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I've seen art and heard music that I know in my heart came directly from Divine Inspiration. I can usually tell by the fact that I am immediately overcome by tears. No man-derived art or sculpture or song does that to me.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 02, 2016 11:59 AM (dFi94)
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Mary certainly aged well...
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at January 02, 2016 11:59 AM (7dHTB)
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The music of Palestrina is pretty good proof of God. That such beauty could be created in service of "nothing" seems impossible.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 02, 2016 12:00 PM (wZtOw)
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Where does art of this caliber happen today?
Posted by: skip at January 02, 2016 12:00 PM (C1Suc)
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Handel's Messiah is pretty impressive too.
https://youtu.be/AZTZRtRFkvk?t=8582
https://youtu.be/AZTZRtRFkvk?t=8582
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at January 02, 2016 12:01 PM (7dHTB)
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The Virgin Mary formed of elephant dung has to be right up there, yes?
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 02, 2016 12:02 PM (rwI+c)
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Beautiful
Posted by: chemjeff at January 02, 2016 12:04 PM (uZNvH)
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Handel's Messiah is pretty impressive too.
https://youtu.be/AZTZRtRFkvk?t=8582
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at January 02, 2016 12:01 PM (7dHTB)
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I cry pretty much through the whole thing, particularly "I Know My Reedemer Liveth" and "He Shall Feed His Flock".
https://youtu.be/AZTZRtRFkvk?t=8582
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at January 02, 2016 12:01 PM (7dHTB)
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I cry pretty much through the whole thing, particularly "I Know My Reedemer Liveth" and "He Shall Feed His Flock".
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 02, 2016 12:04 PM (dFi94)
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I think I've mentioned this before, but when I went to Florence, Italy, and saw Michelangelo's statue of David, I wept on and on. I could scarcely take it in.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 02, 2016 12:07 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Yowling Cat in Heat at January 02, 2016 12:07 PM (KUa85)
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I guess the connection between human achievement and the divine is in the eye of the beholder.
Sinners produce great art, and saints are at times, pedestrian bores. I believe the connection to God's hand is much much less direct than to say great works of religious art is a sign of anything other than that humans were and are incredibly complex organisms, in a universe that didn't just happen to occur by accident.
Sinners produce great art, and saints are at times, pedestrian bores. I believe the connection to God's hand is much much less direct than to say great works of religious art is a sign of anything other than that humans were and are incredibly complex organisms, in a universe that didn't just happen to occur by accident.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 02, 2016 12:10 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 02, 2016 12:11 PM (dFi94)
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4 Where does art of this caliber happen today?
While not showcasing specifically Christian art, this site rewards exploration: http://www.artrenewal.org
While not showcasing specifically Christian art, this site rewards exploration: http://www.artrenewal.org
Posted by: In the bunker at January 02, 2016 12:12 PM (pnRrB)
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Yeah, Islamic art is kinda pretty in a decorative sense, but it's basically just themeless test patterns.
Posted by: gp at January 02, 2016 12:13 PM (mk9aG)
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Rich patrons demanded high standards and beauty of their sponsored artists. The best art survived longer, as it was prized and protected.
We have a few craftsman in today's world, but for the most part, Sturgeons' Law applies.
We have a few craftsman in today's world, but for the most part, Sturgeons' Law applies.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 02, 2016 12:13 PM (u82oZ)
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The Catholic Church blew it when they got rid of all the beautiful sacred music. My friends and I still talk about how being in the choir was a wonderful, transcendent experience. We would look out at the people, and they would have tears in their eyes.
I have to go to Pandora and click on traditional Christmas carols to hear it any more.
I have to go to Pandora and click on traditional Christmas carols to hear it any more.
Posted by: Call Me Cynical at January 02, 2016 12:13 PM (cHuNI)
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Some equally impressive "art" is the mountains and lakes and the world around us. The hand of the Creator? I certainly hope so.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 02, 2016 12:14 PM (08Znv)
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In defense of Jews, aren't they forbidden from engaging in sculpture? That whole "graven images" thing.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at January 02, 2016 12:14 PM (1ijHg)
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A good friend of mine, a mezzo soprano, sang the Ave Maria at a good another friend's funeral. She sang from the choir loft accompanied by a massive pipe organ - it was a surprise, no one knew she was going to sing.
It was one of the most emotional experiences of my life, like being hit with a baseball bat. We were all reduced to tears.
It was one of the most emotional experiences of my life, like being hit with a baseball bat. We were all reduced to tears.
Posted by: turfmann at January 02, 2016 12:14 PM (QHOa0)
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at January 02, 2016 12:14 PM (7dHTB)
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Angelicus...
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at January 02, 2016 12:15 PM (7dHTB)
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"basically just themeless test patterns." Kinda like what you see when you close your eyes and press on your eyelids for a couple minutes.
Posted by: gp at January 02, 2016 12:15 PM (mk9aG)
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I don't know, the flag of ISIS- the only piece of art created in the Arab world this century, I believe- with its calligraphy is pretty compelling! (Sorry, Barack, Apes In The Grotto was created too early for consideration in this list)
Posted by: t-bird at January 02, 2016 12:15 PM (oFSUK)
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18 In defense of Jews, aren't they forbidden from engaging in sculpture? That whole "graven images" thing.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at January 02, 2016 12:14 PM (1ijHg)
Golden calves and all that...
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at January 02, 2016 12:14 PM (1ijHg)
Golden calves and all that...
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at January 02, 2016 12:16 PM (7dHTB)
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Hey, what about Islam?
And that early morning call to prayer thingy?
I think that's awesome.
Posted by: Yowling Cat in Heat at January 02, 2016 12:07 PM (KUa85)
That's what is so incredibly telling about the Obama comment. As an objective observation, you would find it difficult for anyone to hear that sound as anything other than a perfunctory, task-oriented function.
Anyone who has ever heard a Catholic mass knows the Priest is required to sing certain portions of the rite. It's really not all THAT different a sound from the Muslim call to prayer. Yet it really doesn't matter if the Priest has a nice voice or not, it's essentially irrelevant.
To hear that call to prayer as "beautiful," or to hear the Catholic Priest's recitation of the liturgy as some sort of moving "song" requires you to have bought into the meaning behind it. It's really not possible to think of it any other way.
And that early morning call to prayer thingy?
I think that's awesome.
Posted by: Yowling Cat in Heat at January 02, 2016 12:07 PM (KUa85)
That's what is so incredibly telling about the Obama comment. As an objective observation, you would find it difficult for anyone to hear that sound as anything other than a perfunctory, task-oriented function.
Anyone who has ever heard a Catholic mass knows the Priest is required to sing certain portions of the rite. It's really not all THAT different a sound from the Muslim call to prayer. Yet it really doesn't matter if the Priest has a nice voice or not, it's essentially irrelevant.
To hear that call to prayer as "beautiful," or to hear the Catholic Priest's recitation of the liturgy as some sort of moving "song" requires you to have bought into the meaning behind it. It's really not possible to think of it any other way.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 02, 2016 12:16 PM (TOk1P)
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That morning call to prayer . . .
Posted by: Barky the magnificent at January 02, 2016 12:16 PM (AryUq)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at January 02, 2016 12:17 PM (1ijHg)
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I'm a Western Civ girl all the way. Nothing is more beautiful than the music of the 18th-19th centuries and art of the Renaissance.
I just don't like most of the art, music, food of places like the ME or India. The ME does have some nice ancient poetry though. That's about it for me.
I just don't like most of the art, music, food of places like the ME or India. The ME does have some nice ancient poetry though. That's about it for me.
Posted by: PJ at January 02, 2016 12:17 PM (cHuNI)
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Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at January 02, 2016 12:14 PM (1ijHg)
Pretty much. Iconography is frowned on. But Jewish intellectual and emotional power has been focused on other things throughout the years. I don't think it is just the prohibition against icons....
Pretty much. Iconography is frowned on. But Jewish intellectual and emotional power has been focused on other things throughout the years. I don't think it is just the prohibition against icons....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 02, 2016 12:17 PM (Zu3d9)
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Most of Bach's work was dedicated to the Glory of God. Also, most of Bach's work is pretty amazing.
Felix Mendelssohn, grandson of a Jewish philosopher, saved much of Bach's work from being used as butcher paper.
Felix Mendelssohn, grandson of a Jewish philosopher, saved much of Bach's work from being used as butcher paper.
Posted by: KT at January 02, 2016 12:18 PM (qahv/)
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Hey, what about Islam?
And that early morning call to prayer thingy?
I think that's awesome.
So much so that Liam Neeson is considering becoming a Moslem because the call to prayer "spoke to his soul," or something. *sigh*
Hey, what about Islam?
And that early morning call to prayer thingy?
I think that's awesome.
So much so that Liam Neeson is considering becoming a Moslem because the call to prayer "spoke to his soul," or something. *sigh*
Posted by: California Girl at January 02, 2016 12:19 PM (l+qoZ)
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Where does art of this caliber happen today?
I believe it still happens, it's just not always famous.
Here are some pictures I took at an art gallery in Naples FL a few years ago. I forget the name of the artist, but it's some of the most stunning sculpture I've seen.
http://prufrocksmermaid.blogspot.com/2016/01/naples-bronze.html
Click on the picture to see all four bronzes.
[I put the link in his nic...these are worth looking at! (CBD)]
I believe it still happens, it's just not always famous.
Here are some pictures I took at an art gallery in Naples FL a few years ago. I forget the name of the artist, but it's some of the most stunning sculpture I've seen.
http://prufrocksmermaid.blogspot.com/2016/01/naples-bronze.html
Click on the picture to see all four bronzes.
[I put the link in his nic...these are worth looking at! (CBD)]
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 02, 2016 12:19 PM (1xUj/)
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"Where does art of this caliber happen today?"
Skip, the mainstream visual arts are pretty much a total loss, having been borged by the Left's culture machine. However, there are contemporary religious artists outside the "mainstream", who do magnificent work.
One of my favorites, Meltem Aktas, is a young Turkish-American woman based in Chicago who paints in the iconographic style of the Byzantine church:
http://www.imagoicons.com/gallery.html
In recent years, she painted the works in a shrine of American saints which can be seen in St. Barnabas Catholic Church, which is in Chicago's Beverly neighborhood, on the far south side. The shrine displays portraits of six American Catholic saints, painted by Aktas in the Byzantine style. I find it deeply moving, and deeply spiritual.
http://www.stbarnabasparish.org/worship/shrine1.aspx
The reproductions here are good, but to truly appreciate these near life-size paintings, them, you have to see them in person.
There are other artists who do work of this caliber. They're not going to be famous, because they do not defame religion; you have to look for them. Some day, I predict that they will be well known, but like the Prophet whom they honor, they will not be known in their own time.
Skip, the mainstream visual arts are pretty much a total loss, having been borged by the Left's culture machine. However, there are contemporary religious artists outside the "mainstream", who do magnificent work.
One of my favorites, Meltem Aktas, is a young Turkish-American woman based in Chicago who paints in the iconographic style of the Byzantine church:
http://www.imagoicons.com/gallery.html
In recent years, she painted the works in a shrine of American saints which can be seen in St. Barnabas Catholic Church, which is in Chicago's Beverly neighborhood, on the far south side. The shrine displays portraits of six American Catholic saints, painted by Aktas in the Byzantine style. I find it deeply moving, and deeply spiritual.
http://www.stbarnabasparish.org/worship/shrine1.aspx
The reproductions here are good, but to truly appreciate these near life-size paintings, them, you have to see them in person.
There are other artists who do work of this caliber. They're not going to be famous, because they do not defame religion; you have to look for them. Some day, I predict that they will be well known, but like the Prophet whom they honor, they will not be known in their own time.
Posted by: Brown Line at January 02, 2016 12:20 PM (a5bF3)
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The best is yet to come:
But as it is written, "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no mind has imagined the things that God has prepared for those who love him."
~ 1 Corinthians 2:9
But as it is written, "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no mind has imagined the things that God has prepared for those who love him."
~ 1 Corinthians 2:9
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 02, 2016 12:20 PM (dFi94)
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It was a sacred task, for artists of deep faith to create a religious artwork, and they did it for the greater glory of God.
Posted by: artemis at January 02, 2016 12:20 PM (AwPyG)
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So much so that Liam Neeson is considering becoming a Moslem because the call to prayer "spoke to his soul," or something.
That, and the murder.
That, and the murder.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value at January 02, 2016 12:22 PM (rwI+c)
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Per Dennis Prager: The rise of secularism and Leftism can be tied to the decline of art. Artists no longer ponder the great questions of life.
Posted by: Lou at January 02, 2016 12:23 PM (I92iB)
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It's important to that many of these amazing works were produced through Christian devotion -- a way to express their love of God through their works.
Other religions prohibit depictions and acts of devotion never manifest themselves in such ways.
Other religions prohibit depictions and acts of devotion never manifest themselves in such ways.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 02, 2016 12:23 PM (KQTmr)
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Where does art of this caliber happen today?
Go to youtube.
Search for Katy Perry videos.
Turn off the sound.
Go to youtube.
Search for Katy Perry videos.
Turn off the sound.
Posted by: Snoodling Hero Emeritus at January 02, 2016 12:23 PM (k9qR4)
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This is something that I've always wondered about. Do the Muzzies have great art? They have abstract art, patterns and stuff, and I'm told that poetry is something that they aspire to, but where are the great works of art, the music, the paintings? Architecturally there are some fantastic looking mosques, so I guess they got that going for them, but a religion that doesn't inspire magnificent music and breathtaking masterpieces is lacking because it obviously isn't nurturing the soul.
Posted by: Weirddave at January 02, 2016 12:23 PM (N8hFs)
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So much so that Liam Neeson is considering becoming a Moslem because the call to prayer "spoke to his soul," or something.
That, and the murder.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value
The murder? What am I missing?
So much so that Liam Neeson is considering becoming a Moslem because the call to prayer "spoke to his soul," or something.
That, and the murder.
Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie!, with purchase of commenter of equal or greater value
The murder? What am I missing?
Posted by: California Girl at January 02, 2016 12:23 PM (l+qoZ)
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"Most of Bach's work was dedicated to the Glory of God." Even in the secular works you hear it. To me, the Toccata and Fugue in D minor expresses the power of the Creator, and the cadenza of the fifth Brandenburg Concerto hints at the ecstasy of religious experience.
Posted by: gp at January 02, 2016 12:24 PM (mk9aG)
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Artificial Intelligence.
Artificial Culture.
Contemporary humans are overstimulated with incessant crap and can no longer think or create with any genuine purity or intensity.
Imagine the 'wise men' of today drafting the Constitution?
Artificial Culture.
Contemporary humans are overstimulated with incessant crap and can no longer think or create with any genuine purity or intensity.
Imagine the 'wise men' of today drafting the Constitution?
Posted by: ouch at January 02, 2016 12:26 PM (40IrJ)
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Sinners produce great art,
Posted by: BurtTC at January 02, 2016 12:10 PM (TOk1P)
Perhaps it's the subject matter moreso than the artist.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 02, 2016 12:10 PM (TOk1P)
Perhaps it's the subject matter moreso than the artist.
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at January 02, 2016 12:26 PM (O4NI/)
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What? No mention of my religous-themed works?
Posted by: Peter Maxx at January 02, 2016 12:26 PM (QWiro)
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Go to youtube.
Search for Katy Perry videos.
Turn off the sound.
Posted by: Snoodling Hero Emeritus at January 02, 2016 12:23 PM (k9qR4)
As we are always reminded whenever her name comes up: One must also turn off the knowledge that she was forked by that gross, disgusting English tosser who used to be male hoar or something.
Search for Katy Perry videos.
Turn off the sound.
Posted by: Snoodling Hero Emeritus at January 02, 2016 12:23 PM (k9qR4)
As we are always reminded whenever her name comes up: One must also turn off the knowledge that she was forked by that gross, disgusting English tosser who used to be male hoar or something.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 02, 2016 12:26 PM (TOk1P)
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Weirddave just put into words what I was thinking, but could not have expressed anywhere near as well.
Posted by: PaleRider at January 02, 2016 12:27 PM (chkUd)
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"I just don't like most of the art, music, food of places like the ME or India." Love the food! I very much enjoy the carnatic music and traditional dance of India.
Posted by: gp at January 02, 2016 12:27 PM (mk9aG)
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Posted by: gp at January 02, 2016 12:24 PM (mk9aG)
One of the reasons I chose Pavarotti's version of Adeste Fideles (aside from his magnificent voice) was that it seems clear to me that he has a visceral connection to the message of the music. He was a religious man, and it is obvious in this version.
One of the reasons I chose Pavarotti's version of Adeste Fideles (aside from his magnificent voice) was that it seems clear to me that he has a visceral connection to the message of the music. He was a religious man, and it is obvious in this version.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 02, 2016 12:27 PM (Zu3d9)
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Sinners produce great art,
Posted by: BurtTC at January 02, 2016 12:10 PM (TOk1P)
Perhaps it's the subject matter moreso than the artist.
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at January 02, 2016 12:26 PM (O4NI/)
I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume many many many of the so-called great works of art depicting Christian values, both visual and sonic, was produced by sinners who weren't exactly practicing what they wrote/painted/sculpted.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 02, 2016 12:10 PM (TOk1P)
Perhaps it's the subject matter moreso than the artist.
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at January 02, 2016 12:26 PM (O4NI/)
I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume many many many of the so-called great works of art depicting Christian values, both visual and sonic, was produced by sinners who weren't exactly practicing what they wrote/painted/sculpted.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 02, 2016 12:28 PM (TOk1P)
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Most of Bach's work was dedicated to the Glory of God. Also, most of Bach's work is pretty amazing.
Pretty sure everything he wrote had "Soli Deo Gloria" on it, even the secular works. Could be mistaked about that though.
Pretty sure everything he wrote had "Soli Deo Gloria" on it, even the secular works. Could be mistaked about that though.
Posted by: Snoodling Hero Emeritus at January 02, 2016 12:28 PM (k9qR4)
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Posted by: PJ at January 02, 2016 12:17 PM (cHuNI)
I'm sort of the opposite. I **love** all the different ways people around the world have found to sing praises to their creator and of their love for Christ. Ethiopian mezmur, Tejano gospel, Nepali praise, it all brings a smile to my face (but there is the underlying theme of being specifically Christian).
I'm sort of the opposite. I **love** all the different ways people around the world have found to sing praises to their creator and of their love for Christ. Ethiopian mezmur, Tejano gospel, Nepali praise, it all brings a smile to my face (but there is the underlying theme of being specifically Christian).
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 02, 2016 12:29 PM (GDulk)
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As for Christian music, some wonderful music was written in France and Spain in the mid-20th century. One of my favorites is Francois Poulenc's setting of "O Magnum Mysterium":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VShyqHcWjPY
In another vein, this setting of "Nigra Sum", from the Song of Solomon, is lovely:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP41YeYIjRc
It's by Pablo (in Catalan, "Pau") Casals, who was a fine composer, as well as one of the great cellists of his time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VShyqHcWjPY
In another vein, this setting of "Nigra Sum", from the Song of Solomon, is lovely:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP41YeYIjRc
It's by Pablo (in Catalan, "Pau") Casals, who was a fine composer, as well as one of the great cellists of his time.
Posted by: Brown Line at January 02, 2016 12:30 PM (a5bF3)
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"Imagine the 'wise men' of today drafting the Constitution?" There is nobody around today as wise as Madison or Adams or Mason. Not even close. And to think that those guys had no electric light to read by; the best books were a long horse ride away in libraries; they had to crap in outhouses; no famotidine or alka-seltzer or other simple comforts to nagging ailments. They were giants.
Posted by: gp at January 02, 2016 12:33 PM (mk9aG)
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And, ISIS looks forward to the time they will be able to set explosives and run bulldozers through all of that...
And, ISIS looks forward to the time they will be able to set explosives and run bulldozers through all of that...
Posted by: Spun and Murky at January 02, 2016 12:33 PM (4DCSq)
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Most of the greats are generally child prodigy.
Mozart: At the age of four he could learn a piece of music in half an hour. At five he was playing the clavier incredibly well. At six he began composing, writing his first symphonies at the age of eight.....
There's much beauty in many contemporary fields; an elegant mathematical formula; stickley furniture; a bamboo fly rod; a shell collection; an old Italian motorcycle.
Mozart: At the age of four he could learn a piece of music in half an hour. At five he was playing the clavier incredibly well. At six he began composing, writing his first symphonies at the age of eight.....
There's much beauty in many contemporary fields; an elegant mathematical formula; stickley furniture; a bamboo fly rod; a shell collection; an old Italian motorcycle.
Posted by: 13times at January 02, 2016 12:33 PM (WHVu+)
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QO7D0Cb_qH0
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oni0tO_HN30
Showing Judeo-Christian music combination at some of its finest
Bring me to tears every time.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oni0tO_HN30
Showing Judeo-Christian music combination at some of its finest
Bring me to tears every time.
Posted by: Marybeth in Florida at January 02, 2016 12:34 PM (Zaamt)
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My dear niece just had to experience Obama's America. She is the kindest and most thoughtful person I know. I copied this from her Facebook page.
I have to share this moment that my BFF, Mallory and I had today.
As we were walking downtown Santa Barbara, I notice a woman struggling to carry her suit case and bags, I offer a helping hand. Our husbands right behind us, I offer that they can carry her stuff no problem.
She starts yelling at us that she would never want 'white privilege' helping her. She then starts following us, yelling whatever she can come up with and pulls out her phone and starts video taping us, egging us on to fight her.
I was so disappointed for human kind.
We're good human beings, offering a helping hand no matter who you are.
I've worked hard for all I've accomplished in my life and it's so disappointing to be brought down by the color of my skin. I love all and want to help everyone in need, it just broke my heart to know this is the world we've created - our child, someday soon will be growing up in. A bitter pill to swallow
I have to share this moment that my BFF, Mallory and I had today.
As we were walking downtown Santa Barbara, I notice a woman struggling to carry her suit case and bags, I offer a helping hand. Our husbands right behind us, I offer that they can carry her stuff no problem.
She starts yelling at us that she would never want 'white privilege' helping her. She then starts following us, yelling whatever she can come up with and pulls out her phone and starts video taping us, egging us on to fight her.
I was so disappointed for human kind.
We're good human beings, offering a helping hand no matter who you are.
I've worked hard for all I've accomplished in my life and it's so disappointing to be brought down by the color of my skin. I love all and want to help everyone in need, it just broke my heart to know this is the world we've created - our child, someday soon will be growing up in. A bitter pill to swallow
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at January 02, 2016 12:34 PM (dULJN)
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40 Posted by: Weirddave at January 02, 2016 12:23 PM (N8hFs)
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Depiction of the human form is sternly forbidden, as a glorification of man over the glorification of Allah. Worship of anything less than Allah (God, in the case of Jews and Christians). Mirrors can even be a problem among the most severe sects. Photography among the Wahabbis is almost unheard of.
I suspect that that is part of why the ISIS troops cover their faces: not because they are some kind of grand ninja warriors or guerrillas, but to comply with the stricture against depiction of the human form.
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Depiction of the human form is sternly forbidden, as a glorification of man over the glorification of Allah. Worship of anything less than Allah (God, in the case of Jews and Christians). Mirrors can even be a problem among the most severe sects. Photography among the Wahabbis is almost unheard of.
I suspect that that is part of why the ISIS troops cover their faces: not because they are some kind of grand ninja warriors or guerrillas, but to comply with the stricture against depiction of the human form.
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at January 02, 2016 12:34 PM (O4NI/)
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Once we're the majority in Europe, we'll destroy all that crap. Just like we're destroying all that historical stuff in the ME.
That stuff makes us angry and afraid for some reason. And if it makes angry and afraid, it must be evil and against the will of Allah. The problem is never with us.
That stuff makes us angry and afraid for some reason. And if it makes angry and afraid, it must be evil and against the will of Allah. The problem is never with us.
Posted by: ISIS at January 02, 2016 12:36 PM (7EHW6)
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Other religions prohibit depictions and acts of devotion never manifest themselves in such ways.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 02, 2016 12:23 PM (KQTmr)
Oh they manifest all right, but it usually results in death and mayhem.
The Left seems to prefer this to the beauty of the Christian church, and I have no idea why. It is a bafflement.
Other religions prohibit depictions and acts of devotion never manifest themselves in such ways.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at January 02, 2016 12:23 PM (KQTmr)
Oh they manifest all right, but it usually results in death and mayhem.
The Left seems to prefer this to the beauty of the Christian church, and I have no idea why. It is a bafflement.
Posted by: Moki at January 02, 2016 12:37 PM (7q2ch)
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Who knows? There could have been some great Muslim artwork if they didn't get their heads lopped off for making it. They get all shooty and stabby for that.
Posted by: Hank at January 02, 2016 12:37 PM (AqfcR)
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Posted by: Call Me Cynical at January 02, 2016 12:13 PM (cHuNI)
A full choir High Mass is a thing of transcendent beauty(YMMV).
And when I was a wee tad, they used to get the instrumentalists of the local city orchestra as fellas some of the opera talent to bulk up the choir and organ at Christmas Mass. (Also Easter).-
just awesome.
Now it's just weedy, hippy derived guitar Mass crapola.
Ugh.
On the upside-
I saw somebody(Microsoft?) advertising over the holiday using that execrable hippy song "Let There Be Peace on Earth"-
but they pointedly left out the "With God as our Father, Brothers all are we" verse.
So, we got that working for us.
All Hail the redeeming power of Microsoft and it's Prophet Bill Gates!
A full choir High Mass is a thing of transcendent beauty(YMMV).
And when I was a wee tad, they used to get the instrumentalists of the local city orchestra as fellas some of the opera talent to bulk up the choir and organ at Christmas Mass. (Also Easter).-
just awesome.
Now it's just weedy, hippy derived guitar Mass crapola.
Ugh.
On the upside-
I saw somebody(Microsoft?) advertising over the holiday using that execrable hippy song "Let There Be Peace on Earth"-
but they pointedly left out the "With God as our Father, Brothers all are we" verse.
So, we got that working for us.
All Hail the redeeming power of Microsoft and it's Prophet Bill Gates!
Posted by: naturalfake at January 02, 2016 12:37 PM (KUa85)
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I've been to the homes of several people of the Hindu faith. I find depictions of their gods to be garish, with odd color choices. I suppose Indian people might find them beautiful.
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at January 02, 2016 12:38 PM (FQKBL)
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Posted by: BurtTC at January 02, 2016 12:28 PM (TOk1P)
My suggestion that God works through the hand of Man in some of these works is not in opposition to your suggestion that the artists were not always exemplary Christians.
The Bible is full of prophets who didn't believe!
My suggestion that God works through the hand of Man in some of these works is not in opposition to your suggestion that the artists were not always exemplary Christians.
The Bible is full of prophets who didn't believe!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 02, 2016 12:38 PM (Zu3d9)
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Here is a piece of art for Toshiba EMI and drawn by Masamune Shirow for a music CD series called Ein Requiem Fur Menschen. The intent of the CD series was to introduce new listeners to classical music.
This particular piece was drawn for Haydn's The Creation and Handel's Messiah.
http://www.motorballer.org/images/shirow/id2/req4.jpg
This particular piece was drawn for Haydn's The Creation and Handel's Messiah.
http://www.motorballer.org/images/shirow/id2/req4.jpg
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 02, 2016 12:39 PM (OEWRk)
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Raysis.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at January 02, 2016 12:39 PM (u5gzz)
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I get a big kick out of the art in medieval manuscripts. At times, it can be quite amusing:
https://twitter.com/DamienKempf
https://twitter.com/DamienKempf
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 02, 2016 12:40 PM (iQIUe)
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As a Jew I'm jealous.
Hey man as a Jew you're part of the story also. A Jewish man, son of a Jewish mother. You Can relate.
Hey man as a Jew you're part of the story also. A Jewish man, son of a Jewish mother. You Can relate.
Posted by: simplemind at January 02, 2016 12:40 PM (BTnAK)
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I know itey food when I hear it. It's all them eenie foods: zucchini, linguine, fettuccine. I want some American food damn it! I want some french fries!
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 02, 2016 12:40 PM (5buP8)
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50 produced by sinners who weren't exactly practicing what they wrote/painted/sculpted.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 02, 2016 12:28 PM (TOk1P)
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Absolutely true.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 02, 2016 12:28 PM (TOk1P)
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Absolutely true.
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at January 02, 2016 12:40 PM (O4NI/)
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I suspect that that is part of why the ISIS troops
cover their faces: not because they are some kind of grand ninja
warriors or guerrillas, but to comply with the stricture against
depiction of the human form.
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at January 02, 2016 12:34 PM (O4NI/)
Oh, I wouldn't assume anything they do is due to religious fervor. These are the same guys who sodomize each other, between beheadings of defenseless people.
cover their faces: not because they are some kind of grand ninja
warriors or guerrillas, but to comply with the stricture against
depiction of the human form.
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at January 02, 2016 12:34 PM (O4NI/)
Oh, I wouldn't assume anything they do is due to religious fervor. These are the same guys who sodomize each other, between beheadings of defenseless people.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 02, 2016 12:41 PM (TOk1P)
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I've always been in awe of Michelangelo's sculpture. Sure, his frescos are magnificent, but how a mere man could take a block of hard, hard marble and bring it to life as he did with the Pieta..well there are no words.
Posted by: Tuna at January 02, 2016 12:41 PM (JSovD)
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I listen almost exclusively to contemporary Christian music, but I do hold a
treasured space in my heart for the old hymns, the ones my grandma
banged out on the piano while I was growing up Baptist. My first memory of singing a solo for a church
service was at 4 years old. I sang "Child of the King". I had to stand
up on a big box so people could see me over the podium.
treasured space in my heart for the old hymns, the ones my grandma
banged out on the piano while I was growing up Baptist. My first memory of singing a solo for a church
service was at 4 years old. I sang "Child of the King". I had to stand
up on a big box so people could see me over the podium.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 02, 2016 12:41 PM (dFi94)
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It was the Joos that financed all of that Christian art.
Posted by: Hank at January 02, 2016 12:42 PM (AqfcR)
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I had to stand
up on a big box so people could see me over the podium.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 02, 2016 12:41 PM (dFi94)
Are you related to Alex the Chick?
[Joke!]
up on a big box so people could see me over the podium.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 02, 2016 12:41 PM (dFi94)
Are you related to Alex the Chick?
[Joke!]
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 02, 2016 12:42 PM (Zu3d9)
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Are you related to Alex the Chick?
[Joke!]
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 02, 2016 12:42 PM (Zu3d9)
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Ha! I actually thought of her right after I hit "post"!
[Joke!]
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 02, 2016 12:42 PM (Zu3d9)
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Ha! I actually thought of her right after I hit "post"!
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 02, 2016 12:44 PM (dFi94)
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test
Posted by: L, Elle at January 02, 2016 12:44 PM (ctjA2)
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Where does art of this caliber happen today?
Here's one place:
http://www.frederickhart.com
Tom Wolfe's essay 'The Invisible Artist' is about this guy. He made some remarkable sculptures, particularly in acrylic.
Here's one place:
http://www.frederickhart.com
Tom Wolfe's essay 'The Invisible Artist' is about this guy. He made some remarkable sculptures, particularly in acrylic.
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 02, 2016 12:45 PM (RDs1n)
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Thanks for this great politically incorrect post. Same is true of literature, with Shakespeare, Austen, Wordsworth, Dostoevsky and so on. I do believe that this is the hand of God working through man, especially if we think of that hand as the artist's desire to present a worldview that glorifies God.
Posted by: Caliban at January 02, 2016 12:45 PM (3GFMN)
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The Pieta: A Turkish madman (read: Muzzie) took a hammer to it. Broke Christ's right finger off before he was stopped. it has been restored, but you can still see the damage. Every time I see a beautiful sculpture with the nose chipped off, I despise that "religion" more.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 02, 2016 12:45 PM (5buP8)
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A week or so ago, there was a classical music thread. Someone, actually a few someones, mentioned Henryk Gorecki's Symphony of Sorrowful Songs. Thanks to whoever recommended it. The first movement is about Mary mourning the death of her son, Jesus.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 02, 2016 12:45 PM (Nwg0u)
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My suggestion that God works through the hand of Man
in some of these works is not in opposition to your suggestion that the
artists were not always exemplary Christians.
The Bible is full of prophets who didn't believe!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 02, 2016 12:38 PM (Zu3d9)
Then where do we draw the line? Does God have a hand in secular creations of art, or only religious works?
I prefer to go with the simpler explanation: Humans can create wondrous works of art, when they have the talent, inspiration, time and tools to do so. Their religious beliefs MIGHT be one of those inspirations, but so is love, an appreciation of objective beauty, even hate and anger can inspire.
I just don't believe God's hand works that way. He gave us the ability. What we do with that ability is on us.
in some of these works is not in opposition to your suggestion that the
artists were not always exemplary Christians.
The Bible is full of prophets who didn't believe!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 02, 2016 12:38 PM (Zu3d9)
Then where do we draw the line? Does God have a hand in secular creations of art, or only religious works?
I prefer to go with the simpler explanation: Humans can create wondrous works of art, when they have the talent, inspiration, time and tools to do so. Their religious beliefs MIGHT be one of those inspirations, but so is love, an appreciation of objective beauty, even hate and anger can inspire.
I just don't believe God's hand works that way. He gave us the ability. What we do with that ability is on us.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 02, 2016 12:46 PM (TOk1P)
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The art doesn't even have to be Euro-focused. The video game Civilization IV had an opening theme song called 'Baba Yetu'. Everyone (and I do mean *everyone*) who heard it agreed that it was absolutely gorgeous.
The text of the song is the Lord's Prayer in Swahili.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IJiHDmyhE1A
The text of the song is the Lord's Prayer in Swahili.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IJiHDmyhE1A
Posted by: junior at January 02, 2016 12:48 PM (aIiFP)
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Here's one place:
http://www.frederickhart.com
Tom Wolfe's essay 'The Invisible Artist' is about this guy. He made some remarkable sculptures, particularly in acrylic.
Holy crap. He might be the guy I linked at #32 whose name I forgot.
http://www.frederickhart.com
Tom Wolfe's essay 'The Invisible Artist' is about this guy. He made some remarkable sculptures, particularly in acrylic.
Holy crap. He might be the guy I linked at #32 whose name I forgot.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 02, 2016 12:49 PM (1xUj/)
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 02, 2016 12:49 PM (5buP8)
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A Turkish madman (read: Muzzie) took a hammer to
it. Broke Christ's right finger off before he was stopped. it has been
restored, but you can still see the damage. Every time I see a beautiful
sculpture with the nose chipped off, I despise that "religion" more.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 02, 2016 12:45 PM (5buP
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This smashing of Jesus doesn't make sense to me since muslims claim they see Jesus as a prophet preceeding Mohammed. It would be like Christians running around the world smashing the fingers off King David or Moses. My suspicion is they just like to smash things.
it. Broke Christ's right finger off before he was stopped. it has been
restored, but you can still see the damage. Every time I see a beautiful
sculpture with the nose chipped off, I despise that "religion" more.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 02, 2016 12:45 PM (5buP
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This smashing of Jesus doesn't make sense to me since muslims claim they see Jesus as a prophet preceeding Mohammed. It would be like Christians running around the world smashing the fingers off King David or Moses. My suspicion is they just like to smash things.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 02, 2016 12:49 PM (dFi94)
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Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 02, 2016 12:45 PM (5buP
When I am in museums I put my hands behind my back when I get close to paintings I love. The urge to touch them...to see whether they are real....is almost overwhelming.
The mindset that would allow one to damage such magnificence is beyond me.
I am a Jew, and damned proud of my religion and happy to be a part of it, but I look at the glories that Christianity has produced and I am in awe. The thought of destroying them is quite simply evil. Not insane....EVIL!
When I am in museums I put my hands behind my back when I get close to paintings I love. The urge to touch them...to see whether they are real....is almost overwhelming.
The mindset that would allow one to damage such magnificence is beyond me.
I am a Jew, and damned proud of my religion and happy to be a part of it, but I look at the glories that Christianity has produced and I am in awe. The thought of destroying them is quite simply evil. Not insane....EVIL!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 02, 2016 12:49 PM (Zu3d9)
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Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at January 02, 2016 12:34 PM (dULJN)
The racial animus is unfortunate, and that is the fault of racebaiters like Obama and Charlatan.
That said, it is a waste of time to try to help those too proud to accept it. I think that is part of the problem facing us.
Good natured, generous hearted westerners anxious to help third worlders in need, at all costs. Problem is, it cannot be done at all costs. The people like the fraudulent refugees, they will not be raised to a higher plane. They won't be grateful.
They will become angry and resentful. They will destroy the higher. Innocent people will suffer.
The kind hearted must accept there are some situations that *cannot* be fixed. Only help those of goodwill, who *want* to be helped, and who appreciate it for what it is.
The racial animus is unfortunate, and that is the fault of racebaiters like Obama and Charlatan.
That said, it is a waste of time to try to help those too proud to accept it. I think that is part of the problem facing us.
Good natured, generous hearted westerners anxious to help third worlders in need, at all costs. Problem is, it cannot be done at all costs. The people like the fraudulent refugees, they will not be raised to a higher plane. They won't be grateful.
They will become angry and resentful. They will destroy the higher. Innocent people will suffer.
The kind hearted must accept there are some situations that *cannot* be fixed. Only help those of goodwill, who *want* to be helped, and who appreciate it for what it is.
Posted by: Reality at January 02, 2016 12:49 PM (7EHW6)
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And what have the detractors of our (Western, Jewish and Christian) culture produced, in either the aesthetic, mathematical, or scientific realms?
To a very good approximation: bupkis.
To a very good approximation: bupkis.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 02, 2016 12:50 PM (oKE6c)
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Then where do we draw the line? Does God have a hand in secular creations of art, or only religious works?
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Why must we draw a line?
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Why must we draw a line?
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 02, 2016 12:51 PM (dFi94)
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Here you go, CBD. Ben Shapiro at the age of 12, a member of the tribe and wearing a yarmulke, playing the violin (Milo Yiannopoulos, I think, linked this recently).
http://tinyurl.com/j2gjjn3
http://tinyurl.com/j2gjjn3
Posted by: m at January 02, 2016 12:51 PM (d4uu4)
Posted by: Mark1971 at January 02, 2016 12:51 PM (vaR50)
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@40 This is something that I've always wondered about. Do the Muzzies have great art? They have abstract art, patterns and stuff, and I'm told that poetry is something that they aspire to, but where are the great works of art, the music, the paintings? Architecturally there are some fantastic looking mosques, so I guess they got that going for them, but a religion that doesn't inspire magnificent music and breathtaking masterpieces is lacking because it obviously isn't nurturing the soul.
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Their architecture was stolen from the Sassanid Persian dynasty. So it's only really "Muslim" by conquest. And it arguably hasn't evolved all that much since then (note that was roughly 1500 years ago).
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Their architecture was stolen from the Sassanid Persian dynasty. So it's only really "Muslim" by conquest. And it arguably hasn't evolved all that much since then (note that was roughly 1500 years ago).
Posted by: junior at January 02, 2016 12:51 PM (aIiFP)
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Slightly OT:
"The Agony and the Ecstasy" is one of the old Hollywood epics that still holds up well today.
Being Hollywood it probably doesn't contain much real history-
still it's got Charlton Heston as Michelangelo and Rex Harrison as Pope Julius II the Warrior Pope and
concerns the painting of the Sistine Chapel ceiling.
A great and surprisingly thoughtful watch.
If you are so inclined, it's available on Amazon Video.
"The Agony and the Ecstasy" is one of the old Hollywood epics that still holds up well today.
Being Hollywood it probably doesn't contain much real history-
still it's got Charlton Heston as Michelangelo and Rex Harrison as Pope Julius II the Warrior Pope and
concerns the painting of the Sistine Chapel ceiling.
A great and surprisingly thoughtful watch.
If you are so inclined, it's available on Amazon Video.
Posted by: naturafake at January 02, 2016 12:52 PM (KUa85)
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I get a big kick out of the art in medieval manuscripts. At times, it can be quite amusing:
https://twitter.com/DamienKempf
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Boy, I haven't seen anything like that since I stopped sprinkling LSD on my cornflakes.
https://twitter.com/DamienKempf
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Boy, I haven't seen anything like that since I stopped sprinkling LSD on my cornflakes.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 02, 2016 12:52 PM (Nwg0u)
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CBD, here is a blog post I wrote just on the art of The Annunciation.
http://annapuna.blogspot.com/2005/12/child-is-born-unto-us.html
http://annapuna.blogspot.com/2005/12/child-is-born-unto-us.html
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 02, 2016 12:52 PM (OEWRk)
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I found God when I was 19 years old through nature and a song. I was the in the mountains of Subiaco, Italy at the monastery. The landscape and view was breathtaking and I stayed outside instead of going to Mass. Then I heard Gregorian Chant being sung, and it was the first time in my life that I felt the presence of God.
Maybe that was sentimentalism it being caught up in a moment, but St. Augustine and many others have written about finding God through his creation, nature, music, art. I think you're right, CBD. There has to be divine inspiration for some of this work. It's just too perfect and beautiful to be work done by human hands.
Maybe that was sentimentalism it being caught up in a moment, but St. Augustine and many others have written about finding God through his creation, nature, music, art. I think you're right, CBD. There has to be divine inspiration for some of this work. It's just too perfect and beautiful to be work done by human hands.
Posted by: L, Elle at January 02, 2016 12:52 PM (VBVzn)
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Has anyone watched philosopher Roger Scruton's documentary Why Beauty Matters? He examines how beautiful art, music, architecture etc contributes to culture, and what happens when societies' taste-makers elevate ugliness.
https://vimeo.com/112655231
*resumes lurking*
https://vimeo.com/112655231
*resumes lurking*
Posted by: Mädchen at January 02, 2016 12:52 PM (123gZ)
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When I am in museums I put my hands behind my back when I get close to paintings I love. The urge to touch them...to see whether they are real....is almost overwhelming.
I went to the National Gallery of Art in DC with a ginger midget a couple of months ago.
There are no velvet ropes and nothing is behind glass. The ability to lean in close to a Monet or a Van Gogh and see the actual brushstrokes is mindblowing.
I went more recently to the museum in Hartford where the opposite is true and it was just hollow.
I went to the National Gallery of Art in DC with a ginger midget a couple of months ago.
There are no velvet ropes and nothing is behind glass. The ability to lean in close to a Monet or a Van Gogh and see the actual brushstrokes is mindblowing.
I went more recently to the museum in Hartford where the opposite is true and it was just hollow.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 02, 2016 12:53 PM (1xUj/)
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One of my favorite pieces by Bach is Arioso. One of the first pieces I learned to play with my mother, a cellist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=busdLxl15q8
Air on the G String isn't bad, either
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xn_r19xb_s
I'm going to play Amazing Grace at a memorial service today. Now there is an enduring piece of music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=busdLxl15q8
Air on the G String isn't bad, either
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xn_r19xb_s
I'm going to play Amazing Grace at a memorial service today. Now there is an enduring piece of music.
Posted by: KT at January 02, 2016 12:53 PM (qahv/)
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Crazy days
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at January 02, 2016 12:53 PM (dULJN)
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Has anyone viewed the Crucifixion Diptych by Rogier van der Weyden at the Philadelphia Museum of Art? It literally took my breath away. I just stood there with my mouth hanging open. it is that movingly beautiful.
Posted by: Tuna at January 02, 2016 12:54 PM (JSovD)
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Then where do we draw the line? Does God have a hand in secular creations of art, or only religious works?
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Why must we draw a line?
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 02, 2016 12:51 PM (dFi94)
I guess we don't. But then I don't particularly feel the need to place God's hand in the equation... except indirectly, in the sense that we are all God's creations, and the things we do are His if we follow the logic through.
So whether I take credit for what I do, or whether I give that credit to God, it's almost irrelevant, because they are the same thing.
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Why must we draw a line?
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 02, 2016 12:51 PM (dFi94)
I guess we don't. But then I don't particularly feel the need to place God's hand in the equation... except indirectly, in the sense that we are all God's creations, and the things we do are His if we follow the logic through.
So whether I take credit for what I do, or whether I give that credit to God, it's almost irrelevant, because they are the same thing.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 02, 2016 12:54 PM (TOk1P)
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Except that all of this extravagance on ostentation on the part of the "princes of the church", ran counter to Christ's teachings, and the biblical view of the 'church". And was really just a power grab by the powerful at the expense of everyday folks, who didn't have the wherewithal to "appreciate" all of this "art". It's really quite obscene, in it's proper context..
Posted by: macleod at January 02, 2016 12:54 PM (Qf5bp)
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I just don't believe God's hand works that way. He gave us the ability. What we do with that ability is on us.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 02, 2016 12:46 PM (TOk1P)
I won't argue your point. It's a rational (huh?) way of looking at the question.
I guess my overall point is that man cannot have created these works alone.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 02, 2016 12:46 PM (TOk1P)
I won't argue your point. It's a rational (huh?) way of looking at the question.
I guess my overall point is that man cannot have created these works alone.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 02, 2016 12:54 PM (Zu3d9)
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God given ability inspires people to create works of art that thanks.their God for it.
Posted by: Hank at January 02, 2016 12:55 PM (AqfcR)
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We use Pieta bread to eat our falafel. Seriously, Michaelangelo was gay. He'd be stoned to death here in the ME, except in Afghanistan.
Posted by: ISIS at January 02, 2016 12:56 PM (7EHW6)
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I'm going to play Amazing Grace at a memorial service today. Now there is an enduring piece of music.
Posted by: KT at January 02, 2016 12:53 PM (qahv/)
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Yes it is. Whenever I sing it I can hardly wait to get to the last verse. May I ask what instrument you play? No need to answer if you wish not to disclose.
Posted by: KT at January 02, 2016 12:53 PM (qahv/)
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Yes it is. Whenever I sing it I can hardly wait to get to the last verse. May I ask what instrument you play? No need to answer if you wish not to disclose.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 02, 2016 12:56 PM (dFi94)
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I've become something of a Cathedral-Junkie. Whenever I can get to Europe, and it really doesn't matter what country, I look for a cathedral or wherever the religious artwork is kept (often an art museum).
I'm sure that, like anything else, you can tire of it... but since I don't get to Europe all that much, for me it's always very, very powerful stuff. Whether its architecture, sculpture, painting, etc.
And it's not just the artwork. If you get to Antwerp you will see that many of the paintings were sponsored by guilds - and they will feature whatever the guild represents, subtly... or not very subtly.
For example: Saint Sebastian is in almost every cathedral. He's the guy who was shot full of arrows. If you've been to a Euro-Cathedral, you've seen him...
In Flanders he was often painted, and those paintings were typically commissioned by... wait for it... THE FLETCHER'S GUILD!
It's pretty awesome. The brick guild will have buildings all in brick. The sword-makers will have a painting of St. George, or whomever, with the most beautiful sword you've ever seen.
They are art, yes, and many are painted by masters... but they are also advertisements.
The history of art in the church is more than just the art itself. The sponsors and their motives are often just as interesting.
Great stuff.
I'm sure that, like anything else, you can tire of it... but since I don't get to Europe all that much, for me it's always very, very powerful stuff. Whether its architecture, sculpture, painting, etc.
And it's not just the artwork. If you get to Antwerp you will see that many of the paintings were sponsored by guilds - and they will feature whatever the guild represents, subtly... or not very subtly.
For example: Saint Sebastian is in almost every cathedral. He's the guy who was shot full of arrows. If you've been to a Euro-Cathedral, you've seen him...
In Flanders he was often painted, and those paintings were typically commissioned by... wait for it... THE FLETCHER'S GUILD!
It's pretty awesome. The brick guild will have buildings all in brick. The sword-makers will have a painting of St. George, or whomever, with the most beautiful sword you've ever seen.
They are art, yes, and many are painted by masters... but they are also advertisements.
The history of art in the church is more than just the art itself. The sponsors and their motives are often just as interesting.
Great stuff.
Posted by: RobM1981 at January 02, 2016 12:56 PM (zurJC)
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Posted by: BurtTC at January 02, 2016 12:46 PM (TOk1P)
I think it was Augustine (it was some early church father at least) who taught that whenever something was transcendent it was because the Holy Spirit had used that persons ability *even if that person was not a believer*.
I think it was Augustine (it was some early church father at least) who taught that whenever something was transcendent it was because the Holy Spirit had used that persons ability *even if that person was not a believer*.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 02, 2016 12:56 PM (GDulk)
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I think it's similar in the literary world.
Christians own epic fantasy. Sorry, they just do. The best a nonchristian can do with it is to play off its tropes, like George Martin (and even that one is postchristian). Or go the heroic route like Robert Howard.
I'd say that Jews own hard science-fiction. Having read Lewis's Space Trilogy, I don't know if a Christian science-fiction even can exist.
The best I've seen a Christian do with SF generally is post-apocalyptic ("Canticle for Leibowitz", "Book of Eli"), maybe because western Christians know something about rebuilding a civilisation...
Christians own epic fantasy. Sorry, they just do. The best a nonchristian can do with it is to play off its tropes, like George Martin (and even that one is postchristian). Or go the heroic route like Robert Howard.
I'd say that Jews own hard science-fiction. Having read Lewis's Space Trilogy, I don't know if a Christian science-fiction even can exist.
The best I've seen a Christian do with SF generally is post-apocalyptic ("Canticle for Leibowitz", "Book of Eli"), maybe because western Christians know something about rebuilding a civilisation...
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 02, 2016 12:57 PM (6FqZa)
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I love this post, CBD! Thank you for it.
It is making me pull out all my coffee table art books and go through them again.
It is making me pull out all my coffee table art books and go through them again.
Posted by: L, Elle at January 02, 2016 12:57 PM (VBVzn)
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I suspect that that is part of why the ISIS troops cover their faces: not because they are some kind of grand ninja warriors or guerrillas, but to comply with the stricture against depiction of the human form.
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at January 02, 2016 12:34 PM (O4NI/)
A lot of them are from Western countries. Being videotaped sawing someone's head off could have negative repercussions when you arrive back home.
There's also the dehumanized threat factor. We are not individuals with facial hair and moles and weirdly shaped ears; we are one entity, an unstoppable machine that will destroy you. We are not 'they', we are 'it'.
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at January 02, 2016 12:34 PM (O4NI/)
A lot of them are from Western countries. Being videotaped sawing someone's head off could have negative repercussions when you arrive back home.
There's also the dehumanized threat factor. We are not individuals with facial hair and moles and weirdly shaped ears; we are one entity, an unstoppable machine that will destroy you. We are not 'they', we are 'it'.
Posted by: Secundus at January 02, 2016 12:58 PM (gn6ig)
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Holy crap. He might be the guy I linked at #32 whose name I forgot.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 02, 2016 12:49 PM (1xUj/)
The top two photos, no, I don't think so. The bottom two, the ones of the young women wearing nightgowns, yes, those are definitely Hart.
Google for "Daughters of Odessa". This bronze sculpture is Hart's homage to the wife and daughters of Czar Nicholas II who were murdered by the rat bastard commie Bolsheviks.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 02, 2016 12:49 PM (1xUj/)
The top two photos, no, I don't think so. The bottom two, the ones of the young women wearing nightgowns, yes, those are definitely Hart.
Google for "Daughters of Odessa". This bronze sculpture is Hart's homage to the wife and daughters of Czar Nicholas II who were murdered by the rat bastard commie Bolsheviks.
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 02, 2016 12:58 PM (RDs1n)
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"And yeah....as a Jew I am very jealous."
Why? You've got Geddy Lee.
Posted by: Mark1971 at January 02, 2016 12:51 PM (vaR50)
Annnnnnnd....
and you got Norman Greenbaum:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swIcX57vYDI
Why? You've got Geddy Lee.
Posted by: Mark1971 at January 02, 2016 12:51 PM (vaR50)
Annnnnnnd....
and you got Norman Greenbaum:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swIcX57vYDI
Posted by: naturafake at January 02, 2016 12:58 PM (KUa85)
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My wife is a prof of Art and Architectural History, her specialty is the High Renaissance. She's not Religious, but our house is filled with books and prints from the era, almost all of them Christian in nature, and they never get old.
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 02, 2016 12:58 PM (2cS/G)
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Why do these English scheisskopfs keep trying to purchase sensible lesbian shoes from me?
Posted by: Doctor Martin Luther at January 02, 2016 12:58 PM (7EHW6)
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... I suppose the great Islamic SF/fantasy epic was Dune. But then, it took an infidel to write it.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 02, 2016 12:58 PM (6FqZa)
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Koko the gorilla has delivered a New Year's message pleading with us all to protect the erf.
This is not to be taken lightly.
http://tinyurl.com/zdt728o
This is not to be taken lightly.
http://tinyurl.com/zdt728o
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at January 02, 2016 12:58 PM (u5gzz)
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Bandersnatch
Agree. I had seen Van Gogh prints all my life, but when I came around a corner at an exhibition at the Jeu de Paume and saw a particular original Van Gogh, I had a remarkable experience.
My heart started to pound and I felt very agitated. I could feel how tortured the man must have been by mental illness. In spite of that, look what he produced.
Agree. I had seen Van Gogh prints all my life, but when I came around a corner at an exhibition at the Jeu de Paume and saw a particular original Van Gogh, I had a remarkable experience.
My heart started to pound and I felt very agitated. I could feel how tortured the man must have been by mental illness. In spite of that, look what he produced.
Posted by: KT at January 02, 2016 12:58 PM (qahv/)
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The bottom two, the ones of the young women wearing nightgowns, yes, those are definitely Hart,
Google for "Daughters of Odessa".
Ah yes.
Even his website which you linked doesn't do the bronzes justice. They have a patina I've never seen. I asked at the gallery how he did it and they said he keeps it secret.
Google for "Daughters of Odessa".
Ah yes.
Even his website which you linked doesn't do the bronzes justice. They have a patina I've never seen. I asked at the gallery how he did it and they said he keeps it secret.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 02, 2016 01:01 PM (1xUj/)
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I some incredible Van Gogh pieces in Amsterdam. I was tripping on acid at the time unfortunately. I kinda wish I had seen them sober. Amsterdam has great art museums. The Prado Museum in Madrid is one of my most favorite ones.
Posted by: L, Elle at January 02, 2016 01:02 PM (VBVzn)
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Anna Puma's link added to the post.....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 02, 2016 01:02 PM (Zu3d9)
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Yes, imagine how much better off the world would be iff nobody in the church commissioned any art, music or sculpture.
High five for iconoclasm!! /sarc.
High five for iconoclasm!! /sarc.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 02, 2016 01:02 PM (M+RRn)
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Only Mother Gaia can keep us safe. *sob*
Posted by: Oberlin College Snowflake at January 02, 2016 01:03 PM (Dwehj)
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Christianity has the spirit of adoration of God; Judaism has the spirit of arguing with God.
Epic fantasy and beautiful art comes from the adoration of God. Scientific debate and speculative fiction come from argument.
Epic fantasy and beautiful art comes from the adoration of God. Scientific debate and speculative fiction come from argument.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 02, 2016 01:03 PM (6FqZa)
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Dune? Another is Cherryh's Faded Sun trilogy. M'rei are fierce warriors in service to the reptile R'Gul to fight the humans. Well the humans win the war and the R'Gul betray their mercenaries. And that is how the story starts. And when, in the third book, finally reach the original home world of the M'rei the Humans have followed a path of destroyed planets. Because all those races grew to fear the mercenaries they hired and the M'rei destroyed them.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 02, 2016 01:04 PM (OEWRk)
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61 Oh they manifest all right, but it usually results in death and mayhem.
The Left seems to prefer this to the beauty of the Christian church, and I have no idea why. It is a bafflement.
"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil." John 3:19
The Left seems to prefer this to the beauty of the Christian church, and I have no idea why. It is a bafflement.
"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil." John 3:19
Posted by: California Girl at January 02, 2016 01:05 PM (l+qoZ)
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Conservatives hoard the spice.
Posted by: Oberlin College Snowflake at January 02, 2016 01:05 PM (Dwehj)
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Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 02, 2016 01:03 PM (6FqZa)
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That's a very interesting perspective. I'm going to think about what you wrote there. GASP - what if I end up agreeing with you !
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That's a very interesting perspective. I'm going to think about what you wrote there. GASP - what if I end up agreeing with you !
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 02, 2016 01:06 PM (dFi94)
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Ooohhhhh!!!!! I'm famous guys, got a link!!! 
Though the last image link has gone bai-bai, lets see if I can find a new one.
http://manfullyalive.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/annunciation.jpg
Though the last image link has gone bai-bai, lets see if I can find a new one.
http://manfullyalive.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/annunciation.jpg
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 02, 2016 01:07 PM (OEWRk)
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And actually, the poor and working often did appreciate the art. In an age where fewer people could read and certainly didn't have the Bible at home to read that'd often how they learned the story of the faith-through strained glasses windows for one thing, From awesome cathedrals that expressed the awesome mature of God
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 02, 2016 01:07 PM (M+RRn)
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Epic fantasy and beautiful art comes from the adoration of God. Scientific debate and speculative fiction come from argument.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 02, 2016 01:03 PM (6FqZa)
We are a stiff-necked people.....
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 02, 2016 01:03 PM (6FqZa)
We are a stiff-necked people.....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 02, 2016 01:07 PM (Zu3d9)
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American choral composer, Morten Lauridsen' s settings of "Lux Aeterna" and "O Magnum Mysterium" are very lovely and deserve repeated listenings.
An absolute classic CD, " Feather on the Breath of God" by the Gothic Voices, is a compilation of the songs of the medieval German nun and mystic, Hildegard of Bingen. It is sublimely beautiful.
An absolute classic CD, " Feather on the Breath of God" by the Gothic Voices, is a compilation of the songs of the medieval German nun and mystic, Hildegard of Bingen. It is sublimely beautiful.
Posted by: Tuna at January 02, 2016 01:08 PM (JSovD)
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Posted by: LCMS Rulz!
You guys are ok I guess. Better than ELCA. But you're not Calvinist enough. Read De Servo Arbitrio. That Melancthon guy has a lot to answer for.
You guys are ok I guess. Better than ELCA. But you're not Calvinist enough. Read De Servo Arbitrio. That Melancthon guy has a lot to answer for.
Posted by: Doctor Martin Luther at January 02, 2016 01:08 PM (7EHW6)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at January 02, 2016 01:08 PM (6FqZa)
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I've never seen. I asked at the gallery how he did it and they said he keeps it secret.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 02, 2016 01:01 PM (1xUj/)
Hart died (way too young) in 1999, so perhaps the secret died with him.
But you really ought to google around for Hart's acrylic works. He called it "sculpting with light". They look amazing.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at January 02, 2016 01:01 PM (1xUj/)
Hart died (way too young) in 1999, so perhaps the secret died with him.
But you really ought to google around for Hart's acrylic works. He called it "sculpting with light". They look amazing.
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 02, 2016 01:08 PM (RDs1n)
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There's a local gun show today. So, far, I'm resisting the urge.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 02, 2016 01:10 PM (n22zQ)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 02, 2016 01:10 PM (iQIUe)
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In some important respects, the Church was show business, an influential entertainment for the poorer classes and middling sort. And it helped cement the earthly power and importance of those who provided it.
Posted by: sarahw at January 02, 2016 01:11 PM (3fTXW)
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"Christianity has the spirit of adoration of God; Judaism has the spirit of arguing with God."
That's a very interesting perspective. I'm going to think about what you wrote there. GASP - what if I end up agreeing with you !
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 02, 2016 01:06 PM (dFi94)
Heh. I was just going to say the same thing. I think Mr. terlit hobo is more or less correct.
That's a very interesting perspective. I'm going to think about what you wrote there. GASP - what if I end up agreeing with you !
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 02, 2016 01:06 PM (dFi94)
Heh. I was just going to say the same thing. I think Mr. terlit hobo is more or less correct.
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 02, 2016 01:11 PM (RDs1n)
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I like the African-American painter Henry Ossawa Tanner. Bible scenes painted in an impressionistic manner. My favorite requiem is by Gabriel Faure.
Posted by: Pete in Texas at January 02, 2016 01:11 PM (hzfXr)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 02, 2016 01:13 PM (Nwg0u)
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I went to the National Gallery of Art in DC with a ginger midget a couple of months ago.
There are no velvet ropes and nothing is behind glass. The ability
to lean in close to a Monet or a Van Gogh and see the actual
brushstrokes is mindblowing.
I went more recently to the museum in Hartford where the opposite is true and it was just hollow.
I remember visiting the Gallery and being amazed that we were allowed to get that close to art hundreds of years old! It took my breath away, and I could have stayed for a month just looking at the beauty that surrounded me.
I went to the National Gallery of Art in DC with a ginger midget a couple of months ago.
There are no velvet ropes and nothing is behind glass. The ability
to lean in close to a Monet or a Van Gogh and see the actual
brushstrokes is mindblowing.
I went more recently to the museum in Hartford where the opposite is true and it was just hollow.
I remember visiting the Gallery and being amazed that we were allowed to get that close to art hundreds of years old! It took my breath away, and I could have stayed for a month just looking at the beauty that surrounded me.
Posted by: California Girl at January 02, 2016 01:14 PM (l+qoZ)
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I think it was Augustine (it was some early church
father at least) who taught that whenever something was transcendent it
was because the Holy Spirit had used that persons ability *even if that
person was not a believer*.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 02, 2016 12:56 PM (GDulk)
I would suggest one of the most beautiful songs ever written was Lennon's Across the Universe. It's a bit of eastern-religion inspired drivel, that happens to carry a meaning to it that was very likely much deeper than anything Lennon could have thought as he was writing it.
I think maybe we can call that the Hand of God. Maybe. Now, let's be clear, I'm not talking about the version that ended up on the album Let It Be. George Martin should be burned at the stake for some of the sins he committed to that album.
I think Lennon himself would have admitted he was still searching for truth at the time of his tragic death. I guess my point being, I don't know that I need to know where God's hand is placed in the writing of inspired music, or paintings, sculptures, etc. My belief, that the divine is hard wired in long before the person creates, is probably no more or less relevant than those who believe God is actively working at the time the creation is being created. Two different views of the same thing, as far as I'm concerned.
father at least) who taught that whenever something was transcendent it
was because the Holy Spirit had used that persons ability *even if that
person was not a believer*.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 02, 2016 12:56 PM (GDulk)
I would suggest one of the most beautiful songs ever written was Lennon's Across the Universe. It's a bit of eastern-religion inspired drivel, that happens to carry a meaning to it that was very likely much deeper than anything Lennon could have thought as he was writing it.
I think maybe we can call that the Hand of God. Maybe. Now, let's be clear, I'm not talking about the version that ended up on the album Let It Be. George Martin should be burned at the stake for some of the sins he committed to that album.
I think Lennon himself would have admitted he was still searching for truth at the time of his tragic death. I guess my point being, I don't know that I need to know where God's hand is placed in the writing of inspired music, or paintings, sculptures, etc. My belief, that the divine is hard wired in long before the person creates, is probably no more or less relevant than those who believe God is actively working at the time the creation is being created. Two different views of the same thing, as far as I'm concerned.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 02, 2016 01:14 PM (TOk1P)
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I some incredible Van Gogh pieces in Amsterdam. I was tripping on acid at the time unfortunately. I kinda wish I had seen them sober. Amsterdam has great art museums. The Prado Museum in Madrid is one of my most favorite ones.
Posted by: L, Elle
Oh gimme a break! Some art was *intended* to be appreciated best when you are stoned out of your mind!
Van Gogh's prolly in that category, mate.
Posted by: L, Elle
Oh gimme a break! Some art was *intended* to be appreciated best when you are stoned out of your mind!
Van Gogh's prolly in that category, mate.
Posted by: Roger Waters and David Gilmour at January 02, 2016 01:14 PM (7EHW6)
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There's a local gun show today. So, far, I'm resisting the urge.
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Yeah, one false step and you could call into a loophole.
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Yeah, one false step and you could call into a loophole.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 02, 2016 01:15 PM (Nwg0u)
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Henry Ossawa Tanner did a beautiful Annunciation in 1898, it hangs in the Philadelphia Museum of Art.
Posted by: Lirio100 at January 02, 2016 01:16 PM (WY8ka)
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"Christianity has the spirit of adoration of God; Judaism has the spirit of arguing with God."
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"Fifty righteous men..."
Abraham: " Okay, look, what if we make it forty.."
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"Fifty righteous men..."
Abraham: " Okay, look, what if we make it forty.."
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 02, 2016 01:17 PM (n22zQ)
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I.sing in a choir that does classical sacred music (SE PA residents should comes to your concerts - I'll try to put up announcements in time).
The music is gorgeous and incredibly complex. One of my favorites so far is Handel's Israel in Egypt. Mostly 2 choirs = 8 vocal parts at a time , wonderful polyphony, amazing orchestration. I would marvel at how he could out all this together, how he could tell how everything would sound at the same time. I consider him an inspired genius. Love Handel and baroque music.
Singing with the choir had also improved my singing in general, even for popular music. There is no more technical music. For singing, I think gospel probably comes closest in difficulty.
I love that as Christians, we get to make wonderful music in worship of God. Music had always been a central part of worship from the time of the Exodus (or before) to the early church to now. As a musical person, it makes me grateful to God, that He created this gift of music and I can use it in His service.
Not really into art but you have got to admire the skill and talent that went into it.
Our standards of beauty have generally been lowered in modern times. I won't even start on the excrement that passed as art nowadays. Performance art, I'm looking at you.
The music is gorgeous and incredibly complex. One of my favorites so far is Handel's Israel in Egypt. Mostly 2 choirs = 8 vocal parts at a time , wonderful polyphony, amazing orchestration. I would marvel at how he could out all this together, how he could tell how everything would sound at the same time. I consider him an inspired genius. Love Handel and baroque music.
Singing with the choir had also improved my singing in general, even for popular music. There is no more technical music. For singing, I think gospel probably comes closest in difficulty.
I love that as Christians, we get to make wonderful music in worship of God. Music had always been a central part of worship from the time of the Exodus (or before) to the early church to now. As a musical person, it makes me grateful to God, that He created this gift of music and I can use it in His service.
Not really into art but you have got to admire the skill and talent that went into it.
Our standards of beauty have generally been lowered in modern times. I won't even start on the excrement that passed as art nowadays. Performance art, I'm looking at you.
Posted by: chique testing testing at January 02, 2016 01:17 PM (v9gSJ)
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I've always been in awe of Michelangelo's sculpture. Sure, his frescos
are magnificent, but how a mere man could take a block of hard, hard
marble and bring it to life as he did with the Pieta..well there are no
words.
Posted by: Tuna
pffffft. I could do that better.
I've always been in awe of Michelangelo's sculpture. Sure, his frescos
are magnificent, but how a mere man could take a block of hard, hard
marble and bring it to life as he did with the Pieta..well there are no
words.
Posted by: Tuna
pffffft. I could do that better.
Posted by: Barack O. at January 02, 2016 01:17 PM (LAe3v)
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Yeah, one false step and you could call into a loophole.
Posted by: The Great White Snark
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S'ok. I'm well-regulated.
Posted by: The Great White Snark
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S'ok. I'm well-regulated.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 02, 2016 01:18 PM (n22zQ)
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Air on the G String isn't bad, either
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Bach did fart music?
Posted by: The Great White Snark
Bastard. Was trying to work out something on that theme, and you beat me to it.
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Bach did fart music?
Posted by: The Great White Snark
Bastard. Was trying to work out something on that theme, and you beat me to it.
Posted by: Lena Dunham at January 02, 2016 01:18 PM (7EHW6)
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Boy, I haven't seen anything like that since I stopped sprinkling LSD on my cornflakes.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 02, 2016 12:52 PM (Nwg0u)
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Shut up! It's religious art.
Boy, I haven't seen anything like that since I stopped sprinkling LSD on my cornflakes.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 02, 2016 12:52 PM (Nwg0u)
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Shut up! It's religious art.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at January 02, 2016 01:20 PM (iQIUe)
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Grammie,
Have you heard Iris Dement's Lifeline? It's an album of the hymns her mom used to play on the piano, any time she was troubled.
Have you heard Iris Dement's Lifeline? It's an album of the hymns her mom used to play on the piano, any time she was troubled.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 02, 2016 01:21 PM (Lqy/e)
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I could use a little air on the g-string right about now. Whew.
Posted by: Sandra Flook at January 02, 2016 01:21 PM (Dwehj)
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I just don't like most of the art, music, food of places like the ME or India.
Can't agree with you on the food thing. Their food awesome.
Can't agree with you on the food thing. Their food awesome.
Posted by: chique testing testing at January 02, 2016 01:22 PM (v9gSJ)
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"Fifty righteous men..."
Abraham: " Okay, look, what if we make it forty.."
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 02, 2016 01:17 PM (n22zQ)
Heh. That's a great example.
Abraham: " Okay, look, what if we make it forty.."
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 02, 2016 01:17 PM (n22zQ)
Heh. That's a great example.
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 02, 2016 01:22 PM (RDs1n)
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Koko the gorilla has delivered a New Year's message pleading with us all to protect the erf.
This is not to be taken lightly.
http://tinyurl.com/zdt728o
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For a minute there, I thought you were racist.
Get back to me when Koko perfects nuclear fusion.
This is not to be taken lightly.
http://tinyurl.com/zdt728o
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For a minute there, I thought you were racist.
Get back to me when Koko perfects nuclear fusion.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 02, 2016 01:22 PM (Nwg0u)
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Have you heard Iris Dement's Lifeline? It's an album of the hymns her mom used to play on the piano, any time she was troubled.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 02, 2016 01:21 PM (Lqy/e)
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No, I have not. Let me look for it ..... and thank you!
Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 02, 2016 01:21 PM (Lqy/e)
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No, I have not. Let me look for it ..... and thank you!
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 02, 2016 01:23 PM (dFi94)
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For high-order contemporary Catholic art, the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception's basilica in Washington, DC is worth a visit.
LINK: http://www.nationalshrine.com/site/c.osJRKVPBJnH/b.4719297/k.BF65/Home.htm
LINK: http://www.nationalshrine.com/site/c.osJRKVPBJnH/b.4719297/k.BF65/Home.htm
Posted by: mrp at January 02, 2016 01:23 PM (JBggj)
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We're doing Mendelssohn's St Paul this spring. Can't wait to start rehearsals!
Only sad thing is that I am the youngest or one of the youngest there by far, and I'm turning 37 on Wednesday. Lots of lovely fluffy haired people, but we need new blood.
Only sad thing is that I am the youngest or one of the youngest there by far, and I'm turning 37 on Wednesday. Lots of lovely fluffy haired people, but we need new blood.
Posted by: chique testing testing at January 02, 2016 01:24 PM (v9gSJ)
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This African chick thinks Western Civ can't be beat.
Posted by: chique testing testing at January 02, 2016 01:25 PM (v9gSJ)
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Iris DeMent doing 'Our Town' breaks my heart. For me, it reflects what has happened to my own town.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRfzAWUf3W4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRfzAWUf3W4
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 02, 2016 01:27 PM (n22zQ)
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Weekend art thread?
I thought the weekend beauty was to be illustrated by the sculptured elbows found in the football threads.
I thought the weekend beauty was to be illustrated by the sculptured elbows found in the football threads.
Posted by: uncultured Moron at January 02, 2016 01:27 PM (H9MG5)
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You may not care for Dement's voice. She's from Arkansas and has that twang. It's a very heartfelt album and has some classic Protestant hymns.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 02, 2016 01:27 PM (Lqy/e)
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157 I could use a little air on the g-string right about now. Whew.
Posted by: Sandra Flook at January 02, 2016 01:21 PM (Dwehj)
Ok, that was funny, but that it's one of my favorites.
Lately I've been listening almost exclusively to classical music, choral and orchestral. And I've started watching YouTube videos where opera stars give masterclasses. Just to help improve my singing some more.
Posted by: Sandra Flook at January 02, 2016 01:21 PM (Dwehj)
Ok, that was funny, but that it's one of my favorites.
Lately I've been listening almost exclusively to classical music, choral and orchestral. And I've started watching YouTube videos where opera stars give masterclasses. Just to help improve my singing some more.
Posted by: chique testing testing at January 02, 2016 01:28 PM (v9gSJ)
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Koko the gorilla has delivered a New Year's message pleading with us all to protect the erf.
Koko wrote "Hair on the G String."
Koko wrote "Hair on the G String."
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 02, 2016 01:29 PM (FkBIv)
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Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at January 02, 2016 12:34 PM (dULJN)
I'd have told her, "Honey, if it weren't for "white privilege" you'd be somewhere in Africa, with leprosy, and toting a 5-gallon bucket of water on your head, your entire daily allowance of water."
I'd have told her, "Honey, if it weren't for "white privilege" you'd be somewhere in Africa, with leprosy, and toting a 5-gallon bucket of water on your head, your entire daily allowance of water."
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 02, 2016 01:29 PM (cKwwS)
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Like everyone, including canonized saints, I have my doubts sometimes. I was not able to go to church much while I was caring for my elderly father. After he died I was able to go to church again. It just felt so right.
Also, while my father was cooped up in the house, unable to go anywhere, and at times, barely lucid, one of the people who came to see him on a regular basis was his parish priest. He's from Nigeria, and I worry about what his family and friends are going through in that country.
Also, while my father was cooped up in the house, unable to go anywhere, and at times, barely lucid, one of the people who came to see him on a regular basis was his parish priest. He's from Nigeria, and I worry about what his family and friends are going through in that country.
Posted by: nerdygirl at January 02, 2016 01:30 PM (kGrwF)
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I quite like this album, Christopher Parkening's Simple Gifts. Not as magnificent as some music mentioned here but almost puritan instrumental songs of worship.
http://tinyurl.com/hgstqvz
http://tinyurl.com/hgstqvz
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 02, 2016 01:30 PM (Nwg0u)
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Most CCM really sucks. I like Breathe Your Name by 6pntr, because of the haunting melody, but the lyrics are kind of vague, theologically. They ain't no Isaac Watts.
Posted by: Stryker at January 02, 2016 01:30 PM (7EHW6)
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Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 02, 2016 01:17 PM (n22zQ)
The older I get the more I appreciate those sorts of passages. Like in Job where G-d tells Job "Funny, I don't remember having your help during creation" or in Jonah "Did *you* plant that vine?" and "What, I'm not allowed to be nice to the animals in Nineveh?" as admitted paraphrases. Also Caleb's daughter saying "Dad, the town you gave me is great an all, but it needs more wells. Please fix that"
The older I get the more I appreciate those sorts of passages. Like in Job where G-d tells Job "Funny, I don't remember having your help during creation" or in Jonah "Did *you* plant that vine?" and "What, I'm not allowed to be nice to the animals in Nineveh?" as admitted paraphrases. Also Caleb's daughter saying "Dad, the town you gave me is great an all, but it needs more wells. Please fix that"
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 02, 2016 01:30 PM (GDulk)
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Koko the gorilla has delivered a New Year's message pleading with us all to protect the erf.
Talk like Yoda, Koko does.
Talk like Yoda, Koko does.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at January 02, 2016 01:33 PM (oVJmc)
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Every time I see a beautiful sculpture with the nose chipped off, I despise that "religion" more.
St. Patrick's Cathedral built Catholic, CoE/CoI since Elizabeth I?) in Dublin has statues/carving that still bear the scars of Cromwell's troops using them for target practice.
St. Patrick's Cathedral built Catholic, CoE/CoI since Elizabeth I?) in Dublin has statues/carving that still bear the scars of Cromwell's troops using them for target practice.
Posted by: Fox2! at January 02, 2016 01:33 PM (brIR5)
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Abraham: " Okay, look, what if we make it forty.."
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Quit your whining or I'll make you find two righteous men in D.C.
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Quit your whining or I'll make you find two righteous men in D.C.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 02, 2016 01:34 PM (Nwg0u)
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The Catholic Church blew it when they got rid of all the beautiful sacred music.
To this day I see people doing beautiful things with "Jubilate Deo" and "Dona Nobis Pacem". Unfortunately, this is not as common as it should be. The best I've seen has been Catholic School Masses where there is someone on the staff who has a strong musical background.
To this day I see people doing beautiful things with "Jubilate Deo" and "Dona Nobis Pacem". Unfortunately, this is not as common as it should be. The best I've seen has been Catholic School Masses where there is someone on the staff who has a strong musical background.
Posted by: nerdygirl at January 02, 2016 01:35 PM (kGrwF)
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Koko the gorilla has delivered a New Year's message pleading with us all to protect the erf.
The folks commenting at the "Daily Mail" link didn't seem too impressed by Koko speech and one thoughtful guy said, "O.K. But I'd like to see the unedited version."
The folks commenting at the "Daily Mail" link didn't seem too impressed by Koko speech and one thoughtful guy said, "O.K. But I'd like to see the unedited version."
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 02, 2016 01:36 PM (M+RRn)
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164 This African chick thinks Western Civ can't be beat.
Posted by: chique testing testing at January 02, 2016 01:25 PM (v9gSJ)
I remember, some years ago, Mohammad Ali coming back to America after one of his bouts that they held in Africa and he said something like "I'm glad my granddaddy was on that boat."
Only now I can't find this quote with Google, so maybe it's apocryphal.
Posted by: chique testing testing at January 02, 2016 01:25 PM (v9gSJ)
I remember, some years ago, Mohammad Ali coming back to America after one of his bouts that they held in Africa and he said something like "I'm glad my granddaddy was on that boat."
Only now I can't find this quote with Google, so maybe it's apocryphal.
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 02, 2016 01:37 PM (RDs1n)
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So much so that Liam Neeson is considering becoming a Moslem because the call to prayer "spoke to his soul," or something.
That, and the murder.
ER, don't forget that bit about treatment of women as sex slaves! That really caught his attention!
That, and the murder.
ER, don't forget that bit about treatment of women as sex slaves! That really caught his attention!
Posted by: Earl T at January 02, 2016 01:37 PM (fpd99)
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God became Man so that Men could become Women.
Posted by: Rev. Caitlyn Jenner at January 02, 2016 01:38 PM (7EHW6)
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I guess I can post this here. There are very few jokes that involve Presbyterians, but here is one:
Did you hear about the Calvinist that fell down the stairs?
He got up, dusted himself off and said: "Well, I'm glad THAT'S over."
Did you hear about the Calvinist that fell down the stairs?
He got up, dusted himself off and said: "Well, I'm glad THAT'S over."
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 02, 2016 01:39 PM (5buP8)
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Break time over. Time to go pack to picking up tree debris from the yard.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 02, 2016 01:39 PM (cKwwS)
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I've been picking up the Phillips "Set Your Life To Music" CDs. They are decent quality and make nice background music while I'm working.
I've come to believe that beauty is the counter to the ugliness that is modern life.
I've come to believe that beauty is the counter to the ugliness that is modern life.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 02, 2016 01:39 PM (Lqy/e)
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This is something that I've always wondered about. Do the Muzzies have great art? They have abstract art, patterns and stuff, and I'm told that poetry is something that they aspire to, but where are the great works of art, the music, the paintings? Architecturally there are some fantastic looking mosques, so I guess they got that going for them, but a religion that doesn't inspire magnificent music and breathtaking masterpieces is lacking because it obviously isn't nurturing the soul.
"There is no fun in islam,"
Ayatollah Khomeini, world renowned goatfuck
"There is no fun in islam,"
Ayatollah Khomeini, world renowned goatfuck
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at January 02, 2016 01:39 PM (LUgeY)
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Grammie, I also like contemporary Christian music (gospel is my form of choice) but I think we really miss something when we replace gonna completely with contemporary music. No one today beats the hymn writers in the beautiful poetry and depth of theology of their songs. Hymns stimulate the heart and intellect.
Most worship songs today are two very simplistic verses and a chorus and maybe a bridge. I wish more churches that do contemporary music would mix in a hymn or two every Sunday, even if done in a more modern style. I once attended an Assemblies of God church that did this.
My favorite artist, Fred Hammond, does have awesome lyrics in his songs, but they generally don't work well for congregational singing.
Most worship songs today are two very simplistic verses and a chorus and maybe a bridge. I wish more churches that do contemporary music would mix in a hymn or two every Sunday, even if done in a more modern style. I once attended an Assemblies of God church that did this.
My favorite artist, Fred Hammond, does have awesome lyrics in his songs, but they generally don't work well for congregational singing.
Posted by: chique testing testing at January 02, 2016 01:42 PM (v9gSJ)
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I guess I can post this here. There are very few jokes that involve Presbyterians, but here is one:
Did you hear about the Calvinist that fell down the stairs?
He got up, dusted himself off and said: "Well, I'm glad THAT'S over."
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin
Thank you for that! I will have to share with my husband; he loves to get into predestination/free will discussions with me. One of the reasons he's my husband!
I guess I can post this here. There are very few jokes that involve Presbyterians, but here is one:
Did you hear about the Calvinist that fell down the stairs?
He got up, dusted himself off and said: "Well, I'm glad THAT'S over."
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin
Thank you for that! I will have to share with my husband; he loves to get into predestination/free will discussions with me. One of the reasons he's my husband!
Posted by: California Girl at January 02, 2016 01:43 PM (l+qoZ)
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I'm re reading Surprised By Joy by Lewis. Where did all the great thinkers go?
Posted by: Beth M at January 02, 2016 01:43 PM (kiy9d)
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Almost forgot:
"The Pieta" ALONE, is proof that God exists.
Look closely at it. No mortal could have done that sculpting, its too perfect.
That sculpture was there all along. With God's help, Michelangelo merely liberated it from the block of marble.
"The Pieta" ALONE, is proof that God exists.
Look closely at it. No mortal could have done that sculpting, its too perfect.
That sculpture was there all along. With God's help, Michelangelo merely liberated it from the block of marble.
Posted by: Earl T at January 02, 2016 01:43 PM (fpd99)
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Jane Goodall?
Yeah, I'd hit that.
And I think Peter Singer is teh awesome. He realizes I'm more important than a clump of human cells forming a "fetus". I do agree with you about one thing: I despise Jeb. He's not quite human.
Yeah, I'd hit that.
And I think Peter Singer is teh awesome. He realizes I'm more important than a clump of human cells forming a "fetus". I do agree with you about one thing: I despise Jeb. He's not quite human.
Posted by: Koko at January 02, 2016 01:44 PM (7EHW6)
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For high-order contemporary Catholic art, the National Shrine of the
Immaculate Conception's basilica in Washington, DC is worth a visit.
It's a matter of personal taste. The exterior looks to me like a hopped-up Taco Bell. There are parts in the interior that are quite lovely, but don't really hold a candle to the best American cathedrals, much less the finest European ones.
For high-order contemporary Catholic art, the National Shrine of the
Immaculate Conception's basilica in Washington, DC is worth a visit.
It's a matter of personal taste. The exterior looks to me like a hopped-up Taco Bell. There are parts in the interior that are quite lovely, but don't really hold a candle to the best American cathedrals, much less the finest European ones.
Posted by: pep at January 02, 2016 01:44 PM (LAe3v)
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I'd have told her, "Honey, if it weren't for "white privilege" you'd be somewhere in Africa, with leprosy, and toting a 5-gallon bucket of water on your head, your entire daily allowance of water."
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 02, 2016 01:29 PM (cKwwS)
Hey! Some of us lived a pretty cushy life on the dark continent!
But I get your point. ;-)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 02, 2016 01:29 PM (cKwwS)
Hey! Some of us lived a pretty cushy life on the dark continent!
But I get your point. ;-)
Posted by: chique testing testing at January 02, 2016 01:45 PM (v9gSJ)
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"I wish more churches that do contemporary music would mix in a hymn or two every Sunday"
I'm not a big church-goer now, but I do attend occasionally. I miss the old hymns. I was surprised with myself at just how much I do miss the old hymns.
I'm not a big church-goer now, but I do attend occasionally. I miss the old hymns. I was surprised with myself at just how much I do miss the old hymns.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at January 02, 2016 01:46 PM (u5gzz)
Posted by: fluffy at January 02, 2016 01:46 PM (AfsKp)
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The folks commenting at the "Daily Mail" link didn't seem too impressed by Koko speech and one thoughtful guy said, "O.K. But I'd like to see the unedited version."
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 02, 2016 01:36 PM (M+RRn)
I don't think we've ever heard anything from "Koko" other than what his handlers claimed he said. i.e. from those who have a vested interested in promulgating the idea that Koko is able to form sentences based on abstract concepts. So I, too, would like to see the unedited transcript.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 02, 2016 01:36 PM (M+RRn)
I don't think we've ever heard anything from "Koko" other than what his handlers claimed he said. i.e. from those who have a vested interested in promulgating the idea that Koko is able to form sentences based on abstract concepts. So I, too, would like to see the unedited transcript.
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 02, 2016 01:48 PM (RDs1n)
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Gardening thread is NOOD.
Posted by: Y-not (@moxiemom) at January 02, 2016 01:48 PM (t5zYU)
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No mortal could have done that sculpting, its too perfect.That sculpture was there all along. With God's help, Michelangelo merely liberated it from the block of marble.
Posted by: Earl T
Hello, duh? It wasn't done by a mortal, but by a turtle. A gay turtle I might add. Turtles are darn near immortal.
Posted by: Earl T
Hello, duh? It wasn't done by a mortal, but by a turtle. A gay turtle I might add. Turtles are darn near immortal.
Posted by: Mitch McConnell at January 02, 2016 01:48 PM (7EHW6)
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Willowed!
Posted by: Mitch McConnell at January 02, 2016 01:49 PM (7EHW6)
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About Tanner's "Annuniciation:" Can confirm. I made a trip from NYC to Philadelphia specifically to see it. Was not disappointed.
Younger people who don't have any association (or negative ones, thanks MSM and Hollywood) don't have the context to understand the narratives in religious art.
Younger people who don't have any association (or negative ones, thanks MSM and Hollywood) don't have the context to understand the narratives in religious art.
Posted by: virginia at January 02, 2016 01:49 PM (11H2y)
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I find the idea that we should be taking what a gorilla is saying seriously very, shall we say, interesting.
I find the idea that we should be taking what a gorilla is saying seriously very, shall we say, interesting.
Posted by: chique testing testing at January 02, 2016 01:50 PM (v9gSJ)
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The Christian god is an opportunity to practice gratitude. Normal humans recognize and appreciate gratitude and anything that follows (high art, service) when we recognize it. So also can other religions or beliefs inspire gratitude, art, and service (Buddhist sculpture, Taoist painting), but the Christian god serves this function better than most.
I'm no more a Christian than I am a Hindu, Muslim, or Buddhist. I'm a devout materialist (i.e., nothing requires explanation but observation and nothing counts as explanation but observations).
I'm no more a Christian than I am a Hindu, Muslim, or Buddhist. I'm a devout materialist (i.e., nothing requires explanation but observation and nothing counts as explanation but observations).
Posted by: Malcolm Kirkpatrick at January 02, 2016 01:51 PM (IbUUZ)
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KOKO 2016
Posted by: Bambi at January 02, 2016 01:52 PM (u5gzz)
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I wish more churches that do contemporary music
would mix in a hymn or two every Sunday, even if done in a more modern
style. I once attended an Assemblies of God church that did this.
Posted by: chique testing testing at January 02, 2016 01:42 PM (v9gSJ)
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chique - I do love the old hymns interpreted in a fresh way. This is the one I am using as the processional in my wedding:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiBXi7uDyg0
would mix in a hymn or two every Sunday, even if done in a more modern
style. I once attended an Assemblies of God church that did this.
Posted by: chique testing testing at January 02, 2016 01:42 PM (v9gSJ)
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chique - I do love the old hymns interpreted in a fresh way. This is the one I am using as the processional in my wedding:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiBXi7uDyg0
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 02, 2016 01:53 PM (dFi94)
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Koko the gorilla has delivered a New Year's message pleading with us all to protect the erf.
Koko wrote "Hair on the G String."
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 02, 2016 01:29 PM (FkBIv)
Also, "Banana: Joy of Ape's Desiring"
Koko wrote "Hair on the G String."
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 02, 2016 01:29 PM (FkBIv)
Also, "Banana: Joy of Ape's Desiring"
Posted by: naturafake at January 02, 2016 01:54 PM (KUa85)
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I don't think we've ever heard anything from "Koko"
other than what his handlers claimed he said. i.e. from those who have a
vested interested in promulgating the idea that Koko is able to form
sentences based on abstract concepts. So I, too, would like to see the
unedited transcript.
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 02, 2016 01:48 PM (RDs1n)
Reminds me of the autistic kid, some outfit figured out a way to get him to communicate with the "outside" world, using their technology. According to what the keyboard he used said, he was something of a freakin' genius, using all sorts of complex means of communicating deep thoughts.
The kid was a minor celeb, graduated high school, and was ready to start college before they figured out the tech stuff was a complete and utter fraud. He wasn't communicating at all. It was the pre-programmed computerized manner of tapping into his "thoughts" doing all the work.
I wish I could remember more details of this story, where it was, who was behind it, what the fallout was... and where this kid is now.
other than what his handlers claimed he said. i.e. from those who have a
vested interested in promulgating the idea that Koko is able to form
sentences based on abstract concepts. So I, too, would like to see the
unedited transcript.
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 02, 2016 01:48 PM (RDs1n)
Reminds me of the autistic kid, some outfit figured out a way to get him to communicate with the "outside" world, using their technology. According to what the keyboard he used said, he was something of a freakin' genius, using all sorts of complex means of communicating deep thoughts.
The kid was a minor celeb, graduated high school, and was ready to start college before they figured out the tech stuff was a complete and utter fraud. He wasn't communicating at all. It was the pre-programmed computerized manner of tapping into his "thoughts" doing all the work.
I wish I could remember more details of this story, where it was, who was behind it, what the fallout was... and where this kid is now.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 02, 2016 01:54 PM (TOk1P)
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"I wish more churches that do contemporary music would mix in a hymn or two every Sunday"
I'm not a fan of CCM or contemporary hymnology/praise choruses. Isaac Watts is about as modern as I get.
I'm not a fan of CCM or contemporary hymnology/praise choruses. Isaac Watts is about as modern as I get.
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 02, 2016 01:54 PM (RDs1n)
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The church and some royalty had the wealth to support the artists capable of such magnificence. The inspiration that guided the art is beyond that wealth.
I saw the Pieta at the 1964 New York Worlds Fair. I still remember its power and grace over half a century later.
I saw the Pieta at the 1964 New York Worlds Fair. I still remember its power and grace over half a century later.
Posted by: JTB at January 02, 2016 01:55 PM (FvdPb)
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Isaac Watts is about as modern as I get.
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 02, 2016 01:54 PM (RDs1n)
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I find he's a little hard to dance to.
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 02, 2016 01:54 PM (RDs1n)
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I find he's a little hard to dance to.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 02, 2016 01:55 PM (dFi94)
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I saw the Pieta at the 1964 New York Worlds Fair. I still remember its power and grace over half a century later.
Posted by: JTB at January 02, 2016 01:55 PM (FvdPb)
I had the same feeling, when I went to Tigers Stadium in the late 90s.
Posted by: JTB at January 02, 2016 01:55 PM (FvdPb)
I had the same feeling, when I went to Tigers Stadium in the late 90s.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 02, 2016 01:57 PM (TOk1P)
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I find he's a little hard to dance to.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 02, 2016 01:55 PM (dFi94)
Ha! Well, yeah...
Did you tell your family, yet? How did they take it?
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 02, 2016 01:55 PM (dFi94)
Ha! Well, yeah...
Did you tell your family, yet? How did they take it?
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 02, 2016 01:59 PM (RDs1n)
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I love the old hymns and i very much appreciate the theology behind them, but I'm getting to like some modern music because one of the laypeople I work with at the church works for a Christian music station and she knows all the modern songs.
I like this-although she didn't find it. It's Matt Maher doing his take on "Because He Lives". I've posted it before but maybe Chique or some others would like it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJXKBqeNvDk
I like this-although she didn't find it. It's Matt Maher doing his take on "Because He Lives". I've posted it before but maybe Chique or some others would like it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJXKBqeNvDk
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 02, 2016 01:59 PM (M+RRn)
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at January 02, 2016 02:00 PM (hipNa)
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Did you tell your family, yet? How did they take it?
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 02, 2016 01:59 PM (RDs1n)
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Yep, we did the big reveal on Christmas. My mother and father are over the moon with delight. Son puts on a big show of total revulsion but it's all in good fun and in a serious moment admitted he thought it was a good thing. Daughter is struggling a little, so I have to be sensitive there. I hope you had a wonderful Christmas!
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 02, 2016 01:59 PM (RDs1n)
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Yep, we did the big reveal on Christmas. My mother and father are over the moon with delight. Son puts on a big show of total revulsion but it's all in good fun and in a serious moment admitted he thought it was a good thing. Daughter is struggling a little, so I have to be sensitive there. I hope you had a wonderful Christmas!
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 02, 2016 02:01 PM (dFi94)
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Depiction of the human form is sternly forbidden, as
a glorification of man over the glorification of Allah. Worship of
anything less than Allah (God, in the case of Jews and Christians).
Mirrors can even be a problem among the most severe sects. Photography
among the Wahabbis is almost unheard of.
I suspect that that is part of why the ISIS troops cover their
faces: not because they are some kind of grand ninja warriors or
guerrillas, but to comply with the stricture against depiction of the
human form.
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at January 02, 2016 12:34 PM (O4NI/)
I know that. First of all, fuck 'em. That right there is indication of a "god" with an inferiority complex. Who wants to follow that? Allah" is the weakest "god" out there. When my God was challenged by man, his response was ehyeh aser ehyeh, I AM that IAM, IOW, he didn't even need to deign to answer. Allah? Whiny bitch.
Second, and on point, even given that, where are the abstracts, the landscapes? It's perfectly possible to glorify God through art without depicting the human form.
And what does that have to do with music?
a glorification of man over the glorification of Allah. Worship of
anything less than Allah (God, in the case of Jews and Christians).
Mirrors can even be a problem among the most severe sects. Photography
among the Wahabbis is almost unheard of.
I suspect that that is part of why the ISIS troops cover their
faces: not because they are some kind of grand ninja warriors or
guerrillas, but to comply with the stricture against depiction of the
human form.
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at January 02, 2016 12:34 PM (O4NI/)
I know that. First of all, fuck 'em. That right there is indication of a "god" with an inferiority complex. Who wants to follow that? Allah" is the weakest "god" out there. When my God was challenged by man, his response was ehyeh aser ehyeh, I AM that IAM, IOW, he didn't even need to deign to answer. Allah? Whiny bitch.
Second, and on point, even given that, where are the abstracts, the landscapes? It's perfectly possible to glorify God through art without depicting the human form.
And what does that have to do with music?
Posted by: Weirddave at January 02, 2016 02:02 PM (N8hFs)
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I find he's a little hard to dance to.
Q: Why don't (Baptists/Methodists/Whatever) have sex while standing up?
A: It might lead to dancing.
Q: Why don't (Baptists/Methodists/Whatever) have sex while standing up?
A: It might lead to dancing.
Posted by: Fox2! at January 02, 2016 02:02 PM (brIR5)
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Issac Watts was a very interesting and extremely intelligent man.
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/watts
I always thought it was interesting that "Joy To The World" was not intended as Christmas hymn, yet we aways sings it at Christmas. It's more about Christ's second coming.
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/watts
I always thought it was interesting that "Joy To The World" was not intended as Christmas hymn, yet we aways sings it at Christmas. It's more about Christ's second coming.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 02, 2016 02:03 PM (M+RRn)
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Grammie, well, at least your son doesn't think it's a sign of the End Times.
And hopefully, all your daughter needs is a little time.
And hopefully, all your daughter needs is a little time.
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 02, 2016 02:04 PM (RDs1n)
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My favorite requiem is by Gabriel Faure.
Posted by: Pete in Texas at January 02, 2016 01:11 PM (hzfXr)
That's one of the first pieces I sang with my choir. Hauntingly beautiful. It's one of my favorites.
Posted by: Pete in Texas at January 02, 2016 01:11 PM (hzfXr)
That's one of the first pieces I sang with my choir. Hauntingly beautiful. It's one of my favorites.
Posted by: chique testing testing at January 02, 2016 02:05 PM (v9gSJ)
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On Fox: Dale Bumpers (Ark Dem Sen/Gov) has died.
Posted by: Fox2! at January 02, 2016 02:05 PM (brIR5)
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To be fair, being an artist during the Renaisssance was the equivalent of being a gaming programmer now - you could make a boatload of money. Paolo Ucello was a Renaissance artist who pioneered the use of perspectives and vanishing points in his work but it was an outgrowth of his fascination with math. Vasari's Lives of the Great Artists notes that his father implored him to give up math in favor of art, so he could make a living. Many artists were religiously motivated but not all...Caravaggio was a lowlife who murdered some guy over a game of tennis.
Posted by: vivi at January 02, 2016 02:05 PM (11H2y)
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A: It might lead to dancing.
Posted by: Fox2! at January 02, 2016 02:02 PM (brIR5)
Ha! That's one of my favorite religious jokes!
Posted by: Fox2! at January 02, 2016 02:02 PM (brIR5)
Ha! That's one of my favorite religious jokes!
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 02, 2016 02:05 PM (RDs1n)
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I always thought it was interesting that "Joy To The
World" was not intended as Christmas hymn, yet we aways sings it at
Christmas. It's more about Christ's second coming.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 02, 2016 02:03 PM (M+RRn)
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Yes, I was taken aback at that too when I first learned about it a few years ago. But then I studied the lyrics, and lo and behold - it's true. 2nd, not 1st.
World" was not intended as Christmas hymn, yet we aways sings it at
Christmas. It's more about Christ's second coming.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 02, 2016 02:03 PM (M+RRn)
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Yes, I was taken aback at that too when I first learned about it a few years ago. But then I studied the lyrics, and lo and behold - it's true. 2nd, not 1st.
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Grammie, well, at least your son doesn't think it's a sign of the End Times.
And hopefully, all your daughter needs is a little time.
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 02, 2016 02:04 PM (RDs1n)
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Thanks OR.
And hopefully, all your daughter needs is a little time.
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 02, 2016 02:04 PM (RDs1n)
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Thanks OR.
Posted by: grammie winger, sign of The Time at January 02, 2016 02:07 PM (dFi94)
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Iris DeMent doing 'Our Town' breaks my heart. For me, it reflects what has happened to my own town.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRfzAWUf3W4
Posted by: Mike Hammer
That is heartbreakingly beautiful. It seems like it's true of a lot of places that weren't the towns they were, that were ruined by the modern. Like my hometown, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRfzAWUf3W4
Posted by: Mike Hammer
That is heartbreakingly beautiful. It seems like it's true of a lot of places that weren't the towns they were, that were ruined by the modern. Like my hometown, too.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at January 02, 2016 02:08 PM (+1T7c)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 02, 2016 02:09 PM (YIHHg)
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Second, and on point, even given that, where are the
abstracts, the landscapes? It's perfectly possible to glorify God
through art without depicting the human form.
And what does that have to do with music?
Posted by: Weirddave at January 02, 2016 02:02 PM (N8hFs)
Somewhat off-point, but JMM Turner is probably the single greatest landscape artist of all time. His mix of colors is, as others have been suggesting here, proof of God's existence. What he could do with paint was nothing short of a miracle.
Couldn't paint the human form to save his life though. When he tossed people into the paintings, they always looked like an afterthought, or something he let one of his kids do when he was done with the rest of it.
abstracts, the landscapes? It's perfectly possible to glorify God
through art without depicting the human form.
And what does that have to do with music?
Posted by: Weirddave at January 02, 2016 02:02 PM (N8hFs)
Somewhat off-point, but JMM Turner is probably the single greatest landscape artist of all time. His mix of colors is, as others have been suggesting here, proof of God's existence. What he could do with paint was nothing short of a miracle.
Couldn't paint the human form to save his life though. When he tossed people into the paintings, they always looked like an afterthought, or something he let one of his kids do when he was done with the rest of it.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 02, 2016 02:10 PM (TOk1P)
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Crep. I meant JMW Turner. I might have had half a mind on JRR Tolkien, or George RRRRRR Martin.
I hate middle initials. Such superfluous, silly things, they are.
I hate middle initials. Such superfluous, silly things, they are.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 02, 2016 02:11 PM (TOk1P)
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Beyond the overtly religious, think of the other masterpieces, especially in music and literature, that derive from the Christian culture. The music of Bach, Mozart and Vivaldi. The Canterbury Tales, much of Shakespeare, Pope, and Milton, Lord of the Rings and the writings of CS Lewis.
If there is anything comparable that derives from Islam, it is a well kept secret.
If there is anything comparable that derives from Islam, it is a well kept secret.
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Glad my linking to Tanner has stirred some discussion. I simply liked how he handled the whole scene in a bit more modern way.
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Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 02, 2016 02:03 PM (M+RRn)
Many (well, at least some, okay We Three Kings) Christmas carols go through the entire gospel if all the verses are sung. It's a shame almost no one knows the full songs anymore. The only reason I do is from buying an old hymnal at a used book store.
Many (well, at least some, okay We Three Kings) Christmas carols go through the entire gospel if all the verses are sung. It's a shame almost no one knows the full songs anymore. The only reason I do is from buying an old hymnal at a used book store.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 02, 2016 02:16 PM (GDulk)
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I guess I like the old hymns because so many express the awesome majesty of God. It's not that I don't believe we have a friend in Jesus; We certainly do and Joseph Scriven certainly wasn't a modern hymn writer, but in some modern songs and praise choruses (ones that I've sung too)-It's about "Me" and less about God or rather, what God will do for me.
It's hard to beat this:
Thous reignest in glory; thou dwellest in light;
Thine angels adore they; all veiling their sight;
All laud we would render; O help us to see.
'tis only the splendor of light hidest thee."
Walter Chalmers Smith-Immortal, Invisible, God Only Wise" (1867)
It's beautiful imagery and it's biblically based.
But I do like Ortega. I was not familiar with his music before you pointed him out to me. Thanks, Grammie!.
It's hard to beat this:
Thous reignest in glory; thou dwellest in light;
Thine angels adore they; all veiling their sight;
All laud we would render; O help us to see.
'tis only the splendor of light hidest thee."
Walter Chalmers Smith-Immortal, Invisible, God Only Wise" (1867)
It's beautiful imagery and it's biblically based.
But I do like Ortega. I was not familiar with his music before you pointed him out to me. Thanks, Grammie!.
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Posted by: BurtTC at January 02, 2016 02:10 PM (TOk1P)
His "Fisherman At Sea" is incredible. Nothing idyllic...just foreboding, with a ray of hope.
it reminded me of El Greco's "View of oledo."
His "Fisherman At Sea" is incredible. Nothing idyllic...just foreboding, with a ray of hope.
it reminded me of El Greco's "View of oledo."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 02, 2016 02:16 PM (Zu3d9)
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JMW Turner
There was a movie showing about two or three days ago in which a number of English artists from this period were shown putting together an exhibition. Turner, IIRC, was among them, but the subject of the movie itself was another English artist.
I didn't catch the name of the film? Can someone here put some knowledge to me about it? Thanks.
JMW Turner
There was a movie showing about two or three days ago in which a number of English artists from this period were shown putting together an exhibition. Turner, IIRC, was among them, but the subject of the movie itself was another English artist.
I didn't catch the name of the film? Can someone here put some knowledge to me about it? Thanks.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at January 02, 2016 02:17 PM (YIHHg)
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Get back to me when Koko perfects nuclear fusion.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 02, 2016 01:22 PM (Nwg0u)
Or makes a clock?
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 02, 2016 01:22 PM (Nwg0u)
Or makes a clock?
Posted by: Ian Galt at January 02, 2016 02:18 PM (8iiMU)
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Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at January 02, 2016 02:16 PM (GDulk)
Yes, "We Three Kinds" gets quite intense there about the suffering, death and resurrection of Jesus..
I know all the verses because I've been singing them since the late 80's :^)
Yes, "We Three Kinds" gets quite intense there about the suffering, death and resurrection of Jesus..
I know all the verses because I've been singing them since the late 80's :^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 02, 2016 02:18 PM (M+RRn)
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Well between the minor quake off northern California and Koko sending messages, guess I best get to writing some more before reality overtakes me.
Posted by: Anna Puma at January 02, 2016 02:20 PM (OEWRk)
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Isaac Watts was fugly. The woman he wooed told him, "It's too bad the casket isn't as lovely as the jewel".
Too bad he didn't live in today's world. He could have gotten plastic surgery and look real beautiful.
Too bad he didn't live in today's world. He could have gotten plastic surgery and look real beautiful.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at January 02, 2016 02:23 PM (7EHW6)
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I'm a devout materialist (i.e., nothing requires explanation but observation and nothing counts as explanation but observations).
Posted by: Malcolm Kirkpatrick at January 02, 2016 01:51 PM (IbUUZ)
Huge assumptions there.
Posted by: Malcolm Kirkpatrick at January 02, 2016 01:51 PM (IbUUZ)
Huge assumptions there.
Posted by: chique testing testing at January 02, 2016 02:24 PM (v9gSJ)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiBXi7uDyg0
Grammie, very nice! And congratulations on your upcoming nuptials!
Grammie, very nice! And congratulations on your upcoming nuptials!
Posted by: chique testing testing at January 02, 2016 02:27 PM (v9gSJ)
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FS, I like modern styles of music. I just wish the lyrics, and to some extent the melodies, of modern worship song had more depth.
Posted by: chique testing testing at January 02, 2016 02:29 PM (v9gSJ)
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Our Town is the first song I heard by Iris Dement. They used it on the last episode of Northern Exposure. She's also done some nice duets with John Prine.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at January 02, 2016 02:37 PM (Lqy/e)
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FS, I agree. to me, the modern worship songs, a lot of them, are about how God makes me feel rather than how great God isand the mighty works he has done. my poor nephew, who is in his youth groups worship team, has the misfortune of suffering through my rant on this topic from time to time. I may be a bit biased, but I think that black gospel music suffers less from this to some extent.
Posted by: chique testing testing at January 02, 2016 02:38 PM (v9gSJ)
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I'm a devout materialist (i.e., nothing requires explanation but observation and nothing counts as explanation but observations). Posted by: Malcolm Kirkpatrick at January 02, 2016 01:51 PM (IbUUZ) Huge assumptions there.Posted by: chique
Malcolm, I'm a materialist myself. I agree with 1.
But what about consciousness? We observe that, yet nothing gives a satisfactory account of it, including Daniel Dennett.
I disagree with 2. Let's say you land on Mars and you see what appears to be ancient machinery. You can infer an alien civilization is responsible, as an explanation. You don't have to observe them.
Malcolm, I'm a materialist myself. I agree with 1.
But what about consciousness? We observe that, yet nothing gives a satisfactory account of it, including Daniel Dennett.
I disagree with 2. Let's say you land on Mars and you see what appears to be ancient machinery. You can infer an alien civilization is responsible, as an explanation. You don't have to observe them.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at January 02, 2016 02:40 PM (7EHW6)
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Good point; So much of it is about feelings.
You can rant to me anytime.
Does your nephew understand your point of view or does he just regarding as auntie's rant?. ;^)
You can rant to me anytime.
Does your nephew understand your point of view or does he just regarding as auntie's rant?. ;^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 02, 2016 02:44 PM (M+RRn)
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Sorry-meant Regarding "it" as....
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 02, 2016 02:46 PM (M+RRn)
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Does your nephew understand your point of view or does he just regarding as auntie's rant?. ;^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 02, 2016 02:44 PM (M+RRn)
I think he is understanding little by little. For some reason, the teenager greatly values Auntie chique's opinions.
If he decides to go into music, it would be great if he composed theologically sound, Christ-centered modern music.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 02, 2016 02:44 PM (M+RRn)
I think he is understanding little by little. For some reason, the teenager greatly values Auntie chique's opinions.
If he decides to go into music, it would be great if he composed theologically sound, Christ-centered modern music.
Posted by: chique testing testing at January 02, 2016 02:48 PM (v9gSJ)
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For some reason, the teenager greatly values Auntie chique's opinions.
Well, then, he's a smart young man!
Well, then, he's a smart young man!
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 02, 2016 02:53 PM (M+RRn)
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All Gore: the Koko of human beings.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at January 02, 2016 02:54 PM (LMIwZ)
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When I visited St Peter's in 2003 I was about brought to my knees by the emotional impact of the Pieta. Spent the next 15 minutes wiping away tears. Totally unexpected.
Posted by: ObjectionSustained at January 02, 2016 02:57 PM (E638h)
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First time commenter, long time listener...Open Blogger's a Jew!? Did everyone know that but me? Which one's him anyway? I always figured everyone was Ace. Now I gotta make me a whole new set of conspiracy theories.
Posted by: The great kandinsky at January 02, 2016 02:59 PM (YYtnt)
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A good vocalist can make all the difference in a mass. A good one can lift your soul and a bad one can drive you out of the pews.
The shrine of Our Lady queen of the Universe in Orlando has Disney singers bolstering the choir. Quite impressive.
The shrine of Our Lady queen of the Universe in Orlando has Disney singers bolstering the choir. Quite impressive.
Posted by: Iblis at January 02, 2016 03:03 PM (rP2JJ)
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Krebs - I believe the movie you're referring to is Mr Turner. Great movie, Mike Leigh. With Timothy Spall as Turner. But Turner is the focus of that film so I might be wrong.
Posted by: Grandmalcaesar at January 02, 2016 03:30 PM (7WAj1)
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Back. Beer break. Picking up the yard is thirsty work. And I helped an elderly neighbor start his car by boosting it off one my batteries. So my good deed for the day is done.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 02, 2016 03:38 PM (cKwwS)
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As the "other Jewish carpenter" I have to concur with the author. I've attended midnight Mass on Christmas eve a number of times at "historic St. Pat's" in Toledo, and am always struck by the sheer joy that is embodied in this service. I don't kneel when the parishioners do, but I've been welcomed as a guest every time. The church itself is flat-out gorgeous, with walnut woodwork and inlaid shamrocks in the time floor. I realize they had a lot more money to spend than the founders of the Temple of my youth, but you get what you pay for. As for music, in my experience even the happy Jewish songs are in a minor key, and the sad ones are REALLY sad. The Episcopal church of my ex-wife had the most stilted, white-bread-and-miracle-whip-lame music imaginable. The black folks have us here, kids. I attended services a few times as a youth with the guys in my bands, and the AME and United Methodist churches had gospel music you could feel all the way down. At a funeral last year I joined in singing several hymns, and an acquaintance, a black retired teacher of about 65 who grew up in GA, turned around and said, "Boy, where'd you learn to sing like that?" Not in Temple, that's for sure.
Posted by: Cowboyneal at January 02, 2016 03:51 PM (cA3on)
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I think maybe we can call that the Hand of God. Maybe. Now, let's be clear, I'm not talking about the version that ended up on the album Let It Be. George Martin should be burned at the stake for some of the sins he committed to that album.
That was Phil Spector's doing. He was brought in after the recording sessions to salvage the project as the band was breaking up.
That was Phil Spector's doing. He was brought in after the recording sessions to salvage the project as the band was breaking up.
Posted by: rickl at January 02, 2016 04:04 PM (sdi6R)
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Art is in the eye of the beholder....yada, yada....
As many have stated here, basically good art touches your soul and has an emotional aspect.
If I see, touch, taste, or hear good art I just "feel" it in my soul. Goosebumps and many times tears.
As many have stated here, basically good art touches your soul and has an emotional aspect.
If I see, touch, taste, or hear good art I just "feel" it in my soul. Goosebumps and many times tears.
Posted by: lindafell de spair at January 02, 2016 04:15 PM (xVgrA)
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What is given to the Christian is also given to the Jew. Neither needs to be jealous of the other.
Good thread.
Good thread.
Posted by: Sam in VA at January 02, 2016 06:02 PM (9stgl)
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If you are a believer in Christ, it all makes sense. Of course we have this beautiful representation of God made man, his saints and mother, along with music that has no equal and stained class that makes me cry or come. Don't follow me around at Chartres or the Sistine Chapel or Notre Dame. Please, you creep me out.
God in art reflects God's glory or man's desire to fool himself. I believe, if you don't, you might go to Hell for an eternity of brimstone and fire, but, hey, Jesus's judges and not me.
What are humans capable of? The Sistine Chapel or the destruction of ruins in Palmyra. I know what side I am on.
God in art reflects God's glory or man's desire to fool himself. I believe, if you don't, you might go to Hell for an eternity of brimstone and fire, but, hey, Jesus's judges and not me.
What are humans capable of? The Sistine Chapel or the destruction of ruins in Palmyra. I know what side I am on.
Posted by: June Shelton at January 02, 2016 06:23 PM (HlY31)
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Second, and on point, even given that, where are the abstracts, the landscapes? It's perfectly possible to glorify God through art without depicting the human form.
And what does that have to do with music?
Posted by: Weirddave at January 02, 2016 02:02 PM (N8hFs)
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General idea is that unless Mohammed spoke favorably about something, the first reaction out of the box is to forbid it. It all gets rolled in under the precept that only the Quran can be used to praise Allah. My guess is that Mohammed probably couldn't sing or paint for s**t, so for art they wind up just doing squiggles from the calligraphy lessons.
Fully agree that Allah is a puny little god-thingy. He's mostly just an excuse for a brutal hedonism. President Obama made a big deal about the Crusades. The world has moved on from that; the head-bangers haven't.
Cheers! I always enjoy your work.
And what does that have to do with music?
Posted by: Weirddave at January 02, 2016 02:02 PM (N8hFs)
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General idea is that unless Mohammed spoke favorably about something, the first reaction out of the box is to forbid it. It all gets rolled in under the precept that only the Quran can be used to praise Allah. My guess is that Mohammed probably couldn't sing or paint for s**t, so for art they wind up just doing squiggles from the calligraphy lessons.
Fully agree that Allah is a puny little god-thingy. He's mostly just an excuse for a brutal hedonism. President Obama made a big deal about the Crusades. The world has moved on from that; the head-bangers haven't.
Cheers! I always enjoy your work.
Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at January 02, 2016 09:50 PM (O4NI/)
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As we well know, there is no tradition of religious visual art in Islam. There are a some pictures from Persian Islam, a great deal of excellent decorative arts, but no portraiture, no depictions of human society. The taboo on idolatry in Islam is to blame.
Yet whatever reason, in an artform with no risk of idolatry, there is no tradition of serious compositional music in any Islamic culture. None. Anywhere. Ever. You can find folk music, pop music and martial music, but no art music, and certainly no religiously inspired compositions.
This absence of normal human expression leads me to ask, "What's missing?"
Yet whatever reason, in an artform with no risk of idolatry, there is no tradition of serious compositional music in any Islamic culture. None. Anywhere. Ever. You can find folk music, pop music and martial music, but no art music, and certainly no religiously inspired compositions.
This absence of normal human expression leads me to ask, "What's missing?"
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