5GODt)
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I do kind of like those hipster shoes that are three times too long for your feet. You could flip pancakes with those shoes.
Posted by: Sphynx at March 21, 2016 06:14 PM (OZmbA)
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You'll know all about them this summer.
Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 06:11 PM (MCmqp)
Yup, we will have daily breathless news reports about "the face of the new Republican Party" with Spencer, Vox Day, et al. all grabbing some media face time
Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 06:11 PM (MCmqp)
Yup, we will have daily breathless news reports about "the face of the new Republican Party" with Spencer, Vox Day, et al. all grabbing some media face time
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:14 PM (+Fl7e)
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It amazes me how many so-called conservative republicans are opposed to the idea of playing by the rules.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 21, 2016 06:01 PM (Qvgg/)
If Trump wins has 1,237 delegates coming into the convention, then he deserves the GOP nomination and I'll pull the lever for Trump as the nominee in November (and then leave the Republican Party, become an independent, and never look back).
If Trump has less than 1,237, then I'll pray Cruz gets it on the first delegate ballot. Or the second. Or however many it takes. I'll also pray the GOP Establishment doesn't try any hanky-panky to put Kasich or some other miserable jerkwad on the ballot in an attempt to force their choice. They do that and the GOP disappears from history right then and there.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 21, 2016 06:01 PM (Qvgg/)
If Trump wins has 1,237 delegates coming into the convention, then he deserves the GOP nomination and I'll pull the lever for Trump as the nominee in November (and then leave the Republican Party, become an independent, and never look back).
If Trump has less than 1,237, then I'll pray Cruz gets it on the first delegate ballot. Or the second. Or however many it takes. I'll also pray the GOP Establishment doesn't try any hanky-panky to put Kasich or some other miserable jerkwad on the ballot in an attempt to force their choice. They do that and the GOP disappears from history right then and there.
Posted by: troyriser at March 21, 2016 06:15 PM (Au69S)
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Perhaps it's time to change the masthead re: tempted to slit throats. ... To
"Abandon all hope, he who enter here"
Always loved the optimism here in the past. I'd love to see it return... Related does not mencken's quote reflect what we know to be the case re:trump he's merely the illustration of it. Be not dismayed, be of good courage!
"Abandon all hope, he who enter here"
Always loved the optimism here in the past. I'd love to see it return... Related does not mencken's quote reflect what we know to be the case re:trump he's merely the illustration of it. Be not dismayed, be of good courage!
Posted by: Gov98 at March 21, 2016 06:15 PM (If7m8)
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And Trump is shifting gears. His AIPAC speech was a strange change of gears given the teleprompter. I think you can even admit as much.
Posted by: Walter Freeman at March 21, 2016 06:14 PM
And tomorrow He'll go on a twitter rant about some stupid thing....He can't help himself...... He's..... Trump...
Posted by: Walter Freeman at March 21, 2016 06:14 PM
And tomorrow He'll go on a twitter rant about some stupid thing....He can't help himself...... He's..... Trump...
Posted by: donna at March 21, 2016 06:15 PM (/dSsq)
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When the Obama administration wouldn't allow flights to Israel claiming security
But they would allow flights to the Ukraine even tho an aircraft had just been shot down
But they would allow flights to the Ukraine even tho an aircraft had just been shot down
Posted by: ThunderB at March 21, 2016 06:15 PM (zOTsN)
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Oh for cripes sake. Just do a google search on Richard Spencer. He is one of the alt-right leaders.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:12 PM (+Fl7e)
Leader of what? Where is this vast racist right you keep talking about? Is there a right wing BLM? Is there a right wing MoveOn.com? Where are all these boogey men you keep talking about? Where are they demonstrating?
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:12 PM (+Fl7e)
Leader of what? Where is this vast racist right you keep talking about? Is there a right wing BLM? Is there a right wing MoveOn.com? Where are all these boogey men you keep talking about? Where are they demonstrating?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 06:15 PM (mw8Dm)
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What is Chemjeffs point?
Posted by: Seems legit at March 21, 2016 06:15 PM (U+nHb)
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72 >>>Don't know why Ace is buying into the line that Trump can't win. He'll slam dunk Killary unless the GOP elite sabotage him - with help from Eric Erickson et al.
sure. all the polls are wrong. they're all faked by people who don't like Trump.
let's proceed to the inevitable next step: Claiming that Trump *could have won* had he not been stabbed in the back by Charles Krauthammer or even minor bloggers like me.
PS, I'm not stabbing him in the back, I'm stabbing him in the front.
and when he loses catastrophically the same as all the polls are telling you he will, you'll just start creating the narrative by which the people who warned you are really to blame and the people who rejected facts are really the unsung heroes in all of it.
Posted by: ace at March 21, 2016 05:53 PM (dciA+)
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First of all, this far out in the midst of a very heated primary, head to head general election polls are worse the worthless. Many Cruz and GOPe types are voting for Hillary (in the poll) out of spite to hurt Trump's chances in the primary, but they will in the end hold their nose and vote for Trump -- along with all the new voters he is attracting.
It is fine that you pimp for Cruz with this type of rhetoric while the nomination is still in doubt (sort of), but once Trump secures the nomination, you need to drop it, get in line, and start supporting the lesser of two evils. Trump is better than Hillary. Full Stop.
If you and your ilk are responsible through your temper tantrums for handing the election to her majesty, it will be on your heads and your heads alone -- not Trump and his supporters, because they will have won the nomination fair and square.
In the primary the candidates compete with each other and all is fair in political campaigns, but when its all over and a candidate is selected by the party, then there is the real election to be won. I know you really prefer Cruz, but don't be so strident that you fuck it up for the rest of us if your boy happens to fall short.
sure. all the polls are wrong. they're all faked by people who don't like Trump.
let's proceed to the inevitable next step: Claiming that Trump *could have won* had he not been stabbed in the back by Charles Krauthammer or even minor bloggers like me.
PS, I'm not stabbing him in the back, I'm stabbing him in the front.
and when he loses catastrophically the same as all the polls are telling you he will, you'll just start creating the narrative by which the people who warned you are really to blame and the people who rejected facts are really the unsung heroes in all of it.
Posted by: ace at March 21, 2016 05:53 PM (dciA+)
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First of all, this far out in the midst of a very heated primary, head to head general election polls are worse the worthless. Many Cruz and GOPe types are voting for Hillary (in the poll) out of spite to hurt Trump's chances in the primary, but they will in the end hold their nose and vote for Trump -- along with all the new voters he is attracting.
It is fine that you pimp for Cruz with this type of rhetoric while the nomination is still in doubt (sort of), but once Trump secures the nomination, you need to drop it, get in line, and start supporting the lesser of two evils. Trump is better than Hillary. Full Stop.
If you and your ilk are responsible through your temper tantrums for handing the election to her majesty, it will be on your heads and your heads alone -- not Trump and his supporters, because they will have won the nomination fair and square.
In the primary the candidates compete with each other and all is fair in political campaigns, but when its all over and a candidate is selected by the party, then there is the real election to be won. I know you really prefer Cruz, but don't be so strident that you fuck it up for the rest of us if your boy happens to fall short.
Posted by: tommylotto at March 21, 2016 06:15 PM (A3a8d)
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259 so when is the miracle of Trump's rise in the poll expected to happen?
is he still at the 3% he was at 9 months ago?
is he still at the 3% he was at 9 months ago?
Posted by: x at March 21, 2016 06:15 PM (nFwvY)
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Look at the remaining primaries and tell me which ones Cruz will win or even do well in.
Look at the remaining primaries and tell me which ones Cruz will win or even do well in.
Posted by: flawless male logic at March 21, 2016 06:16 PM (lKyWE)
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White race tribalists, who self-identify as conservative, are ga-ga for Trump, but shhhhhh saying they exist is a bad thing!!!!
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:11 PM (+Fl7e)
Well, I certainly wouldn't cede the term "alt-right."
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:11 PM (+Fl7e)
Well, I certainly wouldn't cede the term "alt-right."
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at March 21, 2016 06:16 PM (dH97I)
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Yes. It's also used by the people who wear that moniker with pride.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 06:13 PM (R5HRU)
And they are scum-sucking racists who don't deserve to be so much as noticed, much less mentioned.
Do you see what I'm saying? It's not a movement. It's a bunch of fuckheads that have given up on ever being a part of anything positive. It isn't connected to the actual political right in this country.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 06:13 PM (R5HRU)
And they are scum-sucking racists who don't deserve to be so much as noticed, much less mentioned.
Do you see what I'm saying? It's not a movement. It's a bunch of fuckheads that have given up on ever being a part of anything positive. It isn't connected to the actual political right in this country.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 06:16 PM (ubByS)
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If Trump wins has 1,237 delegates coming into the convention, then he deserves the GOP nomination and I'll pull the lever for Trump as the nominee in November (and then leave the Republican Party, become an independent, and never look back).
If Trump has less than 1,237, then I'll pray Cruz gets it on the first delegate ballot. Or the second. Or however many it takes. I'll also pray the GOP Establishment doesn't try any hanky-panky to put Kasich or some other miserable jerkwad on the ballot in an attempt to force their choice. They do that and the GOP disappears from history right then and there.
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I basically feel the same. I won't leave the party and never look back. Trump may be a one time thing. He may turn out better than I think and may even warrant a vote in 2020. But in general I'm with you.
If Trump has less than 1,237, then I'll pray Cruz gets it on the first delegate ballot. Or the second. Or however many it takes. I'll also pray the GOP Establishment doesn't try any hanky-panky to put Kasich or some other miserable jerkwad on the ballot in an attempt to force their choice. They do that and the GOP disappears from history right then and there.
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I basically feel the same. I won't leave the party and never look back. Trump may be a one time thing. He may turn out better than I think and may even warrant a vote in 2020. But in general I'm with you.
Posted by: SH at March 21, 2016 06:16 PM (gmeXX)
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If we couldn't even defeat the pathetic little acorn in chief back in
2012 after he spent 4 years showing the country his true colors, why
would anybody expect anything different this time around?
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Because the felon won't get the 30% higher black turnout that the acorn did.
2012 after he spent 4 years showing the country his true colors, why
would anybody expect anything different this time around?
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Because the felon won't get the 30% higher black turnout that the acorn did.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 21, 2016 06:16 PM (Qvgg/)
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What is Chemjeffs point?
Posted by: Seems legit at March 21, 2016 06:15 PM (U+nHb)
Forget it. He's rolling.
Posted by: Seems legit at March 21, 2016 06:15 PM (U+nHb)
Forget it. He's rolling.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 21, 2016 06:16 PM (zc3Db)
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It's like Cruz is just repeating what Trump said.
Posted by: mega machines at March 21, 2016 06:16 PM (fbovC)
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My nephews proudly stated they were non voters. I said (to myself) "that's a good thing."
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 21, 2016 06:17 PM (FkBIv)
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What is Chemjeffs point?
Posted by: Seems legit at March 21, 2016 06:15 PM (U+nHb)
He gets to say he's a conservative at parties (which makes him different!) and then spend the next two hours building beautiful, elegant, complex, and very impressive arguments for how that really makes him utterly indistinguishable from a late 90s Clinton liberal.
This never gets him laid, but he sure does feel good about it.
Posted by: Seems legit at March 21, 2016 06:15 PM (U+nHb)
He gets to say he's a conservative at parties (which makes him different!) and then spend the next two hours building beautiful, elegant, complex, and very impressive arguments for how that really makes him utterly indistinguishable from a late 90s Clinton liberal.
This never gets him laid, but he sure does feel good about it.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 06:17 PM (ubByS)
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178 the beauty of a poll is that they ask tons of people
a question that you ordinarily only get to ask of people in your
immediate social orbit.
Posted by: ace at March 21, 2016 06:03 PM (dciA+)
The problem with polls is how they finally wind up with the results. When they construct their poll they always ask questions of the people sampled about their party affiliation and if they voted in the last election and which party they voted for.
They supposedly then use those questions to add weighting factors to the calculations that alter the results. Liberal outfits like newspapers and colleges apply an increase multiple to Democrat answers and a decrease factor to Republican factors.
And national polls this far out from the election are rarely accurate, hence all the talk about the Reagan/Carter election. The closer it gets to the election, the more accurate they become.
And BTW, before kayshit got in the race I saw a poll that said ANY of the Republican candidates would beat Scankles.
a question that you ordinarily only get to ask of people in your
immediate social orbit.
Posted by: ace at March 21, 2016 06:03 PM (dciA+)
The problem with polls is how they finally wind up with the results. When they construct their poll they always ask questions of the people sampled about their party affiliation and if they voted in the last election and which party they voted for.
They supposedly then use those questions to add weighting factors to the calculations that alter the results. Liberal outfits like newspapers and colleges apply an increase multiple to Democrat answers and a decrease factor to Republican factors.
And national polls this far out from the election are rarely accurate, hence all the talk about the Reagan/Carter election. The closer it gets to the election, the more accurate they become.
And BTW, before kayshit got in the race I saw a poll that said ANY of the Republican candidates would beat Scankles.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 21, 2016 06:18 PM (t2KH5)
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There is an alt right and a great number of them are virulently anti Jew, like Nazi era rat cartoon anti jew
Posted by: ThunderB at March 21, 2016 06:18 PM (zOTsN)
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There is only one good outcome as I see it. Cruz gets nominated with
Trump's full support. Cruz goes onto win. Cruz repeals Obamacare.
Cruz appoints three justices more conservative than Bork himself. And
Cruz eliminates the IRS.
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I'm going with tragic comet strike on the Donk convention site kills all Donk officials higher than crossing guard.
Trump's full support. Cruz goes onto win. Cruz repeals Obamacare.
Cruz appoints three justices more conservative than Bork himself. And
Cruz eliminates the IRS.
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I'm going with tragic comet strike on the Donk convention site kills all Donk officials higher than crossing guard.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 21, 2016 06:18 PM (Nwg0u)
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Nobody cares what you think. Go ahead and see evil
whities everywhere. We just wish that you would mix it up a little bit
instead of repeating the same tired lies over and over and over and over
... Get some variety in there, man.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 21, 2016 06:14 PM (zc3Db)
Which lies would that be, TPOP? Oh and by the way, I never said anything about "Evil Whitey"
whities everywhere. We just wish that you would mix it up a little bit
instead of repeating the same tired lies over and over and over and over
... Get some variety in there, man.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 21, 2016 06:14 PM (zc3Db)
Which lies would that be, TPOP? Oh and by the way, I never said anything about "Evil Whitey"
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:18 PM (+Fl7e)
Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 06:18 PM (HA9zO)
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 21, 2016 06:18 PM (o2321)
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It's like Cruz is just repeating what Trump said.
Posted by: mega machines at March 21, 2016 06:16 PM (fbovC)
Because the person that wrote the speech Trump just read was Jeff Sessions.
Posted by: mega machines at March 21, 2016 06:16 PM (fbovC)
Because the person that wrote the speech Trump just read was Jeff Sessions.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 06:18 PM (ubByS)
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>>>This just in: Trump's going to get more than the requisite 1237 delegates.
Not looking that way from all the projections I've seen. He'll get close. You'll probably be voting3rd party Trump. Doesn't matter he isn't going to win the general anyway.
Not looking that way from all the projections I've seen. He'll get close. You'll probably be voting3rd party Trump. Doesn't matter he isn't going to win the general anyway.
Posted by: Arson Wells at March 21, 2016 06:18 PM (/E+t2)
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"What are the republican versus democrat representation in those polls? Are democrats being over-sampled?" -- 2012
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 21, 2016 06:18 PM (hzdiH)
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so when is the miracle of Trump's rise in the poll expected to happen?
I get your point Ace, but is your only solution to lay down and wait for the liberal left wing to run us over with out a fight? I get you don't like Trump but other than giving up I am not sure what your point is?
I get your point Ace, but is your only solution to lay down and wait for the liberal left wing to run us over with out a fight? I get you don't like Trump but other than giving up I am not sure what your point is?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 06:18 PM (mw8Dm)
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Yup, we will have daily breathless news reports about "the face of the new Republican Party" with Spencer, Vox Day, et al. all grabbing some media face time
Yep, I can't wait for the MSM to start giving Republican candidates favorable coverage once Cruz is the nominee. Or Kasich. Or Rubio. Or Bush.
Yep, I can't wait for the MSM to start giving Republican candidates favorable coverage once Cruz is the nominee. Or Kasich. Or Rubio. Or Bush.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 21, 2016 06:19 PM (8ZskC)
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There is an alt right and a great number of them are virulently anti Jew, like Nazi era rat cartoon anti jew
Posted by: ThunderB at March 21, 2016 06:18 PM (zOTsN)
Exactly, they're cartoonish freakshow bigots. They're not "right" about anything, they're not "alt" anything, they're nazi-sympathizers.
Posted by: ThunderB at March 21, 2016 06:18 PM (zOTsN)
Exactly, they're cartoonish freakshow bigots. They're not "right" about anything, they're not "alt" anything, they're nazi-sympathizers.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 06:19 PM (ubByS)
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I absolutely and wholeheartedly agree with ace. On this, I side with the establishment. They need to do whatever they can to stop this cataclysmic disaster from happening. I agree - desperate times call for desperate measures.
Trump is a master of playing on people's emotions, and manipulating them. And he does it all with a smile. It's a shame so many of the people so readily jumping on his train can't see this.
Trump is a master of playing on people's emotions, and manipulating them. And he does it all with a smile. It's a shame so many of the people so readily jumping on his train can't see this.
Posted by: Sassy at March 21, 2016 06:19 PM (4LH9f)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 21, 2016 06:19 PM (8ZskC)
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Ghost of kari- I wouldn't be so personal as that. 
Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2016 06:19 PM (fizMZ)
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No offense, but the idea that a documented felon, responsible for the death of an ambassador, and one who took literally millions in bribes is the run away winner in the fall, against either Cruz or Trump, based on general polling in February is just nuts.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 21, 2016 06:13 PM (Qvgg/)
What felony? Felonies are the result of indictments and trials and juries and judges and verdicts and whatnot. You see any of that here?
And the death of Ambassador Stevens and those other brave, noble patriots? Old news, pal. Let's move along, shall we? What difference, at this point, does it make?
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 21, 2016 06:13 PM (Qvgg/)
What felony? Felonies are the result of indictments and trials and juries and judges and verdicts and whatnot. You see any of that here?
And the death of Ambassador Stevens and those other brave, noble patriots? Old news, pal. Let's move along, shall we? What difference, at this point, does it make?
Posted by: troyriser at March 21, 2016 06:19 PM (Au69S)
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Do you have to wear Hipster garb to belong to the Alt-Right ? Skinny jeans won't work for me.
Posted by: Sphynx at March 21, 2016 06:12 PM (OZmbA)
Same here, I'd look like a Tootsie Roll Pop.
Posted by: Sphynx at March 21, 2016 06:12 PM (OZmbA)
Same here, I'd look like a Tootsie Roll Pop.
Posted by: Country Singer at March 21, 2016 06:19 PM (GUBah)
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Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 06:16 PM (ubByS)
Dude I agree with 90% of what you said except it is a movement, now unless I'm wrong and I very well could be, but wasn't the term cuckservative started by those who self identify as "alt-right"? I mean that was a pretty big deal from what I remember.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 06:16 PM (ubByS)
Dude I agree with 90% of what you said except it is a movement, now unless I'm wrong and I very well could be, but wasn't the term cuckservative started by those who self identify as "alt-right"? I mean that was a pretty big deal from what I remember.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 06:20 PM (R5HRU)
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Eh, Trump will be entertaining and in some ways he is the only possible candidate that has a chance to take on the media and win or draw. I think he will either win narrowly or lose spectacularly, but damn it will be fun.
Posted by: Banana Splits Guy at March 21, 2016 06:20 PM (AhKk5)
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Well they call themselves alt right, fwiw
Posted by: ThunderB at March 21, 2016 06:20 PM (zOTsN)
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I hate sackcloth and ashes.
Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 06:20 PM (HA9zO)
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One meme I'm getting really tired of is this "polls in March mean nothing" nonsense.
Here you go, do your own research.
http://tinyurl.com/3woqv5l
You may be emotionally invested in Trump, but if you refuse to see what a significant hurdle he has to overcome to win the general election, then...
Here you go, do your own research.
http://tinyurl.com/3woqv5l
You may be emotionally invested in Trump, but if you refuse to see what a significant hurdle he has to overcome to win the general election, then...
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 21, 2016 06:20 PM (kBIIG)
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"because Trump's defeat is virtually guaranteed. "
Even in defeat, he would still come out ahead of Cruz.
Even in defeat, he would still come out ahead of Cruz.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 21, 2016 06:20 PM (WnCSK)
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I disagree. I think Ace and Shaw are mistaken here. I am by no means a "thought leader" - my principles being what they are, I don't much cotton to leaders, least of all in thought: free men, free minds, and free markets, that's my motto. I am not high in the counsels of any Secret Conservative Council or Cabal (ahem).
Nevertheless....
It is impossible - and would go well beyond propriety - to state the extent to which I despise Donald Trump ... and all who sail in him. It may well be true that many of his lower-level, Honest 'Murican, Folk Next Door supporters are basically decent people who have been misled, buffaloed, and deceived into supporting the son of a - into supporting the man. To that extent, I would never consider blacklisting them. Equally, I conclude that they are that easily misled.... John Adams once said he believed in the only true aristocracy or meritocracy for a republic, that of the "natural aristocrat" who could, by persuasion, command at least two votes, his own and that of a neighbor he could reason over to his way of thinking. The little New England crabapple did not foresee, I fear, the Trumpshirts, who are impervious to reason and wilfully blind to evidence.
The factory hand, the pipefitter, the waitress who has joined the Trumpenjugend is one thing. They may possibly repent at leisure. I would not blacklist them; but I do not in fact respect their choices, and I have learned that they cannot be reasoned with. It is one thing to be open to ideas; but some ideas one can only entertain for the limited purpose of blowing those ideas to ragdolls, and Trumpismo is a congeries of those ideas. (I pause to note that Ace, above, inadvertently conflates two very different things in this context: the Republican Party, of which I am not a member and whose fate is a matter of essential indifference to me, and the conservative movement, of which I am a longtime adherent and which matters hugely to the Republic.)
I have yet to encounter a Trump supporter worth trying to reason with; capable of being reasoned with; or deserving of an ounce of respect as to his necessarily incoherent, subliterate, and halfwitted opinions. I am not interested in blacklisting them personally; but they do merit being read out of the conservative movement, of which they are no real philosophic part in any case, in just the same way we, many years ago, read the Ayn Rand cultists out of it.
But they are not the primary issue. The issue is those politicians, rainmakers, and, yes, Establishment cronies who have either endorsed that bloviating, adipose ball of diseased sputum, for nakedly self-serving reasons, or who are willing to collaborate with him. Whether there is a formal blacklist or not; whether or not conservatives, true conservatives, join in agreeing as to who ought to be thus blackballed; whether anyone else agrees with me or not (a question which sweats me very lightly), I, with (I should hope) any other real, Movement conservatives, hold that such as Chris Christie; Ben Carson; John Kasich; and, yes, the increasingly clownish Ms Palin, are, with all other prominent allies of or collaborators with that bad-haired charlatan, politically dead to me.
Let the chips from my hewing fall where they may.
Nevertheless....
It is impossible - and would go well beyond propriety - to state the extent to which I despise Donald Trump ... and all who sail in him. It may well be true that many of his lower-level, Honest 'Murican, Folk Next Door supporters are basically decent people who have been misled, buffaloed, and deceived into supporting the son of a - into supporting the man. To that extent, I would never consider blacklisting them. Equally, I conclude that they are that easily misled.... John Adams once said he believed in the only true aristocracy or meritocracy for a republic, that of the "natural aristocrat" who could, by persuasion, command at least two votes, his own and that of a neighbor he could reason over to his way of thinking. The little New England crabapple did not foresee, I fear, the Trumpshirts, who are impervious to reason and wilfully blind to evidence.
The factory hand, the pipefitter, the waitress who has joined the Trumpenjugend is one thing. They may possibly repent at leisure. I would not blacklist them; but I do not in fact respect their choices, and I have learned that they cannot be reasoned with. It is one thing to be open to ideas; but some ideas one can only entertain for the limited purpose of blowing those ideas to ragdolls, and Trumpismo is a congeries of those ideas. (I pause to note that Ace, above, inadvertently conflates two very different things in this context: the Republican Party, of which I am not a member and whose fate is a matter of essential indifference to me, and the conservative movement, of which I am a longtime adherent and which matters hugely to the Republic.)
I have yet to encounter a Trump supporter worth trying to reason with; capable of being reasoned with; or deserving of an ounce of respect as to his necessarily incoherent, subliterate, and halfwitted opinions. I am not interested in blacklisting them personally; but they do merit being read out of the conservative movement, of which they are no real philosophic part in any case, in just the same way we, many years ago, read the Ayn Rand cultists out of it.
But they are not the primary issue. The issue is those politicians, rainmakers, and, yes, Establishment cronies who have either endorsed that bloviating, adipose ball of diseased sputum, for nakedly self-serving reasons, or who are willing to collaborate with him. Whether there is a formal blacklist or not; whether or not conservatives, true conservatives, join in agreeing as to who ought to be thus blackballed; whether anyone else agrees with me or not (a question which sweats me very lightly), I, with (I should hope) any other real, Movement conservatives, hold that such as Chris Christie; Ben Carson; John Kasich; and, yes, the increasingly clownish Ms Palin, are, with all other prominent allies of or collaborators with that bad-haired charlatan, politically dead to me.
Let the chips from my hewing fall where they may.
Posted by: MarkhamShawPyle at March 21, 2016 06:20 PM (WlkUc)
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I just don't trust him with the Bomb.
I only partly get this. The Bomb is the least likely and most formalized NonPOTUS decision that might come up. There's a lot of multi-star Generals between SkullFerretMaGeddon and any launch codes.
I only partly get this. The Bomb is the least likely and most formalized NonPOTUS decision that might come up. There's a lot of multi-star Generals between SkullFerretMaGeddon and any launch codes.
Posted by: DaveA at March 21, 2016 06:20 PM (DL2i+)
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I thought the SMOD was doing a flyby today and again on Wednesday.
I thought the SMOD was doing a flyby today and again on Wednesday.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 21, 2016 06:20 PM (iQIUe)
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I've always wanted to be part of an ilk. Or a minion. But nobody's hiring in this economy.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 21, 2016 06:21 PM (rwI+c)
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...Megyn Kelly...
Tit for tat. Megyn Kelly attacked him first. Came after him with prepared foils last attack. Where were her foils for Cruz or Kasich?
Megyn Kelly is a proxy to neutralize Hilary's war on women theme. If Trump can marginalize a cutie like Megyn Kelly then an Old Battle Axe like Hillary is easy.
Megyn Kelly could have acted professional and unbiased. Instead she saw this as an opportunity to bigger fame.
Tit for tat. Megyn Kelly attacked him first. Came after him with prepared foils last attack. Where were her foils for Cruz or Kasich?
Megyn Kelly is a proxy to neutralize Hilary's war on women theme. If Trump can marginalize a cutie like Megyn Kelly then an Old Battle Axe like Hillary is easy.
Megyn Kelly could have acted professional and unbiased. Instead she saw this as an opportunity to bigger fame.
Posted by: scorecard at March 21, 2016 06:21 PM (CRXed)
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330 No offense, but the idea that a documented felon, responsible for the death of an ambassador, and one who took literally millions in bribes is the run away winner in the fall, against either Cruz or Trump, based on general polling in February is just nuts.
I hope you're not counting on a Hillary! indictment to push Trump into the WH.... It ain't gonna happen....
I hope you're not counting on a Hillary! indictment to push Trump into the WH.... It ain't gonna happen....
Posted by: donna at March 21, 2016 06:21 PM (/dSsq)
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I am voting for Trump because I support the Second Amendment and so does he...
Except for the scary guns, assault weapons, or the ones that have a thing that goes up. Those should all be banned.
Except for the scary guns, assault weapons, or the ones that have a thing that goes up. Those should all be banned.
Posted by: Sooper Smart Conservative at March 21, 2016 06:21 PM (XItbt)
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Trump is a master of playing on people's emotions, and manipulating them.
And what politician isn't?
Trump is a master of playing on people's emotions, and manipulating them.
And what politician isn't?
Posted by: flawless male logic at March 21, 2016 06:21 PM (lKyWE)
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Teh Donald or Ted wins if they remember that the MSM is not their friend, if they keep the focus on her highness's corruption and double down if anyone complains. Got to hand it to Trump, he already gets it. No way he loses to Hillary.
Posted by: The Cookie Man at March 21, 2016 06:21 PM (Pmo9z)
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And BTW, before kayshit got in the race I saw a poll that said ANY of the Republican candidates would beat Scankles.
You're right. The polls showing Trump losing to Clinton only appeared after the Republicans started pouring it on with the whole violence bullshit.
So who will I blame if Clinton wins?
I will blame the Republicans who didn't vote for Trump and smeared his candidacy because Trump needed to be stopped, that's who I'll blame.
And BTW, before kayshit got in the race I saw a poll that said ANY of the Republican candidates would beat Scankles.
You're right. The polls showing Trump losing to Clinton only appeared after the Republicans started pouring it on with the whole violence bullshit.
So who will I blame if Clinton wins?
I will blame the Republicans who didn't vote for Trump and smeared his candidacy because Trump needed to be stopped, that's who I'll blame.
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 21, 2016 06:21 PM (o2321)
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Regarding polls. I refuse to be swayed by any argument that begins with, "we can't believe the polls because..." I bought a few thousand shares of that argument in 2012. Never again.
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at March 21, 2016 06:21 PM (GZ/jc)
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Standing O for Ted, finished with Hebrew
Posted by: ThunderB at March 21, 2016 06:21 PM (zOTsN)
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Trump is a master of playing on people's emotions, and manipulating them.
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...as opposed to the standard GOP master craft of simply pissing off a majority of the voters.
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...as opposed to the standard GOP master craft of simply pissing off a majority of the voters.
Posted by: RioBravo at March 21, 2016 06:21 PM (NUqwG)
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@donna; @300: "And tomorrow He'll go on a twitter rant about some stupid thing....He can't help himself...... He's..... Trump..."
A ship as large as Trump's ego needs time to turn, and I see him trying to turn today, but YMMV.
*shrugs*
A ship as large as Trump's ego needs time to turn, and I see him trying to turn today, but YMMV.
*shrugs*
Posted by: Walter Freeman at March 21, 2016 06:21 PM (21hN3)
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Which lies would that be, TPOP?
Pretty much all the bullshit you make up trying to tell people exactly what Trump is going to do and exactly how we are going to react to it. You act as if you know me better than I know me ... which is pretty friggin amazing since I'm nothing but a bunch of comments, so far as you know.
Oh and by the way, I never said anything about "Evil Whitey"
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:18 PM (+Fl7e)
Not in so few words, no. But that's pretty much the bulk of what you like to bleat about, lately. And you love to project a gigantic "noble savage" vibe. You're hitting on all 8 wacky cylinders.
Pretty much all the bullshit you make up trying to tell people exactly what Trump is going to do and exactly how we are going to react to it. You act as if you know me better than I know me ... which is pretty friggin amazing since I'm nothing but a bunch of comments, so far as you know.
Oh and by the way, I never said anything about "Evil Whitey"
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:18 PM (+Fl7e)
Not in so few words, no. But that's pretty much the bulk of what you like to bleat about, lately. And you love to project a gigantic "noble savage" vibe. You're hitting on all 8 wacky cylinders.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 21, 2016 06:22 PM (zc3Db)
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Saw a blog writeup that the FBI is starting looking into the Clinton Foundation pay for play
Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2016 06:22 PM (fizMZ)
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Always loved the optimism here in the past. I'd love to see it return... Related does not mencken's quote reflect what we know to be the case re:trump he's merely the illustration of it. Be not dismayed, be of good courage!
Posted by: Gov98 at March 21, 2016 06:15 PM (If7m
7 Stages of Grief.... last two weeks were Bargaining and Anger...
This week is Depression.... stage 4...
Next week, or soon, will be the upward swing...
Posted by: Gov98 at March 21, 2016 06:15 PM (If7m
7 Stages of Grief.... last two weeks were Bargaining and Anger...
This week is Depression.... stage 4...
Next week, or soon, will be the upward swing...
Posted by: Don Quixote at March 21, 2016 06:22 PM (RK8AH)
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I am just wondering where all the Bernie supporters are going to go once their guy is out. Some of them hate Hillary as much as the conservatives do
..................
Hah-vah-nah, Coobah.
I am just wondering where all the Bernie supporters are going to go once their guy is out. Some of them hate Hillary as much as the conservatives do
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Hah-vah-nah, Coobah.
Posted by: wth at March 21, 2016 06:22 PM (HgMAr)
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I need to go ask EoJ if there are still openings in his Death's Head Squadrons.
Lord knows that I'd be worthless in the Pleasure battalions.
Lord knows that I'd be worthless in the Pleasure battalions.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 21, 2016 06:22 PM (rwI+c)
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Damn--Ted is hitting it out of the park. Nobody else comes clos
Posted by: The Wolf Who Cried Boy at March 21, 2016 06:22 PM (Ndje9)
Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 06:22 PM (HA9zO)
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He gets to say he's a conservative at parties (which
makes him different!) and then spend the next two hours building
beautiful, elegant, complex, and very impressive arguments for how that
really makes him utterly indistinguishable from a late 90s Clinton
liberal.
This never gets him laid, but he sure does feel good about it.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 06:17 PM (ubByS)
Are you kidding? TRUMP is a "late 90s Clinton liberal" with more than a sprinkling of nativism and crude boorishness thrown in.
I am actually sticking to my *conservative principles* and not engaging in these stupid tribalist games. And that makes people here (of all places!) mad, that I refuse to just follow the herd and vote for a guy whom I believe is detestable. It is revealing that you think that being anti-Trump from the right somehow makes you a closet liberal. Actually, outside of DC politicos (who have their own reasons), it makes you a principled constitutional conservative. Remember that?
makes him different!) and then spend the next two hours building
beautiful, elegant, complex, and very impressive arguments for how that
really makes him utterly indistinguishable from a late 90s Clinton
liberal.
This never gets him laid, but he sure does feel good about it.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 06:17 PM (ubByS)
Are you kidding? TRUMP is a "late 90s Clinton liberal" with more than a sprinkling of nativism and crude boorishness thrown in.
I am actually sticking to my *conservative principles* and not engaging in these stupid tribalist games. And that makes people here (of all places!) mad, that I refuse to just follow the herd and vote for a guy whom I believe is detestable. It is revealing that you think that being anti-Trump from the right somehow makes you a closet liberal. Actually, outside of DC politicos (who have their own reasons), it makes you a principled constitutional conservative. Remember that?
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:22 PM (+Fl7e)
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Wait a minute, dammit! Are we all in on "let it "burn" and SMOD, or not? Hell, we've got the perfect opportunity in front of us, right?
Posted by: kraken at March 21, 2016 06:22 PM (sdxPm)
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>>No offense, but the idea that a documented felon, responsible for the death of an ambassador, and one who took literally millions in bribes is the run away winner in the fall, against either Cruz or Trump, based on general polling in February is just nuts.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada
Welcome to the asylum.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada
Welcome to the asylum.
Posted by: Aviator at March 21, 2016 06:22 PM (c7vUv)
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No offense, but the idea that a documented felon, responsible for the
death of an ambassador, and one who took literally millions in bribes is
the run away winner in the fall, against either Cruz or Trump, based on
general polling in February is just nuts.
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I hope you're not counting on a Hillary! indictment to push Trump into the WH.... It ain't gonna happen....
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No, what I am saying is that even the most ill-informed voter knows these facts, and I don't see them coming out for her.
death of an ambassador, and one who took literally millions in bribes is
the run away winner in the fall, against either Cruz or Trump, based on
general polling in February is just nuts.
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I hope you're not counting on a Hillary! indictment to push Trump into the WH.... It ain't gonna happen....
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No, what I am saying is that even the most ill-informed voter knows these facts, and I don't see them coming out for her.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 21, 2016 06:23 PM (Qvgg/)
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Dude I agree with 90% of what you said except it is a movement, now unless I'm wrong and I very well could be, but wasn't the term cuckservative started by those who self identify as "alt-right"? I mean that was a pretty big deal from what I remember.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 06:20 PM (R5HRU)
Yeah, and it deserves to exist on the margin. Look we are the right wing. We're conservatives. There's nothing wrong with being on "the right." So WE need to push back on this "alt-right" shit harder than anyone! They have no place here and that needs to be said repeatedly.
I share your anger at these people, I just don't want to let them weasel their way onto our side of the political spectrum. They belong totally outside the conversation, in my opinion. They can say anything and everything they want to, but they can't say it under my roof.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 06:20 PM (R5HRU)
Yeah, and it deserves to exist on the margin. Look we are the right wing. We're conservatives. There's nothing wrong with being on "the right." So WE need to push back on this "alt-right" shit harder than anyone! They have no place here and that needs to be said repeatedly.
I share your anger at these people, I just don't want to let them weasel their way onto our side of the political spectrum. They belong totally outside the conversation, in my opinion. They can say anything and everything they want to, but they can't say it under my roof.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 06:23 PM (ubByS)
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...I've always wanted to be part of an ilk. Or a minion. But nobody's hiring in this economy...
The cartoon was fiction. Minions don't get paid and may or may not get room and board. Also minions are not indestructible.
The cartoon was fiction. Minions don't get paid and may or may not get room and board. Also minions are not indestructible.
Posted by: scorecard at March 21, 2016 06:23 PM (CRXed)
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Ace is so sure of Trump's defeat yet she doesn't detail Cruz's path to victory??
Ace, there comes a point when your audience isn't buying what your selling. That point on this blog was a few weeks back.
I will defend Ace on this one. Trump can be stopped but it's getting late early. And he has to be stopped fairly. And I wish all those concerned about stopping him were more concerned months ago and Bush/Rubio/ and the others had dropped out then. Stop Trump, but stop him Fairly
Ace, there comes a point when your audience isn't buying what your selling. That point on this blog was a few weeks back.
I will defend Ace on this one. Trump can be stopped but it's getting late early. And he has to be stopped fairly. And I wish all those concerned about stopping him were more concerned months ago and Bush/Rubio/ and the others had dropped out then. Stop Trump, but stop him Fairly
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 06:23 PM (mw8Dm)
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To my mind, preferring Hillary over anyone the Rs puts up is politically insane. But then again, it seems that each preezy general election is split 47:47, with 6% making the actual choice no matter the candidates. A preezy landslide consists of 55% support. TFG is currently at 51% approval rating (that's before he gets a bump for this Cuba thingy).
It's like in LA when Edwin Edwards was running for gubner; he had a bumper sticker that said
Vote For The Crook - It's Important
And he won with 80% of the vote in the general election. (Ten years in a federal prison barely slowed him down though he did lose in his comeback bid.)
Now THAT'S a landslide.
It's like in LA when Edwin Edwards was running for gubner; he had a bumper sticker that said
Vote For The Crook - It's Important
And he won with 80% of the vote in the general election. (Ten years in a federal prison barely slowed him down though he did lose in his comeback bid.)
Now THAT'S a landslide.
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 21, 2016 06:23 PM (gyKtp)
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Oh and by the way, I never said anything about "Evil Whitey"
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:18 PM (+Fl7e)
Not in so few words, no. But that's pretty much the bulk of what you like to bleat about, lately.
Oh really now. Talk about putting words in people's mouths. Please, do go on about how I supposedly blame "evil whitey" for anything....
Oh and by the way, I never said anything about "Evil Whitey"
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:18 PM (+Fl7e)
Not in so few words, no. But that's pretty much the bulk of what you like to bleat about, lately.
Oh really now. Talk about putting words in people's mouths. Please, do go on about how I supposedly blame "evil whitey" for anything....
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:23 PM (+Fl7e)
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I'm with Sherry a #142.
It cannot get any worse than it is now or with Hillary elected. The downward slide over that last 7 years? The tipping will only get more severe and the slide, faster.
Yeah, Trump is a liar. He's a politician.
Anyone think this is the first time a politician lied on the campaign trail? You must have been born at night. Last night.
Nobody is admitting to their desire to vote for Trump. They are afraid of this; the subject of the post - shaming.
I consider Cruz more "predictable" and would be my real preference, but I do not think he can beat Hillary. Both politicians, but he with lesser recognition. I don't think he will make it.
So...
Just wait until election day. Unless every illegal alien goes out to vote, Trump will Tromp!
It cannot get any worse than it is now or with Hillary elected. The downward slide over that last 7 years? The tipping will only get more severe and the slide, faster.
Yeah, Trump is a liar. He's a politician.
Anyone think this is the first time a politician lied on the campaign trail? You must have been born at night. Last night.
Nobody is admitting to their desire to vote for Trump. They are afraid of this; the subject of the post - shaming.
I consider Cruz more "predictable" and would be my real preference, but I do not think he can beat Hillary. Both politicians, but he with lesser recognition. I don't think he will make it.
So...
Just wait until election day. Unless every illegal alien goes out to vote, Trump will Tromp!
Posted by: Gunslinger at March 21, 2016 06:23 PM (4S7hN)
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"Regarding polls. I refuse to be swayed by any argument that begins with, "we can't believe the polls because..." I bought a few thousand shares of that argument in 2012. Never again."
Yes....but polls regarding the general election actually taken during the general election.
Do you believe Kasich has the better chance of defeating Hillary?
Yes....but polls regarding the general election actually taken during the general election.
Do you believe Kasich has the better chance of defeating Hillary?
Posted by: Skeezix at March 21, 2016 06:23 PM (WnCSK)
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Firstly, if Trump is close to 1237 he should be able to get some super delegates to swing his way.
Looks like Trump will win WTA Arizona tomorrow. Cruz might get over 50% in Utah. If so, Trump will still be on a glide path to 1237 outright.
At some point Cruz should pack it in. I say this Wed. If not then, then certainly after NY. If Cruz thinks he can win a brokered convention he's a fool. It'll be Romney if it isn't Trump.
Looks like Trump will win WTA Arizona tomorrow. Cruz might get over 50% in Utah. If so, Trump will still be on a glide path to 1237 outright.
At some point Cruz should pack it in. I say this Wed. If not then, then certainly after NY. If Cruz thinks he can win a brokered convention he's a fool. It'll be Romney if it isn't Trump.
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 21, 2016 06:24 PM (r1fLd)
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Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 06:23 PM (ubByS)
Ok, now that I agree with 100%. Well said.
Ok, now that I agree with 100%. Well said.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 06:24 PM (R5HRU)
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I am actually sticking to my *conservative principles* and not engaging in these stupid tribalist games. And that makes people here (of all places!) mad, that I refuse to just follow the herd and vote for a guy whom I believe is detestable. It is revealing that you think that being anti-Trump from the right somehow makes you a closet liberal. Actually, outside of DC politicos (who have their own reasons), it makes you a principled constitutional conservative. Remember that?
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:22 PM (+Fl7e)
Would you like another sidecar, cj?
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:22 PM (+Fl7e)
Would you like another sidecar, cj?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 06:24 PM (ubByS)
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I like Chem Jeff, he won't be the only person you will be hearing these arguements from. Better be ready and be persuasive. Personal insults are not persuasive as we all well know
Posted by: ThunderB at March 21, 2016 06:24 PM (zOTsN)
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Ted Cruz is totally unelectable. All it will take is making a few ads with his father babbling on about divinely ordained wealth transfers that his son is ordained to deliver and he's toast.
If that doesn't work they'll release the kraken - the preacher who talks about how god wants gays dead, and then introduces Ted.
You want an electoral blow out? Cruz is uniquely qualified to deliver one - but we all will be on the losing end.
If that doesn't work they'll release the kraken - the preacher who talks about how god wants gays dead, and then introduces Ted.
You want an electoral blow out? Cruz is uniquely qualified to deliver one - but we all will be on the losing end.
Posted by: ChicagoRefugee at March 21, 2016 06:24 PM (oiZDw)
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Ted's speach was well worth missing part of the Ghost in the Invisible Bikini (1966) on Comet
Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2016 06:25 PM (fizMZ)
Posted by: donna at March 21, 2016 06:25 PM (/dSsq)
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I will defend Ace on this one. Trump can be stopped but it's getting late early. And he has to be stopped fairly. And I wish all those concerned about stopping him were more concerned months ago and Bush/Rubio/ and the others had dropped out then. Stop Trump, but stop him Fairly
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 06:23 PM (mw8Dm)
The time for stopping Trump was fall of last year. Cruz blew it.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 06:23 PM (mw8Dm)
The time for stopping Trump was fall of last year. Cruz blew it.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at March 21, 2016 06:25 PM (dH97I)
Posted by: ThunderB at March 21, 2016 06:25 PM (zOTsN)
378
Trump could really shake up the campaign by showing up at his next public event with a buzz cut.
Could be a game changer.
Could be a game changer.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 21, 2016 06:25 PM (NeFrd)
379
Will Donald show up in Cleveland with a hairful of Wakizashi?
Posted by: DaveA at March 21, 2016 06:25 PM (DL2i+)
380
Megyn Kelly is most likely voting for Hillary no matter who the Republicans nominate. The right which abhors victim-hood status for everyone certainly screamed for it in her case. She can burn in Hell along with Fox News for all I care.
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 21, 2016 06:25 PM (hzdiH)
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Jeebus, chemjeff. "Some commenters" here call for nuking Mecca, so it becomes likely?
It's not "why not?", it's "why? and how?" that explains why we've never come close to using nukes since WWII. It's not like the Despair Meter hadn't topped out long ago, but we now have to see the "Daisy" ad re-run, this time against Trump?
And First-Rate, you can comment as you like of course, but I don't try pop psychology on ace's posts, but prefer to wrestle with the substance.
It's not "why not?", it's "why? and how?" that explains why we've never come close to using nukes since WWII. It's not like the Despair Meter hadn't topped out long ago, but we now have to see the "Daisy" ad re-run, this time against Trump?
And First-Rate, you can comment as you like of course, but I don't try pop psychology on ace's posts, but prefer to wrestle with the substance.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2016 06:25 PM (QDnY+)
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There seems to be epidemic of injured buttocks tonight.
There seems to be epidemic of injured buttocks tonight.
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 21, 2016 06:26 PM (o2321)
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I plan on voting for Trump when he's the nominee, but when he gets his ass pasted in the general, I really don't want to see the Trumpers flood the blogs and conservative sites blaming those who stayed home.
They've spent the last few months talking about how Trump was going to redraw the map and bring in millions of disaffected independents and Democrats so that those who planned on staying home wouldn't be needed anyway.
They've spent the last few months talking about how Trump was going to redraw the map and bring in millions of disaffected independents and Democrats so that those who planned on staying home wouldn't be needed anyway.
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at March 21, 2016 06:26 PM (GZ/jc)
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I think that calling Trump supporters Nazis and brownshirts is a who slaughtered 6 million Jews is really great idea which bolsters your argument .
Good for ace for letting it continue.
Good for ace for letting it continue.
Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 06:26 PM (HA9zO)
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Ok, now that I agree with 100%. Well said.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 06:24 PM (R5HRU)
For sure. It's a fine point to make. But I think it makes all the difference. We should show no quarter to racism precisely because we are the ones accused of it. I hate to see this legitimization of what is effectively a gang of 15 year olds and some sad old 4chan stalwarts building an army of twitter bots to spam "cuckservative" at people. It's asinine, and they're basement dwellers, not average conservative voters.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 06:24 PM (R5HRU)
For sure. It's a fine point to make. But I think it makes all the difference. We should show no quarter to racism precisely because we are the ones accused of it. I hate to see this legitimization of what is effectively a gang of 15 year olds and some sad old 4chan stalwarts building an army of twitter bots to spam "cuckservative" at people. It's asinine, and they're basement dwellers, not average conservative voters.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 06:26 PM (ubByS)
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As I've written before give independents a choice of Ted or Hildabeast Ted will win.
Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2016 06:26 PM (fizMZ)
387
How about blacklisting all the incumbent Republicans that support Hillary?
Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at March 21, 2016 06:26 PM (MrV8Y)
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Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:22 PM (+Fl7e)
Sticking to your principals? Never mentioned who you supported except a "Constitutional Conservative", will not commit to supporting the Republican Nominee. Makes up right wing racist boogie men.
Very impressive
Sticking to your principals? Never mentioned who you supported except a "Constitutional Conservative", will not commit to supporting the Republican Nominee. Makes up right wing racist boogie men.
Very impressive
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 06:26 PM (mw8Dm)
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>>>>Dude I agree with 90% of what you said except it is a movement, now unless I'm wrong and I very well could be, but wasn't the term cuckservative started by those who self identify as "alt-right"? I mean that was a pretty big deal from what I remember.
Also 'Can't Stump the Trump' was another alt-right original.
Also, three of Drudge's most recent hits on Cruz (gay-killin' pastor, lay on hands, the teddy bears to border children) were spammed over and over again by the alt-right as hits on Cruz months ago.
Also 'Can't Stump the Trump' was another alt-right original.
Also, three of Drudge's most recent hits on Cruz (gay-killin' pastor, lay on hands, the teddy bears to border children) were spammed over and over again by the alt-right as hits on Cruz months ago.
Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 06:27 PM (MCmqp)
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But this catastrophe is coming, in one form or the other. Either Trump is the nominee and we lose, or he's not the nominee and we also lose.
Or, God forbid, he wins the election, and then we might really lose.
________
The problem with Trump isnt "Trumpism" - the platform he basically lifted from Jeff Sessions - the real problem with Trump is Trump. His lack of self-control, his repulsive personality and as Cruz correctly pointed out, his NY values.
I think the Sessions platform can revitalize the party and the conservative movement, but if you piss off the people who are pursuadable on these issues, by robbing them of a nomination they clearly won, you will make the GOP unelectable for them in the forseeable future. Better to let Trump run and lose, if we re to lose anyway and try build on this situation afterwards by trying to persuade his supporters that the Sessions agenda isnt dead in a GOP without Trump. But the key here is to treat them fairly and not pull any shit like convention coups.
And I think its exactly that, the resistance against an agenda that motivates much of the crap thats going on: a lot of people are using Trump for cover to argue against a hard line on immigration or free trade skepticism, without having to make the argument.
I always feared that Trump would do more damage than good to the causes he embraced and those who care first and foremost about these issues and are out to oppose conventional wisdom on them have to confront the fact that they gave their adversaries free ammunition by letting a scumbag lead their cause.
Or, God forbid, he wins the election, and then we might really lose.
________
The problem with Trump isnt "Trumpism" - the platform he basically lifted from Jeff Sessions - the real problem with Trump is Trump. His lack of self-control, his repulsive personality and as Cruz correctly pointed out, his NY values.
I think the Sessions platform can revitalize the party and the conservative movement, but if you piss off the people who are pursuadable on these issues, by robbing them of a nomination they clearly won, you will make the GOP unelectable for them in the forseeable future. Better to let Trump run and lose, if we re to lose anyway and try build on this situation afterwards by trying to persuade his supporters that the Sessions agenda isnt dead in a GOP without Trump. But the key here is to treat them fairly and not pull any shit like convention coups.
And I think its exactly that, the resistance against an agenda that motivates much of the crap thats going on: a lot of people are using Trump for cover to argue against a hard line on immigration or free trade skepticism, without having to make the argument.
I always feared that Trump would do more damage than good to the causes he embraced and those who care first and foremost about these issues and are out to oppose conventional wisdom on them have to confront the fact that they gave their adversaries free ammunition by letting a scumbag lead their cause.
Posted by: The Nayden Broad at March 21, 2016 06:27 PM (0VSJ4)
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"Regarding polls. I refuse to be swayed by any argument that begins with, "we can't believe the polls because..." I bought a few thousand shares of that argument in 2012. Never again."
Hell, I was selling those shares. Never again.
Hell, I was selling those shares. Never again.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 21, 2016 06:27 PM (kBIIG)
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Robert Spencer is not supporting Trump. He thinks he's too soft on Islam.
http://tinyurl.com/jzpvbs9
http://tinyurl.com/jzpvbs9
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 21, 2016 06:27 PM (Nwg0u)
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It cannot get any worse than it is now or with Hillary elected.
Wanna bet?
You thought Republicans in Congress were spineless in their fecklessness opposing Obama's terrible ideas. And he's from the other party. Why would Republicans in Congress suddenly grow a spine in trying to stop Trump's terrible ideas, when he is from the *same* party? The pressure will be strong to just sign on to the Trump Agenda no matter how horrible it will be, because, you know, "party unity" and all that.
Wanna bet?
You thought Republicans in Congress were spineless in their fecklessness opposing Obama's terrible ideas. And he's from the other party. Why would Republicans in Congress suddenly grow a spine in trying to stop Trump's terrible ideas, when he is from the *same* party? The pressure will be strong to just sign on to the Trump Agenda no matter how horrible it will be, because, you know, "party unity" and all that.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:27 PM (+Fl7e)
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Anyone using a Hitler reference needs to study WWII and get their head knocked up.
Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2016 06:28 PM (fizMZ)
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I have yet to encounter a Trump supporter worth trying to reason with; capable of being reasoned with;
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Markham, at least half the Horde, if not more, support Trump. Doesn't that seem like an overly broad brush to say none are worth reasoning with?
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Markham, at least half the Horde, if not more, support Trump. Doesn't that seem like an overly broad brush to say none are worth reasoning with?
Posted by: @votermom at March 21, 2016 06:28 PM (cbfNE)
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>>>Even in defeat, he would still come out ahead of Cruz.
And who gives a fuck?
This is why I will vote for Hilliary Clinton(multiple times if possible). Out of sheer spite and to see all the sad faces. Amazing how obnoxious and toxic the plurality of the base can drive away votes of the others it will do desperately need in November. Keep it up.
And who gives a fuck?
This is why I will vote for Hilliary Clinton(multiple times if possible). Out of sheer spite and to see all the sad faces. Amazing how obnoxious and toxic the plurality of the base can drive away votes of the others it will do desperately need in November. Keep it up.
Posted by: Arson Wells at March 21, 2016 06:28 PM (/E+t2)
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Sticking to your principals? Never mentioned who you supported except a
"Constitutional Conservative", will not commit to supporting the
Republican Nominee.
That is *exactly* sticking to my principles. I support ideas first and foremost, people secondarily.
And the "alt-right" is not a right-wing bogeyman. They actually exist.
"Constitutional Conservative", will not commit to supporting the
Republican Nominee.
That is *exactly* sticking to my principles. I support ideas first and foremost, people secondarily.
And the "alt-right" is not a right-wing bogeyman. They actually exist.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:28 PM (+Fl7e)
398
TRUMP is a "late 90s Clinton liberal"
Posted by: chemjeff
Thought TRUMP was a mid-30s Hitlerian Fascist?
I must not be getting cc'd on all the emails.
TRUMP is a "late 90s Clinton liberal"
Posted by: chemjeff
Thought TRUMP was a mid-30s Hitlerian Fascist?
I must not be getting cc'd on all the emails.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 21, 2016 06:29 PM (kdS6q)
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So the GOP, with lots of support apparently, is abandoning the idea of a 'big tent', in favor of a very small tent, open to those with the proper credentials only?
I really don't see a path to victory in this approach.
I really don't see a path to victory in this approach.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 21, 2016 06:29 PM (0IhFx)
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but we now have to see the "Daisy" ad re-run, this time against Trump?
This time in full HD color with CGI effects galore.
but we now have to see the "Daisy" ad re-run, this time against Trump?
This time in full HD color with CGI effects galore.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 21, 2016 06:29 PM (FkBIv)
401
All Trump supporters:
1. A poll in 1980 between Reagan and Carter was wrong (actually Reagan also had far less name ID and far less unfavorables- while Trump is already known and widely hated- ie people that you can't change now. but i digress).
2. Therefore all polls and data are wrong forever.
3. Therefore I can safely ignore all data and create wild fantasy based tales based on my own preferences.
1. A poll in 1980 between Reagan and Carter was wrong (actually Reagan also had far less name ID and far less unfavorables- while Trump is already known and widely hated- ie people that you can't change now. but i digress).
2. Therefore all polls and data are wrong forever.
3. Therefore I can safely ignore all data and create wild fantasy based tales based on my own preferences.
Posted by: bob at March 21, 2016 06:29 PM (wROs3)
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If you and your ilk are responsible through your temper tantrums for handing the election to her majesty, it will be on your heads and your heads alone -- not Trump and his supporters, because they will have won the nomination fair and square.
Posted by: tommylotto at March 21, 2016 06:15 PM (A3a8d)
I saw this coming a mile away. Trump and his supporters will never own the loss if he loses as cataclysmically as polls suggest. It'll be our fault, those of us who didn't recognize Donald Trump's true greatness. And then, because Trump is old, he'll die a few years from now, cursing us for our non-support with his dying breath and wishing Megyn Kelly had seen his tweets for what they really were: love letters, desperate cries for love and attention from a woman who would give him neither.
Tragic, really. Kinda sorta like Citizen Kane.
Posted by: tommylotto at March 21, 2016 06:15 PM (A3a8d)
I saw this coming a mile away. Trump and his supporters will never own the loss if he loses as cataclysmically as polls suggest. It'll be our fault, those of us who didn't recognize Donald Trump's true greatness. And then, because Trump is old, he'll die a few years from now, cursing us for our non-support with his dying breath and wishing Megyn Kelly had seen his tweets for what they really were: love letters, desperate cries for love and attention from a woman who would give him neither.
Tragic, really. Kinda sorta like Citizen Kane.
Posted by: troyriser at March 21, 2016 06:29 PM (Au69S)
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"how Trump was going to redraw the map and bring in millions of disaffected independents and Democrats so that those who planned on staying home wouldn't be needed anyway."
Who said that? The point is to expand the map and add to the existing base. If large groups stay home, we will lose regardless of who the nominee is.
Who said that? The point is to expand the map and add to the existing base. If large groups stay home, we will lose regardless of who the nominee is.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 21, 2016 06:29 PM (WnCSK)
404
Trump could really shake up the campaign by showing up at his next public event with a buzz cut.
Could be a game changer.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon
..............................
and Megyn could shave her head and interview him. What ratings!
Trump could really shake up the campaign by showing up at his next public event with a buzz cut.
Could be a game changer.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon
..............................
and Megyn could shave her head and interview him. What ratings!
Posted by: wth at March 21, 2016 06:29 PM (HgMAr)
Posted by: eleven at March 21, 2016 06:29 PM (qUNWi)
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I have yet to encounter a Trump supporter worth trying to reason with; capable of being reasoned with
Really? Even with all your charm?
I have yet to encounter a Trump supporter worth trying to reason with; capable of being reasoned with
Really? Even with all your charm?
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 21, 2016 06:29 PM (o2321)
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"Regarding polls. I refuse to be swayed by any argument that begins with, "we can't believe the polls because..." I bought a few thousand shares of that argument in 2012. Never again."
Hell, I was selling those shares. Never again.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 21, 2016 06:27 PM (kBIIG)
Me too. That was beyond brutal.
Hell, I was selling those shares. Never again.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 21, 2016 06:27 PM (kBIIG)
Me too. That was beyond brutal.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 06:29 PM (ubByS)
408
D. Trump CRUSHED it out of the ballpark at AIPAC
Posted by: blogforce one at March 21, 2016 06:29 PM (w+dt7)
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Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:27 PM (+Fl7e)
Disagree. Rush made a great point on this he basically said if you wanna see an opposition party let Cruz or Trump be elected.
I tend to agree, the GOPe crushes those who actually you know, stand for being a Republican conservative.
Disagree. Rush made a great point on this he basically said if you wanna see an opposition party let Cruz or Trump be elected.
I tend to agree, the GOPe crushes those who actually you know, stand for being a Republican conservative.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 06:29 PM (R5HRU)
410
From a site that I linked this morning the word was the FBI is confident that they have enough evidence to indict Scankles. The further word was the only reason she will not be indicted and charged is because Obama will not permit it. And that if he keeps that up the FBI director will resign.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 21, 2016 06:30 PM (t2KH5)
411
You folks could put a conspiracy guy out of business, no really, I guess I can take the week off. And to think I was the only one.
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at March 21, 2016 06:30 PM (A2j/X)
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Let me make sure I've got this right, I either have to promise to support Trump because he is likely to be the Republican nominee or I am a traitor that needs to get out of your party?
Fine. You've convinced me. I'm out of your party.
Fine. You've convinced me. I'm out of your party.
Posted by: Damiano at March 21, 2016 06:30 PM (XItbt)
413
but when he gets his ass pasted in the general, I really don't want to
see the Trumpers flood the blogs and conservative sites blaming those
who stayed home.
Oh I'm sure the Trumpsters will be graceful in defeat.... <sarc>
see the Trumpers flood the blogs and conservative sites blaming those
who stayed home.
Oh I'm sure the Trumpsters will be graceful in defeat.... <sarc>
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:30 PM (+Fl7e)
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@201 "... What would stop a President Trump from nuking Mecca? His sense of shame?"
So, summarizing ... Trump responds to Rubio's stupid joking about small hands with another joke, and some other guy that Trump probably doesn't even know exists wants to nuke Mecca, so THAT proves that Trump's unstable, and the guy who brags about getting people to come together and make wants deals REALLY secretly wants to nuke Mecca.
Now - to reiterate, and to be clear - he's saying that TRUMP is the crazy one, and apparently perfect serious about this.
So, summarizing ... Trump responds to Rubio's stupid joking about small hands with another joke, and some other guy that Trump probably doesn't even know exists wants to nuke Mecca, so THAT proves that Trump's unstable, and the guy who brags about getting people to come together and make wants deals REALLY secretly wants to nuke Mecca.
Now - to reiterate, and to be clear - he's saying that TRUMP is the crazy one, and apparently perfect serious about this.
Posted by: Optimizer at March 21, 2016 06:30 PM (/q6+P)
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Thought TRUMP was a mid-30s Hitlerian Fascist?
I must not be getting cc'd on all the emails.
He's a floor wax AND a dessert topping!
I must not be getting cc'd on all the emails.
He's a floor wax AND a dessert topping!
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 21, 2016 06:30 PM (8ZskC)
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the term cuckservative started by those who self identify as "alt-right"?
Also 'Can't Stump the Trump' was another alt-right original.
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At thats just some jerks jerkin' to anime.
Why can't "brilliant" Conservative, Inc. come up with anything useful?
Also 'Can't Stump the Trump' was another alt-right original.
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At thats just some jerks jerkin' to anime.
Why can't "brilliant" Conservative, Inc. come up with anything useful?
Posted by: RioBravo at March 21, 2016 06:30 PM (NUqwG)
Posted by: eleven at March 21, 2016 06:30 PM (qUNWi)
418
This is why I will vote for Hilliary Clinton(multiple times if possible). Out of sheer spite and to see all the sad faces.
Posted by: Arson Wells at March 21, 2016 06:28 PM (/E+t2)
Knock yourself out. Nobody cares who you're voting for.
Posted by: Arson Wells at March 21, 2016 06:28 PM (/E+t2)
Knock yourself out. Nobody cares who you're voting for.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 21, 2016 06:30 PM (zc3Db)
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Let me make sure I've got this right, I either have to promise to
support Trump because he is likely to be the Republican nominee or I am a
traitor that needs to get out of your party?
Evidently, if you don't blindly follow whatever candidate the Republican party throws up, then you "lack principles"
support Trump because he is likely to be the Republican nominee or I am a
traitor that needs to get out of your party?
Evidently, if you don't blindly follow whatever candidate the Republican party throws up, then you "lack principles"
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:30 PM (+Fl7e)
420
And the "alt-right" is not a right-wing bogeyman. They actually exist.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:28 PM (+Fl7e)
Yes they exist, I'm not saying they don't, I'm saying don't do them the privilege of referring to them as "right wing."
They are scum.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:28 PM (+Fl7e)
Yes they exist, I'm not saying they don't, I'm saying don't do them the privilege of referring to them as "right wing."
They are scum.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 06:30 PM (ubByS)
421
"3. Therefore I can safely ignore all data and create wild fantasy based tales based on my own preferences."
So you're a Cruz voter????
So you're a Cruz voter????
Posted by: Skeezix at March 21, 2016 06:30 PM (WnCSK)
422
I have yet to encounter a Trump supporter worth trying to reason with; capable of being reasoned with;
Yeah , us daughter-humpin meth-addicted hillbillies can't keep up with the brilliance of your intellect.
Yeah , us daughter-humpin meth-addicted hillbillies can't keep up with the brilliance of your intellect.
Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 06:30 PM (HA9zO)
423
And the "alt-right" is not a right-wing bogeyman. They actually exist.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:28 PM (+Fl7e)
And I am still waiting for examples. Names I want you to name names...It can even be dead people.
And all the bad things and demonstrations they have held?
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:28 PM (+Fl7e)
And I am still waiting for examples. Names I want you to name names...It can even be dead people.
And all the bad things and demonstrations they have held?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 06:30 PM (mw8Dm)
424
If the elites get the opportunity to pull the nominee out of their asses at the convention, do you think they're going to pick Ted Cruz?? No effing way.
Posted by: Hector's Inflatable WIfe at March 21, 2016 06:30 PM (cJDvr)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 06:31 PM (ubByS)
426
Anyone using a Hitler reference needs to study WWII and get their head knocked up.
That was when those German guys lost the Ark of the Covenant and got their faces melted, right?
That was when those German guys lost the Ark of the Covenant and got their faces melted, right?
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 21, 2016 06:31 PM (6FqZa)
427
Meh, if Trump nukes Mecca I hope he does it during the haj. And that he nukes Medina too.
Posted by: @votermom at March 21, 2016 06:31 PM (cbfNE)
428
This is why I will vote for Hilliary Clinton(multiple times if possible). Out of sheer spite and to see all the sad faces.
I won't haz a sad face. You'll have killed your party. That'll give me happy face.
This is why I will vote for Hilliary Clinton(multiple times if possible). Out of sheer spite and to see all the sad faces.
I won't haz a sad face. You'll have killed your party. That'll give me happy face.
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 21, 2016 06:31 PM (o2321)
429
Ace, I haven't yet read the comments, but it must be the party of new ideas. It's the only way forward.
Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 21, 2016 06:31 PM (/WPPJ)
430
Meh, if Trump nukes Mecca I hope he does it during the haj. And that he nukes Medina too.
Posted by: @votermom at March 21, 2016 06:31 PM (cbfNE)
have I mentioned today
How lucky I am
To comment here with youuuu
Posted by: @votermom at March 21, 2016 06:31 PM (cbfNE)
have I mentioned today
How lucky I am
To comment here with youuuu
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 06:31 PM (ubByS)
431
If the elites get the opportunity to pull the nominee out of their asses at the convention, do you think they're going to pick Ted Cruz?? No effing way.
If he doesn't win 1237, forget it, and that's more than a longshot.
If he doesn't win 1237, forget it, and that's more than a longshot.
Posted by: Hector's Inflatable WIfe at March 21, 2016 06:32 PM (cJDvr)
432
There seems to be epidemic of injured buttocks tonight.
................
Last night too. Naked and Afraid was on. Lots of bugs and slippery rocks.
There seems to be epidemic of injured buttocks tonight.
................
Last night too. Naked and Afraid was on. Lots of bugs and slippery rocks.
Posted by: wth at March 21, 2016 06:32 PM (HgMAr)
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Yeah, and it deserves to exist on the margin. Look we are the right wing. We're conservatives. There's nothing wrong with being on "the right." So WE need to push back on this "alt-right" shit harder than anyone! They have no place here and that needs to be said repeatedly.
Oh, so that's what you're trying to do with the label.
I think that's doomed to failure, but I'm not going to stop you.
Oh, so that's what you're trying to do with the label.
I think that's doomed to failure, but I'm not going to stop you.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 06:32 PM (uURQL)
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Nothing kari, I'm on call until tomorrow.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 06:32 PM (R5HRU)
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Clinton wins, we lose the second amendment.
Not buying this one either. They pass something, get at best 15% compliance and lose massively in 2018.
Not buying this one either. They pass something, get at best 15% compliance and lose massively in 2018.
Posted by: DaveA at March 21, 2016 06:32 PM (DL2i+)
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ChemJeff's (only) argument is that our 'Murican principles require us to be happy and proud to turn the nation our ancestors fought and died for over to unassimilatable minorities who hate us.
In a nutshell ....
In a nutshell ....
Posted by: ChicagoRefugee at March 21, 2016 06:32 PM (oiZDw)
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I think that calling Trump supporters Nazis and brownshirts is a who slaughtered 6 million Jews is really great idea which bolsters your argument .
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Glenn Beck says that if Trump is elected, we will have blood on our hands.
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Glenn Beck says that if Trump is elected, we will have blood on our hands.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 21, 2016 06:32 PM (Nwg0u)
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It's getting more obvious every day that the establishment lane didn't disappear when Rubio folded. They just moved on to the only viable establishment candidate left - Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: Optimizer at March 21, 2016 06:32 PM (/q6+P)
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This is why I will vote for Hilliary Clinton(multiple times if possible). Out of sheer spite and to see all the sad faces.
posted by Arson Wells
Line drawn. Message received.
Sleep tight.
This is why I will vote for Hilliary Clinton(multiple times if possible). Out of sheer spite and to see all the sad faces.
posted by Arson Wells
Line drawn. Message received.
Sleep tight.
Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 06:33 PM (HA9zO)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 21, 2016 06:33 PM (FkBIv)
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And I am still waiting for examples. Names I want you to name names...It can even be dead people.
And all the bad things and demonstrations they have held?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 06:30 PM (mw8Dm)
I gave you evidence, websites, names. You just keep shifting the goalposts. Whatever man.
And I am still waiting for examples. Names I want you to name names...It can even be dead people.
And all the bad things and demonstrations they have held?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 06:30 PM (mw8Dm)
I gave you evidence, websites, names. You just keep shifting the goalposts. Whatever man.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:33 PM (+Fl7e)
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Yes they exist, I'm not saying they don't, I'm saying don't do them the privilege of referring to them as "right wing."
How well has unpersoning worked for the left in ending the existence of the right?
How well has unpersoning worked for the left in ending the existence of the right?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 06:33 PM (uURQL)
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@439 "... Glenn Beck says that if Trump is elected, we will have blood on our hands."
Because TRUMP is the unhinged crazy one, you see.
Because TRUMP is the unhinged crazy one, you see.
Posted by: Optimizer at March 21, 2016 06:34 PM (/q6+P)
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I want to have a party of old ideas, the ones that worked, the ones that made us the richest freest country in the history of man.
That's why I'm always disappointed.
That's why I'm always disappointed.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 21, 2016 06:34 PM (rwI+c)
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Meh, if Trump nukes Mecca I hope he does it during the haj. And that he nukes Medina too.
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If that is all he did, it would be worth it. We are going to have to go to war with mahommedism at some point, or else be slaughtered.
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If that is all he did, it would be worth it. We are going to have to go to war with mahommedism at some point, or else be slaughtered.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 21, 2016 06:34 PM (Qvgg/)
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This is why the Republican party is the sorry sack of shit it is today -- look at how fast some of you switch sides.
This is why the Republican party is the sorry sack of shit it is today -- look at how fast some of you switch sides.
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 21, 2016 06:34 PM (o2321)
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"Trump and his supporters will never own the loss if he loses as cataclysmically as polls suggest."
I won't blame anyone.
What else you got? Rubio is a spineless Rent Boy. Cruz is truly unelectable in the general. Kasich would make a great Democrat candidate -- I mean that.
Bring back Romney?
I won't blame anyone.
What else you got? Rubio is a spineless Rent Boy. Cruz is truly unelectable in the general. Kasich would make a great Democrat candidate -- I mean that.
Bring back Romney?
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 21, 2016 06:34 PM (r1fLd)
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380 Trump could really shake up the campaign by showing up at his next public event with a buzz cut.
Could be a game changer.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 21, 2016 06:25 PM (NeFrd)
He needs to couple this with a vow of conversion to conservatism.
Trump takes a vow, declares Cruz his VP, publicly shaves his head (I'll take a buzz cut) and goes through ritual purification so he can enter the Temple, and I'm on board.
Could be a game changer.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 21, 2016 06:25 PM (NeFrd)
He needs to couple this with a vow of conversion to conservatism.
Trump takes a vow, declares Cruz his VP, publicly shaves his head (I'll take a buzz cut) and goes through ritual purification so he can enter the Temple, and I'm on board.
Posted by: TexasDan at March 21, 2016 06:34 PM (pllgW)
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...Trump into the WH...
The shit is hitting the fan now. That is why Trump is getting the votes.
Two Navy ships that are commonly considered floating coffins, not fighting ships, have most probably been put out of action by members of their crew. I would guess those crew members did so because they think a war could break out at any time.
(according to zerohedge) Normal people are selling stocks. The buyers are the public companies themselves. Company borrows money at zero percent and buys it stock. How long can that go on?
The Fed has to raise rates. According to Obama everything is great. We have full employment (4.9% unemployment). All the other published GDP numbers look good too. So do China's. I suspect for the same reason.
Potemkin village USA.
The shit is hitting the fan now. That is why Trump is getting the votes.
Two Navy ships that are commonly considered floating coffins, not fighting ships, have most probably been put out of action by members of their crew. I would guess those crew members did so because they think a war could break out at any time.
(according to zerohedge) Normal people are selling stocks. The buyers are the public companies themselves. Company borrows money at zero percent and buys it stock. How long can that go on?
The Fed has to raise rates. According to Obama everything is great. We have full employment (4.9% unemployment). All the other published GDP numbers look good too. So do China's. I suspect for the same reason.
Potemkin village USA.
Posted by: scorecard at March 21, 2016 06:34 PM (CRXed)
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I gave you evidence, websites, names. You just keep shifting the goalposts. Whatever man.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:33 PM (+Fl7e)
You gave me a bullshit article in the Weekly Standard that said nothing and a name of a person who means nothing. Do you live in Orlando?
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:33 PM (+Fl7e)
You gave me a bullshit article in the Weekly Standard that said nothing and a name of a person who means nothing. Do you live in Orlando?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 06:34 PM (mw8Dm)
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Ace, I agree with your assessment of Trump. He is an unstable, unprincipled child, and frankly, I am appalled he has such a large and devoted following in the party. (Note, I do not refer to those who view him as an agent of SMOD, although I do think they may not like what they get.)
But I have to disagree with you on a couple of things:
1. Why I think that it is most likely he would lose big to Hillary, not least because he refuses to speak beyond vague slogans and Hillary will appear competent and sane next to him in a debate setting, I do not put as much stake as you do in polls predicting an event so far in the future. Things change.
2. I do not agree that the GOP should engage in shenanigans just because they don't want him to win. If he wins fair and square, so be it. I am not throwing away my principles for people who are responsible for the phenomenon of Trump in the first place.
3. This is more of a personal preference. I am still currently committed to voting for Trump in the general because I Stand By and Watch Hillary's Long Trail of perfidious activities , including negligent homicide of people she was responsible for, rewarded with the presidency. My dislike of Trump is surpassed only by my absolute loathing for Hillary and what she represents. Having said that, people always talk about not being obligated to vote for the GOP nominee , so if you can't bring yourself to vote for Trump, I get that as he really is unbelievable. But I urge you to remember who Hillary Clinton is. For me, if there's a chance to stop her, no matter how remote Kama I'll take it.
But I have to disagree with you on a couple of things:
1. Why I think that it is most likely he would lose big to Hillary, not least because he refuses to speak beyond vague slogans and Hillary will appear competent and sane next to him in a debate setting, I do not put as much stake as you do in polls predicting an event so far in the future. Things change.
2. I do not agree that the GOP should engage in shenanigans just because they don't want him to win. If he wins fair and square, so be it. I am not throwing away my principles for people who are responsible for the phenomenon of Trump in the first place.
3. This is more of a personal preference. I am still currently committed to voting for Trump in the general because I Stand By and Watch Hillary's Long Trail of perfidious activities , including negligent homicide of people she was responsible for, rewarded with the presidency. My dislike of Trump is surpassed only by my absolute loathing for Hillary and what she represents. Having said that, people always talk about not being obligated to vote for the GOP nominee , so if you can't bring yourself to vote for Trump, I get that as he really is unbelievable. But I urge you to remember who Hillary Clinton is. For me, if there's a chance to stop her, no matter how remote Kama I'll take it.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 21, 2016 06:34 PM (L7t0A)
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For me, it comes down to who would make the least destructive loser.
When Trump loses, it will be in a landslide. And the media, Dems (BIRM,) and GOPe will spin that as a popular mandate for open borders and moar Muslims pleez. They will seize the moment.
When a GOPer loses, it will be spun ---- correctly in this case--- as the fault of all the conservatives who stayed home. The lesson is that you can't win without us. It gives us a tiny bit of clout.
(Of course, there is the possibility, however slim, that a GOPer or Cruz could win, denying the Bitch of Benghazi her dream. But I'm not optimistic.)
When Trump loses, it will be in a landslide. And the media, Dems (BIRM,) and GOPe will spin that as a popular mandate for open borders and moar Muslims pleez. They will seize the moment.
When a GOPer loses, it will be spun ---- correctly in this case--- as the fault of all the conservatives who stayed home. The lesson is that you can't win without us. It gives us a tiny bit of clout.
(Of course, there is the possibility, however slim, that a GOPer or Cruz could win, denying the Bitch of Benghazi her dream. But I'm not optimistic.)
Posted by: Margarita who wishes she drank more at March 21, 2016 06:34 PM (T/5A0)
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I like Beck. He's very good at history and progressive hunting.
It's tough to listen to him lately even though I agree Trump is not my guy. The hyperbole is over the top though.
It's tough to listen to him lately even though I agree Trump is not my guy. The hyperbole is over the top though.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 06:34 PM (R5HRU)
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>>>I won't haz a sad face
Happy face goes good with pants shitting. At least you're an optimist.
Happy face goes good with pants shitting. At least you're an optimist.
Posted by: Arson Wells at March 21, 2016 06:35 PM (/E+t2)
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Robert Spencer is not supporting Trump. He thinks he's too soft on Islam. http://tinyurl.com/jzpvbs9Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks
I like RS. Read (past tense) him for years. I get him, he's correct about Islam. But I can't imagine any candidate who would get the RS seal of approval.
RS is the guy who says the sky is falling. Okay, he's correct. But if he can't see that DT is one of only two candidates with an answer, I don't know what he wants. He's not being helpful.
I like RS. Read (past tense) him for years. I get him, he's correct about Islam. But I can't imagine any candidate who would get the RS seal of approval.
RS is the guy who says the sky is falling. Okay, he's correct. But if he can't see that DT is one of only two candidates with an answer, I don't know what he wants. He's not being helpful.
Posted by: mega machines at March 21, 2016 06:35 PM (fbovC)
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In a nutshell ....
Posted by: ChicagoRefugee at March 21, 2016 06:32 PM (oiZDw)
Cuckservative.
America exists to bring up the offspring of some other nation.
Posted by: ChicagoRefugee at March 21, 2016 06:32 PM (oiZDw)
Cuckservative.
America exists to bring up the offspring of some other nation.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 06:35 PM (uURQL)
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I long for the days when our enemies were afraid of us and longed to curry our favor
Posted by: ThunderB at March 21, 2016 06:35 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Skeezix at March 21, 2016 06:35 PM (WnCSK)
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Until he's the nominee I have no reason to support Trump.
Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2016 06:35 PM (fizMZ)
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No one is obligated to vote for anyone and their choice to not vote for Trump is none of my business.
I urge folks to vote for the person or farm animal they want in office.
Screaming blame at each other is silly.
I urge folks to vote for the person or farm animal they want in office.
Screaming blame at each other is silly.
Posted by: eman at March 21, 2016 06:35 PM (Jd5BD)
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And the "alt-right" is not a right-wing bogeyman. They actually exist.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:28 PM (+Fl7e)
Oooooooohhhh .... In what numbers? Lots of things "exist". It doesn't mean they are consequential or matter.
And the alt-right goblins that you see crawling around in the dark are nothing compared to the left and their very public race-based policies and laws. And the left's biggest problem is not so much that they are race-obsessed but that they are race-obsessed in the dumbest and most incorrect ways possible - reparations, you know. Yeah ... you know.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:28 PM (+Fl7e)
Oooooooohhhh .... In what numbers? Lots of things "exist". It doesn't mean they are consequential or matter.
And the alt-right goblins that you see crawling around in the dark are nothing compared to the left and their very public race-based policies and laws. And the left's biggest problem is not so much that they are race-obsessed but that they are race-obsessed in the dumbest and most incorrect ways possible - reparations, you know. Yeah ... you know.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 21, 2016 06:36 PM (zc3Db)
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I gave you evidence, websites, names. You just keep shifting the goalposts. Whatever man.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:33 PM (+Fl7e)
You gave me a bullshit article in the Weekly Standard that said nothing and a name of a person who means nothing. Do you live in Orlando?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 06:34 PM (mw8Dm)
your whole evidence of right wing racists is one article and a guy named spencer? LMAO
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:33 PM (+Fl7e)
You gave me a bullshit article in the Weekly Standard that said nothing and a name of a person who means nothing. Do you live in Orlando?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 06:34 PM (mw8Dm)
your whole evidence of right wing racists is one article and a guy named spencer? LMAO
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 06:36 PM (mw8Dm)
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If the elites get the opportunity to pull the nominee out of their asses at the convention, do you think they're going to pick Ted Cruz?? No effing way.
The remaing primaries favors Trump and Kasich.Kasich has a good chance of winning Ca andcould pass Cruz in delegates when its over.Kasich will be the establishment pick
If the elites get the opportunity to pull the nominee out of their asses at the convention, do you think they're going to pick Ted Cruz?? No effing way.
The remaing primaries favors Trump and Kasich.Kasich has a good chance of winning Ca andcould pass Cruz in delegates when its over.Kasich will be the establishment pick
Posted by: flawless male logic at March 21, 2016 06:36 PM (lKyWE)
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I haven't yet read the comments, but it must be the party of new ideas. It's the only way forward.
The old ideas were pretty good. Too bad they were abandoned.
I haven't yet read the comments, but it must be the party of new ideas. It's the only way forward.
The old ideas were pretty good. Too bad they were abandoned.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 21, 2016 06:36 PM (FkBIv)
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I don't fell any dislike or antipathy towards Trump fans. I've actually heard a number of well thought out, albeit delusional, arguments in his favor from them.
Never assume your political rivals are stupid.
Never assume your political rivals are stupid.
Posted by: Max Power at March 21, 2016 06:37 PM (q177U)
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When a GOPer loses, it will be spun ---- correctly in this case--- as the fault of all the conservatives who stayed home. The lesson is that you can't win without us. It gives us a tiny bit of clout.
Posted by: Margarita who wishes she drank more
Hi!
Posted by: The 2012 Election Results
Ditto!
Posted by: The 2008 Election Results
When a GOPer loses, it will be spun ---- correctly in this case--- as the fault of all the conservatives who stayed home. The lesson is that you can't win without us. It gives us a tiny bit of clout.
Posted by: Margarita who wishes she drank more
Hi!
Posted by: The 2012 Election Results
Ditto!
Posted by: The 2008 Election Results
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 21, 2016 06:37 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 21, 2016 06:37 PM (L7t0A)
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Why not blacklist those who support Trump? That's what the GOPe is doing to Cruz supporters already. Bastages.
Posted by: Eromero at March 21, 2016 06:37 PM (zLDYs)
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@17: "Paris With Love is a fun movie and Travolta was great"
One Night In Paris is a fun movie, and I was great!
One Night In Paris is a fun movie, and I was great!
Posted by: Rick Solomon at March 21, 2016 06:37 PM (rznWS)
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>>>>Two Navy ships that are commonly considered floating coffins, not fighting ships, have most probably been put out of action by members of their crew. I would guess those crew members did so because they think a war could break out at any time.
What's this about? I haven't heard of this incident.
What's this about? I haven't heard of this incident.
Posted by: Josephistan at March 21, 2016 06:38 PM (7qAYi)
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Party of Freedom.
Because people around the world who aren't free hate us for our freedom, or something.
Because people around the world who aren't free hate us for our freedom, or something.
Posted by: Max Power at March 21, 2016 06:38 PM (q177U)
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Glenn Beck says that if Trump is elected, we will have blood on our hands.
Glenn Beck. Well, okay then!
Glenn Beck. Well, okay then!
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 21, 2016 06:38 PM (8ZskC)
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With all due respect Mr. Ace, third party is never a good idea. Unless the intent is to kill the GOP.
Posted by: cdajoe at March 21, 2016 06:38 PM (s8wFP)
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If the elites get the opportunity to pull the nominee out of their asses at the convention, do you think they're going to pick Ted Cruz?? No effing way.
My worry is that a lot of Cruz's support, since Florida, is closet Rubio support. And by "worry" I mean, "observation", since I was at the Boulder county caucus *and* the assembly, and I saw all those sleazeballs who voted for Rubio then vote for Cruz on an "anyone but Trump" basis. (Admittedly Boulder County is not a representative sample of Colorado let alone the GOP base as a whole.)
I could see Trump falling short and then a faction of "Cruz's" delegates turn around and shaft him in the back.
If that happens I hope Cruz's base of support flips to Trump because the GOP will deserve to burn in that case.
My worry is that a lot of Cruz's support, since Florida, is closet Rubio support. And by "worry" I mean, "observation", since I was at the Boulder county caucus *and* the assembly, and I saw all those sleazeballs who voted for Rubio then vote for Cruz on an "anyone but Trump" basis. (Admittedly Boulder County is not a representative sample of Colorado let alone the GOP base as a whole.)
I could see Trump falling short and then a faction of "Cruz's" delegates turn around and shaft him in the back.
If that happens I hope Cruz's base of support flips to Trump because the GOP will deserve to burn in that case.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 21, 2016 06:38 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 21, 2016 06:38 PM (r1fLd)
Posted by: ustuplay at March 21, 2016 06:39 PM (olvG6)
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Ace....
Stop listening to Glenn Beck because you are starting to sound like him. Trump is safe with the bomb. For one most of his properties are in major American cities. The guy wants a statue, and if he does what he says he will do he might get one. You don't get statues for getting America nuked.
Trump may say some incoherent things sometimes, I will give you that. Glenn Beck on the other hand is sounding more like complete lunatic waiting for his chance to set up a religious compound in some South American country. It annoys me more that Cruz keeps using him as his spokesman, and that Cruz seems to be close to him (going all the way back the Teddy Bears for illegal tots days).
I think you should step away from kool aide and calm down. Trump is not crazy, and he is not dangerous. He is a needed remedy and like some drugs that cure the patient, they can be rather rough on the patient.
Did you really think political revolutions would be easy and nice? That is what we are going through now, and instead of being pessimistic, be optimistic. This is coming from a guy (me) who still thinks this will end in a real live civil war at some point down the road.
However, it is a war (political or real) I believe patriotic Americans will win. Trump is likely not even going to be leading it in the end when it is all over and settled, he is just the opening act in a decade or more fight. Instead of freaking out about Trump, put your mind to what is to follow no matter who wins this election. One thing is clear much of GOP leadership must go. They are not patriots, and they are useless leaders who won't America in a revolutionary period. For example see Sen. Flake with Obama in Cuba, looking for more of that good old free trade!
Reagan did not think free trading with the USSR was a good idea...I know that for sure. Even capitalism has its limits, like national security. Sad the modern GOP does not understand that, but that is reality and they will have to change or go.
Stop listening to Glenn Beck because you are starting to sound like him. Trump is safe with the bomb. For one most of his properties are in major American cities. The guy wants a statue, and if he does what he says he will do he might get one. You don't get statues for getting America nuked.
Trump may say some incoherent things sometimes, I will give you that. Glenn Beck on the other hand is sounding more like complete lunatic waiting for his chance to set up a religious compound in some South American country. It annoys me more that Cruz keeps using him as his spokesman, and that Cruz seems to be close to him (going all the way back the Teddy Bears for illegal tots days).
I think you should step away from kool aide and calm down. Trump is not crazy, and he is not dangerous. He is a needed remedy and like some drugs that cure the patient, they can be rather rough on the patient.
Did you really think political revolutions would be easy and nice? That is what we are going through now, and instead of being pessimistic, be optimistic. This is coming from a guy (me) who still thinks this will end in a real live civil war at some point down the road.
However, it is a war (political or real) I believe patriotic Americans will win. Trump is likely not even going to be leading it in the end when it is all over and settled, he is just the opening act in a decade or more fight. Instead of freaking out about Trump, put your mind to what is to follow no matter who wins this election. One thing is clear much of GOP leadership must go. They are not patriots, and they are useless leaders who won't America in a revolutionary period. For example see Sen. Flake with Obama in Cuba, looking for more of that good old free trade!
Reagan did not think free trading with the USSR was a good idea...I know that for sure. Even capitalism has its limits, like national security. Sad the modern GOP does not understand that, but that is reality and they will have to change or go.
Posted by: William Eaton at March 21, 2016 06:39 PM (q52Ma)
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Perhaps a reading from brother Newt [Gingrich], who is apparently a wild-eyed, Kool-Aid drinking sucker would be helpful. In a recent interview he explained:
'Look, Shaun, [smiling] you have to have SOME sympathy here. ... [laughing] This is like a sitcom! They deeply dislike Cruz, and they are deeply afraid of Trump. And so, they're sitting around ... I mean, NONE of these establishment types, back a year ago, if you had said to them, "We're going to get down to Ted Cruz vs. Donald Trump", they would have all said you'd lost your mind!
NOW they're losing THEIR minds, because the objective reality is, you're either going to get Senator Cruz, who's, I think, run a very intelligent campaign in a setting where he's up against a huge phenomenon, or you're going to get the phenomenon himself, Donald Trump. But there's not going to be a third name in contention. Kasich, in a sense, is in a race to be Vice President, but he's not going to become the nominee. As much as I love John, he's just simply not going to be the nominee. One of these two guys, either Donald or Ted, is going to be the nominee, and the Washington establishment of the Republican Party is just in complete denial.'
Personally, I think this means he stole my idea for a reality show called "Trump Island", but anyway, that's a bit of chicken soup for your immortal soul.
'Look, Shaun, [smiling] you have to have SOME sympathy here. ... [laughing] This is like a sitcom! They deeply dislike Cruz, and they are deeply afraid of Trump. And so, they're sitting around ... I mean, NONE of these establishment types, back a year ago, if you had said to them, "We're going to get down to Ted Cruz vs. Donald Trump", they would have all said you'd lost your mind!
NOW they're losing THEIR minds, because the objective reality is, you're either going to get Senator Cruz, who's, I think, run a very intelligent campaign in a setting where he's up against a huge phenomenon, or you're going to get the phenomenon himself, Donald Trump. But there's not going to be a third name in contention. Kasich, in a sense, is in a race to be Vice President, but he's not going to become the nominee. As much as I love John, he's just simply not going to be the nominee. One of these two guys, either Donald or Ted, is going to be the nominee, and the Washington establishment of the Republican Party is just in complete denial.'
Personally, I think this means he stole my idea for a reality show called "Trump Island", but anyway, that's a bit of chicken soup for your immortal soul.
Posted by: Optimizer at March 21, 2016 06:39 PM (/q6+P)
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"Regarding polls. I refuse to be swayed by any argument that begins with, "we can't believe the polls because..." I bought a few thousand shares of that argument in 2012. Never again."
Hell, I was selling those shares. Never again.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 21, 2016 06:27 PM (kBIIG)
Me too. That was beyond brutal.
-- which is why I am trying to be as realistic as possible. Unlike Ace, I personally don't have too much of a concern about Trump as President. I think Cruz would be a better one, but I could live with President Trump.
My problem is that the signs are very clear that there won't be a President Trump, and since Cruz will lose in Arizona tomorrow, there won't be a President Cruz either. Wishcasting that Trump will suddenly turn things around is dumb. He has already been painted by the nomination fight much more firmly than Romney was. And claiming that he will drive Hillary's negatives higher is silly, they can't get any higher. She is already only liked by the hard core Democrats, but she still beats Trump. Trump is good at driving someone's negatives up, but there is no further up to drive hers. What he has yet to show is the ability to drive his own negatives down.
But maybe I am wrong. I hope I am.
Hell, I was selling those shares. Never again.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 21, 2016 06:27 PM (kBIIG)
Me too. That was beyond brutal.
-- which is why I am trying to be as realistic as possible. Unlike Ace, I personally don't have too much of a concern about Trump as President. I think Cruz would be a better one, but I could live with President Trump.
My problem is that the signs are very clear that there won't be a President Trump, and since Cruz will lose in Arizona tomorrow, there won't be a President Cruz either. Wishcasting that Trump will suddenly turn things around is dumb. He has already been painted by the nomination fight much more firmly than Romney was. And claiming that he will drive Hillary's negatives higher is silly, they can't get any higher. She is already only liked by the hard core Democrats, but she still beats Trump. Trump is good at driving someone's negatives up, but there is no further up to drive hers. What he has yet to show is the ability to drive his own negatives down.
But maybe I am wrong. I hope I am.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 21, 2016 06:39 PM (kBIIG)
Posted by: RioBravo at March 21, 2016 06:39 PM (NUqwG)
481
466, Bertram - Yes, the old ideas were pretty good. The best. I should have said that they should be restated in ways that people today would understand.
Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 21, 2016 06:39 PM (/WPPJ)
482
@27: ""13 Erik Erikson....What a Kunt."
What he said. A million times over."
Nah - people desire the latter.
What he said. A million times over."
Nah - people desire the latter.
Posted by: FaCubeItches at March 21, 2016 06:39 PM (rznWS)
483
>>>>You gave me a bullshit article in the Weekly Standard that said nothing and a name of a person who means nothing. Do you live in Orlando?
Difficult since most of it was online...but...
Ramz Paul, Robert Spencer, @Ricky_Vaughn99, Millenial Woes on Youtube, the 5 counter protesters that shot up the BLM protesters in Minneapolis, all of /pol/ on 4Chan, Vox Day...
Milo Yiannopolous has defended them and encouraged them (which is why I no longer read them). Lets see...
Difficult since most of it was online...but...
Ramz Paul, Robert Spencer, @Ricky_Vaughn99, Millenial Woes on Youtube, the 5 counter protesters that shot up the BLM protesters in Minneapolis, all of /pol/ on 4Chan, Vox Day...
Milo Yiannopolous has defended them and encouraged them (which is why I no longer read them). Lets see...
Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 06:39 PM (MCmqp)
484
NGU
Search this site for Ace's column on the rise of the term "cuckservative"
Search this site for Ace's column on the rise of the term "cuckservative"
Posted by: ThunderB at March 21, 2016 06:39 PM (zOTsN)
485
"'how Trump was going to redraw the map and bring in millions of disaffected independents and Democrats so that those who planned on staying home wouldn't be needed anyway.'
Who said that? The point is to expand the map and add to the existing base. If large groups stay home, we will lose regardless of who the nominee is.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 21, 2016 06:29 PM (WnCSK)"
Allow me to direct you to the comments section at Breitbart.com. You will never find a more wretched hive of alt-right scum and villainy. The song "If You're Not With Us We Don't Need You Anyway" is a top 40 hit over there.
Who said that? The point is to expand the map and add to the existing base. If large groups stay home, we will lose regardless of who the nominee is.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 21, 2016 06:29 PM (WnCSK)"
Allow me to direct you to the comments section at Breitbart.com. You will never find a more wretched hive of alt-right scum and villainy. The song "If You're Not With Us We Don't Need You Anyway" is a top 40 hit over there.
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at March 21, 2016 06:40 PM (oK19E)
486
>>>Hmmm, Ace is so sure of Trump's defeat yet she doesn't detail Cruz's path to victory??
Ace, there comes a point when your audience isn't buying what your selling. That point on this blog was a few weeks back.
...
good, then there's no point in your being here any longer.
Ace, there comes a point when your audience isn't buying what your selling. That point on this blog was a few weeks back.
...
good, then there's no point in your being here any longer.
Posted by: ace at March 21, 2016 06:40 PM (dciA+)
487
Glenn Beck has been speaking in tongues about Cruz for some time. Every time I think Beck's jumped the shark, he just finds a bigger shark. Someone needs to tell the man he's not helping, he's creeping us out.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 21, 2016 06:40 PM (6FqZa)
488
Glen Beck needs to take a literal chill pill and calm down.
Our choices will be Trump and Hillary.
Remind me again which one actually has blood on her hands?
Our choices will be Trump and Hillary.
Remind me again which one actually has blood on her hands?
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 21, 2016 06:40 PM (L7t0A)
489
438
ChemJeff's (only) argument is that our 'Murican principles require us to be happy and proud to turn the nation our ancestors fought and died for over to unassimilatable minorities who hate us.
In a nutshell ....
Posted by: ChicagoRefugee at March 21, 2016 06:32 PM (oiZDw)
Survey says.... bzzzt!
How about this instead:
We should treat individuals as individuals. Not, as collections of large groups of people that are generalized and stereotyped - that is what the left does, after all.
We should be much more vigilant about illegal immigration, and we should change our legal immigration system to select only the best and the brightest who bring unique talents to this country, and not based on chain migration.
We should recognize that there is nothing genetic about political ideology, and that Mexican-Americans who vote for Democrats now don't do so *because* they are of Mexican heritage, but because Republicans have done a lousy job selling a freedom agenda that can appeal to everyone regardless of race or class. This doesn't mean "hispandering", i.e., identity politics, but it does mean at a minimum not sounding like Republicans want to deport their grandmothers all the time, and pointing out over and over that it's the Democrats who divide people into racial tribes and want to hand out goodies based on racial or tribal affiliations, which is fundamentally un-American IMO.
ChemJeff's (only) argument is that our 'Murican principles require us to be happy and proud to turn the nation our ancestors fought and died for over to unassimilatable minorities who hate us.
In a nutshell ....
Posted by: ChicagoRefugee at March 21, 2016 06:32 PM (oiZDw)
Survey says.... bzzzt!
How about this instead:
We should treat individuals as individuals. Not, as collections of large groups of people that are generalized and stereotyped - that is what the left does, after all.
We should be much more vigilant about illegal immigration, and we should change our legal immigration system to select only the best and the brightest who bring unique talents to this country, and not based on chain migration.
We should recognize that there is nothing genetic about political ideology, and that Mexican-Americans who vote for Democrats now don't do so *because* they are of Mexican heritage, but because Republicans have done a lousy job selling a freedom agenda that can appeal to everyone regardless of race or class. This doesn't mean "hispandering", i.e., identity politics, but it does mean at a minimum not sounding like Republicans want to deport their grandmothers all the time, and pointing out over and over that it's the Democrats who divide people into racial tribes and want to hand out goodies based on racial or tribal affiliations, which is fundamentally un-American IMO.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:40 PM (+Fl7e)
490
"Hillary will appear competent and sane next to him in a debate setting,"
Did you see her speech at AIPAC this morning? it was painfully boring
"Hillary will appear competent and sane next to him in a debate setting,"
Did you see her speech at AIPAC this morning? it was painfully boring
Posted by: flawless male logic at March 21, 2016 06:41 PM (lKyWE)
491
you have to love someone who, in the comments of a post in which I express my extreme loathing of social pressure tactics, attempts social pressure tactics on me.
banned.
banned.
Posted by: ace at March 21, 2016 06:41 PM (dciA+)
492
Glenn Beck needs an intervention, or new meds.
I don't think he's helping Cruz either.
I don't think he's helping Cruz either.
Posted by: @votermom at March 21, 2016 06:41 PM (cbfNE)
493
What else you got? Rubio is a spineless Rent Boy. Cruz is truly unelectable in the general. Kasich would make a great Democrat candidate -- I mean that.
Bring back Romney?
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 21, 2016 06:34 PM (r1fLd)
I see it as between Cruz and Trump at the convention; that is, assuming neither has the 1237 delegates coming in. Both Lincoln and Dewey won the nomination as the result of contested conventions. (There may be more instances but I'm too tired to look it up.) I'm pretty sure no Republican nominee has ever been drafted from the floor.
Trump supporters should take heart even if it does come to a contested convention. As I understand it, contested conventions are all about wheeling and dealing, favors and threats. Your boy will be on his home ground.
Bring back Romney?
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 21, 2016 06:34 PM (r1fLd)
I see it as between Cruz and Trump at the convention; that is, assuming neither has the 1237 delegates coming in. Both Lincoln and Dewey won the nomination as the result of contested conventions. (There may be more instances but I'm too tired to look it up.) I'm pretty sure no Republican nominee has ever been drafted from the floor.
Trump supporters should take heart even if it does come to a contested convention. As I understand it, contested conventions are all about wheeling and dealing, favors and threats. Your boy will be on his home ground.
Posted by: troyriser at March 21, 2016 06:41 PM (Au69S)
494
Ace, I usually love your comments, and Ace of Spades is one of my favorites, but, lately, you suck.
Your recent love fest with all of these "bought and paid for" politicians, has really lowered my estimation of you
Your total write off for the Donald reminds me of the same thing done for the Ronald thirty six years ago.
Your recent love fest with all of these "bought and paid for" politicians, has really lowered my estimation of you
Your total write off for the Donald reminds me of the same thing done for the Ronald thirty six years ago.
Posted by: Papo at March 21, 2016 06:41 PM (XUlog)
495
I am voting for Trump because he's going to win over Democrat voters and blue states! Screw you GOP! Nothing says "conservative" like a NE moderate who's partnered with Democrats to get things done!
This time it will work! Screw you Mitt Romney!
This time it will work! Screw you Mitt Romney!
Posted by: Sooper Smart Conservative at March 21, 2016 06:41 PM (XItbt)
496
Ah, yes, the Old Ideas. Also known as: Conservatism.
Old ideas such as: the rule of law, and no special rights for anyone, and a central government that was only as large as necessary, and individual freedom, equal opportunity for all no matter their skin color, and Judeo-Christian-Western-Capitalist traditions and principles. Those old ideas.
Ah, yes, the Old Ideas. Also known as: Conservatism.
Old ideas such as: the rule of law, and no special rights for anyone, and a central government that was only as large as necessary, and individual freedom, equal opportunity for all no matter their skin color, and Judeo-Christian-Western-Capitalist traditions and principles. Those old ideas.
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 21, 2016 06:41 PM (o2321)
497
262 1979:
Reagan will get us into a nuclear war!
2016:
Same shit.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 21, 2016 06:11 PM (oVJmc)
You forgot 1964:
Goldwater will get us into a nuclear war!
Reagan will get us into a nuclear war!
2016:
Same shit.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 21, 2016 06:11 PM (oVJmc)
You forgot 1964:
Goldwater will get us into a nuclear war!
Posted by: rickl at March 21, 2016 06:41 PM (sdi6R)
498
Trump acquitted himself surprisingly well at AIPAC.
But the math still doesn't work. He keeps talking about leading the polls, but carefully avoids mentioning that Hillary (of all people) is beating him in national polling.
Two assessments I have that have not changed:
1. He's an extinction-level event for the GOP
2. Say goodbye to Heller, say hello to Single Payer.
But the math still doesn't work. He keeps talking about leading the polls, but carefully avoids mentioning that Hillary (of all people) is beating him in national polling.
Two assessments I have that have not changed:
1. He's an extinction-level event for the GOP
2. Say goodbye to Heller, say hello to Single Payer.
Posted by: DriveBy at March 21, 2016 06:41 PM (C9Vc8)
499
427 Anna Puma I think had a link a couple of weeks ago about two navy ships needing parts and we're out of action, maybe ?
Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2016 06:41 PM (fizMZ)
500
Yes, there are lots of lower-level Trumpites who attempt ferocious attacks to bully people....
It would work, but they keep getting confused when their "Keep America Great" hats fall over their eyes and they think it's the end times.
Just a bit of fun, folks. Don't overreact.
It would work, but they keep getting confused when their "Keep America Great" hats fall over their eyes and they think it's the end times.
Just a bit of fun, folks. Don't overreact.
Posted by: pep at March 21, 2016 06:41 PM (LAe3v)
501
Embrace 'The Movement' Ace.
Posted by: Trumpnado at March 21, 2016 06:41 PM (gxIP7)
502
We have fucking Barry Soetero and Joey Biden in charge of the Big Red Button right now, and I'm supposed to worry about Donald for some reason?
Is he going to mistake it for a call button or something?
"the stakes are low. There is nearly nothing on the line, because Trump's defeat is virtually guaranteed."
BULL.
and
SHEET.
Is he going to mistake it for a call button or something?
"the stakes are low. There is nearly nothing on the line, because Trump's defeat is virtually guaranteed."
BULL.
and
SHEET.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at March 21, 2016 06:42 PM (TLX//)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 21, 2016 06:42 PM (kdS6q)
504
"Allow me to direct you to the comments section at Breitbart.com..."
Enough said. However that is certainly not what all Trump supporters believe at all.
Enough said. However that is certainly not what all Trump supporters believe at all.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 21, 2016 06:42 PM (WnCSK)
505
Posted by: Papo at March 21, 2016 06:41 PM (XUlog)
Holdup....Cruz is bought and paid for? How?
Donald has been donating to Dems for years.
Holdup....Cruz is bought and paid for? How?
Donald has been donating to Dems for years.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 06:42 PM (R5HRU)
506
>>>Ace, I usually love your comments, and Ace of Spades is one of my favorites, but, lately, you suck.
Your recent love fest with all of these "bought and paid for" politicians, has really lowered my estimation of you
Your total write off for the Donald reminds me of the same thing done for the Ronald thirty six years ago.
then this isn't working out between us and you should consider yourself free to find a blog you find more agreeable.
Your recent love fest with all of these "bought and paid for" politicians, has really lowered my estimation of you
Your total write off for the Donald reminds me of the same thing done for the Ronald thirty six years ago.
then this isn't working out between us and you should consider yourself free to find a blog you find more agreeable.
Posted by: ace at March 21, 2016 06:42 PM (dciA+)
507
My angst meter just isn't running in the red enough I guess. Whoever the Republicans run is going to need 271 EV to win. Don't see Cruz doing it, he's a regional acquired taste sort of guy. The Left will make sure he's seen as crazy pants religious nut who wants to oppress every marginal group in the country.
Trump? Reckless egomaniac who is immoral and a RICH BASTARD who doesn't care about the little guy.
See how this works? You do not beat the Left and the Media with "principles", and you don't outliberal them.
You have to sell the voters on giving them MORE (of whatever the hell it is they want).
We became truly fucked when the masses figured out they could vote themselves more free shit.
Trump? Reckless egomaniac who is immoral and a RICH BASTARD who doesn't care about the little guy.
See how this works? You do not beat the Left and the Media with "principles", and you don't outliberal them.
You have to sell the voters on giving them MORE (of whatever the hell it is they want).
We became truly fucked when the masses figured out they could vote themselves more free shit.
Posted by: kraken at March 21, 2016 06:42 PM (sdxPm)
508
So you are telling me I can vote for the neoconservative lunatic who loves starting wars, is owned by Wall Street, and wants to import cheap illegal labor, OR I can vote for the Republican frontrunner? I need the GOP to remind me again who is Hitler so I know how to vote.
Posted by: Stickety at March 21, 2016 06:43 PM (1o3cX)
509
But the math still doesn't work. He keeps talking about leading the polls, but carefully avoids mentioning that Hillary (of all people) is beating him in national polling.
Its March
But the math still doesn't work. He keeps talking about leading the polls, but carefully avoids mentioning that Hillary (of all people) is beating him in national polling.
Its March
Posted by: flawless male logic at March 21, 2016 06:43 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: Skeezix at March 21, 2016 06:43 PM (WnCSK)
511
or even minor bloggers like me.
Wait a minute. ace is the kid standing next to the ewok. Yikes we better clean up our act before his mother finds out.
Wait a minute. ace is the kid standing next to the ewok. Yikes we better clean up our act before his mother finds out.
Posted by: DaveA at March 21, 2016 06:43 PM (DL2i+)
512
by the way, I think a lot of these comments from no one i've ever heard of before are astroturf spam being sent by a pro-trump site.
the palinistas used to do the same thing -- I'd mention palin in a less than flattering way, and suddenly I'd have a dozen new screennames on the site.
the palinistas used to do the same thing -- I'd mention palin in a less than flattering way, and suddenly I'd have a dozen new screennames on the site.
Posted by: ace at March 21, 2016 06:44 PM (dciA+)
513
Down in Oz, they're singing about how the wankers "victim card is expired!"
(youtube link)
http://tinyurl.com/nm2kmby
(youtube link)
http://tinyurl.com/nm2kmby
Posted by: Aussie Hitmaker at March 21, 2016 06:44 PM (TxJGV)
514
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 06:35 PM (uURQL)
Not terribly surprising to see you cast your lot with the alt-right crowd
Not terribly surprising to see you cast your lot with the alt-right crowd
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:44 PM (+Fl7e)
515
This is why I will vote for Hilliary Clinton(multiple times if possible). Out of sheer spite and to see all the sad faces. Amazing how obnoxious and toxic the plurality of the base can drive away votes of the others it will do desperately need in November. Keep it up.
Posted by: Arson Wells
so now we have joe hallenbeck and arson wells voting for hillary. because conservatism.
Posted by: Arson Wells
so now we have joe hallenbeck and arson wells voting for hillary. because conservatism.
Posted by: x at March 21, 2016 06:44 PM (nFwvY)
516
Stop denying the alt-right. If you want to view their lovely work, go to Ben Shapiro's or Jonah Goldberg's or John Podhoretz's Twitters. Actually any jewish or minority republican that is anti-trump. The entire page is full of retweeted anti-semitic cartoons, nazi propaganda, strange coded language regarding cucks and zionists.
These people have been out in force since Trump became a hit. Their existence and large twitter army presence means I can never morally vote for such a man that has used and encouraged such human scum.
These people have been out in force since Trump became a hit. Their existence and large twitter army presence means I can never morally vote for such a man that has used and encouraged such human scum.
Posted by: bob at March 21, 2016 06:44 PM (wROs3)
517
260 I'm not a Trump supporter, but I'll be goddamned if I let Hilary into the WH.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 06:11 PM (R5HRU)
This is exactly where I'm at.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 06:11 PM (R5HRU)
This is exactly where I'm at.
Posted by: washrivergal at March 21, 2016 06:44 PM (CFc5L)
518
Two assessments I have that have not changed:
1. He's an extinction-level event for the GOP
Here's the difference. We avoided the SMOD catastrophe by splitting it in two. Trump will split the GOP in two, and we'll lose.
Two assessments I have that have not changed:
1. He's an extinction-level event for the GOP
Here's the difference. We avoided the SMOD catastrophe by splitting it in two. Trump will split the GOP in two, and we'll lose.
Posted by: pep at March 21, 2016 06:44 PM (LAe3v)
519
Until the convention in see no reason to embrace any movement.
Arizona and Utah next up?
Arizona and Utah next up?
Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2016 06:44 PM (fizMZ)
520
>>>494 Ace, I usually love your comments, and Ace of Spades is one of my favorites, but, lately, you suck.
Your recent love fest with all of these "bought and paid for" politicians, has really lowered my estimation of you
Your total write off for the Donald reminds me of the same thing done for the Ronald thirty six years ago.
Posted by: Papo at March 21, 2016 06:41 PM (XUlog)
...
is there anything else in the script you wanted to mention?
Your recent love fest with all of these "bought and paid for" politicians, has really lowered my estimation of you
Your total write off for the Donald reminds me of the same thing done for the Ronald thirty six years ago.
Posted by: Papo at March 21, 2016 06:41 PM (XUlog)
...
is there anything else in the script you wanted to mention?
Posted by: ace at March 21, 2016 06:45 PM (dciA+)
521
Posted by: bob at March 21, 2016 06:44 PM (wROs3)
Morally vote? Dennis Prager is going to vote for Trump if he's the nominee and Prager is pretty fucking solid.
Morally vote? Dennis Prager is going to vote for Trump if he's the nominee and Prager is pretty fucking solid.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 06:45 PM (R5HRU)
522
I hope Ace didn't ban ngu because ngu was only quoting someone else from upthread.
This is what happens when you don't use the Italiacs. It confuses people. And then you get banned.
I hope Ace didn't ban ngu because ngu was only quoting someone else from upthread.
This is what happens when you don't use the Italiacs. It confuses people. And then you get banned.
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 21, 2016 06:45 PM (o2321)
523
For the love of God man...
I don't know what Ace wants? Or Patterico, or half of any of these conservative people.
TRUMP > Hillary
Too many side deals going on and my head hurts.
I don't know what Ace wants? Or Patterico, or half of any of these conservative people.
TRUMP > Hillary
Too many side deals going on and my head hurts.
Posted by: For the love of God man... at March 21, 2016 06:45 PM (OIrJo)
524
Screw the GOP! Last time we got a billionaire businessman from the northeast with a lifelong history of partnering with Democrats.
That's why I support Donald Trump! Because he's totally different!
That's why I support Donald Trump! Because he's totally different!
Posted by: Sooper Smart Conservative at March 21, 2016 06:45 PM (XItbt)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 06:45 PM (mw8Dm)
526
I going to assume it's safe to assume another dose of Brother Newt [Gingrich] is prescribed. Here he is on the trust issues we're seeing:
'I mean ... first of all, because he's Donald Trump! I mean ... This is a guy who has been a wildman, who dominated the society pages, who has had a life that is CLEARLY outside of politics, who said a lot of things as a standard New York business guy getting along in one of the most liberal cities in the world, and now all of a sudden he's showing up as the Great Conservative Champion.
So, if you're a True Blue Conservative, and you want somebody who's thoughtful, and who's read all the major conservative books, and who understands Hayak and Friedman, Donald Trump just UNNERVES you. I mean, you keep thinking to yourself, this would be like taking some of these intellectuals to a blue collar bar, you know, and having them try to watch a hockey game. This is really DIFFERENT for them, and it's going to take them a while to get used to it.
But I have a lot of respect for somebody who says, "Boy, if you want a Principled Conservative, Cruz clearly gets it all." And he does! I mean, Ted Cruz is as intellectually solid a conservative as you're going to find in America. Trump is really an anti-Left, anti-political correctness, anti-stupidity American nationalist. I mean he's a ... Trumpism is a new evolution from where we've been. I think it will be more destructive of the Left than anything we've seen from conservatism since Ronald Reagan. But I think it's a unique blend of things ...'
He didn't use the term "wild-eyed conspiracy theories" 'cause he's just THAT good a politician! The astute reader will observe that Dr Newt is under no illusions regarding The Donald, and make special note of his second last sentence.
God bless you, brother Newt!
'I mean ... first of all, because he's Donald Trump! I mean ... This is a guy who has been a wildman, who dominated the society pages, who has had a life that is CLEARLY outside of politics, who said a lot of things as a standard New York business guy getting along in one of the most liberal cities in the world, and now all of a sudden he's showing up as the Great Conservative Champion.
So, if you're a True Blue Conservative, and you want somebody who's thoughtful, and who's read all the major conservative books, and who understands Hayak and Friedman, Donald Trump just UNNERVES you. I mean, you keep thinking to yourself, this would be like taking some of these intellectuals to a blue collar bar, you know, and having them try to watch a hockey game. This is really DIFFERENT for them, and it's going to take them a while to get used to it.
But I have a lot of respect for somebody who says, "Boy, if you want a Principled Conservative, Cruz clearly gets it all." And he does! I mean, Ted Cruz is as intellectually solid a conservative as you're going to find in America. Trump is really an anti-Left, anti-political correctness, anti-stupidity American nationalist. I mean he's a ... Trumpism is a new evolution from where we've been. I think it will be more destructive of the Left than anything we've seen from conservatism since Ronald Reagan. But I think it's a unique blend of things ...'
He didn't use the term "wild-eyed conspiracy theories" 'cause he's just THAT good a politician! The astute reader will observe that Dr Newt is under no illusions regarding The Donald, and make special note of his second last sentence.
God bless you, brother Newt!
Posted by: Optimizer at March 21, 2016 06:45 PM (/q6+P)
527
Hillary will appear competent and sane next to him in a debate setting,"
Did you see her speech at AIPAC this morning? it was painfully boring
Posted by: flawless male logic at March 21, 2016 06:41 PM (lKyWE)
Notice the words I didn't use for Hillary. Neither "interesting" nor "exciting " made an appearance.
The fact is that Trump has no self control, and if Hilary were smart, she could easily get under his skin. She could just mention his small hands, for that matter, and then he wouldn't be able to talk about anything else.
Did you see her speech at AIPAC this morning? it was painfully boring
Posted by: flawless male logic at March 21, 2016 06:41 PM (lKyWE)
Notice the words I didn't use for Hillary. Neither "interesting" nor "exciting " made an appearance.
The fact is that Trump has no self control, and if Hilary were smart, she could easily get under his skin. She could just mention his small hands, for that matter, and then he wouldn't be able to talk about anything else.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 21, 2016 06:46 PM (L7t0A)
528
When does Hillary! release the flying monkeys?
Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2016 06:46 PM (e3bId)
529
What would stop a President Trump from nuking Mecca? His sense of shame?
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:05 PM (+Fl7e)
Why not nuke mecca? There's fuck all there but some mediocre chemistry students.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:05 PM (+Fl7e)
Why not nuke mecca? There's fuck all there but some mediocre chemistry students.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 21, 2016 06:46 PM (/i7Ua)
530
I think Cruz will win Utah and Trump will win Arizona. Don't know what that means in terms of delegates except that it will mean more endless Cruz - Trump flame wars.
Posted by: @votermom at March 21, 2016 06:47 PM (cbfNE)
531
The least likely outcome is that Cruz gets the nomination in a brokered convention. Cruz has a chance, albeit a small one, of winning one the first ballot. If that doesn't happen, Trump needs to win on the first ballot. Otherwise we'll get Kasich or worse as a "compromise" nominee.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 21, 2016 06:47 PM (Nwg0u)
532
So I guess I don't understand. For years - since at least 2010 with the Tea Party, but really probably back around 2006 - people who claim to be more Conservative than Republican have spent a lot of time and effort signalling how much they want a President who's an ardent constitutionalist conservative. So one is running this cycle. I don't think anyone can seriously argue that Ted Cruz isn't the most consitutionalist conservative Presidential candidate in at least 30 years.
But a very large percentage of these people's votes are going to a guy who is a lifelong unconservative salesman with documented history of overselling and under delivering (to put it lightly).
Why?
Sherlock Homes said, "once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth." Using this criteria, I have a very rapidly narrowing window into the basis of support for Trump. I don't get it.
He supports planned Parenthood.
He refused to even consider reforming any entitlements.
He says very different things to different people on his positions on immigration.
He can't name a single government bureaucracy he'll cut.
He states he can make deals with Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi - which is kind of weird, since they're the minority party leaders right now.
He almost never talks about the Constitution.
He didn't know what the nuclear triad is, which has been the basis of our nuclear strategy since freaking 60s.
He can't name a single Executive Order he'll roll back.
He keeps harping on "making better deals"... What exactly are these deals, and how will he make them? He is aware that our trade deficit is based on private company decisions, not under government direction, right? The Federal government can't mandate that iPhones are made here, for instance.
I don't get it.
I have supported Ted Cruz since before the Primary began. The guy knows and understands the Constitution back and forth. He knows what the enumerated powers are. He knows how the government actually works, and has a list of directly implementable steps he will undertake on day one, including rescinding specific EOs. He knows which bureaucracies need to be cut and has a plan to cut them. He understands that the government does not and can not create jobs, it can only provide incentives or disincentives for private economic activity, and as such he will remove disincentives and promote pro-economic growth policies. He will enforce the laws on immigration as specifically written - meaning directing Federal agencies to do their jobs and deport illegals.
Ted Cruz is *the* conservative candidate. He should be getting all this Tea Party support. When he isn't, I am left to wonder what criteria those supposed Tea Party people are basing their support on, and the pool of available reasons isn't good.
But a very large percentage of these people's votes are going to a guy who is a lifelong unconservative salesman with documented history of overselling and under delivering (to put it lightly).
Why?
Sherlock Homes said, "once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth." Using this criteria, I have a very rapidly narrowing window into the basis of support for Trump. I don't get it.
He supports planned Parenthood.
He refused to even consider reforming any entitlements.
He says very different things to different people on his positions on immigration.
He can't name a single government bureaucracy he'll cut.
He states he can make deals with Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi - which is kind of weird, since they're the minority party leaders right now.
He almost never talks about the Constitution.
He didn't know what the nuclear triad is, which has been the basis of our nuclear strategy since freaking 60s.
He can't name a single Executive Order he'll roll back.
He keeps harping on "making better deals"... What exactly are these deals, and how will he make them? He is aware that our trade deficit is based on private company decisions, not under government direction, right? The Federal government can't mandate that iPhones are made here, for instance.
I don't get it.
I have supported Ted Cruz since before the Primary began. The guy knows and understands the Constitution back and forth. He knows what the enumerated powers are. He knows how the government actually works, and has a list of directly implementable steps he will undertake on day one, including rescinding specific EOs. He knows which bureaucracies need to be cut and has a plan to cut them. He understands that the government does not and can not create jobs, it can only provide incentives or disincentives for private economic activity, and as such he will remove disincentives and promote pro-economic growth policies. He will enforce the laws on immigration as specifically written - meaning directing Federal agencies to do their jobs and deport illegals.
Ted Cruz is *the* conservative candidate. He should be getting all this Tea Party support. When he isn't, I am left to wonder what criteria those supposed Tea Party people are basing their support on, and the pool of available reasons isn't good.
Posted by: flashoverride at March 21, 2016 06:47 PM (iQr18)
533
I usually love your comments, and Ace of Spades is one of my favorites, but, lately, you suck.
Your recent love fest with all of these "bought and paid for" politicians, has really lowered my estimation of you
Your total write off for the Donald reminds me of the same thing done for the Ronald thirty six years ago.
Posted by: Papo at March 21, 2016 06:41 PM (XUlog)How persuasive, especially the you suck part!
Your recent love fest with all of these "bought and paid for" politicians, has really lowered my estimation of you
Your total write off for the Donald reminds me of the same thing done for the Ronald thirty six years ago.
Posted by: Papo at March 21, 2016 06:41 PM (XUlog)How persuasive, especially the you suck part!
Posted by: Hadoop at March 21, 2016 06:47 PM (2X7pN)
534
Everyone here knows I am a Cruz fan. That being said, most of the remaining primaries, IIRC, are closed, so if Trump wins them, and attains the necessary delegates, he wins fair and square. If you want an alternative, get everyone you know to vote for Cruz. These are the only two viable options. Any shenanigans at the convention, and people like me stay home.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 21, 2016 06:47 PM (Qvgg/)
535
I hope Ace didn't ban ngu because ngu was only quoting someone else from upthread.
This is what happens when you don't use the Italiacs. It confuses people. And then you get banned.
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 21, 2016 06:45 PM (o2321)
I never attack Ace. I might argue with him, respectfully I think, but that's about it.
This is what happens when you don't use the Italiacs. It confuses people. And then you get banned.
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 21, 2016 06:45 PM (o2321)
I never attack Ace. I might argue with him, respectfully I think, but that's about it.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 06:47 PM (mw8Dm)
536
I belong to Ctrl Alt Del cabal.
I belong to Ctrl Alt Del cabal.
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 21, 2016 06:47 PM (o2321)
537
Midnight.
Posted by: fluffy at March 21, 2016 06:47 PM (2hcmo)
538
It does seem like it's more crowded around here.
Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2016 06:47 PM (fizMZ)
539
I'm not a Trump supporter, but I'll be goddamned if I let Hilary into the WH.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 06:11 PM (R5HRU)
Better hope Melania stays hot, keeps her mouth shut, and Donald doesn't have his 4th wedding that the White House.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 06:11 PM (R5HRU)
Better hope Melania stays hot, keeps her mouth shut, and Donald doesn't have his 4th wedding that the White House.
Posted by: Damiano at March 21, 2016 06:47 PM (XItbt)
540
So you are telling me I can vote for the neoconservative lunatic who loves starting wars, is owned by Wall Street, and wants to import cheap illegal labor, OR I can vote for the Republican frontrunner?
Or Cruz, he still has a good chance.
Or Cruz, he still has a good chance.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 21, 2016 06:47 PM (rwI+c)
541
He didn't use the term "wild-eyed conspiracy theories" 'cause he's just THAT good a politician! The astute reader will observe that Dr Newt is under no illusions regarding The Donald, and make special note of his second last sentence.
God bless you, brother Newt!
Posted by: Optimizer at March 21, 2016 06:45 PM (/q6+P)
Newt Gingrich, GOP Lawmakers Huddle With Donald Trump
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/03/21/newt-gingrich-gop-lawmakers-huddle-with-donald-trump/
He didn't use the term "wild-eyed conspiracy theories" 'cause he's just THAT good a politician! The astute reader will observe that Dr Newt is under no illusions regarding The Donald, and make special note of his second last sentence.
God bless you, brother Newt!
Posted by: Optimizer at March 21, 2016 06:45 PM (/q6+P)
Newt Gingrich, GOP Lawmakers Huddle With Donald Trump
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/03/21/newt-gingrich-gop-lawmakers-huddle-with-donald-trump/
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at March 21, 2016 06:48 PM (dH97I)
542
I'm the only one who will do whatever it takes to WIN. If Hillary wants to roll in the dirt...I'll bring a bulldozer. Every other guy in the GOP folded when the going got tough because....pussies.Now they're history and look what we've had for the last umpteen years. Yeah, so fuck them and their weak shit.
Posted by: Trumpnado at March 21, 2016 06:48 PM (gxIP7)
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 06:48 PM (R5HRU)
544
Alt right crowd?
Gee I never got a fund raising letter from them?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 06:45 PM (mw8Dm
Too bad. Once you're on the mailing list they have some very nice deals on quality lynchingwear.
Gee I never got a fund raising letter from them?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 06:45 PM (mw8Dm
Too bad. Once you're on the mailing list they have some very nice deals on quality lynchingwear.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 21, 2016 06:48 PM (8ZskC)
545
"Cuckservative."
The battle-cry of sexually insecure losers, and a dog whistle for bigots. Begone, Troll.
The battle-cry of sexually insecure losers, and a dog whistle for bigots. Begone, Troll.
Posted by: DriveBy at March 21, 2016 06:48 PM (C9Vc8)
546
"Ted Cruz is *the* conservative candidate. He should be getting all this Tea Party support. When he isn't, I am left to wonder what criteria those supposed Tea Party people are basing their support on"
Perhaps you ought to ask the evangelicals the same question...the ones outside Utah.
Perhaps you ought to ask the evangelicals the same question...the ones outside Utah.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 21, 2016 06:48 PM (WnCSK)
Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 06:49 PM (HA9zO)
548
. Once you're on the mailing list they have some very nice deals on quality lynchingwear.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 21, 2016 06:48 PM (8ZskC)
I only look good in my Navy Whites, does their lynchwear come any other colors?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 21, 2016 06:48 PM (8ZskC)
I only look good in my Navy Whites, does their lynchwear come any other colors?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 06:49 PM (mw8Dm)
549
"Enough said. However that is certainly not what all Trump supporters believe at all.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 21, 2016 06:42 PM (WnCSK)"
Very true. But Trump supporters who don't believe that would be insightful enough to admit he was a flawed candidate after he went down to defeat. I was speaking of the irrational Trump supporters.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 21, 2016 06:42 PM (WnCSK)"
Very true. But Trump supporters who don't believe that would be insightful enough to admit he was a flawed candidate after he went down to defeat. I was speaking of the irrational Trump supporters.
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at March 21, 2016 06:49 PM (GZ/jc)
550
carefully avoids mentioning that Hillary (of all people) is beating him in national polling.
Its March
-------------
March 21, 2012 Obama was beating Romney by 4 points in the RCP average. Obama won by 4 points.
So yeah, it's March.
Its March
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March 21, 2012 Obama was beating Romney by 4 points in the RCP average. Obama won by 4 points.
So yeah, it's March.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 21, 2016 06:49 PM (kBIIG)
551
That's why the alt-right loses, the Zionists write them cheques with "69" as a bank-routing number.
I figure it's nicer in the NRx club anyway. More Chateau Lafite, less Night Train.
I figure it's nicer in the NRx club anyway. More Chateau Lafite, less Night Train.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 21, 2016 06:49 PM (6FqZa)
552
So I see ACE is still with Lying Ted, and wants to deny the vote of the peoples choice. ..
Trump 2106
Dang how much does it cost to run a blog. .Cruz $$$$$$
Trump 2106
Dang how much does it cost to run a blog. .Cruz $$$$$$
Posted by: gonzotx at March 21, 2016 06:49 PM (eV1YV)
553
The fact is that Trump has no self control, and if Hilary were smart, she could easily get under his skin. She could just mention his small hands, for that matter, and then he wouldn't be able to talk about anything else.
I will argue the same.Trump knows hillary and could get under her skin and cause her to implode
The fact is that Trump has no self control, and if Hilary were smart, she could easily get under his skin. She could just mention his small hands, for that matter, and then he wouldn't be able to talk about anything else.
I will argue the same.Trump knows hillary and could get under her skin and cause her to implode
Posted by: flawless male logic at March 21, 2016 06:50 PM (lKyWE)
554
259
so when is the miracle of Trump's rise in the poll expected to happen?
Ah, the Immaculate Election.
so when is the miracle of Trump's rise in the poll expected to happen?
Ah, the Immaculate Election.
Posted by: pep at March 21, 2016 06:50 PM (LAe3v)
555
Rush this afternoon was giving poll numbers for Arizona and sounded like it was tight.
Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2016 06:50 PM (fizMZ)
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 21, 2016 06:50 PM (o2321)
557
What actually drives me nuts more than anything? People like Michael Medved, he bitched to all of us who were less than enthusiastic to vote for McCain and Romney and said the process played out now let's all be grown ups and vote for the Republican nominee. Now he's saying currently he can't vote for Trump? Dude can go fuck himself. Shit like that makes me WANT Trump to get the nomination.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 06:50 PM (R5HRU)
558
We have fucking Barry Soetero and Joey Biden in charge of the Big Red Button right now, and I'm supposed to worry about Donald for some reason?
Is he going to mistake it for a call button or something?
It's a big red button with the letters EASY in white.
We have fucking Barry Soetero and Joey Biden in charge of the Big Red Button right now, and I'm supposed to worry about Donald for some reason?
Is he going to mistake it for a call button or something?
It's a big red button with the letters EASY in white.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 21, 2016 06:50 PM (FkBIv)
559
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 06:45 PM (R5HRU)
Then we agree to disagree. He's a good guy. Not sure whether he has experienced the kind of disgusting alt right trumpkin attacks other jewish republicans have experienced. But my interactions with the alt right on twitter have just lead me to the conclusion we can never be part of the same political coalition. The "cuck" stuff all comes stromfront/alt right lunatics, and exists now in almost every comment section. That shows some influence, perhaps even unconsciously. If that is who Trump is bring out (and the authoritarian, racism correlations in exit polls exist)- then I want no part of this movement.
Then we agree to disagree. He's a good guy. Not sure whether he has experienced the kind of disgusting alt right trumpkin attacks other jewish republicans have experienced. But my interactions with the alt right on twitter have just lead me to the conclusion we can never be part of the same political coalition. The "cuck" stuff all comes stromfront/alt right lunatics, and exists now in almost every comment section. That shows some influence, perhaps even unconsciously. If that is who Trump is bring out (and the authoritarian, racism correlations in exit polls exist)- then I want no part of this movement.
Posted by: bob at March 21, 2016 06:51 PM (wROs3)
560
Otherwise we'll get Kasich or worse as a "compromise" nominee.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 21, 2016 06:47 PM (Nwg0u)
The GOPe couldn't possibly be that stupid. No, I'm not being facetious: they simply couldn't expect the party to survive if they tried to foist off a Bush or a Kasich on us.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 21, 2016 06:47 PM (Nwg0u)
The GOPe couldn't possibly be that stupid. No, I'm not being facetious: they simply couldn't expect the party to survive if they tried to foist off a Bush or a Kasich on us.
Posted by: troyriser at March 21, 2016 06:51 PM (Au69S)
561
>>>What would stop a President Trump from nuking Mecca? His sense of shame?
>>>Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:05 PM (+Fl7e)
Why not nuke mecca? There's fuck all there but some mediocre chemistry students.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 21, 2016 06:46 PM (/i7Ua)
ROFLMAO!
>>>Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:05 PM (+Fl7e)
Why not nuke mecca? There's fuck all there but some mediocre chemistry students.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 21, 2016 06:46 PM (/i7Ua)
ROFLMAO!
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 21, 2016 06:51 PM (zc3Db)
562
What do Trump supporters think about him using foreign labor in his businesses and defending the practice? I thought he's such a big hit because of his immigration stance and he wants to make sure American jobs don't go to foreigners.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 21, 2016 06:51 PM (L7t0A)
563
Not terribly surprising to see you cast your lot with the alt-right crowd
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:44 PM (+Fl7e)
Because I think America belongs to Americans? Like India belongs to Indians? And China to the Chinese?
Or that it takes more than walking onto American soil to become American?
I want to know what conservatives who want America to belong to someone other than Americans think they are conserving.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:44 PM (+Fl7e)
Because I think America belongs to Americans? Like India belongs to Indians? And China to the Chinese?
Or that it takes more than walking onto American soil to become American?
I want to know what conservatives who want America to belong to someone other than Americans think they are conserving.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 06:51 PM (uURQL)
564
"Unless, by some miracle, polls show that he has some kind of reasonable chance to win the election -- which I doubt in the extreme; and also, I'm still not sure I could support him even if he wasn't going to drag the movement into the dumpster fire with him. "
So whatever the weekly polls say will determine if he's evil or not?
So whatever the weekly polls say will determine if he's evil or not?
Posted by: Baldwin at March 21, 2016 06:51 PM (bytzL)
565
Are we still blaming Trump and the Trump rally attendees for all the nasty violence that the protesters are bringing?
Posted by: GrandeMe at March 21, 2016 06:51 PM (xhawg)
566
"enough to admit he was a flawed candidate after he went down to defeat."
Getting ahead of yourself. Regardless, he is still, in my humble opinion, the only one with a chance.
Getting ahead of yourself. Regardless, he is still, in my humble opinion, the only one with a chance.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 21, 2016 06:51 PM (WnCSK)
567
People like Michael Medved, he bitched to all of us who were less than
enthusiastic to vote for McCain and Romney and said the process played
out now let's all be grown ups and vote for the Republican nominee. Now
he's saying currently he can't vote for Trump?
--
This is what is killing the republican party. They are being exposed as liars and hypocrites. They want to play by the rules, until the rules don't benefit them.
enthusiastic to vote for McCain and Romney and said the process played
out now let's all be grown ups and vote for the Republican nominee. Now
he's saying currently he can't vote for Trump?
--
This is what is killing the republican party. They are being exposed as liars and hypocrites. They want to play by the rules, until the rules don't benefit them.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 21, 2016 06:52 PM (Qvgg/)
568
Who got banned?
Posted by: rickl at March 21, 2016 06:52 PM (sdi6R)
569
Posted by: bob at March 21, 2016 06:51 PM (wROs3)
Fair enough but honestly this election more than any other isn't about being together in the same voting coalition it's STOPPING the Left.
Fair enough but honestly this election more than any other isn't about being together in the same voting coalition it's STOPPING the Left.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 06:52 PM (R5HRU)
570
The fact is that Trump has no self control, and if
Hilary were smart, she could easily get under his skin. She could just
mention his small hands, for that matter, and then he wouldn't be able
to talk about anything else.
Posted by: chique d'afrique
Normally I'd agree with you, but it's Hillary. I don't think sexuality is an area she's anxious to broach.
Hilary were smart, she could easily get under his skin. She could just
mention his small hands, for that matter, and then he wouldn't be able
to talk about anything else.
Posted by: chique d'afrique
Normally I'd agree with you, but it's Hillary. I don't think sexuality is an area she's anxious to broach.
Posted by: pep at March 21, 2016 06:52 PM (LAe3v)
571
Damn. Missed the Trump speech. Gonna have to find it later.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at March 21, 2016 06:52 PM (hlMPp)
Posted by: x at March 21, 2016 06:53 PM (nFwvY)
573
Where is this crap about nuking Mecca coming from? And is the Alt Right crap the flavor of the day in the democratic talking points? Where did that crap come from?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 06:53 PM (mw8Dm)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 21, 2016 06:53 PM (6FqZa)
575
Your agonizer, please.
Posted by: alt-Spock at March 21, 2016 06:53 PM (FkBIv)
576
White race tribalists, who self-identify as conservative, are ga-ga for Trump, but shhhhhh saying they exist is a bad thing!!!!
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:11 PM (+Fl7e)
Right, and there are probably 2-300 of them in the entire country, every last one paid by George Fucking Soros.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:11 PM (+Fl7e)
Right, and there are probably 2-300 of them in the entire country, every last one paid by George Fucking Soros.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 21, 2016 06:53 PM (/i7Ua)
577
Also 'Can't Stump the Trump' was another alt-right original.
Posted by: El Kabong
Stop denying the alt-right. If you want to view their lovely work, go to Ben Shapiro's or Jonah Goldberg's or John Podhoretz's Twitters. Actually any jewish or minority republican that is anti-trump.
Posted by: bob
So, the nefarious "Alt-Right" is both pro and anti-Trump.
Got it.
Also 'Can't Stump the Trump' was another alt-right original.
Posted by: El Kabong
Stop denying the alt-right. If you want to view their lovely work, go to Ben Shapiro's or Jonah Goldberg's or John Podhoretz's Twitters. Actually any jewish or minority republican that is anti-trump.
Posted by: bob
So, the nefarious "Alt-Right" is both pro and anti-Trump.
Got it.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 21, 2016 06:53 PM (kdS6q)
578
"so when is the miracle of Trump's rise in the poll expected to happen"
...so when is the miracle of Cruz's rise in primary vote getting expected to happen?
...so when is the miracle of Cruz's rise in primary vote getting expected to happen?
Posted by: Skeezix at March 21, 2016 06:53 PM (WnCSK)
579
Anger trumps a lot. No pun intended.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 06:48 PM (R5HRU)
Anger's an emotion, not a method. And hotheads usually lose fights with enemies who are the least bit skilled.If you are for Trump because you're "angry", well. That's a sales tactic, and you're falling headlong into it. Take a deep breath, pull back, and ask yourself what is your desired outcome, and which candidate has the best plan for actually bringing it about.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 06:48 PM (R5HRU)
Anger's an emotion, not a method. And hotheads usually lose fights with enemies who are the least bit skilled.If you are for Trump because you're "angry", well. That's a sales tactic, and you're falling headlong into it. Take a deep breath, pull back, and ask yourself what is your desired outcome, and which candidate has the best plan for actually bringing it about.
Posted by: flashoverride at March 21, 2016 06:54 PM (iQr18)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 21, 2016 06:54 PM (rwI+c)
581
Ace,
I voted for Cruz and urged my wife and mother to do so. But, right now polls are reflecting a divided Republican party and a unified Dem one. It would be unwise at this point to reflect about general elections at this point because numerous events will change the dynamic by July and August. General election polls become more stable around Sept. unless of course we repeat the 2008 election year economic collapse on Wall Street and the economy or have a massive terrorism attack before the election.
Whether Trump can unify (or the looming prospect of Hilary will) the Republican party is the question. That and predicting turnout which is perilous when considering non-traditional candidates and whether Hillary can rebuild the Obama coalition which is her main question.
What is forgotten about the 1980 race was John Anderson ran first as a Republican candidate and then went indy when the Republicans picked Reagan. From my memory, Reagan ended up with 51 percent, Anderson about 7, and Carter with about 41. Reagan carried 44 of the states. Anderson got none, and Carter got six states plus DC. This was when nominal partisan id for the Dems was nearly 45 percent and Republicans at 23 percent.
Right now, both parties have party id at historic low levels yet leaners probably have this a 45 R maybe 48 Dem electorate with roughly ten percent as true independents. Nominal partisan id is Dems at 32, Republicans at 23 percent again, and independents at 39.
I voted for Cruz and urged my wife and mother to do so. But, right now polls are reflecting a divided Republican party and a unified Dem one. It would be unwise at this point to reflect about general elections at this point because numerous events will change the dynamic by July and August. General election polls become more stable around Sept. unless of course we repeat the 2008 election year economic collapse on Wall Street and the economy or have a massive terrorism attack before the election.
Whether Trump can unify (or the looming prospect of Hilary will) the Republican party is the question. That and predicting turnout which is perilous when considering non-traditional candidates and whether Hillary can rebuild the Obama coalition which is her main question.
What is forgotten about the 1980 race was John Anderson ran first as a Republican candidate and then went indy when the Republicans picked Reagan. From my memory, Reagan ended up with 51 percent, Anderson about 7, and Carter with about 41. Reagan carried 44 of the states. Anderson got none, and Carter got six states plus DC. This was when nominal partisan id for the Dems was nearly 45 percent and Republicans at 23 percent.
Right now, both parties have party id at historic low levels yet leaners probably have this a 45 R maybe 48 Dem electorate with roughly ten percent as true independents. Nominal partisan id is Dems at 32, Republicans at 23 percent again, and independents at 39.
Posted by: whig at March 21, 2016 06:54 PM (mlyQI)
582
Ted Cruz is *the* conservative candidate. He should be getting all this Tea Party support. When he isn't, I am left to wonder what criteria those supposed Tea Party people are basing their support on, and the pool of available reasons isn't good.
Posted by: flashoverride at March 21, 2016 06:47 PM (iQr1
Popularity?
Posted by: flashoverride at March 21, 2016 06:47 PM (iQr1
Popularity?
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 21, 2016 06:54 PM (L7t0A)
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 06:54 PM (R5HRU)
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 21, 2016 06:54 PM (o2321)
Posted by: That Permanently installed Nun critic in your head at March 21, 2016 06:54 PM (DL2i+)
586
Stop denying the alt-right. If you want to view their lovely work, go to Ben Shapiro's or Jonah Goldberg's or John Podhoretz's Twitters. Actually any jewish or minority republican that is anti-trump.
Posted by: bob
So, the nefarious "Alt-Right" is both pro and anti-Trump.
Got it.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 21, 2016 06:53 PM (kdS6q)
He's saying that you will see alt-right pop up on anti-Trump pundit twitters, not that they are anti-Trump.
Stop denying the alt-right. If you want to view their lovely work, go to Ben Shapiro's or Jonah Goldberg's or John Podhoretz's Twitters. Actually any jewish or minority republican that is anti-trump.
Posted by: bob
So, the nefarious "Alt-Right" is both pro and anti-Trump.
Got it.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 21, 2016 06:53 PM (kdS6q)
He's saying that you will see alt-right pop up on anti-Trump pundit twitters, not that they are anti-Trump.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 06:54 PM (uURQL)
587
>>>So, the nefarious "Alt-Right" is both pro and anti-Trump.
Got it.
He's talking about the people spamming 'cuck' and 'zionist' in their mentions and timelines.
Got it.
He's talking about the people spamming 'cuck' and 'zionist' in their mentions and timelines.
Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 06:55 PM (MCmqp)
588
So, the nefarious "Alt-Right" is both pro and anti-Trump.
Got it.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 21, 2016 06:53 PM (kdS6q)
Well trump is authoritarian and also flexible, The flexible authoritarian. I heard hasbro has one for $29.95, batteries extra
Got it.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 21, 2016 06:53 PM (kdS6q)
Well trump is authoritarian and also flexible, The flexible authoritarian. I heard hasbro has one for $29.95, batteries extra
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 06:55 PM (mw8Dm)
589
Posted by: flashoverride at March 21, 2016 06:54 PM (iQr1
Anger plus wanting to destroy the GOPe is enough for some folks.
Anger plus wanting to destroy the GOPe is enough for some folks.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 06:55 PM (R5HRU)
590
"Morally vote? Dennis Prager is going to vote for Trump if he's the nominee and Prager is pretty fucking solid.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 06:45 PM (R5HRU)"
Dennis Prager is a fucking Boss. That is all.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 06:45 PM (R5HRU)"
Dennis Prager is a fucking Boss. That is all.
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at March 21, 2016 06:55 PM (GZ/jc)
591
"so when is the miracle of Trump's rise in the poll expected to happen"
...so when is the miracle of Cruz's rise in primary vote getting expected to happen?
If Cruz doesn't win Arizona tomorrow it won't happen.
...so when is the miracle of Cruz's rise in primary vote getting expected to happen?
If Cruz doesn't win Arizona tomorrow it won't happen.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 21, 2016 06:55 PM (kBIIG)
592
Anger's an emotion, not a method. And hotheads usually lose fights with enemies who are the least bit skilled.If you are for Trump because you're "angry", well. That's a sales tactic, and you're falling headlong into it. Take a deep breath, pull back, and ask yourself what is your desired outcome, and which candidate has the best plan for actually bringing it about.
Posted by: flashoverride at March 21, 2016 06:54 PM (iQr1
Dead GOPe. The contortions they are going through to deny Trump the nomination indicates this is on track.
Posted by: flashoverride at March 21, 2016 06:54 PM (iQr1
Dead GOPe. The contortions they are going through to deny Trump the nomination indicates this is on track.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 06:56 PM (uURQL)
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 06:56 PM (R5HRU)
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He's talking about the people spamming 'cuck' and 'zionist' in their mentions and timelines.
Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 06:55 PM (MCmqp)
OK I'll bite what the fuck is "cuck"
Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 06:55 PM (MCmqp)
OK I'll bite what the fuck is "cuck"
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 06:56 PM (mw8Dm)
595
'Don't let them take me away': Girl, six, is taken away from her foster family of five years because she is '1.5 per cent Native American' and the family is white
They seized her....
'Don't let them take me away': Girl, six, is taken away from her foster family of five years because she is '1.5 per cent Native American' and the family is white
They seized her....
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 21, 2016 06:56 PM (iQIUe)
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@493 "...Trump supporters should take heart even if it does come to a contested convention. As I understand it, contested conventions are all about wheeling and dealing, favors and threats. Your boy will be on his home ground."
You're missing that a contested convention means establishment-selected delegates (ALL of them, form what i hear) in an atmosphere where the establishment makes the rules, and has a history of changing them mid-stream. not exactly his "home ground".
But I sort of agree! I see Trump easily getting more than 1150, more if Cruz implodes, which he should. After he's mathematically eliminated, Cruz is trying to draw people playing convention games that can only be self-destructive. He has become beholden to the establishment, who he was running against. In an election about voting out the establishment, all he's got left is being the "True Conservative" who came in second and betrayed his brand.
You're missing that a contested convention means establishment-selected delegates (ALL of them, form what i hear) in an atmosphere where the establishment makes the rules, and has a history of changing them mid-stream. not exactly his "home ground".
But I sort of agree! I see Trump easily getting more than 1150, more if Cruz implodes, which he should. After he's mathematically eliminated, Cruz is trying to draw people playing convention games that can only be self-destructive. He has become beholden to the establishment, who he was running against. In an election about voting out the establishment, all he's got left is being the "True Conservative" who came in second and betrayed his brand.
Posted by: Optimizer at March 21, 2016 06:56 PM (/q6+P)
597
I will argue the same.Trump knows hillary and could get under her skin and cause her to implode
Posted by: flawless male logic at March 21, 2016 06:50 PM (lKyWE)
Hillary's been a closet lesbian married to Bill Clinton for decades. She's allowed brave, honorable people to die horrible, violent deaths purely out of political expediency. She's allowed close, lifelong friends to take the fall for her without batting an eye. She's *this close* to achieving her life's sole dream.
There is nothing Trump could say or do that will throw her off her game.
Posted by: flawless male logic at March 21, 2016 06:50 PM (lKyWE)
Hillary's been a closet lesbian married to Bill Clinton for decades. She's allowed brave, honorable people to die horrible, violent deaths purely out of political expediency. She's allowed close, lifelong friends to take the fall for her without batting an eye. She's *this close* to achieving her life's sole dream.
There is nothing Trump could say or do that will throw her off her game.
Posted by: troyriser at March 21, 2016 06:56 PM (Au69S)
598
For the record, I want to repeal and replace the GOP.
For the record, I want to repeal and replace the GOP.
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 21, 2016 06:56 PM (o2321)
599
"If Cruz doesn't win Arizona tomorrow it won't happen."
Thought he tightened it up with Trump in the polls no?
Thought he tightened it up with Trump in the polls no?
Posted by: Skeezix at March 21, 2016 06:56 PM (WnCSK)
600
We're on the same wavelength, ace. Link in nick.
Posted by: baldilocks at March 21, 2016 06:57 PM (ys2UW)
601
Normally I'd agree with you, but it's Hillary. I don't think sexuality is an area she's anxious to broach.
Posted by: pep at March 21, 2016 06:52 PM (LAe3v)
Hah! then she could bring up his hairdo or something equally trivial.
Posted by: pep at March 21, 2016 06:52 PM (LAe3v)
Hah! then she could bring up his hairdo or something equally trivial.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 21, 2016 06:57 PM (L7t0A)
602
I think you misread
Posted by: thathalfrican
Could be. People are throwing out thought fragments and pointy fingers, without doing a heck of a lot of defining.
I think you misread
Posted by: thathalfrican
Could be. People are throwing out thought fragments and pointy fingers, without doing a heck of a lot of defining.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 21, 2016 06:57 PM (kdS6q)
603
OK I'll bite what the fuck is "cuck"
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 06:56 PM (mw8Dm)
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I once asked the same question. Believe me: you dont wanna know.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 06:56 PM (mw8Dm)
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I once asked the same question. Believe me: you dont wanna know.
Posted by: The Nayden Broad at March 21, 2016 06:57 PM (0VSJ4)
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Has anyone used the 538.com electoral map tool I pointed out?
If you move the "non-college white" participation rate just a smidgen, you get 271 electoral votes.
Trump can win Florida, Ohio and a few others. Doesn't matter if he loses MA by 30%.
Now Trump has downside risk. But I can't see how he's a certain cataclysm.
And if it's not Trump, you won't get Cruz.
If you move the "non-college white" participation rate just a smidgen, you get 271 electoral votes.
Trump can win Florida, Ohio and a few others. Doesn't matter if he loses MA by 30%.
Now Trump has downside risk. But I can't see how he's a certain cataclysm.
And if it's not Trump, you won't get Cruz.
Posted by: Ignoramus at March 21, 2016 06:57 PM (r1fLd)
605
When he isn't, I am left to wonder what criteria those supposed Tea Party people are basing their support on
I guess to people who live in an area where Mexican heroin is a commonplace thing the need for border security isn't so much of a issue. Those who live in a place where non-English speaking males assault and rob teenage girls, not such a thing. Those who have had their schools already turned into institutions of lower knowledge, not a thing.
But politics is local. What I'm seeing locally scares the hell out of me.
I guess to people who live in an area where Mexican heroin is a commonplace thing the need for border security isn't so much of a issue. Those who live in a place where non-English speaking males assault and rob teenage girls, not such a thing. Those who have had their schools already turned into institutions of lower knowledge, not a thing.
But politics is local. What I'm seeing locally scares the hell out of me.
Posted by: mega machines at March 21, 2016 06:57 PM (fbovC)
606
I saw this coming a mile away. Trump and his supporters will never own the loss if he loses as cataclysmically as polls suggest. It'll be our fault, those of us who didn't recognize Donald Trump's true greatness. And then, because Trump is old, he'll die a few years from now, cursing us for our non-support with his dying breath and wishing Megyn Kelly had seen his tweets for what they really were: love letters, desperate cries for love and attention from a woman who would give him neither.
Tragic, really. Kinda sorta like Citizen Kane.
Posted by: troyriser at March 21, 2016 06:29 PM (Au69S)
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Funny, but really, beside the point. You do not have to recognize Trump's brilliance, or even like the guy. You just need to recognize the fucking obvious, that he is better than Hillary. If you cannot recognize that, you are either a Democrat or really really shortsighted.
Tragic, really. Kinda sorta like Citizen Kane.
Posted by: troyriser at March 21, 2016 06:29 PM (Au69S)
____________________
Funny, but really, beside the point. You do not have to recognize Trump's brilliance, or even like the guy. You just need to recognize the fucking obvious, that he is better than Hillary. If you cannot recognize that, you are either a Democrat or really really shortsighted.
Posted by: tommylotto at March 21, 2016 06:57 PM (A3a8d)
607
Is it really Trump supporters that are the angry ones?
Do people sitting with a half lap lead in first place get angry most of the time?
Do people sitting with a half lap lead in first place get angry most of the time?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 06:57 PM (ubByS)
608
If Cruz doesn't win Arizona tomorrow it won't happen.
That will be telling. But I don't see any reason for Ted not to run out the primaries for whatever leverage he can muster..
That will be telling. But I don't see any reason for Ted not to run out the primaries for whatever leverage he can muster..
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at March 21, 2016 06:57 PM (rwI+c)
609
It's not like Trump supporters are real people. They're just a bunch of sister-driving, truck-humping, meth-cooking, hentai-fapping, stupid, toothless, redneck, racist, neo-nazi evolutionary dead-ends. Their vile nests should be fumigated and burned with them in it.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 21, 2016 06:57 PM (0mRoj)
610
For the record, I want to repeal and replace the GOP.
OW! Turn off the mike before you drop it. I'm getting tinnitus here.
OW! Turn off the mike before you drop it. I'm getting tinnitus here.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 21, 2016 06:58 PM (6FqZa)
611
Because I think America belongs to Americans? Like India belongs to Indians? And China to the Chinese?
Or that it takes more than walking onto American soil to become American?
I want to know what conservatives who want America to belong to someone other than Americans think they are conserving.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 06:51 PM (uURQL)
E Pluribus Unum.
Or that it takes more than walking onto American soil to become American?
I want to know what conservatives who want America to belong to someone other than Americans think they are conserving.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 06:51 PM (uURQL)
E Pluribus Unum.
Posted by: flashoverride at March 21, 2016 06:58 PM (iQr18)
612
You people just type wayyyyy too fast.
Posted by: cdajoe at March 21, 2016 06:58 PM (s8wFP)
613
Take a deep breath, pull back, and ask yourself what is your desired
outcome, and which candidate has the best plan for actually bringing it
about.
Posted by: flashoverride at March 21, 2016 06:54 PM (iQr1
Dead GOPe.
At long last, we've identified the problem. That's the most important outcome that occurs to you? Not an end to the leftist reign of terror, nor the lawlessness? No, it's the GOPe. Because butthurt, apparently, overrides everything else.
outcome, and which candidate has the best plan for actually bringing it
about.
Posted by: flashoverride at March 21, 2016 06:54 PM (iQr1
Dead GOPe.
At long last, we've identified the problem. That's the most important outcome that occurs to you? Not an end to the leftist reign of terror, nor the lawlessness? No, it's the GOPe. Because butthurt, apparently, overrides everything else.
Posted by: pep at March 21, 2016 06:58 PM (LAe3v)
614
So, the nefarious "Alt-Right" is both pro and anti-Trump.
Got it.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix
It's like the Common Core Math that has George Soros funding protests against Trump, 'the liberal establishment candidate'.
Got it.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix
It's like the Common Core Math that has George Soros funding protests against Trump, 'the liberal establishment candidate'.
Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 06:58 PM (HA9zO)
Posted by: eman at March 21, 2016 06:59 PM (Jd5BD)
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The same people that are making the case that "Trump loses to Hillary because polls!!!" are then trying to say Cruz is still in this thing. I guess those polls get to be ignored where Cruz is losing everywhere to Trump?
It's over, and if you want Cruz/Kasich to some how steal it at the Convention in order to make a point, we go from an uphill climb to a 45 state landslide loss.
So conservatives are going to need a gut check at how much Trump being a narcissist and petty (unlike every politician on Earth) is a dealbreaker for them.
It's over, and if you want Cruz/Kasich to some how steal it at the Convention in order to make a point, we go from an uphill climb to a 45 state landslide loss.
So conservatives are going to need a gut check at how much Trump being a narcissist and petty (unlike every politician on Earth) is a dealbreaker for them.
Posted by: Baldwin at March 21, 2016 06:59 PM (bytzL)
617
Reality:
Cruz needs Arizona; Cruz is down in the polls in Arizona.
Unless there's a miracle, it's unlikely Cruz gets the delegates without Arizona.
Cruz needs Arizona; Cruz is down in the polls in Arizona.
Unless there's a miracle, it's unlikely Cruz gets the delegates without Arizona.
Posted by: Matthew at March 21, 2016 06:59 PM (7pEow)
618
"Trump can win Florida, Ohio and a few others. Doesn't matter if he loses MA by 30%. "
PA in play too. But you are looking at electoral maps. Only polls are allowed to be entered into evidence.
PA in play too. But you are looking at electoral maps. Only polls are allowed to be entered into evidence.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 21, 2016 06:59 PM (WnCSK)
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OOPS! I was going to add that beyond the 1150, he either needs to have Cruz implode, or work his negotiating magic on the unbound delegates in the FIRST vote. If he needs them, he probably won't need many.
Cruz will only have 2/3 of the votes, BTW, and why would the establishment give it to HIM, if they're willing to say FU to the actual voters?
Cruz will only have 2/3 of the votes, BTW, and why would the establishment give it to HIM, if they're willing to say FU to the actual voters?
Posted by: Optimizer at March 21, 2016 06:59 PM (/q6+P)
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>>>OK I'll bite what the fuck is "cuck"
Cuck comes from Cuckservative, an insult the Alt-Right popularized against conservatives. It comes from the concept of cuckholding, letting another man fuck your wife because you get off on it or something. The implication being that the Cuckservatives are happy to stand by and watch their country get fucked while they do nothing.
It's not just meant for the Establishment types either. It applies to ALL conservatives, which they view as a dead ideology that helped the 'muds' take over the country. It is constantly being spammed into the twitter feeds of conservative pundits and commentators and has driven some of them insane (Rick Wilson, RBPundit, AG_Conservative, etc).
It's why you had so many people denouncing conservatism and declaring it 'over' when Trump dropped out of C-Pac. Spin that came directly from the alt-right on the same day.
Cuck comes from Cuckservative, an insult the Alt-Right popularized against conservatives. It comes from the concept of cuckholding, letting another man fuck your wife because you get off on it or something. The implication being that the Cuckservatives are happy to stand by and watch their country get fucked while they do nothing.
It's not just meant for the Establishment types either. It applies to ALL conservatives, which they view as a dead ideology that helped the 'muds' take over the country. It is constantly being spammed into the twitter feeds of conservative pundits and commentators and has driven some of them insane (Rick Wilson, RBPundit, AG_Conservative, etc).
It's why you had so many people denouncing conservatism and declaring it 'over' when Trump dropped out of C-Pac. Spin that came directly from the alt-right on the same day.
Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 06:59 PM (MCmqp)
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Baldi, I'm not sure if he's a plant, but otherwise, well said. The only reason I'm considering voting for him in the general is because of all the evil Hillary has done in her long and sordid career. If it were Bernie vs. Trump I would either stay home or write someone else in.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 21, 2016 07:00 PM (L7t0A)
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Dave in Fla helpfully posted a link to an RCP polling summary from the 2012 cycle.
However, I believe (could be wrong) that the total available record, going back as long as there was national head/head polling for presidential races, shows almost without exception that March leaders were November losers. 2012 might be one of those few exceptions.
Some commenter posted a summary of the actual winter/November numbers for eventual nominees, stretching back to the 60s (?). Think it was last week.
Yes, polling has changed, but head/head surveys are fairly binary and not subject to question-bias or "framework" bias, compared to lots of polling. So there probably is a fair amount of comparability.
Anyway, it is quite reasonable to sketch out specific electoral/regional/etc. reasons Candidate A will have trouble in the fall against Candidate B, but head/head polling in the primary season has, apparently, not been a reliable tools, based on past history.
Yet people will continue to attempt to "prove" the inevitability of such and such an outcome, 5 months from now, based on current head/head polling. Fun perhaps, but not a serious exercise, if actual polling history is consulted.
However, I believe (could be wrong) that the total available record, going back as long as there was national head/head polling for presidential races, shows almost without exception that March leaders were November losers. 2012 might be one of those few exceptions.
Some commenter posted a summary of the actual winter/November numbers for eventual nominees, stretching back to the 60s (?). Think it was last week.
Yes, polling has changed, but head/head surveys are fairly binary and not subject to question-bias or "framework" bias, compared to lots of polling. So there probably is a fair amount of comparability.
Anyway, it is quite reasonable to sketch out specific electoral/regional/etc. reasons Candidate A will have trouble in the fall against Candidate B, but head/head polling in the primary season has, apparently, not been a reliable tools, based on past history.
Yet people will continue to attempt to "prove" the inevitability of such and such an outcome, 5 months from now, based on current head/head polling. Fun perhaps, but not a serious exercise, if actual polling history is consulted.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2016 07:00 PM (QDnY+)
623
"awful legacy of the last eight years"
You guys would be astonished who said that, but when the top mainstream Democrats are ragging on the Obama administration, a new Democratic presidency is by no means guaranteed.
Yes, there are some Republicans who are too cowardly, stupid, and mendacious to just come out for Hillary like they obviously want to, so they attach to #NeverTrump either overtly or covertly. I can respect people who support Cruz because they like conservatism, but Hillary with the bomb? The proven incompetent criminal lunatic who hates conservatives?
Thankfully there are far more Americans who will never sit still for that.
You guys would be astonished who said that, but when the top mainstream Democrats are ragging on the Obama administration, a new Democratic presidency is by no means guaranteed.
Yes, there are some Republicans who are too cowardly, stupid, and mendacious to just come out for Hillary like they obviously want to, so they attach to #NeverTrump either overtly or covertly. I can respect people who support Cruz because they like conservatism, but Hillary with the bomb? The proven incompetent criminal lunatic who hates conservatives?
Thankfully there are far more Americans who will never sit still for that.
Posted by: trev006 at March 21, 2016 07:00 PM (MEHba)
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OK I'll bite what the fuck is "cuck"
Act of a cuckoo on a cuckold. Cuckoo birds lay their eggs in another type of bird's nest, and the cuckoo hatchling kills the bird's actual offspring and steals their identity. Is raised by the cuckolded bird until it leaves the nest.
From the animal, is extended to interpersonal human affairs when a husband brings up the child of another man. (wife's infidelity)
To the political, refers to conservatives who do not actually conserve the nation of America, instead demanding rights and privileges to those who walked over the border and treating those immigrants as an equal to the American.
Act of a cuckoo on a cuckold. Cuckoo birds lay their eggs in another type of bird's nest, and the cuckoo hatchling kills the bird's actual offspring and steals their identity. Is raised by the cuckolded bird until it leaves the nest.
From the animal, is extended to interpersonal human affairs when a husband brings up the child of another man. (wife's infidelity)
To the political, refers to conservatives who do not actually conserve the nation of America, instead demanding rights and privileges to those who walked over the border and treating those immigrants as an equal to the American.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 07:00 PM (uURQL)
625
"If Cruz doesn't win Arizona tomorrow it won't happen."
Thought he tightened it up with Trump in the polls no?
It is tighter, but the delegate math depends on Cruz winning Arizona and Utah. If he can't win them both, then he isn't getting the unified support he needs to win the necessary winner take all states. Cruz has a path to 1237 while losing NY and NJ, but only if he wins Arizona (winning Utah is a given).
Anyway, per the poll today, the vote is splitting between Cruz, Kasich, and Trump. That means Cruz won't get the votes he needs in the later states.
Thought he tightened it up with Trump in the polls no?
It is tighter, but the delegate math depends on Cruz winning Arizona and Utah. If he can't win them both, then he isn't getting the unified support he needs to win the necessary winner take all states. Cruz has a path to 1237 while losing NY and NJ, but only if he wins Arizona (winning Utah is a given).
Anyway, per the poll today, the vote is splitting between Cruz, Kasich, and Trump. That means Cruz won't get the votes he needs in the later states.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 21, 2016 07:00 PM (kBIIG)
626
Trump supporters, ad nauseum: Yeah, he lies but so does everyone else, yeah, Trump did that but so did so and so. He's killing it at AIPAC but what he says outside of AIPAC is completely different, but that's ok. He's manipulating the voters, yeah, isn't it great! Show me proof Cruz can beat Hillary, you give no proof. What about the polls? They don't believe the polls unless the polls support Trump. He gave money to democrats for decades and supported and contributed to Washington corruption, that's just cause he's a businessman and they all do it. Yes he lies, changes his positions and is way over his head but he's gonna build a wall, a BIG wall! How do you know that if he's lied repeatedly? Because he said so! Carson is like a pedophile, oh that's just part of the game. Personal destruction from Alinsky 101.
I'll give Trump credit for one thing. He selling himself and he knows his base just like Obama did. They are easily led. Easily lied to. Easily manipulated. He was right when he said he could shoot someone in the middle of the street and his supporters would still support him. Pathetic. Ace is exactly right. 1/3 of those voting for Trump don't have a clue what they will get if Trump were to win the nomination let alone the Presidency, but Trump, Trump, Trump. And we're all screwed. Trump's "game" has cost this country great future leaders. What will the Trump supporters rationalization so be then? Ask a few disenchanted Obama supporters.
I'll give Trump credit for one thing. He selling himself and he knows his base just like Obama did. They are easily led. Easily lied to. Easily manipulated. He was right when he said he could shoot someone in the middle of the street and his supporters would still support him. Pathetic. Ace is exactly right. 1/3 of those voting for Trump don't have a clue what they will get if Trump were to win the nomination let alone the Presidency, but Trump, Trump, Trump. And we're all screwed. Trump's "game" has cost this country great future leaders. What will the Trump supporters rationalization so be then? Ask a few disenchanted Obama supporters.
Posted by: Whippet at March 21, 2016 07:01 PM (YwQCs)
627
Is uncontrollable coughing a symptom of ass chiggers?
Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2016 07:01 PM (e3bId)
628
To the political, refers to conservatives who do not actually conserve the nation of America, instead demanding rights and privileges to those who walked over the border and treating those immigrants as an equal to the American.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 07:00 PM (uURQL)
Sounds like a liberal to me?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 07:00 PM (uURQL)
Sounds like a liberal to me?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 07:01 PM (mw8Dm)
Posted by: Optimizer at March 21, 2016 07:01 PM (/q6+P)
630
Hillary's been a closet lesbian married to Bill Clinton for decades. She's allowed brave, honorable people to die horrible, violent deaths purely out of political expediency. She's allowed close, lifelong friends to take the fall for her without batting an eye. She's *this close* to achieving her life's sole dream.
There is nothing Trump could say or do that will throw her off her game.
Posted by: troyriser at March 21, 2016 06:56 PM (Au69S)
She's an insane power-hungry harridan who snaps at her own USSS security detail, won't speak with anyone who hasn't been vetted, and is known for screaming abuse at her minions. Nobody takes this woman to task. Nobody. Not to her face, certainly. Not for two hours.
All that is required for the right thing to be done in our politics is for someone to decide to actually DO IT.
There is nothing Trump could say or do that will throw her off her game.
Posted by: troyriser at March 21, 2016 06:56 PM (Au69S)
She's an insane power-hungry harridan who snaps at her own USSS security detail, won't speak with anyone who hasn't been vetted, and is known for screaming abuse at her minions. Nobody takes this woman to task. Nobody. Not to her face, certainly. Not for two hours.
All that is required for the right thing to be done in our politics is for someone to decide to actually DO IT.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 07:02 PM (ubByS)
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They call themselves "Alt Right"
They appear to be young, and love the word cuckservative. I have no idea how many there are but they are real, very vocal and some, very anti Jew, as in wild Jewish conspiracy theories
They call themselves "Alt Right"
They appear to be young, and love the word cuckservative. I have no idea how many there are but they are real, very vocal and some, very anti Jew, as in wild Jewish conspiracy theories
Posted by: ThunderB at March 21, 2016 07:02 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Skeezix at March 21, 2016 07:02 PM (WnCSK)
633
>>>AZ is only going to save the Republican Party from destroying itself.
And with half the vote already in.....that's pretty much it.
And with half the vote already in.....that's pretty much it.
Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 07:02 PM (MCmqp)
634
and has driven some of them insane (Rick Wilson, RBPundit, AG_Conservative, etc).
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I think these cases were damaged long before this insult became so prevalent.
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I think these cases were damaged long before this insult became so prevalent.
Posted by: The Nayden Broad at March 21, 2016 07:02 PM (0VSJ4)
635
Posted by: ThunderB at March 21, 2016 07:02 PM (zOTsN)
a mix of alex jones types.
They exist.
But so do a lot of moby's and people with hundreds of social media accounts.
So I take it all with a grain of salt.
a mix of alex jones types.
They exist.
But so do a lot of moby's and people with hundreds of social media accounts.
So I take it all with a grain of salt.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 21, 2016 07:03 PM (AkOaV)
636
Dead GOPe. The contortions they are going through to deny Trump the nomination indicates this is on track.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 06:56 PM (uURQL)
Okay, and what does that accomplish? Your goal is simply the destruction of the only entity capable of impeding the liberals slow march through the institutions. Do you think "destroying the GOPe" will somehow usher in an era of new True Conservatives? Spoiler: it won't. The only organized group left, the liberals, will consolidate support and dominate the public square.Do I wish that the GOP was more conservative? Absolutely. But wishing and hoping aren't methods.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 06:56 PM (uURQL)
Okay, and what does that accomplish? Your goal is simply the destruction of the only entity capable of impeding the liberals slow march through the institutions. Do you think "destroying the GOPe" will somehow usher in an era of new True Conservatives? Spoiler: it won't. The only organized group left, the liberals, will consolidate support and dominate the public square.Do I wish that the GOP was more conservative? Absolutely. But wishing and hoping aren't methods.
Posted by: flashoverride at March 21, 2016 07:03 PM (iQr18)
637
>>>They appear to be young, and love the word cuckservative. I have no idea how many there are but they are real, very vocal and some, very anti Jew, as in wild Jewish conspiracy theories
Their numbers are most likely inflating with ghost accounts and what not. But they are very LOUD and very good at working the internet. Most their online efforts come directly from 4Chan's /pol/ board.
Their numbers are most likely inflating with ghost accounts and what not. But they are very LOUD and very good at working the internet. Most their online efforts come directly from 4Chan's /pol/ board.
Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 07:03 PM (MCmqp)
638
Spin that came directly from the alt-right on the same day.
I think explaining all this - and not to criticize you,El kabong! far from it - but voicing it in a more visited AoS environment . . . well you're giving way too much of a platform for drivel spouted by a few crazy "pickup artist" type weirdos.
It's really, really, REALLY not a thing. It's a "political movement" consisting of maybe a few thousand teenaged boys.
Also a handy bugaboo, I think.
I think explaining all this - and not to criticize you,El kabong! far from it - but voicing it in a more visited AoS environment . . . well you're giving way too much of a platform for drivel spouted by a few crazy "pickup artist" type weirdos.
It's really, really, REALLY not a thing. It's a "political movement" consisting of maybe a few thousand teenaged boys.
Also a handy bugaboo, I think.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at March 21, 2016 07:03 PM (TLX//)
639
The GOPe couldn't possibly be that stupid. No, I'm not being facetious: they simply couldn't expect the party to survive if they tried to foist off a Bush or a Kasich on us.
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From your fingertips to God's spectacles but remember fall 2014 then winter 2014 - 15.
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From your fingertips to God's spectacles but remember fall 2014 then winter 2014 - 15.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 21, 2016 07:04 PM (Nwg0u)
640
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 07:00 PM (uURQL)
That is a pretty sanitized version of what the actual term means and how the stormfront guys use it on a daily basis. Certainly how they use it every day on Twitter.
Reality: It refers to anyone that isn't a white nationalist- as they are betraying their race in service of allowing white women to breed with the genetic impure through failure to enact racist/white nationalist policies.
That is a pretty sanitized version of what the actual term means and how the stormfront guys use it on a daily basis. Certainly how they use it every day on Twitter.
Reality: It refers to anyone that isn't a white nationalist- as they are betraying their race in service of allowing white women to breed with the genetic impure through failure to enact racist/white nationalist policies.
Posted by: bob at March 21, 2016 07:04 PM (wROs3)
641
I want a President that is a Conservative Christian and believes that marriage is a sacred union between one man and... three or more trophy wives.
That's why I support Trump.
That's why I support Trump.
Posted by: Sooper Smart Conservative at March 21, 2016 07:04 PM (XItbt)
642
I knew that checmjeff was on to something when notorious alt-right leader Ben Carson endorsed Trump.
Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 07:04 PM (HA9zO)
643
They call themselves "Alt Right"
They appear to be young, and love the word cuckservative. I have no idea how many there are but they are real, very vocal and some, very anti Jew, as in wild Jewish conspiracy theories
Posted by: ThunderB at March 21, 2016 07:02 PM (zOTsN)
Never heard of them and what the fuck do they have to do with trump or normal conservatives and why do fake republicans like chemjeff bring them up? What is his point? What possible relationship do they have to reality?
They appear to be young, and love the word cuckservative. I have no idea how many there are but they are real, very vocal and some, very anti Jew, as in wild Jewish conspiracy theories
Posted by: ThunderB at March 21, 2016 07:02 PM (zOTsN)
Never heard of them and what the fuck do they have to do with trump or normal conservatives and why do fake republicans like chemjeff bring them up? What is his point? What possible relationship do they have to reality?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 07:04 PM (mw8Dm)
644
1980 Reagan will get us into a nuclear war!
2016: Same shit.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 21, 2016 06:11 PM (oVJmc)
You forgot 1964:
Goldwater will get us into a nuclear war!
*****
You forgot 1828.
Andrew Jackson will get us into a nuclear war!
2016: Same shit.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 21, 2016 06:11 PM (oVJmc)
You forgot 1964:
Goldwater will get us into a nuclear war!
*****
You forgot 1828.
Andrew Jackson will get us into a nuclear war!
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 21, 2016 07:04 PM (NeFrd)
645
They're not "right" about anything, they're not "alt" anything, they're nazi-sympathizers.
Isn't alt-right leftover from the Usenet/UUCP days.
Isn't alt-right leftover from the Usenet/UUCP days.
Posted by: DaveA My Acoustic Coupler is on Vic's Lawn at March 21, 2016 07:05 PM (DL2i+)
646
Most their online efforts come directly from 4Chan's /pol/ board.
Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 07:03 PM (MCmqp)
Oh well there is a reputable site. I'm sold
Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 07:03 PM (MCmqp)
Oh well there is a reputable site. I'm sold
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 07:05 PM (mw8Dm)
647
Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 06:59 PM (MCmqp)
To be fair word on the street is Rick Wilson has been clinically insane for years. His family has been putting corks on his forks for a long time now.
To be fair word on the street is Rick Wilson has been clinically insane for years. His family has been putting corks on his forks for a long time now.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 21, 2016 07:05 PM (4ErVI)
648
That's the most important outcome that occurs to you? Not an end to the leftist reign of terror, nor the lawlessness? No, it's the GOPe. Because butthurt, apparently, overrides everything else.
It's not about "butthurt" to the people who want to see the GOPe die; it's about eliminating a false opposition to the leftist reign of terror in hopes that a true opposition can arise in its place.
And since Trump has taken more courageous stances against the whole leftist matrix ("political correctness") than any other candidate since, at least, Buchanan in 2000... Trump supporters believe he's that true opposition.
They might be wrong. But it's not simple "butthurt".
It's not about "butthurt" to the people who want to see the GOPe die; it's about eliminating a false opposition to the leftist reign of terror in hopes that a true opposition can arise in its place.
And since Trump has taken more courageous stances against the whole leftist matrix ("political correctness") than any other candidate since, at least, Buchanan in 2000... Trump supporters believe he's that true opposition.
They might be wrong. But it's not simple "butthurt".
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 21, 2016 07:05 PM (6FqZa)
649
What is his point? What possible relationship do they have to reality?
I think they're like a bunch of pasty, meme-spewing, porn-watching straw men
I think they're like a bunch of pasty, meme-spewing, porn-watching straw men
Posted by: BlackOrchid at March 21, 2016 07:06 PM (TLX//)
650
Andrew Jackson will get us into a nuclear war!
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon
Muldoon you are national treasure.
Andrew Jackson will get us into a nuclear war!
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon
Muldoon you are national treasure.
Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 07:06 PM (HA9zO)
651
There is nothing Trump could say or do that will throw her off her game.
Posted by: troyriser at March 21, 2016 06:56 PM (Au69S)
Case in point: the Benghazi hearings where this woman, who would have been responsible for dozens of deaths if those brave men hasn't gone in to help, lied her wide behind off without breaking a sweat.
Posted by: troyriser at March 21, 2016 06:56 PM (Au69S)
Case in point: the Benghazi hearings where this woman, who would have been responsible for dozens of deaths if those brave men hasn't gone in to help, lied her wide behind off without breaking a sweat.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 21, 2016 07:06 PM (L7t0A)
652
Sounds like a liberal to me?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 07:01 PM (mw8Dm)
Liberals are indeed cucks. Cuckservative is a label for the conservatives who currently support liberal goals of cucking the nation despite all the observable damage it is doing.
Everyone who supports amnesty, basically. Rubio and Kasich, and all sorts of conservative pundits.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 07:01 PM (mw8Dm)
Liberals are indeed cucks. Cuckservative is a label for the conservatives who currently support liberal goals of cucking the nation despite all the observable damage it is doing.
Everyone who supports amnesty, basically. Rubio and Kasich, and all sorts of conservative pundits.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 07:06 PM (uURQL)
653
...There is nothing Trump could say or do that will throw her off her game...
I agree. Hilary's game is to secretly stab someone in the back when no one is watching. Usually using a Government agency to do it. If Hillary can do this to Trump, Cruz, or whoever is the R nominee she wins.
I'm pretty sure she won't last a year in office. Too many people hate her who can bring effective voodoo dolls to bear. No stamina.
I agree. Hilary's game is to secretly stab someone in the back when no one is watching. Usually using a Government agency to do it. If Hillary can do this to Trump, Cruz, or whoever is the R nominee she wins.
I'm pretty sure she won't last a year in office. Too many people hate her who can bring effective voodoo dolls to bear. No stamina.
Posted by: scorecard at March 21, 2016 07:07 PM (CRXed)
654
"Trump is giving a great speech at AIPAC."
I agree. I am not a Trump fan (to put it very mildly), but I'm about ten minutes into the archived version right now, and he is definitely giving a great speech.
I agree. I am not a Trump fan (to put it very mildly), but I'm about ten minutes into the archived version right now, and he is definitely giving a great speech.
Posted by: Trumps of Doom at March 21, 2016 07:07 PM (CcpUn)
655
Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 07:04 PM (HA9zO)
Dude it's entirely possible for Carson to endorse Trump and a bunch racist troglodytes to want Trump to win as well.
Dude it's entirely possible for Carson to endorse Trump and a bunch racist troglodytes to want Trump to win as well.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 07:07 PM (R5HRU)
656
Their numbers are most likely inflating with ghost accounts and what not. But they are very LOUD and very good at working the internet.
Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 07:03 PM (MCmqp)
Don't forget "our" vast reserves of wealth that we use to stock so many Trump events with paid drones, given that "we" obviously ghost all over the Internet and do not otherwise exist.
But of course, I'm not a member of the alt right.
Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 07:03 PM (MCmqp)
Don't forget "our" vast reserves of wealth that we use to stock so many Trump events with paid drones, given that "we" obviously ghost all over the Internet and do not otherwise exist.
But of course, I'm not a member of the alt right.
Posted by: trev006 at March 21, 2016 07:07 PM (MEHba)
657
After this thread I am now sure I picked the wrong year to give up driniking
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 07:07 PM (mw8Dm)
658
I'll give Trump credit for one thing. He selling himself and he knows
his base just like Obama did. They are easily led. Easily lied to.
Easily manipulated.
I finally got around to reading the much-condemned Kevin Williamson piece that says that most of working class America's problems could be solved by better behavior. I don't really understand the problem with this concept. Yes, Obama has screwed things up, but the fact is that what he (KW) described is something that the highly educated take for granted. You move to where the jobs are, and don't just bitch and shoot up because your life isn't what you expected it would be. And you sure as hell don't fall in love with whomever tells you not to worry, that he'll make it all okay.
For God's sake, Trump is not your Daddy.
his base just like Obama did. They are easily led. Easily lied to.
Easily manipulated.
I finally got around to reading the much-condemned Kevin Williamson piece that says that most of working class America's problems could be solved by better behavior. I don't really understand the problem with this concept. Yes, Obama has screwed things up, but the fact is that what he (KW) described is something that the highly educated take for granted. You move to where the jobs are, and don't just bitch and shoot up because your life isn't what you expected it would be. And you sure as hell don't fall in love with whomever tells you not to worry, that he'll make it all okay.
For God's sake, Trump is not your Daddy.
Posted by: pep at March 21, 2016 07:07 PM (LAe3v)
659
Case in point: the Benghazi hearings where this woman, who would have been responsible for dozens of deaths if those brave men hasn't gone in to help, lied her wide behind off without breaking a sweat.
yeah, but Chique, haven't we learned by now . . . that was a friendly audience for her. Even the R side of the aisle. She was Protected.
yeah, but Chique, haven't we learned by now . . . that was a friendly audience for her. Even the R side of the aisle. She was Protected.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at March 21, 2016 07:07 PM (TLX//)
660
Dig it, man.
Posted by: Sal Paradise at March 21, 2016 07:07 PM (aRUb8)
661
It's not about "butthurt" to the people who want to
see the GOPe die; it's about eliminating a false opposition to the
leftist reign of terror in hopes that a true opposition can arise in its
place.
And since Trump has taken more courageous stances against the whole
leftist matrix ("political correctness") than any other candidate since,
at least, Buchanan in 2000... Trump supporters believe he's that true
opposition.
They might be wrong. But it's not simple "butthurt".
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 21, 2016 07:05 PM (6FqZa)
"In hopes"Hope is not a method.
see the GOPe die; it's about eliminating a false opposition to the
leftist reign of terror in hopes that a true opposition can arise in its
place.
And since Trump has taken more courageous stances against the whole
leftist matrix ("political correctness") than any other candidate since,
at least, Buchanan in 2000... Trump supporters believe he's that true
opposition.
They might be wrong. But it's not simple "butthurt".
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 21, 2016 07:05 PM (6FqZa)
"In hopes"Hope is not a method.
Posted by: flashoverride at March 21, 2016 07:07 PM (iQr18)
Posted by: DaveA at March 21, 2016 07:08 PM (DL2i+)
663
Ace- you're worried about giving Trump the bomb? He is basically saying he wants to end NATO and get out of Korea. This is old right, Pat Buchanan-style isolationist foreign policy. I take his comments to mean he will be avoiding war, not looking for one. Compare that to John McCain, who joked about bombing Iran as we gave him the nomination.
Posted by: Matt at March 21, 2016 07:08 PM (90w0O)
664
yeah, but Chique, haven't we learned by now . . . that was a friendly audience for her. Even the R side of the aisle. She was Protected.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at March 21, 2016 07:07 PM (TLX//)
The audience will be much friendlier during the debates.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at March 21, 2016 07:07 PM (TLX//)
The audience will be much friendlier during the debates.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 21, 2016 07:08 PM (L7t0A)
665
Just imagine Andrew Jackson with nukes.
That old sumbitch probably would've gone around with one strapped to his chest.
That old sumbitch probably would've gone around with one strapped to his chest.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 21, 2016 07:08 PM (4ErVI)
666
Right, let's just chalk it up to butthurt.
The GOP has screwed us over. For years.
Butthurt, my ass.
Right, let's just chalk it up to butthurt.
The GOP has screwed us over. For years.
Butthurt, my ass.
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 21, 2016 07:08 PM (o2321)
Posted by: mrp at March 21, 2016 07:08 PM (JBggj)
668
"Case in point: the Benghazi hearings where this woman, who would have been responsible for dozens of deaths if those brave men hasn't gone in to help, lied her wide behind off without breaking a sweat."
Terrible example. Those were formal hearings on the hill with sitting politicians. There is typically always a certain level of courtesy, decorum and respect shown.
What we are taling about now is a presidential campaign that most everyone has conceded will become just about as ugly as it gets.
Your compariosn isn't even close...
Terrible example. Those were formal hearings on the hill with sitting politicians. There is typically always a certain level of courtesy, decorum and respect shown.
What we are taling about now is a presidential campaign that most everyone has conceded will become just about as ugly as it gets.
Your compariosn isn't even close...
Posted by: Skeezix at March 21, 2016 07:09 PM (WnCSK)
669
I really haven't decided what I'll do come Nov. I guess I don't have a label. Confusedervative?
Posted by: Minnfidel at March 21, 2016 07:09 PM (btH0m)
670
@625 "... Cruz has a path to 1237 while losing NY and NJ, but only if he wins Arizona (winning Utah is a given)."
The only "path to 1237" for Cruz would have to be through CO, because that's where pot is legal now. When Trump gets about 90 more delegates, Cruz is mathematically eliminated. Trump polled 64% in NY, which gives him all 95 delegates there, and that's 19APR.
Cruz is as good as done, to even talk about him is kind of silly. This new life he's talking about might help him in WI, but after that he's mathematically out, and hoping the establishment-selected delegates will vote for the guy in a distant second, instead of picking Kasich, as long as they're FU to the primary voters.
The only "path to 1237" for Cruz would have to be through CO, because that's where pot is legal now. When Trump gets about 90 more delegates, Cruz is mathematically eliminated. Trump polled 64% in NY, which gives him all 95 delegates there, and that's 19APR.
Cruz is as good as done, to even talk about him is kind of silly. This new life he's talking about might help him in WI, but after that he's mathematically out, and hoping the establishment-selected delegates will vote for the guy in a distant second, instead of picking Kasich, as long as they're FU to the primary voters.
Posted by: Optimizer at March 21, 2016 07:09 PM (/q6+P)
671
Okay, and what does that accomplish? Your goal is simply the destruction
of the only entity capable of impeding the liberals slow march through
the institutions.
Objection. Assumes facts not in evidence.
The slow march is pretty much complete. And even if one stipulates that the GOPe is, in fact, "capable of impeding", there is little-to-no evidence they even want to at this point.
of the only entity capable of impeding the liberals slow march through
the institutions.
Objection. Assumes facts not in evidence.
The slow march is pretty much complete. And even if one stipulates that the GOPe is, in fact, "capable of impeding", there is little-to-no evidence they even want to at this point.
Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose at March 21, 2016 07:09 PM (ml1PM)
672
#NeverHillary
Posted by: Feh at March 21, 2016 07:09 PM (Uk9e2)
673
I don't know why Ace is worried about giving Trump THE Bomb but the time Fredo leaves Officer we will not have any working ones. Sigh
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 07:09 PM (mw8Dm)
674
>What would stop a President Trump from nuking Mecca?
That would be an ok start, but really, more symbolic than effective.
Unless you do it during the Hadj.
That would be an ok start, but really, more symbolic than effective.
Unless you do it during the Hadj.
Posted by: garrett at March 21, 2016 07:09 PM (F3ax6)
675
They call themselves "Alt Right".... I have no idea how many there are but they are real, very vocal and some, very anti Jew, as in wild Jewish conspiracy theories
Posted by: ThunderB
wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right
Looks just like a bunch of wobbly guts GOPe doxies pointing at the trolls on their twitter feeds and calling it a "movement" to smear their other political opponents and play the eternal victim.
They call themselves "Alt Right".... I have no idea how many there are but they are real, very vocal and some, very anti Jew, as in wild Jewish conspiracy theories
Posted by: ThunderB
wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right
Looks just like a bunch of wobbly guts GOPe doxies pointing at the trolls on their twitter feeds and calling it a "movement" to smear their other political opponents and play the eternal victim.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 21, 2016 07:09 PM (kdS6q)
676
1. Destroy the GOPe
2. ...
3. Reagantopia!!
^^ I can certainly see this as a cogent anti-Trump argument, for its part.
2. ...
3. Reagantopia!!
^^ I can certainly see this as a cogent anti-Trump argument, for its part.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 21, 2016 07:10 PM (6FqZa)
677
Dude it's entirely possible for Carson to endorse Trump and a bunch racist troglodytes to want Trump to win as well.
Posted by: thathalfrican
Do any racist troglodytes support Cruz?
If you don't have that data, why not?
Posted by: thathalfrican
Do any racist troglodytes support Cruz?
If you don't have that data, why not?
Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 07:10 PM (HA9zO)
678
>>>>I think explaining all this - and not to criticize you,El kabong! far from it - but voicing it in a more visited AoS environment . . . well you're giving way too much of a platform for drivel spouted by a few crazy "pickup artist" type weirdos.
Sorry, but I've seen way too much alt-right spin and talking-points worming it's way into non-alt-right comments and spin lately. They play a factor. They know how to work the internet and get their message heard.
I've talked to a lot of them. I've listened to them. Read what they write. They think this is their moment and their time and they will not be denied.
Think of it this way...I'm not a Trump guy but I am a nominal political ally against the left. Maybe this is a warning that there is a problem looming that needs to be dealt with rather than being ignored.
Sorry, but I've seen way too much alt-right spin and talking-points worming it's way into non-alt-right comments and spin lately. They play a factor. They know how to work the internet and get their message heard.
I've talked to a lot of them. I've listened to them. Read what they write. They think this is their moment and their time and they will not be denied.
Think of it this way...I'm not a Trump guy but I am a nominal political ally against the left. Maybe this is a warning that there is a problem looming that needs to be dealt with rather than being ignored.
Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 07:10 PM (MCmqp)
679
After calling Ben Shapiro a "pathetic little Jew-Boy" and a "cuckservative Heeb" the heads at Breitbart are spinning after their Golden Calf just gave a speech at AIPAC.
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at March 21, 2016 07:10 PM (oK19E)
680
? Your goal is simply the destruction of the only entity capable of impeding the liberals slow march through the institutions. Do you think "destroying the GOPe" will somehow usher in an era of new True Conservatives? Spoiler: it won't. The only organized group left, the liberals, will consolidate support and dominate the public square.Do I wish that the GOP was more conservative? Absolutely. But wishing and hoping aren't methods.
Posted by: flashoverride at March 21, 2016 07:03 PM (iQr1
I think I believed that 10 years ago, when I was enthusiastically imitating this site's support for Bush and general conservative ideas.
Not today. GamerGate shows how weak the Left is ... and how much weaker the GOPe is. They reliably fold whenever the Race card is played.
The GOPe is a failure, and that is why it must be fired and replaced.
Trump is one type of replacement. There are other, nastier options that will follow if Trump fails.
Posted by: flashoverride at March 21, 2016 07:03 PM (iQr1
I think I believed that 10 years ago, when I was enthusiastically imitating this site's support for Bush and general conservative ideas.
Not today. GamerGate shows how weak the Left is ... and how much weaker the GOPe is. They reliably fold whenever the Race card is played.
The GOPe is a failure, and that is why it must be fired and replaced.
Trump is one type of replacement. There are other, nastier options that will follow if Trump fails.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 07:10 PM (uURQL)
681
I am not voting for Trump. I am voting for those that will advise him, Sessions, Giuliani, Laffer etc.
Posted by: oddnot not liking these times at March 21, 2016 07:10 PM (g1MTt)
682
wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right
Looks just like a bunch of wobbly guts GOPe doxies pointing at the trolls on their twitter feeds and calling it a "movement" to smear their other political opponents and play the eternal victim.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 21, 2016 07:09 PM (kdS6q)
But it is the foundation of ChemJeff's argument?
Looks just like a bunch of wobbly guts GOPe doxies pointing at the trolls on their twitter feeds and calling it a "movement" to smear their other political opponents and play the eternal victim.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 21, 2016 07:09 PM (kdS6q)
But it is the foundation of ChemJeff's argument?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 07:11 PM (mw8Dm)
683
Your compariosn isn't even close...
Posted by: Skeezix at March 21, 2016 07:09 PM (WnCSK)
I was talking about the debates. She will have friendly moderators. My comparison is inapt only in that there were some people who were at least nominally hostile to her.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 21, 2016 07:09 PM (WnCSK)
I was talking about the debates. She will have friendly moderators. My comparison is inapt only in that there were some people who were at least nominally hostile to her.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 21, 2016 07:11 PM (ZKlDy)
684
"cuckservative" is a favored term of the white nationalist crowd.
When you see someone use it, ask them what they thought of the last issue of Stormfront.
When you see someone use it, ask them what they thought of the last issue of Stormfront.
Posted by: DriveBy at March 21, 2016 07:11 PM (C9Vc8)
685
I told all of you this before, but this is personal for me. I'm about to lose my livelihood due to actions of the FTC. I'll support Trump in the general, not because I think he'll be a great president, but because there's a chance things get better. With Hilary there's no chance. So, you vote your conscience and I'll vote my personal interests.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 21, 2016 07:11 PM (kTF2Z)
686
few things are more depressing than defeatism
meantime, Trump and the start of a foreign policy team met with WaPo today on the record: Keith Kellogg, Carter Page, George Papadopoulos, Walid Phares and Joseph E. Schmitz
meantime, Trump and the start of a foreign policy team met with WaPo today on the record: Keith Kellogg, Carter Page, George Papadopoulos, Walid Phares and Joseph E. Schmitz
Posted by: Feh at March 21, 2016 07:11 PM (Uk9e2)
687
@669 "I really haven't decided what I'll do come Nov. I guess I don't have a label. Confusedervative?"
I can offer you yet another reading from brother Newt [Gingrich], from a night or two ago:
"... My only point would be, any President ends up in situations they didn't dream of, doing things they didn't think they would do. Do I think that Donald Trump, in some ways, will be frustrating and disappointing? Sure. Do I think Ted Cruz, in some ways, would be frustrating and disappointing? Sure. Do I think EITHER ONE OF THEM would be DRAMATICALLY better than Hillary Clinton? ABSOLUTELY, with NO question at all, for America's future, the gap between where Hillary will take us, in corruption, in union bossism, in Big Government destructiveness, and in radical values, and where EITHER Cruz OR Trump would take us is SO BIG, that no REASONABLE person can doubt that, whatever you think about Trump's sincerity, he will be DRAMATICALLY better than Hillary Clinton!"
So, as Laura Ingram put it, "Come to Jesus!"
I can offer you yet another reading from brother Newt [Gingrich], from a night or two ago:
"... My only point would be, any President ends up in situations they didn't dream of, doing things they didn't think they would do. Do I think that Donald Trump, in some ways, will be frustrating and disappointing? Sure. Do I think Ted Cruz, in some ways, would be frustrating and disappointing? Sure. Do I think EITHER ONE OF THEM would be DRAMATICALLY better than Hillary Clinton? ABSOLUTELY, with NO question at all, for America's future, the gap between where Hillary will take us, in corruption, in union bossism, in Big Government destructiveness, and in radical values, and where EITHER Cruz OR Trump would take us is SO BIG, that no REASONABLE person can doubt that, whatever you think about Trump's sincerity, he will be DRAMATICALLY better than Hillary Clinton!"
So, as Laura Ingram put it, "Come to Jesus!"
Posted by: Optimizer at March 21, 2016 07:12 PM (/q6+P)
688
Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose at March 21, 2016 07:09 PM (ml1PM)
Okay, and what is the plan for turning it back? There is one candidate who has an actual, implementable plan. That candidate is Ted Cruz.
Trump has absolutely no plan for walking anything back, since he isn't a conservative anyways.
Okay, and what is the plan for turning it back? There is one candidate who has an actual, implementable plan. That candidate is Ted Cruz.
Trump has absolutely no plan for walking anything back, since he isn't a conservative anyways.
Posted by: flashoverride at March 21, 2016 07:12 PM (iQr18)
689
So do these alt right people show up at Trump rallies and if so are they supporters or protesters?
Or are they just keyboard commandos?
Or are they just keyboard commandos?
Posted by: @votermom at March 21, 2016 07:12 PM (cbfNE)
690
Is uncontrollable coughing a symptom of ass chiggers?
Posted by: Weasel
..............................
I don't know, but I'm pretty sure I saw an serious case last night on Naked and Afraid.
Is uncontrollable coughing a symptom of ass chiggers?
Posted by: Weasel
..............................
I don't know, but I'm pretty sure I saw an serious case last night on Naked and Afraid.
Posted by: wth at March 21, 2016 07:12 PM (HgMAr)
691
"In hopes"Hope is not a method.
Posted by: flashoverride at March 21, 2016 07:07 PM (iQr1
Pay attention. Trump is the hopeful method.
Posted by: flashoverride at March 21, 2016 07:07 PM (iQr1
Pay attention. Trump is the hopeful method.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 07:12 PM (uURQL)
692
"Cruz is as good as done, to even talk about him is kind of silly."
So what is the consensus then. If Cruz no longer has a path and the GOP decides to play games at the convention, then they will surely not pick Cruz? They will go with some third party? I would not think they would take the risk? Then again...knowing these idiots.
So what is the consensus then. If Cruz no longer has a path and the GOP decides to play games at the convention, then they will surely not pick Cruz? They will go with some third party? I would not think they would take the risk? Then again...knowing these idiots.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 21, 2016 07:12 PM (WnCSK)
693
The Saudis suck at running the pilgrimage; every year it happens, there's fresh hajji sauce to scoop off the walls. Threatening to nuke Mecca would save Muslim lives, if fewer would go.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 21, 2016 07:12 PM (6FqZa)
694
"cuckservative" is a favored term of the white nationalist crowd.
When you see someone use it, ask them what they thought of the last issue of Stormfront.
Posted by: DriveBy at March 21, 2016 07:11 PM (C9Vc
Well the pin up on page 25 was hot
When you see someone use it, ask them what they thought of the last issue of Stormfront.
Posted by: DriveBy at March 21, 2016 07:11 PM (C9Vc
Well the pin up on page 25 was hot
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 07:12 PM (mw8Dm)
695
If we or Israel is nuked why would we not retaliate in kind? Because Trump might be the one who has to order it??? If you think that way, you are effing insane.
If we or Israel is nuked why would we not retaliate in kind? Because Trump might be the one who has to order it??? If you think that way, you are effing insane.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 21, 2016 07:12 PM (iQIUe)
696
>>Case in point: the Benghazi hearings where this woman, who would have been responsible for dozens of deaths if those brave men hasn't gone in to help, lied her wide behind off without breaking a sweat.
For 8 Hours.
Nobody else could have done that.
For 8 Hours.
Nobody else could have done that.
Posted by: garrett at March 21, 2016 07:12 PM (F3ax6)
697
are nuked...
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 21, 2016 07:12 PM (iQIUe)
698
I'm going to lose with Trump.
Looks like my vote this year is going to be a spite vote. So be it.
Looks like my vote this year is going to be a spite vote. So be it.
Posted by: Jay at March 21, 2016 07:12 PM (7QjjB)
699
Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 07:10 PM (HA9zO)
Probably it's entirely impossible for a movement to have no *insert what you don't like*
I however don't know how a white supremacist - the group we're talking about - could support a Cuban.
Probably it's entirely impossible for a movement to have no *insert what you don't like*
I however don't know how a white supremacist - the group we're talking about - could support a Cuban.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 07:12 PM (R5HRU)
700
You just need to recognize the fucking obvious, that he is better than
Hillary. If you cannot recognize that, you are either a Democrat or
really really shortsighted.
Or maybe we don't pretend that Trump is anything other than what he has always been in the past and what he has said he is - a thin-skinned authoritarian bully?
You people who say "oh, it's OBVIOUS that Trump is WAY better than Hillary, why, it's OBVIOUS, if you can't see that, it is just delusional TDS" are also the same ones who immediately discount any evidence that Trump is an authoritarian crapweasel
Hillary. If you cannot recognize that, you are either a Democrat or
really really shortsighted.
Or maybe we don't pretend that Trump is anything other than what he has always been in the past and what he has said he is - a thin-skinned authoritarian bully?
You people who say "oh, it's OBVIOUS that Trump is WAY better than Hillary, why, it's OBVIOUS, if you can't see that, it is just delusional TDS" are also the same ones who immediately discount any evidence that Trump is an authoritarian crapweasel
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 07:12 PM (+Fl7e)
701
I picked the wrong year to give up driniking
I don't know what driniking is but at least you can still get drunk.
I don't know what driniking is but at least you can still get drunk.
Posted by: Dr freakenfurter at March 21, 2016 07:13 PM (BO/km)
702
Oh, according to a fairly reliable model (valid since 1912 save for the 'rat steal in 1960) Trump has a 96%+ chance of winning the general election. [Link in nick/website thingy]
Posted by: oddnot not liking these times at March 21, 2016 07:13 PM (g1MTt)
703
As someone already pointed out it is all stop trump not we want cruz.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 21, 2016 07:13 PM (iQIUe)
704
am not voting for Trump. I am voting for those that will advise him, Sessions, Giuliani, Laffer etc.
Posted by: oddnot not liking these times at March 21, 2016 07:10 PM (g1MTt)
LOL. Sessions whose immigration plan he said he was changing his mind about only days after Sessions had endorsed him. It is as if to some people, some things never happened.
Posted by: oddnot not liking these times at March 21, 2016 07:10 PM (g1MTt)
LOL. Sessions whose immigration plan he said he was changing his mind about only days after Sessions had endorsed him. It is as if to some people, some things never happened.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 21, 2016 07:13 PM (ZKlDy)
705
Oops. Try this one.
Posted by: oddnot not liking these times at March 21, 2016 07:13 PM (g1MTt)
706
And, by the way, if Trump wants to change his standing with those of us who doubt his mental stability, he could start by publicly tossing some of those vile racist hicks out on their ear.
Posted by: DriveBy at March 21, 2016 07:13 PM (C9Vc8)
707
After this thread I am now sure I picked the wrong year to give up driniking
We can fix that. Put a shotglass underneath your USB port.
We can fix that. Put a shotglass underneath your USB port.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 21, 2016 07:13 PM (YJmuy)
708
Or are they just keyboard commandos?
Keyboard commandos, voter mom.
This is all good! I think it's good we hash things out. I think (weirdly) this is healthy.
I'm Italian what can I say? We believe in screaming at each other
And then we get over it and eat a giant meal! or possibly there is some shooting. Light shooting.
Keyboard commandos, voter mom.
This is all good! I think it's good we hash things out. I think (weirdly) this is healthy.
I'm Italian what can I say? We believe in screaming at each other
And then we get over it and eat a giant meal! or possibly there is some shooting. Light shooting.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at March 21, 2016 07:13 PM (TLX//)
Posted by: Skeezix at March 21, 2016 07:14 PM (WnCSK)
710
>>When you see someone use it, ask them what they thought of the last issue of Stormfront.
>Well the pin up on page 25 was hot
Yeah, but no Pink.
>Well the pin up on page 25 was hot
Yeah, but no Pink.
Posted by: garrett at March 21, 2016 07:14 PM (F3ax6)
Posted by: DaveA at March 21, 2016 07:14 PM (DL2i+)
712
OK with the authoritarian crap again, I have to get home. Later all. And remember you to can get the Flexible Authoritarian from Hasbro for $29.95 Batteries not included
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 07:14 PM (mw8Dm)
713
Hi.
This is probably irrelevant, but what the hell.
This election season is so much more divisive than any I can remember. And it hits me where I live because, dammit, I like you Morons. A lot.
And not to get too maudlin, but this site, well, let me put it this way. I hate my life. I hate most everything about it. My marriage is disintegrating. My kids are off in their own worlds instead of mine. I'm watching my years of work disappear into the pockets of layabout buttheads who think they are entitled to live with their hands in my wallet. Right now my retirement plan consists of working until I can't physically work any longer, then putting a bullet into my head.
But, and God this is depressing, one bright spot has been The Horde. I lurk more than I write, but I do like to read the interplay here and I respect the regulars like crazy. So that's why I feel like I'm in the middle of Marvel's Civil War when I'm reading a lot of this stuff. And I certainly don't excuse myself from flinging it on occasion as well.
Ace has created something special here. Let's not destroy it. That would be the real shame in all of this.
This is probably irrelevant, but what the hell.
This election season is so much more divisive than any I can remember. And it hits me where I live because, dammit, I like you Morons. A lot.
And not to get too maudlin, but this site, well, let me put it this way. I hate my life. I hate most everything about it. My marriage is disintegrating. My kids are off in their own worlds instead of mine. I'm watching my years of work disappear into the pockets of layabout buttheads who think they are entitled to live with their hands in my wallet. Right now my retirement plan consists of working until I can't physically work any longer, then putting a bullet into my head.
But, and God this is depressing, one bright spot has been The Horde. I lurk more than I write, but I do like to read the interplay here and I respect the regulars like crazy. So that's why I feel like I'm in the middle of Marvel's Civil War when I'm reading a lot of this stuff. And I certainly don't excuse myself from flinging it on occasion as well.
Ace has created something special here. Let's not destroy it. That would be the real shame in all of this.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks. at March 21, 2016 07:14 PM (16TRA)
714
In 1814 we took a little trip
'Long with Colonel Jackson down the Mighty Mississip'.
We took a little bacon and we took a little beans
And we took a nuc'lur weapon to the Town of New Orleans.
'Long with Colonel Jackson down the Mighty Mississip'.
We took a little bacon and we took a little beans
And we took a nuc'lur weapon to the Town of New Orleans.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 21, 2016 07:14 PM (Nwg0u)
715
Walid Phares is a serious guy. Who's Cruz got on that level? (Please say Daniel Pipes and/or Steven Emerson.)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 21, 2016 07:15 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: Whippet at March 21, 2016 07:15 PM (YwQCs)
717
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 21, 2016 07:13 PM
++++
That's why I am not voting for him. He is clueless. What he does is what matters. And he will do what is best for America.
++++
That's why I am not voting for him. He is clueless. What he does is what matters. And he will do what is best for America.
Posted by: oddnot not liking these times at March 21, 2016 07:15 PM (g1MTt)
718
So, as Laura Ingram put it, "Come to Jesus!"
Posted by: Optimizer at March 21, 2016 07:12 PM
..I hear you, and it's not like I haven't held my nose before. Every time one of the establishment assholes talks about putting their own guy in it pisses me off enough to hold my nose and vote for Trump. But then I hear him speak and am back to being a confusedervative. The establishment needs to get blown up. I just wish it wasn't The Donald with his hand on the detonator.
So, as Laura Ingram put it, "Come to Jesus!"
Posted by: Optimizer at March 21, 2016 07:12 PM
..I hear you, and it's not like I haven't held my nose before. Every time one of the establishment assholes talks about putting their own guy in it pisses me off enough to hold my nose and vote for Trump. But then I hear him speak and am back to being a confusedervative. The establishment needs to get blown up. I just wish it wasn't The Donald with his hand on the detonator.
Posted by: Minnfidel at March 21, 2016 07:15 PM (btH0m)
719
Do any racist troglodytes support Cruz? If you don't have that data, why not?
Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer
Sure. Remember, Idaho was full of White Nationalists and Cruz won Idaho, therefore....
Do any racist troglodytes support Cruz? If you don't have that data, why not?
Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer
Sure. Remember, Idaho was full of White Nationalists and Cruz won Idaho, therefore....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 21, 2016 07:15 PM (kdS6q)
720
That is a pretty sanitized version of what the actual term means and how the stormfront guys use it on a daily basis. Certainly how they use it every day on Twitter.
Reality: It refers to anyone that isn't a white nationalist- as they are betraying their race in service of allowing white women to breed with the genetic impure through failure to enact racist/white nationalist policies.
Posted by: bob at March 21, 2016 07:04 PM (wROs3)
Don't be stupid. It can't refer to liberals, for example. They're not even conservative.
It's a rhethorical weapon against a common conservative type who is more interested in buddying up with the Left on race and immigration than in "conserving" anything worth conserving about America.
Reality: It refers to anyone that isn't a white nationalist- as they are betraying their race in service of allowing white women to breed with the genetic impure through failure to enact racist/white nationalist policies.
Posted by: bob at March 21, 2016 07:04 PM (wROs3)
Don't be stupid. It can't refer to liberals, for example. They're not even conservative.
It's a rhethorical weapon against a common conservative type who is more interested in buddying up with the Left on race and immigration than in "conserving" anything worth conserving about America.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 07:15 PM (uURQL)
721
A pile of crap would be better than hilliry. A flaming pile of crap.
Posted by: Dr freakenfurter at March 21, 2016 07:15 PM (BO/km)
722
omg 16TRA, I'm sorry to hear/read that.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 21, 2016 07:16 PM (6FqZa)
723
That is a pretty sanitized version of what the actual term means and how the stormfront guys use it on a daily basis. Certainly how they use it every day on Twitter.
Reality: It refers to anyone that isn't a white nationalist- as they are betraying their race in service of allowing white women to breed with the genetic impure through failure to enact racist/white nationalist policies.
Posted by: bob at March 21, 2016 07:04 PM (wROs3)
cuckservative is a a joining of the words "cuckhold" (in the husband who knows his wife cheats on him AND the porn category, which has a slight racial connotation I suppose) and "conservative."
Some people decided to make it a "bad word" so of course, the mature people on 4chan, reddit, and twitter decided that they will use it even more, because, well, that's what kids do.
Reality: It refers to anyone that isn't a white nationalist- as they are betraying their race in service of allowing white women to breed with the genetic impure through failure to enact racist/white nationalist policies.
Posted by: bob at March 21, 2016 07:04 PM (wROs3)
cuckservative is a a joining of the words "cuckhold" (in the husband who knows his wife cheats on him AND the porn category, which has a slight racial connotation I suppose) and "conservative."
Some people decided to make it a "bad word" so of course, the mature people on 4chan, reddit, and twitter decided that they will use it even more, because, well, that's what kids do.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 21, 2016 07:16 PM (AkOaV)
724
I live in a PA county with the following demographics:
Age 65+: 17.9%
Registered Voters:
Democratic Party: 105,932 (56%)
Republican Party: 64,525 (34%)
Independent: 4,011 (2%)
No Affiliation: 15,166 (8%)
The county has been a Democrat stronghold since the 1950s.
The county is the largest employer in the county.
Most county employees are unionized, primarily with AFSCME.
I know someone who works at the courthouse - he's worked there for 17 years.
He says "the courthouse" is going to vote for Trump.
Think about the demographics and then think about what he told me.
A poster here used to ask all of the time: "Is this a thing?"
It's not "a thing". It's a Big Fvcking Deal.
Age 65+: 17.9%
Registered Voters:
Democratic Party: 105,932 (56%)
Republican Party: 64,525 (34%)
Independent: 4,011 (2%)
No Affiliation: 15,166 (8%)
The county has been a Democrat stronghold since the 1950s.
The county is the largest employer in the county.
Most county employees are unionized, primarily with AFSCME.
I know someone who works at the courthouse - he's worked there for 17 years.
He says "the courthouse" is going to vote for Trump.
Think about the demographics and then think about what he told me.
A poster here used to ask all of the time: "Is this a thing?"
It's not "a thing". It's a Big Fvcking Deal.
Posted by: Ed Anger at March 21, 2016 07:16 PM (RcpcZ)
725
Probably it's entirely impossible for a movement to have no *insert what you don't like*
I however don't know how a white supremacist - the group we're talking about - could support a Cuban.
How about the dad/grandpa of a Jew?
I think ZOG figures a bit higher on their radar than a Cuban.
Probably it's entirely impossible for a movement to have no *insert what you don't like*
I however don't know how a white supremacist - the group we're talking about - could support a Cuban.
How about the dad/grandpa of a Jew?
I think ZOG figures a bit higher on their radar than a Cuban.
Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 07:16 PM (HA9zO)
726
693 The Saudis suck at running the pilgrimage; every year it happens, there's fresh hajji sauce to scoop off the walls. Threatening to nuke Mecca would save Muslim lives, if fewer would go.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 21, 2016 07:12 PM (6FqZa)
=========
They use bulldozers and dump trucks to scoop up the bodies. I shite you not. How disrespectful. But the alternative is having the Iranians take it over. No effin way!
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 21, 2016 07:12 PM (6FqZa)
=========
They use bulldozers and dump trucks to scoop up the bodies. I shite you not. How disrespectful. But the alternative is having the Iranians take it over. No effin way!
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 21, 2016 07:16 PM (iQIUe)
727
I am rapidly tiring of "movement conservatives".
Posted by: tsj017 at March 21, 2016 07:16 PM (jnAOr)
728
Trump can be stopped but it's getting late early.
The time to stop Trump was when the GOPe started leaving Trump size holes in the base.
The time to stop Trump was when the GOPe started leaving Trump size holes in the base.
Posted by: DaveA at March 21, 2016 07:16 PM (DL2i+)
729
This is what happens when you don't use the Italiacs. It confuses people. And then you get banned.
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 21, 2016 06:45 PM (o2321)
What formatting is allowed?
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 21, 2016 06:45 PM (o2321)
What formatting is allowed?
Posted by: Max Power at March 21, 2016 07:16 PM (q177U)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 21, 2016 07:17 PM (iQIUe)
731
>>Is uncontrollable coughing a symptom of ass chiggers?
Posted by: Weasel
What? OMG, I hope not.
Posted by: Weasel
What? OMG, I hope not.
Posted by: Hillary at March 21, 2016 07:17 PM (c7vUv)
732
Sure. Remember, Idaho was full of White Nationalists and Cruz won Idaho, therefore....
Taters and haters, baby.
Taters and haters, baby.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 21, 2016 07:17 PM (8ZskC)
733
Ed, is that Montco?
Posted by: @votermom at March 21, 2016 07:17 PM (cbfNE)
734
I also sense just a hint of intellectual dishonesty in this "blacklisting" movement. I've seen two of these "enemy lists", and neither one of them mentions Phyllis Schlafly (who has given Trump her official endorsement).
Why? Because the know they'd expose themselves as utter frauds if they called her, of all people, "not conservative" and "a coward" for supporting Trump.
Why? Because the know they'd expose themselves as utter frauds if they called her, of all people, "not conservative" and "a coward" for supporting Trump.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at March 21, 2016 07:17 PM (0OG8D)
735
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks. at March 21, 2016 07:14 PM (16TRA)
Sorry about the stuff in your personal life, but as for the 'hq -- dont despair.
it gets like this every election season. A lot of us drift away for a few months while passions get high, but it's always still there after the election is over.
Sorry about the stuff in your personal life, but as for the 'hq -- dont despair.
it gets like this every election season. A lot of us drift away for a few months while passions get high, but it's always still there after the election is over.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 21, 2016 07:17 PM (AkOaV)
736
"what we'd like the conservative movement to look like during the Hillary Rodham presidency."
Dude, are you high? With the snowball of progressive liberalism rolling downhill after eight years of Obama, I'll be happy if we end eight years of Hillary not in jail.
This blog, shut down for violations of the Internet Accountability and Safe Spaces Act of 2017.
Our houses with Syrian refugees in them once guest rooms in Federally guaranteed VA/FHA mortgaged houses are found to be Federal property by the Revised Fair Housing Act of 2018.
Our guns not outlawed once Heller is overturned by a Hillary packed Court.
More jobs lost in a recessionary socialist economy.
Shit. Eight years of Hillary would just be nails in the fucking coffin. I love you, Ace, but you are insufficiently imaginative as to where the bottom is.
Dude, are you high? With the snowball of progressive liberalism rolling downhill after eight years of Obama, I'll be happy if we end eight years of Hillary not in jail.
This blog, shut down for violations of the Internet Accountability and Safe Spaces Act of 2017.
Our houses with Syrian refugees in them once guest rooms in Federally guaranteed VA/FHA mortgaged houses are found to be Federal property by the Revised Fair Housing Act of 2018.
Our guns not outlawed once Heller is overturned by a Hillary packed Court.
More jobs lost in a recessionary socialist economy.
Shit. Eight years of Hillary would just be nails in the fucking coffin. I love you, Ace, but you are insufficiently imaginative as to where the bottom is.
Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at March 21, 2016 07:18 PM (l9Mr7)
737
Pay attention. Trump is the hopeful method.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 07:12 PM (uURQL)
HOPE IS NOT A METHOD.Trump has no plans whatsoever to do any of the things you think he will. He could possibly lose us the Senate and the House as well.You are putting your faith in a guy who has repeatedly told you to your face that he will cut deals with the Democrats. Who has stated that he supports touchback amnesty. Who supports Planned Parenthood.Why not support the guy who has an actual, delineated plan for accomplishing the goal of reducing the size and scope of the Federal government, strengthening the military, reforming entitlements, and balancing the budget? Is it because he's Ted Cruz?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 07:12 PM (uURQL)
HOPE IS NOT A METHOD.Trump has no plans whatsoever to do any of the things you think he will. He could possibly lose us the Senate and the House as well.You are putting your faith in a guy who has repeatedly told you to your face that he will cut deals with the Democrats. Who has stated that he supports touchback amnesty. Who supports Planned Parenthood.Why not support the guy who has an actual, delineated plan for accomplishing the goal of reducing the size and scope of the Federal government, strengthening the military, reforming entitlements, and balancing the budget? Is it because he's Ted Cruz?
Posted by: flashoverride at March 21, 2016 07:18 PM (iQr18)
738
Sure. Remember, Idaho was full of White Nationalists and Cruz won Idaho, therefore....
Taters and haters, baby.
Posted by: Cicero
Russets and Racists...
Sure. Remember, Idaho was full of White Nationalists and Cruz won Idaho, therefore....
Taters and haters, baby.
Posted by: Cicero
Russets and Racists...
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 21, 2016 07:18 PM (kdS6q)
739
Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 07:16 PM (HA9zO)
Perhaps, maybe they see Trump as someone "flexible" and Cruz as "principled".
Go figure.
Perhaps, maybe they see Trump as someone "flexible" and Cruz as "principled".
Go figure.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 07:18 PM (R5HRU)
740
I don't know who coined the term "cuckservative", but it sounds to me like an apt description of the GOPe. They blather on about limited government, balanced budgets, family values, and whatnot, while ceding ground to the Left year after year. "Impeachment is off the table", "we won't shut down the government", always voting to raise the debt ceiling, etc. If the word makes those types squirm, I'm all for it.
So what if white supremacists use the word? Does that make it taboo for the rest of us? It sounds like guilt by association to me. I'm sure there are white supremacists who love dogs and cats, too. So what? Does that mean the rest of us shouldn't?
So what if white supremacists use the word? Does that make it taboo for the rest of us? It sounds like guilt by association to me. I'm sure there are white supremacists who love dogs and cats, too. So what? Does that mean the rest of us shouldn't?
Posted by: rickl at March 21, 2016 07:18 PM (sdi6R)
741
Yeah, can't wait for the reaction to this Trump speech from the Jew-hating "cuckservative" boys.
Posted by: Trumps of Doom at March 21, 2016 07:19 PM (CcpUn)
742
I've had three phone calls tonight alerting me to the fact that "WE MUST STOP TRUMP!"
They just might annoy me into voting for him. Oh who am I kidding.
They just might annoy me into voting for him. Oh who am I kidding.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 21, 2016 07:19 PM (dFi94)
743
One more reason Trump> Hillary, at least for now in my mind. Hillary is a committed ideological leftist (or at least she has to play one in her party). Trump, in the other hand, is a committed nonideological Trumpist.
Advantage: Guy who won't rule out of a moral obligation since he'll be too busy obsessing over stuff connected to himself.
Unless he inexplicably picks a fight with a, world leader, potentially causing WWIII, LOL.
Advantage: Guy who won't rule out of a moral obligation since he'll be too busy obsessing over stuff connected to himself.
Unless he inexplicably picks a fight with a, world leader, potentially causing WWIII, LOL.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 21, 2016 07:20 PM (ZKlDy)
744
These comments.
Here's how this goes down. Tomorrow Cruz wins UT. Trump wins AZ. Then a month from now Trump sweeps the New England states. And when that happens Cruz will slip into Kasich territory where it becomes mathematically impossible to win (he'd need more than 100% of remaining). At this point Cruz drops out. He has to. After all his talk about supporting the nominee, all his anti-establishment talk about being adamantly opposed to an open convention, saying kasich needs to drop out for the same reasons, etc., he has to drop out. If he doesn't he becomes an instant hypocrite and starts doing serious damage to his own brand. Before May Cruz will drop out.
Here's how this goes down. Tomorrow Cruz wins UT. Trump wins AZ. Then a month from now Trump sweeps the New England states. And when that happens Cruz will slip into Kasich territory where it becomes mathematically impossible to win (he'd need more than 100% of remaining). At this point Cruz drops out. He has to. After all his talk about supporting the nominee, all his anti-establishment talk about being adamantly opposed to an open convention, saying kasich needs to drop out for the same reasons, etc., he has to drop out. If he doesn't he becomes an instant hypocrite and starts doing serious damage to his own brand. Before May Cruz will drop out.
Posted by: Kenja Time at March 21, 2016 07:20 PM (1TjZq)
745
Perhaps, maybe they see Trump as someone "flexible" and Cruz as "principled".
Go figure.
Well then they don't know shit about what politicians are or what they do for a living.
A lot of that going around.
Go figure.
Well then they don't know shit about what politicians are or what they do for a living.
A lot of that going around.
Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 07:20 PM (HA9zO)
746
Hillary Clinton is the worst person in the world!
That's why I am voting for a guy that has funded her and her husband for the past 25 years!
That's why I am voting for a guy that has funded her and her husband for the past 25 years!
Posted by: Sooper Smart Conservative at March 21, 2016 07:20 PM (XItbt)
747
he could start by publicly tossing some of those vile racist hicks out on their ear.
-
I'll call for that as soon as Hill and Bern disavow their racist supporters. Those are the really dangerous one anyway.
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I'll call for that as soon as Hill and Bern disavow their racist supporters. Those are the really dangerous one anyway.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 21, 2016 07:20 PM (Nwg0u)
748
imagine Hillary scolding this nation for years with her bullshit and being Commander in Chief of a military she loathes and would like to destroy
Posted by: Feh at March 21, 2016 07:20 PM (Uk9e2)
749
I wonder if Trump will be able to attract enough new voters to make up for voters like me. Any other year, I might have my doubts. But if Hillary is the other nominee, then all bets are off.
Posted by: SH at March 21, 2016 06:00 PM (gmeXX)
Thanks for your help
Posted by: SH at March 21, 2016 06:00 PM (gmeXX)
Thanks for your help
Posted by: Soulpatchtony at March 21, 2016 07:20 PM (m40v5)
750
I cant believe some people here posted that they would vote for Hillary. F*ck You!
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 21, 2016 07:20 PM (iQIUe)
751
it gets like this every election season. A lot of us drift away for a few months while passions get high, but it's always still there after the election is over.
I dunno - passions seem a lot more elevated than they did even four years ago. I don't remember the ban hammer being swung like this before, and I really don't remember Ace ever being like this. It's disturbing.
I dunno - passions seem a lot more elevated than they did even four years ago. I don't remember the ban hammer being swung like this before, and I really don't remember Ace ever being like this. It's disturbing.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks. at March 21, 2016 07:20 PM (16TRA)
Posted by: Ed Anger at March 21, 2016 07:21 PM (RcpcZ)
753
'He could possibly lose us the Senate and the House as well.'
Those bastards can lose it without any help from DT. F' em.
Those bastards can lose it without any help from DT. F' em.
Posted by: Dr freakenfurter at March 21, 2016 07:21 PM (BO/km)
754
>>He says "the courthouse" is going to vote for Trump.
Think about the demographics and then think about what he told me.
So, if I hear you right, and I think that I do - you are surprised a bunch of Democrats are going to vote for Donald Trump, the Democrat?
Think about the demographics and then think about what he told me.
So, if I hear you right, and I think that I do - you are surprised a bunch of Democrats are going to vote for Donald Trump, the Democrat?
Posted by: garrett at March 21, 2016 07:21 PM (F3ax6)
755
Evidently, if you don't blindly follow whatever candidate the Republican party throws up, then you "lack principles"
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:30 PM (+Fl7e)
Uh, that argument didn't come from The Donald's supporters. It came from Jeb's, and Marco's, and Mitt's, and McCain's, and.....
But I suppose this kind of honesty is what I suspect from someone who makes a big deal out of inconsequential creeps like the so-called "alt-right".....
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 06:30 PM (+Fl7e)
Uh, that argument didn't come from The Donald's supporters. It came from Jeb's, and Marco's, and Mitt's, and McCain's, and.....
But I suppose this kind of honesty is what I suspect from someone who makes a big deal out of inconsequential creeps like the so-called "alt-right".....
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 21, 2016 07:21 PM (hSD8y)
756
I've seen two of these "enemy lists", and neither one of them mentions
Phyllis Schlafly (who has given Trump her official endorsement).
==============================================
I gotta say, that endorsement is a head-scratcher.
Phyllis Schlafly (who has given Trump her official endorsement).
==============================================
I gotta say, that endorsement is a head-scratcher.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 21, 2016 07:21 PM (dFi94)
757
"724 I live in a PA county with the following demographics:"
I'm originally from PA...still a lot of wife's family there. Most all are IBEW and are voting GOP first time and its for Trump. They completely dislike Hillary.
Should make things interesting anyway...
I'm originally from PA...still a lot of wife's family there. Most all are IBEW and are voting GOP first time and its for Trump. They completely dislike Hillary.
Should make things interesting anyway...
Posted by: Skeezix at March 21, 2016 07:21 PM (WnCSK)
758
As much as I dislike Trump, I agree blacklisting his supporters is BS. They just don't learn.
Makes you wonder if they are trying to tank it and give it to Hillary. GOPe MIB.
Makes you wonder if they are trying to tank it and give it to Hillary. GOPe MIB.
Posted by: Hearing Damaged Adult Due to Cap Guns at March 21, 2016 07:21 PM (hVdx9)
759
Kenja Time, shh! There wasn't supposed to be math on this blog.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 21, 2016 07:21 PM (6FqZa)
760
Yes, Trump killed it in the AIPAC speech. Why can't we have this Trump 100% of the time? sigh...
Posted by: Soulpatchtony at March 21, 2016 07:21 PM (m40v5)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 21, 2016 07:21 PM (iQIUe)
762
So what if white supremacists use the word? Does that make it taboo for
the rest of us? It sounds like guilt by association to me. I'm sure
there are white supremacists who love dogs and cats, too. So what?
Does that mean the rest of us shouldn't?
I have reached the point where, if those are the only people standing with us to salvage Western civilization, I'll hold my nose and do it. We simply can't afford to turn away allies, especially not when the "respectable" folks we'd prefer are stabbing us repeatedly in the back.
It sucks, but we're almost out of options.
the rest of us? It sounds like guilt by association to me. I'm sure
there are white supremacists who love dogs and cats, too. So what?
Does that mean the rest of us shouldn't?
I have reached the point where, if those are the only people standing with us to salvage Western civilization, I'll hold my nose and do it. We simply can't afford to turn away allies, especially not when the "respectable" folks we'd prefer are stabbing us repeatedly in the back.
It sucks, but we're almost out of options.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at March 21, 2016 07:22 PM (D0J8L)
763
I've had three phone calls tonight alerting me to the fact that "WE MUST STOP TRUMP!"
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Rombley had recorded a robocall for Cruz.
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Rombley had recorded a robocall for Cruz.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 21, 2016 07:22 PM (Nwg0u)
764
753
'He could possibly lose us the Senate and the House as well.'
To paraphrase another commenter , I would like to see evidence that we ever had them.
'He could possibly lose us the Senate and the House as well.'
To paraphrase another commenter , I would like to see evidence that we ever had them.
Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 07:22 PM (HA9zO)
765
They + GOPe.
Posted by: Hearing Damaged Adult Due to Cap Guns at March 21, 2016 07:22 PM (hVdx9)
766
> Yeah, can't wait for the reaction to this Trump speech from the Jew-hating "cuckservative" boys.
What Trump is showing is that one can be a strong friend and supporter of Israel without the apocalyptic obsessions of folks like Glenn Beck.
What Trump is showing is that one can be a strong friend and supporter of Israel without the apocalyptic obsessions of folks like Glenn Beck.
Posted by: Kenja Time at March 21, 2016 07:23 PM (1TjZq)
767
And *for the record*, I am not going to vote for Hillary either. Both Trump and Hillary are odious vile human beings who aren't worth the cost of paper that a ballot is printed on. I don't believe that it is statistically meaningful to rank which pile of dog shit is actually not quite as shitty as the other pile of dog shit.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 07:23 PM (+Fl7e)
768
"Yes, Trump killed it in the AIPAC speech. Why can't we have this Trump 100% of the time? "
He hasn't swayed me into being a Trump supporter, but if he sticks with that quality of speech he is very likely to win.
He hasn't swayed me into being a Trump supporter, but if he sticks with that quality of speech he is very likely to win.
Posted by: Trumps of Doom at March 21, 2016 07:23 PM (CcpUn)
769
Okay I'm just going to ask this so we can get some folks on record. If Cruz is the nominee, how many of you would a) vote for him and b) campaign on his behalf?
Posted by: flashoverride at March 21, 2016 07:23 PM (iQr18)
770
And blacklisting Trump's supporters will backfire hard if Trump wins the general. Trump will know exactly which people to hire in politically-dangerous positions. It'll be the opposite of a blacklist. They'll be the don's made men.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 21, 2016 07:23 PM (6FqZa)
771
Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at March 21, 2016 07:22 PM (D0J8L)
You be my guest. I think I'll play the sidelines, I don't think I'd like their "solutions".
You be my guest. I think I'll play the sidelines, I don't think I'd like their "solutions".
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 07:24 PM (R5HRU)
772
You would think hilster's voice is bad enough to make people vote against her. Who wants to hear her screeching at us for the next four years?
Posted by: Dr freakenfurter at March 21, 2016 07:24 PM (BO/km)
773
I'll take Trump over Hillary, but I wouldn't take Trump over Bill. Aside from his atrocious judicial appointments, post 1994 Clinton was the most conservative administration since Coolidge.
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at March 21, 2016 07:24 PM (Xz91K)
774
So, if I hear you right, and I think that I do - you are surprised a bunch of Democrats are going to vote for Donald Trump, the Democrat?
Posted by: garrett at March 21, 2016 07:21 PM (F3ax6)
By the tens of thousands. In one county.
He could turn Pennsylvania red.
So, if I hear you right, and I think that I do - you are surprised a bunch of Democrats are going to vote for Donald Trump, the Democrat?
Posted by: garrett at March 21, 2016 07:21 PM (F3ax6)
By the tens of thousands. In one county.
He could turn Pennsylvania red.
Posted by: Ed Anger at March 21, 2016 07:24 PM (RcpcZ)
775
Trump...could possibly lose us the Senate and the House as well.
Posted by: flashoverride
Oh noes!
[sadz]
Trump...could possibly lose us the Senate and the House as well.
Posted by: flashoverride
Oh noes!
[sadz]
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 21, 2016 07:24 PM (kdS6q)
776
So what is the consensus then. If Cruz no longer
has a path and the GOP decides to play games at the convention, then
they will surely not pick Cruz? They will go with some third party? I
would not think they would take the risk? Then again...knowing these
idiots.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 21, 2016 07:12 PM (WnCSK)
Paul Ryan for the WIN!Katschit and the other guy think they have a chance because of the super-pac money keeping them alive... but the money is not so much to keep them alive, but to eliminate Trump.
has a path and the GOP decides to play games at the convention, then
they will surely not pick Cruz? They will go with some third party? I
would not think they would take the risk? Then again...knowing these
idiots.
Posted by: Skeezix at March 21, 2016 07:12 PM (WnCSK)
Paul Ryan for the WIN!Katschit and the other guy think they have a chance because of the super-pac money keeping them alive... but the money is not so much to keep them alive, but to eliminate Trump.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 21, 2016 07:24 PM (T78UI)
777
769
Okay I'm just going to ask this so we can get some folks on record. If
Cruz is the nominee, how many of you would a) vote for him and b)
campaign on his behalf?
Posted by: flashoverride at March 21, 2016 07:23 PM (iQr1
Yes to both.
Okay I'm just going to ask this so we can get some folks on record. If
Cruz is the nominee, how many of you would a) vote for him and b)
campaign on his behalf?
Posted by: flashoverride at March 21, 2016 07:23 PM (iQr1
Yes to both.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 07:24 PM (+Fl7e)
778
If Cruz is the nominee I might not make it to the booth because I'll be celebrating too hard, but I'll do my best.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 21, 2016 07:24 PM (6FqZa)
Posted by: Skeezix at March 21, 2016 07:25 PM (WnCSK)
780
I don't believe that it is statistically meaningful to rank which pile
of dog shit is actually not quite as shitty as the other pile of dog
shit.
Have we met?
of dog shit is actually not quite as shitty as the other pile of dog
shit.
Have we met?
Posted by: The American Political System at March 21, 2016 07:25 PM (HA9zO)
781
I finally got around to reading the much-condemned Kevin Williamson piece that says that most of working class America's problems could be solved by better behavior. I don't really understand the problem with this concept. Yes, Obama has screwed things up, but the fact is that what he (KW) described is something that the highly educated take for granted. You move to where the jobs are, and don't just bitch and shoot up because your life isn't what you expected it would be. And you sure as hell don't fall in love with whomever tells you not to worry, that he'll make it all okay.
For God's sake, Trump is not your Daddy.
Posted by: pep at March 21, 2016 07:07 PM (LAe3v)
the "highly educated"?
Nice.
They're (we're, I guess, since on paper I'm 'highly educated') the ones who "solved all the problems" by growing government and fucking over large parts of the country with their tax laws, "free trade" deals, regulations, environmental laws, and immigration policies.
For God's sake, Trump is not your Daddy.
Posted by: pep at March 21, 2016 07:07 PM (LAe3v)
the "highly educated"?
Nice.
They're (we're, I guess, since on paper I'm 'highly educated') the ones who "solved all the problems" by growing government and fucking over large parts of the country with their tax laws, "free trade" deals, regulations, environmental laws, and immigration policies.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 21, 2016 07:25 PM (AkOaV)
782
Conservatives must fight. Forget about logic, reason, being classy polite etc. The other side needs to know or at least believe that they will suffer great social economic or political harm.
I live in Seattle and I am a conservative. Just to question mildly any leftist dogma.. . you will loose friends and family members. You cannot defeat Dogma by politely negotiating middle ground. The left has no reason the fear conservatives ... they know we will never storm their castle. They don't even need to guard their Castle. We need to storm their Castle with blood in our eyes and then the Left will come to the table wanting to play fair and keep things classy.
I live in Seattle and I am a conservative. Just to question mildly any leftist dogma.. . you will loose friends and family members. You cannot defeat Dogma by politely negotiating middle ground. The left has no reason the fear conservatives ... they know we will never storm their castle. They don't even need to guard their Castle. We need to storm their Castle with blood in our eyes and then the Left will come to the table wanting to play fair and keep things classy.
Posted by: danny at March 21, 2016 07:25 PM (ipWk5)
783
>>>...the polls this far out back then had Jimmuh Carturd winning, "because Reagan was a trigger happy cowboy and a closet Klansman to boot."
...
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 21, 2016 06:01 PM (ujg0T)
***
I came over to the US that year to work during my summer break from university. Spent it in Asbury Park. Returned to Ireland completely convinced Reagan would win. Reality on the ground in no way matched the media message.
...
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 21, 2016 06:01 PM (ujg0T)
***
I came over to the US that year to work during my summer break from university. Spent it in Asbury Park. Returned to Ireland completely convinced Reagan would win. Reality on the ground in no way matched the media message.
Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at March 21, 2016 07:25 PM (1zS3A)
784
I dunno - passions seem a lot more elevated than they did even four years ago. I don't remember the ban hammer being swung like this before, and I really don't remember Ace ever being like this. It's disturbing.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks. at March 21, 2016 07:20 PM (16TRA)
Eh, I don't know. Maybe you're right.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks. at March 21, 2016 07:20 PM (16TRA)
Eh, I don't know. Maybe you're right.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 21, 2016 07:25 PM (AkOaV)
785
get some folks on record. If Cruz is the nominee, how many of you would a) vote for him...
Posted by: flashoverride
Can't vote. Convicted felon.
get some folks on record. If Cruz is the nominee, how many of you would a) vote for him...
Posted by: flashoverride
Can't vote. Convicted felon.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 21, 2016 07:26 PM (kdS6q)
786
>>> Unless he inexplicably picks a fight with a, world leader, potentially causing WWIII, LOL.
*****
Hey! He wasn't very nice to me. I mean, believe me, his wife is really very, very ugly. Everyone can see it so I don't know why he's offended. If he can't see it, he's just a stupid liar.
Besides, if there's a WW III, I will get the Mexican government to pay for it. And I'll build the wall 10 feet higher.
*****
Hey! He wasn't very nice to me. I mean, believe me, his wife is really very, very ugly. Everyone can see it so I don't know why he's offended. If he can't see it, he's just a stupid liar.
Besides, if there's a WW III, I will get the Mexican government to pay for it. And I'll build the wall 10 feet higher.
Posted by: Donald Trump at March 21, 2016 07:26 PM (XItbt)
787
"If Cruz is the nominee, how many of you would a) vote for him and b) campaign on his behalf?"
I am, and remain, a Cruz supporter, so, yeah.
Note that being a Cruz supporter is not accepting Cruz as my spiritual leader, as many of the Trump fans seem to have done. I don't like several things about him. However, among the candidates that are actually running, he's the only one on either side who seems to accept that the Constitution does actually set real limits on government power.
I am, and remain, a Cruz supporter, so, yeah.
Note that being a Cruz supporter is not accepting Cruz as my spiritual leader, as many of the Trump fans seem to have done. I don't like several things about him. However, among the candidates that are actually running, he's the only one on either side who seems to accept that the Constitution does actually set real limits on government power.
Posted by: Trumps of Doom at March 21, 2016 07:26 PM (CcpUn)
788
I would vote for Cruz, and plan on doing so in the Wisconsin primary in April. I also believe he has zero chance against Hillary.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 21, 2016 07:26 PM (dFi94)
789
Okay I'm just going to ask this so we can get some folks on record. If Cruz is the nominee, how many of you would a) vote for him and b) campaign on his behalf?
Not only that, I will bequeath my entire personal fortune to him, and you can take that to the bank or my name isn't Cicero.
Not only that, I will bequeath my entire personal fortune to him, and you can take that to the bank or my name isn't Cicero.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 21, 2016 07:26 PM (8ZskC)
790
HOPE IS NOT A METHOD.Trump has no plans whatsoever to do any of the things you think he will. He could possibly lose us the Senate and the House as well.You are putting your faith in a guy who has repeatedly told you to your face that he will cut deals with the Democrats. Who has stated that he supports touchback amnesty. Who supports Planned Parenthood.Why not support the guy who has an actual, delineated plan for accomplishing the goal of reducing the size and scope of the Federal government, strengthening the military, reforming entitlements, and balancing the budget? Is it because he's Ted Cruz?
Posted by: flashoverride at March 21, 2016 07:18 PM (iQr1
Dude, I just told you hope is not the method, and you repeat your same sentence without comprehension.
First, Trump and his wave is a challenge to the GOPe. They're forced to either let his issues have a seat at the table, or kick Trump out and unmask their true colors.
That's step 1 - a cleansing and reboot of the GOP, or a self-immolation and replacement.
Step 2 is that Trump's wave makes space for reorganization and revitalization. Even if he fails, now we know who our allies are, and who our enemies are.
The enemies show themselves with the volume and type of fire they put down on Trump. He doesn't have to do a single thing as candidate/president for this function, just act as a big fat target.
As for the rest, one can't actually control those outcomes with plans. One makes plays and see what the next hand deals.
Posted by: flashoverride at March 21, 2016 07:18 PM (iQr1
Dude, I just told you hope is not the method, and you repeat your same sentence without comprehension.
First, Trump and his wave is a challenge to the GOPe. They're forced to either let his issues have a seat at the table, or kick Trump out and unmask their true colors.
That's step 1 - a cleansing and reboot of the GOP, or a self-immolation and replacement.
Step 2 is that Trump's wave makes space for reorganization and revitalization. Even if he fails, now we know who our allies are, and who our enemies are.
The enemies show themselves with the volume and type of fire they put down on Trump. He doesn't have to do a single thing as candidate/president for this function, just act as a big fat target.
As for the rest, one can't actually control those outcomes with plans. One makes plays and see what the next hand deals.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 07:26 PM (uURQL)
791
those who sit out or write in, thanks for enabling Hillary's better turnout
but hey, enjoy the self-satisfaction you get
while it lasts
but hey, enjoy the self-satisfaction you get
while it lasts
Posted by: Feh at March 21, 2016 07:27 PM (Uk9e2)
792
Passed another millineal female with ready for Hillary stickers on her Fiat 500.
I should have gotten out at the stop light and stepped on her car.
I should have gotten out at the stop light and stepped on her car.
Posted by: Hearing Damaged Adult Due to Cap Guns at March 21, 2016 07:27 PM (hVdx9)
793
Can't vote. Convicted felon.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 21, 2016 07:26 PM (kdS6q)
Salud
*clink*
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 21, 2016 07:26 PM (kdS6q)
Salud
*clink*
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 21, 2016 07:28 PM (8ZskC)
794
We need to storm their Castle with blood in our eyes and then the Left will come to the table wanting to play fair and keep things classy.
Posted by: danny at March 21, 2016 07:25 PM (ipWk5)
"And I will look down and say, `No'."
Posted by: danny at March 21, 2016 07:25 PM (ipWk5)
"And I will look down and say, `No'."
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 07:28 PM (uURQL)
795
I had a 'come to Jesus moment'. Picked the wrong day. He started overturning tables and flailing around with a whip.
Just kidding. It is kind of fun to remind people, especially liberals, that Jesus had limits, too.
Just kidding. It is kind of fun to remind people, especially liberals, that Jesus had limits, too.
Posted by: mega machines at March 21, 2016 07:28 PM (fbovC)
796
They just might annoy me into voting for him. Oh who am I kidding.
There is a possibility that some of the leftist protester anti-Trump shenanigans could generate pro-Trump votes.
We're still mostly Americans, and for the most part resent being told who we're allowed to like.
There is a possibility that some of the leftist protester anti-Trump shenanigans could generate pro-Trump votes.
We're still mostly Americans, and for the most part resent being told who we're allowed to like.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 21, 2016 07:28 PM (YJmuy)
797
Ace has created something special here. Let's not destroy it. That would be the real shame in all of this.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks. at March 21, 2016 07:14 PM (16TRA)
Well, I've got no power over what others do, but, as for me, *fist bump*.
That's about all I have.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks. at March 21, 2016 07:14 PM (16TRA)
Well, I've got no power over what others do, but, as for me, *fist bump*.
That's about all I have.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 21, 2016 07:28 PM (bLnSU)
Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 07:29 PM (HA9zO)
799
Alt right is a thing, though I seriously doubt the vast majority of Trump's real-life supporters have ever heard of it.
I'm not opposed to "real talk" on race, & I think it's relevant to more issues than NRO-type mainstream conservatives acknowledge. That being said, alt righters go a little further than that, to put it nicely, and as was mentioned upthread seem to have a hard time finding an issue they don't somehow manage to blame mostly/entirely on Jews.
I've found some fringey stuff can work as a good critique of blander go-along-get-along conservatism, but not necessarily much more than that.
I'm not opposed to "real talk" on race, & I think it's relevant to more issues than NRO-type mainstream conservatives acknowledge. That being said, alt righters go a little further than that, to put it nicely, and as was mentioned upthread seem to have a hard time finding an issue they don't somehow manage to blame mostly/entirely on Jews.
I've found some fringey stuff can work as a good critique of blander go-along-get-along conservatism, but not necessarily much more than that.
Posted by: Observer at March 21, 2016 07:29 PM (Pa4eZ)
800
You be my guest. I think I'll play the sidelines, I don't think I'd like their "solutions".
Neither am I. The plan then would be tell them to knock it off and concentrate on the task at hand.
Of course you could just walk away and hope you go last. Honestly I go back and forth most days now.
Neither am I. The plan then would be tell them to knock it off and concentrate on the task at hand.
Of course you could just walk away and hope you go last. Honestly I go back and forth most days now.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at March 21, 2016 07:29 PM (D0J8L)
801
The GOP really is the Read My Lips party.
They lie. Or they make promises they cannot or will not keep.
The GOP really is the Read My Lips party.
They lie. Or they make promises they cannot or will not keep.
Posted by: cucumbah watah for customah only! at March 21, 2016 07:29 PM (o2321)
802
by repeating its own received wisdom too damn many times without ever thinking about it --
**********
Conservative radio.
Try criticizing Levin or Limbaugh. Someone should have done it just for the economic opportunities. Add to that most Conservative media simply followed the mainstream media and let them set the agenda.
The Greeks believed in the dialectic, debate, the free market of ideas. Radio shows where the antithesis of that.
I remember the first time I heard of Ace he appeared with a group of his calling the host blogger a c*nt.
It was over Glenn Greenwald.
Years later Ace would link to Greenwald as some sort of honest broker.
Welcome to the thugocracy.
**********
Conservative radio.
Try criticizing Levin or Limbaugh. Someone should have done it just for the economic opportunities. Add to that most Conservative media simply followed the mainstream media and let them set the agenda.
The Greeks believed in the dialectic, debate, the free market of ideas. Radio shows where the antithesis of that.
I remember the first time I heard of Ace he appeared with a group of his calling the host blogger a c*nt.
It was over Glenn Greenwald.
Years later Ace would link to Greenwald as some sort of honest broker.
Welcome to the thugocracy.
Posted by: Cast it back at March 21, 2016 07:30 PM (mcm0N)
803
An American President, no surprise a 21st Century Beta Male Democrat, that makes sweet love to Communists and Muslim madmen.
What.
The.
Fuck.
I don't think the 2016 American election will have mattered when future nations study The First Atomic World War.
What.
The.
Fuck.
I don't think the 2016 American election will have mattered when future nations study The First Atomic World War.
Posted by: The Lone Survivor at March 21, 2016 07:30 PM (SjtTh)
804
They're (we're, I guess, since on paper I'm 'highly
educated') the ones who "solved all the problems" by growing government
and fucking over large parts of the country with their tax laws, "free
trade" deals, regulations, environmental laws, and immigration policies.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
What exactly is your objection? I've spent my adult life among the highly educated. It is a given that you'll go where the job is. I know lots of others who won't. Other than a bit of cheap grace, what is your argument? What does all the other stuff have to do with anything?
educated') the ones who "solved all the problems" by growing government
and fucking over large parts of the country with their tax laws, "free
trade" deals, regulations, environmental laws, and immigration policies.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
What exactly is your objection? I've spent my adult life among the highly educated. It is a given that you'll go where the job is. I know lots of others who won't. Other than a bit of cheap grace, what is your argument? What does all the other stuff have to do with anything?
Posted by: pep at March 21, 2016 07:30 PM (LAe3v)
805
I should have gotten out at the stop light and stepped on her car.
Not a good idea. It might have stuck to your shoe.
Not a good idea. It might have stuck to your shoe.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 21, 2016 07:30 PM (YJmuy)
806
Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at March 21, 2016 07:29 PM (D0J8L)
LOL yeah knock it off would work like a charm.
I don't plan on going first or last to those assholes.
LOL yeah knock it off would work like a charm.
I don't plan on going first or last to those assholes.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 07:31 PM (R5HRU)
807
As for the rest, one can't actually control those outcomes with plans. One makes plays and see what the next hand deals.
Plans are useless, but planning is indispensable. Game out the options and figure what you need.
Plans are useless, but planning is indispensable. Game out the options and figure what you need.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at March 21, 2016 07:31 PM (D0J8L)
808
Radio shows *were* the antithesis
Posted by: Cast it back at March 21, 2016 07:31 PM (mcm0N)
809
I don't think the 2016 American election will have mattered when future nations study The First Atomic World War.
That's the one where Burgess Meredith breaks his glasses, right?
That's the one where Burgess Meredith breaks his glasses, right?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 21, 2016 07:31 PM (8ZskC)
810
#NeverTrumpers are like that guy in Saving Private Ryan than won't fight with his unit, cowering around the corner as one gets stabbed to death, because war is wrong guys. I saw bible thumpers like this in the military too, actually, I was one of those bible thumpers at first, refusing to socialize and befriend my brothers because "principles." I repented.
Posted by: Kenja Time at March 21, 2016 07:31 PM (1TjZq)
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 07:32 PM (R5HRU)
812
those who sit out or write in, thanks for enabling Hillary's better turnout
but hey, enjoy the self-satisfaction you get
while it lasts
=======================================
This is an argument that makes very little sense to me. What if you live in California? Someone on the blog here votes third-party and that throws the election to Hillary?
In order for this argument to make any sense whatsoever, that person's vote would have to be the tie-breaker in a dead-even election in the state that holds the needed electoral votes in order for that candidate to win. In other words, the probability is nil.
Vote your conscience.
but hey, enjoy the self-satisfaction you get
while it lasts
=======================================
This is an argument that makes very little sense to me. What if you live in California? Someone on the blog here votes third-party and that throws the election to Hillary?
In order for this argument to make any sense whatsoever, that person's vote would have to be the tie-breaker in a dead-even election in the state that holds the needed electoral votes in order for that candidate to win. In other words, the probability is nil.
Vote your conscience.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 21, 2016 07:32 PM (dFi94)
813
I'm originally from PA...still a lot of wife's family there. Most all are IBEW and are voting GOP first time and its for Trump. They completely dislike Hillary.
Should make things interesting anyway...
Posted by: Skeezix at March 21, 2016 07:21 PM (WnCSK)
I know hardcore union people who will vote for Trump.
I know Bernie supporters who will not vote for Hillary. Some who will vote for Trump in November if that's the ballot.
People seriously underestimate the level of discontent in this country.
I'm originally from PA...still a lot of wife's family there. Most all are IBEW and are voting GOP first time and its for Trump. They completely dislike Hillary.
Should make things interesting anyway...
Posted by: Skeezix at March 21, 2016 07:21 PM (WnCSK)
I know hardcore union people who will vote for Trump.
I know Bernie supporters who will not vote for Hillary. Some who will vote for Trump in November if that's the ballot.
People seriously underestimate the level of discontent in this country.
Posted by: Ed Anger at March 21, 2016 07:32 PM (RcpcZ)
814
those who sit out or write in, thanks for enabling Hillary's better turnout
but hey, enjoy the self-satisfaction you get
while it lasts
Posted by: Feh at March 21, 2016 07:27 PM (Uk9e2)
Meh, I don't think individual votes matter enough to call people out for what they say they'll do with their vote in Internet comments.
Save that for people you have real influence over. This place is just for fun.
but hey, enjoy the self-satisfaction you get
while it lasts
Posted by: Feh at March 21, 2016 07:27 PM (Uk9e2)
Meh, I don't think individual votes matter enough to call people out for what they say they'll do with their vote in Internet comments.
Save that for people you have real influence over. This place is just for fun.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 07:33 PM (uURQL)
815
Can't vote. Convicted felon.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 21, 2016 07:26 PM (kdS6q)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. [*cough* sniff]
You can't vote if you are an honest convicted felon.
God bless.
Can't vote. Convicted felon.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 21, 2016 07:26 PM (kdS6q)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. [*cough* sniff]
You can't vote if you are an honest convicted felon.
God bless.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at March 21, 2016 07:33 PM (dH97I)
816
VS HOP Sucks sorry to hear about your troubles. I will pray for you.
I agree that the Horde is a great refuge, and I too am sick of the primary conflagration going on.
I agree that the Horde is a great refuge, and I too am sick of the primary conflagration going on.
Posted by: @votermom at March 21, 2016 07:33 PM (cbfNE)
817
809 I don't think the 2016 American election will have mattered when future nations study The First Atomic World War.
That's the one where Burgess Meredith breaks his glasses, right?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 21, 2016 07:31 PM (8ZskC)
Luckily, today most glasses are unbreakable. Who says there's no such thing as progress?
I'd recommend glass lenses, though. Plastic ones are probably more likely to melt to your eyes.
That's the one where Burgess Meredith breaks his glasses, right?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 21, 2016 07:31 PM (8ZskC)
Luckily, today most glasses are unbreakable. Who says there's no such thing as progress?
I'd recommend glass lenses, though. Plastic ones are probably more likely to melt to your eyes.
Posted by: rickl at March 21, 2016 07:33 PM (sdi6R)
818
Okay I'm just going to ask this so we can get some folks on record.
If Cruz is the nominee, how many of you would a) vote for him and b)
campaign on his behalf?
Trumpkin here. Voted Cruz in the TX Primary because Texas! Still favor Trump to take it all. Will vote for Cruz in the General if it comes to that.
If the GOPe denies either Trump or Cruz the party's nom, I will take my red swingline stapler and burn their house down.
If Cruz is the nominee, how many of you would a) vote for him and b)
campaign on his behalf?
Trumpkin here. Voted Cruz in the TX Primary because Texas! Still favor Trump to take it all. Will vote for Cruz in the General if it comes to that.
If the GOPe denies either Trump or Cruz the party's nom, I will take my red swingline stapler and burn their house down.
Posted by: Count de Monet, the dude playing the other dude at March 21, 2016 07:34 PM (JO9+V)
819
That's step 1 - a cleansing and reboot of the GOP, or a self-immolation and replacement.
Step 2 is that Trump's wave makes space for reorganization and
revitalization. Even if he fails, now we know who our allies are, and
who our enemies are.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The left won't wait for "reorganization and revitalization". The left will wreck the country, and you're saying we should help them do it.
Also, you seem to spend a lot of time worrying about who "our" enemies in the Republican party are. Are they the ones who cut deals with the Democrats? because if that's your criteria, then Trump is your enemy.
Step 2 is that Trump's wave makes space for reorganization and
revitalization. Even if he fails, now we know who our allies are, and
who our enemies are.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The left won't wait for "reorganization and revitalization". The left will wreck the country, and you're saying we should help them do it.
Also, you seem to spend a lot of time worrying about who "our" enemies in the Republican party are. Are they the ones who cut deals with the Democrats? because if that's your criteria, then Trump is your enemy.
Posted by: flashoverride at March 21, 2016 07:34 PM (iQr18)
820
Can't vote. Convicted felon.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix
****
Told you white (sex) slavery and elephant ivory wasn't legal. Did you listen? Noooooooo.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix
****
Told you white (sex) slavery and elephant ivory wasn't legal. Did you listen? Noooooooo.
Posted by: Hearing Damaged Adult Due to Cap Guns at March 21, 2016 07:34 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: @votermom at March 21, 2016 07:35 PM (cbfNE)
822
Can't vote. Convicted felon.Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix
As President, and convicted (yet pardoned) felon, I will seek to restore voting rights to all the disenfranchised, whatever their crimes. Especially those senior males taking advantage of pubescent girls.
As President, and convicted (yet pardoned) felon, I will seek to restore voting rights to all the disenfranchised, whatever their crimes. Especially those senior males taking advantage of pubescent girls.
Posted by: Hilarity Clinton at March 21, 2016 07:35 PM (fbovC)
823
>Or that it takes more than walking onto American soil to become American?
Or, that immigrants should "want" to assimilate and become Americans, rather than hyphenated, dual loyalty, foreign flag waving cry babies that dare to compare the USA to the countries they supposedly fled from because of real political/religious/economical persecution.
> But they are very LOUD and very good at working the internet.
Probably not conservative-based then, isn't it common knowledge that conservatives are to stupid to embrace the world wide web as anything more than a passing fad, like chia pets
Or, that immigrants should "want" to assimilate and become Americans, rather than hyphenated, dual loyalty, foreign flag waving cry babies that dare to compare the USA to the countries they supposedly fled from because of real political/religious/economical persecution.
> But they are very LOUD and very good at working the internet.
Probably not conservative-based then, isn't it common knowledge that conservatives are to stupid to embrace the world wide web as anything more than a passing fad, like chia pets
Posted by: cind at March 21, 2016 07:35 PM (nRbbW)
824
If Cruz is the nominee I will definitely vote for him.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 21, 2016 07:36 PM (Nwg0u)
825
The fact is that Trump has no self control, and if Hilary were smart, she could easily get under his skin
Again, the caricature isn't necessarily the character.
Again, the caricature isn't necessarily the character.
Posted by: DaveA at March 21, 2016 07:36 PM (DL2i+)
826
Cruz will beat Hillary. It will be close, though. Incremental changes to the 2012 map: Florida (decidedly) and Colorado go Cruz. Then any two of New Hampshire, Iowa and Virginia.
Trump redraws the map in complicated fashion. Strong in the Rust Belt and parts of New England. Loses Colorado again. Gains Florida perhaps.
Trump redraws the map in complicated fashion. Strong in the Rust Belt and parts of New England. Loses Colorado again. Gains Florida perhaps.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at March 21, 2016 07:36 PM (6FqZa)
827
Uummmm....Nood.
Posted by: Tim in GA at March 21, 2016 07:36 PM (x7ooM)
Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 07:36 PM (HA9zO)
829
Okay I'm just going to ask this so we can get some folks on record. If Cruz is the nominee, how many of you would a) vote for him and b) campaign on his behalf?
Posted by: flashoverride at March 21, 2016 07:23 PM (iQr1
Cruz supporter here. I well be voting for him in the PA primary even if he's dropped out by then.
If by some miracle he pulls through, you can bet I will happily and proudly campaign for him.
I will vote for Trump in the general if it comes to that, but that's about it. I will not volunteer for him.
Posted by: flashoverride at March 21, 2016 07:23 PM (iQr1
Cruz supporter here. I well be voting for him in the PA primary even if he's dropped out by then.
If by some miracle he pulls through, you can bet I will happily and proudly campaign for him.
I will vote for Trump in the general if it comes to that, but that's about it. I will not volunteer for him.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 21, 2016 07:36 PM (ZKlDy)
830
Just admit it, Ace. You and the lesser, well, intellectual lights found at Big Conservatism, Inc., are afraid Trump will win. If he were about to be swept to sea there wouldn't be this anger directed at him and his supporters from the fossilized Right.
The upside is the masks has been ripped off the professional "pro-lauwffers," the open borders loons, and the self-loathers at conservative think tanks. We don't have to take them seriously any longer and they will be marginalized and irrelevant the remainder of our lives.
The upside is the masks has been ripped off the professional "pro-lauwffers," the open borders loons, and the self-loathers at conservative think tanks. We don't have to take them seriously any longer and they will be marginalized and irrelevant the remainder of our lives.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 21, 2016 07:36 PM (yvV6Q)
831
rmonster, i have the meatspace bases covered already
the horde may have some influentials in it, and or influential readers
so what's it cost me really
the horde may have some influentials in it, and or influential readers
so what's it cost me really
Posted by: Feh at March 21, 2016 07:37 PM (Uk9e2)
832
#756: She sees him as our one real hope against the globalist/NWO movement, the people she calls "the kingmakers".
He's hated by all the right people, and he fights back against them and wins.
Even the Pope backed down after he picked a fight with Trump and Trump fired back.
He's hated by all the right people, and he fights back against them and wins.
Even the Pope backed down after he picked a fight with Trump and Trump fired back.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at March 21, 2016 07:37 PM (0OG8D)
833
Okay I'm just going to ask this so we can get some folks on record. If Cruz is the nominee, how many of you would a) vote for him and b) campaign on his behalf?
I'd vote for Cruz. I'm not campaigning for anybody.
Okay I'm just going to ask this so we can get some folks on record. If Cruz is the nominee, how many of you would a) vote for him and b) campaign on his behalf?
I'd vote for Cruz. I'm not campaigning for anybody.
Posted by: Ed Anger at March 21, 2016 07:38 PM (RcpcZ)
834
" Cruz will beat Hillary. It will be close, though. Incremental changes to the 2012 map: Florida (decidedly) and Colorado go Cruz. Then any two of New Hampshire, Iowa and Virginia."
Good luck with that....
Good luck with that....
Posted by: Skeezix at March 21, 2016 07:38 PM (WnCSK)
835
> Okay I'm just going to ask this so we can get some folks on record. If Cruz is the nominee, how many of you would a) vote for him and b) campaign on his behalf?
yes and yes
I don't think he could win, but yes.
yes and yes
I don't think he could win, but yes.
Posted by: Kenja Time at March 21, 2016 07:38 PM (1TjZq)
836
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 21, 2016 07:36 PM (yvV6Q)
==============================================
Okay then.
==============================================
Okay then.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at March 21, 2016 07:38 PM (dFi94)
837
#766, What Trump is showing is he can turn it on if it might win him votes. It's what he does. His past statements towards Israel haven't exactly been supportive. He'll change course in a heartbeat if he can win more voters that don't agree we should support Israel. Trumps only ideology is whatever it takes to win over a crowd at the moment. To win.
The best indication of future performance is past performance. Apply that same knowledge to your own family and you'll find he's just like your selfish lazy uncle who scams the entire family whenever he can to get what he wants.
The best indication of future performance is past performance. Apply that same knowledge to your own family and you'll find he's just like your selfish lazy uncle who scams the entire family whenever he can to get what he wants.
Posted by: Whippet at March 21, 2016 07:38 PM (YwQCs)
838
I cant believe some people here posted that they would vote for Hillary. F*ck You!
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 21, 2016 07:20 PM (iQIUe)
And NOBODY can figure out how Hillery beating Trump in a one-on-one poll NOW may not accurately reflect the relative positions when it really is a one-on-one race.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 21, 2016 07:20 PM (iQIUe)
And NOBODY can figure out how Hillery beating Trump in a one-on-one poll NOW may not accurately reflect the relative positions when it really is a one-on-one race.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 21, 2016 07:39 PM (T78UI)
839
The left won't wait for "reorganization and revitalization". The left will wreck the country, and you're saying we should help them do it.
The GOPe is doing that just fine, thank you very much.
I don't expect Trump to lose, because he's not a shriveled old crone.
Besides, if your personal fate is actually dependent on the outcome of a particular election, you need to reorganize your life.
Also, you seem to spend a lot of time worrying about who "our" enemies in the Republican party are. Are they the ones who cut deals with the Democrats? because if that's your criteria, then Trump is your enemy.
Worrying? No, identifying. Yes, they're the ones who grew the budget year after year, expanded and grew SS/Medicare, and continued funding PP even in the wake of the Baby Butcher reveal last year.
No, Trump isn't the enemy, that's just stupid. He's the useful flag for this moment.
And if he's a false flag, then replace him like Lincoln going through generals.
But for now ... he fights.
The GOPe is doing that just fine, thank you very much.
I don't expect Trump to lose, because he's not a shriveled old crone.
Besides, if your personal fate is actually dependent on the outcome of a particular election, you need to reorganize your life.
Also, you seem to spend a lot of time worrying about who "our" enemies in the Republican party are. Are they the ones who cut deals with the Democrats? because if that's your criteria, then Trump is your enemy.
Worrying? No, identifying. Yes, they're the ones who grew the budget year after year, expanded and grew SS/Medicare, and continued funding PP even in the wake of the Baby Butcher reveal last year.
No, Trump isn't the enemy, that's just stupid. He's the useful flag for this moment.
And if he's a false flag, then replace him like Lincoln going through generals.
But for now ... he fights.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 07:39 PM (uURQL)
840
Do you know what would get me to vote for Trump?
1) Release tax returns now. Not after the convention. Show me now, Mr. Trump, show me now.
2) Release the NYT tapes.
But really, the tax returns please.
I know Trump supporters imagine he can get away without releasing them, despite his promises to do so, because you notice the media dropped the issue.
Why did they do that? Because they love Trump?
No. Because they want him to be the nominee.
After that, they will still make tons of money, but will also demand those tax returns.
So, as Republican primary voter, I'd like to see those now.
If they are clean as a whistle and show tons of donations to veteran's causes, then I'll consider voting Trump.
Otherwise, why is he hiding them? He promised Hewitt he would release them. Now, no.
1) Release tax returns now. Not after the convention. Show me now, Mr. Trump, show me now.
2) Release the NYT tapes.
But really, the tax returns please.
I know Trump supporters imagine he can get away without releasing them, despite his promises to do so, because you notice the media dropped the issue.
Why did they do that? Because they love Trump?
No. Because they want him to be the nominee.
After that, they will still make tons of money, but will also demand those tax returns.
So, as Republican primary voter, I'd like to see those now.
If they are clean as a whistle and show tons of donations to veteran's causes, then I'll consider voting Trump.
Otherwise, why is he hiding them? He promised Hewitt he would release them. Now, no.
Posted by: sexypig at March 21, 2016 07:39 PM (dZQh7)
841
830
Just admit it, Ace. You and the lesser, well, intellectual lights found
at Big Conservatism, Inc., are afraid Trump will win. If he were about
to be swept to sea there wouldn't be this anger directed at him and his
supporters from the fossilized Right.
You've completely missed the point. I loathe Trump. I despise him and all his works. But given the choice between him and Hilary, I'll root for him.
However, I don't think he will win, in fact I'm certain of it. I think he will cost us the election and a whole lot more.
Please stop setting strawmen alight. It hurts them.
Just admit it, Ace. You and the lesser, well, intellectual lights found
at Big Conservatism, Inc., are afraid Trump will win. If he were about
to be swept to sea there wouldn't be this anger directed at him and his
supporters from the fossilized Right.
You've completely missed the point. I loathe Trump. I despise him and all his works. But given the choice between him and Hilary, I'll root for him.
However, I don't think he will win, in fact I'm certain of it. I think he will cost us the election and a whole lot more.
Please stop setting strawmen alight. It hurts them.
Posted by: pep at March 21, 2016 07:39 PM (LAe3v)
842
Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 07:36 PM (HA9zO)
No such thing. Just the left.
No such thing. Just the left.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 07:40 PM (R5HRU)
843
nood, all.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at March 21, 2016 07:40 PM (AkOaV)
844
" selfish lazy uncle "
The fact that you actually believe he is "lazy" is evidence enough that you have no clue...
The fact that you actually believe he is "lazy" is evidence enough that you have no clue...
Posted by: Skeezix at March 21, 2016 07:40 PM (WnCSK)
845
Yes, Trump killed it in the AIPAC speech. Why can't we have this Trump 100% of the time? sigh...
Posted by: Soulpatchtony at March 21, 2016 07:21 PM (m40v5)
Trump is probably not really smart enough, but maybe he panders to his audience in his speaking style like every professional politician.
Posted by: Soulpatchtony at March 21, 2016 07:21 PM (m40v5)
Trump is probably not really smart enough, but maybe he panders to his audience in his speaking style like every professional politician.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 21, 2016 07:42 PM (T78UI)
846
So from now on, I won't argue against Trump.
I will just ask that he fulfills his promises and releases his tax returns.
The NYT tapes would be great, too.
I'm sure Mr. Trump has nothing to hide, and this would be a way to get my vote.
I will just ask that he fulfills his promises and releases his tax returns.
The NYT tapes would be great, too.
I'm sure Mr. Trump has nothing to hide, and this would be a way to get my vote.
Posted by: sexypig at March 21, 2016 07:42 PM (dZQh7)
847
Otherwise, why is he hiding them? He promised Hewitt he would release them. Now, no.
Posted by: sexypig at March 21, 2016 07:39 PM (dZQh7)
It's excellent leverage. He can point out, with a whole lot of justification, that Hillary Clinton has hidden critically important affairs of state, to say nothing of the transcripts of her speeches to the incredibly wealthy establishment. If they get leaked by the IRS because Obama, that works too- one law for the Dems, one law for us.
Trump doesn't give away advantages on the hope that things are made marginally easier among the very reluctant.
Otherwise, why is he hiding them? He promised Hewitt he would release them. Now, no.
Posted by: sexypig at March 21, 2016 07:39 PM (dZQh7)
It's excellent leverage. He can point out, with a whole lot of justification, that Hillary Clinton has hidden critically important affairs of state, to say nothing of the transcripts of her speeches to the incredibly wealthy establishment. If they get leaked by the IRS because Obama, that works too- one law for the Dems, one law for us.
Trump doesn't give away advantages on the hope that things are made marginally easier among the very reluctant.
Posted by: trev006 at March 21, 2016 07:42 PM (MEHba)
848
@532: "He supports planned Parenthood.
He refused to even consider reforming any entitlements.
He says very different things to different people on his positions on immigration.
He can't name a single government bureaucracy he'll cut.
He
states he can make deals with Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi - which is
kind of weird, since they're the minority party leaders right now.
He almost never talks about the Constitution.
He didn't know what the nuclear triad is, which has been the basis of our nuclear strategy since freaking 60s.
He can't name a single Executive Order he'll roll back.
He
keeps harping on "making better deals"... What exactly are these deals,
and how will he make them? He is aware that our trade deficit is based
on private company decisions, not under government direction, right? The
Federal government can't mandate that iPhones are made here, for
instance."
Planned Parenthood - well, the GOP couldn't quite get that defunding thing done, so...yeah, they support it, too.
Reforming entitlements - some ostensible conservatives talk about it, none really actually try it. Not seeing a world of difference here.
Differing statements on immigration - puts him squarely with pretty much everyone else in the GOP
Can't name a bureaucracy that he'll cut: is this really any different than the ongoing strategy of naming them, but never cutting them?
Deals with Chuck and Nancy - sounds better than the ongoing strategy of "unconditional surrender to Chuck and Nancy"
Never talks about the Constitution - better than misinterpreting it, or just giving it lip service, no? At least no worse.
Nuclear triad - so? The last guy the GOP got into the White House couldn't even say "Nuclear"
Executive Orders - again, is his position any worse than those who can identify, but won't actually do any rolling back?
He refused to even consider reforming any entitlements.
He says very different things to different people on his positions on immigration.
He can't name a single government bureaucracy he'll cut.
He
states he can make deals with Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi - which is
kind of weird, since they're the minority party leaders right now.
He almost never talks about the Constitution.
He didn't know what the nuclear triad is, which has been the basis of our nuclear strategy since freaking 60s.
He can't name a single Executive Order he'll roll back.
He
keeps harping on "making better deals"... What exactly are these deals,
and how will he make them? He is aware that our trade deficit is based
on private company decisions, not under government direction, right? The
Federal government can't mandate that iPhones are made here, for
instance."
Planned Parenthood - well, the GOP couldn't quite get that defunding thing done, so...yeah, they support it, too.
Reforming entitlements - some ostensible conservatives talk about it, none really actually try it. Not seeing a world of difference here.
Differing statements on immigration - puts him squarely with pretty much everyone else in the GOP
Can't name a bureaucracy that he'll cut: is this really any different than the ongoing strategy of naming them, but never cutting them?
Deals with Chuck and Nancy - sounds better than the ongoing strategy of "unconditional surrender to Chuck and Nancy"
Never talks about the Constitution - better than misinterpreting it, or just giving it lip service, no? At least no worse.
Nuclear triad - so? The last guy the GOP got into the White House couldn't even say "Nuclear"
Executive Orders - again, is his position any worse than those who can identify, but won't actually do any rolling back?
Posted by: FaCubeItches at March 21, 2016 07:45 PM (rznWS)
849
Worrying? No, identifying. Yes, they're the ones who grew the
budget year after year, expanded and grew SS/Medicare, and continued
funding PP even in the wake of the Baby Butcher reveal last year.
No, Trump isn't the enemy, that's just stupid. He's the useful flag for this moment.
And if he's a false flag, then replace him like Lincoln going through generals.
+++++++++++++++++
Dude.
Trump stated repeatedly that he supports Planned Parenthood and will not work to reform SS and Medicare.
Do you even know who your candidate is?
And you can't just replace him like Lincoln replaced Generals, dude. Lincoln could burn through Generals because he was the President. There's only a couple of ways to change a President, and the usual one takes 4 years.
Worrying? No, identifying. Yes, they're the ones who grew the
budget year after year, expanded and grew SS/Medicare, and continued
funding PP even in the wake of the Baby Butcher reveal last year.
No, Trump isn't the enemy, that's just stupid. He's the useful flag for this moment.
And if he's a false flag, then replace him like Lincoln going through generals.
+++++++++++++++++
Dude.
Trump stated repeatedly that he supports Planned Parenthood and will not work to reform SS and Medicare.
Do you even know who your candidate is?
And you can't just replace him like Lincoln replaced Generals, dude. Lincoln could burn through Generals because he was the President. There's only a couple of ways to change a President, and the usual one takes 4 years.
Posted by: flashoverride at March 21, 2016 07:45 PM (iQr18)
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 21, 2016 07:46 PM (ZKlDy)
851
841:
"You've completely missed the point. I loathe Trump. I despise him and all his works. But given the choice between him and Hilary, I'll root for him."
I didn't miss anything. You are the exception to the professional True Conservative, Inc., Brigade that won't vote for Trump. Fortunately their numbers are small and comprised largely of self-parodying oafs.
Sorry to read that about strawmen. It's like being John Travolta in plastic, apparently.
"You've completely missed the point. I loathe Trump. I despise him and all his works. But given the choice between him and Hilary, I'll root for him."
I didn't miss anything. You are the exception to the professional True Conservative, Inc., Brigade that won't vote for Trump. Fortunately their numbers are small and comprised largely of self-parodying oafs.
Sorry to read that about strawmen. It's like being John Travolta in plastic, apparently.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 21, 2016 07:47 PM (yvV6Q)
852
"I finally got around to reading the much-condemned Kevin Williamson piece that says that most of working class America's problems could be solved by better behavior. I don't really understand the problem with this concept. Yes, Obama has screwed things up, but the fact is that what he (KW) described is something that the highly educated take for granted. You move to where the jobs are, and don't just bitch and shoot up because your life isn't what you expected it would be. And you sure as hell don't fall in love with whomever tells you not to worry, that he'll make it all okay.
For God's sake, Trump is not your Daddy.
Posted by: pep at March 21, 2016 07:07 PM (LAe3v)"
Even an insufferable dick like Williamson can be right occasionally.
The white middle/lower class social structures mirror where black people were 50 years ago and it's headed on the same trajectory. The difference being that black people blame bogey men like institutional racism and white privilege for their decline and whites are blaming outsourcing and imbalanced trade policies for theirs. As usual, however, the answer lies within. That's why Judeo-Christian religion is so important.
Good religion teaches you that the biggest problem with you is you. If one wants to avoid poverty in America, one need only do four things: Graduate high school, get married, stay married, and don't have kids until you're in your mid 20s. That's it, a simple formula that the white lower class has abandoned.
We have a moral responsibility to graduate high school, don't get addicted to drugs or other recreational vices like tobacco and alcohol, and don't beget a couple of bastard children with a gal who lives three trailers down whom we have no intention of marrying. Personal responsibility. I don't put up with this blame-shifting with any other race and I'm damn sure not gonna put up with it by my own.
For God's sake, Trump is not your Daddy.
Posted by: pep at March 21, 2016 07:07 PM (LAe3v)"
Even an insufferable dick like Williamson can be right occasionally.
The white middle/lower class social structures mirror where black people were 50 years ago and it's headed on the same trajectory. The difference being that black people blame bogey men like institutional racism and white privilege for their decline and whites are blaming outsourcing and imbalanced trade policies for theirs. As usual, however, the answer lies within. That's why Judeo-Christian religion is so important.
Good religion teaches you that the biggest problem with you is you. If one wants to avoid poverty in America, one need only do four things: Graduate high school, get married, stay married, and don't have kids until you're in your mid 20s. That's it, a simple formula that the white lower class has abandoned.
We have a moral responsibility to graduate high school, don't get addicted to drugs or other recreational vices like tobacco and alcohol, and don't beget a couple of bastard children with a gal who lives three trailers down whom we have no intention of marrying. Personal responsibility. I don't put up with this blame-shifting with any other race and I'm damn sure not gonna put up with it by my own.
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at March 21, 2016 07:47 PM (Xz91K)
853
I think Trump is a cataclysmic event for the Republican Party.
*****
Good for you to realize this, after months of being "Trump curious" because he said all the "right" things about the Establishment and kicking out those Messicans.
I'm quite sure you are against the Public shaming List, not the least of which because your name would probably appear upon it (but more likely in the Mark Levin / Dana Loesch / Malkin part of the list of folks who merely boosted Trump for months, instead of the full-on Trumpkin propaganda arm of the media, like Ingraham, Coulter and Hannity).
I'm all for such a list, if for no other reason than the people on it should be laughed at whenever they come trying to claim any sort of credibility when lecturing about conservatism and conservative values. Ha ha. No. If you're on the list, your services are no longer required in that regard.
*****
Good for you to realize this, after months of being "Trump curious" because he said all the "right" things about the Establishment and kicking out those Messicans.
I'm quite sure you are against the Public shaming List, not the least of which because your name would probably appear upon it (but more likely in the Mark Levin / Dana Loesch / Malkin part of the list of folks who merely boosted Trump for months, instead of the full-on Trumpkin propaganda arm of the media, like Ingraham, Coulter and Hannity).
I'm all for such a list, if for no other reason than the people on it should be laughed at whenever they come trying to claim any sort of credibility when lecturing about conservatism and conservative values. Ha ha. No. If you're on the list, your services are no longer required in that regard.
Posted by: Vyce at March 21, 2016 07:47 PM (HI7nL)
854
#877
There are many forms of lazy, so yes I have a clue. And yes I believe he is very lazy in one area and that is why he will lose. Not all voters buy into his bulls*it. Maybe you are the one who hasn't a clue.
There are many forms of lazy, so yes I have a clue. And yes I believe he is very lazy in one area and that is why he will lose. Not all voters buy into his bulls*it. Maybe you are the one who hasn't a clue.
Posted by: Whippet at March 21, 2016 07:49 PM (YwQCs)
855
Posted by: flashoverride at March 21, 2016 07:45 PM (iQr1
Don't bother. There are Trump supporters who will accuse others of doing what their candidate has done/is doing.
E.g., he still gets super credit for his immigration stance even though he walked it back while millions were watching on tv, and he very recently defended his practice of hiring foreigners in his businesses rather than Americans.
Don't bother. There are Trump supporters who will accuse others of doing what their candidate has done/is doing.
E.g., he still gets super credit for his immigration stance even though he walked it back while millions were watching on tv, and he very recently defended his practice of hiring foreigners in his businesses rather than Americans.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 21, 2016 07:49 PM (ZKlDy)
856
Right now my retirement plan consists of working until I can't physically work any longer, then putting a bullet into my head.
You made it thru 7 years of TFG without the gas pipe. Keep trudging!
You made it thru 7 years of TFG without the gas pipe. Keep trudging!
Posted by: DaveA at March 21, 2016 07:50 PM (DL2i+)
857
No Blacklists!
Blacklists are stupid. Except fo Communists, like the three Castro Brothers.
Seriously, have you ever see Obama so happy, beaming, bowing to Raul, posing under Che's image--the mask is finally completely off.
Blacklists are stupid. Except fo Communists, like the three Castro Brothers.
Seriously, have you ever see Obama so happy, beaming, bowing to Raul, posing under Che's image--the mask is finally completely off.
Posted by: The Wolf Who Cried Boy at March 21, 2016 07:50 PM (Ndje9)
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 21, 2016 07:52 PM (ZKlDy)
859
But the alternative is having the Iranians take it over.
Maybe they could settle it with bayonets - repeatedly.
Maybe they could settle it with bayonets - repeatedly.
Posted by: DaveA at March 21, 2016 07:52 PM (DL2i+)
860
Y'know what, I take it back. I'm done. I'm sick of holding back the tide and finding more blades in my back than at my side.
If my last resorts are going to get me rebuked, y'all can fight, I'm done. Just going to finish my obligations and this world can see to itself.
If my last resorts are going to get me rebuked, y'all can fight, I'm done. Just going to finish my obligations and this world can see to itself.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at March 21, 2016 07:53 PM (D0J8L)
Posted by: Kenja Time at March 21, 2016 07:53 PM (1TjZq)
862
Dude.
Trump stated repeatedly that he supports Planned Parenthood and will not work to reform SS and Medicare.
Do you even know who your candidate is?
Yeah, he talked up PP's non-abortion work, however nonexistent that may be, and criticized their use of tax dollars.
I'm pointing out that GOPe is guaranteed failure. Trump is possibility of failure.
Do I really need to do fancy maths here to show why choice is better than another?
And you can't just replace him like Lincoln replaced Generals, dude. Lincoln could burn through Generals because he was the President. There's only a couple of ways to change a President, and the usual one takes 4 years.
Posted by: flashoverride at March 21, 2016 07:45 PM (iQr1
You're not listening to a word I say ... so why are you talking to me?
Trump is the hopeful method. If Trump fails, less hopeful methods happen.
Trump stated repeatedly that he supports Planned Parenthood and will not work to reform SS and Medicare.
Do you even know who your candidate is?
Yeah, he talked up PP's non-abortion work, however nonexistent that may be, and criticized their use of tax dollars.
I'm pointing out that GOPe is guaranteed failure. Trump is possibility of failure.
Do I really need to do fancy maths here to show why choice is better than another?
And you can't just replace him like Lincoln replaced Generals, dude. Lincoln could burn through Generals because he was the President. There's only a couple of ways to change a President, and the usual one takes 4 years.
Posted by: flashoverride at March 21, 2016 07:45 PM (iQr1
You're not listening to a word I say ... so why are you talking to me?
Trump is the hopeful method. If Trump fails, less hopeful methods happen.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 07:54 PM (uURQL)
863
What's the point of the Bomb if you are not willing to use it?
Posted by: Tom in New Smyrna Beach at March 21, 2016 07:54 PM (a9ehQ)
864
Either Trump or Sanders will unclog the drain...maybe we need that to happen. But it will not be pretty.... but.... the Big Gov., Big wall street, big banks, big media sewage will stop backing up into our basements. And the clog will be on it's way to the sewage treatment plant.
Posted by: danny at March 21, 2016 07:55 PM (ipWk5)
865
You're missing that a contested convention means establishment-selected delegates (ALL of them, form what i hear) in an atmosphere where the establishment makes the rules, and has a history of changing them mid-stream. not exactly his "home ground".
Posted by: Optimizer at March 21, 2016 06:56 PM (/q6+P)
You are describing a brokered convention, not a contested or open convention.
Posted by: Optimizer at March 21, 2016 06:56 PM (/q6+P)
You are describing a brokered convention, not a contested or open convention.
Posted by: Tyrconnell at March 21, 2016 07:55 PM (jeKFO)
866
cuckservative", but it sounds to me like an apt description of the GOPe.
It's a real vile asshole thing to say. And this is me saying that. Let's leave it to the Swastika clowns.
It's a real vile asshole thing to say. And this is me saying that. Let's leave it to the Swastika clowns.
Posted by: DaveA at March 21, 2016 07:55 PM (DL2i+)
867
So that's why I feel like I'm in the middle of Marvel's Civil War when I'm reading a lot of this stuff.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks. at March 21, 2016 07:14 PM (16TRA)
I think being high intensity is the only way to sharpen political instincts until the lies burn off. Or until what remains can stand up to repeated pounding.
But I don't think the situation will even be as consequential as the Marvel CW, I really don't. Most conservatives don't want to hurt each other and will avoid doing so. Are we gullible enough to attack each other for real? Maybe, but I hope not.
Especially as it's far more likely that when, not if, liberals attack us it will really be time to choose sides, Clinton presidency or not.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks. at March 21, 2016 07:14 PM (16TRA)
I think being high intensity is the only way to sharpen political instincts until the lies burn off. Or until what remains can stand up to repeated pounding.
But I don't think the situation will even be as consequential as the Marvel CW, I really don't. Most conservatives don't want to hurt each other and will avoid doing so. Are we gullible enough to attack each other for real? Maybe, but I hope not.
Especially as it's far more likely that when, not if, liberals attack us it will really be time to choose sides, Clinton presidency or not.
Posted by: trev006 at March 21, 2016 07:56 PM (MEHba)
868
I gave money to Cruz.
I'll vote for Trump if he is the nominee.
I didn't always hold that perspective, but the more people trash him the more I start to like him.
He is like that monster on one of those superhero cartoons that only grows bigger by absorbing the energy when people attack him.
I'll vote for Trump if he is the nominee.
I didn't always hold that perspective, but the more people trash him the more I start to like him.
He is like that monster on one of those superhero cartoons that only grows bigger by absorbing the energy when people attack him.
Posted by: Malcolm Tent at March 21, 2016 07:56 PM (pmLAk)
869
E.g., he still gets super credit for his immigration stance even though he walked it back while millions were watching on tv, and he very recently defended his practice of hiring foreigners in his businesses rather than Americans.
He walked back the "walk back", so why do you think only the debate walk back counts?
He walked back the "walk back", so why do you think only the debate walk back counts?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 07:57 PM (uURQL)
870
He walked back the "walk back", so why do you think only the debate walk back counts?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely
At what point does his utter lack of principles or consistency become a problem for you?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely
At what point does his utter lack of principles or consistency become a problem for you?
Posted by: pep at March 21, 2016 07:58 PM (LAe3v)
871
He walked back the "walk back", so why do you think only the debate walk back counts?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 07:57 PM (uURQL)
Oh, so I should view his inconsistency on what is supposedly his yuuuge main attraction as a plus?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 07:57 PM (uURQL)
Oh, so I should view his inconsistency on what is supposedly his yuuuge main attraction as a plus?
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 21, 2016 07:58 PM (ZKlDy)
872
For whatever reason it was asked, of course I will vote Cruz if he catches a miracle wave. I don't do lists, I don't do Hillary enabling.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 21, 2016 07:59 PM (yvV6Q)
873
Amazing that people will vote for someone who is only the possibility of failure to avoid the guaranteed failure when there is still a candidate out there who would be a guaranteed success. Boggles the mind.
And those very people can't understand why we won't give up our principles and get on the Trump train.
And those very people can't understand why we won't give up our principles and get on the Trump train.
Posted by: Whippet at March 21, 2016 08:00 PM (YwQCs)
874
"Do you like The Shadow?
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 21, 2016 07:52 PM (ZKlDy)"
Who knows? HaHaHaHaHa
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 21, 2016 07:52 PM (ZKlDy)"
Who knows? HaHaHaHaHa
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at March 21, 2016 08:01 PM (GZ/jc)
875
when there is still a candidate out there who would be a guaranteed success.
Posted by: Whippet at March 21, 2016 08:00 PM (YwQCs)
A success at what? Because there's a candidate who has "regularly wins with evangelicals and large Southern states that don't rhyme with breakfas" and that candidate is Donald Trump.
If you can't dominate in your best territory with friendly populations, then the notion of being a sure thing is a little less sure.
Posted by: Whippet at March 21, 2016 08:00 PM (YwQCs)
A success at what? Because there's a candidate who has "regularly wins with evangelicals and large Southern states that don't rhyme with breakfas" and that candidate is Donald Trump.
If you can't dominate in your best territory with friendly populations, then the notion of being a sure thing is a little less sure.
Posted by: trev006 at March 21, 2016 08:02 PM (MEHba)
876
Who knows? HaHaHaHaHa
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at March 21, 2016 08:01 PM (GZ/jc)
I love old time radio and listened to two episodes today. OMG, it is so over the top, especially the maniacal laugh.
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at March 21, 2016 08:01 PM (GZ/jc)
I love old time radio and listened to two episodes today. OMG, it is so over the top, especially the maniacal laugh.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 21, 2016 08:03 PM (ZKlDy)
877
Trump has threatened to lead his people to riot even though a majority of the Republican electorate voted against him. This in and of itself should negate any deal he had.
The politicians meeting with Trump work for the electorate. The electorate has a gawd damn right to know who is meeting with Trump. Any groups taking money from the public are not owed some right to privacy when meeting with Trump.
The Electorate has every right to know.
The politicians meeting with Trump work for the electorate. The electorate has a gawd damn right to know who is meeting with Trump. Any groups taking money from the public are not owed some right to privacy when meeting with Trump.
The Electorate has every right to know.
Posted by: Cast it back at March 21, 2016 08:04 PM (mcm0N)
878
At what point does his utter lack of principles or consistency become a problem for you?
Posted by: pep at March 21, 2016 07:58 PM (LAe3v)
If he's president and acts like you think he does. Not before, because words are cheap.
Oh, so I should view his inconsistency on what is supposedly his yuuuge main attraction as a plus?
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 21, 2016 07:58 PM (ZKlDy)
You think what is uttered in a high pressure debate setting has the same weight as something said with more time to prepare and deliberate?
What he said in the debate was ambiguous because he talked about desiring highly skilled immigrants - which he aftwards clarifies as not being support for the H1B program.
I don't expect you to take this as a plus. You can ding him for an inconsistency if you think that's what it is. But he hasn't actually changed his stance on immigration, nor have his supporters.
The debate is words, not actions. His actions are still consistent. His support from folks like Sessions is still there.
Posted by: pep at March 21, 2016 07:58 PM (LAe3v)
If he's president and acts like you think he does. Not before, because words are cheap.
Oh, so I should view his inconsistency on what is supposedly his yuuuge main attraction as a plus?
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 21, 2016 07:58 PM (ZKlDy)
You think what is uttered in a high pressure debate setting has the same weight as something said with more time to prepare and deliberate?
What he said in the debate was ambiguous because he talked about desiring highly skilled immigrants - which he aftwards clarifies as not being support for the H1B program.
I don't expect you to take this as a plus. You can ding him for an inconsistency if you think that's what it is. But he hasn't actually changed his stance on immigration, nor have his supporters.
The debate is words, not actions. His actions are still consistent. His support from folks like Sessions is still there.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 08:06 PM (uURQL)
879
875:
"If you can't dominate in your best territory with friendly populations, then the notion of being a sure thing is a little less sure."
I don't find Cruz as problematic as most Trump supporters. That said, we have ample empirical data to indicated Cruz would lose in the blow-out Ace and others think will be the fate of Trump.
"If you can't dominate in your best territory with friendly populations, then the notion of being a sure thing is a little less sure."
I don't find Cruz as problematic as most Trump supporters. That said, we have ample empirical data to indicated Cruz would lose in the blow-out Ace and others think will be the fate of Trump.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 21, 2016 08:06 PM (yvV6Q)
880
Ok, let me understand this. We are supposedly upset that Republican politicians only care about winning and not about fulfilling their promises to the voters or good governance.
But I should support a known liberal running under the GOP banner just because he is winning?
Sorry, no.
The only reason he's getting my vote in the general is that his opponent is Hillary.
But I should support a known liberal running under the GOP banner just because he is winning?
Sorry, no.
The only reason he's getting my vote in the general is that his opponent is Hillary.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 21, 2016 08:06 PM (ZKlDy)
881
#873: I believe Cruz is GOPe. He has the connections, he's on record as actively supporting large portions of the globalist agenda, and he fits the general pattern of a GOPe "splitter", someone who primarily got into the race to deny his home state's delegates to a "movement" candidate.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at March 21, 2016 08:06 PM (0OG8D)
882
Globalist agenda such as...?
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 08:07 PM (R5HRU)
883
I understand talk is cheap and actions count, but if you can't even get the talking part right...
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 21, 2016 08:08 PM (ZKlDy)
884
"I love old time radio and listened to two episodes today. OMG, it is so over the top, especially the maniacal laugh.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 21, 2016 08:03 PM (ZKlDy)"
I love OTR. I have to believe that it's much more exercising for the intellect to listen to a show and mentally fill in the visual rather than having the visual spoon-fed you. I love the Shadow pulp novels. Breezy reads that keep the attention-span destructing effects of the internet at bay.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 21, 2016 08:03 PM (ZKlDy)"
I love OTR. I have to believe that it's much more exercising for the intellect to listen to a show and mentally fill in the visual rather than having the visual spoon-fed you. I love the Shadow pulp novels. Breezy reads that keep the attention-span destructing effects of the internet at bay.
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at March 21, 2016 08:09 PM (oK19E)
885
Ok, let me understand this. We are supposedly upset that Republican politicians only care about winning and not about fulfilling their promises to the voters or good governance.
But I should support a known liberal running under the GOP banner just because he is winning?
He tore down PC in the process. That deserves a lot of credit and he isn't even in the GE yet.
He fought, that's why. He fights for his supporters, and his support feeds off that.
Maybe he's just another backstabby politician ... but he hasn't backstabbed the right yet.
But I should support a known liberal running under the GOP banner just because he is winning?
He tore down PC in the process. That deserves a lot of credit and he isn't even in the GE yet.
He fought, that's why. He fights for his supporters, and his support feeds off that.
Maybe he's just another backstabby politician ... but he hasn't backstabbed the right yet.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 08:09 PM (uURQL)
886
Trump is smarter than you think, ace. Listen to his AIPAC speech. Still some ego but makes sense. Link in WZ thread at nick. And look at his fern policy ppl. Not bad.
Posted by: oddnot not liking these times at March 21, 2016 08:09 PM (g1MTt)
887
I understand talk is cheap and actions count, but if you can't even get the talking part right...
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 21, 2016 08:08 PM (ZKlDy)
If debates reflected actual presidential working conditions, I would be more concerned.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 21, 2016 08:08 PM (ZKlDy)
If debates reflected actual presidential working conditions, I would be more concerned.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 08:10 PM (uURQL)
888
878
At what point does his utter lack of principles or consistency become a problem for you?
Posted by: pep at March 21, 2016 07:58 PM (LAe3v)
If he's president and acts like you think he does. Not before, because words are cheap.
So, I should support a man who has shown no capacity for the Presidency and a predisposition to lie and say whatever pops into his head, regardless of the inconsistency with his previous positions, because his lies haven't caused any damage yet? Brilliant!
At what point does his utter lack of principles or consistency become a problem for you?
Posted by: pep at March 21, 2016 07:58 PM (LAe3v)
If he's president and acts like you think he does. Not before, because words are cheap.
So, I should support a man who has shown no capacity for the Presidency and a predisposition to lie and say whatever pops into his head, regardless of the inconsistency with his previous positions, because his lies haven't caused any damage yet? Brilliant!
Posted by: pep at March 21, 2016 08:11 PM (LAe3v)
889
Posted by: Lamont Cranston at March 21, 2016 08:09 PM (oK19E)
I'm more into the detective shows, but I also love Suspense.
OTR is the absolute best thing. I love it.
I'll listen to a few more episodes of The Shadow. Orson Welles played the lead in one of the episodes I listened to today.
I'm more into the detective shows, but I also love Suspense.
OTR is the absolute best thing. I love it.
I'll listen to a few more episodes of The Shadow. Orson Welles played the lead in one of the episodes I listened to today.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 21, 2016 08:11 PM (ZKlDy)
890
So, I should support a man who has shown no capacity for the Presidency and a predisposition to lie and say whatever pops into his head, regardless of the inconsistency with his previous positions, because his lies haven't caused any damage yet? Brilliant!
Posted by: pep at March 21, 2016 08:11 PM (LAe3v)
Support whoever you want.
I'm describing why many can support Trump, enthusiastically even.
If you don't want in, enjoy whoever your alternate is.
It's not like you're open-minded about a potential sale.
Posted by: pep at March 21, 2016 08:11 PM (LAe3v)
Support whoever you want.
I'm describing why many can support Trump, enthusiastically even.
If you don't want in, enjoy whoever your alternate is.
It's not like you're open-minded about a potential sale.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 08:12 PM (uURQL)
891
I give Trump mucho credit for not submitting to the rules of PC. But he's also shown himself to have some very major personality and character defects I don't want in my president.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 21, 2016 08:14 PM (ZKlDy)
892
>>>>sure. all the polls are wrong. they're all faked by people who don't like Trump.
let's proceed to the inevitable next step: Claiming that Trump *could have won* had he not been stabbed in the back by Charles Krauthammer or even minor bloggers like me.
Posted by: ace at March 21, 2016 05:53 PM (dciA+)
a) If pre-general polls were the be-all, end-all, why weren't you with Rubio or Kasich all along? Cruz is an incredibly risky bet for a guy that the establishment hates and has zero charisma and a repellent personality. I was never persuaded by your argument that because he didn't fracture the party, the party would be unified to actually win. Romney didn't fracture the party either and no one was really that jazzed to vote for him. How'd that work out?
b) To me, that would have been about the only silver lining to a Cruz candidacy is that we'd finally have some clarity that the left has imported enough ethnic minorities who are receptive to their "blame whitey" pitch that constitutional conservatives can no longer win national elections. But, the reality is people always find excuses for their bad decisions.
The only lasting political solution with the left is a two state solution. Most of the red states are clustered together so that separation could be pretty clean. If we stick around until Texas becomes Mexas, your only recourse is moving to another country.
let's proceed to the inevitable next step: Claiming that Trump *could have won* had he not been stabbed in the back by Charles Krauthammer or even minor bloggers like me.
Posted by: ace at March 21, 2016 05:53 PM (dciA+)
a) If pre-general polls were the be-all, end-all, why weren't you with Rubio or Kasich all along? Cruz is an incredibly risky bet for a guy that the establishment hates and has zero charisma and a repellent personality. I was never persuaded by your argument that because he didn't fracture the party, the party would be unified to actually win. Romney didn't fracture the party either and no one was really that jazzed to vote for him. How'd that work out?
b) To me, that would have been about the only silver lining to a Cruz candidacy is that we'd finally have some clarity that the left has imported enough ethnic minorities who are receptive to their "blame whitey" pitch that constitutional conservatives can no longer win national elections. But, the reality is people always find excuses for their bad decisions.
The only lasting political solution with the left is a two state solution. Most of the red states are clustered together so that separation could be pretty clean. If we stick around until Texas becomes Mexas, your only recourse is moving to another country.
Posted by: crrr6 (hotair refugee) at March 21, 2016 08:16 PM (r23qW)
893
Support whoever you want.
...
It's not like you're open-minded about a potential sale.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely
Thanks for your permission. At least I can defend my guy without resorting to petulance.
...
It's not like you're open-minded about a potential sale.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely
Thanks for your permission. At least I can defend my guy without resorting to petulance.
Posted by: pep at March 21, 2016 08:16 PM (LAe3v)
894
#882: The TPP, for one...
http://preview.tinyurl.com/zbw52mb
"In an April 21, 2015, op-ed in
The Wall Street Journal, Cruz and Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) urged
Congress to pass Trade promotion authority (TPA), which they argued
would hold the president accountable in future trade agreements,
including the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade deal."
http://preview.tinyurl.com/zbw52mb
"In an April 21, 2015, op-ed in
The Wall Street Journal, Cruz and Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) urged
Congress to pass Trade promotion authority (TPA), which they argued
would hold the president accountable in future trade agreements,
including the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade deal."
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at March 21, 2016 08:18 PM (0OG8D)
895
re this sidebar
"Fox Poll in Arizona: Trump Winning with 46%, Cruz 33%
Loathsome Human Worm John Kasich Performing His Spoiler Duties for Trump, Pulling in 17%, Just As He Intends"
Question: Given that all polls so far show that Kasich has a better (the only) chance of beating the witch why doesn't Cruz be the one to drop out?
Question: In the unlikely event that Kasich becomes the nominee will Ace, et al rally behind him in the general election to defeat the forces of evil?
In the last 2 elections many Republicans stayed home because the candidate wasn't "conservative" enuf. How's that working out?
"Fox Poll in Arizona: Trump Winning with 46%, Cruz 33%
Loathsome Human Worm John Kasich Performing His Spoiler Duties for Trump, Pulling in 17%, Just As He Intends"
Question: Given that all polls so far show that Kasich has a better (the only) chance of beating the witch why doesn't Cruz be the one to drop out?
Question: In the unlikely event that Kasich becomes the nominee will Ace, et al rally behind him in the general election to defeat the forces of evil?
In the last 2 elections many Republicans stayed home because the candidate wasn't "conservative" enuf. How's that working out?
Posted by: Tattaglia in Miami at March 21, 2016 08:18 PM (zmZ2x)
896
You know, I remember the "polls are bullshit" talk leading up to the 2012 general election. Lots of folks convinced they were skewed and that there was going to be a big win for Mitt Romney.
I also remember how that one turned out.
I also remember how that one turned out.
Posted by: SparcVark at March 21, 2016 08:21 PM (YLLI8)
897
Thanks for your permission. At least I can defend my guy without resorting to petulance.
Posted by: pep at March 21, 2016 08:16 PM (LAe3v)
So you call Trump supporters people with daddy issues, assert Trump lies and has no principles or consistency, and you find my conclusion that you've already made up your mind to be petulance?
"It's not fair if you punch back!"
I take back my permission, you are not mature enough to make your own choices. Vote Trump.
Posted by: pep at March 21, 2016 08:16 PM (LAe3v)
So you call Trump supporters people with daddy issues, assert Trump lies and has no principles or consistency, and you find my conclusion that you've already made up your mind to be petulance?
"It's not fair if you punch back!"
I take back my permission, you are not mature enough to make your own choices. Vote Trump.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 08:21 PM (uURQL)
898
"First, Trump and his wave is a challenge to the GOPe. They're forced to either let his issues have a seat at the table, or kick Trump out and unmask their true colors. "
That's a great plan, Reactionary. Did you get that one from the Underpants Gnomes?
Step 2: ????
That's a great plan, Reactionary. Did you get that one from the Underpants Gnomes?
Step 2: ????
Posted by: DriveBy at March 21, 2016 08:22 PM (C9Vc8)
899
I enjoyed listening to Trump defend his supporters to George Snuffleupagos on Sunday.
It would have been very convenient for him to denounce it all as "unfortunate" and promise to let agitators scream obscenities in the face of women and children in the future.
Here in my corner of Moron-Town we live by the mantra "don't start no shit, won't be no shit". Frankly, he's right, you ask for it, don't whine when you get it.
It would have been very convenient for him to denounce it all as "unfortunate" and promise to let agitators scream obscenities in the face of women and children in the future.
Here in my corner of Moron-Town we live by the mantra "don't start no shit, won't be no shit". Frankly, he's right, you ask for it, don't whine when you get it.
Posted by: Malcolm Tent at March 21, 2016 08:23 PM (pmLAk)
900
Okay I'm just going to ask this so we can get some folks on record. If Cruz is the nominee, how many of you would a) vote for him and b) campaign on his behalf?
Posted by: flashoverride at March 21, 2016 07:23 PM (iQr1
I would vote for any Republican, even Kasich, even Rubio, rather than Hillary. BTW my mom, who's Cuban and hates Cruz, thinks Kasich "seems nice." LOL.
Posted by: flashoverride at March 21, 2016 07:23 PM (iQr1
I would vote for any Republican, even Kasich, even Rubio, rather than Hillary. BTW my mom, who's Cuban and hates Cruz, thinks Kasich "seems nice." LOL.
Posted by: Soulpatchtony at March 21, 2016 08:31 PM (m40v5)
901
Continued from #894: After writing that editorial in favor of TPA/TPP/TPwhatever, and then voting in favor of it, Cruz turned around and said on the Senate floor that he'd only done so because Mitch McConnell had lied to him about another, unrelated bill (the Ex-Im Bank).
There was the usual harrumphing from various GOPe stalwarts, including Orrin Hatch, who promised that Cruz would be punished for this egregious breach of Senate protocol.
Not only was Cruz NOT punished in any way, but... do you know which GOPe stalwart rather suspiciously had NOTHING to say about Cruz calling Mitch McConnell a liar like that? Mitch McConnell.
This leads me to believe that Cruz and McConnell worked it all out beforehand. Note that McConnell was not present during Cruz's speech about McConnell lying to him.
McConnell, in exchange for not being called a liar to his face, must've then quietly contacted Hatch and told him to let it go.
There was the usual harrumphing from various GOPe stalwarts, including Orrin Hatch, who promised that Cruz would be punished for this egregious breach of Senate protocol.
Not only was Cruz NOT punished in any way, but... do you know which GOPe stalwart rather suspiciously had NOTHING to say about Cruz calling Mitch McConnell a liar like that? Mitch McConnell.
This leads me to believe that Cruz and McConnell worked it all out beforehand. Note that McConnell was not present during Cruz's speech about McConnell lying to him.
McConnell, in exchange for not being called a liar to his face, must've then quietly contacted Hatch and told him to let it go.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at March 21, 2016 08:36 PM (0OG8D)
902
Knowing that you're going to lose, and that therefore there are no nagging pragmatic reasons to compromise yourself, is very freeing.
I think the important thing is to begin planning ahead, and planning on what we'd like the conservative movement to look like during the Hillary Rodham presidency
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Ace,
This makes teardrops roll down my cheeks. I can't believe what a mess this has all turned into.
Knowing that you're going to lose, and that therefore there are no nagging pragmatic reasons to compromise yourself, is very freeing.
I think the important thing is to begin planning ahead, and planning on what we'd like the conservative movement to look like during the Hillary Rodham presidency
**********************
Ace,
This makes teardrops roll down my cheeks. I can't believe what a mess this has all turned into.
Posted by: redridinghood at March 21, 2016 08:37 PM (7GQM/)
903
I guess. Then again the whole "most hated man in Congress" thing must just be a big switcheroo
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 08:37 PM (R5HRU)
904
sure. all the polls are wrong. they're all faked by people who don't like Trump.
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Right, because those polls are set in stone.
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Right, because those polls are set in stone.
Posted by: Community Organizer at March 21, 2016 08:39 PM (Bjvsz)
905
903 I guess. Then again the whole "most hated man in Congress" thing must just be a big switcheroo
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 08:37 PM (R5HRU)
Wheels within wheels.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 08:37 PM (R5HRU)
Wheels within wheels.
Posted by: chique d'afrique at March 21, 2016 08:41 PM (ZKlDy)
906
I would vote for any Republican, even Kasich, even Rubio, rather than Hillary. BTW my mom, who's Cuban and hates Cruz, thinks Kasich "seems nice." LOL.
Posted by: Soulpatchtony at March 21, 2016 08:31 PM (m40v5)
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Would your mom vote for Cruz in the general?
Posted by: Soulpatchtony at March 21, 2016 08:31 PM (m40v5)
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Would your mom vote for Cruz in the general?
Posted by: redridinghood at March 21, 2016 08:42 PM (7GQM/)
907
#903: I can believe that Cruz is not well-liked among the GOPe, but the GOPe is a pretty big group, and you can't expect everyone in that group to like everyone else in the group.
I think Cruz just does more than what the rest of the GOPe considers to be "his fair share" of grandstanding, and that's the reason they don't like him.
But we're seeing right now that they will support him, if the only real alternative is Trump.
I think Cruz just does more than what the rest of the GOPe considers to be "his fair share" of grandstanding, and that's the reason they don't like him.
But we're seeing right now that they will support him, if the only real alternative is Trump.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at March 21, 2016 08:43 PM (0OG8D)
908
Just because the GOPe "supports" him doesn't necessarily mean they like him. They just like him as an alternative to Trump, who has donated to Democrats quite a bit.
Again it doesn't disqualify him, but we can do this shit all day.
Again it doesn't disqualify him, but we can do this shit all day.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 08:45 PM (R5HRU)
909
>And those very people can't understand why we won't give up our principles and get on the Trump train.
I have a hard time supporting a candidate who stole votes from Ben Carson in Iowa and blamed a BLM riot in Chicago on Trump. How can a man who's all about the Constitution fail to be outraged at the abridgment of Trump's first adornment rights?
Think of Trump what you will, but Cruz was dead to me the moment he put the pursuit of power over free speech.
I have a hard time supporting a candidate who stole votes from Ben Carson in Iowa and blamed a BLM riot in Chicago on Trump. How can a man who's all about the Constitution fail to be outraged at the abridgment of Trump's first adornment rights?
Think of Trump what you will, but Cruz was dead to me the moment he put the pursuit of power over free speech.
Posted by: BomberCommand at March 21, 2016 08:46 PM (7us0J)
910
He didn't blame Trump. From what I remember he said Trumps rhetoric isn't helpful but the it's the protesters who caused the violence.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 08:47 PM (R5HRU)
911
Would your mom vote for Cruz in the general?
Posted by: redridinghood at March 21, 2016 08:42 PM (7GQM/)
iffy, but doesn't really matter - we are in California, which will never ever vote Cruz in any way shape or form (though I do see it potentially voting Trump for many odd reasons).
Posted by: redridinghood at March 21, 2016 08:42 PM (7GQM/)
iffy, but doesn't really matter - we are in California, which will never ever vote Cruz in any way shape or form (though I do see it potentially voting Trump for many odd reasons).
Posted by: Soulpatchtony at March 21, 2016 08:49 PM (m40v5)
912
Ace two points:
1- What can Trump "lose" for us that we already have? Presidency? Nope? The Senate? Nope - oh we control in name only, we know Harry "Pedo" Reid runs it. SCOTUS? Oh no, whatever will we do without rock ribbed conservative picks like John Roberts???
2- I think it's both adorable and laughable that you think Trump is less electable than Cruz. He's a bible-thumping, social security cutting, anti-abortion warmongering heartless conservative that only cares about big business - that's what the MSM will have the narrative about him be by the time they're through with him. In other words, the standard Republican boogeyman. (Heck, Romney was a fundamentally decent man and look what they did to HIM). The narrative around Trump will be decidedly different that's for sure. I'll take my chances with different as opposed to the same old.
Bonus point- Cruz won't fight Hillary and her legion of scum surrogates nearly as hard as Trump will.
1- What can Trump "lose" for us that we already have? Presidency? Nope? The Senate? Nope - oh we control in name only, we know Harry "Pedo" Reid runs it. SCOTUS? Oh no, whatever will we do without rock ribbed conservative picks like John Roberts???
2- I think it's both adorable and laughable that you think Trump is less electable than Cruz. He's a bible-thumping, social security cutting, anti-abortion warmongering heartless conservative that only cares about big business - that's what the MSM will have the narrative about him be by the time they're through with him. In other words, the standard Republican boogeyman. (Heck, Romney was a fundamentally decent man and look what they did to HIM). The narrative around Trump will be decidedly different that's for sure. I'll take my chances with different as opposed to the same old.
Bonus point- Cruz won't fight Hillary and her legion of scum surrogates nearly as hard as Trump will.
Posted by: Tradd at March 21, 2016 08:50 PM (EQcBC)
913
I would vote for Cruz in the general, although I have serious doubts about him. I have serious doubts about Trump, too.
But my days of voting for whoever the R's put up are over. If the nominee is someone like Jeb, Rubio, or Kasich, I'll write in my cat's name.
But my days of voting for whoever the R's put up are over. If the nominee is someone like Jeb, Rubio, or Kasich, I'll write in my cat's name.
Posted by: rickl at March 21, 2016 08:52 PM (sdi6R)
914
#908: We seem to be somewhat in agreement, here. The GOPe does not like Cruz, but is reluctantly supporting him right now.
He's done enough to push their agenda to convince me that he is indeed one of them; they don't have to LIKE him just because he's one of them.
I think you're attaching more weight to their personal dislike of Cruz than it actually merits.
He's done enough to push their agenda to convince me that he is indeed one of them; they don't have to LIKE him just because he's one of them.
I think you're attaching more weight to their personal dislike of Cruz than it actually merits.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at March 21, 2016 08:54 PM (0OG8D)
915
Again I don't understand how you can say Cruz pushes their agenda when nobody and I mean NOBODY was supporting him in the early processes. The were all in on Jeb and Rubio which shows me despite the fact Cruz was more popular then all of them they really really really don't want him.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 08:58 PM (R5HRU)
916
Continued from #914: Seriously, do you actually LIKE every single Republican out there?
I'm a Republican, and I don't like Karl Rove or John Kasich.
I'm also a Trump supporter, and I don't like David Duke or Louis Farrakhan, who are also Trump supporters. Also, I'm pretty sure Duke and Farrakhan don't like each other much, either.
I'm a Republican, and I don't like Karl Rove or John Kasich.
I'm also a Trump supporter, and I don't like David Duke or Louis Farrakhan, who are also Trump supporters. Also, I'm pretty sure Duke and Farrakhan don't like each other much, either.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at March 21, 2016 08:59 PM (0OG8D)
917
Dear Ace
Where did you put all that Burn it Down, Scatter and Salt BS ?
Here is your chance to die on the hill and your own little feat.
Where did you put all that Burn it Down, Scatter and Salt BS ?
Here is your chance to die on the hill and your own little feat.
Posted by: TM at March 21, 2016 08:59 PM (hforh)
918
908: We seem to be somewhat in agreement, here. The GOPe does not like Cruz, but is reluctantly supporting him right now.
He's done enough to push their agenda to convince me that he is indeed one of them; they don't have to LIKE him just because he's one of them.
I think you're attaching more weight to their personal dislike of Cruz than it actually merits.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at March 21, 2016 08:54 PM (0OG8D)
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Please-The Establishment Does Not Like Him. They are having to hold their nose and support him... barely.
He's done enough to push their agenda to convince me that he is indeed one of them; they don't have to LIKE him just because he's one of them.
I think you're attaching more weight to their personal dislike of Cruz than it actually merits.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at March 21, 2016 08:54 PM (0OG8D)
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Please-The Establishment Does Not Like Him. They are having to hold their nose and support him... barely.
Posted by: redridinghood at March 21, 2016 09:00 PM (7GQM/)
919
Warbler, I actually started as a Cruz supporter but the waffle on TPP softened that position only because it revealed him to be the craven opportunist that was claimed. When Cruz sided with BLM, MoveOn, and the communists to deny Trump a platform, I knew there was no way in hell I would vote for him in the primary.
I can see Trump losing or winning in a blow-out. It will go either way and anyone claiming to know the outcome is pulling it out of their ass. Cruz most likely cannot win. His performance among his purported peeps has been dismal. I would vote for Cruz if he were nominated as I'm not a Hillary Enabler from True Conservatism, Inc. It would be a joyless vote. A vote for Trump will be joyous, with an asterisk.
*Speaking of asterisks, Trump has added some hard-assed surrogates from the Sessions section of the GOP. One just kicked neo-con Marc Thiessen's ass up between his ears. It was objectively brutal. I didn't catch the dude's name and he likely never will be on Fox again. Joyful, there.
I can see Trump losing or winning in a blow-out. It will go either way and anyone claiming to know the outcome is pulling it out of their ass. Cruz most likely cannot win. His performance among his purported peeps has been dismal. I would vote for Cruz if he were nominated as I'm not a Hillary Enabler from True Conservatism, Inc. It would be a joyless vote. A vote for Trump will be joyous, with an asterisk.
*Speaking of asterisks, Trump has added some hard-assed surrogates from the Sessions section of the GOP. One just kicked neo-con Marc Thiessen's ass up between his ears. It was objectively brutal. I didn't catch the dude's name and he likely never will be on Fox again. Joyful, there.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at March 21, 2016 09:02 PM (yvV6Q)
920
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at March 21, 2016 08:59 PM (0OG8D)
I'm assuming this is directed at me. No I don't like every R, in fact I dislike a lot.
You think Cruz is secretly in cahoots with the GOP because he got super duper late endorsements from GOPe types.
I don't. All good though man, you have a great night.
I'm assuming this is directed at me. No I don't like every R, in fact I dislike a lot.
You think Cruz is secretly in cahoots with the GOP because he got super duper late endorsements from GOPe types.
I don't. All good though man, you have a great night.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 09:03 PM (R5HRU)
921
#918: You're not disagreeing with me, as far as I can see.
Just like you and I disliked McCain and Romney, and held our noses and voted for them because the alternative was Obama, so, too, do the GOPers hold their noses and support Cruz in the primaries this year, because the alternative is Trump (whom they dislike more than even Hillary).
Just like you and I disliked McCain and Romney, and held our noses and voted for them because the alternative was Obama, so, too, do the GOPers hold their noses and support Cruz in the primaries this year, because the alternative is Trump (whom they dislike more than even Hillary).
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at March 21, 2016 09:05 PM (0OG8D)
922
Fearless leader is losing his shit. TARP.
Posted by: nip at March 21, 2016 09:10 PM (6P6eN)
923
#920: No, I think Cruz is in cahoots with the GOPe for reasons going back much earlier than the past few weeks. For example, his editorial co-written with Paul Ryan in praise of the TPA ran in the WSJ last April.
It took me looking back with 20/20 hindsight to notice these things, but I've seen them, and now I wouldn't trust Cruz as far as I could throw him.
Have a great night, yourself! We're opponents, not enemies.
It took me looking back with 20/20 hindsight to notice these things, but I've seen them, and now I wouldn't trust Cruz as far as I could throw him.
Have a great night, yourself! We're opponents, not enemies.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at March 21, 2016 09:14 PM (0OG8D)
924
The obsession with Lyin' Ted & Megyn Kelly reminds me of a little kid throwing a temper tantrum. I don't understand how the Trump defenders can't see the pettiness and how much it's a turn-off.
He just seems like too much of a control freak. I type this and will still vote for him over Hillary, but only because of SCOTUS.
I don't want to lose the House and the Senate either.
He just seems like too much of a control freak. I type this and will still vote for him over Hillary, but only because of SCOTUS.
I don't want to lose the House and the Senate either.
Posted by: redridinghood at March 21, 2016 09:14 PM (7GQM/)
925
Ace may be worried that Trump might not be trusted with the Football, but i KNOW that Shrillery shouldn't be allowed anywhere near any of the levers of power, let alone that.
Posted by: redc1c4 at March 21, 2016 09:19 PM (5wiY1)
926
I'm assuming this is directed at me. No I don't like every R, in fact I dislike a lot.
You think Cruz is secretly in cahoots with the GOP because he got super duper late endorsements from GOPe types.
I don't. All good though man, you have a great night.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 09:03 PM (R5HRU)
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I don't like every R, but there are not any D's I like either. I vote for the most conservative candidate.
Trump is Dem. lite. Probably more conservative than Hillary. He just has a lot of issues that concern me.
You think Cruz is secretly in cahoots with the GOP because he got super duper late endorsements from GOPe types.
I don't. All good though man, you have a great night.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 09:03 PM (R5HRU)
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I don't like every R, but there are not any D's I like either. I vote for the most conservative candidate.
Trump is Dem. lite. Probably more conservative than Hillary. He just has a lot of issues that concern me.
Posted by: redridinghood at March 21, 2016 09:20 PM (7GQM/)
927
#924: I think Trump is a nicer person deep down than his public persona would indicate.
Look at his grown-up children, for example. Ivanka, Eric, and Don Jr. None of them have been arrested, or been caught on tape making racist rants, or checked into rehab. They're all classy and good-natured people. True assholes don't consistently raise children who turn out so well, and Trump is three-for-three on that measure.
Also... look at the states Trump has already won in the primaries. The states where he's done the best so far are the states where he does a lot of business. He has golf courses in SC, casinos in NV, and resorts in FL. Compare this record to the Coors family in CO; every few years, a member of the Coors family runs for Congress, and they always lose, because the Coors family and their brewery are not well-regarded here.
Look at his grown-up children, for example. Ivanka, Eric, and Don Jr. None of them have been arrested, or been caught on tape making racist rants, or checked into rehab. They're all classy and good-natured people. True assholes don't consistently raise children who turn out so well, and Trump is three-for-three on that measure.
Also... look at the states Trump has already won in the primaries. The states where he's done the best so far are the states where he does a lot of business. He has golf courses in SC, casinos in NV, and resorts in FL. Compare this record to the Coors family in CO; every few years, a member of the Coors family runs for Congress, and they always lose, because the Coors family and their brewery are not well-regarded here.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at March 21, 2016 09:28 PM (0OG8D)
928
#873 I know you think all those things are true about Cruz and you are wrong. Trump has more connections in the DEMe and GOPe than Cruz has after his time in Washington. But just keep thinking that, just remember this election matters more than any in recent memory.
Posted by: Whippet at March 21, 2016 09:29 PM (YwQCs)
929
#900
The Cubans I know used to be Rubio until the gang of 8, now they are all Cruz.
And yes I've already voted Cruz, given money and would campaign for him.
The Cubans I know used to be Rubio until the gang of 8, now they are all Cruz.
And yes I've already voted Cruz, given money and would campaign for him.
Posted by: Whippet at March 21, 2016 09:33 PM (YwQCs)
930
"When does the shooting part start?
Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2016 05:48 PM (e3bId)"
About 30 days after Hillary takes the oath. I'm not worried about what kind of conservative movement we'll have left --- I'm worried about if we'll have a country.
Posted by: Weasel at March 21, 2016 05:48 PM (e3bId)"
About 30 days after Hillary takes the oath. I'm not worried about what kind of conservative movement we'll have left --- I'm worried about if we'll have a country.
Posted by: SDN at March 21, 2016 09:34 PM (rtVNx)
931
#928: I've taken that into account. Yes, Trump WAS establishment, but he isn't anymore. He parted ways with the Uniparty establishment four years ago, when he went after the murky circumstances surrounding Obama's birth.
That's just not the sort of thing "establishment" types do.
That's just not the sort of thing "establishment" types do.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at March 21, 2016 09:36 PM (0OG8D)
932
"Ok--the people promoting, even thinking : "Hey, let's blacklist anyone"who helped and was as instrumental in securing Republican majorities in the House, Senate and State houses, and then was backstabbed and lied about and to --Sarah Palin--who DID serve well, cut spending, improved credit ratings, put corrupt of both parties in jail and out of business, honors life and veterans ...deserves Trump as a candidate..You reap what you sow..
Wow--Trump became a success while being an uncouth--adulterer--used the system..blah blah blah
What in the world has changed that Trump is worse than the obscene Clinton gang--proven to be everything and more horrid, in fact; than DJT-used every single person and government agency to enrich themselves and their donors--DID sell out to foreign governments (as many believe Obamaist's and media have) and used our tax $$ to make "the few" rich and powerful and corrupt government bureaucracies and agencies...but ...but...but Trump is the boogie man?
Please, the Romney-Bush..and their concubines Cruz, Kasich, Rubio are no different than Hillary. They are for the donors. The *hire cheap labor--worry about open borders--is for the peasants mind think.
The I know better ivory tower that encompasses Washington DC.
Maybe, if you've been abandoned and demeaned for expecting honesty and accountability long enough, you have to dissent from just going along and giving in..to improve your life..
Be responsible for your future with your vote and never believe a poll is your friend, but an agenda!
Wow--Trump became a success while being an uncouth--adulterer--used the system..blah blah blah
What in the world has changed that Trump is worse than the obscene Clinton gang--proven to be everything and more horrid, in fact; than DJT-used every single person and government agency to enrich themselves and their donors--DID sell out to foreign governments (as many believe Obamaist's and media have) and used our tax $$ to make "the few" rich and powerful and corrupt government bureaucracies and agencies...but ...but...but Trump is the boogie man?
Please, the Romney-Bush..and their concubines Cruz, Kasich, Rubio are no different than Hillary. They are for the donors. The *hire cheap labor--worry about open borders--is for the peasants mind think.
The I know better ivory tower that encompasses Washington DC.
Maybe, if you've been abandoned and demeaned for expecting honesty and accountability long enough, you have to dissent from just going along and giving in..to improve your life..
Be responsible for your future with your vote and never believe a poll is your friend, but an agenda!
Posted by: palinbeatsturdblossom at March 21, 2016 09:37 PM (/qiij)
933
Unless, by some miracle, polls show that he has some kind of reasonable chance to win the election -- which I doubt in the extreme; and also, I'm still not sure I could support him even if he wasn't going to drag the movement into the dumpster fire with him.
Funny that. I am convinced in the extreme that Trump is going to win the whole enchilada in a cakewalk. And, it looks like you have consigned yourself to the status of a voyeur in life, on the outside looking in, because Trump is going to be fantastic.
Funny that. I am convinced in the extreme that Trump is going to win the whole enchilada in a cakewalk. And, it looks like you have consigned yourself to the status of a voyeur in life, on the outside looking in, because Trump is going to be fantastic.
Posted by: Random Thought Generator at March 21, 2016 09:38 PM (gYfnZ)
934
#924
"His kids haven't been arrested, or been caught on tape making racist rants or checked into rehab." If those are the standards Hillary must look pretty good too?
However, they aren't running for President but their childish, thin-skinned, name calling, lying, serial philandering, supporter of the worst congressmen/ women on the planet father is. Where again is he a nice guy?
"His kids haven't been arrested, or been caught on tape making racist rants or checked into rehab." If those are the standards Hillary must look pretty good too?
However, they aren't running for President but their childish, thin-skinned, name calling, lying, serial philandering, supporter of the worst congressmen/ women on the planet father is. Where again is he a nice guy?
Posted by: Whippet at March 21, 2016 09:40 PM (YwQCs)
935
#934: 3/3 is a more reliable indicator than 1/1.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at March 21, 2016 09:42 PM (0OG8D)
936
Name a Kennedy who has a better track record of raising children than Trump does.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at March 21, 2016 09:44 PM (0OG8D)
937
#931
Not much of an endorsement. The birthers I've run into aren't exactly of the completely sane variety. And 4 years ago doesn't exactly establish why he didn't feel that way when Obama was originally running for office in 2008 when questioning that may have mattered. I'd say Trump doesn't believe half of what he says but he knows how to sell himself. Whatever works for him is all that matters. The fact is no one knows exactly what he believes since he changes most everything depending on the moment. That or he's insane and neither is a person I want in the Presidency.
Not much of an endorsement. The birthers I've run into aren't exactly of the completely sane variety. And 4 years ago doesn't exactly establish why he didn't feel that way when Obama was originally running for office in 2008 when questioning that may have mattered. I'd say Trump doesn't believe half of what he says but he knows how to sell himself. Whatever works for him is all that matters. The fact is no one knows exactly what he believes since he changes most everything depending on the moment. That or he's insane and neither is a person I want in the Presidency.
Posted by: Whippet at March 21, 2016 09:47 PM (YwQCs)
938
>910 He didn't blame Trump. From what I remember he said Trumps rhetoric isn't helpful but the it's the protesters who caused the violence.
Cruz says, When the candidate urges supporters to engage in physical violence, to punch people in the face, the predictable consequence of that is that is escalates. Today is unlikely to be the last such incidence.
Cruz says, When the candidate urges supporters to engage in physical violence, to punch people in the face, the predictable consequence of that is that is escalates. Today is unlikely to be the last such incidence.
Posted by: BomberCommand at March 21, 2016 09:50 PM (7us0J)
939
Well, if your belief is that if Trump beats Hillary, we actually lose, then there is nothing to say other than it is pretty obvious that the Uniparty has control of the so-called conservative bloggers. Welcome to the democrat party, Ace.
Let me tell you this, if Trump has 1237 delegates and the GOPe manages to control his delegates and change the convention rules to not seat some of those so he can't win on the first ballot - I am all for having half of the GOP party vote for the democrats all up and down the ticket and destroy the GOPe for good.
Heck, I would be all for a bloody militaristic coup that results in the death of anyone associated with the GOPe - it would be that serious of a threat to our republic that revolution would be necessary.
Let me tell you this, if Trump has 1237 delegates and the GOPe manages to control his delegates and change the convention rules to not seat some of those so he can't win on the first ballot - I am all for having half of the GOP party vote for the democrats all up and down the ticket and destroy the GOPe for good.
Heck, I would be all for a bloody militaristic coup that results in the death of anyone associated with the GOPe - it would be that serious of a threat to our republic that revolution would be necessary.
Posted by: doug at March 21, 2016 09:51 PM (QoQ8X)
940
# 936
Again, not much of a measure that he has good children. So do I but I don't think that qualifies me to run for President. Certainly a positive but not necessarily a measure of the man. They did have mothers too. I imagine they did most of the raising.
Again, not much of a measure that he has good children. So do I but I don't think that qualifies me to run for President. Certainly a positive but not necessarily a measure of the man. They did have mothers too. I imagine they did most of the raising.
Posted by: Whippet at March 21, 2016 09:52 PM (YwQCs)
941
#937: So, he became more aware of the full scope of how we get hoodwinked year after year sometime between 2008 and 2012. I don't see how this reflects poorly on him today.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at March 21, 2016 09:54 PM (0OG8D)
942
#932
He's better than the disgusting Clinton family so we should go for Trump. I'll use Reagan as my standard bearer, you can use the Clintons.
Cruz is like the Clintons? Thats so ludicrous it's hysterical!
He's better than the disgusting Clinton family so we should go for Trump. I'll use Reagan as my standard bearer, you can use the Clintons.
Cruz is like the Clintons? Thats so ludicrous it's hysterical!
Posted by: Whippet at March 21, 2016 10:01 PM (YwQCs)
943
I gave money to the Romney campaign in 2012. I really didn't think he'd roll over and show his belly to Obama the way he did. I'd sure like to have that $250 back now; I'd rather blow it all on Powerball tickets than give it to whatever dogshit candidate the #NeverTrump GOPe ends up foisting on us this year.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at March 21, 2016 10:03 PM (0OG8D)
944
This blacklist isn't about the so-called establishment and neither is the NeverTrump movement. In a recent national poll 30% of Republicans said they would never vote for Trump in the general election. That equates to millions of grassroots American conservatives that are anti-Trump at all costs. We want to boycott those in the media like Hannity, Breitbart, and many others who have completely sold out conservative principles in order to become Trump's biggest cheerleaders. We also want to boycott politicians who sell out and support Truml by not voting for them at the polls whenever they come up for re-election. We are millions of everyday conservative Americans who could care less what the establishing says or does in regards to being anti-trump. As a matter of fact we want the establishment to fight him and would be mad as hell if they just folded and did nothing. Trump and his supporters act as if they are in the majority but the fact is that Trump has only garnered about 35% of the popular vote in all of the primaries to date. And at least 10% of those votes came from Democrats and independents. 65% of voters in GOP primaries didn't vote for Trump. In recent national head to head polls that looked at a hypothetical two man race of Trump vs. Cruz and Trump vs. Rubio, both Rubio and Cruz beat Trump by double digits. So the majority of Republicans do not support Trump and 30% hate him so much they won't vote for him in the general election even against Hilllary. In that poll, about a third of the 30% said they would vote for a 3rd party, a third said they wouldn't vote at all, and a third said they would vote for Clinton over Trump. So there are millions of grassroots conservatives that want this blacklist so we can know who to boycott and who to not support in future elections. This is how it's done in a free country. The people can voice their disapproval with politicians at the ballot box and by not watching, reading, and listening to those in the media that we want to send a signal to. Godforbid that us in the 65% majority of Republicans don't fall in line with Trump and his 35% minority of Trump supporters. Sorry but you are in the minority not the majority so live with it.
Posted by: Eric at March 21, 2016 10:33 PM (AVfVJ)
945
More voters say never cruz than never trump.
Ace gets his gope marching orders. He doesn't trust trump with the bomb. Lol.
Remember, ace never "really" supported cruz.
It's all a charade. Ace has been exposed.
Ace gets his gope marching orders. He doesn't trust trump with the bomb. Lol.
Remember, ace never "really" supported cruz.
It's all a charade. Ace has been exposed.
Posted by: Prescient20 at March 21, 2016 10:37 PM (BfxxB)
946
Just thought I'd come over here and see what a bunch of panty-wearing hand-wringers had to say. You do not disappoint, Ace. From a once-proud conservative bastion to a bunch of vapor-locking, white-knuckle frotzing nancies with their noses and lips firmly pressed to the rectums of their GOPe Overlords.
Soldier on, Ace. Give my regards to Charles Johnson.
~The War Planner
Soldier on, Ace. Give my regards to Charles Johnson.
~The War Planner
Posted by: The War Planner at March 21, 2016 10:39 PM (BCIs3)
Posted by: Prescient20 at March 21, 2016 10:43 PM (BfxxB)
948
Ace says: Yes, Trump would be a disaster for the party ...
?!!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!?!?!?!???
THE PARTY IS A DISASTER,
and it is making a disaster of the United States.
I idiot Democrats will be with us always.
We need to establish a party that will REPLACE the GOP, not to preserve the pile of horseshit that is the Republican Party.
Trump will destroy the remnants of the treasonous Republicans
?!!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!?!?!?!???
THE PARTY IS A DISASTER,
and it is making a disaster of the United States.
I idiot Democrats will be with us always.
We need to establish a party that will REPLACE the GOP, not to preserve the pile of horseshit that is the Republican Party.
Trump will destroy the remnants of the treasonous Republicans
Posted by: Pastorius at March 21, 2016 10:45 PM (gMAUH)
949
Btw, as hot air is now dead. Check out Hot Gas.net
Great writing. No bitchy whining as infects this joint.
Great writing. No bitchy whining as infects this joint.
Posted by: Prescient20 at March 21, 2016 10:46 PM (BfxxB)
950
#944: If 2/3 of GOP voters are indeed on Team #NeverTrump, then let's let the primaries decide that. It's ultimately a two-man race at this point; while Kasich is still technically a factor, he's only pulling about 17% nationwide. That's not enough to keep Cruz from winning if 2/3 of Republicans are indeed on Team #NeverTrump, right?
With Kasich pulling 17%, Cruz should be winning 50-33 over Trump everywhere if you're right, shouldn't he?
With Kasich pulling 17%, Cruz should be winning 50-33 over Trump everywhere if you're right, shouldn't he?
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at March 21, 2016 10:48 PM (0OG8D)
951
Ace: Please stop. DT is not the cartoon character you are making him out to be. Check out an interview with David Letterman in the 80's with DT. Also his committee talk with congress re. the rehab of the UN building in New York. What do his employees say? Ever check the bio on his kids?
Hey I'm just a lurker but, frankly, not getting the hostility toward Trump.
Hey I'm just a lurker but, frankly, not getting the hostility toward Trump.
Posted by: rockisdead at March 21, 2016 10:49 PM (Di+KE)
952
Ace is like erick erickson, except we don't know where the money comes from.
But it's a safe bet it's the rotten gope.
Ace is deep cover gope. It's why this blog hasn't made sense for sometime. And why ace constantly lies about trump's positions and has been banning longtime commenters.
We see you ace. Enough of the lying.
But it's a safe bet it's the rotten gope.
Ace is deep cover gope. It's why this blog hasn't made sense for sometime. And why ace constantly lies about trump's positions and has been banning longtime commenters.
We see you ace. Enough of the lying.
Posted by: Prescient20 at March 21, 2016 10:54 PM (BfxxB)
Posted by: Siggy Freud at March 21, 2016 11:11 PM (aRUb8)
954
Hey I'm just a lurker but, frankly, not getting the hostility toward Trump.
Posted by: rockisdead at March 21, 2016 10:49 PM (Di+KE)
Donald Trump is quite obviously suffering from a mentally illness.
Why doesn't this bother you?
Posted by: rockisdead at March 21, 2016 10:49 PM (Di+KE)
Donald Trump is quite obviously suffering from a mentally illness.
Why doesn't this bother you?
Posted by: Siggy Freud at March 21, 2016 11:13 PM (aRUb8)
955
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13C56s6-dCw
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at March 21, 2016 11:16 PM (0OG8D)
956
Mitch McConnell's lawyer is funding/running a pro cruz/anti trump super pac.
So, who's the real outsider? Lol
So, who's the real outsider? Lol
Posted by: Prescient20 at March 21, 2016 11:19 PM (BfxxB)
957
Ah, the Trumpers front line is finally here. Teach us all how to bow to the magnificent Trump! Tell us how everyone who doesn't support the liberal Trump that we're all GOPe lackeys? That's gonna work!
I know Ron Paul is forever gone as a candidate which pains many of the most callous of newbie "Republican" voters, and then there's always the former "Dems" disillusioned with their former King Obama who figure their party is gone so let's take a ride on the liberal Trump train and push thei GOP party more to our liberal liking, and then there's the "I don't really care for Trump but he's our ends to burn it all down group." I can live with disillusioned Conservatives who have lost their way and actually believe Trump is the answer to our fractioned party. I can even live with moderate Republicans who feel that Trump's liberal side is better than the radical Hillary.
When the radicals settle in its just like watching animals at a zoo. Breitbart or "Consevative" Treehouse or Gateway Pundit are more their speed but they, as all the craziest, uninformed of the Trumpers come to call Ace GOPe.
Yep, they are the reason I will never vote for Trump.
I know Ron Paul is forever gone as a candidate which pains many of the most callous of newbie "Republican" voters, and then there's always the former "Dems" disillusioned with their former King Obama who figure their party is gone so let's take a ride on the liberal Trump train and push thei GOP party more to our liberal liking, and then there's the "I don't really care for Trump but he's our ends to burn it all down group." I can live with disillusioned Conservatives who have lost their way and actually believe Trump is the answer to our fractioned party. I can even live with moderate Republicans who feel that Trump's liberal side is better than the radical Hillary.
When the radicals settle in its just like watching animals at a zoo. Breitbart or "Consevative" Treehouse or Gateway Pundit are more their speed but they, as all the craziest, uninformed of the Trumpers come to call Ace GOPe.
Yep, they are the reason I will never vote for Trump.
Posted by: Whippet at March 21, 2016 11:20 PM (YwQCs)
Posted by: Whippet at March 21, 2016 11:23 PM (YwQCs)
959
No one cares about u whippet. Never saw u before.
No, this is about ace misleading the horde. I've been watching it for months now.
Reason ace is going bonkers antitrump? It's because trump can win and it scares the shit out of gope.
Ace figures he can influence enuf cruz voters, which are generally good people.
For all those who claim trump is liberal, whom did jeff sessions endorse again?
Drops mic.
No, this is about ace misleading the horde. I've been watching it for months now.
Reason ace is going bonkers antitrump? It's because trump can win and it scares the shit out of gope.
Ace figures he can influence enuf cruz voters, which are generally good people.
For all those who claim trump is liberal, whom did jeff sessions endorse again?
Drops mic.
Posted by: Prescient20 at March 21, 2016 11:32 PM (BfxxB)
960
Whippet, you seem to be an Ace fanatic.
I like Ace, but I certainly don't think he's always right.
There've been times I disagreed with Ace in the past, and later decided he was right, and I acknowledged it.
I really think Ace is wrong, wrong, wrong about Trump, though.
I like Ace, but I certainly don't think he's always right.
There've been times I disagreed with Ace in the past, and later decided he was right, and I acknowledged it.
I really think Ace is wrong, wrong, wrong about Trump, though.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Ask not for whom The Donald Trumps. at March 21, 2016 11:37 PM (0OG8D)
961
#960
I don't always agree totally with Ace but he makes his points clearly so most of the time he's right, right, right about No Trump though.
I wondered what it would feel like to be 13 again so i copied you.
#959
Aw, you hurt my widdle feelings honey. Now go back to bed your mommy is calling you. And you might want to check you nik. It's more important to understand what is actually going on in the real world rather than think that your intelligence can read the future. But it explains a lot about your comments.
I don't always agree totally with Ace but he makes his points clearly so most of the time he's right, right, right about No Trump though.
I wondered what it would feel like to be 13 again so i copied you.
#959
Aw, you hurt my widdle feelings honey. Now go back to bed your mommy is calling you. And you might want to check you nik. It's more important to understand what is actually going on in the real world rather than think that your intelligence can read the future. But it explains a lot about your comments.
Posted by: Whippet at March 22, 2016 12:02 AM (YwQCs)
962
Wow, Ace. You mirror my thoughts exactly. I once was enthused about the Trump phenomenon, convinced it (he) was a breath of fresh air, saying the things nobody would say. But now it seems the Republicans would rather throw us all in the fire with him rather than lose their cushy jobs. Whose side are they on, anyway? What a mess. And we started out with 17! highly qualified candidates compared with 2014's 2 (Romney and Gingrich). All for nothing.
Posted by: Either Or at March 22, 2016 12:02 AM (4sOU2)
963
I came over to the US that year to work during my summer break from university. Spent it in Asbury Park. Returned to Ireland completely convinced Reagan would win. Reality on the ground in no way matched the media message.
Posted by: An Poc ar Buile
This is what I'm seeing in Chicago.
Posted by: An Poc ar Buile
This is what I'm seeing in Chicago.
Posted by: Viking at March 22, 2016 12:07 AM (6y/kW)
964
"In the last 2 elections many Republicans stayed home because the candidate wasn't "conservative" enuf. How's that working out?"
Posted by: Tattaglia in Miami at March 21, 2016 08:18 PM (zmZ2x)
It appears that those powers that be in the GOP have almost come to the realization that they need to change their ways. Of course, if they fail to this go around, there will be a large revolt and they will no longer have any power.
Sadly, they are old dogs and it might take 3 elections for them to learn.
Posted by: Tattaglia in Miami at March 21, 2016 08:18 PM (zmZ2x)
It appears that those powers that be in the GOP have almost come to the realization that they need to change their ways. Of course, if they fail to this go around, there will be a large revolt and they will no longer have any power.
Sadly, they are old dogs and it might take 3 elections for them to learn.
Posted by: doug at March 22, 2016 12:43 AM (QoQ8X)
965
"I just don't trust him with the Bomb."
Good one, I think you've finally convinced me. Much better that Hillary have it.
On the other hand, Iran and Saudi Arabia will have it whenever they want it (along with rockets), and NK and Pakistan already have it. Plus Barack Hussein Obama has it. But Trump is where you draw the line. I'm back to unconvinced.
Trump/Cruz 2016.
Good one, I think you've finally convinced me. Much better that Hillary have it.
On the other hand, Iran and Saudi Arabia will have it whenever they want it (along with rockets), and NK and Pakistan already have it. Plus Barack Hussein Obama has it. But Trump is where you draw the line. I'm back to unconvinced.
Trump/Cruz 2016.
Posted by: Dirks strewn at March 22, 2016 01:00 AM (RSOJ9)
966
The only person I think it's Okay to do this to is Kasich. He's now helping hand the election to Trump and declares, if he doesn't screw things up as it is, he'll work with the establishment to disenfranchise 97% (Hell he may have less than 3%) of the people that voted in the Republican Primary.
Posted by: Rbastid at March 22, 2016 01:08 AM (XwTyM)
967
In 2010, 2012 and 2014, when there was a contested primary the establishment told the Tea Party that if the establishment candidate won the Tea Party had to back him, totally, no matter what. They also fought incredibly dirty (like, to save Thad Cochran by tarring his opponent as racist based on nothing).
OTOH, if the Tea Party candidate won, the establishment's position was that they MIGHT offer lukewarm support at best, but often sat it out and sometimes ran 3rd Party candidates to split the vote and kill the career of the Tea Party candidate. m Better to lose the election to the Democrats if it meant one less Tea Party candidate next time around.
OK, I get it. The infamous GOP Circular Firing Squad, as formalized in the 2008-12-16 debate formats, is no accident, the establishment really wants its candidates to kill each other off, as long as their guy is the last man standing. No matter how many good candidates are destroyed along the way.
This is deeply psychotic behavior, and I'm through. I would just barely consider voting for Trump, or Cruz if it appears he wins without compromising with the establishment. But from here on out, anything to do with the people who have been running the GOP is the kiss of death. I would never associate with such deviant personalities in my personal life, why would I trust them to run a government?
OTOH, if the Tea Party candidate won, the establishment's position was that they MIGHT offer lukewarm support at best, but often sat it out and sometimes ran 3rd Party candidates to split the vote and kill the career of the Tea Party candidate. m Better to lose the election to the Democrats if it meant one less Tea Party candidate next time around.
OK, I get it. The infamous GOP Circular Firing Squad, as formalized in the 2008-12-16 debate formats, is no accident, the establishment really wants its candidates to kill each other off, as long as their guy is the last man standing. No matter how many good candidates are destroyed along the way.
This is deeply psychotic behavior, and I'm through. I would just barely consider voting for Trump, or Cruz if it appears he wins without compromising with the establishment. But from here on out, anything to do with the people who have been running the GOP is the kiss of death. I would never associate with such deviant personalities in my personal life, why would I trust them to run a government?
Posted by: Mhj at March 22, 2016 01:11 AM (uKxRL)
968
I agree with Vic-we have no party @155:
It's an election year and the party has just doomed itself by generally agreeing with everything the Democrats believe in. This party is going to get creamed in the fall and the country will have to suffer with the Democrats in the White House (again). Having successfully proved its irrelevancy, the party will start splitting apart at the seams, and within a couple of years men of principle will refuse to go along anymore. They will be forced to form, not a third party, but a new party to replace the one they've abandoned. Within a few more years, the old party will dissolve and the two-party system will return to equilibrium as the new party will take over as the other party opposite the Democrats.
This is a prediction I've made since at least 2006, probably earlier. (I'll have to check my old blog archives.) But as we all know, those who fail to learn the lessons of the past are doomed to repeat them. And while BOTH of these stories are about the Republicans, the first time it happened they were the new party and the dying old party was the Whigs. Now they're the old party dying and conservatives, like the slavery abolitionists before them, will need to form a new party of emancipation, where the disenfranchised are finally respected as persons with rights to defend.
It's an election year and the party has just doomed itself by generally agreeing with everything the Democrats believe in. This party is going to get creamed in the fall and the country will have to suffer with the Democrats in the White House (again). Having successfully proved its irrelevancy, the party will start splitting apart at the seams, and within a couple of years men of principle will refuse to go along anymore. They will be forced to form, not a third party, but a new party to replace the one they've abandoned. Within a few more years, the old party will dissolve and the two-party system will return to equilibrium as the new party will take over as the other party opposite the Democrats.
This is a prediction I've made since at least 2006, probably earlier. (I'll have to check my old blog archives.) But as we all know, those who fail to learn the lessons of the past are doomed to repeat them. And while BOTH of these stories are about the Republicans, the first time it happened they were the new party and the dying old party was the Whigs. Now they're the old party dying and conservatives, like the slavery abolitionists before them, will need to form a new party of emancipation, where the disenfranchised are finally respected as persons with rights to defend.
Posted by: The Black Republican at March 22, 2016 01:22 AM (fTZhC)
969
You know Ace, it is a good thing you were not around during World War II. I imagine you saying the following:
The German Army is unstoppable!
Britain is doomed! They should come to terms with Hitler since there is no way they can't beat him!
Italy will overrun Greece in a few days! They can't win!
Germany will conquer Russia in a few weeks! Russia can't wage modern war!
Japan will invade the West Coast! We are defenseless after Pearl Harbor!
You can't launch B-25s from a carrier! It is impossible!
We can't produce that many airplanes in the US! You are crazy to think we could make even a fraction of that!
D-Day will be a disaster! You can't break through the Atlantic Wall! It is too tough! No way!
Yup Ace, thank God you were not around for that. We would have lost with people like you.
The German Army is unstoppable!
Britain is doomed! They should come to terms with Hitler since there is no way they can't beat him!
Italy will overrun Greece in a few days! They can't win!
Germany will conquer Russia in a few weeks! Russia can't wage modern war!
Japan will invade the West Coast! We are defenseless after Pearl Harbor!
You can't launch B-25s from a carrier! It is impossible!
We can't produce that many airplanes in the US! You are crazy to think we could make even a fraction of that!
D-Day will be a disaster! You can't break through the Atlantic Wall! It is too tough! No way!
Yup Ace, thank God you were not around for that. We would have lost with people like you.
Posted by: skilaki at March 22, 2016 01:43 AM (Tzv1u)
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oops! Should have said this:
Britain is doomed! They should come to terms with Hitler since there is no way they can beat him!
Along with the following:
Italy will overrun Greece in a few days! They (the Greeks) can't win!
Ah typing in the wee hours of the morning!
Britain is doomed! They should come to terms with Hitler since there is no way they can beat him!
Along with the following:
Italy will overrun Greece in a few days! They (the Greeks) can't win!
Ah typing in the wee hours of the morning!
Posted by: skilaki at March 22, 2016 01:46 AM (Tzv1u)
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Regardless of what happens, we need to remember who sold out the conservative movement by supporting this carnival barker and never take them seriously again.
I don't consider that "blacklisting" per se...it's recognizing them for what they are.
If Trump has done anything, he has unmasked the "conservatives" who are only interested in fleecing sheep...from GOPe politicians who prefer Trump to Cruz...all the way down to the pundits like Ingraham, Limbaugh, and the clowns on TrumpNews, fka FoxNews.
I don't consider that "blacklisting" per se...it's recognizing them for what they are.
If Trump has done anything, he has unmasked the "conservatives" who are only interested in fleecing sheep...from GOPe politicians who prefer Trump to Cruz...all the way down to the pundits like Ingraham, Limbaugh, and the clowns on TrumpNews, fka FoxNews.
Posted by: DRayRaven at March 22, 2016 04:54 AM (Qc2Pk)
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I understand Trump support - I think it's great what he's done to political correctness. I love watching it and I hope he continues to do it should he win the nomination. That being said - the crap I read here and on other places of Trump supporters trying to paint Cruz as GOPe... is pure horseshit. It's disgusting, might be some of the most pathetic attempts of politicking I've ever seen.
Now - with Trump and polls - he's not Reagan... he consistently has underperformed his polls in this race, he's going to have to get his ground game shit together because he's going to need every vote when he faces Hillary. It's not going to be a 5 or 6 person race, it's going to be one on one - and you can't skate by winning 35%. I'm hoping for a nice 15% bump when he announces in the first debate to Hillarys face that he will put Hillary behind bars.
Now - with Trump and polls - he's not Reagan... he consistently has underperformed his polls in this race, he's going to have to get his ground game shit together because he's going to need every vote when he faces Hillary. It's not going to be a 5 or 6 person race, it's going to be one on one - and you can't skate by winning 35%. I'm hoping for a nice 15% bump when he announces in the first debate to Hillarys face that he will put Hillary behind bars.
Posted by: Reality Man at March 22, 2016 06:32 AM (Ch0fq)
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Ooh ooh ooh panic panic panic...a non-professional politician who doesn't give a f@ck about the press might be elected...I might be irrelevant. The rest of my readers might figure out how f@cking useless I have always been...geez Ace seriously get a f@cking grip.
Posted by: Pierre at March 22, 2016 06:54 AM (YjA0N)
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<b>That being said - the crap I read here and on other places of Trump
supporters trying to paint Cruz as GOPe... is pure horseshit. It's
disgusting, might be some of the most pathetic attempts of politicking
I've ever seen.</b>
I mean what the f@ck whatever gives Trumpers that idea? Just because Cruz was responsible for vetting that notable constitutionalist John Roberts? Or was it that he led the fight to get that other noted constitutionalist GWB elected? Or that he was fighting hard to become a "Very Important Person" in that noted Anti Establishment Administration of GWB? Gosh so many examples to pick from why would anyone think that Cruz is just another Rubio in sheeps clothing.
These f@ckers will do anything, say anything to get into office...that goes triple for Mr All I Ever Want To Be Is Powerful...Cruz.
supporters trying to paint Cruz as GOPe... is pure horseshit. It's
disgusting, might be some of the most pathetic attempts of politicking
I've ever seen.</b>
I mean what the f@ck whatever gives Trumpers that idea? Just because Cruz was responsible for vetting that notable constitutionalist John Roberts? Or was it that he led the fight to get that other noted constitutionalist GWB elected? Or that he was fighting hard to become a "Very Important Person" in that noted Anti Establishment Administration of GWB? Gosh so many examples to pick from why would anyone think that Cruz is just another Rubio in sheeps clothing.
These f@ckers will do anything, say anything to get into office...that goes triple for Mr All I Ever Want To Be Is Powerful...Cruz.
Posted by: Pierre at March 22, 2016 06:58 AM (YjA0N)
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I decided yesterday to go to Trump's website and read his policy statements. Surprised myself by agreeing with much more than I disagreed with. (More than I had with McCain, and possibly more than with Romney, although on different things.)
Anyway, I'm no longer afraid to support him if he gets the nomination. (Although in our primary, I'm currently planning to vote for Cruz.)
I do think that the observation of a fixation on hand size and Megan Kelly is somewhat valid, but the fixation appears to me to be by the part of the anti-Trump Republicans more than by Trump or his supporters. I happened to be away when the "hand size" interaction occurred: heard much about it from the anti-Trumps, but zero from the pros-Trumps.
Complaints that Trump is rather vulgar are valid--although he doesn't reach LBJ levels by a long shot--but, as has been noted, politics is downstream from culture, and Trump connects with that culture better than the others have. (He connects better than Clinton does as well--to his advantage.) We deal with the culture we have in an election; it's between elections that we should work on changing it.
No matter who the Republican nominee is, he's going to be skewered and attack by Democrats and their media representatives. I think both Trump and Cruz are up to fighting back, with Trump having a bit of an edge.
Anyway, I've less gloom over Trump than I did over McCain. I hope that as things develop and you observe more, we can unite in supporting whoever is the nominee.
Anyway, I'm no longer afraid to support him if he gets the nomination. (Although in our primary, I'm currently planning to vote for Cruz.)
I do think that the observation of a fixation on hand size and Megan Kelly is somewhat valid, but the fixation appears to me to be by the part of the anti-Trump Republicans more than by Trump or his supporters. I happened to be away when the "hand size" interaction occurred: heard much about it from the anti-Trumps, but zero from the pros-Trumps.
Complaints that Trump is rather vulgar are valid--although he doesn't reach LBJ levels by a long shot--but, as has been noted, politics is downstream from culture, and Trump connects with that culture better than the others have. (He connects better than Clinton does as well--to his advantage.) We deal with the culture we have in an election; it's between elections that we should work on changing it.
No matter who the Republican nominee is, he's going to be skewered and attack by Democrats and their media representatives. I think both Trump and Cruz are up to fighting back, with Trump having a bit of an edge.
Anyway, I've less gloom over Trump than I did over McCain. I hope that as things develop and you observe more, we can unite in supporting whoever is the nominee.
Posted by: CBI at March 22, 2016 07:49 AM (WaLXy)
Posted by: Doppelganger Ace at March 22, 2016 08:27 AM (uzNN5)
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This whole political season is just pitiful. Normally reasonable people have some type of Derangement Syndrome.
Go read Scott Adams on his blog about Trump as the master persuader. You just might see things differently.
Is Trump ideal? No. But you go to war with the forces you have and be sure the eGoP and Dhimmicrats are at war with middle America. They hate us.
Go read Scott Adams on his blog about Trump as the master persuader. You just might see things differently.
Is Trump ideal? No. But you go to war with the forces you have and be sure the eGoP and Dhimmicrats are at war with middle America. They hate us.
Posted by: R Daneel at March 22, 2016 08:36 AM (+BqEV)
978
Ace has decided Trump is unacceptable, so NOW it's ok to vote your conscience. So long as it's in line with Ace's conscience. Otherwise, Trojan horses, baby! Any means necessary, right Ace?
Posted by: Gunga Done at March 22, 2016 08:44 AM (pnRrB)
979
Trump definitely can't beat Hillary! The Associated Press, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, New York Times, and Washington Post said so!
*tries to convince as many people as possible to throw their vote to Hillary, either directly or by boycotting the election*
*tries to convince as many people as possible to throw their vote to Hillary, either directly or by boycotting the election*
Posted by: Doppelganger Ace at March 22, 2016 09:15 AM (uzNN5)
980
This is not how you approach allies; these tactics are used on enemies only.
So, what should I think of self-proclaimed conservatives who are backing Trump, such Jeff Sessions? keep in mind that I'm starting with the notion that Trump is neither a conservative nor a Republican.
Have they lost their freakin' minds? aliens? or are they garden variety politicians who stick their finger in the air to gauge which way the political winds are blowing, and bend with them? or is my notion about Trump incorrect?
And even tho he's making the right noises about the border and amnesty, keep in mind that everything is negotiable. And I'm going to hazard a guess that when it comes to reducing the cost of low skilled and no skill labor, Trump is all in favor of that.
Don't forget his notions about socialized health care (for), eminent domain (for), and partial birth abortions (for). Please explain to me how any of those are either conservative or Republican positions?
Use small words, as I'm a simple minded fool.
This is not how you approach allies; these tactics are used on enemies only.
So, what should I think of self-proclaimed conservatives who are backing Trump, such Jeff Sessions? keep in mind that I'm starting with the notion that Trump is neither a conservative nor a Republican.
Have they lost their freakin' minds? aliens? or are they garden variety politicians who stick their finger in the air to gauge which way the political winds are blowing, and bend with them? or is my notion about Trump incorrect?
And even tho he's making the right noises about the border and amnesty, keep in mind that everything is negotiable. And I'm going to hazard a guess that when it comes to reducing the cost of low skilled and no skill labor, Trump is all in favor of that.
Don't forget his notions about socialized health care (for), eminent domain (for), and partial birth abortions (for). Please explain to me how any of those are either conservative or Republican positions?
Use small words, as I'm a simple minded fool.
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at March 22, 2016 09:23 AM (1hM1d)
981
#395: V'mom, I take my text from the Gospel of John, the Nineteenth chapter, beginning at the Two-and-Twentieth verse. Quod scripsi, scripsi.
I do submit, with respect, that what I have written ought to be construed correctly: not that it is logically impossible that such Trumpists exist somewhere, but rather that I have yet to encounter - nota bene - such a Trumpist; specifically, that I have yet to encounter such reasoned argument from any Trumpist. Should some Trumpist: one who, like you, uses a recognizable handle, or, preferably, his or her real name, willing as I am willing (and of course as you are willing) to accept the consequences of stating his convictions - if such a Trumpist can be imagined to exist: should, I repeat, some reputable Trumpist step forward and be willing to debate the matter properly, the case would be altered.
But I ask also that it be recognized that - although I owe and happily return some gratitude to many of those here, and you not least - I owe no loyalty to any horde or any party or any political organization: my loyalties are owed solely to the Constitution of the United States as an epitome and statement of those principles which we agree as being the foundational ethos of the United States and which are therefore congruent to what is called Movement Conservatism. Loyalty, as one of Jack Lewis' characters says, is too important to waste on people: it is owed to principles. Here endeth the lesson.
I do submit, with respect, that what I have written ought to be construed correctly: not that it is logically impossible that such Trumpists exist somewhere, but rather that I have yet to encounter - nota bene - such a Trumpist; specifically, that I have yet to encounter such reasoned argument from any Trumpist. Should some Trumpist: one who, like you, uses a recognizable handle, or, preferably, his or her real name, willing as I am willing (and of course as you are willing) to accept the consequences of stating his convictions - if such a Trumpist can be imagined to exist: should, I repeat, some reputable Trumpist step forward and be willing to debate the matter properly, the case would be altered.
But I ask also that it be recognized that - although I owe and happily return some gratitude to many of those here, and you not least - I owe no loyalty to any horde or any party or any political organization: my loyalties are owed solely to the Constitution of the United States as an epitome and statement of those principles which we agree as being the foundational ethos of the United States and which are therefore congruent to what is called Movement Conservatism. Loyalty, as one of Jack Lewis' characters says, is too important to waste on people: it is owed to principles. Here endeth the lesson.
Posted by: MarkhamShawPyle at March 22, 2016 11:15 AM (WlkUc)
Posted by: The Hot Gates at March 22, 2016 11:18 AM (KJZeR)
983
The Trump black list has a lot of knowledgeable and thoughtful folks on it.
Personally I like Cruz but I'll gladly vote for Trump if it comes down to that.
Personally I like Cruz but I'll gladly vote for Trump if it comes down to that.
Posted by: Jim O'Neil at March 22, 2016 11:27 AM (iYvX/)
984
Trump is not the worst of all outcomes. Hillary is, and Bernie is right behind her. I'm disappointed in Cruz. If he had taken the high road against the Left instead of attacking Trump for the violent protests against him he might have had a chance with Trump's supporters.
Unless you think Clinton Administration II is what America and the world needs, vote GOP. Vote Trump if you have to to stop Hillary. Do it for your country.
Unless you think Clinton Administration II is what America and the world needs, vote GOP. Vote Trump if you have to to stop Hillary. Do it for your country.
Posted by: ObiJohn at March 22, 2016 01:55 PM (vI6Z4)
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