Glenn Reynolds: David Brooks Gave Birth to Trumpism

He expands on thoughts he had on Friday, I think it was, turning a blog post into a column for USA Today.

He writes that the Tea Party famously cleaned up after itself, and was orderly and law-abiding. Yet they were nevertheless demeaned and dismissed by the political class.

Yet the tea party movement was smeared as racist, denounced as fascist, harassed with impunity by the IRS and generally treated with contempt by the political establishment -- and by pundits like Brooks, who declared "I'm not a fan of this movement." After handing the GOP big legislative victories in 2010 and 2014, it was largely betrayed by the Republicans in Congress, who broke their promises to shrink government and block Obama’s initiatives.
So now we have Trump instead, who tells people to punch counterprotesters instead of picking up their trash.
When politeness and orderliness are met with contempt and betrayal, do not be surprised if the response is something less polite, and less orderly. Brooks closes his Trump column with Psalm 73, but a more appropriate verse is Hosea 8:7 "For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind." Trump's ascendance is a symptom of a colossal failure among America's political leaders, of which Brooks' mean-spirited insularity is only a tiny part. God help us all.

The rise of any political movement is more importantly the story of the fall of another; the rise of any class is more importantly the failure of another.

America's political class as failed so thoroughly and comprehensively as to endanger the system of government itself.

What price will they pay for this failure? If history is any guide, none at all; they'll all give each other journalism awards and social promotions.

But lately history has not been a very good guide. They ought to be frightened, but they probably lack the sense.

Posted by: Ace at 01:15 PM

Comments

(Jump to bottom of comments)

1 first

Posted by: Harun at March 21, 2016 01:16 PM (UBBWX)

2 Oh that's an exquisitely well-made point.

Insty is the second best blogger in the world.

Yes, I'm sucking up.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 21, 2016 01:20 PM (1xUj/)

3 Glen Reynolds is as dumb as a sack of hammers

Posted by: Bitter Jamie Farr at March 21, 2016 01:21 PM (qYDgA)

4 David Brooks, pay a price? I'm sorry, have you seen the man's pant crease? Simply divine.

Posted by: Jake (irregular) at March 21, 2016 01:21 PM (FfwgN)

5 The Hosea quote explains this well.

Posted by: Draki at March 21, 2016 01:22 PM (zQ60W)

6 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Buy My Book at March 21, 2016 01:22 PM (kff5f)

7 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Buy My Book at March 21, 2016 01:22 PM (kff5f)

8 The tea party should have listened to Tuco from the get go.

Posted by: ajmojo at March 21, 2016 01:22 PM (1H9ox)

9 Or should that be David Brooks?

Posted by: Bitter Jamie Farr at March 21, 2016 01:22 PM (qYDgA)

10 What price will they pay for this failure? If history is any guide, none at all;

The old rules always apply, until they don't. .

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 21, 2016 01:22 PM (/1gXq)

11 And when Trump buries the GOP with his Mondale-scale loss that wipes out the Senate and SCOTUS too, I'm sure those horrible "establishment" folks will have learned their lessons.

Insanity. Decadence. And a fast-approaching collapse.

Posted by: DriveBy at March 21, 2016 01:23 PM (C9Vc8)

12 The ignorami

At it again...

Posted by: Bitter Jamie Farr at March 21, 2016 01:23 PM (qYDgA)

13 This article parallels Ace's previous post on how instigators/interrupters of private events cannot be tolerated. This gives me hope that people will not just lie down and take it. I'm glad ace posted this article.

Posted by: Draki at March 21, 2016 01:23 PM (zQ60W)

14 What price will they pay for this failure? If history is any guide, none at all;

I wish.

Posted by: Nicolai Ceausescu at March 21, 2016 01:24 PM (iLoHX)

15 What price will they pay for this failure? If history is any guide, none at all; they'll all give each other journalism awards and social promotions.

Actually, history indicates they'll either lose their heads or be stood up against a wall. Which is why they should be frightened.

Once a populace starts revolting - really revolting - things get very bad very quickly. Even in our own relatively civil Revolution, Royalists (especially those who had been government functionaries) lived very nervous lives. In most revolutions, they'd be frog-marched into the public square, and then executed.

The issue is they're not looking at History. They're looking at "the recent past." Problem: "the recent past" is not indicative of History in general.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Buy My Book at March 21, 2016 01:24 PM (kff5f)

16 So both David Brooks and Glen Reynolds are dumber than a bag of hammers.
I read Glen often, seems OK most of the time

Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2016 01:25 PM (fizMZ)

17 You know who is insane? David Brooks

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 21, 2016 01:25 PM (LXJ1e)

18 It's an excellent point. The Tea Party was a relatively large movement, and a polite one. If they had disrupted Obama's rallies in the new leftist style, they would have been declared a terrorist organization. The establishment correctly realized that they had relatively little power at the ballot box, though, and when "undeserving" candidates won the establishment simply withdrew their support.

Can any non-establishment candidate get elected without either stepping around institutions like Congress, or replacing the Congress critters entirely?

Posted by: trev006 at March 21, 2016 01:26 PM (MEHba)

19 If Hildabeast is elected consider it burned down

Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2016 01:26 PM (fizMZ)

20 What price will they pay for this failure? If history is any guide, none at all; they'll all give each other journalism awards and social promotions.

Remember the French Revolution.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at March 21, 2016 01:26 PM (WlQGZ)

21 I keep saying that the real root of the Tea Party was the attempt at amnesty by Bush and the GOP in 2005.
Recall all of the major protests, and congressmen getting their phones melted down. They finally capitulated, but the people had enough. Low turnout for GOP led to the wave election of dems in 2006, not just war weariness.

I went to a few Tea Party rallies. The over-politeness gave me a feeling in my gut that it would be a failure, because there was absolutely nothing to fear in these protests.

Lines and lines of paddy wagons ringed the streets around the protest area of the capital, and riot police, and mounted police. When it was over, on time and without incident, and everyone left the place cleaner than when we got there, those cops were laughing. Easiest money ever made.

I did notice a couple of dem congressmen watching too.
They were also laughing. No fear.

Reynolds is exactly right, one gave birth to the other.
The left has shown that anger gets results.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 21, 2016 01:26 PM (kKHcp)

22 And they are frightened; look at their behavior, listen to their words.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 21, 2016 01:27 PM (gUoN4)

23 If I've said it once... well... this make at least twice:

The massively organized and coordinated effort to destroy Trump is probably only a few magnitudes worse for the country than if Trump were elected president.

I wasn't ever a Trump pumper and I am not starting to be one now, but because of what is going on by (and make no mistake that it is only Republicans) the establishment, there is very little doubt in my mind that I will be voting for him regardless of who the nominee is.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at March 21, 2016 01:28 PM (4ng05)

24 Hmmm, Google has decided to festoon this post with ads for The Hitman video game; is the AI becoming aware?

Posted by: Jean at March 21, 2016 01:29 PM (cXiMR)

25 They feared the Tea Party at first, then made nice to it and then felt confident they'd co-opted it, and, for a while, they had. But they were blatant in flouting it, too often, to its face, and it's arisen again, outside their reach.

Posted by: Nicolai Ceausescu at March 21, 2016 01:29 PM (iLoHX)

26 Trump's ascendance is a symptom of a colossal failure among America's
political leaders, of which Brooks' mean-spirited insularity is only a
tiny part. God help us all.

This would be a lot more true if instead of "America's political leaders" he said the RNCe leadership and it's associated RINOs and DIABLOs.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 21, 2016 01:29 PM (t2KH5)

27 David Brooks is the new Andrew Sullivan.

Posted by: Spartan Fan at March 21, 2016 01:30 PM (h0T3E)

28 There is NO doubt that the disdain and contempt shown to the Tea party and the Base and the lack of back bone by the Establishment lead directly to Trump. No doubt at all.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 01:30 PM (mw8Dm)

29 David Brooks Gave Birth to Trumpism
______

Can you imagine David Brooks in baggy pregger clothes, laying on a bed, legs spread with a doctor yelling at him: "PUSH MR BROOKS! PUUUUSH! AND DONT FORGET TO BREATH!"

And a few ours later an ugly bundle with weird hair and suspiciously small hands takes its first breath only to use it to start screaming and quote a Drudge online poll.

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at March 21, 2016 01:31 PM (0VSJ4)

30 "When politeness and orderliness are met with contempt and betrayal, do not be surprised if the response is something less polite, and less orderly."

I'm confused. Are we defending Trump against organized Leftist agitators or not?

Cruz didn't. In fact, few did.

Or like a lot of things, are we coming around to Trump's position -- kinda -- but wish he'd been more elegant about how first delivered it.

Posted by: Ignoramus at March 21, 2016 01:31 PM (r1fLd)

31 If I get my flamethrower, the first thing I'm gonna flamethrow is the term mean-spirited.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 21, 2016 01:31 PM (kTF2Z)

32 Isn't David Brooks that ass hat that made the remark about the crease in Teh JEF's pants?

Seriously; why should anyone give two shits what that fool has to say?

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at March 21, 2016 01:32 PM (i0ykY)

33 then felt confident they'd co-opted it, and, for a while, they had

The Never co-opted the Tea Party, they only co-opted some of the spineless scum the Tea Party got elected to Congress and people noticed

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 01:32 PM (mw8Dm)

34 It's the old - "The peasants are revolting!"

Why, yes they are.

Posted by: Boots at March 21, 2016 01:32 PM (EBwPV)

35 >>> What price will they pay for this failure? If history is any guide, none at all; they'll all give each other journalism awards and social promotions.
.....

And the best damn mojitos on earth, peasant!

Posted by: Celebrity "Delegation" to Cuba at March 21, 2016 01:32 PM (XItbt)

36 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Buy My Book at March 21, 2016 01:22 PM

Hey AllenG, are you ok with Trump being our SMOD if Cruz doesn't get nominated?

Posted by: Draki at March 21, 2016 01:32 PM (zQ60W)

37 They ought to be frightened, but they probably lack the sense.

Indeed.

Posted by: IP at March 21, 2016 01:32 PM (aQQbl)

38 But what about the Coffee Party? Their impact on the electorate is practically immeasurable!

Posted by: ajmojo at March 21, 2016 01:33 PM (1H9ox)

39 One Marie Antoinette suggesting that another Marie Antoinette is a big enough deal to have cause ANYTHING. What a clown show.

Posted by: Optimizer at March 21, 2016 01:33 PM (/q6+P)

40 They feared the Tea Party at first, then made nice to it and then felt confident they'd co-opted it, and, for a while, they had. But they were blatant in flouting it, too often, to its face, and it's arisen again, outside their reach.

I didn't much like the movie, but I'm reminded of Tom Cruise's character's repeated line in Far and Away- "I have no wish to fight you." Which was always immediately followed by a punch.

In many ways that's what has happened now. The Tea Party tried to be polite. Tried to "petition for the redress of grievances." Tried to explain where we were coming from an come to an amicable agreement.

But we're Americans, not Brits. We don't do what you say simply because you say to do it. Indeed, usually we'll do the opposite. And if you force the issue, we will fight you. We would prefer in the metaphorical sense - a fight of ideas, or at least of goals. But if those fights don't work, if our grievances still have not been redressed, then physical violence is not actually off the table.

Just because it's a last, least favored resort does not mean it's not on the list.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Buy My Book at March 21, 2016 01:33 PM (kff5f)

41 What price will they pay for this failure? If history is any guide, none at all; they'll all give each other journalism awards and social promotions.

Which history are you using for that baseline?

Cause IIRC, revolutions tend to kill off the old leadership ...

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 01:33 PM (uURQL)

42 All aboooooard!!!!!!!

Posted by: Trump Train at March 21, 2016 01:34 PM (hHFOx)

43 You want to know why everyone's so afraid of Muslims that to even criticize them is now verboten and our "leaders" bend themselves over backwards to kiss their asses? It's not because they are polite and pick up after themselves.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at March 21, 2016 01:34 PM (ppaKI)

44 Something tells me, David Brooks won't like being called the reason why Trump has risen. Sounds like a great reason to mention it a lot.

Posted by: Draki at March 21, 2016 01:34 PM (zQ60W)

45 That was a most excellent piece by Professor Reynolds.

Trump took over the news media when he made his statement about building the wall, and about stopping immigration until we had control of our borders again.

The news media took the bait. That makes Trump the only man who is fighting back against Obama as it is Obama who has, by Imperial Decree, ordered the suspension of immigration law.

It also shows the leadership of the GOP as being unable or unwilling to fight back against Obama.

Trump is the only celebrity who is fighting back against the leftists PC speech rules and the associated thought control.

Posted by: Rogland Brostle at March 21, 2016 01:34 PM (ZllM+)

46 "The rise of any political movement is more importantly the story of the fall of another; the rise of any class is more importantly the failure of another."
Posted by: Ace at 01:15 PM

I reject this in full. Politics, life, need not be a zero sum game. In America it traditionally has not been. A capitalist, a republican society is NOT a zero sum game. A centrally organized system, whether economic, political, or social, however, IS.

The political class quietly constructed this centralized political structure, stuffing courts and implementing superdelegates, quietly nudged the economy toward greater and greater regulatory control under Wall Street guidance, thinking they would always be the ones in charge of it, thinking the American people were cowed, stupid, and distracted.

You play into their hands, you sing their tune to the note, when you assert that "something awful" is the only possible result of this system crumbling.

This tension must be resolved. It is no more decided that the process of resolving it will be violent and ugly than it is decided what will follow. What comes after it will be up to the people to decide. And that, the fact of popular governance, and not the outcome to be resolved therein, is precisely what we are fighting for.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 01:34 PM (xuouz)

47 From the history of Ancient Greece, the problem of removing Oligarchy is often you need to use a Tyrant to do so, thus making it not work so well if your goal is limited government.

That's why "let it burn" is dangerous - the masses look for a man on a white horse when they get scared.

Honestly, a lot of Trump support comes from a feeling that government is not working properly - the fix a superhero named Trump rather than systemic reforms.

I get why people think that, but I doubt Trump will do much but maybe make deals.

Posted by: Harun at March 21, 2016 01:34 PM (UBBWX)

48

Well,, what about that bible verse 'an arm for an arm'? Huh,, what about that one?

Posted by: Michelle Fields at March 21, 2016 01:34 PM (HSmrB)

49 No matter how all of this turns out, this country has been split. I see no reconciliation this time around.

Posted by: Soona at March 21, 2016 01:34 PM (Fmupd)

50 Wait! Is Reynolds saying that Trump supporters don't pick up their trash?
Fascists!

Posted by: @votermom at March 21, 2016 01:34 PM (cbfNE)

51 The death of the GOP says less about the popularity of conservatism, and more about the fact that the party failed to act conservatively. Shitty record of conservative governance since the Clinton presidency. Inability to sell the american public on the virtues of conservatism. Inability to message against a biased media. No capacity to act as a true opposition party under Obama. Too many failed promises. Too much lip service. I love Cruz. If not him, I'll vote Trump. But I'm glad to see the status quo GOP burnt to the ground because it was good for nothing.

Posted by: california red at March 21, 2016 01:34 PM (sBAYv)

52 Everyone wants a Tea Partier on the streets and a Trumpster in the sheets.

Posted by: ajmojo at March 21, 2016 01:34 PM (1H9ox)

53 11
And when Trump buries the GOP with his Mondale-scale loss that wipes out
the Senate and SCOTUS too, I'm sure those horrible "establishment"
folks will have learned their lessons.

Insanity. Decadence. And a fast-approaching collapse.

Posted by: DriveBy at March 21, 2016 01:23 PM (C9Vc

Why does the anti-Trump side always come up with the dumbest arguments. Do you believe that Trump supporters will simply hang their heads and say: 'It looks like David Brooks was right, I guess I'll get back to voting for Bush'? How you imagine a loss for Trump spins into a permanent Establishment victory is bizarre. A loss will simply harden the two sides in their hatred for each other.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 21, 2016 01:35 PM (/1gXq)

54 Glen Reynolds is dead right.

The Tea Party was our last shot. And the GOP strangled it in it's cradle in return for 30 seconds on FoxSnooz.

Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 01:35 PM (HA9zO)

55
But we're Americans, not Brits. We don't do what you say simply because you say to do it.
----------------

You don't know Brits very well. Not the working class anyway.

Posted by: Mega at March 21, 2016 01:35 PM (hHFOx)

56 Hey AllenG, are you ok with Trump being our SMOD if Cruz doesn't get nominated?

Trump has been the candidate endorsed by Team Burn it Down since summer of last year.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Buy My Book at March 21, 2016 01:35 PM (kff5f)

57 All aboooooard!!!!!!!
Posted by: Trump Train at March 21, 2016 01:34 PM (hHFOx)

The Tea Fighting Express will hop on if you beat Cruz.

Posted by: Draki at March 21, 2016 01:36 PM (zQ60W)

58 The issue is they're not looking at History. They're looking at "the recent past."

The problem is they can't tell the difference. History for these dolts started at 2000 or when they turned 18, whichever came later.

When the inevitable happens, they'll go to their fates wondering what happened, no clue how it came about.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at March 21, 2016 01:36 PM (9krrF)

59 The rise of any political movement is more importantly the story of the fall of another; the rise of any class is more importantly the failure of another."
Posted by: Ace at 01:15 PM

I reject this in full. Politics, life, need not be a zero sum game. In America it traditionally has not been. A capitalist, a republican society is NOT a zero sum game. A centrally organized system, whether economic, political, or social, however, IS.

Political power is zero-sum, though transition of power need not be violent or ugly.

Unfortunately, our "betters" seem to be insisting on it.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 01:36 PM (uURQL)

60
Barry just said the Goal of the Human Rights dialogue is not to dictate to Cuba. That c*cksucker dictates to Americans every fcking day over lefty causes from gay wedding cakes to Obamacare. But we won't say boo to Cuba

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 21, 2016 01:36 PM (493sH)

61 It's still talking? And I think it said it welcomes Castro commenting our our ( The USA's) weakness's....Yeah? A commie failure is just who I want commending on our failures? Oh wait one has been for the last 7 years anyway...ah nevermind

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 01:36 PM (mw8Dm)

62 I hereby award David Brooks the Pullet Surprise.

Posted by: Disgruntled Chicken Farmer at March 21, 2016 01:36 PM (3GAnN)

63 New Fox poll with Trump at 46% to Cruz 33% in Arizona. Kasich at 17% (who are these people????).

Posted by: IC at March 21, 2016 01:36 PM (a0IVu)

64 Trump has been the candidate endorsed by Team Burn it Down since summer of last year.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Buy My Book at March 21, 2016 01:35 PM (kff5f)

And Cruz? Glad your back. Missed the opening SMOD prayers.

Posted by: Draki at March 21, 2016 01:36 PM (zQ60W)

65 Trump has been the candidate endorsed by Team Burn it Down since summer of last year.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Buy My Book at March 21, 2016 01:35 PM (kff5f)

Is he the Salt the Earth candidate, or is that party reserving its endorsement for the next election cycle?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 01:37 PM (uURQL)

66 The spittle flecking in the comments on USA Today shows how well Reynolds has hit the target. Pretty entertaining.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 21, 2016 01:37 PM (KUTP5)

67 Trump provides the media with ratings which equals money. Trump did not "take over" the media.

If doesn't lead to ratings, then they will leave him.

Part of the reason he generates ratings is because he's unstable - the NASCAR crash appeal.

This may wear off. I loved hearing Trump stuff on the radio, but now its a bit old.

Maybe fighting Hillary will make him interesting again.

Right now its just fighting at rallies and Trump taking meetings with DC establishment types, just like any other pol.

Posted by: Harun at March 21, 2016 01:37 PM (UBBWX)

68 They ripped the wind and they shall break the whirlwind.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 21, 2016 01:37 PM (FkBIv)

69 51
The death of the GOP says less about the popularity of conservatism, and
more about the fact that the party failed to act conservatively.
Shitty record of conservative governance since the Clinton presidency.

Posted by: california red at March 21, 2016 01:34 PM (sBAYv)

Exactly! They had Clinton by the balls on entitlement reform, and let him off with an executive order, and all the time knowing, knowing that the very next Democrat President would simply undo the EO, and Obama did just that. Failure theater has had a very long run in Washington.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 21, 2016 01:38 PM (/1gXq)

70 "They ought to be frightened, but they probably lack the sense."

Not so clear, ace.

Every step along the way to America's degradation has been countenanced, when not enthusiastically supported, by a working majority of the people themselves.

It's a common psychological flaw for people to fixate on betrayal from above, on "elites", on "them". Every single step in our descent has been openly accomplished, in many cases with ample time - generations, some times - for a reaction/correction to occur.

And - nothing. David Brooks has long been a ridiculous, pathetic freak, with no impact on anything. The electorate that supports/tolerates the idiocy and decline and lawlessness and racism and authoritarian depredations of recent years, and the milder but deeper corrosion going back decades, is responsible for our/its situation, not vapid columnists.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2016 01:38 PM (QDnY+)

71 When politeness and orderliness are met with contempt and betrayal, do not be surprised if the response is something less polite, and less orderly.
----

Something they don't understand. Yet.

Posted by: RWC - Team TTBTFW at March 21, 2016 01:38 PM (/D5Lf)

72 I asked in the dead thread, wouldn't Hillary be the better Let It Burn candidate? All of the burn, none of the blame?

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 21, 2016 01:38 PM (2d71x)

73 Glen Johnson is RIGHT!!!

Posted by: Howard Johnson at March 21, 2016 01:38 PM (iLoHX)

74 @18 "...Can any non-establishment candidate get elected without either stepping around institutions like Congress, or replacing the Congress critters entirely?"

Well, we're certainly about to find out! Or are you guys on the "Trump's part of the establishment" train, even though they're apoplectic about him. We certainly have enough Republicans claiming he's a Democrat, even though actual Democrats think he's worse than the Devil.

Posted by: Optimizer at March 21, 2016 01:38 PM (/q6+P)

75 As has been pointed out before, we have a 2-party (2-team) system.

The Left (all dems, most media, academia, etc) is The Harlem Globetrotters.

The Right (the rest of us) is the Washington Generals. Our team captains have decided for us that our job is always to lose with dignity. Maybe throw a few trick shots from center court, but always lose.

We are tired of losing. That's why somebody who gets out there ready to fight and win is such a threat to the generals of the Generals.

Posted by: Boots at March 21, 2016 01:39 PM (EBwPV)

76 Just because it's a last, least favored resort does not mean it's not on the list.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Buy My Book at March 21, 2016 01:33 PM (kff5f)

Well said.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 21, 2016 01:39 PM (kKHcp)

77 Collapse happened in 2012. We have the leadership we deserve.

I consider myself a Tea-Partier, but would vote for Trump, only because of his (apparent) bold stand on illegal immigration.

It seems that the Tea Party, which is primarily an anti-big-government/big tax movement and Donald Trump don't have anything in common philosophically. It's the (in my view) separate issue of illegal immigration that ties the people involved together.

Posted by: Mark in Portland at March 21, 2016 01:39 PM (QJBko)

78 There are always people who vote out of fear. Fear of change; fear of war; fear of losing something valuable...

I think we are seeing a growing number of voters voting out of fear. I don't think they are the majority yet, because I do not think enough people have been threatened enough with "loss". But we're getting close to a tipping point.

But what happens when enough people HAVE actually lost something? Or, at least think they have?

Then, I think they lose their fear. Then, they get angry.

And when they get angry, and neither party has shown that they even care about them?

That is what worries me...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at March 21, 2016 01:39 PM (wtvvX)

79 Trump provides the media with ratings which equals money. Trump did not "take over" the media.

If doesn't lead to ratings, then they will leave him.

They can't exactly ignore the frontrunner. Especially when people are getting punched and arms are getting ripped off.

They can try ... but then a media ignoring the news is basically committing suicide so that new media can take its place.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 01:40 PM (uURQL)

80 What does happen when Trump wins?

Since 95% of the "right wing" writers and pundits will be indistinguishable from the left wing ones, they will become superfluous.

Media companies, cable and print recognizing the need for conflict in their products and programming will be in a frantic search for talented new pundits who have a basic understanding of what just transpired in the country.

Who will be there to fill the void?

Posted by: jwest at March 21, 2016 01:40 PM (Zs4uk)

81 I asked in the dead thread, wouldn't Hillary be the better Let It Burn candidate? All of the burn, none of the blame?
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 21, 2016 01:38 PM (2d71x)

No, she has a history of being on the socialist side and will just build up the democrats. Trump will hopefully destroy the GOP.

Posted by: Draki at March 21, 2016 01:40 PM (zQ60W)

82 @70: Don't be so literal. Reynolds isn't stating Brooks personally is responsible, but that the Elite Class which Brooks represents is.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 21, 2016 01:40 PM (KUTP5)

83 >>27 David Brooks is the new Andrew Sullivan.
Posted by: Spartan Fan

Whatever HAPPENED to unfortunate Andy? Is he still around catching loads?

Posted by: Sphynx at March 21, 2016 01:40 PM (OZmbA)

84 >>>>Collapse happened in 2012.

2008 was America's suicide.
2012 was the body flopping in the tub.

Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 01:40 PM (HA9zO)

85

They ripped the wind and they shall break the whirlwind.

Woe be unto the cheese that shall be cleaved.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 21, 2016 01:41 PM (LUgeY)

86 Rollin', rollin', rollin'
Keep those tumbrils rollin'
Blood will soon be spillin'
Guillotine!

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has the Asbestos Undershorts You Need for Your Internet Flame-Wars! at March 21, 2016 01:41 PM (hLRSq)

87 No matter how all of this turns out, this country has been split. I see no reconciliation this time around.
Posted by: Soona at March 21, 2016 01:34 PM (Fmupd)

Truecons are stuck not trusting the young generation of Americans with the responsibility they need to learn how to run things (and all the hard knock experiences that lead to the realization that conservatism has something going for it) and this desperate search for people who will be able to run things. Maybe you're right, maybe millenials are just shiftless losers too stupid to live. Give them the reins and we'll find out, indisputably. Don't and we'll continue on this shallow dive into the sea of socialism.

Either we believe in America or we don't. Now, and again in November, you will have to choose.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 01:41 PM (xuouz)

88 Lots of good, sturdy lampposts out there. Just saying.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at March 21, 2016 01:42 PM (iynDC)

89 The Tea Party is not dead. It has just been driven underground.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 21, 2016 01:42 PM (4AVeu)

90 Our team captains have decided for us that our job is always to lose with dignity. Maybe throw a few trick shots from center court, but always lose.
-----------------------

That's not a trick shot.

Posted by: John Roberts at March 21, 2016 01:42 PM (hHFOx)

91 Part of the Constitution that the governing class has abandoned is a prohibition on ex post facto laws.

While many of the governing class are not following the current laws (hi Hillary), the smarter ones are working in a system that legalized graft.

It would be a shame if a new political establishment took a rather dim view of the "outdated" prohibitions on "bringing justice and equality" to all...by throwing their asses in jail wouldn't it?

Posted by: 18-1 at March 21, 2016 01:42 PM (pibXr)

92 Posted by: Draki at March 21, 2016 01:40 PM (zQ60W)

I'm afraid destroying the GOP is not the definition of Let It Burn. It's consequential.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 21, 2016 01:42 PM (2d71x)

93
CASTRO TELLS O: GIVE US GITMO....

It's not his to give away, asshat.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 21, 2016 01:42 PM (iQIUe)

94 Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 01:41 PM (xuouz)

You label people as much as the democrats

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 01:42 PM (mw8Dm)

95 Trump will hopefully destroy the GOP.

Posted by: Draki at March 21, 2016 01:40 PM (zQ60W)

Reminder: Trump is running as a Republican. Can't follow the logic on that one, sorry.

Posted by: troyriser at March 21, 2016 01:42 PM (UWlp+)

96 while I agree this article nails the issues, if you share it with almost 99% of the population their response will just be "but the tea party was racist, you racist!"

Posted by: chelsea danger at March 21, 2016 01:42 PM (1nFsQ)

97 And when Trump buries the GOP with his Mondale-scale loss that wipes out the Senate and SCOTUS too, I'm sure those horrible "establishment" folks will have learned their lessons.

Insanity. Decadence. And a fast-approaching collapse.

Posted by: DriveBy at March 21, 2016 01:23 PM (C9Vc

Then they will get something worse than Trump until certain things are addressed.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has the Asbestos Undershorts You Need for Your Internet Flame-Wars! at March 21, 2016 01:43 PM (hLRSq)

98 Why is Trump scarier than an admitted Marxist who announced he was going to "fundamentally change" the U.S.?

I think Trump's bluster will fade and he'll maybe attempt one or two of his platform planks, but mostly he'll just be a infomercial president.

Unfortunately he will capitulate to a lot of what the Dems want too, I think.

Posted by: Sphynx at March 21, 2016 01:43 PM (OZmbA)

99 Whatever HAPPENED to unfortunate Andy? Is he still around catching loads?

Posted by: Sphynx at March 21, 2016 01:40 PM (OZmbA)

His last post on The Dish was on the day gay marriage became law.

Posted by: RWC - Team TTBTFW at March 21, 2016 01:43 PM (/D5Lf)

100 Brooks is just a talking head. He is a reflection of the problem, not the problem itself. The problem is the leaders of the GOP. The one with actual political and legal power. The ones who have done nothing in the face of Obama's lawlessness. They own the House and the Senate. What have they done with the power given them?

The IRS targeted Obama's political adversaries. Who has paid a price? Lerner had to retire early, with full benefits. That's it. Big whoop. Of course, the leaders of the GOP were against the Tea Party themselves, so, by their lights, they had no skin in the game. Feigning moral outrage was deemed sufficient. And the lawlessness continues.

They must be swept away.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at March 21, 2016 01:43 PM (R+30W)

101 "Colossal Failure." There it is, the GOP in a nutshell.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 21, 2016 01:43 PM (8ZskC)

102
Someone had the stones to ask them about political prisoners. Raoul and Barry are now lecturing him. Barry would have sent Solzhenitsyn back to the gulags

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 21, 2016 01:43 PM (493sH)

103 I asked in the dead thread, wouldn't Hillary be the better Let It Burn candidate? All of the burn, none of the blame?
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 21, 2016 01:38 PM (2d71x)

What blame? The difference between how dem voters hate the GOP and how pub voters hate the GOP is that we know exactly why we hate them, and dems will know as soon as they're done watching John Oliver.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 01:44 PM (xuouz)

104 Great post. Glenn Reynolds and Ace have explained why we all should "Stop Worrying And Learn To Love The Donald".

Even if he is not a true believer and even if he is a RINO squish in many ways, he is giving the GOP establishment exactly what it deserves.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 21, 2016 01:44 PM (ujg0T)

105 History is full of examples actually, a failed political class pays the price sometimes by being turned out, sometimes chased out, sometimes being snuffed out.

So you're wrong in that. Recent history has shown no consequences for failed political class that is true, but in human history this is the outlier/anamoly period I think.

Posted by: Tradd at March 21, 2016 01:44 PM (GSJcT)

106 The Never co-opted the Tea Party, they only co-opted some of the spineless scum the Tea Party got elected to Congress and people noticed
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 01:32 PM (mw8Dm)

^^^!!

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at March 21, 2016 01:44 PM (V3/6/)

107 Collapse happened in 2012. We have the leadership we deserve

---------------------

Unfortunately, you're right. The truth does hurt. I made this statement on the night Fredo won his second term. That was when the Constitution went into it's death-rattle.

Posted by: Soona at March 21, 2016 01:44 PM (Fmupd)

108 Maybe you're right, maybe millenials are just shiftless losers too stupid to live. Give them the reins and we'll find out, indisputably.

Millenials won't be holding the reins ... they'll be the grunts, and maybe the low level leadership that makes things happen, but the generals and visionaries will be older folks. Gen X folks, probably.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 01:44 PM (uURQL)

109 And Cruz? Glad your back. Missed the opening SMOD prayers.
Posted by: Draki at March 21, 2016 01:36 PM (zQ60W)

Honestly, personally I would much prefer a Cruz Presidency, if I thought there was any hope that 4 or 8 years of actual conservatism could fix things. I don't think it can, though, and I'm not convinced about how conservative he would be able to be.

That said, I'd drag myself over broken glass, through a pool of lemon juice, and stare at hildabeast in a bikini for an hour to vote for Ted Cruz if he were the nominee.

Fact is, though, I think that it's too late for that. For all I say "Burn it down" Trump is my last ditch effort to return to sanity. No one will do significantly better (see my cynicism about Cruz being allowed to be conservative), and Trump has the benefit that *everyone* in DC hates his guts. That means that we may actually have Congress reassert its powers and finally check the rogue executive.

Once that is done, it is a *much* smaller step to reminding people about why we're a Federal Republic in the first place, and maybe some States Rights issues will finally start gaining some steam.

And, when that doesn't happen, I expect that he'll provide much better circuses for the "bread and circuses" period of American History than Hilary could.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Buy My Book at March 21, 2016 01:45 PM (kff5f)

110 So let me get this straight, Trump loses in a flame-out to Hillary and takes the rest of the GOP--the House and Senate--down with him.
Ok, what happens if the GOPe takes the nomination away from Trump, and puts Kasich or Ryan or Romney in his place. Do they really expect a different outcome?

If the GOPe loses Congress, it's entirely on THEM for all the shit they've pulled--and all the shit they're yet to pull....

Posted by: JoeF. at March 21, 2016 01:45 PM (zvfF1)

111 Glenn Reynolds: David Brooks Gave Birth to Trumpism

That's catchy ... but stupid. So called "Trumpism" is merely Americans who are against the subjugation of this nation to the shitholes of the world and the destruction of this nation through illegal invasion. To call this normal love of the notion of the nation-state "Trumpism" is to degrade the notion just as much as Brooks, the Vichy GOP, the treasonous left and the rest do.

These passive-aggressive attacks are really tiring and asinine. Acting as if Trump is any less of a candidate than the normal, run-of-the-mill politico is disingenuous or just, plain idiotic. "Trumpism" ... FFS.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 21, 2016 01:45 PM (zc3Db)

112 Reap it.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 21, 2016 01:45 PM (evdj2)

113 In the same vein...

After catching George Will on Sunday morning, I would like to invite him to suck the shit out of my ass.

Posted by: jwest at March 21, 2016 01:45 PM (Zs4uk)

114 What's funny was early on before the email scandal, Hillary was beating every hypothetical Republican match up by like 20 points, but there was nowhere near the hand wring by the DC Beltway. It was just sort of this thing we had to accept.

Now that some poll shows Trump down 7 points in the middle of a primary dumpster fire, it's the end of everything as we know it.

Posted by: Pomo at March 21, 2016 01:45 PM (bytzL)

115 72 I asked in the dead thread, wouldn't Hillary be the better Let It Burn candidate? All of the burn, none of the blame?
...
Depends upon the level of burn your trying to achieve. Burn the country or burn the GOP/Political class.
I'm of the mind that Cankles is great for the Let the Country Burn mindset, because I truly believe that giving her unfettered power will destroy any chance of regaining freedom in this country for a long time. I think Trump is a potentially perfect vehicle for the Let the Political Class Burn party (of which I am a proud card carrying member of the chapter I started just now when I thought of it).
There are obviously some (many?) who believe Trump is actually on par with or an even better candidate than Hillary to lead the LTCB party.

Posted by: ajmojo at March 21, 2016 01:45 PM (1H9ox)

116 I asked in the dead thread, wouldn't Hillary be the better Let It Burn candidate? All of the burn, none of the blame?

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 21, 2016 01:38 PM (2d71x)

--

With the added benefit of killing the second amendment? No thanks.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 21, 2016 01:46 PM (Qvgg/)

117 Posted this on Instapundit, and of course it got reported:

-So, by this theory, Donald Trumpism is the re-animated corpse of the Tea Party, brutally murdered by the Republican, Democrat, and media establishments.

Unearthed, electro-zapped back into life, it walks the land looking for grisly revenge.

Unlike the original, the torchlight-carrying mob is there to cheer the monster on; the torches are just to better see and enjoy the carnage.

And, unlike the original, the thing is in no mood to placate.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at March 21, 2016 01:46 PM (XdbLA)

118 Every step along the way to America's degradation has been countenanced, when not enthusiastically supported, by a working majority of the people themselves.
***
The current governing class has promised the LIVs ever more free stuff.

Well...it turns out nothing is free (shocking I know!). And slowly, slowly, some of the LIVs are starting to notice they aren't getting what they voted for.

Now is it their fault? Hell yes. But it is far easier to just tell them you've been had and its time to punish those that lied to you then it is to point out the LIVs selected those self same people and enabled their graft and corruption.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 21, 2016 01:46 PM (pibXr)

119 Someone had the stones to ask them about political prisoners. Raoul and Barry are now lecturing him. Barry would have sent Solzhenitsyn back to the gulags

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 21, 2016 01:43 PM (493sH)

Didn't TFG answer with "we're moving forward and not looking backward" or some similar bullshit?

Posted by: RWC - Team TTBTFW at March 21, 2016 01:46 PM (/D5Lf)

120 Maybe you're right, maybe millenials are just shiftless losers too stupid to live.

Oh come on now. Their not all shiftless.

; ^)

Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 01:46 PM (HA9zO)

121 You label people as much as the democrats
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 01:42 PM (mw8Dm)

lol it's shorthand man. I wanted to write a comment without saying the T-word.

What should I have said? "Those of you on this site who, while not establishment republicans who would vote for Kasich or Bush, consider yourselves committed conservatives, which is to say Cruz voters (but not meant in a disparaging way) who do not look forward to the idea of voting for a 'short-fingered vulgarian' as the saying goes, but on principled terms, not because you buy into a given media narrative"

???

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 01:46 PM (xuouz)

122 Señor GOPe himself, ¡Heb! Bush, gave Hillary Fucking Clinton a "Liberty Award" AFTER Benghazi. Never forget this. It encapsulates who these bastards are.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 21, 2016 01:47 PM (8ZskC)

123
Barry - The Cuban embargo is going to end. Another EO?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 21, 2016 01:47 PM (493sH)

124 Media companies, cable and print recognizing the need for conflict in their products and programming will be in a frantic search for talented new pundits who have a basic understanding of what just transpired in the country.

Who will be there to fill the void?

I volunteer as tribute!!!!

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at March 21, 2016 01:47 PM (9krrF)

125 The American political system, as practiced by the American political class, gave birth to Obama, and Trump. Oh, and the natural tendency of people to project.

Posted by: kraken at March 21, 2016 01:47 PM (sdxPm)

126 Which history are you using for that baseline?

Cause IIRC, revolutions tend to kill off the old leadership ...
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 01:33 PM (uURQL)

*looks around*

I don't see a revolution. I see the predictable results of a former republic voluntarily implementing socialism over a period of decades.

52% of voters are getting exactly what they voted for. Not that they've really noticed or understand it. All that matters to them is they get more and more free shit the more they gratefully cede any semblance of personal responsibility for anything. We're all victims after all, don't ya know? We need to be coddled and taken care of.

Posted by: Damiano at March 21, 2016 01:47 PM (XItbt)

127 I'm afraid destroying the GOP is not the definition of Let It Burn. It's consequential.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 21, 2016 01:42 PM (2d71x)

I'm kinda attached to my life and smoking hot girlfriend. Can't say I want to lose it all right now....

Posted by: Draki at March 21, 2016 01:47 PM (zQ60W)

128 Reap it.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 21, 2016 01:45 PM (evdj2)

Reap it good.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 01:47 PM (xuouz)

129 It also shows the leadership of the GOP as being unable or unwilling to fight back against Obama.

Trump is the only celebrity who is fighting back against the leftists PC speech rules and the associated thought control.

Posted by: Rogland Brostle at March 21, 2016 01:34 PM (ZllM+)

Its as Abe Lincoln said of Gen Grant:
"I can't spare this man; he fights"

I'd say Cruz does too and more effectively, but I think Trump speaks to the id and Cruz the superego, and we're in id land now. Of maybe the other way around. I'm not a mind doctor.

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 21, 2016 01:47 PM (t06LC)

130 I volunteer as tribute!!!!
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at March 21, 2016 01:47 PM (9krrF)

Didn't ungrateful loaf try that out?! I'm sure you might do better.

Posted by: Draki at March 21, 2016 01:48 PM (zQ60W)

131 David Brooks' pants just came uncreased.

Posted by: Howard Johnson at March 21, 2016 01:48 PM (iLoHX)

132 Are we not men? We are Horde!

and smoking hot girlfriend.
Posted by: Draki at March 21, 2016 01:47 PM (zQ60W)

You know the rule.

Posted by: alexthechick - Secretary of Tits at March 21, 2016 01:48 PM (mf5HN)

133 Kasich at 17% (who are these people????).

Posted by: IC at March 21, 2016 01:36 PM (a0IVu)

The great mystery of our time.

Posted by: Jake (not officially a regular) at March 21, 2016 01:48 PM (3Hz7K)

134 72 I asked in the dead thread, wouldn't Hillary be the better Let It Burn candidate? All of the burn, none of the blame?
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck

you are who I thought you were

Posted by: x at March 21, 2016 01:48 PM (nFwvY)

135 I asked in the dead thread, wouldn't Hillary be the better Let It Burn candidate? All of the burn, none of the blame?

No, because Hillary will not rock the boat. She's the candidate that will slowly boil the frog until its dead.

Posted by: Pomo at March 21, 2016 01:48 PM (bytzL)

136 Why is Trump scarier than an admitted Marxist who announced he was going to "fundamentally change" the U.S.?

Indeed - the number of articles I've seen from lefties that boil down to, "My Gaia we can't elect Trump - he might do the same kind of things Obama has done if he is elected".

Posted by: 18-1 at March 21, 2016 01:49 PM (pibXr)

137 Its as Abe Lincoln said of Gen Grant:

"I can't spare this man; he fights"

I'd say Cruz does too and more effectively, but I think Trump speaks to the id and Cruz the superego, and we're in id land now.

---

Good point. We are in id land. Perhaps Wizard of Id Land.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 21, 2016 01:49 PM (Qvgg/)

138 It seems that the Tea Party, which is primarily an anti-big-government/big tax movement and Donald Trump don't have anything in common philosophically. It's the (in my view) separate issue of illegal immigration that ties the people involved together.

Posted by: Mark in Portland at March 21, 2016 01:39 PM (QJBko)
______

I would never vote for Trump, but I can see one parallel: just like the redistribution of tax dollars, illegal immigration is a case of leadership apparatchiks and functionaries (I will not call these scumbags "elites") being generous on other peoples backs.

The negative consequences of immigration (legal and illegal alike) usually dont touch the hacks in the ruling class. I would say that anger about this is definitely a tea-party sentiment.

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at March 21, 2016 01:49 PM (0VSJ4)

139 Trump?

Never heard of him.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at March 21, 2016 01:49 PM (OZmbA)

140 127 I'm afraid destroying the GOP is not the definition of Let It Burn. It's consequential.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 21, 2016 01:42 PM (2d71x)

I agree. Its not the GOP its the elites of all types. There should be no "elites" in a republic. Besides, they aren't even really elite in any sense of the word.

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 21, 2016 01:49 PM (t06LC)

141 "And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe."

Posted by: Draki at March 21, 2016 01:50 PM (zQ60W)

142 There's no need to fear, UnderTrump is here!!

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 21, 2016 01:50 PM (JO9+V)

143 Millenials won't be holding the reins ... they'll be the grunts, and maybe the low level leadership that makes things happen, but the generals and visionaries will be older folks. Gen X folks, probably.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 01:44 PM (uURQL)

An army is only as good as its NCOs, and millenials, who should be cutting their teeth on management and starting their own companies, are shut out of jobs at existing corporations because there are so few to go around, and can't start their own because of regulation and a similar bottleneck for startup investment.

It's the economy. It all comes back to the economy.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 01:50 PM (xuouz)

144 Kasich at 17% (who are these people????).
***
Republican LIVs.

The media tells them Trump is a NAZI and that Cruz has...a punchable face?...so they vote for none of the above Kaisch.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 21, 2016 01:50 PM (pibXr)

145 >>>wouldn't Hillary be the better Let It Burn candidate?

Trump - Let it Burn

Hillary - Nuke it 'til it glows

Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 01:50 PM (HA9zO)

146 "So now we have Trump instead, who tells people to punch counterprotesters instead of picking up their trash."

You always have to look at the actual video. I remember one where he said "I'd like to punch that guy in the face", which I have no problem with. There was another referencing the old days where people would be put in the hospital. I'm fine with that, too. Both express appropriate sentiments, and do not actually solicit punching.

I think there might have been ONE case where he might have actually suggested that. I don't have the exact quote, and that usually matters.

All that being said, the Marie Antoinettes are making the usual mountain out of a molehill, and completely ignoring the jerky operatives who are intentionally instigating things, and THOSE guys get violent, and commit crimes and stuff all the time. They're all for Hillary or Bernie - often as paid operatives for their allies, and you don't see the same Sunday school marms calling those two "Hitler."

Posted by: Optimizer at March 21, 2016 01:51 PM (/q6+P)

147 Kasich at 17% (who are these people????).

Posted by: IC at March 21, 2016 01:36 PM (a0IVu)

The great mystery of our time.
Posted by: Jake

I've met some Kasich voters, it's basically a NotTrump but also NotCruz voter.

They just want a vanilla Republican that's not polarizing.

The problem is, no matter how "respectable" they are, at the end of the campaign, they will be polarizing.

Posted by: Pomo at March 21, 2016 01:51 PM (bytzL)

148 Besides, they aren't even really elite in any sense of the word.

They assure each other that they are. Anyway, you don't get invited to their cocktail parties, DO YOU?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 21, 2016 01:51 PM (8ZskC)

149 "But what about the Coffee Party? Their impact on the electorate is practically immeasurable!"
========

Didn't this illusory "party" pose as some kind of non-partisan alternative to the Tea Party?

Then why are the only people who ever post about it nitwit Bernie Sanders fanatics on Facebook?

Posted by: Kensington at March 21, 2016 01:51 PM (7Kbxu)

150 Vashta Verada 01:46 PM (Qvgg)

But wouldn't the attempt to take away the 2nd amendment accelerate the burn? I thought the burn was to allow the Phoenix that was once the United States to arise from the ashes.

I can never keep up with the goals of the Let It Burn faction.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 21, 2016 01:51 PM (2d71x)

151 -
I'd say Cruz does too and more effectively, but I think Trump speaks to the id and Cruz the superego, and we're in id land now.

---

Good point. We are in id land. Perhaps Wizard of Id Land.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 21, 2016 01:49 PM
--------------

The Fing is a Kink!!

Posted by: The Lone Spoonerer at March 21, 2016 01:51 PM (pMGkg)

152 The electorate that supports/tolerates the idiocy and decline and lawlessness and racism and authoritarian depredations of recent years, and the milder but deeper corrosion going back decades, is responsible for our/its situation, not vapid columnists.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 21, 2016 01:38 PM (QDnY+)

This has been a long time coming.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at March 21, 2016 01:51 PM (V3/6/)

153 136--you're more on point than you think.

NO ONE wants to give Trump the precedent-setting power that Obama usurped for the office of President.

Posted by: JoeF. at March 21, 2016 01:51 PM (zvfF1)

154 "America's political class as failed so thoroughly and comprehensively as to endanger the system of government itself."

Feature, not bug. If the system goes down, they get to impose top-down rule. Plus, if they declare a new government, guess what - no more debt. It can be disavowed as part of the defunct regime.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at March 21, 2016 01:51 PM (rznWS)

155 >>> Well...it turns out nothing is free (shocking I know!). And slowly, slowly, some of the LIVs are starting to notice they aren't getting what they voted for.

*****

This is NOT good news. Yeah, they noticed that they have not yet received their Skittle shitting unicorn. Yes, they are not happy about it.

Their solution: Now I want 2 Skittle shitting unicorns, free internet, and my ass wiped by non-carbon emitting, green robots!

Posted by: Damiano at March 21, 2016 01:52 PM (XItbt)

156 What price will they pay for this failure? If history is any guide, none at all;

AllenG already pointed this out quite some time ago, but it bares repeating that to think the rabble can't poke through the gated communities in the suburbs to enact their own version of Max Robespierre's Reign of Terror is rather horribly naive.

Though perfect run of form for the GOPe, so carry on.

Posted by: DocJ at March 21, 2016 01:52 PM (zrsn3)

157 Breitbart took a machete and a giant flashlight and showed everyone the path.

Somebody is now doing the same thing on a larger scale but he's a mite more squirrelly about it because he has a gigantic coalition to assemble.

Once you see it, you can't unsee it.

Posted by: Mega at March 21, 2016 01:52 PM (hHFOx)

158 Kasich at 17% (who are these people????).

--

Say 'Petunia' three times, and your question will be answered.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 21, 2016 01:52 PM (Qvgg/)

159 >>>>> oh no I think my hand may be pregnant

Please tell me that there is a ' Best of Altered MUMR ' on Amazon.

I'm fkn choking to death over here.

Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 01:52 PM (HA9zO)

160 See, this article, and the Obama post below, is why I turn a deaf ear to the "Trump is a
Fascist" Henny Penny-isms. Nine years of daily "WTF moments". Nine
years.

It's not that I'm some racist sister-humper, or that I
think Trump is the Second Coming (that's Cruz apparently, according to
the ever-stable Mr. Beck), or that such concerns are wholly without
merit - it's that all this arm-flailing about Trump and the future of
the nation is about 8-9 years too late. You're concerned about the
future of the nation? Welcome to the party! The beer's all gone, the
chips are stale and the music's over, sorry to see you overslept for a
f*cking decade.

All of a sudden we're supposed to care about all
of what Trump (or Cruz) COULD do when I'm busy reading about what Barry
actually IS doing RIGHT NOW. Grossly illegal actions are being performed
by the Executive RIGHT NOW, and the response is a bunch of impotent
internet rage. Where are the motorcades of cars stopping Barry's passage
to the links? Where is the rushing of the stage and the resulting
Secret Service take-downs? Where are the protests at DNC rallies that
cause shut-downs? Where are the Federal employees setting up their
private servers saying "me too"? Where are the families of fallen
soldiers following Hillary from stop to stop with pictures of their dead
sons/daughters? Where is the right media hammering this like Kate Upton
minute by minute? If Trump is so damn dangerous as to merit this
hand-wringing response from the Right for POSSIBLE future acts, and he
hasn't even done anything yet, what do these criminals merit for this 8
year long list of charges?

What could Trump do? Trade 5 terrorists for one deserter? Use the govt.

to compel purchases of a product? Grab up definitional control of health

insurance plans to the point of killing plans and doctor-patient

relationships? Make "non-agreements" with Iran and box Congress out

of it? Gin up hatred between blacks and cops by siding with BLM over

officers? Diminish our standing internationally (red line?). Tank the

progress made in Iraq? Crush military morale?

Hence my slogan - "Trump for President 2016 - Because what could he do? F*ck it up?".

Trump's
sheer presence reveals that the alternatives to Trump, the Established
"Betters", are a bunch of lunatics and incompetents that have enjoyed
unearned credibility and gained way too much control for too long.And as
final proof, they can't even discredit Donald Trump. Jesus! It's so bad
that people are looking at Trump, yes, TRUMP, as a "viable" alternative
to that rot, because, shudder, he actually is. That's how bad the
condition of this nation is. And again, it didn't happen overnight.

If
Congress, the SCOTUS, the states and the people do not confront this
line-stepping criminality as it happens, then it becomes established,
ACCEPTED precedent. And, ah, I haven't seen the GOP take any
balls-to-the-wall action to curtail any of this, not legally and not in
the press, like, not ever. So don't be surprised when the Trumpenheimer
(or anyone else, for that matter) takes office and starts running down
his/her wish-list, because it wasn't just Barry that made it possible,
it was the Dems, the GOP the media, and ultimately, "us".

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at March 21, 2016 01:52 PM (i6shs)

161 You know the rule.
Posted by: alexthechick - Secretary of Tits at March 21, 2016 01:48 PM (mf5HN)

We don't need to flood this thread with hot pics of her or michelle fields. Do we? So early and we have content!

Posted by: Draki at March 21, 2016 01:52 PM (zQ60W)

162 I have always been suspicious of this "they created Trump" argument, where they are, alternatingly, "GOPe", "the pundit class", "the elites", or whomever is considered to be the enemy du jour. No, they didn't. No one forced anyone to vote for Trump. Even if they are rude and condescending pricks. Each individual is responsible for how he/she chooses to respond to the improper actions of others. I don't like how the East Coasters talk down to people in the heartland, but allowing them the power to decide how people respond to them is granting them too much power IMO. Trump supporters fundamentally want Trump regardless of what people like David Brooks might say, and using a Brooks column as justification is just an excuse IMO.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 01:53 PM (+Fl7e)

163 Also this seems relevant here:

http://bit.ly/1T4iLzc

Also this re: tails before TBH3K went all zappy zappy:

https://youtu.be/ZDw0mMA8RYE

Posted by: alexthechick - Secretary of Tits at March 21, 2016 01:53 PM (mf5HN)

164 Besides, they aren't even really elite in any sense of the word.

They assure each other that they are. Anyway, you don't get invited to their cocktail parties, DO YOU?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 21, 2016 01:51 PM (8ZskC)

Sadly it was lost in the mail. If you reaaaally were serious about fixing the nation, you could do worse than razing any and every ivy league school to the ground and deporting every Davos attendee.

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 21, 2016 01:53 PM (t06LC)

165 What the Beltway needs right now is a massive conversion to HST's Gonzo Journalism, and a shipping container of 44 mag. revolvers. But mostly the shipping container of 44 mag. revolvers.

Posted by: Fritz at March 21, 2016 01:53 PM (UzPAd)

166 The violent harassment of Trump supporters may be a tipping point. It's organized. It's deliberate. It's ugly. And it's everywhere. And it will get worse if he wins the nomination. We are *this* close to having armed political militia fighting in the streets, Weimar style.

The year that mainstream Americans decide that political violence is justified is the year the old order is overthrown and hanged from lampposts. Or, more likely, shot down in their offices. It's not like most civic buildings were designed with defense in mind, and I doubt law enforcement will be terribly interested in dying to defend them. The best I can say is that not ALL of them will deserve it.

I tried to warn them. I wrote some Republican organization who solicited opinions a few years ago and told them that people in this country were fed the fuck up and quietly preparing for civil war. Self sorting into politically friendly regions, stocking up on essentials, weapons, and ammunition. I personally know people who have done this, and it's what people did in the leadup to the collapse of Yugoslavia; the original Balkanization. I had to write a paper on this in college.

Naturally, nothing changed.

The pace has accelerated, since. "Prepping" is now mainstream. My mother, of all people, now has plans to bugout to a hideaway cabin when the shooting starts. They've acquired three new longbarrels in the last 6 months.

The point of no return may have already been passed.

Posted by: Apostate at March 21, 2016 01:53 PM (zaVwL)

167 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Buy My Book at March 21, 2016 01:45 PM (kff5f)

Cool, sounds like we're in agreement.

Found a fun bible verse for you: "For the day when I rise up as a witness Indeed, My decision is to gather nations, To assemble kingdoms, To pour out on them My indignation, All My burning anger; For all the earth will be devoured By the fire of My zeal."

Posted by: Draki at March 21, 2016 01:54 PM (zQ60W)

168 Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 01:46 PM (xuouz)

You seem to have a hangup about "Millennials" on eery thread? And you theow the word "Neo" around as an insult

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 01:54 PM (mw8Dm)

169 Same idiots who said Trump was a summer fling who'd be out before Iowa started caucus ingredients now predicting bis "MO dale like loss" in the GE an kiss .you ass.
You haven't been right YET so how in the hell are you still making predictions about Trumps demise? Aren't you embarrassed to have been so wrong for so long? Or is just lack of self awareness and the mistaken believe that you're smarter than most (or at least most Trump supporters?)

Posted by: Dancing Queen at March 21, 2016 01:54 PM (lZaEn)

170 Posted by: Damiano at March 21, 2016 01:47 PM (XItbt)

Okay, so using the history of Just Another Election, rather than something more fundamental and ... dangerous.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 01:54 PM (uURQL)

171 Plus, if they declare a new government, guess what - no more debt. It can be disavowed as part of the defunct regime.
Posted by: FaCubeItches at March 21, 2016 01:51 PM (rznWS)

*clears throat*

We like to call that responsibility voting to increase debt limits at least once or twice a year and Continuing Resolutions, thank you very much.

BRB- need another mojito.

Posted by: Your Betters in Congress at March 21, 2016 01:54 PM (XItbt)

172 All of a sudden we're supposed to care about all

of what Trump (or Cruz) COULD do when I'm busy reading about what Barry

actually IS doing RIGHT NOW.

It's not an either/or proposition.

Many of us don't like Obama's executive power overreach, and want to elect a president who won't continue to abuse those powers just in the service of a different agenda.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 01:54 PM (+Fl7e)

173 I just found this porn channel over on CBSN - Live Streaming Video. Some black guy is giving fellatio to some short Hispanic old guy who is wearing Beats headphones, all while an English speaking woman's voice is overdubbed.

How kinky.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 21, 2016 01:54 PM (4AVeu)

174 "Collapse happened in 2012. We have the leadership we deserve."

Yep. That was the tipping point, to me anyway. I always thought 2008 was a huge colossal error and could be fixed. but Obama's re-election left my without much, if any, hope. Even if Republicans manage a win with Trump, Cruz or some other unknown candidate the situation is critical and the left will make the country ungovernable. These protests at Trump rally are just the tip of the iceberg of what is coming.

Posted by: Ripley at March 21, 2016 01:54 PM (1BQGO)

175 I wish Trump was better than he is, cognizant of his own policy positions, not weirdly authoritarian, not shooting off his mouth and not thin-skinned, and not obsessing over every fucking little negative thing the media says about him.

But he filled a vacuum left by the establishment, so I can only hope if he wraps up the nomination he'll become more refined and a better candidate from there on out.

Still, it's a sad time to live, everyone we sorely needed to be our ally stabbed us in the back. Will we ever have a Reagan again?

Posted by: Burn It Down at March 21, 2016 01:54 PM (SWIMe)

176 Translated chemjeff: no, I really do think you're bigots, racists, or, at my most charitable, hopelessly, helplessly stupid.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 01:54 PM (xuouz)

177 So, if everyone wants to call a peaceful and orderly group hateful, bigoted, violent that group might as well become those things? I can see the point. After all what do they have to lose.

Posted by: Dave at March 21, 2016 01:54 PM (hm8tW)

178 Monsters from the id.

Posted by: Brain of Morbius at March 21, 2016 01:54 PM (FkBIv)

179 Tired of the CNN smirks when they report on 'protesters' blocking Trump rallies.

Posted by: Sphynx at March 21, 2016 01:55 PM (OZmbA)

180 Posted by: Apostate at March 21, 2016 01:53 PM (zaVwL)

Don't worry, we'll win. We've got crossbows and balls. Liberals have hurt feelings and women who don't bake.

Posted by: Draki at March 21, 2016 01:55 PM (zQ60W)

181 They remember everything and learn nothing.

(And now into a meeting. Christ I hate meetings.)

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at March 21, 2016 01:55 PM (iynDC)

182 You seem to have a hangup about "Millennials" on eery thread? And you theow the word "Neo" around as an insult
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 01:54 PM (mw8Dm)

Because it was brought up and I'm trying to make a point.

And I never use the prefix neo- unless I'm describing neo-socialists. Google it. My hash is xuouz

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 01:56 PM (xuouz)

183 Trump's sheer presence reveals that the alternatives to Trump, the Established "Betters", are a bunch of lunatics and incompetents that have enjoyed unearned credibility and gained way too much control for too long.

Yep. 'zactly.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 21, 2016 01:56 PM (8ZskC)

184 This is the time of day we start getting walls of words from commenters.

Posted by: Soona at March 21, 2016 01:56 PM (Fmupd)

185 You seem to have a hangup about "Millennials" on eery thread? And you theow the word "Neo" around as an insult
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 01:54 PM (mw8Dm)

Labels are useful. And IIRC, ghost is a millenial, as am I.

Right wing millenials are a little more tongue in cheek about us useless mouth breathers.

Reaction against special little snowflakes getting triggered by anything.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 01:56 PM (uURQL)

186 Many of us don't like Obama's executive power overreach, and want to elect a president who won't continue to abuse those powers just in the service of a different agenda.

So says the man who accuses Trump of being authoritarian without any proof while at the same time accuses him of being flexible?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 01:56 PM (mw8Dm)

187 I asked in the dead thread, wouldn't Hillary be the better Let It Burn candidate? All of the burn, none of the blame?

None of the blame? Wow, that's cute.

The media will have a host of GOPe fall-guys lined-up for when TSHTF - Bush 43, Bush 41, Mitch, Johnny Orange, Ryno, etc. It will be "if only those waskly wepublicans would let brilliant St. Barry do everything he wanted" (as if they didn't) "we wouldn't be in the mess we're in today!!!" Total crap, but the LIVs will lap it up in lieu of food.

Posted by: DocJ at March 21, 2016 01:56 PM (zrsn3)

188 Posted by: alexthechick - Secretary of Tits at March 21, 2016 01:53 PM (mf5HN)

That article had me at "just google: David Brooks smug clueless jerk."

Great find alex. Are you planning a news update takeover?

Posted by: Draki at March 21, 2016 01:57 PM (zQ60W)

189 Autocorrect f'ed my post right up.
Bottom line: those who have the nerve to still be predicting Trump's demise in GE after being 100% wrong on his demise from the start can kiss my ass.
Get some self awareness.

Posted by: Dancing Queen at March 21, 2016 01:57 PM (lZaEn)

190 @40: "The Tea Party tried to be polite. Tried to "petition for the redress of
grievances." Tried to explain where we were coming from an come to an
amicable agreement."

Which is basically the equivalent of the Polish Government in Exile offering the Germans the Danzig corridor in 1940. The issue had already been decided.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at March 21, 2016 01:57 PM (rznWS)

191
The press conference ends and Raoul holds up Barry's arm like he's the champ. Barry's wrist was completely limp. What a commie sod

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 21, 2016 01:57 PM (493sH)

192 I swear I heard Trump say that Cruz "lies like a dog" once.

Boy that Trump guy must HATE dogs! What kind of a man would KICK a dog!?! Obviously, the same kind who would abuse children!!! You know, anybody who would abuse children like that would definitely throw people he doesn't like into ovens, like the NAZIS!!!! I'll bet he would launch a nuclear attack on Muslims!!!

OMG, a vote for Trump is a vote for WWIII!!! He MUST be STOPPED!!!!!!! For the sake of all HUMANITY!!

Posted by: Optimizer at March 21, 2016 01:58 PM (/q6+P)

193
Updating:

Lawyers for Gawker Media pleaded for mercy before a Florida jury that met Monday to consider adding punitive damages to the $115 million they already ordered be given to ex-wrestler Hulk Hogan.

They were asked to consider the net worth of Gawker, its founder Nick Denton and former editor A.J. Daulerio. For the company, that's $83 million, and for Denton, the figure is $121 million, Judge Pamela Campbell told the jurors. Daulerio was determined to have no assets, but did owe $27,000 in student loans.

CNN

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 21, 2016 01:58 PM (kdS6q)

194 Raul Castro grabbed Obama's arm like he was Corey Lewandoski manhandling a female reporter.

Obama's wrist went limp instantly.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 21, 2016 01:58 PM (4AVeu)

195 This is the time of day we start getting walls of words from commenters.
Posted by: Soona at March 21, 2016 01:56 PM (Fmupd)

Don't look at me, I gave the Horde Kate Upton in a bunny outfit.

You ungrateful, undeserving louts.

Posted by: alexthechick - Secretary of Tits at March 21, 2016 01:58 PM (mf5HN)

196 It all fell apart when we finally saw the infrared satellite video slowed down to 1/20th speed of Trump's campaign manager ripping that poor girl's arm off and beating her with the wet end.

Just no recovering from that.

Posted by: jwest at March 21, 2016 01:58 PM (Zs4uk)

197 So basically, the Tea Party used to pick up the trash, and the Trump crowd takes out the trash.

Posted by: @votermom at March 21, 2016 01:58 PM (cbfNE)

198 Reynolds does not go far enough with his thinking.

Islamic Terrorism is working. It is impacting our very Freedoms here in the US. It stops many from speaking out, and our own Government supports those who support it, above our Citizens.

Then you have the Gay movement... which used nasty hateful tactics against its opponents... who relied on the Lawfulness of the very people they were screaming at, to eventually get their way on gay marriage (through the courts, once more our government did not listen to the electorate, but did what it wanted).

Then Occupy Wall Street... who was not put down by the Government, while they shit on Police cars.

Then BLM, who calls us all Racists, and have rioted, but the Government does not do anything about ...

Then... Illegals... who are government does not do anything about as they protest and wave Mexican Flags around....

Then... the TEA Party... who was Peaceful and overly Polite.... and was ignored and denigrated by the Press, and the Government used the IRS to try to shut down.

It seems the only way to win is to be an Asshole... being nice gets you nowhere...

And people do eventually learn... and we have chosen Trump as our Asshole...

And if they change the rules so Trump is out???

As we used to say in the Navy.... Stand by for Heavy Rolls...

Posted by: Don Quixote at March 21, 2016 01:58 PM (RK8AH)

199 Yea, the Democrats have a candidate under intense investigation by the FBI and anyone with any legal training would say is a slam dunk case worthy of prison, but zero hand wringing over this and how the Democrats are going to kill her and hand the White House to Republicans. The real hand wringing from the chattering class is if Hillary has enough liberal bona fides.

But Trump didn't condemn a stupid David Duke question quickly enough, so our side needs to blow up his nomination and hand it to Hillary so the New York Times won't call the GOP a racist party.

And we wonder why we lose elections.

Posted by: Pomo at March 21, 2016 01:58 PM (bytzL)

200 In business terms, Trump saw a gap in the market.

Posted by: Mega at March 21, 2016 01:58 PM (hHFOx)

201 Posted by: Soona at March 21, 2016 01:56 PM (Fmupd)

Yep. For the most part, these matters can be summarized. In 50 words or less.

Posted by: kraken at March 21, 2016 01:59 PM (sdxPm)

202 176
Translated chemjeff: no, I really do think you're bigots, racists, or, at my most charitable, hopelessly, helplessly stupid.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 01:54 PM (xuouz)
Sure, there are some racist Trump supporters. It would be dishonest to say otherwise. I never said that you are ALL bigots or racists.

I genuinely think some of you are voting for Trump because of the feelz. He makes you feel glad to be a proud American again. I kinda get that. But I don't believe in basing one's vote mainly on patriotic fervor alone. Or, that some of you are voting for Trump because of the utter nihilism rampant on the right, that no one can save the Republic and it's all doomed so let's install our own strongman to pander to *us* for a while. I am not that nihilistic so I don't share that feeling. But one doesn't have to be a bigot or a racist in order to be these things.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 01:59 PM (+Fl7e)

203 That article had me at "just google: David Brooks smug clueless jerk."

Great find alex. Are you planning a news update takeover?
Posted by: Draki at March 21, 2016 01:57 PM (zQ60W)

Planning is such a harsh term . . . .

Posted by: alexthechick - Secretary of Tits at March 21, 2016 01:59 PM (mf5HN)

204 NGU I wasn't using "truecon" as an insult, I think it's a good description of Cruz supporters who are vehemently anti-Trump. I happen to have select disagreements with that outlook but I think of myself as a truecon prodigal son more than a Trump koolaid drinker.

At the end of the day, though, it's not up to me, any more than the nomenclature for your political group is entirely up to you.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 01:59 PM (xuouz)

205 Forever to be known as "America's Limp Wrist Moment."

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 21, 2016 01:59 PM (4AVeu)

206 These protests at Trump rally are just the tip of the iceberg of what is coming.
***********************

The violence is happening because people are pushing back. Before there was little or no violence because we, or rather the establishment, reacted to every push against our liberties the same way: by surrendering.

Posted by: Burn It Down at March 21, 2016 02:00 PM (SWIMe)

207 Bottom line: those who have the nerve to still be predicting Trump's demise in GE after being 100% wrong on his demise from the start can kiss my ass.
Get some self awareness.
Posted by: Dancing Queen at March 21, 2016 01:57 PM (lZaEn)

No argument. I am 100% certain that if Trump get's the nomination, we will have a new tyrant/ dictator in January.

What flavor or tyrant/ dictator is an open question. Guess we'll have to vote for it to find out what's in it.

Posted by: Damiano at March 21, 2016 02:01 PM (XItbt)

208 FEAR IS THE MINDKILLER
Posted by: MIRROR UNIVERSE RAFAEL CRUZ at March 21, 2016 01:59 PM (XzRw1)

That's a cheap shot at trying to be a thread winner. You'll have to do better than just randomly quoting Dune.

Though you do spice things up, so thanks.

Posted by: Draki at March 21, 2016 02:01 PM (zQ60W)

209 They even attack Trump's Horses! Next it will be Trump's Puppehs' and Kittehs'!!!! It's unGodly!!!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 21, 2016 02:01 PM (iQIUe)

210 "Which is basically the equivalent of the Polish Government in Exile offering the Germans the Danzig corridor in 1940. The issue had already been decided."

Still had to be done. The peace gesture was necessary. The forms of kanly must be obeyed to justify the bloodshed that follows.

Posted by: Apostate at March 21, 2016 02:02 PM (zaVwL)

211 Picking them off one by one. Hopefully the fuckers don't murder anybody else.

http://tinyurl.com/z2yke9d

'The Nevada prosecutor that was in Oregon last week, told an Oregon attorney today, Friday March 18 through the upcoming Tuesday, they will be doing another 'mass' amounts of arrests of anyone that was in Bunkerville with a firearm in 2014,'

Posted by: RWC - Team TTBTFW at March 21, 2016 02:02 PM (/D5Lf)

212
We don't need to flood this thread with hot pics of her or michelle fields. Do we? So early and we have content!

Posted by: Draki at March 21, 2016 01:52 PM (zQ60W)
________________________________

Awe,, that's so sweet... Hey, do you want to sign my cast?

Posted by: Michelle Fields at March 21, 2016 02:02 PM (HSmrB)

213 So says the man who accuses Trump of being authoritarian without any proof while at the same time accuses him of being flexible?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 01:56 PM (mw8Dm)
1. Dude the man has praised dictators, has warmly received praise from dictators, and has said some creepily authoritarian things like "rough up the protestors" and "let's revise the libel laws". I don't know how much more you need.
2. His flexibility is borne of his lack of any inner conviction or principle. It's not like he has this firm belief in strict constitutional conservatism or anything. If he does, he is doing a good job of hiding it because he hardly ever mentions the Constitution in any of his rallies. I honestly don't think he would let the Constitution stand in his way of his goals.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:02 PM (+Fl7e)

214 Obama's wrist went limp instantly.

Ever seen this gif of Obama taking a selfie?

https://tinyurl.com/zfefagl

Look at the slight smile he makes before catching himself.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 02:02 PM (uURQL)

215 I genuinely think some of you are voting for Trump because of the feelz. He makes you feel glad to be a proud American again.
************************

I support Trump because the other candidates are worse. He's basically the arid fart in the restroom that smells the best.

Posted by: Burn It Down at March 21, 2016 02:02 PM (SWIMe)

216 Blame?

Hah! Do you really think that *anyone* remotely responsible for the circumstances we are in will admit to making a mistake?

The argument will all be about shifting the blame from those who brought us here to those who want to fix the damn problem.

Ego and ambition will never accept any responsibility.

Posted by: Rogland Brostle at March 21, 2016 02:02 PM (ZllM+)

217 @chemjeff -- every candidate has racist supporters. For example ever wonder why Cruz hasn't won one state with a population of more than 8% black (besides his home state of TX -- which has 12% black population)?

Posted by: Dancing Queen at March 21, 2016 02:03 PM (lZaEn)

218 Well Draki, I'd say you have until about 2019 to get ready.
That is the year I expect Hillary's SC pick to vote against the 2nd amend being an individual right and that a gun ban is Constitutional.
That is when the shooting will start is my guess.
I could be off by a year or two.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW PI at March 21, 2016 02:03 PM (+aCe4)

219 Trump! because go with the goers!

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 21, 2016 02:04 PM (JO9+V)

220 We are *this* close to having armed political militia fighting in the streets, Weimar style.

Posted by: Apostate at March 21, 2016 01:53 PM (zaVwL)

Do you think this is likely? The United States has a giant military, and I can see soldiers in the streets before Weimar-style violence is permitted to get out of control. Of course, at that point the soldiers would realize that electoral politics had gotten them to this point, so who knows where it would end?

Establishment pundits may be suicidal and badly uneducated, but the people who actually run the country are not. Widespread civil disorder isn't the best way for them to maintain their own positions.

Posted by: trev006 at March 21, 2016 02:04 PM (MEHba)

221 The way I see it, they had 2 chances.

1) The Tea Party showed up and told them what we wanted, in the first mainstream, regular guy, working man protest in the nation's history - something so shocking, unusual, and unique they should have been paying very close attention.
2) 2014, when we said "one more chance, do what you said or you're history."

In the first, we went out of character and took to the streets, but were orderly and clean.

In the second, we were doing our civic duty, according to the rules

Trump is step three: the last step in legal, orderly, and civic activity, but a huge finger at both parties. Oh you hate this guy? We hate you back. And he's the only one willing to say FYNQ to the left.

Does Trump suck? Yep. Is he probably a moderate Democrat? Yep. Is he an ass? Yep. Will he at best be an obnoxious RINO? Yep. But as long as he's the personification of a gigantic F YOU to the political system and horrifies all the "right people" then he's the form of the destroyer.

Because we've had it. Is this a pointless and stupid gesture? Maybe.

But it beats the alternative.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 21, 2016 02:04 PM (39g3+)

222 yeah what he said

Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 02:04 PM (R5HRU)

223 The point is, David Brooks isn't responsible for how any of us choose to respond to his foppery. He doesn't *force* people to vote for Trump. If you choose to vote for Trump based on being disgusted at a David Brooks column, then that is your choice and you should own up to it and not hand a man like David Brooks with such power over your life.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:04 PM (+Fl7e)

224 "You'll have to do better than just randomly quoting Dune. "

Heh. How's this? See #210.

Posted by: Apostate at March 21, 2016 02:04 PM (zaVwL)

225 The violence is happening because people are pushing back. Before there was little or no violence because we, or rather the establishment, reacted to every push against our liberties the same way: by surrendering.
Posted by: Burn It Down

+1 on that, and that is going to agitate the Left to the point where I could see it bringing on some sort of civil war.

But the problem is, humanity tends to want to appease the troublemakers.

My fear is the "silent majority" goes with its cowardly instincts.

Posted by: Pomo at March 21, 2016 02:04 PM (bytzL)

226 Drudge's "Mission Accomplished" picture right now is amazing. I wonder how many O-bots don't get what he means.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 21, 2016 02:05 PM (KUTP5)

227 I also blame Obama. Particularly his comments after, say, the canonization of Saint Trayvon.

I suspect that the racial-y animus burning behind a lot of Trump supporters was buoyed by Obama's open racial contempt for a huge lump of America. His white, Liberal supporters just chuckle and dismiss it. I am not surprised that working class whites, more on the receiving end of government and gang criminality, lost its shit.

I'm not in favor of all the alt-right and racial rhetoric, but I think if there was a leader who could soothe it and make amends, Obama was NOT that guy.

Posted by: Leo Spaceman at March 21, 2016 02:05 PM (tSSSX)

228 Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:02 PM (+Fl7e)

But you have actually proof ----yeah know actions--actually things he has done that prove he is authoritarian? Yeah I did not think so

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 02:05 PM (mw8Dm)

229 Shep's analysis of Fredo's visit to Cuba: Isn't he wonderful?

Posted by: Soona at March 21, 2016 02:05 PM (Fmupd)

230 It's the old - "The peasants are revolting!"

They stink on ice.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 21, 2016 02:06 PM (evdj2)

231
The press conference ends and Raoul holds up Barry's arm like he's the champ. Barry's wrist was completely limp. What a commie sod

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 21, 2016 01:57 PM (493sH)
______________________

*Sigh* It must be nice..

Posted by: Michelle Fields at March 21, 2016 02:06 PM (HSmrB)

232 The United States has a giant military

That's *had*.

Now it has an LGBT Enforcement Force.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 21, 2016 02:06 PM (KUTP5)

233 Trump supporters fundamentally want Trump regardless of what people like David Brooks might say, and using a Brooks column as justification is just an excuse IMO.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 01:53 PM (+Fl7e)

____

The fundamentally want him BECAUSE of what Brooksie and people like you say. For 5+ years the likes of you and Brooksie have been telling Trump supporters they're stupid redneck imbecile racists. Along comes Trump and says, hey you know these people are actually good people with valid concerns. And they flock to him. Weird how that works, huh?

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 21, 2016 02:06 PM (0LHZx)

234
It seems that the Tea Party, which is primarily an anti-big-government/big tax movement and Donald Trump don't have anything in common philosophically.

They were crushed the first time around because they had a phiosophy but no champion.Trump may not be pure but he is seen as a champion

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 21, 2016 02:06 PM (lKyWE)

235 @chemjeff -- every candidate has racist supporters.

Oh I know. But I think it's fair to say that Trump is the one that most of the racists on the right, such as the alt-right crowd, are most excited about because Trump plays to their racist fears of the scary brown and yellow people harming the good white people's way of life in America.

Quoting ethnic voting totals is a strange way to "prove" racism. Mitt Romney didn't receive more than 10% of the black vote, does that make Mitt a racist?

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:07 PM (+Fl7e)

236 It's not REAP reap.

Posted by: woopie at March 21, 2016 02:07 PM (QM5S2)

237 Posted by: Tilikum KAW PI at March 21, 2016 02:03 PM (+aCe4)

Good estimate, but if this garland guy gets in it might happen faster.

Reminds me, the gun thread has convinced me to get a 1911.

Posted by: Draki at March 21, 2016 02:07 PM (zQ60W)

238 What flavor or tyrant/ dictator is an open question. Guess we'll have to vote for it to find out what's in it.
Posted by: Damiano at March 21, 2016 02:01 PM (XItbt)

And this is the turd in the punchbowl to Trump support. You do end up making this argument. And it sucks. And I don't have an answer for it.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 02:07 PM (xuouz)

239 @Damiano -- god you're an idiot.
Dunning Krueger effect.
Google it.
You suffer from it.

Posted by: Dancing Queen at March 21, 2016 02:07 PM (lZaEn)

240 I genuinely think some of you are voting for Trump because of the feelz. He makes you feel glad to be a proud American again. I kinda get that. But I don't believe in basing one's vote mainly on patriotic fervor alone.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 01:59 PM (+Fl7e)

Holding the notion of the nation-state in the highest of respect is not "patriotic fervor". The nation-state concept is the very foundation stone of the world's organization and, without it, there is no government and no America and no anything. You really don't seem to understand this - which I find ind of amazing.

The nation-state concept was the most important idea to the Founders, followed very closely by the sanctity of private property rights. You regularly shit over both of these concepts and then try to act superior in your mindless hate of Trump and anyone who does not foam at the mouth screaming about what a troglodyte he is. It would be funny if it weren't so deranged.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 21, 2016 02:07 PM (zc3Db)

241 Drudge's "Mission Accomplished" picture right now is amazing

I stand with Cuba's leaders.

Posted by: Comrade Barack Obama at March 21, 2016 02:08 PM (3U4+k)

242 Obama's wrist went limp instantly.-----Adirondack Patriot

The blood for the wrist muscles went elsewhere.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW PI at March 21, 2016 02:08 PM (+aCe4)

243 But you have actually proof ----yeah know
actions--actually things he has done that prove he is authoritarian?
Yeah I did not think so

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 02:05 PM (mw8Dm)
How about his petty lawsuits against reporters who disagree with him? It is chilling to say the least, and the mark of an authoritarian mindset.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:08 PM (+Fl7e)

244 Reminds me, the gun thread has convinced me to get a 1911.

Posted by: Draki at March 21, 2016 02:07 PM (zQ60W)

Nothing looks better, but for use I'd go with a FNX 45 or HK USP. FWIW.

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 21, 2016 02:08 PM (t06LC)

245 I think all of this talk about the GOP killing the Tea Party is overstated.

So McCain said something nasty about "Wacko Birds", big fucking deal.

The Tea Party had very few victories because it didn't occupy the White House. It also fielded some really stupid candidates that lost easy wins.

Also, the tactics they expected to win were doomed, like thinking Obama was going to basically repeal ObamaCare by shutting down the government for a few weeks.

Posted by: Pomo at March 21, 2016 02:09 PM (bytzL)

246 Well, I do have an answer for it, but it doesn't convince anybody.

The answer is he's better than any other option.

BUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUT

Yeah whatever guys.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 02:09 PM (xuouz)

247 Oh I know. But I think it's fair to say that Trump is the one that most of the racists on the right, such as the alt-right crowd, are most excited about because Trump plays to their racist fears of the scary brown and yellow people harming the good white people's way of life in America.

Quoting ethnic voting totals is a strange way to "prove" racism. Mitt Romney didn't receive more than 10% of the black vote, does that make Mitt a racist?
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:07 PM (+Fl7e)

His response on TV about David Duke was pretty weak. I expected him to at least make fun of racists as much as Jeb!

Posted by: Draki at March 21, 2016 02:09 PM (zQ60W)

248 Glenn gets it. I, for one, don't like Trump for Trump, but, Sweet Yumpin Yeb!, I am tired to my bones of the punditry and consultancy classes abusing us with impunity.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at March 21, 2016 02:09 PM (kXoT0)

249 Drudge's "Mission Accomplished" picture right now is amazing. I wonder how many O-bots don't get what he means.
Posted by: Ian S. at March 21, 2016 02:05 PM (KUTP5)

Wow. Just wow. I bet the Che t- shirt crowd are loving it.

Remember how everyone laughed about the Mao Christmas ornaments?

Posted by: Damiano at March 21, 2016 02:09 PM (XItbt)

250
I think if hillary is elected there are gonna be some problems with the continued protection of illegal immigrants, muzzies and sjw protestors. At some point there is gonna be a major backlash.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 21, 2016 02:09 PM (ODxAs)

251 Turn off EBT cards. Obama did it once. Obama will probably do it again before he leaves. Obama's Trump card. That is the way Fight Club ends.

Posted by: scorecard at March 21, 2016 02:09 PM (j2xmV)

252 Nothing looks better, but for use I'd go with a FNX 45 or HK USP. FWIW.
Posted by: Jollyroger at March 21, 2016 02:08 PM (t06LC)

Got a lot of sig recommendations too. I'm gonna make a spreadsheet.

Posted by: Draki at March 21, 2016 02:10 PM (zQ60W)

253 Holding the notion of the nation-state in the highest of respect is not "patriotic fervor".

Dude, no one here disagrees with the concept of the nation-state. Go burn your strawman elsewhere.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:10 PM (+Fl7e)

254 @220. You miss the point. This isn't about 'well the local politicians aren't all foolish and reckless' (which I would happily contest you on, BTW). It's when the people decide that their government isn't their government anymore; it's an occupying power run by their enemies. It is, in political parlance, illegitimate.

Who gives a shit what the local pols say when the population refuses to listen to the pols any longer? Politicians and officials in a republic only have power when people listen. They aren't warlords. If no one listens, no power.

And I would dare the President to try to declare martial law in the US. Really. See how far it goes. For one thing, the logistics of it are nightmarish to impossible. For another, there's no army on earth large enough to occupy and police the USA. For another, it would be illegal; posse comitatus. It's an invitation to armed insurgency.

Posted by: Apostate at March 21, 2016 02:10 PM (zaVwL)

255 How about his petty lawsuits against reporters who disagree with him? It is chilling to say the least, and the mark of an authoritarian mindset.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:08 PM (+Fl7e)

Oh? Pray tell what law suit is that? Yeah again I did not think so.

And by the way:

But I think it's fair to say that Trump is the one that most of the racists on the right, such as the alt-right crowd, are most excited about because Trump plays to their racist fears of the scary brown and yellow people harming the good white people's way of life in America.

BUll Fuckin Shit...Ya make that up also...Painting all Trump supporters as racists? Go back to your democratic play mates

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 02:11 PM (mw8Dm)

256 How about his petty lawsuits against reporters who disagree with him? It is chilling to say the least, and the mark of an authoritarian mindset.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:08 PM (+Fl7e)

ROFLMAO!

You ARE joking, I hope ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 21, 2016 02:11 PM (zc3Db)

257 It seems that the Tea Party, which is primarily an anti-big-government/big tax movement and Donald Trump don't have anything in common philosophically.

They were crushed the first time around because they had a phiosophy but no champion.Trump may not be pure but he is seen as a champion
Posted by: flawless male logic

I think you're right, but there're exceptions. I'm a small gov/constitution tea partier, and I loathe Trump because almost all of his values differ from mine.

Posted by: stace at March 21, 2016 02:11 PM (ozZau)

258 Quoting ethnic voting totals is a strange way to "prove" racism. Mitt Romney didn't receive more than 10% of the black vote, does that make Mitt a racist?
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:07 PM (+Fl7e)

__

No. It makes black voters racist.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 21, 2016 02:11 PM (0LHZx)

259 But you have actually proof ----yeah know
actions--actually things he has done that prove he is authoritarian?
Yeah I did not think so

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 02:05 PM (mw8Dm)

He has no concept of the limits of the Executive branch. It's mostly ignorance rather than any tendency towards facism.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 21, 2016 02:11 PM (2d71x)

260 81 I asked in the dead thread, wouldn't Hillary be the better Let It Burn candidate? All of the burn, none of the blame?
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 21, 2016 01:38 PM (2d71x)

You will always be an amateur in the blame game. Just look at how the Flint water is immediately the fault of the Republican governor.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at March 21, 2016 02:11 PM (VdICR)

261 Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 01:59 PM (+Fl7e)

Yeah.... like you know me and how I feel and think...

I'm really tired of people telling me who I am, and what I think....

And why I am going to vote for a successful Business man with Executive experience, over a guy who has never been anything but a Lawyer.

But hey.... go ahead and belittle Trump supporters....

Hell.... lock him out of the nomination....

Feel morally superior.... as the country gets even worse with President Clinton 2

Posted by: Don Quixote at March 21, 2016 02:11 PM (RK8AH)

262 Crossbows on the left! Longbows on the...you know we really should standardize weapons for our daily circular firing squad. Welrods maybe...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at March 21, 2016 02:11 PM (9krrF)

263 "But it beats the alternative."

If the alternative is Clinton, yes. If the alternative is Cruz, no.

Posted by: Apostate at March 21, 2016 02:11 PM (zaVwL)

264 The Growth in the alt right is a direct consequence of decades of identity politics and division sewn by the left. If only Black Lives Matter, which is what the left posits, it should surprise no one there would be counter movement also based on race.

After all, the left declared it was racist to say All Lives Matter

Posted by: ThunderB at March 21, 2016 02:12 PM (zOTsN)

265 172 Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 01:54 PM (+Fl7e)
---

I also want to be able to flutter my arms and fly. I wonder, who will get their wish first?

I picture you, standing sane and rationale, in the middle of a biker bar fight, while bottles are smashed on heads, knives are pulled, guns are cocked, punches are thrown, and dimly, we hear, "C'mon guys, stop this, violence isn't the answer, let's sit and address this via Robert's Rules of Order".

Power sets the tone. The game changed. You are playing Scrabble, and the Left is play tackle Scrabble. And there is no referee enforcing any "rules of order". They will win every round, and take power again and again, precisely because they don't play by the rules.

As Ace stated previously, you cannot teach the Left the error of their ways until they are forced to live by their own rules. The Left thinks getting people fired over political disagreements or blocking traffic or punching people in the street at political rallies is super-duper, because they now have top-cover from on high. And guess what? They are winning.

It's the playground bully writ large. I wonder how they will feel when it's their teeth they're picking up off the ground? My guess is that they won't like it. And they keep pushing. And a reaction is coming. And yet they keep pushing.

That's a dangerous place to be, because it could go south quickly. That's not right, that's not legal, and that's not ideal, but we are fast approaching the point where "right" and "wrong" become "action" and "reaction".

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at March 21, 2016 02:12 PM (i6shs)

266 @chemjeff -- you seem to be very aware of who the white nationalist/storefront types are supporting.
Makes me wonder why -- I have no effing clue who they're "excited" about -- I only hear assholes telling me only racists support Trump just like they tell me only racists don't support Obama.
Fact: Cruz can only win lily white states. So how does he expand Romney's map?
He doesnt.

Posted by: Dancing Queen at March 21, 2016 02:12 PM (lZaEn)

267 I don't think Trump is a would-be or potential tyrant, I think he's an established corrupt crony with sinister connections and a well-known tendency to use whatever means he needs to in order to "win." Now some might think this translate into tyrrany, but that's not a win for Trump. For him, being the biggest, richest, most powerful, most established businessman is winning. He's like the rapper that has to spend a quarter million on a gold and diamond rope because his buddy got a ten thousand dollar one. He's got to have a bigger car, bigger house, bigger solid gold statue of himself.

He's a gilded age throwback, he's Rockefeller, JP Morgan, Andrew Mellon, etc. He's the guy that wants more money not because he wants to be rich, but because that's how you count winning and power in society.

So will he put people in camps or use the Obama structure to create a police force in America or turn the IRS against people, or begin using the justice department to sue and arrest people he disagrees with? Not Trump, its not about ideology.

He's more likely to gut the EPA and destroy rival companies than bother individual citizens.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 21, 2016 02:12 PM (39g3+)

268 Fidel Castro's net worth is $900 million.

Raul Castro's net worth is $100 million.

The Cuban people live in third-world hellhole.

What exactly is it that Obama thinks this country can learn from Cuba?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 21, 2016 02:12 PM (4AVeu)

269 >>>245 I think all of this talk about the GOP killing the Tea Party is overstated.

No. McConnell, the Chamber of Commerce, et al openly declared that they were going to shut out the Tea Party in the 2014 primaries and crush them.

They did.

And here we are.

Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 02:12 PM (MCmqp)

270 Now it has an LGBT Enforcement Force.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 21, 2016 02:06 PM (KUTP5)

Well, yeah, right now it is. Among most people it has incredibly high legitimacy when compared to anything else, out of all proportion to the influence they exert on national dialogue. If it was in proportion we'd have a Pinochet in the White House.

Will Trump have to use the imperial Presidency to get anything done besides his own impeachment? Most certainly. Am I guaranteed to like it? Nope. But for many Christians, a Hillary presidency is a guaranteed collapse of their rights. Like Michelle Obama said, you will not be allowed to go back to your lives as usual.

Hopefully people take a step back from insanity and realize that checks and balances are good for a reason. That different parts of a country can pursue their needs in different ways. Either that or they can get ready for the Trumpening.

Posted by: trev006 at March 21, 2016 02:12 PM (MEHba)

271
251 Turn off EBT cards. Obama did it once. Obama will probably do it again before he leaves. Obama's Trump card. That is the way Fight Club ends.
Posted by: scorecard at March 21, 2016 02:09 PM (j2xmV)

-------------------

All he has to do is tell the fed to raise interest rates two or three points. Game over.

Posted by: Soona at March 21, 2016 02:12 PM (Fmupd)

272 Got a lot of sig recommendations too. I'm gonna make a spreadsheet.

Posted by: Draki at March 21, 2016 02:10 PM (zQ60W)

Sigs are nice too. They really shine in 9mm. For that I'd go Sig 226. Personally I like 45. They all are around the ballpark in price. The FNX has night sights, is suppressor ready, has a place for a red dot, 3 mags, a carrying case, and is 15 shot out of the box. In .45. Its hard to beat.

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 21, 2016 02:12 PM (t06LC)

273 The other thing about Trump; the man sits atop an consumer empire based on HIM as the brand.

That's the schtick, right? TRUMP Tower, TRUMP Steaks, TRUMP Casino, TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP.

I don't think it's far-fetched to assume that the Venn overlap between Trump's customer base and Trump's hardcore voter base is pretty nigh 100%.

After all, if you've been buying the steaks and the vacations and the casinos and the TV shows, you gotta think the guy's something other than a massive bustout.

Money talks, right?

So if The Donald sells out his VOTING base, at the same time he sells out his CONSUMER base.

If he gets killed politically, he gets killed businesswise, too.

After all, "Hey! Sorry about the complete running-for-president debacle! Wanna buy some rib-eyes and play the slots again?" really doesn't sound likely to fly.

So either Donald Trump is too dumb to realize this, or he's not just playing the spoiler.

Either he's in it to win it, or he's toast. Nobody would EVER buy anything he's selling ever again.

Am I missing something here?

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at March 21, 2016 02:13 PM (XdbLA)

274 Dude, no one here disagrees with the concept of the nation-state.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:10 PM (+Fl7e)

You argue against the concept constantly. Don't blame me because your policy prescriptions call for the end of the nation-state ... at least the end of this one.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 21, 2016 02:13 PM (zc3Db)

275 How about his petty lawsuits against reporters who disagree with him? It is chilling to say the least, and the mark of an authoritarian mindset.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:08 PM (+Fl7e)

If they're libeling him he should be able to sue them. For damages. Not to have them sent to a camp. That's what he said, sue for libel. Jesus man.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 02:13 PM (xuouz)

276 He has no concept of the limits of the Executive branch. It's mostly ignorance rather than any tendency towards facism.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 21, 2016 02:11 PM (2d71x)

Yup I wold tend to agree with that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 02:13 PM (mw8Dm)

277 Regardless of who wins this election, there's going to be actual, honest to goodness violence in the streets. Bank on it. We're almost there now.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 21, 2016 02:13 PM (4ErVI)

278 > Feature, not bug. If the system goes down, they get to impose top-down rule. Plus, if they declare a new government, guess what - no more debt. It can be disavowed as part of the defunct regime.

I've been saying that for a while. Does anybody really believe that tens or hundreds of trillions are getting paid back? Even the dumbest of the dumb in government, I just can't believe that they are THIS dumb. They have to know this is unsustainable yet don't seem to give a shit either. I watch this and wonder if maybe I'm the stupid one. Either they have some kind of magic wand or they are planning for this thing to go into bankruptcy.

Posted by: Kenja Time at March 21, 2016 02:13 PM (1TjZq)

279 I'm not saying it was racists, but it was racists.

Posted by: Giorgio A. Tsoukalos at March 21, 2016 02:14 PM (FkBIv)

280 Respectfully - and I don't use the following words often - I disagree with Insty.

I don't read David Brooks, I don't follow him, and his opinions are unimportant to me.

I am not a Trumper, but I do count myself a TEA Partier, and I will admit my tone of political discourse has gotten louder and coarser over the past, say, seven years. I didn't change because of David Brooks. I learned it from Obama, and his minions to whom he gave orders to "get in their faces," to "bring a gun to a knife fight." I learned it from Occupy Wall Street, and from the Ferguson rioters, and from the Black Panthers intimidating voters at polling places. I picked up the habit from all the leftists who shout down and stifle reasonable people for the sole crime of disagreeing with them. These people are not protesters -- they are fomenting a revolution of force.

I used to be a person who enjoyed healthy debate, and civilized political discourse. These people have taught me that reasons discourse is impossible with them. They lay claim to the notion that they have a justified right to storm Sunday brunches, shut down opponents' rallies, and close speaking engagements by force, denying a platform to anyone differing from them. Their tactics are no different than those of the French and Russian revolutions, and the brownshirts of pre-Hitler Germany.

These people do not want a "safe space." They want a takeover, a revolution, a fight. They are enabled and empowered by the leftist elite who ensure they will be protected, and never have to pay a price for their temper tantrums.

They want a fight?

Brooks is a symptom - or maybe a quack doctor who is misdiagnosing the disease. The militant left is the infection.

Posted by: Qoheleth at March 21, 2016 02:14 PM (iIzG7)

281 So will he put people in camps or use the Obama structure to create a police force in America or turn the IRS against people, or begin using the justice department to sue and arrest people he disagrees with? Not Trump, its not about ideology.

He's more likely to gut the EPA and destroy rival companies than bother individual citizens.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 21, 2016 02:12 PM (39g3+)

Soooooooooo...... I guess that's an endorsement?

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 21, 2016 02:14 PM (t06LC)

282 What exactly is it that Obama thinks this country can learn from Cuba?

---

Uhm... What exactly is it that Obama thinks he can learn from Cuba?

Posted by: Rogland Brostle at March 21, 2016 02:14 PM (ZllM+)

283 Dude, no one here disagrees with the concept of the nation-state. Go burn your strawman elsewhere.

If you're complaining about Trump supporter racism, you are doing so.

No one complains that China is populated by Chinese, or Japanese is populated by Japan, or India is populated by Indians.

America has an immigration problem where third-worlders are imported at a rate that cannot be assimilated.

Guess what happens to a plurality of ethnicities? Ethnic cleansing and war.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 02:14 PM (uURQL)

284 251 Turn off EBT cards. Obama did it once. Obama will probably do it again before he leaves. Obama's Trump card. That is the way Fight Club ends.

Posted by: scorecard at March 21, 2016 02:09 PM (j2xmV)

When did that happen? Nationwide?

Posted by: RWC - Team TTBTFW at March 21, 2016 02:14 PM (/D5Lf)

285 How about his petty lawsuits against reporters who disagree with him? It is chilling to say the least, and the mark of an authoritarian mindset.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:08 PM (+Fl7e)

If a Reporter LIES, blatantly, in a positive manner, while spinning the story as Fact?

There should be a way to sue.

If they were private citizens, they could be sued.... so why does the Press have a RIGHT to lie?

And please point out where he has ACTUALLY sued a Reporter?

Posted by: Don Quixote at March 21, 2016 02:14 PM (RK8AH)

286 268 Fidel Castro's net worth is $900 million.

Raul Castro's net worth is $100 million.

The Cuban people live in third-world hellhole.

What exactly is it that Obama thinks this country can learn from Cuba?
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 21, 2016 02:12 PM (4AVeu)

___

How do amass a $900M fortune while destroying your country. That is the lesson.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 21, 2016 02:14 PM (0LHZx)

287 Has Obama finished letting the Castro Brothers give him a Havana Steamer, yet?

Posted by: garrett at March 21, 2016 02:15 PM (F3ax6)

288 Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 02:13 PM (mw8Dm)

Agreed. I also think dude has a really fragile ego which is why he's so quick to make attacks personal. Which is never a good look.

Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 02:15 PM (R5HRU)

289 I will never vote for Hillary, for any reason. I can't forget Benghazi

Posted by: ThunderB at March 21, 2016 02:15 PM (zOTsN)

290 It definitely surprised me that all of the gasoline Obama and Democrats threw on racial issues never seemed to blow back on them.

I though for sure as soon as Obama channeled Al Sharpton, middle America would turn on him.

Even liberal places like NYC wouldn't tolerate David Dinkins.

Posted by: Pomo at March 21, 2016 02:15 PM (bytzL)

291 The real violence will happen in the summer, people get crazy when it's hot outside. Some small incident will probably lead to a bigger incident, etc. Some BLM thugs attack some people, someone gets shot in defense, then it's Rodney King and turns into complete mayhem after that.

Posted by: Kenja Time at March 21, 2016 02:16 PM (1TjZq)

292 I also think dude has a really fragile ego which is why he's so quick to make attacks personal. Which is never a good look.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 02:15 PM (R5HRU)

Trump? Yup I agree with that also

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 02:16 PM (mw8Dm)

293 On the other hand Hillary? Hillary is vindictive, bitter, hateful, and so deluded about right wing evil machines and conspiracies you know she will use all the power at her disposal so cleverly set up by Obama against all her enemies and those who dare disagree. Dissent, it will become evident, is no longer the highest form of patriotism.

Hillary IS a tyrant. She has zero reason or intent to restrain herself. Why should she? She's blatantly guilty of horrendous corruption, abuse of power, violation of secrecy laws, and many more things. Her actions caused the death of at least that ambassadorial staff.

She's utterly without pity or remorse and being elected will prove to her that there are no consequences to her actions. She will have objective, absolute proof that she can do anything, anything and never pay a price.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 21, 2016 02:16 PM (39g3+)

294 @70: "Every single step in our descent has been openly accomplished, in many
cases with ample time - generations, some times - for a
reaction/correction to occur.
... And - nothing."

Everyone claims to be a patriot until the time comes to actually do patriot stuff. Per Douglas Murray - most people prefer security and their comforts to freedom.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at March 21, 2016 02:16 PM (rznWS)

295 Posted by: Don Quixote at March 21, 2016 02:14 PM (RK8AH)

Not to defend the press but if a claim is corroborated by multiple sources, it gets printed and turns out to be a lie should the reporter be sued or those who corroborated?

Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 02:16 PM (R5HRU)

296 "Feel morally superior.... as the country gets even worse with President Clinton 2"

Oh, bullshit. Trump routinely loses against Clinton in polling matchups. In the last few months, he's been the ONLY one to lose to her.

Posted by: Apostate at March 21, 2016 02:16 PM (zaVwL)

297 Brooks was lying in his column the other day. He claimed that he and the other elites don't rub elbows with the great unwashed and therefore didn't know how we lowbrows think and what we want. They didn't have that problem when they were choosing the right lies to tell us in 2014 to get us to vote for them.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 21, 2016 02:16 PM (Nwg0u)

298 Uhm... What exactly is it that Obama thinks he can learn from Cuba?

Posted by: Rogland Brostle at March 21, 2016 02:14 PM (ZllM+)

Round prisons for political dissidents with a watch tower in the center. Gives the inmates the feeling big brother is always watching.

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 21, 2016 02:16 PM (t06LC)

299 He's more likely to gut the EPA and destroy rival companies than bother individual citizens.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 21, 2016 02:12 PM (39g3+)

I wouldn't be unhappy with the first, to be sure. As for destroying rival companies- man, I've been in business for a while. Trying to destroy companies is rarely ever wise, in a world where someone else can always pick up the pieces. Even then, has Trump's career been about that? He will try to get land so that he can develop his properties, but can anyone point to when Trump has bent influence to bringing down a competitor?

He has, of course, completely humiliated and discredited our political establishment, but that was mostly by accident. He doesn't have to destroy them, and if anything a Republican/ Clinton consolidation would absolutely benefit Donald Trump's grand strategy of becoming the top of the American establishment while overthrowing the old order.

Posted by: trev006 at March 21, 2016 02:17 PM (MEHba)

300 Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 02:13 PM (xuouz)

No he wanted to expand the libel laws so that he could sue them. Just as he had no problem with the expansion of eminent domain .

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 21, 2016 02:17 PM (2d71x)

301
What exactly is it that Obama thinks this country can learn from Cuba?

Some killer Mambo moves?

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 21, 2016 02:17 PM (lKyWE)

302 Am I missing something here?
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at March 21, 2016 02:13 PM (XdbLA)

No. Trump critics will say or believe anything to discredit the man. They think that after 9 months of campaigning and winning votes the guy is a fake. They think he would have the gall to just go "THE RING IS MINE MUAHAHA" and be a tyrant in the White House.

They're scared and they won't accept that the weapon they called for has come in this form. That might require them to actually wield it.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 02:17 PM (xuouz)

303 How do amass a $900M fortune while destroying your country. That is the lesson.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 21, 2016 02:14 PM (0LHZx)

While lecturing us on how we're not paying our fair share

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 21, 2016 02:17 PM (493sH)

304 Larry Elder had a great quote subbing for Prager today. The devil you know versus the devil you don't know. He KNOWS what Hilary is going to bring, Trump? While FAR from his preference at least is a wildcard. Which counts for something.

Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 02:18 PM (R5HRU)

305 The idea of a Trump dragging reporters into court actually appeals to me, even if its petty nuisance lawsuits.

And don't tell me reporters don't engage in libel all the time, remember Dan Rather? he was major anchor and sacrificed his career over a stupid story that he knew was bullshit.

You don't think some bullshit AP reporter does this all the time to make their case or help their cause?

Posted by: Pomo at March 21, 2016 02:18 PM (bytzL)

306 Either he's in it to win it, or he's toast. Nobody would EVER buy anything he's selling ever again.
Am I missing something here?
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at March 21, 2016 02:13 PM (XdbLA)

If he tries his hardest and loses - that's fine - his supporters can appreciate that he fought for them.

If he plays turncoat, then his name becomes less than mud. He'll become the Benedict Arnold of our age.

People who think Trump is merely a conman don't recognize the costs he's paid to play.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 02:18 PM (uURQL)

307 Folks like Brooks, Will, and Lowry can't help but come across as pussies, as that is what they are. They aren't intellectual in the slightest. If you want to credibly oppose Trump, send out folks who don't sound like pussies.

Posted by: ejo at March 21, 2016 02:18 PM (il4FI)

308 How about his petty lawsuits against reporters who disagree with him? It is chilling to say the least, and the mark of an authoritarian mindset.
___
Lawsuit you say...not club fed? I think you've missed the boat on that one friend.

Posted by: Dinesh D'Souza at March 21, 2016 02:18 PM (pibXr)

309 Regardless of who wins this election, there's going to be actual, honest to goodness violence in the streets.

Gonna start before the election, I fear. I'm certain. I hope I'm wrong but in the last 20 years or so I've learned not to hope.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 21, 2016 02:19 PM (39g3+)

310 1. Dude, the man has praised dictators, has warmly received praise from dictators, and has said some creepily authoritarian things like "rough up the protestors" and "let's revise the libel laws". I don't know how much more you need.
2. His flexibility is borne of his lack of any inner conviction or principle. It's not like he has this firm belief in strict constitutional conservatism or anything. If he does, he is doing a good job of hiding it because he hardly ever mentions the Constitution in any of his rallies. I honestly don't think he would let the Constitution stand in his way of his goals.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:02 PM (+Fl7e)

The Left has been playing no-holds-barred for years, from using the IRS against us to mau-mauing demonstrations to threatening small business people's livelihoods, and some of you want to tut-tut about the Marquess Of Queensberry rules.

It's time for our own Political Streetfighter.

For the record, I prefer Cruz, but I will back The Donald against the Commiecrats in November.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 21, 2016 02:19 PM (ujg0T)

311 "it doesn't matter what you say about him. There's nothing a bunch of stuffy establishment conservatives can say about Trump that has any chance of reflecting more poorly on his character than do the things that come out of his own mouth each and every time he takes the stage!"

Posted by: zerohedge at March 21, 2016 02:19 PM (j2xmV)

312 No he wanted to expand the libel laws so that he could sue them. Just as he had no problem with the expansion of eminent domain.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 21, 2016 02:17 PM (2d71x)

Right, expand them so that journalists aren't exempted from libel laws.

Truly the man is a rorschach test

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 02:19 PM (xuouz)

313 How do amass a $900M fortune while destroying your country. That is the lesson.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 21, 2016 02:14 PM (0LHZx)

Pffft. Pikers.

Posted by: Hillary! 2016 Barking For Us at March 21, 2016 02:20 PM (8ZskC)

314 Posted by: Pomo at March 21, 2016 02:18 PM (bytzL)

I think they should be fired. If people can prove they lost out on business opportunities or lost wages/jobs because of what they said knowingly was a lie then yeah they should be sued.

Once you head down that path the further you get the more the press is suppressed.

Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 02:20 PM (R5HRU)

315 " They ought to be frightened, but they probably lack the sense."

---------------------
They are frightened. What do you think #NeverTrump is all about.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 21, 2016 02:20 PM (5GODt)

316 Not to defend the press but if a claim is corroborated by multiple sources, it gets printed and turns out to be a lie should the reporter be sued or those who corroborated?
___
That's right, both my daughter and then rest of the people that created these fake documents at Texas Democrats HQ claim Bush dodged the draft.

Posted by: Dan Rather at March 21, 2016 02:20 PM (pibXr)

317 *hic*

Posted by: Hillary! 2016 Barking For Us at March 21, 2016 02:20 PM (8ZskC)

318 Posted by: Pomo at March 21, 2016 02:18 PM (bytzL)

You have to have respect for all of the Constitution not just the parts you like.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 21, 2016 02:21 PM (2d71x)

319 So will he put people in camps or use the Obama structure to create a police force in America or turn the IRS against people, or begin using the justice department to sue and arrest people he disagrees with? Not Trump, its not about ideology.

He's more likely to gut the EPA and destroy rival companies than bother individual citizens.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 21, 2016 02:12 PM (39g3+)

I agree with using the government against people, but camps? I don't know. That's like a war time or extermination thing right?

Posted by: Draki at March 21, 2016 02:21 PM (zQ60W)

320 Sup CT, missed you in the thread this morning. It's been a weird, kind of thin day of commenting.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 02:21 PM (xuouz)

321 Everyone claims to be a patriot until the time comes to actually do patriot stuff. Per Douglas Murray - most people prefer security and their comforts to freedom.
Posted by: FaCubeItches at March 21, 2016 02:16 PM (rznWS)

---------------------

The illusion of comfort and security WILL be our downfall. The government has been very successful in this effort.

Just ask someone getting into their brand new car if they'd be willing to sacrifice that and go into harm's way.

Posted by: Soona at March 21, 2016 02:22 PM (Fmupd)

322 @80: "What does happen when Trump wins?

Since 95% of the "right wing" writers and pundits will be
indistinguishable from the left wing ones, they will become superfluous."

They'll just turn their coats and keep right on going as before.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at March 21, 2016 02:22 PM (rznWS)

323 most people prefer security and their comforts to freedom.

That's always been true, but "most" has moved heavily in the more direction over the last 50 years. In the Founding Fathers' time, 10-20% really fought for freedom and maybe 30% really supported it. Today you're lucky if you can find 2% that will fight for it, let alone die for it.

Someone like Patrick Henry would be hauled off in shackles to a psychiatric ward today.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 21, 2016 02:22 PM (39g3+)

324 I agree with using the government against people, but camps? I don't know. That's like a war time or extermination thing right?
___
How else do you think you get fundamental change?

Posted by: Bill Ayers at March 21, 2016 02:22 PM (pibXr)

325 People who think Trump is merely a conman don't recognize the costs he's paid to play.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely

I can agree with this analysis.

I really can't think of anyone that's put basically everything they hold dear in a single election.

If Trump loses, I don't see a viable path for him career wise outside of being a talking head, and even then, Fox News isn't going to hire him.

Posted by: Pomo at March 21, 2016 02:22 PM (bytzL)

326 Fredo praised "Cuban's passion for Liberty"?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 02:22 PM (mw8Dm)

327 ...What exactly is it that Obama thinks this country can learn from Cuba?...

How to make an old car last?

Posted by: scorcard at March 21, 2016 02:23 PM (Bbcs8)

328 If he plays turncoat, then his name becomes less than mud. He'll become the Benedict Arnold of our age.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 02:18 PM (uURQL)

I can't stand the people who assert that Trump supporters will mindlessly follow him to amnesty and globalism. It's the same kind of flaw that led the establishment to believe that killing Bin Laden was a huge victory against terrorism. Nothing could lead to political violence faster than its legitimate political leaders being 100% subverted.

Posted by: trev006 at March 21, 2016 02:23 PM (MEHba)

329
I also want to be able to flutter my arms and fly. I wonder, who will get their wish first?

Posted by: SaltyDonnie at March 21, 2016 02:12 PM (i6shs)
________________________________

Hey,, you're just trolling me now aren't you?

Posted by: Michelle Fields at March 21, 2016 02:23 PM (HSmrB)

330 missed you in the thread this morning. It's been a weird, kind of thin day of commenting.

Been busy writing. I'm taking a bit of a break right now.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 21, 2016 02:23 PM (39g3+)

331 Not to defend the press but if a claim is corroborated by multiple sources,

All too often it isn't 'corroborated' by multiple sources. Instead it is repeated by multiple outlets while coming from one, or two sources who feed the same storyline to a media person. Sources who are not independent, but are themselves collaborating to get a story in the news media.

Posted by: Rogland Brostle at March 21, 2016 02:23 PM (ZllM+)

332 Oh I know. But I think it's fair to say that Trump is the one that most of the racists on the right, such as the alt-right crowd, are most excited about because Trump plays to their racist fears of the scary brown and yellow people harming the good white people's way of life in America.

Given how the Left is playing "identity politics", and backing goons like the New Black Panthers or the Brown Berets, or MEChA, why do you tut-tut about the inevitable backlash?

Really, you might as well just capitulate.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 21, 2016 02:23 PM (ujg0T)

333 Oh? Pray tell what law suit is that? Yeah again I did not think so.

I have posted it before:

From 2011:
Donald Trump Loses Libel Lawsuit Over Being Called A 'Millionaire'
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/ donald-trump-loses-libel-lawsuit-232923

Painting all Trump supporters as racists?

I have gone to great pains to say not *ALL* Trump supporters are racists. You choose to ignore that so that you can remain outraged. That is not my problem.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:23 PM (+Fl7e)

334 "Right, expand them so that journalists aren't exempted from libel laws. "

Nonsense. The press isn't exempt from anything just for being the press. The higher standard of actual malice v. public figures in defamation applies to everyone.

You Trumpite crew are doing a poor job demonstrating that Trumpites aren't ignorant, self-righteous personality cultists.

Posted by: Apostate at March 21, 2016 02:23 PM (zaVwL)

335 Since 95% of the "right wing" writers and pundits will be
indistinguishable from the left wing ones, they will become superfluous."

They'll just turn their coats and keep right on going as before.
***
Unlike most of the media though, conservatives could have a pretty significant effect on "conservative" pundits if we seriously want to. See for example Chuckles Johnson...

Posted by: 18-1 at March 21, 2016 02:23 PM (pibXr)

336 Fidel Castro's net worth is $900 million.

Raul Castro's net worth is $100 million.

The Cuban people live in third-world hellhole.

What exactly is it that Obama thinks this country can learn from Cuba?
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 21, 2016 02:12 PM (4AVeu)

Obama's salary has been $400,000 per year for the past 7 years. His net worth was estimated at $1.7 million in 2007 and is now around $7 million, an increase of 438%.

I guess he's jealous and looking for financial advice.

Posted by: Damiano at March 21, 2016 02:24 PM (XItbt)

337 Brooks is a symptom - or maybe a quack doctor who is misdiagnosing the disease. The militant left is the infection.

Posted by: Qoheleth at March 21, 2016 02:14 PM (iIzG7)

This!

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at March 21, 2016 02:24 PM (QPdNE)

338 Trump! The Last Starfighter. Watch him go all Death Blossom on the ~~Ko-dan Armada~~ Uni-Party.

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 21, 2016 02:24 PM (JO9+V)

339 In a handful of instances among tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of supporters, some relatively minor inappropriate acts took place in the face of great provocation. The MBM has a cow. Meanwhile, #BLM burn buildings, kill cops, loot, and riot and the MBM describes them as "mostly peaceful".

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at March 21, 2016 02:24 PM (Nwg0u)

340 Good estimate, but if this garland guy gets in it might happen faster.

Reminds me, the gun thread has convinced me to get a 1911.-------Draki

While I am skeptical of the GOPe holding the line on him, I think if they will have the spine on it, it will be now.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW PI at March 21, 2016 02:25 PM (1JqUE)

341 #BLM burn buildings, kill cops, loot, and riot and the MBM describes them as "mostly peaceful".
***
They also murdered a guy with a confederate flag...A black guy with a confederate flag.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 21, 2016 02:25 PM (pibXr)

342 You Trumpite crew are doing a poor job demonstrating that Trumpites aren't ignorant, self-righteous personality cultists.

Posted by: Apostate at March 21, 2016 02:23 PM (zaVwL)

And the nominations for the Dale Carnegie Award on this thread are now closed.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 21, 2016 02:25 PM (8ZskC)

343 That's always been true, but "most" has moved heavily in the more direction over the last 50 years. In the Founding Fathers' time, 10-20% really fought for freedom and maybe 30% really supported it. Today you're lucky if you can find 2% that will fight for it, let alone die for it.

Completely predictable when you count the number of Americans imported from Germany, where everything must Be In Order, and other European countries.

I don't know how we unscramble that egg, but at least we can recognize how it got scrambled.

America is not an Immigrant Nation. A fresh off the boat immigrant is not equally American to one who was born and raised here.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 02:25 PM (uURQL)

344 I agree with using the government against people, but camps? I don't know. That's like a war time or extermination thing right?
Posted by: Draki at March 21, 2016 02:21 PM (zQ60W)

---------------

The government could make it sound so very nice sending the older generation to special "health spas" when they become infirm. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Soona at March 21, 2016 02:25 PM (Fmupd)

345 General information for those who tend to shit their pants every time a poll comes out that shows Hillary beating Trump....

Here is the methodology on a recent Emerson College Poll. (this is real - my comments in are bracketed [ ]).

Our first step in weighting is to survey more than enough people. This allows us to then be able to systematically reject individual surveys from demographics that are over represented. Next, survey data is weighted with a 3 point decrease in Conservative opinion and a 3 point increase in Liberal opinion to offset the bias in land line only telephone polls.

[this 6 point spread may have been warranted 10 or 12 years ago, but it sounds ridiculous now]

For the Presidential Polling Initiative the following Methodology will be employed. First, all respondents who did not finish the survey is eliminated, then anyone who finished the survey in under 4 minutes is eliminated (based on 2 standard deviations and length of survey).

[ So if someone takes the survey and knows exactly how they feel about the candidates to the point they can just answer the questions - within two standard deviations of time based on everyone else - their response is tossed out - sounds like they don't want to count anyone but undecideds ]

If respondent said they did not vote in 2012 they are eliminated because prior voting behavior is the best predictor of future voting behaivor.

[wouldn't want any disaffected republicans who just weren't motivated to vote for McCain but now are motivated to be counted]

Finally, using a rim weighting the results are weighted based on 2012 final election returns either nationally or by state depending on the sample and then by region (percentage of electoral vote for each region or total vote if it is a statewide poll).

[Let's make sure to weight today's results to an era when the entire country was mobilized to find every black voter possible, along with every guilt ridden liberal]

Posted by: jwest at March 21, 2016 02:25 PM (Zs4uk)

346 Oh I think Trump will get hired again

The media are whores

Posted by: ThunderB at March 21, 2016 02:26 PM (zOTsN)

347 >>>Obama's salary has been $400,000 per year for the
past 7 years. His net worth was estimated at $1.7 million in 2007 and is
now around $7 million, an increase of 438%.

I guess he's jealous and looking for financial advice.

Posted by: Damiano at March 21, 2016 02:24 PM (XItbt)<<<

Mooch is gonna have to find another $300K no show job at a hospital or something once we get out of the White House. Don't want to be dead broke like the Clintons.

Posted by: SCOAMF at March 21, 2016 02:26 PM (H9MG5)

348 I think they should be fired. If people can prove they lost out on business opportunities or lost wages/jobs because of what they said knowingly was a lie then yeah they should be sued.

Once you head down that path the further you get the more the press is suppressed.
Posted by: thathalfrican

A liberal publication will not hold these people accountable if they "lie" about the tight things, I think monetary damages in some cases makes sense.

Look at Gawker with Hulk Hogan, no one would have ever been "fired" for what they did, it took a $115 million lawsuit to make the point.

At the end of the day, is anyone really afraid that Trump making a point that he's going to use civil libel laws as a weapon is going to bring about the death of free speech?

Seems way overstated, especially since we currently have an Administration that's admitted to having the DOJ look into go after global warming "deniers".

Posted by: Pomo at March 21, 2016 02:26 PM (bytzL)

349 "I can't stand the people who assert that Trump supporters will mindlessly follow him "

You don't have to. Once he's in office, he's in office. He can find a new constituency.

I can't believe you people believe a word that comes out of his mouth. In 2004, he was a John Kerry Democrat. Just a few weeks ago, he walked back his immigration stance. You know, the whole reason he ever had support in the first place?

Posted by: Apostate at March 21, 2016 02:27 PM (zaVwL)

350 >>>People who think Trump is merely a conman don't recognize the costs he's paid to play.

What COSTS?

He's a 70 year old billionaire that bangs hot chicks and does what he wants. He doesn't sell products, or if he does, they fail. His money is already made and safely in stocks and holdings, and what's left of his revenue stream is based on his celebrity image and real estate; things that aren't going to be lost if he fails spectacularly in politics.

What does an elderly man worth 10 billion want 'career paths' for?

Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 02:27 PM (MCmqp)

351 So, the interesting question is, why is David Brooks & Co., Ltd., so clueless?

Posted by: Feh at March 21, 2016 02:27 PM (gcoUL)

352 If Trump loses, I don't see a viable path for him career wise outside of being a talking head, and even then, Fox News isn't going to hire him.
Posted by: Pomo at March 21, 2016 02:22 PM (bytzL)

If he loses, Trump will still be fine if he didn't burn down his reputation. He can still be a trustworthy/sharp dealmaker/promoter.

We'll have more important things to worry about than Trump's welfare at that point though.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 02:28 PM (uURQL)

353 I have gone to great pains to say not *ALL* Trump supporters are racists. You choose to ignore that so that you can remain outraged. That is not my problem.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:23 PM (+Fl7e)

I'm not even a Trump supporter, but You certainly did paint Trump and his supporter as racists just like all good little democrats do and you made it clear who you are voting for...so run along and play with your left wing friends

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 02:28 PM (mw8Dm)

354 As someone who is pondering the no Trump it's becoming I'm not sure I want any part of what he's about. And the protests are not about Trump, its leftists doing leftists acts.

Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2016 02:28 PM (fizMZ)

355 That's always been true, but "most" has moved heavily in the more direction over the last 50 years. In the Founding Fathers' time, 10-20% really fought for freedom and maybe 30% really supported it. Today you're lucky if you can find 2% that will fight for it, let alone die for it.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 21, 2016 02:22 PM (39g3+)

And yet people are going to his rallies by the millions.

And yet people counter protest the protesters.

And yet this kid is speaking his piece:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Nw405j2hOQ

They're out there. There are more good people than bad. A decentralized system wouldn't work, else. And we know it does.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 02:29 PM (xuouz)

356 Trump has released the names of his foreign policy advisers during a Washington Post op-ed board meeting. LINK at Drudge.

Senator Sessions leads the list, with several other well-known names on the panel.

Posted by: mrp at March 21, 2016 02:29 PM (JBggj)

357
Obama's salary has been $400,000 per year for the past 7 years. His net worth was estimated at $1.7 million in 2007 and is now around $7 million, an increase of 438%.
I guess he's jealous and looking for financial advice.
Posted by: Damiano

He can take a cue for Bill and Hill and create the Obama Foundation next year. That ought to be good for a cool billion.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 21, 2016 02:29 PM (FkBIv)

358 "The idea of a Trump dragging reporters into court actually appeals to me, even if its petty nuisance lawsuits."

-----------------
Journolisters were not reporters they were/are an organized propaganda outlet. They crossed the line. Set out to propagandize the news. They should be sued.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 21, 2016 02:29 PM (5GODt)

359 Posted by: Pomo at March 21, 2016 02:26 PM (bytzL)

Didn't read it but I saw a headline stating that Hogan knew he was being videotaped, be interesting to see how that plays out.

Anyway, Obama proved that he can do anything, well almost, with his pen and a phone. He set a dangerous precedent for someone who also doesn't care about rule of law or the constitution. I'm not saying Trump is that man, but if he is - or anyone on our side-, I don't want him abusing that same power for "our side". We're fucking better than the Left.

Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 02:29 PM (R5HRU)

360 I can't believe you people believe a word that comes
out of his mouth. In 2004, he was a John Kerry Democrat. Just a few
weeks ago, he walked back his immigration stance. You know, the whole
reason he ever had support in the first place?

Posted by: Apostate at March 21, 2016 02:27 PM (zaVwL)

What do you mean, you people?

Posted by: Count de Monet, the dude playing the other dude at March 21, 2016 02:29 PM (JO9+V)

361 What does an elderly man worth 10 billion want 'career paths' for?
Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 02:27 PM (MCmqp)

Why did the Rockefellers and Fords and other super-rich American businessmen do so much philanthropy at the ends of their lives?

Legacy. A name. You can't buy that.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 02:29 PM (uURQL)

362 Question for the old timers, did Lace Wigs, and Machines for Sale use ALL CAPS in their spam?

Posted by: Rogland Brostle at March 21, 2016 02:29 PM (ZllM+)

363 Once you head down that path the further you get the more the press is suppressed.

Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 02:20 PM (R5HRU)

What needs to happen is that there once more needs to be a divide between News, and Opinion.

Today the media constantly cites opinion, as fact... they no longer differentiate between the two in what are supposed to be hard news stories.

Posted by: Don Quixote at March 21, 2016 02:29 PM (RK8AH)

364 I've watched Trump on Celebrity Apprentice for years.
The man is a blowhard, a giant ego, a huge self-aggrandizer.
But one thing he is not - Donald Trump is NOT a racist.
Anyone on the right pushing the race card on Trump - you are damn fools for shilling leftist propaganda for free.

Posted by: @votermom at March 21, 2016 02:30 PM (E70Gb)

365 If a Reporter LIES, blatantly, in a positive manner, while spinning the story as Fact?

There should be a way to sue.

If they were private citizens, they could be sued.... so why does the Press have a RIGHT to lie?

And please point out where he has ACTUALLY sued a Reporter?

Posted by: Don Quixote at March 21, 2016 02:14 PM (RK8AH)
It is legal to publish lies, you know. Besides, who determines whether a statement is a "lie" or not? Do you want a Ministry of Truth? There is no right to sue someone who publishes lies, unless you can prove that the lies harmed you tangibly in some way. I can state on the Internet that Ace is a hairy Ewok who humps goats, but unless Ace can prove that he was harmed by my lie about him, what I say falls under freedom of speech. I don't think Trump understands that type of argument, nor even cares. He wants to use the power of the state against people who disagree with him, and I can't support that.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:30 PM (+Fl7e)

366 Posted by: Pomo at March 21, 2016 02:26 PM (bytzL)

Once again, he did not say he would use the laws to sue for libel. He said he would expand the laws to be able to sue for libel. Hope you see the difference.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 21, 2016 02:30 PM (2d71x)

367 Legacy. A name. You can't buy that.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 02:29 PM (uURQL)

LOL well obviously you can

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 02:30 PM (mw8Dm)

368
- most people prefer security and their comforts to freedom. Posted by: FaCubeItches at March 21, 2016 02:16 PM (rznWS)

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary saftey deserve neither liberty or saftey.
Benjamin Franklin

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 21, 2016 02:31 PM (lKyWE)

369 Posted by: jwest at March 21, 2016 02:25 PM

That's pretty interesting. A house of cards built upon assumptions.

Breitbart did an article a couple of days ago about Reagan in 1980, and how the polls dismissed him in March of that year, and the gop establishment began to plot against him.

As has been said many times before, those who do not learn from history are destined to annoy the hell out of the rest of us.

Posted by: mega machines at March 21, 2016 02:31 PM (fbovC)

370 "America is not an Immigrant Nation. A fresh off the boat immigrant is not equally American to one who was born and raised here."

Agreed. Being a melting pot has always the point. Got ethnic flavor? Great. Add it to the stew, become part of the stew.

Then came the "tossed salad" metaphor so beloved of the cultural Marxists. Tossed salad means "each ingredient stays itself in the big mix." Which means division, essentially.

A house divided against itself cannot stand.

That is Obama's end game, and all those who agree with him.

Posted by: Feh at March 21, 2016 02:31 PM (gcoUL)

371 >>>>>>Establishment pundits may be suicidal and badly uneducated, but the people who actually run the country are not. Widespread civil disorder isn't the best way for them to maintain their own positions.

On the contrary: Widespread civil disorder is the BEST way for them to maintain their own positions thru the establishment of martial law and the declaration of COG rules. I think a senator would rather cower behind the thin blue line than return home to face judgement at the hands of his riled up neighbors,

Posted by: 7Mike at March 21, 2016 02:31 PM (pxwEr)

372 Posted by: Don Quixote at March 21, 2016 02:29 PM (RK8AH)

Yes news people need to report and not editorialize the news. Opinion makers can spew just that; opinions.

Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 02:32 PM (R5HRU)

373 Legacy. A name. You can't buy that.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 02:29 PM (uURQL)

LOL well obviously you can
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 02:30 PM (mw8Dm)

If that were true, history would only be about the richest person of each era.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 02:32 PM (uURQL)

374
Question for the old timers, did Lace Wigs, and Machines for Sale use ALL CAPS in their spam?

Posted by: Rogland Brostle at March 21, 2016 02:29 PM (ZllM+)
__________________________

Nope

Posted by: Michelle Fields at March 21, 2016 02:32 PM (HSmrB)

375 The illusion of comfort and security WILL be our downfall. The government has been very successful in this effort.

Just ask someone getting into their brand new car if they'd be willing to sacrifice that and go into harm's way.
Posted by: Soona at March 21, 2016 02:22 PM (Fmupd)

__

This is why the libertarian movement never got anywhere. It's hard to convince that new car owner** that govt is too powerful.

** not that he actually owns the car given he has a payment, but I digress

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 21, 2016 02:32 PM (0LHZx)

376 >>The rise of any political movement is more importantly the story of the
fall of another; the rise of any class is more importantly the failure
of another.<<

And yet just about every day you devote a fair amount of your time trying to stomp on the rising class.

You might not like Trump, his ascension, his seeming hypocrisy or conversion you've written of to "politics", but he's grasped the imagination of many people who are tired of being lied to, used as political pawns, useful idiots and a money pot for the giant clown car that is Washington. It's really not that hard, nor does it require a lot of imagination to figure out why people overlook his alleged "gaffes", flaws and dissembling. Nobody doubts that if he does at least 50% of what he's stated, we'll start to turn the worm, back in the other direction.

I'm not currently voting for Trump, but I'll have no problem voting for him in the general. I'll also have no problem leaving and helping to put the final nail in the Republican Party if something less than reputable, which is currently being suggested, is done to "steal" the nomination from him. I can think of nothing that will make the electorate more angry.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 21, 2016 02:32 PM (O0lVq)

377 I can agree with this analysis.

I really can't think of anyone that's put basically everything they hold dear in a single election.

If Trump loses, I don't see a viable path for him career wise outside of being a talking head, and even then, Fox News isn't going to hire him.
Posted by: Pomo at March 21, 2016 02:22 PM (bytzL)

Hmmm...

He still has all his assets, less a less than 1% investment of cash. For that investment, he's received multiple headlines per hour. 24/7 in every form of media across the world for the past 12 months or so. Cable news revenues alone, whenever they say his name or put him on, break records. He's increased his exposure around the world by orders of magnitude. Every time he or Fox "argue", both entities get vast increases in viewers.

If you think that Trump is losing money on this deal currently or has no future if he loses, you haven't been paying attention to this election or to the past 30 years of compounded revenues of the WWE or reality TV.

Posted by: Damiano at March 21, 2016 02:32 PM (XItbt)

378 You don't have to. Once he's in office, he's in office. He can find a new constituency.

Posted by: Apostate at March 21, 2016 02:27 PM (zaVwL)

This isn't even plausible by Internet argument standards! Both sides of the political establishment aren't violently opposed to him because he's just so malleable. Do you think after he beats organized Soros-sponsored violence, most of Congress, and the entire media he'll just be Orange Marco Rubio?

You could make a case saying he'd take it too far in the other direction, becoming an American Napoleon, but the problem there is how many people will go for that.

Posted by: trev006 at March 21, 2016 02:32 PM (MEHba)

379 I can't believe you people believe a word that comes out of his mouth. In 2004, he was a John Kerry Democrat. Just a few weeks ago, he walked back his immigration stance. You know, the whole reason he ever had support in the first place?
Posted by: Apostate

Can't you say the same about Ted Cruz? The guy was crafting a plan to give legalization to basically all illegals, that was his big area of disagreement with Gang of 8. Legalization vs citizenship.

Then Kasich says he will legalize them his first 100 days, and Cruz followers act like it's something different than what "their" guy has been pushing.

I honestly trust a liar like Trump will do something about this than the others.

I'm not a Trump apologist, I have big problems with him, but for the last 30 years he has been preaching an "America First" ideology similar to Pat Buchanan. I think he genuinely believes in it.

Posted by: Pomo at March 21, 2016 02:32 PM (bytzL)

380 I can't believe you people believe a word that comes out of his mouth. In 2004, he was a John Kerry Democrat. Just a few weeks ago, he walked back his immigration stance. You know, the whole reason he ever had support in the first place?
Posted by: Apostate at March 21, 2016 02:27 PM (zaVwL)

re: John Kerry, he was? bzfd.it/1Rvy4l2
re: immigratoin walkback, he did? Could you cite that? Do you mean over visas, because he put out a correction after the visa answer at the debate.

Your stance is in search of facts to support it.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 02:33 PM (xuouz)

381 Given how the Left is playing "identity politics", and backing goons
like the New Black Panthers or the Brown Berets, or MEChA, why do you
tut-tut about the inevitable backlash?

Because I don't favor left-wing racism NOR right-wing racism?

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:33 PM (+Fl7e)

382
Once again, he did not say he would use the laws to sue for libel. He said he would expand the laws to be able to sue for libel. Hope you see the difference.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 21, 2016 02:30 PM (2d71x)

Its also impossible for what he wants to do (being president) as those are state laws and there is absolutely no intersection there... but whatever.

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 21, 2016 02:33 PM (t06LC)

383 The press isn't exempt from anything just for being the press.

Actually, the press does get more protection in courts than Joe Average. That's probably due to a combination of the 1st amendment and an aggregate of really high end lawyers winning casts that set precedent.

And yet people are going to his rallies by the millions.

Yeah, but there's no cost there. People can go yell yay for free, and go home to watch Netflix while they text on their phones. Actually fighting for freedom, sacrificing, facing real danger of losing employment, imprisonment, personal harm, or even death? That's another story.

People won't even seriously consider a 1 week general strike to make a point to the nation about makers vs takers. Totally blown off. I might lose my job. Someone might be mean to me

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 21, 2016 02:34 PM (39g3+)

384 Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:07 PM (+Fl7e)

...wears rose colored glasses, and lives in vanilla town.

Posted by: concrete girl at March 21, 2016 02:34 PM (ceWrl)

385 So if Merrick withdraws, can SCOAMF still do the recess appointment thing for SC?

Posted by: Tilikum KAW PI at March 21, 2016 02:35 PM (1JqUE)

386 The government could make it sound so very nice sending the older generation to special "health spas" when they become infirm. Just sayin'.
Posted by: Soona at March 21, 2016 02:25 PM (Fmupd)

Maybe later, probably more like letting the old die once the health care boards decide it's time to let them go and refuse govt medical care to them.

Posted by: Draki at March 21, 2016 02:35 PM (zQ60W)

387 What's interesting to watch is the shifting dynamic. The left has always taken the position that it is allowed to say anything at all, no mater how hyperbolic or nasty, and the right is supposed to play the role of squeaky clean hall monitor who is not allowed to say "darn" or "shoot" aloud, like we're Ned Flanders' kids or something. No rules for them, lots of rules for us.

Now we've seen the institutional Republicans basically acknowledge this -- extremism by leftists is not a problem worth mentioning, but people on our side can't be allowed to express the idea that unfettered illegal immigration might invite in some bad actors. People like Brooks say, in effect, it's OK for BLM to say "I hate white people," but these Tea Party types cross the line when they express skepticism that perhaps there may be one or two Muslims in the world who mean to do us harm.

Posted by: Brewdog at March 21, 2016 02:35 PM (F+bI6)

388 Because I don't favor left-wing racism NOR right-wing racism?
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:33 PM (+Fl7e)

You have no power to stop left-wing racism.

Right ring "racism" is the logical response to left-wing racism and to stop it ... but you don't want that.

So you'll get left-wing racism, as much as you can bear.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 02:35 PM (uURQL)

389 If you think that Trump is losing money on this deal currently or has no future if he loses, you haven't been paying attention to this election or to the past 30 years of compounded revenues of the WWE or reality TV.
Posted by: Damiano

We'll see, but he lost his contract with NBC over his stance on illegal immigration and he has to know that any outlet that partners with him will have hell rained down on them after this campaign.

If this election was all about his career, it's an awfully stupid way for a billionaire to try and make more money. He would have made far more just being a comfortable celebrity.

Posted by: Pomo at March 21, 2016 02:35 PM (bytzL)

390 If that were true, history would only be about the richest person of each era.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 02:32 PM (uURQL)

So I guess you never heard of guys named Rockefeller or Roosevelt?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 02:35 PM (mw8Dm)

391 "What does an elderly man worth 10 billion want 'career paths' for?"

He doesn't that's why when he says he wants to stop the rip-off of America, like he's been saying for the last thirty years, it means something.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 21, 2016 02:35 PM (5GODt)

392 Then came the "tossed salad" metaphor so beloved of the cultural Marxists. Tossed salad means "each ingredient stays itself in the big mix." Which means division, essentially.

A house divided against itself cannot stand.

That is Obama's end game, and all those who agree with him.

Posted by: Feh at March 21, 2016 02:31 PM (gcoUL)

I bet Obama knows a thing or two about "tossing salads" IYKWIMAITHYD.

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 21, 2016 02:35 PM (t06LC)

393 brewdog has the fu

Posted by: Feh at March 21, 2016 02:36 PM (gcoUL)

394 The guy who hates left wing racism is perfectly happy to put hillary in the White House.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 02:37 PM (mw8Dm)

395 Posted by: Pomo at March 21, 2016 02:22 PM (bytzL)

What do you consider to be the largest money maker at the lowest cost over the shortest period of time?
- Trump Steaks
- Trump University
- Trump Clothing
- Trump Casinos
- Over 12 months of 24/7 coverage from every type of media around the globe with multiple new headlines every hour for a cost of less than 1% of net cash assets, subsidized by donations.

Posted by: Damiano at March 21, 2016 02:37 PM (XItbt)

396 Its also impossible for what he wants to do (being
president) as those are state laws and there is absolutely no
intersection there... but whatever.

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 21, 2016 02:33 PM (t06LC)
Which is another very disturbing thing about Trump. He really doesn't seem to care about the division of power between states and the federal government. A Tenther he is not. Recall earlier where he said he wanted to use the death penalty on all the cop killers? Never mind of course that these are state-level crimes at most and the feds don't get involved unless it is the murder of a federal agent. Does Trump even notice these types of differences?

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:37 PM (+Fl7e)

397 Maybe later, probably more like letting the old die once the health care boards decide it's time to let them go and refuse govt medical care to them.

"We're so sorry, but evil medical companies are hoarding all the good treatments and just can't help your old dad. Vote for more government power to fight evil businesses, and also vote for more taxes so we can buy more medical care."

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 02:37 PM (uURQL)

398 "Can't you say the same about Ted Cruz?"

No.

"The guy was crafting a plan to give legalization to basically all illegals, that was his big area of disagreement with Gang of 8. Legalization vs citizenship."

Bullshit. This is Rubio propaganda you swallowed hook, line, and sinker. Not even making this up, the political crowd called them out on it and took it apart within days. Look it up.

"Then Kasich says he will legalize them his first 100 days, and Cruz followers act like it's something different than what "their" guy has been pushing."

It is.

"I honestly trust a liar like Trump"

Then you're a fool.

Posted by: Apostate at March 21, 2016 02:37 PM (zaVwL)

399 People here, including myself, have been making the point Reynolds just made for months. Brooks, McConnell, Boehner and others gave birth to Trump. They don't care about conservative priorities, or at best gave lip service to them, so conservatives and the disenfranchised looked elsewhere for solutions, and they turned to Trump. I guess desperate times call for desperate measures.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 21, 2016 02:37 PM (TJCSB)

400 I can't believe you people believe a word that comes out of his mouth.

Nobody believes a word out of any politician's mouth. Its just that Trump is willing to say "UP YOURS" to the politically correct, the habitually offended, and the priggish elite. And that's refreshing and welcome. This isn't about "whoo he's our hero that will fix it all!" because he isn't and he can't.

This is about kicking David Brooks and President Obama and Jeb Bush and pajama boy right in the furry mangerines.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 21, 2016 02:37 PM (39g3+)

401 >>>Legacy. A name. You can't buy that.

He's 70 years old and has been a pop-culture figure for almost 30. I think his legacy is pretty much set now.

Hard to think of a guy's enduring legacy after I watched him go on TV and shave Vince MacMahon bald. Then take the worst Stone Cold Stunner ever.

Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 02:38 PM (MCmqp)

402 Posted by: @votermom at March 21, 2016 02:30 PM (E70Gb)

I totally agree Trump is not an overt racist. What Trump is in my opinion is what every white liberal is. A person who believes he is superior to everyone else. They profess to be champions for minorities but that is based on their internal belief that the minority is unequal / less capable thus deserved of their charity and goodwill.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 21, 2016 02:38 PM (2d71x)

403 Don't look at me, I gave the Horde Kate Upton in a bunny outfit.

You ungrateful, undeserving louts.

Posted by: alexthechick - Secretary of Tits at March 21, 2016 01:58 PM (mf5HN)

I'm grateful. Let me know when you produce the output of Compliance (boobage) pics I provide nightly on the ONT

Posted by: kbdabear at March 21, 2016 02:38 PM (9hVWo)

404 brewdog has the fu
Posted by: Feh at March 21, 2016 02:36 PM (gcoUL)

Hiiiii-YAH

Haaaaaaawwwww

*fistbump*

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 02:38 PM (xuouz)

405 Calling out racism is a total leftist argument, falling into that is playing along with them.

Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2016 02:38 PM (fizMZ)

406 so Fidel Castro's net worth is approx 900 million?

Posted by: Feh at March 21, 2016 02:39 PM (gcoUL)

407 Christopher Taylor at March 21, 2016 02:34 PM

One of the many things that bothered me about that Arizona protest that blocked the road was no one turned around and went the other way. They all just stopped and stood there. No one drove along the shoulder. There was one vehicle that pushed through the crowd.

The Police made no effort to route people around the obstruction.

They all just stood there like sheep.

Posted by: Rogland Brostle at March 21, 2016 02:39 PM (ZllM+)

408 Please Quit Giving Brooks Ink! ANY Ink!! Thanx in advance.

Posted by: yakimaal at March 21, 2016 02:39 PM (26lZw)

409 I forgot to add Bill Kristol to the list of Washington pussies who need to shut up and step aside for someone with a nanogram of testosterone.

Posted by: ejo at March 21, 2016 02:39 PM (il4FI)

410 I think it was JFK who said something like those who make peaceful change impossible make violent change inevitable.

I still think, and I certainly hope, that we can get through the next few years with out things getting violent but I no longer think that the possibility is all that far fetched.

I have read about the series of screw ups by people who should have known better that led to World War 1. None of the people responsible for causing that catastrophe had any idea of the forces they were setting in motion.

I believe that our current ruling class is even more blinkered and myopic than the ruling classes of Europe a hundred years ago.

Posted by: obnoxious ahole at March 21, 2016 02:39 PM (MpvuV)

411 Posted by: Feh at March 21, 2016 02:31 PM (gcoUL)

------------------

As I said earlier, this nation is split. And the chasm is both deep and wide. There will be no reconciliation this time around.

I predict chaos and turmoil until there's an official separation. And even then, there's no assurance that it'll ever be peaceful again in our lifetimes.

The damage has been done.

Posted by: Soona at March 21, 2016 02:39 PM (Fmupd)

412 Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:30 PM (+Fl7e)

Actually.... no...

If you write something as a private citizen, and its a known lie, written with the intent to harm...

I can sue you for Libel.... if there are concrete damages.

The problem is the Press is not held to that standard...

Posted by: Don Quixote at March 21, 2016 02:39 PM (RK8AH)

413 "Hillary is going to beat Trump, no matter how deluded this echo chamber is."

No, she won't.

Posted by: Feh at March 21, 2016 02:40 PM (gcoUL)

414 I love this...just looked at the headlines at another site, who's initials are Hot Air, and of the 10 headlines, 9 contain the name Trump.
Just love it!!!!
Pass the popcorn!

Posted by: Diogenes at March 21, 2016 02:40 PM (r65B3)

415 Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 02:35 PM (uURQL)

I have no individual power to stop either left-wing racism or right-wing racism, you are right. I seek only to marginalize both types of racism, not to pour fuel on one side of the fire in some futile attempt to offset the burning fire on the other side.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:40 PM (+Fl7e)

416 What exactly is it that Obama thinks this country can learn from Cuba?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at March 21, 2016 02:12 PM (4AVeu)

What it's like to be farmed by your "leaders".

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has the Asbestos Undershorts You Need for Your Internet Flame-Wars! at March 21, 2016 02:41 PM (hLRSq)

417 If you write something as a private citizen, and its a known lie, written with the intent to harm...

I can sue you for Libel.... if there are concrete damages.

IIRC, not true. You have to *prove* that you suffered damages, not just that the writer wrote something with the intent to harm.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:41 PM (+Fl7e)

418 "I believe that our current ruling class is even more blinkered and myopic than the ruling classes of Europe a hundred years ago."

Yes, and the question is why.

I think Charles Murray has some persuasive answers in his book Coming Apart.

Posted by: Feh at March 21, 2016 02:41 PM (gcoUL)

419 There are states who if Barak brought back Castro and he ran as a Democrat they would vote for him.

Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2016 02:42 PM (fizMZ)

420 Right wing racism? Hum I bet the dems have some interesting definitions for that? Better ask our resident democrat ha

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 02:42 PM (mw8Dm)

421 We'll see, but he lost his contract with NBC over his stance on illegal immigration and he has to know that any outlet that partners with him will have hell rained down on them after this campaign.

Bullshit. Pure unadulterated bullshit. The network could not continue to employ him without providing 'equal time' to about a dozen and a half other candidates. How can you fall for such bullshit so easily?

Posted by: mega machines at March 21, 2016 02:42 PM (fbovC)

422 Once again, he did not say he would use the laws to sue for libel. He said he would expand the laws to be able to sue for libel. Hope you see the difference.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck

Okay, but other countries like the UK don't give nearly the shielding to the press we do for things like "defamation" But it's not like writers go into gulags over there.

If Trump wants to pass a law through Congress that is less forgiving to the press when it crosses the line (and you think the courts will go along with it) and that's your big worry, I think it's incredibly minor.

It's simply a shot across the bow that maybe people quoting him will do a little extra due dilligence. It's the equivalent of working the ref.

Maybe Dan rather would have thought twice had he known Bush would be willing to drag him into Court for a false report?

Posted by: Pomo at March 21, 2016 02:42 PM (bytzL)

423 Actually fighting for freedom, sacrificing, facing real danger of losing employment, imprisonment, personal harm, or even death? That's another story.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 21, 2016 02:34 PM (39g3+)

Fighting means hurting, Chris. Even people who are good at fighting don't particularly like hurting others. If they don't have to. Are we there yet? I think people put up a lot with inertia, but today alone Obama partied with the Castros and testimony was clear that our immigration system is a complete joke.

It can't last forever, but that only means the reaction will be brutal even by my standards.

Posted by: trev006 at March 21, 2016 02:42 PM (MEHba)

424 No enemies to the right. Punch back twice as hard.

Posted by: Chris M at March 21, 2016 02:42 PM (k3w9p)

425 He's 70 years old and has been a pop-culture figure for almost 30. I think his legacy is pretty much set now.

Hard to think of a guy's enduring legacy after I watched him go on TV and shave Vince MacMahon bald. Then take the worst Stone Cold Stunner ever.
Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 02:38 PM (MCmqp)

And he has put that likeable reality TV star legacy at risk right now.

If he plays turncoat, he becomes a household curse word.

Just by being the frontrunner GOP candidate, he's already become Hitler to the Left half of America, and those slings and arrows won't let up as the campaign season finishes, or if he gains the presidency.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 02:42 PM (uURQL)

426 >>"Hillary is going to beat Trump, no matter how deluded this echo chamber is."
<<

I'm a Cruz supporter and don't even think that.

There is a lot of ground between the election and now. There are also potential indictments and, frankly, incitements between now and then.

If you believe people are going to stand around with their hands in their pockets this time, you may want to think again.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 21, 2016 02:43 PM (O0lVq)

427 ...so why does the Press have a RIGHT to lie? ...

Lawyer on retainer. Judge in their pocket. News outlets ready to lie on their behalf. Government agency backing. Chamber of Commerce. Follow the money and political power.

Posted by: scorcard at March 21, 2016 02:43 PM (Bbcs8)

428 It can't last forever, but that only means the reaction will be brutal even by my standards.
Posted by: trev006 at March 21, 2016 02:42 PM (MEHba)

Will it be brutal by Civil War standards?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 02:43 PM (uURQL)

429 "I'm not currently voting for Trump,"

-------------
And with all due respect, you are voting for the establishment at this point if you don't vote for Trump.

Cruz has no path to the nomination but through convention shenanigans. If he arrives at the convention at all he will have far less delegates than Trump. No way in hell they give it to Cruz.

Cruz had his chance and lost the south, Virginia, Florida, Nevada, Ohio, and Michigan among others. He's a spoiler now and working for the establishment.

It's Trump or bust now.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 21, 2016 02:43 PM (5GODt)

430 I refuse to use the "T" word. (Yes, I guess that could be construed as either "Ted" or "Trump" ... so I'll leave that to your imagination.) But, we are in deep, deep poo-poo. We are going to get our silly heads handed to us on a platter. No doubt about it. (Hey! You fools down there at the end of the hall, sitting in the shadows, pressing your buzzers even though no one responds, until it's too late, wake up and do jihad!)

Posted by: goon at March 21, 2016 02:43 PM (gy5kE)

431 OT - there is a Better Call Saul marathon starting next

Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2016 02:43 PM (fizMZ)

432 No one drove along the shoulder. There was one vehicle that pushed through the crowd.

The Police made no effort to route people around the obstruction.

They all just stood there like sheep.

Yeah, its a sad statement of modern Americans.

Hillary is going to beat Trump, no matter how deluded this echo chamber is.

I expect Hillary to win no matter who runs against her. The machine is too big, the culture too rotted, and the deck too stacked in the press and popular culture.

Then, God help us all.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 21, 2016 02:44 PM (39g3+)

433 So as is being shown clear, there are a lot of people who actually want Trump because he genuinely represents what they stand for, at least as far as his authoritarian attitude towards the press is concerned. They WANT petty lawsuits against the press and they WANT to "open up the libel laws" which would do a great deal towards silencing speech in this country... Who do you think in general is more savvy at using the courts to harass their enemies, the left or the right? If Trump (and his supporters in this cause) got their way and the libel laws were "opened up", who do you think would be the first targets of such attacks? Hint: it wouldn't be the NY Times.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:44 PM (+Fl7e)

434 ...so why does the Press have a RIGHT to lie? ...

Lawyer on retainer. Judge in their pocket. News outlets ready to lie on their behalf. Government agency backing. Chamber of Commerce. Follow the money and political power.
Posted by: scorcard at March 21, 2016 02:43 PM (Bbcs

So you're saying it's a professional courtesy from the professional liar politican class? (but I repeat myself)

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 02:44 PM (uURQL)

435 " those slings and arrows won't let up as the campaign season finishes, or if he gains the presidency."

true, which is why it's important to follow the money, identify the flows, and starve the Uniparty media of money

Posted by: Feh at March 21, 2016 02:44 PM (gcoUL)

436
"Hillary is going to beat Trump, no matter how deluded this echo chamber is."
Explain that conclusion for us?

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 21, 2016 02:45 PM (lKyWE)

437 I can sue you for Libel.... if there are concrete damages.

IIRC, not true. You have to *prove* that you suffered damages, not just that the writer wrote something with the intent to harm.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:41 PM (+Fl7e)

Did you even bother to read what I wrote?

The Press is not held to the same standard as a private citizen.... if you dispute that,... well... you are just arguing for the sake of argument.

Posted by: Don Quixote at March 21, 2016 02:45 PM (RK8AH)

438 - Over 12 months of 24/7 coverage from every type of media around the globe with multiple new headlines every hour for a cost of less than 1% of net cash assets, subsidized by donations.

Posted by: Damiano at March 21, 2016 02:37 PM (XItbt)

If you want this priceless gift, you can just do a George Zimmerman. You can have the same quality of coverage for something less ambiguously virtuous compared to anything Donald Trump has done. Hell, if Ted Cruz does this in Texas I don't think he'll even face state charges.

Really, if media attention is so great, what's stopping people from getting it?

Posted by: trev006 at March 21, 2016 02:45 PM (MEHba)

439 When I was growing up, every 'sane' person talked about the Birchers. They were the tin foil hatters of the day. As a matter of fact, they probably started the terminology.

They fucking look like geniuses today.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at March 21, 2016 02:45 PM (4ng05)

440 The delusions of the commentators here is hysterical. You ignore the polls, you ignore the #NeverTrump movement and you ignore the electoral college.
Hillary is going to beat Trump, no matter how deluded this echo chamber is.
Posted by: Get a Grip at March 21, 2016 02:38 PM (PmYxm)

lol yeah dude. This is Trump central. Everyone here thinks he's a shoo-in for the general.

Nothing can eclipse the transcendent power of the #NeverTrump movement. It certainly helped blunt his candidacy last Tuesday!

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 02:46 PM (xuouz)

441 Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:08 PM (+Fl7e)

He said reporters who lie. You know they lie without fear, right?

Next concern please.

Posted by: Mega at March 21, 2016 02:46 PM (hHFOx)

442 Trump isn't winning out either

Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2016 02:46 PM (fizMZ)

443 ...so why does the Press have a RIGHT to lie? ...

The press has a "right to lie" for the same reason you have a "right to lie".

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:46 PM (+Fl7e)

444 If this election was all about his career, it's an awfully stupid way for a billionaire to try and make more money. He would have made far more just being a comfortable celebrity.
Posted by: Pomo at March 21, 2016 02:35 PM (bytzL)

In his entire career, he has generated a return on investment of far less than the S&P over the same period.

So far, Trump has contributed $17M to his campaign (mostly in loans to himself that will be paid back with interest or defaulted on, giving him a giant tax deduction). This amounts to only 40% of his campaign funds. To date, the campaign has raised over $27M.

This is the best investment Trump has made in his life, by far.

Again, compare his campaign financials to Trump Steaks, Trump Casinos, Trump University, Donald J Trump Collections...

Posted by: Damiano at March 21, 2016 02:46 PM (XItbt)

445 You do not have the numbers. There is an anti-Trump coalition forming. Many Republicans will vote for Hillary.
You need to get out of this fantasy land and enter reality. Trump is despised by most of the population.
Posted by: Get a Grip at March 21, 2016 02:45 PM (PmYxm)

Hahaha is this Ben Shapiro?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 02:46 PM (xuouz)

446 I seek only to marginalize both types of racism, not to pour fuel on one side of the fire in some futile attempt to offset the burning fire on the other side.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:40 PM (+Fl7e)

Unless you can point to your posts fighting leftist racism, that's not true. (hint: it won't be by posting here at AoS)

You're only working to marginalize right wing "racism" so that it can't be used against the left.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 02:47 PM (uURQL)

447 Even people who are good at fighting don't particularly like hurting others. If they don't have to. Are we there yet?

I am not sure. For me? No. For John Adams and Patrick Henry? They'd have been out in the harbor dumping tea decades ago. All I know is we're headed there. All the legal, decent, and civic alternatives are being exhausted. as quoted above:

"Those who make peaceful change impossible make violent change inevitable."

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 21, 2016 02:47 PM (39g3+)

448
423 There are states who if Barak brought back Castro and he ran as a Democrat they would vote for him.
Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2016 02:42 PM (fizMZ)

-----------------------

This is true. But that could be said ever since Castro took over Cuba.

Posted by: Soona at March 21, 2016 02:47 PM (Fmupd)

449 Ahhh, hash noted.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 02:47 PM (xuouz)

450 so Fidel Castro's net worth is approx 900 million?

Posted by: Feh at March 21, 2016 02:39 PM (gcoUL)

He was a wizard at cattle futures.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 21, 2016 02:47 PM (8ZskC)

451 I am NOT voting for Trump. I am a Cruz supporter, but in the end I will support whom ever the Republicans nominate. Now what I will not stand for are these ad hominem attacks on any Republican by anyone who has stated they do not intend to support the nominee. Then they can take their advice and opinions and stick them where the sun don't shine. But that's just me

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 02:47 PM (mw8Dm)

452 "re: John Kerry, he was? bzfd.it/1Rvy4l2"

Yes. "Trump in '04: 'I probably identify more as Democrat". CNN. They have video.

Then there's the longtime association with and donations to Democrats, up to and including Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, John Kerry, and Hillary Clinton.

"re: immigratoin walkback, he did? Could you cite that? Do you mean over visas, because he put out a correction after the visa answer at the debate.

Your stance is in search of facts to support it."

...you admitted that he did walk back his position, and then *immediately* say I have no facts to support the idea that he walked back his position? Are you on drugs?

Although I do concede it's a less drastic change of position than I initially heard or remembered, it still doesn't reflect well.

Posted by: Apostate at March 21, 2016 02:47 PM (zaVwL)

453 You do not have the numbers. There is an anti-Trump coalition forming. Many Republicans will vote for Hillary.

You need to get out of this fantasy land and enter reality. Trump is despised by most of the population.
Posted by: Get a Grip at March 21, 2016 02:45 PM (PmYxm)

And this is why most of the people around here don't affiliate themselves with the R brand any more.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at March 21, 2016 02:47 PM (KUaJL)

454 Damit, I asked for historical re-enactors, not hysterical over-reactors!

Always get it in writing, people!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 21, 2016 02:47 PM (bLnSU)

455 The Press is not held to the same standard as a private citizen.... if
you dispute that,... well... you are just arguing for the sake of
argument.

Actually, they are. You as a private citizen can start your own blog and write crazy nasty lies about whomever you wish, and as far as the law is concerned, that is equivalent to the NY Times publishing a daily paper.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:48 PM (+Fl7e)

456 Soona

The last time the country was divided and could not be reconciled, the country did not split. One side killed off one third of the male population of the other side.

That is how a lot of those unreconcilable things tend to work out.

Posted by: obnoxious ahole at March 21, 2016 02:48 PM (MpvuV)

457 Posted by: Marcus T at March 21, 2016 02:43 PM (O0lVq)

I agree. I believe it's a toss up on who is elected in November. Trump's chances will fluctuate depending mostly on how he campaigns. It's in his hands. Hillary really is a non factor.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 21, 2016 02:48 PM (2d71x)

458 Pundits June 2015: Trump win the GOP primary? That's crazy talk. Look, we know what;s what, and we are telling you Trump will implode by September.

Pundits Septemver 2015: Trump win the GOP primary? That's crazy talk. Look, we know what;s what, and we are telling you Trump will implode by December.

Pundits December 2015: Trump win the GOP primary? That's crazy talk. Look, we know what;s what, and we are telling you Trump will implode by March.

Pundits March 2016: Trump beat Hillary? You rubes are fucking crazy. No way that happens. We know what's what......

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 21, 2016 02:48 PM (0LHZx)

459 >>You do not have the numbers. There is an anti-Trump coalition forming. Many Republicans will vote for Hillary.
<<

No, there is an anti-American coalition forming and it will be there no matter who the Republican nominee is.

This is going beyond politics into a coalition who is opposed to free-speech, individual liberty and embraces violence.

I don't think they are going to like what they find in response- and they will also finally push people over boundaries to vote for the Republican nominee, no matter who that is , in big numbers.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 21, 2016 02:48 PM (O0lVq)

460 @166: "We are *this* close to having armed political militia fighting in the streets, Weimar style."

Not so much, really. The Left is organized and ready. The Right isn't and shows no signs of ever being so.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at March 21, 2016 02:48 PM (rznWS)

461 Will it be brutal by Civil War standards?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 02:43 PM (uURQL)

It will be brutal by Yugoslavian standards. The inhuman evil of the Soros brigade combined with the Internet's ability to facilitate decentralized violence means that terror will primarily focus on civilians. You can probably see it this summer, if the BLM monsters keep trying to violently intimidate Trump rallies.

Posted by: trev006 at March 21, 2016 02:48 PM (MEHba)

462 449 ...so why does the Press have a RIGHT to lie? ...

The press has a "right to lie" for the same reason you have a "right to lie".

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:46 PM (+Fl7e)

Libel Laws, and Slander Laws, would disagree with you.

Posted by: Don Quixote at March 21, 2016 02:48 PM (RK8AH)

463 >>You do not have the numbers. There is an anti-Trump coalition forming. Many Republicans will vote for Hillary.

like joe hallenbeck

Posted by: x at March 21, 2016 02:48 PM (nFwvY)

464 most Americans recognize the value of international trade

especially the "national" part, trade between *nations*

what Hillary and her Uniparty shills represent is Global Trade and therefore Global Governance

i.e. the dissolution of remaining national boundaries and loyalties

and who will run things at the Global level? why, socialists of course

Posted by: Feh at March 21, 2016 02:48 PM (gcoUL)

465 The press has a "right to lie" for the same reason you have a "right to lie".
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:46 PM (+Fl7e)

And the reality is that there is no Right to Lie.

Lacking a legal penalty for lying is not the same thing as having a Right to Lie.

Rights are anchored in what is Right. Lies are wrong.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 02:49 PM (uURQL)

466 404 The delusions of the commentators here is hysterical. You ignore the polls, you ignore the #NeverTrump movement and you ignore the electoral college.

Hillary is going to beat Trump, no matter how deluded this echo chamber is.

Posted by: Get a Grip at March 21, 2016 02:38 PM (PmYxm)

And Cruz is just such a winner against Hillary? You can argue that the Low Information Left is too entrenched, but don't argue Cruz will do better.

And you sure as hell don't want to argue that a *brokered convention* GOP nominee will do better than Trump. Because he certainly won't.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 21, 2016 02:49 PM (ujg0T)

467 So we get to deal with the anti-Trump carpet tacks here too.

Sheesh.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at March 21, 2016 02:49 PM (4ng05)

468 Actually, they are. You as a private citizen can start your own blog and write crazy nasty lies about whomever you wish, and as far as the law is concerned, that is equivalent to the NY Times publishing a daily paper.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:48 PM (+Fl7e)

Uh.... you may want to talk to Ace about his Lawsuits someday.... when he can talk about them....

Posted by: Don Quixote at March 21, 2016 02:49 PM (RK8AH)

469 404 The delusions of the commentators here is hysterical. You ignore the polls, you ignore the #NeverTrump movement and you ignore the electoral college.

Hillary is going to beat Trump, no matter how deluded this echo chamber is.

Posted by: Get a Grip at March 21, 2016 02:38 PM (PmYxm)

I think you do have a point and that is a big cause of concern for me. However, the SOB is beating my guy, and I had Trump fading early, so there is that.

I take nevertrump with a grain of salt. A lot of those (if not near all) come home. Especially if he picks someone like Cruz for VP. He is running against the GOP version of satan after all.

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 21, 2016 02:50 PM (t06LC)

470
Cruz had his chance and lost the south, Virginia, Florida, Nevada, Ohio, and Michigan among others. He's a spoiler now and working for the establishment.
I don't think he is even that.If you look at the Republican primaries left I think Cruz could possibly finish behind Kasich in delegates

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 21, 2016 02:50 PM (lKyWE)

471 And you sure as hell don't want to argue that a *brokered convention* GOP nominee will do better than Trump. Because he certainly won't.

Polls show that the people love their mailman.

Posted by: John Kasich at March 21, 2016 02:50 PM (8ZskC)

472 I think anyone believes this is purely some money making scheme of Trump has to be mentally retarded.

I could easily see the guy going through hundreds of millions of his own money when it's all said and done, and good luck if he wants to put his name on any building ever again inside a blue state.

He had a VERY comfortable life before all this.

Posted by: Pomo at March 21, 2016 02:51 PM (bytzL)

473 Sooner or later people are going to realize the attacks, subterfuge and attempts at intimidation are not simply directed at one candidate. They are directed at anyone who opposes the Democrats.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 21, 2016 02:51 PM (O0lVq)

474 If 20012 crushed your heart, 2016 will crush your spirit.

Hehehehe.

Remember, SJWs Always Lie, Always Double Down, and Always Project.

We are the change we are waiting for.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 02:51 PM (uURQL)

475 No, there is an anti-American coalition forming and it will be there no matter who the Republican nominee is.

This is going beyond politics into a coalition who is opposed to free-speech, individual liberty and embraces violence.

Yeah, there's a line being drawn between people who favor freedom and America... and those who hate America and favor ease and goodies.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 21, 2016 02:52 PM (39g3+)

476 Sooner or later people are going to realize the attacks, subterfuge and attempts at intimidation are not simply directed at one candidate. They are directed at anyone who opposes the Democrats.
Posted by: Marcus T at March 21, 2016 02:51 PM (O0lVq)

Yup. And those are the attacks we also see coming from those posing as Republicans

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 02:52 PM (mw8Dm)

477 Unless you can point to your posts fighting leftist racism, that's not true. (hint: it won't be by posting here at AoS)

You're only working to marginalize right wing "racism" so that it can't be used against the left.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 02:47 PM (uURQL)
Where have I supported or condoned any sort of left-wing racism? I don't. No you are right I am not currently marching in Selma. Does that make me a fake anti-racist? You are just moving the goalposts now.
And I don't know why you use scare quotes around "racism" when applied to the right. I mean actual right-wing racism such as the likes of the alt-right crowd who are downright vile IMO, and less so, the softer pseudo-racism of white identity politics which I think is understandable for its reactionary element, but misguided.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:52 PM (+Fl7e)

478 ">>You do not have the numbers. There is an anti-Trump coalition forming. Many Republicans will vote for Hillary."

---------------
Same assholes who voted for Obama. Nothing new.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 21, 2016 02:52 PM (5GODt)

479 I just finished reading a book called "Distraction", by Bruce Sterling.

The book posits a future where America has simply broken down. Among other things, the USAF holds bake sales to raise money, and people openly burn government-issued IDs, change their names, and join tribes. There's no violence against the system, as such. There's simply abandonment of a system that no longer works. I found it a relatively hopeful take on the future.

Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at March 21, 2016 02:52 PM (bpn7O)

480 ...you admitted that he did walk back his position, and then *immediately* say I have no facts to support the idea that he walked back his position? Are you on drugs?
Although I do concede it's a less drastic change of position than I initially heard or remembered, it still doesn't reflect well.
Posted by: Apostate at March 21, 2016 02:47 PM (zaVwL)

I admitted nothing. I'm not on drugs. And you're the one that just walked back his position.

Re: the dem donations - he donated equally to democrats and republicans (literally within $10) from 2000 until 2012, after which he donated over four hundred thousand dollars to republicans and $3,500.00 to Democrats.

In an economy based on lawfare and regulatory compliance, I ask you: what should he have done differently?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 02:52 PM (xuouz)

481 "Fall is coming and the ass whipping your party of reactionary old bigots and societal losers will be epic. If 20012 crushed your heart, 2016 will crush your spirit."

who is this caricature?

Posted by: Feh at March 21, 2016 02:53 PM (gcoUL)

482 Get a Grip sounds like he has lost his grip, on reality. Probably the Serbian troll. Or Hector. Same MO.

Posted by: mega machines at March 21, 2016 02:53 PM (fbovC)

483 so Fidel Castro's net worth is approx 900 million?

Posted by: Feh at March 21, 2016 02:39 PM (gcoUL)

He was a wizard at cattle futures.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 21, 2016 02:47 PM (8ZskC)

Probably made a fortune in rubber life rafts too.

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 21, 2016 02:53 PM (t06LC)

484 404
The delusions of the commentators here is hysterical. You ignore the
polls, you ignore the #NeverTrump movement and you ignore the electoral
college.

Hillary is going to beat Trump, no matter how deluded this echo chamber is.

---------------
Awesome, thanks for letting me know, you saved me SO much time.

Posted by: BunkerInTheBurbs at March 21, 2016 02:53 PM (kXzR8)

485 alt-right crowd who are downright vile IMO, and less so, the softer pseudo-racism of white identity politics which I think is understandable for its reactionary element,

Of course no examples

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 02:53 PM (mw8Dm)

486 Uh.... you may want to talk to Ace about his Lawsuits someday

Yeah judges have several times stated that blogs don't count as press for 1st amendment protections, even though they clearly ought to.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 21, 2016 02:53 PM (39g3+)

487 It is the year 20012 and the animatronic husk of Elizabeth Warren, whose election slogan GET A GRIP won her the presidency in 2020 and every election thereafter, is beginning to break down.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 02:54 PM (xuouz)

488 I take nevertrump with a grain of salt. A lot of those (if not near all) come home. Especially if he picks someone like Cruz for VP. He is running against the GOP version of satan after all.
Posted by: Jollyroger

they'll come home, except maybe for that David Brooks corridor in DC, so like 50 people that have columns that nobody reads.

I haven't met a single Republican, even ones that really dislike Trump that have said there support is going to Hillary if he gets the nom.

But we'll be seeing a whole lot of threats and bluster over it.

Posted by: Pomo at March 21, 2016 02:54 PM (bytzL)

489 421
"I believe that our current ruling class is even more blinkered and
myopic than the ruling classes of Europe a hundred years ago."

Yes, and the question is why.

I think Charles Murray has some persuasive answers in his book Coming Apart.

Posted by: Feh at March 21, 2016 02:41 PM (gcoUL)Assortative mating. The ruling class typically knows nobody not in their class.

Posted by: pep at March 21, 2016 02:54 PM (LAe3v)

490 Re: the dem donations - he donated equally to democrats and republicans (literally within $10) from 2000 until 2012, after which he donated over four hundred thousand dollars to republicans and $3,500.00 to Democrats.

In an economy based on lawfare and regulatory compliance, I ask you: what should he have done differently?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 02:52 PM (xuouz)

Eh, my dad has a small business and does that too. That really doesn't trouble me as much. Its more a symptom of the problem of how government is. Trump being in NY explains a lot of that.

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 21, 2016 02:54 PM (t06LC)

491 Reynolds stole the idea from Vox Day. First they ignored then demeaned the (right) Tea Party. Now they are dealing with the Alt-Right. If this fails, as it almost certainly will, next will be the Militant Right, and history has shown us that they don't work and play well with other children.

Posted by: Marcus Aurelius' Underpants at March 21, 2016 02:55 PM (EsN3H)

492 Hey let me hop on one of my old hobbyhorses again

THERE IS NO ALT-RIGHT

Racism is racism. There is no portion of the "right wing" where racism is harbored and cherished, and using this term allows the left to shape the political battlefield.

There is no such thing as alt-right.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 02:55 PM (xuouz)

493 If 2012. . . then 2016.

If Hillary wins, all bets are off. Anything is possible. Anything.

If Trump wins, the illusion of a United States will stumble along for another 4-8 years. Maybe.

Posted by: Rogland Brostle at March 21, 2016 02:55 PM (ZllM+)

494 I recall how people here denied that Romney was losing to Obama. They said ignore the polls, Romney has this.

Posted by: Get a Grip at March 21, 2016 02:53 PM (PmYxm)

Trump ain't Romney, and Hillary isn't Obama.

Get ready to cry, darlin'.

Posted by: trev006 at March 21, 2016 02:55 PM (MEHba)

495 Hahaha, go over to insty's page a scroll down to the Che picture.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 21, 2016 02:56 PM (jsWA8)

496 Posted by: Get a Grip at March 21, 2016 02:48 PM (PmYxm)

so, what do suggest we do ?

Posted by: justice Roberts at March 21, 2016 02:56 PM (c6/9Q)

497 Where have I supported or condoned any sort of left-wing racism? I don't. No you are right I am not currently marching in Selma. Does that make me a fake anti-racist? You are just moving the goalposts now.
And I don't know why you use scare quotes around "racism" when applied to the right. I mean actual right-wing racism such as the likes of the alt-right crowd who are downright vile IMO, and less so, the softer pseudo-racism of white identity politics which I think is understandable for its reactionary element, but misguided.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:52 PM (+Fl7e)

Not supporting leftist racism is a different thing than fighting it.

I use scare quotes because I don't agree that all things labeled "racism" are the same sort of racism that leftists used.

Leftists don't shoot at their extremists. They recognize they're all on the Leftist team.

On the Right wing, conservatives are very eager to shoot at right wing extremists - for racism, for not being modern enough, enlightened enough ... and the effective result is that the conservatives shoot at the right. Just like the left.

Just like what you're doing right now. Has it occurred to you that it's not your job to thought police the right?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 02:56 PM (uURQL)

498 Ban this sad, dry, talentless fuckboy.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 02:56 PM (xuouz)

499 Brooks isn't the only condescending clown of the "conservative intelligentsia", there's of course a large portion of the writers at NRO who tell us that if trade deals shut down the Caterpillar factory in Indiana, get mobile and find yourself a job making chips in Utah.. oh wait, robots and illegals are doing that work.

During the Great Depression, lots of men hit the road to find work in other states. I think we called them "Hobos"

It's easy for people who work in a profession which is closed off to illegals, robotics, or anyone who is not connected through the "right" schools and having the "right" friends to tell the rest of us to suck it up.

But no, we serfs all turn into Walter White whenever a corporation decides that $3 hr labor without benefits beats $12 hr.

Oh, and are they worried that maybe those low earners might not be able to afford the shit that these media companies advertise? Not at all, just tell them they MUST have it now and will have it now with 60 easy monthly payments at 18 percent interest! Drive interest rates to negative in case those rubes try to delay that gratification, Wall Street needs that zero interest helicopter money to keep the Ponzi stock and bond markets going.

Posted by: kbdabear at March 21, 2016 02:56 PM (9hVWo)

500 It is interesting that racism is such a powerful force in elections. We have a political party that banks on it every 4 years. And in fact, one of America's most notable political figures isn't just a racist, but led his followers to murdering people due to their race...

Of course that man is Al Sharpton, and that party is the Democrat party.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 21, 2016 02:57 PM (pibXr)

501 477 457
Fall is coming and the ass whipping your party of reactionary old bigots and societal losers will be epic. If 20012 crushed your heart, 2016 will crush your spirit.

Posted by: Get a Grip at March 21, 2016 02:50 PM (PmYxm)

And the Lefty Troll mask slips....

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 21, 2016 02:57 PM (ujg0T)

502 And the reality is that there is no Right to Lie.

Lacking a legal penalty for lying is not the same thing as having a Right to Lie.

Rights are anchored in what is Right. Lies are wrong.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 02:49 PM (uURQL)
Umm, no. Natural rights properly understood are not dependent on the moral propriety of exercising those rights. I have the natural right to do many things that many might consider "wrong". For instance, burning the flag, or downloading midget Thai tranny porn. Lots of people would consider that wrong. I have the right to do that however.

And besides, who decides if a statement is a lie or not? Do you want a Ministry of Truth?

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:57 PM (+Fl7e)

503

Posted by: Get a Grip at March 21, 2016 02:50 PM (PmYxm)

Hey, Hector's back again!

Posted by: Hector's Inflatable WIfe at March 21, 2016 02:57 PM (iLoHX)

504 503 Why equate the Alt-Right with racism just because they reject the leftist narrative regarding race?

Posted by: Marcus Aurelius' Underpants at March 21, 2016 02:58 PM (EsN3H)

505 Per the new fox poll it looks like the undecideds in Arizona have made up their mind and broken for Trump. With Trump winning in Arizona tomorrow that pretty much ends it. Trump will be the nominee.

Now it will be up to him to show improvement in general election polling. The polls he loves to cite show him losing badly in November.

They also show the Democrats winning the Senate and are showing the house in danger too.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 21, 2016 02:58 PM (reRSn)

506 Really, if media attention is so great, what's stopping people from getting it?
Posted by: trev006 at March 21, 2016 02:45 PM (MEHba)

Ask Al Sharpton, The Kardashians,...

Or one better: Remember back in 2006, there was some guy with a funny name who never held a full time job in his life, started in politics by with the support of a racist church, a domestic terrorist, and a convicted felon (who also happened to by his house for him), got elected to the senate by getting sealed court documents about his opponents marriage released to the media, then, after barely getting getting into office, scored the prime speaking spot at the DNC? Then, a year later after swearing up and down that he had no interest in pursing a different office, launched his Presidential campaign? The same guy, on the shoulders of the media and despite the fact that he had court orders sealing every part of his background, zero accomplishments in any office, and a completely falsified resume got the Democratic nomination (beating Hillary Clinton and her decades old campaign and political infrastructure) then was elected President of the United States followed quickly by being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.. all without a single accomplishment to his name?

Yeah... you're right. Courting fawning media attention has never gotten anyone anything.

Posted by: Damiano at March 21, 2016 02:58 PM (XItbt)

507 >>"They ought to be frightened, but they probably lack the sense."

Probably already said, but I think they are at least a little bit frightened, and yet, they've also been planning for just this type of confrontation.

They've been egging it on with all of Obama's trolling, with Obama and the Left continually kicking their violence and activism up a notch with knock-out "game," #BLM, now Trump riots. All while Obama has been having DoD draft plans for camps and enacting the NDAA, his DHS doing all sorts of analysis on why the biggest threat is domestic terrorism in the form of white bible-thumpers, and bringing in their own army of illegals to sow chaos.

Posted by: Lizzy at March 21, 2016 02:58 PM (NOIQH)

508 @243: "How about his petty lawsuits against reporters who disagree with him? It
is chilling to say the least, and the mark of an authoritarian mindset."

That might be a fair point if the media was neutral. It isn't. As a body, it is an out-and-out enemy, even if there are elements within that aren't. Once they - as an industry - picked a side, they made themselves targets.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at March 21, 2016 02:58 PM (rznWS)

509 The chaos will be glorious!

Posted by: Abbadon the Unclean at March 21, 2016 02:59 PM (V1lZu)

510
Actually fighting for freedom, sacrificing, facing real danger of losing employment, imprisonment, personal harm, or even death? That's another story.

People won't even seriously consider a 1 week general strike to make a point to the nation about makers vs takers. Totally blown off. I might lose my job. Someone might be mean to me

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 21, 2016 02:34 PM (39g3+)

I think we can safely count onthe incompetence and innate authoritarianism of a Hillary Clinton Administrationto spark a conflagration.

RememberHillary's admiration for the Australian door-to-door gun confiscation sweeps? Midnight knocks on the door by teams of armed and armored men have a way of clarifying the mind.

Posted by: troyriser at March 21, 2016 02:59 PM (UWlp+)

511 he donated equally to democrats and republicans (literally within $10) from 2000 until 2012, after which he donated over four hundred thousand dollars to republicans and $3,500.00 to Democrats.

In an economy based on lawfare and regulatory compliance, I ask you: what should he have done differently?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 02:52 PM (xuouz)

Eh, my dad has a small business and does that too. That really doesn't trouble me as much. Its more a symptom of the problem of how government is. Trump being in NY explains a lot of that.
Posted by: Jollyroger

What would concern me is if Trump donated to specific liberal causes, like say he had given hundreds of thousands to Soros type groups, ACLU, MoveOn.Org, etc. That would speak volumes.

But specific candidates and many that are in the state he does business? It's obviously just business.

Look at this way, had say Hillary lost to Rick Lazio in the NY Senate race, I guarantee you every penny Trump gave Hillary would have gone to Lazio, and probably more.

Posted by: Pomo at March 21, 2016 02:59 PM (bytzL)

512 Why equate the Alt-Right with racism just because they reject the leftist narrative regarding race?
Posted by: Marcus Aurelius' Underpants at March 21, 2016 02:58 PM (EsN3H)

I don't. Every single mention of it is used to group Vox Day, stormfront, and people who use the word "cuck" four times in every sentence together - and then to link them to the political right.

They're not even on the spectrum. They're darkweb people. They're not a political movement they're a club.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 02:59 PM (xuouz)

513 Troll clean up on aisle (PmYxm)....Troll clean up on aisle (PmYxm)

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 21, 2016 03:00 PM (ujg0T)

514 THERE IS NO ALT-RIGHT

Racism is racism. There is no portion of the "right wing" where
racism is harbored and cherished, and using this term allows the left to
shape the political battlefield.

There is no such thing as alt-right.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 02:55 PM (xuouz)
Sorry, not true.
http://tinyurl.com/zgqahrr

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 03:00 PM (+Fl7e)

515
I'm just glad we had Trey Gowdy working tirelessly to expose the IRS targeting of the Tea Party.

Gowdy worked so relentlessly that the scandal blew up in Obama's face. Watching it unfold nightly on national news was reminiscent of Watergate. The contempt of the entire nation for the Obama administration grew to a fever pitch. That's why it's one of the articles of impeachment the president now faces.

But the IRS scandal, by itself, wouldn't have hurt Obama nearly as much had it not been preceded by the national uproar caused when Gowdy investigated Fast and Furious. The seemingly unending publicity accompanying the exposure of Obama intentionally allowing illegally purchased firearms to flow to Mexican druglords is what first cast doubts about Obama in the minds of Americans.

Of course, if Gowdy hadn't dogged the Obama administration without end on the IRS and Fast and Furious we wouldn't be where we are today. By exposing those two scandals Gowdy cemented his credibility with Americans, allowing him to expose the wanton disregard shown by Hillary Clinton when our consulate in Benghazi came under attack. Because of the nationwide outrage engendered by Gowdy's determined pursuit of Benghazi, Hillary's chances for the presidency were ruined and her nascent candidacy was ended before it began.

But let's not forget all of the other stalwarts in our party, John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Paul Ryan, et al., who forcefully and relentlessly made the public keenly aware of these scandals and their import. To them we owe an eternal debt of gratitude.

Posted by: Ed Anger at March 21, 2016 03:00 PM (RcpcZ)

516 The best racism example I've heard was one I overheard:

A: My God, the 9th ward is underwater.
B: I know... Look at where we had them living.

The first person was a citizen and a Republican. The second, a highly-placed Democrat chief of staff.

Don't lecture me about racism.

Posted by: Feh at March 21, 2016 03:00 PM (gcoUL)

517 Natural rights properly understood are not dependent on the moral propriety of exercising those rights.

Correct, liberty has to be tempered by virtue. You have the right to do things that are morally wrong; virtue restrains that from taking place. But that's internal, not imposed from the outside except where absolutely necessary (laws).

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 21, 2016 03:01 PM (39g3+)

518 Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 02:55 PM (xuouz)

Really? Google and the websites that follow would like a word with you...

Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 03:01 PM (R5HRU)

519 516
503 Why equate the Alt-Right with racism just because they reject the leftist narrative regarding race?

Posted by: Marcus Aurelius' Underpants at March 21, 2016 02:58 PM (EsN3H)
They reject the leftist narrative on race, and replace it with an explicitly racist narrative on race.
I don't mind that they reject the leftist narrative, I do mind that they decided to replace it with racism though.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 03:02 PM (+Fl7e)

520 Polls less than a year ago had !Jeb! as the inevitable GOPe Nominee.

BLS statistics also tell us that inflation has never been lower, unemployment is at rates not seen since the late 90s, and GDP would be great if not for cold in the winter, rain in the spring, heat in the summer, and leaves in the fall.

Posted by: kbdabear at March 21, 2016 03:02 PM (9hVWo)

521 >>>There is no such thing as alt-right.

Um...I left GamerGate because it was being co-opted by the alt-right.

Are you making a semantics argument (they're not truly on the 'right') or denying that they exist entirely? Because I know they exist.

Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 03:02 PM (MCmqp)

522 Racism is inherently a stupid thing.

But why the hell are we worried about the likes of David Duke, when Al Sharpton is one of the leaders of a major political party, and BLM is out organizing racially based looting and rioting?

And why the hell do we have La Raza driving our immigration law enforcement right now?

Posted by: 18-1 at March 21, 2016 03:02 PM (pibXr)

523 Yeah... you're right. Courting fawning media attention has never gotten anyone anything.

Posted by: Damiano at March 21, 2016 02:58 PM (XItbt)

You did read what I typed, right? Do you really think Trump's media support is favorable, never mind approaching Obama levels of obsequious?

Posted by: trev006 at March 21, 2016 03:02 PM (MEHba)

524 "It's easy for people who work in a profession which is closed off to illegals, robotics, or anyone who is not connected through the "right" schools and having the "right" friends to tell the rest of us to suck it up."

Yeah, let's outsource NRO writer's work to china. Let's get a Chinese Kevin Williamson to write racist columns about the white middle class.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at March 21, 2016 03:02 PM (5GODt)

525 And besides, who decides if a statement is a lie or not? Do you want a Ministry of Truth?
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 02:57 PM (+Fl7e)

I had this idea, stop me if I've told you this one before.

You'd have to have a trained set of men and women dedicated to this concept of justice as an abstract thing.

Build up a body of casework so we can learn from the human tendency to certain types of actions.

And then get random people to agree to judge their peers.

Could be tough.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 03:02 PM (xuouz)

526 Umm, no. Natural rights properly understood are not dependent on the moral propriety of exercising those rights. I have the natural right to do many things that many might consider "wrong". For instance, burning the flag, or downloading midget Thai tranny porn. Lots of people would consider that wrong. I have the right to do that however.

The society that withholds judgement from such things is burning down, and you're going to insist that your view is the correct one?

Your ideas are wrong, and that is why the society living them is falling apart.

There is no such thing as a Natural (God-given) Right that is divorced from what is Morally Right.

In your list, you confuse lacking a legal system (due to impracticality) to punish such things with you having a right to do such things.

Rights are more than actions people aren't willing to punish you for.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 03:03 PM (uURQL)

527
>>>>Nobody believes a word out of any politician's mouth. Its just that Trump is willing to say "UP YOURS" to the politically correct, the habitually offended, and the priggish elite. And that's refreshing and welcome. This isn't about "whoo he's our hero that will fix it all!" because he isn't and he can't.

This is about kicking David Brooks and President Obama and Jeb Bush and pajama boy right in the furry mangerines.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 21, 2016 02:37 PM (39g3+)

Amen. This is not about politeness or polish or fancy speechifying. It's about kicking in the teeth of those who have used us for so long.

Posted by: 7Mike at March 21, 2016 03:03 PM (pxwEr)

528
Trump just sounds like a New Yorker to me.There are very resonable English translations formost of the questionable stuff he says

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 21, 2016 03:03 PM (lKyWE)

529 >>Yeah, let's outsource NRO writer's work to china. Let's get a Chinese
Kevin Williamson to write racist columns about the white middle class.

*Ahem*
You want us to help with that?

Posted by: Al Jazeera at March 21, 2016 03:04 PM (NOIQH)

530 Are you making a semantics argument (they're not truly on the 'right') or denying that they exist entirely? Because I know they exist.
Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 03:02 PM (MCmqp)

Well, uh, I wouldn't call it semantic per se, and this is clearly a losing battle, but, yeah they clearly exist, I just think that phrase was basically extracted from the reptilian brain of anita sarkeesian so it's bullshit.

It's total bullshit.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 03:04 PM (xuouz)

531 Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 02:56 PM (uURQL)

This may come as a shock to you, but I am an anti-racist, regardless if it is anti-leftist-racism or anti-rightist-racism.

Why do you think I should tolerate racism that is coming from "my side"? Because I should be a good little tribal soldier?

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 03:04 PM (+Fl7e)

532 "It's only a bunch of dying old racists who are mad their grand kids are dating non whites who support Trump."

What the fuck are you doing here asshole. Take your bitter shit elsewhere.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 21, 2016 03:04 PM (WnCSK)

533 Sorry, not true.
http://tinyurl.com/zgqahrr

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 03:00 PM (+Fl7e)

You know, liking to The Weakly Standud, the poster child for how out of touch the GOP establishment is, doesn't help your case. At least the Wall Street Journal still has some real journalism.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 21, 2016 03:05 PM (ujg0T)

534 "Brooks closes his Trump column with Psalm 73, but a more appropriate
verse is Hosea 8:7 'For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the
whirlwind.'"

I personally still prefer Ghostbusters 51:50.

"Gozer the Traveller. He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms."

Posted by: torquewrench at March 21, 2016 03:05 PM (noWW6)

535 Hey, what about me? I'll sneak across the border and write the column for less money than the Chinese Kevin Williamson. I'll even bring my extended family as a bonus.

Posted by: The Illegal Mexican Kevin Williamson at March 21, 2016 03:05 PM (5GODt)

536 @283; "No one complains that China is populated by Chinese, or Japanese is populated by Japan, or India is populated by Indians.

America has an immigration problem where third-worlders are imported at a rate that cannot be assimilated.

Guess what happens to a plurality of ethnicities? Ethnic cleansing and war."

Everybody wants whitey gone. Even a big percentage of whitey.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at March 21, 2016 03:05 PM (rznWS)

537 "It's only a bunch of dying old racists who are mad their grand kids are dating non whites who support Trump."

wow, project much?

Posted by: Feh at March 21, 2016 03:05 PM (gcoUL)

538 I saw a clip of Trump yesterday on Fox news were he called Ted a lier probably 10 times within 20 words. I went from a I get the no Trump to its a possibility.

Posted by: Skip at March 21, 2016 03:05 PM (fizMZ)

539 Fucking Chinese curses.

Posted by: Soona at March 21, 2016 03:05 PM (Fmupd)

540 Trump just sounds like a New Yorker to me.There are very resonable English translations formost of the questionable stuff he says
Posted by: flawless male logic at March 21, 2016 03:03 PM (lKyWE)

Thread

WINNAHHH

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 03:06 PM (xuouz)

541 Remember Hillary's admiration for the Australian door-to-door gun confiscation sweeps? Midnight knocks on the door by teams of armed and armored men have a way of clarifying the mind.

And Hillary isn't one to just talk. She'll do. When she was Secretary of State she was trying to manipulate world events and policy behind the scenes with black ops.

Look at her. Look at all the criminal stuff she's done, all the horrific things in her past. If she's elected that tells her "there is no cost." Why would she ever think she has to be careful or show any restraint? What holds her back? What keeps her from doing whatever nasty fantasy is in her mind? Not personal religious conviction. Not ideology, she believes the end justifies the means. Not public approval, she just won! Not criminal action, they never get her. Nothing would restrain her.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 21, 2016 03:06 PM (39g3+)

542 Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 03:03 PM (uURQL)

Be careful what you wish for. You're basically arguing for moral censorship.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 03:06 PM (+Fl7e)

543 http://tinyurl.com/zgqahrr
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 03:00 PM (+Fl7e)

THAT is your justification of support of this phamtom alt right? From the Weekly Standard. And an article that has as manny specifics as you usually do? LMAO

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 03:06 PM (mw8Dm)

544 This place is going to the fucking dogs.

Spell your words correctly and express contrition when you fuck it up.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 03:06 PM (xuouz)

545 Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 03:04 PM (xuouz)

How do you figure when these people classify themselves as such?

Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 03:06 PM (R5HRU)

546 Why do you think I should tolerate racism that is coming from "my side"? Because I should be a good little tribal soldier?

Because we are reverting to nationalism and tribalism, and there is no "not-racist" nation or tribe.

Just a head's up for what's coming. Pick your side carefully. And don't make enemies where you don't have to.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 03:07 PM (uURQL)

547
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 21, 2016 03:05 PM (ujg0T)
Now you're attacking the source. Guess you didn't bother to read the article then?

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 03:07 PM (+Fl7e)

548 "If she's elected that tells her "there is no cost." Why would she ever think she has to be careful or show any restraint? "

isn't this, too, the story of Obama

Posted by: Feh at March 21, 2016 03:07 PM (gcoUL)

549 I saw Furry Mangerines open ZZ Top in 85.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 21, 2016 03:07 PM (kTF2Z)

550 Because they hate us. That is reason enough. We didn't get to choose. They chose for us. So be it.

Posted by: goon at March 21, 2016 03:07 PM (gy5kE)

551 And 'Get a Grip' is gone. Since this is Holy Week I'm sure he'll find some way to resurrect himself in his usual odious manner.

Posted by: mega machines at March 21, 2016 03:08 PM (fbovC)

552 Testing

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at March 21, 2016 03:09 PM (+eR2D)

553
There is no such thing as alt-right.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 02:55 PM (xuouz)

Man - it is one of our standard issue trolls, he came out from under his bridge and saw his shadow and predicts 33 more weeks of campaigning.

It isn't important.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has the Asbestos Undershorts You Need for Your Internet Flame-Wars! at March 21, 2016 03:09 PM (hLRSq)

554 Be careful what you wish for. You're basically arguing for moral censorship.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 03:06 PM (+Fl7e)

/facepalm

I am looking for the Right Order of things. This ain't it.

It's comfy, it's got a bit of a tradition - and it's completely failed. Overtaken by cancerous ideas of leftism.

Time to revisit first principles and figure out where to go from here.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 03:09 PM (uURQL)

555 OK, so my home computer can post here, but I get comments deleted when I try to post from my android.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at March 21, 2016 03:10 PM (+eR2D)

556 I'm old enough to remember when Instapundit was pimping Jacksonian Democrats like Jim Webb as deficit Hawks.

Two mega-stimuli later, how did that work out?

Posted by: Dick Nixon at March 21, 2016 03:10 PM (mcm0N)

557 How do you figure when these people classify themselves as such?
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 03:06 PM (R5HRU)

Because OF COURSE they're going to seek legitimacy and rhetorical cover by using one or the other political party as a shield. They might share economic ideas with the right but that doesn't make them "[anything]-right" just because they say so. Constitutional conservatism requires racial equality. Full stop. We fought a civil war about that.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 03:10 PM (xuouz)

558 >>>Will it be brutal by Civil War standards?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 02:43 PM (uURQL)

There are wars that are civil?

Posted by: 7Mike at March 21, 2016 03:10 PM (pxwEr)

559 >>>>Well, uh, I wouldn't call it semantic per se, and this is clearly a losing battle, but, yeah they clearly exist, I just think that phrase was basically extracted from the reptilian brain of anita sarkeesian so it's bullshit.
It's total bullshit.

No, that's what they call themselves. And they're proud of it.

The alt-right is the ex-Ronulans. They didn't vanish just because Herr Doktor decided to sit this one out.

Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 03:10 PM (MCmqp)

560 Most Americans are not political junkies, they don't have the time or the energy after work, traffic, and other immediate and personal concerns to peruse policy wonkery or who supported or opposed what bill in Washington.

They do know if there's an "all hands meeting" tomorrow and they don't have much money in the bank and even if they do the bank considers them potential terrorists who must pay the bank to keep that money for them, you know, because "they're keeping us safe"

Many have been pushed past their Give a Fuck point for quite a while, and really don't care who will or will not be "most electable against Hillary". They're pissed for a reason and it's not because the perfect hair and suit people on TV tell them it's resentment at losing their "White Privilege".

Posted by: kbdabear at March 21, 2016 03:10 PM (9hVWo)

561
551 And 'Get a Grip' is gone. Since this is Holy Week I'm sure he'll find some way to resurrect himself in his usual odious manner.

Posted by: mega machines at March 21, 2016 03:08 PM (fbovC)

-------------------

I'm pretty sure Get a Grip sucks cock by choice.

Posted by: Soona at March 21, 2016 03:10 PM (Fmupd)

562 I saw Furry Mangerines open ZZ Top in 85.

That was a good show until the Mangerines lead singer lit himself on fire and the crowd stampeded.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 21, 2016 03:10 PM (39g3+)

563 OK, so my home computer can post here, but I get comments deleted when I try to post from my android.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at March 21, 2016 03:10 PM (+eR2D)

My home computer is the one that gets deleted.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has the Asbestos Undershorts You Need for Your Internet Flame-Wars! at March 21, 2016 03:10 PM (hLRSq)

564 There is no such thing as a Natural (God-given) Right that is divorced from what is Morally Right.

No. No. No. An infinite number of no's.

Inherent to ALL.

If we start with the judgment of "morally right", who makes the call? Because I've heard what the Left calls "morally right".

Inherent to ALL.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at March 21, 2016 03:11 PM (9krrF)

565 @324: "How else do you think you get fundamental change?"

Starvation and machetes are cheaper.

Posted by: International Brotherhood of African Strongmen, Local 47 at March 21, 2016 03:11 PM (rznWS)

566 I'm well aware polls today do not mean they will predict the outcome. But they do reflect the opinion of the country now. If the election was held today it would be a significant loss. It is up to Trump to change that trajectory. In other words there are no hidden voters secretly waiting to vote for him. He needs to change the minds of the current electorate that is not currently willing to vote for him. If he can do that we will start to see improvement in his head to head numbers.

Or you can go with "the polls are wrong" theory, but trust me that isn't going to work out for you.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 21, 2016 03:11 PM (reRSn)

567 It's ridiculous to blame Instapundit and/or David Brooks most of America can't name the VP of the United States.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at March 21, 2016 03:12 PM (mcm0N)

568
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 03:09 PM (uURQL)
Sorry but I do not favor state censorship whether it is advocated from the left banning "hate speech" or whether it is advocated from the right "suing the press for lying". I guess that's just me, favoring principles over tribalism.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 03:12 PM (+Fl7e)

569 Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 03:10 PM (xuouz)

I guess we disagree then. You say they don't exist, I say they do, the people who qualify themselves as such say they do.

Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 03:13 PM (R5HRU)

570 "Why do you think I should tolerate racism that is coming from "my side"? Because I should be a good little tribal soldier?

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 03:04 PM (+Fl7e)

The only people who believe there is racism on the right are brain addled leftists and New York based right wing writers.

I've never seen any indication of it.

If you have examples, lay them out so we can all see what you're talking about.

Posted by: jwest at March 21, 2016 03:13 PM (Zs4uk)

571 My home computer is the one that gets deleted.

Home AND work isp = banned.
4G LTE ok.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2016 03:13 PM (LtRrq)

572 568
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 03:09 PM (uURQL)
Sorry but I do not favor state censorship whether it is advocated from the left banning "hate speech" or whether it is advocated from the right "suing the press for lying". I guess that's just me, favoring principles over tribalism.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 03:12 PM (+Fl7e)

Are you advocating the abolition of defamation laws?

Posted by: Insomniac at March 21, 2016 03:13 PM (0mRoj)

573 I'm old enough to remember when Instapundit was pimping Jacksonian Democrats like Jim Webb as deficit Hawks.
***
Sometime in the 90s it appears the notion of "moderate democrat" died.

You either have to be fully aligned with the leftwing leadership of the party or you will be kicked to the wayside.

It would be interesting to have a sit down, off the record discussion with Webb. I get the suspicion he feels a little bit unhappy about selling his honor for his 30 pieces of silver.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 21, 2016 03:13 PM (pibXr)

574 I'm pretty sure Get a Grip sucks cock by choice.

I'm pretty sure it's Hector.

I'm positive the troll earlier this morning was.

Hits all the same notes, try as it might.

Posted by: Hector's Inflatable WIfe at March 21, 2016 03:13 PM (iLoHX)

575 Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has the Asbestos Undershorts
You Need for Your Internet Flame-Wars! at March 21, 2016 03:10 PM
(hLRSq)

Weird. I restarted my phone three times, got all different hashes and each time my comments got automatically zapped.

Oh well, I have better things to do at work.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at March 21, 2016 03:13 PM (+eR2D)

576
Many have been pushed past their Give a Fuck point for quite a while, and really don't care who will or will not be "most electable against Hillary". They're pissed for a reason and it's not because the perfect hair and suit people on TV tell them it's resentment at losing their "White Privilege".

In November, we'll see just how angry and frustrated, and fed up Americans really are. I get a sense that they're pretty upset. If they're as angry as some think, the Democrats (who are pretty happy and think things are going great) are going to be really, really stunned.

If they aren't, then Hillary wins and we gnash our teeth in horror and confusion at how far gone our country has gotten. This is the end I expect to see. I think the number of people who are angry are many, but only few have the correct target in their sights.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 21, 2016 03:13 PM (39g3+)

577 If we start with the judgment of "morally right", who makes the call? Because I've heard what the Left calls "morally right".

Every Right is something that is worth killing for.

Right to Life.

Right to Property.

Right to Free Thought.

You tell me - is there any Right that is not worth killing for?

Is killing, or not killing, a question that needs to reference what is morally right?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 03:14 PM (uURQL)

578
The only people who believe there is racism on the right are brain addled leftists and New York based right wing writers.
***
If you believe that you should judge men by the content of their character, and not the color of their skin, you are almost certainly a conservative.

And the State Media will call you a racist for it.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 21, 2016 03:15 PM (pibXr)

579 I'm not sure what "right" means anymore. What is a right?

A license granted explicitly by the State? If so, then they are only dispensations allowed and enforced by the power of the State.

And if that's the case, then might makes right.

Unless there are natural rights that do not originate in the State's power to grant or enforce.

Posted by: Feh at March 21, 2016 03:15 PM (gcoUL)

580 The alt-right is the ex-Ronulans. They didn't vanish just because Herr Doktor decided to sit this one out.
Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 03:10 PM (MCmqp)

I know. They're cretins. They don't merit the linkage to actual conservatives. They're the Bernie supporters of the conservative movement, which is to say, a large vocal embarrassment who are 60% right on the topics and 100% wrong on the style.

It's all about style, baby.

Look at Obama. Look at Trump.

And say it with me: There is no alt right.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 03:16 PM (xuouz)

581 546 ... We have a winner.

The time for staying "intellectually above the fray" is drawng to a close. At that point, wittily written blog posts about the foolishness of tribal identities will not amount to shit.

You'll pick a side, or perish. Or pick a side and perish. Not picking a side and surviving simply is not on the list.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 21, 2016 03:16 PM (zfvHs)

582 Are you advocating the abolition of defamation laws?

Posted by: Insomniac at March 21, 2016 03:13 PM (0mRoj)
No, but in order to be true defamation, there must be some tangible real harm that was caused as a result. Not just "his lies give me the sadz".

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 03:16 PM (+Fl7e)

583 the Democrats (who are pretty happy and think things are going great)
***
They've been looting the treasury since 2001...why wouldn't they be happy?

Posted by: 18-1 at March 21, 2016 03:16 PM (pibXr)

584 So let's go back to the Right to Lie that chemjeff asserts exists.

Which lies are you willing to kill for, chemjeff?

Like, you tell this lie, and it makes this guy mad and he wants to stop you from telling it, so you kill him, cause you have a Right to Lie and he does not have a Right to stop you from telling lies.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 03:16 PM (uURQL)

585 And say it with me: There is no alt right.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 03:16 PM (xuouz)
So you want me to lie for the sake of tribal loyalty?

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 03:17 PM (+Fl7e)

586 Are you advocating the abolition of defamation laws?
Posted by: Insomniac at March 21, 2016 03:13 PM (0mRoj)

He has announced to all far and wide he is not supporting the Republican nominee and is fine with hillary being in the White House so he advocates for anything that can hurt a Republican

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 03:17 PM (mw8Dm)

587 @365: "It is legal to publish lies, you know."

There also used to be a pretty effective remedy: dueling. It was a pretty good system - say whatever you want, but you bet your head on it, quite literally.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at March 21, 2016 03:17 PM (rznWS)

588 I guess we disagree then. You say they don't exist, I say they do, the people who qualify themselves as such say they do.
Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 03:13 PM (R5HRU)

OK OK OK OK OK

It IS semantic.

I'm saying they certainly do exist, I know they do. Don't call them the right. They don't merit it. They're fucking racists and misogynists.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 03:17 PM (xuouz)

589 >>>>580 The alt-right is the ex-Ronulans. They didn't vanish just because Herr Doktor decided to sit this one out.
Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 03:10 PM (MCmqp)
I know. They're cretins. They don't merit the linkage to actual conservatives. They're the Bernie supporters of the conservative movement, which is to say, a large vocal embarrassment who are 60% right on the topics and 100% wrong on the style.

Um...no.

They co-opted MY movement and destroyed it. GamerGate is pretty much useless now thanks to them and the idiots that thought we needed their 'alliance' or whatever.

You can ignore them all you want. But they're very interested in you.

Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 03:17 PM (MCmqp)

590 So you want me to lie for the sake of tribal loyalty?
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 03:17 PM (+Fl7e)

cj you didn't get invited to a lot of birthday parties, did you?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 03:17 PM (xuouz)

591 Posted by: ScoggDog at March 21, 2016 03:16 PM (zfvHs)

That's pretty chilling.

Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 03:17 PM (R5HRU)

592
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 03:16 PM (uURQL)
Umm, no, there is no right to murder. I don't even know where that came from.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 03:18 PM (+Fl7e)

593 Polls. All the polls are right, up to the point when they are not. like Michigan, recently in the Democrat Primary. Or England's election. Or 2014. It keeps happening more and more.

Heck, even in 2012, the polls were off. Nate Silver was the only one that got it right. Some polls showed an Obama win, but not by nearly as much as the final numbers showed. They were all off base but somehow Nate Silver got it almost exactly to the number right, but in the exact sequence in which the night developed. Somehow.

Sometime in the 90s it appears the notion of "moderate democrat" died.

You either have to be fully aligned with the leftwing leadership of the party or you will be kicked to the wayside.

I think it happened in 2004. They went ballistic at losing again to Bush and the leadership ripped off their masks.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 21, 2016 03:18 PM (39g3+)

594 so Fidel Castro's net worth is approx 900 million?

Honestly, what does Fidel need any money for? Doesn't he basically own Cuba?

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 21, 2016 03:18 PM (evdj2)

595 He has announced to all far and wide he is not
supporting the Republican nominee and is fine with hillary being in the
White House so he advocates for anything that can hurt a Republican

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 03:17 PM (mw8Dm)
Well, we see that NGU is exercising his right to lie again

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 03:19 PM (+Fl7e)

596 582 Are you advocating the abolition of defamation laws?

Posted by: Insomniac at March 21, 2016 03:13 PM (0mRoj)
No, but in order to be true defamation, there must be some tangible real harm that was caused as a result. Not just "his lies give me the sadz".
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 03:16 PM (+Fl7e).

You are incorrect. There are several categories of defamation per se wherein damages are presumed and do not have to be proven.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 21, 2016 03:19 PM (0mRoj)

597 You tell me - is there any Right that is not worth killing for?

Do you consider the same things "rights" as our Adversaries? Because I'm willing to bet you don't. And therein lies the problem--not only will they not defend some of what you or I see as "rights", they actively wish to extirpate them.

If we consider "rights" subject to moral sanction, we're in the same conditional language the Left uses. That's the problem.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at March 21, 2016 03:19 PM (9krrF)

598 I think we need a new thread.

Posted by: Soona at March 21, 2016 03:19 PM (Fmupd)

599 In November, we'll see just how angry and frustrated, and fed up Americans really are. I get a sense that they're pretty upset. If they're as angry as some think, the Democrats (who are pretty happy and think things are going great) are going to be really, really stunned.

If they aren't, then Hillary wins and we gnash our teeth in horror and confusion at how far gone our country has gotten.

CT, then the country burns that much faster.

But burn it will. Mr. Maths won't be denied.
Placated, maybe. Denied? Never.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 21, 2016 03:19 PM (LtRrq)

600 So you want me to lie for the sake of tribal loyalty?
***
As an aside, this is a significant reason for the success of the left. At this point it is almost automatic...but leftwingers will say whatever benefits the left at the moment...and it provides them a lot of unity.

I'm not suggesting that we do the same...and I don't think we could if we wanted to because we are very, very different...but the fact that the left has complete loyalty and we have...constant bickering is a major factor in the current political moment.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 21, 2016 03:19 PM (pibXr)

601 Well, we see that NGU is exercising his right to lie again
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 03:19 PM (+Fl7e)

Oh yeah:

Are you going to support the Republican Nominee for President? Yes or No.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 03:20 PM (mw8Dm)

602 They co-opted MY movement and destroyed it. GamerGate is pretty much useless now thanks to them and the idiots that thought we needed their 'alliance' or whatever.
You can ignore them all you want. But they're very interested in you.
Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 03:17 PM (MCmqp)

Gamergate isn't an identity it was a response to a specific threat to artistic expression. That specific threat was neutralized, although the larger threat remains. And even if you disagree, you should, you must agree that the battleground has shifted. Don't get caught up in immortalizing digital phenomena.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 03:20 PM (xuouz)

603
Honestly, what does Fidel need any money for? Doesn't he basically own Cuba?
***
Any dictator knows that he might at some point need to flee the country to France...and France ain't cheap.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 21, 2016 03:21 PM (pibXr)

604 Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 03:16 PM (uURQL)

Umm, no, there is no right to murder. I don't even know where that came from.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 03:18 PM (+Fl7e)

If you have the Right to Life, then killing someone who tries to enslave you, or to kill you, is self defense and not murder.

If you have the Right to Property, then killing someone who tries to take your property (livelihood!) away by force is self defense and not murder.

If you have the Right to Free Speech, then killing someone who tries to control your thoughts and make you a slave, is again, not murder.

So if you have the Right to Lie, then killing someone who tries to stop you from lying is clearly not murder. Because Natural Right.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 03:21 PM (uURQL)

605 Are you going to support the Republican Nominee for President? Yes or No.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 03:20 PM (mw8Dm)
If it's Trump? No.
If it's someone other than Trump? Maybe.
Neither of which says that "I am fine" with Hillary as president, which is what you lied about.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 03:21 PM (+Fl7e)

606 I declare this thread shallow and pedantic.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 03:21 PM (xuouz)

607 Well I have a patient, but we all know the answer to that question I just asked.

LMAO

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 03:22 PM (mw8Dm)

608 I don't agree with any of this "left" and "right" language. None of these labels makes sense to me anymore.

What makes more sense is "federalist" and "democrat." The former are centralizers and love the power of the State. The second are decentralizers and favor popular sovereignties.

Democrats and Republicans are uniparty federalists. Tea party types and Trumpers are democrats in the most traditional sense.

The "alt-right" people are simply tribalists.

Posted by: Feh at March 21, 2016 03:22 PM (gcoUL)

609 It's ridiculous to blame Instapundit and/or David Brooks most of America can't name the VP of the United States.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at March 21, 2016 03:12 PM (mcm0N)

No big deal. It's likely that the VP doesn't know who his name either.

Posted by: Damiano at March 21, 2016 03:22 PM (XItbt)

610 nood

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 03:22 PM (xuouz)

611 @390: "If that were true, history would only be about the richest person of each era.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 02:32 PM (uURQL)

So I guess you never heard of guys named Rockefeller or Roosevelt?"

Shitload Of Irish Immigrants Die In Titanic Disaster;
also, couple of dudes named Astor and Guggenheim

Posted by: Newspaper Headlines Across American 4.15.12 at March 21, 2016 03:22 PM (rznWS)

612
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 03:21 PM (uURQL)
That is not the acid test on whether something is a natural right or not. There are ways to protect one's natural rights that don't come down to murder. Sheesh.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 03:22 PM (+Fl7e)

613 594 so Fidel Castro's net worth is approx 900 million?

Honestly, what does Fidel need any money for? Doesn't he basically own Cuba?
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 21, 2016

-------------

Hell, that's probably what the net worth of Cuba is right now. Isn't communism grand?

Posted by: Soona at March 21, 2016 03:22 PM (Fmupd)

614
Are you going to support the Republican Nominee for President? Yes or No.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 03:20 PM (mw8Dm)
If it's Trump? No.
If it's someone other than Trump? Maybe.
Neither of which says that "I am fine" with Hillary as president, which is what you lied about.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 03:21 PM (+Fl7e)

Nice tap dancing you do there, but you just answered it. a resounding NO.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2016 03:23 PM (mw8Dm)

615 From that quick list, we find there is a difference between the Right to Free Speech, and the Right to Lie. It's not okay to kill someone so you can say lies.

Your Right to Free Speech is really a Right to Tell the Truth. But we're not able to verify everything is truthful ... so we used a broader standard.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 03:23 PM (uURQL)

616 #40 AllenG - basically, reluctance does not equal inability, as the GOP will learn.

Well said!

Posted by: acethepug at March 21, 2016 03:23 PM (Z6yF/)

617 I believe that Stalin is considered to be the richest man who ever lived. He owned, in every practical sense, everything and everyone in the entire Soviet Union.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at March 21, 2016 03:24 PM (evdj2)

618 That is not the acid test on whether something is a natural right or not. There are ways to protect one's natural rights that don't come down to murder. Sheesh.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 03:22 PM (+Fl7e)

You don't understand force, or war.

Leave it to your betters, then.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 03:24 PM (uURQL)

619 Are you going to support the Republican Nominee for President? Yes or No.

Yes, because I am totes anti-establishment, free thinking, and all that other stuff that Twitter and Facebook say are good things to be!

Posted by: Sooper Smart Conservative at March 21, 2016 03:26 PM (XItbt)

620 No matter who is the "most electable" or "has the best poll numbers against Hillary" doesn't really matter in the General.

John McCain and Mitt Romney became uber right wing women hating racist fascists in the narrative of the MSM. Ted Cruz will be portrayed as Cotton Mather and Joe McCarthy rolled into one, Kasich's old "family values" campaigns will be brought against him. Rubio a sham Latino, and Bush another spoiled entitled child of the Bush dynasty. Obviously we know how they'll portray Trump, but when facing the dirtiest politicians ever in the Clintons, he'll fight back just as dirty, not take it and "focus on the issues".

Not an endorsement of Trump, just a little perspective when deciding who to support based on how they'll do against Hillary.

When facing the Clinton Slime Machine and the media complex in partnership with them, the duplicitous GOPe, and the ability of Obama to prop up Hillary with last minute "surprises", it's really an argument that's futile unless a big ass Black Swan knocks all the conspirators on their pampered asses.

Posted by: kbdabear at March 21, 2016 03:27 PM (9hVWo)

621 R-Monster ... I like the cut of your jib. Would you happen to have a newsletter to which I could subscribe ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 21, 2016 03:27 PM (zfvHs)

622 @410: "I believe that our current ruling class is even more blinkered and
myopic than the ruling classes of Europe a hundred years ago."

Looks like my sales are about to go through the roof again, then.

Posted by: Hiram Maxim at March 21, 2016 03:27 PM (rznWS)

623
@604

Oh BS.Your right to petition the government for redress covers every example you have used.

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 21, 2016 03:28 PM (lKyWE)

624 I support Free Speech!

If you disagree with me, I will kick your ass and Trump will pay my legal bills.

Posted by: Sooper Smart Conservative at March 21, 2016 03:28 PM (XItbt)

625 R-Monster ... I like the cut of your jib. Would you happen to have a newsletter to which I could subscribe ?

Nope, but I read a lot at Vox Populi. Excellent blog for sharpening your mind.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 03:28 PM (uURQL)

626 For the "Let it Burn" crowd, I watched the CNN special on Cuba last night.

If you want to see a "Let it Burn" result, that was a good overview.
The country is not only frozen in 1957, but it is in horrible condition. Even more so as the Soviet Union fell and Russia lost interest for better hunting grounds in SA and took it's money with it.
Something like 80% of all the buildings in Havana are not just in bad repair, but are almost inhabitable. Everything is falling apart. The water system in the city hasn't been updated since the 1920's, when it was built. As a result, the gov. rations water daily.
There are people on the street who have set up little crates in which they refill disposable lighters. The gov. makes all decisions regarding what crops can be grown, how much, etc.

We got a glimpse of one of the famous govt. health care centers. Uhhuh. CNN dutifully reported that the mortality rate for women in Cuba is lower than the USA(of course, no one mentions that few people are overweight, because there isn't much food to go around and that everyone walks, rides bicycles if they can put one together from scrap, or hitches up the skinny horse or donkey). No, CNN left it sounding as if the govt. health care system there is just top notch.

The govt. is allowing people to buy houses. One house in the city, one in the country. The gentleman being interviewed about this said he bought an 1800 square foot house for $650 US dollars. Now, consider that the average Cuban is paid $20 a month, that is a sum of money. He said the problem is, you cannot buy paint, nails, boards, etc. to repair them and you have to go through the govt. for permission to employ tradesman.

They interviewed a local rap star who walks a tight line with the government censors. She commented that she is concerned that if the USA opens up trade with Cuba and people are buying private property, that will mean that Cuban's will be buying guns to protect that property and that scares her. Right now, people simply box each other in fights.

The people are a combinations of nothing will change, we don't know anything else, we are poor because of the US, and fear of the govt. They make do with what little they have and praise the govt. for it.

Posted by: Jen the original at March 21, 2016 03:28 PM (le0GR)

627 @417: "IIRC, not true. You have to *prove* that you suffered damages, not just that the writer wrote something with the intent to harm."

No, there's also "Defamation per se".

Posted by: Hiram Maxim at March 21, 2016 03:29 PM (rznWS)

628 If you disagree with me, I will kick your ass and Trump will pay my legal bills.
Posted by: Sooper Smart Conservative at March 21, 2016 03:28 PM (XItbt)

But who will pay the bills for your poor, hurt butt?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 03:29 PM (xuouz)

629 Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 21, 2016 03:17 PM (xuouz)

Fair enough.

Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 03:30 PM (R5HRU)

630 Since we are talking about legal theories. What if Hulk Hogan was filmed at his friends house by his friend talking about how much he hated Ronald Reagan and went on a long rant about how Republicans are evil and racist and that was published by Gawker. Should he be given the same verdict consideration ? ( by the way I think they will be able to present info at appeal that Hogan knew he was being filmed) .

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 21, 2016 03:30 PM (2d71x)

631 623 ... I call bullshit to your call of bullshit.

When your government ceases to give a fuck, your petition for redress does not count for shit.

Americans have played that game before.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 21, 2016 03:30 PM (zfvHs)

632 >>>Gamergate isn't an identity it was a response to a specific threat to artistic expression. That specific threat was neutralized, although the larger threat remains. And even if you disagree, you should, you must agree that the battleground has shifted. Don't get caught up in immortalizing digital phenomena.

Uhhhhhh. No.

It started out as a revolt against corrupt gaming media, then turned into free speech advocacy and anti-SJW attitudes. A LOT of the language I see people using online now with regards to the authoritarian left came out of GamerGate's online fights. Which went well beyond Sarkessian and Quinn.

GamerGate collapsed when the alt-right started working it's way into the movement, under the pretense anti-SJWism and free-speech advocacy. 'Racism IS free speech' was often an excuse to let them in. 'We need more allies' was another.

So it shattered the movement, people weren't willing to welcome out and proud white-nationalists into the fold, so that was that. Nothing was neutralized or won, it was more about being a watch-dog against corruption and SJWs in general. Now it's gone, thanks to Ricky Vaughn and the WhiteGenocide Brigade.

Posted by: El Kabong at March 21, 2016 03:31 PM (MCmqp)

633 Hey I just wanted to mention, as a Gen Xer, we totally pass on that "next leaders" thing.

Good luck Millennials! You guys were always really gung-ho and stuff.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at March 21, 2016 03:31 PM (TLX//)

634 One of the many things that bothered me about that Arizona protest that blocked the road was no one turned around and went the other way. They all just stopped and stood there. No one drove along the shoulder. There was one vehicle that pushed through the crowd.

The Police made no effort to route people around the obstruction.

They all just stood there like sheep.

Posted by: Rogland Brostle at March 21, 2016 02:39 PM (ZllM+)

--------------------------

Well there was a line of people that walked three miles to get to the rally. Some people did stuff.

I'm more disappointed in the police for only arresting three people.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at March 21, 2016 03:32 PM (LXJ1e)

635 @428: "Will it be brutal by Civil War standards?"

Most of the Civil War was pretty tame by civil war standards. Stuff like Bleeding Kansas is closer to the norm.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at March 21, 2016 03:32 PM (rznWS)

636 Oh BS.Your right to petition the government for redress covers every example you have used.

That's not a natural right.

That's part of the societal contract - we need to work together to protect our collective rights, and we have this process so that natural rights are still protected despite societal restrictions.

When the government is injust and violates the natural rights, the government sows the seeds for its downfall and replacement.

You can clarify thoughts on this subject a lot faster if you start with a 2 person scenario - what rights can rightly be asserted if you're on a deserted island with one other person, and you have to live the rest of your lives together?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 03:33 PM (uURQL)

637
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 21, 2016 03:30 PM (2d71x)

The issue I thought was with them showing Hogans dong, not so much the conversation?

Either way people have a right to privacy and to say what they want in the privacy of their own homes. Whether it's vile, racist or whatever.

Posted by: thathalfrican - be water my friend at March 21, 2016 03:35 PM (R5HRU)

638
When your government ceases to give a fuck, your petition for redress does not count for shit. Americans have played that game before.

Then nothing is murder at that point because its our form of government has broke down and its chaos.if i'm starving and you have food i have a right to eat

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 21, 2016 03:39 PM (lKyWE)

639 if i'm starving and you have food i have a right to eat

Right to Steal to Eat, eh?

I'm going to side with Shoot Looters on Sight here.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 03:41 PM (uURQL)

640 @504: "Why equate the Alt-Right with racism just because they reject the leftist narrative regarding race?"

Uh, precisely because they reject the leftist narrative regarding race. Support whitey? You're racist. Be less than complimentary of anyone other than whitey? You're racist.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at March 21, 2016 03:41 PM (rznWS)

641
Then nothing is murder at that point because its
our form of government has broke down and its chaos.if i'm starving and
you have food i have a right to eat

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 21, 2016 03:39 PM (lKyWE)

That is the natural world, and if you wish to go by those rules, the laws of nature, then you only have the right to eat if you are strong enough to take your food. Are you sure you want to live in that world.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 21, 2016 03:42 PM (/1gXq)

642
@641
I don't want to live in that world,thats my point.He is basically claiming that any enfrigment on his constitutional rights giveshim a green light to murder

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 21, 2016 03:50 PM (lKyWE)

643 84 >>>>Collapse happened in 2012.

2008 was America's suicide.
2012 was the body flopping in the tub.

Posted by: Dr. Emilio Lizardo aka Mortimer at March 21, 2016 01:40 PM (HA9zO)

2016: The "cleaner" appears with a gallon of acid down the throat to make sure it's dead.

Posted by: Drill Thrawl at March 21, 2016 03:50 PM (idPle)

644 @557: "Constitutional conservatism requires racial equality. Full stop. We fought a civil war about that."

Uh, you might want to read some of Lincoln's lesser-publicized quotes on the issue of racial equality. He wasn't a fan. He may have been against race-based slavery, but he wasn't a Rainbow Coalition type.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at March 21, 2016 03:53 PM (rznWS)

645 I don't want to live in that world,thats my point.He is basically claiming that any enfrigment on his constitutional rights giveshim a green light to murder
Posted by: flawless male logic at March 21, 2016 03:50 PM (lKyWE)

So do you think employing violence indirectly through a government monopoly takes the "murder" out of it?

I say it does not.

Rights are the things we have a right to defend to our last breath. They are things that others can agree is our right to defend. They are things that others may pledge their lives to help us defend - because it is right to defend such things as rights.

The division between rights and what is right is a false one.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 21, 2016 03:55 PM (uURQL)

646 @573: "Sometime in the 90s it appears the notion of "moderate democrat" died.

You either have to be fully aligned with the leftwing leadership of the party or you will be kicked to the wayside."

The Dems were smart - they purged their weaker links and potential Quislings. The GOP elevated theirs to leadership.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at March 21, 2016 03:55 PM (rznWS)

647 @577: "You tell me - is there any Right that is not worth killing for?"

Well, the country has already decided that the Right to Free Association wasn't worth it. As soon as they did that, the battle was lost. The country may have banned it out a well-meaning impulse to do right, but once that was gone, the rest was inevitable.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at March 21, 2016 03:58 PM (rznWS)

648 You'll pick a side, or perish. Or pick a side and perish. Not picking a side and surviving simply is not on the list.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 21, 2016 03:16 PM (zfvHs)

People don't get that. All this multicultural crap was okay when the pie was growing. If I get a dollar more then I don't mind so much that the government takes .35$ and gives it to someone else. However, when I lose a dollar I care a great deal. The pie is starting to shrink and there are more of us than ever before. This doesn't end well, and you will take a side, or die, and even if you do, you may end up just as dead. This realization is frightening at first, but you'll settle into to simple despair after a bit.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 21, 2016 04:01 PM (/1gXq)

649 640 Exactly. I find it both sad and alarming that so-called rightists get the same shot of self-righteous euphoria that leftoids get when they are able to publicly proclaim their goodthink regarding race. One would think that there is no high in the world quite as potent. "I believe in low taxes and school choice, but the cool kids will see that I'm really just as cool as they are if I condemn anyone who rejects the leftist narrative on race, you'll see. They will too let me hang with them."

Tip: no matter how many black or brown little old ladies you help cross the street, the leftists will still loathe you.

Didn't someone just write a book about that kind of thinking?

Posted by: Marcus Aurelius' Underpants at March 21, 2016 04:02 PM (EsN3H)

650 @592: "Umm, no, there is no right to murder. I don't even know where that came from."

The Right to Self-Preservation. The first Right above all others. The concept of murder really comes down to whether or not society agrees with the killing in question. If yes, it's not murder. If no, it is.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at March 21, 2016 04:03 PM (rznWS)

651 642

@641

I don't want to live in that world,thats my point.He is basically
claiming that any enfrigment on his constitutional rights giveshim a
green light to murder

Posted by: flawless male logic at March 21, 2016 03:50 PM (lKyWE)

What you want doesn't matter unless you have the power to force your desires upon the environment. These are all old rules, that polite society has encouraged us to forget. Reality is like a howling pit of chaos in the living room that got covered over with wallpaper. The house got sold but nobody told the new owners it was there. They'll discover it at the least opportune time.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 21, 2016 04:09 PM (/1gXq)

652 Exactly. I find it both sad and alarming that so-called rightists get
the same shot of self-righteous euphoria that leftoids get when they are
able to publicly proclaim their goodthink regarding race. One would
think that there is no high in the world quite as potent. "I believe in
low taxes and school choice, but the cool kids will see that I'm really
just as cool as they are if I condemn anyone who rejects the leftist
narrative on race, you'll see. They will too let me hang with them."

Oh for heaven's sake. For the last time (I hope):

I reject the alt-right framing of racial issues not *because* they reject the leftwing narrative - good for them - but because they seek to replace the leftwing narrative with an explicitly racist narrative.

I don't support the leftwing narrative of "hate whitey", and I don't support the alt-right narrative of "white tribalism". This isn't that hard to understand.

And it has nothing to do with wanting to feel cool among liberals or wanting to fit in with them. I totally realize they are going to call me a racist no matter what I say. It is because I believe, profoundly and fundamentally, in human equality and anti-racism.

Some of you seem to think that if I want to stand athwart leftwing racism, that I have to embrace rightwing racism. I say it is a false choice. One can stand athwart racism of all types.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 04:15 PM (+Fl7e)

653 Any guesses on the race of the person the left will enshrine in their Horst Wessel song?
My guess is an illegal Central American who dies in a protester-police confrontation in Cleveland. You just know they have this planned out.

I'm hoping for a snazzy salsa tune. Something danceable.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at March 21, 2016 04:16 PM (FtrY1)

654 One time a year or two ago when we started examining the collapse of law and order in America, a previous version of me made some very strong comparisons to the disintegration of Yugoslavia along ethnic and political fault lines. I also got banned for it.

Since I am also firmly convinced my posting here got the NSA handing my ISP and personal info to the Political and Economic Warfare Department of the IRS cost me thousands of dollars in an audit, I have cranked my horns in.

I like this new handle and don't want to lose it. Suffice it to say I think a lot of vets aren't getting ready to go Galt. Judging by the collection some folks have racked up in the last few years, it is a country getting ready to Simo Hayha. We have a lot of rather nihilist vets from a few units I was in, guys who cut their teeth in the Balkans, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Guys shit on by the VA, the IRS, and the Obama economy.

I do not support that kind of shit, but if it goes off, I have enough combat experience and graduate level historical education after that to see how we got there.

Buckle up, kids.

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at March 21, 2016 04:17 PM (u4OEB)

655 Proverbs 11:29
He that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind

Posted by: bubba at March 21, 2016 04:21 PM (xFKZn)

656 Not so many Republicans wanted to vote for the Conservative in the primary

Posted by: bubba at March 21, 2016 04:30 PM (xFKZn)

657 ***Don't look at me, I gave the Horde Kate Upton in a bunny outfit. ****

Forev grateful, m'am.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at March 21, 2016 04:31 PM (9OMfa)

658 Ace: You and Red State created Trump. And Trump and his supporters are not smaller government conservatives. They are not even small government conservatives. They are big government folks. You set the groundwork for their release by your immigration ranting. Thanks a lot. That religious nut, Cruz is almost as bad as Trump.

Posted by: Arkansas Yankee at March 21, 2016 04:38 PM (Je4OY)

659 I am extremely disappointed I did not expostulate this myself, even though I intuitively knew it and was sort of nibbling around the edges. Top marks.

Good behavior got nothing but contempt. Reap it if things get worse. Frankly, I think folks are fools if they stay in the present system, but all honor to them if they forbear, fir they will have richly earned praise for doing so.

Posted by: Horatius at March 21, 2016 04:50 PM (J3UIw)

660 658
Ace: You and Red State created Trump. And Trump and his supporters are
not smaller government conservatives. They are not even small
government conservatives. They are big government folks. You set the
groundwork for their release by your immigration ranting. Thanks a lot.
That religious nut, Cruz is almost as bad as Trump.

Posted by: Arkansas Yankee at March 21, 2016 04:38 PM (Je4OY)

Those Trump supporters don't have much more going on than fungus. If Ace had only kept quiet it would have went without a hitch. Riddle me this Batman: when was the last time the GOP did anything that resembled support for small government, other than telling you they support small government during a campaign? Was it when a Republican house passed every spending increase? You deserve to be swept away.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 21, 2016 05:01 PM (/1gXq)

661 652

Some of you seem to think that if I want to
stand athwart leftwing racism, that I have to embrace rightwing racism. I
say it is a false choice. One can stand athwart racism of all types.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 04:15 PM (+Fl7e)

You need to go to the main page and watch the video of the no go zone in Sweden, and realize that you will choose a side. Actually, you don't have to since they've already chosen your side for you. You can simply accept your default assignment, or choose not to play, and see how that goes.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 21, 2016 05:05 PM (/1gXq)

662 660 I tried to compromise with you with Rubio. But you insisted on the religious nut who does not get along with anybody. So be it. P

Posted by: Arkansas Yankee at March 21, 2016 05:26 PM (Je4OY)

663 Now you're attacking the source. Guess you didn't bother to read the article then?

Posted by: chemjeff at March 21, 2016 03:07 PM (+Fl7e)

I sure did, and guilt by association is tedious. By the way, "Cuckservative", a portmanteau of Cuckold and Conservative, DOES seem to apply to David Brooks and his ilk. He lets Lady Liberty get molested by the Demunists and does nothing about it.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 21, 2016 05:29 PM (ujg0T)

664 I sincerely hope he'll put a flashing TRUMP sign when he moves in the White Hut....

Posted by: G6loq at March 21, 2016 05:33 PM (zj+JZ)

665 660 I tried to compromise with you with Rubio. But
you insisted on the religious nut who does not get along with anybody.
So be it. P

Posted by: Arkansas Yankee at March 21, 2016 05:26 PM (Je4OY)

Rubio was your compromise? HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!!!1!!!!!!1! Are you actually David Brooks, or perhaps his much more poorly informed brother?

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 21, 2016 05:37 PM (/1gXq)

666 You set the groundwork for their release by your immigration ranting.

Because importing masses of people prone to voting for more government programs will help small government!!!!

Really, do you immigration romantics get it? At least the cynical greedheads who want cheaper gardeners and maids have a rationale.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 21, 2016 05:49 PM (ujg0T)

667 I hope Ace gets money from each comment on Trump threads. If he does, he will be driving a Maserati soon.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2016 05:59 PM (mlyQI)

668 BTW, the case NYT v. Sullivan was a strange case to being with. It dealt with an ad placed in the NYT that had some factual errors. A commissioner (who was not mentioned by name in the ad) sued claiming that he was libeled. The Alabama state courts held against the NYT for big money concluding with the Alabama Sup. Ct affirming the judgment. The U.S. Supreme Court created the doctrine of either proving malice or a reckless disregard of the truth, btw chemjeff certain false accusations are per se damaging such as claiming someone is a rapist who is not so your statement is incomplete. In fact, most of the Sup. Ct's decision like much of the Warren court's disregard for legal niceties was obiter dicta (extraneous reasoning not needed for the opinion).

A simple reversal based on the commissioner not being libeled because he was not named in the ad plus the fact that the NYT should not be required to proof advertisements by third parties as they should be liable and not the paper.

The standard for libel in most states and the U.S. Supreme Court is the
clear and convincing evidence std. which is the highest std. in civil
litigation see Gertz v. Robert Welch, Inc. 418 U.S. 323 (1974) which fleshed out the seminal case of NYT v. Sullivan.

Westmoreland vs CBS and Sharon v. Time mag. basically nailed down the relative impossibility of suing for slander of libel even if you become a public figure by accident. Other countries that have a free press such as Britain do not have this level of legal protection for the press.

Posted by: whig at March 21, 2016 06:17 PM (mlyQI)

669
Wow, marvelous blog layout! How long have you been blogging for? you make blogging look easy. The overall look of your website is magnificent, let alone the content!

Also visit my web site; www.ukclassads.com

Posted by: Uk Classifieds at April 13, 2016 05:05 AM (3fwY/)

Processing 0.06, elapsed 0.0793 seconds.
15 queries taking 0.0261 seconds, 678 records returned.
Page size 415 kb.
Powered by Minx 0.8 beta.