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Cruz: You Know, Marco Rubio's Kinda Responsible for Benghazi, Too
Cruz tries positioning himself as the Middle Way on interventionism, not an isolationist, but not a raring to jump into every fight like McCain, either.
"Senator Rubio emphatically supported Hillary Clinton in toppling [Muammar] Qaddafi in Libya. I think that made no sense," Cruz told Bloomberg Politics in a wide-ranging and exclusive interview during a campaign swing through Iowa. He argued that the 2011 bombings that toppled the Libyan leader didn't help the fight against terrorists. "Qaddafi was a bad man, he had a horrible human rights record. And yet ... he had become a significant ally in fighting radical Islamic terrorism." "The terrorist attack that occurred in Benghazi was a direct result of that massive foreign policy blunder," Cruz said during a drive eastward from a town-hall event near Iowa City to another in the town of Clinton.Cruz also attacked Rubio's judgment on both Egypt and the civil war in Syria, remarking about the last, "we have no dog in that fight." I'm not really certain what Cruz means -- does he mean we did not have a dog in that fight, but do now with the rise of ISIS, or does he mean to rule out "military adventurism" there? I imagine actually means the former but is willing to use a little strategic ambiguity to draw in any Paul-type anti-interventionists. Rubio has meanwhile been attacking Cruz as "soft" on national security, highlighting Cruz's support for the stupidly named USA FREEDOM Act, which de-authorizes mass collection of phone data. Rubio, meanwhile, supported the old policy of mass collection.
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Oneth?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 01, 2015 12:05 PM (LUgeY)
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I'll fetch the others.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 01, 2015 12:06 PM (LUgeY)
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He's not wrong.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 01, 2015 12:06 PM (AkOaV)
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Maybe they can start using their attacks against Hillary!
Posted by: donna at December 01, 2015 12:07 PM (/dSsq)
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Rubio gave a "tea party" fig leaf to Obama / Hillary on that stupid adventure in Libya where we flew as the airforce for the jihadis.
That should not be forgotten.
Rand Paul and Ted Cruz led to effort against the war in Libya.
That should not be forgotten.
Rand Paul and Ted Cruz led to effort against the war in Libya.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 01, 2015 12:07 PM (AkOaV)
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I support mass collection.
Posted by: Amy Schumer at December 01, 2015 12:08 PM (2WoCi)
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I think the "no dog in the fight" in Syria refers to the fact that neither side in that civil war is or will be a US ally in the future.
Posted by: peapod at December 01, 2015 12:08 PM (gJAok)
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OK, things are getting interesting....
Posted by: Lizzy at December 01, 2015 12:08 PM (NOIQH)
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I lost all respect I had left for JEB! when he did not defend his brother about Iraq.
I would have said, "OF course I never would have invaded if I knew the next President would throw it all away by abandoning Iraq! Neither would George!" "Iraq was at peace until Obama cut and Run!"
I would have said, "OF course I never would have invaded if I knew the next President would throw it all away by abandoning Iraq! Neither would George!" "Iraq was at peace until Obama cut and Run!"
Posted by: rd at December 01, 2015 12:09 PM (Ltj2h)
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4: "Maybe they can start using their attacks against Hillary!'
Did Hillary jump into the Republican primary?
Did Hillary jump into the Republican primary?
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 01, 2015 12:09 PM (UPYPp)
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Rahm just fired the Police Chief in Chicago. This will not curb the rabid #blackliesmatter crowd cause they want his head too.
Posted by: dufuss at December 01, 2015 12:10 PM (iusVd)
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It's a pity all sides in the Syrian Civil War can't lose. Except the Kurds.
Posted by: Henry Kissinger at December 01, 2015 12:11 PM (FohCt)
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Cruz won't really to set foreign policy as VP, unless he's Cheney Mark II
Posted by: @votermom at December 01, 2015 12:11 PM (cbfNE)
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If I had to guess who'd come down on the side of the Constitution between Cruz and Dondi, my money would be on Cruz.
It's not like they don't know who the bad guys are. And where they are. And which mosque they go to and which goatfucking imam they fellate.
All of this illegality because we won't profile the bad guys.
#WASTF
It's not like they don't know who the bad guys are. And where they are. And which mosque they go to and which goatfucking imam they fellate.
All of this illegality because we won't profile the bad guys.
#WASTF
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 01, 2015 12:11 PM (LUgeY)
Posted by: Krims Krenel at December 01, 2015 12:12 PM (PLZH5)
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 01, 2015 12:13 PM (UPYPp)
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We must prevent people and cell phones using unbreakable ciphers because the Paris Attackers used unencrypted SMS messages to plan their attacks.
Posted by: NSA Apologist at December 01, 2015 12:13 PM (Ltj2h)
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Well, I have been looking for a younger version of McCain to not vote for this season...
Posted by: Chupacabra at December 01, 2015 12:13 PM (5npD/)
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#WASTF?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 01, 2015 12:14 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 01, 2015 12:14 PM (7+yyM)
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Corgis called
Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2015 12:14 PM (+ZSW1)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2015 12:15 PM (+ZSW1)
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#We Are So Terribly Fucked.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 01, 2015 12:15 PM (LUgeY)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 01, 2015 12:15 PM (zOTsN)
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*sigh* Where have all the flowers gone?
Posted by: Mr.KnowItAll at December 01, 2015 12:15 PM (uJK1E)
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 01, 2015 12:16 PM (UPYPp)
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The primary problem with Cruz's statement (besides the fact it is untrue) is that it makes Benghazi nothing more than a foreign policy failure. It was far, far worse than that.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 12:16 PM (YjDyJ)
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 01, 2015 12:17 PM (UPYPp)
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Cruz is not looking for a life line. For the first time his poll numbers are comparable to Rubios. He is fixin to get ahead of him. Frankly I am all for leaving in dictators who can repress jihadis. Don't care. Democracy isn't for everybody
Posted by: ThunderB at December 01, 2015 12:17 PM (zOTsN)
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I wonder if the reason none of these Rs attack Hillary is because they WANT to run against her rather than, say, Biden.
Posted by: kathysaysso at December 01, 2015 12:17 PM (fMQoG)
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I like how many of the progs who tell us that going after dictators like Khaddafi and Assad is good policy because they are terrible people, but going after Saddan in Iraq was a bad idea because it created instability and we had no exit plan.
PS -- Teddy Kennedy screamed 'Hi'
PS -- Teddy Kennedy screamed 'Hi'
Posted by: Satan of Cloggenstein Vt at December 01, 2015 12:17 PM (qSIlh)
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"Senator Rubio emphatically supported Hillary Clinton in toppling [Muammar] Qaddafi in Libya. I think that made no sense,"
that's true. Boobio backed Barky and his junta as they followed France's orders on Libya. It was un-Constitutional, too. And then Boobio (and the rest, including Cruz) never even demanded that Barky try to satisfy the War Powers Act on that - even if that was just for nothing other than window dressing. And it was all a total disaster, to boot.
Lucky for Barky that Bush had invaded Iraq
that's true. Boobio backed Barky and his junta as they followed France's orders on Libya. It was un-Constitutional, too. And then Boobio (and the rest, including Cruz) never even demanded that Barky try to satisfy the War Powers Act on that - even if that was just for nothing other than window dressing. And it was all a total disaster, to boot.
Lucky for Barky that Bush had invaded Iraq
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 01, 2015 12:17 PM (zc3Db)
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23 #We Are So Terribly Fucked.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 01, 2015 12:15 PM (LUgeY)
Thank you. A quick search failed to turn up anything useful.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 01, 2015 12:15 PM (LUgeY)
Thank you. A quick search failed to turn up anything useful.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 01, 2015 12:17 PM (oKE6c)
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If I recall correctly, when Hillary! was appointed Sec-o-State, Obama put most of the power of the office into the undersecretaries, with Hillary! essentially a powerless figurehead.
Poor Hillary! can't catch a break. The Sec-o-State gig was supposed to give her foreign policy experience for her Presidential bid, but she's saddled with the consequences of Obama's foreign policy.
But there's the graft, so no total loss for her.
Poor Hillary! can't catch a break. The Sec-o-State gig was supposed to give her foreign policy experience for her Presidential bid, but she's saddled with the consequences of Obama's foreign policy.
But there's the graft, so no total loss for her.
Posted by: davidt at December 01, 2015 12:18 PM (Bno4O)
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Has Cruz ever explained why he voted for the Corker Iran bill? I'd like an explanation on that one.
Btw, Trump is pro-NSA data collection though he says he hates it.
Btw, Trump is pro-NSA data collection though he says he hates it.
Posted by: L, Elle at December 01, 2015 12:18 PM (2x3L+)
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when Turkey stiffed on the Iraq invasion, we should have retaliated by carving out an independent Kurdistan...
they and the Israelis are the only thing resembling civilized people in the Middle East
they and the Israelis are the only thing resembling civilized people in the Middle East
Posted by: redc1c4 at December 01, 2015 12:18 PM (7+yyM)
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Rubio is an idiot. I assume he is in favor of importing fake refugees, open borders, etc. But Cruz is "soft" on national security because he's against collecting phone records of 80 year old grandmothers praying outside of PP, because, as we all know, they are the real threat. No thanks.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 01, 2015 12:18 PM (EEIG6)
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1. We had no business being in Libya
2. We did it badly.
3. We started off with a lie (no fly zone) which immediately became tactical air strikes in support of the murderous clown posse (and Brit and US assets had to go in to do call in the air strikes.
4. The benghazi mess was lies and fuck up follies from beginning to end.
2. We did it badly.
3. We started off with a lie (no fly zone) which immediately became tactical air strikes in support of the murderous clown posse (and Brit and US assets had to go in to do call in the air strikes.
4. The benghazi mess was lies and fuck up follies from beginning to end.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 01, 2015 12:18 PM (326rv)
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Khadaffi had Libya under control. And we had Khadaffi under our thumb. Taking him out was stupid. The Arab Spring was a fucking disaster.
Posted by: ThunderB at December 01, 2015 12:19 PM (zOTsN)
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I'm not really worried about the NSA knowing about someone's Albanian creamed-corn wrestling pron video collection.
Which totally isn't mine.
And it was on this hard drive when I bought it.
Besides, it's not illegal.
I'm not really worried about the NSA knowing about someone's Albanian creamed-corn wrestling pron video collection.
Which totally isn't mine.
And it was on this hard drive when I bought it.
Besides, it's not illegal.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 01, 2015 12:19 PM (gwpf+)
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It's not like they don't know who the bad guys are. And where they are. And which mosque they go to and which goatfucking imam they fellate.
All of this illegality because we won't profile the bad guys.
What's hilarious is that before we started this whole "total information awareness" campaign against our own people, we used to ... rely on our allies to do the illegal sh*t for us.
That's the dirty secret of the "Five Eyes" spy alliance of Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the UK and the US. They'd spy on our people and pass info on the nasties and we'd do the same for them.
Somewhere along the way someone decided to stop the pretense and they turned Ft Meade inward as well as outward.
All of this illegality because we won't profile the bad guys.
What's hilarious is that before we started this whole "total information awareness" campaign against our own people, we used to ... rely on our allies to do the illegal sh*t for us.
That's the dirty secret of the "Five Eyes" spy alliance of Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the UK and the US. They'd spy on our people and pass info on the nasties and we'd do the same for them.
Somewhere along the way someone decided to stop the pretense and they turned Ft Meade inward as well as outward.
Posted by: bonhomme at December 01, 2015 12:19 PM (jhqr1)
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Cruz also attacked Rubio's judgment on both Egypt and the civil war in Syria, remarking about the last, "we have no dog in that fight." I'm not really certain what Cruz means -- does he mean we did not have a dog in that fight, but do now with the rise of ISIS, or does he mean to rule out "military adventurism" there?
*****
I'm thinking he's talking about the civil war in Syria. Honestly, yeah Assad is a shithead, but the "rebels" are basically Al fricking Qaeda. It's bad versus worse and we really had no business picking a side there. ISIS is a whole other ball of wax, I think.
*****
I'm thinking he's talking about the civil war in Syria. Honestly, yeah Assad is a shithead, but the "rebels" are basically Al fricking Qaeda. It's bad versus worse and we really had no business picking a side there. ISIS is a whole other ball of wax, I think.
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at December 01, 2015 12:19 PM (KkVB6)
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Mr. Cruz, show us on this Dondi doll where the bad Rubio touched you.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 01, 2015 12:20 PM (gyKtp)
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Frankly I am all for leaving in dictators who can repress jihadis. Don't care. Democracy isn't for everybody
Posted by: ThunderB at December 01, 2015 12:17 PM (zOTsN)
Yep. As long as the dictators keep the lid on the Muslim lunatics, and don't pose a problem for us, I say leave 'em in, too. We were a lot better off with the Shah in power than the current hairballs.
Posted by: ThunderB at December 01, 2015 12:17 PM (zOTsN)
Yep. As long as the dictators keep the lid on the Muslim lunatics, and don't pose a problem for us, I say leave 'em in, too. We were a lot better off with the Shah in power than the current hairballs.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 01, 2015 12:20 PM (oKE6c)
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Lucky for Barky that Bush had invaded Iraq
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 01, 2015 12:17 PM (zc3Db)
[Pixy pre-submitted ny post ... I wasn't finished!!]
... invaded Iraq, scared the living shit out of Q'Daffy and caused him to puke up his whole nuke program (and the AQ Khan network, BTW) and get in line.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 01, 2015 12:17 PM (zc3Db)
[Pixy pre-submitted ny post ... I wasn't finished!!]
... invaded Iraq, scared the living shit out of Q'Daffy and caused him to puke up his whole nuke program (and the AQ Khan network, BTW) and get in line.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 01, 2015 12:20 PM (zc3Db)
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It's funny to watch the also-rans fight among themselves. Is Trump really going to implode that easily? Shouldn't they be going after Trump? It seems like picking up 20% of Trump's support is a bigger deal than picking up half of Rubio's support.
Posted by: bjk at December 01, 2015 12:20 PM (Qq+mk)
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I'm heavily leaning toward isolationism at this point, even though I know its not realistic.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 01, 2015 12:20 PM (39g3+)
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#We Are So Terribly Fucked.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 01, 2015 12:15 PM (LUgeY)
Thank you. A quick search failed to turn up anything useful.
Terribly or Totally depending on context.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 01, 2015 12:15 PM (LUgeY)
Thank you. A quick search failed to turn up anything useful.
Terribly or Totally depending on context.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2015 12:20 PM (+ZSW1)
49
Suddenly there seems to be piling on Rubio. I wonder why.
Posted by: booter at December 01, 2015 12:20 PM (Lg1F3)
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Why is Cruz attacking Rubio instead of the Hildebeast? Because we're still in the repub primaries. The candidates are running against each other right now.
Posted by: Soona at December 01, 2015 12:21 PM (Fmupd)
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Cruz is 100% right.
Why hath so many here forgot that Rubio is McCain Jr. on foreign policy and on illegals?
Cruz is 100% right.
Why hath so many here forgot that Rubio is McCain Jr. on foreign policy and on illegals?
Posted by: Soothsayer the autoresponsebot at December 01, 2015 12:21 PM (sixca)
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Frankly, I'm pretty cool with not losing my rights so some third-world shitholer gains a few new rights which they'll promptly discard.
Posted by: Chupacabra at December 01, 2015 12:22 PM (5npD/)
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This thing by Cruz is about the fourth or twelfth cow pie to flop. He's launched one of these issues every week for the last two months or longer.
All have the same impact when they land.
Of course, the only thing we know about Cruz is what the media reports, so that has to be factored in.
All have the same impact when they land.
Of course, the only thing we know about Cruz is what the media reports, so that has to be factored in.
Posted by: Krims Krenel at December 01, 2015 12:22 PM (PLZH5)
54
Somewhere along the way someone decided to stop the pretense and they turned Ft Meade inward as well as outward.
Posted by: bonhomme at December 01, 2015 12:19 PM (jhqr1)
Because the current regime views its enemies as internal (Tea Party), and has little to no problem with external enemies.
Posted by: bonhomme at December 01, 2015 12:19 PM (jhqr1)
Because the current regime views its enemies as internal (Tea Party), and has little to no problem with external enemies.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 01, 2015 12:22 PM (oKE6c)
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51:"Why hath so many here forgot that Rubio is McCain Jr. on foreign policy and on illegals?"
And on crossing the aisle to meet his dear friends.
And on crossing the aisle to meet his dear friends.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 01, 2015 12:22 PM (UPYPp)
56
Boy that Valerie Jarrett has really screwed up the foreign policy, national policy, and just about everything else.
Posted by: dufuss at December 01, 2015 12:22 PM (iusVd)
57
Cruz sounds right to me; Rubio is easily rolled by the loud Senate voices and he'll get us in trouble as President.
Posted by: MTF at December 01, 2015 12:22 PM (TxJGV)
58
It's funny to watch the also-rans fight among themselves.
Cruz is a serious threat to Trump, but he can do it without directly attacking the guy. All he has to do is demonstrate he's the most conservative and presidential guy in the room.
Personally I prefer GOP primary candidates show how they're the best guy to beat the Democrat, now how they're better than the other Republicans. They are running to be the one who wins against the Democrat, not the one who wins the primary.
Cruz is a serious threat to Trump, but he can do it without directly attacking the guy. All he has to do is demonstrate he's the most conservative and presidential guy in the room.
Personally I prefer GOP primary candidates show how they're the best guy to beat the Democrat, now how they're better than the other Republicans. They are running to be the one who wins against the Democrat, not the one who wins the primary.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 01, 2015 12:22 PM (39g3+)
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Khadaffi had Libya under control. And we had Khadaffi under our thumb. Taking him out was stupid. The Arab Spring was a fucking disaster.
It's worth noting that Code Pink (a TFG Joint) spent a fair amount of time in each "Arab Spring" country prior to their upheavals.
That's something I've never, ever heard on the news.
It's worth noting that Code Pink (a TFG Joint) spent a fair amount of time in each "Arab Spring" country prior to their upheavals.
That's something I've never, ever heard on the news.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 01, 2015 12:23 PM (LUgeY)
60
Everything he said is true.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at December 01, 2015 12:23 PM (iONHu)
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Posted by: Krims Krenel at December 01, 2015 12:22 PM (PLZH5)
Haven't noticed your handle here before.
Which candidate do you support?
Haven't noticed your handle here before.
Which candidate do you support?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 01, 2015 12:23 PM (No/ki)
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Cruz is polling better than he ever has. Especially since Paris. Cruz up, Rubio down. They are basically tied now
Posted by: ThunderB at December 01, 2015 12:24 PM (zOTsN)
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I'm closer to Rand Paul when it comes to getting involved in the Middle East, but both Rubio and Cruz are "super hawks" as far as I'm concerned.
It's the same with immigration, both Cruz and Rubio are functionally the same, both had plans they later ditched where most people that were here illegally got to stay and we'd issue more visas.
It's the same with immigration, both Cruz and Rubio are functionally the same, both had plans they later ditched where most people that were here illegally got to stay and we'd issue more visas.
Posted by: Coolio at December 01, 2015 12:24 PM (SfWYN)
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Because the current regime views its enemies as internal (Tea Party), and has little to no problem with external enemies.
Don't kid yourself. TIA started well before Obama.
Clinton had US spy satellites illegally trained on the US after the OK bombing. It started at least as far back as that. Maybe even before.
Don't kid yourself. TIA started well before Obama.
Clinton had US spy satellites illegally trained on the US after the OK bombing. It started at least as far back as that. Maybe even before.
Posted by: bonhomme at December 01, 2015 12:24 PM (jhqr1)
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Cruuuuuuuuuz
Posted by: Lauren at December 01, 2015 12:24 PM (Z/8dZ)
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45 Lucky for Barky that Bush had invaded Iraq
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 01, 2015 12:17 PM (zc3Db)
[Pixy pre-submitted ny post ... I wasn't finished!!]
... invaded Iraq, scared the living shit out of Q'Daffy and caused him to puke up his whole nuke program (and the AQ Khan network, BTW) and get in line.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 01, 2015 12:20 PM (zc3Db)
Well done. Few give W credit for all that, which was a considerable achievement. If Obongo had followed through, and now just pulled out on a rigid deadline, the situation now in the ME would be a hell of a lot better.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 01, 2015 12:17 PM (zc3Db)
[Pixy pre-submitted ny post ... I wasn't finished!!]
... invaded Iraq, scared the living shit out of Q'Daffy and caused him to puke up his whole nuke program (and the AQ Khan network, BTW) and get in line.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 01, 2015 12:20 PM (zc3Db)
Well done. Few give W credit for all that, which was a considerable achievement. If Obongo had followed through, and now just pulled out on a rigid deadline, the situation now in the ME would be a hell of a lot better.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 01, 2015 12:24 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at December 01, 2015 12:24 PM (mf5HN)
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Cruz is searching for a lifeline.
Nobody is taking his calls.
Posted by: Krims Krenel at December 01, 2015 12:12 PM (PLZH5)
Everything I've read and seen indicates Cruz is running one of the smartest campaigns out there. Tactics are about fighting. Strategy is about picking when and where (and in this case who) to fight. Avoiding direct confrontation with Trump and Carson while beating up on Rubio and ignoring Jeb is good strategy.
Nobody is taking his calls.
Posted by: Krims Krenel at December 01, 2015 12:12 PM (PLZH5)
Everything I've read and seen indicates Cruz is running one of the smartest campaigns out there. Tactics are about fighting. Strategy is about picking when and where (and in this case who) to fight. Avoiding direct confrontation with Trump and Carson while beating up on Rubio and ignoring Jeb is good strategy.
Posted by: troyriser at December 01, 2015 12:25 PM (WuTfJ)
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28 27 What specifically was untrue?
If Benghazi is primarily a policy failure, then the Administration
cannot be blamed for their failures in judgment prior, during, and after
the attacks. In other words, defining the failure so narrowly implies
that Benghazi was only preventable in a foreign policy sense.
If Benghazi is primarily a policy failure, then the Administration
cannot be blamed for their failures in judgment prior, during, and after
the attacks. In other words, defining the failure so narrowly implies
that Benghazi was only preventable in a foreign policy sense.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 12:25 PM (YjDyJ)
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>>Has Cruz ever explained why he voted for the Corker Iran bill? I'd like an explanation on that one.
Yes. As I have been saying since day 1 on this issue, Cruz noted that Obama was not going to take this deal to Congress and was instead going to make it a moot point by having the other world powers end the sanctions agreement. This is exactly what happened and is why every single Senator with the exception of Tom Cotton voted to try and force some public scrutiny of the deal. It didn't work but it was worth a try.
Cruz is not my first choice but I will stipulate he understand the Constitution about as well as anyone. He also is a pretty cagey political fighter and he knew would Obama was doing.
http://tinyurl.com/q3lmxk9
Yes. As I have been saying since day 1 on this issue, Cruz noted that Obama was not going to take this deal to Congress and was instead going to make it a moot point by having the other world powers end the sanctions agreement. This is exactly what happened and is why every single Senator with the exception of Tom Cotton voted to try and force some public scrutiny of the deal. It didn't work but it was worth a try.
Cruz is not my first choice but I will stipulate he understand the Constitution about as well as anyone. He also is a pretty cagey political fighter and he knew would Obama was doing.
http://tinyurl.com/q3lmxk9
Posted by: JackStraw at December 01, 2015 12:25 PM (/tuJf)
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What's hilarious is that before we started this whole "total information awareness" campaign against our own people, we used to ... rely on our allies to do the illegal sh*t for us.
Posted by: bonhomme at December 01, 2015 12:19 PM (jhqr1)
That's the premise of the current season of Homeland.
At least this season Claire Danes has stopped threatening to show her boobies without following through. I hate teases.
What's hilarious is that before we started this whole "total information awareness" campaign against our own people, we used to ... rely on our allies to do the illegal sh*t for us.
Posted by: bonhomme at December 01, 2015 12:19 PM (jhqr1)
That's the premise of the current season of Homeland.
At least this season Claire Danes has stopped threatening to show her boobies without following through. I hate teases.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 01, 2015 12:25 PM (gwpf+)
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1. We had no business being in Libya
2. We did it badly.
3. We started off with a lie (no fly zone) which immediately became tactical air strikes in support of the murderous clown posse (and Brit and US assets had to go in to do call in the air strikes.
4. The benghazi mess was lies and fuck up follies from beginning to end.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 01, 2015 12:18 PM (326rv)
^^^^^^^^^
THIS!!!!!
Libya is now Mogadishu on the Mediterranean.
2. We did it badly.
3. We started off with a lie (no fly zone) which immediately became tactical air strikes in support of the murderous clown posse (and Brit and US assets had to go in to do call in the air strikes.
4. The benghazi mess was lies and fuck up follies from beginning to end.
Posted by: Blue Hen at December 01, 2015 12:18 PM (326rv)
^^^^^^^^^
THIS!!!!!
Libya is now Mogadishu on the Mediterranean.
Posted by: NSA Apologist at December 01, 2015 12:25 PM (Ltj2h)
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The nice thing for lefties is that they thrive on human misery, so no matter how badly they mess up, it still helps them. Whether Obama intentionally destabilized the region or screwed up, it created "refugees" and thus the possibility of importing brand new Democrat voters.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 01, 2015 12:25 PM (EEIG6)
74
DiCrapio was asking for it.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 01, 2015 12:25 PM (gu+HT)
75
Yep. As long as the dictators keep the lid on the Muslim lunatics, and don't pose a problem for us, I say leave 'em in, too.
Now he tells me.
** this didn't work either in case you've forgotten 25k$/strike to Palis **
Now he tells me.
** this didn't work either in case you've forgotten 25k$/strike to Palis **
Posted by: Zombie Saddam at December 01, 2015 12:26 PM (DL2i+)
76
Paul's as thin-skinned as Obama, I'd rather not have another four to eight years of that.
Posted by: Chupacabra at December 01, 2015 12:26 PM (5npD/)
77
We need a ruthless fuck
Posted by: ThunderB at December 01, 2015 12:26 PM (zOTsN)
78
re 45: the fact that Khaddafi was generally cooperating with the US after 2003 is reason enough for the progs to have wanted him out. Pandemonium (yaaay) ensuing was an added bonus because they could always blame Bush.
Posted by: Satan of Cloggenstein Vt at December 01, 2015 12:26 PM (qSIlh)
79
People don't seem to recall that the Bush doctrine was working in the Middle East. It was settling down, it was becoming more peaceful and democratic... until the left went berserk and betrayed us all, treasonously giving our enemies hope and morale to fight back.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 01, 2015 12:26 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 01, 2015 12:26 PM (gf8BH)
81
Boring, bad speaker, insipid Obama got the kind of crowds Trump is pulling and everyone keeps saying he will implode. It takes a certain level of commitment to attend a rally for a candidate. His support is not going anywhere. Trump is going to win the nomination.
Posted by: L, Elle at December 01, 2015 12:27 PM (2x3L+)
82
I take Cruz' point on the stupid intervention in Libya, although Benghazi being a direct result of it is Paultard logic. "If we had done nothing, nothing would have happened."
The problem with Benghazi is not that there was an attack but that
(a) the consulate was not prepared to defend itself because of dumb RoE and
(b) when there was an opportunity for rescue, they were told to stand down.
I thought the Libya intervention was exceedingly dumb. All of the Lefty Iraq war comments are actually true when it comes to Libya. Saddam was strutting around the Middle East after 9-11, funding terrorism and giving the middle finger to the inspection regime. Plus, we were technically at war with Iraq and they had violated several UN resolutions.
But in Libya Qaddafi was cowed and could be made to do anything. The problem was that he was too cowed and losing control.
If you remember, the reason for the Libya intervention was that Europe was afraid of a ... wait for it ... refugee crisis. And the reason the US had to get involved was that Europe couldn't do squat about it.
Here's one such column: http://tinyurl.com/path6pl
(Of course, they blame "colonialism" in the way a middle-aged person might blame toilet training.)
The problem with Benghazi is not that there was an attack but that
(a) the consulate was not prepared to defend itself because of dumb RoE and
(b) when there was an opportunity for rescue, they were told to stand down.
I thought the Libya intervention was exceedingly dumb. All of the Lefty Iraq war comments are actually true when it comes to Libya. Saddam was strutting around the Middle East after 9-11, funding terrorism and giving the middle finger to the inspection regime. Plus, we were technically at war with Iraq and they had violated several UN resolutions.
But in Libya Qaddafi was cowed and could be made to do anything. The problem was that he was too cowed and losing control.
If you remember, the reason for the Libya intervention was that Europe was afraid of a ... wait for it ... refugee crisis. And the reason the US had to get involved was that Europe couldn't do squat about it.
Here's one such column: http://tinyurl.com/path6pl
(Of course, they blame "colonialism" in the way a middle-aged person might blame toilet training.)
Posted by: AmishDude at December 01, 2015 12:27 PM (Xd2w5)
83
That's the premise of the current season of Homeland.
I don't watch, which part is the premise? Relying on allies to spy on our people?
I don't watch, which part is the premise? Relying on allies to spy on our people?
Posted by: bonhomme at December 01, 2015 12:27 PM (jhqr1)
84
rubio has been a complete tool in the Senate, when he shows up at all, and cruz didn't say anything false.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 01, 2015 12:27 PM (krApV)
85
Miss 80s you are deliberately ignoring Cruz's other statements on Benghazi. Come on
Posted by: ThunderB at December 01, 2015 12:27 PM (zOTsN)
86
As far as Libya, Tripoli should have been bombed into the stone age the day that Al Megrahi landed there. That would have been perfectly appropriate. Of course, Barky was complicit on releasing that despicable lowlife so he could never bomb his own act of treason. And no one in Congress had anything to say about that particular act of treason by Barky.
Yes ... yes ... I know the "Brits" (or "Scots") let Al-Megrahi free ... but there's no way in hell that they did that without informing and getting an okay from Barky. No friggin way.
Anyway, THAT was the time to bomb Libya, not when the French decided they needed to help Total and were too weak and pussified to be able to do anything on their own, and when that interest just happened to dovetail nicely with Barky's support of pan-islamism taking over the arab world.
Yes ... yes ... I know the "Brits" (or "Scots") let Al-Megrahi free ... but there's no way in hell that they did that without informing and getting an okay from Barky. No friggin way.
Anyway, THAT was the time to bomb Libya, not when the French decided they needed to help Total and were too weak and pussified to be able to do anything on their own, and when that interest just happened to dovetail nicely with Barky's support of pan-islamism taking over the arab world.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 01, 2015 12:28 PM (zc3Db)
87
"Haven't noticed your handle here before.
Which candidate do you support?"
The candidate that promises to decimate the Federal Bureaucracy, and makes me believe it.
Which candidate do you support?"
The candidate that promises to decimate the Federal Bureaucracy, and makes me believe it.
Posted by: Forty Second Runner up in the Sock Puppet Contest at December 01, 2015 12:28 PM (PLZH5)
88
75 Yep. As long as the dictators keep the lid on the Muslim lunatics, and don't pose a problem for us, I say leave 'em in, too.
Now he tells me.
** this didn't work either in case you've forgotten 25k$/strike to Palis **
Posted by: Zombie Saddam at December 01, 2015 12:26 PM (DL2i+)
I did specify "don't pose a problem for us." Developing WMD (doesn't have to be nukes; biological or even chemical weapons will do nicely) and giving them to AQ (plausible deniability) was an obvious route for Saddam to go.
Now he tells me.
** this didn't work either in case you've forgotten 25k$/strike to Palis **
Posted by: Zombie Saddam at December 01, 2015 12:26 PM (DL2i+)
I did specify "don't pose a problem for us." Developing WMD (doesn't have to be nukes; biological or even chemical weapons will do nicely) and giving them to AQ (plausible deniability) was an obvious route for Saddam to go.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 01, 2015 12:28 PM (oKE6c)
89
Trump is going to win the nomination.
Perhaps, If the Party doesn't find some way to torpedo him first or have a brokered convention.
Perhaps, If the Party doesn't find some way to torpedo him first or have a brokered convention.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 01, 2015 12:28 PM (No/ki)
90
45 Lucky for Barky that Bush had invaded Iraq
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 01, 2015 12:17 PM (zc3Db)
[Pixy pre-submitted ny post ... I wasn't finished!!]
... invaded Iraq, scared the living shit out of Q'Daffy and caused him to puke up his whole nuke program (and the AQ Khan network, BTW) and get in line.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 01, 2015 12:20 PM (zc3Db)
^^^^^
Which was promptly FUBARd by Obama when he insisted on ousting Qaddafi. Which, of course was instigated and supported by McVain and his asshole crew, including my
Senator, Rubio. Between pulling out of Iraq too early and supporting all these uprisings, they've managed to totally eff up the Middle East worse than it was to start with, which then left that nice vacuum ISIS was so happy to fill.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 01, 2015 12:17 PM (zc3Db)
[Pixy pre-submitted ny post ... I wasn't finished!!]
... invaded Iraq, scared the living shit out of Q'Daffy and caused him to puke up his whole nuke program (and the AQ Khan network, BTW) and get in line.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 01, 2015 12:20 PM (zc3Db)
^^^^^
Which was promptly FUBARd by Obama when he insisted on ousting Qaddafi. Which, of course was instigated and supported by McVain and his asshole crew, including my
Senator, Rubio. Between pulling out of Iraq too early and supporting all these uprisings, they've managed to totally eff up the Middle East worse than it was to start with, which then left that nice vacuum ISIS was so happy to fill.
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at December 01, 2015 12:28 PM (KkVB6)
91
Decimate X 5.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 01, 2015 12:29 PM (gu+HT)
92
That absurd Cairo speech and getting rid of Qaddafi, along with lionizing the uprising in Tunisia was the beginning of the end... Thanks Fredo..and the twin idiots , the senile old bastard from AZ and the effeminate one from SC
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 01, 2015 12:29 PM (gf8BH)
93
The candidate that promises to decimate the Federal Bureaucracy, and makes me believe it.
Which one is that?
Which one is that?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 01, 2015 12:29 PM (No/ki)
94
Apparently the Global Warming is particularly lethal in Juneau today.
Also, they have a completely non-partisan city government. No parties at all.
A guy could die a week after being elected mayor, and you'd never know R or D.
Thinking D, though.
Also, they have a completely non-partisan city government. No parties at all.
A guy could die a week after being elected mayor, and you'd never know R or D.
Thinking D, though.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 01, 2015 12:29 PM (xq1UY)
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Which was promptly FUBARd by Obama when he insisted on ousting Qaddafi. Which, of course was instigated and supported by McVain and his asshole crew, including my
Senator, Rubio. Between pulling out of Iraq too early and supporting all these uprisings, they've managed to totally eff up the Middle East worse than it was to start with, which then left that nice vacuum ISIS was so happy to fill.
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at December 01, 2015 12:28 PM (KkVB6)
exactly
Senator, Rubio. Between pulling out of Iraq too early and supporting all these uprisings, they've managed to totally eff up the Middle East worse than it was to start with, which then left that nice vacuum ISIS was so happy to fill.
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at December 01, 2015 12:28 PM (KkVB6)
exactly
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 01, 2015 12:29 PM (gf8BH)
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>>>> Posted by: JackStraw at December 01, 2015 12:25 PM
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Thanks, JackStraw for that answer. It makes much more sense to me now.
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Thanks, JackStraw for that answer. It makes much more sense to me now.
Posted by: L, Elle at December 01, 2015 12:30 PM (2x3L+)
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79 People don't seem to recall that the Bush doctrine was working in the Middle East. It was settling down, it was becoming more peaceful and democratic... until the left went berserk and betrayed us all, treasonously giving our enemies hope and morale to fight back.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 01, 2015 12:26 PM (39g3+)
First time for everything.
Recreate '68?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 01, 2015 12:26 PM (39g3+)
First time for everything.
Recreate '68?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 01, 2015 12:30 PM (oKE6c)
98
Carthago delenda est.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 01, 2015 12:30 PM (gu+HT)
99
69:"If Benghazi is primarily a policy failure, then the Administration
cannot be blamed for their failures in judgment prior, during, and after
the attacks.'
I would disagree with that supposition. If policy is the primary factor in a bad event, the preceding and following errors do not take away the primacy of bad policy.
It does not follow that TFG and crew would be blameless for other bad actions that were lesser in scope, if not egregiousness, than the primary fault.
I would simply take Cruz's statement to be that the Benghazi fiasco would not have happened had the policy of removing Qadaffi not been pushed.
cannot be blamed for their failures in judgment prior, during, and after
the attacks.'
I would disagree with that supposition. If policy is the primary factor in a bad event, the preceding and following errors do not take away the primacy of bad policy.
It does not follow that TFG and crew would be blameless for other bad actions that were lesser in scope, if not egregiousness, than the primary fault.
I would simply take Cruz's statement to be that the Benghazi fiasco would not have happened had the policy of removing Qadaffi not been pushed.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at December 01, 2015 12:30 PM (UPYPp)
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39 Khadaffi had Libya under control. And we had Khadaffi under our thumb. Taking him out was stupid. The Arab Spring was a fucking disaster.
I completely agree with that, but what about the long list of things the Administration did wrong that could have prevented the attacks? In other words, it is fair to question Rubio's judgment regarding the removal of Qaddafi but it is not fair to blame him for the lack of security at the compound, the failure to protect our personnel, etc.
I completely agree with that, but what about the long list of things the Administration did wrong that could have prevented the attacks? In other words, it is fair to question Rubio's judgment regarding the removal of Qaddafi but it is not fair to blame him for the lack of security at the compound, the failure to protect our personnel, etc.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 12:30 PM (YjDyJ)
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46 It's funny to watch the also-rans fight among themselves. Is Trump really going to implode that easily? Shouldn't they be going after Trump?
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Good question. I saw somewhere recently that Trumps is supported by moderate GOP and crossover Democrat voters. Reagan Democrats.
How many of those will actually vote in a GOP primary? Probably a lot of those Democrats won't change their party registration in time to do it, though undeclared/indie voters are allowed to vote on the GOP primary. I kind of wonder if Trump won't be less of a primary factor than he would be as a general election factor.
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Good question. I saw somewhere recently that Trumps is supported by moderate GOP and crossover Democrat voters. Reagan Democrats.
How many of those will actually vote in a GOP primary? Probably a lot of those Democrats won't change their party registration in time to do it, though undeclared/indie voters are allowed to vote on the GOP primary. I kind of wonder if Trump won't be less of a primary factor than he would be as a general election factor.
Posted by: MTF at December 01, 2015 12:30 PM (TxJGV)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 01, 2015 12:31 PM (FkBIv)
103
Incidentally, illegal immigrants are suing Oregon because a ballot measure to allow illegals to get driver's licenses failed to pass.
Now, putting aside how this just shows how "in the shadows" illegals are: clearly they do not fear deportation or even being identified, but there's another problem.
But how did these guys get standing? They're citizens of another country entirely, not to mention felons.
Now, putting aside how this just shows how "in the shadows" illegals are: clearly they do not fear deportation or even being identified, but there's another problem.
But how did these guys get standing? They're citizens of another country entirely, not to mention felons.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 01, 2015 12:31 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Forty Second Runner up in the Sock Puppet Contest at December 01, 2015 12:31 PM (PLZH5)
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Ladies and gentlemen, once again Miss80's would like us to believe that Republicans are hapless dupes in the evil machinations of the Democrat party.
I ask you fine people, once again, to reject this defense because we all know the Republicans are fully complicit. Thank you.
Ladies and gentlemen, once again Miss80's would like us to believe that Republicans are hapless dupes in the evil machinations of the Democrat party.
I ask you fine people, once again, to reject this defense because we all know the Republicans are fully complicit. Thank you.
Posted by: Soothsayer the autoresponsebot at December 01, 2015 12:31 PM (sixca)
106
Is Perot still alive?
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 01, 2015 12:31 PM (gu+HT)
107
"Here is the simple and undeniable fact: the overwhelming majority of violent criminals are Democrats," Cruz said. "The media doesn't report that."
That oughta stir up a shitstorm or two.
Because it is true.
That oughta stir up a shitstorm or two.
Because it is true.
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 01, 2015 12:31 PM (gyKtp)
108
That's the premise of the current season of Homeland.
I don't watch, which part is the premise? Relying on allies to spy on our people?
Posted by: bonhomme at December 01, 2015 12:27 PM (jhqr1)
Yup. The Kraut BND is exposed for conducting surveillance for the CIA in violation of both country's laws. The exposure is via the CIA getting hacked by a couple of guys who run a pron webcam site.
That's the premise of the current season of Homeland.
I don't watch, which part is the premise? Relying on allies to spy on our people?
Posted by: bonhomme at December 01, 2015 12:27 PM (jhqr1)
Yup. The Kraut BND is exposed for conducting surveillance for the CIA in violation of both country's laws. The exposure is via the CIA getting hacked by a couple of guys who run a pron webcam site.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 01, 2015 12:32 PM (gwpf+)
109
So who's going to be the first one to bitch slap Kim in N. Korea? This guy will surely provide Iran with whatever they want just to see the mushroom cloud.
Posted by: dufuss at December 01, 2015 12:32 PM (iusVd)
110
I also like Cruz going after the stupid War on Women thing by joking about the fact that the idiot left thinks we're the condom police.
Posted by: Lauren at December 01, 2015 12:32 PM (Z/8dZ)
111
Again Miss 80s this is not Cruz's only statement on Benghazi and the many issues from it. You know that. Come on
Posted by: ThunderB at December 01, 2015 12:32 PM (zOTsN)
112
OT: HA has a link to an excellent Mickey Kaus column in which he tries to figure out just why the GOP seems so intent on pushing a self-destructive immigration policy. The best he can come up with seems to be that they're really not very bright or honest, or something.
I've wondered the same thing many times.
I've wondered the same thing many times.
Posted by: pep at December 01, 2015 12:33 PM (GMG6W)
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49 Suddenly there seems to be piling on Rubio. I wonder why.
Posted by: booter at December 01, 2015 12:20 PM (Lg1F3)
Because Cruz is paying us all off. We're also getting all kinds of dosh from the Koch brothers, the Illuminati and the tooth fairy.
Posted by: booter at December 01, 2015 12:20 PM (Lg1F3)
Because Cruz is paying us all off. We're also getting all kinds of dosh from the Koch brothers, the Illuminati and the tooth fairy.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 01, 2015 12:33 PM (kpqmD)
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I take Cruz' point on the stupid intervention in Libya, although Benghazi being a direct result of it is Paultard logic. "If we had done nothing, nothing would have happened."
The problem with Benghazi is not that there was an attack but that
(a) the consulate was not prepared to defend itself because of dumb RoE and
(b) when there was an opportunity for rescue, they were told to stand down.
Posted by: AmishDude
And don't forget Hillary lying her ass off about it being a youTube video and having the guy arrested for being anti-Muslim
The fact Benghazi was attacked is not the scandal, it was our response to the attack and the aftermath
The problem with Benghazi is not that there was an attack but that
(a) the consulate was not prepared to defend itself because of dumb RoE and
(b) when there was an opportunity for rescue, they were told to stand down.
Posted by: AmishDude
And don't forget Hillary lying her ass off about it being a youTube video and having the guy arrested for being anti-Muslim
The fact Benghazi was attacked is not the scandal, it was our response to the attack and the aftermath
Posted by: Coolio at December 01, 2015 12:33 PM (SfWYN)
115
Hey Boo Boo.
Posted by: Leonardo DiCrappio at December 01, 2015 12:33 PM (gu+HT)
116
As I predicted and foretold (as usual), Republicans in states are already working hard to keep Trump off the ballot.
And if that doesn't work, the Republican convention delegates will screw over Trump.
Trump will never get the R nomination.
As I predicted and foretold (as usual), Republicans in states are already working hard to keep Trump off the ballot.
And if that doesn't work, the Republican convention delegates will screw over Trump.
Trump will never get the R nomination.
Posted by: Soothsayer the autoresponsebot at December 01, 2015 12:34 PM (sixca)
117
We was bought off by Big Foot.
Posted by: Leonardo DiCrappio at December 01, 2015 12:34 PM (gu+HT)
118
So who's going to be the first one to bitch slap Kim in N. Korea? This guy will surely provide Iran with whatever they want just to see the mushroom cloud.
Posted by: dufuss at December 01, 2015 12:32 PM (iusVd)
They are3 working very closely together just like they were with Assad in Syria before Israel put an end to that. Ignore North Korea and we will all be sorry and we all will be sorry
Posted by: dufuss at December 01, 2015 12:32 PM (iusVd)
They are3 working very closely together just like they were with Assad in Syria before Israel put an end to that. Ignore North Korea and we will all be sorry and we all will be sorry
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 01, 2015 12:34 PM (gf8BH)
119
Miss 80s why do you prefer Rubio over Cruz?
Posted by: ThunderB at December 01, 2015 12:34 PM (zOTsN)
120
Trump is demanding CNN fork over $5, 000, 000 to charity or he's not going to show at the next debate.
Never boring that guy.
Never boring that guy.
Posted by: free range jihadist at December 01, 2015 12:34 PM (7v/r5)
121
So the Rubio voters are more hard core than the Trump voters? I suspect it's the other way around. Thousands will show up to hear Trump speak. Dozens will show up to hear little Marco talk about his immigrant parents, who came to this country with nothing, and with nothing but the American dream . . . wait, did you say somebody was actually going to give a crap about the Rubio campaign? Yeah, that person doesn't exist.
Posted by: bjk at December 01, 2015 12:35 PM (Qq+mk)
122
When Libya had a stable government, those embassy buildings didn't *need* extra costly security measures.
Did Rubio ever stop to think - yeah, I'll be helping to make a war zone of the Barbary Coast, so here's my plan to alleviate all that? Or was he too busy slapping backs with McCain and Graham?
Did Rubio ever stop to think - yeah, I'll be helping to make a war zone of the Barbary Coast, so here's my plan to alleviate all that? Or was he too busy slapping backs with McCain and Graham?
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 01, 2015 12:35 PM (osgDO)
123
not losing my rights so some third-world shitholer gains a few new rights which they'll promptly discard.
>>and with not having my son get killed in that sh*thole so that the Sh*tholers get a few new rights which they'll promptly discard ( while dragging their 'women' around by the hair when they neglect to wear a burk-a burk-a )
>>and with not having my son get killed in that sh*thole so that the Sh*tholers get a few new rights which they'll promptly discard ( while dragging their 'women' around by the hair when they neglect to wear a burk-a burk-a )
Posted by: Lou Reed, life coach to the stars at December 01, 2015 12:35 PM (8CdUx)
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85 Miss 80s you are deliberately ignoring Cruz's other statements on Benghazi. Come on
You can indirectly imply things without necessarily meaning to do so. Again, I agree with Cruz as far as Qaddafi is concerned but I feel this line of attack transfers some of the blame from the Administration to Republicans. So no, he did not directly say that but he accidentally implied it.
You can indirectly imply things without necessarily meaning to do so. Again, I agree with Cruz as far as Qaddafi is concerned but I feel this line of attack transfers some of the blame from the Administration to Republicans. So no, he did not directly say that but he accidentally implied it.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 12:35 PM (YjDyJ)
125
Trump fired CNN.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 01, 2015 12:35 PM (gu+HT)
126
111 Again Miss 80s this is not Cruz's only statement on Benghazi and the many issues from it. You know that. Come on
Posted by: ThunderB at December 01, 2015 12:32 PM (zOTsN)
Forget it, she's (t)rolling.
Posted by: ThunderB at December 01, 2015 12:32 PM (zOTsN)
Forget it, she's (t)rolling.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 01, 2015 12:35 PM (kpqmD)
Posted by: Soothsayer the autoresponsebot at December 01, 2015 12:35 PM (sixca)
128
The fact Benghazi was attacked is not the scandal, it was our response to the attack and the aftermath
Posted by: Coolio at December 01, 2015 12:33 PM (SfWYN)
And the fact that Fredo was gun running guns and other weapons to the "Rebels" in Syria
Posted by: Coolio at December 01, 2015 12:33 PM (SfWYN)
And the fact that Fredo was gun running guns and other weapons to the "Rebels" in Syria
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 01, 2015 12:35 PM (gf8BH)
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re 79 CT: any prog can tell you that Bush's policies were doomed DOOMED to fail and Bush left such a mess that even Obama the Wise and and Hillary the Thighs couldn't fix it.
See? Thanks to Bush, people don't blame me for everything the way they used to.
PS -- Robert Byrd screamed 'Hi', too. It's amazing where you can fit a burning cross, ain't it?
See? Thanks to Bush, people don't blame me for everything the way they used to.
PS -- Robert Byrd screamed 'Hi', too. It's amazing where you can fit a burning cross, ain't it?
Posted by: Satan of Cloggenstein Vt at December 01, 2015 12:36 PM (qSIlh)
130
I think there is a split of interventionist/big government vs less interventionist/ small government
Rubio vs Cruz
Rubio vs Cruz
Posted by: ThunderB at December 01, 2015 12:36 PM (zOTsN)
131
But how did these guys get standing? They're citizens of another country entirely, not to mention felons.
Standing seems to be a HUGE thumb on the scales of justice. You have a case against the gov't that will probably cause huge blowback against a leftist program?
*waves magic wand*
No standing. Problem goes away.
Standing seems to be a HUGE thumb on the scales of justice. You have a case against the gov't that will probably cause huge blowback against a leftist program?
*waves magic wand*
No standing. Problem goes away.
Posted by: bonhomme at December 01, 2015 12:36 PM (jhqr1)
Posted by: Lou Reed, life coach to the stars at December 01, 2015 12:36 PM (8CdUx)
133
McCain's bestest buds in Syria have been having a rough couple of weeks.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 01, 2015 12:37 PM (gu+HT)
134
Shit, the Koch Bros *and* the Illuminati? All I got was this measly Zionist cheque
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 01, 2015 12:37 PM (osgDO)
135
"So no, he did not directly say that but he accidentally implied it. "
Cruz doesn't accidentally imply anything.
Cruz doesn't accidentally imply anything.
Posted by: Lauren at December 01, 2015 12:37 PM (Z/8dZ)
136
Trump is going to win the nomination.
Perhaps, If the Party doesn't find some way to torpedo him first or have a brokered convention.Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 01, 2015 12:28 PM (No/ki)
It isn't just the GOP Establishment that dislikes Trump. I can't stand Trump. Just loathe him. Find it hard to believe so many people are buying into his bullshit.
As GOP primary candidates drop out, support will coalesce around the candidate most likely to beat that raving asshole for the nomination. I'm hoping it's Fiorina but think the name recognition hurdle she faces is simply too great to overcome. I'm thinking it'll come to down to Cruz or Rubio. I'm guessing Cruz and Rubio think so, too.
Perhaps, If the Party doesn't find some way to torpedo him first or have a brokered convention.Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 01, 2015 12:28 PM (No/ki)
It isn't just the GOP Establishment that dislikes Trump. I can't stand Trump. Just loathe him. Find it hard to believe so many people are buying into his bullshit.
As GOP primary candidates drop out, support will coalesce around the candidate most likely to beat that raving asshole for the nomination. I'm hoping it's Fiorina but think the name recognition hurdle she faces is simply too great to overcome. I'm thinking it'll come to down to Cruz or Rubio. I'm guessing Cruz and Rubio think so, too.
Posted by: troyriser at December 01, 2015 12:37 PM (UWlp+)
137
So, is it true? Is Ace a world expert in bear rape???
So, is it true? Is Ace a world expert in bear rape???
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 01, 2015 12:38 PM (iQIUe)
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OT I am trying to review American Wife but I keep pausing for tissue breaks.
Posted by: @votermom at December 01, 2015 12:38 PM (cbfNE)
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re 120: let CNN save their pennies, FOX should have the rest of the debate. There's a difference between being adversarial and being hostile.
Posted by: Satan of Cloggenstein Vt at December 01, 2015 12:38 PM (qSIlh)
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Vlad Tepich 2016.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 01, 2015 12:38 PM (gu+HT)
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And if that doesn't work, the Republican convention delegates will screw over Trump.
Trump will never get the R nomination.
And the R's will never again get my vote.
Trump will never get the R nomination.
And the R's will never again get my vote.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2015 12:38 PM (+ZSW1)
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Hillary Clinton on Gaddafi: We came, we saw, he died
https://youtu.be/Fgcd1ghag5Y
Hillary is the dog in the fight.
https://youtu.be/Fgcd1ghag5Y
Hillary is the dog in the fight.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 01, 2015 12:39 PM (FkBIv)
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Aren't these murderous Jihadi pigdogs communication thru their encrypted game boxes? How's that working out for the NSA?
Posted by: Fritz at December 01, 2015 12:39 PM (UzPAd)
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As someone remarked on this site a few months ago, Muslim cultures tend to be brutal. Leftists wring their hands about how brutal the Shah's regime was, but overlook the fact that the replacement was even worse. We should have learned from Bush toppling Saddam that a simple regime change is worthless. Simply pointing out how mean Assad, Mubarak and Qaddafi are leaves out half the equation.
I can understand the liberal desire to solve the problem of human rights issues, but if both sides are incorrigible sociopaths, perhaps you need to reconcile yourself to the fact that a perfect solution may be impossible. Certainly exporting the problem to other nations is uncalled for.
I can understand the liberal desire to solve the problem of human rights issues, but if both sides are incorrigible sociopaths, perhaps you need to reconcile yourself to the fact that a perfect solution may be impossible. Certainly exporting the problem to other nations is uncalled for.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 01, 2015 12:39 PM (EEIG6)
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Miss 80s it seems you are interventionist big government and nothing Cruz would ever say would earn your support
He has made many many statements on Benghazi, for literally years, saying all the things you are insisting he say
It isn't this statement that bothers you. At all.
It's Cruz. You want Rubio or Bush and the status quo
He has made many many statements on Benghazi, for literally years, saying all the things you are insisting he say
It isn't this statement that bothers you. At all.
It's Cruz. You want Rubio or Bush and the status quo
Posted by: ThunderB at December 01, 2015 12:39 PM (zOTsN)
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In Syria? He is correct... we have no one to support, except for the Kurds, which we cannot support without kicking Turkey out of NATO.
Tell Putin he can have it, BUT, we will hold HIM accountable for his satellite States actions.
ie... put an adult in charge... just not us... let it be HIS headache...
Tell Putin he can have it, BUT, we will hold HIM accountable for his satellite States actions.
ie... put an adult in charge... just not us... let it be HIS headache...
Posted by: BB Wolf at December 01, 2015 12:39 PM (qh617)
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>>>>> Trump will never get the R nomination
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So, if that winds up being true, who gets the nomination then? And what will Trump do if he is denied it by scheming and changing rules at the state level? He will sue the hell out of any state that is actively trying to keep him off the ballot. They will fold. They're all scared of him.
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So, if that winds up being true, who gets the nomination then? And what will Trump do if he is denied it by scheming and changing rules at the state level? He will sue the hell out of any state that is actively trying to keep him off the ballot. They will fold. They're all scared of him.
Posted by: L, Elle at December 01, 2015 12:40 PM (2x3L+)
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Eh, I think we (by we, I mean me) tend to forget that a large portion of the Republican votership is just as stupid and lazy as the Dem's.
That's why Cruz is fighting an uphill battle: because he talks like a fag and his shit's all retarded.
Though, at this point, he's probably my guy.
That's why Cruz is fighting an uphill battle: because he talks like a fag and his shit's all retarded.
Though, at this point, he's probably my guy.
Posted by: Chupacabra at December 01, 2015 12:40 PM (5npD/)
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The Drudge headline on "bear raped DiCaprio" sounds like somebody went and made Manbearpig: The Movie.
Posted by: wooga at December 01, 2015 12:40 PM (zqXcl)
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You can indirectly imply things without necessarily meaning to do so. Again, I agree with Cruz as far as Qaddafi is concerned but I feel this line of attack transfers some of the blame from the Administration to Republicans. So no, he did not directly say that but he accidentally implied it.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby
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I actually agree with Cruz more on the arguments he's making for foreign policy but I definitely think trying to tie Rubio to Benghazi is beyond low, and not helpful to any Republicans running if Hillary can run with this.
Cruz started his campaign as the "super duper hawk" because he thought it was going to be between him and Rand Paul and wanted to pit that wing against the Paul wing, but now he's switched gears since Rand is no longer a factor to being the "non-interventionist" candidate.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby
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I actually agree with Cruz more on the arguments he's making for foreign policy but I definitely think trying to tie Rubio to Benghazi is beyond low, and not helpful to any Republicans running if Hillary can run with this.
Cruz started his campaign as the "super duper hawk" because he thought it was going to be between him and Rand Paul and wanted to pit that wing against the Paul wing, but now he's switched gears since Rand is no longer a factor to being the "non-interventionist" candidate.
Posted by: Coolio at December 01, 2015 12:40 PM (SfWYN)
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Matt can't find a picture?
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 01, 2015 12:41 PM (gu+HT)
Posted by: L, Elle at December 01, 2015 12:41 PM (2x3L+)
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DiCaprio and Dennis Miller should compare notes.
Posted by: bananaDream at December 01, 2015 12:41 PM (vLk7c)
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If the GOP give the nom to someone else despite Trump winning the primaries, I hope he runs 3rd party. I'd vote for him even if it means the Dems winning.
Posted by: @votermom at December 01, 2015 12:41 PM (cbfNE)
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It's Cruz. You want Rubio or Bush and the status quo
Posted by: ThunderB at December 01, 2015 12:39 PM (zOTsN)
Rubio is one of the gang of 8 and that is ALL you really need to know.
Posted by: ThunderB at December 01, 2015 12:39 PM (zOTsN)
Rubio is one of the gang of 8 and that is ALL you really need to know.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 01, 2015 12:41 PM (gf8BH)
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I remember when Miss Marple was here. She didn't like the tone of some of the comments and posts. The Dennis Miller Meets The Bear post was what I used to explain to her that, well, Ace's place has *always* been like this.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 01, 2015 12:41 PM (osgDO)
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But how did these guys get standing? They're citizens of another country entirely, not to mention felons.
Because shut up, that's why.
Because shut up, that's why.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 01, 2015 12:41 PM (LUgeY)
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Aren't these murderous Jihadi pigdogs communication thru their encrypted game boxes? How's that working out for the NSA?Posted by: Fritz at December 01, 2015 12:39 PM
Rick Perry just called. Wants to eliminate them. Some other agencies too, but he forgot them already.
Rick Perry just called. Wants to eliminate them. Some other agencies too, but he forgot them already.
Posted by: free range jihadist at December 01, 2015 12:41 PM (7v/r5)
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Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 01, 2015 12:39 PM (EEIG6)
the key take away... that no one learns...
You cannot have a stable Islamic Democracy.
Even Turkey, which was pointed out as an example of how one could work, had to have its military intervene in politics a number of times ...
the key take away... that no one learns...
You cannot have a stable Islamic Democracy.
Even Turkey, which was pointed out as an example of how one could work, had to have its military intervene in politics a number of times ...
Posted by: BB Wolf at December 01, 2015 12:41 PM (qh617)
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I think the GOPe will do everything they can to stop Trump but I'm not sure it will be enough. Honestly a raving jerk as president in the next term wouldn't be a bad thing. And as awful as I expect things to get, I don't mind it begin someone I don't care for in there to eat it.
For all his very, very many faults, Trump doesn't seem like the kind that would use a crisis or collapse as an excuse to become a tyrant. Hillary on the other hand...
For all his very, very many faults, Trump doesn't seem like the kind that would use a crisis or collapse as an excuse to become a tyrant. Hillary on the other hand...
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 01, 2015 12:42 PM (39g3+)
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>>13 Cruz won't really to set foreign policy as VP, unless he's Cheney Mark II
Posted by: @votermom at December 01, 2015 12:11 PM (cbfNE)
You know, reading this I'm thinking of trump/Cruz in the mold of celebrity apprentice....Cruz knows things trump doesn't. Maybe it would be more of partnership if they ran things together? Maybe trump would be smart enough to listen to a smart person like Cruz. Who knows?
Posted by: @votermom at December 01, 2015 12:11 PM (cbfNE)
You know, reading this I'm thinking of trump/Cruz in the mold of celebrity apprentice....Cruz knows things trump doesn't. Maybe it would be more of partnership if they ran things together? Maybe trump would be smart enough to listen to a smart person like Cruz. Who knows?
Posted by: Lea at December 01, 2015 12:42 PM (oyxHF)
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138 OT I am trying to review American Wife but I keep pausing for tissue breaks.
Posted by: @votermom at December 01, 2015 12:38 PM (cbfNE)
And of course I expect a full book report in time for the Sunday book thread.
Posted by: @votermom at December 01, 2015 12:38 PM (cbfNE)
And of course I expect a full book report in time for the Sunday book thread.
Posted by: OregonMuse at December 01, 2015 12:42 PM (Zmat4)
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Anyway at this point I'm considering voting for the bear.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at December 01, 2015 12:42 PM (osgDO)
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105 I ask you fine people, once again, to reject this defense because we all know the Republicans are fully complicit. Thank you.
Again, why are we blaming the Republican Party for the specific failures of Hillary Clinton and the SCOAMF, among others? Is Rubio responsible for the lack of security at the compound? Or the refusal to listen to the concerns of the personnel on the ground? What about our response to the attack itself? Or blaming the many failures of that night and the many months prior on an unrelated video? I understand you dislike the Republican Party immensely but shifting blame from this Administration to other Republicans is unfair, irresponsible, and unwise.
Again, why are we blaming the Republican Party for the specific failures of Hillary Clinton and the SCOAMF, among others? Is Rubio responsible for the lack of security at the compound? Or the refusal to listen to the concerns of the personnel on the ground? What about our response to the attack itself? Or blaming the many failures of that night and the many months prior on an unrelated video? I understand you dislike the Republican Party immensely but shifting blame from this Administration to other Republicans is unfair, irresponsible, and unwise.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 12:43 PM (YjDyJ)
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The NSA is going to collect data. Google is going to collect data. Verizon is going to collect data. I hate it, I tape my laptop's camera and I know my phone is listening, looking, and always letting The Big They know where I am, but that bird has flown.
It goes hand in hand with technology. Socialized everything doesn't have to. Obamacare and student loans and taxes are the battle to be fought right now.
It goes hand in hand with technology. Socialized everything doesn't have to. Obamacare and student loans and taxes are the battle to be fought right now.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 01, 2015 12:43 PM (FfVIs)
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Turkey keeps assassinating opposition party candidates. NATO and the WARSAW Pact should divide occupied Constantinople in two.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 01, 2015 12:43 PM (gu+HT)
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Anybody who won't agree to build a fence on the southern border is soft on security.
First secure our own borders and be assured we know who's coming in and where they're supposed to be.
If we can't do that then we have no business messing around anywhere else until it's done.
Then we can think about stepping in elsewhere.
Erdogan's got the right idea; don't be telling someone what to do when you've got problems in your own back yard that you aren't fixing.
First secure our own borders and be assured we know who's coming in and where they're supposed to be.
If we can't do that then we have no business messing around anywhere else until it's done.
Then we can think about stepping in elsewhere.
Erdogan's got the right idea; don't be telling someone what to do when you've got problems in your own back yard that you aren't fixing.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 01, 2015 12:44 PM (Xo1Rt)
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You know the way it worked out, Leo probably instigated it and then provided affirmative feedback the whole time and only later after talking with friends filed a rape report.
Probably even texted the bear the next day: "miss u <3"
Probably even texted the bear the next day: "miss u <3"
Posted by: bananaDream at December 01, 2015 12:44 PM (vLk7c)
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"People don't seem to recall that the Bush doctrine was working in the Middle East. It was settling down, it was becoming more peaceful and democratic... until the left went berserk and betrayed us all, treasonously giving our enemies hope and morale to fight back."
If the left hadn't gone, well, berserk is a good word; and the Dem pols had stayed the course and not followed their lead, I am convinced we would be in a far better place than we are now overseas.
Obama has reaped more hatred coupled with less respect abroad, a weaker military, zero political capital with our allies, and emboldened enemies. Well played, sir.
If the left hadn't gone, well, berserk is a good word; and the Dem pols had stayed the course and not followed their lead, I am convinced we would be in a far better place than we are now overseas.
Obama has reaped more hatred coupled with less respect abroad, a weaker military, zero political capital with our allies, and emboldened enemies. Well played, sir.
Posted by: RM at December 01, 2015 12:44 PM (U3LtS)
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For an election that a few months ago seemed to hold so much promise, this election is looking more and more likely to be one of the worst in history.
My bet is that the level of blatant corruption and fraud in this election is going to astound everyone. Even the people who are expecting it.
My bet is that the level of blatant corruption and fraud in this election is going to astound everyone. Even the people who are expecting it.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at December 01, 2015 12:44 PM (BZAd3)
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The only reason Democracy worked at all in Turkey was because they had a "leader" that cast a large enough shadow that it stuck around for a while. They're very much on the road to losing it, and expect it to be gone within my lifetime.
Posted by: Chupacabra at December 01, 2015 12:45 PM (5npD/)
Posted by: physics geek at December 01, 2015 12:45 PM (MT22W)
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Find it hard to believe so many people are buying into his bullshit.
It's not about buying Trump's bullshit. For 25 years, the GOP nominee has always been full of bullshit. Always a big government stooge. Nixon, Bush, Dole, Bush, McCain, Romney... if I am going to vote for a bullshitting dem-lite, I might as well vote for one that is NOT beholden to lobbyists, K Street, and amnesty.
It's not about buying Trump's bullshit. For 25 years, the GOP nominee has always been full of bullshit. Always a big government stooge. Nixon, Bush, Dole, Bush, McCain, Romney... if I am going to vote for a bullshitting dem-lite, I might as well vote for one that is NOT beholden to lobbyists, K Street, and amnesty.
Posted by: wooga at December 01, 2015 12:45 PM (zqXcl)
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Posted by: Bruce Boehner at December 01, 2015 12:39 PM (EEIG6)
Bingo.
Yeah, it sucks ass to keep a despot in power. Nothing remotely edifying about that, except for tbe possibility that his replacement will be much, much worse, and not nearly as manageable.
It's called being a grownup.
Bingo.
Yeah, it sucks ass to keep a despot in power. Nothing remotely edifying about that, except for tbe possibility that his replacement will be much, much worse, and not nearly as manageable.
It's called being a grownup.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 01, 2015 12:45 PM (7G/wk)
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100 39 Khadaffi had Libya under control. And we had Khadaffi under our thumb. Taking him out was stupid. The Arab Spring was a fucking disaster.
I completely agree with that, but what about the long list of things the Administration did wrong that could have prevented the attacks? In other words, it is fair to question Rubio's judgment regarding the removal of Qaddafi but it is not fair to blame him for the lack of security at the compound, the failure to protect our personnel, etc.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 12:30 PM (YjDyJ)
I don't blame him for the lack of security, but yes he shares the blame for them being in there to begin with because he supported the ousting of Qadaffi AND supported arming the Syrian "rebels" AND still supports that idiocy. We all acknowledge that we were running guns to the Syrians out of Libya, right? Bottom line is that our people would not have even been there in the first place were it not at least partially for the agitating of the McVain crew, of which Rubio is definitely a member (combined with TFG's Shit Midas touch, of course).
So, no I don't blame him for the lack of security at Benghazi, but yes he shares the blame for those folks even being there to begin with because he WANTED the policies that put them there.
I completely agree with that, but what about the long list of things the Administration did wrong that could have prevented the attacks? In other words, it is fair to question Rubio's judgment regarding the removal of Qaddafi but it is not fair to blame him for the lack of security at the compound, the failure to protect our personnel, etc.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 12:30 PM (YjDyJ)
I don't blame him for the lack of security, but yes he shares the blame for them being in there to begin with because he supported the ousting of Qadaffi AND supported arming the Syrian "rebels" AND still supports that idiocy. We all acknowledge that we were running guns to the Syrians out of Libya, right? Bottom line is that our people would not have even been there in the first place were it not at least partially for the agitating of the McVain crew, of which Rubio is definitely a member (combined with TFG's Shit Midas touch, of course).
So, no I don't blame him for the lack of security at Benghazi, but yes he shares the blame for those folks even being there to begin with because he WANTED the policies that put them there.
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at December 01, 2015 12:45 PM (KkVB6)
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I tape my laptop's camera and I know my phone is listening, looking, and always letting The Big They know where I am, but that bird has flown.
I did the same thing. I know its paranoid but with as crazy as things are, it just seemed like a simple thing and I never use it anyway.
I did the same thing. I know its paranoid but with as crazy as things are, it just seemed like a simple thing and I never use it anyway.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 01, 2015 12:45 PM (39g3+)
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And of course I expect a full book report in time for the Sunday book thread.
Posted by: OregonMuse at December 01, 2015 12:42 PM (Zmat4)
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Oh great, homework (said in best teenage sulky voice)
Posted by: OregonMuse at December 01, 2015 12:42 PM (Zmat4)
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Oh great, homework (said in best teenage sulky voice)
Posted by: @votermom at December 01, 2015 12:45 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: L, Elle at December 01, 2015 12:45 PM (2x3L+)
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My assessment of the Uniparty Establishment political ruling class is that they are perfectly content with an asymptotic approach to whatever corrupt system of government continues to grant them the most privileges!
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 01, 2015 12:45 PM (ftVQq)
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I don't think tying Rubio to McCain and Graham is low. I think McCain is a dangerous old fart, and on foreign policy Rubio does everything he says
Posted by: ThunderB at December 01, 2015 12:46 PM (zOTsN)
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If only Cruz would start taking on the media a bit more. And agree to stopping anchor births and amnesty and h1 visas.
Just rip Trump right off of every point Trump's making and his numbers will go up.
He needs to DO something though to convince some of us that he's really serious and will follow through.
He's pulled some stuff in the Senate that doesn't pass the smell test.
Just rip Trump right off of every point Trump's making and his numbers will go up.
He needs to DO something though to convince some of us that he's really serious and will follow through.
He's pulled some stuff in the Senate that doesn't pass the smell test.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at December 01, 2015 12:46 PM (Xo1Rt)
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Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 12:43 PM (YjDyJ)
Because the McCain wing of the GOPe Hawks WERE complicit in the entire debacle?
They held the purse strings... they WANTED Libya to fall... and were complicit in shipping arms from Benghazi to Syria, thus arming ISIS.... (which is why no one ever asked in the committees what the hell the CIA was doing in Benghazi in the first place)...
Because the McCain wing of the GOPe Hawks WERE complicit in the entire debacle?
They held the purse strings... they WANTED Libya to fall... and were complicit in shipping arms from Benghazi to Syria, thus arming ISIS.... (which is why no one ever asked in the committees what the hell the CIA was doing in Benghazi in the first place)...
Posted by: BB Wolf at December 01, 2015 12:46 PM (qh617)
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They're very much on the road to losing it, and expect it to be gone within my lifetime.
I expect Turkey to be an Islamic dictatorship before the decade is out.
I expect Turkey to be an Islamic dictatorship before the decade is out.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 01, 2015 12:47 PM (39g3+)
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If Trump gets the most primary votes, the GOPe would have a much bigger problem stripping him of it than just taking their chances. No way that doesn't end up just being a write in campaign and the eventual nominee will lose by even more votes.
What will happen though is scores of elected Republicans will refuse to endorse Trump or actively campaign against him (like Eisenhower refused to endorse Goldwater) and it will be a big problem with centrist swing voters that becomes a self-fulfilling loss.
What will happen though is scores of elected Republicans will refuse to endorse Trump or actively campaign against him (like Eisenhower refused to endorse Goldwater) and it will be a big problem with centrist swing voters that becomes a self-fulfilling loss.
Posted by: Coolio at December 01, 2015 12:47 PM (SfWYN)
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Miss80's, how many obama nominees have the R's stopped? How many awful obama judges have the R's stopped?
Give me just one example of the R's stopping obama. Just one.
The R's are not only useless, they are complicit.
Miss80's, how many obama nominees have the R's stopped? How many awful obama judges have the R's stopped?
Give me just one example of the R's stopping obama. Just one.
The R's are not only useless, they are complicit.
Posted by: Soothsayer the autoresponsebot at December 01, 2015 12:47 PM (sixca)
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Cruz has always been the only choice. He knows the Constitution better than all the others combined. The Constitution is not just one consideration in this election cycle. It is the only consideration. We must be a nation of law. None of us should be above the law. It should go without saying that many current laws should be done away with. And certainly, no new laws should be made. None of this can or will happen without Cruz. All the others are 1984/Atlas Shrugged type candidates.
Posted by: Eromero at December 01, 2015 12:48 PM (b+df9)
Posted by: Fritz at December 01, 2015 12:48 PM (UzPAd)
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I understand you dislike the Republican Party
immensely but shifting blame from this Administration to other
Republicans is unfair, irresponsible, and unwise.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 12:43 PM (YjDyJ)
Former Speaker of the House John Boehner agrees!
immensely but shifting blame from this Administration to other
Republicans is unfair, irresponsible, and unwise.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 12:43 PM (YjDyJ)
Former Speaker of the House John Boehner agrees!
Posted by: Hrothgar at December 01, 2015 12:49 PM (ftVQq)
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"I understand you dislike the Republican Party immensely but shifting blame from this Administration to other Republicans is unfair, irresponsible, and unwise."
The bottom line question is if it is true. Did Rubio support intervention in Libya? Yes or No?
The bottom line question is if it is true. Did Rubio support intervention in Libya? Yes or No?
Posted by: Lauren at December 01, 2015 12:49 PM (Kqit+)
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Rubio has meanwhile been attacking Cruz as "soft" on national security.
Just got to this thread, so it's probably been said - anyone favoring amnesty is de facto soft on national security.
Go away, Rube. Your fifteen minutes are up.
Rubio has meanwhile been attacking Cruz as "soft" on national security.
Just got to this thread, so it's probably been said - anyone favoring amnesty is de facto soft on national security.
Go away, Rube. Your fifteen minutes are up.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 01, 2015 12:49 PM (X6fMO)
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The first and last Republican victory in Congress was the Sequester, which was a fluke. The R's never really wanted it but it went through by a fluke.
The first and last Republican victory in Congress was the Sequester, which was a fluke. The R's never really wanted it but it went through by a fluke.
Posted by: Soothsayer the autoresponsebot at December 01, 2015 12:49 PM (sixca)
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Because the McCain wing of the GOPe Hawks WERE complicit in the entire debacle?
They held the purse strings... they WANTED Libya to fall... and were complicit in shipping arms from Benghazi to Syria, thus arming ISIS.... (which is why no one ever asked in the committees what the hell the CIA was doing in Benghazi in the first place)...
Posted by: BB Wolf at December 01, 2015 12:46 PM (qh617)
Don't blame the "Hawks" as you call them, for this... I am a "Hawk" and I wanted NO PART of getting rid of Qaddafi or Assad, since I actually know about the MIddle East. As for that senile old bastard from AZ, he is not a "Hawk" he is an asshole and senile and fuckin asshole
They held the purse strings... they WANTED Libya to fall... and were complicit in shipping arms from Benghazi to Syria, thus arming ISIS.... (which is why no one ever asked in the committees what the hell the CIA was doing in Benghazi in the first place)...
Posted by: BB Wolf at December 01, 2015 12:46 PM (qh617)
Don't blame the "Hawks" as you call them, for this... I am a "Hawk" and I wanted NO PART of getting rid of Qaddafi or Assad, since I actually know about the MIddle East. As for that senile old bastard from AZ, he is not a "Hawk" he is an asshole and senile and fuckin asshole
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 01, 2015 12:49 PM (gf8BH)
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Funny you should mention that: http://goo.gl/8bd5kQ
Posted by: physics geek at December 01, 2015 12:45 PM (MT22W)
Heh. I had forgotten that back in those days, when ace was struggling to find his voice, he liked to use the royal "we".
Posted by: physics geek at December 01, 2015 12:45 PM (MT22W)
Heh. I had forgotten that back in those days, when ace was struggling to find his voice, he liked to use the royal "we".
Posted by: OregonMuse at December 01, 2015 12:50 PM (Zmat4)
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Over-analyzing the situation in Libya will only lose your audience. I don't think it's good to set a precedent of hanging American deaths around the neck of individuals within the administration. That's semantic. The issue is the lack of response, the avoidance and denial of the problem *during* the attack, and the subsequent coverup to fluff the election. All of that is damning without bringing fucking jersey barriers into it.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 01, 2015 12:50 PM (FfVIs)
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Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at December 01, 2015 12:45 PM (KkVB6)
You forgot one important point...
We were ILLEGALLY running guns from Libya, through Turkey, to Syria...
We were breaking UN sanctions... the very ones WE helped put in place... and using our TAX DOLLARS to do it...
You forgot one important point...
We were ILLEGALLY running guns from Libya, through Turkey, to Syria...
We were breaking UN sanctions... the very ones WE helped put in place... and using our TAX DOLLARS to do it...
Posted by: BB Wolf at December 01, 2015 12:50 PM (qh617)
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The first and last Republican victory in Congress was the Sequester, which was a fluke. The R's never really wanted it but it went through by a fluke.
Posted by: Soothsayer the autoresponsebot at December 01, 2015 12:49 PM (sixca)
What fuckin victory? It was a bad idea and most of the cuts came from Defense..some fuckin victory?
Posted by: Soothsayer the autoresponsebot at December 01, 2015 12:49 PM (sixca)
What fuckin victory? It was a bad idea and most of the cuts came from Defense..some fuckin victory?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 01, 2015 12:51 PM (gf8BH)
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113 49 Suddenly there seems to be piling on Rubio. I wonder why.
Posted by: booter at December 01, 2015 12:20 PM (Lg1F3)
Because Cruz is paying us all off. We're also getting all kinds of dosh from the Koch brothers, the Illuminati and the tooth fairy.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 01, 2015 12:33 PM (kpqmD)
The Tooth Fairy also gives extra benefits. IYKWIMAITYD.
Posted by: booter at December 01, 2015 12:20 PM (Lg1F3)
Because Cruz is paying us all off. We're also getting all kinds of dosh from the Koch brothers, the Illuminati and the tooth fairy.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at December 01, 2015 12:33 PM (kpqmD)
The Tooth Fairy also gives extra benefits. IYKWIMAITYD.
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at December 01, 2015 12:51 PM (RD7QR)
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136 >> It isn't just the GOP Establishment that dislikes Trump. I can't stand Trump. Just loathe him. Find it hard to believe so many people are buying into his bullshit.
troy, when the rumors have already started to flow that some of the biggest GOP donors are considering switching their support to Hillary! if Trump is the nominee, doesn't that at least give you pause?
When Congress is about to bend over and give TFG all the money he wants for refugee settlement, PP, and every other lame brain wish he can mouth, doesn't that give you pause?
We've tried politicos over and over, with the same predictable results. While I'm a Cruzer, I can see the appeal of "let's try something different".
troy, when the rumors have already started to flow that some of the biggest GOP donors are considering switching their support to Hillary! if Trump is the nominee, doesn't that at least give you pause?
When Congress is about to bend over and give TFG all the money he wants for refugee settlement, PP, and every other lame brain wish he can mouth, doesn't that give you pause?
We've tried politicos over and over, with the same predictable results. While I'm a Cruzer, I can see the appeal of "let's try something different".
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 01, 2015 12:51 PM (gyKtp)
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If the GOPe Party Bosses can't have one of their boys in the big chair, then they'll settle for the lesser minority perks and privileges.
Trump will be scuttled.
Trump will be scuttled.
Posted by: davidt at December 01, 2015 12:52 PM (Bno4O)
Posted by: ThunderB at December 01, 2015 12:52 PM (zOTsN)
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We've tried politicos over and over, with the same predictable results. While I'm a Cruzer, I can see the appeal of "let's try something different".
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 01, 2015 12:51 PM (gyKtp)
Ribbit
Posted by: GnuBreed at December 01, 2015 12:51 PM (gyKtp)
Ribbit
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 01, 2015 12:52 PM (gf8BH)
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Miss80's you are a remnant. You are clinging on to a dying political party.
How long do you think a political party that behaves like the Republicans, and abuses their base, can last?
All we hear from them is ATTITUDE, which is why none of us will support them any longer. Some day you too will see the Light.
Miss80's you are a remnant. You are clinging on to a dying political party.
How long do you think a political party that behaves like the Republicans, and abuses their base, can last?
All we hear from them is ATTITUDE, which is why none of us will support them any longer. Some day you too will see the Light.
Posted by: Soothsayer the autoresponsebot at December 01, 2015 12:52 PM (sixca)
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148 Eh, I think we (by we, I mean me) tend to forget that a large portion of the Republican votership is just as stupid and lazy as the Dem's.
Exactly, if they really wanted to stick it to the GOPe they'd vote libertarian, you know, those people who actually want to repeal the 16th amd, and get some some real small government momentum rolling, but instead they go for the big govt, eminent domain lovin', single payer supporting', life long cronyist clown show trump.
Exactly, if they really wanted to stick it to the GOPe they'd vote libertarian, you know, those people who actually want to repeal the 16th amd, and get some some real small government momentum rolling, but instead they go for the big govt, eminent domain lovin', single payer supporting', life long cronyist clown show trump.
Posted by: All Teh Meh at December 01, 2015 12:52 PM (VviqM)
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The unlikable Ted Cruz. The 2nd most unlikable candidate would lose to the most unlikable Hillary in a landslide unless she in jail. And then he would only lose to her by a slim margin.
Posted by: Prince Matchabelli at December 01, 2015 12:52 PM (zmZ2x)
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"Khadaffi had Libya under control. And we had Khadaffi under our thumb. Taking him out was stupid. The Arab Spring was a fucking disaster. "
One thing I think was reinforced about the Middle East is that most of the countries in the region require brutal bastards ruling them and keeping the rabble under control. They don't really understand the concept of "freedom" in most of these places. Lack of firm control quickly devolves into chaos as we've seen over and over.
I am reminded of the stories you'd hear from Iraq after Saddam's fall about cab drivers doing 60mph down city streets. When asked they would reply along the lines of "I'm free now, I can do whatever I want."
One thing I think was reinforced about the Middle East is that most of the countries in the region require brutal bastards ruling them and keeping the rabble under control. They don't really understand the concept of "freedom" in most of these places. Lack of firm control quickly devolves into chaos as we've seen over and over.
I am reminded of the stories you'd hear from Iraq after Saddam's fall about cab drivers doing 60mph down city streets. When asked they would reply along the lines of "I'm free now, I can do whatever I want."
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 01, 2015 12:53 PM (LA7Cm)
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Just rip Trump right off of every point Trump's making and his numbers will go up.
Cruz is tremendously more credible on every single thing Trump is saying than Trump is but he lacks that voice that connects with voters. He's too smart, he's too capable. He makes voters feel inferior and like losers, and he talks like [insert Idiocracy quote]. He just doesn't click with voters, I think he has pretty much as many supporters as he's ever going to.
Cruz is tremendously more credible on every single thing Trump is saying than Trump is but he lacks that voice that connects with voters. He's too smart, he's too capable. He makes voters feel inferior and like losers, and he talks like [insert Idiocracy quote]. He just doesn't click with voters, I think he has pretty much as many supporters as he's ever going to.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 01, 2015 12:53 PM (39g3+)
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145 Miss 80s it seems you are interventionist big government and nothing Cruz would ever say would earn your support
First of all, I voted for Cruz over Dewhurst in the last election and he is one of the candidates on my short list. Secondly, I directly stated upthread that I was opposed to the Arab Spring. I supported the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and would support a war against ISIS but I opposed this Administration's meddling in Africa and the Middle East. Third, I have repeatedly said that I do not think Cruz thought his statement through to its logical end. Finally, I could go through your other statement and talk about how Social Security and Medicare should be made into true welfare programs (i.e., only for the poor and with strict stipulations) but that is neither here nor there with regards to this thread.
Frankly I am getting tired of certain people (albeit a small group) assuming that I must be involved in some scheme or putting words in my mouth because they disagree with me. If you want to know my position on a certain issue, all you have to do is ask. You most likely will be surprised.
First of all, I voted for Cruz over Dewhurst in the last election and he is one of the candidates on my short list. Secondly, I directly stated upthread that I was opposed to the Arab Spring. I supported the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and would support a war against ISIS but I opposed this Administration's meddling in Africa and the Middle East. Third, I have repeatedly said that I do not think Cruz thought his statement through to its logical end. Finally, I could go through your other statement and talk about how Social Security and Medicare should be made into true welfare programs (i.e., only for the poor and with strict stipulations) but that is neither here nor there with regards to this thread.
Frankly I am getting tired of certain people (albeit a small group) assuming that I must be involved in some scheme or putting words in my mouth because they disagree with me. If you want to know my position on a certain issue, all you have to do is ask. You most likely will be surprised.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 12:53 PM (YjDyJ)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 01, 2015 12:54 PM (fFIVI)
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What fuckin victory? It was a bad idea and most of the cuts came from Defense..some fuckin victory?
I knew you'd chime in. You're on of the few here against the Sequester.
It was a good political victory for small government conservatives who wanted serious cuts in spending. We have to start somewhere...
What fuckin victory? It was a bad idea and most of the cuts came from Defense..some fuckin victory?
I knew you'd chime in. You're on of the few here against the Sequester.
It was a good political victory for small government conservatives who wanted serious cuts in spending. We have to start somewhere...
Posted by: Soothsayer the autoresponsebot at December 01, 2015 12:54 PM (sixca)
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The unlikable Ted Cruz.
Why don't you check and see if that Hot Air button on your computer still works?
Why don't you check and see if that Hot Air button on your computer still works?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 01, 2015 12:54 PM (LUgeY)
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Cruz is the Kwisatz Haderach.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 01, 2015 12:54 PM (rwI+c)
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199 If the GOPe Party Bosses can't have one of their boys in the big chair, then they'll settle for the lesser minority perks and privileges.
Trump will be scuttled.
Posted by: davidt at December 01, 2015 12:52 PM (Bno4O)
Yup... he will be... and that will be the end of the Republican Party...
Which in my view... is a GOOD thing...
There is a reason I call them the 'Vichy GOP"
Trump will be scuttled.
Posted by: davidt at December 01, 2015 12:52 PM (Bno4O)
Yup... he will be... and that will be the end of the Republican Party...
Which in my view... is a GOOD thing...
There is a reason I call them the 'Vichy GOP"
Posted by: BB Wolf at December 01, 2015 12:55 PM (qh617)
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I've never found Cruz's speaking tone to be annoying or condescending . Even on those rare occasions when I disagreed with him. He always has sound debatable reasoning behind his positions. Again I find that true even on the issues which I disagree. I just wish he had a better strategy to get his ideas implemented .
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at December 01, 2015 12:55 PM (+Q9b4)
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I can understand the liberal desire to solve the problem of human rights
issues, but if both sides are incorrigible sociopaths, perhaps you need
to reconcile yourself to the fact that a perfect solution may be
impossible.
Two groups at work here. Your typical mush-headed liberal with a "Coexist" bumper sticker wants to right all the world's wrongs. Can't we all just get along?
The hard left cadres who drive liberal politics WANT us involved in "quagmires," the better to agitate here at home. Note that they invariably support intervention (e.g., in Rwanda) where we have zero interests, and oppose it where we do have interests. They want us to fritter away our power, and the legitimacy of the military, wherever possible.
issues, but if both sides are incorrigible sociopaths, perhaps you need
to reconcile yourself to the fact that a perfect solution may be
impossible.
Two groups at work here. Your typical mush-headed liberal with a "Coexist" bumper sticker wants to right all the world's wrongs. Can't we all just get along?
The hard left cadres who drive liberal politics WANT us involved in "quagmires," the better to agitate here at home. Note that they invariably support intervention (e.g., in Rwanda) where we have zero interests, and oppose it where we do have interests. They want us to fritter away our power, and the legitimacy of the military, wherever possible.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 01, 2015 12:55 PM (oKE6c)
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The GOP convention degenerates into a riot and open rebellion when the GOP powerful attempt to force the convention to choose someone other than Trump. (Carson maybe)
Meanwhile, outside the convention, political activists attempt to shutdown the GOP convention. Riots inside the hall, riots outside the hall, and the GOP announce the convention, which has been all but shutdown, has selected Carson.
Over at the democrat convention, Hillary is arrested and has a mysterious and unexplained medical emergency. Bernie Sanders is a victim of a tragic and completely unexpected Aeroflot accident while traveling in the middle east on a fact finding mission.
Of Course, to save the nation, Obama will have to continue as President until political conditions stabilize sufficiently to allow free, fair, and orderly elections again.
Amidst all the sturm and drang, ISIS manages to nuke Washington, D.C. while Obama is fundraising in Beverly Hills.
The screenplay is complete and Hollywood agents interested in this hot property should call the number in my nic.
and I can easily append a 'polar bear rapes' character of your choice if it will help close the deal.
Meanwhile, outside the convention, political activists attempt to shutdown the GOP convention. Riots inside the hall, riots outside the hall, and the GOP announce the convention, which has been all but shutdown, has selected Carson.
Over at the democrat convention, Hillary is arrested and has a mysterious and unexplained medical emergency. Bernie Sanders is a victim of a tragic and completely unexpected Aeroflot accident while traveling in the middle east on a fact finding mission.
Of Course, to save the nation, Obama will have to continue as President until political conditions stabilize sufficiently to allow free, fair, and orderly elections again.
Amidst all the sturm and drang, ISIS manages to nuke Washington, D.C. while Obama is fundraising in Beverly Hills.
The screenplay is complete and Hollywood agents interested in this hot property should call the number in my nic.
and I can easily append a 'polar bear rapes' character of your choice if it will help close the deal.
Posted by: Virtually Unnoticed Commentary at December 01, 2015 12:55 PM (PLZH5)
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when the rumors have already started to flow that some of the biggest GOP donors are considering switching their support to Hillary! if Trump is the nominee, doesn't that at least give you pause?
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Here's the thing about that,
A) This is usually a bluff to scare people
B) The other wing promises the same treatment if "their guy" loses as well
Any mention of Jeb Bush is almost an automatic
"I will vote for Hillary" by the grassroots (and I can understand that sentiment)
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Here's the thing about that,
A) This is usually a bluff to scare people
B) The other wing promises the same treatment if "their guy" loses as well
Any mention of Jeb Bush is almost an automatic
"I will vote for Hillary" by the grassroots (and I can understand that sentiment)
Posted by: Coolio at December 01, 2015 12:56 PM (SfWYN)
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Hollywood is now endorsing ursine rape fantasies?
I'd rather them do this kind of thing than promoting child rape fantasies.
I'd rather them do this kind of thing than promoting child rape fantasies.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 01, 2015 12:56 PM (39g3+)
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Cruz is really, really bright and I like his clear speaking and willingness to reject false premises. He's also got a narrow appeal. He would sink like a stone in the general and Hillary would win.
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at December 01, 2015 12:56 PM (RD7QR)
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Again, I agree with Cruz as far as Qaddafi is concerned but I feel this line of attack transfers some of the blame from the Administration to Republicans. So no, he did not directly say that but he accidentally implied it.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 12:35 PM (YjDyJ)
Some of the blame should be on Republicans. McCain, Graham, Rubio, and a handful of others were pushing for Libya intervention harder than Obama. And for arming the "moderate Syrian opposition" who turned out to be ISIS. And for pushing the "democratic revolutions" in the "Arab Spring"
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 12:35 PM (YjDyJ)
Some of the blame should be on Republicans. McCain, Graham, Rubio, and a handful of others were pushing for Libya intervention harder than Obama. And for arming the "moderate Syrian opposition" who turned out to be ISIS. And for pushing the "democratic revolutions" in the "Arab Spring"
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 01, 2015 12:56 PM (AkOaV)
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" I think he has pretty much as many supporters as he's ever going to."
I don't think so. If Trump fades, and I still think that's fairly likely, Cruz is the most obvious choice to pick up the Trump voters. After Carson's latest bit of bewildering activities, I'm guessing that Cruz will pick off a good number of Carson voters as well. He has a path to victory, and importantly, is unlikely to make any campaign ending gaffes.
I don't think so. If Trump fades, and I still think that's fairly likely, Cruz is the most obvious choice to pick up the Trump voters. After Carson's latest bit of bewildering activities, I'm guessing that Cruz will pick off a good number of Carson voters as well. He has a path to victory, and importantly, is unlikely to make any campaign ending gaffes.
Posted by: Lauren at December 01, 2015 12:57 PM (Kqit+)
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Bestiality.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 01, 2015 12:57 PM (gu+HT)
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You know what they say: if you go bear hunting and keep getting raped, you aren't there for the hunting.
Posted by: Chupacabra at December 01, 2015 12:57 PM (5npD/)
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I understand you dislike the Republican Party
immensely but shifting blame from this Administration to other
Republicans is unfair, irresponsible, and unwise.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 12:43 PM (YjDyJ)
No, it's true. The Republican Party largely supported the intervention that led to the clusterfvcking of the ME that we have right now. The ONLY points on which they disagreed with Shit Midas were on (a) they also wanted to support the Green Revolution in Iran (and of course, because that one may have actually been to our benefit, Barky pissed all over it); (b) they didn't want to pull out of Iraq early; and (c) they didn't think he was- ILLEGALLY- arming the Syrian "rebels" fast enough.
They deserve a heaping mouthful of the shit sandwich we've been served in the ME because they've advocated for most of the Resident's agenda. Just because they might have done it a little differently than he did doesn't make their support for those things any less egregious.
immensely but shifting blame from this Administration to other
Republicans is unfair, irresponsible, and unwise.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 12:43 PM (YjDyJ)
No, it's true. The Republican Party largely supported the intervention that led to the clusterfvcking of the ME that we have right now. The ONLY points on which they disagreed with Shit Midas were on (a) they also wanted to support the Green Revolution in Iran (and of course, because that one may have actually been to our benefit, Barky pissed all over it); (b) they didn't want to pull out of Iraq early; and (c) they didn't think he was- ILLEGALLY- arming the Syrian "rebels" fast enough.
They deserve a heaping mouthful of the shit sandwich we've been served in the ME because they've advocated for most of the Resident's agenda. Just because they might have done it a little differently than he did doesn't make their support for those things any less egregious.
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at December 01, 2015 12:57 PM (KkVB6)
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Any mention of Jeb Bush is almost an automatic
"I will vote for Hillary" by the grassroots (and I can understand that sentiment)
Posted by: Coolio at December 01, 2015 12:56 PM (SfWYN)
Right... but they're the ones who tell us we're infantile for suggesting that every time one of their "moderates" is the nominee. They say "a Democrat would be a disaster. Romney is way better. Don't be a childish fool."
And now that someone they don't like is ahead in the polls, they're saying "eh, I might vote Hillary!"
"I will vote for Hillary" by the grassroots (and I can understand that sentiment)
Posted by: Coolio at December 01, 2015 12:56 PM (SfWYN)
Right... but they're the ones who tell us we're infantile for suggesting that every time one of their "moderates" is the nominee. They say "a Democrat would be a disaster. Romney is way better. Don't be a childish fool."
And now that someone they don't like is ahead in the polls, they're saying "eh, I might vote Hillary!"
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 01, 2015 12:58 PM (AkOaV)
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178 Miss80's walk away from Rubio's garbage. You can do better.
You mistake my insistence for placing the blame where it belongs for loyalty to Rubio. They are not necessarily the same thing. I strongly believe that this Administration, particularly Hillary Clinton and the SCOAMF, could have prevented Benghazi. They not only failed to do so but continue to blame others for said failure. Why should I offer them some type of lifeline on this issue?
You mistake my insistence for placing the blame where it belongs for loyalty to Rubio. They are not necessarily the same thing. I strongly believe that this Administration, particularly Hillary Clinton and the SCOAMF, could have prevented Benghazi. They not only failed to do so but continue to blame others for said failure. Why should I offer them some type of lifeline on this issue?
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 12:58 PM (YjDyJ)
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Rubio is a RINO, he lied about amnesty, he lied about Libya, he lied about American privacy,and he supports Obama n everything but Obamacare only because nothing will be done on Obamacare.
iJeb!=Rubio=democrat mediu
iJeb!=Rubio=democrat mediu
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at December 01, 2015 12:58 PM (AhyHb)
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If the GOPe Party Bosses can't have one of their boys in the big chair...
I don't see Cruz, Fiorina, or Carson as being "one of their boys".
I don't see Cruz, Fiorina, or Carson as being "one of their boys".
Posted by: RM at December 01, 2015 12:58 PM (U3LtS)
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I knew you'd chime in. You're on of the few here against the Sequester.
It was a good political victory for small government conservatives who wanted serious cuts in spending. We have to start somewhere...
Posted by: Soothsayer the autoresponsebot at December 01, 2015 12:54 PM (sixca)
Defense spending is anywhere from 4 to 18% of the Budget depending on how you define it yet it took 50% of the cuts? Yeah great plan?????
It was a good political victory for small government conservatives who wanted serious cuts in spending. We have to start somewhere...
Posted by: Soothsayer the autoresponsebot at December 01, 2015 12:54 PM (sixca)
Defense spending is anywhere from 4 to 18% of the Budget depending on how you define it yet it took 50% of the cuts? Yeah great plan?????
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 01, 2015 12:58 PM (gf8BH)
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" I just wish he had a better strategy to get his ideas implemented ."
I believe running for president is his strategy. Or, rather, becoming president is his strategy.
I believe running for president is his strategy. Or, rather, becoming president is his strategy.
Posted by: Lauren at December 01, 2015 12:58 PM (Kqit+)
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I like Cruz, his history, victory before the Supreme Court is impressive, knowledge of Constitutional law admirably.
But in the end I want a summabitch CEO to take over USA, INC. Only one candidate fits that mold.
Cruz as VP would be appropriate and be strong where the top guy Is weak. Basically a north and south ticket.
But I haven't gotten what I want since Reagan. And that one Christmas in 1968.
But in the end I want a summabitch CEO to take over USA, INC. Only one candidate fits that mold.
Cruz as VP would be appropriate and be strong where the top guy Is weak. Basically a north and south ticket.
But I haven't gotten what I want since Reagan. And that one Christmas in 1968.
Posted by: free range jihadist at December 01, 2015 12:59 PM (7v/r5)
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Frankly I am getting tired of certain people (albeit a small group) assuming that I must be involved in some scheme or putting words in my mouth because they disagree with me. If you want to know my position on a certain issue, all you have to do is ask. You most likely will be surprised.
Too much of that goes on here, and on the internet in general. It even happens in real life, with people responding to what they figured you said or want to talk about instead rather than what you actually said. Its a bad failing of people to generalize, leap to conclusions, and pigeonhole people without paying attention, and I think we all do it.
Too much of that goes on here, and on the internet in general. It even happens in real life, with people responding to what they figured you said or want to talk about instead rather than what you actually said. Its a bad failing of people to generalize, leap to conclusions, and pigeonhole people without paying attention, and I think we all do it.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 01, 2015 12:59 PM (39g3+)
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People don't seem to recall that the Bush doctrine was working in the Middle East. It was settling down, it was becoming more peaceful and democratic... until the left went berserk and betrayed us all, treasonously giving our enemies hope and morale to fight back.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 01, 2015 12:26 PM (39g3+)
Eh, maybe if Bush had gotten the American people to agree that we were going to do more than remove Saddam and try nation building. We should have taken out Saddam, put some colonel in charge and told him don't make us come back.
The ME was only "peaceful" because we kept a large force there. People weren't going to go for that for a long time. Most people don't care if the ME burns as long as they stay over there. The problem is we keep importing them.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 01, 2015 12:26 PM (39g3+)
Eh, maybe if Bush had gotten the American people to agree that we were going to do more than remove Saddam and try nation building. We should have taken out Saddam, put some colonel in charge and told him don't make us come back.
The ME was only "peaceful" because we kept a large force there. People weren't going to go for that for a long time. Most people don't care if the ME burns as long as they stay over there. The problem is we keep importing them.
Posted by: WOPR at December 01, 2015 12:59 PM (LTDSy)
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Which one is that?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 01, 2015 12:29 PM (No/ki)
____________________________
That would be me.....
*hic*
Which one is that?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 01, 2015 12:29 PM (No/ki)
____________________________
That would be me.....
*hic*
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 01, 2015 12:59 PM (HSmrB)
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Posted by: Lauren at December 01, 2015 12:58 PM (Kqit+)
The President isn't a dictator, Obama excepted.
You need Congress to work with you.
The President isn't a dictator, Obama excepted.
You need Congress to work with you.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at December 01, 2015 12:59 PM (+Q9b4)
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You're wrong. Trump will the sue the asses off anyone who tries to derail him. The man does not like being pushed around or losing. He is used to getting his way. If he is going down, it will be a knock-down, drag out, no holds barred fight.
Posted by: L, Elle at December 01, 2015 01:00 PM (2x3L+)
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Hollywood is now endorsing ursine rape fantasies?
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Well, it is rapey Tuesday and we've already done bear rape, so, from Drudge, the "boy next door" porn star is accused of raping at least three female porn stars creating fear and loathing in the porn industry.
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Well, it is rapey Tuesday and we've already done bear rape, so, from Drudge, the "boy next door" porn star is accused of raping at least three female porn stars creating fear and loathing in the porn industry.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 01, 2015 01:00 PM (fFIVI)
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I did ask Miss 80s. I asked why you preferred Rubio/Bush to Cruz and got no response
And since you voted for Cruz you know he has tied Benghazi around the administration directly. Many many times. Which goes against your complaint regarding Cruz
And Rubio has never ever parted ways with McCain. If anything is to be inferred from Cruz's comment, it is that. Do you think McCain is a dangerous interventionist old fart?
I have never said, implied or even thought you were a troll. But now that you mention it, you seem to have the same distaste for Cruz that the Bushes do. Which I don't understand especially since you voted for him.
And since you voted for Cruz you know he has tied Benghazi around the administration directly. Many many times. Which goes against your complaint regarding Cruz
And Rubio has never ever parted ways with McCain. If anything is to be inferred from Cruz's comment, it is that. Do you think McCain is a dangerous interventionist old fart?
I have never said, implied or even thought you were a troll. But now that you mention it, you seem to have the same distaste for Cruz that the Bushes do. Which I don't understand especially since you voted for him.
Posted by: ThunderB at December 01, 2015 01:00 PM (zOTsN)
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Hey, the bestiality in Wolf Hunters : Origins was only implied, it was never explicit. It was a dream while under the influence of magic mushrooms. She didn't actually do the nasty.
Posted by: Goodreads reader reviewers at December 01, 2015 01:00 PM (PLZH5)
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But honestly, the best reason to vote for Cruz is that he WILL pick solidly conservative judges for the SC. He personally knows all the candidates and understands their constitutional flights of fancy. We won't get another Roberts. No matter what you think of him personally (and, yeah I'm on Team Cruz so I'm biased) he is without question the best pick for SC purposes.
Posted by: Lauren at December 01, 2015 01:00 PM (Z/8dZ)
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I assure you that those sequester cuts hurt defense a hell of a lot more than all the other cuts spread around.
There was a big brain-drain thanks to those cuts, but fuckit, whatever.
There was a big brain-drain thanks to those cuts, but fuckit, whatever.
Posted by: Chupacabra at December 01, 2015 01:00 PM (5npD/)
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>>I've never found Cruz's speaking tone to be annoying or condescending . Even on those rare occasions when I disagreed with him. He always has sound debatable reasoning behind his positions. Again I find that true even on the issues which I disagree. I just wish he had a better strategy to get his ideas implemented .
This was my issue with him during the Obamacare shutdown effort. If he is as smart as he likes to tell us he is then he knew there absolutely zero chance that his shutdown was going to work but he did it anyway with predictable results.
He made a lot of enemies in DC with that one and like it or not he needs people to work with him to get things done.
This was my issue with him during the Obamacare shutdown effort. If he is as smart as he likes to tell us he is then he knew there absolutely zero chance that his shutdown was going to work but he did it anyway with predictable results.
He made a lot of enemies in DC with that one and like it or not he needs people to work with him to get things done.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 01, 2015 01:00 PM (/tuJf)
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I strongly believe that this Administration, particularly Hillary Clinton and the SCOAMF, could have prevented Benghazi. They not only failed to do so but continue to blame others for said failure. Why should I offer them some type of lifeline on this issue?
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 12:58 PM (YjDyJ)
Because Benghazi wouldn't have happened and been an issue if McCain, Rubio, Graham, Hillary, and our "European allies" hadn't been out publicly demanding the administration "DO SOMETHING!" to topple Qaddaffi against the wishes of the vast majority of the American public.
Now of course, Obama being CiC, it's mostly his fault. But to pretend that the biggest supporters of intervention all over the ummah are not McCain, Graham and their ilk is... disingenuous.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 12:58 PM (YjDyJ)
Because Benghazi wouldn't have happened and been an issue if McCain, Rubio, Graham, Hillary, and our "European allies" hadn't been out publicly demanding the administration "DO SOMETHING!" to topple Qaddaffi against the wishes of the vast majority of the American public.
Now of course, Obama being CiC, it's mostly his fault. But to pretend that the biggest supporters of intervention all over the ummah are not McCain, Graham and their ilk is... disingenuous.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 01, 2015 01:01 PM (AkOaV)
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Defense spending is anywhere from 4 to 18% of the Budget depending on how you define it yet it took 50% of the cuts? Yeah great plan?????
What, you never heard of the Peace Dividend? Just look around and soak in all the peace! We're up to our keisters in peace.
What, you never heard of the Peace Dividend? Just look around and soak in all the peace! We're up to our keisters in peace.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 01, 2015 01:01 PM (8ZskC)
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If the GOPe Party Bosses can't have one of their boys in the big chair...
I don't see Cruz, Fiorina, or Carson as being "one of their boys".
Posted by: RM at December 01, 2015 12:58 PM (U3LtS)
Nor do I.
If the GOPe Party Bosses can't have one of their boys in the big chair...
I don't see Cruz, Fiorina, or Carson as being "one of their boys".
Posted by: RM at December 01, 2015 12:58 PM (U3LtS)
Nor do I.
Posted by: davidt at December 01, 2015 01:01 PM (Bno4O)
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It's easy to get riled up, even among friends, when you still hope to survive The Doom. Embrace the Suck, my friends. We are cursed to live in interesting times.
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Cruz on Hugh Hewitt's radio show last night: "the testimony of the intelligence agencies was that the USA Freedom Act increased the ability to target the bad guys" - Rubio can bugger off.
Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at December 01, 2015 01:02 PM (ucB75)
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245 It's easy to get riled up, even among friends, when you still hope to survive The Doom. Embrace the Suck, my friends. We are cursed to live in interesting times.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 01, 2015 01:01 PM (rwI+c)
Ooooh, that reminds me, I have to put my Embrace the Suck morale patch on my contractor cap. If I'm going to live in interesting times I might as well advertise my sentiments.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 01, 2015 01:01 PM (rwI+c)
Ooooh, that reminds me, I have to put my Embrace the Suck morale patch on my contractor cap. If I'm going to live in interesting times I might as well advertise my sentiments.
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at December 01, 2015 01:03 PM (RD7QR)
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Defense spending is anywhere from 4 to 18% of the Budget depending on how you define it yet it took 50% of the cuts? Yeah great plan?????
Clearly every part of the federal budget needs cuts and is super fat, so I'm fine with the military being cut but it shouldn't be the primary focus, I agree.
Clearly every part of the federal budget needs cuts and is super fat, so I'm fine with the military being cut but it shouldn't be the primary focus, I agree.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 01, 2015 01:03 PM (39g3+)
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Of course Cruz is right. One of the consequences of the Obama era is that we have no clear purpose as to why and when we engage in international matters.
Should we have helped topple Gaddafi? I have no idea. You don't either.
And that's the way the Obama Administration likes it.
Should we have helped topple Gaddafi? I have no idea. You don't either.
And that's the way the Obama Administration likes it.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 01, 2015 01:03 PM (Dj0WE)
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219 Some of the blame should be on Republicans. McCain, Graham, Rubio, and a handful of others were pushing for Libya intervention harder than Obama. And for arming the "moderate Syrian opposition" who turned out to be ISIS. And for pushing the "democratic revolutions" in the "Arab Spring"
For the intervention, yes, but again, as the many investigations into Benghazi have proven, it was more than just a policy failure. I would also point-out that this idea that Republicans are equally to blame is new. Also, I have a feeling that if the situation was reversed or if someone was blaming Trump instead of Rubio, the responses would be different.
For the intervention, yes, but again, as the many investigations into Benghazi have proven, it was more than just a policy failure. I would also point-out that this idea that Republicans are equally to blame is new. Also, I have a feeling that if the situation was reversed or if someone was blaming Trump instead of Rubio, the responses would be different.
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"USA Freedom Act." That's pretty cynical, even for our shit government.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 01, 2015 01:03 PM (8ZskC)
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Yes, and this stupid FREEDOM Act did nothing to curtail government spying by the way.
It just shifted the onus on who has to pay for the massive data centers from the NSA to the telecoms, who will of course pass that expense on to us, their customers.
It just shifted the onus on who has to pay for the massive data centers from the NSA to the telecoms, who will of course pass that expense on to us, their customers.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 01, 2015 01:04 PM (AkOaV)
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"the testimony of the intelligence agencies was that the USA Freedom Act increased the ability to target the bad guys"
Yes, the intelligence agencies would say that.
Unfortunately, Obama is president, and can't be trusted.
Yes, the intelligence agencies would say that.
Unfortunately, Obama is president, and can't be trusted.
Posted by: Marginally Disbelieving at December 01, 2015 01:04 PM (PLZH5)
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I'm curious. How exactly does supporting something from the legislative branch make you responsible for the fallout caused by the executive branch? Oh, it doesn't? Gosh, and here I was told that Cruz knew a lot about the Constitution. Hmm, a first-term Senator running for president and claiming to be an expert on the Constitution. Why does that sound so familiar?
My mockery aside, Cruz's comments are inherently pathetic; a brazen deflection designed to distract from the fact that Cruz spent the last couple years trying to align with Paul's rhetoric in order to counter him in the primaries. It's pathetic; it's more pathetic than Trump's "I had no idea the guy I've known for years was disabled" defense.
Free piece of advice to Senator Cruz: don't try this nonsense in a debate. Rubio will be ready for it. You'll end up looking like Jeb after his failed attempt to knock Rubio.
Second free piece of advice to Senator Cruz: instead of trying to get into a pissing match with Rubio, try criticizing Donald Trump (a lifelong liberal with a history of supporting Democratic policies and candidates, like Hillary). The way you practically grovel before Trump ain't gonna get you his loopy supporters; it's just gonna make you look stupid to voters who are smart enough to realize that Trump is a raging moron not fit for office.
My mockery aside, Cruz's comments are inherently pathetic; a brazen deflection designed to distract from the fact that Cruz spent the last couple years trying to align with Paul's rhetoric in order to counter him in the primaries. It's pathetic; it's more pathetic than Trump's "I had no idea the guy I've known for years was disabled" defense.
Free piece of advice to Senator Cruz: don't try this nonsense in a debate. Rubio will be ready for it. You'll end up looking like Jeb after his failed attempt to knock Rubio.
Second free piece of advice to Senator Cruz: instead of trying to get into a pissing match with Rubio, try criticizing Donald Trump (a lifelong liberal with a history of supporting Democratic policies and candidates, like Hillary). The way you practically grovel before Trump ain't gonna get you his loopy supporters; it's just gonna make you look stupid to voters who are smart enough to realize that Trump is a raging moron not fit for office.
Posted by: tops116 at December 01, 2015 01:04 PM (Wn+fE)
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The NSA would have passed the cost of their spy centers to the tax payers.
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239 But honestly, the best reason to vote for Cruz is that he WILL pick solidly conservative judges for the SC. He personally knows all the candidates and understands their constitutional flights of fancy. We won't get another Roberts. No matter what you think of him personally (and, yeah I'm on Team Cruz so I'm biased) he is without question the best pick for SC purposes.
Posted by: Lauren at December 01, 2015 01:00 PM (Z/8dZ)
Does Cruz have a telephone? If so, whichever GOP candidate gets elected can call him up and get the benefit of his knowledge, right?
Posted by: Lauren at December 01, 2015 01:00 PM (Z/8dZ)
Does Cruz have a telephone? If so, whichever GOP candidate gets elected can call him up and get the benefit of his knowledge, right?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 01, 2015 01:05 PM (oKE6c)
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Cruz is tremendously more credible on every single thing Trump is saying than Trump is but he lacks that voice that connects with voters. He's too smart, he's too capable. He makes voters feel inferior and like losers, and he talks like [insert Idiocracy quote]. He just doesn't click with voters, I think he has pretty much as many supporters as he's ever going to.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 01, 2015 12:53 PM (39g3+)
Semantics.
Trump has the votes. Trump is challenging the media on their turf, on their issues. Trump is popular with liberal republicans and many democrats. Trump is immune to the slings and arrows of PC speech policing. Trump is funding his own campaign, totally DESTROYing the "big money in politics/political puppets" narrative that gives Sanders his legitimacy on the left.
And all I see from the very smart and eloquent people on this blog is gentle weeping that there isn't someone with "credibility."
This is the society that we live in. It is a soundbite, sizzle instead of steak, did-it-for-the-vine, low-information culture. Trump is connecting with those voters.
Cruz is tremendously more credible on every single thing Trump is saying than Trump is but he lacks that voice that connects with voters. He's too smart, he's too capable. He makes voters feel inferior and like losers, and he talks like [insert Idiocracy quote]. He just doesn't click with voters, I think he has pretty much as many supporters as he's ever going to.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 01, 2015 12:53 PM (39g3+)
Semantics.
Trump has the votes. Trump is challenging the media on their turf, on their issues. Trump is popular with liberal republicans and many democrats. Trump is immune to the slings and arrows of PC speech policing. Trump is funding his own campaign, totally DESTROYing the "big money in politics/political puppets" narrative that gives Sanders his legitimacy on the left.
And all I see from the very smart and eloquent people on this blog is gentle weeping that there isn't someone with "credibility."
This is the society that we live in. It is a soundbite, sizzle instead of steak, did-it-for-the-vine, low-information culture. Trump is connecting with those voters.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 01, 2015 01:05 PM (FfVIs)
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Juan McCain has come out and blamed Trump's remarks for being why Muslims hate us.
So there you go - Juan Fricken McCain has spoken and just like his accuracy about Obama that we rubes don't have anything to be worried about with an Obama presidency he opens his yap again.
So there you go - Juan Fricken McCain has spoken and just like his accuracy about Obama that we rubes don't have anything to be worried about with an Obama presidency he opens his yap again.
Posted by: Cheri at December 01, 2015 01:05 PM (oiNtH)
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I would also point-out that this idea that Republicans are equally to blame is new. Also, I have a feeling that if the situation was reversed or if someone was blaming Trump instead of Rubio, the responses would be different.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 01:03 PM (YjDyJ)
I said that Obama was more to blame since he was President, but... are we really pretending none of us have a memory that goes back like 3 years?
McCain was giving speech after speech about how Obama was weak and how we needed to intervene in Libya... The Europeans were all butthurt about not having any refueling tankers for their jets and about how they needed us to help defend their oil... Obama was flip flopping and dithering like usual... Thought about going to Congress, went on a walk, saw the polls and said "eh, fuck it, I'll just go to war without congress" and was APPLAUDED for bypassing congress by McCain / Graham/ Rubio...
Any of this ringing a bell?
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 01:03 PM (YjDyJ)
I said that Obama was more to blame since he was President, but... are we really pretending none of us have a memory that goes back like 3 years?
McCain was giving speech after speech about how Obama was weak and how we needed to intervene in Libya... The Europeans were all butthurt about not having any refueling tankers for their jets and about how they needed us to help defend their oil... Obama was flip flopping and dithering like usual... Thought about going to Congress, went on a walk, saw the polls and said "eh, fuck it, I'll just go to war without congress" and was APPLAUDED for bypassing congress by McCain / Graham/ Rubio...
Any of this ringing a bell?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 01, 2015 01:06 PM (AkOaV)
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This Cruz-Rubio debate is a good one to have. Dondi is the natural heir to the Bush-McCain Open Borders and World Police policies, and and the propensity to underhanded betrayal of the base, which have defined the GOPe for the last 27 years.
Cruz represents a re-think, which is most welcome.
As does Trump, who, judging by his nearly daily 10k + rallies, has set up a very substantial challenge to the old order.
Cruz represents a re-think, which is most welcome.
As does Trump, who, judging by his nearly daily 10k + rallies, has set up a very substantial challenge to the old order.
Posted by: dark helmet at December 01, 2015 01:06 PM (hKyl0)
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Well, it is rapey Tuesday and we've already done bear rape, so, from Drudge, the "boy next door" porn star is accused of raping at least three female porn stars creating fear and loathing in the porn industry.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 01, 2015 01:00 PM (fFIVI)
Wait a minute, you're saying there's sleazy, illegal sex going on in the pr0n industry?
I'm shocked.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 01, 2015 01:00 PM (fFIVI)
Wait a minute, you're saying there's sleazy, illegal sex going on in the pr0n industry?
I'm shocked.
Posted by: OregonMuse at December 01, 2015 01:06 PM (Zmat4)
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The way you practically grovel before Trump ain't gonna get you his loopy supporters; it's just gonna make you look stupid to voters who are smart enough to realize that Trump is a raging moron not fit for office.
Pro tip: None of them are fit for office.
Pro tip: None of them are fit for office.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2015 01:07 PM (+ZSW1)
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" it's just gonna make you look stupid to voters who are smart enough to realize that Trump is a raging moron not fit for office."
Something tells me you're not a Trump fan. Just put my finger on it.
Something tells me you're not a Trump fan. Just put my finger on it.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 01, 2015 01:07 PM (LA7Cm)
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Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance.
Not everyone is in the same stage and their choice of candidate reflects where they are.
Try not to take it out on each other. Its a giant sh!+ sandwich. And like the Cleveland Browns, it can, and will get a lot worse before it gets any better.
Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance.
Not everyone is in the same stage and their choice of candidate reflects where they are.
Try not to take it out on each other. Its a giant sh!+ sandwich. And like the Cleveland Browns, it can, and will get a lot worse before it gets any better.
Posted by: simplemind at December 01, 2015 01:07 PM (JTwsP)
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Republicans voted to pass clinton, kerry, holder, lynch, all of obama's rotten cabinet, the two idiot justices...
Republicans voted to pass Jack Lew for fark's sake!
Geithner! Sebelius.
The list goes on and on...
Republicans voted to pass clinton, kerry, holder, lynch, all of obama's rotten cabinet, the two idiot justices...
Republicans voted to pass Jack Lew for fark's sake!
Geithner! Sebelius.
The list goes on and on...
Posted by: Soothsayer the autoresponsebot at December 01, 2015 01:07 PM (sixca)
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Juan McCain has come out and blamed Trump's remarks for being why Muslims hate us.
Obviously, its not an election year.
Obviously, its not an election year.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 01, 2015 01:07 PM (8ZskC)
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A) This is usually a bluff to scare people
Except that it's a credible threat. Big donors aren't exactly known for their loyalty, especially the GOP donors. They'll put their money where they think they can get the best return. Ideology takes a back seat.
A) This is usually a bluff to scare people
Except that it's a credible threat. Big donors aren't exactly known for their loyalty, especially the GOP donors. They'll put their money where they think they can get the best return. Ideology takes a back seat.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 01, 2015 01:07 PM (gwpf+)
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Trump will make the high speed trains run on time, or people will be fired.
Posted by: A most interesting Italian. at December 01, 2015 01:07 PM (PLZH5)
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He made a lot of enemies in DC with that one and like it or not he needs people to work with him to get things done.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 01, 2015 01:00 PM (/tuJf)
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He, or Trump, for that matter, wouldn't have to work with congress on much of the shit that's going on this country and abroad. All they would need to do is start enforcing the laws already on the books.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 01, 2015 01:00 PM (/tuJf)
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He, or Trump, for that matter, wouldn't have to work with congress on much of the shit that's going on this country and abroad. All they would need to do is start enforcing the laws already on the books.
Posted by: Soona at December 01, 2015 01:08 PM (Fmupd)
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Cruz on Hugh Hewitt's radio show last night: "the testimony of the
intelligence agencies was that the USA Freedom Act increased the ability
to target the bad guys" -
What else were they going to say? "No, we're still jerking off here hacking the private photos of Hollywood celebrities?"
intelligence agencies was that the USA Freedom Act increased the ability
to target the bad guys" -
What else were they going to say? "No, we're still jerking off here hacking the private photos of Hollywood celebrities?"
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 01, 2015 01:08 PM (oKE6c)
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....."we have no dog in that fight." I'm not really certain what Cruz means .....
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Posted by: Flaccid Member at December 01, 2015 01:08 PM (5fSr7)
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And Rubio has never ever parted ways with McCain. If anything is to be inferred from Cruz's comment, it is that. Do you think McCain is a dangerous interventionist old fart?
^^^^
I know it's not addressed to me, but man I wanted to scream when Rubio and some of the other goobers on stage were so insistent on implementing a no-fly zone in Syria as part of the solutions. Good Lord. The time for that shit- if it were even a viable idea in the first place- was months and months ago. That idea is waaaaaaay past its expiration date now that the Russians were invited in by Assad and are currently flying in that air space. It was a relief to see someone (Paul, I think) point out that a no-fly zone right now would mean we'd be shooting down Russian jets and that's fvcking crazy.
^^^^
I know it's not addressed to me, but man I wanted to scream when Rubio and some of the other goobers on stage were so insistent on implementing a no-fly zone in Syria as part of the solutions. Good Lord. The time for that shit- if it were even a viable idea in the first place- was months and months ago. That idea is waaaaaaay past its expiration date now that the Russians were invited in by Assad and are currently flying in that air space. It was a relief to see someone (Paul, I think) point out that a no-fly zone right now would mean we'd be shooting down Russian jets and that's fvcking crazy.
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at December 01, 2015 01:09 PM (KkVB6)
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You mistake my insistence for placing the blame where it belongs for loyalty to Rubio. They are not necessarily the same thing. I strongly believe that this Administration, particularly Hillary Clinton and the SCOAMF, could have prevented Benghazi. They not only failed to do so but continue to blame others for said failure. Why should I offer them some type of lifeline on this issue?
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 12:58 PM (YjDyJ)
Here's what I think happened...
CIA was buying guns in Benghazi, and shipping them to Syrian rebels through Turkey... with the GOP's approval. Note McCain going to Syria and meeting with 'moderate' groups.
The Libyan Ambassador was not really in the loop... ie plausible deniability.
He was in Benghazi for a meeting with a Foreign Diplomat, who was asking him what the hell the CIA was doing???
There were then TWO attacks that night... one an attack of opportunity on him (otherwise how the hell did the bad guys know he was even there).... and a PLANNED attack on the CIA annex to steal weapons...
They wanted TWO things.... an ambassador as hostage... and to steal weapons...
But, as they are not very competent... the on the fly grab of the ambassador went south... which alerted the Annex, who was then able to fight off the attack with some casualties...
State, and DOD, could NOT send in support, because it would blow the lid off what the CIA was ILLEGALLY doing in Benghazi....
I note that the REAL decision makers... ie the National Security Advisor, and Staff, have never been questioned.
So yes... IMO the blame for the whole debacle rests on the shoulders of those who had the CIA there illegally buying guns in the first place... which would be some in the Obama Admin, AND the GOPe Leadership.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 12:58 PM (YjDyJ)
Here's what I think happened...
CIA was buying guns in Benghazi, and shipping them to Syrian rebels through Turkey... with the GOP's approval. Note McCain going to Syria and meeting with 'moderate' groups.
The Libyan Ambassador was not really in the loop... ie plausible deniability.
He was in Benghazi for a meeting with a Foreign Diplomat, who was asking him what the hell the CIA was doing???
There were then TWO attacks that night... one an attack of opportunity on him (otherwise how the hell did the bad guys know he was even there).... and a PLANNED attack on the CIA annex to steal weapons...
They wanted TWO things.... an ambassador as hostage... and to steal weapons...
But, as they are not very competent... the on the fly grab of the ambassador went south... which alerted the Annex, who was then able to fight off the attack with some casualties...
State, and DOD, could NOT send in support, because it would blow the lid off what the CIA was ILLEGALLY doing in Benghazi....
I note that the REAL decision makers... ie the National Security Advisor, and Staff, have never been questioned.
So yes... IMO the blame for the whole debacle rests on the shoulders of those who had the CIA there illegally buying guns in the first place... which would be some in the Obama Admin, AND the GOPe Leadership.
Posted by: BB Wolf at December 01, 2015 01:09 PM (qh617)
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Try not to take it out on each other. Its a giant sh!+ sandwich. And like the Cleveland Browns, it can, and will get a lot worse before it gets any better.
Posted by: simplemind at December 01, 2015 01:07 PM (JTwsP)
Yep. Just have a brewski and chill, dude.
Posted by: simplemind at December 01, 2015 01:07 PM (JTwsP)
Yep. Just have a brewski and chill, dude.
Posted by: Johnny Football at December 01, 2015 01:09 PM (RD7QR)
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it's just gonna make you look stupid to voters who are smart enough to realize that Trump is a raging moron not fit for office."
The raging moron barrier was crossed seven years ago. We survived (so far) a raging moron who hates America. I'm willing to give the job to a raging moron who actually seems willing to defend America's interests.
The raging moron barrier was crossed seven years ago. We survived (so far) a raging moron who hates America. I'm willing to give the job to a raging moron who actually seems willing to defend America's interests.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 01, 2015 01:09 PM (8ZskC)
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Trump advocated for the over throw of Khadaffi?
Whoever advocated the dumping of Khadaffi, regardless of party, has earned the blame.
I just don't "party uber all as" anymore
Whoever advocated the dumping of Khadaffi, regardless of party, has earned the blame.
I just don't "party uber all as" anymore
Posted by: ThunderB at December 01, 2015 01:09 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: brak at December 01, 2015 01:09 PM (xwPSp)
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Rubio was in a gang. The Gang of Ate.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 01, 2015 01:09 PM (gu+HT)
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Except that it's a credible threat. Big donors
aren't exactly known for their loyalty, especially the GOP donors.
They'll put their money where they think they can get the best return.
Ideology takes a back seat.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 01, 2015 01:07 PM (gwpf+)
In their shoes, I'd think twice before crossing Trump. Maybe three times.
aren't exactly known for their loyalty, especially the GOP donors.
They'll put their money where they think they can get the best return.
Ideology takes a back seat.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 01, 2015 01:07 PM (gwpf+)
In their shoes, I'd think twice before crossing Trump. Maybe three times.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 01, 2015 01:10 PM (oKE6c)
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Clearly every part of the federal budget needs cuts and is super fat, so I'm fine with the military being cut but it shouldn't be the primary focus, I agree.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 01, 2015 01:03 PM (39g3+)
Not just "not the primary" but military cuts should be the last thing approached in budget issues. The LAST. It's one of the only actual Constitutional responsibilities of the feral government. But the Weeping Boner and his gang of dim-witted collaborators were so proud of their "Sequester" crap (which was only dont to help Barky get something else un-Constitutional - which any normal American knew was total bullshit from the start (as evidenced in any of the myriad threads about that bullshit back when it happened) ... and then, when the "Sequester" finally came to be Boner and the rest of the Vichy GOP acted as if they had no idea where it even came from, as if it was some legislation that a space alien had inserted into our books, and ran away from it as quickly as possible, trying everything they could to kill it. Then, after it went into effect they turned around and claimed credit for it, again.
Defense cuts should be the last cuts of the budget ... But, then again, we haven't even had a budget over all these years, anyway.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 01, 2015 01:03 PM (39g3+)
Not just "not the primary" but military cuts should be the last thing approached in budget issues. The LAST. It's one of the only actual Constitutional responsibilities of the feral government. But the Weeping Boner and his gang of dim-witted collaborators were so proud of their "Sequester" crap (which was only dont to help Barky get something else un-Constitutional - which any normal American knew was total bullshit from the start (as evidenced in any of the myriad threads about that bullshit back when it happened) ... and then, when the "Sequester" finally came to be Boner and the rest of the Vichy GOP acted as if they had no idea where it even came from, as if it was some legislation that a space alien had inserted into our books, and ran away from it as quickly as possible, trying everything they could to kill it. Then, after it went into effect they turned around and claimed credit for it, again.
Defense cuts should be the last cuts of the budget ... But, then again, we haven't even had a budget over all these years, anyway.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 01, 2015 01:10 PM (zc3Db)
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OT: HA has a link to an excellent Mickey Kaus column in which he tries to figure out just why the GOP seems so intent on pushing a self-destructive immigration policy. The best he can come up with seems to be that they're really not very bright or honest, or something.
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My guesses:
1) We need to have a bigger population base or the whole socialist Ponzi scheme will fall apart.
2) Big Biz likes low income labor.
3) If they do anything, they'll look like big meanies.
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My guesses:
1) We need to have a bigger population base or the whole socialist Ponzi scheme will fall apart.
2) Big Biz likes low income labor.
3) If they do anything, they'll look like big meanies.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 01, 2015 01:11 PM (fFIVI)
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All we hear from them is ATTITUDE, which is why none of us will support them any longer.
Don't be ludicrous, blue-collar simpleton. Harrumph.
Don't be ludicrous, blue-collar simpleton. Harrumph.
Posted by: THE WEEK at December 01, 2015 01:11 PM (xodPA)
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Posted by: tops116 at December 01, 2015 01:04 PM (Wn+fE)
Who the fuck are you??
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Who the fuck are you??
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Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 01, 2015 01:11 PM (FfVIs)
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If the GOPe Party Bosses can't have one of their boys in the big chair...
I don't see Cruz, Fiorina, or Carson as being "one of their boys".
Posted by: RM at December 01, 2015 12:58 PM (U3LtS)
Nor do I.
Posted by: davidt at December 01, 2015 01:01 PM (Bno4O)
I see Fiorina as one of their "boys."
If the GOPe Party Bosses can't have one of their boys in the big chair...
I don't see Cruz, Fiorina, or Carson as being "one of their boys".
Posted by: RM at December 01, 2015 12:58 PM (U3LtS)
Nor do I.
Posted by: davidt at December 01, 2015 01:01 PM (Bno4O)
I see Fiorina as one of their "boys."
Posted by: buzzion at December 01, 2015 01:11 PM (zt+N6)
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Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 12:53 PM (YjDyJ)
Does the puppet even know that the puppeteer exists?
And you are not alone.
Does the puppet even know that the puppeteer exists?
And you are not alone.
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Carly Purina is a dog.
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Posted by: BB Wolf at December 01, 2015 01:09 PM (qh617)
Turkey. He was meeting with the ambassador from Turkey IIRC.
Most likely nailing down weapons transfer details, since the weapons were coming from us, our Gulf allies (so, also our weapons), and probably Libya and going through Turkey and in to the hands of the jihadists.
Because Obama said, "Assad must go."
I really can't think of another reason why we're against Assad other than Obama saying that.
Assad was doing his own thing, minding his own business and suppressing the jihadists like the rest of the world wanted, when BAM "Assad must go" and now we're talking about going to war with Russia over Assad. Why am I supposed to give a shit about Assad?
Craziness.
Turkey. He was meeting with the ambassador from Turkey IIRC.
Most likely nailing down weapons transfer details, since the weapons were coming from us, our Gulf allies (so, also our weapons), and probably Libya and going through Turkey and in to the hands of the jihadists.
Because Obama said, "Assad must go."
I really can't think of another reason why we're against Assad other than Obama saying that.
Assad was doing his own thing, minding his own business and suppressing the jihadists like the rest of the world wanted, when BAM "Assad must go" and now we're talking about going to war with Russia over Assad. Why am I supposed to give a shit about Assad?
Craziness.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 01, 2015 01:13 PM (AkOaV)
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the "boy next door" porn star is accused of raping at least three female porn stars
How much of a horrible loser must you be to have to rape a porn star? If there ever was someone who'd a guaranteed score on a date...
This is the society that we live in. It is a soundbite, sizzle instead of steak, did-it-for-the-vine, low-information culture. Trump is connecting with those voters.
Yeah that was the point I was trying to make but I guess it wasn't very clear: Cruz is the better man, but can't connect.
How much of a horrible loser must you be to have to rape a porn star? If there ever was someone who'd a guaranteed score on a date...
This is the society that we live in. It is a soundbite, sizzle instead of steak, did-it-for-the-vine, low-information culture. Trump is connecting with those voters.
Yeah that was the point I was trying to make but I guess it wasn't very clear: Cruz is the better man, but can't connect.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 01, 2015 01:13 PM (39g3+)
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Posted by: tops116 at December 01, 2015 01:04 PM (Wn+fE)
Folks, this is what it looks like, when one has their lips firmly attached to Gope's rear end.
Folks, this is what it looks like, when one has their lips firmly attached to Gope's rear end.
Posted by: BurtTC at December 01, 2015 01:13 PM (Dj0WE)
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I see Fiorina as one of their "boys."
Posted by: buzzion at December 01, 2015 01:11 PM (zt+N6)
Without a doubt.
Posted by: buzzion at December 01, 2015 01:11 PM (zt+N6)
Without a doubt.
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Also, I have a feeling that if the situation was reversed or if someone was blaming Trump instead of Rubio, the responses would be different.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 01:03 PM (YjDyJ)
Putting words in your mouth bad! You throwing out a wild accusation with no basis good!
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 01:03 PM (YjDyJ)
Putting words in your mouth bad! You throwing out a wild accusation with no basis good!
Posted by: buzzion at December 01, 2015 01:13 PM (zt+N6)
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Hey, no fighting in the War Room!
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Trump is entertaining. I enjoy a decent amount of his fights. More importantly, Trump has made a lot of the right enemies in the Republican establishment, and it's hard to be too pissed at him when he wins some fights other people won't dare even engage in.
However, when he does things like demand CNN give him $5 million, which he'll donate to veterans (and get one hell of a tax write-off), for participating in the next debate, it gets harder to distinguish between his support and the people who supported Elmer Gantry and Andy Griffith in A Face in the Crowd.
However, when he does things like demand CNN give him $5 million, which he'll donate to veterans (and get one hell of a tax write-off), for participating in the next debate, it gets harder to distinguish between his support and the people who supported Elmer Gantry and Andy Griffith in A Face in the Crowd.
Posted by: AD at December 01, 2015 01:13 PM (Fxtt9)
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Anyway at this point I'm considering voting for the bear.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo
"If there is a bear."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpwdcmjBgNA
A bear raping Leonardo diCaprio. In a way, isn't this the story of Obama?
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo
"If there is a bear."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpwdcmjBgNA
A bear raping Leonardo diCaprio. In a way, isn't this the story of Obama?
Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 01, 2015 01:13 PM (xq1UY)
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It's easy to get riled up, even among friends, when you still hope to survive The Doom. Embrace the Suck, my friends. We are cursed to live in interesting times.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 01, 2015 01:01 PM (rwI+c)
and i would hope we all know we all care deeply about the country's future,
and we all remain friends.
we need eachother through the gloom.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at December 01, 2015 01:01 PM (rwI+c)
and i would hope we all know we all care deeply about the country's future,
and we all remain friends.
we need eachother through the gloom.
Posted by: willow at December 01, 2015 01:13 PM (CNua6)
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the "boy next door" porn star is accused of raping at least three female porn stars
He bounced the check or lied about the camera being on?
He bounced the check or lied about the camera being on?
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Posted by: Jay Guevara at December 01, 2015 01:10 PM (oKE6c)
Sorry Jay but Trump's adversaries in the business world aren't afraid of Trump. That include the big donors.
Sorry Jay but Trump's adversaries in the business world aren't afraid of Trump. That include the big donors.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at December 01, 2015 01:14 PM (+Q9b4)
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or we all realize*
Posted by: willow at December 01, 2015 01:14 PM (CNua6)
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"Hmm, a first-term Senator running for president and claiming to be an expert on the Constitution. Why does that sound so familiar?
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You do know he was the Solicitor General of Texas, right?
"Does Cruz have a telephone? If so, whichever GOP candidate gets elected can call him up and get the benefit of his knowledge, right?"
Uh, have you met the arrogant SOBs running for president? No, knowledge does no good at all unless you're the one pulling the trigger.
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You do know he was the Solicitor General of Texas, right?
"Does Cruz have a telephone? If so, whichever GOP candidate gets elected can call him up and get the benefit of his knowledge, right?"
Uh, have you met the arrogant SOBs running for president? No, knowledge does no good at all unless you're the one pulling the trigger.
Posted by: Lauren at December 01, 2015 01:14 PM (Z/8dZ)
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>>He, or Trump, for that matter, wouldn't have to work with congress on much of the shit that's going on this country and abroad. All they would need to do is start enforcing the laws already on the books.
True. And you can say that about any candidates.
My issue with Trump is the same one I've had all along. I have no idea what he would do if elected because he's been on every side of every issue. And nobody else knows either and anyone who tells you they do is lying.
About a week before Trump made his big announcement speech ( I was one of about 6 people who actually watched the whole thing ) Trump was slamming Romney for having such a harsh illegal immigration plan that it turned off Hispanics. A few days later he's talking about rapists and drug dealers and insists he is going to deport everyone.
I don't see Trump as Mr. Law and Order. I see him as doing whatever is in the best interest of Trump at any given moment.
True. And you can say that about any candidates.
My issue with Trump is the same one I've had all along. I have no idea what he would do if elected because he's been on every side of every issue. And nobody else knows either and anyone who tells you they do is lying.
About a week before Trump made his big announcement speech ( I was one of about 6 people who actually watched the whole thing ) Trump was slamming Romney for having such a harsh illegal immigration plan that it turned off Hispanics. A few days later he's talking about rapists and drug dealers and insists he is going to deport everyone.
I don't see Trump as Mr. Law and Order. I see him as doing whatever is in the best interest of Trump at any given moment.
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Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 01, 2015 01:11 PM (fFIVI)
Oh, from the GOPe standpoint -- well Lindsey pulled back the curtain during one of the JV debates. He turned to someone on the stage who was against unlimited immigration and said, "So, what? You want to work until you're 80? We have a bunch of baby boomers retiring and we need more people paying in to social security!"
That's their mindset. Of course, like all Ponzi schemes, bringing in fresh dupes only delays the inevitable for a short period of time.
Oh, from the GOPe standpoint -- well Lindsey pulled back the curtain during one of the JV debates. He turned to someone on the stage who was against unlimited immigration and said, "So, what? You want to work until you're 80? We have a bunch of baby boomers retiring and we need more people paying in to social security!"
That's their mindset. Of course, like all Ponzi schemes, bringing in fresh dupes only delays the inevitable for a short period of time.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 01, 2015 01:15 PM (AkOaV)
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Yeah that was the point I was trying to make but I guess it wasn't very clear: Cruz is the better man, but can't connect.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 01, 2015 01:13 PM (39g3+)
So embrace the man and get him into the white house while both branches of congress are red.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 01, 2015 01:13 PM (39g3+)
So embrace the man and get him into the white house while both branches of congress are red.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 01, 2015 01:15 PM (FfVIs)
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119 Miss 80s why do you prefer Rubio over Cruz?
The reason I prefer Rubio to Cruz is due to the fact that while Cruz is a talker, Rubio is a doer. For example, compare the damage Rubio did to ObamaCare via a policy rider versus the lack of damage done during the shutdown. As far as the 2014 elections were concerned, I think what changed peoples' minds was seeing their premiums go up and losing their insurance policies despite the Administration's claims to the contrary. That said, does all of that somehow mean I hate Cruz? No. Generally speaking, I agree with him on the issues more than I disagree; where he sometimes loses me is with his posturing. Though Rubio has been guilty of that as well, albeit to a lesser extent.
The reason I prefer Rubio to Cruz is due to the fact that while Cruz is a talker, Rubio is a doer. For example, compare the damage Rubio did to ObamaCare via a policy rider versus the lack of damage done during the shutdown. As far as the 2014 elections were concerned, I think what changed peoples' minds was seeing their premiums go up and losing their insurance policies despite the Administration's claims to the contrary. That said, does all of that somehow mean I hate Cruz? No. Generally speaking, I agree with him on the issues more than I disagree; where he sometimes loses me is with his posturing. Though Rubio has been guilty of that as well, albeit to a lesser extent.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 01:16 PM (YjDyJ)
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241 If he is as smart as he likes to tell us he is then he knew there absolutely zero chance that his shutdown was going to work but he did it anyway with predictable results.
He made a lot of enemies in DC with that one and like it or not he needs people to work with him to get things done.
Posted by: Jack Straw
TFG does that kind of stuff all the time. Still, the vultures gather round when it's time to parcel out the slices of taxpayer pie. I'm not worried at all about who the f*ck Ted has offended in DC.
He made a lot of enemies in DC with that one and like it or not he needs people to work with him to get things done.
Posted by: Jack Straw
TFG does that kind of stuff all the time. Still, the vultures gather round when it's time to parcel out the slices of taxpayer pie. I'm not worried at all about who the f*ck Ted has offended in DC.
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My guess is that Cruz thinks:
-Jeb! is toast, and he knows he won't get those votes, Rubio will.
-He is detested by the establishment and will never pick up their support.
-Fiorina and Carson will fade in the end and he is a solid candidate for those "outsider" votes.
-Trump will somehow implode or get derailed and he will also be the logical one to collect those votes.
-Rubio will be his real opponent in the end, with the support of the GOPe, the Chamber of Commerce, the media (the McCain treatment again).
-Jeb! is toast, and he knows he won't get those votes, Rubio will.
-He is detested by the establishment and will never pick up their support.
-Fiorina and Carson will fade in the end and he is a solid candidate for those "outsider" votes.
-Trump will somehow implode or get derailed and he will also be the logical one to collect those votes.
-Rubio will be his real opponent in the end, with the support of the GOPe, the Chamber of Commerce, the media (the McCain treatment again).
Posted by: RM at December 01, 2015 01:17 PM (U3LtS)
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If Cruz is voicing a general Jacksonian position, then I'm with him. We should stay the hell out of a fight until we decide that the threat to us is worth using overwhelming and devastating means, and then we use overwhelming and devastating means. In other words, if you're worried about collateral damage, then STFU. Either it's worth the collateral damage or it's not worth doing at all.
Posted by: Ken in NH at December 01, 2015 01:17 PM (qFlZT)
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"3) If they do anything, they'll look like big meanies."
I think that's the biggest factor. They just can't stand the thought of being called mean names by the MSM. "We care! Really, we care! Si se puede!"
I think that's the biggest factor. They just can't stand the thought of being called mean names by the MSM. "We care! Really, we care! Si se puede!"
Posted by: Lauren at December 01, 2015 01:17 PM (Z/8dZ)
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The reason I prefer Rubio to Cruz is due to the fact that while Cruz is a talker, Rubio is a doer.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 01:16 PM (YjDyJ)
He does collaboration with Barky and the dems very nicely. He does treason by giving aid and comfort to the invading illegals very well.
Yeah ... Boobio's a doer, alright.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 01:16 PM (YjDyJ)
He does collaboration with Barky and the dems very nicely. He does treason by giving aid and comfort to the invading illegals very well.
Yeah ... Boobio's a doer, alright.
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Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 01:16 PM (YjDyJ)
If you're looking for a "doer" you've got Trump, Carly, Carson, Rand, and maybe Cruz (although as others have pointed out, being a lawyer is mostly being a talker not a doer).
Everyone else is a talker and has been in politics / lawyering their whole life.
If you're looking for a "doer" you've got Trump, Carly, Carson, Rand, and maybe Cruz (although as others have pointed out, being a lawyer is mostly being a talker not a doer).
Everyone else is a talker and has been in politics / lawyering their whole life.
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If the FB feed is any indication, they're shitting their pants over Cruz.
I mean, it means nothing--"who they fear" has never been a very reliable indicator.
But, on the other hand, there was never any hate for Jeb. Or Christie. Or Kasichk.
I mean, it means nothing--"who they fear" has never been a very reliable indicator.
But, on the other hand, there was never any hate for Jeb. Or Christie. Or Kasichk.
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" I think what changed peoples' minds was seeing their premiums go up and losing their insurance policies despite the Administration's claims to the contrary."
So you're position is that the GOP won the debate by doing nothing? That's mighty convenient.
So you're position is that the GOP won the debate by doing nothing? That's mighty convenient.
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Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 01, 2015 01:13 PM (AkOaV)
Actually... just as we have internal Governmental divisions... so does the Turkish Government...
I think CIA was working with their spooks... and their diplomats were probably trying to figure out what was going on as well...
Him being complicit in the CIA op itself is a real stretch... as CIA does not clue in State on a lot of operations...
So we get a Turkish Diplo calling our ambassador to Benghazi to ask what the CIA is doing there ( as his spooks didn't tell him).... and thus our ambassador becoming a target of opportunity for a group who had already planned an attack on the CIA annex...
I've worked in intersection of Military Intelligence, and Diplomacy.... its amazing to see the total LACK of cooperation between the two.... and I would guess other countries are just the same...
Actually... just as we have internal Governmental divisions... so does the Turkish Government...
I think CIA was working with their spooks... and their diplomats were probably trying to figure out what was going on as well...
Him being complicit in the CIA op itself is a real stretch... as CIA does not clue in State on a lot of operations...
So we get a Turkish Diplo calling our ambassador to Benghazi to ask what the CIA is doing there ( as his spooks didn't tell him).... and thus our ambassador becoming a target of opportunity for a group who had already planned an attack on the CIA annex...
I've worked in intersection of Military Intelligence, and Diplomacy.... its amazing to see the total LACK of cooperation between the two.... and I would guess other countries are just the same...
Posted by: BB Wolf at December 01, 2015 01:18 PM (qh617)
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Rubio would increase the debt at a faster rate than any other candidate except, perhaps, Bernie Sanders. If you care about shrinking government, he's the exact opposite of what's needed.
Posted by: Beef Supreme at December 01, 2015 01:19 PM (c8V4N)
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>>TFG does that kind of stuff all the time. Still, the vultures gather round when it's time to parcel out the slices of taxpayer pie. I'm not worried at all about who the f*ck Ted has offended in DC.
Obama was actually liked by members of his own party when he was elected. Some seem to still like him. And they go to the mattresses for his legislation like the did with Obamacare.
I don't give a shit who Cruz has offended for personal reasons, I care because I think a lot of them are getting out their knives for payback. That doesn't help.
Obama was actually liked by members of his own party when he was elected. Some seem to still like him. And they go to the mattresses for his legislation like the did with Obamacare.
I don't give a shit who Cruz has offended for personal reasons, I care because I think a lot of them are getting out their knives for payback. That doesn't help.
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Insomniac:
Hey, Man. I shot you an email about a week ago. Might be hung up in your spam folder.
I will be in Miami from 12/7 in the a.m. to 12/10 late afternoon, then Tampa for a couple days then Orlando for three and flying back to Seattle on 12/15. Would like to sit down with you and see if there is anything I can do for you.
I've got my email in the proper box above so feel free to hit me back.
TTYL. Hope you are doing okay.
Hey, Man. I shot you an email about a week ago. Might be hung up in your spam folder.
I will be in Miami from 12/7 in the a.m. to 12/10 late afternoon, then Tampa for a couple days then Orlando for three and flying back to Seattle on 12/15. Would like to sit down with you and see if there is anything I can do for you.
I've got my email in the proper box above so feel free to hit me back.
TTYL. Hope you are doing okay.
Posted by: Sharkman at December 01, 2015 01:19 PM (t8P62)
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When the truth is found to be lies
and all the joy within you dies.
and you can't be with the one you love,
then love the one you are with.
and all the joy within you dies.
and you can't be with the one you love,
then love the one you are with.
Posted by: Sex, drugs, and revolution at December 01, 2015 01:20 PM (PLZH5)
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I've worked in intersection of Military Intelligence, and Diplomacy.... its amazing to see the total LACK of cooperation between the two.... and I would guess other countries are just the same...
Posted by: BB Wolf at December 01, 2015 01:18 PM (qh617)
I mean, could be. We'll probably never know the details.
But I don't think its a coincidence that our ambassador was in Benghazi on that day meeting with the Turkish ambassador on the downlow, both of them being very far from their embassies in Tripoli.
Posted by: BB Wolf at December 01, 2015 01:18 PM (qh617)
I mean, could be. We'll probably never know the details.
But I don't think its a coincidence that our ambassador was in Benghazi on that day meeting with the Turkish ambassador on the downlow, both of them being very far from their embassies in Tripoli.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 01, 2015 01:20 PM (AkOaV)
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295 Putting words in your mouth bad! You throwing out a wild accusation with no basis good!
It is no secret that, here at AoSHQ, both Trump and Cruz are far more popular than Rubio. Furthermore, generally speaking, people are more likely to defend the politician they support. It is human nature.
It is no secret that, here at AoSHQ, both Trump and Cruz are far more popular than Rubio. Furthermore, generally speaking, people are more likely to defend the politician they support. It is human nature.
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i believe there is something to be said about being invited to the dc parties or cocktail circuit.
with their election brings shmoozing, with movers and shakers, hollywood , rich and famous and perhaps some nice deals to feather their personal nests
with their election brings shmoozing, with movers and shakers, hollywood , rich and famous and perhaps some nice deals to feather their personal nests
Posted by: willow at December 01, 2015 01:21 PM (CNua6)
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"Who the fuck are you??
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I think you've got him now, boys.
(And girl)
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(And girl)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 01, 2015 01:21 PM (LA7Cm)
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Go to Trump's site and look at what he's put up as his issues.
Control immigration by sealing and controlling our borders.
Tax reform based on simplification and retaining businesses in the US.
Pro-2A
Fix the VA (by spending...but fixing it will demonstrate the issues with how it was run, and he's proven he will actually use what dems do against them)
And the US/China trade issue is at the core of currency manipulation, which is a very real problem.
Wahhhhh Trump has gone broke.
The next president is going to be presiding over a great depression. Did I hear a "legitimacy" echoing further up the thread?
HE COULD ACTUALLY WIN, WHAT ARE YOU ALL WAITING FOR?! AM I TAKING CRAZY PILLS?!?!
Control immigration by sealing and controlling our borders.
Tax reform based on simplification and retaining businesses in the US.
Pro-2A
Fix the VA (by spending...but fixing it will demonstrate the issues with how it was run, and he's proven he will actually use what dems do against them)
And the US/China trade issue is at the core of currency manipulation, which is a very real problem.
Wahhhhh Trump has gone broke.
The next president is going to be presiding over a great depression. Did I hear a "legitimacy" echoing further up the thread?
HE COULD ACTUALLY WIN, WHAT ARE YOU ALL WAITING FOR?! AM I TAKING CRAZY PILLS?!?!
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 01, 2015 01:21 PM (FfVIs)
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The Ted Cruz 'condom police' video is laugh out loud delicious. He ticks off all the issues Hillary can't run on, then goes for the punch line.
Good stuff.
Good stuff.
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>>>>> The reason I prefer Rubio to Cruz is due to the fact that while Cruz is a talker, Rubio is a doer.
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Seriously? You have no problem with Rubio being brainwashed by Schumer and McCain into the gang of 8 bullshit right after getting into office? Rubio is a weak minded idiot and politically ambitious animal.
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Seriously? You have no problem with Rubio being brainwashed by Schumer and McCain into the gang of 8 bullshit right after getting into office? Rubio is a weak minded idiot and politically ambitious animal.
Posted by: L, Elle at December 01, 2015 01:22 PM (2x3L+)
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He made a lot of enemies in DC with that one and like it or not he needs people to work with him to get things done.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 01, 2015 01:00 PM (/tuJf)
you guys really need to get over yourselves. if a clock stops being watched, that's all that happens.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 01, 2015 01:00 PM (/tuJf)
you guys really need to get over yourselves. if a clock stops being watched, that's all that happens.
Posted by: x at December 01, 2015 01:22 PM (57fhp)
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He does collaboration with Barky and the dems very nicely. He does treason by giving aid and comfort to the invading illegals very well.
Yeah ... Boobio's a doer, alright.
He so did much damage to OCare that it's still with us and still causing people to lose their jobs.
We need more of that there "doin'" all right.
Go home, Dondi. You're not the same guy I watch campaign for the Senate all those years ago.
Yeah ... Boobio's a doer, alright.
He so did much damage to OCare that it's still with us and still causing people to lose their jobs.
We need more of that there "doin'" all right.
Go home, Dondi. You're not the same guy I watch campaign for the Senate all those years ago.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 01, 2015 01:22 PM (LUgeY)
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307 So embrace the man and get him into the white house while both branches of congress are red.
Honestly, in terms of Cruz's talents and abilities, I think the best place for him is the Supreme Court.
Honestly, in terms of Cruz's talents and abilities, I think the best place for him is the Supreme Court.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 01:23 PM (YjDyJ)
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"brings shmoozing, with movers and shakers, hollywood , rich and famous and perhaps some nice deals to feather their personal nests "
And don't forget the tail. The sweet, sweet tail.
And don't forget the tail. The sweet, sweet tail.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 01, 2015 01:23 PM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 01, 2015 01:23 PM (r9tFS)
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and you can't be with the one you love,
then love the one you are with.
Posted by: Sex, drugs, and revolution at December 01, 2015 01:20 PM (PLZH5)
Couldn't agree more.
then love the one you are with.
Posted by: Sex, drugs, and revolution at December 01, 2015 01:20 PM (PLZH5)
Couldn't agree more.
Posted by: Ursine about to be written about by Rolling Stone at December 01, 2015 01:23 PM (vgIRn)
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The fucking president, Hillary Clinton and all of the fucking lefties don't know what an ally is.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 01, 2015 01:24 PM (yddCj)
337
Obama was actually liked by members of his own party when he was elected. Some seem to still like him. And they go to the mattresses for his legislation like the did with Obamacare.
I don't give a shit who Cruz has offended for personal reasons, I care because I think a lot of them are getting out their knives for payback. That doesn't help.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 01, 2015 01:19 PM (/tuJf)
They do this because global socialism is their religion. They fucking hate the guy because he's a sociopathic tyrant, but he's basically their pope and "the lord works in mysterious ways."
I don't give a shit who Cruz has offended for personal reasons, I care because I think a lot of them are getting out their knives for payback. That doesn't help.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 01, 2015 01:19 PM (/tuJf)
They do this because global socialism is their religion. They fucking hate the guy because he's a sociopathic tyrant, but he's basically their pope and "the lord works in mysterious ways."
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 01, 2015 01:24 PM (FfVIs)
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Deposing Qaddafi was a huge strategic blunder. Even without the benefit of hindsight, the fact is he had deactivated his nuclear weapons program and given us intelligence on the players that had been helping him. Further, he was also an ally against the Islamasists. By turning on him, not only did we lose him as an ally, we sent a clear message to all other would-be helpers that they could not trust us not to turn on them in the future even if they allied themselves with us.
Except, it was not really a blunder. That word suggests that Obama didn't realize what he was doing. He knew exactly what he was doing, and it had the effect he desired.
Except, it was not really a blunder. That word suggests that Obama didn't realize what he was doing. He knew exactly what he was doing, and it had the effect he desired.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at December 01, 2015 01:24 PM (IN7k+)
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"I care because I think a lot of them are getting out their knives for payback. That doesn't help"
What's better for conservatism?
A president who pissed off his own party to drive a conservative agenda or a president who sucked off the party driving a GOPe agenda?
Remember that the GOPe claims to agree with all of Cruz's stances on issues, they just disagree with his tone or manner or whatever the fuck excuse they come up with to screw us over. If he's president and says "Hey, we're going to overturn Obamacare" they are going to be hard pressed to fight him less their constituents show up with *actual* pitchforks.
Conversely, if you've got President "let's do nothing so it will fail on its own" at the helm, it makes it pretty easy for congress to sit back and do nothing as well.
What's better for conservatism?
A president who pissed off his own party to drive a conservative agenda or a president who sucked off the party driving a GOPe agenda?
Remember that the GOPe claims to agree with all of Cruz's stances on issues, they just disagree with his tone or manner or whatever the fuck excuse they come up with to screw us over. If he's president and says "Hey, we're going to overturn Obamacare" they are going to be hard pressed to fight him less their constituents show up with *actual* pitchforks.
Conversely, if you've got President "let's do nothing so it will fail on its own" at the helm, it makes it pretty easy for congress to sit back and do nothing as well.
Posted by: Lauren at December 01, 2015 01:24 PM (Kqit+)
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And don't forget the tail. The sweet, sweet tail.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 01, 2015 01:23 PM (LA7Cm)
i imagine that is also true.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 01, 2015 01:23 PM (LA7Cm)
i imagine that is also true.
Posted by: willow at December 01, 2015 01:24 PM (CNua6)
341
DiCrappio should have been armed.
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 01, 2015 01:24 PM (gu+HT)
342
Juan McCain has come out and blamed Trump's remarks for being why Muslims hate us.
Trump stole Teh Ewok's time machine that he totally didn't have!
Juan McCain has come out and blamed Trump's remarks for being why Muslims hate us.
Trump stole Teh Ewok's time machine that he totally didn't have!
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 01, 2015 01:24 PM (gwpf+)
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and you can't be with the one you love,
then love the one you are with.
Posted by: Sex, drugs, and revolution at December 01, 2015 01:20 PM (PLZH5)
Couldn't agree more.
Posted by: Ursine about to be written about by Rolling Stone at December 01, 2015 01:23 PM (vgIRn)
Hear him.
Sorry about all the caps guys, I know that's in the stylebook, I just get excited is all, you know?
then love the one you are with.
Posted by: Sex, drugs, and revolution at December 01, 2015 01:20 PM (PLZH5)
Couldn't agree more.
Posted by: Ursine about to be written about by Rolling Stone at December 01, 2015 01:23 PM (vgIRn)
Hear him.
Sorry about all the caps guys, I know that's in the stylebook, I just get excited is all, you know?
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 01, 2015 01:24 PM (FfVIs)
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It would be fun to watch Cruz wipe the floor at the debates with that befuddled old lady the Dems are running and her acolytes in the media.
On the other hand, Trump would get the tv ratings.
On the other hand, Trump would get the tv ratings.
Posted by: brak at December 01, 2015 01:25 PM (xwPSp)
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It is no secret that, here at AoSHQ, both Trump and Cruz are far more popular than Rubio. Furthermore, generally speaking, people are more likely to defend the politician they support. It is human nature.
And we tend to pay a lot more attention to politics than the average bear.
Coincidence? I don't think so.
And we tend to pay a lot more attention to politics than the average bear.
Coincidence? I don't think so.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 01, 2015 01:25 PM (LUgeY)
346
Yep. Just have a brewski and chill, dude.Posted by: Johnny FootballAcceptance or dysfunctional coping mechanism. Such a fine line.
Posted by: simplemind at December 01, 2015 01:25 PM (JTwsP)
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#314 Yeah ... Boobio's a doer, alright.
Sure he is, why just look at his Senate voting record. Oh, wait....
Sure he is, why just look at his Senate voting record. Oh, wait....
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 01, 2015 01:26 PM (r9tFS)
348
"Sometimes you rape the bear, and sometimes the bear rapes you."
Posted by: OregonMuse at December 01, 2015 01:26 PM (Zmat4)
349
Khadafy was an asshole. But at least he was one of OUR ASSHOLES:-)
Posted by: blogforce one at December 01, 2015 01:26 PM (7yYG2)
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or dysfunctional coping mechanism. Such a fine line.
Posted by: simplemind at December 01, 2015 01:25 PM (JTwsP)
even that can work until it doesn't
Posted by: simplemind at December 01, 2015 01:25 PM (JTwsP)
even that can work until it doesn't
Posted by: willow at December 01, 2015 01:27 PM (CNua6)
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Hmm, a first-term Senator running for president and claiming to be an expert on the Constitution. Why does that sound so familiar?
Yeah it is familiar, but at least Cruz has demonstrated he really is an expert on the constitution.
I think what changed peoples' minds was seeing their premiums go up and losing their insurance policies despite the Administration's claims to the contrary.
The American people have always, by a large majority, opposed Obamacare. It has NEVER had support of even a large minority of voters.
If he is as smart as he likes to tell us he is then he knew there absolutely zero chance that his shutdown was going to work but he did it anyway with predictable results.
You seem to think that the smart person never acts on integrity. Sometimes you what won't win even though you realize it because its the right thing to do.
And, as a result, he became even more popular, and the GOP got a lot of support in 2014 for actually taking a stand. Cruz' filibuster made GOP claims of doing something to stop Obamacare actually plausible to voters.
Yeah it is familiar, but at least Cruz has demonstrated he really is an expert on the constitution.
I think what changed peoples' minds was seeing their premiums go up and losing their insurance policies despite the Administration's claims to the contrary.
The American people have always, by a large majority, opposed Obamacare. It has NEVER had support of even a large minority of voters.
If he is as smart as he likes to tell us he is then he knew there absolutely zero chance that his shutdown was going to work but he did it anyway with predictable results.
You seem to think that the smart person never acts on integrity. Sometimes you what won't win even though you realize it because its the right thing to do.
And, as a result, he became even more popular, and the GOP got a lot of support in 2014 for actually taking a stand. Cruz' filibuster made GOP claims of doing something to stop Obamacare actually plausible to voters.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 01, 2015 01:27 PM (39g3+)
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tops116 is either ddayraven or trumpetdaddy
tops116 is either ddayraven or trumpetdaddy
Posted by: Soothsayer the autoresponsebot at December 01, 2015 01:27 PM (sixca)
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That's how it happens in Soviet Union.
Posted by: Putin at December 01, 2015 01:27 PM (gu+HT)
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>>you guys really need to get over yourselves. if a clock stops being watched, that's all that happens.
That was deep.
That was deep.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 01, 2015 01:27 PM (/tuJf)
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Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 01, 2015 01:21 PM (FfVIs)
Have you bothered to look at Trump's positions just prior to his announcement for President? I don't know what's less sticky than Teflon but whatever it is that should be incorporated into a Trump nick name.
Have you bothered to look at Trump's positions just prior to his announcement for President? I don't know what's less sticky than Teflon but whatever it is that should be incorporated into a Trump nick name.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at December 01, 2015 01:27 PM (+Q9b4)
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Rubio is a doer, alright. For instance his tireless work stabbing his constituents in the back with his Gan of 8 bullshit almost as soon as he was elected. Running against amnesty- while shitting on the Orange Wonder for being pro-amnesty- to gain conservative support here in FL and then doing an about face once you don't need our votes anymore is some serious doing!
Eff Marco Rubio and his combo over. I've had my fill of his bullshit.
Eff Marco Rubio and his combo over. I've had my fill of his bullshit.
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at December 01, 2015 01:28 PM (KkVB6)
Posted by: Yogi at December 01, 2015 01:28 PM (Bno4O)
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To be fair, the DiCrappio movie takes place in the 1820s. And if I learned one thing from The Adventures of Lewis & Clark, it's that smooth-bore muskets sucked ass against bears.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 01, 2015 01:28 PM (r9tFS)
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Baltimore black preachers mad at New York preachers for meeting with Trump???
But other African-American preachers said they were dismayed by the
meeting. More than 100 black religious leaders, including the Rev.
Lawrence W. Rodgers, pastor of the Westside Church of Christ in
Baltimore, wrote an open letter in Ebony magazine objecting to the
meeting
Baltimore black preachers mad at New York preachers for meeting with Trump???
But other African-American preachers said they were dismayed by the
meeting. More than 100 black religious leaders, including the Rev.
Lawrence W. Rodgers, pastor of the Westside Church of Christ in
Baltimore, wrote an open letter in Ebony magazine objecting to the
meeting
Posted by: Colin at December 01, 2015 01:28 PM (T3Tpd)
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I don't see Trump as Mr. Law and Order. I see him as doing whatever is in the best interest of Trump at any given moment.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 01, 2015 01:14 PM (/tuJf)
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I've heard that statement repeated quite often, so let's go with that.
The economy. Trump would do very well in a free market economy. So would everyone else.
Terrorism. We all know the answer to that one and Trump has voiced it: Kill 'em. Kill 'em all.
Immigration: His voice is our voice.
Obamacare: Refer to economy above.
AGW: I'm sure he knows a scam when he sees it just as most everyone else does. Also refer to economy above.
Etc. Etc.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 01, 2015 01:14 PM (/tuJf)
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I've heard that statement repeated quite often, so let's go with that.
The economy. Trump would do very well in a free market economy. So would everyone else.
Terrorism. We all know the answer to that one and Trump has voiced it: Kill 'em. Kill 'em all.
Immigration: His voice is our voice.
Obamacare: Refer to economy above.
AGW: I'm sure he knows a scam when he sees it just as most everyone else does. Also refer to economy above.
Etc. Etc.
Posted by: Soona at December 01, 2015 01:29 PM (Fmupd)
Posted by: x at December 01, 2015 01:29 PM (57fhp)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at December 01, 2015 01:29 PM (LA7Cm)
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"I see Fiorina as one of their "boys."
I get your point. Perhaps yet to be determined.
I include her because she is so clearly an outsider, coming from a different position as a former CEO as opposed to a lifetime pol or community activist type. I could be wrong but I also sense she would seek good advice but ultimately chart her own course and when the chips are down, not be afraid to take a tough stance that bucks the conventional wisdom.
I get your point. Perhaps yet to be determined.
I include her because she is so clearly an outsider, coming from a different position as a former CEO as opposed to a lifetime pol or community activist type. I could be wrong but I also sense she would seek good advice but ultimately chart her own course and when the chips are down, not be afraid to take a tough stance that bucks the conventional wisdom.
Posted by: RM at December 01, 2015 01:29 PM (U3LtS)
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re 215: expect American tourist money spent in Cuba in the near future to fund those demon-strations and riots. I said weeks ago that his would be the worst convention since the Dems Chicago 1968.
eg
94 and wait till progs start to visit Cuba. think of all the money that the Castro boys will be able to redirect to Occupy Wall St, etc. Gonna be a fun summer.
Posted by: mallfly at April 28, 2015 01:59 PM (qSIlh)
eg
94 and wait till progs start to visit Cuba. think of all the money that the Castro boys will be able to redirect to Occupy Wall St, etc. Gonna be a fun summer.
Posted by: mallfly at April 28, 2015 01:59 PM (qSIlh)
Posted by: Satan of Cloggenstein Vt at December 01, 2015 01:29 PM (qSIlh)
365
Completely O/T
OK help a poor redneck out. Where do these names come from and why?
Read kids names in photo.
http://tinyurl.com/gsrnwmh
OK help a poor redneck out. Where do these names come from and why?
Read kids names in photo.
http://tinyurl.com/gsrnwmh
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 01, 2015 01:29 PM (jJRIy)
366
This idiot Rubio isn't even running for reelection -- leaving the seat open for Alan Grayson to take. Thanks, Rubio!
Rubio is ending his political career.
This idiot Rubio isn't even running for reelection -- leaving the seat open for Alan Grayson to take. Thanks, Rubio!
Rubio is ending his political career.
Posted by: Soothsayer the autoresponsebot at December 01, 2015 01:30 PM (sixca)
367
Juan McCain has come out and blamed Trump's remarks for being why Muslims hate us.
Every time that worthless old drooler McCain opens his yap and says sh*t like this, the only appropriate response is "bite my crank, mate".
Every time that worthless old drooler McCain opens his yap and says sh*t like this, the only appropriate response is "bite my crank, mate".
Posted by: OregonMuse at December 01, 2015 01:30 PM (Zmat4)
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so i guess i can jump in here before threat gets willowed.
i get to go on vacation, it has been 7 years since i've been more than a couple miles from my home after the last move.
ny and than huntington beach for 4 weeks
renting a condo on the beach at my sisters expense as i paid for our last vacation together with all the children back in 07.
so i'm hoping this will fix or at least give me time to recover from what ails me.
i get to go on vacation, it has been 7 years since i've been more than a couple miles from my home after the last move.
ny and than huntington beach for 4 weeks
renting a condo on the beach at my sisters expense as i paid for our last vacation together with all the children back in 07.
so i'm hoping this will fix or at least give me time to recover from what ails me.
Posted by: willow at December 01, 2015 01:30 PM (CNua6)
369
Marco is just another CFR/PNAC puppet.
Posted by: superflex at December 01, 2015 01:30 PM (xTqt/)
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We all need Noms de guerre. For now on I'm Comandante El Gringo. Ace is Comandante Fifi.
Dont laugh. There was a Comandante Fifi who fought under Simon Bolivar and is considered a national hero in Peruvia.
We all need Noms de guerre. For now on I'm Comandante El Gringo. Ace is Comandante Fifi.
Dont laugh. There was a Comandante Fifi who fought under Simon Bolivar and is considered a national hero in Peruvia.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 01, 2015 01:30 PM (iQIUe)
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344 It would be fun to watch Cruz wipe the floor at the debates with that befuddled old lady the Dems are running and her acolytes in the media.-----
I like Cruz. But be careful for what you wish for. Remember Paul Ryan vs. Uncle Joe. Yeah, that didn't work out too well now did it?
I like Cruz. But be careful for what you wish for. Remember Paul Ryan vs. Uncle Joe. Yeah, that didn't work out too well now did it?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 01, 2015 01:30 PM (ZxmMG)
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329 Seriously? You have no problem with Rubio being brainwashed by Schumer and McCain into the gang of 8 bullshit right after getting into office? Rubio is a weak minded idiot and politically ambitious animal.
This is what I mean by assumptions. You automatically assume that because I think Rubio would be a better president than Cruz (whereas Cruz would make the better justice by far) that I necessarily support the Gang of Eight despite my statements to the contrary. I think there is a legitimate question of whether he learned a lesson from that experience or not. After all, the Gang of Eight bill was never signed into law.
With regards to ambitions, why do you assume that Cruz is somehow less ambitious than Rubio, particularly when Cruz is more prone to changing his mind when pressured by talk radio? Cruz also refuses to take a position on legalization despite his earlier legalization amendment, which he now claims was a ruse of sorts.
This is what I mean by assumptions. You automatically assume that because I think Rubio would be a better president than Cruz (whereas Cruz would make the better justice by far) that I necessarily support the Gang of Eight despite my statements to the contrary. I think there is a legitimate question of whether he learned a lesson from that experience or not. After all, the Gang of Eight bill was never signed into law.
With regards to ambitions, why do you assume that Cruz is somehow less ambitious than Rubio, particularly when Cruz is more prone to changing his mind when pressured by talk radio? Cruz also refuses to take a position on legalization despite his earlier legalization amendment, which he now claims was a ruse of sorts.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 01:31 PM (YjDyJ)
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re 362:
Gilbert Gottfried: "and the bear knocks the gun out of his hands and knocks him down and rips off his pants and says 'you don't really come here to hunt, do you?"
Gilbert Gottfried: "and the bear knocks the gun out of his hands and knocks him down and rips off his pants and says 'you don't really come here to hunt, do you?"
Posted by: Satan of Cloggenstein Vt at December 01, 2015 01:31 PM (qSIlh)
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I'm completely opposed to the kind of Realpolitik that had us supporting some of the most horrific monsters on earth in the past because they claimed to be anti-Communist, for example. I think we should work with who we can but not work to support awful people simply because we're worried about who will replace them.
We're sending hundreds of billions of dollars overseas and for what? For nations to hate us more? For our guys to die in some craphole they can't even pronounce? We have way too much "foreign aid" going to nations that despise us and in bases that we don't need.
We're sending hundreds of billions of dollars overseas and for what? For nations to hate us more? For our guys to die in some craphole they can't even pronounce? We have way too much "foreign aid" going to nations that despise us and in bases that we don't need.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 01, 2015 01:32 PM (39g3+)
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Meanwhile, Cruz gets hit with an absolutely obvious gotcha question by Kasie Hunt of NBC: define "amnesty". Simple as that.
Cruz tries to duck and deflect, but Hunt is aware that this is a gotcha question and homes in like a Sidewinder missile, and asks Cruz _four times in a row_ for a definition. She doesn't get a real answer, but she gets priceless footage of a back-footed, obviously evasive Cruz, which it is guaranteed that NBC will show over and over again.
For Pete's sake, this is big-league presidential politics. Certain hostile gotcha questions are going to get asked by the snooze media, and ready answers have to be drilled in advance for them. That so many members of the GOP field -- not limited to Cruz -- keep getting surprised by stuff that they should not be at all surprised by is an absolutely terrible sign.
Cruz tries to duck and deflect, but Hunt is aware that this is a gotcha question and homes in like a Sidewinder missile, and asks Cruz _four times in a row_ for a definition. She doesn't get a real answer, but she gets priceless footage of a back-footed, obviously evasive Cruz, which it is guaranteed that NBC will show over and over again.
For Pete's sake, this is big-league presidential politics. Certain hostile gotcha questions are going to get asked by the snooze media, and ready answers have to be drilled in advance for them. That so many members of the GOP field -- not limited to Cruz -- keep getting surprised by stuff that they should not be at all surprised by is an absolutely terrible sign.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 01, 2015 01:32 PM (noWW6)
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365 Completely O/T
OK help a poor redneck out. Where do these names come from and why?
Read kids names in photo.
http://tinyurl.com/gsrnwmh
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 01, 2015 01:29 PM (jJRIy)
Really Whitey?
/////
OK help a poor redneck out. Where do these names come from and why?
Read kids names in photo.
http://tinyurl.com/gsrnwmh
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 01, 2015 01:29 PM (jJRIy)
Really Whitey?
/////
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 01, 2015 01:33 PM (ZxmMG)
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>>'ve heard that statement repeated quite often, so let's go with that.
>>The economy. Trump would do very well in a free market economy. So would everyone else.
>>Terrorism. We all know the answer to that one and Trump has voiced it: Kill 'em. Kill 'em all.
>>Immigration: His voice is our voice.
>>Obamacare: Refer to economy above.
>>AGW: I'm sure he knows a scam when he sees it just as most everyone else does. Also refer to economy above.
>>Etc. Etc.
Accept he has been on the opposite of almost all those positions at one time or another. And really, have you ever heard him speak in detail about any of those issues? All he does is give bullet point answers and then talks about his yuuuge poll numbers or how low T Bush is.
Eh, I'd pull the lever for him if he got the nomination but that's about it.
>>The economy. Trump would do very well in a free market economy. So would everyone else.
>>Terrorism. We all know the answer to that one and Trump has voiced it: Kill 'em. Kill 'em all.
>>Immigration: His voice is our voice.
>>Obamacare: Refer to economy above.
>>AGW: I'm sure he knows a scam when he sees it just as most everyone else does. Also refer to economy above.
>>Etc. Etc.
Accept he has been on the opposite of almost all those positions at one time or another. And really, have you ever heard him speak in detail about any of those issues? All he does is give bullet point answers and then talks about his yuuuge poll numbers or how low T Bush is.
Eh, I'd pull the lever for him if he got the nomination but that's about it.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 01, 2015 01:33 PM (/tuJf)
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304 My issue with Trump is the same one I've had all along. I have no idea what he would do if elected because he's been on every side of every issue. And nobody else knows either and anyone who tells you they do is lying.
Same here. Who is the real Donald Trump and what does he actually believe?
Same here. Who is the real Donald Trump and what does he actually believe?
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 01:33 PM (YjDyJ)
379
'sometimes the bear rapes you' is a metaphor. It wasn't a real bear, it was a conventioneer in a furry costume doing cosplay metaphor on the existentialism of humanity and why Trump can not be allowed to be President. because, you see, it's Trump in the furry suit and the actor is a standin for the great silent majority who pay taxes, and go to church, and for some very strange reason, send their children to the government school
Posted by: National Review intern of the month at December 01, 2015 01:33 PM (PLZH5)
380
366
This idiot Rubio isn't even running for reelection -- leaving the seat open for Alan Grayson to take. Thanks, Rubio!
Rubio is ending his political career.
Posted by: Soothsayer the autoresponsebot at December 01, 2015 01:30 PM (sixca)
Well, I'm not convinced he would win a re-election campaign. Seriously, he pissed off all the conservatives here when he took his senate seat and then shit all over us. The last I had seen, his poll numbers pre-presidential announcement, weren't exactly stellar.
This idiot Rubio isn't even running for reelection -- leaving the seat open for Alan Grayson to take. Thanks, Rubio!
Rubio is ending his political career.
Posted by: Soothsayer the autoresponsebot at December 01, 2015 01:30 PM (sixca)
Well, I'm not convinced he would win a re-election campaign. Seriously, he pissed off all the conservatives here when he took his senate seat and then shit all over us. The last I had seen, his poll numbers pre-presidential announcement, weren't exactly stellar.
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at December 01, 2015 01:33 PM (KkVB6)
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AM I TAKING CRAZY PILLS?!?!
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 01, 2015 01:21 PM
Not really. Teh Donald is an enigma to both the GOPe and various "Real Conservatives," who can't accept -- or don't understand -- that he doesn't play the Great Game of Politics like the more familiar wannabes who have dedicated their adult lives to snuffling in the Public Trough.
Trump lacks "nuance": he says what he thinks, even if said thoughts are neither politically correct nor calculated not to upset the SJWs. Worst of all, perhaps, he's a patriotic American who is far more likely to get misty-eyed when the National Anthem plays than any of his rivals.
But it IS fun to watch the Rube and Cruzer pimp-slap each other. Pointless, but fun.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 01, 2015 01:21 PM
Not really. Teh Donald is an enigma to both the GOPe and various "Real Conservatives," who can't accept -- or don't understand -- that he doesn't play the Great Game of Politics like the more familiar wannabes who have dedicated their adult lives to snuffling in the Public Trough.
Trump lacks "nuance": he says what he thinks, even if said thoughts are neither politically correct nor calculated not to upset the SJWs. Worst of all, perhaps, he's a patriotic American who is far more likely to get misty-eyed when the National Anthem plays than any of his rivals.
But it IS fun to watch the Rube and Cruzer pimp-slap each other. Pointless, but fun.
Posted by: MrScribbler at December 01, 2015 01:34 PM (dbC6X)
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That Ted Cruz 'condom police' video is funny.
But what's sad is the comments @ the NBC site that has it - a bunch of people arguing that he's all in for the patriarchy because he referenced condoms, no the pill, and hos condoms aren't effective, and and and.....
Talk about completely missing the point, LIVs!!!!
Sad.
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/
ted-cruz-democrats-making-threat-condom-police-n471971
But what's sad is the comments @ the NBC site that has it - a bunch of people arguing that he's all in for the patriarchy because he referenced condoms, no the pill, and hos condoms aren't effective, and and and.....
Talk about completely missing the point, LIVs!!!!
Sad.
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/
ted-cruz-democrats-making-threat-condom-police-n471971
Posted by: Lizzy at December 01, 2015 01:35 PM (NOIQH)
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And if I learned one thing from The Adventures of Lewis Clark, it's that smooth-bore muskets sucked ass against bears.
That expedition carried at least 15 rifles, not to mention the 40-something caliber repeating air gun. The swivel-cannon was probably best for bear, though. If you weren't planning to eat the bear.
That expedition carried at least 15 rifles, not to mention the 40-something caliber repeating air gun. The swivel-cannon was probably best for bear, though. If you weren't planning to eat the bear.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 01, 2015 01:35 PM (xq1UY)
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"Here is the simple and undeniable fact: the overwhelming majority of
violent criminals are Democrats," Cruz said. "The media doesn't report
that."
That oughta stir up a shitstorm or two.
Because it is true.
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That there has really got them pissed off.
It's a nice little trap he's laid:
Just point out that it's not Republicans seeking to give voting rights to convicted felons--it's Democrats. And they're not doing it because those new voters are going to vote for Republicans.
violent criminals are Democrats," Cruz said. "The media doesn't report
that."
That oughta stir up a shitstorm or two.
Because it is true.
=========
That there has really got them pissed off.
It's a nice little trap he's laid:
Just point out that it's not Republicans seeking to give voting rights to convicted felons--it's Democrats. And they're not doing it because those new voters are going to vote for Republicans.
Posted by: RoyalOil at December 01, 2015 01:35 PM (fQ/0p)
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365 Completely O/T
OK help a poor redneck out. Where do these names come from and why?
Somebody has an apostrophe fetish.
Le'nyja, Kharisme', Te'mina, and Te'mon-Tez
OK help a poor redneck out. Where do these names come from and why?
Somebody has an apostrophe fetish.
Le'nyja, Kharisme', Te'mina, and Te'mon-Tez
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 01, 2015 01:35 PM (r9tFS)
386
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 01:31 PM (YjDyJ)
I believe Cruz has clearly stated his position on illegal immigration. Do you agree that Rubio stated two different positions depending on the audience he was speaking to?
I believe Cruz has clearly stated his position on illegal immigration. Do you agree that Rubio stated two different positions depending on the audience he was speaking to?
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at December 01, 2015 01:36 PM (+Q9b4)
387
Rubio is marginally less awful than President Bush, I'll give him that. But he's still awful.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 01, 2015 01:36 PM (39g3+)
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go to church, and for some very strange reason, send their children to the government school
Posted by: National Review intern of the month at December 01, 2015 01:33 PM (PLZH5)
Cute sock their Erick Erickson
Posted by: National Review intern of the month at December 01, 2015 01:33 PM (PLZH5)
Cute sock their Erick Erickson
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 01, 2015 01:36 PM (ZxmMG)
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Okay, whatever 80s. I have no idea what you're talking about. The Gang of 8 bullshit was a disqualifier for most of us yet you're willing to extend forgiveness to Rubio believing he learned his lesson for some reason. And everything you said about Cruz and being pressured by talk radio and changing positions can be leveled at Rubio x1000. Why do you think Rubio eventually backed out of that whole shit show? It was all the blowback he got from talk radio and the base that elected him.
Posted by: L, Elle at December 01, 2015 01:37 PM (2x3L+)
390
"Who is the real Donald Trump and what does he actually believe?"
The GOP establishment: "You can't trust Trump. He's a fake conservative. He's been all over the map on prior positions. He'll tell you one thing to get elected and then do something completely different once in office. He'll promise you right-wing red meat and then reveal himself as a liberal turncoat."
The GOP base: "Oh. So what you're saying then is that Trump is one of you?"
The GOP establishment: "You can't trust Trump. He's a fake conservative. He's been all over the map on prior positions. He'll tell you one thing to get elected and then do something completely different once in office. He'll promise you right-wing red meat and then reveal himself as a liberal turncoat."
The GOP base: "Oh. So what you're saying then is that Trump is one of you?"
Posted by: torquewrench at December 01, 2015 01:37 PM (noWW6)
391
Good news, everyone.
"If we let the world keep warming as fast as it is, and sea levels rising as fast as they are, and weather patterns keep shifting in more unexpected ways-then before long, we are going to have to devote more and more and more of our economic and military resources not to growing opportunity for our peoples, but to adapting to the various consequences of a changing planet. This is an economic and a security imperative that we have to tackle now."
-Obama
What happened to him lowering the sea levels and healing the planet?
"If we let the world keep warming as fast as it is, and sea levels rising as fast as they are, and weather patterns keep shifting in more unexpected ways-then before long, we are going to have to devote more and more and more of our economic and military resources not to growing opportunity for our peoples, but to adapting to the various consequences of a changing planet. This is an economic and a security imperative that we have to tackle now."
-Obama
What happened to him lowering the sea levels and healing the planet?
Posted by: Lauren at December 01, 2015 01:37 PM (Kqit+)
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That expedition carried at least 15 rifles, not to mention the 40-something caliber repeating air gun. The swivel-cannon was probably best for bear, though. If you weren't planning to eat the bear.
Yeah, and they still had to pump 8 or a dozen shots into a bear, and still almost got some of them killed.
The air gun was not for bears.
Yeah, and they still had to pump 8 or a dozen shots into a bear, and still almost got some of them killed.
The air gun was not for bears.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 01, 2015 01:37 PM (r9tFS)
393
Meanwhile, Cruz gets hit with an absolutely obvious gotcha question by Kasie Hunt of NBC: define "amnesty".
Rewarding those who broke the law and cheated the system with citizenship.
Rewarding those who broke the law and cheated the system with citizenship.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2015 01:37 PM (+ZSW1)
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331 He so did much damage to OCare that it's still with us and still causing people to lose their jobs.
Rubio helped hasten the death of ObamaCare. It is going to collapse.
"Rubio budget win is dealing heavy blow to ObamaCare"- http://bit.ly/21eQYig
Rubio helped hasten the death of ObamaCare. It is going to collapse.
"Rubio budget win is dealing heavy blow to ObamaCare"- http://bit.ly/21eQYig
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 01:37 PM (YjDyJ)
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This idiot Rubio isn't even running for reelection -- leaving the seat open for Alan Grayson to take. Thanks, Rubio!
Rubio is ending his political career.
Posted by: Soothsayer the autoresponsebot at December 01, 2015 01:30 PM (sixca)
Mixed feelings. I actually prefer the idea of politicians NOT holding onto their current office while trying to move up. If you're gonna run for Pres, go all the way, don't hold back.
And Grayson's enough of a commie cocksucker that it was inevitable that he'd be back sucking the gov tit in Congress anyway.
This idiot Rubio isn't even running for reelection -- leaving the seat open for Alan Grayson to take. Thanks, Rubio!
Rubio is ending his political career.
Posted by: Soothsayer the autoresponsebot at December 01, 2015 01:30 PM (sixca)
Mixed feelings. I actually prefer the idea of politicians NOT holding onto their current office while trying to move up. If you're gonna run for Pres, go all the way, don't hold back.
And Grayson's enough of a commie cocksucker that it was inevitable that he'd be back sucking the gov tit in Congress anyway.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 01, 2015 01:38 PM (gwpf+)
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The reason I prefer Rubio to Cruz is due to the fact that while Cruz is a talker, Rubio is a doer.
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WTF. He's basically said he quit his job as Senator, but keeping the pay check. What the hell has he actually done?
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WTF. He's basically said he quit his job as Senator, but keeping the pay check. What the hell has he actually done?
Posted by: Make America Great Again at December 01, 2015 01:38 PM (LXJ1e)
397
I am taking crazy pills, and they are not helping.
Posted by: Confused in Sioux Falls at December 01, 2015 01:38 PM (PLZH5)
398
Le'nyja, Kharisme', Te'mina, and Te'mon-Tez
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 01, 2015 01:35 PM (r9tFS)
Would any of you like fries with your scholarship?
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 01, 2015 01:35 PM (r9tFS)
Would any of you like fries with your scholarship?
Posted by: Universities Everywhere at December 01, 2015 01:38 PM (vgIRn)
Posted by: Soothsayer the autoresponsebot at December 01, 2015 01:39 PM (sixca)
400
Those boys in Super Troopers need to teach Leo how to deal with a bear.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 01, 2015 01:39 PM (39g3+)
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I guess the thing that continues to confuse me is why the TDS'ers continue with the endless "Trump's not a conservative" line of attack.
AFAIK, he has never claimed to BE a conservative.
AFAIK, he has never claimed to BE a conservative.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 01, 2015 01:39 PM (r9tFS)
402
By the way, just for the record, ALL the blame for Libya and Benghazi is on Fredo and the Admin and the Dems...No matter what any individual Senator said or did, it do not matter...It was only words..ALL the responsibility is on the people who made the decisions and pulled the trigger and that was NO Republicans, unless you count that rat Gates who I think was still Sec of Def?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 01, 2015 01:40 PM (gf8BH)
403
Certain hostile gotcha questions are going to get
asked by the snooze media.... Posted by: torquewrench at December 01, 2015 01:32 PM
Not sure that's a "gotcha" question, torquester. Given some of his past statements, I'd probably ask the same thing if I had the chance.
asked by the snooze media.... Posted by: torquewrench at December 01, 2015 01:32 PM
Not sure that's a "gotcha" question, torquester. Given some of his past statements, I'd probably ask the same thing if I had the chance.
Posted by: MrScribbler at December 01, 2015 01:40 PM (dbC6X)
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Rubio is not running for the US Senate because he knows he will lose. He is running for the Presidency because he hopes no one knows what a loser he is in Florida. He is in what 4th or 5th place in his home state? Whatever happened to "favorite son" politicians? He and JEB! are despised lying white trash cousins, not the favorite sons.
Posted by: NSA Apologist at December 01, 2015 01:40 PM (Ltj2h)
405
This is the society that we live in. It is a soundbite, sizzle instead of steak, did-it-for-the-vine, low-information culture. Trump is connecting with those voters.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 01, 2015 01:05 PM (FfVIs)
I agree. He is also willing to actually attack Hillary! On paper, Romney should've been POTUS--smart, extremely successful, lovely family, nice, superbly educated, loves America, BUT HE WOULD NOT TAKE THE FIGHT TO OBAMA. Whomever gets the GOP nomination has to be willing to fight like a junk yard dog and damn the media, which now only exists as a propaganda arm of the DNC.
Do not think the above statements mean that I think Trump is either a paragon of virtue or a perfect candidate. I do not. But, someone somehow has to finally implode the PC crap that is strangling the debate in this country.
It is scary to think about the number of wrong think thoughts that can now ruin your life:
Transgender issues:
*Thinking a 3 year old child might not be self aware enough to decide their gender.
*Thinking a man with a penis is not in fact a woman and that a woman without a penis is still a woman.
*Thinking that males should use the males' facilities and females should use the ones for females.
Race:
*Thinking White Privilege is a bogus POS.
*Thinking all live matter instead of just Black ones.
*Thinking the vast majority of police officers do not in fact, hunt down innocent Black people to murder or failing that, arrest them.
*Failing to think that Muslim is a race.
Homosexuality:
*Thinking your religious views matter with regards to it--unless your are muslim.
Other issues:
*Thinking that real rape is a more serious matter than a college girl having a bad date and crying rape.
*Thinking that college is a place to learn and not a place to act like an infantilzed fool.
Etc. etc. etc.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 01, 2015 01:05 PM (FfVIs)
I agree. He is also willing to actually attack Hillary! On paper, Romney should've been POTUS--smart, extremely successful, lovely family, nice, superbly educated, loves America, BUT HE WOULD NOT TAKE THE FIGHT TO OBAMA. Whomever gets the GOP nomination has to be willing to fight like a junk yard dog and damn the media, which now only exists as a propaganda arm of the DNC.
Do not think the above statements mean that I think Trump is either a paragon of virtue or a perfect candidate. I do not. But, someone somehow has to finally implode the PC crap that is strangling the debate in this country.
It is scary to think about the number of wrong think thoughts that can now ruin your life:
Transgender issues:
*Thinking a 3 year old child might not be self aware enough to decide their gender.
*Thinking a man with a penis is not in fact a woman and that a woman without a penis is still a woman.
*Thinking that males should use the males' facilities and females should use the ones for females.
Race:
*Thinking White Privilege is a bogus POS.
*Thinking all live matter instead of just Black ones.
*Thinking the vast majority of police officers do not in fact, hunt down innocent Black people to murder or failing that, arrest them.
*Failing to think that Muslim is a race.
Homosexuality:
*Thinking your religious views matter with regards to it--unless your are muslim.
Other issues:
*Thinking that real rape is a more serious matter than a college girl having a bad date and crying rape.
*Thinking that college is a place to learn and not a place to act like an infantilzed fool.
Etc. etc. etc.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at December 01, 2015 01:40 PM (kXoT0)
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398 Le'nyja, Kharisme', Te'mina, and Te'mon-Tez
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 01, 2015 01:35 PM (r9tFS)
Would any of you like fries with your scholarship?
Allow me to translate: "W'ould A'ny of Y'ou like fr'ies with your scholar'ship?"
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 01, 2015 01:35 PM (r9tFS)
Would any of you like fries with your scholarship?
Allow me to translate: "W'ould A'ny of Y'ou like fr'ies with your scholar'ship?"
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 01, 2015 01:40 PM (r9tFS)
407
If we can't do that then we have no business messing around anywhere else until it's done.
Never serialize tasks which can be executed in parallel.
Especially if you're not really going to do the one you put 1st.
Never serialize tasks which can be executed in parallel.
Especially if you're not really going to do the one you put 1st.
Posted by: DaveA at December 01, 2015 01:41 PM (DL2i+)
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Meanwhile, Cruz gets hit with an absolutely obvious gotcha question by Kasie Hunt of NBC: define "amnesty".
Blanket forgiveness of immigration law violation.
Blanket forgiveness of immigration law violation.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 01, 2015 01:41 PM (39g3+)
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Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at December 01, 2015 01:39 PM (r9tFS)
You are correct. He stated on camera that he identifies more as a Democrat than a Republican.
You are correct. He stated on camera that he identifies more as a Democrat than a Republican.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at December 01, 2015 01:41 PM (+Q9b4)
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399
willow is going on vacation
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How will we get new threads then?
willow is going on vacation
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How will we get new threads then?
Posted by: MTF at December 01, 2015 01:41 PM (TxJGV)
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"If we let the world keep warming as fast as it is, and sea levels rising as fast as they are"
3.3 plus or minus 0.4 millimeters per year.
WATERY DOOM ELEVENTY!!!
3.3 plus or minus 0.4 millimeters per year.
WATERY DOOM ELEVENTY!!!
Posted by: torquewrench at December 01, 2015 01:41 PM (noWW6)
412
What happened to him lowering the sea levels and healing the planet?
Posted by: Lauren at December 01, 2015 01:37 PM (Kqit+)
That's for his third term
Posted by: Lauren at December 01, 2015 01:37 PM (Kqit+)
That's for his third term
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at December 01, 2015 01:42 PM (fWAjv)
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>>I guess the thing that continues to confuse me is why the TDS'ers continue with the endless "Trump's not a conservative" line of attack.
>>AFAIK, he has never claimed to BE a conservative.
Maybe it's because for the last few elections the game here was you must support the uber conservative we chose or you are a fucking RINO pussy. Now many of those same people are embracing Trump.
If anyone is suffering from some sort of syndrome it's those who claim to be strident conservatives and are supporting Trump.
>>AFAIK, he has never claimed to BE a conservative.
Maybe it's because for the last few elections the game here was you must support the uber conservative we chose or you are a fucking RINO pussy. Now many of those same people are embracing Trump.
If anyone is suffering from some sort of syndrome it's those who claim to be strident conservatives and are supporting Trump.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 01, 2015 01:42 PM (/tuJf)
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"He and JEB! are despised lying white trash cousins, not the favorite sons."
But...I mean it's Florida. Isn't that the same thing? *ducks*
But...I mean it's Florida. Isn't that the same thing? *ducks*
Posted by: Lauren at December 01, 2015 01:43 PM (Z/8dZ)
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We all acknowledge that we were running guns to the Syrians out of Libya, right?
They always talk about gun control and then turn around and give them to the wrong people.
They always talk about gun control and then turn around and give them to the wrong people.
Posted by: DaveA at December 01, 2015 01:43 PM (DL2i+)
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I like Cruz. But be careful for what you wish for. Remember Paul Ryan vs. Uncle Joe. Yeah, that didn't work out too well now did it?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 01, 2015 01:30 PM (ZxmMG)
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Cruz was TX AG. He argued over 40 cases before the USSC which is pretty good. The guy lives and breaths arguments.
Problem with him and every conservative candidate is that the MSM will spin it as if he lost or did poorly no matter what.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 01, 2015 01:30 PM (ZxmMG)
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Cruz was TX AG. He argued over 40 cases before the USSC which is pretty good. The guy lives and breaths arguments.
Problem with him and every conservative candidate is that the MSM will spin it as if he lost or did poorly no matter what.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 01, 2015 01:43 PM (iQIUe)
417
Stupid fucking Rubio already sounds like Obama. What a total ungrateful POS. He is well paid and has great benefits and all the perks that come with the job and the whiny combover Dondi is saying he is bored and his job as a Senator isn't fulfilling. Fuck that guy in particular. Stupid, clueless, useless, con-man, grifter.
He has already lined up a job as a lobbyist or from some amnesty Hispanic outfit as their spokesperson.
He has already lined up a job as a lobbyist or from some amnesty Hispanic outfit as their spokesperson.
Posted by: L, Elle at December 01, 2015 01:43 PM (2x3L+)
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What happened to him lowering the sea levels and healing the planet?
Posted by: Lauren at December 01, 2015 01:37 PM (Kqit+)
Lauren, sweetie, baby, honey, he's gonna need a lifetime sinecure paying $5,000,000 a year plus expenses and a private jet to get 'er done.
Posted by: Lauren at December 01, 2015 01:37 PM (Kqit+)
Lauren, sweetie, baby, honey, he's gonna need a lifetime sinecure paying $5,000,000 a year plus expenses and a private jet to get 'er done.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at December 01, 2015 01:43 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Literature Critic for New Atlantic at December 01, 2015 01:44 PM (PLZH5)
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>>Le'nyja, Kharisme', Te'mina, and Te'mon-Tez
Heh. Anyone read "REAMDE"?
There was a long passage about the debate w/in an online gaming company about why one developer was obsessed w/inserting apostrophes into everything.
Heh. Anyone read "REAMDE"?
There was a long passage about the debate w/in an online gaming company about why one developer was obsessed w/inserting apostrophes into everything.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 01, 2015 01:44 PM (NOIQH)
421
"If anyone is suffering from some sort of syndrome it's those who claim to be strident conservatives and are supporting Trump"
Do we have to say this again? This is not a difficult concept. Conservatives supporting Trump are not supporting Trump because they think he is some Super Conservative Savior. They are supporting Trump because he pisses off the SOBs in the GOPe who've screwed them over again and again and again for the past 8 years.
He is intended to cause pain.
Do we have to say this again? This is not a difficult concept. Conservatives supporting Trump are not supporting Trump because they think he is some Super Conservative Savior. They are supporting Trump because he pisses off the SOBs in the GOPe who've screwed them over again and again and again for the past 8 years.
He is intended to cause pain.
Posted by: Lauren at December 01, 2015 01:45 PM (Z/8dZ)
422
willow, so happy for you! It sounds wonderful and just what you need. Make the most of it.
Posted by: L, Elle at December 01, 2015 01:45 PM (2x3L+)
423
Read kids names in photo.
http://tinyurl.com/gsrnwmh
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 01, 2015 01:29 PM (jJRIy)
You need to watch the 60 ghetto names video on youtube.
BTW, since I guess it's late enough to go OT (hell, I might even be willow'd!), I just saw a girl at the gym walking on a treadmill in flannel pants. Is that a thing?
I mean, I guess I get being too lazy to put on real pants when you're sick and going to walgreens for cold medicine, but too lazy to put on sweatpants or tights? That is a level of laziness I cannot fathom.
http://tinyurl.com/gsrnwmh
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 01, 2015 01:29 PM (jJRIy)
You need to watch the 60 ghetto names video on youtube.
BTW, since I guess it's late enough to go OT (hell, I might even be willow'd!), I just saw a girl at the gym walking on a treadmill in flannel pants. Is that a thing?
I mean, I guess I get being too lazy to put on real pants when you're sick and going to walgreens for cold medicine, but too lazy to put on sweatpants or tights? That is a level of laziness I cannot fathom.
Posted by: Lea at December 01, 2015 01:45 PM (lIU4e)
424
We don't like bear rape. It's icky.
But we do like Rubio. He's dreamy, standing there next to Chuck Schumer for amnesty.
#PinkLivesMatter!
But we do like Rubio. He's dreamy, standing there next to Chuck Schumer for amnesty.
#PinkLivesMatter!
Posted by: The Care Bears at December 01, 2015 01:45 PM (KCQo0)
425
Poetry.
Start posting crude doggerel.
Posted by: Literature Critic for New Atlantic at December 01, 2015 01:44 PM (PLZH5)
There once was a bear from Nantucket...
Start posting crude doggerel.
Posted by: Literature Critic for New Atlantic at December 01, 2015 01:44 PM (PLZH5)
There once was a bear from Nantucket...
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at December 01, 2015 01:45 PM (vgIRn)
Posted by: Lauren at December 01, 2015 01:45 PM (Z/8dZ)
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This idiot Rubio isn't even running for reelection -- leaving the seat open for Alan Grayson to take. Thanks, Rubio!
Can Grayson win a state wide race?
Can Grayson win a state wide race?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 01, 2015 01:46 PM (FkBIv)
428
piss on ruby oh in particular. and his fuckin speedboat. lick knob.
Posted by: chavez the hugo at December 01, 2015 01:47 PM (ucDmr)
429
Good WaPo article from Ed Rogers in the sidebar. Democrats are running nationally against huge headwinds.
But, then again, they were in 2012 as well.
But, then again, they were in 2012 as well.
Posted by: MTF at December 01, 2015 01:47 PM (TxJGV)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 01, 2015 01:47 PM (39g3+)
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386 I believe Cruz has clearly stated his position on illegal immigration. Do you agree that Rubio stated two different positions depending on the audience he was speaking to?
Cruz refuses to state his position on legalization. As for Rubio, the idea that stated one thing in English and another in Spanish is a lie. The Breitbart reporter who made those claims does not even speak Spanish. That lie was exposed by a former Breitbart reporter who actually is familiar with the language. The Univision transcript in both languages is available at the below link.
Big Government: "Rubio Reaffirms He'll End Obama's Executive Amnesty; Univision Interview Mistranslated"
Cruz refuses to state his position on legalization. As for Rubio, the idea that stated one thing in English and another in Spanish is a lie. The Breitbart reporter who made those claims does not even speak Spanish. That lie was exposed by a former Breitbart reporter who actually is familiar with the language. The Univision transcript in both languages is available at the below link.
Big Government: "Rubio Reaffirms He'll End Obama's Executive Amnesty; Univision Interview Mistranslated"
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 01:47 PM (YjDyJ)
432
Cultural power IS political power.
Trump has cultural power. He can win. He's the only one fighting the enemy and winning. Cruz is shadow boxing.
Jeb is stacking shopping carts.
Trump has cultural power. He can win. He's the only one fighting the enemy and winning. Cruz is shadow boxing.
Jeb is stacking shopping carts.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 01, 2015 01:47 PM (FfVIs)
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Comment
Posted by: eleven at December 01, 2015 01:48 PM (rjtGa)
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419 How will we get new threads then?
The old fashioned way, I guess. Write the longest, most thoughtful comment of your life..
419 How will we get new threads then?
The old fashioned way, I guess. Write the longest, most thoughtful comment of your life..
Posted by: Soothsayer the autoresponsebot at December 01, 2015 01:48 PM (sixca)
435
How will we get new threads then?
--
Poetry.
Start posting crude doggerel.
Authentic frontier gibberish.
--
Poetry.
Start posting crude doggerel.
Authentic frontier gibberish.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2015 01:48 PM (+ZSW1)
436
L'elle, ty. i am going to eat healthy and start running again, as that helps with stress also.
i tried running this a.m i got 3 blocks. and thought sheesh i'm going to stroke out, so off to the health binging again.
at least if/when the zombies appear i can run faster than them.
ha
i tried running this a.m i got 3 blocks. and thought sheesh i'm going to stroke out, so off to the health binging again.
at least if/when the zombies appear i can run faster than them.
ha
Posted by: willow at December 01, 2015 01:49 PM (CNua6)
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Haha. I said "he's fighting and winning."
He's only winning the soundbite game.
Baby, it's a start!
He's only winning the soundbite game.
Baby, it's a start!
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 01, 2015 01:49 PM (FfVIs)
438
Some serious gun-dick stroking seems to get a new post up, too.
Posted by: Chupacabra at December 01, 2015 01:49 PM (5npD/)
439
If anyone is suffering from some sort of syndrome it's those who claim to be strident conservatives and are supporting Trump.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 01, 2015 01:42 PM (/tuJf)
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We all love watching Trump bust Prince Reibus' balls, but this is indeed a puzzlement
Posted by: JackStraw at December 01, 2015 01:42 PM (/tuJf)
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We all love watching Trump bust Prince Reibus' balls, but this is indeed a puzzlement
Posted by: MTF at December 01, 2015 01:49 PM (TxJGV)
440
Poetry.
Start posting crude doggerel.
Authentic frontier gibberish.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2015 01:48 PM (+ZSW1)
So Brokeback Mountain Cowboy Poetry?
Start posting crude doggerel.
Authentic frontier gibberish.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2015 01:48 PM (+ZSW1)
So Brokeback Mountain Cowboy Poetry?
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at December 01, 2015 01:49 PM (kXoT0)
441
#BearCondomsMatter
Posted by: Putin at December 01, 2015 01:49 PM (gu+HT)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 01, 2015 01:49 PM (39g3+)
443
421 Do we have to say this again? This is not a difficult concept. Conservatives supporting Trump are not supporting Trump because they think he is some Super Conservative Savior. They are supporting Trump because he pisses off the SOBs in the GOPe who've screwed them over again and again and again for the past 8 years.
He is intended to cause pain.
You know the primary person people hurt when they value revenge over justice? Themselves.
He is intended to cause pain.
You know the primary person people hurt when they value revenge over justice? Themselves.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 01:49 PM (YjDyJ)
444
>>Do we have to say this again? This is not a difficult concept. Conservatives supporting Trump are not supporting Trump because they think he is some Super Conservative Savior. They are supporting Trump because he pisses off the SOBs in the GOPe who've screwed them over again and again and again for the past 8 years.
No, you don't have to say it, I've heard the reasoning. Of course nobody needs to claim that people who don't agree with that strategy have some sort of syndrome and yet that happens constantly.
You know who also pisses them off? Cruz. And he actually appears to be a conservative. That's where I would expect most actual conservative voters to land.
No, you don't have to say it, I've heard the reasoning. Of course nobody needs to claim that people who don't agree with that strategy have some sort of syndrome and yet that happens constantly.
You know who also pisses them off? Cruz. And he actually appears to be a conservative. That's where I would expect most actual conservative voters to land.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 01, 2015 01:49 PM (/tuJf)
445
He is intended to cause pain.
Posted by: Lauren at December 01, 2015 01:45 PM
He is also intended to get things done. That's something today's crop of True Conservatives, addicted to parsing every word of the Federalist Papers and yammering each issue to death, have lost the ability to do.
If everything he accomplishes doesn't meet Hard-Core Standards, he'll still be light-years ahead of everyone who today styles themselves a Conservative Politician.
Posted by: Lauren at December 01, 2015 01:45 PM
He is also intended to get things done. That's something today's crop of True Conservatives, addicted to parsing every word of the Federalist Papers and yammering each issue to death, have lost the ability to do.
If everything he accomplishes doesn't meet Hard-Core Standards, he'll still be light-years ahead of everyone who today styles themselves a Conservative Politician.
Posted by: MrScribbler at December 01, 2015 01:49 PM (dbC6X)
446
British Naval phrases.
Posted by: eleven at December 01, 2015 01:50 PM (rjtGa)
447
378 304 My issue with Trump is the same one I've had all along. I have no idea what he would do if elected because he's been on every side of every issue. And nobody else knows either and anyone who tells you they do is lying.
Same here. Who is the real Donald Trump and what does he actually believe?
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 01:33 PM (YjDyJ)
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So that question and attitude isn't applied to all the other candidates? Isn't that the reason we have a prez election every four years? Face it. Presidential elections have always been a crap shoot. No matter what they've said or done before, except for one: Baraka Hussein Sotero. We knew who he was and what he'd do back in 2008. He made it very clear.
Same here. Who is the real Donald Trump and what does he actually believe?
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 01:33 PM (YjDyJ)
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So that question and attitude isn't applied to all the other candidates? Isn't that the reason we have a prez election every four years? Face it. Presidential elections have always been a crap shoot. No matter what they've said or done before, except for one: Baraka Hussein Sotero. We knew who he was and what he'd do back in 2008. He made it very clear.
Posted by: Soona at December 01, 2015 01:50 PM (Fmupd)
448
OT, but Karl Denninger has a killer post about global warming.
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3394147
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=3394147
Posted by: rickl at December 01, 2015 01:51 PM (zoehZ)
Posted by: Zombie Paul "Bear" Bryant at December 01, 2015 01:51 PM (KCQo0)
450
L'elle, ty. i am going to eat healthy and start running again, as that helps with stress also.
i tried running this a.m i got 3 blocks. and thought sheesh i'm going to stroke out, so off to the health binging again.
at least if/when the zombies appear i can run faster than them.
ha
.22lr pistol. Kneecap those around you. Walk away smartly.
i tried running this a.m i got 3 blocks. and thought sheesh i'm going to stroke out, so off to the health binging again.
at least if/when the zombies appear i can run faster than them.
ha
.22lr pistol. Kneecap those around you. Walk away smartly.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2015 01:51 PM (+ZSW1)
451
KHAZZAD BAZZAK!!! KHAZZAD DHUM!!!
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 01, 2015 01:51 PM (gu+HT)
452
"396 The reason I prefer Rubio to Cruz is due to the fact that while Cruz is a talker, Rubio is a doer.
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WTF. He's basically said he quit his job as Senator, but keeping the pay check. What the hell has he actually done? "
Pretty much right on. I donated to both when they were in single digits in their Senate race primary and barely on the radar. But while I gave more at the time to Rubio as the Senator representing me, I always liked Cruz more.
Check out how many days a year a legislator in Florida works. Slightly more than a teacher on summer break, but not by much.
Rubio has a little bit of that slack thing going on, like Obama, showing up and smiling. Which would be good if he was our Obama ... but he's not quite. He won't push the envelope and burn anything down.
The Cruz Missile is a hard worker. No one has ever seen him come less than way over-prepared on his arguments before the Supreme court or any of the legal work he does. He is meticulous and impressive. As much as a lawyer can be, since its not my favorite profession. But he's done a heckuva a lot more with it than Rubio has done with his act.
Beyond that, I would bet money on Cruz really being willing to let some things burn in DC to get what we want. Rubio, not so much. If you call eliminating deadweight agencies "doing", I'm skeptical on most candidates doing anything but I would put money on Ted being among the more likely to take it all the way to "you are going to have to override my veto if I don't get what I want" than Mr. Rubio.
No way to know for sure until one of them is in, but that's where I'd be betting my money.
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WTF. He's basically said he quit his job as Senator, but keeping the pay check. What the hell has he actually done? "
Pretty much right on. I donated to both when they were in single digits in their Senate race primary and barely on the radar. But while I gave more at the time to Rubio as the Senator representing me, I always liked Cruz more.
Check out how many days a year a legislator in Florida works. Slightly more than a teacher on summer break, but not by much.
Rubio has a little bit of that slack thing going on, like Obama, showing up and smiling. Which would be good if he was our Obama ... but he's not quite. He won't push the envelope and burn anything down.
The Cruz Missile is a hard worker. No one has ever seen him come less than way over-prepared on his arguments before the Supreme court or any of the legal work he does. He is meticulous and impressive. As much as a lawyer can be, since its not my favorite profession. But he's done a heckuva a lot more with it than Rubio has done with his act.
Beyond that, I would bet money on Cruz really being willing to let some things burn in DC to get what we want. Rubio, not so much. If you call eliminating deadweight agencies "doing", I'm skeptical on most candidates doing anything but I would put money on Ted being among the more likely to take it all the way to "you are going to have to override my veto if I don't get what I want" than Mr. Rubio.
No way to know for sure until one of them is in, but that's where I'd be betting my money.
Posted by: PrincetonBob at December 01, 2015 01:51 PM (rPugI)
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Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 01:47 PM (YjDyJ)
So he in the Univision statement he stated that he opposed amnesty? Is that what you are telling me?
So he in the Univision statement he stated that he opposed amnesty? Is that what you are telling me?
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at December 01, 2015 01:51 PM (+Q9b4)
454
Princess L, Elle on December 01, 2015 said: "Trump is going to win the nomination."
Cue the Vader theme.
Cue the Vader theme.
Posted by: GOPe at December 01, 2015 01:51 PM (nSW/N)
455
"If anyone is suffering from some sort of syndrome it's those who claim to be strident conservatives and are supporting Trump"
Do we have to say this again? This is not a difficult concept. Conservatives supporting Trump are not supporting Trump because they think he is some Super Conservative Savior. They are supporting Trump because he pisses off the SOBs in the GOPe who've screwed them over again and again and again for the past 8 years.
He is intended to cause pain.
Posted by: Lauren at December 01, 2015 01:45 PM (Z/8dZ)
Trump may be a lying Son of a Bitch. BUT,
I know John McCain is a lying Son of a Bitch.
I know John Boehner is a lying Son of a Bitch.
I know Bitch McConnell is a lying Son of a Bitch.
I know Marco Rubio is a lying Son of a Bitch.
I will take my chances with Trump. Besides he pisses off the people I hate.
Do we have to say this again? This is not a difficult concept. Conservatives supporting Trump are not supporting Trump because they think he is some Super Conservative Savior. They are supporting Trump because he pisses off the SOBs in the GOPe who've screwed them over again and again and again for the past 8 years.
He is intended to cause pain.
Posted by: Lauren at December 01, 2015 01:45 PM (Z/8dZ)
Trump may be a lying Son of a Bitch. BUT,
I know John McCain is a lying Son of a Bitch.
I know John Boehner is a lying Son of a Bitch.
I know Bitch McConnell is a lying Son of a Bitch.
I know Marco Rubio is a lying Son of a Bitch.
I will take my chances with Trump. Besides he pisses off the people I hate.
Posted by: rd at December 01, 2015 01:51 PM (Ltj2h)
456
or dysfunctional coping mechanism. Such a fine line.
Posted by: simplemind
"even that can work until it doesn't."
Yup. The speed of the collapse is only thing at issue now. Blame them all, or blame the voters,blame won't matter in the end. In the end it will all be history.
The things that matter are under your own roof. Not a politician or a political party. Make friends of people who know how to do stuff. Pray. By all means vote. But the US governmentis about as functional as the Cleveland Browns. When you are sitting therethinking: Okay,the worst thing that can happen is we end upmissing the kick and going into overtime . . . nope. It. can. always. be. worse.
or dysfunctional coping mechanism. Such a fine line.
Posted by: simplemind
"even that can work until it doesn't."
Yup. The speed of the collapse is only thing at issue now. Blame them all, or blame the voters,blame won't matter in the end. In the end it will all be history.
The things that matter are under your own roof. Not a politician or a political party. Make friends of people who know how to do stuff. Pray. By all means vote. But the US governmentis about as functional as the Cleveland Browns. When you are sitting therethinking: Okay,the worst thing that can happen is we end upmissing the kick and going into overtime . . . nope. It. can. always. be. worse.
Posted by: simplemind at December 01, 2015 01:51 PM (JTwsP)
457
Did anyone else take Freedom Munitions up on their black friday sale? I wasn't planning on spending the money, but damn I got a good deal on a couple thousand rounds of new .45.
Posted by: Chupacabra at December 01, 2015 01:51 PM (5npD/)
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There are some people who do really love and support Trump who really ought to know better. They are otherwise and previously very conservative but have gone nuts full in on Trump as the savior of the nation and our future. I get enjoying watching him kick the GOPe in the furry mangerines, but seriously, he's at best a flip flopping greedy bastard.
If it came down to Hillary vs Trump, at least he's not a treasonous communist bastard, and that's the best you can say. But don't fall into the trap of worshiping a politician, no matter who it is.
If it came down to Hillary vs Trump, at least he's not a treasonous communist bastard, and that's the best you can say. But don't fall into the trap of worshiping a politician, no matter who it is.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 01, 2015 01:51 PM (39g3+)
459
No one in the Republican field can win the election because the brand has been poisoned beyond use. Leftist control of the academy, media, and entertainment has poisoned it for centrists, and the party's own behavior has poisoned it for conservatives.
Cruz can't win. Rubio can't win. The fact that Jeb is even running tells you everything you need to know about the establishment.
Trump can win precisely because he isn't a republican. So stop trying to scare me with that.
Cruz can't win. Rubio can't win. The fact that Jeb is even running tells you everything you need to know about the establishment.
Trump can win precisely because he isn't a republican. So stop trying to scare me with that.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 01, 2015 01:52 PM (FfVIs)
460
"Conservatives supporting Trump are not supporting Trump because they
think he is some Super Conservative Savior. They are supporting Trump
because he pisses off the SOBs in the GOPe who've screwed them over
again and again and again for the past 8 years. He is intended to cause pain."
As the ancient prophecies foretold.
"He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms."
"During the rectification of the Vuldronaii, the Traveller came as a large moving Torb! Then during the third reconciliation of the last of the Meketrex supplicants, they chose a new form for him, that of a giant Sloar!"
"Many Shubs and Zuuls knew what it was to to be roasted in the depths of a Sloar that day, I can tell you!"
Many DIABLOs and RINOs and K Street lobbyists and Beltway establishment hacks will know what it is to be roasted in the depths of a Trump? Hmmmmmmm.
::: steeples fingers :::
Tell me more.
think he is some Super Conservative Savior. They are supporting Trump
because he pisses off the SOBs in the GOPe who've screwed them over
again and again and again for the past 8 years. He is intended to cause pain."
As the ancient prophecies foretold.
"He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms."
"During the rectification of the Vuldronaii, the Traveller came as a large moving Torb! Then during the third reconciliation of the last of the Meketrex supplicants, they chose a new form for him, that of a giant Sloar!"
"Many Shubs and Zuuls knew what it was to to be roasted in the depths of a Sloar that day, I can tell you!"
Many DIABLOs and RINOs and K Street lobbyists and Beltway establishment hacks will know what it is to be roasted in the depths of a Trump? Hmmmmmmm.
::: steeples fingers :::
Tell me more.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 01, 2015 01:52 PM (noWW6)
461
Chris he isn't a politician.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 01, 2015 01:52 PM (FfVIs)
462
Cruz is being smart here, positioning himself to be Trumps VP/Attack dog.
That would make one hell of a Team.
That would make one hell of a Team.
Posted by: Kreplach at December 01, 2015 01:52 PM (yK4J6)
463
You know who also pisses them off? Cruz. And he actually appears to be a conservative. That's where I would expect most actual conservative voters to land.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 01, 2015 01:49 PM (/tuJf)
Yup
Posted by: JackStraw at December 01, 2015 01:49 PM (/tuJf)
Yup
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 01, 2015 01:52 PM (gf8BH)
464
Rubio CANNOT beat Hillary! She will rip him to shreds with the help of the media. She may be old, occasionally confused, dumpy, unattractive, mendacious, and none too bright, but, she is vicious, unprincipled, and will stop at nothing to win.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at December 01, 2015 01:53 PM (kXoT0)
465
simplemind, it can i agree, i hope we can stave off the worst. time will tell.
Posted by: willow at December 01, 2015 01:53 PM (CNua6)
466
I want Trump to clear the battle space: I want him to F*CK SH*T UP
I want CNN pissing in their panties every day; I want Fox News ( queen of the Enablers ) to do likewise, only many a coupla times a week; I want the Dems to foam and froth and stroke out in faux-rage every time Trump opens his purty mouth
then, yeah, Cruz can swoop in among the Debris
I want CNN pissing in their panties every day; I want Fox News ( queen of the Enablers ) to do likewise, only many a coupla times a week; I want the Dems to foam and froth and stroke out in faux-rage every time Trump opens his purty mouth
then, yeah, Cruz can swoop in among the Debris
Posted by: Lou Reed, life coach to the stars at December 01, 2015 01:54 PM (8CdUx)
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451 KHAZZAD BAZZAK!!! KHAZZAD DHUM!!!
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 01, 2015 01:51 PM (gu+HT)
I think technically you meant "Baruk Khazad! Khazad Ai-menu!"
*sips from large ornate gem-studded chalice*
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 01, 2015 01:51 PM (gu+HT)
I think technically you meant "Baruk Khazad! Khazad Ai-menu!"
*sips from large ornate gem-studded chalice*
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 01, 2015 01:54 PM (FfVIs)
468
Have not seen any dumb-ass remarks from Clogginstein for over amonth. Has it been banned from the website? I miss reading it's stupidity.....
Posted by: SAC Vark Flyer at December 01, 2015 01:54 PM (9SmlB)
469
Juan McCain has come out and blamed Trump's
I voted for McCain to die. He has yet to fulfill that campaign promise. Not a constituent so I don't get serviced.
I voted for McCain to die. He has yet to fulfill that campaign promise. Not a constituent so I don't get serviced.
Posted by: DaveA at December 01, 2015 01:54 PM (DL2i+)
470
Meanwhile, Cruz gets hit with an absolutely obvious gotcha question by Kasie Hunt of NBC: define "amnesty". Simple as that.>>>
For this kinda gotcha question the response should be to pull out their phone and say "Siri Define Amnesty?"
For this kinda gotcha question the response should be to pull out their phone and say "Siri Define Amnesty?"
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 01, 2015 01:54 PM (XtAzU)
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445 He is also intended to get things done. That's something today's crop of True Conservatives, addicted to parsing every word of the Federalist Papers and yammering each issue to death, have lost the ability to do.
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I'd feel better if he was going to get some things undone, but, OK, I'll admit my second choice is to have a quiet president who doesn't get many "things done".
Your choice runs a distant third.
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I'd feel better if he was going to get some things undone, but, OK, I'll admit my second choice is to have a quiet president who doesn't get many "things done".
Your choice runs a distant third.
Posted by: MTF at December 01, 2015 01:55 PM (TxJGV)
472
438
Some serious gun-dick stroking seems to get a new post up, too.
Posted by: Chupacabra at December 01, 2015 01:49 PM (5npD/)
How about this pistol?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_SCAMP
1970's precursor to PDW concept. Firing 221 Rem. Fireball-like cartridge. 20+ Rounds. Select fire including burst. No shoulder thing that goes up, though.
Some serious gun-dick stroking seems to get a new post up, too.
Posted by: Chupacabra at December 01, 2015 01:49 PM (5npD/)
How about this pistol?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_SCAMP
1970's precursor to PDW concept. Firing 221 Rem. Fireball-like cartridge. 20+ Rounds. Select fire including burst. No shoulder thing that goes up, though.
Posted by: rebel flounder at December 01, 2015 01:55 PM (3dOE/)
473
I'll take British Naval phrases for 800, Tre-beck!
Posted by: Sean Connery at December 01, 2015 01:55 PM (39g3+)
474
The fact is, Rubio and Cruz are both essentially telling the truth and actually highlighting differences between them. I'm thrilled.
I do view Rubio as the weaker candidate, largely for these reasons. He's quick to enable NSA and similar data gathering, and quick to intervene. He's a conservative in the "GWBush mold." Compared to what we have now, that would be awesome... at least he'd act intelligently, if not completely aligned with my own preferences.
I prefer Cruz's approach. He's right re: Libya - we have no business there, even now. The trouble is, President Mommy Pants has gotten us involved so it's hard to disengage... but as Prez, I take Cruz's statements to mean "I wouldn't have engaged." That would have been the best policy, IMHO.
I think Rubio would have, just like I believe W would have. They would have done it smarter than Obama, of course, but still - I see no reason for us to be there.
I also reject the need for massive "surveillance" of everybody. It's gone far beyond just surveillance, when everyone is being watched. Let's leave the 85 year old Swedish grandmothers out of this, shall we? I don't need to know their meta-data, and nobody else does either...
I do view Rubio as the weaker candidate, largely for these reasons. He's quick to enable NSA and similar data gathering, and quick to intervene. He's a conservative in the "GWBush mold." Compared to what we have now, that would be awesome... at least he'd act intelligently, if not completely aligned with my own preferences.
I prefer Cruz's approach. He's right re: Libya - we have no business there, even now. The trouble is, President Mommy Pants has gotten us involved so it's hard to disengage... but as Prez, I take Cruz's statements to mean "I wouldn't have engaged." That would have been the best policy, IMHO.
I think Rubio would have, just like I believe W would have. They would have done it smarter than Obama, of course, but still - I see no reason for us to be there.
I also reject the need for massive "surveillance" of everybody. It's gone far beyond just surveillance, when everyone is being watched. Let's leave the 85 year old Swedish grandmothers out of this, shall we? I don't need to know their meta-data, and nobody else does either...
Posted by: RobM1981 at December 01, 2015 01:55 PM (zurJC)
475
468 Have not seen any dumb-ass remarks from Clogginstein for over amonth. Has it been banned from the website? I miss reading it's stupidity.....
Posted by: SAC Vark Flyer at December 01, 2015 01:54 PM (9SmlB)
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Oh, lord, it's a running gag by regulars on the site.
Posted by: SAC Vark Flyer at December 01, 2015 01:54 PM (9SmlB)
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Oh, lord, it's a running gag by regulars on the site.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 01, 2015 01:55 PM (iQIUe)
476
Begopedia?
Posted by: Boss Moss at December 01, 2015 01:55 PM (gu+HT)
477
440 Poetry.
Start posting crude doggerel.
Authentic frontier gibberish.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2015 01:48 PM (+ZSW1)
So Brokeback Mountain Cowboy Poetry?
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at December 01, 2015 01:49 PM (kXoT0)
There once a shepherd from Essex
Who was up for some of the buttsecks.
He mounted his bud
While yanking his pud
And yelled ______________
(It's a puzzle. Fill in the blank)
Start posting crude doggerel.
Authentic frontier gibberish.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2015 01:48 PM (+ZSW1)
So Brokeback Mountain Cowboy Poetry?
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at December 01, 2015 01:49 PM (kXoT0)
There once a shepherd from Essex
Who was up for some of the buttsecks.
He mounted his bud
While yanking his pud
And yelled ______________
(It's a puzzle. Fill in the blank)
Posted by: A Guy from Nantucket at December 01, 2015 01:56 PM (RD7QR)
478
For this kinda gotcha question the response should be to pull out their phone and say "Siri Define Amnesty?"
And, if you're not a douchebag hipster, you say "Cortana, define Amnesty"
And, if you're not a douchebag hipster, you say "Cortana, define Amnesty"
Posted by: Sean Connery at December 01, 2015 01:56 PM (39g3+)
479
You know the primary person people hurt when they value revenge over justice? Themselves.
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I'll take my sweet revenge now. The GOPe deserve it. And it can't hurt me any more than what's happening in DC anyway.
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I'll take my sweet revenge now. The GOPe deserve it. And it can't hurt me any more than what's happening in DC anyway.
Posted by: Soona at December 01, 2015 01:57 PM (Fmupd)
480
Yeah, that's pretty gun-dicky.
Posted by: Chupacabra at December 01, 2015 01:57 PM (5npD/)
481
Trump has articulated multiple policy positions on his site. It's far from exhaustive, but we're 13 months out, so that doesn't bother me.
If you won't take them as sincere then I'm not sure why we're arguing. If he comes out in favor of conservative positions will you take another look? Or are you simply justifying an aesthetic preference?
If you won't take them as sincere then I'm not sure why we're arguing. If he comes out in favor of conservative positions will you take another look? Or are you simply justifying an aesthetic preference?
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 01, 2015 01:58 PM (FfVIs)
482
Totall O/T: Why does Obama insist on jigging up/down the stairs of AF1? Does he think this makes him look energetic or something?
They just showed him jogging up the stairs and he always looks like such a....goofball, always with his arms bent, forearms forward (couldn't see if the wrists were a-flappin' as they do when he descends).
They just showed him jogging up the stairs and he always looks like such a....goofball, always with his arms bent, forearms forward (couldn't see if the wrists were a-flappin' as they do when he descends).
Posted by: Lizzy at December 01, 2015 01:58 PM (NOIQH)
483
473 I'll take British Naval phrases for 800, Tre-beck!
Posted by: Sean Connery
Touch hole.
"What is your mother, Trebeck!"
--Sean Connery
Posted by: Sean Connery
Touch hole.
"What is your mother, Trebeck!"
--Sean Connery
Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2015 01:58 PM (+ZSW1)
484
"You know the primary person people hurt when they value revenge over justice? Themselves."
Nope. You don't get it. The GOPe has nothing to offer us. We know that they are lying and have no intention of representing our interest. Thus there is no reason to vote for them. None at all. We have nothing to gain by supporting them. Thus, with nothing to gain by supporting either the GOPe candidate or the Dem candidate, we are left with one thing. Revenge. WE can cause pain. And it is oh so very worth it.
Now, like I said. I still hold out the sliver of hope that Cruz could actually be different. I know many disagree with that assessment though, and I can't fault them for it given that every single politician we've ever thought was different has turned out to be more of the same.
Anyway, there is freedom that comes when you realize that you now hold the power. The GOPe has nothing to give you, but need your vote. And you stand over them and tell them "No."
Nope. You don't get it. The GOPe has nothing to offer us. We know that they are lying and have no intention of representing our interest. Thus there is no reason to vote for them. None at all. We have nothing to gain by supporting them. Thus, with nothing to gain by supporting either the GOPe candidate or the Dem candidate, we are left with one thing. Revenge. WE can cause pain. And it is oh so very worth it.
Now, like I said. I still hold out the sliver of hope that Cruz could actually be different. I know many disagree with that assessment though, and I can't fault them for it given that every single politician we've ever thought was different has turned out to be more of the same.
Anyway, there is freedom that comes when you realize that you now hold the power. The GOPe has nothing to give you, but need your vote. And you stand over them and tell them "No."
Posted by: Lauren at December 01, 2015 01:58 PM (Z/8dZ)
485
And, if you're not a douchebag hipster, you say "Cortana, define Amnesty">>>
Being old all my tech knowledge comes from movies so Siri is the only one I know.
Being old all my tech knowledge comes from movies so Siri is the only one I know.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 01, 2015 01:58 PM (XtAzU)
486
*strokes gun dick furiously*
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at December 01, 2015 01:58 PM (/Ho8c)
487
There once a shepherd from Essex
Who was up for some of the buttsecks.
He mounted his bud
While yanking his pud
And yelled ______________
"Siri fill in blank."
Who was up for some of the buttsecks.
He mounted his bud
While yanking his pud
And yelled ______________
"Siri fill in blank."
Posted by: eleven at December 01, 2015 01:59 PM (rjtGa)
488
453 So he in the Univision statement he stated that he opposed amnesty? Is that what you are telling me?
The purpose of posting the headline was so that you would actually read the article.
The purpose of posting the headline was so that you would actually read the article.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 02:00 PM (YjDyJ)
489
Being old all my tech knowledge comes from movies so Siri is the only one I know.
Posted by: Buzzsaw
Ask Jeeves.
Posted by: Buzzsaw
Ask Jeeves.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 01, 2015 02:00 PM (FkBIv)
490
Miss80s, you sound like you're on Dondi's payroll. Just sayin.
Posted by: L, Elle at December 01, 2015 02:00 PM (2x3L+)
491
I had Window's phones from 7 up to 8.1, and I'll merrily say that Cortana can go fist herself.
Posted by: Chupacabra at December 01, 2015 02:00 PM (5npD/)
492
Trump has articulated multiple policy positions on his site. It's far from exhaustive, but we're 13 months out, so that doesn't bother me.
Well, let's be honest, his peeps wrote all that. Trump has had to check with them to correct his statements to be more conservative-palatable in the past. I honestly think the guy is pretty apolitical, and views the presidency as one more big win like the top end moguls view life as. Its not so much the money as winning and beating everyone else.
Well, let's be honest, his peeps wrote all that. Trump has had to check with them to correct his statements to be more conservative-palatable in the past. I honestly think the guy is pretty apolitical, and views the presidency as one more big win like the top end moguls view life as. Its not so much the money as winning and beating everyone else.
Posted by: Sean Connery at December 01, 2015 02:00 PM (39g3+)
493
nood
Posted by: rd at December 01, 2015 02:00 PM (Ltj2h)
494
They just showed him jogging up the stairs and he
always looks like such a....goofball, always with his arms bent,
forearms forward (couldn't see if the wrists were a-flappin' as they do
when he descends).
Posted by: Lizzy at December 01, 2015 01:58 PM
I would much rather see Tricky Dick making his dumb "V"-signs from the top of the steps.
And I really, really disliked Nixon. Until Choom Boy came along, I would have rated him as damn near the worst president evah.
always looks like such a....goofball, always with his arms bent,
forearms forward (couldn't see if the wrists were a-flappin' as they do
when he descends).
Posted by: Lizzy at December 01, 2015 01:58 PM
I would much rather see Tricky Dick making his dumb "V"-signs from the top of the steps.
And I really, really disliked Nixon. Until Choom Boy came along, I would have rated him as damn near the worst president evah.
Posted by: MrScribbler at December 01, 2015 02:00 PM (dbC6X)
495
They are supporting Trump
because he pisses off the SOBs in the GOPe who've screwed them over
again and again and again for the past 8 years.
8 years? Think back to who won in 1988.
because he pisses off the SOBs in the GOPe who've screwed them over
again and again and again for the past 8 years.
8 years? Think back to who won in 1988.
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at December 01, 2015 02:00 PM (k9qR4)
496
484 "You know the primary person people hurt when they value revenge over justice? Themselves."
Nope. You don't get it. The GOPe has nothing to offer us. We know that they are lying and have no intention of representing our interest. Thus there is no reason to vote for them. None at all. We have nothing to gain by supporting them. Thus, with nothing to gain by supporting either the GOPe candidate or the Dem candidate, we are left with one thing. Revenge. WE can cause pain. And it is oh so very worth it.
THREADWINNER! Cut. Jib. Newsletter.
Nope. You don't get it. The GOPe has nothing to offer us. We know that they are lying and have no intention of representing our interest. Thus there is no reason to vote for them. None at all. We have nothing to gain by supporting them. Thus, with nothing to gain by supporting either the GOPe candidate or the Dem candidate, we are left with one thing. Revenge. WE can cause pain. And it is oh so very worth it.
THREADWINNER! Cut. Jib. Newsletter.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 01, 2015 02:00 PM (+ZSW1)
497
Discovered: the reason the bear attacked Leo. He was asking for it with these boxers on
http://tinyurl.com/hznpdjz
http://tinyurl.com/hznpdjz
Posted by: Sean Connery at December 01, 2015 02:01 PM (39g3+)
498
I'll take my sweet revenge now. The GOPe deserve it. And it can't hurt me any more than what's happening in DC anyway.
Posted by: Soona at December 01, 2015 01:57 PM (Fmupd)
EXACTLY.
BTW, have any of you taken steps to get on Election Boards if you live in areas where fraud is rampant? There was a lot of vote fraud in 2012 and there will be more in this election.
I thank God that I live in Oklahoma where we reformed our voting decades ago. Honest voting has led to complete domination of the state by actual Conservatives--all Federal offices, both houses of the legislature, and the Governor.
Posted by: Soona at December 01, 2015 01:57 PM (Fmupd)
EXACTLY.
BTW, have any of you taken steps to get on Election Boards if you live in areas where fraud is rampant? There was a lot of vote fraud in 2012 and there will be more in this election.
I thank God that I live in Oklahoma where we reformed our voting decades ago. Honest voting has led to complete domination of the state by actual Conservatives--all Federal offices, both houses of the legislature, and the Governor.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at December 01, 2015 02:01 PM (kXoT0)
499
Whadya know? Gun dick stroking produced a nood.
Posted by: rebel flounder at December 01, 2015 02:01 PM (3dOE/)
500
then, yeah, Cruz can swoop in among the Debris
Posted by: Lou Reed, life coach to the stars
I'm right there with you.
Posted by: Lou Reed, life coach to the stars
I'm right there with you.
Posted by: Cheri at December 01, 2015 02:01 PM (oiNtH)
501
CBS News is now referring to the PP undercover videos as "now discredited". Yeah? When did that happen?
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 01, 2015 02:01 PM (IWLe1)
502
" You know who also pisses them off? Cruz. And he actually appears to be a conservative. That's where I would expect most actual conservative voters to land."
Oh, I agree. That's why I support him. I just can't fault those who are still reveling in causing more GOPe pain 13 months out from the election. They are making Cruz seem more acceptable to the GOPe which is fantastic.
Oh, I agree. That's why I support him. I just can't fault those who are still reveling in causing more GOPe pain 13 months out from the election. They are making Cruz seem more acceptable to the GOPe which is fantastic.
Posted by: Lauren at December 01, 2015 02:01 PM (Z/8dZ)
503
May have been said already, but the purpose of mass collection of private data was never meant for national security reasons.
May have been said already, but the purpose of mass collection of private data was never meant for national security reasons.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 01, 2015 02:01 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: Lauren at December 01, 2015 02:02 PM (Z/8dZ)
505
I think, behind the scenes, the shit is heating up between Russia and Turkey.
Posted by: Soona at December 01, 2015 02:03 PM (Fmupd)
506
You know the primary person people hurt when they value revenge over justice? Themselves.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 01:49 PM (YjDyJ)
And that's why I'm voting Trump. Justice.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 01:49 PM (YjDyJ)
And that's why I'm voting Trump. Justice.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at December 01, 2015 02:03 PM (0NdlF)
507
The GOPe has nothing to give you, but need your vote. And you stand over them and tell them "No."
Posted by: Lauren at December 01, 2015 01:58 PM (Z/8dZ)
And our money, the Republican rank and file reliably ponied up money for decades to fund the Party as it drifted further and further into the firm control of the Beltway. I really enjoy denying them my money and telling them why.
Posted by: Lauren at December 01, 2015 01:58 PM (Z/8dZ)
And our money, the Republican rank and file reliably ponied up money for decades to fund the Party as it drifted further and further into the firm control of the Beltway. I really enjoy denying them my money and telling them why.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at December 01, 2015 02:04 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at December 01, 2015 02:05 PM (/Ho8c)
509
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 01, 2015 01:58 PM (FfVIs)
I'm not going to support someone who is in favor of Universal Healthcare in the manner of England / Canada or someone who supports Kelo. Support for both of those issues are diametrically opposed to my definition of being an American.
I'm not going to support someone who is in favor of Universal Healthcare in the manner of England / Canada or someone who supports Kelo. Support for both of those issues are diametrically opposed to my definition of being an American.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at December 01, 2015 02:05 PM (+Q9b4)
510
When did that happen?
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 01, 2015 02:01 PM (IWLe1)
When the CEO (Chop Every Opportunity) Richards said so.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at December 01, 2015 02:01 PM (IWLe1)
When the CEO (Chop Every Opportunity) Richards said so.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at December 01, 2015 02:05 PM (kXoT0)
511
447 378 304 So that question and attitude isn't applied to all the other candidates? Isn't that the reason we have a prez election every four years? Face it. Presidential elections have always been a crap shoot. No matter what they've said or done before, except for one: Baraka Hussein Sotero. We knew who he was and what he'd do back in 2008. He made it very clear.
Trump has flip-flopped more than John Kerry, though he is more consistent on liberal issues such as universal healthcare and eminent domain. Frankly, I find the idea that you are only a true conservative if you vote for the most liberal man in the Republican primary laughable. Oh, and that nonsense about allowing the SCOAMF to become president so that another Reagan would come riding to the rescue? It never happened.
Trump has flip-flopped more than John Kerry, though he is more consistent on liberal issues such as universal healthcare and eminent domain. Frankly, I find the idea that you are only a true conservative if you vote for the most liberal man in the Republican primary laughable. Oh, and that nonsense about allowing the SCOAMF to become president so that another Reagan would come riding to the rescue? It never happened.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 02:06 PM (YjDyJ)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at December 01, 2015 02:08 PM (+Q9b4)
513
HE COULD ACTUALLY WIN, WHAT ARE YOU ALL WAITING FOR?! AM I TAKING CRAZY PILLS?!?!
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 01, 2015 01:21 PM (FfVIs)
____________________
Yes....
*hic*
HE COULD ACTUALLY WIN, WHAT ARE YOU ALL WAITING FOR?! AM I TAKING CRAZY PILLS?!?!
Posted by: Ghost of kari at December 01, 2015 01:21 PM (FfVIs)
____________________
Yes....
*hic*
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at December 01, 2015 02:12 PM (HSmrB)
514
Russia v Turkey.
Josh Painter reference.
Vlad wants that. He needs that. Nato finished. Then he willannex eastern European countrieswithout firing a shot. Just finger wagging and scolding about how he's behind the arc of history or something. If you have relatives in easternEurope, visit now.They'll want to be visitingyou next year, and staying.
Russia v Turkey.
Josh Painter reference.
Vlad wants that. He needs that. Nato finished. Then he willannex eastern European countrieswithout firing a shot. Just finger wagging and scolding about how he's behind the arc of history or something. If you have relatives in easternEurope, visit now.They'll want to be visitingyou next year, and staying.
Posted by: simplemind at December 01, 2015 02:14 PM (JTwsP)
515
484 Nope. You don't get it. The GOPe has nothing to offer us. We know that they are lying and have no intention of representing our interest. Thus there is no reason to vote for them. None at all. We have nothing to gain by supporting them. Thus, with nothing to gain by supporting either the GOPe candidate or the Dem candidate, we are left with one thing. Revenge. WE can cause pain. And it is oh so very worth it.
That is the exact same twisted logic I heard in 2008 and 2012 regarding the SCOAMF, yet it was the ordinary people who got hurt. If you actually want more of what we have seen under this Administration and that hurting people is somehow enjoyable, then there is no reasoning with you. Furthermore, if you think that is a Christian attitude, read Mark 12: 28-34.
That is the exact same twisted logic I heard in 2008 and 2012 regarding the SCOAMF, yet it was the ordinary people who got hurt. If you actually want more of what we have seen under this Administration and that hurting people is somehow enjoyable, then there is no reasoning with you. Furthermore, if you think that is a Christian attitude, read Mark 12: 28-34.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 02:14 PM (YjDyJ)
516
512 I want to hear you say it.
You want me to say that the article linked in my signature proves that Rubio opposed the SCOAMF's executive amnesty in both English and Spanish? Okay, the article linked in my signature proves that Rubio opposed the SCOAMF's amnesty in both English and Spanish, which you would have known had you bothered to read it.
You want me to say that the article linked in my signature proves that Rubio opposed the SCOAMF's executive amnesty in both English and Spanish? Okay, the article linked in my signature proves that Rubio opposed the SCOAMF's amnesty in both English and Spanish, which you would have known had you bothered to read it.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 02:21 PM (YjDyJ)
517
Scold!
Scold!
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at December 01, 2015 02:23 PM (iQIUe)
518
He is intended to cause pain.
Posted by: Lauren at December 01, 2015 01:45 PM
He is also intended to get things done.
That's something today's crop of True Conservatives, addicted to
parsing every word of the Federalist Papers and yammering each issue to
death, have lost the ability to do.
If everything he accomplishes
doesn't meet Hard-Core Standards, he'll still be light-years ahead of
everyone who today styles themselves a Conservative Politician.
Posted by: MrScribbler
==========
Exactly. I've long ranted about the worthlessness of the National Review style of conservative politics.
Someone who does 40% of what I agree with is better than someone who agrees with me 100% but does nothing.
And the current GOPe is filled top to bottom with talkers who will NEVER do anything.
There are a lot of fine generals on paper. Very few of them are actually willing to fight.
Posted by: Lauren at December 01, 2015 01:45 PM
He is also intended to get things done.
That's something today's crop of True Conservatives, addicted to
parsing every word of the Federalist Papers and yammering each issue to
death, have lost the ability to do.
If everything he accomplishes
doesn't meet Hard-Core Standards, he'll still be light-years ahead of
everyone who today styles themselves a Conservative Politician.
Posted by: MrScribbler
==========
Exactly. I've long ranted about the worthlessness of the National Review style of conservative politics.
Someone who does 40% of what I agree with is better than someone who agrees with me 100% but does nothing.
And the current GOPe is filled top to bottom with talkers who will NEVER do anything.
There are a lot of fine generals on paper. Very few of them are actually willing to fight.
Posted by: RoyalOil at December 01, 2015 02:23 PM (fQ/0p)
519
"That is the exact same twisted logic I heard in 2008 and 2012 regarding the SCOAMF, yet it was the ordinary people who got hurt. If you actually want more of what we have seen under this Administration and that hurting people is somehow enjoyable, then there is no reasoning with you. Furthermore, if you think that is a Christian attitude, read Mark 12: 28-34"
This is a great example.
So there are a good number of republican voters who are thinking this way. The reasoning being that the GOP has to win even though they don't do anything they claim they will do, becausethey are better than Hillary. They are marginally better than Hillary. She's a vindictive, lyingdrunk.
This is not illogical. It is wildly hopeful however. It is bargaining. Sure the Browns theoretically could win their next five games. History however suggests this is unlikely. Would that it were not true. Agreed.
Nevertheless. When your team sucks and you keep buying their tickets despitedecades of suckingyou are a fan. A fanatic. Your enthusiasm is basedon hope, not logic.And subsidizing failure gets you more failure.
"That is the exact same twisted logic I heard in 2008 and 2012 regarding the SCOAMF, yet it was the ordinary people who got hurt. If you actually want more of what we have seen under this Administration and that hurting people is somehow enjoyable, then there is no reasoning with you. Furthermore, if you think that is a Christian attitude, read Mark 12: 28-34"
This is a great example.
So there are a good number of republican voters who are thinking this way. The reasoning being that the GOP has to win even though they don't do anything they claim they will do, becausethey are better than Hillary. They are marginally better than Hillary. She's a vindictive, lyingdrunk.
This is not illogical. It is wildly hopeful however. It is bargaining. Sure the Browns theoretically could win their next five games. History however suggests this is unlikely. Would that it were not true. Agreed.
Nevertheless. When your team sucks and you keep buying their tickets despitedecades of suckingyou are a fan. A fanatic. Your enthusiasm is basedon hope, not logic.And subsidizing failure gets you more failure.
Posted by: simplemind at December 01, 2015 02:24 PM (JTwsP)
520
"If Benghazi is primarily a policy failure, then the Administration cannot be blamed for their failures in judgment prior, during, and after the attacks. "
This is a ridiculous line of reasoning. Toppling Qaddafi was indeed a policy failure. The failure to protect the embassy was also a failure of corruption and responsibility. The failure during the attack was something even worse, and the failure in the aftermath was pure corruption and ass covering.
It's not remotely as though Cruz's argument about Rubio's misjudgment somehow mitigates the rest of the trainwreck. Why on earth would it?
This is a ridiculous line of reasoning. Toppling Qaddafi was indeed a policy failure. The failure to protect the embassy was also a failure of corruption and responsibility. The failure during the attack was something even worse, and the failure in the aftermath was pure corruption and ass covering.
It's not remotely as though Cruz's argument about Rubio's misjudgment somehow mitigates the rest of the trainwreck. Why on earth would it?
Posted by: Dustin at December 01, 2015 02:26 PM (a7sQX)
Posted by: simplemind at December 01, 2015 02:28 PM (JTwsP)
522
Hitler interviews Hillary, yet another paradoy, to end this thread?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UF8Fj9vTLk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UF8Fj9vTLk
Posted by: Colin at December 01, 2015 02:28 PM (T3Tpd)
523
Sorry Jay but Trump's adversaries in the business world aren't afraid of Trump. That include the big donors.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at December 01, 2015 01:14 PM (+Q9b4)
Then why are they funding so much anti-Trump propaganda?
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at December 01, 2015 01:14 PM (+Q9b4)
Then why are they funding so much anti-Trump propaganda?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 01, 2015 02:31 PM (7MWCL)
524
519 ...They are marginally better than Hillary...
If you can compare/contrast Cruz and Rubio's respective political records with Hillary's and still tell me that they are only "marginally better than Hillary", then that decision has everything to do with emotion and nothing to do with logic. I miss the conservative movement that valued logic and emotion equally. Now certain conservative thought leaders practically sound like SJWs.
If you can compare/contrast Cruz and Rubio's respective political records with Hillary's and still tell me that they are only "marginally better than Hillary", then that decision has everything to do with emotion and nothing to do with logic. I miss the conservative movement that valued logic and emotion equally. Now certain conservative thought leaders practically sound like SJWs.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 02:37 PM (YjDyJ)
525
Read kids names in photo.
http://tinyurl.com/gsrnwmh
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 01, 2015 01:29 PM (jJRIy)
Clearly all the AOS ampersands defected to CLT, and are identifying as apostrophes!
http://tinyurl.com/gsrnwmh
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 01, 2015 01:29 PM (jJRIy)
Clearly all the AOS ampersands defected to CLT, and are identifying as apostrophes!
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 01, 2015 02:41 PM (7MWCL)
526
Does anybody actually like Cruz? I find him very unlikable, he comes off almost sleazy to me. I would pretty much vote for any of these guys (or gal) over Hillary, except for maybe Pataki. But Cruz just rubs me the wrong way, despite me agreeing with him on almost every issue. I'm sure that's why he can't rise much in the polls.
Posted by: rexbatt at December 01, 2015 02:45 PM (woA40)
527
526 Does anybody actually like Cruz? I find him very unlikable, he comes off almost sleazy to me. I would pretty much vote for any of these guys (or gal) over Hillary, except for maybe Pataki. But Cruz just rubs me the wrong way, despite me agreeing with him on almost every issue. I'm sure that's why he can't rise much in the polls.
Posted by: rexbatt at December 01, 2015 02:45 PM (woA40)
----------------
I find him sleazy too.
Also the man has been angling for the Presidency since high school and a career politician.
Posted by: rexbatt at December 01, 2015 02:45 PM (woA40)
----------------
I find him sleazy too.
Also the man has been angling for the Presidency since high school and a career politician.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at December 01, 2015 02:50 PM (LXJ1e)
528
Jeane Kirkpayrick's essay in Commentary "Dictators and Double Standards" sheds light on Cruz's thinking.
Posted by: GKChesterton at December 01, 2015 02:50 PM (MoCg1)
529
426, How do you figure that Hillary would RIP Rubio to shreads? Have you NOT been watching the debates. I'd say Rubio has won or been in the top 2 or 3 in every single one. And he's not afraid to bring up all her law breaking.
Posted by: rexbatt at December 01, 2015 02:55 PM (woA40)
530
The purpose of posting the headline was so that you would actually read the article.
Posted by: miss80'sbaby at December 01, 2015 02:00 PM (YjDyJ)
Last week you told us that the Breitbart site was full of shit. So I don't go there anymore.
Posted by: miss80'sbaby at December 01, 2015 02:00 PM (YjDyJ)
Last week you told us that the Breitbart site was full of shit. So I don't go there anymore.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 01, 2015 02:59 PM (7MWCL)
531
237 I have never said, implied or even thought you were a troll. But now that you mention it, you seem to have the same distaste for Cruz that the Bushes do. Which I don't understand especially since you voted for him.
...yet I call on Jeb Bush to drop-out of the race every chance I get. That would make me an incredibly conflicted supporter.
...yet I call on Jeb Bush to drop-out of the race every chance I get. That would make me an incredibly conflicted supporter.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 03:03 PM (YjDyJ)
532
530 Last week you told us that the Breitbart site was full of shit.
A majority of their good writers have left the site.
A majority of their good writers have left the site.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at December 01, 2015 03:04 PM (YjDyJ)
533
When you correlate "marginally" with "vindictive lying drunk" you see that they don't correlate. Your cue to chuckle. My sarcasm powers are weak.
Neither Rubio or Cruz can get elected. The media will eat them.
The media has been trying to eat trump for months and can't chew him.
He's like a wad of disgusting gum.
So I get you.I mean you wouldn't chew a wad of disgustinggum if you really didn't have to would you? Many people see it as necessary at this point to make a really futile pointless gesture. If it also happens to get results that's nice, but not expected.
I wouldn't mind voting for somebody I liked. That just isn't one of the likely options open to me.
When you correlate "marginally" with "vindictive lying drunk" you see that they don't correlate. Your cue to chuckle. My sarcasm powers are weak.
Neither Rubio or Cruz can get elected. The media will eat them.
The media has been trying to eat trump for months and can't chew him.
He's like a wad of disgusting gum.
So I get you.I mean you wouldn't chew a wad of disgustinggum if you really didn't have to would you? Many people see it as necessary at this point to make a really futile pointless gesture. If it also happens to get results that's nice, but not expected.
I wouldn't mind voting for somebody I liked. That just isn't one of the likely options open to me.
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