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David French: Trump and the Overton Window
A boorish and crude demagogue, but useful for smashing the walls of the leftist prison all political debate is had inside.
The leftward pressure on the Overton Window has been relentless, with conservatives reduced to applying herculean effort to simply maintain the cultural and political status quo. Yes, the Tea Party has nudged Republicans just a bit to the right, but it’s a sign of the success of the Left that a relatively unchanged GOP can be labeled as ever more extreme and "reactionary." And few realities show this leftist success better than the fact that the Window now enables expressions of overt leftist hatred and bigotry -- against Christians, against conservatives, against whites, and often against Jews. Then along came Donald Trump. On key issues, he didn’t just move the Overton Window, he smashed it, scattered the shards, and rolled over them with a steamroller.... While many of Trump’s actual proposals are misguided, nonsensical, or untenable, by smashing the window, he's begun the process of freeing the American people from the artificial and destructive constraints of Left-defined discourse.... To be clear, this change is occurring both for good and for ill. The shattering of the window reflects the shattering of the American consensus, and the result will likely be deeper polarization, and even less civility, with further strains on the ties that bind our nation together. At the same time, however, the Left's very success at defining the terms of discourse meant that the price of civility and unity was all too often an acceptance of liberal norms and manners. It meant swallowing liberal pieties and confining your discourse to Left-approved terms. In other words, it often meant surrender.It is interesting to note that one effect of this leftist-mediated "discourse" is that conservatives generally only argue in a single (permitted) mode: We can argue that our proposals achieve the priorities of the leftist socialist state better than the proposals of the left can achieve them. We argue that our policies can better achieve the left's priorities -- but it's much rarer to hear the right object to the left's prioritization of wants. That only happens on certain touchstone issues (notably, cultural issues like guns, abortion, and gay marriage, where the difference between the left and right position cannot just be split in half). By and large, we're forced to debate on the left's terms, and that means we're always proposing counter-proposals to achieve the left's priorities. I can't express how unsuited Trump is for the presidency -- are we going to have a president so impulsive as to change his mind from "Let Putin handle ISIS, what has it got to do with us?" to "Let's bomb the shit out of ISIS" and "I'll handle terrorism so hard it'll make your head spin" based on a single thing he saw on TV (San Bernardino) which completely changed all of his thoughts? But he is useful for plowing through the colossal, coralled-over shipwrecks and dead hulks of leftist thought that clog the trade-routes of political expression and debate. Ben Sasse says the public is turning to "demagogues" like Trump, with all of his bullshit, because we're tired of the old demagogues of the establishment, and all of their bullshit. I have bad news for people, and maybe the country: There is no way to stop Trump until "respectable" politicians begin to understand why he's winning and begin destroying the Legacy Failure of leftist mediated political thought themselves. People keep talking about "When he loses." Listen to me: He is not going to lose. Not on the current trajectory, he won't. Trump is setting loose passions -- some useful, some vital, and some demonic and destructive -- and people find it liberating to think freely for once in forever. You can't beat that by offering rhetorical pablum like "I'm willing to say 'Radical Islamic Jihad.'" Well bully for you, and who the hell cares? The fetish with this phrase is a rhetorical stunt designed to convince the listener that the speaker has a Bold Apologetic Plan for Destroying Terrorism, while masking the fact that the ideas being proposed are basically Obama's, plus more bombing. Trump is not going to "lose" -- passive voice. Someone will have to actually beat Trump, and no one's going to beat him by simply regurgitating the leftist-enforced Polite Company Conservative line. Most of the candidates have been trying that; like Obama's "strategy" to "contain" ISIS, it's failing, and for the same reason: Because it fails, conceptually, to understand the problem and the nature of the enemy.
Comments
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Repost from prior thread.
Is the National Review's new business model to relegate itself to the
dustbin of history by making its site so unusable that ever increasing
amounts of people realize that it's useless to link there?
Even
after allowing everyone one of 20 different javascripts to run while
loading their page, I still cannot see the content in Firefox. And it
absolutely bricked IE.
Perhaps one day they can aspire to be as usable as the Obamacare website.
Is the National Review's new business model to relegate itself to the
dustbin of history by making its site so unusable that ever increasing
amounts of people realize that it's useless to link there?
Even
after allowing everyone one of 20 different javascripts to run while
loading their page, I still cannot see the content in Firefox. And it
absolutely bricked IE.
Perhaps one day they can aspire to be as usable as the Obamacare website.
Posted by: rebel flounder at December 09, 2015 02:31 PM (3dOE/)
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Any tips for using Firefox for NR's site?
Posted by: rebel flounder at December 09, 2015 02:32 PM (3dOE/)
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The job of Gozer the Destroyer is not to get elected.
The job of Gozer the Destroyer is to...destroy.
The job of Gozer the Destroyer is to...destroy.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 09, 2015 02:32 PM (UPYPp)
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at December 09, 2015 02:33 PM (t2KH5)
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Someone will have to actually beat Trump"
Bbbbut how will that get me the invite to next season's "holiday" parties in G-town?
Asks everyone inside the beltway, always.
Bbbbut how will that get me the invite to next season's "holiday" parties in G-town?
Asks everyone inside the beltway, always.
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at December 09, 2015 02:33 PM (C9pBZ)
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Who is this Overton and where can I find his window?
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2015 02:34 PM (jBuUi)
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"people find it liberating to think freely for once in forever"
which is largely the reason I currently support him
he opened the windows and let the air in
which is largely the reason I currently support him
he opened the windows and let the air in
Posted by: Feh at December 09, 2015 02:34 PM (RGla5)
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"Trump's . . . begun the process of freeing the
American people from the artificial and destructive constraints of
Left-defined discourse."
And if Trump goes down in a blaze of glory, he will have at least done us this great service.
American people from the artificial and destructive constraints of
Left-defined discourse."
And if Trump goes down in a blaze of glory, he will have at least done us this great service.
Posted by: rebel flounder at December 09, 2015 02:34 PM (3dOE/)
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Trump has defenestrated leftism out of the third-story Overton Window.
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2015 02:34 PM (jBuUi)
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So Ace, is a Trump podcast in the works?
Posted by: rebel flounder at December 09, 2015 02:34 PM (3dOE/)
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Cruz in the slipstream ready for the slingshot.
Posted by: redenzo at December 09, 2015 02:35 PM (WCnJW)
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rebel
Drudge's site is a dinosaur, doesn't even re-arrange for mobile use, but damn if it doesn't *work*
Drudge's site is a dinosaur, doesn't even re-arrange for mobile use, but damn if it doesn't *work*
Posted by: Feh at December 09, 2015 02:35 PM (RGla5)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 09, 2015 02:36 PM (HMt16)
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at December 09, 2015 02:36 PM (C9pBZ)
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>>>"people find it liberating to think freely for once in forever"
which is largely the reason I currently support him
he opened the windows and let the air in
...
and I do think that's something, but my god, he flips from "Let Putin handle it" to suggesting he'll carpet bomb cities with lots of (intentional) civilian casualties.
He seems like someone who is just encountering these questions for the first time, so it's easy to push him from one extreme to another. He has no momentum in his own thinking, so any gust of news can send him flying about.
which is largely the reason I currently support him
he opened the windows and let the air in
...
and I do think that's something, but my god, he flips from "Let Putin handle it" to suggesting he'll carpet bomb cities with lots of (intentional) civilian casualties.
He seems like someone who is just encountering these questions for the first time, so it's easy to push him from one extreme to another. He has no momentum in his own thinking, so any gust of news can send him flying about.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2015 02:36 PM (dciA+)
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8: "And if Trump goes down in a blaze of glory, he will have at least done us this great service."
His greatest boon would be to let future candidates know that they can effectively run without fearing the scolds and concern trolls.
His greatest boon would be to let future candidates know that they can effectively run without fearing the scolds and concern trolls.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 09, 2015 02:36 PM (UPYPp)
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Trump as smasher of the status quo, yes.
Trump as president, no.
So, who beats him? Cruz, maybe, drafting as he has been. Can Cruz beat Hillary?
Maybe -- and this is a theory I have held firmly for 20 seconds -- the smashing and Overton Window moving is what we get out of this cycle. Trump the Destroyer.
And maybe it does us some good in the future when we're past President Hillary.
Trump as president, no.
So, who beats him? Cruz, maybe, drafting as he has been. Can Cruz beat Hillary?
Maybe -- and this is a theory I have held firmly for 20 seconds -- the smashing and Overton Window moving is what we get out of this cycle. Trump the Destroyer.
And maybe it does us some good in the future when we're past President Hillary.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 09, 2015 02:36 PM (1xUj/)
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Most of the candidates have been trying that; like Obama's "strategy" to
"contain" ISIS, it's failing, and for the same reason: Because it
fails, conceptually, to understand the problem and the nature of the
enemy.
Most of the candidates are RINOs begging for scraps from the CoC.
"contain" ISIS, it's failing, and for the same reason: Because it
fails, conceptually, to understand the problem and the nature of the
enemy.
Most of the candidates are RINOs begging for scraps from the CoC.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at December 09, 2015 02:36 PM (t2KH5)
Posted by: JEB at December 09, 2015 02:36 PM (OiFtZ)
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6 Who is this Overton and where can I find his window?
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2015 02:34 PM (jBuUi)
I think Overton is the anti-Bastiat, but I'm not sure.
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2015 02:34 PM (jBuUi)
I think Overton is the anti-Bastiat, but I'm not sure.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 09, 2015 02:36 PM (AkOaV)
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Unsuited? LOL most of them aren't even up to Trump's suitability.
Posted by: Bigby's Green Thumb at December 09, 2015 02:36 PM (3ZtZW)
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Drudge's site at this point has to be considered "retro-cool. "
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 09, 2015 02:37 PM (HMt16)
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It is interesting to note that one effect of this leftist-mediated "discourse" is that conservatives generally only argue in a single (permitted) mode: We can argue that our proposals achieve the priorities of the leftist socialist state better than the proposals of the left can achieve them.
This is what has bugged me for years: the Republicans as the tax collectors for the socialist state. Stopping this is what I have always meant by LiFB. Don't spend political capital to make the insane schemes of the Left almost work. Let them fail and kick the effin board over.
This is what has bugged me for years: the Republicans as the tax collectors for the socialist state. Stopping this is what I have always meant by LiFB. Don't spend political capital to make the insane schemes of the Left almost work. Let them fail and kick the effin board over.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at December 09, 2015 02:37 PM (evdj2)
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Cruz. The answer is Cruz.
Cruz on ISIS:
"If I am elected president, we will utterly destroy ISIS," the Texas senator and Republican presidential candidate told reporters. "We won't weaken them. We won't degrade them. We will utterly destroy them. We will carpet bomb them into oblivion. We will arm the Kurds. We will do everything necessary so that every militant on the face of the earth will know if you go and join ISIS, if you wage jihad and declare war on America, you are signing your death warrant."
Cruz on ISIS:
"If I am elected president, we will utterly destroy ISIS," the Texas senator and Republican presidential candidate told reporters. "We won't weaken them. We won't degrade them. We will utterly destroy them. We will carpet bomb them into oblivion. We will arm the Kurds. We will do everything necessary so that every militant on the face of the earth will know if you go and join ISIS, if you wage jihad and declare war on America, you are signing your death warrant."
Posted by: Lauren at December 09, 2015 02:37 PM (Kqit+)
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1
Repost from prior thread.
Is the National Review's new business model to relegate itself to the
dustbin of history by making its site so unusable that ever increasing
amounts of people realize that it's useless to link there?
Even
after allowing everyone one of 20 different javascripts to run while
loading their page, I still cannot see the content in Firefox. And it
absolutely bricked IE.
Perhaps one day they can aspire to be as usable as the Obamacare website.
Posted by: rebel flounder at December 09, 2015 02:31 PM (3dOE/)
The Fox News site is going to the same crap now. It is almost unusable.
Repost from prior thread.
Is the National Review's new business model to relegate itself to the
dustbin of history by making its site so unusable that ever increasing
amounts of people realize that it's useless to link there?
Even
after allowing everyone one of 20 different javascripts to run while
loading their page, I still cannot see the content in Firefox. And it
absolutely bricked IE.
Perhaps one day they can aspire to be as usable as the Obamacare website.
Posted by: rebel flounder at December 09, 2015 02:31 PM (3dOE/)
The Fox News site is going to the same crap now. It is almost unusable.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at December 09, 2015 02:37 PM (t2KH5)
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He has no momentum in his own thinking, so any gust of news can send him flying about. "
Hmm. Sounds like our current resident in chief...
Hmm. Sounds like our current resident in chief...
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at December 09, 2015 02:37 PM (C9pBZ)
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Good points, Ace. And I don't think there IS anyone out there capable of beating him; the only exception being Trump himself....
Posted by: Dirty Randy at December 09, 2015 02:37 PM (jjaLl)
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the Overton has to do with what the people find to be an acceptable range of policy options
I also like how Trump is creating a new policy "middle" by taking a position at the other extreme from Obama & Co.
godsend
I also like how Trump is creating a new policy "middle" by taking a position at the other extreme from Obama & Co.
godsend
Posted by: Feh at December 09, 2015 02:37 PM (RGla5)
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12
rebel
Drudge's site is a dinosaur, doesn't even re-arrange for mobile use, but damn if it doesn't *work*
Posted by: Feh at December 09, 2015 02:35 PM (RGla5)
I know. Someone at NR should be fired for how f'd up it is. 20+ unique javascripts? *mini-rage-stroke*
rebel
Drudge's site is a dinosaur, doesn't even re-arrange for mobile use, but damn if it doesn't *work*
Posted by: Feh at December 09, 2015 02:35 PM (RGla5)
I know. Someone at NR should be fired for how f'd up it is. 20+ unique javascripts? *mini-rage-stroke*
Posted by: rebel flounder at December 09, 2015 02:38 PM (3dOE/)
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>>>Trump has defenestrated leftism out of the third-story Overton Window.
um... kind of. At the same time he's bringing along some people, he is convincing others to vote against him, even for Hillary, and I'm talking about the Megyn Kelly class of "respectable" middle-class educated Republicans.
People care more about their own self-opinion of themselves than any external political question, and Trump is making it impossible for that breed to support him.
um... kind of. At the same time he's bringing along some people, he is convincing others to vote against him, even for Hillary, and I'm talking about the Megyn Kelly class of "respectable" middle-class educated Republicans.
People care more about their own self-opinion of themselves than any external political question, and Trump is making it impossible for that breed to support him.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2015 02:38 PM (dciA+)
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As a simple exercise to show how import stopping the current leftward skew of the Overton window is, consider that adopting the public policies of the Obama campaign in 2008 is now considered enough to merit imprisonment according to the "reasonable", "judicious" political establishment.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 09, 2015 02:38 PM (X7E8f)
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That was really good and I concur.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 09, 2015 02:38 PM (/tuJf)
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and yes, I'm hoping Trump has served his purpose and someone comes along and grabs the torch.
Frankly, I thought it would be Rand. But he's been a huge disappointment. I guess Cruz will do.
But the closer and closer we get to the primaries with Trump leading the more... uneasy I get about it.
But we shall see. I guess he wouldn't be a worse president then Obama, Hillary, or any of the Bushes. Just less predictable.
Frankly, I thought it would be Rand. But he's been a huge disappointment. I guess Cruz will do.
But the closer and closer we get to the primaries with Trump leading the more... uneasy I get about it.
But we shall see. I guess he wouldn't be a worse president then Obama, Hillary, or any of the Bushes. Just less predictable.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 09, 2015 02:38 PM (AkOaV)
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That's just not who we are!
That's just not who we are!
That's just not who we are!
That's just not who we are!
That's just not who we are!
That's just not who we are!
That's just not who we are!
That's just not who we are!
Posted by: Liberal Snowflake at December 09, 2015 02:38 PM (OiFtZ)
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I don't think Trump is intellectually or temperamentally fit for the Presidency. Then again, the last individual to serve as President who I did think was fit for the job left office in January of 1989.
But based on the way things are going, I am probably going to have to vote for the short-fingered vulgarian simply as a way of jamming a thumb in the eye of the elitist bien-pensant class who find him so unspeakably horrifying.
That isn't merely the bien-pensant class on the west side of the Atlantic. The chattering classes in the UK are in a state of complete fulmination right now. First the rise of Trump in the USA, then as a chaser, the victories by the National Front in France.
They said these things could never happen. Yet these things are happening. All of the comfortably asserted granitic certainties of the elites are being torn down before their eyes, and they're genuinely panicked by that.
But based on the way things are going, I am probably going to have to vote for the short-fingered vulgarian simply as a way of jamming a thumb in the eye of the elitist bien-pensant class who find him so unspeakably horrifying.
That isn't merely the bien-pensant class on the west side of the Atlantic. The chattering classes in the UK are in a state of complete fulmination right now. First the rise of Trump in the USA, then as a chaser, the victories by the National Front in France.
They said these things could never happen. Yet these things are happening. All of the comfortably asserted granitic certainties of the elites are being torn down before their eyes, and they're genuinely panicked by that.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 09, 2015 02:38 PM (noWW6)
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Yesterday I said Trump was the little boy in "The Emperor's New Clothes." Only more of a Bart Simpson type.
That Trump would say that the Emperor is naked and a disgusting pervert.
People would object to the "pervert" part. And maybe the word "disgusting", but they would settle on "naked" to describe the Emperor.
French is saying that by being extreme in his statements Trump pushed the Overton window over to where he wants it to be. Just like the Left always does.
Yay me! I got it right!
That Trump would say that the Emperor is naked and a disgusting pervert.
People would object to the "pervert" part. And maybe the word "disgusting", but they would settle on "naked" to describe the Emperor.
French is saying that by being extreme in his statements Trump pushed the Overton window over to where he wants it to be. Just like the Left always does.
Yay me! I got it right!
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Let the Outrage Outlet Plan and Cater Your Holiday Atrocity! at December 09, 2015 02:39 PM (hLRSq)
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The fact that the GOP went biz as usual after 2008 loss is inexplicable.
They knew the only way to get back on top was to go for a populist campaign that could have peeled off the blue collar vote.
But no. They had their lunch eaten again in 2012 and now they're upset Trump is leading without lifting a finger.
Oh, yeah. Their contempt for the little people and the little people issues like immigration, wages, crony crapitalism - exactly the tone-deaf attitude that destroys parties.
GOP, Heal thyself or just fucking HEEL!
They knew the only way to get back on top was to go for a populist campaign that could have peeled off the blue collar vote.
But no. They had their lunch eaten again in 2012 and now they're upset Trump is leading without lifting a finger.
Oh, yeah. Their contempt for the little people and the little people issues like immigration, wages, crony crapitalism - exactly the tone-deaf attitude that destroys parties.
GOP, Heal thyself or just fucking HEEL!
Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 09, 2015 02:39 PM (9YDUz)
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Yes, the Tea Party has nudged FEW Republicans just a bit to the right,
Fixed that for him.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at December 09, 2015 02:33 PM (t2KH5)
You forgot,
Racist Extreme Out of Touch Tea Party
Fixed that for him.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at December 09, 2015 02:33 PM (t2KH5)
You forgot,
Racist Extreme Out of Touch Tea Party
Posted by: rd at December 09, 2015 02:40 PM (Sffn6)
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Money quote from the post:
"I have bad news for people, and maybe the country: There is no way to stop Trump until "respectable" politicians begin to understand why he's winning and begin destroying the Legacy Failure of leftist mediated political thought themselves."
Thanks ace
"I have bad news for people, and maybe the country: There is no way to stop Trump until "respectable" politicians begin to understand why he's winning and begin destroying the Legacy Failure of leftist mediated political thought themselves."
Thanks ace
Posted by: L, Elle at December 09, 2015 02:40 PM (2x3L+)
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Any tips for using Firefox for NR's site?
Posted by: rebel flounder at December 09, 2015 02:32 PM
That place is a pain. At the very least get the AdBlock Plus add-on.You'll wonder how you ever lived without it. I use that and FlashStopper (to stop autoplay shite). That works well enough for me but I'm sure others are going to suggest the NoScript add-on as well.
Posted by: rebel flounder at December 09, 2015 02:32 PM
That place is a pain. At the very least get the AdBlock Plus add-on.You'll wonder how you ever lived without it. I use that and FlashStopper (to stop autoplay shite). That works well enough for me but I'm sure others are going to suggest the NoScript add-on as well.
Posted by: jow at December 09, 2015 02:41 PM (MCOBY)
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The only thing this thread lacks is a noose.
Posted by: Grump928(c) beating memes to death since 2006 at December 09, 2015 02:41 PM (evdj2)
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Repost from prior thread.
Is the National Review's new business model to relegate itself to the
dustbin of history by making its site so unusable that ever increasing
amounts of people realize that it's useless to link there?
Even
after allowing everyone one of 20 different javascripts to run while
loading their page, I still cannot see the content in Firefox. And it
absolutely bricked IE.
Perhaps one day they can aspire to be as usable as the Obamacare website.
Posted by: rebel flounder at December 09, 2015 02:31 PM (3dOE/)
I agree. Their site has become unusable. Also, has anyone found a lot of the new site design are horrible to navigate and find things? Scrolling through a list of articles with all of the text in-between is maddening.
Is the National Review's new business model to relegate itself to the
dustbin of history by making its site so unusable that ever increasing
amounts of people realize that it's useless to link there?
Even
after allowing everyone one of 20 different javascripts to run while
loading their page, I still cannot see the content in Firefox. And it
absolutely bricked IE.
Perhaps one day they can aspire to be as usable as the Obamacare website.
Posted by: rebel flounder at December 09, 2015 02:31 PM (3dOE/)
I agree. Their site has become unusable. Also, has anyone found a lot of the new site design are horrible to navigate and find things? Scrolling through a list of articles with all of the text in-between is maddening.
Posted by: WOPR at December 09, 2015 02:41 PM (LTDSy)
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"Trump is making it impossible for that breed to support him. "
Yes, but he is making it possible for them to support Cruz.
Trump: I'm going to ban all the muslims!
Cruz: Hey, let's pause all immigration from countries with ISIS presence for a few years.
Before Trump Cruz (and Paul...it's really his idea) were the ZOMG crazy people. Now they're the sane alternative.
Yes, but he is making it possible for them to support Cruz.
Trump: I'm going to ban all the muslims!
Cruz: Hey, let's pause all immigration from countries with ISIS presence for a few years.
Before Trump Cruz (and Paul...it's really his idea) were the ZOMG crazy people. Now they're the sane alternative.
Posted by: Lauren at December 09, 2015 02:41 PM (Kqit+)
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The more the pusillanimous weenies of the Chattering Class fulminate against Trump, the better I like him.
What we need, after decades of self-righteous Democrats and gutless, smooth-talking "Republicans" (a.k.a. JV Democrats) is a boorish dude who actually wants to take steps to make things right.
It is no longer about "process" or "Optics" or any of that stuff so beloved by the pundits; it's time for results. Time to offend those who deserve to be slapped with a dead, wet fish.
P.S., Ace -- exactly who do you think is "suited" for the presidency? I see lots of people who think they are, but none who has demonstrated any skill beyond speechifying, fund-raising and/or sucking at the Public Teat for the majority of their adult lives.
What we need, after decades of self-righteous Democrats and gutless, smooth-talking "Republicans" (a.k.a. JV Democrats) is a boorish dude who actually wants to take steps to make things right.
It is no longer about "process" or "Optics" or any of that stuff so beloved by the pundits; it's time for results. Time to offend those who deserve to be slapped with a dead, wet fish.
P.S., Ace -- exactly who do you think is "suited" for the presidency? I see lots of people who think they are, but none who has demonstrated any skill beyond speechifying, fund-raising and/or sucking at the Public Teat for the majority of their adult lives.
Posted by: MrScribbler at December 09, 2015 02:41 PM (ykopX)
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Someone will have to actually beat Trump
====
You mean instead of marginalizing his supporters? Hell, saying 'supporters' is marginalizing.
Look, its the same tack. Tea Party = Racist. Trumpalos = Trailer trash. None of them give a fuck about the working class and none of them understand the first thing about them and none of them understand that this isn't about simple backstabbing but the absolute *hamburger* they've made of the working stiff's back.
Beat him? Fuck You. Hillary it is.
====
You mean instead of marginalizing his supporters? Hell, saying 'supporters' is marginalizing.
Look, its the same tack. Tea Party = Racist. Trumpalos = Trailer trash. None of them give a fuck about the working class and none of them understand the first thing about them and none of them understand that this isn't about simple backstabbing but the absolute *hamburger* they've made of the working stiff's back.
Beat him? Fuck You. Hillary it is.
Posted by: Bigby's Green Thumb at December 09, 2015 02:41 PM (3ZtZW)
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ace, yeah, he does seem to go off half-cocked, but that's part of the swagger of free-thinking leadership that puts everyone else, Hillary included, in the shadow
my guess is most americans know they're up shit creek, and they're looking not just for competence, but believable authority
they're looking for a new john wayne
and Trump's version of that is that, like Springer, he hugs old ladies
pretty potent
my guess is most americans know they're up shit creek, and they're looking not just for competence, but believable authority
they're looking for a new john wayne
and Trump's version of that is that, like Springer, he hugs old ladies
pretty potent
Posted by: Feh at December 09, 2015 02:42 PM (RGla5)
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I'm talking about the Megyn Kelly class of "respectable" middle-class educated Republicans.
***
For 15 years this class has counseled surrender each and every time. We are where we are because the establishment right stopped fighting and started collaborating with the left. They caused Trump. And the only way to stop Trump is for *them* to stop doing what they have been doing. And they continue to refuse to do so.
If the choice is abject and unconditional surrender or go down in a YUGE blaze of glory people are going to choose the latter.
***
For 15 years this class has counseled surrender each and every time. We are where we are because the establishment right stopped fighting and started collaborating with the left. They caused Trump. And the only way to stop Trump is for *them* to stop doing what they have been doing. And they continue to refuse to do so.
If the choice is abject and unconditional surrender or go down in a YUGE blaze of glory people are going to choose the latter.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 09, 2015 02:42 PM (X7E8f)
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Most of the candidates have been trying that; like Obama's "strategy" to "contain" ISIS, it's failing, and for the same reason: Because it fails, conceptually, to understand the problem and the nature of the enemy.
The Republicans are JV.
The Republicans are JV.
Posted by: Grump928(c) beating memes to death since 2006 at December 09, 2015 02:42 PM (evdj2)
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A boorish and crude demagogue, but useful for smashing the walls of the leftist prison all political debate is had inside.
Political correctness is all about making one end of the spectrum on issues a 'no-go' zone, pushing the debate ever leftward.
Political correctness is all about making one end of the spectrum on issues a 'no-go' zone, pushing the debate ever leftward.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at December 09, 2015 02:42 PM (oVJmc)
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Brilliant as usual, ace.
I have bad news for people, and maybe the country: There is no way to stop Trump until "respectable" politicians begin to understand why he's winning and begin destroying the Legacy Failure of leftist mediated political thought themselves.
I would like to congratulate President Elect Trump on his election.
Here's the thing. Trump can say this and Trump can do this because Trump has nothing to lose.
Only someone with fuck you money can tell Our Betters fuck you and have them listen.
I have bad news for people, and maybe the country: There is no way to stop Trump until "respectable" politicians begin to understand why he's winning and begin destroying the Legacy Failure of leftist mediated political thought themselves.
I would like to congratulate President Elect Trump on his election.
Here's the thing. Trump can say this and Trump can do this because Trump has nothing to lose.
Only someone with fuck you money can tell Our Betters fuck you and have them listen.
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at December 09, 2015 02:42 PM (mf5HN)
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Hillary is a shitty candidate. No one *wants* to vote for her except those confused screeching under-sexed harridans you see in videos from college campuses
Posted by: Feh at December 09, 2015 02:43 PM (RGla5)
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We need to be careful on excoriating Trump for his statements about the muzzies based on anything from the MFM or the RNCe RINOs. Here is a BB article that gives trumps actual statements that I linked this morning and they are not really that outlandish.
BB article on Trump's call, including his entire quote, which is not what most of the MFM is saying about his proposal. Worth a read.
http://bit.ly/1PXWQsD
BB article on Trump's call, including his entire quote, which is not what most of the MFM is saying about his proposal. Worth a read.
http://bit.ly/1PXWQsD
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at December 09, 2015 02:43 PM (t2KH5)
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35 They said these things could never happen. Yet these things are happening. All of the comfortably asserted granitic certainties of the elites are being torn down before their eyes, and they're genuinely panicked by that.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 09, 2015 02:38 PM (noWW6)
It is spectacular.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 09, 2015 02:38 PM (noWW6)
It is spectacular.
Posted by: rebel flounder at December 09, 2015 02:44 PM (3dOE/)
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Posted by: Vic-we have no party at December 09, 2015 02:37 PM (t2KH5)
Glad to hear I ain't the only one. Thought it was one/some of my add-ons.
I have the add-on Start In IE so now when I know it's an NRO link I just click that and I can see the page. But even IE says there's errors on the page.
They personify the GOPe in so many little ways it's funny.
Glad to hear I ain't the only one. Thought it was one/some of my add-ons.
I have the add-on Start In IE so now when I know it's an NRO link I just click that and I can see the page. But even IE says there's errors on the page.
They personify the GOPe in so many little ways it's funny.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 09, 2015 02:44 PM (Xo1Rt)
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I can't express how unsuited Trump is for the presidency -- are we going
to have a president so impulsive as to change his mind from "Let Putin
handle ISIS, what has it got to do with us?" to "Let's bomb the shit out
of ISIS" and "I'll handle terrorism so hard it'll make your head spin"
based on a single thing he saw on TV (San Bernardino) which completely
changed all of his thoughts?
How is this any different than the Many Faces of Hillary, who simply changes to fit the moment and knows that the Gatekeepers will not trouble her with her previous statements or positions?
to have a president so impulsive as to change his mind from "Let Putin
handle ISIS, what has it got to do with us?" to "Let's bomb the shit out
of ISIS" and "I'll handle terrorism so hard it'll make your head spin"
based on a single thing he saw on TV (San Bernardino) which completely
changed all of his thoughts?
How is this any different than the Many Faces of Hillary, who simply changes to fit the moment and knows that the Gatekeepers will not trouble her with her previous statements or positions?
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at December 09, 2015 02:44 PM (oVJmc)
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Trump is the LIB candidate.
Posted by: L, Elle at December 09, 2015 02:45 PM (2x3L+)
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Trump has discovered an electorate that has been completely ignored, unrepresented and unserved.
Includes a lot of morons, for sure.
Includes a lot of morons, for sure.
Posted by: navybrat at December 09, 2015 02:45 PM (ETxiG)
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Trump Steaks are by far the best tasting most flavorful beef you've ever had.
Posted by: x at December 09, 2015 02:45 PM (57fhp)
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As far as I'm concerned, Trump can swing as wildly as he wants to as long as he recruits the right people to reign him in. We don't need four more years of swamp gas from the Beltway quagmire.
Posted by: Fritz at December 09, 2015 02:45 PM (UzPAd)
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Whatever will they do now that there is someone who will not be silenced or cowed into PC submission.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at December 09, 2015 02:45 PM (fWAjv)
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I can't express how unsuited Trump is for the presidency -- are we going to have a president so impulsive as to change his mind from "Let Putin handle ISIS, what has it got to do with us?" to "Let's bomb the shit out of ISIS" and "I'll handle terrorism so hard it'll make your head spin" based on a single thing he saw on TV (San Bernardino) which completely changed all of his thoughts?
Why do people think this? Oh, that's right. They have never ran a successful business in their life.
A successful businessman tries to look at all angles to find out what is best for his company, or what is the least harmful.
So he changes course? Maybe it's because the original course was untenable?
I'd rather have someone who is open to change should facts warrant it, than auger in because!
Why do people think this? Oh, that's right. They have never ran a successful business in their life.
A successful businessman tries to look at all angles to find out what is best for his company, or what is the least harmful.
So he changes course? Maybe it's because the original course was untenable?
I'd rather have someone who is open to change should facts warrant it, than auger in because!
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2015 02:46 PM (DKgtk)
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I only read NRO emails, I go to site from links in mail.
Before I had Ghostery & Ad Block, I would see pictures of the exact same things I'd looked at info to buy or try.
Before I had Ghostery & Ad Block, I would see pictures of the exact same things I'd looked at info to buy or try.
Posted by: Carol at December 09, 2015 02:46 PM (sj3Ax)
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It is this very smashing of the window that is the source of much of the support for Trump found here. He says
The media is all in for the Left.
The Left is crushing American business.
Climate change is a joke.
There ain't a whit of difference in the Left and the GOPe.
And so as he hulk smashes Clint Eastwood's empty chair, we cheer his effort if not his sanity.
The media is all in for the Left.
The Left is crushing American business.
Climate change is a joke.
There ain't a whit of difference in the Left and the GOPe.
And so as he hulk smashes Clint Eastwood's empty chair, we cheer his effort if not his sanity.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 09, 2015 02:46 PM (gyKtp)
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24 Cruz. The answer is Cruz.
Cruz on ISIS:
"If I am elected president, we will utterly destroy ISIS," the Texas senator and Republican presidential candidate told reporters. "We won't weaken them. We won't degrade them. We will utterly destroy them. We will carpet bomb them into oblivion. We will arm the Kurds. We will do everything necessary so that every militant on the face of the earth will know if you go and join ISIS, if you wage jihad and declare war on America, you are signing your death warrant."
Posted by: Lauren at December 09, 2015 02:37 PM (Kqit+)
It has long seemed to my average mind that would be Jihadists need to come to the understanding that joining ISIS is suicide.
Cruz on ISIS:
"If I am elected president, we will utterly destroy ISIS," the Texas senator and Republican presidential candidate told reporters. "We won't weaken them. We won't degrade them. We will utterly destroy them. We will carpet bomb them into oblivion. We will arm the Kurds. We will do everything necessary so that every militant on the face of the earth will know if you go and join ISIS, if you wage jihad and declare war on America, you are signing your death warrant."
Posted by: Lauren at December 09, 2015 02:37 PM (Kqit+)
It has long seemed to my average mind that would be Jihadists need to come to the understanding that joining ISIS is suicide.
Posted by: Northernlurker at December 09, 2015 02:46 PM (hJrjt)
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Ben Sasse says
Sassy!
Trump is saying things we're not allowed to say, but are often thinking. That is his appeal.
Sassy!
Trump is saying things we're not allowed to say, but are often thinking. That is his appeal.
Posted by: Lea at December 09, 2015 02:46 PM (lIU4e)
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>>I have bad news for people, and maybe the country: There is no way to stop Trump until "respectable" politicians begin to understand why he's winning and begin destroying the Legacy Failure of leftist mediated political thought themselves.
I would once again suggest to any that haven't read it to read Plat's Republic book 8 (I think). He goes through the 4 stages of governance and gives reasons why societies give up on one and move on to the next.
The second to last stage was democracy. The major failing was too much individual freedom. What he was getting at is what we have been seeing with the rise of the SJW movement and non-stop butthurt because everyone had to have their own personal freedoms regardless of the communal good. This causes chaos and a need for order and the last stage of governance, the strong man.
Prescient.
I would once again suggest to any that haven't read it to read Plat's Republic book 8 (I think). He goes through the 4 stages of governance and gives reasons why societies give up on one and move on to the next.
The second to last stage was democracy. The major failing was too much individual freedom. What he was getting at is what we have been seeing with the rise of the SJW movement and non-stop butthurt because everyone had to have their own personal freedoms regardless of the communal good. This causes chaos and a need for order and the last stage of governance, the strong man.
Prescient.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 09, 2015 02:46 PM (/tuJf)
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I will say this is the one thing I do admire about Trump. Conservatives being afraid to discuss vital issues is a big reason why the culture has shifted, and this was always part of the plan.
I never bought into the idea that a majority of Americans wanted an open border amnesty type policies, but since both parties were on board at least partially, everyone else went along.
My problem with Trump though is he could also blow up our own side also, and it will probably be purely for his own selfish reasons like he's not getting enough attention anymore and needs to up the ante.
I never bought into the idea that a majority of Americans wanted an open border amnesty type policies, but since both parties were on board at least partially, everyone else went along.
My problem with Trump though is he could also blow up our own side also, and it will probably be purely for his own selfish reasons like he's not getting enough attention anymore and needs to up the ante.
Posted by: Coolio at December 09, 2015 02:47 PM (QnRLU)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 09, 2015 02:47 PM (kwNTG)
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This essay is brilliant and I'm totally stealing it. All the people worried about Trump winning the nomination can focus on their own candidates deficiencies instead of Trumps. If he's so damn bad, how 'come he's beating everyone else to pulp?
Posted by: MTF at December 09, 2015 02:47 PM (TxJGV)
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"reflects the shattering of the American consensus, and the result will likely be deeper polarization, and even less civility, with further strains on the ties that bind our nation together"
As long as the left is winning, as long as the left gets what they want, as long as the political left is unchallenged, as long as there is no consequence for the tactics used by the left, they will keep on doing what they are doing.
Along comes Trump and challenges the left, their assumptions, their double standard, the premise, the definitions, and it means war.
The was an off hand comment about Buchanan and how his failure as president set us up for the Civil War. We are either going to repeat what happened to Germany in the late thirties, or we are going to repeat what happened when Lincoln was elected.
The left will not give up and surrender like the GOP has done.
As long as the left is winning, as long as the left gets what they want, as long as the political left is unchallenged, as long as there is no consequence for the tactics used by the left, they will keep on doing what they are doing.
Along comes Trump and challenges the left, their assumptions, their double standard, the premise, the definitions, and it means war.
The was an off hand comment about Buchanan and how his failure as president set us up for the Civil War. We are either going to repeat what happened to Germany in the late thirties, or we are going to repeat what happened when Lincoln was elected.
The left will not give up and surrender like the GOP has done.
Posted by: Thad Buffet at December 09, 2015 02:47 PM (Nh58q)
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"republicans are JV'
insightful
JV also in the way they wear suits and ties because their desires are merely mimetic
sackless since Goldwater
THIS is the party of creativity, innovation, balls to the wall competition, and military might?
hahahahahaha
no
insightful
JV also in the way they wear suits and ties because their desires are merely mimetic
sackless since Goldwater
THIS is the party of creativity, innovation, balls to the wall competition, and military might?
hahahahahaha
no
Posted by: Feh at December 09, 2015 02:47 PM (RGla5)
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It is interesting to note that one effect of this leftist-mediated "discourse" is that conservatives generally only argue in a single (permitted) mode: We can argue that our proposals achieve the priorities of the leftist socialist state better than the proposals of the left can achieve them.
I so glad you brought this exact topic up, Ace.
Remember "the Laffer Curve" during the Reagan Administration.
Economist Arthur Laffer popularized the now self-evident truism that, in order to maximize government revenure through taxation, you need to set the tax rate at some point between 0% an 100% where the "curve" of return rates hit their apex.
In other words, if you set the tax rate to 0%, obviously the government will take in zero in revenue. And if you set the tax rate at 100%, obviously the government will also take in zero, because with a 100% tax rate there is no incentive to work, since the government will just confiscate all your income.
So Laffer studied historical trends and statistics and determined pretty precisely where the optimum point would be -- somewhere where the government gets a healthy cut, but no so much that it would suppress incentive.
Turns out the rate was somewhat lower than it had been set during the Carter years, so Reagan lowered the rates. Behold! By lowering rates, he ended up INCREASING revenue, and Laffer (and history and common sense) were proven right.
But the Left, needless to say, went ballistic with rage, because the felt that Reagan was lowering tax rates to reward his wealthy friends, and the Left didn't care that the end result was more money for their pet government programs; they revealed that their real agenda was to punish the rich and the middle class.
But back to you point: Even in the 1980s, the eft had so influenced the "Overton Window" that the debate was about how we can maximize government revenue -- a leftist concept to begin with. Why was Reagan even trying to increase government, if he ran on a small government platform? Because the leftist Overton Window had already backed him into a corner: The left's agenda was to endlessly grow government, and all Reagan could do within this framewoork was to implement the Laffer Curve tax rates so he could at least increase government in ways pleasing to Republicans (i.e. more for defense, farming, etc.). Even Reagan couldn't bust the Overton Window and say, "Why are we even trying to increase government revenue? We should be DECREASING government revenue! Fuck Laffer and his damned curve!"
The Left has been pushing that window for a long, long time.
I so glad you brought this exact topic up, Ace.
Remember "the Laffer Curve" during the Reagan Administration.
Economist Arthur Laffer popularized the now self-evident truism that, in order to maximize government revenure through taxation, you need to set the tax rate at some point between 0% an 100% where the "curve" of return rates hit their apex.
In other words, if you set the tax rate to 0%, obviously the government will take in zero in revenue. And if you set the tax rate at 100%, obviously the government will also take in zero, because with a 100% tax rate there is no incentive to work, since the government will just confiscate all your income.
So Laffer studied historical trends and statistics and determined pretty precisely where the optimum point would be -- somewhere where the government gets a healthy cut, but no so much that it would suppress incentive.
Turns out the rate was somewhat lower than it had been set during the Carter years, so Reagan lowered the rates. Behold! By lowering rates, he ended up INCREASING revenue, and Laffer (and history and common sense) were proven right.
But the Left, needless to say, went ballistic with rage, because the felt that Reagan was lowering tax rates to reward his wealthy friends, and the Left didn't care that the end result was more money for their pet government programs; they revealed that their real agenda was to punish the rich and the middle class.
But back to you point: Even in the 1980s, the eft had so influenced the "Overton Window" that the debate was about how we can maximize government revenue -- a leftist concept to begin with. Why was Reagan even trying to increase government, if he ran on a small government platform? Because the leftist Overton Window had already backed him into a corner: The left's agenda was to endlessly grow government, and all Reagan could do within this framewoork was to implement the Laffer Curve tax rates so he could at least increase government in ways pleasing to Republicans (i.e. more for defense, farming, etc.). Even Reagan couldn't bust the Overton Window and say, "Why are we even trying to increase government revenue? We should be DECREASING government revenue! Fuck Laffer and his damned curve!"
The Left has been pushing that window for a long, long time.
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2015 02:48 PM (jBuUi)
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#37 But no. They had their lunch eaten again in 2012 and now they're upset Trump is leading without lifting a finger.
While it's true that Trump is not spending much dough, he's outworking every other candidate (including the Dems) by a yuge margin. Not even close.
Even the Trump-haters have to admit the guy relentlessly works his ass off. And unlike the rest of 'em, he has a real job to attend to as well.
While it's true that Trump is not spending much dough, he's outworking every other candidate (including the Dems) by a yuge margin. Not even close.
Even the Trump-haters have to admit the guy relentlessly works his ass off. And unlike the rest of 'em, he has a real job to attend to as well.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 09, 2015 02:48 PM (HMt16)
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"Trump is not going to "lose" -- passive voice. Someone will have to actually beat Trump, and no one's going to beat him by simply regurgitating the leftist-enforced Polite Company Conservative line."
Thank you, Ace. We've only been saying this since the summer. If you wanna take out Trump, commandeer his ideas. But the GOP is either scared sh-tless to go anywhere near his proposals or isn't allowed to because they're controlled by special interests, so essentially Trump is left alone on the battlefield with no one else anywhere close to the fight. Not even Ted Cruz.
Thank you, Ace. We've only been saying this since the summer. If you wanna take out Trump, commandeer his ideas. But the GOP is either scared sh-tless to go anywhere near his proposals or isn't allowed to because they're controlled by special interests, so essentially Trump is left alone on the battlefield with no one else anywhere close to the fight. Not even Ted Cruz.
Posted by: Adam_ME at December 09, 2015 02:48 PM (0MqC8)
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At the very least get the AdBlock Plus add-on.You'll wonder how you ever lived without it. I use that and FlashStopper (to stop autoplay shite). That works well enough for me but I'm sure others are going to suggest the NoScript add-on as well.
Posted by: jow at December 09, 2015 02:41 PM (MCOBY)
I have adblock, flashblock, and noscript. I can usually allow a bit of javascript, selectively and get to what I want. Not even blanket allowing javascipt worked for NR. I ended up using IE-32, where IE-64 choked, and they had all kinds of media plugin notices, popovers, java, and the aforementioned 20+ scripts running from different domains. What an absolute mess!
At the very least get the AdBlock Plus add-on.You'll wonder how you ever lived without it. I use that and FlashStopper (to stop autoplay shite). That works well enough for me but I'm sure others are going to suggest the NoScript add-on as well.
Posted by: jow at December 09, 2015 02:41 PM (MCOBY)
I have adblock, flashblock, and noscript. I can usually allow a bit of javascript, selectively and get to what I want. Not even blanket allowing javascipt worked for NR. I ended up using IE-32, where IE-64 choked, and they had all kinds of media plugin notices, popovers, java, and the aforementioned 20+ scripts running from different domains. What an absolute mess!
Posted by: rebel flounder at December 09, 2015 02:49 PM (3dOE/)
Posted by: Feh at December 09, 2015 02:49 PM (RGla5)
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Posted by: Lauren at December 09, 2015 02:37 PM
Actually, Heb!, Christie and Rubio have said essentially the same things about ISIS that Cruz is saying. Others may have, too.
Which one should we believe?
Actually, Heb!, Christie and Rubio have said essentially the same things about ISIS that Cruz is saying. Others may have, too.
Which one should we believe?
Posted by: MrScribbler at December 09, 2015 02:49 PM (ykopX)
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>>It has long seemed to my average mind that would be Jihadists need to come to the understanding that joining ISIS is suicide.
That doesn't seem to be a big deterrent to people who believe that there is no bigger responsibility and joy than dying in jihad against the infidel.
That doesn't seem to be a big deterrent to people who believe that there is no bigger responsibility and joy than dying in jihad against the infidel.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 09, 2015 02:49 PM (/tuJf)
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54 They personify the GOPe in so many little ways it's funny.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 09, 2015 02:44 PM (Xo1Rt)
NRO has been pure RNCe for a long time. I quit going to their site for news links about a year and a half ago.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 09, 2015 02:44 PM (Xo1Rt)
NRO has been pure RNCe for a long time. I quit going to their site for news links about a year and a half ago.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at December 09, 2015 02:49 PM (t2KH5)
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and I'm talking about the Megyn Kelly class of "respectable" middle-class educated Republicans. "
Who voted for whom in the past two Presidential elections?
Let me see...
Who voted for whom in the past two Presidential elections?
Let me see...
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at December 09, 2015 02:49 PM (C9pBZ)
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Trump may not be suited for the Presidency. But he's still far more suited for the Presidency than Obama. Yet, here we are.
Posted by: gm at December 09, 2015 02:50 PM (4ueYo)
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A very apt description on what is happening now, including the Trump phenomenon.
I tend to refer to it as a lack of adult leadership, and that is generally true for almost all factions within the American political framework.
For conservatives, it's more or less Cruz at this point, and if we're honest about it, that's a little weird. The guy is a relative newcomer to the national scene, there's no logical reason why someone with his background should be leading a movement.
On the left, who is running things now? Really. Who is your head of the commie socialist left? Bernie? Fauxchahontas? Come on! Hillery leads the shrill, old, white feminists, I guess, but this is a lady who has been married for decades to a very public serial philanderer.
Who leads the black left? Seriously, who? A bunch of college students at the U. of Missouri, basically.
No adults. So therefore, Trump.
The idiocracy is here.
I tend to refer to it as a lack of adult leadership, and that is generally true for almost all factions within the American political framework.
For conservatives, it's more or less Cruz at this point, and if we're honest about it, that's a little weird. The guy is a relative newcomer to the national scene, there's no logical reason why someone with his background should be leading a movement.
On the left, who is running things now? Really. Who is your head of the commie socialist left? Bernie? Fauxchahontas? Come on! Hillery leads the shrill, old, white feminists, I guess, but this is a lady who has been married for decades to a very public serial philanderer.
Who leads the black left? Seriously, who? A bunch of college students at the U. of Missouri, basically.
No adults. So therefore, Trump.
The idiocracy is here.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2015 02:50 PM (TOk1P)
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Excellent post, Ace!!
So many people here point fingers at "Trump supports", and yet I think most people who defend Trump defend what he is doing - the Trump-smash of debate on various issues - not the man himself. OK, that he makes the right people angry helps, too.
So many people here point fingers at "Trump supports", and yet I think most people who defend Trump defend what he is doing - the Trump-smash of debate on various issues - not the man himself. OK, that he makes the right people angry helps, too.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2015 02:52 PM (NOIQH)
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23 This is what has bugged me for years: the Republicans as the tax collectors for the socialist state. Stopping this is what I have always meant by LiFB. Don't spend political capital to make the insane schemes of the Left almost work. Let them fail and kick the effin board over.
Posted by: Grump928(c)
You beat me to the punch! See comment #72 saying basically the same thing (but I type to much and too slowly). Bravo.
Posted by: Grump928(c)
You beat me to the punch! See comment #72 saying basically the same thing (but I type to much and too slowly). Bravo.
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2015 02:52 PM (jBuUi)
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Cruz isn't the answer. He's the establishment guy who wears a rock t-shirt and jeans.
He's gone along with a lot of basic things that I don't see him changing on immigration, the economic agreement and terrorists.
He does just enough to look like he's not part of the GOPe but his actions tell us he's being given room to do so to draw in support from those who actually ARE not the GOPe.
I don't trust him, I trust him a bit more than Rubio or Jeb but not by much.
It's possible he and Trump have some standing agreement of some sort and that's okay. I'm willing to see what happens but I don't want to have to vote for Cruz. It's just a gut feeling. Now the others, there's no doubt who they're working for and why.
He's gone along with a lot of basic things that I don't see him changing on immigration, the economic agreement and terrorists.
He does just enough to look like he's not part of the GOPe but his actions tell us he's being given room to do so to draw in support from those who actually ARE not the GOPe.
I don't trust him, I trust him a bit more than Rubio or Jeb but not by much.
It's possible he and Trump have some standing agreement of some sort and that's okay. I'm willing to see what happens but I don't want to have to vote for Cruz. It's just a gut feeling. Now the others, there's no doubt who they're working for and why.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 09, 2015 02:52 PM (Xo1Rt)
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People care more about their own self-opinion of themselves than any external political question, and Trump is making it impossible for that breed to support him.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2015 02:38 PM (dciA+)
Yeah, but could anyone ever convince them without throwing flaming grenades? Trump is winning because he is impervious to the media, i.e. he doesn't care about respectable opinion. The flip of the coin is that respectable opinion doesn't shift the window. By definition, it stays inside the window.
If Trump loses a chunk of respectable GOP opinion, does he make up for it in working class, and minority votes? Plus how much is virtue signaling that gets tossed aside in the voting booth?
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2015 02:38 PM (dciA+)
Yeah, but could anyone ever convince them without throwing flaming grenades? Trump is winning because he is impervious to the media, i.e. he doesn't care about respectable opinion. The flip of the coin is that respectable opinion doesn't shift the window. By definition, it stays inside the window.
If Trump loses a chunk of respectable GOP opinion, does he make up for it in working class, and minority votes? Plus how much is virtue signaling that gets tossed aside in the voting booth?
Posted by: WOPR at December 09, 2015 02:53 PM (LTDSy)
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zombie
yup, and that also explains deficit spending
Trump right now is a symptom of political health, not sickness
it's only terrifying to the elites who have sat on their cushy Laffer-funded asses for so long
yup, and that also explains deficit spending
Trump right now is a symptom of political health, not sickness
it's only terrifying to the elites who have sat on their cushy Laffer-funded asses for so long
Posted by: Feh at December 09, 2015 02:53 PM (RGla5)
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Trump's flips are largely because he goes hyperbolic over each incident, speaking broadly, like he is tossing ideas around the boardroom, not stating long held views. But perhaps that smashing the Overton windows is just the demolition phase of his project. But it would be nice if he actually had a scale model of the final project before he did all the demolition.
Still, I have little doubt the CEO Trump would be different in the White House, and a large part of what he would need to deal with would be our debt spiral. He understands that better than any I believe, and understands the inner workings of corrupt entities like the unions and local politics. As someone mentioned, he's the Rodney Dangerfield character from Back to School, Thurmond Mellon or something.
Cruz MIGHT be a better POTUS, though Trump seems capable of reaching the masses better. But I'm not sure Cruz gets enough support from billionaires or even the GOPe, without compromising on some form of amnesty.
Trump speaks extemporaneously, which makes him look goofy on some issues. I keep hoping he'll solidify his positions better, but as with his last gambit on the Muslim pause, he seems to smash all the right PC barriers ... then he can come back to a slightly more nuanced deal. But of course he has 13 months before he would be enacting any policy, so he is still in window smashing mode.
Still, I have little doubt the CEO Trump would be different in the White House, and a large part of what he would need to deal with would be our debt spiral. He understands that better than any I believe, and understands the inner workings of corrupt entities like the unions and local politics. As someone mentioned, he's the Rodney Dangerfield character from Back to School, Thurmond Mellon or something.
Cruz MIGHT be a better POTUS, though Trump seems capable of reaching the masses better. But I'm not sure Cruz gets enough support from billionaires or even the GOPe, without compromising on some form of amnesty.
Trump speaks extemporaneously, which makes him look goofy on some issues. I keep hoping he'll solidify his positions better, but as with his last gambit on the Muslim pause, he seems to smash all the right PC barriers ... then he can come back to a slightly more nuanced deal. But of course he has 13 months before he would be enacting any policy, so he is still in window smashing mode.
Posted by: Illiniwek at December 09, 2015 02:53 PM (26Yu7)
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I said something similar to this to my grad school acquaintances back in September, when they were ridiculing Trump and making predictions on how long it would be before he flamed out. I don't particularly like Trump, and I really don't want to vote for him, but I saw him, then as now, as some kind of tour de force to which the normal rules don't apply, and it's exactly because of what he's been doing.
Posted by: T at December 09, 2015 02:54 PM (AN1+H)
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Trump started off as a shive to the spine of the GOPe.
He has now has now grown to shiv the spine of the entire process.
Trump started off as a shive to the spine of the GOPe.
He has now has now grown to shiv the spine of the entire process.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at December 09, 2015 02:54 PM (uhftQ)
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How is this any different than the Many Faces of Hillary, who simply changes to fit the moment and knows that the Gatekeepers will not trouble her with her previous statements or positions?
How about that guy who said when he got elected that he would stop the seas from rising, that he would fundamentally transform America and then, before his second election, said that Capitalism had failed and he needed a second term to put the Country on a course away from it. Spent twenty years agreeing that White Devils needed to go and the Constitution was deeply flawed. Lets elect another Marxist.
Trump says a lot of shit but I can't imagine any President even Cruz dismantling the 4th regulatory branch of government making us slaves or the massive police state that simply requires a Hillary in control of the NSA and IRS and DoJ.
Trump is the let it burn candidate because it really can't be fixed.
How about that guy who said when he got elected that he would stop the seas from rising, that he would fundamentally transform America and then, before his second election, said that Capitalism had failed and he needed a second term to put the Country on a course away from it. Spent twenty years agreeing that White Devils needed to go and the Constitution was deeply flawed. Lets elect another Marxist.
Trump says a lot of shit but I can't imagine any President even Cruz dismantling the 4th regulatory branch of government making us slaves or the massive police state that simply requires a Hillary in control of the NSA and IRS and DoJ.
Trump is the let it burn candidate because it really can't be fixed.
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at December 09, 2015 02:54 PM (NHtMs)
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>>>NRO has been pure RNCe for a long time. I quit going to their site for news links about a year and a half ago.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at December 09, 2015 02:49 PM (t2KH5)>>>
Same here. Which is why I don't have problems with their pages loading. I only go there on accident (or to read VHD), especially since the yellow bellies shivved Steyn.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at December 09, 2015 02:49 PM (t2KH5)>>>
Same here. Which is why I don't have problems with their pages loading. I only go there on accident (or to read VHD), especially since the yellow bellies shivved Steyn.
Posted by: gm at December 09, 2015 02:54 PM (4ueYo)
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We need to be careful on excoriating Trump for his statements about the muzzies based on anything from the MFM or the RNCe RINOs. Here is a BB article that gives trumps actual statements that I linked this morning and they are not really that outlandish.
BB article on Trump's call, including his entire quote, which is not what most of the MFM is saying about his proposal. Worth a read.
http://bit.ly/1PXWQsD
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at December 09, 2015 02:43 PM (t2KH5)
Not to mention the BB article vindicating Trump's "1000's celebrating 9/11" comment.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/12/02/ trump-100-vindicated-cbs-reports-swarms-on-roofs-celebrating-911/
We need to be careful on excoriating Trump for his statements about the muzzies based on anything from the MFM or the RNCe RINOs. Here is a BB article that gives trumps actual statements that I linked this morning and they are not really that outlandish.
BB article on Trump's call, including his entire quote, which is not what most of the MFM is saying about his proposal. Worth a read.
http://bit.ly/1PXWQsD
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at December 09, 2015 02:43 PM (t2KH5)
Not to mention the BB article vindicating Trump's "1000's celebrating 9/11" comment.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/12/02/ trump-100-vindicated-cbs-reports-swarms-on-roofs-celebrating-911/
Posted by: rebel flounder at December 09, 2015 02:54 PM (3dOE/)
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respectable GOP opinion will vote for Trump before Hillary, I would bet on that
but they won't talk about it beforehand
they fall in line
but they won't talk about it beforehand
they fall in line
Posted by: Feh at December 09, 2015 02:54 PM (RGla5)
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79:"NRO has been pure RNCe for a long time. I quit going to their site for news links about a year and a half ago."
That's about how long it's been since I watched FOX.
About the only "newsy" show I ever watch any more is Stossel.
That's about how long it's been since I watched FOX.
About the only "newsy" show I ever watch any more is Stossel.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 09, 2015 02:54 PM (UPYPp)
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Fabulous article. Mr. French has articulated what I've felt, but been unable to bring forth in any way, shape or form.
Posted by: browndog at December 09, 2015 02:55 PM (ccfl2)
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Ace, the logical part of what is still functioning, post 2008, as my brain tells me no to Trump and yes to a "normal" politician.
The other side of my brain tells me: I want someone who pisses off and, in turn, scares our enemies. I want someone, who is successful and, apparently, chooses smart people around him to give him advice. And then I think, hail, he can't be worse for this country than a limp-wristed community organizer prancisizer. Right?
So, let's look at what the Preznit Pretender does. He surrounds himself with freaking van drivers for advice (can't remember that little goob or what he was in charge of in this nightmare). Or people in his cabinet, mostly based on skin color or if they are lesbian to fill out his affirmative action bracket. Point me to one person who has experience and do not bow to him. He has fired most of the military brass who did not agree with him, you know, those who want to strengthen our great military and protect us. His defense sec guy, finally, today?, agreed with the military that isis is not contained. He will probably be "let go" or "retire" tomorrow.
I have never felt as jittery re: national security as I do now. Not after 9/11 with Bush in charge. Never worried at all during Reagan. Never felt this way during Clinton and his wagging dog. Never had the good sense to feel this way during Carter's weak four years. And was just a tiny innocent redneck during Kennedy's Bay of Pigs that almost blew us to smithereens as we crouched beneath our desks, clutching our canned goods in the event of a nuke attack (my canned good was a large can of Fruit Cocktail. My mother claims it was all she had after the letter went home. I guess it had special anti-radioactive sugars or something).
My point is, as I digress to remembering I wore leotards so the nasty boys could not peer up my petticoats during the nuke drills, I think Trump would probably surround himself with smart people. Why? Because he does not like to lose. He also does not give a crap about political correctness, unlike the current reign who lecture us to be nice to mooslems after they slaughter innocents in Paris and San Bernidino. The mooslems come to this country, hating democracy, but use our pc laws to protect them, hiding in plain site, their hatred of democracy. I am totally fine with stopping the "refugees" pouring into this country and refusing to assimilate. Bite moi. xoxo
Trump speaks before he thinks...like many of us do. He should alter his statement to include mooslems from radical islamic nations we are at war with, or US citizens, like farook, who return after being radicalized. Instead, the pc police jump on the "anti-religion" clause. Which is the guise the radicals, including jihad wife in her damn burka, hide under.
I think his heart is in the right place. Could be wrong. He owes nothing to no one and speaks his mind. In these daze of political correctness, that is courage.
The other side of my brain tells me: I want someone who pisses off and, in turn, scares our enemies. I want someone, who is successful and, apparently, chooses smart people around him to give him advice. And then I think, hail, he can't be worse for this country than a limp-wristed community organizer prancisizer. Right?
So, let's look at what the Preznit Pretender does. He surrounds himself with freaking van drivers for advice (can't remember that little goob or what he was in charge of in this nightmare). Or people in his cabinet, mostly based on skin color or if they are lesbian to fill out his affirmative action bracket. Point me to one person who has experience and do not bow to him. He has fired most of the military brass who did not agree with him, you know, those who want to strengthen our great military and protect us. His defense sec guy, finally, today?, agreed with the military that isis is not contained. He will probably be "let go" or "retire" tomorrow.
I have never felt as jittery re: national security as I do now. Not after 9/11 with Bush in charge. Never worried at all during Reagan. Never felt this way during Clinton and his wagging dog. Never had the good sense to feel this way during Carter's weak four years. And was just a tiny innocent redneck during Kennedy's Bay of Pigs that almost blew us to smithereens as we crouched beneath our desks, clutching our canned goods in the event of a nuke attack (my canned good was a large can of Fruit Cocktail. My mother claims it was all she had after the letter went home. I guess it had special anti-radioactive sugars or something).
My point is, as I digress to remembering I wore leotards so the nasty boys could not peer up my petticoats during the nuke drills, I think Trump would probably surround himself with smart people. Why? Because he does not like to lose. He also does not give a crap about political correctness, unlike the current reign who lecture us to be nice to mooslems after they slaughter innocents in Paris and San Bernidino. The mooslems come to this country, hating democracy, but use our pc laws to protect them, hiding in plain site, their hatred of democracy. I am totally fine with stopping the "refugees" pouring into this country and refusing to assimilate. Bite moi. xoxo
Trump speaks before he thinks...like many of us do. He should alter his statement to include mooslems from radical islamic nations we are at war with, or US citizens, like farook, who return after being radicalized. Instead, the pc police jump on the "anti-religion" clause. Which is the guise the radicals, including jihad wife in her damn burka, hide under.
I think his heart is in the right place. Could be wrong. He owes nothing to no one and speaks his mind. In these daze of political correctness, that is courage.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 09, 2015 02:55 PM (7lqMl)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at December 09, 2015 02:55 PM (oVJmc)
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"Let Putin handle ISIS, what has it got to do with us?" to "Let's bomb the shit out of ISIS"
We could alternate days - carpool bombing.
We could alternate days - carpool bombing.
Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2015 02:55 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Bigby's Green Thumb at December 09, 2015 02:55 PM (3ZtZW)
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>>Trump is setting loose passions -- some useful, some vital, and some demonic and destructive -- and people find it liberating to think freely for once in forever.
I really think that's why he said bar Muslims, not bar citizens of terror-supporting countries. Not PC, and a messy debate, but many have had it up to here (*raises hand to top of head*) with the Islam apologists, particularly Obama and Kerry, and the constant scolding we get for being Islamaphobic.
It had to be said, as it would not have had the same resonance with some, sting for others, if it was not so bluntly stated. But yeah, dangerous as well as liberating based on all the reaction its getting overseas.
I really think that's why he said bar Muslims, not bar citizens of terror-supporting countries. Not PC, and a messy debate, but many have had it up to here (*raises hand to top of head*) with the Islam apologists, particularly Obama and Kerry, and the constant scolding we get for being Islamaphobic.
It had to be said, as it would not have had the same resonance with some, sting for others, if it was not so bluntly stated. But yeah, dangerous as well as liberating based on all the reaction its getting overseas.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2015 02:55 PM (NOIQH)
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Last time an Israeli leader visited the Dome of the Rock an intifada started
Posted by: ThunderB at December 09, 2015 02:55 PM (kwNTG)
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um... kind of. At the same time he's bringing along some people, he is convincing others to vote against him, even for Hillary, and I'm talking about the Megyn Kelly class of "respectable" middle-class educated Republicans.
People care more about their own self-opinion of themselves than any external political question, and Trump is making it impossible for that breed to support him.
Posted by: ace
The Megyn Kellys of this nation take up 75% of TV screen time, but comprise only 1% of ballot-box voters.
The voting power is very minimal, and their (i.e. the MSM's) ability to influence the LIVs is almost now trending lower and lower.
A populist rebellion is what we're seeing.
If Trump farted on a picture of Obama his poll numbers would go up. This is about rebellion, not about cognizant policy positions.
People care more about their own self-opinion of themselves than any external political question, and Trump is making it impossible for that breed to support him.
Posted by: ace
The Megyn Kellys of this nation take up 75% of TV screen time, but comprise only 1% of ballot-box voters.
The voting power is very minimal, and their (i.e. the MSM's) ability to influence the LIVs is almost now trending lower and lower.
A populist rebellion is what we're seeing.
If Trump farted on a picture of Obama his poll numbers would go up. This is about rebellion, not about cognizant policy positions.
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2015 02:56 PM (jBuUi)
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Trump speaks extemporaneously, which makes him look goofy on some issues. I keep hoping he'll solidify his positions better, but as with his last gambit on the Muslim pause,
He also gets sound bit and half quoted. A lot.
He also gets sound bit and half quoted. A lot.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2015 02:56 PM (DKgtk)
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at December 09, 2015 02:56 PM (0NdlF)
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almost now = also now
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2015 02:57 PM (jBuUi)
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11 Cruz in the slipstream ready for the slingshot.
Posted by: redenzo at December 09, 2015 02:35 PM (WCnJW)
Shake n' bake time!
Posted by: redenzo at December 09, 2015 02:35 PM (WCnJW)
Shake n' bake time!
Posted by: Cal Naughton Jr. at December 09, 2015 02:57 PM (MqjGP)
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I have Breaking News app & 15-20 minutes ago Top Story was 100s in Chicago protesting to have The Ballerina resign.
Posted by: Carol at December 09, 2015 02:57 PM (sj3Ax)
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What you propose--beating Trump--sounds like work.
And 99% of those in politics didn't do so to work.
They're there for the power, the money and the graft.
The cold, hard truth--which a lot of conservatives are going to have to accept:
No matter how much you hate Trump, no matter how very unqualified you think he is for office, no matter how dangerous you think he is--a Trump Presidency will STILL be better than the current trajectory we are on.
Which is to say, we are well on track for a future with the current Uniparty that is far, far worse than anything Trump could do.
Trump--and millions of Americans--are the only ones yelling "STOP!!" and the best we're getting from the "opposition" party Republicans is a tepid, "Good sir, might you want to consider perhaps tapping the brakes just a bit?" And that's when their not saying, "Hmmm. This tea is quite fine. I say, we do seem to be moving at a rather fair clip. When do the cookies arrive?"
And 99% of those in politics didn't do so to work.
They're there for the power, the money and the graft.
The cold, hard truth--which a lot of conservatives are going to have to accept:
No matter how much you hate Trump, no matter how very unqualified you think he is for office, no matter how dangerous you think he is--a Trump Presidency will STILL be better than the current trajectory we are on.
Which is to say, we are well on track for a future with the current Uniparty that is far, far worse than anything Trump could do.
Trump--and millions of Americans--are the only ones yelling "STOP!!" and the best we're getting from the "opposition" party Republicans is a tepid, "Good sir, might you want to consider perhaps tapping the brakes just a bit?" And that's when their not saying, "Hmmm. This tea is quite fine. I say, we do seem to be moving at a rather fair clip. When do the cookies arrive?"
Posted by: RoyalOil at December 09, 2015 02:57 PM (fQ/0p)
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ace - "People care more about their own self-opinion of themselves than any external political question, and Trump is making it impossible for that breed to support him."
Which describes the unbridgeable gulf between some of us and others. Our "opinions of ourselves" are not any part of it. Results, facts, right and wrong, intelligent policies are everything.
And insofar as "that breed" is just a group of NPR-listener mentalities with less idiotic policy instincts - "conservatives" who nonetheless are in the grip of policy-illiterate moral narcissism - they are already part of the reason the country is where it is, they're not just unavailable for the Trumpenfuhrer.
ace - "People care more about their own self-opinion of themselves than any external political question, and Trump is making it impossible for that breed to support him."
Which describes the unbridgeable gulf between some of us and others. Our "opinions of ourselves" are not any part of it. Results, facts, right and wrong, intelligent policies are everything.
And insofar as "that breed" is just a group of NPR-listener mentalities with less idiotic policy instincts - "conservatives" who nonetheless are in the grip of policy-illiterate moral narcissism - they are already part of the reason the country is where it is, they're not just unavailable for the Trumpenfuhrer.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2015 02:57 PM (QDnY+)
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"People keep talking about "When he loses." Listen to me: He is not going to lose. Not on the current trajectory, he won't."
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A little perspective though,
Trump is getting about 25-30% of Republican voters. While that's technically "1st place" that hardly means it's dominant. You could find 2 RINO candidates and add their support together and get that number, yet nobody is coming to that conclusion that the other candidates need to morph into that in order to win.
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A little perspective though,
Trump is getting about 25-30% of Republican voters. While that's technically "1st place" that hardly means it's dominant. You could find 2 RINO candidates and add their support together and get that number, yet nobody is coming to that conclusion that the other candidates need to morph into that in order to win.
Posted by: Coolio at December 09, 2015 02:59 PM (QnRLU)
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I think the thing about Trump that really scares the Left is that he won't roll over submissively like the GOP does when the Left calls them names.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at December 09, 2015 02:59 PM (oVJmc)
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103:"If Trump farted on a picture of Obama his poll numbers would go up. This is about rebellion, not about cognizant policy positions."
FOOD FIGHT!!!
FOOD FIGHT!!!
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 09, 2015 02:59 PM (UPYPp)
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43 "Trump is making it impossible for that breed to support him. "
Yes, but he is making it possible for them to support Cruz.
Trump: I'm going to ban all the muslims!
Cruz: Hey, let's pause all immigration from countries with ISIS presence for a few years.
Before Trump Cruz (and Paul...it's really his idea) were the ZOMG crazy people. Now they're the sane alternative.
Posted by: Lauren
Bullseye! (Raises foam finger and screams.)
Yes, but he is making it possible for them to support Cruz.
Trump: I'm going to ban all the muslims!
Cruz: Hey, let's pause all immigration from countries with ISIS presence for a few years.
Before Trump Cruz (and Paul...it's really his idea) were the ZOMG crazy people. Now they're the sane alternative.
Posted by: Lauren
Bullseye! (Raises foam finger and screams.)
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2015 02:59 PM (jBuUi)
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Trump 2016.
Posted by: Dan Stevens at December 09, 2015 03:00 PM (Bcqod)
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Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 09, 2015 02:55 PM (7lqMl)
Tommy Vietor - van driver to National Security Council spokesman.
Tommy Vietor - van driver to National Security Council spokesman.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at December 09, 2015 03:00 PM (fWAjv)
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The shattering of the window reflects the shattering of the American consensus
Shark.... Jump....
there never was a consensus, except amongst the Washington Elite, and the Media...
Out here in flyover country we never agreed with their crap, but no one who had the Nads to say anything was given any attention by the Press...
Trump is too big to ignore... they can't silence him because of both his Fame, AND his Money...
Shark.... Jump....
there never was a consensus, except amongst the Washington Elite, and the Media...
Out here in flyover country we never agreed with their crap, but no one who had the Nads to say anything was given any attention by the Press...
Trump is too big to ignore... they can't silence him because of both his Fame, AND his Money...
Posted by: Farook Gump... at December 09, 2015 03:00 PM (qh617)
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Yeah, he pushed Overton's Window so far to the right that he ran over and killed my cat.
Or not.
Or not.
Posted by: Schrodinger at December 09, 2015 03:01 PM (NeFrd)
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>>>The Megyn Kellys of this nation take up 75% of TV screen time, but comprise only 1% of ballot-box voters.
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2015 02:56 PM (jBuUi)>>>
Not to mention that they pushed people like Romney and McCain and then voted Obama anyway.
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2015 02:56 PM (jBuUi)>>>
Not to mention that they pushed people like Romney and McCain and then voted Obama anyway.
Posted by: gm at December 09, 2015 03:01 PM (4ueYo)
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with Trump leading the more... uneasy I get about it.
I'm not really worried about how much the hair can really move Leviathan. Nobody is going to let him pop a nuke no matter how yugely cool.
I'm not really worried about how much the hair can really move Leviathan. Nobody is going to let him pop a nuke no matter how yugely cool.
Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2015 03:01 PM (DL2i+)
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"2 Any tips for using Firefox for NR's site?"
None. Sorry. The site is awful. Twitchy is almost as bad. That being said, I use Chrome now and it does work better.
None. Sorry. The site is awful. Twitchy is almost as bad. That being said, I use Chrome now and it does work better.
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 09, 2015 03:01 PM (OD2ni)
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"I have never felt as jittery re: national security as I do now"
It's like walking into a nuclear facility, with all the equipment on, lights blinking on and off, -- and no one's in the room. They don't like "nukes," so they just left.
Put another way: I don't think Obama is actually flying the plane.
It's like walking into a nuclear facility, with all the equipment on, lights blinking on and off, -- and no one's in the room. They don't like "nukes," so they just left.
Put another way: I don't think Obama is actually flying the plane.
Posted by: Feh at December 09, 2015 03:01 PM (RGla5)
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>>>> I would once again suggest to any that haven't read it to read Plat's Republic book 8 (I think). He goes through the 4 stages of governance and gives reasons why societies give up on one and move on to the next.
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I need to reread that. Thanks for reminding me
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I need to reread that. Thanks for reminding me
Posted by: L, Elle at December 09, 2015 03:01 PM (2x3L+)
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Install Privacy Badger from EFF and it will block a lot of those scripts on National Review (the one that track you). I can see the site fine using Privacy Badger.
https://www.eff.org/privacybadger
https://www.eff.org/privacybadger
Posted by: Midnight Green at December 09, 2015 03:01 PM (h8PtN)
Posted by: wth - Czar Bomba at December 09, 2015 03:01 PM (HgMAr)
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He also gets sound bit and half quoted. A lot.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2015 02:56 PM
Lately, it seems that many Trump-haters aren't even bothering to "half-quote." They're simply making shit up.
The strength of the left/GOPe attacks on him is largely based on using him as a whiteboard on which they can write anything and, when caught at it, say "hey, he could have said it."
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2015 02:56 PM
Lately, it seems that many Trump-haters aren't even bothering to "half-quote." They're simply making shit up.
The strength of the left/GOPe attacks on him is largely based on using him as a whiteboard on which they can write anything and, when caught at it, say "hey, he could have said it."
Posted by: MrScribbler at December 09, 2015 03:01 PM (ykopX)
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why is trump unsuited to be president? he has managed a big business, made a lot of high stakes decisions. he is also a wordly man, lives in the world's capital that the rest of the world dreams about, and not some provincial governor or senator that is going to be awed by luxuries and celebrities and whose wife will be thrilled to finally see paris.
all evidence from people working for trump suggests that he is thoughtful, flexible, not to mention generous and kind. this is a man who has employed thousands and there has been virtually no bad stories about him as an employer. no, he hasn't thought everything through, but nobody has and there is no reason to . it's just that the rest of them have prepared talking points so that they can appear ready, while trump is basically thinking aloud, freely and intelligently. he just seems to be a pretty great guy.
all evidence from people working for trump suggests that he is thoughtful, flexible, not to mention generous and kind. this is a man who has employed thousands and there has been virtually no bad stories about him as an employer. no, he hasn't thought everything through, but nobody has and there is no reason to . it's just that the rest of them have prepared talking points so that they can appear ready, while trump is basically thinking aloud, freely and intelligently. he just seems to be a pretty great guy.
Posted by: hot phd at December 09, 2015 03:01 PM (IXF0t)
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But back to you point: Even in the 1980s, the eft
had so influenced the "Overton Window" that the debate was about how we
can maximize government revenue -- a leftist concept to begin with. Why
was Reagan even trying to increase government, if he ran on a small
government platform? Because the leftist Overton Window had already
backed him into a corner: The left's agenda was to endlessly grow
government, and all Reagan could do within this framewoork was to
implement the Laffer Curve tax rates so he could at least increase
government in ways pleasing to Republicans (i.e. more for
defense, farming, etc.). Even Reagan couldn't bust the Overton Window
and say, "Why are we even trying to increase government revenue? We
should be DECREASING government revenue! Fuck Laffer and his damned
curve!"
The Left has been pushing that window for a long, long time.
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2015 02:48 PM (jBuUi)
Very good example. Another one that is working very well today (meaning it's bad) is the funding education nonsense. We're reduced on a local level to arguing about how we're going to fund all those wonderful programs our schools provide, and do so within a "reasonable" tax framework, instead of asking why the government runs school in the first place.
had so influenced the "Overton Window" that the debate was about how we
can maximize government revenue -- a leftist concept to begin with. Why
was Reagan even trying to increase government, if he ran on a small
government platform? Because the leftist Overton Window had already
backed him into a corner: The left's agenda was to endlessly grow
government, and all Reagan could do within this framewoork was to
implement the Laffer Curve tax rates so he could at least increase
government in ways pleasing to Republicans (i.e. more for
defense, farming, etc.). Even Reagan couldn't bust the Overton Window
and say, "Why are we even trying to increase government revenue? We
should be DECREASING government revenue! Fuck Laffer and his damned
curve!"
The Left has been pushing that window for a long, long time.
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2015 02:48 PM (jBuUi)
Very good example. Another one that is working very well today (meaning it's bad) is the funding education nonsense. We're reduced on a local level to arguing about how we're going to fund all those wonderful programs our schools provide, and do so within a "reasonable" tax framework, instead of asking why the government runs school in the first place.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2015 03:02 PM (TOk1P)
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Trump is getting about 25-30% of Republican voters.
Of the people pollsters CAN contact. I'm now 53 and I HAVE NEVER been contacted.
Of the people pollsters CAN contact. I'm now 53 and I HAVE NEVER been contacted.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2015 03:02 PM (DKgtk)
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This is a beautiful sentence and observation:
"But he is useful for plowing through the colossal, coralled-over
shipwrecks and dead hulks of leftist thought that clog the trade-routes
of political expression and debate."
"But he is useful for plowing through the colossal, coralled-over
shipwrecks and dead hulks of leftist thought that clog the trade-routes
of political expression and debate."
Posted by: Lurker primus at December 09, 2015 03:03 PM (RYQAM)
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Trump will stand on a debate stage with Hillary Clinton and tell her to her face that she should be in prison.
No one else will.
No one else will.
Posted by: grognard at December 09, 2015 03:03 PM (84WkV)
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"Not to mention that they pushed people like Romney and McCain and then voted Obama anyway."
Tee-hee!
Tee-hee!
Posted by: Nichole Wallace at December 09, 2015 03:03 PM (OD2ni)
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ace, the whole concept of "unsuited for the presidency" is now moot, or at least in need of redefinition.
The current president is as unsuited for the position as anyone could be. Always was, obviously so, from the outset.
Trump is simply a symptom of the failure of the political class, just as Obama is simply a symptom of the general degradation of the country and the erosion of the civic culture.
ace, the whole concept of "unsuited for the presidency" is now moot, or at least in need of redefinition.
The current president is as unsuited for the position as anyone could be. Always was, obviously so, from the outset.
Trump is simply a symptom of the failure of the political class, just as Obama is simply a symptom of the general degradation of the country and the erosion of the civic culture.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2015 03:03 PM (QDnY+)
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I like Ghostery add on & it's free for iPad, iPhone & all browsers.
It's an all for iPad, free. I've had it since 2008, at the very least.
It's an all for iPad, free. I've had it since 2008, at the very least.
Posted by: Carol at December 09, 2015 03:03 PM (sj3Ax)
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Something is really wrong with how the site is loading.
Posted by: Danube River Guide at December 09, 2015 03:04 PM (mcm0N)
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Trump isn't emasculated. A man who isn't emasculated appeals to both men and women.
Posted by: grammie winger, Isaiah 9:6 at December 09, 2015 03:04 PM (dFi94)
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Test.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at December 09, 2015 03:05 PM (vgIRn)
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Grammie Winger and the Zinger of Truth
Posted by: Feh at December 09, 2015 03:05 PM (RGla5)
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136:"Trump isn't emasculated. A man who isn't emasculated appeals to both men and women. "
I nominate this for threadwinner.
I nominate this for threadwinner.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 09, 2015 03:05 PM (UPYPp)
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JackStraw, Just FYI, the Bing cover photo for today is the Newport Bridge with a reference to Jamestown/Conanicut Island.
Posted by: JTB at December 09, 2015 03:06 PM (FvdPb)
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Some of the vid coming out of Chicago is really nice. Peaceful for now.
Posted by: redenzo at December 09, 2015 03:06 PM (WCnJW)
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"Here's the thing. Trump can say this and Trump can do this because Trump has nothing to lose. Only someone with fuck you money can tell Our Betters fuck you and have them listen."
My velociraptor insurance is paid up in full, so I am going to take the rare risk of slightly demurring from Her Imperial Malevolence, and note that simply having fuck-you money is not enough. An empirically demonstrated rule.
Consider 2008. The only person in the race with an effectively infinite personal stash of fuck-you money was Old Man Yells At Clouds. He had nothing to lose. But despite having that comfortable fallback available, he never openly challenged the veracity and professionalism of the news media. And he never (despite his self-proclaimed maverickiness) assaulted any of the reigning policy pieties of the Acela Corridor.
So it takes fuck-you money _plus an indefinable something else_ that McCain lacked. Whatever that something else is, Trump has it.
My velociraptor insurance is paid up in full, so I am going to take the rare risk of slightly demurring from Her Imperial Malevolence, and note that simply having fuck-you money is not enough. An empirically demonstrated rule.
Consider 2008. The only person in the race with an effectively infinite personal stash of fuck-you money was Old Man Yells At Clouds. He had nothing to lose. But despite having that comfortable fallback available, he never openly challenged the veracity and professionalism of the news media. And he never (despite his self-proclaimed maverickiness) assaulted any of the reigning policy pieties of the Acela Corridor.
So it takes fuck-you money _plus an indefinable something else_ that McCain lacked. Whatever that something else is, Trump has it.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 09, 2015 03:06 PM (noWW6)
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With all the rhetoric coming out of Obama's White House, I would be worried about tracking cookies from the blogs I read, and National Review is the worst one.
I'm not sure I want to be on the no fly list because of the blogs I read.
I'm not sure I want to be on the no fly list because of the blogs I read.
Posted by: Thad Buffet at December 09, 2015 03:06 PM (Nh58q)
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"functional balls"
Posted by: Feh at December 09, 2015 03:07 PM (RGla5)
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>>>> Trump is visiting the Dome of the Rock
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Srsly? TBOTG.
I take it back, Trump isn't the LIB candidate. He's SMOD.
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Srsly? TBOTG.
I take it back, Trump isn't the LIB candidate. He's SMOD.
Posted by: L, Elle at December 09, 2015 03:07 PM (2x3L+)
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Of the people pollsters CAN contact. I'm now 53 and I HAVE NEVER been contacted.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2015 03:02 PM
I was contacted in 2012 by a "Republican" pollster. Surprising, because I was -- and still am -- registered in MA as "unenrolled."
Said pollster started feeding me questions which led me to believe I should express my support for Mutt Romney. I then told him I would be marking my ballot for Vermin Supreme.
He hung up before I could convince him of the merits of Free Ponies For All.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2015 03:02 PM
I was contacted in 2012 by a "Republican" pollster. Surprising, because I was -- and still am -- registered in MA as "unenrolled."
Said pollster started feeding me questions which led me to believe I should express my support for Mutt Romney. I then told him I would be marking my ballot for Vermin Supreme.
He hung up before I could convince him of the merits of Free Ponies For All.
Posted by: MrScribbler at December 09, 2015 03:07 PM (ykopX)
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This is really for thread below but loading is too slow. Reuters says they have seen the marriage documents establishing that Marquez married a sister of the wife of the shooters brother. It could not be establish that they lived together now or ever did,
One thing popped out in the story -Farook's navy brother married his russian wife, tatiana, whether by coincidence or plan, on the eve of the tenth anniversary of 9/11. The ceremony took place Sept. 10, 2011, and their first day of married life would be the more memorable anniversary for the the rest of us.
One thing popped out in the story -Farook's navy brother married his russian wife, tatiana, whether by coincidence or plan, on the eve of the tenth anniversary of 9/11. The ceremony took place Sept. 10, 2011, and their first day of married life would be the more memorable anniversary for the the rest of us.
Posted by: Perfectly serious at December 09, 2015 03:07 PM (3fTXW)
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133
ace, the whole concept of "unsuited for the presidency" is now moot, or at least in need of redefinition.
The current president is as unsuited for the position as anyone could be. Always was, obviously so, from the outset.
*********
Just because the Liberals did it--doesn't make it optimal.
Plus I doubt Trump can actually win the Presidency.
ace, the whole concept of "unsuited for the presidency" is now moot, or at least in need of redefinition.
The current president is as unsuited for the position as anyone could be. Always was, obviously so, from the outset.
*********
Just because the Liberals did it--doesn't make it optimal.
Plus I doubt Trump can actually win the Presidency.
Posted by: Danube River Guide at December 09, 2015 03:07 PM (mcm0N)
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Lets make the pig our national animal, and require all prospective immigrants to put lipstick on one and smooch it before they enter the country. Just an idea.
Posted by: MTF at December 09, 2015 03:07 PM (TxJGV)
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hey ace, how about a post from some smart IT person on how to surf the web anonymously untrackably etc
Posted by: Feh at December 09, 2015 03:08 PM (RGla5)
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"Let Putin handle ISIS, what has it got to do with us?" to "Let's bomb the shit out of ISIS"
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For the record I don't see that as changing his mind, all along he's being saying 'lets bombs the shit out of them', that he doesn't mind that Putin may want to do the same isn't a changing of mind.
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For the record I don't see that as changing his mind, all along he's being saying 'lets bombs the shit out of them', that he doesn't mind that Putin may want to do the same isn't a changing of mind.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 09, 2015 03:08 PM (MbrzC)
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Unsuited for the presidency, as opposed to Hillary, or Jeb? Please. The aversion I see seems to stem from his person, rather than any real way he's actually worse than the others.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 09, 2015 03:09 PM (vbrvD)
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Sock off
Posted by: sarahw at December 09, 2015 03:09 PM (3fTXW)
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The Overton Window has never been a real thing. It is just an excuse for the cowards of the GOPe for why they go along with their democrat comrades and damn near everything.
Posted by: Methos at December 09, 2015 03:09 PM (ZbV+0)
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You cant stump the trump.
what i find adorable is all these condescending proclamations, the virtue and status signalling if you will, from people far less accomplished than trump. like he needs the approval of a bunch of whiny bloggers who offends theire precious sensibilities. if national review spent less time being salon lite and defending pedophiles like the worthless cucks they are, they might actually win some fights against the progressive cancer we all live with. but their too busy trying to impress progs and prove their not racist. hows that working out?
even you ace, with youre pretentious preeening about how trump just isnt presidential and borish, is engaging in the same bullshit status signalling people find so repugnant from contemporary journolists. and when guys like rick wilson, a typical doughy uber cuck if there ever was one, employs the same tactics against the republican front runner and the base as a common sjw lunatic, thats when you know this isnt about politics for them. this is about maintaining their illusion of power over a populace who utterly hates them.
trump revels in their impotence and it infuriates them. how dare he presume to know better than them? cry more
what i find adorable is all these condescending proclamations, the virtue and status signalling if you will, from people far less accomplished than trump. like he needs the approval of a bunch of whiny bloggers who offends theire precious sensibilities. if national review spent less time being salon lite and defending pedophiles like the worthless cucks they are, they might actually win some fights against the progressive cancer we all live with. but their too busy trying to impress progs and prove their not racist. hows that working out?
even you ace, with youre pretentious preeening about how trump just isnt presidential and borish, is engaging in the same bullshit status signalling people find so repugnant from contemporary journolists. and when guys like rick wilson, a typical doughy uber cuck if there ever was one, employs the same tactics against the republican front runner and the base as a common sjw lunatic, thats when you know this isnt about politics for them. this is about maintaining their illusion of power over a populace who utterly hates them.
trump revels in their impotence and it infuriates them. how dare he presume to know better than them? cry more
Posted by: clammy sammy at December 09, 2015 03:09 PM (XyGLO)
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If President Trump is 80% businessman Trump and the rest is a mixture of what we commonly see, he will do fine as POTUS.
Posted by: eman at December 09, 2015 03:09 PM (mR7Es)
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>>JackStraw, Just FYI, the Bing cover photo for today is the Newport Bridge with a reference to Jamestown/Conanicut Island.
That's great! Thanks for letting me know.
That lighthouse is at the tip of Goat Island. I keep my boat at a marina there but it's real claim to fame is that during WWII it was a munitions plant and claims to be the spot where the torpedo was invented.
Jamestown is the island in the background.
That's great! Thanks for letting me know.
That lighthouse is at the tip of Goat Island. I keep my boat at a marina there but it's real claim to fame is that during WWII it was a munitions plant and claims to be the spot where the torpedo was invented.
Jamestown is the island in the background.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 09, 2015 03:09 PM (/tuJf)
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Dammit ace, get the hell out of my head.
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at December 09, 2015 03:09 PM (RD7QR)
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Cheez louise are the comments loading slowly on an ipad. Is something amiss with Pixy or is that just the way it is?
Posted by: sarahw at December 09, 2015 03:10 PM (3fTXW)
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"Trump isn't emasculated. A man who isn't emasculated appeals to both men and women. "
I nominate this for threadwinner.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 09, 2015 03:05 PM
Yup...Grammie hit that one over the Right Field bleachers!
I nominate this for threadwinner.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 09, 2015 03:05 PM
Yup...Grammie hit that one over the Right Field bleachers!
Posted by: MrScribbler at December 09, 2015 03:10 PM (ykopX)
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22 Drudge's site at this point has to be considered "retro-cool. "
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 09, 2015 02:37 PM (HMt16)
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I love the fact that Drudge hasn't much changed anything since the start... I don't need web 2.0 bloat just to get the latest interesting headlines, all I need is exactly what he provides.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 09, 2015 02:37 PM (HMt16)
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I love the fact that Drudge hasn't much changed anything since the start... I don't need web 2.0 bloat just to get the latest interesting headlines, all I need is exactly what he provides.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 09, 2015 03:10 PM (MbrzC)
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That Scott Adams blog - it doesn't use Overton Window, but does say that it is part of the "Master Persuader" theory which functionally is the same thing as the Overton Window.
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/134791529391/risk-management-trump-persuasion-series
He also makes a point about this. No one on the political stage today other than Trump has proposed ANYTHING (other than gun control, which Adams discounts) to counter Paris and San Bernardino. No one.
So he has an exclusive on positioning.
If you read this and follow it, then the way to neutralize this would be for another candidate to offer a solution that a) sounds like it could work and 2) won't be jumped on as racist etc by everyone else in the world.
It would seem doable.
Cruz is smart. So is Rubio. Either one could propose something like a pause on all immigration and visitation from the following countries:
Indonesia
Pakistan
Bangladesh
Iran
Turkey
Egypt
Algeria
Morocco
Iraq
Sudan
Afghanistan
Uzbekistan
Saudi Arabia
Yemen
Syria
Malaysia
And remove the visa waiver for people who originate in those countries but are coming from a visa waiver country like, say, France. With the exception of the religiously oppressed from those countries - which would allow Christians from those countries to enter the US.
All perfectly legal and Constitutional.
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/134791529391/risk-management-trump-persuasion-series
He also makes a point about this. No one on the political stage today other than Trump has proposed ANYTHING (other than gun control, which Adams discounts) to counter Paris and San Bernardino. No one.
So he has an exclusive on positioning.
If you read this and follow it, then the way to neutralize this would be for another candidate to offer a solution that a) sounds like it could work and 2) won't be jumped on as racist etc by everyone else in the world.
It would seem doable.
Cruz is smart. So is Rubio. Either one could propose something like a pause on all immigration and visitation from the following countries:
Indonesia
Pakistan
Bangladesh
Iran
Turkey
Egypt
Algeria
Morocco
Iraq
Sudan
Afghanistan
Uzbekistan
Saudi Arabia
Yemen
Syria
Malaysia
And remove the visa waiver for people who originate in those countries but are coming from a visa waiver country like, say, France. With the exception of the religiously oppressed from those countries - which would allow Christians from those countries to enter the US.
All perfectly legal and Constitutional.
Posted by: blaster at December 09, 2015 03:10 PM (2Ocf1)
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Trumpety Trump Trump
Trumpety Trump Trump,
Look at Donald go
Trumpety Trump Trump
Trumpety Trump Trump
Over the Overton Window!
Trumpety Trump Trump,
Look at Donald go
Trumpety Trump Trump
Trumpety Trump Trump
Over the Overton Window!
Posted by: LizLem at December 09, 2015 03:11 PM (hvf9s)
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at December 09, 2015 03:11 PM (BZAd3)
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159 Cheez louise are the comments loading slowly on an ipad. Is something amiss with Pixy or is that just the way it is?
Posted by: sarahw at December 09, 2015 03:10 PM (3fTXW)
I've been having issues on and off with the hq loading in a normal amount of time today, too.
Posted by: sarahw at December 09, 2015 03:10 PM (3fTXW)
I've been having issues on and off with the hq loading in a normal amount of time today, too.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 09, 2015 03:11 PM (AkOaV)
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Speaking of Firefox, they have new add on for Mac users called Focus. It's not strictly an ad blocker, though.
Posted by: Carol at December 09, 2015 03:11 PM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 09, 2015 03:11 PM (HSmrB)
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If Trump farted on a picture of Obama his poll numbers would go up. This is about rebellion, not about cognizant policy positions.
Posted by: zombie
_________________
This. It is a road test of rebellion without resort to splodey things.
Can normal people wrest the levers of government from the freaks without breaking things, or is it too late? I think Trump supporters and Trump sympathizers, whether actual supporters or those in the LIB entertainment-value camp, sense this.
Posted by: zombie
_________________
This. It is a road test of rebellion without resort to splodey things.
Can normal people wrest the levers of government from the freaks without breaking things, or is it too late? I think Trump supporters and Trump sympathizers, whether actual supporters or those in the LIB entertainment-value camp, sense this.
Posted by: Furious George at December 09, 2015 03:12 PM (3GAnN)
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Why the assumption that Trump doesn't have the right temperament to be President? I expect he's in his negotiating mode right now. Craziest guy in the room often wins the best deal. If he were truly crazy, he wouldn't have succeeded in business the way he has. If he were a stock, you'd say he has High Alpha -- lots of upside, lots of downside.
Who else do we have? Much as I like him, do you really think Cruz can cut a deal on anything with anybody? He's a cat person appellate litigator with an Evangelical topping. Most of the Senate Republicans viscerally hate him already and they're the ones who should be on his side. If he were a stock I'd say Special Situation Private Investment Only -- Not for the IPO market.
Who else do we have? Much as I like him, do you really think Cruz can cut a deal on anything with anybody? He's a cat person appellate litigator with an Evangelical topping. Most of the Senate Republicans viscerally hate him already and they're the ones who should be on his side. If he were a stock I'd say Special Situation Private Investment Only -- Not for the IPO market.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 09, 2015 03:12 PM (r1fLd)
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David French is spot-on, as usual.
There are so many writers at National Review that I love -- but David French has become my #1 favorite. I read anything and everything this guy writes.
David French is spot-on, as usual.
There are so many writers at National Review that I love -- but David French has become my #1 favorite. I read anything and everything this guy writes.
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at December 09, 2015 03:12 PM (A/Q7Y)
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It is interesting to note that one effect of this leftist-mediated "discourse" is that conservatives generally only argue in a single (permitted) mode: We can argue that our proposals achieve the priorities of the leftist socialist state better than the proposals of the left can achieve them.
Remember the Laffer Curve? The entire underpinning of the argument for lowering taxes was a model that pointed out how tax revenue would INCREASE.
And how was that EVER a conservative position?
Remember the Laffer Curve? The entire underpinning of the argument for lowering taxes was a model that pointed out how tax revenue would INCREASE.
And how was that EVER a conservative position?
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at December 09, 2015 03:13 PM (eytER)
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I was contacted in 2012 by a "Republican" pollster. Surprising, because I was -- and still am -- registered in MA as "unenrolled."
I'm registered as an "R". Have been since I was 18.
Have lived at my current address since January of '91.
I'm registered as an "R". Have been since I was 18.
Have lived at my current address since January of '91.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2015 03:13 PM (DKgtk)
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I have adblock, flashblock, and noscript. I can usually allow a bit of javascript, selectively and get to what I want. Not even blanket allowing javascipt worked for NR. I ended up using IE-32, where IE-64 choked, and they had all kinds of media plugin notices, popovers, java, and the aforementioned 20+ scripts running from different domains. What an absolute mess!
Posted by: rebel flounder at December 09, 2015 02:49 PM (3dOE/)
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Very similar to my setup. In the past, I used IE tab to open stuff that seriously choked with firefox (or now, pale moon), but since IE is so awful, I have an intermediary step I go to first: the Open in Chrome plugin. Of course, you have to have chrome installed on your computer. The plugin will not launch chrome in a tab like IE tab does, instead it just starts chrome and loads the link. Not a perfect solution, but it is better than IE and it does work for NRO. I also have the adblocker plugin installed on chrome and the site still works. NoScript is not available for chrome, though.
http://tinyurl.com/hmlrp3z
Posted by: rebel flounder at December 09, 2015 02:49 PM (3dOE/)
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Very similar to my setup. In the past, I used IE tab to open stuff that seriously choked with firefox (or now, pale moon), but since IE is so awful, I have an intermediary step I go to first: the Open in Chrome plugin. Of course, you have to have chrome installed on your computer. The plugin will not launch chrome in a tab like IE tab does, instead it just starts chrome and loads the link. Not a perfect solution, but it is better than IE and it does work for NRO. I also have the adblocker plugin installed on chrome and the site still works. NoScript is not available for chrome, though.
http://tinyurl.com/hmlrp3z
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at December 09, 2015 03:13 PM (IN7k+)
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Daily Mail
Donald Trump is stripped of honorary degree from Robert Gordon University http://dailym.ai/1ORoQNd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VwzuzhWv3A
Daily Mail
Donald Trump is stripped of honorary degree from Robert Gordon University http://dailym.ai/1ORoQNd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VwzuzhWv3A
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 09, 2015 03:13 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2015 03:13 PM (ODxAs)
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Trump-curiousness factors:
1. "I don't care" to gullible sissies +3pts
2. Muz ban, +3pts
3. Jeff Sessions lead on immigration +5pts
4. cognizance of need for better US negotiations +1pt
5. possibly insane -1pt
6. possible Hillary mole -1pt
7. destroyed Jeb/Rubio's pre-ordained ascendancy +2pts
8. might lose general zero pts (since it's also been preordained that our preordained candidates must lose)
9. Wharton MBA +1
10. The hair +1
11. Ivanka +1
12. Classiness of golf resorts +1
13. The I'm too smart for supporting trump tax -5 pts.
So, I see current trump-curiousness being pretty high.
1. "I don't care" to gullible sissies +3pts
2. Muz ban, +3pts
3. Jeff Sessions lead on immigration +5pts
4. cognizance of need for better US negotiations +1pt
5. possibly insane -1pt
6. possible Hillary mole -1pt
7. destroyed Jeb/Rubio's pre-ordained ascendancy +2pts
8. might lose general zero pts (since it's also been preordained that our preordained candidates must lose)
9. Wharton MBA +1
10. The hair +1
11. Ivanka +1
12. Classiness of golf resorts +1
13. The I'm too smart for supporting trump tax -5 pts.
So, I see current trump-curiousness being pretty high.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 09, 2015 03:13 PM (P+ME4)
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Remember the Laffer Curve? The entire underpinning of the argument for lowering taxes was a model that pointed out how tax revenue would INCREASE.
And how was that EVER a conservative position?
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks
See comment #72 !!!
And how was that EVER a conservative position?
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks
See comment #72 !!!
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2015 03:14 PM (jBuUi)
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so Trump at the Dome of the Rock, ain't that a kick in the head
"I'll tell you something, these people knew how to decorate. This is fabulous. I mean, look at that. Ahmed, I bet that's gold. Is it gold? I thought so."
"I'll tell you something, these people knew how to decorate. This is fabulous. I mean, look at that. Ahmed, I bet that's gold. Is it gold? I thought so."
Posted by: Feh at December 09, 2015 03:14 PM (RGla5)
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168: "Can normal people wrest the levers of government from the freaks without breaking things, or is it too late? I think Trump supporters and Trump sympathizers, whether actual supporters or those in the LIB entertainment-value camp, sense this."
Would this be correlation or causation with regard to increased firearm and ammunition sales.
Would this be correlation or causation with regard to increased firearm and ammunition sales.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 09, 2015 03:14 PM (UPYPp)
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The new hit movie Bravetrump
Nobel: This Trump. . . he doesn't even have a real party. But he fights, with passion, and he inspires.
RNCe afflicted with leprous sores and a RINO: And you wish to charge off and fight as he did, eh?
Noble: Yes
RINO RNC: It is time. . . for the party hierarchy to survive. You're the seventeenth supporter this year of the CoC. The
sixteen before you passed you the party because they didn't
charge in. Call a meeting of the leadership.
Nobel: This Trump. . . he doesn't even have a real party. But he fights, with passion, and he inspires.
RNCe afflicted with leprous sores and a RINO: And you wish to charge off and fight as he did, eh?
Noble: Yes
RINO RNC: It is time. . . for the party hierarchy to survive. You're the seventeenth supporter this year of the CoC. The
sixteen before you passed you the party because they didn't
charge in. Call a meeting of the leadership.
Posted by: Nobel Trump Supporter at December 09, 2015 03:14 PM (t2KH5)
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Posted by: Lauren at December 09, 2015 02:41 PM (Kqit+)
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All 3 have it wrong. Stop basically all immigration period, clear the current queue and then let's wait for 10 or 30 years.
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All 3 have it wrong. Stop basically all immigration period, clear the current queue and then let's wait for 10 or 30 years.
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Is the National Review's new business model
It's why I gave it up. Also why I don't visit Yidwithalid.
They shit all over readability, just to squeeze a couple more drops of ad revenue. And when you are lucky enough to see some text, it jumps all over he place as images and scripts load and close.
It's why I gave it up. Also why I don't visit Yidwithalid.
They shit all over readability, just to squeeze a couple more drops of ad revenue. And when you are lucky enough to see some text, it jumps all over he place as images and scripts load and close.
Posted by: wooga at December 09, 2015 03:15 PM (wWf+d)
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Does anyone know if Trump micromanages his business, or does he put good people in charge of certain areas and let them have at it? I guess what I want to know is, would he think he is the smartest guy in the room ( like Obama), or is he comfortable with delegating authority and taking other people's honest assessments of a situation?
Posted by: grammie winger, Isaiah 9:6 at December 09, 2015 03:15 PM (dFi94)
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Danube, didn't say it was optimal. And it's not just "the Liberals" who have made this last seven years such a disaster, not by a long stretch. As you of course know.
And also not just the elected GOP. The institutional guard-rails (SCOTUS, etc.) have essentially collapsed as well. Alternative centers of power and pluralismhave become collaborators and enablers (rent-seeking corporations switching from opposing unsustainable idiocy to getting their share of $$$ for the short run).
In any case it's down to Cruz or Rubio if the Trumpenfuhrer stumbles. Only one of whom is even plausible as a serious president for these times.
Danube, didn't say it was optimal. And it's not just "the Liberals" who have made this last seven years such a disaster, not by a long stretch. As you of course know.
And also not just the elected GOP. The institutional guard-rails (SCOTUS, etc.) have essentially collapsed as well. Alternative centers of power and pluralismhave become collaborators and enablers (rent-seeking corporations switching from opposing unsustainable idiocy to getting their share of $$$ for the short run).
In any case it's down to Cruz or Rubio if the Trumpenfuhrer stumbles. Only one of whom is even plausible as a serious president for these times.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2015 03:15 PM (QDnY+)
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Oh, and the H.L. Mencken quote at the top of this military blog page? This is Trump.
He is causing an uproar like no one has before him in politics. Good for him. Little Lindsay, on teevee, said for him to "go to hell." I would like to see Miss Graham say that to Trump's face as the fine Senator polls at 0% (speaking of which, when is he, Santorum...who I forgot was running, and Katshit going to quit their nonsensical candidacies?).
Trump is even stomping in international waters. In the UK, there is a stupid little pansy petition to keep him out of their country. Yet! Others agree with him and poke their wee heads out of they bunker to do so, saying, "Yep, he is correct!"
I say bah on political correctness and yea for courage. Tell it like it is. I am no Redneck Queen for nothing, y'all.
He is causing an uproar like no one has before him in politics. Good for him. Little Lindsay, on teevee, said for him to "go to hell." I would like to see Miss Graham say that to Trump's face as the fine Senator polls at 0% (speaking of which, when is he, Santorum...who I forgot was running, and Katshit going to quit their nonsensical candidacies?).
Trump is even stomping in international waters. In the UK, there is a stupid little pansy petition to keep him out of their country. Yet! Others agree with him and poke their wee heads out of they bunker to do so, saying, "Yep, he is correct!"
I say bah on political correctness and yea for courage. Tell it like it is. I am no Redneck Queen for nothing, y'all.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 09, 2015 03:15 PM (7lqMl)
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If Trump were to be elected and did not build the border wall, fix the VA, build an overwhelming military, jumpstart the economy....THEN he would be a certifiable demagogue...for the ages.
Until then, Trump is hope for the forgotten American working man and woman.
Boorish, crude...yes.
Demagogue? Jury is long out on that one.
If Trump were to be elected and did not build the border wall, fix the VA, build an overwhelming military, jumpstart the economy....THEN he would be a certifiable demagogue...for the ages.
Until then, Trump is hope for the forgotten American working man and woman.
Boorish, crude...yes.
Demagogue? Jury is long out on that one.
Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at December 09, 2015 03:15 PM (3ZttN)
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Hannity is now repeating what Rush said Carter did in 79 & deported 15,000 Iranians.
Posted by: Carol at December 09, 2015 03:16 PM (sj3Ax)
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54 Posted by: Vic-we have no party at December 09, 2015 02:37 PM (t2KH5)
Glad to hear I ain't the only one. Thought it was one/some of my add-ons.
I have the add-on Start In IE so now when I know it's an NRO link I just click that and I can see the page. But even IE says there's errors on the page.
They personify the GOPe in so many little ways it's funny.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 09, 2015 02:44 PM (Xo1Rt)
PJM just did a site redesign that rendered it unusable until a helpful Moron let me know which of the zillion scripts on the thing were necessary.
One thing these guys don't get is that when you load content from a domain, you're trusting THAT domain. If you want to run all these scripts, host them on YOUR domain instead of "vslfjckfff.com" -- I know what site I was intending to visit, but I'm not about to trust all these other schmucks merely on your say-so.
Glad to hear I ain't the only one. Thought it was one/some of my add-ons.
I have the add-on Start In IE so now when I know it's an NRO link I just click that and I can see the page. But even IE says there's errors on the page.
They personify the GOPe in so many little ways it's funny.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 09, 2015 02:44 PM (Xo1Rt)
PJM just did a site redesign that rendered it unusable until a helpful Moron let me know which of the zillion scripts on the thing were necessary.
One thing these guys don't get is that when you load content from a domain, you're trusting THAT domain. If you want to run all these scripts, host them on YOUR domain instead of "vslfjckfff.com" -- I know what site I was intending to visit, but I'm not about to trust all these other schmucks merely on your say-so.
Posted by: cthulhu at December 09, 2015 03:16 PM (EzgxV)
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CNN: Protestors demand resignation of Chicago mayor
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH!
Live by the coverup, die by the coverup.
CNN: Protestors demand resignation of Chicago mayor
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH!
Live by the coverup, die by the coverup.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at December 09, 2015 03:16 PM (+aCe4)
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Donald Trump is stripped of honorary degree from Robert Gordon University>>>
Yeah? It's still siting in the storage closet where I left it in 2010. You want it come pick it up weasels!
Yeah? It's still siting in the storage closet where I left it in 2010. You want it come pick it up weasels!
Posted by: D Trump at December 09, 2015 03:16 PM (XtAzU)
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If Trump farted on a picture of Obama his poll numbers would go up. This is about rebellion, not about cognizant policy positions.
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2015 02:56 PM (jBuUi)
That doesn't mean we cannot have a little of both. An election of Trump does not mean that all the other branches of government with their checks and balances suddenly cease to exist, and we become one giant fabulous Trump Taj Mahal.
Ryan and the rest of the GOPe have shown that they are not so eager to give up their establishment spoils. And the media and liberal pols certainly have not gotten a clue. So I don't get the foreboding and doom predicated on a Trump general win.
If Trump farted on a picture of Obama his poll numbers would go up. This is about rebellion, not about cognizant policy positions.
Posted by: zombie at December 09, 2015 02:56 PM (jBuUi)
That doesn't mean we cannot have a little of both. An election of Trump does not mean that all the other branches of government with their checks and balances suddenly cease to exist, and we become one giant fabulous Trump Taj Mahal.
Ryan and the rest of the GOPe have shown that they are not so eager to give up their establishment spoils. And the media and liberal pols certainly have not gotten a clue. So I don't get the foreboding and doom predicated on a Trump general win.
Posted by: rebel flounder at December 09, 2015 03:16 PM (3dOE/)
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re scripts: i run no script on FF, and, if i go to a page with a zillion scripts, i just close said page.
there isn't any content worth all the security risk of running all that BS.
plus it will undoubtedly crash my browsing session.
there isn't any content worth all the security risk of running all that BS.
plus it will undoubtedly crash my browsing session.
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 09, 2015 03:16 PM (7+yyM)
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A friend asked me if it came down to Hillary and Trump, who would I vote for. I cannot vote for evil, and Hillary is evil. It's that simple.
Same goes for Bernie, though his evil is that he is a through-and-through Commie.
Same goes for Bernie, though his evil is that he is a through-and-through Commie.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2015 03:16 PM (NOIQH)
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ent Trump is 80% businessman Trump and the rest is a mixture of what we commonly see, he will do fine as POTUS.
Posted by: eman at December 09, 2015 03:09 PM (mR7Es)
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Trump would have to win POTUS first. Although you bring up a point that is interesting--Solchenitsyn was right in his 1978 commencement speech to Harvard and every year that dpeech becomes more and more proven, America puts too high a value on materialism. This currently overvalued belief system and Trump's supposed riches and success in that arena gives him unearned admiration in everything else he might want to do.
Posted by: eman at December 09, 2015 03:09 PM (mR7Es)
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Trump would have to win POTUS first. Although you bring up a point that is interesting--Solchenitsyn was right in his 1978 commencement speech to Harvard and every year that dpeech becomes more and more proven, America puts too high a value on materialism. This currently overvalued belief system and Trump's supposed riches and success in that arena gives him unearned admiration in everything else he might want to do.
Posted by: Danube River Guide at December 09, 2015 03:16 PM (mcm0N)
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I have adblock, flashblock, and noscript. I can
usually allow a bit of javascript, selectively and get to what I want.
Not even blanket allowing javascipt worked for NR. I ended up using
IE-32, where IE-64 choked, and they had all kinds of media plugin
notices, popovers, java, and the aforementioned 20+ scripts running from
different domains. What an absolute mess!
Posted by: rebel flounder at December 09, 2015 02:49 PM
Yeah, it ain't pretty. ABPlus seems to handle it enough for me, though. Loads fast and I don't get assaulted. I don't know how folks surf without it. I'm shocked whenever I turn it off. I wonder if Trump has a position on this? Hmmm.
usually allow a bit of javascript, selectively and get to what I want.
Not even blanket allowing javascipt worked for NR. I ended up using
IE-32, where IE-64 choked, and they had all kinds of media plugin
notices, popovers, java, and the aforementioned 20+ scripts running from
different domains. What an absolute mess!
Posted by: rebel flounder at December 09, 2015 02:49 PM
Yeah, it ain't pretty. ABPlus seems to handle it enough for me, though. Loads fast and I don't get assaulted. I don't know how folks surf without it. I'm shocked whenever I turn it off. I wonder if Trump has a position on this? Hmmm.
Posted by: jow at December 09, 2015 03:16 PM (MCOBY)
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that *speech*
Posted by: Danube River Guide at December 09, 2015 03:17 PM (mcm0N)
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You wanted: A liberty-loving, constitutional, American patriot
You'll settle for: SMOD
You'll get: Trump
You'll settle for: SMOD
You'll get: Trump
Posted by: shillelagh at December 09, 2015 03:17 PM (L3vVL)
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Donald Trump is stripped of honorary degree from Robert Gordon University. Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 09, 2015 03:13 PM
Damn!
What's next? Is University of Phoenix going to take back teh Donald's honorary online degree?
Damn!
What's next? Is University of Phoenix going to take back teh Donald's honorary online degree?
Posted by: MrScribbler at December 09, 2015 03:17 PM (ykopX)
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I'm gonna just assume the lousy slow loading of the site is the wrath of Soothsayer.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2015 03:17 PM (TOk1P)
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"We can argue that our proposals achieve the priorities of the leftist socialist state better than the proposals of the left can achieve them."
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Another place where this concept keeps re-emerging is with the ratcheting leftward of health care. The cycle is:
1. Declare that the current system is broken
2. Propose a "common sense" solution
3. Browbeat the 'right' into surrendering by calling them obstructionists or meanies
4. Inflict badly flawed legislation
5. Wait 2-5 years
6. Go to #1
The opposition party spends all their energy trying to fix the "broken system" better than the left. Instead of belatedly repealing Obamacare, the GOP should have spent the last few years laying groundwork for opposing single payer, cause that's the next iteration of the shampoo-rinse-repeat cycle. If I hear one more (R) politician say, "we should sell insurance across state lines..."
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Another place where this concept keeps re-emerging is with the ratcheting leftward of health care. The cycle is:
1. Declare that the current system is broken
2. Propose a "common sense" solution
3. Browbeat the 'right' into surrendering by calling them obstructionists or meanies
4. Inflict badly flawed legislation
5. Wait 2-5 years
6. Go to #1
The opposition party spends all their energy trying to fix the "broken system" better than the left. Instead of belatedly repealing Obamacare, the GOP should have spent the last few years laying groundwork for opposing single payer, cause that's the next iteration of the shampoo-rinse-repeat cycle. If I hear one more (R) politician say, "we should sell insurance across state lines..."
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 09, 2015 03:18 PM (NeFrd)
Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2015 03:18 PM (DL2i+)
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Pardon me boys, where's the Overton Choo Choo?
Right on track twenty nine
You can give me a shine....
Pardon me boys, where's the Overton Choo Choo?
Right on track twenty nine
You can give me a shine....
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 09, 2015 03:18 PM (iQIUe)
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"reflects the shattering of the American consensus, and the result will likely be deeper polarization, and even less civility, with further strains on the ties that bind our nation together"
Reaction to Obama's call for gun control. People think they had better get one while they still can without thinking about the possibility that once you have bought one, your name goes on a list, and sooner or later, someone will knock on your door and ask you about the gun you bought.
Reaction to Obama's call for gun control. People think they had better get one while they still can without thinking about the possibility that once you have bought one, your name goes on a list, and sooner or later, someone will knock on your door and ask you about the gun you bought.
Posted by: Thad Buffet at December 09, 2015 03:18 PM (Nh58q)
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"Cruz is smart. So is Rubio. Either one could propose something like a pause on all immigration and visitation from the following countries: "
Already happened. Rand Paul presented an amendment doing just that. Cruz voted for it. 89 senators voted against it, including Rubio.
Already happened. Rand Paul presented an amendment doing just that. Cruz voted for it. 89 senators voted against it, including Rubio.
Posted by: Lauren at December 09, 2015 03:18 PM (Z/8dZ)
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The media looks quite foolish when they call Trump the new Fuhrer, when his actual proposal in context is quite 1) rational 2) legal 3) precedented.
Posted by: california red at December 09, 2015 03:19 PM (q6yxu)
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So it takes fuck-you money _plus an indefinable something else_ that McCain lacked. Whatever that something else is, Trump has it.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 09, 2015 03:06 PM (noWW6)
Trump is the living example of the old statement that he doesn't care what you say about him so long as you are talking about him. He doesn't care what the self-proclaimed cool kids think. Trump is a clique in himself. Trump is the pompous jerk who enjoys telling the pretentious jerks where they can get off.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 09, 2015 03:06 PM (noWW6)
Trump is the living example of the old statement that he doesn't care what you say about him so long as you are talking about him. He doesn't care what the self-proclaimed cool kids think. Trump is a clique in himself. Trump is the pompous jerk who enjoys telling the pretentious jerks where they can get off.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Let the Outrage Outlet Plan and Cater Your Holiday Atrocity! at December 09, 2015 03:19 PM (hLRSq)
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Furious George, Ignoramus, impeachjoe - good stuff!
Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2015 03:19 PM (QDnY+)
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"Another one that is working very well today (meaning it's bad) is the
funding education nonsense. We're reduced on a local level to arguing
about how we're going to fund all those wonderful programs our schools
provide, and do so within a 'reasonable' tax framework, instead of
asking why the government runs school in the first place."
There are things that Republicans could easily do to monkeywrench this if they were really intent on doing so. (Since they are in on the racket, they do not do these things.)
If I ran the zoo, I'd impose a simple regulatory requirement upon local educrats.
If the school district gets federal money, which for practical purposes means all of them, then the school must have prominently posted out by the local public thoroughfare a large sign which shows the total amount of money from all sources (including indirect monies from things like bond measures) which are spent per pupil, per year.
I talk pretty regularly with local voters about education spending, and I have not yet met a single one who has any earthly idea how much cash flows through the coffers of the educrats.
One funny talk went like this. I mentioned the figure of fourteen thousand dollars a year of classroom level expenditure, and the individual with whom I was conversing became red-faced and apoplectic and shouted that it was COMPLETELY UNREASONABLE to run an entire classroom on only $14K/year and that this PROVED THE SCHOOLS NEED MOAR MONEY.
I then noted in a normal tone of voice that it's actually $14K/student/year. A wee bit different.
funding education nonsense. We're reduced on a local level to arguing
about how we're going to fund all those wonderful programs our schools
provide, and do so within a 'reasonable' tax framework, instead of
asking why the government runs school in the first place."
There are things that Republicans could easily do to monkeywrench this if they were really intent on doing so. (Since they are in on the racket, they do not do these things.)
If I ran the zoo, I'd impose a simple regulatory requirement upon local educrats.
If the school district gets federal money, which for practical purposes means all of them, then the school must have prominently posted out by the local public thoroughfare a large sign which shows the total amount of money from all sources (including indirect monies from things like bond measures) which are spent per pupil, per year.
I talk pretty regularly with local voters about education spending, and I have not yet met a single one who has any earthly idea how much cash flows through the coffers of the educrats.
One funny talk went like this. I mentioned the figure of fourteen thousand dollars a year of classroom level expenditure, and the individual with whom I was conversing became red-faced and apoplectic and shouted that it was COMPLETELY UNREASONABLE to run an entire classroom on only $14K/year and that this PROVED THE SCHOOLS NEED MOAR MONEY.
I then noted in a normal tone of voice that it's actually $14K/student/year. A wee bit different.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 09, 2015 03:19 PM (noWW6)
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Hold on ...
... Where are all these "ties that bind us as a nation" ? Because since the 1800s - all I see is a Northern victory over the South followed by a non-uniform fear of Soviet Communism.
I think we're due for my fighting amongst ourselves. Literally. This time - I hope the divorce sticks.
... Where are all these "ties that bind us as a nation" ? Because since the 1800s - all I see is a Northern victory over the South followed by a non-uniform fear of Soviet Communism.
I think we're due for my fighting amongst ourselves. Literally. This time - I hope the divorce sticks.
Posted by: Irony at December 09, 2015 03:19 PM (c5Luo)
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Fast forward to next year. Trump has come out on top in Iowa and won New Hampshire in a rout, and now he's standing in front of a crowd in South Carolina. The crowd yells and chants and yells some more, and when they finally let Trump speak he says, "See? They threw everything they had at me, and I'm still standing." Crowd goes wild. Donald gets that shit-eating smirk on his face.
What then? Are we still going to be talking about how unsuited he is to be President?
What then? Are we still going to be talking about how unsuited he is to be President?
Posted by: Brewdog at December 09, 2015 03:19 PM (ZgUuK)
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ace is the woman in the lesbian romance who thinks she's straight until she's seduced. He'll end by falling for Trump.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 09, 2015 03:20 PM (vbrvD)
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Site is loading for me
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at December 09, 2015 03:20 PM (t2KH5)
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The Donald will nuke the moon!
Posted by: Lunar Warmist at December 09, 2015 03:20 PM (6QhWM)
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Sorry for another O/T but for those that care: AdBlock+ for IE used to be worthless but it looks like it actually works well now.
just remember to hit the tip jar at the HQ though!
just remember to hit the tip jar at the HQ though!
Posted by: jow at December 09, 2015 03:20 PM (MCOBY)
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Ivanka Trump has style.
Posted by: Feh at December 09, 2015 03:20 PM (RGla5)
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I will say Cruz noticed this very early on, which is a merit to him.
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Cruz is very shrewd. He has seemed to handle the Trump candidacy the best. It will be fun to watch that dynamic play out. So far, his strategy seems to be working.
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Cruz is very shrewd. He has seemed to handle the Trump candidacy the best. It will be fun to watch that dynamic play out. So far, his strategy seems to be working.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2015 03:21 PM (gmeXX)
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The Hill
Scott Walker* calls on other GOP candidates to drop out in order to take down Trump: http://hill.cm/VvyoAwu
*He choose -- poorly
The Hill
Scott Walker* calls on other GOP candidates to drop out in order to take down Trump: http://hill.cm/VvyoAwu
*He choose -- poorly
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 09, 2015 03:21 PM (kdS6q)
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The Mencken quote at the top of this page--it sort of puts me in mind of the boorish and crude demagogue. It fits him better than some I could name. Nobody's going to call him a...well, you know, 'C' word.
Posted by: Monty James at December 09, 2015 03:21 PM (uLTvi)
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152 Unsuited for the presidency, as opposed to Hillary, or Jeb? Please. The aversion I see seems to stem from his person, rather than any real way he's actually worse than the others.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 09, 2015 03:09 PM (vbrvD)
Ace touches on this in the above post: we're all liberal now. We're aesthetically liberal, we are all cowed by normalcy bias and marshmallow-headed liberalism is the norm in the US today.
Trump is offensive to liberal sensibilities. It has nothing to do with the substance of what he says. He does not genuflect or sing the sacred hymns. While praising this on the one hand, it's also what even insightful conservative commentators like our man hang around his neck as "unelectability."
But it doesn't make him unelectable. It's not his weakness, it's his strength.
They're gonna kill him.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 09, 2015 03:09 PM (vbrvD)
Ace touches on this in the above post: we're all liberal now. We're aesthetically liberal, we are all cowed by normalcy bias and marshmallow-headed liberalism is the norm in the US today.
Trump is offensive to liberal sensibilities. It has nothing to do with the substance of what he says. He does not genuflect or sing the sacred hymns. While praising this on the one hand, it's also what even insightful conservative commentators like our man hang around his neck as "unelectability."
But it doesn't make him unelectable. It's not his weakness, it's his strength.
They're gonna kill him.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 09, 2015 03:21 PM (xuouz)
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The rest have sold us out. Nowhere else to go.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 09, 2015 03:21 PM (vbrvD)
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Some Muslim leaders and activists irritated at Trump's Obama's comments about Muslims rooting out extremists.
Posted by: Tepid Air at December 09, 2015 03:22 PM (LYCUN)
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209: "This time - I hope the divorce sticks."
Indeed. What does Texas have in common with California?
Other than Mexicans.
Indeed. What does Texas have in common with California?
Other than Mexicans.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 09, 2015 03:22 PM (UPYPp)
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>>>> Does anyone know if Trump micromanages his business, or does he put good people in?
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No, he does not micromanage. He hires very competent, efficient hard workers. He only put his adult kids in management positions after making them do a lot of unglamorous, grunt work first like his own father made him do. His kids are running his business more and more so he can run his campaign.
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No, he does not micromanage. He hires very competent, efficient hard workers. He only put his adult kids in management positions after making them do a lot of unglamorous, grunt work first like his own father made him do. His kids are running his business more and more so he can run his campaign.
Posted by: L, Elle at December 09, 2015 03:22 PM (2x3L+)
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Can normal people wrest the levers of government from the freaks without breaking things, or is it too late? I think Trump supporters and Trump sympathizers, whether actual supporters or those in the LIB entertainment-value camp, sense this.
What is it, 37million plus Americans no longer participating in the labor pool?
I don't know about y'all, but if the demographics are what you'd expect they are, that looks like the building blocks of a damn scary insurgency.
What is it, 37million plus Americans no longer participating in the labor pool?
I don't know about y'all, but if the demographics are what you'd expect they are, that looks like the building blocks of a damn scary insurgency.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at December 09, 2015 03:22 PM (9krrF)
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Comments on blog loading very slow. Is this a sign we are going to the camps? Remember, I have a corner bunk.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 09, 2015 03:23 PM (7lqMl)
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>>Donald Trump is stripped of honorary degree from Robert Gordon University.
(Also the mayor of St. Petersburg saying he's banned Trump from visiting, or NBC kicking him off his show, or the co.'s that cancelled events at Trump resorts)
It's like they're all trying so hard to hurt him with whatever power they think they have over him.
What this does is demonstrate how petty they are, and how they are happy to give a show, a degree, etc. to the celebrity rich dude as long as he doesn't embarrass them.
(Also the mayor of St. Petersburg saying he's banned Trump from visiting, or NBC kicking him off his show, or the co.'s that cancelled events at Trump resorts)
It's like they're all trying so hard to hurt him with whatever power they think they have over him.
What this does is demonstrate how petty they are, and how they are happy to give a show, a degree, etc. to the celebrity rich dude as long as he doesn't embarrass them.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2015 03:23 PM (NOIQH)
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"108 I have Breaking News app & 15-20 minutes ago Top Story was 100s in Chicago protesting to have The Ballerina resign.
Posted by: Carol at December 09, 2015"
What did little Ronnie Reagan do now?
Posted by: Carol at December 09, 2015"
What did little Ronnie Reagan do now?
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 09, 2015 03:23 PM (OD2ni)
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Seamus, not sure I follow on next steps, though your description of the "ratchet" is spot-on.
"System" is not broken (something super-majority of Americans always agreed with), it's just hampered to the point of collapse by mis- and over-regulation, with oligopolistic pathologies setting in (naturally) as a consequence.
So yes full repeal of O-care should be axiomatic. But just a start. And breaking up the state-based misregulation that is the key underpinning of insurance oligopolies IS indeed a central issue. Though exactly how that should be addressed is open to debate.
Seamus, not sure I follow on next steps, though your description of the "ratchet" is spot-on.
"System" is not broken (something super-majority of Americans always agreed with), it's just hampered to the point of collapse by mis- and over-regulation, with oligopolistic pathologies setting in (naturally) as a consequence.
So yes full repeal of O-care should be axiomatic. But just a start. And breaking up the state-based misregulation that is the key underpinning of insurance oligopolies IS indeed a central issue. Though exactly how that should be addressed is open to debate.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2015 03:23 PM (QDnY+)
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and the individual with whom I was conversing became red-faced and apoplectic and shouted that it was COMPLETELY UNREASONABLE to run an entire classroom on only $14K/year and that this PROVED THE SCHOOLS NEED MOAR MONEY.
I then noted in a normal tone of voice that it's actually $14K/student/year. A wee bit different.
$14k x 36 = hoo-boy!
I then noted in a normal tone of voice that it's actually $14K/student/year. A wee bit different.
$14k x 36 = hoo-boy!
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2015 03:24 PM (DKgtk)
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"A boorish and crude demagogue, but useful for smashing the walls of the leftist prison all political debate is had inside."
Crude? Boorish? No. Trump is only stating facts. The cuckolds of the right have to insult him as he's saving their bacon. Finally a MAN speaking the truth. It's not crude and it's not boorish.
Of course, the irony is lost on the author of this sentence.
Crude? Boorish? No. Trump is only stating facts. The cuckolds of the right have to insult him as he's saving their bacon. Finally a MAN speaking the truth. It's not crude and it's not boorish.
Of course, the irony is lost on the author of this sentence.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at December 09, 2015 03:24 PM (kGW+q)
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No mention of preference cascades?
Posted by: Komissar Vladimir at December 09, 2015 03:25 PM (7NboP)
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If I hear Overton window one more time I'm going to push someone out a window.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at December 09, 2015 03:25 PM (iRZl4)
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The Megyn Kellys of this nation take up 75% of TV screen time, but comprise only 1% of ballot-box voters.
And they're concentrated in states that go to the Dems anyway, so there's really no point in considering them.
And they're concentrated in states that go to the Dems anyway, so there's really no point in considering them.
Posted by: Methos at December 09, 2015 03:25 PM (ZbV+0)
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Cruz is very shrewd. He has seemed to handle the Trump candidacy the best. It will be fun to watch that dynamic play out. So far, his strategy seems to be working.
Posted by: SH
"I admire it's -- purity."
Cruz has a certain Nixonian "whatever I have to say or do to advance myself" shark-like quality that one can't help but appreciate.
Cruz is very shrewd. He has seemed to handle the Trump candidacy the best. It will be fun to watch that dynamic play out. So far, his strategy seems to be working.
Posted by: SH
"I admire it's -- purity."
Cruz has a certain Nixonian "whatever I have to say or do to advance myself" shark-like quality that one can't help but appreciate.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 09, 2015 03:25 PM (kdS6q)
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In any case it's down to Cruz or Rubio if the Trumpenfuhrer stumbles.
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rhomboid
Please can I steal that--first laugh I've had all day.
Ask anyone here--oh hell they don't remember --I am one huge Pollyanna--I think events have gotten ahead of both of them and it is too late.
Know the lyrics to the Rolling Stones--"under my thumb"?
Hillary is going to be singing that to herself once she gets her hands on our military.
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rhomboid
Please can I steal that--first laugh I've had all day.
Ask anyone here--oh hell they don't remember --I am one huge Pollyanna--I think events have gotten ahead of both of them and it is too late.
Know the lyrics to the Rolling Stones--"under my thumb"?
Hillary is going to be singing that to herself once she gets her hands on our military.
Posted by: Danube River Guide at December 09, 2015 03:25 PM (mcm0N)
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Any tips for using Firefox for NR's site?
Add-on add blockers.
Firefox ad blocker and updated ad blocker for firefox 11+
I have no trouble with those installed
Add-on add blockers.
Firefox ad blocker and updated ad blocker for firefox 11+
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Posted by: ddagny at December 09, 2015 03:25 PM (GUUa5)
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He'll beat HRC so bad she'll fold.
Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2015 03:18 PM (DL2i+)
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This is my sense too. People just don't like Hillary. She's there because it's her turn to be there. Trump would come off as the more likable candidate, Kinda how people like to see train wrecks, but yeah - I think they'd rather have him than her. She's a stodgy sourpuss with no TV presence. He's goofy and entertaining and seems to like America. The ultimate reality show. I think he stays on the island.
Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2015 03:18 PM (DL2i+)
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This is my sense too. People just don't like Hillary. She's there because it's her turn to be there. Trump would come off as the more likable candidate, Kinda how people like to see train wrecks, but yeah - I think they'd rather have him than her. She's a stodgy sourpuss with no TV presence. He's goofy and entertaining and seems to like America. The ultimate reality show. I think he stays on the island.
Posted by: grammie winger, Isaiah 9:6 at December 09, 2015 03:26 PM (dFi94)
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What is it, 37million plus Americans no longer participating in the labor pool?
I don't know about y'all, but if the demographics are what you'd expect they are, that looks like the building blocks of a damn scary insurgency.
Don't load the EBT cards once.
Once.
I don't know about y'all, but if the demographics are what you'd expect they are, that looks like the building blocks of a damn scary insurgency.
Don't load the EBT cards once.
Once.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2015 03:26 PM (DKgtk)
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Posted by: Lauren at December 09, 2015 02:37 PM (Kqit+)
I like Cruz.
If gets the nomination the left will make him out to seem like a conservative Christianist who looks like a brunette version of Howdy Doody,, but I like him.
And anyway, they have no other way to talk about conservatives than that they're 1. stupid, and/or 2/ religious nut case and/or "out of touch" mean Richie Rich. Same playbook every four years.
I like Cruz.
If gets the nomination the left will make him out to seem like a conservative Christianist who looks like a brunette version of Howdy Doody,, but I like him.
And anyway, they have no other way to talk about conservatives than that they're 1. stupid, and/or 2/ religious nut case and/or "out of touch" mean Richie Rich. Same playbook every four years.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 09, 2015 03:27 PM (No/ki)
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Hey, Shep, go and read the US Constitution and what it says about Presidential qualifications, then get back to me about how Trump is unqualified.
Posted by: navybrat at December 09, 2015 03:27 PM (ETxiG)
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"This time - I hope the divorce sticks."
Indeed. What does Texas have in common with California?
Other than Mexicans.
Not a damn thing.
Indeed. What does Texas have in common with California?
Other than Mexicans.
Not a damn thing.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2015 03:27 PM (DKgtk)
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>>> First the rise of Trump in the USA, then as a chaser, the victories by the National Front in France.
I know what you mean, but just so everyone knows, the FN hasn't won anything yet. French elections happen in two phases, a general election and then a run off of the top two finishers.
The PS and LR (Republicains) are both pretty much agreed that the FN must not be allowed to win so one can expect that many PS voters will vote LR in an LR/FN contest, and many LR voters will vote PS in a PS/FN runoff.
Papers are talking about the possibility that the FN wins one, or even two, of these contests.
The real election is December 13.
I know what you mean, but just so everyone knows, the FN hasn't won anything yet. French elections happen in two phases, a general election and then a run off of the top two finishers.
The PS and LR (Republicains) are both pretty much agreed that the FN must not be allowed to win so one can expect that many PS voters will vote LR in an LR/FN contest, and many LR voters will vote PS in a PS/FN runoff.
Papers are talking about the possibility that the FN wins one, or even two, of these contests.
The real election is December 13.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2015 03:28 PM (dciA+)
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Trump points out the impotence of the men of the right. That's where all this..."Well, he's boorish but he has a point..." comes from.
The girly men of the right and their delicate sensibilities have allowed all this crap to have metastasized to stage four cancer on our country.
The girly men of the right and their delicate sensibilities have allowed all this crap to have metastasized to stage four cancer on our country.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at December 09, 2015 03:28 PM (kGW+q)
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The Donald will nuke the moon!
Posted by: Lunar Warmist at December 09, 2015 03:20 PM (6QhWM)
Nuke the moon and take their green cheese!
Posted by: Lunar Warmist at December 09, 2015 03:20 PM (6QhWM)
Nuke the moon and take their green cheese!
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Let the Outrage Outlet Plan and Cater Your Holiday Atrocity! at December 09, 2015 03:28 PM (hLRSq)
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The more chaos Trump brings, the more howling, the more outrage from my 'betters', the more I like the guy.....
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at December 09, 2015 03:28 PM (AC0lD)
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211 ace is the woman in the lesbian romance who thinks she's straight until she's seduced. He'll end by falling for Trump.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 09, 2015 03:20 PM (vbrvD)
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Ace is not a whore!! Wait....lesbian, er romance fan!
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 09, 2015 03:20 PM (vbrvD)
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Ace is not a whore!! Wait....lesbian, er romance fan!
Posted by: Danube River Guide at December 09, 2015 03:28 PM (mcm0N)
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238 - Don't load the EBT cards once.
Posted by: Irony at December 09, 2015 03:28 PM (c5Luo)
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Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2015 03:23 PM (NOIQH)
So what was been Trunp's response to all this vitriolic hoopla?
So what was been Trunp's response to all this vitriolic hoopla?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 09, 2015 03:28 PM (No/ki)
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Posted by: L, Elle at December 09, 2015 03:22 PM (2x3L+)
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That's good information. Thanks L, Elle.
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That's good information. Thanks L, Elle.
Posted by: grammie winger, Isaiah 9:6 at December 09, 2015 03:28 PM (dFi94)
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"It's like they're all trying so hard to hurt him with whatever power they think they have over him.
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As if he GAF about some honorary degree.
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As if he GAF about some honorary degree.
Posted by: Lauren at December 09, 2015 03:29 PM (Kqit+)
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Cruz has a certain Nixonian "whatever I have to say or do to advance myself" shark-like quality that one can't help but appreciate.
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There are a lot of comparisons between Cruz and Nixon. Nixon was an extremely successful politician. I hope Cruz doesn't share his paranoia - nor his centrism.
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There are a lot of comparisons between Cruz and Nixon. Nixon was an extremely successful politician. I hope Cruz doesn't share his paranoia - nor his centrism.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2015 03:29 PM (gmeXX)
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238: "Don't load the EBT cards once."
Imagine what would go down if hackers messed with the payments.
Either that or some newly appointed bureaucrats made some "mistakes" that caused interruption of welfare benefits...
Hmm. Entirely new worlds of possibilities.
Imagine what would go down if hackers messed with the payments.
Either that or some newly appointed bureaucrats made some "mistakes" that caused interruption of welfare benefits...
Hmm. Entirely new worlds of possibilities.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 09, 2015 03:29 PM (UPYPp)
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The Hill
Trump stripped of two major titles in Scotland over Muslim ban: http://hill.cm/22AJ2oU
"Lord of the Dance" and.......
The Hill
Trump stripped of two major titles in Scotland over Muslim ban: http://hill.cm/22AJ2oU
"Lord of the Dance" and.......
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 09, 2015 03:29 PM (kdS6q)
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Speaking of HotAir, they report that France is closing mosques.
Of course that can't happen here because we have a first amendment that prohibits infringement on the free practice of one's religion.
It seems odd to me that we have to tolerate a religion that calls for killing the unbeliever and imposing a legal system that would replace what we have now, and make the practice of that one religion mandatory despite the very same first amendment that prohibits the government establishment of a mandatory religion.
I find the whole thing very confusing.
Of course that can't happen here because we have a first amendment that prohibits infringement on the free practice of one's religion.
It seems odd to me that we have to tolerate a religion that calls for killing the unbeliever and imposing a legal system that would replace what we have now, and make the practice of that one religion mandatory despite the very same first amendment that prohibits the government establishment of a mandatory religion.
I find the whole thing very confusing.
Posted by: Thad Buffet at December 09, 2015 03:30 PM (Nh58q)
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>>So it takes fuck-you money _plus an indefinable something else_ that McCain lacked. Whatever that something else is, Trump has it.
**Media experience/savvy - Trump has been selling himself for decades, had a hit show, many friends/contacts in the NYC media
**Built-in fan base (from show) and well-defined media image outside of DC media bubble
Think that's what really burns - not only that he has no use for the MSM, but he doesn't need or care about the DC elite who are so effective at beating down Republicans with peer-pressure once they move there.
**Media experience/savvy - Trump has been selling himself for decades, had a hit show, many friends/contacts in the NYC media
**Built-in fan base (from show) and well-defined media image outside of DC media bubble
Think that's what really burns - not only that he has no use for the MSM, but he doesn't need or care about the DC elite who are so effective at beating down Republicans with peer-pressure once they move there.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2015 03:30 PM (NOIQH)
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157 ... Hi JackStraw,
My grandfather worked at the Torpedo Station as a master toolmaker and machinist from the 1920s through the 50s. (Wish he had passed on some of those abilities to me.) An aunt and my eventual Godmother got their first jobs there after high school as clerk/typists in the 30s. I grew up on The Point and on Mill Street, so Goat Island was never far away. (Of course, this was before the hotel and mooring facility and causeway.) Glad to learn the island isn't just an abandoned shell anymore.
My grandfather worked at the Torpedo Station as a master toolmaker and machinist from the 1920s through the 50s. (Wish he had passed on some of those abilities to me.) An aunt and my eventual Godmother got their first jobs there after high school as clerk/typists in the 30s. I grew up on The Point and on Mill Street, so Goat Island was never far away. (Of course, this was before the hotel and mooring facility and causeway.) Glad to learn the island isn't just an abandoned shell anymore.
Posted by: JTB at December 09, 2015 03:30 PM (FvdPb)
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He'll beat HRC so bad she'll fold.
Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2015 03:18 PM (DL2i+)
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This is my sense too. People just don't like Hillary. She's there because it's her turn to be there. Trump would come off as the more likable candidate, Kinda how people like to see train wrecks, but yeah - I think they'd rather have him than her. She's a stodgy sourpuss with no TV presence. He's goofy and entertaining and seems to like America. The ultimate reality show. I think he stays on the island.
Posted by: grammie winger, Isaiah 9:6
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I don't, I think Hillary would beat Trump soundly and the Clintons are hoping he gets the nom, which would make sense since both Bill and Hillary were the ones that urged Trump to run. They're good friends, remember?
Am I glad that Trump decided illegal immigration was an issue he was going to exploit? Yes, but if this nation were so gung ho about that one and only issue, Democrats would have felt voters' wrath a long time ago.
Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2015 03:18 PM (DL2i+)
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This is my sense too. People just don't like Hillary. She's there because it's her turn to be there. Trump would come off as the more likable candidate, Kinda how people like to see train wrecks, but yeah - I think they'd rather have him than her. She's a stodgy sourpuss with no TV presence. He's goofy and entertaining and seems to like America. The ultimate reality show. I think he stays on the island.
Posted by: grammie winger, Isaiah 9:6
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I don't, I think Hillary would beat Trump soundly and the Clintons are hoping he gets the nom, which would make sense since both Bill and Hillary were the ones that urged Trump to run. They're good friends, remember?
Am I glad that Trump decided illegal immigration was an issue he was going to exploit? Yes, but if this nation were so gung ho about that one and only issue, Democrats would have felt voters' wrath a long time ago.
Posted by: Coolio at December 09, 2015 03:30 PM (QnRLU)
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Scott Walker* calls on other GOP candidates to drop out in order to take down Trump: http://hill.cm/VvyoAwu
*He choose -- poorly
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 09, 2015 03:21 PM (kdS6q)
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Proving once again why this guy was not ready to lead at the national level.
*He choose -- poorly
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 09, 2015 03:21 PM (kdS6q)
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Proving once again why this guy was not ready to lead at the national level.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 09, 2015 03:30 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 09, 2015 03:31 PM (UPYPp)
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If I hear Overton window one more time I'm going to push someone out a window.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at December 09, 2015 03:25 PM (iRZl4)
How about "the accepted parameters of debate on that subject have been changed?"
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at December 09, 2015 03:25 PM (iRZl4)
How about "the accepted parameters of debate on that subject have been changed?"
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Let the Outrage Outlet Plan and Cater Your Holiday Atrocity! at December 09, 2015 03:31 PM (hLRSq)
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if Trump wins, and even achieves part of his goals regarding illegal immigration, that would have a direct, positive, improvement on my quality of life here in #Failifornia.
more of the same, whether it be another Demonrat or the GOPe squish de jour, would not.
i have no illusions about his "conservative" platforms, but, at this point, reversing the invasion strikes me as priority one.
more of the same, whether it be another Demonrat or the GOPe squish de jour, would not.
i have no illusions about his "conservative" platforms, but, at this point, reversing the invasion strikes me as priority one.
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 09, 2015 03:31 PM (7+yyM)
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>>> The Megyn Kellys of this nation take up 75% of TV screen time, but comprise only 1% of ballot-box voters.
nonsense, 40% of the country or so has a college degree.
nonsense, 40% of the country or so has a college degree.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2015 03:31 PM (dciA+)
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One thing I love about Trump is that he's like Sarah Palin in that he makes all the right people completely lose their shit.
As this "let's keep the Muslims out" episode has unfolded, it has been a lot of fun watching just who among the commentariat and among my own friends has felt the need to do some virtue-signaling.
As this "let's keep the Muslims out" episode has unfolded, it has been a lot of fun watching just who among the commentariat and among my own friends has felt the need to do some virtue-signaling.
Posted by: Brewdog at December 09, 2015 03:31 PM (ZgUuK)
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"It's like they're all trying so hard to hurt him with whatever power they think they have over him.
"
As if he GAF about some honorary degree.
If Trump wanted a degree, he'd buy a college.
"
As if he GAF about some honorary degree.
If Trump wanted a degree, he'd buy a college.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2015 03:31 PM (DKgtk)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 09, 2015 03:31 PM (HMt16)
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Ace's condescending bullshit is part of the problem, and he foolishly refuses to see which is in plain sight.
Trumps appeal is to the blue collar Americans who would like to finally elect someone who speaks like them, thinks like them, handles problems in a way understandable and explainable to them. Politicians used to be that way. They aren't anymore. And you, the so called "pundits" who made buzzword-pushing and content-masturbation into a lifelong profession, basically parasites who live of their commenters' creations, ain't no different from the political class.
Conservative bloggers are just the same pieces of shit as the liberal ones, they are mirror images of each other. Elitist, condescending and stuck in a man-made global bubble of the mind (you can call it solipsist since you like this term so much).
Trump will stump you all. And by "Trump" I don't mean Donald Trump, but the awakening eagle which is the collective Nation of America. We don't need journalists, pundits, bloggers, to decide our current correct opinion to hold according to the niche we were allocated into. We can speak our own mind, we can decide our own mind. Trump is the first on in the digital age to neglect your big P Protection services, and he has done so spectacularly. His people get him without the wordcloak of punditry and bogbloggery.
He's got the old, injecting himself into their clinging for the good of the greatness America used to be.
He's got the youth, capturing their imagination of what America can be - not the menacing third-world shithole you lead it to be but a promising oasis of proud and independent men who live the dream even as Europe crumbles under the weight of it's insane policies.
He doesn't need you. He has us.
Trumps appeal is to the blue collar Americans who would like to finally elect someone who speaks like them, thinks like them, handles problems in a way understandable and explainable to them. Politicians used to be that way. They aren't anymore. And you, the so called "pundits" who made buzzword-pushing and content-masturbation into a lifelong profession, basically parasites who live of their commenters' creations, ain't no different from the political class.
Conservative bloggers are just the same pieces of shit as the liberal ones, they are mirror images of each other. Elitist, condescending and stuck in a man-made global bubble of the mind (you can call it solipsist since you like this term so much).
Trump will stump you all. And by "Trump" I don't mean Donald Trump, but the awakening eagle which is the collective Nation of America. We don't need journalists, pundits, bloggers, to decide our current correct opinion to hold according to the niche we were allocated into. We can speak our own mind, we can decide our own mind. Trump is the first on in the digital age to neglect your big P Protection services, and he has done so spectacularly. His people get him without the wordcloak of punditry and bogbloggery.
He's got the old, injecting himself into their clinging for the good of the greatness America used to be.
He's got the youth, capturing their imagination of what America can be - not the menacing third-world shithole you lead it to be but a promising oasis of proud and independent men who live the dream even as Europe crumbles under the weight of it's insane policies.
He doesn't need you. He has us.
Posted by: Juicer at December 09, 2015 03:31 PM (wgIhW)
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Two Afghani trainees missing from Georgia military post.
What could go wrong? (Thinking of 11/15/15 story of guns and ammo stolen from Army base in MA).
Christy, time for your nerve pill, darlin." xoxo
Oh, and yay for free speech on this here blog!
What could go wrong? (Thinking of 11/15/15 story of guns and ammo stolen from Army base in MA).
Christy, time for your nerve pill, darlin." xoxo
Oh, and yay for free speech on this here blog!
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 09, 2015 03:31 PM (7lqMl)
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Posted by: Thad Buffet at December 09, 2015 03:18 PM (Nh58q)
And you can ask them by what authority do they presume to come and ask you those questions. And btw where's your subpoena/warrant?
Don't have one? Then I have no answer for you sir/madam.
*shuts door*
It won't be as easy as some fear and it won't be ignored as some hope.
And you can ask them by what authority do they presume to come and ask you those questions. And btw where's your subpoena/warrant?
Don't have one? Then I have no answer for you sir/madam.
*shuts door*
It won't be as easy as some fear and it won't be ignored as some hope.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 09, 2015 03:32 PM (Xo1Rt)
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Don't load the EBT cards once.
Once.
Sauce for the goose.
I keep warning about what happens if Trump goes down. That's not idle. I got a thorough grounding in modern German history in college.
Damn, it's rhyming close.
Once.
Sauce for the goose.
I keep warning about what happens if Trump goes down. That's not idle. I got a thorough grounding in modern German history in college.
Damn, it's rhyming close.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at December 09, 2015 03:32 PM (9krrF)
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Am I glad that Trump decided illegal immigration was an issue he was going to exploit? Yes, but if this nation were so gung ho about that one and only issue, Democrats would have felt voters' wrath a long time ago.
Maybe. If one of the parties had presented an alternative. As it is, the parties have been Tweedledee and Tweedledum.
Maybe. If one of the parties had presented an alternative. As it is, the parties have been Tweedledee and Tweedledum.
Posted by: Grump928(c) beating memes to death since 2006 at December 09, 2015 03:32 PM (evdj2)
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When President Trump appoints Cruz to the Supreme Court, those will be some fun confirmation hearings
Posted by: brak at December 09, 2015 03:32 PM (xwPSp)
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I just hope he doesn't get killed.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 09, 2015 03:32 PM (xuouz)
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"Let Putin handle ISIS, what has it got to do with us?" Did he say 'what has it got to do with us' as in what does Isis have to do with us, or was it meant more as what do we care if Russia bombs the shit out of them? We should get out of the way if we're not willing to and let them spend their blood and treasure ridding the world of ISIS.
And forces "demonic"? Really, Ace? That's rather extreme and are you really sure about that?
Other than that, spot on! Especially people feeling liberating to think freely again.
And forces "demonic"? Really, Ace? That's rather extreme and are you really sure about that?
Other than that, spot on! Especially people feeling liberating to think freely again.
Posted by: Stephanie at December 09, 2015 03:33 PM (eLvFT)
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11 Cruz in the slipstream ready for the slingshot.
Posted by: redenzo at December 09, 2015 02:35 PM (WCnJW)
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From your lips to God's ears!!
11 Cruz in the slipstream ready for the slingshot.
Posted by: redenzo at December 09, 2015 02:35 PM (WCnJW)
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From your lips to God's ears!!
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at December 09, 2015 03:33 PM (A/Q7Y)
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I get the Trump = demagogue discussion.
But why does the left always get to have the demagogues?
But why does the left always get to have the demagogues?
Posted by: Furious George at December 09, 2015 03:33 PM (3GAnN)
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I'm curious as to how unpopular Trump is, in the United Kingdom.
My guess is that he might well win an election over *there* if he was eligible. Britain's Muslims are much, much worse than Michigan's. And the Brits know it
My guess is that he might well win an election over *there* if he was eligible. Britain's Muslims are much, much worse than Michigan's. And the Brits know it
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 09, 2015 03:34 PM (y6rdx)
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260 If I hear Overton window one more time I'm going to push someone out a window.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at December 09, 2015 03:25 PM (iRZl4)
How about "the accepted parameters of debate on that subject have been changed?"
With, "The totality of the throughput of optimized synergies!"
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at December 09, 2015 03:25 PM (iRZl4)
How about "the accepted parameters of debate on that subject have been changed?"
With, "The totality of the throughput of optimized synergies!"
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2015 03:34 PM (DKgtk)
Posted by: Methos at December 09, 2015 03:34 PM (ZbV+0)
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Fly-over country loves Trump because he pisses off DC and the media. We in fly-over country hate DC and the media. With Trump ahead now, if we think that something fishy is going on in the GOPe, they had better be able to defend their actions. People are going to be asking lots of uncomfortable questions. And we know how they love to lie.
Posted by: abby at December 09, 2015 03:34 PM (HBU7W)
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I just hope he doesn't get killed.
If the Left was smart, so would they.
They're not. They don't.
If the Left was smart, so would they.
They're not. They don't.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at December 09, 2015 03:34 PM (9krrF)
Posted by: Grump928(c) beating memes to death since 2006 at December 09, 2015 03:34 PM (evdj2)
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@131 "Trump will stand on a debate stage with Hillary Clinton and tell her to her face that she should be in prison.
No one else will."
Spot on.
The meme that Trump is a stalking horse shill for Hillary is wrong.
Cruz can bloody Hillary. Trump will savage her.
No one else will."
Spot on.
The meme that Trump is a stalking horse shill for Hillary is wrong.
Cruz can bloody Hillary. Trump will savage her.
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 09, 2015 03:34 PM (r1fLd)
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check that, the % of americans with a college degree is "more than 30%."
Republicans have more college degrees than liberals, so the cohort of college educated Republican is somewhere around, I don't know, 12-13%.
Republicans have more college degrees than liberals, so the cohort of college educated Republican is somewhere around, I don't know, 12-13%.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2015 03:35 PM (dciA+)
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No, he does not micromanage...
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That's what I've heard and read as well, in fact one of major problems he had in AC beyond just the economy going to shit and other issues was at the casino management level he was doing fine till his top 3 guys all died in a plane accident, it was hard for him to find the right replacements cause at the time he didn't know the day to day ins and outs cause he had delegated so much to them.
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That's what I've heard and read as well, in fact one of major problems he had in AC beyond just the economy going to shit and other issues was at the casino management level he was doing fine till his top 3 guys all died in a plane accident, it was hard for him to find the right replacements cause at the time he didn't know the day to day ins and outs cause he had delegated so much to them.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 09, 2015 03:36 PM (MbrzC)
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Ghost of Kari, good point. The idiot soup encompasses almost all of the public square, and pop culture, and entertainment. It's not just the permissible terms of debate that ace/French identify as a barrier Trump may be denting or breaking.
Yet there are quite a few people who, through luck and life experience and whatever, have not absorbed even a drop of the poison. Well, not so sure about "lucky". It creates this gulf I referred to above.
I don't echo a single bit of the idiocy that now makes up the bulk of public policy discussion in this country. "Climate change" - non-existent and/or unrelated to human activity - and obviously so. "Income inequality" - old, non-issue. "Access to affordable health care" - NOW a problem for many, previously NOT a systemic problem, period. "GDP growth" - this encompasses so much dubious and insane stuff, from massive deficits to zero-based interest rates to questionable national income accounts to huge troubling structural issues (labor participation rate), that it's a subject in itself.
So silence is the normal response when encountering this nonsense from people. Social awkwardness militates against actually delivering the harsh education called for. Plus, most people lack even the tools/rudiments any more to be educated. They are so chock full of mythology, false history, no history etc. that the entire available time/energy would be eaten up just struggling to some base of reality as a starting point.
Ghost of Kari, good point. The idiot soup encompasses almost all of the public square, and pop culture, and entertainment. It's not just the permissible terms of debate that ace/French identify as a barrier Trump may be denting or breaking.
Yet there are quite a few people who, through luck and life experience and whatever, have not absorbed even a drop of the poison. Well, not so sure about "lucky". It creates this gulf I referred to above.
I don't echo a single bit of the idiocy that now makes up the bulk of public policy discussion in this country. "Climate change" - non-existent and/or unrelated to human activity - and obviously so. "Income inequality" - old, non-issue. "Access to affordable health care" - NOW a problem for many, previously NOT a systemic problem, period. "GDP growth" - this encompasses so much dubious and insane stuff, from massive deficits to zero-based interest rates to questionable national income accounts to huge troubling structural issues (labor participation rate), that it's a subject in itself.
So silence is the normal response when encountering this nonsense from people. Social awkwardness militates against actually delivering the harsh education called for. Plus, most people lack even the tools/rudiments any more to be educated. They are so chock full of mythology, false history, no history etc. that the entire available time/energy would be eaten up just struggling to some base of reality as a starting point.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2015 03:36 PM (QDnY+)
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"Am I glad that Trump decided illegal immigration was an issue he was
going to exploit? Yes, but if this nation were so gung ho about that
one and only issue, Democrats would have felt voters' wrath a long time
ago."
i disagree: people have been conditioned to avoid the subjects he raises, and, if they have the temerity to point out the obvious, they are torn to pieces by the SJW mobs, so no one says anything out of fear.
a look at voter turnouts shows many have just given up.
Trump, for all his faults, has opened up the discussion, and in a way that people now feel safe to say "Fuck yes!" i see it everyday here in #Failifornia in random discussions with people i meet in public, many of whom volunteer the subject, and they have been of all sorts of races/sexes/economic status.
going to exploit? Yes, but if this nation were so gung ho about that
one and only issue, Democrats would have felt voters' wrath a long time
ago."
i disagree: people have been conditioned to avoid the subjects he raises, and, if they have the temerity to point out the obvious, they are torn to pieces by the SJW mobs, so no one says anything out of fear.
a look at voter turnouts shows many have just given up.
Trump, for all his faults, has opened up the discussion, and in a way that people now feel safe to say "Fuck yes!" i see it everyday here in #Failifornia in random discussions with people i meet in public, many of whom volunteer the subject, and they have been of all sorts of races/sexes/economic status.
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Posted by: Juicer at December 09, 2015 03:31 PM (wgIhW)
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You made a lot of good points that make sense to me. I don't agree with every thing you wrote, but I do admire the way you wrote it.
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You made a lot of good points that make sense to me. I don't agree with every thing you wrote, but I do admire the way you wrote it.
Posted by: grammie winger, Isaiah 9:6 at December 09, 2015 03:36 PM (dFi94)
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I bet he could build a temple that would make Solomon blush.
Posted by: Methos at December 09, 2015 03:34 PM (ZbV+0)
Only if Jehovah is into dancing girls.
And the slots have to be outside the walls.
Posted by: Methos at December 09, 2015 03:34 PM (ZbV+0)
Only if Jehovah is into dancing girls.
And the slots have to be outside the walls.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Let the Outrage Outlet Plan and Cater Your Holiday Atrocity! at December 09, 2015 03:36 PM (hLRSq)
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Looks like the site fell out of the Overton Window. New Improved Loading - slower than ever!
Posted by: RioBravo at December 09, 2015 03:37 PM (NUqwG)
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"Cruz in the slipstream ready for the slingshot."
Cruz people are dreaming. Cruz has zero shot. Plus he's not even eligible.
Riding Trump's coattails is not a good look for him.
He and his Goldman wife should try for Canada. They like globalists there.
Cruz people are dreaming. Cruz has zero shot. Plus he's not even eligible.
Riding Trump's coattails is not a good look for him.
He and his Goldman wife should try for Canada. They like globalists there.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at December 09, 2015 03:37 PM (kGW+q)
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I find the whole thing very confusing.
Posted by: Thad Buffet at December 09, 2015 03:30 PM
Lemme give you the Cliff's Notes/Poppin' Fresh version:
France closes mosques: "Hey, they're looking after their security interests. Nice going, guys."
Trump advocates stopping Muzzie immigration: "Oh, noes! He's channeling Hitler! Racist H8er!"
Posted by: Thad Buffet at December 09, 2015 03:30 PM
Lemme give you the Cliff's Notes/Poppin' Fresh version:
France closes mosques: "Hey, they're looking after their security interests. Nice going, guys."
Trump advocates stopping Muzzie immigration: "Oh, noes! He's channeling Hitler! Racist H8er!"
Posted by: MrScribbler at December 09, 2015 03:37 PM (ykopX)
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Am I glad that Trump decided illegal immigration was an issue he was going to exploit? Yes, but if this nation were so gung ho about that one and only issue, Democrats would have felt voters' wrath a long time ago.
Maybe. If one of the parties had presented an alternative. As it is, the parties have been Tweedledee and Tweedledum.
Posted by: Grump928(c)
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Obama brought it up in the debates in 2012, and even Trump piled on calling Romney's "self-deportation" plan the main reason he lost.
Voters instinctively know where the parties stand on the issues. They might not always represent them the best way, but if you have a big problem with abortion, you vote Republican. If you're all about more abortion, you vote Democrat.
Immigration is the same. Republicans passed building a fence along the border, Obama and the Democrats stripped funding for it after he was elected. The public yawned and elected Obama again.
I'd love to believe there's this hidden supermajority out there for hard right policies, but I sadly just don't believe it.
If though there was some sort of nationwide vote on building a wall along the Southern border, it would pass easily, but voters don't vote on single issues like that
Maybe. If one of the parties had presented an alternative. As it is, the parties have been Tweedledee and Tweedledum.
Posted by: Grump928(c)
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Obama brought it up in the debates in 2012, and even Trump piled on calling Romney's "self-deportation" plan the main reason he lost.
Voters instinctively know where the parties stand on the issues. They might not always represent them the best way, but if you have a big problem with abortion, you vote Republican. If you're all about more abortion, you vote Democrat.
Immigration is the same. Republicans passed building a fence along the border, Obama and the Democrats stripped funding for it after he was elected. The public yawned and elected Obama again.
I'd love to believe there's this hidden supermajority out there for hard right policies, but I sadly just don't believe it.
If though there was some sort of nationwide vote on building a wall along the Southern border, it would pass easily, but voters don't vote on single issues like that
Posted by: Coolio at December 09, 2015 03:37 PM (QnRLU)
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So yes full repeal of O-care should be axiomatic. But just a start. And breaking up the state-based misregulation that is the key underpinning of insurance oligopolies IS indeed a central issue. Though exactly how that should be addressed is open to debate.
Posted by: rhomboid
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I just think that the train is so far down the tracks (to shift metaphors), that the insurance industry has been largely gutted, to the point that there are only what, 3-5 viable big players (Anthem, Kaiser, Humana, a couple others). And they all sell essentially the same insurance due to mandates. So there IS no market in health insurance. The problem with the trope of "selling insurance across state lines" is that there are not many viable small insurers to comprise an actual market that responds to consumer demand.
Secondly, pricing in the health care industry is totally divorced from any semblance of market reality, for all the reasons you allude to. To the point that re-establishing anything close to a responsive marketplace in actual goods and services is a pipe dream.
The Left does not care about fixing Obamacare. Depending on the make-up of Congress and who occupies the Oval Office in 2017, prepare for cries of "The republicans broke it, we need SINGLE PAYER now!"
Posted by: rhomboid
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I just think that the train is so far down the tracks (to shift metaphors), that the insurance industry has been largely gutted, to the point that there are only what, 3-5 viable big players (Anthem, Kaiser, Humana, a couple others). And they all sell essentially the same insurance due to mandates. So there IS no market in health insurance. The problem with the trope of "selling insurance across state lines" is that there are not many viable small insurers to comprise an actual market that responds to consumer demand.
Secondly, pricing in the health care industry is totally divorced from any semblance of market reality, for all the reasons you allude to. To the point that re-establishing anything close to a responsive marketplace in actual goods and services is a pipe dream.
The Left does not care about fixing Obamacare. Depending on the make-up of Congress and who occupies the Oval Office in 2017, prepare for cries of "The republicans broke it, we need SINGLE PAYER now!"
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 09, 2015 03:37 PM (NeFrd)
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278 Trump at the Dome of the Rock,
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I bet he could build a temple that would make Solomon blush.
"Put the slots over on that wall. The craps tables over here! Moar lights people!"
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I bet he could build a temple that would make Solomon blush.
"Put the slots over on that wall. The craps tables over here! Moar lights people!"
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2015 03:38 PM (DKgtk)
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My survey of college-educated co-workers is surprisingly in favor of closed borders and pro-Trump.
It's not just blue-collar workers anymore.
It's not just blue-collar workers anymore.
Posted by: Irony at December 09, 2015 03:38 PM (c5Luo)
Posted by: Y-not at December 09, 2015 03:38 PM (t5zYU)
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He doesn't need you. He has us.
Posted by: Juicer at December 09, 2015 03:31 PM (wgIhW)
Masturbating in public is a crime, kid.
It's pathetic to read this kind of juvenile drivel from what is ostensibly an adult human being. Like Trump's policies or don't, but do not ever fall into the vein of hero worship and adulation. He is only a man. He will fail you, as every human leader has throughout all human history.
To believe and act otherwise is to prove yourself akin to the platitude-blubbering idiots that gave Obama the presidency in '08 and '12. Self-gratifying hero-searching nonsense. What foolishness.
Posted by: Juicer at December 09, 2015 03:31 PM (wgIhW)
Masturbating in public is a crime, kid.
It's pathetic to read this kind of juvenile drivel from what is ostensibly an adult human being. Like Trump's policies or don't, but do not ever fall into the vein of hero worship and adulation. He is only a man. He will fail you, as every human leader has throughout all human history.
To believe and act otherwise is to prove yourself akin to the platitude-blubbering idiots that gave Obama the presidency in '08 and '12. Self-gratifying hero-searching nonsense. What foolishness.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 09, 2015 03:38 PM (6JL3d)
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grammie! Hi ya.
A little bird told me you're getting married.
I am crushed (I always thought you were married or I would have been "after" you) but at the same time incredibly happy for you. Besides, it goes without saying he's a better man than I.
Prayers and best wishes.
A little bird told me you're getting married.
I am crushed (I always thought you were married or I would have been "after" you) but at the same time incredibly happy for you. Besides, it goes without saying he's a better man than I.
Prayers and best wishes.
Posted by: teej at December 09, 2015 03:38 PM (HddOg)
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>>My grandfather worked at the Torpedo Station as a master toolmaker and machinist from the 1920s through the 50s. (Wish he had passed on some of those abilities to me.) An aunt and my eventual Godmother got their first jobs there after high school as clerk/typists in the 30s. I grew up on The Point and on Mill Street, so Goat Island was never far away. (Of course, this was before the hotel and mooring facility and causeway.) Glad to learn the island isn't just an abandoned shell anymore.
Small world. I had a place on the point for a number of years as well.
If you make it back to the area I'll buy you a 'Gansett.
Small world. I had a place on the point for a number of years as well.
If you make it back to the area I'll buy you a 'Gansett.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 09, 2015 03:38 PM (/tuJf)
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I'm supposed to be wrapping Christmas presents. I can't get anything done with you guys around. Stop being interesting.
Posted by: grammie winger, Isaiah 9:6 at December 09, 2015 03:38 PM (dFi94)
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Posted by: Juicer at December 09, 2015 03:31 PM (wgIhW)
Cut, jib, try not to get banned?
ace isn't the enemy. Although I have no idea how much he makes off this site. But I have been just as baffled as you that the very instrument of the GOP's destruction, the necessary first step for rolling back the socialists, has been delivered in a form more potent than we even dared to hope for - and he isn't good enough. Trump is a tool for achieving a task: exposing the naked emperor and laying bare the sheer scope of theft corruption and deception within leviathan. It is not a policy objective, it's a cultural and philosophical objective.
Now is the time. This is the fight. We are not going to get another chance. Strange bedfellows etc. I cannot comprehend it.
Cut, jib, try not to get banned?
ace isn't the enemy. Although I have no idea how much he makes off this site. But I have been just as baffled as you that the very instrument of the GOP's destruction, the necessary first step for rolling back the socialists, has been delivered in a form more potent than we even dared to hope for - and he isn't good enough. Trump is a tool for achieving a task: exposing the naked emperor and laying bare the sheer scope of theft corruption and deception within leviathan. It is not a policy objective, it's a cultural and philosophical objective.
Now is the time. This is the fight. We are not going to get another chance. Strange bedfellows etc. I cannot comprehend it.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 09, 2015 03:39 PM (xuouz)
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The media looks quite foolish when they call Trump the new Fuhrer, when his actual proposal in context is quite 1) rational 2) legal 3) precedented.
Posted by: california red at December 09, 2015 03:19 PM (q6yxu)
This is what makes Trump and everyone's freakout so enjoyable.
The media looks quite foolish when they call Trump the new Fuhrer, when his actual proposal in context is quite 1) rational 2) legal 3) precedented.
Posted by: california red at December 09, 2015 03:19 PM (q6yxu)
This is what makes Trump and everyone's freakout so enjoyable.
Posted by: rebel flounder at December 09, 2015 03:39 PM (3dOE/)
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If there's one thing the republicans don't lack, it's insufferable twit writers.
There apparently is no shortage of pundits who need to tell us how unsuitable successful billionaires are who have completed innumerable projects, routed out waste and corruption and led others to victory in international business.
These writers have a standard of decorum that allows thieves and liars to proliferate in politics, but calls for the heads anyone who has actually accomplished something in the lives.
God save us from wordsmiths who confuse the ability to write with the ability to think.
There apparently is no shortage of pundits who need to tell us how unsuitable successful billionaires are who have completed innumerable projects, routed out waste and corruption and led others to victory in international business.
These writers have a standard of decorum that allows thieves and liars to proliferate in politics, but calls for the heads anyone who has actually accomplished something in the lives.
God save us from wordsmiths who confuse the ability to write with the ability to think.
Posted by: jwest at December 09, 2015 03:39 PM (Zs4uk)
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The media looks quite foolish when they call Trump the new Fuhrer, when
his actual proposal in context is quite 1) rational 2) legal 3)
precedented.
And according to 8 USC, within the powers the president *already has*.
his actual proposal in context is quite 1) rational 2) legal 3)
precedented.
And according to 8 USC, within the powers the president *already has*.
Posted by: Methos at December 09, 2015 03:39 PM (ZbV+0)
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277 260 If I hear Overton window one more time I'm going to push someone out a window.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at December 09, 2015 03:25 PM (iRZl4)
Hey Farva! What's the name of that restaurant with all the goofy theories the public will accept and mozzarella sticks?
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at December 09, 2015 03:25 PM (iRZl4)
Hey Farva! What's the name of that restaurant with all the goofy theories the public will accept and mozzarella sticks?
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at December 09, 2015 03:39 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at December 09, 2015 03:39 PM (iRZl4)
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I just received an email from Romney & for a donation of "only $59.99" I can receive free copy of his book. I deleted it.
Posted by: Carol at December 09, 2015 03:40 PM (sj3Ax)
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I have bad news for people, and maybe the country: There is no way to stop Trump until "respectable" politicians begin to understand why he's winning and begin destroying the Legacy Failure of leftist mediated political thought themselves.
Exactly. The RINO establishment and their shills and lackeys don't seem to understand why the "Base" and right are fuckin fed up with all their bullshit
Exactly. The RINO establishment and their shills and lackeys don't seem to understand why the "Base" and right are fuckin fed up with all their bullshit
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2015 03:40 PM (DUoqb)
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It's pathetic to read this kind of juvenile drivel from what is ostensibly an adult human being. Like Trump's policies or don't, but do not ever fall into the vein of hero worship and adulation. He is only a man. He will fail you, as every human leader has throughout all human history.
To believe and act otherwise is to prove yourself akin to the platitude-blubbering idiots that gave Obama the presidency in '08 and '12. Self-gratifying hero-searching nonsense. What foolishness.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 09, 2015 03:38 PM (6JL3d)
No, those who resist Trump for aesthetic reasons, in the obviously vain hope that someone more palatable will come along who has the guts and the ability to do what Trump is doing, are the ones pining for a right-wing obama.
To believe and act otherwise is to prove yourself akin to the platitude-blubbering idiots that gave Obama the presidency in '08 and '12. Self-gratifying hero-searching nonsense. What foolishness.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 09, 2015 03:38 PM (6JL3d)
No, those who resist Trump for aesthetic reasons, in the obviously vain hope that someone more palatable will come along who has the guts and the ability to do what Trump is doing, are the ones pining for a right-wing obama.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 09, 2015 03:40 PM (xuouz)
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*throwing a damp blanket on the party*
At no point should we ever stop remembering that there was a country once that was undergoing very tough times economically. And there was upheaval politically due to stagnate and failed policies and those who proposed them.
And a man arose that the masses cheered. Who spoke to them in a manner they could relate to and promised them that they could be great again. And told them that they needed to be strong and stand up against those perceived as enemies. And that with their help and their votes that he would make the country as great as it once was. An economic powerhouse that was beholden to no other country and that shed the shackles placed there by the ignorant and the enemy of this country.
And he won his election even though many thought he was a bit off. And he was true to his word and simplified and reorganized the government such that many great strides were taken on the road back to recovery and almost greatness. But power corrupts and thus the seeds were sown that contained a poison within that every one had ignored.
Can you guess the country and the man?
At no point should we ever stop remembering that there was a country once that was undergoing very tough times economically. And there was upheaval politically due to stagnate and failed policies and those who proposed them.
And a man arose that the masses cheered. Who spoke to them in a manner they could relate to and promised them that they could be great again. And told them that they needed to be strong and stand up against those perceived as enemies. And that with their help and their votes that he would make the country as great as it once was. An economic powerhouse that was beholden to no other country and that shed the shackles placed there by the ignorant and the enemy of this country.
And he won his election even though many thought he was a bit off. And he was true to his word and simplified and reorganized the government such that many great strides were taken on the road back to recovery and almost greatness. But power corrupts and thus the seeds were sown that contained a poison within that every one had ignored.
Can you guess the country and the man?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 09, 2015 03:40 PM (Xo1Rt)
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Prayers and best wishes.
Posted by: teej at December 09, 2015 03:38 PM (HddOg)
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Awwww teej - you're so sweet. Makes me want to get married in my Jordy Nelson jersey.......... Hey !! Why not !!
Posted by: teej at December 09, 2015 03:38 PM (HddOg)
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Awwww teej - you're so sweet. Makes me want to get married in my Jordy Nelson jersey.......... Hey !! Why not !!
Posted by: grammie winger, Isaiah 9:6 at December 09, 2015 03:40 PM (dFi94)
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Also, Kinley Ardal, I think that's probably a teenager, based on the verbiage.
That's how I wrote when I got started on here, although I was a lurker
That's how I wrote when I got started on here, although I was a lurker
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 09, 2015 03:41 PM (xuouz)
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I find myself most aligned with Cruz. But I can't stand the hokey way he talks. It comes off as really insincere, like a car salesman. Which is ironic, because Cruz might be the most sincere of the lot of them.
I'm also done with the "Shining city on the hill" crap. So "Restore the Rekindling of the Promise of the Fire of the Freedom of the Oh Look A Bald Eagle of America" types of slogans don't do much for me.
I'm also done with the "Shining city on the hill" crap. So "Restore the Rekindling of the Promise of the Fire of the Freedom of the Oh Look A Bald Eagle of America" types of slogans don't do much for me.
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Bonus points if Trump personally spraypaints over all the antichristian slogans in that arcade afround the Rock
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 09, 2015 03:41 PM (y6rdx)
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The Hill
Trump stripped of two major titles in Scotland over Muslim ban: http://hill.cm/22AJ2oU
"Lord of the Dance" and.......
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 09, 2015 03:29 PM (kdS6q)
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Have any of these places even remotely considered the "but what if he does actually win?" question. Besides the egg now, the egg later, Trump has a long memory.
Trump stripped of two major titles in Scotland over Muslim ban: http://hill.cm/22AJ2oU
"Lord of the Dance" and.......
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 09, 2015 03:29 PM (kdS6q)
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Have any of these places even remotely considered the "but what if he does actually win?" question. Besides the egg now, the egg later, Trump has a long memory.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 09, 2015 03:41 PM (MbrzC)
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Trump is drawing out a lot of lurkers or newbies here. Lots of new nics.
Posted by: L, Elle at December 09, 2015 03:41 PM (2x3L+)
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"When President Trump appoints Cruz to the Supreme Court, those will be some fun confirmation hearings"
That would be amazing
That would be amazing
Posted by: Lauren at December 09, 2015 03:42 PM (Z/8dZ)
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Trump? Are you kidding? Have you seen his pant creases???
Posted by: David Frum at December 09, 2015 03:42 PM (oVJmc)
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"nonsense, 40% of the country or so has a college degree."
It's more like one-third for a batchelor's degree.
Over 60% have some college past high school, but nearly half don't complete four year degrees
It's more like one-third for a batchelor's degree.
Over 60% have some college past high school, but nearly half don't complete four year degrees
Posted by: Ignoramus at December 09, 2015 03:42 PM (r1fLd)
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Isn't it wonderful that someone like Trump exists? Uninhibited by
outside special interests. Able to thumb his nose as the censors and
gatekeepers in the press. Able to open the Overton Window in a
meaningful way. Remind yourself how you, me and a majority of the
American people were censoring our own words, afraid of being called out
by the Liberal though police. Isn't real freedom of speech a wonderful
thing? Trump has performed a great service.
outside special interests. Able to thumb his nose as the censors and
gatekeepers in the press. Able to open the Overton Window in a
meaningful way. Remind yourself how you, me and a majority of the
American people were censoring our own words, afraid of being called out
by the Liberal though police. Isn't real freedom of speech a wonderful
thing? Trump has performed a great service.
Posted by: moneyrunner at December 09, 2015 03:42 PM (qJ5Lc)
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What is it, 37million plus Americans no longer participating in the labor pool?
I'm pretty sure it's more like 97 million.
I'm pretty sure it's more like 97 million.
Posted by: Methos at December 09, 2015 03:42 PM (ZbV+0)
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Trump has energized the right wing social justice warriors. Who cares if he's a DIABLO, he's making the right people nervous/angry.
Just ignore the fact his favorable/unfavorables.are minus twenty and worse than Hillary's - Trump is unstoppable!
Just ignore the fact his favorable/unfavorables.are minus twenty and worse than Hillary's - Trump is unstoppable!
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at December 09, 2015 03:42 PM (Y25kJ)
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But why does the left always get to have the demagogues?
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Yeah. Every single argument against Trump fails with me because I always think, "golly, everyone else is just as bad or worse on this point". The current crop is so f*cking awful that even giving lip service to something I'd like to see is enough to raise that person above the rest of the pack.
We have reached peak vile, politically.
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Yeah. Every single argument against Trump fails with me because I always think, "golly, everyone else is just as bad or worse on this point". The current crop is so f*cking awful that even giving lip service to something I'd like to see is enough to raise that person above the rest of the pack.
We have reached peak vile, politically.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 09, 2015 03:42 PM (E5UB0)
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Nevergiveup,
That's very well said, but RINOs don't learn!
That's why they're known as The Stupid Party.
That's very well said, but RINOs don't learn!
That's why they're known as The Stupid Party.
Posted by: Carol at December 09, 2015 03:43 PM (sj3Ax)
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252 238: "Don't load the EBT cards once."
Imagine what would go down if hackers messed with the payments.
Either that or some newly appointed bureaucrats made some "mistakes" that caused interruption of welfare benefits...
Hmm. Entirely new worlds of possibilities.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 09, 2015 03:29 PM (UPYPp)
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Google up Matt Brackens "When the Music Stops".
Excellent short story on that VERY topic. Chilling.
Imagine what would go down if hackers messed with the payments.
Either that or some newly appointed bureaucrats made some "mistakes" that caused interruption of welfare benefits...
Hmm. Entirely new worlds of possibilities.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 09, 2015 03:29 PM (UPYPp)
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Google up Matt Brackens "When the Music Stops".
Excellent short story on that VERY topic. Chilling.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2015 03:43 PM (8XRCm)
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Kinda funny seeing the "posse" in chicago on the march trying to get rid of Rahm...Love to see the left eating their own.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2015 03:43 PM (DUoqb)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 09, 2015 03:43 PM (8ZskC)
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Can normal people wrest the levers of government from the freaks without breaking things, or is it too late? I think Trump supporters and Trump sympathizers, whether actual supporters or those in the LIB entertainment-value camp, sense this.
What is it, 37million plus Americans no longer participating in the labor pool?
I don't know about y'all, but if the demographics are what you'd expect they are, that looks like the building blocks of a damn scary insurgency.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at December 09, 2015 03:22 PM (9krrF)
I think it was 90+ Million. The 37 Million I thought was white males.
Can normal people wrest the levers of government from the freaks without breaking things, or is it too late? I think Trump supporters and Trump sympathizers, whether actual supporters or those in the LIB entertainment-value camp, sense this.
What is it, 37million plus Americans no longer participating in the labor pool?
I don't know about y'all, but if the demographics are what you'd expect they are, that looks like the building blocks of a damn scary insurgency.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at December 09, 2015 03:22 PM (9krrF)
I think it was 90+ Million. The 37 Million I thought was white males.
Posted by: rebel flounder at December 09, 2015 03:43 PM (3dOE/)
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If I hear Overton window one more time I'm going to push someone out a window.
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But what about 'liberal fascism' and 'Cloward-Piven'?
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But what about 'liberal fascism' and 'Cloward-Piven'?
Posted by: RioBravo at December 09, 2015 03:43 PM (NUqwG)
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317 Trump is drawing out a lot of lurkers or newbies here. Lots of new nics.
Posted by: L, Elle at December 09, 2015 03:41 PM (2x3L+)
Wasn't ace mentioned again on Rush recently?
Posted by: L, Elle at December 09, 2015 03:41 PM (2x3L+)
Wasn't ace mentioned again on Rush recently?
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at December 09, 2015 03:44 PM (fWAjv)
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A spokesman for Robert Gordon University in Aberdeen said Trump has made
statements throughout his campaign "that are wholly incompatible with
the ethos and values of the university."
Never heard of it. And I am (or rather, was) an academic, and lived not very far away.
statements throughout his campaign "that are wholly incompatible with
the ethos and values of the university."
Never heard of it. And I am (or rather, was) an academic, and lived not very far away.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 09, 2015 03:44 PM (oKE6c)
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Posted by: L, Elle at December 09, 2015 03:41 PM (2x3L+)
And some of them are probably on his campaign payroll.
And some of them are probably on his campaign payroll.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 09, 2015 03:44 PM (No/ki)
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Yo!
Posted by: Yo! at December 09, 2015 03:44 PM (GwIKd)
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So, this Huma documentary --- carpet munching or not?
So, this Huma documentary --- carpet munching or not?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 09, 2015 03:44 PM (iQIUe)
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250 "It's like they're all trying so hard to hurt him with whatever power they think they have over him.
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What's really pissing them off, especially the GOPe types is that they're noticing they may not have quite the amount of 'power' they thought they had. That's what has them scared sh1tless. Despite the latest full court press... the man on the street tends to agree more with trump then this administration or the feckless blowhards screaming about trumps latest comments.
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What's really pissing them off, especially the GOPe types is that they're noticing they may not have quite the amount of 'power' they thought they had. That's what has them scared sh1tless. Despite the latest full court press... the man on the street tends to agree more with trump then this administration or the feckless blowhards screaming about trumps latest comments.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 09, 2015 03:44 PM (MbrzC)
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"The shattering of the window reflects the shattering of the American consensus, and the result will likely be deeper polarization, and even less civility, with further strains on the ties that bind our nation together."
That "consensus" was a false one. It is an illusion caused by only one side being allowed to speak, while anyone who disagrees is told to shut up or lose their job, career, reputation, etc. It is no more legitimate than Saddam Hussein's 97% winning vote totals.
That "consensus" was a false one. It is an illusion caused by only one side being allowed to speak, while anyone who disagrees is told to shut up or lose their job, career, reputation, etc. It is no more legitimate than Saddam Hussein's 97% winning vote totals.
Posted by: despair at December 09, 2015 03:45 PM (VrdxH)
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A wise commenter made this exact point on DrewM.'s Trump thread yesterday. A wise, sexy commenter.
Posted by: CJ at December 09, 2015 03:45 PM (9KqcB)
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check that, the % of americans with a college degree is "more than 30%."
Republicans have more college degrees than liberals, so the cohort of college educated Republican is somewhere around, I don't know, 12-13%.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2015 03:35 PM (dciA+)
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Oh Lord, Ace. I'm guessing your degree isn't in math. You're starting to do math like Meww Meww.
Either that or your humor is too nuanced for me, in which case, I say "Brilliant, well done!"
Republicans have more college degrees than liberals, so the cohort of college educated Republican is somewhere around, I don't know, 12-13%.
Posted by: ace at December 09, 2015 03:35 PM (dciA+)
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Oh Lord, Ace. I'm guessing your degree isn't in math. You're starting to do math like Meww Meww.
Either that or your humor is too nuanced for me, in which case, I say "Brilliant, well done!"
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 09, 2015 03:45 PM (NeFrd)
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Kinda funny seeing the "posse" in chicago on the march trying to get rid of Rahm...Love to see the left eating their own.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2015 03:43 PM (DUoqb)
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Maybe I should hop on the train and head down to City Hall. Might be interesting, and I could do a little Christmas shopping on Michigan Avenue.
Kinda funny seeing the "posse" in chicago on the march trying to get rid of Rahm...Love to see the left eating their own.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2015 03:43 PM (DUoqb)
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Maybe I should hop on the train and head down to City Hall. Might be interesting, and I could do a little Christmas shopping on Michigan Avenue.
Posted by: grammie winger, Isaiah 9:6 at December 09, 2015 03:45 PM (dFi94)
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My bullshit can beat up your bullshit.
Posted by: Citizen Cake at December 09, 2015 03:45 PM (ppaKI)
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>>Have any of these places even remotely considered the "but what if he does actually win?"
They do this to tell *us* not to let him win.
I don't take kindly to foreigners trying to pressure American voters.
They do this to tell *us* not to let him win.
I don't take kindly to foreigners trying to pressure American voters.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 09, 2015 03:45 PM (NOIQH)
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That's very well said, but RINOs don't learn!
That's why they're known as The Stupid Party.
Posted by: Carol at December 09, 2015 03:43 PM (sj3Ax)
Yup...which is why even thought Trump is NOT my guy ( full disclosure- I am a Cruz guy ) I love seeing him shake things up..They need shaking up. And while he often, or usually, says thins inarticulately or over states things or says things that are not necessarily feasible... he is saying shit that many of us believe in part
That's why they're known as The Stupid Party.
Posted by: Carol at December 09, 2015 03:43 PM (sj3Ax)
Yup...which is why even thought Trump is NOT my guy ( full disclosure- I am a Cruz guy ) I love seeing him shake things up..They need shaking up. And while he often, or usually, says thins inarticulately or over states things or says things that are not necessarily feasible... he is saying shit that many of us believe in part
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2015 03:46 PM (DUoqb)
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131 Trump will stand on a debate stage with Hillary Clinton and tell her to her face that she should be in prison.
No one else will.
Posted by: grognard at December 09, 2015 03:03 PM (84WkV)
A Trump v. Hillary debate would truly be a DVR moment. Maybe get a second DVR, just in case the first one craps out.
No one else will.
Posted by: grognard at December 09, 2015 03:03 PM (84WkV)
A Trump v. Hillary debate would truly be a DVR moment. Maybe get a second DVR, just in case the first one craps out.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 09, 2015 03:46 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at December 09, 2015 03:46 PM (C9pBZ)
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Will everyone please stop touching my window?
Posted by: Overton at December 09, 2015 03:46 PM (E5UB0)
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No, those who resist Trump for aesthetic
reasons, in the obviously vain hope that someone more palatable will
come along who has the guts and the ability to do what Trump is doing,
are the ones pining for a right-wing obama.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 09, 2015 03:40 PM (xuouz)
Hardly. One can note Trump's usefulness, as I have done several times before, as a knife to be wielded against the GOP while noting the very obvious truth; the man does not know what he believes past the point of profit and loss.
So be it, that's the kind of leader we're going to get at this point in history. It may well be that he succeeds in rooting out a lot of corruption and waste in the Fed. It may also be that he proves completely incompetent at dealing with a world rolling ever closer to global war.
This is not mere aesthetics, this is the obvious truth that Trump comes off as fly-by-night because that is who he is.
There are pros and cons to everything under the sun. This is immutable truth. It does your cause no good to deny truths that cast your candidate in a negative light; you must make your positive case despite these negatives, not pretend as though they do not exist.
Doing so tells those who are certain that Trump is a madman that they are right. "Look, even his supporters turn into frothing-at-the-mouth madmen! What the hell are we doing electing this buffoon?"
Deal with the world as it is, not as you wish it to be.
No, those who resist Trump for aesthetic
reasons, in the obviously vain hope that someone more palatable will
come along who has the guts and the ability to do what Trump is doing,
are the ones pining for a right-wing obama.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 09, 2015 03:40 PM (xuouz)
Hardly. One can note Trump's usefulness, as I have done several times before, as a knife to be wielded against the GOP while noting the very obvious truth; the man does not know what he believes past the point of profit and loss.
So be it, that's the kind of leader we're going to get at this point in history. It may well be that he succeeds in rooting out a lot of corruption and waste in the Fed. It may also be that he proves completely incompetent at dealing with a world rolling ever closer to global war.
This is not mere aesthetics, this is the obvious truth that Trump comes off as fly-by-night because that is who he is.
There are pros and cons to everything under the sun. This is immutable truth. It does your cause no good to deny truths that cast your candidate in a negative light; you must make your positive case despite these negatives, not pretend as though they do not exist.
Doing so tells those who are certain that Trump is a madman that they are right. "Look, even his supporters turn into frothing-at-the-mouth madmen! What the hell are we doing electing this buffoon?"
Deal with the world as it is, not as you wish it to be.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 09, 2015 03:46 PM (6JL3d)
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If Trump wanted a degree, he'd buy a college.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2015 03:31 PM (DKgtk)
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Come on.. he'd build his own, and issue himself the degree.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2015 03:31 PM (DKgtk)
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Come on.. he'd build his own, and issue himself the degree.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 09, 2015 03:46 PM (MbrzC)
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Boy and His Dog. Saw it over 35 years ago at the "show." Liked it and am getting to view it again. Saw a bit where they are "milking" him. Egads, I didnt remember that part. No wonder this film played so long in SF.
Boy and His Dog. Saw it over 35 years ago at the "show." Liked it and am getting to view it again. Saw a bit where they are "milking" him. Egads, I didnt remember that part. No wonder this film played so long in SF.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 09, 2015 03:46 PM (iQIUe)
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Can you guess the country and the man?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 09, 2015 03:40 PM (Xo1Rt)
I know! You're talking about Peruvia. And obviously the man is Richard Crenna.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 09, 2015 03:40 PM (Xo1Rt)
I know! You're talking about Peruvia. And obviously the man is Richard Crenna.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 09, 2015 03:46 PM (TOk1P)
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Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 09, 2015 03:38 PM (6JL3d)
tell us what you really think!
I agree with the big problem with hero worship and "he's only a man" "Put not your trust in princes, in mortals in whom there is no hope..."
tell us what you really think!
I agree with the big problem with hero worship and "he's only a man" "Put not your trust in princes, in mortals in whom there is no hope..."
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 09, 2015 03:47 PM (No/ki)
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There's a line in Hudson Hawk where Danny Aiello's character says something about, basically, anti-authoritarianism: "I hated cigarettes until I saw my first NO SMOKING sign. Keep off the grass? Let's play soccer." That's how I feel about Trump.
Can't keep out illegals and now we have to give them all citizenship? Fuck that. Build a wall.
We're morally obligated to take in a few hundred thousand Syrian "refugees" because reasons? Fuck that. Shut it down.
It's the complete rejection of the liberal position as reasonable and right.
Somebody wrote a column many years ago talking about the Republicans in Congress and comparing policy to a yardstick, with the Democrats at the zero end and the Republicans at 36 inches. So the Democrats propose something that would give them 32 inches and the Republicans "negotiate" and agree to give the Democrats 18 inches and then they go to the base and say "See? Look! You could have had to give up all 32 inches but instead we negotiated it down to only 18!" and what we've been saying all along is "You asshole should have given them nothing! Our position was zero!"
Trump comes along and shamelessly says "You liberals get zero!" And he says it with that trademark shit-eating smirk.
Absent Trump, we were going to get a choice of two pro-amnesty candidates this time around. Everyone knows it.
Can't keep out illegals and now we have to give them all citizenship? Fuck that. Build a wall.
We're morally obligated to take in a few hundred thousand Syrian "refugees" because reasons? Fuck that. Shut it down.
It's the complete rejection of the liberal position as reasonable and right.
Somebody wrote a column many years ago talking about the Republicans in Congress and comparing policy to a yardstick, with the Democrats at the zero end and the Republicans at 36 inches. So the Democrats propose something that would give them 32 inches and the Republicans "negotiate" and agree to give the Democrats 18 inches and then they go to the base and say "See? Look! You could have had to give up all 32 inches but instead we negotiated it down to only 18!" and what we've been saying all along is "You asshole should have given them nothing! Our position was zero!"
Trump comes along and shamelessly says "You liberals get zero!" And he says it with that trademark shit-eating smirk.
Absent Trump, we were going to get a choice of two pro-amnesty candidates this time around. Everyone knows it.
Posted by: Brewdog at December 09, 2015 03:47 PM (ZgUuK)
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Oh Lord, Ace. I'm guessing your degree isn't in math. You're starting to do math like Meww Meww.
Either that or your humor is too nuanced for me, in which case, I say "Brilliant, well done!"
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 09, 2015 03:45 PM (NeFrd)
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They may only have 12%, but they make it up in volume.
Remember..... 60% of the time, it works every time.
Either that or your humor is too nuanced for me, in which case, I say "Brilliant, well done!"
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 09, 2015 03:45 PM (NeFrd)
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They may only have 12%, but they make it up in volume.
Remember..... 60% of the time, it works every time.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2015 03:47 PM (8XRCm)
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Donald Trump is stripped of honorary degree from Robert Gordon University.
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Is this the Robert Gordon I think it is? Commissioner Robert Gordon?
Does this mean Trump is no longer obligated to respond to the Bat Signal?
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Is this the Robert Gordon I think it is? Commissioner Robert Gordon?
Does this mean Trump is no longer obligated to respond to the Bat Signal?
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 09, 2015 03:47 PM (NeFrd)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 09, 2015 03:47 PM (No/ki)
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Never heard of it. And I am (or rather, was) an academic, and lived not very far away.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 09, 2015 03:44 PM (oKE6c)
In Scotland?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 09, 2015 03:44 PM (oKE6c)
In Scotland?
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at December 09, 2015 03:48 PM (fWAjv)
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That "consensus" was a false one."
Indeed. That's why I chuckle at the occasional aceism about old school "news" - it wasn't. Ever.
Indeed. That's why I chuckle at the occasional aceism about old school "news" - it wasn't. Ever.
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at December 09, 2015 03:48 PM (C9pBZ)
Posted by: jow at December 09, 2015 03:48 PM (MCOBY)
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>>> The Megyn Kellys of this nation take up 75% of TV screen time, but comprise only 1% of ballot-box voters.
nonsense, 40% of the country or so has a college degree.
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It's nonsense to think having a college degree turns you into a megan kelly.
I have a college degree and want no part of her crowd.
nonsense, 40% of the country or so has a college degree.
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It's nonsense to think having a college degree turns you into a megan kelly.
I have a college degree and want no part of her crowd.
Posted by: Methos at December 09, 2015 03:48 PM (ZbV+0)
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By the way a pretty damn small crowd in Chicago? More Cops than "protestors"
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2015 03:49 PM (DUoqb)
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271 When President Trump appoints Cruz to the Supreme Court, those will be some fun confirmation hearings
Posted by: brak at December 09, 2015 03:32 PM (xwPSp)
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I can totally see it being blocked by the Senate... doesn't matter who is in charge. Yes I'm serious.
Posted by: brak at December 09, 2015 03:32 PM (xwPSp)
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I can totally see it being blocked by the Senate... doesn't matter who is in charge. Yes I'm serious.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 09, 2015 03:49 PM (MbrzC)
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Will everyone please stop touching my window?
Posted by: Overton at December 09, 2015 03:46 PM (E5UB0)
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Why??? Does it cause you pane???
Posted by: Overton at December 09, 2015 03:46 PM (E5UB0)
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Why??? Does it cause you pane???
Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2015 03:49 PM (8XRCm)
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349 If Trump wanted a degree, he'd buy a college.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2015 03:31 PM (DKgtk)
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Come on.. he'd build his own, and issue himself the degree.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 09, 2015 03:46 PM (MbrzC)
And it would be yyyyyyyyyyuge.
And spectacular.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2015 03:31 PM (DKgtk)
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Come on.. he'd build his own, and issue himself the degree.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 09, 2015 03:46 PM (MbrzC)
And it would be yyyyyyyyyyuge.
And spectacular.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at December 09, 2015 03:49 PM (fWAjv)
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I would like to point out that many of us were made fun of as being purists and tru-cons here in the past and are now supporting or semi-supporting Trump and the tables are turned. Suddenly, Trump is unacceptable bc he isn't a tru-con.
Posted by: L, Elle at December 09, 2015 03:49 PM (2x3L+)
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Can you guess the country and the man?
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Iraq and Saddam Hussein?
Rhodesia and Robert Mugabe?
Lebanon and a cast of thousands?
Somalia and . . .. hell have they ever had a government?
Uganda and Idi Amin ?
Ethiopia and Haile Selassie .. or maybe the guy who came after ..
Iran and Khomeini?
France and Robespierre?
Nope, I'm drawing a blank.
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Iraq and Saddam Hussein?
Rhodesia and Robert Mugabe?
Lebanon and a cast of thousands?
Somalia and . . .. hell have they ever had a government?
Uganda and Idi Amin ?
Ethiopia and Haile Selassie .. or maybe the guy who came after ..
Iran and Khomeini?
France and Robespierre?
Nope, I'm drawing a blank.
Posted by: Thad Buffet at December 09, 2015 03:50 PM (Nh58q)
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If Trump farted on a picture of Obama his poll numbers would go up. This is about rebellion, not about cognizant policy positions.
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I'm not religious, but that has given me a small taste of what Heaven must be like. I hope someone writes a devotional based on that.
Posted by: zombie
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I'm not religious, but that has given me a small taste of what Heaven must be like. I hope someone writes a devotional based on that.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 09, 2015 03:50 PM (E5UB0)
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Debbie Wasserman Schultz: GOP Presidential Candidates Are Nothing Short Of Un-American
Weasel Zippers
What a cunt...sorry not gong to be PC or non-vulgar anymore. I've had it
Weasel Zippers
What a cunt...sorry not gong to be PC or non-vulgar anymore. I've had it
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2015 03:50 PM (DUoqb)
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363 Will everyone please stop touching my window?
Posted by: Overton at December 09, 2015 03:46 PM (E5UB0)
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Why??? Does it cause you pane???
Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2015 03:49 PM (8XRCm)
Don't be sill-y
I shutter to think of what you started.
Posted by: Overton at December 09, 2015 03:46 PM (E5UB0)
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Why??? Does it cause you pane???
Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2015 03:49 PM (8XRCm)
Don't be sill-y
I shutter to think of what you started.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at December 09, 2015 03:51 PM (fWAjv)
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I'm not religious, but that has given me a small taste of what Heaven must be like.
What has given you a taste of what heaven may be like?
What has given you a taste of what heaven may be like?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 09, 2015 03:52 PM (No/ki)
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Can't help but notice that while the article says the window Is being moved, it can't point to anything other than immigration, since the GOP was saying the same thing about building a wall during Bush 43s admin just a few years ago that's not a hard window to move. Now if Trump moved the window on repealing the 16th amd that's a bandwagon I could jump on.
Posted by: All Teh Meh at December 09, 2015 03:52 PM (5chst)
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tell us what you really think!
I agree with the big problem with hero worship and "he's only a man"
"Put not your trust in princes, in mortals in whom there is no
hope..."
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 09, 2015 03:47 PM (No/ki)
Aye, it is from Scripture that I get that idea. No one except Christ will ever be the hero the world needs; at best they will succeed in cleaning up one or two messes while leaving another set of messes alone, or making them worse.
We must always weigh the gains and losses associated with any decision, any person, any policy that we as humanity make, because we are, every one of us, highly flawed, biased, conflicted mortal beings who do not have the breadth of knowledge and righteousness necessary to make our world a paradise.
At best we will spray some Febreze around the place and maybe lock up some looters. That's realism. o.o I don't think our country cares for realism any longer...
tell us what you really think!
I agree with the big problem with hero worship and "he's only a man"
"Put not your trust in princes, in mortals in whom there is no
hope..."
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 09, 2015 03:47 PM (No/ki)
Aye, it is from Scripture that I get that idea. No one except Christ will ever be the hero the world needs; at best they will succeed in cleaning up one or two messes while leaving another set of messes alone, or making them worse.
We must always weigh the gains and losses associated with any decision, any person, any policy that we as humanity make, because we are, every one of us, highly flawed, biased, conflicted mortal beings who do not have the breadth of knowledge and righteousness necessary to make our world a paradise.
At best we will spray some Febreze around the place and maybe lock up some looters. That's realism. o.o I don't think our country cares for realism any longer...
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 09, 2015 03:52 PM (6JL3d)
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"The public yawned and elected Obama again."
because no one thought Mittens was going to be any different.
same problem with McLame: why bother voting if you're just going to get moar of the same?
because no one thought Mittens was going to be any different.
same problem with McLame: why bother voting if you're just going to get moar of the same?
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 09, 2015 03:52 PM (7+yyM)
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It's nonsense to think having a college degree turns you into a megan kelly.
Posted by: Methos at December 09, 2015 03:48 PM (ZbV+0)
The east coast/media snob thing is an entirely different thing, I agree.
Posted by: Methos at December 09, 2015 03:48 PM (ZbV+0)
The east coast/media snob thing is an entirely different thing, I agree.
Posted by: Lea at December 09, 2015 03:52 PM (lIU4e)
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363 Will everyone please stop touching my window?
Posted by: Overton at December 09, 2015 03:46 PM (E5UB0)
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Why??? Does it cause you pane???
Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2015 03:49 PM (8XRCm)
Don't be sill-y
I shutter to think of what you started.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at December 09, 2015 03:51 PM (fWAjv)
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I will mull it over.
Posted by: Overton at December 09, 2015 03:46 PM (E5UB0)
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Why??? Does it cause you pane???
Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2015 03:49 PM (8XRCm)
Don't be sill-y
I shutter to think of what you started.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at December 09, 2015 03:51 PM (fWAjv)
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I will mull it over.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2015 03:52 PM (8XRCm)
376
Will everyone please stop touching my window?
Posted by: Overton at December 09, 2015 03:46 PM (E5UB0)
Can you try wearing pants???
Posted by: Overton at December 09, 2015 03:46 PM (E5UB0)
Can you try wearing pants???
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at December 09, 2015 03:52 PM (oVJmc)
377
A wise commenter made this exact point on DrewM.'s Trump thread yesterday. A wise, sexy commenter.
Posted by: CJ
Thank you. It's the new slacks. They're tailored and now they drape juuuuust right.
A wise commenter made this exact point on DrewM.'s Trump thread yesterday. A wise, sexy commenter.
Posted by: CJ
Thank you. It's the new slacks. They're tailored and now they drape juuuuust right.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 09, 2015 03:52 PM (kdS6q)
378
Pelosi Calls Congressional Black Congress The Conscious Of the Congress
That would explain a lot.
Weasel Zippers
LMAO
That would explain a lot.
Weasel Zippers
LMAO
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2015 03:52 PM (DUoqb)
379
A Trump v. Hillary debate would truly be a DVR moment. Maybe get a second DVR, just in case the first one craps out.
Posted by: Jay Guevara
__________________
It would be entertaining, but Trump is a shitty debater. I honestly thought Trump was a lot smarter until I heard him in the debates.
the only time I find myself energized by him is when he's talking about illegal immigration because he's not trying to figure out a way to please everyone with his statements.
Posted by: Jay Guevara
__________________
It would be entertaining, but Trump is a shitty debater. I honestly thought Trump was a lot smarter until I heard him in the debates.
the only time I find myself energized by him is when he's talking about illegal immigration because he's not trying to figure out a way to please everyone with his statements.
Posted by: Coolio at December 09, 2015 03:53 PM (QnRLU)
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 09, 2015 03:53 PM (7+yyM)
381
Beat him? Fuck You. Hillary it is. Posted by: Bigby's Green Thumb at December 09, 2015 02:41 PM (3ZtZW)
You present a false dilemma: Trump or Hillary. Trump could lose the early primaries (Cruz is gaining in Iowa)and do what I knew whatTrump was going to do when he announced, which is split off in a third party bid like Perot and then (again like Perot) bleed off enough votes from the Republican candidateso that a Clinton wins. However, he may not bleed off enough votes. The Clintons could lose this time no matter what Trump does.
And that bit about 'marginalizing Trump supporters'? Trump supportersmarginalize themselves every time they act as hisapologists. Trump couldtoss kittens into an industrial meat grinder on live TV and Trump supporters wouldapplaud his form and say the kittens had it coming.
You present a false dilemma: Trump or Hillary. Trump could lose the early primaries (Cruz is gaining in Iowa)and do what I knew whatTrump was going to do when he announced, which is split off in a third party bid like Perot and then (again like Perot) bleed off enough votes from the Republican candidateso that a Clinton wins. However, he may not bleed off enough votes. The Clintons could lose this time no matter what Trump does.
And that bit about 'marginalizing Trump supporters'? Trump supportersmarginalize themselves every time they act as hisapologists. Trump couldtoss kittens into an industrial meat grinder on live TV and Trump supporters wouldapplaud his form and say the kittens had it coming.
Posted by: troyriser at December 09, 2015 03:53 PM (Yi5wO)
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at December 09, 2015 03:53 PM (C9pBZ)
383
It is curtins on all these window puns......
Posted by: Yo! at December 09, 2015 03:54 PM (GwIKd)
384
I think it was 90+ Million. The 37 Million I thought was white males.
That's probably the 37 million I was thinking of.
Think about that, Horde.
Someone will get that support.
Pray it's someone that can at least be pointed in the right direction.
That's probably the 37 million I was thinking of.
Think about that, Horde.
Someone will get that support.
Pray it's someone that can at least be pointed in the right direction.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at December 09, 2015 03:54 PM (9krrF)
385
I don't see Trump as loose erratic "demagogue." Put him in office with advisors, staff rather than spitballing on the campaign trail (where he deliberately shoots for being unrehearsed) and you're going to see coherent, consistent plans, not 180 degree "flip flops" ala ISIS/Putin or us. I also don't see Trump as a guy who will say "screw what all you guys say, here's my idea, do it even if you all think it sucks" nor do I think he's going to surround himself with nothing but panegyrist ass-clowns.
If you're going to talk about taking Trump and the forces that engendered this candidacy seriously, it's going to take more than "the media's more than half right about him BUT..." to show you mean it.
If you're going to talk about taking Trump and the forces that engendered this candidacy seriously, it's going to take more than "the media's more than half right about him BUT..." to show you mean it.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at December 09, 2015 03:54 PM (RtG9B)
386
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 09, 2015 03:52 PM (6JL3d)
Thanks; I always appreciate your posts and wish you had the time to comment like the rest of the addicts here. :^)
Thanks; I always appreciate your posts and wish you had the time to comment like the rest of the addicts here. :^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 09, 2015 03:54 PM (No/ki)
387
Now we're doing window puns. I blame Muldoon even though he had nothing to do with this
Posted by: L, Elle at December 09, 2015 03:55 PM (2x3L+)
388
Why??? Does it cause you pane???"
I'm glazing over with the puns here...
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at December 09, 2015 03:53 PM (C9pBZ)
Ugh, I'm leaving before these window puns get SILLy.
I denounce myself and will show myself the exit.
I'm glazing over with the puns here...
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at December 09, 2015 03:53 PM (C9pBZ)
Ugh, I'm leaving before these window puns get SILLy.
I denounce myself and will show myself the exit.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 09, 2015 03:55 PM (6JL3d)
389
>>because no one thought Mittens was going to be any different.
>>same problem with McLame: why bother voting if you're just going to get moar of the same?
61 million people voted for Romney, a few less for McCain. It's not true that nobody thought they would be the same as Obama, there just happen to be more takers than there are maker these days.
>>same problem with McLame: why bother voting if you're just going to get moar of the same?
61 million people voted for Romney, a few less for McCain. It's not true that nobody thought they would be the same as Obama, there just happen to be more takers than there are maker these days.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 09, 2015 03:55 PM (/tuJf)
390
Hilarious watching Chicago break down. The left wingers vote in left wing democrats, then they take to the streets, then they vote in another left wing democrat and the process repeats lol.
Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at December 09, 2015 03:55 PM (COpZ4)
391
Trump couldtoss kittens into an industrial meat grinder on live TV and Trump supporters wouldapplaud his form and say the kittens had it coming.
Posted by: troyriser at December 09, 2015 03:53 PM (Yi5wO)-
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Illegal alien kittens make great food for desert lizards.
Posted by: troyriser at December 09, 2015 03:53 PM (Yi5wO)-
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Illegal alien kittens make great food for desert lizards.
Posted by: RioBravo at December 09, 2015 03:55 PM (NUqwG)
392
Posted by: Juicer at December 09, 2015 03:31 PM (wgIhW)
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I re-read that comment with the Marine Corps Band playing the Star-Spangled Banner in my mind and ended up with my eyes closed imaging a flyover by Superman and The Legion of Good Guys. It still doesn't make any sense.
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I re-read that comment with the Marine Corps Band playing the Star-Spangled Banner in my mind and ended up with my eyes closed imaging a flyover by Superman and The Legion of Good Guys. It still doesn't make any sense.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 09, 2015 03:55 PM (NeFrd)
393
Can you guess the country and the man?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger
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Oh please. You take a few attributes of both that are in common and then conclude that both men are identical.
That is fallacious. And again, Obama is just a shitty bargain basement version of who you're referring to.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger
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Oh please. You take a few attributes of both that are in common and then conclude that both men are identical.
That is fallacious. And again, Obama is just a shitty bargain basement version of who you're referring to.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 09, 2015 03:55 PM (E5UB0)
394
Why??? Does it cause you pane???"
I'm glazing over with the puns here...
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at December 09, 2015 03:53 PM (C9pBZ)
383 It is curtins on all these window puns......
Posted by: Yo! at December 09, 2015 03:54 PM (GwIKd)
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Are you guys casing me??? Trying to keep me at bay???
I think you're driven by jalousie.
I'm glazing over with the puns here...
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at December 09, 2015 03:53 PM (C9pBZ)
383 It is curtins on all these window puns......
Posted by: Yo! at December 09, 2015 03:54 PM (GwIKd)
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Are you guys casing me??? Trying to keep me at bay???
I think you're driven by jalousie.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2015 03:56 PM (8XRCm)
395
In his NBA career, Doug Overton played in 499 games and scored a total of 2,253 points.
Posted by: CJ at December 09, 2015 03:56 PM (9KqcB)
396
Minor point of order - Trump isn't destroying the Overton Window, he's
using said window, and specifically the tactics of those pressing the
Overton Window against our heads, to hide the fact that at the end of
the day, he's on the left side of it.
That said, we're well and truly terminally boned. In one corner, we
have the Rat-Heavies. In a second we have...the Rat-Lites. In the
third, we have...the guy sent in by Bill Clinton to permanently ensure
that the Rat-Heavies are not merely the de-facto singular party but the
actual singular party.
using said window, and specifically the tactics of those pressing the
Overton Window against our heads, to hide the fact that at the end of
the day, he's on the left side of it.
That said, we're well and truly terminally boned. In one corner, we
have the Rat-Heavies. In a second we have...the Rat-Lites. In the
third, we have...the guy sent in by Bill Clinton to permanently ensure
that the Rat-Heavies are not merely the de-facto singular party but the
actual singular party.
Posted by: steveegg at December 09, 2015 03:56 PM (cL79m)
397
At Thanksgiving dinner I learned that everyone at the table intended to vote for Trump. These are all Democrats or "Democrat-leaning" Independents, in bluest Mass. True, most were blue-collar, but there were also a couple with advanced degrees, mymy. The polls are missing this whole phenomenon.
These are votes that would normally go the Dem candidate, which Hillary is going to have to make up elsewhere. I find it hard to see how she's going to do that --- do you really think those "respectable, middle-class, educated Republicans" you mention will make up the difference? Mother-o'God.
These are votes that would normally go the Dem candidate, which Hillary is going to have to make up elsewhere. I find it hard to see how she's going to do that --- do you really think those "respectable, middle-class, educated Republicans" you mention will make up the difference? Mother-o'God.
Posted by: Trotsky w/a thesis in his headwound at December 09, 2015 03:56 PM (xDEv1)
398
Also, everyone's always worried about Trump bleeding off GOP support, but I'm seeing a lot of support from traditional Democrat groups that have likewise been ignored and abused by their old patrons.
The "Dems against Hillary" may offset the "Cons against GOP". Or maybe even eclipse it.
This does NOT feel like '92 or '96.
The "Dems against Hillary" may offset the "Cons against GOP". Or maybe even eclipse it.
This does NOT feel like '92 or '96.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at December 09, 2015 03:56 PM (9krrF)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 09, 2015 03:57 PM (XtAzU)
400
369
363 Will everyone please stop touching my window?
Posted by: Overton at December 09, 2015 03:46 PM (E5UB0)
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Why??? Does it cause you pane???
Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2015 03:49 PM (8XRCm)
Don't be sill-y
I shutter to think of what you started.
it's all in how you frame the discussion
363 Will everyone please stop touching my window?
Posted by: Overton at December 09, 2015 03:46 PM (E5UB0)
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Why??? Does it cause you pane???
Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2015 03:49 PM (8XRCm)
Don't be sill-y
I shutter to think of what you started.
it's all in how you frame the discussion
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 09, 2015 03:57 PM (7+yyM)
401
I blame Muldoon even though he had nothing to do with this
Posted by: L, Elle
****
I had nothing to do with this.
Posted by: L, Elle
****
I had nothing to do with this.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 09, 2015 03:57 PM (NeFrd)
402
In Scotland?
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at December 09, 2015 03:48 PM (fWAjv)
No, in Europe. Remember how small Europe is: you can be 100 miles away and easily be in another country. London-Berlin is only 500 miles.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at December 09, 2015 03:48 PM (fWAjv)
No, in Europe. Remember how small Europe is: you can be 100 miles away and easily be in another country. London-Berlin is only 500 miles.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 09, 2015 03:57 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at December 09, 2015 03:57 PM (C9pBZ)
404
Thanks; I always appreciate your posts and wish you had the time to comment like the rest of the addicts here. :^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 09, 2015 03:54 PM (No/ki)
o.0 Thank you, that is very kind of you to say. I'd love to lurk more, alas my life is utter chaos from sunrise to sunset and its all I can do to find a few moments to check on the Horde's general status before something else explodes and I'm off to fix something at work or getting dragged along to Lord-only-knows what kind of gaming or real life event.
My hobbies are all dead and gone now... I haven't touched my saxophone in years and I'm pretty sure all my sketchbooks have turned to dust. x_x
Thanks; I always appreciate your posts and wish you had the time to comment like the rest of the addicts here. :^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 09, 2015 03:54 PM (No/ki)
o.0 Thank you, that is very kind of you to say. I'd love to lurk more, alas my life is utter chaos from sunrise to sunset and its all I can do to find a few moments to check on the Horde's general status before something else explodes and I'm off to fix something at work or getting dragged along to Lord-only-knows what kind of gaming or real life event.
My hobbies are all dead and gone now... I haven't touched my saxophone in years and I'm pretty sure all my sketchbooks have turned to dust. x_x
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 09, 2015 03:57 PM (6JL3d)
405
Pelosi Calls Congressional Black Congress The Conscious Of the Congress
That would explain a lot.
Weasel Zippers
LMAO
Posted by: Nevergiveup
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So Pelosi is going to go full Dolezal? She can't afford to do that. Any slight modification to her face, and it will crumble like King Tut's.
That would explain a lot.
Weasel Zippers
LMAO
Posted by: Nevergiveup
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So Pelosi is going to go full Dolezal? She can't afford to do that. Any slight modification to her face, and it will crumble like King Tut's.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 09, 2015 03:57 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at December 09, 2015 03:58 PM (C9pBZ)
407
I had nothing to do with this.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 09, 2015 03:57 PM (NeFrd)
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So.... you were framed???
Perhaps you should sash say out of here.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 09, 2015 03:57 PM (NeFrd)
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So.... you were framed???
Perhaps you should sash say out of here.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2015 03:58 PM (8XRCm)
408
Now is the time. This is the fight. We are not going to get another chance. Strange bedfellows etc. I cannot comprehend it.
Posted by: Ghost of kari
There are many who are deathly afraid of Hillary and are convinced that Trump will deliver the White House for her. I heard Dennis Prager echo this exact sentiment this afternoon.
Posted by: Ghost of kari
There are many who are deathly afraid of Hillary and are convinced that Trump will deliver the White House for her. I heard Dennis Prager echo this exact sentiment this afternoon.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 09, 2015 03:58 PM (FkBIv)
409
Trump is SMOD. That is all.
Posted by: I don't care anymore at December 09, 2015 03:58 PM (x8Wor)
410
Ugh, I'm leaving before these window puns get SILLy.
I denounce myself and will show myself the exit.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 09, 2015 03:55 PM (6JL3d)
Don't think you can just sash-ay out of this.
Ugh, I'm leaving before these window puns get SILLy.
I denounce myself and will show myself the exit.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 09, 2015 03:55 PM (6JL3d)
Don't think you can just sash-ay out of this.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at December 09, 2015 03:58 PM (vgIRn)
411
"I can't express how unsuited Trump is for the presidency"
Even if this is true (which of course it isn't) - it doesn't matter.
No other Republican can get past the MSM. So - it's Trump... or Hillary. I know you guys are play it safe "conservatives" - but, I think you guys would prefer Trump to Hillary?
Even if this is true (which of course it isn't) - it doesn't matter.
No other Republican can get past the MSM. So - it's Trump... or Hillary. I know you guys are play it safe "conservatives" - but, I think you guys would prefer Trump to Hillary?
Posted by: fyscyl clyff at December 09, 2015 03:58 PM (r4pNb)
412
The RINO establishment and their shills and lackeys don't seem to understand why the "Base" and right are fuckin fed up with all their bullshit
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2015 03:40 PM (DUoqb)
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No, they understand it, so much so they've even written memo's about it and ' how to's ' about how to start being 'fake' Trump's. They even know we know they are full of sh1t with all this... they just don't fking care.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2015 03:40 PM (DUoqb)
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No, they understand it, so much so they've even written memo's about it and ' how to's ' about how to start being 'fake' Trump's. They even know we know they are full of sh1t with all this... they just don't fking care.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 09, 2015 03:58 PM (MbrzC)
Posted by: furious at December 09, 2015 03:58 PM (wFwCH)
414
The public yawned and elected Obama again."
because no one thought Mittens was going to be any different.
same problem with McLame: why bother voting if you're just going to get moar of the same?
Posted by: redc1c4
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the idea though that the public really hated something and it was the most important issue ever! but voted for Obama anyway because Romney didn't talk about it enough makes zero sense.
Obama went out of his way to make his open border policies part of his platform, suing AZ for SB 1070, offering drivers licenses, stripping border fence funding, blasting Romney for being too harsh, etc.
This one issue is not going to overcome "Trump the Clown" where we hand him the White House.
because no one thought Mittens was going to be any different.
same problem with McLame: why bother voting if you're just going to get moar of the same?
Posted by: redc1c4
____________
the idea though that the public really hated something and it was the most important issue ever! but voted for Obama anyway because Romney didn't talk about it enough makes zero sense.
Obama went out of his way to make his open border policies part of his platform, suing AZ for SB 1070, offering drivers licenses, stripping border fence funding, blasting Romney for being too harsh, etc.
This one issue is not going to overcome "Trump the Clown" where we hand him the White House.
Posted by: Coolio at December 09, 2015 03:58 PM (QnRLU)
415
That telegraph article in the sidebar about smartphones going away reads more like something Jimmy from South Park would call "sponsored content."
Posted by: Buzzion at December 09, 2015 03:58 PM (Y1WP1)
416
It would be entertaining, but Trump is a shitty debater. I honestly thought Trump was a lot smarter until I heard him in the debates.
the only time I find myself energized by him is when he's talking about illegal immigration because he's not trying to figure out a way to please everyone with his statements.
Posted by: Coolio at December 09, 2015 03:53 PM (QnRLU)
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^ This right here.
the only time I find myself energized by him is when he's talking about illegal immigration because he's not trying to figure out a way to please everyone with his statements.
Posted by: Coolio at December 09, 2015 03:53 PM (QnRLU)
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^ This right here.
Posted by: CJ at December 09, 2015 03:59 PM (9KqcB)
417
stop telling me to vote for the same old shit and this time it will be different. stop demanding i owe you my vote and my loyalty when it is not reciprocal. stop being more afraid of being voted out of office or having to take some flak from the press than doing the right thing. stop lying to me. stop using me. stop making me unsafe.
its not me, its you
stop telling me to vote for the same old shit and this time it will be different. stop demanding i owe you my vote and my loyalty when it is not reciprocal. stop being more afraid of being voted out of office or having to take some flak from the press than doing the right thing. stop lying to me. stop using me. stop making me unsafe.
its not me, its you
Posted by: ThunderB at December 09, 2015 03:59 PM (zOTsN)
418
Crap. Curse you, fixerupper.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at December 09, 2015 03:59 PM (vgIRn)
419
396:"In the third, we have...the guy sent in by Bill Clinton to permanently ensure that the Rat-Heavies are not merely the de-facto singular party but the actual singular party."
With all due apologies to the ettes here...
Bitch, Please!
With all due apologies to the ettes here...
Bitch, Please!
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 09, 2015 03:59 PM (UPYPp)
420
382 Why??? Does it cause you pane???"
I'm glazing over with the puns here...
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at December 09, 2015 03:53 PM (C9pBZ)
My eyes are glassing over.
I'm glazing over with the puns here...
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at December 09, 2015 03:53 PM (C9pBZ)
My eyes are glassing over.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 09, 2015 03:59 PM (oKE6c)
421
"I just received an email from Romney and for a donation of 'only $59.99' I can receive free copy of his book. I deleted it."
Romney's book?
_101100101110110011000011011000111110101101_?
It's a real page-turner, I can tell you. I stayed up all night.
Romney's book?
_101100101110110011000011011000111110101101_?
It's a real page-turner, I can tell you. I stayed up all night.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 09, 2015 03:59 PM (noWW6)
422
"395 In his NBA career, Doug Overton played in 499 games and scored a total of 2,253 points."
I saw him up close and personal when LaSalle came to play my little college. He was unreal.
I saw him up close and personal when LaSalle came to play my little college. He was unreal.
Posted by: Benji Carver at December 09, 2015 03:59 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: fyscyl clyff at December 09, 2015 03:59 PM (r4pNb)
424
Can some one confirm this?:
"Oh I heard about that. Canadian strip clubs allow two knuckles of penetration right?"
Where's andycannuck?
Can some one confirm this?:
"Oh I heard about that. Canadian strip clubs allow two knuckles of penetration right?"
Where's andycannuck?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 09, 2015 03:59 PM (iQIUe)
425
Hardly. One can note Trump's usefulness, as I have
done several times before, as a knife to be wielded against the GOP
while noting the very obvious truth; the man does not know what he believes past the point of profit and loss.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 09, 2015 03:46 PM (6JL3d)
I could argue that the ultimate Crony Capitalist, with his 4 bankruptcies, doesn't even know that.
done several times before, as a knife to be wielded against the GOP
while noting the very obvious truth; the man does not know what he believes past the point of profit and loss.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 09, 2015 03:46 PM (6JL3d)
I could argue that the ultimate Crony Capitalist, with his 4 bankruptcies, doesn't even know that.
Posted by: steveegg at December 09, 2015 03:59 PM (cL79m)
426
Broken window must get Krugman excited. Expect an article soon.
Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at December 09, 2015 04:00 PM (gjGXC)
427
So you're sash - aying out of here?
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at December 09, 2015 03:57 PM (C9pBZ)
That particular pun really blindsided me. I need to channel more creative impulses into these puns and latch onto something good.
I'm gonna get shot sooner or later...
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at December 09, 2015 03:57 PM (C9pBZ)
That particular pun really blindsided me. I need to channel more creative impulses into these puns and latch onto something good.
I'm gonna get shot sooner or later...
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 09, 2015 04:00 PM (6JL3d)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at December 09, 2015 04:00 PM (9krrF)
429
stop being such a pussy, GOPe
Posted by: ThunderB at December 09, 2015 04:00 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2015 04:00 PM (ODxAs)
431
Boy and His Dog. Saw it over 35 years ago at the "show." Liked it and am getting to view it again. Saw a bit where they are "milking" him. Egads, I didnt remember that part. No wonder this film played so long in SF.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 09, 2015 03:46 PM (iQIUe)
She did have good taste!
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 09, 2015 03:46 PM (iQIUe)
She did have good taste!
Posted by: blaster at December 09, 2015 04:00 PM (2Ocf1)
432
>>Trump is not going to "lose" -- passive voice. Someone will have to actually beat Trump, and no one's going to beat him by simply regurgitating the leftist-enforced Polite Company Conservative line.
And every passing day they don't, they further prove they are too stupid to run a lemonade stand much less a country. Trump ain't the answer, but without an answer, he'll do. I refuse to have more of the same.
And every passing day they don't, they further prove they are too stupid to run a lemonade stand much less a country. Trump ain't the answer, but without an answer, he'll do. I refuse to have more of the same.
Posted by: dogfish at December 09, 2015 04:00 PM (0O2Lr)
433
Why couldn't Trump make just as strong a point about Muslim immigration where he would get just as much support if not more without the pushback. If he would have proposed limiting Muslim immigration with exceptions for those that have put their lives on the line to help us or those that are in danger for trying to reform Islam , etc he would have avoided much of the negative eleventy pushback. And it's not because he's playing three dimensional chess.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at December 09, 2015 04:00 PM (iRZl4)
434
Crap. Curse you, fixerupper.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at December 09, 2015 03:59 PM (vgIRn)
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HAH!!! Youre such a mutin head. No wonder you get yourself into these jambs.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at December 09, 2015 03:59 PM (vgIRn)
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HAH!!! Youre such a mutin head. No wonder you get yourself into these jambs.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2015 04:01 PM (8XRCm)
435
I would prefer a more conservative candidate to Trump but without immigration restrictions there will be no more conservative candidates.
Posted by: CJ at December 09, 2015 04:01 PM (9KqcB)
436
"And if Trump goes down in a blaze of glory..."
...Hillary! and her droogies will be left to squat atop the rubble.
...Hillary! and her droogies will be left to squat atop the rubble.
Posted by: furious at December 09, 2015 04:01 PM (wFwCH)
437
The Laffer Curve, as others noted, is a great example of governing on leftist terms. Shifting towards a growth-maximizing tax code instead of a revenue-maximizing scheme still is in the realm of accomplishing statist goals if the purpose is just to fatten the economy for eventual slaughter. The goal instead has to be to shrink government for the sake of promoting freedom.
Posted by: Jonathan Ellis at December 09, 2015 04:01 PM (2Q0gh)
438
In sad news, the creator of Nutella has died. Let us all have a moment of silence and appreciation for his delicious creation.
Posted by: Lauren at December 09, 2015 04:01 PM (Z/8dZ)
439
stop telling me to vote for the same old shit and this time it will be different. stop demanding i owe you my vote and my loyalty when it is not reciprocal. stop being more afraid of being voted out of office or having to take some flak from the press than doing the right thing. stop lying to me. stop using me. stop making me unsafe.
its not me, its you
Posted by: ThunderB
Game. Set. Match.
Bravo.
its not me, its you
Posted by: ThunderB
Game. Set. Match.
Bravo.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2015 04:01 PM (DKgtk)
440
Pelosi Calls Congressional Black Congress The Conscious Of the Congress
That would explain a lot.
Weasel Zippers
LMAO
Posted by: Nevergiveup
Alcee Hasting is the Conscience of the Congress? I guess he only got impeached and removed from the Federal bench once.
Hank Johnson must be the Intellect of the Congress.
That would explain a lot.
Weasel Zippers
LMAO
Posted by: Nevergiveup
Alcee Hasting is the Conscience of the Congress? I guess he only got impeached and removed from the Federal bench once.
Hank Johnson must be the Intellect of the Congress.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 09, 2015 04:01 PM (oKE6c)
441
I could argue that the ultimate Crony Capitalist, with his 4 bankruptcies, doesn't even know that.
Posted by: steveegg at December 09, 2015 03:59 PM (cL79m)
Counterpoint well made. This is the kind of negative point that Trump and his supporters must reason their way past; pretending as though it is simply an unfounded attack on The Future Leader Of America lights more red flags than a teenager stumbling through the door at five AM on prom night.
Posted by: steveegg at December 09, 2015 03:59 PM (cL79m)
Counterpoint well made. This is the kind of negative point that Trump and his supporters must reason their way past; pretending as though it is simply an unfounded attack on The Future Leader Of America lights more red flags than a teenager stumbling through the door at five AM on prom night.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 09, 2015 04:02 PM (6JL3d)
442
Actually - that's a real question...
Would Ace prefer Hill or Trump?
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Can't you prefer none of the above.
Would Ace prefer Hill or Trump?
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Can't you prefer none of the above.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2015 04:02 PM (gmeXX)
443
Hmm. Getting into a jamb, we are...
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at December 09, 2015 04:02 PM (C9pBZ)
444
@397
That is the one anecdote that bothers me the most. Trump could actually win this on the GOP side and turn out to be more of a democrat than Hillary. (Hillary would just be a crook.)
And the democrat party, the media would just go nutz, and then what would Trump do? I have no idea.
Would Trump fight back against the unions like Christie the Large? Or Walker the Slender?
What is Trump's position on the recent 'FinRegs' and the home mortgage debacle? Hell, who knows? Nobody is asking.
@397
That is the one anecdote that bothers me the most. Trump could actually win this on the GOP side and turn out to be more of a democrat than Hillary. (Hillary would just be a crook.)
And the democrat party, the media would just go nutz, and then what would Trump do? I have no idea.
Would Trump fight back against the unions like Christie the Large? Or Walker the Slender?
What is Trump's position on the recent 'FinRegs' and the home mortgage debacle? Hell, who knows? Nobody is asking.
Posted by: Thad Buffet at December 09, 2015 04:02 PM (Nh58q)
445
Trump supportersmarginalize themselves every time they act as hisapologists. Trump couldtoss kittens into an industrial meat grinder on live TV and Trump supporters wouldapplaud his form and say the kittens had it coming.
Posted by: troyriser
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Not true. Look at the supporters here. Our apologetic (similar to ace's point) is only that everyone else is so awful that even through Trump only pays lip service to certain causes, and no one has confidence he will follow up, that is still better than anyone else out there.
Hardly the same thing as Hildebeest worship.
Posted by: troyriser
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Not true. Look at the supporters here. Our apologetic (similar to ace's point) is only that everyone else is so awful that even through Trump only pays lip service to certain causes, and no one has confidence he will follow up, that is still better than anyone else out there.
Hardly the same thing as Hildebeest worship.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 09, 2015 04:03 PM (E5UB0)
446
Agreed jwest.
Posted by: william at December 09, 2015 04:03 PM (cwAFZ)
447
And now I see anon a mouse screened us both out.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at December 09, 2015 04:03 PM (vgIRn)
448
With all due apologies to the ettes here...
Bitch, Please!
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 09, 2015 03:59 PM (UPYPp)
You probably still believe that the character Stephen Colbert portrayed before he went to CBS is conservative.
Bitch, Please!
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 09, 2015 03:59 PM (UPYPp)
You probably still believe that the character Stephen Colbert portrayed before he went to CBS is conservative.
Posted by: steveegg at December 09, 2015 04:03 PM (cL79m)
449
That telegraph article in the sidebar about
smartphones going away reads more like something Jimmy from South Park
would call "sponsored content."
Posted by: Buzzion at December 09, 2015 03:58 PM (Y1WP1)
It's also yet another case of a headline not corresponding to the actual article. The headline says a study claims smartphones will die out within five years, while the article concerns a survey of consumers, a majority of whom believe that artificial intelligence will replace smartphones.
smartphones going away reads more like something Jimmy from South Park
would call "sponsored content."
Posted by: Buzzion at December 09, 2015 03:58 PM (Y1WP1)
It's also yet another case of a headline not corresponding to the actual article. The headline says a study claims smartphones will die out within five years, while the article concerns a survey of consumers, a majority of whom believe that artificial intelligence will replace smartphones.
Posted by: An Inanimate Carbon Rod at December 09, 2015 04:04 PM (FohCt)
450
Y'all are a bunch of right wing Jacobins.
Posted by: Begoniez at December 09, 2015 04:04 PM (E5UB0)
451
These window puns are so transparent
Posted by: Yo! at December 09, 2015 04:04 PM (GwIKd)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 09, 2015 04:04 PM (NeFrd)
453
Even if you cut govt, you still should find the peak of the Laffer curve because of the debt. But if govt is not cut, tax rates may as well be 0% and fund everything with the fed debt until it collapses. At this point there is no need for taxes at all.
Even if you cut govt, you still should find the peak of the Laffer curve because of the debt. But if govt is not cut, tax rates may as well be 0% and fund everything with the fed debt until it collapses. At this point there is no need for taxes at all.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 09, 2015 04:04 PM (ODxAs)
454
Debbie Wasserman Schultz: GOP Presidential Candidates Are Nothing Short Of Un-American
Whereas the Democrat candidates are anti-American.
I love lectures on who is and who isn't American coming from a Communist apparatchik.
Whereas the Democrat candidates are anti-American.
I love lectures on who is and who isn't American coming from a Communist apparatchik.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 09, 2015 04:05 PM (oKE6c)
455
Would Ace prefer Hill or Trump?
Posted by: fyscyl clyff
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I can't speak for Ace, but I do find it funny that the same people that want to make this "how dare you not support a possible Donald Trump primary winner!" point are the same exact people that will tell you with glee that they would vote for Hillary over Rubio.
As for me, no question I vote for Trump over Hillary, I would actually love to see him smash up the open border policies of the last 30 years, but I really have no question it would just mean a Hillary Presidency if Trump were nominated, likely for 8 years as Presidents rarely lose reelection.
Posted by: fyscyl clyff
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I can't speak for Ace, but I do find it funny that the same people that want to make this "how dare you not support a possible Donald Trump primary winner!" point are the same exact people that will tell you with glee that they would vote for Hillary over Rubio.
As for me, no question I vote for Trump over Hillary, I would actually love to see him smash up the open border policies of the last 30 years, but I really have no question it would just mean a Hillary Presidency if Trump were nominated, likely for 8 years as Presidents rarely lose reelection.
Posted by: Coolio at December 09, 2015 04:05 PM (QnRLU)
456
HAH!!! Youre such a mutin head. No wonder you get yourself into these jambs.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2015 04:01 PM (8XRCm)
Well...
HAH!!! Youre such a mutin head. No wonder you get yourself into these jambs.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2015 04:01 PM (8XRCm)
Well...
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at December 09, 2015 04:05 PM (vgIRn)
457
The talk about the Overton Window is apt because I believe we're seeing the peak of the pervasive liberal mentality -- I don't know about anyone else, but on my social media it's as though the liberals and the mildly conservative types are almost daring anyone to come out and say they're for Trump.
That window is shifting by the hour. None of the other candidates have answers. Attacking Trump does not provide solutions.
People are not going to suddenly decide that the most important things going on in this country are climate change and how best to confiscate guns. These are issues that the establishment candidates want to run on. The people are failing to cooperate. Oddly, scolding them hasn't worked well.
That window is shifting by the hour. None of the other candidates have answers. Attacking Trump does not provide solutions.
People are not going to suddenly decide that the most important things going on in this country are climate change and how best to confiscate guns. These are issues that the establishment candidates want to run on. The people are failing to cooperate. Oddly, scolding them hasn't worked well.
Posted by: Brewdog at December 09, 2015 04:05 PM (ZgUuK)
458
It's not that the rino establishment doesn't get why we're ticked off. They. Don't. Care.
Globalist, NWO, fascists to the core. All of them.
Forget their America and freedom loving rhetoric, those that even bother to speak it.
And this includes Cruz. Don't believe me? For a primer check out the "Ted Cruz, Henry Kissinger and the Globalists" article at News With Views.
That'll get ya started.
Globalist, NWO, fascists to the core. All of them.
Forget their America and freedom loving rhetoric, those that even bother to speak it.
And this includes Cruz. Don't believe me? For a primer check out the "Ted Cruz, Henry Kissinger and the Globalists" article at News With Views.
That'll get ya started.
Posted by: teej at December 09, 2015 04:05 PM (HddOg)
459
As if he GAF about some honorary degree.
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You'll never be able to put that on your resume again, Mr. Trump! Take that!!
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You'll never be able to put that on your resume again, Mr. Trump! Take that!!
Posted by: Bigby's Green Thumb at December 09, 2015 04:05 PM (3ZtZW)
460
"....I honestly thought Trump was a lot smarter until I heard him in the debates."
Trump is the smartest debater in a long, long time for our side.
He knows enough to make the press the enemy and to never, never apologize.
That makes him smarter than 99.999% of the people we had run for office. it doesn't matter how much someone knows about individual subjects, if they can't master the basics, they are idiots.
Trump is the smartest debater in a long, long time for our side.
He knows enough to make the press the enemy and to never, never apologize.
That makes him smarter than 99.999% of the people we had run for office. it doesn't matter how much someone knows about individual subjects, if they can't master the basics, they are idiots.
Posted by: jwest at December 09, 2015 04:05 PM (Zs4uk)
461
To those who think Trump will throw the fight against Hillary, I don't think that is true.
Trump has a massive ego. He wants to be remembered as a winner at all times. He doesn't want to go down in history as the loud mouth who lost to Hillary.
Whether he would win or lose, I don't know, but a guy like that wants to win at the very least, even if it is just for personal vanity.
Trump has a massive ego. He wants to be remembered as a winner at all times. He doesn't want to go down in history as the loud mouth who lost to Hillary.
Whether he would win or lose, I don't know, but a guy like that wants to win at the very least, even if it is just for personal vanity.
Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at December 09, 2015 04:05 PM (COpZ4)
462
if the rest of them were not such pussies there would be no Trump. Even Cruz. Has a good idea, he brings it up, it gets voted down by leadership, and he quits. The left never quits. ever. even if it takes years
Posted by: ThunderB at December 09, 2015 04:05 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at December 09, 2015 04:05 PM (C9pBZ)
464
433 Why couldn't Trump make just as strong a point about Muslim immigration where he would get just as much support if not more without the pushback. If he would have proposed limiting Muslim immigration with exceptions for those that have put their lives on the line to help us or those that are in danger for trying to reform Islam , etc he would have avoided much of the negative eleventy pushback. And it's not because he's playing three dimensional chess.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky
don't be naive. the msm would have reacted exactly the same.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky
don't be naive. the msm would have reacted exactly the same.
Posted by: x at December 09, 2015 04:05 PM (57fhp)
465
Trump couldtoss kittens into an industrial meat grinder on live TV and Trump supporters wouldapplaud his form and say the kittens had it coming.
Posted by: troyriser at December 09, 2015 03:53 PM (Yi5wO)-
Glenn "Instapundit' Reynolds is a notorious advocate of the "puppy smoothie".
Posted by: troyriser at December 09, 2015 03:53 PM (Yi5wO)-
Glenn "Instapundit' Reynolds is a notorious advocate of the "puppy smoothie".
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Let the Outrage Outlet Plan and Cater Your Holiday Atrocity! at December 09, 2015 04:05 PM (hLRSq)
466
#414, etc... people who routinely don't bother voting didn't turn out in in 08 or 12 for the GOPe because they didn't see anything worth bothering over.
OTOH, the Free Shit Army showed up in droves for Obola, for all the obvious reasons, and he won both times
the problem with "electable" conservative candidates is that no one is excited to vote for them, and the party hacks can't carry the day w/o the base that doesn't see much difference between 18 and 36.
OTOH, the Free Shit Army showed up in droves for Obola, for all the obvious reasons, and he won both times
the problem with "electable" conservative candidates is that no one is excited to vote for them, and the party hacks can't carry the day w/o the base that doesn't see much difference between 18 and 36.
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 09, 2015 04:05 PM (7+yyM)
Posted by: Sheila Jackson-Lee at December 09, 2015 04:06 PM (NOIQH)
468
While I'm a Cruz guy, I love that Trump is the bull in the china shop of liberal pieties.
He really is a Breitbart candidate. I can see him walking right up to Hillary's! podium, kicking over her walker, and start berating her supporters for being slack-jawed half-wits. And they would love it!
He really is a Breitbart candidate. I can see him walking right up to Hillary's! podium, kicking over her walker, and start berating her supporters for being slack-jawed half-wits. And they would love it!
Posted by: Iblis at December 09, 2015 04:06 PM (9221z)
469
I'd vote for the weasel on top of Trump's head before I'd vote for that witch.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at December 09, 2015 04:06 PM (iRZl4)
470
I sure picked the wrong time to drop out of the race.
Posted by: Jim Webb at December 09, 2015 04:06 PM (zZIKl)
471
In sad news, the creator of Nutella has died. Let us all have a moment of silence and appreciation for his delicious creation.
Posted by: Lauren at December 09, 2015 04:01 PM (Z/8dZ)
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Never had it. I'm not a snack snob, I just don't remember anyone eating it in Philadelphia. Will they still make it or did he have the only recipe?
Posted by: Lauren at December 09, 2015 04:01 PM (Z/8dZ)
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Never had it. I'm not a snack snob, I just don't remember anyone eating it in Philadelphia. Will they still make it or did he have the only recipe?
Posted by: CJ at December 09, 2015 04:06 PM (9KqcB)
472
What is this? December 9th? Primaries start in January, no? Then we have a couple of months of kicking each others' teeth in till we have a nominee, right? Then the campaign and the general election in roughly 11 months.
Jimminy Christmas I don't think I can stand it.
Jimminy Christmas I don't think I can stand it.
Posted by: grammie winger, Isaiah 9:6 at December 09, 2015 04:06 PM (dFi94)
473
448: "You probably still believe that the character Stephen Colbert portrayed before he went to CBS is conservative."
I've never watched the show. Haven't watched either of those channels for a number of years.
Your understanding of what I believe is....limited.
But I'm sure you have a nice truck.
I've never watched the show. Haven't watched either of those channels for a number of years.
Your understanding of what I believe is....limited.
But I'm sure you have a nice truck.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 09, 2015 04:06 PM (UPYPp)
474
311 Can you guess the country and the man?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 09, 2015 03:40 PM (Xo1Rt)
AH and Deutschland?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 09, 2015 03:40 PM (Xo1Rt)
AH and Deutschland?
Posted by: rebel flounder at December 09, 2015 04:07 PM (3dOE/)
475
The window puns are driving me to the ledge
Posted by: L, Elle at December 09, 2015 04:07 PM (2x3L+)
476
Enough with the stupid Window puns already.
Posted by: Bill Gates at December 09, 2015 04:07 PM (E5UB0)
477
464 433 Why couldn't Trump make just as strong a point about Muslim immigration where he would get just as much support if not more without the pushback. If he would have proposed limiting Muslim immigration with exceptions for those that have put their lives on the line to help us or those that are in danger for trying to reform Islam , etc he would have avoided much of the negative eleventy pushback. And it's not because he's playing three dimensional chess.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky
don't be naive. the msm would have reacted exactly the same.
They would have half quoted and come up with worse.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky
don't be naive. the msm would have reacted exactly the same.
They would have half quoted and come up with worse.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2015 04:07 PM (DKgtk)
478
Broken window must get Krugman excited. Expect an article soon.
Posted by: Man from Wazzustan
He'd really get stoked if some aliens from outer space came and broke some windows.
Posted by: Man from Wazzustan
He'd really get stoked if some aliens from outer space came and broke some windows.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 09, 2015 04:07 PM (FkBIv)
479
I find it hard to believe that Catholics from N. Ireland did not receive a lot of extra vetting, or even denilal, during the the years of "the doubles."
Posted by: bergerbilder at December 09, 2015 04:07 PM (IeXP9)
480
BREAKING NEWS: San Bernardino - Officials tell CNN, neighbor Enrique Marquez who supplied farook with weapons involved in 2012 terror plot.
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Ruh Rho, does this make it officially a "cell" yet? Or as the MSM tells it - 'individually radicalized Muslims'.
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Ruh Rho, does this make it officially a "cell" yet? Or as the MSM tells it - 'individually radicalized Muslims'.
Posted by: Stay out da bushes at December 09, 2015 04:07 PM (yioUz)
481
These Window puns are X-Cruciating.
Posted by: Bob Scheiffler at December 09, 2015 04:08 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: JackStraw at December 09, 2015 04:08 PM (/tuJf)
483
Gotta say - I'm liking the new policy. I posted a few potentially controversial items and was not told how how much of a fuck-face loser deuce-bag I am.
Refreshing.
Refreshing.
Posted by: fyscyl clyff at December 09, 2015 04:08 PM (r4pNb)
484
Hardly. One can note Trump's usefulness, as I have done several times before, as a knife to be wielded against the GOP while noting the very obvious truth; the man does not know what he believes past the point of profit and loss.
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Deal with the world as it is, not as you wish it to be.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 09, 2015 03:46 PM (6JL3d)
This is a feature. I don't want him concerned with anything past profit and loss. I don't want an explanation of conservative values, I don't want philosophical apologia disguised as a policy speech, I don't want a crusade to redefine or fundamentally transform government. I want numbers, objectives, processes, and results. I want to see people fired and new people hired for a specific purpose beyond basking in the glow of their most reverend sinecure, and I want to see them shitcanned if they don't meet that purpose.
I am the one dealing with the world as it is. I thought Obama had no shot in 2012, and that Romney would trounce him. I have no such illusions about this race, and everyone except Trump is demonstrating low numbers, classic "otherized Republican" personas, and zero traction with my liberal friends. The republican brand is so toxic that Hillary Clinton has a serious shot to win the presidency.
I reiterate: claiming to both enjoy and agree with Trump's positions, but rejecting him as a viable candidate (for reasons that are never articulated beyond "he's a crazy buffoon"), is allowing your aesthetic preferences to overrule your reason.
...
Deal with the world as it is, not as you wish it to be.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 09, 2015 03:46 PM (6JL3d)
This is a feature. I don't want him concerned with anything past profit and loss. I don't want an explanation of conservative values, I don't want philosophical apologia disguised as a policy speech, I don't want a crusade to redefine or fundamentally transform government. I want numbers, objectives, processes, and results. I want to see people fired and new people hired for a specific purpose beyond basking in the glow of their most reverend sinecure, and I want to see them shitcanned if they don't meet that purpose.
I am the one dealing with the world as it is. I thought Obama had no shot in 2012, and that Romney would trounce him. I have no such illusions about this race, and everyone except Trump is demonstrating low numbers, classic "otherized Republican" personas, and zero traction with my liberal friends. The republican brand is so toxic that Hillary Clinton has a serious shot to win the presidency.
I reiterate: claiming to both enjoy and agree with Trump's positions, but rejecting him as a viable candidate (for reasons that are never articulated beyond "he's a crazy buffoon"), is allowing your aesthetic preferences to overrule your reason.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 09, 2015 04:08 PM (xuouz)
485
come in off the ledge. Trump isnt the end of the world.
Posted by: ThunderB at December 09, 2015 04:08 PM (zOTsN)
486
Even Bibi blasted Trump for His muslim remarks..... It's time for the Donald to "clarify."
Posted by: donna at December 09, 2015 04:09 PM (/dSsq)
487
Never had it. I'm not a snack snob, I just don't remember anyone eating it in Philadelphia. Will they still make it or did he have the only recipe?
Posted by: CJ
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I had never heard of it until a year or so ago. Mrs. H bought a jar of the stuff. To me, it tastes like liquified Hershey bar. Waaay too sweet for me.
Posted by: CJ
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I had never heard of it until a year or so ago. Mrs. H bought a jar of the stuff. To me, it tastes like liquified Hershey bar. Waaay too sweet for me.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2015 04:09 PM (9mTYi)
488
#462 Exactly. They devote decades to their narrative. For example, there's a new movie coming out, Trumbo, about a Leftist screenwriter "damaged" by McCarthy. Joe has been dead for decades, but, they never ever miss a chance to rewrite the narrative and piss on Joe's grave.
BTW, McCarthy was correct about Communism and Communist sympathizers for all the good it did him.
BTW, McCarthy was correct about Communism and Communist sympathizers for all the good it did him.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes now franchising Lulu Snackbars at December 09, 2015 04:09 PM (kXoT0)
489
The bankruptcies don't matter to me. I have known several guys (and one woman) who have made fortunes, lost them, made new ones, lost those, and so on.
I, on the other hand, never had such ambition, I never declared bankruptcy, but I never really rolled the dice either.
I, on the other hand, never had such ambition, I never declared bankruptcy, but I never really rolled the dice either.
Posted by: navybrat at December 09, 2015 04:10 PM (ETxiG)
490
Enough with the stupid Window puns already.
Posted by: Bill Gates at December 09, 2015 04:07 PM (E5UB0)
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Fair enough. But Looking out..... I have such a wonderful view of the Vista.
Posted by: Bill Gates at December 09, 2015 04:07 PM (E5UB0)
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Fair enough. But Looking out..... I have such a wonderful view of the Vista.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2015 04:10 PM (8XRCm)
491
483 Gotta say - I'm liking the new policy. I posted a few potentially controversial items and was not told how how much of a fuck-face loser deuce-bag I am.
Refreshing.
Posted by: fyscyl clyff at December 09, 2015 04:08 PM (r4pNb)
You shut your whore mouth!
Refreshing.
Posted by: fyscyl clyff at December 09, 2015 04:08 PM (r4pNb)
You shut your whore mouth!
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 09, 2015 04:10 PM (xuouz)
492
Even Bibi blasted Trump for His muslim remarks..... It's time for the Donald to "clarify."
Posted by: donna at December 09, 2015 04:09 PM (/dSsq)
???
Where did Netanyahu say that?
Posted by: donna at December 09, 2015 04:09 PM (/dSsq)
???
Where did Netanyahu say that?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2015 04:10 PM (DUoqb)
493
483 Gotta say - I'm liking the new policy. I posted a few potentially controversial items and was not told how how much of a fuck-face loser deuce-bag I am.
Refreshing.
Posted by: fyscyl clyff at December 09, 2015 04:08 PM (r4pNb)
Dues, please.
Refreshing.
Posted by: fyscyl clyff at December 09, 2015 04:08 PM (r4pNb)
Dues, please.
Posted by: NAAFFLDB at December 09, 2015 04:11 PM (vgIRn)
494
I really can't talk about Trump anymore. Trying to come up with more window puns.
Posted by: L, Elle at December 09, 2015 04:11 PM (2x3L+)
495
Trump is the smartest debater in a long, long time for our side.
He knows enough to make the press the enemy and to never, never apologize.
That makes him smarter than 99.999% of the people we had run for office. it doesn't matter how much someone knows about individual subjects, if they can't master the basics, they are idiots.
Posted by: jwest
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That's just such a silly way to look at things, that whoever make the media angry is who we should nominate. We saw the same thing with Sarah Palin. Wow, liberals hate her, she must be perfect!
Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson really piss me off, but they're not smart and I'm not scared of them. I would LOVE it if Democrats nominated either one of those to run for President.
He knows enough to make the press the enemy and to never, never apologize.
That makes him smarter than 99.999% of the people we had run for office. it doesn't matter how much someone knows about individual subjects, if they can't master the basics, they are idiots.
Posted by: jwest
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That's just such a silly way to look at things, that whoever make the media angry is who we should nominate. We saw the same thing with Sarah Palin. Wow, liberals hate her, she must be perfect!
Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson really piss me off, but they're not smart and I'm not scared of them. I would LOVE it if Democrats nominated either one of those to run for President.
Posted by: Coolio at December 09, 2015 04:11 PM (QnRLU)
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On impulse I grabbed one of those Nutella samplers racked at the checkout line. Wasn't impressed.
On the other hand, found a little chocolate shop, hole in the wall type, in Appleton that had a chocolate truffle that was orgasmic.
On the other hand, found a little chocolate shop, hole in the wall type, in Appleton that had a chocolate truffle that was orgasmic.
Posted by: Thad Buffet at December 09, 2015 04:11 PM (Nh58q)
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As for me, no question I vote for Trump over Hillary, I would actually love to see him smash up the open border policies of the last 30 years, but I really have no question it would just mean a Hillary Presidency if Trump were nominated, likely for 8 years as Presidents rarely lose reelection.
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I'm not sure I could vote for him. If it were him and HRC - I might just sit out. But I do like the idea of Congress potentially reasserting itself as an independent branch to push back on Trump.
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I'm not sure I could vote for him. If it were him and HRC - I might just sit out. But I do like the idea of Congress potentially reasserting itself as an independent branch to push back on Trump.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2015 04:11 PM (gmeXX)
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Bibi didnt "blast" anybody. Trump is coming to Israel, Bibi is hosting him and Bibi doesnt want riots. Trump is even planning on going to The Dome of the Rock, which in itself is provocative to these LOW IMPULSE VIOLENT CHILDREN SACRIFICING ANIMALS
I DO NOT CARE IF HE HURT THEIR FEELINGS
I DO NOT CARE IF HE HURT THEIR FEELINGS
Posted by: ThunderB at December 09, 2015 04:11 PM (zOTsN)
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That is the one anecdote that bothers me the most. Trump could actually win this on the GOP side
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If only the party had an experienced candidate who would actually appeal to voters on immigration, border security, and making America Great Again (and actually sound sincere) that would not happen. There is still time. I'll wait.
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If only the party had an experienced candidate who would actually appeal to voters on immigration, border security, and making America Great Again (and actually sound sincere) that would not happen. There is still time. I'll wait.
Posted by: RioBravo at December 09, 2015 04:11 PM (NUqwG)
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Hmm. The windows bit have come to a full stop. Perhaps it's the double glazed eyes, or no one wants to post bad puns with "aprons" or "stools".
Posted by: anon a mouse - now with more puppy! at December 09, 2015 04:12 PM (C9pBZ)
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>>Exactly. They devote decades to their narrative. For example, there's a new movie coming out, Trumbo, about a Leftist screenwriter "damaged" by McCarthy. Joe has been dead for decades, but, they never ever miss a chance to rewrite the narrative and piss on Joe's grave.
Snuggle Puss Wasserman Shultz was calling Trump the new McCarthy today. They never go off script, they just keep repeating batshit crazy things enough times that people accept them as truth.
Snuggle Puss Wasserman Shultz was calling Trump the new McCarthy today. They never go off script, they just keep repeating batshit crazy things enough times that people accept them as truth.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 09, 2015 04:12 PM (/tuJf)
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People be like, "I agree with almost everything Candidate X says, but she's kinda dingy or something."
Then, "I agree with almost everything Candidate Y says, but he's boorish. Imma wait over here for Mr. Perfect."
Good luck with that, bro.
Then, "I agree with almost everything Candidate Y says, but he's boorish. Imma wait over here for Mr. Perfect."
Good luck with that, bro.
Posted by: Moron in a Crude Snuggie at December 09, 2015 04:12 PM (Ui7Rt)
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I cannot believe BiBi said that. What is he meeting Trump for in #twoweeks then?
Posted by: L, Elle at December 09, 2015 04:12 PM (2x3L+)
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I appreciate the work done by Glenn Beck in the past. Even if he is starting to get wobbly now, we owe him a debt of gratitude for revealing how evil islam is and how they have infiltrated the Washington City government.
Posted by: Eromero at December 09, 2015 04:12 PM (b+df9)
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"Will they still make it or did he have the only recipe?"
Oh I'm sure they'll still make it. It's Ferrero chocolate. They also make the Rocher chocolates that I give my kids on St. Patrick's day from "the leprechauns."
Oh I'm sure they'll still make it. It's Ferrero chocolate. They also make the Rocher chocolates that I give my kids on St. Patrick's day from "the leprechauns."
Posted by: Lauren at December 09, 2015 04:12 PM (Kqit+)
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Enough with the stupid Window puns already.
Posted by: Bill Gates at December 09, 2015 04:07 PM (E5UB0)>>>
I am a big fan of your self breaking Windows Bill.
Posted by: Bill Gates at December 09, 2015 04:07 PM (E5UB0)>>>
I am a big fan of your self breaking Windows Bill.
Posted by: P Krugman at December 09, 2015 04:12 PM (XtAzU)
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It's time for the Donald to "clarify."
Posted by: donna
in case you haven't noticed, his superpower is not apologizing.
Posted by: donna
in case you haven't noticed, his superpower is not apologizing.
Posted by: x at December 09, 2015 04:13 PM (57fhp)
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Totally off topic.
I learned today that urine does a good job of removing jellyfish stings. I used think it was for removing jelly stains.
Sorry angry lady at Waffle House.
Totally off topic.
I learned today that urine does a good job of removing jellyfish stings. I used think it was for removing jelly stains.
Sorry angry lady at Waffle House.
Posted by: fixerupper at December 09, 2015 04:13 PM (8XRCm)
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Uh, "denial, and "troubles".
I've heard through the grapevine that I'm getting a new PC for Christmas, so maybe my typos and the speed of my replies might improve in the coming weeks. Not to mention, of course, quality.
I've heard through the grapevine that I'm getting a new PC for Christmas, so maybe my typos and the speed of my replies might improve in the coming weeks. Not to mention, of course, quality.
Posted by: bergerbilder at December 09, 2015 04:14 PM (IeXP9)
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Actually, apparently he died months ago. The article I read wasn't dated. Oh well. Guess they kept making chocolates!
Posted by: Lauren at December 09, 2015 04:14 PM (Kqit+)
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I learned today that urine does a good job of removing jellyfish stings.
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There was a Friends episode on this.
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There was a Friends episode on this.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2015 04:14 PM (gmeXX)
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Well as suitable presidents go . . . if they are suitable they will best Trump in the primary and be the nominee themselves. If they can't best Trump on theirhome fieldthen they won't beat Hillary on hers.
This may not be the year where one of the choices on the final ballotis appropriatesuitability.
You may be surprised to learnthat most legal and business negotiation does not involve logic or even reason. Its about money, power, status and risk to all three.Admittedly I have no first hand experience in politics but I would be amazed to hear it was different.
Its a broken world people. Forgeteverything you think you learned in so called "University". Its basically worthless, except as practice for social skills and self discipline and the latter not so much anymore.
Well as suitable presidents go . . . if they are suitable they will best Trump in the primary and be the nominee themselves. If they can't best Trump on theirhome fieldthen they won't beat Hillary on hers.
This may not be the year where one of the choices on the final ballotis appropriatesuitability.
You may be surprised to learnthat most legal and business negotiation does not involve logic or even reason. Its about money, power, status and risk to all three.Admittedly I have no first hand experience in politics but I would be amazed to hear it was different.
Its a broken world people. Forgeteverything you think you learned in so called "University". Its basically worthless, except as practice for social skills and self discipline and the latter not so much anymore.
Posted by: simplemind at December 09, 2015 04:14 PM (JTwsP)
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Even Bibi blasted Trump for His muslim remarks..... It's time for the Donald to "clarify."
Posted by: donna at December 09, 2015 04:09 PM (/dSsq)
???
Where did Netanyahu say that?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2015 04:10 PM (DUoqb)
OK I read what Netanyahu said and it was bullshit, and what he said made no sense what so ever...He "condemned" what Trump said and said that Israel respects it's muslim citizens- which Trump made no reference to current American Citizens- and Israel does NOT allow unfettered Muslim immigration to Israel???? So I have no idea what Netanyahu is saying and it reinforces my opinion that Netanyahu is a terrible PM
Posted by: donna at December 09, 2015 04:09 PM (/dSsq)
???
Where did Netanyahu say that?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2015 04:10 PM (DUoqb)
OK I read what Netanyahu said and it was bullshit, and what he said made no sense what so ever...He "condemned" what Trump said and said that Israel respects it's muslim citizens- which Trump made no reference to current American Citizens- and Israel does NOT allow unfettered Muslim immigration to Israel???? So I have no idea what Netanyahu is saying and it reinforces my opinion that Netanyahu is a terrible PM
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2015 04:14 PM (DUoqb)
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The State of Israel respects all religion and strictly adheres to the rights of all it's citizens," said Netanyahu.
"At the same time, Israel is fighting radical Islam which is attacking Muslims, Christians and Jews alike and threatens the entire world.
this is "the blast"
"At the same time, Israel is fighting radical Islam which is attacking Muslims, Christians and Jews alike and threatens the entire world.
this is "the blast"
Posted by: ThunderB at December 09, 2015 04:14 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: nip at December 09, 2015 04:14 PM (r73Jl)
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The galloping PC mentality of the stupid strikes at the very heart of both the LIV's and elite and intelligent talking heads.
Some, the elite and intelligent talking heads who want purity of party and a great statesman with class and refinement (yet they rejected Romney), have legit arguments in place of needing yet one more Senator. Or someone with "executive" experience to be at the helm. While I agree that I can see either Cruz or Rubio on the top of the ticket, due to their experience, I feel they are politicians. I trust Cruz more than Rubio. Maybe it is time for a non-politician to try to dig us out of the "quagmire" of the legacy of Baroque I and II.
This leaves the LIV's and the loyal (D)ims. They don't watch the news (as,per liberals I have spoken to, "too depressing" yet spout their views in echo chambers). Or the true LIV's who don't know who the current Sec of State is, they hear Debbie WashYerHairShits of the Dem party declare that all of the GOP candidates are traitors, and it sticks in their wee brains like a tattoo. They vote for Hilz, not for her "experience" but because of her last name and to be part of history in electing the first woman president. No consideration to what this job entails. Oh, no, only a figure-head like the current Limp-Wristed Bracket Place Holder with his wee jug-ears. They are true to name, the LIV's.
If we had the most perfect candidate ever to be born running as a Republican there would still be shrieks of something or other. Yet Hilz lies, lies, lies again and has parasitic fleas from lying with her liar husband and lies pouring from her liar mouth...and all is well. Her latest lie? About the video she professed from the Rose Garden on 9/12/12, to George Stephanopolous, that the public can take it from her that she meant terrorism vs the video. This is how utterly stupid the Dems think their voters are...and they are correct.
I will bet that, unless they are trying to be polite at Christmas, somehow the subject of The Donald will be uttered from one of my in-law's liberal lips. I will smile and nod and wish evil things but not lose my cool, as they do not want to hear facts, oh, no, The NYT! CNN! Or other nonsense spewed from other liberals that tattoos to their brains...most who have no idea what they are talking about, do not watch the news, and just are anti-GOP. So I say let 'er rip. Let's distill this election down to what is important. Immigration is important. Keeping refugees out of this country is important. The economic bust waiting for 2017 (or the post-Baroque period as the truth cannot smear his name), is important. I'd rather have anyone but Hilz running the show, thank you.
I say to The Donald, go for it.Let 'er rip. Raise hades, which is where this country is heading to have bear raping movies and a president who would rather golf than lead this nation to greatness...much less protect her. Go for it.
Some, the elite and intelligent talking heads who want purity of party and a great statesman with class and refinement (yet they rejected Romney), have legit arguments in place of needing yet one more Senator. Or someone with "executive" experience to be at the helm. While I agree that I can see either Cruz or Rubio on the top of the ticket, due to their experience, I feel they are politicians. I trust Cruz more than Rubio. Maybe it is time for a non-politician to try to dig us out of the "quagmire" of the legacy of Baroque I and II.
This leaves the LIV's and the loyal (D)ims. They don't watch the news (as,per liberals I have spoken to, "too depressing" yet spout their views in echo chambers). Or the true LIV's who don't know who the current Sec of State is, they hear Debbie WashYerHairShits of the Dem party declare that all of the GOP candidates are traitors, and it sticks in their wee brains like a tattoo. They vote for Hilz, not for her "experience" but because of her last name and to be part of history in electing the first woman president. No consideration to what this job entails. Oh, no, only a figure-head like the current Limp-Wristed Bracket Place Holder with his wee jug-ears. They are true to name, the LIV's.
If we had the most perfect candidate ever to be born running as a Republican there would still be shrieks of something or other. Yet Hilz lies, lies, lies again and has parasitic fleas from lying with her liar husband and lies pouring from her liar mouth...and all is well. Her latest lie? About the video she professed from the Rose Garden on 9/12/12, to George Stephanopolous, that the public can take it from her that she meant terrorism vs the video. This is how utterly stupid the Dems think their voters are...and they are correct.
I will bet that, unless they are trying to be polite at Christmas, somehow the subject of The Donald will be uttered from one of my in-law's liberal lips. I will smile and nod and wish evil things but not lose my cool, as they do not want to hear facts, oh, no, The NYT! CNN! Or other nonsense spewed from other liberals that tattoos to their brains...most who have no idea what they are talking about, do not watch the news, and just are anti-GOP. So I say let 'er rip. Let's distill this election down to what is important. Immigration is important. Keeping refugees out of this country is important. The economic bust waiting for 2017 (or the post-Baroque period as the truth cannot smear his name), is important. I'd rather have anyone but Hilz running the show, thank you.
I say to The Donald, go for it.Let 'er rip. Raise hades, which is where this country is heading to have bear raping movies and a president who would rather golf than lead this nation to greatness...much less protect her. Go for it.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 09, 2015 04:14 PM (7lqMl)
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don't be naive. the msm would have reacted exactly the same.
They would have half quoted and come up with worse.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2015 04:07 PM (DKgtk)
Which begs the question, why does Trump continually put things in such a way that the Presstitute Organs don't have to half-quote him to gin up the outrage?
I'll answer that - he is, just like the "Stephen Colbert" character
while that show was on Comedy Central, a liberal caricature of what they
believe conservatives to be.
They would have half quoted and come up with worse.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2015 04:07 PM (DKgtk)
Which begs the question, why does Trump continually put things in such a way that the Presstitute Organs don't have to half-quote him to gin up the outrage?
I'll answer that - he is, just like the "Stephen Colbert" character
while that show was on Comedy Central, a liberal caricature of what they
believe conservatives to be.
Posted by: steveegg at December 09, 2015 04:15 PM (cL79m)
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Trump is an ass, but he is an ass who is saying things that need to be said (and have needed to be said for years now).
Islam is fundamentally incompatible with American civilization. Muslims reject core American values like freedom of religion, freedom of speech, free markets, separation of church and state, equal civil rights for females, equal civil rights for gays, etc.
Islam is not just a religion. It is also a political/social/legal/economic ideology that is antithetical to our constitutional system.
We have already allowed millions of Muslims to immigrate to the U.S., without ever having had even a single public debate about the wisdom of doing so. Americans who want to have the debate now are routinely denounced as raaaaaacists, xenophobes, bigots, Islamophobes, fools, demagogues, etc.
Just this morning there was an article by some idiot insisting that the only way to safeguard religious freedom in the U.S. is by allowing the importation into the U.S. of millions more Muslims who don't believe in religious freedom! The left's arguments are idiotic, irrational, and beyond parody.
I'm sick of this bullshit. Sick enough to vote for any candidate, even one who's an ass, so long as he is willing to say what needs to be said.
Islam is fundamentally incompatible with American civilization. Muslims reject core American values like freedom of religion, freedom of speech, free markets, separation of church and state, equal civil rights for females, equal civil rights for gays, etc.
Islam is not just a religion. It is also a political/social/legal/economic ideology that is antithetical to our constitutional system.
We have already allowed millions of Muslims to immigrate to the U.S., without ever having had even a single public debate about the wisdom of doing so. Americans who want to have the debate now are routinely denounced as raaaaaacists, xenophobes, bigots, Islamophobes, fools, demagogues, etc.
Just this morning there was an article by some idiot insisting that the only way to safeguard religious freedom in the U.S. is by allowing the importation into the U.S. of millions more Muslims who don't believe in religious freedom! The left's arguments are idiotic, irrational, and beyond parody.
I'm sick of this bullshit. Sick enough to vote for any candidate, even one who's an ass, so long as he is willing to say what needs to be said.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 09, 2015 04:15 PM (a31sM)
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Trump is the smartest debater in a long, long time for our side.
He knows enough to make the press the enemy and to never, never apologize.
That makes him smarter than 99.999% of the people we had run for office. it doesn't matter how much someone knows about individual subjects, if they can't master the basics, they are idiots.
Posted by: jwest at December 09, 2015 04:05 PM (Zs4uk)
I cringe listening to him talk, but he makes his points. It's about results. Look at the polls. We are not cultists worshipping our politicians in crypto-religious fashion like the leftists. We are not in some way tied to Trump as they are tied to Obama. We do not see him as a hope for the future and someone who will halt the rise of the world's oceans. He has a job. That job is to win the whitehouse and improve our lives while keeping us safe. None of these stylistic, aesthetic concerns hold any weight for me.
I hated Romney on style and aesthetics but if he'd gotten Obama out of office like he was tasked with doing I'd support him now like I did in 2012.
He knows enough to make the press the enemy and to never, never apologize.
That makes him smarter than 99.999% of the people we had run for office. it doesn't matter how much someone knows about individual subjects, if they can't master the basics, they are idiots.
Posted by: jwest at December 09, 2015 04:05 PM (Zs4uk)
I cringe listening to him talk, but he makes his points. It's about results. Look at the polls. We are not cultists worshipping our politicians in crypto-religious fashion like the leftists. We are not in some way tied to Trump as they are tied to Obama. We do not see him as a hope for the future and someone who will halt the rise of the world's oceans. He has a job. That job is to win the whitehouse and improve our lives while keeping us safe. None of these stylistic, aesthetic concerns hold any weight for me.
I hated Romney on style and aesthetics but if he'd gotten Obama out of office like he was tasked with doing I'd support him now like I did in 2012.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 09, 2015 04:15 PM (xuouz)
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I bet he could build a temple that would make Solomon blush.
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*Jesus runs through with a scourge*
TRUMP 20:16!!!
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*Jesus runs through with a scourge*
TRUMP 20:16!!!
Posted by: Bigby's Green Thumb at December 09, 2015 04:15 PM (3ZtZW)
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The State of Israel respects all religion and strictly adheres to the rights of all it's citizens," said Netanyahu.
"At the same time, Israel is fighting radical Islam which is attacking Muslims, Christians and Jews alike and threatens the entire world.
this is "the blast"
Posted by: ThunderB at December 09, 2015 04:14 PM (zOTsN)
And Israel does NOT allow Muslims to walk into Israel? Netanyahu is an idiot
"At the same time, Israel is fighting radical Islam which is attacking Muslims, Christians and Jews alike and threatens the entire world.
this is "the blast"
Posted by: ThunderB at December 09, 2015 04:14 PM (zOTsN)
And Israel does NOT allow Muslims to walk into Israel? Netanyahu is an idiot
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2015 04:15 PM (DUoqb)
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During the McCarthy hearings, there was a reporter Don Hollenbeck who was the subject of attacks by another reporter Jack O'Brian. O'Brian's daughter is now president of Al Jizz America. Small world... She's nuts.
My favorite quote: "O'Brian has stated that Al Jazeera America (in particular its news department) is on its way to being the "envy of the industry."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_O%27Brian
My favorite quote: "O'Brian has stated that Al Jazeera America (in particular its news department) is on its way to being the "envy of the industry."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_O%27Brian
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 09, 2015 04:15 PM (iQIUe)
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#267...most memorable , serious post I can remember reading here---and that is saying something because this(AOSHQ) is Sanity Central for a nation gone mad for living down to the fantasies of its current ruler.
Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at December 09, 2015 04:16 PM (3ZttN)
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trump did say we should look at not letting citizens who travel abroad to commit jihad back in the country
GITMO?
GITMO?
Posted by: ThunderB at December 09, 2015 04:16 PM (zOTsN)
525
Nude
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 09, 2015 04:16 PM (7+yyM)
526
These Window puns are X-Cruciating.
Posted by: Bob Scheiffler
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Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 09, 2015 04:16 PM (9mTYi)
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trump did say we should look at not letting citizens who travel abroad to commit jihad back in the country
Damn fuckin right
Damn fuckin right
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 09, 2015 04:16 PM (DUoqb)
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I can't see through all these window puns.....
Posted by: Yo! at December 09, 2015 04:16 PM (GwIKd)
529
Ace gets it.
Posted by: Flaccid Member at December 09, 2015 04:17 PM (5fSr7)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 09, 2015 04:17 PM (No/ki)
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Even Bibi blasted Trump for His muslim remarks..... It's time for the Donald to "clarify."
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Yeah. well, the Israelis have this pathological need to believe that living in peace with muslims is possible, so that's no big surprise.
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Yeah. well, the Israelis have this pathological need to believe that living in peace with muslims is possible, so that's no big surprise.
Posted by: Methos at December 09, 2015 04:17 PM (ZbV+0)
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Which begs the question, why does Trump continually put things in such a way that the Presstitute Organs don't have to half-quote him to gin up the outrage?
I'll answer that - he is, just like the "Stephen Colbert" character
while that show was on Comedy Central, a liberal caricature of what they
believe conservatives to be.
Posted by: steveegg at December 09, 2015 04:15 PM (cL79m)
because sometimes the china needs breaking. Hoisting the black flag, slitting throats, assembly required
I'll answer that - he is, just like the "Stephen Colbert" character
while that show was on Comedy Central, a liberal caricature of what they
believe conservatives to be.
Posted by: steveegg at December 09, 2015 04:15 PM (cL79m)
because sometimes the china needs breaking. Hoisting the black flag, slitting throats, assembly required
Posted by: ThunderB at December 09, 2015 04:17 PM (zOTsN)
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Seamus, yes of course the comparison is far from exact, but the underlying dynamics are/can be similar enough to the make my point.
Airlines, financial services,and telecommunications were once non-markets, or heavily regulated oligopolistic markets, to a great extent. Deregulation was one key element in completely transforming them into what we see today.
Yes the medical economy is a catastrophically deformed monster that would warm the heart of a GOSPLAN bureaucrat in Moscow in the '50s.
But allowing a market to develop again is ALWAYS feasible. Because markets are just a term for the way things work when left alone. I am pessmistic that this dumbed-down country will have the sense to allow it, but the spectacular benefits to be expected from allowing normal market forces to influence behavior in medical matters would not be in doubt.
Seamus, yes of course the comparison is far from exact, but the underlying dynamics are/can be similar enough to the make my point.
Airlines, financial services,and telecommunications were once non-markets, or heavily regulated oligopolistic markets, to a great extent. Deregulation was one key element in completely transforming them into what we see today.
Yes the medical economy is a catastrophically deformed monster that would warm the heart of a GOSPLAN bureaucrat in Moscow in the '50s.
But allowing a market to develop again is ALWAYS feasible. Because markets are just a term for the way things work when left alone. I am pessmistic that this dumbed-down country will have the sense to allow it, but the spectacular benefits to be expected from allowing normal market forces to influence behavior in medical matters would not be in doubt.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 09, 2015 04:18 PM (QDnY+)
534
"There are many who are deathly afraid of Hillary and are convinced that Trump will deliver the White House for her. I heard Dennis Prager echo this exact sentiment this afternoon."
Good Lord, pundits are the dumbest of them all.
Here is Trump on Hillary:
TRUMP: "Hillary Clinton is running for president because she wants to stay out of jail"
TRUMP: "...if we had an honest government, Hillary wouldn't be allowed to run."
TRUMP: "What (Hillary Clinton) did is so much worse," (than Petraus) Trump said. "IF I WIN, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK INTO THAT CRIME VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY FOLKS."
Trump asserted that Clinton committed a "crime."
TRUMP: "You better remember: There's a six-year statute of limitations on that crime.
There a tons of quotes with Trump slashing Hillary. And he's only just begun.
Good Lord, pundits are the dumbest of them all.
Here is Trump on Hillary:
TRUMP: "Hillary Clinton is running for president because she wants to stay out of jail"
TRUMP: "...if we had an honest government, Hillary wouldn't be allowed to run."
TRUMP: "What (Hillary Clinton) did is so much worse," (than Petraus) Trump said. "IF I WIN, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK INTO THAT CRIME VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY FOLKS."
Trump asserted that Clinton committed a "crime."
TRUMP: "You better remember: There's a six-year statute of limitations on that crime.
There a tons of quotes with Trump slashing Hillary. And he's only just begun.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at December 09, 2015 04:18 PM (kGW+q)
535
GITMO?
Posted by: ThunderB at December 09, 2015 04:16 PM (zOTsN)
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What? They can't go to Gitmo. The prison there is going to be closed by Obama - first thing he does.
GITMO?
Posted by: ThunderB at December 09, 2015 04:16 PM (zOTsN)
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What? They can't go to Gitmo. The prison there is going to be closed by Obama - first thing he does.
Posted by: RioBravo at December 09, 2015 04:18 PM (NUqwG)
536
2015: "Republicans shouldn't support Donald Trump because he's not a real conservative!" shriekers.
2012: "TrueCons need to suck it up and embrace the architect of Obamacare!" shriekers.
Venn Diagram of both groups: O
2012: "TrueCons need to suck it up and embrace the architect of Obamacare!" shriekers.
Venn Diagram of both groups: O
Posted by: mugiwara at December 09, 2015 04:18 PM (D5hxK)
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Which begs the question, why does Trump continually put things in such a way that the Presstitute Organs don't have to half-quote him to gin up the outrage?
He does n't.
Easy when YOU choose where to stop quoting.
He does n't.
Easy when YOU choose where to stop quoting.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 09, 2015 04:18 PM (DKgtk)
538
And Israel does NOT allow Muslims to walk into Israel? Netanyahu is an idiot
Posted by: Nevergiveup
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It is incredibly hypocritical, the concept of a "Jewish state" is supposed to be something everyone in Israel embraces.
they most certainly are filtering out Muslims to become part of Israel (and for good reason)
Posted by: Nevergiveup
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It is incredibly hypocritical, the concept of a "Jewish state" is supposed to be something everyone in Israel embraces.
they most certainly are filtering out Muslims to become part of Israel (and for good reason)
Posted by: Coolio at December 09, 2015 04:19 PM (QnRLU)
539
Can't you prefer none of the above.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2015 04:02 PM (gmeXX)
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No, Sorry, I'm not running in this race.
Posted by: SH at December 09, 2015 04:02 PM (gmeXX)
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No, Sorry, I'm not running in this race.
Posted by: Brewster Mountgomry at December 09, 2015 04:20 PM (MbrzC)
540
515 "Ace is wrong about most things Trump..."
As he was wrong on most things Palin.
I believe he has some sort of genetic disorder that blocks out character as a factor in his deliberations.
As he was wrong on most things Palin.
I believe he has some sort of genetic disorder that blocks out character as a factor in his deliberations.
Posted by: jwest at December 09, 2015 04:20 PM (Zs4uk)
Posted by: Thad Buffet at December 09, 2015 04:22 PM (Nh58q)
542
It's been interesting (and instructive) to watch National Review argue from the same side as Hamas on the muzzie immigration debate. Interesting......but at the same time strange.
Posted by: Stay out da bushes at December 09, 2015 04:22 PM (yioUz)
543
Hell, who knows?
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Spin the Trump wheel of fate and find out, this Sunday at 9:00pm, live from the oval office. Ratings gold.
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Spin the Trump wheel of fate and find out, this Sunday at 9:00pm, live from the oval office. Ratings gold.
Posted by: Brewster Mountgomry at December 09, 2015 04:23 PM (MbrzC)
544
There a tons of quotes with Trump slashing Hillary. And he's only just begun.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence
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I really don't think Trumps insults of Hillary are anything to write home about. Pretty boilerplate. But about other GOP candidates? Like Ben Carsons religion or Bush being responsible for 9/11? That's when he really fights.
But Rick Lazio tried the "get in her face" routine against Hillary and it cost him an incredibly winnable election because he just ended up coming off like a dick.
There a tons of quotes with Trump slashing Hillary. And he's only just begun.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence
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I really don't think Trumps insults of Hillary are anything to write home about. Pretty boilerplate. But about other GOP candidates? Like Ben Carsons religion or Bush being responsible for 9/11? That's when he really fights.
But Rick Lazio tried the "get in her face" routine against Hillary and it cost him an incredibly winnable election because he just ended up coming off like a dick.
Posted by: Coolio at December 09, 2015 04:24 PM (QnRLU)
545
I think Trump just scares the shit out of people who are comfortable.
And that's a hell of a lot of people here. They bitch ... until the talk gets serious about National Divorce, LiB, and such. At that point ... They'd really like you take your make the rubble bounce shit elsewhere.
Because they're comfortable. I have a good job - but I ain't been comfortable with this bullshit since Clinton. Not one bit.
And that's a hell of a lot of people here. They bitch ... until the talk gets serious about National Divorce, LiB, and such. At that point ... They'd really like you take your make the rubble bounce shit elsewhere.
Because they're comfortable. I have a good job - but I ain't been comfortable with this bullshit since Clinton. Not one bit.
Posted by: Irony at December 09, 2015 04:24 PM (c5Luo)
546
because sometimes the china needs breaking. Hoisting the black flag, slitting throats, assembly required
Posted by: ThunderB at December 09, 2015 04:17 PM (zOTsN)
I guess my problem is I'm both a student of history and a fan of Spy Vs. Spy (and its sometime-spinoff, Spy Vs. Spy Vs. Spy).
Posted by: ThunderB at December 09, 2015 04:17 PM (zOTsN)
I guess my problem is I'm both a student of history and a fan of Spy Vs. Spy (and its sometime-spinoff, Spy Vs. Spy Vs. Spy).
Posted by: steveegg at December 09, 2015 04:25 PM (cL79m)
547
If you put Nutella on a pigs ass, well, I wouldn't eat it, but I'd look at that pigs ass more lovingly than I've ever looked at a pigs ass before.
Posted by: All Teh Meh at December 09, 2015 04:25 PM (5chst)
548
"same problem with McLame: why bother voting if you're just going to get moar of the same?"
THANK YOU dear commenter. You just vocalized in a nutshell Trump's internal campaign strategy.
Like Clinton's internal memewas "its the economy stupid". Trump's operating focus is vote for me you andwill not get moar of the same. Its a "change" election but he disguised "change" since Obama poisoned that slogan. He can't use "change it back", because "W" is poison in the minds of half the voters. He can't use those slogans but he can demonstrate the difference by being completelydifferent.
Yep. Thanks. I feel better now.
"same problem with McLame: why bother voting if you're just going to get moar of the same?"
THANK YOU dear commenter. You just vocalized in a nutshell Trump's internal campaign strategy.
Like Clinton's internal memewas "its the economy stupid". Trump's operating focus is vote for me you andwill not get moar of the same. Its a "change" election but he disguised "change" since Obama poisoned that slogan. He can't use "change it back", because "W" is poison in the minds of half the voters. He can't use those slogans but he can demonstrate the difference by being completelydifferent.
Yep. Thanks. I feel better now.
Posted by: simplemind at December 09, 2015 04:26 PM (JTwsP)
549
No, Sorry, I'm not running in this race.
Posted by: Brewster Mountgomry at December 09, 2015 04:20 PM (MbrzC)
But you could get the remaining 90% of the fortune if you blow through 10% in the next 30 days.
Posted by: Brewster Mountgomry at December 09, 2015 04:20 PM (MbrzC)
But you could get the remaining 90% of the fortune if you blow through 10% in the next 30 days.
Posted by: steveegg at December 09, 2015 04:26 PM (cL79m)
550
The left still manages to cause some kind of trauma in people's minds, so even non-leftists are always eager to show how openminded and fair they are by occasionally demonizing one of their own. But that is silly. That won't get you any points with them. They will not lift the boot of false guilt from off your neck.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 09, 2015 04:26 PM (E5UB0)
551
480 BREAKING NEWS: San Bernardino - Officials tell CNN, neighbor Enrique Marquez who supplied farook with weapons involved in 2012 terror plot.
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but but but ... there were no outside ...connections... or so said F.B.I. Agent Johnson (no relation).
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but but but ... there were no outside ...connections... or so said F.B.I. Agent Johnson (no relation).
Posted by: Brewster Mountgomry at December 09, 2015 04:28 PM (MbrzC)
552
I heard Dennis Prager echo this exact sentiment this afternoon."
Good Lord, pundits are the dumbest of them all.
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Prager's the one who thinks we have a mutual duty to blow sunshine up each others' butts constantly, too.
Good Lord, pundits are the dumbest of them all.
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Prager's the one who thinks we have a mutual duty to blow sunshine up each others' butts constantly, too.
Posted by: Methos at December 09, 2015 04:29 PM (ZbV+0)
553
486 Even Bibi blasted Trump for His muslim remarks..... It's time for the Donald to "clarify."
Posted by: donna at December 09, 2015 04:09 PM (/dSsq)
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Horrible idea.
Posted by: donna at December 09, 2015 04:09 PM (/dSsq)
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Horrible idea.
Posted by: Brewster Mountgomry at December 09, 2015 04:30 PM (MbrzC)
554
Sometimes ... when I'm bored ... I'll try to determine who I detest more, Prayer or Medved.
Still no answer.
Still no answer.
Posted by: Irony at December 09, 2015 04:31 PM (c5Luo)
555
it's all in how you frame the discussion
I'll bow out before I throw up on the sash.
some old crank.
I'll bow out before I throw up on the sash.
some old crank.
Posted by: DaveA at December 09, 2015 04:32 PM (DL2i+)
556
They never go off script, they just keep repeating batshit crazy things enough times that people accept them as truth.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 09, 2015 04:12 PM (/tuJf)
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Something the GOP never tries, except of course when it's to agree with the left in demonizing one of their own.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 09, 2015 04:12 PM (/tuJf)
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Something the GOP never tries, except of course when it's to agree with the left in demonizing one of their own.
Posted by: Brewster Mountgomry at December 09, 2015 04:33 PM (MbrzC)
557
Another bugaboo is "demagogue". I have written / and not published rant after rant about this. Demagogue , as defined #1 or #2, can be applied to any politician. If Bernie Sanders is not, by definition, a demagogue...
But the fact is that demagogue by itself carries as negative, it assumes evil and that negative whether it is embedded or not with words like Hitler, Nazi (followed by the qualifier that of course, they are not linking that) transports danger and the transporting and killing of many many people. Today, the left uses demagogue for those advocating illegal immigration and Syrian Refugees, and Muslims. It is a dangerous and infuriating word, almost singularly applied these days to Donald Trump.
Other words, great public speaker, orator, and all that crap they hung around Obama's -- lost without TOTUS -- neck.
Thank you.
But the fact is that demagogue by itself carries as negative, it assumes evil and that negative whether it is embedded or not with words like Hitler, Nazi (followed by the qualifier that of course, they are not linking that) transports danger and the transporting and killing of many many people. Today, the left uses demagogue for those advocating illegal immigration and Syrian Refugees, and Muslims. It is a dangerous and infuriating word, almost singularly applied these days to Donald Trump.
Other words, great public speaker, orator, and all that crap they hung around Obama's -- lost without TOTUS -- neck.
Thank you.
Posted by: gracepc at December 09, 2015 04:34 PM (OU4q6)
558
One more dang comment from me:
I think many people are AFRAID to openly support Trump. They may secretly think he is right, and, "Yay!," but fear their intellectual friends dropping them from Facebook, as that is what counts, right? They fear the dreaded politically correct police calling them bigots! Oh, noes (note: I was called a bigot, secretly and unspoken, just by those hearing from the heart of Dixie I was born. They, sir, are the bigots).
Or fearful that, gasp, friends might look at them aghast as, "OMG, YOU are a REPUBLICAN??? I had no idea! You seemed so intelligent!"
I actually had this happen during the Bush/Gore hanging chad episode of life...when I admitted I was a Bush supporter to a lib friend (who is still my friend but we are total opposites and simply do not talk politics or skirt around it in the past in election years).
I have not decided on which GOP guy or gal I will support, as I do not want to pull my fancy jinx on them. But it is not !jeb!, Katshit, Santorum, Graham, Huckabee (although he is useful), or others I probably forgot in this line up.
If Trump comes out on top you bet yer derriere I will vote for him. xoxo
I think many people are AFRAID to openly support Trump. They may secretly think he is right, and, "Yay!," but fear their intellectual friends dropping them from Facebook, as that is what counts, right? They fear the dreaded politically correct police calling them bigots! Oh, noes (note: I was called a bigot, secretly and unspoken, just by those hearing from the heart of Dixie I was born. They, sir, are the bigots).
Or fearful that, gasp, friends might look at them aghast as, "OMG, YOU are a REPUBLICAN??? I had no idea! You seemed so intelligent!"
I actually had this happen during the Bush/Gore hanging chad episode of life...when I admitted I was a Bush supporter to a lib friend (who is still my friend but we are total opposites and simply do not talk politics or skirt around it in the past in election years).
I have not decided on which GOP guy or gal I will support, as I do not want to pull my fancy jinx on them. But it is not !jeb!, Katshit, Santorum, Graham, Huckabee (although he is useful), or others I probably forgot in this line up.
If Trump comes out on top you bet yer derriere I will vote for him. xoxo
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 09, 2015 04:34 PM (7lqMl)
559
A riot is an ugly thing...
Posted by: Strictly from apathy at December 09, 2015 04:35 PM (8n+U+)
560
438 In sad news, the creator of Nutella has died. Let us all have a moment of silence and appreciation for his delicious creation.
Posted by: Lauren at December 09, 2015 04:01 PM (Z/8dZ)
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Good stuff, Nutella.
Still blush every time I walk past it on the shelf in the supermarket....
Posted by: Lauren at December 09, 2015 04:01 PM (Z/8dZ)
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Good stuff, Nutella.
Still blush every time I walk past it on the shelf in the supermarket....
Posted by: Kaspar Gutman at December 09, 2015 04:35 PM (Wu2k4)
561
Personal temporary boycott of Drudge. Not one mention of Pearl Harbor and all that it means on Dec. 7, 1941.
Posted by: gracepmc at December 09, 2015 04:35 PM (OU4q6)
562
Ace has never gotten over Trump calling out Megyn Kelly. That's just sad bro.
Posted by: AuH2O at December 09, 2015 04:36 PM (WBahS)
563
515 Ace is wrong about most things Trump...
...and TARP.
Posted by: nip at December 09, 2015 04:14 PM (r73Jl)
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I wasn't around for that, was Ace in favor of TARP?
...and TARP.
Posted by: nip at December 09, 2015 04:14 PM (r73Jl)
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I wasn't around for that, was Ace in favor of TARP?
Posted by: Brewster Mountgomry at December 09, 2015 04:36 PM (MbrzC)
564
"I really don't think Trumps insults of Hillary are anything to write home about. Pretty boilerplate."
Sorry, I've never heard a presidential candidate say one of the other candidates should be in jail. And as I said, he's only just begun. He's got the nomination wrapped up now and he's turning to the general now.
"But Rick Lazio tried the "get in her face" routine against Hillary and it cost him an incredibly winnable election because he just ended up coming off like a dick."
Rick Lazio is not Trump. Not by a long shot. Trump stands alone in this arena. Billions of dollars, a giant microphone, and willingness to cut a bitch means he'll destroy her.
He won't let Hillary stand in his way to winning the presidency. Guaranteed.
Sorry, I've never heard a presidential candidate say one of the other candidates should be in jail. And as I said, he's only just begun. He's got the nomination wrapped up now and he's turning to the general now.
"But Rick Lazio tried the "get in her face" routine against Hillary and it cost him an incredibly winnable election because he just ended up coming off like a dick."
Rick Lazio is not Trump. Not by a long shot. Trump stands alone in this arena. Billions of dollars, a giant microphone, and willingness to cut a bitch means he'll destroy her.
He won't let Hillary stand in his way to winning the presidency. Guaranteed.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at December 09, 2015 04:37 PM (kGW+q)
565
Great post. Thanks.
Posted by: Pastorius at December 09, 2015 04:38 PM (lHAc1)
566
I'd prefer Cruz but I'm not convinced Trump would be as big a disaster as, say, Obama, Carter or Buchanan. Hell, he might make it up above Ford and Bush 1.
Running isn't the same as governing but the more I hear Trump, the more persuaded I am.
Running isn't the same as governing but the more I hear Trump, the more persuaded I am.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at December 09, 2015 04:41 PM (3rnjd)
567
564 Trump stands alone in this arena. Billions of dollars, a giant microphone, and willingness to cut a bitch means he'll destroy her.
He won't let Hillary stand in his way to winning the presidency. Guaranteed.
Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at December 09, 2015 04:37 PM (kGW+q)
Let's hope so.
He won't let Hillary stand in his way to winning the presidency. Guaranteed.
Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at December 09, 2015 04:37 PM (kGW+q)
Let's hope so.
Posted by: rebel flounder at December 09, 2015 04:42 PM (3dOE/)
568
Brewster /sock off
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 09, 2015 04:45 PM (MbrzC)
569
Yes, Trump is going to lose. And he's going to lose badly. Iowa will be the first blow, when Cruz takes that down. New Hampshire will be next when Rubio takes that down. Trump will not even win a single primary or caucus.
Then all his acolytes can vote for him when he, inevitably, runs a third party campaign. You hate the Republican establishment so so much, children Trumpkins? Then go be with your Furhrer and get the hell out of my party.
Then all his acolytes can vote for him when he, inevitably, runs a third party campaign. You hate the Republican establishment so so much, children Trumpkins? Then go be with your Furhrer and get the hell out of my party.
Posted by: JoeC at December 09, 2015 04:47 PM (wJ0uD)
570
"Let's hope so."
Oh he will. I can think of two ideas that Trump could do with regards to Hillary that would allow him to *Drop the Mic* and head to the White House.
I'll have to send them to his campaign.
Oh he will. I can think of two ideas that Trump could do with regards to Hillary that would allow him to *Drop the Mic* and head to the White House.
I'll have to send them to his campaign.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at December 09, 2015 04:49 PM (kGW+q)
571
Part of Rick Lazio's problem with all that is he acted weak and basically apologetic after that debate instead of being like, what? She want's to be Senator but can't handle a piece of paper handed to her? He never went for the kill shot either.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 09, 2015 04:52 PM (MbrzC)
572
Posted by: JoeC at December 09, 2015 04:47 PM (wJ0uD)
I'm wondering what payoff you get from basically calling Trump supporters Nazis". And the Fuhrer? Com'on!
This sounds like a divisive tactic coming from the left.
Hmmmm
And you can imply I'm a Nazi but I'm not on the Trump bandwagon and don't care whatever you call me:^). I'll vote for him if he becomes the candidate, but he wasn't my first or second or third choice and Il still prefer Cruz,
I'm wondering what payoff you get from basically calling Trump supporters Nazis". And the Fuhrer? Com'on!
This sounds like a divisive tactic coming from the left.
Hmmmm
And you can imply I'm a Nazi but I'm not on the Trump bandwagon and don't care whatever you call me:^). I'll vote for him if he becomes the candidate, but he wasn't my first or second or third choice and Il still prefer Cruz,
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 09, 2015 04:55 PM (No/ki)
573
>Is the National Review's new business model to relegate itself to the dustbin of history by making its site so unusable that ever increasing amounts of people realize that it's useless to link there?
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>Even after allowing everyone one of 20 different javascripts to run while loading their page, I still cannot see the content in Firefox. And it absolutely bricked IE.
Works for me with Chrome, though there was a period of maybe a month in which all I'd get was a blank page and the only way to read NR was through an RSS feed reader (and even then I had to go through a full-text-RSS converter).
Whether NR works with it or not, I'd recommend ditching SJWfox out of principle.
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>Even after allowing everyone one of 20 different javascripts to run while loading their page, I still cannot see the content in Firefox. And it absolutely bricked IE.
Works for me with Chrome, though there was a period of maybe a month in which all I'd get was a blank page and the only way to read NR was through an RSS feed reader (and even then I had to go through a full-text-RSS converter).
Whether NR works with it or not, I'd recommend ditching SJWfox out of principle.
Posted by: salfter at December 09, 2015 04:55 PM (kmvkg)
574
Damn Ace - I'd vote for you right now! Trump is absolutely hitting all the issues that a vast amount of conservative voters are passionate about and they aren't seeing this passion in any other candidates. Cruz is trying but I don't know if he can pull it off. Rubio's coming across as the "acceptable" Trump lite. Trick will be to keep Trump from going 3rd party and assuring a Clinton victory. Keeps getting more and more interesting.
Posted by: Redinabluestate at December 09, 2015 04:57 PM (tqYeK)
575
569 Yes, Trump is going to lose. And he's going to lose badly. Iowa will be the first blow, when Cruz takes that down. New Hampshire will be next when Rubio takes that down. Trump will not even win a single primary or caucus.
Then all his acolytes can vote for him when he, inevitably, runs a third party campaign. You hate the Republican establishment so so much, children Trumpkins? Then go be with your Furhrer and get the hell out of my party.
Posted by: JoeC at December 09, 2015 04:47 PM (wJ0uD)
Plain dumb. This is the essence and core of not only this comment, but of the totality of every detail and every dimension in your existence.
Then all his acolytes can vote for him when he, inevitably, runs a third party campaign. You hate the Republican establishment so so much, children Trumpkins? Then go be with your Furhrer and get the hell out of my party.
Posted by: JoeC at December 09, 2015 04:47 PM (wJ0uD)
Plain dumb. This is the essence and core of not only this comment, but of the totality of every detail and every dimension in your existence.
Posted by: Juicer at December 09, 2015 05:03 PM (wgIhW)
576
a long time ago, after a truly awful bout of Failure Theater by Boehner & McConnell, I said that since those F-er's forced this down our throats we should pay them back by forcing Ted Cruz down theirs.
well, look who's right there drafting Trump's wind...
Go Trump!
well, look who's right there drafting Trump's wind...
Go Trump!
Posted by: Shoey at December 09, 2015 05:06 PM (vA94g)
577
Trump has gone full Bullworth.
No other candidate can beat Trump by being Trump
In order to win, another politician will also have to start telling the absolute truth of HIS VISION of the world.
Authenticity is charisma at this point.
No other candidate can beat Trump by being Trump
In order to win, another politician will also have to start telling the absolute truth of HIS VISION of the world.
Authenticity is charisma at this point.
Posted by: Pastorius at December 09, 2015 05:09 PM (lHAc1)
578
Posted by: gracepc at December 09, 2015 04:34 PM (OU4q6)
When I refer to Trump as a demagogue, I'm not trying to compare him to Hitler. I'm thinking of amore American pedigree: Huey 'The Kingfish'Long comes immediately to mind, but so do lesser figures, scattered throughout our history like cowshit in a big barn. We've had any number of meglomaniacs grabbing for the big brass ring. Trump's just another in a long line.
Trump will sell whatever he thinks you will buy, and you (Trump supporters) will buy anything, evidently. The man can say and do no wrong. By the way, did you know Rubio is the one who cut off slush funding for ObamaCare, essentially dooming it? Not good enough? Not conservative enough? Well, as Trump supporters, you can no longer tell anyone what's conservative and what isn't. I can: Trump isn't.
So far, I've seen Trump supportersblast Megyn Kelly, the entire staff of the National Review, Bebe Netanyahu, and a long list of otherwise respected people for not adoring your beloved enough or recognizing his awesomeness. Get a grip.
Posted by: gracepc at December 09, 2015 04:34 PM (OU4q6)
When I refer to Trump as a demagogue, I'm not trying to compare him to Hitler. I'm thinking of amore American pedigree: Huey 'The Kingfish'Long comes immediately to mind, but so do lesser figures, scattered throughout our history like cowshit in a big barn. We've had any number of meglomaniacs grabbing for the big brass ring. Trump's just another in a long line.
Trump will sell whatever he thinks you will buy, and you (Trump supporters) will buy anything, evidently. The man can say and do no wrong. By the way, did you know Rubio is the one who cut off slush funding for ObamaCare, essentially dooming it? Not good enough? Not conservative enough? Well, as Trump supporters, you can no longer tell anyone what's conservative and what isn't. I can: Trump isn't.
So far, I've seen Trump supportersblast Megyn Kelly, the entire staff of the National Review, Bebe Netanyahu, and a long list of otherwise respected people for not adoring your beloved enough or recognizing his awesomeness. Get a grip.
Posted by: troyriser at December 09, 2015 05:09 PM (Yi5wO)
579
"Are we going to have a president so impulsive as to change his mind from "Let Putin handle ISIS, what has it got to do with us?" to "Let's bomb the shit out of ISIS" and "I'll handle terrorism so hard it'll make your head spin" based on a single thing he saw on TV (San Bernardino) which completely changed all of his thoughts?"
2 thoughts:
1- how much of this is his actual thought process and how much is his shtick designed to stay in the media limelight and keep the discussion focused on topics of his choosing?
2- we keep saying congress is rolling over and not exercising its constitutional duties. I think a Trump presidency would be great in this regard....he's almost an independent candidate already, and I can see congress finally growing a pair and finally showing some balance to the current overreach of the executive. Whether it would continue on to the next president is a separate issue, of course, but at least the precedent would have been set
2 thoughts:
1- how much of this is his actual thought process and how much is his shtick designed to stay in the media limelight and keep the discussion focused on topics of his choosing?
2- we keep saying congress is rolling over and not exercising its constitutional duties. I think a Trump presidency would be great in this regard....he's almost an independent candidate already, and I can see congress finally growing a pair and finally showing some balance to the current overreach of the executive. Whether it would continue on to the next president is a separate issue, of course, but at least the precedent would have been set
Posted by: Grimaldi at December 09, 2015 05:10 PM (r3XUe)
580
Sigh. This hoping, for a 'savior to come along to take up Trump's torch' is a waste of time.
No, not even Ted Cruz. Sorry, he's merely a prop for the Establishment, so the rubes think they are getting represented and to take the heat off the GOPe.
His act is all part of the Kabuki theater ACE loves to talk about. Cruz is part of the stage show, and LIKES playing the foil.
After reading up on how he realized he career was not getting traction following the Florida recount - Its clear to me Cruz put on the 'Going rogue' act simply to get elected. Not that he is not smart mind you.
Oh, and I am highly annoyed Breitbart.com is simply a Ted Cruz fund raising front.
I look at like this, if you are going to be a rebel, then be a rebel and go full Xanatos. Otherwise don't play.
No, not even Ted Cruz. Sorry, he's merely a prop for the Establishment, so the rubes think they are getting represented and to take the heat off the GOPe.
His act is all part of the Kabuki theater ACE loves to talk about. Cruz is part of the stage show, and LIKES playing the foil.
After reading up on how he realized he career was not getting traction following the Florida recount - Its clear to me Cruz put on the 'Going rogue' act simply to get elected. Not that he is not smart mind you.
Oh, and I am highly annoyed Breitbart.com is simply a Ted Cruz fund raising front.
I look at like this, if you are going to be a rebel, then be a rebel and go full Xanatos. Otherwise don't play.
Posted by: Rodney C. Johnson at December 09, 2015 05:12 PM (XpFLm)
581
Trump has made it possible for one to speak without the PC jargon, and to many this is refrshing. It doesn't have much to do with presidenting, but it is a step in the direction of restoring the Constitution, and it is refreshing.
Posted by: bergerbilder at December 09, 2015 05:13 PM (IeXP9)
582
540 515 "Ace is wrong about most things Trump..."
As he was wrong on most things Palin.
I believe he has some sort of genetic disorder that blocks out character as a factor in his deliberations.
Posted by: jwest at December 09, 2015 04:20 PM (Zs4uk)
That was my point. ace hates Trump just as he hated Palin. He hated Palin because she wasn't sophisticated enough in his eyes. He didn't oppose to things she said, he hated the way she spoke.
Now Trump is "boorish and crude".
See? It's all elitism. Not ideas but social constructs are the driving forces behind elitist dissent against a commoner, or one who's supported by commoners, gaining a foothold in what they perceive as their Castle and Domain.
Markos Moulitsas and ace are children of the same construct. We are the orcs on the opposite side of Mordor's flaming borders.
They fear the Unknown, that those stumping their hallowed grounds without being bound by their subjective rules of political behavior, will do something nasty and evil.
Even if ace agreed to 100% of Trump's proposals (and I guess it does stand on about 90%) it won't matter. He is the Other. He's boorish and crude - like Palin. He is not one of them. He's one of us. And we should do away with asshats like ace who loathe us and despise our very existence.
As he was wrong on most things Palin.
I believe he has some sort of genetic disorder that blocks out character as a factor in his deliberations.
Posted by: jwest at December 09, 2015 04:20 PM (Zs4uk)
That was my point. ace hates Trump just as he hated Palin. He hated Palin because she wasn't sophisticated enough in his eyes. He didn't oppose to things she said, he hated the way she spoke.
Now Trump is "boorish and crude".
See? It's all elitism. Not ideas but social constructs are the driving forces behind elitist dissent against a commoner, or one who's supported by commoners, gaining a foothold in what they perceive as their Castle and Domain.
Markos Moulitsas and ace are children of the same construct. We are the orcs on the opposite side of Mordor's flaming borders.
They fear the Unknown, that those stumping their hallowed grounds without being bound by their subjective rules of political behavior, will do something nasty and evil.
Even if ace agreed to 100% of Trump's proposals (and I guess it does stand on about 90%) it won't matter. He is the Other. He's boorish and crude - like Palin. He is not one of them. He's one of us. And we should do away with asshats like ace who loathe us and despise our very existence.
Posted by: Juicer at December 09, 2015 05:17 PM (wgIhW)
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Posted by: Rodney C. Johnson at December 09, 2015 05:12 PM (XpFLm)
Ted Cruz is an Establishment prop? Yeah, run with that. That'll fly. Meanwhile, watch out for those chemtrails. And fluoridated water. Stay away from the fluoridated water.
Ted Cruz is an Establishment prop? Yeah, run with that. That'll fly. Meanwhile, watch out for those chemtrails. And fluoridated water. Stay away from the fluoridated water.
Posted by: troyriser at December 09, 2015 05:17 PM (Yi5wO)
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And we should do away with asshats like ace who loathe us and despise our very existence.
Probably not a good idea to talk about "doing away" with the owner of the site. Not a good idea at all.
Hope you get banned. :^)
Probably not a good idea to talk about "doing away" with the owner of the site. Not a good idea at all.
Hope you get banned. :^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 09, 2015 05:19 PM (No/ki)
585
I look at like this, if you are going to be a rebel, then be a rebel and go full Xanatos. Otherwise don't play.
Posted by: Rodney C. Johnson at December 09, 2015 05:12 PM (XpFLm)
I'm there my friend, I prefer Cruz, but I'll gladly vote for Trump if he keeps on like he is, and I'm aware that Trump is no conservative and Cruz is really a Goldman Sachs guy.
but Trump is needed and no, I really don't care what he says at this point, he says all kinds of shit, the gatekeepers don't like him
... and sometimes it isn't who you are, it is who your enemies are.
Posted by: Rodney C. Johnson at December 09, 2015 05:12 PM (XpFLm)
I'm there my friend, I prefer Cruz, but I'll gladly vote for Trump if he keeps on like he is, and I'm aware that Trump is no conservative and Cruz is really a Goldman Sachs guy.
but Trump is needed and no, I really don't care what he says at this point, he says all kinds of shit, the gatekeepers don't like him
... and sometimes it isn't who you are, it is who your enemies are.
Posted by: Shoey at December 09, 2015 05:25 PM (vA94g)
586
Posted by: Rodney C. Johnson at December 09, 2015 05:12 PM (XpFLm)
I look at like this, if you are going to be a rebel, then be a rebel and go fullXanatos Brut. Otherwise don't play.
.... this is one of those times when you should go Full Brut ...
Posted by: Rodney C. Johnson at December 09, 2015 05:12 PM (XpFLm)
I look at like this, if you are going to be a rebel, then be a rebel and go full
.... this is one of those times when you should go Full Brut ...
Posted by: Arbalest at December 09, 2015 05:29 PM (FlRtG)
587
My prediction: By 2050 this country will not exist as a single nation OR....
There will be a huge freaking statue of Donald J. Trump in Washington D.C.
There will be a huge freaking statue of Donald J. Trump in Washington D.C.
Posted by: William Eaton at December 09, 2015 05:33 PM (q52Ma)
588
Rubio's coming across as the "acceptable" Trump lite. Trick will be to keep Trump from going 3rd party and assuring a Clinton victory. Keeps getting more and more interesting.
Posted by: Redinabluestate at December 09, 2015 04:57 PM (tqYeK)
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Sure you're not confusing Rubio with Cruz there? Cause there is zero comparison between Rubio and Trump.
Posted by: Redinabluestate at December 09, 2015 04:57 PM (tqYeK)
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Sure you're not confusing Rubio with Cruz there? Cause there is zero comparison between Rubio and Trump.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 09, 2015 05:33 PM (MbrzC)
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I've seen Trump supportersblast Megyn Kelly
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I know know about trump supporters but I've been blasting her since around February, far before her dust up with trump.
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I know know about trump supporters but I've been blasting her since around February, far before her dust up with trump.
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at December 09, 2015 05:36 PM (MbrzC)
590
Brilliant, as always!
Small quibble, though, on the "I can't express how unsuited Trump is for the presidency..." I thought you talking about the "A boorish and crude demagogue" stuff, but you went with his being "impulsive" for changing his tune as situations develop? EVERY politician does that!
The insight about somebody will have to actually BEAT trump is one those things that is obvious as soon as somebody says it, and you kick yourself for not having seen it before. The commentary about his opponents who are veteran politicians also shows a lot of insight, but is too kind (or is it perhaps just being hopeful).
It's like those ads. It is just not who they are. If you're a career politician, it's "what you do". You're a follower who does what he's told he's allowed to do, and if you someone who could function any other way, you wouldn't be there.
That being said, you've brilliantly described how Trump is the ONLY one who has made it even POSSIBLE to do anything other than surrender to the commies who demonize us and have been actively and successfully working to destroy our country for decades. The complaints about him remind me of the Leftist assholes maligning the Founding Fathers for not ending slavery at the same time as they were taking on the world's superpower and creating the first country in history to successfully self-govern.
Small quibble, though, on the "I can't express how unsuited Trump is for the presidency..." I thought you talking about the "A boorish and crude demagogue" stuff, but you went with his being "impulsive" for changing his tune as situations develop? EVERY politician does that!
The insight about somebody will have to actually BEAT trump is one those things that is obvious as soon as somebody says it, and you kick yourself for not having seen it before. The commentary about his opponents who are veteran politicians also shows a lot of insight, but is too kind (or is it perhaps just being hopeful).
It's like those ads. It is just not who they are. If you're a career politician, it's "what you do". You're a follower who does what he's told he's allowed to do, and if you someone who could function any other way, you wouldn't be there.
That being said, you've brilliantly described how Trump is the ONLY one who has made it even POSSIBLE to do anything other than surrender to the commies who demonize us and have been actively and successfully working to destroy our country for decades. The complaints about him remind me of the Leftist assholes maligning the Founding Fathers for not ending slavery at the same time as they were taking on the world's superpower and creating the first country in history to successfully self-govern.
Posted by: Optimizer at December 09, 2015 06:29 PM (/q6+P)
591
Trump's appeal articulated perfectly! Ace has been on top of this from day one IMO. Sadly, Conservatives just can't seem to get it. National Review has made a joke of itself battling away at Trump and his supporters as if they could in anyway be worse than Hillary or what we got now.
Posted by: Aware at December 09, 2015 07:28 PM (HLYqz)
592
Sure you're not confusing Rubio with Cruz there? Cause there is zero comparison between Rubio and Trump.
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I dunno about that. Rubio's been hitting Fox hard and acting all bad ass. I did notice that Cruz is avoiding criticizing The Donald so you may be right. My head hurts from all this crap. In Chicago we have BLM all up in our face wanting Rahm to step down. If only he could take Barry with him. Oh well.
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I dunno about that. Rubio's been hitting Fox hard and acting all bad ass. I did notice that Cruz is avoiding criticizing The Donald so you may be right. My head hurts from all this crap. In Chicago we have BLM all up in our face wanting Rahm to step down. If only he could take Barry with him. Oh well.
Posted by: Redinabluestate at December 09, 2015 08:19 PM (UNFdZ)
593
I can't express how unsuited Trump is for the presidency -- are we going to have a president so impulsive as to change his mind from "Let Putin handle ISIS, what has it got to do with us?" to "Let's bomb the shit out of ISIS" and "I'll handle terrorism so hard it'll make your head spin" based on a single thing he saw on TV (San Bernardino) which completely changed all of his thoughts?
I don't believe for a second Trump is that jejune. Step back, take a deep breath, and think about it. The man has a top notch Ivy league education, and has spent the last 45 years building and running an empire, directly using that education. Trump's words are mere posturing. When he gets to governing it won't be posturing. And he will have surrounded himself with the best advisors, be they foreign affairs, military, economic, legal, or whatever else may be needed. I'm not worried about Trump's competence to lead this country.
I don't believe for a second Trump is that jejune. Step back, take a deep breath, and think about it. The man has a top notch Ivy league education, and has spent the last 45 years building and running an empire, directly using that education. Trump's words are mere posturing. When he gets to governing it won't be posturing. And he will have surrounded himself with the best advisors, be they foreign affairs, military, economic, legal, or whatever else may be needed. I'm not worried about Trump's competence to lead this country.
Posted by: Random Thought Generator at December 09, 2015 09:10 PM (AyOYp)
594
I hereby dub the Trump campaign 'Shock and Jaw'
Posted by: rayra at December 09, 2015 09:57 PM (eazKS)
595
Trump just played the whole damn republican party and the Pesstitutes who they grovel before.....After his common sense announcement to stop foreign invaders from coming here until the worse than useless govt can vet them....the whole of the above walked themselves out on that branch of political correctness that #Trump will happily saw off behind them.....He positioned himself right of the Liberal DC political and media whores and with 75% of the nation...he has the nomination and is one or two more San Bernadinos away from the Presiduncy....this isn't Trump being a buffoon ...this is Trump playing masters level chess while the opponents of Trump argue over where to set up the checkers board. He did it effortlessly.
Posted by: concealedkerry or submitt to victims at December 09, 2015 10:53 PM (kHv/o)
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"Trump is setting loose passions -- some useful, some vital, and some demonic and destructive -- and people find it liberating to think freely for once in forever. "
Demonic and destructive? I don't think so.
Is Obama demonic? I haven't read where you've gone that far before. What's demonic about Trump but not Obama?
Trump's demonic? Shit. Now you've gone too far.
Demonic and destructive? I don't think so.
Is Obama demonic? I haven't read where you've gone that far before. What's demonic about Trump but not Obama?
Trump's demonic? Shit. Now you've gone too far.
Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at December 10, 2015 12:43 AM (Kkq7J)
597
If being a "conservative" now means unbridled immigration, consider me an ex-conservative.
Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at December 10, 2015 12:48 AM (Kkq7J)
598
Man, your perspicacity sure can be perspicacious sometimes.
Posted by: bour3 at December 10, 2015 03:16 AM (5x3+2)
599
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Immediately after they shall be assembled in Consequence of the first Election, they shall be divided as equally as may be into three Classes. The Seats of the Senators of the first Class shall be vacated at the Expiration of the second Year, of the second Class at the Expiration of the fourth Year, and of the third Class at the Expiration of the sixth Year, so that one third may be chosen every second Year; and if Vacancies happen by Resignation, or otherwise, during the Recess of the Legislature of any State, the Executive thereof may make temporary Appointments until the next Meeting of the Legislature, which shall then fill such Vacancies.
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Section. 5.
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Neither House, during the Session of Congress, shall, without the Consent of the other, adjourn for more than three days, nor to any other Place than that in which the two Houses shall be sitting.
Section. 6.
The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.
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Section. 7.
All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.
Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.
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Section. 8.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
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Section. 9.
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Section. 10.
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Article. II.
Section. 1.
The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.
The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.
The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.
The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be encreased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.
Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:—"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Section. 2.
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.
The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.
Section. 3.
He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.
Section. 4.
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
Article III.
Section. 1.
The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services, a Compensation, which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.
Section. 2.
The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;—to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;— between a State and Citizens of another State,—between Citizens of different States,—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.
In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.
The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.
Section. 3.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.
Article. IV.
Section. 1.
Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.
Section. 2.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime.
No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, but shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due.
Section. 3.
New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.
The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.
Section. 4.
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.
Article. V.
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
Article. VI.
All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
Article. VII.
The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.
The Word, "the," being interlined between the seventh and eighth Lines of the first Page, The Word "Thirty" being partly written on an Erazure in the fifteenth Line of the first Page, The Words "is tried" being interlined between the thirty second and thirty third Lines of the first Page and the Word "the" being interlined between the forty third and forty fourth Lines of the second Page.
Attest William Jackson Secretary
done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independance of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,
G°. Washington
Presidt and deputy from Virginia
Delaware
Geo: Read
Gunning Bedford jun
John Dickinson
Richard Bassett
Jaco: Broom
Maryland
James McHenry
Dan of St Thos. Jenifer
Danl. Carroll
Virginia
John Blair
James Madison Jr.
North Carolina
Wm. Blount
Richd. Dobbs Spaight
Hu Williamson
South Carolina
J. Rutledge
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney
Charles Pinckney
Pierce Butler
Georgia
William Few
Abr Baldwin
New Hampshire
John Langdon
Nicholas Gilman
Massachusetts
Nathaniel Gorham
Rufus King
Connecticut
Wm. Saml. Johnson
Roger Sherman
New York
Alexander Hamilton
New Jersey
Wil: Livingston
David Brearley
Wm. Paterson
Jona: Dayton
Pensylvania
B Franklin
Thomas Mifflin
Robt. Morris
Geo. Clymer
Thos. FitzSimons
Jared Ingersoll
James Wilson
Gouv Morris
Article. I.
Section. 1.
All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.
Section. 2.
The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.
No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.
Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode-Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New-York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five, and Georgia three.
When vacancies happen in the Representation from any State, the Executive Authority thereof shall issue Writs of Election to fill such Vacancies.
The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.
Section. 3.
The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, chosen by the Legislature thereof, for six Years; and each Senator shall have one Vote.
Immediately after they shall be assembled in Consequence of the first Election, they shall be divided as equally as may be into three Classes. The Seats of the Senators of the first Class shall be vacated at the Expiration of the second Year, of the second Class at the Expiration of the fourth Year, and of the third Class at the Expiration of the sixth Year, so that one third may be chosen every second Year; and if Vacancies happen by Resignation, or otherwise, during the Recess of the Legislature of any State, the Executive thereof may make temporary Appointments until the next Meeting of the Legislature, which shall then fill such Vacancies.
No Person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.
The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.
The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the Absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States.
The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.
Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.
Section. 4.
The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.
The Congress shall assemble at least once in every Year, and such Meeting shall be on the first Monday in December, unless they shall by Law appoint a different Day.
Section. 5.
Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.
Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.
Each House shall keep a Journal of its Proceedings, and from time to time publish the same, excepting such Parts as may in their Judgment require Secrecy; and the Yeas and Nays of the Members of either House on any question shall, at the Desire of one fifth of those Present, be entered on the Journal.
Neither House, during the Session of Congress, shall, without the Consent of the other, adjourn for more than three days, nor to any other Place than that in which the two Houses shall be sitting.
Section. 6.
The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.
No Senator or Representative shall, during the Time for which he was elected, be appointed to any civil Office under the Authority of the United States, which shall have been created, or the Emoluments whereof shall have been encreased during such time; and no Person holding any Office under the United States, shall be a Member of either House during his Continuance in Office.
Section. 7.
All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.
Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.
Every Order, Resolution, or Vote to which the Concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of Adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the Same shall take Effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the Rules and Limitations prescribed in the Case of a Bill.
Section. 8.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;—And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
Section. 9.
The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.
The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.
No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.
No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken.
No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State.
No Preference shall be given by any Regulation of Commerce or Revenue to the Ports of one State over those of another: nor shall Vessels bound to, or from, one State, be obliged to enter, clear, or pay Duties in another.
No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.
No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.
Section. 10.
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.
No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.
No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.
Article. II.
Section. 1.
The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.
The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.
The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.
The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be encreased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.
Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:—"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Section. 2.
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.
The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.
Section. 3.
He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.
Section. 4.
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
Article III.
Section. 1.
The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services, a Compensation, which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.
Section. 2.
The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;—to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;— between a State and Citizens of another State,—between Citizens of different States,—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.
In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.
The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.
Section. 3.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.
Article. IV.
Section. 1.
Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.
Section. 2.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime.
No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, but shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due.
Section. 3.
New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.
The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.
Section. 4.
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.
Article. V.
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
Article. VI.
All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
Article. VII.
The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.
The Word, "the," being interlined between the seventh and eighth Lines of the first Page, The Word "Thirty" being partly written on an Erazure in the fifteenth Line of the first Page, The Words "is tried" being interlined between the thirty second and thirty third Lines of the first Page and the Word "the" being interlined between the forty third and forty fourth Lines of the second Page.
Attest William Jackson Secretary
done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independance of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,
G°. Washington
Presidt and deputy from Virginia
Delaware
Geo: Read
Gunning Bedford jun
John Dickinson
Richard Bassett
Jaco: Broom
Maryland
James McHenry
Dan of St Thos. Jenifer
Danl. Carroll
Virginia
John Blair
James Madison Jr.
North Carolina
Wm. Blount
Richd. Dobbs Spaight
Hu Williamson
South Carolina
J. Rutledge
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney
Charles Pinckney
Pierce Butler
Georgia
William Few
Abr Baldwin
New Hampshire
John Langdon
Nicholas Gilman
Massachusetts
Nathaniel Gorham
Rufus King
Connecticut
Wm. Saml. Johnson
Roger Sherman
New York
Alexander Hamilton
New Jersey
Wil: Livingston
David Brearley
Wm. Paterson
Jona: Dayton
Pensylvania
B Franklin
Thomas Mifflin
Robt. Morris
Geo. Clymer
Thos. FitzSimons
Jared Ingersoll
James Wilson
Gouv Morris
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On Firefox and NR's site ... why are you still using Firefox? I use Opera, it is so much better than Firefox, and as a huge plus, I'm not supporting Mozilla anymore.
I switched to a different browser the day they forced their CEO to quit because he had donated money to Proposition 8 in California years earlier.
I switched to a different browser the day they forced their CEO to quit because he had donated money to Proposition 8 in California years earlier.
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Ace is at last qualified to tackle the GoldsteinWisdom Primer Exam.
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Trump may be "boorish and crude", but he's the only American with the stones to stand up in public and tell the truth. That's _Mister_ 'Boorish and Crude' to you, fella.
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I can't express how unsuited Trump is for the presidency -- are we going to have a president so impulsive as to change his mind from "Let Putin handle ISIS, what has it got to do with us?" to "Let's bomb the shit out of ISIS" and "I'll handle terrorism so hard it'll make your head spin" based on a single thing he saw on TV (San Bernardino) which completely changed all of his thoughts?
Do you really think you can run a 20,000 employee operation by the seat of your pants? Do you think you can design and build and operate a building all the time by shifting positions all the time? YOU CAN'T AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT TRUMP DOESN'T.
But he does "think out loud." So what?
Do you really think you can run a 20,000 employee operation by the seat of your pants? Do you think you can design and build and operate a building all the time by shifting positions all the time? YOU CAN'T AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT TRUMP DOESN'T.
But he does "think out loud." So what?
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George Bush Slices Don Rumsfeld Like an F*ckin' Hammer
Top Top Tens
Democratic Forays into Erotica
New Shows On Gore's DNC/MTV Network
Nicknames for Potatoes, By People Who Really Hate Potatoes
Star Wars Euphemisms for Self-Abuse
Signs You're at an Iraqi "Wedding Party"
Signs Your Clown Has Gone Bad
Signs That You, Geroge Michael, Should Probably Just Give It Up
Signs of Hip-Hop Influence on John Kerry
NYT Headlines Spinning Bush's Jobs Boom
Things People Are More Likely to Say Than "Did You Hear What Al Franken Said Yesterday?"
Signs that Paul Krugman Has Lost His Frickin' Mind
All-Time Best NBA Players, According to Senator Robert Byrd
Other Bad Things About the Jews, According to the Koran
Signs That David Letterman Just Doesn't Care Anymore
Examples of Bob Kerrey's Insufferable Racial Jackassery
Signs Andy Rooney Is Going Senile
Other Judgments Dick Clarke Made About Condi Rice Based on Her Appearance
Collective Names for Groups of People
John Kerry's Other Vietnam Super-Pets
Cool Things About the XM8 Assault Rifle
Media-Approved Facts About the Democrat Spy
Changes to Make Christianity More "Inclusive"
Secret John Kerry Senatorial Accomplishments
John Edwards Campaign Excuses
John Kerry Pick-Up Lines
Changes Liberal Senator George Michell Will Make at Disney
Torments in Dog-Hell
Greatest Hitjobs
The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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