Of Course: Rubio of the Gentle Hands Intends to Not Attack Trump Tonight, As Usual

He's going to attack Cruz, as usual. While his minions then criticize Cruz for not attacking Trump enough. And Dondi continues to not attack Trump.

Allah mentions that Cruz might bring up Dondi's cowardly refusal to attack Trump in the debate, but says Rubio has a ready answer: "Oh, the same way you didn't for a half a year?"

One problem with that, which Allah seems to forget: Rubio also had nothing bad to say about Trump in the period where Cruz had nothing bad to say about him.

If Allah can think of a time when Rubio was attacking Trump -- ever -- I'd like to be reminded of it.

This whole Narrative was started -- and it is a Narrative -- I believe by Rubio supporters, who were asking then, as they've been asking forever, as they ask now: Why aren't Rubio's opponents attacking Trump?

It did not dawn on Rubio's supporters, as it continues to not dawn on them, that perhaps their Kitten-Like Candidate could do some of this attacking himself, if he was any kind of man.

Yes, Cruz was mocked and attacked relentlessly for what Allah calls Cruz's "bro-hugging" of Trump.

And what, may I ask, was Rubio doing during this period, besides bro-hugging Trump as well?

Rubio has never attacked Trump. Indeed, even when a questioner at a debate invites Rubio to attack Trump -- even when they turn to Rubio and ask him to comment on some ignorant, confused statement Trump has made -- Rubio goes out of his way to find one obvious thing Trump says and then say "Where I agree with Donald is with the idea that the United States must be strong in its foreign policy."

Even when Rubio is begged to dispute Trump, he contrives some way to agree with him.

And then his supporters all shriek that Rubio's opponents aren't attacking Trump sufficiently for their liking.

Maybe it's time for the soft-faced young-man to finally stand upon his own two feet and take on the Big Black Hat himself, instead of girlishly curstsying to him and then having his online girl-gang put out a whispering campaign that those Other Fellas were insufficiently tough on Trump.

Is this Delicate Little Flower every going to do anything except preen its pretty petals?

Exit Question: Is Rubio, in whom so many have trusted so many hopes, actually attempting to get Trump elected, in order to be his VP and be guaranteed to be the nominee in 2020 or 2024?

Posted by: Ace at 02:01 PM

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First.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 25, 2016 02:02 PM (zLP1L)

2 He's running for VP. He's got pollsters, the pollsters say he can't win, so he's taking the consolation prize.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at February 25, 2016 02:03 PM (RD7QR)

3 Another debate? Gah!

Posted by: HH at February 25, 2016 02:03 PM (DrCtv)

4 Or Miss Congeniality. That would have been more amusing but I'm in a foul mood today and didn't think of it.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at February 25, 2016 02:04 PM (RD7QR)

5 2 He's running for VP. He's got pollsters, the pollsters say he can't win, so he's taking the consolation prize.

That's what I think....

Posted by: donna at February 25, 2016 02:04 PM (/dSsq)

6
The one thing to realize is that this is far from over. If -and it's a BIGASS if - Trump can take two out of three in TX, FL or OH, then he may very well be inevitable.

I don't think he takes TX. He might nab OH and FL. Dondi is not popular in his state (am I right?). Or one or the other.

After that, it's a wide open race. If Dondi can be knocked out, then a race between Cruz and Trump is one that Cruz will win.

It all depends.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 25, 2016 02:05 PM (zLP1L)

7 Rubio is running for Veep, obviously. He only stays in the race in order to split the anti-Trump vote. Hell, he's way behind in Florida!

He won't attack Trump because he wants Trump to win. Because he is getting a job from Trump.

Posted by: MTF at February 25, 2016 02:05 PM (0spTc)

8 romney kind of did this also, he'd send out others to attack other candidates and keep his hands clean.

Posted by: willow at February 25, 2016 02:05 PM (L1+sh)

9 Drudge headline: Poli Sci Phd says there's a 97% chance Trump wins.....the general election.

Heads exploding all over Faux News HQ. lol

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 25, 2016 02:05 PM (0LHZx)

10 i don't know if that is a bad strategy really.

Posted by: willow at February 25, 2016 02:06 PM (L1+sh)

11 I see Trump as the head of SPECTRE in 'From Russia With Love,' watching Cruz and Mario chew each other to death like Siamese fighting fish.

Posted by: Socratease at February 25, 2016 02:06 PM (FqHs5)

12 Is TX winner taker all or proportional?

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 25, 2016 02:06 PM (0LHZx)

13 Typical neocon. Always keen to have someone else actually fight wars on their behalf.

Posted by: KillianThyme at February 25, 2016 02:06 PM (n2r4H)

14 Ace, you were right. Very funny!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 25, 2016 02:07 PM (rkCLP)

15 7 Rubio is running for Veep, obviously. He only stays in the race in order to split the anti-Trump vote. Hell, he's way behind in Florida!

I have three choices for VP: Clint Eastwood, Tim Allen, or Mike Rowe....

Posted by: donna at February 25, 2016 02:07 PM (/dSsq)

16
And Mitt Romney can just go get fucked.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 25, 2016 02:07 PM (zLP1L)

17 You babies had better get used to the fact that I am the establishment candidate.

We don't attack anything left of center.

Posted by: Marco the Rube at February 25, 2016 02:07 PM (2bqlb)

18 Hard to see how Trump loses. He has Rubio splitting the anti-Trump vote, keeping Cruz down, and the other candidates are totally inconsequential at this stage.

Posted by: MTF at February 25, 2016 02:07 PM (0spTc)

19 Marco Hollister to DT:
You're... not only handsome, but a powerful man. I could see the second you walked in here, you were someone to reckon with...

Posted by: pep at February 25, 2016 02:07 PM (YXmuI)

20 Carried over from the last thread, sorry I was slow in responding:

Dubya had the idea that the ME peoples, if given a chance, would embrace democracy because at bottom everyone wants to be free. I was stupid enough to believe that in 2003. The evidence should have been clear enough then - many Westerners don't really want to be free - what were the chances that a majority of people in the ME would yearn for it, or even have a conception of it?

What they want is not freedom their own tribe running things.

That may be the case, but I thought about it, and after "we" worked very very hard throwing away what GWB had tried to accomplish and to hand over the middle east to Iran tied up with a nice red bow, I don't think anyone in the US has a right to say "we tried, but the arabs sucked." We betrayed too damn many of them over the last seven years to the Fucking Brotherhood, or Fucking Iran, or Fucking Whoever We're Pretending To Support in Syria This Week While We Sell Them Out To Iran and Ayatollah Putin.

In 2009 there was a point in decrying what Bush did. In 2016? I don't think so.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at February 25, 2016 02:08 PM (kCfMX)

21 What topic will be debated tonight that hasn't been debated already in the past 145 debates? At some point, enough's enough.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 25, 2016 02:08 PM (0LHZx)

22 Yet more trolls. Honestly, they need a new schtick.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at February 25, 2016 02:08 PM (RD7QR)

23 13 Typical neocon. Always keen to have someone else actually fight wars on their behalf.
Posted by: KillianThyme at February 25, 2016 02:06 PM (n2r4H)

Define the word "neocon" please. I'm guessing it's a three-letter word.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 25, 2016 02:08 PM (zLP1L)

24 I remember a lot of people who insisted that Cruz and Trump had made a deal in the beginning. I'm sure they will now connect that Cruz broke the deal.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 25, 2016 02:08 PM (dwNYN)

25 Friends, you've nothing to fear of Marco Rubio -- he is an articulate, clean and decent Cuban American.

Posted by: Juan McCain at February 25, 2016 02:08 PM (INxoa)

26 If Dondi can be knocked out, then a race between Cruz and Trump is one that Cruz will win.

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Hows that. I do not see Cruz beating Teh Donald....

Trump is going to win Ohio and Florida.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 25, 2016 02:08 PM (8XRCm)

27 When in doubt, consumed by fear and uncertainty, I turn to my iTunes library for advice.

Posted by: Lesstore Mordeals at February 25, 2016 02:08 PM (1DsXs)

28 It did not dawn on Rubio's supporters, as it continues to not dawn on them, that perhaps their Kitten-Like Candidate could do some of this attacking himself, if he was any kind of man.
Posted by: Ace at 02:01 PM

Savage

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 25, 2016 02:08 PM (xuouz)

29 Ace, they owe you money.

Posted by: DM at February 25, 2016 02:09 PM (j/tOh)

30 He's running for VP.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at February 25, 2016 02:03 PM (RD7QR)

I keep hearing this idea proposed (mostly by anti-Trump people, interestingly, who didn't get anything about Trump correct up to now) and I have to say that it's more than a bit silly. If Trump picked Boobio as his VP he'd immediately lose half of his votes.

Boobio isn't going to be Trump's VP pick. There's not even a snowball's chance in hell of that. The only people proposing that seem to be people who have been predicting Trump's demise from the beginning and who really don't seem to understand Trump or his campaign or his support.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 25, 2016 02:09 PM (zc3Db)

31 I'm the voter Rubio is hoping to lock up. I'll vote for Cruz, but Rubio is my number 2. And I'd have no trouble voting for him. But attacking Trump isn't going to cause me to switch to Rubio. So for my vote it is better for Rubio to get Trump out. The problem is Trump is just increasing his share of the vote so this waiting out strategy likely has no long term success.

Posted by: SH at February 25, 2016 02:09 PM (gmeXX)

32 23 13 Typical neocon. Always keen to have someone else actually fight wars on their behalf.
Posted by: KillianThyme at February 25, 2016 02:06 PM (n2r4H)

Define the word "neocon" please. I'm guessing it's a three-letter word.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 25, 2016 02:08 PM (zLP1L)

_____

Ghu?

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 25, 2016 02:09 PM (0LHZx)

33 Is TX winner taker all or proportional?

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 25, 2016 02:06 PM (0LHZx)

Winner take all only if the winner has 50% which is not going to happen

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at February 25, 2016 02:09 PM (QPdNE)

34 Dondi squats to piss.

Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at February 25, 2016 02:09 PM (THHLY)

35 26 If Dondi can be knocked out, then a race between Cruz and Trump is one that Cruz will win.

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Hows that. I do not see Cruz beating Teh Donald....

Trump is going to win Ohio and Florida.
Posted by: fixerupper at February 25, 2016 02:08 PM (8XRCm)

Trump knows in a one on one he loses and handily. That's why Dondi is being his butt boy and neither is attacking each other.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 25, 2016 02:09 PM (zLP1L)

36 "Cruz's "bro-hugging" of Trump"

It wasn't a bro-hug, it was a clinch.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at February 25, 2016 02:10 PM (t5zYU)

37 Can't we all just get along?

Posted by: Rodney King at February 25, 2016 02:10 PM (12kBq)

38 So, I take it that Ace isn't trying to hump Mr. Rubio's leg anymore? :-)

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at February 25, 2016 02:10 PM (Saqzi)

39 Typical neocon. Always keen to have someone else actually fight wars on their behalf.
Posted by: KillianThyme at February 25, 2016 02:06 PM (n2r4H)

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wrong blog.... the "Feel the Bern" Supporters bashing "THe Cankles" blog is thataway... --------->

Posted by: fixerupper at February 25, 2016 02:10 PM (8XRCm)

40 Don't want Dondi even as a do-nothing VP.

Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at February 25, 2016 02:10 PM (/D5Lf)

41 Rubio isn't the establishment candidate; at this point, Trump is. Rubio is merely the assistant establishment candidate.

The establishment motto is "Anyone But Ted!"
and they are getting their wish.

Posted by: MTF at February 25, 2016 02:10 PM (0spTc)

42 Boobio isn't going to be Trump's VP pick. There's not even a snowball's chance in hell of that. The only people proposing that seem to be people who have been predicting Trump's demise from the beginning and who really don't seem to understand Trump or his campaign or his support.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 25, 2016 02:09 PM (zc3Db)

"Rubio is running for VP" and "Trump will pick Rubio to be his VP" are two separate concepts.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at February 25, 2016 02:10 PM (RD7QR)

43 Oh, one more comment:

One thing I will say about the Arabs: a lot of the governments in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf wanted a US President who was going to cut the US down to size. And they got it, in the worst possible way for them: Iran got a whole pile of money and a clear path to the atom bomb.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at February 25, 2016 02:10 PM (kCfMX)

44 Maybe Cruz should just ignore Rubio and focus all his energy on the front-runner. "You're not my competition Marco, Donald is. Let the big boys discuss this issue." Get kind of condescending about it but focus all attacks on Donald.

Posted by: SH at February 25, 2016 02:10 PM (gmeXX)

45 I'm sensing a distance between us Ace.

Posted by: Marco Rubio's Garbage Can at February 25, 2016 02:10 PM (12kBq)

46 Sounds like somebody doesn't like Marco very much.

Well, like him or not, he can beat The Malignant C. Cruz cannot. (and how pathetic is it to not be able to beat that ignorant slut) Cruz belongs on late nite TV doing slip and fall ads. He'd be good.

Donald McRonald might also beat Thunderthighs, but not iif he's got a closet like hers....and he may.

SO LEAVE DONDI ALONE!

Posted by: Barzini in Miami at February 25, 2016 02:11 PM (zmZ2x)

47 Yeah, Mario's more like a bad girlfriend than a guy.

I hope Cruz goes light on the "I'm your conservative guy" stuff and goes more on "I can make your life better" stuff and here's how or at least blends them together.

I'd also like it if Cruz starts in on how the young and the voters for Obama were scammed. How they were swindled by a con man and a con party.

That fits in with the I'm a victim mentality of these people and may be the only way to reach them.

Plus, the shit storm of Obama defense by the MSM and FOX(?) would definitely raise his profile.

Buuuuuuuuuut, I expect Trump to grab this line of attack soon, perhaps tonight himself.

Posted by: naturalfake at February 25, 2016 02:11 PM (0cMkb)

48 Gotta love this slapfight over second place.

Posted by: gewa76 at February 25, 2016 02:11 PM (w+87S)

49

Exit Question: Is Rubio, in whom so many have trusted so many
hopes, actually attempting to get Trump elected, in order to be his VP
and be guaranteed to be the nominee in 2020 or 2024?

I think this may be the case. Remember that Rubio actually gave up his Senate seat to run for office -- the stakes are higher for him than they are for Cruz, who (presumably) can be easily re-elected to another Senate term.
If Rubio cannot take the gold, perhaps he will be happy to settle for silver, and keep his political career alive. Trump gives him more opportunity for that than Cruz (Rubio softens Trump's immigration position, and would be evidence of some kind of Hispanic outreach, and he has ties to a critical swing state).

Posted by: Revenant at February 25, 2016 02:11 PM (y64uP)

50 Define the word "neocon" please. I'm guessing it's a three-letter word.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 25, 2016 02:08 PM (zLP1L)

Don't feed the troll

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 25, 2016 02:11 PM (mw8Dm)

51 There's nothing for Rubio to gain by attacking Trump.
1] Trump enjoys it
2] Trump voters will never go to Rubio

Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at February 25, 2016 02:12 PM (3ZtZW)

52
I still think Trump might still pick Cruz, despite everything going on.

If he really is anti-establishment, it's his only move. Either that or he picks me.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 25, 2016 02:12 PM (zLP1L)

53 Sucks seeing Charles CW Cooke, who I enjoy reading so much on most cultural and all constitutional matters, go all-in for Ruboto the last couple days.

Stop trying to make Mario happen. Mario is NOT going to happen.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 25, 2016 02:12 PM (xuouz)

54 Has anyone seen my wife? It seems now that she won something, all media coverage has stopped. As if she isn't likeable, and must be protected from herself

Posted by: Bill from Chappaqua at February 25, 2016 02:12 PM (12kBq)

55 Trump could go full Hector Mountain Dew Camacho at the debate and still be the nominee at this point.

Actually, that'd probably increase his lead.

Posted by: brak at February 25, 2016 02:12 PM (MJuTN)

56 Exit Question: Is Rubio, in whom so many have trusted so many hopes, actually attempting to get Trump elected, in order to be his VP and be guaranteed to be the nominee in 2020 or 2024?

Ace

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Well, that's got to be it doesn't it.

He's hitting Cruz to eliminate him from VP consideration.

Posted by: WisRich at February 25, 2016 02:12 PM (hdpay)

57 ace is a trip.

Posted by: eleven at February 25, 2016 02:12 PM (qUNWi)

58 The establishment foisted George H W Bush on Ronald Reagan in 1980.

Maybe the establishment plans to use marco polo in the same way? Put our guy in, and we will support you; or else...

Posted by: rd at February 25, 2016 02:12 PM (v0YLX)

59 50 Define the word "neocon" please. I'm guessing it's a three-letter word.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 25, 2016 02:08 PM (zLP1L)

Don't feed the troll
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 25, 2016 02:11 PM (mw8Dm

I was feeding it with rhetorical lead.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 25, 2016 02:13 PM (zLP1L)

60 38 So, I take it that Ace isn't trying to hump Mr. Rubio's leg anymore? :-)

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at February 25, 2016 02:10 PM (Saqzi)

Ace is aiming for Rubio's leg, but that's so he can pee on it.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present moment) at February 25, 2016 02:13 PM (u0lmX)

61 Trump knows in a one on one [against Cruz] he loses and handily.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 25, 2016 02:09 PM (zLP1L)

Huh? That's kind of out there, JJ. There's no evidence, whatsoever, that Trump loses any sort of primary race to anyone, whether one-on-one or full field.

If any Trump voters preferred Cruz they'd likely be voting for Cruz in the actual primaries that are going on.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 25, 2016 02:13 PM (zc3Db)

62 If he really is anti-establishment, it's his only move. Either that or he picks me.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 25, 2016 02:12 PM (zLP1L)

If he does, does that come with a room at Trump Towers?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 25, 2016 02:13 PM (mw8Dm)

63 After that, it's a wide open race. If Dondi can be knocked out, then a race between Cruz and Trump is one that Cruz will win.

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Hmmm. Yeah. Okay.

Posted by: Soona at February 25, 2016 02:13 PM (Fmupd)

64
OK. Back to work.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 25, 2016 02:13 PM (zLP1L)

65 Rubio has nothing to gain by attacking Trump. He and Trump have teamed up to get Cruz out of the race.

Rubio believes if he can push out Cruz, people will support him as the rational choice over Trump.

He's in for a rude awakening.

Posted by: Lauren at February 25, 2016 02:14 PM (8uiG4)

66 The establishment motto is "Anyone But Ted!"
and they are getting their wish.
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Yep, the Pragmatists are actually Purity Republicans. Funny, that.

I gotta tell ya', I'm so glad that my primary* is a week from Saturday. After I cast my vote proudly for Ted Cruz, I'm checking out of this shit-show until/unless the GOP voters come to their senses and nominate someone I can trust.

*Actually, it's a "caucus" although it appears to be a different type of caucus. It's just voting (on paper ballots) in a room 25' away from the candidates' tables manned by supporters.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at February 25, 2016 02:14 PM (t5zYU)

67 Trump knows in a one on one he loses and handily. That's why Dondi is being his butt boy and neither is attacking each other.

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Yeah... go with that. And Cruz was actually my first pick. (well Walker was actually).

But I'm also a realist. Trump is going to be our parties nominee whether you think so or not.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 25, 2016 02:14 PM (8XRCm)

68 What the hell does Rubio bring to the table to be Trump's VP - NOTHING.

Sessions VP all the way.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 25, 2016 02:14 PM (LXJ1e)

69 Trump knows in a one on one [against Cruz] he loses and handily.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 25, 2016 02:09 PM (zLP1L)

Huh? That's kind of out there, JJ. There's no evidence, whatsoever, that Trump loses any sort of primary race to anyone, whether one-on-one or full field.

If any Trump voters preferred Cruz they'd likely be voting for Cruz in the actual primaries that are going on.

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Yeah, I don't know if this is true, but I think Cruz would benefit more if Rubio were to drop out than vice versa.

Posted by: SH at February 25, 2016 02:15 PM (gmeXX)

70 Ace, answer to exit question-- most likely.

Posted by: kraken at February 25, 2016 02:15 PM (sdxPm)

71 Ace, Rubio's running for President, his plan is to keep anyone from getting the required delegate count to win the nomination on the first ballot. Delegates are only pledged for the first ballot, after that they can be bought, cajoled or forced to vote however the wind blows. Which way do you think the wind will be blowing in the convention hall packed with establishment figures?

Posted by: Joe at February 25, 2016 02:15 PM (QFnhZ)

72 He's hitting Cruz to eliminate him from VP consideration.
Posted by: WisRich at February 25, 2016 02:12 PM (hdpay)

They are Palinizing Ted Cruz.

They know he is going to be there in four years, eight years, and a long time to come.

Posted by: rd at February 25, 2016 02:15 PM (v0YLX)

73 I'd also like it if Cruz starts in on how the young and the voters for Obama were scammed. How they were swindled by a con man and a con party.
That fits in with the I'm a victim mentality of these people and may be the only way to reach them.
Posted by: naturalfake at February 25, 2016 02:11 PM (0cMkb)

Great point. I love this.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 25, 2016 02:15 PM (xuouz)

74 At this stage I wonder if Cruz' best option is to make a deal for Trump to put him on the Supreme Court, assuming Bitch McConnell and Chuck Grassley could be ~~forced~~ persuaded into signing off on it.

Posted by: MTF at February 25, 2016 02:15 PM (0spTc)

75 Remember when Trump said that you have to be a little establishment? A Rubio VP pick would not surprise me at all.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 25, 2016 02:15 PM (kTF2Z)

76 Rufio is a male whore. He does whatever his Gope/johns tell him to do.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 25, 2016 02:15 PM (TOk1P)

77 I expect Trump to treat both of them as his personal assistants in any future debates. And, as ones that he intends to eventually fire.

Posted by: Roy at February 25, 2016 02:15 PM (VndSC)

78 "Rubio is running for VP" and "Trump will pick Rubio to be his VP" are two separate concepts.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at February 25, 2016 02:10 PM (RD7QR)

Well ... if Mario thinks that he's running for Trump's VP then he's even more deluded than I thought - which is pretty friggin deluded.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 25, 2016 02:16 PM (zc3Db)

79 So I'm asking myself. Is this thread cluttering my mind?

Posted by: Soona at February 25, 2016 02:16 PM (Fmupd)

80 Define the word "neocon" please. I'm guessing it's a three-letter word.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton

I always thought it was someone who used to be liberal but became a conservative. Like Bill Bennett.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 25, 2016 02:16 PM (FkBIv)

81 Rubio as VP and attack dog against Hillary on foreign policy could go a long way to inoculating Trump against her attacks. Rubio campaigning heavily in Spanish about the difference between legal and illegal immigration would too. Rubio's shamelessly ambitious enough to swallow his pride and do as he's told.

Obvious, it'd be a marriage of convenience, and a terribly awkward one at first, but I can imagine them becoming an effective duo.

*shrugs*

Posted by: Walter Freeman at February 25, 2016 02:16 PM (21hN3)

82 So that does beg the question Ace, who would Trump consider as VP candidates?

Does stay with the renegade theme or pick from the field of candidates running against him.

Posted by: WisRich at February 25, 2016 02:16 PM (hdpay)

83 At this stage I wonder if Cruz' best option is to make a deal for Trump to put him on the Supreme Court, assuming Bitch McConnell and Chuck Grassley could be forced persuaded into signing off on it.

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I don't think that is remotely possible, but if it was, I could probably get on board with Trump.

Posted by: SH at February 25, 2016 02:16 PM (gmeXX)

84 no one is palinizing Cruz, half of the palinizing was done by palin. she finished her palinizing with her endorsement of trump.

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 25, 2016 02:16 PM (vb33c)

85 Yeah... go with that. And Cruz was actually my first pick. (well Walker was actually).
But I'm also a realist. Trump is going to be our parties nominee whether you think so or not.
Posted by: fixerupper at February 25, 2016 02:14 PM (8XRCm)

That was my exact path to Trump. Walker -> Cruz ->Koolaid.

He's going to win the white house.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 25, 2016 02:16 PM (xuouz)

86 Trump/Rubio?

Well....shit.

Posted by: eleven at February 25, 2016 02:17 PM (qUNWi)

87 The hell.

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$500.00

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Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at February 25, 2016 02:17 PM (KCQo0)

88 I don't think being nice or mean really factors in too much for the VP selection. Bottom line, you choose the VP you think will help you the most. Who cares if you like them or not.

Posted by: SH at February 25, 2016 02:17 PM (gmeXX)

89 >>>Poli Sci Phd says there's a 97% chance Trump wins.....the general election.<<<<

A reality show president is perfect fit for our current reality show government.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at February 25, 2016 02:17 PM (tEDMc)

90 I soooooooooooo hope Trump asks Rubes to be VP and he accepts.

It kills two birds with one stone.

1) It destroys the hearts and minds of all of the Rubebots about how he's, really, truly, a conservative champion and we just can't see it. We're just too mean. We're just led on by the "entertainment" wing of the party (i.e. the group of people most of these cheerleaders were a part of, but they just aren't quite successful enough).

2) It will make almost (not all, some will forever worship him) all of the Trump supporters come to grips with that which is obvious: Donald Trump is lying to you about immigration and how tough he'll be on it. Picking the weakest candidate in the field on immigration to be his VP...you simple can't ignore that.

Posted by: Rich at February 25, 2016 02:18 PM (MIdlN)

91 You know why Rubio won't attack Trump? He doesn't want he the guns of battleship Trump trained on him.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 25, 2016 02:18 PM (LXJ1e)

92 Sponsor a plane ticket for Marco as he travels the country. To show our appreciation, you'll receive:

...a nifty full size color poster to put on your bedroom wall.

Posted by: Roy at February 25, 2016 02:18 PM (VndSC)

93 It seems to me that "hey you aren't picking on other candidates hard enough" is an extremely weak attack. I don't get who that would be meant to persuade. Would a voter who is trying to decide between Rubio and Cruz (let's posit that these voters exist) decide to side with Rubio on that basis? I don't think even a Republican strategist can make that pretzel logic work.

Unless they are trying to pick a "why don't you and him fight" thing. Maybe they figure if those two bloody themselves on each other, that leaves Mr. Positive out front. And would turn the Cruz voter away from being a Trump voter once Cruz drops out.

That would seem a more likely approach, but I don't see that working, either.

Posted by: blaster at February 25, 2016 02:18 PM (2Ocf1)

94 That said, it won't happen. Trump won't pick him and Rubes won't accept it. But god I'd love it.

Posted by: Rich at February 25, 2016 02:18 PM (MIdlN)

95 There is a rather long list of candidates who have attacked Trump straight on and quickly been run out of the race in total defeat.

Also, Hillary tried to attack Trump with the anti-woman thing and Trump slammed her into silence by talking about Bill's womanizing.

After March 1, the race will be between Trump and Cruz, with Cruz limping.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 25, 2016 02:18 PM (3myMJ)

96 Rubio's running for Governor of FL in 2018, although if he doesn't have the balls to go after Trump now, that should hurt him in 2020.

Posted by: gewa76 at February 25, 2016 02:18 PM (w+87S)

97 Rubio needs a job, so I get it, and whether it's VP or a croupier, Trump can provide it (maybe he gave Sara a hunting lodge gig in Alaska, who knows).

Rubio would be a disaster for Trump as a VP as he stands for Amnesty and flies in the face of Trump's signature issue.

Posted by: CLN at February 25, 2016 02:18 PM (/L5rT)

98 Rubio as VP and attack dog against Hillary on foreign policy could go a long way to inoculating Trump against her attacks. Rubio campaigning heavily in Spanish about the difference between legal and illegal immigration would too. Rubio's shamelessly ambitious enough to swallow his pride and do as he's told.

Obvious, it'd be a marriage of convenience, and a terribly awkward one at first, but I can imagine them becoming an effective duo.

*shrugs*
Posted by: Walter Freeman at February 25, 2016 02:16 PM (21hN3)

Rubio is a lightweight and does nothing as an attack dog. He is dan quayle or paul ryan not Dick Cheney.

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 25, 2016 02:18 PM (vb33c)

99 Yeah, I don't know if this is true, but I think Cruz would benefit more if Rubio were to drop out than vice versa.

Posted by: SH at February 25, 2016 02:15 PM (gmeXX)

Yes. That is possible. My mistake on my original comment. My apologies to JJ.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 25, 2016 02:18 PM (zc3Db)

100 A neocon is a kind of weasel, records showing that they were first discovered in the National Review strata, and are a subspecies of liberals.

Posted by: kraken at February 25, 2016 02:19 PM (sdxPm)

101 ...establishment foisted George H W Bush on Ronald Reagan in 1980...

And RWR gets hit by a bullet that officially has an unbelievable trajectory. That's why GHWB picked Quayle, WJC picked Gore, GWB picked Chaney, and Obama picked Biden.

Posted by: scorecard at February 25, 2016 02:19 PM (1uTkE)

102 Rubio as VP? Why not, its a canny move.

Posted by: Ben H at February 25, 2016 02:19 PM (gJEsZ)

103 my guess is his strategists have tutored him to go after the guy everybody hates (which isn't true, but a continuing meme) and play the uniter, as evidenced in his spiel the morning after nevada.

Posted by: concrete girl at February 25, 2016 02:19 PM (0KgAM)

104 They are Palinizing Cruz. I agree.

Mika actually said "ewww" when his name came up recently.

Posted by: eleven at February 25, 2016 02:19 PM (qUNWi)

105 What if Teh Donald just decides to invite teh Heb! back onto the stage for ol' times sake. You know, so Donald can use him as a punching bag some more.

Aside from that, it's gonna be Cruz throwin' down with Donald all night. Will also be interesting to here the crowd this go round.

Posted by: Dead Parrot Society at February 25, 2016 02:19 PM (AJeMv)

106 That was my exact path to Trump. Walker -> Cruz ->Koolaid.

He's going to win the white house.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 25, 2016 02:16 PM (xuouz)

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I knew there was a reason I liked you, kid.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 25, 2016 02:19 PM (8XRCm)

107
Trump with Cruz VP - impeachment insurance
Trump with Rubio VP - impeachment attempts guaranteed

Posted by: simplemind at February 25, 2016 02:20 PM (JTwsP)

108
A reality show president is perfect fit for our current reality show government.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living

I'm waiting for the USA telethon which has a guy playing "Born To Be Wild" on the violin.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 25, 2016 02:20 PM (FkBIv)

109 "What the hell does Rubio bring to the table to be Trump's VP - NOTHING. "

About all I see too.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 25, 2016 02:20 PM (LA7Cm)

110 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 25, 2016 02:18 PM (zc3Db)

Although, I would add that in Nevada Trump beat both Cruz and Rubio COMBINED. So, there's that. Just Nevada but still ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 25, 2016 02:20 PM (zc3Db)

111 83 At this stage I wonder if Cruz' best option is to make a deal for Trump to put him on the Supreme Court, assuming Bitch McConnell and Chuck Grassley could be forced persuaded into signing off on it.

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I don't think that is remotely possible, but if it was, I could probably get on board with Trump.
Posted by: SH at February 25, 2016 02:16 PM (gmeXX)

Bitch would jump at the chance to get his biggest PITA out of the Senate permanently.

I'd love to see VP Cruz presiding over the US Senate. Just to watch Juan, Ms. Lindsey, and Big Bitch squirm!

Posted by: rd at February 25, 2016 02:20 PM (v0YLX)

112 Ace: "Even when Rubio is begged to dispute Trump, he contrives some way to agree with him."

It's a miscoding of the Rubiobot due to America lacking qualified STEM graduates to reprogram the macro. It's more proof that the Disney Employee Replacement Program needs to be expanded in Florida.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 25, 2016 02:20 PM (1CroS)

113 As I said, I will hold my nose and vote for Trump for the sole purpose of jabbing a stick in the eye of the GOP while hoping that he might actually do what he says he will every third or fourth day when his message doesn't contradict what he says every other day.

And I will pull the lever with substantially less reluctance for Cruz knowing full well, that if he is elected, he won't change zip. How will he be able to?

Under no circumstances will I vote for Rubio.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at February 25, 2016 02:20 PM (4ng05)

114 Yeah, I don't know if this is true, but I think Cruz would benefit more if Rubio were to drop out than vice versa.

Posted by: SH at February 25, 2016 02:15 PM (gmeXX)

you are right. none of Cruz's supporters are going to switch to rubio.

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 25, 2016 02:20 PM (vb33c)

115 >>>>Boobio isn't going to be Trump's VP pick. There's not even a snowball's chance in hell of that.<<<<<

That doesn't mean Trump didn't put his hand's on his shoulders and look him in the eye and said,"Marco, you're my number one guy...."

Dondi, not being very bright (McCain, Graham, and Schumer sent him out to the truck for a left handed smoke catcher--and he went) would eat it up.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at February 25, 2016 02:20 PM (tEDMc)

116 also, no way in the world that Rubio can come up with one-liners to stump the trump, he's too robotic - thats just the way he is, he's not a guy who can come up with the quick comeback

Posted by: Ben H at February 25, 2016 02:21 PM (gJEsZ)

117 This "go after Trump" idea is pointless and doomed to fail. Hear me out on this because I am not a GOP consultant and may actually know what I'm talking about.

Any superficial attack by Rubio or Cruz against Trump will gain no traction with his supporters because Trump addresses deeply held concerns they have about immigration and trade and Make America Great Again. If you talk about some thing that Trump said or his tax return or whatever, you will gain nothing and he will lose nothing. People who want to Build A Wall do not care that Trump is not a True Blue Conservative or that he has only passing knowledge of the Bible or that he contradicted himself at some point.

Here's another way to look at it. People who like Bernie like him because he addresses very serious concerns they have, however misguided they may be. We will all laugh at the stories of how Bernie is a leftist bum who never held remunerative employment until he was mayor of Burlington and who lived in a garden shed with a wood floor because he was a lazy dirty smelly hippie, but the people who love Bernie do not give a shit about that. Bringing up that story is a great way to get LOLs out of us, on this side, but does precisely zero to dislodge Bernie supporters.

It works the same way with Trump. People who are committed to the idea of Build A Wall and are now emotionally invested in Trump are not going to give half a damn about whatever the oppo-research interns manage to troll up off Lexis/Nexis. This is a stupid fantasy from people who make their living from selling oppo-research papers trolled up by interns off Lexis/Nexis.

And I want to make this point, too -- If Rubio "attacks" Trump he is going to get attacked back and it will be much worse. Rubio lacks the temperament for that kind of combat. Watch how he gets shrill and jumpy and his eyes fish around. This kind of attack mode is not in his skill set. Keep in mind -- Trump played a heel in the WWE (then WWF) universe. Call it cartoonish, call it campy, whatever you want, but it is a skill. It is a dramatic, rhetorical skill, and he is miles better at it than Rubio. Remember Trump's comeback in the first debate, the line about Rosie O'Donnell. That kind of made-for-Twitter instant zinger awaits any slip-up by Rubio.

Posted by: Brewdog at February 25, 2016 02:21 PM (ZgUuK)

118 Nothing Cruz does in the debate tonight matters because the deck is stacked, both in terms of the debate "moderation" itself and the spin afterwards.

Look, Cruz absolutely CRUSHED the Q4 fundraising numbers last month. The only one close on fundraising was Carson, who was no where near Cruz on burn rate. Rubio's fundraising, burn rate, and cash on hand were well behind Cruz. But because that didn't fit the Narrative, there was very little made of this.

Now look at their home states. Cruz is winning Texas, but the "analysis" from the GOPe types is that it's not by enough...

Meanwhile, Rubio loses Florida to Trump.

Mr Electable has yet to win a state.

In the Nevada caucuses, which Rubio pre-emptively claimed would be stolen by Cruz -- and on caucus night his whiny minions freaked out b/c they didn't know the G.D. caucus rules so they accused Trump of cheating -- Rubio got one more delegate than Cruz.

But CRUZ IS IN TROUBLE!

Trump is an unacceptable nominee to me, but so is Rubio at this point.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at February 25, 2016 02:21 PM (t5zYU)

119 Exit Question:

Posted by Ace at 02:01 PM Comments

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What are you, Allahpundit?

Posted by: NotCoach at February 25, 2016 02:21 PM (rsudF)

120 Went out to pick up the mail and noticed both front tires on the car going flat. Nothing like standing out in the cold wind pumping up tires with a pissant compressor.

As far as these asshats attacking each other what happened to the RR 11th commandment. You can criticize an opponent by contrasting how you would handle a situation vs how they did. All attacking an opponent does is give ammunition to your enemies, and yes for Republicans that includes the press.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 25, 2016 02:21 PM (t2KH5)

121 Is Trump even gonna be in this debate?

Posted by: @votermom at February 25, 2016 02:21 PM (cbfNE)

122 The play is, as you note, to try and force Trump to pick Rubio as his VP.

Rubio CAN NOT win the nomination.

IDGAF what the commentator class says--he will get 0 delegates from TX, FL and OH.

ZERO.

Just like his chances of winning.

If you think I'm wrong, show me the numbers. Show me the states Rubio will win or come in second. Then show me the delegates he will have compared to the delegates the others will have.

When you've done that, you'll reach the same conclusion I have:
He. Can't. Win.
No way, no how.

But, he can keep Cruz from winning.

And then, like a snake, he thinks he will curry favor with Trump and be rewarded--"look at how I kept Cruz from winning, look how I attacked Cruz for you."

And Trump will say, "I never needed you, kid--how stupid do you think I am? You would only make me look weak. I go with winners, not 3rd place losers."

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 25, 2016 02:22 PM (fQ/0p)

123 118 Trump is an unacceptable nominee to me, but so is Rubio at this point.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at February 25, 2016 02:21 PM (t5zYU)

They are all unacceptable to me.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 25, 2016 02:22 PM (t2KH5)

124 107
Trump with Cruz VP - impeachment insurance
Trump with Rubio VP - impeachment attempts guaranteed

Yes! Trump would be stupid to choose the VP candidate , the GOPe is drooling about

Posted by: CLN at February 25, 2016 02:22 PM (/L5rT)

125 A PAC oughta run for a week that eagle chest tatted torso with Ted's head photoshopped on with a voice over reciting the Bill of Rights playing God Bless America in the background.

The Marxists would soil themselves on the air. It's fun watching them gasp for breath to shout their denunciations.

Posted by: DM at February 25, 2016 02:22 PM (j/tOh)

126 Yesterday I mentioned Dondi had never been asked about his TPA vote. Read the transcipt last night from Megyn Kelly's preenfest...no mention, saw the questions on the MildAir questionaire today...no mention.

Yet Cruz is still credited by all the Trumpettes with being the author of the yet to be voted on TPP when he voted against TPA.

Dondi is the GOPe/Media prince all right.

Posted by: DanMan at February 25, 2016 02:22 PM (RusNE)

127 "they turn to Rubio and ask him to comment on some ignorant, confused statement Trump has made" ace

Trump sounds ignorant or confused at times, when playing the political game he is fairly new at. Some items he seems to just give a reflexive response, not having participated in the years of blogger debates on the proper views. He is getting polished as the weeks go by.

But to dispel the "this guy is an idiot" theme, ghost of kari posted this cspan coverage of Trump testifying to congress on intricate issues, and the members of the committee agreeing with him, thanking him, as he gets into the weeds on tax policy and tax code to promote housing investment, and how to rein it in if needed. It is impressive, that he obviously knows a lot of detail off the cuff, and sounds fairly conservative to me. He even talks of how the tax code was pushing money into stock markets as the only game in town, instead of more necessary places.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rksd80-FCAw

but yeah, Rubio is way behind Trump in FL, he is the one that should drop out ... but he is the establishment hope now, so thinks that is his trump card.

Posted by: Illiniwek at February 25, 2016 02:22 PM (eUbDe)

128 >>>>>>>>>
Trump with Cruz VP - impeachment insurance
Trump with Rubio VP - impeachment attempts guaranteed

Lol, that's pretty funny.

Posted by: Rich at February 25, 2016 02:23 PM (MIdlN)

129 86 Trump/Rubio?

Well....shit.
Posted by: eleven at February 25, 2016 02:17 PM (qUNWi)

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The alternative (which includes sitting out the election) is Clinton/Castro.

I will gladly vote Trump/Rubio.

Posted by: Soona at February 25, 2016 02:23 PM (Fmupd)

130 wrong blog.... the "Feel the Bern" Supporters bashing "THe Cankles" blog is thataway... --------->

Posted by: fixerupper at February 25, 2016 02:10 PM (8XRCm)

Sorry I'm a conservative of the power through strength not force variety. With several family members that are veterans or active duty can you blame me for not wanting them sacrificed for the pipe dream of a peaceful middle east democracy?

Posted by: KillianThyme at February 25, 2016 02:23 PM (n2r4H)

131 Trump hurts his chances if he picks Rubio. Break even with Cruz. I think Trump will pick a surprise that seems obvious after he does it.

Posted by: scorecard at February 25, 2016 02:23 PM (I0sxh)

132 @98: "Rubio is a lightweight and does nothing as an attack dog. He is dan quayle or paul ryan not Dick Cheney."

Quayle was running with elder Bush, and Ryan with Romney, neither of who were political strongmen. Each reflected the personality of the other.

Rubio could discover a genuine inner tough guy when standing beside the nastiest guy to run for president in recent history.

Maybe, maybe not. I dunno.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at February 25, 2016 02:24 PM (21hN3)

133 Actually I have come to the conclusion that I would pull the lever for Rubio if necessary.

I will vote for face cancer over Hillary.

Posted by: eleven at February 25, 2016 02:24 PM (qUNWi)

134 A dirt floor. I said Bernie lived in a garden shed with a wood floor. He actually lived in a garden shed with a dirty floor. Maybe I made that mistake because I have a hard time wrapping my mind around the idea of a grown-ass adult choosing to live in a garden shed with a dirt floor (really, that means no floor at all) because he's such a crazed commie lunatic that he is unemployable and spent all his time raging about capitalist oppression, and now actual adults would like to elect him to be President of the United States, hence the typo word glitch.

Posted by: Brewdog at February 25, 2016 02:24 PM (ZgUuK)

135 If Trump eventually won president and Rubio avoided a scorched earth campaign, I have now doubt he would have a prominent position in a Trump administration. Perhaps not VP, but something quite substantial.

Given that Rubio is out of public office after his term, this may be what Rubio is angling for.

Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at February 25, 2016 02:24 PM (TFWFz)

136 Somebody -- Cruz, Rubio, somebody, anybody -- better attack Trump and fast.

Because it is a sure thing Hillary and her media operatives are just waiting for the GOP Convention to end to pull the trigger on their already written and ready to go Trump's-been-allied-with-the-Mafia-Construction Trades-Axis for years stories.

And everyone who ever saw the Sopranos or a Scorsese movie is going to be spring loaded to believe it.

Posted by: Raspail at February 25, 2016 02:24 PM (QolCq)

137
Huh? That's kind of out there, JJ. There's no evidence, whatsoever, that Trump loses any sort of primary race to anyone, whether one-on-one or full field.

If any Trump voters preferred Cruz they'd likely be voting for Cruz in the actual primaries that are going on.

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Yeah, I don't know if this is true, but I think Cruz would benefit more if Rubio were to drop out than vice versa.
Posted by: SH at February 25, 2016 02:15 PM (gmeXX)

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I said this on the other thread about Cruz dropping out, it applies to Rubio dropping out too.

Cruz will need 100% of Rubio supporters to defeat Trump. Trump only needs 50% of Rubio supports to defeat Cruz (maybe less).

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 25, 2016 02:24 PM (LXJ1e)

138 If Trump picks Cruz, just watch all the "principled party loyalists and life long Republicans" jump on the Hillary Bandwagon.

(And if it happens, I will hand out candy like a Palestinian on 9/11! Death to the GOPe!)

Posted by: rd at February 25, 2016 02:24 PM (v0YLX)

139 Of course Rubio wants to be Trump's VP pick.

What else has Mario got? He's not going to get elected to the senate again. He has no job skills. He's not a lawyer. He's not that bright. So VP would be a great job for him. Largely ceremonial, not much too do, lots of free time, plus you get a six-figure salary, free house, and lots of great perks.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at February 25, 2016 02:25 PM (df5V4)

140 Some of this is simply because Rubio's support and Trump's support don't overlap like they do with Cruz and Trump.

Admit it, a Trump/Rubio ticket would be pretty potent in a General Election.

Posted by: Tivoli at February 25, 2016 02:25 PM (6ejxM)

141 I can't wait for the boardroom scene. The Donald with a stern look on his face, flanked by Donald Jr. and Ivanka, while on the other side of the table Mario, Teddy and Kaisich talk over each other, blame each other, and say its not their fault.

Which one will he choose? Tune in next time to find out.

Ohhh, I love a cliffhanger...

Posted by: tommylotto at February 25, 2016 02:25 PM (A3a8d)

142 135 If Trump eventually won president and Rubio avoided a scorched earth campaign, I have now doubt he would have a prominent position in a Trump administration. Perhaps not VP, but something quite substantial.

Given that Rubio is out of public office after his term, this may be what Rubio is angling for.
Posted by: Wonk with Pigtails at February 25, 2016 02:24 PM (TFWFz)

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Put him in charge of building the wall.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 25, 2016 02:25 PM (LXJ1e)

143 Rubio is not going to attack Trump that hard because Trump wields the atomic sledgehammer of truth.

What's the attack line from Mr. Amnesty: Trump isn't conservative enough?

Run with that!!! Look Cruz is toast. When Trump is running 10 points ahead with Evangelicals it's over folks.

I think he made a fatal error in what he did to Carson in Iowa. And if Cruz folks can't own up to it, you're simply deluding yourself.

Posted by: prescient12 at February 25, 2016 02:25 PM (W7w/T)

144 Picking the weakest candidate in the field on immigration to be his VP...you simple can't ignore that.

Posted by: Rich

Challenge......accepted.

Posted by: Trumpets at February 25, 2016 02:25 PM (YXmuI)

145 I'm surprisingly OK with Trump Pres, Rubio VP, Cruz SCOTUS. It's like a seperation of powers thing where they each inhibit the others' worst excesses.

Posted by: ZBBMcFate at February 25, 2016 02:26 PM (k7D+q)

146 The sad part is I'm not even enjoying Trumpmania anymore.

Posted by: Lauren at February 25, 2016 02:26 PM (8uiG4)

147 My path to Trump:

Perry-->Walker-->Cruz-->OMFG am I really going to have to vote for this guy?

Yes I am. And I will.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 25, 2016 02:26 PM (kTF2Z)

148 Because it is a sure thing Hillary and her media operatives are just waiting for the GOP Convention to end to pull the trigger on their already written and ready to go Trump's-been-allied-with-the-Mafia-Construction Trades-Axis for years stories.

And everyone who ever saw the Sopranos or a Scorsese movie is going to be spring loaded to believe it.
Posted by: Raspail

So now you're saying NY and NJ will both flip for Trump?

Posted by: Tivoli at February 25, 2016 02:26 PM (6ejxM)

149 Sorry I'm a conservative of the power through strength not force variety. With several family members that are veterans or active duty can you blame me for not wanting them sacrificed for the pipe dream of a peaceful middle east democracy?
Posted by: KillianThyme at February 25, 2016 02:23 PM (n2r4H)

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I think you'll find your not the only one.

But the posters here that do have sons and daughters in the military here (Im one) dont wrap themselves up in it either to buttress their cred.

Like I said..... Thataway ---------->

Posted by: fixerupper at February 25, 2016 02:27 PM (8XRCm)

150 130 With several family members that are veterans or
active duty can you blame me for not wanting them sacrificed for the
pipe dream of a peaceful middle east democracy?

Posted by: KillianThyme at February 25, 2016 02:23 PM (n2r4H)

The ME has never been peaceful and has never been a Democracy. Not since Adam and Eve walked the earth. If we have idiots here in the US that think we can force that on them we need to pack those idiots up and send them over there.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 25, 2016 02:27 PM (t2KH5)

151 2 He's running for VP. He's got pollsters, the pollsters say he can't win, so he's taking the consolation prize.
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You

I got nothin' beyond that. The Content Portion of the thread is now over. From here on out, it's boobs (of both the combover and brassiere variety) and hobos.

Posted by: zombie at February 25, 2016 02:27 PM (jBuUi)

152 I'd like to someone to ask Trump, how is he going to hold liberals to account for all the harm they've done, and bring up the examples of liberal mismanagement of Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, and NY. Throw in the IRS, EPA, and State Department for fun.

Posted by: Iblis at February 25, 2016 02:27 PM (9221z)

153 Jeff Sessions for VP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Nick in South Bend at February 25, 2016 02:28 PM (a7FXx)

154 If DT picks the 'establishment' guy as VP, he gets RNC money. As of today, Dondi is the establishment guy. If he is on the ticket, no way could I even hold my nose (remember DT is as old as Clinton). We'll see. Cruz avoids that mess, and the mess with DT's finances and pending lawsuits (Trump University, etc). Go Cruz!

Posted by: mustbequantum at February 25, 2016 02:28 PM (MIKMs)

155

I'm not enjoyng Trumpmania either. I see we as usual are boned. The only side benfit is watching GOPe squirm and twist

Posted by: ThunderB at February 25, 2016 02:28 PM (zOTsN)

156 44
Maybe Cruz should just ignore Rubio and focus all his energy on the
front-runner. "You're not my competition Marco, Donald is. Let the big
boys discuss this issue." Get kind of condescending about it but
focus all attacks on Donald.

This. What's sustaining Trump is the perception that he's the alpha male. He's not, he's the alpha mouth, but the only shot for beating him (absent a complete meltdown by Trump) is for Cruz to just brutally kick him in the teeth and shatter that image. He should laugh at Trump, mock him, belittle him. Mr. Ego(Trump) will melt down when treated as inconsequential or weak.

Image a moment at the debate tonight when Trump is overtalking the moderators to insult the other candidates. (It happened last time and Cruz said "That's not how adults behave" or some such weaksauce debate club nonsense)

Now imaging Cruz stepping up to his mic and saying:

"Donald. Shut the fuck up"

You can debate the language, but I think Cruz should go the full monty here, what's he got to lose?

Could very well be an "I paid for this microphone" moment.

Posted by: Weirddave at February 25, 2016 02:28 PM (N8hFs)

157 i don't think mario is successful with the "anger" tactic.

when he tried it with the spanish thing, cruz tko'd him.

Posted by: concrete girl at February 25, 2016 02:28 PM (0KgAM)

158 I just finished giggling through the Game of Thrones: Winter is Trumping video.

https://youtu.be/I0tE6T-ecmg

I bet the people who made it think it's anti-Trump

Posted by: @votermom at February 25, 2016 02:28 PM (cbfNE)

159 "At this stage I wonder if Cruz' best option is to make a deal for Trump to put him on the Supreme Court"

As much as I would love that, Trump and his band of destructive adolescent fanboys have made that impossible by successfully misrepresentating Cruz as a creepy Canadian Liar who lies about lying. It has worked to perfection and to the point where it, imo, severely threatens the political future of one of the true goodguys.

How in the hell can anyone put that toothpaste back in the tube after this?

Posted by: Jaws at February 25, 2016 02:29 PM (Jktp1)

160 Some of us won't vote for a ticket that has any Trump or Amnestio on it.

We held our nose for Bush, Dole, Bush, Bush, McAmnesty, and Mittens.

We want something appetizing this time.

Posted by: setnaffa at February 25, 2016 02:29 PM (BtRXi)

161 Mark Levin absolutely tore apart the Super Mario Rubio Brother yesterday.

Listed, in Levin's usual meticulous detail, the extremely long list of Rubio staffers with ties to the amnesty lobby. Hell, there's no "ties to" for most of them. They ARE the amnesty lobby in person.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 25, 2016 02:29 PM (noWW6)

162 The Republicans learned the lessons of astroturfing from the dems, and they have perfected it - or so they believe. They have turned astroturfing into Borking anyone who is unacceptable to them. Cruz has been eviscerated. Trump was attacked at first, but the establishment caught on to how much they are hated and how much attacking Trump caused him to become more popular. Now, they are content to make him look like a caricature which requires almost no effort. This is chess and Rubio is who they want to remain standing in the end.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at February 25, 2016 02:29 PM (4ng05)

163 not much of a Trump fan but he can beat hillary and bill.

trump already aired out his "I will prosecute hillary" line earlier this week. how great is it going to be in a debate with hillary when he turns to her and says "not only do I know you broke the law and endangered lives but I am going to put you in jail for it after I am elected."

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 25, 2016 02:29 PM (vb33c)

164 Is Rubio, in whom so many have trusted so many hopes, actually
attempting to get Trump elected, in order to be his VP and be guaranteed
to be the nominee in 2020 or 2024?

It's hard to question motive given no one knows whether or not Trump will be up to the job or if Trump will be re-electable. EX: Dan Quayle (who had the good sense to not run for POTUS).

I think there are too many "ifs" for the Dainty Flower Man to take into consideration so I'm just assuming he's in it to win it because he hates being a Senator.

Posted by: CozMark at February 25, 2016 02:30 PM (CbGSW)

165 If Rubio really wanted to unite the Republican Party against Trump, he should announce at the debate that he's stepping out of the race and endorsing Cruz for President for the good of the nation. He should also ask Carson and Kasich to step out of the race too. That would be great political television. That would be a bold and selfless gesture by Rubio. It would endear him to many conservatives and tea party voters in FL that he backstabbed by flipping on amnesty.

Unfortunately, Rubio won't do that cause he's an establishment hack who only cares about himself. He's a lazy, self opportunist that only cares about Rubio. I'm like Ace and don't see the appeal of Rubio. He hasn't accomplished much in his life(except getting elected) and he wants to be President? I don't think he's even VP material. It's amazing how so many "smart" people can like a guy who's basically as "bright" as Obama. Just because he can recite a few hopey quotes from memory doesn't make for a good President.

Posted by: Dobby at February 25, 2016 02:30 PM (b1uWI)

166 " I think Trump will pick a surprise that seems obvious after he does it."

I'm leaning that way. Someone no one's mentioned or really been thinking about.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 25, 2016 02:30 PM (LA7Cm)

167 Jeff Sessions can kiss my rosy Irish ass.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at February 25, 2016 02:31 PM (t5zYU)

168 Now imaging Cruz stepping up to his mic and saying:

"Donald. Shut the fuck up"

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I do think Jeb should have said that at the last debate when Trump started talking about how his brother caused 9/11. If you are going to go down, at least go down showing some family pride.

Anyway, I'm not big on the vulgarity - though sometimes it is necessary. But I guess if that is what the people want, might as well give it to them.

Posted by: SH at February 25, 2016 02:31 PM (gmeXX)

169 If Cruz is the man I think he is , he will refuse to accept any position in a Trump administration. Cruz also not likely to be able to overcome any Senate confirmation hearing. The Dems would do everything they could to derail it with the assistance of a number of GOPe senators.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 25, 2016 02:31 PM (dwNYN)

170 So now you're saying NY and NJ will both flip for Trump?
Posted by: Tivoli

That's been my theory for months and I'm still sticking with it, despite many poo-pooers who claim the NY is too commie.

That jibes with this article trending now:

http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/24/ political-science-professor-odds-of-president-trump-range-between-97-and-99/

Political Science Professor: Odds Of President Trump Range BETWEEN 97% AND 99%

"A political science professor who claims his statistical model has correctly predicted the results of every election in the last 104 years has forecast that the odds of Donald Trump becoming America's next president currently range from 97 percent to 99 percent.

The professor is Helmut Norpoth of Stony Brook University, reports The Statesman, the campus newspaper at the public bastion on New York's Long Island.

Specifically, Norpoth predicts that Trump has a 97 percent chance of beating Hillary Clinton and a 99 percent chance of beating Bernie Sanders."

Posted by: zombie at February 25, 2016 02:31 PM (jBuUi)

171 As much as I would love that, Trump and his band of destructive adolescent fanboys have made that impossible by successfully misrepresentating Cruz as a creepy Canadian Liar who lies about lying. It has worked to perfection and to the point where it, imo, severely threatens the political future of one of the true goodguys.

How in the hell can anyone put that toothpaste back in the tube after this?
Posted by: Jaws

I would love Cruz for the Supreme Court but no way will he get through the Senate confirmation.

It would be like Obama nominating Hillary Clinton. Even with over 60 Republicans in the Senate it would be tough.

But I have no issue with Trump making that promise to Cruz that he will nominate him.

Posted by: Tivoli at February 25, 2016 02:31 PM (6ejxM)

172 I'm actually tuning out the Rubio people who try and make this argument:

"Cruz spent months not attacking him. Why should Rubio attack him now?"

Me: Okay, fine: Cruz laid off of Trump for a long while because the campaign was littered with the carcasses of all who had previously attacked him. At least he's been attacking Trump for a while. When is Rubio going to start attacking Trump, too?

WHY DO YOU WANT HILLARY TO WIN?!

Seriously, it's this effing stupid. Not all Rubio supporters are like this, of course, but I swear that some of Marco's more rabid fans want to physically have his baby.

Posted by: physics geek at February 25, 2016 02:31 PM (MT22W)

173 I'm liking Megyn Kelly for Trump's Veep. But I'd settle for Carly Fiorina.

Posted by: Ed at February 25, 2016 02:31 PM (QolCq)

174 I want to get off Donald Trump's wild ride

Posted by: GOP at February 25, 2016 02:31 PM (MJuTN)

175

Rubios only hope of winning is getting Cruz to drop out before TX and throwing all his support to Rubio

thats what Rubio, and Kasich (guess he is Rubio's pick for veep now) are advocating

you guys ready for a Rubio/Kasich ticket

because that looks like the play

Posted by: ThunderB at February 25, 2016 02:31 PM (zOTsN)

176 Yes; I think he wants to be Trump's VP.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 25, 2016 02:32 PM (w4NZ8)

177 IF trump wants a political guy for his vp he should choose gingrich.

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 25, 2016 02:32 PM (vb33c)

178 If Barack is the Magic Negro to the Democrat Party,

Would that make Marco the Magic Hispanic to the GOPe?

Posted by: Dave C at February 25, 2016 02:32 PM (tGBt6)

179
I doubt either Trump or Marco would accept Rubio as VP.

Besides, the word is Trump will pick Palin for VP again.

Posted by: Ed Anger at February 25, 2016 02:32 PM (RcpcZ)

180 Rubio doesn't attack Trump because he knows Trump would squash him like the squish that he is. Trump would open a can of medieval whoop-ass that would finish Rubio's campaign.

Posted by: Stay out da bushes at February 25, 2016 02:32 PM (rZJS9)

181 Yes. Rubio is angling for VP.

And Cruz should call him out on it tonight.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 25, 2016 02:32 PM (so+oy)

182 So now you're saying NY and NJ will both flip for Trump?
Posted by: Tivoli

That's been my theory for months and I'm still sticking with it, despite many poo-pooers who claim the NY is too commie.

That jibes with this article trending now:

http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/24/ political-science-professor-odds-of-president-trump-range-between-97-and-99/

Political Science Professor: Odds Of President Trump Range BETWEEN 97% AND 99%

"A political science professor who claims his statistical model has correctly predicted the results of every election in the last 104 years has forecast that the odds of Donald Trump becoming America's next president currently range from 97 percent to 99 percent.

The professor is Helmut Norpoth of Stony Brook University, reports The Statesman, the campus newspaper at the public bastion on New York's Long Island.

Specifically, Norpoth predicts that Trump has a 97 percent chance of beating Hillary Clinton and a 99 percent chance of beating Bernie Sanders."
Posted by: zombie

It's a nice thought but I think you would need something like Bloomberg or Bernie as a 3rd party to be in the mix to pull that off.

Posted by: Tivoli at February 25, 2016 02:32 PM (6ejxM)

183 12 Is TX winner taker all or proportional?
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 25, 2016 02:06 PM (0LHZx)

All I know is the Gov Abbot and Gov Perry endorse Ted Cruz commercial is getting old...

Posted by: cajun caret at February 25, 2016 02:33 PM (QfUjv)

184 "much as I would love that, Trump and his band of destructive adolescent fanboys have made that impossible by successfully misrepresentating Cruz as a creepy Canadian Liar who lies about lying. It has worked to perfection and to the point where it, imo, severely threatens the political future of one of the true goodguys.
"

Yeah this has been really depressing.

Posted by: Lauren at February 25, 2016 02:33 PM (8uiG4)

185 I can't imagine Cruz dropping out anytime soon. I know they're both in the Senate, but I don't think Cruz has a high opinion of Rubio.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 25, 2016 02:33 PM (w4NZ8)

186 you guys ready for a Rubio/Kasich ticket

because that looks like the play
Posted by: ThunderB at February 25, 2016 02:31 PM (zOTsN)

Can they win Ohio???

Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at February 25, 2016 02:33 PM (/D5Lf)

187 Also, I think it's a Trump/Rubio ticket as well.

With a guarantee that Cruz gets on SCOTUS.

Folks, that's a DYNAMITE mover for 2016.

Posted by: prescient12 at February 25, 2016 02:33 PM (W7w/T)

188 The Dems would do everything they could to derail it with the assistance of a number of GOPe senators.

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Why? A supreme court justice sure that makes sense. That is a lifetime appointment. But why wouldn't you relish the opportunity to get one of the most conservative senators out of the Senate and into a cabinet spot?

Posted by: SH at February 25, 2016 02:33 PM (gmeXX)

189

they are already making noises

Rubio and Kasich are going to double team Cruz in Texas

sure Rubio, that will win you the state

Posted by: ThunderB at February 25, 2016 02:33 PM (zOTsN)

190 150 130 With several family members that are veterans or
active duty can you blame me for not wanting them sacrificed for the
pipe dream of a peaceful middle east democracy?

Posted by: KillianThyme at February 25, 2016 02:23 PM (n2r4H)

The ME has never been peaceful and has never been a Democracy. Not since Adam and Eve walked the earth. If we have idiots here in the US that think we can force that on them we need to pack those idiots up and send them over there.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 25, 2016 02:27 PM (t2KH5)

We gave it a try. Maybe we could have succeeded in Iraq, maybe not. We had to try, because the other solution is the three conjectures of Richard Fernandez.

And Bumbles the clown should be Damned to Hell for abandoning a relatively peaceful Iraq after we spent all those lives trying to fix it.

Now we will have no other options. Itvwill take a lot of death and destruction, and then someone will destroy entire dis functional civilizations.

Posted by: rd at February 25, 2016 02:33 PM (v0YLX)

191 Is TX winner taker all or proportional?
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Proportional but you have to get 20% or you get no delegates.

Rubio is not at 20%.

FL and OH are winner-take-all.

He's in 3rd and 4th, respectively, last I saw.

So, zero delegates for Rubio from TX, FL (his home state) and OH.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 25, 2016 02:33 PM (fQ/0p)

192 Besides, the word is Trump will pick Palin for VP again.
Posted by: Ed Anger

Hillary would win a landslide on that ticket. Trump is too smart for that freak show.

Posted by: Tivoli at February 25, 2016 02:34 PM (6ejxM)

193
If Dondi can be knocked out, then a race between Cruz and Trump is one that Cruz will win.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton

Mathematically impossible.

Best optimistic sparkle pony case based on current polls, Cruz gets 1/3 of the delegates in the proportional states next week. Avant Trump, that's where Tedward was supposed to build up his big lead before the nominally moderate dominated WTA states.

Where does he get the rest of the delegates he needs after that? Grabbing Big Blue and Purple states from Trump?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 25, 2016 02:34 PM (kdS6q)

194 Is Rubio, in whom so many have trusted so many hopes, actually
attempting to get Trump elected, in order to be his VP and be guaranteed
to be the nominee in 2020 or 2024?

If so, it's obvious Rubio never watched The Apprentice.

One may scoff at it being just a reality show, but I think it did offer a fair amount of insight into Trump and how he views, well, quislings.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks, proudly wearing the at February 25, 2016 02:34 PM (eytER)

195 179
I doubt either Trump or Marco would accept Rubio as VP.

Besides, the word is Trump will pick Palin for VP again.
Posted by: Ed Anger at February 25, 2016 02:32 PM (RcpcZ)

If he does he will lose.

Posted by: cajun caret at February 25, 2016 02:34 PM (QfUjv)

196 Trump plus Cruz - I vote
Trump plus Rubio - let it burn

Rubio will shiv Trump in the back, early and often.

I shouldn't have to explain this to you.

Posted by: mega machines at February 25, 2016 02:34 PM (fbovC)

197 "183 12 Is TX winner taker all or proportional? "

Both. If someone gets more than 50% they get all the delegates. If not, everyone over 20% splits them.

Posted by: Lauren at February 25, 2016 02:34 PM (8uiG4)

198 "not only do I know you broke the law and endangered lives but I am going to put you in jail for it after I am elected."

Fuck that would be so beautiful.

Posted by: eleven at February 25, 2016 02:34 PM (qUNWi)

199 I'd pay good money to see Trump say, "... and about me releasing my tax returns. I've decided that in the spirit of fairness and openness, I will release my tax returns within one hour of when Obama's transcripts are unsealed. Until then, the matter is closed for discussion."

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at February 25, 2016 02:34 PM (4ng05)

200 @179: "Besides, the word is Trump will pick Palin for VP again."

Um, no. No, it's not. All you have to do is go back and watch their endorsement presser, and you'll see how uncomfortable he was throughout.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at February 25, 2016 02:34 PM (21hN3)

201 Rubio and Cruz are two hungry wolverines trapped in a canvas sack.

Trump is the guy holding the sack, at arm's length.

Posted by: zombie at February 25, 2016 02:34 PM (jBuUi)

202 Joe: "Ace, Rubio's running for President, his plan is to keep anyone from getting the required delegate count to win the nomination on the first ballot. Delegates are only pledged for the first ballot, after that they can be bought, cajoled or forced to vote however the wind blows. Which way do you think the wind will be blowing in the convention hall packed with establishment figures?"

This. It is soooo this. ^^^

The GOP desperately hopes for a brokered convention in order to defy the burgeoning Trumpenproletariat.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 25, 2016 02:34 PM (1CroS)

203 Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 25, 2016 02:27 PM (t2KH5)

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The only ones in history who seemed to get the ME right were the Khans.

Posted by: NotCoach at February 25, 2016 02:35 PM (rsudF)

204 Trump should pick Susana Martinez for VP and fuck over Mario..

http://tinyurl.com/gshmbg7

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 25, 2016 02:35 PM (so+oy)

205 Exit Question: Is Rubio, in whom so many have trusted so many hopes, actually attempting to get Trump elected, in order to be his VP and be guaranteed to be the nominee in 2020 or 2024?

Well Mario should know I have a long memory.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 25, 2016 02:35 PM (voOPb)

206 Um, no. No, it's not. All you have to do is go back and watch their endorsement presser, and you'll see how uncomfortable he was throughout.

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Yeah, I haven't seen her since.

Posted by: SH at February 25, 2016 02:35 PM (gmeXX)

207 134 A dirt floor. I said Bernie lived in a garden shed with a wood floor. He actually lived in a garden shed with a dirty floor. Maybe I made that mistake because I have a hard time wrapping my mind around the idea of a grown-ass adult choosing to live in a garden shed with a dirt floor (really, that means no floor at all) because he's such a crazed commie lunatic that he is unemployable and spent all his time raging about capitalist oppression, and now actual adults would like to elect him to be President of the United States, hence the typo word glitch.
Posted by: Brewdog at February 25, 2016 02:24 PM (ZgUuK)

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The only thing between Bernie and the Unibomber is the bomb.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 25, 2016 02:36 PM (LXJ1e)

208 Is TX winner taker all or proportional?
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 25, 2016 02:06 PM (0LHZx)

All I know is the Gov Abbot and Gov Perry endorse Ted Cruz commercial is getting old...
Posted by: cajun caret

Proportional unless you hit over 50%, which no poll has Cruz at.

Cruz will probably take it, but I could see him "winning" but only having like 35% of the vote total.

Posted by: Tivoli at February 25, 2016 02:36 PM (6ejxM)

209 Rubio will shiv Trump in the back, early and often.

I shouldn't have to explain this to you.
Posted by: mega machines at February 25, 2016 02:34 PM (fbovC

I would like to see the blow hard shived. Shived hard.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 25, 2016 02:36 PM (voOPb)

210 Trump is behind in Texas

Rubio and Kasich attacking Cruz only helps Trump if it works

But Rubio and Kasich are teaming up

Posted by: ThunderB at February 25, 2016 02:36 PM (zOTsN)

211 Trump is the only Alpha-Male in this race. We haven't had an Alpha-Male run for the republican nomination since Reagan. Make of that what you will.

Posted by: Stay out da bushes at February 25, 2016 02:37 PM (rZJS9)

212 I'm liking Megyn Kelly for Trump's Veep. But I'd settle for Carly Fiorina.
Posted by: Ed

Nobody doesn't like Sara Lee.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 25, 2016 02:38 PM (FkBIv)

213 199 I'd pay good money to see Trump say, "... and about me releasing my tax returns. I've decided that in the spirit of fairness and openness, I will release my tax returns within one hour of when Obama's transcripts are unsealed. Until then, the matter is closed for discussion."

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at February 25, 2016 02:34 PM (4ng05)

__________________________________________

Make it one week so we can confirm they are Bozo's transcripts. All grades should read "Affirmative Action Pass".

Posted by: NotCoach at February 25, 2016 02:38 PM (rsudF)

214 A Rubio-Kasich ticket ain't all bad Electoral College politics. At least from a traditional Electoral College analysis.

Posted by: Ed at February 25, 2016 02:38 PM (QolCq)

215 I'm confused, Ace. Is this a contest to see who's more macho? Or a contest to win? I'm a Rubio supporter, and I've done no whining about Cruz or Trump, except to call them out on their lies. Rubio isn't clean either, but for me, he still represents the best option.

IMO, his strategy ought to be getting rid of Cruz and the other two clowns. NOBODY who has gone after Frumpy so far has done anything but suffer. My calculus says that will only change (if at all) when there are only 2 me standing.

Posted by: FE517 at February 25, 2016 02:38 PM (eBfSi)

216 The way the debates have been going so far Rubio and Cruz are going to end up arguing with each other in Spanish while Trump shouts, "Can't we talk American!" and Kasich makes hand gestures.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at February 25, 2016 02:38 PM (tEDMc)

217 I speculated early in this primary season that Cruz and Trump were collaborating because very early in the game Trump was saying nice things about Cruz and Cruz was at least not trashing Trump. They even appeared to speak on the same platform a few times.

I have now let go of that idea.

Posted by: Sambo at February 25, 2016 02:38 PM (CwNIZ)

218 It makes no sense for Trump to have Rubio as his VP. Rubio is for amnesty, Trump is against it. Also, Rubio probably would lose FL. Rubio lied to the conservatives/tea party voters about amnesty. They will not show up to vote for Rubio on the ticket. Trump can't afford to lose FL if he expects to win.

Also, Rubio has an incredibly weak resume. He's really not even VP material.

Posted by: Dobby at February 25, 2016 02:38 PM (b1uWI)

219 Yes ace
Mario is and always was running for the VP spot

Posted by: Navycopjoe at February 25, 2016 02:38 PM (apMNK)

220 In the years to come you will all look back on all of this and be thankful that you have such a wise and just leader as I.

COZMARK for BENEVOLENT DICTATOR 2020!

Posted by: CozMark at February 25, 2016 02:39 PM (CbGSW)

221 210 Trump is behind in Texas

Rubio and Kasich attacking Cruz only helps Trump if it works

But Rubio and Kasich are teaming up
Posted by: ThunderB at February 25, 2016 02:36 PM (zOTsN)

Gee the establishment turds are joining forces. There's a shock. Is Kasich going to whine about how everyone is being so mean again too?

Posted by: buzzion at February 25, 2016 02:39 PM (z/Ubi)

222 Now look at their home states. Cruz is winning Texas, but the "analysis" from the GOPe types is that it's not by enough...

Meanwhile, Rubio loses Florida to Trump.

Mr Electable has yet to win a state.

In the Nevada caucuses, which Rubio pre-emptively claimed would be stolen by Cruz -- and on caucus night his whiny minions freaked out b/c they didn't know the G.D. caucus rules so they accused Trump of cheating -- Rubio got one more delegate than Cruz.

But CRUZ IS IN TROUBLE!

Trump is an unacceptable nominee to me, but so is Rubio at this point.
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Well there is the part about Rubio beating Cruz in the past two primaries that you left out.

Posted by: ajmojo at February 25, 2016 02:39 PM (1H9ox)

223
But Rubio and Kasich are teaming up
Posted by: ThunderB at February 25, 2016 02:36 PM (zOTsN)

If that's the case, then that should spell the end for Rubio. Rubio and Kasich together is as bad as imagining Kasich alone.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at February 25, 2016 02:39 PM (4ng05)

224 Well, I see it as two things.
1.> Of course Rubio is going after Trump's veep slot.
2.> Candidates have a bad habit of dying the moment that they head on attack Trump.

The Zman did a good job covering this last December using Cruz as an example:

"..that seems to be the plan Cruz has been banking on for months. His act has been to avoid taking on Trump, letting the others take the beating while he lies low, waiting for his moment.

That sounds a like a great plan, but it assumes Cruz has not already hit the same ceiling we have seen over the past year with other candidates. They bubble up to about 18% and then start to decline again. It also assumes he can survive contact with Trump, something no one has done so far. In fact, the sign that your campaign is over has been when Donald Trump says your name."

Link in sig.

Posted by: other joe_mama at February 25, 2016 02:39 PM (13W9U)

225 It's actually not that hard to figure out.

Trump's voters are the Extremely dissatisfied vote, the burn it all down folks, none of those people are going to go for Rubio, ever. Because Rubio isn't going to burn anything down.

Cruz has two kinds of voters, those above, and some people who just like the Constitution but don't really hate anyone. This second type, could switch to Rubio.

So Rubio needs to weaken Cruz, but Trump isn't affecting him, those people are never leaving Trump for Rubio.

Also, the Carson, Kasich folks have a choice between Rubio and Cruz, they are unlikely to go to Trump. Again, Rubio needs to go after Cruz to get those voters.

Attacking Trump does not help Rubio in anyway.

It's not a conspiracy against Cruz, it is politics.

Posted by: petunia at February 25, 2016 02:40 PM (VoCyE)

226 This. It is soooo this. ^^^

The GOP desperately hopes for a brokered convention in order to defy the burgeoning Trumpenproletariat.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 25, 2016 02:34 PM (1CroS)

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I posted something similar in the last thread. This applies to Cruz too. Especially if he loses March 1 and stays in.

It'll mean the party rulers have told Cruz to stay in (along with Rubio) to keep Trump from winning 8 states outright.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 25, 2016 02:40 PM (LXJ1e)

227

GOPE people in Texas having been hoping for a Rubio/Kasich ticket

not kidding

Posted by: ThunderB at February 25, 2016 02:40 PM (zOTsN)

228 Trump has stated that he would like a politician as a VP (presumably an experienced hand with a long resume, I gather, since pragmatism is one of Trump's strengths).

This would exclude Rubio and Cruz and especially Rubio. An old hand is needed here. Which one, I don't know, but Sessions seems like a really good choice. It won't be a young buck.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 25, 2016 02:40 PM (1CroS)

229

they think Kasich moderates the radical conservative Rubio

Posted by: ThunderB at February 25, 2016 02:40 PM (zOTsN)

230 218
It makes no sense for Trump to have Rubio as his VP. Rubio is for
amnesty, Trump is against it. Also, Rubio probably would lose FL.
Rubio lied to the conservatives/tea party voters about amnesty. They
will not show up to vote for Rubio on the ticket. Trump can't afford
to lose FL if he expects to win.

Also, Rubio has an incredibly weak resume. He's really not even VP material.

Posted by: Dobby at February 25, 2016 02:38 PM (b1uWI)

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Good points. You're one of them folks that do that thinkin arncha?

Posted by: CozMark at February 25, 2016 02:41 PM (CbGSW)

231 Rubios only hope of winning is getting Cruz to drop out before TX and throwing all his support to Rubio
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Early voting in TX ends tomorrow.

Something like half or more of all votes have already been cast.

Rubio is done.

Look for him to sweat like crazy tonight as he sees even his chance at VP slipping away.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 25, 2016 02:41 PM (fQ/0p)

232 Cruz needs Trump voters to win, Rubio doesn't need Trump voters, he needs the other candidates voters

The math is that simple

Posted by: Tivoli at February 25, 2016 02:41 PM (6ejxM)

233 Macca Bean:

That was the EXACT advice Trump gave to Romney re Romney's tax returns. Sure O, I'll release my taxes as soon as you release your college records.

And look how loyalty to Romney is repaid. Fuck the GOPe.

Posted by: prescient12 at February 25, 2016 02:41 PM (W7w/T)

234 That said, it won't happen. Trump won't pick him and Rubes won't accept it. But god I'd love it.
Posted by: Rich at February 25, 2016 02:18 PM (MIdlN)

Yeah and that completely undermines your points 1 and 2, which aren't true.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 25, 2016 02:41 PM (xuouz)

235 Punk rubio has been ordered by neo-cons to be nice so trump will give him vice president nominee so neo-con artists can get their jobs back and foment new wars for haliburton $$$.

Posted by: trumph for presiident at February 25, 2016 02:41 PM (Fc7Oa)

236 A Rubio-Kasich ticket ain't all bad Electoral College politics. At least from a traditional Electoral College analysis.

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I suspect that is how many thought this thing would go. Its the Karl Rove method of presidential selection. Just play to get 280 votes. Yes you may win, but by playing that game, you will likely fall short. Play to get 400 votes and you may get there.

Posted by: SH at February 25, 2016 02:41 PM (gmeXX)

237 >>>>>>>>>>>>>Actually I have come to the conclusion that I would pull the lever for Rubio if necessary.

I will vote for face cancer over Hillary.

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I reach this point today. I'll vote for Trump or Rubio in a general against Hillary. Yea, they suck. But they're better than she is.

I won't vote for either in the primary, however.

Posted by: Rich at February 25, 2016 02:42 PM (MIdlN)

238 So many predictions, so little to back any of it up.

Look, we have entered the Post-Rational Era.

Every wonky reason to vote for so-and-so is out the reason. Every logical analysis of what will happen, based on past patterns, is also out the window.

Trump is winning not based on any policy of party affiliation or ideology. He is wining because he has about 80% of the testosterone in the race. Cruz and Hillary split the remaining 20%. Everyone else is at 0%.

Posted by: zombie at February 25, 2016 02:42 PM (jBuUi)

239 Also, the Carson, Kasich folks have a choice between Rubio and Cruz, they are unlikely to go to Trump. Again, Rubio needs to go after Cruz to get those voters.

Attacking Trump does not help Rubio in anyway.

It's not a conspiracy against Cruz, it is politics.
Posted by: petunia at February 25, 2016 02:40 PM (VoCyE)

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Sucks to be in the bottom tiers, but I think Carson voters will break disproportionately to Trump.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 25, 2016 02:42 PM (LXJ1e)

240 The only thing between Bernie and the Unibomber is the bomb.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 25, 2016 02:36 PM (LXJ1e)

Um, okay. That's a pretty big distinction.

Reminds me of a joke I heard once...

What's the difference between Mother Theresa and Michael Jackson?

Posted by: Sambo at February 25, 2016 02:42 PM (CwNIZ)

241 I'm confused, Ace. Is this a contest to see who's
more macho? Or a contest to win? I'm a Rubio supporter, and I've done no
whining about Cruz or Trump, except to call them out on their lies.
Rubio isn't clean either, but for me, he still represents the best
option.

IMO, his strategy ought to be getting rid of Cruz and the other two
clowns. NOBODY who has gone after Frumpy so far has done anything but
suffer. My calculus says that will only change (if at all) when there
are only 2 me standing.

Posted by: FE517 at February 25, 2016 02:38 PM (eBfSi)

Cruz hasn't lied. Period. Full stop.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 25, 2016 02:42 PM (OrI3J)

242 177 IF trump wants a political guy for his vp he should choose gingrich.
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He'd probably be more likely to want somebody with some military cred. Maybe Petraeus, or somebody like that? He'd probably like somebody like Colin Powell, but Powell is such a racist himself, he'd probably say no (hopefully).

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at February 25, 2016 02:42 PM (df5V4)

243 to vote for so-and-so is out the reason = to vote for so-and-so is out the WINDOW

Posted by: zombie at February 25, 2016 02:42 PM (jBuUi)

244 Rubio supporters seem to expect his opponents to do everything they can to get him elected. I don't think politics work that way.

Posted by: Bob at February 25, 2016 02:43 PM (fVGlW)

245
Now I'm calling all citizens from all over the world
This is Captain America calling
I bailed you out when you were down on your knees
So will you catch me now I'm falling

Posted by: President Barack "Unexpectedly" Obama at February 25, 2016 02:43 PM (e8kgV)

246 Canada turd crud is thru every can now sea he is just another slimy slick lawyer trying to con the jury. Nixon without nixons "charm."

Posted by: trumph for presiident at February 25, 2016 02:43 PM (Fc7Oa)

247 Is Rubio actually attempting to get Trump elected, in order to be his VP and be guaranteed to be the nominee in 2020 or 2024?

Probably not, he's probably just scared because of how Trump goes after people that attack him. However, I think Rubio in 2024 would be a much better candidate than now. Less slick, wiser, able to plausibly reverse previous positions if he can stay consistent for the next few cycles.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 25, 2016 02:43 PM (39g3+)

248 Um, okay. That's a pretty big distinction.

Reminds me of a joke I heard once...

What's the difference between Mother Theresa and Michael Jackson?

Posted by: Sambo at February 25, 2016 02:42 PM (CwNIZ)

What? She asks hesitantly...

Posted by: redbanzai at February 25, 2016 02:44 PM (OrI3J)

249 Also, Rubio is a better choice as Vice President because their voters don't overlap much.
I think Trump might be looking for more experience in his Vice President however. Someone who can show him the ropes more than Rubio can.

Posted by: petunia at February 25, 2016 02:44 PM (VoCyE)

250 I think he made a fatal error in what he did to Carson in Iowa. And if
Cruz folks can't own up to it, you're simply deluding yourself.

No, his mistake was in thinking that Carson would honorably accept an honest apology. He should have just said "Hey, if you wanna play in the bigs, you don't go home for underwear on April 1".

Posted by: Weirddave at February 25, 2016 02:44 PM (N8hFs)

251 I suspect that is how many thought this thing would go. Its the Karl Rove method of presidential selection. Just play to get 280 votes. Yes you may win, but by playing that game, you will likely fall short. Play to get 400 votes and you may get there.

Posted by: SH

There's something to that, when you play not to lose, you usually lose.

I especially loathe Kasich, but if I'm being honest, that ticket would likely beat Hillary.

Posted by: Tivoli at February 25, 2016 02:44 PM (6ejxM)

252 I've talked to numerous Texans about Cruz. What they remember is teddy bears and soccer balls.

Posted by: Soona at February 25, 2016 02:44 PM (Fmupd)

253 Can a candidate even save America?

Conservatives are the new Jews.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 25, 2016 02:44 PM (u82oZ)

254 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yeah and that completely undermines your points 1 and 2, which aren't true.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 25, 2016 02:41 PM (xuouz)

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Ugh, what? So it IS true that Marco IS a conservative champion? I think not.

And it IS true that Donald Trump is a border hawk ready to build a wall ASAP? I think not.

Whole lotta reasons Trump won't pick RUbio and Rubio won't accept, but the fact that it won't happen invalidates nothing I said. Trump is lying about the wall (as can be evidenced by any number of quotes he's made on immigration over the last 10 years) and Rubio isn't a conservative.

Posted by: Rich at February 25, 2016 02:44 PM (MIdlN)

255 228 Trump has stated that he would like a politician as a VP (presumably an experienced hand with a long resume, I gather, since pragmatism is one of Trump's strengths).

This would exclude Rubio and Cruz and especially Rubio. An old hand is needed here. Which one, I don't know, but Sessions seems like a really good choice. It won't be a young buck.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 25, 2016 02:40 PM (1CroS)

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Trump/Sessions 2016

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 25, 2016 02:45 PM (LXJ1e)

256 Sometimes bad is bad.

Posted by: Huge Luge and the Nudes at February 25, 2016 02:45 PM (FkBIv)

257 What? She asks hesitantly...
Posted by: redbanzai at February 25, 2016 02:44 PM (OrI3J)

One gave her entire life to serving the poor. The other one f***s little boys.

Posted by: Sambo at February 25, 2016 02:45 PM (CwNIZ)

258 Canada turd crud is thru every can now sea he is
just another slimy slick lawyer trying to con the jury. Nixon without
nixons "charm."

Posted by: trumph for presiident at February 25, 2016 02:43 PM (Fc7Oa)

Toddle off to Breitbart.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 25, 2016 02:45 PM (OrI3J)

259 Make America Great Again: "I posted something similar in the last thread. This applies to Cruz too. Especially if he loses March 1 and stays in."

Then you're both right. However, the GOPe would support Rubio. Not Cruz. Not at the convention. It would use Cruz and then dispose of him ASAP. This is all about getting Rubio the top spot. Rubio is CoC/GOPe to the core. He can't/won't get re-elected in Florida next term and he's a resource the GOPe doesn't want to lose.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 25, 2016 02:45 PM (1CroS)

260 TrivialPursuer at February 25, 2016 02:42 PM (df5V4)

You're testing me. Must Not Give In To The Snark.

Posted by: Max Rockastansky at February 25, 2016 02:45 PM (dwNYN)

261 Of course is going for VP. It's why he is content to 2nd and 3rd place wins.

The chamber of commerce wing of the GOP will eventually realize Trump is their friend, and Trump/Rubio will roll on to lubricate the ever more vigorous governmental/business ass-to-ass relationship.

Posted by: wooga at February 25, 2016 02:46 PM (CHQHx)

262 I have no idea why Trump supporters think he is against amnesty? You listened to one speech, then you refuse to hear he walk back.

But whatever.

Posted by: petunia at February 25, 2016 02:46 PM (VoCyE)

263 What? She asks hesitantly...

Posted by: redbanzai at February 25, 2016 02:44 PM (OrI3J)

One gave her entire life to serving the poor. The other one f***s little boys.

Posted by: Sambo at February 25, 2016 02:45 PM (CwNIZ)

OK that was so stupid it was funny.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 25, 2016 02:46 PM (OrI3J)

264 I hate to be that guy, but I really, really doubt Trump is gonna pick another white guy as VP.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at February 25, 2016 02:47 PM (21hN3)

265 Trump/Sessions 2016
Posted by: Make America Great Again

I would love that ticket, but usually a VP makes up on some place you have vulnerabilities with the electorate.

I don't think Trump is going to have any difficulty getting the border hawk vote. It's in the bag.

Posted by: Tivoli at February 25, 2016 02:47 PM (6ejxM)

266 very wonky reason to vote for so-and-so is out the reason. Every logical analysis of what will happen, based on past patterns, is also out the window.

Trump is winning not based on any policy of party affiliation or ideology. He is wining because he has about 80% of the testosterone in the race. Cruz and Hillary split the remaining 20%. Everyone else is at 0%.
Posted by: zombie at February 25, 2016 02:42 PM (jBuUi)

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Spot On.

Trump is running on dogma, or politics, or policy.
He running on attitude.

And hes winning with it.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 25, 2016 02:47 PM (8XRCm)

267 <it>252
I've talked to numerous Texans about Cruz. What they remember is teddy bears and soccer balls.</it>

That dumb move makes it hard for me to trust him on immigration. I will be voting for him in the NC primary to help Rubes pull third place.

Posted by: Valiant- Hot Air Suicide Watcher at February 25, 2016 02:47 PM (2bqlb)

268 My parents live in Texas... voting for Trump.

It's an outsider's election and Cruz is not outsider enough.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 25, 2016 02:47 PM (LXJ1e)

269 isnt

sheesh

Posted by: fixerupper at February 25, 2016 02:47 PM (8XRCm)

270 Trump will not select either Rubio or Cruz as VP.

Rubio is a loser, and Trump does not respect him.

Cruz he respects, but Trump wants to position himself as more of a Centrist for the general, so he will not pick a strong voiced Conservative here as his VP.

Trump may pick someone viewed more as a technocrat or centrist.

Maybe Mitch Daniels, maybe someone else.

I do not view myself as a "fanboy" of Trump. I am not favoring Trump, but he is almost inevitable, now. People that reject him outright are just rejecting what is really happening. The primary season these days leaves small chance for actual change of course by the voters. It's so front loaded with money-raising, viability of candidates, etc., that the field is defined and debates start and people make up their minds prior to the first voting in Iowa or New Hampshire, or whoever is made the first vote now or in the future.

Especially this season, as I think Trump actually started running at CPAC in early 2015, we he spoke as a populist "conservative", testing the waters.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....tortured American at February 25, 2016 02:47 PM (RFeQD)

271 You know what they say about catching flak- it means you're over the target.

Let the Cruz missles fly!

Posted by: pookysgirl at February 25, 2016 02:47 PM (K27gs)

272 This would exclude Rubio and Cruz and especially Rubio. An old hand is needed here. Which one, I don't know, but Sessions seems like a really good choice. It won't be a young buck.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel
.........
That's why I said Susana Martinez up there..
Washington outsider but experienced.. and Latino - a real Latino.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 25, 2016 02:47 PM (so+oy)

273 Laura Ingraham floated the idea of Trump/Rubio, as a way to unite those sides, and I guess win FL. I've been saying maybe Kasich to win the rust belt, but Kasich is maybe less popular than I thought. Trump needs a woman from the Ohio or rust belt area, that has been strong and well liked. I have no idea who that might be ... not a Haley.

Rubio still has to make payments on that boat, so he would be bought for an ambassadorship to Cuba maybe.

Posted by: Illiniwek at February 25, 2016 02:47 PM (eUbDe)

274 246 Canada turd crud is thru every can now sea he is just another slimy slick lawyer trying to con the jury. Nixon without nixons "charm."
Posted by: trumph for presiident at February 25, 2016 02:43 PM (Fc7Oa)

I don't mean to feed the troll but i lol'ed a little.

Posted by: cajun caret at February 25, 2016 02:48 PM (QfUjv)

275 Does anyone really think Trump is going to select (and they will accept) either Cruz or Rubio as VP if he is the nominee? What has Trump done in this election to make anyone think he will do something status quo-like? He is not my choice, and lord knows there are many times I find him less than impressive...but the man has political (and populist) instincts like almost no one I can remember seeing. Whomever he picks is going to be a goddamn H-bomb that no one saw coming...just like everything else he has done.

Now who that someone is...shit if I know. I sell insurance for a living. Maybe he'll go full bore immigration and select Sessions. Maybe he'll pull some conservative darling out of the woodwork and bring Scotty Walker or Rick Perry back into the game (please). Maybe he go full on political entertainer and convince El Rushbo to join him at 1600 Penn (I guess Hannity would be more likely).

Or he'll be the first person to nominate himself to be his own second in command.

Posted by: ajmojo at February 25, 2016 02:48 PM (1H9ox)

276 O/T On a bright note, I've finally decided to cut Facebook loose. I didn't think I would have any feelings about it, but I already feel better.

Out of 400 people, we'll see who really wants to stay in touch.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 25, 2016 02:48 PM (Wckf4)

277 Trump/Sessions 2016

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 25, 2016 02:45 PM (LXJ1e)

I will eat my hat if Sessions ever agrees to VP for Trump.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 25, 2016 02:48 PM (OrI3J)

278 Trump will not get my vote if Rubio shares the ticket with him. Period.

Posted by: Born Free at February 25, 2016 02:48 PM (Zqtpz)

279 The press are starting to go after Trump on his tax returns, but- oddly - they haven't been after Hillary to release any information at all about the emails she deleted, the Clinton Foundation givers list to the secret "foundation" moony gathering operations in Canada and Latin America, or the list of dates and details for joint travel that included Bill and Jeffrey Epstein.

Posted by: MTF at February 25, 2016 02:49 PM (0spTc)

280 Nobody doesn't like Sara Lee.

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Thanks! Can't wait to get to the WH. I'll make such great tablescapes!,

Oh...

Posted by: Sandra Lee at February 25, 2016 02:49 PM (kTF2Z)

281

I would love that ticket, but usually a VP makes up on some place you have vulnerabilities with the electorate.

I don't think Trump is going to have any difficulty getting the border hawk vote. It's in the bag.
Posted by: Tivoli at February 25, 2016 02:47 PM (6ejxM)

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It's a different game. Trump doesn't need a VP to shore up some weakness in the general. He needs a VP with experience to deal with Congress (that's Trump's weakness).

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 25, 2016 02:49 PM (LXJ1e)

282 Out of 400 people, we'll see who really wants to stay in touch.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 25, 2016 02:48 PM (Wckf4)

I'm going to go with 5. And they are probably people you already run across in your daily life anyway, or are family members.

Posted by: Sambo at February 25, 2016 02:50 PM (CwNIZ)

283 Yet Cruz is still credited by all the Trumpettes with being the author of the yet to be voted on TPP when he voted against TPA.

===

Cruz voted for TPA. In favor of.

A lot of his actions don't match his words. Its easy to miss.

Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at February 25, 2016 02:50 PM (3ZtZW)

284 That's why I said Susana Martinez up there..

Washington outsider but experienced.. and Latino - a real Latino.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 25, 2016 02:47 PM (so+oy)

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
If any candidate picks a Governor for VP it will be somebody from a swing state.

Posted by: CozMark at February 25, 2016 02:50 PM (CbGSW)

285 The press are starting to go after Trump on his tax returns, but

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Arent those diclossed when he files as a candidate.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 25, 2016 02:50 PM (8XRCm)

286 267 252
I've talked to numerous Texans about Cruz. What they remember is teddy bears and soccer balls.

That dumb move makes it hard for me to trust him on immigration. I will be voting for him in the NC primary to help Rubes pull third place.
Posted by: Valiant- Hot Air Suicide Watcher at February 25, 2016 02:47 PM (2bqlb)

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That's my problem with Cruz as well - it was an unforgivable move. Plus the fact that he continues to associate himself with bat-shit crazy Beck.

Posted by: Stay out da bushes at February 25, 2016 02:51 PM (rZJS9)

287 278 Trump will not get my vote if Rubio shares the ticket with him. Period.

Posted by: Born Free at February 25, 2016 02:48 PM (Zqtpz)

____________________________________________

Meh. Reagan picked H.W. I'm not calling Trump the next Reagan, but the VP means just about nothing when voting. Of course H.W. went on to serve one term himself, but only because he rode the coattails of Reagan.

Posted by: NotCoach at February 25, 2016 02:52 PM (rsudF)

288
One gave her entire life to serving the poor. The other one f***s little boys.

That's terrible.

I'm laughing but that isn't funny.

Posted by: eleven at February 25, 2016 02:52 PM (qUNWi)

289 I hate to be that guy, but I really, really doubt Trump is gonna pick another white guy as VP.

Exactly. We aren't going to see another "two white dudes" ticket in our lifetimes. White is not just old hat, but its considered stupid, weak, wrong, and desperately uncool. Just look at the way people use white as a pejorative: that guy is so white. He's the whitest person I've ever seen. That's stuff white people like.

White is the new n- word, circa 1950.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 25, 2016 02:52 PM (39g3+)

290 Does anyone really think Trump is going to select (and they will accept) either Cruz or Rubio as VP if he is the nominee? What has Trump done in this election to make anyone think he will do something status quo-like?

_____________

I think he wants to win and knows there is significant opposition from within the GOP that could be salvaged with a pick like that.

No way Cruz will be the VP, simply too much vitriol and he doesn't bring many new votes.

Rubio would likely deliver Florida which is halfway to becoming President.

Posted by: Tivoli at February 25, 2016 02:52 PM (6ejxM)

291 The press are starting to go after Trump on his tax returns, but- oddly - they haven't been after Hillary to release any information at all about the emails she deleted, the Clinton Foundation givers list to the secret "foundation" moony gathering operations in Canada and Latin America, or the list of dates and details for joint travel that included Bill and Jeffrey Epstein.

Posted by: MTF at February 25, 2016 02:49 PM (0spTc)

But of course, true journalists always look for a news story where the criminal intent just doesn't seem to exist!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 25, 2016 02:52 PM (wYnyS)

292
Trump may pick someone viewed more as a technocrat or centrist.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative

Who's left that he can get as VP is an interesting question. So many Republican pols have dialed their Trump hate up to 11, who can he pick that will:

1. Accept

2. Be of any possible electoral assistance

3. Uhhh - I forget the third one

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 25, 2016 02:53 PM (kdS6q)

293 ***"I'm going to go with 5."***

Probably a safe bet.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 25, 2016 02:53 PM (Wckf4)

294 The other one f***s little boys.

Then, he died, and suddenly became a saint, sanctified by death.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 25, 2016 02:53 PM (39g3+)

295 Trump secretly promised Rubio he'd get him a more muscular cigar boat if he backed off and attacked the Cuban-Canadian.

Posted by: Fritz at February 25, 2016 02:54 PM (UzPAd)

296 Exit Question: Is Rubio, in whom so many have trusted so many hopes, actually attempting to get Trump elected, in order to be his VP and be guaranteed to be the nominee in 2020 or 2024?

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I wish! Doubtful, Trump sounds like he needs political experience. I doubt he is stoked about taking advice from Marco. But he might use him somehow in the cabinet.

Posted by: Ace at 02:01 PM

Posted by: petunia at February 25, 2016 02:54 PM (VoCyE)

297 I think we should give some serious thought about VP and not just for electability purposes. I don't trust days ahead that I know are coming. We need to consider someone that would be a good president also.

Posted by: Soona at February 25, 2016 02:54 PM (Fmupd)

298 Arent those diclossed when he files as a candidate.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 25, 2016 02:50 PM (8XRCm)

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No. By law tax returns are private, including for anyone running for any office. Most presidential candidates willingly release them, but they aren't released by the IRS. They are private copies of what they sent to the IRS.

Posted by: NotCoach at February 25, 2016 02:54 PM (rsudF)

299 oops sorry about the tag line... I didn't see it. Ace didnt' write that.

Posted by: petunia at February 25, 2016 02:54 PM (VoCyE)

300 Obviously angling for VP. No other reason to hold fire on Trump.

Posted by: wte9 at February 25, 2016 02:54 PM (xYr9U)

301
Fox News : Cecil Effect threatens Zimbabwe's magnificent Lion population.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/hegz956

Won't you open your hearts and your homes to these marvelous creatures? For only a few dollars a day you can have a pair of these creatures in your home or on your ranch. Especially if you live along the US southern border where these apex predators will patrol your property lines deterring unwanted visitors.

Please, embrace nature. These giant cats are very affectionate and make wonderful companions and will keep your property safe from intruders.

Do your part for our global biosphere and adopt a pair of these animals today.

Posted by: Lesstore Mordeals at February 25, 2016 02:54 PM (1DsXs)

302 >>> I'd pay good money to see Trump say, "... and about me releasing my tax returns. I've decided that in the spirit of fairness and openness, I will release my tax returns within one hour of when Obama's transcripts are unsealed. Until then, the matter is closed for discussion."

>>>Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at February 25, 2016 02:34 PM (4ng05)

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Make it one week so we can confirm they are Bozo's transcripts. All grades should read "Affirmative Action Pass".

Posted by: NotCoach at February 25, 2016 02:38 PM (rsudF)

I love it! The only caveat is that I would prefer Trump held out for Barky's SAT and LSAT scores. As NotCoach writes, grades are essentially meaningless (being totally subjective at Ivies with tokens) but standardized test scores are objective.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 25, 2016 02:54 PM (zc3Db)

303 >>>>>>>>>>I think he wants to win and knows there is significant opposition from within the GOP that could be salvaged with a pick like that.

No way Cruz will be the VP, simply too much vitriol and he doesn't bring many new votes.

Rubio would likely deliver Florida which is halfway to becoming President.

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Think the idea of picking a VP to deliver a specific state needs to die in a fire. Rubio is down about a billion points to Trump in Florida right now, and, one wonders, if there isn't more to him not seeking reelection in the Senate. As in, maybe he didn't think he could win.

Posted by: Rich at February 25, 2016 02:55 PM (MIdlN)

304 It's a different game. Trump doesn't need a VP to shore up some weakness in the general. He needs a VP with experience to deal with Congress (that's Trump's weakness).
Posted by: Make America Great Again

A good Chief of Staff can supply that. Reagan was a Washington outsider but brought in a good team.

In most Administrations, the VP is pretty symbolic.

I just don't think an old white Senator from Alabama will net him one more vote in a General Election. But I love Sessions.

Posted by: Tivoli at February 25, 2016 02:55 PM (6ejxM)

305 I've talked to numerous Texans about Cruz. What they remember is teddy bears and soccer balls.

Posted by: Soona at February 25, 2016 02:44 PM (Fmupd)

Then they are remembering wrong.

Ted Cruz was stupid to be anywhere near Beck and Mike Lee, who was supposed to be there too, was smart to cancel BUT Ted Cruz went down to assess the situation and to deliver badly needed medical supplies. If you recall, they were having a serious medical crisis on account of Obama's actions and the congressional action was to provide relief and to highlight that.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 25, 2016 02:55 PM (OrI3J)

306 I think he made a fatal error in what he did to Carson in Iowa. And if
Cruz folks can't own up to it, you're simply deluding yourself.

His mistake was not coming out with a second "apology"

I am sorry some idiot in YOUR CAMPAIGN said you were going home and then to the DC Prayer Breakfast and NOT mentioning New Hampshire. Your campaign said it, not me. I am sorry My people believed you and CNN. I am not sorry your campaign and CNN made mistakes.

Accept this apology, or not. Our friendship can move on from here.

Posted by: rd at February 25, 2016 02:55 PM (v0YLX)

307 Joni Ernst? now THAT would be a fun ticket!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 25, 2016 02:56 PM (so+oy)

308 277 Trump/Sessions 2016

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 25, 2016 02:45 PM (LXJ1e)

I will eat my hat if Sessions ever agrees to VP for Trump.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 25, 2016 02:48 PM (OrI3J)

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Are you kidding me?

Sessions has spoken positively about Trump for a year now.

Hell, he arranged the first Trump rally of 35,000 people in Mobile.

Sessions put out of list of 5 questions and said that only Trump answered them all to his satisfaction.

He wrote Trump's immigration paper.

Session's chief of staff left to work in Trump's campaign.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 25, 2016 02:56 PM (LXJ1e)

309

oh man
this feels personal

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 25, 2016 02:56 PM (qCMvj)

310 Does anyone really think Trump is going to select (and they will accept) either Cruz or Rubio as VP if he is the nominee? What has Trump done in this election to make anyone think he will do something status quo-like?

_____________

I think he wants to win and knows there is significant opposition from within the GOP that could be salvaged with a pick like that.

No way Cruz will be the VP, simply too much vitriol and he doesn't bring many new votes.

Rubio would likely deliver Florida which is halfway to becoming President.

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Considering his track record in the Republican primaries, I don't know that Trump's strategy for winning the general involves salvaging any lost ground within the GOP. I think he views himself as bigger than that. And he may not be wrong.

Posted by: ajmojo at February 25, 2016 02:56 PM (1H9ox)

311 Most presidential candidates willingly release them, but they aren't released by the IRS.

Posted by: NotCoach at February 25, 2016 02:54 PM (rsudF)

Really ... ? But sometimes they just fall into envelopes and are mistakenly sent to news organizations. It's not our fault. Drives strategically crash. Returns fall into envelopes and are sent. Shit happens.

Posted by: Lois Lerner at February 25, 2016 02:56 PM (zc3Db)

312 Trump will probably pick someone like The Rock or Whoopi Goldberg for his VP. The guy is off the wall.

Two things though: the VP pick almost never actually changes voting, and the VP almost never makes it to the presidency.

There have been 47 different vice presidents of the USA so far. Of them, 14 became sitting presidents. Of those, 8 were due to the president dying in office. An additional 1 became president as the result of a resignation.

Only 4 went directly to become president after being VP.

Its just not a fast track to the big seat. Its a pretty meaningless job.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 25, 2016 02:57 PM (39g3+)

313 Exit Question: Is Rubio, in whom so many have trusted so many hopes, actually attempting to get Trump elected, in order to be his VP and be guaranteed to be the nominee in 2020 or 2024?

I always thought the strategy as VP to future prez was a weak one. I guess it could happen.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 25, 2016 02:57 PM (qCMvj)

314 Out of 400 people, we'll see who really wants to stay in touch.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 25, 2016 02:48 PM (Wckf4

The local radio station said that Faceblah should have an app that you can send people in your friends list a little video that says "Hi, who the f**k are you?"

Posted by: gapoz at February 25, 2016 02:57 PM (thyJJ)

315 And it IS true that Donald Trump is a border hawk ready to build a wall ASAP? I think not.
Posted by: Rich at February 25, 2016 02:44 PM (MIdlN)

There's being able to bend the rules of political gravity and then there's the impossible. Trump has to build a wall if he's elected president. It was the cornerstone of his announcement speech for god's sake, and he's never wavered on it, you might not think much of his credibility but 40% of Republicans apparently do, and that is GONE if he doesn't do it. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me that you'd dismiss it like that, as a given.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 25, 2016 02:57 PM (xuouz)

316 That's my problem with Cruz as well - it was an
unforgivable move. Plus the fact that he continues to associate himself
with bat-shit crazy Beck.

Posted by: Stay out da bushes at February 25, 2016 02:51 PM (rZJS9)

Hyperbole much?

Posted by: redbanzai at February 25, 2016 02:57 PM (OrI3J)

317 Think the idea of picking a VP to deliver a specific state needs to die in a fire. Rubio is down about a billion points to Trump in Florida right now, and, one wonders, if there isn't more to him not seeking reelection in the Senate. As in, maybe he didn't think he could win.
Posted by: Rich

Florida Cuban Republican would likely deliver Florida.

My guess is Rubio is at the top of Trump's list.

Even if you only want to say it helps Trump's Florida margin by 1-2%, that usually what the state comes down to.

You can't win without Florida and every election it is in play.

Posted by: Tivoli at February 25, 2016 02:58 PM (6ejxM)

318 That's my problem with Cruz as well - it was an unforgivable move. Plus the fact that he continues to associate himself with bat-shit crazy Beck.
Posted by: Stay out da bushes at February 25, 2016 02:51 PM (rZJS9)

Neither of those things are issues for me. I don't expect to agree with anyone 100% of the time. And I am as confident as I can be about anyone else's opinion of things that Cruz is fundamentally against illegal immigration. There has to be room in our political maneuverings for someone to have yielded to bad advice or to have made poor decisions, and still not be perma-banned from consideration.

Regarding Cruz' association with Beck... If you are a conservative I guarantee you agree with "bat-shit crazy Beck" far more often than you agree with the people Trump or Rubio associate with. Seriously. John McCain? I'd rather have a bat-shit crazy loyal person than an actual traitor to the cause. Trump has given money to the Clintons.

Posted by: Sambo at February 25, 2016 02:58 PM (CwNIZ)

319 Cruz is in 3rd place in Florida.

Posted by: Geoffrey at February 25, 2016 02:58 PM (1RQsP)

320 I am sorry some idiot in YOUR CAMPAIGN said you were going home and then to the DC Prayer Breakfast and NOT mentioning New Hampshire. Your campaign said it, not me. I am sorry My people believed you and CNN. I am not sorry your campaign and CNN made mistakes.

Accept this apology, or not. Our friendship can move on from here.
Posted by: rd at February 25, 2016 02:55 PM (v0YLX)

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Mark Steyn had the best wrap-up of the events and it doesn't look good for Cruz or his team. Link in nic.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 25, 2016 02:59 PM (LXJ1e)

321 "No, his mistake was in thinking that Carson would honorably accept an honest apology. He should have just said "Hey, if you wanna play in the bigs, you don't go home for underwear on April 1."

So if Carson had stolen votes from Cruz you'd just tell Cruz to be a good little victim? Yeah, I think not.

"Gee Dr. Carson, so I stole your television, stop whining about it."

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 25, 2016 02:59 PM (Ew7/Q)

322 Think the idea of picking a VP to deliver a specific state needs to die in a fire.
Posted by: Rich at February 25, 2016 02:55 PM (MIdlN)

Yeah, we all saw how Ryan delivered Wisconsin for Mittens in 2016.

It's an idea beloved by the likes of Karl Rove - but like all of his beloved ideas, it's outdated horseshit.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present moment) at February 25, 2016 02:59 PM (u0lmX)

323 Really ... ? But sometimes they just fall into envelopes and are mistakenly sent to news organizations. It's not our fault. Drives strategically crash. Returns fall into envelopes and are sent. Shit happens.

Posted by: Lois Lerner at February 25, 2016 02:56 PM (zc3Db)

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They aren't legally released by the IRS.

Posted by: NotCoach at February 25, 2016 02:59 PM (rsudF)

324 Rubio would likely deliver Florida which is halfway to becoming President.

Do you think that Floridians trust Rubio at all anymore?? Pfttt..

Posted by: gapoz at February 25, 2016 02:59 PM (thyJJ)

325 Cruz is in 3rd place in Florida.

I see him being Mr 3rd place from now on, with an occasional 2nd until he drops out. Wish it wasn't so, but that's how it seems to me.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 25, 2016 03:00 PM (39g3+)

326 rubio is the Latin guy frustrated middle-aged women wish they could have a fling with. To paraphrase Vince Vaughn he's the one they want grinding up on them making them feel dangerous yet safe. If he attacks Trump he risks losing his real base, white women who think they could really enjoy latin dancing.

Posted by: Redacted at February 25, 2016 03:00 PM (DBaSG)

327 sidebar

Ann Coulter: 'Anyone who talks about politics on TV isn't going to win them all, but when your horse takes a dump in every single race, week after week, why should we listen to you next time?' [rdbrewer]

so right, Ann!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 25, 2016 03:00 PM (qCMvj)

328 Its just not a fast track to the big seat. Its a pretty meaningless job.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor

It's certainly not a guarantee, but it puts you at the head of the line.

Most VPs could be the nominee next if they wanted it. Cheney didn't want it for health reason and Biden didn't want it because there's more scrutiny. Both could have been the nominees.

It's not a bad gig if you can swing it.

Posted by: Tivoli at February 25, 2016 03:00 PM (6ejxM)

329 Ted Cruz was stupid to be anywhere near Beck and Mike Lee, who was supposed to be there too, was smart to cancel BUT Ted Cruz went down to assess the situation and to deliver badly needed medical supplies. If you recall, they were having a serious medical crisis on account of Obama's actions and the congressional action was to provide relief and to highlight that.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 25, 2016 02:55 PM (OrI3J)

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Doesn't wash. I don't believe in giving medical aid or soccer balls or teddy bears to intentional invaders of my country.

Posted by: Soona at February 25, 2016 03:01 PM (Fmupd)

330 I like it Donna ... the Rove Equivalency.

I think you just coined a phrase.

Posted by: Irony at February 25, 2016 03:01 PM (BHaRb)

331 There have been 47 different vice presidents of the USA so far. Of them, 14 became sitting presidents. Of those, 8 were due to the president dying in office. An additional 1 became president as the result of a resignation.

Only 4 went directly to become president after being VP.

Its just not a fast track to the big seat. Its a pretty meaningless job.
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My math isn't so good...but 14/47 seems like a pretty damn good hit rate for one of the most powerful positions in the world. I'd take that gig rather than waiting 4-8 years to run again during which time the electorate could find out all the things I keep locked in a box under my nightstand.

Posted by: ajmojo at February 25, 2016 03:01 PM (1H9ox)

332 My country has in its wisdom contrived for me the most insignificant office that ever the invention of man contrived or his imagination conceived.. (Upon being elected as the first Vice President)

John Adams

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 25, 2016 03:01 PM (w4NZ8)

333 Ivanka Trump for VPOTUS.

Or VPOTUSILF.

Whatever.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks, proudly wearing the at February 25, 2016 03:01 PM (PFy0L)

334 OT- I tried to take a look at the Ann Coulter column by clicking on the link under NEWS-CHAT. That resulted in a warning that my passwords and banking info might be compromised and to call an 800 number. The warning box would not close. I disconnected the modem and ran anti-virus, which found nothing. Anyway, just thought I would mention that Ann Coulter link seems a little odd and perhaps should be removed.

Posted by: Well That Was Nuthin at February 25, 2016 03:02 PM (WyUvl)

335 Are you kidding me?

Sessions has spoken positively about Trump for a year now.

Hell, he arranged the first Trump rally of 35,000 people in Mobile.

Sessions put out of list of 5 questions and said that only Trump answered them all to his satisfaction.

He wrote Trump's immigration paper.

Session's chief of staff left to work in Trump's campaign.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 25, 2016 02:56 PM (LXJ1e)

First, I bet you he didn't write the backtracking Trump has done on deportation.

Second, Sessions is quite happy (and incredibly useful) where he is. I doubt he would accept a VP offer even from Cruz.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 25, 2016 03:02 PM (OrI3J)

336 "YOUR CAMPAIGN said you were going home and then to the DC Prayer Breakfast and NOT mentioning New Hampshire."

Does not equal quitting the campaign. That's why none of the other campaigns (not sure about Rubio's) went with it.

"Gee Dr. Carson, so I stole money out of your wallet, you shouldn't of had where I could get to it."

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 25, 2016 03:02 PM (Ew7/Q)

337 yankeefifth: "trump already aired out his 'I will prosecute hillary' line earlier this week. how great is it going to be in a debate with hillary when he turns to her and says 'not only do I know you broke the law and endangered lives but I am going to put you in jail for it after I am elected.'"

Next to a nationally televised duel, that would be the greatest political spectacle in American history.

Please let this happen. Then I can die happy.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 25, 2016 03:02 PM (1CroS)

338 Posted by: Tivoli at February 25, 2016 02:52 PM (6ejxM)

There is a little town in TX, called Tivoli. Any relevance to your handle?

Posted by: Sambo at February 25, 2016 03:02 PM (CwNIZ)

339 Rubio would likely deliver Florida which is halfway to becoming President.

I'm not convinced that Rubio is all that popular in Florida any more. There hasn't been any real evidence that a VP pick gives you their state for quite a while now anyway.

Trump is already going to be going centrist in the general election, so that's not a reason to pick a candidate either. My guess is he'll go for someone that makes LIV's go "wooo!!! F**k yeah!"

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 25, 2016 03:02 PM (39g3+)

340 Posted by: Soona at February 25, 2016 02:44 PM (Fmupd)

You haven't talked to too many. And the one's you did don't know why Cruz went there and what he did. Do you want to know?

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 25, 2016 03:02 PM (dwNYN)

341 They were both waiting for Trump to self-destruct. Knowing that he could be dangerous every day until then.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at February 25, 2016 03:02 PM (VdICR)

342 Rubio backstabbed the voters of Florida by flipping on amnesty. There's no way Trump picks him as VP.

Posted by: Dobby at February 25, 2016 03:02 PM (b1uWI)

343 Rob-io isn't programmed to attack Trump.

Posted by: Jon in TX at February 25, 2016 03:02 PM (3kKrd)

344 Think the idea of picking a VP to deliver a specific state needs to die in a fire.
Posted by: Rich at February 25, 2016 02:55 PM (MIdlN)

Yeah, we all saw how Ryan delivered Wisconsin for Mittens in 2016.

It's an idea beloved by the likes of Karl Rove - but like all of his beloved ideas, it's outdated horseshit.
Posted by: Donna and V

I still think it helps, and it certainly did not originate with Karl Rove.

Paul Ryan was a shitty pick though.

Posted by: Tivoli at February 25, 2016 03:03 PM (6ejxM)

345
Florida Cuban Republican would likely deliver Florida.

My guess is Rubio is at the top of Trump's list.

Even if you only want to say it helps Trump's Florida margin by 1-2%, that usually what the state comes down to.

You can't win without Florida and every election it is in play.
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Rush Limbaugh lives in Florida. And he smokes Cubans.

Posted by: ajmojo at February 25, 2016 03:03 PM (1H9ox)

346 My guess is he'll go for someone that makes LIV's go "wooo!!! F**k yeah!"

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 25, 2016 03:02 PM (39g3+)

The Donald/Bernie ticket!!!

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present moment) at February 25, 2016 03:04 PM (u0lmX)

347 Rubio may not be angling for the VP under Trump, since anything that happens under a Trump admin would reflect on him and the GOPe clearly thinks he's some horrendous monster.

Besides, Trump would want someone he can respect.

Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at February 25, 2016 03:04 PM (3ZtZW)

348 VP pick is obvious ...

...Vince McMahon.

Posted by: Irony at February 25, 2016 03:04 PM (BHaRb)

349 My math isn't so good...but 14/47 seems like a pretty damn good hit rate for one of the most powerful positions in the world.

If you take out the deaths and resignations, that number becomes 5/47. And you can discount another because he (Nixon) had to wait a decade before getting the job, suggesting his VP seat was no help at all.

So, not real great odds.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 25, 2016 03:04 PM (39g3+)

350 So if Carson had stolen votes from Cruz you'd just tell Cruz to be a good little victim? Yeah, I think not.

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Stolen votes? And the proof of this is..... ?

Posted by: Lady in Black...Death to the Man Bun! at February 25, 2016 03:05 PM (pVkEV)

351 So, not real great odds.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 25, 2016 03:04 PM (39g3+)

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word

Posted by: Al Gore at February 25, 2016 03:05 PM (8XRCm)

352 I've been pondering Ace's musing on Rubio now running for The Donald's Vice Puppy and it certainly makes sense.

The Senator from Disneyworld will continue to run taking votes from Ted Cruz until Trump is guaranteed the nomination.

Since I live in Oregon it doesn't matter who I support, Portland will elect a Democrat so I can freely stamp my feet and insist I won't vote for Mr. Parking Lot Eminent Domain.

Posted by: whatmeworry? at February 25, 2016 03:05 PM (dZGNV)

353 312 Trump will probably pick someone like The Rock or Whoopi Goldberg for his VP. The guy is off the wall.

Two things though: the VP pick almost never actually changes voting, and the VP almost never makes it to the presidency.

There have been 47 different vice presidents of the USA so far. Of them, 14 became sitting presidents. Of those, 8 were due to the president dying in office. An additional 1 became president as the result of a resignation.

Only 4 went directly to become president after being VP.

Its just not a fast track to the big seat. Its a pretty meaningless job.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 25, 2016 02:57 PM (39g3+)

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That's why I think Sessions will be picked. Trump needs someone with a lot of experience he can trust to navigate Congress. He will pick for that reason not lesser strategery reasons.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 25, 2016 03:05 PM (LXJ1e)

354 You are all probably right. Cruz stole 25k votes from Carson. After all Carson has been so close in all the other races. Seems plausible that if only.. if only...sigh...

Posted by: gapoz at February 25, 2016 03:05 PM (thyJJ)

355 Doesn't wash. I don't believe in giving medical aid or soccer balls or teddy bears to intentional invaders of my country.

Posted by: Soona at February 25, 2016 03:01 PM (Fmupd)

Good for you... I on the other hand can ascertain the difference between giving trespassers medical aid and giving them tacit approval to stay by giving them leisure materials.

Either way it is a curious scruple to favor Trump for when he has been sued by the illegals in his employ for non-payment of wages

Posted by: redbanzai at February 25, 2016 03:06 PM (OrI3J)

356 I think the VP plays a valuable role, for example, Joe Biden has been dispatched to provide the introduction of Lady Gaga at the Oscars, where she will perform some sexual violence presentation.
That's a big, f'ing deal right there!

Posted by: Lizzy at February 25, 2016 03:06 PM (NOIQH)

357 >>>>>>>>>>>>There's being able to bend the rules of political gravity and then there's the impossible. Trump has to build a wall if he's elected president. It was the cornerstone of his announcement speech for god's sake, and he's never wavered on it, you might not think much of his credibility but 40% of Republicans apparently do, and that is GONE if he doesn't do it. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me that you'd dismiss it like that, as a given.

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I just disagree. I've watched John McCain walk down the border and look at the parts of the Wall completed and stand there and give a fucking interview about how, once reelected to the Senate, he was going to make sure that thing got finished. Woo buddy, he was soooooooooo ready to get that bill to finish the wall passed through the Senate.

And here we are today.

Marco Rubio went on television in 2010 and let everyone in the world know that not only was he not for amnesty, he also knew the code words and that "comprehensive immigration reform" was another way of saying amnesty, and dammit, he wasn't gonna stand for it!

And here we are today.

When Donald wasn't trying to convince people to vote for him, he told us how he felt about deportation. Mean-spirited, unfair. Throwing people out that have been here for a long time just isn't human. Etc. Sorry. I believe what he said when he wasn't angling for votes.

Posted by: Rich at February 25, 2016 03:06 PM (MIdlN)

358 Said way up above but one thing rarely mentioned is that Rubio is hardly seasoned or experienced in a way that not long ago used to be sort of expected even for a VP mention.

To be fair, neither is Cruz.

Cruz is incredibly intelligent and substantive, and actually brings something to the game in that way. But until recently (JFK excluded), his age/experience would almost rule him out as presidential material.

Rubio is not stupid but pretty unimpressive. Pretty much a standard-issue climbing political type, not particularly sleazy, not substantively solid. More a platitude machine than someone with solid policy instincts.

Though his intelligence is in fact called into question by the amnesty thing, and I don't just mean (hiliarious, spectacular) poor political judgment. Amnesty or anything other than restoring rule of law and sovereignty in immigration are in fact incredibly stupid, unsustainable, obviously self-destructing "policies".

Of course both Cruz and Rubio loom like Churchillian figures alongside Obama, but at some point faint praise, or a low bar, become so extreme that they cease to be useful metrics.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 25, 2016 03:06 PM (QDnY+)

359 For the VPOTUS list...

Who do we know that can beat both Hillary Clinton *and* Candy Crowley in a debate?

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks, proudly wearing the at February 25, 2016 03:07 PM (PFy0L)

360 VP selection:

Allen West (R) TX (by way of FL)

Bank on it. He checks a lot of boxes.

Posted by: aerofanatic at February 25, 2016 03:07 PM (qlbJG)

361 If you take out the deaths and resignations, that number becomes 5/47. And you can discount another because he (Nixon) had to wait a decade before getting the job, suggesting his VP seat was no help at all.

So, not real great odds.
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But there is no reason to take those out when the people we are electing are a couple years from the end of current life expectancy and/or told all the Muslims in the world to go eff themselves until they can figure out how to stop chopping off heads.

Posted by: ajmojo at February 25, 2016 03:07 PM (1H9ox)

362
Trump is already going to be going centrist in the general election, so that's not a reason to pick a candidate either. My guess is he'll go for someone that makes LIV's go "wooo!!! F**k yeah!"
Posted by: Christopher Taylor

I honestly think if Trump loses, it will be because of some Republican voters not getting on board.

If Trump goes for another outsider,it will be a bridge too far for many.

Especially if some real shit hits the fan in the next few months, people want to see a team that doesn't look like it should be a TV show.

I would say I'm 100% sure you;re not going to see some "Oprah" type pick.

Posted by: Tivoli at February 25, 2016 03:07 PM (6ejxM)

363 The Donald/Bernie ticket!!!

You joke but it would not at all surprise me.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 25, 2016 03:07 PM (39g3+)

364 Trump is already going to be going centrist in the general election, so that's not a reason to pick a candidate either. My guess is he'll go for someone that makes LIV's go "wooo!!! F**k yeah!"
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 25, 2016 03:02 PM (39g3+)

Trump/Gosling 2016

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 25, 2016 03:08 PM (xuouz)

365 If you take out the deaths and resignations, that number becomes 5/47. And you can discount another because he (Nixon) had to wait a decade before getting the job, suggesting his VP seat was no help at all.

So, not real great odds.
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But there is no reason to take those out when the people we are electing are a couple years from the end of current life expectancy and/or told all the Muslims in the world to go eff themselves until they can figure out how to stop chopping off heads.
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Or are under federal investigation.

Posted by: ajmojo at February 25, 2016 03:08 PM (1H9ox)

366 No! No, Trump/Pratt!

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 25, 2016 03:08 PM (xuouz)

367 But look, you know all that about him. You know, just 3 and a half years ago, Donald had a completely opposite take on immigration and effectively undermined Romney's position in the middle of an election. You've chosen to believe he's changed his mind, and I'm choosing to believe he's just lying for votes.

Posted by: Rich at February 25, 2016 03:08 PM (MIdlN)

368 If you take out the deaths and resignations, that number becomes 5/47. ...

So, not real great odds.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor

Uh, why would you? Has death been repealed? Have politicians become immune to temptation or mistakes?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 25, 2016 03:08 PM (62Vup)

369 345
Florida Cuban Republican would likely deliver Florida.

My guess is Rubio is at the top of Trump's list.

Even if you only want to say it helps Trump's Florida margin by 1-2%, that usually what the state comes down to.

You can't win without Florida and every election it is in play.

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Fine, have Rubio campaign for Trump and he can be Secretary of something. Rubio might find the executive experience necessary for another run.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 25, 2016 03:08 PM (LXJ1e)

370 Not one word on this whole thread about

David Duke's endorsement of Trump.

I don't care about Marco's or Ted's strategy at this point.

If you're criticizing not-Trump, you're enabling Trump.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 25, 2016 03:09 PM (Xd2w5)

371 Posted by: Redacted at February 25, 2016 03:00 PM (DBaSG)

That''s a quite nauseating thought.

I support Cruz but I don't want him to grind up against me if a safe way. I'm sure we could have some interesting discussions though.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 25, 2016 03:09 PM (w4NZ8)

372 "Stolen votes? And the proof of this is..... ?"

Well, that's the point isn't it? We will never now for sure so what you have is Cruz apologizing...lamely...so he takes responsibility that his supporters won't.

His supporters just want to blame the victim.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 25, 2016 03:09 PM (Ew7/Q)

373 Make America Great Again is lying.

Posted by: Geoffrey at February 25, 2016 03:09 PM (1RQsP)

374 Posted by: Rich at February 25, 2016 03:06 PM (MIdlN)

Rewriting history on Rubio re: amnesty and comparing Trump to John McCain.

Are we watching the same race

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 25, 2016 03:09 PM (xuouz)

375 L to R:

Trump, anyone who attacks Trump

http://is.gd/WTttp9

Pretty sure Rubio will play nice and hope for trabajo.

Posted by: MJ at February 25, 2016 03:09 PM (2gYQK)

376 That's why I think Sessions will be picked. Trump needs someone with a lot of experience he can trust to navigate Congress. He will pick for that reason not lesser strategery reasons.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 25, 2016 03:05 PM (LXJ1e)

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I'd still like to see the turtle, et al's faces when Cruz walks in as president of the senate.

Posted by: Soona at February 25, 2016 03:10 PM (Fmupd)

377 VP pick is obvious ...

...Vince McMahon.
Posted by: Irony at February 25, 2016 03:04 PM (BHaRb)

Shouldn't it be someone from the Reality TV set?

Like the winner for the newest Bachelor?
(if it's still on)

or, Top Chef competition?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 25, 2016 03:10 PM (qCMvj)

378 Though his intelligence is in fact called into question by the amnesty thing, and I don't just mean (hiliarious, spectacular) poor political judgment. Amnesty or anything other than restoring rule of law and sovereignty in immigration are in fact incredibly stupid, unsustainable, obviously self-destructing "policies".

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As an aside.....

I think most of the pro-Amnesty GOPe folks are either Chamber Of Commerce stoolies -or- foolishly listened to the advice of Rovians that counseled "you cant win without catering to illegal hispanics".

In either case.... they didnt listen to Middle America and cannot make up for it now.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 25, 2016 03:10 PM (8XRCm)

379 Hillary is running to serve the country and pardon herself, but mostly pardon herself.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at February 25, 2016 03:10 PM (VdICR)

380 Has attacking Trump ever actually worked though?

Posted by: DaveA at February 25, 2016 03:10 PM (DL2i+)

381 Do the frustrated middle aged men supporting Rubio want him too "grind up against them in a safe way?"

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 25, 2016 03:10 PM (w4NZ8)

382 One thing to remember about Trump is that he's actually a very cautious in business. His first deals were all with options, he didn't own the downside. And after his debt problems in the 80s he became much more careful, so that when the GFC arrived he had the cash to buy out lots of people who were selling at the bottom. Trump also likes to focus on things where he doesn't put up much cash but just uses his name, which is smart and low-risk. So I don't buy the idea that Trump is a cowboy. He talks like a cowboy but he's actually very careful. Rubio talks like a cowboy and probably really is a cowboy. Rubio is the one to be afraid of when it comes to foreign policy.

Posted by: bjk at February 25, 2016 03:10 PM (kx9sK)

383 381 Do the frustrated middle aged men supporting Rubio want him too "grind up against them in a safe way?"

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 25, 2016 03:10 PM (w4NZ

oh god yes

Posted by: Paolo at February 25, 2016 03:11 PM (u0s1P)

384 Good for you... I on the other hand can ascertain the difference between giving trespassers medical aid and giving them tacit approval to stay by giving them leisure materials.

Medical aid? For the damage they did to themselves breaching the border? I don't think so. They can be shipped right back over the border they jumped and get their aid from that country - you know, the one that helped them infiltrate our country.

The old signs never read "Trespassers will be given medical aid". Quite the opposite.

Either way it is a curious scruple to favor Trump for when he has been sued by the illegals in his employ for non-payment of wages

Posted by: redbanzai at February 25, 2016 03:06 PM (OrI3J)

Illegals should not have access to any of our courts, other than for deportations. They can file their suits from outside of the country, where they came from.

Read the Constitution again. It states its purpose very clearly in the preamble,

"secure the Blessings of Liberty TO OURSELVES AND OUR POSTERITY". Illegals are part of neither.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 25, 2016 03:11 PM (zc3Db)

385 Uh, why would you? Has death been repealed? Have politicians become immune to temptation or mistakes?

Because the last time a president died in office was over 50 years ago, and its only happened 8 times in our history. That's a few, but not something I'd bank on.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 25, 2016 03:11 PM (39g3+)

386 Per Wikipedia-
"Neoconservatism (commonly shortened to neocon) is a political movement born in the United States during the 1960s among Democrats who became disenchanted with the party's domestic and especially foreign policy. Many of its adherents became politically famous during the Republican presidential administrations of the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s and 2000s. Neoconservatives peaked in influence during the administrations of George W. Bush and George H.W. Bush, when they played a major role in promoting and planning the 2003 invasion of Iraq.[1] Prominent neoconservatives in the Bush administration included Paul Wolfowitz, John Bolton, Elliott Abrams, Richard Perle, Robert Kagan and Paul Bremer. Senior officials Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, while not identifying themselves as neoconservatives, listened closely to neoconservative advisers regarding foreign policy, especially the defense of Israel, the promotion of democracy in the Middle East, and the buildup of American military forces to achieve these goals. "
It doesn't mean Jew. Just trying to be helpful.

Posted by: Crazy Jane at February 25, 2016 03:12 PM (z/B/W)

387 My pick will be a hot chick with yuuuuge tits. Blonde, of course, although a redhead is acceptable.

Posted by: Trump at February 25, 2016 03:12 PM (39g3+)

388 My guess is he'll go for someone that makes LIV's go "wooo!!! F**k yeah!"

Slap chop Vince.

Posted by: eleven at February 25, 2016 03:12 PM (qUNWi)

389 Trump/Cotton 2016!

Posted by: Soona at February 25, 2016 03:12 PM (Fmupd)

390 Not one word on this whole thread about
David Duke's endorsement of Trump.
Posted by: AmishDude at February 25, 2016 03:09 PM (Xd2w5)

Nonstory. Trump didn't ask for it and he isn't publicizing it. What would you like him to do, repudiate it? Rend his garments and apologize for the fact that Duke endorsed him? Go on the View and beg for forgiveness, and ask for the best way for him to absolve himself of this terrible guilt that has been laid on him?

Seriously, this is a talking point straight out of the Clinton campaign.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 25, 2016 03:12 PM (xuouz)

391 Ooh ... Fen's gettin' a little "saucy" !!!

Posted by: Irony at February 25, 2016 03:13 PM (BHaRb)

392 Well, that's the point isn't it? We will never now for sure so what you have is Cruz apologizing...lamely...so he takes responsibility that his supporters won't.

His supporters just want to blame the victim.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 25, 2016 03:09 PM (Ew7/Q)

I love generalizations by the way. How many votes would Cruz have had to of skimmed for Carson to even get to third place in that race?

Posted by: gapoz at February 25, 2016 03:13 PM (thyJJ)

393 Will Mario say this? What will Cruz do? What outrageous shit will Donald Trump say?

Meanwhile the economy is melting down. Maybe you've heard about it if'n you're not too busy following the latest breathless bullshit from Gossip Girls: Election 2016.

I'd like to kick all these fucks in the crotch.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 25, 2016 03:13 PM (4ErVI)

394 Posted by: Crazy Jane at February 25, 2016 03:12 PM (z/B/W)

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How come trolls and newbies get all the cool hashes??

Posted by: fixerupper at February 25, 2016 03:13 PM (8XRCm)

395 Slap chop Vince.

It would have been the Sham Wow guy but he died on me, the ingrate.

Posted by: The Donald at February 25, 2016 03:14 PM (39g3+)

396 "You are all probably right. Cruz stole 25k votes from Carson. After all Carson has been so close in all the other races. Seems plausible that if only.. if only...sigh..."

So you condone stealing even one vote? It doesn't matter is Carson wasn't going to win. Cruz obviously thought he needed 4 votes per precinct to win.

Try again.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 25, 2016 03:14 PM (Ew7/Q)

397 Shit I'd vote for slap chop Vince straight up.

Posted by: eleven at February 25, 2016 03:14 PM (qUNWi)

398 Rubio is hitting Trump on Israel? What bubble does Rubio live in? Does he think there are any voters who care about Israel? Unbelievable.

Posted by: bjk at February 25, 2016 03:14 PM (kx9sK)

399 There is no way he chooses Rubio as VP. Just no way. Rubio is an establishment puppet. No more no less.

I've always wanted someone to pick John Bolton as VP.

Posted by: Adrienne at February 25, 2016 03:14 PM (lVcuh)

400 "Seriously, this is a talking point straight out of the Clinton campaign."

Spot On.

Posted by: Skeezix at February 25, 2016 03:14 PM (WnCSK)

401 In my opinion, the demographics and culture have already shifted sufficiently that unless Repubs can overcome at least 2 of the Democrats 3 big advantages, a Republican cannot win a national Presidential election. Those advantages are (1) LIV's, (2) media bias, and (3) voter fraud. I don't any Repub candidate can overcome any of these three, except Trump (who I dislike). Trump can overcome LIV's because they will follow him as easily as they will follow a Dem blowhard. He can overcome media bias because the media has no idea how to handle him. He just calls them losers and moves on because he is a winner. He cannot overcome voter fraud, unless he becomes President and begins to prosecute it.

So as much as I don't like Trump, I don't see my guy (Cruz) being able to beat Hillary. Because LIV's and because voter fraud. Cruz can overcome media bias.

Posted by: Sambo at February 25, 2016 03:14 PM (CwNIZ)

402 How many votes would Cruz have had to of skimmed for Carson to even get to third place in that race?

Well, yeah. It was a dirty trick but I doubt it made even the slightest difference in the race.

Posted by: The Donald at February 25, 2016 03:14 PM (39g3+)

403 Trump/Palin, because reality show presidential candidate is going to have a reality show Veep.

Posted by: Country Singer at February 25, 2016 03:15 PM (8Y7+f)

404 Trump should make one of his smart ass responses and decline David Duke's endorsement with as much hyperbole as possible to where it makes news. This would counteract some of the allegations of racism. Something along the lines of Duke preference for sheep.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 25, 2016 03:15 PM (dwNYN)

405 Nonstory. Trump didn't ask for it and he isn't publicizing it. What would you like him to do, repudiate it? Rend his garments and apologize for the fact that Duke endorsed him? Go on the View and beg for forgiveness, and ask for the best way for him to absolve himself of this terrible guilt that has been laid on him?

Seriously, this is a talking point straight out of the Clinton campaign.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR

+1

What a dumb non-story, no different than when the media pumped David Duke up for running as a Republican for Governor with the whole "I guess ALL Republicans are closet KKK supporters!!!"

Posted by: Tivoli at February 25, 2016 03:15 PM (6ejxM)

406 I've always wanted someone to pick John Bolton as VP.
Posted by: Adrienne at February 25, 2016 03:14 PM (lVcuh)

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Waste of talent.

Ambassador to the UN.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 25, 2016 03:15 PM (8XRCm)

407 I've thought for a while that Trump wants Rubio as VP. To my mind, that makes trump GOP.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 25, 2016 03:15 PM (j8Jx5)

408 What are the thoughts on Kasich? I thought he was gunning for VP?

Posted by: Skeezix at February 25, 2016 03:15 PM (WnCSK)

409 Well, that's the point isn't it? We will never now for sure so what you
have is Cruz apologizing...lamely...so he takes responsibility that his
supporters won't.

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Surely those that were involved enough to caucus and be so supportive of Carson enough to vote for him...only to be thwarted by the eeeevil, lying Cruz people...would've come forward later and said yeah, I was going to vote for him but I was told he dropped out. Where are they?

Posted by: Lady in Black...Death to the Man Bun! at February 25, 2016 03:15 PM (pVkEV)

410 "Rubio would likely deliver Florida which is halfway to becoming President."

Not even a remote possibility. Rubio cannot even deliver enough votes to himself to retain his Senate seat (which is why he is not running for re-election).

Posted by: redbanzai at February 25, 2016 03:15 PM (OrI3J)

411 My pick will be a hot chick with yuuuuge tits. Blonde, of course, although a redhead is acceptable.
Posted by: Trump at February 25, 2016 03:12 PM (39g3+)

I can't think of a woman who would help him.

Otherwise, I think he would go for it.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 25, 2016 03:15 PM (qCMvj)

412 "I love generalizations by the way. How many votes would Cruz have had to of skimmed for Carson to even get to third place in that race?"

Stealing one vote is still stealing.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 25, 2016 03:16 PM (Ew7/Q)

413 367 But look, you know all that about him. You know, just 3 and a half years ago, Donald had a completely opposite take on immigration and effectively undermined Romney's position in the middle of an election. You've chosen to believe he's changed his mind, and I'm choosing to believe he's just lying for votes.
Posted by: Rich at February 25, 2016 03:08 PM (MIdlN)

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What he said was't in the middle of the election. That was a post-mortem after the election.

And all Trump said was that Romney's self deportation talk hurt him with the Hispanics, which it did.

You notice Trump never brings up self-deportation. I'm not sure what's in his head that he thinks building a wall won't hurt him with Hispanics but saying self-deport will, but there it is.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 25, 2016 03:16 PM (LXJ1e)

414 By the way, I got one of those Slap Chop jobs for my birthday a few years back and they work really well. You feel kind of retarded but they do the job.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 25, 2016 03:16 PM (39g3+)

415 403 Trump/Palin, because reality show presidential candidate is going to have a reality show Veep.
Posted by: Country Singer at February 25, 2016 03:15 PM (8Y7+f)

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I could live with that and vote for it too.

Posted by: Soona at February 25, 2016 03:16 PM (Fmupd)

416 411 My pick will be a hot chick with yuuuuge tits. Blonde, of course, although a redhead is acceptable.
Posted by: Trump at February 25, 2016 03:12 PM (39g3+)

I can't think of a woman who would help him.

Otherwise, I think he would go for it.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 25, 2016 03:15 PM (qCMvj)

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Leann Tweeden

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 25, 2016 03:17 PM (LXJ1e)

417 I've always wanted someone to pick John Bolton as VP.

Posted by: Adrienne at February 25, 2016 03:14 PM (lVcuh)

Hear, hear! I would love Trump to pick Bolton. That would be awesome.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 25, 2016 03:17 PM (zc3Db)

418 Allah accusing others of bro-hugging is rich.

Posted by: Geoffrey at February 25, 2016 03:17 PM (1RQsP)

419 or, Top Chef competition?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 25, 2016 03:10 PM (qCMvj)

Emeril!

Terrorists? BAM!

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present moment) at February 25, 2016 03:17 PM (u0lmX)

420 Allen West

I don't care what position just put this man in charge of something.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 25, 2016 03:17 PM (xuouz)

421 Uh, why would you? Has death been repealed? Have politicians become immune to temptation or mistakes?

Because the last time a president died in office was over 50 years ago, and its only happened 8 times in our history. That's a few, but not something I'd bank on.
...
8 in and of itself is a small number. 8 out of 35 is statistically significant. And that is still ignoring resignations/impeachments.

Posted by: ajmojo at February 25, 2016 03:18 PM (1H9ox)

422 Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 25, 2016 03:14 PM (Ew7/Q)

You can't even come up with one caucus member who alleges they changed their vote because they heard Carson was going to drop out. But you keep fucking that dead chicken. Trump supporters are just like Trump.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 25, 2016 03:18 PM (dwNYN)

423 "only to be thwarted by the eeeevil, lying Cruz people...would've come forward later and said yeah, I was going to vote for him but I was told he dropped out. Where are they?"

Your rationalizations for sleazy cheating is remarkable.

So if I try to steal your television set but don't succeed, I didn't try to steal your television set?

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 25, 2016 03:18 PM (Ew7/Q)

424 "With a guarantee that Cruz gets on SCOTUS."

How can such a thing be guaranteed, when the nomination has to go through a Senate full of RINO "colleagues" who despise Cruz and have a long history of describing him in the harshest terms? Hard to walk back that far.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 25, 2016 03:18 PM (noWW6)

425 So you condone stealing even one vote? It doesn't matter is Carson wasn't going to win. Cruz obviously thought he needed 4 votes per precinct to win.

Try again.

Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence

You can't steal votes in a caucus. This is junior high style whining.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 25, 2016 03:18 PM (62Vup)

426 I don't care what position just put this man in charge of something.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 25, 2016 03:17 PM (xuouz)

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Sec Def. Root out betas and social experiment enablers.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 25, 2016 03:18 PM (8XRCm)

427
Trump/Palin 2016

Oh OH OH! Yes! YES!

Posted by: Sally Albright at February 25, 2016 03:18 PM (1DsXs)

428 Trump didn't ask for it and he isn't publicizing it. What would you like him to do, repudiate it? Rend his garments and apologize for the fact that Duke endorsed him? Go on the View and beg for forgiveness, and ask for the best way for him to absolve himself of this terrible guilt that has been laid on him?

Yes.

Yes. You say that you don't want him or his supporters. You say you won't be in a coalition with Nazis. That's what you do to such odious ideas and such odious people.

You reject, reject, reject.

Unless you realize that neo-Naziism is now part of your governing strategy.

Or that you are a neo-Nazi yourself.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 25, 2016 03:18 PM (Xd2w5)

429 Emeril!

Terrorists? BAM!
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present moment) at February 25, 2016 03:17 PM (u0lmX)

ha! I could go for that.
Spicy!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 25, 2016 03:19 PM (qCMvj)

430 Please STFU Misfortune & Ignorance.

Posted by: Geoffrey at February 25, 2016 03:19 PM (1RQsP)

431 >>>
Rob-io isn't programmed to attack Trump.<<<

They're doing alpha testing with the Willardbot 3.1 noodleware upgrade.

Posted by: Fritz at February 25, 2016 03:19 PM (UzPAd)

432 Donald Trump is going to pick a beautiful woman with a bodacious rack for VP......FFS people, don't you know anything about politics?????

Posted by: Mr.KnowItAll at February 25, 2016 03:19 PM (egzLR)

433 Well, that's the point isn't it? We will never now for sure so what you have is Cruz apologizing...lamely...so he takes responsibility that his supporters won't.

His supporters just want to blame the victim.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence

And then there's Cruz photoshopping Rubio with Obama, then airing altered video of Rubio "mocking" Christianity, having to throw their Communications Director overboard.

They've really run a nasty campaign and only 3rd place to show for it.

Posted by: Tivoli at February 25, 2016 03:19 PM (6ejxM)

434 Stealing one vote is still stealing.

Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at February 25, 2016 03:16 PM (Ew7/Q)

You, sir, are full of shit. Passing on a news report IS NOT "dirty tricks" and it is not stealing.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 25, 2016 03:19 PM (OrI3J)

435 Allen West

I don't care what position just put this man in charge of something.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 25, 2016 03:17 PM (xuouz)

I agree.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 25, 2016 03:19 PM (qCMvj)

436 This is junior high style whining.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 25, 2016 03:18 PM (62Vup)

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Hey ..... Its MIDDLE SHCOOLERS now.

And we find that insulting. We whine WAAAAY better than that.

Posted by: Middle Schoolers Everywhere at February 25, 2016 03:19 PM (8XRCm)

437 It'll mean the party rulers have told Cruz to stay in (along with Rubio) to keep Trump from winning 8 states outright.Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 25, 2016 02:40 PM (LXJ1e)

Yes, because Ted Cruz is, as we all know, a mindless, robotic pawn ofthe GOP Establishment, moving this way and that at their whim.

Conspiracy much?

Posted by: troyriser at February 25, 2016 03:20 PM (Hz/9Y)

438 By the way, I got one of those Slap Chop jobs for my birthday a few years back and they work really well. You feel kind of retarded but they do the job.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 25, 2016 03:16 PM (39g3+)

This is in many ways the story of Donald Trump.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 25, 2016 03:20 PM (xuouz)

439 "I can't think of a woman who would help him."

Martinez in NM.

She's a squish on conservative issues, but so is he.

One problem: she likes to drink. Had the cops called to a celebratory party just a little while back. Trump is a teetotaller and frowns on that stuff.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 25, 2016 03:20 PM (noWW6)

440

I just early voted for Ted Cruz and it felt awesome. I have had the privilege of voting for him 3 times now.

The only votes I have ever felt good about later

Posted by: ThunderB at February 25, 2016 03:20 PM (JlYn0)

441 "Allen West

I don't care what position just put this man in charge of something."

Agreed. We miss him in Florida.

Posted by: Skeezix at February 25, 2016 03:20 PM (WnCSK)

442 420 Allen West

I don't care what position just put this man in charge of something.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 25, 2016 03:17 PM (xuouz)

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DefSec for the win.

Posted by: Soona at February 25, 2016 03:20 PM (Fmupd)

443 8 in and of itself is a small number. 8 out of 35 is statistically significant. And that is still ignoring resignations/impeachments.

Well there's only been one, but as someone else brought up, the chances of the president being killed seem to be rising lately. I'm amazed there hasn't been another attempt. For all the "he's a closet secret cryto-Muslim" nonsense, President Obama is despised by the radical Islam guys.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 25, 2016 03:20 PM (39g3+)

444 Posted by: AmishDude at February 25, 2016 03:18 PM (Xd2w5)

You ignore it because no one cares.

Get a grip, man.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 25, 2016 03:20 PM (zc3Db)

445 Cruz can't give soccer balls and teddy bears to children, but Trump can invite Hillary, his good friend who is great by the way, to his wedding.. and what Cruz did is beyond the pale.

Guess it's all in how you look at it.

Posted by: gapoz at February 25, 2016 03:20 PM (thyJJ)

446

meh, it's on CNN
the debate

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 25, 2016 03:20 PM (qCMvj)

447 Hey, has everybody seen that Melissa Click's been FIRED???

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 25, 2016 03:21 PM (oVJmc)

448 Early voting in TX ends tomorrow.

Something like half or more of all votes have already been cast.
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Half of what? registered republicans? 2012 turnout? Census adults?

Posted by: BunkerInTheBurbs at February 25, 2016 03:21 PM (kXzR8)

449 "You can't even come up with one caucus member who alleges they changed their vote because they heard Carson was going to drop out."

I don't have to come up with one caucus member. We will never know how the dynamics were changed because of it.

Keep blaming the victim for your candidate's - Mr. Evangelical - theft or attempted theft.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 25, 2016 03:21 PM (Ew7/Q)

450 You know that our country has entered a state of advanced fuckery when you realize that the right thing to do re: David Duke's endorsement will wind up being exactly what Trump does in response.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 25, 2016 03:21 PM (xuouz)

451 My Slap Chop broke after a few months. But the Sham Wows are still in service after 10 years. I'm conflicted.

Posted by: CozMark at February 25, 2016 03:21 PM (CbGSW)

452 And then there's Cruz photoshopping Rubio with Obama, then airing altered video of Rubio "mocking" Christianity, having to throw their Communications Director overboard.

Yeah I saw him personally do it! His hand was on the mouse the whole time! And Rubio? Trump? never have done anything low or dirty! They're clean as a newborn lamb in fresh fallen snow!

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 25, 2016 03:22 PM (39g3+)

453 Hey, has everybody seen that Melissa Click's been FIRED???
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 25, 2016 03:21 PM (oVJmc)

Good, fuck her.

Or DON'T!

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh burn

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 25, 2016 03:22 PM (xuouz)

454 Martinez in NM.

She's a squish on conservative issues, but so is he.

One problem: she likes to drink. Had the cops called to a celebratory party just a little while back. Trump is a teetotaller and frowns on that stuff.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 25, 2016 03:20 PM (noWW6)

I forgot about her.
Good call.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 25, 2016 03:22 PM (qCMvj)

455 Just heard the audio of the woman asking Hillary! why she called blacks super predators, and the pro-Hillary room desperately trying to shut her down.

Schadenfreudelicious! Made my day. Moar please.

Posted by: LizLem at February 25, 2016 03:22 PM (hvf9s)

456 You ignore it because no one cares.

No one cares because being a Trump supporter and a Nazi are just basically assumed to be related?

I didn't think most Trump supporters were that bad.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 25, 2016 03:22 PM (Xd2w5)

457
Blah, blah, blah, Trump,, blah-blah, blah Cruz, blah, blah, blah, Rubio.....

Whatever.... I've soooooo got this entire thing. It's my destiny!!!!

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at February 25, 2016 03:22 PM (HSmrB)

458 I will not vote for Trump/Rubio.

Any Trump/not a RINO is okay with me.

Posted by: eman at February 25, 2016 03:23 PM (mR7Es)

459 if rubio is a cowboy, then he's pure drugstore.

Posted by: concrete girl at February 25, 2016 03:23 PM (0KgAM)

460 No one cares because being a Trump supporter and a Nazi are just basically assumed to be related?

I didn't think most Trump supporters were that bad.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 25, 2016 03:22 PM (Xd2w5)

Wow. Just ... wow.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 25, 2016 03:23 PM (zc3Db)

461 You know that our country has entered a state of advanced fuckery when you realize that the right thing to do re: David Duke's endorsement will wind up being exactly what Trump does in response.

Of course. Because everything Trump does is right and everything he chooses not to do is wrong.

#NotACult

Posted by: AmishDude at February 25, 2016 03:23 PM (Xd2w5)

462 My Slap Chop broke after a few months

That's because its a slapp chop, not a "pound on it like HIllary's face" chop.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 25, 2016 03:23 PM (39g3+)

463 402 How many votes would Cruz have had to of skimmed for Carson to even get to third place in that race?

Well, yeah. It was a dirty trick but I doubt it made even the slightest difference in the race.
Posted by: The Donald at February 25, 2016 03:14 PM (39g3+)

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The point isn't Carson getting third place, it is Trump getting first place.

Cruz beat Trump by 6,239 votes. There are 1500 precincts. That means Cruz only needed to flip about 4 votes per precinct to make a difference.

Not saying that it necessarily happened, but there is the possibility.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 25, 2016 03:23 PM (LXJ1e)

464 >>> Hey, has everybody seen that Melissa Click's been FIRED??? Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 25, 2016 03:21 PM (oVJmc)

Good. I assume she will be going on disability unemployment for batcrap crazy mental illness?

Posted by: LizLem at February 25, 2016 03:23 PM (hvf9s)

465 I don't have to come up with one caucus member. We will never know how the dynamics were changed because of it.

This sounds an awful lot like "the lack of proof is proof enough that there was skullduggery."

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks, proudly wearing the at February 25, 2016 03:24 PM (eytER)

466 Seriously, this is a talking point straight out of the Clinton campaign.

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Or the beginnings of the Mississippi '14 gang getting warmed up.

Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at February 25, 2016 03:24 PM (3ZtZW)

467 "You, sir, are full of shit. Passing on a news report IS NOT "dirty tricks" and it is not stealing."

Telling voters Carson dropped out is not passing on news reports.

Keep blaming the victim...it's such a winning move.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 25, 2016 03:25 PM (Ew7/Q)

468 The Donald/Bernie ticket!!!

You joke but it would not at all surprise me.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 25, 2016 03:07 PM (39g3+)

__________

This morning I woke up and dreamt of Donald/Kanye West. East Coast/West Coast total saturation publicity.

Posted by: mustbequantum at February 25, 2016 03:25 PM (MIKMs)

469 OK I am confused; I thought people referring to "Dondi" were talking about Trump. Donald Trump...see Donald ...Dondi?
But it looks like your talking Marco Rubio. Why? When did this happen? I know I missed something, I lurk in durring the day..hoping to see a flaming skull that Hildabeast had a stroke. Someone please explain?

Posted by: Paladin (Moderately Nefarious) at February 25, 2016 03:25 PM (WujO7)

470 Stop lying you focking idiot..........I've had it up to here with your lies Trumpbot.

Posted by: Geoffrey at February 25, 2016 03:26 PM (1RQsP)

471 This morning I woke up and dreamt of Donald/Kanye West. East Coast/West Coast total saturation publicity.

Yeah, but then they'd get into a gunfight at a club after it closes and ruin the whole thing.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 25, 2016 03:26 PM (39g3+)

472 if rubio is a cowboy, then he's pure drugstore.

Posted by: concrete girl at February 25, 2016 03:23 PM (0KgAM)

That was a great movie. And now that you mention it I do remember Rubio in it ... David, the TV baby from across the street.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 25, 2016 03:26 PM (zc3Db)

473 It should be pointed out that during the time Cruz was bro-hugging Trump he was also rising in the polls.

Posted by: Flaccid Member at February 25, 2016 03:26 PM (5fSr7)

474 Wow. Just ... wow.

Not even a token renunciation of Duke.

Trumpers are now in bed with David Duke and just pretend he isn't there.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 25, 2016 03:27 PM (Xd2w5)

475

You guys DO know that Iowa was like 4 primaries ago.

You guys DO know that Super Tuesday is just around the corner.

You guys DO know that after that the players you are so passionately arguing about what happened in Iowa are going to mathematically eliminated??

Posted by: fixerupper at February 25, 2016 03:27 PM (8XRCm)

476 437 It'll mean the party rulers have told Cruz to stay in (along with Rubio) to keep Trump from winning 8 states outright.Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 25, 2016 02:40 PM (LXJ1e)

Yes, because Ted Cruz is, as we all know, a mindless, robotic pawn ofthe GOP Establishment, moving this way and that at their whim.

Conspiracy much?
Posted by: troyriser at February 25, 2016 03:20 PM (Hz/9Y)

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Can you see any other reason why Cruz would stay in if there is not a path to the nomination for him?

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 25, 2016 03:27 PM (LXJ1e)

477 I don't know the origins, but Dondi is a reference to Rubio. Possibly his appearance and ethnicity and the old comic Dondi.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dondi

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 25, 2016 03:27 PM (39g3+)

478 I hate to say this ladies and gents but when they are saying that either The Rube or The Canadian ought to drop out they really mean The Canadian.

Posted by: Drider at February 25, 2016 03:27 PM (6Xbsz)

479 343 Rob-io isn't programmed to attack Trump.
Posted by: Jon in TX at February 25, 2016 03:02 PM (3kKr

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that's the Mark-zero Robotio FYI

Posted by: SKYNET at February 25, 2016 03:28 PM (PNcou)

480 Someone needs a time-out.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 25, 2016 03:28 PM (oVJmc)

481 "having to throw their Communications Director overboard"

Guy shouldn't have been on board in the first place. Loose cannon. Lousy ideas. Former Todd Akin hand, I have been told. Wow, them's credentials!

Posted by: torquewrench at February 25, 2016 03:28 PM (noWW6)

482 So

Melissa Click got martyred by the White Patriarchy. This is a resume enhancement. She will be well rewarded for her holy Jihad success. Some foundation or non profit will be proud to have her on their staff. They will brag about her accomplishments among themselves.

Posted by: Konani the Large at February 25, 2016 03:29 PM (1DsXs)

483 Is Rubio, in whom so many have trusted so many hopes, actually attempting to get Trump elected, in order to be his VP and be guaranteed to be the nominee in 2020 or 2024?

Oh. Good. I was afraid for a second there we'd have to wait until 12:01 a.m. on November 9, 2016 to start shrieking at each other about 2024.

Yaaaaaaaay.

*looks for oven in which to put head*

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 25, 2016 03:29 PM (mf5HN)

484 Not even a token renunciation of Duke.

Trumpers are now in bed with David Duke and just pretend he isn't there.

Posted by: AmishDude

Maybe he doesn't even want his name in the same sentence as David Duke? Why put a spotlight on it?

There's plenty of ammo against Trump that you don't need to try and paint him as a closet Klansman.

Posted by: Tivoli at February 25, 2016 03:29 PM (6ejxM)

485 OK I am confused; I thought people referring to "Dondi" were talking about Trump. Donald Trump...see Donald ...Dondi?
But it looks like your talking Marco Rubio. Why? When did this happen?
Posted by: Paladin (Moderately Nefarious) at February 25, 2016 03:25 PM (WujO7)

Someone noticed the eerie resemblance between the old comic strip character Dondi and Rubio. Happened quite awhile back.

Posted by: Country Singer at February 25, 2016 03:29 PM (8Y7+f)

486 Trump is not going to pick Rubio or Cruz.

Both are ineligible and he doesn't need the headache.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 25, 2016 03:30 PM (Ew7/Q)

487
>>>>>>>>>>I think he wants to win and
knows there is significant opposition from within the GOP that could be
salvaged with a pick like that.

No way Cruz will be the VP, simply too much vitriol and he doesn't bring many new votes.

Rubio would likely deliver Florida which is halfway to becoming President.

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Think the idea of picking a VP to deliver a specific state needs to die in a fire.
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Remember how Ryan delivered WI to President Romney?

Wait. No. That didn't happen.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 25, 2016 03:30 PM (fQ/0p)

488 Trumpers are now in bed with David Duke and just pretend he isn't there.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 25, 2016 03:27 PM (Xd2w5)

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Hey .... some lefty using the "hey theyre all rednecked racists" schtick has hacked AmishDudes account.

Somebody oughttta email him.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 25, 2016 03:30 PM (8XRCm)

489 And then there's Cruz photoshopping Rubio with
Obama, then airing altered video of Rubio "mocking" Christianity, having
to throw their Communications Director overboard.

They've really run a nasty campaign and only 3rd place to show for it.

Posted by: Tivoli at February 25, 2016 03:19 PM (6ejxM)

Their is literally nothing true in that entire post.

The "photoshopping" was neither a photo nor out of bounds. It was a drawing of a Rubio shaking hands with an outsided Obama in front of a drawing of the Capital dome that makes them both look like giants. It was on website that discussed Rubio's total capitulation on trade deals.
Rick Taylor (NOT Cruz) did not alter any video but did pass on a story that misrepresented what Rubio said and he got fired for it. Because that is what a man with actual integrity does when someone misrepresents the truth in his name. Unlike either Trump or Rubio who feel free to lie with impunity.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 25, 2016 03:30 PM (OrI3J)

490 Can you see any other reason why Cruz would stay in if there is not a path to the nomination for him?

Because crazy stuff happens, and its worth sticking it out a bit longer just to see. He's still got a lead on Rubio at this point and if Trump flame out or something awful happens to him (note: this is not wishing harm to Donald Trump), he's the front runner which not only gives him credibility and votes, but there's a good chance he gets most if not all Trump's supporters.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 25, 2016 03:30 PM (39g3+)

491 Trump shouldn't even address Duke's endorsement. Streisand Effect

Posted by: CozMark at February 25, 2016 03:30 PM (CbGSW)

492
Oh. Good. I was afraid for a second there we'd have to wait until 12:01 a.m. on November 9, 2016 to start shrieking at each other about 2024.

I start my Finger-Pointing for 2036 in April.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 25, 2016 03:31 PM (oVJmc)

493 Sanders/Click 2016!
Check Your White Privilege

Posted by: Freegan Jones at February 25, 2016 03:31 PM (Y8P5w)

494 Can you see any other reason why Cruz would stay in if there is not a path to the nomination for him?

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 25, 2016 03:27 PM (LXJ1e)

Because it isn't over yet. Maybe Cruz has this crazy idea conservatives will back a conservative candidate.

Posted by: troyriser at February 25, 2016 03:31 PM (Hz/9Y)

495 Stealing one vote is still stealing.

Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at February 25, 2016 03:16 PM (Ew7/Q)

If you're not first, you're last.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby at February 25, 2016 03:31 PM (aRUb8)

496 She's a squish on conservative issues, but so is he.

One problem: she likes to drink. Had the cops called to a celebratory party just a little while back. Trump is a teetotaller and frowns on that stuff.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 25, 2016 03:20 PM (noWW6)

Hey, maybe Hillary should consider her for running mate!

"Dear American peons, *hic* I'm glad to say that I have reached across the aisle, and the bar stool , to Gov. Martinez and it's gonna be party time at the WH once again! Susanna, honey, be a dear and mix me one of those divine martinis, will you? Muchos gracias, sweetie!"

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present moment) at February 25, 2016 03:31 PM (u0lmX)

497 Make America Great Again: "Fine, have Rubio campaign for Trump and he can be Secretary of something."

He can be Secretary of Distilled Spirits with counsel from his father. There will probably be a lot of heavy drinking in the GOP.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 25, 2016 03:31 PM (1CroS)

498 Guy shouldn't have been on board in the first place. Loose cannon. Lousy ideas. Former Todd Akin hand, I have been told. Wow, them's credentials!

Posted by: torquewrench

Not a good sign that Cruz hired him. Probably the #2 most important job behind campaign manager.

Posted by: Tivoli at February 25, 2016 03:31 PM (6ejxM)

499 480 Someone needs a time-out.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 25, 2016 03:28 PM (oVJmc)

*wakes up*

Huh? Wha.....?

Posted by: Andy Reid at February 25, 2016 03:31 PM (Fmupd)

500 Yes Cruz and Rubio is ineligible because Misfortune & Asshattery says so.

Posted by: Geoffrey at February 25, 2016 03:32 PM (1RQsP)

501 Next person to try to yoink my good Senator gets it in the junk!

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at February 25, 2016 03:32 PM (9krrF)

502 Easy there Alex. Just have a nice seat here, prop up your feet, enjoy a lemon bar (I insist), and tell me all about releasing the raptors.

You'll feel better.

Posted by: Irony at February 25, 2016 03:33 PM (BHaRb)

503 Donald Trump / Scott Brown 2016

Short listed, baby!

Posted by: Todd Gnat, President, Scott Brown Nude Calendar 2017, LLC at February 25, 2016 03:33 PM (Y8P5w)

504 The fact that Click got hired in the first place speaks volumes about the current state of higher education in America. Its not like she kept her personality, attitude, and radicalism hidden.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 25, 2016 03:33 PM (39g3+)

505 I hate to say this ladies and gents but when they
are saying that either The Rube or The Canadian ought to drop out they
really mean The Canadian.

Posted by: Drider at February 25, 2016 03:27 PM (6Xbsz)

That is because "they" are the Establishment who hates Cruz. Fuck "them" sideways with a pineapple.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 25, 2016 03:33 PM (OrI3J)

506 THIS WEEKEND I GET MY SHOELACES BACK

It's just so you won't hurt yourself. kay?

Posted by: eleven at February 25, 2016 03:34 PM (qUNWi)

507 Honestly I think Jeff Sessions had it exactly correct in that we need a candidate that can pull people in from both parties. If we want to give an honest look at that statement we can only conclude that both Cruz and Rubio should drop.

Posted by: Drider at February 25, 2016 03:34 PM (6Xbsz)

508
Trump/Christine O Donnell 2016

"The Enshartering."

Posted by: fixerupper at February 25, 2016 03:34 PM (8XRCm)

509 So Trump accepts David Duke's endorsement? Is that what you're saying?

Posted by: Dem attack machine at February 25, 2016 03:34 PM (X8p7j)

510 Just have a nice seat here, prop up your feet

You're just trying to get a peek up her skirt. Move over.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 25, 2016 03:34 PM (39g3+)

511 Yes Cruz and Rubio is ineligible because Misfortune Asshattery says so.

Posted by: Geoffrey at February 25, 2016 03:32 PM (1RQsP)

As I have told him numerous times, only in his head is that true.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 25, 2016 03:34 PM (OrI3J)

512 Yes Cruz and Rubio is ineligible because Misfortune & Asshattery says so.

Posted by: Geoffrey at February 25, 2016 03:32 PM (1RQsP)

They are both ineligible but it would be nice if this issue could finally make its way through the courts for an actual determination. It's really not much of a risk for the people who think that they're eligible since this joke of a SCOTASS would likely decide that they are ... but it still should be officially addressed, finally.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 25, 2016 03:35 PM (zc3Db)

513 Maybe he doesn't even want his name in the same sentence as David Duke? Why put a spotlight on it?

Because it's vicious and odious and you want to have nothing to do with it. Unless you do.

I think Trump and his fans are just ducky with the endorsement.

You say, "I don't represent your filthy point of view."

Unless he does. I think he does.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 25, 2016 03:35 PM (Xd2w5)

514 So Trump accepts David Duke's endorsement? Is that what you're saying?

If he says nothing, he has.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 25, 2016 03:35 PM (Xd2w5)

515 Meek Rubio of the Endless Platitudes is also suppose to be the military/security "expert" of the candidates. If he can't take on Trump how's he going to take on ISIS. I know that's weak but so is the description of him being the expert based on Senate sub-committees.

Posted by: Cindy Munford at February 25, 2016 03:35 PM (7Lm22)

516 465 I don't have to come up with one caucus member. We will never know how the dynamics were changed because of it.

This sounds an awful lot like "the lack of proof is proof enough that there was skullduggery."

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks, proudly wearing the at February 25, 2016 03:24 PM (eytER)

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Let's look at it from the other side. If it is obvious that saying Carson is suspending his campaign does not change Carson's support at all, then why would the Cruz campaign distribute that information? What were their expectations?

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 25, 2016 03:35 PM (LXJ1e)

517 I early voted for Cruz today so that if it comes down to what it looks like it is going to come down to I will be able to cast a vote for the lesser of two evils in November knowing I did what I could to keep it from getting to that point.

Posted by: obnoxious ahole at February 25, 2016 03:36 PM (GP+Mg)

518 >>Melissa Click got martyred by the White Patriarchy. This is a resume enhancement.

Would love to know who now wants to pay her $300K for her crap degrees and specialty. Can't imagine there's much need for that outside of academia.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 25, 2016 03:36 PM (NOIQH)

519 Remember how Ryan delivered WI to President Romney?

Wait. No. That didn't happen.
Posted by: RoyalOil

A little late to the party, that was brought up a while ago.

Because it doesn't work every time does not mean that a home state VP pick cannot help a ticket on the margins.

I could also point to JFK with Lyndon Johnson and Texas. It put him in the White House.

A congressman doesn't have statewide appeal, Ryan was a poor pick. Also, Wisconsin hasn't gone red on a Presidential level in something like 30 years. Florida is much more of a swing state.

A majority of Floridian voters have cast a ballot for Rubio, it's an easier sell. That's why incumbents tend to win, there's familiarity.

Posted by: Tivoli at February 25, 2016 03:36 PM (6ejxM)

520 There's, uh,

a nood

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 25, 2016 03:36 PM (xuouz)

521 Nood.

Posted by: HH at February 25, 2016 03:36 PM (DrCtv)

522 I think Trump and his fans are just ducky with the endorsement.

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Oh Fer Fuck Sakes.

Get over it already.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 25, 2016 03:36 PM (8XRCm)

523 Trump / Paris Hilton 2016
Make America Something Something

Posted by: There Will Be Porn In The Streets at February 25, 2016 03:36 PM (Y8P5w)

524 Trump/Cruz 2016

Write it down.

Posted by: Mortimer at February 25, 2016 03:36 PM (YiwSM)

525 Honestly I think Jeff Sessions had it exactly
correct in that we need a candidate that can pull people in from both
parties. If we want to give an honest look at that statement we can only
conclude that both Cruz and Rubio should drop.

Posted by: Drider at February 25, 2016 03:34 PM (6Xbsz)

___________

Sessions has become a lion in the Senate and I don't think anyone wants to lose him there. BTW, he was very firm in his defense of Cruz and the efforts to get rid of the Gang of 8.

Posted by: mustbequantum at February 25, 2016 03:37 PM (MIKMs)

526 Because it's vicious and odious and you want to have nothing to do with it. Unless you do.

I think Trump and his fans are just ducky with the endorsement.

You say, "I don't represent your filthy point of view."

Unless he does. I think he does.
Posted by: AmishDude

Some people are not taking this loss well at all.

Posted by: Tivoli at February 25, 2016 03:37 PM (6ejxM)

527 I would already be holding my nose voting for Trump but I don't have enough fingers to pinch off the overwhelming stench of a Trump/Rubio ticket.

That would smell like burning RINO feces. Uggggggh!

Cruz would make a much better VP than Dondi.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at February 25, 2016 03:37 PM (cCxiu)

528 I'd like a Trump / Condi ticket

Posted by: @votermom at February 25, 2016 03:37 PM (5EV+l)

529 willow powers: activate!

Posted by: Mortimer at February 25, 2016 03:37 PM (YiwSM)

530 Cruz voted for TPA. In favor of.

A lot of his actions don't match his words. Its easy to miss.

Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at February 25, 2016 02:50 PM (3ZtZW)

No... his vote was actually split.
He voted for cloture.

Then his constituents gave him holy hell AND The Turtle pulled some parliamentary shit that he swore he wouldn't in order to get cloture.

Then he mia culpaed and voted against the bill when it was actually passed.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 25, 2016 03:38 PM (OrI3J)

531 Posted by: AmishDude at February 25, 2016 03:35 PM (Xd2w5)

Fake Amish guy, trolling the blog some more. Must be Thursday.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 25, 2016 03:38 PM (TOk1P)

532 Trump/Sessions ticket!

Posted by: Burn It Down at February 25, 2016 03:38 PM (qHgBB)

533 Ace,

Can the HQ offer scholarships to some people on political threads-who will remain nameless-for a course on Anger Management? ;^) A short video by a Rabbi on Prager University discusses Anger Management:

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 25, 2016 03:38 PM (w4NZ8)

534 508
Trump/Christine O Donnell 2016

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a magical ticket

Posted by: SKYNET at February 25, 2016 03:38 PM (PNcou)

535 I, for one, really dislike this Emmanuel Goldstein fellow.

Posted by: Konani the Large at February 25, 2016 03:39 PM (1DsXs)

536 Would love to know who now wants to pay her $300K for her crap degrees and specialty

Another university. Count on it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 25, 2016 03:39 PM (39g3+)

537 >>>515 Meek Rubio of the Endless Platitudes is also suppose to be the military/security "expert" of the candidates. If he can't take on Trump how's he going to take on ISIS. I know that's weak but so is the description of him being the expert based on Senate.

that's why i called him a drugstore cowboy.

Posted by: concrete girl at February 25, 2016 03:39 PM (0KgAM)

538 "Maybe he doesn't even want his name in the same sentence as David Duke? Why put a spotlight on it? "

I-I-I was fetchin wata down at da well when I-I-I seen men wit a rope a stragnin up some poor niggra boys a-a-and that Donald Trump feller w-w-was leadin the lynchin.

I-I-I saw dat Trump feller later d-d-diggin a hole twas wat I-I-I figered was for dem poor niggra boys b-b-but he put b-b--boxes of dem thar taxes in da h-h-hole instaid.

Posted by: Drider at February 25, 2016 03:39 PM (6Xbsz)

539 Easy there Alex. Just have a nice seat here, prop up your feet, enjoy a lemon bar (I insist), and tell me all about releasing the raptors.

You'll feel better.
Posted by: Irony at February 25, 2016 03:33 PM (BHaRb)

Thank you.

*noms sadly*

I think I'm just going to reflect on the wonders of nature.

You know. Like this.

http://bit.ly/1QgFkPr

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 25, 2016 03:39 PM (mf5HN)

540 The "photoshopping" was neither a photo nor out of bounds. It was a drawing of a Rubio shaking hands with an outsided Obama in front of a drawing of the Capital dome that makes them both look like giants. It was on website that discussed Rubio's total capitulation on trade deals.
Rick Taylor (NOT Cruz) did not alter any video but did pass on a story that misrepresented what Rubio said and he got fired for it. Because that is what a man with actual integrity does when someone misrepresents the truth in his name. Unlike either Trump or Rubio who feel free to lie with impunity.

Posted by: redbanzai

Keep spinning it helps you grieve.

Posted by: Tivoli at February 25, 2016 03:39 PM (6ejxM)

541 If I can't have Cruz 2016 I could take Trump/Perry 2016... Now that his legal BS is over.

Posted by: lindafell de spair at February 25, 2016 03:40 PM (czLDv)

542 533-Oops; here's the link:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/jf4k8xj

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 25, 2016 03:40 PM (w4NZ8)

543 Trump/Sessions ticket!

Posted by: Burn It Down

/swings nine-iron into BiD's junk

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at February 25, 2016 03:40 PM (9krrF)

544 No... his vote was actually split.
He voted for cloture.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 25, 2016 03:38 PM (OrI3J)

He didn't just vote for cloture. He had been shilling for it, big time, from the start. He was one of the biggest advocates for it, for some truly unknown and incomprehensible reason. Then ... at the very end he regained his senses. But what he did up until that point is still truly astounding (and not in any good way).

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 25, 2016 03:40 PM (zc3Db)

545 PrimordialOrderedPair,I like you but I disagree with you.

Posted by: Geoffrey at February 25, 2016 03:40 PM (1RQsP)

546 They are both ineligible but it would be nice if
this issue could finally make its way through the courts for an actual
determination. It's really not much of a risk for the people who think
that they're eligible since this joke of a SCOTASS would likely decide
that they are ... but it still should be officially addressed, finally.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 25, 2016 03:35 PM (zc3Db)

They are not ineligible.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 25, 2016 03:41 PM (OrI3J)

547 You'd think the Starfucker types would be more pleasant to talk to when their guy was on top.

I guess you'd be wrong.

Posted by: Jaws at February 25, 2016 03:41 PM (Jktp1)

548 He voted for cloture.

Then his constituents gave him holy hell AND The Turtle pulled some parliamentary shit that he swore he wouldn't in order to get cloture.

Then he mia culpaed and voted against the bill when it was actually passed.

Posted by: redbanzai

Wow, are you dizzy from all that spinning?

So it's the Kerry answer? He voted for it before he voted against it?

Posted by: Tivoli at February 25, 2016 03:41 PM (6ejxM)

549 Rubio's not angling for VP.

He simply needs to finish a respectable second and the not-so-hidden hands of the GOPe will do the rest at the convention.

Posted by: Mike Honcho at February 25, 2016 03:41 PM (BJjEt)

550 /swings nine-iron into BiD's junk
*************************

Or not. LOL

Posted by: Burn It Down at February 25, 2016 03:42 PM (qHgBB)

551 Rubio is hitting Trump on Israel? What bubble does
Rubio live in? Does he think there are any voters who care about Israel?
Unbelievable.

Posted by: bjk at February 25, 2016 03:14 PM (kx9sK)

Many, many voters care about Israel. As our only non-crazy ally in the region we should care. No Obama... he does not care. He is in fact actively hostile on the issue.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 25, 2016 03:42 PM (OrI3J)

552 That Rubit-O is out there! It can be bargained with. It can be reasoned with. It doesn't feel shame, or guilt, or humility! And it absolutely will not stop serving the GOPe, ever, until the nomination.

Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at February 25, 2016 03:42 PM (/D5Lf)

553 Trump picking Rubio is just Anti-Trumpian horseshit.

Trump said he would pick someone with political skills, so quite obviously that wouldn't be Rubio.

Posted by: Burn It Down at February 25, 2016 03:43 PM (qHgBB)

554 ThePrimordialOrderedPair: "Hear, hear! I would love Trump to pick Bolton. That would be awesome."

Without further reviewing of current positions given the ME chaos, I'm inclined to make Bolton my first, second, and third preference for that office. I've always been highly impressed with his grasp of events and his sound basics to defend America.

Presidential application? Denied. SoS? Affirmed with star clusters and fireworks.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 25, 2016 03:43 PM (1CroS)

555 " If I can't have Cruz 2016 I could take Trump/Perry 2016... Now that his legal BS is over. "

I do believe that would be out of the question being it was he and Mittens that was tag teaming Trump on the reiding. The GOPe sent them both out there with their rehearsed lines.

I will say though. At least Perry remembered them.

Posted by: Drider at February 25, 2016 03:43 PM (6Xbsz)

556 David Duke: I endorse Trump.

Trump: I reject your endorsement vehemently and with fierce umbrage.

David Duke: I like what you say and how you say it.

Trump: Stop that this instant you scoundrel.

David Duke: Nah. I agree with everything you say. You're my guy.

Trump: I'll see you in court sir.

David Duke: I'm a lawyer.

Posted by: CozMark at February 25, 2016 03:43 PM (CbGSW)

557
Wow, are you dizzy from all that spinning?

So it's the Kerry answer? He voted for it before he voted against it?

Posted by: Tivoli at February 25, 2016 03:41 PM (6ejxM)

Nope... my equilibrium is just fine thanks.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 25, 2016 03:43 PM (OrI3J)

558 PrimordialOrderedPair,I like you but I disagree with you.

Posted by: Geoffrey at February 25, 2016 03:40 PM (1RQsP)

That's okay. Some of the best people do

They are not ineligible.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 25, 2016 03:41 PM (OrI3J)

I understand and I disagree. But that is why it needs to go through the courts to actually be settled (so far as a legal matter).

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 25, 2016 03:43 PM (zc3Db)

559 nah, by 2024 the Dems will nominate Kanye West and the Repubs will run Ted Nugent.

Posted by: azjaeger at February 25, 2016 03:43 PM (oSpPi)

560 494 Can you see any other reason why Cruz would stay in if there is not a path to the nomination for him?

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 25, 2016 03:27 PM (LXJ1e)

Because it isn't over yet. Maybe Cruz has this crazy idea conservatives will back a conservative candidate.
Posted by: troyriser at February 25, 2016 03:31 PM (Hz/9Y)

--------------------

If he loses big March 1st. What would be the point?

If he's a solid third place candidate, his staying in will be for only two reasons, vanity or to keep Trump from winning 50%+1 in 8 states.

If Rubio is third, the same reasoning applies to him.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 25, 2016 03:44 PM (LXJ1e)

561 redbanzai at February 25, 2016 03:38 PM (OrI3J)

He didn't vote against because of blowback. As you point out he voted No because it wasn't the bill he voted for coming out of cloture. He made it clear he would have supported it without those changes as he believes in freeing up trade is still crucial. People can criticize him for that but they shouldnt question his motives for his vote change.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 25, 2016 03:44 PM (X8p7j)

562 "Trump/Cruz 2016 Write it down."

And then burn it.

See, when you want to be VP you need a little thing called leverage.

The multiple third place finisher who has to campaign in his home state (Texas) and cancel events in other Super Tuesday states (Alabama) in order to hang on to his Senate seat does not have any leverage.

Cruz finished already and won't be VP either.

Neither will Rubio. The guy who's built his campaign on build the wall isn't going to pick the Gang of 8 guy. Get real.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 25, 2016 03:45 PM (Ew7/Q)

563 "Sessions has become a lion in the Senate and I don't think anyone wants to lose him there. BTW, he was very firm in his defense of Cruz and the efforts to get rid of the Gang of 8."

Agreed, he has been an avid defender of Cruz on the Gang of 8.
My point is that he stated, correctly IMHO that you need to pull from both parties to win it. I honestly don't think Cruz or Rubio can do it. Just my opinion.

Posted by: Drider at February 25, 2016 03:45 PM (6Xbsz)

564 Yep, I see the resemblance between Rubio and a 2D paper cartoon character. Thanks for cluing me in.

Posted by: Paladin (Moderately Nefarious) at February 25, 2016 03:47 PM (WujO7)

565 Trump will win the minority votes, since he himself is a minority. Hear me out:

i) Cruz has come out against hispanic illegal immigration
ii) since he is against people of his own race, he is no longer a member of that race.
iii) therefore Cruz is white (by ii)
iv) Trump is white
v) Trump has attacked Cruz
vi) Therefore, because Trump has attacked someone of his own race, he is not white (by ii, iii, iv)
vii) Therefore Trump is a minority (by vi)

And since he is the only minority candidate running in either party, he will pick up the minority vote.

Posted by: angela urkel at February 25, 2016 03:47 PM (IDHFk)

566 He didn't just vote for cloture. He had been
shilling for it, big time, from the start. He was one of the biggest
advocates for it, for some truly unknown and incomprehensible reason.
Then ... at the very end he regained his senses. But what he did up
until that point is still truly astounding (and not in any good way).

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 25, 2016 03:40 PM (zc3Db)

That is a rewrite of history.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 25, 2016 03:47 PM (OrI3J)

567 by: Tivoli at February 25, 2016 03:41 PM (6ejxM)

You shouldn't advertise that you're a LIV

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 25, 2016 03:47 PM (X8p7j)

568 Don't worry Trump supporters. Your guy will like;y win the nomination. So if he isn't a threat why the constant attacks on Cruz?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 25, 2016 03:49 PM (w4NZ8)

569 427

Oh please NO!

Posted by: jazzuscounty at February 25, 2016 03:49 PM (AFsSv)

570 Posted by: angela urkel at February 25, 2016 03:47 PM (IDHFk)

Trump Geometry?

Posted by: CozMark at February 25, 2016 03:50 PM (CbGSW)

571 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 25, 2016 03:40 PM (zc3Db)

He's still for it. Why can't you guys understand that. He would vote for it if it didn't have the authorization for the Ex IM and the immigration language.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 25, 2016 03:50 PM (X8p7j)

572 "They are not ineligible." Says you.

There's an issue. Says me. Rubio's is worse. It could factor into whether he's a VP choice. Trump may think he doesn't need help in FL, and that a Cuban isn't the best draw with Hispanics.

How do you force a guy at a Convention who won't have won a single state and lost his home state by 15%, even with Jeb now out of the race.

Rubio is going to have to find a job as a K street lobbyist.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 25, 2016 03:50 PM (r1fLd)

573 If not Cruz, or Rubio (LOL) or Sessions, who would be a good pick for Trump's VP?

If Trump wants someone adept in moving things in Washington it has to be a reliably conservative legislator. Who fits that bill?

Posted by: Burn It Down at February 25, 2016 03:50 PM (qHgBB)

574 What happened in Iowa is over and done with, I'll stop rehashing it now.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 25, 2016 03:51 PM (LXJ1e)

575 So if Carson had stolen votes from Cruz you'd just tell Cruz to be a good little victim? Yeah, I think not.

#1 I've seen no evidence that even a single person switched votes because of the CNN story

#2 If Cruz had done something as boneheaded as going home and announcing he wouldn't be campaigning in upcoming states? You're goddamn right I'd be fine with it. Part of the process is actually, you know, playing to win. If you don't want to do that I got no sympathy, no matter how good your policy positions might look on paper.

#3 Cruz DID steal most of Carson's support. Last year, when Carson performed poorly in interviews and showed his clay feet. Dr. Whiny McBooktour needs to go back to medicine while he still has some small shred of reputation left.

Posted by: Weirddave at February 25, 2016 03:52 PM (N8hFs)

576 "Don't worry Trump supporters. Your guy will like;y win the nomination. So if he isn't a threat why the constant attacks on Cruz?"
To knock him out?

Trump is in it to win it my friend. At this point I bet Trump would almost prefer that Cruz win Texas by a couple points as he comes in a close 2nd so that it all looks like it's going sideways on Rubio again. Then when Trump wins Florida Rubio is the one on the outs without a prayer. I would like to see Rubio out before Cruz but thats me.

Posted by: Drider at February 25, 2016 03:52 PM (6Xbsz)

577
The sad part is I'm not even enjoying Trumpmania anymore.

Posted by: Lauren at February 25, 2016 02:26 PM (8uiG4)

I know... It has gone from amusing to despair inducing.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 25, 2016 03:52 PM (OrI3J)

578 I know I'm way late to this party, but what precisely does Trump gain by putting Kitty Softpaws on the ticket?

Posted by: DocJ at February 25, 2016 03:54 PM (zrsn3)

579
If Trump wants someone adept in moving things in Washington it has to be a reliably conservative legislator. Who fits that bill?
Posted by: Burn It Down at February 25, 2016 03:50 PM (qHgBB)

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I dunno, Tom Tancredo.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 25, 2016 03:55 PM (LXJ1e)

580 Ok, I'm going to say it. Trump/Cheney. Ok there. game over the world comes to full stop.

Posted by: Drider at February 25, 2016 03:55 PM (6Xbsz)

581 Posted by: Drider at February 25, 2016 03:39 PM (6Xbsz)

Thats exactly the way I remember it. I was there behind the woodpile.

Posted by: Brian Williams at February 25, 2016 03:58 PM (aRUb8)

582 "How do you force a guy at a Convention who won't have won a single state and lost his home state by 15%, even with Jeb now out of the race. "

Right. Trump will be able to pick who ever he wants for VP.

Cruz is already a dead man walking...so no leverage.

Rubio will follow behind Cruz shortly...so no leverage.

Reagan and Bush were closely duking it out that's why Reagan had to take Bush as VP.

By March 15, Trump will be sprinting to the nominations with no real opponents.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 25, 2016 03:58 PM (Ew7/Q)

583 "I know I'm way late to this party, but what precisely does Trump gain by putting Kitty Softpaws on the ticket?"

Nothing and that's why he won't.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 25, 2016 04:00 PM (Ew7/Q)

584 578
I know I'm way late to this party, but what precisely does Trump gain by putting Kitty Softpaws on the ticket?

Posted by: DocJ at February 25, 2016 03:54 PM (zrsn3)

He pulls in the gays and the metrosexuals and the "Cuban Heel Shoe" cartel...which is gonna be yuge!

Posted by: Rubio's Boyfriend at February 25, 2016 04:01 PM (aRUb8)

585 By March 15, Trump will be sprinting to the nominations with no real opponents.

And then he'll be able to say all the off the cuff stupid comments he wants without repercussions and backtrack on every promise he made because he's got it locked up. He can become the Democrat he basically always has been. Yah!!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 25, 2016 04:02 PM (w4NZ8)

586 Cruz, Rubio: Dude, it doesn't fucking matter anymore. I've reached the "Acceptance" phase of the Kubler-Ross Model. An old high school friend is one of Trump's state campaign managers ( won't say which one ). He says he can get me into the Inagural Ball.

Posted by: Tucker Jerbs at February 25, 2016 04:03 PM (R/SIV)

587 By March 15, Trump will be sprinting to the nominations with no real opponents.

Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at February 25, 2016 03:58 PM (Ew7/Q)

Trump lynched some black kids when he was young. When THAT comes out, he's bound to lose 10-15% of his supporters.

Posted by: Van Jones at February 25, 2016 04:04 PM (aRUb8)

588 "I would like to see Rubio out before Cruz but thats me."

Expect Cruz to win Texas, and Trump the rest on Super Tuesday. Rubio will lost FL by 15%, even with Jeb out of the race.

So who quits first?

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 25, 2016 04:04 PM (r1fLd)

589 "#1 I've seen no evidence that even a single person switched votes because of the CNN story"

We will never know how the dynamics changed. Most voters are LIV and a lot of support for Cruz and Carson is soft support. That was the whole point of the charade.

You other points are useless. Leaving your car unlocked in a bad neighborhood is a bad idea but stealing the car or attempted theft is a crime.

Again blaming the victim. They deserved it.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 25, 2016 04:05 PM (Ew7/Q)

590 "lot of support for Cruz and Carson is soft support. That was the whole point of the charade."

Meaning soft support is malleable and easily changeable.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 25, 2016 04:07 PM (Ew7/Q)

591 Leaving your car unlocked in a bad neighborhood is a bad idea but stealing the car or attempted theft is a crime.

Again blaming the victim. They deserved it.

Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at February 25, 2016 04:05 PM (Ew7/Q)

Lying about who stole the car is a crime.....just give me the facts mam...just the facts.

Posted by: Joe Friday at February 25, 2016 04:09 PM (aRUb8)

592 Doesn't wash. I don't believe in giving medical aid or soccer balls or teddy bears to intentional invaders of my country.

Posted by: Soona at February 25, 2016 03:01 PM (Fmupd)

Good
for you... I on the other hand can ascertain the difference between
giving trespassers medical aid and giving them tacit approval to stay by
giving them leisure materials.

Either way it is a curious
scruple to favor Trump for when he has been sued by the illegals in his
employ for non-payment of wages

Posted by: redbanzai at February 25, 2016 03:06 PM (OrI3J)

Should have given them an I-243, a bus ticket back home, and a bottle of Rubio water.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 25, 2016 04:10 PM (T78UI)

593 Meaning soft support is malleable and easily changeable.

Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at February 25, 2016 04:07 PM (Ew7/Q)

You mean like Trump is malleable and changes positions easily?

Posted by: Mr. Obvious at February 25, 2016 04:11 PM (aRUb8)

594 "Lying about who stole the car is a crime.....just give me the facts mam...just the facts."

The guy who apologized for it and then cornered the victim in a closet to ask for car.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 25, 2016 04:12 PM (Ew7/Q)

595 The guy who apologized for it and then cornered the victim in a closet to ask for car.

Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at February 25, 2016 04:12 PM (Ew7/Q)

Can you restate that, because I could make out what you were trying to say?
Why was someone in a corner in the closet...and how big a closet is it? You can be in a corner in most closets just by being in it... or do you mean "the closet"..as in gay? And who is apologizing..the gay guy or the builder??

Posted by: Mr. Obvious at February 25, 2016 04:17 PM (aRUb8)

596 By March 15, Trump will be sprinting to the nominations with no real opponents.

Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at February 25, 2016 03:58 PM (Ew7/Q)

And Cruz will still be running the ball to the opposition ten yard line and pretending he had nothing to do with the field goal.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 25, 2016 04:18 PM (T78UI)

597 Trump is going to take the nomination and possibly the Presidency. Fine.

So, by all means, let's go out of our way to drive Cruz's dick into the dirt and render his voice for conservatism, gun rights, limited government, etc. useless and possibly endanger his Senate seat. Fantastic plan. Very well thought out. Can't see a downside. Just win, baby.

Trump had better start thinking about getting some control over his starstruck mob - a mob that's starting to look a lot like the fainting zombies of Obama 2008.

Posted by: Jaws at February 25, 2016 04:24 PM (Jktp1)

598 And Cruz will still be running the ball to the opposition ten yard line and pretending he had nothing to do with the field goal.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 25, 2016 04:18 PM (T78UI)

But they were already at the 2 yard line..almost assuring a touchdown. Pushing it back to the ten was a good move.I remember exactly what you're talking about.

Posted by: Brian Williams at February 25, 2016 04:26 PM (aRUb8)

599 "So, by all means, let's go out of our way to drive Cruz's dick into the dirt and render his voice for conservatism, gun rights, limited government, etc. useless and possibly endanger his Senate seat."

I don't seem to recall anyone complaining about Cruz as a senator other than those who say, sent out Mittens and Perry to do some tax BS.

The starstruck mob is happy to have an ally in the Senate from what I can tell.

Posted by: Drider at February 25, 2016 04:32 PM (6Xbsz)

600 "Can you restate that, because I could make out what you were trying to say?
Why was someone in a corner in the closet...and how big a closet is it? You can be in a corner in most closets just by being in it... or do you mean "the closet"..as in gay? And who is apologizing..the gay guy or the builder??"

Sorry, I had to tend to something here.

No. Cruz literally met with Carson in a storage closet because he wanted to 'apologize' and ask Carson to drop out and give his voters to Cruz.

Cruz didn't want to meet in Carson's dressing room because he thought that gave Carson the advantage so they met in an empty storage closet.

Google it.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 25, 2016 04:36 PM (Ew7/Q)

601 "The starstruck mob is happy to have an ally in the Senate from what I can tell."

I don't think the mob mentality involved in cementing an image of Cruz as some creepy foreign liar in the heads of the LIVs can generate the brainpower to plan that far ahead.

Posted by: Jaws at February 25, 2016 04:38 PM (Jktp1)

602 Here:

Daily Beast:

"Cruz, Carson Held Secret Meeting About Dirty Tricks in a Closet "

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 25, 2016 04:39 PM (Ew7/Q)

603 "I don't think the mob mentality involved in cementing an image of Cruz as some creepy foreign liar in the heads of the LIVs can generate the brainpower to plan that far ahead."

ROTFLMAO. I'm sorry. I was just trying to console you in your moment of need.

Posted by: Drider at February 25, 2016 04:39 PM (6Xbsz)

604 I don't seem to recall anyone complaining about Cruz
as a senator other than those who say, sent out Mittens and Perry to
do some tax BS.

The starstruck mob is happy to have an ally in the Senate from what I can tell.

Posted by: Drider at February 25, 2016 04:32 PM (6Xbsz)

How do you separate the effects of falsely pointing a finger and repeatedly shouting "LIAR!" from the Senator doing his job, without being a member of the "starstruck mob" protecting their "Leader"?The only identifiable "starstruck" behavior is coming from the Trumpettes high kicking and swooning.

Posted by: Mimzey at February 25, 2016 04:43 PM (aRUb8)

605 "And Cruz will still be running the ball to the opposition ten yard line and pretending he had nothing to do with the field goal."

Followed by an excuse, a misleading legalese explanation, blaming the victim, or an outright lie.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 25, 2016 04:43 PM (Ew7/Q)

606 Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at February 25, 2016 04:39 PM (Ew7/Q)

You seem easily manipulated...just my opinion, others may feel differently. Are you a Trump supporter?

Posted by: Mimzey at February 25, 2016 04:45 PM (aRUb8)

607 Followed by an excuse, a misleading legalese explanation, blaming the victim, or an outright lie.

Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at February 25, 2016 04:43 PM (Ew7/Q)

What are you trying to say? Can you provide some examples??

Posted by: Mimzey at February 25, 2016 04:47 PM (aRUb8)

608 "You seem easily manipulated...just my opinion, others may feel differently. Are you a Trump supporter?"

Right back atchya'

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 25, 2016 04:48 PM (Ew7/Q)

609 Cruz ain't the friggin enemy, sport.

You might want to think about that.

Posted by: Jaws at February 25, 2016 04:49 PM (Jktp1)

610 "What are you trying to say? Can you provide some examples??"

It was an omission.
It was an error.
Mitch McConnell lied to me.
I didn't know I was Canadian
After writing a full-throated editorial with Paul Ryan in favor of Obamatrade, I changed my mind because of voter blowback and my cloture vote was all that was needed anyway.

Just a few.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 25, 2016 04:52 PM (Ew7/Q)

611 Right back atchya'

Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at February 25, 2016 04:48 PM (Ew7/Q)

Thanks you for honestly admitting that you're easily manipulated. Most people would deny it. If you start to make an effort to think more clearly, you can beat the pestilence and misfortune that comes from being easily manipulated. Don't get discouraged. You can do it.No...not a Trump supporter. He's too much of a transparent carnival barker for my tastes.

Posted by: Mimzey at February 25, 2016 04:54 PM (aRUb8)

612 It was an omission.

It was an error.

Mitch McConnell lied to me.

I didn't know I was Canadian

After writing a full-throated editorial with Paul Ryan in favor of
Obamatrade, I changed my mind because of voter blowback and my cloture
vote was all that was needed anyway.

Just a few.

Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at February 25, 2016 04:52 PM (Ew7/Q)

Those are simply claims. What are you basing those claims on?

Posted by: Mimzey at February 25, 2016 04:56 PM (aRUb8)

613 I don't seem to recall anyone complaining about Cruz
as a senator other than those who say, sent out Mittens and Perry to do some tax BS.

Cruz has made the right enemies in the Senate. The problem is he's also made enemies of guys like Mike Lee.

When you ask to get a second in order to speak and no one, not just the old guard, but no one offers one. You're doing it wrong.

You need to pick your poison this year, so that shouldn't stop you from supporting him. But he's managed to piss people off who he really shouldn't have had to piss off.

Posted by: AD at February 25, 2016 04:56 PM (Pqhmy)

614 Listen. Everyone is getting upset prematurely. The GOPe has other plans than letting anyone other than The Rube to become the pick.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/25/politics/rubio-republican-convention/index.html

The GOPe plans on handing it to Hillary. They had to make sure that she stole it from Bernie, which she did without a hitch. She sit's in her ivory tower and awaits gifts and glory from the GOPe.

Fun fact, did you know that the GOPe is packed with redefined conservatives.
Strange I know.

Posted by: Drider at February 25, 2016 04:56 PM (6Xbsz)

615 Jan. 10 Cruz wasn't for deportation. Magically, two days ago...

"said he would seek out and deport all the illegal immigrants in the US"

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 25, 2016 04:57 PM (Ew7/Q)

616 It was an omission.

It was an error.

Mitch McConnell lied to me.

I didn't know I was Canadian

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"Those are simply claims. What are you basing those claims on?"

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Cruz's own words.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 25, 2016 04:59 PM (Ew7/Q)

617 614
Listen. Everyone is getting upset prematurely. The GOPe has other plans
than letting anyone other than The Rube to become the pick.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/25/politics/rubio-republican-convention/index.html

The GOPe plans on handing it to Hillary. They had to make sure that
she stole it from Bernie, which she did without a hitch. She sit's in
her ivory tower and awaits gifts and glory from the GOPe.

Fun fact, did you know that the GOPe is packed with redefined conservatives.

Strange I know.

Posted by: Drider at February 25, 2016 04:56 PM (6Xbsz)

I agree with that. They WILL shove Rubio down our throats.

Posted by: Mimzey at February 25, 2016 05:01 PM (aRUb8)

618 Cruz's own words.

Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at February 25, 2016 04:59 PM (Ew7/Q)

Which ones are you claiming are false?

Posted by: Mimzey at February 25, 2016 05:03 PM (aRUb8)

619 "Thanks you for honestly admitting that you're easily manipulated. Most people would deny it."

Nope. Just too lazy to type any more words because I didn't think you were worth it.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 25, 2016 05:05 PM (Ew7/Q)

620 "Which ones are you claiming are false?"

All of them.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 25, 2016 05:07 PM (Ew7/Q)

621 620
"Which ones are you claiming are false?"

All of them.

Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at February 25, 2016 05:07 PM (Ew7/Q)

What process did you use to evaluate that and come to the conclusion that you have? What data points did you weigh, one against the other?

Posted by: Mimzey at February 25, 2016 05:09 PM (aRUb8)

622 Exit answer - The only way Rubio is the 2020 nominee is if he helps bring about the brokered Bush/Kasich ticket (to preserve NextInLine) and said ticket falls (to knock Kasich out of being NextInLine).

Posted by: steveegg at February 25, 2016 05:12 PM (v6+HN)

623 If you believe that the brilliant Harvard lawyer didn't know being born in Canada and living there for the first four years of his life made him a Canadian then I'd say you are easily manipulated. J

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 25, 2016 05:12 PM (Ew7/Q)

624 "What process did you use to evaluate that and come to the conclusion that you have? What data points did you weigh, one against the other?"

Uh...that he's a Harvard Lawyer so I highly doubt he didn't know he was a Canadian.

Uh...because his wife is a extraordinarily financially literate person and he himself is a Princeton and Harvard grad so I highly doubt they were incapable of correctly reporting loans from Goldman and Citibank.

Uh...because he wrote a book called "A Time for Truth" ...exposing the 'Washington Cartel' that came out in book stores June 30, 2015. He called McConnell a liar in July, 2015. He should read his own book.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 25, 2016 05:19 PM (Ew7/Q)

625 Trump has spent his entire life inside the establishment, there is no way to make that kind of money by flouting the establishment... banks don't loan money to people with political enemies. The Atlantic City gurus who grant permission to build casinos don't give them to people with any hint of anti-establishment.

And this is the guy they have chosen to blow up DC?

Trump has at least 95 employees doing servile jobs for him that any American could easily do,many applied and turned down, instead Trump got Visas to bring in foreigners.

This is guy they think is going to oppose amnesty?

Trump can sell-- that is for sure, but what he is selling right now is BS!!!

I don't care about either issue really. But if that were the reason I supported someone and I found that out, it would make a difference!!!

Hopefully the actual racists, not normal people, but you must see them all over the internet.... you know who they aer....I hope those guys go back to voting third party where all wackos should vote.

Posted by: petunia at February 25, 2016 05:36 PM (VoCyE)

626 "What process did you use to evaluate that and come to the conclusion that you have? What data points did you weigh, one against the other?"

Please.

Why would we bother to do all that hard, thinky type work when shouting "LIAR! LIAR! LIAR!" obviously works so well?

Posted by: Jaws at February 25, 2016 05:36 PM (Jktp1)

627 Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at February 25, 2016 05:19 PM (Ew7/Q)

So, basically.......nothing. No process at all except feeeeelings and confirmation bias.

You're slipping back into the appeal of the soft, warm arms of manipulation. Fight it!...shake it off....accept reality. It won't hurt you...it'll help you.
You can do it. I believe in you!

Posted by: Definately Not Mimzey at February 25, 2016 05:41 PM (aRUb8)

628 Rubio's burned all his bridges so he's going to go to Trump for a job after this is all over.

Posted by: Abby Normal at February 25, 2016 05:41 PM (5VZqJ)

629 "Rubio's burned all his bridges so he's going to go to Trump for a job after this is all over."

Ummm, no Abby. That's not the plan at all.

This is;
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/25/politics/rubio-republican-convention/index.htm

Posted by: Drider at February 25, 2016 05:43 PM (6Xbsz)

630 "So, basically.......nothing. No process at all except feeeeelings and confirmation bias."

No. Those are facts not feelings.

I see by your hash that you are "Your an idiot" - haha

You still lose.

The wall just got 10 feet higher. Haha.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 25, 2016 05:50 PM (Ew7/Q)

631 Hopefully the actual racists, not normal people, but
you must see them all over the internet.... you know who they aer....I
hope those guys go back to voting third party where all wackos should
vote.

Posted by: petunia at February 25, 2016 05:36 PM (VoCyE)

Yesterday - you are a racist if you don't like Obama,Today - you are a racist if you like Trump.
Sooo Modern.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 25, 2016 05:56 PM (T78UI)

632
The wall just got 10 feet higher. Haha.

Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at February 25, 2016 05:50 PM (Ew7/Q)

Those walls separating you from reality are not real (like Trumps"wall"), and they will not protect you. They will isolate you into the "comfort that kills". It's just a mental construct that you can overcome. Believe in yourself and not the fantasy.You can do it!

Posted by: Definately Not Mimzey at February 25, 2016 06:00 PM (aRUb8)

633 OT/
I like the cut of this "Mimzey" characters jib. He tells it like it is. I know the Trump supporters can relate to that appeal.

Posted by: Mr. Sensible at February 25, 2016 06:02 PM (aRUb8)

634 Rubio is the cute fun guy you dated, Cruz is the serious guy you went steady with, but Trump is the rich frat boy you marry.

Posted by: Shanks for the memory at February 25, 2016 07:17 PM (9HNfr)

635 Ace, why don't you save some of your venom for Hillary and nit someone you agree with 80% of the time.

Posted by: rexbatt at February 25, 2016 10:05 PM (woA40)

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