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Pope Francis: Anyone Who Builds Walls Is Not a Christian
Apparently Christian brotherhood also requires an Open Borders policy.
Thrusting himself into the combative 2016 presidential campaign, Pope Francis said Thursday that GOP frontrunner Donald Trump "is not Christian" if he calls for the deportation of undocumented immigrants and pledges to build a wall between the United States and Mexico. The Pope, who was traveling back to Rome from Mexico, where he urged the United States to address the "humanitarian crisis" on its southern border, declined to say whether American Catholics should vote for Trump. But Francis left little doubt where he stood on the polarizing issue of immigration reform. "A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian. This is not in the gospel," the Pope told journalists who asked his opinion on Trump's proposals to halt illegal immigration. Trump immediately fired back on Thursday, calling Francis' comments "disgraceful."Trump then added a bunch of blustery Trump stuff. Still, I think he's right. There are a lot of conservative Catholic Francis apologists pretending right now that this is entirely metaphorical, and when Francis speaks of "building walls" he means only metaphorical walls. Rather than, as is obvious, physical walls, with the metaphor of divisions between Christian fellowship attached to those walls. There's also the matter that he seemed to have been asked specifically about Trump. This is a socialist/internationalist conceit -- that the third world has the right to pick up and move itself to America, if it wants to, and that it is evil, wrong, racist, and now also unchristian for America to insist upon its borders and insist that it gets to decide who gets to come here and become a citizen. And of course it's not just Francis who's convinced of this socialist/internationalist conceit -- it's the WSJ, it's all the Democrat Party, and it's half of the Republican Party too. The Full Question and Response. Here. This is not nearly as baffling and esoteric as some are pretending it to be. One guy said he's tired of having people attempting to "popesplain" Francis' very clear, and very left-leaning, religio-political claims. Rubio? Via Hot Air, Rubio actually weighs in on this -- against the Pope's position.
Rubio: "Vatican city controls who comes in and how they come in as a sovereign state" says US is most compassionate country in world
— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) February 18, 2016
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Arson Wells at February 18, 2016 01:56 PM (UnJ7w)
Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at February 18, 2016 01:56 PM (bpn7O)
Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at February 18, 2016 01:57 PM (bpn7O)
Posted by: Hillary at February 18, 2016 01:58 PM (qSIlh)
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Posted by: Hillary at February 18, 2016 01:58 PM (qSIlh)
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Posted by: The Onion editors at February 18, 2016 01:59 PM (KUaJL)
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 18, 2016 01:59 PM (NHQQx)
Posted by: donna at February 18, 2016 02:00 PM (/dSsq)
Posted by: ejo at February 18, 2016 02:00 PM (il4FI)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 18, 2016 02:00 PM (Qvgg/)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 18, 2016 02:00 PM (AA6QE)
MURICA!
Posted by: President Donald Herbert Mountain Dew Comancho Trump at February 18, 2016 02:01 PM (Eaeqs)
Posted by: ThunderB at February 18, 2016 02:01 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: garrett at February 18, 2016 02:01 PM (91LL3)
I'm sure he just still has his boxers in a twist over that whole Mayflower protestants thing.
Posted by: Flyguy at February 18, 2016 02:01 PM (3sOO0)
This guy sure is intent on making his enemies list, isn't he?
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at February 18, 2016 02:01 PM (eytER)
But other than that I go to the Pope for religious...oh wait, I'm not Catholic.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Adopt a Hot Air Refugee, get free pack of Argue-Mints at the Outrage Outlet! at February 18, 2016 02:01 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 18, 2016 02:01 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Bruce Jennings at February 18, 2016 02:01 PM (qSIlh)
"For he said to Judah, "Let us build these cities and surround them with walls and towers, gates and bars. The land is still ours because we have sought the LORD our God; we have sought Him, and He has given us rest on every side." So they built and prospered."
Posted by: fixerupper at February 18, 2016 02:01 PM (8XRCm)
This pope should be deposed for all his outrageous statements. His IQ can't be much over 100.
Posted by: BiblicalScholar at February 18, 2016 02:01 PM (eXTZt)
Posted by: Pope Frank at February 18, 2016 02:02 PM (QM5S2)
Posted by: Fr. Daniel Berrigan at February 18, 2016 02:02 PM (TnUKj)
Posted by: Pope Social Justice at February 18, 2016 02:02 PM (MJuTN)
This Pope brings the shame, I'm afraid.
Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at February 18, 2016 02:02 PM (bpn7O)
Cordially...
Posted by: Rick at February 18, 2016 02:02 PM (uRIYq)
Posted by: ThunderB at February 18, 2016 02:03 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at February 18, 2016 02:03 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: doug at February 18, 2016 02:03 PM (Y7fRE)
Funny, usually it's the socialist and communist cocksuckers that insist on building walls......except with the machine guns pointed inwards.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 18, 2016 02:03 PM (S7qKa)
Posted by: donna at February 18, 2016 02:03 PM (/dSsq)
Although this Pope is doing his best to discourage the believers. Just like the Anglican Church has done to its adherents.
Posted by: rd at February 18, 2016 02:03 PM (v0YLX)
the right to pick up and move itself to America, if it wants to, and
that it is evil, wrong, racist, and now also unchristian for America to
insist upon its borders and insist that it gets to decide who gets to
come here and become a citizen.
Absolutely. Everyone should have the right to come here to be oppressed, subjected to our destruction of the climate, our virulent racism, sexism, homophobia, Islamophobia, and hell, polar bear phobia. /leftists everywhere
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 18, 2016 02:04 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Donald Trump's Pious Forehead Merkin at February 18, 2016 02:04 PM (91LL3)
Another endorsement for Trump.
Go Trump!
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 18, 2016 02:04 PM (sbCWj)
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at February 18, 2016 02:04 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Father Guido Sarducci at February 18, 2016 02:04 PM (JO9+V)
When people were being slaughtered by the commies and slaughtered by the junta in Argentina what did Francis do ? Anything? No? Did he object to the strong presence and love of everything nazi in Argentina? What's Christian like about nazism?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 18, 2016 02:04 PM (iQIUe)
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/39822588.jpg
Probably a repeat post.
Posted by: Mark in Portland at February 18, 2016 02:05 PM (QJBko)
Posted by: ThunderB at February 18, 2016 02:05 PM (zOTsN)
Am I right???
Posted by: Lizzy at February 18, 2016 02:05 PM (NOIQH)
You're bad, Cuba, for being mean to people, and the US was bad for condemning that and taking action to change it, as well. See, I'm even handed!
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 18, 2016 02:05 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 18, 2016 02:05 PM (sbCWj)
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 18, 2016 02:05 PM (t2KH5)
Posted by: C at February 18, 2016 02:05 PM (z8pC5)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 18, 2016 02:05 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 18, 2016 02:05 PM (S2VsH)
He does but it's not reported.
Posted by: DaveA at February 18, 2016 02:05 PM (DL2i+)
Inconsistent little Argie, ain't he?
Posted by: MrScribbler at February 18, 2016 02:06 PM (JPmdJ)
re 16: I am an alter boy!
Posted by: Bruce Jennings at February 18, 2016 02:01 PM (qSIlh)
Polite golf clap.
Posted by: Count de Monet at February 18, 2016 02:06 PM (JO9+V)
Posted by: ep at February 18, 2016 02:06 PM (XumW2)
Posted by: Bigby's Whatever Hands at February 18, 2016 02:06 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Fritz at February 18, 2016 02:06 PM (UzPAd)
Posted by: Arson Wells at February 18, 2016 02:06 PM (UnJ7w)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 18, 2016 02:06 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: washrivergal at February 18, 2016 02:06 PM (CFc5L)
Rubio better be very, very careful how he handles it.
Posted by: MaxMBJ at February 18, 2016 02:06 PM (eXTZt)
Pope Francis! Tear down that wall!
Give the riches amassed by the Catholic Church in Rome over centuries away to the poor and oppressed!
Posted by: Cheri at February 18, 2016 02:06 PM (oiNtH)
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 18, 2016 02:06 PM (t2KH5)
Posted by: garrett at February 18, 2016 02:06 PM (91LL3)
Tell her what she's won, Don Pardo!!!
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 18, 2016 02:07 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: donna at February 18, 2016 02:07 PM (/dSsq)
And of course it's not just Francis who's convinced of this socialist/internationalist conceit -- it's the WSJ, it's all the Democrat Party, and it's half of the Republican Party too.
Yup.
Everyone on the planet has the right to come to America to live and how dare you say otherwise you bigot!
You know, once upon a time, I would say that hey I support open borders. But what I meant was that I supported a fairly expansive legal immigration system that required assimilation and that started from the proposition that we don't have to let in a single person if we do not want. You know, open borders meaning a workable immigration system as opposed to closed borders meaning no one gets in.
I was younger then. Stupider. So so stupider.
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 18, 2016 02:07 PM (mf5HN)
He won't confront the real evil in Mexico but take instead takes shots at Trump.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 18, 2016 02:07 PM (sbCWj)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at February 18, 2016 02:07 PM (eXTZt)
Posted by: Bigby's Whatever Hands at February 18, 2016 02:06 PM (3ZtZW)
What do you know Bigby? You don't even speak Latin!
Posted by: Arson Wells at February 18, 2016 02:07 PM (UnJ7w)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 18, 2016 02:07 PM (LUgeY)
Posted by: Tyrconnell at February 18, 2016 02:07 PM (jeKFO)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 18, 2016 02:07 PM (iQIUe)
I'm not Catholic, but I vote this Pope is a real piece of work. There was obviously a reason there hadn't been a Latin-American pope picked in forever. We're seeing why now. Evidently the Latin-Am Catholic Church has a bit of a "perspective " issue.
Posted by: Yip at February 18, 2016 02:07 PM (e7T6D)
Posted by: KhanCzerntrahl at February 18, 2016 02:07 PM (/tR3J)
Flunky: "It's the Trump! He's getting closer!"
Chair: "It must be stopped! Deploy the Jebbattleship!"
Flunky: "It's been sunk!"
Chair: "Launch the Cruz missile!"
Flunky: "Shot down!"
Chair: "Release the Rubiobot!"
Flunky: "Taken out!"
Chair: "Send in the Kasich!"
Flunky: "The What?"
Chair: "Oh yeah, that never got off the drawing board."
Flunky: "We're doomed!"
Chair: "No we are not! I call upon Pope-Man to save us!"
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Adopt a Hot Air Refugee, get free pack of Argue-Mints at the Outrage Outlet! at February 18, 2016 02:08 PM (hLRSq)
"From Dusk to Dawn"?
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 18, 2016 02:08 PM (NHQQx)
off. If I catch any of you guys in my stuff, I'll kill you. Also, I
don't like nobody touching me. Now, any of you homos touch me, and I'll
kill you.
Posted by: Pope "Psycho" Francis at February 18, 2016 02:08 PM (EVi2J)
Posted by: Stu Podaso at February 18, 2016 02:08 PM (FVRcb)
Posted by: Hillary at February 18, 2016 02:08 PM (qSIlh)
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You think he called out the Castros for their non
Christian behavior? How about the Mexican government for being in bed
with the cartels? Does the pope think chopping up people is Christian?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 18, 2016 01:57 PM (iQIUe)
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I
do not like to say this, and I do so hesitatingly. From my perspective,
which is limited, it appears that leftist ideology is governing what
comes out of Pope Francis's mouth, more than the call of the gospel to
unbelievers, and encouragement and solid doctrine for believers.
Posted by: grammie winger, likes walls, going to hell at February 18, 2016 02:08 PM (dFi94)
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Nope. Selling your cloak to buy a sword is though. And an Apostle hacking off the ear of a Centurion with a sword when he trespassed. We can go that way, if you want.
Posted by: Bigby's Whatever Hands at February 18, 2016 02:08 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 18, 2016 02:08 PM (Nwg0u)
What difference does it make?
You don't have the interface or the software to converse in Latin.
Posted by: C3BIO at February 18, 2016 02:08 PM (91LL3)
most religious conservatives are not Catholic
this will change ZERO votes
Posted by: ThunderB at February 18, 2016 02:08 PM (zOTsN)
That anyone who was interested in building walls instead of bridges was not a Christian.
I just checked a concordance. The King James Version, Old and New Testaments, has over 160 references to "walls."
Not one single bridge.
SO, he's not speaking scripturally. He must have gotten an e-mail or something.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 18, 2016 02:08 PM (xq1UY)
casinos on the Mexican border not only would it be much more humane, but
we might actually be able to balance a fucking budget within 4 years.
Posted by: Fritz at February 18, 2016 02:06 PM (UzPAd)
They'll be open From Dusk Till Dawn!
Posted by: Count de Monet at February 18, 2016 02:08 PM (JO9+V)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at February 18, 2016 02:09 PM (1ijHg)
Vatican City is surrounded by a wall.
Pope Francis! Tear down that wall!
Give the riches amassed by the Catholic Church in Rome over centuries away to the poor and oppressed!
Posted by: Cheri at February 18, 2016 02:06 PM (oiNtH)
I don't blame him. Stampeding cattle are hell on the carpet.
Posted by: Black Bart (in disguise) at February 18, 2016 02:09 PM (S7qKa)
Posted by: President Donald Herbert Mountain Dew Comancho Trump at February 18, 2016 02:09 PM (Eaeqs)
Posted by: Pope Social Justice at February 18, 2016 02:09 PM (MJuTN)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 18, 2016 02:09 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: donna at February 18, 2016 02:00 PM (/dSsq)
Here's what you say:
Pope Commie is masquerading as an angel of light.
See if anybody get its, especially Catholics.
Posted by: Blano at February 18, 2016 02:09 PM (3eoPa)
Posted by: NCKate at February 18, 2016 02:09 PM (aA5gp)
Posted by: Bigby's Whatever Hands at February 18, 2016 02:09 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: ace at February 18, 2016 02:09 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at February 18, 2016 02:10 PM (eXTZt)
Posted by: no good deed at February 18, 2016 02:10 PM (GgxVX)
The Cardinals. I think they're pretty much in charge, and he goes around making public statements they okay.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 18, 2016 02:10 PM (39g3+)
Otherwise, he has as much authority as any random Tom, Dick, or Harry you might encounter on the street.
Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at February 18, 2016 02:10 PM (bpn7O)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 18, 2016 02:10 PM (iQIUe)
I am and he is a real piece of work.
Jesus hung out with the poor not with the evil.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 18, 2016 02:10 PM (sbCWj)
I'll believe that the "open borders" crowd is sincere when they go home, remove their front door from its hinges and start allowing anyone who wishes to, to enter their house.
Until then they can STFD and STFU and stop telling me how to live.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 18, 2016 02:10 PM (LUgeY)
Posted by: Bigby's Whatever Hands at February 18, 2016 02:06 PM (3ZtZW)
Drat you to heck!
*mops tea off The Rack*
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 18, 2016 02:11 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: WOPR at February 18, 2016 02:11 PM (VpDqm)
If Francis wants to climb down into the electoral mud pit on encouraging immigration into the southern U.S., God bless him and lets go.
I'd love to hear his full argument. You know, something beyond the middle ages argument of hellfire and damnation for anyone not on his side of the fight.
Posted by: MTF at February 18, 2016 02:11 PM (TxJGV)
Posted by: Prez 4-putt at February 18, 2016 02:11 PM (JO9+V)
just sayin'
Posted by: ace at February 18, 2016 02:11 PM (dciA+)
Trump can be a complete asshole and still be entitled to better than the leader of an entire religion publicly questioning his faith.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 18, 2016 02:11 PM (8PbKi)
Posted by: cool breeze at February 18, 2016 02:12 PM (ckvus)
Posted by: Martin F'ng Luther at February 18, 2016 02:12 PM (t06LC)
Posted by: Bear stuck in the woods. at February 18, 2016 02:12 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: The Good Stuff Donald Trump Says At Debates at February 18, 2016 02:12 PM (UnJ7w)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 18, 2016 02:12 PM (XtAzU)
==============================================
From Jazz Shaw on Twitter:
New snap poll shows Trump leading Pope Francis in South Carolina 43-17 for next Pontiff, most ready to deal with Satan, 59-31.
Posted by: Doomberg at February 18, 2016 02:12 PM (LRuoq)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at February 18, 2016 02:12 PM (mEZce)
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Adopt a Hot Air Refugee, get free pack of Argue-Mints at the Outrage Outlet! at February 18, 2016 02:12 PM (hLRSq)
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Or the Islamists sneaking across the border.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 18, 2016 02:12 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 18, 2016 02:10 PM (39g3+)
Wait, when did Rome get put in the NL Central?
Fucking Selig.
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 18, 2016 02:12 PM (mf5HN)
***
And now, with Zika, he's okay with birth control too.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 18, 2016 02:12 PM (8PbKi)
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at February 18, 2016 02:12 PM (iONHu)
Posted by: Bigby's Whatever Hands at February 18, 2016 02:06 PM (3ZtZW)
Hahahaha! So true! Hahahaha
Posted by: Iblis at February 18, 2016 02:12 PM (9221z)
Then they're sunk. The Cardinals haven't been effective at anything since Tony La Russa left.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at February 18, 2016 02:12 PM (eytER)
Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 18, 2016 02:08 PM (xq1UY)
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See post 23
Posted by: fixerupper at February 18, 2016 02:12 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: rebel flounder at February 18, 2016 02:13 PM (3dOE/)
Posted by: Trump at February 18, 2016 02:13 PM (MJuTN)
So the Democrats will follow with "there is no separation of church and state anymore" right? It's okay to pray in school and put up the Ten Commandments on government property now. And leave crosses in VA cemeteries... etc.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 18, 2016 02:13 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 18, 2016 02:13 PM (2PHKP)
Posted by: MTF at February 18, 2016 02:13 PM (TxJGV)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 18, 2016 02:13 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Feh at February 18, 2016 02:13 PM (dlvSM)
Posted by: ThunderB at February 18, 2016 02:13 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: ahem at February 18, 2016 02:13 PM (lKGzI)
Posted by: ThunderB at February 18, 2016 02:08 PM
Hope you're right, but when the Big Guy lays down a rap like this, won't there be plenty of socially-just priests who, accepting his infallibility, will spend next Sunday repeating it to their flocks and exhorting them to Go And Do Likewise?
Posted by: MrScribbler at February 18, 2016 02:14 PM (JPmdJ)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 18, 2016 02:14 PM (ptqRm)
Not one single bridge.
Latin pontific-, pontifex, from pont-, pons bridge + facere to make
Posted by: Bear stuck in the woods. at February 18, 2016 02:14 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at February 18, 2016 02:14 PM (7FH+T)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 18, 2016 02:14 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: MTF at February 18, 2016 02:14 PM (TxJGV)
Posted by: MTF at February 18, 2016 02:11 PM (TxJGV)
No. Hell no. I would rather have a root canal than watch that verbal lobotomy.
Posted by: Arson Wells at February 18, 2016 02:14 PM (UnJ7w)
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Or the Islamists sneaking across the border.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 18, 2016 02:12 PM (Nwg0u)
About the cartels and Mexican corruption he did. It doesn't get reported here. He even went after priests for being too cozy with the elites. The Islamist stuff he didn't say anything. Probably because he thinks that's a middle east thing.
Posted by: Iblis at February 18, 2016 02:14 PM (9221z)
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 18, 2016 02:15 PM (sbCWj)
Sure, there are formidable walls elsewhere. But if that counts as "surrounding" Vatican City, then the U.S.-Mexico border is completely secured, as it has a wall in some places.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at February 18, 2016 02:15 PM (xRA8Q)
Its possible he also condemns those things, but it does seem like he reserves his greatest condemnation and disapproval for immigration controls. Which, really, of all the choices a supposed Christian leader could make, seems odd to me.
Which is worse:
-limiting who gets to move into an area
-murdering babies and directly violating the Bible on marriage and sexual morality?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 18, 2016 02:15 PM (39g3+)
Whoever has been to the Vatican know, and the Sistine Chapel, and all that (especially the gift shop! /snark). Walls, walls, security, tickets, expensive, long lines, and security and walls...
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 18, 2016 02:15 PM (qCMvj)
Is it ever, at any time, the responsibility of the governments of Latin America to address the humanitarian crisis? Why are they never scolded for not creating the conditions for their citizens to prosper? Those are rhetorical questions, obviously.
As a Catholic, I would not object if the IRS were to re-classify the Church as a political organization (401-c4, or whatever it is). In fact, I think the days of tax deductibility of charitable contributions needs to draw to a close. Everything is political now.
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at February 18, 2016 02:15 PM (nFdGS)
Posted by: Gidder Dunne at February 18, 2016 02:15 PM (K/MPD)
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at February 18, 2016 02:12 PM (eytER)
*nods sagely*
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 18, 2016 02:15 PM (mf5HN)
******
Kudos to Ace for not using this opportunity to blame this on "Amnesty Party Candidate Marco Rubio," then telling a bunch of water drinking jokes. He must be having a good day.
But anyway, yes, the Pope is very left leaning. Are there any conservatives who aren't aware of this fact yet? Even the Catholic ones should be acknowledging this blatant truth by now.
Posted by: Vyce at February 18, 2016 02:15 PM (Xylma)
I am and he is a real piece of work.
Jesus hung out with the poor not with the evil.
***
I'm not Catholic but, as an adult, have more frequently attended mass than Protestant services. I had great reverence for John Paul II and, frankly, for the position of Pope itself, until now.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 18, 2016 02:15 PM (8PbKi)
Not anymore --- the recent influx of immigrants in Europe has a lot of Lefties over there claiming the same thing: no borders, we *must* take in all of these poor refugees! Emma Thompson just said as much in recent days.
Posted by: Lizzy at February 18, 2016 02:15 PM (NOIQH)
Trump should say something along those lines...he could turn this from a angry shouting match into a hilarious big win for him.
Trumo should then muse about putting his imperial family crest (I am sure he has invented one for himself) on the new "Trump Wall" to give it the grandeur the "Pope Wall" has.
Posted by: William Eaton at February 18, 2016 02:16 PM (q52Ma)
The designated hitter? I don't know about the Pope, but my parish priest is a definite against.
Posted by: no good deed at February 18, 2016 02:16 PM (GgxVX)
Posted by: Zombie Martin Luther at February 18, 2016 02:16 PM (oKE6c)
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Yeah, of course Islam is a middle eastern problem. Even though they're murdering Catholics/ Christians on a daily basis, Pope Francis the Red is OK with it, because God = Allah.
Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at February 18, 2016 02:16 PM (7FH+T)
I think he fears for Roman Catholics world wide if he says too much. The same mistake was made in the middle of the 20th century by another ill named pope as well.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 18, 2016 02:16 PM (39g3+)
The RCC has particular has specific dogma about infallibility. It does not include political pronouncements given by the Pope, but of course priests will say whatever their conscience/prayer life tells them to say in response to the lectionary (Biblical readings) of the particular Sunday
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 18, 2016 02:16 PM (w4NZ8)
You called?
Posted by: Martin F'ng Luther at February 18, 2016 02:12 PM (t06LC)
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I laughed
Posted by: grammie winger, likes walls, going to hell at February 18, 2016 02:16 PM (dFi94)
Murder and displacement of Christians in mid east.
The forcing of Christians to support gay marriage.
The forcing of Christians to support abortion.
The gutting of Catholic Charities bc of their adoption policies.
etc, etc....
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 18, 2016 02:17 PM (iQIUe)
Not new. JP2 was the aberration, temporarily overshadowing Liberation Theology.
They've been running the whole show since him. Bummer for US Catholics.
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 18, 2016 02:17 PM (C9pBZ)
I'm in favor of this approach. Let's build a really bitchin' wall, and a bridge to get around it for guests, the talented, and true refugees.
He also said he doesn't know Trump's full plan, so he'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at February 18, 2016 02:17 PM (IRqa0)
ok, as long as the pope is throwing stones
when can the rest of the world get a look at that infamously sketchy Vatican bookkeeping
Posted by: ThunderB at February 18, 2016 02:17 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Mike Honcho at February 18, 2016 02:17 PM (BJjEt)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at February 18, 2016 02:18 PM (evdj2)
This Pope wouldn't recognize a Christian if his life depended on it.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 18, 2016 02:18 PM (sbCWj)
Not one single bridge.
Which is exactly why the West Bank to Gaza Bridge is so extraordinary!
Posted by: Vox at February 18, 2016 02:18 PM (JO9+V)
I will assume that this will do nothing but help Trump.
Posted by: SH at February 18, 2016 02:18 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 18, 2016 02:18 PM (FkBIv)
Get on it, Pope!
Posted by: stuiec at February 18, 2016 02:18 PM (eetvJ)
I'd like to hear the Pope's view of the DH too.
For or against?
Posted by: MTF at February 18, 2016 02:14 PM
He'll probably defer to the Cardinals on that one.
Posted by: MrScribbler at February 18, 2016 02:18 PM (JPmdJ)
Got a chapter and verse for that?
Because it's FUNNY BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE BIBLE.
Must be from The Protocols of the Bishops of Rome.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 18, 2016 02:18 PM (xq1UY)
Other controversies he can weigh in on:
1. The NBA's anti-flop rule.
2. The NFL's concussion protocol.
And the eternal one ...
3. Ginger or MaryAnn?
Posted by: Zombie Martin Luther at February 18, 2016 02:18 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: L, Elle at February 18, 2016 02:18 PM (2x3L+)
Hot Air is a site I have almost never visited. I assume that the new requirement there, that all commenting is to be on facebook, makes it easier to match political sentiments with people's true identities, correct? Facilitates creation of a leftist loyalty/disloyalty database, if you will.
Part of a larger push. I suspect that in the near future more and more people with conservative views will have mysterious difficulty finding a job, getting a loan, being admitted to school, etc.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 18, 2016 02:18 PM (/f6Nd)
So let me get this straight...
1) the Pope is part of the 1% of the 1% (just look at some of the riches of the Vatican).
2) He doesn't allow just anyone into the Vatican (tough immigration policies)
3) The Vatican is surrounded by walls and has its own army (Swiss Guards)
4) He complains about walls, immigration, and the wealthy.
Is Pope Francis at all familiar with the term hypocrisy?
Posted by: jim at February 18, 2016 02:19 PM (VwhRo)
A movement, that is, but an unorganized one, driven largely by the personal initiative of individual leftist true believers.
No. It was a specifically directed long term Cold War program conceived within, and run by, Moscow Centre. With actual intelligence officers inserted into the Catholic hierarchy. Down to the level of domain-specific training by the KGB, and wet-work covert assassinations of conservative Catholic figures who might impede the rise of the Soviet moles.
John Paul II put a spanner in the works. Leave it to a Pole to perceive Russian perfidy. He suppressed the worst internal actions of the moles and re-imposed his own strong anticommunist agenda. But he was unable to adequately cleanse the institution of infiltration before old age and death overcame him.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 18, 2016 02:19 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 18, 2016 02:19 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Cheech. Or Chong. at February 18, 2016 02:19 PM (bpn7O)
Um, he backed military force to stop ISIS not too long ago.
Posted by: no good deed at February 18, 2016 02:19 PM (GgxVX)
Posted by: the Orthodox Church at February 18, 2016 02:19 PM (AGJqR)
Posted by: undocumented at February 18, 2016 02:20 PM (e8kgV)
Send all of the Syrian refugees to Vatican City. Problem solved. All the U.S. illegal aliens as well.
I'm Catholic by the way, about to become a lapsed one if this guy doesn't start sticking to his knitting.
Who elected him Pope?
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at February 18, 2016 02:20 PM (kfcYC)
They can keep the door, but they should tear down those divisive walls.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 18, 2016 02:20 PM (uURQL)
Posted by: Walter Freeman at February 18, 2016 02:20 PM (21hN3)
Posted by: ThunderB at February 18, 2016 02:20 PM (zOTsN)
IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE THE CARDINALS IS A BASEBALL TEAM.
Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at February 18, 2016 02:20 PM (PFy0L)
The Pope could arrive home to a new schism.
Posted by: MTF at February 18, 2016 02:20 PM (TxJGV)
FU
Posted by: Infidel at February 18, 2016 02:20 PM (cojT9)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 18, 2016 02:20 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Arson Wells at February 18, 2016 02:20 PM (UnJ7w)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 18, 2016 02:20 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 18, 2016 02:20 PM (TJCSB)
The Bishops voted Francis in. They knew he was a liberation theology guy.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 18, 2016 02:21 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Saint Peter at February 18, 2016 02:21 PM (f7rv6)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 18, 2016 02:21 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: obnoxious ahole at February 18, 2016 02:21 PM (dhCCw)
Has the pope ever said that pro-abortion politicians are not Christians?
This is beyond crossing a line. What is he thinking?
Posted by: prescient12 at February 18, 2016 02:21 PM (7QkL1)
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy!<<<
Precisely. Except this time, George Clooney will be cast as the Pope.
Posted by: Fritz at February 18, 2016 02:21 PM (UzPAd)
infallibility. It does not include political pronouncements given by the
Pope, but of course priests will say whatever their conscience/prayer
life tells them to say in response to the lectionary (Biblical readings)
of the particular Sunday
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 18, 2016 02:16 PM
Makes me glad we haven't had a Pope since Meyer Lansky died....
Dogma is a real bitch.
Posted by: MrScribbler at February 18, 2016 02:21 PM (JPmdJ)
Poppin' Fresh is going to have to crank out 3000 words this time.
A thousand words for each one of the remaining commenters at _Warm Flatus_.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 18, 2016 02:21 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: navybrat at February 18, 2016 02:22 PM (8QGte)
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That is probably true. It won't hurt, could help, but you are probably right. Trump has his supporters, seems his problem is finding supporters, its just getting them to vote.
Posted by: SH at February 18, 2016 02:22 PM (gmeXX)
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See - this is what bothers me. WHEN DOES HE START PREACHING THE GOSPEL?
The Apostle Peter didn't get crucified because of his immigration stance.
Posted by: grammie winger, likes walls, going to hell at February 18, 2016 02:22 PM (dFi94)
So the talented displace people here who become refugees and guests of their relatives?
Posted by: Bear stuck in the woods. at February 18, 2016 02:22 PM (DL2i+)
socially-just priests who, accepting his infallibility, will spend next
Sunday repeating it to their flocks and exhorting them to Go And Do
Likewise?
If so, there will be roughly as many American Catholics following his exhortations as there are on birth control.
So maybe he will swing Rick Santorum's vote.
Posted by: cool breeze at February 18, 2016 02:22 PM (ckvus)
Yeah, I miss John Paul II.
I find this Pope to be a usurper like Obama.
A marxist anti-Pope.
An Anti-America usurper as anti-President.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 18, 2016 02:22 PM (sbCWj)
Foreground: Italy.
Background: Vatican City
Between them? Tiny little fence you can step over.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at February 18, 2016 02:22 PM (cdw0X)
"There is something that does not love a wall.
It's name is Francis."
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Adopt a Hot Air Refugee, get free pack of Argue-Mints at the Outrage Outlet! at February 18, 2016 02:22 PM (hLRSq)
I'm trying to understand how saying what he said is an example of building a bridge.....
It really isn't. It's intellectual bullying. It's "because I said so" logic.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at February 18, 2016 02:22 PM (PFy0L)
So rather than discouraging Catholics from supporting Trump, the Pope may actually be encouraging liberals/ independents to support Trump.
Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at February 18, 2016 02:23 PM (7FH+T)
Posted by: Pope Wossname at February 18, 2016 02:23 PM (bpn7O)
Posted by: Yip at February 18, 2016 02:23 PM (e7T6D)
Posted by: no good deed at February 18, 2016 02:19 PM (GgxVX)
Yeah, but we were talking about Islamists in Mexico. He didn't address the security concern.
I guarantee they show him pictures of Mexican kids dead in the South-west desert say this is what's going on, and its the greedy gringos fault.
Posted by: Iblis at February 18, 2016 02:23 PM (9221z)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 18, 2016 02:23 PM (B8JRQ)
1. The NBA's anti-flop rule.
2. The NFL's concussion protocol.
And the eternal one ...
3. Ginger or MaryAnn?
Posted by: Zombie Martin Luther at February 18, 2016 02:18 PM (oKE6c)
-------------------------------------------------------
1. Peyton used HGH, yes or no?
2. Brady....on any issue he wants
3. Giselle should or should not have worn the burka to her Paris plastic surgery appointment?
4. TFG cheats at golf?
Posted by: MTF at February 18, 2016 02:23 PM (TxJGV)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 18, 2016 02:23 PM (oKE6c)
IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE THE CARDINALS IS A BASEBALL TEAM.
*Furiously scribbling notes.
-Amy Schumer
Posted by: rickb223 at February 18, 2016 02:23 PM (DfQBn)
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at February 18, 2016 02:23 PM (O4NI/)
Posted by: ThunderB at February 18, 2016 02:23 PM (zOTsN)
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What is advancing Catholicism?
Posted by: SH at February 18, 2016 02:23 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Guido at February 18, 2016 02:23 PM (INxoa)
Sure, there are formidable walls elsewhere. But if that counts as "surrounding" Vatican City"
I see you missed the openly armed guards. But hey...
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 18, 2016 02:23 PM (C9pBZ)
Posted by: Jeb! at February 18, 2016 02:24 PM (Sc+fF)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 18, 2016 02:24 PM (oKE6c)
....
Between them? Tiny little fence you can step over.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at February 18, 2016 02:22 PM (cdw0X)
SJW, refute thyself.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 18, 2016 02:24 PM (uURQL)
Posted by: Mister Ghost at February 18, 2016 02:24 PM (HZUTc)
Posted by: Matt at February 18, 2016 02:24 PM (3wxbV)
Posted by: Floating Chat Thread Outside Your Bedroom Window At Night at February 18, 2016 02:24 PM (0cMkb)
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Its a fair point.
Posted by: SH at February 18, 2016 02:24 PM (gmeXX)
I will assume that this will do nothing but help Trump.
Posted by: SH at February 18, 2016 02:18 PM (gmeXX)
We'll leave the whole concept of "infallible" and "supreme authority" for another post or comment.
But since I'm not Catholic, allow me to say it for you:
Pope Commie is a piece of shit. He is just another pathetic liberal scum in robes. He masquerades as an angel of light.
If ISIS lopped off his head, I'd probably celebrate.
Posted by: Blano at February 18, 2016 02:24 PM (3eoPa)
Posted by: Timon at February 18, 2016 02:25 PM (KSonr)
So a high percentage of Catholics don't follow church teaching on Church stuff, like going to mass on sunday, confession, use of contraception.
It isn't likely they will follow political endorsements unless they were leaning that way already.
Those Catholics inclined to agree with this Pope's political sentiments aren't republicans. They are democrats.Doesn't change the republican primary or the general.
Just my two cents.
Posted by: simplemind at February 18, 2016 02:25 PM (JTwsP)
***
Rubio actually released a decent comment re this situation.
http://bit.ly/1PUbixl
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 18, 2016 02:25 PM (8PbKi)
Trump should simply announce that after the southern border wall is built, he's going to contract out the job of patrolling it to the Swiss. Saying that the personal example of the Dope deeply inspired him.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 18, 2016 02:25 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at February 18, 2016 02:25 PM (evdj2)
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-pope-has-a-small-but-deadly-army-of-elite-warriors-1733268646
Posted by: Oedipus at February 18, 2016 02:25 PM (CXLVd)
Yeah, that one ... that was bad. Not exactly loving and humble, there.
Mind you, the pope didn't say it was wrong to build walls. He said a mentality that only builds walls and not bridges is bad - non Christian. So the wording isn't quite what people are responding to here.
I disagree with a lot of his perspective, not to mention his theology, but this wasn't as awful and hypocritical as people are saying.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 18, 2016 02:26 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 18, 2016 02:23 PM (C9pBZ)
Walk around any major attraction, or travel point and not see guards now-a-days.
Posted by: Iblis at February 18, 2016 02:26 PM (9221z)
Posted by: Sgt. Hulka at February 18, 2016 02:26 PM (3dOE/)
Posted by: The Prophet MoeHoward at February 18, 2016 02:26 PM (t6hpV)
Also as someone adroitly put it below.
I stand at the pearly gates, that are set in a WALL.
SAY MY NAME!!!!
(St. Peter)
Posted by: simplemind at February 18, 2016 02:26 PM (JTwsP)
Then shortly thereafter released five more copies of the same comment.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 18, 2016 02:26 PM (noWW6)
And I agree that the "what the Pope really meant was...." stuff is lame.
Posted by: duke at February 18, 2016 02:26 PM (EQNFN)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot, 'Who Decides?' at February 18, 2016 02:26 PM (BK3ZS)
Okay, got it now. Like I said earlier, the tweet blaming capitalism for greed didn't sit well with me. The horror of the Mexican border isn't the fault of some corporation putting profits over people.
Posted by: no good deed at February 18, 2016 02:26 PM (GgxVX)
Yeah? You really wanna bet on that? Seriously? 'Cause I'll put 20 on that giving some bounce for the Trumpster...
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 18, 2016 02:26 PM (C9pBZ)
Posted by: rebel flounder at February 18, 2016 02:26 PM (3dOE/)
Heh. Hehe. Hehehehe.......hahahahaha....
Posted by: Pope Franky at February 18, 2016 02:26 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: rickb223 at February 18, 2016 02:27 PM (DfQBn)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 18, 2016 02:27 PM (FkBIv)
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Infallibility is generally misunderstood. Most popes never speak on anything where infallibility comes into play.
Posted by: SH at February 18, 2016 02:27 PM (gmeXX)
I stand at the pearly gates, that are set in a WALL.
SAY MY NAME!!!!
(St. Peter)
Posted by: simplemind at February 18, 2016 02:26 PM (JTwsP)
"St. Peter, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!"
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 18, 2016 02:27 PM (oKE6c)
Why is the Pope criticizing Trump rather than dealing with number one
problem affecting Christians worldwide, Muslim persecution and genocide
of Christians?
--
We're looking into combining Christianity and Islam into a new, one world religion called Chrislam. Google it.
Until that comes to pass, we totes can't criticize the very people we want in our flock.
Posted by: The New World Order at February 18, 2016 02:27 PM (7FH+T)
he had courage. he went to Poland when it was under Soviet Control
when will Francis go to the ancient Christian cities in Syria that were destroyed by ISIS
Posted by: ThunderB at February 18, 2016 02:27 PM (zOTsN)
....
Between them? Tiny little fence you can step over.
***
Well, hell! there are parts of Disney World that can be entered without passing through security as well, but try to get through to Space Mountain without passing through a gate or security.
The point being, I'm sure any one of us could walk straight up and knock on Francis' door, right?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 18, 2016 02:27 PM (8PbKi)
Me. *Me*.
You have no idea who you're talking to, son.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at February 18, 2016 02:27 PM (IRqa0)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at February 18, 2016 02:25 PM (evdj2)
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Soooo..... BEAN DIP!!
*yeah yeah yeah..... I denounce myself already.
Posted by: fixerupper at February 18, 2016 02:27 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: JEM at February 18, 2016 02:27 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: Mister Ghost at February 18, 2016 02:24 PM (HZUTc)
Because the Trump must be stopped. Every right-thinking person knows this. Trump is history's greatest monster, recently dethroning Jimmy Carter (1976 - 2014) from his place in the stats book.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Adopt a Hot Air Refugee, get free pack of Argue-Mints at the Outrage Outlet! at February 18, 2016 02:28 PM (hLRSq)
The pope spoke from the giant cross in Juarez that Mexico built to shame El Paso.
Posted by: Lauren at February 18, 2016 02:28 PM (0C2f1)
Then shortly thereafter released five more copies of the same comment.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 18, 2016 02:26 PM (noWW6)
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Please clap.
Posted by: SH at February 18, 2016 02:28 PM (gmeXX)
"Rubio actually released a decent comment re this situation."
Then shortly thereafter released five more copies of the same comment.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 18, 2016 02:26 PM (noWW6)
The history rewriting of the comment will commence once challenged on it.
Posted by: rebel flounder at February 18, 2016 02:28 PM (3dOE/)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 18, 2016 02:21 PM (iQIUe)
There was an article that described the coup that removed Benedict and put this guy in that came out a few months ago. It was a good read. If it was right, they knew exactly what they were doing.
Posted by: Martin F'ng Luther at February 18, 2016 02:28 PM (t06LC)
Then shortly thereafter released five more copies of the same comment.
***
damnit
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 18, 2016 02:28 PM (8PbKi)
Helps the Sinoloa Cartel LLC's profits very mucho gusto!
Posted by: rickb223 at February 18, 2016 02:28 PM (DfQBn)
Which is still stupid. What do walls do? They protect.
Our houses have walls to keep out danger and the elements and to create a SafeSpace (TM).
A wall-builder is a man who protects.
There's this whole bit in the Bible where devout Jews mourn that their city, Jurasalem, has no walls.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 18, 2016 02:28 PM (uURQL)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at February 18, 2016 02:25 PM (evdj2)
Mebbe he can baptize the Pope in the White House fountain? The Washington Monument Reflecting Pool? The Potomac River? All good spots.
Posted by: Count de Monet at February 18, 2016 02:29 PM (JO9+V)
>> up and knock on Francis' door, right?
The mobs of tourists that queue up in Vatican City have a lot in common with the hordes of Muslims overrunning Cologne, et al.
Oh, except for the rape part.
Posted by: JEM at February 18, 2016 02:29 PM (o+SC1)
Then shortly thereafter released five more copies of the same comment.
In Spanish.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 18, 2016 02:29 PM (DfQBn)
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 18, 2016 02:29 PM (uURQL)
Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 18, 2016 02:29 PM (xq1UY)
The assertion is that the Vatican is surrounded by walls. It's not. Don't waste your time arguing dumb, easily refuted points.
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at February 18, 2016 02:29 PM (xRA8Q)
Posted by: Fritz at February 18, 2016 02:29 PM (UzPAd)
100% of my Catholic friends (and being involved in the pro-life movement, I have a ton of them) are for Rubio. 100%. And part of their support is that he is in favor of amnesty.
Posted by: Lauren at February 18, 2016 02:30 PM (0C2f1)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 18, 2016 02:30 PM (xuouz)
"Stepping over" the tiny little fence isn't the problem, it's the "staying here" that's the problem.
What would happen if thousands of visitors to the Vatican every year just decided, "Nah, bro, I think I'm gonna stay here. And oh, by the way, gimme money, food, and medicine."
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at February 18, 2016 02:30 PM (JxMoP)
The point is that the titular head of a church should probably not be saying it at all... so yeah, it's pretty darn awful.
I too miss JP2...
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 18, 2016 02:30 PM (C9pBZ)
Full Immersion. Five minutes ought to do it.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at February 18, 2016 02:30 PM (evdj2)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/jsnh8d9
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 18, 2016 02:30 PM (w4NZ8)
*yeah yeah yeah..... I denounce myself already. Posted by: fixerupper at February 18, 2016 02:27 PM
I'm thinkin' ore like poutine and Smarties. And Ann Murray.
Posted by: MrScribbler at February 18, 2016 02:30 PM (JPmdJ)
Posted by: Akelm88 at February 18, 2016 02:31 PM (fydF3)
Posted by: Lord Gulgoth at February 18, 2016 02:31 PM (bWvOd)
Posted by: pookysgirl at February 18, 2016 02:31 PM (K27gs)
Get used to it. He knows what he has to say to try and repair the damage, so he'll say it. The question is who is dumb enough to believe it?
Posted by: pep at February 18, 2016 02:31 PM (3e8zv)
Then shortly thereafter released five more copies of the same comment.
In Spanish.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 18, 2016 02:29 PM (DfQBn)
*****
Ted Cruz then immediately releases a statement lying about how in Spanish, Marco supported the Pope.
He then releases a poorly done photoshop of Rubio shaking hands with the Pope, which his people claim is authentic.
Posted by: Vyce at February 18, 2016 02:31 PM (Xylma)
I don't understand his comment.
Posted by: Abby Normal at February 18, 2016 02:31 PM (5VZqJ)
Exactly, and the Mexican government is knee deep in it.
Posted by: no good deed at February 18, 2016 02:31 PM (GgxVX)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at February 18, 2016 02:25 PM (evdj2)
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He's Baptist? I wasn't aware of his particular denomination. Thanks.
Posted by: grammie winger, likes walls, going to hell at February 18, 2016 02:31 PM (dFi94)
Got it.
Posted by: Damiano at February 18, 2016 02:31 PM (XItbt)
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I've generally not associated conservative pro-life Catholics (of which I am one) as being open border.
Posted by: SH at February 18, 2016 02:31 PM (gmeXX)
"There can be little doubt that in terms of raw experience, there is no more qualified person for the presidency than Hillary Clinton. No candidate on either side of the aisle has racked up the credentials she has, and she has done so under sustained attack from members of both parties. It's the opinion of the board there might not be a more qualified candidate in the modern history of the United States."
the Iowa City Press-Citizen
circulation as per wikipedia 14,353 daily
just by way of comparison:
amNewYork is a morning free daily newspaper that is published in New York City by Newsday. According to the company, the average Friday circulation in September 2013 was 335,900.
Posted by: Hillary at February 18, 2016 02:31 PM (qSIlh)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at February 18, 2016 02:31 PM (KCQo0)
That's the future that Herbert depicted in Dune: Islam and Christianity molded into one religion with some other elements mixed in.
A wall-builder is a man who protects.
Sure, but again, he didn't condemn walls per se, or building of walls. He condemened exclusively building walls - metaphorically speaking, shutting everyone out all the time, shunning without embracing or reaching out.
Now, I agree he's wrong about immigration and needs to keep his nose out of our business, but its not what people keep saying.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 18, 2016 02:31 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: danny at February 18, 2016 02:31 PM (ipWk5)
Thank God he said I was a politician because Aristotle defined the human person as 'animal politicus.' At least I am a human person. As to whether I am a pawn, well, maybe, I don't know. I'llleave that up to your judgement and that of the people. And then, a person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian. This is not in the Gospel. As far as what you said about whether I would advise to vote or not to vote, I am not going to get involved in that. I say only that this man is not Christian if he has said things like that. We must see if he said things in that way and in this I give the benefit of the doubt.
In my opinion, context makes it worse.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at February 18, 2016 02:31 PM (eytER)
Vatican every year just decided, "Nah, bro, I think I'm gonna stay here.
And oh, by the way, gimme money, food, and medicine."
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at February 18, 2016 02:30 PM (JxMoP)
And free university tuition!
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 18, 2016 02:31 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete
the Pope lives in a heavily protected bubble that most of us do not
he could throw open the Vaticans books, sell their treasures and support several refugees on his own if he wanted to
he doesn't
he would rather WE do it
BTW, isnt Italy making all their refugees travel nother and not stay in Italy?
Posted by: ThunderB at February 18, 2016 02:32 PM (zOTsN)
My only quibble is that "half" of the Republican party seems to be a low ball guesstimate.
Posted by: gm at February 18, 2016 02:32 PM (K0tm3)
Posted by: Lauren at February 18, 2016 02:30 PM (0C2f1)
So they're just as bad as the Pope Commie lovers then. Great.
Posted by: Blano at February 18, 2016 02:32 PM (3eoPa)
Congratulations, you've now outdone the last month of anything on the Onion site.
Even if it was crass and nasty and the kind of thing that'd get you banned from Facebook, well at least if you were talking about an imam...
Posted by: JEM at February 18, 2016 02:32 PM (o+SC1)
And where there are no walls (such as the plaza or at the train tracks), there are armed guards.
Just like we don't have 300 miles south of me. Move your own goalposts.
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 18, 2016 02:32 PM (C9pBZ)
Posted by: Williams Billybongson at February 18, 2016 02:32 PM (w61ZD)
See - this is what bothers me. WHEN DOES HE START PREACHING THE GOSPEL?
That's my question, too. How about talking to the leaders of the countries that are generating all the refugees and getting them to clean up their act? How about some freedom for their people, eh? How about a decent economy not run by thugs to help those in need?
This is a poor thing to harp on Trump for when there are far more serious problems and evil people perpetuating them in the name of power.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 18, 2016 02:32 PM (LUgeY)
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 18, 2016 02:28 PM (uURQL)
Jurusalic Park.
Life, uh, finds a way, thanks to concrete barriers, Mossad, Iron Dome, and ubiquitous armed guards who sacrifice their very lives to keep the stabby, stabby Palestinians from killing regular citizens.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 18, 2016 02:32 PM (xuouz)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 18, 2016 02:32 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: Papist Bograt at February 18, 2016 02:32 PM (326rv)
'
I didn't either. Until the last month or so.
Now suddenly it's A Thing.
Posted by: Lauren at February 18, 2016 02:33 PM (Dwl2T)
Posted by: Lauren at February 18, 2016 02:28 PM (0C2f1)
I'm not a theologian, but building a cross to shame someone is a little Pharisee-like to me - the whole whited sepulcher thing we were admonished not to be like.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Adopt a Hot Air Refugee, get free pack of Argue-Mints at the Outrage Outlet! at February 18, 2016 02:33 PM (hLRSq)
You are. Got anything else we can clear up?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 18, 2016 02:33 PM (oKE6c)
The psychopaths for whom I used to work happened to be Catholic, fairly devout Catholics as well. The happened to be Catholic is there because the psychopathy thing had nothing to do with the Catholic thing.
I was raised very very very Baptist.
One time we had to sue a Baptist church (auto accident nothing terribly interesting) and I got the suit ready and my one boss was all why didn't you sue the diocese? I explained that it was a Baptist church and Baptists don't have diocese. The churches are independent and may have a loose affiliation but do not have a structure like a diocese or bishops. She insisted that they did. I insisted they didn't. She finally said "Who says they don't have to have that!" My response? "Last I knew Martin Luther."
Good times, good times.
Then there was the time my other boss came wandering into the office one Wednesday afternoon and I opened my mouth to say "Hey you've got some kind of dirt on your forehead" and God Himself slapped his hand over my mouth and hissed SHUT UP into my ear.
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 18, 2016 02:33 PM (mf5HN)
Catholic are 50/50. That's how they've voted for years.
This Pope's comments aren't going to change anything.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 18, 2016 02:33 PM (sbCWj)
Posted by: DaveA at February 18, 2016 02:33 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: SFGoth at February 18, 2016 02:33 PM (dZ756)
Posted by: Juan McCain at February 18, 2016 02:33 PM (INxoa)
All the Catholics are in South America, all the Anglicans are in Africa, and we're supposed to be worshiping Gaia instead.
Posted by: JEM at February 18, 2016 02:33 PM (o+SC1)
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So you ignore Matthew 16:18?
I kid - somewhat - not really. Just having fun.
Posted by: SH at February 18, 2016 02:34 PM (gmeXX)
Not this conservative Catholic. The Church uses discretion when giving charity. Why shouldn't countries or people do the same?
Posted by: no good deed at February 18, 2016 02:34 PM (GgxVX)
Posted by: Lauren at February 18, 2016 02:30 PM (0C2f1)
If you'll consider me a friend, Lauren, you can bump that number down from Kim Jong Un levels to a more comfortable ninety-something percent. I'm Roman Catholic, and I'm a real Catholic, I almost never go to mass.
And I'm anti-Rubio.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 18, 2016 02:34 PM (xuouz)
"a person who thinks *only* about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian ... We must see if he said things in that way and in this I give the benefit of the doubt."
he sides with the poor yes, but true to form, this has been blown out of proportion by others
Posted by: Feh at February 18, 2016 02:34 PM (jQ4fD)
Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 18, 2016 02:05 PM (S2VsH)
^^This.
Posted by: rickl at February 18, 2016 02:34 PM (zoehZ)
Posted by: Donald Trump at February 18, 2016 02:34 PM (PNcou)
Posted by: OldDominionMom at February 18, 2016 02:34 PM (GzDYP)
Does the Good Samaritan have no duty to the people of Samarra?
Posted by: Glen at February 18, 2016 02:34 PM (lVtPP)
Posted by: Darmok at February 18, 2016 02:34 PM (bpn7O)
Posted by: gm at February 18, 2016 02:35 PM (K0tm3)
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 18, 2016 02:28 PM (uURQL)
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Nehemiah. I love reading that. In fact I'm listening to a series on it right now.
Posted by: grammie winger, likes walls, going to hell at February 18, 2016 02:35 PM (dFi94)
See, this is wrong and he should have never gone there. Never. A man's faith is between him and God. Period. We can be very skeptical about someone's faith if they, such as President Obama, define sin as "being out of alignment with my values," but in the end, none of us can see a man's soul.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 18, 2016 02:35 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 18, 2016 02:26 PM (C9pBZ)
What you wanna bet? You think this is going to win him more support? Trump has saturated his maximum level of support, 30-35%. He has high negatives and frankly other than his zealot supporters, most non Trump voters can't stand his moronic and simple minded rhetoric. Sorry to tell you, but as soon as it is a 2 man race Trump will still be stuck at those numbers and losing.
Look at this way, Club Trump Disco Inferno is at max capacity with his supporters yelling "burn baby burn". At this point there aren't many more people clamoring to be a part of it.
Posted by: Arson Wells at February 18, 2016 02:35 PM (UnJ7w)
Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at February 18, 2016 02:27 PM (IRqa0)
A guy who thinks the difference between a wall and a fence is an amazing insight.
"That's not a coke! It's actually Pepsi!"
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 18, 2016 02:35 PM (uURQL)
Posted by: Lauren at February 18, 2016 02:35 PM (Dwl2T)
The Pope lives in a guarded community (ever see any pictures of the arsenal for the swiss guards? Yeah. First class, high tech stuff, and lots of it) surrounded by priceless treasures that were, as a rule, stolen outright from their places of origin.
He is a hypocrite of the highest order.
Posted by: navybrat at February 18, 2016 02:35 PM (8QGte)
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The Mother Church was always cool with BC and even gave instructions on how to keep that little pill between your knees.
Posted by: Bigby's Whatever Hands at February 18, 2016 02:36 PM (3ZtZW)
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I didn't either. Until the last month or so.
Now suddenly it's A Thing.
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I haven't seen it. Maybe just different parts of Texas. Maybe I just haven't noticed. Interesting observation though.
Posted by: SH at February 18, 2016 02:36 PM (gmeXX)
I disagree with a lot of his perspective, not to mention his theology, but this wasn't as awful and hypocritical as people are saying.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 18, 2016 02:26 PM (39g3+)
Context.... where it was said, and to what audience.
It was a blatantly political statement aimed at internal US Politics.
Posted by: Don Quixote at February 18, 2016 02:36 PM (f7rv6)
Posted by: gm at February 18, 2016 02:36 PM (K0tm3)
>> care for Trump all that much.
I like Huey Long more than I like Trotsky, and I actually don't care for Huey Long all that much.
FIFY.
Posted by: JEM at February 18, 2016 02:36 PM (o+SC1)
288 Huh... Condemnation for people who want to build walls but none for Catholic Pelosi who's all about killing babies.
Got it.
Posted by: Damiano at February 18, 2016 02:31 PM (XItbt)
Perhaps a metaphorical wall of dead babies might have refocused his attention better.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot, 'Who Decides?' at February 18, 2016 02:37 PM (BK3ZS)
Maybe Frankie took it one step further and had a translation made for Marxists.
Posted by: Fritz at February 18, 2016 02:37 PM (UzPAd)
Posted by: Arson Wells at February 18, 2016 02:37 PM (UnJ7w)
Catholic-Protestant slug fest. See you on a later thread.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 18, 2016 02:37 PM (w4NZ8)
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at February 18, 2016 02:37 PM (mDeJd)
movement, I have a ton of them) are for Rubio. 100%. And part of their
support is that he is in favor of amnesty.
Interesting. A lot of Catholic churches and charities have been involved in DHS's settlement of immigrant unaccompanied minors. And true to form, DHS has insisted that these Catholic institutions temporarily housing these "kids" provide them birth control, abortions, etc..
Now pause and wonder why that is even necessary: it's because something like 80% (forget the actual number) of them are sexually abused on their way here or after arriving. Doesn't sound like such a caring endeavor -- encouraging parents of kids in South and Central American countries to send their kids on a journey to our border and beyond without parental escort. Why would you want to be involved with this Obama-created crisis?
Posted by: Lizzy at February 18, 2016 02:37 PM (NOIQH)
Fire can't melt marble!
Posted by: torquewrench at February 18, 2016 02:37 PM (noWW6)
>> translation made for Marxists.
Das Bible.
Posted by: JEM at February 18, 2016 02:38 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 18, 2016 02:26 PM (39g3+) >>>
There's only one thing you need to do to be a Christian, and supporting open borders and your own cultural genocide isn't it.
Posted by: gm at February 18, 2016 02:38 PM (K0tm3)
Posted by: Lincolntf at February 18, 2016 02:38 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 18, 2016 02:38 PM (LA7Cm)
this pope sees two kinds of people, rich and poor
and the rich should always give to the poor, not matter what
Posted by: ThunderB at February 18, 2016 02:38 PM (zOTsN)
Did the people of post exile Jerusalem err in wanting a wall?
Posted by: Northernlurker at February 18, 2016 02:38 PM (hJrjt)
Posted by: Don Quixote at February 18, 2016 02:36 PM (f7rv6)
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Yup. And I believe Christ said something along the lines of "be in the world, but not of the world".
Posted by: fixerupper at February 18, 2016 02:38 PM (8XRCm)
We are awful awful people!
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 18, 2016 02:38 PM (iQIUe)
>> translation made for Marxists.
The Catholic Manifesto.
Posted by: JEM at February 18, 2016 02:39 PM (o+SC1)
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Hasn't she already been told that she should not receive Communion?
Posted by: SH at February 18, 2016 02:39 PM (gmeXX)
Today you spoke very eloquently about the problems of immigration. On the other side of the border, there is a very tough electoral battle. One of the candidates for the White House, Republican Donald Trump, in an interview recently said that you are a political man and he even said that you are a pawn, an instrument of the Mexican government for migration politics. Trump said that if he's elected, he wants to build 2,500 kilometers of wall along the border. He wants to deport 11 million illegal immigrants, separating familes, etcetera. I would like to ask you, what do you think of these accusations against you and if a North American Catholic can vote for a person like this?"
Then look at Francis' second to last sentence: "I say only that this man is not Christian if he has said anything like that."
Seems clear to me. Francis wasn't too keen on wondering if Trump or anyone else was thinking of bridges as well as walls. He was eager only to assault Trump's faith.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at February 18, 2016 02:39 PM (eytER)
The psychopaths for whom I used to work happened to be Catholic,
fairly devout Catholics as well. The happened to be Catholic is there
because the psychopathy thing had nothing to do with the Catholic thing.
I was raised very very very Baptist.
One time we had to sue a Baptist church (auto accident nothing
terribly interesting) and I got the suit ready and my one boss was all
why didn't you sue the diocese? I explained that it was a Baptist
church and Baptists don't have diocese. The churches are independent
and may have a loose affiliation but do not have a structure like a
diocese or bishops. She insisted that they did. I insisted they didn't.
She finally said "Who says they don't have to have that!" My
response? "Last I knew Martin Luther."
Good times, good times.
Then there was the time my other boss came wandering into the office
one Wednesday afternoon and I opened my mouth to say "Hey you've got
some kind of dirt on your forehead" and God Himself slapped his hand
over my mouth and hissed SHUT UP into my ear.
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 18, 2016 02:33 PM (mf5HN)
It would have been interesting to watch your boss's head explode if you had gone on to explain soul competency to her.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 18, 2016 02:39 PM (NPofj)
But...well...he's actually kinda in line with the catechism for once:
2241: The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him.
Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants' duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens.
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Now clearly the illegals aren't exactly doing much re the second paragraph, but this is closer than I expected him to be to the actual catechism.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at February 18, 2016 02:39 PM (tM4uk)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at February 18, 2016 02:25 PM (evdj2)
You mean Baptist as in Baptist Child and Family Services, which receives something like 19 grand per refugee per month as a contractor to the federal government? It's all a racket.
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at February 18, 2016 02:39 PM (nFdGS)
Honestly, I've just been so depressed by everyone I know singing his praises.
Posted by: Lauren at February 18, 2016 02:39 PM (Dwl2T)
Hey Pope, what about all those walled monasteries back in the day?
Posted by: Frankns at February 18, 2016 02:40 PM (DfooN)
Indeed. its not just foolish, its wrong, bad stewardship, and actually harmful to people to just give them whatever they ask for. You must be wise and discerning in all things, even charity.
See - this is what bothers me. WHEN DOES HE START PREACHING THE GOSPEL?
Well yeah. I mean he does, but its always mixed in with this crap. One thing I really, really appreciate about my church is no matter what the pastor thinks about political events, his focus is on the Gospel and on his flock. He will pray for leaders to have wisdom and be lead by God, not condemn and attack.
The job of a pastor is to preach Christ and Him Crucified but so many focus on how everyone ought to live to the exclusion of the gospel. The primary purpose of law is to drive people to the cross of Christ, not to bring about better lives, because the more we love, understand, and embrace the gospel, the more will WANT to naturally and internally begin to live better lives.
Its the difference between gratitude and punishment. Between beating someone over the head or making them wish to do something.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 18, 2016 02:40 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Lincolntf at February 18, 2016 02:38 PM (2cS/G)
I have a coworker who will call his brother and shout about the Celtics so the guys at the gas station across the street can hear him if they make a trade, so I'm not paying attention.
Who's your team?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 18, 2016 02:40 PM (xuouz)
"Pope says that anyone who builds a wall is not Christian, and is immediately struck by lightning."
Accuracy folks. Accuracy.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at February 18, 2016 02:40 PM (4ng05)
Yeah, it will. Not much, but it most certainly won't hurt. It's publicity - Trump's currency.
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 18, 2016 02:40 PM (C9pBZ)
What a screwed up place this thing called Earth has become...
Posted by: Laugh it up, Fuzzball! at February 18, 2016 02:40 PM (Es7YA)
and the rich should always give to the poor, not matter what
Posted by: ThunderB at February 18, 2016 02:38 PM (zOTsN)
Remind me again, how much money does the Church have?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 18, 2016 02:41 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at February 18, 2016 02:41 PM (4ng05)
Some darker skinned chick was on CNN saying the Scalia issue is racist.
Apparently there are dog whistles, and racism "in and around" the GOP.
Just another day ending in y.
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at February 18, 2016 02:37 PM (mDeJd)
Every day I wake up thinking I've heard the worst of the dumb. Then I'm introduced to even worse dumb and I think to myself, well the dumb can't ever get worse than that, then I wake up and I am introduced to even worse dumb. Then I think to myself...so.much.dumb.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 18, 2016 02:41 PM (2PHKP)
Posted by: fixerupper at February 18, 2016 02:38 PM (8XRCm)
I believe the more pertinent quote is
"Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and shut your big fat mouth Francis, you're turning good Catholics into Protestants.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 18, 2016 02:41 PM (xuouz)
Does the Catholic Church let anyone waltz in and take Communion or get married or get baptized without going through a process? Even if you a are tapped as a godparent today, the godparent has to go through religious training. So my question to the Pope is this: based on your definition is the Catholic Church Christian? Aren't these walls to salvation? In Baptism, is the Church justified in asking whether the candidate renounces Satan.
To my socially liberal Catholic friends I always ask this: Why does the Church insist that the only moral course of action to help the impoverished is to move them to the US? The Church is international. Why doesn't the Church help them in their own countries? If for no other reason than to spare them the racist and discriminatory and hateful society that is the United States?
Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at February 18, 2016 02:41 PM (4KoRb)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/jsnh8d9
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The question about murderers and marriages was interesting, but I don't see that he answered it.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 18, 2016 02:42 PM (8PbKi)
Since then the two Christian Faith's have slowly come to accept each other as true believers. But there are still embers glowing in the hearth that, with the breath of someone like the Pope, could spring ablaze again.
Cruz is a dyed in the wool Baptist. I wouldn't doubt his father still preaches Catholics as the Great Babylon still. Rubio, Kasich, and Bush are Catholic (though Bush came late to the faith).
There is already enough dry kindling in the fireplace. Things are getting interesting.
Posted by: MaxMBJ at February 18, 2016 02:42 PM (eXTZt)
this pope sees two kinds of people, rich and poor
and the rich should always give to the poor, not matter what
Posted by: ThunderB at February 18, 2016 02:38 PM (zOTsN)>>>
Or, in this case, taking from one group of poor to give to the rich and another group of the poor.
Posted by: gm at February 18, 2016 02:42 PM (K0tm3)
Posted by: Soona at February 18, 2016 02:42 PM (Fmupd)
From who? Cruz?
Rubio is a natural draw for leftist Catholics. No shock there.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 18, 2016 02:42 PM (sbCWj)
Thanks, that looks really good on the horizon, reminds me to pray on my commute. Buh-Bye.
Posted by: DaveA at February 18, 2016 02:42 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Lizzy at February 18, 2016 02:37 PM (NOIQH)
Money. These religious-based (i.e. Roman Catholic) organizations that are bringing in undocumented, unvetted immigrants are getting paid big bucks by FedGov to facilitate this.
Posted by: OregonMuse at February 18, 2016 02:42 PM (mI6S9)
It was a blatantly political statement aimed at internal US Politics.
An area that's just a bit outside of his realm of expertise.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 18, 2016 02:42 PM (LUgeY)
Posted by: simplemind at February 18, 2016 02:25 PM (JTwsP)
The feel I get is that those conservative Catholics will become annoyed by this intrusion into the politics of the US, a country that Pope Francis has repeatedly shown he doesn't understand well.
Alternate headline. Pope Francis starts campaigning for Trump.
Because if there is one thing conservative Americans are top to bottom SICK OF HEARING, it's how mean we are in general and specifically how mean we are for wanting to secure our border and control immigration into this country.
I'm not sure Pope Francis is sufficiently self aware, but he doesn't have a lot of fans in conservative Catholicism. Certainly by and large they respect him as the Pope. But also have, at the same time, serious concerns about his Papacy.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 18, 2016 02:42 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at February 18, 2016 02:42 PM (9krrF)
Posted by: ThunderB at February 18, 2016 02:42 PM (zOTsN)
My parish priest does a much better job of it. For that, I am quite grateful. Even the Church has to endure to endure, if you know what I mean.
Posted by: no good deed at February 18, 2016 02:43 PM (GgxVX)
Well, one reason I like having a head guy what's in charge is that you don't get random priests issuing their own fatwas.
Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at February 18, 2016 02:43 PM (bpn7O)
Posted by: Donald Trump at February 18, 2016 02:43 PM (PNcou)
Posted by: Donald Trump at February 18, 2016 02:34 PM (PNcou)
*clap*
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 18, 2016 02:43 PM (uURQL)
Frankly I'm a bit surprised that more here aren't up on their Liberation Theology. It's neither new nor unknown... shouldn't be a surprise.
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 18, 2016 02:43 PM (C9pBZ)
If only I had a million bucks.
Posted by: Williams Billybongson at February 18, 2016 02:43 PM (w61ZD)
2241: The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him.
Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants' duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens.
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Now clearly the illegals aren't exactly doing much re the second paragraph, but this is closer than I expected him to be to the actual catechism.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at February 18, 2016 02:39 PM (tM4uk)
Their refusal to abide by the 2nd paragraph automatically negates having to follow the first paragraph.
Oh, and if just wandering in here expecting to suck off the local populace is a "natural right," when then to hell with the whole thing.
Posted by: Blano at February 18, 2016 02:43 PM (3eoPa)
Posted by: NotCoach at February 18, 2016 02:43 PM (rsudF)
Posted by: Frankns at February 18, 2016 02:40 PM (DfooN)
Didn't slow us down much.
Posted by: Rolf the Bearded and His Berserker Viking Band at February 18, 2016 02:43 PM (hLRSq)
Yeah, seeing the hordes of entitled at the border should remind people where we are at.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 18, 2016 02:44 PM (sbCWj)
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Oh. See, Sting said that too.
Posted by: Bigby's Whatever Hands at February 18, 2016 02:44 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: redbanzai at February 18, 2016 02:39 PM (NPofj)
The Big Boss and I had some really interesting theological discussions. It was fascinating the utter cultural disconnect. For example, there was another time where we had to sue a Catholic institution (slip & fall also very boring) and I had no idea that some of the layers of bureaucracy even existed. That was humbling to be reminded that just because I know the ins and outs of my religion and sub-culture, I know nothing of someone else's.
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 18, 2016 02:44 PM (mf5HN)
Any Catholic will tell you. Adult converts are the strongest adherents.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 18, 2016 02:44 PM (0q2P7)
http://bit.ly/1VkiPJk
I thought about it this morning, when CBS was saying the Pope wants open borders.
I invite you today to be on the front line, to be first in all the initiatives which help make this blessed land of Mexico a land of opportunities, he said.
Posted by: notsothoreau at February 18, 2016 02:44 PM (5HBd1)
"St. Peter, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!"
That was a politician that said that . . . to another politician originally. Who is the same politician that amnestied the first batch and who is now revered for his conservatism.
Irony. Its almost as if someone were laughing at us down here.
Posted by: simplemind at February 18, 2016 02:44 PM (JTwsP)
http://www.aviewoncities.com/___/rome/benit0190p.jpg
Posted by: Moron Pundit at February 18, 2016 02:44 PM (xeeHA)
This whole decolonization thing just doesn't seem to have worked out.
Posted by: obnoxious ahole at February 18, 2016 02:44 PM (dhCCw)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 18, 2016 02:44 PM (iQIUe)
illowed from earlier thread, but it fits here.
Posted by: marinemom at February 18, 2016 02:44 PM (ep6ak)
The Pope said more than just that.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 18, 2016 02:45 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: ThunderB at February 18, 2016 02:45 PM (zOTsN)
I generally agree, though I don't think it will translate to more votes. It pisses off not just Trump voters but other anti-establishment minded voters too.
Posted by: Arson Wells at February 18, 2016 02:45 PM (UnJ7w)
Posted by: jsg at February 18, 2016 02:45 PM (gs8be)
Posted by: awkward davies at February 18, 2016 02:45 PM (mP1RE)
Posted by: Mike Honcho at February 18, 2016 02:17 PM (BJjEt)
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Yeah, Ed is all in for the Pope just because he is a Catholic. It's not hard to spot a Marxist, and Francis is wearing a neon sign over his pope hat.
Posted by: NotCoach at February 18, 2016 02:45 PM (rsudF)
382 I'm gonna go build a bridge now. That'll show im!
a YUGGGEEE bridge. With gold and shit
Posted by: Donald Trump at February 18, 2016 02:43 PM (PNcou)>>>
How about a bridge from the Pacific Ocean to the Gulf of Mexico, with a completely solid foundation, forming something of a wall.
Posted by: gm at February 18, 2016 02:45 PM (K0tm3)
I saw y'all at the Iowa State Fair in '92. Damn good show!
Posted by: rickb223 at February 18, 2016 02:46 PM (DfQBn)
charities have been involved in DHS's settlement of immigrant
unaccompanied minors. And true to form, DHS has insisted that these
Catholic institutions temporarily housing these "kids" provide them
birth control, abortions, etc..
Posted by: Lizzy at February 18, 2016 02:37 PM (NOIQH)
Why is the Catholic church cooperating with DHS when they are endangering their souls by doing so?
Posted by: redbanzai at February 18, 2016 02:46 PM (NPofj)
Posted by: fixerupper at February 18, 2016 02:46 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Iblis at February 18, 2016 02:46 PM (9221z)
Billions. Perhaps trillions, if their worldwide assets and treasures were liquidated. Enough to make a gargantuan, shocking difference in the world overnight.
But this has long been a problem for the Roman Catholic church. They are torn between two poles:
1) Charity and goodwill toward man, poverty and humility
2) The desire to have enough power to influence policy and to portray the glory of God in simple, visual terms through beauty and riches in churches and cathedrals.
I get number 2, I really do but... it seems like number 1 is the one you should err on the side of, being the most obviously Biblical.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 18, 2016 02:46 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 18, 2016 02:40 PM (C9pBZ)
That, I can agree with my friend.
Posted by: Arson Wells at February 18, 2016 02:47 PM (UnJ7w)
What else would you expect from the last surviving vestiges of the governing apparatus of the Roman Empire?
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at February 18, 2016 02:47 PM (9krrF)
Posted by: setnaffa at February 18, 2016 02:47 PM (BtRXi)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 18, 2016 02:47 PM (2PHKP)
THIS is what really pisses me off, not the Pope
Posted by: Feh at February 18, 2016 02:47 PM (sxFc6)
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at February 18, 2016 02:39 PM (nFdGS)
Well that's interesting. Got any links?
Posted by: Blano at February 18, 2016 02:47 PM (3eoPa)
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When your Catholic, you have guilt. Its what you do.
Posted by: Geico at February 18, 2016 02:47 PM (gmeXX)
We have a bunch of bridges. San Diego. Brownsville. Laredo.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 18, 2016 02:47 PM (DfQBn)
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Ditto
Posted by: SH at February 18, 2016 02:48 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 18, 2016 02:48 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Moderate Trump Voter at February 18, 2016 02:48 PM (99TMU)
To my socially liberal Catholic friends I always ask this: Why does the Church insist that the only moral course of action to help the impoverished is to move them to the US? The Church is international. Why doesn't the Church help them in their own countries? If for no other reason than to spare them the racist and discriminatory and hateful society that is the United States?
Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at February 18, 2016 02:41 PM (4KoRb)
Great.
Freaking.
Point.
What's the deal with baptism, Frank? Why is that important? How come non-Catholics have to cross their arms and be blessed instead of taking communion?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 18, 2016 02:48 PM (xuouz)
What a screwed up place this thing called Earth has become...
Posted by: Laugh it up, Fuzzball! at February 18, 2016 02:40 PM (Es7YA)
What a stupid time to be alive.
Posted by: rickl at February 18, 2016 02:48 PM (zoehZ)
another politician originally. Who is the same politician that amnestied
the first batch and who is now revered for his conservatism.
Irony. Its almost as if someone were laughing at us down here.
Posted by: simplemind at February 18, 2016 02:44 PM (JTwsP)
The wall that politician was referencing was built to keep citizens in not keep non-citizens out.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 18, 2016 02:49 PM (NPofj)
Posted by: mallfly at February 18, 2016 02:49 PM (qSIlh)
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This equal human does not get to judge another equal human on whether or not they are Christian. Christians have flaws; Christians are not perfect. You do not have to be perfect to be a Christian.
Posted by: Adrienne at February 18, 2016 02:49 PM (lVcuh)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 18, 2016 02:49 PM (8PbKi)
Psst! Got a bridge or two to sell you there...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at February 18, 2016 02:49 PM (9krrF)
there is a reason there has only been one Jesuit Pope and this is it. Its the most politcal order
Posted by: ThunderB at February 18, 2016 02:49 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: rickb223 at February 18, 2016 02:49 PM (DfQBn)
Services, which receives something like 19 grand per refugee per month
as a contractor to the federal government? It's all a racket.
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at February 18, 2016 02:39 PM (nFdGS)
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Many Baptist churches are independent of any larger body. They are self-governing and self-sustaining. There are exceptions of course, such as the Southern Baptist Convention, which provides a sort of umbrella for the churches affiliated with it. They might have their own publishing house, or their own universities. I grew up in a church affiliated with the North American Baptists, and it was much the same way. There is no hierarchy and not much interference in the working of the local church unless it goes completely off the rails. In other words, many Baptist churches are on their own and left to their own devices. This Baptist Child and Family Services organization you speak of - I do not know their affiliation. I will look it up.
Posted by: grammie winger, likes walls, going to hell at February 18, 2016 02:49 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: rickb223 at February 18, 2016 02:47 PM (DfQBn)
You know we could build more bridges. That lead in to alligator infested moats. What are those called again? Water Slides! Everybody loves water slides!
Posted by: Arson Wells at February 18, 2016 02:49 PM (UnJ7w)
are bringing in undocumented, unvetted immigrants are getting paid big
bucks by FedGov to facilitate this.
If that's the case then these Catholic institutions are profiting off the abuse of children. Seriously, the whole "send us your kids!" bit of Obama's is just evil in so many ways; these kids are being abused on the way here, and now it's come out that DHS is not vetting the people who take them in. There's the exposure to disease in the various temporary DHS stations, and then being plunked into public schools as it they have any familiarity with our language, culture, etc.. This is NOT caring.
Posted by: Lizzy at February 18, 2016 02:49 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: E.T. at February 18, 2016 02:49 PM (yq4gk)
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Adopt a Hot Air Refugee, get free pack of Argue-Mints at the Outrage Outlet! at February 18, 2016 02:50 PM (hLRSq)
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You mean a problem for others with regard to the Church. It hasn't been a problem for the Church itself.
Posted by: SH at February 18, 2016 02:50 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Moderate Trump Voter at February 18, 2016 02:48 PM (99TMU)
http://bit.ly/1QmTC2W
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 18, 2016 02:50 PM (xuouz)
"Rubio is a natural draw for leftist Catholics. No shock there."
No. Take a deep breath. Leftist catholics aren't voting republican. Period. They are leftists by your definition.
Its like your saying Nancy Pelosi would rather vote for Rubio rather than Clinton or Sanders. Just. No. Take a deep breath.
Doesn't matter who the candidate is. These are the people you avoid talking to at the bake sale.
Posted by: simplemind at February 18, 2016 02:50 PM (JTwsP)
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i'll wager at 1:1 odds that my hair survives
Posted by: Donald Trump at February 18, 2016 02:50 PM (PNcou)
Posted by: Moderate Trump Voter at February 18, 2016 02:48 PM (99TMU)
Easy, his boss is Jewish.
Posted by: Iblis at February 18, 2016 02:51 PM (9221z)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 18, 2016 02:51 PM (LUgeY)
ah, you know Francis that well personally, I see
seems clearer to me that the reporter was a leftist shill eager to manipulate the Pope into saying something anti-Trump, and the Pope, in response, was conspicuously measured
Posted by: Feh at February 18, 2016 02:51 PM (sxFc6)
Posted by: notsothoreau at February 18, 2016 02:51 PM (5HBd1)
Posted by: notsothoreau at February 18, 2016 02:51 PM (5HBd1)
He should have criticized that, then. His metaphor, even if well known, is a poor one.
A proper wall would have prevented the Islamic invasion and the following war that is facing Europe.
A proper wall would reduce and prevent some of the ethnic violence that is brewing in the US.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 18, 2016 02:51 PM (uURQL)
Not at all unlike our current POTUS, I'm not sure he believes there is anything that is not his area of expertise.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 18, 2016 02:51 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: notsothoreau at February 18, 2016 02:52 PM (5HBd1)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at February 18, 2016 02:52 PM (99TMU)
seconded
I know plenty of leftist Catholics, and they will never vote (R), ever
Posted by: Feh at February 18, 2016 02:52 PM (sxFc6)
Hey Pope, what about all those walled monasteries back in the day?
Posted by: Frankns at February 18, 2016 02:40 PM (DfooN)
Or someone should ask St. Augustine about walls and their use (died during the besiegment of Hippo by the Vandals so you don't have to Wiki for that reference)
Posted by: Jollyroger at February 18, 2016 02:52 PM (t06LC)
Posted by: DaveA at February 18, 2016 02:52 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Feh
most mis quoted pope in history, yet he never complains or clarifies
Posted by: ThunderB at February 18, 2016 02:53 PM (zOTsN)
I heard Rush saying if the Pope's socialism is so great, why aren't people fleeing America to head for the fairer climes of Cuba and Central America?
Some do head South, but it is after they make their money and want the climate and cheap servants, while living under the US defense umbrella.
Posted by: Illiniwek at February 18, 2016 02:53 PM (5Gpe2)
seems clearer to me that the reporter was a leftist shill eager to
manipulate the Pope into saying something anti-Trump, and the Pope, in
response, was conspicuously measured
I know him at least as well as everyone who is eager to Popesplain him to me.
Little rule of thumb I have...when a guy needs legions of people to explain what he "meant" to say, then there's fire under that smoke.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at February 18, 2016 02:53 PM (PFy0L)
Posted by: H Badger at February 18, 2016 02:53 PM (n/0Nw)
Well, he's not full on liberation theology. For them, every single thing is subsumed to the leftist cause. Jesus wasn't our salvation, communism is, and Jesus was a great dude who was a commie and showed us how. The gospel is not the doing and dying of Jesus Christ, its the political turning over of the means of production to the proletariat.
Francis isn't that far into it. He's a ways, but still seems more or less Christian in his theology.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 18, 2016 02:53 PM (39g3+)
You know, Empress, you could pay someone to do that for you.
Who am I kidding? You could get someone to pay you to do that for you.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at February 18, 2016 02:53 PM (4WhSY)
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How about a DOOR??? A BEEYOUTITFULL door...
Posted by: Donald Trump at February 18, 2016 02:53 PM (PNcou)
a YUGGGEEE bridge. With gold and shit
Posted by: Donald Trump at February 18, 2016 02:43 PM (PNcou)
Just got to put a BIG DAMN GATE on it Don!
Posted by: Saint Peter, Border Patrol Agent, Heaven at February 18, 2016 02:54 PM (f7rv6)
As a Catholic, this Pope is just as fun as Pius XII, who was cool with Hitler.
Posted by: shibumi who is awaiting SMOD at February 18, 2016 02:14 PM (7FH+T)
oh boy
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at February 18, 2016 02:54 PM (0O7c5)
not profiting, since they're non-profits, but they are firmly attached to the federal spigot
which means they are state-controlled
which means they have forfeited real religious authority
Posted by: Feh at February 18, 2016 02:54 PM (sxFc6)
Posted by: Lincolntf at February 18, 2016 02:54 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: The Prophet MoeHoward at February 18, 2016 02:55 PM (t6hpV)
The wall-builder in this time is doing more for peace and protection than anyone else.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 18, 2016 02:55 PM (uURQL)
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at February 18, 2016 02:55 PM (PNcou)
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at February 18, 2016 02:56 PM (df5V4)
Posted by: Adrienne at February 18, 2016 02:56 PM (lVcuh)
http://tinyurl.com/zc9bwt6
All the rage when I was in college, and we were all up in the Twentieth Century Crisis in Values. Newman Center even send a priest over to teach a course on it, because church strategists told them all college students were communists, and they'd better get to bridge-buildin'. That priest is still in the business, and has quite a following; some consider him a major theologian. Boy did he hate Ayn Rand.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 18, 2016 02:56 PM (xq1UY)
Posted by: DaveA at February 18, 2016 02:57 PM (DL2i+)
Well yeah. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt a couple times. He was speaking in another language, and the press pretty much despises Roman Catholicism to the same degree they are ignorant about Christianity in general. So: chances are they got it wrong and stupid.
But there's way too established a pattern here. And, long ago, I predicted this was what would happen to the Roman Catholic church. The last guy was the last of the old guard. Wait til the next pope comes along...
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 18, 2016 02:57 PM (39g3+)
Frank, I don't think he's all that. Humility could do him well, and while this might even move Trump up a point, it's temporary unless they keep it in the news.
(I snickered at "via Hot Air", it reminds me of "please clap". I'll take your word for it, I'm done with EM and that crew.)
Posted by: IP at February 18, 2016 02:57 PM (aQQbl)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 18, 2016 02:58 PM (0q2P7)
"And with our new 'Whispernet' technology, your indulgence is downloaded wirelessly, and available for almost immediate use."
Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at February 18, 2016 02:58 PM (bpn7O)
It's all part of God's plan (and he was referring to Israel, not the US) but why make it easy for evil to prey upon us?
Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 18, 2016 02:58 PM (Nwg0u)
Francis isn't that far into it. He's a ways, but still seems more or less Christian in his theology.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 18, 2016 02:53 PM (39g3+)
Yeah, he got "exiled" for a while by the Liberation Theologists for not toeing their line. Its one of the reasons JPII elevated him.
He's a Jesuit. So to an American he's going to seem like a leftist. He is orthodox, but he stresses forgiveness, human dignity, and service to the poor more than other issues.
Posted by: Iblis at February 18, 2016 02:58 PM (9221z)
In that day this song will be sung in the land of Judah: "We have a strong city; He sets up walls and ramparts for security"
Posted by: McCool at February 18, 2016 02:58 PM (nCSwS)
Posted by: Feh at February 18, 2016 02:51 PM (sxFc6)
So its your contention that the Vatican has no Political Intelligence Unit?
That even though he came to the US border to make these comments... they were INNOCENT?
Posted by: Saint Peter, Border Patrol Agent, Heaven at February 18, 2016 02:58 PM (f7rv6)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at February 18, 2016 02:59 PM (mEZce)
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yeah, build a bridge, then close the lanes...
hehehehe
Posted by: Chris CHRIST-ie at February 18, 2016 02:59 PM (PNcou)
Posted by: Lizzy at February 18, 2016 02:49 PM (NOIQH)
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This is an invasion from a foreign country facilitated by communists and feckless profiteers who either want this country destroyed or that don't care one way or the other as long as they can make some money. Mooboy comes to mind on the latter.
Posted by: Soona at February 18, 2016 02:59 PM (Fmupd)
No, Pius XII was not cool with Hitler. However, he made the same error that this pope is with Islam. Both fear for their people, particularly in areas controlled by the bad guys, so they are very restrained in their condemnations and statements.
So how many points will Trump's numbers rise in the polls, as a result of the insults from Pope Commie I
Maybe a few points just because its reminding people of immigration.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 18, 2016 03:00 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Blano at February 18, 2016 02:47 PM (3eoPa)
The go to source on this stuff is Ann Corcoran's Refugee Resettlement Watch. It will infuriate you, but it's stuff that everyone should know. This link will give you an idea of what a scam some of these so-called charities are, and the magnitude of dollars going to the likes of BCGS and Catholic Charities. I can't remember where I saw the per refugee amount, it was either RRW or at Sailer's.
http://tinyurl.com/p8wp4xc
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at February 18, 2016 03:02 PM (nFdGS)
look, I like what Trump is doing, and I get annoyed with the Pope, but I've also heard and seen the pope in person, and have great respect for his sanctity and integrity (until proven otherwise)
he is definitely on the side of the poor. he is not an intellectual. he has very little patience with selfishness and carelessness. he most definitely is ruled first by his heart, which I believe is honest, open, and good.
it seems he *enjoys* pricking the consciences of those who are not poor
personally, I wish he'd say less and do more, but I'm not going to put myself above the Pope
sorry
Posted by: Feh at February 18, 2016 03:02 PM (sxFc6)
He's a Jesuit. So to an American he's going to seem like a leftist. He is orthodox, but he stresses forgiveness, human dignity, and service to the poor more than other issues.
Yep. Trying to explain what "Jesuit" means to non catholics is pretty hard.That's a good effort but that's mostly because I already know what you mean.
Posted by: simplemind at February 18, 2016 03:03 PM (JTwsP)
seconded
I know plenty of leftist Catholics, and they will never vote (R), ever
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Third-ed
That's why I say Catholics vote 50% Dem and 50% Republic in elections.
Blacks vote 90% Dem
Jews vote 78- 80% Dem
Catholics vote 50% Dem
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 18, 2016 03:04 PM (sbCWj)
who said anything about intelligence?
/snark
I would say Francis enjoys pricking consciences and looks for opportunities to prick them
and he has people around him, absolutely, who want to use him for political purposes all the time
unfortunately, I know some of them
Posted by: Feh at February 18, 2016 03:05 PM (sxFc6)
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Nice try. He's nothing but communist community organizer. He's no better than Fredo and his ilk.
Posted by: Soona at February 18, 2016 03:05 PM (Fmupd)
the drug cartels are following the illeagal immigrants into the u.s. and setting up shop in poor neighborhoods.is it christian to expose americas youth to these violent gangs and their drugs?
Posted by: flawless male logic at February 18, 2016 03:05 PM (lKyWE)
Let me give a further expository.
http://tinyurl.com/h9jtawy
"Vote, don't vote, I won't meddle. But I simply say, if he says these things, this man is not a Christian,"
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 18, 2016 03:06 PM (0q2P7)
Pull the other one there, Francis.
He's hardcore LT. FWIW, the "young christian workers" started as the "young trade unionists".
You'll pardon me if I don't see that as "service" to anything more than a grasp for power (in this case outside the traditional state).
Martin Luther was right. Likely nuts, but right.
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 18, 2016 03:07 PM (C9pBZ)
maybe you read too much Dan Brown
I wouldn't go that far. am I bothered and annoyed by him? yes. do I think he's a Catholic Obama, a stealth communist? no.
Posted by: Feh at February 18, 2016 03:08 PM (sxFc6)
He is orthodox, but he stresses forgiveness, human dignity, and service
to the poor more than other issues.
Posted by: Iblis at February 18, 2016 02:58 PM (9221z)
__________________________________Sounds like a leftist to me. All bullshit. Give away someone ELSES money...The Vatican has billions in investments..the Vatican is decked out like Trumps apartment.Has he petitioned the Vatican to give it away and live a "church mouse", barely a crumb left for the poor mouse?
Posted by: Mr. Really Obvious at February 18, 2016 03:08 PM (aRUb8)
If we are going to turn this into a theological debate. No Martin Luther was not right. He had some valid greviences but he definitely wasn't "right".
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 18, 2016 03:09 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: IP - NOW Fat Free! at February 18, 2016 03:10 PM (aQQbl)
Posted by: Geoffrey at February 18, 2016 03:10 PM (LoRcb)
Posted by: rich at February 18, 2016 03:11 PM (CRVJp)
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Mr.Really Obvious tells the truth!!
Posted by: The Pope of Green Witch Village at February 18, 2016 03:11 PM (aRUb8)
Posted by: simplemind at February 18, 2016 03:11 PM (JTwsP)
Posted by: Feh at February 18, 2016 03:11 PM (sxFc6)
Posted by: True Con Cat at February 18, 2016 03:11 PM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 18, 2016 03:12 PM (r1fLd)
Posted by: mrp at February 18, 2016 03:13 PM (JBggj)
there are Catholics who try to reconcile the Catechism with free market capitalism, but they're a minority
those folks need more support
Posted by: Feh at February 18, 2016 03:13 PM (sxFc6)
Open the treasury. Make them unpoor.
If we are going to turn this into a theological debate"
Francis opened that door.
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 18, 2016 03:14 PM (C9pBZ)
Posted by: simplemind at February 18, 2016 03:15 PM (JTwsP)
Posted by: Satan at February 18, 2016 03:16 PM (aRUb8)
Posted by: Feh at February 18, 2016 03:16 PM (sxFc6)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 18, 2016 03:16 PM (1g+wZ)
Pretty much the same as other wealthy heads - how do we keep what we have and get more.
Actual concerns for any "poor" (that's really, really starting to p*** me off) SA/CA/Mexicans lined up to cross the Rio Grande near El Paso this evening? Damn little. If any.
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 18, 2016 03:17 PM (C9pBZ)
Francis opened that door.
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 18, 2016 03:14 PM (C9pBZ)
==========================================What door is that? The door of ..YOU give your money away..I like all the marble and gold?
Posted by: Satan at February 18, 2016 03:17 PM (aRUb8)
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 18, 2016 03:18 PM (C9pBZ)
That's what we call passive-aggressive.
And he doesn't want to meddle but then pulls a stunt at the border which can only be seen a meddling.
I don't care whether he calls himself a marxist or not - a rose by any other name - or he's not smart enough to understand his actions and words are a marxist and not similar to those of Jesus.
Jesus commanded us to depend on God not on man.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 18, 2016 03:19 PM (sbCWj)
Posted by: rich at February 18, 2016 03:20 PM (CRVJp)
Posted by: simplemind at February 18, 2016 03:03 PM (JTwsP)
Yeah, non-catholics think they're these evil Svengalis who control the world. Or religious shock troops or something, because they have "generals".
They're actually priests trying to emulate Jesus' life of service. Because Loyola and his original companions were highly educated, they were asked to teach others. Thus their legacy in education began. Which is also where their legacy with the powerful began, because then, only the rich and clergy were educated beyond reading and simple math. There are a couple of phrases that exemplify the Jesuit mindset"
Homines Pro Aliis- Which means basically "Men for Others". A reference to service, helping the poor, teaching, etc.
Cura Personalis- Care for the whole person. Its not enough to educate someone's mind, you must enrich their soul as well.
Magis- This one is tricky, sometimes it refers to excellence, but really its about helping someone achieve their full potential with the gifts that God has given them.
Posted by: Iblis at February 18, 2016 03:20 PM (9221z)
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Wow. Comparing Francis to John Paul II? Apples and oranges.
JPII was a champion of freedom and sovereignty. Of course the commies hated him. Please tell me of the assassination attempts by communists on this pope.
Posted by: Soona at February 18, 2016 03:21 PM (Fmupd)
I wonder what they're thinkin' in the Holy See's Secretariat of State tonight.
Posted by: mrp at February 18, 2016 03:13 PM (JBggj)
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I wouldn't bet on Secretariat again...must be almost ready for the glue factory by now.
Posted by: Loomis at February 18, 2016 03:22 PM (aRUb8)
Hypocritical, too, with wall around Vatican and him now preaching it is ok for birth control in South America. What's next? Abortion? Gay rights?
He has a communist bent, so guess he would support Sanders (who could be an atheist for all I know).
Go home, Pope. The Bible also says not to judge and cast stones. Believing that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who died for and forgives our sins makes us Christian...not a buffet line of Chrisitianaity, choosing this or that when the time suits. bah. Too polite to pfft, but you need to go back to your Vatican wall, protected by the Swiss Guard (which, last time I checked, I had neither protection from MS-13 or isis).
Deep breaths, ChristyB...
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at February 18, 2016 03:23 PM (cmXKg)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 18, 2016 03:23 PM (1g+wZ)
Posted by: mrp at February 18, 2016 03:23 PM (JBggj)
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 18, 2016 03:24 PM (sbCWj)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 18, 2016 03:26 PM (8PbKi)
Deep breaths, ChristyB...
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at February 18, 2016 03:23 PM (cmXKg)
It also says to judge a tree by its fruits. We're supposed to show mercy, not give up discernment.
Posted by: Iblis at February 18, 2016 03:26 PM (9221z)
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 18, 2016 03:24 PM (sbCWj)
This.
He's not my pope, so I don't feel obligated to listen to anything he says.
That said, isn't there a verse in the Bible about a millstone around the neck of someone who leads God's children astray? Has he said anything about Christ's salvation or is he only spouting off Marxist/Liberation Theology statements?
Posted by: Moki at February 18, 2016 03:27 PM (7q2ch)
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 18, 2016 03:24 PM (sbCWj)
He did, but he did it in Spanish, but it doesn't fit the narrative.
Posted by: Iblis at February 18, 2016 03:28 PM (9221z)
1. Catholics do not worship Mary.
2. Confession bestows a grace of perfection of contrition, Catholics do not believe it to be the source of forgiveness.
3. Cardinal is an administrative title of conclave voters. Not a specific ministry.
4. Deacons, Priests, and Bishops are Deacons, Presbyters, and Apostles in the sense of Biblical ministry.
5. No the Church clergy isn't always right on every subject they opine. And yes even the Bishop whom inherited Peter's apostolate can get things wrong when he isn't speaking with authority. That doesn't mean she isn't the Church of Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit doesn't protect the clergy from being stupid all the time. Just from being wrong in certain very narrow circumstances.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 18, 2016 03:28 PM (0q2P7)
Yes, I am NOT a fan of Trump. But the Pope was way WAY out of line.
Posted by: WannabeAnglican at February 18, 2016 03:30 PM (NWYnU)
Do you really want us to check the history of the Catholic Church?
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 18, 2016 03:32 PM (1g+wZ)
The Bible warns you will be judged to the same measure that you judge. His condemnation here likely is past prudent. But not beyond his authority so long has he is OK with the consequence.
I don't recall Pope Francis hurling a rock at anyone. I do recall Jesus spending a lot of time harshly rebuking people. Don't throw stones doesn't mean you can't criticize. That's really amateurish interpretation that I would expect from the left.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 18, 2016 03:34 PM (0q2P7)
Of course, this creates an inherent tension for believers who are politically active. But I also think this tension is healthy; it keeps us from becoming complacent and convincing ourselves that the easy path is the moral path just because it's easy.
Posted by: Ex-liberal at February 18, 2016 03:34 PM (R1mDg)
Posted by: Iblis at February 18, 2016 03:26 PM (9221z
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Strange fruit indeed.
Posted by: Billy Holiday at February 18, 2016 03:35 PM (aRUb8)
Jesus wouldn't pull a stunt at the border demanding something from their neighbors. Jesus would pray to God in heaven.
This Pope is a horrible representation of Jesus but a good representative of a marxist community organizer.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 18, 2016 03:35 PM (sbCWj)
Posted by: Billy Holiday at February 18, 2016 03:35 PM (aRUb
Tell me about it. I still don't know why JPII liked him.
Posted by: Iblis at February 18, 2016 03:37 PM (9221z)
I was responding to someone else. and forgot my ">>>". But yes you absolutely should. The Catholic Church is the most influential institution of post post classical history. Most people know far to little about it, and the absolute pittance they do know was taught by those that had it out for the Church.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 18, 2016 03:39 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 18, 2016 03:32 PM (1g+wZ)
Yeah. Check it. Two thousand years of piety, scandal, sacrifice, courage, cravenness, beauty, horror, grand ideas, and petty bickering. Its worth learning.
Posted by: Iblis at February 18, 2016 03:40 PM (9221z)
think this tension is healthy; it keeps us from becoming complacent and
convincing ourselves that the easy path is the moral path just because
it's easy.
Posted by: Ex-liberal at February 18, 2016 03:34 PM (R1mDg)
Depends, doesn't it? Is it simply a coincidence that all the issues he presents to offer this "healthy tension" happen to be the very same issues trying to be marched over peoples faces as the marxist left?? "Too rich"..."Capitalism bad"..."greedy"...GLOBAL WARMING", etc, etc.?
Posted by: Mr. Really Obvious at February 18, 2016 03:41 PM (aRUb8)
Wow. Comparing Francis to John Paul II? Apples and oranges.
Well, its not really a comparison. Its just that communists are the enemies of the catholic church in reality, not inhyperbole. They nearly killed the Pope a short time ago. It seems over the top to say that he's a communist. That's like saying he's an atheist and anti catholic.
If that is your position, fine. That's your position. There are those who believe the catholic church has been infiltrated by communist agents. There was a woman in Germany a communist agent who admitted after conversion that she had recruited communists and sent them to seminary. I forget the name, but it is a published book.
I think it is unlikely he is a communist because there are so many liberal Catholics that think like this --he's probably just a liberal catholic. It is less likely he is a closet atheist. But if that's your position that's your position. Its a free country still. You don't have to stretch all that way to explain his liberal comments. Just think Nancy Pelosi, or Father Flager . . . there are very liberal people who consider themselves orthodox. Pelosi covered her head when she went to meet the Pope. He refused to take a picture with her.
Posted by: simplemind at February 18, 2016 03:42 PM (JTwsP)
and he sent them out to preach the kingdom of God and to heal. 3 And he said to them, "Take nothing for your journey, no staff, nor bag, nor bread, nor money; and do not have two tunics. 4 And whatever house you enter, stay there, and from there depart. 5 And wherever they do not receive you, when you leave that town shake off the dust from your feet as a testimony against them."
>>>Jesus wouldn't pull a stunt at the border demanding something from their neighbors.
Conjecture. Jesus pulled plenty of "stunts" to highlight issues.
>>>This Pope is a horrible representation of Jesus but a good representative of a marxist community organizer.
Opinion. I think he's good in some areas and notably lacking in others.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 18, 2016 03:43 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Mr. Really Obvious at February 18, 2016 03:43 PM (aRUb8)
Posted by: TRUMP UNIVERSIRTY GRADUATE at February 18, 2016 03:44 PM (/s1LA)
Why is that?
Maybe because he's a reasonable representative of the opinions and mindset of the people the Church was given her missive to bring to Christ? Maybe? Just perhaps?
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 18, 2016 03:46 PM (0q2P7)
1. Catholics do not worship Mary
Mike is on fire.
Just chiming in to say. She's our mother. Christ on the cross: Mother behold your son, Son behold your mother.
Christ adopted us and gave us Mary as your mother.
Do you love your mother? Its not worship, its just love.
That's what you'll get in return.
Pray the Rosary, you'll see what I mean. I say it everyday.
Posted by: simplemind at February 18, 2016 03:47 PM (JTwsP)
Why is that?
Posted by: Mr. Really Obvious at February 18, 2016 03:43 PM (aRUb
Who do you think invented the Devil's Advocate?
Posted by: Iblis at February 18, 2016 03:47 PM (9221z)
Right. He didn't say break in through the window. He didn't say pick their locks and steal their social security numbers.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 18, 2016 03:47 PM (sbCWj)
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 18, 2016 03:49 PM (sbCWj)
So we are down from "Jesus didn't say beg, borrow or steal" to "Jesus didn't say steal." I'd agree that's accurate. Glad we had this chat.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 18, 2016 03:49 PM (0q2P7)
The stones he casts leave ripples, which are then taken and held high for the pious. Kaplunk, here is one of my political stones, says ole Pope Politics.
I am no theologian. I do read the Bible, both books. And there are plenty of references to walled towns for protection. Not a thing wrong with a wall, considering that the USA is the most generous country in the world for the poor. In addition to stones, he is casting aversions and divisions with his utter hypocritical judging of an American politician.
Popes, one would assume, are here on this earth to teach us about Biblical truths, not to point fingers...when US Senators support abortion yet take communion. Let him work on that wall, where billions of unborn die each year.
Love you, Mike. Don't tred on me as my Redneck Queen ancestry goes back generations (look up redneck and see how, when fighting the Church of England, my ancestors wrote in blood they had rights).
This Pope is succeeding, where other Popes never attempted, to divide. Where is his dang bridge? Maybe he needs to take his Pope Mobile and go clean up the Vatican's mess and take down his own wall before throwing stones at me and others who support a border for security. bah.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at February 18, 2016 03:49 PM (cmXKg)
Does it seem odd that the Vatican employs an atheist as one of the Popes advisers??
Well didn't Clinton employ Dick Morris?
These things are done in an effort, ironically, to build bridges.
Posted by: simplemind at February 18, 2016 03:49 PM (JTwsP)
Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at February 18, 2016 03:52 PM (ocw+t)
Posted by: Crrr6 (hotair refugee) at February 18, 2016 03:52 PM (FparX)
the opinions and mindset of the people the Church was given her missive
to bring to Christ? Maybe? Just perhaps?
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 18, 2016 03:46 PM (0q2P7)
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How so? HE (the atheist) is "advising" the Pope.HE (The Pope) is evangelizing the atheists values.
How does that work?
Posted by: Mr. Really Obvious at February 18, 2016 03:52 PM (aRUb8)
I admit I don't pay attention to Popes, but this guy I had hope for. As an adult I paid attention to the peace Pope John Paul II spoke of. I paid attention to Pope Benedict. And I had hope for this one...even excused some things said as lost in translation.
But many had it right: A Jesuit from S. America...with more in common with Communists than you'd think.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at February 18, 2016 03:53 PM (cmXKg)
Posted by: Crrr6 (hotair refugee) at February 18, 2016 03:52 PM (FparX)
When your wife dies, yes.
The priest who taught us Pre Cana had 3 kids and 6 or 8 grand kids.
Posted by: Iblis at February 18, 2016 03:55 PM (9221z)
It's embarassing to me as a Catholic that you would compare the Son of God, Our Lord, to a traveling circus or a talk show host 'highlighting issues.'
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 18, 2016 03:57 PM (sbCWj)
How so? HE (the atheist) is "advising" the Pope.HE (The Pope) is evangelizing the atheists values.
How does that work?
Well, if you think the Pope is a puppet and incapable of making decisions independentlythen you would have a point. Say Barak Obama and Valerie Jarret.
I think this Pope is just liberal. About 50% of all Catholics in this country are hard core democrats. That's just how it is. You are going to get liberal minded Popes. Don't let it get your underwear twisted.The catholic voteisn't going to turn on what the Pope says. Its not like JPII or Benedict caused 100 catholic vote for republicans did it?
Breathe.
Posted by: simplemind at February 18, 2016 03:58 PM (JTwsP)
Posted by: simplemind at February 18, 2016 03:49 PM (JTwsP)
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What are you basing that claim on?Can you give some past examples of this?
Posted by: Mr. Really Obvious at February 18, 2016 03:58 PM (aRUb8)
He rebuked not pulled stunts.
This Pope pulled a stunt.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 18, 2016 03:49 PM (sbCWj)
Well your Bible sure sucks.
In mine, Jesus turned water to wine at a wedding, fed five thousand with five loaves and a fish, raised the dead, cured the sick, and WALKED ON WATER! and raised from the dead himself!
Posted by: Iblis at February 18, 2016 03:59 PM (9221z)
That's what the Pharisees thought of his ministry. You may disagree with them now. But that is certainly how they thought.
To be objective, the definition of stunt to which you refer, basically, remarkable actions meant to garner attention, objectively, absolutely. When Jesus demands the stone on Lazarus tomb be removed prior to him performing the Resurrection is a good example.
>>> The Son of God didn't pull stunts.
Is just creative amateur theology invented to open a convenient avenue of criticism, and just isn't true.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 18, 2016 03:59 PM (0q2P7)
incapable of making decisions independentlythen you would have a point.
Say Barak Obama and Valerie Jarret.
I think this Pope is just
liberal. About 50% of all Catholics in this country are hard core
democrats.
Posted by: simplemind at February 18, 2016 03:58 PM (JTwsP)
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I don't think he's a "puppet" at all, any more than I think that Obama is a "puppet of the Marxist left.
In your opinion, what are some of the differences between a "Liberal" and a Marxist?
Posted by: Mr. Really Obvious at February 18, 2016 04:01 PM (aRUb8)
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Except that Jesus wasn't talking to us, He was giving specific instruction to John, the apostle He loved, to take care of her as Joseph didn't seem to be around anymore. For which John was rewarded with long life and the vision he recorded in Revelation.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 18, 2016 04:01 PM (ZbV+0)
Frankly, I'd either FASCAM the whole border and re-sow as needed, sparing the cost of a fence, or, grow a US version of the Foreign Legion to patrol the border to supplement what we have now.
Posted by: Ibin Pharteen at February 18, 2016 04:04 PM (s3I9l)
Posted by: gracepc at February 18, 2016 04:05 PM (OU4q6)
See you think Jesus was a marxist or something.
Jesus said take nothing and spread the gospel. Where you are received take their charity and where you are not to leave.
Now I'm not going to get into further discussions of why it's bad to turn down God and the gospel because it's too spiritual for a political forum but...
Jesus NEVER said force them, or take stuff that your neighbor has, or make them shelter you.
He was all about spreading the gospel not getting stuff from your neighbor. God will take care of your daily needs not government or your neighbor.
He said be charitable to the poor those are different things than a Pope playing political marxist.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 18, 2016 04:06 PM (sbCWj)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 18, 2016 04:07 PM (1g+wZ)
Posted by: Martin Luther at February 18, 2016 04:08 PM (yvwr7)
It's embarrassing to me that you can't possibly understand "THAT'S EXACTLY HOW THE PHARISEES THOUGHT OF CHRIST"
So we shouldn't be so sure of our judgement based on that alone.
Just saying something is a "Stunt" is no argument at all to its validity or value. It's a non-statement.
Let me recast the subject so your embarrassed mind might better understand it.
Person A = "Christ didn't preach to the multitude therefore this guy is bunk, not following the way of Christ"
Person B = "Christ did preach to the multitude, see example X"
You = "Person B You are embarrassing me comparing Christ to a talk show host"
Pure lunancy. Not logical at all.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 18, 2016 04:09 PM (0q2P7)
In mine, Jesus turned water to wine at a wedding, fed five thousand with five loaves and a fish, raised the dead, cured the sick, and WALKED ON WATER! and raised from the dead himself!"
Those aren't stunts. Those were miracles. Acts of by the Son of God.
Geez, such irreverence for Our Lord.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 18, 2016 04:09 PM (sbCWj)
Posted by: Tom at February 18, 2016 04:09 PM (a+azm)
Posted by: DM at February 18, 2016 04:09 PM (Loq+3)
Posted by: Iblis at February 18, 2016 03:59 PM (9221z)
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Apples to oranges imo.As a "stunt" did Jesus ever play up to the Romans and say .."You know...these guys have some valid ideas. I can hang with them a bit. I even hired one of them to give me advise..not sure how much I'm paying him...it just comes out of the donations."?
Posted by: Mr. Really Obvious at February 18, 2016 04:10 PM (aRUb8)
We actually can't save Mexico from it'self, the Pope may think we can, but he's wrong.
I am not Catholic. So I don't really care what the man says. Other than thinking he is uneducated on what is actually going on. And hypocritical, since they aren't letting people just stream into Vatican City and mess up their lives.
I guess the Pope thinks his own life is too important to mess up, but my puny little life is not worth as much.
Posted by: petunia at February 18, 2016 04:11 PM (VoCyE)
"What are you basing that claim on?Can you give some past examples of this?"
I did already, you must have missed it in your --focus. Clinton had Dick Morris a republican as his primary political advisor.
You probably missed a bunch of stuff I said, which I'm not going to rehash here. Except to say, that I think it unlikely this Pope is anything more than a liberal catholic. There are a lot of them. He's not going to alter the vote and he's not calling you unchristian. He might be calling Trump unchristian, depending.He'snot even sure of that. Which isthe problem really, why say it at all. Gratuitous, ill informed,not particularly clear. But communist? Well I just can't get there from here. I do understand your feelings however. Its shocking I think to non catholics who were used to JPII and Benedict to realize a lot of Catholics, a lot, are liberals.
I know sorry won't cover it, but I'll offer it anyway, to thoseinjured.Really Sorry.
Posted by: simplemind at February 18, 2016 04:13 PM (JTwsP)
He was in the USA. Did he speak of abortion? (He could have, not paying attention). Did he speak of those in US Senate, leaders, who are Catholic and vote for abortion and gay marriage? No?
I'd say, if the answer is: no, he is a Buffet Catholic, like others I know, who judge me for not being Catholic, yet vote for those who do advocate murdering the unborn and deciding, for themselves as everything is ok!, that gay marriage and homosexuality is normal and good. That the Bible is an old document that does not matter anymore. Then they take this "old document" and pick and parse words about the poor, somehow turning that into a wall for security between the US and Mexico.
This Pope is now saying it is ok to practice birth control in South America, for the Zika virus. Ok. Welp, a study showed that of around 600 microcephalic babies, surprise! only 40 or so really had small heads/brains. Of that 40 or so, SIX were positive for the virus. SIX. (I read the article weeks ago,so bite me). So, for the SIX, go against previous thought and do practice birth control. What is next? Advocating the "off shore abortion ship" I read of?
Hey, I think I will just open my Bible randomly and declare something...and take it so literally vs spiritual thought or history, that I will pluck off this hand that is typing.
Again, please name a Pope who dove into American politics. Anyone got that answer other than ole Francis? Who was supposed to preach peace, right? Bringing the sinner back to the fold. I am not a sinner/non-Christian because I want a secure border, to protect my family from ISIS or MS-13.
Now, am going to stop right here. xoxo
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at February 18, 2016 04:13 PM (cmXKg)
No.
No
and
No.
Next wild accusation.
>>>Jesus NEVER said force them
Boy I sure fail to see where I said he did. I'd be mostly inclined to agree with that (Mostly, he did say, " I tell you, it shall be more tolerable on that day for Sodom than for that town." which is some pretty harsh stuff, and a fairly significant caveat, but he never said force them)
Next wild accusation.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 18, 2016 04:13 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Iblis at February 18, 2016 03:47 PM (9221z)
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Robert DeNiro?
Posted by: Mr. Really Obvious at February 18, 2016 04:14 PM (aRUb8)
Jesus performed miracles and he rebuked sinners. He did not pull stunts. You should be ashamed to represent Jesus as some third rate community organized.
Jesus would have take the poor out into the barren dessert and provided bread and fish while preaching the gospel not dragging them to the gates demanding entitlement shit.
Jesus commanded us to spread the gospel and depend on God. Render to Ceasar that which is Ceasars.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 18, 2016 04:15 PM (sbCWj)
The Pope is not a communist but I bet he would readily admit he was a socialist.
I think someone should ask this question of him and see what he says. He's gone there, the speculation is out there. I wouldn't try to predict his answer.
Posted by: simplemind at February 18, 2016 04:17 PM (JTwsP)
Posted by: simplemind at February 18, 2016 04:13 PM (JTwsP)
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Focus, indeed.I was referring to examples of past Popes doing like things, and things like..employing atheists.
Posted by: Mr. Really Obvious at February 18, 2016 04:18 PM (aRUb8)
Yeah, because the Jewish way at the time of reward on earth for good works was exactly what Christ preached.
Posted by: doug at February 18, 2016 04:19 PM (Y7fRE)
Posted by: flawless male logic at February 18, 2016 04:21 PM (lKyWE)
>>>Geez, such irreverence for Our Lord.
It's not irreverence it's objectivity. Stunt only has a negative connotation if you assign it. So crawl out of your "You can't say that about Jesus" mental prison. Jesus did some things to get attention. Because attention was necessary for his mission and ministry, in other words to complete God's will.
Get over it.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 18, 2016 04:21 PM (0q2P7)
I can't take anybody seriously that equates Jesus' actions or acts as stunts.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 18, 2016 04:26 PM (sbCWj)
Posted by: simplemind at February 18, 2016 04:17 PM (JTwsP)
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What is the difference? I'm not asking for nuance...just the main difference, in your opinion.How do their talking points and policy suggestions differ?
Posted by: Mr. Really Obvious at February 18, 2016 04:26 PM (aRUb8)
The priest who taught us Pre Cana had 3 kids and 6 or 8 grand kids.
Posted by: Iblis at February 18, 2016 03:55 PM (9221z)
Canon law? Immutable. Border laws? Meh. Got it.
Posted by: Crrr6 (hotair refugee) at February 18, 2016 04:27 PM (FparX)
I'm objective and apparently that makes some uncomfortable good.
Jesus did some things to get attention, because he needed attention for what he was doing. GET OVER IT.
>>>You should be ashamed to represent Jesus as some third rate community organized.
I'm not representing him as that. You are inferring that. You should be ashamed. I'm simply being objective. Jesus did some things to get attention, because he needed attention for what he was doing. GET OVER IT.
>>>Jesus would have
That's conjecture, exactly how Jesus would handle the same situation. FTR I agree he would have done it differently. However, whether this particular "stunt" was good or bad, meritorious or detrimental, is completely different conversation than "It was a stunt, Jesus never did stunts".
Jesus did some things to get attention, because he needed attention for what he was doing. GET OVER IT.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 18, 2016 04:27 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at February 18, 2016 04:28 PM (6gR7l)
No?
One Lords prayer,,, 7 or 8 Hail Marys
Repeat ad nauseum
And can't let the tubes read scripture for themselves. Why, we might lose our power over them.
Posted by: 1Hz at February 18, 2016 04:28 PM (Mw7bJ)
Same message for you...As a catholic, I can't take anybody seriously that equates Jesus' actions or acts as stunts.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 18, 2016 04:29 PM (sbCWj)
572. So then you know there are a lot of catholics who are liberals.
He's not a JPII or Benedict. He's kind of ashock after those two.
There are a lot of liberals in the college of cardinals. When it gets down to voting you sometimes vote for the least worst option --all the other options being evenmore liberal.
Like when we all voted for the formergovernor of Massachusetts last time around. Pretty much would be considered a democrat in most other states.
I don't think I'm not Christian because I agree with you about border issues. Wish it hadn't happened however, it did.
I can only stress, do no think that his political comments will change the vote at all. The majority of UScatholics aren't awesome at going to church on Sunday. They will vote the way they were going to vote anyway.
Posted by: simplemind at February 18, 2016 04:29 PM (JTwsP)
Posted by: flawless male logic at February 18, 2016 04:30 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: 1Hz at February 18, 2016 04:32 PM (Mw7bJ)
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There's one!....get 'em!!!
Posted by: Mr. Really Obvious at February 18, 2016 04:33 PM (aRUb8)
he was already asked if he was a socialist and he said he is not
Posted by: flawless male logic at February 18, 2016 04:30 PM (lKyWE)
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And?
Posted by: Mr. Really Obvious at February 18, 2016 04:34 PM (aRUb8)
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Fine. That John was given the task of finishing the Bible reflected Christ's favor for him, if you prefer.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 18, 2016 04:35 PM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: spilled brains at February 18, 2016 04:36 PM (5XBgF)
I can't take anybody seriously that equates Jesus' actions or acts as stunts.
so what was it? it wasn't a miracle.he could have just rebuked them but he didn't
Posted by: flawless male logic at February 18, 2016 04:36 PM (lKyWE)
Posted by: Mimzey at February 18, 2016 04:39 PM (aRUb8)
Mother/son worship system
No?
One Lords prayer,,, 7 or 8 Hail Marys
Repeat ad nauseum
And can't let the tubes read scripture for themselves. Why, we might lose our power over them.
So, if you actually look it up to see what it involves you will see you are not correct. I expect this is what you were taught however.
Its a active mediation on the gospels. Each mystery recalls a specific gospel reading which you reflect upon while saying the prayers. You read the gospel. Ihaveit in front of my whileI pray. Our Father, Glory Be, Hail Mary. Fatima prayer added by same. Yes you pray more hail Mary's 10. for each mystery. You say the Hail Mary's during the mediation. It is a way to focus more intensely on the mediation because your mind is actively doing two things at once, it is very difficultfor the problems of the day to invade on your mind because you are fully occupied. You will find things about the gospel, being opened to you. That is what the "mystery" part is. It is a discovery of new meaning.
I understand you were probably taught differently. Its easy enough to look up on the internet if you really are interested in the fact. Rosary Confraternity.
Every catholic mass has gospel readings. We are encouraged to read the bible every day. The divine office of the church, daily prayers said multiple times a day includes old and new testament readings. I understand you were taught differently, but the facts are easy enough to check if you are interested.
Posted by: simplemind at February 18, 2016 04:40 PM (JTwsP)
Jesus, sinless, perfect, divine, Son of God, Our Lord, The Word.
You really have a lowly understanding of Jesus and his words and acts.
A lot of fitting Jesus into a narrative you want him to fit into instead of what he was/is for a political agenda.
Jesus is above agendas and stunts.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 18, 2016 04:41 PM (sbCWj)
so what was it? it wasn't a miracle.he could have just rebuked them but he didn't
Posted by: flawless male logic at February 18, 2016 04:36 PM (lKyWE)
______________________________________A reaction? Do you equate all reactions as "stunts"?
Posted by: Mimzey at February 18, 2016 04:41 PM (aRUb8)
jesus was human until his resurection.
Posted by: flawless male logic at February 18, 2016 04:44 PM (lKyWE)
jesus was human until his resurection.
Posted by: flawless male logic at February 18, 2016 04:44 PM (lKyWE)
____________________________________________Then it was most likely anger.Anger is not a "stunt".Just sayin'
Posted by: Mimzey at February 18, 2016 04:48 PM (aRUb8)
The Pope is not a communist but I bet he would readily admit he was a socialist.
Posted by: simplemind at February 18, 2016 04:17 PM (JTwsP)
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What is the difference? I'm not asking for nuance...just the main difference, in your opinion.How do their talking points and policy suggestions differ?
Max Rockatansky is who is quoted. I was responding to his quote. You elided my comment. this is quite questionable. I hope it was an error on your part. My comment was that I think someone should ask Francis this question.
My concern is that if someone references this as my comment later and uses your quote as proof. I did not say I bet he would admit he was a socialist. I really don't know what he would say. Apparently he was asked and did he was not a socialist. I think in my mind the difference is mainly atheism. In the mind of socialists however, they think there are miles of difference.
Thanks for allowing to express my concern over the way you pulled the quote.
Posted by: simplemind at February 18, 2016 04:49 PM (JTwsP)
You're kidding? Right?
It was a rebuke.
Seriously, people keep getting dumber and dumber.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 18, 2016 04:52 PM (sbCWj)
yes,and anger is a human emotion
Posted by: flawless male logic at February 18, 2016 04:53 PM (lKyWE)
I mean really. It was more work for you to copy the quote with my actual comments deleted. Reallyan odd choice you made. Odd.
Mr. Really Obvious at February 18, 2016 04:26
Posted by: simplemind at February 18, 2016 04:55 PM (JTwsP)
Posted by: Old dan at February 18, 2016 04:58 PM (dD+Ut)
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 18, 2016 05:00 PM (sbCWj)
No?
One Lords prayer,,, 7 or 8 Hail Marys
Repeat ad nauseum
It's a meditative prayer.
While you are doing the 10 Hail Mary's you are supposed to be *meditating on the life of Christ.* It's a meditative prayer not a petition or praise. Surely God doesn't need the repetition, he told us so. There are specific sets of meditative mysteries. My favorite are the luminous. Baptism of Christ, Wedding at Cana, Proclamation of the Kingdom, Transfiguration and the Last Supper.
Not every prayer is a direct petition. Of course those who don't understand the intent just look at the surface. Never bothered to ask why? To maintain the prayerful mood and focus while doing the meditation on Christ. Ignorance ignorance ignorance.
>>>And can't let the tubes read scripture for themselves. Why, we might lose our power over them.
Oh let's not blow things out of proportion you could read scripture for yourself. "But but but you couldn't own a Bible" Couldn't own one without your Bishops permission. Yes for a time in response to the Cathars who were using some creative methods to promote their beliefs, you had to go to a Monastery or Church to read a Bible. Which is what *ordinary* people had to do anyway since reproduction was so costly. The prohibition affected the uber wealthy that could afford a Bible and get permission to own it and the Cathars. That started in about 1230 and ended prior to Gutenbergs publishing of his Bible. Hardly an organized campaign to keep people away from the scriptures.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 18, 2016 05:01 PM (0q2P7)
i realize i'm a catholic and not an authority on christ like you are.but overturning tables and seats and casting those selling doves out of the temple sounds like he was trying to make more of a point than just a rebuke would do
Posted by: flawless male logic at February 18, 2016 05:04 PM (lKyWE)
"Following the holy Fathers, we unanimously teach and confess one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ: the same perfect in divinity and perfect in humanity, the same truly God and truly man,
composed of rational soul and body; consubstantial with the Father as to his divinity and consubstantial with us as to his humanity; "like us in all things but sin." (CCC 467)
"Christ possesses two wills and tow natural operations, diving and human. They are not opposed to each other, but cooperate in such a way that the Word made flesh willed humanly in obedience to his Father all that he had decided divinely with the Father and the Holy Spirit for our salvation. Christ's human will does not resist or oppose but rather submits to his divine and almighty will. (CCC 475)
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 18, 2016 05:07 PM (sbCWj)
Your logical fallacy is Argumentum ad lapidem. Try to be objective.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 18, 2016 05:07 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 18, 2016 05:09 PM (sbCWj)
Except that Jesus wasn't talking to us, He was giving specific instruction to John, the apostle He loved, to take care of her as Joseph didn't seem to be around anymore. For which John was rewarded with long life and the vision he recorded in Revelation.
"Except Jesus wasn't talking to us". Lets talk about that.
YMMV and if it does -- respect.
But I think that if you understand John was a faithful follower of Jesus.Jesus istalking about all faithful followers of Jesus. Not just John, not just men. All Christians, men and women.I think Jesus was talking to us as he did throughout the Bible. I think he kneweverything he was saying would go through theages even to end of the world and beyond. In fact he says so and you knowthat already!So,we already agree he istalking to me and you in the gospels, and everyone else through the ages and ages to come.
Its an interesting thought isn't it, think about it. You have amother in heaven.Better yet, pray on it.
Posted by: simplemind at February 18, 2016 05:10 PM (JTwsP)
Christ's will is God's will. God does not pull stunts.
Why do you feel the need to demote Jesus?
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 18, 2016 05:12 PM (sbCWj)
Are we not brothers and sisters? Do we not know whom are Father is? If Jesus is our Brother as he said, then whom is our mother in this happy family, the brothers and sisters in Christ? If he became the mother of John, is not John our brother too?
That's why your argument there breaks down.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 18, 2016 05:21 PM (0q2P7)
god having jonah swallowed by a whale and having him delivered to where he wanted him to go was a pretty funny stunt
Posted by: flawless male logic at February 18, 2016 05:23 PM (lKyWE)
615. Don't think of it as an argument. Mike, I just think these are things that haven't been considered before because that's not what they were taught. When given fair consideration by an open mind, its a pretty reasonable interpretation that there is more going on there than just a literal
hey put my mom up will ya?
Posted by: simplemind at February 18, 2016 05:24 PM (JTwsP)
So God never does something outlandish or amazing to get peoples' attention? Gonna have to call a big fat smelly bull SH on that one. Try to be objective.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 18, 2016 05:24 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: simplemind at February 18, 2016 05:26 PM (JTwsP)
If I don't talk to you have a great Lent and an excellentEaster.
Se ya. I put one up for your mom.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 18, 2016 05:27 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: simplemind at February 18, 2016 05:29 PM (JTwsP)
comments will change the vote at all. The majority of UScatholics aren't
awesome at going to church on Sunday. They will vote the way they were
going to vote anyway.
Posted by: simplemind at February 18, 2016 04:29 PM (JTwsP)
Agree. But it might change the way conservative catholics see this Pope and their church under his leadership. The GOPe wants squish Republicans and others and this Pope is getting squish Catholics and others.
Posted by: gracepmc at February 18, 2016 05:32 PM (OU4q6)
God doesn't do anything other than exist as the divine perfect spirit he is.
He exists as light and when people allow in the light they experience God and his perfection.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 18, 2016 05:35 PM (sbCWj)
Posted by: simplemind at February 18, 2016 04:49 PM (JTwsP)
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No problem.Your post....the one I responded to, did not make it clear who you were responding to.
Posted by: Mr. Really Obvious at February 18, 2016 05:50 PM (aRUb8)
Posted by: Mimzey at February 18, 2016 05:54 PM (aRUb8)
While there were no end to the pundits who claimed that Pope Benedict was a boy in Germany during the Third Reich and speculating on how that affected his outlook, nobody seems to have noticed that Pope Francis grew up in Argentina during the height of Eva Peron's influence.
Evita's political philosophy, if you can call it that, was a combination of her husband's Mussolini admiring Fascism combined with a disorganized amalgam of populism, cronyism, public charity financed by shakedowns, and religious fervor all tied together by her charismatic personality. There was also Evita's contempt for the rule of law, private property and the middle class.
When I look at Pope Francis, I don't see a communist. I see one of Evita Peron's disciples.
Posted by: obnoxious ahole at February 18, 2016 05:58 PM (MpvuV)
Posted by: obnoxious ahole at February 18, 2016 05:58 PM (MpvuV)
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Whats the difference in practice and philosophy?
Posted by: Mimzey at February 18, 2016 06:02 PM (aRUb8)
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Agreed. I don't particularly like a lot of what the pope is pushing, and on some issues I think he's objectively wrong in a real-world sense. But on the other hand -- maybe it's just my Baptist upbringing, but I also instinctively distrust any religious leader who strokes me and tells me I'm always right about everything.
I think a religious leader -- at least a Christian religious leader -- is SUPPOSED to constantly remind you that whatever you're doing, it's never good enough for God. A real religious leader, in my view, is kind of SUPPOSED to be a huge, unrealistic pain in the ass. "Sinners In The Hands of An Angry God" and all that. That's why I cut the pope a lot of slack that I would never, ever, ever tolerate from a politician.
Posted by: Ex-liberal at February 18, 2016 06:13 PM (R1mDg)
A: Is the Pope Communist?
Posted by: Rodney Dangerfield at February 18, 2016 06:13 PM (mgl7C)
Posted by: Ex-liberal at February 18, 2016 06:13 PM (R1mDg)
____________________________________Why does he never rail about the "excesses" of socialism? He knows what is, and has been, going on in Central and Sought America for most of their history...the hardships the people suffer, why the "socialist" leaders get rich. The brutality, the death squads etc....but THAT gets a back seat to criticizing the country that has raised the most people, world wide, to better and healthier lives.Why do you suppose that is, and what could possibly explain it?
Posted by: Mimzey at February 18, 2016 06:55 PM (aRUb8)
Posted by: Deep Thought at February 18, 2016 07:10 PM (oUYog)
It was built as a walled city
Someone tell Pope Francis
Posted by: RobM1981 at February 18, 2016 07:12 PM (zurJC)
Posted by: simplemind at February 18, 2016 08:13 PM (BTnAK)
Posted by: Mark at February 18, 2016 11:54 PM (cXJOU)
The Church wants to increase it's base in the US. Since they don't think they can convert people they are all for hordes of Catholics poring into the country. That is it end of story. It's not the humanitarian crisis of a failed pirate state to the south it's stacking the US with Catholics that drives his meddling.
Posted by: bestie21 at February 28, 2016 07:18 PM (HUeC4)
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