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Jeb Bush: Maybe Marco Rubio's Many Noisy, Noisy Fans Should Put a Sock In It And Let Their Goldenboy Stand On His Own Two Feet, If He Can Manage That Trick
Great post by Allah. What's going on is that Marco fans, and boy, does he have a lot of them in the right media, are demanding that all of Marco Rubio's rivals lay their bodies down upon the ground so that Marco can walk upon their backs without getting his high Cuban heels muddied. People I quite like are seriously going out of their minds -- John McCormack is claiming it's a low blow for Chris Christie to inform voters about Marco Rubio's actual position on rape in cases of abortion. Rubio takes the Akin position, which we were all informed four years ago was a position that rendered a candidate unelectable. (As it turns out, they were right.) Does John McCormack not think Hillary already knows about that, and is planning on bringing it up in September? Is there some reason Republicans ought not to now about this before they make their choice in candidate? Others argue that Jeb should stop running ads against Rubio because, I don't know. It's time to train those ads on Rubio's other opponents, like Trump. Because, of course, this is what's in Marco Rubio's best interest. I imagine these folks are also down on Christie and Jeb both running ads about Marco-endorser Rick Santorum being utterly flummoxed when asked to name a single accomplishment of Marco Rubio. Yes, I do know the one -- he inserted a poison-pill into Obamacare's funding mechanism reducing Obama's ability to use risk corridor bailouts as a slushfund to save his failing program. Gets pretty thin after that -- and yet Ted Cruz's alleged lack of tangible accomplishments is put forth as a reason to rule him out as unelectable. Cruz did zero things, Rubio did one thing. I guess this big difference of one vs. zero is as important as the one percentage point gap between Cruz's and Rubio's lead over Hillary Clinton. Per Real Clear Politics, Rubio leads Hilary by an average of 2.5%, and Cruz leads her by 1.3% -- and out of this 1.2% difference, Marco's Minions line up to swear upon the Bibles of Four Different Religions that Marco is electable and Cruz is not. Ramesh Ponnuru responds that if Rubio is as strong a candidate as all the more establishment-aligned right media think, he should be able to weather these criticisms and respond to them effectively. Right? Right? This is an example of the thing I was so bothered about in the podcast. It's not that I don't think this class of people should not make their opinions known. Obviously, they have that right. But this class has a way outsized voice in these matters. They're actually barking orders at Marco Rubio's rivals to roll over for him -- and their demands will actually get a serious hearing among Christie's and Jeb's campaign staffs (given that they want to work for other people in the establishment after their candidates lose). This is a terrible, terrible impulse. They're so keen on Marco Rubio they're demanding the process be short-circuited in his favor -- thus making this all look like another slimy scheme cooked up in some back room, foisted on people, yet again, over their loud protests. Perhaps Marco Rubio can actually win over a majority of Republicans, and not merely a 20% minority with a greatly, greatly outsized influence on the Party. Perhaps he cannot. But I sure would like to see Marco Rubio try to actually assemble this 50% majority, rather than have the 20% who have been with him since before he even announced for president pressuring everyone to let The New Bambi win without any kind of a contest. Second Look at Ramesh Ponnuru: Ponnuru wants to know why it is that Rubio's supporters are forever calling for Rubio's rivals to use all their money to attack Trump, and yet Rubio himself never does. It's f***ing bizarre. Rubio really is the Republican Obama -- his fans are just as cultish.Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: L, Elle at February 05, 2016 06:48 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: L, Elle at February 05, 2016 06:49 PM (2x3L+)
This is the problem with having a political class.
Christie's and Jeb's staffers are so desperate to remain a part of the political class that they will suck Rubio's cock, scuttle their own campaigns and deny the electorate the opportunity to actually CHOOSE a candidate.
Because the candidate has been chosen for them, and they'll bend over, take it, and pretend to like it.
All to maintain the staffers' standing invites on the cocktail circuit.
This is why TRUMP! is a thing. Fuck you. War.
And first.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at February 05, 2016 06:50 PM (cv6Ng)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 05, 2016 06:50 PM (DUoqb)
Only not jailed just retired far far away
Posted by: Skip at February 05, 2016 06:51 PM (HWcaz)
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at February 05, 2016 06:52 PM (Cq0oW)
And now he's telling me that he's against amnesty again.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 05, 2016 06:52 PM (oVJmc)
And I'm the empty suit telling you that.
Posted by: Jeb Bush at February 05, 2016 06:52 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 05, 2016 06:52 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: wth at February 05, 2016 06:53 PM (HgMAr)
Posted by: Skip at February 05, 2016 06:53 PM (HWcaz)
One... amnesty... which he has lied about consistently...
Two... he has never done a damn thing in his adult life, EXCEPT be a Legislator.... never run a damn thing except a campaign.... and we have a current example in the White House of how THAT works out (not even Policy, but an out of control Federal Government).
Posted by: Don Quixote at February 05, 2016 06:53 PM (f7rv6)
Other than that, I'm not sure what else Cuba has to offer.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 05, 2016 06:53 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at February 05, 2016 06:53 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Angry Marco at February 05, 2016 06:53 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: ChocoCheese at February 05, 2016 06:54 PM (OvUux)
was a position that rendered a candidate unelectable. (As it turns out,
they were right.)"
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Nonsense. It's not the position that is discredited, it's the fact that Akin doesn't know jack squat about why he claimed it was his position.
No doubt causing damage to the pro-life position, but any/all rape exception positions are just pro-abortion positions. They simply move the line further in.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 05, 2016 06:54 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 05, 2016 06:50 PM (DUoqb)
Philistine.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 05, 2016 06:54 PM (kpqmD)
Posted by: tommylotto at February 05, 2016 06:54 PM (4Kwb9)
Posted by: Nevergiveup
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And Cuban food hates you.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at February 05, 2016 06:53 PM (hVdx9)
You think being next to hillary in a crapper stahl is bad, well.........
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 05, 2016 06:55 PM (DUoqb)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 05, 2016 06:55 PM (rwI+c)
I've said it before, and I'll say it again...
The GOP must go full Brazilian: NO BUSH
Posted by: The Brazilian Hat at February 05, 2016 06:55 PM (vBeA5)
Other than that, I'm not sure what else Cuba has to offer.
Posted by: L, Elle
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Once upon a time Cuba had much to offer. Then Castro and his fellow tyrants looted the island.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at February 05, 2016 06:55 PM (hVdx9)
No more Bushes, no more Clintons. Under any circumstances. It helps that the guy is limp and pathetic as only a beta male can be.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at February 05, 2016 06:55 PM (a5HYV)
Posted by: K-E at February 05, 2016 06:55 PM (3mSJj)
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You challenging my integrity me? I did.
I didn't like doing it bc of how many times I got willowed, but I did.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 05, 2016 06:56 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: wth at February 05, 2016 06:56 PM (HgMAr)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 05, 2016 06:56 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: I'm using the chicken to measure it at February 05, 2016 06:56 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 05, 2016 06:56 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 05, 2016 06:56 PM (rwI+c)
What a load of chaotic shit. The reason it's such a confused mess is the deranged, criminally-insane sociopathy of absolutely everyone involved in it. Maybe this is what the end of the world as we know it looks like.
I'm thinking of moving to some Latin American country for my retirement. The governments down there are probably less corrupt.
Posted by: OregonMuse at February 05, 2016 06:57 PM (Wp9Nt)
Posted by: Ted Cruz's flapping head at February 05, 2016 06:57 PM (zmW4B)
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at February 05, 2016 06:57 PM (1RNgT)
Posted by: Nevergiveup
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So Cuban food + NGU = violation of the Geneva Convention on biological warfare
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at February 05, 2016 06:58 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Ricky Ricardo at February 05, 2016 06:58 PM (3GFMN)
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Patched together '54 Chevy Frankencars
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 05, 2016 06:58 PM (oFSUK)
Posted by: Skip at February 05, 2016 06:58 PM (HWcaz)
Second look at Moo Moo?
Posted by: OregonMuse at February 05, 2016 06:58 PM (Wp9Nt)
Posted by: L, Elle at February 05, 2016 06:53 PM (2x3L+)
Cubans are massively overrated IMO. When Fidel and Che turned up, all the growers with the means to grabbed their seeds and cash and bounced to Nicaragua, Dominican Republic, and similar locales. There's some good smokes coming from those places these days
Posted by: Van Secundus at February 05, 2016 06:58 PM (Q8+GA)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 05, 2016 06:58 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Eromero at February 05, 2016 06:58 PM (zLDYs)
Posted by: L, Elle at February 05, 2016 06:58 PM (2x3L+)
If I now vote for him anyway, the message am I sending the establishment is that they can continue to sell out conservatives in any way the want, and in the end they can count on us voting for the Republican when they appeal to our patriotism and beg us not to turn the country over to the (even worse) Democrats. I can't do it anymore.
Posted by: dijohnston at February 05, 2016 06:59 PM (EnPq0)
Posted by: Van Secundus at February 05, 2016 06:59 PM (Q8+GA)
Posted by: OregonMuse at February 05, 2016 06:57 PM (Wp9Nt)
More reliable anyway. They're probably more likely to stay bought.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 05, 2016 06:59 PM (kpqmD)
He's my senator and I'm ashamed to say I voted for him. That he'd betray me and my country by even suggesting amnesty for illegals pisses me off no end.
The DC mafia evidently got to him.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 05, 2016 06:59 PM (LUgeY)
Just think: One of these losers, nobodies, criminals, or communists is going to end up leading us through the Burning Times. Yay.
Posted by: rickl at February 05, 2016 06:59 PM (sdi6R)
Ted Cruz inserting a poison pill into Gang of 8 amnesty = no accomplishment.
Is that about right?
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at February 05, 2016 07:00 PM (zmW4B)
Through? Into, maybe. Only the Humongus can lead us through.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 05, 2016 07:00 PM (rwI+c)
It's amazing how fast things change day to day. Fear not though every little ting gonna be alright.
Posted by: freaked at February 05, 2016 07:00 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: A.G. at February 05, 2016 07:01 PM (DnQNa)
I like Jeb. I get his deadpan jokes at his own expense and find it immensely likable. Two problems
1) All the usual K Street pigs are just waiting to take another turn at the trough. They've been there for 30 years now. Fuck them.
2) So tired of defending Bushes. Jeb spends no political capital looking out for me, but I'm supposed to saddle up again for him?
Posted by: spongeworthy at February 05, 2016 07:01 PM (xB4nF)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DatCiaEUDs
Posted by: ChocoCheese at February 05, 2016 07:01 PM (OvUux)
Sigh.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 05, 2016 06:58 PM (2x3L+)
I understand those who wish to leave the litmus test social issues at the top of their concerns, but the reality is, those fights are all over. I understand not liking a guy for not believing what you do, but I don't understand not voting for him for those reasons.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 05, 2016 07:01 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: buzzion at February 05, 2016 07:01 PM (zt+N6)
Posted by: Skip at February 05, 2016 07:01 PM (HWcaz)
Trumptards are like those radio ads for gold coins. Every conceivable event is the perfect rationale to BUY NOW!!
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at February 05, 2016 07:01 PM (1RNgT)
Posted by: La Senorita at February 05, 2016 07:01 PM (3GFMN)
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 05, 2016 07:02 PM (dvuhZ)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 05, 2016 07:02 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: freaked at February 05, 2016 07:00 PM (BO/km)
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I'm not afraid. The only emotion that grips me is dread. I dread what comes next and I don't want to have to deal with it.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 05, 2016 07:02 PM (2x3L+)
That IS a salient point. Our most experienced candidates are the governors, whatever we think of how that experience manifested itself.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 05, 2016 07:02 PM (oFSUK)
From the sidebar Kaus piece, he grabbed this quote:
"We have a better chance of discovering time travel than getting Rubio-Ryan to take up immigration-reduction bill," one Senate immigration advisor told me.
Really, read the Kaus piece. There's lots more in this vein. If you want amnesty, Rubio is your man.
Posted by: GnuBreed at February 05, 2016 07:03 PM (gyKtp)
Posted by: Ike Broflovski at February 05, 2016 07:03 PM (HgMAr)
The guidelines were in response to the report Tuesday by Dallas health officials that a local resident was infected with Zika by having sex with someone whod contracted the disease while traveling in Venezuela one of the many countries in South America, Central America and the Caribbean where the virus is spreading explosively.
Don't ya just love the 3rd world?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 05, 2016 07:03 PM (DUoqb)
Posted by: Marco Polo at February 05, 2016 07:03 PM (3GFMN)
Posted by: L, Elle
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All that you will feel is a little prick.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 05, 2016 07:03 PM (oFSUK)
Posted by: ChocoCheese at February 05, 2016 07:03 PM (OvUux)
Posted by: A.G. at February 05, 2016 07:04 PM (DnQNa)
Is that about right?
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at February 05, 2016 07:00 PM (zmW4B)<<<
Ted Cruz wants to insert poison into immigrants!!!!!
Posted by: GOP-raetorian Guard media at February 05, 2016 07:04 PM (H9MG5)
I always liked Ricky Ricardo.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 05, 2016 07:04 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 05, 2016 07:04 PM (oVJmc)
I like Cruz because he's willing to do what he thinks is right - even if that's unpopular.
I like Cruz because so many of his fellow Republicans fear and hate him. (See above)
I like Cruz for the way he handled the head of the Sierra Club.
I like Cruz because the NYT thinks he's not a "real" Hispanic.
Posted by: Randy Westerfeld at February 05, 2016 07:04 PM (zp6Kj)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
Wouldn't be the first time.
Posted by: Reggie Love at February 05, 2016 07:04 PM (zmW4B)
Posted by: Ike Broflovski at February 05, 2016 07:04 PM (HgMAr)
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I'm not afraid. The only emotion that grips me is dread.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 05, 2016 07:02 PM (2x3L+)
Aren't fear and dread more or less synonymous?
Posted by: rickl at February 05, 2016 07:05 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Marco Rubio at February 05, 2016 07:05 PM (3GFMN)
Those would be Methodism, Catholicism, Country-Club Republicanism, and Cronyism.
Posted by: Baron Bon Mot at February 05, 2016 07:05 PM (J3UIw)
Here in Commiefornia, we had the plastic Austrian android, Ahnuld der Schtuppenfuhrer, run for the Governor's office as a Republican, and win. He promised to "shake up Sacramento". I contrariwise predicted he would be virtually indistinguishable from a Democrat policywise, and would shake only the hopes of those he had gulled, and that turned out to be 100% correct. Right down to a ton of "green" ecoholic nonsense, and a facially unconstitutional ammo buying ba.
What was the tell? Ahnuld's personnel picks. Career liberal Democratic hacks and ward-heelers all the way down the line. Not a single genuine conservative Republican in sight.
So what does the all-seeing, all-knowing staff pick-o-meter tell us about Rubio? Nothing good. A metric shit-ton of bad. Rubio's chief of staff is Cesar Conda. An "immigration attorney" and longtime stealth amnesty shill, who has been doing a lot of energetic papering over of his previous record on Twitter and elsewhere. The guy even used to work for George Soros, for crying out loud.
No. None of this is even remotely acceptable. No to Rubio.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 05, 2016 07:05 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Fritz at February 05, 2016 07:06 PM (BngQR)
But seriously take a look at the legislation he sponsored or co-sponsored. For a first term a Senator who had no cooperation , he kept Congress on their toes.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 05, 2016 07:06 PM (MNgU2)
Nope. Banish all thoughts of reviving a role for this loser family. His father was a one termer for a good reason, and his brother was a twit (surge aside).
Posted by: MTF at February 05, 2016 07:06 PM (TxJGV)
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Yeah, BurtTC. I'm still willing to vote for Trump, but I really
am starting to hate the idea of it. Pro-life was my #1 issue and then the gay marriage stuff started up.
I'm settling. I hate it.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 05, 2016 07:06 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: freaked at February 05, 2016 07:07 PM (BO/km)
ahhh.... come on.... we also got Kennedy.... you know that guy who.. crap.. got us into Viet Nam...
Posted by: Don Quixote at February 05, 2016 07:07 PM (f7rv6)
Posted by: Sonia Sotomayor at February 05, 2016 07:07 PM (3GFMN)
Posted by: MTF at February 05, 2016 07:08 PM (TxJGV)
pressuring everyone to let The New Bambi win without any kind of a contest.
This is the kind of contest I want to see The New Bambi in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-wUdetAAlY
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 05, 2016 07:08 PM (o98Jz)
SECOND LOOK AT JEB BUSH?
...............
Sure. OK well, he's still the pudgy dweeb career politician he always was.
Posted by: Ike Broflovski at February 05, 2016 07:08 PM (HgMAr)
Posted by: The Littlest Mermaid at February 05, 2016 07:08 PM (3GFMN)
Posted by: rickl
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* flips open the Hammer Dictionary*
Says here, 'Fear deals with the unknown and/or unknowable, Dread has to do with metaphysical certainty'
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 05, 2016 07:09 PM (oFSUK)
Posted by: MTF at February 05, 2016 07:08 PM (TxJGV)
Yup
Posted by: Al Gore at February 05, 2016 07:09 PM (zt+N6)
am starting to hate the idea of it. Pro-life was my #1 issue and then the gay marriage stuff started up.
I'm settling. I hate it.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 05, 2016 07:06 PM (2x3L+)
The only way I can wrap my head around it is that if Trump could be nominated he would cause all sorts of a disruption to the normal ebb and flow of Washington. That can't be a bad thing.
As to how he would govern, as President? I would imagine quite badly.
I might still vote for him, if it comes to that.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 05, 2016 07:09 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: freaked at February 05, 2016 07:09 PM (BO/km)
Full Disclosure: I'm voting for Cruz.
Posted by: Naes at February 05, 2016 07:09 PM (Ypc8j)
93 88 Marco is the Veep if he isn't the nominee (please lord). Florida is too damn important, and (while Floridians here don't like him) a favorite son always plays well.
Posted by: MTF at February 05, 2016 07:08 PM (TxJGV)
Yup
Posted by: Al Gore at February 05, 2016 07:09 PM (zt+N6)
Totally.
Posted by: Paul Ryan at February 05, 2016 07:09 PM (zt+N6)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero)
****
I always liked Lucy, but my Cuban/Irish lineage demands that I have a thing for female redheads.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at February 05, 2016 07:09 PM (hVdx9)
83 SECOND LOOK AT JEB BUSH?
Nope. Banish all thoughts of reviving a role for this loser family. His father was a one termer for a good reason, and his brother was a twit (surge aside).
Posted by: MTF at February 05, 2016 07:06 PM (TxJGV)
Jebster has his MOM and BROTHER now doing campaign stuff for him....in an anger against the establishment election....
/facepalm
Posted by: Don Quixote at February 05, 2016 07:10 PM (f7rv6)
Posted by: Hillary at February 05, 2016 07:10 PM (RQFUE)
If I now vote for him anyway, the message am I sending the establishment is that they can continue to sell out conservatives in any way the want, and in the end they can count on us voting for the Republican when they appeal to our patriotism and beg us not to turn the country over to the (even worse) Democrats. I can't do it anymore.
Posted by: dijohnston at February 05, 2016 06:59 PM (EnPq0)
Me either.
Posted by: rickl at February 05, 2016 07:10 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: The Outrageous DJT at February 05, 2016 07:11 PM (oVJmc)
"Social issues" aren't that big to me much anymore.
It's like years ago when one of my paternal uncles collapsed on a job site. It was his heart -- blockage and all that. But, when they got him in the hospital they noticed a big mole. It was melanoma.
They basically said, we'll worry about your heart later (once they got him stabilized), this melanoma is what we've got to worry about now.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 05, 2016 07:11 PM (dvuhZ)
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you're going to get Ace posting ABBA video again
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at February 05, 2016 07:12 PM (Cq0oW)
If a First World country admits tens of millions of illiterate, low-skilled Third World peasants, with Third World peasant political attitudes (socialismo o muerte! si se puede!), and if that First World country then is pulled down in economic and social performance to where it becomes a Second World nation, those who came from the Third World are still, ceteris paribus, better off than if they'd stayed home. Still a step up for them.
The original inhabitants of the First World country, on the other hand, end up saddled with a permanent reduction in their standard and quality of living.
This is stuff that should not even have to be explained, but apparently that is required. And it's apparently not sinking in at all for the Rubio backers.
Or, the Rubio backers are the ones who figure that for a small elite of connected cronies, life at the top of the heap even in a Second World country can still be smooth and pretty.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 05, 2016 07:12 PM (noWW6)
I can never support him as long as that is so. It won't stop income tax or burdensome pass-through taxes. We'll get all the taxes. Not "fair tax." And it will be the federal government watching your every move and coming to collect.
NOPE NOPE NOPE.
I really don't have anyone to vote for. I am cast adrift.
Posted by: sarahw at February 05, 2016 07:12 PM (3fTXW)
Posted by: rickl at February 05, 2016 07:05 PM (sdi6R)
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Yeah, probably, rickl. Two sides of the same coin or whatever that expression is. Fear leads to paralysis and cowardice and rash judgement. Dread is just being forced to wait for the bad stuff to come down and then having to deal with it. I can do the latter. I have no choice. It's being forced on me. I just don't like it.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 05, 2016 07:12 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: L, Elle
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I just had a conversation with a certified redneck. He is miserable, afraid that he may have to vote for Teh Donald in a Hillary/Trump race. The guy is crude, but insightful, he knows reactionary bluster when he sees it.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 05, 2016 07:13 PM (oFSUK)
I do not always run for el presidente, but when I do I like to have my fanboys behind me.
Posted by: Marco Rubio
....................
You should tell them to quit grabbing your ears, maybe they won't lay so flat.
Posted by: wth at February 05, 2016 07:13 PM (HgMAr)
Marco would make a great veep choice as it would lock up the dumb ass vote in Florida like MTF said that's if Trump doesn't deport him first.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 05, 2016 07:13 PM (ej1L0)
Posted by: The Outrageous DJT at February 05, 2016 07:11 PM (oVJmc)
In a related story, the NFL announced today plans for a game between the Texans and the Raiders in Mexico City next year.
I'm reading that sentence, and my mind is getting so damn twisted in knots, I can't begin to contemplate the suck contained therein.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 05, 2016 07:13 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 05, 2016 07:13 PM (wYnyS)
Posted by: scorecard at February 05, 2016 07:13 PM (kk/oj)
Silky Pony 2. The John Edwards of the Republican Party.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 05, 2016 07:14 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Barbara Bush at February 05, 2016 07:14 PM (3GFMN)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale
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Heh.
Posted by: Henna at February 05, 2016 07:15 PM (oFSUK)
Or, the Rubio backers are the ones who figure that for a small elite
of connected cronies, life at the top of the heap even in a Second
World country can still be smooth and pretty.
Mexico looks good to them. They're sure they'll be the privileged families.
Posted by: The Outrageous DJT at February 05, 2016 07:15 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Bernie 2016 at February 05, 2016 07:15 PM (oEtsZ)
for a small elite of connected cronies, life at the top of the heap even
in a Second World country can still be smooth and pretty.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 05, 2016 07:12 PM (noWW6)
That usually works for the elites for quite a long time until all at once it doesn't!
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 05, 2016 07:16 PM (wYnyS)
Posted by: Fidel Castro at February 05, 2016 07:16 PM (3GFMN)
Posted by: Weasel at February 05, 2016 07:16 PM (e3bId)
Posted by: Skip at February 05, 2016 07:01 PM (HWcaz
Then what was his getting trolled by Gillibrand?
Posted by: buzzion at February 05, 2016 07:16 PM (zt+N6)
Posted by: torquewrench
Silky Pony 2: Electorate Boogaloo! Coming to theaters November 2016.
Posted by: Cannon Films at February 05, 2016 07:16 PM (zmW4B)
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Coming soon, Havana !
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 05, 2016 07:16 PM (oFSUK)
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It is impossible for a patriotic American to support a guy who doesn't support American sovereignty.
Still sad that it needs to be said.
But anyway, good luck with that plan.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 05, 2016 07:16 PM (ZbV+0)
Especially since I suspect that Chuckie Schumer is sitting in a corner somewhere chuckling to himself and dry washing his hands in a fair imitation of Shylock, thinking of all the stuff he could get away with if Marco (Polo) is in the WH.
Why after all the talk about how liberal and underhanded Trump will be are there people who are willing to ignore an actual stabber in the back?
Depending on his VP, I'm voting for Bernie. (the VP is important because, well, you know)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All That at February 05, 2016 07:16 PM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at February 05, 2016 07:16 PM (hVdx9)
Just asking for a friend... ok me, i'm missing DOOM and Gaming thread badly.
Posted by: cajun caret at February 05, 2016 07:17 PM (++b9A)
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i agree. he talks real purty.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at February 05, 2016 07:17 PM (Cq0oW)
Posted by: Jeb! Bush at February 05, 2016 07:17 PM (3GFMN)
Posted by: Columba at February 05, 2016 07:17 PM (HgMAr)
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Jesus returns to celebrate this Easter?
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 05, 2016 07:17 PM (ZbV+0)
Lindy Booth.
That is all.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 05, 2016 07:18 PM (LUgeY)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 05, 2016 07:18 PM (oVJmc)
collapsed on a job site. It was his heart -- blockage and all that. But,
when they got him in the hospital they noticed a big mole. It was
melanoma.
They basically said, we'll worry about your heart
later (once they got him stabilized), this melanoma is what we've got to
worry about now.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 05, 2016 07:11 PM (dvuhZ)
That's a good analogy. I knew a guy, going in for a routine cardiac catheter. He was all worried about it. They found cancer. Everywhere.
Needless to say, the heart blockage was no longer anyone's concern. I would like to say it ended well, but you know it didn't.
This is what distresses me most of all. I don't care how socially liberal Trump is. Don't. Care. The cancer is spreading, and may be unstoppable. He says he's at least willing to try though.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 05, 2016 07:18 PM (TOk1P)
I hope you guys are using your time wisely - there are the good ol' days.
Posted by: Weasel at February 05, 2016 07:19 PM (e3bId)
Posted by: Hillary at February 05, 2016 07:19 PM (RQFUE)
Posted by: A crowd of Millenials at February 05, 2016 07:19 PM (gyKtp)
I'm reading that sentence, and my mind is getting so damn twisted in knots, I can't begin to contemplate the suck contained therein.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 05, 2016 07:13 PM (TOk1P)
Do you think the Mexican's will refrain from shouting "Osama" during the game? Are they as enlightened as European soccer fans? Do they throw bananas at black athletes like in Europe?
Posted by: buzzion at February 05, 2016 07:19 PM (zt+N6)
Stalag 17 (1953) with William Holden is on
Posted by: Skip at February 05, 2016 07:20 PM (HWcaz)
Posted by: gretta stands for truth at February 05, 2016 07:20 PM (3MNCs)
Arguing seven (?) cases before the Supreme Court is something.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at February 05, 2016 07:20 PM (1xUj/)
Can anyone, anyone at all, think of any conceivable scenario in which we are not well and truly fucked?
Posted by: Weasel at February 05, 2016 07:16 PM (e3bId)
.........................
SMOD: for a quicker death.
Posted by: wth at February 05, 2016 07:20 PM (HgMAr)
>>>>17 "Rubio takes the Akin position, which we were all informed four years ago was a position that rendered a candidate unelectable. (As it turns out, they were right.)"
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Nonsense.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 05, 2016 06:54 PM (TOk1P)
Akins problem was that he said idiotic unscientific things not his position. Rubios position is the logical one, it is not the babies fault what the father did. The except in cases of rape thing is a political compromise.
Posted by: Lea at February 05, 2016 07:20 PM (vmMMi)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 05, 2016 07:13 PM (ej1L0)
You just try it, Hairyback Guy, and I will cut your balls off and feed them to my gerbils.
Posted by: Columba Bush at February 05, 2016 07:20 PM (3GFMN)
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Jesus returns to celebrate this Easter?
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 05, 2016 07:17 PM (ZbV+0)
Our currency isn't near as inflated as the rest of the worlds?
Posted by: cajun caret at February 05, 2016 07:20 PM (++b9A)
i'm missing DOOM and Gaming thread badly.
Posted by: cajun caret at February 05, 2016 07:17 PM (++b9A)
This is a good semblance of a DOOM thread. All that's missing is the logo.
Just find a DOOM thread, print out the logo, and tape it to the top of your screen. There. Done.
Posted by: rickl at February 05, 2016 07:21 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Darth Randall at February 05, 2016 07:21 PM (6n332)
His wife, my poor aunt, had been taking care of him for all those years. Once he died, she went downhill fast herself. Dementia and all that.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 05, 2016 07:21 PM (dvuhZ)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 05, 2016 07:21 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: mnw (rare and flounced) at February 05, 2016 07:21 PM (vU4+z)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 05, 2016 07:21 PM (MNgU2)
That is all.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy
****
Thanks. She's not bad. I'd only have sex with her, 3 or 4...dozen times...in a week...
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at February 05, 2016 07:21 PM (hVdx9)
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Coming soon, Havana !
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 05, 2016 07:16 PM (oFSUK)
Ten years from now, Super Bowl LX, between the Havana Mind If We Dance Wiff Yore Dates vs. Mexico City We're Eating Up All Your Healthcare Amigos.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 05, 2016 07:21 PM (TOk1P)
Just asking for a friend... ok me, i'm missing DOOM and Gaming thread badly.
Posted by: cajun caret at February 05, 2016 07:17 PM (++b9A)
The Dude Gaming Thread: "All these games coming out suck ass except for the borderline porny anime Japanese game that you will never play which I think is awesome."
There's your missing gaming thread.
Posted by: buzzion at February 05, 2016 07:22 PM (zt+N6)
Posted by: $18,996,686,873,180.04 at February 05, 2016 07:22 PM (rwI+c)
Over 2,000 soles were lost!
Posted by: andycanuck at February 05, 2016 07:22 PM (WOyz5)
Yours?
Posted by: mnw (rare and flounced) at February 05, 2016 07:21 PM (vU4+z)
Sounds good!
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 05, 2016 07:23 PM (wYnyS)
Posted by: t-bird at February 05, 2016 07:23 PM (RrDm2)
Posted by: gretta stands for truth at February 05, 2016 07:23 PM (3MNCs)
Seems like all the candidates who had no appeal to the voters endorse Rubio.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 05, 2016 07:23 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Skip at February 05, 2016 07:24 PM (HWcaz)
Posted by: buzzion at February 05, 2016 07:24 PM (zt+N6)
Posted by: Bernie 2016 at February 05, 2016 07:15 PM (oEtsZ)
*swoon*
Posted by: A crowd of Millenials
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One imagines Bernie throwing his soiled underwear into the crowd, and a feeding frenzy erupting as they all tear at it to obtain a bit.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 05, 2016 07:24 PM (oFSUK)
Exactly what has Trump done for you or anyone?
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 05, 2016 07:24 PM (MNgU2)
Cruz did zero things, Rubio did one thing.
Arguing seven (?) cases before the Supreme Court is something.
Clerking for the William Rehnquist is something.
Posted by: Naes at February 05, 2016 07:24 PM (Ypc8j)
Rubio is polling at only 11% in FL perhaps because of his Gang of 8 betrayal. He'd be a liability in FL
Trump would win FL in the general. Nice test is if he can kill in Ohio primary especially if Kasicb is still in it
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 05, 2016 07:24 PM (w6obM)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 05, 2016 07:24 PM (oVJmc)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/zpt8q29
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at February 05, 2016 07:24 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: BurtTC
The Tijuana All Your Country Are Belong To Us were cheated. They should have been the Social Justice Conference champs.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at February 05, 2016 07:24 PM (zmW4B)
Over 2,000 soles were lost!
Posted by: andycanuck at February 05, 2016 07:22 PM (WOyz5)<<<
**claps**
Nailed it!
Posted by: a Cuban cobbler at February 05, 2016 07:24 PM (H9MG5)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel
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Nothing quite so powerful as an endorsement from Lindsey Graham.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 05, 2016 07:25 PM (oFSUK)
And if that useful purpose is to take Marco Rubio out of the race by exposing him as bad candidate, thereby reducing the viable field down to just Cruz and Trump, so Cruz can deliver a one-on-one West Texas ass-kicking to Trump and win the nomination... hell, I might even be prevailed upon to write a check to Bush's campaign.
Well, okay, that's going a little far, but I think you get my point.
Posted by: Qoheleth at February 05, 2016 07:25 PM (iIzG7)
Seems like all the candidates who had no appeal to the voters endorse Rubio.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 05, 2016 07:23 PM (oVJmc)
Something of a plan, all along. 1+1+2+2+5+15 = Ruby Oh! wins!
Posted by: BurtTC at February 05, 2016 07:25 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Darth Randall at February 05, 2016 07:21 PM
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Wtf? First Santorum and now Jindall. I guess they're both stupid and easily conned.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 05, 2016 07:26 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at February 05, 2016 07:26 PM (Cq0oW)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 05, 2016 07:26 PM (/1Auz)
Over 2,000 soles were lost!
Posted by: Amy Schumer at February 05, 2016 07:26 PM (zt+N6)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 05, 2016 07:26 PM (rwI+c)
I shat myself.
Posted by: Bernie 2016 at February 05, 2016 07:15 PM (oEtsZ)
*swoon*
Posted by: A crowd of Millenials
......................
Next time, aim for the police car.
Posted by: wth at February 05, 2016 07:26 PM (HgMAr)
Posted by: Nip Sip at February 05, 2016 07:26 PM (jJRIy)
Posted by: gretta stands for truth at February 05, 2016 07:20 PM (3MNCs)
It's the establishment move.
Jeb was the establishments choice. Jeb is at what 5% and Rubio is at 20% guess where their money & support is going to go?
He is their golden boi.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 05, 2016 07:26 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: Trump at February 05, 2016 07:27 PM (W4XHR)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/zpt8q29
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at February 05, 2016 07:24 PM (hVdx9)
They were both in KickAss 2.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 05, 2016 07:27 PM (kpqmD)
as one who followed and voted in that election (for Brunner).
What Akin SAID sank him, not his position on abortion-- he was doing fine, absolute prohibition on abortion and all, until he allowed in a radio interview (with Charles Jaco):
"Women don't often get pregnant from rape because their natural secretions protect them."
THAT'S what made Akin unelectable.
Posted by: mnw (rare and flounced) at February 05, 2016 07:28 PM (vU4+z)
Exactly what has Trump done for you or anyone?
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he's under no obligation to me.
Well, he's promised to support single payer health care. I'm sure other free shit will be forthcoming.
Posted by: Naes at February 05, 2016 07:28 PM (Ypc8j)
Havana Mind If We Dance Wiff Yore Dates vs. Mexico City We're Eating Up
All Your Healthcare Amigos.
Posted by: BurtTC
The Tijuana All Your Country Are Belong To Us were cheated. They should have been the Social Justice Conference champs.
Posted by: Prince Ludwig the #Problematic at February 05, 2016 07:24 PM (zmW4B)
No! They weren't cheated. If you listen to Coach Belichick, he says there is clearly no rule against deflating the other teams' players' heads with a machete. Now, if they had used chainsaws.....
Posted by: BurtTC at February 05, 2016 07:28 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: buzzion at February 05, 2016 07:24 PM (zt+N6)
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Yeah, of course. Excellent point.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 05, 2016 07:28 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: L, Elle
I resemble that remark!
Posted by: Rubio (with Chuck Schumer's fist up his ass, working him like a puppet) at February 05, 2016 07:28 PM (zmW4B)
Posted by: Rubio/Jindal 2016! at February 05, 2016 07:28 PM (H9MG5)
Posted by: ryukyu at February 05, 2016 07:29 PM (FuBZa)
Loser.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at February 05, 2016 07:29 PM (m9V0o)
Jeb was the establishments choice. Jeb is at what 5% and Rubio is at 20% guess where their money & support is going to go?
He is their golden boi.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 05, 2016 07:26 PM (voOPb)
Marco Rubio = Speaker Paul Ryan contingency plan for the McCarthy flameout.
Posted by: buzzion at February 05, 2016 07:29 PM (zt+N6)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 05, 2016 07:29 PM (oVJmc)
>>> How much campaign debt did Jindal have remaining?
Posted by: buzzion at February 05, 2016 07:24 PM (zt+N6)
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Yeah, of course. Excellent point.
Posted by: L, Elle
He's obviously angling for a Veep slot. This is why I NEVER put my faith in politicians.
Bobby, we hardly knew ye.
Posted by: pep at February 05, 2016 07:30 PM (LAe3v)
ace, I'm not saying the behavior of supporters of particular candidates should not affect your view of that candidate, but it's not logical.
Rubio is not responsible for whatever idiocy some of his backers display (same goes for any candidate). In general. Obviously there might be cases where a candidate needs to set them straight/distance himself from some questionable behavior. But in general? Nah.
Rubio is an unimpressive offering due to his own limitations, not the behavior of his fans. He's not stupid (though he's only particularly smart, it seems, by the incredibly current low standards of the Beltway and national politics). He's not evil.
But he's far from seeming like the sort of political figure needed right now. Far. Not just lack of experience, or accomplishments, though that's true. He just reeks of empty ambition. He might actually sincerely believe in lots of what he says, but it's mostly shallow platitudinous right-speak.
His judgement - both substantive on policy and on political matters - is obviously laughable. Gang of Eight idiocy. Not a small "error", not a stumble. A revealing, dispositively revealing, episode.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 05, 2016 07:30 PM (QDnY+)
I can never support him as long as that is so. It won't stop income tax or burdensome pass-through taxes. We'll get all the taxes. Not "fair tax." And it will be the federal government watching your every move and coming to collect.
NOPE NOPE NOPE.
I really don't have anyone to vote for. I am cast adrift.
Posted by: sarahw at February 05, 2016 07:12 PM (3fTXW)
Cruz is for a Flat Tax. Not a National Sales tax or VAT.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 05, 2016 07:30 PM (MNgU2)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 05, 2016 07:30 PM (rwI+c)
Rubio is the only republican candidate they do not talk about.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at February 05, 2016 07:30 PM (Cq0oW)
Syndrome, he's actually willing to take another look at Jeb! Ace, you've
completely lost it buddy.
Posted by: Trump at February 05, 2016 07:27 PM (W4XHR)
Are there really stupid loser fools on this thread who believe Ace is really considering Jeb!?
No. Nobody is that stupid.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 05, 2016 07:30 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016
****
I can believe it when SHE knocks a guy out.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at February 05, 2016 07:31 PM (hVdx9)
Time's a cast iron bitch. First it claims the folks your grandparents know, and it's "Huh, I think I heard of them." Then it's the folks your parents know, and it's "Dang, another legend gone." Then it hits your generation, and it's "Huh? He's not that old..."
Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at February 05, 2016 07:31 PM (m9V0o)
Posted by: Yeb! at February 05, 2016 07:31 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: The DHMO Criminal Syndicate at February 05, 2016 07:31 PM (vBeA5)
These fights are never over. Will revert to the mean. The mean is no open gayness. Rough men will put a stop to it when women get tired of the competition and ask them to. That will happen when the free shit runs out and the bill is presented for payment. We are on the cusp of that happening.
Posted by: scorecard at February 05, 2016 07:31 PM (kk/oj)
Well, he's promised to support single payer health care. I'm sure other free shit will be forthcoming.
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catastrophic.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at February 05, 2016 07:31 PM (Cq0oW)
I'm happy with any candidate other than Trump getting the nomination. But the ones I see losing their damn minds on Twitter and here are not the Rubio supporters.
Posted by: Dan at February 05, 2016 07:31 PM (GC1X0)
Posted by: ryukyu at February 05, 2016 07:29 PM
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Idk who Edgar Mitchell is, but there has been a lot death going on. This does not portend well for 2016. I mean, damn Abe Vigoda died and then all these other people.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 05, 2016 07:32 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 05, 2016 07:32 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: donna at February 05, 2016 07:32 PM (/dSsq)
Posted by: DaveA at February 05, 2016 07:32 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: BurtTC
First ju get the touchdown, then ju get the extra point, then ju get the women.
Posted by: Head Coach Tony Montana at February 05, 2016 07:32 PM (zmW4B)
Posted by: ryukyu at February 05, 2016 07:29 PM (FuBZa)
I am sure Martha Mitchell is devastated
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 05, 2016 07:32 PM (DUoqb)
Would we endorse a bartender's son for president? Well, of course we would.
Marco must be your man. Resistance is futile.
Posted by: Nip Sip at February 05, 2016 07:32 PM (jJRIy)
Rubio is the Eddie Haskell
I am the walrus.
Posted by: Yeb!
****
I am the Lizard King
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at February 05, 2016 07:32 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016
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I can believe it when SHE knocks a guy out.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at February 05, 2016 07:31 PM (hVdx9)
Yeah. She's a beast.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at February 05, 2016 07:32 PM (kpqmD)
Posted by: mnw (rare and flounced) at February 05, 2016 07:32 PM (vU4+z)
Posted by: Irony at February 05, 2016 07:33 PM (qmMG2)
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Only 12 men have walked on the moon, and no more will walk there in our lifetimes or our children's. Not when we are 19 trillion in debt.
Posted by: we don't have the dough at February 05, 2016 07:33 PM (3MNCs)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 05, 2016 07:34 PM (rwI+c)
"Dang, another legend gone." Then it hits your generation, and it's
"Huh? He's not that old..."
Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon
I lost an old friend to the flu this week. The flu. Who the hell dies from the flu? He was a great guy, too.
Another friend just had surgery for pancreatic cancer, so, you know.
All in all, getting older sucks. And I'm not that old.
Posted by: pep at February 05, 2016 07:34 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 05, 2016 07:35 PM (oVJmc)
Well, he's promised to support single payer health care. I'm sure other free shit will be forthcoming.
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catastrophic.
You're correct. His consistent liberal beliefs would be catastrophic for the country.
Posted by: Naes at February 05, 2016 07:35 PM (Ypc8j)
Not enough to give him a real shot of winning, of course, because nobody wants that. But I'm starting to think it's to our advantage that Jeb stays in the race a bit longer. The longer he does, the harder it is for Rubio to consolidate the center-right/establishment wing, thus the harder it is for him to get prepared for a cage match with Trump and/or Cruz.
That being the case, does it make sense for a few of the morons in states with early primaries to vote for Jeb, just to string him along for a while and make trouble for Rubio? Honestly asking.
Posted by: T at February 05, 2016 07:35 PM (NctcF)
schlafly is dead set against rubio.
i feel i'm in good company.
also, great podcast, i think i'm going to re-watch dinesh's 2016.
Posted by: concrete girl at February 05, 2016 07:35 PM (0KgAM)
Posted by: we don't have the dough at February 05, 2016 07:33 PM (3MNCs)
Say what White man?
Posted by: Chinese man at February 05, 2016 07:35 PM (DUoqb)
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at February 05, 2016 07:36 PM (1xUj/)
The only thing more sure is that he won't be the one paying for it.
Posted by: pep at February 05, 2016 07:36 PM (LAe3v)
will walk there in our lifetimes or our children's. Not when we are 19
trillion in debt.
Posted by: we don't have the dough at February 05, 2016 07:33 PM (3MNCs)
Technically, I think you need to say no more American men will walk on the moon for the next two, or more probably, at least three generations!
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 05, 2016 07:36 PM (wYnyS)
Posted by: Skip at February 05, 2016 07:37 PM (HWcaz)
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at February 05, 2016 07:37 PM (Cq0oW)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 05, 2016 07:38 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: we don't have the dough at February 05, 2016 07:33 PM (3MNCs)
That's exactly my thoughts. All the money is going to pay for people to sit around on their asses. We should have had people on Mars by now. What an inspiration that would be. Well for some anyway.
Posted by: ryukyu at February 05, 2016 07:38 PM (FuBZa)
So I just made tortillas from scratch.
Pretty damn good, if I don't say so, myself.
Posted by: Weasel at February 05, 2016 07:38 PM (e3bId)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 05, 2016 07:30 PM (MNgU2)
Wrong. Cruz is for a flat tax, but his "business tax" of 16% is a modified VAT.
http://tinyurl.com/hep95uh
Posted by: Nip Sip at February 05, 2016 07:38 PM (jJRIy)
Posted by: Pagliacci at February 05, 2016 07:39 PM (3GFMN)
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China is bankrupt and the bubble is about to burst...there will be much weeping. Read Zero Hedge dot com
Posted by: we don't have the dough at February 05, 2016 07:39 PM (3MNCs)
Posted by: ryukyu at February 05, 2016 07:29 PM (FuBZa)
https://tinyurl.com/zg7mhfm
Once upon a time, there were twelve people alive who had walked on the moon. Now there are seven, and the youngest one is 80.
I hope we get back there before the number goes to zero.
RIP, Edgar Mitchell.
Posted by: rickl at February 05, 2016 07:40 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 05, 2016 07:40 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Eromero at February 05, 2016 07:40 PM (zLDYs)
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Same here pep. I'm not old either. 2015 ended with Thanksgiving and Christmas being ruined for me bc I lost 2 people suddenly and unexpectedly on the week of each. I am actually considering writing up a will and a statement of how I want my funeral to be. Then all these famous people dying now. Everyone keeps dying. It's terrible.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 05, 2016 07:41 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 05, 2016 07:41 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 05, 2016 07:41 PM (DUoqb)
Posted by: Skip at February 05, 2016 07:42 PM (HWcaz)
Posted by: ryukyu
I want a space elevator first.
The first country to develop and deploy one will effectively own space by being able to undercut all other launch facilities in terms of speed and price.
Aaand just to pre-emp the tech argument; the tech to get us to the moon didn't exist prior to the project either.
Posted by: weft at February 05, 2016 07:42 PM (wCF3s)
Imo, the evangelicals got Akin through the primary. McCaskill did run some allegedly anti-Akin TV ads saying that Akin is too conservative for Missouri," which may have helped Akin
marginally in the GOP primary.
Posted by: mnw (rare and flounced) at February 05, 2016 07:42 PM (vU4+z)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 05, 2016 07:42 PM (rwI+c)
Because they take any expenses (such as taxes) and include them in their overhead (which they are allowed to partially write off) and divide that overhead into their charges to their customers. Either as price hikes for units produced or services rendered.
Thus YOU, the customer pay the Corporation taxes.
Any Politician who runs on increasing Corporate taxes is telling you he's going to screw YOU. And laugh as you applaud him for his position.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All That at February 05, 2016 07:42 PM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: Eromero
Pssst! You want trabajo?
Posted by: Rinse Prius at February 05, 2016 07:42 PM (zmW4B)
Posted by: freaked at February 05, 2016 07:43 PM (BO/km)
But my TV is plastered with ads against Marco.
So if you don't mind, I'll believe my own eyes rather than your phantom whining.
I heard Bush say it. It was stupid. Nobody cares.
Posted by: petunia at February 05, 2016 07:43 PM (VoCyE)
Seriously, these were really easy (buy a tortilla press) and are about a billion times better than the packaged kind.
Posted by: Weasel at February 05, 2016 07:44 PM (e3bId)
And guess where it's gone TO? The same place all our other manufacturing base has gone.
China.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All That at February 05, 2016 07:44 PM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 05, 2016 07:44 PM (oVJmc)
... I used to read shit about the Great Depression, and the rise of Fascism, and life behind the Iron Curtain, and think to myself ...
"Damn. I really hit the genetic lottery. Can't think of a better time or place to be alive."
Got a feeling, in the next ten years, the jokes going to be on me.
Posted by: Irony at February 05, 2016 07:45 PM (qmMG2)
Posted by: buzzion at February 05, 2016 07:45 PM (zt+N6)
The first country to develop and
deploy one will effectively own space by being able to undercut all
other launch facilities in terms of speed and price.
It isn't the fact that they got there first, it's the fact that they had enough moxie and drive to get there first. That's what puts you in the big boy chair.
Posted by: pep at February 05, 2016 07:45 PM (LAe3v)
We haven't gone so far but we do fry our own. Oddly, the uncooked tortillas seemingly last forever.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 05, 2016 07:46 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: petunia at February 05, 2016 07:47 PM (VoCyE)
Concern status: Noted.
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Posted by: Automated Concern Helpline at February 05, 2016 07:47 PM (zmW4B)
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Posted by: bjk at February 05, 2016 07:47 PM (Z0RQU)
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Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 05, 2016 07:47 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All That at February 05, 2016 07:48 PM (Xo1Rt)
http://tinyurl.com/hep95uh
Posted by: Nip Sip
It's not a VAT.
VATs are collected at the point of sale. A tax on net revenue isn't.
Further, VAT's don't deduct for biz expenses and capex.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 05, 2016 07:48 PM (wCF3s)
Posted by: pep at February 05, 2016 07:49 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 05, 2016 07:49 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Bill Clinton at February 05, 2016 07:50 PM (zmW4B)
The instructions say these will last a week or two in the refrigerator.
Posted by: Weasel at February 05, 2016 07:50 PM (e3bId)
Posted by: AltonJackson at February 05, 2016 07:50 PM (KCxzN)
Posted by: pep
Um, we're talking about two different things, I think.
Look up 'space elevator.'
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 05, 2016 07:50 PM (wCF3s)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 05, 2016 07:30 PM (MNgU2)
Wrong. Cruz is for a flat tax, but his "business tax" of 16% is a modified VAT.
http://tinyurl.com/hep95uh
Posted by: Nip Sip at February 05, 2016 07:38 PM (jJRIy)
What are you talking about? It's a 16% corporate flat tax.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 05, 2016 07:50 PM (MNgU2)
Got a mouse in your pocket?
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 05, 2016 07:51 PM (oVJmc)
http://bit.ly/1PFJYpC
Posted by: notsothoreau at February 05, 2016 07:51 PM (5HBd1)
Posted by: BWANY FWANKER at February 05, 2016 07:51 PM (qul7b)
It isn't the fact that they got there first, it's the fact that they
had enough moxie and drive to get there first. That's what puts you in
the big boy chair.
Posted by: pep
Um, we're talking about two different things, I think.
Look up 'space elevator.'
Posted by: weft cut-loop
I'm familiar with the concept. Your point?
Posted by: pep at February 05, 2016 07:52 PM (LAe3v)
Wow, Dan, that's a nice condensed bit of orwellian Beltway speak there.
"Rigidity" on immigration. Is that like being a "hardliner"? Or a "restrictionist"? All these question-begging terms that have no connection to reality.
Rubio showed his a) intellectual incapacity on policy matters and/orb) crude and laughable mendacity as an elected figure with the Gang of Eight disaster.
You and those like you might be doing the same with childish silliness like "rigidity on immigration".
Posted by: rhomboid at February 05, 2016 07:52 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at February 05, 2016 07:53 PM (Cq0oW)
I remember lots and lots of people supporting Romney quite viciously--that voting for anyone else in a primary was throwing away your vote on a silly protest, and people better get with the program. Romney Romney Romney.
Well, we ran the "electable" Romney and he lost. If we run the "electable" Rubio we will also lose.
Why is it so hard to learn from history?
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 05, 2016 07:53 PM (B8JRQ)
Posted by: weft cut-loop
You gotta be into tantric if you want lovin' in the space elevator.
Posted by: Aerosmith at February 05, 2016 07:53 PM (zmW4B)
SpaceX is testing a rocket this summer that is capable of going to the moon and is designed and built in the US. The Falcon Heavy.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2016 07:53 PM (/tuJf)
I've had Cuban cigars in Canada and a few MAY have sneaked across the border like an illegal immigrant crossing the Mexican one... and they were tasty. The cigars I mean, not the immigrants.
I admit every election I lose a little more faith in the GOP and politics in general; I don't have much more faith left, to be honest. When I went to caucus in 2008, I was gobsmacked. People who appeared reasonably intelligent voted for McCain not because he was great or they really believed in him but because, 'he paid his dues', 'it's time', 'everyone else will, so we'll look out of touch if we don't too'. I thought, are you Republicans or liberals?
It made me realise the things my parents told me about WHY they were Republicans - and I've been one my whole life - haven't been true... for a while. I'm old school: question, don't just follow, vote for someone with principles and positions you understand, low government and taxes, uphold the rule of law, know you won't agree 100% but decide if the grey areas are alright for you, don't accept a politician's word just because they say so - it's okay to drill down and push them, etc. Instead I live in a state where when Reichert got hammered for his positions on light bulbs and immigration, he called a meeting of about 10 movers and shakers in the King County GOP, (including a woman I know who hosted fundraisers for him), hand waved, and the guy who ran the local GOP group I used to attend basically told me that the 10 of them were satisfied and I needed to shut up complaining about Reichert's positions. Talk about bloody elitist - I never went back to that group.
Anyway, sorry for the screed, but I almost can't stand watching this trainwreck. I'm worried establishment will foist Rubio on us, we'll get our asses kicked, and then we can all practice singing the Soviet anthem before inauguration.
Posted by: Linlithgow at February 05, 2016 07:55 PM (Gim9y)
I would hate to have to continue using the tag "Low Information President" after Obama has left the building.
Posted by: Furious George, late to arrive and easily offended at February 05, 2016 07:55 PM (RIzwy)
Posted by: Dang at February 05, 2016 07:55 PM (2oWD2)
Why is it so hard to learn from history?
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like the socialists, they just need the right people
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at February 05, 2016 07:56 PM (Cq0oW)
You think The Rube wants to let a bunch of illiterate wetbacks?
HAHA
Wait till I have all you white, educated and/or business owners all rounded up and deported to Mexico! You gonna be slaves in sweat shops and landmine factories while the Beaners and Goat Fuckers are pissing in your fireplace!
HAHA!
Posted by: Skankles McFelon at February 05, 2016 07:56 PM (qul7b)
Rubio really is the Republican Obama -- his fans are just as cultish.
Rubio steals his neighbor's pets and sacrifices them in his Santeria cult.
I did try to warn everybody.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 05, 2016 07:56 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 05, 2016 07:56 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: steevy at February 05, 2016 07:56 PM (B48dK)
A sales tax is levied at the point of sale.
Both are detrimental to those people on low and fixed incomes.
A true flat tax would be a tax levied on income over an amount calculated to be the cost of living for an individual.
About what the current income is claimed to be the poverty limit. (about $11,900)
Everyone else would pay a FLAT TAX on any income above that amount. This would be fair and equal across all income/class levels. There would be a separate addon for those with children up to age 18 or dependent seniors.
This is currently what Connecticut does and although in other ways they have driven out their manufacturing base due to other taxes this system actually makes sense. CT fails because they have one of the highest sales taxes on top of an income tax and the fees they charge are at least double compared to the surrounding states.
That doesn't count the horrendous property taxes and municipal income taxes. So overall even though CT has a fair income tax, they suck otherwise because they slurp up so much of peoples income who live there.
I knew when I lost my job that I would have to move to another state as there was no way I could live on a reduced income there. So the job was lost and that tax was lost and then I moved and that tax was lost and all because the pols in Hartford are greedy and think everyone has a good paying non fireable job like they do.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All That at February 05, 2016 07:56 PM (Xo1Rt)
Between this and the Santorum endorsement and picking up Lindsay Graham, Rubio is running the table.
The children's table.
Mark Levin just tore Miss Lindsay into little lavender-scented pieces.
As Mark says, what business does a guy who was within the margin of error of a negative number in the Presidential polls have in these matters? When it comes to issuing endorsements or condemnations of those who did far better than he himself was ever able to do? The guy has an utter vacuum of credibility.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 05, 2016 07:57 PM (noWW6)
Is this like the "send all racists to Antarctica" gambit?
Sure, as long as you don't follow us.
Posted by: a phoenician sailor at February 05, 2016 07:58 PM (W51NF)
Posted by: freaked at February 05, 2016 07:58 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at February 05, 2016 07:58 PM (iONHu)
Posted by: petunia at February 05, 2016 07:47 PM (VoCyE)
Well, here ya go, I'm gonna make you cream your panties like a squirter porn star:
Fuck that Dondi-looking, backstabbing, amnesty-loving shit weasel directly in his GOPe dick-sucking ass.
Posted by: Country Singer, Enemy of the State at February 05, 2016 08:00 PM (GUBah)
Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose at February 05, 2016 08:00 PM (GWySV)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel
****
Who hasn't?
Posted by: James T. Kirk at February 05, 2016 08:00 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: chemjeff at February 05, 2016 08:01 PM (WKc9e)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All That at February 05, 2016 08:01 PM (Xo1Rt)
You bastards have been screwing with me for decades, and it's payback time!
After you lick me where I shit each and everyone of you is going to the yellow cake mines, the organ mills, or the ball bearing factories at Nordhousen!
HOGAN!
*Hic*
Posted by: Skankles McFelon at February 05, 2016 08:01 PM (qul7b)
was a position that rendered a candidate unelectable. (As it turns out,
they were right.)
I call bullshit. Akin's candidacy blew up because of his claim that women who were truly raped could not get pregnant because of biology. That the female body would shut down the reproductive process if she was forcibly raped.
This line of attack - that being against abortion in the case of rape is political suicide - is revisionist bullshit. You also said on the podcast that polls said support for the no rape abortion position is 9%.
I would like to see the evidence you base that statement on. A google search comes up with this gallup poll as the top result:
http://tinyurl.com/2br99el
That one says the the level of support for abortion being illegal in all circumstances is 19%. And that doesn't even get to the narrower issue of just abortions in the case of rape. Many pro-lifers are ok with a woman getting an abortion if the pregnancy is a true threat to the woman's life, so if you separate out that issue in a poll, the number of people opposed to the abortion in the case of rape number would increase.
BTW, I come to the defense of the Rubio position on the issue as one who despises the man.
Posted by: Barney Frank at February 05, 2016 08:01 PM (R+30W)
Posted by: pep
Launches are exceedingly expensive, restricting access to only the high-scale projects and biggest customers. It was something like $10k per kilo in the nineties. I don't think it has lessened.
A country with an elevator could charge any price for a launch/lift. That country could put other countries' commercial space programs out of business while lifting all of their own domestic packages rapidly. This would set a foundation for further exploration, Mars - whatever.
One-shot rocket launches are like reed-boats of primitive man.
An elevator would be the galleon shipyard of the exploration age.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 05, 2016 08:01 PM (wCF3s)
SpaceX is testing a rocket this summer that is capable of going to the moon and is designed and built in the US. The Falcon Heavy.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2016 07:53 PM (/tuJf)
And they'll be launching it from Pad 39A, which is the pad that launched most of the Saturn V and Shuttle missions. They signed a 20-year lease on it and have been busy modifying it for their own vehicles.
LC-39A is one of the two most historic launch pads in the world. The other is the one in Kazakhstan that Yuri Gagarin flew from, which is still in use.
I think it's all kinds of cool that SpaceX will be using it.
Posted by: rickl at February 05, 2016 08:02 PM (sdi6R)
I don't see that as out of line at all.
When a guy has to have his mom come momsplain about why he is losing... that is a death rattle.
Jeb. Just say no to running for President.
Posted by: petunia at February 05, 2016 08:02 PM (VoCyE)
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 05, 2016 08:02 PM (R+30W)
"Fuck that Dondi-looking, backstabbing, amnesty-loving shit weasel directly in his GOPe dick-sucking ass."
So I can count on your vote?
Posted by: Marco The Rubio at February 05, 2016 08:02 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 05, 2016 08:02 PM (FkBIv)
Exactly. An intellectual lightweight, who everyone keeps telling me is brilliant. A passable speaker, whom everyone tells me is the greatest public orator since Reagan. A squish, whom everyone tells me is a super duper strong conservative. A loser, who a bunch of people tells me really won by coming in third.
I am sorry, if my first impressions lead me one direction, everyone telling me the opposite has a tendency to solidify my position, not persuade. Especially considering that the more I observe, the more it seems like my impression was justified. I do not think I am wrong, I think you are an idiot.
Also, as an added aside. I get enough idiotic reality gaslighting coming from the left (Climate change, socialism.) I do not need it from people who are ostensibly on my side. If they thought Rubio was the better choice, in spite of him losing in Iowa, then argue that way, not against objective reality. The constant drumbeat of things not being what are objectively observable is fricking insane.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 05, 2016 08:02 PM (iHjB5)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 05, 2016 07:49 PM (rwI+c)
Moon pies? Where is your King cake heathen!
Posted by: Lea at February 05, 2016 08:03 PM (vmMMi)
Is that what TFG is doing on a barrel of oil?
Posted by: hudaybiyah - trust me at February 05, 2016 08:03 PM (HgTBl)
Posted by: L, Elle at February 05, 2016 06:48 PM (2x3L+)
There's that attitude that got Obama to the Whitehouse and kept him there.
Posted by: petunia at February 05, 2016 08:03 PM (VoCyE)
Marco fans, and boy, does he have a lot of them in the right media...
The GOPe right: Always ready to compromise, Eager to shift the blame in every defeat or claim it as a "strategic victory". Demands accolades and a share of the spoils in every success they had nothing to do with.
They are but curs, biting their masters and cringing before anyone who raises their voice.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 05, 2016 08:03 PM (kdS6q)
Space Elevator?
I'll out one up your white middle class ass so far your boogers will be in orbit at L5!
Posted by: Skankles McFelon at February 05, 2016 08:04 PM (qul7b)
For example I make dinguses by hand in my shop and sell them to you who then uses them to make widgets. If sales tax occurs at every sales transaction, it actually appears to be worse than a VAT.
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 05, 2016 08:04 PM (wYnyS)
Posted by: James T. Kirk at February 05, 2016 08:04 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Marco The Rubio at February 05, 2016 08:02 PM (BO/km)
Yeah.
If your name is Ted Cruz. And maybe, just maybe, Trump. No more laying back and thinking of Old Glory when I'm getting raped in the election booth.
Posted by: Country Singer, Enemy of the State at February 05, 2016 08:04 PM (GUBah)
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 05, 2016 08:05 PM (dFi94)
Also:
Charles C. W. Cooke*
Are you under the impression that NR exists to parrot the transient folly of pluralities?
*Fop
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 05, 2016 08:05 PM (kdS6q)
Re: Space Elevator
I went to the international conference here twice, and it was interesting but man... it has a long way to go. Never mind the tech - they had the tether competition for CFNTs and we are a loooooooong way off with that alone - but the politics. Some of the conference was a joke - college kids in India Skyping in to talk about their little paper they wrote... which was often a repeat of something else another person had posited, and I felt I knew more than the kids making the presentation - but this guy doesn't like this guy and tries to restrict his speaking, and this other guy with a MS in ME saying we should do it this way, and another guy with a physics PhD telling me guy number one is full of shit. There are just too many variables right now - tech is not there.
Nuclear rockets are, however. Second stage of the Saturn V was nearly nuclear, but unfortunately 'nuclear' is the other n word. We simply cannot colonize space easily using chemical rockets - the specific impulse isn't high enough. I would be more impressed if Space X or Blue Origin went bold, took what we learned from Rover/Nerva and went whole hog. Space stations before I die, FTW.
Posted by: Linlithgow at February 05, 2016 08:05 PM (Gim9y)
Posted by: Weasel at February 05, 2016 08:05 PM (e3bId)
Posted by: Vilhelm Gregers at February 05, 2016 08:05 PM (yQf63)
Posted by: chemjeff at February 05, 2016 08:05 PM (WKc9e)
business owners all rounded up and deported to Mexico! You gonna be
slaves in sweat shops and landmine factories while the Beaners and Goat
Fuckers are pissing in your fireplace!
HAHA!
Posted by: Skankles McFelon at February 05, 2016 07:56 PM (qul7b)<<<
Interresting. Re-reconquista?
We go to Mexico set shit straight, fixing it to how America used to be... good climate... good natural resources... maybe Texas rejoins up with us...
... and we get to keep Mexico's old, STRICTER, immigration policies so that the shit heels that left can't come back.
Posted by: New Old Mexico at February 05, 2016 08:05 PM (H9MG5)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 05, 2016 08:06 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: petunia at February 05, 2016 08:03 PM (VoCyE)
No, the attitude that got him there was a combination of "Free Shit" and "we have to run Juan McCain, because maverick that votes Democrat and run Mitt, the architect of ObamaCare, because electable."
Posted by: Country Singer, Enemy of the State at February 05, 2016 08:07 PM (GUBah)
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 05, 2016 08:07 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at February 05, 2016 08:07 PM (Cq0oW)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, Keeper of the Guards at February 05, 2016 06:50 PM (cv6Ng)
Heh ....... That's almost verbatim, I shit you not, from a phone conversation with my sister (Chicago West Burbs), last night.
Words used: Trump, fuck you and war.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at February 05, 2016 08:08 PM (zYV5P)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 05, 2016 08:08 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Weasel
****
Space no. Butt stuff? Interest up 1 million percent.
Posted by: James T. Kirk at February 05, 2016 08:08 PM (hVdx9)
I'm gonna use your slave labor, and organs, to make alien reptile cyborgs - like me - to turn mexico into a vacation paradise for my owners, and the 11th circle of Hell for you fuckers.
Like WestWorld, without Richard Benjamin's mustache...
Posted by: Skankles McFelon at February 05, 2016 08:08 PM (qul7b)
At any point a vendor or manufacturer adds value then a tax is levied.
A VAT can be levied a number of times in the production line from mining to sales.
Sales tax is a tax added at the point of sale. Most whole sale products are not taxed with a sales tax. The participants have to have state tax id and show that they sold the item to someone who was either not selling it at retail or was using the item in something they made.
This is how certain service providers (like a hospital can avoid sales tax on retail products as they are not reselling the item at retail)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All That at February 05, 2016 08:09 PM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: Vilhelm Gregers at February 05, 2016 08:05 PM (yQf63)
=================================================
I always admired Ms. Schlafly. A formidable woman. She must be getting up in years.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 05, 2016 08:09 PM (dFi94)
There's that attitude that got Obama to the Whitehouse and kept him there.
Posted by: petunia
Conservative turnout increased from W's 2004 campaign through Romney's.
You really should do more reading on the subject. Or, I don't know, fuck off?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 05, 2016 08:09 PM (wCF3s)
It's like no one gives a shit about the Superbowl?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 05, 2016 08:10 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Skankles McFelon at February 05, 2016 08:10 PM (qul7b)
Posted by: buzzion at February 05, 2016 08:11 PM (zt+N6)
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at February 05, 2016 08:11 PM (Cq0oW)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 05, 2016 08:11 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: Weasel at February 05, 2016 08:05 PM (e3bId)
Well, the people who are actually doing it aren't stupid. But they're certainly in the minority.
Posted by: rickl at February 05, 2016 08:11 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: rickl
****
There's more money in balding cures and boner pills.
Posted by: James T. Kirk at February 05, 2016 08:12 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: rickl at February 05, 2016 08:12 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: duck and cover at February 05, 2016 08:12 PM (8CdUx)
Cuban coffee - it's like the shit Lisa would pour for Oliver on Green Acres.
Buena Vista Social Club - hall of fame Cuban musicians
Side note- I had a Cuban friend and a Peruvian roommate (during my Yosemite years). They didn't get along. The Peruvian said the Cubans acted and talked uppity. I say this because perhaps the Mexican heritage voter may not like a Cuban.
Posted by: hudaybiyah - trust me at February 05, 2016 08:13 PM (HgTBl)
Posted by: Old Blue at February 05, 2016 08:13 PM (9iR5/)
Flat tax? False. He wants "fair tax" - flat tax plus national sales tax = VAT. 19%. He has a percentage in mind.
The thing is, we'll just end up with the VAT on top of everything else.
Posted by: sarahw at February 05, 2016 08:13 PM (3fTXW)
What he did do is speak in generalities that the listeners took to mean there would be more free shit.
And others (like the white liberal middle class) believed him when he said that the ACA would save money and wouldn't change the health care system. which was a lie.
The main thing that first got Obama elected is that so many listened to one thing and heard another. And he did that on purpose.
The 2nd time he got elected it was free shit and more of the same plus look who was the choice put up by the GOPe.
That and all the bad stuff he'd done had yet to be either discovered or released by the media or the Government.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All That at February 05, 2016 08:13 PM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian
****
You really think she has any other way of getting laid?
Posted by: James T. Kirk at February 05, 2016 08:13 PM (hVdx9)
So the VAT is a virtually invisible tax except for the final posted VAT to the consumer (where it might be considered a sales tax) and it is based on a geometric progression of transfer point VATs. No wonder the politicians love them!
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 05, 2016 08:13 PM (wYnyS)
Posted by: MIRROR UNIVERSE mATT DAMON ROMNEY at February 05, 2016 08:13 PM (8CdUx)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 05, 2016 07:50 PM (MNgU2)
Hey, I am a Cruz guy. It is NOT a corporate flat tax. He abolishes the corp tax.
I suggest you read this.
http://tinyurl.com/jquw9cl
Posted by: Nip Sip at February 05, 2016 08:14 PM (jJRIy)
White guys, buzz cuts, short sleeve shirts, and slide rules.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 05, 2016 08:14 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 05, 2016 08:14 PM (voOPb)
My little company is a supplier to both NASA and SpaceX which I think is a very cool thing. NASA has done some pretty amazing shit but I'm pretty sure a purely private space program is going to move a lot faster.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 05, 2016 08:15 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: chemjeff at February 05, 2016 08:15 PM (WKc9e)
Yeah, no. We will have an enforcing agency and end up with both income tax and VAT and all the pile on hidden taxes and pass through taxes to feed the beast, same as it ever was.
Posted by: sarahw at February 05, 2016 08:16 PM (3fTXW)
I heard she likes to take on goat dick
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at
****
Of Horny Kirk Sock.
Didn't someone say they heard where a goat owner claimed their goats were being raped?
Now we know who it was.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at February 05, 2016 08:16 PM (hVdx9)
White guys, buzz cuts, short sleeve shirts, and slide rules.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 05, 2016 08:14 PM (oVJmc)<<<
Don't forget the cigarettes. Lot's and lots of cigarettes.
And some coffee.
Posted by: old school NASA guys with buzz cuts, short sleeve shirts, and slide rules at February 05, 2016 08:16 PM (H9MG5)
You know, the new normal.
Posted by: Weasel at February 05, 2016 08:16 PM (e3bId)
Posted by: petunia
If that was the case, then 2010 and 2014 would not have happened. It was the Conservative vote that did that, not the effete, squishe(R) GOPErs.
We held our noses and took a buttfucking from those same GOPErs that thought it was somehow doing penance to vote for Lord Emperor Three Putt in 2008.
They did and Romney was uninspiring in 2012.
..and now, we have Trump. Simple as that.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at February 05, 2016 08:17 PM (zYV5P)
White guys, buzz cuts, short sleeve shirts, and slide rules.>>>
Yes the first trip to the moon was done
with slide rules, coffee, cigarettes and hard liquor. With all the
advancements in computers and materials science getting back is just a
making it a priority. Oh and getting it done outside the govt
procurement/kickback system.
Posted by: Willy J. at February 05, 2016 08:17 PM (Nkdwp)
Mexicans barely notice the existence of Cubans.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 05, 2016 08:17 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: petunia at February 05, 2016 08:03 PM (VoCyE)
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Who the hell are you anyway and why are you talking to me?
Posted by: L, Elle at February 05, 2016 08:18 PM (2x3L+)
Re: Space Elevator
I went to the international conference here twice, and it was interesting but man... it has a long way to go. Never mind the tech - they had the tether competition for CFNTs and we are a loooooooong way off with that alone - but the politics. Some of the conference was a joke - college kids in India Skyping in to talk about their little paper they wrote... which was often a repeat of something else another person had posited, and I felt I knew more than the kids making the presentation - but this guy doesn't like this guy and tries to restrict his speaking, and this other guy with a MS in ME saying we should do it this way, and another guy with a physics PhD telling me guy number one is full of shit. There are just too many variables right now - tech is not there.
Nuclear rockets are, however. Second stage of the Saturn V was nearly nuclear, but unfortunately 'nuclear' is the other n word. We simply cannot colonize space easily using chemical rockets - the specific impulse isn't high enough. I would be more impressed if Space X or Blue Origin went bold, took what we learned from Rover/Nerva and went whole hog. Space stations before I die, FTW.
Posted by: Linlithgow at February 05, 2016 08:05 PM (Gim9y)
I agree about nuclear rockets. Chemical rockets are fine for launching from Earth's surface to Earth orbit, but true interplanetary spacecraft should be constructed in Earth orbit and be nuclear powered. Shit, they had that figured out in the 1940s. It's still the way to go.
Posted by: rickl at February 05, 2016 08:18 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 05, 2016 08:18 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 05, 2016 08:18 PM (kdS6q)
voters about Marco Rubio's actual position on rape in cases of abortion."
If you get an abortion, Marco Rubio wants you to get raped?
Posted by: Brian Ross at February 05, 2016 08:18 PM (yB1PK)
You'll take a populist business man who will stand up to the GOPe but is willing to listen.
You'll get a naive social climbing pretentious wet back who's will to be anybody's puppet for the right price.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All That at February 05, 2016 08:19 PM (Xo1Rt)
It will strangle commerce, besides. Simplification of the tax code needs to happen first and exclusively.
Posted by: sarahw at February 05, 2016 08:19 PM (3fTXW)
Posted by: Gene Kranz at February 05, 2016 08:19 PM (H9MG5)
Posted by: buzzion at February 05, 2016 08:11 PM (zt+N6)
Only if Gingrich won.
And nice talk up there. You kiss your mom with that mouth?
Okay, I went to look for the things Ace and Jeb found so bad.
Wow!!! I never saw articles this positive for Romney!!! People really and truly like Rubio's style and his policies and just everything about them.
Jeb is in the way.
Rubio is really really great!
Stay home if you want. I like our chances.
Posted by: petunia at February 05, 2016 08:20 PM (VoCyE)
The agencies are too big, EPA, IRS, ATF, etc. they are the true rulers. A GOP president is a speed bump to the impending doom.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 05, 2016 08:20 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 05, 2016 08:21 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: concrete girl at February 05, 2016 08:22 PM (0KgAM)
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i never stay home. I'll vote against, that's all.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at February 05, 2016 08:22 PM (Cq0oW)
Only if Gingrich won.
And nice talk up there. You kiss your mom with that mouth?
Okay, I went to look for the things Ace and Jeb found so bad.
Wow!!! I never saw articles this positive for Romney!!! People really and truly like Rubio's style and his policies and just everything about them.
Jeb is in the way.
Rubio is really really great!
Stay home if you want. I like our chances.
Posted by: petunia at February 05, 2016 08:20 PM (VoCyE)
No. But your's likes that thing I do with my tongue.
Posted by: buzzion at February 05, 2016 08:22 PM (zt+N6)
Blame that on 2012. We weren't really beaten by Obama. We were beat by the people who hated Romney and just wouldn't stop. ABR? Yah, that gave us Obama.
So get out losers, you are going to do what was done in 2012.
Posted by: petunia at February 05, 2016 08:22 PM (VoCyE)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 05, 2016 08:24 PM (oVJmc)
You'll take a populist business man who will stand up to the GOPe but is willing to listen.
You'll get man tears and a hug!
Posted by: John Kasich at February 05, 2016 08:24 PM (qqwYn)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 05, 2016 08:24 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: buzzion at February 05, 2016 08:22 PM (zt+N6)
My mother would be 98 years old if she were alive. So that is really offensive.
Posted by: petunia at February 05, 2016 08:24 PM (VoCyE)
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Wtf are you talking about? Buzz didn't even use bad language in his reply to you.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 05, 2016 08:24 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: petunia at February 05, 2016 08:20 PM (VoCyE)
Still got that nest of mice in your pants huh?
It's a good idea to not make assumptions as to how many adherents to your position you may or may not have.
Some of us will argue both sides of an argument just for the lulz.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All That at February 05, 2016 08:25 PM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: Willy J. at February 05, 2016 08:17 PM (Nkdwp)
Don't forget duct tape and really big chalkboards!
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 05, 2016 08:25 PM (wYnyS)
Posted by: freaked at February 05, 2016 08:25 PM (BO/km)
And fuck you goat woman
I voted for the squish and donated time & money
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 05, 2016 08:26 PM (voOPb)
I'm assuming that a moon pie is not two round graham crackers shells with marshmallow in the middle all covered with chocolate?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 05, 2016 08:26 PM (w4NZ8)
Posted by: petunia at February 05, 2016 08:24 PM (VoCyE)
Gee. Does that mean you're going to leave?
Awwww. We hurt their widdle feewings.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All That at February 05, 2016 08:26 PM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 05, 2016 08:27 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at February 05, 2016 08:27 PM (pq97T)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All That at February 05, 2016 08:26 PM (Xo1Rt)
See, there is some good in all of us!
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 05, 2016 08:27 PM (wYnyS)
He called McConnell a liar on the senate floor, for fuck's sake. We are not doomed. We've got the guy we've been waiting for.
Posted by: Joanne at February 05, 2016 08:29 PM (hgBpU)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 05, 2016 08:29 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 05, 2016 08:29 PM (voOPb)
My mother would be 98 years old if she were alive. So that is really offensive.
Posted by: petunia at February 05, 2016 08:24 PM (VoCyE)
Well I am dead. And you're the whiner that decided to mention mothers.
Posted by: buzzion at February 05, 2016 08:30 PM (zt+N6)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 05, 2016 08:30 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: Weasel at February 05, 2016 08:30 PM (e3bId)
Posted by: Pet Shop Customer at February 05, 2016 08:31 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Weasel at February 05, 2016 08:31 PM (e3bId)
Posted by: buzzion at February 05, 2016
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Lol! Thread winner!!
It's true Buzz is dead and he has he probably done your mother.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 05, 2016 08:32 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: rabidfox at February 05, 2016 08:33 PM (EW9tX)
Posted by: seamrog at February 05, 2016 08:34 PM (aFi5m)
We're still using that stage for those little Mars rovers..
Posted by: Hollywood at February 05, 2016 08:34 PM (MXbyW)
Position 2: The party's leaders are not the base's friends.
Position 3: No writer will tell the truth.
Position 4: All writer's have a favorite.
Position 5: Elect-ability is an ephemeral quality.
Position 6: All your fellow voters are idiots.
Position 7: You are unable to see your candidate's faults.
Position 8: Everyone will be disappointed in the process.
Position 9: No one will be satisfied with the result.
(no not even the backers of the nominee will be satisfied.)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All That at February 05, 2016 08:34 PM (Xo1Rt)
"Once he got elected, he betrayed us all," she told WND. "He said he
was against amnesty and against the establishment. And once he got in,
right away, he became an agent of the establishment. And now, of course,
he's big for amnesty and letting all the illegal immigrants in. He
betrayed us a number of times on that issue."
http://preview.tinyurl.com/hobfrtq
Posted by: Pet Shop Customer at February 05, 2016 08:34 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: petunia at February 05, 2016 08:24 PM (VoCyE)
Well, at least now we know you're 84.
Posted by: Country Singer, Enemy of the State at February 05, 2016 08:34 PM (GUBah)
Posted by: L, Elle at February 05, 2016 08:36 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: weft cut-loop
True, assuming (incorrectly) that the tech was ready. That wasn't my point. I was simply saying that a country that's lost its drive won't be doing anything big and bold, whether the tech is ready or not.
We've lost a lot of our drive.
Posted by: pep at February 05, 2016 08:37 PM (LAe3v)
Cruz is the only candidate who I believe will do what he says he wants to do or die trying. Nobody and I mean nobody running will even try to change the business as usual crap going on in D.C.
So I really don't give a shit about your views on his tax plan.
Posted by: Joanne at February 05, 2016 08:38 PM (hgBpU)
Posted by: Joanne at February 05, 2016 08:40 PM (hgBpU)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All That at February 05, 2016 08:19 PM (Xo1Rt)
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Wetback?
Nice.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 05, 2016 08:42 PM (T/5A0)
He'll refuse and do the "I'm not endorsing anyone from this lot" speech.
Posted by: OrsonSnow at February 05, 2016 08:44 PM (xXd6T)
Posted by: Weasel at February 05, 2016 08:44 PM (e3bId)
Posted by: pep
Which is exactly why I said we're talking about two different things.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 05, 2016 08:45 PM (wCF3s)
We lost our drive when LBJ managed to hook the Welfare system up to the Federal Tax system.
After that, most tech projects lost funding, most research lost funding and the education system started to graduate idiots.
Once that happened the entire edifice created during WWII came to a screeching halt and all the money and brains went elsewhere while businesses turned to making a profit however they could manage.
We now have multiple reduced and dumbed down generations that are unable to get up and do something and don't have the smarts and training to do something anyway.
The NEA should be taken out and shot for the damage they've done to education. If an enemy had done the same thing, it would be cause for war.
I've been watching it for years but was too old to enter the fray by the time I realized I was smarter than most college grads being diploma'd these days.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger 1.0 and All That at February 05, 2016 08:47 PM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: petunia at February 05, 2016 08:24 PM (VoCyE)
****
I guess that explains why she didn't move around much.
(movie quote)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at February 05, 2016 08:48 PM (hVdx9)
I guess that explains why she didn't move around much.
(movie quote)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at February 05, 2016 08:48 PM (hVdx9)
Steeeeeeeve Perry!
Posted by: buzzion at February 05, 2016 08:49 PM (zt+N6)
Posted by: The Walking Dude at February 05, 2016 08:54 PM (cCxiu)
Shallow Rubio, unprincipled Trump - they are not alternatives.
I can't abide vulgar Christie. Fiorino is not repulsive - intelligent, presentable, great voice - but won't be the nominee and is probably not qualified to be the chief executive but of course no one needs to think about that anymore.
Weak field when the Dems could not be weaker. I despair.
Posted by: sarahw at February 05, 2016 09:03 PM (3fTXW)
Posted by: Jasper at February 05, 2016 09:05 PM (o9lmn)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at February 05, 2016 09:28 PM (Dpn9i)
Rubio isn't some perfect god that we worship, unlike Obama supporters in the last two elections. We certainly realize that he's "just a politician". We simply like him better than the alternatives out there. He's smart, personable, knows the issues backwards and forwards, and, yes, he's conservative as all hell. He would arguably be the most conservative president we've ever elected if that comes to pass.
Should Bush and Christie GTFO? If they can't beat him in New Hampshire, where they've practically lived for six months, then yeah, they should. Whether they will or not is likely a product of their egos.
But for you to post this drivel, that Rubio fans are just like Obama sycophants. It's too much. Get a grip and stop insulting your readers just because they've chosen a different candidate than you have.
Posted by: JoeC at February 05, 2016 09:32 PM (j76Cr)
Posted by: WOPR at February 05, 2016 09:32 PM (LTDSy)
30 pieces of silver to take down Rubio. Par for the course.
Posted by: unfatmatt at February 05, 2016 09:46 PM (ofDwz)
Posted by: WOPR at February 05, 2016 09:32 PM (LTDSy)
The baby didn't have a choice either. Abortion doesn't solve that problem, it just injures the woman a second time.
Posted by: unfatmatt at February 05, 2016 09:48 PM (ofDwz)
He might nuance this with: I am a Catholic and I oppose abortion, but as a politician I recognize a blanket ban will not work till people's hearts change (which was GWB's position).
I am pro life, but I am hesitant to have the power of government stop a rape victim from having an abortion (sorry, but government should not be getting involved in that, certainly if done early in such a pregnancy).
So let's see what he will say. If he screws this up and comes off Akin-ishly, well we better known now.
Posted by: Evi L. Bloggerlady at February 05, 2016 10:23 PM (hUf3d)
Anyway, it is the highest of comedy for a Trump / Cruz fanboy to argue about the alleged "cult" like behavior of another politician.
That's a lot of projection there, pal.
Posted by: Vyce at February 05, 2016 10:26 PM (HI7nL)
Posted by: MARCO PORNO at February 05, 2016 11:10 PM (cP1XU)
Posted by: Hatchet at February 05, 2016 11:16 PM (J+XbI)
Posted by: Arkansas Yankee at February 05, 2016 11:26 PM (Je4OY)
Schlafly has made it ABUNDANTLY clear why any anti-establishment voter must reject Pony Rubio..
Anyone who embraces the sad Pony Boy Rubio should be marked as such. - A sad little Pony Boy.
Posted by: Trump Super Fan at February 06, 2016 12:50 AM (zhLKc)
Posted by: 1bunny at February 06, 2016 01:00 AM (5JQgp)
Wrong. Among other things, most notably Cruz (and Sessions and co.) beat Rubio (and Schumer and co.) on amnesty.
Which puts him head and shoulders above Benedict Rubio.
Posted by: Sayyid at February 06, 2016 01:03 AM (bTB1R)
Posted by: pj at February 06, 2016 06:11 AM (cHuNI)
I'd never vote for Rubio. He stabbed all the Florida supporters in the back when he told them he would never support amnesty. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
Posted by: Dobby at February 06, 2016 09:18 AM (b1uWI)
Massive Amnesty and the death of a nation.
Rubio is NOT the solution to this problem. With his deceit, it's a wonder he's a solution to any problem.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 06, 2016 02:29 PM (1CroS)
Posted by: evergreen at February 06, 2016 11:05 PM (tDwXn)
Posted by: Gamecockjerry at February 07, 2016 09:24 PM (m/uRi)
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