Overnight Open Thread (12-9-2015)

It Turns Out They Were Exactly Who We All Suspected They Were

Dark suspicions confirmed. So much for the just workplace violence due to a religious argument explana-bi. As well as the modified limited hangout that he simply got radicalized by a evil extremist foreign woman. Both now inoperative.

And note that this is their best we're-totally-not-America-hating-angry-Jihadis look for immigration control. I'd say that they clearly need to work on it but on the other hand it apparently worked well enough for them to get in so maybe I'm not the best judge in this area.

Leader of Paris Attacks Recruited His Terror Team From Refugees in Hungary

Just as we all suspected would happen.

A suspected ringleader of the deadly Paris attacks travelled to Hungary where he 'recruited a team' from unregistered migrants passing through the country, government officials say.
Salah Abdeslam, who remains on the run from European authorities, is believed to have visited Budapest's Keleti station, then left the country with the team he pulled together.
The development comes as evidence grows that ISIS jihadis are passing through Greece and the Balkans hidden among refugees fleeing the Syrian conflict.

The Real Reason Why Obama Gave That Speech: His Daily Polling Results Were Abysmal

As I suspected:

A plurality of likely voters, 43%, rated Obama's response to the San Bernardino attack as "poor." Only 34% called it excellent or good, with the rest describing his response as fair. So nearly two-thirds considered Obama's response to be fair or poor.

On the broader question of whether the San Bernardino massacre was mainly a terrorism problem (as conservatives believe) or a gun problem (as liberals insist), voters side with conservatives. Sixty-nine percent say San Bernardino was "primarily a terrorism issue," while only 20% call it "primarily a gun control issue."

How The NY Times Lies With the Truth

Nothing is inaccurate in this chart but it has been cleverly constructed to mislead and hide some key information from you.

Man all those extremists sure are an equally surly bunch. Oh wait - here Rusty at the Jawa Report adds a pertinent detail or two that clarifies just where the problem lies.

And it's pretty much just as tendentious and plotted as you suspected.

The day after the school massacre in Newtown, Conn., in December 2012, [publisher] Arthur [Sulzberger] was in my office. Would it be possible, he asked, for us to go bananas on guns for a while? (He actually used an earthier expression than bananas.) I said yes, and mobilized our editorial writers. In the next month, we published about 15 editorials on the subject of guns, gun violence and gun regulation.

Note that Sulzberger himself has a NYC gun carry permit which is pretty much restricted solely to the powerful and wealthy in the city. Because the aristos can handle guns - you can't.

Bookworm on Why Motives Matter and David French's Pyramid of Hate

This is why I find so infuriating the endless Leftist comparison between Syrian refugees and groups of people subject to historical discrimination. There was no evidence whatsoever that Holocaust era Jews, en masse, had a burning desire to destroy America. There was no evidence whatsoever that Irish Catholics were intent upon planting bombs across America. There was evidence that Iranians were a problem, so Jimmy Carter banned them to protests from . . . nobody.

While there are many innocent Syrians, the reality is that (a) Muslims really do hate us, and in dangerous numbers, and (b) Syrian Muslims really hate us, in a weaponized way.

And then you have the pyramid:

To understand the Muslim edifice of hate, imagine it as a pyramid - with broadly-shared bigotry at the bottom, followed by stair steps of escalating radicalism - culminating in jihadist armies that in some instances represent a greater share of their respective populations than does the active-duty military in the United States.

How an SAS Team Tracked and Killed the ISIS Executioner, Jihadi John

Nano-helicopters.

And the secret weapon used to identify Jihadi John was a 1lb helicopter drone launched by the soldiers.
The daring mission began in darkness on November 11 when two US Chinook helicopters skimmed low across the Syrian desert to land at an isolated spot.

Avoiding all roads, the team of soldiers drove in desert buggies 35 miles south towards Raqqa. At about 3am, they 'dug in' five miles outside the city, where they remained undetected.

The following evening, while the rest of the team were on lookout, one man assembled four 3ft nano-helicopters with infrared and night-vision cameras in the nose. They were pre-programmed to fly to Jihadi John's hideout - a six-storey building in Raqqa.

The first drone set off towards its target, then entered 'hover and stare' mode, recording the movements of IS suspects at a building near the Sharksa mosque.
It beamed footage by satellite back to SAS HQ in Hereford and the US Central Command in Doha, Qatar.

As curious as I am to know the story I wish they wouldn't go into such detail here. Unless it's really all misdirection anyway.

Tom Friedman Has Another Foreign Person Anecdote That Just Happens To Make His Point Perfectly

For those of you who picked Taxi Driver in this week's Friedman anecdote pool sorry you're out.

Merkel's Government Approves Special Labeling Requirement For Israeli Products

No other country has such requirements for 'disputed territories'. There can only be one reason for doing this: to make it easier for BDS boycotts.

Kowtowing in the South China Sea

Welcome to low-T nation status.

In response to China's actions, Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter declared in May that "the United States will fly, sail, and operate wherever international law allows, as U.S. forces do all over the world." It took five months for the administration to back up that declaration, but it finally appeared to have done so when the Lassen sailed close to Subi Reef in what we all assumed was a Freedom of Navigation operation.
But Dean Cheng of the Heritage Foundation has pointed out that the Lassen voyage, far from effectively contesting China's sovereignty claims, may actually have validated them, because when the Lassen passed by Subi Reef it turned off its radar and grounded its helicopters. If so, that would make the sailing not a Freedom of Navigation patrol but an "innocent passage."
The point is not arcane. When naval vessels sail in international waters, they are free to conduct normal operations. When they want to sail through another country's territorial waters, they must make an "innocent passage" by severely curtailing their normal range of activities. That appears to be just what the Lassen did, and if so, the effect of the voyage was to recognize de facto that Subi Reef is Chinese territory, in contradiction to international law and America's declared policy, and to the detriment of America's vital national interests in the region.

Classic Iowahawk: Feed Your Family on $10 Billion a Day

Seems like these days I hear a lot of whiney whiners whining about "out of control government spending" and "insane deficits" and such, trying to make hay out of a bunch of pointy-head boring finance hooey. Sure, $3.7 trillion of spending sounds like a big number. "Oh, boo-hoo, how are we going to get $3.7 trillion dollars? We're broke, boo-hoo-hoo," whine the whiners. What these skinflint crybabies fail to realize is that $3.7 trillion is for an entire year - which translates into only a measly $10 billion per day!
Mister, I call that a bargain. Especially since it pays for all of us - you and me, the whole American family. Like all families, we Americas have to pay for things - health, food, safety, uncle Dave America with his drinking problem. And when little Billy America wants that new quad runner they promised, do Mom and Dad America deny him? No, they get a second job at Circle K, because they know little Billy might have one of his episodes and burn down the house.
So let's all sit down together as an American family with a calendar and make a yearly budget. First, let's lock in the $3.7 trillion of critical family spending priorities; now let's get to work on collecting the pay-as-we-go $10 billion daily cash flow we need.

Behind Those Awful Album Cover Lists

An interesting look at the people behind the covers and a reminder that they were/are in fact real people with complete lives beyond just a cheesy album cover.

Freddie Gage's claim to fame among most internet users is the album cover for the audio version of his book All My Friends Are Dead, which is understandably a little morose and a bit on-the-nose for most people. But Gage, nonetheless, had a career as a preacher that lasted decades, one predicated on the early lessons he learned as a former gang member in the Houston area.

"He was blunt," fellow Rev. John Bisagno told The Houston Chronicle after Gage's death last year. "He didn't put things in theological terms but in street language that they all could really understand. He didn't pull any punches. Second only to Billy Graham, Freddie Gage was undoubtedly the most successful evangelist of the '50s, '60s and '70s."

27 Unspoken Suit Rules Every Man Should Know

Actually they must be spoken at some point or else no one would ever know them.

Greetings From the Best Ski Resort in Africa

The Group knows your sins but doesn't care.

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Posted by: Maetenloch at 11:20 PM

Comments

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1 Spin wheel, spin!

Posted by: Ed Grimley at December 09, 2015 11:21 PM (rwI+c)

2 Third!

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2015 11:21 PM (sdi6R)

3 Wait a second. A comment got deleted already?

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2015 11:21 PM (sdi6R)

4 Top Ten, easily.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 09, 2015 11:22 PM (gyKtp)

5 Maet, in the ONT, with the content.

And there is much rejoicing, with grousing to follow if the ONT follows form.

Posted by: Who killed Ace's long running open thread? at December 09, 2015 11:22 PM (Ojki1)

6 Turned out they are who we thought they were?

Obama knew this before his speech.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 09, 2015 11:23 PM (T78UI)

7 Wait a second. A comment got deleted already?

I'll take the first any way I can get it.

Posted by: Grump928(C) does stream of consciousness at December 09, 2015 11:23 PM (rwI+c)

8 Hola, amigoz en loz intertuboz!

Today was pretty good -- I got my dashboard put back together (and the car still runs!) and got a Raspberry Pi to drive a stepper motor two revolutions. Whee!

Posted by: cthulhu at December 09, 2015 11:23 PM (EzgxV)

9 And 60% of primary voting Pubbies would vote for Trump.

Posted by: Ralph at December 09, 2015 11:23 PM (HaNEn)

10 Evenin' everyone.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 09, 2015 11:23 PM (YJmuy)

11 Ola...

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 09, 2015 11:23 PM (OA1ue)

12 Would it be possible, he asked, for us to go bananas on guns for a while? (He actually used an earthier expression than bananas.)

"Full retard"?

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 09, 2015 11:24 PM (6FqZa)

13 A good one some commenter came up with today --

She got into the US on a K1 visa? It shoulda been a K9 visa.

Woof.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 09, 2015 11:24 PM (gyKtp)

14 Tom Friedman relies on anecdotes to reach his conclusions? I thought we were not supposed to do that?

Posted by: Thad Buffet at December 09, 2015 11:24 PM (u8kAA)

15 Thank you for rescuing us.

Posted by: Lauren at December 09, 2015 11:25 PM (Kqit+)

16 CNN has an article up about how the father of one of the killers would've killed his own son had he known about what was coming.

I think that's sort of weird.

Why not turn him into the authorities so they could shut down the cell?

It's like it's violence all the way down with these people.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 09, 2015 11:25 PM (4ErVI)

17 "A comment got deleted already? "

Let's us watch our asses.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 09, 2015 11:26 PM (OA1ue)

18 You have a pyramid you have a pyramid scheme.

Posted by: Ralph at December 09, 2015 11:28 PM (HaNEn)

19 How an SAS Team Tracked and Killed the ISIS Executioner, Jihadi John

Jihadi John was a Pirates fan?

I know they've had a bad spell in recent years, but that's no excuse to go around beheading people.

I'm a Phillies fan, and despite the last couple of disastrous seasons, I haven't had the urge to behead anyone.

Yet.

We'll see in 2016.

Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2015 11:28 PM (sdi6R)

20 what up ont

first night back on the rig

Posted by: the real ch3 at December 09, 2015 11:28 PM (0FwOD)

21 I'm sure there was much stupidity in the world today. Nightstalker morons please have it all solved by tomorrow morning. Thanks.

Posted by: dogfish at December 09, 2015 11:28 PM (0O2Lr)

22 Darn it, I took time to read the content. I could have been a contendah!!!

Posted by: oldbuffalo at December 09, 2015 11:29 PM (/pOl7)

23 Turned out they are who we thought they were?

I keep telling people

Posted by: Dennis Green at December 09, 2015 11:29 PM (ZbV+0)

24 As curious as I am to know the story I wish they wouldn't go into such detail here. Unless it's really all misdirection anyway.

Science fiction.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 09, 2015 11:29 PM (T78UI)

25 Hi all!

Maet, looks like a good ONT. Time to read content.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 09, 2015 11:29 PM (AkOaV)

26 Are the Germans using the Yellow Star again?

Of all places to start this is fucking unfathomable.

Posted by: Willy J. at December 09, 2015 11:30 PM (wHX4r)

27 Ken -- By Request Only.

I lolled.

Posted by: eleven at December 09, 2015 11:30 PM (qUNWi)

28 Oops sorry. The father of one of the Paris killers.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 09, 2015 11:31 PM (4ErVI)

29 I'm sure there was much stupidity in the world today. Nightstalker
morons please have it all solved by tomorrow morning. Thanks.

Uh, sure. Just leave me the football on your way out.

Posted by: Methos at December 09, 2015 11:31 PM (ZbV+0)

30 Merkel's Government Approves Special Labeling Requirement For Israeli Products

A yellow star.

Posted by: buzzion at December 09, 2015 11:31 PM (zt+N6)

31 Ed Grimley is in the house?

I must say! That's really great!

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...not Spartacus at December 09, 2015 11:31 PM (+1T7c)

32 Amusing to see all the GOPes consistently not understand how to handle Trump. Rush has been on to this all along and I hope Rush writes a book someday to tell us his backstory of 2015-16.

Posted by: Grumpy old man at December 09, 2015 11:31 PM (WQ7Wn)

33 Merkel's pro-Islamic government is more consciously and demonstrably Judenfrei than a PEGIDA government would be.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 09, 2015 11:31 PM (6FqZa)

34 That fucker Bob Nutting traded Neil Walker.

Posted by: Jihadi John at December 09, 2015 11:32 PM (hy5nE)

35 "first night back on the rig"

Having any fun? Where the rig at now?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 09, 2015 11:33 PM (Xs6Ec)

36 I'm a Phillies fan, and despite the last couple of disastrous seasons, I haven't had the urge to behead anyone.

Yet.

We'll see in 2016.
Posted by: rickl at December 09, 2015 11:28 PM (sdi6R)

I know aN Iggles fan who, while not ready to join a hunt actively, might be more than a little sympathetic to Chip Kelly being on such a list (In effigy anyway...I think...)

Posted by: Bete resigned to just watching the world burn at December 09, 2015 11:33 PM (Ojki1)

37 Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 09, 2015 11:33 PM (Xs6Ec)

same place i left it a month ago. we're drilling a 3 well pad outside of midland

Posted by: the real ch3 at December 09, 2015 11:34 PM (0FwOD)

38 Our government supports terrorists and considers us to be the enemy.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 09, 2015 11:34 PM (RU5ki)

39 I don't know WTH this means or if I care, Trump added me to his " Obama plays basketball list,"

I enjoy Trump screwing up media but will vote my Primary Vote for Ted Cruz. Trump will probably win in Massachusetts because he's had two SRO events here since late August.

I think he's undisciplined & spouts out what ever he may think at the moment.

I apologize, I'm watching Season 2, Episode 1 of Fargo. It was only $9.99 for all 20 episodes.

Back to Fargo. I may be back early am. I've been waking up at 4 am lately.
Good Night!

Posted by: Carol at December 09, 2015 11:34 PM (sj3Ax)

40 Also amusing - but sad - to see how many supposedly smart people think a US president can't keep aliens out constitutionally - on virtually any grounds. Enjoyed watching Laura Ingraham show up Geraldo on this tonight.

Posted by: Grumpy old man at December 09, 2015 11:35 PM (WQ7Wn)

41 >>CNN has an article up about how the father of one of the killers would've killed his own son had he known about what was coming.

Talk is cheap.

Posted by: Aviator at December 09, 2015 11:35 PM (c7vUv)

42 I'm so glad the media keeps showing that picture with the wart faced women. It is so sympathetic.
She is the female face of ISIS.

Posted by: Ralph at December 09, 2015 11:35 PM (HaNEn)

43 Stroking the monkey for 10 to 12 hours a day.

Now that's dedication. And a very sore dick.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 09, 2015 11:35 PM (gyKtp)

44 A yellow star.

Posted by: buzzion

Well, I heard there was a yellow rose in Texas.

Just sayin'.

Our friends in Europe are constantly saying that fascism is coming to America, yet, it always seems to show up in Europe somewhere.

Germany is going to follow France with an election convulsion. Ms Merkel is not nearly as popular as Time magazine thinks.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...not Spartacus at December 09, 2015 11:35 PM (+1T7c)

45 I work with three pretty cute Islamo chicks (only one wheres a hijab, the rest are all cool.)

These jihadis can really pick 'em.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 09, 2015 11:35 PM (XtRoV)

46 I have no need to wear a suit.

Posted by: Thad Buffet at December 09, 2015 11:36 PM (u8kAA)

47 38 Our government supports terrorists and considers us to be the enemy.

Did you miss last semester with mono or something?

Posted by: eleven at December 09, 2015 11:36 PM (qUNWi)

48 Our government supports terrorists and considers us to be the enemy.

Posted by: Cicero

That's racist, constituent.

Posted by: bearded Ryan at December 09, 2015 11:36 PM (9YDUz)

49 Ceres, our first dwarf planet, is salty:
http://gizmodo.com/we-finally-have-the-full-story-on-ceres-mysterious-brig-1746997700

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 09, 2015 11:37 PM (6FqZa)

50 Maetenloch,
I sent you an email this morning. I hope you read it. I honestly have no idea, after all these years, what times zone you're in.

Posted by: Carol at December 09, 2015 11:38 PM (sj3Ax)

51 >>I have no need to wear a suit.
Posted by: Thad Buffet

Me neither.

Last one in the pool is a rotten egg!

Posted by: Joe Biden at December 09, 2015 11:38 PM (c7vUv)

52 What is it with salt?

Posted by: eleven at December 09, 2015 11:38 PM (qUNWi)

53 Aaron's theme?

Strokin' strokin' strokin'
Keep that chicken chokin'
Jerk off!
Jerk off!

Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 09, 2015 11:38 PM (YJmuy)

54
Ceres, our first dwarf planet, is salty:

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo

It's a pretzel!

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...not Spartacus at December 09, 2015 11:39 PM (+1T7c)

55 45 I work with three pretty cute Islamo chicks (only one wheres a hijab, the rest are all cool.)

These jihadis can really pick 'em.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 09, 2015 11:35 PM (XtRoV)

why would the cute ones advocate for the burka?

Posted by: the real ch3 at December 09, 2015 11:39 PM (0FwOD)

56 Maetenloch is located in a secret vault in Zurich.

That's a secret.

Posted by: eleven at December 09, 2015 11:39 PM (qUNWi)

57 Okaym, even better deal on the Taurus 85 revolver

$239.99, in stainless, with a $25 rebate.

http://bit.ly/1Z0jHoS

That's $215 for a reliable pocketable revolver.

You can't afford not to buy one!

Posted by: Grump928(C) does stream of consciousness at December 09, 2015 11:40 PM (rwI+c)

58 Anyone who adheres to islam cannot be trusted.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 09, 2015 11:40 PM (B8JRQ)

59 "same place i left it a month ago. we're drilling a 3 well pad outside of midland"

Glad to hear it with the oil prices what they are. Nephew in law is sweating it right now. They been reducing crews and letting people go.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 09, 2015 11:40 PM (XtRoV)

60 best part of this hitch is that wwe just added 3 years of NWA World Championship Wrestling to the WWE Network. 1985, 1986, and 1987. Ric Flair, Dusty Rhodes, all of em.

oh man this is good stuff

Posted by: the real ch3 at December 09, 2015 11:40 PM (0FwOD)

61 The ACLU Supports Arbitrary and Capricious Suspension of Civil Liberties to Fight "Terror"

The American Civil Liberties Union likes to pretend that it "wubs" civil liberties for American. However, they only pretend when it is politically useful for them to do so. Case in point: No fly lists.

More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=10560

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 09, 2015 11:40 PM (vBeA5)

62 A nano-helicopter should be one billionth the size of a regular one.

This is clearly an example of prefix abuse.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 09, 2015 11:40 PM (gyKtp)

63 The suit article says to wear a Windsor knot. Later it says to make a tie dimple, and links to an article on how to make a tie dimple. That article says not to use a Windsor knot.

Posted by: it's almost as if a lot of fashion rules are a load of hooey at December 09, 2015 11:40 PM (95mSL)

64
Also amusing - but sad - to see how many supposedly smart people think a
US president can't keep aliens out constitutionally - on virtually any
grounds. Enjoyed watching Laura Ingraham show up Geraldo on this
tonight.>>>

I'll have to look at my pocket Constitution I keep in my desk tomorrow (yeah I could look it up now but no) It's pretty short. Did they put much immigration detail in it? I keep hearing that word and people say it says all kinds of crap it does not.

Posted by: Willy J. at December 09, 2015 11:41 PM (wHX4r)

65 Wednesday Night ONT Compliance Pics

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/674673143450107908

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/674673356977868800

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/674673485277487104

Posted by: kbdabear at December 09, 2015 11:41 PM (9my4x)

66 Maetenloch is located in a secret vault in Zurich.

That's a secret.
Posted by: eleven

I heard he has been kept in a mayonaise jar on Funk and Wagnall's back porch since noon today.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...not Spartacus at December 09, 2015 11:41 PM (+1T7c)

67 More Wednesday Night ONT Compliance Pics

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/674673633571250176

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/674673753490628614

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/status/674673879584014336

Posted by: kbdabear at December 09, 2015 11:42 PM (9my4x)

68 oh god

the road warriors against two no name jobbers

these two guys are gonna get killed

Posted by: the real ch3 at December 09, 2015 11:42 PM (0FwOD)

69 "Communism is the goal" - ACLU founder Roger Nash Baldwin
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1579

... it was never about civil liberties.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 09, 2015 11:42 PM (6FqZa)

70 The suit article says to wear a Windsor knot. Later it says to make a tie dimple, and links to an article on how to make a tie dimple. That article says not to use a Windsor knot.

Posted by: it's almost as if a lot of fashion rules

Just apply some paste, my good fellow.

Posted by: Joseph Biden, Esq, Earl of Throttlebottom at December 09, 2015 11:42 PM (9YDUz)

71 >>>Ceres, our first dwarf planet, is salty:

http://gizmodo.com/we-finally-have-the-full-story-on-ceres-mysterious-brig-1746997700

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 09, 2015 11:37 PM (6FqZa)<<<
A salt planet... Is it black? Does it have one of those things that go up? Does if fire multiautomatic rounds?

Posted by: the MFM at December 09, 2015 11:43 PM (H9MG5)

72 There was a chick in my office who wore a hijab, she had beautiful eyes. Her husband died and she put on western clothes. My gosh she was ugly.

Posted by: Ralph at December 09, 2015 11:43 PM (HaNEn)

73 "why would the cute ones advocate for the burka?"

Beats Hell outta me. The one that does is the cutest of the bunch but it's all about living at home until married and honoring Ma and Pa.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 09, 2015 11:43 PM (KCoh4)

74 Also note on the death by extremism infographic that --regardless of who's doing the shooting -- such attacks increased dramatically starting in 2009.

Gee... that date seems familiar. Did something important happen then?

Posted by: elaine at December 09, 2015 11:43 PM (Y0Piu)

75 48 That's racist, constituent.

Posted by: bearded Ryan at December 09, 2015 11:36 PM (9YDUz)

WTH is it with that stupid beard? He looks horrible with it. Is he trying to be sympatico with the Islamists?

Posted by: Marybeth in Florida at December 09, 2015 11:43 PM (7egrg)

76 I'll have to look at my pocket Constitution I keep in my desk tomorrow (yeah I could look it up now but no) It's pretty short. Did they put much immigration detail in it? I keep hearing that word and people say it says all kinds of crap it does not.

--------

Pro Tip: Check the Good n Plenty Clause.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 09, 2015 11:43 PM (RU5ki)

77 17 "A comment got deleted already? "

Let's us watch our asses.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 09, 2015 11:26 PM (OA1ue)

....and he may have forgotten how to spell his own nic.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 09, 2015 11:44 PM (EzgxV)

78 Maetenloch's location is Super Secret & if so, that's his secret.
I wanted to know if he saw my Super Secret email.

Good Night, Eleven

Posted by: Carol at December 09, 2015 11:44 PM (sj3Ax)

79 It's April 1, 1933 all over again.

Posted by: Sanfranpsycho at December 09, 2015 11:44 PM (afaIk)

80 I call bullshit on the 12 hours thing.

8... 9 hours tops.

Posted by: otho at December 09, 2015 11:44 PM (EWg9n)

81 Is he trying to be sympatico with the Islamists?

Posted by: Marybeth in Florida

No, constituent. I just want you to ... fly?

Posted by: bearded Ryan at December 09, 2015 11:45 PM (9YDUz)

82 40 Posted by: Grumpy old man>>>

I read your comment backwards in my 64 response sorry.

Posted by: Willy J. at December 09, 2015 11:45 PM (wHX4r)

83 "There was no evidence whatsoever that Holocaust era Jews, en masse, had a burning desire to destroy AmericA"

Sorry, but this is totally disingenuous. There was no evidence whatsoever that Muslims, en masse, have a burning desire to destroy America.

But a small but significant proportion of Holocaust era Jews - specifically, the Frankfurt School - very much had a burning desire to destroy America. See: Marcuse, Horkheimer, et al. We should have let Adolf sort them out.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 09, 2015 11:45 PM (oKE6c)

84 Has anybody mentioned yet that This Guy, Obama Is Such A Total Pussy, It's Stunning?

It should be like a daily devotional or something.

Posted by: Fritz at December 09, 2015 11:46 PM (3tjn4)

85 Also amusing - but sad - to see how many supposedly
smart people think a US president can't keep aliens out constitutionally
- on virtually any grounds. Enjoyed watching Laura Ingraham show up
Geraldo on this tonight.

Posted by: Grumpy old man at December 09, 2015 11:35 PM (WQ7Wn)

Always been hay on that recognizing a religion bit - we have to let them in because they are muslim, that is what the brew-hah is about, I think...

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 09, 2015 11:46 PM (T78UI)

86 Do not worry. The same ccrack investigative team in charge of K1 vvisas will vet the 65,000 Syrian refugees.

What could go worng?

Posted by: rd at December 09, 2015 11:47 PM (Sffn6)

87 Strokin' strokin' strokin'
Keep that chicken chokin'
Jerk off!
Jerk off!
It can even keep the name "Rawhide Theme" if he's doing it 11 hours straight.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 09, 2015 11:47 PM (xodPA)

88 Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 09, 2015 11:40 PM (XtRoV)

yeah things are bad right now. the company I work for is pretty confident in our ability to make money out here even at these prices.

Posted by: the real ch3 at December 09, 2015 11:47 PM (0FwOD)

89 Gee... that date seems familiar. Did something important happen then?
Posted by: elaine

It was the GM bailout. It was TARP. It was the banksters. Who won the World Series that year? It was them. Baseball.

I DON'T KNOW!

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...not Spartacus at December 09, 2015 11:48 PM (+1T7c)

90 19 How an SAS Team Tracked and Killed the ISIS Executioner, Jihadi John

Jihadi John was a Pirates fan?

I know they've had a bad spell in recent years, but that's no excuse to go around beheading people.

I'm a Phillies fan, and despite the last couple of disastrous seasons, I haven't had the urge to behead anyone.

Yet.

We'll see in 2016.

WE CAN'T GET OUT OF THE WILD CARD GAME!!!!!
I just figured he was a Public Enemy fan. I've worn Pirates hats all my life. Once, in Omaha (late 80s), I got asked if I was a Public Enemy fan. Me, a white guy wearing a t-shirt, jeans, and Sonic Temple by The Cult blaring out of my car. I told him no, not really in PE demographics.

Posted by: Puddleglum, grumbling Pirates fan at December 09, 2015 11:49 PM (syGA0)

91 Heard the guy who wrote the Time magazine article on Merkel on NPR today. He said she grew up in East Germany and experienced repression first hand. I thought that was kind of funny since NPR never heard of a commie regime they didn"t like. Because of her experience in East Germany she wants to bring in all the zillions of refugees.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 09, 2015 11:49 PM (FkBIv)

92 *blink blink*

Posted by: Lauren at December 09, 2015 11:49 PM (Kqit+)

93 " There was a chick in my office who wore a hijab, she had beautiful eyes. Her husband died and she put on western clothes. My gosh she was ugly."

Beauty is skin deep. Maybe she was beautiful person.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 09, 2015 11:50 PM (zXyxq)

94 Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 09, 2015 11:45 PM (oKE6c)

-1

Posted by: Methos at December 09, 2015 11:50 PM (ZbV+0)

95 Seriously $239.99 + $9.95 flatrate shipping + $20 FFL fee - $25 rebate = $244.94 in your hot little hands.

http://bit.ly/1Z0jHoS

That's a deal.*

*Took Enterprises receives no compensation for this endorsement

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 09, 2015 11:50 PM (rwI+c)

96 Also note on the death by extremism infographic that --regardless of who's doing the shooting -- such attacks increased dramatically starting in 2009.

Gee... that date seems familiar. Did something important happen then?

Posted by: Elaine

Damn straight!

Posted by: The Flappy-Eared Piece of Shit at December 09, 2015 11:51 PM (hy5nE)

97 testing.

Posted by: Alana at December 09, 2015 11:52 PM (EL2nq)

98 8-9 hours.

You drink Gatorade or something?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 09, 2015 11:52 PM (L+qOs)

99 well, it looks like I can post here, but not on my ipad.

Posted by: Alana at December 09, 2015 11:52 PM (EL2nq)

100 Sorry, but this is totally disingenuous. There was no evidence whatsoever that Muslims, en masse, have a burning desire to destroy America.

-----

No. None at all.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 09, 2015 11:52 PM (RU5ki)

101 Went and did some housework, figuring the ONT would be up by the time I got back.

Just as I suspected.

Posted by: Emmie is Cruzin' at December 09, 2015 11:52 PM (uEL2S)

102 I don't feel too strongly about Trump one way or another, but it saddens me and tells me a lot that the GOP has never been this mad at Obama for ANYTHING!

Think about that. They are spitting mad at Trump calling him awful names etc, but they have never been this way towards Obama.

This in part is what is fueling Trump. We have been getting fucked for so long, people are just so fucking furious they will vote for anyone even if they don't agree with that he says all the time because at least he seems to fight and attack the real enemies.

Trump has just SPOKEN some shit in the past few months, while Obama has been DOING shit the last 7 years that has fucked us over, and yet, the GOP has never been even close to this mad at him.

WTF BRO!?

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at December 09, 2015 11:52 PM (COpZ4)

103 97
testing.>>>

Did We Pass?

Posted by: Willy J. at December 09, 2015 11:52 PM (wHX4r)

104 So apparently Canada is ahead of us when it comes to the tranny bs. And this happened:

"Toby's Law (Bill 33) resulted in allowing a transwoman Christopher "Jessica" Hambrook to get into two woman's shelter and sexually assault two women, including a deaf woman from Quebec."

Posted by: Lauren at December 09, 2015 11:53 PM (Z/8dZ)

105 "the company I work for is pretty confident in our ability to make money out here even at these prices."

Glad to hear it. Midland-Odessa was such a sight coming through last year.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 09, 2015 11:54 PM (L+qOs)

106 testing.
Posted by: Alana at December 09, 2015 11:52 PM (EL2nq)

---------

Nope. Still nothing.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 09, 2015 11:54 PM (RU5ki)

107 From Wiki: "In the 1960s, the ACLU opposed involuntary commitments, unless it could
be demonstrated that the person was a danger to himself or the
community. In the landmark 1975 O'Connor v. Donaldson
decision the ACLU represented a non-violent mental health patient who
had been confined against his will for 15 years, and persuaded the
Supreme Court to rule such involuntary confinements illegal."

So the ~~Communist front~~ ACLU is directly responsible for nutjobs taking to the streets as "homeless," and shooting up various venues, unfortunately not including ACLU HQ. Thanks, ACLU!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 09, 2015 11:54 PM (oKE6c)

108
Sorry, but this is totally disingenuous. There was no evidence whatsoever that Muslims, en masse, have a burning desire to destroy America.

Posted by: Jay Guevara

Define en massah oops, I mean en mass.

Pew Research:
"For instance, a Pew Research Center survey of Muslims in 39 countries asked Muslims whether they want sharia law, a legal code based on the Quran and other Islamic scripture, to be the official law of the land in their country.

Responses on this question vary widely. Nearly all Muslims in
Afghanistan (99%) and most in Iraq (91%) and Pakistan (84%) support
sharia law as official law. But in some other countries, especially in
Eastern Europe and Central Asia - including Turkey (12%), Kazakhstan
(10%) and Azerbaijan (8%) - relatively few favor the implementation of
sharia law. "

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 09, 2015 11:54 PM (9YDUz)

109 oh god

the road warriors against two no name jobbers

these two guys are gonna get killed
Posted by: the real ch3 at December 09, 2015 11:42 PM (0FwOD)

There is a part of me still surprised that pro wrestling doesn't do names vs jobbers at all but PPV or major broadcast shows anymore.

Yep, I'm old and nerdy.

Posted by: Bete resigned to just watching the world burn at December 09, 2015 11:55 PM (Ojki1)

110 I don't believe the 10-12 hour masturbation session. I can barely go an hour before they kick me off the school bus.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at December 09, 2015 11:56 PM (fC9RO)

111 Because the West Bank and Gaza Strip are the ONLY land on Earth in the history of the last 50,000 years of human conflict that were lost by the losing side of a war.

Right?

Posted by: Sharkman at December 09, 2015 11:56 PM (h4t9f)

112 8... 9 hours tops.
That's what the meth is for. Duh!

Posted by: andycanuck at December 09, 2015 11:56 PM (xodPA)

113 I really hate that pic of the two jihadis

Posted by: L, Elle at December 09, 2015 11:57 PM (2x3L+)

114 "*Took Enterprises receives no compensation for this endorsement"

You've always got one at the pipe and you'd have to fcuk really bad to let it go without purpose.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 09, 2015 11:57 PM (L+qOs)

115 http://tinyurl.com/h6cj8zl

Vic put this in today's EMT & I put on Twitter. Please send this poor orphan burned, in an arson fire & lost her parents & siblings. She's lost a hand & foot & more surgery next month. All this little girl, now 8, is enough Christmas cards to cover her Aunt's Christmas tree.

I found two Christmas Cards for kids & am putting on door tomorrow.

Thank you!

Posted by: Carol at December 09, 2015 11:57 PM (sj3Ax)

116 Sorry, but this is totally disingenuous. There was no evidence whatsoever that Muslims, en masse, have a burning desire to destroy America.

But a small but significant proportion of Holocaust era Jews - specifically, the Frankfurt School - very much had a burning desire to destroy America. See: Marcuse, Horkheimer, et al. We should have let Adolf sort them out.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 09, 2015 11:45 PM (oKE6c)

*****

So, you are using "en masse" for the Muzzies vs. A "small school" of Jews in this exercise?

Yeah, No.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 09, 2015 11:57 PM (3rK8j)

117 Slow Learners Theater;

LA County Board of Supervisors voted 3 to 1 in favor of welcoming in Syrian refujihadis

http://www.dawn.com/news/1225364

Posted by: kbdabear at December 09, 2015 11:57 PM (9my4x)

118 I unfortunately know quite a few meth heads because of my ex and yeah, it apparently makes you really horny for whatever reason, so if you're desperate for an easy lay and don't really care about your dick rotting off, just find yourself a methie.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at December 09, 2015 11:57 PM (5chst)

119 Other than not wanting to suck Muzzie dick, Quebec is our most-leftist province, Lauren.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 09, 2015 11:59 PM (xodPA)

120 I must try to figure out DVD player. I have had since 2009 & never used it!

Posted by: Carol at December 10, 2015 12:00 AM (sj3Ax)

121 104 So apparently Canada is ahead of us when it comes to the tranny bs. And this happened:

"Toby's Law (Bill 33) resulted in allowing a transwoman Christopher "Jessica" Hambrook to get into two woman's shelter and sexually assault two women, including a deaf woman from Quebec."
Posted by: Lauren at December 09, 2015 11:53 PM (Z/8dZ)

Just another violence statistic between lesbians (or by one going with leftist 'thought'). The memory hole will feed well on this story.

Posted by: Bete resigned to just watching the world burn at December 10, 2015 12:00 AM (Ojki1)

122 "I really hate that pic of the two jihadis"

Just trodding through waiting to unleash Jihad. Like any day.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 10, 2015 12:00 AM (PKVcc)

123 well, the suit article is completely useless.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 12:01 AM (vb33c)

124 Carol-

Wife and I sent one this morning. I felt great all day long.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 10, 2015 12:01 AM (hy5nE)

125 Hey everybody.

Topic on mental health confinement?

When I was working at Metropolitan State Hospital a few years ago, one of the first things I learned: you can be held for 72 hours of observation if you're identified by a police or other public officer as a danger to yourself or others. Outside of that, not much the authorities can do anymore.

Which is interesting because in the past (generally before 1969), you could be placed in a mental hospital for a lot of bogus reasons, including having any kind of a drug habit, or for being gay.

Posted by: qdpsteve at December 10, 2015 12:02 AM (ntObR)

126 Anyone buy weapons lately? Since San Bernardino? About to get more and more ammo.

Posted by: Grumpy old man at December 10, 2015 12:02 AM (WQ7Wn)

127 Metro is part of California's state hospital system.

Posted by: qdpsteve at December 10, 2015 12:03 AM (ntObR)

128 I unfortunately know quite a few meth heads because of my ex and yeah,
it apparently makes you really horny for whatever reason, so if you're
desperate for an easy lay and don't really care about your dick rotting
off, just find yourself a methie.>>>

My Ex was a methie too but her horniness was driven by the next fix. I could be wrong since she picked it up after leaving me. But she would do anything for anyone for $20 after she picked up the habit.

Posted by: Willy J. at December 10, 2015 12:03 AM (wHX4r)

129 And includes a gratuitous shot at asshole McCain. Sucking Dem dick will never get you love from the MSM or lib-left online shit-holes, yankeefifth.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 10, 2015 12:03 AM (xodPA)

130 Ricardo,
I like Ann Coulter's comment about the jihadi couple. We shouldn't be admitting ugly people.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 10, 2015 12:03 AM (BHl9S)

131 Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 09, 2015 11:54 PM (9YDUz)

Implicitly my comment referred to Muslims in America, of whom I am no fan.

But my point stands. You could equally well assert that Jews in America, en masse, have/had no desire to destroy America, and yet we have the Rosenbergs, Herbert Marcuse, Max Horkheimer, George Soros, Amy Goodman, Bernadine Doerhn, Mark Rudd,Tom Steyer, the Sulzbergers, the Meyers (owners of WaPo), and many others to prove that a relatively small minority in a group can cause a shitload of trouble.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 10, 2015 12:03 AM (oKE6c)

132 I unfortunately know quite a few meth heads because
of my ex and yeah, it apparently makes you really horny for whatever
reason, so if you're desperate for an easy lay and don't really care
about your dick rotting off, just find yourself a methie.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at December 09, 2015 11:57 PM (5chst)

Knew a retired Honolulu cop (retired). Was saying that before DEA crackdown in state all the druggies knew was pot. No biggie, locals real laid back already... DEA pot crackdown was effective and people started using meth, domestic violence went way up, the bros want to play darts and stuff all night, the wahine way horney, mad because the men interested in other things.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 10, 2015 12:03 AM (T78UI)

133 All right, hasta.

Gonna send that little girl an X'mas card. And so are others.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 10, 2015 12:03 AM (PKVcc)

134 Past 72 hours, a psychiatrist *and* a doctor have to agree: yes, you're a danger to yourself or others. Then you can be forced to stay at the state facility until you and/or your own treatment team can prove you're no longer dangerous.

Posted by: qdpsteve at December 10, 2015 12:04 AM (ntObR)

135 So, if you get Baker Act'd, just sit cool for 72, read a book or something, and go home.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 10, 2015 12:06 AM (T78UI)

136 "After injecting meth, Aaron masturbates for 10-12 hours."

Jeeze, what kind of a weakling is this? I can do that and don't need the meth. The ValuRite helps, tho.

Posted by: Bill H at December 10, 2015 12:06 AM (Baojj)

137 A great documentary was made on one particular mental hospital, and came out in 1967:

Titicut Follies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titicut_Follies

Posted by: qdpsteve at December 10, 2015 12:07 AM (ntObR)

138 "Also amusing - but sad - to see how many supposedly smart people think a
US president can't keep aliens out constitutionally - on virtually any
grounds. Enjoyed watching Laura Ingraham show up Geraldo on this
tonight."

Hairaldo is supposedly a smart person? Stop the presses.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 10, 2015 12:07 AM (noWW6)

139 When I was working at Metropolitan State Hospital a few years ago, one
of the first things I learned: you can be held for 72 hours of
observation if you're identified by a police or other public officer as a
danger to yourself or others. Outside of that, not much the authorities
can do anymore.

O'Connor v. Donaldson, writ large.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 10, 2015 12:07 AM (oKE6c)

140 Haha, willie. YOU did. I don't know about these other morons.

Posted by: Alana at December 10, 2015 12:07 AM (EL2nq)

141 My sister dated a guy who turned out to be a methie. She dropped his ass fast after making that discovery, thankfully. She'd fit right in around here although she'd probably be shocked and scandalized by my potty mouth.

Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2015 12:08 AM (Z/8dZ)

142 135 So, if you get Baker Act'd, just sit cool for 72, read a book or something, and go home.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 10, 2015 12:06 AM (T78UI)

Yeah but when you're crazy being normal for hours at a time is hard.

Posted by: Maetenloch at December 10, 2015 12:08 AM (pAlYe)

143 Found this at the "Suit Rules" link:

https://tinyurl.com/h388yww

It used to be said, "Men don't make passes at girls who wear glasses."

That's pretty much out the window now.

Of course, better looking glasses designs has helped.

Posted by: rickl at December 10, 2015 12:09 AM (sdi6R)

144 This is why I find so infuriating the endless Leftist...

Remember, their complaints aren't real.

Posted by: t-bird at December 10, 2015 12:09 AM (w/iDp)

145 Hairaldo is supposedly a smart person? Stop the presses.
Posted by: torquewrench

Einstein, I tell ya!

Posted by: Al Capone at December 10, 2015 12:09 AM (hy5nE)

146
But my point stands. You could equally well assert that Jews in America, en masse, have/had no desire to destroy America, and yet we have the Rosenbergs, Herbert Marcuse, Max Horkheimer, George Soros, Amy Goodman, Bernadine Doerhn, Mark Rudd,Tom Steyer, the Sulzbergers, the Meyers (owners of WaPo), and many others to prove that a relatively small minority in a group can cause a shitload of trouble.

Posted by: Jay Guevara

A handful of names that valued Leftism over the values of the free West, recorded over the past 60+ years versus a consistent antagonism by politically active and violent Islam over the course of 1400 years?

Hmm, yeah, I can see the comparison.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2015 12:09 AM (9YDUz)

147 Re: mental hospitals, my mom constantly, constantly says "well Reagan shut down all the mental hospitals". I know this isn't exactly true but don't know the real story. Anyone have the cliff notes version?

Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2015 12:10 AM (Z/8dZ)

148 I'm going to sleep on the Taurus 85 deal. If it's still there tomorrow, I will probably have to buy one. I paid $300+ for a used 605 snubby, and it not even stainless. Of course that's a 357, but I don't use 357 anyway. And it had rosewood grips, but still, Less than $250 all up is a great deal for a new +P purse or pocket pistol.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 10, 2015 12:10 AM (rwI+c)

149 Yeah! And all those shape-shifters too!

Posted by: Sanfranpsycho at December 10, 2015 12:10 AM (afaIk)

150 Jay, understood but I worry about the alternative.

Let's be honest: Lots of folks out there who'd like to make it declared hopeless mental illness, to have the "wrong" beliefs or thoughts about certain people and/or politics. The Soviets provided a great example.

Posted by: qdpsteve at December 10, 2015 12:10 AM (ntObR)

151 first night back on the rig

Posted by: the real ch3 at December 09, 2015 11:28 PM (0FwOD)

Between wells for me. Got home from the last one a week ago, heading out to the next on Saturday if all goes as expected.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 10, 2015 12:11 AM (+y3Tj)

152 Burnt Toast, yup. Sure it's been done many times in Calif and elsewhere.

Posted by: qdpsteve at December 10, 2015 12:12 AM (ntObR)

153 I know this isn't exactly true but don't know the real story. Anyone have the cliff notes version?
He signed into law what the legislature passed that the Courts ordered to be done so people could not be involuntarily committed. It was the Courts' doings.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 10, 2015 12:13 AM (xodPA)

154 147
All the libs in California say that as well. I think the state hospitals wanted the patients to be treated as outpatients. I may be wrong

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 10, 2015 12:13 AM (BHl9S)

155 >>>It used to be said, "Men don't make passes at girls who wear glasses."

That's pretty much out the window now.

Of course, better looking glasses designs has helped.

Posted by: rickl at December 10, 2015 12:09 AM (sdi6R)<<<

Their loss. **takes off glasses, undoes bun, lets down hair... rays of light shine down highlighting a near perfect 10**

Posted by: the quiet librarian at December 10, 2015 12:14 AM (H9MG5)

156 someone should shove a thumb drive full of meth into the thread. hate seeing an interesting thread go unused.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 12:14 AM (vb33c)

157 A nano-helicopter should be one billionth the size of a regular one.

This is clearly an example of prefix abuse.

Nerd fist bump. I think.

I'm not really a nerd.

Posted by: eleven at December 10, 2015 12:16 AM (qUNWi)

158 >It used to be said, "Men don't make passes at girls who wear glasses."

That's pretty much out the window now.

Of course, better looking glasses designs has helped.

Posted by: rickl at December 10, 2015 12:09 AM (sdi6R)

something men never said.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 12:16 AM (vb33c)

159 It used to be said, "Men don't make passes at girls who wear glasses.>>>

That's pretty much out the window now.
>>>

Is this some kind of Overton window thing?

Posted by: Willy J. at December 10, 2015 12:16 AM (wHX4r)

160 But my point stands. You could equally well assert that Jews in America, en masse, have/had no desire to destroy America, and yet we have the Rosenbergs, Herbert Marcuse, Max Horkheimer, George Soros, Amy Goodman, Bernadine Doerhn, Mark Rudd,Tom Steyer, the Sulzbergers, the Meyers (owners of WaPo), and many others to prove that a relatively small minority in a group can cause a shitload of trouble.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 10, 2015 12:03 AM (oKE6c)

The difference is ...

Jews have been in the New World since the very beginning. Haym Solomon was one of the main financiers of the Revolution. And, in modern times, without Jews in America the first nation with nukes would have been someone else - and that is a pretty big deal. The biggest deal of the 20th century, really.

The fact is that any nation that welcomed Jews has always prospered. In Europe, they use to be into doing that and then kicking the Jews out and taking their stuff, which interestingly almost always resulted in reduced prosperity for said country.

But, as with all things, you have to take the bad with the good. It's just a question of which outweighs which.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 10, 2015 12:16 AM (zc3Db)

161 Gerry Rivers is da stoopid. Bad example on my part. Plenty of the intelligentsia been looking like idiots on the alien exclusion issue of the week.

I think Cruz and Trump are the change agents with principles in this whole thing. Trump's determination has impressed me. Cruz is simply brilliant and I have more faith in his entire personality than any other politician of this era.

Posted by: Grumpy old man at December 10, 2015 12:17 AM (WQ7Wn)

162 Yes, budget offices, I don't know if gubernatorial, state, Fed or municipal (or combinations thereof) also thought they'd save alot of money not housing the mentally ill on-site.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 10, 2015 12:17 AM (xodPA)

163 >>>Yeah but when you're crazy being normal for hours at a time is hard.

Dude. I'm right here.

Posted by: DC in River City at December 10, 2015 12:17 AM (e+1S5)

164 not especially huge fan of Trump but he is fucking everyone's plans up hugely.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 12:18 AM (vb33c)

165 Over the last 60 years that "handful of [highly influential] names" has done more damage to the West than marauding muzzies have, by a long shot.

And let's add one to the list - Emmanuel Cellar, author and prime mover of the 1965 Immigration Act.

Posted by: ChicagoRefugee at December 10, 2015 12:19 AM (b/PFG)

166 >>>Yeah but when you're crazy being normal for hours at a time is hard.

which explains the popularity of twitter.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 12:19 AM (vb33c)

167
That SAS story is disinfo.

He was actually taken out with a remote det explosive device planted by an informant.

LOL.

Posted by: The Dirty Vicar of St. Michaels at December 10, 2015 12:22 AM (qul7b)

168 Another superlative ONT.

Kudos, Maet.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, on Permaban List at December 10, 2015 12:23 AM (9mTYi)

169 153 I know this isn't exactly true but don't know the real story. Anyone have the cliff notes version?
He signed into law what the legislature passed that the Courts ordered to be done so people could not be involuntarily committed. It was the Courts' doings.
Posted by: andycanuck at December 10, 2015 12:13 AM (xodPA)

I believe the courts had already ordered that most mental patients except that meeting stringent conditions had to be released back in the late 70s. The democrats had a grandiose plan where there would be outpatient clinics for the mentally ill in every neighborhood. But this never got funded in budgets after Reagan got elected in 1980 so of course the mentally ill in the streets problem is all Reagan's fault. Because the states that used to run the mental hospitals housing these people were clearly incapable of funding and operating outpatient clinics.

Posted by: Maetenloch at December 10, 2015 12:23 AM (pAlYe)

170 "Re: mental hospitals, my mom constantly, constantly says 'well Reagan
shut down all the mental hospitals'. I know this isn't exactly true but
don't know the real story. Anyone have the cliff notes version?"

One interesting question to ask people who say this is, "Well, wait a minute here. Reagan as Governor or as President?"

Most of them will start sweating and backing and filling and waving their hands. Because it's just a conversational trope to them, a virtue signifier, and they haven't ever really thought it through or read up on it.

As a Commiefornian, let me talk about Governor RR and asylums.

First off, the deinstitutionalization movement wasn't driven only by the ACLU.

There were also many members of the psychiatric community who honestly felt that institutionalization was cruel, and of dubious clinical value, and that "community based care", and new wonder drugs, would allow nut cases to function outside of asylums.

Between well intentioned p-docs pushing nut cases out the door, and well intentioned liberal civil rights activists barring the door from nut cases being pushed back in, the asylums emptied out pretty rapidly.

Reagan, at that time the newly elected governor of CA, had been handed an absolute financial nightmare by the outgoing Democratic governor (father of the current Democratic governor). Things which weren't pulling their weight in the state budget had to go. Emptied-out publicly funded asylums did go.

And, really, Democrats in the state legislature didn't fight Reagan very hard on the matter. They were far more concerned with protecting welfare checks. A bigger voting constituency by far than nut cases.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 10, 2015 12:24 AM (noWW6)

171
Great, meaty ONT, Maet.

I actually knew almost every "trick" on the suit link. From the days when a suit was a daily thing, vs. very occasional.

Grump, yeah that price for a purse/pocket snub is great.

Damn if I don't always check out the small used/consignment section at my indoor range for revolver finds. They have what looks like a new-in box Ruger Security Six ($400), mint condition. But this time I *really* mean it - there is no room in the safe/budget/schedule for another shootin' iron. This was also where I saw a well-used King Cobra stainless snub with a bobbed hammer - left it there for 3 weeks, then just had to jump on it (it was mispriced, low). New hammer and lots of love and refinishing back at the Colt mother ship and voila, thing is beautiful and worth 4 times what I have into it.

I'm counting on the Ruger being gone next time I go in.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 10, 2015 12:25 AM (QDnY+)

172 The problem with that homegrown "right wing" extremists graph is that the organization who put it together, New America, mixes together murders, bank robberies and attempted bombings by racists, anarchists, neo-Nazis, sovereign citizen types, anti-abortion, and even include the nutty guy who flew his plane into the Austin IRS office, killing himself, and then they call him a "victim".

Heck, they even include the killing of George Tiller in the list.

The problem with this data, as I see it, is that there are several different reasons and philosophies at work in the cases of the "right wing extremism", and yet only one for the Islamic extremism.

Also, I would imagine that a vast majority of those on the right would condemn the motivations of those "right wing extremists", while a large percentage of Muslims tacitly support the actions of the Islamic extremists.

Here's a link to the report on the New America site:

http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/deadly-attacks.html

Posted by: Reno_Dave at December 10, 2015 12:25 AM (n6gHv)

173 A handful of names that valued Leftism over the
values of the free West, recorded over the past 60+ years versus a
consistent antagonism by politically active and violent Islam over the
course of 1400 years?

Hmm, yeah, I can see the comparison.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2015 12:09 AM (9YDUz)
A handful? Really? Not to be contentious, but without Jews, we effectively wouldn't have a leftist problem in America today. If you dispute that, I'll list 100 names in support of this contention. Hard left politics is to Jews historically pretty much as terrorism is to Muslims currently. This is not a popular point, probably particularly not on the HQ, but I appeal to the higher minded to accept this perhaps unpalatable truth. Unpalatable truths are, nonetheless, truths.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 10, 2015 12:25 AM (oKE6c)

174 Which is interesting because in the past (generally before 1969), you could be placed in a mental hospital for a lot of bogus reasons, including having any kind of a drug habit, or for being gay.

The authorities used to use insane asylums to get troublesome, borderline, and just really weird people off the streets until several court cases, ending with O'Connor v. Donaldson in 1975 at the Supreme Court.

To be honest, a lot of the times people were thrown in there were pretty unjust and unreasonable. It was just easier for families to toss weird Uncle Charlie in the institution and forget about him, or for the local judge to get that troublesome janitor that kept talking to himself into the asylum so he stops making people nervous.

That along with the vagrancy laws being overturned kind of flooded the streets with people who were at the fringes of society and contributing little to nothing. It used to be pretty easy to clean up a town with those two devices, but was it just and fair?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 12:25 AM (39g3+)

175 so first things first, the suit article suggests wearing a t-shirt if you perspire a lot, wrong. you always wear a t-shirt so you do not ruin your shirt as everyone perspires.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 12:27 AM (vb33c)

176 >>>" There was a chick in my office who wore a hijab,
she had beautiful eyes. Her husband died and she put on western clothes.
My gosh she was ugly."

Beauty is skin deep. Maybe she was beautiful person.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 09, 2015 11:50 PM (zXyxq)<<<
She was a princess while her husband was alive.

Posted by: Ralph at December 10, 2015 12:27 AM (V+jJS)

177 158
something men never said.
Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 12:16 AM (vb33c)

No, that used to be a thing. It probably had to do with the hideous design for womens' glasses in the 1950s.

There was only one design, and it was ugly.

Posted by: rickl at December 10, 2015 12:27 AM (sdi6R)

178 windsor tie knots are preferred - sure for old men.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 12:28 AM (vb33c)

179 A handful? Really?

Yeah, really. You could selectively and surgically go through history to knock off fewer than 100 people and that would completely change society. There are maybe 25-30 people alive today who are the primary problem, and without them things would be very, very different.

Almost no changes in society come from large numbers, they come from small numbers with a lot of drive and influence leading larger numbers of people with the same desires, but lacking the influence and drive. Without George Soros, half the left's mechanism falls to pieces, for example. His money and all those institutions he built up are what sustains most of the cultural rot and insanity we're facing right now.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 12:28 AM (39g3+)

180 169 153 I know this isn't exactly true but don't know the real story. Anyone have the cliff notes version?
He signed into law what the legislature passed that the Courts ordered to be done so people could not be involuntarily committed. It was the Courts' doings.
Posted by: andycanuck at December 10, 2015 12:13 AM (xodPA)

I believe the courts had already ordered that most mental patients except that meeting stringent conditions had to be released back in the late 70s. The democrats had a grandiose plan where there would be outpatient clinics for the mentally ill in every neighborhood. But this never got funded in budgets after Reagan got elected in 1980 so of course the mentally ill in the streets problem is all Reagan's fault. Because the states that used to run the mental hospitals housing these people were clearly incapable of funding and operating outpatient clinics.

Posted by: Maetenloch at December 10, 2015 12:23 AM (pAlYe)

Wherever he is now, I get the feeling that Maet spent some time in California.....

Posted by: cthulhu at December 10, 2015 12:28 AM (EzgxV)

181 >>Yeah but when you're crazy being normal for hours at a time is hard.

I like a challenge.

Question -- If you get Baker Acted in CA do you lose your gun rights? Seems like I read that somewhere.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 10, 2015 12:28 AM (gyKtp)

182 And all the mens' glasses looked like Clark Kent's.

Posted by: rickl at December 10, 2015 12:28 AM (sdi6R)

183 Christopher, exactly.

Posted by: qdpsteve at December 10, 2015 12:29 AM (ntObR)

184 Thanks, morons, I knew I could count on you.

It's a bit personal with my mom. My uncle was schizophrenic and she and my other uncle had to jump through a lot of hoops to get him institutionalized. I guess this was around 1970sh. Anyway, he killed himself in an institution, so I'm not so sure why she's so keen on them, but I think a large part of it has to do with her seeing his death as ultimately a relief and having him institutionalized was at least 'out of sight, out of mind" a bit.

/depressing family drama

Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2015 12:29 AM (Z/8dZ)

185 not especially huge fan of Trump but he is fucking everyone's plans up hugely.

Trump is the guy walks in and says shit all crude and even the upper middle class housewife just shuts up and listens.

I've seen it.

Reagan is my President and all that but those days are gone.

I'm a realist now.

The high road is gone people. High road gone.

We're living in an age when Chris fucking Matthews is acceptable to upper middle class women.

High road gone.

This is now. It sucks but here it is.

Posted by: eleven at December 10, 2015 12:29 AM (qUNWi)

186 something men never said.

It was mostly a dumb cultural thing, the same kind of stupidity that told women to act stupid because they'll intimidate guys and never find love. Because guys were being raised to think that smart girls were just trouble and impossible to live with. It fed on each other and was very unfortunate.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 12:29 AM (39g3+)

187 well, the suit article is completely useless.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 12:01 AM (vb33c)

One of the best things about my job is that I need not wear a suit for it, ever. Even if I go to the client's office tower in Calgary, I wear clean jeans and a T-shirt, and it's more or less expected of us. Suits are for weddings and funerals.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 10, 2015 12:29 AM (+y3Tj)

188 No, that used to be a thing. It probably had to do with the hideous design for womens' glasses in the 1950s.

There was only one design, and it was ugly.
Posted by: rickl at December 10, 2015 12:27 AM (sdi6R)

I know it was a popular phrase but I am not sure it was ever ascribed to by men. "Hey, after you are done taking your clothes get those ugly ass glasses of and get into the bed."

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 12:30 AM (vb33c)

189 The glaring problem with the graph is they should start it on 9/11 not 9/12.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 10, 2015 12:31 AM (BHl9S)

190 Which is interesting because in the past (generally before 1969), you could be placed in a mental hospital for a lot of bogus reasons, including having any kind of a drug habit, or for being gay.

Posted by: qdpsteve at December 10, 2015 12:02 AM (ntObR)

...neither of which are self-destructive behavior, of course.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 10, 2015 12:31 AM (+y3Tj)

191 >>>...It used to be pretty easy to clean up a town with those two devices, but was it just and fair?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 12:25 AM (39g3+)<<<
Doesn't seem fair however, Sandy Hook mother trying for six months to get him committed. Its gone too far.

Posted by: Ralph at December 10, 2015 12:31 AM (V+jJS)

192 Re: mental hospitals, my mom constantly, constantly says 'well Reagan
shut down all the mental hospitals'. I know this isn't exactly true but
don't know the real story. Anyone have the cliff notes version?"
Posted by: torquewrench at December 10, 2015 12:24 AM (noWW6)

The whole argument is leftist bullshit.

In 1975 SCOTUS issued its decision O'Connor v. Donaldson, which made it un-Constitutional to institutionalize anyone without a showing that he posed an imminent threat to himself or others, and/or could not take care of himself on his own. For this reason, mental hospitals HAD to let many inmates go. (I was dating a psychiatrist nurse at the time - whom I met skiing, and not in a professional context, I hasten to add - who was put out of work by this decision.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 10, 2015 12:31 AM (oKE6c)

193 -
I'm counting on the Ruger being gone next time I go in.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 10, 2015 12:25 AM
-----------------------------

I'm damn lucky I don't live where I can browse a lot of used guns. I would need to scrounge in the couch for eatin money. (I force myself to stay off the internet auction sites (as much as I can))

Posted by: irright at December 10, 2015 12:32 AM (DtNNC)

194 In the wards where I worked, a lot of the patients-- especially older ones-- well, their families had just about abandoned them.

There was one woman who was placed at Metropolitan in 1970. One time, one of our psychiatrists tried to reach this patient's sister. It turned out her family had moved and left no forwarding address or number.

Don't know if they ever caught up to them again or not.

Posted by: qdpsteve at December 10, 2015 12:32 AM (ntObR)

195 179 A handful? Really?

Yeah, really. You could selectively and surgically go through history to knock off fewer than 100 people and that would completely change society. There are maybe 25-30 people alive today who are the primary problem, and without them things would be very, very different.

Almost no changes in society come from large numbers, they come from small numbers with a lot of drive and influence leading larger numbers of people with the same desires, but lacking the influence and drive. Without George Soros, half the left's mechanism falls to pieces, for example. His money and all those institutions he built up are what sustains most of the cultural rot and insanity we're facing right now.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 12:28 AM (39g3+)

Hell -- without ValJar, the SCoaMF wouldn't be able to tuck his shirt in properly.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 10, 2015 12:33 AM (EzgxV)

196 windsor tie knots are preferred - sure for old men.
Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 12:28 AM (vb33c)

****

A single Windsor is still the thing for those who have to dress Business for their jobs, young or old.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 10, 2015 12:33 AM (3rK8j)

197 Wherever he is now, I get the feeling that Maet spent some time in California...
Until Reagan freed him.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 10, 2015 12:33 AM (xodPA)

198 Geeze. Sorry, but most of those suit guys do not impress me. They scream, "Look at me, I'm hip! I'm trendy!"

Narrow lapels, skinny ties, narrow trouser legs, uncuffed trousers, double vent butt flaps?

The article had to be written by a millenial who believes that fad/trendiness equates to sartorial elegance rather than shallowness.

Here's a clue; a suit that looked good 30 years ago, would look good today.

The moment I spot a guy with a skinny tie, narrow lapels, and his hands in his pockets, I think "vapidly banal". But, that's just me.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, on Permaban List at December 10, 2015 12:34 AM (9mTYi)

199 A single Windsor is still the thing for those who have to dress Business for their jobs, young or old.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 10, 2015 12:33 AM (3rK8j)

it is all four in hand, hardly anyone wears the windsor in either version.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 12:34 AM (vb33c)

200 ""Hey, after you are done taking your clothes get those ugly ass glasses of and get into the bed."

Ok, so this is venturing into waaay TMI territory, but I always take my glasses off during errr..fun time.

The rookie error is putting them on the bed. If they don't get broken then afterwards your feeling all around like a blind monkey trying to figure out where the hell they've ran off to.

Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2015 12:35 AM (Z/8dZ)

201 I wrote about Reagan and the homeless in a Common Knowledge piece. There were more than a few really nasty comments in response that I deleted because they didn't add anything to the conversation:

http://tinyurl.com/o5bnwkz

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 12:35 AM (39g3+)

202 I can tell when I have been here too long as some type of dyslexia occurs. I keep seeing that NYT editor's name as "Slutzberger."

I hate that asphalt eating, burka's mean face. Customs should have stopped her on that photo alone...they hate us. So why allow them here? And some on welfare. And useless Congress voting, tomorrow, to make it even more welcoming. bah.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 10, 2015 12:35 AM (7lqMl)

203 Ok, so this is venturing into waaay TMI territory, but I always take my glasses off during errr..fun time.

The rookie error is putting them on the bed. If they don't get broken then afterwards your feeling all around like a blind monkey trying to figure out where the hell they've ran off to.
Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2015 12:35 AM (Z/8dZ)

sure but she looks cute crawling around like a blind monkey looking for her glasses.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 12:36 AM (vb33c)

204 Yeah but when you're crazy being normal for hours at a time is hard.>>>

The new Refugee test. 72 hours in a room with hidden cameras. Where all you can watch is prime time alphabet TV shows. The infidel crap they hate in those shows should have the begging to go home.

Posted by: Willy J. at December 10, 2015 12:37 AM (wHX4r)

205 Here's a clue; a suit that looked good 30 years ago, would look good today.

But not 40 years ago. The 70s. *shuddering*

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 12:37 AM (39g3+)

206 Yeah, really. You could selectively and surgically go through history
to knock off fewer than 100 people and that would completely change
society. There are maybe 25-30 people alive today who are the primary
problem, and without them things would be very, very different.

I totally agree. I was disputing the dismissive aspect of the response, which invited the conclusion that the numbers of leftist Jews didn't - - and couldn't - matter. As you point out, even a relatively small number of sufficiently committed people most certainly matter.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 10, 2015 12:37 AM (oKE6c)

207 I can tell when I have been here too long as some type of dyslexia occurs. I keep seeing that NYT editor's name as "Slutzberger."

I hate that asphalt eating, burka's mean face. Customs should have stopped her on that photo alone...they hate us. So why allow them here? And some on welfare. And useless Congress voting, tomorrow, to make it even more welcoming. bah.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 10, 2015 12:35 AM (7lqMl)

freudian dyslexia?

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 12:37 AM (vb33c)

208 >>>I hate that asphalt eating, burka's mean face.
Customs should have stopped her on that photo alone...they hate us.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 10, 2015 12:35 AM (7lqMl)<<<

Yeah... she's one we definitely had no interest in groping, so we let her right on through.

Posted by: TSA agents at December 10, 2015 12:38 AM (H9MG5)

209 199 A single Windsor is still the thing for those who have to dress Business for their jobs, young or old.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 10, 2015 12:33 AM (3rK8j)

it is all four in hand, hardly anyone wears the windsor in either version.

In Silicon Valley, hardly anyone wears a tie these days......and good riddance.

One of the things that these style guides tend to gloss over is that ties have a standard length -- and if you want to get 'em to the right ending-point, a big guy is limited in his knot choices.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 10, 2015 12:38 AM (EzgxV)

210 I thought the suit article had some good tips like the width of your tie and the width of your lapel. Nothing major, just finishing touches for a great look. Its the kind of thing that can make a suit that's not super expensive and tailored still look decent on you.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 12:38 AM (39g3+)

211 it is all four in hand, hardly anyone wears the windsor in either version.
Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 12:34 AM (vb33c)

*****

I'm sure you think that's true. My lyin' business eyes tell me a different daily story.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 10, 2015 12:39 AM (3rK8j)

212
Yeah... she's one we definitely had no interest in groping, so we let her right on through.
Posted by: TSA agents at December 10, 2015 12:38 AM (H9MG5)

ugly is a strategy.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 12:39 AM (vb33c)

213 t is all four in hand, hardly anyone wears the windsor in either version.
Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 12:34 AM (vb33c)

*****

I'm sure you think that's true. My lyin' business eyes tell me a different daily story.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 10, 2015 12:39 AM (3rK8j)

more than sure my knowledge is better than yours.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 12:40 AM (vb33c)

214 A single Windsor is still the thing for those who have to dress Business for their jobs, young or old.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty
-----------------

Actually, I tie a reverse half Windsor. For me, and most English silk ties, that works well. I notice that many who appear on TV tie full Windsors that result in an out-sized knot. The material and lining of the tie will dictate the size of the knot.

Another gripe, when I see some guy in a formal-ish situation with a loose tie, I consider it to be roughly the equivalent of a guy wearing his hat backwards.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, on Permaban List at December 10, 2015 12:40 AM (9mTYi)

215 189 The glaring problem with the graph is they should start it on 9/11 not 9/12.
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 10, 2015 12:31 AM (BHl9S)

Classic leftist maneuver. Look up stats on lynching. They invariably start in 1870, for some reason. Why? I dunno; but perhaps the lynching of 11 blacks in NYC during the draft riots of 1863 is a consideration. If you start your stats in say, 1860, NYC is the lynching capital of America.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 10, 2015 12:41 AM (oKE6c)

216 WOOOOO!!! PENS WIN!!!!!

an early regular season game in Colorado. 854 games to go till the playoffs!!

Posted by: Puddleglum, grumbling Pirates fan at December 10, 2015 12:42 AM (syGA0)

217 No, that used to be a thing. It probably had to do with the hideous design for womens' glasses in the 1950s.

There was only one design, and it was ugly.

Posted by: rickl at December 10, 2015 12:27 AM (sdi6R)

Dorothy Parker was the author of the quote, "men don't make passes at girls who wear glasses", and it dates to the 1920's or early '30's, I believe. Vic would know for sure.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 10, 2015 12:42 AM (+y3Tj)

218 Ties are really the only thing men get to individualize themselves in formal and business wear, so giving that up seems... I dunno, misdirected.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 12:42 AM (39g3+)

219 A plurality of likely voters, 43%, rated Obama's response to the San Bernardino attack as "poor." Only 34% called it excellent or good, with the rest describing his response as fair. So nearly two-thirds considered Obama's response to be fair or poor.

Unfortunately, that also means 57% called TeleNegro's response fair, good or excellent. Nobody with half a brain can call his "response" anything near that.

Just another testament to the stupidity that has overrun this country.

Posted by: Blano at December 10, 2015 12:43 AM (C3E0x)

220 more than sure my knowledge is better than yours.
Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 12:40 AM (vb33c)

*****

I haven't noticed you drafting right behind me on those daily sales calls. I am going to have to improve my situational awareness, stat!

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 10, 2015 12:43 AM (3rK8j)

221 Another gripe, when I see some guy in a formal-ish situation with a loose tie, I consider it to be roughly the equivalent of a guy wearing his hat backwards.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, on Permaban List at December 10, 2015 12:40 AM (9mTYi)

you can tell a lot about a guy by the way he wears his tie.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 12:43 AM (vb33c)

222 Wherever he is now, I get the feeling that Maet spent some time in California.....
Posted by: cthulhu at December 10, 2015 12:28 AM (EzgxV)

Yeah but this was all before my time. I'm just going off what I've read over the years.

Neither governors nor presidents had any say in whether the non-dangerous mentally ill would be released. And it turned out that setting up a localized outpatient system would be crazy expensive - as in an order of magnitude or more more expensive than the state-run hospital system. Which is why pretty much no state ever created one. Plus you have the fact that a lot of the releasees had no interest in further treatment - no matter where it was located.

Posted by: Maetenloch at December 10, 2015 12:43 AM (pAlYe)

223 179
Yeah, really. You could selectively and surgically go through history to knock off fewer than 100 people and that would completely change society. There are maybe 25-30 people alive today who are the primary problem, and without them things would be very, very different.

Almost no changes in society come from large numbers, they come from small numbers with a lot of drive and influence leading larger numbers of people with the same desires, but lacking the influence and drive. Without George Soros, half the left's mechanism falls to pieces, for example. His money and all those institutions he built up are what sustains most of the cultural rot and insanity we're facing right now.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 12:28 AM (39g3+)

That is one of the greatest comments I've ever seen. Seriously.

It's both food for thought and a guide for action.

Posted by: rickl at December 10, 2015 12:44 AM (sdi6R)

224 But my point stands. You could equally well assert that Jews in America, en masse, have/had no desire to destroy America, and yet we have the Rosenbergs, Herbert Marcuse, Max Horkheimer, George Soros, Amy Goodman, Bernadine Doerhn, Mark Rudd,Tom Steyer, the Sulzbergers, the Meyers (owners of WaPo), and many others to prove that a relatively small minority in a group can cause a shitload of trouble.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 10, 2015 12:03 AM (oKE6c)

Why hello there...

Posted by: Zombie Agusto Pinochet at December 10, 2015 12:44 AM (vBeA5)

225 I think in addition to matching the knot size to the lapel size, men should also match the knot size to their stature. A big guy can pull off a double windsor without looking like his tie is eating his face.

Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2015 12:44 AM (Kqit+)

226 Real men wear bow ties... while watching baseball.

And NO BLUE JEANS!

And love Marco Rubio!

Posted by: George Will at December 10, 2015 12:45 AM (H9MG5)

227 I have no clue what the name for the knot I put into a tie is. But I can guarantee you that is what you will see me wearing at every function that requires a tie till the day I die.

Posted by: Willy J. at December 10, 2015 12:45 AM (wHX4r)

228 I think in addition to matching the knot size to the lapel size, men should also match the knot size to their stature. A big guy can pull off a double windsor without looking like his tie is eating his face.
Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2015 12:44 AM (Kqit+)

*****

True. See: Chris Christie.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 10, 2015 12:46 AM (3rK8j)

229 And NO BLUE JEANS!>>>

Didn't you mean to say Dungarees?

Posted by: Willy J. at December 10, 2015 12:46 AM (wHX4r)

230 That along with the vagrancy laws being overturned kind of flooded the streets with people who were at the fringes of society and contributing little to nothing. It used to be pretty easy to clean up a town with those two devices, but was it just and fair?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 12:25 AM (39g3+)

Is it just and fair that people who are incapable of taking care of themselves and are in real danger of disease and death are living on the streets? Some people are simply incapable of leading this "just and fair" life on their own, and should be institutionalized for their own good. Period.

Anyone who doubts that should take a peek at the list of people that have died in the elements in Anchorage over the past 10 years. Between the drinking, the drugs, and the just plain lack of coping skills, we have folks dropping dead even though we have Brother Francis shelter and Bean's Cafe. Housing and food, freely available, and still they are dying right and left.

None of those damned rights mean a thing once you are cold and dead.

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 10, 2015 12:46 AM (+YMhA)

231 Christopher, thanks for the link.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 10, 2015 12:47 AM (BHl9S)

232 It's both food for thought and a guide for action.

Not really, unless you have a time machine. You'd have to take them out before they became influential and important. Its too late to deal with the Soroses and Shulzbergers in the world, their impact is already here.

And who knows what we'd have if someone did go back in time? Would it be worse?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 12:47 AM (39g3+)

233 218 Ties are really the only thing men get to individualize themselves in formal and business wear, so giving that up seems... I dunno, misdirected.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 12:42 AM (39g3+)

The flaw in that reasoning is that they don't individualize.

The message of a suit is that looks don't matter; status matters. If you have fourteen people in identical suits, with all the rest deferring to one, you have a powerful image going into any situation.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 10, 2015 12:47 AM (EzgxV)

234 Reconstruction's not over.

Posted by: Ralph at December 10, 2015 12:48 AM (V+jJS)

235 Evening all. Just got back to the house after spending the afternoon screwing on the pier.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at December 10, 2015 12:48 AM (l3vZN)

236 You want to see a guy who can rock a suit or a sport jacket, and tie, look at Don Cherry on Hockey Night in Canada.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 10, 2015 12:48 AM (+y3Tj)

237 Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 10, 2015 12:03 AM (oKE6c)

Give it a rest, buddy boy. We've all heard about those evil Jooos already, and we know the drill.

It's just the facts, ya know? Just the facts. Except it always seems to come down to how horrible those Jooos are.

If it is that bad for you, maybe you should move to Germany and live with "yellow star" Merkel.

Really, enough.

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 10, 2015 12:48 AM (+YMhA)

238 I think in addition to matching the knot size to the lapel size, men should also match the knot size to their stature. A big guy can pull off a double windsor without looking like his tie is eating his face.
Posted by: Lauren
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Eggzackly. Which is why I commented that given the material of my ties, the reverse half Windsor works well for me. Lou Ferrigno, not so much

Posted by: Mike Hammer, on Permaban List at December 10, 2015 12:49 AM (9mTYi)

239 "The message of a suit is that looks don't matter;"

You say that to me when I'm wearing a 5000 dollar suit!??!

Posted by: GOB at December 10, 2015 12:49 AM (Kqit+)

240 Plus you have the fact that a lot of the releasees had no interest in further treatment - no matter where it was located.

Posted by: Maetenloch at December 10, 2015 12:43 AM (pAlYe)
Exactly. Which is why - I am reliably informed - they left the mental institutions in the first place, given the chance, and why the homeless (aka "mentally ill") only resort to shelters in extremis: they don't like the regimentation and/or the effects of the meds.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 10, 2015 12:49 AM (oKE6c)

241 230
A friend of mine is on the board of a shelter where I live. They will not let them in if they are on drugs or drinking. The others who refuse to go to the shelters are mentally ill. They refuse help.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 10, 2015 12:49 AM (BHl9S)

242 225 I think in addition to matching the knot size to the lapel size, men should also match the knot size to their stature. A big guy can pull off a double windsor without looking like his tie is eating his face.

Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2015 12:44 AM (Kqit+)

Yes, but (as noted upthread) he can only do this while wearing his tie down to the second button from his neck unless he buys custom-length ties. Or wears a vest to cover.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 10, 2015 12:50 AM (EzgxV)

243 My husband is despondent over the fact that all those suits and ties he used to wear in the Lower 48 just make him look like a California lawyer around here.

They have been shelved.

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 10, 2015 12:50 AM (+YMhA)

244 I think in addition to matching the knot size to the lapel size, men should also match the knot size to their stature. A big guy can pull off a double windsor without looking like his tie is eating his face.
Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2015 12:44 AM (Kqit+)

meh, fat guys usually can't wear a double windsor because their neck is so big there is nothing left over after the knot is tied.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 12:50 AM (vb33c)

245 Posted by: tcn in AK at December 10, 2015 12:48 AM (+YMhA)

Dispute my facts. Don't disparage me personally.

Thanks.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 10, 2015 12:50 AM (oKE6c)

246 They refuse help.
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 10, 2015 12:49 AM (BHl9S)

My point exactly.

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 10, 2015 12:51 AM (+YMhA)

247 Is it just and fair that people who are incapable of taking care of themselves and are in real danger of disease and death are living on the streets? Some people are simply incapable of leading this "just and fair" life on their own, and should be institutionalized for their own good. Period.

Its a tough one to call. The Supreme Court basically decided that you cannot deprive someone of the free exercise of their right to liberty unless they're a clear danger to themselves or others. They also decided against vagrancy laws for similar reasons: simply being without a fixed address or visible means of income is not sufficient cause for legal action.

Between these two decisions, yeah, society suffered. A lot of homeless on the streets, a lot of people who were trouble. Guys who talk to their bottle of booze, pissing on the walls, stinking up libraries and so on. Is it right to throw them in jail for not having a job? Or in an insane asylum for being weird? Objectively that seems wrong to me.

But then look at any big city and you have a notable population of people just like that, is it right for them to rot the city and take up resources to keep them alive? If we had more charity and more organizations helping them out independently, maybe it would work better. The poor will always be with us, for whatever reasons.

I'm just very uncomfortable with the government being able to decide you're unable to care for yourself properly so they can throw you in an institution and throw away the key.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 12:52 AM (39g3+)

248 I think in addition to matching the knot size to the lapel size, men should also match the knot size to their stature. A big guy can pull off a double windsor without looking like his tie is eating his face.
Posted by: Lauren
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you match your tie width to your lapel size, you match your knot to your collar.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 12:52 AM (vb33c)

249 Vests are a fat man's friend. Unless it's like a denim vest. Then not so much. Denim vests are friends to no one.

Posted by: GOB at December 10, 2015 12:52 AM (Kqit+)

250 Man, every time I refresh the page that jihadi bitch is staring at me with those cold, dead eyes.

Posted by: GOB at December 10, 2015 12:53 AM (Z/8dZ)

251 Talking to my aunt, who loves Trump, I suggested his big ego has been restrained by the law. What happens when he becomes the law?

She replied, "that's why we have guns."

Posted by: Ralph at December 10, 2015 12:53 AM (V+jJS)

252 /sock

Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2015 12:53 AM (Z/8dZ)

253 A handful? Really? Not to be contentious, but without Jews, we effectively wouldn't have a leftist problem in America today.

I would have to strongly disagree with this. European countries that had tossed their Jews out long ago (and the rest of them pretty much emptied Jews out in WWII) all have major leftist problems.

Jews have been at the forefront of leftism in America but they haven't been the cause of it. The West has a problem with self-hating leftism because the West is individualistic and self-hate is the disease of the weak personality in an individualistic culture.

If you dispute that, I'll list 100 names in support of this contention. Hard left politics is to Jews historically pretty much as terrorism is to Muslims currently. This is not a popular point, probably particularly not on the HQ, but I appeal to the higher minded to accept this perhaps unpalatable truth. Unpalatable truths are, nonetheless, truths.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 10, 2015 12:25 AM (oKE6c)

Jews have big self-hating leftist problem, no doubt. That's because Judaism uses guilt more than any other Western culture and self-hate is the result of weak personalities not being able to handle the guilt mechanism.

But, with Jews the thing is that you can pick pretty much any human endeavor (good or bad) and you will likely find very influential Jews in it. Not everything, but most pursuits of Man. So, as I wrote before, it's a matter of taking the bad with the good - measuring out what is at risk with each and making an assessment.

But to claim that there would be no leftist problem in America without Jews is a bit far, I would say. The movement would have been retarded a decade or two, in a fair accounting, but the WASPs are the ones who push mainstream leftism and who have traditionally wielded real power in America. And the WASP schools (the Ivies) didn't even allow in more than a handful of Jews through the mid 20th century.Central Park West was built by Jews because they couldn't get into the restricted buildings on 5th Avenue, which is perfectly fine with me and worked out pretty well for New York.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 10, 2015 12:53 AM (zc3Db)

254 Would moths be happier if they had eyes
How do they know they're not dead?

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 10, 2015 12:53 AM (B8JRQ)

255 you match your tie width to your lapel size, you match your knot to your collar.

This thread is making me lose the will to live.

Posted by: eleven at December 10, 2015 12:53 AM (qUNWi)

256 Dispute my facts. Don't disparage me personally.

Thanks.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 10, 2015 12:50 AM (oKE6c)

Okay, at what point did I disparage you? You are making a case against Jews in America. And this is how it starts.

Listing every person who acted against the interests of this country IF THEY WERE JEWISH is positively disingenuous.

Now, should I list the blacks, the hispanics, the muzzies, the papists, and the rest of those icky folks?

Like I said, enough.

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 10, 2015 12:53 AM (+YMhA)

257 The message of a suit is that looks don't matter; status matters.

My guess is if everyone wore a different outfit, the kind of job environment you're describing would still grind them all down into the status pecking order anyway. Even if one guy was buck naked and the other one dressed in a suit of armor, while the third is a pirate.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 12:54 AM (39g3+)

258
That first photo?

Two faces badly in need of a fist in them.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars(TM) at December 10, 2015 12:54 AM (BK3ZS)

259 meh, fat guys usually can't wear a double windsor because their neck is so big there is nothing left over after the knot is tied.
Posted by: yankeefifth

Heh. I think she was talking about short guys versus her preferred knock-head.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2015 12:54 AM (9YDUz)

260 The message of a suit is that looks don't matter; status matters. If you have fourteen people in identical suits, with all the rest deferring to one, you have a powerful image going into any situation.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 10, 2015 12:47 AM (EzgxV)

meh, it is not as identical as you might think it is. in an all suit setting you will see a range of suits from off the rack to high end custom made suits. you can pretty easily differentiate between the guy in the 1000 off the rack and the 10000 custom made. especially when the guy in the really expensive suit starts to opt for unique cuts colors and fabrics.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 12:55 AM (vb33c)

261 232 It's both food for thought and a guide for action.

Not really, unless you have a time machine. You'd have to take them out before they became influential and important. Its too late to deal with the Soroses and Shulzbergers in the world, their impact is already here.

And who knows what we'd have if someone did go back in time? Would it be worse?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 12:47 AM (39g3+)

Has nothing to do with a time machine.

Identifying the evildoers and eliminating them right here and now would be most beneficial.

Posted by: rickl at December 10, 2015 12:55 AM (sdi6R)

262 Spoiler alert if you have not seen Kingsman The Secret service movie.

Speaking of dressing well

"Manners Maketh Man"

http://preview.tinyurl.com/hzvmvht

Posted by: Willy J. at December 10, 2015 12:55 AM (wHX4r)

263 Now, should I list the blacks, the hispanics, the muzzies, the papists, and the rest of those icky folks?

Like I said, enough.

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 10, 2015 12:53 AM (+YMhA)
Please do.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 10, 2015 12:56 AM (oKE6c)

264 >>>it is all four in hand, hardly anyone wears the windsor in either version.

I hate ties, and struggle valiantly to avoid them, but when I do, it's either a Windsor or a double Windsor depending on the length of the tie.

I used a four-in-hand in HS, and not once since.

Posted by: DC in River City at December 10, 2015 12:56 AM (e+1S5)

265 you match your tie width to your lapel size, you match your knot to your collar.

This thread is making me lose the will to live.

Posted by: eleven at December 10, 2015 12:53 AM (qUNWi)

listen, there is right and wrong, you gotta learn sometime.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 12:56 AM (vb33c)

266 My husband is despondent over the fact that all those suits and ties he used to wear in the Lower 48 just make him look like a California lawyer around here.

They have been shelved.
Posted by: tcn in AK /

Um, define CA lawyer.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2015 12:56 AM (9YDUz)

267 "Two faces badly in need of a fist in them. "

Aren't they though? And that beard. Man, is the islamic beard ugly. And I like beards. My husband has a beard (hey, not like that...) but that scraggly patch of pubic hair that Mr. Jihadi is sporting just makes me want to grab it and shove his head into a toilet.

Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2015 12:56 AM (Z/8dZ)

268 Look, don't be a low energy loser who doesn't wear a tie. Go out and buy one of my ties. They're real classy.

You know who else didn't wear a tie, that guy in the first pic. I mean, come on, that collar... How you gonna look classy with a collar like that? When I'm President, no one will be let into the country if they don't have a nice tie.

Posted by: Teh Donald at December 10, 2015 12:56 AM (H9MG5)

269
How about the near-mythical triple knot?

Posted by: The Dirty Vicar of St. Michaels at December 10, 2015 12:56 AM (qul7b)

270 Sorry, but this is totally disingenuous. There was no evidence whatsoever that Muslims, en masse, have a burning desire to destroy America.

If you have a burning desire to live under Sharia law, you have a burning desire to destroy America. Period.

Posted by: Blano at December 10, 2015 12:56 AM (C3E0x)

271 So, I live in a sitcom. We started as old/young, boy/girl, black/white, and dog cat.

In the second season we added another dog, and then a boyfriend. Hilarity of course ensues.

Most of us are busy and we're rarely in the house at the same time. Yesterday we rescued another dog. We're having a rare kumbaya moment downstairs. Nearly all of the "family" together, fire roaring in the fireplace, new dog feeling the love.

Boyfriend comes home and has no reaction to girl saying her mom's about to go in for surgery, asks if she minds if he goes downstairs and plays video games with other boy. He emerges, takes some shit, she tells him to sleep on the couch.

She doesn't want him to sleep on the couch. She wants him to apologize and comfort her because she's worried about Mommy. He doesn't.

I'm just tending the fire (I'm a pyro and rather controlling about fires) and I say "I'm not really here, but this is where you go upstairs and apologize". He doesn't know what to say. I tell him what to say. (btw, I'm the old guy in this story). He doesn't.

So I retreat to my room. There's some yelling and running up and down the stairs.

The cat, who until recently didn't even like me, has decided to sleep in my room tonight.

The boyfriend is an idiot.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 10, 2015 12:56 AM (1xUj/)

272
Y'all know how to make both a handcuff knot and bondage knot from a tie, right?

Posted by: The Dirty Vicar of St. Michaels at December 10, 2015 12:57 AM (qul7b)

273 I do like a vest. Think that guy on Justified, wearing a vest even with jeans. And a nice pocket watch. The bad guy, can't think of his name. I loved that show.

Somehow, however, I read that entire suit article thinking no one but a ghey hipster has a seam ripper. I guess in their sewing box, next to their knitting needles, but to the right of the kitty litter.

I mean...a half knot for a small head, whole for large head,
and if you don't know ask a friend. wut? "Hey, Phil,is my head large or small?" Phil proceeds to give him an atomic wedgie.

In Floriduh, to be Baker Acted, you had to be determined to be a danger to yourself or others. Brought into ED and seen by a MD. Could have changed by now. Most were drunk. What was scary was to admit someone with a real mental illness, as no room at the mental hospital, to a regular floor. I had one guy, a new schizophrenic kid, walk into the office I was in, behind me. I turned around and, hello! Very sad kid, as he did not even recognize his own parents, who were completely baffled and helpless. This was on a regular overflow floor, and I was filling in for someone. He could have killed me quite dead and no one would have known for hours. Fortunately he was not in a bad mood, just psychotic and confused. It was not the first time I was on a floor and encountered this...as a new grad had to inject, through his jeans, a tranquilizer to a very confused guy wanting to open a window five floors above ground. THAT was scary.

On that happy note I will probably dream weird crap. G'nite you morons everywhere. xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 10, 2015 12:58 AM (7lqMl)

274 European countries that had tossed their Jews out long ago (and the rest of them pretty much emptied Jews out in WWII) all have major leftist problems.

Yeah, There just aren't enough Jews in any given nation (except Israel) to be a major influence through numbers. And the few very influential types are scattered very rarely across all ethnic groups regardless of background. George Soros is a Jew, but Valerie Jarrett is Arabic while Oprah Winfrey is African.

This need to blame the dirty Joo (five sided space- or ordinary) is very troubling to me and a lot of others.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 12:58 AM (39g3+)

275 Is it just and fair that people who are incapable of taking care of themselves and are in real danger of disease and death are living on the streets? Some people are simply incapable of leading this "just and fair" life on their own, and should be institutionalized for their own good. Period.

Anyone who doubts that should take a peek at the list of people that have died in the elements in Anchorage over the past 10 years. Between the drinking, the drugs, and the just plain lack of coping skills, we have folks dropping dead even though we have Brother Francis shelter and Bean's Cafe. Housing and food, freely available, and still they are dying right and left.
None of those damned rights mean a thing once you are cold and dead.
Posted by: tcn in AK at December 10, 2015 12:46 AM (+YMhA)

But one aspect of actual, real freedom is the freedom to be stupid. As in foolish, idiotic, acting against one's interests as seen from the outside, and even dangerously foolhardy.

So assuming they're not delusional and are capable of rational thought as a society we should give people the freedom to be dumb in how they choose to run their lives. And yes, sometime they will end up killing themselves with this freedom. It's sad.

Posted by: Maetenloch at December 10, 2015 12:58 AM (pAlYe)

276 239 "The message of a suit is that looks don't matter;"

You say that to me when I'm wearing a 5000 dollar suit!??!

Posted by: GOB at December 10, 2015 12:49 AM (Kqit+)

I've got a closet full of bespoke suits out of Hong Kong. Doubt I'll ever wear one again except in a coffin. They were each built entirely to my order and measurements....and were each as anonymous as possible. I went through a serious project a couple of years back to match 'em all up -- all the charcoal suits with various pinstripes and chalkstripes and weave patterns....some of 'em, I had to take them out into the sun to see the difference.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 10, 2015 12:58 AM (EzgxV)

277 dressed up for where I live is new wranglers, good boots and a sport coat. Suits are for a family members funeral.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 10, 2015 12:58 AM (BHl9S)

278

They have been shelved.
Posted by: tcn in AK /

Um, define CA lawyer.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2015 12:56 AM (9YDUz)

is that jihadi mouthpiece?

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 12:58 AM (vb33c)

279
You can get quite soft III-A protection in great looking vests now...

Posted by: The Dirty Vicar of St. Michaels at December 10, 2015 12:59 AM (qul7b)

280 is that jihadi mouthpiece?
Posted by: yankeefifth

Again, some narrowing?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2015 01:00 AM (9YDUz)

281 It may be too late to deal with them but they still deserve eternity in jail.

Posted by: Ralph at December 10, 2015 01:00 AM (V+jJS)

282 I know he's a douchey hipster and I know the actor is a gay guy, but the con man in White Collar always looked magnificent, so his style is definitely a good one. All but the trilby. Never go halfway on a hat. Get a fedora.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 01:00 AM (39g3+)

283 Anyone buy weapons lately? Since San Bernardino? About to get more and more ammo.

Posted by: Grumpy old man at December 10, 2015 12:02 AM (WQ7Wn)

Researching my next handgun purchase, buying extra mags for the one I have, and loading up on ammo for the range.

Posted by: Blano at December 10, 2015 01:01 AM (C3E0x)

284 more than sure my knowledge is better than yours. Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 12:40 AM (vb33c) ***** I haven't noticed you drafting right behind me on those daily sales calls. I am going to have to improve my situational awareness, stat! Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 10, 2015 12:43 AM (3rK8j)

1. no idea why you want to be argumentative with everything I say. you should talk to someone.

2. pretty sure door to door vacuum sales is not the height of tie tying.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 01:01 AM (vb33c)

285 But one aspect of actual, real freedom is the freedom to be stupid. As in foolish, stupid, acting against one's interests as seen from the outside, and even dangerously foolhardy. So assuming they're not delusional and are capable of rational thought as a society we should give people the freedom to be dumb in how they choose to run their lives. And yes, sometime they will end up killing themselves with this freedom. It's sad.

Posted by: Maetenloch at December 10, 2015 12:58 AM (pAlYe)

*****

Yep. This is the scary part of pure, unadulterated Freedom.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 10, 2015 01:02 AM (3rK8j)

286 Posted by: tcn in AK at December 10, 2015 12:48 AM (+YMhA)

No personal attacks please [points to old new banning policy]

Posted by: Maetenloch at December 10, 2015 01:04 AM (pAlYe)

287 The gun I'm the most interested in right now is the Mateba revolver. Seems to blend all the best aspects of both a semi auto and a revolver into one really sweet gun. Probably costs a fortune though.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 01:04 AM (39g3+)

288 So assuming they're not delusional and are capable of rational thought as a society we should give people the freedom to be dumb in how they choose to run their lives. And yes, sometime they will end up killing themselves with this freedom. It's sad.
Posted by: Maetenloch at December 10, 2015 12:58 AM (pAlYe)

Most of those to whom I refer are, in fact, not capable of rational thought. They remain on the street. And they end up dead, or, lately it seems, raped and left for dead.

There is no way to keep them safe for more than 72 hours, and then it's back to the same awful bare existence.

Yes, everyone is free to destroy his or herself, but it is not as if most of these folks were able to make that conscious choice.

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 10, 2015 01:05 AM (+YMhA)

289 1. no idea why you want to be argumentative with everything I say. you should talk to someone.

2. pretty sure door to door vacuum sales is not the height of tie tying.
Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 01:01 AM (vb33c)

*****

Uummm...I reply to very little of what you say, because I find your comments to be both vapid and inconsequential.

That said, I made comments about that which I see with my very own lyin'eyes every day, yet you seem determined to dispute my said daily real life experiences. Why?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 10, 2015 01:05 AM (3rK8j)

290 Dispute my facts. Don't disparage me personally.

Thanks.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 10, 2015 12:50 AM (oKE6c)

Well, I think one can get into dangerous ground when calling out the uber-leftist Jews, because, superficially, that smacks of anti-Semitism. Which is sort of silly, because the uber-leftist Jews were/are rarely devout practitioners of the Jewish faith.

I think the simplest explanation is that the Ashkenazi Jews, by the exigencies forced upon them by the rigors of living in a a hostile society, which often would not let them own land, grew to place great value on book learning and the professions, and as a result, intelligence was selected for in their offspring. (meaning: smart people were positively encouraged to marry smart people, and raise smart children) So, Askenazi Jews, as an ethnicity, tend to have a median IQ higher than other ethnicities in their milieu. So they tend to rise to the top in whatever field they put their minds to, science, medicine, the arts, politics, and crime, too. If they bend their will towards good, a lot of good gets done. If they bend their will towards evil, a lot of evil gets done. There's no conspiracy involved, and Judaism is not the root of Jewish Leftism.

In the case of islam, though, the koran and hadiths are very much at the root of jihadism and muslim atrocities, and the perps themselves will happily tell you so.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 10, 2015 01:05 AM (+y3Tj)

291 No personal attacks please [points to old new banning policy]
Posted by: Maetenloch at December 10, 2015 01:04 AM (pAlYe)

I apologize if Jay took this personally. It was meant toward the comment, and that alone.

If you are good with anti-Semitism, I guess I can't argue.

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 10, 2015 01:06 AM (+YMhA)

292 Boots definitely double as dress shoes in Texas. It's always funny though when someone not from Texas thinks they'll buy them some boots and then about has a heart attack when they see the price tag.

Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2015 01:07 AM (Z/8dZ)

293 This need to blame the dirty Joo (five sided space- or ordinary) is very troubling to me and a lot of others.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 12:58 AM (39g3+)

I don't think Jay was doing that. He was making a reasonable argument, outside of that one point. I just think he's wrong in that he's not analyzing the totality of Jewish contributions, the most important of which I pointed out in the first response, that if it weren't for Jews in America this nation would not have been the first with nukes, and that one issue determined who would be the world power in the last half of the 20th century, not to mention if someone else had gotten nukes first who knows what they would have done with that power - as they could have pretty much taken anything they wanted.

The issue of Jewish leftism in America pales in comparison to the issue of America having become the first nuclear power.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 10, 2015 01:07 AM (zc3Db)

294 The fact is that any nation that welcomed Jews has always prospered. In Europe, they use to be into doing that and then kicking the Jews out and taking their stuff, which interestingly almost always resulted in reduced prosperity for said country.

But, as with all things, you have to take the bad with the good. It's just a question of which outweighs which.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 10, 2015 12:16 AM (zc3Db)

"I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse him who curses you, and in you all the families of the earth will be blessed."

Genesis 12:3

Posted by: Blano at December 10, 2015 01:07 AM (C3E0x)

295 Who knew that The Great Tie debate would become so heated?

Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2015 01:08 AM (Kqit+)

296 >>>I do like a vest. Think that guy on Justified,
wearing a vest even with jeans. And a nice pocket watch. The bad guy,
can't think of his name. I loved that show.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 10, 2015 12:58 AM (7lqMl)<<<

Why, that would Boyd Crowder, ma'am. And I most certainly preferred my manner of dress in Justified to that of Sons of Anarchy.

Posted by: Walton Goggins at December 10, 2015 01:08 AM (H9MG5)

297 Uummm...I reply to very little of what you say, because I find your comments to be both vapid and inconsequential.

That said, I made comments about that which I see with my very own lyin'eyes every day, yet you seem determined to dispute my said daily real life experiences. Why?
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 10, 2015 01:05 AM (3rK8j)

maybe you life experiences are not sufficiently large to draw meaningful conclusions from.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 01:08 AM (vb33c)

298 If you are good with anti-Semitism, I guess I can't argue.
Posted by: tcn in AK at December 10, 2015 01:06 AM (+YMhA)

Then argue against his arguments rather than just call him names.

Posted by: Maetenloch at December 10, 2015 01:08 AM (pAlYe)

299
I am very prejudiced against dirty nuns...

Posted by: The Dirty Vicar of St. Michaels at December 10, 2015 01:09 AM (qul7b)

300 Then argue against his arguments rather than just call him names.
Posted by: Maetenloch at December 10, 2015 01:08 AM (pAlYe)

Um, what name? I'm not being argumentative, but where did I call him something?

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 10, 2015 01:09 AM (+YMhA)

301 Maet, I think burka beetch is making people cranky tonight. Perhaps photo shop her face and pubic beard with photos of goats? I dunno, but she is freaking me out. Evil. Pure evil walks among us, always has, but this "religion" of peace is anything but peaceful.

Now I am really going to have bad dreams.

Morons, try not to get banned, darlings.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 10, 2015 01:10 AM (7lqMl)

302 Well yeah. Overall the scales tip gigantically to the positive for Jewish contributions to the world, especially given their relatively small numbers. The number of nobel prize winners who are Jewish -- and this s from back when it actually meant something -- is vastly disproportionate to their population.

You can also list the number of particularly damaging and troublesome Jews as being disproportionate to their population as well, but that's again a result of their culture and heritage. Jewish people are raised to be literate, toward critical thinking, and with the Judeo- side of the Judeo-Christian heritage, which is very powerful in shaping someone's thinking and approach. When this is bent toward evil, it becomes very evil indeed as in Karl Marx and Sigmund Freud.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 01:10 AM (39g3+)

303 Well, I think one can get into dangerous ground when calling out the
uber-leftist Jews, because, superficially, that smacks of anti-Semitism.

Which fortunately he hasn't given us any reason to suspect.

83.
But a small but significant proportion of Holocaust era Jews -
specifically, the Frankfurt School - very much had a burning desire to
destroy America. See: Marcuse, Horkheimer, et al. We should have let
Adolf sort them out.

Oh.

Now some might say this is using a broadsword where a scalpel is called for.

I'd say it's a pretty goshdarn unfortunate choice of words.

Posted by: Methos at December 10, 2015 01:11 AM (ZbV+0)

304 I am very prejudiced against dirty nuns...

That explains why you've been busted hanging out in their showers.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 10, 2015 01:11 AM (YJmuy)

305 Who knew that The Great Tie debate would become so heated?

Someone upthread referred to Windsor and Double Windsor, which are not things that exist. There's a Half Windsor and a Full Windsor.

And yet I did not crossbow him in the knees.

See how that's not heated?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 10, 2015 01:12 AM (1xUj/)

306 Then argue against his arguments rather than just call him names.

Posted by: Maetenloch at December 10, 2015 01:08 AM (pAlYe)

Thank you.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 10, 2015 01:13 AM (oKE6c)

307 Um, what name? I'm not being argumentative, but where did I call him something?
Posted by: tcn in AK at December 10, 2015 01:09 AM (+YMhA)

You're right you didn't - I misread your comment. But you did strongly imply that he's an anti-Semite.

Posted by: Maetenloch at December 10, 2015 01:13 AM (pAlYe)

308 maybe you life experiences are not sufficiently large to draw meaningful conclusions from.
Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 01:08 AM (vb33c)

***

Well sure. There is that, cuz what I see every day can't possibly be an indicator. I'm guessing you are either a mid level customer service or an IT support guy. Amirite?

Pissed off at Da Man?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 10, 2015 01:13 AM (3rK8j)

309 And yet I did not crossbow him in the knees.

A longbow would have been better anyway
*ducks*

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 01:14 AM (39g3+)

310 Now some might say this is using a broadsword where a scalpel is called for.

I'd say it's a pretty goshdarn unfortunate choice of words.

Posted by: Methos at December 10, 2015 01:11 AM (ZbV+0)
That's fair enough. But my point was that of all the people we saved, we chose the least meritorious of the candidates.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 10, 2015 01:14 AM (oKE6c)

311 And yet I did not crossbow him in the knees.

A longbow would have been better anyway

*ducks*

Doesn't anybody just stab anymore?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 10, 2015 01:14 AM (YJmuy)

312 You want to see a guy who can rock a suit or a sport jacket, and tie, look at Don Cherry on Hockey Night in Canada.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 10, 2015 12:48 AM (+y3Tj)

Amen to that. Guy always looks like a million bucks no matter what outfit he's sporting.

Posted by: Blano at December 10, 2015 01:15 AM (C3E0x)

313 "See how that's not heated?"

That's because you were distracted by your roommate's boyfriend's blunder.

Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2015 01:16 AM (Z/8dZ)

314 I am rarely awake to be caught in the cross-fire.

Now, knock it off. I don't want to lose anyone else. You are all a bunch of morons.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 10, 2015 01:16 AM (7lqMl)

315 Man I hate that bitch's face.

Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2015 01:17 AM (Z/8dZ)

316 I wouldn't want to look like him but David Suchet as Poirot always looks perfect, just absolutely not a speck wrong perfect on the TV show. Its hilarious how he stands out from everyone else who looks more normal around him.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 01:17 AM (39g3+)

317 >>>Doesn't anybody just stab anymore?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 10, 2015 01:14 AM (YJmuy)<<<

Them darn belt buckles make things tricky...

Posted by: Dr. Ben Carson at December 10, 2015 01:18 AM (H9MG5)

318 295 Who knew that The Great Tie debate would become so heated?
Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2015 01:08 AM (Kqit+)

That's only because the Long Windsor haters can't accept the Cross-Windsors.

Posted by: Maetenloch at December 10, 2015 01:18 AM (pAlYe)

319 Man I hate that bitch's face.

Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2015 01:17 AM (Z/8dZ)

When Teletubbies go bad.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 10, 2015 01:18 AM (+y3Tj)

320 That's because you were distracted by your roommate's boyfriend's blunder.

Well, you're a girl. You know these things.

He's an idiot, right?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 10, 2015 01:18 AM (1xUj/)

321 Me too Lauren. Boy she's homely.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 10, 2015 01:19 AM (BHl9S)

322 "When Teletubbies go bad."

Ok, I laughed so hard at this that I woke up the baby.

Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2015 01:19 AM (Z/8dZ)

323 Well sure. There is that, cuz what I see every day can't possibly be an indicator. I'm guessing you are either a mid level customer service or an IT support guy. Amirite?

Pissed off at Da Man?
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 10, 2015 01:13 AM (3rK8j)

seriously, that's the best you can do as an insult or an estimation of my career? "Pissed off at Da Man?"
what's that even mean?

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 01:19 AM (vb33c)

324 Them darn belt buckles make things tricky...
Posted by: Dr. Ben Carson

That's why you started cutting heads open?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 10, 2015 01:19 AM (YJmuy)

325 But you did strongly imply that he's an anti-Semite.
Posted by: Maetenloch at December 10, 2015 01:13 AM (pAlYe)

Nope. Said his comment was anti-Semitic. And I'm not the only one who has noticed.

I really am trying to stick to the rules here.

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 10, 2015 01:19 AM (+YMhA)

326 Maet, I am telling you that the problem is refreshing to see comments and that bitch is evil at the top. Put up a warning link. I think she is making people go loco tonight. Or, possibly, this is a quiet night in the ONT corral.

Husband is paging me. He is only wearing a vest and pocket watch...

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 10, 2015 01:20 AM (7lqMl)

327 seriously, that's the best you can do as an insult or an estimation of my career? "Pissed off at Da Man?"
what's that even mean?
Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 01:19 AM (vb33c)

****

I can explain it to you, but I can not comprehend it for you.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 10, 2015 01:20 AM (3rK8j)

328 I can explain it to you, but I can not comprehend it for you.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 10, 2015 01:20 AM (3rK8j)

?

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 01:21 AM (vb33c)

329 "He's an idiot, right?"

Yes, obviously. She's sad, it doesn't matter why, the best thing to do is to put his arm around her and say "it's ok sweetie, I'm here" and let her be sad. I don't know why men find this oh so hard, but I promise you all if you would just do this, you would benefit greatly from it.

Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2015 01:21 AM (Z/8dZ)

330 He is only wearing a vest and pocket watch...

Is the bottom button of his vest done up? Because that's a no-no.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 01:21 AM (39g3+)

331 >>>Someone upthread referred to Windsor and Double Windsor, which are not things that exist. There's a Half Windsor and a Full Windsor.

Not "someone", me. Feel free to call me out when I'm factually incorrect. I like learning. That's part of being a grown up, I think.

I'm just a dumb construction worker turned Marine turned restaurant manager who lucked into a job where I have to wear fancy clothes. Still hate ties, but at least I know that my preferred knot is a full Windsor.

Posted by: DC in River City at December 10, 2015 01:22 AM (e+1S5)

332 But a small but significant proportion of Holocaust era Jews -
specifically, the Frankfurt School - very much had a burning desire to
destroy America. See: Marcuse, Horkheimer, et al. We should have let
Adolf sort them out.

Oh.

Now some might say this is using a broadsword where a scalpel is called for.

I'd say it's a pretty goshdarn unfortunate choice of words.

Posted by: Methos at December 10, 2015 01:11 AM (ZbV+0)

Tanned, rested, and ready, baby!

Posted by: Zombie Agusto Pinochet at December 10, 2015 01:23 AM (vBeA5)

333 When Teletubbies go bad.

https://youtu.be/poM5e3fXW4g

Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 10, 2015 01:23 AM (YJmuy)

334 >>>Doesn't anybody just stab anymore?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 10, 2015 01:14 AM (YJmuy)<<<

Girl in Chitown stabbed her boyfriend to death because he pulled her hair.

Posted by: Ralph at December 10, 2015 01:23 AM (V+jJS)

335 . I don't know why men find this oh so hard, but I promise you all if you would just do this, you would benefit greatly from it.

Because when someone presents us with a problem, we logically assume they are looking for a solution, not a hug. Its how our minds work. If you weren't looking for answers, why did you ask a question?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 01:23 AM (39g3+)

336 "When Teletubbies go bad."

Ok, I laughed so hard at this that I woke up the baby.

Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2015 01:19 AM (Z/8dZ)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE0YF5OzRlo

Posted by: Nazitübbies at December 10, 2015 01:23 AM (vBeA5)

337 I'm just a dumb construction worker turned Marine turned restaurant manager who lucked into a job where I have to wear fancy clothes. Still hate ties, but at least I know that my preferred knot is a full Windsor.
Posted by: DC in River City at December 10, 2015 01:22 AM (e+1S5)

go with the four in hand you will be happier.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 01:24 AM (vb33c)

338 But you did strongly imply that he's an anti-Semite.
Posted by: Maetenloch at December 10, 2015 01:13 AM (pAlYe)

Nope. Said his comment was anti-Semitic. And I'm not the only one who has noticed.

I really am trying to stick to the rules here.

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 10, 2015 01:19 AM (+YMhA)

I will second the anti-Semitic implication.

Posted by: Blano at December 10, 2015 01:24 AM (C3E0x)

339 When Teletubbies go bad.

https://youtu.be/poM5e3fXW4g

Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 10, 2015 01:23 AM (YJmuy)

ONT moron minds think alike...

Posted by: The Overnight Hat at December 10, 2015 01:24 AM (vBeA5)

340 Still hate ties, but at least I know that my preferred knot is a full Windsor.

Allegedly every girl's crazy about a sharp-dressed man. And, bonus: you have healthy knees still.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 01:24 AM (39g3+)

341 Big Gulps, huh? Whelp, see ya later.

Posted by: DC in River City at December 10, 2015 01:25 AM (e+1S5)

342 "Girl in Chitown stabbed her boyfriend to death because he pulled her hair."

The lesser known response song to "Boyz in da hood"

"You grab my weave and I will stab your ass"

Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2015 01:25 AM (Z/8dZ)

343 I will second the anti-Semitic implication.

Sure was looking like that to me as well.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 01:25 AM (39g3+)

344 DC, I knew there was a reason I liked you: Marine. xoxo

Husband in vest now turning off lights and asking, once again, what I am typingggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 10, 2015 01:25 AM (7lqMl)

345 I will second the anti-Semitic implication.
Posted by: Blano at December 10, 2015 01:24 AM (C3E0x)

****

Consider me a third on that.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 10, 2015 01:25 AM (3rK8j)

346 I'd say at least half those suit rules are crap, and most of the models look like shit. They look like young men wearing suits that only fit them when they were teenagers.

Articles like that are what happens when you get your fashion advice from gay men.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 10, 2015 01:26 AM (Wckf4)

347 I watched an entire documentary about black womens' hair and to this day I still don't get it. I think Baldilocks has the right idea.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 01:27 AM (39g3+)

348 Not "someone", me. Feel free to call me out when I'm factually incorrect. I like learning. That's part of being a grown up, I think.

Hey, I hadn't noticed who posted it so my comment wasn't aimed at you. Just needed to have fun with the "heated tie wars".

So, just for my personal prejudices, you can pull off a Full Windsor if you're Ronald Reagan, but he could get away with brown and orange suits.

For me it's Half Windsor or Four in Hand. The key to both is the dimple. You want a nice symmetrical dimple just below the knot.

I say this as a guy who wears a tie to a wedding or a funeral a couple of times a year, but I was quasi-Wall Street back in the 80s and the lessons stuck.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 10, 2015 01:27 AM (1xUj/)

349 Well this seems just a bit more personal-oriented than comment-oriented:

>>It's just the facts, ya know? Just the facts. Except it always seems to come >>down to how horrible those Jooos are.
>>If it is that bad for you, maybe you should move to Germany and live with >>"yellow star" Merkel.
>>Really, enough.
>>Posted by: tcn in AK at December 10, 2015 12:48 AM (+YMhA)

Proper AoSHQ style would have been something along the lines of 'Wow you sure do seem concerned about those Joos' or 'Please tell us more about the perfidy of the Joo immigrants'.

Posted by: Maetenloch at December 10, 2015 01:28 AM (pAlYe)

350 331 >>>Someone upthread referred to Windsor and Double Windsor, which are not things that exist. There's a Half Windsor and a Full Windsor.

Not "someone", me. Feel free to call me out when I'm factually incorrect. I like learning. That's part of being a grown up, I think.

I'm just a dumb construction worker turned Marine turned restaurant manager who lucked into a job where I have to wear fancy clothes. Still hate ties, but at least I know that my preferred knot is a full Windsor.

Posted by: DC in River City at December 10, 2015 01:22 AM (e+1S5)

Double Windsor in 2015 bitches! Eat it!

http://tinyurl.com/orjdarh

Posted by: Marty McFly at December 10, 2015 01:29 AM (zt+N6)

351 G'night everyone.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 10, 2015 01:29 AM (YJmuy)

352 I'm a dirty jobs guy. Ties and even wedding rings are verboten. Grew up in the city though and dad went to work everyday in a suit. So church and formal attire was always a full suit.Moved out to the country and was surprised when I showed up to a funeral in a suit and tie and nobody else was dressed up almost at all.

Posted by: Willy J. at December 10, 2015 01:29 AM (wHX4r)

353 I have a hard time wearing a tie because I have a large neck. Its not fat, its just broad, and I cannot button the top button on any shirt without passing out soon afterward. Assuming the button holds. If I get a shirt that matches my neck, it fits the rest of me like a circus tent.

When I absolutely had to wear a tie, I got one of those expander deelies, and that worked okay. I like ties, but I don't own a suit and couldn't afford one anyway. If I had a grand lying around I'd use it as a down payment on fixing the wiring in the house. This heap was built in 1919 and the wiring dates back that far, I think. Its single strand in the walls with paper wrappings in part of the areas. I fear fire every night when I go to sleep.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 01:30 AM (39g3+)

354 316 I wouldn't want to look like him but David Suchet as Poirot always looks perfect, just absolutely not a speck wrong perfect on the TV show. Its hilarious how he stands out from everyone else who looks more normal around him.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 01:17 AM (39g3+)

He always looked perfectly prissy -- but this is not the best look for a man.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 10, 2015 01:30 AM (EzgxV)

355

Anti-Samite? Who the hell is anti samite? the Silk Worm Liberation Army? Mulberry Trees United for Justice and Not Being Eaten?

Posted by: The Dirty Vicar of St. Michaels at December 10, 2015 01:32 AM (qul7b)

356 have a hard time wearing a tie because I have a large neck. Its not fat, its just broad, and I cannot button the top button on any shirt without passing out soon afterward. Assuming the button holds. If I get a shirt that matches my neck, it fits the rest of me like a circus tent.

When I absolutely had to wear a tie, I got one of those expander deelies, and that worked okay. I like ties, but I don't own a suit and couldn't afford one anyway. If I had a grand lying around I'd use it as a down payment on fixing the wiring in the house. This heap was built in 1919 and the wiring dates back that far, I think. Its single strand in the walls with paper wrappings in part of the areas. I fear fire every night when I go to sleep.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 01:30 AM (39g3+)

you know those shirts come in different sizes, collars and sleeves.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 01:32 AM (vb33c)

357 Yeah Poirot is a bit too bandbox, a man has to seem like he's ready at any time to ride a horse or chop wood, if need be.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 01:32 AM (39g3+)

358
Maet, please don't pull the car over. That A ampersand W we always stop at is just 15 minutes ahead, and then Disneyland is just another 30 minutes!

Posted by: rhomboid at December 10, 2015 01:33 AM (QDnY+)

359 347 I watched an entire documentary about black womens' hair and to this day I still don't get it. I think Baldilocks has the right idea.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 01:27 AM (39g3+)

You must have missed SMFH or the smiling parka pic of......oh, shit, my own personal brain-damage strikes again.....

Posted by: cthulhu at December 10, 2015 01:33 AM (EzgxV)

360 you know those shirts come in different sizes, collars and sleeves.

Not the shirts I can afford

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 01:34 AM (39g3+)

361 >>>... This heap was built in 1919 and the wiring dates
back that far, I think. Its single strand in the walls with paper
wrappings in part of the areas. I fear fire every night when I go to
sleep.
.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 01:30 AM (39g3+)
<<<

Probably knob and tube with cotton insulation.
Ever put a match to untreated cotton?

Posted by: Ralph at December 10, 2015 01:35 AM (V+jJS)

362 Because when someone presents us with a problem, we logically assume they are looking for a solution, not a hug. Its how our minds work. If you weren't looking for answers, why did you ask a question?

Obligatory "I'm thirsty" scene from White Men Can't Jump.

https://youtu.be/ajBHZKoKYbU

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 10, 2015 01:35 AM (1xUj/)

363 I'ma gonna back slowly towards the door here...
Ya'll don't do anything hasty or rash till I close it, OK?

I hate ties, the best knot I can think to use is the one that chokes the fastest.

The next time I'm in a suit I'll be dead.

Posted by: Gmac at December 10, 2015 01:35 AM (4pjhs)

364 Scary wiring aside, a 1919 house sounds pretty awesome.

Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2015 01:36 AM (Kqit+)

365 you know those shirts come in different sizes, collars and sleeves.

Not the shirts I can afford
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 01:34 AM (39g3+)

you got me there

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 01:36 AM (vb33c)

366 353 I have a hard time wearing a tie because I have a large neck. Its not fat, its just broad, and I cannot button the top button on any shirt without passing out soon afterward. Assuming the button holds. If I get a shirt that matches my neck, it fits the rest of me like a circus tent.

When I absolutely had to wear a tie, I got one of those expander deelies, and that worked okay. I like ties, but I don't own a suit and couldn't afford one anyway. If I had a grand lying around I'd use it as a down payment on fixing the wiring in the house. This heap was built in 1919 and the wiring dates back that far, I think. Its single strand in the walls with paper wrappings in part of the areas. I fear fire every night when I go to sleep.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 01:30 AM (39g3+)

If you have over a 16" neck, your chance of having OSA rises exponentially -- are you on CPAP?

Posted by: cthulhu at December 10, 2015 01:36 AM (EzgxV)

367 I am impressed by all the sartorial knowledge on display tonight. I guess this really is a smart millinery blog after all.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 10, 2015 01:36 AM (NeFrd)

368
Which tie knot works best as , ah, a, you know, ah, blood circulation through a certain anatomy part restriction device?

Asking for a friend. No, not a friend, a neighbor, no not them, I mean the woman in the red frock dress standing over by the punch bowl...

Posted by: The Dirty Vicar of St. Michaels at December 10, 2015 01:38 AM (qul7b)

369 358
Maet, please don't pull the car over. That A ampersand W we always stop at is just 15 minutes ahead, and then Disneyland is just another 30 minutes!

Posted by: rhomboid at December 10, 2015 01:33 AM (QDnY+)

Closed. Moose out front should'a told ya.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 10, 2015 01:38 AM (EzgxV)

370
Groan.

Muldoon!

Posted by: rhomboid at December 10, 2015 01:38 AM (QDnY+)

371 you know those shirts come in different sizes, collars and sleeves.
Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 01:32 AM (vb33c)

Within a certain range of combinations. Which is great if you fall into that range.

Me - I have broad shoulders and a thick neck but relatively short arms. So I'm resigned to having the cuffs adjusted on every shirt I buy and just factor the tailoring cost into the shirt price.

Posted by: Maetenloch at December 10, 2015 01:39 AM (pAlYe)

372 Posted by: Maetenloch at December 10, 2015 01:28 AM (pAlYe)

Okay, dude, I'm out. Didn't realize that characterizing a comment made a personal attack. Didn't realize that stating what half the folks here were thinking was a horrible offense.

Not to worry.

Jay is in his safe space here.

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 10, 2015 01:39 AM (+YMhA)

373 a nano-helicopter

------------------

Punk.

*slap*

Posted by: Microhelicopter at December 10, 2015 01:39 AM (/f6Nd)

374
Uh oh.

What's that? A faint buzzing sound in the background?

Posted by: rhomboid at December 10, 2015 01:39 AM (QDnY+)

375
Probably knob and tube with cotton insulation.

Yeah I think that's right, from what I understand. Still nervewracking. We need rewiring, bad. And replumbing. And insulation. And new windows. They're ancient sash and weight jobs that still work but people have painted over the damn ropes so much some of them broke and they don't balance any more.

Its a great house, just getting old and we can't afford to fix it up the way it needs. Even has a full basement and a pretty big porch.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 01:39 AM (39g3+)

376
tcn, to switch back to the other topic, I'm guessing more standard garb up where you are is Carrharts, boots, flannel shirt, and a good pocket knife?

(brother lives in your 'hood, some experience with this)

Posted by: rhomboid at December 10, 2015 01:41 AM (QDnY+)

377 I tied some ties several years ago and didn't untie them when I took them off. That way I don't have to worry about tying them right again in the future. I don't know if they are Windsor knots or something else, I don't care either.

Posted by: Blano at December 10, 2015 01:42 AM (C3E0x)

378 Because when someone presents us with a problem, we logically assume they are looking for a solution, not a hug. Its how our minds work. If you weren't looking for answers, why did you ask a question?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 01:23 AM (39g3+)

Then boyfriend is choosing not to help fix this problem. Not all problems are fun engineering challenges. She stated her problem is that she's worried about her mother. A logical solution would be to offer her comfort.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at December 10, 2015 01:42 AM (GzDYP)

379 375
Sounds like my house. Built in 1927. The glass in the windows is dangerous. All the windows are double hung. The fuses are glass.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 10, 2015 01:42 AM (BHl9S)

380 Me - I have broad shoulders and a thick neck but relatively short arms. So I'm resigned to having the cuffs adjusted on every shirt I buy and just factor the tailoring cost into the shirt price.
Posted by: Maetenloch at December 10, 2015 01:39 AM (pAlYe)

so you are also ewokian in dimensions?

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 01:43 AM (vb33c)

381 your chance of having OSA rises exponentially -- are you on CPAP?

Nah, that's one part of my health that's fine.

Little bitty drones, the military has been using those for a long time. I knew a tank commander for the local guard who was shipped over for the Iraq rebuilding. In typical military genius planning he ended up doing diplomatic stuff dealing with the local village elders and flying those little drones (or their predecessors) in '05 I think it was. Just a camera and wings and an engine. He had to throw them to get them started, because the launcher was hinky. I'm not sure he even drove in a tank much.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 01:43 AM (39g3+)

382

man it's been harder to get a snicker out y'all the last couple of nights than getting a rise out of a post op tranny with ED and diabetes...

Posted by: The Dirty Vicar of St. Michaels at December 10, 2015 01:43 AM (qul7b)

383 "Its a great house, just getting old and we can't afford to fix it up the way it needs. Even has a full basement and a pretty big porch."

Since it's a historic home you might check to see if there are any grant programs available to help. And do it with zero guilt, because Cloward Pivan, baby.

Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2015 01:44 AM (Kqit+)

384 so you are also ewokian in dimensions?
Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 01:43 AM (vb33c)

No not really - just have enough t-rex syndrome to fall outside the standard size combinations.

Posted by: Maetenloch at December 10, 2015 01:44 AM (pAlYe)

385 No not really - just have enough t-rex syndrome to fall outside the standard size combinations.
Posted by: Maetenloch at December 10, 2015 01:44 AM (pAlYe)

heh

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 01:45 AM (vb33c)

386 If you have over a 16" neck, your chance of having OSA rises exponentially -- are you on CPAP?
Posted by: cthulhu at December 10, 2015 01:36 AM (EzgxV)

****

I have heard that, and have to disagree. I have an 18" neck, no issues here. A number of friends what I work out with, only a couple have these issues. It is a situational thing.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 10, 2015 01:45 AM (3rK8j)

387 I tied some ties several years ago and didn't untie them when I took them off.

Yeah I did the same thing back when I had the job. I wore a knit tie most of the time. I dunno if it was any good or not, the girls there seemed to like me anyway even if the tie sucked. I don't unbutton my button-down shirts, either. One button at the top, then just pull them off. Seems like a waste of time to redo them every single time you dress and undress.

I think if I were richer, people would call me eccentric.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 01:46 AM (39g3+)

388 double vent butt flaps?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, on Permaban List at December 10, 2015 12:34 AM (9mTYi)

There's nothing wrong with double vent 'butt' flaps. Now leathery piss flaps, that's a whole 'nother subject.

Posted by: RickZ at December 10, 2015 01:47 AM (Lc+NQ)

389 The fuses are glass.>>>

You are lucky some aren't supplemented with pennies.

Posted by: Willy J. at December 10, 2015 01:47 AM (wHX4r)

390 Scary wiring aside, a 1919 house sounds pretty awesome.

Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2015 01:36 AM (Kqit+)

Stately Peon Manor here in Alberta began its existence as a one-room schoolhouse, built in 1915. Was decommissioned as a school in the early 1950's, and converted to a house sometime thereafter. Floor upstairs is all edge-grain fir. I stripped out the wall-to-wall carpet, and the floor beneath is in real tough shape; more (common, not finishing) nailheads per square foot than jihadi Jane's face has zits.

And, for the record, I don't think Jay Guevara is an anti-Semite. I think he made an accurate observation, but used some ill-chosen words in doing so.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 10, 2015 01:48 AM (+y3Tj)

391
I'd have to spend some time with those confusing backwards illustrated definitions of Windsor knots and then the four-in-hand to know the difference, but I've always tied a tie the same way. Easy, the material as someone noted determines size of knot, and depending on material the dimple is not too hard and does look better.

A geologic epoch ago, work took me to Rome regularly, and just the other day Icame across the collection of thin ties I accumulated from a small shop right in front of the Trevi fountain. They are very nice, silk is fantastic. But as the link and others have said, it is better to match them with thinner lapels.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 10, 2015 01:48 AM (QDnY+)

392 Since it's a historic home you might check to see if there are any grant programs available to help. And do it with zero guilt, because Cloward Pivan, baby.
Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2015 01:44 AM (Kqit+)

Be careful that the program doesn't put you under their restrictions, tho.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at December 10, 2015 01:48 AM (GzDYP)

393 I don't know if its because I have a headache and a cold or just getting old or what, but I just feel zero excitement or interest in the new Star Wars movie.

I think its because Abrams did such a hack job on Star Trek I can't get hopeful.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 01:49 AM (39g3+)

394 Had one that was built in 1920, it was a work of art. But, yeah, one needs skill and time and money or a lot more money.

Posted by: Ralph at December 10, 2015 01:49 AM (V+jJS)

395 Gents looking for bespoke pieces on a budget should look at Indochino.com

Not shilling for them, but I wish I were.

I have odd ball measurements, and their basic blue work suit worked for me.

The key being that you have to get an accurate measurement.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2015 01:49 AM (9YDUz)

396
Four in hand? Mine's more like an 8 in hand.

just sayin.

Posted by: The Dirty Vicar of St. Michaels at December 10, 2015 01:49 AM (qul7b)

397 Posted by: cthulhu at December 09, 2015 11:23 PM (EzgxV)
come to the embedded, enstompededness, wtf?
dark it is not.

Posted by: micky at December 10, 2015 01:50 AM (LBYzV)

398
Be careful that the program doesn't put you under their restrictions, tho.

Yeah they are pretty hardcore around here with historic buildings. The local church is 8 steps up to the sanctuary and they can't get the permits to build ramps or anything because its a 19th century historic building.

Its kind of weird, Oregon actually settled earlier than much of the USA because of its coastal location, so it has older buildings than a lot of the country.

Of course, old is relative. You get to Europe and they have buildings that predate Christ.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 01:51 AM (39g3+)

399 Willy, what does that mean? The breaker box fuses look like little light bulbs. The kitchen and master bathroom were remodeled and those have regular switches.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 10, 2015 01:52 AM (BHl9S)

400
Well Maet I have Silverback (vs. t-rex) syndrome - arm length a full inch longer than "normal" for neck size. So, a life-time of trouble finding shirts with sleeves the right length.

Some brands would have the right size combo, but it was always doubtful.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 10, 2015 01:53 AM (QDnY+)

401 Gents looking for bespoke pieces on a budget should look at Indochino.com

There's a thing I wish I had the budget for and maybe I'd be a clothes horse again.

It's called Trunk Club. They have clothes buyers who get to know your style, then they send you stuff they think you'll like. You keep what you want and send the rest back.

Now, in addition to not having the money I'm not constitutionally capable of remembering to send things back or knowing where the post office is. So this totally wouldn't work for actual me.

Alternate me who is a better person would enjoy the service.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 10, 2015 01:53 AM (1xUj/)

402 I don't know if its because I have a headache and a cold or just getting old or what, but I just feel zero excitement or interest in the new Star Wars movie.

I think its because Abrams did such a hack job on Star Trek I can't get hopeful.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 01:49 AM (39g3+)

Nothing in the trailers has gotten me "excited," and Disney is part of my boycott, but there's a part of me that would like to see another great Star Wars movie again a la Empire Strikes Back.

Posted by: Blano at December 10, 2015 01:54 AM (C3E0x)

403 Yikes 1 am. I better get to bed since my horde is up bright and early. 'night all.

Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2015 01:55 AM (Z/8dZ)

404 The doors have little mantels above them in the house. The light switches on most of the ground floor are push button. The doors have locks that are these box units that are slid into a slot in the wood, one broke and I don't know if we'll ever be able to replace it. Every door is a different size. The front window has like 18 panes, a row of little ones across the top. Its very unique and interesting but all those oddities make it rough to fix anything.

Someone "updated" the house at some point putting tiles on the ceiling of the front room, and godawful 60's wallpaper that is... its hard to describe. Its like someone took reeds and stitched them lengthwise onto paper then pasted that to the wall so you have this corrugated texture that cats love to sharpen their claws on. Its hiedous and stupid and I cannot grok who would do that on purpose. The wallpaper in the study looks like a circus tent or mick Jagger's pants from 1974. There's no outlet in the bathroom whatsoever, just one ceiling fan and light someone apparently added in. My room has no light at all, its all lamps.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 01:57 AM (39g3+)

405 Willy, what does that mean? The breaker box fuses look like little light bulbs. The kitchen and master bathroom were remodeled and those have regular switches.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 10, 2015 01:52 AM (BHl9S)

Used to be, with the old glass plug fuses, if fuses repeatedly blew, or if a fuse blew, and no spares were on hand, a common occurrence during the Great Depression, people would put a penny in the fuse box, and screw the dead fuse back in. The penny bridge the contacts of the socket (which is the same Edison-base socket as your standard light bulb), and the circuit came good again, albeit with zero overload protection.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 10, 2015 01:57 AM (+y3Tj)

406 Re: The suit story:

I am a big fan of pocket squares; I think they add a touch of colorful class. I wore properly folder white hankies but I also have silk squares in variety of solid colors (including white), over 20 of them. The solid color might match a color in the tie or shirt, but I never wore matching tie and handkerchiefs* with a suit. Now a matching tie and handkerchief is okay with a slacks and jacket outfit, but I never wore that as I never bought a matching tie and handkerchief set.

* A Monty Python album title. The only album I ever knew with three sides. One side had two parallel tracks and when you put the needle down on that side of the record, you never knew which track you were going to get.

Posted by: RickZ at December 10, 2015 01:59 AM (Lc+NQ)

407 Willy, what does that mean? The breaker box fuses look like little light bulbs. The kitchen and master bathroom were remodeled and those have regular switches.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 10, 2015 01:52 AM (BHl9S)

Used to be, with the old glass plug fuses, if fuses repeatedly blew, or if a fuse blew, and no spares were on hand, a common occurrence during the Great Depression, people would put a penny in the fuse box, and screw the dead fuse back in. The penny bridge the contacts of the socket (which is the same Edison-base socket as your standard light bulb), and the circuit came good again, albeit with zero overload protection.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 10, 2015 01:57 AM (+y3Tj)

so don't go with pennies.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 01:59 AM (vb33c)

408
Not that it was some incredible insight, but my old Beltway buddy and I came to the same conclusion as noted in link above re reasons for the odd presidential address on a Sunday: poll-driven.

Of course Clinton(a horrifically bad president who is not widely so regarded thanks to the timing of an economic boom he had zero to do with) really set this pathetic low bar. Hardly knew what to order for breakfast unless it was focus-grouped (the head-shaking self-parodic nadir coming when the First Family's summer vacation destination was picked by surveys and focus group data).

Posted by: rhomboid at December 10, 2015 02:00 AM (QDnY+)

409 295 Who knew that The Great Tie debate would become so heated?

Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2015 01:08 AM (Kqit+)

What? Never heard of Tie fighters?

Posted by: Piercello at December 10, 2015 02:00 AM (RXfvh)

410 Posted by: CaliGirl at December 10, 2015 01:52 AM (BHl9S) >>>

On the Fuse thin Alberta was quicker and gave the same answer I would of.

Posted by: Willy J. at December 10, 2015 02:02 AM (wHX4r)

411 Good to know, I have the fuses. I just hope my wiring doesn't have the cotton. My house is really cool. Rich monticeto people built it for their weekend hunting/vacation house. There is a prohibitin bar. Hidden behind a panel.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 10, 2015 02:02 AM (BHl9S)

412 Crap, I just lost a good, good buddy to the Big C.

Here he is with Kenton's band in 1975. Check him out about the one minute mark. Yes, those are real notes being played on a trumpet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-xAErjhtMI

Posted by: navybrat at December 10, 2015 02:03 AM (ETxiG)

413 Prohibiton bar.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 10, 2015 02:03 AM (BHl9S)

414 398: Of course, old is relative. You get to Europe and they have buildings that predate Christ.

This is true. After a high school visit to Spain my answer to what impressed me was that our country is so young!

Posted by: OldDominionMom at December 10, 2015 02:03 AM (GzDYP)

415 I just came in from a check on my burn pit. Got a burn permit today for my big pile of tree limbs, so I flashed it up shortly after sundown. Three inches of fresh snow today, and no wind, so ideal conditions for an outdoor fire; no way it could run wild.

Fire had burned down to very little, with a scattering of unburned limbs around the perimeter. I policed them up, and heaped them on what's left of the fire. I don't know if they will catch or not. I wore one of the little three-dollar LED headband lamps I bought the other day, and it provided ample light for the job at hand.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 10, 2015 02:04 AM (+y3Tj)

416 nuts, gotta walk the dogs, again. night everyone.

Posted by: yankeefifth at December 10, 2015 02:04 AM (vb33c)

417 Crap, I just lost a good, good buddy to the Big C.

Here he is with Kenton's band in 1975. Check him out about the one minute mark. Yes, those are real notes being played on a trumpet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-xAErjhtMI
Posted by: navybrat

Sorry to hear, NavyB. Prayers up.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2015 02:04 AM (9YDUz)

418 Wow, is it me or do all WebMd searches now lead to cancer?

Kindergarten Cop: "It's naught ah tumor!"

It used to provide less wildly odd and overly specific results.

Posted by: derit at December 10, 2015 02:07 AM (jT+gh)

419 If you acquaint yourself to an "electrician" he can discretely update a portion of your house at a time. A couple of 20amp breakers and a roll of 12/2 w/a ground would brighten your day.

20a x 120v = 2400 watts

Twenty four hundred watts will operate a lot of new duehickies.

Posted by: Ralph at December 10, 2015 02:07 AM (V+jJS)

420 i wrote an actual useful function in R for the first time tonight.

And it actually works.

I am quite pleased with myself

Posted by: the real ch3 at December 10, 2015 02:07 AM (0FwOD)

421 386 If you have over a 16" neck, your chance of having OSA rises exponentially -- are you on CPAP?
Posted by: cthulhu at December 10, 2015 01:36 AM (EzgxV)

****

I have heard that, and have to disagree. I have an 18" neck, no issues here. A number of friends what I work out with, only a couple have these issues. It is a situational thing.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 10, 2015 01:45 AM (3rK8j)

Back in the day, I had heard that 60% of NFL linebackers had breathing machines. It's situational -- but the bigger the neck, the greater the probability of a problem.....no matter what shape you're in.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 10, 2015 02:08 AM (EzgxV)

422 yikes, should have refreshed the page before posting

Posted by: derit at December 10, 2015 02:08 AM (jT+gh)

423 Christianne Annapour has a show on CNN? Without even being to hear it, it seems to be every bit as pretentious and smug as she is. Ooh, she is interviewing Spike Lee. If you could harness smug pretentiousness and racial hatred, we would have a cheap source of energy.

Posted by: Puddleglum@work at December 10, 2015 02:09 AM (syGA0)

424
CaliGirl, your part of the state may be my favorite. So beautiful, so quiet, so much good food and wine. Ocean's a bit angry and cool, but that's what wetsuits are for I guess.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 10, 2015 02:09 AM (QDnY+)

425 424:If you could harness smug pretentiousness and racial hatred, we would have a cheap source of energy.

On second thought, it would be a black hole of epic proportions.

Posted by: Puddleglum@work at December 10, 2015 02:11 AM (syGA0)

426 Updating the electric boxes is on my list. The electrician is expensive.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 10, 2015 02:11 AM (BHl9S)

427
Cool. So you can catch one of it's comments, then when you refresh - poof! Gone. Witness the power of this fully operational whatever-macallit thinggy zaps the guy.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 10, 2015 02:12 AM (QDnY+)

428 "Authorities told Fox News it is extremely unusual for a Pakistani woman, especially from a conservative Islamic home, to travel overseas on a fiance visa - unless it was part of a plan."

Now they tell us. Now they notice. All that surveillance by a bunch of bureaucratic sleepwalkers, it seems. Why even have a Federal Government if it isn't protecting you? Each of the states could do a better, more alert job, for sure.

Posted by: bruce at December 10, 2015 02:13 AM (E+ah4)

429 It's the labor, parts are cheap.

Posted by: Ralph at December 10, 2015 02:14 AM (V+jJS)

430
Puddle, Man-Hands has a show again? Not that I have seen almost any "news" TV for years, but it seemed she had dropped out of sight. Yeah, her with Spike Lee would constitute a fairly astronomical quantity/density of loathsome stupidity.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 10, 2015 02:14 AM (QDnY+)

431 Rhomboid, I feel very fortunate to live here. I don't go in the ocean anymore past my ankles, too cold.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 10, 2015 02:14 AM (BHl9S)

432 Back in the day, I had heard that 60% of NFL linebackers had breathing machines. It's situational -- but the bigger the neck, the greater the probability of a problem.....no matter what shape you're in.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 10, 2015 02:08 AM (EzgxV)

****

*Shrugs*

I just go with the fat neck I got.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 10, 2015 02:14 AM (3rK8j)

433 As a general rule if you stick to 1920s normal electrical load usage the cotton wrapped stuff is still safeish. And most of those (if they are the original intent glass face fuses) should make the circuit OK. Now if someone replaced a 10 amp with a 20 amp over time there could be a problem. The wiring running light-bulbs (switch to LEDs makes it even safer) likely will never be a problem. The window air conditioner plugged in a cotton wrapped wire fed outlet is the one to worry about. And Kitchen electrical in old houses is always suspect and worth checking to see that it has been upgraded.

Posted by: Willy J. at December 10, 2015 02:16 AM (wHX4r)

434 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 10, 2015 01:57 AM (39g3+)

Sounds like you need to find a local place like Salvage Dogs in Roanoke. Restoration is all the rage according to hg and diy tv!

Posted by: OldDominionMom at December 10, 2015 02:17 AM (GzDYP)

435
CaliGirl I usually spend a few days just north of you every year, and now always use the 101 all the way to SF or beyond when I go that far, and stop for food and wine along the way.

Really think we ought to rent a weekly short-term house or something next time. So much to do. Hiking, wine tasting, biking, and this time take some toys and use that great shooting range up near Morro Bay.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 10, 2015 02:22 AM (QDnY+)

436 Of course. Blame it on me as usual.

Posted by: The Toaster at December 10, 2015 02:23 AM (GzDYP)

437 The kitchen and master bath were updated. We don't have air conditioning. The electrician told me we can replace the boxes one at a time. He did say the electrical was excellent. This house was built really well. I have an original doorbell in the closet that buzzes in the kitchen. A thing pops up that says dressing room. The other call buttons don't work. I assume it was to call the maid.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 10, 2015 02:23 AM (BHl9S)

438 Be careful with old wire. The insulation that looks like cloth is often asbestos

Posted by: derit at December 10, 2015 02:24 AM (jT+gh)

439 I'm in between solvang/buelton and Santa Maria.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 10, 2015 02:25 AM (BHl9S)

440 To be a properly dressed Moron:

1): No pants
2): Stylish hobo pelt
3): Val-u-Rite plastic bottle (not empty yet)

Posted by: The Moron Style at December 10, 2015 02:25 AM (vBeA5)

441 Re: mental hospitals, my mom constantly, constantly says "well Reagan shut down all the mental hospitals". I know this isn't exactly true but don't know the real story. Anyone have the cliff notes version?
Posted by: Lauren at December 10, 2015 12:10 AM (Z/8dZ)

I've heard that before. It is Lefty Disinformation.

Your mother is wrong. The Deinstitutionalization of the Mentally Ill -- that very term -- was controversial in the 70s. Newsweek besides others covered it. I believe it was a cover story.

It was a process that started in the Kennedy Administration and was expanded later through court orders and then legislative action.

Reagan as CA governor may have signed the same legislation that 49 other governors did and for the same reasons.

The idea originally was mental health was either a political construct or could be managed as an outpatient using the new "wonder" drugs in community health centers.

The latter were never built ($$) and these people then became the "homeless" a term and concept that became popular in the early 80s....as a way to cudgel Reagan...and cover the Left's tracks.

Our homeless shelters have in some part become these community health centers.

It is a lie of the Left, of course. Ask your mother if Reagan closed all the mental hospitals then why didn't Clinton or Obama reopen them? Why is the "homeless" situation so bad in San Francisco?

If she had those answers or asked those questions she wouldn't be (it sounds like) a liberal.

Posted by: (not J.J.) Sefton at December 10, 2015 02:26 AM (wi0rD)

442 427
Cool. So you can catch one of it's comments, then when you refresh - poof! Gone. Witness the power of this fully operational whatever-macallit thinggy zaps the guy.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 10, 2015 02:12 AM (QDnY+)

Please remember that every time a troll shows up and disappears, the TB3K has either been calibrated or re-calibrated by a real human being who had to take time out of his life of making snarky comments, keeping regulars on-track, or curating a future Yoko Ono exhibition, in order to make this happen -- and give thanks for his continued diligence on our behalf.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 10, 2015 02:28 AM (EzgxV)

443 Posted by: CaliGirl at December 10, 2015 02:23 AM (BHl9S)>>>

I grew up in a house built in the 1920s. Does yours have the second stairway for the servants? It was a feature that was cool in our house because it came out into the kitchen so we kids would sit on those stairs waiting for breakfast. Not important just one of my fond memories from childhood.

Posted by: Willy J. at December 10, 2015 02:28 AM (wHX4r)

444 Be careful with old wire. The insulation that looks like cloth is often asbestos

Posted by: derit

What's up with aluminum wiring?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2015 02:29 AM (9YDUz)

445 439 I'm in between solvang/buelton and Santa Maria.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 10, 2015 02:25 AM (BHl9S)

Sounds like horse country. Beautiful area -- I went to school at the University of Casual Sun-Bathing, and would make day-trips up that way.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 10, 2015 02:29 AM (EzgxV)

446 I like Morro bay. I like pismo too. I also like Avila. Jalama has the best burgers. Paso Robles has a lot of great wineries.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 10, 2015 02:31 AM (BHl9S)

447 What's up with aluminum wiring?

It's lighter and cheaper than copper, but it expands and contracts much more when heated by same current (IIRC) leading to loosened connnections that degrade over time

Posted by: derit at December 10, 2015 02:31 AM (jT+gh)

448 Oh, IV. How was Halloween?

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 10, 2015 02:32 AM (BHl9S)

449 Be careful with old wire. The insulation that looks like cloth is often asbestos

Posted by: derit at December 10, 2015 02:24 AM (jT+gh)

True, but it is usually long-fiber asbestos, which is the only kind really suitable for weaving/felting into insulating fabric. Unless you powder it, and breathe the airborne dust, it's pretty safe stuff.

The moral panic over asbestos-related lung disease has resulted in a situation wherein having asbestos in one's household is a far greater legal/financial hazard than it is a health hazard.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 10, 2015 02:33 AM (+y3Tj)

450 What's up with aluminum wiring?>>>

Short lived because it was cheap and most dangerous when tied to copper during renovations. Thermal expansion is different and leads to arcing.

Posted by: Willy J. at December 10, 2015 02:33 AM (wHX4r)

451 Gaviota.
Carpinteria.

Great little spots.

Posted by: navybrat at December 10, 2015 02:33 AM (ETxiG)

452
CaliGirl, that's heaven. On the way north we usually cut over on Zaca Mesa Rd. and then north up to the Santa Maria valley. Still don't belong to winery clubs but one of two on the list of possibles is Riverbench right there near Garys - excellent pinots and chards, non-insane prices, small commitment.

Dang. It's late, but thinking about this has me hankering for a nice ribeye and a local red at Hitching Post #1 ......

Posted by: rhomboid at December 10, 2015 02:34 AM (QDnY+)

453 (not J.J. ) Sefton

Wow, great post--that about covers everything I was just looking up.

It was a process that started in the Kennedy Administration and was expanded later through court orders and then legislative action.

This section in particular is worth re-noting. I suspect we've reached a point in America where if we did a poll most Americans would say Nixon or some evil Republican started Vietnam.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at December 10, 2015 02:35 AM (mcm0N)

454 Loose electrical connections lead to arcing, which leave blackened residue at the location, which further degrades connection with added heat, a vicious cycle

Posted by: derit at December 10, 2015 02:35 AM (jT+gh)

455 Santa Barbara is beautiful. I make day trips there.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 10, 2015 02:35 AM (BHl9S)

456 Anderson's Split Pea

Loved that stuff when I was 12.

Now it's a noise-maker du jour.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2015 02:35 AM (9YDUz)

457 444 Be careful with old wire. The insulation that looks like cloth is often asbestos

Posted by: derit

What's up with aluminum wiring?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2015 02:29 AM (9YDUz)

Aluminum wiring was a fad when the price of copper spiked. It's less safe (a bit), less efficient (a smidge), likely to be laid-in closer to the design edges (a lot), and is more flammable (as in, you can light one but not the other).

If I discovered that half my house had aluminum wiring, I wouldn't necessarily replace it.....but if I had a circuit that was going high-amperage, I'd run it in copper back to the box.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 10, 2015 02:36 AM (EzgxV)

458 Another point apropos of nothing.

I didn't know that button down shirt collars are a predominantly American look. Men in most other countries (and I saw this first hand in Buenos Aires) wear 'normal' collars (the European look), as they view button down collars as 'sloppy'. I love button down shirts, because they go better with crew neck sweaters, so I find this weird. What I really hated were those long pointed shirt collars. I have no comprehension of the diseased mind from which those sprung.

Posted by: RickZ at December 10, 2015 02:37 AM (Lc+NQ)

459 455 Santa Barbara is beautiful. I make day trips there.
Posted by: CaliGirl at December 10, 2015 02:35 AM (BHl9S)

I love the wines from the Santa Barbara area. The area doesn't get 1/10 the hype of Napa and Sonoma so you can get some fantastic wines at very reasonable prices.

Posted by: the real ch3 at December 10, 2015 02:38 AM (0FwOD)

460 Short lived because it was cheap and most dangerous when tied to copper during renovations. Thermal expansion is different and leads to arcing.

Posted by: Willy J. at December 10, 2015 02:33 AM (wHX4r)

I think aluminum was "OK" when used with wiring devices that were rated for use with aluminum wire. But there is no guarantee that was always done in practice.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 10, 2015 02:38 AM (+y3Tj)

461 My friend owns part of river bench. It's excellent. The Gary store has excellent sandwiches. There is a new winery called Presquile. It's in Santa Maria. Right off the 101@ Clark. It's beautiful.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 10, 2015 02:39 AM (BHl9S)

462 441
Well, I thank them because otherwise, they'd be escorting us to our padded cells merrily, due to our crazy views on this and that with Lerner's group being in charge of determinations.

CaliGirl, your house sounds wonderful and rich with history. You even have room service!

Posted by: The Toaster at December 10, 2015 02:40 AM (GzDYP)

463 Central CA is beautiful.

Posted by: navybrat at December 10, 2015 02:40 AM (ETxiG)

464 I didn't know that button down shirt collars are a predominantly American look. Men in most other countries (and I saw this first hand in Buenos Aires) wear 'normal' collars (the European look), as they view button down collars as 'sloppy'.
Posted by: RickZ

Button-down is called Oxford is most appellations. So the idea that it's sloppy or American is 100% fucking wrong.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2015 02:41 AM (9YDUz)

465 I'm going to the hitching post Friday for a Christmas party. I get the top. I love jocko's in Nipomo. The small spencer is good.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 10, 2015 02:41 AM (BHl9S)

466 Hey everybody, great chat tonight but gotta call it a night. Thanks. :-)

Glad I could share info on California mental health institutions, at least.

Posted by: qdpsteve at December 10, 2015 02:42 AM (ntObR)

467 You want trivia? Cravats --or ties were invented by Croatian warrior classes that fought for the Austro-Hungarian Empire against the Ottoman hordes.

(And I 'm off.)

Posted by: Danube River Guide at December 10, 2015 02:42 AM (mcm0N)

468 Button-down is called Oxford is most appellations. So the idea that it's sloppy or American is 100% fucking wrong.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2015 02:41 AM (9YDUz)

Button-down, Oxford, turtleneck, whatever. I hate tight collars of any description. Feels like slow strangulation to me.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 10, 2015 02:43 AM (+y3Tj)

469 456 Anderson's Split Pea

Loved that stuff when I was 12.

Now it's a noise-maker du jour.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2015 02:35 AM (9YDUz)

When I was growing up, my family concocted this entire mythology about it.....how Mr. Andersen was out shootin' at some food, when out from the ground came a-bubblin' Soup. Further iterations involved a secret underground James-Bondian lair, where naked female slaves were chained on narrow ledges above a bubbling pool of pea soup, doomed to ceaselessly ladle it into cans. How diners at the restaurant could order bowl after bowl, little knowing the tragic scenes dozens of feet below them, in The Cavern....

Posted by: cthulhu at December 10, 2015 02:43 AM (EzgxV)

470 Aluminum wiring is still fine for feeders and large circuits. The problem was small gauge with poor connections at receptacles and switch terminals, and as mentioned above, some idiots splicing copper to aluminum (it can be done with the proper technique and materials, mind you, it's just the average idiot would fuck up easily).

Aluminum oxide is a damn good insulator, and aluminum has a low melting point, getting mushy when heated much sooner than copper, which has a high melting point. Copper's oxides are no problem for connections, but with aluminum, it increases resistance, which increases heating, making the connection worse, and thus more heating.

Aluminum would still be fine for those applications, if you could keep idiots from screwing up. Copper is very idiot proof, but aluminum is not.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 10, 2015 02:44 AM (dvuhZ)

471
cooth, absolutely - and I am thankful for those whose labors protect our safe space - er, this great little spot on the web.

The thing about central coast north of SB - aside from real estate or vineyard/land prices, it hasn't changed *that* much in decades. Oh yes, big changes (200+ wineries now in Paso, dozens in southern SLO County, SB County), a booming epicurean thing with specialty foods, etc.

The LA megalopolis folks seem to almost all stop at SB - which is sort of unrecognizable now, at least central/downtown, for those who spent time there before the 90s. Santa Barbara is like a filter that stops 90% of travellers.

Which is fine. Central coast north of that remains sleepy and uncrowded.

navybrat, and others, if it's not on your list already, make sure to try a smoked fish taco at the little place by the pier in Cayucos next time you're in the area. And when you're a bit south in CaliGirl's hood, if you've never been there, have dinner at Hitching Post #1 in Casmalia ("village" on Vandenberg AFB property, middle of nowhere off the 1 north of Lompoc). Parent/sister of the one in Buellton made famous by the movie "Sideways". But much more interesting, overall.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 10, 2015 02:44 AM (QDnY+)

472 I think aluminum was "OK" when used with wiring devices that were rated
for use with aluminum wire. But there is no guarantee that was always
done in practice.>>>

You are probably right. Just like having and keeping the correct amp fuse in an old box with the original wiring was not a problem. And DIY electricians are likely what gives it a lot of the bad rep.

Posted by: Willy J. at December 10, 2015 02:44 AM (wHX4r)

473 Glad I could share info on California mental health institutions, at least.

Posted by: qdpsteve at December 10, 2015 02:42 AM (ntObR)

The worst nuts are in the big one in Sacramento.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 10, 2015 02:44 AM (+y3Tj)

474 True, but it is usually long-fiber asbestos, which is the only kind really suitable for weaving/felting into insulating fabric. Unless you powder it, and breathe the airborne dust, it's pretty safe stuff.

Friable is what they call it? Thankfully I've never had to deal with it. I assume all insulation becomes brittle over time.

Posted by: derit at December 10, 2015 02:46 AM (jT+gh)

475 And if you to go to the hitching post in casmaila, try the artichoke.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 10, 2015 02:47 AM (BHl9S)

476 Back in the day we would drive to LA and make it a 2 day trip with an overnight in either Pismo or Morro Bay.
We don't do that so much anymore, but I wish we did.

Posted by: navybrat at December 10, 2015 02:47 AM (ETxiG)

477 Rhomboid, the LA people are here too. I say LA go home.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 10, 2015 02:48 AM (BHl9S)

478 asbestos is truly one of God's great tricks on mankind. It is 1000 different uses that no other material can even come close to competing with it. But it's highly carcinogenic because of course it is.

Posted by: the real ch3 at December 10, 2015 02:49 AM (0FwOD)

479 You are probably right. Just like having and keeping the correct amp fuse in an old box with the original wiring was not a problem. And DIY electricians are likely what gives it a lot of the bad rep.

Posted by: Willy J. at December 10, 2015 02:44 AM (wHX4r)

Agree with you and Publius. I have a house in Arizona which needs partial rewiring. I will be using 100% copper in it, not that I think I can even buy aluminum wire anymore. But copper is easy to use, and even at the present high price of copper, the cost of the wire is but a small part of the overall cost of the job.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 10, 2015 02:50 AM (+y3Tj)

480 474 True, but it is usually long-fiber asbestos, which is the only kind really suitable for weaving/felting into insulating fabric. Unless you powder it, and breathe the airborne dust, it's pretty safe stuff.

Friable is what they call it? Thankfully I've never had to deal with it. I assume all insulation becomes brittle over time.

Posted by: derit at December 10, 2015 02:46 AM (jT+gh)

The politically connected zoning czars in San Jose released Communications Hill for development a number of years back....only to discover that natural bare ground in the area violated a number of asbestos standards.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 10, 2015 02:50 AM (EzgxV)

481
CaliGirl, I've bookmarked a web article on central coast BBQ/beef places, Jocko's in Nipomo is one of them. On the list for the next trip. We once spontaneously hopped off the 101 in Nipomo and played 18 holes at the SLO County course there on our way back south.

Looks like I'll have to do some intensive dining planning/triage next trip - too many places to eat, too little time.

One time we ad libbed a short trip to Lexington, NC at the end of a golf trip to Roanoke. Had to go to the BBQ mecca. Managed to hit 3 places in 18 hours (dinner, lunch next day, then take-out from a third). So it can be done. Just takes planning, commitment, discipline .....

Posted by: rhomboid at December 10, 2015 02:50 AM (QDnY+)

482 Asbestos is, of course, a naturally occurring substance.

Posted by: navybrat at December 10, 2015 02:51 AM (ETxiG)

483 Good night all, rhomboid I'll think of you while I'm at the party at the post. I'll raise a glass of Pinot to you.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 10, 2015 02:52 AM (BHl9S)

484 481
CaliGirl, I've bookmarked a web article on central coast BBQ/beef places, Jocko's in Nipomo is one of them. On the list for the next trip. We once spontaneously hopped off the 101 in Nipomo and played 18 holes at the SLO County course there on our way back south.

Looks like I'll have to do some intensive dining planning/triage next trip - too many places to eat, too little time.

One time we ad libbed a short trip to Lexington, NC at the end of a golf trip to Roanoke. Had to go to the BBQ mecca. Managed to hit 3 places in 18 hours (dinner, lunch next day, then take-out from a third). So it can be done. Just takes planning, commitment, discipline .....

Posted by: rhomboid at December 10, 2015 02:50 AM (QDnY+)

Hope #1 was the Honey Monk.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 10, 2015 02:54 AM (EzgxV)

485 There is also Mclintocks in shell beach. Alex's in she'll beach. The far western isn't in Guadalupe anymore it's in Orcutt. Jocko's and the post are my favorites. Jocko's even if you have reservations you will be waiting in the bar for an hour. On Sunday they start the pit early. I think noon or two.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 10, 2015 02:56 AM (BHl9S)

486
CaliGirl, I'm sure there are lots of outsiders compared to a few years back. It's just so much quieter and less crowded than every coastal county south of you (now) that it's great to get up there.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 10, 2015 02:56 AM (QDnY+)

487 Dammit, I'm annoyed every refreshed by that picture up top of bizarro Bert and Ernie from Sesame jihard street. Must disable images in browser

Posted by: derit at December 10, 2015 03:00 AM (jT+gh)

488 481
CaliGirl, I've bookmarked a web article on central coast BBQ/beef places, Jocko's in Nipomo is one of them. On the list for the next trip. We once spontaneously hopped off the 101 in Nipomo and played 18 holes at the SLO County course there on our way back south.

Looks like I'll have to do some intensive dining planning/triage next trip - too many places to eat, too little time.

One time we ad libbed a short trip to Lexington, NC at the end of a golf trip to Roanoke. Had to go to the BBQ mecca. Managed to hit 3 places in 18 hours (dinner, lunch next day, then take-out from a third). So it can be done. Just takes planning, commitment, discipline .....

Posted by: rhomboid at December 10, 2015 02:50 AM (QDnY+)

One of the weird ways that the fiancee and I keep ourselves occupied on road trips is finding road signs that can be read as names and telling stories about them. Nipomo Tefft is a favorite. He's a young guy of very mixed race, who hangs out with the cool crowd that includes Maricopa Bakersfield (a blonde who is a bit space-y). Nipomo can hold his own in a fight and is frequently the character who solves a mystery.

When we're on full-on-tourist jaunts, we'll take pictures of such road signs so that I can use them 20 years from now as chapter headings in a novel.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 10, 2015 03:01 AM (EzgxV)

489 Button-down is called Oxford is most appellations. So the idea that it's sloppy or American is 100% fucking wrong.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2015 02:41 AM (9YDUz)

All I can say is watch tv, especially overseas clips. Oxfords (the shirt not the shoes) do not seem to be represented among the dress shirts worn by their men. As for the 'sloppy' part, that's the word I was told about why men in BA do not wear them. I'm not agreeing with them, like I said, I like button downs (I'm American) but I have seen it first hand. It's one of those things that once you notice it, you can't 'unnotice' it.

Posted by: RickZ at December 10, 2015 03:03 AM (Lc+NQ)

490 >>Friable is what they call it?

Fria be means that it can easily be dislodged and become airborne fibers.

As I recall most asbestos bearing building and industrial products involve chrysotile or crocidolite asbestos.

Serpentone rock common in parts of CA are full of chrysotile.

Posted by: JEM at December 10, 2015 03:04 AM (tA/XW)

491
489 Button-down is called Oxford is most appellations. So the idea that it's sloppy or American is 100% fucking wrong.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2015 02:41 AM (9YDUz)

All I can say is watch tv, especially overseas clips. Oxfords (the shirt not the shoes) do not seem to be represented among the dress shirts worn by their men. As for the 'sloppy' part, that's the word I was told about why men in BA do not wear them. I'm not agreeing with them, like I said, I like button downs (I'm American) but I have seen it first hand. It's one of those things that once you notice it, you can't 'unnotice' it.

Posted by: RickZ at December 10, 2015 03:03 AM (Lc+NQ)

Button-down is less formal than spread-collar in Europe, but more formal in the US. Been there, done that.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 10, 2015 03:04 AM (EzgxV)

492 Button-down is less formal than spread-collar in Europe, but more formal in the US. Been there, done that.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 10, 2015 03:04 AM (EzgxV)

Thanks. More succinctly put than what I wrote.

Posted by: RickZ at December 10, 2015 03:07 AM (Lc+NQ)

493
CaliGirl, thanks, writing those down! Lessee, if I add a full day for shooting at the Hogue range and walking the wetlands near Los Osos, that gives us another dinner .....

What do you think of The Range in Santa Margarita? Ate there once, it was nice, kind of a smaller McPhee's, similar menu.

Cthuhlu - yes, Honey Monk for dinner on Friday night!

Place I can't remember for lunch, then Speedy's for take-out (pulled pork). From Lexington we went to Winston-Salem, had my first KrispyKreme at their original location, toured Old Salem, then headed back to DC, stopping off at a winery/dairy along the way in eastern NC, with very decent reds and great cheese.

Lovingly termed our "redneck gourmet tour".

Posted by: rhomboid at December 10, 2015 03:10 AM (QDnY+)

494 >>Fria be

damn autocorrect

>>Serpentone

damn damn screwed up autocorrect

Posted by: JEM at December 10, 2015 03:11 AM (tA/XW)

495 AL wire is readily available in the larger sizes, minimum being #6 AWG. But it's pretty much extinct in the smaller sizes. You might be able to find some #8, but the 60C ampacity is only 30A, same as #10 copper, and no one would use it. I mention that because I think I remember seeing some #8 AL in a catalog, but I doubt anyone would carry it if they still make it.

The 60C ampacity for #10 AL is just 25A, and only 15A for #12 Al. So for for a 20A branch circuit, you'd need #10, which is a little big to work with.

And manufacturers have been known to fuck up as well. I remember some recalls for some products where the terminals were rated as CO/ALR, but they were incompatible with AL wiring, corroding over time.

And the worse one I remember was some company, I want to say under the brand name ITE but I'm not sure, sold panelboards where the busbar material was incompatible with the metal used in some of their own breakers. You know that "plug on" type of breakers that snap on little "stabs" on the busbars.

Anyway, that connection would corrode and cause heating and arcing. Big recall there.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 10, 2015 03:12 AM (dvuhZ)

496 Friable is what they call it? Thankfully I've never had to deal with it. I assume all insulation becomes brittle over time.

Posted by: derit at December 10, 2015 02:46 AM (jT+gh)

Well asbestos is a mineral, or rather a whole class of somewhat similar minerals. The crystals have excellent cleavage on two, or perhaps three planes, which are not parallel to each other, but which are parallel to the long axis of the crystal. Just like the fibers in a piece of wood are parallel to the long axis of the tree it came from.

It's my understanding that short fiber asbestos, which is the kind that can get airborne, and inhaled into one's lungs, is carcinogenic mainly because it can pierce cell walls, and cause cell damage that way, and cancer arise because of constant over-stimulation of the immune system. And maybe I'm totally wrong. And apparently smokers are far more susceptible to getting cancer from airborne asbestos than non-smokers.

There are reported incidents of individuals getting lung cancer from a single exposure to airborne asbestos. But then there are instances of people getting lung cancer with no proximate cause being noted. Sometimes, shit just happens.

The old knob and tube wiring I have seen had copper wire wrapped with an asphalt-type insulation with fiber in it that might have been jute or cotton. Not much point in using asbestos in an asphaltic binder, since asphalt is itself combustible. Now, old heating appliances, like toasters, kettles, waffle irons, bowl heaters, and suchlike, often had cords with two stranded-copper conductors, each insulated by a thin coating of natural rubber, then wrapped in asbestos "yarn" - unwoven long-fiber asbestos cord or ribbon, and the whole encased in a woven-cotton fabric tube, commonly with a houndstooth pattern to it. I have such a cord on my grilled cheese sammich press. And as long as the asbestos stays confined inside its cotton sheath, it's perfectly safe.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 10, 2015 03:13 AM (+y3Tj)

497 493
CaliGirl, thanks, writing those down! Lessee, if I add a full day for shooting at the Hogue range and walking the wetlands near Los Osos, that gives us another dinner .....

What do you think of The Range in Santa Margarita? Ate there once, it was nice, kind of a smaller McPhee's, similar menu.

Cthuhlu - yes, Honey Monk for dinner on Friday night!

Place I can't remember for lunch, then Speedy's for take-out (pulled pork). From Lexington we went to Winston-Salem, had my first KrispyKreme at their original location, toured Old Salem, then headed back to DC, stopping off at a winery/dairy along the way in eastern NC, with very decent reds and great cheese.

Lovingly termed our "redneck gourmet tour".

Posted by: rhomboid at December 10, 2015 03:10 AM (QDnY+) 493
CaliGirl, thanks, writing those down! Lessee, if I add a full day for shooting at the Hogue range and walking the wetlands near Los Osos, that gives us another dinner .....

What do you think of The Range in Santa Margarita? Ate there once, it was nice, kind of a smaller McPhee's, similar menu.

Cthuhlu - yes, Honey Monk for dinner on Friday night!

Place I can't remember for lunch, then Speedy's for take-out (pulled pork). From Lexington we went to Winston-Salem, had my first KrispyKreme at their original location, toured Old Salem, then headed back to DC, stopping off at a winery/dairy along the way in eastern NC, with very decent reds and great cheese.

Lovingly termed our "redneck gourmet tour".

Posted by: rhomboid at December 10, 2015 03:10 AM (QDnY+)

It's only one of the places on my list, but I could easily see moving there (more up in the Triad) tomorrow and being a fuck-ton happier. I'd like to start a company there.

Posted by: cthulhu at December 10, 2015 03:14 AM (EzgxV)

498 Well, time for me to go get some shuteye, asbestos I can.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 10, 2015 03:18 AM (+y3Tj)

499 AL wire is readily available in the larger sizes, minimum being #6 AWG. But it's pretty much extinct in the smaller sizes. You might be able to find some #8, but the 60C ampacity is only 30A, same as #10 copper, and no one would use it. I mention that because I think I remember seeing some #8 AL in a catalog, but I doubt anyone would carry it if they still make it.

The 60C ampacity for #10 AL is just 25A, and only 15A for #12 Al. So for for a 20A branch circuit, you'd need #10, which is a little big to work with.

And manufacturers have been known to fuck up as well. I remember some recalls for some products where the terminals were rated as CO/ALR, but they were incompatible with AL wiring, corroding over time.

And the worse one I remember was some company, I want to say under the brand name ITE but I'm not sure, sold panelboards where the busbar material was incompatible with the metal used in some of their own breakers. You know that "plug on" type of breakers that snap on little "stabs" on the busbars.

Anyway, that connection would corrode and cause heating and arcing. Big recall there.

Posted by: publius

THX, for the reply.

Visiting relatives. Their AL exterior wired light is blowing out every month. Replaced the socket and light, but, boop, pops within a month.

Not a lot length-wise to play with in the wiring, also. Barely can fit pliers in-between to crimp.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 10, 2015 03:19 AM (9YDUz)

500
Central coast geographical trivia item as a sign-off.

The "west side" of the Paso Robles area (west of the 101 highway)has an area known as Adelaida. Odd name, certainly not Spanish in origin.

Mercury mines were once a major activity in the area. Miners came from Australia ("diggers") to work these mines; enough from the Adelaide area that "Adelaida" came to be the name for this area. I believe the county reservoir there (Lake Nascimento?) has no fish/fishing is banned due to the .... mercury content of the fish.

Beautiful area, rolling hills, marine cool/fog slips in via the gaps and passes, lots of great vineyards and still lots of walnut and other nut orchards.

And with that, from the truly sublime, to the dark and creepy .... the daily dose of a Joseph Goebbels bio that is quite good (Longerich). We're in 1927, Goebbels is Gauleiter of Berlin, and You Know Who is starting to dig his style and flair for propaganda.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 10, 2015 03:22 AM (QDnY+)

501 For those who haven't seen my bitching before.....if you have a company and rent a guy a tractor -- and he ends up rolling into a ditch....

If you're in California, there's a lawyer saying that the tractor was unsafe, another one saying your training program was inadequate, another one suing the ditch owner, another one saying you should have provided ditch warnings, another one saying that the ditch was contaminated when your tractor rolled into it....

If you're in a state where someone sane may want to do business, folks tell the renter, "looks like you just lost your deposit."

Posted by: cthulhu at December 10, 2015 03:22 AM (EzgxV)

502 >>And the worse one I remember was some company, I
>>want to say under the brand name ITE but I'm not sure,
>> sold panelboards where the busbar material

Federal Pacific or FPE.

Don't expect to get fire insurance if you've got one...

Posted by: JEM at December 10, 2015 03:23 AM (tA/XW)

503
AOP, I'm reporting you to Seamus Muldoon. Or commending you, one or the other.

And with that ...... spokoiniy nochi

Posted by: rhomboid at December 10, 2015 03:24 AM (QDnY+)

504
OK, and this really *is* my sign-off, but JEM, a few years back, had the panel upgraded/replaced. Had Stab-Lok in it. The electricians were excited and amazed - they hadn't seen one almost ever. Implicated in some, uh, fire problems. But for a typical 1960s house, the load was always so low that in reality it was perfectly safe.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 10, 2015 03:27 AM (QDnY+)

505 504
OK, and this really *is* my sign-off, but JEM, a few years back, had the panel upgraded/replaced. Had Stab-Lok in it. The electricians were excited and amazed - they hadn't seen one almost ever. Implicated in some, uh, fire problems. But for a typical 1960s house, the load was always so low that in reality it was perfectly safe.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 10, 2015 03:27 AM (QDnY+)

Next time I have a chance to build from scratch, EVERYTHING goes in subpanels. Main panel doesn't have a single breaker for anything else

Posted by: cthulhu at December 10, 2015 03:30 AM (EzgxV)

506 rhomboid - yeah, Federal Pacific reputedly pulled a Volkswagen to sneak a bad breaker design past UL. The breakers don't necessarily trip fully. There's also a problem with the configuration of the panel bus bar, but this design was also seen in other old panels.

Posted by: JEM at December 10, 2015 03:34 AM (tA/XW)

507 >>Next time I have a chance to build from scratch,
>>EVERYTHING goes in subpanels.

When we did our remodel ten years ago I added up every load we might ever want, hot tub, machine tools, EV charger, etc and put them on the schedule submitted to PGandE.

We've got a 400-amp main service and a 1.25 in gas supply, both of which are a little uncommon in our generic middle class Peninsula suburb.

Posted by: JEM at December 10, 2015 03:39 AM (tA/XW)

508 Also notable about the NYT graph of terrorism, is it left out the Beltway Sniper murders from the jihadi terrorism toll; or worse, added them to the wrong side of the graph.

Posted by: Brad at December 10, 2015 03:48 AM (RhqHd)

509 NYT probably left out RFK and Sirhan Sirhan.
This was jihad if anything was.

Posted by: navybrat at December 10, 2015 03:55 AM (ETxiG)

510 It's so obvious that the MSM doesnt report but attempt to drive policy in the direction that they want. I have seen this in all the criminal justice articles, how they regularly churn them out like clockwork - no rhyme or reason, but as if on a schedule.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 10, 2015 04:04 AM (iQIUe)

511 Night all.

Here is "Hang the Bastard" from Cannibal the Musical:

Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7Q9ZEdOLSE

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 10, 2015 04:16 AM (vBeA5)

512 So the N.Y.Times is saying to let all the Muzzies in because they kill only at the same rate as every other group.
Have a long road trip to Jersey, but will fill up the gas tank today.
Good morning horde

Posted by: Skip at December 10, 2015 04:43 AM (k0xxN)

513 So apparently the GOP senate leader is going to allow the Donks to attach an amendment to a must pass energy bill that would essentially change our immigration and visa system so that foreigners can essentially sue the US for entry as a rebuke to Donald Trump because that apparently is what America stands for.

I figured as it became apparent that Trump might win that they would act legislatively to take away his or anyone else's ability to act and make it possible for these thighs
To go to court which we all know how the prog stacked courts are going to rule.

So look for more of this shit to happen as we circle the crapper.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 10, 2015 05:13 AM (qgbPQ)

514 x

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 10, 2015 05:28 AM (zTDoA)

515 Got thread closed earlier. Odd.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 10, 2015 05:33 AM (zTDoA)

516 Yeah, I figured what the problem with the chart was. Homosexuals do the same thing with child molestation statistics.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 10, 2015 05:37 AM (zTDoA)

517 Morning, Peeps!

What's the body count?

Posted by: fluffy at December 10, 2015 05:41 AM (AfsKp)

518 Mornin.

When it comes to Bad Album Covers, this ancient blog post by the very funny "Salami Tsunami" pretty much started it all, and is still the most gut-bustingly funny:

http://salamitsunami.com/archives/91

The section on Joyce! alone is one for the ages.

Every article since has ripped off the same covers, but none have ever commented on them so humorously.

(Dusty "Salami Tsunami"'s post on Kinko's is also a classic. He's a funny dude.)

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 10, 2015 05:47 AM (HMt16)

519 Another thing about fugly jihadi women is they've got lifeless�eyes, black�eyes,�like a doll's eyes...

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 10, 2015 05:51 AM (zTDoA)

520 Early morning unplugged:

Robert Plant sings "All the King's Horses"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av58E3VLplA

You know, I like him a lot more post-Led Zep. Once he dropped all that "BAY-bee BAY-bee BAY-bee" shit and just started SINGING, it turned out he was a great singer.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 10, 2015 05:54 AM (HMt16)

521 The dog faced man had a gap between his collar and jacket.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 10, 2015 05:56 AM (zTDoA)

522 #513 I figured as it became apparent that Trump might win that they would act legislatively to take away his or anyone else's ability to act and make it possible for these thighs

Um...

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 10, 2015 06:00 AM (HMt16)

523 Wonder why Muslim immigrants like buying your local carry-out stores... 7 years capital gains tax free.

7 years almost up, sell it to your immigrant brother or cousin (you know... keep the perks all in the family)... another 7 years tax free.

repeat, repeat, repeat the cycle. yeah.... immigrants gaming the system is great for America.

For the born in America guy who wants to run is own business down the street... hey man, you better pay your taxes or else we're coming for ya' buddy!

Posted by: roger martin at December 10, 2015 06:02 AM (NqWkj)

524 Didn't Jihadi John's mother teach him it's bad manners to point your knife at someone, pointy end out?

Although I admire the rakish tilt of the head.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 10, 2015 06:05 AM (zTDoA)

525 G'morning, all.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 10, 2015 06:07 AM (ptqRm)

526 "What's the body count?"

B'More jumped from #322 to #324 yesterday.

Lokking for the overnights now.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 10, 2015 06:09 AM (ptqRm)

527 Temps still in the 50s and 60s for the next 7 days here in the Greater Buffalo Area, with plenty o'sunshine.

Man, I love me some globull warmening.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 10, 2015 06:10 AM (HMt16)

528 You know the thing about a Jihadi, they've got...
lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eyes.

Posted by: Things Donald Trump Should Say at December 10, 2015 06:15 AM (nbGZj)

529 I've fallen and I can't get up!

http://www.wtrg.com

Posted by: oil prices at December 10, 2015 06:15 AM (AfsKp)

530 Is it morning yet? Lemme see if I can willow this sucker.

I'm sure scores of us sat up all night, then said screw it, put on the slippers and got a flashlight to see if we had a Federal Pacific "fusebox." Well I do, and after considerable effort, got a contractor over to work up a bid on replacing it (he never did send the bid by the way).

As it turns out, only the stab-lok breaker boxes were death-on-wheels. Other old FPE breaker and fuse systems are still considered some of the best there were. Worth looking at prolly, but just seeing their initials on the service door should not set off an immediate household emergency. There's your good news for the day.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 10, 2015 06:16 AM (xq1UY)

531 bookworm and David French start with facts to assess whether Muslim immigration is a good idea.

Others start with the axiom "Muslims are just the same as every other group. They've got to be" that they hang onto at all costs.

Imagine if Linus was actually hugging a boa constrictor and merely thought it was a blanket and couldn't be persuaded otherwise, because emotionally he needed to believe it was a blanket.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 10, 2015 06:19 AM (zTDoA)

532 There is more evidence to indicate that Islam as a religion tends to cause practitioners to go "Splodydope" then there is that Pit Bulls as a breed are killers.

Yet, here we are

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 10, 2015 06:22 AM (ptqRm)

533 When we tripled the size of our "estate" 50 years ago, we followed that formula of adding up every possible doo-dad we might ever install, and ended up with...160 amps. How things have changed.

Going to gas clothes dryer and water heater took the strain off the electric, and now I'm thinking that may be adequate. Lucky, because "tradesmen" have suddenly become damn hard to find around here, and I can wire but don't really care to get caught cutting into Edison's mains. At the rate I'm going, I may have to learn.

My next problem is, if we win that lottery for a great big gas range, I'll need to put in a larger main gas line from the street, and I don't think the GasCo does that for free. With the hydronic boiler, gas water heater, and dryer, I'm gas-maxed. Plus I will have to learn to cook all over again, but hey, it's a hobby.

All the guys we used to trade work with have retired. The skilled relatives have shuffled off this mortal coil. And my sister's buds from the refinery and hospital who used to do side-jobs, all have grandchildren now, so, no more need for money. The crowning indignity was when my master-HVAC pal closed his practice to teach at the trade school branch of comm collidge, so he could afford to keep his health bennies. Modern life. This is why Palestine looks so good.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 10, 2015 06:25 AM (xq1UY)

534 2nd day waking up with headache.

Stringer, be careful with all that wiring you are doing. Don't want a crispy fried Christmas Stringer.

Posted by: votermom at December 10, 2015 06:40 AM (cbfNE)

535 My cankle has a cackle, my cankle has a cackle and I cackle with my cankle!

Posted by: Hillary! at December 10, 2015 06:41 AM (pAf8s)

536 525 G'morning, all.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 10, 2015 06:07 AM (ptqRm) http://tiny.cc/5sv76x

Posted by: DJ Jazzy Mel at December 10, 2015 06:42 AM (22uju)

537 Fellow Moron Paul Duffau guest reviews on my blog today

http://www.bookhorde.org/2015/12/ running-rift-by-naomi-benaron.html

Posted by: votermom at December 10, 2015 06:45 AM (cbfNE)

538 Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 10, 2015 06:25 AM (xq1UY)

Beans, eat more beans and you'll not want for gas.

Posted by: Hillary! at December 10, 2015 06:45 AM (pAf8s)

539 Le NOOD.

Track two, stand clear.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 10, 2015 06:46 AM (ptqRm)

540 It is a rite of passage for every NYT editor / publisher to get a NYC carry permit : It is extremely dangerous to walk from the door of the office to the limo to the door of the doorman building . The right of the poor guy who cleans his office and goes home at 4AM thru the mean streets of NYC , his right to protect himself , well he can go whistle .

Posted by: jay hoenemeyer at December 10, 2015 09:01 AM (uvj0z)

541 Morning, ladies. Any guesses on "who we are" today?

Posted by: rebel flounder at December 10, 2015 09:11 AM (3dOE/)

542 I passed out before the ONT came out. Damn, looks like I missed a jam packed one by Maet. Job well done.

Who we are today? Why I'm one pissed off white christian middle age male. Thats who I am today

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 10, 2015 09:40 AM (w/iDp)

543 Guns are cool ! We should all be packing heat like in cowboy movies

Posted by: Righter at December 10, 2015 09:57 AM (+WXeq)

544 About that NY times chart what happened in 2009 to cause the skyrocketing deaths??
Did America do some stupid?

Posted by: mantuaBill at December 10, 2015 11:05 AM (NwON9)

545 Hm, about that NYT graph. It started, what, the day after 9/11? So it discounted the thousands killed at the hands of Muslim mass murderers in order to make it look like Islamists and non-Islamists kill in roughly equal numbers. It's just like a climatologist talking about global temperatures starting the week after the Little Ice Age had ended.

Posted by: Smallish Bees at December 10, 2015 11:56 AM (YPgXi)

546 Actually, your comparison of Islamist mass murders in America isn't fair. We're not talking 1% vs. 99%.

We're talking .5% (that is, one HALF of one percent) vs. 99.5% of the population.

Posted by: Ron Stanford at December 10, 2015 12:13 PM (/R4ru)

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