In Moscow, the Worst Jihadist Crime This Year

So far.

The details are sick-making. Trigger Warning.

Posted by: Ace at 01:09 PM

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1 Heard about that. Awful.

Posted by: HH at February 29, 2016 01:10 PM (DrCtv)

2 islam is a cancer on the civilized world.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 29, 2016 01:11 PM (8ZskC)

3 Religion of pieces

Posted by: Tim in GA at February 29, 2016 01:11 PM (FNw4R)

4 Not sure if it is less about the jihadi and more about being straight crazy. However, it is difficult to separate the two.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 29, 2016 01:11 PM (iQIUe)

5 Something, something, backlash, something, something.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 29, 2016 01:12 PM (KUaJL)

6 If found sane, she faces up to 20 years. Russia when euroweenie.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 29, 2016 01:12 PM (iQIUe)

7 They will refer to the historical period after the Age of Stupid as the Time of Carpet Bombing (The real kind).

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 29, 2016 01:12 PM (659DL)

8 Who the fuck hired her?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 01:12 PM (mw8Dm)

9 Something tells me we won't see a whole lot of CJ in this post.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 01:13 PM (kTF2Z)

10

yes, sick

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 29, 2016 01:13 PM (qCMvj)

11 What a waste. Planned Parenthood would have paid good money for that head.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 29, 2016 01:13 PM (8ZskC)

12 God bless that child's family.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 29, 2016 01:14 PM (mf5HN)

13 My God. Pookette is three....

*hugs precious little girl*

Posted by: pookysgirl at February 29, 2016 01:14 PM (K27gs)

14 not letting these people immigrate here is not who the democrats are.

Posted by: x at February 29, 2016 01:14 PM (nFwvY)

15 The fuck would hire a Muzz babysitter.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at February 29, 2016 01:14 PM (r9tFS)

16 There are no words.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 29, 2016 01:14 PM (XtAzU)

17 "In Moscow, the Worst Jihadist Crime This Year"

It's only February.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 01:14 PM (oKE6c)

18 The fruits of Islam.

Posted by: Lauren at February 29, 2016 01:14 PM (rrG3v)

19 Uuuuuzzzbeks.

Posted by: SCTV Rocked! at February 29, 2016 01:14 PM (JBggj)

20 Commence pious lectures about "Islamophobia" in

3..
2..
`..

Posted by: OregonMuse at February 29, 2016 01:15 PM (voGAA)

21 Just think, it's only February.

Posted by: Chupacabra at February 29, 2016 01:15 PM (q/kmn)

22 Uncensored video:

https://goo.gl/5wctR9

There is also a clip where she is tackled and drops the poor baby's head and it rolls away.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 29, 2016 01:15 PM (iQIUe)

23
Wanna bet there is no "b-b-b-b-b-but Islamaphobia" and "we must be respectful of the Religion of Peace" hue and cry in Russia.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 29, 2016 01:15 PM (8XRCm)

24 so about the whole "not spying on mosques" thing...

Posted by: Mortimer at February 29, 2016 01:15 PM (ATy0Q)

25 Ace, by "Trigger Warning" do you mean "Squeeze the trigger and kill this bitch?" Because I'd agree with that kind of trigger warning.

Posted by: zombie at February 29, 2016 01:15 PM (jBuUi)

26 4
Not sure if it is less about the jihadi and more about being straight crazy. However, it is difficult to separate the two.

It does not matter, that animal needs to be put down ASAP.

Posted by: Al Swearengen at February 29, 2016 01:16 PM (CyDmO)

27 I was wondering if the parents were Muslim?-The picture of the mother shows a very attractive woman wearing a scarf.

How terrible for them.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 29, 2016 01:16 PM (w4NZ8)

28 Sickening.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 29, 2016 01:16 PM (TJCSB)

29

Let's see how Moscow handles this.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 29, 2016 01:16 PM (qCMvj)

30 trigger warning?

as is warning, have your finger on the trigger when you find her?

i'd assume she had a suicide vest, and cap her from a distance...

Posted by: Curtis LeMay at February 29, 2016 01:16 PM (ISW4H)

31 Hey, not ALL Muslim babysitters behead their charges! /retarded liberal defense of Muslims

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 01:16 PM (oKE6c)

32
Not clicking that link. Ever.
So sick of jihadist animals.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale inc. at February 29, 2016 01:16 PM (1JqUE)

33 So obviously I'd never hire a muslim babysitter, but this also reaffirms my boycott on muslim cabbie, chefs, and doctors.

Posted by: Lauren at February 29, 2016 01:17 PM (rrG3v)

34 Because I'd agree with that kind of trigger warning.
Posted by: zombie at February 29, 2016 01:15 PM (jBuUi)

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Due to the current price of ammunition.... there will be NO warnings shots given.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 29, 2016 01:17 PM (8XRCm)

35 Religion of peace.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 29, 2016 01:17 PM (2PHKP)

36 Yeah,

Let's bring more of these sick fucks in.

Not monitor them.

Give them free shit.

Why not?

Posted by: SMFH at February 29, 2016 01:17 PM (rlfds)

37 Let's see how Moscow handles this.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 29, 2016 01:16 PM (qCMvj)

I would not want to be her life insurance underwriter. The Russkis play hardball.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 01:17 PM (oKE6c)

38 "Uncensored video: "

No way in hell I'll click that link. Poor sweet baby.

Posted by: Lauren at February 29, 2016 01:17 PM (rrG3v)

39 Not sure if it is less about the jihadi and more about being straight crazy.

Gasoline, match. Assembled carefully between the 'calls to prayer'.

Posted by: Mortimer at February 29, 2016 01:17 PM (ATy0Q)

40 Mother looks like she is covering her head muslim style!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 29, 2016 01:18 PM (iQIUe)

41 Quick Europe, let more in.

Posted by: brak at February 29, 2016 01:18 PM (MJuTN)

42 >>According to local reports, she later told police she killed the girl because of her own husband's infidelity.

Well sure, that makes sense.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 29, 2016 01:18 PM (/tuJf)

43 Always a great idea to let a muslim in a trash bag babysit your kid. At least the Russkies know how to handle the Religion of Peace.

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at February 29, 2016 01:18 PM (xWW96)

44 Mother's name is Ekaterina (Catherine).

Posted by: SCTV Rocked! at February 29, 2016 01:18 PM (JBggj)

45 CAIR is already denying that islam had anything to do with next weeks terrorist attack carried out by islamic terrorists.

Don't spy on the mosques though. Knowing that people who want to kill you want to kill you isn't who we are.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah... at February 29, 2016 01:18 PM (WVsWD)

46 types...

considers...

/delete

Posted by: Curtis LeMay at February 29, 2016 01:18 PM (ISW4H)

47 Isn't the real tragedy here the Islamophobia that drove her to behead a small child?

Makes you think.

Posted by: President Obama at February 29, 2016 01:18 PM (TJCSB)

48

girls are worthless in that "religion of peace"

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 29, 2016 01:18 PM (qCMvj)

49 Shortly after the news broke, many Muslim advocacy groups immediately denounced this heinous act.

Posted by: OregonMuse at February 29, 2016 01:18 PM (voGAA)

50 The Russian cops disappoint me.

Posted by: tu3031 at February 29, 2016 01:19 PM (YFFpo)

51 20 years for cutting a kid's head off?

Yeah, that's handling it alright.

Posted by: SMFH at February 29, 2016 01:19 PM (rlfds)

52 Probably someone just out for a stroll. A tourist maybe?

Posted by: Donna; Seriously? at February 29, 2016 01:19 PM (of67s)

53 Not sure if it is less about the jihadi and more about being straight crazy.

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Crazy to us.

Normal to certain percentage of the worlds population.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 29, 2016 01:19 PM (8XRCm)

54 "49 Shortly after the news broke, many Muslim advocacy groups immediately denounced this heinous act."

While simultaneously funding globs jihad.

Posted by: Lauren at February 29, 2016 01:19 PM (rrG3v)

55 wonder if Vlad still has a policy of killing all the family, friends, and neighbors of terrorists? seemed to work pretty effectively for him in the past....

Posted by: the Butcher at February 29, 2016 01:19 PM (AGJqR)

56 She was just looking for the nearest halal bowling alley...

Posted by: Pyrocles at February 29, 2016 01:19 PM (fVOPU)

57 Global.

Posted by: Lauren at February 29, 2016 01:19 PM (rrG3v)

58 49 Shortly after the news broke, many Muslim advocacy groups immediately denounced this heinous act.

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Seriously?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 01:20 PM (kTF2Z)

59 And, I've now officially reached my limit for the day.

Posted by: Chi at February 29, 2016 01:20 PM (B1TZ/)

60 Seriously?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 01:20 PM (kTF2Z)

Probably should've added a /sarc tag.

Posted by: OregonMuse at February 29, 2016 01:21 PM (voGAA)

61 And some people debate WHO and WHAT the enemy is?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 01:21 PM (mw8Dm)

62 The religion of peace strikes again!

Posted by: Bluedog803 at February 29, 2016 01:21 PM (Hysjx)

63 ...she seems nice.

Posted by: Charles Manson at February 29, 2016 01:21 PM (INxoa)

64 Not sure if it is less about the jihadi and more about being straight crazy

A distinction without a difference, methinks.

In any case, LOTS of Muslims who weren't obviously psychotic (by Muslim standards) have gone in for the beheading craze.

So I assume the worst.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 01:21 PM (oKE6c)

65 Yes, very sad.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 29, 2016 01:21 PM (LA7Cm)

66 Obama would classify this a workplace violence.

Posted by: Beorn at February 29, 2016 01:21 PM (dGF4J)

67 4 Not sure if it is less about the jihadi and more about being straight crazy. However, it is difficult to separate the two.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang!

Ummm...

"According to local media, she shouted: 'I hate democracy. I am a terrorist. I want you dead....Eyewitnesses say the woman shouted 'Allahu Akbar' "

Could she make it any clearer?

There is no distinction between "she is crazy" and "She is a jihadist." Islam is a form of madness.

Posted by: zombie at February 29, 2016 01:21 PM (jBuUi)

68 We need to form a broad coalition and avoid the unilateralism of the past.

This just shows that the system is rigged in favor of the intelligent and competent ... er .. I mean the millionaires and billionaires

Posted by: President Sanders at February 29, 2016 01:22 PM (8R8mX)

69 i am so mad at democracy. i will hurt this child.
that'll show you. because..
You guys are mean, and this small defenseless child ..
ok the woman is nuts.

Posted by: willow at February 29, 2016 01:22 PM (L1+sh)

70 many Muslim advocacy groups immediately denounced this heinous act...anonymously.

FTFY

Posted by: Mortimer at February 29, 2016 01:22 PM (ATy0Q)

71 off stoneware sock

Posted by: redc1c4 at February 29, 2016 01:22 PM (ISW4H)

72 The nanny faces up to 20 years in jail if she is deemed psychologically fit to stand trial.

This afternoon, the investigation was taken over by the FSB, Russia's powerful domestic secret service, once headed by Vladimir Putin. Police are not currently treating the incident as terrorism.

LifeNews claimed: 'Investigators suspect that Gulchekhra had manic psychosis developing for a period of time.'

A law enforcement source said the woman was suspected of handling 'explosive elements' at the flat which was engulfed in flames.

But 'it might be an inflammable liquid that she used to set the apartment on fire where she killed four-year-old Nastya M.'

The security services are hunting for the woman's husband. A source said she may have been on 'light drugs'.

Russia's children's rights commissioner Pavel Astakhov called the killing 'Monstrous and inexplicable', urging parents to carefully check on the mental state of nannies when they are hired.

rolling out all of the excuses

there are no "normal" terrorists

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 29, 2016 01:22 PM (qCMvj)

73 Obviously we need to import more islamic au pairs.

For the children.

Because that's who we are.

Posted by: Chamber of Commerce at February 29, 2016 01:22 PM (ZbV+0)

74
.... b-b-b-but the REAL terrorists are Republicans and Conservatives that want to establish a theocracy and do away with our Constitution.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 29, 2016 01:22 PM (8XRCm)

75 Workplace violence. Meh.

Posted by: POTUS Barry at February 29, 2016 01:23 PM (7WVYT)

76 Probably should've added a /sarc tag.

Posted by: OregonMuse at February 29, 2016 01:21 PM (voGAA)

Would of helped.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah... at February 29, 2016 01:23 PM (WVsWD)

77 Not sure if it is less about the jihadi and more about being straight crazy.

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Riddle: What came first, the crazy or the jihadi?

The woman is crazy in the same sense and for the same reason as the Tsarnaev(sp?) mom.

Poor, little child...

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at February 29, 2016 01:23 PM (pVkEV)

78 Not sure if it is less about the jihadi and more about being straight crazy >>>

The murder maybe. The parading proudly after all jihadi.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 29, 2016 01:23 PM (XtAzU)

79 But if you think there ought to be a temporary halt to Muslim immigration, you get called a racist.

Posted by: cool breeze at February 29, 2016 01:23 PM (ckvus)

80 Is beheading covered under Fredocare?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 01:23 PM (mw8Dm)

81 There is no distinction between "she is crazy" and "She is a jihadist." Islam is a form of madness.
Posted by: zombie at February 29, 2016 01:21 PM (jBuUi)

I notice it has that in common with leftardism.

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at February 29, 2016 01:23 PM (xWW96)

82 wow, that's pretty awful.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 01:23 PM (lVU49)

83 Posted by: Beorn at February 29, 2016 01:21 PM (dGF4J)

Yes; He probably would.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 29, 2016 01:23 PM (w4NZ8)

84 The sad part is that if this happened in Washington, the name cast of characters would be warning about the backlash. Islam May be a death cult, but PC is right there with it.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 01:23 PM (kTF2Z)

85 She was probably very friendly. She smiled and said hello to everyone. More than likely she publically praised the Russian government and how fair it was compared to the ME. It could be the story of every muzzie here in the U.S.

Then one day.......everything changes.

Posted by: Soona at February 29, 2016 01:24 PM (Fmupd)

86 Shouting "I hate democracy! I am a terrorist!" Is sort of a sign.

Posted by: Lauren at February 29, 2016 01:24 PM (rrG3v)

87 But if you think there ought to be a temporary halt to Muslim immigration, you get called a racist.
Posted by: cool breeze at February 29, 2016 01:23 PM (ckvus)

I do each and every day and damn proud of it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 01:24 PM (mw8Dm)

88 Freakin' psych religion that makes you channel your anger at your husband by beheading a child and screaming "God is great!!"

No more of this "religion of peace" shinola.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 29, 2016 01:24 PM (NOIQH)

89 The Age of Stupid:

Roomful of Hollywood millionaires agree that racism is bad. The president of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Science is for good stuff and against bad stuff. Chris Rock asks black moviegoers if they have seen "white movies." No, he did not include The Force Awakens, because that would show that black moviegoers don't see the one that grossed two billion dollars worldwide. I seem to recall when this was a marketing question and not a racial one. Otherwise, I want to know if Leo DeCaprio has seen all of Tyler Perry's Madea flicks.

MEANWHILE...we can't be legally sure that genocide of Arab and black Christians is, you know...genocide.

Psst...the alleged killer of the white cop in Virginia is black. And active duty military. What is BLM to do?

And we continue to act as if accumulation of fiat currency printed by central banks in vast floods of wishful thinking is "production."

And now, the latest installment from the "Religion of Peace" Chronicles.

Hey, have we found out yet of Hillary is getting into her plane with a chair lift? Or are we saving all that for an October reveal of how "brave" she is in the face of illness?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 29, 2016 01:24 PM (659DL)

90 Killer said "I hate democracy."

What does that have to do with Russia?

If she doesn't like Russia, why didn't she get on a plane and fly her evil self back to whatever islamist shithole she crawled out of?

I'm really sick of these idiots.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at February 29, 2016 01:24 PM (df5V4)

91 Obviously we need to import more islamic au pairs.
For the children.>>>

Or Australian Dingos.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 29, 2016 01:24 PM (XtAzU)

92

reason #3909239902 that Trump will win

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 29, 2016 01:25 PM (qCMvj)

93 I would hope that the Russkis will do what the used to do under circumstances like this, give the animal "the noodle" (that's a 9mm slug in the back of the head).

I can't look at that video. Won't look at it. The idea of doing something like that to an innocent child....words fail me....

Posted by: The Oort Cloud - Source of all SMODs at February 29, 2016 01:25 PM (2Bjv9)

94 She had not intended to ignite the flat deliberately and destroy evidence, she said, according to the source, and wanted the parents to know who had killed their daughter.

Why the hell was she taken alive.

Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at February 29, 2016 01:25 PM (mEZce)

95 When we were in Saudi, we were told constantly by other Westerners-the Saudis/Muslims revere children, they love and protect them, you don't have to worry about your child.

My babysitter, who was Filipina, told me-do not let your blond/red headed, blue eyed children out of your sight. The Saudi men will take them and rape them.

I believed her, rather than the Westerners.

Posted by: Moki at February 29, 2016 01:25 PM (7q2ch)

96 reason #3909239902 that Trump will win
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 29, 2016 01:25 PM (qCMvj)

Actually yeah...Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 01:25 PM (mw8Dm)

97 I'd never hire a beburqaed woman to be a babysitter.

Posted by: logprof at February 29, 2016 01:26 PM (CPUJk)

98 Shouting "I hate democracy! I am a terrorist!" Is sort of a sign.

It should result in a little red dot just before the impact.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 29, 2016 01:26 PM (659DL)

99 >>There is no distinction between "she is crazy" and "She is a jihadist." Islam is a form of madness.

THIS

Islam fosters outrage.
It does not require its followers to control themselves and find inner peace; it's about outer anger and violence.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 29, 2016 01:26 PM (NOIQH)

100 Then one day.......everything changes.

It's almost like she spends her life surrounded by a group that is filled with voices commanding her to resolve her problems in this life by killing the enemies of her death-god in a spectacular, gory fashion.

Almost.

Posted by: Mortimer at February 29, 2016 01:26 PM (ATy0Q)

101 We're going to start a Go-Fund-Me page to get this woman a home right next to the Obama's retirement home (at TBD).

Posted by: James T Kirk at February 29, 2016 01:26 PM (ugwJg)

102 *shrugs*

Posted by: Peter Singer at February 29, 2016 01:27 PM (0mRoj)

103 if this happened in the US, would it be sufficient evidence to give her mosque a second look?

Asking for a friend.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks, proudly wearing the 'Andrew Branca Called You An Asshat' label at February 29, 2016 01:27 PM (PFy0L)

104 Maybe the family had thrown a baby shower for her. Bastards.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 01:27 PM (oKE6c)

105 >>When we were in Saudi, we were told constantly by other Westerners-the
Saudis/Muslims revere children, they love and protect them, you don't
have to worry about your child.

Riiiiiight. Which is why there are child brides and open, accepted pedophilia/abuse of minors.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 29, 2016 01:27 PM (NOIQH)

106 IIRC, Putin's special forces killed most of the civilians in the Dubrovka theater siege. Putin doesn't even mind killing civilians to go after what he termed "two legged beasts". Not exactly someone to fuck with.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 29, 2016 01:27 PM (2PHKP)

107 Help us John Cary! "She's not supposed to be doing that."

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 29, 2016 01:27 PM (xq1UY)

108 The monsterous bitch should be broken on the wheel, set on fire, and doused in pig's blood before being buried in a land fill.

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at February 29, 2016 01:27 PM (xWW96)

109 Atticus Finch would have dropped this rabid dog from three blocks away.

Russia manufactured tens of millions of Mosins; is there not one true Russian left to put one to use on this woman?

Posted by: Qoheleth at February 29, 2016 01:28 PM (iIzG7)

110 A group of male Muslim rapefugees made it as far north as Norway, where they immediately began to assault local Norwegian women.

With Norway not being part of the EU, hence not signatory to the "resettlement" mandates, and Norway already having endured a Muslim immigrant rape epidemic, and with a conservative-ish prime minister, the rapefugees were told to get lost, pronto.

They figured they would cross over into Russia and try their luck in Murmansk. Where on their first night, they went to nightclubs and started assaulting Russian women.

The male Russian patrons dragged the Muslim men outside and beat the living shit out of them. Someone called the Murmansk cops. Who showed up and then themselves also jumped in and beat the shit out of the Muslims a second time, then hauled every last man jack of them (every last man Abdul?) off to the cell block. No charges were filed against the Russian men who had defended their womenfolk against the "newcomers".

Strong horse. Weak horse. The muzzies just came across a strong horse and got a horse kick right in the jawline.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 01:28 PM (noWW6)

111 The sad part is that if this happened in Washington...
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It'd be two days before the police released the name of the suspect, and a year later they'd still be baffled about her motive

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 29, 2016 01:28 PM (ZbV+0)

112 Those Russians - always gotta be top of the Pop!

Posted by: Dave at February 29, 2016 01:28 PM (kH/If)

113 What will we do? Try to tell people? Try to show this to people? What can possibly crack the ice around the casual progressive's mind? Will it take another 9/11?

If we continue tolerating this we will set the stage for another world war. I hope it isn't already too late.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 01:29 PM (xuouz)

114 I'm sure Fox will be too busy covering Marco's latest witty zingers to cover this.

Posted by: tommylotto at February 29, 2016 01:29 PM (A3a8d)

115 Remember the VaJayJay bombers? It seems so long ago...

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 29, 2016 01:29 PM (iQIUe)

116 Yeah, well, what about Abraham and Isaac and the British in Malaya in the '50s?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 29, 2016 01:30 PM (Nwg0u)

117 "The male Russian patrons dragged the Muslim men outside and beat the living shit out of them."

This warms my cold, dead heart.

Posted by: Lauren at February 29, 2016 01:30 PM (rrG3v)

118 reason #3909239902 that Trump will win
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Yeah, I think once there's an actual American in the White House again, we're going to find we have more interests in common with Russia than opposed.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 29, 2016 01:30 PM (ZbV+0)

119 103 if this happened in the US, would it be sufficient evidence to give her mosque a second look?
____________________

Of course not! We can't be looking for terrorists among the muzzie population. That would be raaaaaacist and islamophobic and xenophobic and all that other shit.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at February 29, 2016 01:30 PM (df5V4)

120 They figured they would cross over into Russia and
try their luck in Murmansk. Where on their first night, they went to
nightclubs and started assaulting Russian women.

The male
Russian patrons dragged the Muslim men outside and beat the living shit
out of them. Someone called the Murmansk cops. Who showed up and then
themselves also jumped in and beat the shit out of the Muslims a second
time, then hauled every last man jack of them (every last man Abdul?)
off to the cell block. No charges were filed against the Russian men who
had defended their womenfolk against the "newcomers".

Strong horse. Weak horse. The muzzies just came across a strong horse and got a horse kick right in the jawline.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 01:28 PM (noWW6)

I love a feel-good story. Thanks for sharing.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 01:30 PM (oKE6c)

121 A group of male Muslim rapefugees made it as far north as Norway, where they immediately began to assault local Norwegian women.

With Norway not being part of the EU, hence not signatory to the "resettlement" mandates, and Norway already having endured a Muslim immigrant rape epidemic, and with a conservative-ish prime minister, the rapefugees were told to get lost, pronto.

They figured they would cross over into Russia and try their luck in Murmansk. Where on their first night, they went to nightclubs and started assaulting Russian women.

The male Russian patrons dragged the Muslim men outside and beat the living shit out of them. Someone called the Murmansk cops. Who showed up and then themselves also jumped in and beat the shit out of the Muslims a second time, then hauled every last man jack of them (every last man Abdul?) off to the cell block. No charges were filed against the Russian men who had defended their womenfolk against the "newcomers".

Strong horse. Weak horse. The muzzies just came across a strong horse and got a horse kick right in the jawline.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 01:28 PM (noWW6)

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Wonder if thats even possible to happen in the States.

I mean, yeah, I can see a bunch of locals pounding the snot out of a bunch of Achmeds that serially groped their girlfriends.

I cant see the entire media world and the authorities giving the locals a pass and instead making THEM out to be the bad guys.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 29, 2016 01:31 PM (8XRCm)

122 @ 11
Thread Winner!

Posted by: captain obvious at February 29, 2016 01:31 PM (VDovR)

123 Labor dispute in Russia..... nothing to see here....

Look! Trump is a KKK loving Nazi!

Posted by: MSM at February 29, 2016 01:31 PM (RK8AH)

124 FOX News online already covered it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 29, 2016 01:31 PM (w4NZ8)

125 Islam fosters outrage.
It does not require its followers to control themselves and find inner peace; it's about outer anger and violence.

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Agree, Lizzy. This is also ringing a bell somewhere within the recesses of my brain. If only I could put my finger on it...

Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at February 29, 2016 01:31 PM (pVkEV)

126 It's comforting to regard her as crazy, but by Islamic standards, she's not.

This is normal behavior for them.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 29, 2016 01:31 PM (/f6Nd)

127 Not sure if it is less about the jihadi and more about being straight crazy.

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If a Muslim isn't crazy he's not doing it right.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 29, 2016 01:31 PM (Nwg0u)

128 I a related Story that ChemJeff would love:

FBI, under Islamic pressure, waters down anti-terror site

Muslims complain that site could 'stigmatize and increase bullying of Muslim students,' leading FBI to remove any references to Islam.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 01:31 PM (mw8Dm)

129 Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 01:28 PM (noWW6)

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I love a happy ending.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 01:32 PM (kTF2Z)

130 116 Yeah, well, what about Abraham and Isaac and the British in Malaya in the '50s?
Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 29, 2016 01:30 PM (Nwg0u)

See my new book: "The British in Malaya in the 50s - How To Deal With A Problem"

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 01:32 PM (oKE6c)

131 If we continue tolerating this we will set the stage for another world war. I hope it isn't already too late.

Tolerate what? Beheading children? No sane person tolerates that.

Tolerating Islam? I don't know, I thought we were beyond the idea of having "approved" and "unapproved" religions in this country.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 01:32 PM (lVU49)

132 Islam... NOTHING good has ever come out of it.

It is WAYYYY past time we start shooting these sick fucks on sight.

No more excuses. No more "Silent majority" no.. FUCK YOU ALL. You barbaric shit bags had your chance for thousands of years to get your shit together and join a civilized world.

ISLAM is the leading cause of death worldwide as far as I'm concerned and I would not shed a single bloody tear if all of its followers suddenly stopped existing.

This is life or death and right now we are dying by a thousand paper cuts from these sub-human pieces of GARBAGE.

Nuke em all

fuck em

Posted by: Triple Twenty at February 29, 2016 01:32 PM (ficNf)

133 "IIRC, Putin's special forces killed most of the civilians in the Dubrovka theater siege."

Most of the people who died did so from overdoses of the chemical incapacitant that was pumped into the theater. It's apparently top secret and allotted only to the "Alfa" internal special ops group which reports directly to the Kremlin.

People with severely depressed respiratory function were taken to the local emergency department, which didn't know quite how to treat them, and the Alfa commander refused to describe what the chemical agent had been.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 01:32 PM (noWW6)

134 But if you think there ought to be a temporary halt to Muslim immigration,

Reality keeps nominating Trump. Not as a solution, just as too #$%^ obvious for the rest of our political management class to grasp.

Posted by: DaveA at February 29, 2016 01:32 PM (DL2i+)

135 "The male Russian patrons dragged the Muslim men outside and beat the living shit out of them."

This warms my cold, dead heart.

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The cops joining in on the ass-whupping before hauling their goat-moolesting asses off to jail made me giggle.

Posted by: SMFH at February 29, 2016 01:33 PM (rlfds)

136 Muslims complain that site could 'stigmatize and increase bullying of Muslim students,' leading FBI to remove any references to Islam.

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PC is a death cult.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 01:33 PM (kTF2Z)

137 Chemjeff,

The time has arrived when one should admit that the religion itself is the problem.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 29, 2016 01:34 PM (659DL)

138 "Investigators immediately ordered a psychiatric test of the woman in a bid to understand her motives"

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MAYBE SHE'LL DO SOMETHING CRAZY

Posted by: Bigby's Punchbug Blue at February 29, 2016 01:34 PM (3ZtZW)

139 >>Tolerate what? Beheading children? No sane person tolerates that.

And yet how long have ISIS and Boko Haram been murdering people in this manner (and worse) at this level?

Only the location of the crime is shocking.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 29, 2016 01:34 PM (NOIQH)

140
Tolerating Islam? I don't know, I thought we were beyond the idea of having "approved" and "unapproved" religions in this country.

Hi.

Posted by: IRS at February 29, 2016 01:34 PM (ATy0Q)

141
Soooo, how's that whole "multicultural" thingy working out?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 29, 2016 01:34 PM (LUgeY)

142 The time has arrived when one should admit that the religion itself is the problem.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 29, 2016 01:34 PM (659DL)

That time came a long long long time ago

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 01:34 PM (mw8Dm)

143 Strong horse. Weak horse. The muzzies just came across a strong horse and got a horse kick right in the jawline.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 01:28 PM (noWW6)

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I just finished reading an article about the Norwegian expulsion of the Muslims who had crossed the Arctic border. One interesting factoid is that the Russians do not allow people to cross the border on foot. The 5,500 (mostly) Syrian Muslms rode bicycles into Norway.

Posted by: mrp at February 29, 2016 01:34 PM (JBggj)

144 Tolerating Islam? I don't know, I thought we were
beyond the idea of having "approved" and "unapproved" religions in this
country.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 01:32 PM (lVU49)

Damn straight! We're building our temple to the sun and sharpening our obsidian knives right now!

Posted by: The Aztecs at February 29, 2016 01:34 PM (oKE6c)

145 But if you think there ought to be a temporary halt to Muslim immigration

Do you mean "temporary halt to immigration from majority-Muslim countries"? Or do you mean "temporary halt to immigration of any Muslim from any country"?

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 01:34 PM (lVU49)

146 Not sure if it is less about the jihadi and more about being straight crazy. However, it is difficult to separate the two.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 29, 2016 01:11 PM (iQIUe)

When muzzies go crazy, there seems to be a characteristic modality to it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 29, 2016 01:35 PM (afR/C)

147 "Shortly after the news broke, many Muslim advocacy groups immediately denounced this heinous act.
Posted by: OregonMuse at February 29, 2016 01:18 PM (voGAA)"

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So what? Mission accomplished anyway, people will now be afraid of the walking tents as well as the bearded ones.

Posted by: Decaf at February 29, 2016 01:35 PM (KAB75)

148 Damn straight! We're building our temple to the sun and sharpening our obsidian knives right now!

Posted by: The Aztecs at February 29, 2016 01:34 PM (oKE6c)
if you want to worship the Sun, go right ahead.
if you kill someone, then you are guilty of a crime. Not your whole religion, you.

simple enough?

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 01:35 PM (lVU49)

149 Dear God in Heaven. Rest in peace, poor baby.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 29, 2016 01:36 PM (FsuaD)

150 Meanwhile back at the ranch...

While eating lunch I read an article that The Economist (is it really owned by the Rothschilds and a global Italian corporation) and the CFR (you know, that group whose stated goal is doing away with national sovereignty) have come out slamming Trump.
They want Rubio, Romney or the cackling witch.

I'm pretty sure they'd settle for Cruz... what with his Goldman Sachs and CFR ties.
H1B visas for everybody.

Back to work.

Posted by: teej at February 29, 2016 01:36 PM (taYhJ)

151 Look at those republicans, frightened of widows and orphans. Fraidy cats!

- The President of the United States

Posted by: chique d'afrique at February 29, 2016 01:36 PM (Mt8T4)

152 Tolerating Islam? I don't know, I thought we were beyond the idea of
having "approved" and "unapproved" religions in this country.
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No, you've just chosen to make shit up because you don't want to accept theat "Freedom of Religion" is only about Christians of various factions getting along. And to the extent anyone else agrees with the notion, them too.

mohammadans don't agree.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 29, 2016 01:36 PM (ZbV+0)

153 No way does the punishment fit the crime. If there's any country that I think would be tough on crime I'd imagine Russia first.

Twenty freaking years? She'd still be young enough to kill again.

Posted by: mega machines at February 29, 2016 01:36 PM (fbovC)

154 "I thought we were beyond the idea of having "approved" and "unapproved" religions in this country."

Islam teaches nothing but death and destruction. To freely choose it speaks very poorly of an individual.

Posted by: Lauren at February 29, 2016 01:36 PM (rrG3v)

155 The naivete is strong in this one...

Posted by: Darth Mortimer at February 29, 2016 01:37 PM (ATy0Q)

156 if you want to worship the Sun, go right ahead.
if you kill someone, then you are guilty of a crime. Not your whole religion, you.

simple enough?

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 01:35 PM (lVU49)

But killing people is an intrinsic part of our religion! If we don't eviscerate people, the Sun will not smile on us! H8ter!

Posted by: The Aztecs at February 29, 2016 01:37 PM (oKE6c)

157 you don't want to accept theat "Freedom of Religion" is only about Christians of various factions getting along

sorry I seemed to miss that part of the First Amendment that said "Christians only"

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 01:37 PM (lVU49)

158 find we have more interests in common with Russia than opposed.

Not really, sometimes the enemy of my enemy is still a murdering imperialist crook.

Posted by: DaveA at February 29, 2016 01:37 PM (DL2i+)

159 >>"Investigators immediately ordered a psychiatric test of the woman in a bid to understand her motives"

WTF - do they need a diagram?

She was angry at her husband and likely felt helpless. Her religion taught her that murdering infidels is empowering and ensures a place in heaven (or wherever they get their jihadi reward). So...she killed the closest, easiest infidel, and she waited until the parents left w/their older child, so she sure as heck knew what she was doing.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 29, 2016 01:37 PM (NOIQH)

160 Islam is not just a religion. It is a political and legal system that is wholly incompatible with the US constitution. Want to pray? Fine. Want Sharia? GTFO.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 01:37 PM (kTF2Z)

161 It is our understanding that the little girl allowed a little boy to play doctor.

so...justified.

Posted by: CAIR at February 29, 2016 01:38 PM (h/uSM)

162 "According to local media, she shouted: 'I hate democracy. I am a terrorist. I want you dead....Eyewitnesses say the woman shouted 'Allahu Akbar' "

Could she make it any clearer?

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How do we know she didn't have her fingers crossed?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 29, 2016 01:38 PM (Nwg0u)

163 95, Moki - the Filipinos know the score in Saudi. They are little more than slaves. And they like to confide in Americans. It's very sad.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at February 29, 2016 01:38 PM (/WPPJ)

164 Chemjeff, you do realize that if/when one of your nice, friendly salt of the earth Muslim students go sudden jihadi that you're going to get an epic "We told you so?" Assuming you survive, of course.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 01:38 PM (oKE6c)

165 After any muslim atrocity, the next thing that happens are claims of abuse.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 29, 2016 01:38 PM (iQIUe)

166 I'm going to clear my head and take a walk.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 29, 2016 01:39 PM (FsuaD)

167 "Not your whole religion, you."

That's not how it works. Freedom of religious expression is not absolute. If your religion teaches that you must kill unbelievers, it is entirely constitutional to prohibit expression of that religion.

Posted by: Lauren at February 29, 2016 01:39 PM (rrG3v)

168 >>if you want to worship the Sun, go right ahead.
if you kill someone, then you are guilty of a crime. Not your whole religion, you.

>>simple enough?

Not really. If you belong to a religion that teaches you that violence is a solution to what your religion claims is a crime you might just be part of a criminal conspiracy.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 29, 2016 01:39 PM (/tuJf)

169 84 The sad part is that if this happened in Washington, the name cast of characters would be warning about the backlash. Islam May be a death cult, but PC is right there with it.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 01:23 PM (kTF2Z)

The only way "the name cast of characters" will ever admit who the real enemies are will be if their own children and families become targets. And it would have to happen more than once.

However, like the anti-gun Hollywood stars with armed guards, they are pretty well insulated from the results of their policies. If stuff like this happens to the little people, they don't care.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at February 29, 2016 01:39 PM (u0lmX)

170 118 reason #3909239902 that Trump will win
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Yeah, I think once there's an actual American in the White House again, we're going to find we have more interests in common with Russia than opposed.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 29, 2016 01:30 PM (ZbV+0)

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The WH right now is doing it's best to start a world war. I think the only saving grace is a world thinking we might get another "crazy cowboy" in Trump who has at least given the impression that he won't let this nation be pushed around anymore. We shall see.

Posted by: Soona at February 29, 2016 01:39 PM (Fmupd)

171 But killing people is an intrinsic part of our religion! If we don't eviscerate people, the Sun will not smile on us! H8ter!

Posted by: The Aztecs at February 29, 2016 01:37 PM (oKE6c)
Actually, the libertarian in me says that if a person gives consent to being killed in a ritual sacrifice, then it should be legal.
But otherwise - no, murder is right out. It is the murder that is the crime, not the religion. see how that works?

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 01:39 PM (lVU49)

172 So obviously I'd never hire a muslim babysitter

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How will you guys like it when nobody will hire an evangelical babysitter, hanh? Never thought about that, didja?

Posted by: Bigby's Punchbug Blue at February 29, 2016 01:39 PM (3ZtZW)

173 Time to remind us?...
After 9/11 Bush declared war on Muslim extremists everywhere... except those fighting Russians.
Remember those pitiful Chechneyans? They were killing Russian schoolchildren before 9/11.
The Rooskies have been at this longer than us, and we should have been coordinating with them (MHOO) long ago.
Lauren talked about not doing business with them. That's a big step one.

Posted by: MarkY at February 29, 2016 01:39 PM (i022r)

174 Technically, I think Obama's allies over in ISIS have actually done worse to kids this year...but there isn't video of it circulating around...

Posted by: 18-1 at February 29, 2016 01:39 PM (X7E8f)

175 The problem is the Koran.

Posted by: Feh at February 29, 2016 01:40 PM (JOWmw)

176 Chemjeff, I'm finding it hard to understand your difficulty in grasping that Islam is not like other world religious today and that its goal is absolute conquest.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at February 29, 2016 01:40 PM (mBYZv)

177 Sad. Yet another peaceful Muslim driven to jihad by our Guantanamo atrocity.

Posted by: MLCross at February 29, 2016 01:40 PM (D6lM8)

178 Not really. If you belong to a religion that teaches
you that violence is a solution to what your religion claims is a crime
you might just be part of a criminal conspiracy.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 29, 2016 01:39 PM (/tuJf)
to be a part of a "criminal conspiracy" means that the person has to take deliberate action to advance that criminal activity, not simply sit idly in a mosque listening to some imam.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 01:40 PM (lVU49)

179
**types**

**deletes**

Posted by: fixerupper at February 29, 2016 01:40 PM (8XRCm)

180 The "problem" with this tolerance for all religions concept is that ... for the first time ... we've actually got a religion that consistently encourages direct personal harm to non-believers.

So yeah ... fuck their religious liberty. Like so many other things, we're at a time of choosing here.

If you're not with me, you're against me.

Posted by: Irony at February 29, 2016 01:40 PM (BHaRb)

181 This is NOTHING compared with the horrors of waterboarding helpless ISIS terrorists. NOTHING.

The Nazi, Evil, Nazi Trump must be stopped if we want to be safe from the horrific scourge of harshly interrogating terrorists.

Posted by: George Will at February 29, 2016 01:41 PM (vClpM)

182 I guess some people here don't get it when the murder is done in the name of religion and sanctioned by religious leaders?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 01:41 PM (mw8Dm)

183 Posted by: mrp at February 29, 2016 01:34 PM (JBggj)

Which means *someone* gave them those thousands of bikes.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at February 29, 2016 01:41 PM (GDulk)

184 Furiously checking Moscow Zillow for potential new mosque site

Posted by: CAIR at February 29, 2016 01:41 PM (h/uSM)

185 find we have more interests in common with Russia than opposed
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Vlad is a run of the mill strong man the US has dealt with (in both senses of the term) forever...

Islamism is...something different.

Posted by: 18-1 at February 29, 2016 01:42 PM (X7E8f)

186 Just for fun, since reason has no place in the world anymore, I'm going to try the liberal logic.

People who believe in gun rights are bad because people with guns kill people. We should make guns illegal and imprison everyone who owns a gun... for the children.

Ok.

People who believe in Islam have killed more people people who believe in gun rights. Can we make Islam illegal and imprison everyone who believes in Islam?

Posted by: Damiano at February 29, 2016 01:42 PM (XItbt)

187 see how that works?>>>

You do know these three words used together are not a magic right?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 29, 2016 01:42 PM (XtAzU)

188 Ever hear the expression "fiddled while Rome burned"? Seems that is what some people here are doing, well that and intellectual mastrubation

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 01:42 PM (mw8Dm)

189 Actually, the libertarian in me says that if a person gives consent to
being killed in a ritual sacrifice, then it should be legal.
But otherwise - no, murder is right out. It is the murder that is the crime, not the religion. see how that works?

Not a good tack to take. I consider libertarianism as sophomoric dorm room philosophizing.

But if the religion - and its representatives, the clergy - advocate that the faithful commit murder, and then the faithful comply, the clergy are criminals, as accessaries before the fact. See how THAT works?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 01:42 PM (oKE6c)

190 My punishment would be having her dragged behind a boat off the coast of South Africa during the filming of 'Shark Week'.

Here fishy fishy....

Posted by: Preznit Trump at February 29, 2016 01:42 PM (UhRGU)

191 Accessories

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 01:42 PM (oKE6c)

192 Islam is not just a religion. It is a political and legal system that is wholly incompatible with the US constitution. Want to pray? Fine. Want Sharia? GTFO.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 01:37 PM (kTF2Z)

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And islam without sharia is, well, not islam.

Posted by: Soona at February 29, 2016 01:43 PM (Fmupd)

193 sorry I seemed to miss that part of the First Amendment that said "Christians only"
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It's in the Declaration of Independence as you have been informed. Our rights are given by God, our Creator. You can only be one of us if you are in mutual defense with us. Which means whatever god you claim must agree to dole out the same rights as ours for us to be compatible.

allah does not.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 29, 2016 01:43 PM (ZbV+0)

194 31 Hey, not ALL Muslim babysitters behead their charges! /retarded liberal defense of Muslims

Posted by: Jay Guevara

Don't think of it as cutting off a head. Think of it as cutting off the rest of the body.

Posted by: Barry Obama at February 29, 2016 01:43 PM (kfcYC)

195 What religion's founder was directly quoted as 'render under Caesar that which is Caesar's' and what religion's founder was directly quoted as 'kill the unbelievers' -- which is civilized and which is not.

Posted by: mustbequantum at February 29, 2016 01:43 PM (MIKMs)

196 >>to be a part of a "criminal conspiracy" means that the person has to take deliberate action to advance that criminal activity, not simply sit idly in a mosque listening to some imam.

1) I don't know that to be true.

B) So what? Arrest the people who are taking deliberate action and keep a damn good watch on those who are sitting idly by listening to the imam.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 29, 2016 01:43 PM (/tuJf)

197 I don't think I've ever seen someone try harder to not get the point.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 01:43 PM (kTF2Z)

198 176
Chemjeff, I'm finding it hard to understand your difficulty in grasping
that Islam is not like other world religious today and that its goal is
absolute conquest.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at February 29, 2016 01:40 PM (mBYZv)
Actions that advance a political goal should be evaluated on their merits. I don't favor Muslim conquest of this country. I also value my freedom of conscience to believe what I wish. I don't care if Muslims believe I am an apostate that should be beheaded. They are free to believe what they like. I only wish to punish actual illegal behavior. Same as everyone else.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 01:43 PM (lVU49)

199 to be a part of a "criminal conspiracy" means that
the person has to take deliberate action to advance that criminal
activity, not simply sit idly in a mosque listening to some imam.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 01:40 PM (lVU49)

You mean like the imam advocating the criminal activity? That sort of deliberate action?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 01:44 PM (oKE6c)

200 So I guess the lesson is: don't hire Muslims. Don't rent to Muslims. Don't associate with Muslims.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 29, 2016 01:44 PM (39g3+)

201 Actually, the libertarian in me says that if a person gives consent to being killed in a ritual sacrifice, then it should be legal.

Yeah I'm sure that's what happened here.

Later, folks. I'm out.

No words.

Posted by: Mortimer at February 29, 2016 01:44 PM (ATy0Q)

202 She was clearly protesting a YouTube video.

Don't worry, we'll get the person who made the video. The people chopping heads off? Not so much.

Posted by: Damiano at February 29, 2016 01:44 PM (XItbt)

203 Not really, sometimes the enemy of my enemy is still a murdering imperialist crook.
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In a world war with islam, America and Russia are going to be on the same side eventually. Might as well start there this time around.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 29, 2016 01:44 PM (ZbV+0)

204 **types**

**deletes**
Posted by: fixerupper at February 29, 2016 01:40 PM (8XRCm)

A number of times.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 01:44 PM (xuouz)

205 Psst...the alleged killer of the white cop in Virginia is black. And active duty military. What is BLM to do?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 29, 2016 01:24 PM (659DL)

I noticed the church shooting in Dayton isn't getting a lot of play, either. When the news broke there was a lot of "white racist terrorists!" screeching. Not so much now that it's known that the shooter was the pastor's mentally ill brother.

Posted by: Country Singer at February 29, 2016 01:44 PM (8Y7+f)

206 Qur'an 2:191: And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

Nice "religion" Right?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah... at February 29, 2016 01:45 PM (WVsWD)

207 And yet Russia doesn't have a death penalty. I think Chikitilo was the last guy they executed in like 1994. It's bizarre frankly that it hasn't been reestablished given Putin's temperament.

Posted by: Naes at February 29, 2016 01:45 PM (Ypc8j)

208 Anyone attending a mosque is openly supporting an ideology that demands killing us all.

Posted by: Lauren at February 29, 2016 01:45 PM (rrG3v)

209 Actually, the libertarian in me says that if a person gives consent to being killed in a ritual sacrifice, then it should be legal.
But otherwise - no, murder is right out. It is the murder that is the crime, not the religion. see how that works?
Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 01:39 PM (lVU49

chem, the religion gives consent , not 1300 years ago, It's still a Go for that religion to kill those that insult you your religion , your ideology.

Posted by: willow at February 29, 2016 01:45 PM (L1+sh)

210 194 31 Hey, not ALL Muslim babysitters behead their charges! /retarded liberal defense of Muslims
Posted by: Jay Guevara
Don't think of it as cutting off a head. Think of it as cutting off the rest of the body.
Posted by: Barry Obama at February 29, 2016 01:43 PM (kfcYC)

It's promoting diversity! The diversity of geographical location of the various body parts!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 01:45 PM (oKE6c)

211 What does that have to do with Russia?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at February 29, 2016 01:24 PM (df5V4)

Russia is a democracy, with 4 main political parties... all holding seats in their legislature.Their government has Two houses of Legislators... one directly elected (like our House of Representatives) the other directly appointed by the individual Russian States (like our Senate USED to be).Or, in other words... they took the plan of our original Founders... they plan that was sooooo successful until we messed with it... and used it...
Also note, that they have what is essentially a Bill of Rights.... which includes that their PHONE CONVERSATIONS are private...These are not the communists from the 50's... at least on paper we have quite a bit in common with them.

Posted by: MSM at February 29, 2016 01:46 PM (RK8AH)

212 Actually, the libertarian in me says that if a person gives consent to
being killed in a ritual sacrifice, then it should be legal.

I recall the docent at Tenochtitlan saying the big problem with the consecration of that pyramid was turning away all the volunteers to be sacrificed.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks, proudly wearing the 'Andrew Branca Called You An Asshat' label at February 29, 2016 01:46 PM (PFy0L)

213 "Convert to Islam, and then you will be safe, for if you don't, you should know that I have come to you with an army of men that love death, as you love life." Caliph Abu Bakr, Mohammed's Successor

Nice huh? Maybe he was just joking?

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah... at February 29, 2016 01:46 PM (WVsWD)

214 Someone should tell Putin that she said mean things about him. She'd be poisoned within the hour.

Posted by: Raspitun at February 29, 2016 01:46 PM (7erVl)

215 I don't favor Muslim conquest of this country.

LOL; Well, that's encouraging.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 29, 2016 01:46 PM (w4NZ8)

216 I hope President Obama reaches out to the community of Muslim Nannies to expand our amnesty immigrant program for them.
Otherwise they'll think we don't like them.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at February 29, 2016 01:47 PM (NHtMs)

217
Germany had no problem making nazism illegal and outlawing nazi gestures and memorabilia illegal.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 29, 2016 01:47 PM (iQIUe)

218 I don't favor Muslim conquest of this country.

LOL; Well, that's encouraging.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 29, 2016 01:46 PM (w4NZ

yeah I thought that was mighty white of him

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 01:47 PM (mw8Dm)

219 And yet Russia doesn't have a death penalty. I think Chikitilo was the last guy they executed in like 1994.

Who needs it with their history? Whacking 50 million with a death penalty would surely clog up their courts.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 29, 2016 01:47 PM (+058L)

220 I just hope she doesn't have an iPhone.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 29, 2016 01:47 PM (/tuJf)

221 Made your choice yet? Pay the tax or die infidellllll!!!!!

Quran-9:29, Fight those who believe neither in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth (Islam), even if they are of the People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah... at February 29, 2016 01:47 PM (WVsWD)

222 Not a good tack to take. I consider libertarianism as sophomoric dorm room philosophizing.

But
if the religion - and its representatives, the clergy - advocate that
the faithful commit murder, and then the faithful comply, the clergy are
criminals, as accessaries before the fact. See how THAT works?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 01:42 PM (oKE6c)
Okay, Jay. What if I say "Jay, I think you should go kill Michael Moore". Have I just committed a crime? Or is this an expression of free speech, and in order for a death threat to be considered a crime, there must be some tangible action taken in order to advance the stated goal? And if my casual conversation saying "go kill some guy" is protected speech, why isn't religious speech also protected speech?

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 01:47 PM (lVU49)

223 Actually, the libertarian in me says that if a person gives consent to being killed in a ritual sacrifice, then it should be legal.
But otherwise - no, murder is right out. It is the murder that is the crime, not the religion. see how that works?
Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 01:39 PM (lVU49)

Actions that advance a political goal should be evaluated on their merits. I don't favor Muslim conquest of this country. I also value my freedom of conscience to believe what I wish. I don't care if Muslims believe I am an apostate that should be beheaded. They are free to believe what they like. I only wish to punish actual illegal behavior. Same as everyone else.
Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 01:43 PM (lVU49)

Who are you, Tender Prince, and how can I find and sniff your lovely, smooth, terrorist enabling anus?

Posted by: George Will at February 29, 2016 01:48 PM (vClpM)

224 "Chemjeff, I'm finding it hard to understand your difficulty in grasping
that Islam is not like other world religious today and that its goal is
absolute conquest."

The guy at an otherwise enjoyable party who obsessively argues a point which no one else believes, convincing no one, for hour after endless hour.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 01:48 PM (noWW6)

225 I don't think I've ever seen someone try harder to not get the point.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 01:43 PM (kTF2Z)

No! No! No no! No you don't get the point! Everyone needs to be evaluated in a vacuum! No shortcuts! There's nothing inherently wrong with islam! It's dandy. It's equal.

We're all equal.

Except for that little girl.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 01:48 PM (xuouz)

226 See, the problem isn't Islam.

The problem is Babysitters. If you Gals would all just stay home in your burkhas taking care of your own kids with your sister-wives until you husband comes home to have his manly way with your tookus, this would not happen.

Posted by: CAIR at February 29, 2016 01:48 PM (h/uSM)

227 Actions that advance a political goal should be evaluated on their merits. I don't favor Muslim conquest of this country. I also value my freedom of conscience to believe what I wish. I don't care if Muslims believe I am an apostate that should be beheaded. They are free to believe what they like. I only wish to punish actual illegal behavior. Same as everyone else.
Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016

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Wow. You really don't have clue, do you?

Posted by: Soona at February 29, 2016 01:48 PM (Fmupd)

228 Tim even that isn't true, they kill other sects by the hundreds to thousands yearly.

they have that ONE THING IN COMMON. The belief they are doing something righteous because of Their religion. even to those that lok similar but aren't doing it'their'way

Posted by: willow at February 29, 2016 01:49 PM (L1+sh)

229 207 And yet Russia doesn't have a death penalty. I think Chikitilo was the last guy they executed in like 1994. It's bizarre frankly that it hasn't been reestablished given Putin's temperament.
Posted by: Naes at February 29, 2016 01:45 PM (Ypc8j)

=========
It should be. No reason for the Bezlan guy to be still breathing.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 29, 2016 01:49 PM (iQIUe)

230 151 Look at those republicans, frightened of widows and orphans. Fraidy cats!

- The President of the United States

Posted by: chique d'afrique

Frightened of widows and orphans, and now babysitters.

Posted by: Barry Obama at February 29, 2016 01:49 PM (kfcYC)

231 >>So I guess the lesson is: don't hire Muslims. Don't rent to Muslims. Don't associate with Muslims.

That seems to be ISIS' message: you do not know where the next Muslim attacker will come from. It may be the guy you've worked with for years, the one whose wife you just gave a nice gift to at the office baby shower. It may be that annoying dude in your college study group.....

Does it make us racist to notice this - to get the message loud and clear? They're intentionally sowing fear of all Muslims, this is a terror tactic.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 29, 2016 01:49 PM (NOIQH)

232 The textual history of the Koran is partly known but ruthlessly suppressed. Muslims have destroyed many early Korans because they contained textual variants. As divine revelation, the Koran is a fraud. Textual historians can prove this, but they run the risk of being murdered.

Islam is a cult run by a mafia.

Posted by: Feh at February 29, 2016 01:49 PM (JOWmw)

233 I'm going to start a religion with the stated goal of destroying New Zealand. We really hate kiwis. All money given to the church will go to support martyrs willing to destroy the jerks down under.

I shall call it "You Can't Touch Me, Bitch. This Is Americanism"

Posted by: Lauren at February 29, 2016 01:49 PM (rrG3v)

234 What if I say "Jay, I think you should go kill Michael Moore". Have I just committed a crime?

It is actually illegal to incite people to violence, riot, and criminal activity. But its tough to prove causation or direct link, so its not prosecuted often.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 29, 2016 01:50 PM (39g3+)

235 chem, srsly you don't see a common thread amongst those that follow islam?

of course not all Muslims do this, but many more than Should do !

and they are told by the Religion itself it is OK.

Posted by: willow at February 29, 2016 01:50 PM (L1+sh)

236 chemjeff what do you think about the endless, daily violence committed by adherents of Islam from Raqqa and Riyadh to Tel Aviv, Paris, Moscow, Bali, San Bernadino, Oklahoma City, Boston, New York, and Dearborn?

Did you ever play a fun game called connect the fucking dots when you were a tyke?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 01:50 PM (xuouz)

237 Everyone's predictably lukewarm response is the exact reason a moronic, narcissistic billionaire is leading in the polls.

Posted by: Raspitun at February 29, 2016 01:50 PM (7erVl)

238 But the more important story is :

Islamic Society HQ in Plainfield targeted with hateful graffiti

http://tinyurl.com/jgrruyl

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 29, 2016 01:50 PM (FkBIv)

239 There was an unfortunate typo in the job advertisement. "Wanted--Baby-splitter."

Could happen to anyone.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at February 29, 2016 01:50 PM (kfcYC)

240 In a world war with islam, America and Russia

A World War with Islam would be over during the phone call over the missile trajectories.

Posted by: DaveA at February 29, 2016 01:51 PM (DL2i+)

241 229
207It should be. No reason for the Bezlan guy to be still breathing.

I'm very curious what the logic is behind it. It's not like they're getting into the EU. And it's not like Europe is going to sanction them more than they already have.

Posted by: Naes at February 29, 2016 01:51 PM (Ypc8j)

242 if you kill someone, then you are guilty of a crime. Not your whole religion, you.

simple enough?

No, it is not. When one of the core attributes of a religion is countenancing violence against non-believers without end and failure to accept the central tenets of democracy, then one has to admit that it cannot be reconciled with Western, much less, American values.

You overlook plain language in much the same way others overlooked Mein Kampf or The Little Red Book. Sometimes evil assholes mean exactly what they say -- and sometimes they rely on wishful thinking to buy them time to accomplish it.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 29, 2016 01:51 PM (659DL)

243 Well, sure.

If you want to couple what she did with what she said, along with how she looks and what her religion is, I guess somebody could make a case that Islam may have played a role.

We certainly wouldn't want to jump to conclusions, though.

Posted by: jwest at February 29, 2016 01:51 PM (Zs4uk)

244 We as a country are not obligated to take any Muslim from anywhere. That's just the facts.

Until we figure out what the hell is going on, it is perfectly reasonable to propose a ban on Muslim travel to the United States.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 29, 2016 01:51 PM (LXJ1e)

245 Gorilla wars are hard to fight. They don't exactly wear uniforms separating themselves from moderate Muslims. So what do we do? Continue to allow innocent people to be killed so as not to offend all of Islam as a whole? Is it the price of co-existance that Christians and Jews be beheaded?

Last I heard, the only way to win a war is to make the thought of continuing to attack so unfathomable for your enemy that they give up.

Or, I guess you could continue to dance around the subject, bound by PC laws and squish liberals so as to allow innocent children to be beheaded as a gift to Allah.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 29, 2016 01:51 PM (2PHKP)

246 Nood Tampon Earings

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at February 29, 2016 01:51 PM (mEZce)

247 Does it make us racist to notice this - to get the message loud and clear? They're intentionally sowing fear of all Muslims, this is a terror tactic.

I dunno fear, but certainly animosity and distrust. If they wanted to make Islam a shunned outcast, they could hardly do better.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 29, 2016 01:51 PM (39g3+)

248 ChemJeff, everyone here is trying to come to grips with the brutal murder of an innocent little girl. You're trying to argue the nuances of the law. Maybe give it some time before getting into that?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 01:51 PM (kTF2Z)

249 why isn't religious speech also protected speech?
Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 01:47 PM (lVU49)

It is, normal religious speech, but as Oliver Wendel Holmes said:

The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 01:52 PM (mw8Dm)

250 Tsar Vladmir of All The Russias is not going to process this well.

My one serious hope for a Trump Presidency is that the beautiful, loving mothers of his children will be outraged by this sort of shit, and persuade him to unlock the gates of Hell on these fucks.

Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at February 29, 2016 01:52 PM (HpeUK)

251 Not all states require an overt act to make a death threat prosecutorial.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 29, 2016 01:52 PM (iQIUe)

252 Okay, Jay. What if I say "Jay, I think you should go
kill Michael Moore". Have I just committed a crime? Or is this an
expression of free speech, and in order for a death threat to be
considered a crime, there must be some tangible action taken in order to
advance the stated goal? And if my casual conversation saying "go kill
some guy" is protected speech, why isn't religious speech also protected
speech?

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 01:47 PM (lVU49)
Let's make this analogy a little apposite, shall we? If you said I should go kill Michael Moore, and if I did, I'd get $1 million, would that be a crime? Duh. Of course it would.

And yet Muslims believe if they kill infidels, they'll win a place in Paradise, i.e., get the ultimate reward.
See how that works?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 01:52 PM (oKE6c)

253 There comes a time when "A damn about your nuanced opinion I simply do not give" is a perfectly acceptable answer. I believe we have reached that point.

However ... MY internal libertarian invites all my muslim- supporting brethren to support as many as they wish. Don't limit yourselves to babysitting help. Think cooking, home security, and perhaps in-home care as well.

Posted by: Irony at February 29, 2016 01:52 PM (BHaRb)

254 i really don't know the answer to islam . moderation yes
but fear seems to keep those moderates from moderating within their communities, they seem able to do it on an individual basis, but they don't seem capable of it on a mosque to mosque basis..

Posted by: willow at February 29, 2016 01:52 PM (L1+sh)

255 Actually, the libertarian in me says that if a person gives consent to being killed in a ritual sacrifice, then it should be legal.

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Shades of Kafka's The Hunger Artist.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 29, 2016 01:52 PM (Nwg0u)

256 Who are you, Tender Prince, and how can I find and sniff your lovely, smooth, terrorist enabling anus?
Posted by: George Will at February 29, 2016 01:48 PM (vClpM)

Any hall monitors in here?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 29, 2016 01:53 PM (1xUj/)

257 Until we figure out what the hell is going on, it is perfectly reasonable to propose a ban on Muslim travel to the United States.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 29, 2016 01:51 PM (LXJ1e)

And once we do I don't see how opening unfettered immigration back up to genital mutilating suicide bombing savages is a morally necessary next step.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 01:53 PM (xuouz)

258 >>They are free to believe what they like. I only wish to punish actual illegal behavior. Same as everyone else.

That thinking is so September 10th, 2001. It ignores the reality of where we are in 2016.

They have declared war on us numerous times. Bin Laden, Al Bagdadi, the radical Imams at mosques in western countries all over the world. They've backed up these declarations with attacks (and numerous foiled plots) and they are currently flooding Europe with jihadi soldiers labeled as "refugees.".

Posted by: Lizzy at February 29, 2016 01:53 PM (NOIQH)

259 Witch one isn't true Willow? Those are direct passages out of the pooran or hadits (the abubakr quote)

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah... at February 29, 2016 01:53 PM (WVsWD)

260
Did you ever play a fun game called connect the fucking dots when you were a tyke?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 01:50 PM (xuouz)

This is not the Conservative way. Conservative way is to be compassionate, rational, one-with-the-nature. We are here to fight tooth and nail for the Constitutional rights of Islamists across the Globe.

Unlike Nazis and Hitlers like Donald Trump, who dare to suggest foreign terrorists may be subjected to harsh interrogation.

Posted by: George Will at February 29, 2016 01:53 PM (vClpM)

261 If just one child were saved...

Posted by: Stuff you'll never hear in response to stories like this at February 29, 2016 01:53 PM (XItbt)

262 The most telling thing for me is opinion polling of muslims living in the West after a major atrocity. Generally, about a third to half say that while regrettable, it stands to reason that these things will happen from time to time, as Western countries bring it on themselves. About a quarter say it's great stuff and they want to see a lot more of it.

And then there is the repeated discovery that what is preached in mosques is completely different from what they claim is being preached.

I'll stop regarding them collectively when they stop acting collectively. And of course, they won't stop.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 29, 2016 01:54 PM (/f6Nd)

263 This is getting silly. Of course there isn't a way to hold all of Islam or even all members of a particular mosque legally responsible for murders or other crimes committed by Muslims. Of course American Muslims' right to hate Christians, Jews, atheists and each other is protected by the First Amendment. How is this even an argument?

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at February 29, 2016 01:54 PM (lZpRv)

264 Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 01:43 PM (lVU49)

Then you do not believe that people can essentially be programed by belief systems into certain actions?

The military has thousands of years of thought behind how to take a Peaceful person... and turn them into a Killer.... its a well known, and throughly proven system of indoctrination.... and the main way they do it is to break all ties with normal society in Boot Camp... so EVERYONE around you has the same belief system.

I don't think you understand the power of Religion.... how if everyone you know... all the teachers you revere, your parents, your siblings, your peers... tell you that GOD is telling you to kill, and that you will then go to heaven... Its going to impact your actions.

Posted by: MSM at February 29, 2016 01:54 PM (RK8AH)

265 if you want to worship the Sun, go right ahead.
if you kill someone, then you are guilty of a crime. Not your whole religion, you.

simple enough?
Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 01:35 PM (lVU49)

And if your religion tells you to kill, rape, etc?

Posted by: chique d'afrique at February 29, 2016 01:55 PM (mBYZv)

266 Preznint Barky said we were being paranoid about not letting refugee Muslim grandmothers and children into our country. Would that include a nanny or two?

Posted by: Hank at February 29, 2016 01:55 PM (xVYeR)

267 Not the worst. The most publicized. ISIS does worse to children in front of the parents.

Posted by: oddnot not liking these times at February 29, 2016 01:55 PM (g1MTt)

268 She should be locked in a cage with a horny starving boar

Posted by: Clarney at February 29, 2016 01:56 PM (jKqEh)

269 Tim, neither are true. but i know you probably meant which sect?

they don't care they see anything outside their sect as a a possible perp, and appropriate future victim.

Posted by: willow at February 29, 2016 01:56 PM (L1+sh)

270 The most telling thing for me is opinion polling of muslims living in
the West after a major atrocity. Generally, about a third to half say
that while regrettable, it stands to reason that these things will
happen from time to time, as Western countries bring it on themselves.
About a quarter say it's great stuff and they want to see a lot more of
it.

Ah, you see, it's not every single mother-lovin' one of them who supports the atrocities, so Muslims are cool.

Now if they ever achieve unanimity, THEN we can do something about it. But as long as there's one hold out, nope.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 01:56 PM (oKE6c)

271 I don't care if Muslims believe I am an apostate that should be beheaded. They are free to believe what they like. I only wish to punish actual illegal behavior. Same as everyone else.
Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 01:43 PM (lVU49)

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Chemjeff, you dating a Muslim?

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 29, 2016 01:57 PM (/f6Nd)

272 Tolerating Islam? I don't know, I thought we were beyond the idea of having "approved" and "unapproved" religions in this country.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 01:32 PM (lVU49)

CJ, you are willfully blind to the fact that islam is not (and they loudly proclaim this) a "religion like all other religions". It has an inseverable political component, too, one that is diametrically opposed to all that the USA represents.

Sure, there are "nice" muslims. I know some, too. Even the San Bernardino shooters were "nice". Until they weren't.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 29, 2016 01:57 PM (afR/C)

273 Actually, the libertarian in me says that if a person gives consent to being killed in a ritual sacrifice, then it should be legal.

Islam is begging to be killed

Posted by: x at February 29, 2016 01:57 PM (nFwvY)

274 I don't think you understand the power of
Religion.... how if everyone you know... all the teachers you revere,
your parents, your siblings, your peers... tell you that GOD is telling
you to kill, and that you will then go to heaven... Its going to impact
your actions.

Posted by: MSM at February 29, 2016 01:54 PM (RK8AH)

Frankly, I think he's just being deliberately obtuse to wind us up.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 01:57 PM (oKE6c)

275 Beheading children.

Immigrants doing jobs that citizens won't do.

Posted by: Damiano at February 29, 2016 01:58 PM (XItbt)

276 God rest that baby's soul, and give comfort to her parents.

the Filipinos know the score in Saudi. They are little more than slaves. And they like to confide in Americans. It's very sad.
Posted by: Skookumchuk at February 29, 2016 01:38 PM (/WPPJ)

This. It's telling to see how people act in their own neighborhood. The Saudis, Kuwaitis, Syrians, Emiratis, etc have a standard for their people-Muslims from Arab countries, then standards for others. Those standards include treating others, especially non-Muslims, like slaves. I've mentioned the Filipinas living on the roof of the embassy, beaten, broken, raped, having babies, and being supported by the Christian groups in the city, because the Philappine Embassy won't give them food or supplies. It's not the Muslims making sure they have legal rights, or are cared for, and it's sure not the Saudis, who put them there in the first place.

And that is just one example-there are myriad.

So, based on living among them in their 'hood, I can't say they are trust worthy, or kind, compassionate types. Add in Salafist/Wahhabist rhetoric, and they are dangerous to those who do not share their ideology.

Posted by: Moki at February 29, 2016 01:58 PM (7q2ch)

277 A World War with Islam would be over during the phone call over the missile trajectories.
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Ideally yes.

Poor choice of words. I meant 'involving islam' as obama is currently gunning for a conflict where we're siding with the sunnis against Russia and the shia persians.

I think if that plays out, we'll each end up attacked by our 'ally' the same way Germany turned on Russia the last time around, and then we'll end up together wondering what we were thinking about any of those folks in the first place.

Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 29, 2016 01:58 PM (ZbV+0)

278 I don't care if Muslims believe I am an apostate that should be beheaded.

Tell your Muslim students you used to be a Muslim, but then became an apostate. Dare ya.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 01:59 PM (oKE6c)

279 Islamic Society HQ in Plainfield targeted with hateful graffiti

Which ISNA, this ISNA

Magid's organization, ISNA, is the most important Muslim Brotherhood organization in the United States. I have profiled it in these pages a number of times. As detailed in The Grand Jihad, it is the Islamist umbrella organization that traces its origins to the Muslim Students Association, the foundation of the Brotherhood's American infrastructure.

McCarthy

Posted by: DaveA at February 29, 2016 01:59 PM (DL2i+)

280 This is getting silly. Of course there isn't a way to hold all of Islam or even all members of a particular mosque legally responsible for murders or other crimes committed by Muslims. Of course American Muslims' right to hate Christians, Jews, atheists and each other is protected by the First Amendment. How is this even an argument?
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Pho
ne at February 29, 2016 01:54 PM (lZpRv)

It isn't. The only taking people's words out of context and sayiing that is our resident Democrat

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 02:00 PM (mw8Dm)

281 >>>I don't think you understand the power of Religion.... how if everyone you know... all the teachers you revere, your parents, your siblings, your peers... tell you that GOD is telling you to kill, and that you will then go to heaven... Its going to impact your actions.
....

Huh... Sound exactly like what's happening with Liberalism if you remove the God part.

Posted by: Damiano at February 29, 2016 02:00 PM (XItbt)

282 A World War with Islam would be over during the phone call over the missile trajectories.

Step #1. Target baby factories.
Step #2. Profit for generations.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 29, 2016 02:01 PM (+058L)

283 new post

Posted by: willow at February 29, 2016 02:01 PM (L1+sh)

284 Do you mean "temporary halt to immigration from majority-Muslim countries"? Or do you mean "temporary halt to immigration of any Muslim from any country"?

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 01:34 PM (lVU49)

It would have to be the latter, seeing as many of these invaders (which is their true status) use Euro countries as waypoints.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 29, 2016 02:01 PM (afR/C)

285 I grew up in a country in which the northern half is Muslim.

I would not voluntary visit the Muslim half, despite the fact that I had Muslim friends growing up.

Chemjeff, open your eyes. I'm not saying don't associate with Muslims. But recognize that it is a violent religion filled with a nonstop history of violence.

In elementary school, we were taught that Islam came to Northern Nigeria through JIHAD,via a man called Usman dan Fodio. The picture in the book showed him on a horse with his sword upraised. No judgement was passed. It was just presented as history.

They have been burning churches in Northern Nigeria since before I was a kid. Before Boko Haram, marauding bands of Muslims invaded a majority Christian city in the North, Jos, which was known as one of the most beautiful places in the country, and destroyed it. This is just a sampling.

Open your eyes.

Posted by: chique d'afrique at February 29, 2016 02:05 PM (mBYZv)

286 simple enough?

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 01:35 PM (lVU49)

The religion requires human sacrifice. It ain't an option. Islam, in its most pure form, requires jihad. It's baked into the cake. It may have escaped your notice, but recently a top Saudi cleric said of ISIS in about as many words, "they are not doctrinally wrong, just too enthusiastic."

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 29, 2016 02:05 PM (afR/C)

287 Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 29, 2016 01:58 PM (ZbV+0)

I don't think Russia would be spending much energy in the Middle East at all, if WE had not gone after their Treaty Partner Assad.

We explicitly stated that we were going after regime change in Syria, who is not only a UN Member State, but had a defense Treaty with Russia.

We then started BOMBING them.... with EU help....

Russia reacted months later, sending troops and air power to play in Syria.

IMO Obama instigated this whole mess...

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 29, 2016 02:06 PM (RK8AH)

288 No, it is not. When one of the core attributes of a religion is countenancing violence against non-believers without end and failure to accept the central tenets of democracy, then one has to admit that it cannot be reconciled with Western, much less, American values.

You overlook plain language in much the same way others overlooked Mein Kampf or The Little Red Book. Sometimes evil assholes mean exactly what they say -- and sometimes they rely on wishful thinking to buy them time to accomplish it.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 29, 2016 01:51 PM (659DL)

Islam has a "Stuff Jefferson Said" type problem. That is, authority is a very strong currency in the religion. So when your religious leaders tell you "Islam is a religion of peace," and they tell you that Muhammad was a man of peace who only fought defensive battles, they're believed.

I think we're seeing so much hastening of violent jihad in the world because more people than ever have access to the Quran, and in their own language (i.e. not arabic) to boot. Seeing the violence inherent in the faith is jarring for quite a few Muslims.

It leaves people with three choices: Radicalize, adopt a post-modern understanding of their faith, or leave Islam. I think we're just seeing the uptick in people choosing the former.

Posted by: Hal at February 29, 2016 02:06 PM (O7cgj)

289 I saw it & would not look.
I have cable man here.

Posted by: Carol at February 29, 2016 02:06 PM (sj3Ax)

290 Interesting (as in, same shit, different day), this news item showed up in my Google app this morning, but the article that it pointed to had ZERO reference to burkas, "allahu akbar", jihad, or anything that would lead the casual racist...er...islamaphobe...er...reader to believe that Islam had anything to do with the story. All it said was that authorities believed the suspect was a nanny for a couple whose apartment was burned to the ground. I was wondering, aside from the prurient detail of a severed child's head, why it would be international news.

Posted by: Ken in NH at February 29, 2016 02:07 PM (6qAvd)

291 "I was wondering if the parents were Muslim?-The picture of the mother shows a very attractive woman wearing a scarf."

That's a babushka. Fairly typical clothing for Russian women.

Posted by: Bobby at February 29, 2016 02:07 PM (iDp69)

292
Trigger warning?

It breaks at 2#.

Posted by: irongrampa at February 29, 2016 02:08 PM (P/8aq)

293 Posted by: chique d'afrique at February 29, 2016 02:05 PM (mBYZv)

I had a postdoc (Christian) from Nigeria. The stories he told about northern Nigeria and its Muslims ... /shudder

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 02:10 PM (oKE6c)

294 This won't happen if you do unto them first.

Posted by: Xavier at February 29, 2016 02:11 PM (vOXzd)

295 to be a part of a "criminal conspiracy" means that the person has to take deliberate action to advance that criminal activity, not simply sit idly in a mosque listening to some imam.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 01:40 PM (lVU49)

Would you continue to attend a church, if every week, the preacher went on a rant and urged you, and the other parishioners to go out and kill members of some identifiable group? Would you?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 29, 2016 02:12 PM (afR/C)

296 Whoa, honey. Way too far.

Posted by: Khorne at February 29, 2016 02:13 PM (9TK8E)

297 Would you continue to attend a church, if every week, the preacher went on a rant and urged you, and the other parishioners to go out and kill members of some identifiable group? Would you?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 29, 2016 02:12 PM (afR/C)

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Sure.

Posted by: Barack Obama at February 29, 2016 02:14 PM (/f6Nd)

298 Gawd, I love that story. Were that the euroweenie response in Cologne and elsewhere, the cowards would leave the women folk alone.

Later, after being beaten similarly by the European goat herders for molesting their goats, these same Muzzies would go back whence they came from.

And everyone lived happily ever after.

[Except the perpetually aggrieved Snowflakes, feminists and lefties, eternal "victims" the Palis and #BlackLiesMatter racists]

Posted by: oddnot not liking these times at February 29, 2016 02:15 PM (g1MTt)

299 chemjef

I want to thank you for volunteering to be a punching bag, especially on a thread with a subject as emotionally loaded as this one.

I disagree with you but I admire your feisty determination.

Posted by: obnoxious ahole at February 29, 2016 02:16 PM (XXDUt)

300 to be a part of a "criminal conspiracy" means that the person has to take deliberate action to advance that criminal activity, not simply sit idly in a mosque listening to some imam.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 01:40 PM (lVU49)

Giving money through donations is a deliberate act.

That money aids and abets the spread of said philosophy, which leads others to kill.

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 29, 2016 02:16 PM (RK8AH)

301 Do you mean "temporary halt to immigration from majority-Muslim countries"? Or do you mean "temporary halt to immigration of any Muslim from any country"?

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 01:34 PM (lVU49)

Temporary halt to immigration of any Muslim from any country. If and when we have figured out how to weed out the jihadis, we can revisit.

Immigration to the US is a privilege, not a right.

Posted by: cool breeze at February 29, 2016 02:16 PM (ckvus)

302 Vicnaja pamjat, little one.

Posted by: LJim at February 29, 2016 02:17 PM (9TK8E)

303 Immigration to the US is a privilege, not a right.
Posted by: cool breeze at February 29, 2016 02:16 PM (ckvus)

SACRILEGE!

Posted by: George Will at February 29, 2016 02:18 PM (vClpM)

304 I don't disagree that Islam is a violent religion. I wish to punish actual acts of violence, not simply the speaking of words.

In any other context, these arguments about "Islam programming adherents to become violent killers" would be rejected out of hand as ridiculous stereotypes, let alone guilt by association. The left thinks that the NRA programs gun owners to become baby killers. We say that's stupid, gun owners are individuals capable of making their own decisions, and those individuals who choose to break the law and kill babies should be punished, but that the rest of the gun owners who make peaceful choices should be left alone to enjoy their liberties as they see fit. Muslims are no different. They are individuals capable of making their own decisions. Those that choose to act upon the literal words of their jihadist Imams and kill people should be punished, of course. But when you start saying that the religion itself should be banned or punished or subjected to higher scrutiny, you're opening up a gigantic Pandora's box that can't be closed again. What you are saying is that you want the government, even a government run by a shameless crapweasel like Obama, to have the power to judge certain religions to be "good" and other religions to be "bad", and to use the power of the state against the "bad" religions, even if no particular individual at any particular church/temple/mosque had done anything wrong, only because the preachers are saying something considered wrong. It is only a short step from declaring Islam to be a forbidden religion, to declaring Evangelical Christianity to be a forbidden religion because they "advocate violence against gays".

The really disturbing part though is the denial of individual agency to Muslims. They aren't robots, they aren't "programmed" to be killers, they are human beings. If they choose to break the law and instigate acts of terror, they should be punished regardless if some Imam told them to do it, or if the funny voices in their heads told them to do it. It really does seem that some people around here believe that while Christians and Jews and members of other faiths are discerning enough to judge the quality of their religious precepts and refuse to obey literally the ones that involve violating domestic laws, that Muslims are somehow different and they are "programmed" or "have no choice" but to go raping and pillaging.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 02:21 PM (lVU49)

305 I'm sure that in a matter of moments this story will be trending on Facebook and Twitter. I mean how can it not?

Oh that's right, it's not nearly as important as making fun of an actress that the liberals deemed a traitor to her color.

Posted by: Raspitun at February 29, 2016 02:24 PM (7erVl)

306 I mean, ZOMG HEIDI KLUM WORE A PURPLE DRESS AT THE OSCARS!!!i1i!II!!IELEVENTY

Posted by: Raspitun at February 29, 2016 02:28 PM (7erVl)

307 The left thinks that the NRA programs gun owners to become baby killers.
Muslims are no different.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 02:21 PM (lVU49)

Exactly, Islam and NRA are the same. NRA actually does indoctrinate people to kill random babies, while most stoic TruCons resist their mentors and their urges. This is what Conservatism is about - talking about killing babies for the glory of Conservatism but stopping at the last minute after thinking it through.

Fight the GOOD fight, dear Trump-hating fellow!

Show those inbred terrorist haters what we love terrorists and will NEVER let them be harshly interrogated just because they cometh from the Religion of Peace.

Posted by: George Will at February 29, 2016 02:28 PM (vClpM)

308 ones that involve violating domestic laws, that Muslims are somehow different and they are "programmed" or "have no choice" but to go raping and pillaging.
Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 02:21 PM (lVU49)

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They are different. They are so programmed. Consider 'refugee' behavior in Europe.

Posted by: Barack Obama at February 29, 2016 02:28 PM (/f6Nd)

309 272
Tolerating Islam? I don't know, I thought we were beyond the idea of
having "approved" and "unapproved" religions in this country.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 01:32 PM (lVU49)
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What an odd thing to think in context to Jihadists.

Posted by: Don't waste my time with leftist bullshit. at February 29, 2016 02:28 PM (aRUb8)

310 Posted by: Don't waste my time with leftist bullshit. at February 29, 2016 02:28 PM (aRUb

It isn't "leftist bullshit". It is actually libertarian in nature. The idea that all individuals have inherent dignity and freedom of conscience that ought to be respected. Leftists too have no problems applying guilt by association and using the power of the state against large groups of otherwise innocent people.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 02:35 PM (lVU49)

311 The really disturbing part though is the denial of individual agency to Muslims. They aren't robots, they aren't "programmed" to be killers, they are human beings. If they choose to break the law and instigate acts of terror, they should be punished regardless if some Imam told them to do it, or if the funny voices in their heads told them to do it. It really does seem that some people around here believe that while Christians and Jews and members of other faiths are discerning enough to judge the quality of their religious precepts and refuse to obey literally the ones that involve violating domestic laws, that Muslims are somehow different and they are "programmed" or "have no choice" but to go raping and pillaging.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 02:21 PM (lVU49)

If muslims have individual agency, why do they continue to attend mosques where hate is preached? Could it be that they are OK with the hate, and simply haven't committed any crimes in furtherance of that hate because they are chickenshit? Until, one day, they aren't...

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 29, 2016 02:37 PM (afR/C)

312 The idea that all individuals have inherent dignity
and freedom of conscience that ought to be respected.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 02:35 PM (lVU49)

Living in a world where "The idea" of something, Trumps objective and observable reality is........leftist bullshit imo.

Posted by: Don't waste my time with leftist bullshit. at February 29, 2016 02:38 PM (aRUb8)

313 Global warming is a bigger problem if you ask Leonardo

Posted by: Skip at February 29, 2016 02:39 PM (fizMZ)

314 If muslims have individual agency, why do they continue to attend
mosques where hate is preached? Could it be that they are OK with the
hate, and simply haven't committed any crimes in furtherance of that
hate because they are chickenshit?

Or maybe, it is because they are faithful to their religion, but like most members of most religions, they choose to abjure the parts of their religion which advocate for violence or activities that contravene domestic law.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 02:39 PM (lVU49)

315 This is yet one more issue that is pushing me more and more into the Libertarian camp, to be honest.

First Trump, now this

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 02:41 PM (lVU49)

316 315 This is yet one more issue that is pushing me more and more into the Libertarian camp, to be honest.

First Trump, now this
Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 02:41 PM (lVU49)

Just skip the long road, libertardian, and pack your smornels to Raqqa right now.

Posted by: Ibrahim Awad Saddiq Majad al-Badri at February 29, 2016 02:48 PM (vClpM)

317
Or maybe, it is because they are faithful to
their religion, but like most members of most religions, they choose to
abjure the parts of their religion which advocate for violence or
activities that contravene domestic law.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 02:39 PM (lVU49)

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WHICH muslims are you referring to? The ones living in the freedom of Western cultures, or the ones who make up the majority of muslims...you know..the ones living in muslim dominated cultures?

Posted by: Don't waste my time with leftist bullshit. at February 29, 2016 02:51 PM (aRUb8)

318 315
This is yet one more issue that is pushing me more and more into the Libertarian camp, to be honest.

First Trump, now this

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 02:41 PM (lVU49)
++++++++++++=You mean reality? If you prefer to be pushed out of a reality based world....WHAT do you prefer as a replacement, and why, if I may ask?

Posted by: Don't waste my time with leftist bullshit. at February 29, 2016 02:55 PM (aRUb8)

319 oh yeah, we need some of that over here without restraint and with bennies too like those Boston bombers got

Posted by: DanMan at February 29, 2016 02:56 PM (RusNE)

320 Or maybe, it is because they are faithful to their religion, but like most members of most religions, they choose to abjure the parts of their religion which advocate for violence or activities that contravene domestic law.

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 02:39 PM (lVU49)

Why would they continue to attend sermons from a hate-spewing imam? Since there imams who don't spew hate. Why do they not fire the hate-spewing imam, and hire a "moderate" one?

How many peace-loving, law-abiding Christians belong to the Westboro Baptist Church?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 29, 2016 02:56 PM (afR/C)

321 "How many peace-loving, law-abiding Christians belong to the Westboro Baptist Church?"

I'm guessing none.

Posted by: DanMan at February 29, 2016 02:58 PM (RusNE)

322 Someone in this thread is a Moral Retard of the Highest Fucking Order.

Posted by: Mister Christopher (in Atlanta!) at February 29, 2016 03:32 PM (SLJ40)

323 chemjeff

I believe that it is probably not possible to have a libertarian type"leave me alone" type society in a place where a lot of the population views leaving you alone as specifically contrary to God's commandments of how they should live their lives.

A society in which the government interferes with you as little as possible requires that most people don't behave in unacceptable ways most of the time. If there are a lot of people in a society who only refrain from following the dictates of their religion to murder people, whether it is to please the sun god or because they are infidels, you will either need a much larger and more intrusive government or your society will have to tolerate a lot more murders.

Posted by: obnoxious ahole at February 29, 2016 03:35 PM (MpvuV)

324 she's not a real muslim

Posted by: Alan Colmes at February 29, 2016 03:45 PM (fijdj)

325 This bitch needs to be blowtorched up and pulled apart with horses.

Posted by: Abiss at February 29, 2016 08:34 PM (UsgHM)

326 Don't know if someone has already made this point but:

this monstrous 'nanny' cared for that child daily for 18 months, I think I read. How does anyone do that? How does someone care day in and day out for a four year child for over a year and yet still sever her head from her body while she is alive, and then carry it around as a trophy?

How do any of us evaluate the muslim people we think we know after this, after San Bernadino? I'm not trying to be a provocateur, I'm really asking.

Posted by: Viking at February 29, 2016 09:38 PM (6y/kW)

327 Chemjeff seems like a nice fella, but he needs to read him some Koran, hadith, sira, sharia(law) and fiqh(jurisprudence) so as to understand that in Islam, the legal system is the tail that wags the theology. And that legal system prescribes bad shit for the rest of us.

Posted by: Stonefree2rant at February 29, 2016 11:07 PM (thnud)

328 314

CJ, Islam doesn't allow cherry picking. The Sunnah is a seamless whole, built up over centuries. Reject any part, and you are Apostate.

The international logic, and the juridical scholarship are quite admirable in a way. If one accepts first principles, that is Allah is the only God, Muhammad is his messenger who received the eternal and uncreated Koran, it makes perfect sense.

It is a perfect, self replicating organism designed to absorb everything.

The mistake I believe you - and many others - make is looking at Islam through the lens of Judaeo-Christian and Enlightenment thinking, rather than taking it on its own terms.

Muslims don't believe in agency. All that unfolds is Allah's will, and it is his will that Allah prevail.

Posted by: Stonefree2rant at February 29, 2016 11:34 PM (thnud)

329 "Internal logic," dammit

Posted by: Stonefree2rant at February 29, 2016 11:36 PM (thnud)

330 263
Jenny, wrong.

You can hold all of Islam responsible. Read the texts.

As for individual Muslims, those that do not hold with Islamic supremacy are not responsible.

They are however, apostate, as they reject part or parts is the Sunnah.

Posted by: Stonefree2rant at February 29, 2016 11:40 PM (thnud)

331 All,

I cannot more highly recommend Sayyid Qtub, Muslim Brotherhood theorist on all this.

His "Milestones" lays it all out. Not too long a read, and lucid.
Read his premises and arguments, and you'll understand precisely "what the help is going on."

Posted by: Stonefree2rant at February 29, 2016 11:44 PM (thnud)

332 It can only be one thing, workplace violence.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at March 01, 2016 12:10 AM (UsCnO)

333 I guess since Russian citizens cannot carry firearms she was arrested

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