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Dear GOP: Calling your own base a bunch of stupid hicks seems like a bad idea
Ben's link dump this morning contained this feculent little bolus. A sample:
Lewis' essential argument is that the current crisis is decades in the making, the unintended consequence of a series of understandable decisions made decades ago to help address the challenges the movement faced in the 1980s and 90s. The first was the decision to court Southern evangelicals. Lewis is himself a Southern (West Virginia) evangelical, so here he criticizes his own when he notes that evangelicals have long shied away from engagement with the less-devout world. This has meant they as a group tend to lack intellectual curiosity and rigor. Bringing a decidedly unintellectual group into the movement, Lewis contends, encouraged the movement itself to move away from its strength, its use of argument to explain America's challenges and propose real solutions that solve them."Unintellectual"! May God save us all from the scourge of unintellectualism! It's almost like these rubes don't appreciate the unparalleled record of cultural and policy triumphs the GOP has accrued over the past two decades! So...yeah. They really do think we're stupid. Their Delphic prophecies and magisterial command of political philosophy flies right over our thick ape-like craniums. Their brilliance is wasted on us, and they would like nothing better than to trade us in for a smarter (or at least more pliable, and certainly less white and male) base. Alas, they need our votes for the foreseeable future, so they must bottle up their contempt as best they can and lie to us through fake smiles. But the bitterness and contempt is seeping through the facade, as it always does. Calling your own base a bunch of stupid hicks is not good strategy (not to mention petty and rude) if you want them to vote for you or your preferred candidates. Mainly because the so-called "intellectuals" who have been driving GOP policy for the past two decades have done a spectacularly shitty job of it. If I'm forced to choose between the lumpenproles and the think-tank eggheads, I'll throw my lot in with the peasants. They're a lot smarter than the sneering elites give them credit for, and they don't sit around all day inhaling their own ass-waft. If the GOP brain-trust was arguing from a baseline of stellar success and policy wins, it'd be different. But the post-Reagan era has been an utter catastrophe in terms of actual conservative policy, and on all fronts: cultural, economic, foreign-policy, tax policy, you name it. The arrogance of these pissants is pretty rich, given their two-decade run of fecklessness and failure. Let's put it this way (and I'm stealing this from co-blogger Andy): "An out-and-proud socialist is generating all the buzz on the Democrats' side, and a Democrat is leading the Republican polls. I'd say both bases have shifted decidedly leftwards." If the base is abandoning the intellectuals, it's because the intellectuals failed to make their case, not because the voters are too stupid to understand. Those dimwitted Christians even have a go-to passage in the Bible for this sort of thing: "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." (Matthew 7:18-20)
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Welcome back.
Posted by: HH at January 26, 2016 12:27 PM (DrCtv)
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Doom?
Posted by: Treebeard at January 26, 2016 12:28 PM (evdj2)
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Oh very yes.
Posted by: Treebeard at January 26, 2016 12:28 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 12:29 PM (kzdjp)
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Even if our opinion shapers were intellectuals, our politicians are not. Wardheelers most of them.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 12:30 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Arson Wells at January 26, 2016 12:30 PM (UnJ7w)
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 12:30 PM (xuouz)
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Yay! Monty! And screw the GOP.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 26, 2016 12:31 PM (FsuaD)
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The Vision of the Annointed, GOPe Edition.
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 12:31 PM (s5o+q)
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Somewhere a weepy John Boehner is smiling.
Posted by: Arson Wells at January 26, 2016 12:31 PM (UnJ7w)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 12:32 PM (Yzubb)
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Vote for us you toothless inbred hicks! The Supreme Court is at stake!
Posted by: GOPe at January 26, 2016 12:33 PM (evdj2)
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Good post, Monty.
Some of the most rigorous self examination and intellectual is done by evangelicals as they decide what they can/cannot support. Just because they don't reach the same conclusions as the cool kids does not mean they lack self reflection or intellectual vigor.
Most of what I see coming out of the Pubbie Think Tanks is self absorbed twaddle.
Some of the most rigorous self examination and intellectual is done by evangelicals as they decide what they can/cannot support. Just because they don't reach the same conclusions as the cool kids does not mean they lack self reflection or intellectual vigor.
Most of what I see coming out of the Pubbie Think Tanks is self absorbed twaddle.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at January 26, 2016 12:33 PM (kXoT0)
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People who think "fundamentalists" are unsophisticated don't really know any fundamentalists.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at January 26, 2016 12:33 PM (u5gzz)
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Yay! Monty is here! I have missed your posts.
This line is magnificent and Ace-esque,
"they don't sit around all day inhaling their own ass-waft."
This line is magnificent and Ace-esque,
"they don't sit around all day inhaling their own ass-waft."
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 12:33 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: scoville at January 26, 2016 12:33 PM (0adl+)
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The pundits showed their mentality during the Harriet Miers incident.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 26, 2016 12:34 PM (4ErVI)
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Fuck You...War.
Posted by: Andrew Breitbart at January 26, 2016 12:34 PM (UnJ7w)
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If the GOP brain-trust was arguing from a baseline of stellar success and policy wins, it'd be different. But the post-Reagan era has been an utter catastrophe in terms of actual conservative policy, and on all fronts: cultural, economic, foreign-policy, tax policy, you name it. The arrogance of these pissants is pretty rich, given their two-decade run of fecklessness and failure.
And yet, we are supposed to keep voting Republican "because ".
And it's been longer than two decades.
And yet, we are supposed to keep voting Republican "because ".
And it's been longer than two decades.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 12:34 PM (Yzubb)
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a decidedly unintellectual group into the movement
Yes. Every southerner who is Christian is unintellectual.
Nice analysis.
Yes. Every southerner who is Christian is unintellectual.
Nice analysis.
Posted by: Lea at January 26, 2016 12:34 PM (lIU4e)
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Can we still fuck our cousins?
Posted by: jwest at January 26, 2016 12:34 PM (Zs4uk)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 26, 2016 12:34 PM (BK3ZS)
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This really wasn't the GOP calling their base stupid. It was a hack journo who hangs out at some web sites that may or may not represent real conservatives.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 26, 2016 12:35 PM (t2KH5)
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If I divorce my wife, are we still cousins?
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 12:35 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 26, 2016 12:35 PM (BK3ZS)
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The "intellectuals" on the Right have basically agreed with the Prog/Com Dims. They want to move the country away from freedom, the rule of law, capitalism and individuality, just like the Left does.
I rarely see anyone on the Right speaking publicly about these things. There's a lot for us to be proud of: we did more to raise the world's standard of living during the 20th Century than any other society in history.
We freed a lot of people, but it seems the good die young...
I rarely see anyone on the Right speaking publicly about these things. There's a lot for us to be proud of: we did more to raise the world's standard of living during the 20th Century than any other society in history.
We freed a lot of people, but it seems the good die young...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 26, 2016 12:36 PM (LUgeY)
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Very appropriate bible verse Monty. We shall hew them down and cast them into the fire!
Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at January 26, 2016 12:37 PM (xWW96)
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If I divorce my wife, are we still cousins?
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 12:35 PM (evdj2)
It depends. Were you cousins by marriage?
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 12:35 PM (evdj2)
It depends. Were you cousins by marriage?
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at January 26, 2016 12:37 PM (kXoT0)
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24 If I divorce my wife, are we still cousins?
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 12:35 PM (evdj2)
Not when she's your sister!
24 If I divorce my wife, are we still cousins?
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 12:35 PM (evdj2)
Not when she's your sister!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 26, 2016 12:37 PM (BK3ZS)
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Since when is West Virginia part of The South?
Posted by: unfatmatt at January 26, 2016 12:37 PM (ofDwz)
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Hubris is the curse of the country now. Everyone is Right and dammit, you will be made to conform. Good enough is never good enough.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 12:37 PM (evdj2)
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Stomped by ace
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at January 26, 2016 12:37 PM (t2KH5)
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And yet, we are supposed to keep voting Republican "because ".
And it's been longer than two decades.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 12:34 PM (Yzubb)
Should be [ insert party here ].
Republican, Democrat, Independent.
ALL fit.
I'd also add that from personal observation, it's been around five decades. I didn't understand politics for my first two decades.
And it's been longer than two decades.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 12:34 PM (Yzubb)
Should be [ insert party here ].
Republican, Democrat, Independent.
ALL fit.
I'd also add that from personal observation, it's been around five decades. I didn't understand politics for my first two decades.
Posted by: jwb7605 at January 26, 2016 12:37 PM (DofIg)
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Those dimwitted Christians even have a go-to passage in the Bible for this sort of thing: "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." (Matthew 7:18-20)
sounds stupid. let's have a special issue to say why.
#12 will blow your mind!
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sounds stupid. let's have a special issue to say why.
#12 will blow your mind!
/
Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 26, 2016 12:37 PM (kKHcp)
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Consider that the GOP tells us we must adapt, since the populace is becoming more hispanic, but ignore the fact that its becoming more hispanic because of their deliberate actions of open borders and pushing amnesty.
Now, if they want us to be able to overlook that and NOT detect that we're being played, being 'anti-intellectual' is what they had better want of us.
Now, if they want us to be able to overlook that and NOT detect that we're being played, being 'anti-intellectual' is what they had better want of us.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 26, 2016 12:37 PM (oVJmc)
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Needs more DOOM.
Posted by: garrett at January 26, 2016 12:37 PM (b99VK)
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Whenever I see articles like this, I know that spot has opened at MSNBC for a "conservative".
The competition is brutal.
The competition is brutal.
Posted by: jwest at January 26, 2016 12:37 PM (Zs4uk)
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A GOP brain trust that has a "we'll make it up on volume" strategy with respect to immigration has no business calling anyone else stupid.
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at January 26, 2016 12:38 PM (nFdGS)
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If the base is abandoning the intellectuals, it's because the intellectuals failed to make their case, not because the voters are too stupid to understand.
The other possibility is that the "intellectuals" have sufficiently made their case and the base has simply decided they're full of shit.
The other possibility is that the "intellectuals" have sufficiently made their case and the base has simply decided they're full of shit.
Posted by: Happy Gilmore at January 26, 2016 12:38 PM (jV8Mq)
Posted by: fixerupper at January 26, 2016 12:38 PM (8XRCm)
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Unintellectual? Let me ask a question: where has their fifth-fvcking-dimensional chess gotten us? Oh, yes, I realize it's gotten them and their donor sponsors a relatively secure livelihood, with damn near semipermanence in office. But what about the base, the voters, and the principles?
Sold down the river.
I think we're intellectual enough to figure that part out.
So, yes, all these wizards with their PhDs in political tomfoolery may be proud of their brainpan capacity, but I think we hicks have plenty enough mental prowess to see which way the wind's been blowing. And have no dount that they know, whether the Democrats beat them in the general or the patriots beat them in the primaries, when the Augean stables get cleaned out, their is the first stall the hose will get to.
Sold down the river.
I think we're intellectual enough to figure that part out.
So, yes, all these wizards with their PhDs in political tomfoolery may be proud of their brainpan capacity, but I think we hicks have plenty enough mental prowess to see which way the wind's been blowing. And have no dount that they know, whether the Democrats beat them in the general or the patriots beat them in the primaries, when the Augean stables get cleaned out, their is the first stall the hose will get to.
Posted by: Qoheleth at January 26, 2016 12:38 PM (iIzG7)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 12:38 PM (Yzubb)
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Well said,Monty. It sure is an odd position to be in; against Trump and against those who despise his supporters but there you have it. Interesting times.
Posted by: Typo dynamofo at January 26, 2016 12:38 PM (L7nbe)
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The condescension started gathering steam with George Herbert Walker Texas Ranger Saint Aidan Bush.
Voo-doo economics? Hey, smart guy--that graph on a cocktail napkin--that's an application of the law of diminishing returns to marginal tax rates.
Kinder and gentler? Than Reagan? WTF.
Now we're still having to endure the misery created by this well-meaning, but ever-bumbling man and his progeny.
Voo-doo economics? Hey, smart guy--that graph on a cocktail napkin--that's an application of the law of diminishing returns to marginal tax rates.
Kinder and gentler? Than Reagan? WTF.
Now we're still having to endure the misery created by this well-meaning, but ever-bumbling man and his progeny.
Posted by: Furious George at January 26, 2016 12:38 PM (3GAnN)
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I'd rather have a poorly performing system freely chosen that a perfect system imposed.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 12:38 PM (evdj2)
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By the by, when the GOP BRAIN TRUST is busy bending over backwards to give Barky and ValJar ever single item on their agenda, how do they get the nerve to say we are the problem?
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at January 26, 2016 12:39 PM (kXoT0)
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Establishment of both parties DO get it ... control of the masses requires constant lies, sprinkled with pomp and ego. The founders were Christian, and they put together many safeguards to keep our current establishment types from doing that voodoo that they do do.
All that must be discarded as ancient lore, so the brave new corporate Marxism can emerge like a phoenix from the ashes. Or when that fails, the elite want to at least have taken our guns and rights away and leave us as submissives. They are already importing our replacement population, as we have not pleased them with our recalcitrance.
All that must be discarded as ancient lore, so the brave new corporate Marxism can emerge like a phoenix from the ashes. Or when that fails, the elite want to at least have taken our guns and rights away and leave us as submissives. They are already importing our replacement population, as we have not pleased them with our recalcitrance.
Posted by: Illiniwek at January 26, 2016 12:39 PM (5Gpe2)
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/off psycho-hockey-player-turned-golfer sock
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at January 26, 2016 12:39 PM (jV8Mq)
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Every evangelical I know fully accepts the idea that governments must be limited in order for them to be free to practice their faith.
They also understand that necessarily means others are free to make different choices.
That alone puts them far ahead of the progs, who are essentially fascists.
They also understand that necessarily means others are free to make different choices.
That alone puts them far ahead of the progs, who are essentially fascists.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at January 26, 2016 12:39 PM (u5gzz)
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>>"An out-and-proud socialist is generating all the buzz on the Democrats' side, and a Democrat is leading the Republican polls."
True, but Trump is winning people over with his non-PC comments about issues like immigration.
He's coming in to the right of most GOP candidates (though it's more populist that conservative). He's saying what used to be considered common sense things like "Halt Muslim immigration until we can figure things out" and "Why does Obama keep announcing state secrets?"
Why are we stupid for wanting to listen to someone who is dealing with issues in the same terms as citizens vs. the narrowly defined acceptable area of discussion/PC-speak we've been fed by politicians and the MSM for years?
True, but Trump is winning people over with his non-PC comments about issues like immigration.
He's coming in to the right of most GOP candidates (though it's more populist that conservative). He's saying what used to be considered common sense things like "Halt Muslim immigration until we can figure things out" and "Why does Obama keep announcing state secrets?"
Why are we stupid for wanting to listen to someone who is dealing with issues in the same terms as citizens vs. the narrowly defined acceptable area of discussion/PC-speak we've been fed by politicians and the MSM for years?
Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2016 12:39 PM (NOIQH)
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Ever notice most people that consider themselves of the "intelllectual" class arent really that intelligent??
Educated? Yes.
Credentialed? Yes.
Intelligent? Nope.
Ever notice most people that consider themselves of the "intelllectual" class arent really that intelligent??
Educated? Yes.
Credentialed? Yes.
Intelligent? Nope.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 26, 2016 12:39 PM (8XRCm)
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so here he criticizes his own when he notes that evangelicals have long shied away from engagement with the less-devout world. This has meant they as a group tend to lack intellectual curiosity and rigor.
When you call them bitter clingers you might not get their votes!
When you call them bitter clingers you might not get their votes!
Posted by: Matt Lewis at January 26, 2016 12:40 PM (XkVXQ)
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Those dimwitted Christians even have a go-to passage in the Bible for this sort of thing: "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." (Matthew 7:18-20)
Ben Franklin had a nice, shorter version: "There never was a good knife made from bad steel."
Ben Franklin had a nice, shorter version: "There never was a good knife made from bad steel."
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 26, 2016 12:40 PM (9krrF)
Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 26, 2016 12:40 PM (kKHcp)
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America's "standard of living" was raised by the unions and government entitlements. Those are what really made America special.
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The "intellectuals" on the Right have basically agreed with the Prog/Com
Dims. They want to move the country away from freedom, the rule of law,
capitalism and individuality, just like the Left does.
I rarely see anyone on the Right speaking publicly about these
things. There's a lot for us to be proud of: we did more to raise the
world's standard of living during the 20th Century than any other
society in history.
We freed a lot of people, but it seems the good die young...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 26, 2016 12:36 PM (LUgeY)
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The "intellectuals" on the Right have basically agreed with the Prog/Com
Dims. They want to move the country away from freedom, the rule of law,
capitalism and individuality, just like the Left does.
I rarely see anyone on the Right speaking publicly about these
things. There's a lot for us to be proud of: we did more to raise the
world's standard of living during the 20th Century than any other
society in history.
We freed a lot of people, but it seems the good die young...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 26, 2016 12:36 PM (LUgeY)
Posted by: Every Leftist I know at January 26, 2016 12:40 PM (MYMcU)
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I'm my own Grandpa!
Posted by: Dwight Latham at January 26, 2016 12:40 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 26, 2016 12:41 PM (9krrF)
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I *hate* that damn song.
So do I, but I want to appropriate all the old protest songs for us today.
So do I, but I want to appropriate all the old protest songs for us today.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 26, 2016 12:42 PM (LUgeY)
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44 The condescension started gathering steam with George Herbert Walker Texas Ranger Saint Aidan Bush.
That Japanese Prime Minister got off easy -- Bush 41 vomited on him only once. HW has been vomiting on us for decades now through his actions.
44 The condescension started gathering steam with George Herbert Walker Texas Ranger Saint Aidan Bush.
That Japanese Prime Minister got off easy -- Bush 41 vomited on him only once. HW has been vomiting on us for decades now through his actions.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 26, 2016 12:42 PM (BK3ZS)
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If they were really all that smart, they'd be upwind of their ass-waft.
They pee into the wind too, and complain of rain.
They pee into the wind too, and complain of rain.
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 26, 2016 12:42 PM (gyKtp)
Posted by: eleven at January 26, 2016 12:42 PM (qUNWi)
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Conservatism has lost all practical meaning politically.
We inhabit a poliocal world and reality created by FDR, LBJ and Ted Kennedy and "CON-servatives" have done precious little to change that.
But I hear Paul Ryan is going to have a #yearofideas in 2016.
So we have that to look forward to.
We inhabit a poliocal world and reality created by FDR, LBJ and Ted Kennedy and "CON-servatives" have done precious little to change that.
But I hear Paul Ryan is going to have a #yearofideas in 2016.
So we have that to look forward to.
Posted by: Kreplach at January 26, 2016 12:43 PM (h7cwh)
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Reagan, 1980: I'll cut your taxes, I grow the economy, I'll get you jobs
Reagan 1984: I cut your taxes, I grew the economy, I got you jobs
Bush 1988: I'll keep doing what Reagan did
Bush 1992: Sorry about that, this time I promise to go back to what Reagan did
Dole: 1996: Hey, uh, Gingrich did some good stuff. Which is alright. I guess. That Clinton sure is sort of a bad guy? I like the American with Disabilities Act.
Bush 2000: Conservatives are kinda mean--I'm not a meanie.
Bush 2004: Well, the War on Terror fell into my lap. so, I'll kinda keep fighting it. How about some more federal programs and spending? Do you want the Democrats to win?
McCain 2008: Barack Obama isn't a bad guy. Most Democrats are alright. You have to vote for me, though, 'cause if you don't--bad stuff and things.
Romney 2012: Barack Obama might not be all bad--but them Democrats are worse. Here' a 9,462 point plan to tweak the federal government for efficiency. Vote for me 'cause the Democrats are worse.
[GOPe Preferred Candidate 2016]: Vote for me, the Democrats are worse.
==========
See a pattern?
20 years since the Republican Party has had a record of actual conservative achievements to run on.
20 years the Democrats have advanced their agenda far beyond anything they'd dreamed they'd get in 1996.
There is literally nothing Trump could do that is worse than what the Republican Party has allowed to happen in the last 20 years.
I don't fear the burning, it's just stirring up the embers at this point; what's left to burn?
Reagan 1984: I cut your taxes, I grew the economy, I got you jobs
Bush 1988: I'll keep doing what Reagan did
Bush 1992: Sorry about that, this time I promise to go back to what Reagan did
Dole: 1996: Hey, uh, Gingrich did some good stuff. Which is alright. I guess. That Clinton sure is sort of a bad guy? I like the American with Disabilities Act.
Bush 2000: Conservatives are kinda mean--I'm not a meanie.
Bush 2004: Well, the War on Terror fell into my lap. so, I'll kinda keep fighting it. How about some more federal programs and spending? Do you want the Democrats to win?
McCain 2008: Barack Obama isn't a bad guy. Most Democrats are alright. You have to vote for me, though, 'cause if you don't--bad stuff and things.
Romney 2012: Barack Obama might not be all bad--but them Democrats are worse. Here' a 9,462 point plan to tweak the federal government for efficiency. Vote for me 'cause the Democrats are worse.
[GOPe Preferred Candidate 2016]: Vote for me, the Democrats are worse.
==========
See a pattern?
20 years since the Republican Party has had a record of actual conservative achievements to run on.
20 years the Democrats have advanced their agenda far beyond anything they'd dreamed they'd get in 1996.
There is literally nothing Trump could do that is worse than what the Republican Party has allowed to happen in the last 20 years.
I don't fear the burning, it's just stirring up the embers at this point; what's left to burn?
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 26, 2016 12:44 PM (fQ/0p)
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BTW, I posit that the real inbred hicks are the folks who live work and marry all within the Beltway and Ivy League. Dims and Pubbies have been marrying each other for decades now. Any group that does not occasionally take in new seed stock becomes moribund and attenuated, see
English Aristocracy
French Aristocracy
Russian Aristocracy
just to name 3.
Diminishing mental acuity and hemophilia are bugs, not features.
English Aristocracy
French Aristocracy
Russian Aristocracy
just to name 3.
Diminishing mental acuity and hemophilia are bugs, not features.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at January 26, 2016 12:45 PM (kXoT0)
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Didn't know hemophilia was a cousin humper thing.
Posted by: eleven at January 26, 2016 12:47 PM (qUNWi)
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Conservatives haven't gotten less intellectual; it's those self-proclaimed intellectuals have gotten less conservative!
And not like getting a college education has helped the young Obama voters: they're, at best, underemployed and possibly still living with their parents because everything is too expensive.
The "intellectuals" are a problem in general, because they live in their bubble of excess without a worry as to what the proles actually suffer. At least one party's base is revolting against its leadership; the members of the other one seem to happily go down with their sinking ship, none the wiser as to who drove it into the iceberg.
And not like getting a college education has helped the young Obama voters: they're, at best, underemployed and possibly still living with their parents because everything is too expensive.
The "intellectuals" are a problem in general, because they live in their bubble of excess without a worry as to what the proles actually suffer. At least one party's base is revolting against its leadership; the members of the other one seem to happily go down with their sinking ship, none the wiser as to who drove it into the iceberg.
Posted by: Nutsy the Buzzard at January 26, 2016 12:48 PM (lJJaE)
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You know what the real stupidity of the piece is? The headline idea that the "stupid party" got its name from the base. Actually, the moniker is, in a way, a compliment. It refers to the inexplicable way that the party's national leadership throws away obvious advantages to advance the party's publicly stated agenda. Because, if they are not just stupid, that would mean their failures are quite deliberate. Which would make them plain old evil. So, we have been giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming they are merely stupid.
No surprise that the dumb fucks over at the Weekly Standard couldn't tell the difference. That is, assuming that their misinformation piece is merely based on stupidity.
No surprise that the dumb fucks over at the Weekly Standard couldn't tell the difference. That is, assuming that their misinformation piece is merely based on stupidity.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at January 26, 2016 12:48 PM (R+30W)
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I don't fear the burning, it's just stirring up the embers at this point; what's left to burn?
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 26, 2016 12:44 PM (fQ/0p)
All those nice safe high salary K street jobs. There was no starker example of pay for play than the various high paying jobs lavished on the Clinton Spawn. More than one entity paid her hundreds of thousands of dollars to not show up and when she did show up to do execrable work while looking like a clown college reject.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 26, 2016 12:44 PM (fQ/0p)
All those nice safe high salary K street jobs. There was no starker example of pay for play than the various high paying jobs lavished on the Clinton Spawn. More than one entity paid her hundreds of thousands of dollars to not show up and when she did show up to do execrable work while looking like a clown college reject.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at January 26, 2016 12:50 PM (kXoT0)
69
UN Secretary-General sympathizes with Palestinian terror
UN chief Ban Ki-moon condemns Israeli settlements, but justifies murderous Palestinian terrorist attacks.
Why doesn't this dick just move back to North Korea
UN chief Ban Ki-moon condemns Israeli settlements, but justifies murderous Palestinian terrorist attacks.
Why doesn't this dick just move back to North Korea
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 12:50 PM (kzdjp)
70
How about "Matt Lewis is a pud" for the headline of the article.
Posted by: ejo at January 26, 2016 12:51 PM (il4FI)
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This has meant they as a group tend to lack intellectual curiosity and rigor.
--
Why is it always proffered that one lacks intellectual curiosity, and is thus not an intellectual, if the conventional thought of Intellectual Group A, B, etc., on any given topic is rejected?
Could it be that one can actually weigh everything, come to a differing conclusion to said Intellectual Group, and be an actual intellectual? Group think does not a high intellect make. And the majority of whom we are told are "intellectuals" participate in total group think.
--
Why is it always proffered that one lacks intellectual curiosity, and is thus not an intellectual, if the conventional thought of Intellectual Group A, B, etc., on any given topic is rejected?
Could it be that one can actually weigh everything, come to a differing conclusion to said Intellectual Group, and be an actual intellectual? Group think does not a high intellect make. And the majority of whom we are told are "intellectuals" participate in total group think.
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at January 26, 2016 12:53 PM (pVkEV)
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Per Wikipedia:
"Haemophilia, also spelled hemophilia, is a group of hereditary genetic disorders that impairs the body's ability to control blood clotting, which is used to stop bleeding when a blood vessel is broken."
It was a problem for the Russian Czars and the Pharaohs. When it takes a double recessive gene to express the disease and one keeps marrying other folks with the same gene, the odds are not good.
"Haemophilia, also spelled hemophilia, is a group of hereditary genetic disorders that impairs the body's ability to control blood clotting, which is used to stop bleeding when a blood vessel is broken."
It was a problem for the Russian Czars and the Pharaohs. When it takes a double recessive gene to express the disease and one keeps marrying other folks with the same gene, the odds are not good.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at January 26, 2016 12:54 PM (kXoT0)
73
When it takes a double recessive gene to express the disease and one
keeps marrying other folks with the same gene, the odds are not good.
On the plus side, it only takes a few hundred years to go from wolves to Shih-Tzus.
Assuming you think that is a good thing.
keeps marrying other folks with the same gene, the odds are not good.
On the plus side, it only takes a few hundred years to go from wolves to Shih-Tzus.
Assuming you think that is a good thing.
Posted by: pep at January 26, 2016 12:56 PM (LAe3v)
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*Farts*
*Farts loudly*
Posted by: Arson Wells
And that is still a greater display of accomplishment than the entire GOP-lead 114th Congress.
*Farts loudly*
Posted by: Arson Wells
And that is still a greater display of accomplishment than the entire GOP-lead 114th Congress.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 26, 2016 12:58 PM (W0RfD)
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What I think it really comes down to is this: if the two do split once and for all, who do you consider *your* people? Who are you going to side with? Those Southern evangelical hicks, or the Beltway cocktail party crowd?
For me, it's no contest. No, the first group isn't perfect. The people I grew up around were often way too addicted to welfare (among other things), they did on occasion express genuinely racist sentiments, they weren't always given to logical thinking. But they're still the people I feel most comfortable with, and I wouldn't change them if I could. The corduroy-wearing, Ivy League crowd who talk so glibly about the theory of this or that over hors d'oeuvres...I can converse with them, but I don't really like them.
Which is why I could probably pull the lever for Trump, if it came to it. I like Cruz much better, but while I distrust him rationally, the sentiments he's expressing really speak to me, as they do to lots of middle Americans.
For me, it's no contest. No, the first group isn't perfect. The people I grew up around were often way too addicted to welfare (among other things), they did on occasion express genuinely racist sentiments, they weren't always given to logical thinking. But they're still the people I feel most comfortable with, and I wouldn't change them if I could. The corduroy-wearing, Ivy League crowd who talk so glibly about the theory of this or that over hors d'oeuvres...I can converse with them, but I don't really like them.
Which is why I could probably pull the lever for Trump, if it came to it. I like Cruz much better, but while I distrust him rationally, the sentiments he's expressing really speak to me, as they do to lots of middle Americans.
Posted by: T at January 26, 2016 12:58 PM (NctcF)
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#73
Shih-Tzus can't raise my taxes or ruin my health insurance.
Besides that responsible dog breeders are very careful to make sure that certain breeding lines are not combined because that results in dead or sick puppies. Our incestuous ruling class is the equivalent of rampant puppy mill breeding.
Shih-Tzus can't raise my taxes or ruin my health insurance.
Besides that responsible dog breeders are very careful to make sure that certain breeding lines are not combined because that results in dead or sick puppies. Our incestuous ruling class is the equivalent of rampant puppy mill breeding.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at January 26, 2016 01:01 PM (kXoT0)
77
The people I grew up around were often way too addicted to welfare (among other things), they did on occasion express genuinely racist sentiments, they weren't always given to logical thinking. But they're still the people I feel most comfortable with, and I wouldn't change them if I could. The corduroy-wearing, Ivy League crowd who talk so glibly about the theory of this or that over hors d'oeuvres...I can converse with them, but I don't really like them.
Posted by: T at January 26, 2016 12:58 PM (NctcF)
The first group would probably fight to the death to keep you from being sent to the camps, while the second group would turn their heads and let your be dragged off.
Posted by: T at January 26, 2016 12:58 PM (NctcF)
The first group would probably fight to the death to keep you from being sent to the camps, while the second group would turn their heads and let your be dragged off.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at January 26, 2016 01:03 PM (kXoT0)
78
Our incestuous ruling class is the equivalent of rampant puppy mill breeding.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil
Great analogy!
I will be using that.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil
Great analogy!
I will be using that.
Posted by: Bruce at January 26, 2016 01:03 PM (8ikIW)
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Conservatives haven't gotten less intellectual; it's those self-proclaimed intellectuals have gotten less conservative!
Posted by: Nutsy the Buzzard at January 26, 2016 12:48 PM (lJJaE)
The "intellectuals" have become anti-intellectual. It's all about the feelz, and the only criterion for success is who you know that can deliver the goods.
See: the "climate change" industry.
Posted by: Nutsy the Buzzard at January 26, 2016 12:48 PM (lJJaE)
The "intellectuals" have become anti-intellectual. It's all about the feelz, and the only criterion for success is who you know that can deliver the goods.
See: the "climate change" industry.
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 01:03 PM (s5o+q)
80
TWO New thread.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at January 26, 2016 01:04 PM (kXoT0)
81
#78 Use it with my blessings.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at January 26, 2016 01:04 PM (kXoT0)
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The first group would probably fight to the death to keep you from being
sent to the camps, while the second group would turn their heads and
let your be dragged off.
The second group will tell us WE failed because WE did not work at the solution/golden plan hard enough.
sent to the camps, while the second group would turn their heads and
let your be dragged off.
The second group will tell us WE failed because WE did not work at the solution/golden plan hard enough.
Posted by: Bruce at January 26, 2016 01:04 PM (8ikIW)
83
Well then. So I'm too stupid to vote. This stupidity has apparently arisen from my faith, and from a stubborn resistance to intellectualism. Okay then. I won't vote. Too dumb. There, does that make it all better? Good luck in the next election. And by good luck. I mean may plagues beset you.
Oops - I made a Biblical reference, which just reinforces the fact that I am not sofistikated enuff to be a Republican. Have a nice day. See you at the polls. Oops! I forgot! I'm not voting. Maybe I'll just go to church that day instead, and read C.S. Lewis. Or Chesterton. Or St. Augustine. A little light reading for us feeble-minded folks out here in Jesusland.
Oops - I made a Biblical reference, which just reinforces the fact that I am not sofistikated enuff to be a Republican. Have a nice day. See you at the polls. Oops! I forgot! I'm not voting. Maybe I'll just go to church that day instead, and read C.S. Lewis. Or Chesterton. Or St. Augustine. A little light reading for us feeble-minded folks out here in Jesusland.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 01:10 PM (dFi94)
84
Well this would have been a great topic to chat on, had Ace not stomped on it twice 
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 01:11 PM (39g3+)
85
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
An early version of "Let it Burn"?
An early version of "Let it Burn"?
Posted by: rickl at January 26, 2016 01:13 PM (zoehZ)
86
Shih-Tzus can't raise my taxes or ruin my health insurance.
Besides that responsible dog breeders are very careful to make sure
that certain breeding lines are not combined because that results in
dead or sick puppies. Our incestuous ruling class is the equivalent of
rampant puppy mill breeding.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars
Okay, I'll grant you that, but at least Federal bureaucrats don't poop inside.....uh, never mind.
Besides that responsible dog breeders are very careful to make sure
that certain breeding lines are not combined because that results in
dead or sick puppies. Our incestuous ruling class is the equivalent of
rampant puppy mill breeding.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars
Okay, I'll grant you that, but at least Federal bureaucrats don't poop inside.....uh, never mind.
Posted by: pep at January 26, 2016 01:13 PM (LAe3v)
87
So, the socon rebellion continues. Le Sigh.
The winning coalition for the 21st century is socially tolerant, fiscally conservative, and strong on defense.
What's happening here is that the socially conservative wing is discovering what the rest of America already knows: it's influence is declining. And they're throwing a tantrum about it.
Whatev
The winning coalition for the 21st century is socially tolerant, fiscally conservative, and strong on defense.
What's happening here is that the socially conservative wing is discovering what the rest of America already knows: it's influence is declining. And they're throwing a tantrum about it.
Whatev
Posted by: DriveBy at January 26, 2016 01:15 PM (C9Vc8)
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Feculant is a word that doesn't get nearly as much airplay as it should.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 01:17 PM (OrI3J)
89
It was not part of their blood,
It came to them very late,
With long arrears to make good,
When the Saxon began to hate.
They were not easily moved,
They were icy -- willing to wait
Till every count should be proved,
Ere the Saxon began to hate.
It came to them very late,
With long arrears to make good,
When the Saxon began to hate.
They were not easily moved,
They were icy -- willing to wait
Till every count should be proved,
Ere the Saxon began to hate.
Posted by: Phelps at January 26, 2016 01:17 PM (cZ5uT)
90
You are confusing two groups:
1. Conservative intellectuals and opinion-makers. They've been making the case for a conservative revival since the end of WWII.
2. The national GOP, a collection of professional hacks, hangers-on, politicians with questionable ethics and an insatiable need to be "accepted" by the D.C. cocktail circuit, and other bottom feeders.
The second group had betrayed us, sold us out, and given us Trump. The first group is being vilified for just pointing this out.
1. Conservative intellectuals and opinion-makers. They've been making the case for a conservative revival since the end of WWII.
2. The national GOP, a collection of professional hacks, hangers-on, politicians with questionable ethics and an insatiable need to be "accepted" by the D.C. cocktail circuit, and other bottom feeders.
The second group had betrayed us, sold us out, and given us Trump. The first group is being vilified for just pointing this out.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 26, 2016 01:17 PM (Q1Btd)
91
So, the socon rebellion continues. Le Sigh.
The winning coalition for the 21st century is socially tolerant, fiscally conservative, and strong on defense.
What's happening here is that the socially conservative wing is
discovering what the rest of America already knows: it's influence is
declining. And they're throwing a tantrum about it.
Whatev
Posted by: DriveBy at January 26, 2016 01:15 PM (C9Vc
You better pray (SWIDT) that you are wrong. What will replace the Christian underpinnings of this country will not be kind to all sorts of sinners that Christians have tolerated but not condoned in our midst (because that is what our God tells us to do).
The winning coalition for the 21st century is socially tolerant, fiscally conservative, and strong on defense.
What's happening here is that the socially conservative wing is
discovering what the rest of America already knows: it's influence is
declining. And they're throwing a tantrum about it.
Whatev
Posted by: DriveBy at January 26, 2016 01:15 PM (C9Vc
You better pray (SWIDT) that you are wrong. What will replace the Christian underpinnings of this country will not be kind to all sorts of sinners that Christians have tolerated but not condoned in our midst (because that is what our God tells us to do).
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 01:22 PM (OrI3J)
92
Mind you, it is "The Weakly Standard" a magazine made up entirely of out of touch GOP Establishment hacks.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 26, 2016 01:24 PM (GsebS)
93
If I'm forced to choose between the lumpenproles and the think-tank
eggheads, I'll throw my lot in with the peasants. They're a lot smarter
than the sneering elites give them credit for, and they don't sit around
all day inhaling their own ass-waft.
****
Hear, hear and here, here.
Fvcking arrogant prickholes.
Actually, "dingleberries" is more fitting for the effete elites than the baser term, "prickholes. "Dingleberries" plays into their wrongfully inflated egos because it sounds more regal: " I now present you Sir Chance Bottomfeeding Dingleberry III and his beautiful (albeit surgically enhanced) wife, Dawn."
Dingleberry also, by definition, sums up their real life worth in being a "loyal oposition" to the rats and in furthering the purported foundational goals of the GOP for the betterment of this nation and its peoples, i.e., as effective in the big picture as a little turd tangled in the ass hairs of a dog. ~spit~
eggheads, I'll throw my lot in with the peasants. They're a lot smarter
than the sneering elites give them credit for, and they don't sit around
all day inhaling their own ass-waft.
****
Hear, hear and here, here.
Fvcking arrogant prickholes.
Actually, "dingleberries" is more fitting for the effete elites than the baser term, "prickholes. "Dingleberries" plays into their wrongfully inflated egos because it sounds more regal: " I now present you Sir Chance Bottomfeeding Dingleberry III and his beautiful (albeit surgically enhanced) wife, Dawn."
Dingleberry also, by definition, sums up their real life worth in being a "loyal oposition" to the rats and in furthering the purported foundational goals of the GOP for the betterment of this nation and its peoples, i.e., as effective in the big picture as a little turd tangled in the ass hairs of a dog. ~spit~
Posted by: oddnot not liking these times at January 26, 2016 01:24 PM (g1MTt)
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The winning coalition for the 21st century is socially tolerant, fiscally conservative, and strong on defense.
Who is fiscally conservative? Nobody.
Strong on defense? Who?
The 'wins' of the GOP have been with the force of conservative voters, who they then pissed on, over and over.
Let's see the RINOs win without them.
The winning coalition for the 21st century is socially tolerant, fiscally conservative, and strong on defense.
Who is fiscally conservative? Nobody.
Strong on defense? Who?
The 'wins' of the GOP have been with the force of conservative voters, who they then pissed on, over and over.
Let's see the RINOs win without them.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 26, 2016 01:25 PM (oVJmc)
95
Posted by: DriveBy at January 26, 2016 01:15 PM (C9Vc
==========================================
There's no tantrum. There's waking up to the fact that you have given time, money and votes for people who told you one thing and delivered another. Or delivered nothing at all. Now, what would the wise thing to do be when you realized these facts? To continue to give time, money and votes? Or to decline to give time, money and votes?
I think you're saying that the Republican party will do better without these voters. The math would not show that to be the case, examining past elections. But I guess we'll see what happens when the largest single voting bloc of the Party (based on past elections) decides that it's time to re-evaluate where their time, money and votes go, going forward.
I think a fair parallel might be, what if a majority of blacks decided to desert the Democratic Party? After realizing that most of what has been promised is mere lip service. What would happen? What would the impact be on the Democrats?
==========================================
There's no tantrum. There's waking up to the fact that you have given time, money and votes for people who told you one thing and delivered another. Or delivered nothing at all. Now, what would the wise thing to do be when you realized these facts? To continue to give time, money and votes? Or to decline to give time, money and votes?
I think you're saying that the Republican party will do better without these voters. The math would not show that to be the case, examining past elections. But I guess we'll see what happens when the largest single voting bloc of the Party (based on past elections) decides that it's time to re-evaluate where their time, money and votes go, going forward.
I think a fair parallel might be, what if a majority of blacks decided to desert the Democratic Party? After realizing that most of what has been promised is mere lip service. What would happen? What would the impact be on the Democrats?
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 01:30 PM (dFi94)
96
Even as an "unintellectual" Evangelical, I can find no reason to vote for Donald Trump other than to stop Hillary.
I don't need another Messiah and I don't believe Trump can part the Gulf and compel millions of Mexicans, etc., to walk back home.
Neither Barack nor Donald is the place for Christians to look for hopey changey regardless of their bluster.
I don't need another Messiah and I don't believe Trump can part the Gulf and compel millions of Mexicans, etc., to walk back home.
Neither Barack nor Donald is the place for Christians to look for hopey changey regardless of their bluster.
Posted by: elHombre at January 26, 2016 01:36 PM (RqKC2)
97
Wow, Monty's post is revenant. Back from da dead.
Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at January 26, 2016 01:38 PM (xWW96)
98
Trump is an asshole btw.
Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at January 26, 2016 01:39 PM (xWW96)
99
Back on top, baby!
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 01:39 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 01:40 PM (kzdjp)
Posted by: Amy Schumer at January 26, 2016 01:41 PM (8XRCm)
102
I checked in earlier and Monty's post was stomped (a couple of times) by Ace, who had double posts; check in now and Monty is back on top...pretty confusing for a dumb voter like me.
Posted by: IC at January 26, 2016 01:41 PM (a0IVu)
103
Anyone else suffering from whiplash?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 26, 2016 01:41 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: filbert at January 26, 2016 01:41 PM (s5o+q)
105
Man is this blog on fire! I'm trying to catch up on the morning information during lunch and there is 5 posts since 11:30 local.
Monty - 1
Ace stompening himself - 2
The joke theft post r3.0 - 1
Monty repost -1
And as a side note, I'm a moron so do not quote math at me.
Monty - 1
Ace stompening himself - 2
The joke theft post r3.0 - 1
Monty repost -1
And as a side note, I'm a moron so do not quote math at me.
Posted by: tbodie at January 26, 2016 01:42 PM (Z2OIC)
106
Some cob take off Ace's stompy boots. He's out of control.
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 01:42 PM (2x3L+)
107
"If the GOP brain-trust was arguing from a baseline of stellar success
and policy wins, it'd be different. But the post-Reagan era has been an
utter catastrophe in terms of actual conservative policy, and on all
fronts: cultural, economic, foreign-policy, tax policy, you name it."
There's a question only rarely asked among conservatives, but one that should be more widely aired:
What exactly remains which is worth "conserving" at this point?
and policy wins, it'd be different. But the post-Reagan era has been an
utter catastrophe in terms of actual conservative policy, and on all
fronts: cultural, economic, foreign-policy, tax policy, you name it."
There's a question only rarely asked among conservatives, but one that should be more widely aired:
What exactly remains which is worth "conserving" at this point?
Posted by: torquewrench at January 26, 2016 01:42 PM (noWW6)
108
When the SHTF, I'd rather deal with people who know how to weld rather than people who know how to uncover system of gender oppression.
Posted by: Jeffersonian at January 26, 2016 01:42 PM (+ttLq)
109
The Revenant Post.
Posted by: eleven at January 26, 2016 01:43 PM (qUNWi)
110
This reminds me of something I read earlier today. It was pretty good. Can't find the link, though
Posted by: Ed Anger at January 26, 2016 01:44 PM (lD7f3)
111
#WisdomOfTheHorde
If I'm forced to choose between the lumpenproles and the think-tank
eggheads, I'll throw my lot in with the peasants. They're a lot smarter
than the sneering elites give them credit for, and they don't sit around
all day inhaling their own ass-waft.
----------------
45 I'd rather have a poorly performing system freely chosen that a perfect system imposed.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 12:38 PM (evdj2)
This concludes the #WisdomOfTheHorde
If I'm forced to choose between the lumpenproles and the think-tank
eggheads, I'll throw my lot in with the peasants. They're a lot smarter
than the sneering elites give them credit for, and they don't sit around
all day inhaling their own ass-waft.
----------------
45 I'd rather have a poorly performing system freely chosen that a perfect system imposed.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 12:38 PM (evdj2)
This concludes the #WisdomOfTheHorde
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 01:44 PM (xuouz)
Posted by: Meremortal at January 26, 2016 01:44 PM (3myMJ)
113
It's old.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 01:44 PM (rwI+c)
114
" so here he criticizes his own when he notes that evangelicals have long shied away from engagement with the less-devout world. This has meant they as a group tend to lack intellectual curiosity and rigor."
Wow, 'Christians are stooopid!' How original.
He's saying there are NO intellectual evangelicals.
Wow, 'Christians are stooopid!' How original.
He's saying there are NO intellectual evangelicals.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2016 01:45 PM (NOIQH)
115
This blog often serves as a fine example of entropy. That is physics wise rather than thermodynamically. Things tend always to move from a more ordered state to a more disorganized chaotic state.
Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at January 26, 2016 01:45 PM (xWW96)
116
106 Some cob take off Ace's stompy boots. He's out of control.
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 01:42 PM (2x3L+)
Ancient rare Neu Yorke boots of enstompening +7.
Made from real Dunham skin.
Use them well.
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 01:42 PM (2x3L+)
Ancient rare Neu Yorke boots of enstompening +7.
Made from real Dunham skin.
Use them well.
Posted by: The wise old man in the hooded cloak at January 26, 2016 01:45 PM (xuouz)
117
The Republican party has been searching for the meaning of life ever since the Soviet Union collapsed.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 26, 2016 01:45 PM (FkBIv)
118
Is this where all the shtoopid people hang out? I'm curious to know where the bathrooms are.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 01:46 PM (dFi94)
119
>>When the SHTF, I'd rather deal with people who know how to weld rather than people who know how to uncover system of gender oppression.
Heh, THIS.
Heh, THIS.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2016 01:47 PM (NOIQH)
120
IC @ 102
Thank God. I am on muscle relaxers due to muscle spasms and thought that I was seeing things.
Re Matt Lewis--he really wants acceptance from GOPE--and Henry Olsen of the National Chambers is just the person to give it to him.
Thank God. I am on muscle relaxers due to muscle spasms and thought that I was seeing things.
Re Matt Lewis--he really wants acceptance from GOPE--and Henry Olsen of the National Chambers is just the person to give it to him.
Posted by: whig at January 26, 2016 01:47 PM (mlyQI)
121
My caller ID says the Republican National Committee just called.
Call someone else is my advice. I don't even care enough to yell at you any more.
Call someone else is my advice. I don't even care enough to yell at you any more.
Posted by: MTF at January 26, 2016 01:47 PM (TxJGV)
122
National Review goes Lewis one better (or two or ten). Via Breitbart and John Nolte, "National Review Goes Full Snob; Attacks Trump Voters as Ignorant Bigots". Read it at Breitbart.
Can this be NR's way of encouraging voters to support Trump instead of Cruz? This is beyond ridiculous.
Can this be NR's way of encouraging voters to support Trump instead of Cruz? This is beyond ridiculous.
Posted by: OCBill at January 26, 2016 01:47 PM (ImuvB)
123
I think a fair parallel might be, what if a majority of blacks decided to desert the Democratic Party? After realizing that most of what has been promised is mere lip service. What would happen? What would the impact be on the Democrats?
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 01:30 PM (dFi94)
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The blacks will migrate to The-Rent-is-Too-Damn-High party.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 01:30 PM (dFi94)
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The blacks will migrate to The-Rent-is-Too-Damn-High party.
Posted by: Soona at January 26, 2016 01:47 PM (Fmupd)
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>>> Is this where all the shtoopid people hang out? I'm curious to know where the bathrooms are.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26,
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The Barrel, grammie
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26,
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The Barrel, grammie
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 01:48 PM (2x3L+)
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Poppy peed the couch!
Posted by: Amy Schumer at January 26, 2016 01:48 PM (rwI+c)
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118 Is this where all the shtoopid people hang out? I'm curious to know where the bathrooms are.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 01:46 PM (dFi94)
I'm a man, grammie, so the bathroom is wherever I choose to drop the fly.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 01:46 PM (dFi94)
I'm a man, grammie, so the bathroom is wherever I choose to drop the fly.
Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at January 26, 2016 01:48 PM (xWW96)
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"This has meant they as a group tend to lack intellectual curiosity and rigor."
What this means is that the vast majority of Evangelicals and other Committed Christians do know what is out there. We choose not to participate in it.
What this means is that the vast majority of Evangelicals and other Committed Christians do know what is out there. We choose not to participate in it.
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old and Unimproved. at January 26, 2016 01:48 PM (WVsWD)
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OT: that poor girl in Sweden who was attacked by one of those delightful fun-loving scamps from the Middle East has died.
Damn.
Damn.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 26, 2016 01:48 PM (oKE6c)
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He's saying there are NO intellectual evangelicals.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2016 01:45 PM (NOIQH)
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Oh my goodness. I know so many, many Christians who I stand in awe of. Their intellectual and reasoning skills amaze me. One man alone that I know speaks 7 languages and has written books in 3.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2016 01:45 PM (NOIQH)
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Oh my goodness. I know so many, many Christians who I stand in awe of. Their intellectual and reasoning skills amaze me. One man alone that I know speaks 7 languages and has written books in 3.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 01:49 PM (dFi94)
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I think there's a misplaced cause and effect going on here. The GOP didn't just decide to go left one day. It's reflecting the population. People keep bringing up 1980. Yeah in 1980 the country was center right, capitalist country. 36 years later after tens of millions of peasants imported from the poorest parts of the world, we are now a center left, quasi socialist country going further left every day.
Reagan running today would lose to Sanders. It sucks, but it's the reality we live in.
So while I hate the smugness of the GOPe, they're not entirely wrong.
Reagan running today would lose to Sanders. It sucks, but it's the reality we live in.
So while I hate the smugness of the GOPe, they're not entirely wrong.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 01:49 PM (0LHZx)
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The Barrel, grammie
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 01:48 PM (2x3L+)
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So, kinda like an outhouse then. But without all the fresh air.
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 01:48 PM (2x3L+)
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So, kinda like an outhouse then. But without all the fresh air.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 01:50 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at January 26, 2016 01:50 PM (kXoT0)
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So, the socon rebellion continues. Le Sigh.
The winning coalition for the 21st century is socially tolerant, fiscally conservative, and strong on defense.
What's happening here is that the socially conservative wing is
discovering what the rest of America already knows: it's influence is
declining. And they're throwing a tantrum about it.
Whatev
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In the last 20 years, the only--THE ONLY--advances in conservative policy have been the local conservatives on social issues--often fighting the national party.
The only reason there are ANY laws to save lives and prevent the murder of unborn babies is those social conservatives.
They are largely the same block that is the only thing standing against more gun regulations.
The "socially tolerant" wing has delivered fuck-all in the way of advancing conservative policy.
And, in case you are too dim to know what counts as conservative policy: A policy that advances freedom, liberty and personal choice.
PS: Every "socially tolerant" policy requires--requires--ever and ever more expenditures of government funds. To the point that it becomes indistinguishable from liberal spending.
The winning coalition for the 21st century is socially tolerant, fiscally conservative, and strong on defense.
What's happening here is that the socially conservative wing is
discovering what the rest of America already knows: it's influence is
declining. And they're throwing a tantrum about it.
Whatev
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In the last 20 years, the only--THE ONLY--advances in conservative policy have been the local conservatives on social issues--often fighting the national party.
The only reason there are ANY laws to save lives and prevent the murder of unborn babies is those social conservatives.
They are largely the same block that is the only thing standing against more gun regulations.
The "socially tolerant" wing has delivered fuck-all in the way of advancing conservative policy.
And, in case you are too dim to know what counts as conservative policy: A policy that advances freedom, liberty and personal choice.
PS: Every "socially tolerant" policy requires--requires--ever and ever more expenditures of government funds. To the point that it becomes indistinguishable from liberal spending.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 26, 2016 01:50 PM (fQ/0p)
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OT: that poor girl in Sweden who was attacked by one of those delightful fun-loving scamps from the Middle East has died.
Damn.
Posted by: Jay Guevara
But there are millions more who haven't attacked anyone. Yet.
Damn.
Posted by: Jay Guevara
But there are millions more who haven't attacked anyone. Yet.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 26, 2016 01:50 PM (FkBIv)
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108 When the SHTF, I'd rather deal with people who know how to weld rather than people who know how to uncover system of gender oppression.
Posted by: Jeffersonian at January 26, 2016 01:42 PM (+ttLq)
Yeah, yeah, you're gender oppressed. Now get out there and earn the case of whiskey for which I traded your sexual favors.
108 When the SHTF, I'd rather deal with people who know how to weld rather than people who know how to uncover system of gender oppression.
Posted by: Jeffersonian at January 26, 2016 01:42 PM (+ttLq)
Yeah, yeah, you're gender oppressed. Now get out there and earn the case of whiskey for which I traded your sexual favors.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 26, 2016 01:50 PM (BK3ZS)
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Whenever I see articles like this, I know that spot has opened at MSNBC for a "conservative".
He was on Morning Joe today.
Has kind of a Sheldon Leonard vibe.
He was on Morning Joe today.
Has kind of a Sheldon Leonard vibe.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at January 26, 2016 01:50 PM (1xUj/)
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The yeomanry is purer of heart than the ruling class. Our greatest leaders nearly all came from the lower classes, and much of that has to do with pragmatism, real convictions, and an aversion to bullshit. "Elites" consider the ability to shed their identity when they're thinking the greatest skill. It's got drawbacks they can't admit, while the yeoman knows his own shortcomings.
And they've gotten to where ace is on this presidential race without needing guidance on it. Who's leading who?
And they've gotten to where ace is on this presidential race without needing guidance on it. Who's leading who?
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 01:50 PM (xuouz)
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Obviously, Jesus would not be appreciated as an intellectual by the elite GOPe. Just a Jewish rube.
Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at January 26, 2016 01:51 PM (xWW96)
139
A pimp's love is different from that of a square.
Posted by: Amy Schumer at January 26, 2016 01:51 PM (rwI+c)
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110 This reminds me of something I read earlier today. It was pretty good. Can't find the link, though
Posted by: Ed Anger at January 26, 2016 01:44 PM (lD7f3)
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I read something today also. It was absolutely spot-on. One of the best articles I've ever read about what's going on right now.
Posted by: Ed Anger at January 26, 2016 01:44 PM (lD7f3)
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I read something today also. It was absolutely spot-on. One of the best articles I've ever read about what's going on right now.
Posted by: Soona at January 26, 2016 01:52 PM (Fmupd)
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My guess with this is that all the "intellectuals" aren't religious in any way and assume that anyone who believes in Jesus Christ dying and then resurrecting from the dead is an idiot that believes in myths and uses religion as a crutch. They betray themselves when they try to write about religion or Christian belief and sound stupid themselves.
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 01:52 PM (2x3L+)
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This is a far more polite response than mine.
I wonder if the GOP has considered filing criminal charges against whomever it was who stole all their copies of How to Win Friends and Influence People.
On the insularity of the Evangelical Christian world, well, I grew up in that world. He's not wrong that it can be very very very insular. So can being on the Hard Left. Any subculture is insular. The issue is whether there is an encouragement to seek out the other side and learn the other side's arguments so as to be able to counter them. Guess what? That's what my Christian school teachers and my religious college professors actively sought to do.
I wonder if the GOP has considered filing criminal charges against whomever it was who stole all their copies of How to Win Friends and Influence People.
On the insularity of the Evangelical Christian world, well, I grew up in that world. He's not wrong that it can be very very very insular. So can being on the Hard Left. Any subculture is insular. The issue is whether there is an encouragement to seek out the other side and learn the other side's arguments so as to be able to counter them. Guess what? That's what my Christian school teachers and my religious college professors actively sought to do.
Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at January 26, 2016 01:53 PM (mf5HN)
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Aren't evangelicals basically liberals who believe in God? Judging by Huckabbee that's my impression.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 01:53 PM (0LHZx)
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"87
So, the socon rebellion continues. Le Sigh.
The winning coalition for the 21st century is socially tolerant, fiscally conservative, and strong on defense.
What's happening here is that the socially conservative wing is
discovering what the rest of America already knows: it's influence is
declining. And they're throwing a tantrum about it.
Whatev
Posted by: DriveBy at January 26, 2016 01:15 PM (C9Vc"
You may well be right. In any event, if there is no party for me then I guess there is not much point in caring any more. I am mostly there now. I have gotten to the point where I no longer feel a sense of kinship with people just because we happen to share the same country name on our passports.
Maybe it is just a tantrum. Or not.
So, the socon rebellion continues. Le Sigh.
The winning coalition for the 21st century is socially tolerant, fiscally conservative, and strong on defense.
What's happening here is that the socially conservative wing is
discovering what the rest of America already knows: it's influence is
declining. And they're throwing a tantrum about it.
Whatev
Posted by: DriveBy at January 26, 2016 01:15 PM (C9Vc
"You may well be right. In any event, if there is no party for me then I guess there is not much point in caring any more. I am mostly there now. I have gotten to the point where I no longer feel a sense of kinship with people just because we happen to share the same country name on our passports.
Maybe it is just a tantrum. Or not.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 26, 2016 01:53 PM (QHgTq)
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Hybrid animals - tiger/lion is a liger
Our one party system could be renamed the
Donkephant party? Elekey?
Our one party system could be renamed the
Donkephant party? Elekey?
Posted by: Cheri at January 26, 2016 01:53 PM (oiNtH)
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While I'm sick of the anti-intellectual Christian trope, if you substitute the idea of a too-large chunk of the electorate that is lacking in critical thinking skills, the GOP and Dem frontrunners make a lot more sense. Who among us hasn't looked at some supporters and wondered, "What the hell are they thinking?" Hillary fans, the Feel the Bern crowd, many Trumpkins or Jeb-usites. There is no discussion that doesn't immediately unravel into bumper-sticker-level mudslinging.
Posted by: red speck at January 26, 2016 01:53 PM (9/Ug/)
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>>Oh my goodness. I know so many, many Christians who I stand in awe of. Their intellectual and reasoning skills amaze me. One man alone that I know speaks 7 languages and has written books in 3.
Exactly. I've sat next to aerospace engineers, physicists, biologists, etc. in church. How many evangelicals does Lewis know?
I'm so very tired of the elitists assuming that Christianity (of any denomination) and intellect are mutually exclusive.
Exactly. I've sat next to aerospace engineers, physicists, biologists, etc. in church. How many evangelicals does Lewis know?
I'm so very tired of the elitists assuming that Christianity (of any denomination) and intellect are mutually exclusive.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2016 01:54 PM (NOIQH)
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Aren't evangelicals basically liberals who believe in God? Judging by Huckabbee that's my impression.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 01:53 PM (0LHZx) Smite posts from (0LHZx)
Marvel at this.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 01:53 PM (0LHZx) Smite posts from (0LHZx)
Marvel at this.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 01:54 PM (rwI+c)
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110 This reminds me of something I read earlier today. It was pretty good. Can't find the link, though
Posted by: Ed Anger at January 26, 2016 01:44 PM (lD7f3)
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I read something today also. It was absolutely spot-on. One of the
best articles I've ever read about what's going on right now.
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It was at that one site, the one where they write all those posts, and people can comment on the post.
It's really good. You should go look it up.
110 This reminds me of something I read earlier today. It was pretty good. Can't find the link, though
Posted by: Ed Anger at January 26, 2016 01:44 PM (lD7f3)
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I read something today also. It was absolutely spot-on. One of the
best articles I've ever read about what's going on right now.
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It was at that one site, the one where they write all those posts, and people can comment on the post.
It's really good. You should go look it up.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 26, 2016 01:54 PM (fQ/0p)
Posted by: L, Elle at January 26, 2016 01:55 PM (2x3L+)
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Heh. You wingas are even hated by you're own party. We the elites of both parties know what is best for you...more government. I want to take away your guns so I can rule with my iron cankles! Heh. Nothing you can do about it. Suck it wingas!
Huma, fetch me a Harvey Wallbanger...
Huma, fetch me a Harvey Wallbanger...
Posted by: Granny Clinton at January 26, 2016 01:55 PM (/TQ6p)
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>> The winning coalition for the 21st century is socially
>> tolerant, fiscally conservative, and strong on defense.
Tolerance does not mean acceptance.
Right now that whole 'fiscal conservative' thing, with the Ex-Im reauthorization and everyone but Cruz pandering for ethanol votes in corn country, looks pretty weak (OTOH, a Cruz win in Iowa over the corn-alcohol barons would restore a little faith.)
Strong on defense? When some candidate actually stands up and says he'll make it a priority to get defense back to 4% of GDP no matter whose oxen are gored in the process, I'll believe someone cares. If you want to take it a step further you blow big holes in the defense procurement process that results in every contract being sucked into one of the borgs because they've got the contracts and the lawyers and the paperwork.
>> tolerant, fiscally conservative, and strong on defense.
Tolerance does not mean acceptance.
Right now that whole 'fiscal conservative' thing, with the Ex-Im reauthorization and everyone but Cruz pandering for ethanol votes in corn country, looks pretty weak (OTOH, a Cruz win in Iowa over the corn-alcohol barons would restore a little faith.)
Strong on defense? When some candidate actually stands up and says he'll make it a priority to get defense back to 4% of GDP no matter whose oxen are gored in the process, I'll believe someone cares. If you want to take it a step further you blow big holes in the defense procurement process that results in every contract being sucked into one of the borgs because they've got the contracts and the lawyers and the paperwork.
Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2016 01:55 PM (o+SC1)
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Religion in America has been on the decline for a long time. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing, it's once again reality. So when a party puts religion as a top priority, it doesn't spell electoral success.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 01:55 PM (0LHZx)
154
Reagan running today would lose to Sanders. It sucks, but it's the reality we live in.
So while I hate the smugness of the GOPe, they're not entirely wrong.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 01:49 PM (0LHZx)
The thing is, the GOP has seen big electoral wins when their candidates have campaigned using actual conservative policies. It's when they get into office that they start shifting to the left rather than at least TRYING to adhere to their campaign promises. That isn't the will of the people who elected them.
So while I hate the smugness of the GOPe, they're not entirely wrong.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 01:49 PM (0LHZx)
The thing is, the GOP has seen big electoral wins when their candidates have campaigned using actual conservative policies. It's when they get into office that they start shifting to the left rather than at least TRYING to adhere to their campaign promises. That isn't the will of the people who elected them.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at January 26, 2016 01:57 PM (4df7R)
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Sherry McEvil (above) is dead-on right!
Evangelicals spend a lot of time thinking, examining and debating what they can support.
Evangelicals spend a lot of time thinking, examining and debating what they can support.
Posted by: SurferDoc at January 26, 2016 01:57 PM (aOVQw)
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129 He's saying there are NO intellectual evangelicals.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2016 01:45 PM (NOIQH)
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Oh my goodness. I know so many, many Christians who I stand in awe of. Their intellectual and reasoning skills amaze me. One man alone that I know speaks 7 languages and has written books in 3.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 01:49 PM (dFi94)
Exactly. Besides, nothing makes me want to vote for someone more than them telling me I'm stupid and can't understand their loftiness. The last time that happened, I joined the damned Foreign Service. (A fellow grad student told me I couldn't pass the FS exam because I was blond and had big boobs, which obviously meant I was an ignorant bimbo. Ignore the fact that we were both in graduate school. I passed the test and was brought in, she didn't pass the test. There you go.)
And I will also posit that although West Virginia may "technically" be in the South, they are in no shape or form, Southern. Just sayin.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2016 01:45 PM (NOIQH)
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Oh my goodness. I know so many, many Christians who I stand in awe of. Their intellectual and reasoning skills amaze me. One man alone that I know speaks 7 languages and has written books in 3.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 01:49 PM (dFi94)
Exactly. Besides, nothing makes me want to vote for someone more than them telling me I'm stupid and can't understand their loftiness. The last time that happened, I joined the damned Foreign Service. (A fellow grad student told me I couldn't pass the FS exam because I was blond and had big boobs, which obviously meant I was an ignorant bimbo. Ignore the fact that we were both in graduate school. I passed the test and was brought in, she didn't pass the test. There you go.)
And I will also posit that although West Virginia may "technically" be in the South, they are in no shape or form, Southern. Just sayin.
Posted by: Moki at January 26, 2016 01:57 PM (7q2ch)
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I see Trump waving a bible around. I ain't buyin' it.
Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at January 26, 2016 01:57 PM (xWW96)
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Lil' Matty Lewis knows nothing about conservatism, and his contempt for actual conservatives seeps into everyone of his dim-witted musings. I skip his bullshit and go straight to the comments section: the people who bother to read him on the DC loathe his punk ass, and rip his stupid observations to shreds.
That Carlson keeps Matt Lewis around is one of the signs of the utter bankruptcy of the so-called conservative pundit class. These wimps could not be more out of touch with actual conservative voters-- oh and they're huge pussies.
That Carlson keeps Matt Lewis around is one of the signs of the utter bankruptcy of the so-called conservative pundit class. These wimps could not be more out of touch with actual conservative voters-- oh and they're huge pussies.
Posted by: Alamo at January 26, 2016 01:58 PM (2XJxO)
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And I will also posit that although West Virginia may "technically" be in the South, they are in no shape or form, Southern. Just sayin.
Besides the cousin-luvin, obviously.
Besides the cousin-luvin, obviously.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 01:58 PM (rwI+c)
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>>So when a party puts religion as a top priority, it doesn't spell electoral success.
Climate Change.
Climate Change.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2016 01:58 PM (NOIQH)
161
Those dimwitted Christians even have a go-to passage in the Bible for
this sort of thing: "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither
can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not
forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by
their fruits ye shall know them." (Matthew 7:18-20)
To the GOPe -
Time to burn baby burn
this sort of thing: "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither
can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not
forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by
their fruits ye shall know them." (Matthew 7:18-20)
To the GOPe -
Time to burn baby burn
Posted by: Our Country Is Screwed at January 26, 2016 01:58 PM (jxbfJ)
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"I'll throw my lot in with the peasants. They're a lot smarter than the sneering elites give them credit for, and they don't sit around all day inhaling their own ass-waft."
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If they did they'd be a lot more like me.
"I'll throw my lot in with the peasants. They're a lot smarter than the sneering elites give them credit for, and they don't sit around all day inhaling their own ass-waft."
............................
If they did they'd be a lot more like me.
Posted by: Abuela Salpicar at January 26, 2016 01:59 PM (HgMAr)
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I figured ace would bring the beat-down on this article later, but Monty beat him to the punch. I just love how the article concludes with the "we'll just have to hold our noses and court 'em" assessment.
Posted by: Eisenhorn at January 26, 2016 01:59 PM (UlI/7)
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If evangelicals do leave the Republican party, which I think many will increasingly do, my guess is that the Republican Party will continue to decline and there will be even less distinction between Republicans and Democrats.
Libertarians are not going to flock to vote Republican. Fiscal cons aren't going to get any fiscally conservative legislation anyway (we've already seen that). From my point of view, the major thing propping up the Republican Party today is the support by the socons. But now we've seen that even with both houses of Congress, they won't even stop the selling baby parts. In fact, Republicans continue to fund it.
I'm out. Done. There is nothing for me there anymore. And don't talk to me about military. Or the Supreme Court. They've burned those bridges as well.
Libertarians are not going to flock to vote Republican. Fiscal cons aren't going to get any fiscally conservative legislation anyway (we've already seen that). From my point of view, the major thing propping up the Republican Party today is the support by the socons. But now we've seen that even with both houses of Congress, they won't even stop the selling baby parts. In fact, Republicans continue to fund it.
I'm out. Done. There is nothing for me there anymore. And don't talk to me about military. Or the Supreme Court. They've burned those bridges as well.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 01:59 PM (dFi94)
165
Neither party respects its base. Its just that the other party has been delivering something to its base - even if half loaves.
Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 01:59 PM (gmeXX)
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I'm so very tired of the elitists assuming that Christianity (of any denomination) and intellect are mutually exclusive.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2016 01:54 PM (NOIQH)
It makes more sense when you realize that the elitists define "anti-intellectual" as "doesn't agree with me."
Posted by: Lizzy at January 26, 2016 01:54 PM (NOIQH)
It makes more sense when you realize that the elitists define "anti-intellectual" as "doesn't agree with me."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at January 26, 2016 02:00 PM (4df7R)
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This is why the GOPe is busy trying to build itself a new "base," consisting of refugees and fence jumpers from third world shit holes. Because that group is far more receptive to the GOPe's "intellectual" arguments.
Dumb F*cks
Dumb F*cks
Posted by: Dark Helmet at January 26, 2016 02:01 PM (yvwr7)
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So they say I'm anti-intellectual and a science denier. Prove it or STFU! The problem is they can't. What sense do any of their arguments make? Please, I'm willing to listen as long as they provide me the same courtesy. Without that, I'm afraid we'll not have a civil discussion. Because, like anyone else, I don't like being lectured to by people who hold my values in contempt and think a reasoned argument consists of labeling someone a bigot.
Posted by: Hadoop at January 26, 2016 02:01 PM (2X7pN)
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see Trump waving a bible around. I ain't buyin' it.
Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at January 26, 2016 01:57 PM (xWW96)
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I think it's a good thing. The more he waves it around, perhaps more people will be inclined to read it.
Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at January 26, 2016 01:57 PM (xWW96)
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I think it's a good thing. The more he waves it around, perhaps more people will be inclined to read it.
Posted by: Soona at January 26, 2016 02:01 PM (Fmupd)
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165 Neither party respects its base. Its just that the other party has been delivering something to its base - even if half loaves.
Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 01:59 PM (gmeXX)
They have been delivering to their base alright. And as a dog returnith to it's vomit, so doth a fool return to his folly.
Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 01:59 PM (gmeXX)
They have been delivering to their base alright. And as a dog returnith to it's vomit, so doth a fool return to his folly.
Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at January 26, 2016 02:01 PM (xWW96)
171
Did I mention Matt Lewis suffers from cramps?
Posted by: Alamo at January 26, 2016 02:01 PM (2XJxO)
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"130
I think there's a misplaced cause and effect going on here. The GOP
didn't just decide to go left one day. It's reflecting the population.
People keep bringing up 1980. Yeah in 1980 the country was center right,
capitalist country. 36 years later after tens of millions of peasants
imported from the poorest parts of the world, we are now a center left,
quasi socialist country going further left every day.
Reagan running today would lose to Sanders. It sucks, but it's the reality we live in.
So while I hate the smugness of the GOPe, they're not entirely wrong.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 01:49 PM (0LHZx)"
Then what is the point of running Jeb? Or Rubio? Or whatever squish the GOPe is excited about? Since I am not connected, I will not be on the receiving end of any of the political largess they will be ladling out.
I might as well vote for Bernie, stop pulling and climb up into the wagon.
I think there's a misplaced cause and effect going on here. The GOP
didn't just decide to go left one day. It's reflecting the population.
People keep bringing up 1980. Yeah in 1980 the country was center right,
capitalist country. 36 years later after tens of millions of peasants
imported from the poorest parts of the world, we are now a center left,
quasi socialist country going further left every day.
Reagan running today would lose to Sanders. It sucks, but it's the reality we live in.
So while I hate the smugness of the GOPe, they're not entirely wrong.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 01:49 PM (0LHZx)"
Then what is the point of running Jeb? Or Rubio? Or whatever squish the GOPe is excited about? Since I am not connected, I will not be on the receiving end of any of the political largess they will be ladling out.
I might as well vote for Bernie, stop pulling and climb up into the wagon.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 26, 2016 02:01 PM (QHgTq)
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The thing is, the GOP has seen big electoral wins when their candidates have campaigned using actual conservative policies. It's when they get into office that they start shifting to the left rather than at least TRYING to adhere to their campaign promises. That isn't the will of the people who elected them.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at January 26, 2016 01:57 PM (4df7R)
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Post 2000, who has won running as a hard core conservative? I mean nationally or at the state level in a swing state. Winning an Idaho local election doesn't count.
I can't really think of any.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at January 26, 2016 01:57 PM (4df7R)
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Post 2000, who has won running as a hard core conservative? I mean nationally or at the state level in a swing state. Winning an Idaho local election doesn't count.
I can't really think of any.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 02:02 PM (0LHZx)
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I'm out. Done. There is nothing for me there anymore. And don't talk to me about military. Or the Supreme Court. They've burned those bridges as well.
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I'm not out. I'm dissappointed like you, but I do think there are some differences between the parties. Do I believe either party wants to shrik the size of government - No. But I do believe that the GOP does have some who do believe and actually want this. Obviously not enough.
Part of my reason for holding on is that I want my generation to be given a chance. The boomers are still in charge.
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I'm not out. I'm dissappointed like you, but I do think there are some differences between the parties. Do I believe either party wants to shrik the size of government - No. But I do believe that the GOP does have some who do believe and actually want this. Obviously not enough.
Part of my reason for holding on is that I want my generation to be given a chance. The boomers are still in charge.
Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 02:02 PM (gmeXX)
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You're assuming the Acela GOP wants conservatives as part of their base, much less their primary base.
They don't.
They don't.
Posted by: steveegg at January 26, 2016 02:02 PM (cL79m)
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Who wins the battle between the Free-Shit-Army vs. the Fed-Up-With-Shit-Army?
Posted by: Roy at January 26, 2016 02:02 PM (VndSC)
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Surrender your women and intellectuals.
Posted by: ThePotatoeOne at January 26, 2016 02:03 PM (DL2i+)
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I might as well vote for Bernie, stop pulling and climb up into the wagon.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 26, 2016 02:01 PM (QHgTq)
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I'm coming around to this way of thinking as well. I'm going to be taxed up the ass no matter what. At least Bernie will give me some freebies for my effort.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at January 26, 2016 02:01 PM (QHgTq)
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I'm coming around to this way of thinking as well. I'm going to be taxed up the ass no matter what. At least Bernie will give me some freebies for my effort.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 02:03 PM (0LHZx)
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Post 2000, who has won running as a hard core conservative? I mean nationally or at the state level in a swing state. Winning an Idaho local election doesn't count.
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Obama ran on cutting taxes and against an individual mandate.
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Obama ran on cutting taxes and against an individual mandate.
Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 02:03 PM (gmeXX)
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Religion in America has been on the decline for a long time.
No, religion is as strong as ever, its just a different religion that is ascendant. I don't have a problem with the idea that perhaps some conservatives and even Christians are not terribly intellectual. Of the overall population almost nobody is intellectual, why would these subsections be any different? Of course, it depends on the subgroup of them. Reformation-based denominations and Jesuit-type Roman Catholics for example are very intellectual and more than ready for high octane argument.
But we don't live in a culture or political climate where intellectualism or arguments from reason matter or even help. We're in the Idiocracy now; to quote the film's narrator:
...the English language had deteriorated into a hybrid of hillbilly, valley-girl, innercity slang, and various grunts. Joe was able to understand them, but when he spoke in his ordinary voice, he sounded pompous and "faggy" to them.
No, religion is as strong as ever, its just a different religion that is ascendant. I don't have a problem with the idea that perhaps some conservatives and even Christians are not terribly intellectual. Of the overall population almost nobody is intellectual, why would these subsections be any different? Of course, it depends on the subgroup of them. Reformation-based denominations and Jesuit-type Roman Catholics for example are very intellectual and more than ready for high octane argument.
But we don't live in a culture or political climate where intellectualism or arguments from reason matter or even help. We're in the Idiocracy now; to quote the film's narrator:
...the English language had deteriorated into a hybrid of hillbilly, valley-girl, innercity slang, and various grunts. Joe was able to understand them, but when he spoke in his ordinary voice, he sounded pompous and "faggy" to them.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 02:04 PM (39g3+)
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Obnoxious A-Hole at January 26, 2016 02:01 PM
Your idea has some merit. The sooner we in the traces say screw this and get in wagon, the sooner this charade grinds to a halt. Just make sure you have sufficient ammo stashed before the crash comes......
Your idea has some merit. The sooner we in the traces say screw this and get in wagon, the sooner this charade grinds to a halt. Just make sure you have sufficient ammo stashed before the crash comes......
Posted by: Alamo at January 26, 2016 02:04 PM (2XJxO)
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"OT: that poor girl in Sweden who was attacked by one of those delightful fun-loving scamps from the Middle East has died."
As has the 15-year-old boy who saw off one of the Syrian "newcomers" who had been making unwanted and forcible advances to a female school classmate.
The Syrian rapefugee felt that his "honor" demanded a response, so he came to school the next day with a knife and stabbed the chivalrous boy through the heart with it. From behind, without warning.
Because nothing speaks to the upholding of honor more powerfully than a sneak attack with a blade upon an unarmed opponent, I guess. Not being part of the Religion Of Peace myself, certain of its cultural mysteries are opaque to me.
As has the 15-year-old boy who saw off one of the Syrian "newcomers" who had been making unwanted and forcible advances to a female school classmate.
The Syrian rapefugee felt that his "honor" demanded a response, so he came to school the next day with a knife and stabbed the chivalrous boy through the heart with it. From behind, without warning.
Because nothing speaks to the upholding of honor more powerfully than a sneak attack with a blade upon an unarmed opponent, I guess. Not being part of the Religion Of Peace myself, certain of its cultural mysteries are opaque to me.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 26, 2016 02:04 PM (noWW6)
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Ace, great post. I started to read the linked article earlier this morning and couldn't even finish it, it was that rancid.
Posted by: Dr Spank at January 26, 2016 02:05 PM (Yti03)
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Matt Lewis is a youngish (what is he 40? 45?) right-leaning blogger who came to prominence (if you can call it that) in the Obama era. You can't possibly hold him responsible for things that happened in the '90s or early '00s when he probably wasn't even writing. And, he's a middling right-wing blogger and columnist today. It's pretty ridiculous to hang the weight of all "establishment" sins around his neck. If that's your standard for "establishment," then Ace is in a backroom with Mitch McConnell somewhere right now planning the new office space for Ex-Im.
But that doesn't stop you. You take a quote from a review of this middling blogger's book (wherein he was providing constructive criticism to conservatives), mis-characterize his claims as "[c]alling [the] base a bunch of stupid hicks," and then blame Lewis, as a member of the "GOP brain-trust," for the supposed "utter catastrophe" in "cultural, economic, foreign [], [and] tax policy" since Reagan left office almost 30 years ago.
You're unintentionally proving Lewis' point that certain segments of the GOP have lost their ability to argue persuasively outside the bubble.
But that doesn't stop you. You take a quote from a review of this middling blogger's book (wherein he was providing constructive criticism to conservatives), mis-characterize his claims as "[c]alling [the] base a bunch of stupid hicks," and then blame Lewis, as a member of the "GOP brain-trust," for the supposed "utter catastrophe" in "cultural, economic, foreign [], [and] tax policy" since Reagan left office almost 30 years ago.
You're unintentionally proving Lewis' point that certain segments of the GOP have lost their ability to argue persuasively outside the bubble.
Posted by: gts109 at January 26, 2016 02:05 PM (KIvt1)
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I'm out. Done. There is nothing for me there anymore. And don't talk to me about military. Or the Supreme Court. They've burned those bridges as well.
Yeah, the GOP has lost everyone but the hard core chamber of commerce types and the few fools (I say that in the most affectionate sense) who still believe we have a chance to turn this thing around if only we can elect the right guys.
Yeah, the GOP has lost everyone but the hard core chamber of commerce types and the few fools (I say that in the most affectionate sense) who still believe we have a chance to turn this thing around if only we can elect the right guys.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 02:05 PM (39g3+)
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Part of my reason for holding on is that I want my generation to be given a chance. The boomers are still in charge.
Inter-generational cage match.
Inter-generational cage match.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 26, 2016 02:06 PM (FkBIv)
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170 165 Neither party respects its base.
Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 01:59 PM (gmeXX)
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Huh?
Democrats have given their base everything they asked for...Obamacare, gay marriage, higher taxes, record levels of welfare, unlimited immigration, $15 minimum wage, gun control in places like NY, all sorts of "green" bullshit, and the list goes on and on.
Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 01:59 PM (gmeXX)
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Huh?
Democrats have given their base everything they asked for...Obamacare, gay marriage, higher taxes, record levels of welfare, unlimited immigration, $15 minimum wage, gun control in places like NY, all sorts of "green" bullshit, and the list goes on and on.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 02:06 PM (0LHZx)
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Who wins the battle between the Free-Shit-Army vs. the Fed-Up-With-Shit-Army?
Not the fed-up guys.
Not the fed-up guys.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 02:06 PM (39g3+)
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Congress has a ubiquitous contempt for the people. This isn't new. They have a history of saying one thing then doing what they want.
We talk a lot about tribal behavior. Well, Congress has its own tribe and in the end they endeavor to serve the tribe. Not us. They only have to face us every few years. They eat steaks and share goblets of wine with their tribe members every day.
I don't believe the GOP really gives a fig what Democrats do. They care about preserving the tribe, and that includes allowing Democrats to run nakedly across the Constitution. Provided there is a quid pro quo and Republicans get their pound of flesh, that's all they care about. Oh yeah, and a good OPUS Cabernet.
Witness, have you ever heard more foolish and outlandish excuses about why they can't get things don?
Sorry, did someone change the Congress that's been around since 1789? No, well then get your asses back to work and STFU.
Yet, they still can't figure out the appeal of someone like Trump who just doesn't give a shit about the tribe. He laughs at their customs, subservience to each other and their effeminate manners.
F-them. F the self serving GOP and their whore mothers. If they want to trade punches they better put on their big boy depends.
We talk a lot about tribal behavior. Well, Congress has its own tribe and in the end they endeavor to serve the tribe. Not us. They only have to face us every few years. They eat steaks and share goblets of wine with their tribe members every day.
I don't believe the GOP really gives a fig what Democrats do. They care about preserving the tribe, and that includes allowing Democrats to run nakedly across the Constitution. Provided there is a quid pro quo and Republicans get their pound of flesh, that's all they care about. Oh yeah, and a good OPUS Cabernet.
Witness, have you ever heard more foolish and outlandish excuses about why they can't get things don?
Sorry, did someone change the Congress that's been around since 1789? No, well then get your asses back to work and STFU.
Yet, they still can't figure out the appeal of someone like Trump who just doesn't give a shit about the tribe. He laughs at their customs, subservience to each other and their effeminate manners.
F-them. F the self serving GOP and their whore mothers. If they want to trade punches they better put on their big boy depends.
Posted by: Marcus T at January 26, 2016 02:06 PM (GGCsk)
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87 So, the socon rebellion continues. Le Sigh.
The winning coalition for the 21st century is socially tolerant, fiscally conservative, and strong on defense.
What's happening here is that the socially conservative wing is discovering what the rest of America already knows: it's influence is declining. And they're throwing a tantrum about it.
Whatev
Posted by: DriveBy at January 26, 2016 01:15 PM (C9Vc
News Flash: The "social issues" have definite fiscal impacts. Illegal immigration, and excessive legal immigration for that matter, are stark examples.
But hey, like you say, "whatev". Go live in your tony enclave and ignore what is happening to the rest of Middle America. Enjoy those cheaper gardeners and maids, until they start robbing you.
The winning coalition for the 21st century is socially tolerant, fiscally conservative, and strong on defense.
What's happening here is that the socially conservative wing is discovering what the rest of America already knows: it's influence is declining. And they're throwing a tantrum about it.
Whatev
Posted by: DriveBy at January 26, 2016 01:15 PM (C9Vc
News Flash: The "social issues" have definite fiscal impacts. Illegal immigration, and excessive legal immigration for that matter, are stark examples.
But hey, like you say, "whatev". Go live in your tony enclave and ignore what is happening to the rest of Middle America. Enjoy those cheaper gardeners and maids, until they start robbing you.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 26, 2016 02:07 PM (GsebS)
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176 Who wins the battle between the Free-Shit-Army vs. the Fed-Up-With-Shit-Army?
Posted by: Roy at January 26, 2016 02:02 PM (VndSC)
The armed army, who know how to shoot. Why do you think the Left is all about grabbing guns? They want to take the advantage away from the productive class.
Posted by: Roy at January 26, 2016 02:02 PM (VndSC)
The armed army, who know how to shoot. Why do you think the Left is all about grabbing guns? They want to take the advantage away from the productive class.
Posted by: Moki at January 26, 2016 02:07 PM (7q2ch)
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"Socially tolerant" today is nothing more than welfare spending, amnesty for illegal immigrants and whatever jag that lately pleases the deviants who will never be happy unless they're making someone else miserable.
And your "socially tolerant" policy (that inevitably requires more and more spending to the point of being just liberal spending) also finds itself agreeing with the liberals that a few more cuts to military spending--to support that socially tolerant policy, naturally--is not such a bad thing.
And so, your mythical world-dominating block of "socially tolerant, fiscally conservative and strong on defense" ends the day at "socially tolerant (liberal), fiscally liberal and weak on defense."
All traces of conservative policy expediently sacrificed on the alter of "social tolerance."
That, you see, is the exact place where the Democrats are today--no room whatsoever for any moderate, let alone conservative, policy.
And your "socially tolerant" policy (that inevitably requires more and more spending to the point of being just liberal spending) also finds itself agreeing with the liberals that a few more cuts to military spending--to support that socially tolerant policy, naturally--is not such a bad thing.
And so, your mythical world-dominating block of "socially tolerant, fiscally conservative and strong on defense" ends the day at "socially tolerant (liberal), fiscally liberal and weak on defense."
All traces of conservative policy expediently sacrificed on the alter of "social tolerance."
That, you see, is the exact place where the Democrats are today--no room whatsoever for any moderate, let alone conservative, policy.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 26, 2016 02:07 PM (fQ/0p)
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Not being part of the Religion Of Peace myself, certain of its cultural mysteries are opaque to me.
Obama is giving all of us unintellectuals a chance to learn about those mysteries firsthand.
Obama is giving all of us unintellectuals a chance to learn about those mysteries firsthand.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 26, 2016 02:07 PM (8ZskC)
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Post 2000, who has won running as a hard core
conservative? I mean nationally or at the state level in a swing state.
Winning an Idaho local election doesn't count.
I can't really think of any.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 02:02 PM (0LHZx)
1) Winning a local election absolutely does count. It may not have the same national heft, but its even more indicative of the mood of the grassroots electorate than is a Presidential win.
2) Define "hard core." I'll just say that if you're looking for politicians who have bucked the traditional Republican orthodoxy and "go along to get along" attitudes and gotten elected, I'd point to Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, and Paul LePage.
conservative? I mean nationally or at the state level in a swing state.
Winning an Idaho local election doesn't count.
I can't really think of any.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 02:02 PM (0LHZx)
1) Winning a local election absolutely does count. It may not have the same national heft, but its even more indicative of the mood of the grassroots electorate than is a Presidential win.
2) Define "hard core." I'll just say that if you're looking for politicians who have bucked the traditional Republican orthodoxy and "go along to get along" attitudes and gotten elected, I'd point to Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, and Paul LePage.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at January 26, 2016 02:07 PM (4df7R)
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Clinton, O'Malley, and Sanders walk into a bar. The bartender looks up, empties the cash drawer, locks the front door, and then walks out the back door. O'Malley and Sanders look at each other, then each grabs a bottle off the shelf and leaves. Hillary, bewildered, stands slack-jawed because there's no one left to lie to.
No joke.
No joke.
Posted by: mrp at January 26, 2016 02:07 PM (JBggj)
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Huh?
Democrats have given their base everything they asked for...Obamacare, gay marriage, higher taxes, record levels of welfare, unlimited immigration, $15 minimum wage, gun control in places like NY, all sorts of "green" bullshit, and the list goes on and on.
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Yeah, but do you think the party leaders really respect their base? I don't. As I said, they have just delivered better. I guess that is a form of respect. But I'd say it is more a form of bribery. The aristrocracy never respect the common folks.
Democrats have given their base everything they asked for...Obamacare, gay marriage, higher taxes, record levels of welfare, unlimited immigration, $15 minimum wage, gun control in places like NY, all sorts of "green" bullshit, and the list goes on and on.
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Yeah, but do you think the party leaders really respect their base? I don't. As I said, they have just delivered better. I guess that is a form of respect. But I'd say it is more a form of bribery. The aristrocracy never respect the common folks.
Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 02:07 PM (gmeXX)
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The problem isn't intellectuals. The problem is fake intellectuals. There's a difference.
Posted by: rfichoke at January 26, 2016 02:08 PM (xZEwe)
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Watching FNC cover Iowa. I think this is going to be the breaking point for the majority of the lesser candidates. The smell of desperation is becoming rather pungent.
Posted by: Soona at January 26, 2016 02:08 PM (Fmupd)
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The armed army, who know how to shoot. Why do you think the Left is all about grabbing guns? They want to take the advantage away from the productive class.
Posted by: Moki at January 26, 2016 02:07 PM (7q2ch)
Egg-zackly
Posted by: Moki at January 26, 2016 02:07 PM (7q2ch)
Egg-zackly
Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at January 26, 2016 02:08 PM (xWW96)
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If the GOP brain-trust was arguing from a baseline of stellar success and policy wins, it'd be different. But the post-Reagan era has been an utter catastrophe in terms of actual conservative policy, and on all fronts: cultural, economic, foreign-policy, tax policy, you name it. The arrogance of these pissants is pretty rich, given their two-decade run of fecklessness and failure.
I forget who I read the other day that used the term "Bushism" has taken the place of Conservatism within the GOP, but
that seems just about right.
"Bushism" is basically the la-di-da, rich man's burden, "I want to buy the world a Coke" cronyist, midrange leftism of the NE libtard,
spiked with aggressive use of force in nation building.
Which the GOPe wants to define as "Conservatism".
Nope. Not even close.
This is why they fear Cruz so much.
They know that he has his own organization ready to supplant the Bush/McCain/Romney/Rove cabal that currently run the show.
But, as the President and de facto head of the Republican Party, he can remake the GOP in his image.
And it's why the GOPe has kind of made their peace with Trump-
he has no such political organization backing him, so they believe he will come to them to run that end of things for him.
And thus there will be no change within the GOPe structure itself.
And, perhaps, Trump has come to terms with them,
today Rush had a quote from Trump's most recent interview where,
Trump said that he could make deals with Pelosi and Reed and the Democrats, but Cruz sucks because these guys wouldn't make deals with Cruz cuz he's a meanie.
Choose wisely folks...the game may be changing right before your eyes.
YMMV.
I forget who I read the other day that used the term "Bushism" has taken the place of Conservatism within the GOP, but
that seems just about right.
"Bushism" is basically the la-di-da, rich man's burden, "I want to buy the world a Coke" cronyist, midrange leftism of the NE libtard,
spiked with aggressive use of force in nation building.
Which the GOPe wants to define as "Conservatism".
Nope. Not even close.
This is why they fear Cruz so much.
They know that he has his own organization ready to supplant the Bush/McCain/Romney/Rove cabal that currently run the show.
But, as the President and de facto head of the Republican Party, he can remake the GOP in his image.
And it's why the GOPe has kind of made their peace with Trump-
he has no such political organization backing him, so they believe he will come to them to run that end of things for him.
And thus there will be no change within the GOPe structure itself.
And, perhaps, Trump has come to terms with them,
today Rush had a quote from Trump's most recent interview where,
Trump said that he could make deals with Pelosi and Reed and the Democrats, but Cruz sucks because these guys wouldn't make deals with Cruz cuz he's a meanie.
Choose wisely folks...the game may be changing right before your eyes.
YMMV.
Posted by: naturalfake at January 26, 2016 02:08 PM (0cMkb)
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Those dimwitted Christians even have a go-to passage in the Bible for this sort of thing: "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." (Matthew 7:18-20)
To the GOPe -
Time to burn baby burn
Ecclesiastes 3:1
Burn. War. Break down. Cast away. Rend.
It's time.
To the GOPe -
Time to burn baby burn
Ecclesiastes 3:1
Burn. War. Break down. Cast away. Rend.
It's time.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 02:08 PM (Yzubb)
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The argument of "you're losing so you should shut up" assumes that winning is the only goal. If victory is all that mattered, then there ought not be any sort of principles or position at all: out-promise the Democrats, give more free stuff away, shame them for not going for the 20 dollar an hour minimum wage, on and on.
If victory is the only goal.
If victory is the only goal.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 02:09 PM (39g3+)
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Posted by: RoyalOil at January 26, 2016 12:44 PM
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Royal Oil, I'm stealing that. Excellent!
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Royal Oil, I'm stealing that. Excellent!
Posted by: Diogenes at January 26, 2016 02:09 PM (r65B3)
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Out of nowhere Monty goes all Medieval on TheRickWilson's ....er....Matt Lewis's ass.
Doom. It ain't just for breakfast anymore.
Woot Woot!!
Out of nowhere Monty goes all Medieval on TheRickWilson's ....er....Matt Lewis's ass.
Doom. It ain't just for breakfast anymore.
Woot Woot!!
Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at January 26, 2016 02:09 PM (Qj6zv)
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because I was blond and had big boobs,
Posted by: Moki at January 26, 2016 01:57 PM (7q2ch)
==========Oh?
Posted by: Moki at January 26, 2016 01:57 PM (7q2ch)
==========Oh?
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 26, 2016 02:09 PM (fQ/0p)
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117 The Republican party has been searching for the meaning of life ever since the Soviet Union collapsed.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 26, 2016 01:45 PM (FkBIv)
And yet, there is a very strong 5th column of Soviets at home, as Bernie Sanders and what passes for academia prove.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 26, 2016 01:45 PM (FkBIv)
And yet, there is a very strong 5th column of Soviets at home, as Bernie Sanders and what passes for academia prove.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 26, 2016 02:10 PM (GsebS)
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This is how they get away with calling David Brooks a conservative. He is more aligned with the GOPe "intellectuals" than the base. But in fact, they are all deaf, blind, and imbecilic.
Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at January 26, 2016 02:10 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: McGehee at January 26, 2016 02:10 PM (ax/6m)
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But hey, like you say, "whatev". Go live in your tony enclave and ignore what is happening to the rest of Middle America. Enjoy those cheaper gardeners and maids, until they start robbing you.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 26, 2016 02:07 PM (GsebS)
Or they decide that they will live in the hacienda and you and yours will be dead. Cuba anyone? Then and now, it's a stark lesson to anyone who cares to study it.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 26, 2016 02:07 PM (GsebS)
Or they decide that they will live in the hacienda and you and yours will be dead. Cuba anyone? Then and now, it's a stark lesson to anyone who cares to study it.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at January 26, 2016 02:10 PM (kXoT0)
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Religion in America has been on the decline for a long time. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing, it's once again reality. So when a party puts religion as a top priority, it doesn't spell electoral success.
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without additional comment, here's Hayek:
It is for this reason that to the liberal neither moral nor religious ideals are proper objects of coercion, while both conservatives and socialists recognize no such limits. I sometimes feel that the most conspicuous attribute of liberalism that distinguishes it as much from conservatism as from socialism is the view that moral beliefs concerning matters of conduct which do not directly interfere with the protected sphere of other persons do not justify coercion....
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without additional comment, here's Hayek:
It is for this reason that to the liberal neither moral nor religious ideals are proper objects of coercion, while both conservatives and socialists recognize no such limits. I sometimes feel that the most conspicuous attribute of liberalism that distinguishes it as much from conservatism as from socialism is the view that moral beliefs concerning matters of conduct which do not directly interfere with the protected sphere of other persons do not justify coercion....
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at January 26, 2016 02:11 PM (Cq0oW)
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Post 2000, who has won running as a hard core
conservative?
Ted Cruz, Matt Bevin to name two. Or is there some extra definition here that you want to add so those don't count?
conservative?
Ted Cruz, Matt Bevin to name two. Or is there some extra definition here that you want to add so those don't count?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 02:11 PM (39g3+)
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Iowa is a screwed up place to start...not even a primary.
I mean to be honest the Huckster has as much chance to win next week as trump or Cruz...there is no telling what can happen in these "Caucuses". They are FUBAR
I mean to be honest the Huckster has as much chance to win next week as trump or Cruz...there is no telling what can happen in these "Caucuses". They are FUBAR
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 02:11 PM (kzdjp)
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gts109 at January 26, 2016 02:05 PM (KIvt1)
Bullshit. Matt Lewis is a consistent condescending amnesty shill who is contemptuous of conservative voters. The most breathtaking aspect of little Matt's act is that he actually believes he offers an intelligent analysis of conservatism. He is routinely shredded on the DC by commenters and he is too dim-witted and cowardly to even answer their very pointed questions.
Matt Lewis is an illustration of the Republican Party's problem and certainly incapable of offering a solution. He's just not very bright.
Bullshit. Matt Lewis is a consistent condescending amnesty shill who is contemptuous of conservative voters. The most breathtaking aspect of little Matt's act is that he actually believes he offers an intelligent analysis of conservatism. He is routinely shredded on the DC by commenters and he is too dim-witted and cowardly to even answer their very pointed questions.
Matt Lewis is an illustration of the Republican Party's problem and certainly incapable of offering a solution. He's just not very bright.
Posted by: Alamo at January 26, 2016 02:12 PM (2XJxO)
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1) Winning a local election absolutely does count. It may not have the same national heft, but its even more indicative of the mood of the grassroots electorate than is a Presidential win.
2) Define "hard core." I'll just say that if you're looking for politicians who have bucked the traditional Republican orthodoxy and "go along to get along" attitudes and gotten elected, I'd point to Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, and Paul LePage.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at January 26, 2016 02:07 PM (4df7R)
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My definition would be someone who is for lower taxes, reduced spending, building the dang wall, telling the EPA to fuck off.
And the reason I say local elections don't matter is because that doesn't show any trend. In place like rural Idaho, yeah those people get elected even as Bernie finishes out his second term. It doesn't mean much to show the direction of the country.
LePage...OK that's a good example. Ted Cruz...he's from Texas, that's supposed to happen, it would be like liberals getting excited that a hard core liberal is elected in CA. It's kind of meh.
2) Define "hard core." I'll just say that if you're looking for politicians who have bucked the traditional Republican orthodoxy and "go along to get along" attitudes and gotten elected, I'd point to Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, and Paul LePage.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at January 26, 2016 02:07 PM (4df7R)
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My definition would be someone who is for lower taxes, reduced spending, building the dang wall, telling the EPA to fuck off.
And the reason I say local elections don't matter is because that doesn't show any trend. In place like rural Idaho, yeah those people get elected even as Bernie finishes out his second term. It doesn't mean much to show the direction of the country.
LePage...OK that's a good example. Ted Cruz...he's from Texas, that's supposed to happen, it would be like liberals getting excited that a hard core liberal is elected in CA. It's kind of meh.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 02:12 PM (0LHZx)
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"Democrats have given their base everything they asked for...Obamacare, gay marriage, higher taxes, record levels of welfare, unlimited immigration, $15 minimum wage, gun control in places like NY, all sorts of "green" bullshit, and the list goes on and on."
Much of this list is simply untrue.
Taxes are still low. W. shrunk the tax base considerably after Reagan, and only top marginal rates went up slightly in the past few years. In short, Reagan's tax reforms remain, and have been deepened. Democrats aren't happy with that.
"Record levels of welfare"--is this true? I know food stamps usage is up under Obama, but my guess is that pre-'90s welfare reform rolls were much fatter than they are now.
The Democrats have lost on gun control. They're fighting over the margins, and they have zero hope of passing anything through Congress. And, Heller.
Unlimited immigration??? Net immigration from Mexico is zero right now, and there's not unlimited immigration. I'm not saying there's no problem or that I support amnesty, but your formulation of the problem is deeply misleading.
Much of this list is simply untrue.
Taxes are still low. W. shrunk the tax base considerably after Reagan, and only top marginal rates went up slightly in the past few years. In short, Reagan's tax reforms remain, and have been deepened. Democrats aren't happy with that.
"Record levels of welfare"--is this true? I know food stamps usage is up under Obama, but my guess is that pre-'90s welfare reform rolls were much fatter than they are now.
The Democrats have lost on gun control. They're fighting over the margins, and they have zero hope of passing anything through Congress. And, Heller.
Unlimited immigration??? Net immigration from Mexico is zero right now, and there's not unlimited immigration. I'm not saying there's no problem or that I support amnesty, but your formulation of the problem is deeply misleading.
Posted by: gts109 at January 26, 2016 02:12 PM (KIvt1)
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It is for this reason that to the liberal neither moral nor religious ideals are proper objects of coercion
This is, of course, false. All laws are based on a presumption of shared moral behavior and limits on the free expression of liberty. People just choose which sorts of morality they will fight for and try to impose, not whether they will or not.
This is, of course, false. All laws are based on a presumption of shared moral behavior and limits on the free expression of liberty. People just choose which sorts of morality they will fight for and try to impose, not whether they will or not.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 02:13 PM (39g3+)
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>>I can't really think of any.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 02:02 PM (0LHZx)<<
There are what now- 31 Republican controlled state legislatures and 8 that are split.
How do you think they got there?
Latest one Matt Bevin in Kentucky. What he run as- a liberal?
Now go get your shine box.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 02:02 PM (0LHZx)<<
There are what now- 31 Republican controlled state legislatures and 8 that are split.
How do you think they got there?
Latest one Matt Bevin in Kentucky. What he run as- a liberal?
Now go get your shine box.
Posted by: Marcus T at January 26, 2016 02:13 PM (GGCsk)
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 02:13 PM (zOTsN)
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Matt Lewis is a youngish (what is he 40? 45?) right-leaning blogger who
came to prominence (if you can call it that) in the Obama era. You can't
possibly hold him responsible for things that happened in the '90s or
early '00s when he probably wasn't even writing. And, he's a middling
right-wing blogger and columnist today. It's pretty ridiculous to hang
the weight of all "establishment" sins around his neck.
Don't be foolish. Matt Lewis has written a book in which he claims to be explaining the history of the GOP's devolution into the "stupid party." Of course I don't blame him for what happened twenty years ago, but that he can look at the political history of the last two to three decades and NOT figure out "Hey, you know how the GOP has been promising all these things for decades? And hasn't followed through on them? That's the problem," well, how am I the one with a blinkered view of modern politics?
came to prominence (if you can call it that) in the Obama era. You can't
possibly hold him responsible for things that happened in the '90s or
early '00s when he probably wasn't even writing. And, he's a middling
right-wing blogger and columnist today. It's pretty ridiculous to hang
the weight of all "establishment" sins around his neck.
Don't be foolish. Matt Lewis has written a book in which he claims to be explaining the history of the GOP's devolution into the "stupid party." Of course I don't blame him for what happened twenty years ago, but that he can look at the political history of the last two to three decades and NOT figure out "Hey, you know how the GOP has been promising all these things for decades? And hasn't followed through on them? That's the problem," well, how am I the one with a blinkered view of modern politics?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at January 26, 2016 02:14 PM (4df7R)
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Net immigration from Mexico is zero right now, and there's not unlimited immigration
Ha? Where did that come from?
Ha? Where did that come from?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 02:14 PM (kzdjp)
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LePage...OK that's a good example. Ted Cruz...he's from Texas, that's supposed to happen, it would be like liberals getting excited that a hard core liberal is elected in CA.
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Still Cruz ran an insurgency campaign in the primary.
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Still Cruz ran an insurgency campaign in the primary.
Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 02:14 PM (gmeXX)
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Democrats have given their base everything they asked for...Obamacare, gay marriage, higher taxes, record levels of welfare, unlimited immigration, $15 minimum wage, gun control in places like NY, all sorts of "green" bullshit, and the list goes on and on.
Just because they've bought them off that doesn't mean they respect them. Fear them on occasion maybe, but respect? Pfft. Besides, it's not like they're paying for all the goodies...
Just because they've bought them off that doesn't mean they respect them. Fear them on occasion maybe, but respect? Pfft. Besides, it's not like they're paying for all the goodies...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 26, 2016 02:14 PM (9krrF)
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Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 02:09 PM (39g3+)
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Just as an aside, I had lunch around Thanksgiving with a Calvin College grad who I knew when he was a young boy. He was always quite bright and doing math-nerdy things that no one could understand. I asked him what he was doing now, and he said "Nuclear molecular something something orbital something". Mathy-nerd stuff I still couldn't understand. His parents, who were also at the luncheon, said they couldn't understand either.
Devout Christian Conservative. But stupid.
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Just as an aside, I had lunch around Thanksgiving with a Calvin College grad who I knew when he was a young boy. He was always quite bright and doing math-nerdy things that no one could understand. I asked him what he was doing now, and he said "Nuclear molecular something something orbital something". Mathy-nerd stuff I still couldn't understand. His parents, who were also at the luncheon, said they couldn't understand either.
Devout Christian Conservative. But stupid.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 02:14 PM (dFi94)
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who still believe we have a chance to turn this thing around if only we can elect the right guys
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Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at January 26, 2016 02:15 PM (Cq0oW)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 26, 2016 02:15 PM (4ErVI)
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Egg-zackly
Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at January 26, 2016 02:08 PM (xWW96)
You rang? As for the armament question, not only do you need the guns and the ammo, but the magazines, assuming you're not using either revolvers or non-detachable magazines. After all, 10-30 in the mag is worth 300 in the ammo box.
Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at January 26, 2016 02:08 PM (xWW96)
You rang? As for the armament question, not only do you need the guns and the ammo, but the magazines, assuming you're not using either revolvers or non-detachable magazines. After all, 10-30 in the mag is worth 300 in the ammo box.
Posted by: steveegg at January 26, 2016 02:15 PM (cL79m)
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Exactly. Besides, nothing makes me want to vote for someone more than them telling me I'm stupid and can't understand their loftiness.
People who are obsessed with telling everyone how smart they are generally aren't all that smart. Or they would know better.
People who are obsessed with telling everyone how smart they are generally aren't all that smart. Or they would know better.
Posted by: Lea at January 26, 2016 02:15 PM (lIU4e)
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218 Abe Vigoda died
RIP
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 02:13 PM (zOTsN)
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Really? Or does he just look like he's dead?
RIP
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 02:13 PM (zOTsN)
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Really? Or does he just look like he's dead?
Posted by: Soona at January 26, 2016 02:15 PM (Fmupd)
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130 I think there's a misplaced cause and effect going on here. The GOP didn't just decide to go left one day. It's reflecting the population. People keep bringing up 1980. Yeah in 1980 the country was center right, capitalist country. 36 years later after tens of millions of peasants imported from the poorest parts of the world, we are now a center left, quasi socialist country going further left every day.
Reagan running today would lose to Sanders. It sucks, but it's the reality we live in.
So while I hate the smugness of the GOPe, they're not entirely wrong.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 01:49 PM (0LHZx)
Three Words: Self fulfilling prophecy.
They import an underclass that goes Left, and tell us we can't stop that because the underclass is too large, while making it larger!
Reagan running today would lose to Sanders. It sucks, but it's the reality we live in.
So while I hate the smugness of the GOPe, they're not entirely wrong.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 01:49 PM (0LHZx)
Three Words: Self fulfilling prophecy.
They import an underclass that goes Left, and tell us we can't stop that because the underclass is too large, while making it larger!
Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 26, 2016 02:15 PM (GsebS)
Posted by: Slapweasel (Cold1) (T) at January 26, 2016 02:15 PM (OQ9R7)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 26, 2016 02:15 PM (9krrF)
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Farewell, Fish.
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 26, 2016 02:16 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 02:16 PM (zOTsN)
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who still believe we have a chance to turn this thing around if only we can elect the right guys
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I believe electing the right guys will help turn this thing around.
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I believe electing the right guys will help turn this thing around.
Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 02:16 PM (gmeXX)
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Taxes are still low.
W's tax cuts are gone and taxes went up in 2014 by a significant, if largely unreported, margin through Obamacare.
"Record levels of welfare"--is this true?
Yes, by a large margin. It has to do with the real unemployment rate and what jobs are being created for whom.
W's tax cuts are gone and taxes went up in 2014 by a significant, if largely unreported, margin through Obamacare.
"Record levels of welfare"--is this true?
Yes, by a large margin. It has to do with the real unemployment rate and what jobs are being created for whom.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 02:16 PM (39g3+)
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2) Define "hard core." I'll just say that if you're
looking for politicians who have bucked the traditional Republican
orthodoxy and "go along to get along" attitudes and gotten elected, I'd
point to Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, and Paul LePage.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Vaginassassin, aka Beth at January 26, 2016 02:07 PM (4df7R)
Dave Brat and at least one other Rep from that freshman class.
looking for politicians who have bucked the traditional Republican
orthodoxy and "go along to get along" attitudes and gotten elected, I'd
point to Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, and Paul LePage.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Vaginassassin, aka Beth at January 26, 2016 02:07 PM (4df7R)
Dave Brat and at least one other Rep from that freshman class.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 02:16 PM (OrI3J)
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Unlimited immigration??? Net immigration from Mexico is zero right now,
Somebody is awfully gullible. Come to Texas sport and I'll show you "net zero".
Somebody is awfully gullible. Come to Texas sport and I'll show you "net zero".
Posted by: Alamo at January 26, 2016 02:17 PM (2XJxO)
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Farewell, Fish.
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 26, 2016 02:16 PM (2cS/G)
it's a Sicilian message
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 26, 2016 02:16 PM (2cS/G)
it's a Sicilian message
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 02:17 PM (kzdjp)
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Still Cruz ran an insurgency campaign in the primary.
Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 02:14 PM (gmeXX)
He did. The GOP did not want him. They wanted anybody but him, but, they really wanted Dewhurst to win.
Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 02:14 PM (gmeXX)
He did. The GOP did not want him. They wanted anybody but him, but, they really wanted Dewhurst to win.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at January 26, 2016 02:17 PM (kXoT0)
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Dear Trumpfans:
Come back to reality, please.
Dear GOPers,
You first.
--Team LiB, beyond the Godzilla threshold
Come back to reality, please.
Dear GOPers,
You first.
--Team LiB, beyond the Godzilla threshold
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 26, 2016 02:17 PM (9krrF)
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Taxes are still low. W. shrunk the tax base considerably after Reagan, and only top marginal rates went up slightly in the past few years. In short, Reagan's tax reforms remain, and have been deepened. Democrats aren't happy with that.
"Record levels of welfare"--is this true? I know food stamps usage is up under Obama, but my guess is that pre-'90s welfare reform rolls were much fatter than they are now.
The Democrats have lost on gun control. They're fighting over the margins, and they have zero hope of passing anything through Congress. And, Heller.
Unlimited immigration??? Net immigration from Mexico is zero right now, and there's not unlimited immigration. I'm not saying there's no problem or that I support amnesty, but your formulation of the problem is deeply misleading.
Posted by: gts109 at January 26, 2016 02:12 PM (KIvt1)
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Dems may be losing in gun control, but my point is they never give up. Compare that to Republicans who as soon as they lose any battle, pack up your bags and go gome, it's over.
And taxes are low? News to me every April 15th. We have a higher marginal tax rate than Canada for fuck's sake. And the highest corporate tax rate in the world.
Net immigration for Mexico is zero? Yeah sure, since pretty much every Mexican who wanted to come here is already here.
And yes record levels of welfare. There are about 110M people today receiving some type of govt check.
But yeah, liberals are totally ignored.
"Record levels of welfare"--is this true? I know food stamps usage is up under Obama, but my guess is that pre-'90s welfare reform rolls were much fatter than they are now.
The Democrats have lost on gun control. They're fighting over the margins, and they have zero hope of passing anything through Congress. And, Heller.
Unlimited immigration??? Net immigration from Mexico is zero right now, and there's not unlimited immigration. I'm not saying there's no problem or that I support amnesty, but your formulation of the problem is deeply misleading.
Posted by: gts109 at January 26, 2016 02:12 PM (KIvt1)
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Dems may be losing in gun control, but my point is they never give up. Compare that to Republicans who as soon as they lose any battle, pack up your bags and go gome, it's over.
And taxes are low? News to me every April 15th. We have a higher marginal tax rate than Canada for fuck's sake. And the highest corporate tax rate in the world.
Net immigration for Mexico is zero? Yeah sure, since pretty much every Mexican who wanted to come here is already here.
And yes record levels of welfare. There are about 110M people today receiving some type of govt check.
But yeah, liberals are totally ignored.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 02:17 PM (0LHZx)
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Character Abe Vigoda, whose leathery, sunken-eyed face made him ideal for playing the over-the-hill detective Phil Fish in the 1970s TV series "Barney Miller" and the doomed Mafia soldier in "The Godfather," died Tuesday at age 94.
Vigoda's daughter, Carol Vigoda Fuchs, told The Associated Press that Vigoda died Tuesday morning in his sleep at Fuchs' home in Woodland Park, New Jersey. The cause of death was old age. "This man was never sick," Fuchs said.
Vigoda's daughter, Carol Vigoda Fuchs, told The Associated Press that Vigoda died Tuesday morning in his sleep at Fuchs' home in Woodland Park, New Jersey. The cause of death was old age. "This man was never sick," Fuchs said.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 26, 2016 02:17 PM (FkBIv)
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Abe Vigoda died
RIP
Took one of our beloved memes with him, too.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 26, 2016 02:15 PM (9krrF)
Did he really die or are you just jerking our chain?
RIP
Took one of our beloved memes with him, too.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 26, 2016 02:15 PM (9krrF)
Did he really die or are you just jerking our chain?
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 02:18 PM (OrI3J)
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Alamo, it's fine to criticize Lewis, but I don't think he's a great example of the "establishment." He's a relatively free-floating critic. He writes for the DC and townhall, not exactly "establishment" organs. And he's young, and appears to write mostly just what he thinks, not for any corporate interests. So, I'm lost on whatever the point was supposed to be, except for more anger. Again, that's his point.
Posted by: gts109 at January 26, 2016 02:18 PM (KIvt1)
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may his memory be a blessing
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 02:18 PM (zOTsN)
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He was 94? That's a good life.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 02:18 PM (dFi94)
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I'm out. Done. There is nothing for me there anymore. And don't talk to me about military. Or the Supreme Court. They've burned those bridges as well.
Yeah, the GOP has lost everyone but the hard core chamber of commerce types and the few fools (I say that in the most affectionate sense) who still believe we have a chance to turn this thing around if only we can elect the right guys.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 02:05 PM (39g3+)
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The coalition of social, fiscal and military conservatives have suffered a near total loss (the only real exception being the right to bear arms). A lot of voters are re-examining the alliance.
Yeah, the GOP has lost everyone but the hard core chamber of commerce types and the few fools (I say that in the most affectionate sense) who still believe we have a chance to turn this thing around if only we can elect the right guys.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 02:05 PM (39g3+)
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The coalition of social, fiscal and military conservatives have suffered a near total loss (the only real exception being the right to bear arms). A lot of voters are re-examining the alliance.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at January 26, 2016 02:19 PM (LXJ1e)
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Did he really die or are you just jerking our chain?
Sadly legit this time:
http://tinyurl.com/hcj8txx
Sadly legit this time:
http://tinyurl.com/hcj8txx
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 26, 2016 02:19 PM (9krrF)
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For Old Times sake?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 02:20 PM (kzdjp)
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at January 26, 2016 02:20 PM (Cq0oW)
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Dems may be losing in gun control, but my point is they never give up. Compare that to Republicans who as soon as they lose any battle, pack up your bags and go gome, it's over.
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That is commendable of them. The fight will never go away.
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That is commendable of them. The fight will never go away.
Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 02:20 PM (gmeXX)
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231 Abe Vigoda died
RIP
Took one of our beloved memes with him, too.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 26, 2016 02:15 PM (9krrF)
There, there. There's always Brian Dennehy.
RIP
Took one of our beloved memes with him, too.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 26, 2016 02:15 PM (9krrF)
There, there. There's always Brian Dennehy.
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 26, 2016 02:20 PM (zgHEY)
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"Son, you're the best lover a mom could ever ask for".
Posted by: Conservative Brandine to Conservative Cletus at January 26, 2016 02:21 PM (FkgZk)
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RIP Abe. He was great in Barney miller.
Posted by: Moki at January 26, 2016 02:21 PM (7q2ch)
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Vigoda died for real. He was a Russian Jew, and loved handball. Seems he was a nice man.
Betty White on the bubble
Betty White on the bubble
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 02:21 PM (zOTsN)
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According to Abe Vigoda Status, as of right now he's still alive, and 137 years old.
I might have exaggerated.
I might have exaggerated.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 02:21 PM (39g3+)
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242 Character Abe Vigoda, whose leathery, sunken-eyed face made him ideal for playing the over-the-hill detective Phil Fish in the 1970s TV series "Barney Miller" and the doomed Mafia soldier in "The Godfather," died Tuesday at age 94.
Vigoda's daughter, Carol Vigoda Fuchs, told The Associated Press that Vigoda died Tuesday morning in his sleep at Fuchs' home in Woodland Park, New Jersey. The cause of death was old age. "This man was never sick," Fuchs said.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 26, 2016 02:17 PM (FkBIv)
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I'm actually sad about this. Became a star without having to upstage anyone.
Vigoda's daughter, Carol Vigoda Fuchs, told The Associated Press that Vigoda died Tuesday morning in his sleep at Fuchs' home in Woodland Park, New Jersey. The cause of death was old age. "This man was never sick," Fuchs said.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 26, 2016 02:17 PM (FkBIv)
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I'm actually sad about this. Became a star without having to upstage anyone.
Posted by: Soona at January 26, 2016 02:21 PM (Fmupd)
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Unlimited immigration??? Net immigration from Mexico is zero right now,
Oh? I guess the El Salvadorans, Nicaraguans, Hondurans, Guatemalans, Venezuelans, Surinames, and Bolivians didn't get the message.
Oh? I guess the El Salvadorans, Nicaraguans, Hondurans, Guatemalans, Venezuelans, Surinames, and Bolivians didn't get the message.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at January 26, 2016 02:21 PM (4df7R)
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Did he really die or are you just jerking our chain?
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 02:18 PM (OrI3J)
If the AP can be believed, he's dead, Jim.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 02:18 PM (OrI3J)
If the AP can be believed, he's dead, Jim.
Posted by: steveegg at January 26, 2016 02:22 PM (cL79m)
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Dave Brat and at least one other Rep from that freshman class.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 02:16 PM (OrI3J)
I know it's Tulsa, which is very Conservative, but Tea Party guy, Jim Bridenstine beat 5 term incumbent John Sullivan in the primary in 2012. It's true that Sullivan had just revealed he was an alcoholic who sought treatment and was now sober. The state GOP wanted him to stay in office because of his important committee standings. They were not pleased when Sullivan lost.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 02:16 PM (OrI3J)
I know it's Tulsa, which is very Conservative, but Tea Party guy, Jim Bridenstine beat 5 term incumbent John Sullivan in the primary in 2012. It's true that Sullivan had just revealed he was an alcoholic who sought treatment and was now sober. The state GOP wanted him to stay in office because of his important committee standings. They were not pleased when Sullivan lost.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at January 26, 2016 02:22 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: eleven at January 26, 2016 02:22 PM (qUNWi)
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hen each grabs a bottle off the shelf and leaves. Hillary, bewildered, stands slack-jawed because there's no one left to lie to.
No joke.
Wouldn't HRC VinceFoster them for trying to make off with the booze?
No joke.
Wouldn't HRC VinceFoster them for trying to make off with the booze?
Posted by: ThePotatoeOne at January 26, 2016 02:23 PM (DL2i+)
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"Immigration from Mexico is a net zero" ---um yeah, about that.... that is the latest load of b.s. that the media is flooding the zone with...along with "Obama has deported a record amount of immigrants"...
...these media statements are as intellectually honest as... "hands up don't shoot... so there's that...
"Immigration from Mexico is a net zero" ---um yeah, about that.... that is the latest load of b.s. that the media is flooding the zone with...along with "Obama has deported a record amount of immigrants"...
...these media statements are as intellectually honest as... "hands up don't shoot... so there's that...
Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at January 26, 2016 02:23 PM (Qj6zv)
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Jeff Goldblum death status confirmed.
Posted by: eleven at January 26, 2016 02:23 PM (qUNWi)
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Wiki has been updated already. He was dying anyway, so he stopped taking his medicine on Jan 22 and died today of old age
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 02:23 PM (zOTsN)
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One of the reasons I voted Republican was the military. After my son couldn't stomach the ROE anymore, the lives senselessly lost, the relentless PC crap they shoved down his throat, and all the restrictions they started putting on chaplains, he bailed. He was going to be career. 12 years and if they had wanted to physically shove him out, they couldn't have done a better job.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 02:23 PM (dFi94)
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Aside from a complete ban on guns, what is one major issue the left wanted 10 years ago that they do not have today?
Higher taxes: check
Virtual nationalization of health care: check
a $1T increase in spending: check
SSM: Check
Affirmative action still in place: check
Anyone can get a mortgage, regardless of income: check
Record % of residents are foreign born: check
Higher taxes: check
Virtual nationalization of health care: check
a $1T increase in spending: check
SSM: Check
Affirmative action still in place: check
Anyone can get a mortgage, regardless of income: check
Record % of residents are foreign born: check
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 02:23 PM (0LHZx)
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I didn't say liberals were totally ignored, MMM. I just don't think they've won every single thing for 25 years as some people think. Sure, they've logged a few big wins recently, but some of that should be expected when the country elects and then re-elects a giant leftist. As for gay marriage, that one was lost because a Reagan appointee wanted a legacy issue.
I do agree that Dems have a tenacity that we should try and replicate. But, we should also recognize that the progressive project of building an administrative and welfare state that was nigh impossible to disassemble took over 50 years to assemble (30s to 80s), and only developed a politically powerful ideological opponent (i.e. a major conservative political party) within the last 35 years. Tenacity and incrementalism don't have to be mutually exclusive.
I do agree that Dems have a tenacity that we should try and replicate. But, we should also recognize that the progressive project of building an administrative and welfare state that was nigh impossible to disassemble took over 50 years to assemble (30s to 80s), and only developed a politically powerful ideological opponent (i.e. a major conservative political party) within the last 35 years. Tenacity and incrementalism don't have to be mutually exclusive.
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Immigration from Mexico is zero the same way the earth is warming by 2 degrees every year.
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who still believe we have a chance to turn this thing around if only we can elect the right guys
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Eh. I know that we definitely can't turn things around if we don't elect the right guys. We're far past the Milton Freeman's point where we can expect the wrong people to do the right thing.
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Eh. I know that we definitely can't turn things around if we don't elect the right guys. We're far past the Milton Freeman's point where we can expect the wrong people to do the right thing.
Posted by: Joe at January 26, 2016 02:25 PM (KUaJL)
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251 Dems may be losing in gun control, but my point is they never give up. Compare that to Republicans who as soon as they lose any battle, pack up your bags and go gome, it's over.
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I know, right? What was more disheartening than the SCOTUS Obergefell decision was the voices on our side (Rubio, NRO's Charles CW Cooke to name two) who immediately started chanting "gay marriage is the law of the land now, we have to give up and move on".
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I know, right? What was more disheartening than the SCOTUS Obergefell decision was the voices on our side (Rubio, NRO's Charles CW Cooke to name two) who immediately started chanting "gay marriage is the law of the land now, we have to give up and move on".
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 26, 2016 02:25 PM (zgHEY)
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gts109 at January 26, 2016 02:18 PM
I cast my first vote for Reagan in 1980. I have been a dutiful Republican in the years since, canvassing, donating, and voting. I have been consistently lied to for thirty years now. AT first I was concerned, then I was miffed, next was agitation-- now anger. And they have earned it. I've been patient, too patient. If you do not understand that the Boehners, McConnells, and Bushes hold the rank and file (used to be) base of their party in complete contempt, you are not paying attention.
The Republican establishment wants nothing more than to protect their sinecure and they are perfectly willing to do that as a minority party. I loathe them more than I do the leftists who are at least honest about their intentions.
I cast my first vote for Reagan in 1980. I have been a dutiful Republican in the years since, canvassing, donating, and voting. I have been consistently lied to for thirty years now. AT first I was concerned, then I was miffed, next was agitation-- now anger. And they have earned it. I've been patient, too patient. If you do not understand that the Boehners, McConnells, and Bushes hold the rank and file (used to be) base of their party in complete contempt, you are not paying attention.
The Republican establishment wants nothing more than to protect their sinecure and they are perfectly willing to do that as a minority party. I loathe them more than I do the leftists who are at least honest about their intentions.
Posted by: Alamo at January 26, 2016 02:25 PM (2XJxO)
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I have to go get my hair done. I'll be back when I'm beautiful.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 02:25 PM (dFi94)
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So we're just a bunch of snake-handling hillbillies too stupid to understand what our betters in the GOPe have planned for us, I see. Fuck them and the hubris they rode in on.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 26, 2016 02:25 PM (kpqmD)
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a Democrat is leading the Republican polls. I'd say both bases have shifted decidedly leftwards." If the base is abandoning the intellectuals, it's because the intellectuals failed to make their case, not because the voters are too stupid to understand.
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Well, I dont think you can blame the Trump mess on conservative intellectuals or the Republican leadership. What we are seeing right now is the perverse result of celebrity culture and its sway over low-information voters.
Though even if you take these into account, one has to conclude that there is something severely wrong with people that they respond positively to a bullying madman like Trump.
This disaster is on the voters heads. They have been warned!
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Well, I dont think you can blame the Trump mess on conservative intellectuals or the Republican leadership. What we are seeing right now is the perverse result of celebrity culture and its sway over low-information voters.
Though even if you take these into account, one has to conclude that there is something severely wrong with people that they respond positively to a bullying madman like Trump.
This disaster is on the voters heads. They have been warned!
Posted by: Begonia at January 26, 2016 02:25 PM (tAngI)
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Posted by: gts109 at January 26, 2016 02:23 PM (KIvt1)
They've won everything of importance in the federal legislative and executive realms since 1997, or do you consider No Child Left Behind and Medicare Part D "conservative"?
I'll grant that SCOTUS gave them some recent setbacks on the gun and
free speech realms, but had W gotten his way, neither would have
happened.
They've won everything of importance in the federal legislative and executive realms since 1997, or do you consider No Child Left Behind and Medicare Part D "conservative"?
I'll grant that SCOTUS gave them some recent setbacks on the gun and
free speech realms, but had W gotten his way, neither would have
happened.
Posted by: steveegg at January 26, 2016 02:26 PM (cL79m)
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Vigoda was one of those guys who could do so much with so little. Just his stare was enough in a short bit on Barney Miller. He was always great on there, even if the main characters were annoying.
Salute to Abraham Vigoda and his memorable roles. Terrific, understated actor.
Salute to Abraham Vigoda and his memorable roles. Terrific, understated actor.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 02:26 PM (39g3+)
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Every time one of those establishment types loses another point in a poll, my cousin wife, Mabel, and I take another swig from granny's squeazin's and do a little jig on the back porch with our live-in family of pet possums.
Yee-Haw!
Yee-Haw!
Posted by: Fritz at January 26, 2016 02:26 PM (UzPAd)
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Who had January 26, 2016 in the Abe Vigoda dead pool?
Posted by: RUReadingthis at January 26, 2016 02:26 PM (AbKcF)
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www.abevigoda.com
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 02:26 PM (evdj2)
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who immediately started chanting "gay marriage is the law of the land now, we have to give up and move on".
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Abraham Lincoln rejected judicial supremacy ... so do I.
The supreme law of the land is the Constitution, not what the Court espouses on the Constitution.
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Abraham Lincoln rejected judicial supremacy ... so do I.
The supreme law of the land is the Constitution, not what the Court espouses on the Constitution.
Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 02:27 PM (gmeXX)
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I am all you Morons have left..... You had better be nice to me
Posted by: Brian Dennehey at January 26, 2016 02:27 PM (zv81W)
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He was great in the Godfather
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 02:27 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: DaveA at January 26, 2016 02:28 PM (DL2i+)
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What we are seeing right now is the perverse result of celebrity culture and its sway over low-information voters.
NO absolutely 100% WRONG.. What your seeing is the base sick and tired of being sold down the river especially when we control 2'/3 of the Giovernment, but nice try
NO absolutely 100% WRONG.. What your seeing is the base sick and tired of being sold down the river especially when we control 2'/3 of the Giovernment, but nice try
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 02:28 PM (kzdjp)
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Dems may be losing in gun control, but my point is
they never give up. Compare that to Republicans who as soon as they lose
any battle, pack up your bags and go gome, it's over.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 02:17 PM (0LHZx)
And the conservatives pack up as soon as they can declare even the smallest of victories, which is why the Rats never give up.
they never give up. Compare that to Republicans who as soon as they lose
any battle, pack up your bags and go gome, it's over.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 02:17 PM (0LHZx)
And the conservatives pack up as soon as they can declare even the smallest of victories, which is why the Rats never give up.
Posted by: steveegg at January 26, 2016 02:28 PM (cL79m)
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Those dimwitted Christians even have a go-to passage in the Bible for this sort of thing: "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." (Matthew 7:18-20)
See also Romans 1:22 - Professing to be wise, they became fools,
See also Romans 1:22 - Professing to be wise, they became fools,
Posted by: Puddleglum at January 26, 2016 02:28 PM (8txLu)
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Abe Vigoda passed away today at 94.
Posted by: Carol at January 26, 2016 02:28 PM (sj3Ax)
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SCOTUS decisions on guns and free speech....not the law of the land.
SCOTUS decisions on SSM and Obamacare, totes the law of the land.
SCOTUS decisions on SSM and Obamacare, totes the law of the land.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 02:28 PM (0LHZx)
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280 Who had January 26, 2016 in the Abe Vigoda dead pool?
Posted by: RUReadingthis at January 26, 2016 02:26 PM (AbKcF)
Nobody. Betting on Abe Vigoda dying was always a losing proposition.
Until now.
Posted by: RUReadingthis at January 26, 2016 02:26 PM (AbKcF)
Nobody. Betting on Abe Vigoda dying was always a losing proposition.
Until now.
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 26, 2016 02:28 PM (zgHEY)
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Taxes are still low.
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Depends on your definition of low I guess. If you are saying they could be higher, then I guess yes.
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Depends on your definition of low I guess. If you are saying they could be higher, then I guess yes.
Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 02:29 PM (gmeXX)
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He was great in the Godfather
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 02:27 PM (zOTsN)
It was the smart move
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 02:27 PM (zOTsN)
It was the smart move
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 02:29 PM (kzdjp)
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Vigoda. I always thought it would be Keith Richards.
Posted by: Tom Hagen at January 26, 2016 02:29 PM (8ZskC)
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Abe Vigoda's actually dead? Now my last minuscule scrap of faith is finally gone.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 26, 2016 02:29 PM (kpqmD)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at January 26, 2016 02:29 PM (kff5f)
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"Record levels of welfare"--is this true? I know food stamps usage is up under Obama, but my guess is that pre-'90s welfare reform rolls were much fatter than they are now.
Haven't you heard? It's called "unemployment benefits extended to 99 weeks and beyond."
Meanwhile, the illegals "do the gruntwork americans won't do...."
Net migration zero? News to us in CA.....
Haven't you heard? It's called "unemployment benefits extended to 99 weeks and beyond."
Meanwhile, the illegals "do the gruntwork americans won't do...."
Net migration zero? News to us in CA.....
Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 26, 2016 02:29 PM (GsebS)
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SCOTUS decisions on guns and free speech....not the law of the land.
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Correct (I know you were joking). The 1st and 2nd A are part of the supreme law of the land.
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Correct (I know you were joking). The 1st and 2nd A are part of the supreme law of the land.
Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 02:30 PM (gmeXX)
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grammie winger,
Ten years here (out in 2009, six months after the JEF was sworn in), and I fully understand where your son is coming from.
The intervening years, though somewhat rocky at times, has proven me right regarding my decision to get the fuck out.
Iraq under Bush and Co regarding the RoE was bad enough. No damn ways was I sticking around for Obama.
A lot of NCOs and officers feel the same way.
With the changes to the retirement system coming soon, good luck getting folks to reup.
Ten years here (out in 2009, six months after the JEF was sworn in), and I fully understand where your son is coming from.
The intervening years, though somewhat rocky at times, has proven me right regarding my decision to get the fuck out.
Iraq under Bush and Co regarding the RoE was bad enough. No damn ways was I sticking around for Obama.
A lot of NCOs and officers feel the same way.
With the changes to the retirement system coming soon, good luck getting folks to reup.
Posted by: SMFH at January 26, 2016 02:30 PM (TKKli)
Posted by: Carol at January 26, 2016 02:31 PM (sj3Ax)
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(wherein he was providing constructive criticism to conservatives),
More His-and Gay-pandering? Yeah, that's worked out well.... :-P
More His-and Gay-pandering? Yeah, that's worked out well.... :-P
Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 26, 2016 02:31 PM (GsebS)
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only developed a politically powerful ideological opponent (i.e. a major conservative political party) within the last 35 years. Tenacity and incrementalism don't have to be mutually exclusive.
Posted by: gts109 at January 26, 2016 02:23 PM (KIvt1)
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Are you kidding me? The only "win" was '96 welfare reform. And that wasn't a win at all because it set in stone on the conservative side that the Federal government has a responsibility in handing out the dole, even if it is just writing checks.
Posted by: gts109 at January 26, 2016 02:23 PM (KIvt1)
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Are you kidding me? The only "win" was '96 welfare reform. And that wasn't a win at all because it set in stone on the conservative side that the Federal government has a responsibility in handing out the dole, even if it is just writing checks.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at January 26, 2016 02:31 PM (LXJ1e)
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Vigoda. I always thought it would be Keith Richards.
Posted by: Tom Hagen at January 26, 2016 02:29 PM (8ZskC)
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Well done Tom. Too bad you are not a wartime consigliary.
Posted by: Tom Hagen at January 26, 2016 02:29 PM (8ZskC)
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Well done Tom. Too bad you are not a wartime consigliary.
Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 02:31 PM (gmeXX)
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I always figured death would let him off the hook, for old times sake.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 02:31 PM (evdj2)
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Taxes have never been higher in the aggregate. Yeah the top marginal income tax rate was once 91%. Big fucking deal, only like 100 people ever actually paid that tax rate and only on income above $5M or so in today's dollars.
But when you add up all the taxes you pay...income (fed and state), FICA tax, Obamacare tax, sales tax, property tax, gas tax, FCC tax on your cell phone bill, etc....we have never, as a country been taxed more. And tha shit goes up every year.
But when you add up all the taxes you pay...income (fed and state), FICA tax, Obamacare tax, sales tax, property tax, gas tax, FCC tax on your cell phone bill, etc....we have never, as a country been taxed more. And tha shit goes up every year.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 02:31 PM (0LHZx)
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Watched the latest Deadpool trailer. That made me laugh, out loud, hard, a good half dozen times. As long as the need to have an "R" rating doesn't ruin the movie like the Farrelly Brothers sometimes do, should be a great entertainment.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 02:31 PM (39g3+)
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a Democrat is leading the Republican polls. I'd say
both bases have shifted decidedly leftwards." If the base is abandoning
the intellectuals, it's because the intellectuals failed to make their
case, not because the voters are too stupid to understand.
______
Well, I dont think you can blame the Trump mess on conservative
intellectuals or the Republican leadership. What we are seeing right now
is the perverse result of celebrity culture and its sway over
low-information voters.
Though even if you take these into account, one has to conclude that
there is something severely wrong with people that they respond
positively to a bullying madman like Trump.
This disaster is on the voters heads. They have been warned!
Posted by: Begonia at January 26, 2016 02:25 PM (tAngI)
I don't think Trump is proof of a leftward swing in the R base... perversely, his supporters on the right are trying to punish the GOP for going left by supporting Trump. I do think his celebrity and pugnaciousness is smoothing over a lot of Trump's progressiveness for his supporters on the right.
both bases have shifted decidedly leftwards." If the base is abandoning
the intellectuals, it's because the intellectuals failed to make their
case, not because the voters are too stupid to understand.
______
Well, I dont think you can blame the Trump mess on conservative
intellectuals or the Republican leadership. What we are seeing right now
is the perverse result of celebrity culture and its sway over
low-information voters.
Though even if you take these into account, one has to conclude that
there is something severely wrong with people that they respond
positively to a bullying madman like Trump.
This disaster is on the voters heads. They have been warned!
Posted by: Begonia at January 26, 2016 02:25 PM (tAngI)
I don't think Trump is proof of a leftward swing in the R base... perversely, his supporters on the right are trying to punish the GOP for going left by supporting Trump. I do think his celebrity and pugnaciousness is smoothing over a lot of Trump's progressiveness for his supporters on the right.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 02:32 PM (OrI3J)
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Slight edit:
"An out-and-proud socialist is generating all the buzz on the Democrats' side, and a Democrat (running as a more conservative option) is leading the Republican polls. I'd say both bases have shifted decidedly leftwards."
"An out-and-proud socialist is generating all the buzz on the Democrats' side, and a Democrat (running as a more conservative option) is leading the Republican polls. I'd say both bases have shifted decidedly leftwards."
Posted by: Leland at January 26, 2016 02:32 PM (qAsnE)
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Does it makes sense to hire a Jeff Sessions aide that led the charge against the last amnesty if you were going to go full liberal and for open borders once in office? I guess he could fire him later, but I think Trump may be more conservative than you think on least a few major issues. The sad thing is, even if he is ONLY conservative on a few major issues and moderate/liberal on everything else, our side (conservatives) would still come out way ahead when compared to the last 25 years. A low bar for success, I know.
It all depends on what kind of "deal" we are talking about. Anyone thinking Ted Cruz would swoop in and magically get 100% of what he wanted while crushing all liberals is sadly mistaken. That is not a knock on Ted Cruz, but just a reality for anyone.
It all depends on what kind of "deal" we are talking about. Anyone thinking Ted Cruz would swoop in and magically get 100% of what he wanted while crushing all liberals is sadly mistaken. That is not a knock on Ted Cruz, but just a reality for anyone.
Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at January 26, 2016 02:32 PM (COpZ4)
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Part of my reason for holding on is that I want my generation to be given a chance. The boomers are still in charge.
Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 02:02 PM (gmeXX)I'm don't know what "your generation" is and I am sure it doesn't apply to you personally, but I think it is worth pointing out that the pathetic state of many millennials is a major reason why the Chamber of Commerce types are so desperate to import and amnesty illegals.
The same sentiment was behind Allahpundit's humorous "Deport the Millennials" campaign.
Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 02:02 PM (gmeXX)I'm don't know what "your generation" is and I am sure it doesn't apply to you personally, but I think it is worth pointing out that the pathetic state of many millennials is a major reason why the Chamber of Commerce types are so desperate to import and amnesty illegals.
The same sentiment was behind Allahpundit's humorous "Deport the Millennials" campaign.
Posted by: cool breeze at January 26, 2016 02:32 PM (ckvus)
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Repent now! The end is near! Abe Vigoda is dead!!!
Posted by: freaked out! at January 26, 2016 02:33 PM (KvWlw)
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306 Watched the latest Deadpool trailer. That made me laugh, out loud, hard, a good half dozen times. As long as the need to have an "R" rating doesn't ruin the movie like the Farrelly Brothers sometimes do, should be a great entertainment.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 02:31 PM (39g3+)
You can't make a true-to-character Deadpool movie without the "R" rating.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 02:31 PM (39g3+)
You can't make a true-to-character Deadpool movie without the "R" rating.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 26, 2016 02:33 PM (kpqmD)
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A lot of NCOs and officers feel the same way.
With the changes to the retirement system coming soon, good luck getting folks to reup.
Posted by: SMFH at January 26, 2016 02:30 PM (TKKli)
People re-up and stay in ( even fight to stay in) for many different reasons, but Morale sucks and is getting worse, that is for sure
With the changes to the retirement system coming soon, good luck getting folks to reup.
Posted by: SMFH at January 26, 2016 02:30 PM (TKKli)
People re-up and stay in ( even fight to stay in) for many different reasons, but Morale sucks and is getting worse, that is for sure
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 02:33 PM (kzdjp)
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Anyone thinking Ted Cruz would swoop in and magically get 100% of what he wanted while crushing all liberals is sadly mistaken.
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I don't think any Cruz supporter thinks that - well I don't. Trump may prove to be an effective conservative president. If he wins, for the sake of the country, I hope that is true.
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I don't think any Cruz supporter thinks that - well I don't. Trump may prove to be an effective conservative president. If he wins, for the sake of the country, I hope that is true.
Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 02:34 PM (gmeXX)
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But when you add up all the taxes you pay...income (fed and state), FICA tax, Obamacare tax, sales tax, property tax, gas tax, FCC tax on your cell phone bill, etc....we have never, as a country been taxed more.
This is a good point, and often overlooked. We don't have big income tax rates, we are just buried in a flood of taxes. And its even worse at the local level. The city of Salem just taxes for the street lights and for water runoff from property. Its getting ridiculous.
The founding fathers would have been out with rifles 20 years ago.
This is a good point, and often overlooked. We don't have big income tax rates, we are just buried in a flood of taxes. And its even worse at the local level. The city of Salem just taxes for the street lights and for water runoff from property. Its getting ridiculous.
The founding fathers would have been out with rifles 20 years ago.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 02:34 PM (39g3+)
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The hamsters are trying to follow Abe.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 02:36 PM (evdj2)
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voters heads. They have been warned!
Posted by: Begonia
Back to your ergular service Average Joe?
Posted by: Begonia
Back to your ergular service Average Joe?
Posted by: DaveA at January 26, 2016 02:36 PM (DL2i+)
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You can't make a true-to-character Deadpool movie without the "R" rating.
I know, but its one thing to have him be true to the character and another to have the director just throw in stuff because its an R and he wants to be all hardcore.
I know, but its one thing to have him be true to the character and another to have the director just throw in stuff because its an R and he wants to be all hardcore.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 02:36 PM (39g3+)
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Are you kidding me? The only "win" was '96 welfare reform. And that wasn't a win at all because it set in stone on the conservative side that the Federal government has a responsibility in handing out the dole, even if it is just writing checks.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at January 26, 2016 02:31 PM (LXJ1e)
And not only that, but the Obama administration rewrote the welfare eligibility rules and the changes effectively gutted the "three years and out" rule that used to be hard and fast.
So goodbye welfare reform, welcome back multi-generational welfare families.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at January 26, 2016 02:31 PM (LXJ1e)
And not only that, but the Obama administration rewrote the welfare eligibility rules and the changes effectively gutted the "three years and out" rule that used to be hard and fast.
So goodbye welfare reform, welcome back multi-generational welfare families.
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 26, 2016 02:36 PM (zgHEY)
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289 Abe Vigoda passed away today at 94.
Posted by: Carol at January 26, 2016 02:28 PM (sj3Ax)
Oh, no! Who will take his place in the AoSHQ "I'm still here!" position of honor?
I watched The Godfather Saga just the other night. He was only in his early 50s when he played Tessio. I think it was his voice and mournful visage that lent something to the jokes about his age. RIP, Abe.
289 Abe Vigoda passed away today at 94.
Posted by: Carol at January 26, 2016 02:28 PM (sj3Ax)
Oh, no! Who will take his place in the AoSHQ "I'm still here!" position of honor?
I watched The Godfather Saga just the other night. He was only in his early 50s when he played Tessio. I think it was his voice and mournful visage that lent something to the jokes about his age. RIP, Abe.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 26, 2016 02:37 PM (BK3ZS)
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Don't forget BS "delivery fees" on utility bills. Mine are more fees than usage costs!
Posted by: Carol at January 26, 2016 02:37 PM (sj3Ax)
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Ngu,
I commend those that do. Since I no longer had to worry about kids (or a hubby) to take care of, it was easy to make that decision.
Those with spouses and kids, I understand the reasons to stay in, and even fight to stay in.
Shit sandwich all around.
I commend those that do. Since I no longer had to worry about kids (or a hubby) to take care of, it was easy to make that decision.
Those with spouses and kids, I understand the reasons to stay in, and even fight to stay in.
Shit sandwich all around.
Posted by: SMFH at January 26, 2016 02:37 PM (TKKli)
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Jeff Goldblum and now Abe Vigota? What a sad day.
Posted by: DJ Jazzy Mel at January 26, 2016 02:37 PM (22uju)
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Watched the latest Deadpool trailer. That made me laugh, out loud,
hard, a good half dozen times. As long as the need to have an "R"
rating doesn't ruin the movie like the Farrelly Brothers sometimes do,
should be a great entertainment.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 02:31 PM (39g3+)
That's going to be the Valentine's day movie my fiance and I go see. ^_^
Watched the latest Deadpool trailer. That made me laugh, out loud,
hard, a good half dozen times. As long as the need to have an "R"
rating doesn't ruin the movie like the Farrelly Brothers sometimes do,
should be a great entertainment.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 02:31 PM (39g3+)
That's going to be the Valentine's day movie my fiance and I go see. ^_^
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at January 26, 2016 02:37 PM (4df7R)
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And yet Larry King lives.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 26, 2016 02:38 PM (PolPw)
Posted by: SMFH at January 26, 2016 02:39 PM (TKKli)
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We don't have big income tax rates
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I don't know. I consider all rates above 28% to be quite large.
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I don't know. I consider all rates above 28% to be quite large.
Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 02:39 PM (gmeXX)
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Trump may prove to be an effective conservative president.
Oh I think he'd be an awful president, but at least he'd be competent and not as radically extreme leftist as the Democrat alternatives. Plus, he'd take the full economic disaster of next year straight in the teeth and maybe he could handle it, having dug his way out of disaster several times.
Oh I think he'd be an awful president, but at least he'd be competent and not as radically extreme leftist as the Democrat alternatives. Plus, he'd take the full economic disaster of next year straight in the teeth and maybe he could handle it, having dug his way out of disaster several times.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 02:39 PM (39g3+)
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I consider anything above 10% to be unholy.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 02:40 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 02:40 PM (uhkms)
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And the reason I say local elections don't matter is because that doesn't show any trend. In place like rural Idaho, yeah those people get elected even as Bernie finishes out his second term. It doesn't mean much to show the direction of the country.
LePage...OK that's a good example. Ted Cruz...he's from Texas, that's supposed to happen, it would be like liberals getting excited that a hard core liberal is elected in CA. It's kind of meh.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 02:12 PM (0LHZx)
Moo Moo, local elections do matter, because they change over time.
Take for example, Detroit. Detroit elected only black militant Democrat mayors for decades until the entire thing fell apart. And this time? A Democrat for sure, but a white businessman. At some point, people wise up. They start looking for what they need, not what they think their neighbors will be impressed with.
School boards. Conservatives can win elections for school boards and yes, it matters. Why do you think so many of the schools have deteriorated into progressive indoctrination centers? Because the parents want this? No, it's because most school boards are filled with progressive types, who want and yearn for public policy positions to advance their ideology. Conservatives are too busy running the hardware store or trying to spend time with their kids in the evening to spend time on the school board.
And that is a downfall of conservative/Republicans that they HAVE to correct, if we are to have any chance of turning this around someday. The changes have to start at the very local level, so that when conservative politicians and policy makers get to the state level, they have strong roots and a backbone. And it goes from there.
LePage...OK that's a good example. Ted Cruz...he's from Texas, that's supposed to happen, it would be like liberals getting excited that a hard core liberal is elected in CA. It's kind of meh.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 02:12 PM (0LHZx)
Moo Moo, local elections do matter, because they change over time.
Take for example, Detroit. Detroit elected only black militant Democrat mayors for decades until the entire thing fell apart. And this time? A Democrat for sure, but a white businessman. At some point, people wise up. They start looking for what they need, not what they think their neighbors will be impressed with.
School boards. Conservatives can win elections for school boards and yes, it matters. Why do you think so many of the schools have deteriorated into progressive indoctrination centers? Because the parents want this? No, it's because most school boards are filled with progressive types, who want and yearn for public policy positions to advance their ideology. Conservatives are too busy running the hardware store or trying to spend time with their kids in the evening to spend time on the school board.
And that is a downfall of conservative/Republicans that they HAVE to correct, if we are to have any chance of turning this around someday. The changes have to start at the very local level, so that when conservative politicians and policy makers get to the state level, they have strong roots and a backbone. And it goes from there.
Posted by: Jen the original at January 26, 2016 02:40 PM (TKQrK)
Posted by: DaveA at January 26, 2016 02:40 PM (DL2i+)
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Matt Lewis wrote such an incisive book and the Weekly Standard had a fantastic review of it - how did Trump gain 5 points after it?
Posted by: Slack Jawed Republican Strategist at January 26, 2016 02:41 PM (tuRLb)
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In the GOPe's defense, the donks call the Republican base stupid hicks all the time and have no problem winning.
Posted by: mugiwara at January 26, 2016 02:41 PM (rwxN0)
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Alamo, politicians will always disappoint, but I'm not sure why you think the country will change in the way you want if you either give up or vote for a megalomaniac populist obsessed with polls who shares virtually none of your principles.
MMM, I think you exaggerage about losing all legislative and executive actions since '97. We got tax cuts under W. We got the sequester. W. aggressively pursued the war on terror. W. also took all sorts of administrative / executive actions that conservatives liked. W. also gave us Roberts and Alito (Roberts isn't perfect, but he's better than O'Connor or Kennedy). I think your frustration (which I share) comes from the fact that the country elected and re-elected Obama.
MMM, I think you exaggerage about losing all legislative and executive actions since '97. We got tax cuts under W. We got the sequester. W. aggressively pursued the war on terror. W. also took all sorts of administrative / executive actions that conservatives liked. W. also gave us Roberts and Alito (Roberts isn't perfect, but he's better than O'Connor or Kennedy). I think your frustration (which I share) comes from the fact that the country elected and re-elected Obama.
Posted by: gts109 at January 26, 2016 02:41 PM (KIvt1)
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More His-and Gay-pandering? Yeah, that's worked out well.... :-P
Yep. Insulting the stalwart base and pandering to folks who vote nearly monolithically D. Absolute rocket surgery.
Too. Stupid. To. Live.
Yep. Insulting the stalwart base and pandering to folks who vote nearly monolithically D. Absolute rocket surgery.
Too. Stupid. To. Live.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 26, 2016 02:41 PM (9krrF)
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That's going to be the Valentine's day movie my fiance and I go see. ^_^
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at January 26, 2016 02:37 PM (4df7R)
I need you to talk to my wife...
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at January 26, 2016 02:37 PM (4df7R)
I need you to talk to my wife...
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at January 26, 2016 02:41 PM (kff5f)
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Does it makes sense to hire a Jeff Sessions aide that led the charge against the last amnesty if you were going to go full liberal and for open borders once in office? I guess he could fire him later, but I think Trump may be more conservative than you think on least a few major issues. The sad thing is, even if he is ONLY conservative on a few major issues and moderate/liberal on everything else, our side (conservatives) would still come out way ahead when compared to the last 25 years. A low bar for success, I know.
It all depends on what kind of "deal" we are talking about. Anyone thinking Ted Cruz would swoop in and magically get 100% of what he wanted while crushing all liberals is sadly mistaken. That is not a knock on Ted Cruz, but just a reality for anyone.
Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at January 26, 2016 02:32 PM (COpZ4)
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I think this election is about National Sovereignty. It undergirds all of Trump's rhetoric. We should control our borders, make deals with foreigners for the benefit of Americans have a foreign policy for the good of America, etc.
It all depends on what kind of "deal" we are talking about. Anyone thinking Ted Cruz would swoop in and magically get 100% of what he wanted while crushing all liberals is sadly mistaken. That is not a knock on Ted Cruz, but just a reality for anyone.
Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at January 26, 2016 02:32 PM (COpZ4)
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I think this election is about National Sovereignty. It undergirds all of Trump's rhetoric. We should control our borders, make deals with foreigners for the benefit of Americans have a foreign policy for the good of America, etc.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at January 26, 2016 02:41 PM (LXJ1e)
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and maybe he could handle it, having dug his way out of disaster
A problem being this time we owe the money to ourselves.
A problem being this time we owe the money to ourselves.
Posted by: DaveA at January 26, 2016 02:41 PM (DL2i+)
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"An out-and-proud socialist is generating all the buzz on the
Democrats' side, and a Democrat is leading the Republican polls. I'd say
both bases have shifted decidedly leftwards."
So if the base really has shifted leftward, what do you expect a conservative intellectual to do? Abandon all principles and just follow the crowd?
Democrats' side, and a Democrat is leading the Republican polls. I'd say
both bases have shifted decidedly leftwards."
So if the base really has shifted leftward, what do you expect a conservative intellectual to do? Abandon all principles and just follow the crowd?
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 02:42 PM (lVU49)
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I had Error 500 on here. Has it happened to others?
Posted by: Carol at January 26, 2016 02:42 PM (sj3Ax)
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274 I have to go get my hair done. I'll be back when I'm beautiful.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 02:25 PM (dFi94)
Grammie dahhhling I didn't even know you'd gone.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 26, 2016 02:25 PM (dFi94)
Grammie dahhhling I didn't even know you'd gone.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 02:42 PM (xuouz)
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Still here ?
Still here ?
Posted by: Dr. Ruth Westheimer at January 26, 2016 02:42 PM (nCSwS)
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Anyone thinking Ted Cruz would swoop in and magically get 100% of what he wanted while crushing all liberals is sadly mistaken.
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I don't think any Cruz supporter thinks that - well I don't. Trump
may prove to be an effective conservative president. If he wins, for
the sake of the country, I hope that is true.
Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 02:34 PM (gmeXX)
I think Cruz has the best chance of being a conservative president because he is the only one still running (not exactly true since Carson and Paul) who is an actual conservative. I think, if Trump is elected, we will maybe (big maybe here) get a conservative immigration policy but that is all. We will also get a whole host of "lets make a deal with democrats" policy disasters on all other fronts. And I think we can pretty much count on a proliferation of crony capitalist policies that will make 2008 look like nothing in comparison.
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I don't think any Cruz supporter thinks that - well I don't. Trump
may prove to be an effective conservative president. If he wins, for
the sake of the country, I hope that is true.
Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 02:34 PM (gmeXX)
I think Cruz has the best chance of being a conservative president because he is the only one still running (not exactly true since Carson and Paul) who is an actual conservative. I think, if Trump is elected, we will maybe (big maybe here) get a conservative immigration policy but that is all. We will also get a whole host of "lets make a deal with democrats" policy disasters on all other fronts. And I think we can pretty much count on a proliferation of crony capitalist policies that will make 2008 look like nothing in comparison.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 02:42 PM (OrI3J)
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341 I had Error 500 on here. Has it happened to others?
Posted by: Carol at January 26, 2016 02:42 PM (sj3Ax)
Happens why I try to paste certain things. I still don't know what causes it. It's not just links, I think it might be a formatting issue.
I didn't read all the red text so I don't actually know.
Posted by: Carol at January 26, 2016 02:42 PM (sj3Ax)
Happens why I try to paste certain things. I still don't know what causes it. It's not just links, I think it might be a formatting issue.
I didn't read all the red text so I don't actually know.
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 02:43 PM (xuouz)
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This disaster is on the voters heads. They have been warned!
Posted by: Begonia at January 26, 2016 02:25 PM (tAngI)
Repent! Jeb!
You peasants don't deserve Mitch the Bitch!
Posted by: Begonia at January 26, 2016 02:25 PM (tAngI)
Repent! Jeb!
You peasants don't deserve Mitch the Bitch!
Posted by: Dan D. Lyin at January 26, 2016 02:44 PM (326rv)
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RIP, Tessio.
Posted by: gp at January 26, 2016 02:44 PM (mk9aG)
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Trump is a lot of things but he's no conservative. He's a businessman and an opportunist. He has shrewdly tapped into the rage of the average American and is exploiting it all the way to the nomination.
What he will do if actually elected is very much in doubt, no matter what he says now.
Trump is a lot of things but he's no conservative. He's a businessman and an opportunist. He has shrewdly tapped into the rage of the average American and is exploiting it all the way to the nomination.
What he will do if actually elected is very much in doubt, no matter what he says now.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 02:44 PM (uhkms)
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One of the worst things we're facing is that the housing balloon is filling up again. The geniuses at the Obama administration have written the rules so that a house can be financed by a group of people, with their total incomes. So, say, me and my three brothers get together to buy a home they count all our incomes. Except only the one who actually purchases the property is on the line for paying the loan back, and only they can be targeted by banks to collect.
So: bigger pool counted for loan availability, still same broke ass person on the line to repay. And, as we know, the government is still leaning on banks to give loans to these people.
So: bigger pool counted for loan availability, still same broke ass person on the line to repay. And, as we know, the government is still leaning on banks to give loans to these people.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 02:44 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Carol at January 26, 2016 02:44 PM (sj3Ax)
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Trump may prove to be an effective conservative president
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effective, not conservative. and that's OK by me.
going by the definitions bandied about, I mean.
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effective, not conservative. and that's OK by me.
going by the definitions bandied about, I mean.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at January 26, 2016 02:44 PM (Cq0oW)
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Looks like the hamsters took a smoke break. By the time I tweeted out to @PixyMisa it was back.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at January 26, 2016 02:45 PM (9krrF)
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You're really at the wrong place for error lists.
I think you exaggerage about losing all legislative and executive
actions since '97. We got tax cuts under W. We got the sequester. W.
aggressively pursued the war on terror. W. also took all sorts of
administrative / executive actions that conservatives liked. W. also
gave us Roberts
Since rescinded,
Since spent,
Ineffectively and Since both major fronts lost.
Since pen/phoned,
Since ObamaCared.
Things are beyond the back and forth now.
I think you exaggerage about losing all legislative and executive
actions since '97. We got tax cuts under W. We got the sequester. W.
aggressively pursued the war on terror. W. also took all sorts of
administrative / executive actions that conservatives liked. W. also
gave us Roberts
Since rescinded,
Since spent,
Ineffectively and Since both major fronts lost.
Since pen/phoned,
Since ObamaCared.
Things are beyond the back and forth now.
Posted by: DaveA at January 26, 2016 02:45 PM (DL2i+)
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258
Tad limited in your thinking. Gotta broaden the horizons.
You seem to forget that we are facing a wave of Asian visitors. And imports from Musselmanland. Expect a tidal wave of those rapey penguins to fulfill the Antarctic quota.
Tad limited in your thinking. Gotta broaden the horizons.
You seem to forget that we are facing a wave of Asian visitors. And imports from Musselmanland. Expect a tidal wave of those rapey penguins to fulfill the Antarctic quota.
Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at January 26, 2016 02:45 PM (FtrY1)
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I had Error 500 on here. Has it happened to others?
I got one too, I think it was one of the hamsters spinning the wheels on the generator taking a break.
I got one too, I think it was one of the hamsters spinning the wheels on the generator taking a break.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 02:45 PM (39g3+)
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The geniuses at the Obama administration have written the rules so that a house can be financed by a group of people, with their total incomes.
Tailor made for illegal aliens.
Tailor made for illegal aliens.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 26, 2016 02:46 PM (FkBIv)
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It all depends on what kind of "deal" we are talking about. Anyone thinking Ted Cruz would swoop in and magically get 100% of what he wanted while crushing all liberals is sadly mistaken. That is not a knock on Ted Cruz, but just a reality for anyone.
Posted by: Duncan MacLeod,
The Art of the Deal.
Trump gets 80%, opponent gets 20%.
THAT'S how a businessman deals. He doesn't win by losing.
Posted by: Duncan MacLeod,
The Art of the Deal.
Trump gets 80%, opponent gets 20%.
THAT'S how a businessman deals. He doesn't win by losing.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 02:46 PM (Yzubb)
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I had a server error too. Gone now, right?
I had a server error too. Gone now, right?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 02:46 PM (uhkms)
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And on this subject,
It sure looks to me like Ace's twitter is being astroturfed like a bad man.
I made allusion to it in a tweet (and he probably already knows), but same damn argument day after day by the, "if you don't vote for "us" then the bad people win" crowd.
It sure looks to me like Ace's twitter is being astroturfed like a bad man.
I made allusion to it in a tweet (and he probably already knows), but same damn argument day after day by the, "if you don't vote for "us" then the bad people win" crowd.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean ( Ahad Ha'am) at January 26, 2016 02:46 PM (BZAd3)
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If Trump is the nominee, I will very seriously consider voting Libertarian.
Posted by: V the K at January 26, 2016 02:46 PM (O7MnT)
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That error 500 is caused by NSA monitoring software
Posted by: GT 5.0 at January 26, 2016 02:46 PM (BtHgT)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 02:46 PM (39g3+)
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329 I consider anything above 10% to be unholy.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 02:40 PM (evdj2)
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Same here. The only exception that I see is perhaps 15% for a national mobilization effort in the times of war. But no more than 15%.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commentor with equal or greater value at January 26, 2016 02:40 PM (evdj2)
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Same here. The only exception that I see is perhaps 15% for a national mobilization effort in the times of war. But no more than 15%.
Posted by: Soona at January 26, 2016 02:47 PM (Fmupd)
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The W. tax cuts were NOT rescinded. Only some of them were, on "the rich". The rest were preserved.
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 02:47 PM (lVU49)
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Trump is a lot of things but he's no conservative. He's a businessman and an opportunist. He has shrewdly tapped into the rage of the average American and is exploiting it all the way to the nomination.
What he will do if actually elected is very much in doubt, no matter what he says now.------J.J. Sefton
I doubt he will beat Hillary or Bernie. I also suspect much of his "dem" support is only because they knwo he will lose to those awful candidates.
Open primaries are for fools.
Trump is a lot of things but he's no conservative. He's a businessman and an opportunist. He has shrewdly tapped into the rage of the average American and is exploiting it all the way to the nomination.
What he will do if actually elected is very much in doubt, no matter what he says now.------J.J. Sefton
I doubt he will beat Hillary or Bernie. I also suspect much of his "dem" support is only because they knwo he will lose to those awful candidates.
Open primaries are for fools.
Posted by: Tilikum Cruel Assault Whale at January 26, 2016 02:47 PM (+aCe4)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 02:47 PM (Yzubb)
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Even is supposed conservative areas, people are willingly paying higher taxes. Where I live , every year there's some ballot measure to raise taxes for some reason or other. usually it's for the children, more money for schools, for libraries, for parks, whatever. And every fucking time it passes with at least 60%. And this is in a county that votes almost 100% Republican (not 100% of the vote, I mean the Republican running wins 100% of the time).
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 02:47 PM (0LHZx)
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I had Error 500 on here. Has it happened to others
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did you try pasting something? never works any more
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did you try pasting something? never works any more
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at January 26, 2016 02:47 PM (Cq0oW)
369
360
If Trump is the nominee, I will very seriously consider voting Libertarian.
Posted by: V the K at January 26, 2016 02:46 PM (O7MnT)
I am pretty much there already.
If Trump is the nominee, I will very seriously consider voting Libertarian.
Posted by: V the K at January 26, 2016 02:46 PM (O7MnT)
I am pretty much there already.
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 02:47 PM (lVU49)
370
John Podhoretz just linked this post and called Monty "a moron", but not in a good way
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 02:47 PM (zOTsN)
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Oh I think he'd be an awful president, but at
least he'd be competent and not as radically extreme leftist as the
Democrat alternatives. Plus, he'd take the full economic disaster of
next year straight in the teeth and maybe he could handle it, having dug
his way out of disaster several times.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 02:39 PM (39g3+)
What I always say about a potential Trump Presidency is this: everyone in Congress hates him and would actively work to curtail his power in the White House. That's a helluva lot more than any of them have done with Obama in the Oval Office. If nothing else, we might start to see a reinforcement of checks and balances were Trump elected.
I don't particularly want him as President; I don't think he'd be a good one. But I'm not going to claim that he'd be worse than Hillary because I don't believe that one iota. Id' say for Trump the same as I said for Obama: I don't like him, but I hope he can deliver even a few of the positive outcomes he promised. Obama failed that particular test; the jury's still out on Trump.
Oh I think he'd be an awful president, but at
least he'd be competent and not as radically extreme leftist as the
Democrat alternatives. Plus, he'd take the full economic disaster of
next year straight in the teeth and maybe he could handle it, having dug
his way out of disaster several times.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 02:39 PM (39g3+)
What I always say about a potential Trump Presidency is this: everyone in Congress hates him and would actively work to curtail his power in the White House. That's a helluva lot more than any of them have done with Obama in the Oval Office. If nothing else, we might start to see a reinforcement of checks and balances were Trump elected.
I don't particularly want him as President; I don't think he'd be a good one. But I'm not going to claim that he'd be worse than Hillary because I don't believe that one iota. Id' say for Trump the same as I said for Obama: I don't like him, but I hope he can deliver even a few of the positive outcomes he promised. Obama failed that particular test; the jury's still out on Trump.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at January 26, 2016 02:48 PM (4df7R)
372
357 It all depends on what kind of "deal" we are talking about. Anyone thinking Ted Cruz would swoop in and magically get 100% of what he wanted while crushing all liberals is sadly mistaken. That is not a knock on Ted Cruz, but just a reality for anyone.
Posted by: Duncan MacLeod,
The Art of the Deal.
Trump gets 80%, opponent gets 20%.
THAT'S how a businessman deals. He doesn't win by losing.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 02:46 PM (Yzubb)
Here's the thing. I don't want to deal with the Democrats because all that will be negotiated is the rate at which the nation goes full Socialist.
I want someone who will tell the Left your terms are "unconditional surrender" and then turn this ship around.
I mean intellectually, ask a leftist, "so okay, what of your agenda are YOU willing to give up on?"
Posted by: Duncan MacLeod,
The Art of the Deal.
Trump gets 80%, opponent gets 20%.
THAT'S how a businessman deals. He doesn't win by losing.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 02:46 PM (Yzubb)
Here's the thing. I don't want to deal with the Democrats because all that will be negotiated is the rate at which the nation goes full Socialist.
I want someone who will tell the Left your terms are "unconditional surrender" and then turn this ship around.
I mean intellectually, ask a leftist, "so okay, what of your agenda are YOU willing to give up on?"
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 02:48 PM (uhkms)
373
Dave, I'm at the wrong place for accuracy. W.'s tax cuts, the ones on the middle class, are here to stay. Losing the wars, losing control of the administrative state, and Obamacare can be chalked up to Obama's election and re-election. We can fix those last three things if an actual conservative president is elected.
Posted by: gts109 at January 26, 2016 02:48 PM (KIvt1)
374
I've said it before the Republicans of today are LBJ Democrats.
We have verifiable proof that Head Start doesn't work? Is there any proposal to abolish it?
We have verifiable proof that Medicaid doesn't work. Is there any proposal to abolish it?
EPA just caused the worse environmental disaster in 30 years? Is there any proposal to abolish it? At least fire one person responsible?
Education achievement is the same or worse than 40 years ago. Is there any proposal to get rid of the DoE?
We have verifiable proof that Head Start doesn't work? Is there any proposal to abolish it?
We have verifiable proof that Medicaid doesn't work. Is there any proposal to abolish it?
EPA just caused the worse environmental disaster in 30 years? Is there any proposal to abolish it? At least fire one person responsible?
Education achievement is the same or worse than 40 years ago. Is there any proposal to get rid of the DoE?
Posted by: Make America Great Again at January 26, 2016 02:49 PM (LXJ1e)
375
Now back to work.
Now back to work.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 02:49 PM (uhkms)
376
The W. tax cuts were NOT rescinded. Only some of them were, on "the rich". The rest were preserved.
The tax cuts of Bush 43 still left rates higher than the tax increases of Bush 41. Never understood why his was considered a conservative triumph.
The tax cuts of Bush 43 still left rates higher than the tax increases of Bush 41. Never understood why his was considered a conservative triumph.
Posted by: V the K at January 26, 2016 02:49 PM (O7MnT)
377
Well, if you're talking about S.Weasel's Celebrity Dead Pool, Howard Devore won with his pick of Abe Vigoda, after a scant four days of the new round.
Posted by: RushBabe at January 26, 2016 02:49 PM (/NEnw)
378
It's not just that a Democrat is leading in the Republican primary polls; it's that in the last election we ran a candidate who would have a better nominee for the Democrats -- and hailed him (Mittens) as a 'conservative'.
Posted by: Jean at January 26, 2016 02:49 PM (cXiMR)
379
364 The W. tax cuts were NOT rescinded. Only some of them were, on "the rich". The rest were preserved.
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 02:47 PM (lVU49)
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The vast majority of tax cuts were on the rich to begin with. The meager tax cuts for the middle and upper middle class were offset by Obamacare taxes.
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 02:47 PM (lVU49)
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The vast majority of tax cuts were on the rich to begin with. The meager tax cuts for the middle and upper middle class were offset by Obamacare taxes.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 02:49 PM (0LHZx)
380
If Trump is the nominee, I will very seriously consider voting Libertarian.
Posted by: V the K at January 26, 2016 02:46 PM (O7MnT)
I am pretty much there already.
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 02:47 PM (lVU49)
Oh look all the democrats are chiming in
Posted by: V the K at January 26, 2016 02:46 PM (O7MnT)
I am pretty much there already.
Posted by: chemjeff at January 26, 2016 02:47 PM (lVU49)
Oh look all the democrats are chiming in
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 02:49 PM (kzdjp)
381
Anyone who makes a living doing politics, i.e. basically acting like a parasite and not actually producing anything, should really stop biting the hand that feeds him. Best to look to your source of income and cultivate that. Else he will find himself out on his ass with no way to put food on the table.
Unless he is a Senator, in which case he votes himself a hefty income for life and retires in glory. Bastards.
Unless he is a Senator, in which case he votes himself a hefty income for life and retires in glory. Bastards.
Posted by: tcn in AK at January 26, 2016 02:49 PM (+YMhA)
382
Tailor made for illegal aliens.
And cultures where you have multiple wives and generations living in a single residence area. Hint, hint.
And cultures where you have multiple wives and generations living in a single residence area. Hint, hint.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 02:49 PM (39g3+)
383
350 Olivia DeHavilland is 99, her 100th birthday is in July. She's really 99.5.
She may be next.
Other ladies on deck:
--June Foray (Rocky Squirrel and a host of voices)
--Betty White (no explanation needed)
--Vera Lynn ("We'll meet again...")
She may be next.
Other ladies on deck:
--June Foray (Rocky Squirrel and a host of voices)
--Betty White (no explanation needed)
--Vera Lynn ("We'll meet again...")
Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 26, 2016 02:49 PM (GsebS)
384
Is there any proposal to get rid of the DoE?
Posted by: Make America Great Again at January 26, 2016 02:49 PM (LXJ1e)
Last I heard was one from Ronald Reagan, and his own party stabbed him in the back.
And where does Mr. Trump stand on this issue?
Posted by: Make America Great Again at January 26, 2016 02:49 PM (LXJ1e)
Last I heard was one from Ronald Reagan, and his own party stabbed him in the back.
And where does Mr. Trump stand on this issue?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 02:50 PM (uhkms)
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THAT'S how a businessman deals.
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If only we were electing someone to be the executive of a business.
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If only we were electing someone to be the executive of a business.
Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 02:50 PM (gmeXX)
386
My county has twice now rejected a sales tax increase for schools. What was funny was that the first time, the tax backers were so obnoxious that not only didn't the increase pass, but one of the existing levies wasn't renewed, so they end up with less than nothing for calling us ignorant hicks.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at January 26, 2016 02:50 PM (evdj2)
387
I had Error 500 on here. Has it happened to others?
Happens occasionally. Posted by: rickb223 500 errors are caused by one of the hamsters bursting into flames.
Happens occasionally. Posted by: rickb223 500 errors are caused by one of the hamsters bursting into flames.
Posted by: Tilikum Cruel Assault Whale at January 26, 2016 02:50 PM (+aCe4)
388
The tax cuts of Bush 43 still left rates higher than the tax increases of Bush 41. Never understood why his was considered a conservative triumph.
Posted by: V the K at January 26, 2016 02:49 PM (O7MnT)
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Because it's how we've been programmed to think. Dems win 75-25, we're happy they didn't win 100-0.
Posted by: V the K at January 26, 2016 02:49 PM (O7MnT)
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Because it's how we've been programmed to think. Dems win 75-25, we're happy they didn't win 100-0.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 02:50 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Hashtags You'll Never See at January 26, 2016 02:50 PM (fbovC)
390
All I know is I would have paid less in taxes under Bush than now. I would love to go back to those rates.
Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 02:51 PM (gmeXX)
391
January 26th, 2016, the day the Vigoda died. I'll remember it like my parents remember Kennedy...
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 26, 2016 02:51 PM (2cS/G)
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386 My county has twice now rejected a sales tax increase for schools. What was funny was that the first time, the tax backers were so obnoxious that not only didn't the increase pass, but one of the existing levies wasn't renewed, so they end up with less than nothing for calling us ignorant hicks.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at January 26, 2016 02:50 PM (evdj2)
_____
Can we borrow some of your voters for my county?
Posted by: Grump928(c) at January 26, 2016 02:50 PM (evdj2)
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Can we borrow some of your voters for my county?
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 02:51 PM (0LHZx)
393
I want see brain spatter and mangled head parts from all the congressional and party leader heads exploding if Trump wins the presidency.
Posted by: Soona at January 26, 2016 02:52 PM (Fmupd)
394
The Art of the Deal.
Trump gets 80%, opponent gets 20%.
THAT'S how a businessman deals. He doesn't win by losing.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 02:46 PM (Yzubb)
Maybe and maybe not but you can be sure if Trump does get 80% of what he wants that most of what HE wants is not what conservatives want (see Trump's history with eminent domain and Bush's/Obama's sweetheart deals for Goldman Sachs and GM/Chevy for examples)
Trump gets 80%, opponent gets 20%.
THAT'S how a businessman deals. He doesn't win by losing.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 02:46 PM (Yzubb)
Maybe and maybe not but you can be sure if Trump does get 80% of what he wants that most of what HE wants is not what conservatives want (see Trump's history with eminent domain and Bush's/Obama's sweetheart deals for Goldman Sachs and GM/Chevy for examples)
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 02:52 PM (OrI3J)
395
Trump is a lot of things but he's no conservative. He's a businessman and an opportunist. He has shrewdly tapped into the rage of the average American and is exploiting it all the way to the nomination.
What he will do if actually elected is very much in doubt, no matter what he says now.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 02:44 PM (uhkms)
Exactly! For all we know he could go back to the Democratic Party. Imagine the Republicans losing Congress in 2018. Why wouldnt he go back to his old party and his old positions? Can anyone seriously argue that this is impossible with a President Trump?
What he will do if actually elected is very much in doubt, no matter what he says now.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 26, 2016 02:44 PM (uhkms)
Exactly! For all we know he could go back to the Democratic Party. Imagine the Republicans losing Congress in 2018. Why wouldnt he go back to his old party and his old positions? Can anyone seriously argue that this is impossible with a President Trump?
Posted by: Begonia at January 26, 2016 02:52 PM (tAngI)
396
You know, something I wonder about Trump. If he is faking his positions. He lives in another world from his supporters. Literally in an ivory tower. He sleeps with beautiful women, lives wherever he wants, has all the money he will ever need. So how is he so much more in tune with the base? He should be as fully insulated from the unwashed as any of the GOPe, and yet seems to know more about conservative angst than any of the candidates save Cruz. It is possible he is genuine in his feelings and positions. But, he is still an asshole.
Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at January 26, 2016 02:52 PM (xWW96)
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Tilikum Cruel Assault Whale at January 26, 2016 02:50 PM (+aCe4)
Thank you. I don't usually have that unless I'm using Mac & Safari browser.
Thank you. I don't usually have that unless I'm using Mac & Safari browser.
Posted by: Carol at January 26, 2016 02:52 PM (sj3Ax)
398
THAT'S how a businessman deals. He doesn't win by losing.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 02:46 PM (Yzubb)
Wow, you and Phil Simms should cover the Iowa returns
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 02:46 PM (Yzubb)
Wow, you and Phil Simms should cover the Iowa returns
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 02:52 PM (xuouz)
Posted by: Grump928(c) moonlighting in Calcutta at January 26, 2016 02:52 PM (evdj2)
400
389 Muslims defecating in public swimming pools to be banned?
#I'llSwimWithYou
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPxiXGr9nFM
#I'llSwimWithYou
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPxiXGr9nFM
Posted by: SMFH at January 26, 2016 02:53 PM (TKKli)
401
Well, they're not wrong. I don't think "intellectuals" are the party's saviors. You will always have a mix. But I'm tired of evangelicals throwing their weight around and reliably providing wackadoodle fodder for the media. What we're witnessing with Trump is basically the right's version of hopenchange with some white supremacism thrown in. So my disdain for the American electorate has broadened to include much of the right, too. Where's the Misanthrope Party.
Posted by: evergreen at January 26, 2016 02:53 PM (4WHvI)
402
My county has twice now rejected a sales tax increase for schools. What was funny was that the first time, the tax backers were so obnoxious that not only didn't the increase pass, but one of the existing levies wasn't renewed, so they end up with less than nothing for calling us ignorant hicks.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at January 26, 2016 02:50 PM (evdj2)
We went to war against our county supervisors when they wanted a meal tax. We won. They jacked up the car registration fees and court fees for expired inspection stickers.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at January 26, 2016 02:50 PM (evdj2)
We went to war against our county supervisors when they wanted a meal tax. We won. They jacked up the car registration fees and court fees for expired inspection stickers.
Posted by: RushBabe at January 26, 2016 02:53 PM (/NEnw)
403
But even if federal income tax rates are lower today, it's only a small part of the picture. Anyone here paying less property tax today than 10 years ago? How about sales tax? How about FICA tax (the cap on SS increases every year by more than inflation)?
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 02:53 PM (0LHZx)
404
500 errors are caused by one of the hamsters bursting into flames.
Posted by: Tilikum Cruel Assault Whale
Mmmmmmm. Lunch!
Posted by: Tilikum Cruel Assault Whale
Mmmmmmm. Lunch!
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 02:53 PM (Yzubb)
405
Did he really die or are you just jerking our chain?
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 02:18 PM (OrI3J)
It's real.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/haqayvm
The real-time Abe Vigoda status page has been updated accordingly:
http://www.abevigoda.com
Loading kinda slow right now, though.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 02:18 PM (OrI3J)
It's real.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/haqayvm
The real-time Abe Vigoda status page has been updated accordingly:
http://www.abevigoda.com
Loading kinda slow right now, though.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at January 26, 2016 02:54 PM (jV8Mq)
406
394: "...if Trump does get 80% of what he wants that most of what HE wants is not what conservatives want..."
If I get only 1% of what I want, it will be more than the Republican Party has gotten me in over 30 years.
If I get only 1% of what I want, it will be more than the Republican Party has gotten me in over 30 years.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at January 26, 2016 02:54 PM (4nmNX)
407
Thank you. I don't usually have that unless I'm using Mac Safari browser.-------Carol
Mac hamster quality has slipped.
Thank you. I don't usually have that unless I'm using Mac Safari browser.-------Carol
Mac hamster quality has slipped.
Posted by: Tilikum Cruel Assault Whale at January 26, 2016 02:54 PM (+aCe4)
408
Whoops, didn't realize I hadn't refreshed in a while.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at January 26, 2016 02:54 PM (jV8Mq)
409
341 I had Error 500 on here. Has it happened to others?
Posted by: Carol at January 26, 2016 02:42 PM (sj3Ax)
Certain ascii characters > 128 in your text will cause that to happen. You usually experience it when you cut and paste from some other source. There are "special versions" of the apostrophe, quotation marks and dashes that have > 128 ascii values that are the usual culprits, I've found.
Posted by: Carol at January 26, 2016 02:42 PM (sj3Ax)
Certain ascii characters > 128 in your text will cause that to happen. You usually experience it when you cut and paste from some other source. There are "special versions" of the apostrophe, quotation marks and dashes that have > 128 ascii values that are the usual culprits, I've found.
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 26, 2016 02:54 PM (zgHEY)
410
lol Trump haters
"The base has no idea what they're voting for! They just whip up any old pie in the sky conservative argument and assume Trump will do it, based on their own wishcasting."
5 minutes later
"You know, something I wonder about Trump. If he is faking his positions. He's said liberal things before! In reality, he's just lying to get Hillary elected. Or do her bidding if HE'S elected! I assume. Based on my own wishcasting"
"The base has no idea what they're voting for! They just whip up any old pie in the sky conservative argument and assume Trump will do it, based on their own wishcasting."
5 minutes later
"You know, something I wonder about Trump. If he is faking his positions. He's said liberal things before! In reality, he's just lying to get Hillary elected. Or do her bidding if HE'S elected! I assume. Based on my own wishcasting"
Posted by: Ghost of kari - WAR at January 26, 2016 02:54 PM (xuouz)
411
I often find, that as a trial lawyer, the best means of convincing jurors to vote for me is to call them stupid.
Of course your mileage may vary if you are a GOP consultant or think tanker. That is because you get paid based upon your image, rather than your results. In the real world, losers get fired andfailures get shit canned. Show me your last victory John Podhoretz. Show me you last victory Matt Lewis.
I'll wait right here . . . not holding my breath.
I often find, that as a trial lawyer, the best means of convincing jurors to vote for me is to call them stupid.
Of course your mileage may vary if you are a GOP consultant or think tanker. That is because you get paid based upon your image, rather than your results. In the real world, losers get fired andfailures get shit canned. Show me your last victory John Podhoretz. Show me you last victory Matt Lewis.
I'll wait right here . . . not holding my breath.
Posted by: simplemind at January 26, 2016 02:54 PM (JTwsP)
412
500 error is due to cut and pasting some text that Pixy doesn't like. Characters ' " - are usual suspects.
#Fixed
#Fixed
Posted by: Hashtags You'll Never See at January 26, 2016 02:55 PM (fbovC)
413
I really resent being called a "Dem troll" just because I haven't decided whether I can support Trump if he's nominated.
Unlike Trump, if I were accused of being a conservative &/or a Republican, there's plenty of evidence to convict ME.
Unlike Trump, if I were accused of being a conservative &/or a Republican, there's plenty of evidence to convict ME.
Posted by: mnw (fair and ballast) at January 26, 2016 02:55 PM (KklUr)
414
Police officers flee angry mob in Swedish refugee center after reports of child rape
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 26, 2016 02:55 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at January 26, 2016 02:55 PM (4nmNX)
416
If Trump is the nominee, I will very seriously consider voting Libertarian.
Since weed is already or is effectively legal everywhere, are the Libertarians even running anyone this year?
Here's the thing. I don't want to deal with the Democrats because all that will be negotiated is the rate at which the nation goes full Socialist.
Well, that's just it. If the deal is how far off the cliff we're jumping, no percentage amount is a win. We've already gone way too far toward socialism; 0% is the minimum acceptable amount of Democratic Party victory at this point.
Since weed is already or is effectively legal everywhere, are the Libertarians even running anyone this year?
Here's the thing. I don't want to deal with the Democrats because all that will be negotiated is the rate at which the nation goes full Socialist.
Well, that's just it. If the deal is how far off the cliff we're jumping, no percentage amount is a win. We've already gone way too far toward socialism; 0% is the minimum acceptable amount of Democratic Party victory at this point.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 02:55 PM (39g3+)
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Posted by: Make America Great Again at January 26, 2016 02:49 PM (LXJ1e)
Hell... there is a new Mosquito born virus killing new born infants...
Its about to reach America...
Yet, the unscientific ban on DDT remains in place...
Hell... there is a new Mosquito born virus killing new born infants...
Its about to reach America...
Yet, the unscientific ban on DDT remains in place...
Posted by: Don Quixote at January 26, 2016 02:55 PM (f7rv6)
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THAT'S how a businessman deals.
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If only we were electing someone to be the executive of a business.
When you are $19 Trillion in the hole, you'd better start.
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If only we were electing someone to be the executive of a business.
When you are $19 Trillion in the hole, you'd better start.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 02:55 PM (Yzubb)
Posted by: Carol at January 26, 2016 02:55 PM (sj3Ax)
420
Thank you. I don't usually have that unless I'm using Mac Safari browser.-------Carol
Mac hamster quality has slipped.
Posted by: Tilikum Cruel Assault Whale at January 26, 2016 02:54 PM (+aCe4)
I use Safari and only get errors on the version I can't upgrade. On my other Mac it works great
Mac hamster quality has slipped.
Posted by: Tilikum Cruel Assault Whale at January 26, 2016 02:54 PM (+aCe4)
I use Safari and only get errors on the version I can't upgrade. On my other Mac it works great
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 02:55 PM (kzdjp)
421
How about FICA tax (the cap on SS increases every year by more than inflation)?
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What a great way for Congress to deflect responsibility. Pass a tax that automatically increases without any effort on behalf of Congress.
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What a great way for Congress to deflect responsibility. Pass a tax that automatically increases without any effort on behalf of Congress.
Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 02:56 PM (gmeXX)
422
360 If Trump is the nominee, I will very seriously consider voting Libertarian.
I'm planning to do that regardless. None of this matters anyway. The culture was rotted away from the inside out over the last 150 years starting with the importation of German philosophy and theology--and the ineffective anti-intellectual fundamentalist response to it.
He's right about American Christianity. It's all either modernist (and now post-modernist) garbage or extremely stripped down (to the point of absurdity) fundamentalist evangelicalism.
I'm planning to do that regardless. None of this matters anyway. The culture was rotted away from the inside out over the last 150 years starting with the importation of German philosophy and theology--and the ineffective anti-intellectual fundamentalist response to it.
He's right about American Christianity. It's all either modernist (and now post-modernist) garbage or extremely stripped down (to the point of absurdity) fundamentalist evangelicalism.
Posted by: rfichoke at January 26, 2016 02:56 PM (xZEwe)
423
Mmmmmmm. Lunch!------rickb223
Please wait until the you are out of sight of the other hamsters. The immolation alone unerves them terribly.
Mmmmmmm. Lunch!------rickb223
Please wait until the you are out of sight of the other hamsters. The immolation alone unerves them terribly.
Posted by: Tilikum Cruel Assault Whale at January 26, 2016 02:56 PM (+aCe4)
424
I will gladly vote for Trump or Cruz in the general.
Posted by: Soona at January 26, 2016 02:57 PM (Fmupd)
425
I really resent being called a "Dem troll" just because I haven't decided whether I can support Trump if he's nominated.
Unlike Trump, if I were accused of being a conservative &/or a Republican, there's plenty of evidence to convict ME.
Posted by: mnw (fair and ballast) at January 26, 2016 02:55 PM (KklUr)
And so says the RINO establishment who made Trump sign a "Loyalty" pledge..LMAO
Unlike Trump, if I were accused of being a conservative &/or a Republican, there's plenty of evidence to convict ME.
Posted by: mnw (fair and ballast) at January 26, 2016 02:55 PM (KklUr)
And so says the RINO establishment who made Trump sign a "Loyalty" pledge..LMAO
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 02:57 PM (kzdjp)
Posted by: Grump928(c) moonlighting in Calcutta at January 26, 2016 02:57 PM (evdj2)
427
In animal house, when they decided to ruin the parade.
They built a float. It was a nice cake with candles on it.
On the side of the cake it said . . . "eat me".
Then the cake broke open and the death mobile came out.
No body knows what's in the Trump parade float. Trump votes, don't even care. They JUST. WANT. TO. RUIN. THE. PARADE.
In animal house, when they decided to ruin the parade.
They built a float. It was a nice cake with candles on it.
On the side of the cake it said . . . "eat me".
Then the cake broke open and the death mobile came out.
No body knows what's in the Trump parade float. Trump votes, don't even care. They JUST. WANT. TO. RUIN. THE. PARADE.
Posted by: simplemind at January 26, 2016 02:57 PM (JTwsP)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 26, 2016 02:58 PM (FkBIv)
429
Calling your own base a bunch of stupid hicks is not good strategy (not to mention petty and rude)
The funniest part is the retarded weekly standard piece that thinks that the Vichy GOP is called "the stupid party" because of the base. LOL. How stupid can you get?
I get the feeling that Henry Olsen is a pseudonym for Amy Schumer.
The funniest part is the retarded weekly standard piece that thinks that the Vichy GOP is called "the stupid party" because of the base. LOL. How stupid can you get?
I get the feeling that Henry Olsen is a pseudonym for Amy Schumer.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 26, 2016 02:58 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: Carol at January 26, 2016 02:58 PM (sj3Ax)
431
Republicans haven't done shit for the past 20 years. What's the worst that will happen with Trump? He'll also do shit. At least Trump *might* do some of what he says. But we all know for sure the GOPe will do 0% of what they say, since they have been lying to us for 20 years.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 02:58 PM (0LHZx)
432
THAT'S how a businessman deals.
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If only we were electing someone to be the executive of a business.
When you are $19 Trillion in the hole, you'd better start.
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We aren't 19 trillion in the hole because people don't understand business. If the government were a business it would not exist. The fact that it continues to exist shows that the government is nothing like a business. Electing a business man is not going to change that.
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If only we were electing someone to be the executive of a business.
When you are $19 Trillion in the hole, you'd better start.
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We aren't 19 trillion in the hole because people don't understand business. If the government were a business it would not exist. The fact that it continues to exist shows that the government is nothing like a business. Electing a business man is not going to change that.
Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 02:58 PM (gmeXX)
433
What he will do if actually elected is very much in doubt, no matter what he says now.
Which can be said for juuuuust about everyone in hte Stupid Party.
This is one of our problems. Trump isn't nearly the worst thing on stage, and he should be.
Which can be said for juuuuust about everyone in hte Stupid Party.
This is one of our problems. Trump isn't nearly the worst thing on stage, and he should be.
Posted by: Dan D. Lyin at January 26, 2016 02:58 PM (326rv)
434
THAT'S how a businessman deals. He doesn't win by losing
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haven't sussed out all the details, nor whether I consider it good or not, but this is one end of a means by which I'm comparing Cruz to Trump.
Cruz is a debater and can't turn that off, by common report. Which means he hasn't any, for lack of better term, principle for negotiations.
Trump has his principle for that embodied within his art of the deal.
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haven't sussed out all the details, nor whether I consider it good or not, but this is one end of a means by which I'm comparing Cruz to Trump.
Cruz is a debater and can't turn that off, by common report. Which means he hasn't any, for lack of better term, principle for negotiations.
Trump has his principle for that embodied within his art of the deal.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at January 26, 2016 02:58 PM (Cq0oW)
435
413: "I really resent being called a "Dem troll" just because I haven't decided whether I can support Trump if he's nominated."
How would you feel about those who can't vote for Rubio or Bush if they win the nomination?
How would you feel about those who can't vote for Rubio or Bush if they win the nomination?
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at January 26, 2016 02:58 PM (4nmNX)
436
428 Salon says Republicans are dying to call Obama the N-word.
http://tinyurl.com/hhcok4n
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 26, 2016 02:58 PM (FkBIv)
____
Nihilist
http://tinyurl.com/hhcok4n
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 26, 2016 02:58 PM (FkBIv)
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Nihilist
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 02:58 PM (0LHZx)
437
I really resent being called a "Dem troll" just because I haven't decided whether I can support Trump if he's nominated.
Unlike Trump, if I were accused of being a conservative /or a Republican, there's plenty of evidence to convict ME.
Posted by: mnw (fair and ballast) at January 26, 2016 02:55 PM (KklUr)
The same words were used in 2012 against anyone who said they wouldn't vote for Romney.
I really resent being called a "Dem troll" just because I haven't decided whether I can support Trump if he's nominated.
Unlike Trump, if I were accused of being a conservative /or a Republican, there's plenty of evidence to convict ME.
Posted by: mnw (fair and ballast) at January 26, 2016 02:55 PM (KklUr)
The same words were used in 2012 against anyone who said they wouldn't vote for Romney.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 02:59 PM (OrI3J)
438
I'll worry about supporting Trump if Cruz doesn't win. Until then, I see no need to churn butter.
Posted by: Grump928(c) moonlighting in Calcutta at January 26, 2016 02:59 PM (evdj2)
439
I don't think the Error 500 was the usual hamster malarkey with ASCII characters. It popped up for me when I was just refreshing the page, not while trying to post a comment. Whatever it was it appears to have cleared up quickly.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at January 26, 2016 02:59 PM (4df7R)
440
Nattering Nabob?
Posted by: Grump928(c) moonlighting in Calcutta at January 26, 2016 02:59 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 02:59 PM (Yzubb)
442
In my 45 years of voting I have voted for 2 democrats. Jimmy Carter (1976 think I was high), and Ralph Hall (who is now a republican). Every other vote went to 'republicans'. Of those 'republicans' it seems only a few I sent to Washington City were real conservatives. Ronald Reagan, Ted Cruz, and Louie Gohmert. So I guess I mights be a iota of stupid.
Posted by: Eromero at January 26, 2016 02:59 PM (b+df9)
443
It is possible he is genuine in his feelings and positions. But, he is still an asshole.
At this point we need one. The last thing we need is a nice guy who wants to get along, and that "I'll negotiate" line was - I know it was an "I'm better than Cruz" throwaway - completely wrong for his support and momentum. In fact, he and his spokesmen have been making a lot of statements lately that are just either stupid or tone deaf.
At this point we need one. The last thing we need is a nice guy who wants to get along, and that "I'll negotiate" line was - I know it was an "I'm better than Cruz" throwaway - completely wrong for his support and momentum. In fact, he and his spokesmen have been making a lot of statements lately that are just either stupid or tone deaf.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 02:59 PM (39g3+)
444
In animal house, when they decided to ruin the parade.
They built a float. It was a nice cake with candles on it.
On the side of the cake it said . . . "eat me".
Then the cake broke open and the death mobile came out.
No body knows what's in the Trump parade float. Trump votes, don't even care. They JUST. WANT. TO. RUIN. THE. PARADE.
Posted by: simplemind
Would it be asking too much to see Mitch the Bitch run over? Just once?
They built a float. It was a nice cake with candles on it.
On the side of the cake it said . . . "eat me".
Then the cake broke open and the death mobile came out.
No body knows what's in the Trump parade float. Trump votes, don't even care. They JUST. WANT. TO. RUIN. THE. PARADE.
Posted by: simplemind
Would it be asking too much to see Mitch the Bitch run over? Just once?
Posted by: Dan D. Lyin at January 26, 2016 02:59 PM (326rv)
445
If Jeb is the nominee you must vote Jeb, you know cuz party unity. But if Trump is the nominee, it is imperative that you save the party by voting for Hillary.
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 03:00 PM (0LHZx)
446
Obama > President Nincompoop.
Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at January 26, 2016 03:00 PM (xWW96)
447
But, he is still an asshole.
Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at January 26, 2016 02:52 PM (xWW96)
I am willing to vote for an Angry PRO AMERICAN asshole, over the current crop of idiots in Washington that puts the wants and desires of NON AMERICANS first.
That the Trans Pacific Trade Pact, which is MUCH more than a trade pact, is even being considered.... tells me all I need to know about Washington.
Posted by: maddogg, now certified infrequently vile at January 26, 2016 02:52 PM (xWW96)
I am willing to vote for an Angry PRO AMERICAN asshole, over the current crop of idiots in Washington that puts the wants and desires of NON AMERICANS first.
That the Trans Pacific Trade Pact, which is MUCH more than a trade pact, is even being considered.... tells me all I need to know about Washington.
Posted by: Don Quixote at January 26, 2016 03:00 PM (f7rv6)
448
Cruz is a debater and can't turn that off, by common report. Which means he hasn't any, for lack of better term, principle for negotiations.
Trump has his principle for that embodied within his art of the deal.
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For government negotiations, all you have is principles. If you don't have principles of ideology you are going to lose.
Trump has his principle for that embodied within his art of the deal.
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For government negotiations, all you have is principles. If you don't have principles of ideology you are going to lose.
Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 03:00 PM (gmeXX)
449
Barry is definitely a nagger.
Posted by: Grump928(c) moonlighting in Calcutta at January 26, 2016 03:01 PM (evdj2)
450
428 Salon says Republicans are dying to call Obama the N-word.
http://tinyurl.com/hhcok4n
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 26, 2016 02:58 PM (FkBIv)
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Nihilist
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 02:58 PM (0LHZx)
Nincompoop?
http://tinyurl.com/hhcok4n
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 26, 2016 02:58 PM (FkBIv)
____
Nihilist
Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at January 26, 2016 02:58 PM (0LHZx)
Nincompoop?
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 03:01 PM (OrI3J)
451
I know the world is about to end since I have agreed with a few things Moo Moo has said the last 2 days!
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 26, 2016 03:01 PM (kzdjp)
452
They JUST. WANT. TO. RUIN. THE. PARADE.
Posted by: simplemind
Some men just want to watch the world burn.
Posted by: simplemind
Some men just want to watch the world burn.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 26, 2016 03:01 PM (FkBIv)
453
snow in Israel
Posted by: ThunderB at January 26, 2016 03:02 PM (zOTsN)
454
The "conservative" pundit and donor class that speak for us always reveal their massive ignorance of our history when they start talking about evangelicals. They should really read Locke and Blackburn to understand the great Christian influence on the founders. They would be very upset to realize that Hamilton, Madison and Jay were "born again" and that 2 of them were ordained ministers. But that does not fit version of history that they want to reconstruct.
Posted by: rich at January 26, 2016 03:02 PM (BcWH9)
455
Local radio station just announced Abe Vigoda died.
He was 94, I think they said.
He was 94, I think they said.
Posted by: jwb7605 at January 26, 2016 03:02 PM (DofIg)
456
No body knows what's in the Trump parade float. Trump votes, don't even care. They JUST. WANT. TO. RUIN. THE. PARADE.
Yeah, a stupid pointless gesture is all we have left, and we're the ones to do it.
Yeah, a stupid pointless gesture is all we have left, and we're the ones to do it.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 03:02 PM (39g3+)
457
Barney Miller and ChiPS were the first cop shows I remember watching. I wish it were Fish and CHiPS, but I didn't stay up late enough to watch Fish.
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 26, 2016 03:02 PM (2cS/G)
458
Cut the cake.
Posted by: Grump928(c) moonlighting in Calcutta at January 26, 2016 03:02 PM (evdj2)
459
437
I really resent being called a "Dem troll" just because I haven't decided whether I can support Trump if he's nominated.
Unlike Trump, if I were accused of being a conservative /or a Republican, there's plenty of evidence to convict ME.
Posted by: mnw (fair and ballast) at January 26, 2016 02:55 PM (KklUr)
The same words were used in 2012 against anyone who said they wouldn't vote for Romney.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 02:59 PM (OrI3J)
Yup.... and I was called a traitor for not whole heartedly supporting Juan McLame...
I really resent being called a "Dem troll" just because I haven't decided whether I can support Trump if he's nominated.
Unlike Trump, if I were accused of being a conservative /or a Republican, there's plenty of evidence to convict ME.
Posted by: mnw (fair and ballast) at January 26, 2016 02:55 PM (KklUr)
The same words were used in 2012 against anyone who said they wouldn't vote for Romney.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 02:59 PM (OrI3J)
Yup.... and I was called a traitor for not whole heartedly supporting Juan McLame...
Posted by: Don Quixote at January 26, 2016 03:02 PM (f7rv6)
460
Matt Lewis is the ROTC guy standing in front of the crowd waiving his arms:
" Remain Calm. All is Well" and then gets trampled into the concrete, flat as a board.
Matt Lewis is the ROTC guy standing in front of the crowd waiving his arms:
" Remain Calm. All is Well" and then gets trampled into the concrete, flat as a board.
Posted by: simplemind at January 26, 2016 03:02 PM (JTwsP)
461
Nood.
Posted by: HH at January 26, 2016 03:03 PM (DrCtv)
462
>> The vast majority of tax cuts were on the rich to begin
>> with. The meager tax cuts for the middle and upper middle
>> class were offset by Obamacare taxes.
The only real tax cut the middle class has seen in a long time was the Bush cap-gains rates - and don't tell me that's not 'middle class', it's significant for every small investor, retiree, every SiliValley cubicle drone with stock options, etc.
There's a decent populist argument to be made for limiting the lowest rate to the first $300K or $500K, but there's no question that it HAS been vastly important to the middle class.
>> with. The meager tax cuts for the middle and upper middle
>> class were offset by Obamacare taxes.
The only real tax cut the middle class has seen in a long time was the Bush cap-gains rates - and don't tell me that's not 'middle class', it's significant for every small investor, retiree, every SiliValley cubicle drone with stock options, etc.
There's a decent populist argument to be made for limiting the lowest rate to the first $300K or $500K, but there's no question that it HAS been vastly important to the middle class.
Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2016 03:03 PM (o+SC1)
463
I'll worry about supporting Trump if Cruz doesn't win. Until then, I see no need to churn butter.
Posted by: Grump928(c) moonlighting in Calcutta at January 26, 2016 02:59 PM (evdj2)
This. + I will be working to make sure Cruz wins by volunteering.
I'll worry about supporting Trump if Cruz doesn't win. Until then, I see no need to churn butter.
Posted by: Grump928(c) moonlighting in Calcutta at January 26, 2016 02:59 PM (evdj2)
This. + I will be working to make sure Cruz wins by volunteering.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 03:03 PM (OrI3J)
464
If I get only 1% of what I want, it will be more than the Republican Party has gotten me in over 30 years.
Wait... wait... hold on...
Are you saying you didn't want Megabanks to be able to gamble in derivatives with taxpayer money? You didn't want big oil companies to be allowed to export oil in return for full funding of Obama's priorities? You didn't want the Republicans to send an Obamacare Repeal bill to be vetoed by Obama two weeks after Obamacare was fully-funded by a Republican budget?
You're a picky son-of-a-bitch, aren't you?
Wait... wait... hold on...
Are you saying you didn't want Megabanks to be able to gamble in derivatives with taxpayer money? You didn't want big oil companies to be allowed to export oil in return for full funding of Obama's priorities? You didn't want the Republicans to send an Obamacare Repeal bill to be vetoed by Obama two weeks after Obamacare was fully-funded by a Republican budget?
You're a picky son-of-a-bitch, aren't you?
Posted by: V the K at January 26, 2016 03:03 PM (O7MnT)
465
MWR,
I was reloading page too.
I can't comment from my Mac or I always have Error 500, if I use any punctuation.
I was reloading page too.
I can't comment from my Mac or I always have Error 500, if I use any punctuation.
Posted by: Carol at January 26, 2016 03:04 PM (sj3Ax)
466
Salon says Republicans are dying to call Obama the N-word.
Salon has been reduced to trolling the internet. They used to not be completely awful. Just mostly. Now they're like a retard screaming for attention.
Salon has been reduced to trolling the internet. They used to not be completely awful. Just mostly. Now they're like a retard screaming for attention.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 03:04 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 26, 2016 03:04 PM (Yzubb)
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at January 26, 2016 03:05 PM (4nmNX)
469
I had heard that Abe had gone into a hospice. At that age they with hold water and they die within days. I would prefer to have an IV ensuring a good route for pain killers myself.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 26, 2016 03:05 PM (iQIUe)
470
I really resent being called a "Dem troll" just because I haven't decided whether I can support Trump if he's nominated.
Are you saying a Trump supporter resorted to insults and name-calling? Gee, where did they get the idea *that* was okay?
Are you saying a Trump supporter resorted to insults and name-calling? Gee, where did they get the idea *that* was okay?
Posted by: V the K at January 26, 2016 03:05 PM (O7MnT)
Posted by: Tilikum Cruel Assault Whale at January 26, 2016 03:05 PM (m3iiU)
472
Well, we'll soon start finding out how this is going to end. Can't wait until the actual voting. This has been a fun and interesting election season so far.
Posted by: Soona at January 26, 2016 03:06 PM (Fmupd)
473
Hey while we are on a extended animal house riff, where's neidermeier's dead horse anyway?
Hey while we are on a extended animal house riff, where's neidermeier's dead horse anyway?
Posted by: simplemind at January 26, 2016 03:06 PM (JTwsP)
474
First David Bowie, then Jeff Goldblum now Abe Vigoda,. Tough week.
Posted by: Dr Spank at January 26, 2016 03:06 PM (kqD9B)
475
>> I am willing to vote for an Angry PRO AMERICAN asshole,
>> over the current crop of idiots in Washington that puts the
>> wants and desires of NON AMERICANS first.
I'll agree with that sentiment - it's kinda the Ho Chi Minh 'we'd rather eat French shit for twenty years than Chinese shit for a thousand' argument, or whatever, we'd rather be brutalized by our own - as soon as I'm convinced he believes what he says.
We had Schwarzenegger out here. He pissed in the pool big time when it comes to believing loudmouth crony-capitalists.
>> over the current crop of idiots in Washington that puts the
>> wants and desires of NON AMERICANS first.
I'll agree with that sentiment - it's kinda the Ho Chi Minh 'we'd rather eat French shit for twenty years than Chinese shit for a thousand' argument, or whatever, we'd rather be brutalized by our own - as soon as I'm convinced he believes what he says.
We had Schwarzenegger out here. He pissed in the pool big time when it comes to believing loudmouth crony-capitalists.
Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2016 03:08 PM (o+SC1)
476
So how is he so much more in tune with the base? He
should be as fully insulated from the unwashed as any of the GOPe, and
yet seems to know more about conservative angst than any of the
candidates save Cruz. It is possible he is genuine in his feelings and
positions. But, he is still an asshole.
Posted by: maddogg
See, this is it. People think of Trump as a stupid, loud-mouthed, a vulgarian , etc., etc. He was not serious; he was a stalking horse for Hillary!; he would lose interest. Yet, somewhere, somehow, he has gamed this out.
He has taken a pose and run with it. Is it natural, genuine, or contrived?
I don't know. Yet, he IS running, with large events and drawing big crowds. He knows he has tapped into something big, yet we really don't know how he would act as a President.
When people dismiss him as "stupid", etc., I really wonder if they are watching the same campaign as I am. Regarding of many of his statements, he always appears to be at least one or two steps ahead of the Media.
Not enthusiastic for Trump at all, yet I find the whole thing incredibly fascinating.
As with most things and people in popular politics, the real truth is going to be somewhat conflicting.
should be as fully insulated from the unwashed as any of the GOPe, and
yet seems to know more about conservative angst than any of the
candidates save Cruz. It is possible he is genuine in his feelings and
positions. But, he is still an asshole.
Posted by: maddogg
See, this is it. People think of Trump as a stupid, loud-mouthed, a vulgarian , etc., etc. He was not serious; he was a stalking horse for Hillary!; he would lose interest. Yet, somewhere, somehow, he has gamed this out.
He has taken a pose and run with it. Is it natural, genuine, or contrived?
I don't know. Yet, he IS running, with large events and drawing big crowds. He knows he has tapped into something big, yet we really don't know how he would act as a President.
When people dismiss him as "stupid", etc., I really wonder if they are watching the same campaign as I am. Regarding of many of his statements, he always appears to be at least one or two steps ahead of the Media.
Not enthusiastic for Trump at all, yet I find the whole thing incredibly fascinating.
As with most things and people in popular politics, the real truth is going to be somewhat conflicting.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative....dumbshit in America at January 26, 2016 03:08 PM (+1T7c)
477
Kirk Douglas is 99 and turns 100 on December 9, 2016.
He is one of those actors who will no longer be allowed to vote on the Academy Awards because he has not worked in films in over 10 years.
What a disgrace that a cinematic giant is excluded from voting because a puny little nobody like Jada Pinkett Smith whines too much.
He is one of those actors who will no longer be allowed to vote on the Academy Awards because he has not worked in films in over 10 years.
What a disgrace that a cinematic giant is excluded from voting because a puny little nobody like Jada Pinkett Smith whines too much.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 26, 2016 03:08 PM (YqcVw)
478
Gee, Abe was only a few weeks short of 95.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 26, 2016 03:09 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 26, 2016 03:09 PM (GsebS)
480
For government negotiations, all you have is principles. If you don't have principles of ideology you are going to lose.
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yet that's what I'm saying. he came by that differently but they exist.
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yet that's what I'm saying. he came by that differently but they exist.
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at January 26, 2016 03:09 PM (Cq0oW)
481
Some men just want to watch the world burn.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 26, 2016 03:01 PM (FkBIv)
To be fair, it is not as if the current political class on both sides doesn't need burning down.I understand the sentiment just not the vehicle.
This is the first year since I have been old enough to vote that I have an actual intellectually and instinctually conservative candidate to vote for. I am not going to waste that opportunity by voting for the guy who is more likely to set me on fire by making deals with both the Dems and the GOPe than he is to steer this country back to its roots.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 26, 2016 03:01 PM (FkBIv)
To be fair, it is not as if the current political class on both sides doesn't need burning down.I understand the sentiment just not the vehicle.
This is the first year since I have been old enough to vote that I have an actual intellectually and instinctually conservative candidate to vote for. I am not going to waste that opportunity by voting for the guy who is more likely to set me on fire by making deals with both the Dems and the GOPe than he is to steer this country back to its roots.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 03:11 PM (OrI3J)
482
>> First David Bowie, then Jeff Goldblum now Abe Vigoda,.
>> Tough week.
Jeff Goldblum?
Oh, and you missed Lemmy Kilminster and Alan Rickman.
>> Tough week.
Jeff Goldblum?
Oh, and you missed Lemmy Kilminster and Alan Rickman.
Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2016 03:11 PM (o+SC1)
483
We had Schwarzenegger out here. He pissed in the pool big time when it comes to believing loudmouth crony-capitalists.
Yeah and I see Trump as being the biggest crony ever. I see Arnold all over in the guy, and it bothers me when people act like he's some mega conservative because he makes noises about immigration.
Yeah and I see Trump as being the biggest crony ever. I see Arnold all over in the guy, and it bothers me when people act like he's some mega conservative because he makes noises about immigration.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 03:12 PM (39g3+)
484
then Jeff Goldblum/i]
When did that happen?
Posted by: Curmudgeon
Apparently he fell off a cliff or something.
When did that happen?
Posted by: Curmudgeon
Apparently he fell off a cliff or something.
Posted by: Dr Spank at January 26, 2016 03:13 PM (kqD9B)
485
I think the word "establishment" is useless. It's sloppy & means "someone I don't like." I'd prefer something more precise-- GOP Congressional leaders; RNC employees; WSJ editors;-- all OK. Then I know what you're talking about, at least.
That said, I literally don't understand the point being made in #425.
I've written a lot of checks, mostly to Tea Party types, & none to DEMs. Plus, I didn't sign any loyalty oath.
That said, I literally don't understand the point being made in #425.
I've written a lot of checks, mostly to Tea Party types, & none to DEMs. Plus, I didn't sign any loyalty oath.
Posted by: mnw (fair and ballast) at January 26, 2016 03:14 PM (KklUr)
486
454 The "conservative" pundit and donor class that speak for us always reveal their massive ignorance of our history when they start talking about evangelicals. They should really read Locke and Blackburn to understand the great Christian influence on the founders. They would be very upset to realize that Hamilton, Madison and Jay were "born again" and that 2 of them were ordained ministers. But that does not fit version of history that they want to reconstruct.
The difference between men like Madison and men like Rick Warren is night and day. It's a meaningless comparison.
The difference between men like Madison and men like Rick Warren is night and day. It's a meaningless comparison.
Posted by: rfichoke at January 26, 2016 03:15 PM (xZEwe)
487
Jeff Goldblum died? That is extra sad as he has a very little baby who is only like 6 months old.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 03:15 PM (OrI3J)
488
I think the Alan Rickman death was a hoax from some parody site.
Posted by: Dr Spank at January 26, 2016 03:15 PM (kqD9B)
489
Jeff Goldblum is as dead as Buzzion and Paul McCartney.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 03:15 PM (39g3+)
490
BREAKING NEWS - GAZA: Multiple killed and at least 11 wounded in Hamas terror tunnel collapse in the Gaza Strip.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 26, 2016 03:16 PM (iQIUe)
491
The difference between men like Madison and men like Rick Warren is night and day.
True but I'm not sure how much political clout or influence Rick Warren has outside his churchoid structure
True but I'm not sure how much political clout or influence Rick Warren has outside his churchoid structure
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 03:18 PM (39g3+)
492
Jeff Goldblum is as dead as Buzzion and Paul McCartney.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 03:15 PM (39g3+)
OK so not so much dead... that is good. I would hate to think his son had to grow up fatherless.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 03:15 PM (39g3+)
OK so not so much dead... that is good. I would hate to think his son had to grow up fatherless.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 03:18 PM (OrI3J)
493
Kirk Douglas is 99 and turns 100 on December 9, 2016.
He is one of those actors who will no longer be allowed to vote on the Academy Awards because he has not worked in films in over 10 years.
What a disgrace that a cinematic giant is excluded from voting because a puny little nobody like Jada Pinkett Smith whines too much.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 26, 2016 03:08 PM (YqcVw)
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Didnt he receive a lifetime award? That shd entitle him to a lifetime of voting privileges.
He is one of those actors who will no longer be allowed to vote on the Academy Awards because he has not worked in films in over 10 years.
What a disgrace that a cinematic giant is excluded from voting because a puny little nobody like Jada Pinkett Smith whines too much.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 26, 2016 03:08 PM (YqcVw)
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Didnt he receive a lifetime award? That shd entitle him to a lifetime of voting privileges.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 26, 2016 03:20 PM (iQIUe)
494
BREAKING NEWS - GAZA: Multiple killed and at least 11 wounded in Hamas terror tunnel collapse in the Gaza Strip.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 26, 2016 03:16 PM (iQIUe)
So long as it was only the builders and/or users of the terror tunnel that died, I am not surprisingly fine with that. It might have even saved a few innocent lives.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 26, 2016 03:16 PM (iQIUe)
So long as it was only the builders and/or users of the terror tunnel that died, I am not surprisingly fine with that. It might have even saved a few innocent lives.
Posted by: redbanzai at January 26, 2016 03:20 PM (OrI3J)
495
Two BASE jumpers drown in Big Sur tragedy: Heroic man jumped in to save his friend but both were killed
http://goo.gl/lIaDwL
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I guess the plan was to land in this creek but it flows out into the ocean. It's winter and there are all sorts o weird waves.
http://goo.gl/lIaDwL
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I guess the plan was to land in this creek but it flows out into the ocean. It's winter and there are all sorts o weird waves.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 26, 2016 03:25 PM (iQIUe)
496
This lowly Trump supporter made a video to say that, yes, there ARE rational reasons to want Trump. http://youtu.be/h6hfkOGo9ME
Posted by: Anthony Dorazio at January 26, 2016 03:27 PM (m/ojm)
497
Dennehy dead. Biopic to star George Kennedy.
Posted by: LA Times Obits at January 26, 2016 03:28 PM (UBS9M)
498
Didnt he receive a lifetime award? That shd entitle him to a lifetime of voting privileges.
_________________
He did. So I guess he can vote. You think he's casting a vote for anyone in 50 Shades of Black?
Didnt he receive a lifetime award? That shd entitle him to a lifetime of voting privileges.
_________________
He did. So I guess he can vote. You think he's casting a vote for anyone in 50 Shades of Black?
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 26, 2016 03:31 PM (YqcVw)
499
>> BREAKING NEWS - GAZA: Multiple killed and at least 11
>> wounded in Hamas terror tunnel collapse in the Gaza Strip.
Salut!
>> wounded in Hamas terror tunnel collapse in the Gaza Strip.
Salut!
Posted by: JEM at January 26, 2016 03:31 PM (o+SC1)
500
True but I'm not sure how much political clout or influence Rick Warren has outside his churchoid structure
Warren and others like him characterize American Christianity in all of its crass anti-intellectual degradation. Can anyone honestly say that men like R.L. Dabney, J. Gresham Machen, or D. Martyn Lloyd Jones would be welcome in most evangelical churches today? I don't believe they would be.
Warren and others like him characterize American Christianity in all of its crass anti-intellectual degradation. Can anyone honestly say that men like R.L. Dabney, J. Gresham Machen, or D. Martyn Lloyd Jones would be welcome in most evangelical churches today? I don't believe they would be.
Posted by: rfichoke at January 26, 2016 03:33 PM (xZEwe)
501
494 BREAKING NEWS - GAZA: Multiple killed and at least 11 wounded in Hamas terror tunnel collapse in the Gaza Strip.
_______________________________
All part of the Zionist plot! The soil and rocks were Mossad agents!
Headline in tomorrow's New York Times:
Israeli failure to protect Gaza tunnel workers results in tragic Palestinian deaths
_______________________________
All part of the Zionist plot! The soil and rocks were Mossad agents!
Headline in tomorrow's New York Times:
Israeli failure to protect Gaza tunnel workers results in tragic Palestinian deaths
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 26, 2016 03:34 PM (YqcVw)
502
Aznegoth. (can I call you Az?)
You asked how I'd feel if someone posted that they
might not support Rubio (or somebody else) in the GE?
I'm a Cruz guy. However, I can't see the same factors with Rubio as with Trump-- w/Rubio, voting third party (or skipping that line entirely) seems like an overreaction to me.
With Trump, the issues seem fundamental. I just have no idea what his core beliefs are. His issue papers don't matter to me. On several occasions, it seemed like he was unfamiliar with them. Trump has been a liberal Democrat until very recently, & Rubio has not..
You asked how I'd feel if someone posted that they
might not support Rubio (or somebody else) in the GE?
I'm a Cruz guy. However, I can't see the same factors with Rubio as with Trump-- w/Rubio, voting third party (or skipping that line entirely) seems like an overreaction to me.
With Trump, the issues seem fundamental. I just have no idea what his core beliefs are. His issue papers don't matter to me. On several occasions, it seemed like he was unfamiliar with them. Trump has been a liberal Democrat until very recently, & Rubio has not..
Posted by: mnw (fair and ballast) at January 26, 2016 03:43 PM (KklUr)
503
Right!
Posted by: RODNEY STANTON at January 26, 2016 03:50 PM (jGxnC)
Posted by: Zombie Abe Vigoda at January 26, 2016 04:17 PM (jJRIy)
505
We aren't 19 trillion in the hole because people don't understand business. If the government were a business it would not exist. The fact that it continues to exist shows that the government is nothing like a business. Electing a business man is not going to change that.
Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 02:58 PM (gmeXX)
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Yes, we need a professional governing class.
Posted by: SH at January 26, 2016 02:58 PM (gmeXX)
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Yes, we need a professional governing class.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at January 26, 2016 04:45 PM (LXJ1e)
506
True conservatives, and I hate that choice of words, aren't all that interested in governing because we just want to be left the fuck alone 95 percent of the time. We want to leave other people alone 95 percent of the time.
That makes no money for the Donor Class and advances no social cause. Ergo it is unpopular even among Republican candidates.
That makes no money for the Donor Class and advances no social cause. Ergo it is unpopular even among Republican candidates.
Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at January 26, 2016 04:54 PM (PeJCI)
507
Can anyone honestly say that men like R.L. Dabney, J. Gresham Machen, or D. Martyn Lloyd Jones would be welcome in most evangelical churches today?
Well, lets say that Rick Warren would be much more welcome in most at least. I know I'd sleep on glass for a week straight for a chance just to talk to Machen or Jones.
Well, lets say that Rick Warren would be much more welcome in most at least. I know I'd sleep on glass for a week straight for a chance just to talk to Machen or Jones.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 26, 2016 05:30 PM (39g3+)
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BOTH parties are owned/directed by the private banking cartel that runs the Fed as well as the tax exempt foundations that are subverting the Constitution with multi-million dollar grants. Why isn't anyone asking about the real objectives of the PRIVATE central bank aka Federal Reserve and these foundations that operate tax free supposedly for the benefit of We the People. The former intends perpetual debt and the latter are working to turn the country into a collectivist, socialist state. Curious? Read The Creature from Jekyll Island and the Reese Commission Report. Either will shed light on how we got to where we are. Both together illustrate the vastness of the network that infests the government, the media and education.
Posted by: KauaiGoneGin at January 27, 2016 08:03 AM (jBmPp)
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Reminds me of a great song, Smiling Faces Sometimes by Undissued Truth.
Posted by: Charlotte Willson at January 27, 2016 08:33 AM (wGVxs)
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