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Hillary: No I Won't Apologize For Or Retract My Newest Completely Fabricated Lie About Terrorism Being Inspired by YouTube Vidoes
She says ISIS is playing Donald Trump videos to recruit terrorists, which sounds an awful lot like her previous infamous lie about a YouTube video inspiring a spontaneous demonstration in Benghazi.
There's no evidence for this lie -- just like there was no evidence for the last one. Just political convenience. And yes, just like last time, she's not only not sorry, she's indignant you'd even ask about that. This confirms the Democrats -- Obama, Hillary, ValJar, all of them -- really do believe that terrorists only attack us because we cross progressives' red lines of good PC Taste. Or, as AllahPundit puts it:There's a distinct odor of unimaginative bourgeois left-media consensus around the freakout over Trump as a supposed recruiting tool for ISIS, as if ISIS is some partisan oppo research outfit that can’t ethically invent things whole cloth but will twist an actual fact to their advantage-- and look, Trump handed them an actual fact! The actual thought process here, I think, goes something like this: Cartoonish right-wing populism is the worst thing they can imagine in their own personal Overton window of American politics, therefore any cartoonish right-wing populist proposal must necessarily be enabling ISIS, the world’s worst, most dangerous group of people. It may not actually be true, and it might make no sense when you think about it for five minutes, but this is Larger Truth material if ever there was any.It's also a demonstration of the progressive conviction that terrorism is actually the fault of its Western victims -- as Michael Moore said of 9/11, why did those terrorists kill the nice people of NYC, when it was really the people of the heartland who were the justifiable targets? In the minds of some progressives, terrorists' main failing is their inability to distinguish worthy American targets from forbidden ones. I suppose that's why they spend so much time signalling that they're among the Good, Polite, Deferential People who will sign up for sharia and even convert to Islam if that turns out to be Just What ISIS (Really) Wants.
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(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 08:49 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: Freddy Mercury at December 21, 2015 08:49 PM (k9qR4)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 21, 2015 08:49 PM (T78UI)
Posted by: JarvisW at December 21, 2015 08:49 PM (3+E+K)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 08:49 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: huerfano at December 21, 2015 08:50 PM (NSb9d)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 08:50 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: JarvisW at December 21, 2015 08:50 PM (3+E+K)
Posted by: Chelsea's new baby fetus clump of cells at December 21, 2015 08:50 PM (H9MG5)
Posted by: Freddy Mercury at December 21, 2015 08:50 PM (k9qR4)
Posted by: Roy at December 21, 2015 08:52 PM (fWLrt)
Posted by: washrivergal at December 21, 2015 08:53 PM (CFc5L)
Posted by: fluffy at December 21, 2015 08:54 PM (AfsKp)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 08:54 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Sanfranpsycho at December 21, 2015 08:55 PM (Vv/Pc)
Posted by: washrivergal at December 21, 2015 08:53 PM (CFc5L)
I am continually amazed that she is taken seriously as a candidate. No one seems to care that she is awful.
Posted by: Lea at December 21, 2015 08:55 PM (aUjAM)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 08:56 PM (voOPb)
Ever noticed how bulky her outfits look? I'm betting they've got her fitted with some heavy duty Depends to guard against such an event.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 21, 2015 08:56 PM (dvuhZ)
Posted by: Lea at December 21, 2015 08:55 PM (aUjAM)
You and me both babe
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2015 08:57 PM (DUoqb)
Once you factor that in, everything they say makes sense.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 21, 2015 08:57 PM (B8JRQ)
I got to see the whole SpaceX launch and landing live.
Yet another reason to love Casa Backwardio.
As a child of the Space Age, I can say it was the most awesome thing I've ever seen in my life.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 21, 2015 08:58 PM (LUgeY)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2015 08:58 PM (DUoqb)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 08:59 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 08:59 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: Cacklin' Cankles at December 21, 2015 08:59 PM (AfsKp)
Posted by: The Jackhole at December 21, 2015 09:00 PM (dULJN)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2015 09:00 PM (9mTYi)
Right that people read your missives with bias based upon their Tribal Identity. Wrong that shit's falling apart because of the foolishness of Tribal Identity.
Right that I'm Calling You Out ... but Wrong Because You Shouldn't Be Called Out.
People are Lining Up. Self Sorting.
Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:00 PM (qmMG2)
Posted by: Depends at December 21, 2015 09:00 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 21, 2015 09:01 PM (ucDmr)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2015 09:00 PM (9mTYi)
That's only true in a just universe!
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:01 PM (ftVQq)
O/T
I got to see the whole SpaceX launch and landing live.
I had to settle for a replay on YouTube.
Still totally awesome.
Posted by: Anachronda at December 21, 2015 09:01 PM (o78gS)
Good thing the Amish don't use computers or watch YouTube.... imagine the havoc they'd wreak!
Posted by: thanking our lucky stars at December 21, 2015 09:01 PM (H9MG5)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:02 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 21, 2015 09:02 PM (dvuhZ)
Here's hoping Mik'al Moor is in residence.
Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2015 09:02 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Hillary! at December 21, 2015 09:03 PM (J3phO)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 09:03 PM (fqFkQ)
Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2015 09:03 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:05 PM (C3E0x)
Posted by: Ex Nyc Pissant peasant at December 21, 2015 09:05 PM (MN2VM)
Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 09:05 PM (nIGPZ)
Posted by: But so what at December 21, 2015 09:05 PM (7wyDO)
Posted by: t-bird at December 21, 2015 09:05 PM (J3phO)
Take Debbie Whatsher Shits, who sat there on air and denied she said what she said as they played the tape back of her saying it. An apology is an admission of wrong.
I gotta say Trump has this tendency as well.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 21, 2015 09:06 PM (gyKtp)
Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2015 09:06 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2015 09:03 PM (g8Hfr)
Oh, I do so hope The Huntsman runs. Not just because he's got hot daughters, but because it would be the perfect ending to a perfectly fine country.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 21, 2015 09:06 PM (Dj0WE)
Trump will not give a shit.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 21, 2015 09:07 PM (dvuhZ)
Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:07 PM (C3E0x)
And you gotta' be right.
When pushed - how far shall one go ?
Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:07 PM (qmMG2)
Or the Ferg from the Black I'd Peez? A somewhat famous (innernet-wise) pic.
And no, I'm not going to look it up, I'm already sick enough.
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at December 21, 2015 09:07 PM (k9qR4)
Posted by: Depends
Now With Three-Day Capacity!
Posted by: t-bird at December 21, 2015 09:05 PM (J3phO)
Special Limited Edition Debate Version available until November 2016.
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:07 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:07 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:07 PM (uZNvH)
Here's to true conservatives, and true Scotsmen!
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:09 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: Lea at December 21, 2015 08:55 PM (aUjAM)
Yet some people I know are aghast that I would vote for Trump in the general instead of Hillary. (I am a Cruz chique but will vote for the disgusting earthworms that come out after it reasons if they were running against Hillary).
Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 09:09 PM (nIGPZ)
a) Trump says we should not let muslims into the country until we can weed out the terrorists,
b) ?????????
c) muslims get extra explodey in a way that harms us directly
They hate us already and they might even hate us more if we don't let them in so they can kill us at their convenience but SO WHAT? It least they are somewhere far away hating us extra hard.
*editorial comment: this would be in my opinion forever but lets assume
for the sake of argument that the government is able to get its shit together on this point
Posted by: redbanzai at December 21, 2015 09:10 PM (NPofj)
This is no different than blaming Palin for the AZ shooting. The narrative for domestic terrorism is, by default, that it's a white, conservative tea party dude until proven otherwise --- even though there has not been a single case of this happening.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 21, 2015 09:10 PM (NOIQH)
Amen or at a minimum reform...
Of course the DC gop has made up its mind to show its belly the next 13 months.
Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2015 09:10 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:09 PM (ftVQq)
This is gonna be the best election evar!
Posted by: BurtTC at December 21, 2015 09:10 PM (Dj0WE)
At this point I don't care much about whether some world leader or politician successfully jumps through "conservative" hoops. I care about whether I can find a country on this planet where the leaders will accept me and accept those who wish me well, and deny entry to those who wish me harm.
How much am I willing to pay in taxes to live in such a nation? Well, on that much, we can negotiate. It's not infinite. But it's also not zero.
The value I set on being perceived as properly "conservative" is also not infinite. That value for me is approaching zero, relatively.
I want a future for the West, protection from evil, and neighbours who think in roughly the same terms I think.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 21, 2015 09:10 PM (6FqZa)
What about the Irish-AmericanIndian-Scotts-Germans ?
Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:11 PM (qmMG2)
...Hillary Clinton falsely claimed that Donald Trump is being used in ISIS recruitment videos.... There is an ISIS recruitment video which features a prominent American politician... "fornicator" Bill Clinton.... Obama and Kerry also were shown in the video - NOT Trump....
Hoft, Gateway Pundit
http://bit.ly/1U13PPH
Posted by: mindful webworker - Cruz/Bridenstein 2016 at December 21, 2015 09:11 PM (ACs58)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:11 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 09:12 PM (nIGPZ)
O/T
I got to see the whole SpaceX launch and landing live.
Yet another reason to love Casa Backwardio.
As a child of the Space Age, I can say it was the most awesome thing I've ever seen in my life.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 21, 2015 08:58 PM (LUgeY)
Just dragged my two nephews to watch. After watching me whoop it up after the first stage landing, they're convinced I'm a doofus.
Screw it. That's history you just saw, kids.
Posted by: Zombie Arthur Ashe at December 21, 2015 09:12 PM (OMTVG)
Posted by: Hrothgar
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I am NOT gonna wear a kilt dammit.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2015 09:12 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Mike Hammer
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Let me add, I am doing you all a favor.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2015 09:12 PM (9mTYi)
If we give up on conservatism then what do we have left? Rudderless populism
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:13 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:11 PM (qmMG2)
You lost me at Irish!
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:13 PM (ftVQq)
"Good luck"
Hard to cut that deal, given every western leader not named "Putin"'s willingness to sell our birthright.
Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2015 09:13 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez (rock salt and fire-hook at the ready !) at December 21, 2015 09:13 PM (erRNA)
Posted by: t-bird at December 21, 2015 09:14 PM (J3phO)
Posted by: Beth M at December 21, 2015 09:14 PM (kiy9d)
There is nothing inconsistent between conservatism and national security
The only potential problem arises when we apply religious tests as a substitute for national security screening
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:14 PM (uZNvH)
And congrats Barry. In your attempt to slow boil the frog - the frog said fuck this.
Spoiler Alert - the frog is well armed.
Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:15 PM (qmMG2)
there are more "true Scotsmen" than there are conservatives named Trump
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:15 PM (uZNvH)
They yell at the top of their lungs what inspires them, but the left says "no, no, you stupid heathens, we know you're really upset about the lack of jobs and Republican Presidential candidates, and you're not inspired by your silly skygod. You just cling to your guns and religion like those silly rednecks in Pennsylvania. Truly, the root cause here is George Bush and his cowboy ways."
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 21, 2015 09:15 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 21, 2015 09:15 PM (OMTVG)
Posted by: BurtTC at December 21, 2015 09:10 PM (Dj0WE)
It would be best to assume that we have until 1/20/17 to acquire whatever weapons and ammo we feel we need for a lifetime to defend ourselves and/or wage insurrection.
Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:15 PM (C3E0x)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:14 PM (uZNvH)
Gimme that old time religion it was good enough for mohammed and it's good enough for me doesn't cut it with me, my friend.
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:16 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: Beth M
I'm not going to stare at her. I might turn to stone.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 21, 2015 09:17 PM (FkBIv)
It would be best to assume that we have until
1/20/17 to acquire whatever weapons and ammo we feel we need for a
lifetime to defend ourselves and/or wage insurrection.
Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:15 PM (C3E0x)
yeah I think I am going to be spending 2016 getting myself trained on how to use a handgun
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:17 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 09:17 PM (OkKDg)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at December 21, 2015 09:17 PM (Kucy5)
yeah I think I am going to be spending 2016 getting myself trained on how to use a handgun
Posted by: chemjeff
****
Or a crossbow?
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 09:17 PM (hVdx9)
At the point that I'm expected to obey my betters, no matter what, I'd call that rudderless government.
At that point - yeah, give me populism.
Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:17 PM (qmMG2)
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:17 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:11 PM (qmMG2)
You lost me at Irish!
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:13 PM (ftVQq)
I sorta blacked out after the word "what" and just made up something that sounds like somehting I'd like.
Dude! Sweet!
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at December 21, 2015 09:17 PM (k9qR4)
We suddenly have to prove its NOT happening...
And its impossible to prove a negative...
So if even ONE Asshole in the Mideast cites Trump for any reason... they will then say this is a valid attack...
Posted by: BB Wolf at December 21, 2015 09:18 PM (f7rv6)
Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:15 PM (C3E0x)
Seriously, I believe if the Democrats insist on trucking Hilery out there, it's because they expect to lose.
No, I fear we are going to get a Gope in the White House. Most likely Ruby Oh! at this point.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 21, 2015 09:18 PM (Dj0WE)
Save the clitoris?
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 09:19 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:17 PM (qmMG2)
I couldn't agree more.
Posted by: Robespierre at December 21, 2015 09:19 PM (uZNvH)
At the point that I'm expected to obey my betters, no matter what, I'd call that rudderless government.
At that point - yeah, give me populism.
Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:17 PM (qmMG2)
Yes... /sniff..
You Continentals really should Listen to your betters...
Posted by: King George at December 21, 2015 09:19 PM (f7rv6)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 09:19 PM (voOPb)
This explains why Hillary thinks it would hurt Trump to suggest he is a recruitment tool. Most conservatives I associate with would look at this as a feather in his cap.
Posted by: OrsonSnow at December 21, 2015 09:19 PM (kwDMG)
Obama (who is NOT A MUSLIM as the media loves to remind us) knows more about Islam than Islamic scholar al Baghdadi, and the mujaheddin fighting a religious war in the ME.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 21, 2015 09:20 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:20 PM (ftVQq)
The Islamic State does recognize gay marriages. They'll throw both parties off of the same tall building simultaneously.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 21, 2015 09:21 PM (noWW6)
Mind you I just spent the last 15 minutes of my life watching parrot videos. So maybe that wouldn't be that awful.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at December 21, 2015 09:21 PM (m9V0o)
... those late night commercials with Sarah McLachlan singing with the video of sad dogs needing help.
We really don't like dogs. And sad Sarah McLachlan music.
For this, too, we keeeeeeeeeeeeel you.
Posted by: IS IS baby at December 21, 2015 09:21 PM (H9MG5)
Posted by: chemjeff
That's where my extra time and money is going.
Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:21 PM (C3E0x)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 21, 2015 09:22 PM (LUgeY)
Posted by: joe44 at December 21, 2015 09:22 PM (BKIis)
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 09:23 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: joe44 at December 21, 2015 09:23 PM (BKIis)
Funny how that works, innit ?
Posted by: sock_rat_eez (rock salt and fire-hook at the ready !) at December 21, 2015 09:23 PM (erRNA)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 21, 2015 09:23 PM (FkBIv)
If Woobie-O can't even carry his own home state (where he's currently a distant third), stick a fork in him, he's done.
The Gore Effect.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 21, 2015 09:23 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 21, 2015 09:23 PM (ej1L0)
Posted by: Beth M at December 21, 2015 09:23 PM (kiy9d)
Posted by: gewa76 at December 21, 2015 09:23 PM (9MbCY)
Clintons don't play to lose. They play to destroy.
Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:23 PM (C3E0x)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 09:24 PM (voOPb)
Two things:
Any "religion" that hates dogs cannot be good for mankind!
Any politician that eats dog and admits it should never be elected to any office in the US.
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:24 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 09:23 PM (hVdx9)
Yeah.... who knew their Reading programs in school were so good....
Posted by: BB Wolf at December 21, 2015 09:24 PM (f7rv6)
Admittedly this doesn't explain her support here in Arkansas, although the connection to the state alone might be enough. Of course, I have actually heard more support for Bernie than her here even.
Posted by: Lea at December 21, 2015 09:24 PM (aUjAM)
Posted by: maddogg at December 21, 2015 09:24 PM (rgIC0)
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 21, 2015 09:24 PM (dvuhZ)
inability to distinguish worthy American targets from forbidden ones. I
suppose that's why they spend so much time signalling that they're among
the Good, Polite, Deferential People who will sign up for sharia and
even convert to Islam if that turns out to be Just What ISIS (Really)
Wants.
What they think: They aren't messaging clearly enough.
What they refuse to learn: Absolutely everyone is sick of their shit.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at December 21, 2015 09:25 PM (m9V0o)
I don't "love" muzzies.
I think it's a rather despicable religion. It is not one that I would ever want to subscribe to or recommend to anyone. It is medieval and brutal and terrible.
But Muslims are also individuals. The libertarian in me says that even Muslims are individual human beings who ought to be treated with a modicum of respect, not spat upon at every turn. That is all.
I don't like pedophiles or serial killers either, that doesn't mean I think they should be tortured or murdered.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:25 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Eromero at December 21, 2015 09:25 PM (b+df9)
Or, for that matter, the loathsome collection of human debris known as Democrat Party voters who actually think that voting for liars, thieves, thugs, and "activists" is a good idea.
"Loathsome" is a good word. Let us meditate upon "loathsome."
Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 09:25 PM (s5o+q)
Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:21 PM (C3E0x)
Dollar cost averaging!
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:25 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: joe44 at December 21, 2015 09:26 PM (BKIis)
The Gore Effect.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 21, 2015 09:23 PM (noWW6)
Perhaps. But somebody's got to win this thing, and they all look like losers. It'll be a race to who loses the least.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 21, 2015 09:26 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:26 PM (uZNvH)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5bTbVbe4e4
Watch the whole thing. You will not be sorry.
Posted by: rickl at December 21, 2015 09:26 PM (sdi6R)
Dang Lea. Lotsa good people here in Hogland. No need to hang with idiots.
Posted by: maddogg at December 21, 2015 09:26 PM (rgIC0)
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:24 PM (ftVQq)<<<
To be fair. None of us read his shitty book.
Posted by: the 52% at December 21, 2015 09:26 PM (H9MG5)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez (rock salt and fire-hook at the ready !) at December 21, 2015 09:27 PM (erRNA)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:25 PM (uZNvH)
Oh man, I just do not want to go there with you!
Have a nice night!
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:27 PM (ftVQq)
I don't like pedophiles or serial killers either, that doesn't mean I think they should be tortured or murdered.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:25 PM (uZNvH)
"Islam" is, quite literally, the Arabic word for "submission."
To be a Muslim is to subsume your own individuality to the crazed imaginings of an Eighth-century lunatic.
Islam is the antithesis of libertarianism. It is submission.
Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 09:27 PM (s5o+q)
Posted by: Northernlurker at December 21, 2015 09:28 PM (hJrjt)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:25 PM (uZNvH)
Uh, I hate to break it to you, but you can't exactly "murder" a serial killer. Similarly with a paedo. That's just a violation of the language, dude.
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at December 21, 2015 09:28 PM (k9qR4)
Posted by: chemjeff
****
That is the only "mode" she has.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 09:28 PM (hVdx9)
Sorry ... it's a Time For Choosing. Your choice is noted.
I'm sure an intelligent, nuanced defense of Japanese Imperialism wasn't much cared about after Pearl Harbor either.
Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:28 PM (qmMG2)
Posted by: Eromero
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Revelation 20:4
"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2015 09:29 PM (9mTYi)
Uh, I hate to break it to you, but you can't
exactly "murder" a serial killer. Similarly with a paedo. That's just a
violation of the language, dude.
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at December 21, 2015 09:28 PM (k9qR4)
Yeah you can, anyone can be murdered even serial killers or pedophiles
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:29 PM (uZNvH)
You don't like trump. Fine.
But his immigration position makes sense
The muzzies don't want to be American
They want to transform America into a sharia country
I've had enough fucking transformation to last a lifetime
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 09:30 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: rickl at December 21, 2015 09:26 PM (sdi6R)
Yes, fantastic piece of multidisciplinary engineering. Strangely enough NOT done with the assistance of the multicultural muz outreach program in NASA.
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:30 PM (ftVQq)
I don't like pedophiles or serial killers either, that doesn't mean I think they should be tortured or murdered.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:25 PM (uZNvH)
Libertarianism only works if people DO pay the personal consequences for their actions...
With freedom must come responsibility.
Now... we DO have Freedom of Religion here in the US.... thus Moslems CHOOSE to follow a murderous religion.... it is a CHOICE...
But in your worldview... we are not supposed to take into account, the View they CHOOSE to follow, and publically DECLARE.
Posted by: BB Wolf at December 21, 2015 09:30 PM (f7rv6)
Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 09:30 PM (s5o+q)
I think she's doing what the Clintons always do--put a false narrative out there on a topic that damages them so that when people say there's a video using BJ, Bobo, and Horseface, people won't believe it.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at December 21, 2015 09:30 PM (kXoT0)
Would anyone believe her one truth?
How could people tell it was the truth?
Posted by: Northernlurker at December 21, 2015 09:30 PM (hJrjt)
Posted by: chemjeff
That's where my extra time and money is going.
Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:21 PM (C3E0x)
***
Longarms, baby. Comes the day, longarms....
Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine at December 21, 2015 09:31 PM (lutOX)
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at December 21, 2015 09:31 PM (k9qR4)
Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:28 PM (qmMG2)
But this is the thing, I'm not defending "Japanese Imperialism", or in this case "Islamist terrorism", I am attempting to respect the dignity of individual human beings who have nothing to do with terrorism at all.
This doesn't mean they have a right to enter the US, they don't.
This doesn't mean their religion is equivalent to Christianity, it isn't. Their religion is much worse.
It only means that they are human beings with some minimum human dignity. That is all.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:31 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 09:31 PM (fqFkQ)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:29 PM (uZNvH)
True dat, but a civilized society executes them!
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:32 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: Hrothgar
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Bullshit, infidel. You can see my clock running in the video.
Posted by: Ahmed at December 21, 2015 09:32 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:32 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at December 21, 2015 09:17 PM (Kucy5)
Well, Hillery is pretty much saying that she is acceptable to ISIS but Trump is not. If she is claiming endorsement, let her.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 21, 2015 09:33 PM (T78UI)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at December 21, 2015 09:33 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 21, 2015 09:23 PM (FkBIv)
I believe Mr. Blue Collar Hero has a huge gazillion room mansion in the UP - he probably has a fridge stocked with ice cream in every room - but he's not there much. He mainly lives in NYC
Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at December 21, 2015 09:33 PM (P8951)
Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:28 PM"
Yeah. Gotta say it, that's about where I'm at these days.
As I have said frequently here and elsewhere"
The aggressor sets the rules of engagement.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez (rock salt and fire-hook at the ready !) at December 21, 2015 09:33 PM (erRNA)
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:33 PM (ftVQq)
Modern America has not the first, and Islam provides not the second.
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 21, 2015 09:34 PM (bZ7mE)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2015 09:34 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez (rock salt and fire-hook at the ready !) at December 21, 2015 09:33 PM (erRNA)
Sadly, I think the next phrase is something like "The loser accepts them!"
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:34 PM (ftVQq)
I don't like pedophiles or serial killers either, that doesn't mean I think they should be tortured or murdered.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:25 PM (uZNvH)
Show me the people spitting on Muslims. I'll wait.
Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:34 PM (C3E0x)
Nope ... you are fucking wrong.
Sometimes their are groups of human beings who wish, collectively, to kill others. We are in the midst of one of those moments.
Your wish to argue to the alternative. Hence, fuck you. Because you are a friend of my enemy.
Fuck your position. Because your position enables my enemies ... who, by definition, wish to kill me.
Sometimes political positions are not to be respected and enabled. Like yours.
Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:35 PM (qmMG2)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:32 PM (uZNvH)
That's a tautological definition based on a self-serving rationalization. I hope that works out well for you and your loved ones in the long term.
Cheers.
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at December 21, 2015 09:35 PM (k9qR4)
I'm always available.
Posted by: Turk E Baster at December 21, 2015 09:36 PM (c7vUv)
Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2015 09:36 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2015 09:34 PM (9mTYi)
Is that anything like sumo wrestling because the thought of Michael Moore and the Mooch in loin cloths is disturbing.
Posted by: Northernlurker at December 21, 2015 09:36 PM (hJrjt)
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 09:36 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Old Blue at December 21, 2015 09:36 PM (9iR5/)
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 21, 2015 09:36 PM (dvuhZ)
For this country there's no doubt progressives are worse.
Posted by: Hank at December 21, 2015 09:36 PM (aUcgj)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at December 21, 2015 09:33 PM (kXoT0
typical of a patriarchal society to expect that a husband and wife be seen together once in a while.
Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 09:37 PM (OkKDg)
Lakeisha Holloway, 24, told authorities she was stressed out after being chased by security guards from parking lots where she had been trying to sleep before the crash, according to a police report obtained on Monday.
h/t Daily Mail
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 21, 2015 09:37 PM (gyKtp)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 09:37 PM (voOPb)
Would anyone believe her one truth?
How could people tell it was the truth?
Yet another of the many benefits of being batshit crazy.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 21, 2015 09:37 PM (LUgeY)
Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:34 PM (C3E0x)<<<
I was there. I saw it. They got me too!!!
Posted by: John Lewis (D-Ipshit) at December 21, 2015 09:37 PM (H9MG5)
I don't see the tautology, and you appear to be arguing for a Arab-style feud culture, whether you realize it or not.
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 21, 2015 09:37 PM (bZ7mE)
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 09:36 PM (hVdx9)
Or, he could learn to drive a "Welcome Wagon" and help make his new neighbors comfortable in the US!
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:38 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at December 21, 2015 09:38 PM (kXoT0)
Whoa fella...CJ is a 'ron in good standing...just "gentler hearted" wrt Jihadi Jim's enablers than I'd prefer
Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2015 09:38 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Donna&&&&V
Top of the lower peninsula. Near or on Torch Lake IIRC. I thought he received his mail at Old Country Buffett though.
Posted by: Aviator at December 21, 2015 09:39 PM (c7vUv)
Posted by: mugiwara at December 21, 2015 09:39 PM (9eF7E)
Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege )
Then he shouldn't mind a band of squatters moving in while he is away.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 21, 2015 09:39 PM (FkBIv)
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 21, 2015 09:39 PM (dvuhZ)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 09:39 PM (fqFkQ)
Well "metaphorical spittle"
Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2015 09:36 PM (g8Hfr)
Even metaphorically, where is all the backlash we keep hearing about? It ain't there. It's all a lie, as usual.
But I will say, how is it that Middle East Muzzies are all into jihad, but Muzzies in the US are all about peace? How does that work? And for the ones that come here, is it something in the water as they fly over the pond that makes them so allegedly peaceful?
Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:39 PM (C3E0x)
For this country there's no doubt progressives are worse.
---
If you go by blood spilt, ISIS has another 50 million before they catch up.
Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2015 09:39 PM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 21, 2015 09:36 PM (dvuhZ)
Granted. The operative word being "lunatic," regardless of any other consideration.
Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 09:39 PM (s5o+q)
Posted by: Turk E Baster at December 21, 2015 09:36 PM (c7vUv)
Mooch, Sasha, and Malia thank you.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at December 21, 2015 09:39 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:34 PM (C3E0x)
I see people here and elsewhere who presume that all Muslims are, if not outright terrorists, then one small step away from terrorism.
I can't abide by such assumptions. I would rather that each individual be judged by his/her own merits.
No one here would abide by the assumption that because they are, say, gun owners, that they are one small step away from mass murder. That would be offensive to them, and rightly so. I only ask that all individuals be judged on their own merits, that is all. That doesn't mean that each individual is blameless, they are not. There are plenty of Muslims who are bent on destroying Western values and they should be not only stopped from entering America but also killed in battle, IMO. But there are also plenty of Muslims who don't want anything to do with destroying America. I don't think they should be lumped in with the terrorists.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:40 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Store Santa at December 21, 2015 09:40 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez (rock salt and fire-hook at the ready !) at December 21, 2015 09:40 PM (erRNA)
And how long before that crazed old woman becomes the national cat lady? No offence to cat lovers.
Posted by: Northernlurker at December 21, 2015 09:40 PM (hJrjt)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 21, 2015 09:23 PM (FkBIv)
No, LA. Well, at one point he had a house in Michigan somewhere when he was still pretending to be from the rough streets of Flint, MI. Not sure if he still owns a house there.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 21, 2015 09:40 PM (AkOaV)
Suggestions please
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian
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10/22 landslide imminent.
Run for your lives!
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2015 09:40 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Aviator at December 21, 2015 09:39 PM (c7vUv)
That would explain Torch's occasional 6 foot waves.
Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:40 PM (C3E0x)
Bullshit.
If my neighbor's "gentle heart" argues that we shouldn't drop a rabid dog, because of his "gentle heart" ?
Fuck that. There comes a time where he should pay for his own damned "gentle heart", without demanding I go along for the ride.
This is one of those times.
Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:41 PM (qmMG2)
And the press knows it.
Posted by: Sharkman at December 21, 2015 09:41 PM (QWtgr)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 09:41 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: Hillary! and Her Rainbow Exoskeleton at December 21, 2015 09:41 PM (rUc9h)
Posted by: Northernlurker at December 21, 2015 09:42 PM (hJrjt)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez (rock salt and fire-hook at the ready !) at December 21, 2015 09:40 PM (erRNA)
Certainly describes our current military RoE.
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:42 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:39 PM (C3E0x)
Numbers. There are studies that point out when Muslims are less than 10% of the population, they are model citizens, as their numbers increase in a population, they get more militant, and at 50% plus they are tirelessly and less and less peacefully working to get a theocracy with Sharia law as the legal system.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at December 21, 2015 09:42 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Depends
Now With Three-Day Capacity!
Posted by: t-bird at December 21, 2015 09:05 PM (J3phO)
The Hillary Clinton 7-day Diaper Suit!
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 21, 2015 09:42 PM (kpqmD)
Words. Have. Meanings.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez (rock salt and fire-hook at the ready !) at December 21, 2015 09:42 PM (erRNA)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at December 21, 2015 09:42 PM (oVJmc)
The amazing part is that it was hillary and obama's policies that created isis.
She is trying to blame that on anybody but her.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 21, 2015 09:42 PM (ODxAs)
This is one of those times.
Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:41 PM (qmMG2)
Yay! Internet tough guy is here to tell us all how it's done.
Thanks, internet tough guy, where would we be without you.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 21, 2015 09:43 PM (Dj0WE)
I understand completely. Whenever I have insomnia, I get in my car and attempt to murder hundreds of people who have never harmed me in any way. It's just natural.
Posted by: Jack the Ripper at December 21, 2015 09:43 PM (VrdxH)
Suggestions please
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian
----------------
10/22 landslide imminent.
Run for your lives!
Posted by: Mike Hammer
****
Yup. I am tossing the first stone- buy a 10/22!
More accessories than you can shake a stick at.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 09:43 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 21, 2015 09:43 PM (AkOaV)
Suggestions please"
Savage.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 09:39 PM (fqFkQ)
For wanting a .22? That's pretty harsh.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 21, 2015 09:43 PM (kpqmD)
Posted by: Hank at December 21, 2015 09:44 PM (aUcgj)
---
The proper course of action there is to shoot the dog and leave the corpse on your neighbor's doorstep with a note suggesting he say some nice things for it when he buries it.
Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2015 09:44 PM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: Hank at December 21, 2015 09:36 PM (aUcgj)
ISIS is, in fact, the JV team when compared to the Nazis, the Imperial Japanese and the Soviets. If America still held the values it did 70 years ago, if all Americans still believed in their country,we'd beat ISIS easily. But the progressives have so divided and undermined the moral fiber of this country that the Dems can not even call Islamic terrorism by its' right name, much less fight it.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at December 21, 2015 09:45 PM (P8951)
The media is doing a workmanlike job of hiding Ogabe's intentions and how many known cells are in play...
When the time comes he'll be on the side of angels
Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2015 09:45 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Northernlurker at December 21, 2015 09:40 PM (hJrjt)<<<
Don't bet on it.
Posted by: zombie Socks, dumped after Bill and Hill left the White House at December 21, 2015 09:45 PM (H9MG5)
Suggestions please
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 09:37 PM (voOPb)
.22 or .223....it's pretty much the same.
AR-15 for the win.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2015 09:45 PM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 09:45 PM (s5o+q)
Yeah... and all those Nazis in Germany WW2, should all have been given the benefit of the doubt... even if they were wearing their swastikas in the US...
Have you ever read the Koran? Do you understand what it asks its Believers to do?
Do you understand that they KNOW what the Koran says? and yet CHOSE to follow that religion anyway?
Posted by: BB Wolf at December 21, 2015 09:46 PM (f7rv6)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 09:46 PM (voOPb)
"You have a model RK?"
Bolty, semi. I'd rust them all. Good damn firearms.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 09:46 PM (fqFkQ)
Not telling you a damn thing Burt ... do what you want to do.
But I'm not going along with you. Fuck that.
Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:46 PM (qmMG2)
AR-15 for the win.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2015 09:45 PM (Zu3d9)
Well... velocity matters, so...
Posted by: BurtTC at December 21, 2015 09:46 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:40 PM (uZNvH)
I understand why you believe that and I respect your right to believe it. I do,however, think you are wrong about the plenty part, if there are any such Muslims there numbers are very small and they are probably Muslims in Name Only. If a Muslim is observant, then, by definition they are praying and working for the Caliphate because they believe that's destined to be.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at December 21, 2015 09:46 PM (kXoT0)
Words. Have. Meanings.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez (rock salt and fire-hook at the ready !) at December 21, 2015 09:42 PM (erRNA)
How many DECLARED Wars have we had since they changed the name...
That's how many we won...
Posted by: BB Wolf at December 21, 2015 09:47 PM (f7rv6)
are all into jihad, but Muzzies in the US are all about peace? How does
that work? And for the ones that come here, is it something in the
water as they fly over the pond that makes them so allegedly peaceful?
Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:39 PM (C3E0x)
It is Magic Dirt.
We have Magic Dirt in the US which makes even those with the most backwards barbaric ideologies into students of western liberalism and democracy.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 21, 2015 09:48 PM (T78UI)
But I'm not going along with you.
Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:46 PM (qmMG2)
You're a clown. I wouldn't expect you to do anything I suggest.
But I can predict your future.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 21, 2015 09:48 PM (Dj0WE)
But, we are told by eminent Islamic scholars, that sharia law is a fundamental and inseparable element of the Islamic "faith."
It doesn't take advanced logic to come to the conclusion that Islam and the U.S. Constitution are mutually incompatible. One or the other must give way.
I have opinions about which I'd prefer to give way.
Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 09:49 PM (s5o+q)
Posted by: Hank at December 21, 2015 09:36 PM (aUcgj)
ISIS is, in fact, the JV team when compared to the Nazis, the Imperial Japanese and the Soviets. If America still held the values it did 70 years ago, if all Americans still believed in their country,we'd beat ISIS easily. But the progressives have so divided and undermined the moral fiber of this country that the Dems can not even call Islamic terrorism by its' right name, much less fight it.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at December 21, 2015 09:45 PM (P8951)
***
I think of them with regard to ISIS in much the same way I think of them re: Soviets.
These people are neither more nor less than subversive revolutionaries, so they'll side with damned near anybody who looks likely to harm their "enemies."
Honestly, I see no other explanation for it.
Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine at December 21, 2015 09:49 PM (lutOX)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 09:49 PM (voOPb)
Suggestions please
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 09:37 PM (voOPb)
Chiappa (Italian) makes a .22 M1 Carbine. Good stock and accurate. Action works well and good magazines. Bad side is plastic front and rear sights but you can change these to GI metal ones as they fit. Around $209.00 at Bud's. Uses the GI sling and oiler too. They also make a 9mm version.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 21, 2015 09:50 PM (ej1L0)
Posted by: rrpjr at December 21, 2015 09:50 PM (s/yC1)
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 21, 2015 09:50 PM (kpqmD)
I like the Henry US Survival - breaks down to stow in the stock. Backpack sized when broken down.
Floats, so no trouble with canoe accidents.
Or just get an old JC Higgins single-shot bolt action - I like them too.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez (rock salt and fire-hook at the ready !) at December 21, 2015 09:50 PM (erRNA)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at December 21, 2015 09:50 PM (kXoT0)
+1
The primary reason for the existence of the united States of America is the mutual defense of the free men against *any* who think they can make us their slaves. If someone decides they aren't going to be part of that defense, we can't stop them, but there's no need for any of us to accept risks on their behalf.
Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2015 09:50 PM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: Old Blue at December 21, 2015 09:36 PM (9iR5/)
I'm old enough to remember Gemini and Apollo in the 1960s, and there is *nothing* as exciting as a SpaceX launch today.
That's because they keep pushing the envelope, just like back in the old days, where every mission built on the previous one, and tried to do a little more.
Tonight's launch was the first one since the catastrophic failure on June 28, and instead of simply reflying the same Falcon 9, this was the first launch of an upgraded and more powerful version. That took some moxie.
Congratulations, SpaceX! You had me about to turn blue. I'm breathing again. Thanks a lot.
Posted by: rickl at December 21, 2015 09:50 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 21, 2015 09:37 PM (bZ7mE)
Yeah, we either have a rule of law or we don't. I believe there are times when people might decide it is necessary to go outside of that (prisoners killing off pedophiles and serial killers, batman, etc), but it should be done with a realization that a legal price might have to paid. If we lose that, we are losing civilization. I pray it is not necessary, although I can think of situations where it would be.
Posted by: Lea at December 21, 2015 09:50 PM (aUjAM)
Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:50 PM (qmMG2)
Posted by: Ben H at December 21, 2015 09:51 PM (gJEsZ)
Look, I grew up in southern Nigeria. I went to school with Muslims; I had Muslim friends who I am certain would never hurt a fly.
But if you refuse to acknowledge that there is something about Islam that makes its adherents much more prone to violence than those of other religions, and that a whole bunch of Muslims who don't commit acts of violence support or at the very least sympathize with those who do... well, I don't know what to tell you.
I am from a country that's 50% Muslim and I know the havoc a good concentration of Muslims can cause, and it is not isolated to Nigeria. Far from it.
I think that until we come up with mind reading technologies, extra caution when it comes to Muslims is prudent for the government. If more Muslims vocally condemned the terrible acts of their coreligionists, people would have a better opinion of them as a group.
Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 09:51 PM (OkKDg)
Posted by: Fritz at December 21, 2015 09:51 PM (BngQR)
Posted by: rrpjr at December 21, 2015 09:50 PM (s/yC1)
Bold statement!
Let's see, who in American political history is worse than Hillary . . .
. . .
. . .
um . . .
Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 09:51 PM (s5o+q)
Posted by: Steve Harvey at December 21, 2015 09:52 PM (o9lmn)
This is one of those times.
Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:41 PM (qmMG2)
Slip the dog into his house when he is asleep.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 21, 2015 09:52 PM (T78UI)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 09:52 PM (fqFkQ)
300 AAC or 7.62x39 out to 300 yards
.308 or 30-06 out to 600-800 yards
All semi-auto rifles of course.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 09:53 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2015 09:50 PM (ZbV+0)
Careful now. You're agreeing with a goof whose merely trying to puff himself up in the comments section of a blog.
It doesn't mean anything. It's just words.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 21, 2015 09:53 PM (Dj0WE)
Posted by: Steve Harvey at December 21, 2015 09:52 PM (o9lmn)
Fuck you.
Posted by: Columbia at December 21, 2015 09:53 PM (s5o+q)
She is trying to blame that on anybody but her.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 21, 2015 09:42 PM (ODxAs)
Well, she wrote her senior thesis on Alinsky. She should know the drill.
Posted by: rrpjr at December 21, 2015 09:53 PM (s/yC1)
Lutherans arguing over jello salad molds and recipes aren't an existential threat and in general outside of their churches, I do not expect any of them to attack me for being a Presbyterian, Catholic, or Buddhist.
I agree that not every muz in this country poses an existential threat, but I am convinced based on numerous observations starting as far back as 1993 to the present day that I cannot rationally extend that courtesy to all muz because there is such a high percentage of muz, and specifically muz, as they are an existential threat.
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:53 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: Buzzion at December 21, 2015 09:54 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: Fritz at December 21, 2015 09:51 PM (BngQR)
Umm, gee whiz, sorry, we can't take that rankcarcass, dayum, it's so foul it would gum up the works so bad we'd have to steam clean the whole line! Thanks, but, no thanks.
----Sincerely, Glue Factory
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at December 21, 2015 09:54 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:50 PM (qmMG2)
Thanks, you just revealed yourself as the liberal you are.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 21, 2015 09:54 PM (Dj0WE)
Sherry I believe I'm your long lost cousin
So I will take that Weatherby off your hands
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 09:55 PM (voOPb)
Same here. You shoulda seen it, rickl. It was fucking awesome.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 21, 2015 09:55 PM (LUgeY)
Maybe I should get both .22 .223"
Do it.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 09:52 PM (fqFkQ)
***
My words, exactly.......
Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine at December 21, 2015 09:55 PM (lutOX)
That's Islam. And that was its very *purpose*. A system to enable and perpetuate conquest and tyranny.
Now, if it could be "reformed", defanged into something that was a pure religion, maybe it could "co-exist", but that would not be real Islam, as written down by the lunatics who created it.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 21, 2015 09:56 PM (dvuhZ)
Fantastic insight, chique!
Thank you!
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:56 PM (ftVQq)
Terrorists aside, I am fed up being surrounded by perpetually aggrieved foreigners.
Posted by: Ralph at December 21, 2015 09:56 PM (cWx6M)
"I see people here and elsewhere who presume that all Muslims are, if not outright terrorists, then one small step away from terrorism.
I can't abide by such assumptions. I would rather that each individual be judged by his/her own merits."
Unfortunately, we can no longer assume that about Muslims. IIRC some of those dead people in SB threw the killers a baby shower. Even with some or most liberal scum at this point, you can assume they aren't being to kill heathens.
"No one here would abide by the assumption that because they are, say, gun owners, that they are one small step away from mass murder."
Noone here, but liberal scum do it all the time. Nothing wrong with turning the tables on them.
"That would be offensive to them, and rightly so. I only ask that all individuals be judged on their own merits, that is all. That doesn't mean that each individual is blameless, they are not. There are plenty of Muslims who are bent on destroying Western values and they should be not only stopped from entering America but also killed in battle, IMO. But there are also plenty of Muslims who don't want anything to do with destroying America. I don't think they should be lumped in with the terrorists."
I just don't give a flying fuck what liberal scum and their allies think any more. You may be in denial of the fact that everybody is already choosing sides for the coming civil war. Liberals and Muslims vs. Conservatives and Christians. Muzzies are currently doing the dirty work. Eventually, they all want in on the game.
Wake up before it's too late.
Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:56 PM (C3E0x)
Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 21, 2015 09:57 PM (VdICR)
threat, but I am convinced based on numerous observations starting as
far back as 1993 to the present day that I cannot rationally extend that
courtesy to all muz because there is such a high percentage of muz, and
specifically muz, as they are an existential threat.
Well then whatever shall we do ? Because anything other than doing what we're told is just bullshit talk.
Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:57 PM (qmMG2)
Posted by: Steve Harvey at December 21, 2015 09:52 PM (o9lmn)
Fuck you.
Posted by: Columbia at December 21, 2015 09:53 PM (s5o+q)
Fuck you.
Posted by: Colombia at December 21, 2015 09:58 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: Garrett at December 21, 2015 09:58 PM (bcdMv)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 09:58 PM (voOPb)
She beat him. He looks weak, as he always does when someone attacks him.
This does not bode well for him, and it boosts her image as a "fighter."
Posted by: the littl shyning man at December 21, 2015 09:58 PM (U6f54)
So I will take that Weatherby off your hands
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 09:55 PM (voOPb)
I will probably wind up giving it to the other nephew. I already gave him my husband's Remington 30 06.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at December 21, 2015 09:59 PM (kXoT0)
300 AAC or 7.62x39 out to 300 yards
.308 or 30-06 out to 600-800 yards
All semi-auto rifles of course.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 09:53 PM (hVdx9)
***
To each, his own, of course.... but 5.56 fired indoors makes you a prime candidate for a Miracle Ear....
Otherwise, sounds good....
7.62X39 - sound pick....
.308 - excellent calibre for a MBR.....
Simplify it, if you'd like:
A pistol for your bedroom
A shotgun for your door
A rifle reaches out
And no man needs more.
Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine at December 21, 2015 09:59 PM (lutOX)
Same here. You shoulda seen it, rickl. It was fucking awesome.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 21, 2015 09:55 PM (LUgeY)
Did you see it in person?
Posted by: rickl at December 21, 2015 09:59 PM (sdi6R)
my poor friend couldn't believe that someone who is educated and exposed to the world would have such backwards views. I wasn't surprised, on the other hand, because I had a better idea of what is Islam entailed that my friend.
Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 09:59 PM (OkKDg)
Posted by: BourbonChicken
Wounds my heart with a monotonous languor.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 21, 2015 10:00 PM (FkBIv)
ISIS maybe, Islam, no ...
Posted by: Reason the Mountains are called the Hindu Kush ... at December 21, 2015 10:00 PM (oZKRQ)
A shotgun for your door
A rifle reaches out
And no man needs more.
Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine at December 21, 2015 09:59 PM (lutOX)
A knife for your life
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 10:00 PM (ftVQq)
.
Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:57 PM (qmMG2)
<<<
Let's make sure the GOPe doesn't steal the primary.
Let's all go vote for Trump or Cruz.
For if they don't steal the primary it will be either
Trump or Cruz.
Posted by: Ralph at December 21, 2015 10:00 PM (cWx6M)
Posted by: Steve Harvey at December 21, 2015 09:52 PM (o9lmn)
Fuck you.
Posted by: Columbia at December 21, 2015 09:53 PM (s5o+q)
Fuck you.
Posted by: Colombia at December 21, 2015 09:58 PM (z/Ubi)
Go on . . .
Posted by: Columbia at December 21, 2015 10:00 PM (s5o+q)
I just don't give a flying fuck what liberal scum and their allies think any more."
blano like a boss.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 10:01 PM (fqFkQ)
Posted by: Hank at December 21, 2015 10:01 PM (aUcgj)
Posted by: Old Blue at December 21, 2015 10:01 PM (9iR5/)
Like anyone would complain if we kicked out the Irish?
Posted by: Garrett at December 21, 2015 10:01 PM (bcdMv)
Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 09:51 PM (OkKDg)
Thank you for your comments, I really do appreciate them. I do sometimes get caught up in my libertarian fervor.
I am fine with additional scrutiny of individuals from majority Muslim nations. I think that is prudent.
But a blanket rejection of everyone who belongs to a certain religion? I can't support that. Your Muslim colleagues whom you say would not harm a fly, would you say that they pose a security risk to the US? I don't think so. They would be unfairly treated by any US policy that was based on religion alone. Now I don't suggest that anyone has a RIGHT to enter the US, they don't. So if these individuals can pass any additional scrutiny that might be applied to potential immigrants or refugees from Nigeria, then I say, that's fine, even if those individuals describe themselves as Muslim.
I do think Islam promotes violent behavior and that is unfortunate. But in this country I think we should punish actual behavior, not "potential" behavior. Otherwise it is just punishment of thoughtcrime, which is a very dangerous road to travel. There are LOTS of people who promote violent behavior that has nothing to do with any religion.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:01 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 10:01 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:40 PM (uZNvH)
This is the problem, chemjeff. The co-workers of the San Bern terrorist probably thought he didn't want anything to do with destroying America, until he showed up with the missus (who had been given a baby shower by those same co-workers) and murdered them in cold blood. The woman jihadi killed in Belgium had been quite the party girl.
All of these terrorists and terrorist wannabes have one common denominator - Islam, a religion that gives them sanction to commit terrible acts in the name of Allah.
How do you know that "plenty" of them are peaceful? The Muslims I know seem peaceful and maybe they are, but for all I know, they are hearing "kill the infidels" every Friday at the mosque. Do you know they are not? Nobody's monitoring those places and the left blows a fuse when Trump suggested they should be.
After the SB attack, I realized I really couldn't trust any of them any more. What they say and how they act around infidels might be very different from what they say and act when they are around each other.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at December 21, 2015 10:02 PM (P8951)
Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 10:02 PM (BTnAK)
Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 10:03 PM (OkKDg)
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 10:03 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: Hillary! at December 21, 2015 10:03 PM (8aOqE)
The content is clear as a bell!
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 10:04 PM (ftVQq)
A shotgun for your door
A rifle reaches out
And no man needs more
.38 Spl
.20 guage
.223
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 10:04 PM (fqFkQ)
Posted by: CMU VET at December 21, 2015 10:04 PM (ejB0r)
ISIS maybe, Islam, no ...
Posted by: Reason the Mountains are called the Hindu Kush ... at December 21, 2015 10:00 PM (oZKRQ)
ISIS might be JV compared to the Soviets, but the Soviets weren't batshit crazy. Cunning, ruthless on occasion, yes. Crazy, no.
Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 10:04 PM (C3E0x)
Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 10:05 PM (qmMG2)
Otherwise, sounds good....
7.62X39 - sound pick....
.308 - excellent calibre for a MBR.....
Simplify it, if you'd like:
A pistol for your bedroom
A shotgun for your door
A rifle reaches out
And no man needs more.
Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine
****
Well of course only with ear protection.
No man needs more? Define "need"
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 10:06 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 10:06 PM (qmMG2)
Wow, what a coincidence. I was also 17 and I also watched it on a 19" B&W TV while laying on the living room floor!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 21, 2015 10:06 PM (FkBIv)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:01 PM (uZNvH)
I'm sure some of the SB dead felt the same way about their eventual killers.
Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 10:06 PM (C3E0x)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at December 21, 2015 10:07 PM (Kucy5)
A shotgun for your door
A rifle reaches out
And no man needs more
.38 Spl
.20 guage
.223
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 10:04 PM (fqFkQ)
***
You're a man of nice taste, and good judgment, sir.
Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine at December 21, 2015 10:07 PM (lutOX)
---
No one is "punishing" anything.
We are at war with islam because islam is by definition at war with everyone who doesn't submit to it. We are a subset of their 'everyone who doesn't submit to it.' We don't get a say in that, short of submissions, which is not an option for any Jew, Christian, or patriotic American.
We only get to choose how, or at this point, whether we defend ourselves, or if we will just lie down and bleed out for their amusement.
Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2015 10:07 PM (ZbV+0)
Yep. Saw it go up for about a minute before it disappeared behind the relatively low cloud cover. Went back inside and watch the de-orbit burn countdown clock and got back outside about a minute before it lit the first burn. That one was just a few seconds, but below the clouds so it was very noticeable. Probably at 30 degrees.
A little while later I saw the final burn just above the horizon.
That is Officially the Coolest Thing I've Ever Seen While Living Down Here Ever. I feel like I'm a kid again when we landed on the moon the first time.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 21, 2015 10:08 PM (LUgeY)
Posted by: Ralph at December 21, 2015 10:08 PM (cWx6M)
Black, White, 17, 19, TV, Living Room Floor ...
... conjures memories.
Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 10:08 PM (qmMG2)
Chemical jeff
Unfortunately that's what happens in war, if you want to win. Trust me in war you don't want a fair fight unless you are the weaker side.
Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 10:09 PM (BTnAK)
No man needs more? Define "need"
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 10:06 PM (hVdx9)
***
That will do until I can get my hands on the drool-worthy stuff......
Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine at December 21, 2015 10:09 PM (lutOX)
Posted by: mugiwara at December 21, 2015 10:09 PM (9eF7E)
"But there are also plenty of Muslims who don't want anything to do with destroying America."
Yes. I've worked with some. Guys who took their lives in their hands, as a matter of fact, to stand on our side, and to help our Army kill our enemies.
Sad to say, I'm not optimistic as to what fraction of the total they are, but they're there, and I'm glad you're willing to carve out exceptions.
Sherry McEvil, #223:
"if there are any such Muslims there numbers are very small and they are probably Muslims in Name Only."
The ones I knew best were devout in their fashion, but definitely played some pick-and-choose theology. And culture can make all the different in the world as to what they play up and play down.
Posted by: JPS at December 21, 2015 10:09 PM (9ziuC)
Posted by: Brian Williams at December 21, 2015 10:10 PM (pq97T)
Posted by: Reason the Mountains are called the Hindu Kush ... at December 21, 2015 10:00 PM (oZKRQ)
No, not Islam. But pounding the crap out of ISIS might give Muslims pause before they start to stir up shit. Young people are drawn to it now, not just because it permits them to act out their darkest impulses and to do so with the blessing of Allah, but because they believe they are on the winning side.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at December 21, 2015 10:10 PM (P8951)
If you fly or paste a flag of your home country to car or home we ship you back where you came from. No more Hyphenated Americans.
Posted by: Willy J. at December 21, 2015 10:10 PM (wHX4r)
A shotgun for your door
A rifle reaches out
And no man needs more.
Cute. Does that mean I should get a shotgun?
Posted by: Lea at December 21, 2015 10:10 PM (aUjAM)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:01 PM (uZNvH)
chemjeff, if people trusted that the government was actually doing their due diligence on refugees, people issued visas, and had some control of illegal immigrants, I don't think they'd be as worried.
The problem is -- our government says "ISIS has nothing to do with Islam" and commands our screeners to not even ask about beliefs, to not check social media, to not do any due diligence whatsoever. Because that'd be racist.
So the rational response to that is, "okay, fine -- then no more Muslims if the government is incapable or unwilling to screen people who have no RIGHT to be here in the first place."
For US citizens, I agree -- it needs to be a much different standard.
But we let in refugees and immigrants out of the goodness of our heart. We have no obligation to them.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 21, 2015 10:10 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 21, 2015 10:10 PM (BHl9S)
That is Officially the Coolest Thing I've Ever Seen While Living Down Here Ever. I feel like I'm a kid again when we landed on the moon the first time.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 21, 2015 10:08 PM (LUgeY)
Good for you! I only watched it on the internet but I feel the same way.
Posted by: rickl at December 21, 2015 10:11 PM (sdi6R)
A rifle reaches out
And no man needs more.
Cute. Does that mean I should get a shotgun?
Posted by: Lea
****
As you are not a man, no.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 10:11 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2015 10:11 PM (oFSUK)
Posted by: Hillz! at December 21, 2015 10:11 PM (9mTYi)
Every time, the news would have a story about Israel. And every time, you'd start hearing this hissing sound. Some of the older Arabs would start hissing like snakes (literally) whenever the subject of Israel came up.
Fact is, even "peaceful" Arabs/Muslims define peace as driving Israel into the sea.
Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 10:12 PM (C3E0x)
Posted by: Mike Hammer
----------------
To be followed by the .218 vs. .219 debate.
I hate these family squabbles.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2015 10:12 PM (oFSUK)
Posted by: Ralph at December 21, 2015 10:12 PM (cWx6M)
Posted by: Mike Hammer
****
Those guys talk like fags and their sh*t's all retarded.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 10:13 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 10:13 PM (fqFkQ)
A shotgun for your door
A rifle reaches out
And no man needs more.
Cute. Does that mean I should get a shotgun?
Posted by: Lea at December 21, 2015 10:10 PM (aUjAM)
***
Yes. A scattergun was - and still is - standard kitchen gear where I grew up.
A 12 gauge, or even a 20 gauge, loaded with #00 buckshot is about the most devastating weapon, within its effective range, a civilian can have.
Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine at December 21, 2015 10:13 PM (lutOX)
Posted by: Bernie Sanders at December 21, 2015 10:14 PM (p4az2)
"If there were a bunch of Catholics from Northern Ireland coming here and a couple of them kept blowing shit up and killing Protestants I would have zero problem with putting a halt on immigration of Catholics from there until we could ensure that the ones coming here weren't of "kill the Protestant heretics" variety."
I like this a lot - but would still say that in your scenario, a Catholic who distinguished himself fighting those Catholics blowing shit up and killing Protestants, and found himself targeted by them as a result, is probably OK.
Posted by: JPS at December 21, 2015 10:14 PM (9ziuC)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:01 PM (uZNvH)
I think the problem, chemjeff, is trying to figure out which Muslims take Islam "seriously" and which don't.
The ones that do constitute a clear and present danger to the United States, precisely because Islam, as designed, is just simply totally inimicable to classical liberalism as embodied by the founding documents of the United States.
The ones that don't may or may not, depending on the myriad of other factors affecting the human psyche.
But the fact that somebody identifies as a Muslim IS A WARNING SIGN that they may in fact take it seriously.
We ignore the threat that a "fundamentalist" construction of the Koran poses to Western civilization at our imminent peril.
This does not mean that somebody who identifies as a Muslim is automatically a bad person. It does mean that he or she is unfortunate in his/her heritage or life choices, IMHO. And through their identification as a Muslim . that person has self-identified to singled his/herself out for suspicion and scrutiny, for the reasons described above.
This is unfortunate, but it isn't my fault. The fault is with Islam, and the terror and mayhem it has already spawned.
Posted by: Columbia at December 21, 2015 10:14 PM (s5o+q)
the fact is that a lot of innocent Muslims will be affected adversely,. they should take it up with their murderous coreligionists.
private institutions already discriminate against citizens of various countries. for example students in Nigeria and some other countries who are taking the SATs are restricted to certain forms of payment and have to do other stuff that others don't have to go through. and for good reason. This also affects honest Nigerians. At a point, I think some airlines require you to go to the airport to pay for your tickets, which is incredibly inconvenient.
But guess who I used to blame when I was affected. Friggin fraudulent Nigerians who were ruining things for the rest of us.
Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 10:14 PM (OkKDg)
If Boeing goes back into the booster business, that would violate their agreement with the US government.
Posted by: Old Blue at December 21, 2015 10:14 PM (9iR5/)
Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 10:14 PM (BTnAK)
Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 10:14 PM (s5o+q)
A lie.
A lie.
The only way it gets traction or harms Trump is if the press reports on what Hillary says, with no context or fact-checking.
Which is what they always do for the democrats, and they do it in lockstep. All media outlets. You can call it JournalList, or whatever, but it's been going on for so long as to become a joke on Limbaugh, one of the few things I really still like about his show. The monday recap of the talking points spewed in lockstep over the weekend.
Hiding behind a claim that they are only reporting what she said is technically true, but it is a gift not offered to those they disagree with. (I would strike out the word disagree and insert Hate, but I don't know how)
The morons of the country (real ones, not us) will lap this up, as it requires nothing but to wear their blue team foam finger in the he said/she said eternal arguement, with no desire or intent to know the truth.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 21, 2015 10:15 PM (kKHcp)
Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 10:15 PM (OkKDg)
Let him get the door.
Posted by: Ralph
----------------
Jeeves!
*hands Jeeves a Taurus Judge*
I say, Jeeves, answer the door will you?
Posted by: Bertie Wooster at December 21, 2015 10:15 PM (oFSUK)
You're welcome, first hand information is hard to come by and I appreciate your comments!
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 10:17 PM (ftVQq)
New Jersey police officers say Muslims DID celebrate 9/11 and eyewitness remembers cheers of 'Allahu Akbar!'
http://preview.tinyurl.com/j7rzkrf
Posted by: Ralph at December 21, 2015 10:17 PM (cWx6M)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 21, 2015 10:10 PM (AkOaV)
No I agree, the dumbass-in-chief is definitely making things worse by suggesting that all Muslims are peaceful, when they clearly aren't.I think, on a statistical basis, people have a legitimate reason to be concerned about Muslims inflicting harm upon them.I only ask that as a matter of national policy that we strive to judge each individual on his/her own merits to the best of our abilities.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:17 PM (uZNvH)
*hands Jeeves a Taurus Judge*
I say, Jeeves, answer the door will you?
Posted by: Bertie Wooster at December 21, 2015 10:15 PM (oFSUK)
I have real life things I have to do, but this is why I keep hanging out here far longer than I should!
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 10:18 PM (ftVQq)
Truth. I would love to carve out exception for true refugees like Syrian Christians and Muslims who were on our side in the me, but I have lost all faith that our govt is making any effort whatsoever to differentiate. So here we are.
This is not about punishment, it is proper risk management.
Posted by: Lea at December 21, 2015 10:18 PM (aUjAM)
Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine
-------------
Objection!
#1 buck, if you please.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2015 10:19 PM (oFSUK)
----
Exceptions to the rule will always exist. But the default setting should be turned to "no"
Posted by: Buzzion at December 21, 2015 10:19 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 10:19 PM (BTnAK)
I haven't heard of that, but I wouldn't be surprised if, with the speed that laws are passed these days, it's legal by now.
If not now, then soon. The spice must flow.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 21, 2015 10:20 PM (LUgeY)
The neighbors frown on getting shot, even if by accident.
There is conventional .223 ammo that will fragment upon striking two sheets of drywall and not keep going.
What it will do to a bad guy hit square is pretty nasty too.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 10:20 PM (hVdx9)
Let him get the door.
Posted by: Ralph at December 21, 2015 10:12 PM (cWx6M)<<<
The back door?
Posted by: Meghan at December 21, 2015 10:20 PM (H9MG5)
Posted by: Hank at December 21, 2015 10:20 PM (aUcgj)
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 21, 2015 10:20 PM (BHl9S)
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 10:11 PM (hVdx9)
Sexist! : )
Ah well. 2 out of three ain't bad.
Posted by: Lea at December 21, 2015 10:20 PM (aUjAM)
You can call islam a religion if you want, but that part that is religion is a small part of the islamic culture.
A minor component of that culture - individually they expect others to conform to their religion in that we have taxi drivers refusing to carry passengers with booze or dogs, supermarket cashiers that refuse to ring up pork and other products, a large groups obstructing traffic en masse to pray.
IF even a small minority refuse to adapt customs and good order then that is sufficient reason to stop allowing further immigration until the newbies adapt. Sorry, prospective immigrants have no right to enter the country and if a few bad apples ruin it for them, then that is a problem with them.
A major component - historically, except when these cultures do have military superiority, they like to go forth in small groups and kill women, children, pretty much anybody that cannot defend themselves. Meanwhile those who did not directly participate cry, "Don't hurt me". Then after a period of inactivity, another group from those who once cried "Don't hurt me" will go forth and kill women, children, pretty much anybody that cannot defend themselves. and so on and so forth... for as long as they are tolerated.
This is a cultural problem.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 21, 2015 10:20 PM (T78UI)
That is to say, we should ignore their upbringing, environment and culture iff it is Islamic. Hey, I know this song!
Posted by: t-bird at December 21, 2015 10:22 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 10:22 PM (BTnAK)
What it will do to a bad guy hit square is pretty nasty too.
What happens if the bad guy is holding up a couple sheets of drywall (or wearing a heavy coat)?
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 21, 2015 10:22 PM (bZ7mE)
Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 10:19 PM (BTnAK)
The problem is that the very thought of schism and reformation of Islam is . . . as I understand it . . . apostasy. The Koran was, supposedly, the Last Word Of God, and any attempt to "reform" it is the worst kind of heresy. A neat theological trick, actually.
Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 10:23 PM (s5o+q)
#1 buck, if you please.
Posted by: Mike Hammer,
****
I'll be damned, another #1 buck fan. Better than OO I understand. Many don't even know it exists.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 10:23 PM (hVdx9)
I take my Christianity very seriously and believe in it 100% , so I can understand how a Muslim can take Islam very seriously.
I consider myself a Christian first before anything else, but my faith does not require me to conquer earthly governments. in fact it commands me to be subject to earthly authorities as long as they don't force me to disobey God. so I can be a patriotic, loyal American and a good Christian.
Islam is very different and dictates every single aspect of the Muslim's life, frequency in ways that are incompatible with what we would consider a free society. And, what we consider free society is grounded in Judeo Christian principles.
Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 10:24 PM (OkKDg)
Posted by: simplemind<<<
There isn't one c*nt in this executive branch or legislative branch that is willing to throw down the gauntlet and acknowledge this unfortunate reality. It's just workplace violence, ya'll.
Posted by: Fritz at December 21, 2015 10:24 PM (BngQR)
Chemjeff, I agree we only punish deeds not thoughts, but do you think we should accept Syrian refugees?
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 21, 2015 10:20 PM (BHl9S)
This also goes to chique's statement - nobody has any right to be in this country, I completely agree with that.
I don't think any Syrian refugee, or any non-citizen for that matter, has any right to be here. There are plenty of ways to help Syrian refugees that don't involve transporting them to American soil.
But *IF* we are going to bring Syrian refugees here, I don't think it should be based on any religious test, to the extent allowed by law. Now the law allows certain religions to get preferential treatment if they can show they are being heavily persecuted and if that is the case then yes let them in, again, IF we are going to accept any at all.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:24 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 10:25 PM (BTnAK)
A shotgun for your door
A rifle reaches out
And no man needs more."
::: raises hand :::
I think I need a battery of MLRS.
Actually, I think I need the Russian version of same. With the very nasty thermobaric warheads that the United States is now too nice to deploy.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 21, 2015 10:25 PM (noWW6)
It's just a wee bit worse than that. Nuclear countries are being invaded.
Funny how little we hear of that.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 21, 2015 10:25 PM (LUgeY)
Posted by: Old Blue at December 21, 2015 10:25 PM (9iR5/)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:17 PM (uZNvH)
...Yet our government does not do that. Apparently it would have been racist to, for example, check the san bernardino checks facebook calls to jihad.
So if we don't do that minimal amount of due diligence, then...
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 21, 2015 10:25 PM (AkOaV)
Are land mines in vogue? I should get some more because I keep forgetting where I put them.
Posted by: t-bird at December 21, 2015 10:26 PM (9mTYi)
making things worse by suggesting that all Muslims are peaceful, when
they clearly aren't.I think, on a statistical basis, people have a
legitimate reason to be concerned about Muslims inflicting harm upon
them.I only ask that as a matter of national policy that we strive to
judge each individual on his/her own merits to the best of our
abilities.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:17 PM (uZNvH)
I'm with you as far as personal morality on how to treat those around you, but as a mater of national policy we really do need to shut the tap on the incoming flow.
Posted by: mugiwara at December 21, 2015 10:26 PM (9eF7E)
Video: "We've got to secure our borders and prevent high risk groups from entering the country."
Formerly peaceful Muslim: "That makes me so angry! I want to crucify babies and behead random people!"
As you csn see, given the provoca, this is a perfectly justified rational response.
Posted by: Hilary Clinton at December 21, 2015 10:27 PM (k092K)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 21, 2015 10:27 PM (ucDmr)
Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 10:25 PM (BTnAK)
Yes, but the Protestants didn't have to totally re-write both the Old and New Testaments, the way the Muslims will have to re-write the Koran in order to accomplish a hypothetical Islamic Reformation.
Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 10:27 PM (s5o+q)
Posted by: Grey Fox
****
It will go thru the heavy coat no problem.
As for holding up two sheets of drywall, I'll push him over, THEN shoot him.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 10:27 PM (hVdx9)
Let him get the door.
Posted by: Ralph
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Jeeves!
*hands Jeeves a Taurus Judge*
I say, Jeeves, answer the door will you?
Posted by: Bertie Wooster at December 21, 2015 10:15 PM (oFSUK)
***
Sir, the gentlemen at the door were desirous of conversation with me regarding, as one of them put it, "Whose ride that is?" They were referring, I surmise, to our motor-car.
I informed him, and his compatriots as well, that the conveyance in question was in fact ours, and that they would do well to bear this in mind. Upon the conclusion of my remarks, my interlocutors sought an audience with you, sir, and were rather non-plussed when I indicated that you were not receiving at this time.
I punctuated my comments by discharging three rounds - one of bird shot, with the balance made up of what Mr. Gribble calls his "flying ashtrays," sir. I have telephoned elements of the local constabulary, who will be along presently to clean the front steps.
I have placed the cigarettes on the small table, sir.
Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine at December 21, 2015 10:28 PM (lutOX)
I saw a photo of Hilz today. There is not one single photo without a gap between her petards. I assume she does not wear a bra, ever, or why not hoist them? Lift and separate, Hilz.
I know, I know, I have better things to do like making canapes or Christmas cookies or cleaning something. (Note: on December 26th here is what I plan to do: stay in bed the entire day).
It simply is amazing that, with all of her money, she cannot find a decent tailor or stylist (see latest debate bathrobe). Tunics with pockets, like double signs pointing to her wide load. Maybe to keep her upright she requires battery packs and they are wired through to the pockets. Maybe she is packin' heat (oh, no, do not go there, Christy).
So, her bathroom potty break late mid-debate hooha was due to someone's staff member being in front of her. Yet! There are two stalls. Did they not want to see or assume the Depends change and the staff needed for this event? Doth she have to lie prone with lots of yanking and swearing to get the ole support hose and Spanx? And then she saunters back, to applause (lame audience and supporters..."Yay! She's late!"), while Sanders is yammering. He should have turned to her and asked if her Immodium has failed her, or that he is sad she is lactose intolerant.
What a hag.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 21, 2015 10:28 PM (7lqMl)
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Just kind of walk a serpentine pattern out in your front yard. Sooner or later you'll find them.
Posted by: Old Blue at December 21, 2015 10:28 PM (9iR5/)
Posted by: Lea at December 21, 2015 10:18 PM (aUjAM)
Lea nailed it. The first concern of our government should not be "being fair" to foreigners, but the safety and well being of Americans.
I agree that ideally the Muslims who helped us at great danger to themselves and the persecuted Christians should be admitted - but since the bastard in chief sez no religious tests* I don't trust the government to make those distinctions.
*Of course the Obama admin has religious tests. Remember the homeschooling German Christian family they tried to deport? Now there was a danger to national security!
Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at December 21, 2015 10:28 PM (P8951)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 21, 2015 10:25 PM (AkOaV)
...then I would hope people would adopt a position somewhere between "broken status quo that isn't working" and "lazy religious tests which would do more harm than good"
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:29 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 21, 2015 10:29 PM (BHl9S)
Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 10:25 PM (BTnAK)
Protestants didn't rewrite God's Word (as would be necessary to 'fix' islam), we returned to it.
Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2015 10:29 PM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 21, 2015 10:29 PM (+eR2D)
Posted by: Hilary Clinton at December 21, 2015 10:29 PM (k092K)
The Three Little Pigs called while you were out.
They said, "The Big Bad Wolf didn't get at us here in our sturdy brick house, and neither is any damn buckshot going to either."
Posted by: torquewrench at December 21, 2015 10:30 PM (noWW6)
I think that is a lot of it.
Another issue is the assumption by many that the cultural values of the culture that they grew up in - based on Christian (and to a lesser extent Jewish) morality - is just "common sense," and have never thought carefully about where the definition of "good" and "evil" comes from. As a result, it is difficult to believe that other people why honestly and wholeheartedly subscribe to a radically different definition.
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 21, 2015 10:30 PM (bZ7mE)
Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 10:30 PM (BTnAK)
Posted by: t-bird at December 21, 2015 10:26 PM (9mTYi)
I think they're a war crime.
But then, so is beheading civilians like Obama's co-religionists do, so . . .
(semi-ironic, semi-serious smiley inserted here?)
Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 10:30 PM (s5o+q)
Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 10:31 PM (OkKDg)
Here ChemJeff, I got you this CostCo sized bag of M&M's, but 10 of them are poisonous.
Bon Apetit.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 21, 2015 10:31 PM (kKHcp)
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately
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As an adolescent I used a 20 ga. side-by-side loaded with #3 buck to hunt whitetails in low country SC. It was perfectly effective. I think that 12 ga. is oversized for home defense, and the more pellets the better, if we are talking ranges under 50'. Truthfully, #4's might even be a better choice.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2015 10:31 PM (oFSUK)
buckshot is about the most devastating weapon, within its effective
range, ontga civilian can have.
Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine"
Don't know who you are, but, that's about right.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 10:31 PM (fqFkQ)
Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 10:32 PM (BTnAK)
Chemjeff, I like you, but dude, give it a rest.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 21, 2015 10:32 PM (+eR2D)
New Jersey police officers say Muslims DID celebrate 9/11 and eyewitness remembers cheers of 'Allahu Akbar!'
http://preview.tinyurl.com/j7rzkrf
Posted by: Ralph at December 21, 2015 10:17 PM (cWx6M)
======================
4K 3D or it didn't happen.
Sure, thousands of muslims world-wide celebrated, but not here.
Here we have magic dirt.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 21, 2015 10:32 PM (T78UI)
As Shirley pointed out, people would would be less desperate for
"extreme" measures if they thought they had a competent and responsive
govt that gave a crap about their safety.
Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 10:31 PM (OkKDg)
No I totally agree, Obumbles is making everything worse by insisting there's no problem here.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:32 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 10:32 PM (OkKDg)
Happy Holidays, Morons. See you in a few weeks.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 21, 2015 10:33 PM (+eR2D)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 21, 2015 10:33 PM (FkBIv)
They said, "The Big Bad Wolf didn't get at us here in our sturdy brick house, and neither is any damn buckshot going to either."
Posted by: torquewrench
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No sturdy brick houses here. Just thin walled dwellings stacked on top of each other.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 10:33 PM (hVdx9)
Besides everyone should own at least 1 classic milsurp rifle.
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at December 21, 2015 10:33 PM (A1Dcl)
Ha. I've missed most of them I guess.
Time to turn in anyhow. Night.
Posted by: Lea at December 21, 2015 10:34 PM (aUjAM)
buckshot is about the most devastating weapon, within its effective
range, ontga civilian can have.
Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine"
Don't know who you are, but, that's about right.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 10:31 PM (fqFkQ)
***
Clean-up's a bitch afterward, though. Aim for the belly, son, it's the last to move.
Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine at December 21, 2015 10:34 PM (lutOX)
Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine
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Well done, Jeeves, by jove, well done!
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2015 10:35 PM (oFSUK)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 10:35 PM (fqFkQ)
Posted by: Sanders Greeting Hillary! After Her Potty Break at December 21, 2015 10:35 PM (8aOqE)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 10:35 PM (voOPb)
Bon Apetit.
Damn. Cuts right to the chase!
Posted by: t-bird at December 21, 2015 10:35 PM (9mTYi)
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Tango9, is that you?
Posted by: Old Blue at December 21, 2015 10:36 PM (9iR5/)
But of course. The moral of the story being that before SHTF scenarios eventuate, people would do well to relocate to robust domiciling.
I've got my eye on this milsurp Minuteman missile silo.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 21, 2015 10:36 PM (noWW6)
We now have a society that has been radically transformed in very undesirable ways. I do not want to conserve it. I want to return it to a state that worked better for everyone. That requires radical change in the opposite direction.
I doubt Trump will do that, but at least he could take a wrecking ball to the institutions the Progressives have built.
Posted by: despair at December 21, 2015 10:36 PM (VrdxH)
I think he's off-base, but I do not think he is way out there.
Islam, fundamentalist Islam, now THAT is way, way out there.
Chemjeff, he's just trying too hard to be nice, IMHO.
And I'm running out of rum. Damn.
Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 10:36 PM (s5o+q)
Besides everyone should own at least 1 classic milsurp rifle.
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at December 21, 2015 10:33 PM (A1Dcl)
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It's a bit much. They make good trunk or truck guns, and I love their simplicity - almost a piece of agricultural equipment, really. But that's a whole lotta round right there......
Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine at December 21, 2015 10:37 PM (lutOX)
Besides everyone should own at least 1 classic milsurp rifle.
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston
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Got that covered x3
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 10:37 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 21, 2015 10:37 PM (dvuhZ)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 10:37 PM (voOPb)
398 I got you this CostCo sized bag of M&M's, but 10 of them are poisonous.
Bon Apetit.
Damn. Cuts right to the chase!
Posted by: t-bird at December 21, 2015 10:35 PM (9mTYi)
Hell. There's only one poisonous one. Would you still start eating them?
Posted by: Buzzion at December 21, 2015 10:37 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 21, 2015 10:37 PM (7lqMl)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:29 PM (uZNvH)
Yeah, but as we've seen with our immigration laws, if the government just refuses to follow the law and the will of the people... I don't know the answer.
I'm just saying that's the other side of the argument.
Personally, I think there are Muslims who we should admit to the US -- like our interpreters who we promised entrance to the US if they helped our soldiers in Afghanistan. But apparently they're low priority.
Instead we get the San Bernardino chick and countless other Muslims who hate us. While our terps languish.
So like I said, I don't know the answer. but "ban on all refugees and immigrants from Muslim countries" does not seem unreasonable to me. At least until we can put in place a verified system that we can all be reasonably confident in.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 21, 2015 10:37 PM (AkOaV)
Oh, what the fuck are we having this discussion for again?
Here ChemJeff, I got you this CostCo sized bag of MM's, but 10 of them are poisonous.
Bon Apetit.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 21, 2015 10:31 PM (kKHcp)
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Oh crap, are we seriously doing this again? I swear, it is every freaking night around here.
Chemjeff, I like you, but dude, give it a rest.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 21, 2015 10:32 PM (+eR2D)
I like you all too
but to be honest we don't have this discussion "every freaking night" and I believe each individual should be evaluated on his/her own merits, which means taking the bag of M and M's and judging each one to see if it is poisonous or not.Someone around here has to stand up for the libertarian belief that every individual deserves a modicum of dignity. Not to say that every individual's beliefs are equivalent (they aren't) or that every individual has a right to be here (they don't), only to say that every individual is a human being with sincerely held beliefs that while we may not agree with them, we shouldn't punish either. that is all.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:37 PM (uZNvH)
Even if you don't hit any of the goblins, they will be sitting around in a dazed stupor from the muzzle blast alone.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 21, 2015 10:38 PM (noWW6)
I've missed chatting with you guys. Unfortunately I have to go now.
Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 10:38 PM (OkKDg)
re-write both the Old and New Testaments, the way the Muslims will have
to re-write the Koran in order to accomplish a hypothetical Islamic
Reformation.
Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 10:27 PM (s5o+q)
I've been wondering if there could be a plausible argument for reverse abrogation. Instead of the 'kill the infidels' Medina verses taking precedence, the earlier peace and love Medina verses do. If I recall correctly, Allah got 99 name but bitch ain't one. Surely one of them is Guardian of Space-Time and maybe Allah meant for the Koran to be some reverse Memento shit. The Koran doesn't really have a linear narrative so it's not totally implausible.
Posted by: mugiwara at December 21, 2015 10:38 PM (9eF7E)
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Tango9, is that you?
Posted by: Old Blue at December 21, 2015 10:36 PM (9iR5/)
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Not as far as i know....
Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine at December 21, 2015 10:38 PM (lutOX)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 10:35 PM (fqFkQ)
Excuse me, I am cute drunk AND sober. So there.
Why am I still here?
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 21, 2015 10:39 PM (+eR2D)
replies something like "I'm a Baptist. But I don't go to church; I don't
believe in all that organized rigamarole." They are sorta Christians,
but don't spend a whole lot of time examining their belief or spend any
time trying to follow all the tenets.
Then something happens to
them (internally or externally), and they become Born Again or even go
full bore and join the priesthood or a nunnery. They become devout. I do
not fear these people. Their religious intensity poses no personal risk
to me or mine.
I also think that quite a few muslims fall into
the 'sorta' category. And I don't fear those muslims. But if they become
or are devout, they become dangerous to everyone around them.
Non-devout spouses or children, infidels, other muslim sects, apostates,
blasphemers -- Any or all of these triggers may set them off to act
violently.
And since devoutness is a wholly internal affair, how
can you tell when one muslim is a danger to others? Even non-devout
muslims retain that latency of change in intensity of belief.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 21, 2015 10:39 PM (gyKtp)
Posted by: Mr. Wizard at December 21, 2015 10:39 PM (hCdMd)
Herself will keep arms manufacturing businesses running a second shift.
Posted by: Hank at December 21, 2015 10:39 PM (aUcgj)
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 10:39 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: @votermom at December 21, 2015 10:40 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 10:33 PM (hVdx9)
It's unlikely a mid-caliber rifle round or handgun round will make it through your walls and through your neighbors walls if you shoot inside the house.
Maybe... but I wouldn't worry too much.
Also, if you carry hollow point the bullets are even less likely to penetrate.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 21, 2015 10:40 PM (AkOaV)
Bon Apetit.
This. Even if every individual candy has rights. Sometimes - you gotta' play the odds.
Even if DC politicians try to skew the rules to let the hot chocolate ones in.
Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 10:41 PM (qmMG2)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 21, 2015 10:41 PM (ucDmr)
Ed Gein had sincerely held beliefs.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 21, 2015 10:41 PM (noWW6)
Looking for a little plinking riffle
My .22 was my grandpas an old Marlin 22 single shot
Looking to move up is all
I have s&w .22 semi auto pistol as well
Would like to get back into squirrel hunting
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 10:41 PM (voOPb)
I would tend to prefer a Mauser or an Enfield over a m91/30, but otherwise would agree with you. Bolt-actions are under-rated these days, I think. Of course I am biased.
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 21, 2015 10:41 PM (bZ7mE)
We now have a society that has been radically transformed in very undesirable ways. I do not want to conserve it. I want to return it to a state that worked better for everyone. That requires radical change in the opposite direction.
I doubt Trump will do that, but at least he could take a wrecking ball to the institutions the Progressives have built.
Posted by: despair at December 21, 2015 10:36 PM (VrdxH)
Conservatism hasn't failed.
Conservatism, except for the rather weak-tea version of the Reagan Administration, hasn't even been tried.
What has failed is GOPe-ism. Go-along-ism. Democrat-lite-ism. Walk-towards-the-cliff rather than Run-off-the-cliff-ism.
The Republican Party Establishment has utterly, completely, totally, unequivocally, failed.
Which means that the Republican Party has failed.
Who's Got Next?
Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 10:41 PM (s5o+q)
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What harm is there *to us* in barring muslims access to the country?
Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2015 10:42 PM (ZbV+0)
Ammo readily available?"
.17s are good and ammo is okay, Fun little shooters.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 10:42 PM (fqFkQ)
Jerusalem where 1000+ foreigners get stampeded into oblivion,
the prudent thing would be to utilize woodchippers to hastily bring the festivities back into
order?
Posted by: Fritz at December 21, 2015 10:42 PM (BngQR)
_____
The method to check them does not exist. Yet you are demanding that we all start eating. How are you so obtuse that you are incapable of comprehending this?
Posted by: Buzzion at December 21, 2015 10:42 PM (z/Ubi)
IMO it's not about being "nice". There are plenty of evil individuals out there who don't deserve to be treated "nice". They should be treated with extreme prejudice. But only after we understand that it is based on their own individual actions that they should be treated thusly. It is really about human dignity. This cuts both ways.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:42 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 10:42 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 10:35 PM (fqFkQ)
Excuse me, I am cute drunk AND sober. So there.
Why am I still here?
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 21, 2015 10:39 PM (+eR2D)
****
Because you've been waiting to meet me?
Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine at December 21, 2015 10:42 PM (lutOX)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Sooth! at December 21, 2015 10:42 PM (9xFD7)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:17 PM (uZNvH)
National policy is not about individuals. It is about groups, nations, and regions. It's absurd to think that the gov't can individually vet more than an extremely small number of people. Constantly repeating this refrain won't make it reality.
As others have repeatedly pointed out, Muslims follow a religion that if followed, is dangerous to us. It's not our job to figure out how to vet them. It's their job to change Islam. And it's not going to happen if we keep thinking it's just a few bad apples.
Posted by: WOPR at December 21, 2015 10:43 PM (LTDSy)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 21, 2015 10:43 PM (ucDmr)
Might I suggest ... the HighPoint 995 ?
It's cheap. It's ugly. And it's American Made and works every damn day.
You know. Kind of like us.
Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 10:44 PM (qmMG2)
Maybe... but I wouldn't worry too much.
Also, if you carry hollow point the bullets are even less likely to penetrate.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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A rifle is easier to shoot under stress.
The AR-15 has less recoil than a 12ga
It also has higher ammo capacity.
If the bad guy moves and I miss, I'd hate for a neighbor to catch the bullet.
That is mush less likely with the .223.
Handgun bullets will blow thru multiple walls with ease.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 10:44 PM (hVdx9)
So I'm going to go read, for real this time.
Merry Christmas, everyone. And Happy New Year. My family comes in tomorrow so doubt I'll be around for a while. Love you guys.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 21, 2015 10:44 PM (+eR2D)
Why am I still here?
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 21, 2015 10:39 PM (+eR2D)
So . . .
cute, sober girl hangs around with old drunk guys . . .
hmm . . .
Where the hell's that ONT?
Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 10:45 PM (s5o+q)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:37 PM (uZNvH)
Lol, in terms of recent history, just about.
Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 10:45 PM (C3E0x)
Perhaps an AR next year before they are banned
Thanks folks for your input
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 10:45 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:42 PM (uZNvH)
Human dignity doesn't mean they get to come to this country. It means we won't glass them for what they believe as long as they keep it in their country.
Posted by: WOPR at December 21, 2015 10:46 PM (LTDSy)
Why am I still here?
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 21, 2015 10:39 PM (+eR2D)
If so, where the hell is husband? I would have tied you to the bed 2 hours ago.
Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 10:46 PM (C3E0x)
Bot, was I ever in trouble.
Posted by: Hank at December 21, 2015 10:47 PM (aUcgj)
Chemjeff,
We the USA do not make illegals & refuges assimilate to our ways. That is why most don't want them here.
My grandparents & greatgrandparents, different sides, came to U. S. In late 19th century or early 20th century. They had to assimilate, learn English, pass medical tests & be humiliated according to an Italian neighbor who came here in 1956, had to prove that her father had trade & sponsor that would support them.
I want that law back & that SOB Ted Kennedy, my former senator was behind most of the worse laws of 20th century.
I've been trying, unsuccessfully, all afternoon to take a nap.
Good Night!
Assimilate, learn English & get a job & we can take some.
Posted by: Carol at December 21, 2015 10:47 PM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Sooth! at December 21, 2015 10:48 PM (9xFD7)
Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 10:48 PM (C3E0x)
Servicemaster cleans up & is covered by insurance
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 10:48 PM (voOPb)
Name a disqualifying personal action. And you may not pick 'detonation'.
Posted by: t-bird at December 21, 2015 10:49 PM (n22zQ)
Perhaps an AR next year before they are banned
Thanks folks for your input
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian
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If you can swing it now, I would get an AR-15. Prices are obscenely low and seems to have bottom.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 10:50 PM (hVdx9)
*holds breath, skips Tinyurl*
http://www.ruger.com/products/1022Sporter/models.html
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2015 10:50 PM (oFSUK)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:42 PM (uZNvH)
Matthew 7:16
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Sorry to go Biblical on you, but "from your works you shall know them" sort of triggered that. I didn't even realize that the whole section began with "Beware of false prophets."
Spooky.
Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 10:51 PM (s5o+q)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 10:51 PM (voOPb)
Why am I still here?
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hard"
Well you told me off.
*Out myself*
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 10:51 PM (fqFkQ)
I got my A/R before CA bans them but it has that stupid bullet button magazine release. My friend told me I can get some sort of tool/magnet thing so you can drop the mag without a bullet.
Also Obama 's pic is in the local gun store that reads salesman of the year.
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 21, 2015 10:51 PM (BHl9S)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Sooth! at December 21, 2015 10:48 PM (9xFD7)
***
I confess, it is difficult to argue with this....
Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine at December 21, 2015 10:51 PM (lutOX)
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 10:50 PM (hVdx9)
Who makes a good AR at a good price?
Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 10:51 PM (C3E0x)
demanding that we all start eating. How are you so obtuse that you are
incapable of comprehending this?
Posted by: Buzzion at December 21, 2015 10:42 PM (z/Ubi)
I disagree with your premise. I do think that the government can do a better job than what it is currently doing with regards to evaluating each individual. If the government is truly and utterly unable to determine if a particular individual would be a danger to the country or not, then yes of course keep that person out. But that is not the case for every single Muslim.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:51 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 21, 2015 10:51 PM (BHl9S)
Also at every gun show.
Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 10:52 PM (C3E0x)
Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 10:52 PM (BTnAK)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 10:52 PM (voOPb)
If you want a Henry 22lr, they are 300.00
Blued barrel. Shrouded front sight.
I opted for the Golden Boy, and I don't regret it. I often call it my second favorite gun, because I take what I intend to shoot for a particular day and then just before I leave, I take the Henry too.
Smoothest action ever. Accurate as hell. Quiet. Fun. Super reliable, and can shoot any 22 other than mag.
You won't regret paying a little more.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 21, 2015 10:53 PM (kKHcp)
http://www.ruger.com/products/1022RCS/models.html
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2015 10:53 PM (oFSUK)
For home defense where neighbors/family are not a concern-7.62x39 or 300 AAC
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 10:54 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 10:54 PM (fqFkQ)
What proof can you demonstrate that they are capable of that? You can't
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 10:54 PM (voOPb)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:54 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Sooth! at December 21, 2015 10:55 PM (9xFD7)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 21, 2015 10:55 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: mugiwara at December 21, 2015 10:56 PM (9eF7E)
There's your prob CJ. The government can do a better job.
What proof can you demonstrate that they are capable of that? You can't
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 10:54 PM (voOPb)
Because they aren't even as effective as your garden variety job interview. Which is just sad.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:56 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 10:52 PM (BTnAK)
I think he wants to consider each individual person, but is seriously uncomfortable with considering that the attribute "Muslim" is, frankly (IMHO here) a negative element in a person who seeks to operate in a classical-liberal culture such as the one we used to have here in the USA, and which we hope to restore one day hopefully sooner rather than later.
I personally don't think that's a defensible position, but he continues to try to defend it.
Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 10:56 PM (s5o+q)
He confessed that he heaved his guts out.
"Just a mess....I've seen men hit by trucks and trains who looked better."
Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine at December 21, 2015 10:56 PM (lutOX)
Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 10:56 PM (BTnAK)
Posted by: Blano
****
I have heard good things about S&W M&P Sport. You can get one for $600-$700.
I am almost done building my own AR, but it was a budget build.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 10:56 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 10:56 PM (voOPb)
Heh.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 21, 2015 10:56 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 21, 2015 10:57 PM (AkOaV)
particular individual would be a danger to the country or not, then yes
of course keep that person out.
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The government is totally unwilling to make and effort. In the case of *every* mohammadan. Nothing you say is going to change that.
So you are choosing to grab a handful of M and Ms, and demand each of us do the same, basically because palin steele told us it was okay.
Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2015 10:57 PM (ZbV+0)
better job than what it is currently doing with regards to evaluating
each individual.>>>
The next question is even with perfect procedures/rules do you trust the govt to follow them?
Posted by: Willy J. at December 21, 2015 10:59 PM (wHX4r)
What proof can you demonstrate that they are capable of that? You can't
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 10:54 PM (voOPb)
And again why should we be letting them in when they aren't doing this job. It's obvious what chemjeff's position is. Keep letting them in even though there is no way in place to determine if they are going to go jihadi. That is stupid and insane. And rather pathetic lazy thinking.
Posted by: Buzzion at December 21, 2015 10:59 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 11:00 PM (BTnAK)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled
****
In that case .223.
I saw an AR-15 rifle kit that has everything but the lower receiver for $380. Add Anderson MFG stripped lower and you can build a rifle for about $450.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 11:01 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: goon at December 21, 2015 11:03 PM (gy5kE)
And again why should we be letting them in when
they aren't doing this job. It's obvious what chemjeff's position is.
Keep letting them in even though there is no way in place to determine
if they are going to go jihadi. That is stupid and insane. And rather
pathetic lazy thinking.
Posted by: Buzzion at December 21, 2015 10:59 PM (z/Ubi)
I am saying that EVERYONE should be evaluated on his/her own merits - Christian, Muslim, Jew, it does not matter.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 11:03 PM (uZNvH)
474. Chem Jeff's persistence suggests a higher motivation factor than just philosophy. It's personal. Fits.
Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 11:00 PM (BTnAK)
It is "personal" in the sense that I do not want to be evaluated based on some group characteristics that I might share with others, I want to be evaluated on my own merits, good or bad. Don't you?
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 11:04 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Buzzion at December 21, 2015 11:04 PM (z/Ubi)
I've got a 1973 Fiat I for sale. Does the Fiat pat scare you at least just a little to make some extra checks?
Posted by: Willy J. at December 21, 2015 11:04 PM (wHX4r)
I thought libertarians understood that government is intrinsically opposed to liberty.
Posted by: @votermom at December 21, 2015 11:07 PM (cbfNE)
Good God. Do we need a drill to get it through your skull?
Posted by: Buzzion at December 21, 2015 11:04 PM (z/Ubi)
Perhaps you would stop misrepresenting my position...
I don't think that anyone at all should be let in, that is a slanderous lie.
I think everyone should be evaluated on his/her own merits, regardless of whatever religion that person belongs to.
If that person is a terrorist, then that person should be kept out, regardless if that person is a Christian, Jew or Muslim. Now I fully expect that there are more potential Muslim terrorists than there are potential Jewish terrorists. That's fine, they should all be kept out.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 11:07 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Willy J. at December 21, 2015 11:09 PM (wHX4r)
Posted by: Buzzion at December 21, 2015 11:10 PM (z/Ubi)
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There's no reason to treat mohammadans the same as Jews and Christians. Jew and Christians *are* western civilization. mohammadans are not.
The broader principle you are trying to invent does not exist.
Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2015 11:11 PM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: Northernlurker at December 21, 2015 09:42 PM (hJrjt)
She goat/he goat. It's all good.
Posted by: Hundreds of Millions of Muslim Men at December 21, 2015 11:11 PM (QWtgr)
Except that you refuse to use any of those demerits, if they're of a particular flavor. It's weird.
Posted by: t-bird at December 21, 2015 11:12 PM (J3phO)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 11:13 PM (uZNvH)
There we go. Chemjeff wants to keep out terrorists. We're on the same side.
Posted by: t-bird at December 21, 2015 11:14 PM (J3phO)
That said
Hey man it's okay. I feel for you. Doesn't mean you aren't entitled to be heard, but it's not going to change any minds. Give it a rest you will feel better when you stop beating your head into the wall.
Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 11:15 PM (BTnAK)
Thank the Good Lord that nobody wore an inappropriate shirt while assisting in the launch and recovery.
Because that's what's REALLY important about such scientific advancements.
Posted by: Sharkman at December 21, 2015 11:16 PM (QWtgr)
Posted by: carlito at December 21, 2015 11:19 PM (MUJMq)
Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 11:22 PM (BTnAK)
I don't think that anyone at all should be let in, that is a slanderous lie.
I think everyone should be evaluated on his/her own merits, regardless of whatever religion that person belongs to.
If that person is a terrorist, then that person should be kept out, regardless if that person is a Christian, Jew or Muslim. Now I fully expect that there are more potential Muslim terrorists than there are potential Jewish terrorists. That's fine, they should all be kept out.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 11:07 PM (uZNvH)
Herein lies your problem, I think.
"One of these things is not like the others, one of these things just doesn't belong . . ."
Islam is not JUST a "religion." It is a political-social-religious system, all wrapped up into one tightly wrapped package. It is what it is.
Now, SOME "Muslims" choose to IGNORE certain fundamental features of Islam, such as abrogation, although it's well known that the later, more "authoritative" verses of the Koran are far, far, FAR more strident, militant, and intolerant than the earlier verses.
But that does not mean that Islam, as a "religion," is in any conceivable way compatible with American classical liberal democratic republicanism.
It is not.
ISLAM IS DIFFERENT than any other religion on Earth. You really need to understand that. I'm starting to get the feeling that you don't.
You can jury-rig pretty much all the other major world's religions to be compatible with classical-liberalism. You can't do that with Islam. It's specifically in the Koran that any change to the Koran's doctrines is not allowed. I don't think any other religion actually closed off the avenues to reformation in quite that same unequivocal manner.
That's why it's different. That's why somebody who calls themselves a Muslim MUST endure a level of scrutiny in order to be admitted to a classical-liberal society that somebody from another religion maybe might avoid.
Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 11:23 PM (s5o+q)
******
Concern status:
[X] Noted
Noob Lib.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 21, 2015 11:24 PM (YLidQ)
Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 11:24 PM (BTnAK)
Pintero: The end of the world.
Posted by: Robert Clayton Dean at December 21, 2015 11:26 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 11:27 PM (BTnAK)
Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 11:24 PM (BTnAK)[/i}
I had a rant left in the tank tonight. Better here than the ONT.
Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 11:28 PM (s5o+q)
Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 11:28 PM (s5o+q)
Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 11:29 PM (BTnAK)
Posted by: dtih at December 21, 2015 11:49 PM (Nc/I5)
How come gay marriage and women in combat are never "recruiting tools"?
Leave aside the fact.that Gitmo doesn't cause terrorists, terrorists cause Gitmo. And forget that $150 Billion to Iran is a pretty great terrorist recruiting tool. And never mind that a dead terrorist can't recruit anybody.
Maybe Democrats should ask themselves why they like the same policies as the terrorists.
Posted by: The Wolf Who Cried Boy at December 22, 2015 08:24 PM (BfPSD)
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