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Trump: I'm Not Doing Fox's Debate
So earlier Trump polled his supporters whether he should do the debate.
He put this video on Instagram. So then, FoxNews had to fire back, because of course they did. Let me point this out: For all this talk about Trump not being strong enough to stand up to criticism, it sure seems the Foxies don't think Megyn Kelly can stand up to some minor, none-too-withering criticism either. I'm a fan of Kelly's -- one of the few shows I watch on Fox (the others, The Five and Red Eye) -- but Fox's (and the entire conservative media echo chamber's) constant white-knighting on behalf of the damsel (not so much) in distress makes her look not as tough as usually sold. Anyway, they shot out this snarky, "wise-guy" (in Trump's words) press release:We learned from a secret back channel that the Ayatollah and Putin both intend to treat Donald Trump unfairly when they meet with him if he becomes president — a nefarious source tells us that Trump has his own secret plan to replace the Cabinet with his Twitter followers to see if he should even go to those meetings.So in other words, a representative and spokesman for Fox goes out and makes the exact case against Trump that all the Rubio supporters and Establishment people are making against him, that he's thin-skinned and if he can't stand up to Megyn Kelly, how can he stand up to world dictators? Now, if you don't like Trump, you might very well agree with that sentiment. But, dig this: A media organization is really not supposed to act as a house organ for a particular faction of a political party. Whether you agree with it or not, a media organization is supposed to have no particular opinion on the sentiment. At least they're not supposed to broadcast it. At the very least.
So then Trump said he probably wouldn't be doing the debate, after that "wise-guy" press release, and now says he won't do it. (Assuming I have the timing of those last two statements correct; otherwise, he said he wouldn't do it, then said he probably wouldn't do it.) Now confirmed:
Trump camp manager @CLewandowski_ confirms to WaPo that Trump is “definitely not” participating in Fox New debate. “His word is his bond."
— Philip Rucker (@PhilipRucker) January 26, 2016Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)A five-ring circus, 24-7-365.
We're done for, people. >_>
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 26, 2016 07:09 PM (AI4dS)
Posted by: Golfman at January 26, 2016 07:09 PM (48QDY)
RCP morning led to your Rubio piece yesterday.
Posted by: Carol at January 26, 2016 07:11 PM (sj3Ax)
Got several different scents, tonight I lit the "warm sugar cookies" candle.
The scent is intoxicating and I am beside myself with a desire for home-baked confections. x_x
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 26, 2016 07:11 PM (AI4dS)
Heh. eff em. And they try to smear Cruz too.
Rubio FTW!!
Posted by: Golfman at January 26, 2016 07:11 PM (48QDY)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 26, 2016 07:11 PM (Z8DIA)
Posted by: rebel flounder at January 26, 2016 07:12 PM (3dOE/)
Posted by: Caliban at January 26, 2016 07:13 PM (3GFMN)
Posted by: Hartmark at January 26, 2016 07:13 PM (zv81W)
Posted by: rabidfox at January 26, 2016 07:13 PM (EW9tX)
I'm sick of Trump 24/7 & I keep television off or on demand, or premium channels.
Posted by: Carol at January 26, 2016 07:13 PM (sj3Ax)
Exactly.
If the RNC dumped Natl Review from a debate for being too in the tank against a candidate, they should dump Fox News as well.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 26, 2016 07:14 PM (t5zYU)
Posted by: Tim in GA at January 26, 2016 07:14 PM (nO9fR)
Taking orders from the CoC and the boss.
We don't have open borders. We have no borders.
Think big.
Posted by: Golfman at January 26, 2016 07:14 PM (48QDY)
That was a good one!
Posted by: Carol at January 26, 2016 07:15 PM (sj3Ax)
Which is the exact reason why i don't buy bakery-item scented candles. I'd be hungry all the time.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 26, 2016 07:15 PM (GDulk)
Posted by: buzzion at January 26, 2016 07:15 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: Golfman at January 26, 2016 07:16 PM (48QDY)
Posted by: spypeach at January 26, 2016 07:16 PM (nyYhO)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 26, 2016 07:16 PM (w4NZ8)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 07:16 PM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: nip at January 26, 2016 07:16 PM (r73Jl)
Regardless of whether Rubio partisans echo it, the notion that he's afraid to be interrogated by Megyn Kelly might reflect on his ability to confront world leaders is natural and as old as time.
But, hey, he fights!
Just not in person.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 07:16 PM (JIElb)
The guy has broken his word on how many financial transactions? How many of his business partners have sued him and won? How many of his schemes have been called fraud?
How many BILLIONS of dollars in debt has he never repaid as he initially promised? I bet those deals weren't great for the other side. A whole lot of people lost a lot, and a few lost everything.
How many marriages has he broken his vows on?
The guy even cheats at golf, for the pettiest and more desperate need to be awesome.
His word is not his bond. This is the fundamental reason I do not support him, but rather Cruz, who has walked the walk despite withering fire from his own party. Cruz and many other republicans promised to fight Obama, but at the end of the day, Cruz did so with very few allies... still he kept his word to us.
There's time to get something awesome out of this primary.
Posted by: Dustin at January 26, 2016 07:16 PM (a7sQX)
They want to hurt Trump. Giving in to his demands will make him look good. Not giving in, they at least have a chance at making him look foolish.
Plus, Trump previously has tried this gambit on CNN ("Donate the extra millions i bring in to the Veterans!"). They didn't agree to that and Trump went on anyway.
Posted by: other joe_mama at January 26, 2016 07:17 PM (13W9U)
Posted by: Trump! at January 26, 2016 07:17 PM (UBS9M)
Posted by: eleven at January 26, 2016 07:17 PM (qUNWi)
I bet Rubio, Jeb and Kasich get the most question time.
Posted by: Kreplach at January 26, 2016 07:17 PM (WVvzl)
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It's not about whether or not Megyn Kelly was unfair to Trump. That memo is unprofessional. If they are supposed to be "moderating" a debate, they need to be impartial.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 26, 2016 07:18 PM (t5zYU)
Getting more candidates off the stage? Good.
His debate performance is not really his biggest strength. His bigger strength is getting into public verbal fistfights with whomever is his current target de jour.
I think this was kind of silly of Fox. Love him or hate him, the guy does bring in ratings.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 26, 2016 07:18 PM (iHjB5)
And Jerry Falwell, Jr. has come out for Trump.
Don't have a dog in this hunt. Yet.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 26, 2016 07:18 PM (FsuaD)
This reminds me of a Groucho Marx quote "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them,,,,well, I have others.
Posted by: Puddleglum at January 26, 2016 07:19 PM (NGd+i)
Posted by: Secundus at January 26, 2016 07:19 PM (IhZls)
Posted by: Zombie Gay Rights Controversy at January 26, 2016 07:19 PM (jrHwS)
Just sayin.
Posted by: eleven at January 26, 2016 07:19 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: DaveA at January 26, 2016 07:19 PM (DL2i+)
And I'm not even a Trump fan.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at January 26, 2016 07:19 PM (+eR2D)
So without all of the attention on Trump and Trump basking in attention it will at least be different than the other debates.
Posted by: CozMark at January 26, 2016 07:20 PM (CbGSW)
Fuckin A.
or maybe Candy Crowley is available?
Posted by: nip at January 26, 2016 07:20 PM (r73Jl)
The GOP establishment fucked us all by dumping all their money into Jebra so that all the other good governors dropped out early.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at January 26, 2016 07:20 PM (EjBTO)
It's funny how we can pinpoint exactly the moment Carly Fioria's campaign died -- when she played tv general and discussed troop and fleet movements for her invasion of Syria.
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 26, 2016 07:20 PM (FqI4R)
"Trump can't win."
"Trump will pull out before August, guaranteed."
"Trump's polls will fall, for sure."
"Trump will quit before Thanksgiving, right?"
"Trump's can't break 30%"
"Trump has peaked. It's over."
And the latest prediction with an egg-surprise in store is ...
"He's going to look like an idiot if he doesn't. Brett, Megyn and Chris are three of the best, and very fair."
Posted by: Caliban
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 26, 2016 07:20 PM (W0RfD)
It does demonstrate yet again that Trump is pretty thin-skinned. Even if this is a ploy on his part to avoid the debate or get more publicity for a competing event, he still looks mighty petulant. It'll be a long 4 years if he wins the Presidency. His temper tantrums may make the current idiot look mature.
Posted by: Jill v2 at January 26, 2016 07:20 PM (1+uyO)
Nothing wrong with the FOX tweet. It was great!
Posted by: ED at January 26, 2016 07:21 PM (4S8l8)
Posted by: kahall at January 26, 2016 07:21 PM (Cmgna)
It will be in the numbers.
I guess he said he would donate money to the vets or somthing.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 07:21 PM (Xo1Rt)
Why go along with the media's BS premises?
Posted by: other joe_mama at January 26, 2016 07:21 PM (13W9U)
Cuz you know without Trump there they'll focus their fire on Cruz.
That may be Trump's plan.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 26, 2016 07:21 PM (0cMkb)
Ratings gold for Fox.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 26, 2016 07:21 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Frankns at January 26, 2016 07:21 PM (hH0xO)
Yeah, Trump haters. You really DO sound like Msnbcers. You really really do.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 26, 2016 07:22 PM (TOk1P)
34 This episode makes Trump look like a pussy.
Posted by: Zombie Gay Rights Controversy at January 26, 2016 07:19 PM (jrHwS)
Posted by: ObjectionSustained at January 26, 2016 07:22 PM (jrHwS)
Almost beyond parody or sarcasm!
For you, you sneering puffed-up charlatan. Word is his bond, my adz.
Posted by: mnw (fair and ballast) at January 26, 2016 07:22 PM (NiHAc)
Posted by: buzzion at January 26, 2016 07:22 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: Teddy Roosevelt at January 26, 2016 07:22 PM (JO9+V)
Posted by: the thing on Rand Paul's head (now back at the adult table) at January 26, 2016 07:23 PM (H9MG5)
Posted by: mnw (fair and ballast) at January 26, 2016 07:23 PM (NiHAc)
Always be prepared to walk away...Art of the Deal playing out?
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 26, 2016 07:23 PM (MbrzC)
Go to Real Clear Politics!
Posted by: Carol at January 26, 2016 07:24 PM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: CozMark at January 26, 2016 07:20 PM (CbGSW)
Maybe the others will drop the mask and say what they really mean since he is not present.
And since he's there not to shout them down.
Posted by: Golfman at January 26, 2016 07:24 PM (48QDY)
I think it was after her comment at the first debate about Trump's being heard by all those women who knew exactly what he meant and then her going on an on about the PP video and claiming stuff that wasn't factual. (the damn video was bad enough she didn't need to embellish) And also when the attention she drew (thanks to Trump) made folks realize she wasn't such a hot deal. That's when she nose dived.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 07:24 PM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: no good deed at January 26, 2016 07:24 PM (GgxVX)
Posted by: Leftist academic at January 26, 2016 07:24 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: DaveA at January 26, 2016 07:24 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: geography at January 26, 2016 07:24 PM (OVRIT)
Ratings gold for Fox.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 26, 2016 07:21 PM (FsuaD)<<<
If that was the offer, I'd do the FOX debate!!!
Posted by: Cankles! Clinton at January 26, 2016 07:24 PM (H9MG5)
Posted by: wth at January 26, 2016 07:25 PM (HgMAr)
Watch Fox get 2 million viewers and Trump / Cruz get 6 million (or whatever).
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 26, 2016 07:25 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: They call me TRUMP! at January 26, 2016 07:25 PM (UBS9M)
"It's going to be great." "We're going to have the best [whatever] in the world."
That won't cut it with Kelly and he'll get follow-ups from her.
Trump's
(a) keeping his support locked-in, it's an Obama-like cult and you don't want to break the spell;
(b) hoping that the ratings will be low, because that's all he can talk about -- polls and ratings, except the polls that show him getting creamed by Hillary;
(c) hoping that in subsequent debates they'll be kid gloves with him, hoping to get him back (and get ratings); and
(d) setting up his 3rd party run, he's got to have his list of grievances to justify it.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 07:25 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 26, 2016 07:25 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: freaked at January 26, 2016 07:25 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: CozMark at January 26, 2016 07:20 PM (CbGSW)
So would a lemon party. I'm not going to watch one of those either.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 26, 2016 07:25 PM (TOk1P)
They claim to want to be a "fair and balanced" "news" "channel" but they are acting as bad if not worse then MSNBC or any of the others.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 26, 2016 07:25 PM (AkOaV)
Fox == Rupert Murdoch.
Roop has never been shy about imposing his personal and political views as the ironclad editorial line at his media properties, and those views are... _flexible_ to say the least.
As when Roop abruptly dumped his support for the Tories in the UK to shift to backing Tony Blair's "new Labour". Something he did so abruptly that certain editions of certain Murdoch newspapers had different endorsements in the same stack of copies at the newsstand, depending how far down in the pile you dug.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 26, 2016 07:26 PM (noWW6)
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silly but that reminds me of Rik Mayall in How To Get Ahead In Advertising
"I may be a chancre but my word is bond!"
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at January 26, 2016 07:26 PM (Cq0oW)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 26, 2016 07:26 PM (w4NZ8)
Trump INVITED this by openly flirting with not doing the debate because they weren't "nice" to him. If he wins the nomination, he is going to have to deal with much worse. If he tried to download the same thing in the general, the media would eat him alive.
I think this backfires, not hugely, because his fervent supporters will watch whatever show he puts on for CNN or MSNBC or Lifetime, but for the Trump curious, like me, it's a negative.
Posted by: Boone at January 26, 2016 07:26 PM (vq6QR)
and then her going on an on about the PP video and claiming stuff that wasn't factual.
Yeah, the stuff on those vids were factual enough for me. Those people are evil.
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 26, 2016 07:26 PM (FqI4R)
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 07:26 PM (s5o+q)
Woohoo, more time for Kasich and his wildly gesticulating hands! Maybe he will actually knock himself out during this debate.
Posted by: no good deed
....................
or at least slap himself in his Pursed Lips.
Posted by: wth at January 26, 2016 07:26 PM (HgMAr)
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I have no idea what you're
...
zzzzz
Posted by: Rhonda Rousey at January 26, 2016 07:26 PM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: BurtTC at January 26, 2016 07:26 PM (TOk1P)
Just like every other time that the punditry said "Oboy, Trump's stepped in it now.", this will be good for another couple of points on his polling.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 26, 2016 07:26 PM (Z8DIA)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 26, 2016 07:26 PM (w4NZ8)
Posted by: Skip at January 26, 2016 07:26 PM (hk3Fb)
...................
His hair or his boots?
Posted by: wth at January 26, 2016 07:25 PM (HgMAr)
His johnson. Fox has been busy
Posted by: Secundus at January 26, 2016 07:27 PM (IhZls)
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 07:27 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: Republican White Knight at January 26, 2016 07:27 PM (Pwh6H)
Trump should buy some air time and talk right to the people. And charts. Have lots and lots of charts!!!
Posted by: Ross Perot at January 26, 2016 07:27 PM (H9MG5)
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THIS.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 26, 2016 07:27 PM (t5zYU)
Ratings gold for Fox.
Posted by: Jane D'oh
Well I would certainly watch,,,with the sound turned down and AC/DC playing on the stereo.
Posted by: Puddleglum at January 26, 2016 07:27 PM (NGd+i)
Actually, if you pay close(er) attention, Trump doesn't shout much of anyone down at the debates so far. Maybe the moderators.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 07:27 PM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 07:27 PM (39g3+)
Megyn Kelly acted like a partisan progressive attack dog in her attacks on Trump in the last debate.
And if she's going to act like that, I say fuck her. I don't want to give her ratings, and I sure as hell wouldn't want to take it if I were a candidate either.
Stop letting these assholes in the media be the "gatekeepers" to information for the people. They're hacks. Treat them as such.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 26, 2016 07:27 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: buzzion at January 26, 2016 07:15 PM (z/Ubi)
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Good point actually.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 26, 2016 07:27 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: Jada Pinkett Smith at January 26, 2016 07:27 PM (3GAnN)
Posted by: Nom de Blog at January 26, 2016 07:27 PM (HeZ0H)
Indeed, I give Carly Furina major credit for having the stones to speak out against Planned Abortionhood.
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 26, 2016 07:27 PM (FqI4R)
Posted by: garrett at January 26, 2016 07:27 PM (b99VK)
I think both Fox and Trump are the Kings F**** of Shit Mountain, to paraphrase Ace.
Everybody thinks they're the Adult In The Room, the big secret is the top mental age in the room is like seven.
If you know you're dumb, you actually have a leg up, because everybody is dumb, but most people don't know it.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 26, 2016 07:28 PM (bLnSU)
And the latest prediction with an egg-surprise in store is ...
"He's going to look like an idiot if he doesn't. Brett, Megyn and Chris are three of the best, and very fair."
Posted by: Caliban
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 26, 2016 07:20 PM (W0RfD)
So you don't agree that they are fair?
Posted by: Caliban at January 26, 2016 07:28 PM (3GFMN)
Posted by: Melania at January 26, 2016 07:28 PM (HgMAr)
Shortest food chain in history, as on second day in office Bernie bans ramen.
That'll teach the Big Ramen fat cats!
Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 26, 2016 07:28 PM (xq1UY)
Posted by: Not a Cult Member at January 26, 2016 07:28 PM (Y8P5w)
Too much bleeding out of her .. whatever .. err bullet holes.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 07:28 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 07:28 PM (Xo1Rt)
Well I would certainly watch,,,with the sound turned down and AC/DC playing on the stereo.
Posted by: Puddleglum at January 26, 2016 07:27 PM (NGd+i)
I've got it bad, got it bad, got it bad
I'm hot for moderator
Posted by: Van Secundus at January 26, 2016 07:28 PM (IhZls)
Posted by: AmishDude
That's the same thing the pundits have been saying since summer.
Hope springs eternal, I guess.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 26, 2016 07:29 PM (W0RfD)
Trump INVITED this by openly flirting with not doing the debate because they weren't "nice" to him. If he wins the nomination, he is going to have to deal with much worse. If he tried to download the same thing in the general, the media would eat him alive.
I think this backfires, not hugely, because his fervent supporters will watch whatever show he puts on for CNN or MSNBC or Lifetime, but for the Trump curious, like me, it's a negative.
Posted by: Boone at January 26, 2016 07:26 PM (vq6QR)
Is Fox News Channel a political organization or a news channel?
If you want to be a news channel, you don't act like a fucking political campaign.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 26, 2016 07:29 PM (AkOaV)
If the ratings tank, he can point to it as evidence that he is the one with all of the excitement in the race.
If he gets Fox to back down and apologize, that is a definite win for him and a signal to everyone who the strong horse is.
If he stays out for whatever reason he can spend the night talking about how the debate is pointless since the front runner is not even there.
I do not really see a downside for him here. I could be wrong of course since I did not honestly expect him to make it this far in the first place.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 26, 2016 07:29 PM (iHjB5)
Posted by: eleven at January 26, 2016 07:29 PM (qUNWi)
Trump actually does what we all howled for and he's freaking coward and unworthy of our notice.
GOOD.TO.KNOW.
Not a Trumpster here, but, hey let's be honest about the fact that it's nice to see someone push the hell back on the media.
Not a Kelly fan either. IMHO, she is vastly overrated, were she blessed with Greta V's face, I do not think she would have a prime time show.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at January 26, 2016 07:29 PM (kXoT0)
Why is it okay when Fox does it?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 26, 2016 07:29 PM (AkOaV)
70 Here's what's going on: Trump is overexposed, the novelty is wearing off and he's starting to be asked specific questions.
"It's going to be great." "We're going to have the best [whatever] in the world."
That won't cut it with Kelly and he'll get follow-ups from her.
He's more overexposed to types who hang out on politic blogs all day long. Which is a smaller percentage of the general public. Talking to LIV types, they tend to hear about him whenever one of his 'controversies' show up in the news. The cadence seems to be about every 2 weeks.
Posted by: other joe_mama at January 26, 2016 07:29 PM (13W9U)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 26, 2016 07:29 PM (OLNwX)
With Trump or without, I probably won't watch anyway.
Posted by: Tami at January 26, 2016 07:29 PM (v0/PR)
I nominate Blackie Lawless.
Posted by: garrett
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Worth re-reading every couple of weeks or so!
Posted by: Furious George at January 26, 2016 07:29 PM (3GAnN)
Well yeah, exactly. Trump finally pulled the trigger, so I'm hardly going to make fun of him for it.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 07:29 PM (39g3+)
The crummy weather in the east should be a plus for Kasquish.
"Neither snow, nor rain, nor heat, nor gloom of night, shall stay this son of a mailman from the swift completion of his appointed rounds."
Posted by: torquewrench at January 26, 2016 07:30 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 26, 2016 07:30 PM (JO9+V)
It shows that he can appear thin-skinned.
Posted by: DaveA at January 26, 2016 07:30 PM (DL2i+)
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We'll know when this debate's ratings come in. Are the Fox debates getting the numbers because folks watch FNC and they're what's on? Or are people watching for Trump?
Posted by: Methos at January 26, 2016 07:30 PM (ZbV+0)
But I really, really soured on Fox after that first debate. And on Megyn Kelly.
Posted by: blaster at January 26, 2016 07:30 PM (2Ocf1)
I agree on both points. We shall see though. Iowainians might not like it.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 07:30 PM (rwI+c)
I'm wondering what are the odds he will do the debate
Posted by: Skip at January 26, 2016 07:31 PM (hk3Fb)
Posted by: donna at January 26, 2016 07:31 PM (/dSsq)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 07:31 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 26, 2016 07:31 PM (W0RfD)
Posted by: Boone at January 26, 2016 07:31 PM (vq6QR)
Posted by: Hank at January 26, 2016 07:31 PM (BtG7l)
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 07:32 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Brandt at January 26, 2016 07:32 PM (b99VK)
If he doesn't want to participate I'm not going to miss him.
Posted by: Skip at January 26, 2016 07:26 PM (hk3Fb)
......................
and he's certainly not going to receive a trophy.
Posted by: wth at January 26, 2016 07:32 PM (HgMAr)
Posted by: Not a Cult Member at January 26, 2016 07:32 PM (Y8P5w)
Yeah, that Megyn Kelly broad sure does ask probing questions!
She's a douche and a charlatan. She's an entertainer. She does a conservative shtick on Fox News, but unlike Colbert, she doesn't break character for the lulz.
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 26, 2016 07:32 PM (FqI4R)
Posted by: Crom's Dirty Underpants at January 26, 2016 07:32 PM (xudgf)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 07:32 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Hank at January 26, 2016 07:31 PM (BtG7l)
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Thank you.
Posted by: Democrat Party at January 26, 2016 07:32 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 26, 2016 07:32 PM (w4NZ8)
IMO Kelly would be working in somebody's accounts receivable department if half the country didn't want to fuck her.
Incidentally, I wonder what Fox's monthly Clorox budget is.
Posted by: Van Secundus at January 26, 2016 07:32 PM (IhZls)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 26, 2016 07:32 PM (FkBIv)
I'm tempted to think this is just hilarious theater, but I just don't know. Will it backfire in Iowa? Isn't the debate in Iowa?
Does arrogant and childish play well in Iowa?
Posted by: Joanne at January 26, 2016 07:33 PM (hgBpU)
What I do mind is the seeming obligatory name calling of his supporters.
This I don't get. We're stupid, assholes, democrats, ignorant, pushovers, dummies, egotists, morons (the bad kind), shills and etcetera.
That's what gets me. And strangely enough, there's plenty in the 'conservative' media that have done and do that same thing so it's a phenomenon and not just from people here or at Hot Air.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 07:33 PM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: Skip at January 26, 2016 07:33 PM (hk3Fb)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 26, 2016 07:31 PM (W0RfD)
Can you answer the question?
Posted by: Caliban at January 26, 2016 07:33 PM (3GFMN)
Posted by: The Donald at January 26, 2016 07:33 PM (JO9+V)
Posted by: Not a Cult Member at January 26, 2016 07:33 PM (Y8P5w)
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That would actually be amazing, not likely gonna happen though.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 26, 2016 07:34 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 26, 2016 07:26 PM (w4NZ
Do you say "I don't really care for Trump," or do you feel the need to launch into a 20 comment rant about how awful he is every time his name get brought up, and then accuse anyone that does not hate him as much as you as being a cultist?
Posted by: buzzion at January 26, 2016 07:34 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 07:34 PM (0LHZx)
I'm loathe to criticize him.
I'll just stop there.
Posted by: eleven at January 26, 2016 07:29 PM (qUNWi)
I'm about 40something percent certain Amish is just having a go here. He could pull it off. The thing that makes me lean more in the other direction is that he's not even remotely funny, and this has been going on for... what, a week now?
Needs a medication adjustment is another possibility.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 26, 2016 07:34 PM (TOk1P)
What's next for Megan Kelly?
She gonna give it to the Harris County grand jury, and give it to 'em real good?? How her fake outrage act fools the hundred of thousands of dopes who watch her is incontheevable.
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 26, 2016 07:34 PM (FqI4R)
Her show has been one continuous anti-trump screed fest from jump.
I think this is a smart move by Trump.
And you just know she's going to go after Cruz, it's what her bosses want.
Posted by: Kreplach at January 26, 2016 07:35 PM (WVvzl)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 07:35 PM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 26, 2016 07:35 PM (kpqmD)
Posted by: Joanne
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Well duh, you stupid doo-doo head.
Posted by: Tom Harkin at January 26, 2016 07:35 PM (3GAnN)
I laughed just writing that...
Posted by: donna at January 26, 2016 07:35 PM (/dSsq)
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I wonder if this attitude might play out when time comes to make those deals with the establishment he's been pilloried over the last week.
Posted by: Methos at January 26, 2016 07:35 PM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: Not a Cult Member at January 26, 2016 07:35 PM (Y8P5w)
And Donald Jackass Trump is running for
President
of the
United States
not King Troll on Twitter.
He can be dismissive or even snarky, but he's just whiny.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 07:35 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 26, 2016 07:36 PM (T78UI)
What I do mind is the seeming obligatory name calling of his supporters.
This I don't get. We're stupid, assholes, democrats, ignorant, pushovers, dummies, egotists, morons (the bad kind), shills and etcetera.
That's what gets me. And strangely enough, there's plenty in the 'conservative' media that have done and do that same thing so it's a phenomenon and not just from people here or at Hot Air.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 07:33 PM (Xo1Rt)
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So many masks have been ripped off this election season. It's breathtaking.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 07:36 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 07:36 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: Donald Trump at January 26, 2016 07:36 PM (rwI+c)
This is a huge screw up by Trump, as we will see on Monday.
Posted by: Not a Cult Member
You have a prediction? Let's hear it.
And we'll revisit this topic on Monday to see if you were right.
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 26, 2016 07:36 PM (FqI4R)
I agree on both points. We shall see though. Iowainians might not like it.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 07:30 PM (rwI+c)
I can see the moderators attempting to shut Cruz out as much as possible.
Posted by: buzzion at January 26, 2016 07:37 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: Pastafarian at January 26, 2016 07:37 PM (pCf+a)
I'm loathe to criticize him.
I'll just stop there.
Posted by: eleven at January 26, 2016 07:29 PM (qUNWi)
Your boyfriend sleeps around on you and when he beats you, it doesn't mean he loves you.
I'm sorry you hate me for saying it.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 07:37 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Not a Cult Member at January 26, 2016 07:35 PM (Y8P5w)
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You're right. After all most of Trump's supporters go around calling the supporters of Jeb and the mailman's son neo-nazis who beat off to anime.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 07:37 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 07:25 PM (JIElb)
*Looks at polls*
*points and laughs*
Posted by: Methos at January 26, 2016 07:37 PM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 07:37 PM (DUoqb)
Like a freshly shorn scrotum!
Posted by: Austin Powers at January 26, 2016 07:37 PM (JO9+V)
Posted by: Sphynx at January 26, 2016 07:37 PM (OZmbA)
126 I just had an thought,
I'm wondering what are the odds he will do the debate
Posted by: Skip at January 26, 2016 07:31 PM (hk3Fb)
This. I'm thinking either Fox or Trump will blink before Thursday.
Posted by: other joe_mama at January 26, 2016 07:37 PM (13W9U)
It's the opposite: they need him for the sake of publicity.
The only mistake he's made is not making a bigger show of this earlier. Something along the lines of:
"Those guys can go to debate club and talk to no one. What will I do? I'm going to Iowa and I'm bringing hell with me."
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 26, 2016 07:38 PM (W0RfD)
Posted by: Joanne at January 26, 2016 07:33 PM (hgBpU)
Apparently since they haven't refused to deal with Hillary or Bernie.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at January 26, 2016 07:38 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: donna at January 26, 2016 07:31 PM (/dSsq)
we've been begging R candidates to not do debates with biased moderators forever.
I, for one, like that Trump is setting the precedent here. And I will watch his silly veterans thing instead of the debate to prove to other potential future R candidates that the media are not gate keepers and that they dont matter.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 26, 2016 07:38 PM (AkOaV)
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I think I know this guy.
* waves hi if that's actually you *
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 07:38 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: Sharon at January 26, 2016 07:38 PM (p7gB8)
And frankly, it worries me that Trump's people either don't know or don't care about that very simple bit of political calculus.
Posted by: T at January 26, 2016 07:38 PM (NctcF)
Posted by: Donald Trump at January 26, 2016 07:36 PM (rwI+c)
FIFY
Posted by: The Moustashiod Hat at January 26, 2016 07:39 PM (vBeA5)
His point is valid: The Fox crew and Kelly went after him on pointless crap and turned the last debate (and lost of coverage since then) into a tabloid BS spectacle of "Did you hear what [insert name] said!! OMG!".
Alternatively, show up and mercilessly mock the media and turn their stupid questions on them.
Alas, we just get yet another PT Barnum publicity stunt for Twitter.
Posted by: Damiano at January 26, 2016 07:39 PM (XItbt)
Posted by: Josephistan at January 26, 2016 07:39 PM (7qAYi)
And if she's going to act like that, I say fuck her. I don't want to give her ratings, and I sure as hell wouldn't want to take it if I were a candidate either.
Stop letting these assholes in the media be the "gatekeepers" to information for the people. They're hacks. Treat them as such.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 26, 2016 07:27 PM (AkOaV)
Actually, we complained last time that the media was too partisan, hid behind their partisanship and why can't debates be on Fox?
Now they're on Fox but because someone dares challenge the Internet Troll and amateur politician, we should go back to CNN and MSNBC?
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 07:39 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 07:39 PM (DUoqb)
Most People either love Him or hate Him... Doesn't seem to be any "middle" ground..... I'm sitting back and waiting to see what happens as none of the Candidates thrill Me... That's not to say I won't do everything in My power to see that Hillary! or whatever Dem. gets the nomination loses...
Posted by: donna at January 26, 2016 07:39 PM (/dSsq)
Posted by: typo dynamofo at January 26, 2016 07:39 PM (L7nbe)
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 07:39 PM (0LHZx)
disemboweling Romney in a debate and we all said many many times that
Pubbies should just refuse to a debate if they felt one of the
moderators was unfair to them."
Actually, what infuriated a bunch of us was that Romney just stood there passively after Obama barked, "Candy, get the transcript".
What Romney ought to have done was to have LOUDLY and FORCEFULLY called a flag on the play, and refused to continue the debate under those conditions.
"Hey, hold on right there. Ms. Crowley is supposed to be moderating this debate, not fact-checking it. And what in the world is she doing with copies of White House transcripts from months ago? Why are those here? And Mr. Obama, how do you know in advance that she _has_ a copy of that transcript? And why is she following orders given by you? This isn't debate moderation. This is partisan collusion."
Posted by: torquewrench at January 26, 2016 07:39 PM (noWW6)
What I do mind is the seeming obligatory name calling of his supporters
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pardon? we're the name callers?
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at January 26, 2016 07:40 PM (Cq0oW)
Posted by: blaster at January 26, 2016 07:30 PM (2Ocf1)
First debate, first question, pissed me off. Never seen that stupid question asked in a debate in my life.
Then the "war on women" bullshit started and I was done. Turned it off, haven't watched another since.
Sick of the crap. Wish they could actually debate, not this "attack your fellow candidate" crap.
Although it may be just because I am sick of politics in general. I'm sick of the badmouthing of others. I hate primary season. Then they turn around and are all nicey-nice to each other. All crap.
Whatever. Getting another drink.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at January 26, 2016 07:40 PM (+eR2D)
Will Trump do a Townhall event on another competing channel perhaps? Or an interview with a noted conservative on another network? I'd think the best way to not give them ratings would be to compete with them head to head.
Posted by: Illiniwek at January 26, 2016 07:40 PM (5Gpe2)
Posted by: Puddleglum at January 26, 2016 07:40 PM (NGd+i)
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 26, 2016 07:40 PM (JO9+V)
I do too. Unprofessional. Should've been above it all.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 07:40 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Josephistan at January 26, 2016 07:40 PM (7qAYi)
Posted by: Not a Cult Member at January 26, 2016 07:41 PM (Y8P5w)
Your boyfriend sleeps around on you and when he beats you, it doesn't mean he loves you.
I'm sorry you hate me for saying it.
Amish Dude...I don't even like Trump.
I like you, but apparently you've lost you're shit lately.
I never said I hate you.
What's up?
Posted by: eleven at January 26, 2016 07:41 PM (qUNWi)
Now they're on Fox but because someone dares challenge the Internet Troll and amateur politician, we should go back to CNN and MSNBC?
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 07:39 PM (JIElb)
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Why do they have to be on any network? You can have a debate online with nobody moderators, who actually, you know, moderate, and don't inject themselves into the debate.
Again, why do we have to do everything the way we've always done it?
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 07:41 PM (0LHZx)
150 77 Could someone explain to me exactly what differentiates a "Trump hater" from a person who doesn't have him as their first choice and thinks there are downsides to her personality? If people say anything negative, does that mean they're a Trump hater?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 26, 2016 07:26 PM (w4NZ
Do you say "I don't really care for Trump," or do you feel the need to launch into a 20 comment rant about how awful he is every time his name get brought up, and then accuse anyone that does not hate him as much as you as being a cultist?
Posted by: buzzion at January 26, 2016 07:34 PM (z/Ubi)
Bingo. It's fine to have him not be your guy. It's when the anti-Trumpers get weird and emotional about it, nitpicking at every wart the candidate has. At the end of the day, they all have their warts and reasons to elect/not elect them.
Posted by: other joe_mama at January 26, 2016 07:41 PM (13W9U)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 26, 2016 07:32 PM (FkBIv)
Almost surely not, but it brings up an interesting point.
FNC very quickly disinvited NR and were right to do so. But that's not enough for Donald, is it?
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 07:41 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 07:42 PM (DUoqb)
I think the parties sanction all of the debates, hence the story today about the Democrats having an "unsanctioned" debate added.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 26, 2016 07:42 PM (t5zYU)
Why we have Barry.
Posted by: Prince Matchabelli at January 26, 2016 07:42 PM (zmZ2x)
I'm sorry you hate me for saying it.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 07:37 PM
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That was just plain rude and directed to someone who showed restraint in saying anything unkind to you. To bad you couldn't be a better person and show the same restraint in your comment.
You owe, eleven an apology.
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 07:42 PM (2x3L+)
I can see them trying but I don't expect that will work well with he counselor.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 07:42 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Insomniac
See this is the problem with too many candidates.
Posted by: Your RNCe Consultants LLC at January 26, 2016 07:42 PM (DL2i+)
None of the idiots---exception Cruz--on stage at the debate can do any thing about him even if he is not there but Trump is absolutely undermining his own 'brand'...the best thing he could do is show up and take a pass on Kelly's questions because she is 'biased'...that might work. That attacks HER--for good or bad.
NOT showing up leaves every question, real, imagined and lie-based, to control Trump from here on out.
He undermines --may be even loses--his 'Strongman' brand by not showing up.
Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at January 26, 2016 07:42 PM (fC+Kl)
I said, I'LL BE SKIPPING THE FOX DEBATE TOO!!
Hello?
Is this thing on?
Posted by: Mike Huckabee at January 26, 2016 07:42 PM (8ZskC)
Step back and think of who you're supporting.
He's like Jesse Ventura without the gravitas.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 07:42 PM (JIElb)
Trump is doing what Trump does....you throw a jab, he throws a hook. You take your pants off, he takes your underwear off. You want a straight missionary fuck, Trump does you in all holes and brings toys to boot.
Go Trump Go.....
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 26, 2016 07:43 PM (ej1L0)
F' Fox News. F' Megyn.
Urinalists are only propagandists.
Imagine the umpire or a referee sending out missives like that about one of the players.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 26, 2016 07:43 PM (gAane)
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 26, 2016 07:43 PM (t5zYU)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 07:43 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Hedley Lamarr at January 26, 2016 07:43 PM (Vwptn)
Posted by: Not a Cult Member at January 26, 2016 07:33 PM (Y8P5w)
Heh.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 07:43 PM (JIElb)
Absolutely correct. I wanted to see Romney actually call bullshit. "That's a Lie!!" something. Instead he was so surprised by her deal that he just whiffed on the opportunity.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 26, 2016 07:44 PM (iHjB5)
183 If The Donald was such a spectacular deal maker, he would have gotten all the campaigns to walk on the debate.
Actually he somewhat did this with the MSNBC debate that was set to run for 3 hours. Got Carson and Cruz on board to demand they shorten it or they would walk.
Posted by: other joe_mama at January 26, 2016 07:44 PM (13W9U)
Posted by: buzzion at January 26, 2016 07:34 PM (z/Ubi)
More.... we have posters on here who do not say ANYTHING except Anti Trump things...
Every thread is suddenly about Trump... every comment...
and every anti Trump comment then devolves into an Anti Trump SUPPORTER comment...
Posted by: Don Quixote at January 26, 2016 07:44 PM (f7rv6)
What Amish and others don't understand about most of Trump's supporters is that they are people who weren't gonna vote for any R this year.
So Trump isn't really taking away votes from Kasick, Bush, Rubio, etc. Believe me, many millions of R voters were going to sit out this year.
If you like the R's so much and like the GOP so much, they're all yours.
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 26, 2016 07:44 PM (FqI4R)
Posted by: buzzion at January 26, 2016 07:37 PM (z/Ubi)"
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I'm not sure of that. If I were Fox and Trump had stormed out with his marbles, I'd make the best of it. Be very professional, ask good probing questions, and make sure Cruz as the top-ranked person in attendance got plenty of attention. That's really their only move at this point to push back against Trump's boycott.
After all, if Cruz wins Iowa then it is a two-man race and the ratings bonanza continues. If Trump wins Iowa and sweeps NH, he'll be much more likely to steamroller to the nomination. Far less exciting...
Posted by: Jill v2 at January 26, 2016 07:44 PM (1+uyO)
Most People either love Him or hate Him... Doesn't seem to be any "middle" ground..... I'm sitting back and waiting to see what happens as none of the Candidates thrill Me... That's not to say I won't do everything in My power to see that Hillary! or whatever Dem. gets the nomination loses...
Posted by: donna at January 26, 2016 07:39 PM (/dSsq)
I don't love him. I don't hate him.
I think, of the current crop of lowlife scum running for President, my preference is still Cruz.
But Trump represents the next best chance to give the GOPe a good solid kick in the ass, even recognizing he's all too likely to make "deals" that I'm really, really not going to like.
If not Cruz, then Trump, if nothing else for the entertainment value that's been sorely lacking in the office of the President for the past seven years.
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 07:44 PM (s5o+q)
Posted by: Reggie 1971 at January 26, 2016 07:44 PM (wRRM9)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 26, 2016 07:44 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 26, 2016 07:44 PM (gAane)
And now here comes Trump who is punching back. And how do so-called conservatives react? By clutching their pearls at his boorish behavior. Yeah let's get Romney back on stage with Candy, that worked out so well last time. I hear Rachel Maddow is free that night as well.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 07:44 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: T at January 26, 2016 07:44 PM (NctcF)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 26, 2016 07:45 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: FOX at January 26, 2016 07:45 PM (k8tEg)
Posted by: freaked at January 26, 2016 07:45 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: donna at January 26, 2016 07:45 PM (/dSsq)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 07:37 PM (JIElb)
Nobody hates you. We're concerned about your mental health. Have you been taking your pills? No, there aren't radio transmitters in them. Honest!
Posted by: BurtTC at January 26, 2016 07:45 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: buzzion at January 26, 2016 07:34 PM (z/Ubi)
This is not some game or some minor office like Mayor of New York City. This is the big one and you're treating it like it's wrestling.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 07:45 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Hartmark at January 26, 2016 07:13 PM (zv81W)
The wages of sin is death
Posted by: Ghost of kari at January 26, 2016 07:45 PM (ubByS)
Posted by: Pee Wee Trump at January 26, 2016 07:46 PM (FkBIv)
I wanna know? its a given at this point he can't and wont take NO for an answer which it (A-Typical) for a New Yorker.
But we have been asking for this for a long time have we not? Why walk into a known trap after seeing what fox has stated they would do.
This truly is getting to be very enjoyable, i must confess.
But the other side of me must say he should go and get in the ring and make his point under fire..
Confused i am.
I'm leaning more to the side of NO show/stand on your own, just a little.
Posted by: Frodus at January 26, 2016 07:46 PM (Wg+qN)
I have to uh, reprimer the Jeep. Yeah, that's it, man.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 26, 2016 07:46 PM (LUgeY)
Posted by: Skip at January 26, 2016 07:46 PM (hk3Fb)
As I postulated earlier today...
Doing the debate will help him in the Primary...
NOT doing the debate, will help him in the General with those Faux News type folks...
The decision point then becomes... is he confident enough of winning the primary, to where he can be THINKING about the General Election?
This seems to answer that question.
Posted by: Don Quixote at January 26, 2016 07:46 PM (f7rv6)
Again, why do we have to do everything the way we've always done it?
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 07:41 PM (0LHZx)
Hire a former NFL ref to keep time or whatever. Someone totally outside of politics whose only job is to keep track of time.
That's what I've been saying since the Candy Crawley thing.
And yet here we are, back in the same unwinnable circle jerk with the media.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 26, 2016 07:46 PM (AkOaV)
And say, what control will we have over this new power?
Posted by: The Governor at January 26, 2016 07:46 PM (ODqY5)
Posted by: Ghost of kari at January 26, 2016 07:46 PM (ubByS)
Posted by: Hank at January 26, 2016 07:31 PM (BtG7l)
I am struggling with this notion. I am not a Trump guy because I cannot get past my gut-level read of him. And because I deal with people like him who are brilliant in sizing up opponents and exploiting weakness. But they tend to walk away when the easy kill is not in front of them for the taking. He loves the kill shot. I just don't see that as working in politics.
But Hillary? I might be able to get past my misgivings if she is the Democratic candidate. I can't believe this is where we are at as a nation.
Posted by: ObjectionSustained at January 26, 2016 07:46 PM (jrHwS)
Posted by: Drider at January 26, 2016 07:47 PM (6Xbsz)
Did no one care about the rumor I mentioned earlier?
That wad Carl Bernstein says he's hearing rumors about the GOP selecting Paul Ryan as the nom at the brokered (read: sabotaged and rigged to fail) convention.
I believe it. Or I believe, at least, they are considering it.
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 26, 2016 07:47 PM (FqI4R)
I have to uh, reprimer the Jeep. Yeah, that's it, man.
I haven't watched one and I don't intend to start now...
Posted by: donna at January 26, 2016 07:47 PM (/dSsq)
Competition.
Create another conservative network, or if an existing network were to have a conservative window against Fix, then watch the ratings fall.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 26, 2016 07:47 PM (CVRjO)
That would be pretty hilarious
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 07:47 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Frodus at January 26, 2016 07:48 PM (Wg+qN)
I'm not looking forward to the trouble it's going to cause if he's nominated, but fuck it.
Let it Burn.
Posted by: garrett at January 26, 2016 07:48 PM (b99VK)
Since i am still in Uniform i will shut the fuck up
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 07:48 PM (DUoqb)
Posted by: AD at January 26, 2016 07:48 PM (QWY55)
Posted by: tu3031 at January 26, 2016 07:48 PM (EDYaR)
Now Megyn, she's terrific. But she's not classy. And the debates will not be classy. So let FOX have their debate. This will hurt FOX more than it hurts Donald.
Posted by: Fritz at January 26, 2016 07:48 PM (BngQR)
Posted by: Referee Megyn Kelley at January 26, 2016 07:48 PM (gAane)
That'll show the Establishment.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at January 26, 2016 07:48 PM (k8tEg)
Competition.
Create another conservative network, or if an existing network were to have a conservative window against Fix, then watch the ratings fall.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 26, 2016 07:47 PM (CVRjO)
One America News---it already exists
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 07:49 PM (DUoqb)
Since i am still in Uniform i will shut the fuck up
OMG ... Haven't We suffered enough?
Posted by: donna at January 26, 2016 07:49 PM (/dSsq)
That doesn't entitle anyone to call me or anyone else names and some of them have been pretty nasty and not just a name or two but a whole screed about what douchebags and scum we are.
It's only YOUR and others opinion about who or what Trump is.
Ventura wasn't as popular as Trump is and he definitely is not as smart.
So what makes you think it's okay to talk trash personally about someone because you don't like who they support?
Maybe if I knew some of these people and they knew me, I could take as a joke but when I don't know these people, I take them seriously and especially from here and from places I used to listen to/read.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 07:49 PM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: jb at January 26, 2016 07:49 PM (TRB7J)
Posted by: Blano at January 26, 2016 07:49 PM (heN73)
and regulars getting snippy with each other.
::sniffs::
Smells like primary season to me.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 26, 2016 07:49 PM (AkOaV)
Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right. Here I am....... a hard core unapologist American Conservative Capitalist....... accept for Carly..
W/O someone to vote for.
My prediction: Hillery/ Sanders will be the dem ticket and the repubs split apart. B.O. wins big.
Reevvolution follows.
Posted by: danny at January 26, 2016 07:49 PM (ipWk5)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 26, 2016 07:44 PM (2cS/G)
Trump rallies the little man by making a once taboo subject open for discussion, a discussion that absolutely must be had, the people flock to him, and he decides he won't be cash cow for the big "republican" network, or pose for a "binders full of women" moment with their anchorette du jour.
Is that what you were trying to say? The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at January 26, 2016 07:49 PM (ubByS)
I, too, am a Kelly, Five, and Red Eye fan.
Beyond that, I appreciate the fact that Fox gives Lefties a major hemorrhoid.
Posted by: Randy Westerfeld at January 26, 2016 07:49 PM (zp6Kj)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 26, 2016 07:49 PM (qCMvj)
I'm not sure how this might affect Trump or the other candidates, but I do think there's a risk he hurts himself in Iowa by skipping a debate in Des Moines. Iowa voters seem to expect candidates to show up.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 26, 2016 07:50 PM (t5zYU)
OMG, can't stop laughing. I heart AmishDude!
Posted by: Joanne at January 26, 2016 07:50 PM (hgBpU)
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 26, 2016 07:50 PM (wYnyS)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 26, 2016 07:50 PM (oVJmc)
That would be pretty hilarious
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 07:47 PM (39g3+)
BAH GAWD THAT'S TRUMP'S MUSIC
Posted by: Ghost of kari at January 26, 2016 07:50 PM (ubByS)
You owe, eleven an apology.
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 07:42 PM (2x3L+)
Do you hold me to higher standards than a man who is running for the presidency?
Am I supposed to be better than Donald Trump?
If so, I'll apologize.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 07:50 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: donna at January 26, 2016 07:50 PM (/dSsq)
Competition.
Create another conservative network, or if an existing network were to have a conservative window against Fix, then watch the ratings fall.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 26, 2016 07:47 PM (CVRjO)
We have several, actually. How you gonna get Comcast to put them on cable?
That's got to happen in order to make any new cable channel successful. That's why Beck was desperate to buy Current.
I'm curious to see what happens with the Al Jazeera America slot on cable systems. Two thousand quatloos on some left-liberal-"progressive" piece of crap popping up in its place. Because you can't have too many of those, after all.
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 07:50 PM (s5o+q)
Hah! If they had the presidency they'd be out of excuses for failure.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 26, 2016 07:51 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: cm9000 at January 26, 2016 07:51 PM (2TUVm)
It's official. http://www.abevigoda.com/
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 07:51 PM (rwI+c)
That missive is something else.
I can't wrap my head around a professional organization writing something like that and expect to still say in business.
Good riddance NRO and Fox.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 26, 2016 07:51 PM (gAane)
Yeah me either. Its boring to me, I have yet to have ever watched even an hour of a debate.
Why do they have to be on any network? You can have a debate online with nobody moderators, who actually, you know, moderate, and don't inject themselves into the debate.
Yeah, they're still back in the 20th century. This election was an ideal chance for a candidate or the candidates of one party to lead the way and change the entire game up. They failed.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 07:51 PM (39g3+)
supporters the same way that Trump supporters treat people who don't
like Trump.
yeah no kidding.
they get to be as vile as they wish, but don't you dare violate their pro-Trump safe space!!!!!
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 07:51 PM (lVU49)
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 26, 2016 07:51 PM (wYnyS)
challenge the Internet Troll and amateur politician, we should go back
to CNN and MSNBC?
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 07:39 PM (JIElb)
You really don't seem to have a handle on this logic thing.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 26, 2016 07:51 PM (TOk1P)
Beyond that, I appreciate the fact that Fox gives Lefties a major hemorrhoid.
Posted by: Randy Westerfeld at January 26, 2016 07:49 PM (zp6Kj)
I was down to Redeye, until they pulled it from the Roku lineup.
Now, it's just whatever clips I feel like watching the next day on the right scoop.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 26, 2016 07:51 PM (qCMvj)
Might I suggest she conduct the interview wearing leather and chains? Animate with a riding crop?
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at January 26, 2016 07:51 PM (tLHBO)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 26, 2016 07:51 PM (4ErVI)
And admittedly, if it would destroy the GOPe and not screw the country up, I'd vote Democrat to do it.
So yeah, keep those angry epithets coming. I'm starting to like being called an asshole by the likes of those who do.
Helps me sort out who's serious and I should pay attention to and who to not.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 07:52 PM (Xo1Rt)
Never miss Red Eye, though.
Posted by: garrett at January 26, 2016 07:52 PM (b99VK)
I really love and respect you, but...
Ugh. Enough with this guy. Let him fizzle out. Please.
Posted by: Chi at January 26, 2016 07:52 PM (I7I0v)
My house is available. I have Capri Sun and a surprising number of frozen waffles.
Posted by: Citizen Cake at January 26, 2016 07:52 PM (ppaKI)
Trump needs to be on at the same time, talking down about these clowns. ha
Posted by: Illiniwek at January 26, 2016 07:52 PM (5Gpe2)
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 07:52 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Skip at January 26, 2016 07:52 PM (hk3Fb)
As a Trumpbot, I approve, and I'll be watching to see what alternative he puts on.
Posted by: despair at January 26, 2016 07:52 PM (VrdxH)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 26, 2016 07:53 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: Hartmark at January 26, 2016 07:53 PM (zv81W)
Posted by: wth at January 26, 2016 07:53 PM (HgMAr)
I think that was in the cards already. Especially if Trump wins the Nom and the Presidency. Fox will have to kick her to the curb or they'll never have an interview or attend a Presidential press conference again.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 07:53 PM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: donna at January 26, 2016 07:53 PM (/dSsq)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 26, 2016 07:53 PM (iQIUe)
Competition.
Create another conservative network, or if an existing network were to have a conservative window against Fix, then watch the ratings fall.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 26, 2016 07:47 PM (CVRjO)
____
Another?
Try create A conservative network.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 07:53 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 26, 2016 07:51 PM (wYnyS)
Newt did something like that with Cain in '12. It was an actual debate between the two and not a Q&A with idjit reporters.
Posted by: The Moustashiod Hat at January 26, 2016 07:53 PM (vBeA5)
Well ... it does allow Cruz an open playing field to pump his numbers without directly crossing Trump.
I DO NOT believe Trump and Cruz are coordinating their shit. But I DO believe the GOPe ... including FOX ... is driving them together quite by accident.
Posted by: Irony at January 26, 2016 07:53 PM (qmMG2)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 26, 2016 07:53 PM (2cS/G)
That would be pretty hilarious
Hector Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho.
*mic drop*
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 26, 2016 07:53 PM (LUgeY)
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 07:53 PM (zOTsN)
If Trump wins, that is NOT a GOP win.
If Cruz wins, same thing. They hate him.
So, I am thinking the GOP isn't going to win no matter what.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 26, 2016 07:53 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at January 26, 2016 07:54 PM (COpZ4)
But when his spokesman jumped the complete shark - by saying " His word is his bond" . . .
That just completely obliterated any chance he had of spinning his decision as Trump winning.
The focus now has to shift to - is Trump's word his bond ???
Big mistake by the Trump camp.
Posted by: builderD at January 26, 2016 07:54 PM (sxLki)
Not true (although somewhat true). There are a number who like the show and some like ace who want to punish "The GOP" (registered trademark).
Trump serves no purpose except to validate the Obama presidency.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 07:54 PM (JIElb)
That wad Carl Bernstein says he's hearing rumors about the GOP
selecting Paul Ryan as the nom at the brokered (read: sabotaged and
rigged to fail) convention.
---
None of their plans matter if Trump goes into the convention with the majority of delegates. Polling at 40% today, he doesn't need all that many undecideds or dropout voters to come his way or stay home because their guy isn't around anymore.
Posted by: Methos at January 26, 2016 07:54 PM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 26, 2016 07:51 PM (8ZskC)
If they had the presidency, they'd claim that they couldn't do anything substantive until they had held a super-majority Congress and the Presidency for at least eight consecutive years!
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 26, 2016 07:54 PM (wYnyS)
He said he'll do something to raise money for Wounded Warriors. He didn't say what they might be.
Posted by: despair at January 26, 2016 07:54 PM (VrdxH)
Am I supposed to be better than Donald Trump?
If so, I'll apologize.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 07:50 PM
---
Yeah you're supposed to better than Donald Trump because you think you are. That's the standard you hold yourself to.
So, yeah, you should apologize.
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 07:54 PM (2x3L+)
I say give Rand or Carley Trumps seat at the redefined conservative table. Consider it a gift.
Posted by: Drider at January 26, 2016 07:55 PM (6Xbsz)
Trump should set up a theater like Mystery Science Theatre 3000
Posted by: Illiniwek
We did that here during the last GOP debate. Pretty fun tossing in random MST3K comments:
"Chief!"
"McCloud."
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 26, 2016 07:55 PM (kdS6q)
Um, he's at 40%, I don't see him 'fizzling out' anytime soon.
It's not like he's a fly by nighter. You all may believe that but that doesn't make it true.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 07:55 PM (Xo1Rt)
A vote for Rubio rewards the corruptocrats in the GOP
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 07:55 PM (zOTsN)
Trump should set up a theater like Mystery Science Theatre 3000 ...
except they could show the debate, ... so just sit with a couple smart
supporters and talk about (and goof on) the guys doing the debate. He
could correct every answer, belittle them as he can do, and say what he
would do. He'd have control ... and ratings. Newsmax would have him on
... I get that on DISH, not sure if everyone does.
Trump needs to be on at the same time, talking down about these clowns. ha
Posted by: Illiniwek at January 26, 2016 07:52 PM (5Gpe2)
That would be a helluva lot of fun.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 26, 2016 07:55 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: freaked at January 26, 2016 07:55 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: cvb at January 26, 2016 07:55 PM (b1lhY)
Should have been a steamroll, but the party is just dumb and run by out of touch old people. I am old myself so I'm not opposed to the old but there's old in age and old in attitude.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 07:55 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 07:55 PM (DUoqb)
If not Cruz, then Trump, if nothing else for the entertainment value that's been sorely lacking in the office of the President for the past seven years.
See? Wrestling.
This is idiocracy. This is why the Founders were wary of democracy.
This attitude right here.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 07:55 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: jewells45 at January 26, 2016 07:55 PM (CNHr1)
There was also a snowstorm on the east coast. Do try to keep up.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 26, 2016 07:55 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Rgallegos at January 26, 2016 07:55 PM (RgkJ6)
I think it makes Him look pissy...
Posted by: donna at January 26, 2016 07:56 PM (/dSsq)
Journalists are some of the most dimwitted fuck-nozzles in society, but they pretend to be an untouchable priestly class beyond reproach. Fuck 'em.
Trump is calling their bluff. Megyn Kelly is the worst. A feminist quisling in conservative clothing, wanting to elevate herself to king maker. What a putz.
Pride goeth before the fall, Megyn. Bow out for the sake of the greater good (Isn't that what your 4th estate always demands?) Maybe Glamour Shots is running a big special during the debate, go check it out - then maybe Trump will let FOX have the big ratings.
Posted by: FredB at January 26, 2016 07:56 PM (QrVbp)
Posted by: JumboShrimp at January 26, 2016 07:56 PM (DGIjM)
Because those networks would treat him fairly.
Posted by: jwb7605 at January 26, 2016 07:56 PM (DofIg)
Having said that, does anyone think these debates make a bit of a difference?
We have a couple of trolls that say they support Rubio and a few who mean it.
Otherwise, who cares?
I was the good soldier and voted for Mitt and McCain.
Never again. I know I'm not alone in that thinking.
Posted by: weirdflunkyonatablet at January 26, 2016 07:56 PM (IRhwt)
Just the opposite. He's running away.
He retreats!
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 07:56 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 07:45 PM (JIElb)
You're the one that feels the need to insult everyone that doesn't feel like Trump is the designated villain that everyone must hate.
Posted by: buzzion at January 26, 2016 07:56 PM (z/Ubi)
supporters are the 'other' we've taken the other side like we're
Democrats or something.
Yes there is a little bit of that.
For all this time, I've thought that there were a lot of patriotic constitutionalist conservatives who believed in limited government and free markets and robust defense and individual liberty, and now I'm learning that the number of actual constitutionalist conservatives are quite small, and a very large number of those people whom I thought were "constitutionalist conservatives" are really just longing for their own wanna-be-dictator-daddy-figure to run things.
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 07:56 PM (lVU49)
And reading all of these excuses people are making for him makes me even more sure that Trump is this years "obama" candidate, he can do no wrong with his supporters, as long as they feel like he's thumbing the nose at the perceived enemy.
Posted by: spypeach at January 26, 2016 07:56 PM (nyYhO)
except they could show the debate, ... so just sit with a couple smart
supporters and talk about (and goof on) the guys doing the debate. He
could correct every answer, belittle them as he can do, and say what he
would do. He'd have control ... and ratings. Newsmax would have him on
... I get that on DISH, not sure if everyone does.
Trump needs to be on at the same time, talking down about these clowns. ha
Posted by: Illiniwek at January 26, 2016 07:52 PM (5Gpe2)
That would be a helluva lot of fun.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 26, 2016 07:55 PM (4ErVI)
I nominate Glenn Beck as Gypsy. Or TV's Frank. Can't decide.
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 07:57 PM (s5o+q)
Posted by: jewells45 at January 26, 2016 07:55 PM
You know. I've thought the same thing...
Posted by: donna at January 26, 2016 07:57 PM (/dSsq)
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 07:57 PM (0LHZx)
None of their plans matter if Trump goes into the convention with the majority of delegates.
I believe that state party delegates are notorious goofballs and shitheads, party sycophants being rewarded for their sycophancy.
They can, I believe, revolt against Trump.
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 26, 2016 07:57 PM (FqI4R)
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 07:57 PM (zOTsN)
The deuce you say.
Posted by: The MSM at January 26, 2016 07:57 PM (sdi6R)
Go watch Rachel Maddow Ace! You fucking dip shit.
Posted by: cab at January 26, 2016 07:55 PM (b1lhY)
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"Dipshit" is one word, dipshit.
Posted by: SMFH at January 26, 2016 07:57 PM (TKKli)
Aw. Poor AmishDude. They're so abused and misunderstood.
They only mean the best for us don't ya know.
Yeah, next time wait for me or anyone else to ask what you think about our decisions.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 07:57 PM (Xo1Rt)
I've asked that they supply a new government agency, the, uh, Directory of Instruments, Chemistry, and Kinetic Science, to uh, help us resolve this, uh, seemingly intractable problem.
Of, uh, whether Amishdude has a penis.
There are those who say he can't possibly, uh, have one. That the data says, uh, otherwise.
But that's not who we are. That's not what we're, uh, about. I believe that Amishdude does have a penis, and that DICKS will, uh, get to the bottom of this. And show the American people, uh, once and for all. That together, we can be the change we want to see in the, uh, world. And that this guy totally deserves to be, uh, heard.
*thunderous communist applause*
Posted by: President Barack Hussein Obama at January 26, 2016 07:57 PM (ubByS)
Posted by: wGraves at January 26, 2016 07:58 PM (ibIFK)
*Raises paw*
What he said.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 26, 2016 07:58 PM (ptqRm)
Hi Shrimpy! long time no see, how are things?
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 07:58 PM (lVU49)
Am enjoying the folks ripping Trump--same folks have spent the last 7.5 years whining about how fucking petrified the GOPe is of the press.
You say "pissy." I say "not afraid like the other pansies."
Posted by: anti-socialist at January 26, 2016 07:58 PM (o9lmn)
So, yeah, you should apologize.
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 07:54 PM (2x3L+)
Pathetic response.
Once again: Should I behave better than United States Presidential Candidate Donald Trump?
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 07:58 PM (JIElb)
Not sure trump and Cruz aren't working somewhat together to block dondi.
Posted by: simplemind at January 26, 2016 07:58 PM (BTnAK)
Just the opposite. He's running away.
He retreats!
He punches back by retreating. Is there nothing that man cannot do?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 26, 2016 07:58 PM (8ZskC)
Am I supposed to be better than Donald Trump?
If so, I'll apologize.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 07:50 PM (JIElb)
Wow... so you constantly insult people for their support of someone who YOU say, ACTS JUST LIKE YOU....
That the actions you rant about.... about how much of an ASSHOLE he is... and anyone who supports him... are OK for YOU to do, because the BAD GUY DOES IT???
/facepalm
Posted by: Don Quixote at January 26, 2016 07:58 PM (f7rv6)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 26, 2016 07:53 PM (2cS/G)
Of course, I'm angry at those who fall for the obvious con.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 07:58 PM (JIElb)
Trump is showing all the stability of a Ross Perot campaign.
Posted by: Dobby at January 26, 2016 07:58 PM (b1uWI)
This is idiocracy. This is why the Founders were wary of democracy.
This attitude right here.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 07:55 PM (JIElb)
So do you know Trump? How did you get your info on the guy on how horrible he is? Is it from the same MSM that we routinely crap on? I get that you don't like the Cult of Personality that he's built around himself like Obama or Clinton or Reagan built. But is it a stance on an issue? His personality?
Posted by: other joe_mama at January 26, 2016 07:59 PM (13W9U)
Posted by: Josephistan at January 26, 2016 07:59 PM (7qAYi)
Yeah it's something in the air I suppose.
Posted by: Drider at January 26, 2016 07:59 PM (6Xbsz)
If you want to be a news channel, you don't act like a fucking political campaign.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 26, 2016 07:29 PM (AkOaV)
So, a news channel isn't supposed to cover that the Republican frontrunner is threatening to skip the debate? Again, Trump threw the first punch here. And that's fine, but it says a lot about how little you think of him that you have to "white knight" your dainty damsel.
Posted by: Boone at January 26, 2016 07:59 PM (vq6QR)
Obama's skin sans melanin = Trump's.
I mean, really. If Trump can't handle Megyn Kelly and the press - especially after the fiasco of the first debate - then he's either a chicken shit or he's playing a stupid game.
I'm really fed up with Trump/.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 07:59 PM (zLP1L)
If not Cruz, then Trump, if nothing else for the entertainment value that's been sorely lacking in the office of the President for the past seven years.
See? Wrestling.
This is idiocracy. This is why the Founders were wary of democracy.
This attitude right here.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 07:55 PM (JIElb)
Jefferson said there should be a full on revolution every four (4) years to prevent corruption
HE WAS RIGHT
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 07:59 PM (zOTsN)
Trump 2016!!!!
There is no substitute.
------
No Doubt!
I've been waiting for a candidate like Trump forever. Finally, a guy who tells the undisclosed player - the media - to shove it!
Yes!
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 26, 2016 07:59 PM (gAane)
Posted by: harumph at January 26, 2016 07:59 PM (IFewf)
I really love and respect you, but...
Ugh. Enough with this guy. Let him fizzle out. Please.
Posted by: Chi at January 26, 2016 07:52 PM (I7I0v)
Do you really think your fellow countrymen are that stupid and easily led that if ace, other blogs, and FNC pretended Trump didn't exist, they'd forget about him and move on?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 26, 2016 07:59 PM (AkOaV)
I'm really fed up with Trump
This pisses Me off too...
Posted by: donna at January 26, 2016 07:59 PM (/dSsq)
last I heard we liked it when someone told the media to pound sand
guess not
***
I do and don't think it will hurt Trump. Kelly was good on the morning show but when she got the night spot ... it's all Kelly Star. She is just another pretty face. When she says she is tough on people on her show it's like O'Reilly having TFG on rubbing his knee. Kelly loved the attention after the crap exchange. I wish the damn debates would end. Nothing gets said that amounts to anything.
So, I am glad he is not attending. I don't think it paints him as a pussy either ... more like finally someone said FU. I hope if he wins the White House ... the first thing he says at the podium is I WON!!!
/Iowa and New Hampshire cannot get over with soon enough.
Posted by: wasone at January 26, 2016 07:59 PM (VbTye)
So, what's are the Cruz++ types going to do after Tedward has the stage all to himself, and then still implodes in Iowa? Cause for Cruz, it's win big or go home.
Who ya gonna blame? The guy who wasn't there?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 26, 2016 07:59 PM (kdS6q)
Yeah, I'm surprised at the response by a lot of people here. This seems kind of no brainer: sick of being kicked in the pills by debate moderators? Blow them off. Now its wrong?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 08:00 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 08:00 PM (lVU49)
Now I have Trump. He's my dog turd and the GOPe now has to eat up and like it and say "More Please?".
Go Trump! Roll all over that GOPe ass......
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 26, 2016 08:00 PM (ej1L0)
http://millercenter.org/president/biography/reagan-campaigns-and-elections
To be clear, I'm less interested in trying to guess how this affects Trump's support than I am with holding the RNC's feet to the fire on how the debates are run. But I do think Iowans like to see their candidates in person and that's why Rubio is doing so poorly there. So I suppose this move could be the difference maker in a first vs second place finish.
Or not. IDK.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 26, 2016 08:00 PM (t5zYU)
Posted by: Methos at January 26, 2016 08:00 PM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: guy who always yells for the Hall Monitor at January 26, 2016 08:00 PM (HgMAr)
Trump is showing all the stability of a Ross Perot campaign.
Posted by: Dobby at January 26, 2016 07:58 PM (b1uWI)
Unfortunately, unlike Perot, he's actually leading in the polls.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 08:00 PM (zLP1L)
Posted by: Chi at January 26, 2016 07:52 PM (I7I0v)
Dude go look at a poll. And then brace yourself for the next 10 months of 2016
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 08:00 PM (ubByS)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 26, 2016 08:00 PM (T78UI)
More or less.
He really doesn't like being shown up by a girl.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:00 PM (JIElb)
Yes there is a little bit of that.
For all this time, I've thought that there were a lot of patriotic constitutionalist conservatives who believed in limited government and free markets and robust defense and individual liberty, and now I'm learning that the number of actual constitutionalist conservatives are quite small, and a very large number of those people whom I thought were "constitutionalist conservatives" are really just longing for their own wanna-be-dictator-daddy-figure to run things.
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 07:56 PM (lVU49)
Not quite. It's about nationalism and borders first and foremost. Without that you don't have a country end of story.
Posted by: other joe_mama at January 26, 2016 08:00 PM (13W9U)
I mean, there are not a lot of persuadable people left.
But, if you f up right now, you'll lose.
We are in the middle of the marathon--you're not going to win but you can sure lose.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 26, 2016 08:00 PM (fQ/0p)
Posted by: Burn It Down at January 26, 2016 08:00 PM (5DJW4)
Posted by: Dobby at January 26, 2016 07:58 PM
I'll worry when he starts talking about Cuban special forces trying to disrupt his daughter's wedding.
Posted by: Josephistan at January 26, 2016 08:01 PM (7qAYi)
for President in the guise of Hector Mountain Dew Camacho that he would
win a 50 state landslide?
Posted by: Josephistan at January 26, 2016 07:59 PM (7qAYi)<<<
BEARGLOVE!!!!!!
Posted by: Terry Crews 2016! at January 26, 2016 08:01 PM (H9MG5)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 26, 2016 08:01 PM (MNgU2)
So, yeah, you should apologize.
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 07:54 PM (2x3L+)
Pathetic response.
Once again: Should I behave better than United States Presidential Candidate Donald Trump?
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 07:58 PM (JIElb)
http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=358697
Posted by: buzzion at January 26, 2016 08:01 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 26, 2016 08:01 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: Boone at January 26, 2016 07:59 PM (vq6QR)
"covering" the story: "Today Donald Trump annouced he will not be attending the debate"
What Faux Noise did: "We learned from a secret back channel that the Ayatollah and Putin both intend to treat Donald Trump unfairly when they meet with him if he becomes president a nefarious source tells us that Trump has his own secret plan to replace the Cabinet with his Twitter followers to see if he should even go to those meetings."
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 08:01 PM (0LHZx)
Dude, if you're supporting a liberal Bloombergesque charlatan who's out-and-out pandering to white-power assholes and low information voters, own it.
Posted by: Friedrich Drumpf at January 26, 2016 08:01 PM (tAWXR)
Posted by: wth at January 26, 2016 08:01 PM (HgMAr)
Posted by: Boone at January 26, 2016 07:59 PM (vq6QR)
A news channel is supposed to report the news, not insert themselves in the political debate by releasing snarky, juvenile, political campaignesque press releases mocking a candidate they clearly don't like.
They want to be "fair and balanced" and report the news in a more fair way then the liberal media? This is the opposite of that.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 26, 2016 08:01 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 08:01 PM (rwI+c)
No, actually. We've asked candidates not to accept false premises and not to allow the moderators to dominate the debate.
We haven't asked them to run away.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:02 PM (JIElb)
We are screwed so y'all might as well enjoy the ride.
Posted by: simplemind at January 26, 2016 08:02 PM (BTnAK)
HE WAS RIGHT
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 07:59 PM (zOTsN)
OK Line up behind ThunderB in height order from short to tall....ON THE DOUBLE
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 08:02 PM (DUoqb)
Apologize to LL or bear witness to the firepower of this armed and fully operational smack talking machine.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 08:02 PM (ubByS)
Trump should pay Duane ,'The Rock', Johnson to introduce him ...'Can you smell what The Donald is cooking'.?!
YES, there are YUGE numbers of males who would vote for The Donald based only on this act.
Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at January 26, 2016 08:02 PM (fC+Kl)
Posted by: cm9000 at January 26, 2016 08:02 PM (2TUVm)
number who like the show and some like ace who want to punish "The GOP"
(registered trademark).
Trump serves no purpose except to validate the Obama presidency.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 07:54 PM (JIElb)
Seriously dude, you're the one who comes here as the self-proclaimed math genius, and there's no credibility to this type of statement. It lacks any coherent logic whatsoever.
You're either trolling the blog or something has gone off the rails for you.
Which one is it?
Posted by: BurtTC at January 26, 2016 08:02 PM (TOk1P)
Trump is not for single payer, as anyone who has watched any of his speeches would know.
Posted by: despair at January 26, 2016 08:02 PM (VrdxH)
What Faux Noise did: "We learned from a secret back channel that the Ayatollah and Putin both intend to treat Donald Trump unfairly when they meet with him if he becomes president a nefarious source tells us that Trump has his own secret plan to replace the Cabinet with his Twitter followers to see if he should even go to those meetings."
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 08:01 PM (0LHZx)
Right.
Or, "Donald Trump has decided not to appear at the FNC debate. The invite is, of course, still open to all Republican candidates who meet (whatever criteria)." and move on.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 26, 2016 08:02 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 08:02 PM (zOTsN)
You need to chill out.
Also Notre Dame sucks.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at January 26, 2016 07:46 PM (ubByS)
I am not going to sit by while one of the 4 Democrat candiates has a chance of winning because a bunch of shortsighted "conservatives" want a good show.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:03 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 08:03 PM (DUoqb)
Apologize to one through ten while you're at it!
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 26, 2016 08:03 PM (FqI4R)
Those who think we can vote ourselves out of this mess are shocked at the voting predictions.
The rest of us are just looking forward to the big show at the end.
That's it. You can boil most of this shit down to that.
Posted by: Irony at January 26, 2016 08:03 PM (qmMG2)
The best election ever. Trump 2016!!!! There is no substitute.
Posted by: Drider
Kasich 2016: The Prince of Light and Hope
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 26, 2016 08:03 PM (kdS6q)
That would be pretty hilarious
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 07:47 PM (39g3+)
Wrestling
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:03 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Lady in Black...Death to the Man Bun! at January 26, 2016 08:03 PM (pVkEV)
Posted by: other joe_mama at January 26, 2016 08:00 PM (13W9U)
Nailed it. The Constitution will survive 4 years of Trump if it survived 8 years of Obama. The USA will not long survive as a nation if we don't get the border under control and put an end to the illegal immigrant problem.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at January 26, 2016 08:03 PM (HalrA)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 08:00 PM (lVU49)
____
You have so little self awareness it's amazing. Mind blowing.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 08:03 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 26, 2016 08:03 PM (4ErVI)
More or less.
He really doesn't like being shown up by a girl.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:00 PM (JIElb)
Awwww.... shit tards...
How... predictable...
Posted by: Don Quixote at January 26, 2016 08:03 PM (f7rv6)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 08:02 PM (DUoqb)
with this crowd? We should line up based on waist size.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 26, 2016 08:03 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Dobby at January 26, 2016 08:04 PM (b1uWI)
Since i am still in Uniform i will shut the fuck up
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 07:48 PM (DUoqb)
Trump would do it in a heartbeat.
He'd call it the classy thing to do.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:04 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
------------------
Hairy,
You're on the same team as M&P and a bunch of people that were in high School less than a decade ago. Some of them here.
Think about that for a minute...
Posted by: Chi at January 26, 2016 08:04 PM (I7I0v)
Posted by: Drider at January 26, 2016 08:04 PM (6Xbsz)
So, what's are the Cruz++ types going to do after Tedward has the stage all to himself, and then still implodes in Iowa?
I agree that this election is a real eye opener, not about the candidates or the country but about each other.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 08:04 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:03 PM (JIElb)
Lighten up, Francis. He's kidding.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 26, 2016 08:04 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: Burn It Down at January 26, 2016 08:00 PM (5DJW4)
Here's the deal, champ. Trump's angry man routine was all well and good and actually appreciated. I understand being angry. We're all angry. The question is, who is Donald Trump and what is he going to do, in detail and specifics, about the state of the nation?
His past history is highly questionable, as are some of his recent positions.
The issue isn't anger. It's answers. And Mr. Trump's loud vulgarian schtick is played out and has been for about a month already.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 08:04 PM (zLP1L)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 26, 2016 08:04 PM (FkBIv)
C'mon Chi, sing it.
Trump, Trump
Trump, Trump
Lovely Trump, Wonderful Trump
Posted by: That point in the thread where someone does Monty Python at January 26, 2016 08:04 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 26, 2016 08:04 PM (oVJmc)
That may be true for some people, but it's a really unfair characterization of Trump supporters overall. I am mildly a Trump supporter (more Cruz), but there is NO ONE in either party who is going to be a constitutionalist. No one who will limit government. No one who will limit executive orders or the vast quasi-legislative powers of departments like the EPA. No one who will dissolve the TSA or end Common Core or stop Echelon or allow me to buy whatever lightbulb I want.
I do not have a government. I do not have representation. I have no illusions about the kind of leader Trump would be. The only thing I have is the perverse delight that he will be screwing over the Republicans and the Democrats the same way he's screwing over me.
Posted by: sunny-dee at January 26, 2016 08:04 PM (QAOZh)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 07:49 PM (Xo1Rt)
Why not? That's EXACTLY what your hero Donald J. Trump does.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:04 PM (JIElb)
This pandering and butt-kissing to win over one's opponents has to stop.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 26, 2016 08:04 PM (8ZskC)
and neither will anyone else
ratings
look for Fox to apologize for the snarky bullshit
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 08:04 PM (zOTsN)
Those who think we can vote ourselves out of this mess are shocked at the voting predictions.
The rest of us are just looking forward to the big show at the end.
That's it. You can boil most of this shit down to that.
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Pretty much.
Posted by: SMFH at January 26, 2016 08:04 PM (TKKli)
Posted by: Josephistan at January 26, 2016 08:05 PM (7qAYi)
It's a new paradigm out there. Make sure you give the Hawaiian peace sign to the dinosaur media as you depart.
They'll figure it out eventually. Probably too late. Not my problem. Their problem.
Posted by: ugg boots at January 26, 2016 08:05 PM (fbovC)
All I want is for the GOP to die.
Who ends up in the White House is a secondary concern, at this point.
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 26, 2016 08:05 PM (FqI4R)
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Trump is the perfect candidate for the classic misanthrope in that he pisses off EVERYONE, including morally preening, self righteous petulant limpy dicked fuckfaces who think they are the ONLY. TRUE. Conservatives.
Posted by: Burn It Down at January 26, 2016 08:05 PM (5DJW4)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:03 PM (JIElb)
Yeah.... instead I'll insult everyone's intelligence who does not agree with me....
Yeah.... that's the winning ticket!!! That will win them over!
/facepalm
Posted by: Don Quixote at January 26, 2016 08:05 PM (f7rv6)
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 08:05 PM (NPofj)
More or less.
He really doesn't like being shown up by a girl.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:00 PM (JIElb)
____
You forgot to call us nazis. You lose GOPe points.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 08:05 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:03 PM (JIElb)
As a not-enemy, might I gently point out to you that you may not be helping your cause as much as you may think you are?
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 08:05 PM (s5o+q)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:03 PM (JIElb)
There are three dem candidates, clown
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 08:06 PM (ubByS)
Exactly. That's what's so hilarious about the Trump-humpers.
Hannity, O'Reilly and a lot of the other hosts are still fawning over this windbag.
One person steps out of line and because Do'auld blasts her on twitter, we all have to break out the brickbats.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:06 PM (JIElb)
All I want is for the GOP to die.
Who ends up in the White House is a secondary concern, at this point.
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 26, 2016 08:05 PM (FqI4R)
The GOP more or less was part of the Democrats, and I guess they will be officially absorbed into it.
More breathing room for us. A good thing.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 08:06 PM (zLP1L)
In retrospect, it was silly of me to worry.
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at January 26, 2016 08:06 PM (ixHcm)
So much hair-pulling.
Trump is crass.
Trump is dumb.
Here, have a cookie.
Posted by: eman at January 26, 2016 08:07 PM (mR7Es)
"Obama's skin sans melanin = Megyn's."
Where does she get off? She's suppose to be an unbiased moderator, not a Candy Crowley participant.
So you like unprofessional news organizations rigging the debates? Cuz, that's what they are rigged.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 26, 2016 08:07 PM (gAane)
I will actually watch this one to see if Cruz gets more time, or if they schlong him in favor of Marco.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 08:07 PM (rwI+c)
The time of discord is past.
The time of reconciliation is at hand.
Repent and be saved.
Just eat this cup of pudding and repeat after me.
Trump Trump Trump Trump
Trump Trump Trump Trump
Trumptrumptrumptrumptrumptrumptrumptrump
I'm down with Making American Great Again
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 08:07 PM (ubByS)
Posted by: HH at January 26, 2016 08:07 PM (JwLCI)
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at January 26, 2016 08:03 PM (HalrA)
I am not at all certain that the Constitution has in fact survived the Obama Presidency.
I fear it may have been fatally wounded, in fact.
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 08:07 PM (s5o+q)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 08:08 PM (rwI+c)
You're the one that feels the need to insult everyone that doesn't feel like Trump is the designated villain that everyone must hate.
Posted by: buzzion at January 26, 2016 07:56 PM (z/Ubi)
No, I'm the one who is turning the hose on you.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:08 PM (JIElb)
Once again: Should I behave better than United States Presidential Candidate Donald Trump?
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No, that's you. You're the one running around on threads calling anyone who would possibly vote for Trump stupid and worse than that and seem to know that Trump is an idiot along with anyone willing to vote for him. I have never insulted you.
And why wouldn't you want to behave better than the United States Presidential Candidate Donald Trump? You have such high standards that you hold everyone else to. Why not hold yourself to the same high standards?
If any cob or Ace was paying attention, you should be banned for all the shit and accusations that you throw at people.
You really should stop and shut your damn mouth.
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 08:08 PM (2x3L+)
for President in the guise of Hector Mountain Dew Camacho that he would
win a 50 state landslide?
He'd have my vote.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 08:08 PM (39g3+)
JJ ... my first cat is Cruz.
But failing that ... you trust Rubio ? I don't. Seems to me like a Hispanic W. No thanks.
The worst Trump can do it Let It Burn.
Posted by: Irony at January 26, 2016 08:08 PM (qmMG2)
When he played for the NFL, he painted portraits of his teammates to supplement his income.
In 2014 he released his autobiography, Manhood: How To Be A Better Man Or Just Live With One
Posted by: SMFH at January 26, 2016 08:08 PM (TKKli)
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at January 26, 2016 08:08 PM (nFdGS)
lot of patriotic constitutionalist conservatives who believed in limited
government and free markets and robust defense and individual liberty,
and now I'm learning that the number of actual constitutionalist
conservatives are quite small, and a very large number of those people
whom I thought were "constitutionalist conservatives" are really just
longing for their own wanna-be-dictator-daddy-figure to run things.
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 07:56 PM (lVU49)
Tough talk from a paper citizen who doesn't believe the words of the Declaration of Independence.
Posted by: Methos at January 26, 2016 08:08 PM (ZbV+0)
--
So what you mean is that a real conservative can't win the general. An in-your-face bombast who takes the MFM to the woodshed can't win the general. And the squishy moderate Romney/McCain/Bush/Kasich candidate can no longer win. Summation = we're never winning another election.
Posted by: Lady in Black...Death to the Man Bun! at January 26, 2016 08:08 PM (pVkEV)
Think about that for a minute...
Posted by: Chi at January 26, 2016 08:04 PM (I7I0v)
....so... yes?
Also, I'm not really following. I'm not on a team. No candidate has received the coveted Harry Paratestes endorsement.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 26, 2016 08:08 PM (AkOaV)
Are you as upset about McConnell's lawyer setting up a pac to donate money to Cruz while claiming Cruz is crazy and wrong?
? Answer that oh great wise one with all the knowledge of the future and the wisdom of the past. (or so you act like)
cause that's a fact not some daydream you and others have had to explain Trump's popularity.
That's right, I'm saying Cruz is the skunk in the wood pile. the one being used to distract the 'conservative' thinker crowd who will then bow out before too many primaries and give his delegate to Rubio. He'll bow out regretfully and blame Trump and others for stirring up the questions about his citizenship (mighty handy excuse there. Better than any that Trump could come up with to give up to Hillary)
And btw, the delegates are not dedicated to the winner of their primary. They can change who they cast their vote for at any time. There are rules about it but I'm sure the GOPe has that covered. So watch the convention and weep all you concerned 'conservatives' and when the GOPe manages to shaft you again and Trump too, then maybe you'll ask our forgiveness.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 08:08 PM (Xo1Rt)
there will be much renting of clothes and beating of the breasts when Fox apologizes to Trump becuase they are media whores
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 08:08 PM (zOTsN)
We haven't asked them to run away.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:02 PM (JIElb)
Nonsense. People have been asking for decades why Republicans would allow partisan hacks hold debates they feel some obligation to attend.
Your facts are not, indeed, factual. Try again.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 26, 2016 08:08 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 07:56 PM (lVU49)
That's what I find the most disappointing by far.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:08 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 26, 2016 08:09 PM (MNgU2)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 08:06 PM (ubByS)
He's counting Trump of course.
I'd suggest not feeding his current rage-state.
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 08:09 PM (s5o+q)
Let's check back in next week and see how you're doing.
Take a break! For safety's sake. From your vitriol.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 08:09 PM (ubByS)
"He actually posted that Trump is for Single Payer...like it supposed to be a plus."
Trump is not for single payer, as anyone who has watched any of his speeches would know.
Posted by: despair at January 26, 2016 08:02 PM (VrdxH)
Trump: Hey, let's let the government negotiate drug prices directly with the pharmaceutical companies, just like the Democrats want to do!
http://tinyurl.com/z5b2w3e
Trump: Hey, maybe the government should pay for everyone's health care!
http://tinyurl.com/p359gfg
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 08:09 PM (lVU49)
Posted by: Just Some Guy at January 26, 2016 08:09 PM (DsU1p)
I fear it may have been fatally wounded, in fact.
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 08:07 PM (s5o+q)
And if that's the case, we're at the point of "at this point, what difference does it make?" I don't think Trump will be the straw that broke the camel's back, either way.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at January 26, 2016 08:09 PM (HalrA)
Posted by: The Chewbacca Defense at January 26, 2016 08:09 PM (NNfXx)
I'd suggest not feeding his current rage-state.
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 08:09 PM (s5o+q)
If we feed it in the proper amounts, at the proper intervals, we could send him into low earth orbit and bounce radio waves off him to send Trump speeches to the russians.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 08:09 PM (ubByS)
how would meggy respond?
Posted by: vizzy at January 26, 2016 08:09 PM (iumjx)
many Conservative-signalers, there are. Good luck with that, as the word don't mean nothin no more.
Posted by: John Stuart Moop at January 26, 2016 08:10 PM (8CdUx)
We should be doing two things:
1. Killing the GOP by not voting for them.
2. Setting up a new party to be up and ready to go by 2018.
If we don't, we're going to repeat this same misery in 2020, 2024, if we're still even a country by then.
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 26, 2016 08:10 PM (FqI4R)
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It's either Cruz or Trump, at this stage of the game Cruz really needs to step it up if he wants to win, but in the last debate he wound up stepping in it instead. And yet for all his conservative credentials there are people here pissing all over Cruz too because OMG HE HANDED OUT TEDDY BEARS HOLY JESUS HE"S ANOTHER RINO.
Posted by: Burn It Down at January 26, 2016 08:10 PM (5DJW4)
As to the 40% - Do I think 40% of the electorate are LIV retards?
Um, remind me again who America elected President. TWICE...
Posted by: Chi at January 26, 2016 08:10 PM (I7I0v)
Oh but the mailman's son who yearn to blow Obama...now that guy will be like totes tough with Putin and Iran.
The GOPe logic is....I don't even have a word for it.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 08:10 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 26, 2016 08:10 PM (JO9+V)
Your emperor wears wrestling tights.
You can either see it, or still praise his regal robes.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:10 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Brick Tamland at January 26, 2016 08:10 PM (7qAYi)
All the talk is about HIM , before, during, and after the debate.
The other guys get to gang up on Cruz because he will be the leading candidate on the stage.
Trump will get whatever network he chooses to grace his presence with during the debate, good ratings.
But his spokesman MESSED UP BIGTIME by saying "His bond is his word" That statement will turn this episode around and blow up in Trump's face.
Posted by: builderD at January 26, 2016 08:11 PM (sxLki)
Trump lures in a bunch of shit-tards who think they're conservative with a simplistic border slogan, the retards flock to him
Posted by: AmishDude
Hallmark Cards: "When You Care Enough to Send the Very Best"
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 26, 2016 08:11 PM (kdS6q)
r u mad
Also does your plain wife know you're posting on the internet again? How is this affecting your furniture output for the month?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 08:11 PM (ubByS)
Posted by: Methos at January 26, 2016 08:08 PM (ZbV+0)
I believe non-Christians have rights, which is more than can be said for you
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 08:11 PM (lVU49)
Wow... so you constantly insult people for their support of someone who YOU say, ACTS JUST LIKE YOU....
I.
Am not.
Running for president.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:11 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: SMFH at January 26, 2016 08:11 PM (TKKli)
Posted by: John Stuart Moop at January 26, 2016 08:11 PM (8CdUx)
that's Rush pointed out first thing one his show. One questioner says
along the lines about previous president who inspired your life and adds
I see why you (Hildabeast ) got this question."
I've heard this two different ways:
(a) That CNN announced at the outset that the questions had been provided in advance to the Democratic candidates, and
(b) That CNN announced at the outset that the questions had _not_ been thus provided.
Anyone who watched the whole mess recall what was said?
Posted by: torquewrench at January 26, 2016 08:11 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Fox News Board of Directors at January 26, 2016 08:11 PM (f7rv6)
Posted by: spypeach at January 26, 2016 08:12 PM (nyYhO)
Posted by: All Teh Meh at January 26, 2016 08:12 PM (yq2eR)
Dude, if you're supporting a liberal Bloombergesque charlatan who's out-and-out pandering to white-power assholes and low information voters, own it.
Posted by: Friedrich Drumpf at January 26, 2016 08:01 PM (tAWXR)
Look, any candidate who doesn't pander to LIVs doesn't stand a chance. They have us outnumbered now, in case you haven't noticed. (Cue my rant about the universal franchise.)
But "white-power assholes"? Seriously?
Posted by: rickl at January 26, 2016 08:12 PM (sdi6R)
Meanwhile, as we all beat the shit out of each other, Hilary sez shed pick Obama for SCOTUS.
H/T Weasel Zippers
**projectile vomits**
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 08:12 PM (zLP1L)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 07:56 PM (lVU49)
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Yeah as opposed to the super duper constitutionalists like Jeb, Christie and the mailman's son, who tripped over themselves praising Obama.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 08:12 PM (0LHZx)
Politics ain't beanbag. Get over it.
Sling mud. Fight dirty. Go for throats. It's combat by other means. Politics is nasty. If you want to win and you are willing to fight, you decide the hits you take are gonna be worth it, and then you engage and fight until you win or you're dead, metaphorically speaking.
Have a nice day. That is all.
Posted by: A10pilot at January 26, 2016 08:12 PM (Gu/HL)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 26, 2016 08:12 PM (6FqZa)
Amish
you arent mad people are voting for Trump, looking for a Big Daddy
you are mad because they arent voting for YOUR preferred Big Daddy
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 08:12 PM (zOTsN)
THIS.
This is also why I'm not I'm not particularly impressed by Trump folks complaining about being insulted - I spent weeks on the EMT in which every day someone (*cough scribbler cough*) would make some snide little sniping attack on Cruz while others would sing the glory of Trump and his coming golden reign using the executive phone and pen. When I got sick of this and start politely asking why reason for their confidence in Trump, I got snarled at and told how awful everyone else was and, by extension, how I was a RINO on account of being mildly skeptical.
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 26, 2016 08:12 PM (bZ7mE)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 26, 2016 08:13 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 08:13 PM (ubByS)
Yeah the Republic is dead, we're in the post mortem. Who wins what office is a matter of how it plays out at this point, not whether we can recover it.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 08:13 PM (39g3+)
Think about that for a minute..."
Try again. I've been out of high school for decades but I still look marvelous.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 26, 2016 08:13 PM (gAane)
A news channel is supposed to report the news, not insert themselves in the political debate by releasing snarky, juvenile, political campaignesque press releases mocking a candidate they clearly don't like.
They want to be "fair and balanced" and report the news in a more fair way then the liberal media? This is the opposite of that.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 26, 2016 08:01 PM (AkOaV)
Do Trump says that Fox News fis unfair to him and he's skipping the debate, and Fox News isn't allowed to claim that it isn't unfair by illustrating the point that presidential canadidates will have to handle criticism without "insert[ing] themselves in the political debate?"
Geez, for a guy that's running on a reputation of supreme alpha, you are white knighting him like he's a dainty b*tch.
Posted by: Boone at January 26, 2016 08:13 PM (vq6QR)
Oh, does "lobbed his way" mean what it usually does?
You know, bounced off my chin.
Posted by: Marco at January 26, 2016 08:13 PM (c7vUv)
Am not.
Running for president.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:11 PM (JIElb)
You should, you'd fit in great with this crowd of unsubstantive self-aggrandizing blowhards
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 08:13 PM (ubByS)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 26, 2016 08:13 PM (2cS/G)
I know you didn't mean that come out as it did. I'd change some of that wording..Just saying
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 08:13 PM (DUoqb)
there will be much renting of clothes and beating of the breasts when Fox apologizes to Trump becuase they are media whores
Now will Megyn Kelly or Kimberly Guilfoyle be involved in any of this clothes-ripping & breast-slapping?
Posted by: Josephistan at January 26, 2016 08:13 PM (7qAYi)
There's someone I thought would go on forever.
Posted by: AD at January 26, 2016 08:13 PM (QWY55)
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 26, 2016 08:14 PM (JO9+V)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 26, 2016 08:13 PM (2cS/G)
Just say hitler, abe
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 08:14 PM (ubByS)
That particular response had nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with the stated desire by the poster to have entertainment in the campaign.
Why do you assume the best of a man who has never been tested by any office? His positions are astonishingly liberal. If any candidate had had a tenth of the flip-flops he did, you'd dismiss them immediately.
But I guess loud, rude, obnoxious, vulgar reality star uber alles, eh?
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:14 PM (JIElb)
1. Killing the GOP by not voting for them.
2. Setting up a new party to be up and ready to go by 2018.
If we don't, we're going to repeat this same misery in 2020, 2024, if we're still even a country by then.
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 26, 2016 08:10 PM (FqI4R)
The difficult part (surprisingly given the current sturm und drang we're experiencing over #1) is actually #2.
You have to somehow form a classically liberal (aka "conservative") political party dedicated to restoring the original values of the USA (to include the Constitution) without going off the rails with wacko stuff like banning fractional banking.
It is, I fear, the work of generations.
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 08:14 PM (s5o+q)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 07:58 PM (lVU49)
Hi Ya CJ!!!! Im fine.. hope all is well with you.
Posted by: JumboShrimp at January 26, 2016 08:14 PM (DGIjM)
Posted by: Bluto at January 26, 2016 08:14 PM (8ZskC)
Getting there myself. He should take a lesson from Newt in 2012.
Posted by: Joanne at January 26, 2016 08:14 PM (hgBpU)
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at January 26, 2016 08:08 PM (nFdGS)
Did Fox really bring on that fucking two-bit hack?
Posted by: cm9000 at January 26, 2016 08:14 PM (2TUVm)
Posted by: Mr. FeverHead at January 26, 2016 08:14 PM (j1Wvr)
Hoo boy. the chicken is getting a workout tonight
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 26, 2016 08:12 PM (6FqZa)
Yeah, pretty much. I'm all for having a discussion, but this has gotten so far out of hand that it's broken on the floor and leaking all over our shoes. And it wasn't a jar of incense, it was a chamber pot. Fuck it, I'm done with this shit.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at January 26, 2016 08:14 PM (HalrA)
Posted by: other joe_mama at January 26, 2016 07:59 PM (13W9U)
SAY WHAT NOW?
You want to say that again?
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:14 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 26, 2016 08:15 PM (6FqZa)
Damn. I usually envision her naked in my bed, at first throwing down a scotch, neat, and then breaking out the champy, with a devil may care smile.
heh.
Posted by: Fritz at January 26, 2016 08:15 PM (BngQR)
Posted by: Lincolntf a
Aaaannnndddd we have a Full Godwin
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 08:15 PM (zOTsN)
Seriously, what the fuck am i gonna learn about Trump's policies when he's going to be asked questions like, "Why do you support rape, Mister Trump?" "Will you apologize for calling Rosie an ugly face?" "How often do you beat your wife?"
Posted by: Burn It Down at January 26, 2016 08:15 PM (5DJW4)
Trump is absolutely right to punish Fox for putting up a biased personality as a moderator. They will suffer the consequences in a ratings disaster on Thursday night.
Posted by: Stay out da Bushes at January 26, 2016 08:15 PM (rZJS9)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 26, 2016 08:13 PM (2cS/G)
______
Trump's a Nazi? WOW!! How fucking original of you. Say, MSNBC has a slot open Saturday morning, you should give them a call, maybe audition. You'd be their perfect "conservative" host.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 08:15 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 26, 2016 08:16 PM (4ErVI)
Meanwhile, as we all beat the shit out of each other, Hilary sez shed pick Obama for SCOTUS.
H/T Weasel Zippers
**projectile vomits**
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 08:12 PM (zLP1L)
Won't happen. He will turn it down, because you have to actually do some work to be an SC justice. He just wants to retire and play golf, and whatever it is he does. But I applaud Hildebeast for a creative way to get rid of pesky indictments.
Posted by: Moki at January 26, 2016 08:16 PM (7q2ch)
Meanwhile, as we all beat the shit out of each other, Hilary sez shed pick Obama for SCOTUS.
H/T Weasel Zippers
**projectile vomits**
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 08:12 PM (zLP1L)
Shut the fuck up.
For the longest time I've told myself, if he wasn't just a figurehead, a puppet for jarret, if he wasn't such a small man, and if his martyrdom wouldn't serve as a rallying cry for socialists all over the planet, I would already have done something ignorant my damn self.
If he were appointed to the SCOTUS.
I probably wouldn't get there first.
Sorry for getting us all on a list youse guys
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 08:16 PM (ubByS)
HE WAS RIGHT
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 07:59 PM (zOTsN)
Which volume of Stuff Jefferson said is that from?
He said "20" in a letter.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:16 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: The Moustashiod Hat at January 26, 2016 07:53 PM (vBeA5)
---
...and it was more informative then most of the "debates".
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 26, 2016 08:16 PM (MbrzC)
Anyone who watched the whole mess recall what was said?
Posted by: torquewrench at January 26, 2016 08:11 PM (noWW6)
CNN said all questions had been pre screened.
Then a nervous kid said "I can see why they gave you this question" while reciting a question to Hillary (a question most likely "pre screened" -ahem- by CNN, and maybe or maybe not given to the candidates)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 26, 2016 08:16 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: East Bay Jay at January 26, 2016 08:16 PM (PvCxa)
Yeah, like he'd take the job. Too much work when they're in session.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 08:16 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 26, 2016 08:16 PM (2cS/G)
H/T Weasel Zippers
**projectile vomits**
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 08:12 PM (zLP1L)
I see that (the Obama/Scotus, not the projectile vomit) as a best-case scenario.
Let us endeavor to avoid it, shall we?
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 08:16 PM (s5o+q)
? Answer that oh great wise one with all the knowledge of the future and the wisdom of the past. (or so you act like)
cause that's a fact not some daydream you and others have had to explain Trump's popularity.
That's
right, I'm saying Cruz is the skunk in the wood pile. the one being
used to distract the 'conservative' thinker crowd who will then bow out
before too many primaries and give his delegate to Rubio. He'll bow out
regretfully and blame Trump and others for stirring up the questions
about his citizenship (mighty handy excuse there. Better than any that
Trump could come up with to give up to Hillary)
And btw, the
delegates are not dedicated to the winner of their primary. They can
change who they cast their vote for at any time. There are rules about
it but I'm sure the GOPe has that covered. So watch the convention and
weep all you concerned 'conservatives' and when the GOPe manages to
shaft you again and Trump too, then maybe you'll ask our forgiveness.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 08:08 PM (Xo1Rt)
Oh, bullshit Bitter Clinger. Cruz has a long and storied history of being a constitutionalist and NOT being part of the GOPe.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 08:16 PM (NPofj)
Posted by: Amy Schumer at January 26, 2016 08:16 PM (rwI+c)
Cruz called in to challenge Donald to a one on one debate on Levin Show.
Posted by: Carol at January 26, 2016 08:16 PM (sj3Ax)
502 Of course Trump is popular, he's a Socialist with Nationalist
trimmings. A sure-fire recipe for attracting the malcontents and
sub-achievers.
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 26, 2016 08:13 PM (2cS/G)
I'm invoking Godwin's Law. This discussion is over. You just lost.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at January 26, 2016 08:16 PM (HalrA)
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 08:17 PM (0LHZx)
So, what's are the Cruz++ types going to do after Tedward has the stage all to himself, and then still implodes in Iowa? Cause for Cruz, it's win big or go home.
Who ya gonna blame? The guy who wasn't there?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 26, 2016 07:59 PM (kdS6q)
Honestly? They'll blame the GOPe for "foisting" Rubio on them.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:17 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 26, 2016 08:10 PM
It's a sign!
It's a sign alright, "Going out of business."
Posted by: Josephistan at January 26, 2016 08:17 PM (7qAYi)
it's funny watching pro trump people insult those who are not pro trump cry about being insulted.
Posted by: spypeach at January 26, 2016 08:12 PM (nyYhO)
I know, right?
Trumpoid: TRUMP WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!
Realist: Well, did you know that Trump actually supports single-payer health care, and favored gun control, and has no solid convictions, and ....
Trumpoid: LIES! ALL LIES!!!! STOP SAYING MEAN THINGS ABOUT MY TRUMPY, YOU ARE VIOLATING MY SAFE SPACE!!!!!
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 08:17 PM (lVU49)
Posted by: John Stuart Moop at January 26, 2016 08:17 PM (8CdUx)
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 08:17 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: zombie Teh Fred at January 26, 2016 08:17 PM (H9MG5)
Wow... so you constantly insult people for their support of someone who YOU say, ACTS JUST LIKE YOU....
I.
Am not. you will hold yourself to...
And insult anyone who does not follow the same Hypocrisy......
Got it......
Running for president.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:11 PM (JIElb)
Ah.... so you believe that you can be an asshole normally.... just not as President???
Because Presidents are something special? Maybe.... I don't know.... touched by God or something?
The are just people... nothing more... nothing less.... and just because they HIDE the fact that they are Human behind multiple layers of Staff... does not make them more than human...
So you will hold others to a higher standard than hold yourself... and then insult anyone who does agree with your hypocricy....
Got it...
Posted by: Fox News Board of Directors at January 26, 2016 08:17 PM (f7rv6)
Posted by: SMFH at January 26, 2016 08:17 PM (TKKli)
Posted by: nip at January 26, 2016 08:18 PM (r73Jl)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 26, 2016 08:18 PM (MNgU2)
There's basically no way a republican will win unless they get some Obama independent voters. Who can pull those liv Idjits? Cruz can't. DondI can't. Jeb can't. The Donald.
Doesn't mean he will be a good president. It's a bad situation.
Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance. Try to prepare for the bargaining phase by convention time in Cleveland. Your going to need it.
Posted by: simplemind at January 26, 2016 08:18 PM (BTnAK)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 26, 2016 08:16 PM (2cS/G)
As I said I now you did not mean that, but using Nationalist and Socialist in the same sentence is risky. Just saying. From a friend.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 08:18 PM (DUoqb)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 08:18 PM (ubByS)
Why can't any of you that hate Trump like some of us that are willing to vote for him and like Cruz too?
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 08:18 PM (2x3L+)
conservatives are quite small, and a very large number of those people
whom I thought were "constitutionalist conservatives" are really just
longing for their own wanna-be-dictator-daddy-figure to run things.
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 07:56 PM (lVU49)
Then you are learning it wrong.
What I would think any reasonably intelligent "constitutional conservative" will tell you is they have given up on the Republican Party as the means of their political solutions.
The problem many of you seem to have is that you are still in denial about that.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 26, 2016 08:18 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 08:18 PM (zLP1L)
A little bit. A lot is that Right 2 Rise is targeting Rubio and a lot of potential Rubio volunteers have been sucked up by Jeb and a few others.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:18 PM (JIElb)
Yeah the Republic is dead, we're in the post mortem. Who wins what office is a matter of how it plays out at this point, not whether we can recover it.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 08:13 PM (39g3+)
The Republic died about 100 years ago. We've been transitioning to pure democracy ever since.
And you know what comes after that.
Posted by: rickl at January 26, 2016 08:18 PM (sdi6R)
Subgeniuses, the lot.
Posted by: DriveBy at January 26, 2016 08:18 PM (C9Vc8)
Posted by: Drider at January 26, 2016 08:18 PM (6Xbsz)
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 08:18 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 08:18 PM (ubByS)
Then it just continued and most of her guests treat Trump mostly as a con man, and try to expose his every move as a ploy, and I remember Megyn also talking down his supporters like "what kind of (lowlifes) support him". So she can be kinda fair usually, but has that war on women thing.
Just the last day or to she was adamant "we'll do our job", meaning not be intimidated by Trump I guess, but it is battle mode for her and man. But she does the Esquire provocative shots as well, so I guess wants to be strong woman, hear me roar, a little bit.
So it is personal, not a good thing for Trump ... a moderator that has something to prove, and loves the ratings. Trump is right ... don't negotiate with terrorists. ha ... walk away, don't do the deal.
Posted by: Illiniwek at January 26, 2016 08:19 PM (5Gpe2)
____
And very uber conservative senator like McCain, McConnel, Flake, Rubio will enthuthistiscally vote to confirm. And National Review will pen a cover story about how terrific it is.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 08:19 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: simplemind at January 26, 2016 08:19 PM (BTnAK)
Posted by: Weasel at January 26, 2016 08:19 PM (e3bId)
I'm drunk and about to get high, what's yours guys' excuse for being
such embarrassing sycophants over reality tv star donald trump?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 08:18 PM (ubByS)
At this point shooting smack into my cock seems like a good idea.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 26, 2016 08:19 PM (4ErVI)
I miss Fred Thompson.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 26, 2016 08:20 PM (iHjB5)
Amazing how people can read the exact same exchange.... over multiple days...
and come away with the exact OPPOSITE impression.
Posted by: Don Quixote at January 26, 2016 08:20 PM (f7rv6)
Posted by: Lincolntf
Your projections aren't my problem. He is what he is. Not a Nazi by any means, but of course you have to go there for whatever reason, make yourself feel better I guess.
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 26, 2016 08:16 PM (2cS/G)
Just Own it
you meant what you said
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 08:20 PM (zOTsN)
I know, because that's what all the folks who read Stormfront constantly tell me.
Posted by: DriveBy at January 26, 2016 08:20 PM (C9Vc8)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 26, 2016 08:18 PM (MNgU2)
There are few who do.
Of course, Godwin's Law seems now to be a quaint, archaic remnant from some lost golden age.
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 08:20 PM (s5o+q)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 08:02 PM (ubByS)
For what this time?
And who is LL?
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:20 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 26, 2016 08:20 PM (oFSUK)
It's perfect for him. Lifetime tenure, he doesn't have to do anything, he just votes when he's in the mood.
Hell, Thurgood Marshall was dead for a decade before anyone noticed that his clerks were writing all his opinions.
It will be the Harvard Law Review all over again.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 08:20 PM (rwI+c)
Seriously, what the fuck am i gonna learn about Trump's policies when he's going to be asked questions like, "Why do you support rape, Mister Trump?" "Will you apologize for calling Rosie an ugly face?" "How often do you beat your wife?"
Exactly. IT has not been that long since the last time Megyn Kelly's last debate appearance where she was universally reviled here and the candidates held a symposium led by Trump telling Fox to get their act together.
She asked stupid bubblegum questions, tried to set the candidates against each other to boost Jeb Bush's status, and was generally so obnoxious everyone called for her to never be at a debate again. I remember people here insisting the candidates skip any debate she was part of.
Now? Suddenly its a horrible thing to do.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 08:21 PM (39g3+)
is. Not a Nazi by any means, but of course you have to go there for
whatever reason, make yourself feel better I guess.
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 26, 2016 08:16 PM (2cS/G)
As I said I now you did not mean that, but using Nationalist and
Socialist in the same sentence is risky. Just saying. From a friend.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 08:18 PM (DUoqb)
Lincolntf thinks he's being cute. Up thread he called people who support trump "retards," now he's playing around with his words here.
Another lost soul.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 26, 2016 08:21 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 26, 2016 08:16 PM (2cS/G)
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LOL. You call a guy a nationalist and socialist but heaven forbid anyone accuse you of calling him a nazi.
Dude you are so fucking pathetic.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 08:21 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Carol at January 26, 2016 08:16 PM (sj3Ax)
One on one debates are always called for by the trailing candidates.
Posted by: cm9000 at January 26, 2016 08:21 PM (2TUVm)
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 08:20 PM (s5o+q)
No it still applies
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 08:21 PM (DUoqb)
(I've been there and done that, so no hard feelings, get well my friend)
Posted by: Max Power at January 26, 2016 08:21 PM (q177U)
Subgeniuses, the lot.
Posted by: DriveBy at January 26, 2016 08:18 PM (C9Vc
The SubGenius Must Have Slack!
Posted by: J. R. "Bob" Dobbs at January 26, 2016 08:21 PM (s5o+q)
It's perfectly logical. Trump is for (among thousands of other things) single-payer.
Full stop.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:21 PM (JIElb)
Another lost soul.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 26, 2016 08:21 PM (TOk1P)
_____
In his defense, I'd be pretty upset as well if I were a Kasich/Jeb supporter.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 08:21 PM (0LHZx)
There's someone I thought would go on forever.
Posted by: AD at January 26, 2016 08:13 PM (QWY55)
I know, right?!?
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 08:21 PM (NPofj)
conservative" will tell you is they have given up on the Republican
Party as the means of their political solutions.
Once again, for the nth time:
To be a constitutional conservative does not necessarily mean to be pro-Republican, or pro-Cruz, or even pro-Reagan for that matter. It is to be pro-Constitution.
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 08:21 PM (lVU49)
Look, I get Trump. We all "get" Trump. The problem is the absolute blind allegiance to the man without even being reasonable enough to listen to the legitimate concerns about him and his positions. And to just viciously attack anyone who calls the guy out on his inconsistencies, dumb statements, vulgarianism and past record is jut not acceptable
to me.
It's a reverse Hope and Change. Sorry to burst bubbles.
That's all I'll say.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 08:21 PM (zLP1L)
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 26, 2016 08:22 PM (FqI4R)
Posted by: despair at January 26, 2016 08:02 PM (VrdxH)
Trump is for single player:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcUCLwWCihE
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:22 PM (JIElb)
Geez, for a guy that's running on a reputation of supreme alpha, you are white knighting him like he's a dainty b*tch.
Posted by: Boone at January 26, 2016 08:13 PM (vq6QR)
If you don't see the difference between the way a political campaign responds to things and a "news network" should, then I don't know what to tell you.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 26, 2016 08:22 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: garrett at January 26, 2016 08:22 PM (b99VK)
Posted by: Aetius
------------
Thompson?
* rummages in drawer for I Like Ike button *
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 26, 2016 08:22 PM (oFSUK)
Posted by: Carol at January 26, 2016 08:16 PM (sj3Ax)
One on one debates are always called for by the trailing candidates.
Posted by: cm9000 at January 26, 2016 08:21 PM (2TUVm)
Dead heat in Iowa. Trump dodging Fox is not about Megyn. It's fear of Cruz.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 08:22 PM (zLP1L)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 26, 2016 08:22 PM (FkBIv)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 08:22 PM (DUoqb)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 08:18 PM (ubByS)
================================================
I was very pleased. The stylist said by my next cut she should be able to style it just the way I envision it. The odd thing is that I told my daughter what a lovely salon it was, very nice indeed, and she goes "Oh yeah - that's where I go. They do the best work in town."
So you think she could have told me this like three years ago?
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 08:23 PM (dFi94)
It's illuminating.
Since I've been here in particular - and since I've been talking politics in general - there's always been a difference in what people call "the right".
Left vs. Right is always imagined like a number line. That's bullshit. A circle would be better. A graph works better yet.
A cube might do it ... but that's damned hard to deal with.
I'd love to see an honest Venn Diagram of the Horde. I think it would be ... enlightening.
Posted by: Irony at January 26, 2016 08:23 PM (qmMG2)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 26, 2016 08:19 PM (4ErVI)
I'm game for talking about anything other than the thread topic.
How 'bout them Broncos?
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 08:23 PM (s5o+q)
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 26, 2016 08:23 PM (FqI4R)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 26, 2016 08:23 PM (MNgU2)
Posted by: Weasel at January 26, 2016 08:23 PM (e3bId)
Can I gently point out that Godwin's Law does not state that invoking Hitler loses the argument.
Also I do not believe that the corollary Godwin's Law is binding nor including in formal logic.
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 26, 2016 08:23 PM (bZ7mE)
Posted by: simplemind at January 26, 2016 08:23 PM (BTnAK)
I am about to leave work and go home actually, get some dinner
what is up?
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 08:23 PM (lVU49)
Posted by: Jeff Goldblum at January 26, 2016 08:23 PM (8CdUx)
Posted by: Methos at January 26, 2016 08:08 PM (ZbV+0)
I believe non-Christians have rights, which is more than can be said for you
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 08:11 PM (lVU49)
There's no reason any faithful Jew couldn't read the DoI and agree with it. It's certainly possible other sorts of believers might as well.
It is not possible for a muslim, so they will not recognize my rights. Therefore out of reciprocity I will similarly not recognize theirs.Same goes for atheists by default. Unless of course they demonstrate a common interest (for example eman gets mohammadan colonization of this country isn't in anyone's interest, so I'm perfectly happy dealing with him as an equal).The point is that you don't believe in the DoI and are unwilling to even pretend to be, and as a result, are in no credible position to be claiming any kind of ideological purity over real Americans.
Posted by: Methos at January 26, 2016 08:24 PM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: Dobby at January 26, 2016 08:04 PM (b1uWI)
I think that's true, actually. Look, Kelly can't ask too many questions with all the other candidates around. But Cruz can nail Trump to the wall.
He did last time, but didn't anticipate the 9-11 response, so Trump won via expectations.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:24 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 08:24 PM (Xo1Rt)
to me.
It's a reverse Hope and Change. Sorry to burst bubbles.
That's all I'll say.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 08:21 PM (zLP1L)
____
Speaking only for myself....
I have no illusions that Trump is the perfect candidate. I fully expect him to piss me off 40-50% of the time. But at least he will please me the other 40-50%. And that's about as good as I am going to get.
The mailman's son will piss me off 100%.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 08:24 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 08:24 PM (rwI+c)
What's going on here? Anything interesting or is it just the usual kumbayah lovefest?
Posted by: pep at January 26, 2016 08:24 PM (LAe3v)
@520
Exactly correct.
How anyone can say that the behavior of NRO and Fox is normal or professional is beyond me. The bias and hate is so beyond the pale.
All the money the globalist lose when Trump wins has them pulling out all the stops. Again, this is a Yuge endorsement for Trump.
Martin Sorrell, CEO of WPP Group is a globalist and wants Trump out of the race. Hillary or Jeb for him.
WPP Group is a conglomerate that represents half of ALL of Fox's ad revenue which pays Megyn's salary.
More global elitists trying to destroy America and especially the middle class.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 26, 2016 08:24 PM (gAane)
Col. Potter
Col. Blake
Col. Klink
Col. Sanders
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 26, 2016 08:23 PM (FqI4R)
Col. Hogan
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 26, 2016 08:24 PM (JO9+V)
Posted by: Burn It Down at January 26, 2016 08:24 PM (5DJW4)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 26, 2016 08:04 PM (4ErVI)
Many a truth is said in jest. -- William Shakesman.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:25 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 26, 2016 08:25 PM (2cS/G)
yeah it pretty much does
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 08:25 PM (DUoqb)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:20 PM (JIElb)
Phonics
Obviously a Trump ploy
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 08:25 PM (ubByS)
to me.
It's a reverse Hope and Change. Sorry to burst bubbles.
That's all I'll say.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 08:21 PM (zLP1L)
Don't assume that your fellow Hordesmen are doing the Blind Allegiance schtick. Yeah, there's people who are, but they're not us. There's people like that for Cruz, too. Frankly, they're both risky candidates and Cruz has less chances in the general election due to the money problem - IE, the money will back Hillary over him. Maybe we've just decided that this country's so far in the crapper that any damage Trump can do won't make a difference, but the good he's capable of doing if he's been honest with us just might.
Let's stop attacking each other. We have reasons for believing as we do, and just disagree. I don't think there's anybody here who hasn't reached their position through some kind of logical process, we've just weighted our facts and sources differently.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at January 26, 2016 08:25 PM (HalrA)
Posted by: simplemind at January 26, 2016 08:25 PM (BTnAK)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 26, 2016 08:20 PM (iHjB5)
=============================================
I almost miss John Anderson. How pathetic am I?
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 08:25 PM (dFi94)
dishonesty from both side is disgusting
anti trumpers dont tell you they are really pulling for Rubio
pro Trumpers claims Cruz isnt a citizen
and the ridiculous name calling if people dont agree with you
and I know there are stormfronters that are pro Trump and doing that but they arent here
this reminds me of what prog did to the tea party
call me any name you want. It wont work. Ive got calluses now
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 08:25 PM (zOTsN)
You're conflating the two. What McConnell thinks and does is not the same as McConnell's lawyer. The fact that a lawyer for a guy set up a PAC that donates money to someone does not mean he equals and is the same as McConnell. And because McConnell said something about Cruz doesn't mean his lawyer does or believes any of that.
Maybe he does -- but we have no information of that.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 08:26 PM (39g3+)
All I want is for the GOP to die.
Who ends up in the White House is a secondary concern, at this point.
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 26, 2016 08:05 PM (FqI4R)
Thanks.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:26 PM (JIElb)
conservatives are quite small, and a very large number of those people
whom I thought were "constitutionalist conservatives" are really just
longing for their own wanna-be-dictator-daddy-figure to run things.
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 07:56 PM (lVU49)
No such thing as a "constitutionalist
conservative" - no matter how much chest thumping one can make about what the constitution really says, it still takes only a simple majority of the Nine Men in Black Dresses to decide what it says. You'd think they could find nine in over three hundred million that actually can read the thing and understand what it says.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 26, 2016 08:26 PM (T78UI)
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 26, 2016 08:26 PM (FqI4R)
Posted by: garrett at January 26, 2016 08:26 PM (b99VK)
I think is shows how tight the GOPe is, in fact, with the 'rat party. They want their cabin boy Rubio to carry on the bidne$$, raping the taxpayers and selling out national security as much as the 'rats do. That is FOX's goal with this debate. I'm glad Trump said "fvck you then, I'm going to raise some money for the vets and you will feel it in the pocketbooks, assholes." Has anyone ever seen a press release like that from a supposed "news" network. Thought not.
Today's national GOP is deader than Vince Foster to me. Can't ever see trusting them again. Ever.
Posted by: oddnot not liking these times at January 26, 2016 08:26 PM (g1MTt)
Trump's scared and petulant. Cruz ate his lunch and cleaned his clock at the last debate. I understand Trump doing this. He thinks his bombast can bamboozle the angry folk out there. He's right. Let's see how right.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 08:26 PM (zLP1L)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 08:25 PM (DUoqb)
The original form didn't, but the general usage of it and author-canonized corollaries do indeed mean that whoever makes the first Nazi comparison has lost the argument.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at January 26, 2016 08:26 PM (HalrA)
What's going on here? Anything interesting or is it just the usual kumbayah lovefest?
Posted by: pep at January 26, 2016 08:24 PM
I think we've decided our ticket should be Terry Crews/Topless Megyn Kelly.
Posted by: Josephistan at January 26, 2016 08:26 PM (7qAYi)
Having trouble with the idea you might be wrong?
Want to rethink your cult built up around Cruz being an outsider?
Admit you're full of something brown and squishy?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 08:27 PM (Xo1Rt)
For Trump.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at January 26, 2016 08:27 PM (pq97T)
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 08:23 PM (s5o+q)
fuck.
Throw to Gronk on the 2 pt conversion too!
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 08:27 PM (ubByS)
Won't happen. He will turn it down, because you have to actually do some work to be an SC justice. He just wants to retire and play golf, and whatever it is he does. But I applaud Hildebeast for a creative way to get rid of pesky indictments.
Posted by: Moki at January 26, 2016 08:16 PM
Law clerks.
But my guess he's holding out for un secretary
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 26, 2016 08:27 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:27 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Weasel at January 26, 2016 08:27 PM (e3bId)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 26, 2016 08:27 PM (FkBIv)
Let them lay out their plan over an hour (20 mins, minus commercials for each.) No gotcha questions, just asking them things like: What are your economic, Military, domestic plans?
I would watch.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 26, 2016 08:27 PM (iHjB5)
Posted by: Citizen Cake at January 26, 2016 08:27 PM (ppaKI)
---
Seems to me that a number of folks are in meltdown mode up in here...
Not that it's not entertaining to watch or anything.
Between seeing the trailer of Range 15 and watching the friendly fire up in here over some politicians had me laughing my ass off today.
Oh, and in case anyone wants to laugh:
http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=64024
And yes, I will be pimping the fuck out of this movie.
Ace needs to do a movie review on this movie.
Hell, the tagline alone is pure awesomeness.
"After watching these guys try to save the world, you'll never thank another veteran for their service ever again."
Posted by: SMFH at January 26, 2016 08:28 PM (TKKli)
After the guy asked about his skyrocketing health insurance costs, I expected Brazile to say something like, "I know, I know... there's no good explanation."
It staggers the imagination to think that she is Vice Chairwoman of the DNC..., or that she has 'advised' anyone on anything.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 26, 2016 08:28 PM (oFSUK)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 08:21 PM (lVU49)
Well, there are two main routes by which Constitutional governance might be restored in this country: politics and civil war.
The one is noisy, unpleasant, ugly, uncomfortable, pits brother against brother, wounds millions and leaves few unscarred, and the other involves bullets and guns.
I'd have done a better job with that joke, but I'm not drinking. Yet.
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 08:28 PM (s5o+q)
And still he is the best option we have.
It's sad state of affairs but it's where we are. To me stopping the invasion from south of the border is not just an important issue it is THE issue. Give citizenship to 30M illegals and the country is finished.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 08:28 PM (0LHZx)
This is also a man who said just a couple days ago he is in favor of post-natal abortion on Fifth Street
Honestly the Trumpies are just advocating based on pure emotion at this point, just like the left, the "Establishment" (which includes everyone they don't like, whether they actually are 'establishment' or not) gives them full of blinding stroke-inducing rage and anger, and so they support Trump on that basis alone, turning off all reason and intellect and just go 100% with rage and anger. I can't honestly figure out how someone can be that amazingly angry for so incredibly long that they don't wake up one morning and snap out of it and realize "oh wow, did I almost really vote for a guy who doesn't even know WTF he is doing? who has no convictions and his speeches are all just garbled word salads?" But there you have it, that's where we are
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 08:28 PM (lVU49)
And that is why I support Cruz. But I also do NOT think Trump is the devil. He is in the White House
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 08:28 PM (DUoqb)
Posted by: Burn It Down at January 26, 2016 08:24 PM (5DJW4)
After the Fox comment.... which was a Press conference and thus written by an Editor of Fox News...
He's out...
I would be too...
It was Double Dog Daring him not to show...
Posted by: Don Quixote at January 26, 2016 08:28 PM (f7rv6)
Posted by: Tom Courtenay at January 26, 2016 08:28 PM (8CdUx)
the candidates against each other to boost Jeb Bush's status, and was
generally so obnoxious everyone called for her to never be at a debate
again. I remember people here insisting the candidates skip any debate
she was part of.
Now? Suddenly its a horrible thing to do.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 08:21 PM (39g3+)
I wasn't one of the ones calling for candidates to boycott but I did thoroughly enjoy Cruz et. al. putting moderators in their place for stupid, misleading questions.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 08:28 PM (NPofj)
I totally support Cruz and am prepared to defend his positions with reason, logic and cogent debate. I understand where he falls short as well.
Far too many Trump supporters do not. And frankly, Trump's record is far more suspect than Cruz's.
Will I vote Trump if he gets the nod? Of course. And I demand the same from Trump supporters if the opposite happens.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 08:29 PM (zLP1L)
As a not-enemy, might I gently point out to you that you may not be helping your cause as much as you may think you are?
OK, let me pull back the curtain a bit.
I'm bad cop. I'm saying what some people would like to say but are being cowed by the Trump Circle Jerk.
If they feel emboldened or if they feel as if somebody's in their corner, then I've done my Andrew Breitbart for the day.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:29 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 26, 2016 08:29 PM (FkBIv)
anti trumpers dont tell you they are really pulling for Rubio
No, that's not right.
Posted by: pep at January 26, 2016 08:29 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 26, 2016 08:29 PM (FqI4R)
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 08:29 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: L, Elle
------------------
*raises hand*
I like you. Quite a bit. No hate here. And I promise not to scold you if you vote for him.
Personally, if it comes to that, I'll either vote D or stay home for the first time ever.
Posted by: Chi at January 26, 2016 08:29 PM (I7I0v)
to me.
******************
You're making the mistake that we're ignorant of these things. Trump's appeal is not in that but just how much the establishment hates him. The saying, they will tell you whom they fear, really shouldn't have been applied to democrats, but to the GOPe. And right now they fear The Donald. They might fear Cruz too, but I think it's more hatred there than fear.
Posted by: Burn It Down at January 26, 2016 08:29 PM (5DJW4)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 08:29 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 08:06 PM (ubByS)
There. Are. Four. Democrats.
Clinton, Sanders, O'Malley and Trump.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:29 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at January 26, 2016 08:29 PM (0O7c5)
To be a
constitutional conservative does not necessarily mean to be
pro-Republican, or pro-Cruz, or even pro-Reagan for that matter. It is
to be pro-Constitution.
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 08:21 PM (lVU49)
Which is fine, in a vacuum, but we're not living in a vacuum. We're living in an age when you don't have a choice between the "constitutional conservative" and something else. Constitutional conservative is not on the Republican menu.
If you want "constitutional conservatism," a necessary first step is to kill the one thing standing in its way: The Republican Party.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 26, 2016 08:30 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: garrett at January 26, 2016 08:30 PM (b99VK)
GOPe shills: You are such a stupid asshole racist, dumb nazi hick stupid imbecile. Fuck off.
Me: Whao, hold on a sec that's a bit harsh no?
GOPe shills: See Trump's people can't take any sort of criticism.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 08:30 PM (0LHZx)
Nah. It's about Megyn. Cruz is a bust on a downward spiral. Hanging out with open borders Glen Beck and Barton (got millions for aiding illegals) is a deal killer.
Over 50% of republican voters say the absolutely will not for an ineligible candidate. Go figure.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 26, 2016 08:30 PM (gAane)
Trump Trump Trump Trump
Trump Trump Trump Trump
Trumptrumptrumptrumptrumptrumptrumptrump
I'm down with Making American Great Again
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 08:07 PM (ubByS)
Will you just go to Guyana and get it over with?
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:30 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Citizen Cake at January 26, 2016 08:30 PM (ppaKI)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 08:30 PM (ubByS)
call me any name you want. It wont work. Ive got calluses now
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 08:25 PM (zOTsN)
Pretty much. Lot of gaslighting, lot of outright lying, lot of getting us all riled up against each other. It's how they operate, they try to destroy any unified opposition to their master plans.
We can disagree and be civil about it, damn it. We're better than this.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at January 26, 2016 08:30 PM (HalrA)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 08:08 PM (rwI+c)
Yep, that's the problem, isn't it? Let's have the blank slate.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:30 PM (JIElb)
Crushed.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 08:29 PM (rwI+c)
Col. Rosa Klebb.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 08:31 PM (zLP1L)
Posted by: edmundburkesshade at January 26, 2016 08:31 PM (cmBvC)
The trumpers are angry.
The cruzers are in denial. The rubes, are just rubes.
Don't say you aren't grieving (denial). If you paid attention the last 8 years you have reason to grieve.
Posted by: simplemind at January 26, 2016 08:31 PM (BTnAK)
I think this would be great -- for Cruz, because he'd slaughter Trump in a debate, but not so great for Donald, so I don't see this happening. Trump is weak in debates, and Cruz is a shark.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 08:31 PM (39g3+)
Maybe he does -- but we have no information of that.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 08:26 PM (39g3+)
My lawyer is gay. Does that mean I'm...?
Oh.
Shit.
I guess it does.
Someone better tell my girlfriend.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 26, 2016 08:31 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Cadillac at January 26, 2016 08:31 PM (A3kYV)
I won't watch.
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at January 26, 2016 08:31 PM (AhyHb)
Seems to me that all the gatherings he has attended when he blast the press the crowds cheer. Kinda hard to dismiss that point.
So running away is a moot point, has to be more to it than that. After the fallout with Megan his poll number rose.
Me thinks Free Press coverage, give them something to talk about. The keep me out front factor.
Posted by: Frodus at January 26, 2016 08:32 PM (Wg+qN)
Posted by: Darth Trump at January 26, 2016 08:32 PM (JO9+V)
Nope:
"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."
BTW, one corollary that is accepted by Godwin himself is Quirk's Exception:
Intentional invocation of Godwin's Law is ineffectual.
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 26, 2016 08:32 PM (bZ7mE)
Nah. It's about Megyn. Cruz is a bust on a downward spiral. Hanging out with open borders Glen Beck and Barton (got millions for aiding illegals) is a deal killer.
Over 50% of republican voters say the absolutely will not for an ineligible candidate. Go figure.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 26, 2016 08:30 PM (gAane)
Toupee glue is a helluva drug, right?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 08:32 PM (zLP1L)
yeah it pretty much does
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 08:25 PM (DUoqb)
No.
Godwin's Law is that the longer any discussion on the Internet goes forward, the probability of anyone being accused of being a Nazi tends towards 1.
That is what Godwin's Law is. It is almost always misquoted as "losing the argument."
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 08:32 PM (s5o+q)
I heard about it on the radio on the way home earlier but for some reason Yahoo News and Bing don't have stories up about it. Ah, well, it's just flyover country and it's not like anybody actually was shot, so no cause for concern.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at January 26, 2016 08:32 PM (P8951)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at January 26, 2016 08:32 PM (b99VK)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 26, 2016 08:32 PM (2cS/G)
"China warns Soros against 'declaring war' on its currency"
https://tinyurl.com/zx2kujs
Hm. You think China would take that evil SOB out?
Posted by: rickl at January 26, 2016 08:32 PM (sdi6R)
they won't. they will suddenly declare Cruz to be "Establishment" and go home.
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 08:32 PM (lVU49)
But my guess he's holding out for un secretary
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 26, 2016 08:27 PM (voOPb)
That terrifies me more than him being on Scotus. I don't know why, since UNSec doesn't do as much now as they used to. I guess they get invited to better parties, and have really expensive digs, based on the UN reps overseas. I can see why that would appeal. That and the graft.
Posted by: Moki at January 26, 2016 08:32 PM (7q2ch)
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 26, 2016 08:32 PM (FqI4R)
Full stop.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:21 PM (JIElb)
See, now if you applied your argument to THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, WHICH HAS GUARANTEED SINGLE PAYER FOR ALL, then you would have something here.
That was created in 2009, solidified in Roberts' ruling, and chiseled into stone by the do-nothing Republican Congress.
Trump had nothing to do with it. Your anger is directed at the wrong party (pun intended).
Try again.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 26, 2016 08:33 PM (TOk1P)
===
Are you counting all the married women he bragged about screwing?
Posted by: stace at January 26, 2016 08:33 PM (CoX6k)
BTW, one corollary that is accepted by Godwin himself is Quirk's Exception:
Intentional invocation of Godwin's Law is ineffectual.
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 26, 2016 08:32 PM (bZ7mE)
Your definition be better than mine.
I genuflect.
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 08:33 PM (s5o+q)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 08:28 PM (DUoqb)
I don't think Trump is the devil either, NGU, but I KNOW he is a crony capitalist to his very bones and I am not willing to give him a pass on things he has said in the past as they do represent what he considers to be acceptable public policy even if he is saying now that is not what he supports.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 08:33 PM (NPofj)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 26, 2016 08:33 PM (voOPb)
That is what Godwin's Law is. It is almost always misquoted as "losing the argument."
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 08:32 PM (s5o+q)
Yeah NO, and who made you expert on Godwin's Law? But hey if it makes you feel better, what ever. There are enough fights tonight.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 08:33 PM (DUoqb)
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 08:25 PM (zOTsN)
Calling out dishonesty by being dishonest. Most of the anti-trumpers here likely support Cruz. I do. I don't trust Trump or Rubio.
Posted by: Global Warming killed Abe Vigoda at January 26, 2016 08:33 PM (VRc/p)
Because you dislike the R, you will go out of your way to help the D, who hates you and everything you stand for, win?
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 26, 2016 08:33 PM (FqI4R)
----
I think the more pertinent question would be, "Would anyone care?"
Posted by: SMFH at January 26, 2016 08:34 PM (TKKli)
Posted by: Cadillac at January 26, 2016 08:31 PM (A3kYV)
All the cool kids do the "mic drop" nowadays.
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 08:34 PM (s5o+q)
Posted by: buzzion at January 26, 2016 08:34 PM (z/Ubi)
"After watching these guys try to save the world, you'll never thank another veteran for their service ever again."
------------
“that is the craziest son of a bitch I have ever seen. How many others could there be out there?”
Posted by: Ge. Stillwell re Wild Bill Kelso at January 26, 2016 08:34 PM (oFSUK)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:29 PM (JIElb)
So you are being a dick by choice...
OK then....
and you... being the HAPPY WARRIOR Breitbart???
Talk about delusions of grandeur....
Posted by: Don Quixote at January 26, 2016 08:34 PM (f7rv6)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at January 26, 2016 08:34 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: Carol at January 26, 2016 08:34 PM (sj3Ax)
It'd be nice to see the Donald draw on Cruz's insider knowledge for one/two terms and then watch Cruz go on to win two elections after Trump's departure.
Posted by: Burn It Down at January 26, 2016 08:34 PM (5DJW4)
for the anti Trumpers I have a serious question
Why vote D if Trump is the nominee? Logically, whats your reasoning?
To me it doesntmatter because it still punishes the GOP
but you dont want that. Why vote D then?
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 08:34 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Weasel at January 26, 2016 08:34 PM (e3bId)
As much I depsise the Republicans and want the GOP to die, I would never ever go and vote for a fascist totalitarian!
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 26, 2016 08:35 PM (FqI4R)
Almost where you are. I'm willing to vote for Trump or Cruz or else sitting this one out. This is such a shit show. I really don't like anyone all that much. It just can't be more of the same hope and change BS for the last 7 yrs. So, that's why I'm willing to vote for Trump. I just want a damn wall.
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 08:35 PM (2x3L+)
necessary first step is to kill the one thing standing in its way: The
Republican Party.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 26, 2016 08:30 PM (TOk1P)
Seems that the Democratic Party is also standing in the way, no?
So why should I vote for either of them if neither of their candidates even pays lip service to the Constitution?
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 08:35 PM (lVU49)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 08:33 PM (DUoqb)
*shrug*
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 08:35 PM (s5o+q)
Posted by: edmundburkesshade at January 26, 2016 08:35 PM (cmBvC)
I think, in the last, oh, thousand GOP debates or so, we can sort of predict what each will say at this point.
Megyn Kelly, smart, pretty, yada, well, her head is swelling ala Bloviate O'Reilly with false eyelashes. She is a moderate. Ok. But the fact that she does not even bother to hide her bias against Trump should disqualify her for moderating a debate. See: a skinnier version of Cathy Fatso Crawley vs Romney.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at January 26, 2016 08:35 PM (7lqMl)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 08:26 PM (39g3+)
Try judging people by the company they keep. Sometimes it is a good indicator.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 26, 2016 08:35 PM (T78UI)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 08:35 PM (lVU49)
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 08:33 PM (NPofj)
Then don't vote for him, I don't give a rat's ass. i support Cruz. But calling him a crony capitalist makes no sense what so ever. He is a builder and developer, who do you think he hangs out with, bums on the Bowery?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 08:35 PM (DUoqb)
Of course Trump is popular, he's a Socialist with Nationalist trimmings.
A sure-fire recipe for attracting the malcontents and sub-achievers.
Posted by: Lincolntf a
***
Hmmm. Like, um, wait , um, oh I know! Hitler!!!
Bzzzzt. You lose. Godwin's Law. It's over.
Posted by: oddnot not liking these times at January 26, 2016 08:35 PM (g1MTt)
Posted by: Global Warming killed Abe Vigoda at January 26, 2016 08:33 PM (VRc/p)
____
You mis-spelled Clinton.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 08:35 PM (0LHZx)
Breaking Burns Oregon: Reports of Shots Fired - Casualties and Hospital Lockdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVWykMKiOjU
Posted by: The Political Hat at January 26, 2016 08:35 PM (vBeA5)
Posted by: rickl at January 26, 2016 08:32 PM (sdi6R)
They have the hackers to steal all his money and his ID.
I'd forgive some Chi Com barbarity if they did that. Not all, but some for sure.
Take that evil fuck down! Didi Mao!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 08:35 PM (zLP1L)
Posted by: Carol at January 26, 2016 08:36 PM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: Cadillac at January 26, 2016 08:31 PM (A3kYV)
WE NEED AFFIRMATIVE CONSENT HERE!
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 26, 2016 08:36 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 08:29 PM (zLP1L)
Good enough for me, and I'd happily vote for Cruz if he gets the nod. I just think he's facing an uphill fight since he'll have such a small advertising budget for the general campaign. His ads will be outnumbered about 3 or 4 to 1 if the big GOP backers go with Hillary. This country's so dominated by the LIV's that the thought of that does not fill me with any sort of confidence.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at January 26, 2016 08:36 PM (HalrA)
Posted by: SMFH at January 26, 2016 08:36 PM (TKKli)
I think this would be great -- for Cruz, because he'd slaughter
Trump in a debate, but not so great for Donald, so I don't see this
happening. Trump is weak in debates, and Cruz is a shark.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 08:31 PM (39g3+)
I suspect you are right CT but I would love to see such a one on one debate as I think it would be very illuminating.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 08:36 PM (NPofj)
This appeal is not working this cycle. Patience is at an end.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 08:36 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 08:25 PM (zOTsN)
Calling out dishonesty by being dishonest. Most of the anti-trumpers here likely support Cruz. I do. I don't trust Trump or Rubio.
Posted by: Global Warming killed Abe Vigoda
no most of NRO is Rubio
and when directly asked, they will not answer
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 08:36 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 08:36 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 26, 2016 08:36 PM (FqI4R)
Posted by: Burn It Down at January 26, 2016 08:36 PM (5DJW4)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at January 26, 2016 08:37 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: steevy at January 26, 2016 08:37 PM (8HTq1)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 26, 2016 08:32 PM (2cS/G)
Lets see.... one made money in business...
one made money while in Government...
easy choice...
Posted by: Don Quixote at January 26, 2016 08:37 PM (f7rv6)
Posted by: Chi at January 26, 2016 08:37 PM (I7I0v)
Posted by: rfichoke at January 26, 2016 08:37 PM (xZEwe)
Cruz has a long and storied history of being a constitutionalist
Posted by: redbanzai
"long"
Senator for 3 years, most of it spent out of town doing other things ala Rubio. The LCF had the 2nd worst attendance record in the Senate.
"storied"
Just have to trust you on that. Haven't read the the old Norse sagas of Tedward the Red.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 26, 2016 08:37 PM (kdS6q)
He's not my favorite candidate, but he sure has a set of balls on him.
Posted by: ALH at January 26, 2016 08:37 PM (Z56vq)
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 08:33 PM (NPofj)
Then don't vote for him, I don't give a rat's ass. i support Cruz. But calling him a crony capitalist makes no sense what so ever. He is a builder and developer, who do you think he hangs out with, bums on the Bowery?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 08:35 PM (DUoqb)
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Yeah. Let's see, he's a super rich guy who builds big stuff in New York City. Hmmm and you say he donated money to Democrats (you know the people who he needs to bribe in order to get things done)? That's shocking!!!
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 08:37 PM (0LHZx)
It'd be nice to see the Donald draw on Cruz's insider knowledge for one/two terms and then watch Cruz go on to win two elections after Trump's departure.
Posted by: Burn It Down at January 26, 2016 08:34 PM (5DJW4)
I still think if Reagan can choose Pappy Bush - which was a much deeper and longer feud - than Trump would do very wisely by picking Cruz. On many fronts.
I hope he does. IF he wins.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 08:37 PM (zLP1L)
Posted by: cm9000 at January 26, 2016 08:37 PM (2TUVm)
Posted by: guy keeping track of dead colonels at January 26, 2016 08:37 PM (8CdUx)
Posted by: Weasel at January 26, 2016 08:37 PM (e3bId)
Here's the deal TrueCons--you're either serious about media bias or you're not. If you're not with Trump on this, you're not. Taking back the narrative from the media means taking it back from Fox News too.
Pass on the debate. I'll watch Trump's townhall if he has one.
Posted by: Mr. Estrada at January 26, 2016 08:38 PM (Cxvpb)
I can certainly understand not voting, but not going to vote for your mortal enemy. That makes no sense.
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 26, 2016 08:38 PM (FqI4R)
he gets the nod. I just think he's facing an uphill fight since he'll
have such a small advertising budget for the general campaign. His ads
will be outnumbered about 3 or 4 to 1 if the big GOP backers go with
Hillary. This country's so dominated by the LIV's that the thought of
that does not fill me with any sort of confidence.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at January 26, 2016 08:36 PM (HalrA)
Boots on the ground matter way more, Cato, than ads and robocalls that voters HATE with a passion and quickly tune out.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 08:38 PM (NPofj)
If they feel emboldened or if they feel as if somebody's in their corner, then I've done my Andrew Breitbart for the day.
Posted by: AmishDude
http://tinyurl.com/ztwcuws
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 26, 2016 08:38 PM (FkBIv)
I will have to assume logically everyone who hates Trump would have to
be supporting Cruz, warts and all, as the closest thing to a
constitutional conservative in the race. If you're not, please shut the
ever living fuck up.
Posted by: Burn It Down at January 26, 2016 08:36 PM (5DJW4)
i approve of this message
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at January 26, 2016 08:38 PM (0O7c5)
It's not me. I've emphasized that 1000 times. It's Trump. It's all Trump.
And if you don't like somebody being insulting on a stupid blog thread, then how can you, in any way, countenance Donald Jackass Trump?
No quarter for this guy or for the wrestling fan-type thinking. I'm not giving up.
You're the one running around on threads calling anyone who would possibly vote for Trump stupid
They are stupid.
And so are the people who go to Medicine Shows and send checks to Nigerian Princes.
It's all the same and it's stupid.
And why wouldn't you want to behave better than the United States Presidential Candidate Donald Trump?
Because this is politics now. Crude yelling. Wrestler posturing. That's what it is. If you give Trump any room, any at all, then you have no room to complain about this. You can't allow for Trump and forbid Trumpianism.
It's all Trump and that's all I'm focused on.
I have never insulted you.
I take your point and I apologize if I sent you, L'Elle or eleven a personal insult.
You really should stop and shut your damn mouth.
Maybe I spoke too soon.
No, no, I'm better than Trump. I'll stick by the apology.
If any cob or Ace was paying attention, you should be banned for all the shit and accusations that you throw at people.
Ace follows me on Twitter, he can send me a message anytime.
I'll simply tell the truth until I can't.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:38 PM (JIElb)
Breitbart wouldn't be attacking Trump supporters. He'd be attacking Sanders, Obama, and Clinton. He was on target, and knew who the enemy was in the war.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 08:38 PM (39g3+)
*smh
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at January 26, 2016 08:38 PM (5csB/)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 26, 2016 08:38 PM (MNgU2)
Posted by: E.T. at January 26, 2016 08:38 PM (yq4gk)
Pretty sure only a Nazi would say that.
Posted by: AD at January 26, 2016 08:38 PM (QWY55)
his positions with reason, logic and cogent debate. I understand where
he falls short as well.
Far too many Trump supporters do not. And frankly, Trump's record is far more suspect than Cruz's.
Will I vote Trump if he gets the nod? Of course. And I demand the same from Trump supporters if the opposite happens.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 08:29 PM (zLP1L)
Of all the remaining Republican candidates, I would gladly vote for Cruz if he was nominated. I would consider voting for Trump, but honestly, I probably would not.
I can say with absolute certainty I would not vote for anyone else remaining in the race. None of them.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 26, 2016 08:38 PM (TOk1P)
How do you know this?
Quite a few NRO contributors are actually pro-Cruz themselves.
I think there might even still be a handful who are pro-Jeb! (poor souls)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 08:38 PM (lVU49)
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 08:37 PM (0LHZx)
that's the kind of crap that made me hate you. Bribes? And you can prove that of course? Or is that just the usual shit you blow out of your ass?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 08:39 PM (DUoqb)
Cruz has raised a shit ton of money in recent months as he has risen to the #2 spot. I suspect that will continue and grow should he beat Trump.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 08:39 PM (zLP1L)
Do you have any opinions about Roswell?
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:39 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Sho Nuff at January 26, 2016 08:39 PM (CWImE)
Posted by: Yip... eating Fritos at January 26, 2016 08:39 PM (e7T6D)
I would not vote D. I would probably vote Libertarian.
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 08:35 PM (lVU49)
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I would not vote D. I probably would not vote at all at the national level. I'm somewhat open to being persuaded by Cruz, cautiously. But if the election were today? I'd shave my legs.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 08:39 PM (dFi94)
I have to disagree, I think Trump is a lightening rod for all the former and current republicans who are fed up with eating the shit sandwiches the GOPe has been feeding us for the last 12 years.
He HAS moved the Overton Window and has opened up discussions on illegal immigration and border security and the muslim invasion. He hasn't been afraid to take on the PC crowd and we are beginning to see some cultural push back in that arena also. Trump is no conservative, but he just might be an old fashioned liberal. I like Cruz and will have no problem voting for him, but I suspect that it's Trump that has the chops to take on Congress and actually get stuff done that needs doing. I'll take Trump over Hillary or Bernie because neither is smart enough nor sane enough to get near the football or the Treasury.
Posted by: rabidfox at January 26, 2016 08:39 PM (EW9tX)
*smh
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at January 26, 2016 08:38 PM (5csB/)
Jan Brady syndrome.
OT: Older Eve Plumb was a hottie.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 08:40 PM (zLP1L)
Levin was screaming at Trump for the birth place thing. Turns out it is an issue for some people, even if it were already settle legally. They hear dual citizenship and are like ... wait, what?
Posted by: Illiniwek at January 26, 2016 08:40 PM (5Gpe2)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 26, 2016 08:40 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 26, 2016 08:40 PM (FqI4R)
I would not vote D. I would probably vote Libertarian.
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 08:35 PM (lVU49)
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As I said your really a dam, so go play with them
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 08:40 PM (DUoqb)
Posted by: SMFH at January 26, 2016 08:36 PM (TKKli)
Lol that is a good one.
Could you people slow down a little? I can't keep up.
Posted by: Blano at January 26, 2016 08:40 PM (heN73)
I will have to assume logically everyone who hates Trump would have to be supporting Cruz
Posted by: Burn It Down
Atm. But if the race were to change to Cruz v Rubio or Kasich, lotta these folks would unveil a profound new respect for electable moderates. Because Supreme Court appointments, dontchaknow.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 26, 2016 08:40 PM (kdS6q)
Pretty sure only a Nazi would say that.
Posted by: AD at January 26, 2016 08:38 PM (QWY55)
Only a Nazi would accuse somebody of being a Nazi.
Posted by: Franz Kafka, setting a trap at January 26, 2016 08:40 PM (s5o+q)
Posted by: guy keeping track of dead colonels
He could have promoted himself to six star general.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 26, 2016 08:40 PM (FkBIv)
It appears Megyn Kelly is a partisan hack (what with the question-asking and all). But I guess she's the wrong party. Trump needs a Democrat partisan hack.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:40 PM (JIElb)
Wow. That's what I expect from a Trump supporter.
Posted by: Global Warming killed Abe Vigoda at January 26, 2016 08:40 PM (VRc/p)
Posted by: L, Elle
I don't hate anyone because they like Trump. Heck, I'll likely vote for him and I've done my best to argue FOR Trump with my family who loathes him (and no, they are not squishes or RINOs).
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 26, 2016 08:40 PM (bZ7mE)
Posted by: PaleRider at January 26, 2016 08:40 PM (dkExz)
At some point you have to walk away and fuck the media and their talking points when they don't get their way
Posted by: Cadillac at January 26, 2016 08:40 PM (A3kYV)
Posted by: Stay out da Bushes at January 26, 2016 08:40 PM (rZJS9)
support Cruz. But calling him a crony capitalist makes no sense what so
ever. He is a builder and developer, who do you think he hangs out
with, bums on the Bowery?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 08:35 PM (DUoqb)
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Yeah. Let's see, he's a super rich guy who builds big stuff in New
York City. Hmmm and you say he donated money to Democrats (you know the
people who he needs to bribe in order to get things done)? That's
shocking!!!
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 08:37 PM (0LHZx)
He has used his wealth and political connections to gain more wealth that he otherwise would not have have gained in a free market. That, my friends, is the very definition of crony capitalism.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 08:40 PM (NPofj)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at January 26, 2016 08:41 PM (0O7c5)
How do you know this?
Quite a few NRO contributors are actually pro-Cruz themselves.
I think there might even still be a handful who are pro-Jeb! (poor souls)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 08:38 PM (lVU49)
you must not read the posts here or Ace's tweets. They are for Rubio
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 08:41 PM (zOTsN)
Amish Dud and chemicaljeff holding forth--that explains a good 50% of it. Gonna be a long year for those two. And anyone else trapped in a thread with them. Two miserable dudes.
Posted by: anti-socialist at January 26, 2016 08:41 PM (o9lmn)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 08:41 PM (zLP1L)
Sometimes, people associate with others because they are hired to do a job.
Like a lawyer.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 08:41 PM (39g3+)
That would be Despair and Stasis?
Which is what the GOPe offers.
And how is THAT a better plan?
Cause the stasis would start now before any recovery and the Despair we already have.
And what Cruz is offering is somewhere in between. Plus his secret fans in the GOPe have got me concerned about his true aims. Which I already had a feeling about but they've now been shown to have a basis in reality.
I don't especially like Trump but I don't see anyone else I'd trust or has the nerve to do what needs to be done to secure our borders and roll back some of the crappy deals we've allow to be foisted off on us by the Democrats and the GOPe.
And if some jackholes with no real sense get butthurt in the meantime then I'm okay with that. I'm just disappointed to see it come from people here.
Cruz is not a 'conservative' HE'S the wolf in sheep's clothing. Read some of the stuff He's said years ago. Back when he was a Canadian.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 08:41 PM (Xo1Rt)
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Okay, truce?
Go back to the lawyer hate. That's a shtick that works.
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 08:41 PM (2x3L+)
We are equals whether you like it or not.
I am not a second-class citizen because I am not a Christian.
Posted by: eman at January 26, 2016 08:41 PM (mR7Es)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 08:09 PM (ubByS)
Speaking of Russians, did you know Putin Trolls are agitating for Trump?
I've already caught a few on Twitter.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:41 PM (JIElb)
Trump Steaks!
Posted by: Yip... eating Fritos at January 26, 2016 08:42 PM (e7T6D)
I guess I'd vote for Trump but it's worrisome.
I won't vote for any of the other GOPe candidates no matter what.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 26, 2016 08:42 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 08:38 PM (39g3+)
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Not all of the enemies have a D behind their name. I think we have infiltrators. "We" meaning the Republicans.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 08:42 PM (dFi94)
Godwin's Law is that the longer any discussion on the Internet goes forward, the probability of anyone being accused of being a Nazi tends towards 1.
That is what Godwin's Law is. It is almost always misquoted as "losing the argument.
--
You sound just like Hitler.
*wink*
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 26, 2016 08:42 PM (t5zYU)
Posted by: IC at January 26, 2016 08:42 PM (+3RH+)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 26, 2016 08:40 PM (2cS/G)
I believe you. As I said at the get go I did not think that was your intend...It's just using those 2 words in the same sentence rubs some the wrong way. That's all.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 08:42 PM (DUoqb)
There are so many commentators who seem to throw their integrity out the window during the primary season, but you're one of the few who have kept a level head and I feel I can trust. Thank you.
Posted by: Village Idiot at January 26, 2016 08:42 PM (bf86X)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 08:39 PM (DUoqb)
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WTF? Did you like literally just fall off the turnip truck?
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 08:42 PM (0LHZx)
Trump would have to be supporting Cruz, warts and all, as the closest
thing to a constitutional conservative in the race. If you're not,
please shut the ever living fuck up.
Posted by: Burn It Down at January 26, 2016 08:36 PM (5DJW4)
Way too many of the anti-Trumps simply refuse to tell who they are supporting. I would have to think if they are Cruz supporters the vitriol would be a tiny fraction of what we are seeing here.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 26, 2016 08:43 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 26, 2016 08:43 PM (FqI4R)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 08:41 PM (Xo1Rt)
Trump / DeBlasio '16
"It's gonna be so incredible, you can't imagine how incredible it's gonna be!"
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 08:43 PM (zLP1L)
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 08:39 PM (dFi94)
yeah, sigh, that might be the most productive use of time :/
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 08:43 PM (lVU49)
betty white died?
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at January 26, 2016 08:41 PM (0O7c5)
She had a heart attack while driving a stake through Abe Vigoda's heart.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 26, 2016 08:43 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 26, 2016 08:43 PM (FkBIv)
Dang! It's gone total retard in here!
Posted by: Yip
Grab a jar of Elmer's Art Paste to munch on and enjoy the show.
Mmmm - yummy in my tummy!
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 26, 2016 08:43 PM (kdS6q)
2. Setting up a new party to be up and ready to go by 2018.
Piece of cake really. Much easier than taking over the party.
Because it's politicians who run for offices. For all the talk of the Whigs, all of the Republicans in 1856, 1860, 1864 were just old Whigs.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:43 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 08:43 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: eman at January 26, 2016 08:41 PM (mR7Es)
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Did someone tell you that you were? Tell me who and I'll swat 'em.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 08:43 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Chief Clifford ! at January 26, 2016 08:43 PM (e7T6D)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 08:43 PM (DUoqb)
Posted by: guy keeping track of dead colonels
He could have promoted himself to six star general.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 26, 2016 08:40 PM (FkBIv)
Hell, he basically owned a country. He could have named himself emperor of the universe and no one would have questioned him.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 08:43 PM (NPofj)
I hope he does. IF he wins.
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The argument against that was that by picking Cruz Trump would lose crossover and independent votes, but I don't agree. Trump would continue to draw those kinds of voters while Cruz's presence would quell the constitutional purists. Between the two of them they have more than 50% support of the caucuses. It would be insane not to join forces once the dust settles. That's going to be Trump's first big major test.
Posted by: Burn It Down at January 26, 2016 08:44 PM (5DJW4)
In this case he's almost certainly right: you don't get big building projects done in a big city without palms getting greased. It would be astounding if Trump managed to get all that stuff built in New York City over the last 40 years without paying bribes.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 08:44 PM (39g3+)
I've already caught a few on Twitter.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:41 PM (JIElb)
Hmm . . . (taps cheek pensively with index finger while pondering the implications) . . .
Posted by: Franz Kafka, setting a trap at January 26, 2016 08:44 PM (s5o+q)
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 08:40 PM (NPofj)
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It's called doing business in America. Sorry to break the news to you. There's also no Santa Claus.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 08:44 PM (0LHZx)
not shy. Trump is a Nationalist with Socialist leanings, any Godwin-ing
is happening in your own pea-brains.
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 26, 2016 08:40 PM (2cS/G)
You're a liar. You have no more credibility here. None.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 26, 2016 08:44 PM (TOk1P)
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read up on it. it's not like he hasn't said anything.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at January 26, 2016 08:44 PM (Cq0oW)
I have noticed that any time a Republican wants to shit on the base he claims loudly "ITS WHAT REAGAN WOULD DO"
and anytime a conservative wants to justify shitting on another conservative he loudly proclaims "ITS WHAT BREITBART WOULD DO"
its sort of a "tell" and not very convincing
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 08:44 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at January 26, 2016 08:41 PM (0O7c5)
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Srsly? It has be related to Abe Vigoda. There must be a connection.
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 08:44 PM (2x3L+)
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If it's Cruz, sure. But none of the others.
Posted by: Methos at January 26, 2016 08:45 PM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: BurtTC at January 26, 2016 08:43 PM (TOk1P)
Why? Because they are both "anti-Establishment"?
Cruz is "anti-Establishment" with principles. Trump has no principles and a great many of us who have witnessed Obama's lawless presidency find that very very very disturbing. In this case the enemy of my enemy is NOT my friend.
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 08:45 PM (lVU49)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 08:45 PM (zLP1L)
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 08:45 PM (zOTsN)
I dunno. I'm pretty sure Sean Hannity is free of anti-Trump bias since Hannity practically fawns over the guy whenever they talk. Laura Ingraham, a Fox regular, maybe doesn't like Trump the man but loves the populism he represents. Other pundits are carefully non-antagonistic--or at least as much as they can be.
Insofar as Megyn Kelly is concerned, she was out-of-line during that debate, allowing her detestation of the man--which I share--to causeKelly to behave adversarially and unprofessionally.
Lookit: this guy may very well be our nominee and I may be forced to vote for his sorry ass in the general. Okay, all right, fair is fair so I'll hold my nose and do it. ButI gotta say Trump's peevish, thin-skinned whining is pretty rich coming from a man who goes after his opponents personally at every opportunity. You get what you give.
Posted by: troyriser at January 26, 2016 08:45 PM (+UeSQ)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 08:45 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at January 26, 2016 08:44 PM (Cq0oW)
Thats just it. I have.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 08:45 PM (zLP1L)
Posted by: rickl at January 26, 2016 08:12 PM (sdi6R)
They're all over Twitter.
The Stormfront crowd has crawled out of the shadows with Trump. They're everywhere now.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:46 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 08:38 PM (NPofj)
I keep hearing that, but experience tells me that the way you talk to the LIV crowd is through their TV's, and there's a lot of blue collar Democrats (the definition of LIV since they've been voting against their interests for decades) out there who are fed up with Obama and prime targets for poaching.
Either way you slice it, we're going to need to find more voters somewhere because the way the Republican coalition has fractured. I don't think there's enough base to put a candidate over the top just relying on it alone.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at January 26, 2016 08:46 PM (HalrA)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 26, 2016 08:46 PM (2cS/G)
Because those folks will have been lied to and deceived by their party, the "rebel" who was supposed to screw that party, the media, the establishment... And those jobs will still be gone, and those magical trade deals will never materialise... And they will have absolutely nothing left to lose. They will be profoundly and rightfully pissed, and simultaneously unmoored from any hope of legitimate representation. That is what I fear.
Posted by: The honest truth at January 26, 2016 08:46 PM (V2J5u)
Posted by: Weasel at January 26, 2016 08:46 PM (e3bId)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 26, 2016 08:46 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 26, 2016 08:46 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Engineer Scott, in the Hamster Room at January 26, 2016 08:46 PM (s5o+q)
The enemy is the state and all who support it. As far as I can tell, Trump is just fine with the centralized nation state and all of its abuses of liberty. He simply wants to be in charge of it to "do it better." But it's still tyranny no matter who's in charge.
Posted by: rfichoke at January 26, 2016 08:46 PM (xZEwe)
Posted by: steevy at January 26, 2016 08:46 PM (8HTq1)
you are mad because they arent voting for YOUR preferred Big Daddy
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 08:12 PM (zOTsN)
Nope. Sorry. That's projection.
Remember what I always say: Every United States president has been stupider than me.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:46 PM (JIElb)
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Have to concur. The way the race is playing out most people should be gravitating to Ace's own position, preferring Cruz but will vote for Trump too because they are the only two viable non-establishment candidates in the race.
Instead it's a lot of Cruz is Canadian and Trump is a democrat sociliast hitler-lite. I must have missed the part where Zombie Reagan was running and we had a third viable alternative.
Posted by: Burn It Down at January 26, 2016 08:47 PM (5DJW4)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 26, 2016 08:47 PM (Wckf4)
Jeesh, I don't know how you live with yourself, you're so perfect and smart and full of foresight.
Must be hell to be perfect like you.
Good to see you've got a strong ego. You're going to need it over the next few months.
We'll try to ignore any of your weeping rants and raves when it all falls apart for you when Cruz quits.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 08:47 PM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at January 26, 2016 08:47 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 26, 2016 08:47 PM (VdICR)
Posted by: Naes at January 26, 2016 08:47 PM (Ypc8j)
Posted by: Chief Clifford ! at January 26, 2016 08:47 PM (e7T6D)
Hope the cake is good and she gets her wish when she blows out all the candles.
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 08:47 PM (2x3L+)
Some Republicans didn't cotton to Reagan, either. In '76 and in '80.
He was an actor!!
He's a Democrat liberal!
He's old and dumb!
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 26, 2016 08:47 PM (FqI4R)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 26, 2016 08:47 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 08:13 PM (ubByS)
I know very little about wrestling, actually.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:48 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 08:48 PM (zOTsN)
Trump wants statues and accolades. He will sell everyone under the fucking bridge to get his yuuuuge, luxurious, great deals. He's gonna get his face on money! They're gonna put him on Mt. Rushmore! Meanwhile, the unitary executive marches on and the government beast grows unceasingly.
More and more it seems like people's objection to being ruled over isn't that they are unwilling to lay down for an emperor, it's just the particular emperor who's in charge now they don't like. So they are willing to lay down for Trump because they think he hates the people they hate. One would think after 50-60 years of getting caught up in middle east bullshit folks would fucking learn that the enemy of your enemy is not always your friend.
Posted by: flashoverride at January 26, 2016 08:48 PM (iQr18)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:46 PM (JIElb)
Pathetic.
Posted by: cm9000 at January 26, 2016 08:48 PM (2TUVm)
Yeah the Republic is dead, we're in the post mortem. Who wins what office is a matter of how it plays out at this point, not whether we can recover it.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 08:13 PM (39g3+)
"The price of liberty is occasional vigilance" -- SJS.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:48 PM (JIElb)
This is a constant problem with the press - we don't give a shit what they think. You don't like trump? Stuff it. Fox just lost some serious ratings on their debate. Which is money, idiots. Is Fox in the business of losing money?
The press is supposed to be the referees in the game. Once they suit up and start taking shots l I get pissed.
Posted by: George Orwell's Ghost at January 26, 2016 08:48 PM (VPvxh)
You're an idiot Burt, and have no credibility here, none. And you're a Nazi.
Posted by: Lincolntf
That "no personal insults just for someone holding a different opinion than you"?
More a broadly interpreted guideline.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 26, 2016 08:48 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Chief Clifford
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Alcohol good!
Posted by: Teh Donald at January 26, 2016 08:49 PM (+c55T)
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at January 26, 2016 08:49 PM (ixHcm)
No, Republicans wanted Gerald Ford instead. Ford, sweetheart of a guy, was a loser. But he was a damn fine Republican...loser.
And then the Republicans wanted George Bush in 1980, another loser and donkey.
What's my point?
I dunno.
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 26, 2016 08:49 PM (FqI4R)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 26, 2016 08:13 PM (2cS/G)
I know you didn't mean that come out as it did. I'd change some of that wording..Just saying
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 08:13 PM (DUoqb)
Looks exactly right to me.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:49 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Yip at January 26, 2016 08:49 PM (e7T6D)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at January 26, 2016 08:49 PM (0O7c5)
Trump is all in pro abortion. That is my "single issue."
I truly believe that helped usher in the downfall of our once great society.
And don't get me started on eminent domain (Kelo), the fact that he not only acknowledged, but bragged about buying politicians on national TV - meh. Fuck it. I am done. I have a bottle of bourbon calling my name and a doggeh that wants to take a walk. It's a beautiful night.
Bell well, Morons and morons alike. Somebody mop up the blood before Maet gets here, please.
Posted by: Chi at January 26, 2016 08:49 PM (I7I0v)
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 08:49 PM (dFi94)
Madison probably was smarter than all of us put together. Other than that, yeah they don't strike me as being enormously intelligent. Maybe Coolidge.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 08:49 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 26, 2016 08:49 PM (67CQz)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 08:14 PM (ubByS)
Trump is really more Mussolini with a little bit of Berlusconi thrown in.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:49 PM (JIElb)
Mrs928 watches that show. I say, if they ever found anything, it would be on the news, so you know they aren't going to find anything on this episode.
She does not care.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 08:50 PM (rwI+c)
November can't get here fast enough. *leaves*
Posted by: Jane D'oh
Current stats say this is all going be over about March 15th. Hence the desperate shouty voices.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 26, 2016 08:50 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 26, 2016 08:50 PM (bZ7mE)
He was an actor!!
He's a Democrat liberal!
He's old and dumb!
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Hindsight is always 20/20.
Posted by: Burn It Down at January 26, 2016 08:50 PM (5DJW4)
democrat sociliast hitler-lite. I must have missed the part where
Zombie Reagan was running and we had a third viable alternative.
Posted by: Burn It Down at January 26, 2016 08:47 PM (5DJW4)
*Golf clap*
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at January 26, 2016 08:50 PM (HalrA)
I doubt it. Probably run out of patience or money first.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 26, 2016 08:51 PM (67CQz)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 26, 2016 08:51 PM (+c55T)
Posted by: jewells45 at January 26, 2016 08:51 PM (CNHr1)
By Saturday I'm expecting someone here to start taking hostages.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 26, 2016 08:51 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 08:51 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: steevy at January 26, 2016 08:51 PM (8HTq1)
Posted by: Burn It Down at January 26, 2016 08:51 PM (5DJW4)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at January 26, 2016 08:52 PM (0O7c5)
Charming little thread.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill
They say it was built over an old Indian burial ground.
That's way the earth is -- uneasy.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 26, 2016 08:52 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 26, 2016 08:46 PM (2cS/G)
People here are seeing who you are.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 26, 2016 08:52 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 26, 2016 08:52 PM (wYnyS)
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 08:16 PM (NPofj)
But he's not Trump, so he falls short.
And so all fall short of the glory of Trump.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:52 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Yip at January 26, 2016 08:49 PM (e7T6D)
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Ha! that made me laugh
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 08:52 PM (dFi94)
It won't matter because the Trump supporters or those who thinking about voting Trump (2nd or 3rd on their list) they will be watching the Trump event instead of the debate. Plus they would take shots at him anyways along with the "unbiased" moderators.
And there were only supposed to be 6 debates before Iowa originally. The RNC added the one a couple weeks ago. There have been too many, especially since they have been worthless.
Posted by: Woo Woo at January 26, 2016 08:52 PM (tIe+m)
No toupee glue here.
He's taking a major hit as Iowans have found out he's not eligible.
There is a different poll about all Republicans not just Iowans that's 53% won't for for a non-natural born citizen.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 26, 2016 08:52 PM (gAane)
Cruz 2016
Posted by: another joe at January 26, 2016 08:52 PM (cE0sh)
Posted by: Sheriff Sam Cade at January 26, 2016 08:52 PM (e7T6D)
Presidential.
Totes presidential.
He's really got a problem with women.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:52 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 08:53 PM (2x3L+)
Please please. Call me a Nazi.
Or call me a cab just don't call me late for dinner.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 08:53 PM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:49 PM (JIElb)
That is the vibe I am getting. A weird fusion of Mussolini, Berlusconi, and Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 08:53 PM (lVU49)
*grumbles, kicks dirt *
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 26, 2016 08:51 PM (+c55T)
Ya dirty NAZI!
(Don't want you to feel left out, after all.)
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 08:53 PM (s5o+q)
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 08:49 PM (dFi94)
Only if I get to be the divine-right King.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at January 26, 2016 08:53 PM (HalrA)
Posted by: Weasel at January 26, 2016 08:37 PM (e3bId)
Splitter!
Posted by: rickl at January 26, 2016 08:53 PM (sdi6R)
Because Presidents are something special? Maybe.... I don't know.... touched by God or something?
I expect a minimum level of decorum in their public dealings. Particularly when they have control over the setting -- like Twitter.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:53 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: steevy at January 26, 2016 08:53 PM (8HTq1)
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 08:54 PM (zOTsN)
together. Other than that, yeah they don't strike me as being
enormously intelligent. Maybe Coolidge.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 08:49 PM (39g3+)
Say what?
Posted by: Zombie Thomas Jeffferson at January 26, 2016 08:54 PM (wYnyS)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 26, 2016 08:54 PM (MNgU2)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 26, 2016 08:18 PM (MNgU2)
But they do know the definition of "I won, so you have to shut up now!"
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:54 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: despair at January 26, 2016 08:54 PM (VrdxH)
" Think these guys are ever going to find any treasure on Oak Island?"
I doubt it. Probably run out of patience or money first.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 26, 2016 08:51 PM (67CQz)
i stopped watching mid last season
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at January 26, 2016 08:54 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: Blano at January 26, 2016 08:54 PM (heN73)
Let go people. Relax. You're not going to see the nation saved by the president. You're not going to see it destroyed - that job has already been done.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 08:54 PM (39g3+)
I am so glad the Hamsters swiped my IP so I don't bother reading comments during the day.
49
I'll bet if Megyn offered to straddle him while wearing a push-up bra, thong, and stilettos, he'd do the debate.
Ratings gold for Fox.
Posted by: Jane D'oh
Pay per View all time money event.
I might even watch.
Posted by: Gmac - Waiting on Colombus #two weeks my aching ass and screw Soothie, he asked for it at January 26, 2016 08:54 PM (4pjhs)
Posted by: Trumpius Maximus at January 26, 2016 08:54 PM (lVU49)
FOX, the people in charge of this debate put out as a disrespectful that it makes it impossible for a leading POTUS candidate to take part.
Frankly I'm glad the FOX people did it. Give Paul the spot and let him have at it.
Posted by: Drider at January 26, 2016 08:54 PM (6Xbsz)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 26, 2016 08:54 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 08:54 PM (rwI+c)
democrat sociliast hitler-lite. I must have missed the part where Zombie Reagan was running and we had a third viable alternative."***
Just thought I'd like to see this a third time.
I just can't get my panties as wadded up about Trump as some, since the argument is just over what type of paper you get your shit sandwich wrapped in.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 26, 2016 08:55 PM (Wckf4)
*grumbles, kicks dirt *
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 26, 2016 08:51 PM (+c55T)
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One time, Ace called me the Church Lady. I had to frantically search for a tissue and a butterscotch candy from the bottom of my purse. That's how upset I got.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 08:55 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: steevy at January 26, 2016 08:55 PM (8HTq1)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 26, 2016 08:55 PM (FkBIv)
Posted by: jewells45 at January 26, 2016 08:55 PM (CNHr1)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 26, 2016 08:55 PM (67CQz)
Anyone that doesn't see that is drinking too much kool aid. This man is NOT serious. He thinks the world will follow him and his HUGE ego.
Yes, he DOES sound like Peron or maybe Mussolini.
God help us.
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 26, 2016 08:55 PM (jJRIy)
Posted by: jewells45 at January 26, 2016 08:51 PM (CNHr1)
If any thread need hijacking, it's this one.
Posted by: rickl at January 26, 2016 08:55 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Zombie Thomas Jefferson
I've been reading all those volumes of stuff you said, and no sane or intelligent person could possibly be a genius.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 08:56 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: edmundburkesshade at January 26, 2016 08:56 PM (cmBvC)
Who let this fucking Nazi in here?
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 08:56 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 26, 2016 08:56 PM (xInes)
Posted by: Max Rockatansk
because hystrionics, hyperbole and name calling are preferable. Heck lets have a good old fashioned purge!
happy?
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 08:56 PM (zOTsN)
There you go again.
Ascribing thoughts that I and no one else I've seen have expressed even obliquely.
This is what is off putting. You're blatant and error prone hyperbole.
When ever I see someone exaggerating what someone else has said or claiming they said or inferred something they didn't, they either turn out to be a liberal Democrat or a zealot of another.
Try that on someone else, cause it doesn't work on me.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 08:56 PM (Xo1Rt)
please tone it down with personal attacks back and forth.
Any attack on a candidate is fair, but not on his supporters, and an attack on a candidate cannot be taken as an attack on you.
But broad brushed attacks on this group or the other are personal insults.
Knock them off.
Posted by: ace at January 26, 2016 08:56 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis
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I've been in touch with my banker to verify that my Home Equity credit line can be used for ransom. I'm good up to $3,000.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 26, 2016 08:56 PM (+c55T)
Only thing worse than Trump supporters and Cruz supporters insulting
each other are those that try to play both sides as the voice of reason
admonishing advocates.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 26, 2016 08:54 PM (MNgU2)
Right, let's just throw reason under the bus and go back to the screaming match. That'll help.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at January 26, 2016 08:56 PM (HalrA)
Show of hands, everyone who is NOT A NAZI?
(waits)
Now, keep your hands up, y'all. Now, everyone who IS INDEED A NAZI?
Uh-huh. I thought so.
And you all need more deodorant, and maybe a shower. Whew!
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 08:56 PM (s5o+q)
nation saved by the president. You're not going to see it destroyed -
that job has already been done.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 08:54 PM (39g3+)
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Bingo! That's it folks. Wrap up the thread because reality has just broken through.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 08:56 PM (dFi94)
Awesome!
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 26, 2016 08:57 PM (t5zYU)
Presidential.
Totes presidential.
He's really got a problem with women.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:52 PM (JIElb)
Is that true or a joke? I hope it's a joke.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 26, 2016 08:57 PM (MNgU2)
Posted by: Yip at January 26, 2016 08:57 PM (e7T6D)
He is doing exactly that by skipping the debate and putting on his own event in competition with it. He gets his message out AND hurts his competition at the same time.
Posted by: despair at January 26, 2016 08:57 PM (VrdxH)
A Politico article?
I note that they say he was always a bit further to the right than the average Republican....
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 26, 2016 08:57 PM (bZ7mE)
Posted by: Weasel at January 26, 2016 08:57 PM (e3bId)
All the others are certainly junk.
Trump is not the nightmare figure some say he is.
He's just Donald Trump.
Posted by: eman at January 26, 2016 08:57 PM (mR7Es)
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 26, 2016 08:57 PM (wYnyS)
Don't care. I'm anti-Trump.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:58 PM (JIElb)
(smiley face of an abashed kind)Posted by: ace at January 26, 2016 08:58 PM (dciA+)
To his credit, Ace has always argued with me politely. I consider him a gentleman (with a disgusting, dirty mind albeit).
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 08:58 PM (2x3L+)
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Trumps hair is funny. Weird funny, not 'ha, ha' funny.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 26, 2016 08:58 PM (+c55T)
Posted by: Zombie Abe Vigoda at January 26, 2016 08:59 PM (jJRIy)
Posted by: Jane D'oh trying to change the subject at January 26, 2016 08:59 PM (FsuaD)
You're kidding, right? Jefferson, Adams (both of them), Roosevelt (both of them), Lincoln, Eisenhower, Nixon...each in his way a brilliant man, with written and real-world accomplishments to prove it. I don't count Wilson because he only thought he was brilliant.
Posted by: troyriser at January 26, 2016 08:59 PM (+UeSQ)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 08:41 PM (Xo1Rt)
Yeah, that remark right there is maybe why Trump supporters like yourself aren't taken seriously and are easily maligned. Birther stuff, conspiracy theories, etc.
Posted by: Joanne at January 26, 2016 08:59 PM (hgBpU)
It's called doing business in America. Sorry to break the news to you. There's also no Santa Claus.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 08:44 PM (0LHZx)
First of all, moo, that is not an excuse. Crony capitalism is WHY we are having to fight so hard to secure our borders. Crony capitalism is WHY our economy is so schizophrenic (and completely the cause of this depression we are in). Crony capitalism needs to die if we are going to have a nation of laws and not of men.
Second, it is not so much that Trump has taken advantage of political influence that is the problem. Its that he is so entrenched in the system of crony capitalism that he brags about buying politicians and sees nothing wrong with what he has done. More importantly, his first and last inclination is not to let the free market do what it needs to do... its to spread the wealth and continue the system that has so enriched him.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 08:59 PM (NPofj)
in times like this i remember the words of my grandmother: There is no god, dreams are a lie, and you will die, like everything else, alone and afraid.
Posted by: ace at January 26, 2016 08:59 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 08:28 PM (DUoqb)
Trump is just the guy who invites the vampire in the front door.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:59 PM (JIElb)
Presidential. Totes presidential. He's really got a problem with women.
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Is that true or a joke? I hope it's a joke.
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Trump never made such a tweet but it's telling that Amishdude immediately believed it without verifying. He probably believes Trump started the war of 1812 too because he insulted the British's teeth. True story!
Posted by: Burn It Down at January 26, 2016 08:59 PM (5DJW4)
Posted by: Ace's Webcam at January 26, 2016 08:59 PM (lVU49)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 08:59 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 26, 2016 08:59 PM (t5zYU)
On the one hand, comparing something to Hitler or National Socialism CAN be a way to try to play a trump (no pun intended) card in order to win an argument without any further discussion. The argument then becomes about whether the person is a Nazi, not about the original argument.
By the same token, you can mention National Socialism or Nazis without trying to shut down discussion, but most people do when you bring it up. I am not saying any of the candidates on the R side are National socialists, mind. If a candidate did have a very strong nationalist/ethnic component, combined with a very strong militaristic and business component, the charge would be descriptive shorthand, not an attempt to win an argument.
However, people also invoke Godwin's to shut down discussion. You have people say that the other side called them Nazi's. The discussion then becomes about whether the other side called them Nazi's or not, not about the original issue.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 26, 2016 08:59 PM (iHjB5)
It is bad to be a Church Lady?
Posted by: edmundburkesshade at January 26, 2016 08:56 PM (cmBvC)
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I dunno. Life, love, liberty, forgiveness, grace, mercy and hope. I think being a Church Lady is a pretty good thing. Now I'm going to marry Church Man so I think things will only get better.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 08:59 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: edmundburkesshade at January 26, 2016 08:59 PM (cmBvC)
Posted by: Weasel at January 26, 2016 09:00 PM (e3bId)
I don't know about that. Not a bright man. I went to Wharton. Also, probably a gay!
Posted by: Donald Trump at January 26, 2016 09:00 PM (dciA+)
president. You're not going to see it destroyed - that job has already
been done.
Well, maybe not relax. Get on the knees and find religion. Gonna need it for Islam vs. the World.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at January 26, 2016 09:00 PM (uURQL)
What interested me was the W Bush reaction to Cruz and defense of GOP "politics as usual". Laura Ingraham referred to "Bushism" in one of the sidebars, and it's definitely a thing!
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 26, 2016 09:00 PM (wYnyS)
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 08:29 PM (2x3L+)
No...no, I still stand by the apology.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:00 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Gmac - Waiting on Colombus #two weeks my aching ass and screw Soothie, he asked for it at January 26, 2016 09:00 PM (4pjhs)
Posted by: jewells45 at January 26, 2016 09:00 PM (CNHr1)
So, how about that Abe Vigoda. He's still dead, right?
Posted by: Jane D'oh trying to change the subject at January 26, 2016 08:59 PM (FsuaD)
Hi Jane! How are you and your family and your son doing?
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 09:00 PM (lVU49)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at January 26, 2016 09:00 PM (L2AI2)
Posted by: blaster at January 26, 2016 09:00 PM (2Ocf1)
Posted by: ace at January 26, 2016 08:59 PM (dciA+)
Crap, I'm doing things out of order, again!
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 09:00 PM (s5o+q)
in times like this i remember the words of my grandmother: There is
no god, dreams are a lie, and you will die, like everything else, alone
and afraid.
Posted by: ace at January 26, 2016 08:59 PM (dciA+)
nice grandma you got there ace
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at January 26, 2016 09:01 PM (0O7c5)
Also a lot of other people.
Have you seen his disapproval ratings or are those the polls we are supposed to ignore?
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:01 PM (JIElb)
Until the next full noon, or so the legend goes.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 09:01 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 26, 2016 09:01 PM (+c55T)
Posted by: BurtTC at January 26, 2016 08:30 PM (TOk1P)
Your face hates your nose and you hate your face.
You know what to do.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:01 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Zombie Abe Vigoda at January 26, 2016 09:01 PM (jJRIy)
Posted by: Jane D'oh trying to change the subject at January 26, 2016 09:01 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: edmundburkesshade at January 26, 2016 09:02 PM (cmBvC)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 09:02 PM (rwI+c)
candiates has a chance of winning because a bunch of shortsighted
"conservatives" want a good show.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:03 PM (JIElb)
I want to know what the EFF AmishDude is going to DO.
You're 'not going to sit by', that means you're going to do something. Tell us what that is OH great and Mighty defender of 'Conservatism'?
Please, tell us. I'm dying to hear what great and mighty deeds you will perform to get the nation back on track where it belongs. (according to you and maybe chemjeff)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 09:02 PM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 26, 2016 09:02 PM (FkBIv)
WAIT A MINUTE!!! Show of hands, everyone who is NOT A NAZI? (waits)
Now, keep your hands up, y'all. Now, everyone who IS INDEED A NAZI?
Uh-huh. I thought so.
Posted by: filbert
"Hey good-a news piasans! Il Duce sezza we all get a change of underwear today!"
"OK! Tommaso, you change-a with Giovanni. Antonio you change-a with Angelo...".
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 26, 2016 09:02 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 26, 2016 09:01 PM (+c55T)
He got a glimpse at the comments of this thread and got a-skeered?
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 09:02 PM (s5o+q)
Posted by: ace at January 26, 2016 08:59 PM (dciA+)
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Your grandma for got to add "Just like Hitler" to the end of that.
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 09:02 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 09:02 PM (lVU49)
You know who else was fascinated by Godwin's law?
Hitler.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 26, 2016 09:02 PM (t5zYU)
Everything is a "deal killer" with Trumpsters.
Except the shit Trump does. Trump can do anything and he's being strategic.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:02 PM (JIElb)
Boy, if you hadn't specifically mentioned ace we'd been in a real pickle.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 26, 2016 09:02 PM (67CQz)
Hey Ace.. you ever watch the Silicon Valley series? I think you might like it.... a lot. You know... cause you're young and you'd get the humor... all start-uppy and technical?
Posted by: Yip at January 26, 2016 09:03 PM (e7T6D)
Posted by: Darth Trump at January 26, 2016 09:03 PM (JO9+V)
Posted by: ALH at January 26, 2016 09:03 PM (Z56vq)
Posted by: All Teh Meh at January 26, 2016 09:03 PM (yq2eR)
Posted by: edmundburkesshade at January 26, 2016 08:31 PM (cmBvC)
That's the real bottom line.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:03 PM (JIElb)
down discussion. You have people say that the other side called them
Nazi's. The discussion then becomes about whether the other side called
them Nazi's or not, not about the original issue.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 26, 2016 08:59 PM (iHjB5)
The "this discussion is over" usage of Godwin's exists because playing the Nazi card pretty much guarantees that any rational debate is over, and makes the whole thing degenerate into accusations and defensiveness. At that point, it's time to put the thread out of its misery.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at January 26, 2016 09:03 PM (HalrA)
You know what to do.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:01 PM (JIElb)
Call my lawyer?
Posted by: BurtTC at January 26, 2016 09:03 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 26, 2016 09:03 PM (iHjB5)
Television: A medium. So called because it's neither rare nor well done.
Ernie Kovacs
this is me, not watching the debates to begin with, but amused that Trump has, once again, confounded the usual suspects who believe they should be in charge.
this is why he's popular.
Posted by: redc1c4 at January 26, 2016 09:03 PM (KSaVA)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of
equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 09:02 PM (rwI+c)
================================================
My grandma played the accordion. While yodeling. Yeah. Top that.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 09:03 PM (dFi94)
Heh. Mike Hammer's Cat just crawled into Mike Hammer's Lap. Very
unusual. He's probably plotting something. He's a known Trump supporter.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 26, 2016 09:01 PM (+c55T)
One of our kittehs is sick. Vet appt. Friday.
*fights tears*
Posted by: Jane D'oh trying to change the subject at January 26, 2016 09:04 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Weasel at January 26, 2016 09:04 PM (e3bId)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at January 26, 2016 09:01 PM (0O7c5)
I didn't know ace had Hillary as a grandmother!
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 26, 2016 09:04 PM (wYnyS)
I ask because that seems to be the most appropriate historical comparison. I just don't know who is Marius today and who is Sulla...
Or who G. Julius Caesar is.
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 26, 2016 09:04 PM (bZ7mE)
We are equals whether you like it or not.
I am not a second-class citizen because I am not a Christian.
Posted by: eman at January 26, 2016 08:41 PM (mR7Es)
There is no such thing as "equals". I suppose you may be confusing the term with equality under law, but you surely understand this nation's laws are worthless today.
There is no legitimate claim to rights outside of an appeal to God's authority to grant them, as America's Founding Fathers did. Any other argument boils down to "because I said so", and is rendered worthless as soon as anyone disagrees.
Our rights are recognized because we choose to recognize them and enforce that recognition on governemnt.Anyone who can't be bothered for whatever reason has chosen to abandon them. Anyone who will not defend mine, whether it's a particular beef with me, or simply because they can't be bothered or don't believe in them in the first place, will receive no defense from me.It's not a question of whether anyone has those rights, just a prioritization of the effort to defend them.
eman, you have rights because the Trinity gave them to you when they Created you in their image, whether you like it or not. Further, I am reasonably confident based on your statements I can trust you to defend mine. Therefore out of reciprocity, I choose to recognize yours, and consider you an equal. This distinguishes you from the open borders crowd, as far as I'm concerned.
I hope that's enough for you, because it's all you're going to get from me.
Posted by: Methos at January 26, 2016 09:04 PM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: rickl at January 26, 2016 09:04 PM (sdi6R)
Hammer's Lap. Very unusual. He's probably plotting something. He's a
known Trump supporter.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 26, 2016 09:01 PM (+c55T)
How can you tell? Does he wear the "Make America Great" hat?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at January 26, 2016 09:04 PM (uURQL)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 26, 2016 09:04 PM (oVJmc)
Hitler.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 26, 2016 09:02 PM (t5zYU)
Paradox alert! Paradox alert!
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at January 26, 2016 09:04 PM (HalrA)
Just four words that should cheer you up:
Dick-stealing zombie midget
http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=64024
Posted by: SMFH at January 26, 2016 09:04 PM (TKKli)
Posted by: Gmac
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Were it sulphur dioxide, I would suspect that Yoko was in the Green Room.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 26, 2016 09:04 PM (+c55T)
Posted by: Aware at January 26, 2016 09:04 PM (HLYqz)
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at January 26, 2016 09:04 PM (uURQL)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:05 PM (JIElb)
You know what to do.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:01 PM (JIElb)
No, but seriously. I like my face. And it's not my nose.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 26, 2016 09:05 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 26, 2016 09:05 PM (Wckf4)
Posted by: The Barrel at January 26, 2016 09:05 PM (HalrA)
Posted by: Darth Trump at January 26, 2016 09:05 PM (JO9+V)
Presidential.
Totes presidential.
He's really got a problem with women.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 08:52 PM (JIElb)
I just checked Trump's Twitter account and there is no such tweet.
Posted by: Jen the original at January 26, 2016 09:05 PM (TKQrK)
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 09:05 PM (2x3L+)
Ace is German!!!
Posted by: eleven at January 26, 2016 09:05 PM (qUNWi)
Its kind of an internet copout. Someone could goose step into a forum, heil Hitler, call for Jews to be turned into lampshades, but nobody could mention Nazis or someone yells "Godwin! Godwin!"
There's a small amount of validity to the law, but only in specific areas. I tend to use other bad guys (Pol Pot, etc) to discuss evil but some stuff is actually Nazi. Cronyist economics is pretty well fascist.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 09:05 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Chelsea's infant daughter at January 26, 2016 09:05 PM (GgxVX)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 26, 2016 09:05 PM (+c55T)
Posted by: Jane D'oh trying to change the subject at January 26, 2016 09:05 PM (FsuaD)
Grandma Eisenbecker played the polka on her harmonica.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 09:05 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:05 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Country Singer at January 26, 2016 09:06 PM (GUBah)
Posted by: rickl at January 26, 2016 09:04 PM (sdi6R)
That could have been what Mike Hammer's Cat was telling him . . . Moar Cat Video Threds Plez!
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 09:06 PM (s5o+q)
You're
'not going to sit by', that means you're going to do something. Tell us
what that is OH great and Mighty defender of 'Conservatism'?
Please,
tell us. I'm dying to hear what great and mighty deeds you will perform
to get the nation back on track where it belongs. (according to you and
maybe chemjeff)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 09:02 PM (Xo1Rt)
Speaking only for myself:
It has to start with a decentralization of power, either with states asserting their rights or with the federal government finally recognizing long-neglected limits on their powers. It would HELP TREMENDOUSLY if we had an executive branch which would not fight tooth-and-nail against this decentralization. The biggest issue for me in this election really is executive power. It's just way too f'n big. It has to be trimmed down to size. Will Hillary do that? No. Will Trump do that? Absolutely not. Will Cruz do that? I think he would initiate a good start.
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 09:06 PM (lVU49)
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at January 26, 2016 09:06 PM (ixHcm)
Posted by: Zombie Abe Vigoda "
Abe ol' pal, the news hit me hard today. I didn't think the day would ever come. They broke the mold when they made you and the world will never see another.
*pours one out*
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 26, 2016 09:06 PM (67CQz)
Posted by: rfichoke at January 26, 2016 08:37 PM (xZEwe)
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I don't know about anyone else but I said when that happened he followed through on his word, even though I though he might be better served by going.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 26, 2016 09:06 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: flashoverride at January 26, 2016 08:48 PM (iQr1
Yes. Absolutely nailed it.
Posted by: rfichoke at January 26, 2016 09:06 PM (xZEwe)
grandmother: There is no god, dreams are a lie, and you will die, like
everything else, alone and afraid.
Posted by: ace at January 26, 2016 08:59 PM (dciA+)
Crap, I'm doing things out of order, again!
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 09:00 PM (s5o+q)
Awww honey......
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 09:06 PM (NPofj)
Posted by: Yip at January 26, 2016 09:06 PM (e7T6D)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 26, 2016 09:07 PM (+c55T)
Posted by: Yip at January 26, 2016 09:07 PM (e7T6D)
Posted by: Your Nose at January 26, 2016 09:07 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Country Singer at January 26, 2016 09:07 PM (GUBah)
Cruz is going down in flames because we have a Constitution that requires a candidate meet certain requirements. Article II Sec I.
Sorry to disappoint you. Facts 'be' facts.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 26, 2016 09:07 PM (gAane)
This appeal is not working this cycle. Patience is at an end.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 08:36 PM (rwI+c)
Exactly like Obama planned. Genius.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:07 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: eleven at January 26, 2016 09:07 PM (qUNWi)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 26, 2016 09:08 PM (oVJmc)
Like Trump wants to be.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:05 PM (JIElb)
Democrats are not trying to push unrestricted mexicans, so if that's what you mean by "Democrat President," then maybe that's what we need.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 26, 2016 09:08 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 08:54 PM (39g3+)
And that too.
Posted by: rfichoke at January 26, 2016 09:08 PM (xZEwe)
Uh oh.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 26, 2016 09:08 PM (67CQz)
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Started 1000 comments ago.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 26, 2016 09:08 PM (+c55T)
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 08:37 PM (0LHZx)
So is Trump lying now or was he lying then?
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:08 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Weasel at January 26, 2016 09:08 PM (e3bId)
Posted by: Jen the original at January 26, 2016 09:05 PM (TKQrK)
Ah, but do you have access to the Trump Insider Tweet Timeline? Believe me, it's yuge!
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 26, 2016 09:08 PM (wYnyS)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 09:05 PM (39g3+)
Pretty much. It becomes a de-facto planned economy, and with private ownership (mostly by friends of the politicians, since everyone else gets driven out of business by the central planners tilting the playing field). The only system where that's ever been a thing is fascism.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at January 26, 2016 09:08 PM (HalrA)
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 26, 2016 09:09 PM (kpqmD)
Posted by: Weasel at January 26, 2016 09:09 PM (e3bId)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 26, 2016 09:09 PM (oVJmc)
Breitbart hated Trump. There's a video on Youtube.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:09 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: no good deed at January 26, 2016 09:09 PM (GgxVX)
god, dreams are a lie, and you will die, like everything else, alone and
afraid.
"
life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% mortality rate.
Posted by: redc1c4 at January 26, 2016 09:09 PM (KSaVA)
Posted by: tonynoboloney at January 26, 2016 09:09 PM (02AXE)
Posted by: Methos at January 26, 2016 09:04 PM (ZbV+0)
Shorter Methos: "rights for me, but not for thee"
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 09:09 PM (lVU49)
Godwin's law doesn't mean anything about losing or ending a discussion. It's just an observation that people use Hitler as a universal objective morality reference point.
Given time, he will be referenced.
I wonder if we'll get a new reference for WWIII?
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at January 26, 2016 09:09 PM (uURQL)
Posted by: Dickie Betts fan at January 26, 2016 09:09 PM (aUQgu)
I ask because that seems to be the most appropriate historical comparison. I just don't know who is Marius today and who is Sulla...
Obama isn't bloody enough to be Sulla. Who preceded him?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 09:10 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: edmundburkesshade at January 26, 2016 09:10 PM (cmBvC)
Feeding a parasite does not get rid of it.
You have to poison it and/or cut it out/off.
Either completely or starve it out.
There's not much else to do and we've tried all the other routes.
We've starved it, argued with it, given it everything it demanded and yet somehow, none of that worked. In fact one could say it got stronger and meaner and more vicious and is even plotting to bring in another host to feed off of and kill us off first.
The only answer is a pre-emptive strike. Which of course you don't want to do. I personally believe that you make a living off the current situation.
Hell, If I wanted a Democrat, why wouldn't I just vote BERNIE and why have I been here for over 6 years (I think)?
I mean if you're going to ascribe ulterior motives to me and those who agree with me then why not go full out?
Have you now or have you ever voted for a Democrat? Well yes but that was back in 1972. Infidel Infidel don't you know you can never erase the stain of a Democrat vote or position? Ever. (does that mean that all those conservatives who used to be Democrats are included in this purge?)
Nonsense from AmishDud the Nonsensical.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 09:10 PM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at January 26, 2016 09:10 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 26, 2016 09:10 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 09:05 PM (39g3+)
What we now call "corporatism" or "crony capitalism" is pretty much the exact definition of the economic system under the 1930's fascist governments, of course.
Private ownership of companies persists, but there is near-total control of the companies by the government.
Sound familiar?
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 09:10 PM (s5o+q)
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January
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DID YOU JUST CALL ME A NAZI!!????!!
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 09:10 PM (2x3L+)
Like a slam job on Cruz at Politico should be taken seriously.
Posted by: Joanne at January 26, 2016 09:10 PM (hgBpU)
Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at January 26, 2016 09:07 PM (gAane)
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I could be wrong, and probably am, but it seems to me I only see your nic when the question of Cruz and "natural born citizen" is raised. Perhaps you are here during other discussions and I've just missed it, in which case I apologize for calling you a one-trick pony.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 09:11 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 26, 2016 09:09 PM (kpqmD)
Like a freshly shorn scrotum!
Posted by: Austin Powers at January 26, 2016 09:11 PM (JO9+V)
i can't keep up with the comments
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at January 26, 2016 09:10 PM (0O7c5)
You know the thread is heated when no one did the 1000? thing.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 26, 2016 09:11 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: seamrog at January 26, 2016 09:11 PM (HehlN)
Posted by: Weasel at January 26, 2016 09:11 PM (e3bId)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at January 26, 2016 09:11 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 26, 2016 09:11 PM (67CQz)
Posted by: Planned Parenthood at January 26, 2016 09:11 PM (NOIQH)
I can certainly understand not voting, but not going to vote for your mortal enemy. That makes no sense.
Posted by: the guy who always...
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It's called "Let It Burn," and I'm warming up to the whole thought of it.
F it. I have nothing to leave behind, and no one to leave it to anyway. Let. It. Burn.
Yeah, L - I'm still here for a minute. The thread is moving so damned fast. I didn't want to post & run (not that it would matter, actually- I'm kinda invisible around here).
Posted by: Chi at January 26, 2016 09:11 PM (I7I0v)
Posted by: Country Singer at January 26, 2016 09:11 PM (GUBah)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 26, 2016 09:02 PM (FkBIv)
I'm sure Moore will yabba dabba doo about 1. Gov. Snyder should be removed from office 2. the entire state of Michigan should be paying additional taxes to set up a fund to pay every resident of Flint who drank water millions of dollars 3. if we had socialized medicine and more government, this would have never happened. Oh, and it's racist too.
Posted by: Jen the original at January 26, 2016 09:11 PM (TKQrK)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:08 PM (JIElb)
I knew it! You ARE a lawyer!
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 09:11 PM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at January 26, 2016 09:11 PM (tEDMc)
in the dark. Now, go to sleep little fuzzball.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 09:12 PM (rwI+c)
This may have developed too quickly for that to happen. Or, he could have been planning this for a while. Either way, people will be watching.
And he's doing a lot through social media. He's getting attention. We're closing in on 1000 comments here. Free publicity!
Posted by: despair at January 26, 2016 09:12 PM (VrdxH)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at January 26, 2016 09:10 PM (0O7c5)
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You don't want to. When do pitchers and catchers report? Are we getting close?
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 09:12 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Corona at January 26, 2016 09:12 PM (ragzU)
Posted by: redc1c4 at January 26, 2016 09:09 PM (KSaVA)
The end result of being alive is always eventually being dead!
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 26, 2016 09:12 PM (wYnyS)
http://tinyurl.com/lxnyxpg
And I'm outta here.
Posted by: Jane D'oh trying to change the subject at January 26, 2016 09:12 PM (FsuaD)
i can't keep up with the comments
Posted by: phoenixgirl
Executive Summary:
Trump ate my baby. Nazis.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 26, 2016 09:12 PM (kdS6q)
Yeah, the problem is that the existence of Godwin's Law tends to make it impossible to draw legitimate parallels. Sometimes things really are like Hitler....
Also, reading Godwin's own examples of what he was trying to stop indicates he was/is a lefty. He didn't like pro-gun people pointing out that Hitler didn't like civilian gun ownership, for one...
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 26, 2016 09:12 PM (bZ7mE)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 26, 2016 09:12 PM (FkBIv)
*grumbles, kicks dirt *
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 26, 2016 08:51 PM (+c55T)
NAZI!!!!
Posted by: Methos at January 26, 2016 09:12 PM (ZbV+0)
I think we have accomplished a lot here this evening.
Posted by: Weasel at January 26, 2016 09:11 PM (e3bId)
And aside from Abe Vigoda, no one died.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 26, 2016 09:12 PM (4ErVI)
I won't dispute that, though I think it's overblown. However, he's now poisoning those very positions because of his own personality, actions and support for him from white supremecists. If he really cared about the issue, he'd declare his work done and move on. He doesn't. The issue was just to raise his own profile.
He's using you. He'll turn on a dime in the general. He's said so.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:13 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Yip at January 26, 2016 09:13 PM (e7T6D)
Exactly. I think you can say China has fit the bill for the last 30 years. Although they are now having issues. The capitalist component gave them time, but in the end the system does not work.
Of course, given our current woes, you could argue that any system that involves people is doomed to failure, but there you go.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 26, 2016 09:13 PM (iHjB5)
I can't understand why that is a biased question.
Can some Trump fan explain this to me?
I'm getting sick of him.
Posted by: jwb7605 at January 26, 2016 09:13 PM (DofIg)
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This does not sound like a good situation. I hope no one is seriously injured.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 09:13 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Country Singer at January 26, 2016 09:11 PM (GUBah)
i see that on RT, any other media reporting it?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 26, 2016 09:13 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January
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DID YOU JUST CALL ME A NAZI!!????!!
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 09:10 PM (2x3L+)
Er, no, but I suppose I could if it would make you feel better.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 26, 2016 09:13 PM (kpqmD)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at January 26, 2016 09:13 PM (0O7c5)
When was Cruz naturalized? What date did he become a US citizen?
Oh I can answer for you: when he was born.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 09:13 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 09:12 PM (dFi94)
I think I heard the reporting date was Feb. 28.
Can't get here soon enough.
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 09:13 PM (s5o+q)
I hope that's enough for you, because it's all you're going to get from me.
Posted by: Methos at January 26, 2016 09:04 PM (ZbV+0)
We are quite different.
May you know the Peace of Landru.
Posted by: eman at January 26, 2016 09:14 PM (mR7Es)
Posted by: ace at January 26, 2016 08:59 PM (dciA+)
I'm pretty sure ace never had a grandmother, nor probably parents -- my theory is that he was calved from a glacier -- but damn that's poetry!
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 26, 2016 09:14 PM (1xUj/)
Posted by: mr burns at January 26, 2016 09:14 PM (1Arcq)
Posted by: Yip at January 26, 2016 09:13 PM (e7T6D)
like i said wayyy upthread -- Cruz should skip the FNC debate and have a one on one with Trump. Townhall style, or something similar.
And donate all proceeds to wounded warriors or whatever Trump was saying.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 26, 2016 09:14 PM (AkOaV)
Go back to the lawyer hate. That's a shtick that works.
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 08:41 PM (2x3L+)
Trump is worse than a laywer, he's a lawsuit machine.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:14 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:09 PM (JIElb)
Ever stop and think your own hate of Trump might be something like that?
Posted by: cm9000 at January 26, 2016 09:14 PM (2TUVm)
Can some Trump fan explain this to me?
I'm getting sick of him.
Posted by: jwb7605 at January 26, 2016 09:13 PM (DofIg)
because you're not allowed to violate Trump's safe space
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 09:14 PM (lVU49)
You mean like you shrugging off the super PAC run by McConnell's lawyer giving money to Cruz?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 09:14 PM (Xo1Rt)
Can't get here soon enough.
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 09:13 PM (s5o+q)
Boy, I'm wrong. Looks like Feb. 17-21, depending on the team.
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 09:14 PM (s5o+q)
It has to start with a
decentralization of power, either with states asserting their rights or
with the federal government finally recognizing long-neglected limits on
their powers. It would HELP TREMENDOUSLY if we had an executive branch
which would not fight tooth-and-nail against this decentralization. The
biggest issue for me in this election really is executive power. It's
just way too f'n big. It has to be trimmed down to size. Will Hillary do
that? No. Will Trump do that? Absolutely not. Will Cruz do that? I
think he would initiate a good start.
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 09:06 PM (lVU49)
I have no problem with a Cruz Presidency, nor do I think it would hurt if he were to try to push through an effort at reducing the size of the federal government.
I would greatly welcome both.
But I don't think the path to a smaller federal government starts in Washington. You correctly identify a possible solution: greater assertion of states' rights, but I think it is damn near impossible for ANYONE in Washington to create the movement in that direction to effectively make that change.
In other words, a states' rights movement is almost certainly going to have to come from the states.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 26, 2016 09:14 PM (TOk1P)
I'm outta here.
Posted by: seamrog at January 26, 2016 09:11 PM
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That's because you're a wimpy Nazi.
Quitter
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 09:15 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: redbanzai
"long"
Senator
for 3 years, most of it spent out of town doing other things ala Rubio.
The LCF had the 2nd worst attendance record in the Senate.
"storied"
Just have to trust you on that. Haven't read the the old Norse sagas of Tedward the Red.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 26, 2016 08:37 PM (kdS6q)
Laurie... you don't strike me as unread enough not to know that Cruz has argued more than a few cases in front of the SC and written more briefs for them than that. When I say he has a long history as a constitutionalist that is exactly what I mean and exactly what the FACTS support.
Please stop with the twisting of facts to support your guy. Like calling Cruz "the Canadian", it says more about your honesty than it says anything about Cruz.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 09:15 PM (NPofj)
Posted by: Country Singer at January 26, 2016 09:15 PM (GUBah)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:14 PM (JIElb)
did macy's discontinue his suits? /
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at January 26, 2016 09:15 PM (0O7c5)
You just can't help yourself, can you?
Full on scorpion mode.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 09:15 PM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: rebel flounder at January 26, 2016 09:15 PM (3dOE/)
Posted by: Mike at January 26, 2016 09:15 PM (I2Jm/)
Posted by: tonynoboloney at January 26, 2016 09:15 PM (02AXE)
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read up on it. it's not like he hasn't said anything.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at January 26, 2016 08:44 PM (Cq0oW)
It's right here, actually:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcUCLwWCihE
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:15 PM (JIElb)
Think about it.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 26, 2016 09:15 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 09:14 PM (lVU49)
That actually makes sense, unfortunately.
Posted by: jwb7605 at January 26, 2016 09:15 PM (DofIg)
I genuinely like a lot of you folks around here that are so passionately against Trump. However this all shakes out, I hope we can all get along again later and continue to have fun discussing what's really important in life.
Like the three B's... boobs, beer and bacon.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at January 26, 2016 09:15 PM (0OG8D)
Posted by: Bruce Jenner at January 26, 2016 09:16 PM (+c55T)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 09:16 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: steevy at January 26, 2016 08:46 PM (8HTq1)
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No, could have told you that during first episode ever, it one of those 'it's the thrill of the chase' things, though I don't see the thrill but it's slightly more interesting than anything else on at 9pm.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 26, 2016 09:16 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 26, 2016 09:16 PM (67CQz)
Ammon Bundy in custody. Two shot.
Posted by: rebel flounder at January 26, 2016 09:15 PM (3dOE/)
here we go
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at January 26, 2016 09:16 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: BurtTC at January 26, 2016 09:14 PM (TOk1P)
Check out Gov. Abbott's Texas Plan.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at January 26, 2016 09:16 PM (HalrA)
Posted by: Weasel at January 26, 2016 09:16 PM (e3bId)
I have no problem with a Cruz Presidency, nor do
I think it would hurt if he were to try to push through an effort at
reducing the size of the federal government.
I would greatly welcome both.
But
I don't think the path to a smaller federal government starts in
Washington. You correctly identify a possible solution: greater
assertion of states' rights, but I think it is damn near impossible for
ANYONE in Washington to create the movement in that direction to
effectively make that change.
In other words, a states' rights movement is almost certainly going to have to come from the states.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 26, 2016 09:14 PM (TOk1P)
Not just DC, that can't be the only place where the battle takes place, but it helps a great deal if you don't have a guy there who is actively fighting against you.
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 09:16 PM (lVU49)
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at January 26, 2016 09:16 PM (pq97T)
Posted by: rfichoke at January 26, 2016 08:46 PM (xZEwe)
Well said.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:16 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at January 26, 2016 09:13 PM (0O7c5)
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I don't know what it is, but when I hear that pitchers and catchers are starting back at spring training - I don't know - it's like there's hope that spring is really right around the corner. Baseball = happy times.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 09:16 PM (dFi94)
refuge now. Reporting and analysis indicates that they have been
instructed to leave by authorities and have indicated that they plan to
make a final stand.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 26, 2016 09:15 PM (GUBah)
Who is Blaine Cooper?
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 09:17 PM (NPofj)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 09:17 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Country Singer at January 26, 2016 09:15 PM (GUBah)
Blaine Cooper? The stolen valor highly-suspected-FBI-informant-from-the-bundy-ranch Blaine Cooper?
I don't see how this could go wrong.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 26, 2016 09:17 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: t-bird at January 26, 2016 09:17 PM (J3phO)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 26, 2016 09:13 PM (AkOaV)
Not out in the MSM as far as I know. Yet, anyway.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 26, 2016 09:17 PM (GUBah)
I can't understand why that is a biased question.
Can some Trump fan explain this to me?
I'm getting sick of him.
Posted by: jwb7605
Not a Trump voter but the answer is easy and one that Trump can't enunciate:
The question accepts the premises of the Left. If the GOP candidates do that, they'll loose each and every time.
Remember Newt's primary strength in debates? Yeah, like that.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 26, 2016 09:17 PM (W0RfD)
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 09:17 PM (2x3L+)
You have no idea.
But then again, you'd have to be perfect to have some idea.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:17 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Bruce Jenner at January 26, 2016 09:17 PM (+c55T)
I have it coming.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 09:17 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: jewells45 at January 26, 2016 09:17 PM (CNHr1)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 26, 2016 09:17 PM (AkOaV)
Yep, you have the correct douchebag. He's also made statements that he intends to die there.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 26, 2016 09:18 PM (GUBah)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at January 26, 2016 09:18 PM (67CQz)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 26, 2016 09:18 PM (+c55T)
Some Republicans didn't cotton to Reagan, either. In '76 and in '80.
He was an actor!!
He's a Democrat liberal!
He's old and dumb!
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 26, 2016 08:47 PM (FqI4R)
Yeah. They thought he was a liberal. 2 terms as a conservative governor.
You know, the old thing where you actually serve in an office and get a record before running for president.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:18 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at January 26, 2016 09:18 PM (COpZ4)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 26, 2016 09:19 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 09:19 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: ALH at January 26, 2016 09:19 PM (Z56vq)
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 26, 2016 08:47 PM (FqI4R)
Nobody was calling Reagan a "Democrat liberal" in 1976 and '80. The fear was that he was way too right wing - Gerald Ford was the moderate in 1976.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at January 26, 2016 09:19 PM (P8951)
pitchers and catchers are starting back at spring training - I don't
know - it's like there's hope that spring is really right around the
corner. Baseball = happy times.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 09:16 PM (dFi94)
i understand.....i feel the same.....
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at January 26, 2016 09:19 PM (0O7c5)
http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=358697
Posted by: Buzzion at January 26, 2016 09:19 PM (z/Ubi)
I'm a Trump supporter. I try and stick to supporting Trump but Trump takes a massive beating here so I explain that why I don't like Cruz and it is unavoidable when a guy that is not eligible is running it's going to get mentioned. Trump is mentioning it so it is news.
Even if Cruz were eligible, I dislike him. I find him to be a typical two-faced politician. His hiding loans from Goldman Sachs to his middle ground on the invasion (illegal immigration) tells me a lot about his character.
I'm not a one trick pony but until after Iowa and Cruz is on the descent (I believe) I will mention it since others have free reign to say the craziest things about Trump and his supporters.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 26, 2016 09:19 PM (gAane)
Posted by: rebel flounder at January 26, 2016 09:15 PM
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Any idea who the 2 were?
This is just getting real bad real fast.
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 09:19 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 09:17 PM (NPofj)
He's a "Marine" who forgot to show up for his first day of boot camp, changed his named, has a long criminal record, and was suspected by many at the Bundy ranch of being a government informant, since he kept asking a lot of... probing questions and seemingly trying to get people to say that they were there to "kill cops" and "overthrow the government" and such.
He is on the fringe outskirts of the militia / oathkeeprs / 3%er movement, which is uh... well, that's about as outskirted as you can get this side of a jail cell, I'd say.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 26, 2016 09:20 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 26, 2016 09:20 PM (JO9+V)
A second Clinton administration could mean a future Justice Barack Obama.
At a campaign event in Deocorah, Iowa on Tuesday, Hillary Clinton lit up when a voter asked her if she would consider appointing the president to the Supreme Court should she win the White House.
"Wow, what a great idea. No one has ever suggested that to me, I love that, wow," the Democratic presidential candidate responded. "He may have a few other things to do but I tell you that's a great idea."
Posted by: #TheCriminalHillaryClinton at January 26, 2016 09:20 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: redbanzai
Assumed you were talking about his Senate career. Am not familar with his box score in the Supes.
As for his being a Canadian, you gonna have to just suck that one up. He was born Canadian and had dual citizenship for virtually his entire life.
That's a fact. How that affects the "natural born" issue is a matter for the courts.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 26, 2016 09:20 PM (kdS6q)
There is no reason to have debates that include six other candidates that are polling in the 1% a week before the first primary.
And Megyn Kelly lost her debate interviewer card after the last debate she moderated.in which viewers, most loyal to fox were upset with her statements disguised as questions. Fox did this deliberately to provoke Trump. They have no interest in an actual debate, they want to turn Kelly loose on Trump and Cruz.
Posted by: Jen the original at January 26, 2016 09:20 PM (TKQrK)
Hmm. Family Research Council Pres. just endorsed... Cruz.
Posted by: Bruce Jenner at January 26, 2016 09:17 PM (+c55T)
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Well of course he did. He wouldn't endorse a Nazi.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 09:20 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 08:49 PM (39g3+)
They were OK, but Garfield was really smart. On the other hand, only Garfield proved a theorem.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:20 PM (JIElb)
I'm outta here.
Posted by: seamrog at January 26, 2016 09:11 PM
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That's because you're a wimpy Nazi.
Quitter
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 09:15 PM (2x3L+)
LOL, Elle.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 09:20 PM (NPofj)
That should help me recover from the miasma which is this thread.
I tried, people, I really did . . .
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 09:20 PM (s5o+q)
Posted by: Mega at January 26, 2016 09:21 PM (JwLCI)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 26, 2016 08:54 PM (MNgU2)
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No what's worse is reading though it all.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 26, 2016 09:21 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 26, 2016 09:21 PM (bZ7mE)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 26, 2016 07:25 PM
Yes, there's not a more corrupt cesspool of corrupt politicos/bureaucrats leaching off of the American taxpayers. Congress is a close second. But this bunch that has such dignitaries as Libya and other dictatorships on Human Rights Comm. and routinely condemns Israel it's just BS.
I'd like to see whoever gets the Rep. nomination put Bolton on as VP and see heads explode at the UN.
Posted by: Farmer at January 26, 2016 09:21 PM (o/90i)
Posted by: rfichoke at January 26, 2016 09:21 PM (xZEwe)
seriously.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 09:21 PM (ubByS)
Posted by: jewells45 at January 26, 2016 09:21 PM (CNHr1)
Posted by: jewells45 at January 26, 2016 08:51 PM (CNHr1)
Very sorry to hear that.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:21 PM (JIElb)
Coinky dink? I don't think so. But according to AmishDude it's all a Trump plot for him to lose money and business partners cause apparently the payoff from Hillary is gonna be Yuuge.
Really? REALLY? He's going to bow out and make himself look like the biggest chump there ever was having lost money and reputation? Really? You've said yourself he's got a big ego. How does his big ego square with him quitting midway?
How do you square that circle in your alternate bizarro Universe?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 09:21 PM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: Drider at January 26, 2016 08:54 PM (6Xbsz)
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Paul already had a spot.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 26, 2016 09:21 PM (MbrzC)
He's taking a major hit as Iowans have found out he's not eligible.
Really, you Trump-curious folks countenance this shit?
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:22 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 09:22 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 26, 2016 09:22 PM (kdS6q)
Two separate issues. FNC went out of their way to insult Trump today. Trump plays hardball. He's in this to win. FNC will suffer financially for what they did. They won't fuck with him again.
Posted by: despair at January 26, 2016 09:22 PM (VrdxH)
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 26, 2016 09:22 PM (FqI4R)
FBI thwarts mass shooting at Milwaukee Masonic Temple
http://tinyurl.com/z96895u
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 26, 2016 09:22 PM (iHjB5)
Posted by: William Munney at January 26, 2016 09:22 PM (1xUj/)
His birther crap on Cruz was disgusting
One shitty little pussy in the WH was quite enough.
Posted by: TexasJew at January 26, 2016 09:22 PM (N7G17)
together. Other than that, yeah they don't strike me as being enormously
intelligent. Maybe Coolidge.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 08:49 PM (39g3+)
They were OK, but Garfield was really smart. On the other hand, only Garfield proved a theorem.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:20 PM (JIElb)
You know who was really smart? Hedy Lamarr, that's who.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 09:22 PM (NPofj)
Posted by: Country Singer at January 26, 2016 09:18 PM (GUBah)
Oh. Lovely.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 26, 2016 09:23 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: rfichoke at January 26, 2016 09:21 PM (xZEwe)
Unless you're an LBJ fan.
Both got there the same way, similar outlooks, widely admired by a lot of FS crowd.
Posted by: jwb7605 at January 26, 2016 09:23 PM (DofIg)
Posted by: AltonJackson at January 26, 2016 09:23 PM (KCxzN)
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 26, 2016 09:23 PM (FqI4R)
Posted by: redc1c4 at January 26, 2016 09:23 PM (KSaVA)
Posted by: Donald Trump at January 26, 2016 09:23 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 26, 2016 08:55 PM (Wckf4)
Yeah, it's just a marginal thing. North Korea and Iran with nukes. Whatever. We can just throw anybody in the Oval Office. No biggie.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:23 PM (JIElb)
He could win. And that's what drives the attachment. There is no one else in the nation that could seize the moment this confidently. Nobody could run a visible and responsive media campaign like he's done without taking a body shot somewhere down the line. Not George Clooney or Tom Brady or Jay-Z or Kanye West or Mike Rowe or anyone. I'm really suggesting these people, this is the type of name recognition you would need to gain traction against Trump. Nobody else could attack the establishment *with* the media, could turn that around on the political and cultural establishment, without flinching.
Think of the media environment. He's impervious to a force which has permitted Memories Pizza and "white hispanic" Zimmerman and 'a rape on campus' and the palestinian knife intifada and the abandonment of hundreds of thousands of mexican and central american children and the IRS targeting and Eric fucking Holder and QE and Clinton's emails and the ACA and the PP videos and the entire presidency of Barack Obama and the Iran deal and inaction against ISIS to never even reach the consciousness of the vast bulk of Americans. We all know good people, friends, who would do the right thing if they had any idea what was really going on. Look at Brendan Eich. Donald Trump has taken their greatest weapon and turned it against them, reaching the average American and setting the terms of the debate for the first time in memory. In my entire young lifetime.
Donald Trump could win the general election. What to any other challenger would be their biggest hurdle is an afterthought with him. For a base that's been ignored, insulted, and outright abused for a decade, it's the "winning an election" part that we like. Donald Trump is the paintjob. We need someone not of the progressive cult in the Oval Office. Anyone. How often have you dreamed what you would do if you could set policy for a day?
We were under siege with 43. We could win hearts and minds with this weird billionaire. Notice I don't guarantee we will. But there's a chance.
I am a fan of Cruz, I've never parroted the birthplace crap, but he cannot do what Trump does. We must stop the socialists now, and set back the long march, or in a year, or two, they'll drop their pretenses, finally. We cannot allow this moment to pass us by. After Romney I don't know if a crossover, mainstream republican can win. Don't forget, though he failed, Romney was a good *candidate*. He was marketable.
Donald Trump isn't marketable. But he could win the general election.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 09:23 PM (ubByS)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 26, 2016 08:55 PM (FkBIv)
Thread winner right there.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:23 PM (JIElb)
Read the comments. It's everyone calling everyone a Nazi, you Nazi.
:-)
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 09:17 PM (2x3L+)
Whatever you say, you Nazi.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 26, 2016 09:23 PM (kpqmD)
battle takes place, but it helps a great deal if you don't have a guy
there who is actively fighting against you.
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 09:16 PM (lVU49)
Except... for the last 7 years that's what we've had: a bunch of guys in Washington actively fighting against us. On both sides of the aisle. It might take that very thing to cause some states to rise up.
In fact, it already has.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 26, 2016 09:24 PM (TOk1P)
He's a "Marine" who forgot to show up for his first day of boot camp, changed his named, has a long criminal record, and was suspected by many at the Bundy ranch of being a government informant, since he kept asking a lot of... probing questions and seemingly trying to get people to say that they were there to "kill cops" and "overthrow the government" and such.
He is on the fringe outskirts of the militia / oathkeeprs / 3%er movement, which is uh... well, that's about as outskirted as you can get this side of a jail cell, I'd say.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at January 26, 2016 09:20 PM (AkOaV)
Lovely. A false flag operation is just what we need right now.
Posted by: rickl at January 26, 2016 09:24 PM (sdi6R)
The Canadians thought so, maybe. Did Ted have a Canadian passport? Vote in one of there elections?
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 09:24 PM (rwI+c)
Peron's a good comparison too. Also had a hot wife.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:24 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Max Power at January 26, 2016 09:24 PM (q177U)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at January 26, 2016 09:24 PM (L2AI2)
Trumps going to be on OReilly tomorrow night, this is all just the usual bullshit theater, Trump and Fox playing everyone for fools.
Posted by: All Teh Meh at January 26, 2016 09:24 PM (yq2eR)
to know that Cruz has argued more than a few cases in front of the SC
and written more briefs for them than that. When I say he has a long
history as a constitutionalist that is exactly what I mean and exactly
what the FACTS support.
Please stop with the twisting of facts to
support your guy. Like calling Cruz "the Canadian", it says more about
your honesty than it says anything about Cruz.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 09:15 PM (NPofj)
So Cruz is intimately familiar with Rogers v Bellei (1971)?
Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 26, 2016 09:25 PM (T78UI)
Oh, the irony.
Oh, the ironic irony.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:25 PM (JIElb)
No, jk, better day today. I slept in and got a dogsitter so I could get a break from my puppy. I had a good day today. I think I'll be able to sleep tonight.
Because I bought vodka mostly.
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 09:25 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: Drider at January 26, 2016 08:54 PM (6Xbsz)
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Paul already had a spot.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 26, 2016 09:21 PM (MbrzC)
Fiorina? Because I'd LOVE to hear her talk about Hillary's latest problems on the "big boy" stage.
Posted by: jwb7605 at January 26, 2016 09:25 PM (DofIg)
Because I'm a giver and not a fake concern troll like other people we know, here's a link to some of that and you can go from there:
http://tinyurl.com/lstv9g
And here's the google search link for "just give grandma a pill" which I used to find it.
http://tinyurl.com/he8kwn3
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 09:25 PM (Xo1Rt)
That's not a conspiracy theory. That's a fact, JOANNE.
Posted by: the guy who always divides people into typeswing plover at January 26, 2016 09:22 PM (FqI4R)
And so what? He certainly didn't ask for Canada to lay claim to him and it doesn't change the fact that Cruz's mother was American and through her Cruz was an American at birth.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 09:25 PM (NPofj)
Any attack on a candidate is fair, but not on his supporters, and an attack on a candidate cannot be taken as an attack on you.
Noted.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:25 PM (JIElb)
http://tinyurl.com/z96895u
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 26, 2016 09:22 PM (iHjB5)
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Wow. So glad no one was hurt. I hope they rounded up all the bad guys. We had a terrorist threat at our church on Sunday. We are about 40 minutes south of Milwaukee.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 09:26 PM (dFi94)
But Ted Cruz *was* a Canadian. That's not a conspiracy theory. That's a fact,
Posted by: the guy who always divides people
"Oh you lyin' b'stard!"
http://www.scribd.com/doc/229039536/Canadian-Renunciation-Letter
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 26, 2016 09:26 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: edmundburkesshade at January 26, 2016 09:26 PM (cmBvC)
But Meghan is one of their biggest stars, and has her feminazi dander up.
That snarky BS in their press belief is unbelievably unprofessional. You'd think it was from The Onion.
Posted by: Optimizer at January 26, 2016 09:26 PM (/q6+P)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at January 26, 2016 08:57 PM (MNgU2)
Look at how Trump saves his really nasty stuff for Fiorina and Kelly.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:26 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 09:26 PM (lVU49)
I for one will be delighted to watch a Trumpless debate, I cant stand listening to the jerk.
Posted by: mr burns at January 26, 2016 09:26 PM (1Arcq)
This thread would never run amok if John Kasich's dad were still delivering the mail.
Posted by: Weasel at January 26, 2016 09:04 PM (e3bId)
Or my dad was the bartender.
Posted by: The little short Cuban, Marco at January 26, 2016 09:26 PM (jJRIy)
yeah, I know you're making fun of my typos as regards to my comment about you being error prone.
But that's just typos, You're error prone on the facts.
Laugh that off.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 09:27 PM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: BurtTC at January 26, 2016 09:14 PM (TOk1P)
So agree with this. But a president that is supportive of this effort would be beneficial.
Burt, if Trump was asked about a states' rights movement, do you honestly think he's even thought about this? Because it matters.
Posted by: Joanne at January 26, 2016 09:27 PM (hgBpU)
Posted by: Burn It Down at January 26, 2016 08:59 PM (5DJW4)
I was kind of wondering about it, but it's also telling that nobody else thought to check.
I ordinarily would have gone to Google, but I feel obligated to finish my work on this thread.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:28 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 26, 2016 09:28 PM (FkBIv)
Posted by: Shoeless 'ron at January 26, 2016 09:28 PM (Srfki)
And so what? He certainly didn't ask for Canada to lay claim to him and it doesn't change the fact that Cruz's mother was American and through her Cruz was an American at birth.
Posted by: redbanzai
"Not!" isn't "so what?"
And it would be significantly more logical if some partisans would accept that the two are not the same thing, politically or legally.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 26, 2016 09:29 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Optimizer at January 26, 2016 09:26 PM (/q6+P)
Roger can give shit as well as take it. HE obviously wrote that as a message to Trump.
Fuck off.
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 26, 2016 09:29 PM (jJRIy)
Shorter Methos: "rights for me, but not for thee"
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 09:09 PM (lVU49)
I've stated clearly and repeatedly1) It's about reciprocity. You get no better treatment from me than I receive from you. In your case you support unlimited mohammadan colonization of the country which will inevitably lead to my death. Therefore my willingness to go out on any limb for you is vanishingly small.
2) The discussion is about your preachiness and insistance that all of us must "go read a book about conservatism" as if it's something none of us have given any serious thought to. We have. Over many years. And beyond the obvious failure of your position to be based on the DoI, which defines Americans and our beliefs regarding how we deal with each other, you are guilty of willfully misusing the term "conservatism" to mean just "fiscal conservatism" which being merely material in nature was always the least important leg of the stool.
Posted by: Methos at January 26, 2016 09:29 PM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:23 PM (JIElb)
Well looky here. Something we can agree on.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 09:29 PM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 26, 2016 09:20 PM (JO9+V)
Obama needs this for his third term.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 26, 2016 09:29 PM (T78UI)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 26, 2016 09:25 PM (T78UI)
That case is not dispositive any more than the Wong Kim Ark case is on CRUZ... but, yes I am sure as a Constitutional scholar and lawyer he has read that decision.
I gotta say birther nonsense does nothing for your case for Trump. If you cannot argue the case FOR HIM without lies and innuendo about another candidate, than you have no case for him.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 09:31 PM (NPofj)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at January 26, 2016 09:11 PM (0O7c5)
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We be fucked
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 26, 2016 09:31 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:31 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 09:31 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Jack at January 26, 2016 09:31 PM (CHuUq)
Posted by: flashoverride at January 26, 2016 08:48 PM (iQr1
Well said.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:32 PM (JIElb)
There is a palpable loathing that those who've been betrayed by the GOP have. The GOP has earned it.
They. Have. Earned. It.
Don't expect me to list the varied and myriad and numerous ways the GOP has shown contempt and belittled the very people they need to have any chance of winning. You all know the story.
So why does it seem implausible that a punishment like Trump should be visited upon them? Or that they've earned it.
I would wish for a Washington. Or a Jefferson. But they're not on the ballot. Or a Cruz, who probably has no path to the presidency. So here we are, fighting each other with little civility over whether to use gas or kerosene.
But, burn it will
Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 26, 2016 09:32 PM (kKHcp)
Sorry to disappoint you. Facts 'be' facts.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 26, 2016 09:07 PM (gAane)
Thanks, Donald. Thanks.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:32 PM (JIElb)
lay claim to him and it doesn't change the fact that Cruz's mother was
American and through her Cruz was an American at birth.
Posted by: redbanzai
"Not!" isn't "so what?"
And
it would be significantly more logical if some partisans would accept
that the two are not the same thing, politically or legally.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 26, 2016 09:29 PM (kdS6q)
Laurie please reply to my post if you are going to quote me. As it is your reply makes no sense.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 09:34 PM (NPofj)
E-P-I-C!
She is toast and on to Tru-TV.
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at January 26, 2016 09:34 PM (AhyHb)
My conspiracy theory reference was not to the low-brow Canadian allegations by Trump Breitbart/Treeper crowd.
I was referring to the McConnell super-pac donating to Cruz propaganda. That's idiotic Treeper regurgitation.
Posted by: Joanne at January 26, 2016 09:34 PM (hgBpU)
Posted by: edmundburkesshade at January 26, 2016 09:34 PM (cmBvC)
Btw, it's a nine-ring circus here tonight: Cirque du Soleil with animals--rabid animals!
Posted by: Zettai Ryoiki at January 26, 2016 09:35 PM (5csB/)
Posted by: Stephanie at January 26, 2016 09:35 PM (eLvFT)
requires a candidate meet certain requirements. Article II Sec I.
Sorry to disappoint you. Facts 'be' facts.
Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at January 26, 2016 09:07 PM (gAane)
Again, birther nonsense just shows you cannot advocate for Trump on his merits.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 09:35 PM (NPofj)
Of course I exclude Cruz. If we had 51 Cruz's in the Senate Obama would be in jail, with Hillary as his neighbor.
Posted by: East Bay Jay at January 26, 2016 09:35 PM (PvCxa)
Fox would have certainly retracted it and had egg in their face.
Instead he runs off, screaming.
How is that convincing people to vote for him for a job that has life and death implications for every American?
Posted by: TexasJew at January 26, 2016 09:36 PM (N7G17)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 26, 2016 09:36 PM (jJRIy)
Posted by: cm9000 at January 26, 2016 09:14 PM (2TUVm)
Yes, it's so irrational to hate a vulgar douchebag who's ruining the country and might just ruin it forever because a bunch of purists can't have anybody with a record.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:37 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 09:14 PM (Xo1Rt)
I don't care.
Trump said today that he gets along with Reid and Schumer. That he'd be willing to make deals with them.
Is that a deal breaker?
Nope. Because he's Trump.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:38 PM (JIElb)
If I trusted Cruz just a bit more than Trump, I'd go for him except that he doesn't have the appeal that Trump does.
I've said before that if Trump just does one thing I can forgive him all else. He has to get an effective barrier/fence/wall (whatever) built to stop or slow the flow of unknown invaders crossing our border.
Then tighten up our visa system. (500k that they don't know where they are. That's ridiculous)
That right there would give all the states and the taxpayers some breathing room. Right now we can barely keep up with the flood. And these are not educated people for the most part. They are illiterate in their own language let alone English.
And that right there is why I don't trust Cruz because of his known statements and actions about the invasion from the south. That alone is enough to reject him.
Have fun. I'm over to the other thread where I will not engage any further.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 09:38 PM (Xo1Rt)
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 26, 2016 09:39 PM (MbrzC)
WOW!
Hate much it will make you ugly just like a leftist...which I suspect you to be.
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at January 26, 2016 09:39 PM (AhyHb)
birthplace crap, but he cannot do what Trump does. We must stop the
socialists now, and set back the long march, or in a year, or two,
they'll drop their pretenses, finally. We cannot allow this moment to
pass us by. After Romney I don't know if a crossover, mainstream
republican can win. Don't forget, though he failed, Romney was a good
*candidate*. He was marketable.
Donald Trump isn't marketable. But he could win the general election.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 09:23 PM (ubByS)
And then what, Ghost? That is what gets me... the logical "and then what" given Trump's personality and comfort with our current form of government.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 09:39 PM (NPofj)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:37 PM (JIElb)
Hey man, who are you referring to, with the ruining the country bit? Trump?
He's lowered the level of discourse, that's true. But he hasn't spent one minute in power. What ruin?
Seriously, I'm with the others here who think you've gone a little over the top.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 26, 2016 09:40 PM (kKHcp)
Full on scorpion mode.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 09:15 PM (Xo1Rt)
Google "Trump sued everyone but his hairdresser"
Or "5 of Donald Trump's craziest lawsuits"
Or "Trump threatens to sue pro-Kasich super PAC"
Or just "Trump threatens to sue": 2,590,000 results.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:40 PM (JIElb)
Hate much it will make you ugly just like a leftist...which I suspect you to be.
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at January 26, 2016 09:39 PM (AhyHb)
Jukin, not so much.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 09:41 PM (NPofj)
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 09:17 PM (NPofj)
D.B. Cooper.
The D. stands for Donald, of course.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:41 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Stephanie at January 26, 2016 09:41 PM (eLvFT)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at January 26, 2016 09:42 PM (YjDyJ)
Cruz supporter, right? Classy.
Posted by: despair at January 26, 2016 09:42 PM (VrdxH)
21 Abe Vigoda dead.
No. Really.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger
God told him, "It's just business."
RIP
Posted by: Amy Schumer at January 26, 2016 09:43 PM (QdAXQ)
Kim Ark case is on CRUZ... but, yes I am sure as a Constitutional
scholar and lawyer he has read that decision.
I gotta say
birther nonsense does nothing for your case for Trump. If you cannot
argue the case FOR HIM without lies and innuendo about another
candidate, than you have no case for him.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 09:31 PM (NPofj)
Not advocating for Trump, just pointing out for those who can read that there is a specific SCOTUS case involving a guy born overseas to an US citizen mother and non-citizen father is naturalized at birth IF the proper paper drill is performed (unlike those born citizens under the 14th).
Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 26, 2016 09:43 PM (T78UI)
You should see what Trump says about being two-faced in the Trump Tapes, Vol. 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcUCLwWCihE
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:43 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at January 26, 2016 09:43 PM (QdAXQ)
A "dissenting" voice is good, but you are not accomplishing your goal if you don't have a clear head. And you don't have a clear head. Only my little opinion.
I've done it myself. Take a small break and let the adrenaline settle a little. You will feel better and you will be more persuasive. And you will feel better.
Posted by: Mega at January 26, 2016 09:44 PM (JwLCI)
those who can read that there is a specific SCOTUS case involving a guy
born overseas to an US citizen mother and non-citizen father is
naturalized at birth IF the proper paper drill is performed (unlike
those born citizens under the 14th).
Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 26, 2016 09:43 PM (T78UI)
That is not what that case says.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 09:44 PM (NPofj)
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 26, 2016 09:44 PM (fQ/0p)
But you can't reason a man out of a position that he wasn't reasoned into.
Posted by: Pastafarian at January 26, 2016 09:46 PM (pCf+a)
But that's just typos, You're error prone on the facts.
Laugh that off.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 09:27 PM (Xo1Rt)
Well you showed me.
There's nothing that puts me in my place like assertions without evidence.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:47 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 09:44 PM (NPofj)
Then, what does it say?
Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 26, 2016 09:47 PM (T78UI)
Well, I'm not a big fan of Megan Kelly. She dials EVERYTHING up to 11. Sensationalizes everything. She got cross-way with Trump over that question she asked him in the earlier debate about sexist remarks. the question needed to be asked, but she didn't have to ask it like she was a prosecuting attorney.
Posted by: Lily at January 26, 2016 09:47 PM (Qm82t)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at January 26, 2016 09:29 PM (Xo1Rt)
I take it back.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:47 PM (JIElb)
The GOP. Capital T. Trademark of the GOP corporation.
A monolith. In lockstep. Ignore the good people who are doing hard work. Throw them away, too, in your tantrum.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:49 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: goon at January 26, 2016 09:50 PM (gy5kE)
Posted by: TexasJew at January 26, 2016 09:36 PM (N7G17)
I will say that I would happily vote for Trump as Wrestling Heel.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:50 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: TexasJew at January 26, 2016 09:50 PM (N7G17)
Of course, The Donald is in the tank for Trump, Inc. Running for President has got to be great for his sundry interests.
A simple, "Fox news endeavors to be as fair as possible in moderating these debates and we have confidence that the moderator team will conduct themselves according to the highest standards" would have sufficed.
But evidently Ailes couldn't muster up that--he had to generate headlines. Of course, that's the whole business model of the Carnival Barkers that are the corporate media.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 26, 2016 09:51 PM (VOzHx)
And Trump being in favor of "Touchback Amensty".
Cruz and Rubio aren't for that. Not even Jeb.
But Trump is. Does he get a pass? Of course, because he's a Jackass and who doesn't love a Jackass?
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:51 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at January 26, 2016 09:39 PM (AhyHb)
Yes. Hideously ugly. Like Carly Fiorina except with a stronger jawline.
You learn well from your master.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:52 PM (JIElb)
They cannot be persuaded. Hell, I'm not all that persuasive anyway.
And for the record: No, I don't consider Trump supporters stupid. I don't consider Trump to be stupid.
I consider him to be a Progressive. And so, therefore, are you, his supporters. You're part of the movement that is dragging this country into the abyss. You're not stupid; but you're wrong.
Posted by: Pastafarian at January 26, 2016 09:52 PM (pCf+a)
Ruin. He's made our precious Constitutional form of government a laughingstock. Even more than Obama has, if that's possible.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:53 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:49 PM (JIElb)
That wouldn't be me throwing away the hard work of good people. You're assuming facts not in evidence, and left out the part where I would wish for a Washington, Jefferson, or even Cruz.
This is where I say again, you're becoming a blindfolded man swinging haymakers in a crowd.
A little over the top.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 26, 2016 09:53 PM (kKHcp)
The republican party, enemies of the democrats, are not your friends.
You are in the same place as the trumpers. You are still in denial. There is only one party in ultra Rome and it hates you.
Posted by: simplemind at January 26, 2016 09:54 PM (BTnAK)
A "dissenting" voice is good, but you are not accomplishing your goal if you don't have a clear head. And you don't have a clear head. Only my little opinion.
I've done it myself. Take a small break and let the adrenaline settle a little. You will feel better and you will be more persuasive. And you will feel better.
Posted by: Mega at January 26, 2016 09:44 PM (JwLCI)
Don't worry about me. I like to finish what I start and I really have work to do. Also, I have to use the rest room.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:54 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Dobby at January 26, 2016 09:55 PM (b1uWI)
But you can't reason a man out of a position that he wasn't reasoned into.
Posted by: Pastafarian at January 26, 2016 09:46 PM (pCf+a)
Thanks. I know. But when I respond to most posts, I'm not really addressing the poster. I'm very conscious of the people reading the thread.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:55 PM (JIElb)
which held that an individual who received an automatic congressional
grant of citizenship at birth, but who was born outside the United States, may lose his citizenship for failure to fulfill any reasonable residence requirements which the United States Congress may impose as a condition subsequent to that citizenship."
Bellei was a natural born citizen and did not have to be naturalized. He lost that citizenship because he failed to live in the United States for five years before his 28th birthday.
Unless Trump is now making the additional argument that Cruz, who moved back to the US when he was FOUR and has lived here ever since, did not meet the residency requirements of the law, Rogers v. Bellei is not dispositive.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 09:56 PM (NPofj)
Why not? Seems reasonable to me. Look, that kind of thing is going to happen to a candidate. He either has to deal with the question or deal with the questioner.
Trump decided to go all "jerkstore" and take to Twitter.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:57 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 09:23 PM (ubByS)
That's all well and good but it doesn't matter if your "team" wins when the nominee is a Progressive. Progressive doesn't just mean "talks purty to the media" or "likes immigration." These simplistic definitions of the political spectrum make it difficult to have meaningful discussions.
Posted by: rfichoke at January 26, 2016 09:57 PM (xZEwe)
Also, after the kerfuffle, Megyn didn't keep attacking Trump. He kept attacking her.
Fox is not anti-Trump. Hannity and O'Reilly have both had him on for long segments.
Trump should have gone on the debate, and if Kelly tried to ask him inappropriate questions, he could have responded, "The voters don't want to hear about that. They want to hear about my plans to ..." and so on.
Anyway, I'm glad Trump is gone because maybe we'll see a more civil and substantive debate. But I'm also sorry he's gone because I wanted to see if he would give more details about his plans.
No hatred towards Trump supporters!
Posted by: Shefali at January 26, 2016 09:57 PM (tdnfQ)
Posted by: jwb7605 at January 26, 2016 09:25 PM (DofIg)
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As I recall (and maybe I'm wrong) The requirements were supposedly based on polling, who got above X, not a top x amount of candidates. So if that was the case no.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 26, 2016 09:57 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: Farmer at January 26, 2016 09:58 PM (o/90i)
Probably a bad choice in general. A 5-star general is someone who is basically a politician, so they have the skillset, but business people and non-flag-officers don't make good politicians.
You can't get your way as president. You can as the CEO of the company with your name in capital letters on it.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:59 PM (JIElb)
If wishes were horses, we'd have a stampede.
Eternal vigilance.
Eternal.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 10:01 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 09:55 PM (JIElb)
Oh.
Thank you for clarifying that for me. Here I thought that when you quote back someones words that it was a response to that person.
Now I know. You're playing to the crowd for small time political points.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 26, 2016 10:01 PM (kKHcp)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at January 26, 2016 10:02 PM (0OG8D)
Now I know. You're playing to the crowd for small time political points.
Yep. Like now, for instance.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 10:02 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 26, 2016 10:03 PM (JIElb)
But, of course, I'd prefer that these businessmen and generals and doctors be, you know, conservative. Trump is not conservative.
Of all the years to decide to destroy the Republican Party with fire, we decide to do it this year, when Hillary is self-destructing, and we could nominate anyone we wanted and win in a walk.
Posted by: Pastafarian at January 26, 2016 10:04 PM (pCf+a)
This is just me, but I never saw any appeal. In fact for long stretches I've kept the remote in my lap so I could change the channel when Trump came on.
Whether it was his boring feud with Rosie--two pigs rolling in the mud--or him droning on about the latest scandal involving one his idiot Miss USA strumpets, or hm bragging about how many super models and married women he's banged, he's always been an annoyance to me, and nothing more. I'm STILL astonished that his candidacy has gotten this far, which I guess shows how unaware I was.
Posted by: stace at January 26, 2016 10:07 PM (CoX6k)
Posted by: Liz at January 26, 2016 10:07 PM (sG+Rv)
Horrible. Because trump could be worse. But that's where we are.
A known disaster or a possible long shot win that could still be a disaster.
That's why I keep suggesting to those that don't have it yet to get religion. Politics aren't likely to do you as much good.
Posted by: simplemind at January 26, 2016 10:08 PM (BTnAK)
Posted by: RKinRoanoke at January 26, 2016 10:08 PM (GC8Nm)
Posted by: -Shawn- at January 26, 2016 10:11 PM (Iik29)
Posted by: jwb7605 at January 26, 2016 09:25 PM (DofIg)
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I thought it was vicious, but hilarious and true when Fiorina said she actually likes to spend time with her husband. High five on that one.
One of the only things I like about Trump was when he went after Hildemort's rapist husband. He did us all a great service with that.
Posted by: stace at January 26, 2016 10:13 PM (CoX6k)
in times like this i remember the words of my grandmother: There is no god, dreams are a lie, and you will die, like everything else, alone and afraid.
Posted by: ace at January 26, 2016 08:59 PM (dciA+)
No offense, but Gramma was 100% wrong.
Posted by: Blano at January 26, 2016 10:14 PM (heN73)
Posted by: simplemind at January 26, 2016 10:14 PM (BTnAK)
Posted by: JR at January 26, 2016 10:20 PM (Ioe/6)
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/01/26/2868743/
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at January 26, 2016 10:21 PM (0OG8D)
Posted by: JR at January 26, 2016 10:20 PM (Ioe/6)
This is just me and my weirdness, but I have always found his schtick very boring, since the first time I ever became aware of him. Not sure if that was in the 80s or 90s, but it was many years, wives, and frantic channel changes ago.
Posted by: stace at January 26, 2016 10:25 PM (CoX6k)
Trump might have just won Iowa. Time to batten down the hatches in South Carolina...
Posted by: Matt at January 26, 2016 10:29 PM (W4XHR)
to be naturalized. He lost that citizenship because he failed to live in
the United States for five years before his 28th birthday.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 09:56 PM (NPofj)
My Bad,
I thought it was very clear that the majority opinion and both dissents were very clear that Bellei (or others born abroad) were naturalized under the powers of congress. The dispute was whether the 14th protected him from being stripped of citizenship (for whatever reasons) and the majority found that he was not, literally, naturalized in the US.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 26, 2016 10:30 PM (T78UI)
Last I looked, the job of media outlets was to make money for their shareholders.
Posted by: J Moses Browning at January 26, 2016 10:32 PM (VPgsA)
disqualifies him from being CIC. a navy captain once allowed his men to
vote which port of call between two they should go to. He was relieved
of command. The hierarchy said that this is the type of decision a
commander makes. Asking the sailors for their preference showed a lack
of command ability. Our CIC should be held to no lesser standard.
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Look, bud, if the the US Government's civilian "leadership" ran this country Navy-style, we'd all be pounding rocks in the Dry Tortugas.
Posted by: mrp at January 26, 2016 10:34 PM (JBggj)
Posted by: Eileen at January 26, 2016 10:37 PM (te778)
opinion and both dissents were very clear that Bellei (or others born
abroad) were naturalized under the powers of congress. The dispute was
whether the 14th protected him from being stripped of citizenship (for
whatever reasons) and the majority found that he was not, literally,
naturalized in the US.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 26, 2016 10:30 PM (T78UI)
You would be wrong in that belief.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 10:42 PM (NPofj)
Posted by: rufusrastasjohnsonbrown at January 26, 2016 10:42 PM (Dz+P9)
Posted by: sam spade at January 26, 2016 10:43 PM (9ueDD)
Posted by: Jaxon Jensen at January 26, 2016 10:45 PM (m2KLr)
It was that Obama had to have been born in Hawaii and not Kenya. Why do you think that was their line in the sand?
Because if he was born in Kenya, with one American parent, he's not a natural-born citizen. That's why.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at January 26, 2016 10:54 PM (0OG8D)
That was not an issue with Cruz's mom.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 11:01 PM (NPofj)
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 10:42 PM (NPofj)
Because I read it from sumdude on the internet
Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 26, 2016 11:06 PM (T78UI)
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 11:09 PM (NPofj)
Can you show me where you're getting these figures, please? I would like to believe Cruz is eligible, but when you toss out some seemingly random numbers and then call me a troll, it's hard for me to see where you're coming from on this argument.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at January 26, 2016 11:10 PM (0OG8D)
because you are a partisan hack who doesn't care about actual facts...
but I guess it could be because you read it from sumdude on the
internet.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 11:09 PM (NPofj)
You had an opportunity to educate why Rogers v Bellei (1971) does not say what it says, that Bellei was a naturalized citizen.Pot meet kettle, partisan hack.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 26, 2016 11:20 PM (T78UI)
Fourteen years, five years after reaching the age of fourteen, four
years of living in the US...
Can you show me where you're getting
these figures, please? I would like to believe Cruz is eligible, but
when you toss out some seemingly random numbers and then call me a
troll, it's hard for me to see where you're coming from on this
argument.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at January 26, 2016 11:10 PM (0OG8D)
The naturalization law in effect when both Obama and Cruz were born was the naturalization law of 1952 (United States Statutes at Large, 1952, Vol. 66, 82nd Cong., p. 163-2
. This act specifies that foreign born children of US citizens are citizens at birth so long as the US citizen parent has met residency requirements by living in the US for 5 years after their 14th birthday.
401
U.S. 815, 826401
U.S. 815, 826.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 11:21 PM (NPofj)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at January 26, 2016 11:24 PM (0OG8D)
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 11:26 PM (NPofj)
But I do have a question related to something I posted the other night... why was Winston Churchill not a natural-born US citizen if Ted Cruz is?
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at January 26, 2016 11:29 PM (0OG8D)
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 11:31 PM (NPofj)
But Rubio is unacceptable because he does deals with Schumer.
Posted by: sexypig at January 26, 2016 11:32 PM (dZQh7)
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 11:32 PM (NPofj)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at January 26, 2016 11:37 PM (0OG8D)
Posted by: Steve at January 26, 2016 11:43 PM (LEk1v)
Posted by: Ceteris Paribus at January 26, 2016 11:48 PM (lQqJB)
Posted by: Ceteris Paribus at January 26, 2016 11:52 PM (lQqJB)
a 100 ton SMOD hitting the geographical center of the Washington Mall
@35,000 MPH.
Posted by: Ceteris Paribus at January 26, 2016 11:48 PM (lQqJB)
That would do it.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 11:52 PM (NPofj)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at January 27, 2016 12:04 AM (0OG8D)
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 11:26 PM (NPofj)
Well, good lesson.
"fuck you, that's why"
Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 27, 2016 12:07 AM (T78UI)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 27, 2016 12:10 AM (T78UI)
Posted by: Ceteris Paribus at January 27, 2016 12:11 AM (lQqJB)
You've gone completely off the rails on this establishment bogeyman bs, even finding one behind them calling him out for his thin skin. That is an establishment position? Since when? It's the position of anyone who's listened to the man whine and complain over the past several months.
Posted by: Chris at January 27, 2016 12:36 AM (ZQ1LX)
Posted by: Ceteris Paribus at January 27, 2016 12:54 AM (lQqJB)
Your guy is not eligible.
You've got big problems. Haha.
Talk about stupid. Running a guy who's not eligible.
While I think Trump has many merits to his running if his only merit was being eligible, I'd say he's already light years ahead of a guy who doesn't even stand a chance of winning not only the nomination but the presidency.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 27, 2016 01:07 AM (O6ViL)
Sorry to disappoint you. Facts 'be' facts.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 26, 2016 09:07 PM (gAane)
Thanks, Donald. Thanks.
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I'm not Donald, but what a weird answer. The Constitution has requirements which Cruz does not meet.
No reason to get upset with me. It's not my fault Cruz lied about being a Canadian during his Senate run and decided to run for an office he's not eligible.
Hell, I think it's fraud to take money from suckers when he can't possibly win.
Why did you run an ineligible candidate?
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 27, 2016 01:12 AM (O6ViL)
Posted by: Ceteris Paribus at January 27, 2016 01:16 AM (lQqJB)
Haha. Whoa. Put down the crack pipe.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 27, 2016 01:20 AM (O6ViL)
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/01/26/2868743/
It's amazing watching so many brands worth everything from less than zero like NRO to billions of $$$ like Fox be taken down by their own hatred of the American people.
Posted by: Sandy at January 27, 2016 01:24 AM (kwj9X)
Bellei was a natural born citizen and did not have to be naturalized. He lost that citizenship because he failed to live in the United States for five years before his 28th birthday.
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"congressional grant of citizenship" - is statutory naturalization.
Natural born citizens are not citizens by the will of congress. Congress CAN'T repeal a 'natural born citizen's' status but they can repeal make laws to effect statutory citizenship requirements.
Geez, follow some logic please.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 27, 2016 01:29 AM (O6ViL)
Trump looks like a pussy. Plain and simple. His Twitter tirades against Megyn for asking legitimate questions were embarrassing.
His ever thinning skin is the problem, not her. I love hearing him rip SJW's apart as much as the next guy, but his whiny bitch routine is getting tiring.
I dunno.
Ask me tomorrow and I might change my mind.
Fuck Obama.
Posted by: Community Organizer at January 27, 2016 01:33 AM (Bjvsz)
And Trump's campaign is secure the border and make good deals on behalf of America and Americans. Oh the horror.
And it's making the Uniparty/Media complex lose their shit.
That's how bad these f'er's are.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 27, 2016 01:34 AM (O6ViL)
Glass half empty -- Seems like the timing of this debate is insensitive to how much time it takes to prepare for a debate and, conversely, how much time it takes out of campaigning.
Sideline perspective -- Seems the RNC that organizes most of this debate process is out of touch with the candidates and more 'in touch' with the entrenched crony establishment types that sadly dominate Congress, especially the Senate.
For one, the moderators should come from the conservative side of the aisle, but instead, they concede to moderate and liberal side of things. Including Moderate/Liberal moderators in GOP debates concedes and demotes the GOP in debate moderator negotiations with the Ocrats to a secondary status. Anyone who doesn't get this in the GOP LOSERship should be backbenched from any leadership roles as a loser...
Secondly, the debates and moderators should be determined by the remaining primary candidates, not some entrenched crony establishment RNC group...
That being said, IMHO, Trump has stumbled on cozying up with the Establishment RINOsaurs a bit early here. They're probably fine with him sitting out this debate so he can focus on winning one or both of the first events, instead of going into a debate on short notice with a high quality debater such as Cruz, right after the first caucus...
Ignoring Trump's shiny object of the attractive smart/dumb blonde who's moderating the debate, it's likely not in Trump's interest as winner or loser in Iowa to be on stage debating Cruz... Have to give nod up to both Cruz for a win related to his debate skills, AND Trump for his 'just win baby' attitude...
IMHO, the BIG downwards nod goes to Trump for cozying up to the RINOsaur establishment plus his ability to 'compromise/negotiate with Pelosi/Reid Ocrats a bit too early -- add to this Trump's toxic love of Socialized/Nationalized Healthcare plus his hugs of RINOsaurs and Ocrats, if given enough time to percolate to the top, may be toxic to the max if not redirected to some other shiny object.
Personally, while I like a lot about Trump's smash mouth attitudes on many Ocrat PC driven issues, he's losing me on more core political issues vs Cruz or Rubio (in that order). Perhaps losing is what Trump really wants... Getting dragged into a national version of Arnold's CA debacle is not an albatross legacy that Trump wants hanging on his business dealings.
Posted by: Seipherd at January 27, 2016 01:41 AM (6LzYN)
Look, "natural born citizen" means a citizen by virtue of the circumstances of your birth. The process of becoming a citizen if this is not the case is called "naturalization". It's all kind of obvious, to me.
Trump has as much as said that there's a 90%+ chance that the courts would concur on this. His point was that if it's not 100% you're exposing the party to unacceptable risk. It has never been tested in the courts.
The genius of it was that it would cast doubt for long enough to help knock Cruz out of the running, but he could be easily "rehabilitated" for the VP slot. I suspect that THAT plan may have crashed and burned when Cruz went after Trump's hometown, and things got nastier from there. I think sometimes Trump even claims Cruz is ineligible at this point. Ugly stuff.
Posted by: Optimizer at January 27, 2016 01:44 AM (/q6+P)
401
U.S. 815, 826401
U.S. 815, 826.
--------
Citizens at birth BY STATUTORY NATURALIZATION.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 27, 2016 01:44 AM (O6ViL)
2012, Trump was BOTH leaving open running as in independent AND moderating a newsmax debate.
http://tinyurl.com/jzgkdt2
Not showing to a debate where someone else who MIGHT BE RUNNING means you're "lacking courage".
So, Megyn is out... lets have Cruz moderate the debate.
Is that good enough for Trump?
It was when he wanted to BOTH moderate a debate AND run at the same time... so why not?
Is it only good when he does it? Doesn't that seem a tad hypocritical Ace?
Sorry, Trump doesn't really have a lot of defense here give his past history at moderating debates... does he?
Posted by: gekkobear at January 27, 2016 01:51 AM (WyK2E)
Running an ineligible candidate? Stupid.
Taking money from suckers while being ineligible? Fraud.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 27, 2016 01:53 AM (O6ViL)
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Because Winston Churchhill was born before 1934 in an era when mothers could not pass along US citizenship.
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Winston Churchill was not a natural born citizen and neither is Cruz.
Natural born citizens are born with no other citizenship than American. Only ONE country has a claim on them.
This moron is posting a statute that made Cruz an American citizen (and Canadian) otherwise he'd just be a plain old Canadian.
Congress can give or take away citizenship but they CAN'T give "natural born" status NOR take away "natural born" status.
Congress could have kicked Cruz's ass back to Canada if they wished to pass a law (statute).
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 27, 2016 02:04 AM (O6ViL)
Maybe he's bullshitting me, I don't know, but he is the ONLY one who's said it! The rest of them.....crickets. Have you SEEN what's happening in Europe? What kind of paid for saudi wh@re *cough* BUSH *cough* wouldn't stop that?
Posted by: Sandy at January 27, 2016 03:31 AM (kwj9X)
Looks like he was one step ahead again.
Interesting group Fox chose, Axelrod must be advising them.
Whomever wrote that Fox statement should be fired.
They damaged their brand with that childish, petty statement.
This campaign is turning into one giant cleansing fire.
Posted by: bopiddy at January 27, 2016 03:36 AM (9HJf4)
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 27, 2016 03:44 AM (t2KH5)
zerohedge.com million mystery money-found-malaysia-pms-bank-account-was-personal-donation-saud
Posted by: bopiddy at January 27, 2016 03:51 AM (9HJf4)
Conservatives tired of the Constitution now?
Posted by: evergreen at January 27, 2016 05:04 AM (tDwXn)
Just because it's part of a "naturalization law" doesn't make it "statuatory naturalization", a term which I assume you made up.
Well I guess these guys are at least proving that Trump was right - not everybody agrees what it means, so Cruz has a "question mark" over his head.
Posted by: Optimizer at January 27, 2016 05:09 AM (/q6+P)
I'm absolutely watching Trump. Fuck Fox News
Posted by: deadrody at January 27, 2016 05:25 AM (q72NU)
"Looks like he was one step ahead again.
Interesting group Fox chose, Axelrod must be advising them.
Whomever wrote that Fox statement should be fired.
They damaged their brand with that childish, petty statement.
This campaign is turning into one giant cleansing fire."
Sounds like a spokesman job is open over at Fox. Some smarmy little shit probably cost them millions, and embarrassed. Fox not reporting that side of the story, BTW.
I guess it's real - "In a Tuesday statement to Business Insider" and "obtained by Mediaite" .
I haven't seen that Trump SPOX with the bad tweeting history since that flap BTW. I thought the tweet we had here sounded like just a joke, but she apparently had a bunch of other stuff that was kind of anti-white racist and stuff. too bad. She was REALLY good.
Posted by: Optimizer at January 27, 2016 05:38 AM (/q6+P)
Posted by: redbanzai at January 27, 2016 06:58 AM (NPofj)
"fuck you, that's why"
Posted by: Burnt Toast at January 27, 2016 12:07 AM (T78UI)
Well that too but also the majority NEVER held that Bellei was a naturalized citizen. They held that he was a citizen at birth who did not derive his citizenship through the 14th amendment. The dissents, WHICH DO NOT PROVIDE THE PREVAILING LEGAL INTERPRETATION, did say that Bellei was naturalized only so that they could then argue he was a citizen under the 14th amendment. Both the majority and the longer dissent specifically lay out the statutory power of Congress to set citizenship by quoting the 1792 Naturalization Act which specifies that children born in foreign places to American citizens who met statutory requirements are natural born citizens.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 27, 2016 07:06 AM (NPofj)
They're going to unseal his divorce records, dig up various racist remarks he made in the past, etc. Don't think the DNC isn't already sitting on half a dozen bombs.
What's he going to do, boycott the entire media?
But yeah, biggest winner here is Cruz. Great boost heading into IA.
Posted by: TallDave at January 27, 2016 08:10 AM (74ZYB)
Posted by: thewhitefrog at January 27, 2016 08:11 AM (xTl+M)
So...Trump is afraid of Megyn Kelly, a "third rate reporter who isn't very good at her job"?
That's what I get from this. What's he going to do when Putin, the mad mullahs, Xi Jinpin or Kim Jong Un tells him to fuck off? wet the bed? shit himself? start sucking his thumb and start crying for Ivanna to make the bad men stop?
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at January 27, 2016 09:13 AM (1hM1d)
Natural born citizens are not natural born by "naturalization law." They are natural born through 'natural law.' It can't be taken away by legislation or Congress.
Cruz's citizenship could only come about by Congress/legislation declaring him an American citizen. Before 1934, Cruz wouldn't even be a citizen.
Trump is playing it safe with the general statements. He had no need to get into the weeds.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 27, 2016 11:27 AM (/rF8e)
For over seven years, I've seen and read people give long, detailed arguments for/against Article II Sec - natural born - I but really you are not even close to being informed on the topic.
You must have just read something yesterday and revel in your ignorance.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 27, 2016 11:38 AM (/rF8e)
otoh he is who I thought he was.
Posted by: x at January 27, 2016 12:43 PM (nFwvY)
Ann Coulter - WE'RE ALL RUTH BADER GINSBURG NOW:
"A child born to American parents outside of U.S. territory may be a citizen the moment he is born -- but only by "naturalization," i.e., by laws passed by Congress. If Congress has to write a law to make you a citizen, you're not "natural born."
Because Cruz's citizenship comes from the law, not the Constitution, as late as 1934, he would not have had "any conceivable claim to United States citizenship. For more than a century and a half, no statute was of assistance. Maternal citizenship afforded no benefit" -- as the Supreme Court put it in Rogers v. Bellei (1971).
That would make no sense if Cruz were a "natural born citizen" under the Constitution. But as the Bellei Court said: "Persons not born in the United States acquire citizenship by birth only as provided by Acts of Congress." (There's an exception for the children of ambassadors, but Cruz wasn't that.)
So Cruz was born a citizen -- under our naturalization laws -- but is not a "natural born citizen" -- under our Constitution."
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at January 27, 2016 12:59 PM (/rF8e)
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