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Why Doesn't Anyone With a Microphone or a News Platform Find Out Exactly What Marco Rubio's Current Immigration Position Actually Is?

Marco Rubio likes to keep things vague. I notice his establishment media boosters like letting him stay vague on this point.

Stanley Kurtz asks what Rubio's actual current policy is. Shouldn't we know that? And shouldn't we know if it's a real policy or just something he's claiming to get him to the general election?

Immigration... is too important an issue to leave so ambiguous. Unless and until Rubio satisfies conservative voters that he now rejects the most egregious provisions of the Gang of Eight bill--and not simply the order in which those provisions kick in--Sen. Cruz will rightly have an opening for attack.

I have my theories about why we don't know, about why there's so little scrutiny of Rubio on the One Big Issue holding him back.

You know, I floated the idea that I could get behind Rubio if he made one promise: that he would not attempt any sort of legalization until after he had worked dilligently to secure the border for three years. If, after doing that, he wants to propose legalization in an election year, I figure either he'll have sealed the border, and thus it's politically viable to try for legalization, in which case I'd be okay with it, or he wouldn't have sealed the border, and thus it's politically disastrous to propose legalization, which I'd be okay with as well.

I figure, if Rubio's actually kept his commitment to border security, then I wouldn't mind having a political discussion on some kind of legalization.

I just don't want him to try that, as he tried with Gang of Eight, before actually doing anything on the security and enforcement front.

No one else troubled themselves to ask Rubio about this. Rubio, for his part, did not respond himself. Mostly people shouted at me for daring to ask Rubio for such a thing.

Does no one ask such an obvious question, or ask for such an useful promise, because they know damn well what Rubio intends to do and don't want to corner him on the point?

I also posted Rubio's Univision interview transcripts. Patterico wrote about some other cases of dissembling in those transcripts.

The establishment media has been Dead Radio Silent about that.

Almost as if they just don't want people to know about it.

Note that Kurtz's piece is in NRO, so I'm not saying they're embargoing this.

National Review also publishes this piece by John Fonte, on Rubio's prior history on immigration.

It's pretty damning. You might have forgotten much of this, or maybe never knew.

For example, this was Rubio's big roll-out after his Gang of Eight on amnesty failed:

Senator Rubio is now a member of the Gang of Six, the sponsors of the Immigration Innovation Act of 2015 (known as I-Squared), which would double the number of H-1B "guest worker" visas for low-wage foreign tech workers, give work permits to their spouses and some categories of foreign students, and increase permanent immigration. Thus, despite Rubio's constant rhetorical drumbeat about how border and interior enforcement must be dealt with before other immigration measures are considered, his first post–Gang of Eight legislative proposal is not related to enforcement but, instead, advocates more "guest workers" and expanding permanent immigration.

The I-Squared bill is being promoted by the same group of big-business lobbyists and high-tech moguls who poured money into the 2013 bill. The tech industry claims there is a "shortage" of American IT workers. But in a Senate hearing, leading academic experts have refuted this thesis. Professor Ron Hira of Howard University declared that “there is an ample supply of American workers . . . who are willing and qualified to fill high-skilled jobs in this country." Hira continued, "Most of the H-1B program is now being used to import cheaper foreign guest workers, replacing American workers and undercutting their wages."

Is Rubio really "electable"? Note the sidebar piece: For Romney to have won in 2012, he would have had to increase his Hispanic voteshare from 27% to 50%, or his white voteshare from 56% to 59%.

Three little points.

I don't believe Rubio would do gangbusters with Hispanics. I think he'd pull like 36%. Too many Hispanics are simply Democrats -- even if you adopt the Democrats' position on amnesty, they still favor the Democrats on all other issues, including, increasingly, social issues.

Yet, meanwhile, he also continues to scheme with Mark Zuckerberg to put more American citizens out of work by importing in cheaper foreign workers.

That doesn't seem likely to increase the white voteshare; in fact, it seems likely to depress it.

Does the GOP really want to become the party that deliberately, zealously undermines American workers' job salaries and job securities at every opportunity?

Apparently, they do.

The GOP Mandarins are not pushing open borders because it's politically popular -- it's not. They're pushing it because a very influential and well-heeled bloc within the establishment wants it for reasons having nothing to do with politics, or justice.

David Frum's Aesop parable about the boy who can't get his hand out of the nut-jar, because he's greedily grabbed too many nuts and won't let a single one go, becomes more brightly piercing by the day.

They've got their heels dug in, and they're not giving an inch to you Racists.

Who's the real No Compromise wing of the GOP? The Establishment is -- but only when they're dealing with other Republicans, those who have the gall and cheek to challenge them.

Don't buy the hype. Rubio is not a viable candidate.

Choose Cruz. (Fonte's piece notes that Cruz was a very important actor in defeating the Gang of Eight -- not just via the legislative poison pill, but by publicizing the defects of it on talk radio.)

Posted by: Ace at 11:05 AM




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1 Might want to close the italics, ace.

Posted by: HH at February 24, 2016 11:06 AM (DrCtv)

2 Ace to the barrel?

Posted by: speedster1 at February 24, 2016 11:06 AM (vUcdz)

3 Dark Art.

Posted by: Grimm the Dark at February 24, 2016 11:06 AM (dNQzS)

4 Nevermind.

Posted by: HH at February 24, 2016 11:06 AM (DrCtv)

5 His current position is to lie through his teeth about his past position.

Posted by: NotCoach at February 24, 2016 11:06 AM (rsudF)

6 Are we talking about Vice President Rubio? He won't have an influence, so I don't think it matters.

Posted by: MTF at February 24, 2016 11:07 AM (TxJGV)

7 Why Doesn't Anyone With a Microphone or a News Platform Find Out Exactly What Marco Rubio's Current Immigration Position Actually Is?

Because It Changes Like The Wind.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 24, 2016 11:08 AM (oVJmc)

8 i honestly don't know where the party got this idea that we exist to pound the American middle class and working class into dust.

Posted by: ace at February 24, 2016 11:09 AM (dciA+)

9 The MSM (all lefties) don't want to ask because it would blow his cover as "teh only electable Republican" - they need to maintain that secrecy until he gets the nomination, then ambush him when he debates Hillary.

John McCain still hasn't figured out that they did that to *him* in 2008 (the cover during primary season).

Posted by: Lizzy at February 24, 2016 11:10 AM (NOIQH)

10 Good morning ace!
How's the indigestion?

Repost - I did a blog post on Twitter vs RD McCain

(Link in nic)

I wish I could comment on Stacy McCain's blog to give him a link but he uses disqus.

Posted by: @votermom at February 24, 2016 11:10 AM (cbfNE)

11 Fuck it! Throw everybody out! When they get to the Irish I'll worry.

BBARC - Be Back After Reading Content.

I assume the tikka woke ace up.

Posted by: DaveA at February 24, 2016 11:11 AM (DL2i+)

12 Maybe they know something we don't.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 24, 2016 11:11 AM (wCLLY)

13

Rubio : "If we prove illegal immigration is finally under control, Americans will respond in a responsible way."

http://preview.tinyurl.com/h2jf9my

Real Clear Politics

I, for one, do not believe a word of it.

Posted by: Grimm the Dark at February 24, 2016 11:11 AM (dNQzS)

14 i honestly don't know where the party got this idea that we exist to pound the American middle class and working class into dust.

YOU, ALL RIGHT?? I LEARNED IT BY WATCHING YOU!!!!

Posted by: Surly Teen GOPe at February 24, 2016 11:11 AM (oVJmc)

15 we really don't need stinking jobs. we'd all be freer to explore our full artistic potential without worrying about paying for a roof over our families heads.

Posted by: willow at February 24, 2016 11:11 AM (L1+sh)

16 The thing is, what needs to be done on illegal immigration is already within the executive's powers: Enforce The Law. Congress need to nothing at all to get what we want. To predicate ENFORCING THE LAW on whether Congress is amenable to NEW LAWS is just ridiculous.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at February 24, 2016 11:12 AM (evdj2)

17 Posted on the wrong thread...

*ahem*


Welp.

The upcoming 1-3 weeks will probably determine if Cruz -

will be a power to contend with or not.


If you're for Cruz-

And haven't given cash yet-

you need to do it now.


With FOX in full on blowjob mode for Mario and Trump possibly surging again-

Cruz will need to run a bunch of ads.


So, money, honey is the mother's milk of politics.


If you don't cough up, don't complain.

Posted by: naturalfake at February 24, 2016 11:12 AM (0cMkb)

18 I wish they would ask Trump about his flexible positions as well.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 24, 2016 11:12 AM (wCLLY)

19 >>>I assume the tikka woke ace up.

indeed. I had a nightmare. One of my first spicy-food nightmares. I know people say that a lot, but I haven't experienced it much before.

It was a scary one.

I got up at 6:30. yeah i'm probably not going to be around too late today.

Posted by: ace at February 24, 2016 11:12 AM (dciA+)

20 The Irish have a long and honorable history in America.

The first of us got here clinging to the "Mayflower".

Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at February 24, 2016 11:13 AM (bpn7O)

21 I'm very disappointed that Cruz hasn't made a harder, more direct link between illegal immigration and the economy.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at February 24, 2016 11:13 AM (JxMoP)

22 I like Cruz but, barring a miracle, Trump is going to win the GOP nomination and Hillary will be president. It just dawned on me this morning which is why I'm so fucking depressed.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at February 24, 2016 11:13 AM (RD7QR)

23 He drinks too much water.

And his hotels are not that amazing.

O/T but Friday is Johnny Cash's birthday, he would be 84 if alive today.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at February 24, 2016 11:13 AM (U6f54)

24 Rubio's current immigration platform is what it always was. Open borders. Gang of Eight. Pathway to citizenship. Screw Americans. Doesn't matter what he tells us little people.

Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at February 24, 2016 11:13 AM (3E4Xs)

25 Adding just a small increase in white working class voters to the GOP vote count gives President Trump a fairly straightforward victory (thanks to the 538 "Turn Blue States Red" tool). This guy will win, no matter what his negatives are. What he will do when he wins is anyone's guess, because even he doesn't have a clue what he believes.

Posted by: MTF at February 24, 2016 11:13 AM (TxJGV)

26 >>i honestly don't know where the party got this idea that we exist to
pound the American middle class and working class into dust.

It's DC madness?

It seems like they move there, get settled, all their kids go to school with Dem and other govt/media/movers 'n shakers' kids, they attend the same parties, shop at the same places, attend the same churches/synagogues, they live next door from each other....and they lose total touch with reality outside of the beltway bubble.

How do you explain the impact of, say, gas and food prices to someone who is driven to work every day and has all their shopping and meal prep done for them?

Posted by: Lizzy at February 24, 2016 11:13 AM (NOIQH)

27 Running out of tax dollars to pay for massive government requires more tax payers in the system. Hellloooooo amnesty. Sign here for a SSN.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 24, 2016 11:13 AM (wCLLY)

28 look the employer needs all the extra cash saved by importig cheap labor , not having to pay for their medical. to stuff the pockets of our two party leadership.

no pain no gain as they always say.

Posted by: willow at February 24, 2016 11:14 AM (L1+sh)

29 8 i honestly don't know where the party got this idea that we exist to pound the American middle class and working class into dust.

Posted by: ace at February 24, 2016 11:09 AM (dciA+)


___________________________________________

The ruling class does not represent the American people, they represent themselves. By creating a federal behemoth, and separating the states from the Senate, we have created an aristocratic elite that enriches itself through favors to those with money.

I am typically an optimistic person, but it really does not matter who wins this next election because the flaws in the system will not be corrected. The cure is to fundamentally overhaul the relationship between the federal government and the states, and to severely curtail the power of the courts. And neither will happen without some heavy duty amendments to the Constitution.

Posted by: NotCoach at February 24, 2016 11:14 AM (rsudF)

30 (Ans head line then read the whole thing)


We know what his real position is:


Amnesty and Open Borders IOW the same position Obama has.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 24, 2016 11:14 AM (t2KH5)

31 Note the sidebar piece: For Romney to have won in 2012, he would have had to increase his Hispanic voteshare from 27% to 50%, or his white voteshare from 56% to 59%.
============
There is a candidate in the race that does increase the white voteshare by 3% or more: Trump.

But, he can't win because all the cool people hate him or something, something.

I keep saying it over and over but: There is no possible path to victory for Rubio--he can't win his home state and he WILL NOT take more delegates than Cruz next Tuesday.

He will be 3 to 1 or more behind Trump and 2 to1 or more behind Cruz.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 24, 2016 11:15 AM (fQ/0p)

32 I'm beginning to think none of Our Candidates can win.... Depressing thought isn't it...

Posted by: donna at February 24, 2016 11:15 AM (/dSsq)

33 >>>Rubio : "If we prove illegal immigration is finally under control, Americans will respond in a responsible way."

Duck, dodge, dip, dive, and dodge.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at February 24, 2016 11:15 AM (JxMoP)

34 ace , i have had terrifying dreams where i wake up crying and panting. am up for an hour, lay back down fall asleep and resume the freakin nightmare!

Posted by: willow at February 24, 2016 11:15 AM (L1+sh)

35 I am miserable reading about Republicans flushing the country down the toilet. Rubio a nd Cruz split the non-strumpet vote, the strumpet wins. Hillary probably wins. Conservatives loss for a generation as the loud and foul take over. Makes me feel distended.

Posted by: Hamitchell at February 24, 2016 11:16 AM (G0t7U)

36 I've never heard of spicy food nightmares.

Wait, was it a nightmare where you couldn't move?
Those are the worst.

Posted by: @votermom at February 24, 2016 11:16 AM (cbfNE)

37 Rubio's immigration response subroutine is hung up and in need of a reboot.

When Mario starts chug-a-lugging water, you know his overclocked circuitry is approaching overload status.

Posted by: Fritz at February 24, 2016 11:16 AM (UzPAd)

38 RUBE ee'ohs: Those who vote for Jug Eared Fvck, the II'd.



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at February 24, 2016 11:16 AM (McRlu)

39 Journalists are the least curious people on the planet.

Posted by: huerfano at February 24, 2016 11:16 AM (NSb9d)

40 Why bother to ask Rubio? He's not force in the race right now.

Or, to quote Queen Hillary I, "What does it matter now?"

Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at February 24, 2016 11:17 AM (7FH+T)

41
*Prediction*

Mario, if he's the nominee, will start getting hard questions about amnesty the minute after he's nominated.

That will give Hillary! or Sanders room to "move to the right" via lies on immigration-

the Democrat voters will assume H or S are lying anyway and vote for them.

But, as with Obama "moving to the right" it's all to sucker in stupid Reps and keep conservative Dims on the plantation.



Posted by: naturalfake at February 24, 2016 11:17 AM (0cMkb)

42 here was the nightmare, and bear in mind, this is a dream, so it doesn't make much sense:

A story was gripping the country about this family's children all going missing. It was on all the news. I was blogging it, I guess.

somehow i found this scary house. I found all the children in little coffins. but they weren't dead. They were just sleeping. they attacked me with hockey sticks and longbows (seriously, this isn't blog-schtick).

Somehow it came out, or I got the idea, that the children were not kidnapped. they had murdered their own parents and were living on their own. I don't know why they slept in coffins.

I escaped. but i had no proof of my discovery.

I was in a limo later. I was talking to, I think, Marc Ambinder (I think just becuase he was in the news recently). I explained to him what had happened, and that these five children weren't victims, but murderers.

He gave me a pen and paper and said "I want you to write down *exactly* what you just said for me, because I don't want to lose your *voice* in the article."

At that moment i realized he wasn't believing my story. He thought I was involved in the children's kidnapping. he wasn't asking for a quote -- he was trying to get me to give a written confession (or at least evidence that would be used against me).

I tried to explain this to him and I wound up having to escape the limo by jumping out of it while it was moving.

people began chasing me.

then I woke up

Posted by: ace at February 24, 2016 11:17 AM (dciA+)

43 I figure, if Rubio's actually kept his commitment to border security,
then I wouldn't mind having a political discussion on some kind of
legalization.



I will not even go with that. That is exactly what the promised RR and then cheated him on. After which he said it was the biggest mistake he ever made.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 24, 2016 11:17 AM (t2KH5)

44 it's not that they only stripped our futures away from us. they call us names and kick us while we writhe on the ground, telling us we deserve it.

fk them.

Posted by: willow at February 24, 2016 11:17 AM (L1+sh)

45 >>lay back down fall asleep and resume the freakin nightmare!

Those are The WORST!

The nightmares where you can't move are night terrors - think it's because it happens during the part of your sleep cycle where you are sorta paralyzed.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 24, 2016 11:17 AM (NOIQH)

46 Rubot' s immigration position is clearly defined in his SQL tables.

Posted by: @votermom at February 24, 2016 11:18 AM (cbfNE)

47 Legalization of any kind is unacceptable, and I would even say un-American and traitorous.

Posted by: Blano at February 24, 2016 11:18 AM (sdPF/)

48 Speaking of crooks, a Texas court has thrown out the bogus criminal charges against Rick Perry but the lawfare served its purpose. It destroyed any chance he had for a campaign.

Meanwhile Hillary remains at large.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 24, 2016 11:18 AM (Nwg0u)

49 indeed. I had a nightmare. One of my first spicy-food nightmares. I know people say that a lot, but I haven't experienced it much before.

It was a scary one.

I got up at 6:30. yeah i'm probably not going to be around too late today.

Posted by: ace at February 24, 2016 11:12 AM (dciA+)


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Posted by: Hillary! at February 24, 2016 11:19 AM (rsudF)

50 Mostly people shouted at me for daring to ask Rubio for such a thing.

Leave Marco alone!

*sobs*

Posted by: Chris Crocker at February 24, 2016 11:19 AM (87y4e)

51 Cruz has been my choice for a while. I have to say, Ace, it is refreshing to see you endorse a candidate. My candidate. I hope it is equally refreshing for you.

I have "conservative" friends who are Trump supporters, and it is very
depressing. They cannot be swayed. I get the anger-- but the guy is not a
conservative, and supporting him is not a reasoned position, but an
emotional one.

My big fear is that we go to the convention with a 3-way split, and Trump offers Rubio the VP slot. The art of the deal. Trump would do that. Rubio would take that. I'm watching to see what kind of attacks, if any, Trump launches on Rubio. Keep an eye on, "young and inexperienced," or anything that doesn't burn a bridge as definitively as, for example, "I've never seen a bigger liar in my life than this Cruz guy."

Because I'm also a SMOD guy, I could see myself voting for Trump, for no other reason than to burn the GOP down-- with the sole exception of Trump pulling a Rubio play-- or anything else that similarly throws a lifeline to the Establishment. Then, I'd have to consider other Options of Doom.


Posted by: benjamin at February 24, 2016 11:19 AM (8N+Hl)

52 lizzy. truly awful. and so realz!

Posted by: willow at February 24, 2016 11:19 AM (L1+sh)

53 Does the GOP really want to become the party that deliberately,
zealously undermines American workers' job salaries and job securities
at every opportunity?



Of course they do. The worker is not their constituency, the owners are.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 24, 2016 11:19 AM (t2KH5)

54 Cruz doesn't seem very electable either.

Posted by: x at February 24, 2016 11:19 AM (nFwvY)

55 >>>Posted by: ace at February 24, 2016 11:17 AM (dciA+)

That nightmare of yours is more interesting than most of the crap horror movies pumped out by Hollywood recently.

Start writing the script.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at February 24, 2016 11:20 AM (JxMoP)

56 >>>look the employer needs all the extra cash saved by importig cheap labor , not having to pay for their medical. to stuff the pockets of our two party leadership.

Look to big retailers that serve welfare communities. Yes, WalMart, I'm looking at you. When I got to the one over in Chamblee, it's overrun by illegal aliens spending welfare benifits. From your pocket to WalMart's balance sheet, via a government wealth-transfer pump.

Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at February 24, 2016 11:20 AM (bpn7O)

57 O/T but Friday is Johnny Cash's birthday, he would be 84 if alive today

But he is alive. Turn on your radio.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at February 24, 2016 11:20 AM (DQZLr)

58 they attacked me with hockey sticks and longbows (seriously, this isn't blog-schtick).


--

I LOLed
Sorry

You should eat more spicy food and start writing movie scripts

Posted by: @votermom at February 24, 2016 11:20 AM (cbfNE)

59 Valid Points. You have to go after Rubio on electability grounds. So your points of comparison with Romney are great.

NV was supposed to be Rubio firewall, right? Remember this from couple of months back...
https://t.co/l3zyvO8kr9

Rubio hasn't won a contest yet...Worse he hasn't even won more delegates than Cruz anywhere! He is the electable candidate who hasn't won any elections (or more delegates than even the second place Cruz) held to date...This point needs to be hammered home!

Posted by: Immigrant in CA at February 24, 2016 11:20 AM (89P1m)

60 ace, so why did you do it?

now sign your name right here.

and here.

Posted by: willow at February 24, 2016 11:20 AM (L1+sh)

61 To those who say Rubio can't win, I have a circle of acquaintances Who would disagree..... They just can't stomach Trump or Cruz and think Rubio is a safer choice........... As misguided as that sounds there are a lot of voters out there that feel the same.... By the way, don't shoot the messenger....

Posted by: donna at February 24, 2016 11:20 AM (/dSsq)

62 The bigger thing now is Trump and what is his strategy for beating Hillary Clinton.

Every reporter everywhere should be telling him to quit talking about his fucking primary poll numbers, and insist he talk about what he will do to beat her.

The self-promotion thing is OK when you have all your rivals beat by double digits in polling, and then in actually primary votes, but let's face it, it's all over and Trump will go on to the general.

Then polling will not be what it is now. It'll look like 47-47 nationally for the great part of the race, but the polling focus should be on the swing states.

Trump needs to say what he will do to win this thing. And this thing involves beating The Haggard Queen.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at February 24, 2016 11:20 AM (U6f54)

63 If you want to see how easily Trump can win, just by bringing more white working class voter over to the GOP, here is the 538 tool. Just slide the turnout and per cent GOP on that one filter and you can see how quickly he can win the election. It won't take much.

53eig.ht/1QiX7ox

Posted by: MTF at February 24, 2016 11:20 AM (TxJGV)

64 If the Democrat were pulling in the same level of blue collar and working class support that Trump is, the media would be wall-to-wall about how wonderful, uplifting and caring he was.

The other thing is, Trump may be and likely is all the awful "Democrat-lite" things people say about him. But, he is winning--and winning big--in the one area where conservatives keep getting their asses kicked: The culture.

But, I still want Cruz to win.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 24, 2016 11:20 AM (fQ/0p)

65 >>>Start writing the script.

actually i did. I changed a couple of details because some of the actual details of the nightmare were good enough for a script.

Posted by: ace at February 24, 2016 11:20 AM (dciA+)

66 Ace, trusting Mark Ambinder must have been terrifying.

Posted by: Surly Teen GOPe at February 24, 2016 11:21 AM (oVJmc)

67 >>>ace, so why did you do it?

now sign your name right here.

and here.

...

do you not want to "lose my voice"?

Posted by: ace at February 24, 2016 11:21 AM (dciA+)

68
The nightmares where you can't move are night terrors - think it's because it happens during the part of your sleep cycle where you are sorta paralyzed.----Lizzy

That's when the aliens are doing their probing.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale inc. at February 24, 2016 11:21 AM (m3iiU)

69 I think nobody asks him because, if they did, he wouldn't give any of them rides in his speedboat.

Posted by: tu3031 at February 24, 2016 11:21 AM (YFFpo)

70 >>>ace , i have had terrifying dreams where i wake up crying and panting. am up for an hour, lay back down fall asleep and resume the freakin nightmare!

Worst is when you've had too much Vindaloo curry, and you dream the thing from "Alien" is about to burst out of your chest.

Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at February 24, 2016 11:22 AM (bpn7O)

71 Since this issue is the millstone that Trump has hung around Rubio's neck, and he is dangling over the side of the boat, then one would think he would have every incentive to put down a solid border enforcement position.

He doesn't do that. He doesn't have to do that.

The jury can form their own conclusions.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Sponsor of the 2016 Trump of Doom Tour! at February 24, 2016 11:22 AM (hLRSq)

72 Marco has seen Kinky Boots 50 times! TY for patronage Marco!

Posted by: Kinky Boots at February 24, 2016 11:22 AM (m0JA3)

73 I could get behind Rubio if he made one promise: that he would not attempt any sort of legalization until after he had worked dilligently to secure the border for three years.
____________________________________________

Just the tip honey....I promise.

Posted by: Donald Trump at February 24, 2016 11:22 AM (aRUb8)

74 people began chasing me.

And you couldn't run for shit, right?

Posted by: John P. Squibob at February 24, 2016 11:22 AM (DQZLr)

75 so we need to buy you more spicy food meals.

eat up.
no really go for that second helping it's ok.
but we're running a couple miles in the morning.

Posted by: willow at February 24, 2016 11:22 AM (L1+sh)

76 The race is over but regarding Cruz is just the same on these issues.

He has been just as much a flip flopper as Rubio

Here's Cruz

"Asked about what to do with the people here illegally, however, he stressed that he had never tried to undo the goal of allowing them to stay.

"The amendment that I introduced removed the path to citizenship, but it did not change the underlying work permit from the Gang of Eight," he said during a recent visit to El Paso. ...

Mr. Cruz said recent polling indicated that people outside Washington support some reform, including legal status without citizenship.

Besides barring citizenship while instituting some level of legalization for those here already, Mr. Cruz has proposed increasing the number of green cards awarded annually, to 1.35 million from 675,000. He also wants to eliminate the per-country limit that he said left applicants from countries like Mexico, China and India hamstrung when they tried to gain legal entry to this country."

Posted by: Targus at February 24, 2016 11:23 AM (6ejxM)

77 Worst dreams I've ever had were when I was on a pill to prevent malaria (forget the name) - vivid, technicolor dreams, like yuuuuge neon jellyfish attacking me underwater. Had a colleague who dreamed he was on fire (was taking same pills for int'l work trips). *shivers*

Posted by: Lizzy at February 24, 2016 11:23 AM (NOIQH)

78 The missing children are Hot Air's missing commenters.

They are now attacking you. With weapons of your own masochistic choosing.

Your hour is up.

Posted by: eleven at February 24, 2016 11:23 AM (qUNWi)

79 Posted by: ace at February 24, 2016 11:17 AM (dciA+)

_____________________________________________

Sounds like a Mel Gibson movie, so interpreting your dream I think you hate Jews.

Posted by: NotCoach at February 24, 2016 11:23 AM (rsudF)

80 people began chasing me.

then I woke up
Posted by: ace



Never do the brown acid.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 24, 2016 11:23 AM (JWzxO)

81 54 Cruz doesn't seem very electable either.
Posted by: x at February 24, 2016 11:19 AM (nFwvY)

Exactly. Cruz isn't getting 36% of the Hispanic vote. And worse, he will probably drop a couple of points on the women's vote, which is critical here. But pay no attention to that, this is all about punishing Rubio for the admittedly stupid attempt to carry the Establishment's water on the Gand of Eight. I continue to maintain that we can win with Rubio AND block any subsequent attempts at amnesty, but if you all want to make your bed with Cruz, you will get Trump, and that means, you will get HRC.

The only saving grace is that by Trump winning, it probably forestalls a third party run, which we all know Trump would do. So maybe that will keep the election within 5-6 points.

Posted by: Martian Wonder at February 24, 2016 11:23 AM (hxoxN)

82 Donated to Cruz -want Cruz - Carson has to get out
How do we get Cruz across the finish line?

Used to have those nightmares one night I stopped running just said you can have me - no more running nightmares

But now we are living in one

Posted by: tops at February 24, 2016 11:23 AM (p5xLT)

83 No offense, but the American people has been repeatedly electing open border politicians. Why, suddenly, would they turn against it now? Yes, I realize the Whore of Babylon has 35%-40% of the Republican primary vote, but those aren't winning numbers, even were they to translate to the general election.

Posted by: Prof. Fido, Ph. D. at February 24, 2016 11:23 AM (dneTB)

84 ace, Never lose your voice.
ever.

Posted by: willow at February 24, 2016 11:23 AM (L1+sh)

85 21
I'm very disappointed that Cruz hasn't made a harder, more direct link between illegal immigration and the economy.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at February 24, 2016 11:13 AM (JxMoP)



Cruz has not the best record on immigration either for Joe Worker.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 24, 2016 11:24 AM (t2KH5)

86 The missing children are Hot Air's missing commenters.

They are now attacking you. With weapons of your own masochistic choosing.

Your hour is up.




That'll be $300.00
Same time next week.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 24, 2016 11:24 AM (JWzxO)

87 So...we all have been watching this show for the past twelve months. So have all of the paid observers and commentators. Does anybody know exactly how Trump happened to become The Man to Beat?

The usual experts seem to have no idea how this came about.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Sponsor of the 2016 Trump of Doom Tour! at February 24, 2016 11:24 AM (hLRSq)

88 Don't buy the hype. Rubio is not a viable candidate.

Choose Cruz.

====

Well, its politics. Gotta make the ask. I get it. Not gonna help.

Posted by: Bigby's Fistful o' Doom at February 24, 2016 11:24 AM (3ZtZW)

89 No body is reporting anything on the policies of the candidates. It's all stop trump!!!11!!!! 24/7.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 24, 2016 11:24 AM (iQIUe)

90 That's when the aliens are doing their probing.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale inc. at February 24, 2016 11:21 AM (m3iiU)
_____________________________________________Is that why my ass hurts?

Posted by: Scully at February 24, 2016 11:24 AM (aRUb8)

91 i honestly don't know where the party got this idea that we exist to
pound the American middle class and working class into dust.


Management Blockhead 101 - if you can't raise revenues lower costs.

Posted by: DaveA at February 24, 2016 11:24 AM (DL2i+)

92 It seems to me that Republicans are making immigration their hill to die on.
Doesn't matter how conservative the candidates are on other issues, it's immigration or nothing.

I used to feel this way until about 10 days ago, with the passing of Justice Scalia (sp). Now my worries have shifted to the Second Amendment, to the First Amendment, to property rights, to massive federal overreach into a citizen's daily life.

Okay, so Rubio is soft on immigration. Is Rubio more likely than say, Hillary, to appoint a SCOTUS judge that will vote for firearms confiscation?
Is Rubio more likely than Bernie to federalize health care, turning the best health care system into DMV?

Should all of these issues take a backseat to illegal immigration? I don't think so.


Posted by: Mike at February 24, 2016 11:24 AM (ISxUB)

93 Every reporter everywhere should be telling him to
quit talking about his fucking primary poll numbers, and insist he talk
about what he will do to beat her.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at February 24, 2016 11:20 AM


Does "every reporter everywhere" do that with Cruzer or Dondi? Hell, does ANY reporter ask Shrillery any question that would require thought or a shred of honesty on her part?

I didn't think so.

Posted by: MrScribbler at February 24, 2016 11:25 AM (D+xyy)

94 Fyi: I easily best children armed with hockey sticks and longbows

Posted by: Crossbows at February 24, 2016 11:25 AM (87y4e)

95 I get the anger-- but the guy is not a conservative, and supporting him is not a reasoned position, but an emotional one.

If you dismiss out of hand the reasons why people are supporting Trump, you are doomed to many surprises this election year.

"Why is he winning?! There's no reason why they should support him!"

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 24, 2016 11:25 AM (1D4Ef)

96 I can't believe I ate the whole thing.

You ate it, Ralph.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 24, 2016 11:25 AM (/tuJf)

97 >>>ace, Never lose your voice.
ever.

well what it meant in the dream, what he was saying (lying), was that he wanted it exactly my own words because a paraphrase would "lose my voice" (this is an editor's catchphrase, you don't want to edit away the author's voice).

but he thought i had kidnapped these kids.

hey, i'm the one that FOUND THOSE KIDS YOU STUPID FUCK

Posted by: ace at February 24, 2016 11:26 AM (dciA+)

98 Does anybody know exactly how Trump happened to become The Man to Beat?

Said things that other people are afraid to say, and bypassed the media's controls.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 24, 2016 11:26 AM (oVJmc)

99 The children in the coffins are the GOPe. You thought the party had been kidnapped from their base. Now you know they murdered their base.


I'm not sure how the cigar fits though.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at February 24, 2016 11:26 AM (evdj2)

100 Posted by: eleven at February 24, 2016 11:23 AM (qUNWi)

That was pretty good.

Posted by: @votermom at February 24, 2016 11:26 AM (cbfNE)

101 Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Sponsor of the 2016 Trump of Doom Tour! at February 24, 2016 11:24 AM (hLRSq)

I believe he made Megan Kelly cry. Solid path to victory and a campaign platform no one thought about.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 24, 2016 11:26 AM (wCLLY)

102 Do bad words like 'sh¡t' get comments ash-canned?

Posted by: John P. Squibob at February 24, 2016 11:26 AM (DQZLr)

103 Petunia needs to show up and explain to us all the many important health benefits of a Marco Rubio nomination.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 24, 2016 11:26 AM (sl+zA)

104 I continue to maintain that we can win with Rubio AND block any subsequent attempts at amnesty,



How? Show your work.
Don't forget to include him being beholden to the money men and GOPe.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 24, 2016 11:26 AM (JWzxO)

105 I think it means you have a thing for Mark Ambinder.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 24, 2016 11:26 AM (oVJmc)

106 Worst dreams I've ever had were when I was on a pill to prevent malaria (forget the name) - vivid, technicolor dreams, like yuuuuge neon jellyfish attacking me underwater. Had a colleague who dreamed he was on fire (was taking same pills for int'l work trips). *shivers*

Posted by: Lizzy


Lariam (Mefloquine)

It was at one time connected with psychotic breaks.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 24, 2016 11:26 AM (Qy3YA)

107 27
Running out of tax dollars to pay for massive government requires more
tax payers in the system. Hellloooooo amnesty. Sign here for a SSN.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 24, 2016 11:13 AM (wCLLY)


All opening the border will do is place more burden on the system because 75% of them will go on welfare and add nothing but subtract a lot.


This about two things (1) Voters for Democrats and (2) Cheap labor for chicken factories and farms

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 24, 2016 11:27 AM (t2KH5)

108 those kids are just there in that house whose location i do not know and cannot find again.

but they're there. and they're savage little monsters.

Posted by: ace at February 24, 2016 11:27 AM (dciA+)

109 The two main dream theories are

1) it's your Freudian subconscious telling you what your inner workings really mean; or

ii) it's the brain's way of purging stray thought matter, like clearing out cache and all those stupid files that don't mean anything so your brain won't be such a twat in the morning.

I hew to theory B, because I'd had for my dreams to have meaning.

I'm always about to get the girl, I'll have a hand down her pants, then I leave the room and all of a sudden it's a different house in a different place and I can't find my car, someone stole my car, and why can't I get back to the ...


I've said too much.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at February 24, 2016 11:27 AM (1xUj/)

110
ace, Never lose your voice.
ever.

Posted by: willow at February 24, 2016 11:23 AM


REEEEEE-CO-LAAAAAAAAA!

Posted by: MrScribbler at February 24, 2016 11:27 AM (D+xyy)

111 ace yes i know, he was trying to tag and bag you.
I'm going to only blackmail you later.

see that is way way more kind.

Posted by: willow at February 24, 2016 11:27 AM (L1+sh)

112
We want 2% above the line.


Or else.


Posted by: Children in Coffins with Longbows and Hockey Sticks at February 24, 2016 11:27 AM (0cMkb)

113 Does anybody know exactly how Trump happened to become The Man to Beat?



The usual experts seem to have no idea how this came about.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Sponsor of the 2016 Trump of Doom Tour! at February 24, 2016 11:24 AM (hLRSq)
___________________________________________
Manufactured Consent.

Posted by: Gnome Chompsky at February 24, 2016 11:27 AM (aRUb8)

114
The couple who adopted the brainiac who got them bludgeoned to death in bed - she went on to use her inheritance to buy bulk cocaine for sale with her new loser bf. They were arrested and she was sentenced to 30 mos in prison. She was let out after 10 months bc she gave birth and 7 months later she was arrested again when her suv was used in several crimes. So, she's in prison, has a daughter who will be 2 y/o when she gets out, and if there is any money left from her dead parents, she'll blow thru that, too, in no time flat.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 24, 2016 11:28 AM (iQIUe)

115 ace, Never lose your voice.
ever.

well what it meant in the dream, what he was saying (lying), was that he wanted it exactly my own words because a paraphrase would "lose my voice" (this is an editor's catchphrase, you don't want to edit away the author's voice).

but he thought i had kidnapped these kids.

hey, i'm the one that FOUND THOSE KIDS YOU STUPID FUCK
Posted by: ace



So, what I am hearing you say, is that your mother was mean to you.
-S Freud

Posted by: rickb223 at February 24, 2016 11:28 AM (JWzxO)

116 in fact imma just gonna save that post forever.

(aw hug ace)

i know it was a chtty dream.

but just a dream.

Posted by: willow at February 24, 2016 11:28 AM (L1+sh)

117 Furthermore, if the powers that be actually does want open borders, wouldn't they deliberately try to keep this hidden, so that, in the event he wins, there might be an understanding between him and them?

I just feel this "Rubio supports amnesty!" is one of those arguments that sounds damning in our echo chamber, but that won't make much difference in the general election, like the Dems claiming that Candidate Soandso supporting waterboarding will *surely* sink them.

Posted by: Prof. Fido, Ph. D. at February 24, 2016 11:28 AM (dneTB)

118 [
All opening the border will do is place more burden on the system because 75% of them will go on welfare and add nothing but subtract a lot.


Even low-end workers will contribute little and cost more. The benefit will go to the employers who get more workers cheaper, and pass the burden on to you.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 24, 2016 11:28 AM (oVJmc)

119 The fear of kids in your dream mean you're homosexual, the scary house means you are afraid of your homosexuality, and Marc Ambinder is a symbol of your homosexual attraction to Marc Ambinder.

It's all very simple.

Posted by: A Psychiatrist at February 24, 2016 11:29 AM (dciA+)

120 Listen, you fucking wacko bird, I've had just about enough of you and your racist crazy talk about immigration. Rubio's the nominee, and you WILL vote for him. Got it?

Posted by: John McCain at February 24, 2016 11:29 AM (7Kbxu)

121 "I floated the idea that I could get behind Rubio if he made one promise:
that he would not attempt any sort of legalization until after he had worked dilligently to secure the border for three years"

He said that pretty much on O'Reilly. What I don't trust is, he will say "border is secure!" when it isn't and then go forward with amnesty. And amnesty is the result of his plan. When you say you will do background checks and make people learn English before they get that green card -- that's another instance of giving government a job you KNOW it cannot do just to push the issue along. Who the hell is going to do background checks and teach English to 12 million people!!

http://tinyurl.com/gm8zu8f

Posted by: PJ at February 24, 2016 11:29 AM (cHuNI)

122 16 The thing is, what needs to be done on illegal immigration is already within the executive's powers: Enforce The Law. Congress need to nothing at all to get what we want. To predicate ENFORCING THE LAW on whether Congress is amenable to NEW LAWS is just ridiculous.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at February 24, 2016 11:12 AM (evdj2)

-------------------

I don't know if it is within the executive's power, but we need more ICE agents.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 24, 2016 11:29 AM (LXJ1e)

123 Posted by: Lizzy at February 24, 2016 11:23 AM (NOIQH)

Fansidar?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 24, 2016 11:29 AM (Zu3d9)

124 I think it's over, but I can at least understand the electability argument with Rubio. The guy is a gifted politician. The Gang of 8 is when I soured on him


But I would eventually support any of the Republicans because of Scalia and the Supreme Court, but Ted Cruz would have been absolutely destroyed in a General Election, so the "purity" of his positions means spit to me.

He's simply a piss poor politician, I would cringe every time he opened his mouth

Posted by: Targus at February 24, 2016 11:29 AM (6ejxM)

125 sure, blame the children.

poor tots

Posted by: willow at February 24, 2016 11:30 AM (L1+sh)

126 Ace from this thread:

8 i honestly don't know where the party got this idea that we exist to pound the American middle class and working class into dust.



Posted by: ace at February 24, 2016 11:09 AM (dciA+)


Me from the last thread:


732 "All Americans deserve the chance to succeed. Those who went to Ivy League schools or have political connections should not be advocating policies that hurt Americans who did not have those wonderful advantages. It isn't right - in fact it is downright mean to do so. No matter if that citizen didn't finish high school, no matter what family they come from, all Americans should have the opportunity to succeed and the American government should assist these citizens in succeeding instead of being used as a weapon against them!"


Now - are there any presidential candidates out there saying anything like that? And if so, how are those candidates faring this year?

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Sponsor of the 2016 Trump of Doom Tour! at February 24, 2016 11:30 AM (hLRSq)

127 This is not true. It's pointless to try to continue and talk to you, because you have made up your mind. But know this, in the opinion of those of us who have researched the positions of the candidates, they all have the exact same policy. And if you are okay with one, you are okay with them all. And saying this over and over does not change one thing about the reality of the situation.

Donald Trump is going to win anyway. And he is going to win the Whitehouse. But Marco Rubio has a very solid plan, more laid out than anyone else admits, which is why he is attacked because he dares to tell you the truth. You just can't handle the truth.

Posted by: petunia at February 24, 2016 11:30 AM (VoCyE)

128 but they're there. and they're savage little monsters.

Posted by: ace


Beautiful, aren't they?

Posted by: The Burning Times at February 24, 2016 11:30 AM (87y4e)

129
Itz on, bitchez!!!111!!!!

Posted by: Children in Laundry Baskets with Crossbows and Tennis Rackets at February 24, 2016 11:30 AM (0cMkb)

130
The Irish have a long and honorable history in America.

The first of us got here clinging to the "Mayflower".

Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at February 24, 2016 11:13 AM (bpn7O)







They were told the Mayflower was merchantman with a shipment of whisky.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 24, 2016 11:30 AM (HolZ7)

131 All opening the border will do is place more burden on the system because 75% of them will go on welfare and add nothing but subtract a lot.



Exactly. How anyone thinks that someone who doesn't speak the language is going to come here and get some high paying job and contribute $$$ is beyond me.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 24, 2016 11:30 AM (JWzxO)

132 I just feel this "Rubio supports amnesty!" is one of those arguments that sounds damning in our echo chamber, but that won't make much difference in the general election, like the Dems claiming that Candidate Soandso supporting waterboarding will *surely* sink them.


This is what I was trying to say.... Those around me aren't as in love with trump or Cruz as others are.....

Me personally, I don't "love" any of them but I sure as hell will vote for whoever gets the Rep. nod....

Posted by: donna at February 24, 2016 11:30 AM (/dSsq)

133 >>>lay back down fall asleep and resume the freakin nightmare!

I get that sometimes from difficult programming problems. I think about the problem all day. Then, when I go to sleep, I dream about it. I get so tense, I wake up. Then I go back to sleep, and to the same damn dream.

Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at February 24, 2016 11:30 AM (bpn7O)

134 I wound up having to escape the limo by jumping out of it while it was moving.

What does the DEA think of the "spice"?

Posted by: DaveA at February 24, 2016 11:31 AM (DL2i+)

135 Does anybody know exactly how Trump happened to become The Man to Beat?

I don't know a single person who supports him.

Posted by: Pauline Kael at February 24, 2016 11:31 AM (sl+zA)

136 children of the cornish

Posted by: willow at February 24, 2016 11:31 AM (L1+sh)

137
"Is that why my ass hurts?-----Scully"

(smiles)

Posted by: Probie Aliens at February 24, 2016 11:31 AM (m3iiU)

138 Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at

grr i hate that.

Posted by: willow at February 24, 2016 11:31 AM (L1+sh)

139 Fansidar?

===

NO GAME OF THRONES SPOILERS!!1!

Posted by: Bigby's Fistful o' Doom at February 24, 2016 11:32 AM (3ZtZW)

140 No Republican except Jeb would have attempted any Amnesty. That should be common sense after seeing how Trump could go in and have them tossed in their own primary over that issue.

You could make the case that some would just put window dressing on the issue, but none of them were going to sacrifice their Presidency over getting an Amnesty deal through

Posted by: Targus at February 24, 2016 11:32 AM (6ejxM)

141 Posted by: Children in Laundry Baskets with Crossbows and Tennis Rackets at February 24, 2016 11:30 AM (0cMkb)

Posted by: @votermom at February 24, 2016 11:32 AM (cbfNE)

142 Posted by: Targus at February 24, 2016 11:23 AM (6ejxM)

That's not flip flopping. He still holds those similar positions though his numbers have been adjusted as newer information obtained. If you don't like Cruz's detailed plan regard to immigration , both legal and illegal , and you are a single issue voter, then don't vote for him. I respect that.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 24, 2016 11:32 AM (dwNYN)

143 There isn't a promise a politician can make in any exchange for amnesty that any conservative should believe.

It's the same con job they pulled in '86 and '96. It's always a lie.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 24, 2016 11:32 AM (Qy3YA)

144 I don't know if it is within the executive's power, but we need more ICE agents.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 24, 2016 11:29 AM (LXJ1e)


Is anyone actually enforcing the southern border any more, or are they just waving them on though?

Posted by: OregonMuse at February 24, 2016 11:32 AM (0IYtm)

145 This must be an imposter, as I assume of any post by "ace" before 3pm.

Posted by: wte9 at February 24, 2016 11:33 AM (xYr9U)

146 Ace,

I get your Cruz love but then again, I don't. He's never going to win. He's too unlikeable. Plus, this election isn't about ideology; it's about squashing the Democrats.

It's time to do as I did: crawl onto the Trump bandwagon. Do it now, it's less painful than later. It's like ripping off a band-aid.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at February 24, 2016 11:33 AM (eXTZt)

147 man, my dreams are way too boring

Posted by: Feh at February 24, 2016 11:33 AM (ULAZq)

148 >>Lariam (Mefloquine) It was at one time connected with psychotic breaks.

Yes - it was Lariam!!
Never again.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 24, 2016 11:33 AM (NOIQH)

149 man, my dreams are way too boring
Posted by: Feh




Pro tip: Bath salts.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 24, 2016 11:33 AM (JWzxO)

150 People are supporting Trump because of one issue - immigration. Which is why I believe making immigration the litmus test on choosing a candidate is misguided, and will probably lead to a President Hillary.

I am not for amnesty. But I don't think the GOP base will win on this issue. So let's talk about the things we can get - a secure border, e-verify, for example. As the late great Ronald Reagan once said, "It's better to get 70% of what you want than nothing." With President Hillary, you'll get nothing.

Posted by: Mike at February 24, 2016 11:34 AM (ISxUB)

151 After building the yuuge wall I'll also make Canada pay for children armed with crossbows and hockey sticks to secure the northern border.

It'll be really classy!

Posted by: The Donald at February 24, 2016 11:34 AM (87y4e)

152 They got it from their girlfriends at the COC.

Posted by: Geoffrey at February 24, 2016 11:34 AM (1RQsP)

153 are bath salts a type of meth
or a whole new genre to themselves?

Posted by: willow at February 24, 2016 11:34 AM (L1+sh)

154 I just feel this "Rubio supports amnesty!" is one of those arguments
that sounds damning in our echo chamber, but that won't make much
difference in the general election,
==========

Hmmm.

If only there was a candidate who made opposition to amnesty the center of his campaign so we could test this.
Especially interesting would be his appeal to non-traditional Republicans.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 24, 2016 11:35 AM (fQ/0p)

155 sure, blame the children.

poor tots



They're orphans now.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at February 24, 2016 11:35 AM (evdj2)

156 Fansidar?

-
Wasn't that the horrible movie starring Olivia Newton John and Gene Kelly?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 24, 2016 11:35 AM (Nwg0u)

157 128 but they're there. and they're savage little monsters.

Posted by: ace

Beautiful, aren't they?
Posted by: The Burning Times at February 24, 2016 11:30 AM (87y4e)


Is Ace's middle name Nostradamus?

Posted by: John P. Squibob at February 24, 2016 11:36 AM (DQZLr)

158 are bath salts a type of meth or a whole new genre to themselves?



I believe a whole new genre.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 24, 2016 11:36 AM (JWzxO)

159 Grump. in the same line as the menendez brothers.

Posted by: willow at February 24, 2016 11:36 AM (L1+sh)

160 So
on Super Tuesday we find out how Trump fares among Republican voters without help from crossover democrats?

Does it make any difference?

Posted by: Grimm the Dark at February 24, 2016 11:36 AM (dNQzS)

161 ok, rick.

Posted by: willow at February 24, 2016 11:36 AM (L1+sh)

162 Petunia, here is a little token of my appreciation for your considerable contribution to higher intellectual consideration in this blog.

http://goo.gl/YUSNgy

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at February 24, 2016 11:36 AM (xWW96)

163
If only there was a candidate who made opposition to amnesty the center of his campaign so we could test this.
Especially interesting would be his appeal to non-traditional Republicans.
Posted by: RoyalOil at February 24, 2016 11:35 AM (fQ/0p)


To Me that's the only reason Trump has a following... I'm waiting for some more "ideas" from Him....

Posted by: donna at February 24, 2016 11:36 AM (/dSsq)

164 ...I got two turntables AND a microphone...

Posted by: Beck at February 24, 2016 11:36 AM (INxoa)

165 Ignore the naysayers, Ace. I love Curz.

Did you hear that Perry had the charges thrown out? There are 2 dissents by the nasty lefty judges on the court tho.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 24, 2016 11:37 AM (iQIUe)

166 150 With President Hillary, you'll get nothing.


Posted by: Mike at February 24, 2016 11:34 AM (ISxUB)

That is the same thing you get with the Republicans - nothing

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 24, 2016 11:37 AM (t2KH5)

167 135 Does anybody know exactly how Trump happened to become The Man to Beat?

He got himself on the same side as the majority of Americans concerning the one issue they care about the most.

Posted by: OregonMuse at February 24, 2016 11:37 AM (0IYtm)

168 "Marco Rubio has a very solid plan, more laid out
than anyone else admits, which is why he is attacked because he dares to
tell you the truth. You just can't handle the truth."

Posted by: petunia at February 24, 2016 11:30 AM (VoCyE)

Bravo!

No...seriously. This is really good stuff. I love the appeal to reason followed quickly by the hint of conspiracy and the fear of reality.

Beautiful trolling.

Ace, may we have a Trolling Hall of Fame? Because I nominate this.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 24, 2016 11:37 AM (Zu3d9)

169 Donald Trump is all the proof you'll need. The GOP congress, with or without Rubio, isn't going anywhere near amnesty anytime soon. It was blocked before, it will be blocked again, but that won't be necessary because no one has the appetite to take it up. Yeah, the establishment may feel like Rubio and others owe it to them, but politicians always fear the group that threatens them the most, and right now, that's the base. And that's a good thing.

Posted by: Martian Wonder at February 24, 2016 11:37 AM (hxoxN)

170 I am not for amnesty. But I don't think the GOP base will win on this issue. So let's talk about the things we can get - a secure border, e-verify, for example. As the late great Ronald Reagan once said, "It's better to get 70% of what you want than nothing." With President Hillary, you'll get nothing.
Posted by: Mike


No, but it's something concrete that people can latch on to.

Trump will basically be running an independent "America First" campaign on trade and immigration and it will get voters that normally don't vote Republican.

The stale playbook that we've been running for the last 30 years would have likely come up short anyway, we need a new coalition.

Posted by: Targus at February 24, 2016 11:37 AM (6ejxM)

171 I have this recurring dream where Sigmund Freud keeps offering me salami.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 24, 2016 11:37 AM (oVJmc)

172 I think the coffin kids were dream acters who turned out to be MS-13.
Limo guy was Trump.
Longbows are just artistic license.

Posted by: Roland THTG at February 24, 2016 11:37 AM (QM5S2)

173 164 ...I got two turntables AND a microphone...

Posted by: Beck at February 24, 2016 11:36 AM (INxoa)


__________________________________________

You're a loser, baby.

Posted by: NotCoach at February 24, 2016 11:37 AM (rsudF)

174 I used to have these dreams where there were monsters or whatever coming after me, and I had an axe. But when I tried to swing it, the head always spun on the handle so it was facing the ground. When I tried to swing it it spun like a weathervane so the blade faced away from what I swung it at.

And that was the point at which those dreams turned into running dreams.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 24, 2016 11:37 AM (xuouz)

175 What difference does this make? Rubio, like many of his ilk, will lie through his teeth and do what he feels like once in office.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at February 24, 2016 11:38 AM (PMGbu)

176 Meanwhile, Trump is the only candidate that loses to Hillary in the head-to-head polls for the general election.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html

Posted by: db at February 24, 2016 11:38 AM (1efdY)

177 snickers at maddog

Posted by: willow at February 24, 2016 11:38 AM (L1+sh)

178 Posted by: petunia at February 24, 2016 11:30 AM (VoCyE)

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHH!

Posted by: Dondi from Miami at February 24, 2016 11:38 AM (INxoa)

179 I dream about DC being a smoking ruin, politicians running for their lives from the Capitol, clutching papers, pee running down their creased pantlegs, and inside, calm sober men and women in jeans and boots covered in horseshit are passing legislation that dissolves ACA, a huge array of federal agencies, and so on, and at the center of it all is Hillary, who has been tied to a chair under citizens' arrest, screeching about how she'll get even with everyone and that they'll never get away with prosecuting Obama for high treason, either

I wake up once I realize someone has been pouring 21 year old bourbon over my head

Posted by: Feh at February 24, 2016 11:38 AM (ULAZq)

180 You must treat me with kindness! The Massachusetts Dept. of Wildlife invited me!

Posted by: rattlesnake, attempting to bite you at February 24, 2016 11:39 AM (IDHFk)

181 we are back into the same circular arguments, time to go back to book before the flame wars start.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 24, 2016 11:39 AM (t2KH5)

182 db

in other words, a dead heat

Posted by: Feh at February 24, 2016 11:39 AM (ULAZq)

183 A major post by ace before noon, and a good one it is.
Immigration is the number one issue this election, and has been since 2005, when Rs decided to go full amnesty
.

That issue was begat the precursor of the Tea Party.
That issue is what made conservatives mad enough to stay home and allow a democrat wave sweep into the house and senate.

10 years later, it is the issue that could be handled easily, but isn't. Both parties would rather fight over the issue than solve it, especially the "business wing of the two-party uniparty". Executive action and congressional inaction have created a lawless atmosphere where democrat policies are in effect without a bill being passed, so they aren't in a hurry to enact legislation unless it involves absolute capitulation by the Rs.

Enter Marco Rubio.
He should be pressed into specificity on this issue, but won't be.
It's much easier to avoid all the issues completely and have the debate devolve into name calling matches and "lets you and him fight" debacles.

Bread and circuses, while Rome burns.
Are you not entertained?

Oh, great post ace, and done without so much as a mention of Lord Humongous.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 24, 2016 11:39 AM (kKHcp)

184 Marco Rubio has a very solid plan, more laid out
than anyone else admits, which is why he is attacked because he dares to
tell you the truth. You just can't handle the truth.

Posted by: petunia at February 24, 2016 11:30 AM (VoCyE)


Mario Rubio ordered the Code Red!

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 24, 2016 11:39 AM (oVJmc)

185 I had a worse nightmare...I woke up and America was still there,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Posted by: saf at February 24, 2016 11:40 AM (qKiBT)

186 It's like those scenes in movies where the guy gets shot and he's shot up so bad that he doesn't even have the wherewithal to fall down because his body hasn't registered it so he kind of stands there with a stunned look on his face. That's the Cruz campaign.

Cruz is Huckabee and Santorum. It's over. He can broker an exit, but all that's left is an exit.

Time to get on board with Trump and steamroll Mario once and for all.

Posted by: Steven at February 24, 2016 11:40 AM (gcO0q)

187 176 Meanwhile, Trump is the only candidate that loses to Hillary in the head-to-head polls for the general election.


And this is what worries Me.... I know it's early, but I haven't found anyone of my Family or Friends who like and will back Him.... I seem to be living in a different World or something... Maybe too narrow a World to see the big picture...

Posted by: donna at February 24, 2016 11:40 AM (/dSsq)

188 180 You must treat me with kindness! The Massachusetts Dept. of Wildlife invited me!
Posted by: rattlesnake, attempting to bite you at February 24, 2016 11:39 AM (IDHFk)



Mmmmmm. Come on over here closer to the hot butter and garlic buddy.

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at February 24, 2016 11:40 AM (xWW96)

189 The good news for Ace is that if he does lose his voice, it's looking more and more likely that Trump will be the next President, and he does a pretty darn good written Trump impression.

Wait, did I say that was the GOOD news?

Posted by: filbert at February 24, 2016 11:40 AM (s5o+q)

190 Is 'petunia' just another sock for 'begonia'?

Posted by: OregonMuse at February 24, 2016 11:40 AM (0IYtm)

191 little off topic
but
since ace is off twitter would love to hear his thoughts on all the swells mocking trump for embracing non-college educated voters

Posted by: nora at February 24, 2016 11:41 AM (Trq86)

192 "If you don't cough up, don't complain."

FYNQ.

Posted by: nip at February 24, 2016 11:41 AM (r73Jl)

193 >>... You just can't handle the truth.



You are a delight! Never stop trolling. Or do.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 24, 2016 11:41 AM (NOIQH)

194 68
The nightmares where you can't move are night terrors - think it's because it happens during the part of your sleep cycle where you are sorta paralyzed.----Lizzy

That's when the aliens are doing their probing.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale inc. at February 24, 2016 11:21 AM (m3iiU)

Sometimes I suffer from a condition in which I wake up while still paralyzed from dreaming. It's a scary thing. (There's a proper name for this, I'm just too lazy to look it up.)

Ace, dreaming about dead children means you're concerned about your responsibilities or else you feel you need to release some childish thing and take up an adult frame of mind. Or else the aliens planted that dream in your head because they're assholes. Either interpretation could be valid.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at February 24, 2016 11:41 AM (RD7QR)

195 The more I see of Cruz the more I like him. The more I see of Trump, the less. Dondi is the establishment's towel boy. Carson has stayed the same. Lou Dobbs went on a rant about establishment picks last night that was pretty good.

Posted by: mustbequantum at February 24, 2016 11:41 AM (MIKMs)

196 Have you seen this yet?

"I didn't run for office to tear apart other Republicans"

http://hotair.com/?p=3894832

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 24, 2016 11:41 AM (8PbKi)

197 When I first started taking BP pills my dreams got very dull.

After a while they came back to life but they've never been as awesome as they used to be.

Posted by: eleven at February 24, 2016 11:41 AM (qUNWi)

198 donna, most Catholics tend not to like Trump

in my view, this is a big problem

Posted by: Feh at February 24, 2016 11:41 AM (ULAZq)

199 Oh, and I forgot to add... #AlwaysTheVictim

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 24, 2016 11:41 AM (8PbKi)

200 so my reoccuring dream, is of course the whole shtupid man chasing me and my children through the house.
of course he was hiding in the stupid basment, i mean of Course! aren't we told that?

anyway we are hiding here and there for hours. sliding trying to figure out how to get outside.

He jumps us in the upstairs bedroom after i thought we'd lost him (of course)

so i wake up panting and crying.
so i finally go back to sleep. and the children and i are outside running towards a high back wall.
as soon as i get to the wall i freeze, and cannot figure out which child to throw over the wall to save. than i wake up

Posted by: willow at February 24, 2016 11:41 AM (L1+sh)

201 >>>They were told the Mayflower was merchantman with a shipment of whisky.

And boy, were we pissed.

Later on, many of us moved to western Pennsylvania so we could distill without let or hindrance. We rebelled after Washington taxed out liquor.

We take that shit seriously.

Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at February 24, 2016 11:42 AM (bpn7O)

202 >>Is 'petunia' just another sock for 'begonia'?

Thought begonia was a sock; petunia is a gift from Hot Air.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 24, 2016 11:42 AM (NOIQH)

203 I like that someone calls my preferred candidate a Huckabee/Santorum and then wants me to get on board with his candidate. Don't wait up.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 24, 2016 11:42 AM (dwNYN)

204 Posted by: db at February 24, 2016 11:38 AM (1efdY)

Perhaps you should find an argument that appeals to the people you are trying to convince and not one that just appeals to you.


Unless you have given up trying to convince them and are just going to cling bitterly to your polls and opinion columns.

NTTAWWT

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Sponsor of the 2016 Trump of Doom Tour! at February 24, 2016 11:42 AM (hLRSq)

205 Meanwhile, Trump is the only candidate that loses to Hillary in the head-to-head polls for the general election.


And this is what worries Me.... I know it's early, but I haven't found anyone of my Family or Friends who like and will back Him.... I seem to be living in a different World or something... Maybe too narrow a World to see the big picture...
Posted by: donna at February 24, 2016 11:40 AM (/dSsq)


Trump, warts and all, will make Hillary look exactly like the clueless, no-talent buffoonish crook she really is once he turns his full rhetorical arsenal on her.

He'll have her sputtering. And Hil doesn't sputter well.

OK, now I'M having nightmares.

Posted by: filbert at February 24, 2016 11:42 AM (s5o+q)

206 Meanwhile, Trump is the only candidate that loses to Hillary in the head-to-head polls for the general election.



The last several polls I've seen have shown Trump narrowly leading Hillary.

Some of those composites throw in partisan polls like PPP that are worthless.

Regardless, all of them are basically within the margin of error, and I still contend many Republicans will come home with Trump facing Hillary.

Posted by: Targus at February 24, 2016 11:43 AM (6ejxM)

207 167 135 Does anybody know exactly how Trump happened to become The Man to Beat?

He got himself on the same side as the majority of Americans concerning the one issue they care about the most.

Posted by: OregonMuse at February 24, 2016 11:37 AM (0IYtm)



Plus, and this is a big plus,

the economy has been in the toilet for 8 years,

Obama has done nothing but waste money and destroy people's livelihoods-

so people without jobs or poor paying jobs are now supposed to be all open to an invasion of poor people who will make it even harder for them to find work.

plus the bonus of eating up social benefits.

Posted by: naturalfake at February 24, 2016 11:43 AM (0cMkb)

208
If people could see my dreams, they would have locked me up years ago.
A few would have made good movies tho.

Posted by: Probie Aliens at February 24, 2016 11:43 AM (m3iiU)

209 Trump is appealing to millenials. Memes, dreams, flying machines, and letting them know he doesn't need their money, he's gonna make them rich.

Lies? Could be. It ain't.

Fucking.

Socialism.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 24, 2016 11:43 AM (xuouz)

210 Is Ace's middle name Nostradamus?

Armed children wielding hoser sticks of pain
Laying in coffins where death they feign
A script of fire pours out of a bloggers brain
Finally reaching the end of this horrific quatrain

Posted by: Acestradamus at February 24, 2016 11:44 AM (87y4e)

211 190 Is 'petunia' just another sock for 'begonia'?


Posted by: OregonMuse at February 24, 2016 11:40 AM (0IYtm)

I've suspected that for a while.


Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at February 24, 2016 11:44 AM (u0lmX)

212 170 Targus, I agree with you.

Posted by: Mike at February 24, 2016 11:44 AM (ISxUB)

213 There go the people. I must follow them, for I am their leader.

Posted by: Mario at February 24, 2016 11:45 AM (bpn7O)

214 Donna ... At least in my Louisville circles ... Getting many union democrats openly talking Trump over Hillary.

I think the crossover appeal is blue-collar and working poor.

Posted by: Irony at February 24, 2016 11:45 AM (BHaRb)

215 Ace: "Too many Hispanics are simply Democrats..."

And yet, here's Trump pulling down big numbers with Hispanics. Why, it's almost as though Democrats are voting for him.

Who could have foreseen such a thing? Shocking.

Posted by: Pastafarian at February 24, 2016 11:45 AM (LqrRo)

216 Guys, guys, guys. Look at the polls. Mario is electable. Just like I was. And that turned out great.

Posted by: President Mitt at February 24, 2016 11:45 AM (0LHZx)

217 in other words, a dead heat

Posted by: Feh at February 24, 2016 11:39 AM (ULAZq)


If that makes you feel better.

Posted by: db at February 24, 2016 11:45 AM (1efdY)

218 Sorry, but no, I will not be voting for Cruz. I am going to vote for an imperfect candidate that can actually win this thing.

If the Paulbots could figure out how to game the caucauses, why can't Cruz? If someone can't run a successful campaign to get the nomination, why should be believe they would be a successful president?

Posted by: notsothoreau at February 24, 2016 11:45 AM (5HBd1)

219 Is anyone actually enforcing the southern border any more, or are they just waving them on though?
Posted by: OregonMuse at February 24, 2016 11:32 AM (0IYtm)



--------------------

Catch and release at the moment. But if we want real interior enforcement we will need more agents. I don't know if Trump can just hire 10,000 by executive fiat, move the money around etc.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 24, 2016 11:45 AM (LXJ1e)

220 Does anybody know exactly how Trump happened to become The Man to Beat?

He got himself on the same side as the majority of Americans concerning the one issue they care about the most.

Posted by: OregonMuse at February 24, 2016 11:37 AM (0IYtm)


The Media put him on the pedestal, fully expecting himself to topple off in his uniquely Trumpian manner.

He still might, of course, but it also may be a classic case of "Be Careful What You Wish For" on the part of the Media.

Posted by: filbert at February 24, 2016 11:45 AM (s5o+q)

221 Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 24, 2016 11:43 AM (xuouz)

I think you just described the Trump University slogan. Might not want to do that.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 24, 2016 11:45 AM (dwNYN)

222 My expectation of immigrating is that when the fiscal policy imploded and welfare checks start bouncing. They are going to burn these Democrat cities to the ground.

Then the good of them and the good of us will rebuild. But then I'm a dreamer.

Posted by: Shiggz at February 24, 2016 11:45 AM (G7wcY)

223 "I think the crossover appeal is blue-collar and working poor."

no doubt about that

you first need a JOB in order to argue about it

Hillary is a big fat fuck you to the working man

Posted by: Feh at February 24, 2016 11:46 AM (ULAZq)

224 Difficulty: Cruz isn't acceptable either.

I hate them all, as candidates, I'm not alone, and nothing good is coming.

Posted by: SarahW at February 24, 2016 11:46 AM (3fTXW)

225 >>>Pro tip: Bath salts.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 24, 2016 11:33 AM (JWzxO)

***

Before any make-or-break presentation.

Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at February 24, 2016 11:46 AM (bpn7O)

226 "Marco Rubio likes to keep things vague. I notice his establishment media boosters like letting him stay vague on this point."


Assume the worst. I do.


He's hiding the ball because he suspects that his views would kill his candidacy.


If only.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 24, 2016 11:46 AM (oKE6c)

227 I voted for Cruz the second day of early voting here in ETEX. I asked all my family, friends, neighbors, and shipmates to do the same. Both here and back east. I now humbly ask GOD to cast HIS deciding vote for Cruz.

Posted by: Eromero at February 24, 2016 11:47 AM (zLDYs)

228 224 Difficulty: Cruz isn't acceptable either.

I hate them all, as candidates, I'm not alone, and nothing good is coming.
Posted by: SarahW at February 24, 2016 11:46 AM (3fTXW)


Hate is a strong word, but I agree with You and have said it many times here...

Posted by: donna at February 24, 2016 11:47 AM (/dSsq)

229 Rubio... Rubio... he the guy that wouldn't run to retain his Senate seat in Florida because he pissed off his base by lying to them?

Yeah, totally electable.

Posted by: the Wizards of Smart at February 24, 2016 11:47 AM (H9MG5)

230 Posted by: notsothoreau at February 24, 2016 11:45 AM (5HBd1)

Reagan lost two primaries.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 24, 2016 11:47 AM (dwNYN)

231 Does anybody know exactly how Trump happened to become The Man to Beat?

***

Name recognition + unlimited amounts of free air time + bluster + immigration + fuck the establishment

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 24, 2016 11:47 AM (8PbKi)

232 And for all those of you who actually believe that large numbers of Hispanics, Democrats, and Democrat Hispanics will vote for Trump in the general, as they did in the primary:

Hahahahahahano.

You think amnesty and illegal immigration would have been bad under President Rubio, wait til you see what the fruits of Trump's labor, President Clinton, gives us.

Posted by: Pastafarian at February 24, 2016 11:47 AM (LqrRo)

233 I now humbly ask GOD to cast HIS deciding vote for Cruz.

He'd better have photo ID.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 24, 2016 11:47 AM (oVJmc)

234 >>>
And yet, here's Trump pulling down big numbers with Hispanics. Why, it's almost as though Democrats are voting for him.

rolling eyes. Those are Hispanic REPUBLICANS.

Jesus God Almighty, can we at least stop with this sort of stupid shit where we pretend that Hispanic REPUBLICANS = All Hispanics (who are 70-30 Democrat)?

Can some of you up your games a little bit? This sort of obvious thing should not need to be said.

Posted by: A Psychiatrist at February 24, 2016 11:48 AM (dciA+)

235 "If that makes you feel better."

I never feel better.

I just got news that a good friend's mother just passed away this morning. It was expected, but always difficult, especially after her father passed away seven weeks ago.

If you're imagining pollyanna, you shouldn't.

Posted by: Feh at February 24, 2016 11:48 AM (ULAZq)

236 I fully expect Trump to offer Mario the VP spot, assuming he has not already done so.

Of course, I do not make a living either advising political campaigns or analyzing them, so the above opinion and five bucks will get you a thousand-calorie coffee at St. Arbucks.

Posted by: filbert at February 24, 2016 11:48 AM (s5o+q)

237 Catch and release at the moment. But if we want real interior enforcement we will need more agents. I don't know if Trump can just hire 10,000 by executive fiat, move the money around etc.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 24, 2016 11:45 AM (LXJ1e)

______

Pen and phone baby!! Pen and phone. If Obama can say no more deportations, Trump can sure as fuck say hire 10K more border agents.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 24, 2016 11:48 AM (0LHZx)

238 Is anyone actually enforcing the southern border any more, or are they just waving them on through?

Posted by: OregonMuse at February 24, 2016 11:32 AM (0IYtm)




They're sending limos to pick them up, after they towel off, of course.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 24, 2016 11:48 AM (oKE6c)

239 233 I now humbly ask GOD to cast HIS deciding vote for Cruz.

He'd better have photo ID.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 24, 2016 11:47 AM (oVJmc)

He does, but verifying it would blind you.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at February 24, 2016 11:49 AM (RD7QR)

240 Name recognition + unlimited amounts of free air time + bluster + immigration + fuck the establishment

===

+ votes

Posted by: Bigby's Fistful o' Doom at February 24, 2016 11:49 AM (3ZtZW)

241 You can't handle the twooth!

Posted by: Bologna at February 24, 2016 11:49 AM (FkBIv)

242 Difficulty: Cruz isn't acceptable either.

I hate them all, as candidates, I'm not alone, and nothing good is coming.

****

There have been a few I've liked but the moment I sent them money their campaign ended. I am a curse.

I don't like any of the candidates now, but Cruz is beginning to grow on me.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 24, 2016 11:49 AM (8PbKi)

243 There is no one I haven't betrayed.

Trust me to secure the border first.

Posted by: Marco the Rube at February 24, 2016 11:49 AM (2bqlb)

244 Wait, was it a nightmare where you couldn't move?
Those are the worst.

Posted by: @votermom at February 24, 2016 11:16 AM (cbfNE)

I have ones where someone is shooting at me or coming at me with a knife - and I can't run. My legs won't move. Or else they're like cement and it takes every ounce of effort to run across the street.

Awful. But I've never had a nightmare due to spicy food - except in the bathroom the next day. TMI, I know.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at February 24, 2016 11:49 AM (u0lmX)

245 I figure, if Rubio's actually kept his commitment to border security, then I wouldn't mind having a political discussion on some kind of legalization.

Posted by: Ace at 11:05 AM
______

Ace, I just dont get this position. This isnt a compromise, this is simply giving up. As soon as the last illegal is legalized - something that cant be undone - Democrats (and maybe even Republicans themselves) will go to work on undoing the border security and enforcement regime that conservatives got as part of this deal.

The open borders crowd gets something tangible and secure out of this compromise and we get the promise that they will continue to uphold the new security regime and not just suddenly stop to enforce it, like so many other laws.

How is this a viable compromise?

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at February 24, 2016 11:49 AM (hcSoJ)

246 + votes
Posted by: Bigby's Fistful o' Doom at February 24, 2016 11:49 AM (3ZtZW)

***

those came after

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 24, 2016 11:49 AM (8PbKi)

247 >>>I have this recurring dream where Sigmund Freud keeps offering me salami.

...And sometime, a large, leathery, engorged sausage is just...food.

Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at February 24, 2016 11:50 AM (bpn7O)

248 236 I fully expect Trump to offer Mario the VP spot, assuming he has not already done so


Well We all know who Hillary! is gonna choose.... She was on stage with both the Texas Castro brothers the other day... Terrifying thought....

Posted by: donna at February 24, 2016 11:50 AM (/dSsq)

249 The only passion Rubio commands is a passion for the affluent voter's desire to appear reasonable to people who invite him or her to parties where they serve wine.

Posted by: Feh at February 24, 2016 11:50 AM (ULAZq)

250 I fully expect Trump to offer Mario the VP spot, assuming he has not already done so.

***

I can't imagine that Trump respects him in the least.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 24, 2016 11:50 AM (8PbKi)

251 >>Donna ... At least in my Louisville circles ... Getting many union democrats openly talking Trump over Hillary.

i'm sure there'll be some of that.

several problems:

1. How many college-educated Republicans do you LOSE?

2. Dem union workers -- economically liberal -- now being part of Trump's base, how you feeling about the Republican project to cut government and regulations?

Posted by: A Psychiatrist at February 24, 2016 11:50 AM (dciA+)

252 25 Adding just a small increase in white working class voters to the GOP vote count gives President Trump a fairly straightforward victory (thanks to the 538 "Turn Blue States Red" tool). This guy will win, no matter what his negatives are.
Posted by: MTF at February 24, 2016 11:13 AM (TxJGV)
----------------------
Let me accept your belief that Trump would get that increase in white working class votes. (I think it's a fair assumption, though not a certainty.)

How does that give him a victory if he sees an equal or greater number of white Romney voters abandon the ticket?

The sky-high negatives DO matter. For example, a Christopher Newport (usually reliable) poll of Virginia voters last week found that over 40% of normally Republican voters will not support him. They hate the guy.
Now, come November, when the screeching harridan is breathing down their necks, a good half will hold their noses and punch the R button. But the other half will not.

So much for taking Virginia.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 24, 2016 11:50 AM (T/5A0)

253 Today might be interesting. Meet up with writer who said trim the chapter. Pared 9,400 words down to 6,678. See if he shoots me for killing all his pretties.

And on the job front, another interview with Wal-Mart for Friday. I guess I over impressed the person in charge of stocking the shelves who recommended me for electronics section.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 24, 2016 11:51 AM (2yQQy)

254 i never have making love dreams. is that typical for a woman?
i hear men have them often.

Posted by: willow at February 24, 2016 11:51 AM (L1+sh)

255 224 Difficulty: Cruz isn't acceptable either.



And I WANTED to like Ted Cruz, but I am 100% convinced the guy would lose. So what utility do I get on fielding a candidate I know will lose?

I'm just amazed people can't separate their ideology from understanding how elections are won.

And even if I wanted to base my primary vote purely on some sliding scale of conservatism, Ted Cruz was just AS BAD as Marco Rubio was on Immigration

Posted by: Targus at February 24, 2016 11:51 AM (6ejxM)

256 Ace, dreaming about dead children means you're
concerned about your responsibilities or else you feel you need to
release some childish thing and take up an adult frame of mind.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at February 24, 2016 11:41 AM (RD7QR)
________________________________________________________-
Wheeewww.!..........I thought it was because they found all those "boxes" in my basement.

Posted by: John Wayne Gacey at February 24, 2016 11:51 AM (aRUb8)

257 Does Lyndsey Graham dream of being chased by sausages?

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at February 24, 2016 11:51 AM (RD7QR)

258 The day in 2006 when the idiot Bushies went full Hispandering was the day the wheels fell off the Republican cart

Posted by: TexasJew at February 24, 2016 11:52 AM (Cab6l)

259 Off alien sock

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale inc. at February 24, 2016 11:52 AM (u0kqM)

260 The coffins represent the Establishment. The children represent your betrayal of the GOPe. And the hockey sticks and long bows are a manifestation of your obsession with polls and spicy curry dishes.

Posted by: Dr. Fritz at February 24, 2016 11:52 AM (UzPAd)

261 Friends, I've said it before and I'll say it again...you've nothing to fear from a Marco Rubio presidency.

Posted by: Juan McCain at February 24, 2016 11:52 AM (INxoa)

262 "a good half will hold their noses and punch the R button. But the other half will not"

that other half is the reason this country is in the shitter

Posted by: Feh at February 24, 2016 11:53 AM (ULAZq)

263
202 >>Is 'petunia' just another sock for 'begonia'?

Thought begonia was a sock; petunia is a gift from Hot Air.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 24, 2016 11:42 AM (NOIQH)






I thought Begonia was the latest sock of cat piss lady.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 24, 2016 11:53 AM (HolZ7)

264 Ace, stop with the Cruz boosterism. You know as well as anyone that he does not have a plausible path to the nomination. None. It is not happening. His appeal is too narrow to even win the primary, let alone the general.

As much as I hate to say it, it is either give the establishment their handful of nuts with Marco the floppy eared HAL9000, or support the American worker with the wildcard Trump. It is a time for choosing. I choose the wildcard. At least it should be an interesting ride.

Posted by: tommylotto at February 24, 2016 11:53 AM (A3a8d)

265 The sky-high negatives DO matter. For example, a Christopher Newport (usually reliable) poll of Virginia voters last week found that over 40% of normally Republican voters will not support him. They hate the guy.
Now, come November, when the screeching harridan is breathing down their necks, a good half will hold their noses and punch the R button. But the other half will not.

So much for taking Virginia.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille


I think our side always has a lot of bluster, especially in the heat of battle.

Do you really think 40% of Republicans won't vote the Republican ticket? Please.

It's just trash talk because it's "their guy" or they are taking their ball home-type threats.

Posted by: Targus at February 24, 2016 11:54 AM (6ejxM)

266 257
Does Lyndsey Graham dream of being chased by sausages?

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at February 24, 2016 11:51 AM (RD7QR)

oooooh...fweakish!

Posted by: Bawney Fwank at February 24, 2016 11:54 AM (INxoa)

267 258 The day in 2006 when the idiot Bushies went full Hispandering was the day the wheels fell off the Republican cart


Let's face it, Hispanic "citizens in waiting" as obama calls them are not going away.... I don't even believe a fence will be built.... Depressing thought i know but I'm from CA.

Posted by: donna at February 24, 2016 11:54 AM (/dSsq)

268 Ace is a single-issue voter. And that issue is amnesty.
Doesn't care about abortion.
Doesn't care about gay marriage.
Cares about amnesty.
Loved Paul Ryan, until he supported amnesty.
Loved George Bush, until he supported amnesty.
The only candidates Ace likes are the anti-amnesty candidates.

Sadly, this election is going to be decided by single-issue voters like Ace.
Well, not Ace, specifically, because he's already flounced into his bedroom, slammed the door and loudly declared that he is NEVER voting for another Republican again because of (you guessed it) amnesty.

Posted by: Tralfaz at February 24, 2016 11:54 AM (BzdVM)

269 >>He's hiding the ball because he suspects that his views would kill his candidacy.

I don't think this is such a big mystery. The accepted knowledge within the GOP is that you have to run to the right in the primary, back to the middle in the general. It's tough to thread the needle because any Republican nominee will be slimed in the general as being a racist bigot if they take a tough stand on illegals.

So Rubio is doing the opposite of the usual Republican candidate, he's doing his best to lay low on this topic in the primary in the hope that if he gets the nod he will be less toxic in the general.

Problem is he does have a paper trail and he is having a difficult time hiding his record from Republican primary voters so he probably will never get to test his theory.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 24, 2016 11:54 AM (/tuJf)

270 "what utility do I get on fielding a candidate I know will lose?"

that warm feeling of self-righteousness

Posted by: Feh at February 24, 2016 11:54 AM (ULAZq)

271 Posted by: Targus at February 24, 2016 11:51 AM (6ejxM)

Better to win with a democrat in sheep's clothing than lose with a conservative. What a weird position.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 24, 2016 11:54 AM (wCLLY)

272 I'm just amazed people can't separate their ideology from understanding how elections are won.





Posted by: Targus at February 24, 2016 11:51 AM (6ejxM)

___________________________________________________I know....tell that to the Jews. They just didn't "get" it.



Posted by: Hitler at February 24, 2016 11:54 AM (aRUb8)

273 Pretty much this:
The day in 2006 when the idiot Bushies went full Hispandering was the day the wheels fell off the Republican cart
Posted by: TexasJew at February 24, 2016 11:52 AM (Cab6l)

Posted by: nora at February 24, 2016 11:55 AM (Trq86)

274 "they are taking their ball home-type threats"

so we hope

Posted by: Feh at February 24, 2016 11:55 AM (ULAZq)

275 I suspect the answer to Ace's original question is that everyone in the media already knows Mario's true position:

it's the Gang of 8 thing.

Everything since has been political posturing and window-dressing.

The real question is: how much does Rubio want to be President? I suspect the answer to that is: very, very, very much, enough to swallow what little pride, self-respect, and integrity he might once have had and sign on to the Trumpwagon . . . at the appropriate time of course.

At which time, our betters in the media will of course be united in the hosannah chorus of "The Republicans Come Together! Isn't it a beautiful thing!" before beginning the usual, standard process of ripping the GOP ticket to shreds and handing the election to the Dems.

That's the optimistic outlook.

Posted by: filbert at February 24, 2016 11:55 AM (s5o+q)

276 tralfaz, he didn't actually say that.

Posted by: willow at February 24, 2016 11:55 AM (L1+sh)

277 Lots of new nics. Many whiners. Many are not luxurious and classy. Losers!

Posted by: The Donald's Head Weasel at February 24, 2016 11:55 AM (RD7QR)

278 Why do the anti-Trumps have such a loser attitude?
It's like they have a Stockholm Syndrome relationship with their GOPe binky.


I like Cruz and have donated to him but I'm not curling up in a fetal position over his fading chance.

Some Science guy has run a projection and says very high odds Trump beats Hillary. I'm hopeful, not depressed.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 24, 2016 11:55 AM (3myMJ)

279 And even if I wanted to base my primary vote purely on some sliding scale of conservatism, Ted Cruz was just AS BAD as Marco Rubio was on Immigration



As I said last thread, coming from a border state, and seeing the effects first hand of illegal immigration, Cruz could have run away with the nom by staking out Trump's position first.
Then Trump wouldn't even be in the race.

Why didn't Cruz?

Posted by: rickb223 at February 24, 2016 11:55 AM (JWzxO)

280 Folks, remember, there's still a convention to come. That's when the real skullduggery comes out to crown the Rube.

I can't say this is all going quite as foretold, but it's certainly still on course for the Burnination of the GOP.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at February 24, 2016 11:55 AM (9krrF)

281 Does anybody know exactly how Trump happened to become The Man to Beat?

He got himself on the same side as the majority of Americans concerning the one issue they care about the most.

Posted by: OregonMuse
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OM - I have to question that. It is how Trump made headway in Republican primaries, but I am much less certain about the public at large.

I will reiterate, also, that Trump has not even pulled a majority among Republicans.

All of this is by way of being coldly (I hope) analytical of the situation. I continue to see Trump as essentially the Perot of this election. A spolier.

Perot sank Bush, Trump is doing that with the entire field. Some will cheer about that, but the disasterous consequence will be another Clinton.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 24, 2016 11:56 AM (oFSUK)

282
Rubio... Rubio... he the guy that wouldn't run to retain his Senate seat in Florida because he pissed off his base by lying to them?


There's even audio of him, during his Senate run, swearing on his mother's life that he wouldn't try to pass amnesty if he were elected. And we know how well he kept that promise.

Just another reason this little weasel should NOT be on anyone's shortlist for VP, AG, SoS or even head of the Department of Nickelfuckery.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 24, 2016 11:56 AM (X6fMO)

283 And even if I wanted to base my primary vote purely on some sliding scale of conservatism, Ted Cruz was just AS BAD as Marco Rubio was on Immigration
Posted by: Targus at February 24, 2016 11:51 AM (6ejxM)

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Shhhh!. Don't say that around here. People will go apeshit on you.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 24, 2016 11:56 AM (LXJ1e)

284 Posted by: OregonMuse at February 24, 2016 11:32 AM (0IYtm)

In TX, patrol agents from *the other side of the state* are being handed envelopes with pictures of their wives and kids and told they have the choice of their family dying or taking a pay-off. Terrifying. Especially since the federal government is also targeting *them* and not the narcos.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at February 24, 2016 11:56 AM (GDulk)

285 It's all immigration, all the time. No other issue matters.

Posted by: Amerigo Chattin at February 24, 2016 11:56 AM (drV3j)

286 Sadly, this election is going to be decided by single-issue voters like Ace.

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Are you sure about that? Seems like the nomination is being decided that way?

I will stipulate that people are complicated and voters may vote on a multiple of issues. However, bottom line, in an election that is seemingly defined by one big issue, being on the wrong-end of that issue or being an inarticulate voice on that issue because of past positions taken (i.e., Rubio and um Romney) strikes me as being pretty far behind on the 8 ball.

Posted by: SH at February 24, 2016 11:57 AM (gmeXX)

287 Ace, stop with the Cruz boosterism. You know as well as anyone that he does not have a plausible path to the nomination. None. It is not happening. His appeal is too narrow to even win the primary, let alone the general.

As much as I hate to say it, it is either give the establishment their handful of nuts with Marco the floppy eared HAL9000, or support the American worker with the wildcard Trump. It is a time for choosing. I choose the wildcard. At least it should be an interesting ride.
Posted by: tommylotto

___________________


This times a thousand

And I have been following Ace for a while, I personally think the Cruz boosterism because of "Amnesty" is intellectually dishonest considering Cruz was all aboard the same train as Rubio until just a few months ago.

Posted by: Targus at February 24, 2016 11:57 AM (6ejxM)

288 280
Folks, remember, there's still a convention to come. That's when the real skullduggery comes out to crown the Rube.



I can't say this is all going quite as foretold, but it's certainly still on course for the Burnination of the GOP.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at February 24, 2016 11:55 AM (9krrF)

CLEVELAND 2016 -- Be there!!!

Posted by: GOPe at February 24, 2016 11:57 AM (INxoa)

289 meremortal. i'm terrified. but if gop will only support the same policy as the left.
or support by funding a lefty presidents dreams in. what is there to lose?

Posted by: willow at February 24, 2016 11:57 AM (L1+sh)

290 You're all a bunch of dirty Service Term and Community Guideline violators. Or, you will be. Maybe. Probably. If you dare cross the SJW agenda rampant in shutting down free, critical, or controversial speech. At least you can't be arrested for that.

Yet.

Maybe.

You can at least be silenced by having your work censored. That's what happened to the makers of 'Chased' found out. This film, a fictional (maybe) account of Christian persecution, was removed from You Tube for "violating Community Guidelines". Because that now means "A Coddled SJW Infant didn't like this."

Go ahead and watch it at http://chasedmovie.com/

My apologies for OT, and if this has already been covered

Posted by: ichthyus arcanus at February 24, 2016 11:57 AM (LyiQq)

291 I'm so frustrated with people happily being led to their doom by the MFM and dragging me along against my will that I find myself thinking the worldwide depression and ME/European war should start now before we get hobbled by the next idiotic or treasonous set of politicians.

I know, its probably really stupidly naive to think people would make better choices even if reality ripped aside the MFM fantasy curtain which already has plenty of transparent patches but it would at least make them own their choices instead of allowing them to whine later that they were just fooled by the lying media.

Posted by: PaleRider at February 24, 2016 11:57 AM (chkUd)

292 I fully expect Trump to offer Mario the VP spot, assuming he has not already done so

He's far more likely to offer it to Bloomberg or De Blasio to attract the Dems.

Posted by: db at February 24, 2016 11:57 AM (1efdY)

293 Posted by: Tralfaz at February 24, 2016 11:54 AM (BzdVM)
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Do we have some kind of price for this guy? Dumbest comment of the thread should be worth something!

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at February 24, 2016 11:58 AM (hcSoJ)

294 It's all immigration, all the time. No other issue matters.


And there in lies the problem..Other issues do matter to people....

Posted by: donna at February 24, 2016 11:58 AM (/dSsq)

295 I can't believe that we are discussing this at all, what with the rapid sea-rise.

Posted by: Run For You Lives! at February 24, 2016 11:58 AM (oFSUK)

296 Posted by: Tralfaz at February 24, 2016 11:54 AM (BzdVM)

_______________________________________________

Amnesty is not a "single issue" anything. All other issues facing the Republic are connected to it.

Posted by: George Washington at February 24, 2016 11:58 AM (aRUb8)

297 My father in law , a lifelong republican , veteran, and conservative, has said that he just doesn't like the look of Cruz.
I'm not joking. He will not vote for Cruz (would if he were the nominee)in the primary because he feels there is something distrustful in the way Cruz looks.

How do you begin to turn something like that around? My father in law has a lifetime of experience and his instincts are to not like Cruz because of something about his nose or his hair or whatever. He just doesn't like him....

Posted by: Jen the original at February 24, 2016 11:58 AM (gOsh1)

298 My cats would never sit still for this...

http://www.ufunk.net/insolite/pitzush-puss-in-glam/

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 24, 2016 11:58 AM (2yQQy)

299 Trump will pick Sessions for VP.

Almost a sure thing.

If he does how many wounds will be healed with Cruzers that feel bad?

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 24, 2016 11:58 AM (LXJ1e)

300 I think it's probably not the best idea to tell Ace on his own blog which candidate he should support or what he should or should not write about.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 24, 2016 11:59 AM (w4NZ8)

301 Is anyone actually enforcing the southern border any more, or are they just waving them on though?


Posted by: OregonMuse at February 24, 2016 11:32 AM (0IYtm)
--I've heard that Mexico is enforcing their borders, so we have enforcement on one side of our southern border. X)

Posted by: Emmie at February 24, 2016 11:59 AM (ezXrF)

302 so will mcconell stick to his no vote on SC appt?

Posted by: willow at February 24, 2016 11:59 AM (L1+sh)

303 After amnesty, you lose on all the other issues. Because we become a one-party nation.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 24, 2016 11:59 AM (oVJmc)

304 Sadly, this election is going to be decided by single-issue voters like Ace.

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Are you sure about that? Seems like the nomination is being decided that way?

I will stipulate that people are complicated and voters may vote on a multiple of issues. However, bottom line, in an election that is seemingly defined by one big issue, being on the wrong-end of that issue or being an inarticulate voice on that issue because of past positions taken (i.e., Rubio and um Romney) strikes me as being pretty far behind on the 8 ball.

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My apologies, I misread the comment that I responding to. For some reason I read a not in that comment that does not appear. I thought he wrote this election is not going to be ....

So my comment in response was pretty much dumb.

I'll sit the next few plays out.

Posted by: SH at February 24, 2016 11:59 AM (gmeXX)

305 Marco Rubio, nice guy, he's not gonna make American great again. He's sweaty and low energy. Sad!

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 24, 2016 12:00 PM (xuouz)

306 I can't believe that we are discussing this at all, what with the rapid sea-rise.
Posted by: Run For You Lives! at February 24, 2016 11:58 AM (oFSUK)


I don't know . . . drowning the East and West coasts sounds like a pretty damned good idea out here in flyover country right now.

Posted by: filbert at February 24, 2016 12:00 PM (s5o+q)

307 295
I can't believe that we are discussing this at all, what with the rapid sea-rise.

Posted by: Run For You Lives! at February 24, 2016 11:58 AM (oFSUK)

__________________________________________________________________
I know...my feet are wet just sitting here. Oh Wait!...I pissed myself again.

Posted by: Bernie Sanders at February 24, 2016 12:00 PM (aRUb8)

308 Posted by: Tralfaz

Ruh Ro

Posted by: Astro at February 24, 2016 12:00 PM (FkBIv)

309 215

And yet, here's Trump pulling down big numbers with Hispanics. Why, it's almost as though Democrats are voting for him.

Who could have foreseen such a thing? Shocking.
Posted by: Pastafarian at February 24, 2016 11:45 AM (LqrRo)
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Do you understand that those "big numbers" are of the Republican-primary-voting Hispanics, not of the Hispanic constituency as a whole?

Those translate to squat in the general election. IMO, quite a few the 55% who DIDN'T support him, just like many of the Anglos who didn't, will not support him in the general.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 24, 2016 12:00 PM (T/5A0)

310 295 I can't believe that we are discussing this at all, what with the rapid sea-rise.
Posted by: Run For You Lives! at February 24, 2016 11:58 AM (oFSUK)

Relax, it's all hidden at the bottom of the sea.

Posted by: The Donald's Head Weasel at February 24, 2016 12:00 PM (RD7QR)

311 The day in 2006 when the idiot Bushies went full Hispandering was the day the wheels fell off the Republican cart
Posted by: TexasJew at February 24, 2016 11:52 AM (Cab6l)

You betcha. So this isn't a new issue, it's an old one that's been festering for a decade.

Some of the loudest table-pounders for Trump seem to believe they've unearthed this issue. Yes, Trumps belliscosity (did I make up a new word?) moved the Overton window on the issue, but it's always been there.

Ace's point that the GOPe likes to game the system so that the candidate that favors amnesty wins without the issue being front and center is important.

The "e" part of the party desperately wants the "electable" candidate to get the nom, without that person having to speak to the important issues.

I thank Lord Humongous for screwing up that plan, he's been useful that way.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 24, 2016 12:01 PM (kKHcp)

312 Man..., this is getting to me. I'm dropping letters and misspelling words.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 24, 2016 12:01 PM (oFSUK)

313 Rubio, Rubio, wherefore art thou Rubio?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 24, 2016 12:01 PM (Nwg0u)

314 DOn't worry about the rising sea level, the continents are thirsty like Bounty.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 24, 2016 12:01 PM (2yQQy)

315 Do you really think 40% of Republicans won't vote the Republican ticket? Please.

Posted by: Targus at February 24, 2016 11:54 AM (6ejxM)


Absolutely. They will stay home in droves just like they did for the last two "electable" Republican candidates.

Posted by: db at February 24, 2016 12:01 PM (1efdY)

316 Senator Sessions is not leaving the Senate for the VP slot. He might leave for the Supreme Court.

Posted by: tops at February 24, 2016 12:01 PM (p5xLT)

317 Trump will not pick Sessions as VP,shill.

Posted by: Geoffrey at February 24, 2016 12:01 PM (1RQsP)

318 Posted by: Targus at February 24, 2016 11:51 AM (6ejxM)

If you ever figure that out, let me know. Not issues, brains or position, they just think he's preachy and looks funny.

Yet have no problem with the orange combover who actually said he'd date his daughter if she weren't his daughter. But Cruz is the weird bird.

America. Go figure.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 24, 2016 12:02 PM (wCLLY)

319 My father in law , a lifelong republican , veteran, and conservative, has said that he just doesn't like the look of Cruz.
I'm not joking. He will not vote for Cruz (would if he were the nominee)in the primary because he feels there is something distrustful in the way Cruz looks.

How do you begin to turn something like that around? My father in law has a lifetime of experience and his instincts are to not like Cruz because of something about his nose or his hair or whatever. He just doesn't like him....
Posted by: Jen the original



And yes it may sound silly, but that sort of sentiment is widespread.


Ive even heard Cruz supporters say he has a punchable face. And that nasally voice of his.

I've heard far more vitriol from fellow Republican friends towards Ted Cruz than I have Donald Trump.

Posted by: Targus at February 24, 2016 12:02 PM (6ejxM)

320 Little mood music to go with the trolling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsnRQJxanVM

Posted by: Grimm the Dark at February 24, 2016 12:02 PM (dNQzS)

321 Trump will pick Sessions for VP.

/THWACK

Hands. Off. My. Good. Senator.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at February 24, 2016 12:02 PM (9krrF)

322 After amnesty, you lose on all the other issues. Because we become a one-party nation.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel


With all the worse parts of California, Illinois and Venezuela.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 24, 2016 12:02 PM (FkBIv)

323 I choose the wildcard. At least it should be an interesting ride.

Think of the children, think of the hair jokes.
Think of the Judges, think of the hair jokes.
Think of the foreign policy, think of the hair jokes.

Posted by: DaveA at February 24, 2016 12:03 PM (DL2i+)

324 268 Ace is a single-issue voter. And that issue is amnesty.
Doesn't care about abortion.
Doesn't care about gay marriage.
Cares about amnesty.
Loved Paul Ryan, until he supported amnesty.
Loved George Bush, until he supported amnesty.
The only candidates Ace likes are the anti-amnesty candidates.

Sadly, this election is going to be decided by single-issue voters like Ace.
Well, not Ace, specifically, because he's already flounced into his bedroom, slammed the door and loudly declared that he is NEVER voting for another Republican again because of (you guessed it) amnesty.
Posted by: Tralfaz at February 24, 2016 11:54 AM (BzdVM)

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I'd put myself in this category as well. Maybe not 100% one issue vote, but amnesty is **THE** issue for me. Beause once 20 million illegals become life long Democrat voting citizens, everything else is moot. So if you care about abortion or guns or taxes, you better fucking care about amnesty above all else.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 24, 2016 12:03 PM (0LHZx)

325 295 I can't believe that we are discussing this at all, what with the rapid sea-rise.

Posted by: Run For You Lives! at February 24, 2016 11:58 AM (oFSUK)



Surf's up!

"Coastal cities are going to be inundated." Works for me; they're liberal infested anyway.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 24, 2016 12:03 PM (oKE6c)

326 Where's an Illudium Q38 Space Modulator when you need one?

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 24, 2016 12:03 PM (2yQQy)

327 can't believe that we are discussing this at all, what with the rapid sea-rise.

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Today: The Rocky Mountains.

Tomorrow: The Rocky Islands.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 24, 2016 12:04 PM (Nwg0u)

328 Wow. There was some guy bitching at CAC on twitter and then Ace. The guy is in a full fledged meltdown.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 24, 2016 12:04 PM (iQIUe)

329 I see that rubio is not attending CPAC and he thinks that is the way to "Unite" the party and win the hearts and minds of Conservatives? Who the fuck is advising this guy?

Just got back from getting 2 more weapons permits for NJ..Gotta keep stockpiling

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 24, 2016 12:04 PM (DUoqb)

330 And yes it may sound silly, but that sort of sentiment is widespread.

yep, he's got that weaselly trial lawyer vibe. it just rubs people the wrong way, unfortunately

Posted by: brak at February 24, 2016 12:04 PM (MJuTN)

331 My father in law has a lifetime of experience and
his instincts are to not like Cruz because of something about his nose
or his hair or whatever. He just doesn't like him....

Posted by: Jen the original at February 24, 2016 11:58 AM (gOsh1)
________________________________________________________
Your father in law is mentally ill. No one who has a lifetime of "experience" would base a decision on a "feeling". Thats what 13 year old girls do.Maybe time for a check up?

Posted by: Some asshole psycologist at February 24, 2016 12:04 PM (aRUb8)

332 Do you understand that those "big numbers" are of the Republican-primary-voting Hispanics, not of the Hispanic constituency as a whole?

Those translate to squat in the general election. IMO, quite a few the 55% who DIDN'T support him, just like many of the Anglos who didn't, will not support him in the general.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille


The Hispanic vote means squat.

For the last 30 years, the Consultant Class has cared more about how Illegal Aliens that are hispanic will vote someday than actual voters.

You net a 3% increase in the white vote and that is like carrying 75% of the Hispanic vote.

And most Hispanic voters are located in states that are already decided like California and Texas.

Posted by: Targus at February 24, 2016 12:04 PM (6ejxM)

333 326 Where's an Illudium Q38 Space Modulator when you need one?
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 24, 2016 12:03 PM (2yQQy)

It's most distressing.

Posted by: The Donald's Head Weasel at February 24, 2016 12:05 PM (RD7QR)

334 Unless piaps asphyxiates on her own phlegm during a talking/coughing fit, can Cruz, Trump or Rubio beat her and her msm sycophants? If yes, then who? Cruz, unlikeable. Rubio- smarmy, Trump- (how does he get his votes)?

I haven't early voted yet, my primary vote would be a protest vote (TX won't matter), in the general, will be the anti-clinton main party candidate.

Posted by: auscolpyr at February 24, 2016 12:05 PM (suO/a)

335 DOn't worry about the rising sea level, the continents are thirsty like Bounty.
Posted by: Anna Puma
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It's those damned aquifers, hording the water. Greedy bastids.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 24, 2016 12:05 PM (oFSUK)

336 Absolutely. They will stay home in droves just like they did for the last two "electable" Republican candidates.
Posted by: db at February 24, 2016 12:01 PM (1efdY)


Urban legend. Not true. Republicans did not "stay home in droves." Democrats turned out larger than normal numbers.

How this is done is left as an exercise for the demagogues and the vote fraud artists, most of whom seem to have (D) behind their names.

Posted by: filbert at February 24, 2016 12:05 PM (s5o+q)

337 268 Ace is a single-issue voter. And that issue is amnesty.
Doesn't care about abortion.
Doesn't care about gay marriage.
Cares about amnesty.
Loved Paul Ryan, until he supported amnesty.
Loved George Bush, until he supported amnesty.
The only candidates Ace likes are the anti-amnesty candidates.

Sadly, this election is going to be decided by single-issue voters like Ace.
Well, not Ace, specifically, because he's already flounced into his bedroom, slammed the door and loudly declared that he is NEVER voting for another Republican again because of (you guessed it) amnesty.
Posted by: Tralfaz at February 24, 2016 11:54 AM (BzdVM)

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I love Ace sooooooooooooooo much!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 24, 2016 12:06 PM (iQIUe)

338
Urban legend. Not true. Republicans did not "stay home in droves." Democrats turned out larger than normal numbers.

How this is done is left as an exercise for the demagogues and the vote fraud artists, most of whom seem to have (D) behind their names.
Posted by: filbert at February 24, 2016 12:05 PM (s5o+q)


Yup. Thank You for posting that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 24, 2016 12:06 PM (DUoqb)

339
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| RUBIO !

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| HILLARY !

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| BERNIE !

Posted by: Liz at February 24, 2016 12:06 PM (/2E+M)

340 The Baby Boomers gave us Trump. They chose not to choose and ran up the debt and let their kids get hooked on drugs and get womyn's studies degrees and decided they'd rather pay Rosa $4/hr to clean the house than employ a citizen or do it themselves.

That's who's at fault here. This generation has been tasked with sorting things out. And it's beginning to look like they won't choose socialism. Thanks to the control of all education by socialists for the past 50 years, we can't even comprehend what that might be (or that it's even possible for it to be good). But if Trump is the only non-socialist option, American millenials may choose to blaze their own path.

Unlike the fucking baby boomers.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 24, 2016 12:06 PM (xuouz)

341 I don't think Ace is a single issue voter. Some issues are more important to him that others, but that is true for all of us.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 24, 2016 12:07 PM (DUoqb)

342 Urban legend. Not true. Republicans did not "stay home in droves." Democrats turned out larger than normal numbers.

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Ok, then why didn't Republicans turn out in larger than normal numbers?

Posted by: SH at February 24, 2016 12:07 PM (gmeXX)

343 yep, he's got that weaselly trial lawyer vibe. it just rubs people the wrong way, unfortunately
Posted by: brak


But Hillary is my abuela.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 24, 2016 12:07 PM (FkBIv)

344
Posted by: Tralfaz at February 24, 2016 11:54 AM (BzdVM)







Welcome to the blog chedolf, errr, I mean Tralfaz. Just a side note, ace loves it when you tell him that he shouldn't have put a post up because there are more important issues he should be talking about.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 24, 2016 12:07 PM (HolZ7)

345 Where's an Illudium Q38 Space Modulator when you need one?

"The illudium Q-36 explosive space modulator! That creature has stolen the space modulator! "

Posted by: db at February 24, 2016 12:07 PM (1efdY)

346 Wow. There was some guy bitching at CAC on twitter and then Ace. The guy is in a full fledged meltdown.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 24, 2016 12:04 PM (iQIUe)


What is this 'twitter' thing of which you speak?

Posted by: filbert at February 24, 2016 12:07 PM (s5o+q)

347

Megan McCain. On Fox now. wow.

but enough about the makeup today. She says Cruz should be honorable get out and let Rubio be great

Posted by: ThunderB at February 24, 2016 12:07 PM (zOTsN)

348 The thing is that while amnesty is not the only issue before us (God knows), in many ways it is emblematic of the ur-problem facing us: the infestation of liberal values in our society.


How else to explain the fervor of grass roots liberals to promote and vociferously defend the illegal immigration of uneducated and unskilled people from a different culture, speaking a different language? Not just Hispanics, but also Somalis, and other assorted Muslim shitheads who in time will become a major problem as sure as God made green apples.


As opposed to a hard-headed, clear-eyed assessment that these people will be a net liability to this country, and should be kept out for that reason.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 24, 2016 12:07 PM (oKE6c)

349 yep, he's got that weaselly trial lawyer vibe. it just rubs people the wrong way, unfortunately
Posted by: brak

For another "silly" example my right-wing father was dead to Cruz when he found out he was born in Canada. He said that disqualifies him for eligibility.

Let's be honest, 90% of us if asked 10 years ago if someone was born on foreign soil, they were not eligible to be President. It was this "law" everyone knew about since grammar school.

To think this wasn't going to be a problem for voters was again denying reality.

Posted by: Targus at February 24, 2016 12:07 PM (6ejxM)

350 Where's the Art? Please, rd, we need some art.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 24, 2016 12:08 PM (w4NZ8)

351 aquifers, hording the water.

'...hoarding...', dammit.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 24, 2016 12:08 PM (oFSUK)

352 Ok, then why didn't Republicans turn out in larger than normal numbers?
Posted by: SH at February 24, 2016 12:07 PM (gmeXX)


I refer the right honorable gentleman to the answer I gave some moments ago.

Posted by: filbert at February 24, 2016 12:08 PM (s5o+q)

353 yep, he's got that weaselly trial lawyer vibe. it just rubs people the wrong way, unfortunately
Posted by: brak

But Hillary is my abuela.

---------------

Everyone loved me. That's how I won the largest electoral landslide in history.

Posted by: Zombie Nixon at February 24, 2016 12:08 PM (gmeXX)

354 >>>Trump will pick Sessions for VP.



Almost a sure thing.



If he does how many wounds will be healed with Cruzers that feel bad?

Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 24, 2016 11:58 AM (LXJ1e)<<<

Jeff Sessions... the 69 year old... for VP. BRILLIANT!!!

Why, in 8 years, or 4 should the Trump the Terrific feel too trapped by the Presidency to run for a second term, he'd be the perfect successor.

Posted by: The Guinness Guys at February 24, 2016 12:08 PM (H9MG5)

355 Meggie Mac bloviating?

That reminds me, lunch time.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 24, 2016 12:08 PM (2yQQy)

356

I fully expect the GOP to try and push Cruz and Trump off the ticket with legal machinations

Posted by: ThunderB at February 24, 2016 12:08 PM (zOTsN)

357 The day in 2006 when the idiot Bushies went full Hispandering was the day the wheels fell off the Republican cart
Posted by: TexasJew at February 24, 2016 11:52 AM (Cab6l)


Bush ran in 2000 on immigration reform as one of his promises. It shouldn't have been a surprise.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 24, 2016 12:09 PM (dwNYN)

358 Don't worry Mike Hammer, I read typos. Just like Mrs. Cleaver speaks jive.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 24, 2016 12:09 PM (2yQQy)

359 297 My father in law , a lifelong republican , veteran, and conservative, has said that he just doesn't like the look of Cruz.
I'm not joking. He will not vote for Cruz (would if he were the nominee)in the primary because he feels there is something distrustful in the way Cruz looks.

How do you begin to turn something like that around? My father in law has a lifetime of experience and his instincts are to not like Cruz because of something about his nose or his hair or whatever. He just doesn't like him....
Posted by: Jen the original at February 24, 2016 11:58 AM (gOsh1)
-------------------------
If you think Cruz has a problem with that, try Trump.

Cruz is pretty boring, which means that relatively few people will have such a strong visceral dislike of him that they won't vote for him, given the harpy alternative.

Trump is exciting --- which is why he has such astronomically high negatives, higher even than Hillary's "historically high" ones. He elicits strong feelings, one way or another.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 24, 2016 12:09 PM (T/5A0)

360 Looks like Ace is going to have to go to the mattresses. You've got to do that every 5, 10 years. Gets the bad blood out.

Posted by: Tessio at February 24, 2016 12:09 PM (RD7QR)

361 The Mario Gambit is stupid. Why would anyone with any amount of brains (like, average intelligence) believe that a demographic that makes this their #1 issue is going to break for the guy who isn't as good on this issue? And disagrees with you on a lot of other issues?

My big issue is 2A. Would it make sense for me to break from the GOP to vote for Bernie, because he's not quite as hostile on guns as the other Socialists? No, because that's stupid.

And Mario's backers should be smart enough to know this. But go ahead and throw away the blue collar white vote.

Posted by: Chupacabra at February 24, 2016 12:09 PM (V40IZ)

362 I'm a single issue voter and my issue is death to the GOPe.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 24, 2016 12:09 PM (Nwg0u)

363

lipstick on a pig. Literally

Posted by: ThunderB at February 24, 2016 12:09 PM (zOTsN)

364 Wow. Tits McCain is getting to be a real butterball.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 24, 2016 12:09 PM (/tuJf)

365 Your father in law is mentally ill. No one who has a lifetime of "experience" would base a decision on a "feeling". Thats what 13 year old girls do.Maybe time for a check up?
Posted by: Some asshole psycologist at February 24, 2016 12:04 PM (aRUb

Your nic is perfect. It describes you to a T.

Maybe it's time for Ace to flush out a lot of the trolls who are rolling around on here.

Posted by: Jen the original at February 24, 2016 12:09 PM (gOsh1)

366

Wow. There was some guy bitching at CAC on twitter and then Ace. The guy is in a full fledged meltdown.


Obviously Ace and CAC said something to set him off. I will ban them both. FOR SAFETY!

Posted by: Twitter Trust and Safety Council at February 24, 2016 12:09 PM (PFy0L)

367 Ok, then why didn't Republicans turn out in larger than normal numbers?
Posted by: SH at February 24, 2016 12:07 PM (gmeXX)


I think there is a difference between intentionally not coming out to vote as a protest and just having no enthusiasm. Trump is exciting certain people ( not me) and I don't think Romney or that senile old bastard from AZ did.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 24, 2016 12:09 PM (DUoqb)

368 Unlike the fucking baby boomers.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 24, 2016 12:06 PM (xuouz)

******

Look no further than to the actions, or lack thereof, of the GOPe to explain Trump. They created the perfect storm for his rise.

It really is very simple, yet so many refuse to admit this.

Posted by: Tim in GA at February 24, 2016 12:10 PM (YLidQ)

369 I'll just dump these here:

http://cheezburger.com/8750571264

http://cheezburger.com/291080

http://cheezburger.com/8291718912

http://cheezburger.com/8233015552

Posted by: DaveA at February 24, 2016 12:10 PM (DL2i+)

370 American millenials may choose to blaze their own path.
Unlike the fucking baby boomers.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 24, 2016 12:06 PM (xuouz)




Except many millennials (two n's) are poorly educated, woefully ignorant, and not overly bright. And right now, for many, their path leads right to Bernie Sanders.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 24, 2016 12:10 PM (oKE6c)

371 347

Megan McCain. On Fox now. wow.

but enough about the makeup today. She says Cruz should be honorable get out and let Rubio be great
Posted by: ThunderB at February 24, 2016 12:07 PM (zOTsN)

Talk about your food-based nightmare...

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at February 24, 2016 12:10 PM (RD7QR)

372 Looks like Ace is going to have to go to the mattresses. You've got to do that every 5, 10 years. Gets the bad blood out.

Posted by: Tessio


Hey!

Posted by: Zombie Clemenza at February 24, 2016 12:10 PM (NF2Bf)

373 "Folks, remember, there's still a convention to come. That's when the real skullduggery comes out to crown the Rube."



The Outrage Outlet is busy re-sizing it and cleaning Jeb's flop-sweat out of the hat-band. Then it will be ready for the Convention to make Chicago 1968 look like a debutante ball.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet Sponsor of the 2016 Trump of Doom Tour! at February 24, 2016 12:10 PM (hLRSq)

374 Hillary Clinton, currently under federal investigation, will be the next president. She will replace Scalia and Ginsberg on the court. I will be hate-laughing the entire time because we will have no one to blame but ourselves.

Posted by: Naes at February 24, 2016 12:11 PM (Ypc8j)

375 Urban legend. Not true. Republicans did not "stay home in droves." Democrats turned out larger than normal numbers.

How this is done is left as an exercise for the demagogues and the vote fraud artists, most of whom seem to have (D) behind their names.
Posted by: filbert


I would argue with that, had the same number of Republicans that turned out in 2004 for Bush turned out for Romney in 2012, he would have won.

Bush LOST the independent vote to Kerry but still won.

Romney WON the independent vote but lost the Presidency.

Posted by: Targus at February 24, 2016 12:11 PM (6ejxM)

376 Ace is a single-issue voter. And that issue is amnesty.

Doesn't care about abortion.

Doesn't care about gay marriage.

Cares about amnesty.

Loved Paul Ryan, until he supported amnesty.

Loved George Bush, until he supported amnesty.

The only candidates Ace likes are the anti-amnesty candidates.



Sadly, this election is going to be decided by single-issue voters like Ace.

Well, not Ace, specifically, because he's already flounced into his
bedroom, slammed the door and loudly declared that he is NEVER voting
for another Republican again because of (you guessed it) amnesty.

Posted by: Tralfaz at February 24, 2016 11:54 AM (BzdVM)




Ummmmmm, this seems wrong and ahistorical.

Posted by: redbanzai at February 24, 2016 12:11 PM (OrI3J)

377 I think larger forces are at work, as always. Pretty much believe a big event will happen before the election that will be clarifying

Posted by: ThunderB at February 24, 2016 12:11 PM (zOTsN)

378 So who is Mendoza and his bucket voting for?

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 24, 2016 12:11 PM (2yQQy)

379 Let's be honest, 90% of us if asked 10 years ago if someone was born on foreign soil, they were not eligible to be President.
----------------

*?!*

Uh..., I doubt that. The only question a reasonably educated person would ask would be "Are they a native born citizen?", which any child of an American is.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 24, 2016 12:11 PM (oFSUK)

380 I have a fantastic Idea. Let's all get behind Trump. Shake the whole tomale' up and get the nation going in the right direction again.

If there was a point in our nations time where a bit of nationalism trumps (for lack of a better word) conservatism/progressivism then this is it.

We don't have anything to lose at this point. 20 trillion in debt, a 2 party system that functions as a 1 party system, this cannot be denied.

Stop living a bumper sticker life. Moving from bumper sticker to bumper sticker on what to say about this guy or that guy or that one.
We have a man who is touching on all points of the spectrum, that is a GOOD thing. We can win this, we will win this. We need you people if for only to be used as an explaination point.

Join us in taking back the country.

Trump 2016!!
There is no substitute.


Posted by: Drider at February 24, 2016 12:11 PM (bdzyz)

381 Your father in law is mentally ill. No one who has a lifetime of "experience" would base a decision on a "feeling". Thats what 13 year old girls do.Maybe time for a check up?
Posted by: Some asshole psycologist at February 24, 2016 12:04 PM (aRUb

Your nic is perfect. It describes you to a T.

Maybe it's time for Ace to flush out a lot of the trolls who are rolling around on here.
Posted by: Jen the original at February 24, 2016 12:09 PM (gOsh 1)

Hey Jen I was gong to respond to that also, but I kinda got the feeling it was not a troll but just someone making a joke. I could be wrong.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 24, 2016 12:11 PM (DUoqb)

382 Urban legend. Not true.

www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/11/08/the_case_of_the_missing_white_voters_116106-2.html

Posted by: db at February 24, 2016 12:11 PM (1efdY)

383

Tralfaz

Hot Air is still open ya know. Dont let the door hit you on the way out

Posted by: ThunderB at February 24, 2016 12:12 PM (zOTsN)

384 Oue...another movie review.

Posted by: Paladin (Moderately Nefarious) at February 24, 2016 12:12 PM (DPvCq)

385 >>> I don't think Ace is a single issue voter. Some issues are more important to him that others, but that is true for all of us.

yeah like Cruz isn't really a real conservative on all issues

riiiiiiight

he's just not drrrrreeeamy like the Miami Soundbite Machine, I guess

by the way I also oppose Rubio's callow, "Here's How I Prove I'm Tough, By Advocating Interventions Everywhere" McCainite foreign policy

Posted by: A Psychiatrist at February 24, 2016 12:12 PM (dciA+)

386 Look no further than to the actions, or lack thereof, of the GOPe to explain Trump. They created the perfect storm for his rise.

It really is very simple, yet so many refuse to admit this.
Posted by: Tim in GA at February 24, 2016 12:10 PM (YLidQ)


When Trump closes in on victory, the GOPe will suddenly decide that he's not so bad after all. Because they all have their phony-baloney jobs to protect, after all.

People seem to hold this misapprehension that the GOPe'rs have any principles at all other than keeping the gravy train running. If that means abasing themselves before The Donald, they will certainly do that.

Trump had better keep his food-tasters very, very happy, though.

Posted by: filbert at February 24, 2016 12:13 PM (s5o+q)

387 Speaking of movie reviews.

2pm and 7pm today at certain cinemas, The Maltese Falcon will be shown on the big screen.

Talk about the stuff dreams are made of.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 24, 2016 12:13 PM (2yQQy)

388 The Hispanic vote means squat.

For the last 30 years, the Consultant Class has cared more about how Illegal Aliens that are hispanic will vote someday than actual voters.

You net a 3% increase in the white vote and that is like carrying 75% of the Hispanic vote.

And most Hispanic voters are located in states that are already decided like California and Texas.
Posted by: Targus at February 24, 2016 12:04 PM (6ejxM)

_____

The problem is the white vote is pretty much at a ceiling for Republicans. Reagan won 56% of whites in 1980. Romney won 59% of whites in 2012. Saying "just increase that by 3%" is a lot harder than it sounds.

In Virginia Romney won 61%% of the white vote and still lost the state.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 24, 2016 12:13 PM (0LHZx)

389 I think it was probably a joke-as in poor taste as it was. Otherwise, they wouldn't have the nic that they do.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 24, 2016 12:13 PM (w4NZ8)

390 Rubes continue exhibiting the same grace and charm they've exhibited all election cycle, sneering people left right and center.

Hey go fuck yourself all right? is that all right with you, Chester?

Posted by: ace at February 24, 2016 12:13 PM (dciA+)

391 Everyone loved me. That's how I won the largest electoral landslide in history.
Posted by: Zombie Nixon


Different era, and Nixon had a sort of gravitas and alpha male thing going that Cruz simply does not possess.

Posted by: Targus at February 24, 2016 12:13 PM (6ejxM)

392 Miami Soundbite Machine.

LOL.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 24, 2016 12:14 PM (w4NZ8)

393 Uh oh Ace is mad....

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 24, 2016 12:14 PM (2yQQy)

394 >>>
Tralfaz

Hot Air is still open ya know. Dont let the door hit you on the way out

...

yeah maybe you should mosey on out of here, maybe get a change of pampers

Posted by: ace at February 24, 2016 12:14 PM (dciA+)

395 Who's Chester?

Posted by: SH at February 24, 2016 12:14 PM (gmeXX)

396 387
Speaking of movie reviews.
2pm and 7pm today at certain cinemas, The Maltese Falcon will be shown on the big screen.
Talk about the stuff dreams are made of.

There's a 1931 version of Maltese Falcon made before the Hayes Code went into effect. It's more risque.

Posted by: Naes at February 24, 2016 12:14 PM (Ypc8j)

397 Hillary Clinton, currently under federal investigation, will be the next president. She will replace Scalia and Ginsberg on the court. I will be hate-laughing the entire time because we will have no one to blame but ourselves.



How well did John Roberts work out for your medical insurance?

Posted by: rickb223 at February 24, 2016 12:15 PM (JWzxO)

398 I think it was probably a joke-as in poor taste as it was. Otherwise, they wouldn't have the nic that they do.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 24, 2016 12:13 PM (w4NZ


yes the nic is why I thought it was a joke also

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 24, 2016 12:15 PM (DUoqb)

399

to the Noobs

you leave one party because the host is demanding all your information


you find a new party, that welcomes you on your terms, and you proceed to complain and shit in the living room

maybe the problem is you

Posted by: ThunderB at February 24, 2016 12:15 PM (zOTsN)

400 Back in the day, I went through an exercise where I was part of the command post at a base where terrorists had just exploded a bomb.

I won't go into the details, other than to note that the command got killed when a terrorist bomb went off in the command post. There was much confusion, until we all "died".

From the exercise, I learned that in an emergency:

1. Secure your perimeter.
2. Secure your command authority.
3. Secure your mission-critical assets.
4. Worry about everything else.

Where are we?

1. The borders are open.
2. We are ruled by a uniparty that gives not a fig for us.
3. We're selling out as fast as possible and loading up on an intolerable amount of debt.
4. Rattlesnakes.

The only person I hear speak unequivocally about this is Trump.

Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at February 24, 2016 12:15 PM (bpn7O)

401 @386, yep - but I get the sense that Trump is OK with the GOPe cozying up to him. It fits the whole Alpha image, and who knows...Trump in that position may get the GOPe to abandon the amnesty crap for a significant time as a consequence.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks, proudly wearing the Andrew Branca Called You An Asshat label at February 24, 2016 12:15 PM (PFy0L)

402 Choose Cruz. (Fonte's piece notes that Cruz was a very important actor in defeating the Gang of Eight -- not just via the legislative poison pill, but by publicizing the defects of it on talk radio.)

Posted by Ace at 11:05
.............
We're dealing with the deaf, dumb & blind Trumpbots.

Posted by: redridinghood at February 24, 2016 12:15 PM (7GQM/)

403 Bush ran in 2000 on immigration reform as one of his promises. It shouldn't have been a surprise.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 24, 2016 12:09 PM (dwNYN)

Immigration reform.
Health Care reform.

Nebulous terms, if allowed to stand without specifics.

That's the way politicians politic. Throw out a vague phrase and let the masses fill in the blanks.


"I do declare, that a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest" said a broken clock.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 24, 2016 12:15 PM (kKHcp)

404 Naes, well the 1931 version is not being shown. Get Humphrey Bogart and Sydney Greenstreet instead.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 24, 2016 12:15 PM (2yQQy)

405
I've heard far more vitriol from fellow Republican friends towards Ted Cruz than I have Donald Trump.

Posted by: Targus at February 24, 2016 12:02 PM (6ejxM)

___________________________________________________________

There is no separation....all are one with the Leader and the Mission

Posted by: The Borg at February 24, 2016 12:16 PM (aRUb8)

406 Cruz may not even win Texas. Rubio is running third in Florida. This is not going to be close.

Looking ahead, the idea that the corrupt, "likeable enough" retread on the other side will steamroll Trump seems FAR from a foregone conclusion.

Posted by: Gunga Done at February 24, 2016 12:16 PM (pnRrB)

407 Oddly, Rubio has drawn votes from Cruz by making him his squirrel. Every time the issues comes up, Rubio just points his finger.

Then in unison the clapping seals and lemmings in the press all applaud and jump over cliffs.

It's Noah's Ark gone bad.

Why, it's as if we have a new "God-King" on the right. Gee, wasn't that what some of these same people said about Obama?

Whew, I feel like I just traveled back in time to an alternate reality or something.

Rubio's new chant is "I'm the only alternative to Trump". Uh, no dummy, you're really not. You're just some guy talking fast to stay ahead of your last lie.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 24, 2016 12:16 PM (GGCsk)

408 Most recent poll:

Cruz - 29
Trump - 28
Rubio - 25
Kasich - 9
Carson - 4

...
...
...

The state: Texas

I see Ace is at Stage 3: Bargaining.

Don't know if he'll go the full Ahab on immigration but here's the thing:

If Clinton/Sanders/Trump win, we get full-on amnesty.

Full-on, people. Trump is all for it.

If Cruz wins, he'll be weak. He might compromise on amnesty.

But he's not going to win. The hardcore anti-s don't want an immigration solution, they want somebody who yells at illegals, even if he makes them legal. That's where they are. They want President Camacho.

If Rubio wins, worst case, we get border security and then amnesty. Best case, he's so scared of the issue, he doesn't bother with it, what with the nuclear war in the Middle East and all.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 24, 2016 12:17 PM (Xd2w5)

409 Trump won't carry my state. We eat squirrels here, we don't let them nest on our heads.

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at February 24, 2016 12:17 PM (xWW96)

410 Hillary Clinton, currently under federal investigation, will be the next president."

Sadly, this is true. Or Uncle Joe, who will swoop in during the convention.

All the rest is just Hot Air...

/

Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 24, 2016 12:17 PM (C9pBZ)

411 Just wondering (mainly because I am uncertain what I would do):
Are those that have been saying Trump or Cruz/Cruz or Trump/ or nothing...let it burn...Rubio is a shill that I will never vote for...
going to pull the lever for Trump if he makes Marcio his VP pick?

Posted by: ajmojo at February 24, 2016 12:17 PM (1H9ox)

412 Gush Etzion terror victim: Reserve captain, father of two

Eliyav Gelman, 30-year-old father of two killed during stabbing attack in Gush Etzion on Wednesday.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 24, 2016 12:17 PM (DUoqb)

413
Choose Cruz.
Posted by: Ace at 11:05 AM



New poll today:

Texas Republican Emerson Cruz +1

And like that, poof -- he's gone.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 24, 2016 12:17 PM (kdS6q)

414 In Virginia Romney won 61%% of the white vote that showed up and still lost the state.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 24, 2016 12:13 PM (0LHZx)

FIFY

Posted by: db at February 24, 2016 12:17 PM (1efdY)

415 Okay, so Rubio is soft on immigration. Is Rubio more likely than say, Hillary, to appoint a SCOTUS judge that will vote for firearms confiscation?
Is Rubio more likely than Bernie to federalize health care, turning the best health care system into DMV?

Should all of these issues take a backseat to illegal immigration? I don't think so.


Posted by: Mike at February 24, 2016 11:24 AM (ISxUB)


If you don't put a stop to illegal immigration, you'll windup with a permanent Democrat super-majority in the voting public, and all the other evils will come in due course. Immigration is an existential issue; it quite literally changes the face of the country.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 24, 2016 12:17 PM (afR/C)

416 Choose Cruz..

Yeah, OK. I'm gonna vote for him, but with Rubio still pulling 22%, Trump will be the big winner.

Florida - winner-take-all
Ohio - winner-take-all
Even Texas.. if you get 50% of the vote is winner-take-all - not likely, but still

Let's face it, Ace.. we're fucked.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 24, 2016 12:18 PM (so+oy)

417 Dang, that is horrible news NGU.

The world is turning rapidly into a dog's breakfast that has been harked up.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 24, 2016 12:18 PM (2yQQy)

418 Fredo promoting bipartisan government again by ripping Republicans.

What an asshole.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 24, 2016 12:18 PM (DUoqb)

419 I would argue with that, had the same number of Republicans that turned out in 2004 for Bush turned out for Romney in 2012, he would have won.

Bush LOST the independent vote to Kerry but still won.

Romney WON the independent vote but lost the Presidency.
Posted by: Targus at February 24, 2016 12:11 PM (6ejxM)


How much did Obama's vote total drop from 2008 to 2012?

How much did the Republican candidate's vote total drop?

Answer #1: About 3 1/2 million votes.

Answer #2: It didn't. Romney got a million more votes than McCain did.

Posted by: filbert at February 24, 2016 12:18 PM (s5o+q)

420 397
How well did John Roberts work out for your medical insurance?

What the fuck are you talking about? Roberts has nothing to do with what President Hillary will do. Christ, you're non sequiturs are embarrassing.

Posted by: Naes at February 24, 2016 12:18 PM (Ypc8j)

421 Worst part? I'll bet the ticket ends up as Trump-Rubio. That's currently appears to be the smart electoral move. That ticket probably trounces Clinton, no matter who her Dummy-Mate is.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 24, 2016 12:19 PM (GGCsk)

422 The problem is the white vote is pretty much at a ceiling for Republicans. Reagan won 56% of whites in 1980. Romney won 59% of whites in 2012. Saying "just increase that by 3%" is a lot harder than it sounds.

In Virginia Romney won 61%% of the white vote and still lost the state.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo


It's more fertile ground then going after Hispanics via Open Border policies.

And I really don't think it's crazy to believe a Republican can't get say 62% of the White Vote from the usual 59%. Obama went from Democrats getting like 90% of the black vote to 97%.

The smart guys in the GOP are saying we can get 35% of the Hispanic vote instead of 30%if we let 20 million of them become citizens. Making it on volume.


Posted by: Targus at February 24, 2016 12:19 PM (6ejxM)

423 From politico:

For the first time in the 2016 primary season, media entrance polls
showed that a majority of voters, 57 percent of Nevada caucus-goers,
said they were "angry" with the federal government

I find it shocking that a majority didn't feel this way in either Iowa, New Hampshire, or South Carolina.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 24, 2016 12:19 PM (wtvvX)

424 395
Who's Chester?

Posted by: SH at February 24, 2016 12:14 PM (gmeXX)

______________________________________________________
Matt's sidekick.

Posted by: Mr. Dillon at February 24, 2016 12:19 PM (aRUb8)

425 Well that is all Gaylord is - an anus attached to a Q-tip.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 24, 2016 12:19 PM (2yQQy)

426 340----Unlike the fucking baby boomers.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 24, 2016 12:06 PM (xuouz)
---------------
Oh, you buy the MSM and leftist (BIRM) story about the radical Boomers! --- the generation that had the sense NOT to vote for McGovern, even when they were 18-24 yrs old --- the ONLY generation to reject Obama in both 2008 and 2012 --- the last generation to have been raised in a more traditional pro-American environment --- the last generation to serve in the military in any significant numbers.

Yeah, you'll be better off when all of those nasty Boomers die.


Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 24, 2016 12:19 PM (T/5A0)

427
If Rubio wins, worst case, we get border security and then amnesty. Best case, he's so scared of the issue, he doesn't bother with it, what with the nuclear war in the Middle East and all.
Posted by: AmishDude at February 24, 2016 12:17 PM (Xd2w5)

____

Why do people always refuse to listen to candidates? Rubio has been fighting for amnesty for years. He keeps telling Spanish audiences he will deliver amnesty.

What is more likely?

1. He will have a sudden change of heart?
2. He will do what he has been fighting for over the past 3 years?

Hmmmm......

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 24, 2016 12:19 PM (0LHZx)

428 372 Looks like Ace is going to have to go to the mattresses. You've got to do that every 5, 10 years. Gets the bad blood out.

Posted by: Tessio

Hey!
Posted by: Zombie Clemenza at February 24, 2016 12:10 PM (NF2Bf)

It was just business.

Posted by: Tessio at February 24, 2016 12:19 PM (RD7QR)

429 If the Paulbots could figure out how to game the caucauses, why can't Cruz? If someone can't run a successful campaign to get the nomination, why should be believe they would be a successful president?

Posted by: notsothoreau


How the in the sweet fuck was RuPaul a 'success'?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 24, 2016 12:19 PM (Qy3YA)

430 Why, it's as if we have a new "God-King" on the right. Gee, wasn't that what some of these same people said about Obama?

That's projection. Yes, Marco sucks. And yet he'd still be the third most conservative GOP nominee since Coolidge (Goldwater and Reagan). Third.

He also leads Hillary by 7 points.
Cruz is even with her.
Trump loses to her by 5 points.

Join me. Stage 5 is waiting.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 24, 2016 12:19 PM (Xd2w5)

431 The world is turning rapidly into a dog's breakfast that has been harked up.
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 24, 2016 12:18 PM (2yQQy)


People wonder why dog's re-eat their vomit, but how often does a dog get a hot meal?

Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at February 24, 2016 12:19 PM (xWW96)

432 400 Back in the day, I went through an exercise where I was part of the command post at a base where terrorists had just exploded a bomb.

I won't go into the details, other than to note that the command got killed when a terrorist bomb went off in the command post. There was much confusion, until we all "died".

From the exercise, I learned that in an emergency:

1. Secure your perimeter.
2. Secure your command authority.
3. Secure your mission-critical assets.
4. Worry about everything else.

Where are we?

1. The borders are open.
2. We are ruled by a uniparty that gives not a fig for us.
3. We're selling out as fast as possible and loading up on an intolerable amount of debt.
4. Rattlesnakes.

The only person I hear speak unequivocally about this is Trump.
---
If you're worried about rattlesnakes do not put your command post in Massachusetts.

Posted by: ajmojo at February 24, 2016 12:20 PM (1H9ox)

433 Texas Republican Emerson Cruz +1

And like that, poof -- he's gone.

----------

I do know a lot of Dems who are voting for Trump because they see no reason to vote in the Dem primary in Texas. It probably is only a small faction. But I continue to question the reason for having an open primary.

Posted by: SH at February 24, 2016 12:20 PM (gmeXX)

434 Trumpbots!
cruzfanboys!
Rubioidiots!
rino!
conservative pukes!

Posted by: willow at February 24, 2016 12:20 PM (L1+sh)

435 to be honest in the beginning the Trump people were annoying as hell. Loud, pedantic, and some, yes, quite bigoted.

but now I find the Rubio people so condescending, so sneering, so smug and so desirious of maintaining the political caste system that they have become anti-democratic


the more they talk the more I hate Rubio


Posted by: ThunderB at February 24, 2016 12:20 PM (zOTsN)

436 Dang, that is horrible news NGU.

The world is turning rapidly into a dog's breakfast that has been harked up.
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 24, 2016 12:18 PM (2yQQy)

It's everyday News in Israel and the Gov is doing jack shit about it...oh yeah, one thing, the Israeli Army now is ordering their Soldiers to take their service weapons home again after suspending that order years ago because of theft and loses. Sigh

My G-D Fredo is just droning on

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 24, 2016 12:20 PM (DUoqb)

437 Just idly poking around statistics.

In the 2012 primaries, at this point the popular vote winners were:

IA Santorum
NH Romney
SC Gingrich
NV Romney



Posted by: VA GOP Sucks, proudly wearing the Andrew Branca Called You An Asshat label at February 24, 2016 12:21 PM (eytER)

438 >>Posted by: AmishDude at February 24, 2016 12:17 PM (Xd2w5)
<<

Trump wins, we get...full on amnesty? I must be reading the wrong proposals and watching alien TV.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 24, 2016 12:21 PM (GGCsk)

439
so Rubio is soft on immigration. Is Rubio more likely than say, Hillary, to appoint a SCOTUS judge that will vote for firearms confiscation?
Posted by: Mike



Why the concern about appointments? There's still the totes conservative GOPe Senate around to advise and consent.

Don't you trust senators, senator like -- Rubio, when he shows up for work.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 24, 2016 12:21 PM (kdS6q)

440 What is more likely?

1. He will have a sudden change of heart?
2. He will do what he has been fighting for over the past 3 years?


Ah, Moo Moo.

Well, he's a politician and he isn't going to shatter his tender coalition over it.

Meanwhile, your hopes are on "triple the H1Bs" Cruz?

Posted by: AmishDude at February 24, 2016 12:21 PM (Xd2w5)

441 >>If you don't put a stop to illegal immigration, you'll windup with a permanent Democrat super-majority in the voting public, and all the other evils will come in due course. Immigration is an existential issue; it quite literally changes the face of the country.

You know who put the kibosh on Obama's illegal end run to ram through amnesty with an EO? The Supreme Court.

Single issue voting doesn't mean there aren't multiple ways to skin the cat or get skinned ourselves. The Supreme Court has been a pretty important backstop for us save for the obvious Obamacare. We lose that and you can get ready to turn in your guns and watch your freedom of speech get widely curtailed.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 24, 2016 12:21 PM (/tuJf)

442 Sidebar: California Safety School Bans Ben Shapiro From Speaking,

Um, what you mean 'Safety School', kemosabe?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 24, 2016 12:21 PM (Qy3YA)

443 Absolutely FUCK legalization.

You want reform?

Return to securing the border and rigorously enforcing all aspects of current law.

THAT is all the reform needed.

Beyond sick of this bullshit.

Posted by: irongrampa at February 24, 2016 12:21 PM (P/8aq)

444 If you don't put a stop to illegal immigration,
you'll windup with a permanent Democrat super-majority in the voting
public, and all the other evils will come in due course. Immigration is
an existential issue; it quite literally changes the face of the
country.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 24, 2016 12:17 PM (afR/C)


Ah, I see you've been to California, then.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 24, 2016 12:21 PM (oKE6c)

445 I don't know if this is purposefully disingenuous or just ignorant of his positions, but I have a hunch. You say:

<quote> I could get behind Rubio if he made one promise: that he would not attempt any sort of legalization until after he had worked dilligently to secure the border <quote>

This is exactly what he continuously repeats on the issue. He says nothing will be done until the border is secure and "we can prove to the people of this country that illegal immigration is under control". Even then he has laid out in his book, on his website (https://marcorubio.com/issues-2/marco-rubio-immigration-plan-border-security-legal/) and on the campaign trail what he wants to do and it is not amnesty under any definition.

I understand that you are all in for Cruz and that the 'gang of 8' has badly damaged Rubio's ability to be trusted on the issue, but to say he never lays out a plan is flatly incorrect. I for one choose to believe that Rubio, perhaps naively, believed in the spirit of a collegial Senate (a spirit that Harry Reid killed quite thoroughly) and thought that he could drag the Democrats further right on this issue which was obviously incorrect. I realize I am in the minority on this site, but in my opinion many are embarrassing themselves with histrionics over Rubio's supposed positions with little to back them up except their own feelings.

Posted by: Notunderabushel at February 24, 2016 12:21 PM (a5375)

446 415 Okay, so Rubio is soft on immigration. Is Rubio more likely than say, Hillary, to appoint a SCOTUS judge that will vote for firearms confiscation?



No idea. Very possible.
GHWB gave us the one that raped our medical insurance.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 24, 2016 12:21 PM (JWzxO)

447 the ONLY generation to reject Obama in both 2008 and 2012 --- the last generation to have been raised in a more traditional pro-American environment --

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 24, 2016 12:19 PM (T/5A0)

HUH?

18-24 year olds voted Obama 60% in 2012 and 18-29 voters went 66% for Obama in 2008.

Another one of these myths that continues to live.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 24, 2016 12:22 PM (0LHZx)

448 Haven't read all the comments, so I'm probably repeating someone. But I have to ask: why bother to ask Rubio what his policy is, when you can't believe what he says?

And what, exactly, is wrong with Trump's policy? Fear of jack-boots? Really?

Posted by: One-Eyed Cat Peeping in the Seafood Store at February 24, 2016 12:22 PM (aeVIR)

449 Still droning on about judicial appointments..The King of Jordan must be saying WTF?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 24, 2016 12:22 PM (DUoqb)

450 What an asshole.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 24, 2016 12:18 PM (DUoqb)

always does this same shtick. you'd think people would catch on, and they might if media were actually doing their jobs.

Posted by: willow at February 24, 2016 12:22 PM (L1+sh)

451 Trump wins, we get...full on amnesty? I must be reading the wrong proposals and watching alien TV.

Trump is for "touchback amnesty". Deport them and they can then apply to come back in.

Amnesty.

Not sure what his "proposals" are inasmuch as his speeches are word salad.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 24, 2016 12:22 PM (Xd2w5)

452 That's funny Laurie, like Mario ever show up for work.

Posted by: Chupacabra at February 24, 2016 12:22 PM (V40IZ)

453 Um, what you mean 'Safety School', kemosabe?

Well, it's like this.....

Posted by: Twitter Trust and Safety Council at February 24, 2016 12:22 PM (eytER)

454 I obviously don't know how to do block quotes on here... sorry about that.

Posted by: Notunderabushel at February 24, 2016 12:23 PM (a5375)

455 NGU that would be comedy gold if King Hussein of Jordan turned off Gaylord's microphone.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 24, 2016 12:23 PM (2yQQy)

456 Let's face it, Ace.. we're fucked.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 24, 2016 12:18 PM (so+oy)


Bluto's Jerry's right. Psychotic... but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons, but that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part!

Posted by: db at February 24, 2016 12:23 PM (1efdY)

457 That's funny Laurie, like Mario ever show up for work.
Posted by: Chupacabra at February 24, 2016 12:22 PM (V40IZ)


See? PERFECT Vice-Presidential material.

Posted by: filbert at February 24, 2016 12:24 PM (s5o+q)

458 Answer #2: It didn't. Romney got a million more votes than McCain did.
Posted by: filbert


McCain was a train wreck of a candidacy, he lost states like Indiana.

Just not a good comparison.

Had Romney's ground game been like Bush in 2004, he would have won.

Posted by: Targus at February 24, 2016 12:24 PM (6ejxM)

459 57 percent of Nevada caucus-goers,
said they were "angry" with the federal government

-----------

I'm glad they are angry, but they are not angry that the federal government is too big. They are angry that the federal government appears to be working for others more than it works for them. And that is the problem with a federal government that is too big. It will work for someone at the expense of another.

Posted by: SH at February 24, 2016 12:24 PM (gmeXX)

460 Ah, Moo Moo.

Well, he's a politician and he isn't going to shatter his tender coalition over it.

Meanwhile, your hopes are on "triple the H1Bs" Cruz?
Posted by: AmishDude at February 24, 2016 12:21 PM (Xd2w5)

*****

Well, sure. This makes total sense.

Your back stabbing double talking Gang of 8 Shitweasel boy Dondi is obviously much more reliable in this area.

Posted by: Tim in GA at February 24, 2016 12:24 PM (YLidQ)

461 Too early to be the real Ace.


Long enough to be the real Ace

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 24, 2016 12:24 PM (ptqRm)

462 HUH?



18-24 year olds voted Obama 60% in 2012 and 18-29 voters went 66% for Obama in 2008.



Another one of these myths that continues to live.



Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 24, 2016 12:22 PM (0LHZx)


Reread her comment. She was referring to Boomers' voting in 1968, when they were 18-24, not today's 18-24 year olds.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 24, 2016 12:24 PM (oKE6c)

463 Haven't read all the comments, so I'm probably repeating someone. But I have to ask: why bother to ask Rubio what his policy is, when you can't believe what he says?
Posted by: One-Eyed Cat Peeping in the Seafood Store


Mostly to watch him do the robot and stutter the same talking point 8 times in a row.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 24, 2016 12:25 PM (Qy3YA)

464 >>Posted by: AmishDude at February 24, 2016 12:22 PM (Xd2w5)
<<

You really need to read his proposals a bit deeper. I'm not shilling for the man, but he basically says go home, potentially pay applicable fines and get in line. In the meantime I'll be building the wall.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 24, 2016 12:25 PM (GGCsk)

465 108 those kids are just there in that house whose location i do not know and cannot find again.

but they're there. and they're savage little monsters.

Posted by: ace at February 24, 2016 11:27 AM (dciA+)


------------------


Do not throw away your fap tissues. Put them in a can and store it in the freezer. Then you'll know where all those children are.

Posted by: Soona at February 24, 2016 12:26 PM (Fmupd)

466 too much navel-gazing on our side

look at the criminal Clinton and the clueless Sanders

their side is hell in a handbasket

Posted by: Feh at February 24, 2016 12:26 PM (ULAZq)

467 Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 24, 2016 12:19 PM (T/5A0)

Thank you.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 24, 2016 12:26 PM (FkBIv)

468 While I'm onboard with Trump/Cruz insofar as getting serious about immigration, this idea of building a wall is STUPID. It treats symptoms rather than the cause. People come because of the benefits. Remove the benefit, they will stop coming and even deport themselves.

1) End birthright citizenship.

2) Create a 2 strikes law. If caught illegally, deport. If caught second time, barred from country or ever getting citizenship.

3) Make the deportation process utterly miserable. Imprisonment and put into a work camp doing hard labor to payoff the cost of deportation.

4) Create a sensible guest worker program that incentivizes doing things legally. They must have healthcare, etc.

5) Just enforce the law that already exists.

6) Ending the stupid marijuana drug war would also go along way to help clean things up in Mexico as well.

Do these basic things and problem solves itself. The wall though will be largely ineffective and also will have very real negative impacts. Environmental, social, etc. Are we seriously going to cut off the fucking Rio Grande in the whole state of TX?

Posted by: Rastus at February 24, 2016 12:26 PM (dByOC)

469 The reality is that the only way Trump loses is if Mario or Cruz drop out, and neither one of them is going to blink at his point.

Posted by: NotCoach at February 24, 2016 12:26 PM (rsudF)

470 I realize I am in the minority on this site, but in my opinion many are embarrassing themselves with histrionics over Rubio's supposed positions with little to back them up except their own feelings.

Posted by: Notunderabushel


I know you might find this hard to believe but disagreement with you does not equal ignorance.


And how lovely that you believe people here are "embarrassing themselves" and only going on "feelings"


youre swell. Im super persuaded

Posted by: ThunderB at February 24, 2016 12:26 PM (zOTsN)

471 Rubio is a deal killer for me. Full Stop.

Trump picks Rubio for VP, it's couch time on Election day.

I don't think Trump is that stupid.

Posted by: nip at February 24, 2016 12:26 PM (r73Jl)

472 Another Rubio/Cruz conundrum. Rubio voted for TPA but to hear Trumpettes Cruz is the achitect and owns TPP because he voted for cloture on TPA.

Rubio has yet to be asked about his vote for TPA and has declared he will not reveal how he will vote for TPP.

Posted by: DanMan at February 24, 2016 12:26 PM (RusNE)

473 Posted by: Drider at February 24, 2016 12:11 PM (bdzyz)
___________________________________________________

There's one born every minute.

Posted by: P.T. Barnum at February 24, 2016 12:27 PM (aRUb8)

474 "they're there. and they're savage little monsters"

the days to come

yes, they are

better git right with God, ace

Posted by: Feh at February 24, 2016 12:27 PM (ULAZq)

475 What the fuck are you talking about? Roberts has nothing to do with what President Hillary will do. Christ, you're non sequiturs are embarrassing.
Posted by: Naes at February 24, 2016 12:18




Roberts has nothing to do with what President Hillary will do.
True. He just rules they way she would.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 24, 2016 12:27 PM (JWzxO)

476 You really need to read his proposals a bit deeper. I'm not shilling for the man, but he basically says go home, potentially pay applicable fines and get in line. In the meantime I'll be building the wall.

------------

I really just don't know why I should trust him on any of his proposals. As people constantly point out - he has FU money.

Posted by: SH at February 24, 2016 12:27 PM (gmeXX)

477 Did all these people with new handles just happen to show up, were lurking all along or are being sent here from the campaigns, because although regulars have strong opinions we certainly have a lot of people who seem like they just showed up to do campaign commercials.

It's going too be loooong time till the convention

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 24, 2016 12:27 PM (w4NZ8)

478
HUH?



18-24 year olds voted Obama 60% in 2012 and 18-29 voters went 66% for Obama in 2008.



Another one of these myths that continues to live.



Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 24, 2016 12:22 PM (0LHZx)

HUH?

She was referring to Baby Boomers rejecting Obama. I'm pretty damned sure there were no baby boomers aged 18-29 in 2008 OR 2012.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 24, 2016 12:27 PM (wtvvX)

479 Neu circular firing squad thread.

Mact schnell!

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 24, 2016 12:27 PM (2yQQy)

480 If Mario were Vice President he wouldn't bother going to anyone's funerals.

Posted by: Chupacabra at February 24, 2016 12:27 PM (V40IZ)

481 Trumpbots!
cruzfanboys!
Rubioidiots!
rino!
conservative pukes!

-
Food fight!

Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 24, 2016 12:27 PM (Nwg0u)

482 Trump is for "touchback amnesty". Deport them and they can then apply to come back in.

Amnesty.

Not sure what his "proposals" are inasmuch as his speeches are word salad.
Posted by: AmishDude


he's being a salesman.

Sort of like a "temporary" Muslim ban.

It sounds more palatable.

Trump has to know the one issue that got him the nomination and maybe the Presidency. The idea he throws that support all away seems far fetched

Posted by: Targus at February 24, 2016 12:28 PM (6ejxM)

483 Worst part? I'll bet the ticket ends up as Trump-Rubio. That's currently appears to be the smart electoral move. That ticket probably trounces Clinton, no matter who her Dummy-Mate is.
Posted by: Marcus T at February 24, 2016 12:19 PM (GGCsk)

I don't know about that.
Seems running mates since Cheney have been more or less insurance policies against the lead vote. Picking someone people might actually prefer would maybe work against having a long life.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 24, 2016 12:28 PM (kKHcp)

484 I like Cruz and have donated to him but I'm not curling up in a fetal position over his fading chance.


I'm close to it. As most of you know, I'm so past hope that I can't even see it in the rearview mirror but, for a fleeting moment, Ted roused an ember in my heart that this country could still elect a constitutional conservative, the Democratic slate being just that bad.

Me the fool, I guess.

Start the dance.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at February 24, 2016 12:28 PM (evdj2)

485 nood

Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at February 24, 2016 12:28 PM (bpn7O)

486 Nood.

Posted by: HH at February 24, 2016 12:28 PM (DrCtv)

487 466 too much navel-gazing on our side

look at the criminal Clinton and the clueless Sanders

their side is hell in a handbasket

Posted by: Feh at February 24, 2016 12:26 PM (ULAZq)


____________________________________________

This is the primaries. This is the time to naval gaze. We can thank the Dems for nominating an unelectable criminal, or socialist, after we choose our nominee.

Posted by: NotCoach at February 24, 2016 12:28 PM (rsudF)

488 Had Romney's ground game been like Bush in 2004, he would have won.
Posted by: Targus at February 24, 2016 12:24 PM (6ejxM)


Quite probably true. But "the campaign did a piss-poor job of getting every favorably inclined voter to the polls" is saying something quite different from saying "conservatives stayed home."

Posted by: filbert at February 24, 2016 12:28 PM (s5o+q)

489 I could get behind Rubio if he made one promise: that he would not attempt any sort of legalization until after he had worked dilligently to secure the border

This is exactly what he continuously repeats on the issue. He says nothing will be done until the border is secure and "we can prove to the people of this country that illegal immigration is under control". Even then he has laid out in his book, on his website (https://marcorubio.com/issues-2/marco-rubio-immigration-plan-border-security-legal/) and on the campaign trail what he wants to do and it is not amnesty under any definition.

I understand that you are all in for Cruz and that the 'gang of 8' has badly damaged Rubio's ability to be trusted on the issue, but to say he never lays out a plan is flatly incorrect.


And this is the problem. If Ace, etc. would just say "I don't care what he says, he's completely untrustworthy" that's better. Of course, it makes them sound petulant and childish which is why they don't say it.

Rubio has, rhetorically and in a very strong way, said exactly what you want him to say.

It's better than Hillary. Far better.

I'm fighting for the Republic here, I don't know what your revenge fantasies are all about.

Hell, we've slain Jeb. Do you have any earthly idea how gigantic that is? The "establishment" still doesn't know what to do over that one.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 24, 2016 12:28 PM (Xd2w5)

490 He got himself on the same side as the majority of Americans concerning the one issue they care about the most.

Posted by: OregonMuse at February 24, 2016 11:37 AM (0IYtm)


Exactly. It's not so much "Americans climbing on the Trump bandwagon" as it is "Trump saw a parade, and decided that somebody has to lead it."

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 24, 2016 12:29 PM (afR/C)

491 I just spent half an hour on the phone with a friend.

She was wondering if Trumps high numbers amongst Hispanics last night was due to his support of the little guy during his rise in power in New Jersey.

I countered with if there was any chance that they were responding to the illegal refugee crisis in Europe going on today.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 24, 2016 12:29 PM (ptqRm)

492 I think it was probably a joke-as in poor taste as it was. Otherwise, they wouldn't have the nic that they do.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 24, 2016 12:13 PM (w4NZ

Thank you guys for the words of calm....I've taken a deep breath.....

Part of being an experienced, older adult is having an inner voice, intuition, etc. Personally, I understand the vibe my FIL gets from Cruz. If I didn't know who Cruz was, I would peg him on looks alone as some weasly late night tv commercial lawyer. Or some slick salesman normally found standing in the booth at a trade show.

It's unfortunate. But human nature has given us judgement tendencies that start at physical looks. I think Cruz reminds my father in law of people in his past he has had negative experiences with and so he isn't going to be supportive unless he has no choice. He has said he would vote for him if he is the nominee, despite having reservations about him. He has no doubt that either Democrat candidate would continue the disaster.

Posted by: Jen the original at February 24, 2016 12:29 PM (gOsh1)

493 Trump is for "touchback amnesty". Deport them and they can then apply to come back in.



Amnesty.



Not sure what his "proposals" are inasmuch as his speeches are word salad.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 24, 2016 12:22 PM (Xd2w5)

That's the way LEGAL immigration works now. If someone is in the country on, e.g., a visitor's visa, to get permanent residency he has to go back to his country of origin and apply to come back in as a legal resident.
My wife had to do this back when, even though we were married before we arrived back here.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 24, 2016 12:29 PM (oKE6c)

494 "If you don't put a stop to illegal immigration, you'll windup with a permanent Democrat super-majority in the voting public, and all the other evils will come in due course. Immigration is an existential issue; it quite literally changes the face of the country. "

That's true about immigration, but it's not illegal immigration that is changing the country's demographics. It's legal immigration. 1.2 million new green cards are handed out every year, to 80-20 Dem voters. But no one is talking about this because they are all hypnotized by the shiny object of amnesty. All the attacks on Rubio and his Gang of 8 bill are for the amnesty, not the fact that the bill doubled legal immigartion, which is far worse than amnesty (and also far more unpopular than amnesty).

Posted by: Jon at February 24, 2016 12:30 PM (HA+/6)

495 Not just Hispanics, but also Somalis, and other assorted Muslim shitheads who in time will become a major problem as sure as God made green apples.
_______________________

The muzzie immigrants are already a major problem. See, e.g., Boston Marathon bombings, Ft. Hood shootings, San Bernardino shootings, 9/11 attacks, and various other attempted domestic attacks (such as the muzzie idiot who tried to use a shoe bomb to blow up a passenger plane).

All atrocities perpetrated by muzzie immigrants (or, in the case of the Ft. Hood shooter, offspring of muzzie immigrants), all done in the name of Islam -- and not because the muzzies lacked education or job opportunities or self esteem or any of that other garbage that Obama routinely trots out to try and rationalize muzzie violence and make it the fault of the victims.

There have already been dozens of "Minnesota" muzzies arrested for planning and/or training for terror attacks. It's just a matter of time before one of them is successful in pulling one off. And yet, our idiot government continues to import muzzies at a rate of hundreds of thousands a year. Who cares that they have pledged their allegiance to a political system that is completely antithetical to our own? It makes perfect sense to import millions of foreigners who would happily commit themselves to the destruction of all our most cherished freedoms, right?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at February 24, 2016 12:30 PM (df5V4)

496 477 Did all these people with new handles just happen to show up, were lurking all along or are being sent here from the campaigns, because although regulars have strong opinions we certainly have a lot of people who seem like they just showed up to do campaign commercials.

It's going too be loooong time till the convention
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 24, 2016 12:27 PM (w4NZ

It's Hot Air refugees, campaign shills, curious newbies, the usual sock puppets, and the occasional authentic de-institutionalized lunatic.

Posted by: Tessio at February 24, 2016 12:30 PM (RD7QR)

497 If Rubio wins, worst case, we get border security and then amnesty. Best case, he's so scared of the issue, he doesn't bother with it, what with the nuclear war in the Middle East and all.

Posted by: AmishDude


Stop bogarting the good stuff. Puff puff pass.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at February 24, 2016 12:30 PM (9krrF)

498 448 Haven't read all the comments, so I'm probably repeating someone. But I have to ask: why bother to ask Rubio what his policy is, when you can't believe what he says?

And what, exactly, is wrong with Trump's policy? Fear of jack-boots? Really?
Posted by: One-Eyed Cat Peeping in the Seafood Store at February 24, 2016 12:22 PM (aeVIR)


Because Trump's "policy" is to elect Hillary.

Otherwise, it's a lot of "it's gonna be great" hot air.

It's nothing. Trump is an actual con man. You're so used to somewhat slimy politicians that you don't grasp a full-on liar when you see it.

If Trump stumbles in the WH (which he won't, he's working for Hillary), he'll have fabulous touchback amnesty.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 24, 2016 12:31 PM (Xd2w5)

499 i have had terrifying dreams where i wake up crying
and panting. am up for an hour, lay back down fall asleep and resume
the freakin nightmare!

Posted by: willow


Is that because you are ne-kid in front of the whole blog?

Posted by: Paladin (Moderately Nefarious) at February 24, 2016 12:31 PM (DPvCq)

500 Bah. Sockoff.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at February 24, 2016 12:31 PM (RD7QR)

501 Trump is pulling numbers and demographics no Republican has in at least the last two general elections. Remember that was against Obama, whom people loathed and we still could not get these numbers.

Now think about when there is one candidate, how that effects the race.

Frankly, I think it's starting to look good for Trump. Very good.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 24, 2016 12:31 PM (GGCsk)

502 370 American millenials may choose to blaze their own path.
Unlike the fucking baby boomers.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 24, 2016 12:06 PM (xuouz)

Right. The millennials have, as a whole, swallowed every single left-wing piece of shit their profs have thrown their way - socialism? YAY! Nanny government? YAY! War on Women? Oh you bet! Multiculturalism- wonderful!

They've not only swallowed it, they're showing there willing to take it even further than the oldsters did. Look at any college campus.

Real independent thinkers you've got there.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at February 24, 2016 12:31 PM (u0lmX)

503 499 i have had terrifying dreams where i wake up crying
and panting. am up for an hour, lay back down fall asleep and resume
the freakin nightmare!

Posted by: willow

Is that because you are ne-kid in front of the whole blog?


Posted by: Paladin (Moderately Nefarious) at February 24, 2016 12:31 PM (DPvCq)

It's because the ghosts were watching her fap.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at February 24, 2016 12:32 PM (u0lmX)

504
For the first time in the 2016 primary season, media entrance polls
showed that a majority of voters, 57 percent of Nevada caucus-goers,
said they were "angry" with the federal government



I'd love to see the numbers showing how many of those people are "angry" at the MFM.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 24, 2016 12:33 PM (X6fMO)

505 If Clinton/Sanders/Trump win, we get full-on amnesty.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 24, 2016 12:17 PM (Xd2w5) ´
_____

The thing is: a GOP Congress may block a Clinton/Sanders amnesty out of pure partisanship. Rubio would probably get it through. Thats why Rubio is in some respects worse than a Democrat winning.

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at February 24, 2016 12:35 PM (hcSoJ)

506 I don't think you can make broad assumptions and stereotype an entire generation.

Except Millenials.

They will be the death of us.

All the other generations have redeeming qualities and Baby Boomers (which I'm not one of) were not all living in Communes like the MSM would have you believe.

Posted by: Targus at February 24, 2016 12:36 PM (6ejxM)

507 Maybe if the Interviewer didn't ask the same freaking question 8 times, Rubio wouldn't have to give the same freaking answer 8 freaking times

whatever

Posted by: Uncle Rick at February 24, 2016 12:36 PM (gugzg)

508
I for one choose to believe that Rubio, perhaps naively, believed in the spirit of a collegial Senate

If the Cuban Combover was actually so much of a mush-headed simpleton as to believe that, he shouldn't be allowed to handle anything sharper than a rubber ball, let alone run for president.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 24, 2016 12:37 PM (X6fMO)

509 Trump wins, we get...full on amnesty? I must be reading the wrong proposals and watching alien TV.


Posted by: Marcus T at February 24, 2016 12:21 PM (GGCsk)
________________________________________
Do you believe everything you read or see on T.V.?

Posted by: Mom at February 24, 2016 12:37 PM (aRUb8)

510 Ace, excited you are writing! Some good advice by David Farland, the author whisperer:

https://mystorydoctor.com/whats-in-your-secret-sauce/

Posted by: LizLem at February 24, 2016 12:38 PM (hvf9s)

511 I don't like any of the candidates now, but Cruz is beginning to grow on me.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 24, 2016 11:49 AM (8PbKi)


They make an ointment for that.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 24, 2016 12:38 PM (afR/C)

512 the continents are thirsty like Bounty.


Posted by: Anna Puma

Mistah CHRISTIAN!!!

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 24, 2016 12:39 PM (xq1UY)

513 415 Okay, so Rubio is soft on immigration. Is Rubio more likely than say, Hillary, to appoint a SCOTUS judge that will vote for firearms confiscation?



No idea. Very possible.
GHWB gave us the one that raped our medical insurance.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 24, 2016 12:21 PM
(JWzxO)
........
Not a fan of Mario or ITrump, but there is absolutely NO way we can have Shrillary or Bern appointing a Marxist as SCOTUS.

Posted by: redridinghood at February 24, 2016 12:39 PM (7GQM/)

514 Did all these people with new handles just happen to show up, were lurking all along or are being sent here from the campaigns, because although regulars have strong opinions we certainly have a lot of people who seem like they just showed up to do campaign commercials.

It's going too be loooong time till the convention
___
I'm a long time lurker who wasn't able to access the comments section while at work until recently. Still haven't done any campaign commercials. Mostly in the "All for Cruz but my tendency toward agnosticism gets put off by his tendency toward preacherismcamp, then if not Cruz I guess I will vote Trump but I don't really trust him to actually be a conservative on the issues I am conservative on and I think he sounds like a big dummy far too often to be the leader of this fine nation, not sure what to do if Mario gets the nom since he has completely blown it with one of the two issues I view as pivotal (the other being PPACA...which he was kind enough to throw a wrench in the orks of) and screw him cuz he is the One and I am sick of being told who to vote for"-camp.

Anyway...howdy.

Posted by: ajmojo at February 24, 2016 12:40 PM (1H9ox)

515 @513, exactly.

Posted by: auscolpyr at February 24, 2016 12:41 PM (suO/a)

516 If the Cuban Combover was actually so much of a mush-headed simpleton as to believe that, he shouldn't be allowed to handle anything sharper than a rubber ball, let alone run for president.
---

Heh.

I'm stunned that the political class that loves Rubio so much looks around at the Trump phenomenon - not to mention the popularity of Sanders - and thinks that the best way to win voters is to run the guy bragging about how many Senators he has endorsing him.

What makes them think that voters are clamoring for more of the same?

It's lunacy.

Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at February 24, 2016 12:41 PM (t5zYU)

517 Anyone catch the video of Beck giving his speech in Nevada at a caucus location when Trump entered the building?

Beck was just ramping up with his "Trump supporters are brown shirts" bit when the crowd noticed Trump and many ran over to him chanting Trump,Trump,Trump.
That of course leads one to ask. Does Beck/Cruz have any idea who the people are that they are talking to and calling brown shirts and idiots and such?
Seemed quite apparent that Beck was surrounded by the very people he disrespects and never even knew it.

Posted by: Drider at February 24, 2016 12:42 PM (bdzyz)

518 It's Hot Air refugees,...................
Posted by: Tessio at February 24, 2016 12:30 PM (RD7QR)

___________________________________________________________
I've heard that may be the case. Has anyone actually seen any of those HotGas losers over here?I hope not, because they can really stink a place up bad. Morrisey had to chase them away a book of faces or something like that.

Posted by: Mimzey at February 24, 2016 12:44 PM (aRUb8)

519 If the GOP chooses Cruz, I'll vote for him.

Trump could end up being better than Reagan or worse than Obama. Or both. Or neither. So he's out.

Rubio tarred himself with his amnesty efforts. My family has been through the legal immigration process several times since 1875. Two of my relatives, with advanced degrees in Chemistry and Teaching have been waiting for an interview since 2004. After the Gang of Eight fiasco, Rubio wouldn't get my vote for janitor at the local 7-11.

No one else from either party is even that close (Carson separated himself with remarks on banning certain firearms), so go do what you want GOP. :-)

Posted by: setnaffa at February 24, 2016 12:48 PM (BtRXi)

520 Posted by: ThunderB at February 24, 2016 12:26 PM

People are free to disagree with me, and I don't think it equals ignorance. What I have an issue with is saying that all you want is Rubio to have a plan, while ignoring the plan he has set forth. If you want to say that you cannot trust him to enact that plan, fine, but don't pretend he is not saying the things you claim to want him to say.

Posted by: Notunderabushel at February 24, 2016 12:49 PM (a5375)

521 Rubio ran as a tea party darling and abandoned ship almost as soon as he was elected.

I don't care what his "current" position is. Treat me like a punk and lie to me, no second chance.

Posted by: Frank at February 24, 2016 12:52 PM (W71pZ)

522 don't pretend he is not saying the things you claim to want him to say.


Posted by: Notunderabushel at February 24, 2016 12:49 PM (a5375)
_____________________________________________________
Are you talking about Trump?

Posted by: Guy who always asks a question at February 24, 2016 12:52 PM (aRUb8)

523 516 If the Cuban Combover was actually so much of a mush-headed simpleton as to believe that, he shouldn't be allowed to handle anything sharper than a rubber ball, let alone run for president.
---
I never knew Trump was Cuban. I guess we have 3 Hispanics in the lead as the Republican nominee... and yet they call us racists.

Posted by: redridinghood at February 24, 2016 12:53 PM (7GQM/)

524
I think the GOP estabs have done the job of hurting Cruz, but it hasn't helped the Rubiot. Those voters just moved over to Trump. The estabs want a 2 man race with Trump.

I think if either Cruz or Rubiot stays in for the long term, neither can win.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 24, 2016 12:55 PM (ODxAs)

525 I never knew Trump was Cuban. I guess we have 3
Hispanics in the lead as the Republican nominee..

Posted by: redridinghood at February 24, 2016 12:53 PM (7GQM/)
___________________________________________________
LIAR!!.....your are a nasty liar...just nasty.

Posted by: Donald Trump at February 24, 2016 12:56 PM (aRUb8)

526 HUH?

18-24 year olds voted Obama 60% in 2012 and 18-29 voters went 66% for Obama in 2008.

Another one of these myths that continues to live.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 24, 2016 12:22 PM (0LHZx)


Those cohorts aren't Boomers. The boomer generation comprises those born between 1945 and 1960, basically.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 24, 2016 01:12 PM (afR/C)

527 It's nothing. Trump is an actual con man. You're so used to somewhat slimy politicians that you don't grasp a full-on liar when you see it.

If Trump stumbles in the WH (which he won't, he's working for Hillary), he'll have fabulous touchback amnesty.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 24, 2016 12:31 PM (Xd2w5)


How much is Trump paying you to make his opponents look bad?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 24, 2016 01:20 PM (afR/C)

528 Whatever Rubio says his immigration plans are, they will change once he gains office and the Chamber of Commerce let's him know what is actually acceptable to them.

Rubio is a phony and completely unacceptable for President. Can you imagine him in the same room with Putin? He'd be a puddle when Vlad was through.

Posted by: kay at February 24, 2016 01:25 PM (hi6XG)

529 Cruz is the only one with any realistic chance of bridging the gap between Trump supporters and Rubio supporters. Neither of the other two candidates can say the same.

CRUZ 2016!!

Posted by: Laugh it up, Fuzzball! at February 24, 2016 01:28 PM (Es7YA)

530 LIAR!!.....your are a nasty liar...just nasty.
Posted by: Donald Trump at February 24, 2016 12:56 PM (aRUb

Donald if you really want to brighten your day may I recommend a youtube video.
Just google- Josh Gad's "I Touch Myself" VS. Kaley Cuoco I'm A Slave for U Lip Sync Battle Spike video

ENJOY!

Posted by: redridinghood at February 24, 2016 01:54 PM (7GQM/)

531 Rubio : "If we prove illegal immigration is finally under control, Americans will respond in a responsible way."

Excuse me but what the hell does that mean?

Posted by: Myshiba at February 24, 2016 02:33 PM (Yi9Gb)

532 if trump is dumb enough to offer rubio the robt vp.....he won't get my vote

Posted by: Myshiba at February 24, 2016 02:43 PM (Yi9Gb)

533 What if :
It's too late already, and Rubio and the establishment know it.
That the DOJ is rolling over for illegals to vote in this election (see nro article in sidebar) and that it can't be stopped.
What if he is just hedging his bets because the establishment is on board with DOJ etc. and Rubio is aware of these facts that are not available yet.
THEN, his behavior is perfectly logical, clever even.

Posted by: Trumpsters at February 24, 2016 03:25 PM (9HJf4)

534 "Choose Cruz."

Sorry, that ship has sailed. One bitter lesson we have learned this election cycle is that the GOP base isn't nearly as conservative as we thought. The base is bewitched by an America-loving liberal Democrat-turned Republican, and nothing will shake them out of their spell.

God help us.

Posted by: JeffP at February 24, 2016 03:53 PM (gRt0C)

535 Ace Do you thin Cruz is the face of God?

Posted by: Arkansas Yankee at February 25, 2016 01:05 AM (Je4OY)

536 I have a theory. No candidate of either major party will do jack shit to either secure the borders or to enforce immigration law.

Their masters have spoken and they will obey.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at February 25, 2016 01:14 AM (Dttnn)

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