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Cooptation, for Fun and For Profit

Whatever you think of Romney's remarks today, I think most people agree they'll have very little effect.

Romney isn't talking to Trump voters. He doesn't even seem to be trying, for the most part. He is talking to people who already agree with him.

There's a lot of consternation among the Establishment that, for example, Rush Limbaugh hasn't done enough to denounce Trump. (BTW, Mark Levin has been screaming about Trump for almost two months now. But he gets no credit from the Establishment for that, and in fact is still lumped in with Hannity, because Levin supports the other candidate the Establishment finds so distasteful, Ted Cruz.)

But the question I'd ask is this: Why do you need Limbaugh to denounce Trump? That is to ask: Why is it that you have none among your own number with the credibility with the base, and/or working class voters, who could denounce him?

Why is it, in short, that you find yourself in a position where you have desperate need of someone trusted and respected by the base and/or working class, but must enlist such persons from outside your own ranks?

Why isn't there someone with credibility with these people a quick phone call away from Romney, Ryan, and the rest of the gang?

Why do no major GOP officials or high partisans have any kind of moral authority and popularity sufficient to denounce Trump?

The answer is simple: Because rather than incorporating outsiders into their movement -- coopting them, forging tactical alliances with give-and-take - the Establishment has instead pursued a strategy of simply squelching such persons and closing them off from any position of influence completely.

Let's look at the Freedom Caucus. A group of 40 Representatives which has a lot of credibility with Trump voters (I assume) due to their outsider view of politics and (generally) anti-amnesty agenda.

Sure would be a good thing if Paul Ryan could call upon them now to urge voters to abandon Trump.

But Ryan can't do that. Because the establishment has spent years making fun of them, calling them stupid and crazy, etc. Freezing them out of all positions of power. Hell, Boehner actually had a plan to strip them of what few committee postings they had. (He didn't go through with it.)

Instead of co-opting this force, they instead ran liberal SJW exclusion/ostracism games on them.

Not to mention the constant denigration of Limabaugh and Levin as the "Entertainment Wing." Hey, maybe that's why they're not exactly rushing to bail your asses out of this one, guys.

Is this a Big Tent party, or is this a party an exclusive little cocktail party for a certain breed of government-friendly, liberal-assumption-conceding, Upwardly Mobile Middle Class Professional (or Aspriational) Country-Club types?

And yeah, let me once again repeat my observation that the same people saying that Trump is the New Hitler are still unwilling to even consider rallying behind Cruz, because Cruz is Not Quite Our Class, Dear.

He's Annoying and Loves Jesus, so, obviously, he won't do.

Gotta be the guy who most represents our class -- or we'll Burn it all down our own damn selves.

If you spend four years disappointing members of your would-be coalition, promising the heavens and delivering.., the Ex-Im Bank, then another two years actively pounding them down into nothing, you're going to learn, at a time most inconvenient to you, that it really would have been far better to seek accommodation with a somewhat different (but still very similar) bunch of people, instead of fighting to keep All the Toys for All the Time.

As Princess Leia wisely observed, the tighter you clench your fist, the more systems will slip through your fingers.

You share power with people who you need as allies. You do not seek to deny them every single bit of influence in the decision-making apparatus but then demand they rush to your aid when you've found you've shriveled the party into a pale, sickly thing, bent and stupid from inbreeding.

A herd that is genetically monoculture is easily wiped out by a change in climate. Herds that survive tough times are genetically diverse.

Narrowcasting: One major objection I had to Palin is that she was narrowcasting to a small cohort of the overall electorate. Whether or not I agreed with her was besides the point -- politically, she was inviable. You can't flatter and validate one cohort exclusively, and denigrate others (both implicitly and explicity), and expect to have the broad appeal needed to win.

For years I've been watching the GOP become more "selective" in its appeal, as Ian Faith would say, also narrowcasting and flattering and validating one cohort. It's just a different cohort's than Palin's.

It's also, we're now finding out, to some people's deep chagrin, actually smaller than Palin's.

Politics requires some politics, fellas. For God's sake. For God's sake. This is basic stuff.

Posted by: Ace at 04:36 PM




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1 Reading is fundamental.

Posted by: Roland THTG at March 03, 2016 04:37 PM (QM5S2)

2 Bammo!

Posted by: Yip at March 03, 2016 04:38 PM (e7T6D)

3 I've turned Rush off when he's been too pro Trump.

Posted by: Carol at March 03, 2016 04:39 PM (sj3Ax)

4 Teamwork is a bunch of people doing what I say.
-Larry Bossidy

Posted by: Roland THTG at March 03, 2016 04:39 PM (QM5S2)

5 But working with THOSE people would be so gauche! They even do their own...cooking!

Posted by: The GOPe at March 03, 2016 04:40 PM (X7E8f)

6 >>>Teamwork is a bunch of people doing what I say.
-Larry Bossidy

hah!

Posted by: ace at March 03, 2016 04:40 PM (dciA+)

7 Heh, Carol, I've been turning Rush off cause he can't contain his Cruz boner lately. Funny.

Posted by: Yip at March 03, 2016 04:40 PM (e7T6D)

8 Basically, I think Trump is the Let it Burn candidate.

I don't mind Cruz per se, but he's still (to me at least) a GOP member who plays by the rules.

Maybe not as establishment as Romney or McCain, but way more establishment than Trump and certainly not Let it Burn.

IMHO.

Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at March 03, 2016 04:41 PM (7FH+T)

9 Romney's remarks having very little effect... Echo... Echo...

Posted by: Roy at March 03, 2016 04:41 PM (VndSC)

10 I am not sure what or when but something is going to give with Trump

Posted by: Skip at March 03, 2016 04:42 PM (fizMZ)

11 Well said Ace! The establishment that has been ridiculing and mocking and ignoring a massive part of the base for years suddenly is paying attention to them. Their arrogance led them to believe that they could continue to do more of the same, pay them a pittance of lip service at election time and then demand their vote. Of course they just can't help themselves into condescending to the little people. Trump is not popular because of who he is, he's popular because of what the GOP has become.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 03, 2016 04:42 PM (btH0m)

12 Cruz is worse than not quite their class. He's a traitor to the class. He's Poldark. Except hopefully not shirtless in the fields.

Posted by: Lauren at March 03, 2016 04:42 PM (VchSY)

13 This post made a lot of sense.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 03, 2016 04:42 PM (0vdts)

14 Bent and stupid? Like that's a bad thing?

Posted by: Pecan Scandi at March 03, 2016 04:42 PM (9MYlc)

15 The folks who would have credibility in warning people against Trump are persona non grata within the GOPe.


They don't have a credible spokesman

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 03, 2016 04:42 PM (Qvgg/)

16 It's like witchcraft or something.

Posted by: COD at March 03, 2016 04:43 PM (326rv)

17 it really would have been far better to seek accommodation with a somewhat different (but still very similar) bunch of people

and therein lies the rub . . .
The Establishment believes they have far more in common with the moderates and the Dems than they do with the icky conservative base.

They are embarrassed by us, like your teenage daughter who wants you to drive her to school events, but park around the corner so nobody sees you near her.

Posted by: McCool at March 03, 2016 04:43 PM (TQxRy)

18 The establishment types live in an echo chamber. It's easy to become deluded under those circumstances

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2016 04:43 PM (mw8Dm)

19 Great points. Those of us who are anti-establishment and see Trump for what he is are in a box. We're in favor of Trumpism, but against Trump. This puts me firmly in the Cruz camp.

Posted by: duke at March 03, 2016 04:43 PM (EQNFN)

20 Who ghost-wrote this post?

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 03, 2016 04:43 PM (0vdts)

21 If I remember correctly, the Weepy Orange Drunk actually did strip Justin Amash and Tim Huelskamp of fairly important committee seats because they didn't fall in line and vote to expand government every time the GOP was worried about "optics".

Posted by: Furious George at March 03, 2016 04:43 PM (3GAnN)

22 So, how does the party leadership like Preibus get elected again?
***
Because if we could get a new one of those running right now it might make for a damn interesting scene.

The GOPe doesn't mind losing to Hillary...but the consultant class will mind be H1B'd by the Trumpkins...

Posted by: 18-1 at March 03, 2016 04:43 PM (X7E8f)

23 They are embarrassed by us, like your teenage daughter who wants you to drive her to school events, but park around the corner so nobody sees you near her.
Posted by: McCool at March 03, 2016 04:43 PM (TQxRy)

But depend on you to pay the bills

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2016 04:44 PM (mw8Dm)

24 In-breeding is right. The incest between K Street and the Establishment Republicans is sickening.

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2016 04:44 PM (IIQAD)

25 Honestly, imagine if 6 months ago, Rubio had given a speech incorporating those themes. Imagine if he had apologized for Gang of 8 - just came out and admit he made a big mistake, but he has heard the people.

I don't know if he would be any better off, but it couldn't be worse for him.

Needless to say, I agree with what you said Ace. I still don't think Trump is the vessel to save us, but we aren't at this point by accident.

Posted by: SH at March 03, 2016 04:44 PM (gmeXX)

26 In the end it is all about power and the GOP3's do not want to share that power with anyone, that's why none of this will work and trump will get the nomination.

If it wasn't Trump this time, it would have been someone else soon.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 03, 2016 04:44 PM (iONHu)

27 >>>a pale, sickly thing, bent and stupid from inbreeding.

I'll have you know there is not one pale thing about me.

Posted by: John Boehner at March 03, 2016 04:44 PM (R+30W)

28 Unfortunately Trump or Rubio have the credible GOP endorsements. It would have been great if Sessions or Gowdy had backed Cruz but they didn't. I'm just stocking up on more dry goods.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 03, 2016 04:44 PM (UGLi1)

29 -
a pale, sickly thing, bent and stupid from inbreeding.
----------------

Is that a shot?

Posted by: Bernie Sanders at March 03, 2016 04:44 PM (zxnPQ)

30 I really do wonder wtf the establishment was thinking marching Romney out to attack Trump.

Are they really *that* out of touch with the reason Trump is winning?

Posted by: Lauren at March 03, 2016 04:44 PM (VchSY)

31 shriveled the party into a pale, sickly thing, bent and stupid from inbreeding.

Peggy Noonan weeps with jealousy.
Brilliant, accurate phrasing!

Posted by: jwb7605 at March 03, 2016 04:44 PM (DofIg)

32 the GOPe hasn't listened to the base for decades now...

why the fuck would we listen to them now?

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 03, 2016 04:45 PM (ISW4H)

33 I am not sure what or when but something is going to give with Trump
Posted by: Skip

it's plausible. But then, many of us thought that JEF was such a failure that he wouldn't run again, and/or we were taking bets on when he would snap out.

But the MFM loves him.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 03, 2016 04:45 PM (326rv)

34 "Romney isn't talking to Trump voters. He doesn't even seem to be trying, for the most part. He is talking to people who already agree with him."

There's a lot of that going on. Validation of one's imagined superiority has become very important.

Does that point to insecurity?

Asking for a Bloomberg friend.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2016 04:45 PM (3myMJ)

35

Heh. The GOPe could probably use a Tea Partier or two right about now.

Too fvcking bad they ran them all off.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 03, 2016 04:45 PM (LUgeY)

36 So, Limbaugh and Levin are really proxies so that the establishment doesn't get cooties on them? I can just see Rince Penis asking Limbaugh, "Look, will you talk to your people and get them on board?".

Cooties. Y'all have grass roots cooties. No wonder the fly over you. Like bird flu up in here.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 03, 2016 04:45 PM (2PHKP)

37 Cruz is worse than not quite their class. He's a traitor to the class. He's Poldark. Except hopefully not shirtless in the fields. Posted by: Lauren at March 03, 2016 04:42 PM (VchSY)

Once you go Poldark, you don't go narc... wait.. that doesn't even make sense.

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 03, 2016 04:45 PM (UypUQ)

38 But the question I'd ask is this: Why do you need Limbaugh to denounce Trump? That is to ask: Why is it that you have none among your own number with the credibility with the base, and/or working class voters, who could denounce him?

Why is it, in short, that you find yourself in a position where you have desperate need of someone trusted and respected by the base and/or working class, but must enlist such persons from outside your own ranks?

Why isn't there someone with credibility with these people a quick phone call away from Romney, Ryan, and the rest of the gang?

Why do no major GOP officials or high partisans have any kind of moral authority and popularity sufficient to denounce Trump?



That's going to leave a mark. A richly deserved mark.

Also, this is why we can't quit you, ace. Because you sum up things with such purty words.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at March 03, 2016 04:45 PM (mf5HN)

39 Trump.

Gotta love that The Donald pisses off all the right people.

Posted by: just wait, you won't believe what happens next at March 03, 2016 04:45 PM (IQI2h)

40 Versailles was lovely in the spring....

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet carries ACME Brand Trump-Stoppers! at March 03, 2016 04:46 PM (hLRSq)

41 Rubio needs to get out NOW or it will be too late to overtake Trump. I'd swear the GOP would rather have a Democrat in office than that icky Cruz.

Posted by: Abby Normal at March 03, 2016 04:46 PM (y0rni)

42 The people on FB who appeared thrilled with romney are all democrats and far left ones to boot.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2016 04:46 PM (mw8Dm)

43 Rush BingBang is just a loudmouth who never puts his ass on the line for anything. He is just an entertainer.

I like Cruz. I like Trump. I hate Hillary.
Next up to be curb stomped is Rubio. After that I win either way.

Let the GOPe lose their souls, their animals anyway.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 03, 2016 04:46 PM (ej1L0)

44 Limbaugh had a lot of fun today, and had three most excellent callers.

Why has the GOP leadership lost their credibility?

Seven years of Obama.
McCain
Romney
Boehner
McConnel

Posted by: Willard Willabee at March 03, 2016 04:46 PM (pjIaw)

45
I'm just wondering what Mittens was hoping to accomplish. I mean, he's not stupid. He HAD to know that this wasn't going to move the needle.

The only thing I can think of is that he's hoping to be the White Knight coming to the party's rescue in a brokered convention. After all, the man's essentially been running for President for 30 years.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 03, 2016 04:46 PM (qiy4n)

46 Why do no major GOP officials or high partisans have any kind of moral authority and popularity sufficient to denounce Trump?

Or why did the GOP cede the populist platform to a cartoon of one?

Why are they insistent on shitting on a huge swath of the electorate?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 03, 2016 04:46 PM (A/3fN)

47
For me it's a dual-edged sword. I actually agree with much of Romney's rant. The problem is he is exactly the wrong guy to deliver this message as he represents what the people are angry about. I just am of the opinion that Trump is tapping into this rage a la Elmer Gantry/Lonesome Rose. Remember that Trump ran for president either last time or '08 but in the recent past and got nowhere. The thing is it's not that people love Trump, it's that he's mirroring/echoing their anger to his advantage.

That said, I will pull the lever for him as a last resort. And Mitt Romney can just shut up and go away.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2016 04:46 PM (p4UlV)

48 I really do wonder wtf the establishment was thinking marching Romney out to attack Trump.

Are they really *that* out of touch with the reason Trump is winning?


The dems have mommom and bernie. They only had two younger candidates. One never ran and the other flamed out early.

it could be that the GOPe simply doesn't have anyone else.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 03, 2016 04:46 PM (326rv)

49 Mitt vs. Obama in the first debate.
Mitt breathed fire was the clear winner.
Then, some one got to Mitt and he basically phoned it in from then on out.
Mitt never wanted the job.
He couldn't beat Obama, one of the worst presidents we have ever seen and an even worse politician.

Go take a long walk off a short pier, Mitt. And I mean that in the kindest way possible, which is, not much.

Posted by: navybrat at March 03, 2016 04:46 PM (8QGte)

50 What is sad is that the GOPe is doing their best to lose an even easier election than last time. It is going to take some effort to be even worse than four years ago, but they are doing all they can.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 03, 2016 04:46 PM (Qvgg/)

51

Are they really *that* out of touch with the reason Trump is winning?


All signs point to Yes.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 03, 2016 04:46 PM (LUgeY)

52 Trump is a threat to all those consultant jobs in the beltway... media included. I'd wager there aren't 5 Trump supporters within 10 miles of DC. No one they know supports him... it really must be hard for them to comprehend what's going on.... and they hold meetings. Heh heh. Too funny.

Posted by: Yip at March 03, 2016 04:47 PM (e7T6D)

53 It's also up to Rubio to get out to free up these people. Unfortunately again that doesn't necessarily mean his conservative backers would automatically go to Cruz.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 03, 2016 04:47 PM (UGLi1)

54 Romney had an effect. He bought Trump a couple million dollars of free advertising on tonights news.

Surprisingly I thought, trump mentioned maine has a drug problem, but he never mentioned the fact that it's heroin brought in from Mexico.

I'm wondering why he's pulling punches. Does not compute.

Posted by: mega machines at March 03, 2016 04:47 PM (fbovC)

55 They don't have a credible spokesman


Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 03, 2016 04:42 PM (Qvgg/)

They do, it's just that every thing that their spokesmen says is denounced as "cocktail party establishment weenies trying to suck up to the NYT", even when it's not true.Take a look at Thomas Sowell for instance. Before Trump, he was highly regarded on all sides. Now, he contributed to the NRO anti-Trump issue, and suddenly, he's an "establishment sellout RINO". Umm, no he's not. It's just that the pro-Trump people won't listen to any criticism, valid or not, and any valid criticism is dismissed as the ramblings of "the establishment" even when there are absolutely no "establishment" connections whatsoever.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at March 03, 2016 04:47 PM (lVU49)

56 I said earlier that voting for Romney was like regret sex. I woke up the next morning feeling icky and saying, "ugh, did I really do that?"

And you're wrong. This is going to have the opposite effect on Trump Romney wanted. In fact he's such an idiot, along with his GOP Masters, Romney doesn't even realize it's precisely why people are voting for Trump in the first place.

I talked to a lot of people today after Romneys remarks who became lukewarm on Trump. But now they're stoked because it's pretty clear he is most likely going to win.

Posted by: Marcus t at March 03, 2016 04:48 PM (VOwX8)

57 "The people on FB who appeared thrilled with romney are all democrats and far left ones to boot."

Fourth floor. Strange New Respect department.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 03, 2016 04:48 PM (noWW6)

58 Surprisingly I thought, trump mentioned maine has a drug problem, but he never mentioned the fact that it's heroin brought in from Mexico.

I'm wondering why he's pulling punches. Does not compute.
Posted by: mega machines at March 03, 2016 04:47 PM (fbovC)

No he mentioned that. I am not sure he said "Mexico" but he did say from the southern border

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2016 04:48 PM (mw8Dm)

59 For me it's a dual-edged sword. I actually agree with much of Romney's rant. The problem is he is exactly the wrong guy to deliver this message as he represents what the people are angry about.

--------------

He was the wrong guy for so many reasons, the biggest being he lost, but it just looks bad to denounce someone you so publicly accepted 4 years ago.

At least he didn't endorse my guy - Cruz.

Posted by: SH at March 03, 2016 04:48 PM (gmeXX)

60 " I'd swear the GOP would rather have a Democrat in office than that icky Cruz."

100% accurate.

Posted by: Lauren at March 03, 2016 04:48 PM (VchSY)

61 They understand why they are losing . They just can't believe Trump is the one that is making them lose.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 03, 2016 04:49 PM (UGLi1)

62 The sad thing is that there are a lot of people in the GOP who think Mitt really gave Trump what for today and did some good.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 03, 2016 04:49 PM (0vdts)

63 So, the GOPe and the "let it burn" crowd will destroy each other, while the Progressives have a laugh...

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 03, 2016 04:49 PM (vBeA5)

64 49 Posted by: navybrat at March 03, 2016 04:46 PM (8QGte)


Can you imagine what Cruz or Trump would have done to Candy Crowley and Obama had that fat slug pulled that crap with the transcript in a debate?

As we are now seeing, the GOP-e is in its death throes - and that's when they are at their most dangerous and unhinged.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2016 04:49 PM (p4UlV)

65 21 If I remember correctly, the Weepy Orange Drunk actually did strip Justin Amash and Tim Huelskamp of fairly important committee seats because they didn't fall in line and vote to expand government every time the GOP was worried about "optics".
Posted by: Furious George at March 03, 2016 04:43 PM (3GAnN)




I believe that Issa was another casualty, for trying (IIRC) to force Boner to cite one of the Obama gang for contempt. I've now forgotten which one.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 03, 2016 04:49 PM (oKE6c)

66 "Surprisingly I thought, trump mentioned maine has a drug problem, but he never mentioned the fact that it's heroin brought in from Mexico. "

We must have heard different speeches.
Trump did mention that, in the very next sentence.

Posted by: navybrat at March 03, 2016 04:49 PM (8QGte)

67 At least he didn't endorse my guy - Cruz.
Posted by: SH at March 03, 2016 04:48 PM (gmeXX)


+1

Posted by: jwb7605 at March 03, 2016 04:49 PM (DofIg)

68 The donor-class, rulers of both parties remind me of European Generals during colonial times. I've read before (though I can't find a source now) that Wellington's and Napoleon's lieutenants were partying it up together right up to Waterloo - they were pretty much all related, all went to the same academies, all knew the same people, etc.

It was the foot-soldiers' jobs to die on the battlefield.

I'm guessing the that rise of Trump indicates the foot soldiers from one side are no longer willing to "do and die" for their "betters" anymore.

It will be very interesting to see how this impacts the other side of this chessboard.

Posted by: DocJ at March 03, 2016 04:49 PM (zrsn3)

69 Good grief...where can I find some news about Cruz today?

Posted by: Skeezix at March 03, 2016 04:49 PM (WnCSK)

70 This is sooo depressing. I was so hopeful a year ago that We would have no trouble taking out Hillary! or whomever the Dems choose... Now, I don't think so. How did it come to this?

Posted by: donna at March 03, 2016 04:49 PM (/dSsq)

71 I left the Republican party and went back to being an Independent after buying into the big tent lie for years. Never again.

Posted by: 8starsnorth at March 03, 2016 04:49 PM (ppmNn)

72 Are they really *that* out of touch with the reason Trump is winning?

Yes. And they are cowed by the news media. And intimidated by their political opponents.

Posted by: Willard Willabee at March 03, 2016 04:49 PM (pjIaw)

73 I read a book once that proposed that Sparta fell because their society allowed for "equals" to lose their equal status but no method by which people could rise to become equals. The oligarchy died out for lack of new blood. Let it be so with the GOPe.

Bonus from Drudge: Disney CEO Bob Iger Defends ABC News [and Snuffleupagus] Over Accusations of Liberal Bias. Well, I'm glad we got that settled.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 03, 2016 04:50 PM (Nwg0u)

74 Rubio needs to get out NOW or it will be too late to overtake Trump.
I'd swear the GOP would rather have a Democrat in office than that icky
Cruz.
***
If you give the GOPe the choice between amnesty or Cruz...they are going to take amnesty. Even if it is Hillary with a Dem Senate and House pushing it through.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 03, 2016 04:50 PM (X7E8f)

75 When Newt became Speaker in 1995, he invited moderates into his leadership. That was a very effective strategy of coopting them, and that was a period when a lot of good things happened.

Posted by: Attila (Pillage Idiot) at March 03, 2016 04:50 PM (yUP/L)

76 60 " I'd swear the GOP would rather have a Democrat in office than that icky Cruz."

100% accurate.
Posted by: Lauren at March 03, 2016 04:48 PM (VchSY)


Cruz is most definitely a sworn enemy of the Leviathan. And it is in mortal danger with him at the helm.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2016 04:50 PM (p4UlV)

77 The RNCe has spent the last 50 or so years since RR alienating the base. They are reaping the rewards for that now. That last election in which the base gave them total control and then they turned around and shit on us was the last straw.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at March 03, 2016 04:50 PM (t2KH5)

78 If I can't have the smoking meteor of death, or at least the Zombie apocalypse, at least I can vote for Trump.

Posted by: jack at March 03, 2016 04:51 PM (XhzTz)

79 I really see only two things I can get out of this election that would make me happy:

1. President Cruz
2. A completely broken GOP Establishment.

It looks like I'm going to get at least one of these.

Posted by: DanInMN at March 03, 2016 04:51 PM (h5ffp)

80 75 When Newt became Speaker in 1995, he invited moderates into his leadership. That was a very effective strategy of coopting them, and that was a period when a lot of good things happened.
Posted by: Attila (Pillage Idiot) at March 03, 2016 04:50 PM (yUP/L)


Within a few years though, the co-opting was on the other foot.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2016 04:51 PM (p4UlV)

81 The donor-class, rulers of both parties remind me of European Generals
during colonial times. I've read before (though I can't find a source
now) that Wellington's and Napoleon's lieutenants were partying it up
together right up to Waterloo - they were pretty much all related, all
went to the same academies, all knew the same people, etc.



Much like the run up to WW1, which was virtually a family squabble between heads of state. Good thing they don't have Thanksgiving in Europe.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 03, 2016 04:51 PM (oKE6c)

82 Donor class meltdown is sooo delicious.

Regardless of how boned are we.

Posted by: Max Power at March 03, 2016 04:51 PM (q177U)

83 A big part of the turmoil this year is about class. Ruling class, lower class, chattering class.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 03, 2016 04:51 PM (oVJmc)

84 It's just that the pro-Trump people won't listen to any criticism, valid or not, and any valid criticism is dismissed as the ramblings of "the establishment" even when there are absolutely no "establishment" connections whatsoever.

----------

There is some of this, but the fact that we have to trot out Sowell isn't very good. A respected voice for sure, but sort of a niche voice.

You know Jeb could have actually been a better voice - HAD HE NOT RUN.

The person who may have all caused this might have been JEB.

He could have been a wise party elder who was generally liked and sacraficed his own ambitions. Instead he went scorched earth on Rubio and is not hated by Trump supporters and Rubio supporters.

Well done Jeb.

Posted by: SH at March 03, 2016 04:51 PM (gmeXX)

85 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at March 03, 2016 04:52 PM (GwIKd)

86 Romney is laying the stage to come sweeping in, all white-knightish after many long nights, verklempt with questions of "Should I?" or "Shouldn't I?".

In the end, he just had to accept the Republican party's call to duty, since he's a great patriot and Trump has to be stopped (and Ted Cruz is to Jesus-y.)

Rubio was their last hope and he's dashed upon the rocky shore of Lake Whine-a-caca.

Save us, Romney-O, you're our only hope!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 03, 2016 04:52 PM (2PHKP)

87 66 "Surprisingly I thought, trump mentioned maine has a drug problem, but he never mentioned the fact that it's heroin brought in from Mexico. "

We must have heard different speeches.
Trump did mention that, in the very next sentence.
Posted by: navybrat at March 03, 2016 04:49 PM (8QGte)


I heard it too. Confirmed.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2016 04:52 PM (p4UlV)

88

How much will you pay me to crap in your mouth?

Posted by: Mitt Ramney at March 03, 2016 04:52 PM (qul7b)

89 The DC elite, on both sides, imagine they are the nobility.

Posted by: votermom at March 03, 2016 04:52 PM (cbfNE)

90 OT: I wanted to say thanks to everyone for the well wishes for our pooch the other day.
It's
great to hear that Jack's pup is going to be fine, but sadly, Ms.
Shiloh Mae, the best damn beagle in all the world went to go be with her
papa today. My wife's late husband loved that dog first, and tonight I
know there is a big plate of spaghetti being shared between them.

A toast my friends, here's to good dogs and to old dogs, ya never forget them.
Slainte'

Posted by: IP at March 03, 2016 04:52 PM (aQQbl)

91 IMO, the situation with Rush is simple:

Rush likes Rubio for his conservatism

Rush likes Trump for the way he has learned to ignore the press' negative feedback and push his message.

Posted by: Reno_Dave at March 03, 2016 04:52 PM (n6gHv)

92 "Why do no major GOP officials or high partisans have any kind of moral authority and popularity sufficient to denounce Trump?"

That's got to be a rhetorical question.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2016 04:52 PM (3myMJ)

93 Romney's speech today was meant as a shot across the bow from the GOPe to prevent a cascade of endorsements for Trump which would elevate him to the status of default nominee.

But, after March 15th, they won't be able to stop him..........and they know that.

Posted by: Stay out da bushes at March 03, 2016 04:52 PM (th7n/)

94 Romney and his father have been running for President for FIFTY YEARS ( ever since the Republicans did very well in the 1966 mid-terms and George Romney was the Gov of Michigan )


I met his father in 1967, and Mitt was in the entourage. Very clean-cut; looks amazingly like his father did. Like father, son wants to be POTUS

Posted by: Jeff Goldblum at March 03, 2016 04:52 PM (/542q)

95 45
I'm just wondering what Mittens was hoping to accomplish. I mean, he's not stupid. He HAD to know that this wasn't going to move the needle.

The only thing I can think of is that he's hoping to be the White Knight coming to the party's rescue in a brokered convention. After all, the man's essentially been running for President for 30 years.
----------
I'm sure he sits in his many homes screaming at Trump on TV all day everyday (no cussing or anything, but really mad). The presidency IS My Precious to that dude, and he has been made a buffoon of himself for nearly a decade failing to get it.

Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at March 03, 2016 04:53 PM (kXzR8)

96 "A toast my friends, here's to good dogs and to old dogs, ya never forget them.
Slainte'"

Amen.

Posted by: Skeezix at March 03, 2016 04:53 PM (WnCSK)

97 []You do not seek to deny them every single bit of influence in the
decision-making apparatus but then demand they rush to your aid when
you've found you've shriveled the party into a pale, sickly thing, bent
and stupid from inbreeding.

I have no idea what you mean.

blurble......tampon........ISLAM!

Prince Charles Windsor Throat Warbler Mangrove Differential

Posted by: pep at March 03, 2016 04:53 PM (LAe3v)

98 Rush bought up something very interesting to me on his show today. I rarely listen but caught a bit waiting in the car while shopping.

According to Mr Limbaugh, he's had conversations with Ted Cruz about how Cruz sees the race and how to win, and Cruz' theory is that if he can pull in the 5 or so million GOP base that supposedly didn't vote last election (I'm skeptical that many did, but he's got better data than I do), and keep the voters that went for Romney, he wins.

And Ted Cruz believes that those voters stayed home because the GOP annoyed and frustrated them running Romney and pushing him so hard against the wishes of the voters. So he's talking their (our) language and selling himself to them and to evangelical voters, in the theory that this is the path to victory.

Its an interesting theory, but its lacking two components:

1) Voters have changed since 2012, and rage is driving this more than desperation to stop Obama.
2) Romney picked up voters that Cruz will not by being more middle-of-the road. Romney had a large majority of independent voters which I'm not sure Cruz can presume upon.

So Rush suggested that Ted Cruz needs to change up a bit and start reaching out to that angry base with language about being the outsider, the anti-establishment guy. And I am certain that Ace is right about his 'reach people where they live' thesis.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 03, 2016 04:53 PM (39g3+)

99 I've turned Rush off when he's been too pro Trump.
Posted by: Carol


I've turned off Dana's show when she's been to anti Trump.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 03, 2016 04:53 PM (FkBIv)

100 great to hear that Jack's pup is going to be fine, but sadly, Ms.
Shiloh Mae, the best damn beagle in all the world went to go be with her
papa today. My wife's late husband loved that dog first, and tonight I
know there is a big plate of spaghetti being shared between them.

A toast my friends, here's to good dogs and to old dogs, ya

never forget them.
Slainte'


So sorry. It's hard to lose a pet... They're Family...

Posted by: donna at March 03, 2016 04:53 PM (/dSsq)

101 Bonus from Drudge: Disney CEO Bob Iger Defends ABC
News [and Snuffleupagus] Over Accusations of Liberal Bias.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 03, 2016 04:50 PM (Nwg0u)


Goes on to blame the accusations on conservatives, who cause all of the problems in this country, and who impede all the efforts of the enlightened people to lead us to Heaven on Earth, because conservatives are intrinsically evil people who don't deserve to live.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 03, 2016 04:53 PM (oKE6c)

102 " I'd swear the GOP would rather have a Democrat in office than that icky Cruz."



100% accurate.
----

Don't forget Trump. GOP wants Hillary before Trump

Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at March 03, 2016 04:54 PM (7FH+T)

103 I always thought that the sobriquet "Stupid Party" was really over the top and that there must be some smart people in the GOP who make the big decisions.

I don't think it anymore. That still, none of them seem able to internalize the fact that Trump is a creature of their own creation, a blazing symbol of the simmering hate that so many of their supposed "base" feel for them now, really does make them the Stupid Party.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 03, 2016 04:54 PM (8ZskC)

104 No he mentioned that. I am not sure he said "Mexico" but he did say from the southern borderPosted by: Nevergiveup

Did he use the word 'heroin'?

I was in and out of the room. But like the phrase 'Islamic terrorism' that the democrats avoid, I want someone to use the phrase, 'Mexican heroin'.

Because that is what is killing our young.

Posted by: mega machines at March 03, 2016 04:54 PM (fbovC)

105 Basically, I think Trump is the Let it Burn candidate.

I don't mind Cruz per se, but he's still (to me at least) a GOP member who plays by the rules.

Maybe not as establishment as Romney or McCain, but way more establishment than Trump and certainly not Let it Burn.

IMHO.


Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at March 03, 2016 04:41 PM (7FH+T)

Cruz is not Let It Burn (you see how well that worked out for Watts and Detroit).
He is the "break this shit down to its Constitutional base so people have their God given freedoms again" guy.
Think of it as a frame off restoration vs. the car crusher at the local dump... the latter may be more fun to watch but you will still be carless at the end.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 04:54 PM (OrI3J)

106 69 Good grief...where can I find some news about Cruz today?

Posted by: Skeezix at March 03, 2016 04:49 PM (WnCSK)


Who?!?

Posted by: MSM at March 03, 2016 04:54 PM (1efdY)

107 Snowing in detroit or is that soot from a near by fire?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2016 04:54 PM (mw8Dm)

108 Denver named Number 1 city in America to live in.

They must gotten the article writers really high.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2016 04:54 PM (3myMJ)

109 In a large sense, Trump is Mitt Romney's fault. Romney had the dope (Obama) on the ropes in Oct 2012 and elected to phone the rest of his campaign in instead of going for the throat. Many of us who didn't really want Mitt but supported him because "lesser of two evils" were pissed. No one wants to listen to him now, except for the mealy mouth media (because it suits their purpose.) If Romney had done his job in 2012 and even PRETENDED he wanted to win, there would be no "FOAR MOAR YEERS" for King Putz and no Trump now. Now it's too late for him to be a "statesman" or whatever the hell he is trying to be. The time people wanted to hear from Mitt was 4 years ago. Now, nobody gives a crap. He's just another Democrap punching bag.


Posted by: Buck O'Fama at March 03, 2016 04:54 PM (TUsH4)

110 Romney is laying the stage to come sweeping in, all white-knightish after many long nights, verklempt with questions of "Should I?" or "Shouldn't I?".

In the end, he just had to accept the Republican party's call to duty, since he's a great patriot and Trump has to be stopped (and Ted Cruz is to Jesus-y.)

Rubio was their last hope and he's dashed upon the rocky shore of Lake Whine-a-caca.

Save us, Romney-O, you're our only hope!

Egad, there's a thought.

What happens if he inserts himself? Do we swear against this late entry BS? Do we coalesce behind him, so as to prevent Hillary? And what if trump agrees to not run 3rd party?

Oy.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 03, 2016 04:55 PM (326rv)

111 Why do no major GOP officials or high partisans have any kind of moral authority and popularity sufficient to denounce Trump?

Edited for illustration.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 03, 2016 04:55 PM (oVJmc)

112 >>It's
great to hear that Jack's pup is going to be fine, but sadly, Ms.
Shiloh Mae, the best damn beagle in all the world went to go be with her
papa today. My wife's late husband loved that dog first, and tonight I
know there is a big plate of spaghetti being shared between them.


I'm very sorry to hear that and thank you for the kind words.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 03, 2016 04:55 PM (/tuJf)

113 Romney hunh.



That seems about right from the smart set.


Trot out a proven looser......

Posted by: Yo! at March 03, 2016 04:55 PM (GwIKd)

114 Shit.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 03, 2016 04:55 PM (oVJmc)

115 "Disney CEO Bob Iger Defends ABC News [and Snuffleupagus] Over Accusations of Liberal Bias."

The same Bob Iger who is forcing Disney IT employees to train their own imported H-1B replacements, on pain of receiving no severance.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 03, 2016 04:55 PM (noWW6)

116 When Romney said the voters should vote for Rubio in Florida and Kasich in Ohio, that told me what they're really hoping for is a brokered convention so they can crown their guy. If that happens, it really is goodbye to the Stupid Party tm.

Posted by: Abby Normal at March 03, 2016 04:55 PM (y0rni)

117 Trump is popular not because of who he is. He's popular because of what the GOP has become. He's merely the vehicle, flawed as it may be.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 03, 2016 04:55 PM (btH0m)

118 91 IMO, the situation with Rush is simple:

Rush likes Rubio for his conservatism

Rush likes Trump for the way he has learned to ignore the press' negative feedback and push his message.
Posted by: Reno_Dave at March 03, 2016 04:52 PM (n6gHv)

What conservatism? The be-all end-all issue that is life or death of the nation is Amnesty. And Rubicuomo was all hot and horny for the Libya fiasco IIRC.

Sorry Rush, but that dog will not hunt. Dead wrong on Mario. It is now evident he was a liar way before he took the oath of office for Senator.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2016 04:55 PM (p4UlV)

119 "Who?!?"

Exactly....

Posted by: Skeezix at March 03, 2016 04:55 PM (WnCSK)

120
If it wasn't Trump this time, it would have been someone else soon.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 03, 2016 04:44 PM (iONHu)









Yup. Imagine the 2020 primary with Ted Nugent.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 03, 2016 04:55 PM (qiy4n)

121 "Like father, son wants to be POTUS"

Demonstrably untrue.
He never wanted the job.
Otherwise he could have taken it.
But he didn't.
And I don't think it was an accident.

Just my $.02 worth.

Posted by: navybrat at March 03, 2016 04:55 PM (8QGte)

122 Likes me a 40 oz of Country Club.

Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at March 03, 2016 04:55 PM (ucB75)

123 Are they really *that* out of touch with the reason Trump is winning?
Posted by: Lauren at March 03, 2016 04:44 PM (VchSY)


Line up men! We go over the top and charge their trench at 0900!

Posted by: WWI General at March 03, 2016 04:55 PM (uURQL)

124 You can almost see the sweat running down Ace's face as you read this diatribe. You are loosing it Ace. Trump has got you !

Posted by: Edward Cropper at March 03, 2016 04:56 PM (FfyGI)

125 "BTW, Mark Levin has been screaming about Trump for almost two months now."


How can you tell what Levin is screaming about? To me it just sounds like lambs, being led to the slaughter.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 03, 2016 04:56 PM (TOk1P)

126 I don't know if ace saw this but here we go :

New Lady Ghostbusters official trailer : http://tinyurl.com/jlsvgga

It's like the original but without all that annoying humor getting in the way.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 03, 2016 04:56 PM (0vdts)

127 No he mentioned that. I am not sure he said "Mexico" but he did say from the southern borderPosted by: Nevergiveup

Did he use the word 'heroin'?

I was in and out of the room. But like the phrase 'Islamic terrorism' that the democrats avoid, I want someone to use the phrase, 'Mexican heroin'.

Because that is what is killing our young.
Posted by: mega machines at March 03, 2016 04:54 PM (fbovC)


I don't remember his exact words but he was pretty clear it was drugs from Mexico over an unprotected border

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2016 04:56 PM (mw8Dm)

128 111

Run it is the italics!!!

Posted by: Yo! at March 03, 2016 04:56 PM (GwIKd)

129

Being poor must suck. How do you people survive it?

Posted by: Mitt Ramney at March 03, 2016 04:56 PM (qul7b)

130 Denver named Number 1 city in America to live in.

Come for the free pot and BS gun laws.

Stay for the rising crime, thin air and second class citizenship of pregnant women (if a baby is cut out of a pregnant woman and the baby dies, there is no murder.....because)

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 03, 2016 04:57 PM (326rv)

131 45
I'm just wondering what Mittens was hoping to accomplish. I mean,
he's not stupid. He HAD to know that this wasn't going to move the
needle.



The only thing I can think of is that he's hoping to be the White
Knight coming to the party's rescue in a brokered convention. After all,
the man's essentially been running for President for 30 years.



My guess? He was prevailed upon by party elders to make the speech to "save the party," and did it out of duty. Up to this point, he has shown zero interest in getting involved again in national politics in his own right.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 03, 2016 04:57 PM (oKE6c)

132 I'm watching on Showtime on demand The Circus. It's about the primaries.
It'd actually pretty good.

Posted by: Carol at March 03, 2016 04:57 PM (sj3Ax)

133
Ghostbust?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2016 04:57 PM (p4UlV)

134 Because that is what is killing our young.

Posted by: mega machines at March 03, 2016 04:54 PM (fbovC)

No... our young's stupidity in taking drugs is what is killing our young. Drugs are not sneaking into our houses in the middle of the night and injecting themselves into our kids.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 04:57 PM (OrI3J)

135 I just think the ultimate proof these guys just don't get it is seeing them trot McCain and Romney out to make their case. Dude. That's like having a couple of Red Sox make the case for how great the Yankees are. In Boston.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 03, 2016 04:58 PM (39g3+)

136 116
When Romney said the voters should vote for Rubio in Florida and Kasich
in Ohio, that told me what they're really hoping for is a brokered
convention so they can crown their guy. If that happens, it really is
goodbye to the Stupid Party tm.

Posted by: Abby Normal at March 03, 2016 04:55 PM (y0rni)

Start making the popcorn. Those in power within the GOPe are starting to panic. They become (more) dangerous when they panic. Truthfully, a 3rd/4th party may be in the best interest of this country in the mid to long term.

Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed at March 03, 2016 04:58 PM (jxbfJ)

137 "loosing" --> "losing"

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 03, 2016 04:58 PM (oKE6c)

138 O'Daniel!


You know the drill.

Posted by: The Barrel at March 03, 2016 04:58 PM (1xUj/)

139 Ace, don't know if you are still around, or even care about what my opinion is, but I want to tell you that I appreciate what you have been doing this primary cycle. I think our common ground is a true contempt for the GOPe and the donor class that enables them. In order to give them their deserved reckoning I believe that Trump would be an excellent way to disrupt business as usual. I also think a President Cruz would be fantastic. Anyway, keep hitting them hard, and thank you again.

Posted by: kraken at March 03, 2016 04:58 PM (sdxPm)

140 126 I don't know if ace saw this but here we go :

New Lady Ghostbusters official trailer : http://tinyurl.com/jlsvgga

It's like the original but without all that annoying humor getting in the way.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 03, 2016 04:56 PM (0vdts)


Who plays Annie Potts' part, Bobcat Goldthwaite?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2016 04:58 PM (p4UlV)

141

They understand why they are losing . They just can't believe Trump is the one that is making them lose.


No, they don't. They live and work in a bubble of stoopid and never ever give a rat's ass about anyone other than themselves. The mere idea of swapping places with an average American makes them nauseous.

Why do you think they persist in pushing amnesty for millions of illegals down our throats? Countless polls have show the overwhelming unpopularity of that idea, yet they persist.

Then along comes Trump who finally speaks up and says what the typical American thinks and he's suddenly so far out front in the primaries that he probably can't be caught.

They are imbeciles and so richly deserve their comeuppance. Plus a lot more.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 03, 2016 04:58 PM (LUgeY)

142 Cruz is the only man that can save the party. I truly believe that. But I think a lot of Trump voters are so fed up with the establishment they'd rather we lose in 2016 and destroy the GOP as a viable entity forever. That seems to be the 'let it burn' ethos, at least.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 03, 2016 04:58 PM (4/i9Y)

143 I think the most annoying thing about trump, to the Republican party, is that they know he is full of shit, and they are full of shit, so how come he was able to sell his snake oil while all these guys have spare rooms full of hunting gear and nascar hats and those religiousy quotes, and yet they never got the working class all excited like he does?

This isn't fear of a con-man, this is jealousy plain and simple.


For all that i hate about trump, How could he possibly be worse than clinton? or barry? or maaaario?

If he gets the nomination, one thing will be accomplished -- The voters will have made clear their intolerance for amnesty within the gop. Is that worth four years of watching that blubbering trainwreck?

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 03, 2016 04:58 PM (LWu6U)

144 This belongs in last one, FBI is going to question Hillary.

http://tinyurl.com/h86ydn9

Posted by: Carol at March 03, 2016 04:58 PM (sj3Ax)

145 Just my $.02 worth.

Posted by: navybrat at March 03, 2016 04:55 PM (8QGte)


Mitt wants the job, navy; he just doesn't want to look to eager. But he wants it bad

Posted by: Jeff Goldblum at March 03, 2016 04:58 PM (/542q)

146 Caller on Rush today had a great point. If Trump suddenly implodes then the GOPe is going to turn right around and attack Cruz the same way.

It's ridiculous.

Posted by: tom_06060 at March 03, 2016 04:58 PM (z04hE)

147

New Lady Ghostbusters official trailer : http://tinyurl.com/jlsvgga


OUT: Don't cross the streams!

IN: Cycles have synced!

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 03, 2016 04:58 PM (oVJmc)

148 If you're going to buy a barrel make it the classiest barrel on the planet. Trump Barrels, now with electrolytes.

Posted by: DONALD TRUMP at March 03, 2016 04:59 PM (0vdts)

149 "delivering.. the Ex-Im Bank"
Didn't they fail to to do that too by later reauthorizing it?

Posted by: Lincoln Churchill at March 03, 2016 04:59 PM (TXA0L)

150
Romney should have had McStains and Bob Vole behind him doing the Kris Kreosote eye-rolling.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2016 04:59 PM (p4UlV)

151 Stay for the rising crime, thin air and second class citizenship of pregnant women (if a baby is cut out of a pregnant woman and the baby dies, there is no murder.....because)
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 03, 2016 04:57 PM (326rv)


That was 12 miles north of me in Longmont.
Democrats in the state house won't change the laws.

Posted by: jwb7605 at March 03, 2016 04:59 PM (DofIg)

152 "looser" --> "loser"

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 03, 2016 04:59 PM (oKE6c)

153 You can almost see the sweat running down Ace's face as you read this diatribe. You are loosing it Ace. Trump has got you !

Posted by: Edward Cropper at March 03, 2016 04:56 PM (FfyGI)


How do you know when Ace is loosing it? Unless you are on your knees, of course.


Personally, if Ace is going to loose anything, I prefer to be in another state and/or county.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 03, 2016 04:59 PM (TOk1P)

154 goddamn fucking video ads jack my computer....

Posted by: ZEKE at March 03, 2016 04:59 PM (M1Eq2)

155 "118
91 IMO, the situation with Rush is simple:



"Rush likes Rubio for his conservatism



"Rush likes Trump for the way he has learned to ignore the press' negative feedback and push his message.

Posted by: Reno_Dave at March 03, 2016 04:52 PM (n6gHv)



"What conservatism? The be-all end-all issue that is life or death of
the nation is Amnesty. And Rubicuomo was all hot and horny for the
Libya fiasco IIRC.



"Sorry Rush, but that dog will not hunt. Dead wrong on Mario. It is
now evident he was a liar way before he took the oath of office for
Senator.

Oh, man. I didn't notice that I TOTALLY SCREWED THAT UP. I had the TV on in the other room and somebody was talking about Rubio.

What I meant to write was: Rush likes CRUZ for his conservatism.

BTW, originally Perry was my first choice, followed by Cruz, then Walker, then Trump.

Posted by: Reno_Dave at March 03, 2016 04:59 PM (n6gHv)

156 Yup. Imagine the 2020 primary with Ted Nugent.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 03, 2016 04:55 PM (qiy4n)

At least with the Nug, we would get an actual conservative (slightly crazy but conservative).

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 05:00 PM (OrI3J)

157 TOO eager, for you grammar Nazis.... Mitt wants to be the Ultimate White Knight, seemingly reluctant as The People clamor for him to save them

Posted by: Jeff Goldblum at March 03, 2016 05:00 PM (/542q)

158 146 Caller on Rush today had a great point. If Trump suddenly implodes then the GOPe is going to turn right around and attack Cruz the same way.

It's ridiculous.
Posted by: tom_06060 at March 03, 2016 04:58 PM (z04hE)


The one thing to be grateful for with Trump. He is taking all the heat that would most definitely be hurled at Cruz.

I still stay if all things stay as they are, Trump needs to pick him as veep.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2016 05:00 PM (p4UlV)

159 Caller on Rush today had a great point. If Trump suddenly implodes then the GOPe is going to turn right around and attack Cruz the same way.

Another one had a great point: If Trump is the Ultimate Threat, why aren't they calling on people to consolidate behind Cruz (who is outperforming Rubio 2:1)?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 03, 2016 05:00 PM (oVJmc)

160 "It's like the original but without all that annoying humor getting in the way.--------Dr Spank"

Aaaand another happy part of my childhood memories dies a horrible, agonizing death.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW LLC at March 03, 2016 05:00 PM (uhftQ)

161 "120
If it wasn't Trump this time, it would have been someone else soon.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at March 03, 2016 04:44 PM (iONHu)"

"Yup. Imagine the 2020 primary with Ted Nugent.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 03, 2016 04:55 PM (qiy4n)"

Be still my heart.

Posted by: West at March 03, 2016 05:01 PM (1Rgee)

162 As an aside I think it is disgusting that A Federal Appeals Court is wasting it's time on Deflate Gate, and I don't give a rat's ass how they decide.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2016 05:01 PM (mw8Dm)

163
Caller on Rush today had a great point. If Trump suddenly implodes then
the GOPe is going to turn right around and attack Cruz the same way.
***
The GOPe's primary goal isn't to win. Its to keep the CoC cash rolling. Which happens just as easily with president Hillary as president Rubio.

Cruz or Trump though? They might lose their phony baloony jobs...

Posted by: 18-1 at March 03, 2016 05:01 PM (X7E8f)

164 Ace, don't know if you are still around, or even care about what my opinion is, but I want to tell you that I appreciate what you have been doing this primary cycle. I think our common ground is a true contempt for the GOPe and the donor class that enables them. In order to give them their deserved reckoning I believe that Trump would be an excellent way to disrupt business as usual. I also think a President Cruz would be fantastic. Anyway, keep hitting them hard, and thank you again.


Cruz is the only man that can save the party. I truly believe that. But I think a lot of Trump voters are so fed up with the establishment they'd rather we lose in 2016 and destroy the GOP as a viable entity forever. That seems to be the 'let it burn' ethos, at least.


-------------

This is what I mean when I say while there are some difference within the two big blocks of the base, I'm not sure we are that far apart - though there may be no way to reconcile in this election cycle.

We share contempt / dissappointment / unhappiness with the GOPe, we have felt abandoned ... but we do differ on who we think is the vessel to chart a new direction.

If we can can't come together this election, may we meet again on the other side.

Posted by: SH at March 03, 2016 05:01 PM (gmeXX)

165 The denunciations fuel Trump. He is antifragile. The GOPe is his best friend by way of stupidity.

Posted by: 0302 at March 03, 2016 05:01 PM (wx6iv)

166 155 What I meant to write was: Rush likes CRUZ for his conservatism.

BTW, originally Perry was my first choice, followed by Cruz, then Walker, then Trump.

Posted by: Reno_Dave at March 03, 2016 04:59 PM (n6gHv)


That is true, but Rush actually did all Rubicuomo conservative. I was floored.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2016 05:01 PM (p4UlV)

167

Yay.

Nice post.

Sick of their whining.
It's like when a baby throws her toy, then cries because she can't reach it.

Of course the baby is much cuter, and innocent, and you would quickly go to her aid.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 03, 2016 05:01 PM (qCMvj)

168 Mitt wants the job, navy; he just doesn't want to look to eager. But he wants it bad


How bad? On his knees bad?

Posted by: Donald Trump at March 03, 2016 05:01 PM (8ZskC)

169 Now there's a thought: Trump/Ted Nugent 2016!

Posted by: just wait, you won't believe what happens next at March 03, 2016 05:02 PM (IQI2h)

170 The answer is simple: Because rather than incorporating outsiders into their movement -- coopting them, forging tactical alliances with give-and-take - the Establishment has instead pursued a strategy of simply squelching such persons and closing them off from any position of influence completely.
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"His first failing was that which might be imputed to the evil in most men, he sacrificed virtue to convenience." -- Dr. Johnson, speaking of Shakespeare

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 03, 2016 05:02 PM (9mTYi)

171 gope to us, "let them eat brioche"

true then, true today


Posted by: concrete girl at March 03, 2016 05:02 PM (0KgAM)

172 As an aside I think it is disgusting that A Federal Appeals Court is wasting it's time on Deflate Gate, and I don't give a rat's ass how they decide.

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Why - huge labor law implications.

Posted by: SH at March 03, 2016 05:02 PM (gmeXX)

173 Bad enough to serve an apprenticeship as Gov of Mass. Who does that, unless they want something Else?????

Posted by: Jeff Goldblum at March 03, 2016 05:03 PM (/542q)

174 Trump is establishment. Romney is a stalking horse for Trump.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 03, 2016 05:03 PM (xuouz)

175 So who's got a better sense of where the country is going - Six Pack Abs Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney, or Donald Trump? Trump is on twitter, he reads what people are saying, he knows what's going on in the country. Paul Ryan doesn't. So that's why Ryan's response to the KKK thing was so off. Everybody knows at this point that "are you or have you ever been a member of the KKK?" is not a sincere question. It's a smear. The only reason Ryan can imagine that's a legit question to answer is if he hasn't been paying attention at all to the kind of tactics the left and SJWs have been employing for a long time. But he's too much of a nice Wisconsin boy and I'm afraid it will be up to the Millenials and not the Gen-Xers like Ryan to realize that "I'm not a racist" is really just playing by the left's rules. Whites and conservatives are going to have to learn to shrug their shoulders, like Trump did, and not play along with the ritual disavowals of his own racial interests.

Posted by: bjk at March 03, 2016 05:03 PM (5IRfl)

176

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 03, 2016 04:57 PM (326rv)

Lived there for many years, but love the mountain life more. I still visit, but not for long.

I always thought it was the best city though, considering the competition.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2016 05:03 PM (3myMJ)

177 I believe that Obozo, Mooch, Pelosi, Reid, McConnell, Boehner, McCain, etc. hate my tribe and everything we stand for. Turnip may be a loudmouth, narcissistic vulgarian but I don't think he hates me the way the Donks and the RINOs do.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at March 03, 2016 05:03 PM (Nwg0u)

178 "Another one had a great point: If Trump is the Ultimate Threat, why aren't they calling on people to consolidate behind Cruz (who is outperforming Rubio 2:1)?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 03, 2016 05:00 PM (oVJmc) "

Yeah, that's been obvious for a while. The establishment says Trump is basically Hitler, but we can't back Cruz because he's just a bit too icky for us.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 03, 2016 05:03 PM (4/i9Y)

179 Thank you ace for summing up our experience with the GOP, i hope This time they Get the message.

Posted by: willow at March 03, 2016 05:03 PM (L1+sh)

180 Depressing. Just realized I voted for Smitt three times (primaries 08, before Crist stole it for McLame) and in 12 both primary and general. Spank me harder. Fooled three times equals rage when the spineless wimp, who did give up at the second O debate, tells Americans how to vote. I have some type of residual traumatic mitt syndrome today.

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, fool me three times, Christy hopes she gets to see you again and go nuclear, but in a Steel Magnolia way. He won't know what hit him until he reflects on what I say. He is a grinning star, you know, used to adulation and the crap I gave him. harf. I want my votes back. And money. You twee stiff.

I am sorry about doggie, IP. xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at March 03, 2016 05:03 PM (wAMRL)

181 What happens if he inserts himself? Do we swear against this late
entry BS? Do we coalesce behind him, so as to prevent Hillary? And what
if trump agrees to not run 3rd party?



Oy.

Posted by: Blue Hen


I supported Mitt last cycle, and I'm still convinced he would have been a great President. But.....his time has passed. I will not coalesce behind him.

This was a mistake on his part.



Posted by: pep at March 03, 2016 05:03 PM (LAe3v)

182 The GOP should get Thad Cochran to denounce Trump.

Posted by: major major major major at March 03, 2016 05:04 PM (V7lt9)

183 I'm guessing there is no time table for trials but when not if the Trump University fraud gets heard it will put a hurting in his numbers. But no doubt many of his supporters won't care.

Posted by: Skip at March 03, 2016 05:04 PM (fizMZ)

184 [GOPe thinks "Romney."] THE CHOICE IS MADE. THE TRAVELER HAS COME.

Posted by: Gozer at March 03, 2016 05:04 PM (wx6iv)

185 The denunciations fuel Trump. He is antifragile. The GOPe is his best friend by way of stupidity.
Posted by: 0302
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Br'er Rabbit, punking Br'er Fox.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 03, 2016 05:04 PM (9mTYi)

186 The GOP should get Thad Cochran to denounce Trump.


Touche.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 03, 2016 05:04 PM (8ZskC)

187 As an aside I think it is disgusting that A Federal
Appeals Court is wasting it's time on Deflate Gate, and I don't give a
rat's ass how they decide.



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Why - huge labor law implications.

Posted by: SH at March 03, 2016 05:02 PM (gmeXX)

Really?

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 05:04 PM (OrI3J)

188 As an aside I think it is disgusting that A Federal Appeals Court is wasting it's time on Deflate Gate, and I don't give a rat's ass how they decide.

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Why - huge labor law implications.
Posted by: SH at March 03, 2016 05:02 PM (gmeXX)


It's a game. It's a ball. It's bullshit. If "Labor Law" is decided on this, then the law is a fool.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2016 05:05 PM (mw8Dm)

189
145 Just my $.02 worth.

Posted by: navybrat at March 03, 2016 04:55 PM (8QGte)


Mitt wants the job, navy; he just doesn't want to look to eager. But he wants it bad

Posted by: Jeff Goldblum at March 03, 2016 04:58 PM (/542q)








There's a reason he's been running for President or building his Presidential Resume for 30+ years. He wants it like a starving beagle wants a bone. But I really think he wants it handed to him on a silver platter, rather than having to work his ass off for it.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 03, 2016 05:05 PM (qiy4n)

190 My heart's not in it today guys, I just found out my boss was let go, which puts me on the block and diminishes my prospects considerably if I do stay, both for advancement and for how bearable my average day will be.

Anybody hiring snarky millenials?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 03, 2016 05:05 PM (xuouz)

191

I haven't had this much sex since i was a Boy Scout leader!

Posted by: Mitt Ramney at March 03, 2016 05:05 PM (qul7b)

192 You forgot that Cruz is a class traitor on top of being a bitter clinging bible thumper

Posted by: Iblis at March 03, 2016 05:05 PM (9221z)

193 #154 Zeke

Adblock and Ghostery keep me from seeing any ads.

Posted by: Abby Normal at March 03, 2016 05:05 PM (y0rni)

194 No... our young's stupidity in taking drugs is what is killing our young. Drugs are not sneaking into our houses in the middle of the night and injecting themselves into our kids.Posted by: redbanzai

I don't know for certain. I had to go to a funeral last month. Teachers son. Almost 30 years old. College graduate. Working in a dead end job. No future.

If the drugs weren't there he probably/certainly wouldn't use. If the future was there for him he probably/certainly wouldn't have used.

50, 000 a year are now overdosing on Mexican heroin and nobody wants to point the finger at the source. Please note my concern.

Posted by: mega machines at March 03, 2016 05:05 PM (fbovC)

195 Well they've been kicking all of us in the nuts for so long and we still turned out to vote for the latest retard from central casting, so why wouldn't they think this?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 03, 2016 05:05 PM (4ErVI)

196 bjk, i disagree with the whole statement of racial interest.
we have american interests, which encompasses all of americanS interests

Posted by: willow at March 03, 2016 05:05 PM (L1+sh)

197 Thank you ace for summing up our experience with the GOP, i hope This time they Get the message.

They won't.

Posted by: tu3031 at March 03, 2016 05:06 PM (YFFpo)

198 187 The GOP should get Thad Cochran to denounce Trump.

Touche.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 03, 2016 05:04 PM (8ZskC)

I hereby denounce Trump, and not because I was paid by Mario Romo.

Posted by: Kid Rock, American Badass at March 03, 2016 05:06 PM (wx6iv)

199 So this is what Dante was talking about.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 03, 2016 05:06 PM (2PHKP)

200 "Of course the baby is much cuter, and innocent, and you would quickly go to her aid.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 03, 2016 05:01 PM (qCMvj) "

Says who? Infant tears are almost as delicious and life-affirming as liberal tears. And they're a great topper for a Gimlet.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 03, 2016 05:06 PM (4/i9Y)

201 No... our young's stupidity in taking drugs is what is killing our young. Drugs are not sneaking into our houses in the middle of the night and injecting themselves into our kids.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 04:57 PM (OrI3J)


That's not what the schizophrenic hobo junkie said...

Posted by: Hobo Pelts R Us at March 03, 2016 05:06 PM (vBeA5)

202 Here's another one - Ben Sasse. He had to fight the Republican establishment (aka "good ol' boys' club") in Nebraska to get elected. He was not a politician before he was elected to the Senate just two years ago, he was a university president. He is about as far from "establishment" as Ted Cruz is. And when he started going after Trump, what was the first thing that the Trumpies said about him? "ESTABLISHMENT SELLOUT!!! He just want to get invited to those cocktail parties!!!"

So there ARE respected people making legitimate criticisms of Trump, they just aren't being listened to.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at March 03, 2016 05:07 PM (lVU49)

203 He wants it like a starving beagle wants a bone. But
I really think he wants it handed to him on a silver platter, rather
than having to work his ass off for it.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 03, 2016 05:05 PM (qiy4n)


see my subsequent post: Great Minds post alike.....

Posted by: Jeff Goldblum at March 03, 2016 05:07 PM (/542q)

204 Maybe it's time we unite behind a proven leader, someone who has executive experience at the highest level and can be trusted to do what's right for America.

Ladies and gentleman, that man is.........Dan Quayle.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 03, 2016 05:07 PM (0vdts)

205 One of the amusing things about this campaign is how jealous Ventura, Rush, Bloomberg and some Hollywooders are about the developments.

They're all thinking, "That should have been me".

Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2016 05:07 PM (3myMJ)

206 kari, i am sorry to hear that, But you are strong and wise beyond your years, You will succeed in the long haul.

Posted by: willow at March 03, 2016 05:07 PM (L1+sh)

207 It's like the original but without all that annoying humor getting in the way.

That's just unfair and wrong. Its like the original but without all that annoying humor and charm getting in the way.

I don't mind Cruz per se, but he's still (to me at least) a GOP member who plays by the rules.

That's nonsense. You know who Cruz is? He's the outsider that got elected and is doing just what we all wanted: fighting the establishment from within. What do you think happens when the outsider anti-elite guy wins election? He either fights and enrages them (Cruz) or caves and becomes one of them (most of the GOP).

Trump, on the other hand, has been hobnobbing with and cronying around with politicians and bigwigs for what, 30 years?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 03, 2016 05:07 PM (39g3+)

208 As an aside I think it is disgusting that A Federal Appeals Court is wasting it's time on Deflate Gate, and I don't give a rat's ass how they decide.

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Why - huge labor law implications.
Posted by: SH at March 03, 2016 05:02 PM (gmeXX)


It's a game. It's a ball. It's bullshit. If "Labor Law" is decided on this, then the law is a fool.

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But this case isn't about footballs or football, this about union v. management. For better or worse, our laws play a huge role in the intersection between the two.

Posted by: SH at March 03, 2016 05:07 PM (gmeXX)

209 Well said, Ace..

As Rush observed today.. the establishment still doesn't get it..

Getting behind Trump is like giving a big finger to the establishment that has used us and ignored us for decades.

However.. I must say Romney had some good points today. And, as you say, he's not talking to Trump voters..

He's talking to the other 65% of voters NOT voting for Trump.. and that number is something everyone is forgetting about. Trump is getting a small percentage of voters, albeit a plurality at the moment.

Most GOP voters will not vote for Trump, nor want him.

There is no reason to assume the RNC will listen to the 35% at the convention and ignore the 65%. This air of inevitability that Trump wins is bullshit.. it should not be allowed.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 03, 2016 05:07 PM (so+oy)

210 >>> Who plays Annie Potts' part, Bobcat Goldthwaite? Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2016 04:58 PM (p4UlV)

Chris Hemsworth aka Thor...mmm...

Whoops, I appear to be drooling for some reason!

Posted by: LizLem at March 03, 2016 05:08 PM (hvf9s)

211 Again, this is why the GOPe is the Stupid Party. Many have been saying all along, too, that if they tapped into what Trump has tapped into, and worked on doing in better than him, they might have had a shot. Instead they went right to the schoolyard taunts, insults and denigration, and sent their proxies out to call Trump supporters evolutionary dead ends who jack off to tentacle pr0n. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 03, 2016 05:08 PM (0mRoj)

212 "Anybody hiring snarky millenials?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 03, 2016 05:05 PM (xuouz) "

Sure. Slate, Salon, Vox (does that still exist?)...I'm sure Matty Yglesias could always use another svelte poolboy.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 03, 2016 05:08 PM (4/i9Y)

213 So many good points in this column, ace.

I'd add that the GOPe and Team Rubio (BIRM) also knee-capped Cruz with the "liar" and "cheater" thing just before they needed him to be most effective in going after Trump. No wonder they lose.


I just had a back and forth with a generally nice Rubio supporter about the "unity ticket." Some Cruz folks were saying "I'll take Rubio as Cruz's VP if that's what it takes" and she interjected "Or vice versa."'

Tried to explain to her the reasons that Rubio-Cruz would not work, the biggest one being that Cruz people have a major objection to Rubio on a deal-breaker policy issue, so they won't go for MR at the top of the ticket.

I added that Rubio, who is so popular in the Senate, is the natural fit for the VP slot, not the Much Hated Cruz.

Anyway, her reply was that she knew Rubio people who really hated Cruz.

I know that. We ALL know that. But, look, if your objection to the man is over your personal dislike for him and not based on a policy issue, then tough. This is not about how you "feel" about the guy - it's about forming a coalition that can win the primary and then the general.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at March 03, 2016 05:08 PM (t5zYU)

214 205 Maybe it's time we unite behind a proven leader, someone who has executive experience at the highest level and can be trusted to do what's right for America.

Ladies and gentleman, that man is.........Dan Quayle.
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 03, 2016 05:07 PM (0vdts)

If only I'd run in the era of spellcheck. Stupid leightwat chockers.

Posted by: Dan Quayle at March 03, 2016 05:08 PM (wx6iv)

215 At this point, I'd like to see a convention that goes to a second vote.

Then select a well spoken conservative who has to be dragged kicking and screaming to the podium and made to accept the nomination under duress.

I nominate McClintock.

Posted by: The Convention Hat at March 03, 2016 05:08 PM (vBeA5)

216 My heart's not in it today guys, I just found out my boss was let go, which puts me on the block and diminishes my prospects considerably if I do stay, both for advancement and for how bearable my average day will be.

Anybody hiring snarky millenials?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 03, 2016 05:05 PM (xuouz)


sit back a bit and wait it out
don't do anything rash

sometimes it all works out for the better
(but get your cv/resume updated!)

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 03, 2016 05:09 PM (qCMvj)

217 Chris Hemsworth aka Thor...mmm...




Oh..... Thor..... Ah, what were we talking about?

Posted by: donna at March 03, 2016 05:09 PM (/dSsq)

218

I hate you,
You hate me!
Lets hang Trumpy
From a tree!

Posted by: Barney Rubio, Purpleish at March 03, 2016 05:09 PM (qul7b)

219 Maybe it's time we unite behind a proven leader,
someone who has executive experience at the highest level and can be
trusted to do what's right for America.

Ladies and gentleman, that man is.........Dan Quayle.


Posted by: Dr Spank at March 03, 2016 05:07 PM (0vdts)


I would. Not even remotely kidding.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 03, 2016 05:09 PM (TOk1P)

220 Ghost of Kari, sorry to hear that. Fingers crossed and good luck.

Posted by: votermom at March 03, 2016 05:09 PM (cbfNE)

221 So there ARE respected people making legitimate criticisms of Trump, they just aren't being listened to.

So says the guy who will not support whom the Repubican's nominate and help put hillary in the White house

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2016 05:09 PM (mw8Dm)

222 I don't think it's a big mystery why Romney gave the speech today. Just listen to what he said.

He didn't say Trump was a weak candidate or soft on a couple issue, he called him a fraud, a phony and someone who is attempting to put one over on the American people. That may not be vulgar but it is some pretty harsh language for a Presidential race.

And I think he means every word of it.

Obviously, he isn't popular here but don't do a Pauline Kael and assume he isn't popular anywhere. He was the nominee of the Republican Party last cycle and he didn't get there by collecting box tops. He got there by getting more votes than any other candidate. And his words will have some weight. Why they hell do you think this story has dominated the news cycle since it was announced yesterday?

Can Cruz or Rubio capitalize on the opening he gave them? We shall see. But i'm pretty sure he knows that he will take a bunch of shit for this but he felt it was important to the country. Because Trump really is a grifter with some bug fuck nuts positions.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 03, 2016 05:09 PM (/tuJf)

223 I used to think the potential fear of being primaried after a few examples were made would swing some change in the GOPe. But with the establishment intact you simply move from the power of elected office into K street or a board room or a think tank for the wealth and security phase of your career. The destruction of the establishment (if it succeeds) was NEVER going to be easy, gradual or painless.

I'm overall a Cruz guy, but could he get done what needs to be done with a win? I tend to have more faith in Trump's motivations than some, apparently. But, regardless, to me we are at that point in the game where Trump represents a Hail Mary. Over 20 years of NWO and social engineering to overcome with the alternatives in a practical analysis being capitulation to the USA of France or voting from the rooftops.

Posted by: Keith at March 03, 2016 05:09 PM (nFB1w)

224 Trump = satan cabbage

Today I learned Trump is nugs. This isn't going to hurt him with the youngs.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 03, 2016 05:10 PM (xuouz)

225 So this is what Dante was talking about.
Posted by: AlaBAMA
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And we're only at the Seventh Circle.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at March 03, 2016 05:10 PM (9mTYi)

226 A Palin update by ace, and away...we....go.........

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 03, 2016 05:10 PM (0vdts)

227 Anybody hiring snarky millenials?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 03, 2016 05:05 PM (xuouz)

Can you twist a nice tight man-bun?

All the millennials I know in Colorado are making $25 an hour trimming buds. They say it's fine except they stick to everything they touch.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2016 05:10 PM (3myMJ)

228 What's this? A giant stack of Benjamins? What does that envelope say? Love, GOPe? How nice! - Judge in Trump University case.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 03, 2016 05:10 PM (2PHKP)

229 This air of inevitability that Trump wins is bullshit.. it should not be allowed.


Indeed. Some good old fashioned struggle sessions might be in order.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 03, 2016 05:10 PM (8ZskC)

230

running out of popcorn here

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 03, 2016 05:10 PM (qCMvj)

231 I don't know if ace saw this but here we go :

New Lady Ghostbusters official trailer : http://tinyurl.com/jlsvgga

It's like the original but without all that annoying humor getting in the way.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 03, 2016 04:56 PM (0vdts)




Finally!

Ghostbusters would've been a great movie.

But, the damn laughs kept breaking the mood and sensitive character development.


Fortunately, from the trailer this Ghostbusters looks to be 100% laugh-free.


Thank you, Hollywood.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 03, 2016 05:10 PM (0cMkb)

232 So there ARE respected people making legitimate criticisms of Trump, they just aren't being listened to.
Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at March 03, 2016 05:07 PM (lVU49)

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My advice - never, ever trust a CornHusker

Posted by: Stay out da bushes at March 03, 2016 05:10 PM (th7n/)

233 "One of the amusing things about this campaign is how jealous Ventura, Rush, Bloomberg and some Hollywooders are about the developments.

They're all thinking, "That should have been me".

Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2016 05:07 PM (3myMJ) "

I mean, maybe anything is possible after Trump, but I can't imagine Ventura's platform of "I live off the grid in Mexico because I hate America, I think 9/11 was an inside job, and my name has only been in the news the past few years because I sued a hero's widow" would be too compelling.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 03, 2016 05:10 PM (4/i9Y)

234 92-YEAR-OLD WOMAN IN PARK SLOPE PLACED IN CHOKEHOLD, ROBBED, POLICE SAY

http://goo.gl/MfJwkQ


Broad day light; followed her home from libray, nice neighorhood. Earlier had robbed a 71 year old woman.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 03, 2016 05:10 PM (iQIUe)

235 229 Anybody hiring snarky millenials?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 03, 2016 05:05 PM (xuouz)

Can you twist a nice tight man-bun?

All the millennials I know in Colorado are making $25 an hour trimming buds. They say it's fine except they stick to everything they touch.
Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2016 05:10 PM (3myMJ)

That's good money right there. I should move to Colorado.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 03, 2016 05:11 PM (0mRoj)

236 But this case isn't about footballs or football, this about union v. management. For better or worse, our laws play a huge role in the intersection between the two.
Posted by: SH at March 03, 2016 05:07 PM (gmeXX)

fine, but i'd rather not have case law decided in car fight between millionaires and billionaires. They should take it out behind the gym

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2016 05:11 PM (mw8Dm)

237 thanks willow and votermom and NOT broseidon. I don't think I'd fit in at vox.

I think I'm gonna call Trump's campaign and ask if he needs a speechwriter.

Well, ask if he's hiring a speechwriter. He sure as hell needs one.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 03, 2016 05:11 PM (xuouz)

238
Another one had a great point: If Trump is the Ultimate Threat, why aren't they calling on people to consolidate behind Cruz (who is outperforming Rubio 2:1)?---------Pappy O'Daniel

They must prefer Hillary over Cruz. And they wonder why we hate them. Well, they don't care.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW LLC at March 03, 2016 05:11 PM (uhftQ)

239 Dammit. I want all sides weeping, hysterical, rending of clothes and tunic suits in November. I say Trump or Cruz. Whoever wins has my vote. I do not give a tinker's damn about the GOP or the Dems. I want blood in water screaming meemies on election night, when Hilz is losing and wetting her Depends.

I want Rinse Pubics or whatever his name is, to cry, on TV. I want that porker Rove to cry on TV. I want the entire bunch of TV people weeping and fainting at the demise of their stinking party. It is a party for them. A Georgetown cocktail party of blowhards and canapes.

War. This is war. And Mitt? You crossed the line for me. Thanks!

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at March 03, 2016 05:11 PM (wAMRL)

240 108
Denver named Number 1 city in America to live in.



They must gotten the article writers really high.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2016 04:54 PM (3myMJ)

I'm counting on real estate staying "high" through the summer.
Anyone need a 4 bdr in the foothills?

Posted by: Joe Mama at March 03, 2016 05:11 PM (NQmg1)

241 Trump s winnng because he is not supposed to be in the race at all.

Trump is immune to the usual attacks because he and we, his supporters, do not give a shit anymore about the old way f doing this stuff.

You betrayed us again and again.

We don't care what Trump said last year, last month, last week.

We are going to vote for him because he is our weapon.

Posted by: eman at March 03, 2016 05:12 PM (Ahbpx)

242 Romney wants to be President?
He does not.
He had the chance and he didn't take it.
He phoned it in.
He's a loser and he could have spared us a 2nd term of this weasel we have now, but no, it was above him.
And here we are.
No, Mitt, go home and shut up.

Posted by: navybrat at March 03, 2016 05:12 PM (8QGte)

243 So there ARE respected people making legitimate criticisms of Trump, they just aren't being listened to.

------------

Sasse is better than Sowell to support your argument.

There are two really big players out there that I think so far have been silent on Trump directly:

Mike Lee and Tom Cotton.

Posted by: SH at March 03, 2016 05:12 PM (gmeXX)

244 "There is no reason to assume the RNC will listen to the 35% at the convention and ignore the 65%. This air of inevitability that Trump wins is bullshit.. it should not be allowed."

So they are going to listen listen to the 30% and ignore the 70%?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. SSDD at March 03, 2016 05:12 PM (WVsWD)

245 Ace: "If you spend four years disappointing members of your would-be coalition, promising the heavens and delivering."

My only dissent here is the Period of Disappointing. It has been much, much longer than four years. This frustration only became "organized" once the TEA Party materialized, but the "disappointment" preceded that by several presidential terms. It's now evolved to anger and hate.

Now it's full-on Period of Retribution. We want to castrate the GOP and fire its handlers.

If the Period of Retribution doesn't happen sufficiently, then The Whiggening will.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 03, 2016 05:12 PM (1CroS)

246 I don't know for certain. I had to go to a funeral
last month. Teachers son. Almost 30 years old. College graduate. Working
in a dead end job. No future.



If the drugs weren't there he probably/certainly wouldn't use. If
the future was there for him he probably/certainly wouldn't have used.



50, 000 a year are now overdosing on Mexican heroin and nobody wants to point the finger at the source. Please note my concern.

Posted by: mega machines at March 03, 2016 05:05 PM (fbovC)

The drugs are always going to be there.


If it's not heroin, its cocaine. If its not through Mexico, its through the Caribbean (did you know that drug dealers actually build small subs to get to the US?). As long as there is demand, there will be supply.


I understand your concern and I share it as I am a mom but our focus needs to be on fixing our country instead of burning it down (so our kids have a positive future to look to ) and also on teaching our kids not to be dumbasses.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 05:12 PM (OrI3J)

247
"If you want your film studio
To go bust
Who ya gonna call..."

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at March 03, 2016 05:12 PM (iQIUe)

248 Seriously though Kari, best wishes. I'm an unemployed Gen Y'er (I hate the term millenial), so I know how daunting the job market can be.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 03, 2016 05:13 PM (4/i9Y)

249 And yeah, let me once again repeat my observation that the same people saying that Trump is the New Hitler are still unwilling to even consider rallying behind Cruz, because Cruz is Not Quite Our Class, Dear

Hows that now? I'm all for rallying behind Cruz, I also think Trump may be less Hitler and more Franco, but both are pretty bad.

The only reason I haven't specifically rallied around Cruz yet is a matter of game theory honestly. I'd personally like to see some more polling from my state.

Posted by: tsrblke (on adblocker) at March 03, 2016 05:13 PM (tM4uk)

250 Put aside good or bad feelings about Trump for a moment. Pretend he's not in the race. What is happening to Trump would be happening to Cruz if he was the frontrunner, and with the anti establishment feelings I think he would. Would Cruz have the ability to fight off the attacks from the GOPe? I don't think so. Trump is a different kind of animal. But he might be the only one that's able to do this to the establishment. I hate that it's come to this but it had to blow up sometime. Trump is popular not because of who he is, he's popular because of what the GOPe has become.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 03, 2016 05:13 PM (btH0m)

251 For the GOPe it goes like this

First choice: Winning elections
Second choice: Democrats winning elections, but staying in some power
Third choice: being wiped out in elections, but retaining control of the Republican Party
...
Sixty fight choice: Having your scrotum flayed off by rabid weasels
Sixty sixth choice: Tea Party conservatives winning

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 03, 2016 05:13 PM (39g3+)

252 "My friends..we have nothing to fear from a Barack Obama presidency."

Posted by: Mr Wizard at March 03, 2016 05:13 PM (X/2ij)

253 PSA: For all who think they are witnessing before their very eyes the destruction of a political party, I got news for ya, it has been going on for at least 16 years and Teh Trumpster isn't the destructor.

Posted by: dogfish at March 03, 2016 05:13 PM (SSeCw)

254 "That is true, but Rush actually did all Rubicuomo conservative. I was floored.

"Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 03, 2016 05:01 PM (p4UlVI think that Rubio is fairly conservative, just nowhere near as conservative as Cruz.Where I lost a lot of respect for Rubio was the Gang of Eight debacle, which showed me that he bought some of the ideas of the left with regards to amnesty. I also wonder sometimes if he has feet of clay.That said, if I were him, I would have said:1) Immediately end Obama's illegal "executive order" amnesty2) Immediately implement nationwide e-verify
3) Fund and build the wall/fence within 1 - 2 years4) Begin program to track down people who didn't come to their immigration hearings5) Shut down the program that allows unaccompanied kids into the country6) Work to pass law that withholds Fed funds from sanctuary citiesThen, two years after the wall is complete and if it can be proved that illegal immigration is reduced to a trickle, start the conversation about what to do about the remaining illegals (I think that many will self-deport once it's a lot harder to get a job).But Rubio won't do that, because I think that he doesn't want to allow that big a gap between tightening the border and addressing remaining illegals.

3)

Posted by: Reno_Dave at March 03, 2016 05:14 PM (n6gHv)

255 I'm counting on real estate staying "high" through the summer.
Anyone need a 4 bdr in the foothills?


Posted by: Joe Mama at March 03, 2016 05:11 PM (NQmg1)

My sources say market still hot, where you headed?

Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2016 05:14 PM (3myMJ)

256 Question: how is it these selfsame fucks went around begging trump to sign pledges not to run third party are now going around loudly screaming they will vote for Hillary fucking Clinton over trump should he win the nomination?

Isn't that a tad hypocritical? Isn't that what they didn't want him and his voters to do?
But they can do it? Ok fuck them

Posted by: Mr Pink at March 03, 2016 05:14 PM (3Ls9/)

257 Yeah artisanl ette that's the way forward for sure, I just don't like not having my feet under me. I need out of this field though so this is good, it's just not good yet

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 03, 2016 05:14 PM (xuouz)

258 Trump is popular not because of who he is, he's popular because of what the GOPe has become.
Posted by: Minnfidel at March 03, 2016 05:13 PM (btH0m)


Well said

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2016 05:14 PM (mw8Dm)

259 Anybody hiring snarky millenials?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 03, 2016 05:05 PM (xuouz)

What geographic area are you looking in?

Posted by: stuiec at March 03, 2016 05:14 PM (eetvJ)

260 We share contempt / dissappointment / unhappiness with the GOPe, we have felt abandoned ... but we do differ on who we think is the vessel to chart a new direction.

OK, here is where I really start to worry.

We're down to Trump and NotTrump, so it's not exactly just "who we think is the vessel".

I like Cruz, there were about five people I liked before Cruz who are out of the race now.

The problem is that people making the Mitt argument -- by which I mean me -- are not pushing against Actual Trump, but are just inciting the antagonisms and antipathies of the rejected classes of base voters, the voters outraged by the failure of owning the House and the Senate to change anything, etc.

So if I attack Trump, you react in defense of the disaffected class, the Let It Burn's. I see so few arguments in favor of Ideological Trumpism.

There are some who are Close the Border First, which is a principled point. There are some who are for trade protectionism, which is misguided. But the major impetus I perceive among the pro Trump is fuck the GOPe.

Is that really enough?

Is the only way to stick it to them a man, neither of whose skin or hair colors are found in nature, who can't get through a ramble without five "actually"s, "if you think about it"s, and all the other verbal tics that will become as grating as "let me be clear"?

All of the Mitt arguments are accurate and cogent. Why did we have to Trump ourselves this hard?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 03, 2016 05:14 PM (1xUj/)

261 Well, ask if he's hiring a speechwriter. He sure as hell needs one.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 03, 2016 05:11 PM (xuouz)
You should; you are pretty eloquent.

Posted by: IC at March 03, 2016 05:14 PM (a0IVu)

262 All the millennials I know in Colorado are making
$25 an hour trimming buds. They say it's fine except they stick to
everything they touch.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2016 05:10 PM (3myMJ)



That's good money right there. I should move to Colorado.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 03, 2016 05:11 PM (0mRoj)


I would love to set up their retirement fund. But it doesn't kick in until age 65. Those who make it that far won't remember they have a retirement fund, so..... I'll be Tahiti. Deep tanned ladies kneeling before me...

Posted by: BurtTC at March 03, 2016 05:14 PM (TOk1P)

263 250 Seriously though Kari, best wishes. I'm an unemployed Gen Y'er (I hate the term millenial), so I know how daunting the job market can be.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 03, 2016 05:13 PM (4/i9Y)

Unemployed Gen Xer here. Looking at my resume I should have a nice stable career. Reality is a lot different. Fuck it all.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 03, 2016 05:15 PM (0mRoj)

264 Question: how is it these selfsame fucks went around begging trump to sign pledges not to run third party are now going around loudly screaming they will vote for Hillary fucking Clinton over trump should he win the nomination?

Isn't that a tad hypocritical? Isn't that what they didn't want him and his voters to do?
But they can do it? Ok fuck them
Posted by: Mr Pink at March 03, 2016 05:14 PM (3Ls9/)

Also well said

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2016 05:15 PM (mw8Dm)

265 It's obvious you idiots cannot select a proper President. I will stay in office another four years, since you're probably too afraid to ask. Fore! - B. Obama

Posted by: AlaBAMA at March 03, 2016 05:15 PM (2PHKP)

266 Trump should have had the members of the GOPe sign a pledge, not the other way around

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 03, 2016 05:15 PM (Qvgg/)

267 @224 "But i'm pretty sure he knows that he will take a bunch of shit for this but he felt it was important to the country. "

Yeah, I'm not keen on the timing, but at least he didn't knee-cap Cruz, so fine.

But, as someone reminded me on Twitter, the first statesman to take a hard shot at Trump and call him out was Rick Perry. I don't recall any of the folks cheering on Mitt giving him credit for it. Funny that.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at March 03, 2016 05:15 PM (t5zYU)

268 IP
God bless Miss Shiloh Mae
May she enjoy many meatballs in heaven

Posted by: ginaswo at March 03, 2016 05:15 PM (qxNrP)

269 " thanks willow and votermom and NOT broseidon. I don't think I'd fit in at vox.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 03, 2016 05:11 PM (xuouz) "

Don't believe the rumors about Vox. Forced sodomy is not a company policy, except on casual Fridays.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 03, 2016 05:16 PM (4/i9Y)

270 "bjk, i disagree with the whole statement of racial interest.
we have american interests, which encompasses all of americanS interests"

That's living in the past. Whites used to be like Shaq. Shaq was 330, built out of muscle, and he would smile and take it when teams would "hack a Shaq." But those days are over. We're still getting hacked but whites will soon be in the minority if we don't defend our interests as a group. Whites like to think politics is about individuals, and everyone as an individual is an American, but politics is really about groups. It was easy to forget that when whites were the dominant group and forebeared from exacting all the benefits of being the majority. But those days are over. The Democrats are waging full-out demographic warfare on whites and dancing (a little prematurely) on our graves. It's no longer a basketball game, it's now a football game, and it's time to hit back. For one thing, we have no choice. We either defend our own interests or apply for that visa to Australia.

Posted by: bjk at March 03, 2016 05:16 PM (5IRfl)

271 Trimming buds in colorado lol. I just quit last month

broseidon embrace it, they're going to call us that anyway. I have nothing to do with that nose-up-the-ass magazine though.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 03, 2016 05:16 PM (xuouz)

272 Ace, I know you're still staying with cruz because ideologically he's the fitting choice. You still see an opportunity to build a true and fair conservative coalition for this election. It's seems to be the rational choice. Trump doesn't match almost any of our ideals. He reeks of personality occult and fascist tendencies, but it's time we accepted it man. The left broke the social contract. They haven't fought by the rules and neither has the establishment. Look at the big picture ace, we are at war now and you know it. It's time to start allying with the enemy of our enemy.

Embrace "trumpism" ace

hoist the black flag!!

and if that means they are gonna burn it down, then LET IT BURN.

Join us ace

JOIN US!!

Posted by: bob at March 03, 2016 05:16 PM (3rX4w)

273 If I was Mittens, I would keep my mouth shut lest someone talk about my core beliefs.

Just Saying

Posted by: TommyTee at March 03, 2016 05:16 PM (G19+P)

274
If you love comedy,

you'll like the new Ghostbusters.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 03, 2016 05:16 PM (0cMkb)

275

We need more heroin OD's. There, I said it. Hand it out on street corners for free. No Narcan, no EMS, no nuttin but a pauper's grave in a potters field on the tax payers dime. Good riddance.

Posted by: Barney Rubio, Purpleish at March 03, 2016 05:16 PM (qul7b)

276 For years I've been watching the GOP become more "selective" in its appeal, as Ian Faith would say, also narrowcasting and flattering and validating one cohort. It's just a different cohort's than Palin's.

Term limits.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 03, 2016 05:17 PM (qCMvj)

277 Minnfidel: "Trump is popular not because of who he is, he's popular because of what the GOPe has become."

Cannot be said enough.

This is the kernel of truth that threads every fabric of Trumpism.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 03, 2016 05:17 PM (1CroS)

278 wtf dude that's not a : x face

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 03, 2016 05:17 PM (xuouz)

279 pssst...Palin and Sessions and Trump have been planning this for a long time.

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at March 03, 2016 05:17 PM (COpZ4)

280 Why do no major GOP officials or high partisans have any kind of moral authority and popularity sufficient to denounce Trump?

Because they're nothing but a bunch of retarded, treasonous, Vichy collaborators who care more about their butt-buddy Barky and killing the Tea Party than anything else. They should all go straight to hell.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 03, 2016 05:17 PM (zc3Db)

281 When anybody mentions knees I think of arthritis and arthroscopic surgery. Jeebus, I'm getting old...

Posted by: Insomniac at March 03, 2016 05:17 PM (0mRoj)

282 All the millennials I know in Colorado are making $25 an hour trimming buds. They say it's fine except they stick to everything they touch.
Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2016 05:10 PM (3myMJ)

That's good money right there. I should move to Colorado.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 03, 2016 05:11 PM (0mRoj)

no kidding, i could even manage that, as exhausted as i feel

Posted by: willow at March 03, 2016 05:17 PM (L1+sh)

283 >>But, as someone reminded me on Twitter, the first statesman to take a hard shot at Trump and call him out was Rick Perry. I don't recall any of the folks cheering on Mitt giving him credit for it. Funny that.

I did. Last June I believe. One of the best things I've ever heard him say.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 03, 2016 05:17 PM (/tuJf)

284

Posted by: mega machines at March 03, 2016 04:54 PM (fbovC)

No... our young's stupidity in taking drugs is what is killing our young. Drugs are not sneaking into our houses in the middle of the night and injecting themselves into our kids.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 04:57 PM

There was an addiction counselor on Fox and Friends this morning who was lamenting the lack of beds in treatment facilities and how she needs more taxpayer money for treatment to stop the heroin scourge....I guess I am a heartless bitch, but I have a problem with the general public being forced to pay for treatment for you/your kids stupidity.
Being addicted to heroin is NOT like treating cancer, etc.
Why are people who behave and follow the rules being forced to bail other people out for doing something stupid that they could have completely avoided had they made better decisions?? I don't think there is a person alive who is not well aware of the addictive nature of heroin, and yet some people act like it was something that just *happened*.

But that's just me.

Posted by: TX ette, resigned to accept the fresh hell at March 03, 2016 05:18 PM (sUJHF)

285 I'm not cure if I like Ace's use of the word co-opt. Maybe its just me but I feel that means taking over to further you own goals. For instance the SJW's have co-opted Twitter to silence their opponents. So the GOPe co-opting the outsider movements would still be attempting to push the same things. And I dont' think that's what ace is suggesting at all.

I do think his later use of "accomodation" is a better word, since that's indicative of them actually getting at least some of what they want.

Posted by: buzzion at March 03, 2016 05:18 PM (z/Ubi)

286 I held my nose and voted McCain
I held my nose and voted for Romney
I held my nose and voted Boehner to Speaker of the house
I held my nose and helped Bitch Mconnel win a senate majority

But they can't hold their nose one fucking time for the voters of their own party? Fuck em I hope they do switch to democrats it would at least be honest

Posted by: Mr Pink at March 03, 2016 05:18 PM (3Ls9/)

287 I thought that Trump was a charlatan and a fraud for a long time.
Romney has gone a long way in convincing me that I was looking in the
wrong direction.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 03, 2016 05:18 PM (Qvgg/)

288 278
We need more heroin OD's. There, I said it. Hand it out on street corners for free. No Narcan, no EMS, no nuttin but a pauper's grave in a potters field on the tax payers dime. Good riddance.
Posted by: Barney Rubio, Purpleish at March 03, 2016 05:16 PM (qul7b)


Newsletter?

Posted by: Badda Bing at March 03, 2016 05:19 PM (gxIP7)

289 Anybody hiring snarky millenials?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 03, 2016 05:05 PM (xuouz)



sit back a bit and wait it out

don't do anything rash



sometimes it all works out for the better

(but get your cv/resume updated!)

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 03, 2016 05:09 PM (qCMvj)

And do some deep thought on whether what you are doing is actually what you want to DO with your life. The cliche about when God shuts a door, he opens a window... that is true. Maybe this is a message that you need to be heading in a better, happier path for you.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 05:19 PM (OrI3J)

290 "broseidon embrace it, they're going to call us that anyway. I have nothing to do with that nose-up-the-ass magazine though.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 03, 2016 05:16 PM (xuouz) "

Can't I just self-identify as something else? Liberals seem to be cool with that. I self identify as an Elizabethan.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 03, 2016 05:19 PM (4/i9Y)

291 I can't wait to see Trump flanked on one side by Christie and flanked on the other side by Sarah Palin.

Where did she end up? Did the Establishment slap her pee-pee?

Posted by: Fritz at March 03, 2016 05:19 PM (37OkS)

292
Posted by: bjk at March 03, 2016 05:16 PM (5IRfl)

Richard Spencer, is that you?

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at March 03, 2016 05:19 PM (lVU49)

293 >>>
Hows that now? I'm all for rallying behind Cruz, I also think Trump may be less Hitler and more Franco, but both are pretty bad.

i paint with a broad brush, but a lot of people are STILL trying to win old arguments about deposing Boehner, etc.

There have been a series of arguments over the years that always feature the SAME people on the SAME sides -- Christie O'Donnel. The Shutdown. John Boehner. Whether or not it's "absurd" to elect Daniel Webster Speaker, as if Boehner is some kind of profound statesman. The Iran deal. etc.

The same people, the smart set, always reflexively rush to one side of these contests.

One begins to suspect this is reflexive precisely because there's a lot of Identity Politics mixed in here.

Posted by: ace at March 03, 2016 05:19 PM (dciA+)

294 Posted by: ginaswo at March 03, 2016 05:15 PM (qxNrP)

Thank you.. It was hard, but preserving her dignity was the right thing to do.
Don't tell the vet, I snuck behind the desk and grabbed her a big ol' handful of treats when nobody was watching.

Posted by: IP at March 03, 2016 05:19 PM (aQQbl)

295 New Lady Ghostbusters official trailer : http://tinyurl.com/jlsvgga

It's like the original but without all that annoying humor getting in the way.

Posted by: Dr Spank


What 8 year old kid is going to want to see that flaming pile of shit?

I hope it ruins careers.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 03, 2016 05:19 PM (A/3fN)

296 When you're trying to defeat an actual Hitler, you don't have margin to pick and choose your saviors.

The people rescued from the death camps didn't say "WTF all these Americans with Southern accents sound super racist!"

That's how I know they're not serious - they're still bitching about trivialities.

Posted by: Infrequent Commenter at March 03, 2016 05:19 PM (00nj4)

297 Unemployment rate Colorado 2012: 8.0%


Unemployment rate 2016: 3.5%

Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2016 05:19 PM (3myMJ)

298 I can't wait to see Trump flanked on one side by Christie and flanked on the other side by Sarah Palin.

-------------

Sarah got put away rather quickly by Trump.

Posted by: SH at March 03, 2016 05:20 PM (gmeXX)

299 I thought that Trump was a charlatan and a fraud for a long time.

Romney has gone a long way in convincing me that I was looking in the

wrong direction.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 03, 2016 05:18 PM (Qvgg/)

Trump is a charlatan and a fraud... that hasn't changed just because Willard is a GOPe prick.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 05:20 PM (OrI3J)

300 The cliche about when God shuts a door, he opens a window... that is true

Sometimes he shuts the door, nails the windows shut and sets the house on fire too. But then again, I'm an optimist.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 03, 2016 05:20 PM (0mRoj)

301 I'm not cure if I like Ace's use of the word co-opt. Maybe its just me but I feel that means taking over to further you own goals. For instance the SJW's have co-opted Twitter to silence their opponents. So the GOPe co-opting the outsider movements would still be attempting to push the same things. And I dont' think that's what ace is suggesting at all.

Posted by: buzzion at March 03, 2016 05:18 PM (z/Ubi)


Yep. Co-opting something is to gain control of something and turn it from its original use to serve your purposes - often diametrically opposed (though not always).

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 03, 2016 05:20 PM (zc3Db)

302 Ace,

It might be nice to have a political thread on more local races, or at least POTUS free. Plenty of Senate, House, and local races of importance.

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 03, 2016 05:20 PM (vBeA5)

303 Brilliant post ace

Posted by: gwelf at March 03, 2016 05:20 PM (+7Usq)

304 You'll get squat cobbler AND LIKE IT!!!

Posted by: GOPe at March 03, 2016 05:21 PM (oVJmc)

305 Richard Spencer woudl know the past tense of forbear is forebore.

Posted by: bjk at March 03, 2016 05:21 PM (5IRfl)

306 yeah I'm pretty sure Romney just added 2% to Trump's polling with that speech alone. Thanks for the reminder!

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 03, 2016 05:21 PM (39g3+)

307 Ace, not an attack but I ask this in an introspective manner:
didn't you and a bunch of other bloggers do your part in marginalizing Palin and siding with the very stiffs you are excoriating now?

The "not our tribe" thing - we all do it.

Posted by: votermom at March 03, 2016 05:21 PM (cbfNE)

308 >>>
Yep. Co-opting something is to gain control of something and turn it from its original use to serve your purposes - often diametrically opposed (though not always).

but that's what political movements are supposed to do. though I guess you're right. I guess what I'm proposing is more of a merger/power-share than an actual cooptation.

Okay, I stand corrected.

Posted by: ace at March 03, 2016 05:21 PM (dciA+)

309 308 Richard Spencer woudl know the past tense of forbear is forebore.
Posted by: bjk at March 03, 2016 05:21 PM (5IRfl)

Hey, one bear was bad enough, alright?

Posted by: Leo DiCaprio at March 03, 2016 05:22 PM (0mRoj)

310 Yep my respect for Perry went up tremendously when he let loose on Trump. I also praised Rand , who first ran commercials on Trump showing his liberal declarations.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 03, 2016 05:22 PM (UGLi1)

311 yeah I'm pretty sure Romney just added 2% to Trump's polling with that speech alone. Thanks for the reminder!
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 03, 2016 05:21 PM (39g3+)


the prevailing theory earlier was 5%, but hey let's see. LMAO

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2016 05:22 PM (mw8Dm)

312 A little late to the party.....but well said Ace. Dude you have a way with words and can express thought I have but can't quite put down on paper.

Bravo old chap.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 03, 2016 05:22 PM (0LHZx)

313 still, in practical usage, it does in fact mean you give somethign to the group you're coopting.

When the Democrats coopted the socialists, guess what? The Democrats incorporated a form of socialism into their platform.

Posted by: ace at March 03, 2016 05:22 PM (dciA+)

314 "Sometimes he shuts the door, nails the windows shut and sets the house on fire too. But then again, I'm an optimist.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 03, 2016 05:20 PM (0mRoj) "

If the right person is trapped in the house, I'm also an optimist.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 03, 2016 05:22 PM (4/i9Y)

315 Anybody hiring snarky millennials?

Yes, but only for unpaid internships.

Posted by: jack at March 03, 2016 05:22 PM (XhzTz)

316 Doesn't anybody know how to play this game?????

Posted by: Thomas 'Yogi' Jefferson at March 03, 2016 05:23 PM (XdbLA)

317 "He is talking to people who already agree with him." That's what elitists typically do, since they can't really perceive people who disagree with them. Nicolae Ceausescu was a benchmark example of this.

Posted by: grayishpanther at March 03, 2016 05:23 PM (ty9Ew)

318 If you don't vote for me you're making a uuuuuge mistake! and you're a loser a wimp and a choker!

Posted by: Trumpnado at March 03, 2016 05:23 PM (gxIP7)

319 When the Democrats coopted the socialists, guess what? The Democrats incorporated a form of socialism into their platform.

Posted by: ace at March 03, 2016 05:22 PM (dciA+)

I thought the socialists swallowed the democrats whole?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2016 05:23 PM (mw8Dm)

320 Trimming buds in colorado lol. I just quit last month

Did it suck? Cause I'm thinking it's harder work than it sounds.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2016 05:24 PM (3myMJ)

321 Cruz is a Jesus Freak Nativist who expects people to have ethics and for my staff to pay full price for someone to clean their homes.

Posted by: John Keating Five McCain at March 03, 2016 05:24 PM (Trq86)

322 We don't care what Trump said last year, last month, last week.


We are going to vote for him because he is our weapon.


Posted by: eman


And you'll be the first one blaming others when he turns on you. He is not your weapon. You are his marks.

Posted by: pep at March 03, 2016 05:24 PM (LAe3v)

323 >>>Ace, not an attack but I ask this in an introspective manner:
didn't you and a bunch of other bloggers do your part in marginalizing Palin and siding with the very stiffs you are excoriating now?

The "not our tribe" thing - we all do it.

..

no. I say now as I said then: I have no problem with Palin's tribe. My object to palin was that she narrowcasted exclusively to this tribe, as if the other tribes didn't matter.

which is a fine strategy if you want to sell products and a brand (which requires deep appeal, but narrow appeal) but not if you want to run for office (which requires broad appeal -- deep appeal of course preferred, but shallow is fine too).

Posted by: ace at March 03, 2016 05:24 PM (dciA+)

324 Sometimes he shuts the door, nails the windows shut and sets the house on fire too. But then again, I'm an optimist.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 03, 2016 05:20 PM (0mRoj)

heh, sometimes you come out a little burned but no Pain no Gain!

smile insomniac. we gotta reach the other side.

Posted by: willow at March 03, 2016 05:24 PM (L1+sh)

325 The cliche about when God shuts a door, he opens a window... that is true

Sometimes the window is too small to get through though. Just big enough to show you what else is out there that you can't have.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 03, 2016 05:24 PM (39g3+)

326 If Trump wins the primaries coming up this Saturday, does the GOPe trot out Jeb Bush to denounce Trump?

Posted by: IC at March 03, 2016 05:25 PM (a0IVu)

327 Can't I just self-identify as something else? Liberals seem to be cool with that. I self identify as an Elizabethan.
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 03, 2016 05:19 PM (4/i9Y)

I self-identify as a viking berserker.
Or a jazz age motion picture star.

Thanks for the kind words rb, I am of like mind with you. Have to find the positive.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 03, 2016 05:25 PM (xuouz)

328 yeah I'm pretty sure Romney just added 2% to Trump's polling with that speech alone. Thanks for the reminder!
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 03, 2016 05:21 PM (39g3+)


the prevailing theory earlier was 5%, but hey let's see. LMAO

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Honestly, its probably not going to have much of an effect either way.

Posted by: SH at March 03, 2016 05:25 PM (gmeXX)

329 I understand your concern and I share it as I am a mom but our focus needs to be on fixing our country instead of burning it down (so our kids have a positive future to look to ) and also on teaching our kids not to be dumbasses.Posted by: redbanzai

I was a dumbass as a kid. Five dollar.a bag marijuana was available. Not potent, life ending heroin. As a Mom I hope you realize the difference. Your offspring *will* do dumb stuff. It shouldn't end their lives forever.

50, 000 lives a year lost to heroin. A Vietnam veterans memorial... each and every year. Are politicians, including Trump, somehow afraid to name the source?

Perhaps he's saving his (pardon me) Trump card for the debate against Hillary, where she has no answer. And the female support that is her lifeblood disappears overnight.

Posted by: mega machines at March 03, 2016 05:25 PM (fbovC)

330 So let me get my former and current narratives correct. If I make an error please let me know.

We must wait until we win the senate in 2014 and or presidency in 2012 to actually push back against the left. We don't control anything and don't have enough votes to stop anything the democrats want.

We must wait until we win the presidency in 2016 to push back on repealing Obama care and stopping some of the madness going on the last 8 years. We don't have enough votes in the senate to override a presidential veto and it's pointless boo hoo.

Oh wait you guys nominated Trump? Ok fuck it we are all democrats now. Long live queen Hillary and obamacare.

Posted by: Mr Pink at March 03, 2016 05:25 PM (3Ls9/)

331 "Shriveled the party into a pale, sickly thing, bent and stupid from inbreeding."

And now you are conjuring Eldritch Horrors. Question, who wins Innsmouth? And have we heard yet from the Miskatonic University poll?

Posted by: Soulpatchtony at March 03, 2016 05:25 PM (m40v5)

332 Palin is a member of the "Tribe"? She doesn't look shrewish to me?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2016 05:25 PM (mw8Dm)

333 I will say Trump is one of the first 'politicians' I've seen on television and to the media not to denigrate or denounce the tea party immediately. While he may not be perfect from an ideological point of view, I can get on board with his 'big tent' way of welcoming pretty much everybody (except illegals )

One thing that always pissed me off about Obama was that even after winning the presidency he continued to speak down to conservatives. I don't think President Trump would do that, but some people need to come to terms with the fact that he probably won't demonize the democrats and liberals either. I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. The president shouldn't denigrate United States citizens.

That said, I'm still not for Trump. I like Cruz. I think Cruz is smarter than Trump, but the media has been doing a hit job on him for years now.

Posted by: Becky at March 03, 2016 05:25 PM (JQG3D)

334 The idea that you go out there and sort of imply that people with a college education aren't quite "real" americans?

Horrible politics, given that 30% of the population has a college degree and is proud of that.

Now, I think they're overproud of that, and that they're deriving a bit too much self-value from a class-oriented credential, but the fact is, they're proud of that. You don't run that down, even to boost your no-college-degree supporters.

You have to appeal to both.

Posted by: ace at March 03, 2016 05:26 PM (dciA+)

335 First choice: Winning elections

Second choice: Democrats winning elections, but staying in some power

Third choice: being wiped out in elections, but retaining control of the Republican Party

...

Sixty fight choice: Having your scrotum flayed off by rabid weasels

Sixty sixth choice: Tea Party conservatives winning

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 03, 2016 05:13 PM (39g3+)

I would switch choices 1 and 2... but other than that, that sounds about right.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 05:26 PM (OrI3J)

336 I disagree with the "big tent", inclusive idea.

Obama won two terms by being the least inclusive, most radical, far- left candidate in history (with the exception of the self- identified socialist that is now giving Hillary a run for her money).

There is nothing at all inclusive about Trump but, like it or not, (and I don't like it), he's winning.

Yes, the GOP is signing it's death warrant by alienating anyone remotely conservative and either endorsing or failing to oppose a far left shift across the board. I think the main issue is the latter.

You don't get much more inclusive than Romney. He's never had a hard position on anything (up until now in his NotTrump speech). His record spans the entire gamut from left to right. There has never been a more vanilla, non offensive, middle of the road, open to everyone candidate for anything that I can recall. That is why he lost.

Magazines figured this out decades ago. The magazines that did well appealed to very specific, very targeted, very small audiences. The magazines that tried to have something for everyone and excluded no one always failed.

The reason is simple and everyone he knows and agrees about it: No one agrees with everyone 100%.

The solution is not to be more inclusive. The solution is to rally 100% of the hard core people that agree with you on a key issue and leave the rest to squabble.

52% voted for Obama twice. 49% voted against him but not for anyone and double that stayed home.

Posted by: Damiano at March 03, 2016 05:26 PM (XItbt)

337 See, Ace, you view the establishment as being unmoved to welcome an outsider or to open their arms to those not educated at Ivy League institutions. You see this as a bad thing.

The GOPe, however, sees themselves this way:

http://bit.ly/1Tcd9DE

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 03, 2016 05:26 PM (8PbKi)

338 He is not your weapon. You are his marks.

Posted by: pep at March 03, 2016 05:24 PM (LAe3v)

see i've felt this way about the GOP and our un reciprocated relationship

Posted by: willow at March 03, 2016 05:26 PM (L1+sh)

339 327 Sometimes he shuts the door, nails the windows shut and sets the house on fire too. But then again, I'm an optimist.
Posted by: Insomniac at March 03, 2016 05:20 PM (0mRoj)

heh, sometimes you come out a little burned but no Pain no Gain!

smile insomniac. we gotta reach the other side.
Posted by: willow at March 03, 2016 05:24 PM (L1+sh)

*attempts smile*

Eh, sorry. Best I can manage is a bitter, contemptuous-looking sneer. I'll work on it.

Posted by: Leo DiCaprio at March 03, 2016 05:26 PM (0mRoj)

340 no. I say now as I said then: I have no problem with Palin's tribe. My object to palin was that she narrowcasted exclusively to this tribe, as if the other tribes didn't matter.

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Which we are finding out was a tribe that needed tending too and may also be a pretty big tribe. Perhaps it was not wise to shit upon the person who is playing to that tribe.

Posted by: SH at March 03, 2016 05:26 PM (gmeXX)

341 Honestly, its probably not going to have much of an effect either way.
Posted by: SH at March 03, 2016 05:25 PM (gmeXX)

Oh no, I bet it helps Trump. Romney represents the establishment that many Republicans hate.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2016 05:26 PM (mw8Dm)

342 Bravo! been arguing the same damn thing for almost 2 days now. But its not just the acela crowd. This is the exact f'n thing cruz should be doing. but doesnt. and alot of his supporters just say fuck those people. but GDI, i want Reagan-sized majorities for Reagan-style conservatism.

whats the only metric obama wins? "he cares about me"

what did bush jr. win with? "he may not drink, but id rather have a beer w/ him"

clinton "guy would be the ideal wingman. he brings the girls over, and takes the ugly one"

and you know reagan, ace, cuz you made this point the other day

Posted by: A.G. at March 03, 2016 05:26 PM (DnQNa)

343 Sometimes the window is too small to get through though. Just big enough to show you what else is out there that you can't have.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 03, 2016 05:24 PM (39g3+)

Negative
Waves

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 03, 2016 05:27 PM (xuouz)

344 Just got back. Has anybody won yet?

Posted by: Soona at March 03, 2016 05:27 PM (Fmupd)

345 Bear rape victim sock off.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 03, 2016 05:27 PM (0mRoj)

346 I will say Trump is one of the first 'politicians'
I've seen on television and to the media not to denigrate or denounce
the tea party immediately. While he may not be perfect from an
ideological point of view, I can get on board with his 'big tent' way of
welcoming pretty much everybody (except illegals )



One thing that always pissed me off about Obama was that even after
winning the presidency he continued to speak down to conservatives. I
don't think President Trump would do that, but some people need to come
to terms with the fact that he probably won't demonize the democrats and
liberals either. I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. The
president shouldn't denigrate United States citizens.



That said, I'm still not for Trump. I like Cruz. I think Cruz is
smarter than Trump, but the media has been doing a hit job on him for
years now.

Posted by: Becky at March 03, 2016 05:25 PM (JQG3D)


And yet Cruz is still standing and strong.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 05:27 PM (OrI3J)

347 Palin is a member of the "Tribe"? She doesn't look shrewish to me?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2016 05:25 PM (mw8Dm)

Hey! whuts that

Posted by: willow at March 03, 2016 05:27 PM (L1+sh)

348 I just read Rich Lowry and was like "didn't I just read this on Ace? All Lowry did was smush two Ace blog posts together."

Posted by: bjk at March 03, 2016 05:27 PM (5IRfl)

349 If Dick Cheney gave the exact speech that Romney gave would it have made a difference or would Cheney be now characterized as a )!?$@

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 03, 2016 05:27 PM (UGLi1)

350 316 still, in practical usage, it does in fact mean you give somethign to the group you're coopting.

When the Democrats coopted the socialists, guess what? The Democrats incorporated a form of socialism into their platform.

Posted by: ace at March 03, 2016 05:22 PM (dciA+)



Well as I said, its the way I read the word personally.

Posted by: buzzion at March 03, 2016 05:27 PM (z/Ubi)

351 Narrowcasted?

Nonced again!

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 03, 2016 05:27 PM (1CroS)

352 Posted by: ace at March 03, 2016 05:19 PM (

To be honest I've felt the GOP has represented a sort of small scale fracture among the country for a while now.

It's just playing out finally. Behold it in it's glory.
I know some establishment leaning folks who most certainly are not in any establishment (except their local pub). They tend to support the pro-business part of the GOP platform and as such tend to be on different sides of many of the arguments with me.

Posted by: tsrblke (on adblocker) at March 03, 2016 05:28 PM (tM4uk)

353 And yet, a guy who is slugging it out and willing to give the dems, the media, and rinos.a taste of their own crap, is being vilified by those who support a different guy. You mock his supporters as idiots, like an Elitist. You call him a tyrant, con man, sekit liberal, because you are unwilling to see he talks alot of crap for shock and wake people up. Many Americans want to shock the Elite and stop the madness. Get working again. Pursue their dreams. There are those of you who are so angry your guy isn't winning that you fail to see THIS IS SO MUCH BIGGER THAN TRU.MP.

Posted by: zzBottom at March 03, 2016 05:28 PM (aHUpC)

354 Palin is a member of the "Tribe"? She doesn't look shrewish to me?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2016 05:25 PM (mw8Dm)

Hey! whuts that
Posted by: willow at March 03, 2016 05:27 PM (L1+sh)

your serious?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2016 05:28 PM (mw8Dm)

355 I think there are many folks who cannot accept that Trump is the good guy and their own old buddies are the bad guys.

Trump is looking you in the eye and telling you the bad-tasting truth.

Too many people prefer losing like Gentlemen rather than facing the truth and taking action.

The Cruz supporters have a good point. Cruz is a genuine Conservative and a very smart guy.

The sad truth though is that is not what is needed now.

Now the USA needs a smart, ass-kicking punk that will fuck up the System and put the USA first.

Trump is that guy.



Posted by: eman at March 03, 2016 05:28 PM (Ahbpx)

356 And now you are conjuring Eldritch Horrors. Question, who wins Innsmouth? And have we heard yet from the Miskatonic University poll?

Posted by: Soulpatchtony at March 03, 2016 05:25 PM (m40v5)


Charles Dexter Ward

Posted by: #DagonLivesMatter at March 03, 2016 05:28 PM (vBeA5)

357 New Lady Ghostbusters official trailer : http://tinyurl.com/jlsvgga

It's like the original but without all that annoying humor getting in the way.

Posted by: Dr Spank


wow, only laughed once, and barely, when one got slapped at the end

cliche's

but, good FX

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 03, 2016 05:28 PM (qCMvj)

358 Obama won two terms by being the least inclusive, most radical, far- left candidate in history (with the exception of the self- identified socialist that is now giving Hillary a run for her money).

Posted by: Damiano


Nope.

He ran as Candidate Platitude. No specifics except closing Gitmo. His elevator pitch was "I'm black."

Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 03, 2016 05:29 PM (A/3fN)

359 And I predict tonight's debate to be a shit show. I assume its the 3 Stooges moderator team again of Wallace, Megyn, and Brett right?

So Megyn will again pick a fight with Trump on the first question which derails all conversation of it. And Chris Wallace will do his "This candidate on the stage with you said 'X' I want to get you to attack him for saying 'X.' And go!" all night.

Posted by: buzzion at March 03, 2016 05:29 PM (z/Ubi)

360 Soona: "Just got back. Has anybody won yet?"

Well, Romney lost. Again.

So that's enough for the moment.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 03, 2016 05:29 PM (1CroS)

361
Sometimes the window is too small to get through though. Just big enough to show you what else is out there that you can't have.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 03, 2016 05:24 PM (39g3+)


Then you grab the tools God gave you and widen that bad boy.


Like the Bare Naked Ladies sing:


Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight,

You've got to kick at the darkness til it bleeds daylight.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 05:29 PM (OrI3J)

362 Cruz is probably calling Jeb right now begging him, "Make a really nasty speech about me, please! I'm dying over here."



Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2016 05:29 PM (3myMJ)

363 Oh no, I bet it helps Trump. Romney represents the establishment that many Republicans hate.

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Yeah, but that cake has already been baked. I could equally say that many people find Romney to be an admirable man. In the end, I just don't think it will matter much.

Posted by: SH at March 03, 2016 05:30 PM (gmeXX)

364 Reaction video to the new "Ghostbusters"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RbZ8qG9QEo

Posted by: Even Slimer wouldn't tap that! at March 03, 2016 05:30 PM (vBeA5)

365
352 If Dick Cheney gave the exact speech that Romney gave would it have made a difference or would Cheney be now characterized as a )!?$@
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 03, 2016 05:27 PM (UGLi1)

No difference.

Cheney already unloaded on Trump.

Fuck him.

Posted by: eman at March 03, 2016 05:30 PM (Ahbpx)

366 "I was a dumbass as a kid. Five dollar.a bag marijuana was available.
Not potent, life ending heroin. As a Mom I hope you realize the
difference. Your offspring *will* do dumb stuff. It shouldn't end their
lives forever."

I remember the ridiculous and ineffectual Ad Council "this is your brain on drugs" public service spots, with the egg frying in a pan.

If I ran the zoo, kids starting in junior high school would get occasional field trips to the county coroner's office, to get an up-close firsthand look at dead raddled overdosed junkies stretched out on cold stainless steel autopsy tables.

Stop sugarcoating this stuff for youngsters. The world isn't made out of Nerf. It's got lots of dangerous sharp edges. Make that unmistakably clear.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 03, 2016 05:30 PM (noWW6)

367 And you'll be the first one blaming others when he turns on you. He is not your weapon. You are his marks.
Posted by: pep at March 03, 2016 05:24 PM (LAe3v)



For those of us who have voted for the GOPe... this is exactly the same thing as we got in the past.

So the worse case scenario of Trump is that he treats us just like the GOPe does.

All the other possibilities are only upside.

Posted by: WWI General at March 03, 2016 05:30 PM (uURQL)

368

Fox edited the crap out of the drop to his knees statement. Like all of it. Begging.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 03, 2016 05:30 PM (qCMvj)

369 Desock.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 03, 2016 05:30 PM (uURQL)

370 >>>mega machines

not to chickenschlong Trump, but he has brought up heroin, specifically in reference to New Hampshire, many times. He just doesn't seem to encapsulate things very well.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 03, 2016 05:30 PM (xuouz)

371 insomniac sez;
Eh, sorry. Best I can manage is a bitter, contemptuous-looking sneer. I'll work on it.

a sneer , a sneer! i'm rolling out the old.
'this too shall pass.'

it will.
yeah i'm struggling with the whole though also.
but it does, i've watched it with other people. so i knw the wheel eventually turns. unless one just gives up and doesn't wait for the creaking turns.

unless i've been thrown mistakenly under the upside down horseshoe deal.

Posted by: willow at March 03, 2016 05:30 PM (L1+sh)

372

good Kimberly clarified it

slimy, tho

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 03, 2016 05:31 PM (qCMvj)

373 Negative
Waves


Sorry, Oddball just tough sometimes to stay cheerful.


52% voted for Obama twice. 49% voted against him but not for anyone and double that stayed home.


The official numbers, yeah. In truth its probably reversed and we need enough to pull that 3+ percent to get past the margin of fraud. Winning by a small margin isn't enough for Republicans.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 03, 2016 05:31 PM (39g3+)

374 Narrowcasting:

Posted by: Ace at 04:36 PM
___________________________

And yet you pimp for Cruz, the narrowest narrowcaster in the race and continually denigrate the guy who can win in a landslide in both Georgia and Massachusetts.

Posted by: tommylottoo at March 03, 2016 05:31 PM (A3a8d)

375 OK, I've got it.

For the next debate, instead of lecterns, dunking stools!

Later, ya morons.

Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2016 05:31 PM (3myMJ)

376 341
He is not your weapon. You are his marks.



Posted by: pep at March 03, 2016 05:24 PM (LAe3v)



see i've felt this way about the GOP and our un reciprocated relationship

Posted by: willow


They are not mutually exclusive. I prefer not to repeat my mistakes.

Posted by: pep at March 03, 2016 05:31 PM (LAe3v)

377 Trump is looking you in the eye and telling you the bad-tasting truth.



Too many people prefer losing like Gentlemen rather than facing the truth and taking action.



The Cruz supporters have a good point. Cruz is a genuine Conservative and a very smart guy.



The sad truth though is that is not what is needed now.



Now the USA needs a smart, ass-kicking punk that will fuck up the System and put the USA first.



Trump is that guy.









Posted by: eman at March 03, 2016 05:28 PM (Ahbpx)

Trump looks you in the eye and tells you what you want to hear (and then you ignore the 20 contradictory things he said before and after he looked you in the eye).

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 05:32 PM (OrI3J)

378 still, in practical usage, it does in fact mean you give somethign to the group you're coopting.

When the Democrats coopted the socialists, guess what? The Democrats incorporated a form of socialism into their platform.

Posted by: ace at March 03, 2016 05:22 PM (dciA+)


I think that its usage is pretty fluid. It's not even really a word, is it? I see that a lot of dictionaries disagree with spelling "coopt" or "co-opt"). I go with the hyphenated version since it's more readable.

In any event, they seem to like "commandeer" for it, which sounds about right to me. It can be somewhat symbiotic, I guess, but in my usage it's more of a forced thing and usually meant to pervert the original purposes of the thing being co-opted. But, I think it's really an ill-defined pseudo word that is still being hammered out in public discourse. You are contributing to the more harmonious usage. Okay. It just feels like a much more selfish and destructive word to me.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 03, 2016 05:32 PM (zc3Db)

379 unless i've been thrown mistakenly under the upside down horseshoe deal.

It often feels that way, doesn't it.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 03, 2016 05:32 PM (0mRoj)

380 329 If Trump wins the primaries coming up this Saturday, does the GOPe trot out Jeb Bush to denounce Trump?
Posted by: IC at March 03, 2016 05:25 PM (a0IVu)


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No. The next sap will be Ryan. Bet on it.

Posted by: Soona at March 03, 2016 05:32 PM (Fmupd)

381 If Dick Cheney gave the exact speech that Romney gave would it have made a difference or would Cheney be now characterized as a )!?$@
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 03, 2016 05:27 PM (UGLi1)

No difference.

Cheney already unloaded on Trump.

Fuck him.
Posted by: eman at March 03, 2016 05:30 PM (Ahbpx)


Cheney unloaded on trump ONLY after Trump unloaded on President Bush at that SC Debate. That is a whole lot different than what romney did

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2016 05:32 PM (mw8Dm)

382 redbanzai is quoting BNL lol awesome

I'm going home youse guys.

Thanks for the continuing GOP autopsy ace. They earned this. And what's not fair about Trump is what's not fair about the GOP itself: we voted for, and deserve, better than this.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 03, 2016 05:32 PM (xuouz)

383
I voted for Bush. Then Dole. Then McCain. Finally Romney.
No. More. Rinos.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW LLC at March 03, 2016 05:32 PM (1JqUE)

384 Trump was some funny ass shit, right up until Scalia went and got himself murdered by Obama's gay Nigerian hit squad.

Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool at March 03, 2016 05:32 PM (sqs5K)

385 Anybody hiring snarky millenials?
------------------

As if!

Posted by: andycanuck at March 03, 2016 05:33 PM (WOyz5)

386 "Horrible politics, given that 30% of the population has a college degree and is proud of that.

Posted by: ace at March 03, 2016 05:26 PM (dciA+) "

Is it really only 30%? Because it seems like every job I apply for wants you to have a Bachelor's degree even if it's just flipping burgers.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 03, 2016 05:33 PM (4/i9Y)

387 No. The next sap will be Ryan. Bet on it.
Posted by: Soona at March 03, 2016 05:32 PM (Fmupd)


He's already done it twice

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2016 05:33 PM (mw8Dm)

388 Cheney unloaded on trump ONLY after Trump unloaded on President Bush at that SC Debate. That is a whole lot different than what romney did

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If only Bush had defended his family's honor by telling Trump to shut the F up - or even decking him - when Trump suggested that Bush was responsible for 9/11.

Posted by: SH at March 03, 2016 05:33 PM (gmeXX)

389 "Palin is a member of the "Tribe"? She doesn't look shrewish to me?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2016 05:25 PM (mw8Dm) "

Nah, Palin's got what, 5 kids and none of them are doctors or lawyers? That'd never cut it as an MOT.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 03, 2016 05:34 PM (4/i9Y)

390 You have to appeal to both.





Posted by: ace at March 03, 2016 05:26 PM (dciA+

Herein lies the problem I might add.The establishment crowd goes hunting at it's private sports clubs (those who even hunt.)Me, I have a MA, PhD(c) and more learning than I should for my age, yet I still beg for hunting land from my blue collar cousin and another friend who although white collar has lots of blue collar guys coming down with him.I learned to fit in, I move reasonably seamlessly between the worlds. Sure I can't fix a pipe to save my ass, but I'm out there with the plumber carving up his deer after the sun goes down, shooting the shit and drinking.Coz and I talk guns and booze at family gatherings.Point is the establishment needs to spend more time hanging out with the people I hang out with. They might learn a thing or two.

Posted by: tsrblke (on adblocker) at March 03, 2016 05:34 PM (tM4uk)

391 Romney isn't talking to Trump voters. He doesn't even seem to be trying, for the most part. He is talking to people who already agree with him.


True, but not only that.

I think that GOP pols as a group are going to have to make a YUUUUGE decision after Mar 15.

Do they go ahead and jump aboard the Trump Train or not?

Or cruze with Cruz?

Because all of the down-ticket pols have to realize that , particularly in this cycle,-

a GOPe power play installation of Mario or Kasich or Romney-

will greatly diminish their opportunity for re-election.

If Trump or Cruz people walk, their will be no control of the Senate. Possibly no control of the House.

And No President Mario(I know they don't care about that- Preezy Hillary! will keep the graft and goodies from the CoC coming.

But, the real possibility exists that they themselves won't be re-elected-

and thus miss sharing in the gravy.

If Trump wins the upcoming Mar 5 primaries handily,

I expect to see a lot more downtick or out of work pols- defecting to him.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 03, 2016 05:34 PM (0cMkb)

392 Ace has this thing called a blog, and to my knowledge he does not have stockholders. So he's entitled to espouse any fucking attitude or position he damn well pleases. Property rights!!!

Posted by: kraken at March 03, 2016 05:34 PM (sdxPm)

393 GOPe: We want a big tent party

Conservatives: Hey cool tent you guys have here, mind if we come in

GOPe: Oh sure come on in

Cons: hey you know we have some suggestions about how to make the tent look even cooler

GOPE: fuck off rubes you will do as your're told

Conservatives: uhm OK, we'll go find another tent, see ya

GOPe: those stupid rubes, how dare they leave

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 03, 2016 05:34 PM (0LHZx)

394 I'm in the Trump - Cruz/ Cruz - Trump tent.

Posted by: eleven at March 03, 2016 05:35 PM (qUNWi)

395 Is it really only 30%? Because it seems like every
job I apply for wants you to have a Bachelor's degree even if it's just
flipping burgers.


Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean


Hell, just tell them that you might show up on time more than 3 out of the 5 days of the week and you are a shoo in.

Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool at March 03, 2016 05:35 PM (sqs5K)

396 it's not too late for me to fly coach, carry an empty piece of luggage and drop into the race

woooowheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Posted by: John Keating Five McCain at March 03, 2016 05:35 PM (Trq86)

397 And what's not fair about Trump is what's not fair about the GOP itself: we voted for, and deserve, better than this.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 03, 2016 05:32 PM (xuouz)


No, we don't deserve better than this.

We've not even gotten what we deserve yet. We better pray that we don't get what we deserve.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 03, 2016 05:35 PM (uURQL)

398
50, 000 lives a year lost to heroin. A Vietnam veterans memorial... each and every year.

This chart says 10,000

http://bit.ly/2261Qzr

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 03, 2016 05:35 PM (FkBIv)

399 For those of us who have voted for the GOPe... this is exactly the same thing as we got in the past.



So the worse case scenario of Trump is that he treats us just like the GOPe does.



All the other possibilities are only upside.

Posted by: WWI General


Cruz is a solid conservative. You're rationalizing.

Posted by: pep at March 03, 2016 05:36 PM (LAe3v)

400 If Trump wins the primaries coming up this Saturday, does the GOPe trot out Jeb Bush to denounce Trump?

Posted by: IC at March 03, 2016 05:25 PM (a0IVu)

Nope.

pappy bush is up next in one last desperate plea against us dirty filthy scandis Vulgairains.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. SSDD at March 03, 2016 05:36 PM (WVsWD)

401 Report in from the wilds of AZ.

Mail in ballot day.

Lets see - Trump or Cruz? Trump or Cruz?

Could go either way for different reasons.

Data: Ace says only Cruz can save the GOP.

Alrighty then - Trump it is!

Posted by: phaedrus at March 03, 2016 05:36 PM (waTUb)

402 "I was a dumbass as a kid. Five dollar.a bag marijuana was available.

Not potent, life ending heroin. As a Mom I hope you realize the

difference. Your offspring *will* do dumb stuff. It shouldn't end their

lives forever."

====

You weren't that much of a dumbass (or you grew up amongst the Amish) because hard drugs have been available literally everywhere in greater and greater supplies since before Nixon started the "War on Drugs"(tm).

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 05:36 PM (OrI3J)

403 I received a solicitation for cash from the RNC today beseeching me to send money to fight Hillary. It read, "I don't want to believe you have abandoned the Republican Party, but I have to ask...Have you given up the fight?" I want to grab the treasurer, shake him by the collar, and scream in his face, "NO, but now I have to fight YOU TOO!!!"

Posted by: no good deed at March 03, 2016 05:36 PM (GgxVX)

404 >>> You have to appeal to both.
....

I disagree ace.

We voluntarily (and stupidly) have allowed ourselves to be segregated into groups. You hit the nail on the head in that it mostly has to do with pride and being better than the other group.

Whatever the group, the requirement to be part of the club is to be opposed to the "other". The group will always reject e leader that does not reinforce and maintain the feeling of "otherness".

You don't win by appealing to the "others". That concept hasn't worked in decades because we no longer have any overarching idea of being one group, Americans. That concept died with Reagan. Reagan didn't invent it, it was there way before he was. He just tapped into it. Reagan defined "us" as Americans and the "others" as Communists. It was us against the world vs. half the country vs. the other half in 1980. The country won.

Posted by: Damiano at March 03, 2016 05:36 PM (XItbt)

405 Posted by: eman at March 03, 2016 05:28 PM (Ahbpx

Trump has never put anything first but Trump.
He's not stopping if he becomes president either.

Posted by: tsrblke (on adblocker) at March 03, 2016 05:36 PM (tM4uk)

406 337 The idea that you go out there and sort of imply that people with a college education aren't quite "real" americans?

Horrible politics, given that 30% of the population has a college degree and is proud of that.


Posted by: ace at March 03, 2016 05:26 PM (dciA+)

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Who has ever said that or insinuated it?

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 03, 2016 05:36 PM (0LHZx)

407 325 We don't care what Trump said last year, last month, last week.


We are going to vote for him because he is our weapon.


Posted by: eman

And you'll be the first one blaming others when he turns on you. He is not your weapon. You are his marks.

Posted by: pep at March 03, 2016 05:24 PM (LAe3v)

Maybe, but the gope has already betrayed me. I know what they are and I'm not afraid.

Posted by: eman at March 03, 2016 05:36 PM (Ahbpx)

408 Good Post.

Brings to mind - anybody figure out yet why Cruz does so good in closed primary states?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at March 03, 2016 05:37 PM (T78UI)

409 Wait until they trot out McConnell. That'll really win folks back.

Posted by: dogfish at March 03, 2016 05:37 PM (SSeCw)

410 Posted by: Tilikum KAW LLC at March 03, 2016 05:32 PM (1JqUE)

Trump is the only true Republican in name only. But I believe that acronym has long since meant something other than the words it represents.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 03, 2016 05:37 PM (UGLi1)

411 I've usually lived my life according to "One Week," redbanzai. You know, be like Harrison Ford and enjoy those boom anime babes.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 03, 2016 05:37 PM (4/i9Y)

412 yes.

Posted by: willow at March 03, 2016 05:37 PM (L1+sh)

413

Listen to O'loving Juan.
The man who stands by

Clinging to your guns and religion
Get in their faces.
They bring knife, you bring a gun.
He acted stupidly (by doing his job)...

Dana Perino was saying we don't want a potus that talks like that, but we've had one for 8 years, and he is beloved.

We tried to run a "nice" man, Romney. Who did great work, and charity, and every nice thing you can think of. But, we got a soul-less evil bastard instead.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 03, 2016 05:37 PM (qCMvj)

414 Posted by: tsrblke (on adblocker) at March 03, 2016 05:34 PM (tM4uk)

you just made Podhoertz, Murphy et al vomit on themselves.

Posted by: Nora at March 03, 2016 05:37 PM (Trq86)

415 "He ran as Candidate Platitude. No specifics except closing Gitmo. His elevator pitch was 'I'm black.'"

I, contrariwise, recall Obama having proffered a long list of policy specifics in 2008 beyond just closing Gitmo. The problem was that most of it was facially ridiculous.

For instance: promising (a) a long list of new liberal wish-list line-item spending, (b) a middle-class tax cut, and (c) cutting the deficit in half by the end of his first term. Ummmmmmmmmmmmm how's that gonna work again?

But the American electorate disengaged from generally accepted worldly realities a couple of generations ago, so these sorts of preposterous, incoherent, self-contradictory campaign statements by Obama were accepted by them with full faith and credit.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 03, 2016 05:38 PM (noWW6)

416 I'd agree with the general premise here, except when somebody like Ben Sasse comes out and does this, everybody just labels him "establishment."

Find somebody else to do this and within ten minutes you'll see critics spouting off on how the guy sold out long ago and everyone saw this coming.

Posted by: AD at March 03, 2016 05:38 PM (+gZPV)

417 "Everybody vote for the old broad."
GOP

Posted by: steevy at March 03, 2016 05:38 PM (B48dK)

418 341 He is not your weapon. You are his marks.

Posted by: pep at March 03, 2016 05:24 PM (LAe3v)

see i've felt this way about the GOP and our un reciprocated relationship
_____________________________________

I always hate it when people post stuff and then type "THIS!" I really do. That's gotta stop. But . . .

^^^^^^THIS!

I mean, fucking seriously, I'm not the GOP's mark? I'm not Marco Rubio's mark?

All this talk about how Trump is a "con artist" from a party whose electoral success--to the extent it even exists--is based on con artistry is too much. Rubio is going to be the biggest liar and flip-flopper on stage tonight.

Honestly, enough already. Don't tell me I can't trust Don Trump if you're telling me I can totes trust Marco Rubio.

Posted by: Mr. Estrada at March 03, 2016 05:38 PM (Kx4TN)

419 The GOPe created Trump. Balllless Boehner, McCuckold McConnell and RINO Ryan passed everything Obama put up. Pelosi and Reid couldnt have done a better job of getting Obama;s agenda through. McCuckcold will cave on SCOTUS as well.

Posted by: reitred military at March 03, 2016 05:38 PM (ij+wS)

420
410 Posted by: eman at March 03, 2016 05:28 PM (Ahbpx

Trump has never put anything first but Trump.
He's not stopping if he becomes president either.

Posted by: tsrblke (on adblocker) at March 03, 2016 05:36 PM (tM4uk)

A prosperous and powerfu and well-adjusted USA serves me just as well as it serves Trump.

Posted by: eman at March 03, 2016 05:38 PM (Ahbpx)

421 *waves to willow*

Posted by: alexthechick - Love and despair bitches at March 03, 2016 05:38 PM (IrByp)

422 Maybe, but the gope has already betrayed me. I know what they are and I'm not afraid.

Posted by: eman


Why is this such a hard concept for so many to grasp? GOPe, "Trump may mistreat so let us certainly mistreat you."

Posted by: dogfish at March 03, 2016 05:38 PM (SSeCw)

423 not to chickenschlong Trump, but he has brought up
heroin, specifically in reference to New Hampshire, many times. He just
doesn't seem to encapsulate things very well.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at March 03, 2016 05:30 PM


One of my hopes for Trump is that he will do in government what he did in business: no interminable "discussion" of important issues, just a reasonably quick "this is the problem...we'll fix it now."

Mutt Rombly is a facile talker. So is Rafael Cruz. I don't get the feeling from either of them -- never mind Dondi -- that they can make the transition from their preferred endless talk to action.

Posted by: MrScribbler at March 03, 2016 05:38 PM (D+xyy)

424 Cruz is a solid conservative. You're rationalizing.
Posted by: pep at March 03, 2016 05:36 PM (LAe3v)



Rationalizing what? My hatred for the GOPe?

The one that hasn't decreased spending for any of the years they held power? The one that funded PP?

If you're going to speculate on my internal thought process, you're going to have to be extremely accurate to retain any shred of credibility.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 03, 2016 05:39 PM (uURQL)

425 "Hell, just tell them that you might show up on time more than 3 out of the 5 days of the week and you are a shoo in.

Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool at March 03, 2016 05:35 PM (sqs5K) "

Ooh, 3 out of 5? That's harsh, man. I kinda like sleeping in.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 03, 2016 05:39 PM (4/i9Y)

426 New Mexico Governor Suzanna Martinez has endorsed Rubio.

Guess she's not worried about being re-elected.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 03, 2016 05:39 PM (YEelc)

427 I remember the ridiculous and ineffectual Ad
Council "this is your brain on drugs" public service spots, with the egg
frying in a pan.

If I ran the zoo, kids starting in junior high
school would get occasional field trips to the county coroner's office,
to get an up-close firsthand look at dead raddled overdosed junkies
stretched out on cold stainless steel autopsy tables.

Stop
sugarcoating this stuff for youngsters. The world isn't made out of
Nerf. It's got lots of dangerous sharp edges. Make that unmistakably
clear.




Posted by: torquewrench at March 03, 2016 05:30 PM (noWW6)

You are correct.

Although I had to shake my head at the "Scared Straight" programs run by the Richmond City, VA school system. They would only let the "good" kids (who didn't need it) go on those trips because the "bad" kids assaulted each other and vandalized the buses.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 05:39 PM (OrI3J)

428 I have a college degree and a master's degree, both from fancy schools. I live in a blue state, I eat hippie food and have no idea how to change the oil in my car. On paper I should be the biggest Bernie supporter out there. But I'm a Trump guy.

Stereotypes are fun though.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 03, 2016 05:39 PM (0LHZx)

429 You know who is the worst of the lot...Jen Rubin!!!! Absolute worst in terms of saying Rubio or it all burns to the ground!

Posted by: Immigrant in CA at March 03, 2016 05:40 PM (89P1m)

430 Honestly, enough already. Don't tell me I can't trust Don Trump if you're telling me I can totes trust Marco Rubio.

Posted by: Mr. Estrada


Apparently you're new here.

Posted by: pep at March 03, 2016 05:40 PM (LAe3v)

431 The pain Trump is causing the GOP is about to give me one of those 4 hour boners.

Posted by: Weasel at March 03, 2016 05:41 PM (e3bId)

432
If only Bush had defended his family's honor
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Dumb shiite W. was unable to do anything coherent to defend (or justify) himself for 5 years (including during his own re-election campaign). Why the hell would anyone else be able to defend his honor.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 03, 2016 05:41 PM (NUqwG)

433 432 New Mexico Governor Suzanna Martinez has endorsed Rubio.

Guess she's not worried about being re-elected.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 03, 2016 05:39 PM (YEelc)

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She's a Republican in a state that Obama won by 15%, twice. I doubt endorsing Rubio will hurt her chances.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 03, 2016 05:41 PM (0LHZx)

434 WTH is this ? (UmCLB)

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 03, 2016 05:41 PM (8PbKi)

435 ooooh alex, alex, alex, keeses and more keeses!

Posted by: willow at March 03, 2016 05:41 PM (L1+sh)

436 Had a conversation with my aunt today. She's a Clinton Democrat and said she would vote for Trump. She hates Hillary, but would vote for Bill again in a hot second.

It also became clear that while she has reservations about Trump, she's not voting for him so much as against the other candidates. How do you fix that? I don't think you can, and I think a lot of non-white supremacist types are of the opinion that "I know those people will blow goats, but Trump might not. Ergo, vote for Trump."

This is why he's teflon. It's not actually about him.

Posted by: marilyn at March 03, 2016 05:41 PM (F/rO/)

437 what he said (instead of THIS)

Posted by: Mr. Estrada at March 03, 2016 05:38 PM (Kx4TN)

Posted by: Nora at March 03, 2016 05:41 PM (Trq86)

438 One of my hopes for Trump is that he will do in
government what he did in business: no interminable "discussion" of
important issues, just a reasonably quick "this is the problem...we'll
fix it now."

Mutt Rombly is a facile talker. So is Rafael Cruz. I
don't get the feeling from either of them -- never mind Dondi -- that
they can make the transition from their preferred endless talk to
action.


Posted by: MrScribbler at March 03, 2016 05:38 PM (D+xyy)

That is not how a Republic with checks and balances runs. If you want to live under a dictatorship, the US now allows travel to Cuba.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 05:41 PM (OrI3J)

439 "You weren't that much of a dumbass (or you grew up amongst the Amish) because hard drugs have been available literally everywhere in greater and greater supplies since before Nixon started the "War on Drugs"(tm).

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 05:36 PM (OrI3J) "

But it's mostly about access/convenience, right? The only drugs I ever did were things that were already in the house (prescriptions), and stuff you'd get passed at parties (weed). I'm sure there was harder stuff out there if I cared to go find it, but it wasn't the easiest to get. Of course, maybe you get offered some coke at a party and that starts you down the road to harder and harder stuff, but it seems like the typical experience is getting offered softer drugs first.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 03, 2016 05:41 PM (4/i9Y)

440 Don't tell me I can't trust Don Trump if you're telling me I can totes trust Marco Rubio.

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In fairness, I don't think many on this blog are saying that.

Posted by: SH at March 03, 2016 05:42 PM (gmeXX)

441 Brings to mind - anybody figure out yet why Cruz does so good in closed primary states?

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I would guess that it is because he appeals to the GOP base. That same base that the GOPe hates.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 03, 2016 05:42 PM (Qvgg/)

442 >> One of my hopes for Trump is that he will do in government what he did
in business: ...


Declare bankruptcy and make the creditors eat it!!!

Yes, I can get behind that platform. fuck all those people that trusted the "full faith and credit" of the slime inside the beltway. Zero out the greenback and start over with gold.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at March 03, 2016 05:42 PM (LWu6U)

443 ...so these sorts of preposterous, incoherent,
self-contradictory campaign statements by Obama were accepted by them
with full faith and credit.


Posted by: torquewrench at March 03, 2016 05:38 PM


Plus, he had that Black Thing going for him.

Anyone who questioned his absurd yammerings -- or his hidden life story and associates -- was straight-up racist, and therefore berated and, wherever possible, shunned.

Posted by: MrScribbler at March 03, 2016 05:42 PM (D+xyy)

444 Why is this such a hard concept for so many to grasp? GOPe, "Trump may mistreat so let us certainly mistreat you."

Rephrased: that guy screwed me in the cornhole, so anybody should be able to.

Posted by: pep at March 03, 2016 05:42 PM (LAe3v)

445 Evening all. Looks like I missed some great content this afternoon (as usual). And to top it off, there's a sad ad about abused animals at the top of the thread.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 03, 2016 05:42 PM (FsuaD)

446 That is not how a Republic with checks and balances runs. If you want to live under a dictatorship, the US now allows travel to Cuba.

*points at Obama*

This isn't a Republic.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 03, 2016 05:42 PM (uURQL)

447 "Although I had to shake my head at the 'Scared Straight' programs run by
the Richmond City, VA school system. They would only let the 'good' kids (who didn't need it) go on those trips because the 'bad' kids
assaulted each other and vandalized the buses."

Now that right there... that is priceless.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 03, 2016 05:43 PM (noWW6)

448 Did Romney ever call Obama a cheat and a fraud? No, he was too busy being polite, losing the election and consigning us to another 4 year prison sentence under this Marxist. Romney's cowardice and stupidity are why he's desperately attacking Trump now and not running for reelection.

Trump 2016

Posted by: Crrr6 (hotair refugee) at March 03, 2016 05:43 PM (r23qW)

449 Never done an illegal drug in my life. Never really appealed to me. Admittedly I'd probably try smoking weed if it were legal. God knows I could stand to loosen up.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 03, 2016 05:43 PM (0mRoj)

450 The notion that someone on their knees is inappropriate is not very inclusive nor diverse. What's wrong with Willard being suggestively submissive to Donald? The GOPe and loudmouths like Juan Williams should be joyously supportive of the big tent approach.

Posted by: Fritz at March 03, 2016 05:43 PM (37OkS)

451 If you love comedy, you'll like the new Ghostbusters.
Posted by: naturalfake at March 03, 2016 05:16 PM (0cMkb)

I think you misspelled "mildly tolerate"

Posted by: LizLem at March 03, 2016 05:43 PM (hvf9s)

452 If you want to live under a dictatorship, the US now allows travel to Cuba.


Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 05:41 PM


The US government allows Cubans to come here, too.

See: Cruz, Rafael (and Cruz, Rafael).

Posted by: MrScribbler at March 03, 2016 05:43 PM (D+xyy)

453 Interesting. The Five has formed a circular firing squad this afternoon.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 03, 2016 05:43 PM (FsuaD)

454 How will Cruz hold up up when the media finally does dig up something questionable from his path?

Fold like a cheap chair or come out swinging?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. SSDD at March 03, 2016 05:44 PM (WVsWD)

455 Trump has no allies in DC. If he makes it to the WH he lives and dies by his popularity.
Why would he risk that by turning on his voters?

Posted by: votermom at March 03, 2016 05:44 PM (cbfNE)

456 I'll listen to the GOP when they start to beg --BEG!-- for Cruz.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at March 03, 2016 05:44 PM (oVJmc)

457 Let's be clear: I stipulate that the GOPe has treated us badly; very, very badly. In what way is that a reason to suspend your cognitive faculties and vote for someone who's likely to do exactly the same thing, especially when you have a strong, solid alternative in Cruz?

Posted by: pep at March 03, 2016 05:44 PM (LAe3v)

458

Ilsa, She-Wolf of the SS has a Nazi Box.

Posted by: Barney Rubio, Purpleish at March 03, 2016 05:44 PM (qul7b)

459 That is not how a Republic with checks and balances runs. If you want to live under a dictatorship, the US now allows travel to Cuba.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 05:41 PM (OrI3J)

A Republic?

Long gone, pal.

Posted by: eman at March 03, 2016 05:44 PM (Ahbpx)

460 Interesting. The Five has formed a circular firing squad this afternoon.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 03, 2016 05:43 PM (FsuaD)


Wait till October, they will be using real bullets..we all might

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2016 05:44 PM (mw8Dm)

461 "WTH is this ? (UmCLB)

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 03, 2016 05:41 PM (8PbKi) "

MUMR parody? At least I don't think that's the actual MUMR's hash.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 03, 2016 05:45 PM (4/i9Y)

462 They welcomed Trump into their ranks -- fresh off the Clinton teat.
See how sensible and moderate it makes Jeb look, they said.
Ooopsie.
Well see how sensible and conservative he makes Rubio look, they said.
Ooopsie.
Well, see how sensible and moderate Cruz makes Trump look, then!
The Powers that be are only powerful in Suckage.

Posted by: starboardhelm at March 03, 2016 05:45 PM (hOtJL)

463 456 Did Romney ever call Obama a cheat and a fraud? No, he was too busy being polite, losing the election and consigning us to another 4 year prison sentence under this Marxist. Romney's cowardice and stupidity are why he's desperately attacking Trump now and not running for reelection.

Posted by: Crrr6 (hotair refugee) at March 03, 2016 05:43 PM (r23qW)

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egg-sactly. Mittens had no problem going after Newt with the intensity of a 1000 burning suns. But when it came to Obama, the white glove treatment. Fuck him and his bullshit.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 03, 2016 05:45 PM (0LHZx)

464 path = past

But the past is is where you path was.

Fake but accurate.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. SSDD at March 03, 2016 05:45 PM (WVsWD)

465 Trump looks you in the eye and tells you what you
want to hear (and then you ignore the 20 contradictory things he said
before and after he looked you in the eye).


Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 05:32 PM (OrI3J)


so, you got any new material ????

Posted by: zombie Napoleon, pre Vienna at March 03, 2016 05:45 PM (/542q)

466 Brings to mind - anybody figure out yet why Cruz does so good in closed primary states?Posted by: Burnt Toast


Absolutely. And it's not good news for Hillary. The democrats are devastated with their choices. So there is some component that likes Trump and some component that likes a whiter version of 0bama. They crossover and vote. Cruz is not on their list.

It partially explains why (D) voters are down by around 25% while 'republican' voters are up by the same margin.

Or, I could be completely, utterly wrong.

Posted by: mega machines at March 03, 2016 05:45 PM (fbovC)

467 *points at Obama*



This isn't a Republic.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 03, 2016 05:42 PM (uURQL)


Obama is a nightmare that we shouldn't be looking to recreate.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 05:45 PM (OrI3J)

468 as i've stated before, i don't have Trumps unknowing ideology, because i Don't know what He really is.

bit i do know what the GOP has done the last 7 + years.

and this is my revenge sex .
They can learn or not, that isn't on me, but Them.

If our vote gets them in office and they do an immediate left turn. OR faccilitate the Left screws on Me. That's On Them!

Posted by: willow at March 03, 2016 05:45 PM (L1+sh)

469 Trump will be President.

Posted by: Hollywood Medium-- at March 03, 2016 05:46 PM (mcm0N)

470 >>> Interesting. The Five has formed a circular firing squad this afternoon.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 03, 2016 05:43 PM (FsuaD)

Slapfight! How are the battle lines being drawn up?

Posted by: LizLem at March 03, 2016 05:46 PM (hvf9s)

471 463 Trump has no allies in DC. If he makes it to the WH he lives and dies by his popularity.
Why would he risk that by turning on his voters?
Posted by: votermom at March 03, 2016 05:44 PM (cbfNE)


I frequently doubt whether he looks beyond a first term.
I'll make the call when he selects a VP.

Posted by: jwb7605 at March 03, 2016 05:46 PM (DofIg)

472 GO AHEAD GUESS
Posted by: ANTI TRUMP PSYCHO
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All of them... after we cut off all of their feet!?

Posted by: andycanuck at March 03, 2016 05:46 PM (WOyz5)

473 I don't know but if you cntrl + F it on the page and read it one after another it does sound like some of the Rubiots on twitter.

442 WTH is this ? (UmCLB)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 03, 2016 05:41 PM (8PbKi)

Posted by: Nora at March 03, 2016 05:46 PM (Trq86)

474 468
Interesting. The Five has formed a circular firing squad this afternoon.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 03, 2016 05:43 PM (FsuaD)





Wait till October, they will be using real bullets..we all might

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2016 05:44 PM (mw8Dm)


That would make for some damned good TV. Especially if Geraldo's on. We all know how he hates Scary Guns. I'd love to see Dana shoot him in both kneecaps.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 03, 2016 05:46 PM (FsuaD)

475 ....of Gorelickrstan.

Posted by: Hollywood Medium-- at March 03, 2016 05:46 PM (mcm0N)

476 What is sad is that the GOPe is doing their best to lose an even easier election than last time. It is going to take some effort to be even worse than four years ago, but they are doing all they can.

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Because, as I'm sure we're all well too aware, they truly would rather have Killary in the WH with her high-fashion Mao suits, than they would a Trump or {shudders} Cruz presidency. They really would. A serious red flag. That's "something has really gone off the rails with the party" stuff right there.

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at March 03, 2016 05:46 PM (pVkEV)

477 465 Let's be clear: I stipulate that the GOPe has treated us badly; very, very badly. In what way is that a reason to suspend your cognitive faculties and vote for someone who's likely to do exactly the same thing, especially when you have a strong, solid alternative in Cruz?
Posted by: pep at March 03, 2016 05:44 PM (LAe3v)

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I don't particularly like Cruz. It's the Jesus-y aspect of him. I understand in a GOP primary you have to go a little over there, but every time I hear him talk it seems like religion is in the top 3 areas of concern for him. And I don't like that at all.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 03, 2016 05:46 PM (0LHZx)

478 so, you got any new material ????


Posted by: zombie Napoleon, pre Vienna at March 03, 2016 05:45 PM (/542q)

No need... the truth is timeless.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 05:47 PM (OrI3J)

479 Mitt went the whole fucking summer not running ads against Obama while Obama was using those ads to define him. Fucking coward. Fuck him. Ain't nobody smittens for Mittens.

Posted by: Mr. Estrada at March 03, 2016 05:47 PM (Kx4TN)

480 448
Don't tell me I can't trust Don Trump if you're telling me I can totes trust Marco Rubio.



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In fairness, I don't think many on this blog are saying that.

Posted by: SH


FIFY

Posted by: pep at March 03, 2016 05:47 PM (LAe3v)

481 pep, i do agree about Cruz. I want Him to be the guy. but if not, than my other Best solution is this Trump shlub

Posted by: willow at March 03, 2016 05:47 PM (L1+sh)

482

Cruz got zero coverage today.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 03, 2016 05:47 PM (qCMvj)

483 Trump will be President.

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I'd give him the best individual odds, though I would still bet the field for now.

Posted by: SH at March 03, 2016 05:47 PM (gmeXX)

484 Let's be clear: I stipulate that the GOPe has treated us badly; very, very badly. In what way is that a reason to suspend your cognitive faculties and vote for someone who's likely to do exactly the same thing, especially when you have a strong, solid alternative in Cruz?
Posted by: pep at March 03, 2016 05:44 PM (LAe3v)


He hasn't earned my vote, you moronic liar.

Lie #1: "You are his marks"
Lie #2: "You're rationalizing"

If you want to persuade people to vote for Cruz, you're doing a terrible job at it.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 03, 2016 05:47 PM (uURQL)

485 " Never done an illegal drug in my life. Never really appealed to me. Admittedly I'd probably try smoking weed if it were legal. God knows I could stand to loosen up.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 03, 2016 05:43 PM (0mRoj) "

What about legal drugs? Never went to the dentist and a week later had a Vicodin weekend?

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 03, 2016 05:47 PM (4/i9Y)

486 To all the unemployed young people on here......The Baltimore City Police Department is hiring....

Think about it

Posted by: Jubal Anderson Early at March 03, 2016 05:47 PM (RdP/w)

487 1980: We might agree or disagree on a lot of things as Americans, but as Americans, we can all agree that we oppose Communists. Vote for America! The rest of the world can be neutral or join us but it will not get in our way.

2008: Look at how we've alienated ourselves from the rest of the world! We are not exceptional! You didn't build that! You're a racist, a homophobe, and a mysoginist! Vote with the rest of the world so you won't be a racist, islamophobe, mysoginist and reject the white men who want to put you all back in chains!

There is nothing inclusive about these things. These ideas won by identifying and isolating the "others" as evil incarnate who will eat your children.

Posted by: Damiano at March 03, 2016 05:48 PM (XItbt)

488
465 Let's be clear: I stipulate that the GOPe has treated us badly; very, very badly. In what way is that a reason to suspend your cognitive faculties and vote for someone who's likely to do exactly the same thing, especially when you have a strong, solid alternative in Cruz?
Posted by: pep at March 03, 2016 05:44 PM (LAe3v)

Why Trump over Cruz?

It is so because Cruz is not enough. His medicine is too weak to do enough good.

He is very unlikely to betray the base, but that is not enough.
It is way too late for a Cruz-style approach.

Posted by: eman at March 03, 2016 05:48 PM (Ahbpx)

489 And to top it off, there's a sad ad about abused animals at the top of the thread.Posted by: Jane D'oh


Trumps hairpiece has an ad?

Posted by: mega machines at March 03, 2016 05:48 PM (fbovC)

490 Obama literally accused Romney of killing a woman. And he did nothing to fight back. But today he's Mr. Tough Guy against Trump.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 03, 2016 05:48 PM (0LHZx)

491 463- Votermom. Not in any way trying to pick a fight, but Trump's problem when he goes to Washington - isn't that Cruz's problem as well?

Posted by: kraken at March 03, 2016 05:48 PM (sdxPm)

492 so i want a Real answer, Can Cruz win?

Posted by: willow at March 03, 2016 05:48 PM (L1+sh)

493 The ONLY way Trump can be stopped now is that everybody gets behind Cruz. The establishment POS will never do it. HAH, their own greed defeats them. F U, GOP

Posted by: Lionttooth at March 03, 2016 05:49 PM (pypol)

494 Trump looks you in the eye and tells you what you
want to hear (and then you ignore the 20 contradictory things he said
before and after he looked you in the eye).


Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 05:32 PM (OrI3J)


so, you got any new material ????
Posted by: zombie Napoleon, pre Vienna at March 03, 2016 05:45 PM (/542q)


The material doesn't need to be any newer than the arguments it's criticizing.

Posted by: AD at March 03, 2016 05:49 PM (+gZPV)

495 Romney just laid bare the establishment's splitter stratagem by advocating voting for Cruz and Rubio in order to keep Trump from the required delegates.

This implicates Cruz as a participant (willing or unwitting) of a strategy that includes breaking convention rules to thwart public consensus.

http://tinyurl.com/jcyg7ac

Very interested in what Cruz might have to say about this, though something tells me it will be establishmentarian.

Posted by: Rick Tingles at March 03, 2016 05:49 PM (nTszl)

496 365 Cruz is probably calling Jeb right now begging him, "Make a really nasty speech about me, please! I'm dying over here."
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Highly doubtful since he's just snapped up a bunch of his finance people and has hired a former GHW Bush guy as a fiscal advisor.

The dam is breaking, I think. If Cruz manages to make nice with the Bush family, it's Hasta la vista, baby. He'll have a fully functional political Death Star that can defeat Trump.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at March 03, 2016 05:49 PM (t5zYU)

497 No difference.



Cheney already unloaded on Trump.



Fuck him.

Posted by: eman at March 03, 2016 05:30 PM (Ahbpx)

See, Ace? This is your answer right here. Your premise is invalid. There ARE legitimate people with good records, good credentials, and were otherwise in good standing among the rank-and-file before Trump - such as Sasse, Cheney, Sowell, etc. - , who, when they stood up to criticize Trump, are immediately denounced falsely as "Establishment RINO Sellouts" for having the temerity to criticize The Donald.
Trump is at this point a cult leader who is beyond even reasonable criticism. When the cultists are *not willing to listen*, you can't hardly blame the messenger for trying.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at March 03, 2016 05:49 PM (lVU49)

498 "Plus, he had that Black Thing going for him."

Stiff, unhip older white guy makes a huge mess of things.

Out of nowhere comes a smooth, hip young black guy with a snappy line of patter, who fixes all of the problems the old honkey had caused, making it look easy. A _deus ex melanin_ resolution.

Roll credits.

Yeah, it's not as though THAT hasn't been one of Hollyweird's repetitively aired stock plots, trotted out a couple of times every year, for the last quarter century before Obama emerged.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 03, 2016 05:49 PM (noWW6)

499
My sources say market still hot, where you headed?

Posted by: Meremortal at March 03, 2016 05:14 PM (3myMJ)
Maybe AZ, maybe UT.
CO is kaput, IMO.

Posted by: Joe Mama at March 03, 2016 05:49 PM (NQmg1)

500 He is not your weapon. You are his marks

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So sick of this broad brush nonsense that if you don't repudiate Trump you're an idiot. I want Cruz at this point, but I'll settle for Trump, knowing full well what he is. With Trump I may get 25% of what I want. With Hillary I'll get nothing of what I want and most likely a bunch of shit I don't want.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 03, 2016 05:49 PM (kTF2Z)

501
Slapfight! How are the battle lines being drawn up?

Posted by: LizLem at March 03, 2016 05:46 PM (hvf9s)


Greg is NOT on Team Trump, and Eric and Jedediah Bila are full-on Trumpsters. Juan is an idiot, and Dana is holding her cards. Kimberly is in Detroit tonight, and I'm not sure about her.



Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 03, 2016 05:49 PM (FsuaD)

502 502 so i want a Real answer, Can Cruz win?
Posted by: willow at March 03, 2016 05:48 PM (L1+sh)

____

Primary: maybe

General: less than zero chance

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 03, 2016 05:49 PM (0LHZx)

503 and this is my revenge sex .

Posted by: willow



*faps*

Posted by: Bandersnatch at March 03, 2016 05:49 PM (1xUj/)

504 No need... the truth is timeless.


Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 05:47 PM (OrI3J)


and your point of view is "the truth" ? Why, goodness, that means that anyone who disagrees is.........the Untruth. Interesting

Posted by: zombie Napoleon, pre Vienna at March 03, 2016 05:50 PM (/542q)

505 Saying this on the day that Willard resurrects from his loser hole>>>

Is he the 12th Imam?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 03, 2016 05:50 PM (XtAzU)

506 LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE GOP!

YOU'VE UPSET WILLOW!

I HOPE YOU'RE PROUD OF YOURSELVES!

Posted by: alexthechick - Love and despair bitches at March 03, 2016 05:50 PM (IrByp)

507 ooooh alex, alex, alex, keeses and more keeses!

Will there be more smishing?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 03, 2016 05:50 PM (39g3+)

508 >>502 so i want a Real answer, Can Cruz win?

Yes.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at March 03, 2016 05:50 PM (t5zYU)

509 Obama is a nightmare that we shouldn't be looking to recreate.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 05:45 PM (OrI3J)



If you think we can vote in a "conservative" and pretend we're in a Republic; treating the Democrats as if they are the loyal opposition who haven't shredded the Constitution over the past years, you are part of the problem.

You're helping them play the ratchet game - Democrats ignore the rules to push the country Leftward; Republicans play by the rules to push the country Leftward.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 03, 2016 05:50 PM (uURQL)

510 No one is saying that you can trust any politicians. They're all self-interested liars. But that doesn't mean we should elect the biggest egomaniac we can find just for shits and giggles.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 03, 2016 05:50 PM (4/i9Y)

511 Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 03, 2016 05:47 PM (uURQL)

You're doing a bang up job for Trump.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 03, 2016 05:50 PM (UGLi1)

512 If you want to persuade people to vote for Cruz, you're doing a terrible job at it.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely


If I thought you were capably of persuasion, I might care.

Posted by: pep at March 03, 2016 05:50 PM (LAe3v)

513 If we don't get Cruz for President, I want to have a new party. I won't join the Democrats and I'm tired of belonging to the Stupid Party.

Posted by: Abby Normal at March 03, 2016 05:50 PM (y0rni)

514 Bearingarms editor has a whole 3 part write up supporting Cruz as the best hope the 2nd A has.

Posted by: Skip at March 03, 2016 05:50 PM (fizMZ)

515 "so, you got any new material ????"

Of course not. Same prime material. But we offer our Fine Quality Lace Wigs in multiple shades and colors.

Posted by: Fine Quality Lace Wigs at March 03, 2016 05:51 PM (1CroS)

516 Ghost-bustiers

Posted by: Now THAT I would watch at March 03, 2016 05:51 PM (NeFrd)

517 Highly doubtful since he's just snapped up a bunch of his finance people and has hired a former GHW Bush guy as a fiscal advisor.

The dam is breaking, I think. If Cruz manages to make nice with the Bush family, it's Hasta la vista, baby. He'll have a fully functional political Death Star that can defeat Trump.

***

And he's had quite a bit more exposure on FNC this past week. Better, it hasn't been combative.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 03, 2016 05:51 PM (8PbKi)

518 I don't particularly like Cruz. It's the Jesus-y
aspect of him. I understand in a GOP primary you have to go a little
over there, but every time I hear him talk it seems like religion is in
the top 3 areas of concern for him. And I don't like that at all.



Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 03, 2016 05:46 PM (0LHZx)

I would advise you get over your icky feelz about religion.


Cruz takes his faith seriously. If you know his beliefs, that gives you a blueprint for his behavior that you can depend on. That blueprint does not include theocracy. It does include truthfulness, respect for life and respect for the rights that God gave us all.

That is a very good thing.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 05:51 PM (OrI3J)

519 Trump is at this point a cult leader who is beyond
even reasonable criticism. When the cultists are *not willing to
listen*, you can't hardly blame the messenger for trying.


Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at March 03, 2016 05:49 PM (lVU49)


so, do YOU have any new material??

Posted by: zombie Napoleon, pre Vienna at March 03, 2016 05:51 PM (/542q)

520 Yeah, it's not as though THAT hasn't been one of
Hollyweird's repetitively aired stock plots, trotted out a couple of
times every year, for the last quarter century before Obama emerged. Posted by: torquewrench at March 03, 2016 05:49 PM


On the whole, I would have preferred giving Eddie Murphy a shot at it first.

Or one of the Wayans Bros.

Posted by: MrScribbler at March 03, 2016 05:51 PM (D+xyy)

521 Bandersnatch, i'm sure make- up sex could follow. but I'm not holding my breath!

Posted by: willow at March 03, 2016 05:51 PM (L1+sh)

522 495 " Never done an illegal drug in my life. Never really appealed to me. Admittedly I'd probably try smoking weed if it were legal. God knows I could stand to loosen up.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 03, 2016 05:43 PM (0mRoj) "

What about legal drugs? Never went to the dentist and a week later had a Vicodin weekend?
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at March 03, 2016 05:47 PM (4/i9Y)

I don't like prescription narcotics. I got a script for them after getting my wisdom teeth out, didnt take them. Same for knee surgery. I just don't like how they make me feel, so if I can manage pain without them, I do.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 03, 2016 05:51 PM (0mRoj)

523 >>502 so i want a Real answer, Can Cruz win?

Yes.

***

Seconded

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 03, 2016 05:51 PM (8PbKi)

524 RomneyCruzRubioKasich

"In a speech Thursday at the University of Utah, he urged voters to support the candidate most likely to prevent Trump from racking up delegates in their states -- saying he'd back Florida Sen. Marco Rubio if he were voting in the Sunshine State, Gov. John Kasich if he were voting in Ohio, or Texas Sen. Ted Cruz in the states where he polls as Trump's strongest foe."

http://tinyurl.com/jcyg7ac

Posted by: Rick Tingles at March 03, 2016 05:52 PM (nTszl)

525 501 463- Votermom. Not in any way trying to pick a fight, but Trump's problem when he goes to Washington - isn't that Cruz's problem as well?
Posted by: kraken at March 03, 2016 05:48 PM (sdxPm)

--

Cruz needs donor money. From a structural point of view that makes him more corruptible than Trump.

Posted by: votermom at March 03, 2016 05:52 PM (cbfNE)

526 Do the anti-Trumo people realize they sound exactly like the left when speaking about conservatives?

Substitute the word Trump for conservatism and every one of your arguments could be used verbatim on MSNBC tonight.

For example:

MSNBC: Conservatives are simply too stupid to understand that voting Republican hurts them

Anti-Trump 'bots: Trumpkins are simply too stupid to understand that voting Trump hurts them

And so forth....

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 03, 2016 05:52 PM (0LHZx)

527 If I thought you were capably of persuasion, I might care.
Posted by: pep at March 03, 2016 05:50 PM (LAe3v)


You cared enough to lie for him.

But not enough to own your lies and build trust.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 03, 2016 05:52 PM (uURQL)

528 I went shoe shopping this afternoon!

*does happy dance*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 03, 2016 05:52 PM (FsuaD)

529 502 so i want a Real answer, Can Cruz win?

Posted by: willow at March 03, 2016 05:48 PM (L1+sh)

Of course not. The GOP has said a thousand times: their new goal is a convention fight. It's the only practical way they can keep Trump from the Presidency. Cruz can't win even if it's a Trump-Cruz fight, and everyone is certain of it. If only he could duplicate the results he had in his home state where he's backed by the establishment.

Ah well. Power sharing. Trump's got Christie and Sessions in his coalition. What pair would you say defines Cruz's broad coalition?

Posted by: trev006 at March 03, 2016 05:52 PM (MEHba)

530

Just vote for the best tits.

Posted by: Amish Dud Loves Redbuttsigh at March 03, 2016 05:52 PM (qul7b)

531 Cruz makes a deal with Trump.....

Posted by: Hollywood Medium-- at March 03, 2016 05:52 PM (mcm0N)

532 so i want a Real answer, Can Cruz win?

I don't think anyone will beat Hillary.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 03, 2016 05:52 PM (39g3+)

533 A _deus ex melanin_ resolution.

I like it.

Posted by: pep at March 03, 2016 05:52 PM (LAe3v)

534 I dunno, i could remember Bush kinda doing the Jesus thing, so i was afraid of him on the first eletion
by the second election I knew He wasn't a freak about it.
so i voted for him .

and i have yet to see christian presidents threatening me in my lifetime.

Posted by: willow at March 03, 2016 05:53 PM (L1+sh)

535 You're right - at this point there is nothing Romney can do to convince people who like Trump to abandon him because he has no credibility with those voters.

The only thing Romney CAN do is convince the people he DOES have influence over to make a tactical vote for Cruz. If he did that he would accomplish the same thing he says he's trying to do. The fact he isn't doing this says to me he isn't really serious about this. And I fear that the establishment won't realize that Cruz is the only one who can unite the party to stop Trump until too many delegates have been allocated for Cruz to credibly stop him.

Posted by: Irving Washington at March 03, 2016 05:53 PM (mqD1o)

536 Moo Moo is pro abortion and anti religion. And he likes to file fraudulent papers.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 03, 2016 05:53 PM (UGLi1)

537 I would advise you get over your icky feelz about religion.


Cruz takes his faith seriously. If you know his beliefs, that gives you a blueprint for his behavior that you can depend on. That blueprint does not include theocracy. It does include truthfulness, respect for life and respect for the rights that God gave us all.

That is a very good thing.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 05:51 PM (OrI3J)

_____

Sorry I won't get over my feelings. I don't want someone leading the country based on WWJD. That is why as much as I would like to support Cruz, I can't.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 03, 2016 05:53 PM (0LHZx)

538 Bandersnatch, i'm sure make- up sex could follow. but I'm not holding my breath!
Posted by: willow at March 03, 2016 05:51 PM (L1+sh)



As I keep saying, at least when the horrible ex shows up to ask for gas money, I get fucked in the good way first.

Posted by: alexthechick - Love and despair bitches at March 03, 2016 05:53 PM (IrByp)

539 Nood Ghostbusters.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 03, 2016 05:53 PM (LUgeY)

540 Cruz needs donor money. From a structural point of view that makes him more corruptible than Trump.

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So the ideologue who has done just about everything he said he would do is more corruptible than the guy who has already told us he does everything he has to do for his own benefit?

Strange logic.

Posted by: SH at March 03, 2016 05:54 PM (gmeXX)

541 Hope and change has already been tried and don't see much other substance from Trump.

Posted by: Skip at March 03, 2016 05:54 PM (fizMZ)

542 536 Moo Moo is pro abortion and anti religion. And he likes to file fraudulent papers.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 03, 2016 05:53 PM (UGLi1)

______

LOL. I also beat my wife bi-weekly.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 03, 2016 05:54 PM (0LHZx)

543 >>> If you spend four years disappointing members of your would-be coalition, promising the heavens and delivering.., the Ex-Im Bank, then another two years actively pounding them down into nothing, you're going to learn, at a time most inconvenient to you, that it really would have been far better to seek accommodation with a somewhat different (but still very similar) bunch of people, instead of fighting to keep All the Toys for All the Time.

Loyalty is a two way street.

Posted by: fluffy at March 03, 2016 05:54 PM (2hcmo)

544 "In fairness, I don't think many on this blog are saying that."

In fairness, yeah, plenty of 'em are. Same with the tedious, faux intellectual movement con class, e.g., Ben Sasse (what a piece of shit this guy turned out to be, btw), Ben Shapiro, Erick Erickson, Andrew Klaven--and on and on. And of course Mittens.

Rubio has been pro-amnesty, anti-amnesty, pro-amnesty again, and now pro-amnesty while pretending to be anti-amnesty while . . . eh, fuck it, I'm lost with his positions and bogus nuances.

Posted by: Mr. Estrada at March 03, 2016 05:54 PM (Kx4TN)

545 Highly doubtful since he's just snapped up a bunch of his finance people and has hired a former GHW Bush guy as a fiscal advisor.

The dam is breaking, I think. If Cruz manages to make nice with the Bush family, it's Hasta la vista, baby. He'll have a fully functional political Death Star that can defeat Trump.
Posted by: Y-not


Cruz is my first choice but com'on. The cash bus worked so well for Bush, for Rubes. Surely you don't think making nice with Bush is going to win over Trump folks do you?

Posted by: dogfish at March 03, 2016 05:54 PM (SSeCw)

546 Christopher, ugh, yeah, that worries me too. Maybe we deserve it. swell not Me.
but spreads hands in the air and waves.

but i'm hoping for mercy .

Posted by: willow at March 03, 2016 05:54 PM (L1+sh)

547 463 Trump has no allies in DC. If he makes it to the WH he lives and dies by his popularity.
Why would he risk that by turning on his voters?
Posted by: votermom at March 03, 2016 05:44 PM (cbfNE)


Right now? Nope. However, it is very easy for very wealthy, flexible people who are cool with the use of government power to make allies in DC.

Posted by: AD at March 03, 2016 05:54 PM (+gZPV)

548
You cared enough to lie for him.



But not enough to own your lies and build trust.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely



Wow. Deep.

Posted by: pep at March 03, 2016 05:55 PM (LAe3v)

549 Heh, banned for making fun of the TDS'rs.

THAT is funny right there.

Posted by: Mortimer at March 03, 2016 05:55 PM (UmCLB)

550 You're doing a bang up job for Trump.
Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 03, 2016 05:50 PM (UGLi1)


I'm not here to persuade anyone to vote for Trump. Vote for Cruz if you want. Or even Rubio. I won't begrudge anyone holding on to their GOPe blanky if that's what they want. I'm libertarian-ish in that respect.

I'm here for the Moron company. But if you want to throw daggers in my direction, I'm perfectly willing to throw 'em back your way.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 03, 2016 05:55 PM (uURQL)

551 Ace is en fuego.

Posted by: Emmie at March 03, 2016 05:55 PM (2gpRp)

552 Ben Carson wins a prettiest hands contest against Trump.

Trump throws him out of his new party --Trumptonia.

Posted by: Hollywood Medium-- at March 03, 2016 05:55 PM (mcm0N)

553 I love that the blog's resident democrat who will vote for mickey mouse before the Republican Nominee comes in his pants ever time he can name a "Republican" who comes out against Trump.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2016 05:55 PM (mw8Dm)

554 "And he's had quite a bit more exposure on FNC this past week. Better, it hasn't been combative."

Yeah and as the field gets smaller, Trump's free media coverage becomes less of a factor b/c they kind of have to cover Cruz. No more secondary candidates to muscle him out.

I am truly very optimistic right now. Cruz has been getting attacked from all sides and has had a lot of the Right-leaning media, plus the MSM, against him. And he's weathering it well. He has small donors (regular voters) excited and he's getting the large donors' attention. He's raised $55M so far and although I'm sure Super Tuesday increased his burn rate, he's managed his finances well.

The polls all along have said he can win against Hillary and now he's battle-tested.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at March 03, 2016 05:55 PM (t5zYU)

555 If we don't get Cruz for President, I want to have a new party. I won't join the Democrats and I'm tired of belonging to the Stupid Party.
Posted by: Abby Normal at March 03, 2016 05:50 PM (y0rni)


One should have formed right after Romney lost.

Four years down the road would have given them some time.

You have to start somewhere and sometime.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 03, 2016 05:56 PM (qCMvj)

556 For what it's worth, just read a blog in Floriduh, where Romney just opened a big can of whooparse and the GOP is being bombarded with calls. I would imagine this might be all over the nation, but am too lazy to call local GOP (in this GOP state of whatever). Anyway, lots of vitriol towards little Marlo. Lots. He apparently pissed off the Panhandle on some interview, and comments say they are not the only ones pissed off with some predictions that Trump will win big. I guess we'll see.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at March 03, 2016 05:56 PM (wAMRL)

557 Cruz takes his faith seriously. If you know his
beliefs, that gives you a blueprint for his behavior that you can depend
on. That blueprint does not include theocracy. It does include
truthfulness, respect for life and respect for the rights that God gave
us all.

That is a very good thing.


Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 05:51 PM (OrI3J)


Does it also include suicidal altruism? That seems to be going around these days.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 03, 2016 05:56 PM (wQhZ5)

558 >>He can't get the crossover votes. He will be another chapter in the Dole/McCain/Romney victory! story in closed primaries and a total loss once he walks outside the conservative bubble and into the general.

Right now, Cruz can't win.

And it appears that Trump is going to have a tough time getting a bunch of actual Republicans. He's been doing well in open primaries, not so much in closed primaries. Lot of closed primaries coming up.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 03, 2016 05:56 PM (/tuJf)

559 Posted by: votermom at March 03, 2016 05:52 PM (cbfNE)

Is this the same Trump that donated to politicians as business bribes? ( That's Trump defenders spin for his donations). That one?

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 03, 2016 05:56 PM (UGLi1)

560

so, do YOU have any new material??


Posted by: zombie Napoleon, pre Vienna at March 03, 2016 05:51 PM (/542q)

About why Trump shouldn't be elected? At this point, no I have nothing new. The Trumpies are going to support him despite everything. Any number of people have pointed out his NYC liberalism, his authoritarian tendencies, his terrible personal life, his failed (and possibly fraudulent) business deals, and none of it fucking matters.
And yes, if a person here or elsewhere can listen to all of the legitimate criticism and say "I don't care about issues or ideology or character or records or any of that, I'm voting for Trump because he gives me good feelz!", then yes you should be mocked as a Republican version of a LIV.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at March 03, 2016 05:56 PM (lVU49)

561 463- Votermom. Not in any way trying to pick a
fight, but Trump's problem when he goes to Washington - isn't that
Cruz's problem as well?

Posted by: kraken at March 03, 2016 05:48 PM (sdxPm)



--



Cruz needs donor money. From a structural point of view that makes him more corruptible than Trump.

Posted by: votermom at March 03, 2016 05:52 PM (cbfNE)

From an actual real life, already happened standpoint, Trump is corrupt and Cruz is not.
Cruz needed money to get to the Senate also and yet he still stood on his principles.

Trump, on the other hand, thought it appropriate to try and steal a little old lady's property and cancel the insurance of his very ill great nephew over a probate dispute.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 05:57 PM (OrI3J)

562 Has any Republican other than Trump ever mentioned Kate Steinle?

And you say he's winning a lot of votes. So weird.



Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 03, 2016 05:57 PM (0LHZx)

563 Primary: maybe

General: less than zero chance

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And why is this, exactly? Why does he have less than a zero chance, yet Hillary the Felon, whom is deeply unliked by a large part of her own party's voters, not to mention countless others outside the D party?

Why is Cruz labeled as having no charisma and it matters!, yet Hillary has all the appeal of a kumquat rotting in the desert sun and that has no impact?

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at March 03, 2016 05:57 PM (pVkEV)

564 I went shoe shopping this afternoon!

Everyone hoist one for one of our brothers who sacrificed for the team.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 03, 2016 05:57 PM (39g3+)

565 on a side note, is Marco the Sweat Machine Rubio going to CPAC? has he "decided" on his March schedule yet?

Posted by: Nora at March 03, 2016 05:57 PM (Trq86)

566
Why do you think they persist in pushing amnesty for millions of illegals down our throats
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Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 03, 2016 04:58 PM (LUgeY)


Because that's what they want. Once I understood that, alot of other pieces fell in place.

Posted by: bahabuddha at March 03, 2016 05:57 PM (eZuvD)

567 519
Trump is at this point a cult leader who is beyond

even reasonable criticism. When the cultists are *not willing to

listen*, you can't hardly blame the messenger for trying.




Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at March 03, 2016 05:49 PM (lVU49)



A joke about Trump haters is yanked but this remains.

Gotcha.

Posted by: Mortimer at March 03, 2016 05:57 PM (UmCLB)

568 alex, so true.

Posted by: willow at March 03, 2016 05:58 PM (L1+sh)

569 I would advise you get over your icky feelz about religion.

Cruz takes his faith seriously. If you know his beliefs, that gives you a blueprint for his behavior that you can depend on. That blueprint does not include theocracy. It does include truthfulness, respect for life and respect for the rights that God gave us all.

That is a very good thing.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 05:51 PM (OrI3J)

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I agree it is a good thing, but it doesn't win elections. Cruz wins in bible-belt states, but cannot win outside of those areas. He's spent way too much time with Beck and will lose because of it - sad to say.

Posted by: Stay out da bushes at March 03, 2016 05:58 PM (th7n/)

570 There ARE legitimate people with good records, good credentials, and
were otherwise in good standing among the rank-and-file before Trump -
such as Sasse, Cheney, Sowell, etc>>>

Yes Sowell doesn't like Trump but his argument is not kind to the establishment either so he may not take their call.

"What prevents the anti-Trump majority from coming together in support of
one candidate who can defeat Trump? Only the kinds of narrow political
squabbles that ruined China."

"Perhaps most important of all, there are signs that if push comes to
shove the Republican establishment would prefer Trump himself to Ted
Cruz."

http://preview.tinyurl.com/zfgn6he

Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 03, 2016 05:58 PM (XtAzU)

571

Oh, have to dig up that Fallon clip they just showed on the five.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 03, 2016 05:58 PM (qCMvj)

572 Cruz is my first choice but com'on. The cash bus worked so well for Bush, for Rubes. Surely you don't think making nice with Bush is going to win over Trump folks do you?
---

Obviously not. I'm looking to win over the Rubio and Kasich types.

That said, a subset of Trump supporters are not fully committed. They're Trump-curious. If they see Cruz as a viable anti-Establisment entity, they might jump to his side.

Jeb didn't win because money isn't everything. It is, however, SOMETHING. And Cruz has not only attracted a lot of money from many many people, he's used it wisely.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at March 03, 2016 05:59 PM (t5zYU)

573 Now the blog democrat in sheep's clothing is calling anyone who would vote for the Republican Nominee as a LIV.. Funny stuff coming from a democrat

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 03, 2016 05:59 PM (mw8Dm)

574 I agree it is a good thing, but it doesn't win elections.

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It worked for George Bush and Bill Clinton.

Posted by: SH at March 03, 2016 05:59 PM (gmeXX)

575

here it is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRhKS7gYq9E

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 03, 2016 05:59 PM (qCMvj)

576 564
I went shoe shopping this afternoon!



Everyone hoist one for one of our brothers who sacrificed for the team.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 03, 2016 05:57 PM (39g3+)


Hey, I'm an 'ette, not a bro, and I was trying to lighten things up around here.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 03, 2016 05:59 PM (FsuaD)

577 And why is this, exactly? Why does he have less than a zero chance, yet Hillary the Felon, whom is deeply unliked by a large part of her own party's voters, not to mention countless others outside the D party?

Why is Cruz labeled as having no charisma and it matters!, yet Hillary has all the appeal of a kumquat rotting in the desert sun and that has no impact?
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at March 03, 2016 05:57 PM (pVkEV)

_____

You know very well all those dis-satisfied Democrats will vote for her. Democrats are loyal. So as bad as Hillary is, she has a "D" next to her name, she will get Democrat votes.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at March 03, 2016 05:59 PM (0LHZx)

578 Well, this has happened many times in the past.

Every revolution has at it's starting point an elite group that has finally managed to anger enough of the people they need to stay in power.

And that group finally offs them only to be coopted by an even smaller group of more ruthless elites that then proceeds to off everybody.

Happened in France, happened in Russia and almost happened in Germany.

And the places that it didn't happen just pushed the problem down the road until the political structure either collapsed or melted away in the face of an influx of immigrants and anti-nationalism.

Like Great Britain and the USofA.

The GB is lost but the USofA still has a chance. This year is it because if a new group doesn't gain back the power they've been denied, either there will be another revolution OR the elites will have succeeded in replacing their citizens with more malleable ones. A first in history I believe.

Good luck with your Republic. If you can keep it.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 03, 2016 06:00 PM (Xo1Rt)

579 @528...what you buy, Jane?

After packing all belongings in house for 20 yrs, I might be ready for new shoes. I was swearing off shoes and everything for awhile. Husband thinks two closets of clothes and hogging another closet for shoes should be enough. Riiiight.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at March 03, 2016 06:00 PM (wAMRL)

580 money isn't everything. It is, however, SOMETHING.

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One, its a sign of strength.

Posted by: SH at March 03, 2016 06:00 PM (gmeXX)

581 then yes you should be mocked as a Republican version of a LIV.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at March 03, 2016 05:56 PM (lVU49)

Well, you've got that part down pat. Mock away, but most Trump supporters see Ted Cruz as enabling the convention fight the GOPe is perfectly positioned to dominate. He can't win, and the lemming like delusion that all he needs is complete surrender from everyone else-

It matches Rubio's demands, to be honest.

Posted by: trev006 at March 03, 2016 06:00 PM (MEHba)

582 I want Cruz. But.

I think a team beats individuals. Always.

Where Cruz is strong, Trump is weak. Vice versa. That's the best marriage there is.

Four years with Trump at the helm, with Cruz keeping him from veering into the ditch, they both succeed. Trump really, really needs Cruz.

As a conservative my entire life has been about delaying gratification, knowing in the end the reward.

Posted by: mega machines at March 03, 2016 06:01 PM (fbovC)

583 He can't get the crossover votes. He will be another
chapter in the Dole/McCain/Romney victory! story in closed primaries
and a total loss once he walks outside the conservative bubble and into
the general.



Right now, Cruz can't win.



And it appears that Trump is going to have a tough time getting a
bunch of actual Republicans. He's been doing well in open primaries, not
so much in closed primaries. Lot of closed primaries coming up.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 03, 2016 05:56 PM (/tuJf)

I strongly disagree... actual conservatives can win when they actually stick to their principles.
As an illustration, my best friend who voted for Obama twice (she now says she is a recovering liberal) voted for Cruz in the primary because he was able to articulate her frustrations and offer what she thought were positive solutions.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 06:01 PM (OrI3J)

584 oh man it's been years since i bought new shoes or boots.

now i'm feeling low again.

Posted by: willow at March 03, 2016 06:02 PM (L1+sh)

585 Before I forget, I wanted to mention that Club For Growth has said they won't support the campaigns of any Congresscritter (or maybe all elected officials) who endorse Trump.

Good for them.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at March 03, 2016 06:02 PM (t5zYU)

586 no steak, no new shoes...

yep i'm sad.

Posted by: willow at March 03, 2016 06:02 PM (L1+sh)

587 Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 03, 2016 05:59 PM (FsuaD)

So.

How many shoe salesmen did you enslave or leave weeping when you left without buying even a pair of shoelaces after trying on half the stock?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 03, 2016 06:02 PM (Xo1Rt)

588

"orange is the new black"

ahaha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRhKS7gYq9E

worth a watch

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 03, 2016 06:02 PM (qCMvj)

589 I want Cruz. But.



I think a team beats individuals. Always.



Where Cruz is strong, Trump is weak. Vice versa. That's the best marriage there is.



Four years with Trump at the helm, with Cruz keeping him from
veering into the ditch, they both succeed. Trump really, really needs
Cruz.



As a conservative my entire life has been about delaying gratification, knowing in the end the reward.

Posted by: mega machines at March 03, 2016 06:01 PM (fbovC)

We will have amnesty and entrenched Trumpcare before four years is out. This country cannot afford the powersharing you suggest.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 06:03 PM (OrI3J)

590 And yes, if a person here or elsewhere can listen to all of the legitimate criticism and say "I don't care about issues or ideology or character or records or any of that, I'm voting for Trump because he gives me good feelz!", then yes you should be mocked as a Republican version of a LIV.
Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at March 03, 2016 05:56 PM (lVU49)

Not good feelz.

Trump is our club.

We have heard your arguments and reject them.

Doing so is not evidence we are stupid or overwhelmed by emotion.

We know exactly what we are doing and we are rational and fully in control of ourselves.

Posted by: eman at March 03, 2016 06:03 PM (Ahbpx)

591 Posted by: Y-not


Ahh, I'm glad you cleared that up for me and you could be right but first rule for Cruz is not to treat Trump folks like they're morons, they have very legitimate complaints. The GOPe candidates that have taken the money have not been smart enough to avoid that pit ...and then double down ...and double down ...and double down ...and...

Posted by: dogfish at March 03, 2016 06:03 PM (SSeCw)

592 "I don't think anyone will beat Hillary."

Pathetic. She's the most beatable candidate in a generation, and any of 'em could beat her.

But can we unite? Nooooooooo. We're too busy fighting our own fucking frontrunner and convincing ourselves he's "just as bad as Hillary" And while Scalia is in the ground, I might add.

We are not a serious group of people. This takes a coalition. And part of that coalition is Trump voters--and Trump. Everyone stop being whiners and I-have-to-have-it-ALL-my-own-way and get behind the goddamn nominee.

It'd be nice for us to not fuck something up for once.

Christ, no wonder we never win anything. All this whining.

Posted by: Mr. Estrada at March 03, 2016 06:04 PM (Kx4TN)

593 579
@528...what you buy, Jane?



After packing all belongings in house for 20 yrs, I might be ready
for new shoes. I was swearing off shoes and everything for awhile.
Husband thinks two closets of clothes and hogging another closet for
shoes should be enough. Riiiight.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at March 03, 2016 06:00 PM (wAMRL)



Ooooh, shoe talk! I bought a pair of nude patent pumps, a pair of floral sling-backs with kitten heels, and two pairs of ballet flats, one nude and one black. For upcoming trip. I couple of weeks ago I bought one black and one beige pair of Sketchers slip-ons, which are really comfy, and replaced my old riding boots with new Ariats that can double for hiking.

And now we can get back to observing the circular firing squad.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 03, 2016 06:04 PM (FsuaD)

594 well i expect the republican voters to get behind whoever our candidate IS just like we've been told to do for Years.

sarcasm. because i know it was a one way street. NOw

Posted by: willow at March 03, 2016 06:04 PM (L1+sh)

595 We know exactly what we are doing and we are rational and fully in control of ourselves.
Posted by: eman at March 03, 2016 06:03 PM (Ahbpx)



It's somewhat mystifying why they would try to lie about our internal thoughts.

Projection? That flaw is not limited to the Left ...

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 03, 2016 06:05 PM (uURQL)

596 "Cruz needs donor money. From a structural point of view that makes him more corruptible than Trump."

Trump is not self-funding a $2 billion+ general election campaign.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at March 03, 2016 06:05 PM (t5zYU)

597 We're all morally informed by something, I'd prefer our President had a Christian base philosophy rather than one gleaned from The Communist Manifesto, so Cruz' religiosity isn't a problem for me. Part of his character should be to not impose those beliefs on others in his role as President, but to fulfill the role as Constitutionally proscribed, and I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 03, 2016 06:05 PM (2cS/G)

598 We know exactly what we are doing and we are rational and fully in control of ourselves.

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That's fair. Many of us are not in your club on this and will not join you on this ride. I think we share some commonalities, but this is where we part. May the best side win, and perhaps we'll meet up again someday.

Posted by: SH at March 03, 2016 06:06 PM (gmeXX)

599 Why do you think they persist in pushing amnesty for millions of illegals down our throats

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Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 03, 2016 04:58 PM (LUgeY)



Trump has said the same thing many many times both in the distant past and the last couple of months.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 06:06 PM (OrI3J)

600 As a conservative my entire life has been about delaying gratification, knowing in the end the reward.

Posted by: mega machines at March 03, 2016 06:01 PM (fbovC)

If your entire life has been about delaying gratification, then your end reward is death.

(Are you Jewish? This sounds like a Jewish comedians joke. You know delayed gratification and death being the reward of your life? Sounds like a Dangerfield or Rickles joke.)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 03, 2016 06:07 PM (Xo1Rt)

601 587
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 03, 2016 05:59 PM (FsuaD)

So.

How
many shoe salesmen did you enslave or leave weeping when you left
without buying even a pair of shoelaces after trying on half the stock?


Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 03, 2016 06:02 PM (Xo1Rt)



I'm the easiest customer in the world. I just point to the shoes I want and request the size, try them on, and pay. I really hate shopping. Just want to go in, purchase, and get the hell out.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 03, 2016 06:07 PM (FsuaD)

602 My god, again with the whining from Ace. And it's all so incredibly lacking in self reflection.

Maybe if you want Cruz to do better, you should be making an appeal to TRUMP voters.

Because, you know, he's the guy eating Cruz's lunch in all the primaries, taking evangelicals and "true" conservative voters. You'd think you'd spend more time trying to woo Trump's voters to support the other "outsider" candidate.

But you won't, ever, because it's easier and more cathartic for you to just whine and complain about how UNFAIR the establishment is for not bending the knee to Cruz.

I suppose that's the "principled" approach.

Posted by: Vyce at March 03, 2016 06:07 PM (HI7nL)

603 feeling the love train -love train.

Posted by: willow at March 03, 2016 06:07 PM (L1+sh)

604 Trump is our club.

>>>We have heard your arguments and reject them.

Doing so is not evidence we are stupid or overwhelmed by emotion.

We know exactly what we are doing and we are rational and fully in control of ourselves.

Posted by: eman

Agreed.

Posted by: AmeriDan at March 03, 2016 06:08 PM (cq3QL)

605 598 We know exactly what we are doing and we are rational and fully in control of ourselves.

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That's fair. Many of us are not in your club on this and will not join you on this ride. I think we share some commonalities, but this is where we part. May the best side win, and perhaps we'll meet up again someday.
Posted by: SH at March 03, 2016 06:06 PM (gmeXX)

Thanks and likewise.

Posted by: eman at March 03, 2016 06:08 PM (Ahbpx)

606 tfries to willow the thread.
clicks heels
wiggles nose
Says ,'Hi guys i missed you so much Talk to me!'

Posted by: willow at March 03, 2016 06:09 PM (L1+sh)

607 476 *points at Obama*



This isn't a Republic.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 03, 2016 05:42 PM (uURQL)


Obama is a nightmare that we shouldn't be looking to recreate.
Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 05:45 PM (OrI3J)

I understand your viewpoint. I've held it for a long time until recently. But, you can't have a republic if your major political opposition has no respect for the social compact. Everything you can every achieve politically, they are willing to undo by any means necessary. You literally cannot have a republic when half the country only has use for laws when they can use them to their advantage.

We are in a cold civil war right now. Romney and all of these beltway creatures are too comfortable and wrapped up in the political back and forth to see the forest for the trees. This is not a situation that is going to get resolved by winning some elections by the old rules. These Marxists aren't going to become Jeffersonian Democrats if they see our solutions in action. The republic, as it was, is over.

Posted by: Crrr6 (hotair refugee) at March 03, 2016 06:09 PM (r23qW)

608 chemjeff still poking the tiger through the bars.

One day the cage door will be unlocked and on that day you will feel real fear. But not for long.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 03, 2016 06:09 PM (Xo1Rt)

609 584
oh man it's been years since i bought new shoes or boots.



now i'm feeling low again.

Posted by: willow at March 03, 2016 06:02 PM (L1+sh)



Awww, willow. Please don't feel bad. Husband and I are taking our first vacation in YEARS and I needed to shop.


*passes dark chocolate bar thru usb*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 03, 2016 06:10 PM (FsuaD)

610 Remind me about Mr Oh So Conservative's votes on the TPP, TPA deal.
And putting America and Americans first via H1B.

Billy Graham wouldn't be on an elevator with a woman who wasn't his wife.
Why?
Appearances. Might damage his ministry. And doing The Big Guy's work was everything.

Cruz, on the other hand is sleeping with the enemy, literally, and when the voting rubber hit the road he went against Americans
Far as I'm concerned all his govt shutdown theater and conservative rhetoric are Kabuki.

Posted by: teej at March 03, 2016 06:10 PM (2fV9Y)

611 Ahh, I'm glad you cleared that up for me and you
could be right but first rule for Cruz is not to treat Trump folks like
they're morons, they have very legitimate complaints. The GOPe
candidates that have taken the money have not been smart enough to avoid
that pit ...and then double down ...and double down ...and double
down ...and...

Posted by: dogfish at March 03, 2016 06:03 PM (SSeCw)

I think we can all agree that it is a very good thing that Cruz is not GOPe.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 06:10 PM (OrI3J)

612 592 "I don't think anyone will beat Hillary."

Pathetic. She's the most beatable candidate in a generation, and any of 'em could beat her.

But can we unite? Nooooooooo. We're too busy fighting our own fucking frontrunner and convincing ourselves he's "just as bad as Hillary" And while Scalia is in the ground, I might add.

We are not a serious group of people. This takes a coalition. And part of that coalition is Trump voters--and Trump. Everyone stop being whiners and I-have-to-have-it-ALL-my-own-way and get behind the goddamn nominee.

It'd be nice for us to not fuck something up for once.

Christ, no wonder we never win anything. All this whining.

Erik Estrada is right!

Posted by: John Baker at March 03, 2016 06:10 PM (w+mZJ)

613 @593...Jane, sounds great! I'd be in shoe heaven, too.

After last summer's done fall down stairs at new house and sprouted a Hobbit foot, I was unable to wear a couple of pair of summer shoes I had just bought. So am looking forward to unearthing shoes I packed almost a year ago and on shelves. It took months for stupid foot to be normal, so wore same pair of black flats forever and just shoot me if instep is now deformed or something.

It is nice to get feets out of boots these days. I guess we will have more snow, but it melts fast. So am ready to pack up the old snow boots (this should insure we get two feet).

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at March 03, 2016 06:10 PM (wAMRL)

614 You'd think you'd spend more time trying to woo Trump's voters to support the other "outsider" candidate.

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The point is there is no wooing of you. Your mind is decided. Again, that is fine. But many of us do not join you and will not. Again, let's just play this out. If Trump gets a majority, he wins. If not ... well I suspect he will not win the nomination - though he could still win somehow. If a majority want Trump great. But if a majority don't want him ... well great.

Posted by: SH at March 03, 2016 06:10 PM (gmeXX)

615 And frankly, while I've been patient with the Cruz people, both because I like Cruz and because their concerns about consistency and honesty can be taken seriously--since they aren't whining about "con men" while supporting Rubio, who is a giant fucking con man--I'm starting to get a little frustrated. This race is over. Trump is the nominee. Enough with it. Enough with these pie-in-the-sky scenarios of convention surprises and so on. It's basically over. We're getting to the point soon where you're either for Trump or Hillary. Give it 'till March 15th (or 12th of whatever it is) if you must, but there aren't going to be any shakeups. There just aren't. And then let's get on with it already.

Posted by: Mr. Estrada at March 03, 2016 06:11 PM (Kx4TN)

616 munches on chocolate.. mmmm

Jane i hope you have a lovely time.

I'm hoping after the next election financial situation might improve.
so not all hope is lost.

impatiently flips through shoe mags.

Posted by: willow at March 03, 2016 06:11 PM (L1+sh)

617 Priebus on CNN now, sounding somewhat sane.

Posted by: hinoeuma at March 03, 2016 06:11 PM (//TVq)

618
Of course not. The GOP has said a thousand
times: their new goal is a convention fight. It's the only practical way
they can keep Trump from the Presidency. Cruz can't win even if it's a
Trump-Cruz fight, and everyone is certain of it. If only he could
duplicate the results he had in his home state where he's backed by the
establishment.



Ah well. Power sharing. Trump's got Christie and Sessions in his
coalition. What pair would you say defines Cruz's broad coalition?

Posted by: trev006 at March 03, 2016 05:52 PM (MEHba)

Maybe you should bone up on Cruz's history with plurality votes.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 06:11 PM (OrI3J)

619 Well, I'm out for a bit. Later.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 03, 2016 06:12 PM (FsuaD)

620 Those of you who vow to stay home THIS TIME instead of voting for the Republican nominee because he's not "Your Guy" are blathering like straight-up Traitors to your Party and Country.

Posted by: zzBottom at March 03, 2016 06:12 PM (aHUpC)

621 Jane be well.

Posted by: willow at March 03, 2016 06:12 PM (L1+sh)

622 >>> You know delayed gratification and death being the reward of your life? Sounds like a Dangerfield or Rickles joke.<<<

Sounds like a marriage joke. And don't forget to tip your next ex-wife.

Posted by: Fritz at March 03, 2016 06:12 PM (37OkS)

623 This race is over. Trump is the nominee. Enough with it.

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Its far from over. But look, it doesn't matter. It Trump is destined to win, then its not a matter of if - just when. And he'll be a better candidate being battle tested, so you should look at this as a positive for your guy.

Posted by: SH at March 03, 2016 06:13 PM (gmeXX)

624 Prager's column this week is warning us not to attack eachother for supporting any candidate, because when it is decided by vote, convention or just last man standing Hildabeast must be beat no its ands or buts.

Posted by: Skip at March 03, 2016 06:13 PM (fizMZ)

625 You're helping them play the ratchet game -
Democrats ignore the rules to push the country Leftward; Republicans
play by the rules to push the country Leftward.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 03, 2016 05:50 PM
~~~
You've got a conservative candidate who has been bucking the entrenched elite. Yet you'd rather blow it all up?

I really wish that Trump supporters would take a long, hard look at what they're doing and see how they are acting just like the Obama cultists from eight years ago. Like stubborn children who won't listen to anyone. It's really quite remarkable.

Go ahead and pile on if you wish,Trumpers. I'm immune--been reading your vitriolic posts for weeks now.

Posted by: IrishEi at March 03, 2016 06:13 PM (E6RIJ)

626 I love you, willow. If my foot is deformed I will send you all my shoes via Ace (I am sure he would be happy to help us). ha. Seriously, some, prior to injury, were never worn. Let's just say my dang foot better work this year.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at March 03, 2016 06:13 PM (wAMRL)

627 Why is Cruz labeled as having no charisma and it
matters!, yet Hillary has all the appeal of a kumquat rotting in the
desert sun and that has no impact?

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at March 03, 2016 05:57 PM (pVkEV)

You know as well as we do. It's called the media, and now that even includes most of the "conservative" media. That's a dragon Cruz has yet to beat, but Trump has filled a graveyard with opponents, and media types.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 03, 2016 06:14 PM (wQhZ5)

628 393 tsrbike,
I grew up on a family farm and worked on it along with field hands. Drove delivery trucks to get through bachelors. Served in the military as enlisted to help pay for grad school. Have the magic three letters and tenure at a regional school. That being said, I witness constantly those who use the social game to exclude and treat people poorly based on class. In some cases, the worst are those who came from humble backgrounds.

For example, as a senior graduate student, I worked as RA for the guy who was a really bright JD/PHD asst. professor. He had also worked outside of academia as legal counsel for a mfg. firm in his home state. I witnessed another professor giving him hell in front of others because at a reception, the lowly asst. professor mistook brie for cheesecake. The asst. professor came from Appalachia and did not know the difference.

I saw the same bullshit when I worked on the Hill and when I go back to do research at the LOC, I see it is even worse now. Both parties share elitist backgrounds and the same social networks. This is also increasingly true of our corporations from what I have seen. The increasing ossification of the "new" nobility will not end well.


Posted by: whig at March 03, 2016 06:15 PM (mlyQI)

629 Trump has only 2 states with over 40% and one was Massachusetts which will vote for Hildabeast, you vacancies bet your house on it.

Posted by: Skip at March 03, 2016 06:15 PM (fizMZ)

630 tfries to willow the thread.
clicks heels
wiggles nose
Says ,'Hi guys i missed you so much Talk to me!'
Posted by: willow at March 03, 2016 06:09 PM (L1+sh)


Ghostbuster nood, willow. <3

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 03, 2016 06:16 PM (uURQL)

631 Voting for Trump is like tying some lit flares to a raccoon's tail and setting it loose in a KKK's tent during their meeting (or whatever they do).

Yes it's destructive. Yes it's dangerous. Yes, some people will get hurt.

And Yes it will be so gratifying to see all those assholes running around in panic (and it has been so far quite amusing) and then rushing into the trees catching the forest on fire and the whole damn thing burns down.

And that describes my motivation so you dare try to be rational and condescending to me. I have my reasons and there's not much anyone can say that will stop me and others.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 03, 2016 06:16 PM (Xo1Rt)

632 And frankly, while I've been patient with the Cruz
people, both because I like Cruz and because their concerns about
consistency and honesty can be taken seriously--since they aren't
whining about "con men" while supporting Rubio, who is a giant fucking
con man--I'm starting to get a little frustrated. This race is over.
Trump is the nominee. Enough with it. Enough with these pie-in-the-sky
scenarios of convention surprises and so on. It's basically over. We're
getting to the point soon where you're either for Trump or Hillary. Give
it 'till March 15th (or 12th of whatever it is) if you must, but there
aren't going to be any shakeups. There just aren't. And then let's get
on with it already.

Posted by: Mr. Estrada at March 03, 2016 06:11 PM (Kx4TN)

While we appreciate you... patience... if we are frustrating you, I am sure Ace won't hold you hostage here.


I for one will still work my hardest to see Cruz wins even though he is, what? 60 or 70 electoral votes behind your declared winner.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 06:16 PM (OrI3J)

633 Christy. aww. that's sweet.
I had not known you had hurt your foot?

ugh, i know healing can feel overlong, but is the prognosis bad? anyway, i will pray for your feet even at my loss of wonderous shoes.

Posted by: willow at March 03, 2016 06:16 PM (L1+sh)

634 Priebus doing really, really well against Blitzer, sounds like he's not on the Romney train.

Posted by: hinoeuma at March 03, 2016 06:17 PM (//TVq)

635 Don't you dare try to be rational

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 03, 2016 06:17 PM (Xo1Rt)

636 Reactionary, i guess better slow than never.

Posted by: willow at March 03, 2016 06:17 PM (L1+sh)

637 Romney is looking into taking nomination for himself.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/03/politics/mitt-romney-stop-trump-at-convention/index.html

Posted by: Abby Normal at March 03, 2016 06:18 PM (y0rni)

638 #625
You are unwilling to realize that it is not about Trump.
But go ahead and suck on that lollipop if it makes you feel better.

Posted by: zzBottom at March 03, 2016 06:18 PM (aHUpC)

639 Voting for Trump is like tying some lit flares to a
raccoon's tail and setting it loose in a KKK's tent during their meeting
(or whatever they do).

Yes it's destructive. Yes it's dangerous. Yes, some people will get hurt.

And
Yes it will be so gratifying to see all those assholes running around
in panic (and it has been so far quite amusing) and then rushing into
the trees catching the forest on fire and the whole damn thing burns
down.

And that describes my motivation so you dare try to be
rational and condescending to me. I have my reasons and there's not much
anyone can say that will stop me and others.


Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 03, 2016 06:16 PM (Xo1Rt)

And at the end of all that, we are still left with a nation in tatters that needs restored. Trump is not that guy.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 06:18 PM (OrI3J)

640 "While we appreciate you... patience... if we are frustrating you, I am sure Ace won't hold you hostage here."

Fair enough.

Posted by: Mr. Estrada at March 03, 2016 06:19 PM (Kx4TN)

641 (Are you Jewish? This sounds like a Jewish comedians joke. You know delayed gratification and death being the reward of your life? Sounds like a Dangerfield or Rickles joke.)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 03, 2016 06:07 PM (Xo1Rt)


Guilt for wanting any of that gratification today is our reward

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at March 03, 2016 06:19 PM (zc3Db)

642 While we appreciate you... patience... if we are frustrating you, I am sure Ace won't hold you hostage here.


I
for one will still work my hardest to see Cruz wins even though he is,
what? 60 or 70 electoral votes behind your declared winner.


Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 06:16 PM (OrI3J)

Yet you completely ignore his point. It's over for Cruz unless there is some miracle. If you imagine Cruz walking out the victor of a brokered convention, then you....have problems with reality.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 03, 2016 06:20 PM (wQhZ5)

643 Posted by: IrishEi at March 03, 2016 06:13 PM (E6RIJ)

Name one time when he could've voted against the establishment about some vital legislation where he went against them.

Not what he says, what he does. Cruz has a legislative record. Trump doesn't.

Cruz has never held a real job, Trump has.

Cruz has a problem with his birthplace just like Obama did. Trump doesn't.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 03, 2016 06:20 PM (Xo1Rt)

644 Maybe you should bone up on Cruz's history with plurality votes.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 06:11 PM (OrI3J)

State Trump Cruz
Popular 3,365,867 2,764,036
Iowa 45,427 51,666
New H 100,406 33,189
South C 239,851 164,790
Nevada 34,531 16,079
Alabama 371,735 180,608
Alaska 7,346 7,973
Arkans 133,144 123,873
Georgia 501,707 305,109
Massac 311,313 60,473
Minneso 24,018 32,684
Oklaho 130,141 157,941
Tenness 332,702 211,159
Texas 757,618 1,239,370
Vermont 19,968 5,929
Virgini 355,960 173,193

Okay, done it. It's not looking good for him. What've you got in response?

Posted by: trev006 at March 03, 2016 06:21 PM (MEHba)

645 Playing "...liberal SJW exclusion/ostracism games on them."

I've found that anti-Trump people are as bad or worse than any liberal I've ever argued with...



Posted by: The Hot Gate. at March 03, 2016 06:22 PM (KJZeR)

646 C'mon. Trump is the guy. He's the guy. I'm more convinced of it today than ever. I've been with him a while now, but I've never been more convinced than today.

That Romney speech crystallized it for me.

The ENTIRE existing order resists him. The same order that we hate and that hates us. He's who we should stand with.

Posted by: Mr. Estrada at March 03, 2016 06:22 PM (Kx4TN)

647 That's okay. It's always good to get a refresher on the basics.

Posted by: Matt_SE at March 03, 2016 06:23 PM (9Fcph)

648 The ENTIRE existing order resists him. The same order that we hate and that hates us. He's who we should stand with.
Posted by: Mr. Estrada at March 03, 2016 06:22 PM (Kx4TN)


I figure they'll come along when Trump wins it.

And if Trump can't win it, then our support don't matter. I think the forces here are beyond a matter of verbal persuasion.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at March 03, 2016 06:25 PM (uURQL)

649
I have a college degree and a master's degree, both from fancy schools. I live in a blue state, I eat hippie food and have no idea how to change the oil in my car. On paper I should be the biggest Bernie supporter out there. But I'm a Trump guy.

Stereotypes are fun though.--------Monsieur Moo Moo

How to change your oil:
Take out the plug in the oil pan until all the oil has drained out. Throw away the plug as you're getting a new one.
Drive to the nearest auto supply store buy more oil and a plug. Replace plug.Pour in the recommended amount plus two quarts.
Ignore everything I typed above.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW LLC at March 03, 2016 06:25 PM (1JqUE)

650 >>>This race is over.
Trump is the nominee.

Uh, yeah, no he's not.

Posted by: AmeriDan at March 03, 2016 06:25 PM (cq3QL)

651 Late to the party (just got out of work) but I just wanted to say that this was a fantastic post, Ace. Nicely done.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at March 03, 2016 06:26 PM (HMt16)

652
Remind me about Mr Oh So Conservative's votes on the TPP, TPA deal.

And putting America and Americans first via H1B.



Billy Graham wouldn't be on an elevator with a woman who wasn't his wife.

Why?

Appearances. Might damage his ministry. And doing The Big Guy's work was everything.



Cruz, on the other hand is sleeping with the enemy, literally, and when the voting rubber hit the road he went against Americans

Far as I'm concerned all his govt shutdown theater and conservative rhetoric are Kabuki.



Posted by: teej at March 03, 2016 06:10 PM (2fV9Y)

Yet again I will tell a Trump supporters... TPP HAS NOT BEEN VOTED ON.


The TPA vote was last May. Cruz voted for cloture... realized he had been lied to about the vote and the contents of the Treaties that would be considered under TPA and changed his vote to no when it passed.
Cruz was in error but it is one of his very few and he learned from it. He has vowed to vote against TPP when and if it comes to a vote.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 06:27 PM (OrI3J)

653 Okay, done it. It's not looking good for him. What've you got in response?



Posted by: trev006 at March 03, 2016 06:21 PM (MEHba)
Duck! before the point hits you in the head as it is flying over.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 06:29 PM (OrI3J)

654 Speaking of faiths (as above somewhere), there are now evangelical leaders complaining that evangelicals in the south voted for Trump. They say that these evangelical Trump voters are not true evangelicals (they actual seem to mean not Christians at all). Some also imply Trump calling for a ban of Muslims is equivalent to "Islamic extremism". For more detail, if you care, you can see on NPR online.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 03, 2016 06:31 PM (NUqwG)

655 Name one time when he could've voted against the establishment about some vital legislation where he went against them.

Not what he says, what he does. Cruz has a legislative record. Trump doesn't.

Cruz has never held a real job, Trump has.

Cruz has a problem with his birthplace just like Obama did. Trump doesn't.


Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at March 03, 2016 06:20 PM (Xo1Rt)

Birtherism Again?

And Solicitor General is a real job where they really make you argue real cases in real court (including for Cruz really arguing many cases in front of the Supremes).

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 06:32 PM (OrI3J)

656 645 Playing "...liberal SJW exclusion/ostracism games on them."

I've found that anti-Trump people are as bad or worse than any liberal I've ever argued with...



Posted by: The Hot Gate. at March 03, 2016 06:22 PM (KJZeR)

Funny I was think the same thing about Trump defenders. Both ignore facts about their candidates and say those facts don't matter anyway.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 03, 2016 06:32 PM (UGLi1)

657 Duck! before the point hits you in the head as it is flying over.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 06:29 PM (OrI3J)

Yeah, but flipping you off feels better. As Trump's rivals are finding out, snark isn't a good substitute for winning.

Posted by: trev006 at March 03, 2016 06:33 PM (MEHba)

658 Yeah, but flipping you off feels better. As Trump's rivals are finding out, snark isn't a good substitute for winning.

Posted by: trev006 at March 03, 2016 06:33 PM (MEHba)

You won nothing and you weren't even looking in the right place (hint: 2012)

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 06:34 PM (OrI3J)

659 Worst Case Scenario: Trumps wins the Presidency, an Epic Disaster -- indeed, a Black Swan event.
Next Worst Case Scenario: Trump wins the nomination, Clinton wins the Presidency. GOP/Conservatives are smeared with "Trump was your nominee -- TRUMP!!! You IDIOTS!!!! HA HA HA HA" for the rest of the century.
Next Worst Case Scenario: Brokered convention, the Trump Disaster is avoided, Clinton wins the Presidency.
Best Case Scenario: Brokered convention, somehow the GOP wins the Presidency, probably because Clinton gets indicted.

Posted by: Deal with it at March 03, 2016 06:35 PM (Y8P5w)

660 He got lied to about TPP/TPA.
So he didn't know, after all the GOPe crap up to that point, he couldn't trust them? Real. Smart.
And voting for cloture and against something you know is going to pass is the kind of thing that will fool a Cruz voter but nit this old vet.

Posted by: teej at March 03, 2016 06:36 PM (2fV9Y)

661 You people are going to pop a vein. Strokes are no fun. I can vouch for that.

Can I have all your stuff?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. SSDD at March 03, 2016 06:36 PM (WVsWD)

662
Bitter Clinger, and what if that raccoon runs into your house instead? What if allyou accomplishis to burn down your neighborhood?
You understand that is a very real possibility, right?

Posted by: Tilikum KAW LLC at March 03, 2016 06:37 PM (uhftQ)

663 Here is the reality that people need to come to grips with:

1. The GOPe hates Cruz as much as Trump. They will do everything they can to stop both. They hate them, because from their "ivory tower" they both look the same. I know on the ground level they look different, but the GOPe is really high up there and far away. To them they are both crazy men who suck up to "rude hicks".

2. The GOPe is a complete and absolute shill of the Chamber of Commerce and "Big Donors". What ever they want, the GOPe wants. They want more labor, check. They want some stupid free trade deal that is not anything like what many would define as "free trade", check. They want some government handout, check. They want an end to any talk that might upset the PC corporate environment (like talk about religion, race, sex, history, etc.), check. They only want talk about international economic stuff and low taxes on rich people, check. You get the point...

3. The GOPe does not care about national security if it interferes with number 2 above. Proof 1: See role over on Iran deal. Proof 2: See Paul Ryan role over for Syrian refugees. Proof 3: See little interest in border security. Hence the comprehensive immigration reform...aka big confused bill with no real improvements in border security.

4. The GOPe is a big over paid bureaucracy of politicians, advisers, consultants, think tanks, etc. Why on earth would they want a smaller government? That means less jobs for them! Trump might not be for smaller government, but he is an "army of one ego", and that means they will not have a place at the big boy table of one ego, and Trump seems like a "mean boss" who might actually demand results. Who wants that when you can have Boss Rubio! Cruz is even worse in their eyes, he actually is "crazy" enough to believe in small government and once again seems like a "mean boss". It is once again all the same for them...Cruz and Trump are not good for them. It has nothing to do with conservatism, or anything like that.

That is why I laugh when the GOPe uses the conservative arguments on Trump. It is really funny coming from the source.









Posted by: William Eaton at March 03, 2016 06:38 PM (q52Ma)

664 You won nothing and you weren't even looking in the right place (hint: 2012)

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 06:34 PM (OrI3J)

Actually, Cruz improved on his total Texas votes, if we're comparing apples to oranges. But he's not running for Governor of Texas, so he's gonna have to do much better than Texas-diverse.

Which he's not.

Posted by: trev006 at March 03, 2016 06:38 PM (MEHba)

665 Dear IrishEli,

You forget the I Don't Give a Sheet Party, of which I am chairwoman with a doggie for other jobs (he is paid in dog treats should anyone like to donate to gofundmeIDONTCARE

I will vote Trump or Cruz. Either or. Whoever is left standing. Right now I would vote for that Vermin guy with boot on his head vs GOPe. I am done with them. xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at March 03, 2016 06:40 PM (wAMRL)

666 Only & 4EVER TRUMP

Posted by: Myshiba at March 03, 2016 06:41 PM (4qOWG)

667 Funny I was think the same thing about Trump
defenders. Both ignore facts about their candidates and say those facts
don't matter anyway.

Posted by: Joe Hallenbeck at March 03, 2016 06:32 PM (UGLi1)

This is a game of who is lying. The underlying theme is that somebody is lying. It's politics so someone, or everyone is lying. That's why everybody is willing to ignore facts, since they've been manipulated by politicians all the time. They vote for cloture but against the actual bill, so they can say they opposed it, when they actually enabled it. This is why we're forced to view facts skeptically, so back to the game. Who is lying? We make the best guess we can and go with that. I feel fortunate because my first choice is #1 and my second choice is #2.

Posted by: DFCtomm at March 03, 2016 06:42 PM (wQhZ5)

668 from a comment wrt Romney's speech and the RNC establishment:

"Donald Trump has one thing the corrupt kingmakers will never have... HONESTY! when Trump announced he told openy about his history, Democrat, pro-choice, bankruptcies, all of his warts. Then he proceeded to expose the dis-honest corruption and cronyism of those like Lindsey and Romney.

Trump supporters will be loyal to the end... Loyalty is what the corrupt political elite are incapable of understanding.

These tyrants have no idea how angry Americans are... If Corrupt political shenanigans manage to keep Trump from being the GOP nominee... WE WILL BURN THEM TO THE GROUND! Starting With the GOP!

THERE WILL BE NO PLACE TO HIDE!"

That's pretty explicit, but from my little tours of Al Gore's intertubes over the last few months, I know that tens of millions of Americans are just as angry.

Many people on boards like this, at AoS, have gotten themselves into the same bubble as the RNC, if sometimes, for different reasons.

Posted by: The Hot Gate. at March 03, 2016 06:42 PM (KJZeR)

669 Every lefty complaint goes to court, Scalia's seat goes to a leftist every decision will be a hard turn to the left. On the other hand Cruz wins that seat and possibly Ruthie's could change from the leftist rubber stamp to a conservative.

Posted by: Skip at March 03, 2016 06:43 PM (fizMZ)

670 @633...oh, no, honey. That was all last summer. Pray for my sinuses (ha). Hayfever mixed with doggie dander mixed with end of Hilz virus equals sneezy Christy. Love you. xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at March 03, 2016 06:44 PM (wAMRL)

671 WE WILL BURN THEM TO THE GROUND! Starting With the GOP!


Posted by: The Hot Gate. at March 03, 2016 06:42 PM (KJZeR)

I'm not even sure he's being metaphorical. I don't think people would mind losing fairly to Cruz or even Rubio, but a convention fight? Maybe they're just in a regular election year rage.

Maybe not, though.

Posted by: trev006 at March 03, 2016 06:45 PM (MEHba)

672 On the other hand Cruz wins that seat and possibly Ruthie's could change from the leftist rubber stamp to a conservative.
Posted by: Skip at March 03, 2016 06:43 PM (fizMZ)
-------
If the Senate consents.

Posted by: RioBravo at March 03, 2016 06:46 PM (NUqwG)

673 Can I have half your stuff? You won't need after the rage stroke gets you. You want to end up like Senator Kirk?

Posted by: Austin Milbarge at March 03, 2016 06:47 PM (WVsWD)

674 Birtherism?
Is that all you got?
Alinsky type crap?

Try this.
He was born in Canada.
His father was not an American Citizen.
His citizenship on his both certificate was Canadian.
Maybe try to realize our brilliant founders didn't put those extra two words, Natural Born, in that revered document for no reason.
And yes, they got it from Vattel's definition.

Posted by: teej at March 03, 2016 06:47 PM (2fV9Y)

675 /off Spies like us sock

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. SSDD at March 03, 2016 06:48 PM (WVsWD)

676 Great post, ace.

So, even the GOPe has joined the Let It Burn camp?

Posted by: rickl at March 03, 2016 06:48 PM (sdi6R)

677 I will vote Trump or Cruz. Either or. Whoever is
left standing. Right now I would vote for that Vermin guy with boot on
his head vs GOPe. I am done with them. xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at March 03, 2016 06:40 PM (wAMRL)

Vermin Supreme has an intriguing platform. My daughter would love a pony based economy and we do not spend enough time thinking about zombie preparedness.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 06:49 PM (OrI3J)

678 I've heard many commentators state they think the Republican leaders would rather be the minority, hell even when their the majority they act like the Democrats are.

Posted by: Skip at March 03, 2016 06:52 PM (fizMZ)

679 I'm not even sure he's being metaphorical. I don't
think people would mind losing fairly to Cruz or even Rubio, but a
convention fight? Maybe they're just in a regular election year rage.



Maybe not, though.

Posted by: trev006 at March 03, 2016 06:45 PM (MEHba)

It may come to a convention fight if no one has a majority. That is neither unfair nor rage-riot worthy. Those are the rules they ALL agreed to by becoming candidates for the Republican nomination.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 06:52 PM (OrI3J)

680
#663 "That is why I laugh when the GOPe uses the conservative arguments on Trump. It is really funny coming from the source."

Man ain't that the truth. I Love Cruz, but its sad his supporters are using the "he's a liberal" and "he's not a conservative" argument against Trump. They just dont admit that we don't have any Conservatives actually having any success in DC because they have all been neutered by the Lying Ryan's & McConnells. Over 10 years of their Crap!

Trump is a chance to deliver a Day of Reckoning on Washington's REAL Elitist Con Men and that's why people are getting on the Train.

It ain't about Trump. It's about the Train.

Posted by: zzBottom at March 03, 2016 06:55 PM (aHUpC)

681 this is the behavior I've been noticing from a lot of people attacking trump

*hears some news about executive overreach
"The republic is dead! the republic is dead"

*5 min later
"How dare you support trump?! he has no respect for the checks and balances of our republic!"

We know this, social contract is broken in our eyes. Rule of law is a myth, just rule of powerful. Well we are putting someone else in power this time. He may not be on "our team" and just pretending, but I know he isn't on "theirs" either.

Posted by: bob at March 03, 2016 06:58 PM (3rX4w)

682 Right. Except the RNC, (read that GOPe) can change needed numbers to whatever they need.

Posted by: teej at March 03, 2016 06:58 PM (2fV9Y)

683 Birtherism?

Is that all you got?

Alinsky type crap?



Try this.

He was born in Canada.

His father was not an American Citizen.

His citizenship on his both certificate was Canadian.

Maybe try to realize our brilliant founders didn't put those extra
two words, Natural Born, in that revered document for no reason.

And yes, they got it from Vattel's definition.



Posted by: teej at March 03, 2016 06:47 PM (2fV9Y)

Cruz's mother is American. He was a citizen at birth whether he was born in Omaha or on the dark side of the moon. He is eligible. That is all.

Posted by: redbanzai at March 03, 2016 06:59 PM (OrI3J)

684 they really suck at stuff, friendly fire is what they do best

Posted by: Ben H at March 03, 2016 07:01 PM (gJEsZ)

685 I'll settle for Power of Attorney. I can wait to come collect up all your stuff. Who's got a good Microwave? Ours is having age problems.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. SSDD at March 03, 2016 07:03 PM (WVsWD)

686 Ace, get with the program.

My point is this; they tried to say that Trump should be stopped because he can't beat Hildabeast. Trump responded with "if I can't beat her, then you're really gonna get killed."

End of argument.

You didn't hear Romney say anything about how we had to stop Trump because he would lose. Romney wants to stop Trump because he can WIN.

If Cruz was the front runner I would have voted for him on Super Tuesday. But now, voting for anyone but Trump is handing the election to Hildabeast.

Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at March 03, 2016 07:04 PM (kfoLf)

687 663 Here is the reality that people need to come to grips with:

(snip)

That is why I laugh when the GOPe uses the conservative arguments on Trump. It is really funny coming from the source.
Posted by: William Eaton at March 03, 2016 06:38 PM (q52Ma)


Great comment. I think the GOPe is terrified that Trump or Cruz will dismantle their elaborate and lucrative network of cronies.

Certainly Trump has used cronyism to his advantage, but it's nearly impossible to succeed in business on a large scale without greasing palms and making campaign contributions, aka "protection money". This state of affairs has come about precisely because government has metastasized to the point where it has seeped into every aspect of our lives.

For decades the GOP has been talking about smaller government, and not only have they done virtually nothing to deliver it, they've often colluded in making it even bigger and more intrusive.

Who knew the rubes actually took that rhetoric seriously, and are suspecting that they've been had?

Posted by: rickl at March 03, 2016 07:06 PM (sdi6R)

688 "But now, voting for anyone but Trump is handing the election to Hildabeast."

Nah not at all. even our worst will beat their best.

In the cards.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. SSDD at March 03, 2016 07:07 PM (WVsWD)

689 Trump is honest. That's all I need to know.

The rest? bought and paid for.

Posted by: Dickie Betts fan at March 03, 2016 07:07 PM (aUQgu)

690 He may not be on "our team" and just pretending, but I know he isn't on "theirs" either.

Posted by: bob at March 03, 2016 06:58 PM (3rX4w)

It may very much depend on who "our" team is. I wouldn't be surprised if displeasure with certain conservative publications ended in layoffs, and if there was a bipartisan house-cleaning after the inauguration.

Posted by: trev006 at March 03, 2016 07:16 PM (MEHba)

691 "Nah not at all. even our worst will beat their best."

Eight months ago I would have agreed with you. The conditions on the ground have changed dramatically.

The GOPe is cracking up. Many Rubio, Cruz and Trump voters will not rally around the flag of the nominee this year.

Only Trump brings in new and cross-over voters. Republicanism and Conservatism do not have convincing arguments. Republicans can't resist grabbing that third rail and Conservatives can't resist insisting on the "Free Trade" that has had such great proven results. <sarc>

This isn't 1980, where the USA was the greatest creditor nation and the biggest exporter of manufactured goods. We have the exact opposite now.

Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at March 03, 2016 07:21 PM (kfoLf)

692 Ace makes a good point about the GOPe not having good ties with the group they would most like to eradicate --a significant chunk of the GOP base...except at election time of course...the base does serve an occasional good purpose--ie giving the ruling elite their victories which begat perks and comfy stuff that make the elite so much better than their voters.

A virtuous cycle if there ever were one.

Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at March 03, 2016 07:26 PM (3ZttN)

693 And the Trumpsters call Mark Levin establishment because he backs Cruz and speaks ill of their fearless leader

Posted by: jimveejr at March 03, 2016 07:30 PM (JNrWe)

694 One argument the anti-Trump people make is that polls show that he would lose to Hillary in the general election. That may be so, but I believe that he is the only possible Republican nominee who may, repeat *may*, win by a landslide. I don't think either Cruz or Rubio could.

But if Trump wins the nomination and loses to Hillary, the GOPe will bear a large share of the blame, with their over-the-top hysterics and "he must be stopped at all costs" rhetoric. They are even resorting to the Democrats' tried and true tactic of accusations of racism and even Nazism.

This is 2010 Delaware writ large.

Posted by: rickl at March 03, 2016 07:31 PM (sdi6R)

695 Ace was the first blogger to open my eyes to the one-sided relationship between the establishment and the base. We get what they give us. They give what we get.

The obvious conclusion is that the GOPe are happy to be the loyal opposition, even if they never again have to take on the dirty job of President of the United States. Better to have the crumbs than the dirty business of taking on their masters.

Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at March 03, 2016 07:35 PM (kfoLf)

696 "And the Trumpsters call Mark Levin establishment because he backs Cruz and speaks ill of their fearless leader"

The problem with Levin is that his show has become a three-hour infomercial for Ted Cruz. He is now following the path of Glenn Beck, but without the funny.

Cruz voted for the Libyan invasion. Cruz voted for the TPP. Cruz supported increasing H1-B visas by 300%.

This is now the three legged stool of Conservatism; War, Free Trade and unbridled immigration. That last one is Republicanism, but it brings in the big GOPe donation money.

Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at March 03, 2016 07:43 PM (kfoLf)

697 The Republicans got elected in the last two elections by making promises they had no intention of keeping. All the establishment Republicans do is service Obama.

Posted by: burt at March 03, 2016 07:45 PM (r1CBK)

698 "Ace was the first blogger to open my eyes to the one-sided relationship between the establishment and the base."
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Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at March 03, 2016 07:35 PM (kfoLf)

Yeah. Same here. This is the last of the conservative blogs I read anymore to be honest. And really it's b/c I don't think Ace is a shill for anyone.

Lurker for the most part - except for special occasions like elections.. and Sharknado.

Posted by: bahabuddha at March 03, 2016 07:48 PM (eZuvD)

699 It's not just the establishment that wins with a Clinton victory. Levin and Limbaugh have four years of good ratings bashing Clinton.

There are other motivations, of course, for these entities but their pocketbooks point to hoping for a Clinton win. The fix is in, folks, and we're all going to get thrown under the bus.

Posted by: East Bay Jay at March 03, 2016 08:04 PM (PvCxa)

700 Palin came from a lower middle class background. She won against corruption. She was taken out by a massive expenditure of time, effort, and money. She was considered so dangerous they sent a guy to write a destroying book about her. They attack her children. She had a TV show that promoted her State. She made a ton of money from Fox news. She can fill a stadium anytime she wants. Tina Fey pales in comparison to her in both looks and talent. I don't want the attacks on my family or myself but Sara Palin's life is the American dream to me and I wish her well. She has done good in the face of evil.

Posted by: scorecard at March 03, 2016 08:09 PM (CRXed)

701 2 Things that republicans say about Cruz that 100% make me sure they parrot establishment talk and don't even know it.

1) He's too Jesus-y for me. That's exactly what the establishment wants you to think so that you'll go for the Jeb, Rubio, or Romney despite their obvious religious expressions.

2) He's establishment... are you f-ing serious?

Plenty there to hit him on, although I don't consider it that much, but those two things blow my mind.

Posted by: Reality Man at March 03, 2016 08:11 PM (Ch0fq)

702 If Clinton is elected she will immediately pass away from her serious illness. The next President will be whoever they have picked for her VP. She is the scapegoat that must be sacrificed for their sins.

Posted by: scorecard at March 03, 2016 08:14 PM (CRXed)

703 ...their pocketbooks...

Rush has so much money that he can't spend it all.
He likes to talk. and he is good at it.

Hillary is the ultimate triangulation. Her and Bill form a new FDR. She is the wheelchair part. Bill the one having sex with children. At least the children aren't his cousins.

Hillary has all the major D groups by the balls. She has to pass away from her illness after her chosen successor is safely in the VP position.

Think of it as a rhyme to The War of the Spanish Succession.

Posted by: scorecard at March 03, 2016 08:22 PM (CRXed)

704 1. All the kings McCain's and all the kings L.Graham s and Frank Lutz couldn't put the gope together again.

2. The left should bee scared shittless by this rising nationalist party not selling out American workers. Dirty secret is without white unions money and marching their people in to vote D. The left has been electorally dead for decades.

Posted by: Shiggz at March 03, 2016 08:32 PM (bdQwB)

705 Duck the left I decide what I think of someone. I've heard Dan quayle is actually a smart decent guy. I saw his son at I think a cpac few years back. Sharp kid. We really let y th left roll us back then.

Posted by: Shiggz at March 03, 2016 08:35 PM (bdQwB)

706 This is late to this thread and maybe it's been covered already, but Daniel Henninger had a great column this morning in the Wall Street Journal on Reagan's 1964 "Time to Choose" speech. http://www.wsj.com/articles/its-time-for-the-speech-1456962064?mod=djemMER One important point that Henninger makes is that Reagan was aspirational as well as inspirational. Reagan didn't pit one against the other- he inspired others to aspire for something better. Henninger also lays to rest the notion that Reagan would be deemed too moderate for today's GOP. Reagan threw out here red meat, but in a way not to divide but to aspire to a common goal. He was a remarkably deep and thoughtful man- no one like him out there today.

Posted by: Yadisneck at March 03, 2016 09:07 PM (k40qI)

707 Ace, your writing is the best man!

You know what would be awesome ...

That's right - TRUMP/PALIN 2016

They'd go down in a fireball, but good god it would be GLORIOUS to hear the establishment shrieking after that announcement! Totally worth the 18 months of HRC until they haul her off to jail.

TRUMP/PALIN 2016 - Let It Burn!

Posted by: ZonToro at March 03, 2016 09:10 PM (82s/V)

708 663 William Eaton

Good comment.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at March 03, 2016 09:11 PM (u82oZ)

709 Why would anyone care what Hannity, Levin, or Limbaugh have to say about any candidate. They are part of the media establishment and have run in political circles so long they should be viewed as tainted. The whole of the media can only be perceived as biased and are run in a way to use the whole D vs. R argument giving people the sense that affiliation matters. Both parties are run by the ultra rich as are the majority of the media companies which is why the Rs have done absolutely nothing to blunt the march toward socialism the D's are pushing. Of course Dubya did the same thing. The ultra rich want socialism and have plotted and executed their plans to achieve it for over a hundred years. They kicked it into high gear in 1913, the year the Fed was created, giving private, international bankers control of Americas monetary system and policies. Fox News was. Created to give conservatives the sense that there was one media group on their side. However, they have exposed their own lie by attacking bother Trump and Cruz and showing their own socialist slant. It's a farce. No news source is giving an accurate depiction of politics if they are not spotlighting the invisible hand that really controls the government and policy. This is reality and the evidence is out there if you're willing to do the research and unlearn what you have learned regarding US history. Follow the MONEY.

Posted by: KauaiGoneGin at March 03, 2016 11:03 PM (uWaQa)

710 "...a certain breed of government-friendly, liberal-assumption-conceding, Upwardly Mobile Middle Class Professional (or Aspriational) Country-Club types?"

That would be UMMPers?

Posted by: iowaan at March 04, 2016 07:37 AM (VuJri)

711 I ifgured out long ago that none of these bastards will ever stand in a supermarket checkout line again and if they know what a gallon of milk or a gallon of gas costs, it's because someone told them. They're not Us. They don't like Us. Fuck 'em.

Posted by: SurferDoc at March 04, 2016 10:03 AM (aOVQw)

712 Saw a remark, whether in this thread or not, complaining, "Who here thinks Donald Trump is a conservative?"

Well... who here thinks the GOP has nominated a conservative presidential candidate since Reagan?

Posted by: Reformed Trombonist at March 04, 2016 02:09 PM (SlABZ)

713 "the same people saying that Trump is the New Hitler are still unwilling to even consider rallying behind Cruz"

Listen to Romney's speech. He clearly states that he is willing to support Cruz if it helps to prevent the nomination of Trump.

Posted by: John F. at March 04, 2016 04:47 PM (fdUIc)

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