So They Finally Did the Vetting of Tashfeen Malik, and It Turns Out the Address She Gave Is Fake, and She's Connected to Pakistan' Most Notorious Radical Mosque

Rigorous vetting.

Excuse me? pic.twitter.com/LQoPdiIJNf
— Justin Ellis (@_JustinEllis) December 4, 2015

She was connected to the "Red Mosque" in Pakistan.

The woman who took part in the ISIS-inspired San Bernardino massacre is linked to her native country's most notorious radical mosque, American officials believe.
Sources have told Daily Mail Online that US officials handed over information to their Pakistani counterparts about links between Tashfeen Malik and the Red Mosque in Islamabad.
The mosque is infamous for its links to violence and authorities in Pakistan are now considering taking action against its preacher, Maulana Abdul Aziz, after the disclosures by US officials.

But, of course:

NEW: Shooting suspect Tashfeen Malik passed DHS counterterrorism screening as part of her vetting for K-1 visa, @margbrennan reports.
— CBS News (@CBSNews) December 3, 2015

By the way, a "news agency" which supports ISIS says the attacks were carried out on behalf of ISIS.

Salon gonna Salon:

The Salon: https://t.co/CIxdUXd3jm #Gop2012 #Tcot #Tlot #Gop #Election2012 #TeaParty #DefeatObama
— Gop2012news (@gop2012news) December 4, 2015

It's fair to say Tashfeen Malik had a face made to be burka'd:

JUST IN: First picture of terror wife Tashfeen Malik, obtained by @ABC News pic.twitter.com/lJfOx6eYwn
— Shepard Smith (@ShepNewsTeam) December 4, 2015

One last thing: I don't really think Islam, per se, is responsible for Islamist violence. I think it's tribal identity racism that's the engine of it -- the never-ending demonization of The Other, the never-ending conspiracy theories of how The Other is insulting you and slighting you and attacking you, etc.

I would like to see Muslims' outsized reservoirs of grievance and insult-taking to be diminished. It would help calm the more ludicrous Muslims if other Muslims were not forever talking up how they are being mistreated and oppressed.

But we're not going to get that.

Because the minute we post a picture of a mass-murderer, we get fresh Muslim grievance-mongering: A worker at Al Jazeera America chastised ABC for running the woman's picture, noting that she chose to wear a burka, and wasn't this disrespectful towards her family.

He deleted that tweet, but not before whining about his own new grievances about people's refusals to respect Malik's "culture:"

"I have no idea how respecting a culture works so I'm going to tweet bad things at you." - my mentions right now
— Hashem Said (@hash_said) December 4, 2015

Then a guy from CAIR did what guys from CAIR do -- he blamed Muslim terrorism on non-Muslims, for provoking them so.

CAIR-LA Director: U.S. and the West ‘Partly Responsible’ for Terrorism https://t.co/5MB9Oa2zc4 via @Aaron_Kliegman pic.twitter.com/6BW47OrJ06
— Free Beacon (@FreeBeacon) December 4, 2015

So, the dilemma we're face with is that many Muslims expect us to walk on eggshells around them at all times -- else we're provoking them, and that justifies their violence response.

Sounds to me like we can either be a free society, then, or a society that's welcoming of further Muslim immigration -- but we can't be both.

I don't expect Muslims to take the blame for things they didn't do, but I've now quite had it with Muslim leaders shifting the blame to people who obviously had nothing to do with it.

And I'm tired of Muslims taking every new terrorist outrage as the chance to lecture America on the supremacy of their culture and the steps me must take to better accommodate this culture and show more "respect" for it.

I do not expect them to accept blame that's not theirs; but goddamnit, I will not tolerate CAIR acting as the political wing of ISIS and acting as a "clean front" to deliver Global Jihad, Inc.'s list of demands to the West while the terrorist wings kill us.

That's what terrorist groups do-- they split off a "political wing" which is supposedly non-terrorist to serve as the respectable face of the movement. The terrorist group Black September created the allegedly non-terrorist PLO; the IRA created the allegedly non-terrorist Sinn Fein.

I'm sick to death of CAIR coming out and delivering ISIS' list of grievances to us, on behalf of Muslims worldwide, while at the same time claiming that Islam has nothing to do with ISIS.

Islam has nothing at all to do with ISIS; but, that said, here is our list of demands.

There's a term for this inside-outside game in which one party acts as the "respectable" face of the extortionist burning down the neighborhood: criminal collusion.

Posted by: Ace at 07:46 PM

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1 So this is worse than we thought.

Posted by: Franklin Eidetic, Mentalist at December 04, 2015 07:48 PM (8UvAj)

2 Called it.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at December 04, 2015 07:49 PM (m9V0o)

3 Well, that explains why Obama's FBI is struggling mightily to bury the story.

Posted by: Franklin Eidetic, Mentalist at December 04, 2015 07:49 PM (8UvAj)

4 So this is worse than we thought.

Trust me. It takes a lot to be worse than I think.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at December 04, 2015 07:49 PM (m9V0o)

5 >>"I don't really think Islam, per se, is responsible for Islamist violence. I think it's tribal identity racism that's the engine of it -- the never-ending demonization of The Other, the never-ending conspiracy theories of how The Other is insulting you and slighting you and attacking you, etc."

You are a far more perceptive guy then me ace, but this time you are way, way off. It's a culture of death. It's a war cult.

Posted by: Max Power at December 04, 2015 07:49 PM (q177U)

6 But by all means, let's bring tens of thousands more in. After all, they're being vetted to such a stringent standard...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at December 04, 2015 07:50 PM (m9V0o)

7 One last thing: I don't really think Islam, per se, is responsible for
Islamist violence. I think it's tribal identity racism that's the engine
of it -- the never-ending demonization of The Other, the never-ending
conspiracy theories of how The Other is insulting you and slighting you
and attacking you, etc.

Except that demonization of The Other is ingrained in Islam, as spelled out by their holy book. Making Islam THE problem.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 04, 2015 07:50 PM (+eR2D)

8 You know, I live across the street from Mohammed and Aisha; they're both doctors, originally from Pakistan.

I wish Mohammed a blessed Ramadan, he wishes me a Merry Christmas.

This really isn't that hard, sometimes.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at December 04, 2015 07:50 PM (DLu2s)

9 Islam IS the problem.

Posted by: Max Power at December 04, 2015 07:51 PM (q177U)

10 I don't really think Islam, per se, is responsible for Islamist
violence. I think it's tribal identity racism that's the engine of it --
the never-ending demonization of The Other, the never-ending conspiracy
theories of how The Other is insulting you and slighting you and
attacking you, etc.

Except there's no difference. Islam is the tribal identity. It's not a religion. It's their culture. It's what defines them. Just like the values of the Western Enlightenment once defined us. (Nothing defines most of this mob anymore, aside from feral nihilism.)

You cannot separate the two. Ever.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at December 04, 2015 07:52 PM (m9V0o)

11 "I don't really think Islam, per se, is responsible for Islamist violence. I think it's tribal identity racism that's the engine of it -- the never-ending demonization of The Other, the never-ending conspiracy theories of how The Other is insulting you and slighting you and attacking you, etc."

Ace...son... Clearly, you have not read the Koran.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 04, 2015 07:52 PM (+bVzV)

12 That's a MAN, baby!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 04, 2015 07:52 PM (8ZskC)

13 Ace, if you think Islam is not responsible for Islamic violence, then you are way behind the times.

Islam is violence, slavery, and conquest in convenient pill form.

Posted by: eman at December 04, 2015 07:53 PM (mR7Es)

14 Straight Hillbillies, is all......

Posted by: Andrew at December 04, 2015 07:53 PM (zEGDP)

15 Sounds to me like we can either be a free society, then, or a society that's welcoming of further Muslim immigration -- but we can't be both.

I don't expect Muslims to take the blame for things they didn't do, but I've now quite had it with Muslim leaders shifting the blame to people who obviously had nothing to do with it.

And I'm tired of Muslims taking every new terrorist outrage as the chance to lecture America on the supremacy of their culture and why we must "respect" it.

I do not expect them to accept blame that's not theirs; but goddamnit, I will not tolerate CAIR acting as the political wing of ISIS and acting as a "clean front" to deliver Global Jihad, Inc.'s list of demands to the West while the terrorist wings kill us.

*clambers to tippytop of highest stepladder*

*cheers*

That. Exactly that.

Posted by: alexthechick - Love and despair bitches at December 04, 2015 07:53 PM (IrByp)

16 Islam is incompatible with Society.

Posted by: Garrett at December 04, 2015 07:55 PM (/obXb)

17 It's fair to say Tashfeen Malik had a face made to be burka'd:

That's a two burka mug right there.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 04, 2015 07:55 PM (oKE6c)

18 Color me shocked, these asshats are pushing a narrative not looking for jihadists

Posted by: Skip at December 04, 2015 07:56 PM (k0xxN)

19 Quran (8:12)
- "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore
strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 04, 2015 07:56 PM (+eR2D)

20 So this is why FuckFace Lynch had to get in front of this.

Posted by: Minuteman at December 04, 2015 07:56 PM (yQVAQ)

21 Obama says man-made climate change can contribute to the increase in terrorism and that the West is responsible for climate change so basically he is saying America shares responsibility for terrorism just like CAIR.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at December 04, 2015 07:56 PM (rfjjV)

22 That's a two burka mug right there.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 04, 2015 07:55 PM (oKE6c)

Sometimes, it's best to be really safe!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 04, 2015 07:57 PM (ftVQq)

23 I'm afraid that we're going to see more Burhka Bonnies and Fahreekin' Clydes before the Democrats see the problem.

Posted by: East Bay Jay at December 04, 2015 07:57 PM (PvCxa)

24 >>19 Quran (8:12)
- "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore
strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 04, 2015 07:56 PM (+eR2D)

Creepy.

Posted by: Lea at December 04, 2015 07:57 PM (vmMMi)

25 Quran (9:5)
- "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters
wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait
for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the
poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 04, 2015 07:57 PM (+eR2D)

26 If we are lucky the Denial Phase of this war will soon end.

Posted by: eman at December 04, 2015 07:58 PM (mR7Es)

27 Vetting. Good and hard.

Posted by: dogfish at December 04, 2015 07:58 PM (0O2Lr)

28 *clambers to tippytop of highest stepladder*

Posted by: alexthechick - Love and despair bitches

*helpfully spreads trampolines and safety nets all around stepladder and calls 911 anyway*

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 04, 2015 07:58 PM (1xUj/)

29 The execrable media we have feeds this crap:

-CAIR, 4-5,000 members, tops, speaks: "We must listen to their point of view, and follow their recommendations!"

-NRA, 5 million members, speaks: "Oh, just ignore those gomers, they're the worst killers around!"

I'ma gettin' a sick and a tired of it, I am.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at December 04, 2015 07:58 PM (DLu2s)

30 Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at December 04, 2015 07:50 PM (DLu2s)

They gave Malik a baby shower. How'd that work out?

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at December 04, 2015 07:58 PM (rfjjV)

31 He deleted that tweet, but not before whining about his own new grievances about people's refusals to respect Malik's "culture"

- Hashem Said

Watch the media for "news" re Hashem Said. Allahu Akhbar, eh, "Hashem?"

And as for her "culture," a yogurt pot has a more intelligent and useful culture than hers.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 04, 2015 07:58 PM (oKE6c)

32 Quran (9:29)
- "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that
forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge
the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they
pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

{People of the Book meaning those who believe the Bible or Torah)

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 04, 2015 07:58 PM (+eR2D)

33 27 Vetting. Good and hard.
Posted by: dogfish at December 04, 2015 07:58 PM (0O2Lr)

And up against a wall. Sideways.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 04, 2015 07:59 PM (oKE6c)

34 I'm convinced the press intrusion into a crime scene was an orchestrated collusion designed to obscure evidence and muddy the waters. Or, maybe it's just that the FBI is now ordering GSA prayer rugs by the gross for its personnel.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 04, 2015 07:59 PM (ftVQq)

35 *helpfully spreads trampolines and safety nets all around stepladder and calls 911 anyway*
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 04, 2015 07:58 PM (1xUj/)

Thank you, Bander.

Posted by: alexthechick - Love and despair bitches at December 04, 2015 07:59 PM (IrByp)

36 ": I don't really think Islam, per se, is responsible for Islamist violence. "

It would be nice to think this, but it just isn't true. Islam is the most diabolical death cult ever conceived. The doesn't mean that every muslim is going to go all Jihadi on you, but the problem *is* islam.

Posted by: Lauren at December 04, 2015 07:59 PM (Kqit+)

37 Type an address into google maps:Stuff I guess they don't do when 'vetting'?

Posted by: Lea at December 04, 2015 08:00 PM (vmMMi)

38 fuck this death cult. to deny that they are a death cult is ignorant. they kill people because they are told to.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 04, 2015 08:00 PM (ucDmr)

39 'If you want to be happy for the rest of your life,
Never make a pretty woman your wife.
So in my personal point of view
Get an ugly girl to marry you.'

Posted by: Kid Mohammed and the Coconuts at December 04, 2015 08:00 PM (/obXb)

40 Pundit spin setting now reset to eleventy.

Posted by: eman at December 04, 2015 08:00 PM (mR7Es)

41 Pretty sure Islam is the problem. Pretty much since the beginning of their history it's been a shitshow of death and violence. And the invention of very important things. Such as the Iraq and Whatnot.

You need to legally carry if you can.

Posted by: Aloha at December 04, 2015 08:00 PM (rAhj2)

42 >>You know, I live across the street from Mohammed and Aisha; they're both doctors, originally from Pakistan.

I wish Mohammed a blessed Ramadan, he wishes me a Merry Christmas.

This really isn't that hard, sometimes.
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max

Would you mind moving your car? We have a large delivery to make across the street and it's in the way.

Posted by: Acme Plumbing Supply at December 04, 2015 08:00 PM (c7vUv)

43 So actual vetting didn't catch this bitch, but we're supposed to let tens of thousands in with no vetting at all.

Fuck that shit.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 08:01 PM (RuxkS)

44 Is anyone else getting an engagement ring ad with this post?

Posted by: Jean at December 04, 2015 08:01 PM (fBkaR)

45 Quran
(33:60-62)
- "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the
alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them,
then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they
will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."

I could go on...there are many, many more passages. But I won't.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 04, 2015 08:01 PM (+eR2D)

46 Let's strip away the bullshit.

For the most part, Muslims are worthless as immigrants. Yeah, there are some who are OK, and in principle worthwhile allowing to immigrate, but by and large, no. Let 7/11 and taxi companies find their low-level employees among the native population. Whatever the few worthwhile ones bring to the party is not worth the trouble the rest of them cause.

So I say fuck 'em. Leave 'em in their native lands. Allah put them there in the first place, and who are we to second-guess Allah?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 04, 2015 08:02 PM (oKE6c)

47 Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at December 04, 2015 07:58 PM (DLu2s)

CAIR, unindicted co-conspirator--- speaker of truth

NRA, responsible Constitutionally oriented American Organization, supporting law enforcement and the military---evil gun nuts!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 04, 2015 08:02 PM (ftVQq)

48 I don't think Islam, per se, is responsible for Islamist violence.

--

Gotta disagree with you there.
Islam is the poisonous tree of the bad seed that is Muhammad.

Posted by: @votermom at December 04, 2015 08:02 PM (cbfNE)

49 >>28 *clambers to tippytop of highest stepladder*

Unfortunately, that's still too low to get any upskirty goodness.

Posted by: Garrett at December 04, 2015 08:03 PM (/obXb)

50 This is what the PLO did pretty well for years.

On the one hand asking for respect, "aid, and "a nation of their own".

And on the other hand castrating Olympic athletes before murdering them...because why not?

But they were totes two separate groups....right?

Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2015 08:03 PM (5LOno)

51 And I don't think she's ugly, y'all have very high standards. The worst I can say about her appearance is that she seems to have a big nose, but I bet when her hair was down she was pretty. She has beautiful eyes.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 08:03 PM (RuxkS)

52 Posted by: Max Rockatansky at December 04, 2015 07:58 PM (rfjjV)

Fine, fine, they and their family have lived across the street from me for ten years now, and I haven't noticed them killing me much; you'll be the first I'll let know about it if they decide to poison the holiday cookies this year.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at December 04, 2015 08:03 PM (DLu2s)

53 {People of the Book meaning those who believe the Bible or Torah)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 04, 2015 07:58 PM (+eR2D)

Thanks DG. I am way past tired of Mohammedic Submission's core tenets being glosses over. And it is long past time we give it a name in English.

Posted by: Hans ibn Gruber at December 04, 2015 08:03 PM (ztYE8)

54 "I'm convinced the press intrusion into a crime scene was an orchestrated collusion designed to obscure evidence and muddy the waters."

They got the information they wanted about the guns. They didn't care about discovering any further information about the rest of the jihadi crew. Doesn't help push the narrative.

Posted by: Lauren at December 04, 2015 08:03 PM (Kqit+)

55 I don't expect Muslims to take the blame for things they didn't do, but I've now quite had it with Muslim leaders shifting the blame to people who obviously had nothing to do with it.

I WOULD EXPECT:

1. Sincere, loud uublic renunciation of islam terror by authoritative islamic voices as well as people in the streets: "THIS IS NOT WHAT OUR RELIGION IS ABOUT!"

2. The setting up of charitable funds by muslims to pay for the carnage caused by their co-religionists as a gesture of solidarity with the victims

3. Serious public discussion among muslims about what is wrong with islam that makes it such a curse on the rest of the world, and how it might be reformed

You can bet your ass that if it was extreme Christians pulling this kind of shit, every mainstream Christian figure from the pope right down to the pastor of the tiniest rural congregation in Christendom would be engaging in this type of activity.

SO WHY DON'T WE EVER SEE IT FROM THE SO-CALLED 'MODERATE MUSLIMS'?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 04, 2015 08:03 PM (8ZskC)

56 >>> Ace, if you think Islam is not responsible for Islamic violence, then you are way behind the times.

it's very easy to ignore a "holy" book.

They're going for the bloodthirsty, ego-driven-cult form of Islam because they *want* that, they want some reassurance that they are not, as they appear to be, the remnants of a backwards and fallen civilization long eclipsed by the West.

Posted by: ace at December 04, 2015 08:04 PM (dciA+)

57 I'm sick as a dog and furious about things that happened today.

I'm on my second bourbon. Then sleep for two days. But right now, I'm angry.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 04, 2015 08:04 PM (+eR2D)

58 Yep, I got the engagement ring ad, I assume it was in the screen shot?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 08:04 PM (RuxkS)

59 Thanks, 52%.

Posted by: eman at December 04, 2015 08:04 PM (mR7Es)

60 Dennis Prager today asked (to democrats) How many Americans are you willing to see murdered. Because bringing in mass of middle eastern this is what's going to happen.

Posted by: Skip at December 04, 2015 08:05 PM (k0xxN)

61 Posted by: Lea at December 04, 2015 08:00 PM (vmMMi)

That actual vetting be like work, yo!

Beside my performance bonus is based on how many approvals per day I can rubber stamp!

Posted by: Hrothgar, Vetter par excellence at December 04, 2015 08:05 PM (ftVQq)

62 8 You know, I live across the street from Mohammed and Aisha; they're both doctors, originally from Pakistan.

Wow, only 9 years old, and with a medical degree? Impressive.

Posted by: Splunge at December 04, 2015 08:05 PM (iMxBJ)

63 Because the minute we post a picture of a mass-murderer, we get fresh Muslim grievance-mongering: A worker at Al Jazeera America chastised ABC for running the woman's picture, noting that she chose to wear a burka, and wasn't this disrespectful towards her family.

***********

The Federal government had this photo and another of her in their database from the visa process

Wonder if the delay in giving the pictures to the media was over a religious freedom--burqa dispute?

Posted by: Danube River Guide at December 04, 2015 08:05 PM (mcm0N)

64 Rush was pointing out yesterday how CAIR had a pre-fab statement put out while the bodies were still warm.

Posted by: logprof at December 04, 2015 08:05 PM (vsbNu)

65 >>You know, I live across the street from Mohammed and Aisha; they're both doctors, originally from Pakistan.

I wish Mohammed a blessed Ramadan, he wishes me a Merry Christmas.

This really isn't that hard, sometimes.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max

I had a Pakistani physician and his wife as neighbors too, and they - well, he - I never even saw her - were perfectly reasonable.

But that's not the point. If you had a rattlesnake set up housekeeping under your front porch, would you wait until it bit somebody before doing anything about it?

Because if there's one thing that now is painfully clear, it's that you can't tell when a Muslim will go off. Maj. Hasan, Farouk Mohammed, these assholes, the list goes on and on. They were perfectly OK - until they weren't.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 04, 2015 08:05 PM (oKE6c)

66 SO WHY DON'T WE EVER SEE IT FROM THE SO-CALLED 'MODERATE MUSLIMS'?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 04, 2015 08:03 PM (8ZskC)

I think this time there have been a lot. His imam or whatever was very very vocal in condemning it, and what he said didn't sound like bullshit.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 08:05 PM (RuxkS)

67 I'm going to go ahead and blame islam. I guess the vast hoards can stay (2% of our pop?), but make them renounce their "religion". It's either us or them. I sincerely believe mo' was the fucking devil.

Posted by: Chris M at December 04, 2015 08:05 PM (6RZos)

68 I see the ad was embedded in the tweet ... still funny.

Posted by: Jean at December 04, 2015 08:06 PM (fBkaR)

69 Wow, only 9 years old, and with a medical degree? Impressive.

I see what you did there.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at December 04, 2015 08:06 PM (DLu2s)

70 They are not ignoring a "holy" book. They are following it. The Quran is an instruction manual for a murderous cult.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 04, 2015 08:06 PM (+eR2D)

71 56,

No, they are going for the genuine form of Islam.

The Muslims whose hearts are filled with peace are the radicals.

Posted by: eman at December 04, 2015 08:06 PM (mR7Es)

72 Islam is built on a fusion of Christianity, Judaism and Arabic tribal beliefs...but frankly their were plenty of weird syncretic religions like this that went nowhere.

Islam succeeded because Muhammed tailored it to be a tool a warlord would use to unite the scattered Arab tribes into a single force...by offering them religious sanction to kill, rape, and plunder their enemies. And it is this latter part that is the issue with Islam to this day.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2015 08:07 PM (5LOno)

73 Ace, I respectfully disagree. Islam via the Koran is a friggen mess. The ravings of a lunatic. Really. There is a shit load of crazy that constitutes basic beliefs. It's no religion, it's a political belief system.

Posted by: Seems legit at December 04, 2015 08:07 PM (OWndX)

74 Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 04, 2015 08:03 PM (8ZskC)

THIS!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 04, 2015 08:07 PM (ftVQq)

75 Full bush. Guaranteed.

Posted by: Random Perv at December 04, 2015 08:07 PM (Neu8w)

76 And I don't think she's ugly, y'all have very high standards. The worst I can say about her appearance is that she seems to have a big nose, but I bet when her hair was down she was pretty. She has beautiful eyes.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 08:03 PM (RuxkS)

*****

In the last thread we discussed ways she could work herself up to a 9. They involved baby oil, shaving/waxing and butt stuff.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at December 04, 2015 08:07 PM (OxOeA)

77 Just finished watching Insidious 3. Scary!

Posted by: @votermom at December 04, 2015 08:08 PM (cbfNE)

78 >>They're going for the bloodthirsty, ego-driven-cult form of Islam because they *want* that,

They are emulating their (false) prophet in words and in actions.

Islam is a bloodthirsty, ego-driven death cult precisely because mohammed was a bloodthirsty, ego-driven warlord.

Posted by: Garrett at December 04, 2015 08:08 PM (/obXb)

79 "I could go on...there are many, many more passages. But I won't."

And, I'm sure everyone already knows this but just in case they don't, islam follows the doctrine of abrogation. That means that verses revealed later chronologically override earlier verses. A good example is drinking. Early in the koran Mo drinks. Later he says that it's sinful. Because the later verse is what is considered the one that has validitiy, it is the rule forever more.

The same holds for peaceful verses vs killing verses.

Early in his life Mohammad preached more peaceful teaching because he was trying to grow his following. Then he became a warlord and rained holy hell down on anyone who he thought had "slighted" him. Those peaceful verses? Yeah those are abrogated by The Verse of the Sword.

And all muslims know this. It isn't a secret. So when someone says to you "allah says killing one man is like killing the whole world" they know damn well that verse was abrogated.

Posted by: Lauren at December 04, 2015 08:08 PM (Kqit+)

80 Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 04, 2015 08:02 PM (oKE6c)

I'll disagree to a point, because all the Muslims I know are doctors except for one absolutely darling girl who manages a CBTL I used to frequent ( she carried a picture of Dubya in her wallet, she adored him) but I don't think they're worth the price of admission any more, either.

No more. Not one fucking more.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 08:08 PM (RuxkS)

81 o, the dilemma we're face with is that many Muslims expect us to walk on eggshells around them at all times -- else we're provoking them, and that justifies their violence response.

====

my culture calls that Infantile Rage and has many remedies for it. It starts by taking them firmly by the wrists and telling them No one has offended you. You are responsible for your feelings. And if you lose control of them, you will be severely punished. This is your final warning.

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at December 04, 2015 08:08 PM (Cq0oW)

82 Fine, this is what I get for celebrating diversity.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at December 04, 2015 08:08 PM (DLu2s)

83 56 it's very easy to ignore a "holy" book.
Posted by: ace at December 04, 2015 08:04 PM (dciA+)

Sayeed Farook probably did, for a while. Then he started spending all of his spare time studying it. Then...

Posted by: Splunge at December 04, 2015 08:09 PM (iMxBJ)

84 The ugly was in her embrace of islam.

Posted by: Chris M at December 04, 2015 08:09 PM (6RZos)

85 The US does bear some blame for the terrorism attacks. We let the shitheads in.

Posted by: No at December 04, 2015 08:09 PM (1t0hM)

86 Juan Williams says....oh well, who cares what he says about vetting.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 04, 2015 08:09 PM (FkBIv)

87 How much burqa is allowed when doing passports and traveling in and out of country?

I suspect this gal could have traveled under various identities.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at December 04, 2015 08:09 PM (mcm0N)

88
They're going for the bloodthirsty, ego-driven-cult form of Islam
***
But that is the form of actual Islam. Muhammed was a brigand, a warlord, and a mass murder. Is religion enshrines those things.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2015 08:09 PM (5LOno)

89 64 Rush was pointing out yesterday how CAIR had a pre-fab statement put out while the bodies were still warm.
Posted by: logprof at December 04, 2015 08:05 PM (vsbNu)

CAIR form DD-666:

"The deaths of [insert number here] infidel pigs victims at [insert location here] is regretted, but is an understandable reaction to [insert bullshit excuse or imagined slight here], and the failure to appreciate our ~~foul bullshit~~ culture. We mourn for [insert terrorist assholes' names] as victims of [check one: racism, Islamophobia], and as far as you know, we are not celebrating their actions. ~~Too boisterously, at least.~~"

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 04, 2015 08:09 PM (oKE6c)

90 The Muslims whose hearts are filled with peace are the radicals.
Posted by: eman

I banged a Moslem girl named Eman.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 04, 2015 08:09 PM (1xUj/)

91 Nobody in the West would take these muzzle's shit seriously whatsoever if we had not all been steeped in political correctness since birth. Programmed since before the programmers even realized the whole program.

Posted by: NUECES at December 04, 2015 08:10 PM (avlDR)

92 Shit.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 04, 2015 08:10 PM (oKE6c)

93 I suspect that each of us, when we determine that in fact; our government, at all levels, does not have our best interests at heart, WILL make a determination to protect those interests. I don't think 14 dead is that tipping point, obviously. But there is a number. When that is reached, we shall see.

Posted by: Sgt. Fury at December 04, 2015 08:11 PM (8b2u+)

94 Try again.

89
64 Rush was pointing out yesterday how CAIR had a pre-fab statement put out while the bodies were still warm.
Posted by: logprof at December 04, 2015 08:05 PM (vsbNu)

CAIR form DD-666:

"The deaths of [insert number here] infidel
pigs victims at [insert location here] is regretted, but is an
understandable reaction to [insert bullshit excuse or imagined slight
here], and the failure to appreciate our foul bullshit culture.
We mourn for [insert terrorist assholes' names] as victims of [check
one: racism, Islamophobia], and as far as you know, we are not
celebrating their actions. ~~Too boisterously, at least.~~"

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 04, 2015 08:11 PM (oKE6c)

95 And all muslims know this. It isn't a secret. So
when someone says to you "allah says killing one man is like killing the
whole world" they know damn well that verse was abrogated.

Posted by: Lauren at December 04, 2015 08:08 PM (Kqit+)

Stir that with a double helping helping of taqiyya, and you just might have a recipe for trouble!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 04, 2015 08:11 PM (ftVQq)

96 Become a pig farmer.

Posted by: dogfish at December 04, 2015 08:11 PM (0O2Lr)

97 I banged a Moslem girl named Eman.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 04, 2015 08:09 PM

*********

I think she comments here.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at December 04, 2015 08:11 PM (mcm0N)

98 Ace, if you think Islam is not responsible for Islamic violence, then you are way behind the times.

it's very easy to ignore a "holy" book.

Also very easy to go homicidal when your holy book allows and encourages it.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2015 08:12 PM (cHbIE)

99 The Quran is an instruction manual for a murderous cult.

The consensus among scholars of Islam is that its context was the Persian-Byzantine wars of 570-620ish AD. [I already mentioned this in table9 chat]

This "cult" might have started as a quick write-up of Biblical commentary in Arabic verse by Constantinople, to get their auxiliary warriors ginned up for war against Khusro II.

And if I may further translate for the Book Thread morons - the Bene Gesserit might have seen the jinn that they were conjuring up, but they figured that they could control it.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 04, 2015 08:12 PM (CZlIp)

100 I suspect that each of us, when we determine that in
fact; our government, at all levels, does not have our best interests
at heart, WILL make a determination to protect those interests. I don't
think 14 dead is that tipping point, obviously. But there is a number.
When that is reached, we shall see.

Posted by: Sgt. Fury at December 04, 2015 08:11 PM (8b2u+)

This Administration obviously does not have our best interests at heart.
On the contrary, as is becoming increasingly obvious, they have our worst interests at heart.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 04, 2015 08:12 PM (oKE6c)

101 90 I banged a Moslem girl named Eman.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 04, 2015 08:09 PM (1xUj/)

Adams' apple stuck out a bit, did it? The clue was in the name.

Posted by: Splunge at December 04, 2015 08:12 PM (iMxBJ)

102 >>>Islam is a bloodthirsty, ego-driven death cult precisely because mohammed was a bloodthirsty, ego-driven warlord.

mohammad was that, but I assure you from personal experience, it is relatively easy to not believe a supposed holy revelation.

You're focusing on the how and not the why.

If a a serial killer kills a family and leaves cut-out words from the Catcher in the Rye, you would be right to think Catcher in the Rye is important to the killer's psychology. However, you would missing the mark if you thought that was the why of it.

The why of it is always the same sort of why: there is a deep psychic wounding in the person, often involving sexual dysfunction.

Catcher in the Rye is chosen as a the fetish, but there's a reason the killer had need of a fetish in the first place.

Posted by: ace at December 04, 2015 08:12 PM (dciA+)

103 Full bush. Guaranteed.
___
Islam is opposed to hair below the neck. I'm guessing a smooth top.

Posted by: Some Other Perv at December 04, 2015 08:12 PM (5LOno)

104 "There's a term for this inside-outside game in which one party acts as
the 'respectable' face of the extortionist burning down the
neighborhood: criminal collusion."

And as luck would have it, there's a federal legal tool meant to be used against just such criminal collusion: the RICO Act.

Obviously the Holders and Lynches aren't ever going to pull out the RICO big stick against organizations who are fellow travellers of the left, but wouldn't it be fun to see a Republican attorney general in the spring of 2017 stepping up to show off a foot-thick stack of subpoenas?

Imagine what discovery proceedings would unveil. Pun intended.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 04, 2015 08:13 PM (noWW6)

105 "it's very easy to ignore a "holy" book.

They're going for the bloodthirsty, ego-driven-cult form of Islam because they *want* that, they want some reassurance that they are not, as they appear to be, the remnants of a backwards and fallen civilization long eclipsed by the West.
"

Well, yes and no. Islam specifically, by its nature, can not be reformed. Remember the whole abrogation thing? Well part of that is that the final word of Mohammad is the FINAL word. So while I don't think you're at all wrong about the second part (these guys enjoy this) the religion is also intrinsically tied to this sort of thing. There's a reason Istanbul is no longer Constantinople.

Posted by: Lauren at December 04, 2015 08:13 PM (Z/8dZ)

106 I don't think 14 dead is that tipping point, obviously. But there is a number. When that is reached, we shall see.

Posted by: Sgt. Fury at December 04, 2015 08:11 PM (8b2u+)
Interesting thought, but as I recall 3000 dead wasn't the magic number either!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 04, 2015 08:13 PM (ftVQq)

107 I'm wondering how long John Q. Public is going to stand for this. How long will they allow a murderous cult to go unrecognized as they slay people around them. How long will they let these slaughters occur before things come to a head and the camel's back breaks.

Will they submit willingly or will they fight? I know what I will do, but I worry what the majority will do.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 04, 2015 08:13 PM (+eR2D)

108 91 Nobody in the West would take these muzzle's shit seriously whatsoever if we had not all been steeped in political correctness since birth. Programmed since before the programmers even realized the whole program.
Posted by: NUECES at December 04, 2015 08:10 PM (avlDR)

Some people are not worth a shit.

Same with some groups of people.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 04, 2015 08:13 PM (oKE6c)

109 When the crazy bastards write a book - you should read it.

Posted by: Jean at December 04, 2015 08:14 PM (fBkaR)

110 One last thing: I don't really think Islam, per se, is responsible for Islamist violence. I think it's tribal identity racism that's the engine of it -- the never-ending demonization of The Other, the never-ending conspiracy theories of how The Other is insulting you and slighting you and attacking you, etc.

Isn't that encoded in the texts, though?

The Koran, hadiths, and sira seem to be awfully consistent when it comes to infidels, unbelievers, apostates, etc.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 04, 2015 08:14 PM (9YDUz)

111 Posted by: Lauren at December 04, 2015 08:08 PM (Kqit+)

Ya know, the Bible is full of contradictory stuff too. And violence, especially in the Old Testament. And many, many many Christians I know seldom read the Bible.

Not defending jihadi types, just saying that not every follower of any religion is a scholar of their preferred religious texts.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 08:14 PM (RuxkS)

112 "There's a term for this inside-outside game in which one party acts as
the 'respectable' face of the extortionist burning down the
neighborhood: criminal collusion."

Think of the above and below grounds elements of the IRA.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 04, 2015 08:15 PM (oKE6c)

113 Bad, i.e. Beslan squared, jihadi event in this country.....

In the moment of angry emotion that follows, The right opportunist that is religiously resonant to the masses that follow the founding faith of this country....

Well,

American Christians-200 million plus
Religion of Piece, here-4-12 million

As they say, "Quantity has a quality all its own",

We'd be left picking up the pieces and this country and the world would never be the same.

If you doubt it could happen, think about it for a second.....

I simply hope it never comes to pass.

Posted by: Hillbillyking at December 04, 2015 08:15 PM (2HwOq)

114 IF reports are accurate, Farook spent a lot of time at his mosque before taking action. Hat does that say about his mosque?

Not peace inducing, peace incurraging, and certainly no "love your brother."

Stop thinking all religions encourage good and loving behavior.

Posted by: Seems legit at December 04, 2015 08:16 PM (OWndX)

115 but I assure you from personal experience, it is relatively easy to not believe a supposed holy revelation.

If your banging your head off of the ground six times day, you might not be trying to not believe.

Posted by: Jean at December 04, 2015 08:16 PM (fBkaR)

116 Wow,y'all willowed the fuck out of me.

Posted by: Steevy at December 04, 2015 08:16 PM (8HTq1)

117 Not defending jihadi types, just saying that not every follower of any religion is a scholar of their preferred religious texts.
***
Jesus did chase some guys out of the Temple with a whip but Muhammed personally committed genocide. You can see the difference in the religions built around each of them.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2015 08:16 PM (5LOno)

118 "Ya know, the Bible is full of contradictory stuff too"

But the trajectory is completely opposite. The bible from OT to NT goes from harsher to more merciful.

Posted by: Lauren at December 04, 2015 08:16 PM (Z/8dZ)

119 To the guy at Al Jezeera who says it is "disrespectful" to show Tashfeen's face: we should show her as much respect as she showed her 35 victims.

Also, if you don't want your face known, here's a thought: don't commit acts of terror! Or don't move to America where we show criminals' faces. Duh.

Oh, and CAIR came out to blame America for this. You know Farook followed CAIR on twitter, so wouldn't the Left be saying that CAIR must've inspired or incited him? They would if this was a white guy following the NRA on twitter.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at December 04, 2015 08:17 PM (xetep)

120 Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 04, 2015 08:12 PM (CZlIp)

You're in your element now, I love when you talk about this stuff.

He's written books about the history, y'all, go buy them!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 08:17 PM (RuxkS)

121 How did she become "radicalized"?

I'm going to fucking keep saying this until I become Emperor of the World (sorry AlexTheChick, but now I'm pissed and have to depose you!):

SHE WASN'T FUCKING "RADICALIZED"! SHE IS A FUCKING MUSLIM. FOR 1400 FUCKING YEARS 40% OF THEIR MARRIAGES, AND THUS OFFSPRING, ARE FROM FIRST COUSIN MARRIAGES. THEY ARE BORN PSYCHOTIC, AND THEIR "HOLY BOOK" FUCKING REQUIRES THEM TO KILL ALL INFIDELS AND SPREAD THEIR DISEASE OVER THE ENTIRE EARTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry. She was simply a Muslim. They are mentally nothing like the rest of us because of 70 generations of horrific inbreeding, in a way that we really don't understand at all. They are insane, and commanded to ultimately exterminate or subjugate us, eternally.

There is no "radical Islam". There is simply Islam.

Adjust your armaments purchases and home defense plans accordingly.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 04, 2015 08:17 PM (QWtgr)

122 But that is the form of actual Islam. Muhammed was a brigand, a warlord, and a mass murder. Is religion enshrines those things.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2015 08:09 PM (5LOno)

You left out "raving psychotic."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 04, 2015 08:17 PM (oKE6c)

123 >>The why of it is always the same sort of why: there is a deep psychic wounding in the person, often involving sexual dysfunction

...And sometimes a Goatfucking Death Cultist is just a Goatfucking Death Cultist.

Posted by: Zombie Freud at December 04, 2015 08:17 PM (/obXb)

124 111 Ya know, the Bible is full of contradictory stuff too. And violence, especially in the Old Testament. And many, many many Christians I know seldom read the Bible.

Yeah, but if they announced that they had started studying it for 2 hours a day, you wouldn't expect them to drop off the baby, grab some AK's, and start mowing down innocents.

Posted by: Splunge at December 04, 2015 08:18 PM (iMxBJ)

125
Posted by: ace at December 04, 2015 08:12 PM (dciA+)

If the Catcher in the Rye demanded eternal allegiance and proscribed the execution of those that didn't, you'd be on to something. You are missing a very important level of obedience.

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at December 04, 2015 08:18 PM (ztYE8)

126 "There's a term for this inside-outside game in which one party acts as

the 'respectable' face of the extortionist burning down the

neighborhood: criminal collusion."

We would like to strongly object to this characterization!

Posted by: Genco Pura Olive Oil Company at December 04, 2015 08:18 PM (DLu2s)

127 i should acknowledge that of course, ideological islamism has a lot to do with this. I overstated saying "that's not it."

But I think some people are missing out on a big part of the picture, here. Yes, an ideology of murder makes murder easier and more desirable; but there's something in the water (of culture, of cultural psychology) that makes murder even an option in the first place.

Posted by: ace at December 04, 2015 08:18 PM (dciA+)

128 Posted by: Aslan's Girl at December 04, 2015 08:17 PM (xetep)

Disrespectful.

My fucking give-a-fuck meter is gonna get wore plumb out over that.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 08:18 PM (RuxkS)

129 Its a pity more cannot be made out out the lefts hypocrisy with not rushing to judgement or blaming a whole group regarding Islam, but not with gun owners.
Peaceful gun owners and their advocates are responsible while peaceful muslims are not.
Their rush to ban guns should be equivocated to rushing to ban Islam since one provided the means and the other provided the motive.
Of course, the internet and filtered media output have ensured that only the loudest are heard which is usually the shrill tards on the left, and the spineless waifs in the GOP daren't make any kind of argument in response.

Posted by: Ring at December 04, 2015 08:18 PM (mTqmg)

130 Ya know, the Bible is full of contradictory stuff too. And violence, especially in the Old Testament. And many, many many Christians I know seldom read the Bible.

Not defending jihadi types, just saying that not every follower of any religion is a scholar of their preferred religious texts.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor

Which islamic text is the one we hope muslims are faithful to?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 04, 2015 08:18 PM (9YDUz)

131 But that is the form of actual Islam. Muhammed was a brigand, a warlord, and a mass murder. Is religion enshrines those things.
Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2015 08:09 PM (5LOno)

You left out "raving psychotic."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 04, 2015 08:17 PM (oKE6c)
AND "pedophile"!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 04, 2015 08:19 PM (ftVQq)

132 But Ace, I'm sexually dysfunctional, and I never became a killer. My parents made me go to church, not mosque. Even if I'm still not totally sure about what happens when we die, at least I'm not a jihadi psycho. It's the islam.

Posted by: Chris M at December 04, 2015 08:19 PM (6RZos)

133 Posted by: ace at December 04, 2015 08:04 PM

Ace; with all due respect, you're attempting to rationalize the behavior of a group of people based on your hope that the majority doesn't have ill intentions. There are non-violent Muslims there is no doubt of that. They are not the issue.

The issue is that Islam is a 'religion' in which the 'holy book' emphasizes deceit and violence against anyone who is not a believer. Islam is a political system that demands subservience and enforces that expectation at the cost of maiming or death. Islam and socialism and communism are simply shades of the same political system. Islam and freedom are not compatible.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 04, 2015 08:19 PM (+bVzV)

134 Another difference btw the Bible and the koran: Jesus says, "whoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when you depart
out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet." We're literally told to leave and not bother anymore. Muslims are told to make people convert or DIE. They have no notion of simply leaving people alone.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at December 04, 2015 08:19 PM (xetep)

135 If a a serial killer kills a family and leaves cut-out words from the Catcher in the Rye, you would be right to think Catcher in the Rye

***************

Your missing the caliphate. The global organization goals of ISIS .

The Murder porn propaganda of ISIS.

The outreach and recruitment on information platforms.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at December 04, 2015 08:20 PM (mcm0N)

136 Well I was going to use Google's facial recognition tool and then go searching google by image to see where else this portrait might show up.

but apparently Google has discontinued support for facial recognition in their image suit Picasa.

Posted by: Franklin Eidetic, Mentalist at December 04, 2015 08:20 PM (8UvAj)

137 Oh, and using the "logic" of the left during the Bush years, Hillary Clinton PERSONALLY murdered those 14 people in S. Bernardino Wednesday because her State Department fucked up in bringing this insane Muslim bitch (BIRM) into the country without proper vetting.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 04, 2015 08:20 PM (QWtgr)

138 but there's something in the water (of culture, of cultural psychology) that makes murder even an option in the first place.

Arab tribal culture was the gasoline-soaked tinder; islam was the match.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 04, 2015 08:20 PM (8ZskC)

139 Edit:you're

Posted by: Danube River Guide at December 04, 2015 08:20 PM (mcm0N)

140 Posted by: ace at December 04, 2015 08:18 PM (dciA+)

It's that tribal desert culture that was there centuries before Mohammed ever drew breath.

Religions generally follow the psyche of the people in any given area. The religion grows up out of the culture. Anthropology 101.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 08:20 PM (RuxkS)

141 They're going for the bloodthirsty, ego-driven-cult form of Islam because they *want* that, they want some reassurance that they are not, as they appear to be, the remnants of a backwards and fallen civilization long eclipsed by the West.

It is a bit more complicated than that. The moderate form of jihadism - that the "greater jihad" is one's own struggle with sin - is based solely on a pair of hadith (i.e., not the Koran) that only show up in the 11th century with no sound record of transmission. Under the usual Islamic theology, such hathith are considered unreliable, and as far as I can tell, both moderates and radicals acknowledge that the "greater/lesser jihad" hadith are in fact apocryphal.

Ask-Imam, a site generally considered moderate in its interpretation of Islamic law, took the position that the hadith are false but the meaning is true, and I suspect that that is a pretty standard stance. The problem is, because there is no real textual basis for interpreting "jihad" as anything but physical war on unbelievers, the moderates are NEVER going to win the argument with the radicals on theological grounds. The radicals simply have a logically unassailable case.

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 04, 2015 08:20 PM (bZ7mE)

142 Ace, I encourage you to investigate the Koran and Mohammad. Yikes.

Posted by: Seems legit at December 04, 2015 08:20 PM (OWndX)

143 I disagree with ace's basic idea of "not all islam" because we are projecting our values on an outside group.

Looking through online resources, I see these people are strange. There have been non-religious islamic societies but they haven't lasted long, eh? Iran and Lebanon were once blah blah blah the paris of middle east...

They have different motivations and values and we're looking at them like USSR politicians viewing US steel workers as "naturual communists" or something, missing the point that the US union thug just wants a jet ski, not glorious revolution.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 04, 2015 08:20 PM (FtF5k)

144 They're going for the bloodthirsty, ego-driven-cult form of Islam because they *want* that, they want some reassurance that they are not, as they appear to be, the remnants of a backwards and fallen civilization long eclipsed by the West.

=====

when Catholics get religion they join a convent. Protestants bang bibles on street corners. Jews move to Israel. Muslims kill.

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at December 04, 2015 08:20 PM (Cq0oW)

145 Technically I didn't write about Muhammad himself, just about the forgeries in his name 670-715 AD

... when the Umayyads were (trying at) consolidating an empire upon that "sura" matrix.

Thanks though, Tammy, lovez yaz

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 04, 2015 08:21 PM (CZlIp)

146 The tribal identity and hypersensitivity to it are baked into Islam. You'd have to excise Mohammed and everything written about him to eliminate it.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 04, 2015 08:21 PM (8+Fdn)

147 ...and yes there are good muslims but they are good in spite of islam not because of it.

Posted by: E.T. at December 04, 2015 08:21 PM (yq4gk)

148 It isn't the book alone, you have to take into account all the pedo rape. That is a well documented sociopathic driver.

Posted by: Jean at December 04, 2015 08:21 PM (fBkaR)

149 But the trajectory is completely opposite. The bible from OT to NT goes from harsher to more merciful.

Posted by: Lauren at December 04, 2015 08:16 PM (Z/8dZ)

Exactly, the limits proscribed by Judeo-Christian ethics are completely different. When a follower of Mohammed is challenged - the conversion of infidels on pain of death is the limit. No nice-nice will change that.

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at December 04, 2015 08:21 PM (ztYE8)

150 Posted by: ace at December 04, 2015 08:18 PM (dciA

I agree to a point based on the differences you see in the Far East muslim countries with the Middle East counties.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at December 04, 2015 08:22 PM (rfjjV)

151 But I think some people are missing out on a big part of the picture, here. Yes, an ideology of murder makes murder easier and more desirable; but there's something in the water (of culture, of cultural psychology) that makes murder even an option in the first place.
***
But that's the thing - Islam enshrines the horrible, evil parts of 6th century Arabic thought. There is a chicken and the egg here where yes the problem is the culture, but the culture gets it from the religion, which got it from the culture...on and on...

Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2015 08:22 PM (5LOno)

152
She had a baby? Probably another lie.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 04, 2015 08:22 PM (aErmE)

153 126 "There's a term for this inside-outside game in which one party acts as the 'respectable' face of the extortionist burning down the neighborhood: criminal collusion."

We would like to strongly object to this characterization!

Posted by: Genco Pura Olive Oil Company at December 04, 2015 08:18 PM (DLu2s)

Party? Are you looking in our direction?

Posted by: Democrat Party, a wholly owned subsidiary of the CPUSA at December 04, 2015 08:22 PM (oKE6c)

154 islam is not a peaceful religion.....the murdering muslim was trying to sell that line of bullshit to the Messianic Jew....you know.....they guy he ended up murdering.....with his peaceful fucking religion......

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at December 04, 2015 08:22 PM (0O7c5)

155 but there's something in the water (of culture, of cultural psychology) that makes murder even an option in the first place.

Posted by: ace

I don't see how you can separate textual material from a culture. They are intertwined at some point.

Would the West have become the 'West' without the bible, if it never existed?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 04, 2015 08:23 PM (9YDUz)

156 Looks like Tashfeen has one of those ObamaMoles right on the tip of her nose. Coincidence?

Posted by: IrishEi at December 04, 2015 08:23 PM (E6RIJ)

157 107 I'm wondering how long John Q. Public is going to stand for this. How long will they allow a murderous cult to go unrecognized as they slay people around them. How long will they let these slaughters occur before things come to a head and the camel's back breaks.

Will they submit willingly or will they fight? I know what I will do, but I worry what the majority will do.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 04, 2015 08:13 PM (+eR2D)

And it's getting pretty damned obvious that "our" government is on the other side. They will come down like a ton of bricks on anybody who attacks Muslims.

This is already the case in Europe, as people are criminally prosecuted for hate speech or self-defense.

Posted by: Reggie Love at December 04, 2015 08:23 PM (sdi6R)

158 Islam does not have a governing body on interpretation like say, Catholiscism. Any Imam can dictate any batshit crazy fatwa.

Posted by: Seems legit at December 04, 2015 08:23 PM (OWndX)

159 Hashem Said there'd be day like this
There's be days like this Hashem Said
(Backup singers) Hashem Said Hashem Said!

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 04, 2015 08:23 PM (kpqmD)

160 and yes there are good muslims but they are good in spite of islam not because of it.

***

Good to whom?

Non-practicing muslims are good bc they're chill and may drink a bit?

I don't know if there's a "good" practicing muz.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 04, 2015 08:23 PM (FtF5k)

161
I want them to publicize her naked body on a slab. FOIA! We have the right to know!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 04, 2015 08:23 PM (iQIUe)

162 "But I think some people are missing out on a big part of the picture, here. Yes, an ideology of murder makes murder easier and more desirable; but there's something in the water (of culture, of cultural psychology) that makes murder even an option in the first place.
"

Well, I would say that the vast majority of our jihadi friends are teh kind of losers who'd hang out on the R4K or whatever it's called board on 4chan. Losers who are losers at life and want to punish everyone else because of the list of imagined slights. And their religion says "Hey, not only are you right but it is actually the best thing ever for you to punish those assholes! Beheading them will actually get you not only revenge, but also heaven sex!"

SO you have that group and then you've got the group that starts out fairly normal but then learns what islam really teaches and convince themselves that to be good muslims they need to kill the infidel. See also: 4 Lions.

Posted by: Lauren at December 04, 2015 08:23 PM (Z/8dZ)

163 144 That's it in a nutshell.

Posted by: Steevy at December 04, 2015 08:23 PM (8HTq1)

164 "Ya know, the Bible is full of contradictory stuff too"

But the trajectory is completely opposite. The bible from OT to NT goes from harsher to more merciful.

And, because of the NT, we are not allowed to go OT on people.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2015 08:24 PM (cHbIE)

165 Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 04, 2015 08:18 PM (9YDUz)

That particular point was merely that not every Muslin is steeped in knowledge of the Koran. Many of them are MINOs, just like many Christians are CINO.

I think they ought to deport every last damned one of them; again, I am not trying to defend the crazy ones.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 08:24 PM (RuxkS)

166 Anyway, as to the scholarly consensus

https://iqsaweb.wordpress.com/tag/violence-and-belief-book/

And as for what my best buddy zim heard at that IQSA conference
http://tinyurl.com/gm7x5tm

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 04, 2015 08:25 PM (CZlIp)

167 "I don't know if there's a "good" practicing muz."

I like to say that the only good muslim is a bad muslim. There are plenty of people who are nominally muslim but don't gaf about what it really teaches.

The problem is that these people can become radicalized via my option 2. They become more religious and suddenly...they're jihadis.

Posted by: Lauren at December 04, 2015 08:25 PM (Z/8dZ)

168 Sadly, every single time I see something like Paris or San Bernardino I think,
"Thank God they didn't get it right"... i.e the bad guys...

Because those that know, know just how fuckin bad it could/will really be.

If that sounds callous, it is. Because what follows will be orders of magnitude worse.

Posted by: Hillbillyking at December 04, 2015 08:25 PM (2HwOq)

169 Ace, I think maybe you have not yet experienced deep religious belief in your life? If you have not then it is difficult to understand fervor.
Jihadis - they believe.

Posted by: @votermom at December 04, 2015 08:25 PM (cbfNE)

170 So she was connected to the Red Mosque--supposedly?

There is this at the wiki:

On November 29, 2014 the students of Jamia Hafsa, an extremist all girls seminary connected to the Lal Masjid, made and circulated a video in support of ISIS and Baghdadi besides asking the Pakistani militants to join hands with IS fighters.

On 12 December, a high ranking cleric of the mosque was detained and questioned about the video. Instead of disowning the video, the extremist Imam of the mosque Abdul Aziz Ghazi said, "I don't know why these boys are reluctant to say that we support the organization which wants to implement Islamic system."

Posted by: Danube River Guide at December 04, 2015 08:25 PM (mcm0N)

171 They are human time bombs.

Posted by: Steevy at December 04, 2015 08:25 PM (8HTq1)

172 We're not going to inspect THAT body.

Posted by: FBI at December 04, 2015 08:26 PM (HgMAr)

173 I don't really think Islam, per se, is responsible for Islamist
violence. I think it's tribal identity racism that's the engine of it --
the never-ending demonization of The Other, the never-ending conspiracy
theories of how The Other is insulting you and slighting you and
attacking you, etc.

Islam is a supremacist philosophy. It's also entrenched in backward, paranoid culture-- in fact, it's tailored to it. I don't think you can separate Islam from the culture it was tailored to, built up, and reinforced.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at December 04, 2015 08:26 PM (oVJmc)

174

Even "moderates" hold decidedly anti western and immoderate views

That has to be confronted

Posted by: ThunderB at December 04, 2015 08:26 PM (zOTsN)

175 Up next:

The Reichsfuhrer will impose an "Atonement Fee" on the victims in San Bernadino because of their crimes, which naturally caused understandable mooslim reaction.

Posted by: Sanfranpsycho at December 04, 2015 08:26 PM (afaIk)

176 Time for someone to vet Obongo.....for all we know he is connected to the red mosque...or something red.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 04, 2015 08:26 PM (ej1L0)

177
Ace is not attempting to rationalize the behavior. He is saying even with out the stupid koran, something is not right with this culture.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 04, 2015 08:26 PM (iQIUe)

178 Posted by: Lauren at December 04, 2015 08:25 PM (Z/8dZ)

CJN.

We should be decrying Islam, and helping moderates free themselves when they are ready.

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at December 04, 2015 08:26 PM (ztYE8)

179 Islam does not have a governing body on interpretation like say, Catholiscism. Any Imam can dictate any batshit crazy fatwa.

Hump your dead wife for four days.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2015 08:26 PM (cHbIE)

180 I think they ought to deport every last damned one of them; again, I am not trying to defend the crazy ones.
***
I'd like to hear the Presidential candidates as to whether they will stop ALL immigration from muslim countries.

It is time.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2015 08:27 PM (5LOno)

181 I thought they wore burkas because they were pretty and tempting. So much for that theory.

Posted by: Mega at December 04, 2015 08:27 PM (9Du4t)

182 I like to say that the only good muslim is a bad muslim. There are plenty of people who are nominally muslim but don't gaf about what it really teaches.

The problem is that these people can become radicalized via my option 2. They become more religious and suddenly...they're jihadis.

**********

right?

as I said above, a lot of muslim paradises when agnostic-ish were swiftly bombed or revolutioned back into hellholes

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 04, 2015 08:27 PM (FtF5k)

183 This Red Mosque, why is it still standing?

Posted by: Jean at December 04, 2015 08:27 PM (fBkaR)

184 Posted by: Aslan'sGirl at December 04, 2015 08:19 PM (xetep)

A Christian martyr is willing to die for his faith at the hands of others.

An islamic martyr is willing to kill unbelievers with his own hands for his faith.

Not a trivial or insignificant difference!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 04, 2015 08:28 PM (ftVQq)

185 Modern religions have rejected human sacrifice. Except Islam. That's a problem

Posted by: ThunderB at December 04, 2015 08:28 PM (zOTsN)

186 8 You know, I live across the street from Mohammed and Aisha; they're both doctors, originally from Pakistan.

I wish Mohammed a blessed Ramadan, he wishes me a Merry Christmas.

This really isn't that hard, sometimes.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at December 04, 2015 07:50 PM (DLu2s)

Yeah...i'm sure Farook did the same thing. Then he and his wonderful bride killed 14 people.

Do NOT let your guard down around them.

Posted by: blindside at December 04, 2015 08:28 PM (e792M)

187 Well, I would say that the vast majority of our jihadi friends are teh
kind of losers who'd hang out on the R4K or whatever it's called board
on 4chan. Losers who are losers at life and want to punish everyone else
because of the list of imagined slights.

And this is different from ghetto denizens how? Only in degree, not in kind.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 04, 2015 08:28 PM (oKE6c)

188 Look at this from another side, not Islam but Jews in Israel. They know if they want to believe it or not that Islam wants Israel gone.
But Jewish leftists keep trying to believe there is some common ground that can make both sides agree to a peaceful solution. There isn't any as long as one sides wants total destruction of the other side.

Posted by: Skip at December 04, 2015 08:28 PM (k0xxN)

189 Posted by: ace at December 04, 2015 08:18 PM (dciA+)

Inbreeding doesn't help... look what inbreeding did to the ceasars.

The Bible says that the sons of Ishmael will be against everyone else's. Ain't it the truth!

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at December 04, 2015 08:28 PM (xetep)

190 Choose from our many eligible ladies today and receive complimentary paper bags.

Posted by: Jihadi Jane Mail Order Brides, Inc. at December 04, 2015 08:28 PM (HgMAr)

191 The only honest Muslim I have ever known admits that his vision of an ideal America is a Sharia Compliant America with no infidels.
None.
Not subjegated infidels, mind you. No Jizya.

No infidels.
His words.
None.

Posted by: Garrett at December 04, 2015 08:28 PM (/obXb)

192
9-11 2001.

I will NOT forget, and NEVER forgive.

Whomever that offends is none of my concern.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 04, 2015 08:28 PM (jeCnD)

193 Even "moderates" hold decidedly anti western and immoderate views

That has to be confronted

****

they also radicalized by hate-america first school system telling them they're minorities and victims.

1/3 of world isn't minority especially compared to how small western civ is.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 04, 2015 08:29 PM (FtF5k)

194 Because those that know, know just how fuckin bad it could/will really be.
***
In the recent attack in India they were killing people for something like a week in a terror attack, IIRC

Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2015 08:29 PM (5LOno)

195 179 Islam does not have a governing body on interpretation like say, Catholiscism. Any Imam can dictate any batshit crazy fatwa.
Hump your dead wife for four days.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2015 08:26 PM (cHbIE)

"Test your suicide belt Friday night in the mosque, just to be sure it works. Because Allah wills it, and who are you to question Allah?"

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 04, 2015 08:29 PM (oKE6c)

196 "there's something in the water (of culture, of cultural psychology) that makes murder even an option in the first place"

Yeah. Islam.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 04, 2015 08:30 PM (8+Fdn)

197 Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2015 08:24 PM (cHbIE)

Well sure. And most do. But I know plenty of Christians who use the OT to justify bullshit. Just like many Muslims are using their book to justify all this crap, and that even if it says to kill people, we know better in this day and age.

Look, I wouldn't care if every last Muslim in the world disappeared, but it's ignorant to say they're all closet jihadis.

I firmly believe that we ought to assume they are and act accordingly, don't get me wrong, but you can't just assume they all know every word of the Koran and think it's cool to kill the Infidels, because there'd be a lot more dead people if the entire billion of them were that way.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 08:30 PM (RuxkS)

198 I will NOT forget, and NEVER forgive.

Whomever that offends is none of my concern.

Posted by: irongrampa

I'm still pissed over the assassination of Amb Noel in 1973.

Posted by: Jean at December 04, 2015 08:30 PM (fBkaR)

199 187 And this is different from ghetto denizens how?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 04, 2015 08:28 PM (oKE6c)

A uniting purpose and focus.

Posted by: Splunge at December 04, 2015 08:31 PM (iMxBJ)

200 Sharia...several "moderate" enclaves of Muslim people in America by majority want Sharia, Ace. Completely incompatible with American values.

Posted by: Seems legit at December 04, 2015 08:31 PM (OWndX)

201
What's amazing is how they are always killing each other. Blowing up each others mosques. And this was before all the other terrorist groups, eg, taliban, al queda, IsiS, etc.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 04, 2015 08:31 PM (iQIUe)

202 I think as a non-religious person, Ace either doesn't understand or is simply dismissing the religious aspect of Islamic terror. Disclaimer none of this is meant to be rude or obnoxious or an "attack," just in case the tone is misread. It's a lot to type out on my phone as I'm doing right now but here's the gist: as a religious Christian I will absolutely choose Jesus over this country. Fortunately I have not had to do that thus far, although I may be required to or my children may be required to. That was what Kim Davis was doing in Kentucky. Christianity basically calls on us to die as Christ did if we are persecuted or go to jail. We convert by changing hearts because someone who says they believe because you held a sword to their throat has not had a change in their heart. But I'm digressing. My main point is that I understand that Muslims will choose their god over this country. The problem stems from their beliefs and what their god calls on them to do in the face of adversity. I agree that the "otherizing" (for the record I hate that word so much) plays a key role, but there is a genuine belief aspect to it that is equal to the politics at play within the religion.

Posted by: PBJ1515 at December 04, 2015 08:32 PM (5E9w4)

203 >>ace

I think I read something that talked about bad apples bad barrel.

Schizophrenic killers = bad apple
Islam jihad all over the world = bad barrel

The issue is with Islam.

Posted by: Lea at December 04, 2015 08:32 PM (vmMMi)

204 "41: You need to legally carry if you can."

This is becoming a VERY common sentiment. I have lots of friends and relatives who're getting permits for the first time. So am I--I've owned guns for many years, but I've never carried concealed. My application is in process.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at December 04, 2015 08:32 PM (u5gzz)

205 they also radicalized by hate-america first school system telling them they're minorities and victims.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 04, 2015 08:29 PM (FtF5k)

THIS!
It's the problem with illegal Hispanic immigration too: even if the first generation is grateful to get out of their shithole country, once the ~~Reds~~ Dems finish fostering grievances among them, next thing you know they'll be talking about "their people" and how they're "oppressed."
For this reason alone I oppose all but a trickle of immigration. And my wife is foreign-born, and she fully subscribes to this idea.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 04, 2015 08:32 PM (oKE6c)

206 Maybe she had a head cold and was just trying to keep her ears warm.

Posted by: wth at December 04, 2015 08:32 PM (HgMAr)

207 It's sorta like community organizing, no?

Posted by: the littl shyning man at December 04, 2015 08:33 PM (U6f54)

208 Even "moderates" hold decidedly anti western and immoderate views

That has to be confronted

I htink that is pretty close to the truth. And it's a BIG problem.

I wouldn't say ALL, and I wouldn't say immoderate to the extent of approving jihad tactics. But they all think the West is slightly culpable to some degree, especially with regards to the Palestinian situation. I find that to be true of most Middle Eastern Christians, even.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 08:33 PM (RuxkS)

209
------------------------
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me.
----------------------------------

Actually, the Christians were left, and they went in and bailed everyone's asses out.

So now "they" are coming for the Christians first. Get it yet?

Posted by: Mega at December 04, 2015 08:33 PM (9Du4t)

210 Female mass shooters are rare...

I keep looking at that photo and thinking: there were no females involved.

Posted by: t-bird at December 04, 2015 08:33 PM (RrDm2)

211 194 Because those that know, know just how fuckin bad it could/will really be.
***
In the recent attack in India they were killing people for something like a week in a terror attack, IIRC
Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2015 08:29 PM (5LOno)

*******

Are you talking about Mumbai?

Pakistan arrested the mastermind of that attack and while he was awaiting trial they allowed him unfettered cell phone and internet access. Also unlimited visitors who were not screened. A couple of days after the terrorist attack on a Paki military school--

Pakistan released this guy on bail. Not sure of the current status.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at December 04, 2015 08:34 PM (mcm0N)

212 I think as a non-religious person, Ace either doesn't understand or is simply dismissing the religious aspect of Islamic terror.

Short version: they wouldn't do it if they didn't think that by doing it they'd secure themselves a place in Paradise.

That fact alone draws a straight line between their religion and terrorism. And there's no - I say again, NO - way of getting around that fact.

Islam is the problem.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 04, 2015 08:34 PM (oKE6c)

213 if you can't carry a gun...look into your state knife laws.....you have to have something on you to protect yourself....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at December 04, 2015 08:34 PM (0O7c5)

214 mmmm. Sexy.

Posted by: Fat Bastard at December 04, 2015 08:34 PM (HgMAr)

215 177 Ace is not attempting to rationalize the behavior. He is saying even with out the stupid koran, something is not right with this culture.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 04, 2015 08:26 PM (iQIUe)

Well, that's true. But that doesn't seem sufficient to account for the vigor of the movement to export the culture and resist assimilation once they've relocated to a better culture.

Posted by: Splunge at December 04, 2015 08:34 PM (iMxBJ)

216 Exactly Rick.

Posted by: Seems legit at December 04, 2015 08:34 PM (OWndX)

217 Ace, you don't get it. Mohammedan believe YOU must convert or YOU are worthless. You can be their slave. You can be killed. You mean nothing to them, they can lie to you and are expected to do so to help their cult.

You can NOT leave the religion. Like the mob, if you are born a Mohammedan, you must continue to be one. You can be killed if you leave.

The evil of this religion can not be cleaned up.

Time to stop trying. This cult is costing the world BILLIONS of dollars in wasted resources because of their beliefs. BILLIONS.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 04, 2015 08:34 PM (jJRIy)

218 Posted by: Sharkman at December 04, 2015 08:17 PM (QWtgr)

Thank you.

I don't know why this is so hard for people to say or to understand.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at December 04, 2015 08:34 PM (EQ2Ht)

219 So I was just talking about this with a ginger midget what needs stepladders for everything. She said something about how it's only in the last 50 years that the Moslems have been trying to kill the West.

Skip the Crusades, the Gates of Vienna, the getting halfway through France. That was forever ago. Those French weren't our French, there weren't even Germans. Maps change, people move about based on conquest. "We" are not still engaged in a struggle with the same "them".

Go to WWII, Lawrence of Arabia. Laurance wants the Arabs to rise up against the Turks. Auda asks "The Arabs? The Howitat, Ajili, Rala, Beni Saha; these I know, I have even heard of the Harif, but the Arabs? What tribe is that?"

The Islam vs. the West thing, I shall now postulate, is a phenomenon of the last half century plus. It started with Pan-Arabism, Nasser and those guys. Possibly a reaction to the creation of Israel. Certainly a reaction to noting that their culture had fallen behind the West's and a need for identity.

The virulent strain of Islam grew out of that and metastisized beyond Arabia to Iran and Pakistan and Indonesia, yes. But it's not really all of Islam.

There are 1.5 billion of them. If you hate them all you're hating nearly 1/4 of God's creation.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 04, 2015 08:34 PM (1xUj/)

220 Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 04, 2015 08:31 PM (iQIUe)

Eh, it's like the Catholic/Protestant thing in Western culture. Horrible bloodshed. All in the name of religion. English history in particular is rife with it.

Albeit centuries ago, IRA notwithstanding.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 08:34 PM (RuxkS)

221
Somebody commented the other day how muslims were find until they didnt get their way and then they went batshite crazy. i dont know how Israel puts up with their shit. They've had to deal for months with this stabbing bullshit including by women and children.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 04, 2015 08:34 PM (iQIUe)

222 Just to clarify: ABC News was able to determine that her Pakistan address did not exist, but the federal government uber-vetters could not.

Why should we trust ANY immigration or refugee vetting at this point?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 04, 2015 08:35 PM (NOIQH)

223 Malik came to the U.S. on what is known as a ~~"fiance"~~ "farce" visa

FIFY

Posted by: t-bird at December 04, 2015 08:35 PM (RrDm2)

224 What's amazing is how they are always killing each
other. Blowing up each others mosques. And this was before all the other
terrorist groups, eg, taliban, al queda, IsiS, etc.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 04, 2015 08:31 PM (iQIUe)

An effective intelligence agency could wreak a lot of havoc amongst them.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 04, 2015 08:35 PM (oKE6c)

225 Just to clarify: ABC News was able to determine that
her Pakistan address did not exist, but the federal government
uber-vetters could not.

Why should we trust ANY immigration or refugee vetting at this point?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 04, 2015 08:35 PM (NOIQH)

Simple - put ABC News in charge of vetting! /liberal

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 04, 2015 08:36 PM (oKE6c)

226 Not much one can do to reason with people who revere a mass-murdering pedophile brigand as the most perfect man evah and try to follow his every demented uttering to be more like him.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 04, 2015 08:36 PM (T78UI)

227 If the primary religion values human sacrifice

And the religion is the primary motivator of the religious and political systems

Then religion is the problem

Posted by: ThunderB at December 04, 2015 08:36 PM (zOTsN)

228 Relax. You are in good hands...

Posted by: TOP. MEN. at December 04, 2015 08:36 PM (vBeA5)

229 "Yeah...i'm sure Farook did the same thing. Then he and his wonderful bride killed 14 people. Do NOT let your guard down around them."

French people who personally knew the Jihadi Jane that participated in the Parisian terror massacre said she was a secularist party girl who just wanted to have fun, and who ignored Islamist strictures.

Until she had a bout with Sudden Jihad Sydrome, at which time her version of "fun" promptly became engaging in mass murder.

Do not assume you are ever seeing the real face of an Islamist, or sensing their true intentions towards you, no matter how pleasantly they may behave.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 04, 2015 08:36 PM (noWW6)

230 After planet X swings back around and the Aliens have colonized us,and we are all in the fattening camps, this will be the good ole days.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at December 04, 2015 08:37 PM (DEPJ1)

231 "I dunno' Mom...She can't cook and she hates take out.."
"But my Son!!! She's the best bomb maker you'll ever have a chance to marry."

Posted by: Judas Washington at December 04, 2015 08:37 PM (hCdMd)

232 A Good Christian who follows the Bible prays for the sinner and unbeliever, loves the sinner but hates the sin and is forgiving and compassionate and believes that following the mercy of Jesus will get them into Paradise..

A Good Muslim who follows the Quran kills the sinner and unbeliever, hates sin and therefore kills the sinner and believes that murdering the infidels and sinners is good in the eyes of Allah and will get them into Paradise.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 04, 2015 08:37 PM (+eR2D)

233 " I thought they wore burkas because they were pretty and tempting. So much for that theory."

One theory I read cited one of the pre-Islamic cultures requiring high-born women to be covered in public, but forbidding it for low-born women. Mohammed got points for treating all women like high-born women.

Except the slaves and dhimmi, of course.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at December 04, 2015 08:37 PM (8+Fdn)

234
Jihottie not so much. More like room temperature. Or less.
Depends if she's in the frig still.

Posted by: Fat Bastard at December 04, 2015 08:37 PM (HgMAr)

235 There are 1.5 billion of them. If you hate them all you're hating nearly 1/4 of God's creation.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 04, 2015 08:34 PM (1xUj/)
Yeah? So?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 04, 2015 08:37 PM (oKE6c)

236 There are 1.5 billion of them. If you hate them all you're hating nearly 1/4 of God's creation.

I don't hate mosquitoes, but I don't want them in the house either.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 04, 2015 08:37 PM (YJmuy)

237 Short version: they wouldn't do it if they didn't think that by doing it they'd secure themselves a place in Paradise.
***
That is an important point. The millennial aspect of Islam, or international/national socialism for that matter, help a lot of people do truly terrible things.

If you could usher in Utopia whether personal (as per Islam) or for the whole world as per socialism, wouldn't you be willing to do some otherwise immoral things?

Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2015 08:38 PM (5LOno)

238 There are 1.5 billion of them. If you hate them all you're hating nearly 1/4 of God's creation.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 04, 2015 08:34 PM (1xUj/)

Since we're invoking God, the Bible says all are sinners, and most won't get into heaven.

Ain't no big shakes to say that at least 25% of humanity is terrible.

Posted by: Hawkins1701 at December 04, 2015 08:38 PM (EQ2Ht)

239 Ace, you don't get it. Mohammedan believe YOU must convert or YOU are worthless. You can be their slave. You can be killed. You mean nothing to them, they can lie to you and are expected to do so to help their cult.

You can NOT leave the religion. Like the mob, if you are born a Mohammedan, you must continue to be one. You can be killed if you leave.
---------------------------

Wait. Are we talking about iSlime or Leftism?

Posted by: Mega at December 04, 2015 08:38 PM (9Du4t)

240 Nothing to worry about,only 40-50 million of the 1.5 billion want to kill us.The rest aren't to vociferous against the "minority" either.

Posted by: Steevy at December 04, 2015 08:38 PM (8HTq1)

241 There are 1.5 billion of them. If you hate them all you're hating nearly 1/4 of God's creation.

Your point?

Posted by: Peaches at December 04, 2015 08:38 PM (EgOr3)

242 Hashem Said---take a hike numb nuts. This is the face of a woman who murdered 14 people--so kiss my tookus and go back to your camel. She may love you.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at December 04, 2015 08:38 PM (Sda6L)

243 I had an argument about this with my buddy's wife (I think she's Susan Olivia C-K, actually), after the Paris attack . She mentioned that one of their neighbors was a muslim, and how could I say these things? I told her the problem is the religion, not her neighbor personally. She should be free to reject the false prophet, and stay in the USA.

Posted by: Chris M at December 04, 2015 08:38 PM (6RZos)

244 There are 1.5 billion of them. If you hate them all you're hating nearly 1/4 of God's creation.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 04, 2015 08:34 PM (1xUj/)
Yeah? So?

Posted by: Jay Guevara

I dont like the Chinese either ...

Posted by: Jean at December 04, 2015 08:38 PM (fBkaR)

245 So Arabs have endless reservoirs of grievances? Well, I suppose. I can think of other groups too.

Posted by: bjk at December 04, 2015 08:38 PM (x2rNW)

246 "Tashfeen Malik had a face made to be burka'd"

Boy howdy. Damn.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 04, 2015 08:39 PM (gpax9)

247 Why should we trust ANY immigration or refugee vetting at this point?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 04, 2015 08:35 PM (NOIQH)

Well, vetting Syrian refugeehadis is very serious business, so this time your government will get it right

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 04, 2015 08:39 PM (ftVQq)

248 I guess she's pretty hot if you prefer falafels instead of sammiches.

Posted by: wth at December 04, 2015 08:39 PM (HgMAr)

249 Said in the previous thread: I am glad the CAIR director said that, since that's obviously how he feels.
People need to hear this - that the 31 people shot somehow deserved it just a bot because of their government's foreign policy made some Muslims mad. Let that idea of justifiable Muslim rage sink in and consider what it means: we are fair game as targets of Muslim rage if our government does something that offends their Muslim sensibilities.

That, my friend, is *not* "co-existing*.
They refuse to co-exist.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 04, 2015 08:39 PM (NOIQH)

250 There are 1.5 billion of them. If you hate them all you're hating nearly 1/4 of God's creation.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 04, 2015 08:34 PM (1xUj/)

This is not about "hate" this is about survival. When a religion declares itself supreme over the world and it's sole mission is to convert the world, that is not exactly a passive threat.
I don't hate them, I fear them. Rubio is right, it them or us. You choose, convert or die.

I am not going quietly.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 04, 2015 08:40 PM (jJRIy)

251 The Islam vs. the West thing, I shall now postulate, is a phenomenon of the last half century plus. It started with Pan-Arabism, Nasser and those guys. Possibly a reaction to the creation of Israel. Certainly a reaction to noting that their culture had fallen behind the West's and a need for identity.

The influence of Marxism is factor that is seldom considered, but is important, I think.

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 04, 2015 08:40 PM (bZ7mE)

252
How come bears dont eat any human they come in contact with? They would eat a deer that came sash shaying by. So why not humans?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 04, 2015 08:40 PM (iQIUe)

253 "There are 1.5 billion of them. If you hate them all you're hating nearly 1/4 of God's creation."

What's it say about them that they hate the other 3/4 of God's creation?

Posted by: torquewrench at December 04, 2015 08:40 PM (noWW6)

254 Time to stop trying. This cult is costing the world BILLIONS of dollars in wasted resources because of their beliefs. BILLIONS.
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 04, 2015 08:34 PM (jJRIy)

Yup.....time for the world to realize that we either eliminate Islam or eventually they will eliminate us. Israel is the tip of the spear and the only to way bring peace to the ME and to the world is to kill muslims until they have a change of attitude, like the Nazis and Japs before them.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 04, 2015 08:40 PM (ej1L0)

255 Did I miss how they know he stopped going to the mosque 3 weeks ago? That's awfully convenient for the mosque, isn't it?

Posted by: East Bay Jay at December 04, 2015 08:41 PM (PvCxa)

256 She looks like one serious bitch. Local Abc news had good coverage today. Turns out granny was interviewed for 7 hours and other family for 4. They KNEW Fer chrissakes. Why else were they hooked up with Cair immediately?

Posted by: pj at December 04, 2015 08:41 PM (cHuNI)

257 It is simple. If a system of belief (including theology) also includes the need/demand for temporal punishment, death, and/or injury directed at any who leave their belief system - then such a system is NOT a religion because it is primarily a conspiracy to commit murder and/or mayhem.

If a system of belief leaves "Bad Results" to the spiritual (i.e., non-temporal) world, then it is merely an aspect of spirituality and the system of belief is a religion. When it requires someone getting their head caved in with a rock for wanting to become Amish, then it is simply La Cosa Nostra with hijabs.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at December 04, 2015 08:41 PM (7O9ts)

258 Posted by: Lizzy at December 04, 2015 08:39 PM (NOIQH)

Absolutely right, Lizzy. The fact that CAIR can even still operate in this country, or any part of the non-caliphate world, is very frightening. And, as you all know, I don't scare easy.

Posted by: Peaches at December 04, 2015 08:42 PM (EgOr3)

259 Her workplace must have been pretty drafty for her to wrap herself in blankets and get all pissed off about it.

Posted by: wth at December 04, 2015 08:42 PM (HgMAr)

260 Radical Islam was defeated once and it took Ataturk to do it.

Ataturk outlawed the burqa. He matched the sword of Islam with secular militarism. Turkey met civilization measures such as literacy rates by leaps and bounds outperforming areas around them. When liberals here celebrated the judiciary slipping out of military control to Erdogan it was really nothing to celebrate.

When Turkish Air Force officers were arrested in droves by Erdogan on little evidence the Turkish media turned a blind eye. Then Erdogan did the same to the army.

Now Erdogan arrests journalists without reason or evidence, and Turkey is close to civil war. People speculated that Erdogan would soon search for a unifying external scapegoat--and he has perhaps found one or two.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at December 04, 2015 08:42 PM (mcm0N)

261 The Islam vs. the West thing, I shall now postulate, is a phenomenon of the last half century plus.
***
Say hello to;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid_Qutb

Qutb was successful in bring an original take on Islam back to the front after Europe had mostly beaten it out of them in the Renaissance and early modern eras.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2015 08:42 PM (5LOno)

262 It's a religion of conquest and subjugation.

Seen the guy in the bowtie that gives the talk in his apartment, complete with PowerPoint? In 70 seconds he compresses the battles over the last 1300 years.

He shows how the crusades were only a blip.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at December 04, 2015 08:42 PM (U6f54)

263 Well, vetting Syrian refugeehadis is very serious business, so this time your government will get it right

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 04, 2015 08:39 PM (ftVQq)
So ... kinda like socialism, huh? "Sure, we fucked a number of times, but this time we've got the right people in charge."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 04, 2015 08:42 PM (oKE6c)

264 How come bears dont eat any human they come in contact with? They would
eat a deer that came sash shaying by. So why not humans?

Too stringy.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 04, 2015 08:42 PM (YJmuy)

265 Is it a common thing for them to "drop out" of their mosque some time before they make an attack?Perhaps to allay suspicion falling on their mosque.

Posted by: Steevy at December 04, 2015 08:42 PM (8HTq1)

266 I was talking with my mother this afternoon. I asked her what are we supposed to do when our government has abandoned us? That's exactly how I feel right now. The American people have been abandoned by the people responsible for our protection.

Posted by: no good deed at December 04, 2015 08:42 PM (GgxVX)

267 This is somewhat relevant to this thread. It's an expanded version of a comment I posted at another blog.

Anyone, feel free to save it and post it elsewhere, in full or in part. (Please DON'T give me credit! I don't need that kind of attention.

)

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When Muslims are a tiny minority in a population, they tend to be peaceful and keep to themselves. They may be upstanding members of society. They say, "We just want to be left alone to practice our religion in peace."

As their numbers grow, they begin making demands on the majority population. They will use the infidels' sense of tolerance against them. They will demand that Muslim cabdrivers not be required to pick up fares with alcohol or seeing-eye dogs, that Muslim checkout clerks in grocery stores not be required to handle pork products, or that Muslim-style footbaths be installed in public restrooms. Any resistance to their demands is met with accusations of bigotry or Islamophobia.

When their numbers climb above 5% or so, they begin to get violent. It starts small, with scattered incidents that slowly become more organized and frequent. Above 10%, conditions really begin to deteriorate. They become openly threatening and aggressive towards kaffirs in public. Muslim political leaders get elected to more and more government offices, and begin to influence public policy. They start putting loudspeakers on mosques, forcing everyone to hear that caterwauling five times a day, every day, for the rest of their lives. There is no escape.

As their numbers climb higher, violent incidents become endemic. They begin to attack churches and synagogues filled with worshippers. Non-Muslims start to flee the violence, causing the Muslim percentage of the population to grow even faster.

Above 50%, it's "Convert, pay the jizya, or die, infidel."

Islam teaches that Muslims are superior to all other people. Non-Muslims are technically "tolerated" in a majority Muslim nation, but under sharia law they are legally second-class citizens. They must pay a special tax and there may be additional restrictions placed on their behavior. Historically, these have taken different forms in different times and places. For example, a non-Muslim may not be allowed to build his house taller than the house of a Muslim, or he may not be allowed to look a Muslim in the eye but keep his eyes downcast, or he may be required to wear special clothing to advertise his status as a dhimmi. (Where do you think Hitler got his idea of making Jews wear a yellow Star of David? Yep.)

In a Muslim majority nation, non-Muslims may be subject to being beaten, raped, or killed by Muslims, at a whim or on a slender pretext, and there are often little or no legal consequences for doing so. Rape of uncovered women by Muslim men has reached epidemic portions in parts of Europe, and they're not even a majority yet.

This pattern has repeated time and time again in countries that have been conquered by Islam. It is as predictable as the sunrise.

Posted by: rickl at December 04, 2015 08:42 PM (sdi6R)

268
Whoa! That face could stop a clock.

I think I want to go home now.

Posted by: Ahmed at December 04, 2015 08:42 PM (9mTYi)

269 Certainly a reaction to noting that their culture had fallen behind the West's and a need for identity.

Their culture fell behind the west 700 years ago.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2015 08:42 PM (cHbIE)

270 What's it say about them that they hate the other 3/4 of God's creation?

Oh...hey...

Yeah....what about that there?

Posted by: eleven at December 04, 2015 08:42 PM (rjtGa)

271 I do think that Islam is responsible for Islamic violence. Muslims are supposed to subjugate the entire world to Islam. Force, even violent force, is entirely acceptable in Islam.

Posted by: Emmie at December 04, 2015 08:42 PM (xHPCo)

272 "That was forever ago."

There's a reason why we include "the sea of Tripoli" in the Marines' Hymn.

Posted by: Lauren at December 04, 2015 08:42 PM (Kqit+)

273 Catcher in the Rye is chosen as a the fetish, but there's a reason the killer had need of a fetish in the first place.
Posted by: ace at December 04, 2015 08:12 PM

But the fact once these Muslim nutjobs convince themselves that killing infinidles is a great calling
it's a fetish for them.

Posted by: Farmer at December 04, 2015 08:43 PM (o/90i)

274 Brandersnatch I respectfully ask, what's your point?

Posted by: Seems legit at December 04, 2015 08:43 PM (OWndX)

275 I hate the meme that we are stealing their oil. We buy it. We dont steal it. And they would still be wallowing in mud if we hadnt discovered and developed their oil industries and paid for the oil extracted.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 04, 2015 08:43 PM (iQIUe)

276 Whose bitch is this?

Posted by: Annoyed Muslim at December 04, 2015 08:43 PM (9mTYi)

277 Nothing to worry about,only 40-50 million of the 1.5 billion want to kill us.The rest aren't to vociferous against the "minority" either.
Posted by: Steevy at December 04, 2015 08:38 PM (8HTq1)

See, that's the thing...I'll defend the average Muslim because I know plenty and I worked with several Muslim doctors who were lovely, kind people and most of them aren't even religious.

But gawd damn, it only takes a handful to wreak absolute havoc, and it is time to quit taking chances.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 08:43 PM (RuxkS)

278 They happily sacrifice their children to jihad

That is human sacrifice. That is a problem

Posted by: ThunderB at December 04, 2015 08:43 PM (zOTsN)

279 The Islam vs. the West thing, I shall now
postulate, is a phenomenon of the last half century plus. It started
with Pan-Arabism, Nasser and those guys. Possibly a reaction to the
creation of Israel. Certainly a reaction to noting that their culture
had fallen behind the West's and a need for identity.

The influence of Marxism is factor that is seldom considered, but is important, I think.

Posted by: Grey Fox

I think it goes back the German imperialists before WWI. They were courting the Turks and the Indian Muslims to challenge the British hegemony in the area. There are several good books on their role. They basically re-invigorated jihad to get the Muslims in India to revolt.

Posted by: Jean at December 04, 2015 08:44 PM (fBkaR)

280 251
The Islam vs. the West thing, I shall now postulate, is a phenomenon
of the last half ~~century~~ 1,000 years plus. It started with Pan-Arabism, Nasser and
those guys. Possibly a reaction to the creation of Israel. Certainly a
reaction to noting that their culture had fallen behind the West's and a
need for identity.

FIFY. It started with Mohammedans taking over Jerusalem over 1,000 years ago. Hello?

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 04, 2015 08:44 PM (jJRIy)

281 "One last thing: I don't really think Islam, per se, is responsible for Islamist violence."

Islam is absolutely responsible for Islamist violence. Take a look at the koran, with over 100 verses calling for prescriptive violence.

Posted by: Titanium at December 04, 2015 08:44 PM (u9UgT)

282 I'm gonna get a cow - I have duty jury anyway and the sheriff official is right there. Not sure who to use as a reference though.

Posted by: @votermom at December 04, 2015 08:44 PM (cbfNE)

283 Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 04, 2015 08:43 PM (iQIUe)

Shit, WE don't even use it. We get most of ours from Canada and Mexico.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 08:44 PM (RuxkS)

284 What's it say about them that they hate the other 3/4 of God's creation?
***
Ever notice that the boundaries of Islam with any other group is war, terror, and mayhem?

Islam is at war with secular Euros, Christian Americans, Jewish in Israel, Buddhists in Thailand, Hindus in India, etc, etc etc.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 04, 2015 08:44 PM (5LOno)

285 Too many rational people try to over think what's going on here. The term "benefit of the doubt" does not apply to these people.

Islam is easy to understand if you don't try to imagine it has positive attributes it doesn't have.

Islam is a suicide murder cult.

If you view it through that lens it all becomes crystal clear.

A suicide murder cult.

Posted by: weirdflunkyonatablet at December 04, 2015 08:44 PM (aeeHw)

286 I have gotten to the point that I no longer care about Muslims in America. I just don't. We are all targets. We are not safe in America. It is a violent religion and violent culture where hate abounds. I don't care which Muslim is peaceful and who is not. Where is the outrage from the Muslim Comunity against these Muslims who have "high jacked" their religion? Nope. Mainly whining and complaining. Enough.

Posted by: Courtney at December 04, 2015 08:44 PM (AODJG)

287 "There are 1.5 billion of them. If you hate them all you're hating nearly 1/4 of God's creation."

Just out of curiosity, what proportion of God's creation is it OK to hate?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 04, 2015 08:44 PM (oKE6c)

288 Um not a cow auto cucumber...

Posted by: @votermom at December 04, 2015 08:44 PM (cbfNE)

289 ISLAM [/b/] is absolutely the PROBLEM.

The highest good in Islam is the slaughter or conversion of infidels in order to HASTEN the arrival of the Caliphate ruled over by the 12th Imam, which will bring about PEACE because the entire world will have submitted to Allah. NOTE: Slaughter is exactly equal to conversion in terms of "good". The only good infidel is a dead infidel. Even someone they take as a slave must convert or be put to death.

Cradle to grave, that is all the are taught and it is all they care about--Bringing About The Caliphate. Any muslim who does not believe this and support this is an apostate and they are just as worthy of death as an infidel.

But, of course, CAIR and its ilk use our legal system against us in a form of taquiya, to once again HASTEN THE CALIPHATE.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at December 04, 2015 08:45 PM (kXoT0)

290 Ace is correct about something --Radicsl Islam's greatest weakness is that it divides on itself and other Muslims are killed by geat numbers in its name. So if you have to make jumps to keep it divided so be it.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at December 04, 2015 08:45 PM (mcm0N)

291 I would like to see Muslims' outsized reservoirs of grievance and insult-taking to be diminished. It would help calm the more ludicrous Muslims if other Muslims were not forever talking up how they are being mistreated and oppressed.

Which is why they fit in so well with the progressive left. Their outsized entitlement mentality and grievance-mongering makes them indistinguishable from hipsters, feminists, MSNBC news readers, or any of the other entrants in the left's parade of insufferable douchebags.

Posted by: OregonMuse at December 04, 2015 08:45 PM (dIz5m)

292 Catcher in the Rye is chosen as a the fetish, but there's a reason the killer had need of a fetish in the first place.

Posted by: ace at December 04, 2015 08:12 PM (dciA+)

You might have a point if Catcher was only used once, maybe twice. But when the same book is used over and over and over again, and we see similar results from people halfway around the world on a daily basis who follow said book, the argument doesn't hold water.

Posted by: Blano at December 04, 2015 08:45 PM (rkBpl)

293 So the moslems position is that it is our fault?

Maybe they should go back to their own culture/countries....

Posted by: Jake at December 04, 2015 08:46 PM (QelBn)

294 Posted by: rickl at December 04, 2015 08:42 PM (sdi6R)

Fuckin' right, rickl. This is war and, if we don't engage, right now, in the streets of OUR country, it's over.

Posted by: Peaches at December 04, 2015 08:46 PM (EgOr3)

295 "Bringing About The Caliphate."

Which is exactly what ISIS claims to be.

Posted by: Lauren at December 04, 2015 08:46 PM (Kqit+)

296 Islam is only 1500 years old. The region it sprang from has been brutal and backward throughout that time.

It didn't transform the culture, it was tailored to it.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at December 04, 2015 08:46 PM (oVJmc)

297 Therefore, Islam - as written by the spastic murderous thief and pedophile Mohammed of the 7th Century - is simply the rules to a large, pissy group of bandits and rapists.

If there are "moderate" muslims, they are required to deny the whole "Death to those who Insult the false prophet" and "death to apostates" and even "noogies to anyone who blasphemes or insults Islam".

They must become peaceful in all aspects before they can be counted among the various religions of the world. Based on fact, Islam has never been a religion. It has only been a set of rules for rapists, thieves, genocidal maniacs, and murderers of all stripes.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at December 04, 2015 08:46 PM (7O9ts)

298 Sorry for not closing the bold. I really don't mind it all being in bold though, because it's true. There are no moderate muslims, just muslims who find it convenient to be seen as moderates.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at December 04, 2015 08:46 PM (kXoT0)

299 253.............AMEN

Posted by: Seems legit at December 04, 2015 08:47 PM (OWndX)

300 286 I have gotten to the point that I no longer care about Muslims in America. I just don't. We are all targets. We are not safe in America. It is a violent religion and violent culture where hate abounds. I don't care which Muslim is peaceful and who is not. Where is the outrage from the Muslim Comunity against these Muslims who have "high jacked" their religion? Nope. Mainly whining and complaining. Enough.
Posted by: Courtney at December 04, 2015 08:44 PM (AODJG)

Their religion teaches murder and subjugation. In some, the teachings take. In others, they don't. In still others, it's not clear.

Bottom line: the religion is the problem, and we cannot abide having its adherents in our country. What are we going to do, ask them "Are you a shitty Muslim?"

We wouldn't tolerate the Aztec religion, and we didn't tolerate the Mormon religion until it 86ed polygamy (which is chump change in this context). Freedom of religion is not absolute.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 04, 2015 08:47 PM (oKE6c)

301 Ace with a real head scratcher of a comment!
The world is full of tribal affiliations,
how many of them are engaging in terrorism?

Posted by: Mister Ghost at December 04, 2015 08:48 PM (kJ+36)

302 @253

"There are 1.5 billion of them. If you hate them all you're hating nearly 1/4 of God's creation."

What's it say about them that they hate the other 3/4 of God's creation?

Exactly, Torque, Exactly.....

Posted by: Hillbillyking at December 04, 2015 08:48 PM (2HwOq)

303 It is simple. If a system of belief (including theology) also includes the need/demand for temporal punishment, death, and/or injury directed at any who leave their belief system - then such a system is NOT a religion because it is primarily a conspiracy to commit murder and/or mayhem.

Why would you define "religion" as holding forth only spiritual threats?

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 04, 2015 08:48 PM (bZ7mE)

304 Yup.....time for the world to realize that we either
eliminate Islam or eventually they will eliminate us. Israel is the tip
of the spear and the only to way bring peace to the ME and to the world
is to kill muslims until they have a change of attitude, like the Nazis
and Japs before them.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 04, 2015 08:40 PM (ej1L0)

Yes, we like this, keep your head in the sand. Nothing here to see. We only want your land and women.

Posted by: Mohamed, the goat fucker at December 04, 2015 08:49 PM (jJRIy)

305 Votermom, I was wondering about having to check with the sheriff official to get a cow!

Posted by: Emmie at December 04, 2015 08:49 PM (xHPCo)

306 After seeing Malik's photo it made think of the movie "Spy" and the Melissa McCarthy quote.

"And fuck you for saying I look anything like that fucking beast... No wonder your dad never had the son he wanted; you fuck that monster once, and you just drop the fucking mic and walk out."

Posted by: YatYas at December 04, 2015 08:49 PM (5v4w4)

307 There's a term for this inside-outside game in which one party acts as
the "respectable" face of the extortionist burning down the
neighborhood: criminal collusion.

No, that pretends terrorism is a criminal matter.

CAIR is ISIS' State Department

Posted by: Methos at December 04, 2015 08:49 PM (ZbV+0)

308 I don't have any copies of the Koran to burn tonight, but I will gladly toss a copy of the Catcher in the Rye in.

Posted by: Jean at December 04, 2015 08:49 PM (fBkaR)

309 255 Did I miss how they know he stopped going to the mosque 3 weeks ago? That's awfully convenient for the mosque, isn't it?
Posted by: East Bay Jay at December 04, 2015 08:41 PM (PvCxa)

============

They count butts?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 04, 2015 08:50 PM (iQIUe)

310 once islam hits 40-50% it does not take very long to get to 99%.

Turkey and Egypt were christian countries for hundreds of years before islem showed up.

Now they are 98%+ moslem

Posted by: Jake at December 04, 2015 08:50 PM (QelBn)

311
Fuck ISIS.
Fuck al-Queda.
Fuck Islam.
Bomb every military site to dust.
Force every refugee back to their home country.
Fellow Muslims in SA, Dubai, Water et all can pay for their care.
Drive them from the West until they establish their own representation of republics and representational democracy. They are both unwilling and unable to function in our world at this time.

Posted by: OG CELTIC AMERICAN at December 04, 2015 08:51 PM (bTLOp)

312 Heh, let's just tell the NSA it's a cow.

Posted by: @votermom at December 04, 2015 08:51 PM (cbfNE)

313 Brandersnatch I respectfully ask, what's your point?

My point is that it's futile and impotent to rail at all of Islam.

In a world of 1.5 billion Moslems it makes more sense to focus on the however many million want to kill us. I just don't like the jingoistic demonization of "them", all of them.

Also, I guess today I'm thinking closer to home. If the ways of the Orient are inscrutable to me I can more profitably wonder why my own government is complicit in letting them get away with killing me.

This non-vetting of the Jihad girl with the lifeless eyes, like a doll's eyes; this "nothing to see here" crime scene where we let the media fondle evidence.

The stuff that should be in our control, but isn't, seems more palpable.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 04, 2015 08:51 PM (1xUj/)

314 308 I don't have any copies of the Koran to burn tonight, but I will gladly toss a copy of the Catcher in the Rye in.
Posted by: Jean at December 04, 2015 08:49 PM (fBkaR)

Good call. Shitty tendentious adolescent tripe in any case.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 04, 2015 08:51 PM (oKE6c)

315 301
Ace with a real head scratcher of a comment!
The world is full of tribal affiliations,
how many of them are engaging in terrorism?

Posted by: Mister Ghost at December 04, 2015 08:48 PM (kJ+36)

Exactly, not all muzzies are terrorists but all terrorists do seem to be muzzies.

Posted by: Titanium at December 04, 2015 08:51 PM (u9UgT)

316 So when I get in the rather large line at cabelas this afternoon waiting to do my fed background check and end up assisting the nice couple ahead of me apparently making their first purchase ever and completely befuddled by the computer there. They were there to buy a shotgun for home defense.

They both had to be 80.

Also in line a few African Americans and one 60 year old woman buying her first pistol. If you want a crisscross of American culture these days go to your nearest gun store because it's all right there.

Posted by: H Badger at December 04, 2015 08:51 PM (+xIXD)

317 "I'll defend the average Muslim because I know plenty and I worked with
several Muslim doctors who were lovely, kind people and most of them
aren't even religious."

One of the participants in the Glasgow Airport attack was a neurosurgeon.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 04, 2015 08:51 PM (noWW6)

318 They are not ignoring a "holy" book. They are following it. The Quran is an instruction manual for a murderous cult.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 04, 2015 08:06 PM (+eR2D)

Remember that thing about guards in GITMO having to wear gloves when touching a koran because they infidels and the terrorists would go apeshit? An extreme variation of always putting the bible on top of a stack of books out of respect?
Nope, infidels are not supposed to touch a koran because they might read it. Just like that old sci-fi story about the "How to Serve Man" book.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 04, 2015 08:52 PM (T78UI)

319 Some math required here. Christians have TEN commandments. Not suggestions.

Islamists have FIVE Pillars. So twice as important as the silly Christian folk.

Pillar Number three of Islam. Charity.

Just not seeing it. What am I missing?

Posted by: free range jihadist at December 04, 2015 08:52 PM (7v/r5)

320 Muslim Tribalism?

No Muslims. No Muslim Tribalism. Problem solved! Send them to Mexico. There are 20 million vacancies....

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at December 04, 2015 08:52 PM (lYGEN)

321 So sick of their whining. The people werent even cold in Australia when they started that bullshite meme that was so obviously fake.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 04, 2015 08:52 PM (iQIUe)

322 It didn't transform the culture, it was tailored to it.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at December 04, 2015 08:46 PM (oVJmc)

Exactly, it was a religion created for desert warlords. IT HAS NOT EVOLVED FROM THAT.

Every other world religion has evolved or fallen out of favor.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at December 04, 2015 08:52 PM (kXoT0)

323 If that damn Capital One ad with the women with dyke hair plays one more time I am going to scream

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 04, 2015 08:52 PM (jJRIy)

324 "n a world of 1.5 billion Moslems it makes more sense to focus on the however many million want to kill us. I just don't like the jingoistic demonization of "them", all of them. "

Bander, respectfully, they choose their religion. We should help support those who would like to leave do so safely. Those who stay stay because they want to stay.

Posted by: Lauren at December 04, 2015 08:53 PM (Kqit+)

325 Posted by: Lauren at December 04, 2015 08:42 PM

*Ahem*

"From the Halls of Montezuma to the shores[b/] of Tripoli."

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 04, 2015 08:53 PM (+bVzV)

326 And the lefties are all up in arms about any what they claim is a slight towards bruce jenner but dont say shit about throwing gays to their deaths.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 04, 2015 08:54 PM (iQIUe)

327 Modi won a certain vote in certain provinces --the guy might be a damn genius.

Of course his first visit to United States--the reception by Obama was an embarrassment.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at December 04, 2015 08:54 PM (mcm0N)

328 There are 1.5 billion of them. If you hate them all you're hating nearly 1/4 of God's creation.

You could throw in the Dems, too, and I'd still be spreadin' a LOT of love around...

Posted by: t-bird at December 04, 2015 08:54 PM (oFSUK)

329 I just don't get it, why would she lie?

Posted by: Charlie Rose at December 04, 2015 08:54 PM (9mTYi)

330 The stuff that should be in our control, but isn't, seems more palpable.

Nice deflect.

Russian judge gives it a 7.

Muslim judge gives it a .3

Posted by: eleven at December 04, 2015 08:54 PM (rjtGa)

331 So, she's an SJW, Sudden Jihad Woman?

Posted by: t-bird at December 04, 2015 08:54 PM (oFSUK)

332 317 "I'll defend the average Muslim because I know plenty and I worked with several Muslim doctors who were lovely, kind people and most of them aren't even religious."

One of the participants in the Glasgow Airport attack was a neurosurgeon.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 04, 2015 08:51 PM (noWW6)

Ayman al-Zawahiri - top brass in al Qaeda - was a surgeon.

Everybody is OK until they aren't. The people in San Bernadino thought Syed al-Goatfucker was OK too. Until he wasn't.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 04, 2015 08:55 PM (oKE6c)

333 Pillar Number three of Islam. Charity.

Just not seeing it. What am I missing?

Posted by: free range jihadist at December 04, 2015 08:52 PM (7v/r5)

We only make you Christians pay 10% Jizya. This very charitable. You get to keep your head.

Posted by: Mohamed, the goat fucker at December 04, 2015 08:55 PM (jJRIy)

334 Anyone else read

"The Siege of Mecca" ??

Posted by: The Birthplace of Jihad at December 04, 2015 08:55 PM (2HwOq)

335 If that damn Capital One ad with the women with dyke hair plays one more time I am going to scream
Posted by: Nip
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Calm down. Here... *pours Nip a nice bowl of Campbell Soup ad*

Posted by: Charlie Rose at December 04, 2015 08:56 PM (9mTYi)

336 ugly, and weighs a lot more than 90 lbs.

Posted by: Walter White at December 04, 2015 08:56 PM (8CdUx)

337 And the lefties are all up in arms about any what
they claim is a slight towards bruce jenner but dont say shit about
throwing gays to their deaths.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 04, 2015 08:54 PM (iQIUe)
Cause they're not raycisss like us. duh

Posted by: Peaches at December 04, 2015 08:56 PM (EgOr3)

338 ""From the Halls of Montezuma to the shores[b/] of Tripoli.""

Indeed! My grandpa is probably looking down on me in shame.

Posted by: Lauren at December 04, 2015 08:57 PM (Kqit+)

339 10 percent of 1.5 billion is a fuck load of people....

Posted by: Jake at December 04, 2015 08:57 PM (QelBn)

340

This non-vetting of the Jihad girl with the lifeless eyes, like a doll's eyes

*************

Gawd, that. I see it too.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at December 04, 2015 08:57 PM (mcm0N)

341 "I'll defend the average Muslim because I know plenty and I worked with

several Muslim doctors who were lovely, kind people and most of them

aren't even religious."

Syed's co-workers thought he was quiet and polite. Then one day, Syed killed them.

Posted by: Titanium at December 04, 2015 08:57 PM (u9UgT)

342 And, because of the NT, we are not allowed to go OT on people.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 04, 2015 08:24 PM (cHbIE)

Totally disagree.

Posted by: Blano at December 04, 2015 08:58 PM (rkBpl)

343 And the lefties are all up in arms about any what

they claim is a slight towards bruce jenner but dont say shit about

throwing gays to their deaths.

Lefties already feel superior to THEM.

They want to feel superior to US.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at December 04, 2015 08:58 PM (oVJmc)

344
Turkey and Egypt were christian countries for hundreds of years before islem showed up.

Now they are 98%+ moslem

Posted by: Jake at

And, you can be certain that happened without compulsion - just outreach, bake sales, and jello.

Posted by: Jean at December 04, 2015 08:58 PM (fBkaR)

345 " The people in San Bernadino thought Syed al-Goatfucker was OK too. Until he wasn't"

Did you read the WaPo account of the day? One of his co-workers joked with him when he sat down "ready for another boring meeting" and Mr Jihadi laughed and said "I'm ready."

Posted by: Lauren at December 04, 2015 08:58 PM (Kqit+)

346
Che Quevera - Physician

Kermit Gosnell - Physician

Jack Kevorkian - Physician

Josef Mengele - Physician

and, etc.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 04, 2015 08:59 PM (9mTYi)

347 303
Because the Rule Of Law.

The law against conspiracy to commit murder and conspiracy to commit bodily harm are not "shut off" due to them being held by a faith. In fact, when a "faith" does so, it is considered quite correctly as a group of criminals who pretend to be a faith.

Temporal punishment - the rule of law - is government work.
Spiritual concerns are the bailiwick of the faithful.
When you attempt to usurp the Sword of the Government/King, you are no longer acting as a (protected) congregation - you are in rebellion direct and your robes are no excuse for breaking the law.

That is a rough approximation of the last 2000 years of Western (specifically Anglosphere) concepts of the differences of faith, government, crime, and rebellion. I may have missed some aspects but fuck the French.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at December 04, 2015 08:59 PM (7O9ts)

348 Syed's co-workers thought he was quiet and polite. Then one day, Syed killed them.

Islam, not even once.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at December 04, 2015 08:59 PM (YJmuy)

349 He was a wonderful doctor, until he chopped off my head. Sigh.

Posted by: Zombie Patient at December 04, 2015 08:59 PM (Dwehj)

350 What's in your Burka?

Posted by: Burka Lurka at December 04, 2015 08:59 PM (BO/km)

351 The section illustrating how the Saudis sanctioned Madrasa schools in return for an edict granting them absolution/permission to storm the Kaaba was really quite educational.....

Bonus question: What does the Kaaba look like?

Posted by: The Birthplace of Jihad at December 04, 2015 09:00 PM (2HwOq)

352 Who else's spidey sense is tingling over that "released crime scene" to a swarm of reporters and the fact that they tore apart both vehicles ON SITE and left them there and the streets are still closed off and, well, really FBI? No further interest? WTF is that all about? Seems very fishy to me.

Posted by: Peaches at December 04, 2015 09:00 PM (EgOr3)

353
Calm down. Here... *pours Nip a nice bowl of Campbell Soup ad*

Posted by: Charlie Rose at December 04, 2015 08:56 PM (9mTYi)

GOOD LOL

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 04, 2015 09:00 PM (jJRIy)

354 When the ~~million~~,~~ten thousand~~, one thousand man "Muslim march for peace" denouncing and disassociating themselves from jihad happens there will be consideration due.

Posted by: Ralph at December 04, 2015 09:00 PM (IKy84)

355 BUT, other than that one event, he was always a very caring individual!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 04, 2015 09:01 PM (ftVQq)

356 Turkey and Egypt were christian countries for hundreds of years before islem showed up.

Now they are 98%+ moslem

Posted by: Jake at

Because otherwise they'd be 98% dead.

Posted by: Peaches at December 04, 2015 09:01 PM (EgOr3)

357 Let us not forget that the poor translation of "shahid" into "martyr". Totally different.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 04, 2015 09:02 PM (T78UI)

358 Brandersnatch, I do not like 3/4 of he earth's population...they would love to kill me and change my way of life.

Good luck with that. Because with the better weaponry I can defeat them. I didn't say kill, I said defeat.

Posted by: Seems legit at December 04, 2015 09:02 PM (OWndX)

359 PEACHES!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 09:02 PM (RuxkS)

360 Bff and I trying to figure out how we can obtain a pig head to leave at the door of the local mosque.

Posted by: Infidel at December 04, 2015 09:02 PM (teE+5)

361 Seems very fishy to me.
Posted by: Peaches
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Veteran, experienced FBI agents head's are probably exploding.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 04, 2015 09:02 PM (9mTYi)

362 "Really FBI? No further interest? "

They got the guns and don't care at all about the rest.

Posted by: Lauren at December 04, 2015 09:02 PM (Kqit+)

363 TAMMY!!!! many kisses, my darlin' girl . . . how you been keepin'?

Posted by: Peaches at December 04, 2015 09:03 PM (EgOr3)

364 Assad--opthamologist.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at December 04, 2015 09:03 PM (mcm0N)

365 '..agent's heads..' , crap..., something like that

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 04, 2015 09:03 PM (9mTYi)

366 A truly peace loving Muslim would kill the Jihadis, to save innocents.

Posted by: @votermom at December 04, 2015 09:03 PM (cbfNE)

367 Posted by: Peaches at December 04, 2015 09:00 PM (EgOr3)

Nah, nothing to see here, we've already got AG Lynch's Power Point presentation on the event, so we're outta here!

Posted by: Hrothgar, FBI Investigator Almost Ready To Retire at December 04, 2015 09:03 PM (ftVQq)

368 Who else's spidey sense is tingling over that
"released crime scene" to a swarm of reporters and the fact that they
tore apart both vehicles ON SITE and left them there and the streets are
still closed off and, well, really FBI? No further interest? WTF is
that all about? Seems very fishy to me.

Posted by: Peaches at December 04, 2015 09:00 PM (EgOr3)

*raises hand*

And on that note, big squooshes to you Peaches and I'm going to bed and try to get better.

Night, Horde.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 04, 2015 09:04 PM (+eR2D)

369 Who else's spidey sense is tingling over that "released crime scene" Seems very fishy to me.

It's burkas all the way down.

Posted by: Burka Lurka at December 04, 2015 09:04 PM (BO/km)

370 >>Bff and I trying to figure out how we can obtain a pig head to leave at the door of the local mosque.

You can bet that mosques are being watched by police because of pressure to catch any of the "backlash" we're always lectured about after every terror attack.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 04, 2015 09:04 PM (NOIQH)

371 Doesn't it make you feel all warm and cozy, knowing that she studied to be a Pharmacy tech? Can you imagine how many folks she could have killed handing out the wrong meds?

Posted by: notsothoreau at December 04, 2015 09:04 PM (5HBd1)

372 The cops broke into the moms car and removed GoPro packaging.

Wtf?

Posted by: free range jihadist at December 04, 2015 09:04 PM (7v/r5)

373
Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 04, 2015 08:51 PM (1xUj/)
I am with you. I'm quite uncomfortable with demonizing all of the Muslims. Muslims are individuals too, and all individuals have natural rights. This really is little different than when some anti-abortion nut goes on a killing spree and the left immediately denounces "evangelical Christians". The only difference is the frequency of the events.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 04, 2015 09:04 PM (uZNvH)

374 Has the GoPro video shown up anywhere yet?

Posted by: Jean at December 04, 2015 09:05 PM (fBkaR)

375 Drive them from the West until they establish their own representation of republics and representational democracy ~~They are both unwilling and unable to function in our world at this time.~~ and then while ya got 'em all in one convenient location, nuke 'em from orbit, just to be safe
Posted by: OG CELTIC AMERICAN at December 04, 2015 08:51 PM (bTLOp)

FIFY

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 09:05 PM (RuxkS)

376
The Star Carrier series by Ian Douglas postulates a world in which humanity finally suppress Islam after horrific terrorism and hundreds of millions dead in the wars. They called it, the 'agreement,' the White Covenant.

Posted by: OG CELTIC AMERICAN at December 04, 2015 09:05 PM (bTLOp)

377 I'm pissed off at Fox for calling Farook 'homegrown'. As though something intrinsic to America caused this shitstain to be a killer.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 04, 2015 09:05 PM (9mTYi)

378 Sure is a lot of wish casting here today. Ace included.

Posted by: Seems legit at December 04, 2015 09:06 PM (OWndX)

379 So.....what exactly was that dog-eater doing in Pahkeestahn ? Hmmmmm?

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at December 04, 2015 09:06 PM (lYGEN)

380 Has the GoPro video shown up anywhere yet?
Posted by: Jean

In a wooden crate in the Indiana Jones warehouse next to the Khalidi tape.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 04, 2015 09:06 PM (FkBIv)

381 Posted by: Peaches at December 04, 2015 09:03 PM (EgOr3)

Been keepin fairly well, my darling. And you? I have been worried. How's your sweet Daddy?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 09:06 PM (RuxkS)

382 Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 04, 2015 09:04 PM (+eR2D)

Oh, dang, DG, you sick? That sucks. Go to bed, take all the drugs available to you, sleep well and late, feel better!!! xoxo

Posted by: Peaches at December 04, 2015 09:07 PM (EgOr3)

383 At the last press conference the FBI said no Go Pro cameras were found on them when they were dead...

Posted by: Danube River Guide at December 04, 2015 09:07 PM (mcm0N)

384 215 177 Ace is not attempting to rationalize the behavior. He is saying even with out the stupid koran, something is not right with this culture.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 04, 2015 08:26 PM (iQIUe)

Which culture - we are seeing these attacks not just by people from the Arab countries, but by Pakistanis, Indian Muslims, Iranians, Indonesians, Georgians and others in the far east. They share NO culture with the Arabs. Persions are not Arabs and are insulted if you call them such. Certainly Pakistans, Afghanis, Georgians, and Indonesians have NOTHING in common culturally with Arabs.

Except ONE thing.

Islam IS the culture.

What's the commonality here.

Posted by: blindside at December 04, 2015 09:07 PM (e792M)

385 Death by explosive necklace: ISIS ties mortar shells around rebels' necks in just one of a series of sickening execution videos from war torn Yemen

Russia's 'Jihad Vlad' unmasked: ISIS executioner ...

Moscow warns Thailand of possible imminent terror attack after ten Syrians linked to ISIS arrive in the country 'looking to target Russians'

Man accused of 'sorcery' is paraded in front of a baying crowd including children before being decapitated... then left in the street with his head on display in latest sickening ISIS execution

============

I could go on but this is just a few of the stories on the DM page. Yes, islam is a world problem.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 04, 2015 09:07 PM (iQIUe)

386 As subjects of the 0 Reich , it seems you morons are getting mighty uppity about a few slaughtered infidels.

Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at December 04, 2015 09:07 PM (3ZttN)

387 Lizzy- I know. We can dream and scheme. I have a big freezer. Best to be prepared.

Posted by: Infidel at December 04, 2015 09:07 PM (teE+5)

388 So where did the cameras go?

Posted by: Jean at December 04, 2015 09:08 PM (fBkaR)

389 369
Who else's spidey sense is tingling over that "released crime scene" Seems very fishy to me.

THIS and WHERE are the Go Pro pictures? The killers were wearing Go Pro camera while they killed people.

Where is THAT footage?

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 04, 2015 09:08 PM (jJRIy)

390 That culture and that book cannot be separated, they are one.

Posted by: Ralph at December 04, 2015 09:08 PM (IKy84)

391 *stops poking the Horde with a stick*

I shall devote the rest of the evening to abusing Bourbon.

I do quite like you mutts, carry on.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 04, 2015 09:08 PM (1xUj/)

392 Posted by: chemjeff at December 04, 2015 09:04 PM (uZNvH)

I am with both of you to the extent that I think it's stupid to lump them all in with the jihadis. It IS exactly like the Left blaming every Christian for everything one loon does.

But I am also fine with rounding 'em up and sending them home!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 09:08 PM (RuxkS)

393 We are not demonizing Muslims. We are denouncing Islam.
Like any other evil death cult, it's possible that some members may be rescued and de brainwashed, but the cult itself has to be disbanded and destroyed.

Posted by: @votermom at December 04, 2015 09:08 PM (cbfNE)

394 I am with you. I'm quite uncomfortable with demonizing all of the Muslims. Muslims are individuals too, and all individuals have natural rights. This really is little different than when some anti-abortion nut goes on a killing spree and the left immediately denounces "evangelical Christians". The only difference is the frequency of the events.
Posted by: chemjeff
---------------

When some Christian church engenders its members with the idea that non-Christians are a lesser people, then you will have an argument.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 04, 2015 09:09 PM (9mTYi)

395 Can't we all just get along?

Posted by: Headless Rodney King at December 04, 2015 09:09 PM (Dwehj)

396
See, that's the thing...I'll defend the average Muslim because I know plenty and I worked with several Muslim doctors who were lovely, kind people and most of them aren't even religious.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 08:43 PM (RuxkS)

A Muslim, sometimes spelled Moslem,[1] relates to a person who follows the religion of Islam,[2] a monotheistic and Abrahamic religion based on the Quran.

If a Muslim is an adherent of Islam, and they aren't religious, they shouldn't be calling themselves Muslim. This is the biggest clue your analysis is off.

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at December 04, 2015 09:09 PM (ztYE8)

397 "This really is little different than when some anti-abortion nut goes on a killing spree and the left immediately denounces "evangelical Christians". "

It is hugely different. There is no doctrine instructing Christians or anyone else to go kill abortionist. There is no scriptural basis, and Christians loudly and vehemently condemn any instance of violence.

In contrast, islam instructs all muslims to kill, convert, or fine all unbelievers.

Posted by: Lauren at December 04, 2015 09:09 PM (Kqit+)

398 Different cultures are... different.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 04, 2015 09:09 PM (T78UI)

399 This isn't just an Obama problem, our overall immigration/refuge/asylum system as currently constituted is geared towards the destruction of this country.

You cannot have an immigration system where 90pct of the people admitted come from third world shit holes that are simply incompatible with a constitutional republic.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 04, 2015 09:09 PM (WVvzl)

400 352 Who else's spidey sense is tingling over that "released crime scene" to a swarm of reporters and the fact that they tore apart both vehicles ON SITE and left them there and the streets are still closed off and, well, really FBI? No further interest? WTF is that all about? Seems very fishy to me.

Posted by: Peaches at December 04, 2015 09:00 PM (EgOr3)

As I said earlier today, the scariest part is not that the FBI is spiking the investigation.

It's that they made sure we saw it.

Posted by: rickl at December 04, 2015 09:09 PM (sdi6R)

401 Oh, dang, DG, you sick? That sucks. Go to bed, take all the drugs available to you, sleep well and late, feel better!!! xoxo

Posted by: Peaches at December 04, 2015 09:07 PM (EgOr3)

Yeah girl, started late last night, gotten progressively worse during the day. Feel like hammered shit but I've had two bourbons and about to take NyQuil. Hoping to sleep through tomorrow and maybe Sunday so I'm ok for work tomorrow. Thank you!

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at December 04, 2015 09:09 PM (+eR2D)

402 I guess the jihadist grand mom wanted to upload jihad grand daughters first step on infidel face.

Posted by: free range jihadist at December 04, 2015 09:09 PM (7v/r5)

403 That footage is in some cops pocket.

Posted by: Ralph at December 04, 2015 09:10 PM (IKy84)

404 Doesn't it make you feel all warm and cozy, knowing that she studied to be a Pharmacy tech? Can you imagine how many folks she could have killed handing out the wrong meds?

And, if you read some history, you can find a number of folks talking about how shocked they were when their "friendly" neighbors turned on them. Think Jews in Germany, Bosnians and Serbs, hutus and tutsis. Just because they haven't killed you doesn't mean that they'd stand up for you.

Posted by: notsothoreau at December 04, 2015 09:10 PM (5HBd1)

405 Yow I just looked at the picture of the terrwhoreist. She makes Jon Lovizt look good.

Posted by: Burka Lurka at December 04, 2015 09:10 PM (BO/km)

406 Where in the US are the huge Muslim protests against the recent violence?

Posted by: Seems legit at December 04, 2015 09:11 PM (OWndX)

407 You know that feeling you get when the pavement turns to dirt, the dirt turns to mud, and the mud lane leads to a dead end at the entrance to a run down and creepy cemetery? That is where America is at under the leadership of the present day stooge in the White House...

Posted by: Rino sanctuary at December 04, 2015 09:11 PM (83757)

408
I'm pissed off at Fox for calling Farook 'homegrown'. As though
something intrinsic to America caused this shitstain to be a killer.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 04, 2015 09:05 PM (9mTYi)

That wouldn't be the Fox Network that has a substantial portion owned by a Saudi prince would it?

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 04, 2015 09:11 PM (ftVQq)

409 I am with both of you to the extent that I think it's stupid to lump them all in with the jihadis. It IS exactly like the Left blaming every Christian for everything one loon does.
--------------

Except..., there is no basis for the Left doing so. There is abundant basis for associating The Religion of Peace with meditated violence against non believers.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 04, 2015 09:11 PM (9mTYi)

410 There are 1.5 billion of them. If you hate them all you're hating nearly 1/4 of God's creation.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 04, 2015 08:34 PM (1xUj/)

Since I'm a Christian, I won't say I hate nearly 1/4 of God's creation. I'll just say I despise them with every fiber of my being, like I do with liberal scum.

Fair enough?

Posted by: Blano at December 04, 2015 09:11 PM (rkBpl)

411 "It's that they made sure we saw it."

Yeah, I've got no justification for that one.

Posted by: Lauren at December 04, 2015 09:12 PM (Kqit+)

412 And, if you read some history, you can find a number of folks talking about how shocked they were when their "friendly" neighbors turned on them.
Posted by: notsothoreau at December 04, 2015 09:10 PM (5HBd1)

The ignorance combined with naiveté is astounding.

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at December 04, 2015 09:12 PM (ztYE8)

413 Please stop calling them Muslims. They are Mohammedans, they follow a pedophile named Mohammad. Also, calling them that pisses them off.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 04, 2015 09:12 PM (jJRIy)

414 That is where America is at under the leadership of the present day stooge in the White House...
Posted by: Rino
----------------

Yeah, and we not talking Moe here. You know, the smart one.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 04, 2015 09:12 PM (9mTYi)

415 Close immigration down totally until we are satisfied we can keep bad guys out and until we have more jobs than Americans who need them.

Posted by: pj at December 04, 2015 09:12 PM (cHuNI)

416 There is no doctrine instructing Christians or anyone else to go kill abortionist.

The story of Esther has been invoked to justify killing abortionists

Posted by: chemjeff at December 04, 2015 09:13 PM (uZNvH)

417 Zach Greinke just got a deal worth $34.3 million per year from the Diamondbacks.

Posted by: Steevy at December 04, 2015 09:13 PM (8HTq1)

418 Been keepin fairly well, my darling. And you? I have been worried. How's your sweet Daddy?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 09:06 PM (RuxkS)
I think I have PSTD, only ongoing. He's not sweet. He's not dead. It's driving me into the poorhouse. I will probably spend my "golden" years pushing a shopping cart. We have assisted suicide in CA effective 1/1/16 and apparently I'm the only one giving it serious consideration. And now this SB shit. I'm not good. Sorry, that's the honest answer.

Posted by: Peaches at December 04, 2015 09:14 PM (EgOr3)

419 413 Please stop calling them Muslims. They are Mohammedans, they follow a pedophile named Mohammad. Also, calling them that pisses them off.
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 04, 2015 09:12 PM (jJRIy)

Ugh - too many syllables. But I agree in principle.

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at December 04, 2015 09:14 PM (ztYE8)

420
Haven't got anything else to add to the comments after the 9-11 never forgive or forget statement other than to say to that scum just bring it, and we'll rock and roll some.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 04, 2015 09:15 PM (jeCnD)

421 OK,

What we should know, but don't because our media suck, or since I don't watch maybe I missed:

1. Third shooter. Yes/No
2. Who purchased the rifles?
3. WTF was the deal with RC Toy Car Bomb?
4. Why did he rent a big SUV, if there were just two of them
5. Every pipe bomb failed to detonate or they didn't try to detonate them
6. I'd like to know a lot more about Mom
7. Travel timeline for the dead assholes

Posted by: Jean at December 04, 2015 09:15 PM (fBkaR)

422 Peaches

here is a kitteh for you

http://tinyurl.com/p57et2j

Posted by: chemjeff at December 04, 2015 09:15 PM (uZNvH)

423 The story of Esther has been invoked to justify killing abortionists
Posted by: chemjeff

I hear you, man.

Posted by: Fred Sanford at December 04, 2015 09:15 PM (FkBIv)

424 "The story of Esther has been invoked to justify killing abortionists"

I have never heard that and I am heavily, heavily involved in the pro-life movement. Further, it makes zero sense.

Islam *directly* says kill the unbeliever. Esther...convinced her husband not to slaughter her people? There's no connection whatsoever.

Posted by: Lauren at December 04, 2015 09:16 PM (Kqit+)

425 The press going thru the house was bizarre. And didn't one of the CAIR attys say they don't know where the baby is? I would like to see a DNA test on the kid to see if it really is theirs.

I had to work at work and couldn't keep up.

Posted by: Infidel at December 04, 2015 09:16 PM (teE+5)

426 The story of Esther has been invoked to justify killing abortionists

Posted by: chemjeff

----

The ol' "It's in the Bible" thing.

Just because a story (or the action of some character) is "in the Bible" doesn't make it Law.

If Christ doesn't back it, or the Apostles (after the resurrection of Christ) don't back it, then it ain't a holy directive.

Posted by: RKae at December 04, 2015 09:16 PM (HiSOA)

427 "One last thing: I don't really think Islam, per se, is responsible for Islamist violence."

Huh? Sounds like living in Connecticut too long has caused you to "go native" Ace. It's real simple to understand their motives as they explicitly tell us every time with these Islamic inspired massacres. Tashfeen Malik pledged loyalty to ISIS. Go read what ISIS says about themselves and their goals then get back to me on your "Islam, per se" twaddle.

Posted by: FrancisChalk at December 04, 2015 09:17 PM (lbLZ1)

428 So.....what exactly was that dog-eater doing in Pahkeestahn ? Hmmmmm?

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at December 04, 2015 09:06 PM

You mean besides smoking dope and taking it up his narrow ass? Good question.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 04, 2015 09:17 PM (pLwjI)

429 The story of Esther has been invoked to justify killing abortionists

Hey, Rocky! Watch me pull a rabbit outta my hat!

Posted by: Bullwinkle at December 04, 2015 09:18 PM (Dwehj)

430 All I know about the GoPro stuff is that the Parisian terrorist groups had it but couldn't get it to work and terrorist grand mom had the packaging in her car.

Allah must not approve of realtime recording of the killing of infidels. The killing yes, the recording no.

Posted by: free range jihadist at December 04, 2015 09:18 PM (7v/r5)

431 Pillar Number three of Islam. Charity.
Just not seeing it. What am I missing?

Charity, you mean like the Clinton Foundation?

Posted by: t-bird at December 04, 2015 09:18 PM (oFSUK)

432 Temporal punishment - the rule of law - is government work.
Spiritual concerns are the bailiwick of the faithful.
When you attempt to usurp the Sword of the Government/King, you are no longer acting as a (protected) congregation - you are in rebellion direct and your robes are no excuse for breaking the law.

That is a rough approximation of the last 2000 years of Western (specifically Anglosphere) concepts of the differences of faith, government, crime, and rebellion.

That is a lousy method for defining religion, as it assumes a specifically western relationship between church and state. Pretty much anything that isn't Christianity is going to be considered a non-religion under those rules.

(Add to that certain factors like the state NOT having a monopoly on lawful violence in early medieval Europe - see all those early English laws on feuding - and your concepts starts breaking down.)

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 04, 2015 09:19 PM (bZ7mE)

433 " terrorist grand mom had the packaging in her car"

But she knows nothin'

Posted by: Lauren at December 04, 2015 09:19 PM (Z/8dZ)

434 He traveled from NYC with his boyfriend.

Posted by: Ralph at December 04, 2015 09:19 PM (IKy84)

435 The story of Noah has been invoked to make a profit by Hollywood.

Posted by: Burka Lurka at December 04, 2015 09:19 PM (BO/km)

436 So she lied her way into this country and assisted in the murder of 14 people. Hey Barry, let's import tens of thousands more into this country because your super duper screening process will stop the bad ones, not that there's any bad ones.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 04, 2015 09:19 PM (45oDG)

437 If Christ doesn't back it, or the Apostles (after the resurrection of Christ) don't back it, then it ain't a holy directive.
Posted by: RK
----------------
*hangs head*
*kicks dirt*

Danggit, now I have to go buy a sword.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 04, 2015 09:20 PM (9mTYi)

438 2. Who purchased the rifles?

And was Eric Holder's ATF involved?

Posted by: t-bird at December 04, 2015 09:20 PM (oFSUK)

439 413 Please stop calling them Muslims. They are
Mohammedans, they follow a pedophile named Mohammad. Also, calling them
that pisses them off.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 04, 2015 09:12 PM (jJRIy)

Ugh - too many syllables. But I agree in principle.

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack

Not Musslemans?

Posted by: Jean at December 04, 2015 09:20 PM (fBkaR)

440 The story of Moses has been invoked by arsonists.

Posted by: Bullwinkle at December 04, 2015 09:20 PM (Dwehj)

441
Ugh - too many syllables. But I agree in principle.

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at December 04, 2015 09:14 PM (ztYE

Spell check helps!

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 04, 2015 09:21 PM (jJRIy)

442 So she lied her way into this country and assisted in the murder of 14 people.

The system worked!

Posted by: Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano at December 04, 2015 09:21 PM (oFSUK)

443 Esther is about a woman who used her position to save the lives of her people.

It has zilch to with abortion. You are wrong.

Posted by: Who Knows at December 04, 2015 09:21 PM (W+Itt)

444 Watch out for that burning bush, Rocky!

Posted by: Bullwinkle at December 04, 2015 09:22 PM (Dwehj)

445 Danggit, now I have to go buy a sword.

Posted by: Mike Hammer

-----

You don't have one already?

Loser.

You're probably going out to buy your first Stone Temple Pilots album tonight, aren't you?

Tsk, tsk. Always a day late and a dollar short.

Posted by: RKae at December 04, 2015 09:22 PM (HiSOA)

446 435
The story of Noah has been invoked to make a profit by Hollywood.

Posted by: Burka Lurka at December 04, 2015 09:19 PM (BO/km)

I thought that was the original global warming story?

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 04, 2015 09:22 PM (jJRIy)

447 I dont think that is her in the pic.....i think its just another juhadi bitch in a brqa

Posted by: E.T. at December 04, 2015 09:22 PM (yq4gk)

448 403 That footage is in some cops pocket.
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My money is on them mailing the SD cards somewhere during the 2 hours they were floating around after the attack. Give it a week +/ -, allowing for both USPS and ISIS incompetence...

Posted by: BunkerinTheBurbs at December 04, 2015 09:22 PM (bA+CL)

449 @ 376

OG,
The Hertiage & Legacy Series by Ian Douglas are very well done as well.

Awesome speculative SciFi.

Posted by: Hillbillyking at December 04, 2015 09:23 PM (hbeK4)

450 Posted by: Jean at December 04, 2015 09:15 PM (fBkaR)

Another case of 'if you really needed to know and it supported the narrative, then we'd let you know comrade citizen' news.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 04, 2015 09:23 PM (ftVQq)

451 I don't expect Muslims to take the blame for things they didn't do, but I've now quite had it with Muslim leaders shifting the blame to people who obviously had nothing to do with it.

And I'm tired of Muslims taking every new terrorist outrage as the chance to lecture America on the supremacy of their culture and the steps me must take to better accommodate this culture and show more "respect" for it.

I do not expect them to accept blame that's not theirs; but goddamnit, I will not tolerate CAIR acting as the political wing of ISIS and acting as a "clean front" to deliver Global Jihad, Inc.'s list of demands to the West while the terrorist wings kill us.

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To take this into the arena of foreign affairs, we have a long history of propping up dictators as the least bad option, and for that we are told we have fueled a seething anti-west resentment. We get the idea that we can cast aside that old order and actively give the people a chance at their version of democracy and, wouldn't you know it, we're told that fuels a seething anti-west resentment. Then you get whatever this Obama policy is, and we get ISIS and resentment.

There is no pure solution there. You're picking the best of shit options. And the kick in the nuts is that no matter what you do, it is going to always be your fault. Islam is the father of this incessant victimhood culture that is spreading like a virus. .

Posted by: Dave S. at December 04, 2015 09:23 PM (mhkbv)

452 Posted by: Peaches at December 04, 2015 09:14 PM (EgOr3)

God bless your heart. My mama is getting grouchy as fuck, there's no other issues I have to deal with other than she's getting forgetful too and just with that it's driving me insane... I don't know how you're staying sane.

You have been very much missed here, SO SO SO nice to see you!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 09:24 PM (RuxkS)

453 Sounds to me like we can either be a free society, then, or a society that's welcoming of further Muslim immigration -- but we can't be both.
________________________

Been saying this for years now. Islam -- even the so-called "moderate" Islam -- is fundamentally incompatible with western, and particularly American, civilization. It is absolutely ludicrous to keep importing these people here, as Obama has been doing, by the millions. It is setting us up for an inevitable clash of civilizations in our own land; a horrible, bloody clash, that will do irreparable damage to our country, regardless of who ultimately wins it. No sane people would voluntarily do to themselves what our political class is doing to us.

Why are we tolerating this lunacy?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 04, 2015 09:24 PM (a31sM)

454 The story of the three wise men bringing gifts to the baby Jesus has been condemned by the Pope as materialism.

At least that was what I read in the news, and I don't think they would misquote the Pope.

Posted by: Franklin Eidetic, Mentalist at December 04, 2015 09:24 PM (8UvAj)

455 It has zilch to with abortion. You are wrong.
Posted by: Who Knows at December 04, 2015 09:21 PM (W+Itt)

No, he proved his point perfectly. Nuts will use their interpretation of anything to justify whatever they want it to.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 09:25 PM (RuxkS)

456 SO SO SO nice to see you!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 09:24 PM (RuxkS)
You, too, hot mama! Thanks for making me smile. :-) (see?)

Posted by: Peaches at December 04, 2015 09:25 PM (EgOr3)

457 moslems as individuals may be ok.

But as a group the suck farts out of butt holes.

Every moslem country are shit holes.

every muslem community are shit holes, not the prosperous and very functional No-Go zones in Europe.....

Posted by: Jake at December 04, 2015 09:26 PM (QelBn)

458 I have never heard that and I am heavily, heavily involved in the pro-life movement. Further, it makes zero sense.

The idea is, if the government orders the execution of innocent people, that the people are justified in using force to fight back.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 04, 2015 09:26 PM (uZNvH)

459 Meanwhile, Geraldo says the 2nd amendment is stupid and Salon says it "must go".

All I want for Christmas...is guns.

Posted by: Lauren at December 04, 2015 09:26 PM (Z/8dZ)

460 Well to quote Doc Holliday.. this has been very instructive.

Posted by: jewells45 at December 04, 2015 09:26 PM (5fvBZ)

461 Gonna tweet this:

It's time for a national conversation on the problem of Islam.

See how fast I get banned.

Posted by: @votermom at December 04, 2015 09:26 PM (cbfNE)

462 It is hugely different. There is no doctrine instructing Christians or anyone else to go kill abortionist. There is no scriptural basis, and Christians loudly and vehemently condemn any instance of violence.

I'm not willing to condemn those who bring vigilante justice to abortionists any more.

They are acting outside the law and do not deserve lawful protection, but the lawful protections on baby murder are evil and unjust.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at December 04, 2015 09:27 PM (0NdlF)

463 "One last thing: I don't really think Islam, per se, is responsible for
Islamist violence. I think it's tribal identity racism that's the engine
of it -- the never-ending demonization of The Other, the never-ending
conspiracy theories of how The Other is insulting you and slighting you
and attacking you, etc."

And islam is nothing more than tribalism, codified, and written in stone. So you are making a distinction without a difference. There is no good form of islam, anymore than there are "good" strains of Ebola. Some may be less virulent than others, is all.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 04, 2015 09:27 PM (+y3Tj)

464 Fvck. Fox doing dueling adds with Yeb and the cuban rino.

Posted by: Infidel at December 04, 2015 09:27 PM (teE+5)

465 My money is on them mailing the SD cards somewhere
during the 2 hours they were floating around after the attack. Give it a
week +/ -, allowing for both USPS and ISIS incompetence...

Posted by: BunkerinTheBurbs at December 04, 2015 09:22 PM (bA+CL)

I suspect that has been thought of. EVERY piece of mail, mailed is photographed. I would think the local PO would have a hold on all mail going out or posted yesterday.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 04, 2015 09:27 PM (jJRIy)

466 Pillar Number three of Islam. Charity.
Just not seeing it. What am I missing?

Giving all the poor people and angry young men one way tickets to America, that's what.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 09:28 PM (RuxkS)

467 Sounds to me like we can either be a free society, then, or a society that's welcoming of further Muslim immigration -- but we can't be both.
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I'm sick & fucking tired of CAIR. I'm sick & ducking tired of this administration's sympathy for Muslims as well

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at December 04, 2015 09:28 PM (+oRxW)

468 BTW, the crack DHS agents vetted this Tashfeen bitch not once, but twice, and cleared her both times.

She was "vetted" when she applied for her 90-day fiancee' visa, and she was "vetted" again when she applied for her green card.

But don't worry. No doubt the geniuses at DHS are giving the exact same level of "thorough" scrutiny to all those "Syrian widows" as they gave to this POS.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 04, 2015 09:28 PM (a31sM)

469 Don't forget taqiyyah - lies for the cause are acceptable. Islam is the spawn of Ishmael - the Bible said it would be a cantankerous mule warring with everyone. No excuses. Allah is not Yahweh.
And btw, the Bible is not contradictory. Translations are imperfect. The Bible is infallible.
When the clarion call goes out, do you really thing "peaceful" muzzies will choose anything but jihad?

Posted by: Jezabel at December 04, 2015 09:29 PM (mxd0k)

470 "The idea is, if the government orders the execution of innocent people, that the people are justified in using force to fight back."

If you say so. However, this is apparently so obscure a belief as to not show up in a google search. Compared to the Verse of the Sword which governs every muslim on the planet.

So, no, not at all the same thing.

Posted by: Lauren at December 04, 2015 09:29 PM (Z/8dZ)

471 One last thing: I don't really think Islam, per se, is responsible for Islamist violence.

Dumbest thing out of Ace's mouth ever ? Discuss.

Posted by: Irony at December 04, 2015 09:29 PM (qmMG2)

472 Where did the Go Pro thing come from anyway? A lot of shit gets said in the middle of things that ends up not being true.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 09:29 PM (RuxkS)

473 442
So she lied her way into this country and assisted in the murder of 14 people.

The system worked!

Posted by: Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano at December 04, 2015 09:21 PM (oFSUK)
I know I don't have standing here lately, but I wanna nominate this for threadwinner.

Posted by: Peaches at December 04, 2015 09:29 PM (EgOr3)

474 The story of Esther has been invoked to justify killing abortionists

Maybe you mean the story of Phinehas? Zealously killed an Israelite man and a Moabite woman to defend God's honor.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at December 04, 2015 09:30 PM (0NdlF)

475 That story on drudge about the middle easterners coming across the border... jesus

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at December 04, 2015 09:30 PM (qCMvj)

476 No, he proved his point perfectly. Nuts will use their interpretation of anything to justify whatever they want it to.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 09:25 PM (RuxkS)

Stretching a bible story to your wishes, like slavery is one thing.
The Koran does not need stretching, it states straight out you convert or die. It's not close to a good comparison.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 04, 2015 09:30 PM (jJRIy)

477 The idea is, if the government orders the execution of innocent people, that the people are justified in using force to fight back.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 04, 2015 09:26 PM (uZNvH)

Actually, I thought the idea was that a punishment is visited on it's intended victim. It's an old testament story, and the King that carried out the punishment wasn't even Jewish - so it's really about how Jews defended themselves against extermination based on false witness because of a Jews loyalty to the King that was remembered in the nick of time. It's the basis for Purim.

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at December 04, 2015 09:30 PM (ztYE8)

478 anyone else up for a rousing game of "Cowboys and Moose Slimes"?

you know, our tribe against theirs, and let Allah decide the winner...

Posted by: redc1c4 at December 04, 2015 09:30 PM (7+yyM)

479 They are acting outside the law and do not deserve lawful protection,
but the lawful protections on baby murder are evil and unjust.

+1
lawful =/= good

Posted by: Methos at December 04, 2015 09:30 PM (ZbV+0)

480 Islam, charitable? But fucking shit. If they were they would invite the Syrian refugees into their countries

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at December 04, 2015 09:31 PM (Oy0zJ)

481 Jesus.. we are so fucked. I want a time travel machine so I can go back to the 50's. I don't want to live in this world anymore

Posted by: jewells45 at December 04, 2015 09:31 PM (5fvBZ)

482 OMFG: Julia has been replaced by Raema.

Yes, DHS propaganda video about Syrian refugees, called "Met Raema".

WTFWTFWTF

Posted by: Lizzy at December 04, 2015 09:31 PM (NOIQH)

483 Yup.....time for the world to realize that we either eliminate Islam or eventually they will eliminate us. Israel is the tip of the spear and the only to way bring peace to the ME and to the world is to kill muslims until they have a change of attitude, like the Nazis and Japs before them.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 04, 2015 08:40 PM (ej1L0)

You defeat your enemy by killing him until he voluntarily submits.

Islam has this as a core tenet.

Posted by: blindside at December 04, 2015 09:31 PM (e792M)

484 They are acting outside the law and do not deserve lawful protection, but the lawful protections on baby murder are evil and unjust.

One of the traditional requirements for Just War is lawful authority. Jest sayin...

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 04, 2015 09:31 PM (bZ7mE)

485 Yeah, ditto along with @5, @7 and others. ace is off base. And we are not morally obligated to let in everyone who wants to emigrate here. We can arbitrarily exclude whomever we wish, like you don't have to let gingers into your house if you think they pose a risk.

May the next attack take place in a ritzier venue so that even our elites feel vulnerable and take action.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 04, 2015 09:31 PM (V/11D)

486 This History special about Trump is fascinating. What he said way back in 1980 about running for president was almost prophetic.

Posted by: logprof at December 04, 2015 09:32 PM (vsbNu)

487 I didn't say it was a convincing justification. But I wasn't the one who made it.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 04, 2015 09:32 PM (uZNvH)

488 Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at December 04, 2015 09:27 PM (0NdlF)

One of our current problems is that much of the "law" no longer has any moral or ethical basis as its primary reason for existing. Add to that fact that much of the "law" is now actually regulation crafted by unelected lawyer/lobbyists and written so that it is incomprehensible to the population, and you have the scenario we face today on many fronts!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 04, 2015 09:32 PM (ftVQq)

489 Islam, unlike other religions, does not believe in love, or forgiveness, or peace, or the golden rule. It is a doctrine of force to have you submit to those in Islam who say they are following Mohamed's path to glory. Either we fight it and those who lead it or join them, there is no third way. Not hard to understand. All Muslims are complicit either by assisting in or not taking steps to halt the violence from their brethren.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 04, 2015 09:32 PM (ej1L0)

490 Heya chemjeff!

Posted by: SMFH at December 04, 2015 09:32 PM (zyIlW)

491 Reverse that, a victim's punishment is carried out on the "executor" or "accuser", but that misses the point of the story.

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at December 04, 2015 09:32 PM (ztYE8)

492 And islam is nothing more than tribalism, codified, and written in stone. So you are making a distinction without a difference.

Islam - and Progressivism, for that matter- seem fine when they're not being practiced.

Posted by: t-bird at December 04, 2015 09:32 PM (oFSUK)

493 *eyes logprof*

Hi queef.

Posted by: SMFH at December 04, 2015 09:33 PM (zyIlW)

494 Peaches!!!!

You are the winnah

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, home is where the heart is, on the bus at December 04, 2015 09:33 PM (DmRs2)

495 453
No sane people would voluntarily do to themselves what our political class is doing to us.

Why are we tolerating this lunacy?
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 04, 2015 09:24 PM (a31sM)

The political class throughout the West is doing this. Allowing Muslim immigration into Western countries is the greatest act of treason in human history, and it is our own governments who are doing it to us, not rebels or revolutionaries.

I can't figure out what they think is in it for them. Are they all secret converts?

Posted by: rickl at December 04, 2015 09:33 PM (sdi6R)

496 {{{peaches}}} Nice to see you here! Sorry about the troubles with Dad. Mine is 76. So far so good. But we all know that can change on a dime.

I will be out your way at the end of the year if you are up for a cold one.

Posted by: Infidel at December 04, 2015 09:34 PM (teE+5)

497 I still don't like Kelly's short hair.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 04, 2015 09:34 PM (jJRIy)

498 493 *eyes logprof*

Hi queef.
Posted by: SMFH at December 04, 2015 09:33 PM (zyIlW)

--Eat. Pray. Queef.

Posted by: logprof at December 04, 2015 09:34 PM (vsbNu)

499 486 This History special about Trump is fascinating. What he said way back in 1980 about running for president was almost prophetic.
Posted by: logprof at December 04, 2015 09:32 PM (vsbNu)

Reagan had dreams as a child about a white house...

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at December 04, 2015 09:34 PM (ztYE8)

500 Sorry, yes, the problem is ISLAM. Not radicalization (whateverinehell that means), but Islam itself. It is written in their holy book (pig-piss be upon it), it is preached five times daily, it is clear when they touch their heads to the ground and raise their asses in the air.

Islam worships Satan, pure and simple.

Anything less is just apologies for the worst scourge to ever plague this earth.

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 04, 2015 09:35 PM (+YMhA)

501 I will be out your way at the end of the year if you are up for a cold one.

Posted by: Infidel at December 04, 2015 09:34 PM (teE+5)
Odds are good for that. You have my email?

Posted by: Peaches at December 04, 2015 09:35 PM (EgOr3)

502 I'm going native.

Hair below my ass.

Posted by: SMFH at December 04, 2015 09:35 PM (zyIlW)

503 Christians, in war, would ask for forgiveness if they had to do battle on holy days.
Muslims prefer to wage jihadis on holy days.

Posted by: @votermom at December 04, 2015 09:35 PM (cbfNE)

504 One last thing: I don't really think Fascism, per se, is responsible for Fascist violence.

Posted by: Zombie Hitler at December 04, 2015 09:36 PM (qmMG2)

505 SMFH, buy lots of beer for Sunday because the Raiders are gonna get stomped.

Posted by: logprof at December 04, 2015 09:36 PM (vsbNu)

506 "One last thing: I don't really think Islam, per se, is responsible for Islamist violence.
______________________

Then you haven't read the koran.

Islam is absolutely responsible for this violence. The koran repeatedly instructs Muslims that it is their duty to dominate and kill infidels. It promises them many heavenly rewards (the 72 virgins are just the start) for doing so, and warns them that those who don't comply will suffer for it in the afterlife.

What other major world religion promises its believers that their god will reward them in heaven for committing murder and mayhem on earth?

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 04, 2015 09:36 PM (a31sM)

507 Islam is to blame for the violence because the tribalism and tribal rejection of anyone not in the tribe is baked into the cult. If you look at the history of Islam, it was quite literally created to unite warring Arab tribes and direct their violence outward toward the other.

Posted by: redbanzai at December 04, 2015 09:36 PM (NPofj)

508 >>I can't figure out what they think is in it for them. Are they all secret converts?

Same here. I have no idea - they can't be that blind. Converts is possible. Maybe they each have their own Huma Abedin, someone who has become one of their closest aids, and they know and trust them so much they can't fathom that any Muslim could be bad, or that they are getting bad advice from such a trusted friend.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 04, 2015 09:36 PM (NOIQH)

509 I too am pissed. I don't understand why I even need to bother about learning about taqiyya or any other word of their death cult. I am a failed catholic. Big deal. I don't need to express my failings or my faith. I am part of an increasingly faithless America that lets me poke fun at those that I want to. I am proud of the country and its traditions. Why do we allow folks to walk around in masks? Its not our culture that people be unrecognized and alla be damned if it should be accepted as such. You want to walk around as a goast, then go somewhere else. Get comfortable with the fact that I will ridicule you to no end about your stupid fashion statement. Get with the progressive bandwagon bitch. God is dead. The Japanese don't conform to this new culture. I suggest we follow their lead. We are all a bunch of cowering pussy cats looking for a safe place. Think of the Americans that were at the back of a LCA at Normandy. That was their safe place.

Posted by: My gun at December 04, 2015 09:36 PM (WCvwe)

510 No, they are going for the genuine form of Islam.

The Muslims whose hearts are filled with peace are the radicals.

Posted by: eman at December 04, 2015 08:06 PM (mR7Es)

Yes, and no. The root meaning of "radical" is "from the root". jihadis are radicals, because they are practicing islam as it was practiced by mo' himself. The "peaceful" ones are either in deep cover, indifferent, or apostates. There is no "peaceful" islam in the books.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 04, 2015 09:36 PM (+y3Tj)

511 The late Roman Empire letting in tribes like the Vandals was a bit accidental. Letting these refugees in is enemy action.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 04, 2015 09:36 PM (+eQyZ)

512 logprof,

You should be honored.

You are the only queef fan I like.

Posted by: SMFH at December 04, 2015 09:36 PM (zyIlW)

513
I can't figure out what they think is in it for them. Are they all secret converts?

Posted by: rickl at December 04, 2015 09:33 PM (sdi6R)

A gentleman's agreement that they die last.

Posted by: Doom Rider at December 04, 2015 09:36 PM (ck8TA)

514 Posted by: Lauren at December 04, 2015 09:29 PM (Z/8dZ)

Google "I Shot An Abortionist"

There is also:

Genesis 9:6

Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed:

for in the image of God made he man.

This also seems to justify killing abortionists, to a certain extent.

I didn't say it was right or proper. Only that it is done.

The POINT is, there is a certain justification for it in the Bible if you look hard enough, and the nutjobs do just that. But most Christians don't do that and rightly so. Similarly most Muslims aren't terrorists even if their holy book justifies killing unbelievers or killing the innocent more than the Bible does.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 04, 2015 09:37 PM (uZNvH)

515 The political class throughout the West is doing this. Allowing Muslim immigration into Western countries is the greatest act of treason in human history, and it is our own governments who are doing it to us, not rebels or revolutionaries.

I can't figure out what they think is in it for them. Are they all secret converts?
Posted by: rickl at December 04, 2015 09:33 PM (sdi6R)

They are fools, on a fool's errand.

We will end fighting this house to house in the end. It will not go well for either side.

Make sure your ass is covered, and his ass is covered, too.

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 04, 2015 09:37 PM (+YMhA)

516 I can't figure out what they think is in it for them. Are they all secret converts?

Posted by: rickl at December 04, 2015 09:33 PM (sdi6R)

Whatever can you be thinking?

Posted by: John "al-Quds" Brennan at December 04, 2015 09:37 PM (ftVQq)

517 I wonder if the Jihadis sent thank-you cards for tha baby shower.

Maybe some are in the mail.

Posted by: eman at December 04, 2015 09:37 PM (MQEz6)

518 Oh yeah logprof,
We gonna have some fun Sunday!

Posted by: SMFH at December 04, 2015 09:37 PM (zyIlW)

519 " I didn't say it was a convincing justification."

But you making a false equivilance between christian and islamic beliefs.

Even if we grant your claim that there are Christians who use the story of Esther to support killing abortionists, it is so far in the fringe as to be unworthy of mention. It's like someone saying "well, you know King David liked to dance a lot so I think that the only path to God is to do a dance off!"

Islam, however, explicitly tells muslims to kill you.

\Look, I get it. It's uncomfortable to accept that the nice muslim guy at the post office really wants to kill you. And maybe he doesn't. Maybe he isn't really religious and just goes along with it to make his wife happy. Who knows. However his chosen religion tells him to kill you.

There's no getting around that.

Posted by: Lauren at December 04, 2015 09:37 PM (Z/8dZ)

520 Hi SMFH

Posted by: chemjeff at December 04, 2015 09:38 PM (uZNvH)

521 Posted by: rickl at December 04, 2015 09:33 PM (sdi6R)

smug holier-than-thou assholes who want to prove they aren't bigots.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 09:38 PM (RuxkS)

522
This whole thing where the left starts apologizing and going to a mosque every time there is a muslim terror attack is just bizarre.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 04, 2015 09:38 PM (ODxAs)

523 The POINT is, there is a certain justification for it in the Bible if you look hard enough, and the nutjobs do just that. But most Christians don't do that and rightly so. Similarly most Muslims aren't terrorists even if their holy book justifies killing unbelievers or killing the innocent more than the Bible does.

To kinda-quote my father: "No one is as good or as bad as their religion have them be."

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 04, 2015 09:39 PM (bZ7mE)

524 Your neighbor might be a terrorist for Islam...

If the baby shower card makes the bomb dog alert

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 04, 2015 09:39 PM (+eQyZ)

525 521 Posted by: rickl at December 04, 2015 09:33 PM (sdi6R)

smug holier-than-thou assholes who want to prove they aren't bigots.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 09:38 PM (RuxkS)

Plus the fact that they don't have to personally deal with the fallout...aka not in my backyard

Posted by: Doom Rider at December 04, 2015 09:39 PM (ck8TA)

526 Has anyone mentioned that both "Tashfeen" and "Malik" are male names?

Posted by: baldilocks at December 04, 2015 09:39 PM (ys2UW)

527 "I've now quite had it with Muslim leaders shifting the blame", "I'm tired of Muslims taking every new terrorist outrage as the chance to lecture America", "I will not tolerate CAIR acting as the political wing of ISIS".

Gee, Ace, welcome to 9-12-2001! Sheesh, this country forgot everything it learned about Islam in only fourteen years.

Wow, Muslims are bloodthirsty killers who lie baldfacedly about their actions and motives! Who knew?

Holy moly, Muslims are shockingly treacherous agents of unprecedented evil. Gosh, never knew that before this San Bernardino thing!

But _now_ our eyes are finally open? Nope, they're going to have to nuke a few of our cities before the message finally sticks.

Posted by: gp at December 04, 2015 09:39 PM (mk9aG)

528 399 This isn't just an Obama problem, our overall immigration/refuge/asylum system as currently constituted is geared towards the destruction of this country.

You cannot have an immigration system where 90pct of the people admitted come from third world shit holes that are simply incompatible with a constitutional republic.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 04, 2015 09:09 PM (WVvzl)

No...you can't have it if you wish to preserve the republic.

If you think the Republic is based on evil and oppression, and should be 'fundamentally changed', then it makes perfect sense.

Obama isn't incompetent. Stop making this mistake. He knows EXACTLY what he is doing and it's purposeful.

There are 'unexpected setbacks' and surprises, but this is all towards a plan. Look back at the past 7 years. NONE of this is accidental.

I predict he'll be the next UN Secretary. We aren't done with him yet.

Posted by: blindside at December 04, 2015 09:39 PM (e792M)

529
But you making a false equivilance between christian and islamic beliefs.

No, he's saying that some assholes do. Just like a lot of Muslims do. (Hella more than most Christians, that's for damn sure)

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 09:39 PM (RuxkS)

530 does anyone know exactly how many abortionists have been shot since Roe v Wade?

Guessing it is less than the 14 killed and 21 wounded in one day by a jihadi this week

Posted by: Jake at December 04, 2015 09:40 PM (QelBn)

531 Peaches, nope. my dark email is r f j j u l i e at the yahoo thingy.

Posted by: Infidel at December 04, 2015 09:40 PM (teE+5)

532 Jesus.. we are so fucked. I want a time travel machine so I can go back to the 50's. I don't want to live in this world anymor.

Posted by: jewells45
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Can't tell you how many times I've had that thought over the past 5 or 6 years. Probably several times a day.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 04, 2015 09:41 PM (V/11D)

533 "The POINT is, there is a certain justification for it in the Bible if you look hard enough, and the nutjobs do just that. But most Christians don't do that and rightly so. Similarly most Muslims aren't terrorists even if their holy book justifies killing unbelievers or killing the innocent more than the Bible does."

There is a vast VAST difference between "if you squint you can justify this" which can be said of nearly anything, and a direct, explicit order.

Islam explicitly says how muslims MUST deal with the unbeliever: Death, conversion, or tax. Only Christians or Jews can be taxed. For everyone else it's Death, Conversion, or Slavery. Ask the Yazidi.

Posted by: Lauren at December 04, 2015 09:41 PM (Z/8dZ)

534 "362 "Really FBI? No further interest? "

They got the guns and don't care at all about the rest."

They also turned off the air conditioning.

Posted by: NCC at December 04, 2015 09:41 PM (tUl6S)

535 The POINT is, there is a certain justification for it in the Bible if you look hard enough, and the nutjobs do just that. But most Christians don't do that and rightly so. Similarly most Muslims aren't terrorists even if their holy book justifies killing unbelievers or killing the innocent more than the Bible does.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 04, 2015 09:37 PM (uZNvH)

No, there is no justification for what Islam does in the Bible.

The OT is the old covenant, not the new. The Law did not pass away, but the proof-texting of things that have already gone by in history is also a form of idiocy.

Yes, nutjobs can read the phone book and find a reason to commit malfeasance. The Bible is just an excuse.

Unlike the Koran, which does NOT have books which are histories, but which is read as if each verse can stand alone, and applied entirely to the present. So, when Mo tells them to slaughter the Jews, they slaughter the Jews. When Mo tells them to lie to unbelievers, they lie to unbelievers.

Get back to me when you see Muslims demonstrating in the streets of the middle east PROTESTING the atrocities committed in their name, and then we can talk about the equivalence of the Koran to the Bible. Until then, it is an absolutely false comparison.

Sorry, but I've been there and done that, and that sort of thinking just makes it easier to kill us all.

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 04, 2015 09:42 PM (+YMhA)

536 baldilocks!

Loved your book!

Posted by: SMFH at December 04, 2015 09:42 PM (zyIlW)

537 Pillar Number three of Islam. Charity.

Just not seeing it. What am I missing?

The Mohammedans kicking out (was it Jordan or Syria or both that said "leave or die") and/or not giving refuge to the poor Palestinians is a charitable self help program?

Posted by: Ralph at December 04, 2015 09:42 PM (IKy84)

538 Has anyone mentioned that both "Tashfeen" and "Malik" are male names?

Posted by: baldilocks at December 04, 2015 09:39 PM

And?

Posted by: Leslie at December 04, 2015 09:42 PM (pLwjI)

539
I can't figure out what they think is in it for them. Are they all secret converts?

Nope ... they're just all clinging to their faith.

Common Sense would say ... These muslims continue to kill us. Yes - we also continue to kill ourselves. But fuck fairness - let's stop letting these muslims kill us.

But their faith says - diversity is good. It will all work out. We must change.

We need a national divorce.

Posted by: Zombie Hitler at December 04, 2015 09:42 PM (qmMG2)

540 There are 1.5 billion of them. If you hate them all you're hating nearly 1/4 of God's creation

=/===

Da fuq?

-Saint Bernard of Clairvaux

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at December 04, 2015 09:43 PM (Cq0oW)

541 This whole thing where the left starts apologizing and going to a mosque
every time there is a muslim terror attack is just bizarre.

There's nothing bizarre about it.

It's proof that the mohammadans' age-old practice of terrorism still works.

Posted by: Methos at December 04, 2015 09:43 PM (ZbV+0)

542 I can't figure out what they think is in it for them. Are they all secret converts?

Can you think of a better way to get back at Daddy?

Posted by: t-bird at December 04, 2015 09:43 PM (oFSUK)

543 Stephen Coughlin's book, "Catastrophic Failure," lays out the relationship between dawah organizations like CAIR and the jihadist organizations like ISIS. If you haven't read it, you need to.

http://www.amazon.com/Catastrophic-Failure-Blindfolding-America-Jihad/dp/1511617500

Posted by: MSYB at December 04, 2015 09:43 PM (ZBs6E)

544 Obama says the future does not belong to those who slander the Prophet, and he says he stands with Islam.

Loretta Lynch, Attorney General of the United States says she will prosecute anyone who provokes violence against the followers of the Prophet Mohammed.

I'm wondering who will stand with Christians? I'm wondering who speaks for conservatives? I'm wondering who do we petition for redress of grievance when our brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers are murdered if we are not Muslim?

Posted by: Franklin Eidetic, Mentalist at December 04, 2015 09:43 PM (8UvAj)

545 Imma gonna be a firearms instructor here in TX.

Plus getting my Bachelors in writing shit.

Heh.

Posted by: SMFH at December 04, 2015 09:43 PM (zyIlW)

546 Islam, unlike other religions, does not believe in
love, or forgiveness, or peace, or the golden rule. It is a doctrine of
force to have you submit to those in Islam who say they are following
Mohamed's path to glory. Either we fight it and those who lead it or
join them, there is no third way. Not hard to understand. All Muslims
are complicit either by assisting in or not taking steps to halt the
violence from their brethren.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 04, 2015 09:32 PM (ej1L0)
=================================================

This is one of the truest posts I have ever read at the HQ. There is no love in islam - ask any islam convert to Christianity. They were brought to Christ most often by hearing of the love of Jesus. This, by their own admission, is a completely foreign concept in islam. Allah is a presence to fear, not a person to love. And they are scared to death of being cast forever into hell. That is why they do the suicide bomber thing - it guarantees them that they will bypass hell and go straight to heaven. The only hope they have is in the terror of their dying. So when they hear that Christ offers forgiveness, not fierce anger - they turn to Him and do their best to stay alive while living amidst their muslim families.

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at December 04, 2015 09:43 PM (dFi94)

547 Shut the offending mosque down with a Tomahawk. But that's mean.

Posted by: torabora at December 04, 2015 09:43 PM (AhPGR)

548 SMFH, chemjeff is a Chiefs fan as well.

Watch out, chemjeff.

Posted by: logprof at December 04, 2015 09:44 PM (vsbNu)

549 Yeah, ditto along with @5, @7 and others. ace is off base. And we are not morally obligated to let in everyone who wants to emigrate here. We can arbitrarily exclude whomever we wish, like you don't have to let gingers into your house if you think they pose a risk.

The problem is there is no "we" anymore.

The left has fractured this country along every possible demographic line.

They've even invented new fault lines like genderism to fracture us.

Age
Gender
Sex
Race
Religion
Politics
Income
Pop culture

On and on

"We" have been successfully divided.

Posted by: eleven at December 04, 2015 09:44 PM (rjtGa)

550 There is a sura in the Qu'ran that explicitly states Jews and Christians are Muslims in denial. So it becomes a holy duty for the 'Faithful' to bring them, Jews and Christians, to the true faith. Or else.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 04, 2015 09:44 PM (+eQyZ)

551 You know, I live across the street from Mohammed and Aisha; they're both doctors, originally from Pakistan.

I wish Mohammed a blessed Ramadan, he wishes me a Merry Christmas.

This really isn't that hard, sometimes.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at December 04, 2015 07:50 PM (DLu2s)

And this couple had neighbors that likely treated them similarly and Farook had coworkers that welcomed him and threw him a baby shower. Neither of those things kept this couple from building bombs in their home and neither one of those things kept them from murdering.

Posted by: redbanzai at December 04, 2015 09:44 PM (NPofj)

552 I'm wondering who will stand with Christians?
Posted by: Franklin Eidetic, Mentalist at December 04, 2015 09:43 PM (8UvAj)
===============================================

The one who made the universe.

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at December 04, 2015 09:44 PM (dFi94)

553 536 baldilocks!

Loved your book!
Posted by: SMFH at December 04, 2015 09:42 PM (zyIlW)

Thank you!

Posted by: baldilocks at December 04, 2015 09:45 PM (ys2UW)

554 The vast majority of Americans are upset enough that immigration is the issue for next years election. I would have expected an outcry over this administration's attitude over this most recent attack.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 04, 2015 09:45 PM (V/11D)

555 Damn,

Two queef 'ron's as buds.

shit.

Posted by: SMFH at December 04, 2015 09:45 PM (zyIlW)

556 Similarly most Muslims aren't terrorists even if their holy book justifies killing unbelievers or killing the innocent more than the Bible does.

For now. Maybe.

Historically, Islam has conquered lands and made them stay Islamic. See Egypt, etc.

Right now, Islam is starting up its newest wave of expansion and conquest. You can't stop a religious war with "why can't we get along" sentiment.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at December 04, 2015 09:45 PM (0NdlF)

557
Islam, however, explicitly tells muslims to kill you.

I have no doubt that it does.

Deuteronomy 13 says that the faithful should kill those who turn away from God and worship false prophets instead. But Christians don't do that in this day and age, and that is good.

I don't say that Islam and Christianity are equivalent. They aren't. They aren't equivalent due to what their followers choose to do. It's not the religion itself because you can find things in the Bible which are really scary. But Christians don't follow those parts of the Bible literally. Not as many Muslims do that with their religion and that is unfortunate. But that is the fault of those Muslims who refuse to recognize that 'killing all the unbelievers' shouldn't be taken so literally, and not the fault of Islam itself.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 04, 2015 09:45 PM (uZNvH)

558 Chemjeff, all eight schools of Islamic jurisprudence support violent jihad and conquest. Vast majorities in the ME support violent jihad. There's nothing even analogous to that in Christianity.

The comparison is inapt at best.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 04, 2015 09:45 PM (bLnSU)

559 Check this asshole out:

https://goo.gl/irluwT

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 04, 2015 09:46 PM (iQIUe)

560 "I think it's tribal identity racism that's the engine of it -- the never-ending demonization of The Other, the never-ending conspiracy theories of how The Other is insulting you and slighting you and attacking you, etc."

That's it, but the thing is Islam is wholly based on that exact premise.

Posted by: gzulux at December 04, 2015 09:46 PM (2pOTb)

561 Has anyone mentioned that both "Tashfeen" and "Malik" are male names?

Posted by: baldilocks at December 04, 2015 09:39 PM

And?
Posted by: Leslie at December 04, 2015 09:42 PM (pLwjI)
_______________________

And that's probably not her real name, and the identity documents she offered for her "thorough vettings" by DHS probably belonged to somebody else.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 04, 2015 09:46 PM (a31sM)

562 Not to go all OT but, raise your hand if you watched Interstate Love Song on youtube today and thought, dang, boy, you screwed up bad yesterday.

Posted by: Peaches at December 04, 2015 09:46 PM (EgOr3)

563 Judaism and Christianity are explicit rejections of human sacrifice. Islam is the only major religion that glorifies the sacrifice of their young

Posted by: ThunderB at December 04, 2015 09:47 PM (zOTsN)

564 If the darn liberals in Congress would get some balls and declare war on radical Islam itself, then we would have the right to throw them Muslims out of the country.....oh wait, that is what the terrorists want, right?

Posted by: doug at December 04, 2015 09:47 PM (ufmpT)

565 Oh, by the way, the bull shit story about an argument at work has been proven bogus by the employees.

Lefty propaganda started by whom?

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 04, 2015 09:47 PM (jJRIy)

566 Da fuq?

-Saint Bernard of Clairvaux
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at December 04, 2015 09:43 PM (Cq0oW)

+1000.

Could use a little crusading just now, I'm thinking.

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 04, 2015 09:47 PM (+YMhA)

567 This horde is some smart peeps

I had no idea of this

"Has anyone mentioned that both "Tashfeen" and "Malik" are male names?"

Posted by: Jake at December 04, 2015 09:48 PM (QelBn)

568 "But Christians don't do that in this day and age, and that is good."

Because, NT.

The trajectory of the bible is the exact opposite of the trajectory of the koran. It gets more bloody and more violent the more power Mohammad acquired and all of those verse abrogate all the hippie love in the beginning.

Posted by: Lauren at December 04, 2015 09:48 PM (Kqit+)

569
I want to know how many muzzies made the trip to a temple or church to bow down because of the muslim terror massacre.

In the whole US, the under/over is 1. I am going to take the under.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 04, 2015 09:48 PM (ODxAs)

570 can't figure out what they think is in it for them. Are they all secret converts?

They sold their souls for power.

Now who do you think they sold their soul to, and what does he want?

We live in a dark fallen world that works to devour your soul. Sometimes the truth is scarier than fiction.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at December 04, 2015 09:48 PM (0NdlF)

571 And that's probably not her real name, and the
identity documents she offered for her "thorough vettings" by DHS
probably belonged to somebody else.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 04, 2015 09:46 PM (a31sM

You think? Darn, who would have thunk that shit?

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 04, 2015 09:48 PM (jJRIy)

572 As a mixed-raced, chocolate-chip-vanilla kinda bitch, and spending three years in Iraq between 2003-2009, it's all about mine.

The first time I watched Idiocracy was in Iraq...I didn't think it was a fucking how-to.

Posted by: SMFH at December 04, 2015 09:48 PM (zyIlW)

573 And you know ... I shouldn't be so surprised ...

... extra credit for the first Horde member that finds the thread where the Ewok was worried about the "backlash" following another muslim shooter.

Such bullshit.

Posted by: Irony at December 04, 2015 09:48 PM (qmMG2)

574 538 Has anyone mentioned that both "Tashfeen" and "Malik" are male names?

Posted by: baldilocks at December 04, 2015 09:39 PM

And?
Posted by: Leslie at December 04, 2015 09:42 PM (pLwjI)

I'm not used to having to walk the Horde through an idea. I would think that it's unheard of for a woman in an Islamic culture to have unisex names. Coupling with the "no address" thing...is it possible that everything we think we know about "her" is BS?

That's pretty much Obama. Why not this person?

Posted by: baldilocks at December 04, 2015 09:49 PM (ys2UW)

575 DHS, once again proving these words are the most dangerous words ever uttered -"I'm from the government and here to help."

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 04, 2015 09:49 PM (+eQyZ)

576 466 Pillar Number three of Islam. Charity.
Just not seeing it. What am I missing?

Giving all the poor people and angry young men one way tickets to America, that's what.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 09:28 PM (RuxkS)

Generally, they give 2 to 5% of their annual income to an approved charity once a year, during Eid Al Fitr. Approved charities are Muslim charities. That's why there was so much "follow the money" after 9/11- US muslims giving to "charity", which were Al Qaeda fronts. So go on with that "they are a mostly peaceful people with a few outliers" fantasy you have going, Ace. Bless your heart.

Posted by: Moki at December 04, 2015 09:49 PM (7q2ch)

577 @528

Our incredibly counter American immigration/refuge/asylum systems predate Obama, he has just accelerated the destruction.

The seeds of our destruction were sown in 1965.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 04, 2015 09:50 PM (WVvzl)

578 I'm wondering who will stand with Christians?
Posted by: Franklin Eidetic, Mentalist at December 04, 2015 09:43 PM (8UvAj)
===============================================The one who made the universe.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree
---

I feel as Hezekiah must have, before Sennacherib's army. I'm not a believer, but if I awoke tomorrow and everyone who supported sharia law had been struck dead, I'd believe what you say, gw.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 04, 2015 09:50 PM (V/11D)

579 562 Not to go all OT but, raise your hand if you watched Interstate Love Song on youtube today and thought, dang, boy, you screwed up bad yesterday.
Posted by: Peaches at December 04, 2015 09:46 PM (EgOr3)

--Did not watch the video, but I heard Weiland just could not stay on the wagon. So sad, and I say that as a non-STP fan.

Posted by: logprof at December 04, 2015 09:50 PM (vsbNu)

580 Has anyone mentioned that both "Tashfeen" and "Malik" are male names?

Posted by: baldilocks at December 04, 2015 09:39 PM

And?

Posted by: Leslie at December 04, 2015 09:42 PM (pLwjI)

_______________________

And that's probably not her real name, and the
identity documents she offered for her "thorough vettings" by DHS
probably belonged to somebody else.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 04, 2015 09:46 PM

Totally missed the "Leslie" thing? It's like I don't even know you people.....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 04, 2015 09:50 PM (pLwjI)

581 Shut the offending mosque down with a Tomahawk. But that's mean.
Posted by: torabora at December 04, 2015 09:43 PM (AhPGR)

Three Tomahawks, all launched by left handed women would be my preference.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 09:50 PM (RuxkS)

582 One last thing: I don't really think Islam, per se, is responsible for Islamist violence

Uh... please go READ the Koran, understanding that the older Moh got... the HOLIER he got...

In the first part of this life? Trader...

In the last part of his life? Massacred villages... was into slavery... and converted via the sword.

The Cultures you talk about... the Tribes???? are BASED on Centuries of Islam.

Posted by: BB Wolf at December 04, 2015 09:50 PM (qh617)

583 Is it OK to tribe up now ? Can we backlash ?

Posted by: Irony at December 04, 2015 09:51 PM (qmMG2)

584 Deuteronomy 13 says that the faithful should kill those who turn away
from God and worship false prophets instead. But Christians don't do
that in this day and age, and that is good.

Those are laws for maintaining the original nation of Israel, which they didn't follow, much to their regret. There was never any reason to think they applied to the church on earth.

Posted by: Methos at December 04, 2015 09:51 PM (ZbV+0)

585 And Esther? Really? That's the least canonical book in thw tanakh. Might as well cite the Copper Scroll

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 04, 2015 09:51 PM (vD2KB)

586 "The first time I watched Idiocracy was in Iraq...I didn't think it was a fucking how-to."

Little did we know. Little did we know.

Posted by: Lauren at December 04, 2015 09:51 PM (Kqit+)

587
Really? No sh1t?

Posted by: The FBI, Homeland Security, State Department, NSA, CIA.....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 04, 2015 09:51 PM (kdS6q)

588
Is it OK to tribe up now ? Can we backlash ?

Posted by: Irony at December 04, 2015 09:51 PM (qmMG2)
Time for a pantsless coup? I'm there.

Posted by: Peaches at December 04, 2015 09:51 PM (EgOr3)

589

You think? Darn, who would have thunk that shit?

Not me!

Posted by: DHS Vetting Supervisor at December 04, 2015 09:52 PM (oVJmc)

590 Deuteronomy 13 says that the faithful should kill those who turn away from God and worship false prophets instead. But Christians don't do that in this day and age, and that is good.

You're stepping outside of your expertise area, chemjeff.

The long destroyed nation of Israel was supposed to follow those OT laws and failed.

Christians are not under the OT. We are not selectively ignoring the Bible, but following what we are told to do in the NT.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at December 04, 2015 09:52 PM (0NdlF)

591 Posted by: Moki at December 04, 2015 09:49 PM (7q2ch)

Yep.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 09:52 PM (RuxkS)

592 You think? Darn, who would have thunk that shit?
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 04, 2015 09:48 PM (jJRIy)
____________________

Well not Leslie apparently. She was the one who asked why the male names mattered.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 04, 2015 09:52 PM (a31sM)

593 I know more about Islam than I would like to. I reject it. Its a copy of a copy of a story that died with the camp fire. Religion and politics don't mix well. Religion that dictates military engagement is nothing but trouble. Stamp it out. It is not welcome here!

Posted by: My gun at December 04, 2015 09:52 PM (WCvwe)

594 ... extra credit for the first Horde member that finds the thread where the Ewok was worried about the "backlash" following another muslim shooter.

Such bullshit.

Posted by: Irony

Sorry, the AoSHQ Concern Desk is temporarily closed. If you would like to file a concern you'll have to use the Etch-A-Sketch hanging on the widow.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 04, 2015 09:52 PM (9YDUz)

595 here's the thing
I'm a much bigger fan of the old testament than the new.
It's better written, has a batter "pedigree", speaks to me in a superior spiritual way than the new testament does. where others make fun of all the repetitive begats I make fun of whole repetitive books in re the gospels.
none of the old testament says to the modern man kill anybody. none of it justifies killing anybody. the killings done in it were specifically ordered by God to often reluctant or desperate people. and - this is key - you're fucking reading it wrong.

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at December 04, 2015 09:52 PM (Cq0oW)

596 I can tell you for certain that Muslim women who are abused or abandoned by Muslim men often end up at Jewish charity's.

They are pretty shitty about sharing the wealth with their needy. Must put all the money they donate into a "building fund"

Posted by: ThunderB at December 04, 2015 09:52 PM (zOTsN)

597 If it's not Islam per se that's responsible, how do you explain the fact that, according to a Pew poll, 84% of Egyptian Muslims (80 million people) want the death penalty for those who leave Islam.

http://tinyurl.com/zw9639o

Posted by: Hepcat at December 04, 2015 09:53 PM (IeR2g)

598 The next time I'm in a hurry to see a pic of the female perp, you guys step in and remind me of this. Yikes.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 04, 2015 09:53 PM (4ErVI)

599 baldilocks, I for one do not trust that anything released about her is necessarily true.
The stench on all this is high.

Posted by: LadyS at December 04, 2015 09:53 PM (xYNhJ)

600 583
Is it OK to tribe up now ? Can we backlash ?

Posted by: Irony at December 04, 2015 09:51 PM (qmMG2)

Quiet now, NSA is listen and we don't want Lynch to mark HQ as a hate site(Like they already haven't)

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 04, 2015 09:53 PM (jJRIy)

601 572
The first time I watched Idiocracy was in Iraq...I didn't think it was a fucking how-to.
Posted by: SMFH at December 04, 2015 09:48 PM (zyIlW)

It was mentioned in the book thread on Sunday that the movie was set 500 years in the future.

I said that was mighty optimistic of them.

Posted by: rickl at December 04, 2015 09:53 PM (sdi6R)

602 "You know, I live across the street from Mohammed and Aisha; they're both doctors, originally from Pakistan. I wish Mohammed a blessed Ramadan, he wishes me a Merry Christmas. This really isn't that hard, sometimes."

Yes, every Muslim I've met in America has been friendly and generous. The problem is that Muslims are treacherous. The sweetest, politest, most adorable Muslims can turn jihadi suddenly and kill you. This has been noted by Western observers going back at least two centuries.

You can't trust them. You can't turn your back on them. If that seems impolite or cruel to some Muslims who may not be treacherous, if any actually exist, that's too f&cking bad. Go ahead, wait until they nuke us.

Posted by: gp at December 04, 2015 09:53 PM (mk9aG)

603 And that's probably not her real name, and the
identity documents she offered for her "thorough vettings" by DHS
probably belonged to somebody else.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 04, 2015 09:46 PM (a31sM)
DHS Vetting Questionnaire

Under penalty of US law with a fine or imprisonment, answer these questions truthfully:
#1: Do you now, or would you ever, believe in taqiyya?

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 04, 2015 09:54 PM (ftVQq)

604 I feel as Hezekiah must have, before Sennacherib's army. I'm not a believer, but if I awoke tomorrow and everyone who supported sharia law had been struck dead, I'd believe what you say, gw.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 04, 2015 09:50 PM (V/11D)

Probably best to hedge your bet and get your believing on before you expect proof. Just sayin'.

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 04, 2015 09:54 PM (+YMhA)

605 MoHAMmed was the L. Ron Hubbard of his day.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at December 04, 2015 09:54 PM (oVJmc)

606 Tashfeen beginning in T is female-oriented in Berber and Semitic languages. Verbs that agree with fem nouns start T

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 04, 2015 09:54 PM (vD2KB)

607 Hey baldilocks congrats on your post at Hot Air!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 04, 2015 09:54 PM (4ErVI)

608 I hate the man I will have to work for tomorrow

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 04, 2015 09:54 PM (YUjEH)

609 Well not Leslie apparently. She was the one who asked why the male names mattered.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 04, 2015 09:52 PM

Oh, ffs, people, it was a joke. Tough crowd tonight....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 04, 2015 09:54 PM (pLwjI)

610

Posted by: Lauren at December 04, 2015 09:48 PM (Kqit+)
I agree.
But Deuteronomy 13 still exists. Modern Christians have come to an understanding that the kill-the-infidel parts of the Bible shouldn't be taken literally.
My point is that the real difference is in how the individuals choose to interpret their own religion, and not the religion itself. I could interpret the Bible in a violent fashion if I decided to ignore the "hippie love" parts of the Bible too. But that is considered fringe and not mainstream.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 04, 2015 09:55 PM (uZNvH)

611 I'm a much bigger fan of the old testament than the new.

You and me both.

Posted by: Peaches at December 04, 2015 09:55 PM (EgOr3)

612 "Has anyone mentioned that both "Tashfeen" and "Malik" are male names?"

So, fake name along with fake address....?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 04, 2015 09:55 PM (oFleN)

613 The next time I'm in a hurry to see a pic of the female perp, you guys step in and remind me of this. Yikes.

A hottie probably wouldn't be on the splodey career path.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at December 04, 2015 09:55 PM (oVJmc)

614 They are pretty shitty about sharing the wealth with their needy. Must put all the money they donate into a "building fund"
Posted by: ThunderB at December 04, 2015 09:52 PM (zOTsN)

That's because those women were obviously not worthy of their men so it is really okay to let them starve, you know?

There is no love in Islam, only "what I can get" and "72 virgins."

Honestly, if the best you can hope for in heaven is sex, you aren't aiming all that high.

Posted by: tcn in AK at December 04, 2015 09:56 PM (+YMhA)

615
I don't say that Islam and Christianity are equivalent. They aren't. They aren't equivalent due to what their followers choose to do. It's not the religion itself because you can find things in the Bible which are really scary. But Christians don't follow those parts of the Bible literally. Not as many Muslims do that with their religion and that is unfortunate. But that is the fault of those Muslims who refuse to recognize that 'killing all the unbelievers' shouldn't be taken so literally, and not the fault of Islam itself.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 04, 2015 09:45 PM (uZNvH)

They aren't equivalent because Christianity isn't BASED ON THE OLD TESTAMENT. The arrival of Jesus and his teachings largely abrogate the Old Testament.

You know, like the Verse of the Sword abrogates the 'peaceful' Islam.

Stop with this. It's a purposeful lie or just plain ignorance of Christianity.

Posted by: blindside at December 04, 2015 09:56 PM (e792M)

616 And that's probably not her real name, and the
identity documents she offered for her "thorough vettings" by DHS
probably belonged to somebody else.

So, we have the TSA running the DHS, too. "Welcome to America, (reading) ...Herman "Mad Dog" von Auschwitz... . Lovely dress you're wearing, ma'am."

Posted by: t-bird at December 04, 2015 09:56 PM (oFSUK)

617 Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at December 04, 2015 09:52 PM (0NdlF)

Again, chemjeff does not himself believe this, just showing that anyone can cherry-pick things from a religious source to justify bullshit.

A decent Christian would not do that.

A decent Muslim also wouldn't and does not go around killing non-Muslims, despite the fact that there is explicit direction and permission to do so.

That's all he's saying.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 09:57 PM (RuxkS)

618 607 Hey baldilocks congrats on your post at Hot Air!
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 04, 2015 09:54 PM (4ErVI)

Thanks! I haven't read the comments yet.

Posted by: baldilocks at December 04, 2015 09:58 PM (ys2UW)

619 OMFG: Julia has been replaced by Raema.

Yes, DHS propaganda video about Syrian refugees, called "Met Raema".

WTFWTFWTF

Posted by: Lizzy at December 04, 2015 09:31 PM (NOIQH)

Does she have a piece of shit on the tip of her nose and end up shooting the infidels?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 04, 2015 09:58 PM (45oDG)

620 They are pretty shitty about sharing the wealth with their needy. Must put all the money they donate into a "building fund"
Posted by: ThunderB at December 04, 2015 09:52 PM (zOTsN)

During Ramadan in Riyadh, you would see the dirt poor beggars lined up around fast food places at Iftar. The devout, breaking their fast with a bucket of chicken would either put a few riyals in their outstretched hands, or give them a piece of chicken. A friend told me that the beggars would have to live on the money they made for the entire year. Needless to say, many didn't make it.

Posted by: Moki at December 04, 2015 09:58 PM (7q2ch)

621 rickl,

Since the enemy regards Idiocracy as their tech manual, even better...

Posted by: SMFH at December 04, 2015 09:58 PM (zyIlW)

622 The arrival of Jesus and his teachings largely abrogate the Old Testament.

No, no, no. Jesus fulfills it and so we are not bound by it.

Slightly different.

Kind of like how natural born citizens don't have to take citizenship tests. The existence of natural born citizens does not do away with naturalized citizens.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at December 04, 2015 09:58 PM (0NdlF)

623 none of the old testament says to the modern man kill anybody. none of it justifies killing anybody.

Well, there was the whole avenger of blood deal (basically the death penalty for murder but carried out by a particular male member of the aggrieved family)

Posted by: Methos at December 04, 2015 09:59 PM (ZbV+0)

624
Three Tomahawks, all launched by menstruating, left handed women would be my preference.

Posted by: Tammy

Fixed

Posted by: Jean at December 04, 2015 09:59 PM (fBkaR)

625 Yes, and no. The root meaning of "radical" is "from the root". jihadis are radicals, because they are practicing islam as it was practiced by mo' himself. The "peaceful" ones are either in deep cover, indifferent, or apostates. There is no "peaceful" islam in the books.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 04, 2015 09:36 PM (+y3Tj)

But Radical in the west has a connotation of being different from the Norm...

For Islam, Jihad IS the expected Norm...

I prefer to call them Fundamentalists.

Posted by: BB Wolf at December 04, 2015 09:59 PM (qh617)

626 Violence is part of the canon in Islam, it comes directly from the Koran. Followers are exhorted to kill the unbelievers, told that they will go directly to paradise if they die during the effort, and commanded to convert by the sword.

There are good Muslims, and I have met some, but it is a credit to them as individuals that they have ignored the bloodthirsty aspects of their faith and embraced the sane parts. It is not a credit to the religion, which remains an unreformed source of barbarism.

And in my choice of the word unreformed lies a hint at the solution. They need their own version of the Reformation, or some kind of Synod where the calls to violence could be expurgated from the canon. There's a lot of disagreement about what Mohammed actually wrote, since a lot of it was amended in up to 300 years of his death as "attested sayings" or hadiths, and a lot of those were dubious, contradictory, and added by various tribes for political reasons.

Until we see such an effort, making peace with Islam and telling ourselves that it's reasonable and safe to treat it like a neighbor is nothing short of insanity.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at December 04, 2015 09:59 PM (HalrA)

627 "My point is that the real difference is in how the individuals choose to interpret their own religion, and not the religion itself"

But islam *explicitly states* that the peaceful verses are abrogated. There's no interpretation. It's "this was the truth, but now it's not, follow this version instead"

Posted by: Lauren at December 04, 2015 09:59 PM (Kqit+)

628 I just don't see any hope.

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at December 04, 2015 09:59 PM (COpZ4)

629 Let's simplify:

Who is the model for devout Christians in Christianity?

Who is the model for devout muslims in islamic theology?

Do those two people have anything in common?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 04, 2015 10:01 PM (9YDUz)

630 We are not selectively ignoring the Bible, but following what we are told to do in the NT.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at December 04, 2015 09:52 PM (0NdlF)

Buy a sword?

Posted by: Doom Rider at December 04, 2015 10:01 PM (ck8TA)

631 611
I'm a much bigger fan of the old testament than the new.

I'm getting that way myself - and I'm decidedly non-religious. But this shit is bullshit. It's beyond the pale.

We saw an active Federal Investigation get tanked today, purposely.

Posted by: Irony at December 04, 2015 10:01 PM (qmMG2)

632 The next time I'm in a hurry to see a pic of the female perp, you guys step in and remind me of this. Yikes.
---
IKR?

600 comment and not a single "I'd hit that" nor elbows

Posted by: Methos at December 04, 2015 10:01 PM (ZbV+0)

633 Posted by: baldilocks at December 04, 2015 09:58 PM (ys2UW)

Link?

Posted by: @votermom at December 04, 2015 10:01 PM (cbfNE)

634 Threads like this are when I miss "Aisha" from the old LGF days.

Posted by: logprof at December 04, 2015 10:02 PM (vsbNu)

635 ChemJeff, it is not modern Christians who came to such an understanding. When Christ came into this world, the old covenants were set aside for a new covenant consecrated by the spilling of His own blood.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 04, 2015 10:02 PM (+eQyZ)

636 Again, chemjeff does not himself believe this, just showing that anyone can cherry-pick things from a religious source to justify bullshit.

A Christian would have to ignore most of the Bible to use it to justify a murderous rampage.

A Muslim would have to ignore most of the Koran to NOT justify a murderous rampage.

That difference matters. The moderate peaceful Muslims are the heretics. (or just practicing taqqiya until the time is right)

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at December 04, 2015 10:02 PM (0NdlF)

637 Chem Jeff modern Jews don't go around killing nonbeliever a either. You know why? Because from the beginning, Jews have recognized that mans understanding is imperfect and subject to many interpretations. Scholars disagree with the text and each other

But then the main tenant of Judaism is not "submission', and questioning is not only not suppressed but encouraged. You are allowed to disagree and debate

Islam does not permit debate and questioning. Their primary focus is submission. They are hardware to reject opposing points of view to the point of bloodshed, thus their thousand years of civil war

And THAT is the fault of the religion

Posted by: ThunderB at December 04, 2015 10:02 PM (zOTsN)

638 Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at December 04, 2015 09:59 PM (COpZ4)
Soon.I got Loggia, you're next.

Posted by: Abe Vigoda at December 04, 2015 10:02 PM (oVJmc)

639 I just don't see any hope.

New normal.

Posted by: eleven at December 04, 2015 10:02 PM (rjtGa)

640 I am fine, by the way, with blaming Islam.

But not every Muslim does all this shit.

Way too many do, and in case I have not been clear all through this thread, I think it's time to deport them all, but for fuck's sake, if every Muslim in the country was a rabid jihadi, half of Michigan would have been slaughtered already.

And it may still happen, I have no about that.

What worries me more is their ability to vote vis a vis the large families they often have. (And I feel like the larger the family, the more inclined they are to be on radical side)

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 10:02 PM (RuxkS)

641 Some days peeps just can't stop trying to make a metaphor fit reality, no matter how much it hurts.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 04, 2015 10:02 PM (bLnSU)

642 Well, there was the whole avenger of blood deal (basically the death penalty for murder but carried out by a particular male member of the aggrieved family)

Posted by: Methos

I don't buy that one either.
"Vengeance is mine"

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 04, 2015 10:02 PM (9YDUz)

643 600 comment and not a single "I'd hit that" nor elbows
Posted by: Methos at December 04, 2015 10:01 PM (ZbV+0)

223 at range. And with the full face burka.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at December 04, 2015 10:03 PM (0NdlF)

644
Does anyone here know why the Crusades began?

Christians, from time to time, would visit the Holy Lands, which were, at the time, ruled by Muslims. All was going okay until the Muslim rulers decided to tax the visiting Christians. And then they taxed them more. And then it became a gouging. And there was mocking too I guess.

Reports of this ripoff and disrespect made it back to France and England, which pissed off Christians. Then some Christian leaders used it to gin up the mob and the Pope got involved and not before long they were recruiting huge rag-tag armies of ordinary people to go the muslim-controlled Holy Lands and show those pieces of shit what's what.

On the way, however, some of these mobs of people did some awful things. But that's another story for another day..

Posted by: Soothsayer, ho ho ho at December 04, 2015 10:03 PM (aErmE)

645 630 We are not selectively ignoring the Bible, but following what we are told to do in the NT.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at December 04, 2015 09:52 PM (0NdlF)

Buy a sword?

Posted by: Doom Rider at December 04, 2015 10:01 PM (ck8TA)

/looks at the swords hanging on his walls...

Well.... yes....

Posted by: BB Wolf at December 04, 2015 10:04 PM (qh617)

646 Posted by: ThunderB at December 04, 2015 10:02 PM (zOTsN)

Jews are innately more civilized than just about any other culture. Amazing considering how they've been treated all down through history.

They are the only people I know who do not turn around and do to others what was done to them.

God's Chosen, indeed.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 10:04 PM (RuxkS)

647 600 comment and not a single "I'd hit that" nor elbows
Posted by: Methos at December 04, 2015 10:01 PM (ZbV+0)

--Someone in the previous thread said she could be an 8, which on my scale would be hittable.

Posted by: logprof at December 04, 2015 10:04 PM (vsbNu)

648
Who is the model for devout Christians in Christianity?

Who is the model for devout muslims in islamic theology?

Do those two people have anything in common?

***

us christians are weak because we project our values on to these inbred whack jobs.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 04, 2015 10:05 PM (FtF5k)

649 ONT is up

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at December 04, 2015 10:05 PM (+jyzN)

650
This thread is now dead.

I'm taking my comment and going to the nood.

Posted by: Soothsayer, ho ho ho at December 04, 2015 10:05 PM (aErmE)

651 Buy a sword?
Posted by: Doom Rider at December 04, 2015 10:01 PM (ck8TA)

Forgive me, I didn't have any cloaks to sell ...

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at December 04, 2015 10:05 PM (0NdlF)

652 "I'm a much bigger fan of the old testament than the new."

Careful...that's how we get into the Jews for Jesus fight again

Posted by: Lauren at December 04, 2015 10:05 PM (Kqit+)

653 *waves to Merovign*

So which of the many metaphors and memes being tortured now?

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 04, 2015 10:06 PM (+eQyZ)

654
Here's a piece of music. A familiar little ditty. Christian? or Muslim? You tell me. Does Islam have anything in its culture that inspires, other than inspiring jihad? Show me their music and I will tell you who they are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnQGs24U1e8

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at December 04, 2015 10:06 PM (dFi94)

655 Note.... trying to Reform Islam is an automatic death threat according to the Koran...

going to be a bit tough to have a 'reformation'.

Posted by: BB Wolf at December 04, 2015 10:06 PM (qh617)

656 G'night Horde. Have fun on the ONT.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at December 04, 2015 10:06 PM (0NdlF)

657 And another thing Islam and the Left have in common - love of taxes.

Posted by: @votermom at December 04, 2015 10:06 PM (cbfNE)

658 There are 1.5 billion of them. If you hate them all you're hating nearly 1/4 of God's creation.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at December 04, 2015 08:34 PM (1xUj/)

God created the muslims. Satan created their religion. Deal with it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 04, 2015 10:06 PM (+y3Tj)

659 But Deuteronomy 13 still exists. Modern Christians have come to an understanding that the kill-the-infidel parts of the Bible shouldn't be taken literally.
My point is that the real difference is in how the individuals choose to interpret their own religion, and not the religion itself. I could interpret the Bible in a violent fashion if I decided to ignore the "hippie love" parts of the Bible too. But that is considered fringe and not mainstream.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 04, 2015 09:55 PM (uZNvH)

Christ's Kingdom and ancient Israel are not the same (Old Israel was supposed to be a "type" of Christ. Typology) A lot of what's in the OT was specifically for the latter.

Posted by: baldilocks at December 04, 2015 10:07 PM (ys2UW)

660 Way too many do, and in case I have not been clear all through this
thread, I think it's time to deport them all, but for fuck's sake, if
every Muslim in the country was a rabid jihadi, half of Michigan would
have been slaughtered already.

Tammy ... I'm to the point where I don't trust Democracy but I do trust Probability. Probability says muslims want to kill me and politicians don't care.

So they vote. I don't give a damn. Then again - I'm ahead of most of you regarding this topic ...

Posted by: Irony at December 04, 2015 10:07 PM (qmMG2)

661 Home from my first hoops game of the season. Tough game, not pretty, the favored visitor (10th in NC) beat the home team (29th ranked) by 4. Now for my postgame burger and beer.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 04, 2015 10:07 PM (2cS/G)

662 From the FBI site's statistics on hate crimes:
When it comes to religious based hate crimes, 60 percent of victims are Jews, 13 percent are Muslims.

Why do we never hear the bleeding heart lefties complain about hate crimes against Jews?

By the way, 6 percent were victims of anti-Catholic hate crimes. What the hell? I grew up in an area that was heavily Baptist and Calvinist. I don't remember any anti-Catholic hate crimes. Ever.

Posted by: nerdygirl at December 04, 2015 10:08 PM (kGrwF)

663 "Sounds to me like we can either be a free society, then, or a society that's welcoming of further Muslim immigration -- but we can't be both."

This x 1 million.

I chose freedom.

Islam official dominate 25% of the land mass of the world. They have plenty of other places they can go.

Sharia is a political system by the way - not a religion.

Posted by: Jade Sea at December 04, 2015 10:08 PM (NkO30)

664 It's tliterally easier to get in this country with a fake Pockeyston address than it is for college freshmen to drink beer at Hooters. For God sakes -- her fake Pockeyston address includes a city less realistic than Oz

Let's bring 10,000 more innocent untraceable Muslim women and such so we can tiddie twist ISIS

Posted by: ajlfour at December 04, 2015 10:09 PM (XhS3T)

665 120
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 04, 2015 08:12 PM (CZlIp)

You're in your element now, I love when you talk about this stuff.

He's written books about the history, y'all, go buy them!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 08:17 PM (RuxkS)
*****************I love it too, I assumed (rightly/wrongly) prof. and maybe some scholarly papers, articles. But books -- available? I should be careful what I ask for because the whole Bene Gisserit reference made my brain matter fall out -- . Not up on sci/fi Dune etc.
Anyway, thanks to you both.

Posted by: gracepc at December 04, 2015 10:09 PM (OU4q6)

666 This really isn't that hard, sometimes.
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at December 04, 2015 07:50 PM (DLu2s)

Yeah, maybe you should see what Islam actually teaches.

One guy made a point recently that I thought was interesting. Part of the reason the violence is on the rise in Islam is that literacy is up in the Muslim world and people can see what is actually says.

Posted by: WOPR at December 04, 2015 10:10 PM (LTDSy)

667 Modern Christians have come to an understanding that the kill-the-infidel parts of the Bible shouldn't be taken literally.

We haven't done any such thing. We are not the nation of Israel (being set aside form the worse wickedness of the World in preparation for the Savior's arrival) so those laws don't apply to us.

The Israelites absolutely were literally required to slay those who dirtied the nation with the adoption of false religions. They were entirely right to do so when they did. They unfortunately didn't, much, which led to most every problem they ever had.

Posted by: Methos at December 04, 2015 10:10 PM (ZbV+0)

668 Egads. Scrolled too far and just responded to that same comment twice.

Must be getting old.

Posted by: Methos at December 04, 2015 10:11 PM (ZbV+0)

669 633 Posted by: baldilocks at December 04, 2015 09:58 PM (ys2UW)

Link?
Posted by: @votermom at December 04, 2015 10:01 PM (cbfNE)

In my nick!

Posted by: baldilocks at December 04, 2015 10:12 PM (ys2UW)

670 Under penalty of US law with a fine or imprisonment, answer these questions truthfully:
#1: Do you now, or would you ever, believe in taqiyya?
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 04, 2015 09:54 PM (ftVQq)
________________________

The thing about declarations made on official government forms "under penalty of perjury" is that perjury is a specific intent crime. That is, the person must have formed a specific intent to deceive in order to be successfully prosecuted for the crime.

Lefty lawyers have taught seminars about this to various groups of law-breakers for years. It's why illegal aliens are taught to check the "yes" box on the voter registration (and welfare, etc.) forms that ask "Are you a U.S. citizen or legal resident?" They tell the illegals that in most cases, their citizenship is not going to be verified, and in those rare cases where it is and they get questioned about their false declarations, they are to tell the official who questions them that they simply misunderstood the questions (because of their lack of English language skills), and had no intent to deceive. (They teach them to say things like: "I thought it was asking if I want to be a U.S. citizen or legal resident, and I checked yes, because I do.")

There is a reason why so many of the lefty groups have legions of lawyers on staff, and it's the same reason why organizations like CAIR have so many lawyers on their payroll.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at December 04, 2015 10:12 PM (a31sM)

671 If the book is open to interpretation then it has poetic significance. If the book is historical or scientific then it is open to review. If the book is unquestioned then it is trivial. Sorry.

Posted by: My gun at December 04, 2015 10:12 PM (WCvwe)

672 I will not submit. They better get used to that

Posted by: ThunderB at December 04, 2015 10:12 PM (zOTsN)

673 I know this has already been highlighted, but this ..

"One last thing: I don't really think Islam, per se, is responsible for Islamist violence"

.. is exactly why we are losing this war

Why don't we take these Islamic terrorists at face value when they say they are motivated by Islam/the Koran ?

Posted by: Big Star at December 04, 2015 10:13 PM (/wt4l)

674
Let's bring 10,000 more innocent untraceable Muslim women and such so we can tiddie twist ISIS
Posted by: ajlfour at December 04, 2015 10:09 PM (XhS3T)

Was Speedbump's shrewish hag of a mother from Pockeyston?

Posted by: nerdygirl at December 04, 2015 10:13 PM (kGrwF)

675 Religions generally follow the psyche of the people
in any given area. The religion grows up out of the culture.
Anthropology 101.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 08:20 PM (RuxkS)

Except... Islam encourages murder and conquest in converts from other non-Arab cultures and Christianity encourages the exact opposite in its converts from cultures all over the earth (Africa, Asia, South America, etc.) Its not the culture... its the fucked up belief system.

Posted by: redbanzai at December 04, 2015 10:17 PM (NPofj)

676 I don't buy that one either.
"Vengeance is mine"

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 04, 2015 10:02 PM (9YDUz)
Don't take my word for it, go look it up (if you care). There was this whole thing about designated sanctuary cities you could hide in safely if you had killed someone accidentally that the avenger was bound by the same law to recognize, and if you stayed there long enough (until the high priest died and was replaced) the avenger wasn't allowed to touch you.Vengeance was always God's. The avenger didn't act out of anger, but under duty. I think there's a later story that actually revolves around a guy who's being chased but I don't remember the names of those involved.

Posted by: Methos at December 04, 2015 10:19 PM (ZbV+0)

677 "But then the main tenant of Judaism is not 'submission', and questioning
is not only not suppressed but encouraged. You are allowed to disagree
and debate"

Two Jews, three opinions.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 04, 2015 10:19 PM (noWW6)

678 Probably best to hedge your bet and get your believing on before you expect proof. Just sayin'.

Posted by: tcn in AK
---
Yeah, the Pascal thingy. He's probably rolling over in his grave as well over what's happening.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 04, 2015 10:20 PM (V/11D)

679 One last thing: I don't really think Islam, per se, is responsible for Islamist violence.

Sorry Ace,

But if you've ever read the Koran, the violence and murder is baked into the cake.

Islam itself is the problem.

As a for instance- you, I think, are an atheist, it would be perfectly moral under islam for a muslim to walk up and shoot you in the head. Same with a Hindu or Buddhist.

"People of the Book", Jews and Christians, are supposed to receive some consideration but you see how that works out in the real world.

Does that mean we have to fight a "war against islam"?

Not necessarily.

But it means, we as a nation need to go after every mosque, every imam, every would be jihadist, every funder of jihad, every member of the Saudi, and Emiri royalty who funded 911 and kill them.

And, of course, end any and all immigration from any muslim countries.

Sooner or later the message will get through.

But, islam in America?

Eh, it may be possible. But, to be a good muslim, that is, to follow the dictates of Allah and Mohammed, it is completely impossible to be a good American citizen.

Read the Koran Read the hadiths. it's all there.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 04, 2015 10:21 PM (KUa85)

680 They aren't equivalent because Christianity isn't BASED ON THE OLD TESTAMENT. The arrival of Jesus and his teachings largely abrogate the Old Testament.

Oh for Pete's sake. Not to pick on you, but y'all are driving me nuts.

The Old and New Testament are a seamless whole, the Old Testament providing the necessary background to properly understand the New. See Paul's discussion of the role of the Law in Romans, for example. The ceremonial law - the sacrifices, the distinction between clean and unclean, et., have been fulfilled by the final sacrifice of Jesus. The judicial laws, tailored to fit the needs of a Bronze Age people, do not apply in their specifics because Israel is no longer a model of righteous behavior (and an example of how impossible it is to actually be righteous), but the principles behind the law, which reflect the unchanging nature of God, who is in himself the standard of goodness. The moral law (the Ten commandments and the like) are likewise still applicable. The Old Testament is not rendered obsolete or abrogated by the New Testament. It is part of a whole, and ought to be treated as such.

God did not change between the Old and the New Testament, The same God who commanded the destruction of the Canaanites is the same God that came to earth to die for our sins and who will come again with fire and sword to judge the earth once and for all.

Yes, figuring out how to apply the Old Testament can be a very complex task, particularly when dealing with the proper role of government (which the New Testament does not directly address for the most part, I note). That is not a good excuse for ignoring it.

What DO they teach in Sunday school these days?

/rant off

Posted by: Grey Fox at December 04, 2015 10:23 PM (bZ7mE)

681 Never mind the 1950s. I think I'd rather be in medieval Europe despite the lack of Sunday elbows and wings.

At this point I'd even feel safer in Israel. Never thought I'd say that. It's utterly demoralizing when your own government is against you.Their government, their Mossad has their back. They still have fight left in them, and they are a canny people. They have more chance of surviving this than we do. I hope something happens soon to change my mind about that.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 04, 2015 10:26 PM (V/11D)

682 Modern Christians have come to an understanding that the kill-the-infidel parts of the Bible shouldn't be taken literally.

We haven't done any such thing. We are not the nation of Israel (being set aside form the worse wickedness of the World in preparation for the Savior's arrival) so those laws don't apply to us.

The Israelites absolutely were literally required to slay those who dirtied the nation with the adoption of false religions. They were entirely right to do so when they did. They unfortunately didn't, much, which led to most every problem they ever had.

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lolz instead of welcoming in with diversity initiatives and welfare benefits?

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 04, 2015 10:31 PM (FtF5k)

683 Posted by: Soothsayer, ho ho ho at December 04, 2015 10:03 PM (aErmE)

You left out something important about why the Crusades started.

The Patriarch of Constantinople asked the Pope for help reclaiming the Byzantine Empire's conquered lands, which included the Holy Land.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at December 04, 2015 10:41 PM (HalrA)

684 "What DO they teach in Sunday school these days?"

Uh, that Jesus fulfilled the law (of the Old Testament) and we are to follow the law of the New Testament, and that we are given God the Holy Spirit to dwell within us to help discern what is righteous according to God.

Posted by: doug at December 04, 2015 10:48 PM (ufmpT)

685 At this point I'd even feel safer in Israel. Never
thought I'd say that. It's utterly demoralizing when your own government
is against you.Their government, their Mossad has their back. They
still have fight left in them, and they are a canny people. They have
more chance of surviving this than we do. I hope something happens soon
to change my mind about that.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 04, 2015 10:26 PM (V/11D)

Same here, but if Hillary is elected, I'm declaring myself a member of one of the Lost Tribes and moving to Israel.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at December 04, 2015 10:48 PM (HalrA)

686 Modern Christians have come to an understanding that the kill-the-infidel parts of the Bible shouldn't be taken literally.

We haven't done any such thing. We are not the nation of Israel (being set aside form the worse wickedness of the World in preparation for the Savior's arrival) so those laws don't apply to us.

The Israelites absolutely were literally required to slay those who dirtied the nation with the adoption of false religions. They were entirely right to do so when they did. They unfortunately didn't, much, which led to most every problem they ever had.
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lolz instead of welcoming in with diversity initiatives and welfare benefits?
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at December 04, 2015 10:31 PM

Yeah we need to accept more.

Posted by: Farmer at December 04, 2015 10:49 PM (o/90i)

687 The moderates don't stand a chance because they have to torture the text to make their point. The "radicals" have the much easier reading.

Posted by: WOPR at December 04, 2015 10:49 PM (LTDSy)

688 Check this asshole out:

https://goo.gl/irluwT

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 04, 2015 09:46 PM (iQIUe)

Ehrlich? Spawn of the genocidal population bomb Ehrlichs?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 04, 2015 10:50 PM (T78UI)

689 Posted by: baldilocks at December 04, 2015 09:58 PM (ys2UW)

Is that going to be a regular paying gig at Hot Air?

Posted by: EFG at December 04, 2015 10:52 PM (C+qQ0)

690 559 Check this asshole out:

https://goo.gl/irluwT
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 04, 2015 09:46 PM (iQIUe)

His Twitter blurb says:

"Staff Writer @RollingStone. searching for my inner idiot."

I think he found it.

Posted by: rickl at December 04, 2015 10:56 PM (sdi6R)

691 Soothsayer, the Crusades were started to repel a small Muslim invasion but grew into the goal of freeing Christians and Jerusalem from the Muslims that had militarily took over the region in the 600s. Don't whitewash it as if the Muslims were their first - they weren't.

Posted by: doug at December 04, 2015 10:57 PM (ufmpT)

692 Same here, but if Hillary is elected, I'm declaring myself a member of one of the Lost Tribes and moving to Israel.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party
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Dad's a joo so that's a real option for me. Good luck, I'm sure there wouldn't be any real obstacles for you or most people. But again, hopefully something will get shaken up here so that won't be necessary.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 04, 2015 10:58 PM (V/11D)

693 but there's something in the water (of culture, of cultural psychology) that makes murder even an option in the first place.

Well if that were true then it's universal to all cultures isn't it. Cause there's never been a culture that was murder free. Or stated differently man is in a fallen state.

Is it culture that makes him bad or is his culture bad because he's fallen. If men fix themselves by following say, oh I dunno Christianity, does culture improve? If that's yes does it suggest culture is a product - a net sum- of men's value choices. Can a bad culture lead to a downward spiral of more bad individual choices over time?

Does any of this look like the last 60 years?

Posted by: simplemind at December 04, 2015 11:21 PM (BTnAK)

694 You're focusing on the how and not the why.

If a a serial killer kills a family and leaves cut-out words from the Catcher in the Rye, you would be right to think Catcher in the Rye is important to the killer's psychology. However, you would missing the mark if you thought that was the why of it.

The why of it is always the same sort of why: there is a deep psychic wounding in the person, often involving sexual dysfunction.

Catcher in the Rye is chosen as a the fetish, but there's a reason the killer had need of a fetish in the first place.

Posted by: ace at December 04, 2015 08:12 PM (dciA+)

Sorry ace this is the equivalent of "They just need jobs" but just on a slightly different level. You may not believe in religion, but a lot of people do and while they may no honor it completely it is important and a driving force. Non-religious people tend to not understand what religion means to the religious. They see it as tribal, self-serving, delusional, etc. They miss that sometimes it is sincere.

When 25-33% of Muslims in this country want sharia law, that isn't a small number.

Posted by: WOPR at December 04, 2015 11:35 PM (LTDSy)

695 Religions generally follow the psyche of the people in any given area. The religion grows up out of the culture. Anthropology 101.
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at December 04, 2015 08:20 PM (RuxkS)

Chicken and egg argument.

Posted by: WOPR at December 04, 2015 11:40 PM (LTDSy)

696 It's clear that Ace, like all the online and broadcast blatherers, has not read the Koran, and probably couldn't tell you what ahadith or tafsir is. These pages often make fun -and rightly so - of people going on ignorantly about guns. Ace, in this instanc,e deserves the same.

That having been said, he is sorta on to something in that Islam reflects the tribal society that spawned it.

Posted by: Patrick Strei at December 04, 2015 11:41 PM (DhALb)

697 I don't think she's ugly, but I also don't the family lawyer was telling the truth when he said she couldn't have even carried the guns since she only weighed, like, 90 lbs.

Posted by: DHM at December 04, 2015 11:43 PM (yVhDA)

698 Of course, to be alone with a woman who is not your relative, you can suckle from her and it is totes cool. Some Coptic priest in Egypt brought that up and drove the imam's nuts because it is in the hadiths.

Posted by: WOPR at December 04, 2015 11:44 PM (LTDSy)

699 This is one of the truest posts I have ever read at the HQ. There is no love in islam - ask any islam convert to Christianity. They were brought to Christ most often by hearing of the love of Jesus. This, by their own admission, is a completely foreign concept in islam. Allah is a presence to fear, not a person to love. And they are scared to death of being cast forever into hell. That is why they do the suicide bomber thing - it guarantees them that they will bypass hell and go straight to heaven. The only hope they have is in the terror of their dying. So when they hear that Christ offers forgiveness, not fierce anger - they turn to Him and do their best to stay alive while living amidst their muslim families.

Just felt like that was so good a comment it needed to be reposted.

Posted by: simplemind at December 04, 2015 11:45 PM (BTnAK)

700 "I don't really think Islam, per se, is responsible for Islamist violence."

Although it looks like this has been pointed out already, I feel compelled to say: This is wrong. 100%, totally, completely wrong.

Islam literally commands its adherents to kill infidels. Period. Pagans (like the Yazidis, according to Muslims) are massacred and enslaved. Monotheists are merely massacred until they are subjugated, then enslaved.

There is no room for interpretation, here. "Kill those who believe not in the Day of Judgment and do not forbid what the Prophet forbids."

Also, see the Hadith of the Gharqad Tree. The Day of Judgment will not arrive until the Muslims kill all the Jews.

Posted by: Apostate at December 05, 2015 12:12 AM (zaVwL)

701 "This really is little different than when some anti-abortion nut goes on
a killing spree and the left immediately denounces "evangelical
Christians". The only difference is the frequency of the events."

That's shallow and wrong.

For one thing, the SCOPE of the events. Anti-abortion nuts haven't even hit the double digits in their murder victims. Muslims killed more than that *this week*.

For another, said 'nuts' are targeting individuals who, in their eyes, are proudly murdering babies. Muslims will happily kill anyone who belongs to the wrong religion, regardless of individual status or actions. Farooq killed his friends at work. Mass shootings, bombings, steady and deliberate beheadings.

The two are not comparable.

Posted by: Apostate at December 05, 2015 12:26 AM (zaVwL)

702 Deport all Muslims.

Posted by: Thespellingolice at December 05, 2015 12:28 AM (wGrZS)

703 Deport them all. I do not care, nor do I believe in the moderates who let this happen by staying silent post 9/11.

The US Govt, under this administration has blood on their hands....an no way is this going to pass unnoticed by those opposed to illegal immigration. If this is "legal" immigration, no thank you to the new batch of "refugees."

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at December 05, 2015 12:36 AM (7lqMl)

704 Just taking up Ace's point and trying for middle ground:

Mustafa Kemal Ataturk saw that Islam is political, but he hoped to modernise it by eliminating the Caliphate, to make it a modern religion which could coexist with others in a modern state. Elimination of the Caliphate was the key. Those who want the Caliphate back have been and are the problem ever since.

If we insist that all Muslims in western countries renounce all aspirations to a Caliphate, then that may be enough to prevent terror and allow the moderates to dominate. That would have to be absolute though, on pain of expulsion on the hint of Caliphate. It's no more than we demanded of former Nazis.
Perhaps we could demand

Posted by: bruce at December 05, 2015 12:47 AM (E+ah4)

705 Ignore "Perhaps we could demand"

Don't know what happened there.

Caliph=Hitler=war. The other problem is Arabs are really really proud that "Allah" spoke in their language. It's such a thing that Pakistani and Indonesian Muslims make up fake genealogies for their supposed Arab and Muhamad ancestry. Blood-language, the Koran IS a war chant. The Nazis had nothing as powerful.

Posted by: bruce at December 05, 2015 01:00 AM (E+ah4)

706 Dead thread shout out to baldilocks regarding the oddity of the jihadette's name:
The Egyptian ex-Muslim author Walid Shoebat says the name of "Tashfeen Malik" is an Muslim nom de guerre, the name of a prominent jihadist invader of Spain centuries ago. That's why the authorities can't find reliable information on her. It's not her real name. To his ear, it's like saying "Syed Farouk and his wife Julius Caesar" or something.

Posted by: Ben Ghazzara at December 05, 2015 01:05 AM (AY/Hp)

707 This is really the first time in my life (and I am not a young person) that I feel that my own government not only does not represent me, but, in fact, wants me to be either dead or locked up.

It is a bad feeling.
Very bad.

Posted by: navybrat at December 05, 2015 02:27 AM (Xodlv)

708 Late to the party. Glad to see so many criticising Ace for:

" I don't really think Islam, per se, is responsible for Islamist violence."

Posted by: skzion at December 05, 2015 02:53 AM (4X4mo)

709 If they didn't want to live among Christians and Jews why did they come to America.

Sticks and stone may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.

Internalize that, and get over your grudges.

Welcome to America, you are now responsible for your own happiness. Stop looking for your happiness in the approval of others.

It won't happen, it doesn't happen for any of us, there are always those who disapprove of something, it's called living in America.

If something offends you: switch it off, don't buy it, avoid those people, do what the rest of us do.

I don't get HBO or the other channels because the smut is distasteful to me. I don't go to R movies, because I want to keep that out of my life. That is how you live by your own conscience in America. You set the rules for your own life now, society doesn't have to follow your conscience.

Let other people be wrong according to your way of thinking. It is very liberating to live and let live.

I'm willing to let you be wrong, I'm just not willing to let you kill me.

Posted by: petunia at December 05, 2015 05:23 AM (VoCyE)

710 If we insist that all Muslims in western countries renounce all aspirations to a Caliphate, then that may be enough to prevent terror and allow the moderates to dominate. That would have to be absolute though, on pain of expulsion on the hint of Caliphate. It's no more than we demanded of former Nazis.
Perhaps we could demand
Posted by: bruce at December 05, 2015 12:47 AM (E+ah4)

I've also come to the conclusion that we need some kind of test, a way to tell who is dangerous, and who is normal.

Did we make Nazi's formally reject Nazism?

Because it isn't Islam they have to reject, just using it for a poltical end such as Sharia law, or the Caliphate.

Posted by: petunia at December 05, 2015 05:27 AM (VoCyE)

711 I'll believe Islam is serious about peace when they start turning in each other.

Posted by: Reality Man at December 05, 2015 07:02 AM (BNEdd)

712 The connection to the Red Mosque in Pakistan suggests membership in al Qaeda. They were also connected to the Jamaat-e-Islami, Deobandi Islamist group associated with the Saudi Wahhabis.

Given the rivalry and infighting in Syria between al Qaeda & ISIS, the fact that the wide made a Facebook post minutes before the attack in which she pledge allegiance to ISIS is a bit curious. Had she & her husband switched to ISIS at the last minute? Or were they carrying out a false-flag operation by Al Qaeda by pinning this attack on ISIS?

There's no way to know for sure, especially now that the evidence at the apartment has been tampered with by the media (and ignored by the incompetent FBI).

Posted by: Griffin at December 05, 2015 09:38 AM (427vl)

713 I'm a Muslim and I'm actually shocked at how rational this post was.

I guess it says something when I've become used to, and now expect, calls for Muslims to be put in camps or the Mideast to be nuked, etc. This seems like genuinely reasoned thought in comparison. It's also a little enlightening because I had no idea why people hated CAIR. The reasoning for that is still not entirely consistent but I understand it now and it makes sense.

I did not read the other comments because I'm assuming I wouldn't see the same there. A bit too early in the morning for me to run into calls of genocide or a new Crusade. Maybe after breakfast.

Posted by: John at December 05, 2015 10:12 AM (7rVoZ)

714 From Baldilocks Facebook post: Walid Shoebatsays: "Tashfeen Malik (King) is a nom de guerre for a Muslim Jihadist from the annals of Muslim history. As he is known to MuslimsTashfeen Malik Al-Muahideen, in English: Tafhseen King of the Unitarians (Muslims) and the conquerer of the west. The history stems from when Yusuf ibn Tashfin led the Muslim forces in the Battle of Zallaqa/Sagrajas. He came to Andalusia from Morocco to help the Muslims fight against Alfonso VI, eventually achieving victory and allowing the Muslims to remain in Spain for centuries. The battle has been symbolic for Muslim victory against the Christians."

Posted by: Ruth H at December 05, 2015 10:12 AM (0+1eb)

715 Regarding Shariah and the Caliphate:

Shariah includes how Muslims fast or pray or clean themselves or treat their parents, etc. It refers to basically every rule God hands down, no matter how small.

How did such a vague and general term come to stand for the few most extreme political acts in Islamic history? I guess they had the better marketing campaign. Buying time on CNN or Fox is expensive for normal folks. The extremists bought it with blood.

As for the Caliphate, it's a defunct religious institution. You can't remove the idea from the religion either. Especially since Islamic eschatology says Jesus will return and establish it again. I mean, just asking people to pledge allegiance to the flag of the US, for example, achieves what you want. But obviously the terrorists will lie. So there's no verbal promise you can force people to make and expect that it will change things.

The CIA and FBI have the right idea. Follow the links. With ISIS' use of social media, that is tougher, but still possible. That's why we have the NSA monitoring everything after all. They just need to be competent at doing their jobs. Republicans always talk about how the government can't so anything right. That's true here. They can't seem to do shit with history's most powerful surveillance system.

Posted by: John at December 05, 2015 10:21 AM (7rVoZ)

716 I hope you guys yelled at ace thoroughly about this post.

Posted by: DaveA at December 05, 2015 11:16 AM (DL2i+)

717 Ever notice that the ledt uses the same argument against "right wing" christians as the right uses against Islam? It's as if they're using the same 'fill in the blank' template or something.

otoh, the christians aren't - currently - running around chopping body parts off of people who disagree with them, so there's that.

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at December 05, 2015 11:34 AM (KJZeR)

718
One last thing: I don't really think Islam, per se, is responsible for Islamist violence.

Yes. Yes it is. The Quran teaches the true believer:

to kill the Jew
to kill the apostate
to convert the infidel
if that's not possible, then kill the infidel
if that's not possible, then to subject the infidel to oppression

these things must be done. There is a verse that says that the trees will say "Oh, Muslim, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him".

Catholics don't have that.
Amish don't have that.
Even the loathsome Scientologists are that depraved.

Now mix that wil Arab tribalism (or Persian) and you have a dangerous combination.

Posted by: I R A Aggie at December 05, 2015 11:41 AM (xopvV)

719
The arrival of Jesus and his teachings largely abrogate the Old Testament.

Abrogate is the wrong word. Fulfill is the better choice, as per Matthew 5:17-18

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. "

Posted by: I R A Aggie at December 05, 2015 11:48 AM (xopvV)

720
I did not read the other comments because I'm assuming I wouldn't see the same there. A bit too early in the morning for me to run into calls of genocide or a new Crusade. Maybe after breakfast.

You should study the Quran and hadiths more closely to see what your faith actually teaches about apostates, Jews, gays, and infidels.

You'll forgive us if we choose to not go meekly to our deaths.

If that means nuking Mecca, so be it. See, the secret is that Islam teaches that Allah will not ever allow any of the holy sites to be destroyed. So if one would disappear in mushroom cloud, well then maybe Allah isn't all that...

Posted by: I R A Aggie at December 05, 2015 11:52 AM (xopvV)

721 Oh, c'mon -- you're all over-thinking this Islam thing.

The easiest answer ever:

Islam == The Borg

Be Assimilated or Die.

Once you're "of the Body" you get to do any freakin' evil thing you want, as long as you restrain yourself a wee bit and do it ONLY to the UN-assimilated. NONE of your fellow Borg will call you out on it, because IT'S RIGHT THERE IN THE DAMNED {literally} BOOK. They may *prefer* you didn't blow up a kindergarten or whatev's , but hey! Mohammed said "bring terror" and you are a True Muslim, following the Perfect Example that Mohammed set. Home free, baby!

Posted by: Doo-Dah, Doo-Dah at December 07, 2015 04:04 PM (sY1oD)

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