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Barack Obama's Executive Order on Guns Is Partly Defensible, Partly Alarming, and Partly... Helpful?
The strangest part first: Bob Owens has looked at the order and finds, as regards firearms purchased under the terms of the National Firearms Act, which covers "any other weapon" besides the standard ones (sawed off shotguns and machine guns, usually), Obama's EO features both a harassment and an actual reform to the law.
The harassment part comes with a fingerprint requirement for weapons purchased through a trust -- apparently trusts and groups buy these weapons, and trusts and groups have no fingerprint of their own, so that is a harassment. The reform part comes in that the new order strikes the requirement of getting a community local law-enforcement officer to sign off on any purchase of such a weapon. Anti-gun local cops had routinely refused to sign off on such purchases, even if the purchases were sought by otherwise qualified and law-abiding people. The new EO gets rid of that requirement, for reasons I can only imagine are pure incompetence on Obama's part (that is, he couldn't possibly intend to harass gun-owners less). Two parts of his EO are common sense, increasing the number of FBI staff on the background-check detail, and a request to increase funds for mental health, to the tune of $500 million. Both of those measures are responsive to conservative cries of why don't you actually do a better job utilizing the law and authority you already have? and why don't you do a better job trying to keep dangerous people away from guns? The last part is the touchy one. One could say that, on its surface, it appears unobjectionable. The law says that anyone "engaged in the business" of selling firearms must conduct background checks and get a federal firearms licence. The new "guidance" offered by Obama states that it doesn't matter in what venue you conduct such a business, be it a brick-and-mortar storefront or online, or from the back of a van I suppose, but if you are indeed "engaged in the business" of selling firearms in whatever mode, you're engaged in the business, and subject to the law's requirements of background checks and licensing. On paper, this seems like an okey-dokey makes-sense sort of thing; but the thing with Obama is, he's a sneaky, obvious, incompetent liar, whose favorite mode of political travel is a poorly-disguised Trojan Horse. Remember, if you like your plan you can keep your plan. And I suppose: If you like your right to sell guns occasionally as a hobbyist, you can keep your right to sell guns occasionally as a hobbyist. So we'll see on that one. As stated, I imagine that provision will be upheld as legitimate by the courts; but if he begins using it as a pretext to start imposing, once again, Obama Martial Law, then the courts might have a problem with the order as actually applied. But overall, I'd say, at least for the moment, for the first time of the Obama presidency, things aren't as bad as they might have been. The typical pattern of the Obama years is that everything is always worse than you thought they would be. So I guess this is atypical.Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: AltonJackson at January 05, 2016 11:53 AM (ZQfW9)
Posted by: jmel at January 05, 2016 11:55 AM (t1oUn)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 05, 2016 11:55 AM (493sH)
Funny how that's never mentioned...
Posted by: donna at January 05, 2016 11:56 AM (/dSsq)
Barry - This is not a plot to take everyone's guns. No I'm sure the gangbangers and members of the religion of peace won't have their guns touched
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 05, 2016 11:56 AM (493sH)
Posted by: Jackstraw at January 05, 2016 11:57 AM (/tuJf)
about removing the requirement for getting a local official to "sign off"
either its to allow minority group greater access to guns (in his mind) by removing unfair impediments
or
he wishes to reserve that harassment for the FBI, for the fed
Posted by: ThunderB at January 05, 2016 11:57 AM (zOTsN)
Barry - We've become numb to gun violence. OR ignore it when it doesn't fit the agenda.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 05, 2016 11:57 AM (493sH)
Posted by: Country Singer at January 05, 2016 11:57 AM (GUBah)
Not a bill.
increasing funds for mental health
Through an EO? How does that work, exactly? Does it redistribute them from something else they are allocated to?
I mean, I know we're past silly things like laws, but still.
Posted by: Lea at January 05, 2016 11:57 AM (lIU4e)
Posted by: ThunderB at January 05, 2016 11:57 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Mainah at January 05, 2016 11:58 AM (659DL)
Posted by: V the K at January 05, 2016 11:58 AM (O7MnT)
Posted by: Hand of Count Petofi at January 05, 2016 11:58 AM (1BQGO)
This will be abused, just like how EPA/IRS.DHS, etc. re-interpret laws on the books to abuse citizens. Because they can - who will stop them?
Regardless of interpretation, assume malice behind it because: Obama.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 05, 2016 11:58 AM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Yes means Maybe at January 05, 2016 11:58 AM (7wyDO)
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at January 05, 2016 11:58 AM (kpqmD)
Posted by: Hand of Count Petofi at January 05, 2016 11:58 AM (1BQGO)
I notice the obvious lack of mention of increased gun ownership being related to decreased violent crime.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 05, 2016 11:59 AM (GUBah)
Barry - We know that background checks work. Unless it's someone from the Middle East then you ignore it.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 05, 2016 11:59 AM (493sH)
Posted by: V the K at January 05, 2016 11:59 AM (O7MnT)
You can't say "you're a dealer if you sell 1 or 2" then restrict the issuance of licensing.
Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at January 05, 2016 11:59 AM (Nj2wY)
Posted by: victimes of Operation Fast and Furious at January 05, 2016 11:59 AM (FsuaD)
Not a bill.
...
right, sorry.
As for "increases funds," you're right on that too -- the order really just includes a request for more funds.
Posted by: King Obama the Golfer at January 05, 2016 11:59 AM (dciA+)
I can't wait to see the murder rate in Chicago, Baltimore and other cities plummet.
Posted by: Hank at January 05, 2016 12:00 PM (AqfcR)
Posted by: Barack Obama at January 05, 2016 12:00 PM (FkBIv)
A basic rule for liberals is to always double down on their policies and blame the other people who said in the first place that the policies won't work.
Posted by: Satan -- not on lunch at January 05, 2016 12:00 PM (qSIlh)
I assume that would require the seller aquiring personal information from the buyer. SS number, address, telephone number?
This would leave me to believe that firearms would now be used in a different kind of crime. The crime of identity theft.
I find it completely objectionable if that is the case.
Lastly, always remember and never forget. The people trying to foist these laws are not doing it because some shlub shot some other schlub. They are doing it with the end game being that you are relived of all of your firearms....Period.
Posted by: Drider at January 05, 2016 12:00 PM (bdzyz)
Posted by: ThunderB at January 05, 2016 12:01 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 05, 2016 12:01 PM (XtAzU)
Posted by: Yes means Maybe at January 05, 2016 11:58 AM (7wyDO)
Nooooo, those background check forms won't evvveeerrrr be used for universal registration, i.e., a list of people to be subject to midnight SWAT raids for confiscation. That'll neevverrrr happen! Trust us!
Posted by: Fucking Communist Bastards at January 05, 2016 12:01 PM (GUBah)
Posted by: Hand of Count Petofi at January 05, 2016 12:02 PM (1BQGO)
Posted by: Barry McFuckStick at January 05, 2016 12:02 PM (RKQ/v)
Nothing the Left does or says is benign.
They will use all means to increase the size and scope of government.
That $500 million will be used as propaganda funding to encourage health workers to report law-abiding citizens as 5150's.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 05, 2016 12:02 PM (9YDUz)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 05, 2016 12:02 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: president o'bumbles at January 05, 2016 12:02 PM (DLIIY)
'ATF will make clear that whether you are 'engaged in the business' depends on the facts and circumstances,' Jarrett said.
Such utter F'ing bullshit.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA -@DMS1974 at January 05, 2016 12:02 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 05, 2016 12:03 PM (5buP8)
Posted by: Buzzsaw
Obama likes this version :
https://youtu.be/JUDSeb2zHQ0
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 05, 2016 12:03 PM (FkBIv)
Posted by: John Roberts at January 05, 2016 12:03 PM (VndSC)
Posted by: hadoop at January 05, 2016 12:03 PM (2X7pN)
Vain hope that Congress would nut up and tell him he doesn't. Trump says he'll wipe out all of Barry's EOs on day one and they can't figure out why his popularity soars.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 05, 2016 12:03 PM (493sH)
'ATF will make clear that whether you are 'engaged in the business' depends on the facts and circumstances,' Jarrett said.
WTF is She saying anything ?
Posted by: donna at January 05, 2016 12:03 PM (/dSsq)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 05, 2016 12:03 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Mainah at January 05, 2016 12:03 PM (659DL)
Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at January 05, 2016 12:04 PM (kJ/ZP)
2. The Mental health part he is giving more money to, will be used to make the SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION start gun registration, through Medicare. The stated goal is to get guns out of the hands of Seniors someone deems incompetent... (problem is that someone like me, who monitors my Mom's money, is evidence that she is not competent...).
3. Now add in that Seniors will not be able to give their guns away without gunning through the hassle of Background checks, for say their GRANDKIDS???? and paying money to transfer those guns through a gun shop?
4. The Mental Health money will also be used by the VETS ADMIN to go after Vets who own guns... those with slight cases of PTSD will soon have no gun rights... because Vets ARE a threat to this administration.
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 05, 2016 12:04 PM (f7rv6)
Posted by: John P. Squibob at January 05, 2016 12:04 PM (DQZLr)
Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji
Watch him.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 05, 2016 12:04 PM (9YDUz)
the answer is easy: "how do you know violent crime wouldn't have decreased even more if were had decreased gun ownership?"
And how do you answer an elitist's fantasy?
Posted by: Satan -- not on lunch at January 05, 2016 12:04 PM (qSIlh)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUDSeb2zHQ0
Posted by: Lizzy at January 05, 2016 12:04 PM (NOIQH)
Show me a friggin' 10yo kid that can't open a damn bottle of aspirin.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 05, 2016 12:04 PM (GUBah)
Thought he'd banned aspirin, anyway...
Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 05, 2016 12:05 PM (xq1UY)
Barry - We're going to increase gun safety technology. uhhh what?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 05, 2016 12:05 PM (493sH)
Posted by: BignJames at January 05, 2016 12:05 PM (x9c8r)
VETS ADMIN to go after Vets who own guns... those with slight cases of
PTSD will soon have no gun rights... because Vets ARE a threat to this
administration.
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 05, 2016 12:04 PM (f7rv6)
THIS. Let's not forget Big Sis' warning about the danger of returning vets. The nasty bitch.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 05, 2016 12:06 PM (FsuaD)
You know, technology of gun confiscation...
Posted by: donna at January 05, 2016 12:06 PM (/dSsq)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 05, 2016 12:02 PM (FsuaD)
Here ya go: http://tinyurl.com/hlswtv7
Posted by: Country Singer at January 05, 2016 12:06 PM (GUBah)
Posted by: TheQuietMan
------------------
By sending more tax$$$ to his crony companies. Like Solyndra, only better.
Posted by: Roy at January 05, 2016 12:06 PM (VndSC)
Posted by: Country Singer at January 05, 2016 12:06 PM (GUBah)
Balderdash, on part two. Maybe on part one as well. But definitely balderdash on two.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 05, 2016 12:06 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Hank at January 05, 2016 12:07 PM (AqfcR)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 05, 2016 12:07 PM (FkBIv)
PTSD depression anxiety grief bulemia
Unless ADJUDICATED violent/dangerous mentally ill, the rights of those suffering from mental illness are as sacrosanct as anyone else's
Posted by: ginaswo at January 05, 2016 12:07 PM (qxNrP)
Posted by: BignJames
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You need to tap the flush handle a few times.
Posted by: Roy at January 05, 2016 12:07 PM (VndSC)
Posted by: Lizzy at January 05, 2016 12:07 PM (NOIQH)
WTF is She saying anything ?
Most certainly. The definition will be ambiguous, fluid, and enforcement will be capricious.
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 05, 2016 12:07 PM (326rv)
With science and shit.
Because he's from the side that cares.
Posted by: jwest at January 05, 2016 12:07 PM (Zs4uk)
Posted by: BignJames at January 05, 2016 12:07 PM (x9c8r)
Posted by: hadoop at January 05, 2016 12:07 PM (2X7pN)
He's crying. There are tears rolling down his girly cheeks. I don't know why but this walking embarrassment to the country is crying.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 05, 2016 12:08 PM (493sH)
The background checks are the biggest piles of shit around. They are stupid, useless and un-Constitutional. They serve no purpose other than to provide the feds with a list of gun buys (not exact buys, but close enough) and to impose a hardship on gun buyers. They aren't meant to stop anything.
On every other piece of federal paper people merely attest to things under penalty of perjury. If the background checks were really meant just to stop criminals from buying guns then they would be done after the purchase, with the help of the "illegal" purchaser opening himself up to years in jail just from the perjury (without any need for further crimes). But, they don't do that. They force the checks to take place in "real-time", which makes it clear that the checks are merely intended to hassle people. And, as I said, the checks are useless, anyway. In addition, they love to put people on the "no buy" list for political reasons which have nothing to do with ones right to own guns.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at January 05, 2016 12:08 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: Mainah at January 05, 2016 12:08 PM (659DL)
Oh for heavens sake Barry, grow a pair....
Posted by: donna at January 05, 2016 12:08 PM (/dSsq)
The failure to set a numerical threshhold for purposes of defining "engaged in the business" is intentional. It's yet another vehicle by which ordinary citizens can become subject to prosecution at the whim of our overlords.
F&*k our Low Information President in particular.
Posted by: Furious George at January 05, 2016 12:08 PM (3GAnN)
Some of us will be avoiding Hoi Polloi even more, in this brave new world.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 05, 2016 12:08 PM (xq1UY)
Posted by: hadoop at January 05, 2016 12:09 PM (2X7pN)
Posted by: Ace Jr. at January 05, 2016 12:09 PM (uNpJu)
Posted by: CaliGirl at January 05, 2016 12:09 PM (egOGm)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 05, 2016 12:02 PM (FsuaD)
Blood BLOOD BLOOD IN THE STREETS!!
http://tinyurl.com/cozxv3b
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA -@DMS1974 at January 05, 2016 12:09 PM (fWAjv)
Barry - The right to freedom and safety denied to gun victims. Well maybe if they owned a gun it wouldn't have been. Defend themselves and all that.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 05, 2016 12:09 PM (493sH)
Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at January 05, 2016 12:09 PM (4KoRb)
This is just a freak show now.
Can we expect someone to faint in 3...2...1...?
This man does not weep for anyone, he is a cold fish. That he would do fake tears today is just....wow. What substance(s) is he on?
Posted by: Lizzy at January 05, 2016 12:10 PM (NOIQH)
Can you imagine a similar policy on something more familiar, like driving? Sure, there's a speed limit, but there's also reckless driving. Driving the posted limit during certain conditions is very reckless, so I've directed law enforcement to start arresting folks who drive too fast for conditions. If it saves one life.....
Posted by: Grimaldi at January 05, 2016 12:10 PM (MKAwS)
Barry - We can't wait for Congress to act on guns. Yeah, why follow the law when your the king?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 05, 2016 12:10 PM (493sH)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 05, 2016 12:10 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: hadoop at January 05, 2016 12:10 PM (2X7pN)
In other words, that lie about no confiscating was a lie.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 05, 2016 12:10 PM (GUBah)
Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 05, 2016 12:10 PM (xq1UY)
Biden looks like they glued his mouth shut or maybe he was playing with the paste right before this
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 05, 2016 12:11 PM (493sH)
Since obama is such a failure on the World stage, he has to try and look commanding somewhere...... Impossible of course and the "tears" don't help...
Posted by: donna at January 05, 2016 12:11 PM (/dSsq)
Posted by: president o'bumbles at January 05, 2016 12:11 PM (DLIIY)
She's saying "We decide if you are in the business."
It's like IRS interpretations. There is no actual rule, just whatever they feel like that day.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 05, 2016 12:11 PM (PCof0)
"I'm a Vet. I was treated for PTSD" - ineligible
"I'm a senior citizen" - ineligible
"I'm a conservative and have funny ideas about how the Constitution works" - ineligible
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 05, 2016 12:12 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: joey biden at January 05, 2016 12:12 PM (DLIIY)
Posted by: redenzo at January 05, 2016 12:12 PM (WCnJW)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 05, 2016 12:12 PM (4ErVI)
That statement IS true. If I have an FFL, I can buy wholesale and ship to my home.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 05, 2016 12:12 PM (Yu4ah)
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 05, 2016 12:12 PM (dFi94)
Fixed
Posted by: Country Singer at January 05, 2016 12:13 PM (GUBah)
Posted by: King Obama the Golfer at January 05, 2016 11:59 AM (dciA+)
Hm. ok.
I mean, could have done that in a press release. Also 'more money' doesn't really do anything if you still can't lock up someone who is about to go killing for more than three days, or force them to take meds.
Posted by: Lea at January 05, 2016 12:13 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 05, 2016 12:13 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: donna at January 05, 2016 12:13 PM (/dSsq)
Posted by: caitlyn j. at January 05, 2016 12:13 PM (DLIIY)
Yes and yes.
This is the dude who was blasé about Americans being beheaded by ISIS, an entire consulate under terrorist attack, Ft Hood, etc.
The tears are insane.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 05, 2016 12:14 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Lizzy at January 05, 2016 12:10 PM (NOIQH)
He covered his nose with his hand right before the waterworks so maybe he yanked out a nose hair to get the tears flowing.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 05, 2016 12:14 PM (493sH)
Hot new study, belief in God having conservative values are signs of mental illness.
Posted by: no good deed at January 05, 2016 12:14 PM (GgxVX)
Posted by: X at January 05, 2016 12:14 PM (57fhp)
Disarm the neighborhoods that have the highest rate of gun violence. Makes sense, doesn't it?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 05, 2016 12:14 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: ginaswo at January 05, 2016 12:07 PM (qxNrP)
We've already seen the Vet Admin go after aging Vets guns... those who they say are no longer competent... WITHOUT any Court Order.
Now.... add in... in the State of Calif. after Jan 1 ANYONE can go to a Court, and without informing you of the proceeding, get your guns confiscated... no real legal thresh hold... a Judge just has to agree, and you cannot even defend yourself.
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 05, 2016 12:14 PM (f7rv6)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 05, 2016 12:14 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at January 05, 2016 12:15 PM (tM4uk)
Who decides who is mentally incompetent? Tell me. Who?
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 05, 2016 12:13 PM (dFi94)
Biden will be the mental incompetency czar.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 05, 2016 12:15 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Lizzy at January 05, 2016 12:10 PM (NOIQH)
----
He covered his nose with his hand right before the waterworks so maybe he yanked out a nose hair to get the tears flowing.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 05, 2016 12:14 PM (493sH)
http://www.wikihow.com/Fake-Cry
Posted by: Country Singer at January 05, 2016 12:15 PM (GUBah)
Disarm the neighborhoods that have the highest rate of gun violence. Makes sense, doesn't it?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 05, 2016 12:14 PM (oKE6c)
Check the maps... the areas with the highest murder rates already have the strictest gun control Laws.
And all are controlled by Democrats Politically...
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 05, 2016 12:16 PM (f7rv6)
you know, smart guns, smart lock boxes, smart bullets... you can't shoot anyone if you can't get the gun loaded before the burglar stabs you with the carving knife. We'll need to regulate those, too.
Posted by: Satan -- not on lunch at January 05, 2016 12:16 PM (qSIlh)
First, this new executive order is easy to ignore. Just continue to sell guns as you always have. Just be more alert to the possibility of an undercover agent.
Secondly, more federal agents doing more paperwork is a good thing as it will help lower the unemployment rate and everyone will feel better about that, and those agents who succeed in getting a lifetime appointment to the ruling class will be grateful to those who appointed them.
And as far as keeping dangerous people away from firearms, I can see no argument to that. Of course we wouldn't want dangerous people to be armed and dangerous.
And finally, who, in their right minds, makes a hobby out of selling guns?
Posted by: A.Smythers, A Celt at January 05, 2016 12:16 PM (upinl)
Posted by: jmel at January 05, 2016 11:55 AM (t1oUn)
As a current and former MA resident, let me assure you, there are Christians in Egypt and Giants fans in Quincy, but that doesn't make the pope a methodist.
After 2012 and my firm faith in the preference cascade and the need for a fix to the polling, I'm not popping champagne until an un-assassinated Trump takes the oath of office.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at January 05, 2016 12:16 PM (xuouz)
Nope. Can't see how that's a bad thing at all.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at January 05, 2016 12:16 PM (9krrF)
Posted by: Zeek the Geek at January 05, 2016 12:17 PM (C7e4t)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA -@DMS1974 at January 05, 2016 12:17 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Satan -- not on lunch at January 05, 2016 12:17 PM (qSIlh)
But, rarely does TFG give you any sugar with your medicine.
CLEO's and trusts are why I don't own either of the above mentioned items. But now? So many suppressors and SBR's! all the suppressors and SBR's!
Posted by: Chupacabra at January 05, 2016 12:17 PM (q/kmn)
Posted by: Satan -- not on lunch at January 05, 2016 12:16 PM (qSIlh)
*Casting eyes downward*
Posted by: UK and Australia at January 05, 2016 12:17 PM (GUBah)
Two things:
1) How do you do a background check on an FFL?
2) Since I am NOW a business selling one gun a year, my business is failing and I get to write off all of my income.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 05, 2016 12:18 PM (Yu4ah)
Yes, for the children. Planned Parenthood is doing God's work though, don't ya know.
Posted by: no good deed at January 05, 2016 12:18 PM (GgxVX)
Especially since Texas has made hunting with them legal.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 05, 2016 12:19 PM (Yu4ah)
It's in the enforcing of these changes that we'll discover the intent.
Much like the IRS or other government enforcement agencies, BATFE has massive power to confiscate property.
So when Sumdood is found to be in non-compliance with xyz clause of paragraph pdq.1121, subsection 45834503.a and has his accounts seized, his guns taken, etc. Good luck fighting that.
As always, the process IS the punishment. Even if you "win".
Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 05, 2016 12:19 PM (kKHcp)
Posted by: Fritz at January 05, 2016 12:19 PM (UzPAd)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 05, 2016 12:19 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Lizzy at January 05, 2016 12:19 PM (NOIQH)
Oh, you mean he added price to a commodity through regulation?
I'm not sure that is supposed to be how FREE markets work...
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 05, 2016 12:19 PM (f7rv6)
Posted by: Hand of Count Petofi at January 05, 2016 12:19 PM (1BQGO)
Posted by: Cheri at January 05, 2016 12:20 PM (oiNtH)
I'm pretty sure that's the current law.
Posted by: Grump928(c) withholds at January 05, 2016 12:20 PM (evdj2)
Pauly Quisling Ryan just issued a statement. Basically this is why we need to elect a Republican president. Good gosh, what courage from the man. He's bravely standing guard on the political Maginot line as the enemy goes right by him
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 05, 2016 12:20 PM (493sH)
I no longer sell. Every one I have ever sold, I have come to regret.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 05, 2016 12:20 PM (Yu4ah)
Posted by: SH at January 05, 2016 12:21 PM (gmeXX)
Meanwhile Ted Cruz is suddenly leading California today in the year's first poll.
Posted by: TallDave at January 05, 2016 12:21 PM (/s1LA)
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time
I can help you with that.
Posted by: Joseph Stalin at January 05, 2016 12:21 PM (FkBIv)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 05, 2016 12:22 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Chupacabra at January 05, 2016 12:22 PM (q/kmn)
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time
Anyone who opposes the left will be deemed so. Hang on I think this is my train. All aboard for the gulags comrades.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 05, 2016 12:22 PM (493sH)
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at January 05, 2016 12:22 PM (PFy0L)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA -@DMS1974 at January 05, 2016 12:22 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: TheQuietMan
Onion juice on the hand?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 05, 2016 12:23 PM (FkBIv)
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at January 05, 2016 12:23 PM (RD7QR)
Did he wipe his tears or just let it run down?
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA -@DMS1974 at January 05, 2016 12:22 PM (fWAjv)
His fawning minions in the presswhore probably held out their hands to catch them.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 05, 2016 12:24 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA -@DMS1974 at January 05, 2016 12:22 PM (fWAjv)
I little of both. It was very girly. I'm surprised he didn't fan his face with his limp hand
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 05, 2016 12:24 PM (493sH)
Which will take over a year . . . .
So, it really is the only thing Obama is good at: Putting on a great public show of doing something.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 05, 2016 12:24 PM (fQ/0p)
Let it run down and glisten on his cheek for the cameras. Unreal.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 05, 2016 12:24 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 05, 2016 12:24 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 05, 2016 12:24 PM (XtAzU)
Posted by: Fritz at January 05, 2016 12:24 PM (UzPAd)
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time
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I can help you with that.
Posted by: Joseph Stalin at January 05, 2016 12:21 PM (FkBIv)
I hear St Elizabeth's is nice this time of year.
Posted by: FDR at January 05, 2016 12:25 PM (GUBah)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 05, 2016 12:25 PM (FkBIv)
"Oh, you mean he added price to a commodity through regulation?
"
As long as there is a government there will never be a market free of some regulation - but you make a good point. However, I'm sure this wasn't what our child president intended.
Posted by: Zeek the Geek at January 05, 2016 12:25 PM (C7e4t)
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin
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No ever said "deriving the majority of your income from selling firearms" was a criteria. You can be a part-time gun seller.. say, just on weekends at gun shows. But if you are doing that, you should be a licensed dealer and be doing background checks. Period.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 05, 2016 12:25 PM (so+oy)
Posted by: Ghost of kari at January 05, 2016 12:25 PM (xuouz)
Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at January 05, 2016 12:25 PM (LYCUN)
This is a huge infringement upon all of us
IMO it's a YYYUGE mistake to take this as a nothing burger
Fxckin Toomey Manchin had language like this in it
Posted by: ginaswo at January 05, 2016 12:25 PM (qxNrP)
Posted by: Cheri at January 05, 2016 12:25 PM (oiNtH)
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at January 05, 2016 12:22 PM (PFy0L)
And based on the Supreme Court Precedent that has growing grain to feed your own chickens is INTERSTATE Commerce... Roberts and the Supremes will agree.
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 05, 2016 12:25 PM (f7rv6)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 05, 2016 12:26 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at January 05, 2016 12:26 PM (LYCUN)
Posted by: Naes at January 05, 2016 12:27 PM (Ypc8j)
Posted by: Cheri at January 05, 2016 12:25 PM (oiNtH)
No.... nor for your Health records on any third party system after the recent change RYAN put in the Omnibus spending bill...
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 05, 2016 12:27 PM (f7rv6)
Posted by: PabloD at January 05, 2016 12:27 PM (5CsS+)
While the 1993 Brady law prohibits gun ownership by individuals who have been involuntarily committed, found incompetent to stand trial or otherwise deemed by a court to be a danger to themselves or others, federal health care privacy rules prohibited doctors and other providers from sharing information without the consent of their patients.
Under the rule, which takes effect next month, for the first time health providers can disclose the information to the background check system without legal repercussions.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 05, 2016 12:27 PM (NOIQH)
And the march goes on toward declaring introverted, shy, and quiet people as mentally damaged. If you aren't outgoing, popular, socially active, and cool, you must be wrong somehow. Its like a sci fi novel or a Twilight Zone episode playing out right in front of our eyes.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 05, 2016 12:27 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: RoyalOil
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And that is really all this is about.. pandering to the libtards who DEMAND some action, now!
Without enforcement, nothing will change.. without hundreds or thousands of new agents checking whether someone is a hobbyist selling a one-off gun or selling wholesale, nothing changes.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 05, 2016 12:27 PM (so+oy)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 05, 2016 12:18 PM (Yu4ah)
We still classify that as a hobby and a personal expense, therefore not deductible. Those bozos over at BATF can declare you a business all they want. Hey guess what? You're getting it from both ends now! WooHoo!!
Posted by: Your Friendly Neighborhood IRS Examiner at January 05, 2016 12:27 PM (JO9+V)
Boston? 9/11? His tears are very selective.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 05, 2016 12:29 PM (39g3+)
Think of the disconnected, robotic Obama that spoke after the terrorists attacks. That is how he responds to real tragedy.
Posted by: Hand of Count Petofi at January 05, 2016 12:29 PM (1BQGO)
Awesome tax write offs for failing businesses. How can support themselves on one gun a year?
Posted by: rickb223 at January 05, 2016 12:29 PM (Yu4ah)
No biggie.
BUT LOOK OVER THERE! WHITE TERRORISTS SITTING IN A RANGER STATION!!!!
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 05, 2016 12:30 PM (9YDUz)
The statute already defines "engaged in the business" with an exception for occasional sales or having a hobby. Like a lot of statutory definitions, there's a gray area. Obama is trying to remove the gray on internet sales and when sellers make a profit. But addressing gray areas was the purview of the ATF as enforcement agency and courts as the final arbiter of the statutory language.
As a matter of principle, this shouldn't be addressed in an EO, whereby Obama is usurping authority from Congress, the courts and the ATF, a trifecta of unconstitutional overreach.
So if the ATF brings a case over a single internet sale, a court should and must ignore Obama's EO as having no legal weight. It'd have been more legally effective had the ATF itself issued non-binding guidance, which I expect it will, leaving Obama's EOs as political grandstanding.
There's also something in the EOs about having HHS remove barriers to reporting to the background check system about the mentally ill. This will raise no end of privacy and HIPPA concerns. The nutty people who have done most of the big shootups weren't stopped by our current system and it's doubtful that this will change because they didn't appear nutty enough to be committed.
Obama is saying his gun control EOs are worth it if they save a life or two. You know what's proven to save a life or two: stop-and-frisk, in any large US city, over a weekend.
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 05, 2016 12:30 PM (r1fLd)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 05, 2016 12:25 PM (so+oy)
Except that is not how the law is actually written...
If you want that change, then go to Congress and get it.
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 05, 2016 12:30 PM (f7rv6)
Will there be a minimum number of tweets or Facebook posts one must make in order to be considered "normal?"
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 05, 2016 12:30 PM (FkBIv)
Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at January 05, 2016 12:31 PM (LYCUN)
Yes, I must listen to my betters.
Posted by: That guy who always says... at January 05, 2016 12:31 PM (Dwehj)
So HIPPA no longer applies between you and your doctor?
Posted by: Cheri at January 05, 2016 12:25 PM (oiNtH)
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Remember the days when doctors wrote on their charts? Handwritten notes? Gee golly it's so much more efficient now what with everyone's records digitized. All my medical info is online. Whew - sure glad it won't "get lost" now. And the benevolent government gets to help manage it all. I for one feel better just knowing that.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 05, 2016 12:31 PM (dFi94)
Peeps will stop seeking treatment
Posted by: ginaswo at January 05, 2016 12:31 PM (qxNrP)
Posted by: wth at January 05, 2016 12:31 PM (HgMAr)
Posted by: Vlad Putin at January 05, 2016 12:31 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: rickb223
..........
You get disallowed as a business if you declare no profit 3 out of 5 years.. or is it 2 out of 5? can't remember..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 05, 2016 12:31 PM (so+oy)
Posted by: Ponsonby Britt at January 05, 2016 12:32 PM (tNSR3)
Posted by: weft cut-loop
Send in Yogi and Boo Boo.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 05, 2016 12:32 PM (FkBIv)
The main reasons are 1) to avoid the chief law enforcement sign-off requirement; many counties have sheriffs who have a blanket ban on signing off, even here in TX; 2) to avoid accidental possession; 3) to provide a way to pass the items to minor children and hold them until they become adults; 4) to allow others to legally possess the items; 5) to avoid the transfer tax; 6) increased approval times; individuals were looking at nearly 1 year wait while trusts were seeing as little as a few months for approval from the ATF.
Most everyone I've done one for already owned a restricted item and already went through the fingerprinting.
The concern is, the fingerprinting requirement is designed to gum up the works and drag approval times for trusts out as long as they are for individuals now.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 05, 2016 12:32 PM (fQ/0p)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 05, 2016 12:25 PM (FkBIv)
He's too busy blowing something else
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 05, 2016 12:32 PM (493sH)
As I understand it, the executive order expands that definition in direct contradiction to the law.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 05, 2016 12:33 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: GOP at January 05, 2016 12:33 PM (2X7pN)
Posted by: Grump928(c) withholds at January 05, 2016 12:33 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Garbage at January 05, 2016 12:33 PM (8ZskC)
And all are controlled by Democrats Politically...
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 05, 2016 12:16 PM (f7rv6)
Yes, of course. But the point is that if you want to reduce gun violence, focus on where gun violence takes place. Gun control has proven ineffective, for the reasons you mention. But applying gun control to areas where there isn't much gun violence has got to be still LESS effective.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 05, 2016 12:33 PM (oKE6c)
What the APA defines as mental illness is very broad and this EO, if allowed will capture many, many people in its breadth. The APA, for instance, now considers "grief" a mental illness. As it does oppositional defiance disorder. Should anyone who has lost a loved one or who is particularly stubborn be subject to losing their Constitutional rights?
Posted by: redbanzai at January 05, 2016 12:34 PM (OrI3J)
Posted by: Grump928(c) withholds at January 05, 2016 12:34 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: wth at January 05, 2016 12:34 PM (HgMAr)
Posted by: Chupacabra at January 05, 2016 12:22 PM (q/kmn)
Why on earth wouldn't they just pass on the guns?
the only people I know who have sold a lot of guns did so because they had money troubles..
Posted by: Lea at January 05, 2016 12:34 PM (lIU4e)
According to the article:
Current law allows HIPAA exclusions for law enforcement purposes, but it's a broad exclusion.
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Since the Newtown shootings, the number of mental health records submitted to the FBI system has tripled to more than 3 million records, according to an analysis by Everytown for Gun Safety, a group promoting an end to gun violence. The FBI system resulted in more than 6,000 denials of firearm purchases because of mental health criteria.
I think this is a big deal for backdoor gun confiscation - have you seen the stats on how many Americans have taken anti-depressants? They could make the mental health concern such a low bar that it applies to almost everyone.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 05, 2016 12:34 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: despair at January 05, 2016 12:34 PM (VrdxH)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 05, 2016 12:35 PM (FkBIv)
Posted by: FCF at January 05, 2016 12:35 PM (kejii)
1. Permit to be free from illegal search and seizure can only be issued to citizens who pay an annual licensing fee and have no mental health issues.
2. Permit to be free from cruel and unusual punishment can only be issued to citizens who don't have a criminal record.
Posted by: Furious George at January 05, 2016 12:35 PM (3GAnN)
Top Commenters at the HQ hardest hit
Posted by: ginaswo at January 05, 2016 12:35 PM (qxNrP)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 05, 2016 12:36 PM (FkBIv)
I don't sell guns, and so far as I'm concerned they can bury me with them.
Posted by: Chupacabra at January 05, 2016 12:37 PM (q/kmn)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 05, 2016 12:37 PM (FsuaD)
>> Did he wipe his tears or just let it run down?
Let it run down and glisten on his cheek for the cameras. Unreal.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 05, 2016 12:24 PM (NOIQH)
.......................
Did a thirsty fly land in it?
Posted by: wth at January 05, 2016 12:37 PM (HgMAr)
I can just imagine the questions.
Posted by: E.T. at January 05, 2016 12:37 PM (yq4gk)
Posted by: Diogenes at January 05, 2016 12:38 PM (r65B3)
Posted by: Chupacabra at January 05, 2016 12:38 PM (q/kmn)
Posted by: rickb223
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You get disallowed as a business if you declare no profit 3 out of 5 years.. or is it 2 out of 5? can't remember..
But I'm forced to be a business if I sell one gun. Square that circle.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 05, 2016 12:38 PM (Yu4ah)
How can it be a RIGHT, if you need Governments PRE APPROVAL to do it?
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 05, 2016 12:38 PM (f7rv6)
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 05, 2016 12:38 PM (oDCMR)
No guns for gays with this rule 25 yrs ago
Posted by: ginaswo at January 05, 2016 12:38 PM (qxNrP)
Pre-1972 homosexuality was considered a mental illness under the DSM. How can we be sure it isn't still? Maybe teh gheys should be stopped from owning guns.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 05, 2016 12:38 PM (8ZskC)
And this alone should have us very worried. Another shoe (inevitably) drops, when you're talking about King Put.
Posted by: MTF at January 05, 2016 12:38 PM (TxJGV)
Posted by: IRS at January 05, 2016 12:39 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at January 05, 2016 12:39 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: NotCoach at January 05, 2016 12:39 PM (rsudF)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at January 05, 2016 12:39 PM (kff5f)
....Since the Newtown shootings, the number of mental health records submitted to the FBI system has tripled to more than 3 million records, according to an analysis by Everytown for Gun Safety, a group promoting an end to gun violence....
A group promoting and end to gun violence.
w
t
f
??
So much wrong in just that little blurb.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 05, 2016 12:39 PM (kKHcp)
1. Permit to be free from illegal search and seizure can only be issued to citizens who pay an annual licensing fee and have no mental health issues.
2. Permit to be free from cruel and unusual punishment can only be issued to citizens who don't have a criminal record.
Permit to speak.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 05, 2016 12:39 PM (Yu4ah)
How can it be a RIGHT, if you need Governments PRE APPROVAL to do it?
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It's a Tax.
Posted by: Gumby Roberts at January 05, 2016 12:39 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: Paul Ryan at January 05, 2016 12:39 PM (LYCUN)
Question #2 Are you a Friday person? How about a Sunday person?
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 05, 2016 12:40 PM (dFi94)
I can quit anytime....
Maet has not yet unleashed the "2015 wall of shame"...
I am not on it
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 05, 2016 12:40 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Chupacabra at January 05, 2016 12:37 PM (q/kmn)
So where do you think they'll plant you? Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 05, 2016 12:40 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Lizzy at January 05, 2016 12:24 PM (NOIQH)
Oh..
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like..
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so..
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many..
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times..
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before..
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Sack up you fake ass pussy.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA -@DMS1974 at January 05, 2016 12:40 PM (fWAjv)
Let it run down and glisten on his cheek for the cameras. Unreal.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 05, 2016 12:24 PM (NOIQH)
I started that.
Posted by: Iron Eyes Cody at January 05, 2016 12:40 PM (oKE6c)
Like gaming addiction too
I don't agree anything they out in the DSM is cause for losing natural & civil rights
That's my point
You can have an 'issue' and not be dangerous to self or others to extent ability to protect self if taken from you
Posted by: ginaswo at January 05, 2016 12:41 PM (qxNrP)
Posted by: Don't Make Teh Donald Angry at January 05, 2016 12:41 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Chupacabra at January 05, 2016 12:41 PM (q/kmn)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 05, 2016 12:42 PM (39g3+)
How can we be sure it isn't still? Maybe teh gheys should be stopped
from owning guns.
The Pink Pistols hardest hit.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 05, 2016 12:42 PM (4WhSY)
Actually I think they removed that from the new DSM
Coinkydink? Voices say....no.
Posted by: ginaswo at January 05, 2016 12:42 PM (qxNrP)
. WTF?
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 05, 2016 12:38 PM (oDCMR)
Fixed for accuracy
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA -@DMS1974 at January 05, 2016 12:42 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 05, 2016 12:43 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 05, 2016 12:43 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Chupacabra at January 05, 2016 12:37 PM (q/kmn)
So where do you think they'll plant you? Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Cicero
Lat/Lon a plus. TIA.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 05, 2016 12:43 PM (Yu4ah)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 05, 2016 12:42 PM (4WhSY)
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Hey now. I have one of those.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 05, 2016 12:44 PM (dFi94)
Especially since Texas has made hunting with them legal.
In WA it used to be legal to purchase a suppressor, but illegal to attach one to a weapon and fire the weapon.
They removed that stupidity, but nobody would sign off on the tax stamp, so people had to do the trust thing to get a quieter shooting experience.
Now we're apparently not going to need the trust thing. Nifty.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 05, 2016 12:44 PM (jhqr1)
Posted by: Blue Hen at January 05, 2016 12:44 PM (326rv)
Posted by: Your doctor at January 05, 2016 12:45 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Chicago, LA, NYC at January 05, 2016 12:45 PM (LYCUN)
You have a gun club for gay men? Please, never tell me how you acquired that.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 05, 2016 12:45 PM (4WhSY)
requiring regular mental health checkups because that's when they'll
start to misuse it.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 05, 2016 12:42 PM (39g3+)
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Maybe we should all start to practice that competency scene from Miracle on 34th Street.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 05, 2016 12:45 PM (dFi94)
. WTF?
Posted by: Puddin Head at January 05, 2016 12:38 PM (oDCMR)
Fixed for accuracy
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA -@DMS1974 at January 05, 2016 12:42 PM (fWAjv)
Better?? The guy who armed Syrians who then gave the guns to ISIS....
Wants to disarm the US Citizen.
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 05, 2016 12:46 PM (f7rv6)
And the people problem comes largely from the mentally ill (thanks, Supreme Court, for making them difficult to institutionalize!), blacks, Hispanics, and now Muslims. Absent those four groups, our gun violence stats and/or domination of news coverage would evaporate. Dentists from Bug Tussle, South Dakota are not part of the problem.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 05, 2016 12:46 PM (oKE6c)
Not yet - I was just spit-balling on what this mental health action could lead to. Something like....
Step 1: Make it legal to delve into citizens' medical records (check!)
Step 2: Run stats on various mental health "indicators", such as seeking therapy, anti-depressants, etc.
Step 3: Make rule that say if you exhibit one of the "indicators", no guns for you!!
Posted by: Lizzy at January 05, 2016 12:46 PM (NOIQH)
"Sir, you own all of these guns. What are you afraid of?"
"Not a damn thing."
Posted by: rickb223 at January 05, 2016 12:46 PM (Yu4ah)
Pre-1972 homosexuality was considered a mental illness under the DSM. How can we be sure it isn't still? Maybe teh gheys should be stopped from owning guns.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 05, 2016 12:38 PM (8ZskC)
One thing though, there is no 'internet addiction' in DMSV.
In fact there is no 'addiction' at all in DSMV.
It is now 'use disorder.'
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA -@DMS1974 at January 05, 2016 12:47 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 05, 2016 12:45 PM (4WhSY)
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Oh, them. I got bored with them and bought myself a pretty little pink thing that keeps me safe at night.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 05, 2016 12:47 PM (dFi94)
You pesky people planning for the future and trying to be self sufficient are clearly insane
Stop interfering with the Big Brother who is here to save you from being free
Posted by: ginaswo at January 05, 2016 12:47 PM (qxNrP)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 05, 2016 12:45 PM (4WhSY)
I'm guessing every meeting starts with a reenactment of the "This is my rifle, this is my gun" scene from Full Metal Jacket.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 05, 2016 12:48 PM (GUBah)
As AtC occasionally points out: not too long ago being homosexual (or bisexual) was classified as a major mental illness and would have prevented one from owning a gun.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at January 05, 2016 12:48 PM (kff5f)
The law says this about who must conduct a background check on a gun sale: those who are "engaged in the business" of selling guns must perform background checks, and "engaged in the business" is defined like this:
(21) The term "engaged in the business" means--
...
(C) as applied to a dealer in firearms, as defined in section 921(a)(11)(A), a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms, but such term shall not include a person who makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms;
Posted by: andycanuck at January 05, 2016 12:48 PM (DLIIY)
1. Permit to be free from illegal search and seizure can only be issued to citizens who pay an annual licensing fee and have no mental health issues.
2. Permit to be free from cruel and unusual punishment can only be issued to citizens who don't have a criminal record.
3. Permit to get an EBT card: mental health evaluation, drug test, criminal record check.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 05, 2016 12:48 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Chupacabra at January 05, 2016 12:48 PM (q/kmn)
Posted by: ginaswo at January 05, 2016 12:48 PM (qxNrP)
"Sir, you own all of these guns. What are you afraid of?"
"Not a damn thing."
Reminds me of the Jeff Cooper story where he went somewhere while openly carrying. A woman there asked if he was expecting trouble. He said "No, if I was expecting trouble I'd be carrying a rifle."
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at January 05, 2016 12:48 PM (PFy0L)
Does it take AA batteries or bullets?
Posted by: rickb223 at January 05, 2016 12:49 PM (Yu4ah)
This has been the case since the Gun Control Act of 1968 went into effect.
Posted by: Andy at January 05, 2016 12:49 PM (sspT/)
One thing though, there is no 'internet addiction' in DMSV.
In fact there is no 'addiction' at all in DSMV.
It is now 'use disorder.'
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA -@DMS1974 at January 05, 2016 12:47 PM (fWAjv)
Great. We've eliminated addiction in this country. Yay us!
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 05, 2016 12:49 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 05, 2016 12:50 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA -@DMS1974 at January 05, 2016 12:50 PM (fWAjv)
OK, that makes sense.
Not quite as funny a mental picture as a bunch of armed dudes stacked under your pillow.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 05, 2016 12:50 PM (4WhSY)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 05, 2016 12:40 PM (8ZskC)
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Posted by: @votermom at January 05, 2016 12:50 PM (cbfNE)
The Voices have recommended this for years.
Posted by: Grump928(c) withholds at January 05, 2016 12:34 PM
4 out of 5 of them, anyway.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 05, 2016 12:50 PM (9EDu1)
Posted by: GOP at January 05, 2016 12:51 PM (2X7pN)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 05, 2016 12:49 PM (Yu4ah)
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It has an odd attraction to the number 38.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 05, 2016 12:51 PM (dFi94)
but such term shall not include a person who makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms;
President Penphone just eo'd the second part of that.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 05, 2016 12:51 PM (Yu4ah)
Posted by: ginaswo at January 05, 2016 12:51 PM (qxNrP)
Posted by: sally kohn's rabbi at January 05, 2016 12:52 PM (Wf1ED)
Posted by: Lying Eyes at January 05, 2016 12:52 PM (hrMUT)
Yep.
Which means either this "guidance" is literally nothing new, or the verbiage is meant to hide something much more sinister.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at January 05, 2016 12:52 PM (kff5f)
It's anyone believing that what TFG says is in any fashion related to what he'll do...
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at January 05, 2016 12:52 PM (sdPF/)
After O-Bo care I had docters ask if I owned guns. My response was none of your damn business. My question is how will this effect places like Armslist.com for one.
Posted by: wrg500 at January 05, 2016 12:52 PM (oyjl/)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 05, 2016 12:52 PM (Wf1ED)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA -@DMS1974 at January 05, 2016 12:50 PM (fWAjv)
Blah blah blah. This is double-talk of a piece with "colored people" --> "people of color."
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 05, 2016 12:52 PM (oKE6c)
Barky
King Obama the Golfer
Oblammo
president o'bumbles
Buttercup
The asshole
the idiot
President Princess
Dildobama
SCOAMT.
Posted by: guy who's keeping a list of the dummy's nicknames at January 05, 2016 12:53 PM (HgMAr)
This has been the case since the Gun Control Act of 1968 went into effect.
Posted by: Andy
Correct. What IS in contention is volume.
Is it 1, or more?
Posted by: rickb223 at January 05, 2016 12:53 PM (Yu4ah)
Oh, and the mental health shit. It's for sure going to be abused. Doctors will be able to declare anyone mentally unstable. The part about SS/Medicare recipients assures it.
Posted by: Soona at January 05, 2016 12:53 PM (Fmupd)
I think it's a play to his stupid leftist fanbois who'll say he "did what he could to close the gun show loophole" as part of his legacy.
*Checks CNN*
And it appears to be heading in just that direction.
Posted by: Andy at January 05, 2016 12:54 PM (sspT/)
I'm RWC, and I'm a mild alcohol use disorderer. Welcome to the 1:00pm Tuesday Bright Awakenings Meeting at the HQ.
Who would like to read the 12 principles?
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA -@DMS1974 at January 05, 2016 12:54 PM (fWAjv)
Re-read the EO again and think of ValJar...
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at January 05, 2016 12:54 PM (NHQQx)
Barky
King Obama the Golfer
Oblammo
president o'bumbles
Buttercup
The asshole
the idiot
President Princess
Dildobama
SCOAMT.
Posted by: guy who's keeping a list of the dummy's nicknames at January 05, 2016 12:53 PM (HgMAr)
I believe EoJ called him Lord Rainbowshanks.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 05, 2016 12:55 PM (FsuaD)
vibrate or rotation? The moron's want to know.
Posted by: wrg500 at January 05, 2016 12:55 PM (oyjl/)
After O-Bo care I had docters ask if I owned guns. My response was none of your damn business. My question is how will this effect places like Armslist.com for one.
Posted by: wrg500 at January 05, 2016 12:52 PM (oyjl/)
Ah.... interesting point..
as all third party records are now essentially open to the Feds without a warrant... thanks to RYAN and his omnibus bill...
Posted by: BB Wolf at January 05, 2016 12:55 PM (f7rv6)
Posted by: That guy who always says... at January 05, 2016 12:55 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Lying Eyes at January 05, 2016 12:52 PM (hrMUT)
This.
The leftists push that rubbish as an attempt to burnish the Mocha Messiah's meager intellectual chops.
I read the syllabus of his lectures: it was exclusively devoted to how to game the Constitution to get freebies and other advantages for the FSA. Let's just say the phrase "disparate impact" appeared once or twice. There was nothing regarding the philosophical principles etc. underlying the Constitution.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 05, 2016 12:55 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 05, 2016 12:53 PM (Yu4ah)
Dammit! They said it depends on the circumstances! Now let them be clear!
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA -@DMS1974 at January 05, 2016 12:55 PM (fWAjv)
It's anyone believing that what TFG says is in any fashion related to what he'll do...
If he says he is gonna screw you, believe it. If he says he isn't, believe he will.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 05, 2016 12:55 PM (Yu4ah)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 05, 2016 12:56 PM (4WhSY)
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 05, 2016 12:56 PM (dFi94)
King Obama the Golfer
Oblammo
president o'bumbles
Buttercup
The asshole
the idiot
President Princess
Dildobama
SCOAMT.
Posted by: guy who's keeping a list of the dummy's nicknames at January 05, 2016 12:53 PM (HgMAr)
I believe EoJ called him Lord Rainbowshanks.
President E.O. Penphone
Posted by: rickb223 at January 05, 2016 12:56 PM (Yu4ah)
Posted by: ALH at January 05, 2016 12:56 PM (JrKKc)
Posted by: The Great White Soctsman at January 05, 2016 12:56 PM (iONHu)
You pesky people planning for the future and trying to be self sufficient are clearly insane.
No, not exactly. DSM V lists hoarding as a type of obsessive compulsive disorder. The significant difference between hoarding and prepping is hoarding is the inability to part with items of little to no financial value to the extent that one's living space becomes unusable. Preppers who are not hoarders are collecting items of value and placing them in a safe location without making their living space unusable.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 05, 2016 12:57 PM (jhqr1)
Posted by: Gumby Roberts at January 05, 2016 12:57 PM (oDCMR)
When the majority of doctors are imported from a culture foreign to the concept of liberty all bets are off.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 05, 2016 12:57 PM (FkBIv)
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at January 05, 2016 12:57 PM (NHQQx)
Posted by: Naes at January 05, 2016 12:27 PM (Ypc8j)
Oh yeah. It's what the socialist holy trinity of gender & sex, race, and religion/atheism is all about. Division and conquest.
Now, HOLDING what they've taken... they're shit at that. They're parasitic.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at January 05, 2016 12:58 PM (xuouz)
Posted by: Blanco Basura
Safe and happy are not mutually exclusive.
Posted by: wrg500 at January 05, 2016 12:58 PM (oyjl/)
Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at January 05, 2016 12:58 PM (LYCUN)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at January 05, 2016 12:58 PM (9krrF)
I'll be in the next cell over champ...
dad has my '51 Navy Richards and Masons.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 05, 2016 12:59 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Angela Merkel at January 05, 2016 12:59 PM (lHyWr)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 05, 2016 01:00 PM (Yu4ah)
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 05, 2016 01:00 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Bigby's Butterfingers at January 05, 2016 01:00 PM (3ZtZW)
Do you know where to find it online.
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 05, 2016 01:00 PM (r1fLd)
A) Guns are dangerous because so many people commit suicide with them, according to the president. I would ask, "What is your position on assisted suicide, Mr. President?"
B) Guns are dangerous and if we have the technology to unlock our cellphones with out fingerprint, why not guns? According to the president. I would ask then, "In the event of a break-in, or an abusive husband, or any other self-defense event wherein a gun could be used to prevent an innocent life be taken, should only the person to whom that weapon be digitally assigned be allowed its use? Or would this provision actually encourage people to have more weapons in their homes; potentially one for each adult? And is that preferable to the status quo? Also, if the technology of unlocking your phone fails, it's probably not a life-threatening issue. Self-defense against an invading attacker with a weapon that now requires a battery and computer chip may become significantly less reliable. Again, better or worse than the status quo?
C) I would ask the president to name the top three things in his mind that would disqualify someone from owning a firearm. Then I would ask him if having a child diagnosed with ADHD could potentially be on par with those three items. Should my right to self-defense be infringed because my child may have a mental illness (or worse yet, been diagnosed with a mental illness because her crappy teacher finds it eminently easier to get through her 6 hours of mentoring brats if they're all medicated), just as someone who has committed a gun-felony?
Posted by: bkeyser at January 05, 2016 01:00 PM (l4B3N)
I didn't know there were enough Republicans left in the state to make up a valid sample.
Posted by: despair at January 05, 2016 01:00 PM (VrdxH)
I gave up my 03 FFL license (I was NOT engaged in business) because of increasingly onerous record keeping. I was getting the vibe I could be exposing myself to scrutiny and possible violations, not of intent to commit crimes, but of violations of record keeping. Anybody that has undergone an OSHA, EPA Lead, or a DOT audit know what Im talking about. Youre going to be lucky if you walk away with a small fine. it becomes a cost of doing business.
Except.... where the BATFE is concerned, they WILL throw your ass in the the federal pound me in the ass prison to make a political example of you.
All of this..... because Obama is so scared of gang bangers, drug dealers and terrorists getting their hands on collectible firearms without a background check. When was the last time Acmed shot anybody with a hand engraved silver inlaid Benelli over under woth 3 or 4 grand??
Did you know you can buy antique firearms without a background check?? Did you know you can buy black powder firearms with out a background check????
What about the danger of the Bloods or MS13 making mass purchases of Springfield Carbines or Assault Fintlock pistols???
Fucking stupid is as stupid does.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 05, 2016 01:02 PM (8XRCm)
Do you know where to find it online.
Posted by: Ignoramus
The Screwoff Letters.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 05, 2016 01:02 PM (FkBIv)
Do you know where to find it online.
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 05, 2016 01:00 PM (r1fLd)
Ooh, let me look. I read it before I started keeping track of where I found stuff that I might want to reference in the future.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 05, 2016 01:02 PM (oKE6c)
To start, Ace you are conflating an executive order (broadly speaking as probably he will do the same as the immigration prosecution deferment--simply have the Atty Gen. issue a policy memo) to guide the BATF in determining who is a dealer with BATF rulemaking on the NFA trust issue and individuals acquiring NFA items.These are two separate issues.
Revisions in the rules regarding NFA acquisitions by the BATF has been chugging along for awhile. The NFA deals with weapons and accessories that are forbidden to the hoi polloi without a somewhat tedious process to pay the feds $200 per item and be approved through background checks to get them-- these include automatic weapons, short barrelled rifles and shotguns, or destructive devices--bombs, missiles, grenades etc. and things that launch them such as grenade launchers and the , and firearm suppressors. The rules now clarify that all of the partners in the trust (apparently not the beneficiaries but this is a bit murky) must submit fingerprints, photos, and a new background check every two years. Not sure about existing trusts and grandfathering yet. The old CLEO signoff is not in the NFA itself but was adopted through rulemaking authority of the BATF as part of the Atty Gen (formerly the Sec. of Treasury when the BATF was under them) exercise of the discretionary function of allowing a transfer to take place and the statutory prohibition of certain classes of people such as felons, etc. under the Gun Control Act of 1968 from being recipients of such transfers.
The action on alleged backroom gun dealers apparently is giving policy guidance toward BATF law enforcement and the DOJ that tries to clarify what is a dealer under the Gun Control Act of 1968, Section 21(c) which defines who is and is not considered a dealer. The law itself is silent over the means of the sale but prohibits the BATF from defining as dealers those who are selling off the whole or part of their personal collection, makes an occasional sale, or exchange, and purchasing for the purpose of collecting firearms. To be covered under the act, they must also be aiming to make a profit and/or a livelihood by buying and selling firearms.
A formal rule may be following but any prosecution under a new (currently hypothetical) rule that defines a dealer as someone who buys and sells x amount of guns might be legally suspect in court if a court views it as contradicting the statutory language. As a rule, criminal statutes are to be read strictly and not expansively. Statutes and their included definitions trump agency rulemaking but courts have depending on the issue granted significant leeway through deferring to agency expertise in interpreting and implementing a statute's requirements.
Obama apparently is sidestepping this rulemaking issue by giving "guidance" to the BATF and DOJ prosecutors on who to potentially prosecute. By avoiding giving a clear definition of who could be considered a dealer engraved in the rulemaking process, Obama avoids a court challenge to his actions until someone is prosecuted. It also creates Fear Uncertainty, and Doubt (FUD) among potential buyers and sellers about the legality of these sales which in anti-gunners eyes will reduce the number of these types of gun sales.
Posted by: wg at January 05, 2016 01:02 PM (mlyQI)
4. The Mental Health money will also be used by the VETS ADMIN to
go after Vets who own guns... those with slight cases of PTSD will soon
have no gun rights... because Vets ARE a threat to this administration.
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.They have already been doing that for some time now.
Posted by: The Great White Soctsman at January 05, 2016 01:03 PM (iONHu)
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 05, 2016 01:03 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Bigby's Butterfingers at January 05, 2016 01:03 PM (3ZtZW)
Yep, it's there on my doctor's form - 'Guns in home' checkbox. No doubt it's a checkbox in Obamacare required EMR.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 05, 2016 01:03 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at January 05, 2016 12:58 PM (9krrF)
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Nope. Still considered a transfer.
Ill visit you in prison and will try to smuggle you in some Prep H. Or KY.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 05, 2016 01:04 PM (8XRCm)
OK, champ. Let's start with the guns carried by your Secret Service detail.
Posted by: Andy at January 05, 2016 01:04 PM (sspT/)
Do you know where to find it online.
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 05, 2016 01:00 PM (r1fLd)
Here ya go: http://www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/2008OBAMA_LAW/Obama_CoursePk.pdf
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 05, 2016 01:04 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 05, 2016 01:04 PM (gf8BH)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has Overstocked! Cranky-Pants and Grumpy Sweaters Buy 1 Get 1 Free! at January 05, 2016 01:05 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Angela Merkel at January 05, 2016 01:05 PM (lHyWr)
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As good a summary as any.
Posted by: SH at January 05, 2016 01:05 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 05, 2016 01:06 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 05, 2016 01:04 PM (gf8BH)
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Hell.... I had that many in just my truck.... before that unfortunate canoeing accident, of course.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 05, 2016 01:06 PM (8XRCm)
What do you think is going to happen in the USA when a doctor doesn't correctly predict a gun related murder?
Posted by: Brian_AL at January 05, 2016 01:06 PM (x2bTX)
Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at January 05, 2016 01:06 PM (LYCUN)
I can apply F32.8 to your list of diagnosis codes and you are now labeled with depression. Bye bye to your 2nd amendment rights.
Posted by: Aviator at January 05, 2016 01:06 PM (b3p08)
And the EO doesn't change that. Because there's some gray in the statutory language, ATF can bring an action for a single sale for profit that uses the internet. That's a stretched reading that should be shot down by a court, but you were at risk before the EO and have the same risk after the EO.
Larger issue is that gun law is fraught with felony penalties over technical violations which are often enforced by vindictive LE and prosecutors.
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 05, 2016 01:06 PM (r1fLd)
Posted by: Angela Merkel at January 05, 2016 01:05 PM (lHyWr)
My grandma could yodel. You don't hear a lot of yodeling now days.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 05, 2016 01:07 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Buffalbob at January 05, 2016 01:07 PM (8nL8o)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 05, 2016 01:07 PM (gf8BH)
Posted by: Angela Merkel at January 05, 2016 01:05 PM (lHyWr)
I take back that backrub I gave you.
Posted by: W at January 05, 2016 01:07 PM (Dj0WE)
I wonder if CiC Prissypants will shed a tear?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 05, 2016 01:07 PM (FsuaD)
Do you know where to find it online.
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 05, 2016 01:00 PM (r1fLd)
Ooh, let me look. I read it before I started keeping track of where I found stuff that I might want to reference in the future.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 05, 2016 01:02 PM (oKE6c)
This?
http://tinyurl.com/3l6ohz
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA -@DMS1974 at January 05, 2016 01:07 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Angela Merkel at January 05, 2016 01:07 PM (lHyWr)
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Not just gun law.
This is why common law is better than civil law.
Posted by: SH at January 05, 2016 01:08 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 05, 2016 01:08 PM (gf8BH)
1. Permit to be free from illegal search and seizure can only be issued to citizens who pay an annual licensing fee and have no mental health issues.
2. Permit to be free from cruel and unusual punishment can only be issued to citizens who don't have a criminal record.
Posted by: Furious George at January 05, 2016 12:35 PM (3GAnN)
I see no way that could possibly go wrong.
Posted by: rickl at January 05, 2016 01:08 PM (zoehZ)
I didn't know there were enough Republicans left in the state to make up a valid sample.
Posted by: despair at January 05, 2016 01:00 PM (VrdxH)
We both chose him.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 05, 2016 01:08 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 05, 2016 01:08 PM (r1fLd)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA -@DMS1974 at January 05, 2016 01:08 PM (fWAjv)
So basically he taught that America is racist and so are our immigration policies.
Quelle surprise!
Posted by: Jackstraw at January 05, 2016 01:08 PM (/tuJf)
Remember this: Obama always over-promises and under-delivers.
Altgeld Gardens. Annennberg Challenge. ObamaCare.
All part of the same pattern of behavior.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has Overstocked! Cranky-Pants and Grumpy Sweaters Buy 1 Get 1 Free! at January 05, 2016 01:08 PM (hLRSq)
I wonder if CiC Prissypants will shed a tear?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 05, 2016 01:07 PM (FsuaD)
I am sure he could not give a rat's ass, or he would not leave them there with no real mission and not real protection
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 05, 2016 01:08 PM (gf8BH)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA -@DMS1974 at January 05, 2016 01:10 PM (fWAjv)
There's plenty to clean up for the next guy, let's hope we don't elect some big mouth carnival barker or Hillary.
Posted by: Adjoran at January 05, 2016 01:10 PM (QIQ6j)
Probably already stated. The waiving of state requirements is to grow the size of Daddy Government.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 05, 2016 01:10 PM (/fW7M)
Posted by: ALH at January 05, 2016 12:56 PM (JrKKc)
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He's got a year left. That's a very long time in the Fredo dimension. The destruction is going to amaze you.
Posted by: Soona at January 05, 2016 01:11 PM (Fmupd)
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 05, 2016 01:07 PM (dFi94)
RIIIIIIICOOOOOOLLLAAAAAA!
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has Overstocked! Cranky-Pants and Grumpy Sweaters Buy 1 Get 1 Free! at January 05, 2016 01:11 PM (hLRSq)
I am sure he could not give a rat's ass, or he would not leave them there with no real mission and not real protection
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 05, 2016 01:08 PM (gf8BH)
My son is still furious over the ROE they had to deal with. When I think of the lives lost and bodies and minds damaged, and Barry doesn't give a damn, it makes me physically sick.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 05, 2016 01:11 PM (FsuaD)
Iceberg right ahead, and mark that twain!
//Captain Billy Ayers
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 05, 2016 01:11 PM (g8Hfr)
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Im good with that. It SHOULD be up to the States. Its a matter of the 10th Ammendment.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
Posted by: fixerupper at January 05, 2016 01:12 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Northernlurker at January 05, 2016 01:12 PM (4rzL1)
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at January 05, 2016 01:12 PM (uiVGU)
Posted by: Bob at NSA at January 05, 2016 01:12 PM (oyjl/)
===
Also: Liberals always achieve the opposite of what their stated intent is.
Posted by: Bigby's Butterfingers at January 05, 2016 01:12 PM (3ZtZW)
I wonder if CiC Prissypants will shed a tear?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 05, 2016 01:07 PM (FsuaD)
I am sure he could not give a rat's ass, or he would not leave them there with no real mission and not real protection
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 05, 2016 01:08 PM (gf8BH)
This is as good a measure of how far we have fallen as any. American servicemen in harm's way... for what? Why are they still there? What's the mission?
How can the American people have fallen asleep so deeply, so fast? We're no longer even aware of where our men are, let alone what they are doing, to whom, or with what goal in mind.
Endless war is a dream of lefties. Orwell was not a condemnation to them, it was a roadmap.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 05, 2016 01:12 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 05, 2016 01:13 PM (KCQo0)
Posted by: Chupacabra at January 05, 2016 01:13 PM (q/kmn)
Sven throws a "Federalist argument where none is justified" flag...
Joe Bag'O'Doughnuts ATF state/regional director is NOT in fact the people of a state "deciding" the dividing line....
it is an unelected asshammer from DC doing it.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 05, 2016 01:13 PM (g8Hfr)
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
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So let the states define who a hobbyist/collector is?
Posted by: SH at January 05, 2016 01:13 PM (gmeXX)
With them Dogma Uber Alles.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 05, 2016 01:13 PM (/fW7M)
You should hear Barry when I give it to him hard and deep.
Posted by: Reggie at January 05, 2016 01:14 PM (b3p08)
Posted by: Chupacabra at January 05, 2016 01:13 PM (q/kmn)
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Thats $600 hundert in just the tax. And probably MONTHS of waiting.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 05, 2016 01:14 PM (8XRCm)
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Im good with that. It SHOULD be up to the States. Its a matter of the 10th Ammendment.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
Posted by: fixerupper
If it WAS left up to the states, there would be no BATFUCK.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 05, 2016 01:14 PM (Yu4ah)
Ty for clarification
I'd rather not have anyone decide my vast collection of Schlitz cans make me unfit to retain my natural and civil rights
What Manhattan osteopath and Apache Junction family doc consider appropriate amount of ammo laid aside is sure to differ
Posted by: ginaswo at January 05, 2016 01:15 PM (qxNrP)
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 05, 2016 01:00 PM (dFi94)
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Exactly
Posted by: @votermom at January 05, 2016 01:15 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: redbanzai at January 05, 2016 01:15 PM (OrI3J)
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046
Posted by: Bubba at January 05, 2016 01:15 PM (UMwRk)
Again what is happening here is a GS-15 or SES 1 or 2 is "deciding" not the elected government of the state of "insert X"...
Ogabe is engaged in the very antithesis of Federalism.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 05, 2016 01:15 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Jon Cary at January 05, 2016 01:16 PM (OBp0J)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA -@DMS1974 at January 05, 2016 01:10 PM (fWAjv)
More likely it was completely plagiarized from whoever was the previous lecturer.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 05, 2016 01:16 PM (GUBah)
Or you're missing something.
Camel's nose, tent, some dissembly required...
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at January 05, 2016 01:16 PM (Kucy5)
Posted by: Chupacabra at January 05, 2016 01:16 PM (q/kmn)
Posted by: Joe Biden at January 05, 2016 01:17 PM (8ZskC)
Do you agree that issuing an EO on how to interpret the statutory definition is usurping the roles of courts, Congress and the ATF's rulemaking authority (if it has any here, as I'm not sure whether any rulemaking authority was given to the ATF on this point).
If Obama can issue an EO on how to read a statute here, why not elsewhere? Who needs courts?
My understanding is that EOs should be limited to things within the Presidential prerogative. e.g. Truman could (and did) issue an EO desegregating the military because he was Commander in Chief.
Which is why the Illegal Immigrant EOs are unconstitutional.
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 05, 2016 01:17 PM (r1fLd)
Posted by: SH at January 05, 2016 01:13 PM (gmeXX)
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Why not? Cuz the fed is doing such a bang up job?
Its also expressly written that way in the Constitution, specifically the tenth ammendment. There is no provisario for federal firearms regulation in the Constitution.
Not that we use it much anymore.... but The Constitution was written that way.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 05, 2016 01:17 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 05, 2016 01:17 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 05, 2016 01:17 PM (Yu4ah)
Posted by: scorecard at January 05, 2016 01:18 PM (HSAmh)
Posted by: Chupacabra at January 05, 2016 01:18 PM (q/kmn)
Posted by: Speaker Ryan at January 05, 2016 01:18 PM (LYCUN)
http://www.ufunk.net/en/star-wars/star-wars-vii-cross-sections/
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 05, 2016 01:19 PM (/fW7M)
Your medical privacy is sacred. There is nothing that shouldn't be shared in strict confidence between you, your doctor and Lois Lerner.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 05, 2016 01:19 PM (8ZskC)
A couple times a year or so, I find an underpriced gun and resell it after playing with it to make some extra spending cash.
The guidance isn't there. Am I in business of selling guns because I regularly do this or am I not in the business of selling guns because I seldom do this?
Guess I'll have to pay a lawyer some day to find out.
Posted by: doug at January 05, 2016 01:19 PM (L4wsv)
Various mid-level Secret Service types, a few interns and Bob at Kinkos at well...
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 05, 2016 01:20 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 05, 2016 01:19 PM (8ZskC)
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Yeah.... about that.
Posted by: Rush Limbaugh at January 05, 2016 01:20 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: wrg500 at January 05, 2016 01:21 PM (oyjl/)
The work around I have always used is either selling to a gunsmith with a 3 as intermediary or having the 3 run the background check for a fee and filling out a 4473....
this is Ogabe attacking a largely imaginary dragon so he doesn't have to confront the real menace behind the curtain...
his cousin Pookie selling out of his trunk.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 05, 2016 01:22 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 05, 2016 01:22 PM (/fW7M)
My understanding is that EOs should be limited to things within the
Presidential prerogative. e.g. Truman could (and did) issue an EO
desegregating the military because he was Commander in Chief.
Which is why the Illegal Immigrant EOs are unconstitutional.
.
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.It's not an EO it is an Executive Action. There is a difference, executive actions are not legally binding. And issuing an EA versus an EO is pretty much a cop out for Obama.
Posted by: The Great White Soctsman at January 05, 2016 01:22 PM (iONHu)
A couple times a year or so, I find an underpriced gun and resell it after playing with it to make some extra spending cash.
The guidance isn't there. Am I in business of selling guns because I regularly do this or am I not in the business of selling guns because I seldom do this?
Guess I'll have to pay a lawyer some day to find out.
Posted by: doug at January 05, 2016 01:19 PM (L4wsv)
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See Doug.... let me be clear.
YOU are the reason mass shooting in this country are so out of control. YOU are the reason terrorists hate our country so much. YOU are the reason that Congress will not enact simple gun safety legislation.
Which is EXACTLY why Im going to go around Congress and do it on my own. I have a phone.... and I have a pen.
Remember Doug..... YOU made me do this. For the children.
Posted by: President Barrack Obama at January 05, 2016 01:23 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: HillbillyKing at January 05, 2016 01:23 PM (r/BaX)
right...or the 7 times in the last 12 years the Feds have sent the 10077 family redassed letters "apologizing" that they lost control of our SocSec #s and data under the auspices of Tricare...
but yeah the Feral government totes pinky swears "if you like your doctor/patient privilege you can keep your ...what? screw you peasant..."
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at January 05, 2016 01:24 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA -@DMS1974 at January 05, 2016 01:24 PM (fWAjv)
People need to remind everyone of this. The man is heartless and cold.
Posted by: Cheri at January 05, 2016 01:24 PM (oiNtH)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA -@DMS1974 at January 05, 2016 01:25 PM (fWAjv)
shared in strict confidence between you, your doctor and Lois Lerner.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 05, 2016 01:19 PM (8ZskC)
You left out half of China.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 05, 2016 01:26 PM (oKE6c)
No mention of it through 112 comments?
Shocked face.@
Posted by: teej at January 05, 2016 01:26 PM (wedOa)
Posted by: Chupacabra at January 05, 2016 01:26 PM (q/kmn)
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Posted by: wrg500 at January 05, 2016 01:21 PM (oyjl/)
NSFW would be nice.
For others I mean.
Muchos gracias!!
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA -@DMS1974 at January 05, 2016 01:26 PM (fWAjv)
Too bad his mom was punished with one. Strongest argument for abortion I've ever heard.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 05, 2016 01:27 PM (oKE6c)
*thud*
"I'm from the government and here to help." - "The seven scariest words..." Ronald Reagan.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 05, 2016 01:27 PM (/fW7M)
Obamacare Hub. The largest federal db ever that links medical records to other systems, such as IRS, Social Security, etc.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 05, 2016 01:27 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Soona at January 05, 2016 01:28 PM (Fmupd)
Posted by: tommylotto at January 05, 2016 01:28 PM (4Kwb9)
Those are suitable anywhere. Anyways, better than the spiders I use to post, lol.
Posted by: wrg500 at January 05, 2016 01:29 PM (oyjl/)
Thanks for the clarification. This really is a nothing burger.
On the last Illegal Immigration action he took, Obama didn't even do an EA. He had the DHS head issue a memo, but most of the news outlets called it an EO.
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 05, 2016 01:29 PM (r1fLd)
family redassed letters "apologizing" that they lost control of our
SocSec #s and data under the auspices of Tricare...
but yeah the
Feral government totes pinky swears "if you like your doctor/patient
privilege you can keep your ...what? screw you peasant..."
.
.
.And for some reason Tricare is still using Social Security numbers all these years after the law was changed and forced them to issue and use a DOD ID number to all beneficiaries. I found that out last week when my Doctor sent me a bill that had my SS# on it as my Health Insruance Claim #. I called them and asked where they got my SS # because I refused to provide it to them from the get go. They said Tricare gave it to them.
Posted by: The Great White Soctsman at January 05, 2016 01:29 PM (iONHu)
On the last Illegal Immigration action he took, Obama didn't even do
an EA. He had the DHS head issue a memo, but most of the news outlets
called it an EO.
.
.
.That's exactly why he does these things. No on can sue and get the EO overturned quickly, they have to take the lengthy trip through the Courts for everything to get cancelled.
Posted by: The Great White Soctsman at January 05, 2016 01:30 PM (iONHu)
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Obozo has a history of 'amending' his fiats to suit his taste.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 05, 2016 01:32 PM (oFSUK)
This will foster in them a respect for the rule of law, and a love for their new homeland.
Posted by: Angela Merkel at January 05, 2016 01:32 PM (lHyWr)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/jlblqx3
And I should get back to writing. Need to slap down an obnoxious FBI agent in a way only he'll understand. Tag team between a lawyer and his supervisor. If he fails to get a clue, he still might be found hog-tied in the Cow Palace in SF.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 05, 2016 01:32 PM (/fW7M)
Exactly the approach I would use in foreign policy. Don't draw a clear line; indicate that at some point doing the sorts of things you're doing now is gonna piss us off, and we're gonna do something you're really not gonna like.
I call it the "minefield strategy." If you know exactly where the minefield starts, you can dance right on the edge. When you're not sure, you're going to give the whole thing a wide berth.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 05, 2016 01:32 PM (oKE6c)
How do they rationalize this vis-a-vis the Second Amendment ?
(I know - 'rational' is not something used to describe the left)
Posted by: McCool at January 05, 2016 01:38 PM (nCSwS)
Posted by: Sally Kohn at January 05, 2016 01:38 PM (lHyWr)
to force doctors to report patients with "mental illness" to the feds so
that their names can be added to the NICS list. The SS Administration
will be reporting people who need help handling their finances or need
other help "due to subnormal intelligence or disease" as incompetent to
own firearms (as the VA has been trying to do to veterans).
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I agree. Is there a physician or a practice (not to mention government-dependent private health-care corporations) who could withstand the legal and possibly criminal liability if the attending doc deliberately or negligently didn't report the mental condition of a patient before that patient used a firearm in a crime?
Posted by: mrp at January 05, 2016 01:38 PM (JBggj)
for reasons I can only imagine are pure incompetence on Obama's part
(that is, he couldn't possibly intend to harass gun-owners less)."
No, he's just realized that an increasing number of local LEOs like Detroit's police chief are encouraging citizens to arm themselves and aren't the reliable deniers they were in the past.
Posted by: SDN at January 05, 2016 01:47 PM (Y+SJ+)
I guess this will keep grandmas, who have their finances overseen by children, from becoming mass murderers.
I also do not understand how HIPPA regs can be overthrown by this...and doctor/patient confidentiality.
But, what do I know? I do know, OT, that the pervert Polanski is even more vile and evil after reading how he treated Sharon Tate. I do know that Billz, Hilz husband, is more vile and rapey after reading some stuff on his lip biting (four at my count) of women who were not thrilled with his Peyronie's. I do know I need to buy groceries today. xoxo
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at January 05, 2016 01:52 PM (7lqMl)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at January 05, 2016 01:54 PM (7lqMl)
Anytime a politician you like proposes an executive order - imagine that same power in the hands of one that you loath.
The problem is Power.
Not to mention. It would be great to see an executive branch executing the law (it's job), not writing law (congress' job).
FFS.
Posted by: adc at January 05, 2016 02:02 PM (p580n)
Some people buy a gun, shoot it a few times, and aren't pleased with it. They put it for sale or trade online so they can try out something else they'd like. The same is true for most of the members. It's perfectly legal, and you don't have to sell to someone you think shouldn't be carrying a gun.
If such buy/sell/trade becomes illegal, then you have to take it to Bass Pro or Cabelas for a $50 transfer, and neither party wants to pony it up.
This is America, where the Constitution operates under the assumption that you're a law-abiding citizen until proven otherwise, and the average man is intelligent enough to refuse sale to unsavory people.
Posted by: unfatmatt at January 05, 2016 02:04 PM (ofDwz)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at January 05, 2016 02:06 PM (7lqMl)
Posted by: nip at January 05, 2016 02:25 PM (tp5vm)
Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at January 05, 2016 02:27 PM (4KoRb)
70
He's crying. There are tears rolling down his girly cheeks. I don't know why but this walking embarrassment to the country is crying.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 05, 2016 12:08 PM (493sH
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Herpes flare up.
Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at January 05, 2016 02:31 PM (/f6Nd)
Posted by: skzion at January 05, 2016 02:48 PM (9C0d4)
...putting aside the facts that: (1) this thing is a charade predicated on fraud to serve an ulterior motive; (2) it will not provide one drop in the Bucket of Results as to protection for innocents; (3) it is a calculated distraction from his MENA fuckup/domestice woes; and, (4) that the lazy, race-baiting America hating shirt lifting Julie boy does not care a flippin' whit about gun violence victims-- save for using them as she did today.
Posted by: oddnot not liking these times at January 05, 2016 03:16 PM (g1MTt)
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