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Repost- Thoughts on Economic Freedom
***This post originally ran last Friday***
----------------------------------------------------------Hi guys, I'm here just coalescing some thoughts and observations. Ace had complained recently that politicians don't seem to have much of a tongue for conservative philosophy (also known as basic economic facts) anymore. I live in Connecticut, where the Mighty Corrupt Idiot Governor Dannel P. M' Uuhhhloy is busy cooking the books and turning my beautiful state into a debtor's prison. So some things have been on my mind. We look around us and our hearts sink at the tangle we're in. Our national debt will enslave future generations. The political, media, and corporate classes are in an intractable, incestuous conspiracy against the People. Top officers of government are selling American sovereignty and security out from underneath the citizenry, placing us all in risk. Washington D.C. is the lap of wealth and comfort, while everywhere else people are scraping by, underemployed or unemployed. If we want to be able to explain to people why economic freedom is so great, we need to point out why the alternative is deficient. We don't have far to look. In our formerly great cities and states, we are doomed to watch again the same blight of poor governance that we had watched fail forty years ago. Why hasn't anyone learned this lesson, with the many times it has been self-taught?
These governments promise too much to too many. Many nepotic and corrupt arrangements bloom within and without the government apparatus. The politicians vow to make the rich pay for it all. Eventually as economic downturns and excessive public spending create budget shortfalls, the 'rich' must include the middle class.
The lackluster policing that frequently accompanies these regimes makes the area an unsafe place to raise children. Taxpayers can see that they will never be able to improve their lot in life or help their own kids if they are continually harassed and bled of their earnings. In most ways that count to ordinary people, money IS freedom. So the taxpayers eventually leave for places that offer greater opportunity to control one's destiny. Where they can confidently own their own labor, live comfortably, and not be nickled-and-dimed down to their dental fillings. The municipal entities that house those new living quarters see an increase in overall prosperity and commerce, as taxpayers and workers who by definition add value to their surroundings, arrive in greater numbers. The original localities however lose their tax base and must cut services. The end result is a condition of runaway poverty and neglect. I don't need to list the specific cities. We have all seen this movie before. Forty years ago, and today. American economic freedom is indivisible from American freedom itself. If your political ideology sees all of this, and your inclination is to preserve the status quo in D.C., and to make sure working people must be harnessed to the national plow and therefore cannot have economic freedom regardless of where they go inside the country, then you are anti-American and you must be defeated. Soundly. No matter what party you are a member of."Ours is a vision of limited government and unlimited opportunity, of growth and progress beyond what any can see today. A saying in colonial times suggested there are two ways to get to the top of an oak tree, where the view is much better. One is to climb; the other is to find an acorn and sit on it. [Laughter] Well, I didn’t come to Washington to sit on acorns. [Laughter] It’s time to roll up our sleeves and start climbing. . . ."That was then, Ron. Today we need a chainsaw. American liberals have thoroughly erased the real story about American economic freedom from common working knowledge. It was real during the Reagan years, and it was glorious. Lower taxes and regulations meant that people were more free in an absolute sense. They took chances on their own skins, they won, they lost, and overall the economy roared. I don't wonder that some have worked so hard to discredit a history that many of us so recently lived. It has to have been terribly embarrassing to be continually proved wrong for eight years. Today's economy in comparison is a weak and pallid victim of government predation. It doesn't have to be this way. We keep hearing about the poor, as if being successful means someone else must be poor. But the Reagan years proved that was poppycock. The best way to help the poor is to grow the economy to such grand dimensions that economic opportunity is nearly impossible to avoid. And the truly needy poor who remain will be far better off. Giving to others requires excess wealth to exist, first, after all. Questioning our cultural attitudes about the poor and the successful is a worthwhile subject for conservatives to explore. Here's one facet: modern liberals, when challenged about their hostility toward prosperous companies and wealthy people, will says things like, "Well, OF COURSE we like it when people achieve highly, but they also need to give something back (to the poor, we assume)." But in actual practice, they do not show any pleasure when people achieve. In fact it seems to piss them off. They will often say out loud that it is unfair that others should be wealthy, while poor people yet exist. And all of their efforts at helping people to do well are only for their favored cronies and pet causes. When it comes to how they treat everyone else who is participating in the economy at large, they are always cheering for the shakedown, but never encouraging the achievement. Actions speak louder than words. And the actions of liberals trend heavily toward punishing success as if it were a sin. We could further get into how they wrongheadedly celebrate victimhood and dependency as if they were virtues, but this article is already too long. Very simply, if we want to live in a prosperous country, we all need to think like mature adults and start using the language of success and prosperity, with no reservations. We should not be afraid to talk truthfully about how great it is to do well, how important it is to be able to withstand adversity, and to congratulate those who do well and are financially resilient. We should attempt to cultivate success and propagate the message and means of prosperity among the younger people. What more positive and loving message for your fellow man can there be, than to be an unabashed booster for his success and independence? What kind of curmudgeonly national mood have we fallen into, if we despise those who have overflown poverty, and threaten to drag them down to Earth, in some deformed idea of justice? I don't want to be that kind of person. I certainly don't want to associate with that kind of person; the sort of person who is unhappy when I do well. The sort of person who is happy when my success has been thwarted. To Hell with that guy, who needs him? And why would anyone vote for him? Friends, you are my American brethren. Because I love my country, I love you too, and want you to be as prosperous and happy as you can possibly be. In fact it is imperative to our nation's survival that you and your families flourish. Anybody who views you growing your wealth as a bad thing, or who wants to put a heavy yoke on it, needs to go eat a big ol' poop.
-Ronald Reagan
Comments
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1st?
Posted by: rickb223 at February 08, 2016 10:11 AM (Z1oBf)
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I'll get the others.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 08, 2016 10:11 AM (Z1oBf)
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Corgis called
Posted by: rickb223 at February 08, 2016 10:12 AM (Z1oBf)
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Ooooh. True hat trick.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 08, 2016 10:12 AM (Z1oBf)
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And a new comments section to boot?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 08, 2016 10:13 AM (LUgeY)
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Anybody who views you growing your wealth as a bad thing, or who wants to put a heavy yoke on it, needs to go eat a big ol' poop.
So, the left AND the right. Check!
So, the left AND the right. Check!
Posted by: rickb223 at February 08, 2016 10:13 AM (Z1oBf)
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Summer reruns starting early this year.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Sooth! at February 08, 2016 10:13 AM (evdj2)
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I think at a certain time you've made enough money is now morphing into at a certain time you have enough choices in deodorant.
The Long March Forward continues.
The Long March Forward continues.
Posted by: ugg boots at February 08, 2016 10:15 AM (fbovC)
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This post could also be a treatise on empathy and the Golden Rule.
Wanting others to suffer is not who we are as Americans.
Well done, LauraW.
Wanting others to suffer is not who we are as Americans.
Well done, LauraW.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 08, 2016 10:15 AM (LUgeY)
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They do not want economic success. They want serfs and villas in Tuscany and the South of France, plus a Wyoming ranch and a pineapple plantation in Hawaii.
They watched the Middle Class grown into the Upper Class with alarm and hatred. They want this country to be like Mexico where the divide between the Upper Class and the Working Class to be insurmountable.
They watched the Middle Class grown into the Upper Class with alarm and hatred. They want this country to be like Mexico where the divide between the Upper Class and the Working Class to be insurmountable.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at February 08, 2016 10:16 AM (kXoT0)
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AoSHQ has been purchased by Xerox.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 08, 2016 10:16 AM (LLsKs)
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Why hasn't anyone learned this lesson, with the many times it has been self-taught?"
It's human nature, or as Heinlein put it, "bad luck"...
It's human nature, or as Heinlein put it, "bad luck"...
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 08, 2016 10:16 AM (C9pBZ)
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They watched the Middle Class grown into the Upper Class with alarm and hatred. They want this country to be like Mexico where the divide between the Upper Class and the Working Class to be insurmountable.
They tried that in France once. They lost their heads over it.
They tried that in France once. They lost their heads over it.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 08, 2016 10:17 AM (Z1oBf)
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Anybody who views you growing your wealth as a bad thing, or who wants to put a heavy yoke on it, needs to go eat a big ol' poop.
As well as anyone who views your wealth as only granted to you through the sufferance of the state.
Anybody who views you growing your wealth as a bad thing, or who wants to put a heavy yoke on it, needs to go eat a big ol' poop.
As well as anyone who views your wealth as only granted to you through the sufferance of the state.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 08, 2016 10:17 AM (X6fMO)
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It is a fine day when Laura posts! This one is outstanding, and when the Democrats run in the general spouting Sanders/Warren tropes we need to meet them head on. Loudly. Unapologetically. Pull a Trump and just say "they're full of shit".
Posted by: MTF at February 08, 2016 10:18 AM (TxJGV)
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As a fellow inmate in CT, I know your pain. It is not just the rich tycoons that are despised, but any private businessman. In the past new company development was welcomed by both parties, with the Democrats pushing for union involvement. There was little question that new business was a good thing overall. Now unless you are a civil servant or captive minority group nothing about business is supported. Every tree is considered a mighty Sequoia, every road is scenic, every tiny money loosing organic farm is essential to our diet. The actual physical world is somehow not important.
Posted by: DirtyJobsGuy at February 08, 2016 10:18 AM (YZbBp)
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To all the imbecile Leftards: please to be making my income equal to Bill Gates' or else don't bother.
Thankewveramuch.
Thankewveramuch.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 08, 2016 10:18 AM (LUgeY)
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What kind of curmudgeonly national mood have we fallen into, if we
despise those who have overflown poverty, and threaten to drag them down
to Earth, in some deformed idea of justice?
Are you talking about Our Betters in the Ruling Class?
Because them I'd like to drag down.
despise those who have overflown poverty, and threaten to drag them down
to Earth, in some deformed idea of justice?
Are you talking about Our Betters in the Ruling Class?
Because them I'd like to drag down.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 08, 2016 10:18 AM (LLsKs)
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So all we need are some conservative policies and the illiterate, violent and feral inhabitants of our inner cities will instantly transform into paragons of success? I must be missing something here."
Yeah. You are.
Yeah. You are.
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 08, 2016 10:19 AM (C9pBZ)
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So all we need are some conservative policies and the illiterate, violent and feral inhabitants of our inner cities will instantly transform into paragons of success? I must be missing something here.
Yes.
Yes, you are.
Yes.
Yes, you are.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 08, 2016 10:20 AM (LUgeY)
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Bankers will call for the socialization of losses to soon begin, as the market is down 340 points already and dropping.
Posted by: MTF at February 08, 2016 10:21 AM (TxJGV)
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The Reagan years were delightful. Could you imagine how badshit crazy the headlines would be if the 0bama economic policy had EVER ONCE created one million new jobs in a month? Happened often with Reagan.
But we expect less from 0bama.
see also; soft bigotry, low expectations
But we expect less from 0bama.
see also; soft bigotry, low expectations
Posted by: ugg boots at February 08, 2016 10:21 AM (fbovC)
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" In most ways that count to ordinary people, money IS freedom."
Money is a VOTE. A choice among alternatives. Dixie Chicks or M.C. Hammer? Wrigley or DoubleBubble? ChikFilA or BurgerKing? Toyota or Ford?
Money is a VOTE. A choice among alternatives. Dixie Chicks or M.C. Hammer? Wrigley or DoubleBubble? ChikFilA or BurgerKing? Toyota or Ford?
Posted by: Pouncer at February 08, 2016 10:21 AM (K5tcP)
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If you look at the Heritage ratings of countries economic freedom you will see that the US has dropped precipitously since Obama took office. This is normal anytime a socialist takes office but Obama has been one of the absolute worst to come along.
And Laura it is not just raising the debt that will saddle future generation. Obama has done something that has been tried numerous times in other countries and usually winds up catastrophic economic failure. He is monetizing the debt. Nobody is buying US treasuries anymore because they see this. He is simply printing money out to hoo-ha and pouring into all his socialist projects. If we had an honest treasury the current inflation would be rated at over 20% and possibly higher. When Argentina monetized the debt with their socialist inflation got to the levels of Germany n the 30s.
We are headed there now and it will not be pretty.
And Laura it is not just raising the debt that will saddle future generation. Obama has done something that has been tried numerous times in other countries and usually winds up catastrophic economic failure. He is monetizing the debt. Nobody is buying US treasuries anymore because they see this. He is simply printing money out to hoo-ha and pouring into all his socialist projects. If we had an honest treasury the current inflation would be rated at over 20% and possibly higher. When Argentina monetized the debt with their socialist inflation got to the levels of Germany n the 30s.
We are headed there now and it will not be pretty.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 08, 2016 10:21 AM (t2KH5)
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The left hates everyone's success, but their own.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Whale Inc at February 08, 2016 10:21 AM (0x/TW)
Posted by: Diogenes at February 08, 2016 10:21 AM (r65B3)
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I like this thread. It reminds me of one from my youth, before the weekend.
Posted by: joe at February 08, 2016 10:22 AM (KUaJL)
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Post was repeated because it was accidentally smooshed the first time.
Thanks for your comments, Backwards Boy. The Golden Rule was kind of in the back of my brain but I didn't think to actually use those words, for some reason.
Thanks for your comments, Backwards Boy. The Golden Rule was kind of in the back of my brain but I didn't think to actually use those words, for some reason.
Posted by: lauraw at February 08, 2016 10:22 AM (K/zYU)
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Connecticut, you got to see the light like we here in NYS do...many new casinos being built, now there is a proven economic solution. The hell with business, just build a place for everyone to have "fun".
Posted by: colin at February 08, 2016 10:25 AM (Pdb6E)
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Should I repeat my comments from last time? Oh, wait, I don't think I made any.
Seriously, though, I prefer this kind of repost to Ace's *literally bumping the same thread*, what with not having to scroll for five hours past the old comments and all.
Seriously, though, I prefer this kind of repost to Ace's *literally bumping the same thread*, what with not having to scroll for five hours past the old comments and all.
Posted by: Lance McCormick at February 08, 2016 10:26 AM (zgHLA)
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For too long, the Republican Party and a wide swath of the Democratic Party have equated the economic health of the country with the economic fortunes of the donor class. This rejection (that's what it is) of Hayek/Friedman economics manifests itself most vividly in the extreme, and now, debilitating moral hazard to which the financial sector of the world economy subjects us. Combine it with pandering welfare state expansion, craven political leadership, and an increasingly uneducated populace and the die is set.
Unlike most, I don't consider this a particularly populist observation. We're in for a hard lesson and it's unavoidable now.
Unlike most, I don't consider this a particularly populist observation. We're in for a hard lesson and it's unavoidable now.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2016 10:27 AM (659DL)
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First, let's kill all the lawyers.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 08, 2016 10:31 AM (LXJ1e)
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You didn't build that!
Posted by: edmundburkesshade at February 08, 2016 10:32 AM (cmBvC)
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D'Anconia Money Speech.
http://capitalismmagazine.com/2002/08/franciscos-money-speech/
http://capitalismmagazine.com/2002/08/franciscos-money-speech/
Posted by: ChocoCheese at February 08, 2016 10:32 AM (OvUux)
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I'm all about the dystopia.
Posted by: Bernie 2016 at February 08, 2016 10:32 AM (UBS9M)
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"Combine it with pandering welfare state expansion, craven political leadership"
Indeed - you've come to the crux of the matter. Whilst some wish to battle over each of the parts you list, the real historical picture comes into focus with the combination of those parts.
I've said it before - read Gibbons. History is real.
Indeed - you've come to the crux of the matter. Whilst some wish to battle over each of the parts you list, the real historical picture comes into focus with the combination of those parts.
I've said it before - read Gibbons. History is real.
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 08, 2016 10:32 AM (C9pBZ)
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http://hausrules.us/sabo-awesomely-punked-the-red-hot-chili-peppers-bernie-sanders-concert
http://hausrules.us/sabo-awesomely-punked-the-red-hot-chili-peppers-bernie-sanders-concert
Posted by: ChocoCheese at February 08, 2016 10:33 AM (OvUux)
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Here's a question: Why do right-leaning politicians have so much difficulty actually articulating limited government positions?
Most of them are lawyers. They argue for a living, and yet I'd take the average commenter here over just about any republican politician when it comes to explaining these concepts.
The left doesn't have this problem. Their side says exactly what their base wants to hear, and frames it in the way that makes it most appealing to those who are still on the fence.
Most of them are lawyers. They argue for a living, and yet I'd take the average commenter here over just about any republican politician when it comes to explaining these concepts.
The left doesn't have this problem. Their side says exactly what their base wants to hear, and frames it in the way that makes it most appealing to those who are still on the fence.
Posted by: joe at February 08, 2016 10:35 AM (KUaJL)
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I've said it before - read Gibbons. History is real.
Gibbons, Churchill (the real one), and Taleb are my frames of reference for what is to come.
Gibbons, Churchill (the real one), and Taleb are my frames of reference for what is to come.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2016 10:35 AM (659DL)
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Freedonia, Obamadonia. Please make that man go away.
Posted by: edmundburkesshade at February 08, 2016 10:36 AM (cmBvC)
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This is a beautiful post, Laura, very well thought out and with soaring rhetoric...
(Well, right up until the last sentence).
I am, however, in 100% agreement
(Well, right up until the last sentence).
I am, however, in 100% agreement
Posted by: FredB at February 08, 2016 10:36 AM (mkgf1)
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SABO is the best!!!!
Posted by: Lizzy at February 08, 2016 10:36 AM (NOIQH)
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The other thing about Reagan and a million new jobs per month. There were about 50, 000, 000 fewer Americans and 'others' back then. It *could* be easier to accomplish that today.
But in a prosperous period, some people will get wealthy. 0bama is the guard at the gate, ensuring only a chosen few gain entrance to prosperity.
I could have predicted this back in 2008 but no one on the left would believe it to be true.
But in a prosperous period, some people will get wealthy. 0bama is the guard at the gate, ensuring only a chosen few gain entrance to prosperity.
I could have predicted this back in 2008 but no one on the left would believe it to be true.
Posted by: ugg boots at February 08, 2016 10:37 AM (fbovC)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 08, 2016 10:38 AM (mw8Dm)
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I wonder whether the byzantine tax laws and confiscatory tax rates have contributed to a change in the behavior of our current billionaires compared to the original crop of them.
Carnegie and Rockefeller and Morgan and the rest were impossibly wealthy, yet they gave far more to the people than Gates and his peers give. Oh, they fund their own foundations, because of the tremendous tax advantages.
But Andrew Carnegie built fvcking libraries all over America.
That's a bit more impressive than the Bill And Melinda Gates needle Exchange program.
Carnegie and Rockefeller and Morgan and the rest were impossibly wealthy, yet they gave far more to the people than Gates and his peers give. Oh, they fund their own foundations, because of the tremendous tax advantages.
But Andrew Carnegie built fvcking libraries all over America.
That's a bit more impressive than the Bill And Melinda Gates needle Exchange program.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 08, 2016 10:38 AM (Zu3d9)
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>>Here's a question: Why do right-leaning politicians have so much difficulty actually articulating limited government positions?
Because the Left is so good at harassing emotions to make their point.
They can't confidently articulate that it is caring to allow people to fail, and learn from that failure when the Left is all about comfort, care, no worries, etc. They need to try harder to counter that.
Because the Left is so good at harassing emotions to make their point.
They can't confidently articulate that it is caring to allow people to fail, and learn from that failure when the Left is all about comfort, care, no worries, etc. They need to try harder to counter that.
Posted by: Lizzy at February 08, 2016 10:39 AM (NOIQH)
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The question is moot.
Posted by: $19,005,647,839,950.64 at February 08, 2016 10:40 AM (evdj2)
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The last time we had an administration that really put the economy on track was Calvin Coolidge, but he had a congress that was willing to go along.
Reagan gave it a reasonable try but he was hampered by two things, a tax and spend congress and trying to recover the military from 4 years of Jimmy Carter. Besides, as soon as he was out of office Bush Sr fvcked it up royal.
Reagan gave it a reasonable try but he was hampered by two things, a tax and spend congress and trying to recover the military from 4 years of Jimmy Carter. Besides, as soon as he was out of office Bush Sr fvcked it up royal.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 08, 2016 10:40 AM (t2KH5)
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http://hausrules.us/sabo-awesomely-punked-the-red-hot-chili-peppers-bernie-sanders-concert
Posted by: ChocoCheese at February 08, 2016 10:33 AM (OvUux)
Heh. Throwing those flyers could be construed as littering. Wouldn't surprise me to see butt-hurt SJWS try that tack.
Posted by: ChocoCheese at February 08, 2016 10:33 AM (OvUux)
Heh. Throwing those flyers could be construed as littering. Wouldn't surprise me to see butt-hurt SJWS try that tack.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 08, 2016 10:41 AM (Z8fuk)
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http://hausrules.us/sabo-awesomely-punked-the-red-hot-chili-peppers-bernie-sanders-concert
Posted by: ChocoCheese at February 08, 2016 10:33 AM (OvUux)
Sabo is a true patriotic scoundrel.
Posted by: ChocoCheese at February 08, 2016 10:33 AM (OvUux)
Sabo is a true patriotic scoundrel.
Posted by: Arson Wells at February 08, 2016 10:41 AM (UnJ7w)
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And if you mean Republicans by "right leaning" politicians they can't articulate it because they don't want limited government any more than the Democrats do.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 08, 2016 10:41 AM (t2KH5)
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Here's a question: Why do right-leaning politicians have so much difficulty actually articulating limited government positions?
Because they preemptively surrender ground.
On this one point, everyone should be taking notes from Trump and going back and checking film of Ronaldus Magnus.
Because they preemptively surrender ground.
On this one point, everyone should be taking notes from Trump and going back and checking film of Ronaldus Magnus.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2016 10:42 AM (659DL)
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A government benefit offers vastly fewer choices and once-in-a-while vote, rare, votes among them.
Catastrophic health insurance or comprehensive -- nevermind, our federal bureaucrats will decide.
Phonics or sight-reading -- don't worry about it, experts in Washington know what's best.
Wind or nuclear electrical generation -- why would YOU presume to argue with SCIunse? Shut up.
Was that rape or consensual -- Look, the case isn't the important thing, it's the history of the classes and you a perpetuating the obsolete modes of reactionary thinking. This is your last warning.
Submit, or assemble and petition and organize -- Money in politics is the root of all corruption. Beyond donation to wrong-thinking causes lie only SEDITION! TREASON! TERRORISM! Your assets shall be forfeit and your family shall be rounded up and re-educated.
Catastrophic health insurance or comprehensive -- nevermind, our federal bureaucrats will decide.
Phonics or sight-reading -- don't worry about it, experts in Washington know what's best.
Wind or nuclear electrical generation -- why would YOU presume to argue with SCIunse? Shut up.
Was that rape or consensual -- Look, the case isn't the important thing, it's the history of the classes and you a perpetuating the obsolete modes of reactionary thinking. This is your last warning.
Submit, or assemble and petition and organize -- Money in politics is the root of all corruption. Beyond donation to wrong-thinking causes lie only SEDITION! TREASON! TERRORISM! Your assets shall be forfeit and your family shall be rounded up and re-educated.
Posted by: Pouncer at February 08, 2016 10:42 AM (K5tcP)
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Madam, positive messages have no place in the blogosphere. Good day!
Posted by: Fritz at February 08, 2016 10:42 AM (UzPAd)
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Since the tread is a retread, a little OT...
Anyone here have an Infinity car or SUV? Happy, not happy?
Anyone here have an Infinity car or SUV? Happy, not happy?
Posted by: jwest at February 08, 2016 10:42 AM (Zs4uk)
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47 The question is moot.
Posted by: $19,005,647,839,950.64 at February 08, 2016 10:40 AM (evdj2)
It's Moo.
Posted by: $19,005,647,839,950.64 at February 08, 2016 10:40 AM (evdj2)
It's Moo.
Posted by: Joey Tribbiani at February 08, 2016 10:43 AM (UnJ7w)
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The left doesn't have this problem. Their side says exactly what their base wants to hear, and frames it in the way that makes it most appealing to those who are still on the fence
"We gone give you free shit. Yo!"
"We gone give you free shit. Yo!"
Posted by: rickb223 at February 08, 2016 10:43 AM (Z1oBf)
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Gibbons, Churchill (the real one), and Taleb are my frames of reference for what is to come."
Damn good choices. Trouble is that so few have actually read them.
OTOH, that might explain a bit of joe's Q at 38...
Damn good choices. Trouble is that so few have actually read them.
OTOH, that might explain a bit of joe's Q at 38...
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 08, 2016 10:43 AM (C9pBZ)
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Why do right-leaning politicians have so much difficulty actually articulating limited government positions?
Because They.Are.In.On.It. The Republicans are just the good cop of the good cop/bad cop billionaire fusion party.
Because They.Are.In.On.It. The Republicans are just the good cop of the good cop/bad cop billionaire fusion party.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at February 08, 2016 10:43 AM (evdj2)
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The Moops.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at February 08, 2016 10:44 AM (evdj2)
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The question is moot.
Posted by: $19,005,647,839,950.64 at February 08, 2016 10:40 AM (evdj2)
It's Moo.
Posted by: Joey Tribbiani at February 08, 2016 10:43 AM (UnJ7w)
The answer is The Moops.
Posted by: $19,005,647,839,950.64 at February 08, 2016 10:40 AM (evdj2)
It's Moo.
Posted by: Joey Tribbiani at February 08, 2016 10:43 AM (UnJ7w)
The answer is The Moops.
Posted by: George Constanza at February 08, 2016 10:44 AM (659DL)
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I wonder whether the byzantine tax laws and
confiscatory tax rates have contributed to a change in the behavior of
our current billionaires compared to the original crop of them.
Carnegie
and Rockefeller and Morgan and the rest were impossibly wealthy, yet
they gave far more to the people than Gates and his peers give. Oh, they
fund their own foundations, because of the tremendous tax advantages.
But Andrew Carnegie built fvcking libraries all over America.
That's a bit more impressive than the Bill And Melinda Gates needle Exchange program.Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 08, 2016 10:38 AM (Zu3d9)
_________
What about the old concept of 'virtue' as an indicator.
confiscatory tax rates have contributed to a change in the behavior of
our current billionaires compared to the original crop of them.
Carnegie
and Rockefeller and Morgan and the rest were impossibly wealthy, yet
they gave far more to the people than Gates and his peers give. Oh, they
fund their own foundations, because of the tremendous tax advantages.
But Andrew Carnegie built fvcking libraries all over America.
That's a bit more impressive than the Bill And Melinda Gates needle Exchange program.Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 08, 2016 10:38 AM (Zu3d9)
_________
What about the old concept of 'virtue' as an indicator.
Posted by: mustbequantum at February 08, 2016 10:44 AM (MIKMs)
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And if you mean Republicans by "right leaning" politicians they can't articulate it because they don't want limited government any more than the Democrats do.
That's fine. But make it so the right can get free shit too. Not just be the chumps paying for it.
That's fine. But make it so the right can get free shit too. Not just be the chumps paying for it.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 08, 2016 10:44 AM (Z1oBf)
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Since the tread is a retread, a little OT...
Anyone here have an Infinity car or SUV? Happy, not happy?
Posted by: jwest at February 08, 2016 10:42 AM (Zs4uk)
No, I have a Suburban. It's finite, but you can load twelve-foot 2X6's into it, and close the barn doors. So there's that.
Anyone here have an Infinity car or SUV? Happy, not happy?
Posted by: jwest at February 08, 2016 10:42 AM (Zs4uk)
No, I have a Suburban. It's finite, but you can load twelve-foot 2X6's into it, and close the barn doors. So there's that.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 08, 2016 10:44 AM (Z8fuk)
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The last couple of years have been very much like the dire late 1970s.
Yet there isn't the same popular perception of an economy in trouble, and there is less political unrest. Why would that be?
For one thing, the political class have become considerably more adept at gaming the economic indicators. Inflation, unemployment and GDP have all undergone multiple "methodological revisions" since Carter's era. The vast majority of those revisions working to make the picture appear less bleak than it actually is.
For another, the old Roman lesson in providing plenty of bread and circuses has been heeded. This is a more entertaining and comfortable era in which to be marooned in unemployment than were the late Seventies. There were no free Carterphones with Facebook and Angry Birds.
And the suffusing of racial identity politics into _everything_ provides endless distractions from unpleasant economic topics.
Yet there isn't the same popular perception of an economy in trouble, and there is less political unrest. Why would that be?
For one thing, the political class have become considerably more adept at gaming the economic indicators. Inflation, unemployment and GDP have all undergone multiple "methodological revisions" since Carter's era. The vast majority of those revisions working to make the picture appear less bleak than it actually is.
For another, the old Roman lesson in providing plenty of bread and circuses has been heeded. This is a more entertaining and comfortable era in which to be marooned in unemployment than were the late Seventies. There were no free Carterphones with Facebook and Angry Birds.
And the suffusing of racial identity politics into _everything_ provides endless distractions from unpleasant economic topics.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 08, 2016 10:44 AM (noWW6)
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I wondered what Sabo was up to, hadn't heard of anything recently.
That takes a certain level of balls. And by certain I mean he probably not only clanks when he walks, but has had to have his trousers let out.
That takes a certain level of balls. And by certain I mean he probably not only clanks when he walks, but has had to have his trousers let out.
Posted by: Kindltot at February 08, 2016 10:44 AM (q2o38)
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38 Here's a question: Why do right-leaning politicians have so much difficulty actually articulating limited government positions?
I think it's also because a politician arguing for limited government is unnatural, like a turkey arguing for Thanksgiving.
Think of the sort of people who become pols - the same ones who ran for class president in high school. They WANT power, they want to make the rules, they want to tell people what to do. Even if they start out as libertarians/conservatives their natural bent to to go in the opposite direction.
That's why Dems are generally much better at politics. It's a natural fit for them, because they've managed to convince themselves that it's morally right for them to decide what is best for everyone else.
I think it's also because a politician arguing for limited government is unnatural, like a turkey arguing for Thanksgiving.
Think of the sort of people who become pols - the same ones who ran for class president in high school. They WANT power, they want to make the rules, they want to tell people what to do. Even if they start out as libertarians/conservatives their natural bent to to go in the opposite direction.
That's why Dems are generally much better at politics. It's a natural fit for them, because they've managed to convince themselves that it's morally right for them to decide what is best for everyone else.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at February 08, 2016 10:45 AM (u0lmX)
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Who invaded Spain in the 8th century?
Posted by: Trivial Pursuit card at February 08, 2016 10:46 AM (UnJ7w)
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The last couple of years have been very much like the dire late 1970s.
Yet there isn't the same popular perception of an economy in trouble, and there is less political unrest. Why would that be?
We don't have an existential threat and the national serious switch has been in the "off" postion since that went away.
Yet there isn't the same popular perception of an economy in trouble, and there is less political unrest. Why would that be?
We don't have an existential threat and the national serious switch has been in the "off" postion since that went away.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2016 10:47 AM (659DL)
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Nice post. I wish that someone would take up the point that Obama DOUBLED the national debt to 19T, all of it, accrued for over 100 years, he doubled that number with not a goddamn thing to show for it. No space program, no TVA or Hoover Dam, NOTHING, millions out of work and they are importing millions more to the public dole. Not one big program (TARP, Ocare) has been a success, billions and billions wasted. He also hasn't lifted a finger on waste, fraud, abuse, which is rampant. Where did that money (from nowhere) go? Government hacks and cronies, that's where.
I also wish someone would take the fight to them on celebrating victimhood and dependency. We have to change the narrative or we will commit national suicide by PC.
How racist, bigoted and patronizing it is for anyone to assume able bodied functioning adults can't or won't work support themselves and their families, will live their lives dependent on public charity. It's humiliating and inhumane. Make them defend themselves, for once.
I also wish someone would take the fight to them on celebrating victimhood and dependency. We have to change the narrative or we will commit national suicide by PC.
How racist, bigoted and patronizing it is for anyone to assume able bodied functioning adults can't or won't work support themselves and their families, will live their lives dependent on public charity. It's humiliating and inhumane. Make them defend themselves, for once.
Posted by: Goldilocks at February 08, 2016 10:48 AM (pOgVG)
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We don't have an existential threat and the national serious switch has been in the "off" postion since that went away.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2016 10:47 AM (659DL)
islam is an existential threat, but too many people are in denial.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2016 10:47 AM (659DL)
islam is an existential threat, but too many people are in denial.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 08, 2016 10:49 AM (Z8fuk)
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Anyone here have an Infinity car or SUV? Happy, not happy?
Posted by: jwest at February 08, 2016 10:42 AM (Zs4uk)
No, I have a Suburban. It's finite,
ISWYDT. Golf clap.
Posted by: jwest at February 08, 2016 10:42 AM (Zs4uk)
No, I have a Suburban. It's finite,
ISWYDT. Golf clap.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 08, 2016 10:49 AM (Z1oBf)
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islam is an existential threat, but too many people are in denial.
Not in the way the Soviets were. It's like the 20th century never happened now.
Not in the way the Soviets were. It's like the 20th century never happened now.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2016 10:50 AM (659DL)
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No, I have a Suburban. It's finite, but you can load twelve-foot 2X6's into it, and close the barn doors. So there's that.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 08, 2016 10:44 AM (Z8fuk)
A Suburban is one of the other options. The daughter is looking for something new for her family (husband & 4 kids). Needs room.
Now Suburbans are running in $70,000+ range. She found a lease on a used QXsomething from Infinity, but I don't know anything about them.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 08, 2016 10:44 AM (Z8fuk)
A Suburban is one of the other options. The daughter is looking for something new for her family (husband & 4 kids). Needs room.
Now Suburbans are running in $70,000+ range. She found a lease on a used QXsomething from Infinity, but I don't know anything about them.
Posted by: jwest at February 08, 2016 10:51 AM (Zs4uk)
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That's a bit more impressive than the Bill And Melinda Gates needle Exchange program.
Liberals: Needle Exchanges. Encourage addiction.
Conservatives (also know as right wing, knuckle dragging, Neanderthal extremists): Secure our border from Mexican heroin smuggling. Save 50, 000 lives a year.
Liberals: Needle Exchanges. Encourage addiction.
Conservatives (also know as right wing, knuckle dragging, Neanderthal extremists): Secure our border from Mexican heroin smuggling. Save 50, 000 lives a year.
Posted by: ugg boots at February 08, 2016 10:51 AM (fbovC)
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Think of the sort of people who become pols - the same ones who ran for class president in high school. They WANT power, they want to make the rules, they want to tell people what to do."
Exactly so, but that's hardly a new thing. What we're witnessing is the extension of the political in more and more areas of everyone's everyday existence. This will not change, as each generation in fully convinced of it's own superiority over it's predecessors - "hey, we'll get it right this time" is the siren song for governments since Og tried to make a living off of his new invention, the wheel...
Exactly so, but that's hardly a new thing. What we're witnessing is the extension of the political in more and more areas of everyone's everyday existence. This will not change, as each generation in fully convinced of it's own superiority over it's predecessors - "hey, we'll get it right this time" is the siren song for governments since Og tried to make a living off of his new invention, the wheel...
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 08, 2016 10:51 AM (C9pBZ)
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Good time to remind everyone that there is no such thing as 'Capitalism'. That's a pejorative term coined by Karl Marx to vilify anyone who possessed more than the guy next to him. Marx's apologists try to finesse it, but that's exactly what it boils down to. That's why Lenin murdered the Kulaks.
The ability to own property and dispose of it freely, within the law, is the hard-won hallmark of personal freedom in western civilization. If you're not permitted to earn and spend your own possessions freely, you probably belong to someone else.
That's why collectivism of every kind, no matter how benign its outward appearance, must be fiercely resisted. Substitute the word 'Freedom' for the word 'Capitalism' every time you hear it, and you'll start to realize the magnitude of the problem.
The ability to own property and dispose of it freely, within the law, is the hard-won hallmark of personal freedom in western civilization. If you're not permitted to earn and spend your own possessions freely, you probably belong to someone else.
That's why collectivism of every kind, no matter how benign its outward appearance, must be fiercely resisted. Substitute the word 'Freedom' for the word 'Capitalism' every time you hear it, and you'll start to realize the magnitude of the problem.
Posted by: ahem at February 08, 2016 10:52 AM (lKGzI)
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I could have taken early retirement on the money I lost on paper these last few weeks. Crap.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 08, 2016 10:52 AM (AEEhl)
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I wish that someone would take up the point that Obama DOUBLED the national debt to 19T, all of it, accrued for over 100 years, he doubled that number with not a goddamn thing to show for it.
This is the truly remarkable outcome of this administration. There is not one big anything to point to except the debt. Well, that and the urban America and global tire fires.
This is the truly remarkable outcome of this administration. There is not one big anything to point to except the debt. Well, that and the urban America and global tire fires.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2016 10:53 AM (659DL)
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Good job, Lauraw. I was going to pick out a money quote but there were quite a few.
Posted by: Retired Geezer at February 08, 2016 10:54 AM (VSRGY)
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I have very mixed feelings about Connecticut. Why do people move into the passing lane on the Merritt and slow down? I hate all of you who do that, with an unquenchable fire. Now, lets talk 91. YOU DO THE SAME THING ON 91! Don't camp out in the left lane, Connecticut. Let better or faster drivers pass you, and then watch closely as they pull back into the cruising lane and leave the passing lane open. It's fucking magic! Room for everyone!
I refuse to discuss 95, because 95 is a crowded road from Coconut Grove to Maine, so Connecticut drivers do not bear the sole blame for 95.
I refuse to discuss 95, because 95 is a crowded road from Coconut Grove to Maine, so Connecticut drivers do not bear the sole blame for 95.
Posted by: MTF at February 08, 2016 10:55 AM (TxJGV)
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>>>Anyone here have an Infinity car or SUV?
Honda Pilot. Love it. Will doubtless upgrade to an Acura MDX in a few years.
Honda Pilot. Love it. Will doubtless upgrade to an Acura MDX in a few years.
Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at February 08, 2016 10:55 AM (bpn7O)
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The truth is, at this point economic freedom is secondary. The reason is that rule of law is under attack. Furthermore the left is trying to alter the demography of the country such that rule of law and economic freedom will be further undermined.
The fundamental foundation of this country is rule of law, and the virteous culture that enables it. Absent that we become a banana republic. In a banana republic, el president can get away with running guns to cartels, using the IRS to punish the political opposition, and his ministers can hide their correspondence on private email servers and get away with it, even if they compromise the nation's security in the process.
The truth is, at this point economic freedom is secondary. The reason is that rule of law is under attack. Furthermore the left is trying to alter the demography of the country such that rule of law and economic freedom will be further undermined.
The fundamental foundation of this country is rule of law, and the virteous culture that enables it. Absent that we become a banana republic. In a banana republic, el president can get away with running guns to cartels, using the IRS to punish the political opposition, and his ministers can hide their correspondence on private email servers and get away with it, even if they compromise the nation's security in the process.
Posted by: DonS at February 08, 2016 10:55 AM (Q2pWM)
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The question is WOOOOOOO!
Posted by: SB at February 08, 2016 10:56 AM (8aOqE)
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This is the truly remarkable outcome of this administration. There is not one big anything to point to except the debt. Well, that and the urban America and global tire fires.
Posted by: Circa
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Humbug!
The seas have stopped rising, and we have ghey marriage. Progress!
Posted by: Circa
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Humbug!
The seas have stopped rising, and we have ghey marriage. Progress!
Posted by: LIV at February 08, 2016 10:57 AM (n22zQ)
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If we had an honest treasury the current inflation would be rated at over 20% and possibly higher. When Argentina monetized the debt with their socialist inflation got to the levels of Germany n the 30s.
We are headed there now and it will not be pretty.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party
Money guys in the media tell me we have DEflation.
We are headed there now and it will not be pretty.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party
Money guys in the media tell me we have DEflation.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 08, 2016 10:57 AM (FkBIv)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 08, 2016 10:58 AM (iQIUe)
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Nothing to see here, move along...
Here's a bit of Super Bowl trivia: North Korea's newest satellite passed almost right over the stadium just an hour after it ended.
Here's a bit of Super Bowl trivia: North Korea's newest satellite passed almost right over the stadium just an hour after it ended.
Posted by: ugg boots at February 08, 2016 10:58 AM (fbovC)
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That better not be the sound of running water we're hearing coming from your USB port.
Posted by: The Colgate Water Police at February 08, 2016 10:58 AM (Dwehj)
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Now Suburbans are running in $70,000+ range. She found a lease on a used QXsomething from Infinity, but I don't know anything about them.
Posted by: jwest at February 08, 2016 10:51 AM (Zs4uk)
My Suburbans (have 4 in total) are all 2008 or prior, so pre-Obama-bailout. Will not buy any newer one. Besides, they have apparently dropped the barn doors. That lift gate on the '08 is really cumbersome. Barn doors are just so damned handy.
Infiniti is Toyota's premium brand, isn't it? Other than Toyota quality is generally first-rate, I know nothing about them. As far as I'm concerned, if an SUV isn't built on a truck chassis with selectable 4wheel drive, it's just a poseur.
Posted by: jwest at February 08, 2016 10:51 AM (Zs4uk)
My Suburbans (have 4 in total) are all 2008 or prior, so pre-Obama-bailout. Will not buy any newer one. Besides, they have apparently dropped the barn doors. That lift gate on the '08 is really cumbersome. Barn doors are just so damned handy.
Infiniti is Toyota's premium brand, isn't it? Other than Toyota quality is generally first-rate, I know nothing about them. As far as I'm concerned, if an SUV isn't built on a truck chassis with selectable 4wheel drive, it's just a poseur.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 08, 2016 10:59 AM (Z8fuk)
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Someone yesterday pointed out that its not enough to answer and point out the problems with the left's theories and policies. We have to be willing to admit that for some problems, there is no final absolute resolution. That some will always be with us, and cannot be eliminated with the right economic policy, right people in government, or right laws. We are never going to eliminate poverty. We are never going to get rid of sick people or old people. There is no magic pill to make everything all right.
And the left's childish lies about this is their biggest weakness, if only the right would learn to exploit it. For 50 years the Democratic Party has been pushing the same stupid crap in America, and nearly all of the things they say they would fix have gotten worse. The only thing that's gotten any better is pollution is reduced, and that was due to increases in technology, not leftist ideology.
And the left's childish lies about this is their biggest weakness, if only the right would learn to exploit it. For 50 years the Democratic Party has been pushing the same stupid crap in America, and nearly all of the things they say they would fix have gotten worse. The only thing that's gotten any better is pollution is reduced, and that was due to increases in technology, not leftist ideology.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 08, 2016 11:00 AM (39g3+)
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"Not in the way the Soviets were. It's like the 20th century never happened now."
Circa, in some sense Islam is more dangerous. Islam has a much larger total population than the Soviet Union and unlike the Soviets they are mostly true believers. And that population is growing. And gaining nukes.
The Soviets were always judged more capable and advanced than they really were. They were really a threat because they had nukes and a launch capability for them, two things radical Islam will soon have.
"Not in the way the Soviets were. It's like the 20th century never happened now."
Circa, in some sense Islam is more dangerous. Islam has a much larger total population than the Soviet Union and unlike the Soviets they are mostly true believers. And that population is growing. And gaining nukes.
The Soviets were always judged more capable and advanced than they really were. They were really a threat because they had nukes and a launch capability for them, two things radical Islam will soon have.
Posted by: DonS at February 08, 2016 11:01 AM (Q2pWM)
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 08, 2016 11:02 AM (C9pBZ)
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>>>I wish that someone would take up the point that Obama DOUBLED the national debt to 19T.
I had formed the impression that spending bills had to originate in the house.
Mind you, I am going by the provisions of a document that's over a hundred years old.
I had formed the impression that spending bills had to originate in the house.
Mind you, I am going by the provisions of a document that's over a hundred years old.
Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at February 08, 2016 11:02 AM (bpn7O)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 08, 2016 11:02 AM (n22zQ)
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It's been an hour, so I guess OT is ok -
Flipping channels, I thought I'd check out this "Last Man Standing" show. I hear it's, if not conservative, at least NOT leftist trope.
I tune in, and the first thing I see is Mike Rowe.
Is he a regular on this show?
*I'm sure this is old by now, as it must be in syndication.
Flipping channels, I thought I'd check out this "Last Man Standing" show. I hear it's, if not conservative, at least NOT leftist trope.
I tune in, and the first thing I see is Mike Rowe.
Is he a regular on this show?
*I'm sure this is old by now, as it must be in syndication.
Posted by: Chi at February 08, 2016 11:03 AM (OUpHg)
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I haven't seen any signs of crippling inflation. Right now its not too bad, under 10%. For a while it was ripping people apart, especially in food and energy costs which the government conveniently ignores in their official stats.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 08, 2016 11:03 AM (39g3+)
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This is the truly remarkable outcome of this administration. There is not one big anything to point to except the debt. Well, that and the urban America and global tire fires.
It should be The Main Reason for cutting Fedzilla down to size.
It would be except Party of Stoopid who stopped representing us a long time ago.
It should be The Main Reason for cutting Fedzilla down to size.
It would be except Party of Stoopid who stopped representing us a long time ago.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 08, 2016 11:05 AM (LUgeY)
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I think the quicker that everyone understands that the US Government has zero intention of ever paying back one single dime of principle on the US debt, then the whole economic plan will come into laser like focus:
There is no plan.
Imagine that you as an adult did absolutely nothing except pay the interest on every debt you hold, mortgage, credit card, auto loans, etc., all the while accumulating more and more debt. Good plan huh?
There is no plan.
Imagine that you as an adult did absolutely nothing except pay the interest on every debt you hold, mortgage, credit card, auto loans, etc., all the while accumulating more and more debt. Good plan huh?
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at February 08, 2016 11:05 AM (iONHu)
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I have a 4 door Jeep Wrangler. Gas mileage sucks but I love it. Unfortunately it's now become the urban hippie status car and everyone is getting them. I originally got it because not too many people had one and I knew the body style would stay the same for years and I intended on keeping it for a while instead of leasing new cars like I used to.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 08, 2016 11:06 AM (AEEhl)
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86 Money guys in the media tell me we have DEflation.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 08, 2016 10:57 AM (FkBIv)
They are Obama ass kissing liars.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 08, 2016 10:57 AM (FkBIv)
They are Obama ass kissing liars.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 08, 2016 11:06 AM (t2KH5)
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Last Man Standing is.an ongoing show. Many years of episodes exist. Tim Allen is the star.
Good conservative show. On Friday nights real time, Hulu next day.
Good conservative show. On Friday nights real time, Hulu next day.
Posted by: ugg boots at February 08, 2016 11:07 AM (fbovC)
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Infiniti is Toyota's premium brand, isn't it? Other than Toyota quality is generally first-rate, I know nothing about them. As far as I'm concerned, if an SUV isn't built on a truck chassis with selectable 4wheel drive, it's just a poseur.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 08, 2016 10:59 AM (Z8fuk)
The daughter is looking to get the lowest cost per mile in a 4wd that's big enough for the family, plus she likes a lot of options.
One of the things she's looking into is leasing on used luxury brands. Mercedes, Lexus, BMW, Bentley and some others have leases on "Certified" used cars, which they will go 36 months, 15,000 miles per year with a full factory warranty.
Since the car takes the biggest hit in value in the first 3 years, the difference between the cost at that point and the residual after another 3 years is fairly low.
It's too bad the U.S. makers aren't offering something similar.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 08, 2016 10:59 AM (Z8fuk)
The daughter is looking to get the lowest cost per mile in a 4wd that's big enough for the family, plus she likes a lot of options.
One of the things she's looking into is leasing on used luxury brands. Mercedes, Lexus, BMW, Bentley and some others have leases on "Certified" used cars, which they will go 36 months, 15,000 miles per year with a full factory warranty.
Since the car takes the biggest hit in value in the first 3 years, the difference between the cost at that point and the residual after another 3 years is fairly low.
It's too bad the U.S. makers aren't offering something similar.
Posted by: jwest at February 08, 2016 11:08 AM (Zs4uk)
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97
I haven't seen any signs of crippling inflation. Right now its not too
bad, under 10%. For a while it was ripping people apart, especially in
food and energy costs which the government conveniently ignores in their
official stats.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 08, 2016 11:03 AM (39g3+)
That is because the government and the MFM are trying to hide it. Just take a walk through a grocery store.
I haven't seen any signs of crippling inflation. Right now its not too
bad, under 10%. For a while it was ripping people apart, especially in
food and energy costs which the government conveniently ignores in their
official stats.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 08, 2016 11:03 AM (39g3+)
That is because the government and the MFM are trying to hide it. Just take a walk through a grocery store.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 08, 2016 11:08 AM (t2KH5)
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Infiniti is Toyota's premium brand, isn't it?"
No, Nissan's.
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 08, 2016 11:02 AM (C9pBZ)
You are right, of course. And I have owned my share of Nissans, too. Of course they called them Datsuns back then. hell good little trucks they were, too. But overall, I think Nissan's quality and durability lags that of Toyota. Some models are very good, others not so much. Toyota is more consistent across their model range.
No, Nissan's.
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 08, 2016 11:02 AM (C9pBZ)
You are right, of course. And I have owned my share of Nissans, too. Of course they called them Datsuns back then. hell good little trucks they were, too. But overall, I think Nissan's quality and durability lags that of Toyota. Some models are very good, others not so much. Toyota is more consistent across their model range.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 08, 2016 11:08 AM (Z8fuk)
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Besides someone question me on that last week and I posted an article from an economics magazine that stated flat out that real inflation was over 20%
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 08, 2016 11:09 AM (t2KH5)
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Flipping channels, I thought I'd check out this "Last Man Standing" show. I hear it's, if not conservative, at least NOT leftist trope.
Tim Allen.
Rips Obama.
Tim Allen.
Rips Obama.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 08, 2016 11:11 AM (Z1oBf)
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Who invaded Spain in the 8th century?
Posted by: Trivial Pursuit card at February 08, 2016 10:46 AM (UnJ7w)
The High-Horses?
Posted by: Trivial Pursuit card at February 08, 2016 10:46 AM (UnJ7w)
The High-Horses?
Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 08, 2016 11:11 AM (kKHcp)
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Imagine that you as an adult did absolutely nothing except pay the interest on every debt you hold, mortgage, credit card, auto loans, etc., all the while accumulating more and more debt. Good plan huh?
If the Stoopid Party was at all interested in returning to something that resembles sanity in governance, they'd be equating what government does with what a family does: who runs up that much debt?
And on immigration: who leaves their front doors wide open all the time?
Low Hanging Rhetorical Fruit that could be used in persuasive arguments for cheaper, less intrusive, less expensive gubmint that would give us back our freedom. The fact that it's not being used tells me all I need to know about the Repumpkin Establishment.
If the Stoopid Party was at all interested in returning to something that resembles sanity in governance, they'd be equating what government does with what a family does: who runs up that much debt?
And on immigration: who leaves their front doors wide open all the time?
Low Hanging Rhetorical Fruit that could be used in persuasive arguments for cheaper, less intrusive, less expensive gubmint that would give us back our freedom. The fact that it's not being used tells me all I need to know about the Repumpkin Establishment.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 08, 2016 11:11 AM (LUgeY)
Posted by: Ed Anger at February 08, 2016 11:11 AM (RcpcZ)
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The French own 40% of Nissan so take that for what it's worth.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 08, 2016 11:11 AM (AEEhl)
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If we had an honest treasury the current inflation would be rated at over 20% and possibly higher.
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I don't agree. Inflation might be higher for some food items than the government makes it appear (with their basket approach), but it isn't a problem at all generally. The reason is that labor utilization rates have dropped by a lot. Unemployed people are the problem, along with employed people making too little.
Wage inflation, in short is negative.
Energy costs have dropped precipitously, thanks to fracking and newer technologies for horizontal drilling. A Texas friend who invests in the Permian basin area told me his well can actually make money if oil is above $28, which is incredible.
Energy inflation is negative.
So, I don't buy the idea that inflation is high (broadly speaking).
As far as monetization of the debt goes, you're referring to something very different from what the Fed has done. Without getting too deeply into a subject few of us well understand, I'd argue our Fed monetization has been very different than what happened in Argentina. We might have a big problem or we might not, it just isn't very clear one way or the other. Suffice it to say the world is in a deflationary cycle, and not inflationary, despite the monetary policies of the entire developed world.
What is clear is that between us, Europe and China (where debt is even more of a problem than here in the US), social spending on the elderly and poor has just about destroyed the capital structure of the world. Banks are teetering in Europe. This is the bigger problem than some fear of inflation in my estimation.
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I don't agree. Inflation might be higher for some food items than the government makes it appear (with their basket approach), but it isn't a problem at all generally. The reason is that labor utilization rates have dropped by a lot. Unemployed people are the problem, along with employed people making too little.
Wage inflation, in short is negative.
Energy costs have dropped precipitously, thanks to fracking and newer technologies for horizontal drilling. A Texas friend who invests in the Permian basin area told me his well can actually make money if oil is above $28, which is incredible.
Energy inflation is negative.
So, I don't buy the idea that inflation is high (broadly speaking).
As far as monetization of the debt goes, you're referring to something very different from what the Fed has done. Without getting too deeply into a subject few of us well understand, I'd argue our Fed monetization has been very different than what happened in Argentina. We might have a big problem or we might not, it just isn't very clear one way or the other. Suffice it to say the world is in a deflationary cycle, and not inflationary, despite the monetary policies of the entire developed world.
What is clear is that between us, Europe and China (where debt is even more of a problem than here in the US), social spending on the elderly and poor has just about destroyed the capital structure of the world. Banks are teetering in Europe. This is the bigger problem than some fear of inflation in my estimation.
Posted by: MTF at February 08, 2016 11:12 AM (TxJGV)
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That is because the government and the MFM are trying to hide it. Just take a walk through a grocery store.
$9.00 / 12 oz bacon
$3.00 / gal store brand milk
$4.00 / lb of butter ($1 stick)
$5.00 / lb of 70/30 greasy ground beef.
$9.00 / 12 oz bacon
$3.00 / gal store brand milk
$4.00 / lb of butter ($1 stick)
$5.00 / lb of 70/30 greasy ground beef.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 08, 2016 11:13 AM (Z1oBf)
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That is because the government and the MFM are trying to hide it. Just take a walk through a grocery store.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party
Every time I hear Larry Kudlow tell me that we are in a deflationary period where prices are actually falling I wonder to myself if he ever goes grocery shopping.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party
Every time I hear Larry Kudlow tell me that we are in a deflationary period where prices are actually falling I wonder to myself if he ever goes grocery shopping.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 08, 2016 11:14 AM (FkBIv)
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One of the things she's looking into is leasing on used luxury brands. Mercedes, Lexus, BMW, Bentley and some others"
Bentley?
Ahem.
Anywho - yes, good prices can be found on a number of import brand SUVs (some of which are made here...), so shop around.
Of course, my choice is a pickup, but hey - I'm in Texas and all that.
Bentley?
Ahem.
Anywho - yes, good prices can be found on a number of import brand SUVs (some of which are made here...), so shop around.
Of course, my choice is a pickup, but hey - I'm in Texas and all that.
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 08, 2016 11:14 AM (C9pBZ)
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112 Posted by: MTF at February 08, 2016 11:12 AM (TxJGV)
Nice long write up, too bad I don't agree with any of it.
Nice long write up, too bad I don't agree with any of it.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 08, 2016 11:14 AM (t2KH5)
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The politics of envy harden the heart and mortally wound the soul. Avoid, at all costs, them that play at this game.
Posted by: Steve Walsh at February 08, 2016 11:14 AM (6CCkt)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 08, 2016 11:15 AM (Nwg0u)
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Every time I hear Larry Kudlow tell me that we are in a deflationary period where prices are actually falling I wonder to myself if he ever goes grocery shopping.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 08, 2016 11:14 AM (FkBIv)
Yeah. Prices went up steeply for a while, as packages got smaller. Now we're kind of holding at the higher price, I think.
But TV's are cheap, so it's totally ok.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 08, 2016 11:14 AM (FkBIv)
Yeah. Prices went up steeply for a while, as packages got smaller. Now we're kind of holding at the higher price, I think.
But TV's are cheap, so it's totally ok.
Posted by: Lea at February 08, 2016 11:15 AM (lIU4e)
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That is because the government and the MFM are trying to hide it. Just take a walk through a grocery store.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 08, 2016 11:08 AM (t2KH5)
I love being able to still buy a pound bag of coffee, but I wish they hadn't redefined a pound bag to only hold 12 ounces!
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 08, 2016 11:08 AM (t2KH5)
I love being able to still buy a pound bag of coffee, but I wish they hadn't redefined a pound bag to only hold 12 ounces!
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 08, 2016 11:15 AM (wYnyS)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 08, 2016 11:15 AM (Nwg0u)
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"If we want to be able to explain to people why economic freedom is so great ..."
We don't have economic freedom anymore, and let's stop pretending we do.
We began to lose it a hundred years ago with the introduction of the federal income tax.
Then the New Deal introduced mandatory income redistribution with Social Security.
The War on Poverty redistributed more, creating disastrous social problems.
EMTALA, created under your sainted Reagan, forced us to pay the cost of treating every sick person in America who can find their way to a hospital emergency room.
We conservatives have to face reality: there is no economic freedom left to defend. America is now a welfare state. The electorate has turned majority progressive because of the Marxist takeover of the schools, media, and culture fifty years ago. Our so-called conservative politicians are all entitlement-state sellouts. We're marginalized and we might as well hunker down, abandon electoral politics, and protect our families and loved ones as best we can.
We're doomed.
We don't have economic freedom anymore, and let's stop pretending we do.
We began to lose it a hundred years ago with the introduction of the federal income tax.
Then the New Deal introduced mandatory income redistribution with Social Security.
The War on Poverty redistributed more, creating disastrous social problems.
EMTALA, created under your sainted Reagan, forced us to pay the cost of treating every sick person in America who can find their way to a hospital emergency room.
We conservatives have to face reality: there is no economic freedom left to defend. America is now a welfare state. The electorate has turned majority progressive because of the Marxist takeover of the schools, media, and culture fifty years ago. Our so-called conservative politicians are all entitlement-state sellouts. We're marginalized and we might as well hunker down, abandon electoral politics, and protect our families and loved ones as best we can.
We're doomed.
Posted by: gp at February 08, 2016 11:16 AM (+Jpqc)
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"Certified" used cars, which they will go 36 months, 15,000 miles per year with a full factory warranty.
"Ayup, that there car is used, I'll certify that."
All my cars were used when I bought them. Let somebody else take the depreciation hit. "Certified", if it has any meaning at all besides sales puffery, is that the dealership charges a premium price for selected cream-puff used cars so that they can offer some sort of warranty. It would be financially prohibitive for a dealership to have their service shop go through each and every used car to make it every bit as good as new, so they don't.
"Ayup, that there car is used, I'll certify that."
All my cars were used when I bought them. Let somebody else take the depreciation hit. "Certified", if it has any meaning at all besides sales puffery, is that the dealership charges a premium price for selected cream-puff used cars so that they can offer some sort of warranty. It would be financially prohibitive for a dealership to have their service shop go through each and every used car to make it every bit as good as new, so they don't.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 08, 2016 11:17 AM (Z8fuk)
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119 Yeah. Prices went up steeply for a while, as packages got smaller. Now we're kind of holding at the higher price, I think.
But TV's are cheap, so it's totally ok.
Posted by: Lea at February 08, 2016 11:15 AM (lIU4e)
The old double whammy. They raised prices at the same time they reduced the size of the product. And that has been going on for a long time. A good reference point is to get an old Betty Crocker cookbook and look at the "standard" can size of vegetables etc and then compare that to what they have now.
But TV's are cheap, so it's totally ok.
Posted by: Lea at February 08, 2016 11:15 AM (lIU4e)
The old double whammy. They raised prices at the same time they reduced the size of the product. And that has been going on for a long time. A good reference point is to get an old Betty Crocker cookbook and look at the "standard" can size of vegetables etc and then compare that to what they have now.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 08, 2016 11:17 AM (t2KH5)
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"There is not one big anything to point to except the debt. Well, that and the urban America and global tire fires."
Don't forget the gutted military.
To Obama, that's a feature, not a bug. His central view of Western nations is as being ruthlessly imperialist and predatory, and a country that can no longer plausibly engage in expeditionary military action won't be getting up to any imperialist misbehavior after he's gone.
Don't forget the gutted military.
To Obama, that's a feature, not a bug. His central view of Western nations is as being ruthlessly imperialist and predatory, and a country that can no longer plausibly engage in expeditionary military action won't be getting up to any imperialist misbehavior after he's gone.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 08, 2016 11:17 AM (noWW6)
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Grocery prices have more than doubled down here in the past five years.
I don't think anyone in DC does their own shopping for anything, or pays for it with their own money.
I don't think anyone in DC does their own shopping for anything, or pays for it with their own money.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 08, 2016 11:17 AM (LUgeY)
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And, just by the by, the market's getting hammered again today.
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at February 08, 2016 11:19 AM (RD7QR)
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When I was a kid, growing up in a lower-middle class neighborhood, everyone on the street bought a new car practically every year.
The slightly better-off ones bought 2 new cars a year. It was a tradition that everyone would go to the dealerships when the new cars were revealed. Searchlights, bands - it was a big deal.
Now, even a normal car costs as much as normal people make in a year.
How did it get so out of balance?
The slightly better-off ones bought 2 new cars a year. It was a tradition that everyone would go to the dealerships when the new cars were revealed. Searchlights, bands - it was a big deal.
Now, even a normal car costs as much as normal people make in a year.
How did it get so out of balance?
Posted by: jwest at February 08, 2016 11:20 AM (Zs4uk)
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A good reference point is to get an old Betty Crocker cookbook and look at the "standard" can size of vegetables etc and then compare that to what they have now.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 08, 2016 11:17 AM (t2KH5)
I did this with a cake mix package. Since the late 90's, went from almost 19oz. to about 15...
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 08, 2016 11:17 AM (t2KH5)
I did this with a cake mix package. Since the late 90's, went from almost 19oz. to about 15...
Posted by: Lea at February 08, 2016 11:20 AM (lIU4e)
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Sadly most of this can be layed at the feet of the GOP.
They have had control of congress, specifically the house, for 9 of the last 11 congresses and not only have they not had any fiscal discipline they have not delivered a single item of lasting permanence that advances the cause of
Liberty, limited government or in anyway stops or checks the progressive agenda.
The GOP is a fraudulent political party.
They have had control of congress, specifically the house, for 9 of the last 11 congresses and not only have they not had any fiscal discipline they have not delivered a single item of lasting permanence that advances the cause of
Liberty, limited government or in anyway stops or checks the progressive agenda.
The GOP is a fraudulent political party.
Posted by: Kreplach at February 08, 2016 11:21 AM (T8JW2)
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I don't think anyone in DC does their own shopping for anything, or pays for it with their own money.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 08, 2016 11:17 AM (LUgeY)
My butler does all the shopping and puts it on my company credit card, and I haven't yet heard him complain about the prices!
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 08, 2016 11:17 AM (LUgeY)
My butler does all the shopping and puts it on my company credit card, and I haven't yet heard him complain about the prices!
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 08, 2016 11:21 AM (wYnyS)
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I think it's a lot more simple. When given a choice between working and not working, a majority of people will choose not working. Hence, Democrats win a lot of elections.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 08, 2016 11:21 AM (0LHZx)
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From WZ: Coming off his Muzzie mosque tour, Obozo forces Georgetown to cover a picture of Jesus before he'll speak. Can't blame him really. If he didn't he'd probably turn into a pillar of salt.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 08, 2016 11:22 AM (Nwg0u)
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They have had control of congress, specifically the house, for 9 of the last 11 congresses and not only have they not had any fiscal discipline they have not delivered a single item of lasting permanence that advances the cause of Liberty, limited government or in anyway stops or checks the progressive agenda.
They can't even pass a budget in any conventional sense of the word.
They can't even pass a budget in any conventional sense of the word.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2016 11:22 AM (659DL)
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"And, just by the by, the market's getting hammered again today."
David Stockman observed recently that there is a huge cohort of Boomers who left their retirement planning late, and who have piled in to the riskier sort of stocks in a last-ditch gambit to rack up large capital gains before they finally do retire.
He doesn't think this is going to work out at all well.
David Stockman observed recently that there is a huge cohort of Boomers who left their retirement planning late, and who have piled in to the riskier sort of stocks in a last-ditch gambit to rack up large capital gains before they finally do retire.
He doesn't think this is going to work out at all well.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 08, 2016 11:22 AM (noWW6)
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"The GOP is a fraudulent political party." Bingo!
Posted by: gp at February 08, 2016 11:22 AM (+Jpqc)
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"They can't even pass a budget in any conventional sense of the word." Bingo!
Posted by: gp at February 08, 2016 11:23 AM (+Jpqc)
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116 Nice long write up, too bad I don't agree with any of it.
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Fair enough.
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Fair enough.
Posted by: MTF at February 08, 2016 11:23 AM (TxJGV)
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It's a lot easier to pick up and carry a five pound bag of sugar anymore. Thanks 0bama!
LIV's everywhere
LIV's everywhere
Posted by: ugg boots at February 08, 2016 11:23 AM (fbovC)
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Grocery prices have more than doubled down here in the past five years.
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And as a point to consider, when was the last time you heard an elected Republican talk about why that is?
When I talked to LIVs and liberals who aren't wealthy they are all pissed off about it.
Meanwhile when Bush was president he was personally responsible for the weather, the recession caused by Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae, and any time in NCO in Iraq played sex dungeon in Abu Gharib...
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And as a point to consider, when was the last time you heard an elected Republican talk about why that is?
When I talked to LIVs and liberals who aren't wealthy they are all pissed off about it.
Meanwhile when Bush was president he was personally responsible for the weather, the recession caused by Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae, and any time in NCO in Iraq played sex dungeon in Abu Gharib...
Posted by: 18-1 at February 08, 2016 11:24 AM (5LOno)
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"Grocery prices have more than doubled" If it weren't for ALDI, I'd starve.
Posted by: gp at February 08, 2016 11:25 AM (+Jpqc)
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Meanwhile when Bush was president he was personally responsible for the weather, the recession caused by Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae, and any time in NCO in Iraq played sex dungeon in Abu Gharib...
You forgot about the Governor of Louisiana and the Mayor of New Orleans being incompetent idiots.
You forgot about the Governor of Louisiana and the Mayor of New Orleans being incompetent idiots.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2016 11:25 AM (659DL)
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>>> I don't think anyone in DC does their own shopping for anything, or pays for it with their own money.
If you are pulling in $500K per year, you can have good steak three meals a day. That won't change by doubling the price.
Because food is cheap in this country, you need not be wealthy to eat steak. I have to wonder if some would prefer that status marker were a bit more distinct.
If you are pulling in $500K per year, you can have good steak three meals a day. That won't change by doubling the price.
Because food is cheap in this country, you need not be wealthy to eat steak. I have to wonder if some would prefer that status marker were a bit more distinct.
Posted by: fluffy at February 08, 2016 11:26 AM (AfsKp)
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>>>...Boomers who left their retirement planning late...
Cue the Boomer Bailout.
Mark it, it's coming.
Cue the Boomer Bailout.
Mark it, it's coming.
Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at February 08, 2016 11:26 AM (bpn7O)
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Obama knows what he is doing.
Posted by: Marco Rubio at February 08, 2016 11:26 AM (UBS9M)
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He is simply printing money out to hoo-ha and pouring into all his socialist projects. If we had an honest treasury the current inflation would be rated at over 20% and possibly higher. When Argentina monetized the debt with their socialist inflation got to the levels of Germany n the 30s.
We are headed there now and it will not be pretty.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 08, 2016 10:21 AM (t2KH5)
Heard on Breitbart this morning that Obama wants something like $1.4 B to combat the Zika virus. The lists of things to be paid for includes more widespread mosquito spraying, more testing services, research into a vaccine and....wait for it, more support for pregnant low income women.
My guess is the bulk of the money will go to the CDC clowns (remember the ebola vaccine debacle?) and for the government to start upteen more welfare programs for pregnant low income women..who of course, routinely travel to Brazil and Venezuela.
Never let a manufactured crisis go to waste.
We are headed there now and it will not be pretty.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 08, 2016 10:21 AM (t2KH5)
Heard on Breitbart this morning that Obama wants something like $1.4 B to combat the Zika virus. The lists of things to be paid for includes more widespread mosquito spraying, more testing services, research into a vaccine and....wait for it, more support for pregnant low income women.
My guess is the bulk of the money will go to the CDC clowns (remember the ebola vaccine debacle?) and for the government to start upteen more welfare programs for pregnant low income women..who of course, routinely travel to Brazil and Venezuela.
Never let a manufactured crisis go to waste.
Posted by: Jen the original at February 08, 2016 11:26 AM (K0Iz7)
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I do almost all of the shopping here since wife has to heat a liquid meal concoction through a tube. I KNOW prices in the grocery store have gone through the roof.
And I am about to find the real cost of my drugs next month when I have to go off my company insurance. It used to run about $400/month when I was working up to my $5,000 deductible and had to pay for all of it.
And those two things are about the only things I spend money on besides stuff like utilities.
And I am about to find the real cost of my drugs next month when I have to go off my company insurance. It used to run about $400/month when I was working up to my $5,000 deductible and had to pay for all of it.
And those two things are about the only things I spend money on besides stuff like utilities.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 08, 2016 11:26 AM (t2KH5)
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...Boomers who left their retirement planning late...
Cue the Boomer Bailout.
Mark it, it's coming.
In the guise of "All your 401Ks belong to us..."
Cue the Boomer Bailout.
Mark it, it's coming.
In the guise of "All your 401Ks belong to us..."
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2016 11:27 AM (659DL)
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That is because the government and the MFM are trying to hide it. Just take a walk through a grocery store.
I go shopping regularly. Prices have not shot up by 20% every month. Some have gone down. Yes, some inflation was hidden for a while in smaller packaging, but lately it hasn't been too bad, probably due to lower gas prices. I've certainly not seen prices double on anything.
I go shopping regularly. Prices have not shot up by 20% every month. Some have gone down. Yes, some inflation was hidden for a while in smaller packaging, but lately it hasn't been too bad, probably due to lower gas prices. I've certainly not seen prices double on anything.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 08, 2016 11:27 AM (39g3+)
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I'm much stronger than I used to be. In this economy I can carry $50 worth of groceries all at once, where I couldn't do that before.
I look forward to being able to carry it in one hand soon.
Hanz and Franz should be proud of me.
I look forward to being able to carry it in one hand soon.
Hanz and Franz should be proud of me.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 08, 2016 11:27 AM (LUgeY)
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OT, but Bill Clinton is mansplaining in the sidebar. He is attacking the Sanders campaign as misogynistic. Bill Clinton. What the actual fuck?
Posted by: MTF at February 08, 2016 11:27 AM (TxJGV)
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Rising grocery prices are just greedy big business gouging you. We need comprehensive punishing legislation to tax and regulate them out of business, and to enrich our friends and relatives at the same time. All of those fresh college graduates who have never done one thing in the real world wil make the perfect bureaucrats to write these new rules.
You're welcome-Progressive, Feel Teh Bern!
You're welcome-Progressive, Feel Teh Bern!
Posted by: ChocoCheese at February 08, 2016 11:28 AM (OvUux)
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Oh yeah. Early retirement + longer lifespans. That one is going to destroy us. All those boomers in their 50s partying and going on cruises then when their health collapses in their 60s and 70s they will scream that we all must pay for it for them because their retirement and savings are gone.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 08, 2016 11:29 AM (39g3+)
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Now, even a normal car costs as much as normal people make in a year.
How did it get so out of balance?
Posted by: jwest at February 08, 2016 11:20 AM (Zs4uk)
In the 1970's a basic car, say a Chevy Belair, cost around $3000. What's an Impala now, around $30000? Prices on most things, and incomes, too, have risen by about a factor of ten since the '70's. Cars have become generally smaller, but have objectively become much better. Faster, safer, more fuel-efficient, more comfortable seats (despite less interior room), and they last a lot longer.
What has changed is that too many people who should not be buying new cars are doing so because crazy financing makes it possible for them to do so.
How did it get so out of balance?
Posted by: jwest at February 08, 2016 11:20 AM (Zs4uk)
In the 1970's a basic car, say a Chevy Belair, cost around $3000. What's an Impala now, around $30000? Prices on most things, and incomes, too, have risen by about a factor of ten since the '70's. Cars have become generally smaller, but have objectively become much better. Faster, safer, more fuel-efficient, more comfortable seats (despite less interior room), and they last a lot longer.
What has changed is that too many people who should not be buying new cars are doing so because crazy financing makes it possible for them to do so.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 08, 2016 11:29 AM (Z8fuk)
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When given a choice between working and not working, a majority of people will choose not working.
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Hell, this is true of everyone that doesn't have on of the rare "I do this job because I love it" type of jobs like rock star.
No one wants to work - we do it because we want to have things and to an ever lesser extent the old
protestant work ethic"
To the extent that the economy allows people to not work it impoverishes us all.
Hell, I'd like to see welfare come with a requirement that if you get "free shit" you have to, at the least, come count rocks all day. Make it so that any job will be more enjoyable...
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Hell, this is true of everyone that doesn't have on of the rare "I do this job because I love it" type of jobs like rock star.
No one wants to work - we do it because we want to have things and to an ever lesser extent the old
protestant work ethic"
To the extent that the economy allows people to not work it impoverishes us all.
Hell, I'd like to see welfare come with a requirement that if you get "free shit" you have to, at the least, come count rocks all day. Make it so that any job will be more enjoyable...
Posted by: 18-1 at February 08, 2016 11:29 AM (5LOno)
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146 Never let a manufactured crisis go to waste.
Posted by: Jen the original at February 08, 2016 11:26 AM (K0Iz7)
That new Republican leadership we have will give him all that + more.
Posted by: Jen the original at February 08, 2016 11:26 AM (K0Iz7)
That new Republican leadership we have will give him all that + more.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 08, 2016 11:29 AM (t2KH5)
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Oh, and you're welcome, LauraW. Great article.
Someone should send a link to Ed Driscoll. Maybe he'll link it at Insty's place. This deserves to be widely read.
Someone should send a link to Ed Driscoll. Maybe he'll link it at Insty's place. This deserves to be widely read.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 08, 2016 11:29 AM (LUgeY)
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You know this upwardly mobility thing may be over sold......for instance just this morning THE ROYAL FAMILY REPORTED THAT WIFI IN THE WHITE HOUSE IS SKETCHY!!!!
Who needs that crap?
In the trailer WIFI is lightning fast 24/7.
Who needs that crap?
In the trailer WIFI is lightning fast 24/7.
Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at February 08, 2016 11:30 AM (fC+Kl)
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All my cars were used when I bought them. Let somebody else take the depreciation hit. "Certified", if it has any meaning at all besides sales puffery, is that the dealership charges a premium price for selected cream-puff used cars so that they can offer some sort of warranty. It would be financially prohibitive for a dealership to have their service shop go through each and every used car to make it every bit as good as new, so they don't.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 08, 2016 11:17 AM (Z8fuk)
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The warranty is what makes certified valuable. Generally the warranty on CPOs is better than on a new car. Last one I got had a 7 year/100K mile warranty (7 years from the day it was initially sold). The car was about 2.5 years old with 25K miles. So I got 4.5 years and 75K miles bumper to bumper warranty on an almost new car. The same warranty for a new version of it is 4 years/50K miles. I paid 60% of what I would have paid had I bought it brand new and got a better warranty.
Buying new...that's for suckers.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 08, 2016 11:17 AM (Z8fuk)
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The warranty is what makes certified valuable. Generally the warranty on CPOs is better than on a new car. Last one I got had a 7 year/100K mile warranty (7 years from the day it was initially sold). The car was about 2.5 years old with 25K miles. So I got 4.5 years and 75K miles bumper to bumper warranty on an almost new car. The same warranty for a new version of it is 4 years/50K miles. I paid 60% of what I would have paid had I bought it brand new and got a better warranty.
Buying new...that's for suckers.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 08, 2016 11:30 AM (0LHZx)
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He is attacking the Sanders campaign as misogynistic. Bill Clinton.
"New Hampshire Doesn't Really Matter"
Coming soon to an Imelda spinner near you.
"New Hampshire Doesn't Really Matter"
Coming soon to an Imelda spinner near you.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2016 11:31 AM (659DL)
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149 I go shopping regularly. Prices have not shot up by
20% every month. Some have gone down. Yes, some inflation was hidden
for a while in smaller packaging, but lately it hasn't been too bad,
probably due to lower gas prices. I've certainly not seen prices double
on anything.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 08, 2016 11:27 AM (39g3+)
That 20% number is annual, not monthly.
20% every month. Some have gone down. Yes, some inflation was hidden
for a while in smaller packaging, but lately it hasn't been too bad,
probably due to lower gas prices. I've certainly not seen prices double
on anything.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 08, 2016 11:27 AM (39g3+)
That 20% number is annual, not monthly.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 08, 2016 11:31 AM (t2KH5)
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You can't look at one commodity and determine rate of inflation.
Unfortunately, under the obamaadministration kleptocracy all economic information is distorted and unuseable. The Fed sure is worried about inflation of consumables yet also facing deflationary long term trends. In short, that means things that are required to live daily are facing large demand and people are just trying to make it to the future but have no economic viability to plan for the future.
Even shorter, we're boned. Learn to moonshine, make ammo and fix things.
You can't look at one commodity and determine rate of inflation.
Unfortunately, under the obama
Even shorter, we're boned. Learn to moonshine, make ammo and fix things.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 08, 2016 11:31 AM (ODxAs)
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153, that's what Obamacare is for. THe Complete Life Pathway, AKA, the Liverpool Pathway is there to "Solve" the problem of unproductive aged eaters.
Posted by: ChocoCheese at February 08, 2016 11:31 AM (OvUux)
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My guess is the bulk of the money will go to the CDC clowns (remember the ebola vaccine debacle?) and for the government to start upteen more welfare programs for pregnant low income women..who of course, routinely travel to Brazil and Venezuela.
UN says we need to make sure they have unfettered access to birth control and abortions to combat Zika visus. (But mostly abortion)
http://tinyurl.com/hpftqy4
UN says we need to make sure they have unfettered access to birth control and abortions to combat Zika visus. (But mostly abortion)
http://tinyurl.com/hpftqy4
Posted by: McCool at February 08, 2016 11:32 AM (TQxRy)
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OT, but Bill Clinton is mansplaining in the sidebar. He is attacking the Sanders campaign as misogynistic. Bill Clinton. What the actual fuck?
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Bernie might have written an article about rape fantasies...but Bill Clinton has lived that dream...
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Bernie might have written an article about rape fantasies...but Bill Clinton has lived that dream...
Posted by: 18-1 at February 08, 2016 11:32 AM (5LOno)
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Hell, I'd like to see welfare come with a requirement that if you get "free shit" you have to, at the least, come count rocks all day. Make it so that any job will be more enjoyable...
Move liquid shit with a straw.
Move liquid shit with a straw.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 08, 2016 11:32 AM (Z1oBf)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2016 11:33 AM (659DL)
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Hell, I'd like to see welfare come with a requirement that if you get "free shit" you have to, at the least, come count rocks all day. Make it so that any job will be more enjoyable...
I'd rather see a society where work and a stable, secure career were encouraged as a creative outlet.
There are good things about us. They should be promoted more.
I'd rather see a society where work and a stable, secure career were encouraged as a creative outlet.
There are good things about us. They should be promoted more.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 08, 2016 11:33 AM (LUgeY)
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They can't even pass a budget in any conventional sense of the word.
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Back in olden days, I studied accounting. They taught me that the way you draw up a budget is to start with your anticipated revenue and base spending on that. Of course, they also taught me that the U.S. government would never act so foolishly as to allow its credit rating to be downgraded so what the hell did they know?
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Back in olden days, I studied accounting. They taught me that the way you draw up a budget is to start with your anticipated revenue and base spending on that. Of course, they also taught me that the U.S. government would never act so foolishly as to allow its credit rating to be downgraded so what the hell did they know?
Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 08, 2016 11:33 AM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: Sol Roth at February 08, 2016 11:33 AM (bpn7O)
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>>UN says we need to make sure they have unfettered access to birth
control and abortions to combat PREGNANCY
control and abortions to combat PREGNANCY
Posted by: Lizzy at February 08, 2016 11:33 AM (NOIQH)
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Even rock stars have days they would rather stay home and binge watch on Netflix rather than go on stage. Every job sucks at least part of the time, no matter how much you love it. We live in a fallen world, there is no utopia you can reach if only you're rich enough or find the right job.
Its always a tradeoff. You can find the most wonderful person on earth to marry but some days you'll wish you were single. You can enjoy being single tremendously but have days you wish you had someone always there you could count on.
Every job is labor, even if you love doing it.
Its always a tradeoff. You can find the most wonderful person on earth to marry but some days you'll wish you were single. You can enjoy being single tremendously but have days you wish you had someone always there you could count on.
Every job is labor, even if you love doing it.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 08, 2016 11:34 AM (39g3+)
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Boomers haven't saved for retirement, and euthanasia is gaining in popularity.
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Children of Men, work of fiction or prediction of the now near future?
Note: The book, not the craptastic movie.
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Children of Men, work of fiction or prediction of the now near future?
Note: The book, not the craptastic movie.
Posted by: 18-1 at February 08, 2016 11:35 AM (5LOno)
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Still only cost a dollar to put in a g-string. I forgot what comedian made the stripper inflation joke questioning what they did 20 or 30 years ago. Did patrons throw coins at the strippers?
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 08, 2016 11:35 AM (AEEhl)
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Now, even a normal car costs as much as normal people make in a year.
How did it get so out of balance?
I've got 185k on my minivan (love Toyota) and need to start looking for my next set of wheels.
I am amazed at how much a gently-used pre-owned car goes for !
It's $20k for anything with less than 50k miles
and $25-30k for new
How did it get so out of balance?
I've got 185k on my minivan (love Toyota) and need to start looking for my next set of wheels.
I am amazed at how much a gently-used pre-owned car goes for !
It's $20k for anything with less than 50k miles
and $25-30k for new
Posted by: McCool at February 08, 2016 11:35 AM (TQxRy)
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I am amazed at how much a gently-used pre-owned car goes for !
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Cash for "Clunkers"...thanks Obama!
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Cash for "Clunkers"...thanks Obama!
Posted by: 18-1 at February 08, 2016 11:36 AM (5LOno)
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175 I am amazed at how much a gently-used pre-owned car goes for !
It's $20k for anything with less than 50k miles
and $25-30k for new
Posted by: McCool at February 08, 2016 11:35 AM (TQxRy)
You can thank Obama's failed used car trade in program for that.
It's $20k for anything with less than 50k miles
and $25-30k for new
Posted by: McCool at February 08, 2016 11:35 AM (TQxRy)
You can thank Obama's failed used car trade in program for that.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 08, 2016 11:36 AM (t2KH5)
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18-1 we hit it at the same time.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 08, 2016 11:37 AM (t2KH5)
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Christopher Taylor at February 08, 2016 11:34 AM (39g3+)
Some jobs are more hateable than others. Believe me.
Some jobs are more hateable than others. Believe me.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 08, 2016 11:37 AM (AEEhl)
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I've certainly not seen prices double on anything.
Consider yourself fortunate. I do all the grocery shopping and I've saved a few receipts from 5 or 6 years ago.
The rise in prices down here has been breathtaking.
Consider yourself fortunate. I do all the grocery shopping and I've saved a few receipts from 5 or 6 years ago.
The rise in prices down here has been breathtaking.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 08, 2016 11:37 AM (LUgeY)
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>>>"All your 401Ks belong to us..."
That should be "All your 401Ks *are* belong to us...".
In the parlance of our times.
That should be "All your 401Ks *are* belong to us...".
In the parlance of our times.
Posted by: Walter Sobchak at February 08, 2016 11:37 AM (bpn7O)
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Still only cost a dollar to put in a g-string.
That actually surprises me. I expected it to be at least a fiver these days. How do those hard working girls trying to get through nursing school make it? Every one of them has a heart of gold under a gruff exterior, I've seen lots of movies, I know.
That actually surprises me. I expected it to be at least a fiver these days. How do those hard working girls trying to get through nursing school make it? Every one of them has a heart of gold under a gruff exterior, I've seen lots of movies, I know.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 08, 2016 11:38 AM (39g3+)
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I am amazed at how much a gently-used pre-owned car goes for ! It's $20k for anything with less than 50k miles
and $25-30k for new
Posted by: McCool at February 08, 2016 11:35 AM (TQxRy)
Yeah, I used to spend a lot of time on the dave ramsey site and they are religious about this 'no new cars' thing. In reality, the answer is generally always 'it depends'. Used car prices were through the roof a few years back and you can generally negotiate new cars down several thousand from sticker, so the difference between a gently used and a new car was minimal. Particularly with cheaper cars.
and $25-30k for new
Posted by: McCool at February 08, 2016 11:35 AM (TQxRy)
Yeah, I used to spend a lot of time on the dave ramsey site and they are religious about this 'no new cars' thing. In reality, the answer is generally always 'it depends'. Used car prices were through the roof a few years back and you can generally negotiate new cars down several thousand from sticker, so the difference between a gently used and a new car was minimal. Particularly with cheaper cars.
Posted by: Lea at February 08, 2016 11:38 AM (lIU4e)
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In the 1970's a basic car, say a Chevy Belair, cost around $3000. What's an Impala now, around $30000?
An Impala bases around $27K, but that's not a basic car. A basic car is a Chevy Spark for around $12,660. And it gets better mileage and is safer than anything GM made in the 70s.
An Impala bases around $27K, but that's not a basic car. A basic car is a Chevy Spark for around $12,660. And it gets better mileage and is safer than anything GM made in the 70s.
Posted by: Ian S. at February 08, 2016 11:38 AM (znyNk)
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Bush and Trump are hitting each other with furniture on twitter. Pretty amusing.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 08, 2016 11:38 AM (/tuJf)
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"Obama wants something like $1.4 B to combat the Zika virus."
That's peanuts. This water-system lead-contamination thing is coming to a head. EVERY Rust-Belt city has lead service lines buried in the homeowners' lots. The usual bleeding-heart crowd is soon going to demand that ALL those pipes are dug up and replaced, paid for by the fed govt. It will cost approximately one jillion-bazillion dollars.
Then, in fifty years, the replacement pipes (made of PVC or copper or some other sh!t) will be discovered to be leaching some "contaminant" at the parts-per-billion level, and then we'll have to replace those too!
That's peanuts. This water-system lead-contamination thing is coming to a head. EVERY Rust-Belt city has lead service lines buried in the homeowners' lots. The usual bleeding-heart crowd is soon going to demand that ALL those pipes are dug up and replaced, paid for by the fed govt. It will cost approximately one jillion-bazillion dollars.
Then, in fifty years, the replacement pipes (made of PVC or copper or some other sh!t) will be discovered to be leaching some "contaminant" at the parts-per-billion level, and then we'll have to replace those too!
Posted by: gp at February 08, 2016 11:38 AM (+Jpqc)
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California.
I grew up there when Reagan was Governor and it truly was a paradise.
Now, the left is destroying/destroyed the economy, tax base, environment, and on and on.
It is so sad.
I grew up there when Reagan was Governor and it truly was a paradise.
Now, the left is destroying/destroyed the economy, tax base, environment, and on and on.
It is so sad.
Posted by: Cheri at February 08, 2016 11:38 AM (oiNtH)
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As for "rock stars" most of their time is not spent on stage. They get the privilege of doing Willy Nelson's Back on The Road again. And I can tell you based on a job I used to have where I was on the road all the time that it sucks.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 08, 2016 11:39 AM (t2KH5)
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Cash for "Clunkers"...thanks Obama!
This bears repeating. I have a friend in the used car business and at first he loved the program: for two months he got lots of sales and they did bang up business. Then.... things went downhill. Not only was the government very slow and picky about repaying for those cars, business has dropped off considerably because so many used cars were destroyed. So they have fewer to offer, have to charge more, and get fewer sales.
And those charities that had used car auctions and such for fundraising? Yeah that took a huge hit too.
Fundamental transformation, one industry at a time.
This bears repeating. I have a friend in the used car business and at first he loved the program: for two months he got lots of sales and they did bang up business. Then.... things went downhill. Not only was the government very slow and picky about repaying for those cars, business has dropped off considerably because so many used cars were destroyed. So they have fewer to offer, have to charge more, and get fewer sales.
And those charities that had used car auctions and such for fundraising? Yeah that took a huge hit too.
Fundamental transformation, one industry at a time.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 08, 2016 11:41 AM (39g3+)
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"Boomers haven't saved for retirement" I saved, but now I've discovered that 61-year-olds can't find a f%cking job anywhere, so I'm having to live off my savings. I had intended to work until I died, but there's no jobs for geezers.
Posted by: gp at February 08, 2016 11:41 AM (+Jpqc)
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185 Bush and Trump are hitting each other with furniture on twitter. Pretty amusing.
I really thought Jeb! would just go away... Ditto Kasich, but no such luck....
I really thought Jeb! would just go away... Ditto Kasich, but no such luck....
Posted by: donna at February 08, 2016 11:41 AM (/dSsq)
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Fundamental transformation, one industry at a time.
Don't forget all the local car dealerships that were forced to close.
That's some real voodoo economics right there, complete with a dead chicken nailed to the door.
Don't forget all the local car dealerships that were forced to close.
That's some real voodoo economics right there, complete with a dead chicken nailed to the door.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 08, 2016 11:42 AM (LUgeY)
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Now, even a normal car costs as much as normal people make in a year.
How did it get so out of balance?
Posted by: jwest at February 08, 2016 11:20 AM (Zs4uk)
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Bullshit, It's not out of balance. In 1990, median HH income was about $30K. And a base 1990 Ford Taurus was $13K MSRP. So 1 year's salary bought a little over 2 mid sized sedans.
Today median income is $55K and a base Honda Accord is $22K. The ratio is exactly the same. But the car of 2016 is a fuck ton better than the car of 1990 with a ton more standard features, safety improvements, etc.
So really todays' car is cheaper in relative terms
How did it get so out of balance?
Posted by: jwest at February 08, 2016 11:20 AM (Zs4uk)
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Bullshit, It's not out of balance. In 1990, median HH income was about $30K. And a base 1990 Ford Taurus was $13K MSRP. So 1 year's salary bought a little over 2 mid sized sedans.
Today median income is $55K and a base Honda Accord is $22K. The ratio is exactly the same. But the car of 2016 is a fuck ton better than the car of 1990 with a ton more standard features, safety improvements, etc.
So really todays' car is cheaper in relative terms
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 08, 2016 11:42 AM (0LHZx)
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I really thought Jeb! would just go away...
He has nothing better to do really.
If he can at least injure Trump/Cruz enough to get Rubio at the head of the ticket though he might get a nice Secretary sinecure...
I really thought Jeb! would just go away...
He has nothing better to do really.
If he can at least injure Trump/Cruz enough to get Rubio at the head of the ticket though he might get a nice Secretary sinecure...
Posted by: 18-1 at February 08, 2016 11:43 AM (5LOno)
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Now is the time for ace to offer HQ stocks for sale to the public.
This place will own Wall Street in no time.
This place will own Wall Street in no time.
Posted by: eman at February 08, 2016 11:43 AM (MQEz6)
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167 Learn to moonshine, make ammo and fix things.
Valuable skills in the camps.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2016 11:33 AM (659DL)
Shivs and pruno
Valuable skills in the camps.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2016 11:33 AM (659DL)
Shivs and pruno
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 08, 2016 11:43 AM (kpqmD)
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Bushes are like crotch crickets; once you get them its damn hard to get rid of them.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 08, 2016 11:43 AM (t2KH5)
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Milton Friedman said this in a very readable book "Capitalism and Freedom". In 1962. No freedom without economic freedom.
Posted by: Smilin' jacj at February 08, 2016 11:44 AM (/Pe2k)
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Don't forget all the local car dealerships that were forced to close.
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Hey Mr Car Dealer...who did you donate to in 2008 again?
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Hey Mr Car Dealer...who did you donate to in 2008 again?
Posted by: Cash for Clunkers administrator... at February 08, 2016 11:44 AM (5LOno)
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A basic car is a Chevy Spark for around $12,660. And it gets better mileage and is safer than anything GM made in the 70s.
Posted by: Ian S. at February 08, 2016 11:38 AM (znyNk)
Better than a Vega?
Posted by: Ian S. at February 08, 2016 11:38 AM (znyNk)
Better than a Vega?
Posted by: jwest at February 08, 2016 11:44 AM (Zs4uk)
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I really thought Jeb! would just go away...
He has nothing better to do really.
If he can at least injure Trump/Cruz enough to get Rubio at the head of the ticket though he might get a nice Secretary sinecure...
I'm pretty sure Jeb! hates Rubio...
He has nothing better to do really.
If he can at least injure Trump/Cruz enough to get Rubio at the head of the ticket though he might get a nice Secretary sinecure...
I'm pretty sure Jeb! hates Rubio...
Posted by: donna at February 08, 2016 11:45 AM (/dSsq)
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Bullshit, It's not out of balance. In 1990, median HH income was about $30K. And a base 1990 Ford Taurus was $13K MSRP. So 1 year's salary bought a little over 2 mid sized sedans. Today median income is $55K and a base Honda Accord is $22K.
Any reason you didn't compare a ford Taurus to a ford Taurus? Because it's 27k for a base model. Just fyi.
Any reason you didn't compare a ford Taurus to a ford Taurus? Because it's 27k for a base model. Just fyi.
Posted by: Lea at February 08, 2016 11:45 AM (lIU4e)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2016 11:46 AM (659DL)
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moo, surely you know the difference between median and mean
Posted by: Feh at February 08, 2016 11:47 AM (raen3)
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Juan Williams has an article up at RealClear claiming "Innuendo Fuels the Clinton Email Saga".
Short of calling for a criminal referral how will the Democrats get closure to this issue? And now she has the Goldman speeches to contend over, since Sanders is calling for her to release transcripts of the speeches. Hillary is a terrible candidate.
Short of calling for a criminal referral how will the Democrats get closure to this issue? And now she has the Goldman speeches to contend over, since Sanders is calling for her to release transcripts of the speeches. Hillary is a terrible candidate.
Posted by: MTF at February 08, 2016 11:47 AM (TxJGV)
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So really todays' car is cheaper in relative terms
What if you don't have a job? All the low prices in the world haven't done me a damned bit of good.
So really todays' car is cheaper in relative terms
What if you don't have a job? All the low prices in the world haven't done me a damned bit of good.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 08, 2016 11:47 AM (LUgeY)
Posted by: 18-1 at February 08, 2016 11:47 AM (5LOno)
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Everyone always complains that prices on everything is going up as they get older. They forget their incomes also increase, and usually faster than the price increase. Yeah a movie used to cost a dime or whatever and that was also when $200 a year was a huge salary. It's all about the ratio of income to "stuff" you buy. And that ratio for the most part is higher today than back in the "good old days", ie you can buy more units of "stuff" with a typical salary today than you could in the 80s or 70s or 60s.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 08, 2016 11:48 AM (0LHZx)
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Iowahawk on the Hillizard campaign:
It's like a 5-car pileup of ambition, greed, entitlement, fear, and desperation
It's like a 5-car pileup of ambition, greed, entitlement, fear, and desperation
Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 08, 2016 11:48 AM (Nwg0u)
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208 I'm pretty sure Jeb! hates Rubio...
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And Obama hated Hillary too..
I don't know, there seems to be some real hate from old Jebster to Rubio....
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And Obama hated Hillary too..
I don't know, there seems to be some real hate from old Jebster to Rubio....
Posted by: donna at February 08, 2016 11:48 AM (/dSsq)
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Hey Mr Car Dealer...who did you donate to in 2008 again?"
Funny.
Cruel, true, and all that. But still funny. In the twisted sense...
Funny.
Cruel, true, and all that. But still funny. In the twisted sense...
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 08, 2016 11:48 AM (C9pBZ)
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You guys must think obozo doesn't know what he's doing.
Posted by: Weasel at February 08, 2016 11:49 AM (6xtq3)
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What if you don't have a job? All the low prices in the world haven't done me a damned bit of good.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 08, 2016 11:47 AM (LUgeY)
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That's a different discussion than whether cars are more or less expensive today. If you didn't have a job in 1990 (or 1980 or 1960) you also wouldn't be buying a new car, right?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 08, 2016 11:47 AM (LUgeY)
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That's a different discussion than whether cars are more or less expensive today. If you didn't have a job in 1990 (or 1980 or 1960) you also wouldn't be buying a new car, right?
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 08, 2016 11:49 AM (0LHZx)
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ie you can buy more units of "stuff" with a typical salary today than you could in the 80s or 70s or 60s."
Which is NOT the same as inflation or deflation in the shorter term.
Which is NOT the same as inflation or deflation in the shorter term.
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 08, 2016 11:50 AM (C9pBZ)
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where the jobs at
Posted by: Feh at February 08, 2016 11:50 AM (raen3)
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You guys must think obozo doesn't know what he's doing.
Nah...
We think obozo doesn't know what he is doing.
Nah...
We think obozo doesn't know what he is doing.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2016 11:50 AM (659DL)
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So really todays' car is cheaper in relative terms
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 08, 2016 11:42 AM (0LHZx)
Back in the late 50's and throughout the 60's, things were different. The family across the street bought a new car every year. He drove a bread truck. Wife didn't work.
The family next to them bought about every other year. He worked in the brewery at Strohs, union guy. Wife didn't work.
The guy on the other side was a self employed barber. Stay at home wife and he bought a couple cars per year, one of which was always an Oldsmobile.
Things were easier back then...
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 08, 2016 11:42 AM (0LHZx)
Back in the late 50's and throughout the 60's, things were different. The family across the street bought a new car every year. He drove a bread truck. Wife didn't work.
The family next to them bought about every other year. He worked in the brewery at Strohs, union guy. Wife didn't work.
The guy on the other side was a self employed barber. Stay at home wife and he bought a couple cars per year, one of which was always an Oldsmobile.
Things were easier back then...
Posted by: jwest at February 08, 2016 11:51 AM (Zs4uk)
Posted by: Feh at February 08, 2016 11:51 AM (raen3)
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Yeah. Prices went up steeply for a while, as packages got smaller. Now we're kind of holding at the higher price, I think.
Yeah, except for meat prices which for reasons other than Obama's stupidity went up significantly last year. They seem to be coming down again, now.
So really todays' car is cheaper in relative terms
The main difference is that there's no really low end car to buy. You can't pick up a cheap car any more due to the regulations and safety stuff piled on to cars.
I remember the old original CVCC got like 45 miles per gallon and cost about the same as a jug of milk. Sure it was the size of a smart car but it cost 1/10th as much. You would die if you hit a shoe, but you could drive that thing forever on a gallon of gas, and a college student could get one.
There's nothing like that out there now because they all have to have airbags and crash crumpling and fuel injection and low emissions and on and on. The price of those little cheap cars basically doubled.
Yeah, except for meat prices which for reasons other than Obama's stupidity went up significantly last year. They seem to be coming down again, now.
So really todays' car is cheaper in relative terms
The main difference is that there's no really low end car to buy. You can't pick up a cheap car any more due to the regulations and safety stuff piled on to cars.
I remember the old original CVCC got like 45 miles per gallon and cost about the same as a jug of milk. Sure it was the size of a smart car but it cost 1/10th as much. You would die if you hit a shoe, but you could drive that thing forever on a gallon of gas, and a college student could get one.
There's nothing like that out there now because they all have to have airbags and crash crumpling and fuel injection and low emissions and on and on. The price of those little cheap cars basically doubled.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 08, 2016 11:51 AM (39g3+)
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And those charities that had used car auctions and such for fundraising? Yeah that took a huge hit too.
Fundamental transformation, one industry at a time.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 08, 2016 11:41 AM (39g3+)
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Plus I'm having a hard time finding a used Dodge Aries.
And those charities that had used car auctions and such for fundraising? Yeah that took a huge hit too.
Fundamental transformation, one industry at a time.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 08, 2016 11:41 AM (39g3+)
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Plus I'm having a hard time finding a used Dodge Aries.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 08, 2016 11:51 AM (LXJ1e)
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You know, an out of balance washing machine sounds a bit like tympani. Apropos of nothing whatsoever. Carry on.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 08, 2016 11:52 AM (kpqmD)
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One of the best posts i've read in months
Posted by: willow at February 08, 2016 11:52 AM (C25F+)
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gas prices are coming down
so by all means, let's slap a $10 federal tax on that STAT
can't have cheap fossil fuels, we will all DIE OF GLOBAL WARMING
so by all means, let's slap a $10 federal tax on that STAT
can't have cheap fossil fuels, we will all DIE OF GLOBAL WARMING
Posted by: Feh at February 08, 2016 11:52 AM (raen3)
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With each generation, we continue to lose the narrative.
Leftists/socialists own the education establishment and the entertainment business. They preach from there, and we let our kids soak it up.
Not sure what the counterpunch is for this, but it's got to change if attitudes are going to change.
Leftists/socialists own the education establishment and the entertainment business. They preach from there, and we let our kids soak it up.
Not sure what the counterpunch is for this, but it's got to change if attitudes are going to change.
Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at February 08, 2016 11:52 AM (OaAhi)
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and on and on"
what, you mean bluetooth, Sirius XM, and wifi aren't free?
MEANNASTYCARDEALERSCUM!!!!
what, you mean bluetooth, Sirius XM, and wifi aren't free?
MEANNASTYCARDEALERSCUM!!!!
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 08, 2016 11:52 AM (C9pBZ)
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216 You guys must think obozo doesn't know what he's doing.
Nah...
We think obozo doesn't know what he is doing.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2016 11:50 AM (659DL)
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What we need is a really short person with enormous ears to dispel you of this notion.
Nah...
We think obozo doesn't know what he is doing.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2016 11:50 AM (659DL)
______________________________
What we need is a really short person with enormous ears to dispel you of this notion.
Posted by: Weasel at February 08, 2016 11:53 AM (6xtq3)
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Things were easier back then...
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Less regulation, so every transaction was more profitable to everyone involved.
Things were easier back then...
***
Less regulation, so every transaction was more profitable to everyone involved.
Posted by: 18-1 at February 08, 2016 11:53 AM (5LOno)
Posted by: Feh at February 08, 2016 11:53 AM (raen3)
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And don't get me started on those shitty, dangerous, tire pressure monitors.
Posted by: Chupacabra at February 08, 2016 11:53 AM (kZVsz)
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hell, these days you can't even get new blog threads, let alone a new car or a j*b...
someone's debased the value of a Platinum membership.
someone's debased the value of a Platinum membership.
Posted by: redc1c4 at February 08, 2016 11:54 AM (Asynq)
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1. breed
2. teach your kids
3. teach your kids to teach other kids
4. take over education system again in 60 years or so
2. teach your kids
3. teach your kids to teach other kids
4. take over education system again in 60 years or so
Posted by: Feh at February 08, 2016 11:54 AM (raen3)
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Plus I'm having a hard time finding a used Dodge Aries."
Well, most were built with the optional "rust to bits" package...
Well, most were built with the optional "rust to bits" package...
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 08, 2016 11:54 AM (C9pBZ)
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Let's not get manufacturing efficiencies mixed into inflation. Just because some company found a way to make a widget at a lower cost or a better widget at the same cost, doesn't get the government of the hook for reducing the buying power of a dollar unit.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at February 08, 2016 11:54 AM (LXJ1e)
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226 216 You guys must think obozo doesn't know what he's doing.
Nah...
We think obozo doesn't know what he is doing.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2016 11:50 AM (659DL)
______________________________
What we need is a really short person with enormous ears to dispel you of this notion.
Posted by: Weasel at February 08, 2016 11:53 AM (6xtq3)
The late Senator Paul Simon?
Nah...
We think obozo doesn't know what he is doing.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2016 11:50 AM (659DL)
______________________________
What we need is a really short person with enormous ears to dispel you of this notion.
Posted by: Weasel at February 08, 2016 11:53 AM (6xtq3)
The late Senator Paul Simon?
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 08, 2016 11:54 AM (kpqmD)
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California.
I grew up there when Reagan was Governor and it truly was a paradise.
Now, the left is destroying/destroyed the economy...
The point Laura made about the self taught lessons never being learned is in full fruition here in CO as the leftist refugees from CA have moved like locusts to destroy this beautiful state.
ps:broncosaresuperbowlchampionsneennerneener.
I grew up there when Reagan was Governor and it truly was a paradise.
Now, the left is destroying/destroyed the economy...
The point Laura made about the self taught lessons never being learned is in full fruition here in CO as the leftist refugees from CA have moved like locusts to destroy this beautiful state.
ps:broncosaresuperbowlchampionsneennerneener.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 08, 2016 11:55 AM (ODxAs)
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I really thought Jeb! would just go away...
He has nothing better to do really.
If he can at least injure Trump/Cruz enough to get Rubio at the head of the ticket though he might get a nice Secretary sinecure...
I'm pretty sure Jeb! hates Rubio...
Posted by: donna at February 08, 2016 11:45 AM (/dSsq)
Jeb! has the money to last throughout the whole season so he will.
There's a great chance that by using his money wisely (I know, I know) -
that he can keep a rotating top 3 among Cruz Trump Rubio so that no one wins a clear majority.
If he's really lucky, he can knock off Rubio and reclaim all of those sweet sweet GOPe votes.
If the convention is deadlocked after the first vote or two-
that throws everything open and works to the advantage of the very strong within the GOPe Bush Cronies.
Jeb! becomes the 'unity" candidate, and-
Adios, America!
He has nothing better to do really.
If he can at least injure Trump/Cruz enough to get Rubio at the head of the ticket though he might get a nice Secretary sinecure...
I'm pretty sure Jeb! hates Rubio...
Posted by: donna at February 08, 2016 11:45 AM (/dSsq)
Jeb! has the money to last throughout the whole season so he will.
There's a great chance that by using his money wisely (I know, I know) -
that he can keep a rotating top 3 among Cruz Trump Rubio so that no one wins a clear majority.
If he's really lucky, he can knock off Rubio and reclaim all of those sweet sweet GOPe votes.
If the convention is deadlocked after the first vote or two-
that throws everything open and works to the advantage of the very strong within the GOPe Bush Cronies.
Jeb! becomes the 'unity" candidate, and-
Adios, America!
Posted by: naturalfake at February 08, 2016 11:55 AM (0cMkb)
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Less regulation, so every transaction was more profitable to everyone involved. "
Less opportunity for graft. Heard that one somewhere...
Less opportunity for graft. Heard that one somewhere...
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 08, 2016 11:55 AM (C9pBZ)
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so by all means, let's slap a $10 federal tax on that STAT
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One thing the Dems are brilliant at is targeting people outside of their coalition to hurt.
Gas taxes do raise the price on everything, but they most immediately hurt people who commute to work - which are generally not Obama voters...
I do think if we had an opposition party, their response to this would be to pass a bill limiting the use of Air Force Once by the president...
But...we don't actually have an opposition party at this point.
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One thing the Dems are brilliant at is targeting people outside of their coalition to hurt.
Gas taxes do raise the price on everything, but they most immediately hurt people who commute to work - which are generally not Obama voters...
I do think if we had an opposition party, their response to this would be to pass a bill limiting the use of Air Force Once by the president...
But...we don't actually have an opposition party at this point.
Posted by: 18-1 at February 08, 2016 11:55 AM (5LOno)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 08, 2016 11:55 AM (Nwg0u)
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The commie infiltration goes back 100 years. Groups like CFR are not (necessarily) full of commies seeking to deliver us to Moscow, or commies with a globalist vision even maybe. But they are mostly globalists that see a utility in a world government, and they see their fortunes enhanced at the same time.
"Invisible Government" is free for Kindle, by Dan Smoot a former FBI agent that became a sort of whistle blower. He addresses the Americans like Rockefeller and Carnegie, as well as the efforts to condition the American people to accept their globalist desires. I'm listening to it now.
http://tinyurl.com/jg9fpp8 free download, check out the comments
Politicians can't campaign on rational economics because anyone still believing in America First knows the policy is irrational and globalist. Cruz was raised up in globalist Bush's camp where he met his wife, and as he rose his wife rose in globalist Goldman Sachs. This is why Ron Paul says Cruz is just "one of them". Perhaps Trump is as well, but I think he is more pro-America First.
We are sold the economics of global comparative advantage like global warming, the "science" is settled. But CA is not physics, it is theory, and the theory itself came with a long list of qualifiers that make it largely impractical on a global scale. It may be useful theory within US borders, but even there it has limits.
That is background. This link is specific about the propaganda behind the establishment claims, that comparative advantage is some sort of settled science economic physics, with immutable laws that must be obeyed. Levin was pushing the "economics is physics" BS as well. They are just theories that have some truth, but also many unintended consequences and limitations. The Greenspan doublespeak was used to drive us toward this globalist hell, and Americans thought it was great as long as their mutual funds went up in paper value 12% every year.
americaneconomicalert.org/view_art.asp?Prod_ID=3076
I think it's gonna take a Trump to fight the kingmakers, as Schlafly and others believe. Cruz may be OK, but he is young and has globalist ties, not executive experience in taking on kingmakers.
"I view the word conservative as a derivative ... of the word conserve. We want to conserve our country. We want to save our country." Donald Trump
http://tinyurl.com/znozsgm
"Invisible Government" is free for Kindle, by Dan Smoot a former FBI agent that became a sort of whistle blower. He addresses the Americans like Rockefeller and Carnegie, as well as the efforts to condition the American people to accept their globalist desires. I'm listening to it now.
http://tinyurl.com/jg9fpp8 free download, check out the comments
Politicians can't campaign on rational economics because anyone still believing in America First knows the policy is irrational and globalist. Cruz was raised up in globalist Bush's camp where he met his wife, and as he rose his wife rose in globalist Goldman Sachs. This is why Ron Paul says Cruz is just "one of them". Perhaps Trump is as well, but I think he is more pro-America First.
We are sold the economics of global comparative advantage like global warming, the "science" is settled. But CA is not physics, it is theory, and the theory itself came with a long list of qualifiers that make it largely impractical on a global scale. It may be useful theory within US borders, but even there it has limits.
That is background. This link is specific about the propaganda behind the establishment claims, that comparative advantage is some sort of settled science economic physics, with immutable laws that must be obeyed. Levin was pushing the "economics is physics" BS as well. They are just theories that have some truth, but also many unintended consequences and limitations. The Greenspan doublespeak was used to drive us toward this globalist hell, and Americans thought it was great as long as their mutual funds went up in paper value 12% every year.
americaneconomicalert.org/view_art.asp?Prod_ID=3076
I think it's gonna take a Trump to fight the kingmakers, as Schlafly and others believe. Cruz may be OK, but he is young and has globalist ties, not executive experience in taking on kingmakers.
"I view the word conservative as a derivative ... of the word conserve. We want to conserve our country. We want to save our country." Donald Trump
http://tinyurl.com/znozsgm
Posted by: Illiniwek at February 08, 2016 11:55 AM (5Gpe2)
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The main problem is those "failed state and cities" we see, are nothing of the sort to their denizens.They are paradise to the occupants- as all their basic wants and needs are cared for by the government.
Do you really think the people in Bridgeport give a fig where all the free stuff is coming from? After all, Malloy is telling them it's coming from the rich folks down 95 in Fairfield County.
Problem is these folks who believe it is paradise don't understand math and the fact that people can actually leave their "paradise" for states who don't fleece the populace. That's the "big lie" people like Malloy perpetrate- that there is a never ending supply of money.
Just ask GE- I bet they'll tell you...
Do you really think the people in Bridgeport give a fig where all the free stuff is coming from? After all, Malloy is telling them it's coming from the rich folks down 95 in Fairfield County.
Problem is these folks who believe it is paradise don't understand math and the fact that people can actually leave their "paradise" for states who don't fleece the populace. That's the "big lie" people like Malloy perpetrate- that there is a never ending supply of money.
Just ask GE- I bet they'll tell you...
Posted by: Marcus T at February 08, 2016 11:56 AM (GGCsk)
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doesn't get the government of the hook for reducing the buying power of a dollar unit."
Shhhh. Don't let out the secret, 'k?
Shhhh. Don't let out the secret, 'k?
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 08, 2016 11:56 AM (C9pBZ)
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And don't get me started on those shitty, dangerous, tire pressure monitors.
Posted by: Chupacabra at February 08, 2016 11:53 AM (kZVsz)
I have an inexpensive, 12/13 year old car with 120k miles on it. I have been looking at new cars for when I start to feel it is unsafe, but I have major concerns about all these sensors. I know it would drive me nuts to have lights on all the time for stupid things like low tire pressure!
And apparently all this cool internet stuff costs extra, and you have to keep paying it. I'm not sure what I'm going to want when it comes down to it...
Posted by: Chupacabra at February 08, 2016 11:53 AM (kZVsz)
I have an inexpensive, 12/13 year old car with 120k miles on it. I have been looking at new cars for when I start to feel it is unsafe, but I have major concerns about all these sensors. I know it would drive me nuts to have lights on all the time for stupid things like low tire pressure!
And apparently all this cool internet stuff costs extra, and you have to keep paying it. I'm not sure what I'm going to want when it comes down to it...
Posted by: Lea at February 08, 2016 11:56 AM (lIU4e)
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234 No, no - I'm thinking of someone currently not dead.
Posted by: Weasel at February 08, 2016 11:56 AM (6xtq3)
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Not sure what the counterpunch is for this, but it's got to change if attitudes are going to change.
Observation, common sense and "How would like that done to you?" all can go a long way to counteracting all the leftarded bullshit we're immersed in daily.
Particularly for the young'uns. Get them to develop their own ability to question everything.
Give them their very own BS Meter.
Observation, common sense and "How would like that done to you?" all can go a long way to counteracting all the leftarded bullshit we're immersed in daily.
Particularly for the young'uns. Get them to develop their own ability to question everything.
Give them their very own BS Meter.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 08, 2016 11:57 AM (LUgeY)
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Still good as a re-run.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 08, 2016 11:57 AM (a5HYV)
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What we need is a really short person with enormous ears to dispel you of this notion.
Posted by: Weasel at February 08, 2016 11:53 AM
Or a person with a rug on His head , or a person with a large nose, or one with Bush for a name, or a rotund doughnut eater, or a Mailman's son, ......
Now I depressed Myself...
Posted by: Weasel at February 08, 2016 11:53 AM
Or a person with a rug on His head , or a person with a large nose, or one with Bush for a name, or a rotund doughnut eater, or a Mailman's son, ......
Now I depressed Myself...
Posted by: donna at February 08, 2016 11:57 AM (/dSsq)
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Amazon Dash Buttons.
Ummm, ok. I am going to pay 5 bucks to order your product conveniently.
Pass.
Dash button for Mac and Cheese. o.O
Ummm, ok. I am going to pay 5 bucks to order your product conveniently.
Pass.
Dash button for Mac and Cheese. o.O
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at February 08, 2016 11:58 AM (mEZce)
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You guys must think obozo doesn't know what he's doing.
Posted by: Weasel at February 08, 2016 11:49 AM (6xtq3)
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Fredo (and his regime) have known exactly what they are doing since day one of his preezyness.
Posted by: Weasel at February 08, 2016 11:49 AM (6xtq3)
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Fredo (and his regime) have known exactly what they are doing since day one of his preezyness.
Posted by: Soona at February 08, 2016 11:58 AM (Fmupd)
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Another reason why I can't wait to vote for Trump. I want Trump for President. I want him to nominate Cruz for Supreme Court. If the establishment gets there way after McCain, Romney, Boehner, McConnell, Ryan, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. then you can enjoy your President Clinton. I'm not voting. Enjoy the boom!
Posted by: rightwingva at February 08, 2016 11:58 AM (12N38)
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The main problem is those "failed state and cities" we see, are nothing of the sort to their denizens.They are paradise to the occupants- as all their basic wants and needs are cared for by the government."
BINGO!!!
A hard truth, and at the core of "fallen" tribes/cities/states since, well... forever.
BINGO!!!
A hard truth, and at the core of "fallen" tribes/cities/states since, well... forever.
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at February 08, 2016 11:59 AM (C9pBZ)
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"Everyone always complains that prices on everything is going up as they get older. They forget their incomes also increase" Maybe that's the way in works in macroeconomics textbooks. When you get older, you'll find out how the world really works.
Posted by: gp at February 08, 2016 11:59 AM (+Jpqc)
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Obama knows exactly what he's doing.
Posted by: Marco R. at February 08, 2016 11:59 AM (kZVsz)
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Coming to the conclusion that we're doomed was very liberating.
Posted by: Weasel at February 08, 2016 11:59 AM (6xtq3)
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here in CO as the leftist refugees from CA have moved like locusts to destroy this beautiful state
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This is where the lack of Republican response to Obamanomics really hurts.
Ask the LIVs who move to CO why there are no jobs and everything is expensive in CA and they likely won't have any idea that it has a connection to all those progressive things they voted for in CA.
It was just...bad luck.
And now in CO they have jobs and we can afford to live...but what are they doing to save the Earth?...and wow the school are underfunded!...and trans-people aren't getting their surgeries for free...and...etc...etc...etc
Now if someone where to consistently point to why CA sucks (or better the Detroit example) then maybe you could get through to the LIVs...but almost no one does...
***
This is where the lack of Republican response to Obamanomics really hurts.
Ask the LIVs who move to CO why there are no jobs and everything is expensive in CA and they likely won't have any idea that it has a connection to all those progressive things they voted for in CA.
It was just...bad luck.
And now in CO they have jobs and we can afford to live...but what are they doing to save the Earth?...and wow the school are underfunded!...and trans-people aren't getting their surgeries for free...and...etc...etc...etc
Now if someone where to consistently point to why CA sucks (or better the Detroit example) then maybe you could get through to the LIVs...but almost no one does...
Posted by: 18-1 at February 08, 2016 12:00 PM (5LOno)
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No, no - I'm thinking of someone currently not dead.
Technically incorrect. Lithium battery power does not convey life.
Technically incorrect. Lithium battery power does not convey life.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2016 12:00 PM (659DL)
Posted by: donna at February 08, 2016 12:00 PM (/dSsq)
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Coming to the conclusion that we're doomed was very liberating.
I'm starting to get there....
You guys never read Monty, eh?
I'm starting to get there....
You guys never read Monty, eh?
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2016 12:01 PM (659DL)
Posted by: donna at February 08, 2016 12:01 PM (/dSsq)
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And now, the machine-powered lunchtime Dow rally that will last until about 2:30.
You can set your watch by this stuff now.
You can set your watch by this stuff now.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2016 12:02 PM (659DL)
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Feh , they will justst blame the man not understanding tho are the man
Posted by: willow at February 08, 2016 12:02 PM (C25F+)
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I had a conversation with a Singaporean cab driver that started when I told him I hoped he had a busy morning. He thought that was a curious thing to say. I told him I wanted him to get rich. Or at least richer than he was so his family would be happy. I like rich people. Rich people never fuck with me. That's really all I want. Don't fuck with me. I'll prosper and I hope you do too. I promise I won't fuck with you.
Posted by: Claude Clay, Esq. at February 08, 2016 12:02 PM (m3Sth)
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"Everyone always complains that prices on everything is going up as they get older. They forget their incomes also increase" Maybe that's the way in works in macroeconomics textbooks.
Real world, not so much.
If cost of living goes up 4% and your paycheck goes up 1.3%?
Yeah.
Real world, not so much.
If cost of living goes up 4% and your paycheck goes up 1.3%?
Yeah.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 08, 2016 12:02 PM (Z1oBf)
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"Winning the narrative" is a pipe dream.
Humans are born ignorant, greedy, and lazy. For the most part, they have no better teacher than their own personal suffering. Sometime, in an effort to escape their own misery, they overcome their own inherent failings.
Time spent easing their pain is better spent limiting their destruction to themselves ... like dealing with a junkie.
Humans are born ignorant, greedy, and lazy. For the most part, they have no better teacher than their own personal suffering. Sometime, in an effort to escape their own misery, they overcome their own inherent failings.
Time spent easing their pain is better spent limiting their destruction to themselves ... like dealing with a junkie.
Posted by: Irony at February 08, 2016 12:03 PM (BHaRb)
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Dana Milbank calls Ted Cruz an anti-Semite today in the WaPo, for using the word "chutzpah" and saying "New York" in the same paragraph. Cruz was talking about Trump at the time, but Milbank wants to make the case that Cruz is a nasty piece of work, so he makes into an anti-Semitic attack.
It's really incredible what sewage the Washington Post allows to seep through their armies of fact-checkers and editors, and will publish.
It's really incredible what sewage the Washington Post allows to seep through their armies of fact-checkers and editors, and will publish.
Posted by: MTF at February 08, 2016 12:03 PM (TxJGV)
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President Obama doesn't know what he's doing in this sense: he doesn't know how anything works or what the consequences of his ideas are. He doesn't know how to carry them out properly and intelligently through the system. He doesn't know how to do the job, but has people around that go through the motions to make up for it. He has a plan, of course. Its been there from the start. But he's incompetent at carrying it out. That's why we got the ACA which is so wretched everyone hates it.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 08, 2016 12:03 PM (39g3+)
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Some Democrat voters may need to lose a generation to undstand this. They need to understand the fix is in and life really doesn't improve much when the government is handing you everything.
The rich aren't getting "richer" because of their money. They're getting richer because they're productive, work for it and don't stand around waiting for someone to provide them everything.
We should all aspire to do better. But now Democrats have made that evil.
Wall Street is the pit of hell and working hard for what you want is passe.
The rich aren't getting "richer" because of their money. They're getting richer because they're productive, work for it and don't stand around waiting for someone to provide them everything.
We should all aspire to do better. But now Democrats have made that evil.
Wall Street is the pit of hell and working hard for what you want is passe.
Posted by: Marcus T at February 08, 2016 12:04 PM (GGCsk)
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Real world, not so much.
If cost of living goes up 4% and your paycheck goes up 1.3%?
Yeah.
GOOD NEWS, CITIZEN!!!!
THE BANKS WILL NOW CHARGE YOU TO TAKE OF THAT 1.3 PERCENT TO HELP YOU PROSPER!!!
If cost of living goes up 4% and your paycheck goes up 1.3%?
Yeah.
GOOD NEWS, CITIZEN!!!!
THE BANKS WILL NOW CHARGE YOU TO TAKE OF THAT 1.3 PERCENT TO HELP YOU PROSPER!!!
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2016 12:04 PM (659DL)
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There was an article in the business section of the WaPo yesterday that was talking about the demise of small towns, specifically in West Virginia, due to the closure of Walmarts. The author ( I forget the name) opined that Walmart was most certainly evil, but at least it provided jobs for these poor, unwashed, uncivil hillbillies. How evil of them to close stores that were necessary!!! Nevermind that he was opposed to Walmart spreading and killing mom and pop stores, or being a blight.
But what was most interesting was the author interviewed actual people from these WV small towns, and one brave lady had the huevos to say, (paraphrased) Walmart closing is bad, but the economic decline began when the president closed the coal mines. That's when we lost jobs, and utility costs went up. Then the rest of the article focused solely on Walmart and it's supreme evilness.
Buried the lede.
But what was most interesting was the author interviewed actual people from these WV small towns, and one brave lady had the huevos to say, (paraphrased) Walmart closing is bad, but the economic decline began when the president closed the coal mines. That's when we lost jobs, and utility costs went up. Then the rest of the article focused solely on Walmart and it's supreme evilness.
Buried the lede.
Posted by: Moki at February 08, 2016 12:05 PM (7q2ch)
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235. There was a saying in Colorado in the 90s: "Don't Californicate Colorado.". But they went ahead and did it anyway.
Posted by: Smilin' jacj at February 08, 2016 12:05 PM (/Pe2k)
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259
You guys never read Monty, eh?
Actually, no...
Posted by: donna at February 08, 2016 12:01 PM (/dSsq)
Ah, so you have not yet attained DOOM-lightenment. He will show you the way.
You guys never read Monty, eh?
Actually, no...
Posted by: donna at February 08, 2016 12:01 PM (/dSsq)
Ah, so you have not yet attained DOOM-lightenment. He will show you the way.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 08, 2016 12:05 PM (kpqmD)
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Is there a C3bio summary that can be looped to play repeatedly for this?
Besides "Gang of 8, we B great!", that is.
Is there a C3bio summary that can be looped to play repeatedly for this?
Besides "Gang of 8, we B great!", that is.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) at February 08, 2016 12:06 PM (BK3ZS)
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Historically, during periods of inflation, prices of manufactured goods fell. Economists are so focused on the business cycle, they don't study the movement of prices over centuries. Thus, people like Larry Kudlow sound like idiots.
See: The Great Wave: Price Revolutions and the Rhythm of History, David Hackett Fischer
See: The Great Wave: Price Revolutions and the Rhythm of History, David Hackett Fischer
Posted by: Oschisms at February 08, 2016 12:06 PM (ZsN9X)
Posted by: Marco Robotio at February 08, 2016 12:07 PM (5e6eO)
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at February 08, 2016 12:07 PM (eytER)
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You can set your watch by this stuff now.
Yeah, the stock market is almost utterly worthless as an economic indicator. Especially after nearly a decade of Quantitative Easing.
Yeah, the stock market is almost utterly worthless as an economic indicator. Especially after nearly a decade of Quantitative Easing.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 08, 2016 12:07 PM (39g3+)
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As a fellow prisoner of CT I'd just like to say that your rendition of our illustrious Governor was spot on.
As a fellow prisoner of CT I'd just like to say that your rendition of our illustrious Governor was spot on.
Posted by: Jaimo at February 08, 2016 12:08 PM (9U1OG)
Posted by: Chris Christie pretending to be Reagan at February 08, 2016 12:08 PM (FkBIv)
Posted by: willow at February 08, 2016 12:08 PM (C25F+)
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The point Laura made about the self taught lessons never being learned is in full fruition here in CO as the leftist refugees from CA have moved like locusts to destroy this beautiful state.
ps:broncosaresuperbowlchampionsneennerneener
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
True. I am here on the Western Slope and it is still mostly conservative however in just seven years I have seen the slow infestation of liberalism here.
ps:broncosaresuperbowlchampionsneennerneener
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
True. I am here on the Western Slope and it is still mostly conservative however in just seven years I have seen the slow infestation of liberalism here.
Posted by: Cheri at February 08, 2016 12:09 PM (oiNtH)
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And now in CO they have jobs and we can afford to live...but what are
they doing to save the Earth?...and wow the school are
underfunded!...and trans-people aren't getting their surgeries for
free...and...etc...etc...etc
I read a story in the Austin American-Statesman about a woman who had voted for every park improvement, bike path, hiking path, bus stop kiosks, rec center, swimming pool and every other "civic improvement" project that came along to make her city a more livable place. She was complaining because she couldn't afford the property taxes anymore and had to move, just when things were getting good! She was still not quite able to make the connection between all the things and her taxes increasing.
they doing to save the Earth?...and wow the school are
underfunded!...and trans-people aren't getting their surgeries for
free...and...etc...etc...etc
I read a story in the Austin American-Statesman about a woman who had voted for every park improvement, bike path, hiking path, bus stop kiosks, rec center, swimming pool and every other "civic improvement" project that came along to make her city a more livable place. She was complaining because she couldn't afford the property taxes anymore and had to move, just when things were getting good! She was still not quite able to make the connection between all the things and her taxes increasing.
Posted by: huerfano at February 08, 2016 12:10 PM (NSb9d)
Posted by: Weasel at February 08, 2016 12:10 PM (6xtq3)
Posted by: Chupacabra at February 08, 2016 12:10 PM (kZVsz)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at February 08, 2016 12:10 PM (u82oZ)
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Channeling the current denial-of-reality nature of contemporary rhetoric, there's a third way of getting to the top of an oak tree, "where the view is better:" Cut the tree down, sit among the grounded limbs, and tell everyone that the tree was not cut down, and that the view is great, and that if they don't agree, they're haterz and ought to be jailed.
Posted by: General Zod at February 08, 2016 12:10 PM (Bdeb0)
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She was complaining because she couldn't afford the property taxes anymore and had to move, just when things were getting good!
She was still not quite able to make the connection between all the things and her taxes increasing.
And she never will.
She was still not quite able to make the connection between all the things and her taxes increasing.
And she never will.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 08, 2016 12:12 PM (Z1oBf)
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>>>Observation, common sense and "How would like that done to you?" all can go a long way to counteracting all the leftarded bullshit we're immersed in daily. Particularly for the young'uns. Get them to develop their own ability to question everything.
This takes more work than many of us are willing to put out.
A half-hour at the dinner table isn't enough to counteract hours of socialist schooling. (But it's a good start.)
Many of us want someone else to do the educating for us. That's been our downfall, as the Alinskys knew right where to put their effort.
Mrs. Rittenhouse and I home-school. We still have to actively counter the crap that finds its way into Disney productions, placards at the zoo, etc. It's global warming, redistribution, and regulation everywhere out there.
This takes more work than many of us are willing to put out.
A half-hour at the dinner table isn't enough to counteract hours of socialist schooling. (But it's a good start.)
Many of us want someone else to do the educating for us. That's been our downfall, as the Alinskys knew right where to put their effort.
Mrs. Rittenhouse and I home-school. We still have to actively counter the crap that finds its way into Disney productions, placards at the zoo, etc. It's global warming, redistribution, and regulation everywhere out there.
Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at February 08, 2016 12:12 PM (OaAhi)
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**Gets up and Walks Out of Presser**
Posted by: Cam Newton at February 08, 2016 12:13 PM (AimgL)
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Clancy dog I would first have to buy a gun And then somebody can show me
Posted by: willow at February 08, 2016 12:14 PM (C25F+)
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My strategy for dealing with our impending collapse is to ignore the real world and watch only westerns from the 40s and 50s and listen to vinatge radio programs.
And make Uranus jokes here, of course.
And make Uranus jokes here, of course.
Posted by: Weasel at February 08, 2016 12:14 PM (6xtq3)
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It would be interesting to know the average amount people spend on having a car. I wonder how much the monthly cost varies between higher and lower priced cars.
Anyone who cares to share, just use this formula:
Price you paid for the car minus how much you sold it or traded it in for divided by how many months you owned it.
So, if you bought a Honda for 28K and sold it 6 years later for 8K, it cost $277 per month.
Anyone who cares to share, just use this formula:
Price you paid for the car minus how much you sold it or traded it in for divided by how many months you owned it.
So, if you bought a Honda for 28K and sold it 6 years later for 8K, it cost $277 per month.
Posted by: jwest at February 08, 2016 12:14 PM (Zs4uk)
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Capitalism is not the preferred nomenclature. Free enterprise, please.
Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at February 08, 2016 12:14 PM (4KoRb)
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Weasel, you should be a life-coach.
Posted by: Chupacabra at February 08, 2016 12:15 PM (kZVsz)
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289 Willow, you any where near NoVA?
Posted by: Weasel at February 08, 2016 12:15 PM (6xtq3)
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Eh, once you accept the idea that-
there are smarter, better, more wonderful, incredibly beautiful people who can make everything in your world right
then the only question is what is your price for that to happen?
That is the basis of all Democrat/Socialist/ Communist politics.
Women are wired to go with the guy who offers them the best deal for them and their kids. Which is mostly seen as who can give them the most goodies.
Socialism scratches that itch very well.
So, that's a hard battle right there from the get-go.
Then look at the generational welfare bums...
The kids are raised in an environment where Mom or Dad or both never work and just lap up other people's money-
to them that's normal.
So, that's really a hard nut to crack.
Then for the rest of the leftards- the angelical socialist beings who will run the show-
will make their personal/psychological/physical/financial shortcomings all better because nothing in their life is ever their fault.
And that right there is a really tough nut to crack.
To win and actually make all of these people's lives better-
We and our representatives must stand up and argue and fight for what we know is right-
if our representatives can't make the argument (Helloooo Jeb! Rubio Kasich McConnell Ryan) then they need to be voted out of office every single time.
Till we develop a cultural of conservative honey badgers.
instead of the limp dicks in office now.
Eh, once you accept the idea that-
there are smarter, better, more wonderful, incredibly beautiful people who can make everything in your world right
then the only question is what is your price for that to happen?
That is the basis of all Democrat/Socialist/ Communist politics.
Women are wired to go with the guy who offers them the best deal for them and their kids. Which is mostly seen as who can give them the most goodies.
Socialism scratches that itch very well.
So, that's a hard battle right there from the get-go.
Then look at the generational welfare bums...
The kids are raised in an environment where Mom or Dad or both never work and just lap up other people's money-
to them that's normal.
So, that's really a hard nut to crack.
Then for the rest of the leftards- the angelical socialist beings who will run the show-
will make their personal/psychological/physical/financial shortcomings all better because nothing in their life is ever their fault.
And that right there is a really tough nut to crack.
To win and actually make all of these people's lives better-
We and our representatives must stand up and argue and fight for what we know is right-
if our representatives can't make the argument (Helloooo Jeb! Rubio Kasich McConnell Ryan) then they need to be voted out of office every single time.
Till we develop a cultural of conservative honey badgers.
instead of the limp dicks in office now.
Posted by: naturalfake at February 08, 2016 12:16 PM (0cMkb)
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So tomorrow is the NH primary. Can't wait until the primaries are over. Then it's on to the convention.......in Cleveland.
Posted by: Soona at February 08, 2016 12:17 PM (Fmupd)
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293 HA! I can rest easy knowing the GOP has everything else taken care of.
Posted by: Weasel at February 08, 2016 12:17 PM (6xtq3)
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Take your kids hunting. Best antidote to indoctrination I know of.
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at February 08, 2016 12:17 PM (m3Sth)
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An Impala bases around $27K, but that's not a basic car. A basic car is a Chevy Spark for around $12,660. And it gets better mileage and is safer than anything GM made in the 70s.
Posted by: Ian S. at February 08, 2016 11:38 AM (znyNk)
I was trying to compare full-size to full-size. The 1970's comparator for the Spark would be a 6-cylinder Nova, I guess.
Posted by: Ian S. at February 08, 2016 11:38 AM (znyNk)
I was trying to compare full-size to full-size. The 1970's comparator for the Spark would be a 6-cylinder Nova, I guess.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 08, 2016 12:17 PM (Z8fuk)
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Weasel I am currently in the sw
Posted by: willow at February 08, 2016 12:17 PM (C25F+)
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Barack Obama is undertaking a systematic effort to change this country,
to make America more like the rest of the world... it is a systematic
effort to change America.
to make America more like the rest of the world... it is a systematic
effort to change America.
Posted by: Fritz at February 08, 2016 12:18 PM (UzPAd)
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I bought my truck in 01, for $32k.
A Clutch, Water Pump and 3 Sets of Tires later and she's about to turn 200K. I did ok.
A Clutch, Water Pump and 3 Sets of Tires later and she's about to turn 200K. I did ok.
Posted by: garrett at February 08, 2016 12:18 PM (AimgL)
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289 get to it. Most ranges have a ladies night where someone can teach you safety and operation in a less stressful environment. Once you get your hands on one and understand that they only go boom when you pull the trigger, you'll be empowered. It is a tool to level the playing field between the good guys and the bad guys. Contrary to what the Obama regime tells you about covering yourself in body fluids or just learning to like it, you can defend yourself.
.38+P hollow points are a heck of a lot more efficacious than a whistle.
.38+P hollow points are a heck of a lot more efficacious than a whistle.
Posted by: ChocoCheese at February 08, 2016 12:20 PM (OvUux)
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Observation, common sense and "How would like that done to you?
I always get a kick out of professional athletes when they talk about high tax rates. Especially the rookies with their signing bonus. You can almost actually see a glimmer of a lightbulb.
I always get a kick out of professional athletes when they talk about high tax rates. Especially the rookies with their signing bonus. You can almost actually see a glimmer of a lightbulb.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 08, 2016 12:20 PM (ODxAs)
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300 Well I guess I can't take you to the range then. I'll be out there tomorrow - looking forward to getting away from the east coast for a few days!
Posted by: Weasel at February 08, 2016 12:21 PM (6xtq3)
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I was trying to compare full-size to full-size. The 1970's comparator for the Spark would be a 6-cylinder Nova, I guess.
A Vega.
A Vega.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 08, 2016 12:22 PM (LUgeY)
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301 Barack Obama is undertaking a systematic effort to change this country,
to make America more like the rest of the world... it is a systematic
effort to change America.
Posted by: Fritz at February 08, 2016 12:18 PM (UzPAd)
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This. And, economically and militarily, he's very close to succeeding.
to make America more like the rest of the world... it is a systematic
effort to change America.
Posted by: Fritz at February 08, 2016 12:18 PM (UzPAd)
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This. And, economically and militarily, he's very close to succeeding.
Posted by: Soona at February 08, 2016 12:22 PM (Fmupd)
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303 THIS x a billion.
Posted by: Weasel at February 08, 2016 12:22 PM (6xtq3)
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as each generation is fully convinced of it's own superiority over it's predecessors
It is NOT
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so for Christ's sweet sake, stop describing
something belonging to it as it's!!!!!1!!
It is NOT
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so for Christ's sweet sake, stop describing
something belonging to it as it's!!!!!1!!
Posted by: jwpaine, otherized for your protection at February 08, 2016 12:22 PM (wKcQA)
Posted by: Illegal Immigrants at February 08, 2016 12:23 PM (ODxAs)
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Sadly, the majority, perhaps, really dig on socialism in some form in America. Laura's lament would not be comprehended.I've got that marginalized feeling of late. Makes it hard to even bother talking about the state of the nation anymore.
Posted by: kraken at February 08, 2016 12:23 PM (sdxPm)
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>>I always get a kick out of professional athletes when they talk about high tax rates. Especially the rookies with their signing bonus. You can almost actually see a glimmer of a lightbulb.
You see this with recent college graduates, too. Well. those fortunate enough to have actually found a job.
You want to change young people's attitudes, do a hidden camera montage of kids opening their first paycheck and seeing what Uncle Sugar is taking from them and show it to their friends still in school.
You see this with recent college graduates, too. Well. those fortunate enough to have actually found a job.
You want to change young people's attitudes, do a hidden camera montage of kids opening their first paycheck and seeing what Uncle Sugar is taking from them and show it to their friends still in school.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 08, 2016 12:23 PM (/tuJf)
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who knew that a blown speaker would be such an ordeal? we had surround sound put in the family room when the house was built 12 yrs ago...a back speaker blew out....so i had the co come out to get a new one...well it's better to get a pair....and then the back speakers were round....and round ones are really for the front...i really needed rectangular ones....or so the guy tells me...i don't care if they are round or rectagular....i care that they work and that they can make the rectangle fit in the area.....ok.....the guy says....he'll be back saturday.....saturday rolls around and the retagular speakers won't fit in the round speaker area unless they cut into a support beam.....whoa!!!!! you are not cutting the support beam!!!!! they don't fit...get me ones that fit...they go back to the store....with the measurements of the old speaker.....call and say they'll be back monday to install......here they are with round speakers that are 2 " bigger than the original.....they WON'T FIT......
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at February 08, 2016 12:23 PM (0O7c5)
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13.5k/12.5 years = 90 a year lol. That doesn't count repairs, obviously.
Posted by: Lea at February 08, 2016 12:23 PM (lIU4e)
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302 I bought my truck in 01, for $32k.
A Clutch, Water Pump and 3 Sets of Tires later and she's about to turn 200K. I did ok.
Posted by: garrett at February 08, 2016 12:18 PM (A___L)
Right around $172 per month or a little bit more with repairs. That's pretty low.
A Clutch, Water Pump and 3 Sets of Tires later and she's about to turn 200K. I did ok.
Posted by: garrett at February 08, 2016 12:18 PM (A___L)
Right around $172 per month or a little bit more with repairs. That's pretty low.
Posted by: jwest at February 08, 2016 12:24 PM (Zs4uk)
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Last time I shot a gun 30.06? It knows me knows my ass
Posted by: willow at February 08, 2016 12:26 PM (C25F+)
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I have a few relatives that don't get simple economics and they never will.
People deserve free healthcare, tuition, etc. Where does the money come from as nothing is "free"? Why, from the government they say.
I ask where does the government get their money as they produce nothing? Um, um......
It is a maddening circle of stupidity so I don't even try anymore with them .
People deserve free healthcare, tuition, etc. Where does the money come from as nothing is "free"? Why, from the government they say.
I ask where does the government get their money as they produce nothing? Um, um......
It is a maddening circle of stupidity so I don't even try anymore with them .
Posted by: Cheri at February 08, 2016 12:26 PM (oiNtH)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at February 08, 2016 12:27 PM (zYV5P)
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A month. 90 a month. Sheesh.
I have a few relatives that don't get simple economics and they never will.
Way, way too many people don't get it at all.
I have a few relatives that don't get simple economics and they never will.
Way, way too many people don't get it at all.
Posted by: Lea at February 08, 2016 12:27 PM (lIU4e)
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Hmm I cant grok tht type pad and I lost Google. Ok e somewhere
Posted by: willow at February 08, 2016 12:27 PM (C25F+)
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314 13.5k/12.5 years = 90 a year lol. That doesn't count repairs, obviously.
Posted by: Lea at February 08, 2016 12:23 PM (lIU4e)
Actually, $90 per month. That's incredible.
Posted by: Lea at February 08, 2016 12:23 PM (lIU4e)
Actually, $90 per month. That's incredible.
Posted by: jwest at February 08, 2016 12:28 PM (Zs4uk)
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How did it get so out of balance?
Posted by: jwest at February 08, 2016 11:20 AM (Zs4uk)
Good question. I noted the other day that a really nice new pickup truck costs more than double what my first house cost.
Posted by: jwest at February 08, 2016 11:20 AM (Zs4uk)
Good question. I noted the other day that a really nice new pickup truck costs more than double what my first house cost.
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 08, 2016 12:28 PM (wYnyS)
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316 Start with a smaller caliber like .38 Special and gain handgun handling experience from there. Great advice at #303 - go to the range and ask around - you will meet lots of friendly people willing to help a new shooter.
Posted by: Weasel at February 08, 2016 12:29 PM (6xtq3)
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Google. Voice somewhere
Posted by: willow at February 08, 2016 12:29 PM (C25F+)
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Actually, $90 per month. That's incredible.
Posted by: jwest at February 08, 2016 12:28 PM (Zs4uk)
Yeah I misspoke. Buy an inexpensive car and drive it for a long time and that's what you get.
The next car I want to upgrade a bit, but I'm not making payments the size of my mortgage!
Posted by: jwest at February 08, 2016 12:28 PM (Zs4uk)
Yeah I misspoke. Buy an inexpensive car and drive it for a long time and that's what you get.
The next car I want to upgrade a bit, but I'm not making payments the size of my mortgage!
Posted by: Lea at February 08, 2016 12:30 PM (lIU4e)
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296 So tomorrow is the NH primary. Can't wait until the primaries are over. Then it's on to the convention.......in Cleveland.
Posted by: Soona at February 08, 2016 12:17 PM (Fmupd)
Should be steamy.
Posted by: Soona at February 08, 2016 12:17 PM (Fmupd)
Should be steamy.
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at February 08, 2016 12:31 PM (RD7QR)
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Sadly, the majority, perhaps, really dig on socialism in some form in America. Laura's lament would not be comprehended.I've got that marginalized feeling of late. Makes it hard to even bother talking about the state of the nation anymore.
Posted by: kraken at February 08, 2016 12:23 PM (sdxPm
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Same here. When I mention how socialism steals from people, rich, middle-class, and poor, all I get anymore are eye rolls and derision. And, unfortunately, I'm starting to get that from people who held my views just a few years ago.
The free shit. It is powerful.
Posted by: kraken at February 08, 2016 12:23 PM (sdxPm
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Same here. When I mention how socialism steals from people, rich, middle-class, and poor, all I get anymore are eye rolls and derision. And, unfortunately, I'm starting to get that from people who held my views just a few years ago.
The free shit. It is powerful.
Posted by: Soona at February 08, 2016 12:31 PM (Fmupd)
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@317 I ask where does the government get their money as they produce nothing? Um, um......
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Part of the problem is that more and more the government really *isn't* getting the money from taxpayers. Instead, it's putting the money on the charge card so that future taxpayers will have to deal with it instead.
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Part of the problem is that more and more the government really *isn't* getting the money from taxpayers. Instead, it's putting the money on the charge card so that future taxpayers will have to deal with it instead.
Posted by: junior at February 08, 2016 12:31 PM (2vC9U)
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317 I have a few relatives that don't get simple economics and they never will.
People deserve free healthcare, tuition, etc. Where does the money come from as nothing is "free"? Why, from the government they say.
I ask where does the government get their money as they produce nothing? Um, um......
It is a maddening circle of stupidity so I don't even try anymore with them .
There's always a ... "rich"... person, somewhere, that is going to pay for it, for them.
People deserve free healthcare, tuition, etc. Where does the money come from as nothing is "free"? Why, from the government they say.
I ask where does the government get their money as they produce nothing? Um, um......
It is a maddening circle of stupidity so I don't even try anymore with them .
There's always a ... "rich"... person, somewhere, that is going to pay for it, for them.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at February 08, 2016 12:32 PM (zYV5P)
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When I mention how socialism steals from people, rich, middle-class, and poor, all I get anymore are eye rolls and derision
Generally when I make a point liberal friends/coworkers can't argue with they just say 'you're right' and then keep voting exactly as they have been.
Generally when I make a point liberal friends/coworkers can't argue with they just say 'you're right' and then keep voting exactly as they have been.
Posted by: Lea at February 08, 2016 12:32 PM (lIU4e)
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The question is moot.
Posted by: $19,005,647,839,950.64 at February 08, 2016 10:40 AM (evdj2)
It's Moo.
Posted by: Joey Tribbiani at February 08, 2016 10:43 AM (UnJ7w)
The answer is The Moops.Posted by: George Constanza.....................Shmoopy.
Posted by: $19,005,647,839,950.64 at February 08, 2016 10:40 AM (evdj2)
It's Moo.
Posted by: Joey Tribbiani at February 08, 2016 10:43 AM (UnJ7w)
The answer is The Moops.Posted by: George Constanza.....................Shmoopy.
Posted by: Sheila at February 08, 2016 12:33 PM (HgMAr)
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OT:
This would be a laughfest if.....well, you know...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/feb/7/p
entagon-orders-commanders-to-prioritize-climate-c/
(remove extra spaces)
That's right.
Obama has ordered the military to focus on mythological climate change-
instead of military victory.
I see no way, at all, that this could go wrong and cost American lives.
This would be a laughfest if.....well, you know...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/feb/7/p
entagon-orders-commanders-to-prioritize-climate-c/
(remove extra spaces)
That's right.
Obama has ordered the military to focus on mythological climate change-
instead of military victory.
I see no way, at all, that this could go wrong and cost American lives.
Posted by: naturalfake at February 08, 2016 12:33 PM (0cMkb)
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Willow, just start with a nice .22 caliber anything and practice putting holes in what you are aiming at. Giving a newbie of the female persuasion a 30/06 to shoot is regarded as a class 2 felony assault in many states.
Posted by: kraken at February 08, 2016 12:33 PM (sdxPm)
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The problem with those school kids and athletes is that when they get that glimmer of a clue, their response has been carefully trained to yell "government needs to fix this!!!"
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 08, 2016 12:33 PM (39g3+)
335
Same here. When I mention how socialism steals from people, rich, middle-class, and poor, all I get anymore are eye rolls and derision. And, unfortunately, I'm starting to get that from people who held my views just a few years ago.
The free shit. It is powerful.
Posted by: Soona at February 08, 2016 12:31 PM (Fmupd)
Repeat a lie often enough.....
The free shit. It is powerful.
Posted by: Soona at February 08, 2016 12:31 PM (Fmupd)
Repeat a lie often enough.....
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at February 08, 2016 12:34 PM (zYV5P)
336
That's right.
Obama has ordered the military to focus on mythological climate change- instead of military victory.
Every one with more than one star in the Pentagon needs to go.
Obama has ordered the military to focus on mythological climate change- instead of military victory.
Every one with more than one star in the Pentagon needs to go.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2016 12:35 PM (659DL)
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A month. 90 a month. Sheesh.
I have a few relatives that don't get simple economics and they never will.
Way, way too many people don't get it at all.
Free market economics isn't being taught in skoolz.
I remember when we had an in-class demonstration of economics back in HS. Everybody was given a widget to sell with various levels of cost. The cost of my widget was $1.50. I sold it for $4.00.
I still remember that. And yes, that's my lawn you're on.
I have a few relatives that don't get simple economics and they never will.
Way, way too many people don't get it at all.
Free market economics isn't being taught in skoolz.
I remember when we had an in-class demonstration of economics back in HS. Everybody was given a widget to sell with various levels of cost. The cost of my widget was $1.50. I sold it for $4.00.
I still remember that. And yes, that's my lawn you're on.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 08, 2016 12:35 PM (LUgeY)
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Giving a newbie of the female persuasion a 30/06 to shoot is regarded as a class 2 felony assault in many states.
Do those have a thing that sticks up in the back?
Do those have a thing that sticks up in the back?
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2016 12:36 PM (659DL)
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willow, there are a few things that kick worse than a 30.06 but not many.
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at February 08, 2016 12:36 PM (m3Sth)
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I've found that the people that reflexively vote democrat cheat on EVERYTHING. They cheat on their taxes, they lie to get freebies, they don't donate to charities, the most important thing to them is that "virtue signaling."
Posted by: ChocoCheese at February 08, 2016 12:37 PM (OvUux)
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Obama has ordered the military to focus on mythological climate change -- instead of military victory.
Yeah and while I'm sure Obama has managed to promote some miserable sycophantic wretches into officer positions to act on this the rest will see this as pissant and "get right on that."
Yeah and while I'm sure Obama has managed to promote some miserable sycophantic wretches into officer positions to act on this the rest will see this as pissant and "get right on that."
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 08, 2016 12:37 PM (39g3+)
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.here they are with round speakers that are 2 " bigger than the original.....they WON'T FIT......
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at February 08, 2016 12:23 PM (0O7c5)
PG, if you can't get the correct size, and you surely should, unless the old ones were some oddball size, go for one size smaller. Newer speakers have stronger magnets in them, and should put out as much as bigger speakers of an older generation.
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at February 08, 2016 12:23 PM (0O7c5)
PG, if you can't get the correct size, and you surely should, unless the old ones were some oddball size, go for one size smaller. Newer speakers have stronger magnets in them, and should put out as much as bigger speakers of an older generation.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 08, 2016 12:37 PM (Z8fuk)
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Last time I shot a gun 30.06? It knows me knows my ass
Posted by: willow at February 08, 2016 12:26 PM (C25F+)
Your voice to text experiment has made you a very amusing poster lately.
Posted by: willow at February 08, 2016 12:26 PM (C25F+)
Your voice to text experiment has made you a very amusing poster lately.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 08, 2016 12:37 PM (kKHcp)
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Kraken I'm sure it was amusing to my x that I wanted to be a. Ig girl , however it hurt my feelings my pride , my shoulder and my ass
Posted by: willow at February 08, 2016 12:38 PM (C25F+)
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The problem with those school kids and athletes is that when they get that glimmer of a clue, their response has been carefully trained to yell "government needs to fix this!!!"
That's when you yell back, "government ENJOYS fvcking you. They aren't gonna fix it!"
That's when you yell back, "government ENJOYS fvcking you. They aren't gonna fix it!"
Posted by: rickb223 at February 08, 2016 12:38 PM (Z1oBf)
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The free shit. It is powerful.
Posted by: Soona
But Sweden, Norway....!! I get these same old busted replies. We just haven't done it RIGHT yet. I have a relative that is trying to convince me that the $15 dollar minimum wage is a big success in places where it has been implemented. I wonder why I get migraines.
Posted by: Soona
But Sweden, Norway....!! I get these same old busted replies. We just haven't done it RIGHT yet. I have a relative that is trying to convince me that the $15 dollar minimum wage is a big success in places where it has been implemented. I wonder why I get migraines.
Posted by: Cheri at February 08, 2016 12:39 PM (oiNtH)
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All girls should be Ig Girls.
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at February 08, 2016 12:39 PM (m3Sth)
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Policy to rid us of regulation would help, but policy is driven by globalists with a different agenda. It is most clearly seen with Democrats and the Obama sellout, but has gone on for decades. It is no accident that Fannie Mae gets investigated by Jamie Gorelick, when she (seems to be) one of the most guilty. Lerner was messing with elections back in the 90's even, and now is comfortably retired. And the Clintons ... sheesh.
We have to get at the root problem, and quit pretending if we just fixed some regulatory problems, the whole globalist agenda would be just peachy. The commie influenced establishment class is the problem, and they are a cancer that has metastasized throughout the levers of power. We stop them by demanding "America First", and start reversing course on all their agenda.
We have to get at the root problem, and quit pretending if we just fixed some regulatory problems, the whole globalist agenda would be just peachy. The commie influenced establishment class is the problem, and they are a cancer that has metastasized throughout the levers of power. We stop them by demanding "America First", and start reversing course on all their agenda.
Posted by: Illiniwek at February 08, 2016 12:40 PM (5Gpe2)
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willow, there are a few things that kick worse than a 30.06 but not many.
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at February 08, 2016 12:36 PM (m3Sth)
I don't think a 30-06 kicks that much. A 12 g shotgun with 00-buck kicks harder. As for starting wifey on one that probably isn't a problem. My wife had never shot a pistol before so I took her out to shoot my .357 with max loads in it (hand loads). She had no problems.
willow, there are a few things that kick worse than a 30.06 but not many.
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at February 08, 2016 12:36 PM (m3Sth)
I don't think a 30-06 kicks that much. A 12 g shotgun with 00-buck kicks harder. As for starting wifey on one that probably isn't a problem. My wife had never shot a pistol before so I took her out to shoot my .357 with max loads in it (hand loads). She had no problems.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 08, 2016 12:41 PM (t2KH5)
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Hillary! sits in awe at the complexity of the Dunkin Donuts menu.
http://tinyurl.com/hwajjh3
Hillary Clinton and her top aide Huma Abedin agonized over the Dunkin Donuts menu in front of the press corps on Sunday as the former First Lady continues her bid to appear more relatable than rival Bernie Sanders
http://tinyurl.com/hwajjh3
Hillary Clinton and her top aide Huma Abedin agonized over the Dunkin Donuts menu in front of the press corps on Sunday as the former First Lady continues her bid to appear more relatable than rival Bernie Sanders
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at February 08, 2016 12:41 PM (mEZce)
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Started my kids w/ .22 long guns. They're now quite proficient w/ 9mm carbines.
I'll move them to 5.56 next, along with a try at .38 handgun.
I'll move them to 5.56 next, along with a try at .38 handgun.
Posted by: Irony at February 08, 2016 12:41 PM (BHaRb)
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Your voice to text experiment has made you a very amusing poster lately.
Just wait until your iPhone starts to predict what you're going to say.
It'll be something akin to your brother getting a sconce in a warehouse paver. Hotel beaver football paint, except the electrician.
Just wait until your iPhone starts to predict what you're going to say.
It'll be something akin to your brother getting a sconce in a warehouse paver. Hotel beaver football paint, except the electrician.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 08, 2016 12:41 PM (LUgeY)
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339 Unfortunately there is a particular brand of idiot who likes to give a new shooter something big and loud to 'impress' them. Dumbasses.
Start small, caliber-wise, and work up. You might be surprised at how challenging and fun shooting is. And you're learning a potentially very useful skill, too.
Start small, caliber-wise, and work up. You might be surprised at how challenging and fun shooting is. And you're learning a potentially very useful skill, too.
Posted by: Weasel at February 08, 2016 12:41 PM (6xtq3)
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Last year I made $203 more than the cutoff for deducting my IRA contributions in my taxes. I had already contributed assuming that I would be reducing my tax burden. sigh.
Who the hell comes up with these arbitrary numbers for this stuff anyways?
Who the hell comes up with these arbitrary numbers for this stuff anyways?
Posted by: ChocoCheese at February 08, 2016 12:41 PM (OvUux)
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Back in the late 50's and throughout the 60's, things were different. The family across the street bought a new car every year. He drove a bread truck. Wife didn't work.
The family next to them bought about every other year. He worked in the brewery at Strohs, union guy. Wife didn't work.
The guy on the other side was a self employed barber. Stay at home wife and he bought a couple cars per year, one of which was always an Oldsmobile.
Things were easier back then...
Posted by: jwest at February 08, 2016 11:51 AM (Zs4uk)
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You know why they bought a new car every year? Because the cars were pieces of shit that barely lasted a year. They were designed to be pieces of shit exactly for the purpose of getting people to constantly buy new. Planned obsolescence.
We don't buy a new car every year today because it would be insane given that even the shittiest POS UAW built car will last 100K miles easy. And a well built Toyota will last 200K+ without breaking a sweat.
The family next to them bought about every other year. He worked in the brewery at Strohs, union guy. Wife didn't work.
The guy on the other side was a self employed barber. Stay at home wife and he bought a couple cars per year, one of which was always an Oldsmobile.
Things were easier back then...
Posted by: jwest at February 08, 2016 11:51 AM (Zs4uk)
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You know why they bought a new car every year? Because the cars were pieces of shit that barely lasted a year. They were designed to be pieces of shit exactly for the purpose of getting people to constantly buy new. Planned obsolescence.
We don't buy a new car every year today because it would be insane given that even the shittiest POS UAW built car will last 100K miles easy. And a well built Toyota will last 200K+ without breaking a sweat.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 08, 2016 12:41 PM (0LHZx)
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Everybody was given a widget to sell with various levels of cost. The cost of my widget was $1.50. I sold it for $4.00.
Did Don Draper help sell it?
Did Don Draper help sell it?
Posted by: rickb223 at February 08, 2016 12:42 PM (Z1oBf)
Posted by: 63% Effective Tax Rate at February 08, 2016 12:42 PM (zYV5P)
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30-06, depends on the rifle. My Garands are nice soft shooters.
My Remington 700, though, is worse. The gas system on the Garand softens the blow, of course.
Stock design is also key - had a Savage something or other (IIRC - got rid of it long ago) that really didn't agree with me. Angle on the stock channeled recoil in a not-comfortable way.
My Remington 700, though, is worse. The gas system on the Garand softens the blow, of course.
Stock design is also key - had a Savage something or other (IIRC - got rid of it long ago) that really didn't agree with me. Angle on the stock channeled recoil in a not-comfortable way.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at February 08, 2016 12:43 PM (eytER)
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Hillary Clinton and her top aide Huma Abedin agonized over the Dunkin Donuts menu in front of the press corps on Sunday
Now if this were say, Chris Christie: "Chris Christie Sends Bad Diet Message to Youth..."
Now if this were say, Chris Christie: "Chris Christie Sends Bad Diet Message to Youth..."
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2016 12:43 PM (659DL)
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Juan McCain on FNC's Outnumbered. I've got the sound down, but just looking at the expressions of his face, I know he's sucking progressive cock.
Posted by: Soona at February 08, 2016 12:43 PM (Fmupd)
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"I think it's gonna take a Trump to fight the kingmakers, as Schlafly and
others believe. Cruz may be OK, but he is young and has globalist ties,
not executive experience in taking on kingmakers."
What in the world makes you think Trump will fight the "kingmakers" other than maybe, MAYBE on the issue of immigration? He is a kingmaker, albeit on a different scale than George Soros. He is not likely to fight the kingmakers on most issues because he sees nothing wrong with the system that benefits them and him as it is.
Nor is he likely to appoint conservative justices , as someone anticipated above, because he is not a conservative. He has no intellectual basis in conservatism and no understanding of why the Constitution is important.
others believe. Cruz may be OK, but he is young and has globalist ties,
not executive experience in taking on kingmakers."
What in the world makes you think Trump will fight the "kingmakers" other than maybe, MAYBE on the issue of immigration? He is a kingmaker, albeit on a different scale than George Soros. He is not likely to fight the kingmakers on most issues because he sees nothing wrong with the system that benefits them and him as it is.
Nor is he likely to appoint conservative justices , as someone anticipated above, because he is not a conservative. He has no intellectual basis in conservatism and no understanding of why the Constitution is important.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 08, 2016 12:44 PM (OrI3J)
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I remember when we had an in-class demonstration of economics back in HS. Everybody was given a widget to sell with various levels of cost. The cost of my widget was $1.50. I sold it for $4.00.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 08, 2016 12:35 PM (LUgeY)
A 167% markup? If you did that in today's high school they'd fail you, slap you with a 98% windfall profits tax, and throw your ass in high school jail for "gouging" while the class split up all your stuff.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 08, 2016 12:35 PM (LUgeY)
A 167% markup? If you did that in today's high school they'd fail you, slap you with a 98% windfall profits tax, and throw your ass in high school jail for "gouging" while the class split up all your stuff.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 08, 2016 12:44 PM (zc3Db)
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Just wait until your iPhone starts to predict what you're going to say.
It'll be something akin to your brother getting a sconce in a warehouse paver. Hotel beaver football paint, except the electrician.
At that point, just tell Siri to go to the HQ and post as you that day.
It'll be something akin to your brother getting a sconce in a warehouse paver. Hotel beaver football paint, except the electrician.
At that point, just tell Siri to go to the HQ and post as you that day.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 08, 2016 12:44 PM (Z1oBf)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 08, 2016 12:44 PM (LUgeY)
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Meghan McCain on Fox. Fat or pregnant and fat?
Sleep apnea poster girl.
Sleep apnea poster girl.
Posted by: Richard Simmons at February 08, 2016 12:44 PM (UBS9M)
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This quote from Jim Geraghty today is amazing to me. I've never heard these facts (I assume he can show they are facts) mentioned before:
The bluer the city, generally, the fewer the children. For example, the highest percentage of US. women over age 40 without children -- a remarkable 70 percent -- can be found in Washington, D.C. In Manhattan, singles make up half of all households. In some central neighborhoods of major metropolitan areas such as New York, San Francisco, and Seattle, less than 10 percent of the population is made up of children under 18. Perhaps the ultimate primary example of the new child-free city is San Francisco, home now to 80,000 more dogs than children, and where the percentage of children has dropped 40 percent since 1970.
The bluer the city, generally, the fewer the children. For example, the highest percentage of US. women over age 40 without children -- a remarkable 70 percent -- can be found in Washington, D.C. In Manhattan, singles make up half of all households. In some central neighborhoods of major metropolitan areas such as New York, San Francisco, and Seattle, less than 10 percent of the population is made up of children under 18. Perhaps the ultimate primary example of the new child-free city is San Francisco, home now to 80,000 more dogs than children, and where the percentage of children has dropped 40 percent since 1970.
Posted by: MTF at February 08, 2016 12:44 PM (TxJGV)
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But Sweden, Norway....!!
They never talk about me.....
Or that Georgia and Alabama could beat the crap out of them in a war.
They never talk about me.....
Or that Georgia and Alabama could beat the crap out of them in a war.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2016 12:45 PM (659DL)
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Nor is he likely to appoint conservative justices , as someone anticipated above, because he is not a conservative. He has no intellectual basis in conservatism and no understanding of why the Constitution is important.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 08, 2016 12:44 PM (OrI3J)
argumentum ad tedium
Posted by: redbanzai at February 08, 2016 12:44 PM (OrI3J)
argumentum ad tedium
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 08, 2016 12:45 PM (Z8fuk)
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355 You know why they bought a new car every year?
Because the cars were pieces of shit that barely lasted a year. They
were designed to be pieces of shit exactly for the purpose of getting
people to constantly buy new. Planned obsolescence.
We don't buy a new car every year today because it would be insane
given that even the shittiest POS UAW built car will last 100K miles
easy. And a well built Toyota will last 200K+ without breaking a sweat.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 08, 2016 12:41 PM (0LHZx)
My father had a 58 Ford that he bought new and drove all the way up to the late 70s when some kid rear-ended him at a red light and totaled it. Yes you had to do more routine maintenance on them (pts and plugs etc) but they were not a piece of shit.
Because the cars were pieces of shit that barely lasted a year. They
were designed to be pieces of shit exactly for the purpose of getting
people to constantly buy new. Planned obsolescence.
We don't buy a new car every year today because it would be insane
given that even the shittiest POS UAW built car will last 100K miles
easy. And a well built Toyota will last 200K+ without breaking a sweat.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 08, 2016 12:41 PM (0LHZx)
My father had a 58 Ford that he bought new and drove all the way up to the late 70s when some kid rear-ended him at a red light and totaled it. Yes you had to do more routine maintenance on them (pts and plugs etc) but they were not a piece of shit.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 08, 2016 12:45 PM (t2KH5)
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"As well as anyone who views your wealth as only granted to you through the sufferance of the state."
Wha'choo talkin' about?
Wha'choo talkin' about?
Posted by: Willis Clinton at February 08, 2016 12:46 PM (ml1PM)
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Stock design is also key - had a Savage something or other (IIRC - got rid of it long ago) that really didn't agree with me. Angle on the stock channeled recoil in a not-comfortable way.
Had a buddy who's Winchester 30-30 was that way.
My Marlin 336 was much softer.
Had a buddy who's Winchester 30-30 was that way.
My Marlin 336 was much softer.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 08, 2016 12:46 PM (Z1oBf)
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The bluer the city, generally, the fewer the children. For example, the highest percentage of US. women over age 40 without children -- a remarkable 70 percent -- can be found in Washington, D.C. In Manhattan, singles make up half of all households. In some central neighborhoods of major metropolitan areas such as New York, San Francisco, and Seattle, less than 10 percent of the population is made up of children under 18. Perhaps the ultimate primary example of the new child-free city is San Francisco, home now to 80,000 more dogs than children, and where the percentage of children has dropped 40 percent since 1970.
All filled with MASSIVELY unhappy people.
All filled with MASSIVELY unhappy people.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 08, 2016 12:46 PM (659DL)
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I shot a good .22 air rifle this weekend and had a blast.
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at February 08, 2016 12:46 PM (m3Sth)
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358 My Remington 700, though, is worse. The gas system on the Garand softens the blow, of course.
Stock
design is also key - had a Savage something or other (IIRC - got rid of
it long ago) that really didn't agree with me. Angle on the stock
channeled recoil in a not-comfortable way.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at February 08, 2016 12:43 PM (eytER)
Also the Garand is much heavier and that also makes a big difference in the kick.
Stock
design is also key - had a Savage something or other (IIRC - got rid of
it long ago) that really didn't agree with me. Angle on the stock
channeled recoil in a not-comfortable way.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at February 08, 2016 12:43 PM (eytER)
Also the Garand is much heavier and that also makes a big difference in the kick.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 08, 2016 12:47 PM (t2KH5)
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>>But Sweden, Norway....!! I get these same old busted replies. We just haven't done it RIGHT yet.
My biggest gripe with people who throw around Sweden or Norway as an example of anything is that the vast majority of them a) have never been to either place and b) will only talk about the high points while ignoring the inconvenient facts.
Last time I was in Norway, my distributor, who is upper middle class by Norwegian standards, picked me up in his 10 year old Volvo. He had no intention of buying a new car because the various taxes including the VAT made the cost of a new Volvo about what we would pay here for a high end Benz and gas was the equivalent of $10/gallon. And Norway has a network of offshore oil wells that are pumping mega bucks into the Norwegian coffers (while killing baby seals and melting the ice caps).
It costs a shitload of money to be a good socialist drone.
My biggest gripe with people who throw around Sweden or Norway as an example of anything is that the vast majority of them a) have never been to either place and b) will only talk about the high points while ignoring the inconvenient facts.
Last time I was in Norway, my distributor, who is upper middle class by Norwegian standards, picked me up in his 10 year old Volvo. He had no intention of buying a new car because the various taxes including the VAT made the cost of a new Volvo about what we would pay here for a high end Benz and gas was the equivalent of $10/gallon. And Norway has a network of offshore oil wells that are pumping mega bucks into the Norwegian coffers (while killing baby seals and melting the ice caps).
It costs a shitload of money to be a good socialist drone.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 08, 2016 12:47 PM (/tuJf)
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.Oh my god I'm dying here.I can't seem to use Google Voice or the keypad appropriately
Posted by: willow at February 08, 2016 12:48 PM (C25F+)
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The bluer the city, generally, the fewer the children. For example, the highest percentage of US. women over age 40 without children -- a remarkable 70 percent -- can be found in Washington, D.C. In Manhattan, singles make up half of all households. In some central neighborhoods of major metropolitan areas such as New York, San Francisco, and Seattle, less than 10 percent of the population is made up of children under 18. Perhaps the ultimate primary example of the new child-free city is San Francisco, home now to 80,000 more dogs than children, and where the percentage of children has dropped 40 percent since 1970.
Posted by: MTF at February 08, 2016 12:44 PM (TxJGV)
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Makes sense. Single people move to NYC or SF, live there for a while, meet other singles, then if/when they get married, they get the fuck out of the city since it's near impossible to afford to live in the city and have kids.
Posted by: MTF at February 08, 2016 12:44 PM (TxJGV)
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Makes sense. Single people move to NYC or SF, live there for a while, meet other singles, then if/when they get married, they get the fuck out of the city since it's near impossible to afford to live in the city and have kids.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 08, 2016 12:48 PM (0LHZx)
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Start small, caliber-wise, and work up. You might be surprised at how challenging and fun shooting is. And you're learning a potentially very useful skill, too.
Posted by: Weasel at February 08, 2016 12:41 PM (6xtq3)
If you're just starting out, go here:
http://www.budsgunshop.com/
Get this: Marlin 795LTR 22Auto M14 Sling Syn ($197 at Buds)
Then find an Appleseed event:
http://appleseedinfo.org/
Posted by: Weasel at February 08, 2016 12:41 PM (6xtq3)
If you're just starting out, go here:
http://www.budsgunshop.com/
Get this: Marlin 795LTR 22Auto M14 Sling Syn ($197 at Buds)
Then find an Appleseed event:
http://appleseedinfo.org/
Posted by: Country Singer at February 08, 2016 12:49 PM (8Y7+f)
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And Norway has a network of offshore oil wells that are pumping mega bucks into the Norwegian coffers (while killing baby seals and melting the ice caps).
Posted by: JackStraw at February 08, 2016 12:47 PM (/tuJf)
Yeah ... I'm wondering how they're doing, these days. Norway must be coming to grips with some sort of financial squeeze. At the current price of oil I would have to imagine that a lot of their offshore wells are starting to run at a loss.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 08, 2016 12:47 PM (/tuJf)
Yeah ... I'm wondering how they're doing, these days. Norway must be coming to grips with some sort of financial squeeze. At the current price of oil I would have to imagine that a lot of their offshore wells are starting to run at a loss.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 08, 2016 12:49 PM (zc3Db)
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My father had a 58 Ford that he bought new and drove all the way up to the late 70s when some kid rear-ended him at a red light and totaled it. Yes you had to do more routine maintenance on them (pts and plugs etc) but they were not a piece of shit.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 08, 2016 12:45 PM (t2KH5)
... when you could actually work on them, yourself.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 08, 2016 12:45 PM (t2KH5)
... when you could actually work on them, yourself.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at February 08, 2016 12:50 PM (zYV5P)
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380 ... when you could actually work on them, yourself.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at February 08, 2016 12:50 PM (zYV5P)
Yep
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at February 08, 2016 12:50 PM (zYV5P)
Yep
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 08, 2016 12:50 PM (t2KH5)
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My father had a 58 Ford that he bought new and drove all the way up to the late 70s when some kid rear-ended him at a red light and totaled it. Yes you had to do more routine maintenance on them (pts and plugs etc) but they were not a piece of shit.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 08, 2016 12:45 PM (t2KH5)
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The plural of anecdote is not data. Yes I'm sure you will find many people who owned a GM or Ford for 30 years and never broke down. Just like there there are people out there who smoked 3 packs a day for 50 years and weren't sick a day in their lives.
Those are outliers. Generally speaking American cars of the 50s and 60s didn't last very long. They were designed and built to break down quickly, in order to have high churn.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 08, 2016 12:45 PM (t2KH5)
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The plural of anecdote is not data. Yes I'm sure you will find many people who owned a GM or Ford for 30 years and never broke down. Just like there there are people out there who smoked 3 packs a day for 50 years and weren't sick a day in their lives.
Those are outliers. Generally speaking American cars of the 50s and 60s didn't last very long. They were designed and built to break down quickly, in order to have high churn.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 08, 2016 12:50 PM (0LHZx)
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382 The plural of anecdote is not data. Yes I'm sure you
will find many people who owned a GM or Ford for 30 years and never
broke down. Just like there there are people out there who smoked 3
packs a day for 50 years and weren't sick a day in their lives.
Those are outliers. Generally speaking American cars of the 50s and
60s didn't last very long. They were designed and built to break down
quickly, in order to have high churn.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 08, 2016 12:50 PM (0LHZx)
No, the absolute worst years for American cars was the mid to late 70s. They were all a POS then.
will find many people who owned a GM or Ford for 30 years and never
broke down. Just like there there are people out there who smoked 3
packs a day for 50 years and weren't sick a day in their lives.
Those are outliers. Generally speaking American cars of the 50s and
60s didn't last very long. They were designed and built to break down
quickly, in order to have high churn.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 08, 2016 12:50 PM (0LHZx)
No, the absolute worst years for American cars was the mid to late 70s. They were all a POS then.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at February 08, 2016 12:52 PM (t2KH5)
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Nood Art.
Posted by: HH at February 08, 2016 12:52 PM (DrCtv)
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The plural of anecdote is not data.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 08, 2016 12:50 PM (0LHZx)
Actually, the plural of "anecdote" certainly is "data".
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 08, 2016 12:50 PM (0LHZx)
Actually, the plural of "anecdote" certainly is "data".
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 08, 2016 12:52 PM (zc3Db)
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379 And Norway has a network of offshore oil wells that are pumping mega bucks into the Norwegian coffers
...and a mostly homogeneous population the size of Cook County.
Makes things a LOT easier.
...and a mostly homogeneous population the size of Cook County.
Makes things a LOT easier.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at February 08, 2016 12:53 PM (zYV5P)
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JackStraw when I lived in Norway I knew people who bought cars without cigarette lighters because it was cheaper. It was the early '90's and a Cheyenne Suburban cast $120,000.00 equivalent in kroner.
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at February 08, 2016 12:53 PM (m3Sth)
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378 I can recommend Bud's Gun Shop w/o reservation. Or just find a local gun shop that has a helpful sales staff (go at an off-peak time) and inquire about rental guns and new shooter orientation events or ladie's nights as another poster suggested.
Go! JUST GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go! JUST GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Weasel at February 08, 2016 12:53 PM (6xtq3)
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>>Yeah ... I'm wondering how they're doing, these days. Norway must be coming to grips with some sort of financial squeeze. At the current price of oil I would have to imagine that a lot of their offshore wells are starting to run at a loss.
They have to be. Just working in the North Atlantic must add a significant bit to the cost.
Gotta be doing a number of the Russian economy as well.
They have to be. Just working in the North Atlantic must add a significant bit to the cost.
Gotta be doing a number of the Russian economy as well.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 08, 2016 12:53 PM (/tuJf)
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But what was most interesting was the author interviewed actual people from these WV small towns, and one brave lady had the huevos to say, (paraphrased) Walmart closing is bad, but the economic decline began when the president closed the coal mines. That's when we lost jobs, and utility costs went up. Then the rest of the article focused solely on Walmart and it's supreme evilness.
Buried the lede.
Posted by: Moki at February 08, 2016 12:05 PM (7q2ch)
Yes, because even with a coal miner's salary, one has to be frugal with their money and shopping at Walmart was a staple of these areas. When everyone lost their jobs, everyone cut back on shopping , including Walmart. Walmart isn't in the business of charity, so it is forced to close these underperforming stores.
And more jobs are lost.
Liberals cannot for the life of them figure out the starting point or root of problems OR solutions.
Buried the lede.
Posted by: Moki at February 08, 2016 12:05 PM (7q2ch)
Yes, because even with a coal miner's salary, one has to be frugal with their money and shopping at Walmart was a staple of these areas. When everyone lost their jobs, everyone cut back on shopping , including Walmart. Walmart isn't in the business of charity, so it is forced to close these underperforming stores.
And more jobs are lost.
Liberals cannot for the life of them figure out the starting point or root of problems OR solutions.
Posted by: Jen the original at February 08, 2016 12:54 PM (K0Iz7)
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Wait a second. I keep hearing over and over how Walmart moving in destroys towns. So by that logic, when WM moves out, everyone should be thrilled.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 08, 2016 12:55 PM (0LHZx)
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Dave I know that many people do not like Suburbans because Chevy But I've loved all my Suburbans And I've hated my Range Rovers
Posted by: willow at February 08, 2016 12:55 PM (C25F+)
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nd a mostly homogeneous population the size of Cook County.
Makes things a LOT easier.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at February 08, 2016 12:53 PM (zYV5P)
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LOL!! Yeah about that...
Makes things a LOT easier.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at February 08, 2016 12:53 PM (zYV5P)
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LOL!! Yeah about that...
Posted by: Muslims at February 08, 2016 12:56 PM (0LHZx)
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377 Makes sense. Single people move to NYC or SF, live there for a while, meet other singles, then if/when they get married, they get the fuck out of the city since it's near impossible to afford to live in the city and have kids.
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This makes sense, but I think Geraghty's point still stands as a pretty interesting connection between families and Red dominance.
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This makes sense, but I think Geraghty's point still stands as a pretty interesting connection between families and Red dominance.
Posted by: MTF at February 08, 2016 12:56 PM (TxJGV)
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argumentum ad tedium
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 08, 2016 12:45 PM (Z8fuk)
As is the argument that Trump will do conservative things (offered without proof). If you believe I am wrong, you are welcome to offer a counter point of view... hopefully with information to back it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 08, 2016 12:45 PM (Z8fuk)
As is the argument that Trump will do conservative things (offered without proof). If you believe I am wrong, you are welcome to offer a counter point of view... hopefully with information to back it.
Posted by: redbanzai at February 08, 2016 12:57 PM (OrI3J)
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362 I remember when we had an in-class demonstration of economics back in HS. Everybody was given a widget to sell with various levels of cost. The cost of my widget was $1.50. I sold it for $4.00.
My markup factor is 4.3.
So, if I buy it for $1.50, I sell it for $6.45.
My markup factor is 4.3.
So, if I buy it for $1.50, I sell it for $6.45.
Posted by: jwest at February 08, 2016 12:58 PM (Zs4uk)
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>>JackStraw when I lived in Norway I knew people who bought cars without cigarette lighters because it was cheaper. It was the early '90's and a Cheyenne Suburban cast $120,000.00 equivalent in kroner.
Crazy.
Crazy.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 08, 2016 12:58 PM (/tuJf)
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394 377 Makes sense. Single people move to NYC or SF, live there for a while, meet other singles, then if/when they get married, they get the fuck out of the city since it's near impossible to afford to live in the city and have kids.
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This makes sense, but I think Geraghty's point still stands as a pretty interesting connection between families and Red dominance.
Posted by: MTF at February 08, 2016 12:56 PM (TxJGV)
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I interpreted his take on it as some sort of nefarious "evil city dwellers" type of thing where people in cities hate kids or something. Not many 24 year old singles want to live in the exurbs in a 3500 sql ft home and not many 44 year olds with 2 kids want to live in the city in a 600 sq ft studio.
24 year old singles are Democrats, 44 year olds with kids are Republicans. So cities are deep blue, exurbs are deep red. Not sure why anyone is surprised by this.
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This makes sense, but I think Geraghty's point still stands as a pretty interesting connection between families and Red dominance.
Posted by: MTF at February 08, 2016 12:56 PM (TxJGV)
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I interpreted his take on it as some sort of nefarious "evil city dwellers" type of thing where people in cities hate kids or something. Not many 24 year old singles want to live in the exurbs in a 3500 sql ft home and not many 44 year olds with 2 kids want to live in the city in a 600 sq ft studio.
24 year old singles are Democrats, 44 year olds with kids are Republicans. So cities are deep blue, exurbs are deep red. Not sure why anyone is surprised by this.
Posted by: Muslims at February 08, 2016 01:01 PM (0LHZx)
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off sock
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 08, 2016 01:01 PM (0LHZx)
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.I'm going to try this F*** you f*** you f*** you f***. Google Voice..
Well that's interesting and not accurate
Well that's interesting and not accurate
Posted by: willow at February 08, 2016 01:02 PM (C25F+)
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Actually, the plural of "anecdote" certainly is "data".
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 08, 2016 12:52 PM (zc3Db)
To be completely pedantic, the plural of anecdote is either anecdotes or, if you are referring to exactly two anecdotes, anecdota :-P
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 08, 2016 12:52 PM (zc3Db)
To be completely pedantic, the plural of anecdote is either anecdotes or, if you are referring to exactly two anecdotes, anecdota :-P
Posted by: redbanzai at February 08, 2016 01:03 PM (OrI3J)
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Thank you for this Laura...really well written and thought out. Glad it was reposted/bumped, as I missed posting kudos to you on the original post date.
Posted by: billygoat at February 08, 2016 01:04 PM (INxoa)
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" He has no intellectual basis in conservatism and no understanding of why the Constitution is important."
That is just goofy ... you argue with grand proclamations of your owns beliefs as Truth.
Real business itself is operating in a more conservative world than those working in DC. Trump doesn't have the long upbringing in (somewhat) conservative thought that Reagan had (starting with GE at a time when global trade was more advantageous to America, since we had recently destroyed the world's production capacities), but Reagan started deficit spending as policy and that is certainly not conservative.
"America First" is at odds with the globalist kingmaker agenda. Securing the borders for real is an essential first step that the Rubio style establishment will strongly resist. Trump should hint at Cruz making a good Supreme Court justice, and the need to get constitutionalists there. But he is campaigning partly to win the moderate, not be a "flaming conservative".
Borders and Trade are highest priorities, Trump has other conservative tendencies that align with those basic ones.
That is just goofy ... you argue with grand proclamations of your owns beliefs as Truth.
Real business itself is operating in a more conservative world than those working in DC. Trump doesn't have the long upbringing in (somewhat) conservative thought that Reagan had (starting with GE at a time when global trade was more advantageous to America, since we had recently destroyed the world's production capacities), but Reagan started deficit spending as policy and that is certainly not conservative.
"America First" is at odds with the globalist kingmaker agenda. Securing the borders for real is an essential first step that the Rubio style establishment will strongly resist. Trump should hint at Cruz making a good Supreme Court justice, and the need to get constitutionalists there. But he is campaigning partly to win the moderate, not be a "flaming conservative".
Borders and Trade are highest priorities, Trump has other conservative tendencies that align with those basic ones.
Posted by: Illiniwek at February 08, 2016 01:10 PM (5Gpe2)
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I keep hearing about how our kids will be enslaved. That's crazy. Nobody is even proposing reducing the increase in our indebtedness. Instead, the whole thing collapses. It's the only way
Posted by: KK at February 08, 2016 01:37 PM (3Puy0)
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Laura,
Once the liberals got the schools, they won the game. We cannot "give our side of the story," because there is no place to give it.
What, you think liberals come here?
I used to poke my thumb in the eye of liberals over at HuffPo, but like all other liberal sites they turned anonymous commenting off. They built the world's best echo-chamber - why would they want to allow people like me to come into it?
Are we screwed? Yeah, probably.
But there *are* a few paths forward that might yield some positive results. #1, IMHO, is the Constitutional Convention that our friends in TX just mentioned. This is the kind of thing that could, rightfully, be sold to the ignorant children that we have raised. It's new, and exciting, and we'd probably have Social Media for it and all kinds of shiny things.
To say "we have to trick them," provides an assumption that they are actually thinking people, which is demonstrably false. It's not a question of "tricking" them - it's a question of steering them. We need to find a way, outside of schools (which they own) and the MSM (ditto) to steer them towards something new and shiny.
And, oh yeah, good for them too.
Otherwise... yeah, we're screwed. When the debt finally comes due to this generation of imbeciles, how are they going to handle it? All they know is TAX THE RICH and other such drivel. If we don't fix this, now, then there is no way that they will, when the time comes.
They're simply not equipped for it.
Once the liberals got the schools, they won the game. We cannot "give our side of the story," because there is no place to give it.
What, you think liberals come here?
I used to poke my thumb in the eye of liberals over at HuffPo, but like all other liberal sites they turned anonymous commenting off. They built the world's best echo-chamber - why would they want to allow people like me to come into it?
Are we screwed? Yeah, probably.
But there *are* a few paths forward that might yield some positive results. #1, IMHO, is the Constitutional Convention that our friends in TX just mentioned. This is the kind of thing that could, rightfully, be sold to the ignorant children that we have raised. It's new, and exciting, and we'd probably have Social Media for it and all kinds of shiny things.
To say "we have to trick them," provides an assumption that they are actually thinking people, which is demonstrably false. It's not a question of "tricking" them - it's a question of steering them. We need to find a way, outside of schools (which they own) and the MSM (ditto) to steer them towards something new and shiny.
And, oh yeah, good for them too.
Otherwise... yeah, we're screwed. When the debt finally comes due to this generation of imbeciles, how are they going to handle it? All they know is TAX THE RICH and other such drivel. If we don't fix this, now, then there is no way that they will, when the time comes.
They're simply not equipped for it.
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