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Chicago Releases Video of Police Shooting of Suspect; City Braces for Violence That Some Predict Could Be Described as "Tuesday"
The cop's being tried for murder.
Having watched the tape, what I see here is cause for arrest of Laquan McDonald. I don't see anything remotely threatening enough to justify a shooting. Apparently prosecuting someone for murder isn't enough. There must be riots. I guess I see the point of protests, but not riots. I assume we'll have riots, because of course we must have riots. At the Blaze, more graphic video, which includes the actual shooting. And he was shot at sixteen times, but I can't see how he was shot sixteen times. Looks like the first one two shots kills him. If he actually was shot sixteen times, then I guess he was being hit by bullets long before he falls to the ground. Update: ArthurK. says you can see the bullets hitting him when he's on the ground. Well, this won't be a long trial. Seems to Have Been Some Testi-Lying About the Shooting.Here's what Chicago police said on the shooting in 2014 via @chicagotribune Here's the video https://t.co/8nSPbo3N13 pic.twitter.com/zjR6piFKkX
— Tasneem N (@TasneemN) November 25, 2015Burger King came out publicly and stated that Chicago Police deleted their footage on the murder of #LaquanMcDonald pic.twitter.com/VFA3unJWps
— Shaun King (@ShaunKing) November 24, 2015Alvarez, in response to a question from NBC 5 Political Editor Carol Marin, said forensic testing was done on surveillance footage from a Burger King restaurant close to where the shooting took place to determine if the video had been "tampered with." "Forensic testing was done on the Burger King surveillance system to determine if anyone tampered with the evidence and the testing did not reveal any such evidence," she said. She declined to comment on which agency conducted the tests, however.I don't know who's right here, obviously. @JimmyPrinceton has asked on Twitter why the media isn't going after Mayor Rahm Emmanuel, who, after all, presides over this police department, and and the prosecutors, and etc.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 24, 2015 07:14 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Patrick in Michigan at November 24, 2015 07:35 PM (cudF1)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 24, 2015 07:37 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Roy at November 24, 2015 07:37 PM (VndSC)
Posted by: Lord Obama at November 24, 2015 07:38 PM (Uk9e2)
Posted by: Naes at November 24, 2015 07:38 PM (Ypc8j)
Posted by: Lea at November 24, 2015 07:39 PM (vmMMi)
Posted by: John K at November 24, 2015 07:39 PM (QolCq)
i hate to jump either way. i was wrong about trayvon if anyone remembers, i thought he was just a kid taking a short cut and blam for doing so.
Posted by: willow at November 24, 2015 07:40 PM (xpPRn)
No shots fired, but the police put up with plenty of shit.
Son said he sat on his balcony, "just in case the police needed me to smoke-check some asshole."
No thanks, son.
Our local paper had not a single mention of the mayhem. Not one.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 24, 2015 07:40 PM (FsuaD)
I'm pretty sure they riot - loot, rob, shoot and stab, every weekend and holiday, anyway.
Posted by: Mustapha Kunt -- With a Wang! at November 24, 2015 07:40 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2015 07:41 PM (e3bId)
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*tedious sigh*
Let's start with, it's a magazine, not a clip.
Posted by: Ken at November 24, 2015 07:41 PM (QolCq)
Posted by: Roy at November 24, 2015 07:41 PM (VndSC)
When black Friday comes, I'll collect everything I'm owed
And before my friends find out I'll be on the road
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 24, 2015 07:41 PM (FkBIv)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 24, 2015 07:42 PM (4ErVI)
They say there are no stupid questions... but I'm starting to regret asking.
Posted by: Naes at November 24, 2015 07:43 PM (Ypc8j)
Bigger story is the 5 blm-ers shot in Mnnpls after they swarmed, beat, and chased 4 guys who dared to film them.
Posted by: Mustapha Kunt -- With a Wang! at November 24, 2015 07:43 PM (iQIUe)
Anybody watch the brit comedy Catastrophe? It stars that ahole Rob Delaney but it is funny.
Posted by: Mustapha Kunt -- With a Wang! at November 24, 2015 07:44 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Read "The History of the 2nd Amendment" at November 24, 2015 07:45 PM (LHNU4)
Posted by: the billy goat at November 24, 2015 07:45 PM (REdlt)
The cops seemed to be responding to a call; a lot of 'em and in a hurry. Looks serious. What was the call about?
Oh. Right.
Facts.
Never mind.
Posted by: Nek at November 24, 2015 07:46 PM (QolCq)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 24, 2015 07:47 PM (T78UI)
Posted by: Bronc Drywall at November 24, 2015 07:47 PM (BNNGH)
Posted by: Lizzy at November 24, 2015 07:48 PM (NOIQH)
Son stopped a thug-on-thug holdup over a month ago. Gun-wielding thug threw gun on the ground, and both thugs ran.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 24, 2015 07:48 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Garrett at November 24, 2015 07:48 PM (fCzIg)
Posted by: Garrett at November 24, 2015 07:48 PM (fCzIg)
*****
He fired 16 times.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 24, 2015 07:49 PM (xNYi9)
Black thug was robbing a store with a knife, TV shows little angel in a graduation gown.
F'n sick of this.
Posted by: despair at November 24, 2015 07:49 PM (VrdxH)
Just like Baltimore, Chicago has been run for well over half a century by Democrats, so it should be Paradise-on-Earth by now, right ?
Plus the whole city is a gun free zone, so no problem with "gun violence" or anything like that.
Furthermore, the only people we still know there are all flaming leftists, so they should be perfectly safe, being on the side of the oppressed and all.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 24, 2015 07:50 PM (erRNA)
Posted by: Garrett at November 24, 2015 07:50 PM (fCzIg)
Posted by: Mustapha Kunt -- With a Wang! at November 24, 2015 07:50 PM (iQIUe)
You're either an inveterate racist, or you just named the riot-to-be.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at November 24, 2015 07:50 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at November 24, 2015 07:51 PM (oVJmc)
Enjoy, fuckers.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 24, 2015 07:37 PM (FsuaD)
Couldn't possibly care less. I hope they do.
Fuck 'em, this fucked up state and the cesspools they have created.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at November 24, 2015 07:51 PM (NJMWm)
And I like Man From Uncle. It has a nice 60s vibe and look and soundtrack. Ladies shd enjoy Arne Hammer. Boy that guy is big.
Posted by: Mustapha Kunt -- With a Wang! at November 24, 2015 07:51 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Lizzy at November 24, 2015 07:51 PM (NOIQH)
And the teen most certainly was taking rounds while down on the pavement.
I suspect that at least some of the wounds listed in the coroner's report were from fragments of bullets that struck the pavement.
Posted by: ThomasD at November 24, 2015 07:51 PM (Uzr44)
Posted by: Garrett at November 24, 2015 07:52 PM (fCzIg)
As he's getting closer to the cops, he clearly throws out his right arm and has something shiny in his right hand.
He then does a quick jump and turn towards the cops, right before they open fire.
Posted by: El Kabong at November 24, 2015 07:52 PM (MCmqp)
Posted by: eman at November 24, 2015 07:52 PM (MQEz6)
What a ginger midget told me is that several cop cars had been following this guy for a mile or so because they didn't have any tasers and were waiting for someone to show up with tasers.
Then shooty guy shows up and immediately goes shooty. CNN says 6 seconds after he gets out of his car.
So, apparently, most of the Chicago PD was doing a reliable job. One Berserker shows up and murders the kid. Berserker gets charged with murder.
Video was made available due to a FOIA request. Ginger midget tells me that Rahm had the reporter who filed the request excluded from his press conference. Chicago, baby.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 24, 2015 07:52 PM (1xUj/)
Crickets.
White pastors' wives lives matter.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 24, 2015 07:53 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: El Kabong at November 24, 2015 07:53 PM (MCmqp)
http://www.redstate.com/2015/11/24/liberal-rage-mass-shooting-new-orleans/
Posted by: andycanuck at November 24, 2015 07:53 PM (xodPA)
Posted by: Garrett at November 24, 2015 07:54 PM (fCzIg)
Posted by: DocMerlin at November 24, 2015 07:54 PM (E59WX)
Posted by: Mustapha Kunt -- With a Wang! at November 24, 2015 07:50 PM (iQIUe)
Er, no. You don't shoot to kill you shoot to stop the threat. You find yourself in a self defense situation and you say you were shooting to kill, you're going to find yourself up shit creek on a murder one charge.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 24, 2015 07:54 PM (A6ryA)
Maybe the cop thought he was using his tazer and realized half way through "Oh, shit! This is my gun! I hope no one's filming this!"
Posted by: Naes at November 24, 2015 07:54 PM (Ypc8j)
Posted by: Mustapha Kunt
Cue the Precious Snowflake retort: "baaaaaht he should have winged him~!"
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 24, 2015 07:54 PM (9YDUz)
Posted by: captslaq at November 24, 2015 07:55 PM (aGVH0)
The BLM argument that's been fermenting over in Minneapolis this past week is that cops should be trained to 'box' so they don't have to have guns.
Posted by: El Kabong at November 24, 2015 07:56 PM (MCmqp)
What was reported is the jerk and turn were a result of him getting shot.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 24, 2015 07:56 PM (A6ryA)
On the other hand, I was taught to aim each shot. And not waste ammo.
I think at the *absolute best* for the officer, this was a horrifying ****-up.
It's hard to imagine someone under these circumstances deciding to commit murder, but there are people who go bugnuts insane.
I am horrified by the implications of mind-reading technology, but there are days...
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 24, 2015 07:56 PM (bLnSU)
Yeah, looks like the cop capped the little snot that dissed him and slashed his tire. He should be prosecuted for second degree murder, at the very least. The scandal here is that this happened last year during election season. Not sure if this is true, but heard on the radio this morning that the cops tried to cover it up or impede the investigation, erased some tape from a restaurant cam across the street. Rahm is in some shit, here, I think.
I'll give you live updates of the riots, unless I'm, you know, sheltering in place.
Posted by: Gem at November 24, 2015 07:56 PM (c+gwp)
Oh, goody. More riots.
The new normal, huh?
Posted by: Lizzy at November 24, 2015 07:48 PM (NOIQH)
Gotta get those voters to the polls next year. They think this will do it. I think it could have a different effect.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 24, 2015 07:56 PM (4ErVI)
So do I. Of course, I wouldn't make it through 1 winter. There is one show I won't watch. Alaskan Bush People. Heard that a couple of the guys were wrongfully trying to get in on the oil payments that Alaskan citizens get.
Posted by: Ronster at November 24, 2015 07:56 PM (mUa7N)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 24, 2015 07:56 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: weft cut-loop
Could have shot the knife out of his hand like the Lone Ranger always did.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 24, 2015 07:57 PM (FkBIv)
No, that is him reacting to the first shots.
Posted by: ThomasD at November 24, 2015 07:57 PM (Uzr44)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 24, 2015 07:58 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Lord Obama at November 24, 2015 07:58 PM (Uk9e2)
They're mostly doing it in solidly blue states in deep blue cities. As an electoral strategy, it seems like it could have the opposite intended effect if a conservative candidate firmly stands on a law and order platform.
Posted by: Naes at November 24, 2015 07:59 PM (Ypc8j)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2015 07:59 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Naes at November 24, 2015 07:38 PM (Ypc8j)
Go to Youtube and look around for gun channels. There is lots of interesting stuff, and you can learn anything and everything you want about guns, starting from the most basic things.
Posted by: despair at November 24, 2015 07:59 PM (VrdxH)
Not to sorry....Free Shit Army will invade the stores of the 1% and with a little laser-targeted looting fulfill your Christmas shopping needs.
Oh, bad cop.
Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at November 24, 2015 08:00 PM (3ZttN)
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at November 24, 2015 08:00 PM (0NdlF)
You're either an inveterate racist, or you just named the riot-to-be.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at November 24, 2015 07:50 PM (amQXf)
This cracked me up way more than it should. Maybe it's the bourbon!!!
Posted by: Lea at November 24, 2015 08:01 PM (vmMMi)
The dashcam vid shows he came from a long distance away. People were pointing him in that direction. WTF was going on that lead to the call?
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at November 24, 2015 08:01 PM (oVJmc)
Banana clip. Holds up to 12 plantains.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2015 08:01 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 24, 2015 08:01 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Mustapha Kunt -- With a Wang! at November 24, 2015 07:51 PM (iQIUe)
Was that the Russian dude? Because he was hot.
Posted by: Lea at November 24, 2015 08:02 PM (vmMMi)
This is a bad shoot... how, exactly?
Posted by: BurtTC at November 24, 2015 08:02 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Lizzy at November 24, 2015 08:02 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2015 08:04 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: eman at November 24, 2015 08:04 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: the billy goat at November 24, 2015 07:45 PM (REdlt)
Hey! Sox fan here. 2005 wasn't that long ago. But we're always kind of drunk and disorderly, so.
Posted by: Gem at November 24, 2015 08:04 PM (c+gwp)
Posted by: BurtTC at November 24, 2015 08:02 PM (TOk1P)
Because SHUT UP, that's how.
--- Rahm "Tiny Dancer" Emmanuel
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 24, 2015 08:04 PM (FsuaD)
Update: ArthurK. says you can see the bullets hitting him when he's on the ground.
Well, this won't be a long trial.
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Watch it again. You see the perp move his arm in the direction of the cops, then see dust/smoke fly from an additional round or two or five. He wasn't firing at a lifeless corpse. He fired at a perp who had a weapon and unless your eyes are better than that cop's, I would guess he wasn't sure if it was a knife or a gun at that point. Only that the perp was pointing it at him.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 24, 2015 08:05 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Mustapha Kunt -- With a Wang! at November 24, 2015 08:05 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: ThomasD at November 24, 2015 08:05 PM (Uzr44)
Posted by: L, Elle at November 24, 2015 08:05 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: Mustapha Kunt -- With a Wang! at November 24, 2015 08:06 PM (iQIUe)
I do own my Dad's old Winchester from the early 1960s which I've never fired but not a handgun. It even has the old instruction manual. I'm not sure if I should take it to a shooting range or if it's an antique.
Posted by: Naes at November 24, 2015 08:07 PM (Ypc8j)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 24, 2015 08:07 PM (FsuaD)
Back when I took concealed carry class, they told me that a guy armed with a knife twenty feet away can kill you before you can shoot him. I'll wait for more evidence before I'll jump on the band wagon.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 24, 2015 08:07 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 24, 2015 07:54 PM (A6ryA)
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Cue the Precious Snowflake retort: "baaaaaht he should have winged him~!"
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 24, 2015 07:54 PM (9YDUz)
Jinx! One of you have to pay my lifetime NRA dues for winning.
Posted by: BunkerinTheBurbs at November 24, 2015 08:07 PM (bA+CL)
Posted by: L, Elle at November 24, 2015 08:07 PM (2x3L+)
I can't tell. It happens so fast. The damning bit is the plumes of debris coming off his body after he's down and still moving around.
And now false testimony.
Well, it took a few years, but BLM might FINALLY have a case!
Posted by: El Kabong at November 24, 2015 08:08 PM (MCmqp)
http://tinyurl.com/htket93
Posted by: Country Singer at November 24, 2015 08:08 PM (GUBah)
Posted by: freaked at November 24, 2015 08:09 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: Naes at November 24, 2015 08:09 PM (Ypc8j)
Posted by: FredB at November 24, 2015 08:09 PM (mkgf1)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 24, 2015 08:09 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at November 24, 2015 08:10 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Darth Randall at November 24, 2015 08:10 PM (6n332)
Posted by: sunny-dee at November 24, 2015 08:10 PM (QAOZh)
That's the long and short of it.
Posted by: ThomasD at November 24, 2015 08:05 PM (Uzr44)
Me either. But then I'm sitting behind a computer, in the safety of my office. It really doesn't matter if you saw a threat, or I saw a threat. Did the cop see a threat? A young man, not listening to commands, wheels around in a motion that might have been construed as threatening to the cops on the street, with a weapon extended in his hand.
If the cop saw a threat, he did the right thing. And that's the long and short of it, whether you like it or not.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 24, 2015 08:10 PM (TOk1P)
Maybe if you come up against a professional knife thrower.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 24, 2015 08:11 PM (FkBIv)
Posted by: Garrett at November 24, 2015 08:11 PM (fCzIg)
Protesters take to Chicago streets.
I'd recommend online shopping this Christmas season to any Chicago morons.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 24, 2015 08:11 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: FredB at November 24, 2015 08:11 PM (mkgf1)
Posted by: Soothsayer, with arms akimbo at November 24, 2015 08:11 PM (ApM8l)
6 How many bullets are in a clip for a gun like that? Seriously. I know nothing about guns.
Posted by: Naes at November 24, 2015 07:38 PM (Ypc8j)
Go to Youtube and look around for gun channels. There is lots of
interesting stuff, and you can learn anything and everything you want
about guns, starting from the most basic things.
Posted by: despair at November 24, 2015 07:59 PM (VrdxH)
Or just hang out on every AOSHQ thread. Sooner or later, they all go gun.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at November 24, 2015 08:12 PM (yxw0r)
acting erratically (according to the autopsy, he was on PCP).
So he's violent, armed, and unpredictable? That would seem to tip the scales a bit in decision-making.
I'd like to hear the audio-- Are they yelling at him to drop the knife?
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at November 24, 2015 08:12 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at November 24, 2015 08:13 PM (3ZttN)
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at November 24, 2015 07:50 PM (amQXf)
Haha. With material like that you are a natural for perceived slurs. Might be a high paid consultancy out there.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 24, 2015 08:13 PM (T78UI)
I watch Alaskan Bush People. Or, as I like to call them Avid Campers.
They ain't bush people. They're homeless people who live in the woods. And they wear street-clothes...in the woods.
Posted by: Soothsayer, with arms akimbo at November 24, 2015 08:14 PM (ApM8l)
Posted by: steevy at November 24, 2015 08:15 PM (8HTq1)
Posted by: Charlie Sheen at November 24, 2015 08:15 PM (kHgvV)
Posted by: sunny-dee at November 24, 2015 08:15 PM (QAOZh)
Posted by: Willy J. at November 24, 2015 08:15 PM (wHX4r)
pregnant with their second child, raped and shot three times, once in
the head. By a black gang member.
Crickets.
White pastors' wives lives matter.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 24, 2015 07:53 PM (FsuaD)
AND two accomplices who swear they left the scene and went shopping for malt liquor.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 24, 2015 08:16 PM (T78UI)
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A cop, I don't know if it was the shooter or not, carefully kicks the knife away. He apparently wasn't convinced the threat was neutralized.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 24, 2015 08:16 PM (Nwg0u)
Posted by: Kramer at November 24, 2015 08:16 PM (fCzIg)
No, that's not how it works. Just wait until you use force on someone because you feel threatened.
The cops will not just take your word for it either. They will look at all available evidence.
And in this case that includes damning things like false statements, which are evidence of wrongdoing.
Posted by: ThomasD at November 24, 2015 08:16 PM (Uzr44)
I was actually lurking in the thread below...enjoying y'all's chit-chat about Thanksgiving food preparations and plans.
Posted by: Soothsayer, with arms akimbo at November 24, 2015 08:16 PM (ApM8l)
Almost text book police work. The riots will begin when this officer is found not guilty.
Posted by: dblwmy at November 24, 2015 08:16 PM (Wg9Ul)
They look like they may be inbred. Not saying they are, they just appear to be.
Posted by: Ronster at November 24, 2015 08:16 PM (mUa7N)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at November 24, 2015 08:16 PM (oVJmc)
We had the same discussion in the CCW class I took. If the aggressor is 20 feet from you and your weapon isn't drawn, your probably gonna get cut. Pretty sure the LEO had his gun drawn already.
I'm not gonna second guess the LEO and I'm damn sure not gonna give the meat sack the benefit of the doubt. Just gonna wait till it all comes out in court. We'll see. Things are very rarely as they are presented in the media and the video only tells part of the story.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 24, 2015 08:16 PM (+bVzV)
Posted by: freaked at November 24, 2015 08:17 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: steevy at November 24, 2015 08:17 PM (8HTq1)
Posted by: L, Elle at November 24, 2015 08:17 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: weft cut-loop
Could have shot the knife out of his hand like the Lone Ranger always did.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 24, 2015 07:57 PM (FkBIv)
=========
Arne Hammer was the Lone Ranger in the movie. Wow. 4 degrees of Arne Hammer!
Posted by: Mustapha Kunt -- With a Wang! at November 24, 2015 08:17 PM (iQIUe)
/lefty logic OFF
Posted by: Sharkman at November 24, 2015 08:18 PM (mBL57)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at November 24, 2015 08:18 PM (ucDmr)
apparently he had robbed a convenience store with a knife
I'm going to just say it. I'm glad he's dead. The world is better off without him.
Posted by: Soothsayer, with arms akimbo at November 24, 2015 08:18 PM (ApM8l)
The cops will not just take your word for it either. They will look at all available evidence.
And in this case that includes damning things like false statements, which are evidence of wrongdoing.
Posted by: ThomasD at November 24, 2015 08:16 PM (Uzr44)
You really have no idea what you're talking about.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 24, 2015 08:18 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: L, Elle at November 24, 2015 08:18 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 24, 2015 08:18 PM (hqZPQ)
Posted by: Sharkman at November 24, 2015 08:19 PM (mBL57)
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at November 24, 2015 08:12 PM (yxw0r)
Yeah, but if you don't know the lingo it might as well be a discussion of string theory.
Posted by: despair at November 24, 2015 08:19 PM (VrdxH)
Posted by: dblwmy at November 24, 2015 08:19 PM (Wg9Ul)
Posted by: Mustapha Kunt -- With a Wang! at November 24, 2015 08:19 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: steevy at November 24, 2015 08:17 PM (8HTq1)<<<
I saw it.
Wait... no I didn't.
Posted by: Ben Carson at November 24, 2015 08:19 PM (REdlt)
No, that's a pretty well accepted standard - seven yards with a knife.
But that assumes the person is also a threat with the knife.
If Emeril Lagasse drunkenly staggers near you you don't get a free pass to hose him down with every bullet in your piece.
Posted by: ThomasD at November 24, 2015 08:20 PM (Uzr44)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 24, 2015 08:20 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: FredB at November 24, 2015 08:20 PM (mkgf1)
in Chicago and Baltimore go on trial. I recognize that they're in
difficult situations, but they are armed to the teeth, have body armor,
are backed by the full force of the law, and have the predominance of
judgment. Too often they've gotten away with using deadly force under
extremely questionable circumstances.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 24, 2015 08:20 PM (hqZPQ)
That's a damn shame.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 24, 2015 08:21 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at November 24, 2015 08:21 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: L, Elle at November 24, 2015 08:21 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: Soothsayer, with arms akimbo at November 24, 2015 08:21 PM (ApM8l)
Maybe I spoke too soon. That Laquan fellow could've grown up to be a lousy presidential candidate someday..
Posted by: Soothsayer, with arms akimbo at November 24, 2015 08:22 PM (ApM8l)
Posted by: TheThinMan at November 24, 2015 08:22 PM (lc1Qv)
Posted by: Soothsayer, with arms akimbo at November 24, 2015 08:21 PM (ApM8l)
The belt buckle apparently fired 16 bullets.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 24, 2015 08:22 PM (4ErVI)
How 'bout Bobby Flay?
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at November 24, 2015 08:22 PM (oVJmc)
Too many police have no integrity.
Posted by: East Bay KG at November 24, 2015 08:22 PM (YUrE9)
Posted by: sunny-dee at November 24, 2015 08:23 PM (QAOZh)
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Don't most, if not all convenience stores have knives?
Posted by: BurtTC at November 24, 2015 08:23 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Garrett at November 24, 2015 08:23 PM (fCzIg)
Ben Carson>>>
It would have been worse but the guy I tried to stab had just won a Rodeo.
Posted by: B Carson at November 24, 2015 08:23 PM (wHX4r)
Posted by: Burger King at November 24, 2015 08:23 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 24, 2015 08:24 PM (hqZPQ)
Well no, it's not, if it were cops could shoot anybody they wanted and just say they felt threatened, the threat has to actually exist, it can obviously be difficult to determine if a threat is real or not sometimes when in the moment, but that doesn't negate the need for the threat to actually be there.
Posted by: All Teh Meh at November 24, 2015 08:24 PM (nithJ)
Posted by: ThomasD at November 24, 2015 08:24 PM (Uzr44)
That's a damn shame.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 24, 2015 08:21 PM (/tuJf)<<<
Bam!
Bam! Bam! Bam! Bam! Bam! Bam! Bam! Bam! Bam! Bam! Bam! Bam! Bam! Bam! Bam!
Posted by: cop, shooting Emeril at November 24, 2015 08:25 PM (REdlt)
As the snow flies...
On a cold and gray Chicago mornin'
A poor little baby Ewok is born
In the ghetto...In the ghetto!
People, don't you understand
The Ewok needs a helping hand
Or he'll grow to be an angry young Ewok some day...
Posted by: Mustapha Kunt -- With a Wang! at November 24, 2015 08:25 PM (iQIUe)
Are you talking about the video? Because there was a knife but no gun.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at November 24, 2015 08:25 PM (0NdlF)
Seems to happen in a lot of cities with Democrat Mayors, City Councils, etc.
Posted by: El Kabong at November 24, 2015 08:25 PM (MCmqp)
I remember there was a case in NYC during Guiliani's tenure when four undercover cops (no uniforms) rolled up on an African immigrant and pulled guns on him thinking he was a suspect. The guy pulled out his wallet thinking he was being robbed and they shot him like 60 times thinking he was pulling out a gun. Of course, he wasn't the suspect. Not guilty. I always thought that was about the worst case I ever heard.
Posted by: Naes at November 24, 2015 08:25 PM (Ypc8j)
Posted by: USA at November 24, 2015 08:25 PM (tfM+W)
Posted by: steevy at November 24, 2015 08:25 PM (8HTq1)
It would have been worse but the guy I tried to stab had just won a Rodeo.
hahahaha!
Yeah, it could've been worse but the guy Ben Carson tried to stab just happened to be a Texan who drove an 18-wheeler.
Posted by: Soothsayer, with arms akimbo at November 24, 2015 08:25 PM (ApM8l)
Posted by: captain ralls at November 24, 2015 08:25 PM (MBNvp)
Posted by: L, Elle at November 24, 2015 08:25 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at November 24, 2015 08:26 PM (ucDmr)
Posted by: eman at November 24, 2015 08:26 PM (MQEz6)
Why was his hand in his pocket? Undoubtedly he was told to stop and also to remove his hand from his pocket. Didn't look like he lunged to me.
Granted that's not cause to shoot the guy, but I'm gonna go with the That Video Doesn't Tell The Whole Story view of this.
Has the police union chimed in yet?
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 24, 2015 08:26 PM (Wckf4)
anybody they wanted and just say they felt threatened, the threat has to
actually exist, it can obviously be difficult to determine if a threat
is real or not sometimes when in the moment, but that doesn't negate the
need for the threat to actually be there.
Posted by: All Teh Meh at November 24, 2015 08:24 PM (nithJ)
Well thankfully for said cops, in this situation there was video evidence of said threat.
Which is what we're talking about here. Not some hypothetical where a cop just opens fire on some random guy in the street.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 24, 2015 08:26 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: ThomasD at November 24, 2015 08:26 PM (Uzr44)
Posted by: Rodney King at November 24, 2015 08:27 PM (8ZskC)
Are you talking about the video? Because there was a knife but no gun.
Gun. Knife. Pack of smokes. What's the diff.
Posted by: Soothsayer, with arms akimbo at November 24, 2015 08:27 PM (ApM8l)
might have been construed as threatening to the cops on the street, with
a weapon extended in his hand.
I watched the long video first, saw the glint of something metallic in the victims hand, saw the victim reaching in pockets or doing some sort of elbow deep bag grab, saw the victim do a whirl... what came first, the whirl or the first shot?
Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 24, 2015 08:27 PM (T78UI)
Posted by: Burger King at November 24, 2015 08:27 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Garrett at November 24, 2015 08:28 PM (fCzIg)
Bobby Flay is apparently banging Giada DiLaurentis.
Posted by: steevy at November 24, 2015 08:25 PM (8HTq1)
A side order of boobs seems appropriate here.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 24, 2015 08:28 PM (4ErVI)
=========
Try:
Not committing armed robberies.
Obey police orders.
Not point weapons at cops.
Posted by: Mustapha Kunt -- With a Wang! at November 24, 2015 08:28 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 24, 2015 08:28 PM (+bVzV)
Now on to the "protesters." Get a job. Seriously. Everything isn't racial and your riotous antics drive away support from non-blacks that agree that this type of policing has to stop and should be prosecuted as voraciously as any serial killer. Trust be able to be maintained between citizens and those that are hired to police.
Posted by: dogfish at November 24, 2015 08:28 PM (0O2Lr)
Posted by: eman at November 24, 2015 08:29 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: steevy at November 24, 2015 08:25 PM (8HTq1)
*******
Why the hell does that gross me out!?
Guess he's got his tamale in her cacciatore.
Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 24, 2015 08:29 PM (mcm0N)
Posted by: USA at November 24, 2015 08:29 PM (tfM+W)
Posted by: L, Elle at November 24, 2015 08:29 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at November 24, 2015 08:25 PM (0NdlF)
How did you know it was a knife and not a gun? More importantly, did the cop know?
Posted by: BurtTC at November 24, 2015 08:29 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: #BLM at November 24, 2015 08:30 PM (ZxmMG)
Russian rescue helicopter 'shot down by' US-backed 'Syrian rebels' while searching for pilots of plane downed by Turkey
what could possibly go wrong?
Posted by: Mortimer at November 24, 2015 08:30 PM (0dcbp)
Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 24, 2015 08:30 PM (mcm0N)
Putin needs to nuke some peeps.
Posted by: Soothsayer, with arms akimbo at November 24, 2015 08:31 PM (ApM8l)
16 shots? I thought magazines couldn't have more than 8 or 13 or something.
16 from 1 guy? Did he have a bigger magazine?
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at November 24, 2015 08:31 PM (xcKYc)
It just takes one shot. BAM!
Posted by: despair at November 24, 2015 08:31 PM (VrdxH)
===
*tedious sigh*
Let's start with, it's a magazine, not a clip.
Posted by: Ken at November 24, 2015 07:41 PM (QolCq)
Ditch the tedious sigh Ken. He was honest enough to show his lack of knowledge and ask that it be imparted on him.
Tedious sighs is what SJWs do at the Thanksgiving table.
Posted by: John P. Squibob at November 24, 2015 08:31 PM (DQZLr)
If Putin stands for this, he's a pussy.
Posted by: Soothsayer, with arms akimbo at November 24, 2015 08:31 PM (ApM8l)
Posted by: steevy at November 24, 2015 08:31 PM (8HTq1)
Posted by: Naes at November 24, 2015 08:32 PM (Ypc8j)
Posted by: freaked at November 24, 2015 08:32 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: L, Elle at November 24, 2015 08:32 PM (2x3L+)
I'm thinking the first shot is what caused the whirl.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 24, 2015 08:32 PM (Wckf4)
Don't care. Whatever side has the best lawyers will win now.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 24, 2015 08:32 PM (T78UI)
Yea, verily.
Posted by: Mortimer at November 24, 2015 08:32 PM (0dcbp)
*Looks at TFG and Scankles*
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 24, 2015 08:32 PM (+bVzV)
Every so often a woman just fells the need to douche?
Posted by: Willy J. at November 24, 2015 08:33 PM (wHX4r)
Posted by: Greedo at November 24, 2015 08:33 PM (8ZskC)
-----------------
Remarkably, no demonstrations, no riots, no looting, no burning.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2015 08:33 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: eman at November 24, 2015 08:33 PM (MQEz6)
something metallic in the victims hand, saw the victim reaching in
pockets or doing some sort of elbow deep bag grab, saw the victim do a
whirl... what came first, the whirl or the first shot?
Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 24, 2015 08:27 PM (T78UI)
Good question. I'm sure it matters.
Bottom line though, lots of people have already convicted this cop, and I'm not sure how anyone can be THAT sure, based on what has come out yet.
Don't we do this about... what, once every six months or so? Lots of media attention, threats of riots, people proclaiming they know what happened?
You would think we would learn, but apparently we have to relearn it over and over and over.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 24, 2015 08:34 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Eromero at November 24, 2015 08:34 PM (b+df9)
Posted by: Lea at November 24, 2015 08:34 PM (vmMMi)
---
They didn't have tasers. They were waiting for someone with tasers to arrive.
Posted by: Y-not at November 24, 2015 08:34 PM (t5zYU)
Posted by: freaked at November 24, 2015 08:32 PM (BO/km)<<<
It was a grinder in aluminum foil.
**drops a throwdown**
Posted by: the cops from Casino at November 24, 2015 08:35 PM (REdlt)
Posted by: freaked at November 24, 2015 08:35 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: eman at November 24, 2015 08:36 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 24, 2015 08:36 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: USA at November 24, 2015 08:36 PM (tfM+W)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 24, 2015 08:32 PM (Wckf4)
Maybe, but it looked like a deliberate football move to me. I guess it depends on how the refs interpret the rule.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 24, 2015 08:36 PM (TOk1P)
If the whirl came because of the shot, well...
The kid was on PCP and had a pocket knife in his left hand.
But shooting him over and over during the course of 13 seconds while he is on the ground....
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 24, 2015 08:36 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Greedo at November 24, 2015 08:33 PM (8ZskC)
Lies. All lies.
Posted by: George Lucas at November 24, 2015 08:36 PM (EHU9F)
16 from 1 guy? Did he have a bigger magazine?
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at November 24, 2015 08:31 PM (xcKYc)
Sounds like he was using (assuming no mag change) a Beretta 92 or similar. 15 round magazine + 1 in the pipe.
Posted by: Country Singer at November 24, 2015 08:36 PM (GUBah)
I thought the Mythbusters busted the myth that gun shots cause massive body motions like that.
Posted by: Y-not at November 24, 2015 08:36 PM (t5zYU)
Posted by: AltonJackson at November 24, 2015 08:37 PM (KCxzN)
This happened a year ago. ace's post includes a summary that says the victim had a knife, and I don't see that being disputed anywhere.
I responded to what looks like a factual description of the video - except that it does not match the actual facts.
If it was an attempt to describe a possible cop perspective that led to the shooting, I wouldn't have the question.
I don't know what the cop knew or saw in that moment, but the attempt to destroy evidence reflects poorly on the PD.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at November 24, 2015 08:37 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: freaked at November 24, 2015 08:37 PM (BO/km)
So yeah, I'm really looking forward to this Cornbread Dressing thing I'm getting tomorrow.
Also: cheescake. I'm getting the Cheescake Sample: 4 pre-cut slices each of Vanilla, Turtle, Strawberry Symphony and Hot Fudge Sundae...
Posted by: Soothsayer, with arms akimbo at November 24, 2015 08:37 PM (ApM8l)
-
The way to.a girl's boobs is through her stomach.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 24, 2015 08:38 PM (Nwg0u)
Rahm needed a year to figure out how to extricate himself completely from it.
Posted by: El Kabong at November 24, 2015 08:38 PM (MCmqp)
His first turn is away from the cops, then he turns back.
The turn away is the reflex response to the first shot. Watch it slowly. It is a very non-aggressive move - his knees kind of buckle and his near side shoulder rises up as his head starts to drop towards it, then he begins to turn away. Only after wards does he start to right himself and turn into the threat.
That is what getting shot looks like.
Posted by: ThomasD at November 24, 2015 08:38 PM (Uzr44)
There's a targeting joke in there.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 24, 2015 08:38 PM (Wckf4)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 24, 2015 08:38 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: eleven at November 24, 2015 08:38 PM (rjtGa)
Because Black Lives Matter and White Ones Don't.
Until that is no longer the case.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at November 24, 2015 08:38 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: L, Elle at November 24, 2015 08:39 PM (2x3L+)
in a self defense situation and you say you were shooting to kill,
you're going to find yourself up shit creek on a murder one charge."
If you're a mundane, that's true. But shiny badges tend to grant privileges not available to us insects.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at November 24, 2015 08:39 PM (amQXf)
Posted by: dogfish at November 24, 2015 08:39 PM (0O2Lr)
Posted by: bestie21 at November 24, 2015 08:39 PM (HUeC4)
Speaking of cop shootings...
anyone else enjoying the series Bosch? A good detective drama...based on a series of books, I guess.
Posted by: Soothsayer, with arms akimbo at November 24, 2015 08:39 PM (ApM8l)
Posted by: Y-not
Thank you for the added info. Then my next advice is don't stand 10 feet away from the knife wielding suspect while you wait.
Posted by: dogfish at November 24, 2015 08:40 PM (0O2Lr)
Posted by: Y-not at November 24, 2015 08:36 PM (t5zYU
Mythbusters busted the idea that you'd fly backwards due to force of the impact, but if you're hit with something that painful your natural reflex is going to be to move with it.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at November 24, 2015 08:41 PM (tM4uk)
Posted by: Ronster at November 24, 2015 08:16 PM (mUa7N)
Why aren't these people living in trailers?
Posted by: Hillary! at November 24, 2015 08:41 PM (bW1bg)
Posted by: Y-not
****
They busted the myth that gunshots have enough force to send people flying thru the air.
How they physically react to getting shot is another thing entirely.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 24, 2015 08:41 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 24, 2015 07:54 PM (A6ryA)
--------------
Cue the Precious Snowflake retort: "baaaaaht he should have winged him~!"
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 24, 2015 07:54 PM (9YDUz)
Jinx! One of you have to pay my lifetime NRA dues for winning.
Posted by: BunkerinTheBurbs at November 24, 2015 08:07 PM (bA+CL)
I'm not following you here.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 24, 2015 08:41 PM (kpqmD)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 24, 2015 08:42 PM (BK3ZS)
Posted by: C at November 24, 2015 08:42 PM (z8pC5)
Posted by: bestie21 at November 24, 2015 08:42 PM (HUeC4)
What is the point of riots?
Posted by: Carol at November 24, 2015 08:42 PM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: Garrett at November 24, 2015 08:42 PM (fCzIg)
Posted by: The AoSHQ Concern Desk at November 24, 2015 08:42 PM (Dwehj)
in a self defense situation and you say you were shooting to kill,
you're going to find yourself up shit creek on a murder one charge.">>>
I thought most self defense courses teach to shoot for center mass. Which in hunting is kinda a kill shot.
Posted by: Willy J. at November 24, 2015 08:43 PM (wHX4r)
They weren't even standing, they were closing on him.
Not quite as egregious as the Cleveland cop who drove up to within contact distance of that 'armed suspect'/kid with a pellet gun, but similarly reckless and unnecessary.
Posted by: ThomasD at November 24, 2015 08:43 PM (Uzr44)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnFyKOQnDEM
Posted by: Bob in Houston at November 24, 2015 08:43 PM (b7AU3)
Posted by: freaked at November 24, 2015 08:43 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: dogfish
****
Tueller Drill. Distance is life.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 24, 2015 08:43 PM (hVdx9)
*shrug*
Haven't watched them in years. I would imagine it would depend on the caliber and type of round, and body positioning. I mean, I know the knocking people through windows thing doesn't happen, but it doesn't seem far fetched that a shoulder shot that struck bone might turn someone rather violently.
I'm basically talking out of my ass here, but that scenario doesn't seem unreasonable.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 24, 2015 08:44 PM (Wckf4)
Posted by: dogfish at November 24, 2015 08:39 PM (0O2Lr)
Or it could be that like every cop (and military member) he was trained to shoot until, in his perception, the threat was no longer a threat. And there's no way, unless you've been in that situation, you can imagine what his perception might have been at that moment, or for that matter, what your own perception might have been at that moment.
Posted by: Country Singer at November 24, 2015 08:44 PM (GUBah)
Posted by: Soothsayer, with arms akimbo at November 24, 2015 08:44 PM (ApM8l)
in a self defense situation and you say you were shooting to kill,
you're going to find yourself up shit creek on a murder one charge."
If you're a mundane, that's true. But shiny badges tend to grant privileges not available to us insects.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at November 24, 2015 08:39 PM (amQXf)
Yeah, that's a whole other very polarizing subject altogether. I follow a lot of these cases and in more than a few the states reason the cop shot and killed someone - and which was accepted as justified - would have landed any one of us in prison for at least a ten year stretch.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 24, 2015 08:44 PM (kpqmD)
Posted by: eman at November 24, 2015 08:44 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Donovan Nuera at November 24, 2015 08:45 PM (MJN9k)
Posted by: Willy J
****
Nope. They are trained to shoot to stop. Center mass with good ammo allows you to stop the attack with the fewest number of shots.
This allows the good guy AND the bad guy a better shot at living.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 24, 2015 08:45 PM (hVdx9)
Life in prison for everyone involved in erasing the security footage. Bunch of scumbags."
Does Felony Murder encompass acts committed after but pursuant to the actual killing?
Posted by: ThomasD at November 24, 2015 08:45 PM (Uzr44)
I thought most self defense courses teach to shoot for center mass. Which in hunting is kinda a kill shot.
Yes. You but you NEVER SAY you were trying to "kill" your target. You say you were trying to "stop" him/her and "defend yourself from harm."
Posted by: Soothsayer, with arms akimbo at November 24, 2015 08:46 PM (ApM8l)
Posted by: Ric James at November 24, 2015 08:46 PM (fCzIg)
Be very careful with that. If you are going to use subjective perception as the standard then every time a cop pulls the trigger it will be justified, no matter how objectively absurd it is.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 24, 2015 08:46 PM (kpqmD)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 24, 2015 08:11 PM (FkBIv)
It is actually a Thing. 21 foot rule. An attacker with a knife can close distance and stab you before you can react, clear your holster, and fire.
It is a bit different if you are already aimed in, though.
Posted by: Elliot at November 24, 2015 08:46 PM (2D8bw)
Posted by: bestie21 at November 24, 2015 08:47 PM (HUeC4)
Posted by: Multitude at November 24, 2015 08:47 PM (hnG+0)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at November 24, 2015 08:47 PM (ucDmr)
Posted by: Country Singer
That in no way excuses this. I'm sure there are plenty of criminals whose perception led them astray.
Posted by: dogfish at November 24, 2015 08:48 PM (0O2Lr)
I saw Rachel Ray on TV recently. She turned into Sally Struthers.
Posted by: despair at November 24, 2015 08:49 PM (VrdxH)
Posted by: zombie Danny Crowe at November 24, 2015 08:49 PM (REdlt)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr
****
Google Tueller drill and get back to us.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 24, 2015 08:49 PM (hVdx9)
I'm sure the jury will take that into consideration.
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 24, 2015 08:49 PM (gyKtp)
Posted by: The Frank Family at November 24, 2015 08:49 PM (amQXf)
say you were trying to "stop" him/her and "defend yourself from harm.">>>
Yeah never say "I wanted to kill" in any situation. But more importantly never say anything let your lawyer do that.
Posted by: Willy J. at November 24, 2015 08:49 PM (wHX4r)
Posted by: USA at November 24, 2015 08:50 PM (tfM+W)
it would depend on the caliber and type of round, and body positioning. I
mean, I know the knocking people through windows thing doesn't happen,
but it doesn't seem far fetched that a shoulder shot that struck bone
might turn someone rather violently.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 24, 2015 08:44 PM (Wckf4)
No more violently than the shooter's shoulder turned. Equal and opposite reactions, people!
Posted by: Isaac Newton at November 24, 2015 08:50 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Willy J
****
Nope. They are trained to shoot to stop. Center mass with good ammo allows you to stop the attack with the fewest number of shots.
This allows the good guy AND the bad guy a better shot at living.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 24, 2015 08:45 PM (hVdx9)
It's also the largest target presented on the human body, making it less likely that you'll miss and hit somebody unintentionally with a stray shit. That's why the "why didnt he just wing him" thing is rubbish. Should he have shot at all, and was he justified in dumping the entire mag into him, are perfectly fair questions though.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 24, 2015 08:50 PM (kpqmD)
here's a question for the Left: Why do the police carry lethal weapons, i.e., guns?
i) to intimidate
ii) to kill people who do not obey their orders
Posted by: Soothsayer, with arms akimbo at November 24, 2015 08:50 PM (ApM8l)
It's a legal thing. You have the right to protect your life in self-defense, but there is no right to kill someone. If it happens as part of defending yourself, oh well, but you don't have a right to end his life.
So when you talk about killing someone, that gives the impression you were being aggressive, not defensive, in your actions. It undermines your claim that you did it in self-defense.
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at November 24, 2015 08:50 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: eleven at November 24, 2015 08:51 PM (rjtGa)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 24, 2015 08:51 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Read "The History of the 2nd Amendment" at November 24, 2015 08:51 PM (LHNU4)
Like as not, the city will simply settle. The taxpayers can always take another one for the team.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at November 24, 2015 08:51 PM (amQXf)
>>> I would imagine it would depend on the caliber and type of round, and body positioning. I mean, I know the knocking people through windows thing doesn't happen, but it doesn't seem far fetched that a shoulder shot that struck bone might turn someone rather violently.
this is a weird topic that I can't wrap my head around, but ballistic scientists say that there is simply not enough KE in a bullet to move you much at all.
On the other hand, field observers (cops, soldiers) testify it does happen.
One theory I saw, which I found to be preposterous, is that people *jump off their feet* when hit by a bullet, because they've been conditioned by movie-watching to think they're supposed to.
More likely it's some effect of the nervous system suddenly being interrupted and the body going immediately slack which produces an unexpected motion that resembles a jerk.
Posted by: Not Real Donald Trump at November 24, 2015 08:52 PM (dciA+)
Chicago thug cop is going to jail for the booty bandits to pursue and another product of our dysfunctional society is removed before he does any more damage.
Neither one will be missed.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 24, 2015 08:52 PM (ej1L0)
Posted by: dogfish at November 24, 2015 08:48 PM (0O2Lr)
I was in no way excusing it. I was pointing out the fallacy of your argument that the officer was either not tactically proficient or lacking in marksmanship skills. Neither of these is in evidence, only that he fired until the threat was positively neutralized.
Posted by: Country Singer at November 24, 2015 08:52 PM (GUBah)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 24, 2015 08:45 PM
Thats some straight up stupid there friend. A .40 hollow point in the center of your chest (center mass) is a kill shot. Hell, even a wad cutter would be sufficient just due to the blunt force trauma inflicted on the heart and arteries. A little left or right will get the lungs though. Maybe that what you were thinking?
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 24, 2015 08:52 PM (+bVzV)
Being a cop is a difficult and dangerous job.
But if we give them a free pass every time one of them screws up it is no longer difficult, and the danger exposure rapidly gets shifted over to anyone they might interact with.
Doubly so when we allow his on scene buddies to commit a cover-up.
They all need to burn.
Posted by: ThomasD at November 24, 2015 08:52 PM (Uzr44)
Posted by: Soothsayer, with arms akimbo at November 24, 2015 08:53 PM (ApM8l)
i) to intimidate
ii) to kill people who do not obey their orders
Posted by: Soothsayer, with arms akimbo at November 24, 2015 08:50 PM
you left out the answer:
iii) for their own protection
Posted by: AltonJackson at November 24, 2015 08:53 PM (KCxzN)
It's over now, Charlie Brown just re-told the story of the first Thanksgiving..
Posted by: Soothsayer, with arms akimbo at November 24, 2015 08:53 PM (ApM8l)
i'm pretty sure it does not. The killing has to happen during the commission of the predicate felony. Destroying evidence after the event would not be during the commission of a predicate felony.
Posted by: Not Real Donald Trump at November 24, 2015 08:54 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: L, Elle at November 24, 2015 08:55 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 24, 2015 08:55 PM (mcm0N)
Does anyone here watch Jeopardy?
The woman that has been on the last two nights might drive someone to commit homicide.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2015 08:55 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 24, 2015 08:50 PM (kpqmD)
https://youtu.be/qVhCNgct9JQ
It's real! I saw it in the movies!
Posted by: LIVs Everywhere at November 24, 2015 08:55 PM (GUBah)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead
****
Then change your name to stupid and ignorant jarhead. Taught in the firearms schools and used in court to defend those who rightfully used lethal force.
You should have listened to Lincoln.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 24, 2015 08:56 PM (hVdx9)
the job requirements include some degree of physical courage. if someone feels the compulsion to kill someone because he's walking away from him with a knife, then he entered the wrong profession.
As you say, correctly, cops cannot transfer all danger of their jobs to the citizenry.
And if they do -- then what the hell do we call them brave for?
Posted by: Not Real Donald Trump at November 24, 2015 08:56 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Country Singer at November 24, 2015 08:57 PM (GUBah)
Maybe not life, but certainly loooong sentences. That shit is intolerable.
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 24, 2015 08:57 PM (gyKtp)
Posted by: TommyTee at November 24, 2015 08:57 PM (zFXwQ)
The woman that has been on the last two nights might drive someone to commit homicide.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2015 08:55 PM (9mTYi)
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I haven't watched it since last week. What's this woman doing?
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at November 24, 2015 08:57 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: eleven at November 24, 2015 08:58 PM (rjtGa)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at November 24, 2015 08:58 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: grammie
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Astonishingly annoying accent/vocal inflection. Grating.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2015 08:58 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2015 08:58 PM (9mTYi)
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So, Wisconsinite?
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at November 24, 2015 08:59 PM (dFi94)
I think he meant "Shooting to Stop" is better for the bad guy.
The "Shoot Center Mass" part is meant to be lethal; but capping someone off after they're down and you're not in danger is obvious no-no under "Shoot to Stop".
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster at November 24, 2015 09:00 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: Weather Channel at November 24, 2015 09:00 PM (5NCiy)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel
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Well, when your target is lying motionless on the ground about 10-12 feet away for 14-15 of those shots...
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 24, 2015 09:00 PM (hVdx9)
What is the point of riots? Free shit, man! Free shit!
Posted by: Mustapha Kunt -- With a Wang! at November 24, 2015 09:00 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: grammie
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Unidentifiable by me. I want to say that it is an assumed way of speaking, but I've never heard such.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2015 09:01 PM (9mTYi)
Yeah...I'm confused about that part too.
Posted by: eleven at November 24, 2015 09:01 PM (rjtGa)
Posted by: Country Singer
Now whose argument is a fallacious? It is not in evidence that 16 rounds were needed to positively neutralize the "threat" which is also not in evidence. Certainly not to the point of requiring deadly force. I see only one officer shooting. There is one 2 feet away was he not threatened?
Posted by: dogfish at November 24, 2015 09:01 PM (0O2Lr)
Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 24, 2015 09:01 PM (mcm0N)
Posted by: Carol at November 24, 2015 09:02 PM (sj3Ax)
The "Shoot Center Mass" part is meant to be lethal; but capping someone off after they're down and you're not in danger is obvious no-no under "Shoot to Stop".
Posted by: ReactionaryMonster
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There is some fantasy that says center punching someone means they are dead.
Only people who have not done their homework think that is true.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 24, 2015 09:02 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2015 09:01 PM (9mTYi)
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If she's still on tomorrow, I will try to remember to watch.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at November 24, 2015 09:02 PM (dFi94)
For cryin' out loud...give him a chance to read about in the paper~!!!
Posted by: Mr. Wizard at November 24, 2015 09:03 PM (hCdMd)
Posted by: Carol at November 24, 2015 09:02 PM (sj3Ax)
Is it possible he even could have known who it was in so short a time?
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at November 24, 2015 09:03 PM (oVJmc)
So Chicago's going to burn...? I'm pretty indifferent.
In keeping with "Don't let a crisis go to waste," Rahm should toss some of the city pension IOUs into the burning fires by the people seeking 'justice.'
And by 'justice', I mean free shit they can steal when they're given free reign of the city for a few nights.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at November 24, 2015 09:03 PM (AC0lD)
They're trained in the use of deadly force. The operative term being deadly.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 24, 2015 09:03 PM (+bVzV)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/p6e2rd2
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2015 09:03 PM (9mTYi)
Al Qaeda suicide bomber takes out leadership of key ISIS brigade | http://fxn.ws/1MP6jfP
Posted by: USA at November 24, 2015 09:04 PM (tfM+W)
Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 24, 2015 09:01 PM (mcm0N)
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Tragic tutu incident.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at November 24, 2015 09:04 PM (dFi94)
Different dynamics than a bullet strike.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 24, 2015 09:04 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2015 09:04 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Gem at November 24, 2015 09:05 PM (c+gwp)
Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 24, 2015 09:01 PM
ISWYDT
golf clap
Posted by: AltonJackson at November 24, 2015 09:05 PM (KCxzN)
Heh!! Yes, good luck getting a response.
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 24, 2015 09:05 PM (BsAwE)
Posted by: eleven at November 24, 2015 09:05 PM (rjtGa)
Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 24, 2015 09:01 PM (mcm0N)
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Tragic tutu incident.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at November 24, 2015 09:04 PM (dFi94)
*****
LOL!
Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 24, 2015 09:05 PM (mcm0N)
But then no one would want to be a cop because the only reason someone would want to be a cop is because they want to shoot someone.
and that would mean the gang bangers would have to police themselves and we wouldn't want that, eh?
Posted by: THDeering at November 24, 2015 09:06 PM (jD+em)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/p6e2rd2
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2015 09:03 PM (9mTYi)
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Yes, it does seem very affected. Like maybe once in high school she had a bad drama coach. Yikes.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at November 24, 2015 09:06 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2015 09:07 PM (vsbNu)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2015 09:04 PM (9mTYi)
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I wonder if she is married. Her wedding guests must have cringed as she spoke her vows.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at November 24, 2015 09:08 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 24, 2015 09:01 PM
ISWYDT
golf clap
Posted by: AltonJackson at November 24, 2015 09:05 PM (KCxzN)
***********
ya--I can be a bit of an ass.
Rahm Emmanuel bugs the hell out of me.
Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 24, 2015 09:08 PM (mcm0N)
scientists say that there is simply not enough KE in a bullet to move
you much at all."***
I forget which film of the Kennedy assassination (Zapruder I think), but his head gets knocked around pretty hard when it's hit.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 24, 2015 09:08 PM (Wckf4)
Posted by: eman at November 24, 2015 09:09 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead
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As the saying goes, no firearm you can hold in your hand is guaranteed to stop/kill your attacker.
Seen cases where even headshots didn't stop the bad guy.
Saw a combat vet talking about a bad guy LITERALLY cut in half with a Ma Deuce living long enough to shoot back.
Been studying this for almost 30 years. This whole dead for sure if center punched is bullsh*t.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 24, 2015 09:09 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Eromero at November 24, 2015 09:09 PM (b+df9)
Only people who have not done their homework think that is true.>>>
Hell people survive all kinds of terrible shit. But I would not like to bet my life on Oh I'll be Okay taking a bullet center mass.
The training to shoot center mass one also takes on the responsibility they may die. I only respond since fantasy was involved.
Posted by: Willy J. at November 24, 2015 09:09 PM (wHX4r)
Second thing is that the shooting would never have happened if he hadn't robbed a place at knifepoint and then was carrying the knife in a menacing manner. Most of us don't have to worry about getting shot by this so-called crazy cop because we know better than to rob a place at gunpoint and we wouldn't be brandishing a knife if we happened to do so and were being approached by cops.
Sympathy meter ..... at zero....this kind of shit doesn't happen to good law abiding people. I'll let a jury decide after listening to experts about police tactics and what constitutes a deadly threat. Seems like everyone is an expert and just knows that he wasnt a direct threat to a cop even though he was carrying/brandishing a knife.
I say....have at the rioting. I am still in the let it burn mode from the 2012 election. Let's burn the whole f*cking society down and start over because nothing else seems to get people to realize we are going down the shitter. The sooner the better that the masses begin to see the whole reality of what is happening.
I can also tell you that good people are going to steer clear of the policing profession (and probably already are)...since it is all downside and the pay ain't worth the stress and hassle. You are going to see more and more of these mistakes because you are not going to attract the best and brightest to this profession (hey seems just like what is happening in politics - where the dumbest f*cks around are running for political office and being elected). So just like the citizens get the governance they voted for...they are also getting the policing that they deserve. If you don't make it a compelling profession and the societies don't actively support them, you aren't going to get the best. Enjoy the riots Chicago. Should be an eye opener for some of the regular folks.
Posted by: Fustigator at November 24, 2015 09:09 PM (N01QB)
Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 24, 2015 09:01 PM (mcm0N)
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Tragic arabesque accident.
Posted by: Mustapha Kunt -- With a Wang! at November 24, 2015 09:10 PM (iQIUe)
around, but ballistic scientists say that there is simply not enough KE
in a bullet to move you much at all.
Posted by: Not Real Donald Trump at November 24, 2015 08:52 PM (dciA+)
Noodle this - every action has an equal and opposite reaction - therefore the one throwing the bullet has the same action as the side catching it, right?
Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 24, 2015 09:10 PM (T78UI)
They're trained in the use of deadly force. The operative term being deadly.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 24, 2015 09:03 PM (+bVzV)
I think the disconnect here is simply generational. Unfortunately, our pussified ROE has made the rounds: there was a time in which we did indeed "shoot to kill," but now it's all about "I feared for my life and fired only to neutralize the threat." Hate to say it COJ, but that type of thinking and training is not only endemic in domestic LEO but in today's military as well.
Posted by: Country Singer at November 24, 2015 09:11 PM (GUBah)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 24, 2015 09:11 PM (45oDG)
I am completely lost.
Posted by: eleven
****
Coke vs. Pepsi.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 24, 2015 09:11 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2015 09:11 PM (9mTYi)
Malor's Bourbon-berry thing.
1 lb. of cranberries (about 4 cups).
2 cups sugar.
1/4 teaspoon ground cinnamon.
1/4 cup bourbon.
Preheat the oven to 350°F. Combine first 3 ingredients in 9x13-inch
baking dish. Cover tightly with foil and bake until cranberries are
tender and sugar is dissolved, stirring once, about 1 hour. Remove from
oven and stir in bourbon. Refrigerate cranberry sauce until well
chilled. Keeps for about a week. Transfer to bowl and serve.
Posted by: Bob in Houston at November 24, 2015 09:11 PM (b7AU3)
why should a cop, or anyone else, have to risk their own life to protect the life of a scumbag? The salient difference here is that the target is a violent criminal. not that he is black.
If BLM gave a shit for black lives, they'd be acting against inner city gangs, but like most democong front groups they just spout lies to protect criminals.
Posted by: Grad School Fool at November 24, 2015 09:11 PM (A9KzJ)
Posted by: Cathy at November 24, 2015 09:11 PM (Va9Q4)
We also need a simplistic phrase to rally around. Some sort of "Hands up, don't shoot" crap.
Posted by: RKae at November 24, 2015 09:12 PM (u5c0o)
Does anyone know--off hand--how Rahm lost half a finger?
Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 24, 2015 09:01 PM (mcm0N)
Not me.
Posted by: Gollum at November 24, 2015 09:12 PM (eUK5G)
Posted by: forest at November 24, 2015 09:12 PM (lcz8X)
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Turf wars.
Actually, they are in a body-count competition, using other people's bodies.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2015 09:12 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Country Singer
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Yeah, keep thinking that. Just shows how ignorant you are.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 24, 2015 09:12 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: chemjeff at November 24, 2015 09:12 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2015 09:11 PM (9mTYi)
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LOL - well, they do say that love covers a multitude of sins. And that voice qualifies as a sin. Sheesh!
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at November 24, 2015 09:13 PM (dFi94)
"It's not cool to police people (read: women) on how they talk
Posted by: freaked at November 24, 2015 09:13 PM (BO/km)
Alverez is a left wing kunt so is Carol Marin. Two utterly vile individuals
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 24, 2015 09:14 PM (45oDG)
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Turf wars.
Actually, they are in a body-count competition, using other people's bodies.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
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Kind of like "Arsenic & Old Lace" where the serial killer nephew is upset that his dear old aunties have killed the same number of people that he did.
Posted by: RKae at November 24, 2015 09:14 PM (u5c0o)
Rahm has 24 hour cop bodyguards including cops stationed around his house around the clock. They should walk off the job and tell the turd to hire his own protection.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 24, 2015 09:15 PM (45oDG)
Posted by: USA at November 24, 2015 09:15 PM (tfM+W)
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Thank you so much Bob for hunting that down for me! I appreciate it. Someone else on the end of the dead thread found it too, and wouldn't you know it, I dug around on my old computer and found it there as well!
So I am well and truly set for Thanksgiving Day. Those cranberries are the best - thanks again! I'll try to hold on the the recipe this year. LOL
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at November 24, 2015 09:16 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2015 09:16 PM (vsbNu)
in less than 1 sec (abt the time it takes to aim and shoot)...
Posted by: Fustigator at November 24, 2015 09:09 PM
Yes, it's true. Hence, the Twenty-One Foot Rule
Posted by: AltonJackson at November 24, 2015 09:16 PM (KCxzN)
Your thermometer sucks.
Get a new one. And pull your steak 7 degrees or so before your desired end temp to allow for carryover.
Posted by: Ric James at November 24, 2015 09:17 PM (fCzIg)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2015 09:17 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 24, 2015 09:12 PM (hVdx9)
I'm on your side, dumbass.
The disconnect is one of terminology and its bearing on legal intent. In COJs time, you were trained to center punch the target to kill it, period. It's the most effective method when under duress. However, you can't say that any more because it's "too aggressive." So you train to "shoot center mass until the threat is neutralized." This does not change what happens when the bullet strikes center mass, it only changes a jury's (and the public's) perception.
Posted by: Country Singer at November 24, 2015 09:17 PM (GUBah)
It was only in the last 3-4 years that he embraced modern HP ammo.
I see some other old timers mired in the past on this thread.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 24, 2015 09:17 PM (hVdx9)
Someone punched him in the nose really hard?
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at November 24, 2015 09:18 PM (0IhFx)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 24, 2015 09:14 PM (45oDG)
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Carol Marin is still doing her thing? Gosh she's been there forever. She must be botoxed to the hilt by now. I rarely watch the Chicago news, although I get their stations here.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at November 24, 2015 09:18 PM (dFi94)
Posted by: bestie21 at November 24, 2015 08:47 PM (HUeC4)
Let us know when you become just as concerned over the much more frequent killing of blacks BY BLACKS and of whites BY BLACKS, and the apparently unjustified killing of whites BY BLACK COPS.
Posted by: despair at November 24, 2015 09:18 PM (VrdxH)
Obama clenched when he did not expect him to?
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 24, 2015 09:19 PM (hVdx9)
Protesters take to Chicago streets.
I'd recommend online shopping this Christmas season to any Chicago morons.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 24, 2015 08:11 PM (4ErVI)
It's about 80-100 people. A lot of Billy Ayres looking scum. The Chicago media is really trying to drum this up into something big. Hopefully the crowd will move to their studios on State Street and start throwing bricks through the windows. F them all
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 24, 2015 09:19 PM (45oDG)
Thermometer is brand new and it accurately registers room temperature
Posted by: chemjeff at November 24, 2015 09:19 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: RKae at November 24, 2015 09:12 PM (u5c0o)
"When a cop yells 'Freeze', you 'Freeze'"
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at November 24, 2015 09:20 PM (AC0lD)
Chicago is/has been a fcuking war zone in certain neighborhoods for quite a while and....violence is normal and expected...particularly in certain neighborhoods and pertaining to certain age/sex residents thereof .
The trial of this cop will be one for the ages. The stuff the cop says he saw(most likely form statements immediately after the incident) and what the video says will not be close...
Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at November 24, 2015 09:20 PM (3ZttN)
Posted by: All Teh Meh at November 24, 2015 09:20 PM (nithJ)
Don't worry, NOAA will adjust the temperature up.
Posted by: Read "The History of the 2nd Amendment" at November 24, 2015 09:21 PM (LHNU4)
Posted by: Country Singer at November 24, 2015 09:21 PM (GUBah)
Someone punched him in the nose really hard?
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at November 24, 2015 09:18 PM (0IhFx)
*****
Gawd it took me awhile to get that. Saw a bit of him...at the press conference for this and he was trying to do this tough guy act with his water bottle. Glaring at everyone.
Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 24, 2015 09:22 PM (mcm0N)
Without audio one can only assume the cops were ordering him to drop his weapon, which he didn't do...
Cops had no choice but to neutralize the threat to themselves and the general public.
Anyway, all of this is being orchestrated to get specific voting blocks out to vote, being that all of these incidents without exception are happening in blue states one has to wonder how this is going to play out nationally.
Posted by: Kreplach at November 24, 2015 09:22 PM (WVvzl)
Posted by: the chicken at November 24, 2015 09:22 PM (0dcbp)
Posted by: Had to come up with something before vacation at November 24, 2015 09:23 PM (53CCM)
followed the directions from last night's ONT, and I ended up cooking a
well done steak but the temperature reading from the meat thermometer
never got over 110 degrees. Anybody know what is going on?
Was the steak overdone for your taste? Meat thermometers are notoriously inaccurate unless you spend some money on a good digital one. Did you cook it in a pan on top of the stove?
Posted by: dartist at November 24, 2015 09:23 PM (/tTDo)
Okay. That's an action I can take. Probably one of the only actions that will make a difference.
Good night friends.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at November 24, 2015 09:23 PM (dFi94)
I watched the Blaze's tape. Driving, driving, driving, driving, driving, then about five minutes in the car stops and this guy is shot by some cop off camera. If that's all they have we really have no idea what was going on there.
Posted by: despair at November 24, 2015 09:23 PM (VrdxH)
Posted by: CNN at November 24, 2015 09:24 PM (53CCM)
They're trained in the use of deadly force. The operative term being deadly.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 24, 2015 09:03 PM (+bVzV)
But we are not trained to shoot to kill. If that were tge case, training would include a coup de grace to make sure.
You shoot until the threat is over. If, in the course of doing so, the bad guy dies, that is tragic.
(15 years as a FLETC trained firearms instructor).
Posted by: Elliot at November 24, 2015 09:24 PM (2D8bw)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at November 24, 2015 09:24 PM (OonV9)
I asked only because someone I know said "he had to have reloaded". I said that if he took the time to reload when the guy was already on the ground that fact would certainly be in the indictment and it was not. Therefore I assume he did not reload
For those like Country Singer who answered an honest question with kindness, thank you
Posted by: ThunderB at November 24, 2015 09:24 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Willy J. at November 24, 2015 09:24 PM (wHX4r)
For those who missed Charlie Brown http://youtu.be/LQ961y0VKEk
Nice.
I just downloaded it. I will watch it in a few minutes.
Posted by: Soothsayer, with arms akimbo at November 24, 2015 09:24 PM (ApM8l)
Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 24, 2015 09:24 PM (mcm0N)
Lets not go astray here. Your statement in 287 that I gave you grief over was:
Nope. They are trained to shoot to stop. Center mass with good ammo allows you to stop the attack with the fewest number of shots. This allows the good guy AND the bad guy a better shot at living.[i/]
They are not[i/] trained to shoot to stop[b/]. They are trained to use deadly force when necessary. The operative term being deadly. When deadly force is used, there is no overriding concern or attempt to stop the aggressor without killing him. If it works out that way well; bully for him.
Yes, you are correct in that no gun is going to be 100% in ending the life of an assailant however, I would argue that the cases you cited are the exception rather than the rule.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 24, 2015 09:24 PM (+bVzV)
Wife and I turned Jeopardy off last night because we couldn't bear that dam up talker who won!
Posted by: Sanfranpsycho at November 24, 2015 09:25 PM (afaIk)
The disconnect is one of terminology and its bearing on legal intent. In COJs time, you were trained to center punch the target to kill it, period. It's the most effective method when under duress. However, you can't say that any more because it's "too aggressive." So you train to "shoot center mass until the threat is neutralized." This does not change what happens when the bullet strikes center mass, it only changes a jury's (and the public's) perception.
Posted by: Country Singer
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Well, I am drinking and that may skew my perception.
A HP bullet has been shown medically and legally (in court) to be the best way to protect the good guy and give the bad guy a chance at living.
Like I said, been studying this stuff for almost 30 years. The more holes you put in a bad guy, the less likely they are to survive regardless of ammo used.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 24, 2015 09:25 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: dogfish at November 24, 2015 09:25 PM (0O2Lr)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at November 24, 2015 09:25 PM (OonV9)
Posted by: dogfish at November 24, 2015 09:25 PM (0O2Lr)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 24, 2015 09:25 PM (+bVzV)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 24, 2015 09:25 PM (FkBIv)
Always poke your steaks with your finger and you can learn what each level of cooked feels like.
Ever shoot meat?
You can learn how your bullets will penetrate flesh at different distances.
Posted by: Soothsayer, with arms akimbo at November 24, 2015 09:26 PM (ApM8l)
Posted by: Teh Barrel at November 24, 2015 09:26 PM (KCxzN)
Posted by: dogfish at November 24, 2015 09:26 PM (0O2Lr)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 24, 2015 09:26 PM (FkBIv)
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at November 24, 2015 09:20 PM (AC0lD)
No, you go kick there ass.
Posted by: Zombie Mike Brown at November 24, 2015 09:27 PM (T78UI)
CrotchetyOldJarhead, didn't you learn anything from yesterday's snafu??
That was you, wasn't it?
Posted by: Soothsayer, with arms akimbo at November 24, 2015 09:27 PM (ApM8l)
Posted by: dartist at November 24, 2015 09:27 PM (/tTDo)
thermometers are notoriously inaccurate unless you spend some money on a
good digital one. Did you cook it in a pan on top of the stove?
Posted by: dartist at November 24, 2015 09:23 PM (/tTDo)
Mine is a $5 analog thermometer that is brand new. Yes I cooked it on a pan on the stovetop, and yes it was way overdone. I kept cooking it though, 4 minutes per side, because the thermometer kept reading 110 degrees. I only took it off when the whole kitchen was full of smoke and the outside of the steak was almost entirely black. I cooked it a total of 16 minutes (4x4 mins) on medium-high heat on my glass top electric stove.
Posted by: chemjeff at November 24, 2015 09:27 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at November 24, 2015 09:28 PM (OonV9)
Posted by: ThunderB at November 24, 2015 09:28 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: B Cosby at November 24, 2015 09:28 PM (wHX4r)
I cook inch thick strips for 6 minutes, and let them rest the same.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at November 24, 2015 09:29 PM (OonV9)
He can plead Virtual Insanity.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at November 24, 2015 09:29 PM (oVJmc)
Homegrown French ISIS fighters issue warning to Hollande...
'We will come to crush country'...
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So, does ISIS really think France is going to allow this? What idiots. lol
Posted by: Mustapha Kunt -- With a Wang! at November 24, 2015 09:29 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 24, 2015 09:29 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: chemjeff at November 24, 2015 09:29 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Mortimer at November 24, 2015 09:29 PM (0dcbp)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 24, 2015 09:29 PM (JW++Q)
"Whatever you can see--aim for the middle of it" is just common sense.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at November 24, 2015 09:29 PM (u5gzz)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at November 24, 2015 09:30 PM (ucDmr)
Or better yet, eat raw.
Posted by: Gollum at November 24, 2015 09:31 PM (eUK5G)
When you ask people why they carry a .45, what do they say?
Posted by: Soothsayer, with arms akimbo at November 24, 2015 09:31 PM (ApM8l)
Posted by: Elliot at November 24, 2015 09:31 PM (2D8bw)
Fine. I have no fucks to give
Posted by: ThunderB at November 24, 2015 09:32 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: The steer at November 24, 2015 09:32 PM (FkBIv)
Posted by: tu3031 at November 24, 2015 09:32 PM (EDYaR)
Posted by: chemjeff at November 24, 2015 09:19 PM (uZNvH)
Check it with boiling water. If okay, maybe you didn't insert it deep enough. And stop cooking 5-7 degrees before it reads how you want your steak.
Posted by: Ed Anger at November 24, 2015 09:33 PM (RcpcZ)
Posted by: Gollum at November 24, 2015 09:33 PM (eUK5G)
Same problem with Flash alert every single reload telling me it's out of date.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 24, 2015 09:34 PM (BBctT)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 24, 2015 09:35 PM (45oDG)
Same problem with Flash alert every single reload telling me it's out of date.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill
****
It's a trap?
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 24, 2015 09:35 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Soothsayer, with arms akimbo at November 24, 2015 09:31 PM
If the 9mm was a good weapon, the Pope would have been killed.
Posted by: Mehmet Ali Agca at November 24, 2015 09:36 PM (+bVzV)
Itsa trap
Turn off flash and you won't have a problem and eliminate a bunch of other problems.
Posted by: Admiral Akbar at November 24, 2015 09:36 PM (jD+em)
pan on the stovetop, and yes it was way overdone. I kept cooking it
though, 4 minutes per side, because the thermometer kept reading 110
degrees. I only took it off when the whole kitchen was full of smoke and
the outside of the steak was almost entirely black. I cooked it a total
of 16 minutes (4x4 mins) on medium-high heat on my glass top electric
stove.
Throw the thermometer out or return it. Rub a little olive oil and salt on the steak at room temp.Turn the fire under the pan to high with nothing in it. Let the pan get really hot, like if you run a little water on a finger and flick it into the pan it sizzles. Drop the steak in and start counting. After 2 1/2 or 3 minutes take a look. If it's brown flip it and start counting again. Drop a couple tablespoons of butter into the pan and when it's melted baste the top of the steak until the same time is up. If it's too rare stick in the pan or microwave for a few secs until it's to your liking. You don't need a thermometer IMHO.
Posted by: dartist at November 24, 2015 09:36 PM (/tTDo)
Same problem with Flash alert every single reload telling me it's out of date.
Get a new, more expensive thermometer.
Posted by: Ed Anger at November 24, 2015 09:37 PM (RcpcZ)
Because they don't make a .46.
I'm good with 9mm myself.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at November 24, 2015 09:37 PM (u5gzz)
This war is lost.
Posted by: Admiral Akbar at November 24, 2015 09:39 PM (jD+em)
Posted by: chemjeff at November 24, 2015 09:27 PM (uZNvH)
Next time put it in a skillet. Or under the broiler.
Posted by: Ed Anger at November 24, 2015 09:39 PM (RcpcZ)
Otherwise, .45 acp.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 24, 2015 09:40 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 24, 2015 09:40 PM (sjc35)
And 16 Minutes is a long ass time to be cooking a steak.
Posted by: Ric James at November 24, 2015 09:41 PM (fCzIg)
I cooked it a total of 16 minutes (4x4 mins) on medium-high heat on my glass top electric stove.
Way too long and not hot enough.
Posted by: dartist at November 24, 2015 09:41 PM (/tTDo)
Posted by: chemjeff at November 24, 2015 09:41 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 24, 2015 09:40 PM (sjc35)
***
Tell him Ming's daughter's a dude.
Posted by: Mahty Heideggah at November 24, 2015 09:41 PM (/33sy)
Did your steak go straight from the fridge to the pan?
And 16 Minutes is a long ass time to be cooking a steak.
Posted by: Ric James at November 24, 2015 09:41 PM (fCzIg)
No, the steak was at room temperature first
I only cooked it so long because the temperature kept reading 110 degrees
Posted by: chemjeff at November 24, 2015 09:42 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: irongrampa at November 24, 2015 09:42 PM (jeCnD)
I cooked it a total of 16 minutes (4x4 mins) on medium-high heat on my glass top electric stove.
Way too long and not hot enough.
Posted by: dartist at November 24, 2015 09:41 PM (/tTDo)
Okay I will try it on high heat
Posted by: chemjeff at November 24, 2015 09:43 PM (uZNvH)
I'd also suspect the thermometer. I had a similar experience with a store-bought analog thermometer. It never got up to what the cookbook said it should. I looked on Amazon and bought a Taylor digital thermometer based on the reviews. I don't remember whether it has a model number, but it's yellow. It seems to work much better.
Posted by: rickl at November 24, 2015 09:44 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: chemjeff at November 24, 2015 09:44 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: ThunderB at November 24, 2015 09:44 PM (zOTsN)
Stops autoplay vid.
I turned off flash so long ago I've forgotten how. I'll have to look it up. Might be the start button, then control panel, then remove software then remove flash.
In the browsers it's manage addons.
I took everything adobe off this old box, everything except reader and only kept that for a few .pdfs I have.
Posted by: Admiral Akbar at November 24, 2015 09:45 PM (jD+em)
Posted by: TheThinMan at November 24, 2015 09:45 PM (lc1Qv)
Posted by: goatexchange - proud southwesterner at November 24, 2015 09:46 PM (zEnki)
Posted by: Mortimer at November 24, 2015 09:46 PM (0dcbp)
Posted by: James Garner at November 24, 2015 09:46 PM (wHX4r)
Posted by: dartist at November 24, 2015 09:47 PM (/tTDo)
Posted by: Simon the Pieman at November 24, 2015 09:47 PM (jD+em)
Posted by: Mr. Wizard at November 24, 2015 09:48 PM (hCdMd)
Wife and I turned Jeopardy off last night because we couldn't bear that dam up talker who won!
Posted by: Sanfranpsycho
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The Weirdtalker won last night, lost tonight. It was torture watching.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2015 09:49 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: TheThinMan at November 24, 2015 09:49 PM (lc1Qv)
Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, The Highlander at November 24, 2015 09:49 PM (COpZ4)
Posted by: chemjeff at November 24, 2015 09:44 PM (uZNvH)
Yes it will, but it will probably be gray on the outside and well done on the inside. For red meat use high heat. And if your thermometer reads about 32 in melting ice and 212 in boiling water it's good, no need to buy a new one.
Posted by: Ed Anger at November 24, 2015 09:49 PM (RcpcZ)
So if I cook it for a long time at a temperature that is too low, it will still get done?
It'll get tough and dry because there's not enough fat in it. Hot and fast is the trick.
Posted by: dartist at November 24, 2015 09:49 PM (/tTDo)
Heat your oven has hot as it will go. Put cast iron skillet in it to soak up the heat. While all that is heating, pat dry your steak and sprinkle with koshering salt. Pat with some oil. When the oven is preheated, take the skillet up to the range top on high heat. Turn on the fan. When the skillet starts to smoke, throw the steaks in. Use tongs not a fork. After a minute, flip the steaks. After another minute, flip the steaks and move the skillet to the oven. Flip after a minute. Take out after another minute or minute and a half. If you want medium 2 extra minutes. Put the steaks on the counter to rest for 5 or six minutes. Eat.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at November 24, 2015 09:50 PM (OonV9)
Posted by: Simon the Pieman
You might try poached eggs.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 24, 2015 09:50 PM (FkBIv)
Manslaughter would have been more accurate.
is that an option for the jury?
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 24, 2015 09:50 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 24, 2015 09:50 PM (Vm7UX)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 24, 2015 09:51 PM (Vm7UX)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at November 24, 2015 09:52 PM (2d71x)
Posted by: Simon the Pieman at November 24, 2015 09:52 PM (jD+em)
Posted by: dartist at November 24, 2015 09:52 PM (/tTDo)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at November 24, 2015 09:53 PM (OonV9)
I will wait for the Jewish riots, looting and police attacks
And wait
Posted by: ThunderB at November 24, 2015 09:54 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky
****
I saw the writing on the wall and chose not to pursue a career in LE. One of the few times I made the right call in life.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 24, 2015 09:55 PM (hVdx9)
If a restaurant served you a black steak, would you think they did a good job of cooking it? The answer is -- No.
Also, steaks don't need to be cooked to a certain internal temperature at all. If you just briefly seared each side, then served it, it would be rare but perfectly safe to eat, as the searing kills any external bacteria but the internal meat is safe from being contaminated. Steaks are not like chicken (or more importantly, pork) that can have internal bad nasties present. Hamburger, being put thru a grinder first, can also have nasties present anywhere in the meat; thus the need to cook past internal pink to be sure of killing off any e coli present.
Restaurants cook steaks over a uniform temperature source, and time the exposure to the degree of doneness ordered.
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 24, 2015 09:56 PM (gyKtp)
Only a few people out of many made those comments. Chicago can join NYC, DC and the whole state of California as places that have received uncalled for comments at this blog. People can be asses but it's not the whole aos community.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at November 24, 2015 09:57 PM (2d71x)
FYI....American pork is safe to eat rare. There is no trichinosis in commercial pork. The only stuff that is dangerous is the small farm stuff where the pigs are fed scraps instead of commercial pork feed.
I said safe. Not good. I think pork should be cooked to medium.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 24, 2015 10:00 PM (Zu3d9)
Manslaughter would have been more accurate.
is that an option for the jury?
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 24, 2015 09:50 PM (hVdx9)
The state's attorney is a complete idiot. She's pandering to the mob with this. I'm sure the political criminals that run the city think this will appease the mob
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 24, 2015 10:00 PM (45oDG)
Posted by: donna at November 24, 2015 10:01 PM (/dSsq)
http://commoncts.blogspot.com/2015/11/raw-video-chicago-police-dashcam-video.html
Posted by: Steve at November 24, 2015 10:02 PM (eVV8Z)
I saw a show on the food channel about buffets in Vegas. The buffet scraps are sold to a local pig farm. Best fed pigs in America.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at November 24, 2015 10:03 PM (2d71x)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 24, 2015 09:55 PM
Well you sure as hell didn't make it with that business of shooting to stop.
Just kidding!Posted by: The Muffled Voice From Inside the Barrel at November 24, 2015 10:03 PM (+bVzV)
with this. I'm sure the political criminals that run the city think this
will appease the mob
They don't call it Crook County for nothing.
Posted by: dartist at November 24, 2015 10:03 PM (/tTDo)
Posted by: rickl at November 24, 2015 10:04 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: CBD
Yeah, I knew that CBD but I was trying to make a point specifically about treating USDA steaks different than all other meats in terms of eating them rare without worry.
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 24, 2015 10:05 PM (gyKtp)
with this. I'm sure the political criminals that run the city think this
will appease the mob
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Why, it's almost like Baltimore.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2015 10:05 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 24, 2015 09:35 PM (45oDG)
Oh, that fucker... what does Michigan Avenue have to do with any of this? Hey, how about marching in your own goddamned neighborhood where there are black murders every week?
Posted by: Gem at November 24, 2015 10:05 PM (c+gwp)
But my Mom said.
And the good part is the way she cooked it (well sort of since she killed it) But I don't know if I would ever be comfortable with medium pork. No matter what logic says. And conversely I still like medium rare beef burgers. That may be more dangerous.
Posted by: Willy J. at November 24, 2015 10:06 PM (wHX4r)
Posted by: chavez the hugo at November 24, 2015 10:06 PM (ucDmr)
He isn't dead. But did you know a yeshiva student walking home tonight
in Woodbury NY was shot in the back. No motive other than him being a
Jew
I will wait for the Jewish riots, looting and police attacks
And wait
Posted by: ThunderB at November 24, 2015 09:54 PM (zOTsN)
How about the pastor's pregnant wife who was murdered by the innocent lambs. That story disappeared in hours. Where are the riots over that?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 24, 2015 10:06 PM (45oDG)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 24, 2015 10:06 PM (FkBIv)
Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2015 10:06 PM (vsbNu)
Posted by: TheQuietMan
****
I think you are right. If they do not convict on lesser charge, will probably be riots. Gird your loins folks.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 24, 2015 10:07 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: donna
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Air time. And they are getting it. Though the ultimate aim is stirring the shit stew.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2015 10:07 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: ThunderB at November 24, 2015 10:07 PM (zOTsN)
Declare victory and go home?
Peace with honor?
Who do we negotiate with?
Posted by: Simon the Pieman at November 24, 2015 10:07 PM (jD+em)
Stove top, it's all feel, looking at the juice, color and most of all experience.
We gain wisdom from experience.
We gain experience from mistakes. (Mis-Steaks?)
Make lots of mistakes, and grow wise.
In other words, you're going to have to cook yourself up a half dozen attempts to get it right, and take notes, even if just memorizing what you've done.
When you get it right, then learn to do it that way repeatedly, consistently and reliably.
After that, you can adjust for different "doneness", and begin to serve for guests.
I won't bother posting my technique here, as it's rather different from Teh Horde, but I'll tell you one thing.... it results in a really, really good steak.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at November 24, 2015 10:07 PM (McRlu)
Posted by: donna at November 24, 2015 10:08 PM (/dSsq)
do with any of this? Hey, how about marching in your own goddamned
neighborhood where there are black murders every week?
Posted by: Gem at November 24, 2015 10:05 PM (c+gwp)
Exactly. That POS Flamer ought to take his rent a mob to Stoney Island or King Drive. Just mind the gun fire.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 24, 2015 10:08 PM (45oDG)
Posted by: The Muffled Voice From Inside the Barrel
****
Don't make me shake the barrel. You'll end up touching the sides and we KNOW you don't want that.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 24, 2015 10:08 PM (hVdx9)
Ain't no 'may' to it. Now, if you grind your own hamburger, that's a different story.
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 24, 2015 10:09 PM (gyKtp)
Posted by: donna at November 24, 2015 10:08 PM (/dSsq)
Let me move out first then they can have at it. But I wouldn't mind seeing the mobs run amok against the affluent leftists in the city
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 24, 2015 10:09 PM (45oDG)
You are right but I don't bungee jump I do undercook my burgers though. Geronimo.
Posted by: Willy J. at November 24, 2015 10:14 PM (wHX4r)
Posted by: TheQuietMan
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They will buy indulgences by throwing the cops into the volcano, as it were.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2015 10:14 PM (9mTYi)
I have a dear friend who lives in Hyde Park......can we cut her some slack?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 24, 2015 10:14 PM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2015 10:15 PM (vsbNu)
Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2015 10:15 PM (vsbNu)
Bastards always evade the consequences of their actions. Unless and until...well, you get the picture.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at November 24, 2015 10:16 PM (m9V0o)
Except for the democrat rule, and all the rot that comes with it.
If someone would at least figure out how to save the legendary Chicago steakhouses, it'd be a good start.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at November 24, 2015 10:17 PM (McRlu)
Posted by: The Muffled Voice From Inside the Barrel at November 24, 2015 10:17 PM (+bVzV)
Posted by: tom_06060 at November 24, 2015 10:17 PM (9GCLu)
Posted by: Chicago Protester at November 24, 2015 10:17 PM (vsbNu)
Ah....good point.
People tend to see food-borne illness as something magical and unknowable. But as you pointed out, the bacteria on the outside of a steak is going to be vaporized in the 500-800 degree heat of the grill or the broiler or the cast-iron pan. It's science. Nothing mysterious at all!
Hell, I have eaten steaks that were cool on the inside, and with great relish!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 24, 2015 10:18 PM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: Simon the Pieman at November 24, 2015 10:20 PM (jD+em)
Yet another Republican, conservative hotbed infested with institutional racism.
Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at November 24, 2015 10:20 PM (uqqRG)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 24, 2015 10:18 PM (Zu3d9)
What kind of relish? Surely not pickle.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 24, 2015 10:20 PM (kpqmD)
Posted by: logprof, not in Chicago at November 24, 2015 10:21 PM (vsbNu)
Posted by: Simon the Pieman at November 24, 2015 10:22 PM (jD+em)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 24, 2015 10:22 PM (oQh9y)
Posted by: logprof, not in Chicago at November 24, 2015 10:22 PM (vsbNu)
Posted by: Simon the Pieman at November 24, 2015 10:24 PM (jD+em)
You said that already.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 24, 2015 10:22 PM (oQh9y)
He likes new threads.
Posted by: rickl at November 24, 2015 10:24 PM (sdi6R)
You said that already.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 24, 2015 10:22 PM (oQh9y)
--First, I insisted. Then, I asked politely.
Still, no dice.
Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2015 10:24 PM (vsbNu)
I wish that Chicago media would pay this close attention to things like Hillary's email, the shooting gallery in Austin and Englewood, Bill Ayers and his buddy Obama, the public pension crisis and who really caused it, and the math behind what public employees make, taxes, sales taxes, the lack of economic opportunity here, regulation against starting a small business, the shitty public school system along with the Democratic Party's deliberate moves to debilitate charter schools and stop school choice.
Maybe I should move to Texas.
Posted by: pointsnfigures at November 24, 2015 10:24 PM (hSpC/)
Posted by: logprof, not in Chicago at November 24, 2015 10:22 PM (vsbNu)
Your FACE has become tiresome!
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 24, 2015 10:25 PM (kpqmD)
Posted by: dartist at November 24, 2015 10:25 PM (/tTDo)
You said that already.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 24, 2015 10:22 PM (oQh9y)
He likes new threads.
Posted by: rickl at November 24, 2015 10:24 PM (sdi6R)
--Actually, the prior thread was more interesting, but this one stomped it. *SIGH*
Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2015 10:26 PM (vsbNu)
Posted by: Simon the Pieman at November 24, 2015 10:24 PM (jD+em)
***
By me, you look for the mustachioed gentleman with the handpainted "cabrito" sign on his truck. He's usually in the Walmart parking lot, rarely on their search engine.
Posted by: Mahty Heideggah at November 24, 2015 10:26 PM (/33sy)
Posted by: All Teh Meh at November 24, 2015 10:26 PM (nithJ)
Posted by: ThunderB at November 24, 2015 10:26 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Simon the Pieman at November 24, 2015 10:26 PM (jD+em)
Posted by: Jim at November 24, 2015 10:17 PM (McRlu)
*****
Let us not forget that food from the Gods, the real deep dish pizza joints.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 24, 2015 10:27 PM (xNYi9)
Posted by: Willy J. at November 24, 2015 10:31 PM (wHX4r)
Posted by: MaCoy, Lenard MD at November 24, 2015 10:31 PM (jD+em)
Posted by: Methos at November 24, 2015 10:31 PM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2015 10:15 PM (vsbNu)
510 New thread please?
Posted by: logprof
--
First double post that I have seen in a month or two.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2015 10:32 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: raykon at November 24, 2015 10:32 PM (vsbNu)
Posted by: Willy J. at November 24, 2015 10:31 PM (wHX4r)
*****
Do those even exist in Chicago? They did not when I was growing up there.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 24, 2015 10:32 PM (xNYi9)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2015 10:32 PM (9mTYi)
Looks like you're going to have to "demand."
We'll stand by.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 24, 2015 10:32 PM (Ng9ni)
The Pizza Huts?
---
No, the ones where you wonder if that sausage may have been a rat this morning and you don't even care.
Posted by: Methos at November 24, 2015 10:33 PM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: AltonJackson at November 24, 2015 10:33 PM (3OmDk)
any time now.
Posted by: Smith the Lesser at November 24, 2015 10:33 PM (jD+em)
Posted by: 18-1 at November 24, 2015 10:33 PM (5LOno)
I like LL Bean, and Cabela's. Sometimes Lands End.
Posted by: Simon
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*snobbishly peruses a Ben Silver catalog*
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2015 10:34 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Methos at November 24, 2015 10:33 PM (ZbV+0)
*****
That sounds more like an Indiana knockoff joint.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 24, 2015 10:34 PM (xNYi9)
We'll stand by.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 24, 2015 10:32 PM (Ng9ni)
New post, please!!!!!
Posted by: logprof delivers at November 24, 2015 10:34 PM (vsbNu)
Posted by: rickl at November 24, 2015 10:35 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Mister Ghost at November 24, 2015 10:35 PM (nnvR5)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2015 10:35 PM (9mTYi)
Black thug was robbing a store with a knife, TV shows little angel in a graduation gown.
F'n sick of this.
Posted by: despair at November 24, 2015 07:49 PM (VrdxH)
I'm surprised the MFM didn't add angel wings and a halo to the little lamb's photo
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 24, 2015 10:35 PM (45oDG)
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 24, 2015 10:36 PM (kpqmD)
Posted by: rickl at November 24, 2015 10:35 PM (sdi6R)
--So did you decide on a Thanksgiving dinner?
Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2015 10:36 PM (vsbNu)
Posted by: Methos at November 24, 2015 10:33 PM (ZbV+0)
*****
That sounds more like an Indiana knockoff joint.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 24, 2015 10:34 PM (xNYi9)
***
I've reached that point with the cuisine of the next woman destined to break my heart and wreck my peace of mind. Southeast Asia - say no more.
Posted by: Mahty Heideggah at November 24, 2015 10:36 PM (/33sy)
Posted by: Smith the Lesser at November 24, 2015 10:36 PM (jD+em)
Posted by: logprof delivers at November 24, 2015 10:34 PM (vsbNu)
******
Don't forget that blog works on its own virtual time. Synchronize for 5 minutes from reality.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 24, 2015 10:37 PM (xNYi9)
Posted by: All Teh Meh wages war on shitty condiments at November 24, 2015 10:37 PM (VviqM)
I saw about 80 people. A lot of professional protestors. Whites with dreadlocks members of the communist party types. Of course the MFM is trying to hype it up.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 24, 2015 10:38 PM (45oDG)
Posted by: All Teh Meh wages war on shitty condiments at November 24, 2015 10:37 PM (VviqM)
Hey now, horsey sauce is awesome!
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 24, 2015 10:38 PM (kpqmD)
Posted by: L, Elle at November 24, 2015 10:38 PM (2x3L+)
Go drop out and fuck your ugly, shriveled wife, Jeb!
Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2015 10:39 PM (vsbNu)
Posted by: rickl at November 24, 2015 10:35 PM (sdi6R)
--So did you decide on a Thanksgiving dinner?
Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2015 10:36 PM (vsbNu)
Yeah, I bought my traditional Hungry Man turkey dinner tonight.
Posted by: rickl at November 24, 2015 10:39 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 24, 2015 10:39 PM (DTWNG)
Posted by: Carol at November 24, 2015 10:39 PM (sj3Ax)
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 24, 2015 10:36 PM (kpqmD)
*****
Nah, that's what that paper thin crust NY pizza crap turns into.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 24, 2015 10:40 PM (xNYi9)
Posted by: L, Elle at November 24, 2015 10:40 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: eman at November 24, 2015 10:40 PM (MQEz6)
hadn't robbed a store (if I am reading it right) ... the cop wouldn't
have shot him?
Posted by: 18-1 at November 24, 2015 10:33 PM (5LOno)
I'm sure that racism and white privilege forced Laquan to rob the store. Being the honor roll student and member of church choir that he was
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 24, 2015 10:41 PM (45oDG)
Posted by: rickl at November 24, 2015 10:39 PM (sdi6R)
Livin the high life
Posted by: Doom Rider at November 24, 2015 10:41 PM (ck8TA)
Posted by: Rahmbo at November 24, 2015 10:41 PM (BO/km)
Rick, I forget where you live. Now, now it's only been a few years since I asked, so.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 24, 2015 10:41 PM (DTWNG)
Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2015 10:41 PM (vsbNu)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2015 10:41 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Willy J. at November 24, 2015 10:41 PM (wHX4r)
Rick, I forget where you live. Now, now it's only been a few years since I asked, so.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 24, 2015 10:41 PM (DTWNG)
Northern Philly suburbs.
Posted by: rickl at November 24, 2015 10:42 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: rickl at November 24, 2015 10:39 PM (sdi6R)
--Good call.
Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2015 10:42 PM (vsbNu)
Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2015 10:43 PM (vsbNu)
Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2015 10:41 PM (vsbNu)
The asshole wants to shut down Michigan Ave. on Friday. I'm hoping the crowds trample him under foot.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 24, 2015 10:44 PM (45oDG)
Posted by: Willy J. at November 24, 2015 10:41 PM (wHX4r)
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Let us know how that goes. People say deep fried turkey is amazing, but I hate dealing with splattering oil so I haven't tried it.
Posted by: L, Elle at November 24, 2015 10:44 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: freaked at November 24, 2015 10:44 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: L, Elle
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Best done outside.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2015 10:45 PM (9mTYi)
Civil unrest in the once-great cities of a once-great nation....
Turkey downs a Russian warplane, whose crew are machine-gunned by rebels on their way down, and whose rescue chopper is nailed by rebels we back with an anti-tank weapon....
And we're bored. Or maybe we're just tired.
Posted by: Mahty Heideggah at November 24, 2015 10:46 PM (/33sy)
Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2015 10:43 PM (vsbNu)
And have his phony negro accent forcibly removed.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 24, 2015 10:46 PM (45oDG)
But I don't understand the hostility you yankee people have towards other yankee people's style of pizza. It's all delicious.
Posted by: CozMark at November 24, 2015 10:46 PM (CbGSW)
I hate dealing with splattering oil so I haven't tried it.>>>
Bought the electric fryer to minimize the burning the house down deal.
Posted by: Willy J. at November 24, 2015 10:47 PM (wHX4r)
Posted by: L, Elle at November 24, 2015 10:47 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: CozMark at November 24, 2015 10:46 PM (CbGSW)
*****
We're at over 500 posts here. We're bored.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 24, 2015 10:48 PM (xNYi9)
Posted by: rickl at November 24, 2015 10:48 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Gollum at November 24, 2015 10:48 PM (eUK5G)
Posted by: CozMark at November 24, 2015 10:46 PM (CbGSW)
Not a Yankee. Just don't like deep dish.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 24, 2015 10:48 PM (kpqmD)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 24, 2015 10:49 PM (VzKt1)
Posted by: freaked at November 24, 2015 10:44 PM (BO/km)
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Now, come one. You can't be a tease like that. What did you see?
Posted by: L, Elle at November 24, 2015 10:50 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: FCF at November 24, 2015 10:50 PM (kejii)
Posted by: rickl at November 24, 2015 10:48 PM (sdi6R)
*****
Watch the friendly fire, damnit!
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 24, 2015 10:50 PM (xNYi9)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at November 24, 2015 10:50 PM (m9V0o)
The answer is: Stopping power.
When you ask someone why they carry a .45, they'll tell you because 'stopping power.'
Posted by: Soothsayer, with arms akimbo at November 24, 2015 10:50 PM (ApM8l)
Posted by: Blacksheep at November 24, 2015 10:51 PM (bS6uW)
Posted by: Smith the Lesser at November 24, 2015 10:52 PM (jD+em)
I want my
I want my O N T
Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at November 24, 2015 10:50 PM (m9V0o)
--It does not have to be an open thread, just anything beside the old boring racial shit we get fed every month or more.
Posted by: logprof at November 24, 2015 10:53 PM (vsbNu)
There was a notorious biker dive in which I occasionally ventured where I knew better than to bitch about the pours or the timeliness of service, because the bartenders would wring out their bartop rags into your next round if you dared do so.
I'm NOT knocking back anything that has had a Barrel cleaning rag squeezed out into it. No sirree.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 24, 2015 10:53 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: freaked at November 24, 2015 10:53 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: L, Elle at November 24, 2015 10:47 PM (2x3L+)
Do they do that now?
I worked at an Arby's in college ca. (oh fuck) 1980, and we roasted six or eight huge slabs of actual beef at a time.
Of course, Burger King used to actually flame broil their burgers.
Who decided that good fast food was a bad idea?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 24, 2015 10:53 PM (1xUj/)
Posted by: CozMark
Yeah, there's no such thing as bad pizza.
Some just have preferences.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 24, 2015 10:53 PM (FkBIv)
Posted by: L, Elle at November 24, 2015 10:54 PM (2x3L+)
because a 12 ga is too long, awkward to carry, and difficult to conceal?
Posted by: Smith the Lesser at November 24, 2015 10:54 PM (jD+em)
Posted by: Soothsayer, with arms akimbo at November 24, 2015 10:50 PM (ApM8l)
I think John Moses Browning would approve this message!
Posted by: Hrothgar at November 24, 2015 10:55 PM (ftVQq)
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It involved saliva, semen, or a penis? Am I close?
Posted by: L, Elle at November 24, 2015 10:55 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: torquewrench at November 24, 2015 10:53 PM (noWW6)
*****
In a bar I worked at in College, the loser at quarters had to do a "squeezins" shot at the end of arter work game. It made one get real good at quarters real quick.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 24, 2015 10:56 PM (xNYi9)
Posted by: SMFH at November 24, 2015 10:56 PM (zyIlW)
As a damnyankee (well, in part), I have the same attitude toward the vicious sectarian religious wars in the South over barbecue.
People! People! Hey y'all's there! Calm down. I will arbitrate this dispute and declare one style of BBQ the champion. I will require samples. Many samples. This may culminate in a multiple-round runoff.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 24, 2015 10:57 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: L, Elle
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*pulls out fast food list*
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2015 10:57 PM (9mTYi)
About 8 or 9 bucks a liter - surprisingly, it's not quite as bad as you might think.
Just the thing to warm the body and numb the soul.
Posted by: Mahty Heideggah at November 24, 2015 10:57 PM (/33sy)
Of course, rioting advances Obama's agenda-"Let's get rid of the police-they're all bad and institute some local policing"-ie. Obama's brown shirts. Rioters, of course don't want to look at the underlying factors for their anger- that Democratic policies have done nothing to help blacks,
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 24, 2015 10:58 PM (No/ki)
Posted by: L, Elle at November 24, 2015 10:58 PM (2x3L+)
Global warming has us at each other's throats. Plus, it's freezing outside.
Posted by: t-bird at November 24, 2015 10:59 PM (Z58Xa)
So as an aside, is anyone point out that if Laquan hadn't robbed a store
(if I am reading it right) ... the cop wouldn't have shot him?
Posted by: 18-1
The Constitution is a suicide pact now.
You didn't get the memo?
Posted by: Mortimer at November 24, 2015 10:59 PM (0dcbp)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 24, 2015 10:59 PM (1xUj/)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2015 11:01 PM (9mTYi)
Reminds me of an old Don Martin cartoon in Mad magazine.
A woman is clipping her toenails. *clip* *clip* clip*
One of them flies into her husband's beer can. *plook*
He glares at her and says, "That's DISGUSTING!"
"Only four out of ten! We'll never win the state finals now!"
In the last panel they're both wearing T-shirts that say something like "State Toenail Clipping Chamionship".
Posted by: rickl at November 24, 2015 11:01 PM (sdi6R)
The last time I went, it looked like lunchmeat. Thin, slippery, lunchmeat. The horseradish sauce goes a long way to hiding the texture.
Posted by: t-bird at November 24, 2015 11:02 PM (Z58Xa)
Posted by: freaked at November 24, 2015 11:02 PM (BO/km)
Back in the day they had a clear differentiator. Flame broiled is better than frying. That was the point they made in the ads.
You'd see the conveyor belt in the store carrying sweet sweet beef over an open flame and then it came out as a Whopper.
Now they microwave frozen beef patties. When did the world give up on standards?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 24, 2015 11:02 PM (1xUj/)
I did once have some terrible Tex-Mex in Newark, NJ and that shrimp cocktail I had at the dog track in Juarez was a yuuuuge mistake.
Posted by: CozMark at November 24, 2015 11:02 PM (CbGSW)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2015 11:03 PM (9mTYi)
Fried turkey. Fish frier. 30-45 minutes depending upon extant temps. When it float it's done. Never stuffed one so don't know how that'd go.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 24, 2015 11:03 PM (Jz0p4)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 24, 2015 10:56 PM
oh yeah, I remember quarters.
Now I' like to remember an ONT!
Posted by: Farmer at November 24, 2015 11:03 PM (o/90i)
LOL.
Actually I'm simmering mad about microagressions I can't name but just feel in an oppressive way..
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 24, 2015 11:04 PM (No/ki)
Posted by: Bandersnatch
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About the same time that pervy Burger King character showed up.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 24, 2015 11:04 PM (9mTYi)
"Only four out of ten! We'll never win the state finals now!"
We must be about the same age.
That was the same thought I had when you started clipping your toenails.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 24, 2015 11:04 PM (1xUj/)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 24, 2015 11:02 PM (1xUj/)
***
Turning and turning in the widening gyre, & etc
Posted by: Mahty Heideggah at November 24, 2015 11:04 PM (/33sy)
Never a fan, never a fan. Always through it away. It's "harsh," not hot.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 24, 2015 11:05 PM (akyPn)
Posted by: Mortimer at November 24, 2015 11:06 PM (0dcbp)
Suddenly...... a cell phone rings, "Hello, I can't talk now I'm at the theater. The show is going to start any second now." A booming voice carriers throughout the theater.
Posted by: Smith the Lesser at November 24, 2015 11:06 PM (jD+em)
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at November 24, 2015 11:06 PM (McRlu)
Posted by: Mahty Heideggah at November 24, 2015 11:06 PM (/33sy)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 24, 2015 11:07 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 24, 2015 11:07 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: L, Elle at November 24, 2015 11:08 PM (2x3L+)
Someone at BK said they could save 0.23 cents per burger.
Then some fat douchecanoe said great idea.
Posted by: eman at November 24, 2015 11:08 PM (MQEz6)
CBS News
REPORT: Plaque at Donald Trump golf course is historically inaccurate.
Sadly, not the onion.
Posted by: Kreplach at November 24, 2015 11:08 PM (WVvzl)
Posted by: Smith the Lesser at November 24, 2015 11:08 PM (jD+em)
Because Sam Colt and John Browning didn't make it in a .46.
Posted by: rebel flounder at November 24, 2015 11:09 PM (3dOE/)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at November 24, 2015 11:07 PM (hVdx9)
*****
The trick is that once every little fcuking thing is a Micro, what do you get? BOOM!
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 24, 2015 11:09 PM (xNYi9)
CBS News
REPORT: Plaque at Donald Trump golf course is historically inaccurate.
Dental hygiene stories? Again?
Posted by: Mortimer at November 24, 2015 11:10 PM (0dcbp)
Well at least they didn't say "plague". Thank God for small favors. ;^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 24, 2015 11:10 PM (No/ki)
Posted by: Jim at November 24, 2015 11:11 PM (McRlu)
Well, look there, Rick. You hurt TKAW in the eye. You know OSHA gonna's get involved now. What then?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 24, 2015 11:11 PM (03Ey/)
I came back from Ozfest at PNC Bank one year and me and my friends literally ate all of the lettuce, tomatos and onions from the self serve bar at that Roy Rogers.
Posted by: Kreplach at November 24, 2015 11:11 PM (WVvzl)
Posted by: L, Elle at November 24, 2015 11:12 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 24, 2015 11:11 PM (03Ey/)
******
Then HR gets involved and the whole thing gets totally FUBAR.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 24, 2015 11:13 PM (xNYi9)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 24, 2015 11:13 PM (No/ki)
It's not a plaque, but please accept this comment of appreciation.
Posted by: t-bird at November 24, 2015 11:13 PM (Z58Xa)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 24, 2015 11:13 PM (No/ki)
******
Sheesh. Send one of them.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at November 24, 2015 11:14 PM (xNYi9)
>>>
Because they have a small dick?
Oh and I had to just for the fun it will create in a dead thread.
Posted by: Willy J. at November 24, 2015 11:14 PM (wHX4r)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 24, 2015 11:14 PM (03Ey/)
You need a story. Something plausible.
Ever use workout bands?
Posted by: Harry Reid at November 24, 2015 11:15 PM (0dcbp)
Posted by: freaked at November 24, 2015 11:15 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: Kreplach at November 24, 2015 11:15 PM (WVvzl)
Posted by: Mortimer at November 24, 2015 11:16 PM (0dcbp)
Posted by: Charlie Sheen at November 24, 2015 11:16 PM (Z58Xa)
Posted by: L, Elle at November 24, 2015 11:17 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: 666 at November 24, 2015 11:17 PM (0dcbp)
Posted by: Smith the Lesser at November 24, 2015 11:17 PM (jD+em)
The one doesn't drive (He's just a lanky kid who's hungry all the time and unless you hide things he will eat them. I had a box of seriously delicious chocolate truffles. They were on the shelf and the next day when I went to eat one they were all gone. I had none. I can make the spouse go and get a pie-but I don't want to subject them to the torture of ShopRite at 12;30 on a Wednesday afternoon. when they get home from work
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 24, 2015 11:20 PM (No/ki)
Posted by: rickl at November 24, 2015 11:25 PM (sdi6R)
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