Hillary: No I Won't Apologize For Or Retract My Newest Completely Fabricated Lie About Terrorism Being Inspired by YouTube Vidoes

She says ISIS is playing Donald Trump videos to recruit terrorists, which sounds an awful lot like her previous infamous lie about a YouTube video inspiring a spontaneous demonstration in Benghazi.

There's no evidence for this lie -- just like there was no evidence for the last one. Just political convenience.

And yes, just like last time, she's not only not sorry, she's indignant you'd even ask about that.

This confirms the Democrats -- Obama, Hillary, ValJar, all of them -- really do believe that terrorists only attack us because we cross progressives' red lines of good PC Taste.

Or, as AllahPundit puts it:

There's a distinct odor of unimaginative bourgeois left-media consensus around the freakout over Trump as a supposed recruiting tool for ISIS, as if ISIS is some partisan oppo research outfit that can’t ethically invent things whole cloth but will twist an actual fact to their advantage-- and look, Trump handed them an actual fact! The actual thought process here, I think, goes something like this: Cartoonish right-wing populism is the worst thing they can imagine in their own personal Overton window of American politics, therefore any cartoonish right-wing populist proposal must necessarily be enabling ISIS, the world’s worst, most dangerous group of people. It may not actually be true, and it might make no sense when you think about it for five minutes, but this is Larger Truth material if ever there was any.

It's also a demonstration of the progressive conviction that terrorism is actually the fault of its Western victims -- as Michael Moore said of 9/11, why did those terrorists kill the nice people of NYC, when it was really the people of the heartland who were the justifiable targets?

In the minds of some progressives, terrorists' main failing is their inability to distinguish worthy American targets from forbidden ones. I suppose that's why they spend so much time signalling that they're among the Good, Polite, Deferential People who will sign up for sharia and even convert to Islam if that turns out to be Just What ISIS (Really) Wants.

Posted by: Ace at 08:47 PM




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1 Not first

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 08:49 PM (voOPb)

2 It's because y'all hate homos!

Posted by: Freddy Mercury at December 21, 2015 08:49 PM (k9qR4)

3 So, we supposed to vote for Hillery because she has the ISIS endorsement?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 21, 2015 08:49 PM (T78UI)

4 Wow, first, and I read the post too!

Posted by: JarvisW at December 21, 2015 08:49 PM (3+E+K)

5 Ok I am

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 08:49 PM (voOPb)

6 There is no truth. There is only truthy.

Posted by: huerfano at December 21, 2015 08:50 PM (NSb9d)

7 Not so fast Jarvis

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 08:50 PM (voOPb)

8 K, fine, I would have been if I didnt check twice lol

Posted by: JarvisW at December 21, 2015 08:50 PM (3+E+K)

9 Have you learned to shut yer hole yet, grandma?

Posted by: Chelsea's new baby fetus clump of cells at December 21, 2015 08:50 PM (H9MG5)

10 I mean, it's obvious! they toss homos from buildings to demonstrate that non-New Yorkers are teh real problem, what with all their intolerance and such.

Posted by: Freddy Mercury at December 21, 2015 08:50 PM (k9qR4)

11 I'm going to stop saying progressive and start saying projective instead.

Posted by: Roy at December 21, 2015 08:52 PM (fWLrt)

12 She'll say whatever she wants and no one will stop her. I can't believe she is even in the race. What a nightmare, again.

Posted by: washrivergal at December 21, 2015 08:53 PM (CFc5L)

13 She is going for the "doesn't trust the Internet" demographic.

Posted by: fluffy at December 21, 2015 08:54 PM (AfsKp)

14 Gee, Hillary is lying?
I am shocked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 08:54 PM (uZNvH)

15 Its not a lie if everyone believes its true.

Posted by: Sanfranpsycho at December 21, 2015 08:55 PM (Vv/Pc)

16 >>>wants and no one will stop her. I can't believe she is even in the race. What a nightmare, again.
Posted by: washrivergal at December 21, 2015 08:53 PM (CFc5L)

I am continually amazed that she is taken seriously as a candidate. No one seems to care that she is awful.

Posted by: Lea at December 21, 2015 08:55 PM (aUjAM)

17 I wish I could make up shit on the fly at work like this bitch. She is held to no standards is she?.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 08:56 PM (voOPb)

18 Is it too much hope that, during the debates in the general, Hillary has an accident and pisses her pantsuit right up there on stage.

Ever noticed how bulky her outfits look? I'm betting they've got her fitted with some heavy duty Depends to guard against such an event.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 21, 2015 08:56 PM (dvuhZ)

19 I am continually amazed that she is taken seriously as a candidate. No one seems to care that she is awful.
Posted by: Lea at December 21, 2015 08:55 PM (aUjAM)


You and me both babe

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2015 08:57 PM (DUoqb)

20 One of the main tenets of modern Liberalism is complete hatred of America.

Once you factor that in, everything they say makes sense.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 21, 2015 08:57 PM (B8JRQ)

21 O/T

I got to see the whole SpaceX launch and landing live.

Yet another reason to love Casa Backwardio.

As a child of the Space Age, I can say it was the most awesome thing I've ever seen in my life.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 21, 2015 08:58 PM (LUgeY)

22 I look at hillary and I see a stupid fat obnoxious spoiled self indulged asshole and i want to puke

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 21, 2015 08:58 PM (DUoqb)

23 @18 bulky outfit? That was a brown tarp Saturday nite

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 08:59 PM (voOPb)

24 Why back down, she'll never get called on it by the lapdog media?

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 08:59 PM (ftVQq)

25 Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

Posted by: Cacklin' Cankles at December 21, 2015 08:59 PM (AfsKp)

26 Where does she buy those communist smocks

Posted by: The Jackhole at December 21, 2015 09:00 PM (dULJN)

27 No one seems to care that she is awful morally and politically corrupt, and probably a felon.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2015 09:00 PM (9mTYi)

28 Ace ... you're right, yet wrong. On multiple levels.

Right that people read your missives with bias based upon their Tribal Identity. Wrong that shit's falling apart because of the foolishness of Tribal Identity.

Right that I'm Calling You Out ... but Wrong Because You Shouldn't Be Called Out.

People are Lining Up. Self Sorting.

Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:00 PM (qmMG2)

29 We fully support Hillary Clinton's campaign.

Posted by: Depends at December 21, 2015 09:00 PM (uZNvH)

30 that old clam is not worth any more of my time than this. she is the spawn of satan.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 21, 2015 09:01 PM (ucDmr)

31 No one seems to care that she is awful morally and politically corrupt, and probably a felon.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2015 09:00 PM (9mTYi)

That's only true in a just universe!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:01 PM (ftVQq)

32 21
O/T



I got to see the whole SpaceX launch and landing live.


I had to settle for a replay on YouTube.

Still totally awesome.

Posted by: Anachronda at December 21, 2015 09:01 PM (o78gS)

33 For a peaceful, religious people, mohammedans sure can radicalize and become dangerous over the most tiniest of things.

Good thing the Amish don't use computers or watch YouTube.... imagine the havoc they'd wreak!

Posted by: thanking our lucky stars at December 21, 2015 09:01 PM (H9MG5)

34 I can only hope that there are enough D's who won't support the "next-in-line" candidate

Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:02 PM (uZNvH)

35 Didn't Marie Osmond, during her fat days, actually piss herself up on stage during some Cruise performance with Donny. I think they were doing some stupid Donny and Marie nostalgia Cruise thingy.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 21, 2015 09:02 PM (dvuhZ)

36 Giggles aiding Iran means we'll eat a nuke in the next 25 years, I duspect they will engage in "Blue Heaven" urban renewal....

Here's hoping Mik'al Moor is in residence.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2015 09:02 PM (g8Hfr)

37 Hey, I spend a LOT of time reading the newspapers, if you know what I mean...

Posted by: Hillary! at December 21, 2015 09:03 PM (J3phO)

38 This thread a thing?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 09:03 PM (fqFkQ)

39 34 Chemjeff,

The GOP demands we lose, hence the threat of *untsman...

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2015 09:03 PM (g8Hfr)

40 I swear I am the new willow.

Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:05 PM (C3E0x)

41 Book of Mohammed opening on Broadway
Hysterical
No not really

Posted by: Ex Nyc Pissant peasant at December 21, 2015 09:05 PM (MN2VM)

42 Ace, doesn't a story in the sidebar say that it is her faithful hubby and Obama who are featured in Isis videos?

Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 09:05 PM (nIGPZ)

43 Hillary Clinton spokesman Seth Meyers has no comment.

Posted by: But so what at December 21, 2015 09:05 PM (7wyDO)

44 We fully support Hillary Clinton's campaign.
Posted by: Depends


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Posted by: t-bird at December 21, 2015 09:05 PM (J3phO)

45 Liberals in general ain't real big on apologizing. I mean, once you get started down that dark path, it could lead to all sorts of uncomfortable admissions.

Take Debbie Whatsher Shits, who sat there on air and denied she said what she said as they played the tape back of her saying it. An apology is an admission of wrong.

I gotta say Trump has this tendency as well.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 21, 2015 09:06 PM (gyKtp)

46 42 Chique testing testing,

Oui oui...

I live a half block from Evel Knievel's old estate.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2015 09:06 PM (g8Hfr)

47 The GOP demands we lose, hence the threat of *untsman...
Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2015 09:03 PM (g8Hfr)


Oh, I do so hope The Huntsman runs. Not just because he's got hot daughters, but because it would be the perfect ending to a perfectly fine country.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 21, 2015 09:06 PM (Dj0WE)

48 I tell you one thing, if Trump gets it, he will not be afraid to go after her with everything he's got. The rest of the GOPussies are scared to death to attack Dems in any way. Can't attack Barky, no that'll be racist. Can't attack Hillz, that's war on women.

Trump will not give a shit.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 21, 2015 09:07 PM (dvuhZ)

49 Saints making the Lions look like Super Bowl contenders so far.

Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:07 PM (C3E0x)

50 I gotta say Trump has this tendency as well.

And you gotta' be right.

When pushed - how far shall one go ?

Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:07 PM (qmMG2)

51 Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 21, 2015 09:02 PM (dvuhZ)

Or the Ferg from the Black I'd Peez? A somewhat famous (innernet-wise) pic.

And no, I'm not going to look it up, I'm already sick enough.

Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at December 21, 2015 09:07 PM (k9qR4)

52 We fully support Hillary Clinton's campaign.

Posted by: Depends



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Posted by: t-bird at December 21, 2015 09:05 PM (J3phO)

Special Limited Edition Debate Version available until November 2016.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:07 PM (ftVQq)

53 Sven, here is hoping that conservatism wins in 2016

Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:07 PM (uZNvH)

54 Sven, here is hoping that conservatism wins in 2016


Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:07 PM (uZNvH)

Here's to true conservatives, and true Scotsmen!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:09 PM (ftVQq)

55 I am continually amazed that she is taken seriously as a candidate. No one seems to care that she is awful.
Posted by: Lea at December 21, 2015 08:55 PM (aUjAM)

Yet some people I know are aghast that I would vote for Trump in the general instead of Hillary. (I am a Cruz chique but will vote for the disgusting earthworms that come out after it reasons if they were running against Hillary).

Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 09:09 PM (nIGPZ)

56 I keep hearing the argument that Trump helps ISIS recruitment but the a to b to c of the logic of this claim appears to be nonexistent.



a) Trump says we should not let muslims into the country until we can weed out the terrorists,


b) ?????????


c) muslims get extra explodey in a way that harms us directly


They hate us already and they might even hate us more if we don't let them in so they can kill us at their convenience but SO WHAT? It least they are somewhere far away hating us extra hard.


*editorial comment: this would be in my opinion forever but lets assume
for the sake of argument that the government is able to get its shit together on this point

Posted by: redbanzai at December 21, 2015 09:10 PM (NPofj)

57 Obama and Hillary have been blaming Republicans, such as Trump and GOP governors who don't want Syrian refugees, as battlefield prep: they're establishing the narrative of who to blame when the next jihadi attacks happen.

This is no different than blaming Palin for the AZ shooting. The narrative for domestic terrorism is, by default, that it's a white, conservative tea party dude until proven otherwise --- even though there has not been a single case of this happening.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 21, 2015 09:10 PM (NOIQH)

58 53 chemjeff,

Amen or at a minimum reform...

Of course the DC gop has made up its mind to show its belly the next 13 months.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2015 09:10 PM (g8Hfr)

59 Here's to true conservatives, and true Scotsmen!
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:09 PM (ftVQq)


This is gonna be the best election evar!

Posted by: BurtTC at December 21, 2015 09:10 PM (Dj0WE)

60 "Conservatism". "Conservatism". Humbug, I say. And bah.

At this point I don't care much about whether some world leader or politician successfully jumps through "conservative" hoops. I care about whether I can find a country on this planet where the leaders will accept me and accept those who wish me well, and deny entry to those who wish me harm.

How much am I willing to pay in taxes to live in such a nation? Well, on that much, we can negotiate. It's not infinite. But it's also not zero.

The value I set on being perceived as properly "conservative" is also not infinite. That value for me is approaching zero, relatively.

I want a future for the West, protection from evil, and neighbours who think in roughly the same terms I think.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 21, 2015 09:10 PM (6FqZa)

61 Here's to true conservatives, and true Scotsmen!

What about the Irish-AmericanIndian-Scotts-Germans ?

Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:11 PM (qmMG2)

62 However...

...Hillary Clinton falsely claimed that Donald Trump is being used in ISIS recruitment videos.... There is an ISIS recruitment video which features a prominent American politician... "fornicator" Bill Clinton.... Obama and Kerry also were shown in the video - NOT Trump....

Hoft, Gateway Pundit
http://bit.ly/1U13PPH

Posted by: mindful webworker - Cruz/Bridenstein 2016 at December 21, 2015 09:11 PM (ACs58)

63 I think that the only reason Hillary! is a viable candidate is because (a) her husband and (b) there are lots of D's who utterly hate R's and will never vote for them no matter what, so they will vote for the "most electable" D regardless if she is a corrupt lying hag or not

Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:11 PM (uZNvH)

64 I bet the ISIS demons are also upset that Obama and Hills keep insisting they aren't Islamic.

Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 09:12 PM (nIGPZ)

65
O/T



I got to see the whole SpaceX launch and landing live.



Yet another reason to love Casa Backwardio.



As a child of the Space Age, I can say it was the most awesome thing I've ever seen in my life.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 21, 2015 08:58 PM (LUgeY)








Just dragged my two nephews to watch. After watching me whoop it up after the first stage landing, they're convinced I'm a doofus.

Screw it. That's history you just saw, kids.

Posted by: Zombie Arthur Ashe at December 21, 2015 09:12 PM (OMTVG)

66 Here's to true conservatives, and true Scotsmen!
Posted by: Hrothgar
----------------

I am NOT gonna wear a kilt dammit.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2015 09:12 PM (9mTYi)

67 I am NOT gonna wear a kilt dammit.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
-------------

Let me add, I am doing you all a favor.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2015 09:12 PM (9mTYi)

68 Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 21, 2015 09:10 PM (6FqZa)

If we give up on conservatism then what do we have left? Rudderless populism

Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:13 PM (uZNvH)

69 What about the Irish-AmericanIndian-Scotts-Germans ?


Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:11 PM (qmMG2)

You lost me at Irish!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:13 PM (ftVQq)

70 60 boulder toilet hobo,

"Good luck"

Hard to cut that deal, given every western leader not named "Putin"'s willingness to sell our birthright.

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2015 09:13 PM (g8Hfr)

71 Nowhere else but Mosselprom !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (rock salt and fire-hook at the ready !) at December 21, 2015 09:13 PM (erRNA)

72 Here's to true conservatives, and true Scotsmen!

Nicely done.

Posted by: t-bird at December 21, 2015 09:14 PM (J3phO)

73 Hopefully a 50 stare loss will shut her up for good.

Posted by: Beth M at December 21, 2015 09:14 PM (kiy9d)

74 Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 21, 2015 09:10 PM (6FqZa)

There is nothing inconsistent between conservatism and national security

The only potential problem arises when we apply religious tests as a substitute for national security screening

Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:14 PM (uZNvH)

75 I want a future for the West, protection from evil, and neighbours who think in roughly the same terms I think.

And congrats Barry. In your attempt to slow boil the frog - the frog said fuck this.

Spoiler Alert - the frog is well armed.

Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:15 PM (qmMG2)

76 Here's to true conservatives, and true Scotsmen!

there are more "true Scotsmen" than there are conservatives named Trump

Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:15 PM (uZNvH)

77 ...it's also racist / classist / whatever you want to call it to think that the people in ISIS are so stupid and so misguided that American Progressives, who know nothing about ISIS' religion, way of life, or anything else know their motivations better then they themselves do.

They yell at the top of their lungs what inspires them, but the left says "no, no, you stupid heathens, we know you're really upset about the lack of jobs and Republican Presidential candidates, and you're not inspired by your silly skygod. You just cling to your guns and religion like those silly rednecks in Pennsylvania. Truly, the root cause here is George Bush and his cowboy ways."

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 21, 2015 09:15 PM (AkOaV)

78
Ack. Off me, stinky tennis sock.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 21, 2015 09:15 PM (OMTVG)

79 This is gonna be the best election evar!

Posted by: BurtTC at December 21, 2015 09:10 PM (Dj0WE)

It would be best to assume that we have until 1/20/17 to acquire whatever weapons and ammo we feel we need for a lifetime to defend ourselves and/or wage insurrection.

Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:15 PM (C3E0x)

80 The only potential problem arises when we apply religious tests as a substitute for national security screening


Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:14 PM (uZNvH)

Gimme that old time religion it was good enough for mohammed and it's good enough for me doesn't cut it with me, my friend.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:16 PM (ftVQq)

81 Hopefully a 50 stare loss will shut her up for good.
Posted by: Beth M


I'm not going to stare at her. I might turn to stone.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 21, 2015 09:17 PM (FkBIv)

82
It would be best to assume that we have until
1/20/17 to acquire whatever weapons and ammo we feel we need for a
lifetime to defend ourselves and/or wage insurrection.

Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:15 PM (C3E0x)

yeah I think I am going to be spending 2016 getting myself trained on how to use a handgun

Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:17 PM (uZNvH)

83 Also pretty sure ISIS isn't cool with rampant promiscuity and gay marriage. If we're going to talk a out what makes ISIS act out, progs.

Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 09:17 PM (OkKDg)

84 #3 A woman who drinks and beats her husband is the perfect ISIS woman, indeed.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at December 21, 2015 09:17 PM (Kucy5)

85 Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:15 PM (C3E0x)
yeah I think I am going to be spending 2016 getting myself trained on how to use a handgun


Posted by: chemjeff
****

Or a crossbow?

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 09:17 PM (hVdx9)

86 If we give up on conservatism then what do we have left? Rudderless populism.

At the point that I'm expected to obey my betters, no matter what, I'd call that rudderless government.

At that point - yeah, give me populism.

Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:17 PM (qmMG2)

87 Darn Pixy has changed the formatting rules again!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:17 PM (ftVQq)

88 What about the Irish-AmericanIndian-Scotts-Germans ?


Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:11 PM (qmMG2)

You lost me at Irish!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:13 PM (ftVQq)


I sorta blacked out after the word "what" and just made up something that sounds like somehting I'd like.

Dude! Sweet!

Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at December 21, 2015 09:17 PM (k9qR4)

89 Its like Global Warming...

We suddenly have to prove its NOT happening...

And its impossible to prove a negative...

So if even ONE Asshole in the Mideast cites Trump for any reason... they will then say this is a valid attack...

Posted by: BB Wolf at December 21, 2015 09:18 PM (f7rv6)

90 It would be best to assume that we have until 1/20/17 to acquire whatever weapons and ammo we feel we need for a lifetime to defend ourselves and/or wage insurrection.
Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:15 PM (C3E0x)


Seriously, I believe if the Democrats insist on trucking Hilery out there, it's because they expect to lose.


No, I fear we are going to get a Gope in the White House. Most likely Ruby Oh! at this point.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 21, 2015 09:18 PM (Dj0WE)

91 Maybe we just need a jazzy slogan to bring the left around when it comes to ISIS.

Save the clitoris?

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 09:19 PM (hVdx9)

92 At that point - yeah, give me populism.


Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:17 PM (qmMG2)

I couldn't agree more.

Posted by: Robespierre at December 21, 2015 09:19 PM (uZNvH)

93 86 If we give up on conservatism then what do we have left? Rudderless populism.

At the point that I'm expected to obey my betters, no matter what, I'd call that rudderless government.

At that point - yeah, give me populism.


Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:17 PM (qmMG2)


Yes... /sniff..

You Continentals really should Listen to your betters...

Posted by: King George at December 21, 2015 09:19 PM (f7rv6)

94 Chemjeff lets leave the muzzie luv at the door

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 09:19 PM (voOPb)

95 You know, this strategy is reflective of Liberals assuming that everyone responds the same way to potential terrorism. A vast majority of Liberals are wetting their pants in private over the possibilities. Conservatives, for the most part, are absolutely pissed off about the potential for terrorism on our soil.

This explains why Hillary thinks it would hurt Trump to suggest he is a recruitment tool. Most conservatives I associate with would look at this as a feather in his cap.

Posted by: OrsonSnow at December 21, 2015 09:19 PM (kwDMG)

96 I mean -- how absurd is it when you think about it?

Obama (who is NOT A MUSLIM as the media loves to remind us) knows more about Islam than Islamic scholar al Baghdadi, and the mujaheddin fighting a religious war in the ME.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 21, 2015 09:20 PM (AkOaV)

97 "When did you stop beating your wife (or wives)?" doesn't work with muz politicians!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:20 PM (ftVQq)

98 "Also pretty sure ISIS isn't cool with rampant promiscuity and gay marriage."

The Islamic State does recognize gay marriages. They'll throw both parties off of the same tall building simultaneously.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 21, 2015 09:21 PM (noWW6)

99 I would rather spend the remaining years of my life doing nothing but watching parrot videos on YouTube than waste another second on Hellary.

Mind you I just spent the last 15 minutes of my life watching parrot videos. So maybe that wouldn't be that awful.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at December 21, 2015 09:21 PM (m9V0o)

100 You know what else pisses us off...

... those late night commercials with Sarah McLachlan singing with the video of sad dogs needing help.

We really don't like dogs. And sad Sarah McLachlan music.

For this, too, we keeeeeeeeeeeeel you.

Posted by: IS IS baby at December 21, 2015 09:21 PM (H9MG5)

101 yeah I think I am going to be spending 2016 getting myself trained on how to use a handgun


Posted by: chemjeff

That's where my extra time and money is going.

Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:21 PM (C3E0x)

102 Darn Pixy has changed the formatting rules again!

One of the hamsters farted.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 21, 2015 09:22 PM (LUgeY)

103 Yup they project their values on to terrorism too

Posted by: joe44 at December 21, 2015 09:22 PM (BKIis)

104 Am I the only one that finds it a tad strange the radical Islamists ALL "misinterpret" the Koran the same way? Funny that.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 09:23 PM (hVdx9)

105 And remember Japanese bombed pearl harbor because they knew we'd intern US Japanese

Posted by: joe44 at December 21, 2015 09:23 PM (BKIis)

106 The more that "they" (r & d alike) think "oboy, we got him this time !", the more points Trump rises in the polling a week later.

Funny how that works, innit ?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (rock salt and fire-hook at the ready !) at December 21, 2015 09:23 PM (erRNA)

107 Doesn't Michael Moore live in the heartland? Or at least have a house there somewhere?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 21, 2015 09:23 PM (FkBIv)

108 "No, I fear we are going to get a Gope in the White House. Most likely Ruby Oh! at this point."

If Woobie-O can't even carry his own home state (where he's currently a distant third), stick a fork in him, he's done.

The Gore Effect.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 21, 2015 09:23 PM (noWW6)

109 All Trump has to do is keep calling Hildabeast a liar. The woman cannot tell the truth about anything. Like Reagan did to Carter with the "there you go again" line. Every time Hildabeast says anything, brand it a lie, which it is, and she can't help herself. Do it over and over and over until she cracks.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 21, 2015 09:23 PM (ej1L0)

110 Bertram. 50 state. Typo on damn phone. And yes turn to stone is likely.

Posted by: Beth M at December 21, 2015 09:23 PM (kiy9d)

111 I can't think of a greater recruitment tool for ISIS than you not letting me do that thing in your mouth.

Posted by: gewa76 at December 21, 2015 09:23 PM (9MbCY)

112 Seriously, I believe if the Democrats insist on trucking Hilery out there, it's because they expect to lose.

Clintons don't play to lose. They play to destroy.

Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:23 PM (C3E0x)

113 Cheryl Crow will fit in under sharia law. She will enjoy wiping her ass with her left hand not much different than 1 square of ass wipe

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 09:24 PM (voOPb)

114 Posted by: IS IS baby at December 21, 2015 09:21 PM (H9MG5)

Two things:

Any "religion" that hates dogs cannot be good for mankind!

Any politician that eats dog and admits it should never be elected to any office in the US.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:24 PM (ftVQq)

115 104 Am I the only one that finds it a tad strange the radical Islamists ALL "misinterpret" the Koran the same way? Funny that.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 09:23 PM (hVdx9)


Yeah.... who knew their Reading programs in school were so good....

Posted by: BB Wolf at December 21, 2015 09:24 PM (f7rv6)

116 My theory onhillarys popularity is that during the Clinton era, they came up with this idea, based mostly on southern prejudice and reinforced by the media, the Hilary was the smart one. This is laughably false, but they can't give it up.

Admittedly this doesn't explain her support here in Arkansas, although the connection to the state alone might be enough. Of course, I have actually heard more support for Bernie than her here even.

Posted by: Lea at December 21, 2015 09:24 PM (aUjAM)

117 Dang Ace. You sound a tad cynical and bitter there
(me too)

Posted by: maddogg at December 21, 2015 09:24 PM (rgIC0)

118 Clit Lives Matter! I hope the female jihadis (jihos?) at least get their clits back in the afterlife. I saw where some Muzz Iman or something was quoted as saying, translated, that their reward was a "penis that never bends". Well, what good is that without a clit?

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 21, 2015 09:24 PM (dvuhZ)

119 In the minds of some progressives, terrorists' main failing is their
inability to distinguish worthy American targets from forbidden ones. I
suppose that's why they spend so much time signalling that they're among
the Good, Polite, Deferential People who will sign up for sharia and
even convert to Islam if that turns out to be Just What ISIS (Really)
Wants.


What they think: They aren't messaging clearly enough.
What they refuse to learn: Absolutely everyone is sick of their shit.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at December 21, 2015 09:25 PM (m9V0o)

120 Okay.

I don't "love" muzzies.

I think it's a rather despicable religion. It is not one that I would ever want to subscribe to or recommend to anyone. It is medieval and brutal and terrible.

But Muslims are also individuals. The libertarian in me says that even Muslims are individual human beings who ought to be treated with a modicum of respect, not spat upon at every turn. That is all.

I don't like pedophiles or serial killers either, that doesn't mean I think they should be tortured or murdered.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:25 PM (uZNvH)

121 And when this evil demon rules over us, the book of Revelation will start to make sense.

Posted by: Eromero at December 21, 2015 09:25 PM (b+df9)

122 I'm trying to think up something about the loathsome piece of human debris known as Hillary Clinton that has not already been said . . .

Or, for that matter, the loathsome collection of human debris known as Democrat Party voters who actually think that voting for liars, thieves, thugs, and "activists" is a good idea.

"Loathsome" is a good word. Let us meditate upon "loathsome."

Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 09:25 PM (s5o+q)

123 That's where my extra time and money is going.

Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:21 PM (C3E0x)

Dollar cost averaging!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:25 PM (ftVQq)

124 Funny i thought they were recruited by mainstream imams

Posted by: joe44 at December 21, 2015 09:26 PM (BKIis)

125 If Woobie-O can't even carry his own home state (where he's currently a distant third), stick a fork in him, he's done.

The Gore Effect.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 21, 2015 09:23 PM (noWW6)


Perhaps. But somebody's got to win this thing, and they all look like losers. It'll be a race to who loses the least.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 21, 2015 09:26 PM (Dj0WE)

126 No I do think Clinton thinks she can win, but only by running a scorched earth campaign of absolute hate.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:26 PM (uZNvH)

127 Here is tonight's full SpaceX webcast. If you missed it, you missed out. They made history tonight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5bTbVbe4e4

Watch the whole thing. You will not be sorry.

Posted by: rickl at December 21, 2015 09:26 PM (sdi6R)

128 Posted by: Lea at December 21, 2015 09:24 PM (aUjAM)


Dang Lea. Lotsa good people here in Hogland. No need to hang with idiots.

Posted by: maddogg at December 21, 2015 09:26 PM (rgIC0)

129 >>>Any politician that eats dog and admits it should never be elected to any office in the US.


Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:24 PM (ftVQq)<<<

To be fair. None of us read his shitty book.

Posted by: the 52% at December 21, 2015 09:26 PM (H9MG5)

130 Dogs
Longbow
1911
870
Mary Anne
- just reaffirming the basic truths of the universe.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (rock salt and fire-hook at the ready !) at December 21, 2015 09:27 PM (erRNA)

131 I don't like pedophiles or serial killers either, that doesn't mean I think they should be tortured or murdered.


Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:25 PM (uZNvH)

Oh man, I just do not want to go there with you!

Have a nice night!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:27 PM (ftVQq)

132 But Muslims are also individuals. The libertarian in me says that even Muslims are individual human beings who ought to be treated with a modicum of respect, not spat upon at every turn. That is all.

I don't like pedophiles or serial killers either, that doesn't mean I think they should be tortured or murdered.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:25 PM (uZNvH)


"Islam" is, quite literally, the Arabic word for "submission."

To be a Muslim is to subsume your own individuality to the crazed imaginings of an Eighth-century lunatic.

Islam is the antithesis of libertarianism. It is submission.

Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 09:27 PM (s5o+q)

133 It must be great to be a Democrat knowing you can say or do anything and never be called to account.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 21, 2015 09:28 PM (hJrjt)

134 I don't like pedophiles or serial killers either, that doesn't mean I think they should be tortured or murdered.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:25 PM (uZNvH)


Uh, I hate to break it to you, but you can't exactly "murder" a serial killer. Similarly with a paedo. That's just a violation of the language, dude.

Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at December 21, 2015 09:28 PM (k9qR4)

135 No I do think Clinton thinks she can win, but only by running a scorched earth campaign of absolute hate.


Posted by: chemjeff
****

That is the only "mode" she has.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 09:28 PM (hVdx9)

136 I don't like pedophiles or serial killers either, that doesn't mean I think they should be tortured or murdered.

Sorry ... it's a Time For Choosing. Your choice is noted.

I'm sure an intelligent, nuanced defense of Japanese Imperialism wasn't much cared about after Pearl Harbor either.

Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:28 PM (qmMG2)

137 And when this evil demon rules over us, the book of Revelation will start to make sense.
Posted by: Eromero
----------------

Revelation 20:4
"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2015 09:29 PM (9mTYi)

138
Uh, I hate to break it to you, but you can't
exactly "murder" a serial killer. Similarly with a paedo. That's just a
violation of the language, dude.

Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at December 21, 2015 09:28 PM (k9qR4)

Yeah you can, anyone can be murdered even serial killers or pedophiles

Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:29 PM (uZNvH)

139 I didn't say spit upon them chemjeff. I said leave your love/position at the door. We've been down this road with you before. And I kept pretty quiet about it.

You don't like trump. Fine.
But his immigration position makes sense
The muzzies don't want to be American
They want to transform America into a sharia country
I've had enough fucking transformation to last a lifetime

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 09:30 PM (voOPb)

140 Watch the whole thing. You will not be sorry.

Posted by: rickl at December 21, 2015 09:26 PM (sdi6R)

Yes, fantastic piece of multidisciplinary engineering. Strangely enough NOT done with the assistance of the multicultural muz outreach program in NASA.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:30 PM (ftVQq)

141 But Muslims are also individuals. The libertarian in me says that even Muslims are individual human beings who ought to be treated with a modicum of respect, not spat upon at every turn. That is all.

I don't like pedophiles or serial killers either, that doesn't mean I think they should be tortured or murdered.


Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:25 PM (uZNvH)


Libertarianism only works if people DO pay the personal consequences for their actions...

With freedom must come responsibility.

Now... we DO have Freedom of Religion here in the US.... thus Moslems CHOOSE to follow a murderous religion.... it is a CHOICE...

But in your worldview... we are not supposed to take into account, the View they CHOOSE to follow, and publically DECLARE.

Posted by: BB Wolf at December 21, 2015 09:30 PM (f7rv6)

142 . . . oops, Seventh century lunatic, not Eighth century lunatic . . .

Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 09:30 PM (s5o+q)

143 As I posted earlier today, ISIS is using a recruiting video starring Bill Clinton indicting him as a fornicator. The video also rails against Obama and Kerry.

I think she's doing what the Clintons always do--put a false narrative out there on a topic that damages them so that when people say there's a video using BJ, Bobo, and Horseface, people won't believe it.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at December 21, 2015 09:30 PM (kXoT0)

144 What would happen if one day Hillary let a truth slip out--kind of like a loud fart during a debate?
Would anyone believe her one truth?
How could people tell it was the truth?

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 21, 2015 09:30 PM (hJrjt)

145 101 yeah I think I am going to be spending 2016 getting myself trained on how to use a handgun


Posted by: chemjeff

That's where my extra time and money is going.
Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:21 PM (C3E0x)
***
Longarms, baby. Comes the day, longarms....

Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine at December 21, 2015 09:31 PM (lutOX)

146 Murder is a willful and unjustified killing. Paedos and serial killers can't be murdered, QED.

Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at December 21, 2015 09:31 PM (k9qR4)

147 I'm sure an intelligent, nuanced defense of Japanese Imperialism wasn't much cared about after Pearl Harbor either.


Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:28 PM (qmMG2)

But this is the thing, I'm not defending "Japanese Imperialism", or in this case "Islamist terrorism", I am attempting to respect the dignity of individual human beings who have nothing to do with terrorism at all.
This doesn't mean they have a right to enter the US, they don't.
This doesn't mean their religion is equivalent to Christianity, it isn't. Their religion is much worse.

It only means that they are human beings with some minimum human dignity. That is all.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:31 PM (uZNvH)

148 Computers, people....everybody's just getting in line today.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 09:31 PM (fqFkQ)

149 Yeah you can, anyone can be murdered even serial killers or pedophiles


Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:29 PM (uZNvH)

True dat, but a civilized society executes them!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:32 PM (ftVQq)

150 Strangely enough NOT done with the assistance of the multicultural muz outreach program in NASA.
Posted by: Hrothgar
----------------

Bullshit, infidel. You can see my clock running in the video.

Posted by: Ahmed at December 21, 2015 09:32 PM (9mTYi)

151 Snoodling, murder is a killing that is not sanctioned by law. Killing a pedophile in a manner not sanctioned by law would be murder, no matter how much the pedophile deserved it in a cosmic sense.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:32 PM (uZNvH)

152 A woman who drinks and beats her husband is the perfect ISIS woman, indeed.


Posted by: Richard McEnroe at December 21, 2015 09:17 PM (Kucy5)

Well, Hillery is pretty much saying that she is acceptable to ISIS but Trump is not. If she is claiming endorsement, let her.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 21, 2015 09:33 PM (T78UI)

153 In other news, Chelz is knocked up again. A miracle birth since he seems to loathe her and is never in the same zip code. Fertility Clinics to the rescue.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at December 21, 2015 09:33 PM (kXoT0)

154 107 Doesn't Michael Moore live in the heartland? Or at least have a house there somewhere?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 21, 2015 09:23 PM (FkBIv)

I believe Mr. Blue Collar Hero has a huge gazillion room mansion in the UP - he probably has a fridge stocked with ice cream in every room - but he's not there much. He mainly lives in NYC

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at December 21, 2015 09:33 PM (P8951)

155 "I'm sure an intelligent, nuanced defense of Japanese Imperialism wasn't much cared about after Pearl Harbor either.

Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:28 PM"

Yeah. Gotta say it, that's about where I'm at these days.

As I have said frequently here and elsewhere"

The aggressor sets the rules of engagement.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (rock salt and fire-hook at the ready !) at December 21, 2015 09:33 PM (erRNA)

156 Posted by: Ahmed at December 21, 2015 09:32 PM (9mTYi)

Well played clockboy!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:33 PM (ftVQq)

157 Libertarianism only works if people have 1) a common sense of values and morality that allows them to resolve the innumerable small frictions of human interaction without resorting to government intervention and 2) said source of values and morality is such that allows for individual liberty.

Modern America has not the first, and Islam provides not the second.

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 21, 2015 09:34 PM (bZ7mE)

158 I like to see a RBF contest between Michael Moore and the Mooch.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2015 09:34 PM (9mTYi)

159 The aggressor sets the rules of engagement.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (rock salt and fire-hook at the ready !) at December 21, 2015 09:33 PM (erRNA)

Sadly, I think the next phrase is something like "The loser accepts them!"

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:34 PM (ftVQq)

160 But Muslims are also individuals. The libertarian in me says that even Muslims are individual human beings who ought to be treated with a modicum of respect, not spat upon at every turn. That is all.

I don't like pedophiles or serial killers either, that doesn't mean I think they should be tortured or murdered.


Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:25 PM (uZNvH)

Show me the people spitting on Muslims. I'll wait.

Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:34 PM (C3E0x)

161 It only means that they are human beings with some minimum human dignity. That is all.

Nope ... you are fucking wrong.

Sometimes their are groups of human beings who wish, collectively, to kill others. We are in the midst of one of those moments.

Your wish to argue to the alternative. Hence, fuck you. Because you are a friend of my enemy.

Fuck your position. Because your position enables my enemies ... who, by definition, wish to kill me.

Sometimes political positions are not to be respected and enabled. Like yours.

Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:35 PM (qmMG2)

162 Snoodling, murder is a killing that is not sanctioned by law. Killing a pedophile in a manner not sanctioned by law would be murder, no matter how much the pedophile deserved it in a cosmic sense.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:32 PM (uZNvH)


That's a tautological definition based on a self-serving rationalization. I hope that works out well for you and your loved ones in the long term.

Cheers.

Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at December 21, 2015 09:35 PM (k9qR4)

163 >>In other news, Chelz is knocked up again. A miracle birth since he seems to loathe her and is never in the same zip code.

I'm always available.

Posted by: Turk E Baster at December 21, 2015 09:36 PM (c7vUv)

164 160 Blano,

Well "metaphorical spittle"


Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2015 09:36 PM (g8Hfr)

165 158 I like to see a RBF contest between Michael Moore and the Mooch.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2015 09:34 PM (9mTYi)

Is that anything like sumo wrestling because the thought of Michael Moore and the Mooch in loin cloths is disturbing.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 21, 2015 09:36 PM (hJrjt)

166 Chemjeff, I also suggest you learn how to use a rifle.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 09:36 PM (hVdx9)

167 rickl, when I saw them stick the landing I jumped and hollered. My wife thought that I had lost my mind. Stayed with the webcast through the satellite deployment. SpaceX made history tonight, and I got to see it. How awesome is that?

Posted by: Old Blue at December 21, 2015 09:36 PM (9iR5/)

168 142: May be a no century lunatic. Outside of their holy screeds, I don't think there is much independent evidence of Mohammad's existence. There may have been a lunatic, or several lunatics running around conquering the damned place, but there's no real evidence of Mo other than their own screeds.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 21, 2015 09:36 PM (dvuhZ)

169 I'd say it's a toss-up on whether ISIS is the most dangerous group or progressives are the most dangerous.

For this country there's no doubt progressives are worse.

Posted by: Hank at December 21, 2015 09:36 PM (aUcgj)

170 In other news, Chelz is knocked up again. A miracle birth since he seems to loathe her and is never in the same zip code. Fertility Clinics to the rescue.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at December 21, 2015 09:33 PM (kXoT0

typical of a patriarchal society to expect that a husband and wife be seen together once in a while.

Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 09:37 PM (OkKDg)

171 The bitch that ran over those people in Vegas had this explanation --

Lakeisha Holloway, 24, told authorities she was stressed out after being chased by security guards from parking lots where she had been trying to sleep before the crash, according to a police report obtained on Monday.

h/t Daily Mail

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 21, 2015 09:37 PM (gyKtp)

172 Speaking of riffles

I want to get a new .22 riffle
Suggestions please

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 09:37 PM (voOPb)

173 What would happen if one day Hillary let a truth slip out--kind of like a loud fart during a debate?
Would anyone believe her one truth?
How could people tell it was the truth?



Yet another of the many benefits of being batshit crazy.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 21, 2015 09:37 PM (LUgeY)

174 >>>Show me the people spitting on Muslims. I'll wait.

Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:34 PM (C3E0x)<<<

I was there. I saw it. They got me too!!!

Posted by: John Lewis (D-Ipshit) at December 21, 2015 09:37 PM (H9MG5)

175 That's a tautological definition based on a self-serving rationalization. I hope that works out well for you and your loved ones in the long term.


I don't see the tautology, and you appear to be arguing for a Arab-style feud culture, whether you realize it or not.

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 21, 2015 09:37 PM (bZ7mE)

176 Chemjeff, I also suggest you learn how to use a rifle.



Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 09:36 PM (hVdx9)


Or, he could learn to drive a "Welcome Wagon" and help make his new neighbors comfortable in the US!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:38 PM (ftVQq)

177 I know people have commented off the record on Bobo's reek of ripe BO and cigarettes, Mooch even commented on it in an attempt to say--see we're normal couple, isn't it cute that I can complain how his stinky feet? Anybody ever heard a comment how the same for Hillary--anything padded like those pantsuits picks up and retains smells, as does unwashed hair, which is her trademark. She cannot be lily fresh. Some of the photos of her out and about as SoS looked like she needed a shower a few days before.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at December 21, 2015 09:38 PM (kXoT0)

178 161 Irony,

Whoa fella...CJ is a 'ron in good standing...just "gentler hearted" wrt Jihadi Jim's enablers than I'd prefer

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2015 09:38 PM (g8Hfr)

179 >>I believe Mr. Blue Collar Hero has a huge gazillion room mansion in the UP - he probably has a fridge stocked with ice cream in every room - but he's not there much. He mainly lives in NYC
Posted by: Donna&&&&V

Top of the lower peninsula. Near or on Torch Lake IIRC. I thought he received his mail at Old Country Buffett though.

Posted by: Aviator at December 21, 2015 09:39 PM (c7vUv)

180 If Muslims are so easy converted into totally not Muslim ISIS members because Donald Trump suggested not letting Muslims into the US, doesn't that prove Trump right that we shouldn't let these easily offended unhinged maniacs into the country?

Posted by: mugiwara at December 21, 2015 09:39 PM (9eF7E)

181 I believe Mr. Blue Collar Hero has a huge gazillion room mansion in the UP - he probably has a fridge stocked with ice cream in every room - but he's not there much. He mainly lives in NYC
Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege )


Then he shouldn't mind a band of squatters moving in while he is away.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 21, 2015 09:39 PM (FkBIv)

182 If Hillary says "I'm lying", that would be be on those contradictory things that blow up the spacetime continuum.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 21, 2015 09:39 PM (dvuhZ)

183 "I want to get a new .22 riffle

Suggestions please"


Savage.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 09:39 PM (fqFkQ)

184 160 Blano,

Well "metaphorical spittle"




Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2015 09:36 PM (g8Hfr)

Even metaphorically, where is all the backlash we keep hearing about? It ain't there. It's all a lie, as usual.

But I will say, how is it that Middle East Muzzies are all into jihad, but Muzzies in the US are all about peace? How does that work? And for the ones that come here, is it something in the water as they fly over the pond that makes them so allegedly peaceful?

Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:39 PM (C3E0x)

185 I'd say it's a toss-up on whether ISIS is the most dangerous group or progressives are the most dangerous.



For this country there's no doubt progressives are worse.
---
If you go by blood spilt, ISIS has another 50 million before they catch up.

Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2015 09:39 PM (ZbV+0)

186 May be a no century lunatic. Outside of their holy screeds, I don't think there is much independent evidence of Mohammad's existence. There may have been a lunatic, or several lunatics running around conquering the damned place, but there's no real evidence of Mo other than their own screeds.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 21, 2015 09:36 PM (dvuhZ)


Granted. The operative word being "lunatic," regardless of any other consideration.

Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 09:39 PM (s5o+q)

187 I'm always available.
Posted by: Turk E Baster at December 21, 2015 09:36 PM (c7vUv)

Mooch, Sasha, and Malia thank you.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at December 21, 2015 09:39 PM (kXoT0)

188 Show me the people spitting on Muslims. I'll wait.

Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:34 PM (C3E0x)

I see people here and elsewhere who presume that all Muslims are, if not outright terrorists, then one small step away from terrorism.
I can't abide by such assumptions. I would rather that each individual be judged by his/her own merits.
No one here would abide by the assumption that because they are, say, gun owners, that they are one small step away from mass murder. That would be offensive to them, and rightly so. I only ask that all individuals be judged on their own merits, that is all. That doesn't mean that each individual is blameless, they are not. There are plenty of Muslims who are bent on destroying Western values and they should be not only stopped from entering America but also killed in battle, IMO. But there are also plenty of Muslims who don't want anything to do with destroying America. I don't think they should be lumped in with the terrorists.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:40 PM (uZNvH)

189 "I want to get a new .22 riffle


Suggestions please"


You'll shoot your eye out, kid.

Posted by: Store Santa at December 21, 2015 09:40 PM (oVJmc)

190 Nah, I think it's more like "the loser thinks his rules of engagement are better because it shows he's a better person".

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (rock salt and fire-hook at the ready !) at December 21, 2015 09:40 PM (erRNA)

191 If, all that is holy, precious and sacred forbid, Hillary is elected president how long before the White House has that old lady smell?

And how long before that crazed old woman becomes the national cat lady? No offence to cat lovers.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 21, 2015 09:40 PM (hJrjt)

192 107 Doesn't Michael Moore live in the heartland? Or at least have a house there somewhere?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 21, 2015 09:23 PM (FkBIv)

No, LA. Well, at one point he had a house in Michigan somewhere when he was still pretending to be from the rough streets of Flint, MI. Not sure if he still owns a house there.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 21, 2015 09:40 PM (AkOaV)

193 I want to get a new .22 riffle
Suggestions please
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian
----------------
10/22 landslide imminent.

Run for your lives!

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2015 09:40 PM (9mTYi)

194 Top of the lower peninsula. Near or on Torch Lake IIRC.


Posted by: Aviator at December 21, 2015 09:39 PM (c7vUv)

That would explain Torch's occasional 6 foot waves.

Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:40 PM (C3E0x)

195 Whoa fella...CJ is a 'ron in good standing...just "gentler hearted" wrt Jihadi Jim's enablers than I'd prefer

Bullshit.

If my neighbor's "gentle heart" argues that we shouldn't drop a rabid dog, because of his "gentle heart" ?

Fuck that. There comes a time where he should pay for his own damned "gentle heart", without demanding I go along for the ride.

This is one of those times.

Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:41 PM (qmMG2)

196 The wicked truth is that Hillary, the drunken, incompetent stumblefuck of a wench, is Exactly What ISIS Really Wants(tm).

And the press knows it.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 21, 2015 09:41 PM (QWtgr)

197 Savage?

You have a model RK?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 09:41 PM (voOPb)

198 MURDER!

[ROBOTIC CACKLE]

MURDER!

[ROBOTIC CACKLE]

[SOUND OF RAPIDLY DRAINING VODKA BOTTLE]

Posted by: Hillary! and Her Rainbow Exoskeleton at December 21, 2015 09:41 PM (rUc9h)

199 And why would ISIS like Michael Moore? I'm sure he smells like a she goat in heat.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 21, 2015 09:42 PM (hJrjt)

200 Nah, I think it's more like "the loser thinks his rules of engagement are better because it shows he's a better person".

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (rock salt and fire-hook at the ready !) at December 21, 2015 09:40 PM (erRNA)

Certainly describes our current military RoE.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:42 PM (ftVQq)

201 But I will say, how is it that Middle East Muzzies are all into jihad, but Muzzies in the US are all about peace? How does that work? And for the ones that come here, is it something in the water as they fly over the pond that makes them so allegedly peaceful?
Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:39 PM (C3E0x)

Numbers. There are studies that point out when Muslims are less than 10% of the population, they are model citizens, as their numbers increase in a population, they get more militant, and at 50% plus they are tirelessly and less and less peacefully working to get a theocracy with Sharia law as the legal system.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at December 21, 2015 09:42 PM (kXoT0)

202 44 We fully support Hillary Clinton's campaign.
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Posted by: t-bird at December 21, 2015 09:05 PM (J3phO)

The Hillary Clinton 7-day Diaper Suit!

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 21, 2015 09:42 PM (kpqmD)

203 Or to put it another way: "how many wars have we won since we got a "department of defense" to replace a "war department" ?

Words. Have. Meanings.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (rock salt and fire-hook at the ready !) at December 21, 2015 09:42 PM (erRNA)

204 Vote Democrat!

ISIS finds us acceptable!

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at December 21, 2015 09:42 PM (oVJmc)

205
The amazing part is that it was hillary and obama's policies that created isis.

She is trying to blame that on anybody but her.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 21, 2015 09:42 PM (ODxAs)

206 There comes a time where he should pay for his own damned "gentle heart", without demanding I go along for the ride.

This is one of those times.
Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:41 PM (qmMG2)


Yay! Internet tough guy is here to tell us all how it's done.


Thanks, internet tough guy, where would we be without you.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 21, 2015 09:43 PM (Dj0WE)

207 171 The bitch that ran over those people in Vegas had this explanation --


I understand completely. Whenever I have insomnia, I get in my car and attempt to murder hundreds of people who have never harmed me in any way. It's just natural.

Posted by: Jack the Ripper at December 21, 2015 09:43 PM (VrdxH)

208 I want to get a new .22 riffle
Suggestions please
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian
----------------
10/22 landslide imminent.

Run for your lives!

Posted by: Mike Hammer
****

Yup. I am tossing the first stone- buy a 10/22!
More accessories than you can shake a stick at.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 09:43 PM (hVdx9)

209 Posted by: GnuBreed at December 21, 2015 09:37 PM (gyKtp)

Huh. Well, sure, I guess.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 21, 2015 09:43 PM (AkOaV)

210 183 "I want to get a new .22 riffle

Suggestions please"


Savage.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 09:39 PM (fqFkQ)

For wanting a .22? That's pretty harsh.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 21, 2015 09:43 PM (kpqmD)

211 People here keep forgetting that the people voting for Billary don't givaflyinfuk if she's a pathological liar. It's fine with them.

Posted by: Hank at December 21, 2015 09:44 PM (aUcgj)

212 If my neighbor's "gentle heart" argues that we shouldn't drop a rabid dog, because of his "gentle heart" ?
---
The proper course of action there is to shoot the dog and leave the corpse on your neighbor's doorstep with a note suggesting he say some nice things for it when he buries it.

Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2015 09:44 PM (ZbV+0)

213 For this country there's no doubt progressives are worse.
Posted by: Hank at December 21, 2015 09:36 PM (aUcgj)

ISIS is, in fact, the JV team when compared to the Nazis, the Imperial Japanese and the Soviets. If America still held the values it did 70 years ago, if all Americans still believed in their country,we'd beat ISIS easily. But the progressives have so divided and undermined the moral fiber of this country that the Dems can not even call Islamic terrorism by its' right name, much less fight it.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at December 21, 2015 09:45 PM (P8951)

214 195 Irony,

The media is doing a workmanlike job of hiding Ogabe's intentions and how many known cells are in play...

When the time comes he'll be on the side of angels

Posted by: Sven10077 at December 21, 2015 09:45 PM (g8Hfr)

215 >>>And how long before that crazed old woman becomes the national cat lady? No offence to cat lovers.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 21, 2015 09:40 PM (hJrjt)<<<

Don't bet on it.

Posted by: zombie Socks, dumped after Bill and Hill left the White House at December 21, 2015 09:45 PM (H9MG5)

216 I want to get a new .22 riffle

Suggestions please

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 09:37 PM (voOPb)

.22 or .223....it's pretty much the same.

AR-15 for the win.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2015 09:45 PM (Zu3d9)

217 My suggestion for a .22 is a 30-06.

Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 09:45 PM (s5o+q)

218 Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:40 PM (uZNvH)

Yeah... and all those Nazis in Germany WW2, should all have been given the benefit of the doubt... even if they were wearing their swastikas in the US...

Have you ever read the Koran? Do you understand what it asks its Believers to do?

Do you understand that they KNOW what the Koran says? and yet CHOSE to follow that religion anyway?

Posted by: BB Wolf at December 21, 2015 09:46 PM (f7rv6)

219 @189 store Santa I will see you Friday

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 09:46 PM (voOPb)

220 http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/finder/

"You have a model RK?"



Bolty, semi. I'd rust them all. Good damn firearms.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 09:46 PM (fqFkQ)

221 Yay! Internet tough guy is here to tell us all how it's done.

Not telling you a damn thing Burt ... do what you want to do.

But I'm not going along with you. Fuck that.

Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:46 PM (qmMG2)

222 .22 or .223....it's pretty much the same.

AR-15 for the win.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 21, 2015 09:45 PM (Zu3d9)


Well... velocity matters, so...

Posted by: BurtTC at December 21, 2015 09:46 PM (Dj0WE)

223 But there are also plenty of Muslims who don't want anything to do with destroying America. I don't think they should be lumped in with the terrorists.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:40 PM (uZNvH)

I understand why you believe that and I respect your right to believe it. I do,however, think you are wrong about the plenty part, if there are any such Muslims there numbers are very small and they are probably Muslims in Name Only. If a Muslim is observant, then, by definition they are praying and working for the Caliphate because they believe that's destined to be.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at December 21, 2015 09:46 PM (kXoT0)

224 203 Or to put it another way: "how many wars have we won since we got a "department of defense" to replace a "war department" ?

Words. Have. Meanings.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (rock salt and fire-hook at the ready !) at December 21, 2015 09:42 PM (erRNA)


How many DECLARED Wars have we had since they changed the name...

That's how many we won...

Posted by: BB Wolf at December 21, 2015 09:47 PM (f7rv6)

225 But I will say, how is it that Middle East Muzzies
are all into jihad, but Muzzies in the US are all about peace? How does
that work? And for the ones that come here, is it something in the
water as they fly over the pond that makes them so allegedly peaceful?

Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:39 PM (C3E0x)

It is Magic Dirt.
We have Magic Dirt in the US which makes even those with the most backwards barbaric ideologies into students of western liberalism and democracy.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 21, 2015 09:48 PM (T78UI)

226 Not telling you a damn thing Burt ... do what you want to do.

But I'm not going along with you.
Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:46 PM (qmMG2)


You're a clown. I wouldn't expect you to do anything I suggest.


But I can predict your future.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 21, 2015 09:48 PM (Dj0WE)

227 The raw, uncomfortable truth is that sharia law is utterly incompatible with the United States Constitution.

But, we are told by eminent Islamic scholars, that sharia law is a fundamental and inseparable element of the Islamic "faith."

It doesn't take advanced logic to come to the conclusion that Islam and the U.S. Constitution are mutually incompatible. One or the other must give way.

I have opinions about which I'd prefer to give way.

Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 09:49 PM (s5o+q)

228 213 For this country there's no doubt progressives are worse.
Posted by: Hank at December 21, 2015 09:36 PM (aUcgj)

ISIS is, in fact, the JV team when compared to the Nazis, the Imperial Japanese and the Soviets. If America still held the values it did 70 years ago, if all Americans still believed in their country,we'd beat ISIS easily. But the progressives have so divided and undermined the moral fiber of this country that the Dems can not even call Islamic terrorism by its' right name, much less fight it.
Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at December 21, 2015 09:45 PM (P8951)
***
I think of them with regard to ISIS in much the same way I think of them re: Soviets.

These people are neither more nor less than subversive revolutionaries, so they'll side with damned near anybody who looks likely to harm their "enemies."

Honestly, I see no other explanation for it.

Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine at December 21, 2015 09:49 PM (lutOX)

229 Maybe I should get both .22 & .223

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 09:49 PM (voOPb)

230 I want to get a new .22 riffle
Suggestions please

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 09:37 PM (voOPb)

Chiappa (Italian) makes a .22 M1 Carbine. Good stock and accurate. Action works well and good magazines. Bad side is plastic front and rear sights but you can change these to GI metal ones as they fit. Around $209.00 at Bud's. Uses the GI sling and oiler too. They also make a 9mm version.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 21, 2015 09:50 PM (ej1L0)

231 Psychopathic c*nt. She's the worst character in the history of American politics. It's a given that she should be in jail. I'm just not sure anymore what in God's name can stop her. She plows through EVERYTHING.

Posted by: rrpjr at December 21, 2015 09:50 PM (s/yC1)

232 I'm partial to having a Department of Ass-whuppin'.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 21, 2015 09:50 PM (kpqmD)

233 For my .02 .... or .22 ....
I like the Henry US Survival - breaks down to stow in the stock. Backpack sized when broken down.
Floats, so no trouble with canoe accidents.

Or just get an old JC Higgins single-shot bolt action - I like them too.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez (rock salt and fire-hook at the ready !) at December 21, 2015 09:50 PM (erRNA)

234 I have a beautiful Weatherby .22 that my Grandmother gave my Dad as a gift. He left it to me. I offered it to my nephew who is named after him, he refused it because Wifey, the militant Dim, said no, remember, we hate guns and the baby might hurt herself with it. I was going to include a trigger lock. It is literally a family heirloom and now I have to give it to a different family member.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at December 21, 2015 09:50 PM (kXoT0)

235 But I'm not going along with you. Fuck that.

+1

The primary reason for the existence of the united States of America is the mutual defense of the free men against *any* who think they can make us their slaves. If someone decides they aren't going to be part of that defense, we can't stop them, but there's no need for any of us to accept risks on their behalf.

Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2015 09:50 PM (ZbV+0)

236 167 rickl, when I saw them stick the landing I jumped and hollered. My wife thought that I had lost my mind. Stayed with the webcast through the satellite deployment. SpaceX made history tonight, and I got to see it. How awesome is that?
Posted by: Old Blue at December 21, 2015 09:36 PM (9iR5/)


I'm old enough to remember Gemini and Apollo in the 1960s, and there is *nothing* as exciting as a SpaceX launch today.

That's because they keep pushing the envelope, just like back in the old days, where every mission built on the previous one, and tried to do a little more.

Tonight's launch was the first one since the catastrophic failure on June 28, and instead of simply reflying the same Falcon 9, this was the first launch of an upgraded and more powerful version. That took some moxie.

Congratulations, SpaceX! You had me about to turn blue. I'm breathing again. Thanks a lot.

Posted by: rickl at December 21, 2015 09:50 PM (sdi6R)

237 >>I don't see the tautology, and you appear to be arguing for a Arab-style feud culture, whether you realize it or not.
Posted by: Grey Fox at December 21, 2015 09:37 PM (bZ7mE)

Yeah, we either have a rule of law or we don't. I believe there are times when people might decide it is necessary to go outside of that (prisoners killing off pedophiles and serial killers, batman, etc), but it should be done with a realization that a legal price might have to paid. If we lose that, we are losing civilization. I pray it is not necessary, although I can think of situations where it would be.

Posted by: Lea at December 21, 2015 09:50 PM (aUjAM)

238 But I can predict your future.

Believe me ... the feeling is mutual.

Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:50 PM (qmMG2)

239 actually the news story is that a Republican did not apologize

Posted by: Ben H at December 21, 2015 09:51 PM (gJEsZ)

240 Chemjeff, do you think Islam is a religion that promoters violence? If so, that as a result, a number of its followers Will be prone to violence.

Look, I grew up in southern Nigeria. I went to school with Muslims; I had Muslim friends who I am certain would never hurt a fly.

But if you refuse to acknowledge that there is something about Islam that makes its adherents much more prone to violence than those of other religions, and that a whole bunch of Muslims who don't commit acts of violence support or at the very least sympathize with those who do... well, I don't know what to tell you.

I am from a country that's 50% Muslim and I know the havoc a good concentration of Muslims can cause, and it is not isolated to Nigeria. Far from it.

I think that until we come up with mind reading technologies, extra caution when it comes to Muslims is prudent for the government. If more Muslims vocally condemned the terrible acts of their coreligionists, people would have a better opinion of them as a group.

Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 09:51 PM (OkKDg)

241 Not only is this woman clinically insane, she's evil. Hillary needs to be put out to pasture or sent to the glue factory.

Posted by: Fritz at December 21, 2015 09:51 PM (BngQR)

242 Psychopathic c*nt. She's the worst character in the history of American politics. It's a given that she should be in jail. I'm just not sure anymore what in God's name can stop her. She plows through EVERYTHING.
Posted by: rrpjr at December 21, 2015 09:50 PM (s/yC1)


Bold statement!

Let's see, who in American political history is worse than Hillary . . .

. . .

. . .

um . . .

Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 09:51 PM (s5o+q)

243 Hey Morons! Looking for a little help I understand? Maybe an overnight thread? morning news links? I'm your guy, and I'm ready to start tonight!!

Posted by: Steve Harvey at December 21, 2015 09:52 PM (o9lmn)

244 Fuck that. There comes a time where he should pay for his own damned "gentle heart", without demanding I go along for the ride.

This is one of those times.


Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:41 PM (qmMG2)

Slip the dog into his house when he is asleep.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 21, 2015 09:52 PM (T78UI)

245 "
Maybe I should get both .22 .223"


Do it.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 09:52 PM (fqFkQ)

246 .223/5.56 for inside the house self defense.
300 AAC or 7.62x39 out to 300 yards
.308 or 30-06 out to 600-800 yards

All semi-auto rifles of course.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 09:53 PM (hVdx9)

247 The primary reason for the existence of the united States of America is the mutual defense of the free men against *any* who think they can make us their slaves. If someone decides they aren't going to be part of that defense, we can't stop them, but there's no need for any of us to accept risks on their behalf.
Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2015 09:50 PM (ZbV+0)


Careful now. You're agreeing with a goof whose merely trying to puff himself up in the comments section of a blog.


It doesn't mean anything. It's just words.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 21, 2015 09:53 PM (Dj0WE)

248 Hey Morons! Looking for a little help I understand? Maybe an overnight thread? morning news links? I'm your guy, and I'm ready to start tonight!!
Posted by: Steve Harvey at December 21, 2015 09:52 PM (o9lmn)


Fuck you.

Posted by: Columbia at December 21, 2015 09:53 PM (s5o+q)

249 The amazing part is that it was hillary and obama's policies that created isis.

She is trying to blame that on anybody but her.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 21, 2015 09:42 PM (ODxAs)

Well, she wrote her senior thesis on Alinsky. She should know the drill.

Posted by: rrpjr at December 21, 2015 09:53 PM (s/yC1)

250 Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:41 PM (qmMG2)

Lutherans arguing over jello salad molds and recipes aren't an existential threat and in general outside of their churches, I do not expect any of them to attack me for being a Presbyterian, Catholic, or Buddhist.



I agree that not every muz in this country poses an existential threat, but I am convinced based on numerous observations starting as far back as 1993 to the present day that I cannot rationally extend that courtesy to all muz because there is such a high percentage of muz, and specifically muz, as they are an existential threat.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:53 PM (ftVQq)

251 You know what. If there were a bunch of Catholics from Northern Ireland coming here and a couple of them kept blowing shit up and killing Protestants I would have zero problem with putting a halt on immigration of Catholics from there until we could ensure that the ones coming here weren't of "kill the Protestant heretics" variety. Because that is the sensible thing to do. to say "no you can't do that because it prevents the good ones from coming" is fucking insane.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 21, 2015 09:54 PM (z/Ubi)

252 Hillary needs to be put out to pasture or sent to the glue factory.
Posted by: Fritz at December 21, 2015 09:51 PM (BngQR)

Umm, gee whiz, sorry, we can't take that rankcarcass, dayum, it's so foul it would gum up the works so bad we'd have to steam clean the whole line! Thanks, but, no thanks.


----Sincerely, Glue Factory

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at December 21, 2015 09:54 PM (kXoT0)

253 Believe me ... the feeling is mutual.
Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:50 PM (qmMG2)


Thanks, you just revealed yourself as the liberal you are.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 21, 2015 09:54 PM (Dj0WE)

254 Lots of good ideas Morons

Sherry I believe I'm your long lost cousin
So I will take that Weatherby off your hands

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 09:55 PM (voOPb)

255 Congratulations, SpaceX! You had me about to turn blue. I'm breathing again. Thanks a lot.

Same here. You shoulda seen it, rickl. It was fucking awesome.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 21, 2015 09:55 PM (LUgeY)

256 245 "
Maybe I should get both .22 .223"


Do it.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 09:52 PM (fqFkQ)
***
My words, exactly.......

Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine at December 21, 2015 09:55 PM (lutOX)

257 Islam is a not a religion as Westerners now think of it. It is a totalitarian system that encompasses all aspects of life. Church and state are one, the same thing, and that is a totalitarian entity. What was the ol' creed, nothing outside the State, everything within the State?

That's Islam. And that was its very *purpose*. A system to enable and perpetuate conquest and tyranny.

Now, if it could be "reformed", defanged into something that was a pure religion, maybe it could "co-exist", but that would not be real Islam, as written down by the lunatics who created it.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 21, 2015 09:56 PM (dvuhZ)

258 Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 09:51 PM (OkKDg)

Fantastic insight, chique!

Thank you!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 09:56 PM (ftVQq)

259 We should cease all immigration and sort out the immigrants who are here. Then America can establish a new immigration policy.

Terrorists aside, I am fed up being surrounded by perpetually aggrieved foreigners.


Posted by: Ralph at December 21, 2015 09:56 PM (cWx6M)

260 Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:34 PM (C3E0x)
"I see people here and elsewhere who presume that all Muslims are, if not outright terrorists, then one small step away from terrorism.
I can't abide by such assumptions. I would rather that each individual be judged by his/her own merits."

Unfortunately, we can no longer assume that about Muslims. IIRC some of those dead people in SB threw the killers a baby shower. Even with some or most liberal scum at this point, you can assume they aren't being to kill heathens.

"No one here would abide by the assumption that because they are, say, gun owners, that they are one small step away from mass murder."

Noone here, but liberal scum do it all the time. Nothing wrong with turning the tables on them.

"That would be offensive to them, and rightly so. I only ask that all individuals be judged on their own merits, that is all. That doesn't mean that each individual is blameless, they are not. There are plenty of Muslims who are bent on destroying Western values and they should be not only stopped from entering America but also killed in battle, IMO. But there are also plenty of Muslims who don't want anything to do with destroying America. I don't think they should be lumped in with the terrorists."

I just don't give a flying fuck what liberal scum and their allies think any more. You may be in denial of the fact that everybody is already choosing sides for the coming civil war. Liberals and Muslims vs. Conservatives and Christians. Muzzies are currently doing the dirty work. Eventually, they all want in on the game.

Wake up before it's too late.


Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 09:56 PM (C3E0x)

261 John Huntsman has a wide stance.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at December 21, 2015 09:57 PM (VdICR)

262 I agree that not every muz in this country poses an existential
threat, but I am convinced based on numerous observations starting as
far back as 1993 to the present day that I cannot rationally extend that
courtesy to all muz because there is such a high percentage of muz, and
specifically muz, as they are an existential threat.

Well then whatever shall we do ? Because anything other than doing what we're told is just bullshit talk.

Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:57 PM (qmMG2)

263 248 Hey Morons! Looking for a little help I understand? Maybe an overnight thread? morning news links? I'm your guy, and I'm ready to start tonight!!
Posted by: Steve Harvey at December 21, 2015 09:52 PM (o9lmn)

Fuck you.
Posted by: Columbia at December 21, 2015 09:53 PM (s5o+q)


Fuck you.

Posted by: Colombia at December 21, 2015 09:58 PM (z/Ubi)

264 I hope she drowns in her Depends.

Posted by: Garrett at December 21, 2015 09:58 PM (bcdMv)

265 I use to own a Marlin .22 riffle single shot and a S&W .22 pistol

Damn canoe

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 09:58 PM (voOPb)

266 But she has the chutzpah to say HELL NO, when Teh Donald cries for an apology.

She beat him. He looks weak, as he always does when someone attacks him.

This does not bode well for him, and it boosts her image as a "fighter."

Posted by: the littl shyning man at December 21, 2015 09:58 PM (U6f54)

267 Sherry I believe I'm your long lost cousin
So I will take that Weatherby off your hands
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 09:55 PM (voOPb)

I will probably wind up giving it to the other nephew. I already gave him my husband's Remington 30 06.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at December 21, 2015 09:59 PM (kXoT0)

268 246 .223/5.56 for inside the house self defense.
300 AAC or 7.62x39 out to 300 yards
.308 or 30-06 out to 600-800 yards

All semi-auto rifles of course.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 09:53 PM (hVdx9)
***
To each, his own, of course.... but 5.56 fired indoors makes you a prime candidate for a Miracle Ear....
Otherwise, sounds good....
7.62X39 - sound pick....
.308 - excellent calibre for a MBR.....

Simplify it, if you'd like:

A pistol for your bedroom
A shotgun for your door
A rifle reaches out
And no man needs more.

Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine at December 21, 2015 09:59 PM (lutOX)

269 255
Same here. You shoulda seen it, rickl. It was fucking awesome.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 21, 2015 09:55 PM (LUgeY)


Did you see it in person?

Posted by: rickl at December 21, 2015 09:59 PM (sdi6R)

270 Example: My Nigerian friend had a job that where he traveled a lot and he often went to Nigeria. he told me that when he was in the capital, which is in the north, which is predominantly Muslim, he was speaking to this very rich, genteel, educated-abroad northern guy about the Dutch Muhammad cartoons. my friend was shocked when the guy said, sure it's okay that people were killed over the cartoons.

my poor friend couldn't believe that someone who is educated and exposed to the world would have such backwards views. I wasn't surprised, on the other hand, because I had a better idea of what is Islam entailed that my friend.

Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 09:59 PM (OkKDg)

271 John Huntsman has a wide stance.
Posted by: BourbonChicken


Wounds my heart with a monotonous languor.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 21, 2015 10:00 PM (FkBIv)

272 ISIS is, in fact, the JV team when compared to the Nazis, the Imperial Japanese and the Soviets.

ISIS maybe, Islam, no ...

Posted by: Reason the Mountains are called the Hindu Kush ... at December 21, 2015 10:00 PM (oZKRQ)

273 A pistol for your bedroom

A shotgun for your door

A rifle reaches out

And no man needs more.

Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine at December 21, 2015 09:59 PM (lutOX)
A knife for your life

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 10:00 PM (ftVQq)

274 >>>Well then whatever shall we do ? Because anything other than doing what we're told is just bullshit talk.
.
Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 09:57 PM (qmMG2)
<<<


Let's make sure the GOPe doesn't steal the primary.
Let's all go vote for Trump or Cruz.
For if they don't steal the primary it will be either
Trump or Cruz.



Posted by: Ralph at December 21, 2015 10:00 PM (cWx6M)

275 263 248 Hey Morons! Looking for a little help I understand? Maybe an overnight thread? morning news links? I'm your guy, and I'm ready to start tonight!!
Posted by: Steve Harvey at December 21, 2015 09:52 PM (o9lmn)

Fuck you.
Posted by: Columbia at December 21, 2015 09:53 PM (s5o+q)


Fuck you.
Posted by: Colombia at December 21, 2015 09:58 PM (z/Ubi)


Go on . . .

Posted by: Columbia at December 21, 2015 10:00 PM (s5o+q)

276
I just don't give a flying fuck what liberal scum and their allies think any more."


blano like a boss.


Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 10:01 PM (fqFkQ)

277 My dad gave me a Browning .22 semi-auto for Christmas when I was 10. It was a sweet little rifle except it ejected the spent shell casings straight down. They had a tendency to sometimes get inside my sleeve. When I got older and my arms grew it wasn't a problem.

Posted by: Hank at December 21, 2015 10:01 PM (aUcgj)

278 rickl, I have to agree with your last statement on the early space flight missions. I remember I was seventeen, laying on the living room floor and watching the first Moon landing on a 19" black and white tv. I was awestruck. And after Apollo, the space program kind of went into neutral.

Posted by: Old Blue at December 21, 2015 10:01 PM (9iR5/)

279 >>Posted by: Buzzion at December 21, 2015 09:54 PM (z/Ubi)



Like anyone would complain if we kicked out the Irish?

Posted by: Garrett at December 21, 2015 10:01 PM (bcdMv)

280
Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 09:51 PM (OkKDg)

Thank you for your comments, I really do appreciate them. I do sometimes get caught up in my libertarian fervor.
I am fine with additional scrutiny of individuals from majority Muslim nations. I think that is prudent.
But a blanket rejection of everyone who belongs to a certain religion? I can't support that. Your Muslim colleagues whom you say would not harm a fly, would you say that they pose a security risk to the US? I don't think so. They would be unfairly treated by any US policy that was based on religion alone. Now I don't suggest that anyone has a RIGHT to enter the US, they don't. So if these individuals can pass any additional scrutiny that might be applied to potential immigrants or refugees from Nigeria, then I say, that's fine, even if those individuals describe themselves as Muslim.
I do think Islam promotes violent behavior and that is unfortunate. But in this country I think we should punish actual behavior, not "potential" behavior. Otherwise it is just punishment of thoughtcrime, which is a very dangerous road to travel. There are LOTS of people who promote violent behavior that has nothing to do with any religion.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:01 PM (uZNvH)

281

Sherry

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 10:01 PM (voOPb)

282 223 But there are also plenty of Muslims who don't want anything to do with destroying America. I don't think they should be lumped in with the terrorists.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 09:40 PM (uZNvH)

This is the problem, chemjeff. The co-workers of the San Bern terrorist probably thought he didn't want anything to do with destroying America, until he showed up with the missus (who had been given a baby shower by those same co-workers) and murdered them in cold blood. The woman jihadi killed in Belgium had been quite the party girl.

All of these terrorists and terrorist wannabes have one common denominator - Islam, a religion that gives them sanction to commit terrible acts in the name of Allah.

How do you know that "plenty" of them are peaceful? The Muslims I know seem peaceful and maybe they are, but for all I know, they are hearing "kill the infidels" every Friday at the mosque. Do you know they are not? Nobody's monitoring those places and the left blows a fuse when Trump suggested they should be.

After the SB attack, I realized I really couldn't trust any of them any more. What they say and how they act around infidels might be very different from what they say and act when they are around each other.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at December 21, 2015 10:02 PM (P8951)

283 Steve Harvey should change his name and flee. Columbia beheaded a goal keeper who cost them a world cup game. He's a dead man walking.

Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 10:02 PM (BTnAK)

284 Please forgive my typos and misspelling. Typing on a phone is awful, and the dictation software on my phone can be awful and does not believe in proper capitalization.

Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 10:03 PM (OkKDg)

285 Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:01 PM (uZNvH)

May the odds be ever in your favor!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 10:03 PM (ftVQq)

286 I ain't no ways 'pologizing!

Posted by: Hillary! at December 21, 2015 10:03 PM (8aOqE)

287 Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 10:03 PM (OkKDg)

The content is clear as a bell!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 10:04 PM (ftVQq)

288 " A pistol for your bedroom

A shotgun for your door

A rifle reaches out

And no man needs more


.38 Spl

.20 guage

.223




Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 10:04 PM (fqFkQ)

289 ChemJeff can't handle a spatula. How can we trust him with a firearm? I'm really tired of his Trump hate. We need someone to raise Hell in DC. The establishment types will all go Ryan on us. We need the Great Disrupter.

Posted by: CMU VET at December 21, 2015 10:04 PM (ejB0r)

290 ISIS is, in fact, the JV team when compared to the Nazis, the Imperial Japanese and the Soviets.

ISIS maybe, Islam, no ...

Posted by: Reason the Mountains are called the Hindu Kush ... at December 21, 2015 10:00 PM (oZKRQ)

ISIS might be JV compared to the Soviets, but the Soviets weren't batshit crazy. Cunning, ruthless on occasion, yes. Crazy, no.

Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 10:04 PM (C3E0x)

291 May the odds be ever in your favor!

Golf Clap ...

Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 10:05 PM (qmMG2)

292 To each, his own, of course.... but 5.56 fired indoors makes you a prime candidate for a Miracle Ear....
Otherwise, sounds good....
7.62X39 - sound pick....
.308 - excellent calibre for a MBR.....

Simplify it, if you'd like:

A pistol for your bedroom
A shotgun for your door
A rifle reaches out
And no man needs more.

Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine
****
Well of course only with ear protection.
No man needs more? Define "need"

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 10:06 PM (hVdx9)

293 Oh ... but shit ... I'm a liberal ...

... not golf clap ?

Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 10:06 PM (qmMG2)

294 I remember I was seventeen, laying on the living room floor and watching the first Moon landing on a 19" black and white tv. Posted by: Old Blue

Wow, what a coincidence. I was also 17 and I also watched it on a 19" B&W TV while laying on the living room floor!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 21, 2015 10:06 PM (FkBIv)

295 Your Muslim colleagues whom you say would not harm a fly, would you say that they pose a security risk to the US? I don't think so.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:01 PM (uZNvH)

I'm sure some of the SB dead felt the same way about their eventual killers.

Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 10:06 PM (C3E0x)

296 #279 You can try. I can reach a gun anywhere in my house.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at December 21, 2015 10:07 PM (Kucy5)

297 288 " A pistol for your bedroom

A shotgun for your door

A rifle reaches out

And no man needs more


.38 Spl

.20 guage

.223




Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 10:04 PM (fqFkQ)
***
You're a man of nice taste, and good judgment, sir.

Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine at December 21, 2015 10:07 PM (lutOX)

298 But in this country I think we should punish actual behavior, not "potential" behavior
---
No one is "punishing" anything.

We are at war with islam because islam is by definition at war with everyone who doesn't submit to it. We are a subset of their 'everyone who doesn't submit to it.' We don't get a say in that, short of submissions, which is not an option for any Jew, Christian, or patriotic American.

We only get to choose how, or at this point, whether we defend ourselves, or if we will just lie down and bleed out for their amusement.

Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2015 10:07 PM (ZbV+0)

299 Did you see it in person?

Yep. Saw it go up for about a minute before it disappeared behind the relatively low cloud cover. Went back inside and watch the de-orbit burn countdown clock and got back outside about a minute before it lit the first burn. That one was just a few seconds, but below the clouds so it was very noticeable. Probably at 30 degrees.

A little while later I saw the final burn just above the horizon.

That is Officially the Coolest Thing I've Ever Seen While Living Down Here Ever. I feel like I'm a kid again when we landed on the moon the first time.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 21, 2015 10:08 PM (LUgeY)

300 Are they calling out the bad ones?
No.
Then they are also the bad ones.


Posted by: Ralph at December 21, 2015 10:08 PM (cWx6M)

301 Wow, what a coincidence. I was also 17 and I also watched it on a 19" BW TV while laying on the living room floor!

Black, White, 17, 19, TV, Living Room Floor ...

... conjures memories.

Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 10:08 PM (qmMG2)

302 World's a messy place. Especially these days. Be "unfair" or be dead?

Chemical jeff
Unfortunately that's what happens in war, if you want to win. Trust me in war you don't want a fair fight unless you are the weaker side.

Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 10:09 PM (BTnAK)

303 Well of course only with ear protection.
No man needs more? Define "need"
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 10:06 PM (hVdx9)
***
That will do until I can get my hands on the drool-worthy stuff......

Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine at December 21, 2015 10:09 PM (lutOX)

304 Muslims are prone to foregoing their peaceful religion to become not Muslim terrorists over the merest of slights? Clearly, flooding our country with these good folk is the only sensible solution.

Posted by: mugiwara at December 21, 2015 10:09 PM (9eF7E)

305 Chemjeff, #188:

"But there are also plenty of Muslims who don't want anything to do with destroying America."

Yes. I've worked with some. Guys who took their lives in their hands, as a matter of fact, to stand on our side, and to help our Army kill our enemies.

Sad to say, I'm not optimistic as to what fraction of the total they are, but they're there, and I'm glad you're willing to carve out exceptions.

Sherry McEvil, #223:

"if there are any such Muslims there numbers are very small and they are probably Muslims in Name Only."

The ones I knew best were devout in their fashion, but definitely played some pick-and-choose theology. And culture can make all the different in the world as to what they play up and play down.

Posted by: JPS at December 21, 2015 10:09 PM (9ziuC)

306 Gender bias? I've got your gender bias right here.

Posted by: Brian Williams at December 21, 2015 10:10 PM (pq97T)

307 ISIS maybe, Islam, no ...
Posted by: Reason the Mountains are called the Hindu Kush ... at December 21, 2015 10:00 PM (oZKRQ)

No, not Islam. But pounding the crap out of ISIS might give Muslims pause before they start to stir up shit. Young people are drawn to it now, not just because it permits them to act out their darkest impulses and to do so with the blessing of Allah, but because they believe they are on the winning side.

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at December 21, 2015 10:10 PM (P8951)

308 Immigration test.

If you fly or paste a flag of your home country to car or home we ship you back where you came from. No more Hyphenated Americans.

Posted by: Willy J. at December 21, 2015 10:10 PM (wHX4r)

309 >>273 A pistol for your bedroom
A shotgun for your door
A rifle reaches out
And no man needs more.

Cute. Does that mean I should get a shotgun?

Posted by: Lea at December 21, 2015 10:10 PM (aUjAM)

310 I do think Islam promotes violent behavior and that is unfortunate. But in this country I think we should punish actual behavior, not "potential" behavior. Otherwise it is just punishment of thoughtcrime, which is a very dangerous road to travel. There are LOTS of people who promote violent behavior that has nothing to do with any religion.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:01 PM (uZNvH)

chemjeff, if people trusted that the government was actually doing their due diligence on refugees, people issued visas, and had some control of illegal immigrants, I don't think they'd be as worried.

The problem is -- our government says "ISIS has nothing to do with Islam" and commands our screeners to not even ask about beliefs, to not check social media, to not do any due diligence whatsoever. Because that'd be racist.

So the rational response to that is, "okay, fine -- then no more Muslims if the government is incapable or unwilling to screen people who have no RIGHT to be here in the first place."

For US citizens, I agree -- it needs to be a much different standard.

But we let in refugees and immigrants out of the goodness of our heart. We have no obligation to them.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 21, 2015 10:10 PM (AkOaV)

311 Chemjeff, how can we tell the difference between the good and the bad? We have our own crazy criminals. Why would we import more?

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 21, 2015 10:10 PM (BHl9S)

312 299
That is Officially the Coolest Thing I've Ever Seen While Living Down Here Ever. I feel like I'm a kid again when we landed on the moon the first time.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 21, 2015 10:08 PM (LUgeY)


Good for you! I only watched it on the internet but I feel the same way.

Posted by: rickl at December 21, 2015 10:11 PM (sdi6R)

313 A shotgun for your door
A rifle reaches out
And no man needs more.

Cute. Does that mean I should get a shotgun?


Posted by: Lea
****

As you are not a man, no.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 10:11 PM (hVdx9)

314 Crap. Now starts the 28 ga. vs. 16 ga. debate.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2015 10:11 PM (oFSUK)

315 I ain't no ways 'pologizing!
Posted by: Hillary!


But you do NOT wanna go in there...

Posted by: Hillz! at December 21, 2015 10:11 PM (9mTYi)

316 I spent several of my Detroit years hanging around some Muslim friends. Nice people overall. Great cooks. Sometimes we'd watch TV after dinner. Some Arabic channel.

Every time, the news would have a story about Israel. And every time, you'd start hearing this hissing sound. Some of the older Arabs would start hissing like snakes (literally) whenever the subject of Israel came up.

Fact is, even "peaceful" Arabs/Muslims define peace as driving Israel into the sea.

Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 10:12 PM (C3E0x)

317 Crap. Now starts the 28 ga. vs. 16 ga. debate.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
----------------

To be followed by the .218 vs. .219 debate.

I hate these family squabbles.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2015 10:12 PM (oFSUK)

318 Get a man.
Let him get the door.


Posted by: Ralph at December 21, 2015 10:12 PM (cWx6M)

319 Crap. Now starts the 28 ga. vs. 16 ga. debate.

Posted by: Mike Hammer
****

Those guys talk like fags and their sh*t's all retarded.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 10:13 PM (hVdx9)

320 Appreciate that, Palpatine, don't take that as an insult, just don't know you.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 10:13 PM (fqFkQ)

321 309 >>273 A pistol for your bedroom
A shotgun for your door
A rifle reaches out
And no man needs more.

Cute. Does that mean I should get a shotgun?
Posted by: Lea at December 21, 2015 10:10 PM (aUjAM)
***
Yes. A scattergun was - and still is - standard kitchen gear where I grew up.

A 12 gauge, or even a 20 gauge, loaded with #00 buckshot is about the most devastating weapon, within its effective range, a civilian can have.

Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine at December 21, 2015 10:13 PM (lutOX)

322 I'm Sorry!

Can I haz VP now?

Posted by: Bernie Sanders at December 21, 2015 10:14 PM (p4az2)

323 Buzzion, #251:

"If there were a bunch of Catholics from Northern Ireland coming here and a couple of them kept blowing shit up and killing Protestants I would have zero problem with putting a halt on immigration of Catholics from there until we could ensure that the ones coming here weren't of "kill the Protestant heretics" variety."

I like this a lot - but would still say that in your scenario, a Catholic who distinguished himself fighting those Catholics blowing shit up and killing Protestants, and found himself targeted by them as a result, is probably OK.

Posted by: JPS at December 21, 2015 10:14 PM (9ziuC)

324 I do think Islam promotes violent behavior and that is unfortunate. But in this country I think we should punish actual behavior, not "potential" behavior. Otherwise it is just punishment of thoughtcrime, which is a very dangerous road to travel. There are LOTS of people who promote violent behavior that has nothing to do with any religion.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:01 PM (uZNvH)


I think the problem, chemjeff, is trying to figure out which Muslims take Islam "seriously" and which don't.

The ones that do constitute a clear and present danger to the United States, precisely because Islam, as designed, is just simply totally inimicable to classical liberalism as embodied by the founding documents of the United States.

The ones that don't may or may not, depending on the myriad of other factors affecting the human psyche.

But the fact that somebody identifies as a Muslim IS A WARNING SIGN that they may in fact take it seriously.

We ignore the threat that a "fundamentalist" construction of the Koran poses to Western civilization at our imminent peril.

This does not mean that somebody who identifies as a Muslim is automatically a bad person. It does mean that he or she is unfortunate in his/her heritage or life choices, IMHO. And through their identification as a Muslim . that person has self-identified to singled his/herself out for suspicion and scrutiny, for the reasons described above.

This is unfortunate, but it isn't my fault. The fault is with Islam, and the terror and mayhem it has already spawned.

Posted by: Columbia at December 21, 2015 10:14 PM (s5o+q)

325 Chemjeff, I would say that no immigrant has a right to immigrate to the US, and if Muslims keep on causing trouble abroad and over here, the country is well within its right to severely restrict or even stop immigration of Muslims, out of an abundance of caution, as they say.

the fact is that a lot of innocent Muslims will be affected adversely,. they should take it up with their murderous coreligionists.

private institutions already discriminate against citizens of various countries. for example students in Nigeria and some other countries who are taking the SATs are restricted to certain forms of payment and have to do other stuff that others don't have to go through. and for good reason. This also affects honest Nigerians. At a point, I think some airlines require you to go to the airport to pay for your tickets, which is incredibly inconvenient.


But guess who I used to blame when I was affected. Friggin fraudulent Nigerians who were ruining things for the rest of us.

Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 10:14 PM (OkKDg)

326 Backwards Boy - I officially hate you (not really) and I'm really jealous. Didn't Boeing and SpaceX just sign some type of agreement to start boosting supplies to the ISS? I was really curious about that because when Lockheed and Boeing formed United Launch Alliance, both companies had to divest their booster programs and create a totally new entity.
If Boeing goes back into the booster business, that would violate their agreement with the US government.

Posted by: Old Blue at December 21, 2015 10:14 PM (9iR5/)

327 During ww ii did we accept immigrants from Germany or Japan? It's war. War. Wake up. The whole country is sleeping still.

Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 10:14 PM (BTnAK)

328 Aargh. Sockus interruptus.

Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 10:14 PM (s5o+q)

329 It's probable been said before, because it's all been said before, but this is all predicated on a lie.
A lie.
A lie.
The only way it gets traction or harms Trump is if the press reports on what Hillary says, with no context or fact-checking.
Which is what they always do for the democrats, and they do it in lockstep. All media outlets. You can call it JournalList, or whatever, but it's been going on for so long as to become a joke on Limbaugh, one of the few things I really still like about his show. The monday recap of the talking points spewed in lockstep over the weekend.

Hiding behind a claim that they are only reporting what she said is technically true, but it is a gift not offered to those they disagree with. (I would strike out the word disagree and insert Hate, but I don't know how)

The morons of the country (real ones, not us) will lap this up, as it requires nothing but to wear their blue team foam finger in the he said/she said eternal arguement, with no desire or intent to know the truth.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 21, 2015 10:15 PM (kKHcp)

330 Thanks, Hrothgar! :-)

Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 10:15 PM (OkKDg)

331 Get a man.
Let him get the door.

Posted by: Ralph
----------------

Jeeves!
*hands Jeeves a Taurus Judge*
I say, Jeeves, answer the door will you?

Posted by: Bertie Wooster at December 21, 2015 10:15 PM (oFSUK)

332 Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 10:15 PM (OkKDg)

You're welcome, first hand information is hard to come by and I appreciate your comments!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 10:17 PM (ftVQq)

333 Allahu Akbar!

New Jersey police officers say Muslims DID celebrate 9/11 and eyewitness remembers cheers of 'Allahu Akbar!'

http://preview.tinyurl.com/j7rzkrf

Posted by: Ralph at December 21, 2015 10:17 PM (cWx6M)

334
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 21, 2015 10:10 PM (AkOaV)

No I agree, the dumbass-in-chief is definitely making things worse by suggesting that all Muslims are peaceful, when they clearly aren't.I think, on a statistical basis, people have a legitimate reason to be concerned about Muslims inflicting harm upon them.I only ask that as a matter of national policy that we strive to judge each individual on his/her own merits to the best of our abilities.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:17 PM (uZNvH)

335 Jeeves!

*hands Jeeves a Taurus Judge*

I say, Jeeves, answer the door will you?

Posted by: Bertie Wooster at December 21, 2015 10:15 PM (oFSUK)


I have real life things I have to do, but this is why I keep hanging out here far longer than I should!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 21, 2015 10:18 PM (ftVQq)

336 >>>people trusted that the government was actually doing their due diligence on refugees, people issued visas, and had some control of illegal immigrants, I don't think they'd be as worried.

Truth. I would love to carve out exception for true refugees like Syrian Christians and Muslims who were on our side in the me, but I have lost all faith that our govt is making any effort whatsoever to differentiate. So here we are.

This is not about punishment, it is proper risk management.

Posted by: Lea at December 21, 2015 10:18 PM (aUjAM)

337 A 12 gauge, or even a 20 gauge, loaded with #00 buckshot is about the most devastating weapon, within its effective range, a civilian can have.
Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine
-------------

Objection!

#1 buck, if you please.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2015 10:19 PM (oFSUK)

338 >>>>I like this a lot - but would still say that in your scenario, a Catholic who distinguished himself fighting those Catholics blowing shit up and killing Protestants, and found himself targeted by them as a result, is probably OK.
----

Exceptions to the rule will always exist. But the default setting should be turned to "no"

Posted by: Buzzion at December 21, 2015 10:19 PM (z/Ubi)

339 325 is correct. In other words one bad apple effect s the whole barrel. It's the bad Apple's fault. They effect the others. Only way to avoid that is for the other Apple's to clearly dissociate. Convert or actively schism and reform the religion. But the is no pressure on them to do it if the moderate s never feel the cost.

Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 10:19 PM (BTnAK)

340 If Boeing goes back into the booster business, that would violate their agreement with the US government.

I haven't heard of that, but I wouldn't be surprised if, with the speed that laws are passed these days, it's legal by now.

If not now, then soon. The spice must flow.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 21, 2015 10:20 PM (LUgeY)

341 I am switching from a 12ga to an AR-15 for home defense because even #4 buck over penetrates.
The neighbors frown on getting shot, even if by accident.

There is conventional .223 ammo that will fragment upon striking two sheets of drywall and not keep going.
What it will do to a bad guy hit square is pretty nasty too.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 10:20 PM (hVdx9)

342 >>>Get a man.
Let him get the door.
Posted by: Ralph at December 21, 2015 10:12 PM (cWx6M)<<<




The back door?

Posted by: Meghan at December 21, 2015 10:20 PM (H9MG5)

343 Bedside protection by way of 9x23 Winchester 1650 FPS in a Caspian Arms frame.

Posted by: Hank at December 21, 2015 10:20 PM (aUcgj)

344 Chemjeff, I agree we only punish deeds not thoughts, but do you think we should accept Syrian refugees?

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 21, 2015 10:20 PM (BHl9S)

345 >>As you are not a man, no.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 10:11 PM (hVdx9)

Sexist! : )

Ah well. 2 out of three ain't bad.

Posted by: Lea at December 21, 2015 10:20 PM (aUjAM)

346 The problem, or a problem, with islam is a cultural issue.

You can call islam a religion if you want, but that part that is religion is a small part of the islamic culture.

A minor component of that culture - individually they expect others to conform to their religion in that we have taxi drivers refusing to carry passengers with booze or dogs, supermarket cashiers that refuse to ring up pork and other products, a large groups obstructing traffic en masse to pray.

IF even a small minority refuse to adapt customs and good order then that is sufficient reason to stop allowing further immigration until the newbies adapt. Sorry, prospective immigrants have no right to enter the country and if a few bad apples ruin it for them, then that is a problem with them.

A major component - historically, except when these cultures do have military superiority, they like to go forth in small groups and kill women, children, pretty much anybody that cannot defend themselves. Meanwhile those who did not directly participate cry, "Don't hurt me". Then after a period of inactivity, another group from those who once cried "Don't hurt me" will go forth and kill women, children, pretty much anybody that cannot defend themselves. and so on and so forth... for as long as they are tolerated.

This is a cultural problem.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 21, 2015 10:20 PM (T78UI)

347 I only ask that as a matter of national policy that we strive to judge each individual on his/her own merits to the best of our abilities.

That is to say, we should ignore their upbringing, environment and culture iff it is Islamic. Hey, I know this song!

Posted by: t-bird at December 21, 2015 10:22 PM (9mTYi)

348 334. Isn't a national policy its an ad hoc if it feels good subjective nothing.

Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 10:22 PM (BTnAK)

349 There is conventional .223 ammo that will fragment upon striking two sheets of drywall and not keep going.
What it will do to a bad guy hit square is pretty nasty too.


What happens if the bad guy is holding up a couple sheets of drywall (or wearing a heavy coat)?

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 21, 2015 10:22 PM (bZ7mE)

350 339 325 is correct. In other words one bad apple effect s the whole barrel. It's the bad Apple's fault. They effect the others. Only way to avoid that is for the other Apple's to clearly dissociate. Convert or actively schism and reform the religion. But the is no pressure on them to do it if the moderate s never feel the cost.
Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 10:19 PM (BTnAK)


The problem is that the very thought of schism and reformation of Islam is . . . as I understand it . . . apostasy. The Koran was, supposedly, the Last Word Of God, and any attempt to "reform" it is the worst kind of heresy. A neat theological trick, actually.

Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 10:23 PM (s5o+q)

351 Objection!

#1 buck, if you please.

Posted by: Mike Hammer,
****

I'll be damned, another #1 buck fan. Better than OO I understand. Many don't even know it exists.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 10:23 PM (hVdx9)

352 I wonder if a factor in underestimating the danger of Islam is that a lot of people don't really take their personal religion seriously, assuming they even have one.

I take my Christianity very seriously and believe in it 100% , so I can understand how a Muslim can take Islam very seriously.

I consider myself a Christian first before anything else, but my faith does not require me to conquer earthly governments. in fact it commands me to be subject to earthly authorities as long as they don't force me to disobey God. so I can be a patriotic, loyal American and a good Christian.

Islam is very different and dictates every single aspect of the Muslim's life, frequency in ways that are incompatible with what we would consider a free society. And, what we consider free society is grounded in Judeo Christian principles.

Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 10:24 PM (OkKDg)

353 >>>During ww ii did we accept immigrants from Germany or Japan? It's war. War. Wake up. The whole country is sleeping still.

Posted by: simplemind<<<

There isn't one c*nt in this executive branch or legislative branch that is willing to throw down the gauntlet and acknowledge this unfortunate reality. It's just workplace violence, ya'll.

Posted by: Fritz at December 21, 2015 10:24 PM (BngQR)

354 344
Chemjeff, I agree we only punish deeds not thoughts, but do you think we should accept Syrian refugees?

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 21, 2015 10:20 PM (BHl9S)

This also goes to chique's statement - nobody has any right to be in this country, I completely agree with that.
I don't think any Syrian refugee, or any non-citizen for that matter, has any right to be here. There are plenty of ways to help Syrian refugees that don't involve transporting them to American soil.

But *IF* we are going to bring Syrian refugees here, I don't think it should be based on any religious test, to the extent allowed by law. Now the law allows certain religions to get preferential treatment if they can show they are being heavily persecuted and if that is the case then yes let them in, again, IF we are going to accept any at all.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:24 PM (uZNvH)

355 350. Didn't stop any protestants.

Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 10:25 PM (BTnAK)

356 "A pistol for your bedroom

A shotgun for your door

A rifle reaches out

And no man needs more."

::: raises hand :::

I think I need a battery of MLRS.

Actually, I think I need the Russian version of same. With the very nasty thermobaric warheads that the United States is now too nice to deploy.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 21, 2015 10:25 PM (noWW6)

357 This is a cultural problem.

It's just a wee bit worse than that. Nuclear countries are being invaded.

Funny how little we hear of that.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 21, 2015 10:25 PM (LUgeY)

358 I want a bazooka for home intruders. Or hand grenades. One and done. And I only have to get kind of close.

Posted by: Old Blue at December 21, 2015 10:25 PM (9iR5/)

359 I only ask that as a matter of national policy that we strive to judge each individual on his/her own merits to the best of our abilities.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:17 PM (uZNvH)

...Yet our government does not do that. Apparently it would have been racist to, for example, check the san bernardino checks facebook calls to jihad.

So if we don't do that minimal amount of due diligence, then...

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 21, 2015 10:25 PM (AkOaV)

360 I want a bazooka for home intruders.

Are land mines in vogue? I should get some more because I keep forgetting where I put them.

Posted by: t-bird at December 21, 2015 10:26 PM (9mTYi)

361 No I agree, the dumbass-in-chief is definitely
making things worse by suggesting that all Muslims are peaceful, when
they clearly aren't.I think, on a statistical basis, people have a
legitimate reason to be concerned about Muslims inflicting harm upon
them.I only ask that as a matter of national policy that we strive to
judge each individual on his/her own merits to the best of our
abilities.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:17 PM (uZNvH)



I'm with you as far as personal morality on how to treat those around you, but as a mater of national policy we really do need to shut the tap on the incoming flow.

Posted by: mugiwara at December 21, 2015 10:26 PM (9eF7E)

362 Here's how this works:

Video: "We've got to secure our borders and prevent high risk groups from entering the country."

Formerly peaceful Muslim: "That makes me so angry! I want to crucify babies and behead random people!"

As you csn see, given the provoca, this is a perfectly justified rational response.

Posted by: Hilary Clinton at December 21, 2015 10:27 PM (k092K)

363 who will sell more guns? rodham or fredo?

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 21, 2015 10:27 PM (ucDmr)

364 355 350. Didn't stop any protestants.
Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 10:25 PM (BTnAK)


Yes, but the Protestants didn't have to totally re-write both the Old and New Testaments, the way the Muslims will have to re-write the Koran in order to accomplish a hypothetical Islamic Reformation.

Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 10:27 PM (s5o+q)

365 What happens if the bad guy is holding up a couple sheets of drywall (or wearing a heavy coat)?

Posted by: Grey Fox
****

It will go thru the heavy coat no problem.

As for holding up two sheets of drywall, I'll push him over, THEN shoot him.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 10:27 PM (hVdx9)

366 331 Get a man.
Let him get the door.

Posted by: Ralph
----------------

Jeeves!
*hands Jeeves a Taurus Judge*
I say, Jeeves, answer the door will you?
Posted by: Bertie Wooster at December 21, 2015 10:15 PM (oFSUK)
***
Sir, the gentlemen at the door were desirous of conversation with me regarding, as one of them put it, "Whose ride that is?" They were referring, I surmise, to our motor-car.

I informed him, and his compatriots as well, that the conveyance in question was in fact ours, and that they would do well to bear this in mind. Upon the conclusion of my remarks, my interlocutors sought an audience with you, sir, and were rather non-plussed when I indicated that you were not receiving at this time.

I punctuated my comments by discharging three rounds - one of bird shot, with the balance made up of what Mr. Gribble calls his "flying ashtrays," sir. I have telephoned elements of the local constabulary, who will be along presently to clean the front steps.

I have placed the cigarettes on the small table, sir.

Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine at December 21, 2015 10:28 PM (lutOX)

367 But! Chelsea is going to spawn again! New meaning to wag the dog, morons. Look at grandma! Now, don't you feel all confident and secure? ha

I saw a photo of Hilz today. There is not one single photo without a gap between her petards. I assume she does not wear a bra, ever, or why not hoist them? Lift and separate, Hilz.

I know, I know, I have better things to do like making canapes or Christmas cookies or cleaning something. (Note: on December 26th here is what I plan to do: stay in bed the entire day).

It simply is amazing that, with all of her money, she cannot find a decent tailor or stylist (see latest debate bathrobe). Tunics with pockets, like double signs pointing to her wide load. Maybe to keep her upright she requires battery packs and they are wired through to the pockets. Maybe she is packin' heat (oh, no, do not go there, Christy).

So, her bathroom potty break late mid-debate hooha was due to someone's staff member being in front of her. Yet! There are two stalls. Did they not want to see or assume the Depends change and the staff needed for this event? Doth she have to lie prone with lots of yanking and swearing to get the ole support hose and Spanx? And then she saunters back, to applause (lame audience and supporters..."Yay! She's late!"), while Sanders is yammering. He should have turned to her and asked if her Immodium has failed her, or that he is sad she is lactose intolerant.

What a hag.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 21, 2015 10:28 PM (7lqMl)

368 Are land mines in vogue? I should get some more because I keep forgetting where I put them.
--------
Just kind of walk a serpentine pattern out in your front yard. Sooner or later you'll find them.

Posted by: Old Blue at December 21, 2015 10:28 PM (9iR5/)

369 This is not about punishment, it is proper risk management.
Posted by: Lea at December 21, 2015 10:18 PM (aUjAM)

Lea nailed it. The first concern of our government should not be "being fair" to foreigners, but the safety and well being of Americans.

I agree that ideally the Muslims who helped us at great danger to themselves and the persecuted Christians should be admitted - but since the bastard in chief sez no religious tests* I don't trust the government to make those distinctions.

*Of course the Obama admin has religious tests. Remember the homeschooling German Christian family they tried to deport? Now there was a danger to national security!

Posted by: Donna&&&&V (a white) (whitely brandishing ampersand privilege ) at December 21, 2015 10:28 PM (P8951)

370 So if we don't do that minimal amount of due diligence, then...





Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 21, 2015 10:25 PM (AkOaV)

...then I would hope people would adopt a position somewhere between "broken status quo that isn't working" and "lazy religious tests which would do more harm than good"

Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:29 PM (uZNvH)

371 Chemjeff, I'm glad we agree.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 21, 2015 10:29 PM (BHl9S)

372 Didn't stop any protestants.

Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 10:25 PM (BTnAK)
Protestants didn't rewrite God's Word (as would be necessary to 'fix' islam), we returned to it.

Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2015 10:29 PM (ZbV+0)

373 I'm drunk. QWhatup morons?

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 21, 2015 10:29 PM (+eR2D)

374 provocation

Posted by: Hilary Clinton at December 21, 2015 10:29 PM (k092K)

375 "I am switching from a 12ga to an AR-15 for home defense because even #4 buck over penetrates. The neighbors frown on getting shot, even if by accident."

The Three Little Pigs called while you were out.

They said, "The Big Bad Wolf didn't get at us here in our sturdy brick house, and neither is any damn buckshot going to either."

Posted by: torquewrench at December 21, 2015 10:30 PM (noWW6)

376 I wonder if a factor in underestimating the danger of Islam is that a lot of people don't really take their personal religion seriously, assuming they even have one.


I think that is a lot of it.

Another issue is the assumption by many that the cultural values of the culture that they grew up in - based on Christian (and to a lesser extent Jewish) morality - is just "common sense," and have never thought carefully about where the definition of "good" and "evil" comes from. As a result, it is difficult to believe that other people why honestly and wholeheartedly subscribe to a radically different definition.

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 21, 2015 10:30 PM (bZ7mE)

377 364 they can pick and choose what they wish to follow as those hypothetical moderate muslims are doing now and condemn those who kill for Islam.

Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 10:30 PM (BTnAK)

378 Are land mines in vogue? I should get some more because I keep forgetting where I put them.
Posted by: t-bird at December 21, 2015 10:26 PM (9mTYi)


I think they're a war crime.

But then, so is beheading civilians like Obama's co-religionists do, so . . .

(semi-ironic, semi-serious smiley inserted here?)

Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 10:30 PM (s5o+q)

379 As Shirley pointed out, people would would be less desperate for "extreme" measures if they thought they had a competent and responsive govt that gave a crap about their safety.

Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 10:31 PM (OkKDg)

380 Oh, what the fuck are we having this discussion for again?
Here ChemJeff, I got you this CostCo sized bag of M&M's, but 10 of them are poisonous.

Bon Apetit.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 21, 2015 10:31 PM (kKHcp)

381 I'll be damned, another #1 buck fan. Better than OO I understand. Many don't even know it exists.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately
------------------

As an adolescent I used a 20 ga. side-by-side loaded with #3 buck to hunt whitetails in low country SC. It was perfectly effective. I think that 12 ga. is oversized for home defense, and the more pellets the better, if we are talking ranges under 50'. Truthfully, #4's might even be a better choice.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2015 10:31 PM (oFSUK)

382 "A 12 gauge, or even a 20 gauge, loaded with #00
buckshot is about the most devastating weapon, within its effective
range, ontga civilian can have.

Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine"


Don't know who you are, but, that's about right.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 10:31 PM (fqFkQ)

383 377. Look I know that won't happen. I 've read revelations, it's not going to go quietly.

Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 10:32 PM (BTnAK)

384 Oh crap, are we seriously doing this again? I swear, it is every freaking night around here.

Chemjeff, I like you, but dude, give it a rest.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 21, 2015 10:32 PM (+eR2D)

385 Allahu Akbar!

New Jersey police officers say Muslims DID celebrate 9/11 and eyewitness remembers cheers of 'Allahu Akbar!'

http://preview.tinyurl.com/j7rzkrf

Posted by: Ralph at December 21, 2015 10:17 PM (cWx6M)

======================

4K 3D or it didn't happen.

Sure, thousands of muslims world-wide celebrated, but not here.
Here we have magic dirt.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 21, 2015 10:32 PM (T78UI)

386 379
As Shirley pointed out, people would would be less desperate for
"extreme" measures if they thought they had a competent and responsive
govt that gave a crap about their safety.

Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 10:31 PM (OkKDg)

No I totally agree, Obumbles is making everything worse by insisting there's no problem here.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:32 PM (uZNvH)

387 Chemjeff, what's the downside to Americans if Muslim immigration is halted?

Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 10:32 PM (OkKDg)

388 And on that note, I'm out. I have no need for this stupid shit.

Happy Holidays, Morons. See you in a few weeks.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 21, 2015 10:33 PM (+eR2D)

389 I love my squatty potty.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 21, 2015 10:33 PM (FkBIv)

390 The Three Little Pigs called while you were out.

They said, "The Big Bad Wolf didn't get at us here in our sturdy brick house, and neither is any damn buckshot going to either."



Posted by: torquewrench
****
No sturdy brick houses here. Just thin walled dwellings stacked on top of each other.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 10:33 PM (hVdx9)

391 I'd recommend a tuned Mosin Nagant 91/30 for property defense. Cheap, plentiful ammo that hits like a truck through cover, effective out to 800m, makes a good club, simple, reliable, has a nasty bayonet, and most of all it allows you to turn one of the commies weapons against them. =)

Besides everyone should own at least 1 classic milsurp rifle.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at December 21, 2015 10:33 PM (A1Dcl)

392 >>doing this again? I swear, it is every freaking night around here.

Ha. I've missed most of them I guess.

Time to turn in anyhow. Night.

Posted by: Lea at December 21, 2015 10:34 PM (aUjAM)

393 382 "A 12 gauge, or even a 20 gauge, loaded with #00
buckshot is about the most devastating weapon, within its effective
range, ontga civilian can have.

Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine"


Don't know who you are, but, that's about right.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 10:31 PM (fqFkQ)
***
Clean-up's a bitch afterward, though. Aim for the belly, son, it's the last to move.

Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine at December 21, 2015 10:34 PM (lutOX)

394 I have placed the cigarettes on the small table, sir.
Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine
----------------

Well done, Jeeves, by jove, well done!

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2015 10:35 PM (oFSUK)

395 "I'm drunk. QWhatup morons?"

DG's drunk again. It's cute.



Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 10:35 PM (fqFkQ)

396 Did everything come out OK?

Posted by: Sanders Greeting Hillary! After Her Potty Break at December 21, 2015 10:35 PM (8aOqE)

397 Nite DG

Merry Xmas little sis

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 10:35 PM (voOPb)

398 I got you this CostCo sized bag of M&M's, but 10 of them are poisonous.

Bon Apetit.


Damn. Cuts right to the chase!

Posted by: t-bird at December 21, 2015 10:35 PM (9mTYi)

399 Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine at December 21, 2015 10:34 PM (lutOX)
--------
Tango9, is that you?

Posted by: Old Blue at December 21, 2015 10:36 PM (9iR5/)

400 "No sturdy brick houses here. Just thin walled dwellings stacked on top of each other."

But of course. The moral of the story being that before SHTF scenarios eventuate, people would do well to relocate to robust domiciling.

I've got my eye on this milsurp Minuteman missile silo.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 21, 2015 10:36 PM (noWW6)

401 I don't give a damn if Trump fails to meet some definition of "conservative". Conservatism failed. It failed to stop the Progressives, and it failed to maintain our institutions. Conservatism retreated from every battle and allowed the Progressives to take over every territory ceded to them.

We now have a society that has been radically transformed in very undesirable ways. I do not want to conserve it. I want to return it to a state that worked better for everyone. That requires radical change in the opposite direction.

I doubt Trump will do that, but at least he could take a wrecking ball to the institutions the Progressives have built.

Posted by: despair at December 21, 2015 10:36 PM (VrdxH)

402 I hereby state for the record that I take chemjeff's comments and reservations very, very seriously.

I think he's off-base, but I do not think he is way out there.

Islam, fundamentalist Islam, now THAT is way, way out there.

Chemjeff, he's just trying too hard to be nice, IMHO.

And I'm running out of rum. Damn.

Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 10:36 PM (s5o+q)

403 391 I'd recommend a tuned Mosin Nagant 91/30 for property defense. Cheap, plentiful ammo that hits like a truck through cover, effective out to 800m, makes a good club, simple, reliable, has a nasty bayonet, and most of all it allows you to turn one of the commies weapons against them. =)

Besides everyone should own at least 1 classic milsurp rifle.
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at December 21, 2015 10:33 PM (A1Dcl)
***
It's a bit much. They make good trunk or truck guns, and I love their simplicity - almost a piece of agricultural equipment, really. But that's a whole lotta round right there......

Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine at December 21, 2015 10:37 PM (lutOX)

404 I'd recommend a tuned Mosin Nagant 91/30 for property defense. Cheap, plentiful ammo that hits like a truck through cover, effective out to 800m, makes a good club, simple, reliable, has a nasty bayonet, and most of all it allows you to turn one of the commies weapons against them. =)

Besides everyone should own at least 1 classic milsurp rifle.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston
****

Got that covered x3

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 10:37 PM (hVdx9)

405 I guarantee you that Trump will go there with Hillary. The Depends and Immodium thing, I mean. He would ask her on stage during the big debate during the general, if her Depends were full and she needed a break.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 21, 2015 10:37 PM (dvuhZ)

406 Anyone have a .17 riffle?

Ammo readily available?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 10:37 PM (voOPb)

407
398 I got you this CostCo sized bag of M&M's, but 10 of them are poisonous.

Bon Apetit.

Damn. Cuts right to the chase!
Posted by: t-bird at December 21, 2015 10:35 PM (9mTYi)


Hell. There's only one poisonous one. Would you still start eating them?

Posted by: Buzzion at December 21, 2015 10:37 PM (z/Ubi)

408 Now that I think about it...and I could have done it as have been blessed with talent...Sanders should have done a hand farht for every step she took to the podium. Sorry!

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 21, 2015 10:37 PM (7lqMl)

409 ...then I would hope people would adopt a position somewhere between "broken status quo that isn't working" and "lazy religious tests which would do more harm than good"
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:29 PM (uZNvH)

Yeah, but as we've seen with our immigration laws, if the government just refuses to follow the law and the will of the people... I don't know the answer.

I'm just saying that's the other side of the argument.

Personally, I think there are Muslims who we should admit to the US -- like our interpreters who we promised entrance to the US if they helped our soldiers in Afghanistan. But apparently they're low priority.

Instead we get the San Bernardino chick and countless other Muslims who hate us. While our terps languish.

So like I said, I don't know the answer. but "ban on all refugees and immigrants from Muslim countries" does not seem unreasonable to me. At least until we can put in place a verified system that we can all be reasonably confident in.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 21, 2015 10:37 PM (AkOaV)

410 380
Oh, what the fuck are we having this discussion for again?

Here ChemJeff, I got you this CostCo sized bag of MM's, but 10 of them are poisonous.



Bon Apetit.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 21, 2015 10:31 PM (kKHcp)




384
Oh crap, are we seriously doing this again? I swear, it is every freaking night around here.

Chemjeff, I like you, but dude, give it a rest.


Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 21, 2015 10:32 PM (+eR2D)


I like you all too but to be honest we don't have this discussion "every freaking night" and I believe each individual should be evaluated on his/her own merits, which means taking the bag of M and M's and judging each one to see if it is poisonous or not.

Someone around here has to stand up for the libertarian belief that every individual deserves a modicum of dignity. Not to say that every individual's beliefs are equivalent (they aren't) or that every individual has a right to be here (they don't), only to say that every individual is a human being with sincerely held beliefs that while we may not agree with them, we shouldn't punish either. that is all.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:37 PM (uZNvH)

411 "I'd recommend a tuned Mosin Nagant 91/30 for property defense."

Even if you don't hit any of the goblins, they will be sitting around in a dazed stupor from the muzzle blast alone.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 21, 2015 10:38 PM (noWW6)

412 This has been a great discussion. It's so great to be able to comment again, even if it's only from my phone, which makes commenting torturous.

I've missed chatting with you guys. Unfortunately I have to go now.

Posted by: chique testing testing at December 21, 2015 10:38 PM (OkKDg)

413 Yes, but the Protestants didn't have to totally
re-write both the Old and New Testaments, the way the Muslims will have
to re-write the Koran in order to accomplish a hypothetical Islamic
Reformation.
Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 10:27 PM (s5o+q)



I've been wondering if there could be a plausible argument for reverse abrogation. Instead of the 'kill the infidels' Medina verses taking precedence, the earlier peace and love Medina verses do. If I recall correctly, Allah got 99 name but bitch ain't one. Surely one of them is Guardian of Space-Time and maybe Allah meant for the Koran to be some reverse Memento shit. The Koran doesn't really have a linear narrative so it's not totally implausible.

Posted by: mugiwara at December 21, 2015 10:38 PM (9eF7E)

414 399 Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine at December 21, 2015 10:34 PM (lutOX)
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Tango9, is that you?
Posted by: Old Blue at December 21, 2015 10:36 PM (9iR5/)
***
Not as far as i know....

Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine at December 21, 2015 10:38 PM (lutOX)

415 DG's drunk again. It's cute.





Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 10:35 PM (fqFkQ)



Excuse me, I am cute drunk AND sober. So there.

Why am I still here?

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 21, 2015 10:39 PM (+eR2D)

416 You've all probably met someone who, when asked what religion they are,
replies something like "I'm a Baptist. But I don't go to church; I don't
believe in all that organized rigamarole." They are sorta Christians,
but don't spend a whole lot of time examining their belief or spend any
time trying to follow all the tenets.

Then something happens to
them (internally or externally), and they become Born Again or even go
full bore and join the priesthood or a nunnery. They become devout. I do
not fear these people. Their religious intensity poses no personal risk
to me or mine.

I also think that quite a few muslims fall into
the 'sorta' category. And I don't fear those muslims. But if they become
or are devout, they become dangerous to everyone around them.
Non-devout spouses or children, infidels, other muslim sects, apostates,
blasphemers -- Any or all of these triggers may set them off to act
violently.

And since devoutness is a wholly internal affair, how
can you tell when one muslim is a danger to others? Even non-devout
muslims retain that latency of change in intensity of belief.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 21, 2015 10:39 PM (gyKtp)

417 Now Hear This....SKS...that is all

Posted by: Mr. Wizard at December 21, 2015 10:39 PM (hCdMd)

418 Fredo takes the prize for gun salesman of the decade. If not the century.

Herself will keep arms manufacturing businesses running a second shift.

Posted by: Hank at December 21, 2015 10:39 PM (aUcgj)

419 Not saying OO or #4 buck isn't any good, but prefer #1 buck myself.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 10:39 PM (hVdx9)

420 Some folks need killin.

Posted by: @votermom at December 21, 2015 10:40 PM (cbfNE)

421 No sturdy brick houses here. Just thin walled dwellings stacked on top of each other.
Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 10:33 PM (hVdx9)

It's unlikely a mid-caliber rifle round or handgun round will make it through your walls and through your neighbors walls if you shoot inside the house.

Maybe... but I wouldn't worry too much.

Also, if you carry hollow point the bullets are even less likely to penetrate.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 21, 2015 10:40 PM (AkOaV)

422 398 I got you this CostCo sized bag of MM's, but 10 of them are poisonous.



Bon Apetit.

This. Even if every individual candy has rights. Sometimes - you gotta' play the odds.

Even if DC politicians try to skew the rules to let the hot chocolate ones in.

Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 10:41 PM (qmMG2)

423 MH: Re: .22 check out a Henry supposed to be pretty damn good.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 21, 2015 10:41 PM (ucDmr)

424 "every individual is a human being with sincerely held beliefs that while we may not agree with them, we shouldn't punish either"

Ed Gein had sincerely held beliefs.


Posted by: torquewrench at December 21, 2015 10:41 PM (noWW6)

425 I have home defense guns.

Looking for a little plinking riffle
My .22 was my grandpas an old Marlin 22 single shot
Looking to move up is all

I have s&w .22 semi auto pistol as well
Would like to get back into squirrel hunting

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 10:41 PM (voOPb)

426 I'd recommend a tuned Mosin Nagant 91/30 for property defense. Cheap, plentiful ammo that hits like a truck through cover, effective out to 800m, makes a good club, simple, reliable, has a nasty bayonet, and most of all it allows you to turn one of the commies weapons against them. =)


I would tend to prefer a Mauser or an Enfield over a m91/30, but otherwise would agree with you. Bolt-actions are under-rated these days, I think. Of course I am biased.

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 21, 2015 10:41 PM (bZ7mE)

427 401 I don't give a damn if Trump fails to meet some definition of "conservative". Conservatism failed. It failed to stop the Progressives, and it failed to maintain our institutions. Conservatism retreated from every battle and allowed the Progressives to take over every territory ceded to them.

We now have a society that has been radically transformed in very undesirable ways. I do not want to conserve it. I want to return it to a state that worked better for everyone. That requires radical change in the opposite direction.

I doubt Trump will do that, but at least he could take a wrecking ball to the institutions the Progressives have built.
Posted by: despair at December 21, 2015 10:36 PM (VrdxH)


Conservatism hasn't failed.

Conservatism, except for the rather weak-tea version of the Reagan Administration, hasn't even been tried.

What has failed is GOPe-ism. Go-along-ism. Democrat-lite-ism. Walk-towards-the-cliff rather than Run-off-the-cliff-ism.

The Republican Party Establishment has utterly, completely, totally, unequivocally, failed.

Which means that the Republican Party has failed.

Who's Got Next?

Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 10:41 PM (s5o+q)

428 "lazy religious tests which would do more harm than good"
---
What harm is there *to us* in barring muslims access to the country?

Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2015 10:42 PM (ZbV+0)

429 Anyone have a .17 riffle?



Ammo readily available?"


.17s are good and ammo is okay, Fun little shooters.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 10:42 PM (fqFkQ)

430 So if the Hajj has taught us anything, the next time there's a pilgrimage to the Vatican or
Jerusalem where 1000+ foreigners get stampeded into oblivion,
the prudent thing would be to utilize woodchippers to hastily bring the festivities back into
order?

Posted by: Fritz at December 21, 2015 10:42 PM (BngQR)

431 >>>>I like you all too but to be honest we don't have this discussion "every freaking night" and I believe each individual should be evaluated on his/her own merits, which means taking the bag of M and M's and judging each one to see if it is poisonous or not.
_____

The method to check them does not exist. Yet you are demanding that we all start eating. How are you so obtuse that you are incapable of comprehending this?

Posted by: Buzzion at December 21, 2015 10:42 PM (z/Ubi)

432 Chemjeff, he's just trying too hard to be nice, IMHO.

IMO it's not about being "nice". There are plenty of evil individuals out there who don't deserve to be treated "nice". They should be treated with extreme prejudice. But only after we understand that it is based on their own individual actions that they should be treated thusly. It is really about human dignity. This cuts both ways.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:42 PM (uZNvH)

433 Chavez $400++ for a Henry .22 ouch

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 10:42 PM (voOPb)

434 415 DG's drunk again. It's cute.





Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 10:35 PM (fqFkQ)


Excuse me, I am cute drunk AND sober. So there.

Why am I still here?
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 21, 2015 10:39 PM (+eR2D)
****
Because you've been waiting to meet me?

Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine at December 21, 2015 10:42 PM (lutOX)

435 I missed all the good threads traveling today.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Sooth! at December 21, 2015 10:42 PM (9xFD7)

436 I only ask that as a matter of national policy that we strive to judge each individual on his/her own merits to the best of our abilities.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:17 PM (uZNvH)

National policy is not about individuals. It is about groups, nations, and regions. It's absurd to think that the gov't can individually vet more than an extremely small number of people. Constantly repeating this refrain won't make it reality.

As others have repeatedly pointed out, Muslims follow a religion that if followed, is dangerous to us. It's not our job to figure out how to vet them. It's their job to change Islam. And it's not going to happen if we keep thinking it's just a few bad apples.

Posted by: WOPR at December 21, 2015 10:43 PM (LTDSy)

437 433: Buy the best. Buy once.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 21, 2015 10:43 PM (ucDmr)

438 Looking for a little plinking riffle

Might I suggest ... the HighPoint 995 ?

It's cheap. It's ugly. And it's American Made and works every damn day.

You know. Kind of like us.

Posted by: Irony at December 21, 2015 10:44 PM (qmMG2)

439 It's unlikely a mid-caliber rifle round or handgun round will make it through your walls and through your neighbors walls if you shoot inside the house.

Maybe... but I wouldn't worry too much.

Also, if you carry hollow point the bullets are even less likely to penetrate.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes
****

A rifle is easier to shoot under stress.
The AR-15 has less recoil than a 12ga
It also has higher ammo capacity.
If the bad guy moves and I miss, I'd hate for a neighbor to catch the bullet.
That is mush less likely with the .223.
Handgun bullets will blow thru multiple walls with ease.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 10:44 PM (hVdx9)

440 Anyways, I'm out for real. I've lurked on a number of these threads where we've rehashed the Muslim and Trump thing over and over and over and no one ever gets anywhere.

So I'm going to go read, for real this time.


Merry Christmas, everyone. And Happy New Year. My family comes in tomorrow so doubt I'll be around for a while. Love you guys.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 21, 2015 10:44 PM (+eR2D)

441 Excuse me, I am cute drunk AND sober. So there.

Why am I still here?
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 21, 2015 10:39 PM (+eR2D)


So . . .

cute, sober girl hangs around with old drunk guys . . .

hmm . . .

Where the hell's that ONT?

Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 10:45 PM (s5o+q)

442 I like you all too but to be honest we don't have this discussion "every freaking night"....

Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:37 PM (uZNvH)

Lol, in terms of recent history, just about.

Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 10:45 PM (C3E0x)

443 Think I will check out savage & Ruger.

Perhaps an AR next year before they are banned

Thanks folks for your input

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 10:45 PM (voOPb)

444 It is really about human dignity. This cuts both ways.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:42 PM (uZNvH)

Human dignity doesn't mean they get to come to this country. It means we won't glass them for what they believe as long as they keep it in their country.

Posted by: WOPR at December 21, 2015 10:46 PM (LTDSy)

445 Excuse me, I am cute drunk AND sober. So there.

Why am I still here?
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 21, 2015 10:39 PM (+eR2D)

If so, where the hell is husband? I would have tied you to the bed 2 hours ago.

Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 10:46 PM (C3E0x)

446 I remember well the little party at my house in H.S. while my parents were out of town. It was a military housing triplex. A friend decided he was going to do a little quick-draw with my dad's .44 magnum. The round he accidentally discharged went trough the wall and into the water pipe next door.

Bot, was I ever in trouble.

Posted by: Hank at December 21, 2015 10:47 PM (aUcgj)

447 I had neck injection today & anesthetic wore off & I feel horrible.

Chemjeff,
We the USA do not make illegals & refuges assimilate to our ways. That is why most don't want them here.

My grandparents & greatgrandparents, different sides, came to U. S. In late 19th century or early 20th century. They had to assimilate, learn English, pass medical tests & be humiliated according to an Italian neighbor who came here in 1956, had to prove that her father had trade & sponsor that would support them.

I want that law back & that SOB Ted Kennedy, my former senator was behind most of the worse laws of 20th century.

I've been trying, unsuccessfully, all afternoon to take a nap.

Good Night!

Assimilate, learn English & get a job & we can take some.

Posted by: Carol at December 21, 2015 10:47 PM (sj3Ax)

448 I'm a fan of the AK action. Simple and light, rugged and reliable. And as accurate as you need at reasonable distances.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Sooth! at December 21, 2015 10:48 PM (9xFD7)

449 I might be getting a little tired of all Trump and Muzzies all the time too. Probably should be spending more time reading up on guns and writing about the coming war.

Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 10:48 PM (C3E0x)

450 I'm content with shotguns on emac floor. 3" magnum 4 shot

Servicemaster cleans up & is covered by insurance

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 10:48 PM (voOPb)

451 their own individual actions that they should be treated thusly.

Name a disqualifying personal action. And you may not pick 'detonation'.

Posted by: t-bird at December 21, 2015 10:49 PM (n22zQ)

452 Think I will check out savage & Ruger.

Perhaps an AR next year before they are banned

Thanks folks for your input

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian
****

If you can swing it now, I would get an AR-15. Prices are obscenely low and seems to have bottom.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 10:50 PM (hVdx9)

453 There are a bazillion .22's out there, a lot of them in tactical garb. I strongly suspect the the Ruger 10/22 is the most popular. It's a good little rifle.
*holds breath, skips Tinyurl*
http://www.ruger.com/products/1022Sporter/models.html

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2015 10:50 PM (oFSUK)

454 IMO it's not about being "nice". There are plenty of evil individuals out there who don't deserve to be treated "nice". They should be treated with extreme prejudice. But only after we understand that it is based on their own individual actions that they should be treated thusly. It is really about human dignity. This cuts both ways.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:42 PM (uZNvH)


Matthew 7:16

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Sorry to go Biblical on you, but "from your works you shall know them" sort of triggered that. I didn't even realize that the whole section began with "Beware of false prophets."

Spooky.

Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 10:51 PM (s5o+q)

455 Tilikum what caliber do you recommend?,

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 10:51 PM (voOPb)

456 "Excuse me, I am cute drunk AND sober. So there.



Why am I still here?

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hard"


Well you told me off.

*Out myself*

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 10:51 PM (fqFkQ)

457 443
I got my A/R before CA bans them but it has that stupid bullet button magazine release. My friend told me I can get some sort of tool/magnet thing so you can drop the mag without a bullet.
Also Obama 's pic is in the local gun store that reads salesman of the year.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 21, 2015 10:51 PM (BHl9S)

458 448 I'm a fan of the AK action. Simple and light, rugged and reliable. And as accurate as you need at reasonable distances.
Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Sooth! at December 21, 2015 10:48 PM (9xFD7)
***
I confess, it is difficult to argue with this....

Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine at December 21, 2015 10:51 PM (lutOX)

459 If you can swing it now, I would get an AR-15. Prices are obscenely low and seems to have bottom.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 10:50 PM (hVdx9)

Who makes a good AR at a good price?

Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 10:51 PM (C3E0x)

460 The method to check them does not exist. Yet you are
demanding that we all start eating. How are you so obtuse that you are
incapable of comprehending this?

Posted by: Buzzion at December 21, 2015 10:42 PM (z/Ubi)

I disagree with your premise. I do think that the government can do a better job than what it is currently doing with regards to evaluating each individual. If the government is truly and utterly unable to determine if a particular individual would be a danger to the country or not, then yes of course keep that person out. But that is not the case for every single Muslim.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:51 PM (uZNvH)

461 Also Obama 's pic is in the local gun store that reads salesman of the year.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 21, 2015 10:51 PM (BHl9S)

Also at every gun show.

Posted by: Blano at December 21, 2015 10:52 PM (C3E0x)

462 Chem Jeff just knows people he likes who want to bring their families in I m guessing. It's hard to be objective I'm sure. But when you are it's pretty clear we are at war and should adjust according to that reality.

Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 10:52 PM (BTnAK)

463 Damn I want a new gun

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 10:52 PM (voOPb)

464 Mis Hum.

If you want a Henry 22lr, they are 300.00
Blued barrel. Shrouded front sight.

I opted for the Golden Boy, and I don't regret it. I often call it my second favorite gun, because I take what I intend to shoot for a particular day and then just before I leave, I take the Henry too.

Smoothest action ever. Accurate as hell. Quiet. Fun. Super reliable, and can shoot any 22 other than mag.

You won't regret paying a little more.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at December 21, 2015 10:53 PM (kKHcp)

465 Trickier 10/22
http://www.ruger.com/products/1022RCS/models.html

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 21, 2015 10:53 PM (oFSUK)

466 Depends on what you want to use it for.

For home defense where neighbors/family are not a concern-7.62x39 or 300 AAC

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 10:54 PM (hVdx9)

467 "Because you've been waiting to meet me?"


Sick bastard.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 21, 2015 10:54 PM (fqFkQ)

468 There's your prob CJ. The government can do a better job.

What proof can you demonstrate that they are capable of that? You can't

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 10:54 PM (voOPb)

469 And I never said any noncitizen had a right to be here. They don't.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:54 PM (uZNvH)

470 Yeah, Henry's are nice. Out of the box the action on mine was like oiled glass.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Sooth! at December 21, 2015 10:55 PM (9xFD7)

471 yeah guys, dial down the creepy factor a bit will ya?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 21, 2015 10:55 PM (AkOaV)

472 I'm sure Assaad, who Obama has all but declared war on, will readily assist the US in vetting these hundreds of thousands of fine folks.

Posted by: mugiwara at December 21, 2015 10:56 PM (9eF7E)

473 468
There's your prob CJ. The government can do a better job.



What proof can you demonstrate that they are capable of that? You can't

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 10:54 PM (voOPb)

Because they aren't even as effective as your garden variety job interview. Which is just sad.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 10:56 PM (uZNvH)

474 462 Chem Jeff just knows people he likes who want to bring their families in I m guessing. It's hard to be objective I'm sure. But when you are it's pretty clear we are at war and should adjust according to that reality.
Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 10:52 PM (BTnAK)


I think he wants to consider each individual person, but is seriously uncomfortable with considering that the attribute "Muslim" is, frankly (IMHO here) a negative element in a person who seeks to operate in a classical-liberal culture such as the one we used to have here in the USA, and which we hope to restore one day hopefully sooner rather than later.

I personally don't think that's a defensible position, but he continues to try to defend it.

Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 10:56 PM (s5o+q)

475 What convinced me of scattergun/buck was when a good friend of the family, a medical examiner, was called upon to do the clean-up from an incident involving that combination.

He confessed that he heaved his guts out.

"Just a mess....I've seen men hit by trucks and trains who looked better."

Posted by: Your Uncle Palpatine at December 21, 2015 10:56 PM (lutOX)

476 454. Not spooky. That feeling your having is truth setting you free. Bro. It's a good feeling.

Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 10:56 PM (BTnAK)

477 Who makes a good AR at a good price?

Posted by: Blano
****

I have heard good things about S&W M&P Sport. You can get one for $600-$700.

I am almost done building my own AR, but it was a budget build.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 10:56 PM (hVdx9)

478 Tilikum Mostly just shooting up north in woods home defense I'm good

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 10:56 PM (voOPb)

479 The thing about the 'hq is... lots of guys act like they've been locked in prison for 25 years and haven't seen or talked to a woman since the '80s.

Heh.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 21, 2015 10:56 PM (AkOaV)

480 nood ont

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 21, 2015 10:57 PM (AkOaV)

481 If the government is truly and utterly unable to determine if a
particular individual would be a danger to the country or not, then yes
of course keep that person out.
---
The government is totally unwilling to make and effort. In the case of *every* mohammadan. Nothing you say is going to change that.

So you are choosing to grab a handful of M and Ms, and demand each of us do the same, basically because palin steele told us it was okay.

Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2015 10:57 PM (ZbV+0)

482 I disagree with your premise. I do think that the government can do a
better job than what it is currently doing with regards to evaluating
each individual.>>>

The next question is even with perfect procedures/rules do you trust the govt to follow them?

Posted by: Willy J. at December 21, 2015 10:59 PM (wHX4r)

483 468 There's your prob CJ. The government can do a better job.

What proof can you demonstrate that they are capable of that? You can't
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled by love at December 21, 2015 10:54 PM (voOPb)


And again why should we be letting them in when they aren't doing this job. It's obvious what chemjeff's position is. Keep letting them in even though there is no way in place to determine if they are going to go jihadi. That is stupid and insane. And rather pathetic lazy thinking.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 21, 2015 10:59 PM (z/Ubi)

484 474. Chem Jeff's persistence suggests a higher motivation factor than just philosophy. It's personal. Fits.

Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 11:00 PM (BTnAK)

485 Tilikum Mostly just shooting up north in woods home defense I'm good

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, bamboozled
****

In that case .223.
I saw an AR-15 rifle kit that has everything but the lower receiver for $380. Add Anderson MFG stripped lower and you can build a rifle for about $450.

Posted by: Tilikum Moderately Nefarious Killer Whale at December 21, 2015 11:01 PM (hVdx9)

486 Three cheers for SpaceX! What a thing, what an incredible thing!

Posted by: goon at December 21, 2015 11:03 PM (gy5kE)

487
And again why should we be letting them in when
they aren't doing this job. It's obvious what chemjeff's position is.
Keep letting them in even though there is no way in place to determine
if they are going to go jihadi. That is stupid and insane. And rather
pathetic lazy thinking.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 21, 2015 10:59 PM (z/Ubi)

I am saying that EVERYONE should be evaluated on his/her own merits - Christian, Muslim, Jew, it does not matter.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 11:03 PM (uZNvH)

488 484
474. Chem Jeff's persistence suggests a higher motivation factor than just philosophy. It's personal. Fits.

Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 11:00 PM (BTnAK)

It is "personal" in the sense that I do not want to be evaluated based on some group characteristics that I might share with others, I want to be evaluated on my own merits, good or bad. Don't you?

Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 11:04 PM (uZNvH)

489 Good God. Do we need a drill to get it through your skull?

Posted by: Buzzion at December 21, 2015 11:04 PM (z/Ubi)

490 I am saying that EVERYONE should be evaluated on his/her own merits - Christian, Muslim, Jew, it does not matter.>>>

I've got a 1973 Fiat I for sale. Does the Fiat pat scare you at least just a little to make some extra checks?

Posted by: Willy J. at December 21, 2015 11:04 PM (wHX4r)

491 I am amused by a self-identifying libertarian arguing that "the government can do a better job" at anything.
I thought libertarians understood that government is intrinsically opposed to liberty.

Posted by: @votermom at December 21, 2015 11:07 PM (cbfNE)

492 489
Good God. Do we need a drill to get it through your skull?

Posted by: Buzzion at December 21, 2015 11:04 PM (z/Ubi)

Perhaps you would stop misrepresenting my position...
I don't think that anyone at all should be let in, that is a slanderous lie.
I think everyone should be evaluated on his/her own merits, regardless of whatever religion that person belongs to.
If that person is a terrorist, then that person should be kept out, regardless if that person is a Christian, Jew or Muslim. Now I fully expect that there are more potential Muslim terrorists than there are potential Jewish terrorists. That's fine, they should all be kept out.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 11:07 PM (uZNvH)

493 The Lotto and Texas Holdem have the same odds of losing.

Posted by: Willy J. at December 21, 2015 11:09 PM (wHX4r)

494 Misrepresenting your position? You' burn strawmen left and right like crazy.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 21, 2015 11:10 PM (z/Ubi)

495 I am saying that EVERYONE should be evaluated on his/her own merits - Christian, Muslim, Jew, it does not matter.
---
There's no reason to treat mohammadans the same as Jews and Christians. Jew and Christians *are* western civilization. mohammadans are not.

The broader principle you are trying to invent does not exist.

Posted by: Methos at December 21, 2015 11:11 PM (ZbV+0)

496 And why would ISIS like Michael Moore? I'm sure he smells like a she goat in heat.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 21, 2015 09:42 PM (hJrjt)



She goat/he goat. It's all good.

Posted by: Hundreds of Millions of Muslim Men at December 21, 2015 11:11 PM (QWtgr)

497 I want to be evaluated on my own merits, good or bad. Don't you?

Except that you refuse to use any of those demerits, if they're of a particular flavor. It's weird.

Posted by: t-bird at December 21, 2015 11:12 PM (J3phO)

498 well I am going to bed, good night all
see you tomorrow
take care

Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 11:13 PM (uZNvH)

499 If that person is a terrorist, then that person should be kept out

There we go. Chemjeff wants to keep out terrorists. We're on the same side.

Posted by: t-bird at December 21, 2015 11:14 PM (J3phO)

500 488. Yep. It's personal and not just philosophical. Focus on the admission not the window dressing.

That said
Hey man it's okay. I feel for you. Doesn't mean you aren't entitled to be heard, but it's not going to change any minds. Give it a rest you will feel better when you stop beating your head into the wall.

Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 11:15 PM (BTnAK)

501 Re: SpaceX Launch . . .

Thank the Good Lord that nobody wore an inappropriate shirt while assisting in the launch and recovery.

Because that's what's REALLY important about such scientific advancements.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 21, 2015 11:16 PM (QWtgr)

502 Wonderful, Ace. The Conman Clown leading in the polls lies and exaggerates every day about everything and yet you only post about Clinton bullshitting, simply because you don't like her. Really outstanding!

Posted by: carlito at December 21, 2015 11:19 PM (MUJMq)

503 502. Silly. Do YOU not read the blog?

Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 11:22 PM (BTnAK)

504 Perhaps you would stop misrepresenting my position...
I don't think that anyone at all should be let in, that is a slanderous lie.
I think everyone should be evaluated on his/her own merits, regardless of whatever religion that person belongs to.
If that person is a terrorist, then that person should be kept out, regardless if that person is a Christian, Jew or Muslim. Now I fully expect that there are more potential Muslim terrorists than there are potential Jewish terrorists. That's fine, they should all be kept out.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 21, 2015 11:07 PM (uZNvH)


Herein lies your problem, I think.

"One of these things is not like the others, one of these things just doesn't belong . . ."

Islam is not JUST a "religion." It is a political-social-religious system, all wrapped up into one tightly wrapped package. It is what it is.

Now, SOME "Muslims" choose to IGNORE certain fundamental features of Islam, such as abrogation, although it's well known that the later, more "authoritative" verses of the Koran are far, far, FAR more strident, militant, and intolerant than the earlier verses.

But that does not mean that Islam, as a "religion," is in any conceivable way compatible with American classical liberal democratic republicanism.

It is not.

ISLAM IS DIFFERENT than any other religion on Earth. You really need to understand that. I'm starting to get the feeling that you don't.

You can jury-rig pretty much all the other major world's religions to be compatible with classical-liberalism. You can't do that with Islam. It's specifically in the Koran that any change to the Koran's doctrines is not allowed. I don't think any other religion actually closed off the avenues to reformation in quite that same unequivocal manner.

That's why it's different. That's why somebody who calls themselves a Muslim MUST endure a level of scrutiny in order to be admitted to a classical-liberal society that somebody from another religion maybe might avoid.

Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 11:23 PM (s5o+q)

505 Posted by: carlito at December 21, 2015 11:19 PM (MUJMq)

******

Concern status:

[X] Noted

Noob Lib.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 21, 2015 11:24 PM (YLidQ)

506 Um fil? Jeff went to bed.

Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 11:24 PM (BTnAK)

507 Thomas Reynolds: What will it take for us to walk out of here with that video tape?

Pintero: The end of the world.

Posted by: Robert Clayton Dean at December 21, 2015 11:26 PM (e8kgV)

508 507 what's that from?

Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 11:27 PM (BTnAK)

509 506 Um fil? Jeff went to bed.
Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 11:24 PM (BTnAK)[/i}

I had a rant left in the tank tonight. Better here than the ONT.

Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 11:28 PM (s5o+q)

510 Close italic

Posted by: filbert at December 21, 2015 11:28 PM (s5o+q)

511 Don't let him wind you up. He's got skin in the game so he working the refs.

Posted by: simplemind at December 21, 2015 11:29 PM (BTnAK)

512 It's not the first time she blamed islamic jihad on a video, and lied about it.

Posted by: dtih at December 21, 2015 11:49 PM (Nc/I5)

513 Everything Democrats don't like is always a "recruiting tool" for terrorists--Gitmo, Republican immigration policy, visa policy, free-speech cartoons, videos, etc.

How come gay marriage and women in combat are never "recruiting tools"?

Leave aside the fact.that Gitmo doesn't cause terrorists, terrorists cause Gitmo. And forget that $150 Billion to Iran is a pretty great terrorist recruiting tool. And never mind that a dead terrorist can't recruit anybody.

Maybe Democrats should ask themselves why they like the same policies as the terrorists.

Posted by: The Wolf Who Cried Boy at December 22, 2015 08:24 PM (BfPSD)

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