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Rush Limbaugh: Rubio is a Full-Throated Conservative, Not Establishment; We Got Reaganites In Two of the Top Three Places
The long-asked question, when would Limbaugh begin advocating against Trump, turns out to be "today." He also said that Trump lost Iowa because he attacked Cruz "like a liberal Democrat" -- which is, you know, True. Trump's brand was -- I thought -- to kick the Washington layabouts and con artists in the ass. But half of his attacks on Cruz were of the variety, "He doesn't get along with those layabouts and con artists enough; he can't make Great Deals with those layabouts and con artists, like I can." This is the problem with a complete lack of ideology. Sure, it frees you up to say some things that need saying, but you're also unmoored from any kind of consistent pattern of thought. The guy who's promising to shake up Washington can't make it his case in chief against another guy that that other guy is going to shake up Washington. Well yes -- we thought that was you were promising as well, Donald. If you're just going to cut deals with Reid, McConnell, and Pelosi, then what is the Point of You? I was still hoping for Trump to do better, to get this down to Cruz and Trump. I have questions about both -- I have questions about Cruz's electability, and I have questions about Trump's judgment and commitment to important principles. And his electability. I'll tell you, though, the last several weeks of watching Donald Trump attack Cruz as insufficiently willing to cut deals with liberal Democrat demagogues has really made me wonder what Trump's actual usefulness is here is. The attacks on him being a Canadian -- that I ignored as typical I-can-go-as-low-as-can-be-imagined Trumpian nonsense. I could blow that silly crap off. But what was really bothering me is Trump's conception of the theory of his candidacy as the Do Business With Democrats candidate. No thanks. We have Marco Rubio for that already.More Rush: Rubio is a “legitimate full-throated conservative” https://t.co/gIXckHN6n3
— Allahpundit (@allahpundit) February 2, 2016
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(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Lizzy at February 02, 2016 04:11 PM (NOIQH)
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So again it's either somebody who can't win nationally or a snake.
I guess the burning times it is then.
I guess the burning times it is then.
Posted by: Kreplach at February 02, 2016 04:11 PM (sELnb)
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Rush must be trolling the GOPe with that Rubio BS.
Posted by: Country Singer at February 02, 2016 04:12 PM (GUBah)
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I guess fatso Rush is back on the pills again. Total junkie.
Posted by: Donald Trump at February 02, 2016 04:12 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: proudvastrightwingconspirator at February 02, 2016 04:13 PM (uwRNQ)
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But haven't you heard ? Cruz is an autistic snake handling evangelist who has no friends.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 02, 2016 04:13 PM (5FQVt)
Posted by: eleven at February 02, 2016 04:13 PM (qUNWi)
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Whenever I hear Rubio talk, I love the words that are coming out of his mouth.
Then, I look at his record and realize it's all horseshit.
Then, I look at his record and realize it's all horseshit.
Posted by: V the K at February 02, 2016 04:13 PM (O7MnT)
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I, too, did not like Trumps attacks on Cruz from the Left and his claims he could work with Democrats.
That's the opposite of his appeal to angry Republicans (and former Republicans). He was crashing the party and re-setting the debate, not cooperating with anyone who upheld the status quo on both sides of the aisle and the MSM.
Working with Dems requires total acceptance of their terms, their Lefty premises. No.
That's the opposite of his appeal to angry Republicans (and former Republicans). He was crashing the party and re-setting the debate, not cooperating with anyone who upheld the status quo on both sides of the aisle and the MSM.
Working with Dems requires total acceptance of their terms, their Lefty premises. No.
Posted by: Lizzy at February 02, 2016 04:14 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: jwb7605 at February 02, 2016 04:14 PM (DofIg)
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Ace, there's another long-term "X factor" that you didn't consider:
Looking past the nomination process to the general election, I feel that Trump (and Trump alone) has a strong chance of flipping NY State from D to R on election night in November.
Trump is a NY native son, and is most more popular and well-known in New York than he is even in the rest of flyover country. His name recognition in NY is 100% -- not 99%, but 100%. Even the rats and cockroaches know who Trump is.
Furthermore, he endeared himself to NY voters even more when he leapt to the state's defense against Cruz's "NY values" attack, and in the process Trump became NY's main defender and father figure.
Furthermore, Hillary is a known and self-admitted carpetbagger to NY -- despite being the senator there for a brief period, she's not a "New York gal," just a sleazy opportunist who wanted to nab an open senate seat for a couple years.
I think all these factors are more than enough to flip 10%-ish of NY voters to Trump in the general election, which would b enough to put the entire state in the GOP column in the electoral college.
And with that fact alone, the election is simply over - Trump wins easily nationwide.
NY and California are the bedrock of the Dem electoral college strategy, and if they lose either, they have literally no hope of winning any presidential election. The "gimme" GOP solid-red staes PLUS New York already puts any Republican candidate over the 50% mark in the electoral college. Don't even need ANY of the "battleground states" after that.
So, for this reason alone, it might be very very strategic to vote for Trump in any primary.
Looking past the nomination process to the general election, I feel that Trump (and Trump alone) has a strong chance of flipping NY State from D to R on election night in November.
Trump is a NY native son, and is most more popular and well-known in New York than he is even in the rest of flyover country. His name recognition in NY is 100% -- not 99%, but 100%. Even the rats and cockroaches know who Trump is.
Furthermore, he endeared himself to NY voters even more when he leapt to the state's defense against Cruz's "NY values" attack, and in the process Trump became NY's main defender and father figure.
Furthermore, Hillary is a known and self-admitted carpetbagger to NY -- despite being the senator there for a brief period, she's not a "New York gal," just a sleazy opportunist who wanted to nab an open senate seat for a couple years.
I think all these factors are more than enough to flip 10%-ish of NY voters to Trump in the general election, which would b enough to put the entire state in the GOP column in the electoral college.
And with that fact alone, the election is simply over - Trump wins easily nationwide.
NY and California are the bedrock of the Dem electoral college strategy, and if they lose either, they have literally no hope of winning any presidential election. The "gimme" GOP solid-red staes PLUS New York already puts any Republican candidate over the 50% mark in the electoral college. Don't even need ANY of the "battleground states" after that.
So, for this reason alone, it might be very very strategic to vote for Trump in any primary.
Posted by: zombie at February 02, 2016 04:14 PM (jBuUi)
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BTW....if Cruz is an Aspie or whatever...WTF does that make Hillary?
Posted by: eleven at February 02, 2016 04:14 PM (qUNWi)
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Whenever I hear Rubio talk, I love the words that are coming out of his mouth.
Then, I look at his record and realize it's all horseshit.
Posted by: V the K at February 02, 2016 04:13 PM
Yep, they flow like water, until you check the source.
Whenever I hear Rubio talk, I love the words that are coming out of his mouth.
Then, I look at his record and realize it's all horseshit.
Posted by: V the K at February 02, 2016 04:13 PM
Yep, they flow like water, until you check the source.
Posted by: huerfano at February 02, 2016 04:15 PM (NSb9d)
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What is Rubio's throat full of, exactly?
Posted by: joeclark77 at February 02, 2016 04:15 PM (1A5DQ)
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And this whole idea about Trump saying he will do deals, do you imagine a President Cruz will not have to do deals with congress?
It's where you start the deal, do you start it from a position of strength or weakeness.
Cruz was onboard with the TPP deal, H1b expansion and the other turds he has on his resume.
It's where you start the deal, do you start it from a position of strength or weakeness.
Cruz was onboard with the TPP deal, H1b expansion and the other turds he has on his resume.
Posted by: Kreplach at February 02, 2016 04:15 PM (sELnb)
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If Rush actually said that, then he's wrong.
Amnesty Boy sounds conservative at times, but on the big issues he'll sell out faster than a two dollar whore.
Amnesty Boy sounds conservative at times, but on the big issues he'll sell out faster than a two dollar whore.
Posted by: Blano at February 02, 2016 04:15 PM (TclTU)
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I don't think Limbaugh is advocating either way. Or will do so going forward.
As Rush has to explain to people when they accuse him of supporting Trump, he's calling the race like he sees it. No more, no less.
Definitely should be a clue to Trump that this line of attack is ill-advised and not working. Especially if he takes another loss.
As Rush has to explain to people when they accuse him of supporting Trump, he's calling the race like he sees it. No more, no less.
Definitely should be a clue to Trump that this line of attack is ill-advised and not working. Especially if he takes another loss.
Posted by: Hawkins1701 at February 02, 2016 04:16 PM (TZYqp)
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I noticed Levin started criticizing Trump about two weeks ago after defending him for months. I'm sure Hannity and Savage will stay on the bandwagon.
Posted by: Benji Carver at February 02, 2016 04:16 PM (OD2ni)
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**just a few minutes ago on the Howie Carr Show**
(paraphrasing) You know it was a really dirty trick that Cruz pulled by suggesting that Carson was dropping out of the race, because CNN said Carson was dropping out of the race. Really nasty. Really dirty.
Oh, my suggesting that Cruz is ineligible because he's a Canadian anchor baby... **crickets please**
(paraphrasing) You know it was a really dirty trick that Cruz pulled by suggesting that Carson was dropping out of the race, because CNN said Carson was dropping out of the race. Really nasty. Really dirty.
Oh, my suggesting that Cruz is ineligible because he's a Canadian anchor baby... **crickets please**
Posted by: D. Trump at February 02, 2016 04:16 PM (H9MG5)
Posted by: steevy at February 02, 2016 04:16 PM (8HTq1)
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If this thing were to come down to Cruz/Rubio we'd be in a pretty good spot, I think.
Posted by: MMW at February 02, 2016 04:16 PM (kt/h1)
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"Bring out your dead!"
Posted by: Max Power at February 02, 2016 04:16 PM (q177U)
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"Well yes -- we thought that was you were promising as well, Donald. If you're just going to cut deals with Reid, McConnell, and Pelosi, then what is the Point of You?"
Perfect, ace.
I favored Cruz, but was open to Trump winning until he started attacking Cruz using the same line of attack any leftist would (and will) use.
"Nobody in DC likes him!" is badge of honor in my book.
Perfect, ace.
I favored Cruz, but was open to Trump winning until he started attacking Cruz using the same line of attack any leftist would (and will) use.
"Nobody in DC likes him!" is badge of honor in my book.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at February 02, 2016 04:16 PM (u0lmX)
Posted by: Benji Carver at February 02, 2016 04:16 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 02, 2016 04:17 PM (kTF2Z)
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Sigh. Unitalic.
Posted by: zombie at February 02, 2016 04:17 PM (jBuUi)
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He also said that Trump lost Iowa because he attacked Cruz "like a liberal Democrat" -- which is, you know, True.
Herewith the basis of my pie-eyed optimism.
Trump's brand is that he's a winner who wins. His winning corroborates that he's a winner. We should rally to him to WIN!
He has just demonstrably not won.
Now that the winning! argument is hollow, what else is there?
I see blather, ego, Queens, petulance, thin skin, thin skin with orange on it, superficiality, bullying, and a marvelous hair ferret.
Gah! I hope this ends soon.
Herewith the basis of my pie-eyed optimism.
Trump's brand is that he's a winner who wins. His winning corroborates that he's a winner. We should rally to him to WIN!
He has just demonstrably not won.
Now that the winning! argument is hollow, what else is there?
I see blather, ego, Queens, petulance, thin skin, thin skin with orange on it, superficiality, bullying, and a marvelous hair ferret.
Gah! I hope this ends soon.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at February 02, 2016 04:17 PM (1xUj/)
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Yeah Rush is going I don't know where the fuck with this.
Rush is about Rush. Don't kid yourselves.
Rush is about Rush. Don't kid yourselves.
Posted by: eleven at February 02, 2016 04:17 PM (qUNWi)
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Rubio sold out pretty much every conservative in the country with his "amnesty, no wait, path to citizenship" schtick. His deeds made him an enemy, which makes his words mean nothing. At least with Trump he's never done anything to betray us, just said a lot of stuff.
Posted by: Flyguy at February 02, 2016 04:17 PM (r2qlt)
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Yeah, not going along with Limbaugh on this one. Amnesty isn't conservative, and Marco's shown he's 'adaptable.'
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 02, 2016 04:17 PM (oVJmc)
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>>>BTW....if Cruz is an Aspie or whatever...WTF does that make Hillary?
Posted by: eleven at February 02, 2016 04:14 PM (qUNWi)<<<
Alky... of course. **hic**
Posted by: eleven at February 02, 2016 04:14 PM (qUNWi)<<<
Alky... of course. **hic**
Posted by: Cankles! at February 02, 2016 04:18 PM (H9MG5)
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This was expected, wasn't it?
When Ace got his heart broken, I seem to remember him saying he was done carrying water, but didn't believe the "big" media guys were.
Or am I remembering incorrectly?
When Ace got his heart broken, I seem to remember him saying he was done carrying water, but didn't believe the "big" media guys were.
Or am I remembering incorrectly?
Posted by: Chupacabra at February 02, 2016 04:18 PM (kZVsz)
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I still can't trust Boobio.
Posted by: logprof at February 02, 2016 04:18 PM (vsbNu)
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Was a confusing day on Rush. (although tbh, I only listened to the first 30 minutes or so, but the commercials drive me away).
He said he liked Rubio's speech - and I tended to agree with the fact that Rubio came out first, energetic, and winner-like.
He also subtly backed Trump, or so it sounded to me.
while he kept saying he wasn't backing anyone atm
Was a confusing day on Rush. (although tbh, I only listened to the first 30 minutes or so, but the commercials drive me away).
He said he liked Rubio's speech - and I tended to agree with the fact that Rubio came out first, energetic, and winner-like.
He also subtly backed Trump, or so it sounded to me.
while he kept saying he wasn't backing anyone atm
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 02, 2016 04:19 PM (qCMvj)
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zombie - you really think Hillary will be the Democrat candidate?
I just don't see it. I think it will be someone out of left field, someone shiny and new that the Democrats can feel good about voting for (first something candidate, such as Hispanic, black female) with not much of a track record to pick apart.
I just don't see it. I think it will be someone out of left field, someone shiny and new that the Democrats can feel good about voting for (first something candidate, such as Hispanic, black female) with not much of a track record to pick apart.
Posted by: Lizzy at February 02, 2016 04:19 PM (NOIQH)
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It just dawned in me that Bernie Sanders looks EXACTLY like the totalitarian dictator on the screen in the classic Apple "1984" ad.
Prescient!
Prescient!
Posted by: zombie at February 02, 2016 04:19 PM (jBuUi)
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Who cares what Rush thinks - what did Edward Van Halen say about it?
Posted by: FredB at February 02, 2016 04:19 PM (MEBcM)
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Posted by: zombie at February 02, 2016 04:14 PM (jBuUi)
Trump's negatives in NY are sky high. Admittedly as a former resident I don't know for certain how the state would vote if his opponent is Hillary but I would bet a large sum of money that it would be Hillary. Trump does have the best chance of all the GOP candidates though.
Trump's negatives in NY are sky high. Admittedly as a former resident I don't know for certain how the state would vote if his opponent is Hillary but I would bet a large sum of money that it would be Hillary. Trump does have the best chance of all the GOP candidates though.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 02, 2016 04:19 PM (5FQVt)
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12 BTW....if Cruz is an Aspie or whatever...WTF does that make Hillary?
Posted by: eleven at February 02, 2016 04:14 PM (qUNWi)
What is an Aspie?
Posted by: eleven at February 02, 2016 04:14 PM (qUNWi)
What is an Aspie?
Posted by: jwb7605 at February 02, 2016 04:20 PM (DofIg)
Posted by: Lauren at February 02, 2016 04:20 PM (3DIzJ)
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I don't necessarily disagree with Rush, as I don't think Rubio is a Democrat as some people here label him. The problem is the gang of eight and now the denying of college men of due process. The former was practically politically unforgivable, and the latter just compounded his offense.
So there is no way I will be supporting him in the primary, and the main reason he will get my vote if you actually wins the primary would be because Hillary Clinton is such a vile criminal.
So there is no way I will be supporting him in the primary, and the main reason he will get my vote if you actually wins the primary would be because Hillary Clinton is such a vile criminal.
Posted by: chique testing testing at February 02, 2016 04:20 PM (uyrlv)
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I heard Rush doing this earlier today. Don't have much use for Rush, but of course acknowledge him as influential.
To your point: I think Trump needed to attack Cruz differently, but I'm not fazed by his saying he can make deals or what have you. I'm still at the GOPe delenda est end of things - kill the backstabbers first. Cruz will not do that even if he wants to. The mere fact of Trump as the nom - never mind president - accomplishes a great deal.
To your point: I think Trump needed to attack Cruz differently, but I'm not fazed by his saying he can make deals or what have you. I'm still at the GOPe delenda est end of things - kill the backstabbers first. Cruz will not do that even if he wants to. The mere fact of Trump as the nom - never mind president - accomplishes a great deal.
Posted by: Bigby's Coin Flip at February 02, 2016 04:20 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Rush at February 02, 2016 04:20 PM (OD2ni)
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Furthermore, he endeared himself to NY voters even more when he leapt to the state's defense against Cruz's "NY values" attack, and in the process Trump became NY's main defender and father figure.
Oh horseshit!
That was a telegraphed attack, they'd both played it out in the news cycle before the debate.
Cruz: NY values means liberal media and banks (which means Joos, but with a nod and a wink).
Trump: How dare you insult the brave first responders of 9/11?
I'm an ex-New Yorker. I hate Trump more because I've been hating him since the early 80s.
Oh horseshit!
That was a telegraphed attack, they'd both played it out in the news cycle before the debate.
Cruz: NY values means liberal media and banks (which means Joos, but with a nod and a wink).
Trump: How dare you insult the brave first responders of 9/11?
I'm an ex-New Yorker. I hate Trump more because I've been hating him since the early 80s.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at February 02, 2016 04:20 PM (1xUj/)
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Whenever I hear Rubio talk, I love the words that are coming out of his mouth.
Then, I look at his record and realize it's all horseshit.
In contrast, when Trump talks everything he says is bullshit, but it's obvious bullshit. He just thinks you're too stupid to catch on - which has turned out to be a pretty good strategy.
Then, I look at his record and realize it's all horseshit.
In contrast, when Trump talks everything he says is bullshit, but it's obvious bullshit. He just thinks you're too stupid to catch on - which has turned out to be a pretty good strategy.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at February 02, 2016 04:20 PM (1RNgT)
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Ace, you might as well admit your obsession with Rubio and the establishment led you to fall for Trump's act. He's no less of a clown now than he ever was.
I would have respected you more if you had said "Cruz or bust" from the outset.
I would have respected you more if you had said "Cruz or bust" from the outset.
Posted by: gewa76 at February 02, 2016 04:20 PM (9MbCY)
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35 zombie - you really think Hillary will be the Democrat candidate?
I just don't see it. I think it will be someone out of left field, someone shiny and new that the Democrats can feel good about voting for (first something candidate, such as Hispanic, black female) with not much of a track record to pick apart.
Posted by: Lizzy
Actually, no, at this point I'm thinking she will lose to Sanders.
Which makes me happy, because of all the unelectable candidates in the running, Sanders is the MOST unelectable.
Trump would demolish Sanders in any general election.
I just don't see it. I think it will be someone out of left field, someone shiny and new that the Democrats can feel good about voting for (first something candidate, such as Hispanic, black female) with not much of a track record to pick apart.
Posted by: Lizzy
Actually, no, at this point I'm thinking she will lose to Sanders.
Which makes me happy, because of all the unelectable candidates in the running, Sanders is the MOST unelectable.
Trump would demolish Sanders in any general election.
Posted by: zombie at February 02, 2016 04:21 PM (jBuUi)
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I have turned Limbaugh off when I've been in my car.
I was sick of his cheering Trump.i haven't listened in a few days & wait for Levin.
I was sick of his cheering Trump.i haven't listened in a few days & wait for Levin.
Posted by: Carol at February 02, 2016 04:21 PM (sj3Ax)
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>>Amnesty Boy sounds conservative at times, but on the big issues he'll sell out faster than a two dollar whore.
That's it --- he *sounds* conservative. His actions? Not so much.
That's it --- he *sounds* conservative. His actions? Not so much.
Posted by: Lizzy at February 02, 2016 04:21 PM (NOIQH)
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It's too late for it in 2016, but a candidate who would actually make deals as opposed to just giving the Democrats what they want would be a success. Too many of the "deals" of the past 16 years have been "we give you what you want now, you give us what our constituents want (we assure you, we don't want it) in four or five years, and maybe we'll revisit it so that it doesn't happen in four or five years either."
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at February 02, 2016 04:21 PM (2lndx)
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"12 BTW....if Cruz is an Aspie or whatever...WTF does that make Hillary?"
A fat, old, ugly, mean, dishonest drunk?
A fat, old, ugly, mean, dishonest drunk?
Posted by: Benji Carver at February 02, 2016 04:21 PM (OD2ni)
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Great points.
"I'll tell you, though, the last several weeks of watching Donald Trump attack Cruz as insufficiently willing to cut deals with liberal Democrat demagogues has really made me wonder what Trump's actual usefulness is here is."
Trump may have "lost" because of his bizarre tonal shift in last weeks.
So, what does trump believe and who are his friends and advisors?
maybe the anti-trump assholes are right, he's just a hillary plant.
"I'll tell you, though, the last several weeks of watching Donald Trump attack Cruz as insufficiently willing to cut deals with liberal Democrat demagogues has really made me wonder what Trump's actual usefulness is here is."
Trump may have "lost" because of his bizarre tonal shift in last weeks.
So, what does trump believe and who are his friends and advisors?
maybe the anti-trump assholes are right, he's just a hillary plant.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at February 02, 2016 04:21 PM (EjBTO)
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What's his throat full of? Leftard dick?
Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at February 02, 2016 04:21 PM (xWW96)
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Trump either wanted to win Iowa "at all costs" and his own internal polling showed that Cruz was ahead, and thus the "attacks"
or
Trump is trying to position himself as a Centrist, and is attacking what is perceived to be the Right Wing of the Republican Party to endear himself to "Centrists", or the so-called Reagan Democrats.
Not everyone finds Cruz's conservative philosophy attractive. Perhaps what Trump is thinking.
Per Ace, I don't think Trump has a bedrock political philosophy besides pragmatism.
or
Trump is trying to position himself as a Centrist, and is attacking what is perceived to be the Right Wing of the Republican Party to endear himself to "Centrists", or the so-called Reagan Democrats.
Not everyone finds Cruz's conservative philosophy attractive. Perhaps what Trump is thinking.
Per Ace, I don't think Trump has a bedrock political philosophy besides pragmatism.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...not Spartacus at February 02, 2016 04:22 PM (RFeQD)
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The "establishment" word really is a bit of a problem. Of course it's perfectly possible for those in the know to get the intended meaning. But that meaning doesn't have a very strong connection to the actual word,so it's not so good for convincing people and too easy to attack with sophistry.
I do agree that Rubio is a total establishment asshole given the meaning of the word that all of us who feel that way understand, just wish there was a better catchy way to describe it.
I do agree that Rubio is a total establishment asshole given the meaning of the word that all of us who feel that way understand, just wish there was a better catchy way to describe it.
Posted by: original signed at February 02, 2016 04:22 PM (3YEZa)
Posted by: Randy Westerfeld at February 02, 2016 04:22 PM (zp6Kj)
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Posted by: zombie at February 02, 2016 04:14 PM (jBuUi)
And if Trump cuts deals with Pelosi and Ryan and Reid, the Big Victory ("yay! we flipped NY state!") turns to ashes.
Oh, I know, I know, Trump's supporters will say "But we know he's not a conservative! He'll stand fast on immigration, which is the most important thing!" But will he? Really, can you trust him not to f us over on that? What principles has he held that he was not willing to flip on in the past?
The more I see of Trump the less I trust him.
And if Trump cuts deals with Pelosi and Ryan and Reid, the Big Victory ("yay! we flipped NY state!") turns to ashes.
Oh, I know, I know, Trump's supporters will say "But we know he's not a conservative! He'll stand fast on immigration, which is the most important thing!" But will he? Really, can you trust him not to f us over on that? What principles has he held that he was not willing to flip on in the past?
The more I see of Trump the less I trust him.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at February 02, 2016 04:22 PM (u0lmX)
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Yes, Ace! I've been getting increasingly shrill making this exact point. The guy who will say anything because it draws a crowd is NOT the person you should trust your future with. Hallelujah!
Next step: Realizing that an imperfection in ideology -- as long as you have one -- can be addressed in our system by placing adequate pressure on other branches of government. The President is not our King.
Come on, man, I know you can get there.
Next step: Realizing that an imperfection in ideology -- as long as you have one -- can be addressed in our system by placing adequate pressure on other branches of government. The President is not our King.
Come on, man, I know you can get there.
Posted by: DriveBy at February 02, 2016 04:22 PM (C9Vc8)
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Rush Limbaugh: Rubio is a Full-Throated Conservative
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Well someone just lost some credibility.
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Well someone just lost some credibility.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at February 02, 2016 04:22 PM (MbrzC)
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Rubio's dealings with Chuck Schumer demonstrated that he is both full-throated and completely lacking in any gag reflex.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 02, 2016 04:23 PM (noWW6)
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Dondi a full-throated conservative?
Bah.
The only full throats will be when Dondi does that thing that he promises not to do to us.
Bah.
The only full throats will be when Dondi does that thing that he promises not to do to us.
Posted by: Furious George at February 02, 2016 04:24 PM (3GAnN)
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And this was always the underlying risk of Cruz, his own personal qualities to one side. That he would be used as a stalking horse to take out Trump, only to be tossed away himself in favor of the GOPe pick -- which is apparently going to be Dondi.
And this was always the underlying risk of Cruz, his own personal qualities to one side. That he would be used as a stalking horse to take out Trump, only to be tossed away himself in favor of the GOPe pick -- which is apparently going to be Dondi.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 02, 2016 04:24 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Lauren at February 02, 2016 04:24 PM (3DIzJ)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 02, 2016 04:24 PM (oVJmc)
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With the Clinton-Sanders race heating up, does this mean that the "unaffiliated" New Hampshire voters, who are actually liberals, will be too busy to tamper with the Republican primary?
Posted by: Herman 999 Cain at February 02, 2016 04:24 PM (Ypc8j)
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I must not be a conservative. Oh well..A political party with Rubio as its leader is not a party for me.
Posted by: William Eaton at February 02, 2016 04:24 PM (q52Ma)
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>Rush: Rubio is a "legitimate full-throated conservative"
There you have it, folks. Cruz' claim to fame is going down in flames.
There you have it, folks. Cruz' claim to fame is going down in flames.
Posted by: rebel flounder at February 02, 2016 04:24 PM (3dOE/)
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Sorry, zombie, I just don't see NY going red. Even for Trump.
Posted by: Lauren at February 02, 2016 04:25 PM (3DIzJ)
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"I'm an ex-New Yorker. I hate Trump more because I've been hating him since the early 80s."
Ex-NY'er here as well. In my experience, NY'ers think he's a clown, although I did appreciate that Trump Tower had a public restroom on the first floor that was always kept spotless. Very convenient for exploring in that part of the City.
Ex-NY'er here as well. In my experience, NY'ers think he's a clown, although I did appreciate that Trump Tower had a public restroom on the first floor that was always kept spotless. Very convenient for exploring in that part of the City.
Posted by: Benji Carver at February 02, 2016 04:25 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: eleven at February 02, 2016 04:25 PM (qUNWi)
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What stage are we in now, anger or denial?
Posted by: JackStraw at February 02, 2016 04:25 PM (/tuJf)
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I'm an ex-New Yorker. I hate Trump more because I've been hating him since the early 80s.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016
That's because you are informed and engaged.
But most voters are uninformed and unengaged. They tend to vote for whoever is more "famous" -- the name-recognition factor.
People tend to choose the devil they know. Even if they are in the demographic of people who might tend to dislike or distrust Trump, they'll still vote for him over some unknown devil like Sanders or an even MORE unlikable demon like Hillary.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016
That's because you are informed and engaged.
But most voters are uninformed and unengaged. They tend to vote for whoever is more "famous" -- the name-recognition factor.
People tend to choose the devil they know. Even if they are in the demographic of people who might tend to dislike or distrust Trump, they'll still vote for him over some unknown devil like Sanders or an even MORE unlikable demon like Hillary.
Posted by: zombie at February 02, 2016 04:25 PM (jBuUi)
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>>>Looking past the nomination process to the general election, I feel that Trump (and Trump alone) has a strong chance of flipping NY State from D to R on election night in November.
Trump is a NY native son, and is most more popular and well-known in New York than he is even in the rest of flyover country. His name recognition in NY is 100% -- not 99%, but 100%. Even the rats and cockroaches know who Trump is.
...
yeah i have (Longshot) hopes for such a thing, or at least maybe a flip of Pennsylvania.
However, Iowa was a test of Trump's crossover appeal. That test failed to show much appeal.
NH will be another test. we'll see.
Also, Trump is sort of a red handle you pull down in case of emergency, if you think you can't win the election unless there is a major change (and shift in the party's profile).
The weaker hillary is ( i assume the socialist sanders is weak already), the more one can gamble on NOT gambling, that is, put up a hard conservative like cruz.
Trump is a NY native son, and is most more popular and well-known in New York than he is even in the rest of flyover country. His name recognition in NY is 100% -- not 99%, but 100%. Even the rats and cockroaches know who Trump is.
...
yeah i have (Longshot) hopes for such a thing, or at least maybe a flip of Pennsylvania.
However, Iowa was a test of Trump's crossover appeal. That test failed to show much appeal.
NH will be another test. we'll see.
Also, Trump is sort of a red handle you pull down in case of emergency, if you think you can't win the election unless there is a major change (and shift in the party's profile).
The weaker hillary is ( i assume the socialist sanders is weak already), the more one can gamble on NOT gambling, that is, put up a hard conservative like cruz.
Posted by: ace at February 02, 2016 04:25 PM (dciA+)
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Meh.
The Aspie thing about Cruz is tiresome.
and silly if you've ever known someone with Asperger's.
It's just a more insulting way to say "nerd"-
for those who lack confidence about their own intelligence,
when confronted by someone really smart like Cruz.
The Aspie thing about Cruz is tiresome.
and silly if you've ever known someone with Asperger's.
It's just a more insulting way to say "nerd"-
for those who lack confidence about their own intelligence,
when confronted by someone really smart like Cruz.
Posted by: naturalfake at February 02, 2016 04:25 PM (0cMkb)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 02, 2016 04:26 PM (wCF3s)
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1. NYers do not especially care for Trump, he is note highly regarded in real estate, no one in ny is going to vote r because Trump is there.
2. only a fucking idiot thinks "new york values" refers to jews in any way. everyone outside nyc thinks ny is a shithole or you have to be crazy to live there or both.
2. only a fucking idiot thinks "new york values" refers to jews in any way. everyone outside nyc thinks ny is a shithole or you have to be crazy to live there or both.
Posted by: yankeefifth at February 02, 2016 04:26 PM (vb33c)
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Dondi a full-throated conservative?
Posted by: Furious George
I could point you towards a few hundred thousand words published in just the last week arguing that, but it's all utter pants -- so I just wouldn't bother if I was you.
Dondi a full-throated conservative?
Posted by: Furious George
I could point you towards a few hundred thousand words published in just the last week arguing that, but it's all utter pants -- so I just wouldn't bother if I was you.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 02, 2016 04:26 PM (kdS6q)
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IMO Cruz won his Senate race in Texas because his opponent attacked him like a Leftist would. That type of attack swayed the undecideds to vote Cruz.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 02, 2016 04:26 PM (5FQVt)
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I have questions about Cruz's electability, and I have questions about Trump's judgment and commitment to important principles. And his electability.
I have questions about ALL of them being 'electable'. We have to pick the best person and roll the dice at this point.
I have questions about ALL of them being 'electable'. We have to pick the best person and roll the dice at this point.
Posted by: Lea at February 02, 2016 04:26 PM (lIU4e)
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But what was really bothering me is Trump's conception of the theory of his candidacy as the Do Business With Democrats candidate.
No thanks. We have Marco Rubio for that already. -Ace-
I think people just assume that a businessman like Trump would make deals that are better.
We've already seen how Rubio can get rolled in the Senate, and by whom. There won't be a good "deal" for the American people coming from such as a president Rubio.
We (I) don't know anything about Trump's ability to make a deal, or who it would benefit more. He is a wild card, and that has been his biggest selling point.
No thanks. We have Marco Rubio for that already. -Ace-
I think people just assume that a businessman like Trump would make deals that are better.
We've already seen how Rubio can get rolled in the Senate, and by whom. There won't be a good "deal" for the American people coming from such as a president Rubio.
We (I) don't know anything about Trump's ability to make a deal, or who it would benefit more. He is a wild card, and that has been his biggest selling point.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 02, 2016 04:26 PM (kKHcp)
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So we're going to discount Trump because he brags about making deals with the democrats and embrace Rubio because he makes deals with the democrats.
I thought the knock on Rubio was his immigration/amnesty deal with the democrats but all I know is what I read on the internet.
I thought the knock on Rubio was his immigration/amnesty deal with the democrats but all I know is what I read on the internet.
Posted by: Willburn Sooner at February 02, 2016 04:27 PM (P3GWR)
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deals will get done regardless. let's stick with the guys who get rolled every time. they say conservativey stuff and that they'll do better next time!
Posted by: x at February 02, 2016 04:27 PM (nFwvY)
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Maybe the rats and cockroaches can carry Trump to victory, or at least the ashbin of history.
Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at February 02, 2016 04:27 PM (xWW96)
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He may very well be conservative.
But .... if he is.... he is willing to sell that conservatism away for paths to legalization and Gang of 8 capitulations.
pass
He may very well be conservative.
But .... if he is.... he is willing to sell that conservatism away for paths to legalization and Gang of 8 capitulations.
pass
Posted by: fixerupper at February 02, 2016 04:27 PM (8XRCm)
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If, say, Marco is totally and thoroughly awful at "doing business with" Democrats, given an idea of giving them everything *they* want, and Trump's idea of doing business with them might involve something more, there might still be a point to Don El of Krypton. If one reaches across the aisle to get in range of the other guy's pocket, is it the same thing?
Posted by: Sporkatus at February 02, 2016 04:27 PM (HtLSE)
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In my experience, NY'ers think he's a clown, although I did appreciate that Trump Tower had a public restroom on the first floor that was always kept spotless. Very convenient for exploring in that part of the City.
There is that. Also the Wollman Rink.
After that, crickets.
There is that. Also the Wollman Rink.
After that, crickets.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at February 02, 2016 04:27 PM (1xUj/)
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"68 Sorry, zombie, I just don't see NY going red. Even for Trump.
Posted by: Lauren"
Sadly agree. NY will vote for anyone with a D after their name. A good chunk of potential Republican voters have left the state over the past few decades for better opportunities elsewhere. The days of an Al D'amato or Reagan winning statewide in NY are over.
Posted by: Lauren"
Sadly agree. NY will vote for anyone with a D after their name. A good chunk of potential Republican voters have left the state over the past few decades for better opportunities elsewhere. The days of an Al D'amato or Reagan winning statewide in NY are over.
Posted by: Benji Carver at February 02, 2016 04:27 PM (OD2ni)
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Hrmph.
I have to agree. Once again my big hope against the forces of cultural Marxism and corrupt political calcification crashes and burns. Seriously, it's almost as if we're going to have to fight these battles at the grass roots level, rather than entrusting it to a national figure of any stripe...
I have to agree. Once again my big hope against the forces of cultural Marxism and corrupt political calcification crashes and burns. Seriously, it's almost as if we're going to have to fight these battles at the grass roots level, rather than entrusting it to a national figure of any stripe...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at February 02, 2016 04:28 PM (9krrF)
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"Well yes -- we thought that was you were promising as well, Donald. If you're just going to cut deals with Reid, McConnell, and Pelosi, then what is the Point of You?"
Also, do you notice that Trump is almost assuming he will need Democrat votes?
Why no mention of Ryan?
Why no mention of Tea party caucus?
Its like he's more comfortable with Democrats.
Also, do you notice that Trump is almost assuming he will need Democrat votes?
Why no mention of Ryan?
Why no mention of Tea party caucus?
Its like he's more comfortable with Democrats.
Posted by: Harun at February 02, 2016 04:28 PM (UBBWX)
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Dondi a full-throated conservative?
Well...to be fair, Rubio is a conservative whose throat has often been full -
during his meetings with Chuck Schumer.
Well...to be fair, Rubio is a conservative whose throat has often been full -
during his meetings with Chuck Schumer.
Posted by: naturalfake at February 02, 2016 04:28 PM (0cMkb)
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Stripping the constitutional right of men on college campus. Totes conservative.
Posted by: Buzzion at February 02, 2016 04:28 PM (z/Ubi)
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He's not entirely wrong - Rubio is mostly conservative and far more than anyone below him in the polls, but he's got a fatal flaw.
Rubio is like a big beautiful juicy steak just off the grill smeared with butter to make it shine and taste just right, a baked potato all fluffy with butter and sour cream, a frosty cold beverage, and then the chef took a big crap on the plate, a loaf of turd right in the middle.
No matter how good the rest of that stuff was? Now its all just a turd.
Rubio is like a big beautiful juicy steak just off the grill smeared with butter to make it shine and taste just right, a baked potato all fluffy with butter and sour cream, a frosty cold beverage, and then the chef took a big crap on the plate, a loaf of turd right in the middle.
No matter how good the rest of that stuff was? Now its all just a turd.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 02, 2016 04:28 PM (39g3+)
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I think all these factors are more than enough to flip 10%-ish of NY
voters to Trump in the general election, which would b enough to put the
entire state in the GOP column in the electoral college.
And with that fact alone, the election is simply over{/i] - Trump wins easily nationwide.
OK. Then we've got what, President Trump? He's admitted he's pandering on the wall and I doubt his SCOTUS picks would be much different than Hillary's so what have we gained? "Our" thin skinned narcissist in the White House?
No thanks.
voters to Trump in the general election, which would b enough to put the
entire state in the GOP column in the electoral college.
And with that fact alone, the election is simply over{/i] - Trump wins easily nationwide.
OK. Then we've got what, President Trump? He's admitted he's pandering on the wall and I doubt his SCOTUS picks would be much different than Hillary's so what have we gained? "Our" thin skinned narcissist in the White House?
No thanks.
Posted by: Weirddave at February 02, 2016 04:28 PM (N8hFs)
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If you think Trump is going to flip NY just because he's from there, you've got another thing coming. Romney was gov. of MA, and did a pretty decent job in terms of an R in a blue state and he lost spectacularly here.
Posted by: Flyguy at February 02, 2016 04:28 PM (r2qlt)
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I go over to NRO, read French and McCarthy, start nodding off, and then remember why I never visit NRO. That and the horrible site design.
Posted by: bjk at February 02, 2016 04:29 PM (x2rNW)
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Bernie and Reuben shiver in fright, Hillary's plans to tombstone them in the Granite State making their bowels open and close like antique bellows.
RK: "Oh no! What have I gotten into? I'm too young to die!"
Bernie: "You're as old as the hills!"
RK: "My leisure suit gives me the illusion of youth and hipness!"
Bernie: "You're as hip as 1975! By the way, where do you get those? I kind of like it."
Before Reuben can reply they hear the sound of a bus seat being torn to shreds.
HRC: "You! That's you both! No one is taking away my pretty!"
RK: "I didn't want to have to do this."
Bernie: "Do what? what are you babbling about man? She's gonna Foster us!"
RK: "Years ago Bonaduce said I stole money from the band. I denied it and he threatened me so I had a security system installed. Turns out I never did have to use it."
Bernie: "An alarm? We're dead. Fort Marcy Park here we come."
RK: "No, not an alarm," he says as he presses a button and cowers. "An animatronic Shirley Jones."
A panel in the floor of the bus opens and a long slab rises as "C'mon Get Happy" starts to play.
RK: "Oh no! What have I gotten into? I'm too young to die!"
Bernie: "You're as old as the hills!"
RK: "My leisure suit gives me the illusion of youth and hipness!"
Bernie: "You're as hip as 1975! By the way, where do you get those? I kind of like it."
Before Reuben can reply they hear the sound of a bus seat being torn to shreds.
HRC: "You! That's you both! No one is taking away my pretty!"
RK: "I didn't want to have to do this."
Bernie: "Do what? what are you babbling about man? She's gonna Foster us!"
RK: "Years ago Bonaduce said I stole money from the band. I denied it and he threatened me so I had a security system installed. Turns out I never did have to use it."
Bernie: "An alarm? We're dead. Fort Marcy Park here we come."
RK: "No, not an alarm," he says as he presses a button and cowers. "An animatronic Shirley Jones."
A panel in the floor of the bus opens and a long slab rises as "C'mon Get Happy" starts to play.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - ReFit your Conniptions at the Outrage Outlet! at February 02, 2016 04:29 PM (hLRSq)
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>>So we're going to discount Trump because he brags about making deals with the democrats and embrace Rubio because he makes deals with the democrats.
The whole deal thing is idiotic. Our entire system is based on making deals and we are supposed to be shocked when someone says they can do it better?
I just don't happen to believe Trump would make better deals because he is a liberal democrat and has been all my life.
The whole deal thing is idiotic. Our entire system is based on making deals and we are supposed to be shocked when someone says they can do it better?
I just don't happen to believe Trump would make better deals because he is a liberal democrat and has been all my life.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 02, 2016 04:29 PM (/tuJf)
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That he would be used as a stalking horse to take out Trump, only to be
tossed away himself in favor of the GOPe pick -- which is apparently
going to be Dondi.
The reason I've never been advocating for
Cruz is that I've never believed he could withstand the assault by the
Media and the Party. It won't be fair, it won't be honest, it won't be a
debate, it will be character assassination and smear. And the Media will decide how the public hears your response.
Trump, at least, can (or could) beat the media cycle.
tossed away himself in favor of the GOPe pick -- which is apparently
going to be Dondi.
The reason I've never been advocating for
Cruz is that I've never believed he could withstand the assault by the
Media and the Party. It won't be fair, it won't be honest, it won't be a
debate, it will be character assassination and smear. And the Media will decide how the public hears your response.
Trump, at least, can (or could) beat the media cycle.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 02, 2016 04:29 PM (oVJmc)
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Having read the transcript, this is less an about-face endorsement of Rubio and more Rush trying to make a point about the slate generally.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 02, 2016 04:30 PM (xuouz)
100
Posted by: Buzzion at February 02, 2016 04:28 PM (z/Ubi)
----
Youre a dead guy. Arent you supposed to be a Democrat now??
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Youre a dead guy. Arent you supposed to be a Democrat now??
Posted by: fixerupper at February 02, 2016 04:30 PM (8XRCm)
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Sorry but Rush Limbaugh lost me years ago. Project Chaos put 0bama in the white house and he doesn't realize when the big city democrats of Iowa run their own project chaos to push Rubio?
Sorry Rush, but your value as a political commentator is gone. Just sell books. And tea.
Sorry Rush, but your value as a political commentator is gone. Just sell books. And tea.
Posted by: ugg boots at February 02, 2016 04:30 PM (fbovC)
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Did Lowry say to himself "NRO needs some lawyers to replace Steyn and Derbyshire. That'll really bring in the clicks!" French and McCarthy are lawyers who write like lawyer. Not a good combination. And Williamson isn't much better.
Posted by: bjk at February 02, 2016 04:30 PM (x2rNW)
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Ace, you might as well admit your obsession with Rubio and the establishment led you to fall for Trump's act. He's no less of a clown now than he ever was.
I would have respected you more if you had said "Cruz or bust" from the outset.
Posted by: gewa76 at February 02, 2016 04:20 PM (9MbCY)
Clearly, you don't come here often. If you do, you either don't actually pay attention to share Ace writes our understand it.
Although Ace does have a moderate case of RDS.
I would have respected you more if you had said "Cruz or bust" from the outset.
Posted by: gewa76 at February 02, 2016 04:20 PM (9MbCY)
Clearly, you don't come here often. If you do, you either don't actually pay attention to share Ace writes our understand it.
Although Ace does have a moderate case of RDS.
Posted by: chique testing testing at February 02, 2016 04:30 PM (uyrlv)
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I got an email from Cruz last night, sent to me by the "Mitt Romney for President" group.
Yeah, he's not establishment at all.
Yeah, he's not establishment at all.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 02, 2016 04:31 PM (mbf8y)
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The more I see of Trump the less I trust him.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at February 02, 2016 04:22 PM (u0lmX)
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I don't trust any of them.
Teddybears and soccer balls
Teddybears and soccer balls
Teddybears and soccer balls
The more I see of Trump the less I trust him.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at February 02, 2016 04:22 PM (u0lmX)
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I don't trust any of them.
Teddybears and soccer balls
Teddybears and soccer balls
Teddybears and soccer balls
Posted by: Soona at February 02, 2016 04:31 PM (Fmupd)
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No, Rush Revere is his big selling point.
I've also stopped listening to Howie Carr because he loves Trump too.
I've also stopped listening to Howie Carr because he loves Trump too.
Posted by: Carol at February 02, 2016 04:31 PM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 02, 2016 04:31 PM (oVJmc)
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Posted by: joeclark77 at February 02, 2016 04:15 PM (1A5DQ)
Angel Barrio.
Oops! Thought the media vetted Rubio.
Angel Barrio.
Oops! Thought the media vetted Rubio.
Posted by: Rick Tingles at February 02, 2016 04:31 PM (rwt9d)
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43: rush revere! buy something!
Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 02, 2016 04:31 PM (ucDmr)
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Actually, it's more like Rubio fanboy DS.
Posted by: chique testing testing at February 02, 2016 04:31 PM (uyrlv)
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90
Dondi a full-throated conservative?
Well...to be fair, Rubio is a conservative whose throat has often been full -
during his meetings with Chuck Schumer.
Posted by: naturalfake at February 02, 2016 04:28 PM (0cMkb)
You might have finally stumbled on an Amy-Schumer-proof joke.
Dondi a full-throated conservative?
Well...to be fair, Rubio is a conservative whose throat has often been full -
during his meetings with Chuck Schumer.
Posted by: naturalfake at February 02, 2016 04:28 PM (0cMkb)
You might have finally stumbled on an Amy-Schumer-proof joke.
Posted by: rebel flounder at February 02, 2016 04:31 PM (3dOE/)
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I have as much faith in Trump governing as a conservative as I would Soros coming out on the GOP ticket and running as a conservative. I can picture the evil old bastard waving a Torah around....
Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at February 02, 2016 04:32 PM (xWW96)
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I heard this today on Rush. He was more accepting of Rubio's conservative credentials than I've heard in the past, and said there are 2 or 3 candidates he would be glad to vote for...though he didn't name them. I'm assuming Cruz and Rubio, but not sure who the third might be. Trump? Paul?
He did take some subtle hits at Trump, and his tactics. Basically said he was a narcissist, and cut himself off mid-word.
Why does Donald Trump call himself a Republican? I really have no solid answer.
He did take some subtle hits at Trump, and his tactics. Basically said he was a narcissist, and cut himself off mid-word.
Why does Donald Trump call himself a Republican? I really have no solid answer.
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at February 02, 2016 04:32 PM (pVkEV)
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BTW....if Cruz is an Aspie or whatever...WTF does that make Hillary?
Posted by: eleven at February 02, 2016 04:14 PM (qUNWi)
...............
an Ass-Pie?
BTW....if Cruz is an Aspie or whatever...WTF does that make Hillary?
Posted by: eleven at February 02, 2016 04:14 PM (qUNWi)
...............
an Ass-Pie?
Posted by: wth at February 02, 2016 04:32 PM (HgMAr)
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/pulling red handle
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at February 02, 2016 04:32 PM (MbrzC)
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93
I'm frankly most terrified of Trump's potential SCOTUS picks. It's hard enough to get decent justices. I can guarantee that he will nominate a friend/associate/business partner and say "trust me." When conservatives resist, he'd lose his temper and push the nomination through regardless with Democrat votes.
I'm frankly most terrified of Trump's potential SCOTUS picks. It's hard enough to get decent justices. I can guarantee that he will nominate a friend/associate/business partner and say "trust me." When conservatives resist, he'd lose his temper and push the nomination through regardless with Democrat votes.
Posted by: Naes at February 02, 2016 04:33 PM (Ypc8j)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 02, 2016 04:33 PM (oVJmc)
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Iowa was a test of Trump's crossover appeal. That test failed to show much appeal.
Posted by: ace
As mentioned in the last thread, going off an NBC Iowa exit poll, the crossover effect is there -- new caucus voters, more blue collar and such. But while marginally significant, it wasn't decisive in a multi-ball pinball game of a race.
Iowa was a test of Trump's crossover appeal. That test failed to show much appeal.
Posted by: ace
As mentioned in the last thread, going off an NBC Iowa exit poll, the crossover effect is there -- new caucus voters, more blue collar and such. But while marginally significant, it wasn't decisive in a multi-ball pinball game of a race.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 02, 2016 04:33 PM (kdS6q)
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I just don't happen to believe Trump would make better deals because he is a liberal democrat and has been all my life.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 02, 2016 04:29 PM (/tuJf)
So what, if he's still willing to clean up the messes across the bureaucracy? Why didn't he just run as a democrat?
And what difference, at this point, does it make, if he's really just another flavor of global socialism? What makes him *worse* than Hillary or Bernie? At the very least he'll bring in his own lackeys.
All of this assumes Cruz and Rubio won't win. I don't think Rubio would want to. And I don't think Cruz can.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 02, 2016 04:29 PM (/tuJf)
So what, if he's still willing to clean up the messes across the bureaucracy? Why didn't he just run as a democrat?
And what difference, at this point, does it make, if he's really just another flavor of global socialism? What makes him *worse* than Hillary or Bernie? At the very least he'll bring in his own lackeys.
All of this assumes Cruz and Rubio won't win. I don't think Rubio would want to. And I don't think Cruz can.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 02, 2016 04:33 PM (xuouz)
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how would anyone trust rubio after his gang of 8 treachery?
Posted by: yankeefifth at February 02, 2016 04:33 PM (vb33c)
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However, Iowa was a test of Trump's crossover appeal. That test failed to show much appeal.
NH will be another test. we'll see.
*****
Missing point is Iowa GOP numbers surged ahead of 2012's surge. Trump did that, right?
Even so, with the above contradiction, assuming cruz/trump represent policy preference of anti-immigration worse than hitler fash etc etc, that's 52% of vote, which is huge, considering Rubio downplayed being a sucker in the Senate and up played the mythical version of him (and then the also rans got their votes too for whatever purpose they serve).
Trump will have to buy ground game bc there's no such thing as a broken glass voter.
NH will be another test. we'll see.
*****
Missing point is Iowa GOP numbers surged ahead of 2012's surge. Trump did that, right?
Even so, with the above contradiction, assuming cruz/trump represent policy preference of anti-immigration worse than hitler fash etc etc, that's 52% of vote, which is huge, considering Rubio downplayed being a sucker in the Senate and up played the mythical version of him (and then the also rans got their votes too for whatever purpose they serve).
Trump will have to buy ground game bc there's no such thing as a broken glass voter.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at February 02, 2016 04:33 PM (EjBTO)
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Cruz: NY values means liberal media and banks (which means Joos, but with a nod and a wink).
*sniff*
Smells like there's a storm front moving through. Racism heavy at times with gusts of hatred up to 50 mph.
*sniff*
Smells like there's a storm front moving through. Racism heavy at times with gusts of hatred up to 50 mph.
Posted by: Weirddave at February 02, 2016 04:33 PM (N8hFs)
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46 Ace, you might as well admit your obsession with Rubio and the establishment led you to fall for Trump's act. He's no less of a clown now than he ever was.
I would have respected you more if you had said "Cruz or bust" from the outset.
Posted by: gewa76 at February 02, 2016 04:20 PM (9MbCY)
Yeah, I agree with most of this post--but there's nothing new in the last few days to have switched to this position vs. "Trump, Cruz, or bust."
The same with Limbaugh. I like Rubio more than most people here, but I get what people are saying when they call him part of the establishment. Anybody who's been comfortable with Mike Murphy in the past is somebody I have to be at least a little wary of.
I would have respected you more if you had said "Cruz or bust" from the outset.
Posted by: gewa76 at February 02, 2016 04:20 PM (9MbCY)
Yeah, I agree with most of this post--but there's nothing new in the last few days to have switched to this position vs. "Trump, Cruz, or bust."
The same with Limbaugh. I like Rubio more than most people here, but I get what people are saying when they call him part of the establishment. Anybody who's been comfortable with Mike Murphy in the past is somebody I have to be at least a little wary of.
Posted by: AD at February 02, 2016 04:34 PM (QWY55)
Posted by: eleven at February 02, 2016 04:34 PM (qUNWi)
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The weaker hillary is ( i assume the socialist sanders is weak already), the more one can gamble on NOT gambling, that is, put up a hard conservative like cruz.
Posted by: ace
Don't get me wrong -- personally, I'm a Cruz voter all the way. I'm just speculating on an overlooked "strategic decision" that many people might make to vote for Trump in the primaries, even if they don't particularly care for him. If they figure he alone has a chance to win the general, because of the NY factor, some might flip to him just for that reason alone.
But actually, in voting-booth reality, how many people "vote strategically"? Maybe it's just something that pundits dreamt up and HOPED average shmoes might do - - but which no one actually ever does. Maybe everyone just votes for the candidate they like, with no sophisticated strategic inflections.
Posted by: ace
Don't get me wrong -- personally, I'm a Cruz voter all the way. I'm just speculating on an overlooked "strategic decision" that many people might make to vote for Trump in the primaries, even if they don't particularly care for him. If they figure he alone has a chance to win the general, because of the NY factor, some might flip to him just for that reason alone.
But actually, in voting-booth reality, how many people "vote strategically"? Maybe it's just something that pundits dreamt up and HOPED average shmoes might do - - but which no one actually ever does. Maybe everyone just votes for the candidate they like, with no sophisticated strategic inflections.
Posted by: zombie at February 02, 2016 04:34 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at February 02, 2016 04:34 PM (4WhSY)
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I got an email from Cruz last night, sent to me by the "Mitt Romney for President" group.
Wait, was it from Cruz or from Mitt Romney for President? I mean did Cruz sign it or something?
Wait, was it from Cruz or from Mitt Romney for President? I mean did Cruz sign it or something?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 02, 2016 04:34 PM (39g3+)
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"He also said that Trump lost Iowa because he attacked Cruz "like a liberal Democrat" -- which is, you know, True.
Trump's brand was -- I thought -- to kick the Washington layabouts and con artists in the ass."
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Let's see if he can learn from his mistakes and change course.
Trump's main source of popularity is his anger against open borders and illegal immigration. If he wants to win he should go with that and push it to the max.
Trump's brand was -- I thought -- to kick the Washington layabouts and con artists in the ass."
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Let's see if he can learn from his mistakes and change course.
Trump's main source of popularity is his anger against open borders and illegal immigration. If he wants to win he should go with that and push it to the max.
Posted by: Decaf at February 02, 2016 04:34 PM (zG5u3)
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Iowa was a test of Trump's crossover appeal. That test failed to show much appeal.
Posted by: ace
more of a test of his campaign strategy.
Posted by: ace
more of a test of his campaign strategy.
Posted by: yankeefifth at February 02, 2016 04:34 PM (vb33c)
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I used to love Rubio, in the beginning.
But he proved to be green, and malleable.
He's so easily persuaded it seems.
He just blew it with the immigration issue. The big glaring mistake - he actually told the truth.
I used to love Rubio, in the beginning.
But he proved to be green, and malleable.
He's so easily persuaded it seems.
He just blew it with the immigration issue. The big glaring mistake - he actually told the truth.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 02, 2016 04:35 PM (qCMvj)
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Did Lowry say to himself "NRO needs some lawyers to replace Steyn and Derbyshire. That'll really bring in the clicks!" French and McCarthy are lawyers who write like lawyer. Not a good combination. And Williamson isn't much better.
Posted by: bjk at February 02, 2016 04:30 PM (x2rNW)
French and McCarthy are good, IMO, especially French.
I wanted to marry Williamson's writing, but that was before his extreme case of TDS got the better of him. He even wrote an anti-Trump book!
Posted by: bjk at February 02, 2016 04:30 PM (x2rNW)
French and McCarthy are good, IMO, especially French.
I wanted to marry Williamson's writing, but that was before his extreme case of TDS got the better of him. He even wrote an anti-Trump book!
Posted by: chique testing testing at February 02, 2016 04:35 PM (uyrlv)
Posted by: RioBravo at February 02, 2016 04:35 PM (NUqwG)
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"I go over to NRO, read French and McCarthy, start nodding off, and then remember why I never visit NRO. That and the horrible site design.
Posted by: bjk at February 02, 2016 04:29 PM"
Isn't it pathetic? That site is constantly reloading and takes forever to read anything because of the crappy design. Maybe they could fix it if I bought more wine from them. I stopped going there.
Posted by: bjk at February 02, 2016 04:29 PM"
Isn't it pathetic? That site is constantly reloading and takes forever to read anything because of the crappy design. Maybe they could fix it if I bought more wine from them. I stopped going there.
Posted by: Benji Carver at February 02, 2016 04:35 PM (OD2ni)
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"It's just a more insulting way to say "nerd"-
for those who lack confidence about their own intelligence,
when confronted by someone really smart like Cruz.
"
Guys. Seriously. I'm not saying that Cruz is autistic to be insulting. I'm saying he's autistic because I'm married to a man who is just like Cruz. And if he were a kid today, he'd be diagnosed as autistic. And our son? Also autistic. Also just like Cruz.
And yes, you will indeed see a lot of autistic characteristics in geniuses? Why? Because they are autistic. Being autistic doesn't mean you aren't a competent and successful person who has a family and friends.
It's not an insult. My entire point that Cruz hyper focused on data to the point of obsession to win the election. That fixation is what makes him "electable" because he sees patterns and is able to manipulate them to grab more votes.
This is all very good for him and us.
for those who lack confidence about their own intelligence,
when confronted by someone really smart like Cruz.
"
Guys. Seriously. I'm not saying that Cruz is autistic to be insulting. I'm saying he's autistic because I'm married to a man who is just like Cruz. And if he were a kid today, he'd be diagnosed as autistic. And our son? Also autistic. Also just like Cruz.
And yes, you will indeed see a lot of autistic characteristics in geniuses? Why? Because they are autistic. Being autistic doesn't mean you aren't a competent and successful person who has a family and friends.
It's not an insult. My entire point that Cruz hyper focused on data to the point of obsession to win the election. That fixation is what makes him "electable" because he sees patterns and is able to manipulate them to grab more votes.
This is all very good for him and us.
Posted by: Lauren at February 02, 2016 04:36 PM (3DIzJ)
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"When Ace got his heart broken, I seem to remember him saying he was done carrying water, but didn't believe the "big" media guys were."
If he doesn't write about these guys then what? You can't run a blog on Margaret Cho jokes - though Amy Schumer is willing to try.
If he doesn't write about these guys then what? You can't run a blog on Margaret Cho jokes - though Amy Schumer is willing to try.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - ReFit your Conniptions at the Outrage Outlet! at February 02, 2016 04:36 PM (hLRSq)
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t won't be fair, it won't be honest, it won't be a
debate, it will be character assassination and smear. And the Media will decide how the public hears your response.
Trump, at least, can (or could) beat the media cycle.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel
and all the people that say where Cruz was born is not an issue will learn otherwise. it is if the dems and media make it one and they will. and it won't be fair but life is not fair.
debate, it will be character assassination and smear. And the Media will decide how the public hears your response.
Trump, at least, can (or could) beat the media cycle.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel
and all the people that say where Cruz was born is not an issue will learn otherwise. it is if the dems and media make it one and they will. and it won't be fair but life is not fair.
Posted by: x at February 02, 2016 04:36 PM (nFwvY)
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Trump wants to kick the Washington con artists out, and replace them with a New York con artist.
Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at February 02, 2016 04:36 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: Ralph at February 02, 2016 04:37 PM (PMkYS)
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The weaker hillary is ( i assume the socialist sanders is weak already), the more one can gamble on NOT gambling, that is, put up a hard conservative like cruz.
Posted by: ace at February 02, 2016 04:25 PM (dciA+)
exactly
it is the GOP's to lose again
They can really be brave here, instead of wimping out (like Turtle is already doing, the country and to the party by his recent statement that he won't fight TFG, coward)
Posted by: ace at February 02, 2016 04:25 PM (dciA+)
exactly
it is the GOP's to lose again
They can really be brave here, instead of wimping out (like Turtle is already doing, the country and to the party by his recent statement that he won't fight TFG, coward)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 02, 2016 04:37 PM (qCMvj)
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Cruz: NY values means liberal media and banks (which means Joos, but with a nod and a wink).
People outside of NYC aren't actually all that focused on 'the joos' for the most part. I think I went to high school with one jewish person, and he was a Christian. All the stereotypes I knew came from tv.
People outside of NYC aren't actually all that focused on 'the joos' for the most part. I think I went to high school with one jewish person, and he was a Christian. All the stereotypes I knew came from tv.
Posted by: Lea at February 02, 2016 04:37 PM (lIU4e)
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I'm frankly most terrified of Trump's potential SCOTUS picks. It's hard enough to get decent justices. I can guarantee that he will nominate a friend/associate/business partner and say "trust me." When conservatives resist, he'd lose his temper and push the nomination through regardless with Democrat votes.
God forbid we miss out on the chance to get more rock ribbed conservatives like John Roberts, David Souter, and Anthony Kennedy on the court.
God forbid we miss out on the chance to get more rock ribbed conservatives like John Roberts, David Souter, and Anthony Kennedy on the court.
Posted by: Jake at February 02, 2016 04:37 PM (cE4FA)
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I got an email from Cruz last night, sent to me by the "Mitt Romney for President" group.
What email address sent it? I can't find it in all the junk email I get from the campaigns, and I'd like to see it.
What email address sent it? I can't find it in all the junk email I get from the campaigns, and I'd like to see it.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at February 02, 2016 04:37 PM (2lndx)
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The youtube video from the sidebar of a town meeting in Germany is pretty funny. It seems little kids are getting sexually harassed by migrants as they walk to school. The town mayor suggests the kids walk some other way to school. The voters have a different solution.
Posted by: MTF at February 02, 2016 04:37 PM (TxJGV)
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"I'm frankly most terrified of Trump's potential SCOTUS picks. It's hard enough to get decent justices. I can guarantee that he will nominate a friend/associate/business partner and say "trust me."
He'll nominate his pro-abortion sister.
He'll nominate his pro-abortion sister.
Posted by: Benji Carver at February 02, 2016 04:37 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: Sam in VA at February 02, 2016 04:38 PM (bNi5D)
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>>All of this assumes Cruz and Rubio won't win. I don't think Rubio would want to. And I don't think Cruz can.
I think that's one of the sillier memes that springs up from time to time, that candidate X doesn't really want to win. Anybody who runs for president and the enormous toll it takes on the candidate and the entire family doesn't do it for grins unless they are running a vanity campaign. Neither Cruz nor Rubio are doing that.
I think they both want to win and while I think Rubio has a better shot in the general I don't think Cruz is unelectable, certainly not against what will be a very weak Hillary at best.
And I think both of them would be better than Trump.
I think that's one of the sillier memes that springs up from time to time, that candidate X doesn't really want to win. Anybody who runs for president and the enormous toll it takes on the candidate and the entire family doesn't do it for grins unless they are running a vanity campaign. Neither Cruz nor Rubio are doing that.
I think they both want to win and while I think Rubio has a better shot in the general I don't think Cruz is unelectable, certainly not against what will be a very weak Hillary at best.
And I think both of them would be better than Trump.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 02, 2016 04:38 PM (/tuJf)
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I'm frankly most terrified of Trump's potential SCOTUS picks.
That's once of my big worries too.
That's once of my big worries too.
Posted by: MTF at February 02, 2016 04:38 PM (TxJGV)
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I'm frankly most terrified of Trump's potential SCOTUS picks.
Posted by: Naes
You still have the Republican Senate to advise and consent. No one get thru unless they approve.
Why the agita?
I'm frankly most terrified of Trump's potential SCOTUS picks.
Posted by: Naes
You still have the Republican Senate to advise and consent. No one get thru unless they approve.
Why the agita?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 02, 2016 04:39 PM (kdS6q)
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Yes on Trump as emergency candidate only. "In case of emergency, use Trump to break party". Which, of course it does deserve breaking but given a generational chance to elect a hard-line conservative and possibly move things back in the right direction without breaking it...
And yes, only a chance it's true Cruz is still fairly untested and I'd only give him a 50% chance of doing real lasting good for party or country. But that's a lot better than the 5% chance I see with loose cannon Trump.
And yes, only a chance it's true Cruz is still fairly untested and I'd only give him a 50% chance of doing real lasting good for party or country. But that's a lot better than the 5% chance I see with loose cannon Trump.
Posted by: original signed at February 02, 2016 04:39 PM (3YEZa)
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And I think both of them would be better than Trump.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 02, 2016 04:38 PM (/tuJf)
as much as I've seen Trump over the years, I really know nothing about him at all
Posted by: JackStraw at February 02, 2016 04:38 PM (/tuJf)
as much as I've seen Trump over the years, I really know nothing about him at all
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 02, 2016 04:39 PM (qCMvj)
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Ace has come over the dark side..
lol.. hey Ace.. anybody but Hillary.. I would prefer Cruz, but Rubio is still better than Hillary.
lol.. hey Ace.. anybody but Hillary.. I would prefer Cruz, but Rubio is still better than Hillary.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 02, 2016 04:39 PM (so+oy)
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He just blew it with the immigration issue. The big glaring mistake - he actually told the truth.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 02, 2016 04:35 PM (qCMvj)
The fact that anyone with even a low IQ who was paying attention would know that it would practically doom him with the base that had been fighting amnesty attempts for years. But he went along with McCain and Schumer. Whatever excuse or reason he has for doing that cannot make him look good.
And I heard him try to defend the gang of eight on rush. He was arguing like a Democrat and making no sense. I couldn't believe it.
Now, he's teaming up with Gillibrand on the rapey college thing. He sure knows how to pick em.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 02, 2016 04:35 PM (qCMvj)
The fact that anyone with even a low IQ who was paying attention would know that it would practically doom him with the base that had been fighting amnesty attempts for years. But he went along with McCain and Schumer. Whatever excuse or reason he has for doing that cannot make him look good.
And I heard him try to defend the gang of eight on rush. He was arguing like a Democrat and making no sense. I couldn't believe it.
Now, he's teaming up with Gillibrand on the rapey college thing. He sure knows how to pick em.
Posted by: chique testing testing at February 02, 2016 04:39 PM (uyrlv)
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Rush is vacillating as much as a last-minute Iowa caucuseer now.
Probably the best tack to take if you want to maintain the widest audience and keep your ad rates high.
Probably the best tack to take if you want to maintain the widest audience and keep your ad rates high.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 02, 2016 04:40 PM (1CroS)
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Sigh.
I thought we could get a nice ticket, say Trump-Cruz, but that appears to be dead. I agree with Ace, I thought Trump was gaining somewhat with me, but then his attacks on Cruz seemed so Obamaesque that he started to lose me.
As for Rubio? No thank you. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
I thought we could get a nice ticket, say Trump-Cruz, but that appears to be dead. I agree with Ace, I thought Trump was gaining somewhat with me, but then his attacks on Cruz seemed so Obamaesque that he started to lose me.
As for Rubio? No thank you. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 02, 2016 04:40 PM (B8JRQ)
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trump is a wildcard, rubio is a liar.
Posted by: yankeefifth at February 02, 2016 04:40 PM (vb33c)
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 02, 2016 04:40 PM (xcJZI)
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"Well yes -- we thought that was you were promising as well, Donald. If
you're just going to cut deals with Reid, McConnell, and Pelosi, then
what is the Point of You?"
To cut good deals for our side for a change? I wish we had someone on our side cutting the kind of one sided deals that democrats get us to commit to.
you're just going to cut deals with Reid, McConnell, and Pelosi, then
what is the Point of You?"
To cut good deals for our side for a change? I wish we had someone on our side cutting the kind of one sided deals that democrats get us to commit to.
Posted by: noamnesty at February 02, 2016 04:40 PM (dxv54)
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Why the agita?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 02, 2016 04:39 PM (kdS6q)
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.... you misspelled "concern"...
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 02, 2016 04:39 PM (kdS6q)
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.... you misspelled "concern"...
Posted by: fixerupper at February 02, 2016 04:40 PM (8XRCm)
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Trump's SCOTUS picks worry me just because he doesn't know these people on a personal level. He'll pick whoever his advisers say to pick, and I guarantee that no matter how hard he tries, that advisory panel will be made up of GOPe-rs.
Cruz, on the other hand, knows all of these SOBs personally and professionally and knows exactly who will or won't pull a Roberts on us.
Cruz, on the other hand, knows all of these SOBs personally and professionally and knows exactly who will or won't pull a Roberts on us.
Posted by: Lauren at February 02, 2016 04:40 PM (3DIzJ)
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I'm frankly most terrified of Trump's potential SCOTUS picks.
Posted by: Naes
well, if Rubio wins, he can put in Cruz
Cruz should be in Roberts seat
Posted by: Naes
well, if Rubio wins, he can put in Cruz
Cruz should be in Roberts seat
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 02, 2016 04:40 PM (qCMvj)
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5 Iowa Democrat primary result:
Karl Marx - 50%
Ma Barker - 50%
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O'Malley - 1%
Explanation: common core math
Karl Marx - 50%
Ma Barker - 50%
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O'Malley - 1%
Explanation: common core math
Posted by: Mrclark at February 02, 2016 04:40 PM (PTcF+)
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These entertainers (Rush, Beck, Palin, I should add Trump to the list) have to periodically pull a Crazy Ivan, or at least a Crazy Eddie, to get their sagging ratings back up.
When's the last time Rush has been mentioned in the sidebar?
Carnival barking, trying to wag the dog.
When's the last time Rush has been mentioned in the sidebar?
Carnival barking, trying to wag the dog.
Posted by: GnuBreed at February 02, 2016 04:41 PM (gyKtp)
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Sorry about this, it is impolite but it is also the issue with dondi. He may be strong on abortion, but if he opens the borders we'll have post birth abortion in 10 years for kids who have birth defects. . . .
He's either too dumb to be trusted or a traitor to his ownbeliefs.
Its the borders. Open borders lobby gets their way, thenTexas goes at least purple, Florida goes California blue as does Ohio and Colorado is never coming back. Its over.
California used to be reliable Republican state. Regan Amnesty took care of that.
That's what it will mean.The parade of horribles. The things you can't imagine happing in America, will happen in America. Because it won't be American any more. Not a shot fired. Not a gun confiscated. Voted away.
Sorry about this, it is impolite but it is also the issue with dondi. He may be strong on abortion, but if he opens the borders we'll have post birth abortion in 10 years for kids who have birth defects. . . .
He's either too dumb to be trusted or a traitor to his ownbeliefs.
Its the borders. Open borders lobby gets their way, thenTexas goes at least purple, Florida goes California blue as does Ohio and Colorado is never coming back. Its over.
California used to be reliable Republican state. Regan Amnesty took care of that.
That's what it will mean.The parade of horribles. The things you can't imagine happing in America, will happen in America. Because it won't be American any more. Not a shot fired. Not a gun confiscated. Voted away.
Posted by: simplemind at February 02, 2016 04:41 PM (JTwsP)
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The problem with French and McCarthy is that as lawyers, they tend to take the given situation as given. But it's not. I don't read lawyers or listen to any lawyers because the mere fact they went to law school is discrediting (Kaus excepted).
Posted by: bjk at February 02, 2016 04:41 PM (x2rNW)
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122 Cruz: NY values means liberal media and banks (which means Joos, but with a nod and a wink).
Really? Cruz was sending a coded signal to anti-semites? That's interesting, since Cruz appeals to evangelicals who are the fervent gentile supporters of Israel. What a neat trick, to appeal to both Jew haters and Israel supporters at the same time.
/sarc
Really? Cruz was sending a coded signal to anti-semites? That's interesting, since Cruz appeals to evangelicals who are the fervent gentile supporters of Israel. What a neat trick, to appeal to both Jew haters and Israel supporters at the same time.
/sarc
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands at the present time) at February 02, 2016 04:41 PM (u0lmX)
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My issue with Rubio is that he is weak. He got rolled by the McVain/Schumer cabal.
Sure, call him conservative-- I don't care. He's fresh meat for the Washington scumbags and he has proven he can be told what to do.
Sure, call him conservative-- I don't care. He's fresh meat for the Washington scumbags and he has proven he can be told what to do.
Posted by: MTF at February 02, 2016 04:41 PM (TxJGV)
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Cruz and Rubio owe their ability to broadly appeal to voters directly to the policies of the Obama administration. There is no way they could be out campaigning without Obama's help.
Posted by: RioBravo at February 02, 2016 04:41 PM (NUqwG)
Posted by: original signed at February 02, 2016 04:41 PM (3YEZa)
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Seriously. Rubio's dead to me. Dead.
Posted by: simplemind at February 02, 2016 04:41 PM (JTwsP)
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"8 Whenever I hear Rubio talk, I love the words that are coming out of his mouth.
Then, I look at his record and realize it's all horseshit."
Do you find Rubio to be less believable than Trump? If so, why?
Then, I look at his record and realize it's all horseshit."
Do you find Rubio to be less believable than Trump? If so, why?
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at February 02, 2016 04:41 PM (kf2iZ)
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I can't trust anybody who tapes back their ears.
Posted by: wth at February 02, 2016 04:41 PM (HgMAr)
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It reminds me of when Rush defend Bush all the time back in the day. I don't care if you hate Trump as long as you like Cruz. I like both Cruz or Trump, and can live with either. I do raise a eyebrow when someone jumps on the Rubio bandwagon. Rubio is NOT a Reagan conservative. He is a Bush conservative.
The so called "conservatives", who thump their chest about their "conservatism" all the time, are now telling me Rubio is "conservative".
Ok...Oh...and please don't tell me about Trump upsetting anyone saying he would "make deals" with Democrats. That is the GOP's motto now..."Make Deals!" and Rubio was one of its typical deal makers. If that is the case I at least want one who is better then our current crop of "deal making" leaders.
But...Rush says...Rubio is Reagan! LOL!
I am think I am done with that kind of "conservatism".
The so called "conservatives", who thump their chest about their "conservatism" all the time, are now telling me Rubio is "conservative".
Ok...Oh...and please don't tell me about Trump upsetting anyone saying he would "make deals" with Democrats. That is the GOP's motto now..."Make Deals!" and Rubio was one of its typical deal makers. If that is the case I at least want one who is better then our current crop of "deal making" leaders.
But...Rush says...Rubio is Reagan! LOL!
I am think I am done with that kind of "conservatism".
Posted by: William Eaton at February 02, 2016 04:42 PM (q52Ma)
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The voters have a different solution.
Posted by: MTF at February 02, 2016 04:37 PM (TxJGV)
I bet they do.
Posted by: MTF at February 02, 2016 04:37 PM (TxJGV)
I bet they do.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - ReFit your Conniptions at the Outrage Outlet! at February 02, 2016 04:42 PM (hLRSq)
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99 Having read the transcript, this is less an about-face endorsement of Rubio and more Rush trying to make a point about the slate generally.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 02, 2016 04:30 PM
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As it has been noted on this blog and on Rush's show, the concept of "conservative" has been relagated to a relative term.
Such as: Rubio is more conservative than Fredo, the Hildebeast, and certainly Fredo.
The original meaning of conservative hasn't really changed, it's just been lost in the clutter of the political chaos we have now.
We need a new name for the ideology.
99 Having read the transcript, this is less an about-face endorsement of Rubio and more Rush trying to make a point about the slate generally.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 02, 2016 04:30 PM
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As it has been noted on this blog and on Rush's show, the concept of "conservative" has been relagated to a relative term.
Such as: Rubio is more conservative than Fredo, the Hildebeast, and certainly Fredo.
The original meaning of conservative hasn't really changed, it's just been lost in the clutter of the political chaos we have now.
We need a new name for the ideology.
Posted by: Soona at February 02, 2016 04:42 PM (Fmupd)
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Rubio seems establishment, but he did insert the poison pill into the ACA to stop additional bailouts.
That's not totally beltway donor class to me.
Also, Obama let him do it because the Dems said it wouldn't work.
It did work. So Rubio was rolled by Schumer but also rolled Obama back.
That's not totally beltway donor class to me.
Also, Obama let him do it because the Dems said it wouldn't work.
It did work. So Rubio was rolled by Schumer but also rolled Obama back.
Posted by: Harun at February 02, 2016 04:42 PM (UBBWX)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 02, 2016 04:42 PM (1CroS)
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If Rubio was a conservative...
....would the GOPe want him?
Of the three choices that have any shot at all now at the nomination, he's the least horrific to them. Plus, he's all in on illegal immigrants, so that's a bonus.
....would the GOPe want him?
Of the three choices that have any shot at all now at the nomination, he's the least horrific to them. Plus, he's all in on illegal immigrants, so that's a bonus.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 02, 2016 04:43 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: MTF at February 02, 2016 04:43 PM (TxJGV)
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141
God forbid we miss out on the chance to get more rock ribbed
conservatives like John Roberts, David Souter, and Anthony Kennedy on
the court.
That's why I said it's hard enough to get decent justices. Somebody like Trump will absolutely take any skepticism of his nominee as a personal insult and he will jam them through. And given the fact that he's a liberal, the chances of getting another David Souter are exponentially higher with President Trump vs. President Cruz or even Rubio. At least Bush 2 withdrew Harriet Miers and put Alito forward. Trump absolutely would not.
God forbid we miss out on the chance to get more rock ribbed
conservatives like John Roberts, David Souter, and Anthony Kennedy on
the court.
That's why I said it's hard enough to get decent justices. Somebody like Trump will absolutely take any skepticism of his nominee as a personal insult and he will jam them through. And given the fact that he's a liberal, the chances of getting another David Souter are exponentially higher with President Trump vs. President Cruz or even Rubio. At least Bush 2 withdrew Harriet Miers and put Alito forward. Trump absolutely would not.
Posted by: Naes at February 02, 2016 04:43 PM (Ypc8j)
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"Cruz: NY values means liberal media and banks (which means Joos, but with a nod and a wink). "
Uh no.
Uh no.
Posted by: Lauren at February 02, 2016 04:43 PM (3DIzJ)
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We need a new name for the ideology.
Posted by: Soona at February 02, 2016 04:42 PM (Fmupd)
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How about the "Shut Up and Leave Me the FUCK Alone" movement???
Posted by: Soona at February 02, 2016 04:42 PM (Fmupd)
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How about the "Shut Up and Leave Me the FUCK Alone" movement???
Posted by: fixerupper at February 02, 2016 04:43 PM (8XRCm)
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Iowa Democrat primary result:
Karl Marx - 50%
Ma Barker - 50%
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O'Malley - 1%
Explanation: common core math rounding error
Karl Marx - 50%
Ma Barker - 50%
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O'Malley - 1%
Explanation:
Posted by: Willburn Sooner at February 02, 2016 04:44 PM (P3GWR)
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I've been getting emails from Rubio & they say Romney 2012 too.
Posted by: Carol at February 02, 2016 04:44 PM (sj3Ax)
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Having read the transcript, this is less an about-face endorsement of Rubio and more Rush trying to make a point about the slate generally.
Heretic! Who cares what the truth is!!!! Burn the witch!!!! Rush is an unperson for saying something slightly at odds with my ideas!!!!1!1!!11!!!
Heretic! Who cares what the truth is!!!! Burn the witch!!!! Rush is an unperson for saying something slightly at odds with my ideas!!!!1!1!!11!!!
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 02, 2016 04:44 PM (39g3+)
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Rubio is still better than Hillary.
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No he isn't. It's a distinction without a difference.
And Rush outed himself today as a fraud. Claims to be troubled by Trump saying he could work with dems yet praises Rubio who actually DID work with dems to put dems like Hillary in power forever.
___________________________
No he isn't. It's a distinction without a difference.
And Rush outed himself today as a fraud. Claims to be troubled by Trump saying he could work with dems yet praises Rubio who actually DID work with dems to put dems like Hillary in power forever.
Posted by: noamnesty at February 02, 2016 04:45 PM (dxv54)
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 02, 2016 04:45 PM (xcJZI)
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"Looking past the nomination process to the general election, I feel that
Trump (and Trump alone) has a strong chance of flipping NY State from D
to R on election night in November."
Now that there is funny. I think there's a better chance of Trump flipping Texas from R to D if he's the nominee.
Trump (and Trump alone) has a strong chance of flipping NY State from D
to R on election night in November."
Now that there is funny. I think there's a better chance of Trump flipping Texas from R to D if he's the nominee.
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at February 02, 2016 04:45 PM (kf2iZ)
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My own version of what Ace is saying is that the more i heard about how much Cruz is disliked in DC, the more I LIKED him.
Trump seemed like he was getting kind of desperate with the whole "He's a Canadian" thing, too.
But Rush has GONE NUTS, apparently. Being "a full-throated conservative" and being "establishment" are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.
Trump seemed like he was getting kind of desperate with the whole "He's a Canadian" thing, too.
But Rush has GONE NUTS, apparently. Being "a full-throated conservative" and being "establishment" are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.
Posted by: Optimizer at February 02, 2016 04:46 PM (/q6+P)
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I think of him more as a full throated used car salesman.
To be fair, that's pretty much what I think of all politicians.
I think of him more as a full throated used car salesman.
To be fair, that's pretty much what I think of all politicians.
Posted by: wth at February 02, 2016 04:46 PM (HgMAr)
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179 If Rubio was a conservative...
....would the GOPe want him?
Of the three choices that have any shot at all now at the nomination, he's the least horrific to them. Plus, he's all in on illegal immigrants, so that's a bonus.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 02, 2016 04:43 PM (39g3+)
More importantly... he is and always has been nothing but a politician since he graduated College.
He has been a Legislator, and nothing but...
He has never RUN anything except some campaigns....
So guess who will set up his cabinet and staff???
K Street and the GOPe...
....would the GOPe want him?
Of the three choices that have any shot at all now at the nomination, he's the least horrific to them. Plus, he's all in on illegal immigrants, so that's a bonus.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 02, 2016 04:43 PM (39g3+)
More importantly... he is and always has been nothing but a politician since he graduated College.
He has been a Legislator, and nothing but...
He has never RUN anything except some campaigns....
So guess who will set up his cabinet and staff???
K Street and the GOPe...
Posted by: Don Quixote at February 02, 2016 04:46 PM (f7rv6)
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Cruz, on the other hand, knows all of these SOBs personally and professionally and knows exactly who will or won't pull a Roberts on us.
Posted by: Lauren at February 02, 2016 04:40 PM (3DIzJ)
Oh! Interesting point.
Posted by: Lauren at February 02, 2016 04:40 PM (3DIzJ)
Oh! Interesting point.
Posted by: Lea at February 02, 2016 04:46 PM (lIU4e)
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If Rubio was a conservative...
....would the GOPe want him?
I'm assuming the GOPe was behind Bush in the very beginning.
It's kind of funny that the shoes on the other foot. They have to back from a group of candidates that "we" are forcing them to, versus the other way around. Now, they have taken hold of Rubio is the least worse choice for them.
....would the GOPe want him?
I'm assuming the GOPe was behind Bush in the very beginning.
It's kind of funny that the shoes on the other foot. They have to back from a group of candidates that "we" are forcing them to, versus the other way around. Now, they have taken hold of Rubio is the least worse choice for them.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 02, 2016 04:46 PM (qCMvj)
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Ace,
It's understandable that over the past 7 years you've come to equate "making a deal" with losing, as that is all the "conservatives" in congress seemed to do, but there is another way.
Nothing gets done without some sort of deal. If you have the upper hand, you win. With Trump as president, his ego will propel him towards action that gets things done.
With Cruz as president, he not only has to battle the democrats, but he has to avoid the long knives of the republicans in the house and senate. I don't see a lot getting done regardless of his purity of ideology.
Big changes will take movement-sized majorities. Cruz has too many people who want him to fail to put that together.
It's understandable that over the past 7 years you've come to equate "making a deal" with losing, as that is all the "conservatives" in congress seemed to do, but there is another way.
Nothing gets done without some sort of deal. If you have the upper hand, you win. With Trump as president, his ego will propel him towards action that gets things done.
With Cruz as president, he not only has to battle the democrats, but he has to avoid the long knives of the republicans in the house and senate. I don't see a lot getting done regardless of his purity of ideology.
Big changes will take movement-sized majorities. Cruz has too many people who want him to fail to put that together.
Posted by: jwest at February 02, 2016 04:46 PM (Zs4uk)
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If you match up Rubio against Hillary you get similar ideas on immigration (not identical but damaging enough) and that's about it. They are opposed on pretty much every single other topic.
So given the choice? If it mattered who won, that is... how could you not go for Rubio in that matchup?
I just don't buy Mr Third Place as being a victor.
So given the choice? If it mattered who won, that is... how could you not go for Rubio in that matchup?
I just don't buy Mr Third Place as being a victor.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 02, 2016 04:47 PM (39g3+)
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I guess Rush had a stroke today.
There's no way that Rubio is a conservative:
Supports amnesty (paying some dinky little fine for someone who is likely costing us tens of thousands of dollars per year as an illegal, yes, is amnesty)
Supports destroying Due Process
Is dodgy on AGW
There's no way that Rubio is a conservative:
Supports amnesty (paying some dinky little fine for someone who is likely costing us tens of thousands of dollars per year as an illegal, yes, is amnesty)
Supports destroying Due Process
Is dodgy on AGW
Posted by: naturalfake at February 02, 2016 04:47 PM (0cMkb)
Posted by: Chuckles Shroomer at February 02, 2016 04:47 PM (1H9ox)
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Ace being a racist on twitter by noting that rubio is some kind of german/spaniard with a tan.
So annoying this south of the border triumphalism, pathos.
1. "we will bury you with our demographic vibrancy, you old white men who are close to death for being so old"
2. please let us in, our country has been taken over by the monkeys.
So annoying this south of the border triumphalism, pathos.
1. "we will bury you with our demographic vibrancy, you old white men who are close to death for being so old"
2. please let us in, our country has been taken over by the monkeys.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at February 02, 2016 04:47 PM (EjBTO)
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I usually stop listening to Rush when he takes a call from someone who wants to gush about how great "Rush Revere" is. The little kid calls make me cringe.
Then I switch over to AJ and listen until he starts pushing his homeopathic snake oil.
Then, it's nap time.
Then I switch over to AJ and listen until he starts pushing his homeopathic snake oil.
Then, it's nap time.
Posted by: CozMark at February 02, 2016 04:47 PM (CbGSW)
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O/T: Breaking news - Zika case in Texas that was sexually transmitted.
Pleas, SMOD, take us out now....
Pleas, SMOD, take us out now....
Posted by: Lizzy at February 02, 2016 04:48 PM (NOIQH)
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As it has been noted on this blog and on Rush's show, the concept of "conservative" has been relagated to a relative term.
Has been relegated? Has always been.
Conserve means to preserve what is there. Practically, this has meant slowing down leftism for the past century.
Problem: Slowing down cancer is not enough to survive cancer.
Has been relegated? Has always been.
Conserve means to preserve what is there. Practically, this has meant slowing down leftism for the past century.
Problem: Slowing down cancer is not enough to survive cancer.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 02, 2016 04:48 PM (uURQL)
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Rush can say rubio is conservative because he *apparently* gives good speech on inversions, tax rates, why USA is super.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at February 02, 2016 04:48 PM (EjBTO)
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183 I've been getting emails from Rubio & they say Romney 2012 too.
Posted by: Carol at February 02, 2016 04:44 PM (sj3Ax)
and I've been getting Cruz stuff from Breitbart.... which saddens me (if they want to be considered journalists)...
Strange.... come to think of it... I don't think I've gotten a single thing from Trump....
Posted by: Carol at February 02, 2016 04:44 PM (sj3Ax)
and I've been getting Cruz stuff from Breitbart.... which saddens me (if they want to be considered journalists)...
Strange.... come to think of it... I don't think I've gotten a single thing from Trump....
Posted by: Don Quixote at February 02, 2016 04:49 PM (f7rv6)
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187 "Looking past the nomination process to the general election, I feel that
Trump (and Trump alone) has a strong chance of flipping NY State from D
to R on election night in November."
Now that there is funny. I think there's a better chance of Trump flipping Texas from R to D if he's the nominee.
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic
As far as I have bee able to uncover, no one has wasted their money doing a poll of possible general-election matchups in NY state. So my theory is still viable, until there are any polls proving otherwise. The state is considered such a D lock that it's considered pointless to even poll it. But I suspect there is a surprise lurking if they did.
We'll never know until a good poll is actually conducted - - which may be never.
Trump (and Trump alone) has a strong chance of flipping NY State from D
to R on election night in November."
Now that there is funny. I think there's a better chance of Trump flipping Texas from R to D if he's the nominee.
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic
As far as I have bee able to uncover, no one has wasted their money doing a poll of possible general-election matchups in NY state. So my theory is still viable, until there are any polls proving otherwise. The state is considered such a D lock that it's considered pointless to even poll it. But I suspect there is a surprise lurking if they did.
We'll never know until a good poll is actually conducted - - which may be never.
Posted by: zombie at February 02, 2016 04:49 PM (jBuUi)
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Yeah, I'm with the idea that Cruz would try to appoint the most Constitutionally deferential justices if given the opportunity. Easy call there and a good bullet point for his continuing campaign.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 02, 2016 04:49 PM (1CroS)
Posted by: Valiant at February 02, 2016 04:49 PM (2bqlb)
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Since conservatism apparently means amnesty first and last, then Dondi sure is a full throated conservative.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 02, 2016 04:50 PM (4ErVI)
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"Rubio is still better than Hillary".
Well I guess if you want to be able to choose the form of your destroyer.
But, open borders will be the end of the USA. Whether it comes from Hillary, Bernie or Rubio, or Jeb.
"Rubio is still better than Hillary".
Well I guess if you want to be able to choose the form of your destroyer.
But, open borders will be the end of the USA. Whether it comes from Hillary, Bernie or Rubio, or Jeb.
Posted by: simplemind at February 02, 2016 04:50 PM (JTwsP)
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Conserve means to preserve what is there. Practically, this has meant slowing down leftism for the past century.
Problem: Slowing down cancer is not enough to survive cancer.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 02, 2016 04:48 PM (uURQL)
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The "conservatives" adopt liberal positions 20 years after the liberals, do. But that is 20 years of great sound bites about key principles and loads of money.
Problem: Slowing down cancer is not enough to survive cancer.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 02, 2016 04:48 PM (uURQL)
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The "conservatives" adopt liberal positions 20 years after the liberals, do. But that is 20 years of great sound bites about key principles and loads of money.
Posted by: RioBravo at February 02, 2016 04:50 PM (NUqwG)
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195 I guess Rush had a stroke today.
There's no way that Rubio is a conservative:
Supports amnesty (paying some dinky little fine for someone who is likely costing us tens of thousands of dollars per year as an illegal, yes, is amnesty)
Supports destroying Due Process
Is dodgy on AGW
Posted by: naturalfake at February 02, 2016 04:47 PM (0cMkb)
won't even tell the Voters what his stance is on the Trans Pacific Trade Pact...
There's no way that Rubio is a conservative:
Supports amnesty (paying some dinky little fine for someone who is likely costing us tens of thousands of dollars per year as an illegal, yes, is amnesty)
Supports destroying Due Process
Is dodgy on AGW
Posted by: naturalfake at February 02, 2016 04:47 PM (0cMkb)
won't even tell the Voters what his stance is on the Trans Pacific Trade Pact...
Posted by: Don Quixote at February 02, 2016 04:50 PM (f7rv6)
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202
I am a naked shitface boy
Posted by: The Republican Party at February 02, 2016 04:48 PM (XzRw1)
How you doin'?
I am a naked shitface boy
Posted by: The Republican Party at February 02, 2016 04:48 PM (XzRw1)
How you doin'?
Posted by: Harry Reid at February 02, 2016 04:50 PM (3dOE/)
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And also, Ace is starting to scare me again with his discussion (pro or con) on electability. This road has been taken too many times in the past and it never takes us anywhere but the losers corner in the ring. I hate the "electability" mentality.
Posted by: Soona at February 02, 2016 04:51 PM (Fmupd)
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Rubio is conservative in English, open borders in Spanish.
Thanks, but no thanks.
By thanks I mean, 'no fucking way'. The country club republicans can coalesce around Rubio. Thanks, but no thanks. Once again, by thanks I mean, 'no fucking way'.
Rush needs to take a breather, get some fresh air, get outta his gated community and see what the country club types have done to the middle class. He's clueless.
Thanks, but no thanks.
By thanks I mean, 'no fucking way'. The country club republicans can coalesce around Rubio. Thanks, but no thanks. Once again, by thanks I mean, 'no fucking way'.
Rush needs to take a breather, get some fresh air, get outta his gated community and see what the country club types have done to the middle class. He's clueless.
Posted by: ugg boots at February 02, 2016 04:51 PM (fbovC)
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What is an Aspie?
Posted by: jwb7605 at February 02, 2016 04:20 PM (DofIg)
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Someone with Assburger Syndrome:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T78c3JJPC38
What is an Aspie?
Posted by: jwb7605 at February 02, 2016 04:20 PM (DofIg)
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Someone with Assburger Syndrome:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T78c3JJPC38
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at February 02, 2016 04:51 PM (/f6Nd)
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"I don't see a lot getting done regardless of his purity of ideology"
That's just fine. Doing nothing is an improvement.
That's just fine. Doing nothing is an improvement.
Posted by: Lauren at February 02, 2016 04:51 PM (3DIzJ)
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and I've been getting Cruz stuff from Breitbart.... which saddens me (if they want to be considered journalists)...
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I have too and it very fking annoying.
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I have too and it very fking annoying.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at February 02, 2016 04:51 PM (MbrzC)
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Posted by: naturalfake at February 02, 2016 04:47 PM (0cMkb)
Like any of them are going to pay a fine lol.
Like any of them are going to pay a fine lol.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 02, 2016 04:51 PM (4ErVI)
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@144 "I'm frankly most terrified of Trump's potential SCOTUS picks. ..."
That IS disturbing. But whenever I run across this kind of wrinkle it always comes back to same thing:
You KNOW the other guys are going to f**k you ANYWAY. It's been nothing but "failure theater" for years. But if we let all the World's welfare cases invade our borders and ultimately vote socialism into place, the whole country is pretty much screwed. It may already be too late.
That IS disturbing. But whenever I run across this kind of wrinkle it always comes back to same thing:
You KNOW the other guys are going to f**k you ANYWAY. It's been nothing but "failure theater" for years. But if we let all the World's welfare cases invade our borders and ultimately vote socialism into place, the whole country is pretty much screwed. It may already be too late.
Posted by: Optimizer at February 02, 2016 04:52 PM (/q6+P)
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PJM has a good article about the real danger of a Rubio candidacy. He'll win independents... but so did Romney. Elections now are about turning out the base and Rubio's amnesty position might depress that turnout. The squishy center voters are also from an economic perspective more expensive and more time-consuming to turn out. Cruz seems to understand this but it's still early.
Posted by: Naes at February 02, 2016 04:52 PM (Ypc8j)
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Great. Now Rush has been replaced by a pod.
Posted by: rickl at February 02, 2016 04:52 PM (zoehZ)
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He's admitted he's pandering on the wall
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Sigh, no he hasn't. But let me guess...you're one of those morons who says "Everyone knows what Cruz was talking about with NY values" right, lol?
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Sigh, no he hasn't. But let me guess...you're one of those morons who says "Everyone knows what Cruz was talking about with NY values" right, lol?
Posted by: noamnesty at February 02, 2016 04:52 PM (dxv54)
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Apparently, we have to dump the term "conservative" and re-adopt the label "classic liberal".
There has been too much damage done to reconfigure the word in people's minds.
There has been too much damage done to reconfigure the word in people's minds.
Posted by: jwest at February 02, 2016 04:52 PM (Zs4uk)
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O/T: Breaking news - Zika case in Texas that was sexually transmitted.
Pleas, SMOD, take us out now....
Posted by: Lizzy at February 02, 2016 04:48 PM (NOIQH)
.............
I thought the Clintons were in New Hampshire?
O/T: Breaking news - Zika case in Texas that was sexually transmitted.
Pleas, SMOD, take us out now....
Posted by: Lizzy at February 02, 2016 04:48 PM (NOIQH)
.............
I thought the Clintons were in New Hampshire?
Posted by: wth at February 02, 2016 04:52 PM (HgMAr)
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>> 156 Here SMOD! Come here SMOD!
>> Sweet Microbes of Death
>> Posted by: Anna Puma at February 02, 2016 04:40 PM
You're only saying that 'cause SCOD decided to take its own sweet time showing up.
>> Sweet Microbes of Death
>> Posted by: Anna Puma at February 02, 2016 04:40 PM
You're only saying that 'cause SCOD decided to take its own sweet time showing up.
Posted by: Duncanthrax the Bellicose at February 02, 2016 04:53 PM (ml1PM)
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I think that's one of the sillier memes that springs up from time to time, that candidate X doesn't really want to win. Anybody who runs for president and the enormous toll it takes on the candidate and the entire family doesn't do it for grins unless they are running a vanity campaign. Neither Cruz nor Rubio are doing that.
I think they both want to win and while I think Rubio has a better shot in the general I don't think Cruz is unelectable, certainly not against what will be a very weak Hillary at best.
And I think both of them would be better than Trump.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 02, 2016 04:38 PM (/tuJf)
Yeah that's a stupid way to say it. They all want the white house. It's not that Rubio doesn't want to win, it's this establishment urge to be as centrist or even liberal as possible while still being able to wear that red R badge. Mitt Romney couldn't beat Barack Obama: how are you going to go further to the center than Mitt freaking Romney? You'll end up turning left. Trying to be "more electable" is chasing a dragon, is what I'm saying. You just need to actually be a Republican, be optimistic and hard-nosed without letting the left or media (BIRM &c) set the terms of the discussion for you.
I think a lot of Trump supporters are fed up with taking grenades in the trenches, having real life flame wars with people we know, as we try to justify being George W Bush supporters. George W Bush never fought that battle. I was fighting it all by myself against an endless stream of hot chic young socialist goons. Cruz would be more of that. He lacks panache.
Trump dissolves the old battlefield and does it himself. Entirely? No, of course not. It would probably be worse. But it would *feel* different. And us old (heh) stalwart conservatives get to sit back and let the newcomers to the political field take the first couple of volleys. "In chess, the Trumptards go first."
So, in terms of how my and Scott Adams' political ids diagnose it:
Rubio would fall for the McCain/Romney electability trap. Cruz would be GWB 2.0. Trump is new ground with known risks and unknowable, but sexy, upside.
I think they both want to win and while I think Rubio has a better shot in the general I don't think Cruz is unelectable, certainly not against what will be a very weak Hillary at best.
And I think both of them would be better than Trump.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 02, 2016 04:38 PM (/tuJf)
Yeah that's a stupid way to say it. They all want the white house. It's not that Rubio doesn't want to win, it's this establishment urge to be as centrist or even liberal as possible while still being able to wear that red R badge. Mitt Romney couldn't beat Barack Obama: how are you going to go further to the center than Mitt freaking Romney? You'll end up turning left. Trying to be "more electable" is chasing a dragon, is what I'm saying. You just need to actually be a Republican, be optimistic and hard-nosed without letting the left or media (BIRM &c) set the terms of the discussion for you.
I think a lot of Trump supporters are fed up with taking grenades in the trenches, having real life flame wars with people we know, as we try to justify being George W Bush supporters. George W Bush never fought that battle. I was fighting it all by myself against an endless stream of hot chic young socialist goons. Cruz would be more of that. He lacks panache.
Trump dissolves the old battlefield and does it himself. Entirely? No, of course not. It would probably be worse. But it would *feel* different. And us old (heh) stalwart conservatives get to sit back and let the newcomers to the political field take the first couple of volleys. "In chess, the Trumptards go first."
So, in terms of how my and Scott Adams' political ids diagnose it:
Rubio would fall for the McCain/Romney electability trap. Cruz would be GWB 2.0. Trump is new ground with known risks and unknowable, but sexy, upside.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 02, 2016 04:53 PM (xuouz)
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I remember when he endorsed Pat Buchanan. yeeesh
Posted by: CozMark at February 02, 2016 04:53 PM (CbGSW)
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215 and I've been getting Cruz stuff from Breitbart.... which saddens me (if they want to be considered journalists)...
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I have too and it very fking annoying.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at February 02, 2016 04:51 PM (MbrzC)
Yeah well Ford under Henry Ford not the same as Ford now.
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I have too and it very fking annoying.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at February 02, 2016 04:51 PM (MbrzC)
Yeah well Ford under Henry Ford not the same as Ford now.
Posted by: yankeefifth at February 02, 2016 04:53 PM (vb33c)
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I don't see the problem with Trump's "deal" statement. As we've seen, Obama is handicapped from making long-term changes without congressional approval which our RINO sellout congress is all to eager to provide.
Major changes are needed, however, and that means conflgressional action. Dems, and possibly some Republicans, may resist Cruz. Could he force the issue? Make palatable compromises? I don't know. Trump is a much better negotiater, and would get more of what he wants in a deal...the question is whether what he wants is close to what we conservatives want.
Major changes are needed, however, and that means conflgressional action. Dems, and possibly some Republicans, may resist Cruz. Could he force the issue? Make palatable compromises? I don't know. Trump is a much better negotiater, and would get more of what he wants in a deal...the question is whether what he wants is close to what we conservatives want.
Posted by: Grimaldi at February 02, 2016 04:53 PM (zUP50)
Posted by: Ralph at February 02, 2016 04:54 PM (PMkYS)
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Meh - Trump was just bragging about his mad deal making skilz. Blowhards gotta be blowhards.
Meh - Trump was just bragging about his mad deal making skilz. Blowhards gotta be blowhards.
Posted by: Ed Anger at February 02, 2016 04:54 PM (J6qL8)
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Hurr durr dey will votes conservahtiv because they will watch American television and eat at McDonald's!!
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 02, 2016 04:54 PM (4ErVI)
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211 And also, Ace is starting to scare me again with his discussion (pro or con) on electability. This road has been taken too many times in the past and it never takes us anywhere but the losers corner in the ring. I hate the "electability" mentality.
Posted by: Soona at February 02, 2016 04:51 PM (Fmupd)
Soona I think he's rejecting it like you are. It's just that that leaves you with Trump or Cruz, and we've had that conversation. A number of times.
Posted by: Soona at February 02, 2016 04:51 PM (Fmupd)
Soona I think he's rejecting it like you are. It's just that that leaves you with Trump or Cruz, and we've had that conversation. A number of times.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 02, 2016 04:55 PM (xuouz)
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I hate the "electability" mentality.
Posted by: Soona at February 02, 2016 04:51 PM (Fmupd)
Electability is the KaBoom cereal of politics. It means you have settled and are waiting for the cold fingers of death to close your eyes.
Posted by: Soona at February 02, 2016 04:51 PM (Fmupd)
Electability is the KaBoom cereal of politics. It means you have settled and are waiting for the cold fingers of death to close your eyes.
Posted by: *Mikey NTH - ReFit your Conniptions at the Outrage Outlet! at February 02, 2016 04:55 PM (hLRSq)
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I heard this live. And I agree with whomever upthread who said that Rush was probably trolling the RNC with that statement.
I haven't seen Dondi do one thing since he got elected that makes me think he's conservative at all. And I'll never forgive him for his stance on amnesty which I DO NOT WANT IN ANY FORM. We already have an immigration service with laws and regulations, why not mention that?
No one does. I'm sick of the imbeciles I send to DC to represent me pandering to non-citizens. If you want to become an American, great. Get in line with everyone else and go through the process like everyone else. None of this "jumping to the head of the line for votes" BS anymore.
Dondi stabbed me in the back to the point that I ashamed to say I voted for him. If he's the nominee, I'm sitting this one out.
I haven't seen Dondi do one thing since he got elected that makes me think he's conservative at all. And I'll never forgive him for his stance on amnesty which I DO NOT WANT IN ANY FORM. We already have an immigration service with laws and regulations, why not mention that?
No one does. I'm sick of the imbeciles I send to DC to represent me pandering to non-citizens. If you want to become an American, great. Get in line with everyone else and go through the process like everyone else. None of this "jumping to the head of the line for votes" BS anymore.
Dondi stabbed me in the back to the point that I ashamed to say I voted for him. If he's the nominee, I'm sitting this one out.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 02, 2016 04:55 PM (LUgeY)
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Why does Rubio want to deny college men due process?
Posted by: An Poc ar Buile at February 02, 2016 04:55 PM (bpn7O)
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Conserve means to preserve what is there. Practically, this has meant slowing down leftism for the past century.
I would like very much to go to Washington, D.C. and nuke the Department of Education, the EPA, the endangered species act, public law 480, ag subsidies, HUD, obamacare, outlaw unions, outlaw the Communist Party, fire at least half the federal bureaucrats, repeal the 16th amendment, declare the UN persona non grata, and order that organization out of the country.
And do it all an hour after taking the oath of office.
That really isn't very 'conservative'. Conservative would be an incremental reversal of all the liberal policies of the last one hundred years. Which would be reversed the next election cycle.
Or we're going to wake up one day, like the UK, and wonder what happened to our country.
I would like very much to go to Washington, D.C. and nuke the Department of Education, the EPA, the endangered species act, public law 480, ag subsidies, HUD, obamacare, outlaw unions, outlaw the Communist Party, fire at least half the federal bureaucrats, repeal the 16th amendment, declare the UN persona non grata, and order that organization out of the country.
And do it all an hour after taking the oath of office.
That really isn't very 'conservative'. Conservative would be an incremental reversal of all the liberal policies of the last one hundred years. Which would be reversed the next election cycle.
Or we're going to wake up one day, like the UK, and wonder what happened to our country.
Posted by: Willburn Sooner at February 02, 2016 04:55 PM (P3GWR)
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More Rush: Rubio is a "legitimate full-throated conservative" -- [I guessed on the quotes for black diamonds]
LOL. Rubio's throat is full of illegal dick.
LOL. Rubio's throat is full of illegal dick.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 02, 2016 04:55 PM (zc3Db)
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73 Iowa was a test of Trump's crossover appeal. That test failed to show much appeal.
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Disagree Ace. He was second in a tough race, and won the second largest vote total in Iowa GOP caucus history. All those votes he got came from somewhere, and crossover appeal is one likely place they might have come from. We simply do not know.
I'll go further: though I'm not a Trump supporter I think all these punditry conclusions Trump is dead or fatally wounded are early. The next few weeks might lead to a conclusion of some sort but, right now, we are too early in the game.
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Disagree Ace. He was second in a tough race, and won the second largest vote total in Iowa GOP caucus history. All those votes he got came from somewhere, and crossover appeal is one likely place they might have come from. We simply do not know.
I'll go further: though I'm not a Trump supporter I think all these punditry conclusions Trump is dead or fatally wounded are early. The next few weeks might lead to a conclusion of some sort but, right now, we are too early in the game.
Posted by: MTF at February 02, 2016 04:55 PM (TxJGV)
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208 Conserve means to preserve what is there. Practically, this has meant slowing down leftism for the past century.
Problem: Slowing down cancer is not enough to survive cancer.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 02, 2016 04:48 PM (uURQL)
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The "conservatives" adopt liberal positions 20 years after the liberals, do. But that is 20 years of great sound bites about key principles and loads of money.
Posted by: RioBravo at February 02, 2016 04:50 PM (NUqwG)
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"Severe" Conservatives of today already hold ultra-liberal positions of 10-12 years ago.
I have always refused to call myself a "conservative". It's an insulting and emasculating term coined by establishment types who were in fact thinly masqueraded liberal progressives.
Gimme either a rightwing progressivism, reactionarism or fundamentalism. But not "conservativism".
208 Conserve means to preserve what is there. Practically, this has meant slowing down leftism for the past century.
Problem: Slowing down cancer is not enough to survive cancer.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 02, 2016 04:48 PM (uURQL)
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The "conservatives" adopt liberal positions 20 years after the liberals, do. But that is 20 years of great sound bites about key principles and loads of money.
Posted by: RioBravo at February 02, 2016 04:50 PM (NUqwG)
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"Severe" Conservatives of today already hold ultra-liberal positions of 10-12 years ago.
I have always refused to call myself a "conservative". It's an insulting and emasculating term coined by establishment types who were in fact thinly masqueraded liberal progressives.
Gimme either a rightwing progressivism, reactionarism or fundamentalism. But not "conservativism".
Posted by: Juicer at February 02, 2016 04:56 PM (QW1hJ)
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I remember when he endorsed Pat Buchanan. yeeesh
Well... given the options in 1992 I'm not sure it was so bad. That was before Buchanan was crazy-ass Buchanan.
I remember when he endorsed Pat Buchanan. yeeesh
Well... given the options in 1992 I'm not sure it was so bad. That was before Buchanan was crazy-ass Buchanan.
Posted by: Naes at February 02, 2016 04:56 PM (Ypc8j)
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Rubio is better than, I can make deals with Pelosi and Reid, Trump.
Posted by: Ralph at February 02, 2016 04:54 PM (PMkYS)
why because rubio is able to make deals with schumer too?
Posted by: Ralph at February 02, 2016 04:54 PM (PMkYS)
why because rubio is able to make deals with schumer too?
Posted by: yankeefifth at February 02, 2016 04:56 PM (vb33c)
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Jeb can fix it!
Posted by: Jeb! at February 02, 2016 04:56 PM (ml1PM)
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Why does Rubio want to deny college men due process?
And that there is a substantive reason to distrust Rubio.
And that there is a substantive reason to distrust Rubio.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at February 02, 2016 04:56 PM (1xUj/)
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211 And also, Ace is starting to scare me again with his discussion (pro or con) on electability. This road has been taken too many times in the past and it never takes us anywhere but the losers corner in the ring. I hate the "electability" mentality.
Posted by: Soona at February 02, 2016 04:51 PM (Fmupd)
It's almost like the fact that one caucus at the beginning of the election season makes people lose their minds and just embrace the dipshit mindthoughts vomiting forth from the media.
Posted by: Soona at February 02, 2016 04:51 PM (Fmupd)
It's almost like the fact that one caucus at the beginning of the election season makes people lose their minds and just embrace the dipshit mindthoughts vomiting forth from the media.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 02, 2016 04:56 PM (4ErVI)
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Marco (Sugar Panda) Rubio
Posted by: tmitsss at February 02, 2016 04:57 PM (Lx18F)
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Optimizer: "But if we let all the World's welfare cases invade our borders and ultimately vote socialism into place, the whole country is pretty much screwed. It may already be too late."
We're over the cliff I'm afraid. We just haven't hit full acceleration yet.
We're over the cliff I'm afraid. We just haven't hit full acceleration yet.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 02, 2016 04:57 PM (1CroS)
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Or we're going to wake up one day, like the UK, and wonder what happened to our country.
That day happened already, couple of elections ago. . . for me anyway.
Or we're going to wake up one day, like the UK, and wonder what happened to our country.
That day happened already, couple of elections ago. . . for me anyway.
Posted by: simplemind at February 02, 2016 04:57 PM (JTwsP)
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In My opinion any of the Rep. Candidates are better than Bernie or Hillary! ... except Jeb! or Kasich...
Posted by: donna at February 02, 2016 04:57 PM (/dSsq)
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If Trump had really wanted to bust balls he would of said he would put Pelosi and Reid behind bars. He would have garnered more credibility.
Posted by: Ralph at February 02, 2016 04:57 PM (PMkYS)
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Rubio is a younger, stupider, version of Boehner and McConnell.
Now THAT will bring the voters out!
Leviathan, indeed!!!
Now THAT will bring the voters out!
Leviathan, indeed!!!
Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at February 02, 2016 04:58 PM (fC+Kl)
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That's just fine. Doing nothing is an improvement.
Posted by: Lauren at February 02, 2016 04:51 PM (3DIzJ)
We can't afford to do nothing.
By doing nothing, government continues to grow, regulations continue to choke productivity, taxes still punish the productive, fat incompetents continue to draw paychecks from agencies that shouldn't exist.. and on and on.
Movements have time limits. It takes the right leader at the right moment in history to bring about substantial change. We can't afford to miss an opportunity.
Trump is just the right guy to shake Washington up, change the rules and set a new direction.
Posted by: Lauren at February 02, 2016 04:51 PM (3DIzJ)
We can't afford to do nothing.
By doing nothing, government continues to grow, regulations continue to choke productivity, taxes still punish the productive, fat incompetents continue to draw paychecks from agencies that shouldn't exist.. and on and on.
Movements have time limits. It takes the right leader at the right moment in history to bring about substantial change. We can't afford to miss an opportunity.
Trump is just the right guy to shake Washington up, change the rules and set a new direction.
Posted by: jwest at February 02, 2016 04:58 PM (Zs4uk)
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In before Rino Rush!
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It's almost like the fact that one caucus at the beginning of the election season makes people lose their minds and just embrace the dipshit mindthoughts vomiting forth from the media.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 02, 2016 04:56 PM (4ErVI)
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I think minds were lost well before one caucus.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 02, 2016 04:56 PM (4ErVI)
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I think minds were lost well before one caucus.
Posted by: RioBravo at February 02, 2016 04:58 PM (NUqwG)
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@193 'Ace,
It's understandable that over the past 7 years you've come to equate "making a deal" with losing, as that is all the "conservatives" in congress seemed to do, but there is another way.
Nothing gets done without some sort of deal. If you have the upper hand, you win. With Trump as president, his ego will propel him towards action that gets things done. ...'
Yes, "a deal" has come to mean surrender. Trump can at least get a better deal. The question is what kind of state he is really fighting for. I'm guessing it would be a fairly populist one, not especially ideological.
I don't see Cruz as yielding much clout, with Congress or abroad, and I don't see him as having the charisma to beat any Dem.
It's understandable that over the past 7 years you've come to equate "making a deal" with losing, as that is all the "conservatives" in congress seemed to do, but there is another way.
Nothing gets done without some sort of deal. If you have the upper hand, you win. With Trump as president, his ego will propel him towards action that gets things done. ...'
Yes, "a deal" has come to mean surrender. Trump can at least get a better deal. The question is what kind of state he is really fighting for. I'm guessing it would be a fairly populist one, not especially ideological.
I don't see Cruz as yielding much clout, with Congress or abroad, and I don't see him as having the charisma to beat any Dem.
Posted by: Optimizer at February 02, 2016 04:58 PM (/q6+P)
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Rush is just hoping to be invited on board Dondi's yacht.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2016 04:59 PM (FsuaD)
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It is sort of disappointing to me how many people posting here don't really even have a shred of understanding what the term conservative or conservatism means. I would have thought of all places...
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 02, 2016 04:59 PM (39g3+)
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People were bound to notice sooner or later that there are three socialists running.
Posted by: TallDave at February 02, 2016 04:59 PM (/s1LA)
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and set a new direction
A lack of ideology makes new directions a crap shoot. New can be worse, ie, NHS single payer. Or better, border enforcement. How to know without a recognized political philosophy?
A lack of ideology makes new directions a crap shoot. New can be worse, ie, NHS single payer. Or better, border enforcement. How to know without a recognized political philosophy?
Posted by: Grump928(c) at February 02, 2016 05:00 PM (evdj2)
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I also don't see Cruz as being able to handle the media, instead of being manhandled BY them.
Posted by: Optimizer at February 02, 2016 05:00 PM (/q6+P)
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The end is near.
Posted by: wth - wearing a cardboard sign at February 02, 2016 05:00 PM (HgMAr)
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Commented a few times if Trump was saying Cruz couldn't get along with Democrats but he could that then Cruz was my guy.
Posted by: Skip at February 02, 2016 05:00 PM (hk3Fb)
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That's just fine. Doing nothing is an improvement.
Posted by: Lauren at February 02, 2016 04:51 PM (3DIzJ)
The first thing to do when you're in a hole is stop digging...preferable to the alternative.
Posted by: Lauren at February 02, 2016 04:51 PM (3DIzJ)
The first thing to do when you're in a hole is stop digging...preferable to the alternative.
Posted by: Lea at February 02, 2016 05:00 PM (lIU4e)
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We know the deals Rubio will make.
Looking at Trump's history we can imagine the horrible deals Trump will make.
I eat a little cracker I drink a little wine --- or Constitution what Constitution?
Looking at Trump's history we can imagine the horrible deals Trump will make.
I eat a little cracker I drink a little wine --- or Constitution what Constitution?
Posted by: Ralph at February 02, 2016 05:01 PM (PMkYS)
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I guess the question is, if you don't have Rubio involved in the Gang of Eight bill, would we still be saying he's not a conservative? As illegal immigration is probably one of my top 2 concerns this election, for me, it means I can't support Rubio in the primary but if he's the candidate in the general, I'll pull the lever. I know Ace doesn't like him and I hear alot of complaints about him and I completely get it- but take away immigration, I just can't convince myself he'd be as awful as Kasich or Jeb!
Anyone but Herself and the Bern (except maybe Kasich).
Anyone but Herself and the Bern (except maybe Kasich).
Posted by: Baboo the Occelot at February 02, 2016 05:01 PM (vDEpI)
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rubo is always tlaking up his foreign policy credentials. everyone in the pentagon with a leaf on their shoulder is infinitely more qualified than he is.
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It's almost like the fact that one caucus at the beginning of the election season makes people lose their minds and just embrace the dipshit mindthoughts vomiting forth from the media.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 02, 2016 04:56 PM (4ErVI)
that's right.... we were 4 and 0 in preseason!!! Why aren't WE in the Superbowl?
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 02, 2016 04:56 PM (4ErVI)
that's right.... we were 4 and 0 in preseason!!! Why aren't WE in the Superbowl?
Posted by: Kansas City Chiefs at February 02, 2016 05:01 PM (f7rv6)
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Posted by: Optimizer at February 02, 2016 04:52 PM (/q6+P)
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That's why I'm voting for chaos, what difference at this point does it make.
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That's why I'm voting for chaos, what difference at this point does it make.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at February 02, 2016 05:02 PM (MbrzC)
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I think today Rush was telling Trump that he needs to come across as more of a Reaganite and a small government guy if he wants to win the nomination. I think that's probably true. The way I hear it Rush is still taking pains not to endorse anyone in the primary, but he does really love Cruz.
Posted by: Emily at February 02, 2016 05:02 PM (7Rn+/)
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Trump is just the right guy to shake Washington up, change the rules and set a new direction.
Posted by: jwest at February 02, 2016 04:58 PM (Zs4uk)
This is just a guess. And one based on little more than 'hope and change' was.
Change can be bad too. If the last 7 years have taught us anything, it should be that.
Posted by: jwest at February 02, 2016 04:58 PM (Zs4uk)
This is just a guess. And one based on little more than 'hope and change' was.
Change can be bad too. If the last 7 years have taught us anything, it should be that.
Posted by: Lea at February 02, 2016 05:02 PM (lIU4e)
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>>"Rubio is still better than Hillary".
Rubio is less corrupt than Hillary.
I think he'd do everything Hillary would but would make a great show ("failure theater") of only doing it because he wants so darn hard to work with the Democrats and accommodate all points of view, and hey, in the end we all want what's best for America, right?
Rubio is less corrupt than Hillary.
I think he'd do everything Hillary would but would make a great show ("failure theater") of only doing it because he wants so darn hard to work with the Democrats and accommodate all points of view, and hey, in the end we all want what's best for America, right?
Posted by: Lizzy at February 02, 2016 05:02 PM (NOIQH)
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My hope was that after the primary process was done Trump and Cruz would still be on good terms and see they were stronger together. Cruz and Trump on a ticket would win.
Cruz has a fairly hostile relationship with the Hill and Trump would not be intimidated by Reid, McConnell etc. Of course, what works in theory probably fails when confronted by reality.
Cruz has a fairly hostile relationship with the Hill and Trump would not be intimidated by Reid, McConnell etc. Of course, what works in theory probably fails when confronted by reality.
Posted by: Back To Lurking at February 02, 2016 05:02 PM (haWHk)
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The only dealmaking I want to see is one that whether to pare Fedzilla down to its size in 1975 or 1985.
Screw this ever-increasing beast that cannot be controlled.
Screw this ever-increasing beast that cannot be controlled.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 02, 2016 05:02 PM (LUgeY)
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It IS possible to acquire a taste for shit sandwiches if you really put your mind to it, folks.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 02, 2016 05:02 PM (8ZskC)
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The "X is inevitable" is really effective media messaging, don't you think? I works every time. Now it's "Rubio is a frontrunner. It's between Rubio and Cruz." Nevermind that Trump finished ahead of Rubio. All the media is all about how Trump fizzled and Rubio is now the inevitable 2nd man in the race.
Posted by: Adrienne at February 02, 2016 05:02 PM (lVcuh)
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However, Iowa was a test of Trump's crossover appeal. That test failed to show much appeal.
Posted by: ace at February 02, 2016 04:25 PM (dciA+)
Which crossover appeal, exactly, to corn fucking ethanol farmers or uber-evangelists? ROTFL. There are like zero regular and typical Republican types in Iowa. Find another axe to grind.
The question is whether Trump will do well in blue/purple states vs the Rube and in the Bible Belt vs Cruz. My guess? He gets both constituencies. And he only needs one.
Posted by: ace at February 02, 2016 04:25 PM (dciA+)
Which crossover appeal, exactly, to corn fucking ethanol farmers or uber-evangelists? ROTFL. There are like zero regular and typical Republican types in Iowa. Find another axe to grind.
The question is whether Trump will do well in blue/purple states vs the Rube and in the Bible Belt vs Cruz. My guess? He gets both constituencies. And he only needs one.
Posted by: Juicer at February 02, 2016 05:02 PM (QW1hJ)
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"Trump is sort of a red handle you pull down in case of emergency"
For more dire emergencies, there's the shoulder thing that goes up.
For more dire emergencies, there's the shoulder thing that goes up.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 02, 2016 05:03 PM (noWW6)
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@255 "It is sort of disappointing to me how many people posting here don't really even have a shred of understanding what the term conservative or conservatism means. I would have thought of all places..."
I THOUGHT I knew what it meant, but then I saw that NR hit piece on Trump, and watched as so-called conservatives got insulting towards people who didn't like the southern invasion that can only make the Republican Party a permanent minority, unless it continues its trend toward "Dem-lite".
I THOUGHT I knew what it meant, but then I saw that NR hit piece on Trump, and watched as so-called conservatives got insulting towards people who didn't like the southern invasion that can only make the Republican Party a permanent minority, unless it continues its trend toward "Dem-lite".
Posted by: Optimizer at February 02, 2016 05:03 PM (/q6+P)
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If you think Marco is cute now, you should see him when he's sitting on my lap.
Posted by: Chuck Schumer at February 02, 2016 05:03 PM (8ZskC)
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Rush is just hoping to be invited on board Dondi's yacht.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2016 04:59 PM (FsuaD)
heh, on rush's yacht Dondi's "yacht" is not even a tender.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2016 04:59 PM (FsuaD)
heh, on rush's yacht Dondi's "yacht" is not even a tender.
Posted by: yankeefifth at February 02, 2016 05:03 PM (vb33c)
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Dondi applying the Hypno-Ray to Rush...
Posted by: Mister Ghost at February 02, 2016 05:03 PM (pfKh3)
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I didn't catch Rush today. Last week he came as close as he would to endorsing anybody for Cruz. Anytime he talks positive of Trump its because of Trump refusing to play by the MFM rules and proving that that strategy works. He has said often that he thinks that *anybody* on the GOP slate would be so much better than Hillary. I part ways with Rush there, I'll vote 3rd party --probably Constitution Party if the GOPe gets a reach across the aisle squish as the nominee.
Posted by: PaleRider at February 02, 2016 05:03 PM (chkUd)
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Yeah & he'll be a GE ball of fire too, you guess?
Posted by: mnw (rare and flounced) at February 02, 2016 05:04 PM (GXwGP)
Posted by: wth - wearing a cardboard sign at February 02, 2016 05:04 PM (HgMAr)
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"The only dealmaking I want to see is one that whether to pare Fedzilla down to its size in 1975 or 1985."
1925.
1925.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 02, 2016 05:05 PM (noWW6)
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"Trump is sort of a red handle you pull down in case of emergency"
For more dire emergencies, there's the shoulder thing that goes up.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 02, 2016 05:03 PM (noWW6)
exactly, he sends a message to the establishment and the socialists.
For more dire emergencies, there's the shoulder thing that goes up.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 02, 2016 05:03 PM (noWW6)
exactly, he sends a message to the establishment and the socialists.
Posted by: yankeefifth at February 02, 2016 05:05 PM (vb33c)
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Remember kids, Trump's official positions include:
Building a wall that Mexico that Mexico will pay for, then letting all the illegals back in
Taking Iraq's oil
Setting up a refugee camp on the Syrian coast (controlled by Syrian gov't atm) and getting the Chinese to build factories for them
Banning all Muslims
New government programs for basically every problem
And just today, he endorsed the Democrats' plan to have Medicare negotiate all drug prices.
Building a wall that Mexico that Mexico will pay for, then letting all the illegals back in
Taking Iraq's oil
Setting up a refugee camp on the Syrian coast (controlled by Syrian gov't atm) and getting the Chinese to build factories for them
Banning all Muslims
New government programs for basically every problem
And just today, he endorsed the Democrats' plan to have Medicare negotiate all drug prices.
Posted by: TallDave at February 02, 2016 05:05 PM (/s1LA)
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I refuse to live in a country governed by a man with a vowel at the end of his last name.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 02, 2016 05:06 PM (8ZskC)
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I hardly ever listen to Rush any more. What with constantly hawking his wife's busy work tea, just "no."
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2016 05:06 PM (FsuaD)
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I guess the question is, if you don't have Rubio involved in the Gang of Eight bill, would we still be saying he's not a conservative?
No, he'd be a front runner with some annoying decisions made in the past, like Cruz. But for some people one issue defines someone completely - its how Trump rocketed to first place in polling.
No, he'd be a front runner with some annoying decisions made in the past, like Cruz. But for some people one issue defines someone completely - its how Trump rocketed to first place in polling.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 02, 2016 05:06 PM (39g3+)
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Sigh, no he hasn't. But let me guess...you're one of those morons who says "Everyone knows what Cruz was talking about with NY values" right, lol?
I know it's hard to admit you've been conned when you're the mark, but Trump is just using you. Telling you what you want to hear. He even said as much .
"You know," he ( Trump )told the Times writers, "if it gets a little boring, if I see people starting to sort of, maybe thinking about leaving, I can sort of tell the audience, I just say, 'We will build the wall!' and they go nuts."
Wake up and smell the manipulation. It's the art of the con and it's what that Donald has done his entire life.
220 He's admitted he's pandering on the wall
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Sigh, no he hasn't. But let me guess...you're one of those morons who says "Everyone knows what Cruz was talking about with NY values" right, lol?
I know it's hard to admit you've been conned when you're the mark, but Trump is just using you. Telling you what you want to hear. He even said as much .
"You know," he ( Trump )told the Times writers, "if it gets a little boring, if I see people starting to sort of, maybe thinking about leaving, I can sort of tell the audience, I just say, 'We will build the wall!' and they go nuts."
Wake up and smell the manipulation. It's the art of the con and it's what that Donald has done his entire life.
Posted by: Weirddave at February 02, 2016 05:06 PM (N8hFs)
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Heck, I even forgot the 45% Chinese tariff
Trump is not only not a conservative, he's not even mentally fit to be President.
Trump is not only not a conservative, he's not even mentally fit to be President.
Posted by: TallDave at February 02, 2016 05:06 PM (/s1LA)
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I refuse to live in a country governed by a man with a vowel at the end of his last name.
Middle name OK?
Middle name OK?
Posted by: FDR at February 02, 2016 05:07 PM (1xUj/)
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"full throated"
Heh, uh, heh heh
Heh, uh, heh heh
Posted by: Butthead at February 02, 2016 05:07 PM (gAgEy)
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217 @144 "I'm frankly most terrified of Trump's potential SCOTUS picks. ..."
That IS disturbing. But whenever I run across this kind of wrinkle it always comes back to same thing:
John Roberts.
That IS disturbing. But whenever I run across this kind of wrinkle it always comes back to same thing:
John Roberts.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 02, 2016 05:07 PM (jqZ8a)
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And that there is a substantive reason to distrust Rubio.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at February 02, 2016 04:56 PM (1xUj/
I think this is part of the 'electable' thing. Empty support for a vagueish thing like 'helping women who are getting raped in college' without actually considering the other side. Or worse, considering but not caring about the other side because he thinks this one is more politically profitable.
He is either not a deep thinker or willing to be led along with anything that sort of sounds good, rather than standing up for principles. Neither sounds good to me.
I will still vote for him over Hillary.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at February 02, 2016 04:56 PM (1xUj/
I think this is part of the 'electable' thing. Empty support for a vagueish thing like 'helping women who are getting raped in college' without actually considering the other side. Or worse, considering but not caring about the other side because he thinks this one is more politically profitable.
He is either not a deep thinker or willing to be led along with anything that sort of sounds good, rather than standing up for principles. Neither sounds good to me.
I will still vote for him over Hillary.
Posted by: Lea at February 02, 2016 05:07 PM (lIU4e)
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Well, Ace, what did you expect?
Trump is only in this for Trump. He will use whatever convenient attack as necessary in order to secure a win for Trump. Attack from the right, from the left, from the center, from the paranoid fringe land - it doesn't matter.
Trump is only in this for Trump. He will use whatever convenient attack as necessary in order to secure a win for Trump. Attack from the right, from the left, from the center, from the paranoid fringe land - it doesn't matter.
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:07 PM (lVU49)
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Rubio is less corrupt than Hillary.
He's new. The Clintons have about 25 years of experience on him.
But, even Bill Clinton became the Governor of a small southern state before he made his run. Rubio hasn't even finished out his first term.
He's new. The Clintons have about 25 years of experience on him.
But, even Bill Clinton became the Governor of a small southern state before he made his run. Rubio hasn't even finished out his first term.
Posted by: CozMark at February 02, 2016 05:07 PM (CbGSW)
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Can anyone give an example of Cruz being a nasty person? I will allow calling McConnell a liar as one example though I think it was well deserved. He did violate Senate decorum which made the traditionalists look for their fainting couch.
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Like a terminal ear worm of a song, just cannot get beyond the cosmic ineptness/treachery of Rubio's Gang of Eight betrayal .
Rubio is the GOPe. Period.
SURELY there is a 3D end game that exceeds the certifiable joke/horror of labeling Rubio as a conservative. NOT.
Just for the data driven among us...Yes, Rubio has a high score on the Conservative voting scoreboards BUT his amnesty , Gang of Eight vote and beliefs nullify ANY possible claim to be anything other than a re-packaged version of the POS's running DC now.
Put Rush in the 'Irrelevant' column if he keeps this bullshit up.
Rubio is the GOPe. Period.
SURELY there is a 3D end game that exceeds the certifiable joke/horror of labeling Rubio as a conservative. NOT.
Just for the data driven among us...Yes, Rubio has a high score on the Conservative voting scoreboards BUT his amnesty , Gang of Eight vote and beliefs nullify ANY possible claim to be anything other than a re-packaged version of the POS's running DC now.
Put Rush in the 'Irrelevant' column if he keeps this bullshit up.
Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at February 02, 2016 05:08 PM (fC+Kl)
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And now cue the false choice fallacy of OH NOEZ IF YOU DON'T LOVE DONALD TRUMP IT MEANS YOU ARE ROOTING FOR JEB!!!!
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Yeah, full of cock
heh heh
heh heh
Posted by: Beavis at February 02, 2016 05:08 PM (gAgEy)
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Rubio is probably just like Hillary. Planning to run for president since age 5. Exactly the type I don't want.
Posted by: x at February 02, 2016 05:08 PM (nFwvY)
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Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 02, 2016 05:06 PM (39g3+)
Except even on his "one issue" Trump is terrible. He wants to ban all Muslims, deport all the Mexicans -- and then let everyone back in again. It's far worse than Rubio's plan was.
Except even on his "one issue" Trump is terrible. He wants to ban all Muslims, deport all the Mexicans -- and then let everyone back in again. It's far worse than Rubio's plan was.
Posted by: TallDave at February 02, 2016 05:08 PM (/s1LA)
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"New can be worse, ie, NHS single payer."
Health care is a great place for a deal.
Trump will smart enough to get rid of Obamacare and make a deal giving the democrats single payer on catastrophic. He'll do this because he's smart enough to know that the catastrophic segment of healthcare will only affect a tiny minority of people, while getting Health Savings Accounts for the everyday health needs is massive.
Catastrophic care for the young is either covered by Medicaid or is rarely needed. For the elderly it's already covered by Medicare. Those between childhood and old age who ever need catastrophic care is a tiny minority.
Negotiated properly, no one would be denied the ability to pay for any additional care themselves. So, giving up that miniscule segment in exchange for a country changing HSA deal is well worth it.
Health care is a great place for a deal.
Trump will smart enough to get rid of Obamacare and make a deal giving the democrats single payer on catastrophic. He'll do this because he's smart enough to know that the catastrophic segment of healthcare will only affect a tiny minority of people, while getting Health Savings Accounts for the everyday health needs is massive.
Catastrophic care for the young is either covered by Medicaid or is rarely needed. For the elderly it's already covered by Medicare. Those between childhood and old age who ever need catastrophic care is a tiny minority.
Negotiated properly, no one would be denied the ability to pay for any additional care themselves. So, giving up that miniscule segment in exchange for a country changing HSA deal is well worth it.
Posted by: jwest at February 02, 2016 05:08 PM (Zs4uk)
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@268 "Trump is just the right guy to shake Washington up, change the rules and set a new direction."
That's the thing. It reminds me of Perot. Even though Perot LOST, the policy he pushed was ADOPTED because he put the fear of God in the establishment that had ceased to work for the people.
It doesn't even matter so much that he might be inclined to go exactly the RIGHT direction. We KNOW business as usual doesn't work, and he can get those assholes to pay attention to their constituents again (for a while). And if actually DOES build the goddamn wall it might actually save us from becoming a 3rd world socialist hell hole.
That's the thing. It reminds me of Perot. Even though Perot LOST, the policy he pushed was ADOPTED because he put the fear of God in the establishment that had ceased to work for the people.
It doesn't even matter so much that he might be inclined to go exactly the RIGHT direction. We KNOW business as usual doesn't work, and he can get those assholes to pay attention to their constituents again (for a while). And if actually DOES build the goddamn wall it might actually save us from becoming a 3rd world socialist hell hole.
Posted by: Optimizer at February 02, 2016 05:08 PM (/q6+P)
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the problem with rubio's gang of eight treachery is twofold. first he was more than willing at the drop of a hat to assrape his campaign promise and constituents. second it was also a stupid decision that was contrary to the best interests of the country.
so to recap, 1. dishonest, 2. stupid.
so to recap, 1. dishonest, 2. stupid.
Posted by: yankeefifth at February 02, 2016 05:08 PM (vb33c)
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245 Optimizer: "But if we let all the World's welfare cases invade our borders and ultimately vote socialism into place, the whole country is pretty much screwed. It may already be too late."
We're over the cliff I'm afraid. We just haven't hit full acceleration yet.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 02, 2016 04:57 PM (1CroS)
If you want to see the case study for open immigration with no real assimilation... and how it can affect US Politics...
Look at California.
There is a two tier Justice System... Two Tier ECONOMY... and our schools and businesses are bilingual...
EVERYONE wants to live in a gated community... with private security on call...
And I can't legally own the most popular guns in the US.... and must get Government permission to have one at all...
Our taxes are high... and we have the most regulated economy in the US, probably the World (and I include Communist China in that calculation... gov regs are EVERYWHERE).
Oh.... and the most expensive Gasoline in the Nation... because.... regulation....
We're over the cliff I'm afraid. We just haven't hit full acceleration yet.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 02, 2016 04:57 PM (1CroS)
If you want to see the case study for open immigration with no real assimilation... and how it can affect US Politics...
Look at California.
There is a two tier Justice System... Two Tier ECONOMY... and our schools and businesses are bilingual...
EVERYONE wants to live in a gated community... with private security on call...
And I can't legally own the most popular guns in the US.... and must get Government permission to have one at all...
Our taxes are high... and we have the most regulated economy in the US, probably the World (and I include Communist China in that calculation... gov regs are EVERYWHERE).
Oh.... and the most expensive Gasoline in the Nation... because.... regulation....
Posted by: Don Quixote, formerly BB Wolf, formerly Romeo13... at February 02, 2016 05:09 PM (f7rv6)
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Here's how to understand Rubio.
When he joined the Gang of Eight it wasn't so clear that supporting Amnesty would be a Kiss of Death with the Base. Rubio did so because he wanted a Signature Accomplishment in his first term that he could then tout to show what a Bridge Building Statesman he was when he went for the Iron Throne.
And that's why he's canoodling with Gillibrand to frame college men.
He has no principles except his own advancement.
When he joined the Gang of Eight it wasn't so clear that supporting Amnesty would be a Kiss of Death with the Base. Rubio did so because he wanted a Signature Accomplishment in his first term that he could then tout to show what a Bridge Building Statesman he was when he went for the Iron Throne.
And that's why he's canoodling with Gillibrand to frame college men.
He has no principles except his own advancement.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 02, 2016 05:09 PM (r1fLd)
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So many of you are in denial. Of course electability is important! Why aren't more Democrats supporting Bernie? Because everyone knows he isn't going to win. Can you see it when it's the other side? He's ideologically pure. The purest! They should all vote for him. Only there is only a finite number of people who really believe the equality schick as deeply as Bernie does. And none of us buy into it. Bernie is unelectable.
As much as you like Cruz, most people do not. He is the purest ideolog. But to the exclusion of the reality all around us. There is a whole country full of people who don't believe the first thing about conservatism. And we have to live with them.
You can't force conservatism down people's throats. You have to convince them. Cruz can't. He isn't likable enough to make most of the Republicans to believe him. In fact I have to sit back and remember he isn't wrong, just unlikable. Cruz can't sell conservatism because he isn't likable.
As much as you like Cruz, most people do not. He is the purest ideolog. But to the exclusion of the reality all around us. There is a whole country full of people who don't believe the first thing about conservatism. And we have to live with them.
You can't force conservatism down people's throats. You have to convince them. Cruz can't. He isn't likable enough to make most of the Republicans to believe him. In fact I have to sit back and remember he isn't wrong, just unlikable. Cruz can't sell conservatism because he isn't likable.
Posted by: petunia at February 02, 2016 05:10 PM (VoCyE)
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Lizzy, I wonder if I should spelunk 4Chan to see if those mouth-breeders have come up with a chibi kawaii Zika-chan like they did for Ebola-chan.
Probably a really bad idea. So I won't.
Probably a really bad idea. So I won't.
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 02, 2016 05:10 PM (xcJZI)
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Posted by: Weirddave at February 02, 2016 05:06 PM (N8hFs)
I can't believe more people don't understand he is nothing but a con artist and always has been.
I know we're the Stupid Party, but I never thought we were that stupid.
I can't believe more people don't understand he is nothing but a con artist and always has been.
I know we're the Stupid Party, but I never thought we were that stupid.
Posted by: TallDave at February 02, 2016 05:10 PM (/s1LA)
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Here's how to understand Rubio.
When he joined the Gang of Eight it wasn't so clear that supporting Amnesty would be a Kiss of Death with the Base. Rubio did so because he wanted a Signature Accomplishment in his first term that he could then tout to show what a Bridge Building Statesman he was when he went for the Iron Throne.
And that's why he's canoodling with Gillibrand to frame college men.
He has no principles except his own advancement.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 02, 2016 05:09 PM (r1fLd)
and he is stupid in pursuit of his self interest.
When he joined the Gang of Eight it wasn't so clear that supporting Amnesty would be a Kiss of Death with the Base. Rubio did so because he wanted a Signature Accomplishment in his first term that he could then tout to show what a Bridge Building Statesman he was when he went for the Iron Throne.
And that's why he's canoodling with Gillibrand to frame college men.
He has no principles except his own advancement.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 02, 2016 05:09 PM (r1fLd)
and he is stupid in pursuit of his self interest.
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And now cue the false choice fallacy of OH NOEZ IF YOU DON'T LOVE DONALD TRUMP IT MEANS YOU ARE ROOTING FOR JEB!!!!
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:08 PM (lVU49)
Been here all morning. You're the first one to offer that that I've noticed. Nice strawman, though.
And now cue the false choice fallacy of OH NOEZ IF YOU DON'T LOVE DONALD TRUMP IT MEANS YOU ARE ROOTING FOR JEB!!!!
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:08 PM (lVU49)
Been here all morning. You're the first one to offer that that I've noticed. Nice strawman, though.
Posted by: Harry Reid at February 02, 2016 05:11 PM (3dOE/)
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Actually, I'm Irish!
Posted by: Mark O'Rubio at February 02, 2016 05:11 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Ralph at February 02, 2016 05:11 PM (PMkYS)
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On the bright side, a Rubio win would finally end the stereotype of Cubans as conga drum-playing gigolos who marry zany red-headed American women.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 02, 2016 05:11 PM (8ZskC)
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Sweet jeebus. The sound of Hillary's voice makes the paint peel off the walls. Who are her crazy fans?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2016 05:11 PM (FsuaD)
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But for some people one issue defines someone completely -
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 02, 2016 05:06 PM (39g3+)
Treason is a pretty big issue ...
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 02, 2016 05:06 PM (39g3+)
Treason is a pretty big issue ...
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 02, 2016 05:12 PM (zc3Db)
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All our land by eminent domain.
Posted by: Ralph at February 02, 2016 05:12 PM (PMkYS)
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Perot was a complete and utter disaster. He forced the whole country to the left so far that Bernie Sanders can run and almost win.
Perot gave us Clinton, and that has been a complete disaster.
There is no up side to Trump, unless you just want Democracy to end and have something else now.
Perot gave us Clinton, and that has been a complete disaster.
There is no up side to Trump, unless you just want Democracy to end and have something else now.
Posted by: petunia at February 02, 2016 05:12 PM (VoCyE)
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And Rubio is I think quite conservative. There are only two issues that Rubio has really failed on, and that is immigration and the terrible CASA bill. On all other issues, Rubio has been pretty solid, at least I can't see where he has let down conservatism. In any other time we would be begging for a candidate who was right on everything but for only two issues. He is still not my top choice because I think Cruz is even better, but Rubio I think is a decent fall-back choice.
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:12 PM (lVU49)
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I went to HA & Rubiomania is upon us. Not for me.
Posted by: Carol at February 02, 2016 05:12 PM (sj3Ax)
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>>> Posted by: Lea at February 02, 2016 05:07 PM (lIU4e)
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Yeah, Rubio is a dumbass, but I'm not voting for the Miami Vice Speedboat.
How are you btw? Things good? I'm so down that Trump lost and hate that I'm down about it. That dumbass
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Yeah, Rubio is a dumbass, but I'm not voting for the Miami Vice Speedboat.
How are you btw? Things good? I'm so down that Trump lost and hate that I'm down about it. That dumbass
Posted by: L, Elle at February 02, 2016 05:12 PM (2x3L+)
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On the bright side, a Rubio win would finally end the stereotype of
Cubans as conga drum-playing gigolos who marry zany red-headed American
women.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 02, 2016 05:11 PM (8ZskC)
Yes. There's that.
On the bright side, a Rubio win would finally end the stereotype of
Cubans as conga drum-playing gigolos who marry zany red-headed American
women.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 02, 2016 05:11 PM (8ZskC)
Yes. There's that.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2016 05:13 PM (FsuaD)
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Except even on his "one issue" Trump is terrible. He wants to ban all Muslims, deport all the Mexicans -- and then let everyone back in again. It's far worse than Rubio's plan was.
Posted by: TallDave at February 02, 2016 05:08 PM (/s1LA)
I can't really decide on whether you're more lying, more deranged, more stupid or more delusional.
ProTip: Muslims aren't loved here. You could do more to prop support for the Rube posting your inane copypasta crapola on the DailyKos.
Posted by: TallDave at February 02, 2016 05:08 PM (/s1LA)
I can't really decide on whether you're more lying, more deranged, more stupid or more delusional.
ProTip: Muslims aren't loved here. You could do more to prop support for the Rube posting your inane copypasta crapola on the DailyKos.
Posted by: Juicer at February 02, 2016 05:13 PM (QW1hJ)
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I think he'd do everything Hillary would but would make a great show ("failure theater") of only doing it because he wants so darn hard to work with the Democrats and accommodate all points of view, and hey, in the end we all want what's best for America, right?
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Rubio would appoint (nominate) vastly superior judges.
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Rubio would appoint (nominate) vastly superior judges.
Posted by: SH at February 02, 2016 05:13 PM (gmeXX)
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And that's why he's canoodling with Gillibrand to frame college men.
He has no principles except his own advancement.
Yeah, I could do somersaults and find an excuse for the Gang of 8.
The CASA thing means that he's willing to completely pander, or he didn't think through the ideology, or he doesn't care, or he's not one of us.
He has no principles except his own advancement.
Yeah, I could do somersaults and find an excuse for the Gang of 8.
The CASA thing means that he's willing to completely pander, or he didn't think through the ideology, or he doesn't care, or he's not one of us.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at February 02, 2016 05:13 PM (1xUj/)
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Two of 10 headlines at HA are about Rubio.
Posted by: Carol at February 02, 2016 05:14 PM (sj3Ax)
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The MSM wrecking ball has started swinging yet, and Cruz starts with some deficits, whereas Trump has ridden the wrecking ball, and has his own.
"We" don't have time to find out if Hillary will be indicted, so we must assume it is Hillary vindicated, with the full operational power of the MSM/Hollywood death star.
Trump might want to return to dancing with the ones that brung him ... trade and borders, and pointing to the Muslim invasion of Europe. But if he can't get it together to win NH/SC, I'm fine with going to Cruz.
So Trump has his proving ground ahead. Hope he gets more serious, if not, hope Cruz finds some super powers. He will face Hillary on steroids or whatever it takes to keep her animated, and the MSM will be her vicious flying monkeys that bite.
"We" don't have time to find out if Hillary will be indicted, so we must assume it is Hillary vindicated, with the full operational power of the MSM/Hollywood death star.
Trump might want to return to dancing with the ones that brung him ... trade and borders, and pointing to the Muslim invasion of Europe. But if he can't get it together to win NH/SC, I'm fine with going to Cruz.
So Trump has his proving ground ahead. Hope he gets more serious, if not, hope Cruz finds some super powers. He will face Hillary on steroids or whatever it takes to keep her animated, and the MSM will be her vicious flying monkeys that bite.
Posted by: Illiniwek at February 02, 2016 05:14 PM (5Gpe2)
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Heck, I even forgot the 45% Chinese tariff
Trump is not only not a conservative, he's not even mentally fit to be President.
Posted by: TallDave at February 02, 2016 05:06 PM (/s1LA)
I am not really a Trump fan bun I am enjoying his role as a disruptor.
your analysis doe not take into account how little thought lots of business executives in senior positions put into politics. most look at the numbers and put no thought into the policy.
Trump is not only not a conservative, he's not even mentally fit to be President.
Posted by: TallDave at February 02, 2016 05:06 PM (/s1LA)
I am not really a Trump fan bun I am enjoying his role as a disruptor.
your analysis doe not take into account how little thought lots of business executives in senior positions put into politics. most look at the numbers and put no thought into the policy.
Posted by: yankeefifth at February 02, 2016 05:14 PM (vb33c)
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How are you btw? Things good? I'm so down that Trump lost and hate that I'm down about it. That dumbass
Posted by: L, Elle at February 02, 2016 05:12 PM (2x3L+)
I'm good! I'm going out of town for a weekend coming up and that will be nice.
I liked Cruz though, so I'm happy today
Almost as happy as my friend, celebrating Rubio's 3rd place! lol.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 02, 2016 05:12 PM (2x3L+)
I'm good! I'm going out of town for a weekend coming up and that will be nice.
I liked Cruz though, so I'm happy today
Almost as happy as my friend, celebrating Rubio's 3rd place! lol.
Posted by: Lea at February 02, 2016 05:14 PM (lIU4e)
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@304 '...Except even on his "one issue" Trump is terrible. He wants to ban all Muslims, deport all the Mexicans -- and then let everyone back in again. It's far worse than Rubio's plan was.'
First of all, Rubio is not to be believed, and he's playing "me too". Second, the "let them all back in" is not to be believed (because the ones who actually end up getting booted out are NOT the ones we want back). What's with the "far worse" bit.
I AM slightly disappointed that Trump doesn't go further and say "Why would you put lawbreakers at the head of the line, instead of making it impossible for them to EVER immigrate?" but I have no illusions that Trump has any actual principles, aside from American nationalism.
First of all, Rubio is not to be believed, and he's playing "me too". Second, the "let them all back in" is not to be believed (because the ones who actually end up getting booted out are NOT the ones we want back). What's with the "far worse" bit.
I AM slightly disappointed that Trump doesn't go further and say "Why would you put lawbreakers at the head of the line, instead of making it impossible for them to EVER immigrate?" but I have no illusions that Trump has any actual principles, aside from American nationalism.
Posted by: Optimizer at February 02, 2016 05:15 PM (/q6+P)
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Then don't vote for him and spare us the concerned lectures. the "squishy center" theory of presidential elections is obsolete. 2012 should prove that.
Then don't vote for him and spare us the concerned lectures. the "squishy center" theory of presidential elections is obsolete. 2012 should prove that.
Posted by: Naes at February 02, 2016 05:15 PM (Ypc8j)
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>>so to recap, 1. dishonest, 2. stupid.
Also, the lying part with him saying one thing in English, and another in Spanish on Telemundo (IIIRC).
Isn't he *still* associated with the Facebook/Silicon Valley pro-immigration group with a conservative-sounding name?
Also, the lying part with him saying one thing in English, and another in Spanish on Telemundo (IIIRC).
Isn't he *still* associated with the Facebook/Silicon Valley pro-immigration group with a conservative-sounding name?
Posted by: Lizzy at February 02, 2016 05:15 PM (NOIQH)
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I think on the college thing, Rubio was bamboozled, he didn't know enough about it and was informed by "experts" that sold him a bill of goods. His handlers probably told him it would help him get elected too, and if you read the bill you'd see there was some good in it, just not enough to make up for all the bad.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 02, 2016 05:15 PM (39g3+)
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Winnipeg's official groundhog dies days before big event. Awkward.
https://weather.com/news/news/winnipeg-willow-dies?cm_ven=FB_SCI_JB_20116_8
https://weather.com/news/news/winnipeg-willow-dies?cm_ven=FB_SCI_JB_20116_8
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 02, 2016 05:15 PM (xcJZI)
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We need to get a tranquilizer gun and put one in chemjeff's ass.
We need to get a tranquilizer gun and put one in chemjeff's ass.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 02, 2016 05:15 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: torquewrench at February 02, 2016 05:15 PM (noWW6)
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I just had a thought. Remember the presidential yacht, the USS Sequoia?
Imagine the abuse a presidential yacht would have endured under Bath House Barry and Mooch.
Just throwing that out randomly.
Imagine the abuse a presidential yacht would have endured under Bath House Barry and Mooch.
Just throwing that out randomly.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2016 05:16 PM (FsuaD)
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Look at it this way, if Rubio doesn't get the nomination, and isn't picked for the VP, he's out of national politics for a good while. He's a young man, he can run for governor of Florida and after two terms, try again.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Sooth! at February 02, 2016 05:16 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: SMOD H2B at February 02, 2016 05:16 PM (3b9U4)
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I can't believe more people don't understand he is nothing but a con artist and always has been.
I know we're the Stupid Party, but I never thought we were that stupid.
Posted by: TallDave
they are all con men Tall Dave. sorry. and a lot of them live on other people's taxes just like Billy Mack, a detective down here.
I know we're the Stupid Party, but I never thought we were that stupid.
Posted by: TallDave
they are all con men Tall Dave. sorry. and a lot of them live on other people's taxes just like Billy Mack, a detective down here.
Posted by: x at February 02, 2016 05:16 PM (nFwvY)
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He is still not my top choice because I think Cruz is even better, but Rubio I think is a decent fall-back choice.
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We are few in number on this board. I would be fine with voting for Rubio. Cruz is my top choice too. But I would feel much better voting for Rubio than I did the last two. I really think Rubio needs some more seasoning / vetting / thinking. But I could get comfortable with him now. I also like that he is of my generation.
I will no put on my helmet as I expect the artillery to start flying at me.
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We are few in number on this board. I would be fine with voting for Rubio. Cruz is my top choice too. But I would feel much better voting for Rubio than I did the last two. I really think Rubio needs some more seasoning / vetting / thinking. But I could get comfortable with him now. I also like that he is of my generation.
I will no put on my helmet as I expect the artillery to start flying at me.
Posted by: SH at February 02, 2016 05:16 PM (gmeXX)
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Rubio is a great pick. And really the only one who could win. Besides Trump, Trump is such a wild card I don't know if he can win or not.
The race is down to Rubio and Trump.
The race is down to Rubio and Trump.
Posted by: petunia at February 02, 2016 05:16 PM (VoCyE)
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So perhaps our Trumpiod friends will lay off the kool aid for a week or two and start to see what a disaster Trump is?
I can hope, but I doubt it. Benito's fans are true believers.
I can hope, but I doubt it. Benito's fans are true believers.
Posted by: Nip Sip at February 02, 2016 05:16 PM (jJRIy)
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And don't be down, L,Elle! Do something fun and non-political.
Posted by: Lea at February 02, 2016 05:16 PM (lIU4e)
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Chris, I don't think it's that people don't understand what conservatism is. It's that, fifteen years after 9/11, it's never made it from rhetoric into action. George W Bush's presidency was an unremitting trial for outspoken conservatives that culminated in Obama and people like you and me being shut out of polite conversation.
We all believe in small government, equality before the law, personal responsibility, peace through strength, and the tenets of family, faith, and freedom.
The problem is translating that into something which can resist the neverending suck of the whirlpool of stars-and-the-moon liberalism, submission and collectivization. That's what we disagree on.
We all believe in small government, equality before the law, personal responsibility, peace through strength, and the tenets of family, faith, and freedom.
The problem is translating that into something which can resist the neverending suck of the whirlpool of stars-and-the-moon liberalism, submission and collectivization. That's what we disagree on.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 02, 2016 05:16 PM (xuouz)
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"Winnipeg's official groundhog dies days before big event."
And where again exactly was De Blasio when this occurred?
And where again exactly was De Blasio when this occurred?
Posted by: torquewrench at February 02, 2016 05:17 PM (noWW6)
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Here's how to understand Rubio.
When he joined the Gang of Eight it wasn't so clear that supporting Amnesty would be a Kiss of Death with the Base.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 02, 2016 05:09 PM (r1fLd)
That's just not true. Aid and comfort to invading illegals in 2006-2007 is what inflamed the base (enough to burn up the phones and stop it ... three times) and what led the GOP to become a total pariah. Anyone with a brain knew that the base would react violently to any such treason, again. There was never a question about this.
When he joined the Gang of Eight it wasn't so clear that supporting Amnesty would be a Kiss of Death with the Base.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 02, 2016 05:09 PM (r1fLd)
That's just not true. Aid and comfort to invading illegals in 2006-2007 is what inflamed the base (enough to burn up the phones and stop it ... three times) and what led the GOP to become a total pariah. Anyone with a brain knew that the base would react violently to any such treason, again. There was never a question about this.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 02, 2016 05:17 PM (zc3Db)
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We need to get a tranquilizer gun and put one in chemjeff's ass.
Why? What did he do?
Not that I'm against it, I just want a story for the cops.
Why? What did he do?
Not that I'm against it, I just want a story for the cops.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at February 02, 2016 05:17 PM (1xUj/)
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"We need to get a tranquilizer gun and put one in chemjeff's ass."
That guy has been on a tear since his failed experiment in cooking steak.
That guy has been on a tear since his failed experiment in cooking steak.
Posted by: Willburn Sooner at February 02, 2016 05:17 PM (P3GWR)
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I think on the college thing, Rubio was bamboozled
That seems to happen a lot. Rubio has completely failed to impress me in any way whatsoever.
That seems to happen a lot. Rubio has completely failed to impress me in any way whatsoever.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 02, 2016 05:17 PM (oVJmc)
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Look at it this way, if Rubio doesn't get the nomination, and isn't picked for the VP, he's out of national politics for a good while.
4-8 years on him and he might learn some useful lessons, straighten up, and be a bit more focused on conservatism as an idea rather than something he heard about and had cue cards about.
4-8 years on him and he might learn some useful lessons, straighten up, and be a bit more focused on conservatism as an idea rather than something he heard about and had cue cards about.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 02, 2016 05:18 PM (39g3+)
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Trump story at HA is that he'll still keep self funding, even though he gets no credit.
Posted by: Carol at February 02, 2016 05:18 PM (sj3Ax)
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Look at it this way, if Rubio doesn't get the nomination, and isn't picked for the VP, he's out of national politics for a good while.
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That may be the best thing for Rubio. He needs some seasoning. Develop a cogent conservative philosophy.
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That may be the best thing for Rubio. He needs some seasoning. Develop a cogent conservative philosophy.
Posted by: SH at February 02, 2016 05:18 PM (gmeXX)
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"Trump will smart enough to get rid of Obamacare and make a deal giving the democrats single payer on catastrophic. He'll do this because he's smart enough to know that the catastrophic segment of healthcare will only affect a tiny minority of people, while getting Health Savings Accounts for the everyday health needs is massive. "
Nope. This is an example of how doing something is worse than doing nothing. The next Dem president this "catastrophic healthcare for all" becomes "healthcare for all" becomes "rationing and government busybodies looking in your shopping cart."
Do. Not. Create. Any. More. Government. Programs. Ever.
Nope. This is an example of how doing something is worse than doing nothing. The next Dem president this "catastrophic healthcare for all" becomes "healthcare for all" becomes "rationing and government busybodies looking in your shopping cart."
Do. Not. Create. Any. More. Government. Programs. Ever.
Posted by: Lauren at February 02, 2016 05:18 PM (3DIzJ)
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Posted by: SH at February 02, 2016 05:16 PM (gmeXX)
I would vote for Rubio before Trump. But if Trump is the nominee I will end up voting for him.
I would vote for Rubio before Trump. But if Trump is the nominee I will end up voting for him.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 02, 2016 05:18 PM (5FQVt)
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347 So perhaps our Trumpiod friends will lay off the kool aid for a week or two and start to see what a disaster Trump is?
I can hope, but I doubt it. Benito's fans are true believers.
Posted by: Nip Sip at February 02, 2016 05:16 PM (jJRIy)
Alea iacta est
I can hope, but I doubt it. Benito's fans are true believers.
Posted by: Nip Sip at February 02, 2016 05:16 PM (jJRIy)
Alea iacta est
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 02, 2016 05:18 PM (xuouz)
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But I would feel much better voting for Rubio than I did the last two
Well yeah. Rubio is orders of magnitude better than Dole or McCain or Romney.
Well yeah. Rubio is orders of magnitude better than Dole or McCain or Romney.
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:18 PM (lVU49)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Sooth! at February 02, 2016 05:19 PM (evdj2)
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I think on the college thing, Rubio was bamboozled
Dark, Cuban and stupid is no way to run a country, son.
Dark, Cuban and stupid is no way to run a country, son.
Posted by: Dean Vernon Wormer at February 02, 2016 05:19 PM (8ZskC)
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Perot gave us Clinton, and that has been a complete disaster.
There is no up side to Trump, unless you just want Democracy to end and have something else now.
Posted by: petunia at February 02, 2016 05:12 PM (VoCyE)
Ssssoooooo.....
I guess Perot had nothing to do with them balancing the budget for a few years?
Had nothing to do with Clinton being pretty Centrist?
What gave us Bill Clinton, was a broken promise on Taxes, when a sitting President made a POOR DEAL with the Dems...
There is no up side to Trump, unless you just want Democracy to end and have something else now.
Posted by: petunia at February 02, 2016 05:12 PM (VoCyE)
Ssssoooooo.....
I guess Perot had nothing to do with them balancing the budget for a few years?
Had nothing to do with Clinton being pretty Centrist?
What gave us Bill Clinton, was a broken promise on Taxes, when a sitting President made a POOR DEAL with the Dems...
Posted by: Don Quixote, formerly BB Wolf, formerly Romeo13... at February 02, 2016 05:19 PM (f7rv6)
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0Do. Not. Create. Any. More. Government. Programs. Ever.
Posted by: Lauren at February 02, 2016 05:18 PM (3DIzJ)
Exhibit a: Homeland Security.
Posted by: Lauren at February 02, 2016 05:18 PM (3DIzJ)
Exhibit a: Homeland Security.
Posted by: Lea at February 02, 2016 05:20 PM (lIU4e)
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Hey Rush, how many private sector jobs has Rubio held? How much wealth has he created? What is his net effect on the taxpayer?
And then when we're paying his salary, what's he doing? Not senate-ing, because he's too good for this dumb little legislative job.
Basically he's GOPe's Barack - all style, no substance.
And then when we're paying his salary, what's he doing? Not senate-ing, because he's too good for this dumb little legislative job.
Basically he's GOPe's Barack - all style, no substance.
Posted by: 0302 at February 02, 2016 05:20 PM (wx6iv)
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Here's what it looks like to me, if you only consider 2 issues: immigration and bipartisanship (i.e., making deals).
Cruz wants to limit immigration and will probably have difficulty making deals.
Trump wants to limit immigration and wants to make deals.
Rubio wants to open up our borders and wants to make bad deals.
Trump is trying to sandwich himself between Cruz and Rubio with his recent proclamations to making deals. Bipartisanship makes him more attractive to the squishes that want DC to work.
Cruz wants to limit immigration and will probably have difficulty making deals.
Trump wants to limit immigration and wants to make deals.
Rubio wants to open up our borders and wants to make bad deals.
Trump is trying to sandwich himself between Cruz and Rubio with his recent proclamations to making deals. Bipartisanship makes him more attractive to the squishes that want DC to work.
Posted by: scrood at February 02, 2016 05:20 PM (3b9U4)
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But if Trump is the nominee I will end up voting for him.
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At this point, I do not think very likely so I have not entertained the possibility.
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At this point, I do not think very likely so I have not entertained the possibility.
Posted by: SH at February 02, 2016 05:20 PM (gmeXX)
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I realize it's dinner time, but it occurred to me to throw a recap into the mix:
THE TOP 5 REPUBLICAN CONTENDERS CONSIST OF 3 FRESHMAN SENATORS, A DOCTOR, and the CEO OF A LARGE COMPANY.
The nationalistic CEO of questionable conservatism is the only guy who has actually RUN damn near anything.
Sorry if that made you barf.
THE TOP 5 REPUBLICAN CONTENDERS CONSIST OF 3 FRESHMAN SENATORS, A DOCTOR, and the CEO OF A LARGE COMPANY.
The nationalistic CEO of questionable conservatism is the only guy who has actually RUN damn near anything.
Sorry if that made you barf.
Posted by: Optimizer at February 02, 2016 05:20 PM (/q6+P)
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I guess Perot had nothing to do with them balancing the budget for a few years?
Was Ross a Newt backer?
Was Ross a Newt backer?
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Sooth! at February 02, 2016 05:20 PM (evdj2)
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Testing. Could I get my iPod unblocked, please?
Posted by: mojo at February 02, 2016 05:20 PM (UdXAr)
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That seems to happen a lot. Rubio has completely failed to impress me in any way whatsoever.
Well, that's just the thing, he seems to lack judgment and I get the feeling that his conservatism is second hand rather than a core instinct and philosophy. That he gets conservative ideas from people he knows and listens to rather than from within because he understands the concepts.
I also get the feeling that he's easily manipulated and would be a rudderless ship in office.
Well, that's just the thing, he seems to lack judgment and I get the feeling that his conservatism is second hand rather than a core instinct and philosophy. That he gets conservative ideas from people he knows and listens to rather than from within because he understands the concepts.
I also get the feeling that he's easily manipulated and would be a rudderless ship in office.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 02, 2016 05:20 PM (39g3+)
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Rubio's Chief Of Staff is Cesar Conda.
Cesar Conda is an immigration attorney who represented Rubio during the Gof8 "negotiations". Cesar Conda also was on the editorial board for George Soros' magazine.
No g.d. way I'm voting for Rubio. (I'm not saying I won't be voting (PERIOD) or that I'll go full tantrum and vote for a Demorat.)
Cesar Conda is an immigration attorney who represented Rubio during the Gof8 "negotiations". Cesar Conda also was on the editorial board for George Soros' magazine.
No g.d. way I'm voting for Rubio. (I'm not saying I won't be voting (PERIOD) or that I'll go full tantrum and vote for a Demorat.)
Posted by: CozMark at February 02, 2016 05:21 PM (CbGSW)
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Hard to understand the hate so many have for Rubio, including Ace. It's difficult to believe it's driven by policy issues. Rubio supported a couple of bad bills and that's assuming one can't be conservative and support a solution to the illegal immigration situation that is actually feasible and not the deranged "let's just deport 15 million people and let the economy sink". Who on earth is so obsessed over a single bill? It just sounds crazy.
Also, do most of you people also think Milton Friedman was some maoist commie or something?
Also, do most of you people also think Milton Friedman was some maoist commie or something?
Posted by: MBoll at February 02, 2016 05:21 PM (89I+i)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 02, 2016 05:21 PM (ODxAs)
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IP. Stupid spell check.
Posted by: mojo at February 02, 2016 05:21 PM (UdXAr)
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Pappy O'Daniel: "Rubio has completely failed to impress me in any way whatsoever."
To be fair, his retelling of his early biography is impressive. He regurgitates that with aplomb.
To be fair, his retelling of his early biography is impressive. He regurgitates that with aplomb.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 02, 2016 05:22 PM (1CroS)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Sooth! at February 02, 2016 05:22 PM (evdj2)
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That seems to happen a lot. Rubio has completely failed to impress me in any way whatsoever.
Well, that's just the thing, he seems to lack judgment and I get the feeling that his conservatism is second hand rather than a core instinct and philosophy. That he gets conservative ideas from people he knows and listens to rather than from within because he understands the concepts.
I also get the feeling that he's easily manipulated and would be a rudderless ship in office.
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I think there is a seed of solid conservatism there for him to cultivate. While I would support him should he be the nominee, I do agree with you analysis.
Well, that's just the thing, he seems to lack judgment and I get the feeling that his conservatism is second hand rather than a core instinct and philosophy. That he gets conservative ideas from people he knows and listens to rather than from within because he understands the concepts.
I also get the feeling that he's easily manipulated and would be a rudderless ship in office.
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I think there is a seed of solid conservatism there for him to cultivate. While I would support him should he be the nominee, I do agree with you analysis.
Posted by: SH at February 02, 2016 05:22 PM (gmeXX)
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Have I been shadowbanned? Or am I just boring?
Goodnight 'rons, 'ettes, and sundry trolls and sockpuppets
Goodnight 'rons, 'ettes, and sundry trolls and sockpuppets
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at February 02, 2016 05:22 PM (xuouz)
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Hannity is so far up Trump's ass it's ridiculous. Hard to listen to...
Posted by: Timon at February 02, 2016 05:22 PM (KSonr)
Posted by: Ralph at February 02, 2016 05:23 PM (PMkYS)
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Rubio is orders of magnitude better than Dole or McCain or Romney.
In the same way that a mouthful of moose semen is orders of magnitude better than a mouthful of dog shit.
In the same way that a mouthful of moose semen is orders of magnitude better than a mouthful of dog shit.
Posted by: V the K at February 02, 2016 05:23 PM (G/+Ma)
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Posted by: MBoll at February 02, 2016 05:21 PM (89I+i)
Well, AoSHQ "conservatism" on the issue of immigration is something along the lines of "kick the Mexicans out and if they try to sneak back, send the Army to kill them"
Well, AoSHQ "conservatism" on the issue of immigration is something along the lines of "kick the Mexicans out and if they try to sneak back, send the Army to kill them"
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:23 PM (lVU49)
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Limbaugh says Rubio is Conservative?
Funny. I distinctly remember him saying the same thing about Bush II.
Just sayin'.
Funny. I distinctly remember him saying the same thing about Bush II.
Just sayin'.
Posted by: Luke at February 02, 2016 05:23 PM (3rDN8)
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MBoll at February 02, 2016 05:21 PM
What does Rubio have to do with Milton Friedman? Or vice versa?
What does Rubio have to do with Milton Friedman? Or vice versa?
Posted by: Willburn Sooner at February 02, 2016 05:23 PM (P3GWR)
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I guess Perot had nothing to do with them balancing the budget for a few years?
No, he had nothing to do with anything except making sure Bush lost.
No, he had nothing to do with anything except making sure Bush lost.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 02, 2016 05:23 PM (39g3+)
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288 I hardly ever listen to Rush any more. What with constantly hawking his wife's busy work tea, just "no."
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2016 05:06 PM (FsuaD)
You mean talk 5 mins then commercial. Talk 5 mins then commercials and Top/bottom of the hour news and traffic. Dude's raking in the dough thats for sure.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2016 05:06 PM (FsuaD)
You mean talk 5 mins then commercial. Talk 5 mins then commercials and Top/bottom of the hour news and traffic. Dude's raking in the dough thats for sure.
Posted by: cajun caret at February 02, 2016 05:23 PM (UZQM8)
389
support a solution to the illegal immigration situation that is actually feasible
Enjoy your bark soup.
Enjoy your bark soup.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Sooth! at February 02, 2016 05:23 PM (evdj2)
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Neither Cruz nor Rubio will ever get my vote. Both have been shameless purveyors of shamnesty in the past and neither is trustworthy. With Trump pushing the immigration issue both to the front and to the right, a Cruz presidency may very well feel impelled to take action relatively early in office to push it out of the way. That will likely mean a few milquetoast enforcement measures combined with a de facto amnesty.
Make no mistake, Cruz is a cuckservative just like Rubio and ideology doesn't count for much when adherence to it is largely a series of political stunts as in the case of Cruz.
Make no mistake, Cruz is a cuckservative just like Rubio and ideology doesn't count for much when adherence to it is largely a series of political stunts as in the case of Cruz.
Posted by: Mike X. at February 02, 2016 05:23 PM (nx9Dt)
391
Rubio gets third and all his fanboys that actually want to hump his garbage start coming out of the woodwork.
Posted by: buzzion at February 02, 2016 05:23 PM (z/Ubi)
392
Hard to understand the hate so many have for Rubio,
Posted by: MBoll at February 02, 2016 05:21 PM (89I+i)
He's a treasonous little worm. That clear it up for you?
Posted by: MBoll at February 02, 2016 05:21 PM (89I+i)
He's a treasonous little worm. That clear it up for you?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 02, 2016 05:23 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Sooth! at February 02, 2016 05:24 PM (evdj2)
394
didn't perot bail on his navy commitment early?
Posted by: yankeefifth at February 02, 2016 05:24 PM (vb33c)
395
I suppose if Rubiomentum is real enough to keep him in a close 3rd place.
That Cruz/Rubio would be the best we could hope for.
Assuming 8 years of Cruz, maaaaayyyyyybe we could survive 4 years of Rubio-
until he gets his ass thrown out of office for being a lying douche like HW "Read my Lips. No new taxes" Bush.
2nd verse, same as the first
That Cruz/Rubio would be the best we could hope for.
Assuming 8 years of Cruz, maaaaayyyyyybe we could survive 4 years of Rubio-
until he gets his ass thrown out of office for being a lying douche like HW "Read my Lips. No new taxes" Bush.
2nd verse, same as the first
Posted by: naturalfake at February 02, 2016 05:24 PM (0cMkb)
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Rubio has no executive experience (nor does Cruz), has shown to be a GOPe team player on amnesty, owes his job to Florida GOPe types, fakes his passion on the important issues and will be the same as Paul Ryan has turned out to be.
Cruz --can we trust or not? I am a Cruz guy but the Goldman Sachs connection troubles me greatly. Damn I love is brain and constitutionalist mindset and that the GOPe hates him is a yuuuuge plus. No executive expercience, voice is a bit of a nasally whine (turns off many LIVs I think) and his wit and arguments fly over the heads of probably 60% of the voters. Electability is very questionable for the wrong reasons-not that likeable. Idiots head to the polls in presidential elections and the US has a surplusage of dumbed down idiots. As with Mittens, the media will define him as a Christian Freak that would hunt abortion doctors if he was not in the Senate. Too vulnerable to risk in these dangerous times, IMHO (sadly).
Trump knows bidness, loves America and hires the right people to get a particular job done. He talks through, around and over the press. Unprincipled politically but has raised a nice family and any dirt from business is dirt all acquire in working in NYC. I think he is sincere on the Wall and his coming out for a total hold on Syrian rapists, er, refugees took balls. His whining and left-like attacks on Cruz was the biggest negative and I wish he would tone down (I think it was because Iowa and Cruz had to be checked.) Any president has to "work with" the 'rats so as long as the end goal is proper, no fucking biggie there. It also appeals to the middle and conflict averse LIVs. He needs to tone down the braggadocio schtick and get some public lady parts support out front. NRO (nee GOPe) hit him with all they had so that is an excellent sign. He will have a lot of cross-over and new voters IF he tones down a bit. He can still drive the MFM crazy, just knock off the birther/"he's a liar" crap (unless referring to Hillary as everybody agrees she's a liar) and start hitting what he will DO to "Make America Great Again"
Cruz --can we trust or not? I am a Cruz guy but the Goldman Sachs connection troubles me greatly. Damn I love is brain and constitutionalist mindset and that the GOPe hates him is a yuuuuge plus. No executive expercience, voice is a bit of a nasally whine (turns off many LIVs I think) and his wit and arguments fly over the heads of probably 60% of the voters. Electability is very questionable for the wrong reasons-not that likeable. Idiots head to the polls in presidential elections and the US has a surplusage of dumbed down idiots. As with Mittens, the media will define him as a Christian Freak that would hunt abortion doctors if he was not in the Senate. Too vulnerable to risk in these dangerous times, IMHO (sadly).
Trump knows bidness, loves America and hires the right people to get a particular job done. He talks through, around and over the press. Unprincipled politically but has raised a nice family and any dirt from business is dirt all acquire in working in NYC. I think he is sincere on the Wall and his coming out for a total hold on Syrian rapists, er, refugees took balls. His whining and left-like attacks on Cruz was the biggest negative and I wish he would tone down (I think it was because Iowa and Cruz had to be checked.) Any president has to "work with" the 'rats so as long as the end goal is proper, no fucking biggie there. It also appeals to the middle and conflict averse LIVs. He needs to tone down the braggadocio schtick and get some public lady parts support out front. NRO (nee GOPe) hit him with all they had so that is an excellent sign. He will have a lot of cross-over and new voters IF he tones down a bit. He can still drive the MFM crazy, just knock off the birther/"he's a liar" crap (unless referring to Hillary as everybody agrees she's a liar) and start hitting what he will DO to "Make America Great Again"
Posted by: oddnot not liking these times at February 02, 2016 05:24 PM (g1MTt)
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@364 "... There is no up side to Trump, unless you just want Democracy to end and have something else now."
She had to go and turn herself into a troll, didn't she?
She had to go and turn herself into a troll, didn't she?
Posted by: Optimizer at February 02, 2016 05:24 PM (/q6+P)
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This talk about re-"reforming" healthcare...I'm going to have a rant about that later this evening.
Advanced summary: It's going to be worse than you think.
Advanced summary: It's going to be worse than you think.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at February 02, 2016 05:24 PM (9krrF)
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Well, AoSHQ "conservatism" on the issue of immigration is something along the lines of "kick the Mexicans out and if they try to sneak back, send the Army to kill them"
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:23 PM (lVU49)
Liar.
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:23 PM (lVU49)
Liar.
Posted by: buzzion at February 02, 2016 05:24 PM (z/Ubi)
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Well yeah. Rubio is orders of magnitude better than Dole or McCain or Romney.
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:18 PM (lVU49)
All four suck politically.
But Dole and McCain both bled for this country, and Romney created more wealth and jobs than the other three combined by an order of magnitude.
Rubio? Crickets.
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:18 PM (lVU49)
All four suck politically.
But Dole and McCain both bled for this country, and Romney created more wealth and jobs than the other three combined by an order of magnitude.
Rubio? Crickets.
Posted by: 0302 at February 02, 2016 05:25 PM (wx6iv)
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Trump is such a wild card, I don't know if he can win--someone up thread.
Yes, he can win, and he probably will, IF he gets through the primaries, and IF the GOP doesn't broker a convention.
But, he'll still be a wild card.
Weird times in politics these days.
Yes, he can win, and he probably will, IF he gets through the primaries, and IF the GOP doesn't broker a convention.
But, he'll still be a wild card.
Weird times in politics these days.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 02, 2016 05:25 PM (kKHcp)
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Rubio supported a couple of bad bills
He didn't just support the Schumer Amnesty Bill, he went all-in.
that's assuming one can't be conservative and support a solution to the illegal immigration situation that is actually feasible
The Schumer Amnesty bill was not a "solution" to the illegal immigration situation, unless you think the problem with illegal immigration is there aren't enough and it takes too long to turn them into Democrat voters.
He didn't just support the Schumer Amnesty Bill, he went all-in.
that's assuming one can't be conservative and support a solution to the illegal immigration situation that is actually feasible
The Schumer Amnesty bill was not a "solution" to the illegal immigration situation, unless you think the problem with illegal immigration is there aren't enough and it takes too long to turn them into Democrat voters.
Posted by: V the K at February 02, 2016 05:25 PM (G/+Ma)
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He'll nominate his pro-abortion sister.
osted by: Benji Carver at February 02, 2016 04:37 PM (OD2ni)
More analysis based, not on examining a lifetime of political work, but ... what exactly?
He said something nice about his SISTER?
The man clearly is a monster.
osted by: Benji Carver at February 02, 2016 04:37 PM (OD2ni)
More analysis based, not on examining a lifetime of political work, but ... what exactly?
He said something nice about his SISTER?
The man clearly is a monster.
Posted by: Rick Tingles at February 02, 2016 05:25 PM (rwt9d)
404
owes his job to Florida GOPe types,
umm, he had to fight *against* the Florida GOPe (Charlie Crist anyone?) in order to win
umm, he had to fight *against* the Florida GOPe (Charlie Crist anyone?) in order to win
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:25 PM (lVU49)
405
365
0Do. Not. Create. Any. More. Government. Programs. Ever.
Posted by: Lauren at February 02, 2016 05:18 PM (3DIzJ)
Exhibit a: Homeland Security.
Posted by: Lea at February 02, 2016 05:20 PM (lIU4e)
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Exhibit B: Dept. ofEducation Indoctrination
0Do. Not. Create. Any. More. Government. Programs. Ever.
Posted by: Lauren at February 02, 2016 05:18 PM (3DIzJ)
Exhibit a: Homeland Security.
Posted by: Lea at February 02, 2016 05:20 PM (lIU4e)
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Exhibit B: Dept. of
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2016 05:25 PM (FsuaD)
406
Torque wrench,
I didn't bother to read either story about Rubio.
I didn't bother to read either story about Rubio.
Posted by: Carol at February 02, 2016 05:25 PM (sj3Ax)
407
"Trump will be smart enough to get rid of Obamacare and make a deal giving the democrats single payer on catastrophic."
Much as I would like to, we can't just repeal ObamaCare. There could be value in including certain chronic illnesses like diabetes in this. The alternative of getting the Federal government out of healthcare is no longer a politically viable option.
Much as I would like to, we can't just repeal ObamaCare. There could be value in including certain chronic illnesses like diabetes in this. The alternative of getting the Federal government out of healthcare is no longer a politically viable option.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 02, 2016 05:26 PM (r1fLd)
408
Romney was an order of magnitude better than McCain or Dole. And his immigration policy was not malicious.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 02, 2016 05:26 PM (5FQVt)
409
That may be the best thing for Rubio. He needs some seasoning. Develop a cogent conservative philosophy.
Run a business. Make bank. Make payroll. Pay onerous business taxes. Pay onerous personal taxes. Have skin in the game. Lose some skin.
Run a business. Make bank. Make payroll. Pay onerous business taxes. Pay onerous personal taxes. Have skin in the game. Lose some skin.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 02, 2016 05:26 PM (jqZ8a)
410
Well, that's just the thing, he seems to lack
judgment and I get the feeling that his conservatism is second hand
rather than a core instinct and philosophy. That he gets conservative
ideas from people he knows and listens to rather than from within
because he understands the concepts.
I also get the feeling that he's easily manipulated and would be a rudderless ship in office.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 02, 2016 05:20 PM (39g3+)
=================================================
There's name for that. They even gave a Disney dwarf that name. Dopey.
That said, I think Rubio is the most electable candidate. I don't want him, but I think he has the best shot.
judgment and I get the feeling that his conservatism is second hand
rather than a core instinct and philosophy. That he gets conservative
ideas from people he knows and listens to rather than from within
because he understands the concepts.
I also get the feeling that he's easily manipulated and would be a rudderless ship in office.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 02, 2016 05:20 PM (39g3+)
=================================================
There's name for that. They even gave a Disney dwarf that name. Dopey.
That said, I think Rubio is the most electable candidate. I don't want him, but I think he has the best shot.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 02, 2016 05:26 PM (dFi94)
411
370 I guess Perot had nothing to do with them balancing the budget for a few years?
Was Ross a Newt backer?
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Sooth! at February 02, 2016 05:20 PM (evdj2)
Perot was the one who put that Issue into the National spotlight... that and NAFTA were his signature issues...
IMO his threat to the two party stranglehold on power created the conditions where they felt they had to balance the budget...
Note... as soon as the Perot threat was gone... so was the balanced budget.
Was Ross a Newt backer?
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Sooth! at February 02, 2016 05:20 PM (evdj2)
Perot was the one who put that Issue into the National spotlight... that and NAFTA were his signature issues...
IMO his threat to the two party stranglehold on power created the conditions where they felt they had to balance the budget...
Note... as soon as the Perot threat was gone... so was the balanced budget.
Posted by: Don Quixote, formerly BB Wolf, formerly Romeo13... at February 02, 2016 05:26 PM (f7rv6)
412
Rubio IS a Conservative.
If Conservative = open borders, war in the NE, bad trade deals and boat loads of PC platitudes. And that IS what Conservative has meant for the last 25 years.
Fuck that Conservatism. Adios Rush.
If Conservative = open borders, war in the NE, bad trade deals and boat loads of PC platitudes. And that IS what Conservative has meant for the last 25 years.
Fuck that Conservatism. Adios Rush.
Posted by: dark helmet at February 02, 2016 05:26 PM (dq4fo)
413
Well, AoSHQ "conservatism" on the issue of immigration is something along the lines of "kick the Mexicans out and if they try to sneak back, send the Army to kill them"
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:23 PM (lVU49)
That's just ridiculous. Illegals are illegals. Mexico figures prominently in that they have a border with us and have been using that border to promote an invasion of us, by Mexicans and anyone else who comes through their country.
You really have no respect for the concept of national sovereignty, do you? The Founders were sort of big on the whole sovereignty thing ...
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:23 PM (lVU49)
That's just ridiculous. Illegals are illegals. Mexico figures prominently in that they have a border with us and have been using that border to promote an invasion of us, by Mexicans and anyone else who comes through their country.
You really have no respect for the concept of national sovereignty, do you? The Founders were sort of big on the whole sovereignty thing ...
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 02, 2016 05:26 PM (zc3Db)
414
Winnipeg's official groundhog dies days before big event. Awkward.
"We are in complete shock and sadness with tears coming down our face," an organizer with the PWRC wrote on Facebook. "She was acting her normal self [Friday] morning and eating a carrot, but came in this evening to find her gone."
Cannot rule out pyscho newsman as the culprit.
"We are in complete shock and sadness with tears coming down our face," an organizer with the PWRC wrote on Facebook. "She was acting her normal self [Friday] morning and eating a carrot, but came in this evening to find her gone."
Cannot rule out pyscho newsman as the culprit.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 02, 2016 05:26 PM (uURQL)
415
Well, AoSHQ "conservatism" on the issue of
immigration is something along the lines of "kick the Mexicans out and
if they try to sneak back, send the Army to kill them"
.Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:23 PM (lVU49)
Well, don't kill them. Just don't let them back in. And don't forget the Muslims.
immigration is something along the lines of "kick the Mexicans out and
if they try to sneak back, send the Army to kill them"
.Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:23 PM (lVU49)
Well, don't kill them. Just don't let them back in. And don't forget the Muslims.
Posted by: Ralph at February 02, 2016 05:26 PM (PMkYS)
416
Posted by: buzzion at February 02, 2016 05:24 PM (z/Ubi)
Weren't you in favor of sending the Army to "secure the border" against the Mexican "invasion"?
Weren't you in favor of sending the Army to "secure the border" against the Mexican "invasion"?
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:26 PM (lVU49)
417
The Schumer Amnesty bill was not a "solution" to the illegal immigration situation, unless you think the problem with illegal immigration is there aren't enough and it takes too long to turn them into Democrat voters.
Posted by: V the K at February 02, 2016 05:25 PM (G/+Ma)
Rubio is an amnesty and LGBT Obama-style Mandarin.
Posted by: V the K at February 02, 2016 05:25 PM (G/+Ma)
Rubio is an amnesty and LGBT Obama-style Mandarin.
Posted by: Rick Tingles at February 02, 2016 05:27 PM (rwt9d)
418
umm, he had to fight *against* the Florida GOPe (Charlie Crist anyone?) in order to win
Point of order, a fight *within* a thing is not the same as a fight *against* a thing.
Point of order, a fight *within* a thing is not the same as a fight *against* a thing.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at February 02, 2016 05:27 PM (9krrF)
419
Yes, what about Rubio's beloved "CASA" bill he's co-sponsoring with Clare "Sky Queen" McCaskill? CASA is the Orwellian "presumed guilty & no recourse to legal process, either" campus rape bill.
CASA proves that Gamg of 8 isn't just a one-off. It's a pattern.
Why do I think none of Rubio's many admirers here will be explaining his support for CASA? Did Rubio ever even acknowledge his mistake on CASA?
I know when a reporter asked him about the rights of the accused, Rubio said? "This bill isn't about that."
And how, Marco!
CASA proves that Gamg of 8 isn't just a one-off. It's a pattern.
Why do I think none of Rubio's many admirers here will be explaining his support for CASA? Did Rubio ever even acknowledge his mistake on CASA?
I know when a reporter asked him about the rights of the accused, Rubio said? "This bill isn't about that."
And how, Marco!
Posted by: mnw (rare and flounced) at February 02, 2016 05:27 PM (GXwGP)
420
That's just ridiculous. Illegals are illegals. Mexico figures
prominently in that they have a border with us and have been using that
border to promote an invasion of us, by Mexicans and anyone else who
comes through their country.
How ridiculous is it, exactly?
What do you think is the proper remedy for, in your words, a purposeful invasion?
prominently in that they have a border with us and have been using that
border to promote an invasion of us, by Mexicans and anyone else who
comes through their country.
How ridiculous is it, exactly?
What do you think is the proper remedy for, in your words, a purposeful invasion?
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:27 PM (lVU49)
421
The alternative of getting the Federal government out of healthcare is no longer a politically viable option.
Then sooner or later it's NHS for you younguns.
Then sooner or later it's NHS for you younguns.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Sooth! at February 02, 2016 05:27 PM (evdj2)
422
Well, AoSHQ "conservatism" on the issue of immigration is something along the lines of "kick the Mexicans out and if they try to sneak back, send the Army to kill them"
The "conservative" thing to do is to give away America to Mexicans.
Status quo, you know? Hey, at least they'll inherit our national debt!
The "conservative" thing to do is to give away America to Mexicans.
Status quo, you know? Hey, at least they'll inherit our national debt!
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 02, 2016 05:28 PM (uURQL)
423
405 365
0Do. Not. Create. Any. More. Government. Programs. Ever.
Posted by: Lauren at February 02, 2016 05:18 PM (3DIzJ)
Exhibit a: Homeland Security.
Posted by: Lea at February 02, 2016 05:20 PM (lIU4e)
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Exhibit B: Dept. of Education Indoctrination
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2016 05:25 PM (FsuaD)
Exhibit C? Dick Nixon's EPA....
0Do. Not. Create. Any. More. Government. Programs. Ever.
Posted by: Lauren at February 02, 2016 05:18 PM (3DIzJ)
Exhibit a: Homeland Security.
Posted by: Lea at February 02, 2016 05:20 PM (lIU4e)
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Exhibit B: Dept. of Education Indoctrination
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2016 05:25 PM (FsuaD)
Exhibit C? Dick Nixon's EPA....
Posted by: Don Quixote, formerly BB Wolf, formerly Romeo13... at February 02, 2016 05:28 PM (f7rv6)
424
Well, I'd prefer 1825, but that's just me.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 02, 2016 05:28 PM (LUgeY)
425
There's also the aspect that Trump will have no compunction whatsoever to go after Hillary, while the other guys go full PC like the last two. Assuming she isn't thrown in jail, anyway.
Posted by: Optimizer at February 02, 2016 05:28 PM (/q6+P)
426
384
Posted by: MBoll at February 02, 2016 05:21 PM (89I+i)
Well, AoSHQ "conservatism" on the issue of immigration is something along the lines of "kick the Mexicans out and if they try to sneak back, send the Army to kill them"
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:23 PM (lVU49)
Tearing up the strawmen today, eh?
Posted by: MBoll at February 02, 2016 05:21 PM (89I+i)
Well, AoSHQ "conservatism" on the issue of immigration is something along the lines of "kick the Mexicans out and if they try to sneak back, send the Army to kill them"
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:23 PM (lVU49)
Tearing up the strawmen today, eh?
Posted by: Harry Reid at February 02, 2016 05:28 PM (3dOE/)
427
That may be the best thing for Rubio. He needs some seasoning. Develop a cogent conservative philosophy.
Run a business. Make bank. Make payroll. Pay onerous business taxes. Pay onerous personal taxes. Have skin in the game. Lose some skin.
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That would be good too. Though not a necessity. Work at some think tank. Talk to business owners. Listen to people. Become govenor. Anything really. Don't be a cabinet member. Don't be a lobbyist.
But he may become President, so all that advice is worthless.
Run a business. Make bank. Make payroll. Pay onerous business taxes. Pay onerous personal taxes. Have skin in the game. Lose some skin.
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That would be good too. Though not a necessity. Work at some think tank. Talk to business owners. Listen to people. Become govenor. Anything really. Don't be a cabinet member. Don't be a lobbyist.
But he may become President, so all that advice is worthless.
Posted by: SH at February 02, 2016 05:28 PM (gmeXX)
428
Remember: Rubio went on and on about the super tough border security provisions in the Schumer Amnesty bill.
Here's what was actually in the bill about Border Security.
1. Obama's Secretary of DHS had two years... TWO YEARS ... to present Congress with a plan to secure the border.
2. If Obama's Secretary of DHS did not present Congress with a plan within two years, Congress would convene a bipartisan commission to find out why DHS didn't come up with a border security plan.
And that's what Rubio meant by "Tough Border Security"
Here's what was actually in the bill about Border Security.
1. Obama's Secretary of DHS had two years... TWO YEARS ... to present Congress with a plan to secure the border.
2. If Obama's Secretary of DHS did not present Congress with a plan within two years, Congress would convene a bipartisan commission to find out why DHS didn't come up with a border security plan.
And that's what Rubio meant by "Tough Border Security"
Posted by: V the K at February 02, 2016 05:28 PM (G/+Ma)
429
The "conservative" thing to do is to give away America to Mexicans.
Status quo, you know? Hey, at least they'll inherit our national debt!
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 02, 2016 05:28 PM (uURQL)
Mmmm fresh meat!
The "conservative" thing to do is to give away America to Mexicans.
Status quo, you know? Hey, at least they'll inherit our national debt!
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 02, 2016 05:28 PM (uURQL)
Mmmm fresh meat!
Posted by: False Choice Fallacy Monster at February 02, 2016 05:29 PM (lVU49)
Posted by: Naes at February 02, 2016 05:29 PM (Ypc8j)
431
Tearing up the strawmen today, eh?
Posted by: Harry Reid at February 02, 2016 05:28 PM (3dOE/)
I'm not far off the mark, not my faulty if you don't like the picture in the mirror
Posted by: Harry Reid at February 02, 2016 05:28 PM (3dOE/)
I'm not far off the mark, not my faulty if you don't like the picture in the mirror
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:30 PM (lVU49)
432
And is it just me, or (and I'm kind of OK with Cruz, although I really, really don't like the dirty tricks I was seeing) is Cruz EXACTLY what you expect to see, mannerism and tone-wise, if you built a politician robot?
Posted by: Optimizer at February 02, 2016 05:30 PM (/q6+P)
433
"Romney created more wealth and jobs than the other three combined by an order of magnitude."
Romney wasn't so great at creating US jobs actually. Bain Capital did little VC investment and was much more of an LBO shop that tended to cut positions and outsource jobs. A lot of the value add was using a lot of debt to cut corporate taxes. And he got rich off dreaded Carried Interest.
I'm not taking a moral position on this. It was just a fact that Romney's business background was actually a liability. Which Obama pounded in in places like Ohio.
Romney wasn't so great at creating US jobs actually. Bain Capital did little VC investment and was much more of an LBO shop that tended to cut positions and outsource jobs. A lot of the value add was using a lot of debt to cut corporate taxes. And he got rich off dreaded Carried Interest.
I'm not taking a moral position on this. It was just a fact that Romney's business background was actually a liability. Which Obama pounded in in places like Ohio.
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 02, 2016 05:30 PM (r1fLd)
434
Mmmm fresh meat!
Posted by: False Choice Fallacy Monster at February 02, 2016 05:29 PM (lVU49)
What state do you live in, chemjeff?
I'm in California.
Posted by: False Choice Fallacy Monster at February 02, 2016 05:29 PM (lVU49)
What state do you live in, chemjeff?
I'm in California.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 02, 2016 05:30 PM (uURQL)
435
The alternative of getting the Federal government out of healthcare is no longer a politically viable option.
What politics won't fix, math will.
What politics won't fix, math will.
Posted by: V the K at February 02, 2016 05:30 PM (G/+Ma)
436
414
Winnipeg's official groundhog dies days before big event. Awkward.
"We are in complete shock and sadness with tears coming down our
face," an organizer with the PWRC wrote on Facebook. "She was acting her
normal self [Friday] morning and eating a carrot, but came in this
evening to find her gone."
Didn't NYC's commie mayor drop a groundhog and cause its death?
Winnipeg's official groundhog dies days before big event. Awkward.
"We are in complete shock and sadness with tears coming down our
face," an organizer with the PWRC wrote on Facebook. "She was acting her
normal self [Friday] morning and eating a carrot, but came in this
evening to find her gone."
Didn't NYC's commie mayor drop a groundhog and cause its death?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2016 05:30 PM (FsuaD)
437
I think there is a seed of solid conservatism there for him to cultivate.
I think so too, and with some seasoning maybe he can grow into a more palatable candidate. I was hoping for the same thing with Perry but the man is incompetent at campaigning, apparently.
I think so too, and with some seasoning maybe he can grow into a more palatable candidate. I was hoping for the same thing with Perry but the man is incompetent at campaigning, apparently.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 02, 2016 05:30 PM (39g3+)
438
400 Well yeah. Rubio is orders of magnitude better than Dole or McCain or Romney.
Posted by: chemjeff
You misspelled "same as".
Rubio is the love child of George Bush and. John McCain.
Posted by: chemjeff
You misspelled "same as".
Rubio is the love child of George Bush and. John McCain.
Posted by: dark helmet at February 02, 2016 05:31 PM (dq4fo)
439
Weren't you in favor of sending the Army to "secure the border" against the Mexican "invasion"?
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:26 PM (lVU49)
I am for militarizing the border with Mexico. A national border is a serious thing that should be taken very seriously by people on the other side. No one should even think that they can just try to prance across a national border. They should risk their lives doing that, and it should be a bad enough risk that they stop trying.
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:26 PM (lVU49)
I am for militarizing the border with Mexico. A national border is a serious thing that should be taken very seriously by people on the other side. No one should even think that they can just try to prance across a national border. They should risk their lives doing that, and it should be a bad enough risk that they stop trying.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 02, 2016 05:31 PM (zc3Db)
440
Winnipeg's official groundhog dies days before big event.
A Canadian that did not meet expectations.
A Canadian that did not meet expectations.
Posted by: DaveA at February 02, 2016 05:31 PM (DL2i+)
441
"and not the deranged 'let's just deport 15 million people and let the economy sink'."
Deporting 15 million illegal aliens, a very large cohort among whom are already drawing government largesse of various sorts, would shrink the budget deficit at both federal and state levels.
It would also get back to work a lot of unemployed Americans who have been displaced in labor markets by said illegal aliens. And who will when employed keep all of their earnings in America, rather than remitting them abroad.
And our crime rate plus associated costs will drop sharply.
Yeah, you're right. This sounds disastrous. We better steer clear.
Deporting 15 million illegal aliens, a very large cohort among whom are already drawing government largesse of various sorts, would shrink the budget deficit at both federal and state levels.
It would also get back to work a lot of unemployed Americans who have been displaced in labor markets by said illegal aliens. And who will when employed keep all of their earnings in America, rather than remitting them abroad.
And our crime rate plus associated costs will drop sharply.
Yeah, you're right. This sounds disastrous. We better steer clear.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 02, 2016 05:32 PM (noWW6)
442
Perry but the man is incompetent at campaigning, apparently.
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I'd say debating. He is known to be a good retail politician.
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I'd say debating. He is known to be a good retail politician.
Posted by: SH at February 02, 2016 05:32 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Sooth! at February 02, 2016 05:32 PM (evdj2)
444
@428
Good ... God.
Why do countries build armies, when they can just put their tanks and planes away and just walk on in and supplant us?
Good ... God.
Why do countries build armies, when they can just put their tanks and planes away and just walk on in and supplant us?
Posted by: Optimizer at February 02, 2016 05:32 PM (/q6+P)
445
@374
It's very simple.
We supported Rubio in his insurgent candidacy against Crist and the national Republican party.
And the first thing he did upon winning, was betray us.
Screw him with a cactus.
It's very simple.
We supported Rubio in his insurgent candidacy against Crist and the national Republican party.
And the first thing he did upon winning, was betray us.
Screw him with a cactus.
Posted by: Luke at February 02, 2016 05:32 PM (3rDN8)
446
In important news, ace is twittering with someone named "Sweater Yams".
That there is a turn of phrase
That there is a turn of phrase
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at February 02, 2016 05:32 PM (1xUj/)
447
415 Well, AoSHQ "conservatism" on the issue of
immigration is something along the lines of "kick the Mexicans out and
if they try to sneak back, send the Army to kill them"
.Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:23 PM (lVU49)
Well, don't kill them. Just don't let them back in. And don't forget the Muslims.
Posted by: Ralph at February 02, 2016 05:26 PM (PMkYS)
Prior to 1924, there was no Border Patrol. It WAS the Armies duty to protect the border.
immigration is something along the lines of "kick the Mexicans out and
if they try to sneak back, send the Army to kill them"
.Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:23 PM (lVU49)
Well, don't kill them. Just don't let them back in. And don't forget the Muslims.
Posted by: Ralph at February 02, 2016 05:26 PM (PMkYS)
Prior to 1924, there was no Border Patrol. It WAS the Armies duty to protect the border.
Posted by: Don Quixote, formerly BB Wolf, formerly Romeo13... at February 02, 2016 05:33 PM (f7rv6)
448
I am for militarizing the border with Mexico. A national border is a serious thing that should be taken very seriously by people on the other side. No one should even think that they can just try to prance across a national border. They should risk their lives doing that, and it should be a bad enough risk that they stop trying.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 02, 2016 05:31 PM (zc3Db)
It also means we only get the luckiest and most prepared survivors.
Kind of like the Atlantic Ocean a few generations back.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 02, 2016 05:31 PM (zc3Db)
It also means we only get the luckiest and most prepared survivors.
Kind of like the Atlantic Ocean a few generations back.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 02, 2016 05:33 PM (uURQL)
449
Deporting 15 million illegal aliens, a very large cohort among whom are already drawing government largesse of various sorts, would shrink the budget deficit at both federal and state levels.
Offer a stipend, free transportation home, and amnesty from criminal prosecution if they leave. It will be cheaper in the long run.
Offer a stipend, free transportation home, and amnesty from criminal prosecution if they leave. It will be cheaper in the long run.
Posted by: V the K at February 02, 2016 05:33 PM (G/+Ma)
450
What gave us Bill Clinton, was a broken promise on Taxes, when a sitting President made a POOR DEAL with the Dems...
Posted by: Don Quixote, formerly BB Wolf, formerly Romeo13... at February 02, 2016 05:19
Back when I was young(er) and had no sense, I voted third party because I hate motherfuckers lying right to my face.
Read my lips, NO NEW TAXES.
Sorry. People like me gave us Bill Clinton.
And now, after 20+ years of seeing how they all lie right to our faces, and laugh behind our backs, I say a pox on all of them.
But OTOH, the political process has kept me from going other routes, thus far.
Posted by: Don Quixote, formerly BB Wolf, formerly Romeo13... at February 02, 2016 05:19
Back when I was young(er) and had no sense, I voted third party because I hate motherfuckers lying right to my face.
Read my lips, NO NEW TAXES.
Sorry. People like me gave us Bill Clinton.
And now, after 20+ years of seeing how they all lie right to our faces, and laugh behind our backs, I say a pox on all of them.
But OTOH, the political process has kept me from going other routes, thus far.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 02, 2016 05:33 PM (kKHcp)
451
What does "making deals" mean?
When the church ladies (McConnel/Ryan) of the GOPe do it: "Hi Harry, we want to fix Obamacare." Reed says "Government shutdown, will be your fault" GOPe church ladies scream and leave. Try 3 more times. Then they say, Let's make a deal to pass Cromnibus so we can start over. Reed says "You forgot XYZ, shutdown" GOPe church ladies say "no problem, we can fix that"
When {insert crafty deal-maker's name here} says let's make a deal, the Reeed/Pelosi wing leaves wondering what happened and why their rear hurts so bad.
When Trump says dealing, it is NOT the same thing as when Ryan and McConnell do it. Not even on the same planet, maybe not in the same universe. Talkers don't understand what a winning deal is or how to do it.
I still don't trust Rubio [smarmy, won't fire anyone, won't shut down programs, won't audit climate liar "scientists"], and I don't trust Cruz [litigator - wins every argument - get's nothing done], and Trump is weird, but he might actually tear down the place [good but scary unpredictable].
My guy is Scott Walker, and..... He now sits and sulks on a pile of his enemies skulls.
When the church ladies (McConnel/Ryan) of the GOPe do it: "Hi Harry, we want to fix Obamacare." Reed says "Government shutdown, will be your fault" GOPe church ladies scream and leave. Try 3 more times. Then they say, Let's make a deal to pass Cromnibus so we can start over. Reed says "You forgot XYZ, shutdown" GOPe church ladies say "no problem, we can fix that"
When {insert crafty deal-maker's name here} says let's make a deal, the Reeed/Pelosi wing leaves wondering what happened and why their rear hurts so bad.
When Trump says dealing, it is NOT the same thing as when Ryan and McConnell do it. Not even on the same planet, maybe not in the same universe. Talkers don't understand what a winning deal is or how to do it.
I still don't trust Rubio [smarmy, won't fire anyone, won't shut down programs, won't audit climate liar "scientists"], and I don't trust Cruz [litigator - wins every argument - get's nothing done], and Trump is weird, but he might actually tear down the place [good but scary unpredictable].
My guy is Scott Walker, and..... He now sits and sulks on a pile of his enemies skulls.
Posted by: GlennDC at February 02, 2016 05:33 PM (8bwE/)
452
"Rubio supported a couple of bad bills and that's assuming one can't be conservative and support a solution to the illegal immigration situation that is actually feasible and not the deranged "let's just deport 15 million people and let the economy sink". Who on earth is so obsessed over a single bill? It just sounds crazy."
Ignoring the strawman...
Rubio's support of the bill made me distrust him.
His shit eating grin while pimping it with his gang of 8 pals prevents me from every voting for him.
Ignoring the strawman...
Rubio's support of the bill made me distrust him.
His shit eating grin while pimping it with his gang of 8 pals prevents me from every voting for him.
Posted by: Lauren at February 02, 2016 05:33 PM (3DIzJ)
453
A Number 6.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Sooth! at February 02, 2016 05:32 PM (evdj2)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Would that be a traditional Ol' Number 6 or is there a New Number 6?
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Sooth! at February 02, 2016 05:32 PM (evdj2)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Would that be a traditional Ol' Number 6 or is there a New Number 6?
Posted by: CozMark at February 02, 2016 05:33 PM (CbGSW)
454
404
owes his job to Florida GOPe types,
umm, he had to fight *against* the Florida GOPe (Charlie Crist anyone?) in order to win
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:25 PM (lVU49)
The Tea Party had to fight against the GOPe types. And then he promptly stabbed them in the junk.
owes his job to Florida GOPe types,
umm, he had to fight *against* the Florida GOPe (Charlie Crist anyone?) in order to win
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:25 PM (lVU49)
The Tea Party had to fight against the GOPe types. And then he promptly stabbed them in the junk.
Posted by: Harry Reid at February 02, 2016 05:34 PM (3dOE/)
455
Well, AoSHQ "conservatism" on the issue of immigration is something along the lines of "kick the Mexicans out and if they try to sneak back, send the Army to kill them"
"Kill them?" Really? Where did you get that from, chemjeff? That's bullshit and you know it.
I challenge you to come up with any comments here by any regular who said that. Stormfront trolls don't count.
I'll wait.
"Kill them?" Really? Where did you get that from, chemjeff? That's bullshit and you know it.
I challenge you to come up with any comments here by any regular who said that. Stormfront trolls don't count.
I'll wait.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 02, 2016 05:34 PM (LUgeY)
456
Perry but the man is incompetent at campaigning, apparently.
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I'd say debating. He is known to be a good retail politician.
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I'd also add that in general I have thought Perry to have good political instincts. He made some misfires (gardasil) but quickly abandoned ship. He jumped on the tea party train early. He really misfired with attacking Trump.
Ironically, he tried to be more serious this campaign, when the Perry from 2012 (less back pills) would have likely done better.
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I'd say debating. He is known to be a good retail politician.
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I'd also add that in general I have thought Perry to have good political instincts. He made some misfires (gardasil) but quickly abandoned ship. He jumped on the tea party train early. He really misfired with attacking Trump.
Ironically, he tried to be more serious this campaign, when the Perry from 2012 (less back pills) would have likely done better.
Posted by: SH at February 02, 2016 05:34 PM (gmeXX)
457
Romney wasn't so great at creating US jobs actually. Bain Capital did little VC investment and was much more of an LBO shop that tended to cut positions and outsource jobs
One of their early VC investments was Staples. I think a few people worked there over the years.
One of their early VC investments was Staples. I think a few people worked there over the years.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at February 02, 2016 05:34 PM (1xUj/)
458
"Didn't NYC's commie mayor drop a groundhog and cause its death?"
Yep. Bill De Blasio murdered the poor innocent creature.
He says it squirmed out of his grasp.
Well, it _bit_ Mike Bloomberg, and Bloomie didn't drop the groundhog.
Bloomberg understands a central truth that eludes De Blasio: YOU NEVER DROP THE GROUNDHOG.
Yep. Bill De Blasio murdered the poor innocent creature.
He says it squirmed out of his grasp.
Well, it _bit_ Mike Bloomberg, and Bloomie didn't drop the groundhog.
Bloomberg understands a central truth that eludes De Blasio: YOU NEVER DROP THE GROUNDHOG.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 02, 2016 05:34 PM (noWW6)
459
How ridiculous is it, exactly?
It's very ridiculous, bordering on retarded.
What do you think is the proper remedy for, in your words, a purposeful invasion?
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:27 PM (lVU49)
Serious interior enforcement, sanctioning of nations committing acts of war against us by sponsoring invasions of us, charging them for our costs in dealing with it, and militarization of the border with a no-nonsense shoot policy.
You silliness that this was all about Mexicans is annoying and I wish you would stop it. I also wish you would stop trying to frame invading illegals as "immigrants". They aren't "immigrants" any more than invading armies are "immigrants".
It's very ridiculous, bordering on retarded.
What do you think is the proper remedy for, in your words, a purposeful invasion?
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:27 PM (lVU49)
Serious interior enforcement, sanctioning of nations committing acts of war against us by sponsoring invasions of us, charging them for our costs in dealing with it, and militarization of the border with a no-nonsense shoot policy.
You silliness that this was all about Mexicans is annoying and I wish you would stop it. I also wish you would stop trying to frame invading illegals as "immigrants". They aren't "immigrants" any more than invading armies are "immigrants".
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 02, 2016 05:34 PM (zc3Db)
460
Why do countries build armies, when they can just put their tanks and planes away and just walk on in and supplant us?
In Mexico's case, it's because Chevy doesn't make tanks.
In Mexico's case, it's because Chevy doesn't make tanks.
Posted by: V the K at February 02, 2016 05:34 PM (G/+Ma)
461
First, the Olympics opens up competition to athletes based on their gender identity, now this:
The top officers in the Army and Marine Corps testified on Tuesday that
they believe it is time for women to register for future military
drafts, following the Pentagon's recent decision to open all jobs in
combat units to female service members.
Feminists getting what they wanted, good and hard.
The top officers in the Army and Marine Corps testified on Tuesday that
they believe it is time for women to register for future military
drafts, following the Pentagon's recent decision to open all jobs in
combat units to female service members.
Feminists getting what they wanted, good and hard.
Posted by: Lizzy at February 02, 2016 05:34 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Anna Puma at February 02, 2016 05:35 PM (xcJZI)
463
>>>> In important news, ace is twittering with someone named "Sweater Yams".
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Poor Ace. Sweater Yams is probably a tranny with manboobs.
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Poor Ace. Sweater Yams is probably a tranny with manboobs.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 02, 2016 05:35 PM (2x3L+)
464
Get over it.
It's the only thing that is going to make this doable for you. You need to get over it.
When Marco Rubio is not conservative enough for you the problem is with you, not him.
It's the only thing that is going to make this doable for you. You need to get over it.
When Marco Rubio is not conservative enough for you the problem is with you, not him.
Posted by: petunia at February 02, 2016 05:35 PM (VoCyE)
465
Would that be a traditional Ol' Number 6 or is there a New Number 6?
The old ways are the best ways.
The old ways are the best ways.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Sooth! at February 02, 2016 05:35 PM (evdj2)
466
"One of their early VC investments was Staples. "
And that's the only one of note. Mitt saw less risk in doing LBOs
And that's the only one of note. Mitt saw less risk in doing LBOs
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 02, 2016 05:36 PM (r1fLd)
467
Posted by: Ignoramus at February 02, 2016 05:30 PM (r1fLd)
Straight from Democratic Underground bullet points sheet. This is my last response about anything Romney. 2012 is over . 2012 is over. 2012 is over. mmmmmmmmm.
Straight from Democratic Underground bullet points sheet. This is my last response about anything Romney. 2012 is over . 2012 is over. 2012 is over. mmmmmmmmm.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 02, 2016 05:36 PM (5FQVt)
468
When Marco Rubio is not conservative enough for you the problem is with you, not him.
You're full of shit, Joe.
You're full of shit, Joe.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Sooth! at February 02, 2016 05:36 PM (evdj2)
469
I think Rubio needs to hole up in a tar-paper shack alone in the mountains. Write a manifesto. Send gifts to judges and politicians. Let the fire of hermatage shape him. Only then will he be ready to become president.
Posted by: Soona at February 02, 2016 05:36 PM (Fmupd)
470
What do you think is the proper remedy for, in your words, a purposeful invasion?
A Number 6.
Whoo-hoo!!
A Number 6.
Whoo-hoo!!
Posted by: rickb223 at February 02, 2016 05:36 PM (jqZ8a)
471
443 What do you think is the proper remedy for, in your words, a purposeful invasion?
A Number 6.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Sooth! at February 02, 2016 05:32 PM (evdj2)
/looks around nervously for a big white ball
443 What do you think is the proper remedy for, in your words, a purposeful invasion?
A Number 6.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Sooth! at February 02, 2016 05:32 PM (evdj2)
/looks around nervously for a big white ball
Posted by: Don Quixote, formerly BB Wolf, formerly Romeo13... at February 02, 2016 05:37 PM (f7rv6)
472
So Begonia's given up on Jeb! and adopted a Marco!-centric personality?
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 02, 2016 05:37 PM (oVJmc)
473
"When Marco Rubio is not conservative enough for you the problem is with you, not him."
http://tinyurl.com/zytvf3k
http://tinyurl.com/zytvf3k
Posted by: Lauren at February 02, 2016 05:38 PM (3DIzJ)
474
I am for militarizing the border with Mexico. A
national border is a serious thing that should be taken very seriously
by people on the other side. No one should even think that they can
just try to prance across a national border. They should risk their
lives doing that, and it should be a bad enough risk that they stop
trying.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 02, 2016 05:31 PM (zc3Db)
And the Mexicans who try to sneak in... what do you want the Army to do to them, on your militarized border?
national border is a serious thing that should be taken very seriously
by people on the other side. No one should even think that they can
just try to prance across a national border. They should risk their
lives doing that, and it should be a bad enough risk that they stop
trying.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 02, 2016 05:31 PM (zc3Db)
And the Mexicans who try to sneak in... what do you want the Army to do to them, on your militarized border?
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:38 PM (lVU49)
475
Didn't NYC's commie mayor drop a groundhog and cause its death?
Yep. Zoo lied about it trying to cover it up.
Rubio supported a couple of bad bills and that's assuming one can't be conservative and support a solution to the illegal immigration situation that is actually feasible and not the deranged "let's just deport 15 million people and let the economy sink". Who on earth is so obsessed over a single bill? It just sounds crazy.
Well that's a false dichotomy but consider this: if we don't deal with illegal immigration the economy sinks... and won't ever recover in our lifetimes. We cannot keep flooding the country with immigrants, especially low-skill immigrants with severe health and societal issues.
Yep. Zoo lied about it trying to cover it up.
Rubio supported a couple of bad bills and that's assuming one can't be conservative and support a solution to the illegal immigration situation that is actually feasible and not the deranged "let's just deport 15 million people and let the economy sink". Who on earth is so obsessed over a single bill? It just sounds crazy.
Well that's a false dichotomy but consider this: if we don't deal with illegal immigration the economy sinks... and won't ever recover in our lifetimes. We cannot keep flooding the country with immigrants, especially low-skill immigrants with severe health and societal issues.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 02, 2016 05:38 PM (39g3+)
476
Clinton, Sanders, Biden, Rubio.
Pick one.
Pick one.
Posted by: teh Wind at February 02, 2016 05:38 PM (up5+o)
477
I'm going to read the last post by Ace.
Posted by: Carol at February 02, 2016 05:38 PM (sj3Ax)
478
chemjeff, and I do not intend this as an attack...
Seriously, it may be time just to walk away. Go get some fresh air. Devote the time to something else. Relax. Whatever.
I don't quite know where all this is coming from, but I've a hunch it isn't really from anything here. I speak for absolutely nobody when I say "take a break", but you might really want to consider it for your own sake. You're not making converts and you're starting to burn bridges, and that's a clear sign you're Doing It Wrong.
Take a break, dude. You need it.
Seriously, it may be time just to walk away. Go get some fresh air. Devote the time to something else. Relax. Whatever.
I don't quite know where all this is coming from, but I've a hunch it isn't really from anything here. I speak for absolutely nobody when I say "take a break", but you might really want to consider it for your own sake. You're not making converts and you're starting to burn bridges, and that's a clear sign you're Doing It Wrong.
Take a break, dude. You need it.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at February 02, 2016 05:39 PM (9krrF)
479
What do you think is the proper remedy for, in your words, a purposeful invasion?
A Number 6.
We're holdin' out for the dance afterward
A Number 6.
We're holdin' out for the dance afterward
Posted by: Muslim "refugee" at February 02, 2016 05:39 PM (39g3+)
480
431
Tearing up the strawmen today, eh?
Posted by: Harry Reid at February 02, 2016 05:28 PM (3dOE/)
I'm not far off the mark, not my faulty if you don't like the picture in the mirror
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:30 PM (lVU49)
And how does your hyperbole capture all conservative views versus views of one or two people who may have spanked you for being a squish on immigration?
Yes, it is your faulty.
Tearing up the strawmen today, eh?
Posted by: Harry Reid at February 02, 2016 05:28 PM (3dOE/)
I'm not far off the mark, not my faulty if you don't like the picture in the mirror
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:30 PM (lVU49)
And how does your hyperbole capture all conservative views versus views of one or two people who may have spanked you for being a squish on immigration?
Yes, it is your faulty.
Posted by: Harry Reid at February 02, 2016 05:39 PM (3dOE/)
481
In important news, ace is twittering with someone named "Sweater Yams".
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Poor Ace. Sweater Yams is probably a tranny with manboobs.
Misspelled. Should be Sweaty Yams.
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Poor Ace. Sweater Yams is probably a tranny with manboobs.
Misspelled. Should be Sweaty Yams.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 02, 2016 05:39 PM (jqZ8a)
482
@388 - and worse is when after the 5 minutes of commercials, he comes on and does another commercial, then breaks for 5 more minutes of commercials. I listen to Rush when there's nothing else on.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 02, 2016 05:40 PM (B8JRQ)
483
and militarization of the border with a no-nonsense shoot policy.
Well thank you, so when I described the HQ position as, basically, shoot the Mexicans trying to sneak across, and you said "that's ridiculous", what you really meant was, "I'm totally on board with that"
Well thank you, so when I described the HQ position as, basically, shoot the Mexicans trying to sneak across, and you said "that's ridiculous", what you really meant was, "I'm totally on board with that"
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:40 PM (lVU49)
484
When does Trump go on the offensive and declare Manifest Destiny will guide his Presidency and we'll invade Mexico? We'd gain a 51st state (or more) and our Southern border would be much smaller and manageable.
Posted by: scrood at February 02, 2016 05:40 PM (3b9U4)
485
Petunia
What 468 said.
Can you pls address how Rubio's sponsorship of CASA fits into your claim that Rubio is a self-evident conservative? And that we who don't share your view have a problem?
What 468 said.
Can you pls address how Rubio's sponsorship of CASA fits into your claim that Rubio is a self-evident conservative? And that we who don't share your view have a problem?
Posted by: mnw (rare and flounced) at February 02, 2016 05:41 PM (GXwGP)
486
I get tired of Rush when I tune in and get two hours of blather about football.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 02, 2016 05:41 PM (oVJmc)
487
Well, AoSHQ "conservatism" on the issue of immigration is something along the lines of "kick the Mexicans out and if they try to sneak back, send the Army to kill them"
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:23 PM (lVU49)
Someone put a mickey in your Applebees drink?
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:23 PM (lVU49)
Someone put a mickey in your Applebees drink?
Posted by: olddog in mo at February 02, 2016 05:41 PM (Dhht7)
488
When Marco Rubio is not conservative enough for you the problem is with you, not him.
Posted by: petunia at February 02, 2016 05:35 PM (VoCyE)
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yep. It's me. I'm Grammy Winger, and I'm a conservative. I have a problem. and the fault is me.
Not going to guilt me into voting. For anyone.
Posted by: petunia at February 02, 2016 05:35 PM (VoCyE)
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yep. It's me. I'm Grammy Winger, and I'm a conservative. I have a problem. and the fault is me.
Not going to guilt me into voting. For anyone.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at February 02, 2016 05:41 PM (dFi94)
489
ace is twitter's whore. Sigh.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2016 05:41 PM (FsuaD)
490
And how does your hyperbole capture all conservative views versus views
of one or two people who may have spanked you for being a squish on
immigration?
So not wanting to send the Army to shoot unarmed Mexicans is "being a squish on immigration"?
And how does your hyperbole capture all conservative views versus views
of one or two people who may have spanked you for being a squish on
immigration?
So not wanting to send the Army to shoot unarmed Mexicans is "being a squish on immigration"?
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:42 PM (lVU49)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 02, 2016 05:42 PM (DUoqb)
Posted by: eman at February 02, 2016 05:42 PM (mR7Es)
493
So not wanting to send the Army to shoot unarmed Mexicans is "being a squish on immigration"?
If an unarmed man really really wants something, it'd be wrong to deny it to him.
So bend over and think of England.
If an unarmed man really really wants something, it'd be wrong to deny it to him.
So bend over and think of England.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 02, 2016 05:43 PM (uURQL)
494
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at February 02, 2016 05:39 PM (9krrF)
I do appreciate your thoughts. Thank you.
I do appreciate your thoughts. Thank you.
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:43 PM (lVU49)
495
And all the obscene commercial breaks on Rush. Now the Boobio love.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 02, 2016 05:43 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 02, 2016 05:43 PM (39g3+)
497
So not wanting to send the Army to shoot unarmed Mexicans is "being a squish on immigration"?
If an unarmed man really really wants something, it'd be wrong to deny it to him.
So bend over and think of England.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 02, 2016 05:43 PM (uURQL)
Ooo look, seconds!
So not wanting to send the Army to shoot unarmed Mexicans is "being a squish on immigration"?
If an unarmed man really really wants something, it'd be wrong to deny it to him.
So bend over and think of England.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 02, 2016 05:43 PM (uURQL)
Ooo look, seconds!
Posted by: False Choice Fallacy Monster at February 02, 2016 05:43 PM (lVU49)
498
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at February 02, 2016 05:39 PM (9krrF)
I do appreciate your thoughts. Thank you.
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:43 PM (lVU49)
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Peace in our time.
I do appreciate your thoughts. Thank you.
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:43 PM (lVU49)
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Peace in our time.
Posted by: SH at February 02, 2016 05:44 PM (gmeXX)
499
And the Mexicans who try to sneak in... what do you want the Army to do to them, on your militarized border?
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:38 PM (lVU49)
Apparently you can shoot people violently breaking into your private property, but shooting people who are violently breaking into your country is a Racist Crime Against Humanity.
Now why don't you do your mommy again and pretend she's your ex for the 6th time today, chemjeff?
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:38 PM (lVU49)
Apparently you can shoot people violently breaking into your private property, but shooting people who are violently breaking into your country is a Racist Crime Against Humanity.
Now why don't you do your mommy again and pretend she's your ex for the 6th time today, chemjeff?
Posted by: Rube the Lube at February 02, 2016 05:44 PM (QW1hJ)
500
When does Trump go on the offensive and declare Manifest Destiny will guide his Presidency and we'll invade Mexico? We'd gain a 51st state (or more) and our Southern border would be much smaller and manageable.
Posted by: scrood at February 02, 2016 05:40 PM (3b9U4)
We didn't annex it last time. The conservative thing to do is to follow past policy.
Posted by: scrood at February 02, 2016 05:40 PM (3b9U4)
We didn't annex it last time. The conservative thing to do is to follow past policy.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 02, 2016 05:44 PM (uURQL)
501
491
Seems like I miss some stuff on the way home ha?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 02, 2016 05:42 PM (DUoqb)
Yep. I just slipped on a bloody patch on the floor.
Seems like I miss some stuff on the way home ha?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 02, 2016 05:42 PM (DUoqb)
Yep. I just slipped on a bloody patch on the floor.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2016 05:44 PM (FsuaD)
502
Well, AoSHQ "conservatism" on the issue of immigration is something
along the lines of "kick the Mexicans out and if they try to sneak back,
send the Army to kill them"
If only. AoSHQ conservatism is that though Cruz has been a tool on shamnesty in the past, we'll trust him to do the right thing this time because he's somehow "safe" unlike a populist Trump.
When Cruz invariably gets down with the next amnesty push with a few token measures thrown in for the anti-immigration crowd, we'll sell it as the best we can hope for. Then we'll close our eyes and pretend not to notice the eventual Californication of conservatism and the increasing irrelevancy of the Republican Party that will be the end product of this move in decades to come. We'll remain cuckservative to the bitter end (of our nation).
along the lines of "kick the Mexicans out and if they try to sneak back,
send the Army to kill them"
If only. AoSHQ conservatism is that though Cruz has been a tool on shamnesty in the past, we'll trust him to do the right thing this time because he's somehow "safe" unlike a populist Trump.
When Cruz invariably gets down with the next amnesty push with a few token measures thrown in for the anti-immigration crowd, we'll sell it as the best we can hope for. Then we'll close our eyes and pretend not to notice the eventual Californication of conservatism and the increasing irrelevancy of the Republican Party that will be the end product of this move in decades to come. We'll remain cuckservative to the bitter end (of our nation).
Posted by: Mike X. at February 02, 2016 05:44 PM (nx9Dt)
503
@486 - There are four times when I will turn Rush off.
1. When he talks about football.
2. When he essentially gives Apple free advertising.
3. When he does ads during the show (I know that's probably in his contract but it's still irksome).
4. When he has callers on who praise his books.
That's a lot of the time these days.
1. When he talks about football.
2. When he essentially gives Apple free advertising.
3. When he does ads during the show (I know that's probably in his contract but it's still irksome).
4. When he has callers on who praise his books.
That's a lot of the time these days.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 02, 2016 05:44 PM (B8JRQ)
504
yep. It's me. I'm Grammy Winger, and I'm a conservative. I have a problem. and the fault is me.
Not going to guilt me into voting. For anyone.
Damn sure not going to guilt me into voting for Rubio.
Not going to guilt me into voting. For anyone.
Damn sure not going to guilt me into voting for Rubio.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 02, 2016 05:44 PM (jqZ8a)
505
Peace in our time.
Posted by: SH at February 02, 2016 05:44 PM (gmeXX)
Yeah? How'd that work out last time?
Posted by: SH at February 02, 2016 05:44 PM (gmeXX)
Yeah? How'd that work out last time?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 02, 2016 05:44 PM (DUoqb)
506
And the Mexicans who try to sneak in... what do you want the Army to do to them, on your militarized border?
... catch em and put them back where they belong? How is this a puzzler?
... catch em and put them back where they belong? How is this a puzzler?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 02, 2016 05:45 PM (39g3+)
507
Fine, nobody's convincing anyone, so here's a revolver with a bayonet.
https://twitter.com/GlomarResponder/status/694651375611940864
https://twitter.com/GlomarResponder/status/694651375611940864
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at February 02, 2016 05:45 PM (9krrF)
508
When does Trump go on the offensive and declare Manifest Destiny will guide his Presidency and we'll invade Mexico? We'd gain a 51st state (or more) and our Southern border would be much smaller and manageable.
Posted by: scrood at February 02, 2016 05:40 PM (3b9U4)
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Happy Guadalupe Hidalgo Day
As in 1848 there is a one problem. There are a lot of Mexicans there.
Now it is possible (drawing the lines correctly) to annex 2/3 of the Mexican land but only 1/3 of the Mexican people. We need smart expansionists.
Posted by: scrood at February 02, 2016 05:40 PM (3b9U4)
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Happy Guadalupe Hidalgo Day
As in 1848 there is a one problem. There are a lot of Mexicans there.
Now it is possible (drawing the lines correctly) to annex 2/3 of the Mexican land but only 1/3 of the Mexican people. We need smart expansionists.
Posted by: RioBravo at February 02, 2016 05:45 PM (NUqwG)
509
Well thank you, so when I described the HQ position as, basically, shoot
the Mexicans trying to sneak across, and you said "that's ridiculous",
what you really meant was, "I'm totally on board with that"
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I don't know about everyone else but I'm on board with that. Killing invaders is pretty much the only proven method to deter them.
Posting them on pikes so even the dull get the message helps.
the Mexicans trying to sneak across, and you said "that's ridiculous",
what you really meant was, "I'm totally on board with that"
---
I don't know about everyone else but I'm on board with that. Killing invaders is pretty much the only proven method to deter them.
Posting them on pikes so even the dull get the message helps.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 02, 2016 05:45 PM (ZbV+0)
510
Yep. I just slipped on a bloody patch on the floor.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2016 05:44 PM (FsuaD)
Liberal In-Laws over again?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2016 05:44 PM (FsuaD)
Liberal In-Laws over again?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 02, 2016 05:46 PM (DUoqb)
511
Or guilt me, either.
I don't guilt worth a damn. I'm kind of an itchy trigger finger GFY, in fact.
I don't guilt worth a damn. I'm kind of an itchy trigger finger GFY, in fact.
Posted by: mnw (rare and flounced) at February 02, 2016 05:46 PM (GXwGP)
512
Dear Senator Cruz
I hope to God you have a dog because this ought to be your next commercial;
Scrolling screen of "no one likes him" quotes
Dissolve to Harry S. Truman (?) Quote.
"If you want a friend in Washington, get a dog."
"I'm Ted Cruz and Spot and I approve this message. arf!"
I hope to God you have a dog because this ought to be your next commercial;
Scrolling screen of "no one likes him" quotes
Dissolve to Harry S. Truman (?) Quote.
"If you want a friend in Washington, get a dog."
"I'm Ted Cruz and Spot and I approve this message. arf!"
Posted by: whatmeworry? at February 02, 2016 05:46 PM (dZGNV)
513
Really disappointed in Rush for that BS spiel about Rubio. If Rubio is the candidate, I WILL NOT VOTE.
Posted by: bonnie blue at February 02, 2016 05:46 PM (ZXK8H)
514
FWIW, chemjeff, I don't mind your supposed heterodoxy and point of view. I can hold my own in an argument and I dont take anything you say personally.
Posted by: L, Elle at February 02, 2016 05:46 PM (2x3L+)
515
488 Not going to guilt me into voting. For anyone.
But
according Petunia, it's now obviously a two-way race between Trump and
Rubio! And Cruz is unelectable because she says so. Those are pretty strong arguments. I don't know what to believe anymore!
But
according Petunia, it's now obviously a two-way race between Trump and
Rubio! And Cruz is unelectable because she says so. Those are pretty strong arguments. I don't know what to believe anymore!
Posted by: Naes at February 02, 2016 05:47 PM (Ypc8j)
516
Ooo look, seconds!
Posted by: False Choice Fallacy Monster at February 02, 2016 05:43 PM (lVU49)
The word you're looking for is "False Dilemma".
Look, if someone wants to enter your home and country against your will, there's just nothing you can morally do to stop him if he's unarmed.
So think of England.
Posted by: False Choice Fallacy Monster at February 02, 2016 05:43 PM (lVU49)
The word you're looking for is "False Dilemma".
Look, if someone wants to enter your home and country against your will, there's just nothing you can morally do to stop him if he's unarmed.
So think of England.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 02, 2016 05:47 PM (uURQL)
517
I just read the Fed is quietly asking the banks to "stress test" for negative interest rates. You know, run some numbers and see what your prospects are in that environment.
Negative rates. They're on the table.
Negative rates. They're on the table.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 02, 2016 05:47 PM (dvuhZ)
518
483
and militarization of the border with a no-nonsense shoot policy.
Well thank you, so when I described the HQ position as, basically, shoot the Mexicans trying to sneak across, and you said "that's ridiculous", what you really meant was, "I'm totally on board with that"
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:40 PM (lVU49)
Congrats. You found one. Now I can't wait to learn what I believe from that VT chick.
and militarization of the border with a no-nonsense shoot policy.
Well thank you, so when I described the HQ position as, basically, shoot the Mexicans trying to sneak across, and you said "that's ridiculous", what you really meant was, "I'm totally on board with that"
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:40 PM (lVU49)
Congrats. You found one. Now I can't wait to learn what I believe from that VT chick.
Posted by: Harry Reid at February 02, 2016 05:47 PM (3dOE/)
519
Yep. I just slipped on a bloody patch on the floor.
Posted by: Jane D'oh
I'll say I was having beers with D'oh Boy to give him an alibi.
Posted by: Jane D'oh
I'll say I was having beers with D'oh Boy to give him an alibi.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at February 02, 2016 05:47 PM (1xUj/)
520
Liberal In-Laws over again?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 02, 2016 05:46 PM (DUoqb)
God, no. Just dodging the blood splatter from the HQ warfare.
Liberal In-Laws over again?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 02, 2016 05:46 PM (DUoqb)
God, no. Just dodging the blood splatter from the HQ warfare.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2016 05:48 PM (FsuaD)
521
The point to posting armed guards is that people, seeing you have posted armed guards, do not attempt to enter.
Or is having an armed guard 'sending them to shoot passers-by?'
Or is having an armed guard 'sending them to shoot passers-by?'
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 02, 2016 05:48 PM (oVJmc)
522
Negative rates. They're on the table.
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Seems like that could be a good time to refinance.
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Seems like that could be a good time to refinance.
Posted by: SH at February 02, 2016 05:48 PM (gmeXX)
523
Ah come on people it's way to early to for the hissy fit of " I will not vote if he is the Candidate"
Plenty of time for that later.
Eat Drink and Be Merry
Plenty of time for that later.
Eat Drink and Be Merry
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 02, 2016 05:48 PM (DUoqb)
524
Well thank you, so when I described the HQ position as, basically, shoot
the Mexicans trying to sneak across, and you said "that's ridiculous",
what you really meant was, "I'm totally on board with that"
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I don't know about everyone else but I'm on board with that. Killing invaders is pretty much the only proven method to deter them.
Posting them on pikes so even the dull get the message helps.
The biggest bunch you would get, is the Mex Army and narco-terrs.
Regular Juans will stop trying after the first few bodies hit the floor.
the Mexicans trying to sneak across, and you said "that's ridiculous",
what you really meant was, "I'm totally on board with that"
---
I don't know about everyone else but I'm on board with that. Killing invaders is pretty much the only proven method to deter them.
Posting them on pikes so even the dull get the message helps.
The biggest bunch you would get, is the Mex Army and narco-terrs.
Regular Juans will stop trying after the first few bodies hit the floor.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 02, 2016 05:48 PM (jqZ8a)
525
490
And how does your hyperbole capture all conservative views versus views
of one or two people who may have spanked you for being a squish on
immigration?
So not wanting to send the Army to shoot unarmed Mexicans is "being a squish on immigration"?
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:42 PM (lVU49)
Sorry. I don't speak strawman.
And how does your hyperbole capture all conservative views versus views
of one or two people who may have spanked you for being a squish on
immigration?
So not wanting to send the Army to shoot unarmed Mexicans is "being a squish on immigration"?
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:42 PM (lVU49)
Sorry. I don't speak strawman.
Posted by: Harry Reid at February 02, 2016 05:48 PM (3dOE/)
526
November can't get here soon enough.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2016 05:48 PM (FsuaD)
527
Apparently you can shoot people violently breaking into your private
property, but shooting people who are violently breaking into your
country is a Racist Crime Against Humanity.
The crime of illegal immigration is essentially equivalent to the crime of trespassing. One can trespass without committing a violent act. Unless you think any violation of property rights is an act of violence, in which case I think you are veering pretty far off into anarcho-libertarian la-la land.
Trespassing is wrong, but the FIRST response to an act of trespassing shouldn't be to pull out the gun and blow the SOB away. Particularly trespassers that are unarmed.
Trespassers should be punished of course, but proportionately.
property, but shooting people who are violently breaking into your
country is a Racist Crime Against Humanity.
The crime of illegal immigration is essentially equivalent to the crime of trespassing. One can trespass without committing a violent act. Unless you think any violation of property rights is an act of violence, in which case I think you are veering pretty far off into anarcho-libertarian la-la land.
Trespassing is wrong, but the FIRST response to an act of trespassing shouldn't be to pull out the gun and blow the SOB away. Particularly trespassers that are unarmed.
Trespassers should be punished of course, but proportionately.
Posted by: False Choice Fallacy Monster at February 02, 2016 05:49 PM (lVU49)
Posted by: mnw (rare and flounced) at February 02, 2016 05:49 PM (GXwGP)
529
God, no. Just dodging the blood splatter from the HQ warfare.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2016 05:48 PM (FsuaD)
That's just chemjeff throwing his unburnt steaks around.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2016 05:48 PM (FsuaD)
That's just chemjeff throwing his unburnt steaks around.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 02, 2016 05:49 PM (uURQL)
530
Negative rates. They're on the table.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 02, 2016 05:47 PM (dvuhZ)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Credit Union member since 1998. For VERY GOOD REASONS.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 02, 2016 05:47 PM (dvuhZ)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Credit Union member since 1998. For VERY GOOD REASONS.
Posted by: CozMark at February 02, 2016 05:49 PM (CbGSW)
531
I just read the Fed is quietly asking the banks to "stress test" for negative interest rates. You know, run some numbers and see what your prospects are in that environment.
Negative rates. They're on the table.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 02, 2016 05:47 PM (dvuhZ)
Yeah I saw that...I guess that 1/4 point interest point raise didn't go over like they thought ha?
LMAO
But But But we have a booming economy...Fredo told me so?
Negative rates. They're on the table.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 02, 2016 05:47 PM (dvuhZ)
Yeah I saw that...I guess that 1/4 point interest point raise didn't go over like they thought ha?
LMAO
But But But we have a booming economy...Fredo told me so?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 02, 2016 05:49 PM (DUoqb)
532
You don't need to shoot the Mexicans, unless necessary, or militarize the border.
All you need is will.
An administration with the desire and will to stop border crossing can do it.
All you need is will.
An administration with the desire and will to stop border crossing can do it.
Posted by: Ralph at February 02, 2016 05:50 PM (PMkYS)
533
Fuckabee's out. When is Sanctimonious going to wave the white flag?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2016 05:50 PM (FsuaD)
534
Now why don't you do your mommy again and pretend she's your ex for the 6th time today, chemjeff?/
Dude. What the hell? You must chill.
And a few apologies around here would go a long ways.
Dude. What the hell? You must chill.
And a few apologies around here would go a long ways.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 02, 2016 05:50 PM (39g3+)
535
So when I say that the HQ position on illegal immigration is "deport them all and shoot the ones attempting to sneak back", half the commenters scream AWESOME!!! and the other half scream "STRAWMAN!!!". Telling
Posted by: False Choice Fallacy Monster at February 02, 2016 05:50 PM (lVU49)
536
Well, Europe better start protecting their borders or the countries there will turn into satraps for the Caliphate.
And I'm trying to understand how a negative Federal Reserve interest rate works. They pay banks to borrow money?
And I'm trying to understand how a negative Federal Reserve interest rate works. They pay banks to borrow money?
Posted by: Willburn Sooner at February 02, 2016 05:50 PM (P3GWR)
537
337 I think on the college thing, Rubio was bamboozled, he didn't know enough about it and was informed by "experts" that sold him a bill of goods. His handlers probably told him it would help him get elected too, and if you read the bill you'd see there was some good in it, just not enough to make up for all the bad.
strike the word college, change the sentence to...
"i think on everything, rubio, will be bamboozled"
and you have rubio, in a nutshell.
strike the word college, change the sentence to...
"i think on everything, rubio, will be bamboozled"
and you have rubio, in a nutshell.
Posted by: concrete girl at February 02, 2016 05:50 PM (0KgAM)
538
Trespassing is wrong, but the FIRST response to an act of trespassing shouldn't be to pull out the gun and blow the SOB away. Particularly trespassers that are unarmed.
Trespassers should be punished of course, but proportionately.
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Agreed. I'm ok with using the military to guard the border. But I would not advocate a shoot to kill order - without provocation.
Trespassers should be punished of course, but proportionately.
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Agreed. I'm ok with using the military to guard the border. But I would not advocate a shoot to kill order - without provocation.
Posted by: SH at February 02, 2016 05:51 PM (gmeXX)
539
oops sock/off
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:51 PM (lVU49)
540
And a few apologies around here would go a long ways.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 02, 2016 05:50 PM (39g3+)
And would be a first also.
I guess I picked the wrong week to give up glue sniffing?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 02, 2016 05:50 PM (39g3+)
And would be a first also.
I guess I picked the wrong week to give up glue sniffing?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 02, 2016 05:51 PM (DUoqb)
541
How about we put the heads on spikes of business owners who hire illegals. We would need a lot less spikes for the same results.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 02, 2016 05:51 PM (5FQVt)
542
Tomorrow Rush's show will be about how he baited people with,"Full-Throated Conservative," instead of, "Conservative."
It's a stunt he does regularly, saying something which can be parsed differently from what it seems on the surface.
It's a stunt he does regularly, saying something which can be parsed differently from what it seems on the surface.
Posted by: davidt at February 02, 2016 05:52 PM (8aOqE)
543
Sweater puppies matter.
Posted by: teh Wind at February 02, 2016 05:52 PM (up5+o)
544
Sanders is whining about Hillary! cheating but just a few a weeks ago he told everybody to ignore Hillary!'s email lies and felonies. Clue, Bernie, Hillary! is a narcissistic, arrogant, psychopath without a conscience who will do anything to win and you enabled her.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 02, 2016 05:52 PM (Nwg0u)
545
The biggest bunch you would get, is the Mex Army and narco-terrs.
Regular Juans will stop trying after the first few bodies hit the floor.
---
So, win-win.
Regular Juans will stop trying after the first few bodies hit the floor.
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So, win-win.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 02, 2016 05:52 PM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 02, 2016 05:53 PM (oVJmc)
547
Trespassing is wrong, but the FIRST response to an act of trespassing shouldn't be to pull out the gun and blow the SOB away. Particularly trespassers that are unarmed.
No one here has suggested that this should the FIRST response.
But many people agree that it is the LAST response when all other peaceful and non-violent methods fail.
If a police officer is pulling you over and you ignore his instructions, what are the chances there is a nonviolent result?
No one here has suggested that this should the FIRST response.
But many people agree that it is the LAST response when all other peaceful and non-violent methods fail.
If a police officer is pulling you over and you ignore his instructions, what are the chances there is a nonviolent result?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 02, 2016 05:53 PM (uURQL)
548
If we can lure chemjeff with a steak into a blind I think I could get a shot at his ass.
If we can lure chemjeff with a steak into a blind I think I could get a shot at his ass.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 02, 2016 05:53 PM (iQIUe)
549
Look, if someone wants to enter your home and country against your
will, there's just nothing you can morally do to stop him if he's unarmed.
So think of England.
NOM NOM NOM NOM
Look, if someone wants to enter your home and country against your
will, there's just nothing you can morally do to stop him if he's unarmed.
So think of England.
NOM NOM NOM NOM
Posted by: False Choice Fallacy Monster at February 02, 2016 05:53 PM (lVU49)
550
How about we put the heads on spikes of business owners who hire illegals. We would need a lot less spikes for the same results.
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What if they present proper credentials and fill out an I-9?
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What if they present proper credentials and fill out an I-9?
Posted by: SH at February 02, 2016 05:53 PM (gmeXX)
551
533
Fuckabee's out. When is Sanctimonious going to wave the white flag?
Once people stop giving him free meals. "Permanent candidate" is pretty much his job at this point.
Fuckabee's out. When is Sanctimonious going to wave the white flag?
Once people stop giving him free meals. "Permanent candidate" is pretty much his job at this point.
Posted by: Naes at February 02, 2016 05:53 PM (Ypc8j)
Posted by: mnw (rare and flounced) at February 02, 2016 05:53 PM (GXwGP)
553
Agreed. I'm ok with using the military to guard the border. But I would not advocate a shoot to kill order - without provocation.
Posted by: SH at February 02, 2016 05:51 PM (gmeXX)
How's about we knee cap em? Asking for some friends...Friends of mine.
Posted by: SH at February 02, 2016 05:51 PM (gmeXX)
How's about we knee cap em? Asking for some friends...Friends of mine.
Posted by: Big Al from NJ at February 02, 2016 05:53 PM (DUoqb)
554
OK, yeah, what I said to chemjeff looks to go for a few other folks as well.
Chill, folks, a'fore the Management of this Joint chills us all.
Chill, folks, a'fore the Management of this Joint chills us all.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at February 02, 2016 05:53 PM (9krrF)
555
If I shoot him up in a tree, we will need mattresses for when he falls.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at February 02, 2016 05:53 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: eman at February 02, 2016 05:53 PM (mR7Es)
557
But But But we have a booming economy...Fredo told me so?
...................
Yup just keeps blowing itself up in slow motion
But But But we have a booming economy...Fredo told me so?
...................
Yup just keeps blowing itself up in slow motion
Posted by: wth - wearing a cardboard sign at February 02, 2016 05:53 PM (HgMAr)
558
Our borders are established by law and just like any other law they need to be back up by the thread of force. There is nothing unsual about this. But people who talk as if it were reveal themselves are authentic open borders nutters.
Posted by: The Nayden Broad at February 02, 2016 05:54 PM (jhOn9)
559
3 Rush must be trolling the GOPe with that Rubio BS.
Posted by: Country Singer at February 02, 2016 04:12 PM (GUBah)
I so agree with this. He's trying to make the GOPe split their votes among losers, while the conservatives start to rally around Cruz.
537 337 I think on the college thing, Rubio was bamboozled, he didn't know enough about it and was informed by "experts" that sold him a bill of goods. His handlers probably told him it would help him get elected too, and if you read the bill you'd see there was some good in it, just not enough to make up for all the bad.
strike the word college, change the sentence to...
"i think on everything, rubio, will be bamboozled"
and you have rubio, in a nutshell.
Posted by: concrete girl at February 02, 2016 05:50 PM (0KgAM)
Instead of proposing a bill that placed criminal sex assault in the hands of law enforcement, he got himself bamboozled. This is not the sign of a serious conservative.
Posted by: Country Singer at February 02, 2016 04:12 PM (GUBah)
I so agree with this. He's trying to make the GOPe split their votes among losers, while the conservatives start to rally around Cruz.
537 337 I think on the college thing, Rubio was bamboozled, he didn't know enough about it and was informed by "experts" that sold him a bill of goods. His handlers probably told him it would help him get elected too, and if you read the bill you'd see there was some good in it, just not enough to make up for all the bad.
strike the word college, change the sentence to...
"i think on everything, rubio, will be bamboozled"
and you have rubio, in a nutshell.
Posted by: concrete girl at February 02, 2016 05:50 PM (0KgAM)
Instead of proposing a bill that placed criminal sex assault in the hands of law enforcement, he got himself bamboozled. This is not the sign of a serious conservative.
Posted by: Iblis at February 02, 2016 05:54 PM (9221z)
560
533
Fuckabee's out. When is Sanctimonious going to wave the white flag?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2016 05:50 PM (FsuaD)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
He can't jump out too soon. I mean, this is what Rick does, right? But a guess would be when he's siphoned off as much as he can from the PAC and still cover start up costs for the 2020 run.
Fuckabee's out. When is Sanctimonious going to wave the white flag?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2016 05:50 PM (FsuaD)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
He can't jump out too soon. I mean, this is what Rick does, right? But a guess would be when he's siphoned off as much as he can from the PAC and still cover start up costs for the 2020 run.
Posted by: CozMark at February 02, 2016 05:54 PM (CbGSW)
561
Rubio is unacceptable, I'll vote for Sanders before I vote for him.
No. Open. Borders.
Screw the GOPe.
No. Open. Borders.
Screw the GOPe.
Posted by: gdonovan at February 02, 2016 05:54 PM (Ipxoj)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 02, 2016 05:54 PM (oVJmc)
563
Rubio is unacceptable, I'll vote for Sanders before I vote for him.
No. Open. Borders.
Screw the GOPe.
Posted by: gdonovan at February 02, 2016 05:54 PM (Ipxoj)
Pelosi? Is that you?
No. Open. Borders.
Screw the GOPe.
Posted by: gdonovan at February 02, 2016 05:54 PM (Ipxoj)
Pelosi? Is that you?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 02, 2016 05:55 PM (DUoqb)
564
We have all the laws and rules in place to deal with immigration, we're just not using them. We don't need a wall, or a military at the border or any of that, we just need the ICE and federal government, the justice department, and police departments to do their jobs. A president that ordered and compelled his agencies to do the work while withholding federal funding from any city that declares its self a "sanctuary" would make a huge difference right away. More strictly enforcing welfare laws and social security fraud would make another big difference. IRS landing on tax fraud and businesses hiring illegals, another. It would take less than a year to turn things around enormously and require nothing new.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 02, 2016 05:55 PM (39g3+)
565
Who gives a shit if Rubio is a "full-throated conservative?"
1. The conservatives have proven themselves worse than useless. Rush's term means nothing.
2. Rubio is 100% untrustworty when it comes to immigration.
Trump or nothing.
1. The conservatives have proven themselves worse than useless. Rush's term means nothing.
2. Rubio is 100% untrustworty when it comes to immigration.
Trump or nothing.
Posted by: Nomennovum at February 02, 2016 05:55 PM (0z+LY)
566
The crime of illegal immigration is essentially equivalent to the crime of trespassing.
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No, it's breaking into your house in the middle of the night with the intent to rob you and rape your wife and daughters. Headshots without warning are precisely the appropriate response.
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No, it's breaking into your house in the middle of the night with the intent to rob you and rape your wife and daughters. Headshots without warning are precisely the appropriate response.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 02, 2016 05:55 PM (ZbV+0)
567
Yeah, the 1/4 point rise worked wonders. That's what pushed the oil price over the edge. It was falling, and the Fed's rise just opened the trap door under it. And deflated the stock bubble somewhat.
I wonder if they were getting high on their own supply. Their own supply of phony economic numbers. Of course, the other argument is the ZIRP environment was killing savers and pension funds and they had to start raising.
That view was this talk of negative rates was just blowing smoke, and they'd detonate the pension funds if they tried that. Me, I think they'll say to hell with it and go. All they've got is more printing.
I wonder if they were getting high on their own supply. Their own supply of phony economic numbers. Of course, the other argument is the ZIRP environment was killing savers and pension funds and they had to start raising.
That view was this talk of negative rates was just blowing smoke, and they'd detonate the pension funds if they tried that. Me, I think they'll say to hell with it and go. All they've got is more printing.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 02, 2016 05:55 PM (dvuhZ)
568
Rubio is another of the GOPe's groomed front-men, no more no less.
Posted by: davidt at February 02, 2016 05:56 PM (8aOqE)
569
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 02, 2016 05:45 PM (ZbV+0)
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I'll back you on that. I don't really see the problem either, once they've passed the signs and are scaling the wall. Invader, deadly force authorized, use at your own discretion. Wouldn't even take too many till the message got through. Never happen though as this nation lacks any seriousness.
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I'll back you on that. I don't really see the problem either, once they've passed the signs and are scaling the wall. Invader, deadly force authorized, use at your own discretion. Wouldn't even take too many till the message got through. Never happen though as this nation lacks any seriousness.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at February 02, 2016 05:56 PM (MbrzC)
570
We have all the laws and rules in place to deal with immigration, we're just not using them. We don't need a wall, or a military at the border or any of that, we just need the ICE and federal government, the justice department, and police departments to do their jobs. A president that ordered and compelled his agencies to do the work while withholding federal funding from any city that declares its self a "sanctuary" would make a huge difference right away. More strictly enforcing welfare laws and social security fraud would make another big difference. IRS landing on tax fraud and businesses hiring illegals, another. It would take less than a year to turn things around enormously and require nothing new.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 02, 2016 05:55 PM (39g3+)
Most of what you said is 100% correct...Uhr but I wall does make good neighbors and would work wonders.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 02, 2016 05:55 PM (39g3+)
Most of what you said is 100% correct...Uhr but I wall does make good neighbors and would work wonders.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 02, 2016 05:56 PM (DUoqb)
571
The biggest bunch you would get, is the Mex Army and narco-terrs.
Regular Juans will stop trying after the first few bodies hit the floor.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 02, 2016 05:48 PM (jqZ8a)
---
yup
Regular Juans will stop trying after the first few bodies hit the floor.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 02, 2016 05:48 PM (jqZ8a)
---
yup
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at February 02, 2016 05:57 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: mnw (rare and flounced) at February 02, 2016 05:57 PM (GXwGP)
573
And I'm trying to understand how a negative Federal Reserve interest rate works. They pay banks to borrow money?
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You pay $1300 today for a Treasury bill that pays you $1000 30 years from now.
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You pay $1300 today for a Treasury bill that pays you $1000 30 years from now.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 02, 2016 05:57 PM (ZbV+0)
574
Posted by: SH at February 02, 2016 05:53 PM (gmeXX)
If they have the proper credentials and pass the e-verify then no problem. If they turn out to be illegal we put the head on the spike of the e-verify guy.
If they have the proper credentials and pass the e-verify then no problem. If they turn out to be illegal we put the head on the spike of the e-verify guy.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at February 02, 2016 05:57 PM (5FQVt)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 02, 2016 05:58 PM (FkBIv)
576
The Son of a Mailman is pulling out all the stops to jump start his faltering campaign.
http://tinyurl.com/znhfav3
http://tinyurl.com/znhfav3
Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 02, 2016 05:58 PM (Nwg0u)
577
558
Our borders are established by law and just like any other law they need
to be back up by the thread of force. There is nothing unsual about
this. But people who talk as if it were reveal themselves are authentic
open borders nutters.
Posted by: The Nayden Broad at February 02, 2016 05:54 PM (jhOn9)
Let's just be really clear. No one objects to protecting the borders with the threat of force. And no one here objects, I'm pretty sure, to border patrol agents defending themselves against violence, using violence if necessary.
The disagreement lies in how big of a deal that we ought to treat what is essentially an act of trespassing. I argue that the government should use a proportionate response. Others here believe every act of trespassing should be met with a bullet between the eyes. You tell me who the unreasonable one is.
Read some of the comments here.
558
Our borders are established by law and just like any other law they need
to be back up by the thread of force. There is nothing unsual about
this. But people who talk as if it were reveal themselves are authentic
open borders nutters.
Posted by: The Nayden Broad at February 02, 2016 05:54 PM (jhOn9)
Let's just be really clear. No one objects to protecting the borders with the threat of force. And no one here objects, I'm pretty sure, to border patrol agents defending themselves against violence, using violence if necessary.
The disagreement lies in how big of a deal that we ought to treat what is essentially an act of trespassing. I argue that the government should use a proportionate response. Others here believe every act of trespassing should be met with a bullet between the eyes. You tell me who the unreasonable one is.
Read some of the comments here.
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:58 PM (lVU49)
578
538 Trespassing is wrong, but the FIRST response to an act of trespassing shouldn't be to pull out the gun and blow the SOB away. Particularly trespassers that are unarmed.
Trespassers should be punished of course, but proportionately.
----------
Agreed. I'm ok with using the military to guard the border. But I would not advocate a shoot to kill order - without provocation.
All of you saying that should live on the border for a month. Be assaulted. Have your fences cut, livestock killed and run off. Land trashed. Threatened.
It's a testament to how generous Americans are. It's amazing more are subjected to the 3 S's.
Trespassers should be punished of course, but proportionately.
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Agreed. I'm ok with using the military to guard the border. But I would not advocate a shoot to kill order - without provocation.
All of you saying that should live on the border for a month. Be assaulted. Have your fences cut, livestock killed and run off. Land trashed. Threatened.
It's a testament to how generous Americans are. It's amazing more are subjected to the 3 S's.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 02, 2016 05:58 PM (jqZ8a)
579
Everybody here wants to put heads on spikes. Hum? I should invest in the company that makes Spikes. Is there an iSpike?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 02, 2016 05:59 PM (DUoqb)
580
563
Rubio is unacceptable, I'll vote for Sanders before I vote for him.
Dear Sweet SMOD. Take us now, even though we don't deserve you.
Rubio is unacceptable, I'll vote for Sanders before I vote for him.
Dear Sweet SMOD. Take us now, even though we don't deserve you.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2016 05:59 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Ralph at February 02, 2016 05:59 PM (PMkYS)
582
Others here believe every act of trespassing should be met with a bullet between the eyes. You tell me who the unreasonable one is.
Name them. Then specifically quote what they said.
Anything else is strawmanning.
Name them. Then specifically quote what they said.
Anything else is strawmanning.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 02, 2016 06:00 PM (uURQL)
583
A wall is a waste-of-money-make-work-project.
Posted by: Ralph at February 02, 2016 05:59 PM (PMkYS)
Yeah? It worked wonders on the West Bank and Gaza
Posted by: Ralph at February 02, 2016 05:59 PM (PMkYS)
Yeah? It worked wonders on the West Bank and Gaza
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 02, 2016 06:00 PM (DUoqb)
584
You pay $1300 today for a Treasury bill that pays you $1000 30 years from now.
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Yowza! Those must be selling like hotcakes.
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Yowza! Those must be selling like hotcakes.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 02, 2016 06:00 PM (Nwg0u)
585
If they have the proper credentials and pass the e-verify then no problem. If they turn out to be illegal we put the head on the spike of the e-verify guy.
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I ask because people assume that there are a ton of businesses that just want to hire illegal. I don't think it is as pervasive as people think. And I'm not sure how e-verify solves it. Most business owners ask for and receive the proper documentation. Now we are asking them to go an extra step. In general, I do not like commandeering businesses to do the job of government. We already did that with taxes. Further, those who wish to skirt the law will find a way to do so. Plus it further funds a government agency. Just strikes me as an improper response.
But that is just me.
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I ask because people assume that there are a ton of businesses that just want to hire illegal. I don't think it is as pervasive as people think. And I'm not sure how e-verify solves it. Most business owners ask for and receive the proper documentation. Now we are asking them to go an extra step. In general, I do not like commandeering businesses to do the job of government. We already did that with taxes. Further, those who wish to skirt the law will find a way to do so. Plus it further funds a government agency. Just strikes me as an improper response.
But that is just me.
Posted by: SH at February 02, 2016 06:00 PM (gmeXX)
586
Jesus Christ. You can have a wall and a militarized border without shooting every family that tries to infiltrate. The military is smart enough to do threat assessments. What a strawman. And a wall with a military presence does stop infiltration. Look at Israel's wall with Egypt. African infiltration dropped to around zero after it was built. All it took was the will to build and patrol it.
Posted by: Naes at February 02, 2016 06:00 PM (Ypc8j)
587
Nood you guys. Something about the Germans.
Posted by: Weasel at February 02, 2016 06:00 PM (e3bId)
588
And I'm trying to understand how a negative Federal Reserve interest rate works. They pay banks to borrow money?
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You pay $1300 today for a Treasury bill that pays you $1000 30 years from now.
Posted by: Methos
Thank you for explaining.
And how is that stimulative? That's the thing, right, to stimulate a shrinking economy? with inflation?
Or under what circumstances would that type of negative interest rate be a curative for a problem economy?
We're facing a shrinking economy, despite inflationary federal reserve policy. Sounds to me like the Fed has lost control of the economy, and the dollar.
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You pay $1300 today for a Treasury bill that pays you $1000 30 years from now.
Posted by: Methos
Thank you for explaining.
And how is that stimulative? That's the thing, right, to stimulate a shrinking economy? with inflation?
Or under what circumstances would that type of negative interest rate be a curative for a problem economy?
We're facing a shrinking economy, despite inflationary federal reserve policy. Sounds to me like the Fed has lost control of the economy, and the dollar.
Posted by: Willburn Sooner at February 02, 2016 06:01 PM (P3GWR)
589
Name them. Then specifically quote what they said.
Anything else is strawmanning.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 02, 2016 06:00 PM (uURQL)
Oh for heaven's sake
Read Methos, POP, rickb for starters
I'm out of here for now
Name them. Then specifically quote what they said.
Anything else is strawmanning.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 02, 2016 06:00 PM (uURQL)
Oh for heaven's sake
Read Methos, POP, rickb for starters
I'm out of here for now
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 06:01 PM (lVU49)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 02, 2016 06:01 PM (39g3+)
591
The crime of illegal immigration is essentially equivalent to the crime of trespassing. One can trespass without committing a violent act. Unless you think any violation of property rights is an act of violence, in which case I think you are veering pretty far off into anarcho-libertarian la-la land.
Trespassing is wrong, but the FIRST response to an act of trespassing shouldn't be to pull out the gun and blow the SOB away. Particularly trespassers that are unarmed.
Trespassers should be punished of course, but proportionately.
Posted by: False Choice Fallacy Monster at February 02, 2016 05:49 PM (lVU49)
Forcing a national border is not trespassing in a private park. I know, it's kinda confusing, but it's not.
I know I brought the equation into the fold, so let it be clear: breaking into a one's house is a gross and dangerous invasion of a private residence. It's not a punishment if the invader gets shot - it's self defense.
Even if it's clear the invader had no means to cause bodily damage to house residents. It's dangerous not because of this particular situation, but because if your home becomes a free-entry place for everyone without the most severe deterrence, it WILL be eventually invaded by many, and some of the many WILL rob and kill you.
If a national border isn't enforced by lethal means, it means the invaders aren't deterred, and it means the invaders will be in large quantities, and that eventually the invaders will become a real threat to your citizens, to your economy and to your national security.
Thus, it's vital that any forceful invader be physically hurt. If the only option for stopping the invader is to kill him, the invader should be killed. If 10,000 need to be killed to show that borders need to be feared and respected - they indeed need to be killed.
Trespassing is wrong, but the FIRST response to an act of trespassing shouldn't be to pull out the gun and blow the SOB away. Particularly trespassers that are unarmed.
Trespassers should be punished of course, but proportionately.
Posted by: False Choice Fallacy Monster at February 02, 2016 05:49 PM (lVU49)
Forcing a national border is not trespassing in a private park. I know, it's kinda confusing, but it's not.
I know I brought the equation into the fold, so let it be clear: breaking into a one's house is a gross and dangerous invasion of a private residence. It's not a punishment if the invader gets shot - it's self defense.
Even if it's clear the invader had no means to cause bodily damage to house residents. It's dangerous not because of this particular situation, but because if your home becomes a free-entry place for everyone without the most severe deterrence, it WILL be eventually invaded by many, and some of the many WILL rob and kill you.
If a national border isn't enforced by lethal means, it means the invaders aren't deterred, and it means the invaders will be in large quantities, and that eventually the invaders will become a real threat to your citizens, to your economy and to your national security.
Thus, it's vital that any forceful invader be physically hurt. If the only option for stopping the invader is to kill him, the invader should be killed. If 10,000 need to be killed to show that borders need to be feared and respected - they indeed need to be killed.
Posted by: Rube the Lube at February 02, 2016 06:02 PM (QW1hJ)
592
You pay $1300 today for a Treasury bill that pays you $1000 30 years from now.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 02, 2016 05:57 PM (ZbV+0)
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You can make it up volume... or something. /s
Sounds great doesn't it.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 02, 2016 05:57 PM (ZbV+0)
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You can make it up volume... or something. /s
Sounds great doesn't it.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at February 02, 2016 06:02 PM (MbrzC)
593
So not wanting to send the Army to shoot unarmed Mexicans is "being a squish on immigration"?
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:42 PM
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Sorry. I don't speak strawman.
Posted by: Harry Reid at February 02, 2016 05:48 PM
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Don't look at me, blood...
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:42 PM
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Sorry. I don't speak strawman.
Posted by: Harry Reid at February 02, 2016 05:48 PM
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Don't look at me, blood...
Posted by: Barbara Billingsley at February 02, 2016 06:03 PM (S2qL1)
594
587 Nood you guys. Something about the Germans.
Posted by: Weasel at February 02, 2016 06:00 PM (e3bId)
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Does it involve big long effective walls, and shooting people though?
Posted by: Weasel at February 02, 2016 06:00 PM (e3bId)
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Does it involve big long effective walls, and shooting people though?
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at February 02, 2016 06:03 PM (MbrzC)
595
Oh please, it should be illegal for the GOP to nominate a lawyer to represent them. No to Rubio, No to Cruz, any other lawyers trying
to represent the GOP? No to them as well.
to represent the GOP? No to them as well.
Posted by: doug at February 02, 2016 06:03 PM (WKn6k)
596
532 You don't need to shoot the Mexicans, unless necessary, or militarize the border.
All you need is will.
An administration with the desire and will to stop border crossing can do it.
Posted by: Ralph at February 02, 2016 05:50 PM (PMkYS)
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True... but we're /just saying.
All you need is will.
An administration with the desire and will to stop border crossing can do it.
Posted by: Ralph at February 02, 2016 05:50 PM (PMkYS)
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True... but we're /just saying.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at February 02, 2016 06:04 PM (MbrzC)
597
Oh for heaven's sake
Read Methos, POP, rickb for starters
I'm out of here for now
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 06:01 PM (lVU49)
I can read. They aren't saying what you said they did.
And now you're so emotionally triggered you can't stay.
See you around.
Read Methos, POP, rickb for starters
I'm out of here for now
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 06:01 PM (lVU49)
I can read. They aren't saying what you said they did.
And now you're so emotionally triggered you can't stay.
See you around.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 02, 2016 06:04 PM (uURQL)
598
And the Mexicans who try to sneak in... what do you want the Army to do to them, on your militarized border?
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:38 PM (lVU49)
The same as for any alien who tries to breach our border. Why do you have to try and make this all about Mexicans? Do you have some sort of obsession with Mexicans?
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:38 PM (lVU49)
The same as for any alien who tries to breach our border. Why do you have to try and make this all about Mexicans? Do you have some sort of obsession with Mexicans?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 02, 2016 06:04 PM (zc3Db)
599
"Rubio is another of the GOPe's groomed front-men, no more no less."
Bingo.
Jeb! was anointed and then had his ass handed to him. Now they are pushing Rubio on us. Rush is 100% WRONG.
Rubio will sell us out like the whore he is. I'll take my chances with Trump or Cruz who isn't looking so hot at the moment.
Bingo.
Jeb! was anointed and then had his ass handed to him. Now they are pushing Rubio on us. Rush is 100% WRONG.
Rubio will sell us out like the whore he is. I'll take my chances with Trump or Cruz who isn't looking so hot at the moment.
Posted by: gdonovan at February 02, 2016 06:05 PM (Ipxoj)
600
I for one enjoy the spirited discussions found daily at the AOSHQ.
Posted by: SH at February 02, 2016 06:05 PM (gmeXX)
601
595
Oh please, it should be illegal for the GOP to nominate a lawyer to
represent them. No to Rubio, No to Cruz, any other lawyers trying
to represent the GOP? No to them as well.
They shouldn't nominate liberals either. No to noted Clinton donor Trump.
Oh please, it should be illegal for the GOP to nominate a lawyer to
represent them. No to Rubio, No to Cruz, any other lawyers trying
to represent the GOP? No to them as well.
They shouldn't nominate liberals either. No to noted Clinton donor Trump.
Posted by: Naes at February 02, 2016 06:05 PM (Ypc8j)
602
Nood you guys. Something about the Germans.
Posted by: Weasel at February 02, 2016 06:00 PM (e3bId)
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I'd like a Waldorf Salad, please.
Posted by: Weasel at February 02, 2016 06:00 PM (e3bId)
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I'd like a Waldorf Salad, please.
Posted by: jow at February 02, 2016 06:06 PM (S2qL1)
603
"The crime of illegal immigration is essentially equivalent to the crime of trespassing."
BULLSHIT.
Trespassing assumes they are just passing through.
They are invading and draining resources.
BULLSHIT.
Trespassing assumes they are just passing through.
They are invading and draining resources.
Posted by: gdonovan at February 02, 2016 06:07 PM (Ipxoj)
604
"You pay $1300 today for a Treasury bill that pays you $1000 30 years from now. "
To justify buying a bond like that, one would have to be expecting a huge deflationary event taking place within the next 30 years.
To justify buying a bond like that, one would have to be expecting a huge deflationary event taking place within the next 30 years.
Posted by: Willburn Sooner at February 02, 2016 06:07 PM (P3GWR)
605
600 Really? I mostly come here for the Uranus joke platform.
Posted by: Weasel at February 02, 2016 06:09 PM (e3bId)
606
I argue that the government should use a proportionate response. Others here believe every act of trespassing should be met with a bullet between the eyes. You tell me who the unreasonable one is.
Read some of the comments here.
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:58 PM (lVU49)
Well, "proportionate response" implies that you take into account how big the problem actually is. And when we consider that we have the population of a mid-sized european nation running around in our country, Im not exactly surprised that people want to up the threat level.
Read some of the comments here.
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:58 PM (lVU49)
Well, "proportionate response" implies that you take into account how big the problem actually is. And when we consider that we have the population of a mid-sized european nation running around in our country, Im not exactly surprised that people want to up the threat level.
Posted by: The Nayden Broad at February 02, 2016 06:10 PM (jhOn9)
607
Trespassers should be punished of course, but proportionately.
Citizenship: a cheap and almost meaningless trifle in the eyes of many a cuckservative.
Citizenship: a cheap and almost meaningless trifle in the eyes of many a cuckservative.
Posted by: Mike X. at February 02, 2016 06:12 PM (nx9Dt)
608
And how is that stimulative? That's the thing, right, to stimulate a shrinking economy? with inflation?
=They do the same thing to your bank account eventually because otherwise the banks go out of business. This forces you to put your money elsewhere, which they assume will be an investment of some kind, and somehow this magically improves things. They make the problematic assumption that you don't simply put your money in your mattress.
Or under what circumstances would that type of negative interest rate be a curative for a problem economy?
=I don't think there are any. This is what you do when you think you can solve all the world's problems and you have nothing else to do. The actual solution to the depression currently under way is to jack interest rates up and force the recognition of bad debts (defaults), but they're committed to keeping it paperred over as long as possible.
We're facing a shrinking economy, despite inflationary federal
reserve policy. Sounds to me like the Fed has lost control of the
economy, and the dollar.
=yup
=They do the same thing to your bank account eventually because otherwise the banks go out of business. This forces you to put your money elsewhere, which they assume will be an investment of some kind, and somehow this magically improves things. They make the problematic assumption that you don't simply put your money in your mattress.
Or under what circumstances would that type of negative interest rate be a curative for a problem economy?
=I don't think there are any. This is what you do when you think you can solve all the world's problems and you have nothing else to do. The actual solution to the depression currently under way is to jack interest rates up and force the recognition of bad debts (defaults), but they're committed to keeping it paperred over as long as possible.
We're facing a shrinking economy, despite inflationary federal
reserve policy. Sounds to me like the Fed has lost control of the
economy, and the dollar.
=yup
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, apparently also non-voting democrat at February 02, 2016 06:13 PM (ZbV+0)
609
Bond rates have actually gone negative on their own several times during the Crisis. It's a panic thing. You want your money to be safe (and you have wads of it). So you bid up the price of the bill/bond until the effective yield goes negative.
Think of it as paying the government to hold your money and keep it safe.
With negative Fed Funds rate, the Fed would (through whatever razzle dazzle power they have) drive the actual fed funds rate negative.
Banks make money off the difference in rates. Borrow short and lend long. The "borrowing" notion includes the depositors, of course. As long as the difference in rates between what they lend vs what they borrow is positive, they still make money, even if one or both rates is negative.
Suppose a bank makes a loan at -1%. Roughly, they get 99 cents on the dollar repaid from what they lend. They are paying a borrower to borrow from them.
Now, if they're "paying" -1.5% themselves (say charging their depositors 1.5% to hold money), they still make 0.5% rate on the difference.
Think of it as paying the government to hold your money and keep it safe.
With negative Fed Funds rate, the Fed would (through whatever razzle dazzle power they have) drive the actual fed funds rate negative.
Banks make money off the difference in rates. Borrow short and lend long. The "borrowing" notion includes the depositors, of course. As long as the difference in rates between what they lend vs what they borrow is positive, they still make money, even if one or both rates is negative.
Suppose a bank makes a loan at -1%. Roughly, they get 99 cents on the dollar repaid from what they lend. They are paying a borrower to borrow from them.
Now, if they're "paying" -1.5% themselves (say charging their depositors 1.5% to hold money), they still make 0.5% rate on the difference.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at February 02, 2016 06:13 PM (dvuhZ)
610
Isn't less like transient trespassing and more like squatting except that the squatter's kids get to stay in your home permanently?
Posted by: Mike X. at February 02, 2016 06:15 PM (nx9Dt)
611
begonia/petunia, I would think after all the time you've spent with your lips glued to Jebbie's loser ass, that you would have the humility (or the basic common sense) to absent yourself a bit from these threads instead of ridiculously lecturing the rest of us on how "electable" the GOP candidates are or aren't.
Your track record has been absolute shit over the past 6 months and you think you know who's "electable" just because your lips are now fastened to Dondi's butt? Please.
Your track record has been absolute shit over the past 6 months and you think you know who's "electable" just because your lips are now fastened to Dondi's butt? Please.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at February 02, 2016 06:16 PM (P8951)
612
Yep, already knew you preferred Trump to Rubio, Ace. Which, of course, is absolutely absurd. Rubio had one misstep, but it cannot be forgiven, even though he said he's learned his lesson. How many missteps has the Donald had on policy, but they are somehow a-ok, even when he hasn't admitted he was mistaken in the past?
REE-DICK-YOU-LESSSSS!
REE-DICK-YOU-LESSSSS!
Posted by: JoeC at February 02, 2016 06:16 PM (bYdfC)
Posted by: whatmeworry? at February 02, 2016 06:17 PM (dZGNV)
614
Let's just be really clear. No one objects to protecting the borders with the threat of force.
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:58 PM (lVU49)
You do.
Posted by: chemjeff at February 02, 2016 05:58 PM (lVU49)
You do.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at February 02, 2016 06:19 PM (zc3Db)
615
611 begonia/petunia, I would think after all the time you've spent with your lips glued to Jebbie's loser ass, that you would have the humility (or the basic common sense) to absent yourself a bit from these threads instead of ridiculously lecturing the rest of us on how "electable" the GOP candidates are or aren't.
Your track record has been absolute shit over the past 6 months and you think you know who's "electable" just because your lips are now fastened to Dondi's butt? Please.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at February 02, 2016 06:16 PM (P8951)
FYI petunia isn't begonia. Petunia is a hot air idiot that wandered in here in 2012 creaming her jeans for Romney. Begonia is likely a sock puppet that was attempting to copy her idiocy but they failed to predict that she would be all in for Rubio instead of Jeb.
Your track record has been absolute shit over the past 6 months and you think you know who's "electable" just because your lips are now fastened to Dondi's butt? Please.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at February 02, 2016 06:16 PM (P8951)
FYI petunia isn't begonia. Petunia is a hot air idiot that wandered in here in 2012 creaming her jeans for Romney. Begonia is likely a sock puppet that was attempting to copy her idiocy but they failed to predict that she would be all in for Rubio instead of Jeb.
Posted by: buzzion at February 02, 2016 06:28 PM (z/Ubi)
616
The final hour of Conservative talk radio is upon us. First the establishment, then the pundits, now the last holdouts in radio have failed.
Posted by: Chris Vaughn at February 02, 2016 06:28 PM (sDZq9)
617
Full Throated, yes. Conservative no.
Posted by: Chuck Schumer filling Rubio's throat. at February 02, 2016 06:29 PM (nbGZj)
618
I have never supported Jeb Bush. Quite the opposite.
When you must call names, you have lost the argument.
It says way more about you than me.
When you must call names, you have lost the argument.
It says way more about you than me.
Posted by: petunia at February 02, 2016 06:31 PM (VoCyE)
619
71 What stage are we in now, anger or denial?
Posted by: JackStraw at February 02, 2016 04:25 PM (/tuJf)
Still anger. But a bit of denial.
Acceptance is coming.
Posted by: JackStraw at February 02, 2016 04:25 PM (/tuJf)
Still anger. But a bit of denial.
Acceptance is coming.
Posted by: petunia at February 02, 2016 06:39 PM (VoCyE)
620
Winter is coming. Get your fires ready.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 02, 2016 06:42 PM (rwI+c)
621
Posted by: buzzion at February 02, 2016 06:28 PM (z/Ubi)
Ah thank you. I got the floral idiots confused.
Ah thank you. I got the floral idiots confused.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at February 02, 2016 06:47 PM (P8951)
622
I wouldn't be surprised if Marco and Rush probably had sex at the foam parties down there in Miami.
I will never vote for Rubio. I will never forget or forgive that sweaty faggot for betraying his campaign promises to join the Gang of 8 and push amnesty. Rush can join him in whatever hell traitors end up in.
I will never vote for Rubio. I will never forget or forgive that sweaty faggot for betraying his campaign promises to join the Gang of 8 and push amnesty. Rush can join him in whatever hell traitors end up in.
Posted by: Achilles at February 02, 2016 06:55 PM (MiGRM)
623
"I'm just another petite sized pretty face. And people like me doggone it!"
Posted by: Angry Marco at February 02, 2016 06:55 PM (uNpJu)
624
I suppose we all could just vote for Sweet Marco of Death.
Posted by: a440hz at February 02, 2016 07:05 PM (FAPxv)
625
Geez, Ace, you're handwringing about Trump is pretty lame. Love your blog. Love the fact that you are more willing than many pundits to call bullshit on the Republican establishment and their failure theater.
It's kind of refreshing to have a pundit who ventures away from constant spin (*ahem* Allahpundit) to squarely look at the bullshit the party is forcing you to defend and say, 'nah, that's bullshit.'
It would be nice, though, if you didn't get sucked into the Republican hive mind when the blizzard of opinion hits. Your pieces on Trump are fairer than many others, but there always seems to be this hanging qualifier, like you don't want to be seen as too Pro-Trump, because then you can just be labeled as a moron by the same circles that Allahpundit and Gabe Malor.
You do understand the political class, smart set are consistently wrong, so good on you. Why don't you go the next step and not fall for their lies?
Trump won second place in a state that is far removed from New York and that has people that are under the domination of phony religious leaders. He has one less delegate than Cruz (the champion!) and there's smoke-and-mirrors with Rubio. There just is.
Plus, Trump is way more "conservative" (whatever that means) in PRACTICE than all of these guys. When will we learn that what people say means little as compared to what they do?
It's kind of refreshing to have a pundit who ventures away from constant spin (*ahem* Allahpundit) to squarely look at the bullshit the party is forcing you to defend and say, 'nah, that's bullshit.'
It would be nice, though, if you didn't get sucked into the Republican hive mind when the blizzard of opinion hits. Your pieces on Trump are fairer than many others, but there always seems to be this hanging qualifier, like you don't want to be seen as too Pro-Trump, because then you can just be labeled as a moron by the same circles that Allahpundit and Gabe Malor.
You do understand the political class, smart set are consistently wrong, so good on you. Why don't you go the next step and not fall for their lies?
Trump won second place in a state that is far removed from New York and that has people that are under the domination of phony religious leaders. He has one less delegate than Cruz (the champion!) and there's smoke-and-mirrors with Rubio. There just is.
Plus, Trump is way more "conservative" (whatever that means) in PRACTICE than all of these guys. When will we learn that what people say means little as compared to what they do?
Posted by: McRib at February 02, 2016 07:05 PM (kwHPo)
626
Is it possible.. just perhaps possible that Rubio has changed his mind? Maybe he can't admit he fucked up. I think he knows he did, but did he learn anything? If he would have just come out after the Gang of 8 fiasco and admitted he was wrong maybe that would have helped. I don't know.. just throwing it out there.
Posted by: jewells45 at February 02, 2016 07:11 PM (CNHr1)
627
As for Limbaugh, I'm a bit over someone telling me who's conservative or what conservatism is.
I'm sorry, I thought "conservatives" had an innate distrust of concentrated power. You know there is something to Harvey Dent's line in The Dark Knight about how a person can become a villain by living too long. We get comfortable and try to protect what we have and brush away reform when it is needed.
Rush is trying to keep his audience as large as possible. If he throws in with a particular candidate, no matter how dynamic (Trump), he will alienate his other fans who will turn the dial. But he is supposed to be a crusader for conservatism, right? Yeah, but only until it eats into his bottom line. For all of his issues, Michael Savage actually throws in with his choice (Trump) and is unafraid to advocate for him.
This idea of objectivity is bullshit and "crusaders" like Rush Limbaugh hide behind it so they don't actually have to take a stand. Oh, he will fight the Media and the Establishment, until it actually costs him something (listeners), then he equivocates and hedges and plays all sides.
Marco Rubio is not a conservative, people. Rush doesn't have the stones to say so. You are being lied to when people say that he is. The Guardians of Conservatism thought Romney was just great, but write a treatise about Donald Trump who is way more conservative (border, guns, military). It's a con job.
Rush is part of the con. Anyone with something to lose always has the potential to be a part of the con. The "evangelicals" of Iowa got snowed again, but maybe there are enough people who are sick and tired of being abused by their leaders to actually fight back.
Regardless, though, at the end of this season, all of the sellouts will be known.
I'm sorry, I thought "conservatives" had an innate distrust of concentrated power. You know there is something to Harvey Dent's line in The Dark Knight about how a person can become a villain by living too long. We get comfortable and try to protect what we have and brush away reform when it is needed.
Rush is trying to keep his audience as large as possible. If he throws in with a particular candidate, no matter how dynamic (Trump), he will alienate his other fans who will turn the dial. But he is supposed to be a crusader for conservatism, right? Yeah, but only until it eats into his bottom line. For all of his issues, Michael Savage actually throws in with his choice (Trump) and is unafraid to advocate for him.
This idea of objectivity is bullshit and "crusaders" like Rush Limbaugh hide behind it so they don't actually have to take a stand. Oh, he will fight the Media and the Establishment, until it actually costs him something (listeners), then he equivocates and hedges and plays all sides.
Marco Rubio is not a conservative, people. Rush doesn't have the stones to say so. You are being lied to when people say that he is. The Guardians of Conservatism thought Romney was just great, but write a treatise about Donald Trump who is way more conservative (border, guns, military). It's a con job.
Rush is part of the con. Anyone with something to lose always has the potential to be a part of the con. The "evangelicals" of Iowa got snowed again, but maybe there are enough people who are sick and tired of being abused by their leaders to actually fight back.
Regardless, though, at the end of this season, all of the sellouts will be known.
Posted by: McRib at February 02, 2016 07:20 PM (kwHPo)
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I hate to point it out but Cruz said he would work with Pelosi.
I hate to say it even more but damn, even Rush has bought into redefined conservatives as being traditional conservatives. They ain't.
I hate to say it even more but damn, even Rush has bought into redefined conservatives as being traditional conservatives. They ain't.
Posted by: Drider at February 02, 2016 07:23 PM (6Xbsz)
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Rubio did say he was wrong! He said understands that we can't deal with people who are here until we know the border is fixed and they have stopped coming. What more do you want?
Posted by: petunia at February 02, 2016 07:36 PM (VoCyE)
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As for Limbaugh, I'm a bit over someone telling me who's conservative or what conservatism is.
I'm over it with Limbaugh, with Horde members, with Republicans, and everybody else. I hear you.
Keep your fuckin' label people. Define it however you wish.
I'm ronin.
I'm over it with Limbaugh, with Horde members, with Republicans, and everybody else. I hear you.
Keep your fuckin' label people. Define it however you wish.
I'm ronin.
Posted by: Irony at February 02, 2016 07:45 PM (qmMG2)
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The difference between Reagan and Cruz is Reagan had that natural sense of humor that could totally disarm people even if they hated him. Then he'd go for the jugular.
Posted by: pointsnfigures at February 02, 2016 07:46 PM (hSpC/)
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Plus, Trump is way more "conservative" (whatever that means) in PRACTICE than all of these guys.
Can you elaborate?
Can you elaborate?
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 02, 2016 07:48 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at February 02, 2016 07:49 PM (rwI+c)
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Rubio said he was wrong because the deal fell through at the last minute. To save his career, he walked it back. Paul Ryan, lapdog to the Chamber of Commerce, is just chomping at the bit to give his handlers open borders to drop wages and raise their profits at the expense of the American people.
It will not take long for Ryan and Rubio to totally sell the middle class completely out for their corporate donors.
Rubio, like Ryan, is a complete puppet. Both parties are made up of them. If you actually care about changing the way the political system in this country operates, then Trump is your only choice. His wealth disconnects him from making choices only in favor of his donors. It's his biggest strength.
Rubio is compromised and has scandal like you wouldn't believe. There is significant oppo research against him, but it will be released by the Clinton's against him. He's Rick Lazio, but with so many more liabilities.
It will not take long for Ryan and Rubio to totally sell the middle class completely out for their corporate donors.
Rubio, like Ryan, is a complete puppet. Both parties are made up of them. If you actually care about changing the way the political system in this country operates, then Trump is your only choice. His wealth disconnects him from making choices only in favor of his donors. It's his biggest strength.
Rubio is compromised and has scandal like you wouldn't believe. There is significant oppo research against him, but it will be released by the Clinton's against him. He's Rick Lazio, but with so many more liabilities.
Posted by: McRib at February 02, 2016 07:55 PM (kwHPo)
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Ace..you've jumped a whale of a shark...Iowa caucuses are not predictive as much as presumptive for each establishment "left or right" to set the stage for the campaign to come..As far as Republican candidates go..rarely; do they succeed..
If Rush, Levin or any media presence utters " ____ is the one" "electability" "celebrity" "just don't know what ____will do"....RUN AWAY as fast as you can from their advice.
^^^^^^^^
They all profit from the choice they're trying to get you to make.
No one who has kids in public schools, works for a living (if they can find a job) lives in urban and suburban neighborhoods declining because of illegal immigration or government policies of "food stamps, welfare, open borders and free phones for a vote" will have their life improved. NO ONE.
Maybe by the middle of March, someone will rise. By votes of the people--one legal citizen--one legal vote. No coin tosses, no dirty tricks...ok, that's a dream....
But relying on what anyone taking $$ from a sponsor or campaign donor to further their personal interest, is insulting and should be ignored...
Unless, you want to fail, or believe Cuba is a success and Iran is reasonable.
If Rush, Levin or any media presence utters " ____ is the one" "electability" "celebrity" "just don't know what ____will do"....RUN AWAY as fast as you can from their advice.
^^^^^^^^
They all profit from the choice they're trying to get you to make.
No one who has kids in public schools, works for a living (if they can find a job) lives in urban and suburban neighborhoods declining because of illegal immigration or government policies of "food stamps, welfare, open borders and free phones for a vote" will have their life improved. NO ONE.
Maybe by the middle of March, someone will rise. By votes of the people--one legal citizen--one legal vote. No coin tosses, no dirty tricks...ok, that's a dream....
But relying on what anyone taking $$ from a sponsor or campaign donor to further their personal interest, is insulting and should be ignored...
Unless, you want to fail, or believe Cuba is a success and Iran is reasonable.
Posted by: palinbeatsturdblossom at February 02, 2016 08:02 PM (/qiij)
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Grumpy:
Trump has many successful businesses and a large net worth. I don't think he got there using Congress's methods of failing to balance budgets (for how long). His remarkable projects are routinely completed under budget and early. Aside from Iowa (smh), he's dominating national polls and the national conversation and he's spent less than any other candidate. That's pretty conservative fiscal policy in ACTION. Compare that with Jeb Bush (who the National Review secretly favors) who is laughably burning through cash with nothing to show for it.
You like Conservatism of the last 15 years? Spending like crazy with nothing to show for it? Vote Jeb Bush. There's your Conservatism.
(Make no mistake: Jeb is the end game for all you Rubio lovers. Rubio will get destroyed. This has always been about Jeb. Rubio is a splitter; he's not going to make it. A vote for Rubio is a vote for Jeb.)
Trump is emphasizing the interests of the United States (borders, bad trade deals, veterans). Being pro-U.S., instead of having a cosmopolitan, globalist trade policy should be included in the definition of "conservatism", no?
He's been pro-military, forward thinking about ISIS and terrorism, and has a strong stable family.
Pretty conservative, if you ask me.
Trump has many successful businesses and a large net worth. I don't think he got there using Congress's methods of failing to balance budgets (for how long). His remarkable projects are routinely completed under budget and early. Aside from Iowa (smh), he's dominating national polls and the national conversation and he's spent less than any other candidate. That's pretty conservative fiscal policy in ACTION. Compare that with Jeb Bush (who the National Review secretly favors) who is laughably burning through cash with nothing to show for it.
You like Conservatism of the last 15 years? Spending like crazy with nothing to show for it? Vote Jeb Bush. There's your Conservatism.
(Make no mistake: Jeb is the end game for all you Rubio lovers. Rubio will get destroyed. This has always been about Jeb. Rubio is a splitter; he's not going to make it. A vote for Rubio is a vote for Jeb.)
Trump is emphasizing the interests of the United States (borders, bad trade deals, veterans). Being pro-U.S., instead of having a cosmopolitan, globalist trade policy should be included in the definition of "conservatism", no?
He's been pro-military, forward thinking about ISIS and terrorism, and has a strong stable family.
Pretty conservative, if you ask me.
Posted by: McRib at February 02, 2016 08:08 PM (kwHPo)
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Rush is trying to get people to swallow Rubio being a full throated conservative because he still see's Cruz treading water back in Iowa.
Cruz is going to fall by the wayside from here on out. Third place at best while Rubio passes 1st place back and forth between the top spot.
I cannot, being a principled Christian ever vote for Rubio.
Cruz is going to fall by the wayside from here on out. Third place at best while Rubio passes 1st place back and forth between the top spot.
I cannot, being a principled Christian ever vote for Rubio.
Posted by: Drider at February 02, 2016 08:09 PM (6Xbsz)
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When Trump first started talking about "making deals" a couple of weeks ago, I initially cringed a bit. But now, on further reflection, and given the timing of it, I understand what he meant.
He was saying, "Ted is promising big things, just like I am... pretty much the same things, in fact... but I'm the only one of us two who can actually get it done. Deal-making, after all, is what I do... and very well, might I add... while he's notorious for not working well with others."
It definitely could've been worded better, but I think that's the point Trump was driving at. And it is a good point, IMO. Unfortunately, while Trump is famous for many things, eloquence and talkin' purty are not among them.
He was saying, "Ted is promising big things, just like I am... pretty much the same things, in fact... but I'm the only one of us two who can actually get it done. Deal-making, after all, is what I do... and very well, might I add... while he's notorious for not working well with others."
It definitely could've been worded better, but I think that's the point Trump was driving at. And it is a good point, IMO. Unfortunately, while Trump is famous for many things, eloquence and talkin' purty are not among them.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at February 02, 2016 08:23 PM (0OG8D)
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Yeah, Trump is not a collaborative negotiator ("let's make a deal where everybody wins"); he's a zero-sum negotiator ("let's make a deal where I win").
Combine zero-sum negotiation killer instinct, top-flight persuasion skills, the strongest U.S interest of all candidates, and freedom from the corruption that comes from lobbyist money is a huge win for this country. Nobody else but Trump brings that to the table.
We'll see if the abused Republican electorate wakes up and stops enabling their Establishment abusers and goes with a winner instead.
Combine zero-sum negotiation killer instinct, top-flight persuasion skills, the strongest U.S interest of all candidates, and freedom from the corruption that comes from lobbyist money is a huge win for this country. Nobody else but Trump brings that to the table.
We'll see if the abused Republican electorate wakes up and stops enabling their Establishment abusers and goes with a winner instead.
Posted by: McRib at February 02, 2016 08:47 PM (kwHPo)
640
Would you accept right center Rubio as pres with the deal being he promises to get Cruz confirmed as AG then Supreme when Scalia goes?
Posted by: Casual Observer at February 03, 2016 07:45 AM (t3Zit)
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Trump is on his third wife now. How is that a "stable" family?
Posted by: Myself at February 03, 2016 10:15 AM (5wiU6)
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Funny, he doesn't look like Ann Coulter.
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