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Morning Thread (11-24-2015)

So, Turkey shot down a Russian fighter jet overnight. This could get ... interesting.

Posted by: Andy at 06:38 AM




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1 Good Morning Morons. Today is Tuesday, November 24, 2015. On this day in 1835 the Texas government authorized the formation of the Texas Rangers. And the are still around today.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:39 AM (t2KH5)

2 GOP money men are funding an all out effort to squash Trump's campaign.


http://fxn.ws/1N5nMzK

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:39 AM (t2KH5)

3 But meanwhile Trump is airing a video of Scankles laughing about the slaughter at Benghazi.


http://bit.ly/1N5pQrz

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:40 AM (t2KH5)

4 Yoga is now offensive to some special snowflakes in Canada.


http://fxn.ws/1NaFxlx

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:40 AM (t2KH5)

5 Some idiots think Shakespeare is buried beneath St. Leonard's Church in Beoley, Redditch instead of his birthplace at Stratford on the Avon. They want to dig up the grave but church leaders say no way Jose.


http://fxn.ws/1Yr4zAB

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:40 AM (t2KH5)

6 Police have arrested the man who shot the good Samaritan who stopped a kidnapping. Hint, he looks like Obama's son.


http://fxn.ws/1kR6kcm

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:40 AM (t2KH5)

7 Recall the Supreme Court struck down the DC gun ban a few years ago. Well, it is still in effect, just called something else. But stupid DC police chief says citizens should take down mass shooters. I guess they will have to do it with their fingers.


http://fxn.ws/1Odtsg9

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:41 AM (t2KH5)

8 mornin' folks

Posted by: wing at November 24, 2015 06:41 AM (gd8Or)

9 The VA in Salem, VA has banned Christmas trees in open spaces in their hospital because they are "religious". Somebody is FOS Christmas trees have always been secular, in fact some maintain that they started as a pagan festival marker.


http://fxn.ws/1MyxuO1

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:41 AM (t2KH5)

10 Did anyone else see the article on Yahoo claiming that White Supremacists infiltrated the #blm crowd at Minneapolis and shot those people? I sure thought I saw it earlier and now it is gone and I can't find it anywhere.


Hmmmm.......

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 24, 2015 06:41 AM (iONHu)

11 The Chicago policeman who shot the black teenager will be charged with murder. I don't see how they can make murder stick. Murder requires prior intent.


http://fxn.ws/1lGrtG0

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:41 AM (t2KH5)

12 I hope none of the Morons are going to need a new car. The unions have jacked up the labor costs recently. Since Ford quit making my favorite auto I have gone to Toyota anyway.


http://fxn.ws/1No47Bx

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:41 AM (t2KH5)

13 Grassley is holding up State Department appointees until he gets some answers regarding Scankles and Huma.


http://fxn.ws/1Tb5W3x

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:42 AM (t2KH5)

14 Rand Paul blasted the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program Friday, telling radio host Jeff Kuhner the Boston bombers were coddled and given free stuff as refugees, but still decided to attack us. Personally I think we should halt ALL immigration until they can straighten the mess out. We are currently letting in more people that ALL the other Western countries combined. It is insane.


http://bit.ly/1lGsEFH

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:42 AM (t2KH5)

15 The next target for the SJW is Thomas Jefferson. These slugs seem to have a lot of time on their hands. And I still wonder how these people are financing these high priced degrees at places like Princeton.


http://bit.ly/1I7yNEQ

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:42 AM (t2KH5)

16 PP is suing TX over cutting their funding. Since when is funding of any organization by the State a requirement? But it just proved that old adage, you can sue a ham sandwich in the US now.


http://bit.ly/1HjDrPQ

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:42 AM (t2KH5)

17 Obama denies that his people were told to issue rosy reports on ISIS. But you know how he lies.


http://bit.ly/1jhvrmK

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:43 AM (t2KH5)

18 150 people on a flight from Mexico exited Kennedy Airport in NY without their bags being checked. Some real good airport security there. Thank you Scankles.


http://bit.ly/1jhvxeh

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:43 AM (t2KH5)

19 Scankles says blocking Muzzies will make them mad at police officers. So what?


http://bit.ly/1kR8Uiz

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:43 AM (t2KH5)

20 Recall that report from Dartmouth college concerning BLM thugs rampaging through the dormitories harassing whites. Well, the Dartmouth President has decided to "investigate".


http://bit.ly/21ds82b

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:43 AM (t2KH5)

21 And Scankles says refugees ARE getting vetted despite the FBI saying it was impossible to vet them. IOW she is just like her husband, a liar. Only he was a better liar than her.


http://bit.ly/1SYSmiW

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:44 AM (t2KH5)

22 The facts are out now, Obamacare is a miserable failure. Especially if you already had insurance. Everything conservatives warned about has come true.


http://bit.ly/1NoztI6

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:44 AM (t2KH5)

23 NBC's Meet The Mess is a forum of lies and hypocrisy and has been that way for decades.


http://bit.ly/1R2Sf7F

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:44 AM (t2KH5)

24 Roger Stone says Scankles armed ISIS but the new media will out her.


http://bit.ly/1Oo92PL

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:45 AM (t2KH5)

25 Black Lives Matter!

Not much activity on the two cities I follow, 2 shot in the snow of Chicago.

Black Lives Matter! protest in Minneapolis, lots of shooting going on, 5 shot.

Posted by: Colin at November 24, 2015 06:45 AM (jgwYl)

26 Ramirez


http://bit.ly/1P5ihaR

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:45 AM (t2KH5)

27 John Kerry is an incompetent idiot.


http://bit.ly/1MzuVey

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:45 AM (t2KH5)

28 And speaking of incompetent idiots Kerry's predecessor had to weigh in.


Let's be clear, Clinton lectured. Muslims have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism.


I don't see how she can say that with a straight face. But as I said, she is really a bad liar.


http://bit.ly/1MOpwxZ

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:45 AM (t2KH5)

29 Wonder of wonders, Scankles private equity fund in Columbia is illegal. Will she face charges? Not a chance in hell.


http://bit.ly/1R2UhVg

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:46 AM (t2KH5)

30 Thank you Vic. Much appreciated.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at November 24, 2015 06:46 AM (u82oZ)

31 AP's fact checking of the AGW scam is short on facts.


http://bit.ly/1PWxzgz

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:46 AM (t2KH5)

32 The Daily Deals


http://amzn.to/1XnHgp3


That's it for today folks.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:46 AM (t2KH5)

33 This Obama guy is leaving peace and happiness all over the place. I was just now reminding myself we were hoping to make it out of the Obama years without a world war, and here Russia and a NATO nation are shooting at each other. Bets anyone?

Posted by: MTF at November 24, 2015 06:48 AM (TxJGV)

34 "2 GOP money men are funding an all out effort to squash Trump's campaign."

If Trump disavows his pledge and goes third party, I'll campaign for the sonofabitch.

Fuck the GOP.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at November 24, 2015 06:50 AM (u5gzz)

35 Who let Turkey into NATO? Turkeys are for eating, not alliances!

Posted by: @votermom at November 24, 2015 06:51 AM (cbfNE)

36 AP's fact checking of the AGW scam is short on facts.


http://bit.ly/1PWxzgz

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:46 AM (t2KH5)

We don't no stinking facts...

Posted by: Colin at November 24, 2015 06:51 AM (jgwYl)

37 I still don't see how Obama was reelected. It had to be a combination of the FSA with die-hard Democrats and vote fraud. Or just a shitty Republican candidate. A sure fire moderate winner as the RNCe always says.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:52 AM (t2KH5)

38 Thanks, Vic! One day it may be all flowers & sunshine, but in the meantime it's good to be informed of the realities of this world.

Posted by: Ruth at November 24, 2015 06:52 AM (cIjBI)

39 Thanks Viv.

Posted by: ExPatPatriot at November 24, 2015 06:53 AM (IEpcU)

40 The low here this morning was 26.5F. And I thought I lived in SC.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:54 AM (t2KH5)

41
GOP money men are funding an all out effort to squash Trump's campaign.
http://fxn.ws/1N5nMzK
Posted by: Vic



A bit more background from BB:

http://tinyurl.com/nacce5d

Note the SMOF are funneling their ill-gotten gains into the hands of Liz "The Wiz" Mair, the RNC/GOProud militant gay rights expansionist flak that helped torpedo the Walker campaign from within, and CandleJack, the GOP sell-sword who's very name causes threads to disappear.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 24, 2015 06:55 AM (kdS6q)

42 Vic. Fat finger again.

Posted by: ExPatPatriot at November 24, 2015 06:55 AM (IEpcU)

43 15 And I still wonder how these people are financing these high priced degrees at places like Princeton.
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Here's one possible answer to consider, Vic: Princeton discounts its costs (tuition, books, fees, food, trips abroad etc) to students the school wants to attract, like those from "disadvantaged backgrounds", in the form of grants. These are not student loans, they are absolute reductions in price given to students Princeton wants to attract and the discount can range from little to 100% of the cost of going to school.

When Princeton introduced the idea about a decade ago it was revolutionary, but Harvard and Stanford do it now (and I'm sure others do as well). Obviously, only tremendously wealthy universities can afford to pay the full cost of an education for a significantly sized group of students.

Posted by: MTF at November 24, 2015 06:58 AM (TxJGV)

44

DAY 1,113

350 to go (423 to Inauguration Day )

Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, Mao-suits, McCain's, McConnell's, Mahdi megatons, machiavellian Mississippi mudslingers, McAuliffe's, Maduro's, MIRV's, Mexifornians, McKesson's, Mizzou malefactors, mewling mattress-myth manufacturers, marriage maimers, menacing Mozillan 'mo's, Myrmidons, Mugwumps, Monrovian microbes, mutants, malcontents, malthusians, maniacs, malignant medical mandates, martial law, miscreants, microaggressors, minions, maladjusted masochistic multiculturalists, momzers, mamalukes, mooks, mopes, mariuoli, meeskeits, maricons, marauders, malodorous militants, menstruating mons veneri, malfunctioning Moron microsites and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 24, 2015 06:59 AM (uRmWf)

45 Morning!

Crown Vic, Vic?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 24, 2015 07:00 AM (UpGcq)

46
In "Your Band Sucks" news:

Coldplay's next album will reportedly feature President Obama.

The commander in chief's rendition of "Amazing Grace," which he sang during his eulogy in June for one of the victims of the Charleston, S.C., church shootings, will be included in the British pop group's upcoming album, The Sun newspaper reports.



Also on the album, there's a hidden track of Obama's cover of "It's Raining Men".

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 24, 2015 07:00 AM (kdS6q)

47 Is it too soon to do the Turkey Thanksgiving jokes?

Posted by: @votermom at November 24, 2015 07:01 AM (cbfNE)

48
In "Hail Hydra!" news:

Yahoo Mail begins blocking users with ad block enabled

PC World: http://tinyurl.com/p9vsuge

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 24, 2015 07:01 AM (kdS6q)

49 "Ben Carson Now Says He Doesn't Remember U.S. Muslims Celebrating On 9/11..."

Just pack it in, dude. Shit.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at November 24, 2015 07:02 AM (u5gzz)

50 Why is the goose-step not used in England? There are, heaven knows, plenty of army officers who would be only too glad to introduce some such thing. It is not used because the people in the street would laugh. Beyond a certain point, military display is only possible in countries where the common people dare not laugh at the army.

-- George Orwell, 1941



Sort of like laughing at black youths with the pants pulled down and hats too big with labels still attached. Yeah, laugh at those guys.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 24, 2015 07:02 AM (uRmWf)

51 35 Who let Turkey into NATO? Turkeys are for eating, not alliances!
---------------------------------------------------------

Remember those great days, pre-Obama, when turkey had a secular government, a vibrant culture, peaceful relations all around and was quietly making lots of money on tourism?

All gone now. Thanks Obama!

Posted by: MTF at November 24, 2015 07:03 AM (TxJGV)

52
So will Putin attack Turkey in retaliation? And would that mean war with NATO/US?

There is a treaty, y'know.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 24, 2015 07:03 AM (uRmWf)

53 43 When Princeton introduced the idea about a decade
ago it was revolutionary, but Harvard and Stanford do it now (and I'm
sure others do as well). Obviously, only tremendously wealthy
universities can afford to pay the full cost of an education for a
significantly sized group of students.

Posted by: MTF at November 24, 2015 06:58 AM (TxJGV)

And people in the middle are caught in the squeeze. Parents have too much income to get a grant but not enough to reasonably afford the costs. The last time I checked the cost of going to the State school here with tuition and dorms was about $14K a year. (That was several years ago). I can imagine what schools like Princeton and Yale cost.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 07:03 AM (t2KH5)

54 Why is the goose-step not used in England? There are, heaven knows,
plenty of army officers who would be only too glad to introduce some
such thing. It is not used because the people in the street would laugh.
Beyond a certain point, military display is only possible in countries
where the common people dare not laugh at the army.

-- George Orwell, 1941

As you probably know, the goose-step is still used by many armies. North Korea does it the "best". China is also very good. Russia and some South American armies also....I find it weird, but in most of those countries you don't laugh!

Posted by: Colin at November 24, 2015 07:04 AM (jgwYl)

55
As a side note, how advanced can a Russky jet be if the Turks shot it down?

Then again, it could've been an older model plane.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 24, 2015 07:04 AM (uRmWf)

56 Oops! *Turkey*. Proper noun.

Posted by: MTF at November 24, 2015 07:04 AM (TxJGV)

57 45 Crown Vic, Vic?



Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 24, 2015 07:00 AM (UpGcq)

They don't make it anymore.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 07:04 AM (t2KH5)

58 No time for love, Dr. Jones. Got to finish an assignment.

Later kids.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 24, 2015 07:05 AM (uRmWf)

59 I can imagine what schools like Princeton and Yale cost.

--

$63K a year, last I checked. All the private unis are in the $50-65K range per year.

Posted by: @votermom at November 24, 2015 07:07 AM (cbfNE)

60 People talk about stepping on one's crank like it isn't a real thing.

Posted by: Dr. Ben Carson at November 24, 2015 07:07 AM (u5gzz)

61 55


As a side note, how advanced can a Russky jet be if the Turks shot it down?



Then again, it could've been an older model plane.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 24, 2015 07:04 AM (uRmWf)

Russian military equipment has always been crap. And I think Turkey uses the F-16 which is overall better than any Russian plane,

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 07:07 AM (t2KH5)

62 If the fucking Turks want a fucking war with fucking Russia they can fucking fight it their fucking selves.

Posted by: schizoid at November 24, 2015 07:07 AM (j9HEQ)

63
Turkey has relaxed a rule that forced gay men hoping to avoid army conscription to undergo an anal exam.

Introduced in 1986, the country's Physical Capabilities Regulation also forced gay men to submit photos of themselves having sex with other men. The regulation lists homosexuality as an "advanced psychosexual disorder." However, under amendments issued last week, a declaration of sexual orientation will be the sole basis for a doctor's decision.

http://tinyurl.com/nt3tfnv


"Oh, you're no fun anymore!"

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 24, 2015 07:07 AM (kdS6q)

64 As usual, teh Big Shout-Out goes to Vic!

Of course I'd prefer a slightly more, well, positive spin to the news. I'd still be here reading if the Vic Report was full of stories about church picnics, hotdog-eating contests (I prefer Hebrew National to Nathan's but, hey, that's just me) and kitteh videos.

But that ain't reality.

I am, however, waiting for the day when Vic is able to link to reports of Choom Boy's impeachment trial and subsequent ignominious departure from D.C. ....

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 24, 2015 07:07 AM (dbC6X)

65 >>>>So will Putin attack Turkey in retaliation? And would that mean war with NATO/US?



There is a treaty, y'know.
.
.
.Treaty's are yesterdays news. We had one of those with the Ukraine too remember?

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 24, 2015 07:07 AM (iONHu)

66 12: I bought a Honda Civic last year and I love it. This is after owning 2 Chevy's and 1 Saturn since 1988. The Saturn was the last straw. It was crap (The 2 Chevys I had were ok) and the company was disappeared by GM soon after I bought it. I don't think I'll ever go back to GM. I love my Honda. I may not ever leave Honda.

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 24, 2015 07:09 AM (ptuLX)

67 So I guess Putin will be chomping on Turkey this Thanksgiving.

Posted by: @votermom at November 24, 2015 07:09 AM (cbfNE)

68 They don't make it anymore. Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 07:04 AM

I would have guessed "Falcon." Or, if Vic was feeling sporty, a Mercury Comet.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 24, 2015 07:10 AM (dbC6X)

69 65 .Treaty's are yesterdays news. We had one of those with the Ukraine too remember?


Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 24, 2015 07:07 AM (iONHu)

That treaty with the Ukraine was pretty mush a non-treaty. It had more holes in it than a rusted out colander.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 07:10 AM (t2KH5)

70 The ONT thread had a link to a column about "micro-complaints" that was pretty good , considering it was in the NYT. As I was reading it I noticed that there was no mention of the special snowflake micro-complaints sweeping the nation. Disappointing but not surprising since it is the NYT. Although toward the end they did manage to point out one political micro-complaint and mock it: conservatives griping out the very real and dangerous anti-white bias also sweeping the country. I should have known before I read it and just avoided it as I usually do with their rag. They can't help but trash conservatives, it's their very essence. Screw them, the burning times are going to rough on this bunch.


Posted by: Hand of Count Petofi at November 24, 2015 07:10 AM (1BQGO)

71
As a side note, how advanced can a Russky jet be if the Turks shot it down?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton



Reported to be an Su-24.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-24

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 24, 2015 07:11 AM (kdS6q)

72 Morning horde. Nothing else like the VNN in the morning. Thanks for the news Vic.

Posted by: small town girl no longer banned! at November 24, 2015 07:11 AM (k+zgr)

73 They want to dig up the grave but church leaders say no way Jose
What ho, Horatio!(fixed to avoid cultural appropriation).


Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 24, 2015 07:12 AM (xq1UY)

74 Morning, all. Two more days of work to get through.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityPod (tm) at November 24, 2015 07:12 AM (L9GR7)

75 Did you ever notice that most TP is white? Yea that's right, white. That's degrading to white people and Beluga whales.

Posted by: freaked at November 24, 2015 07:14 AM (BO/km)

76 68 I would have guessed "Falcon." Or, if Vic was feeling sporty, a Mercury Comet.


Posted by: MrScribbler at November 24, 2015 07:10 AM (dbC6X)

My younger brother used to have one of those. When the inspection sticker was due we would take the wheels off of my newer Maverick and put them on the Comet so it would pass the inspection. And Falcons are collector's items now, especially the old Falcon pickup truck.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 07:14 AM (t2KH5)

77
In Alpha Male news:

Sean Connery proposed a threesome with Carly Simon and her sister Lucy in 1965 when the three were on the same ship from London to New York

Carly writes in her new memoir Boys in the Trees that she politely declined what one of her friends referred to as a 'Simon sisters sandwich'

http://tinyurl.com/p9so3jd



But Bond did nail the sister, so partial credit.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 24, 2015 07:15 AM (kdS6q)

78 I hope none of the Morons are going to need a new car. The unions have jacked up the labor costs recently. Since Ford quit making my favorite auto I have gone to Toyota anyway.


http://fxn.ws/1No47Bx
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:41 AM (t2KH5)

After the new EPA regs set to take effect Nov. 30, we're all going to need new cars. Ethanol is already more expensive to produce than gasoline, but Zero's comrades demand more. They won't stop till the US is just a burning heap.

Posted by: RushBabe at November 24, 2015 07:16 AM (/NEnw)

79 Well off to the showers. BBL

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 07:16 AM (t2KH5)

80 I am, however, waiting for the day when Vic is able to link to reports of Choom Boy's impeachment trial and subsequent ignominious departure from D.C. imprisonment in GITMO ....

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 24, 2015 07:07 AM

FIFY

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 24, 2015 07:17 AM (+bVzV)

81
From yesterday's Thanksgiving activists' thread

6 McArdle's list is pretty good, but I'm hearing something new from the young'uns: when they disagree with you, they just say "wow" and shake their heads

Is this a trend?
Posted by: Feh at November 23, 2015 12:55 PM (Msdm1)


They haven't been taught how to argue. Press them further and they'll collapse in puddles of their own drool.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 24, 2015 07:18 AM (BK3ZS)

82
Carly writes in her new memoir Boys in the Trees that she politely declined what one of her friends referred to as a 'Simon sisters sandwich'
------------------------

Ladiesh, I proposhe a Shimon Shishtersh Shandwich

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityPod (tm) at November 24, 2015 07:18 AM (L9GR7)

83 Could get exciting? It's not nice to fool [with] Mother Russia.

Posted by: Roger.45 at November 24, 2015 07:18 AM (GpVoP)

84 Uhh why does Google have a naked 0bama being followed by a couple of chimps on it's home page?

Posted by: freaked at November 24, 2015 07:18 AM (BO/km)

85 As a side note, how advanced can a Russky jet be if the Turks shot it down?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton


Any aircraft can be shot down, JJ. The Broken Clock/Blind Squirrel rules apply to combat pilots, too.

You can't expect a bunch of ignorant peons to understand machinery like our boys do....

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 24, 2015 07:20 AM (dbC6X)

86 The only problem I have with war between Russia and Turkey is that one of them will eventually win.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at November 24, 2015 07:21 AM (u5gzz)

87
That treaty with the Ukraine was pretty much a non-treaty. It had more holes in it than a rusted out colander sitting on a pastafarian's swiss cheese-like head.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 07:10 AM (t2KH5)


Needed more "hole-iness"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 24, 2015 07:22 AM (BK3ZS)

88 Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 07:14 AM (t2KH5)

My gearhead brother (built a Roadster from parts for a high-school project) says Falcons were probably the best car ever. He drives and cannibalizes International Scouts. He laughs because cops can't cite him for seat belt violations.

Posted by: RushBabe at November 24, 2015 07:22 AM (/NEnw)

89 FIFY

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 24, 2015 07:17 AM


Thanks, COJ. I was, of course, toning it down.

Not feeling particularly generous about the Mocha Messiah today.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 24, 2015 07:23 AM (dbC6X)

90 Turkey vs. Russia. Well, after the Turks booed during a moment of silence at a soccer match (chanted Allah Akbar too I read) for the Paris attacks, I don't give a shit if Russia carpet bombs them repeatedly. The hell with em' all.

Posted by: Puddleglum at November 24, 2015 07:23 AM (ptuLX)

91 73 What ho, Horatio!
------------------------------------------------

Heh- sounds like dialogue from the Drones Club rendition of Hamlet

Posted by: MTF at November 24, 2015 07:24 AM (TxJGV)

92 But meanwhile Trump is airing a video of Scankles laughing about the slaughter at Benghazi.


http://bit.ly/1N5pQrz
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:40 AM (t2KH5)


Is it?


Unless I'm mistaken, it's actually a video of Hillery laughing while images from Benghazi (and maybe elsewhere, I'm not sure) play behind/thru her.


Not exactly the same thing as her laughing ABOUT Benghazi.


Now, maybe political ads can go this way, but I'm not impressed with the juxtaposition. You either have evidence (video or otherwise) that Clinton laughed about dead Americans in Libya, including the guy who was supposedly her "friend," or you don't.


I'm not inclined to be influenced by political ad gimmickry, and I think when it comes to Hillery Clinton's criminal/politically damning activities, I would rather we stick to the facts.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 24, 2015 07:30 AM (Dj0WE)

93 Turkey wants a war with someone. I dob't think they care who.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old and Unimproved. at November 24, 2015 07:30 AM (WVsWD)

94 Police have arrested the man who shot the good Samaritan who stopped a kidnapping. Hint, he looks like Obama's son.
___________________

The thugs who raped and murdered that pregnant preacher's wife in a home invasion in Indiana also looked like Obama's sons.

Just a coincidence, I'm sure.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 24, 2015 07:32 AM (a31sM)

95 Turkey acted stupidly and it's stupider being they cannot take part in a beer summitt to fix this mess.

Posted by: Drider at November 24, 2015 07:32 AM (6Xbsz)

96 We will support our NATO brothers in Turkey...from a safe distance. Allaihu Akbar!

Posted by: Caliph Barky I at November 24, 2015 07:33 AM (ZT/+/)

97 The reason why turkey downed the Russian Jet.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/okuwsf4

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old and Unimproved. at November 24, 2015 07:33 AM (WVsWD)

98 Also on the album, there's a hidden track of Obama's cover of "It's Raining Men".
____________________

With back-up vocals by Charlie Sheen.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 24, 2015 07:33 AM (a31sM)

99 Was thinking about this Syrian refugee thing last night.

The issue really isn't whether some terrorists slip through the screening, not really. Random terrorists can pull off, maybe, a mass shooting. But nothing on the scale of Paris or the London 7-7 bombings.

Those big terror events require a critical mass of operatives, supported by logisticians, supported by funding, supported by a sympathetic community.

The problem isn't so much individual terrorists getting in, but letting in enough sympathetic non-terrorists to build that critical mass of sympathy and support that allows mass-terror attacks to be carried out.

Eurotopia is there because its populations of Mohammedan immigrants are large enough. America isn't there yet, but the more we take in, the closer we get.

Posted by: V the K at November 24, 2015 07:34 AM (O7MnT)

100 Clock Boy did learn something in school!

Or at least his parents did....

http://bit.ly/1I89na9

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 24, 2015 07:35 AM (dbC6X)

101 But Bond did nail the sister, so partial credit.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 24, 2015 07:15 AM (kdS6q)

Open face sandwich?
Thanks Vic and morning all.

Posted by: Golfman at November 24, 2015 07:35 AM (cdKSG)

102 For my brothers and me growing up in the 60s, that Falcon station wagon was a magic carpet ride.

Posted by: Tmitsss at November 24, 2015 07:35 AM (Pa9vP)

103 Kind of ironic... here we are two days from Thanksgiving and Turkey is in the news.

Posted by: V the K at November 24, 2015 07:36 AM (O7MnT)

104 Turkey wants a war with someone. I dob't think they care who.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old and Unimproved. at November 24, 2015 07:30 AM

Yesterday on one of the threads, someone postulated that some country with major refining capability was 'laundering' (I know, I know) oil under ISIS control and that it seems no one was really asking where that oil was going to, or where a significant portion of ISIS funding was coming from.

If you ever needed an excuse to intake and refine oil, a war would serve that purpose. Especially if you had a treaty with the US.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 24, 2015 07:36 AM (+bVzV)

105 One of my old drama profs had trod the boards with a Major Shakespearian much given to drink. No names, but, pretty sure Barrymore. Brain fried, he'd forgotten more Bard than anyone else knew. Could never remember his lines, but, he had a stock of ersatz Willy-isms that would not quit. They'd prop him up on his marks, and he'd deliver an oration that began with "What ho, Horatio" and ended when they stabbed him.

Prof could ad-lib some of it; it was great, and you couldn't understand a single word after "Ho." Standing ovation every time. Stagecraft!

Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 24, 2015 07:38 AM (xq1UY)

106 "Uhh why does Google have a naked 0bama being followed by a couple of chimps on it's home page?:

Not chimps but stages of evolution that have resulted in its crowning achievement of perfection, Barack Obama. It's science, hater.

Can't wait to see what the Goodge Doodle will be for Thanksgiving. I have no doubt it will be a salute to Native Americans and immigrants from the third world. Maybe a pilgrim off in the background trying to get in the picture.

Posted by: Hand of Count Petofi at November 24, 2015 07:38 AM (1BQGO)

107 The Brit paper Daily Mail has a full story on the Russian jet downing.

Pics, video, plenty of details.

Posted by: eman at November 24, 2015 07:38 AM (MQEz6)

108 Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 24, 2015 07:36 AM (+bVzV)

Check #97.

Posted by: Golfman at November 24, 2015 07:38 AM (cdKSG)

109 85 You can't expect a bunch of ignorant peons to understand machinery like our boys do....
Posted by: MrScribbler at November 24, 2015 07:20 AM (dbC6X)


Channeling General Buck Turgidson.

Well done, sir.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 24, 2015 07:39 AM (uRmWf)

110
They haven't been taught how to argue. Press them further and they'll collapse in puddles of their own drool.

My 16 yo is taking a class in persuasion for her English class requirement and yesterday's assignment was a one-minute speech on a "controversial" topic. My daughter picked, "Is having a lot of money bad?"

She began citing the oft-misquoted, "Money is the root of all evil," corrected it and asked where hospitals, foundations, libraries, fire stations (all originated with Ben Franklin, except the foundations) would have come from if the rich didn't fund them with their excess cash. I wanted her to use Rush's favorite, "Have you ever gotten a job from a poor man?" standby, but she forgot about that one.

When the teacher asked if she had the best argument, all 20 hands shot up. So they are educable. You just have to present it to them.

Posted by: RushBabe at November 24, 2015 07:39 AM (/NEnw)

111 "Yesterday on one of the threads, someone postulated that some country with major refining capability was 'laundering' (I know, I know) oil under ISIS control and that it seems no one was really asking where that oil was going to, or where a significant portion of ISIS funding was coming from."

It's coming from "turkey" our supposed ally. The profits are going right into the erdogan family bank account.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old and Unimproved. at November 24, 2015 07:39 AM (WVsWD)

112 Posted by: Golfman at November 24, 2015 07:38 AM

I saw that right after I posted. I'm shocked. /s

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 24, 2015 07:40 AM (+bVzV)

113 Kind of ironic... here we are two days from Thanksgiving and Turkey is in the news.
Posted by: V the K at November 24, 2015 07:36 AM (O7MnT)


I know I'm thankful for international treaties, where nations of like-minded interests come together for the mutual defense of all.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 24, 2015 07:40 AM (Dj0WE)

114 I'm getting a Smith & Wesson Model 65 .357 magnum in stainless and a CZ 455 .22 bolt action. Private sale. Cash. No paperwork.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at November 24, 2015 07:40 AM (u5gzz)

115 Yah... My husband and I were discussing who we'd rather submit to eventually, the Commies or the Muslims, and it was Commies in a heartbeat.

So...rootin' for Putin.

Heh. That made me LOL.

Posted by: Gem at November 24, 2015 07:41 AM (c+gwp)

116 Foxtrot Alpha has video of somebody's army "capturing" a downed Russian crewman, shouting "Allah Akbar" and everyone shooting into the air. Crazy.

Posted by: MTF at November 24, 2015 07:41 AM (TxJGV)

117 Well done, sir.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 24, 2015 07:39 AM


Knew you'd get it, JJ.

Always loved that movie, and George C. Scott was by far the best thing about it. His speeches are -- shall we say -- seared into my memory.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 24, 2015 07:42 AM (dbC6X)

118 Not exactly the same thing as her laughing ABOUT Benghazi.

This one would work. It still shows her for the miscreant she is.

http://bit.ly/1LxklAT

Posted by: RushBabe at November 24, 2015 07:42 AM (/NEnw)

119 Morning all

I don't think to much will come of the Turkish shoot down of the russian plane, but this happened because of lack of American Leadership

Russian planes should NEVER have been there in the first place.

Also it does NOT say much for Russian technology that they let one of their planes be shot down by the Turks. I am sure the Israelis noticed that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 07:42 AM (gf8BH)

120 Didnt Turkey already down a Russian jet a few weeks ago?

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at November 24, 2015 07:43 AM (uhF/k)

121 117 Posted by: MrScribbler at November 24, 2015 07:42 AM (dbC6X)

"Mein Scribbler! I can walk!!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 24, 2015 07:43 AM (uRmWf)

122 "120 Didnt Turkey already down a Russian jet a few weeks ago?"

They shot down a drone. You may be thinking of that.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at November 24, 2015 07:43 AM (u5gzz)

123 Not exactly the same thing as her laughing ABOUT Benghazi.
-----------------------
This one would work. It still shows her for the miscreant she is.

http://bit.ly/1LxklAT
Posted by: RushBabe at November 24, 2015 07:42 AM (/NEnw)


Exactly. She's such a sweetheart, no need to resort to fakery. Just present the evidence as it is, and if you have a wide enough distribution, the country will see it.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 24, 2015 07:44 AM (Dj0WE)

124 Didnt Turkey already down a Russian jet a few weeks ago?
Posted by: The Nayden Broad at November 24, 2015 07:43 AM (uhF/k)

No, in the past they have shot down Syrian Planes and the also the Drone Cloyd Freud just mentioned

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 07:45 AM (gf8BH)

125 The Chicago policeman who shot the black teenager
will be charged with murder. I don't see how they can make murder stick.
Murder requires prior intent.


http://fxn.ws/1lGrtG0

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:41 AM (t2KH5)


Of course Rahm, the media and "community leaders" already have the cop convicted. All these assholes like Rahm have round the clock police protection. Pity if it were to just walk off the job one day

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 24, 2015 07:45 AM (45oDG)

126 Boris claims the plane was shot down from the ground, not by a Turkish F-16.

Posted by: eman at November 24, 2015 07:45 AM (MQEz6)

127 @119 the Serbs shot down one of our stealth fighters.

Planes get shot down.

Posted by: blaster at November 24, 2015 07:45 AM (2Ocf1)

128 g'mornin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 24, 2015 07:46 AM (ZQfW9)

129 I'm getting a Smith & Wesson Model 65 .357 magnum in stainless and a CZ 455 .22 bolt action. Private sale. Cash. No paperwork.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at November 24, 2015 07:40 AM (u5gzz)
---------------------------

BRRRRAAAAAACCCCKKKKK GUNSHOW LOOPHOLE!
BRAAAAACK CRIMINAL!!!!!!
BRRRRACCCCCKKKK REPUBLICANS WANT TO KILL CHILDREN!!!

Posted by: Hillary and Harry the Dimbulb Proggy Parrots at November 24, 2015 07:46 AM (L9GR7)

130 @119 the Serbs shot down one of our stealth fighters.

Planes get shot down.
Posted by: blaster at November 24, 2015 07:45 AM (2Ocf1)

Yeah but what's your point? By America abdicating world leadership, it has put Russian aircraft in direct conflict with a Nato Partner...A shitty partner for sure and fuck both the Turks and the Ruskies, but this is how Wars start

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 07:47 AM (gf8BH)

131 @114 Freud, Ladysmith?

Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 24, 2015 07:48 AM (xq1UY)

132 Turkey is claiming an F16 was used to take down the Sukhoi but the Russians say a missile did it. And the Turks have released their view of the plane's flight track, including a pin-prick incursion over southern Turkish airspace. Violation is violation. If the flight path is accurate the Russians don't look to have much of a leg to stand on, but who knows. The Turks might want to tread carefully.

Posted by: MTF at November 24, 2015 07:49 AM (TxJGV)

133 >>days of work to get through.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityPod (tm) at November 24, 2015 07:12 AM (L9GR7)

They are going to be slow too....

Posted by: Lea at November 24, 2015 07:49 AM (vmMMi)

134 As a side note, how advanced can a Russky jet be if the Turks shot it down?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton



Reported to be an Su-24.




Short for Suck-24. Only slightly better than a Suck-23.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 24, 2015 07:50 AM (hQt/L)

135 Turkey is claiming an F16 was used to take down the Sukhoi but the Russians say a missile did it. And the Turks have released their view of the plane's flight track, including a pin-prick incursion over southern Turkish airspace. Violation is violation. If the flight path is accurate the Russians don't look to have much of a leg to stand on, but who knows. The Turks might want to tread carefully.
Posted by: MTF at November 24, 2015 07:49 AM (TxJGV)

Turkey is tweeking the nose of the Devil

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 07:51 AM (gf8BH)

136 This world could use a good cleansing. The Biblical kind.

Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at November 24, 2015 07:51 AM (HSAmh)

137 Turkey has relaxed a rule that forced gay men hoping to avoid army conscription to undergo an anal exam.

"Joey, have you ever been in a... in a Turkish prison?"

Posted by: V the K at November 24, 2015 07:51 AM (O7MnT)

138 This world could use a good cleansing. The Biblical kind.
Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at November 24, 2015 07:51 AM (HSAmh)


I'm afraid that just might come to be

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 07:52 AM (gf8BH)

139 129 I'm getting a Smith & Wesson Model 65 .357 magnum in stainless and a CZ 455 .22 bolt action. Private sale. Cash. No paperwork.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed



Wait until you buy one over the internet via a smart phone.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 24, 2015 07:52 AM (hQt/L)

140 The Turks don't have the S-300 "system," do they? Because that would be really embarrassing. They say you need Russian techs to make them work right.

Last time the Turks jumped nasty with Ivan, they got their clock cleaned and decided to wipe out the Armenians to balance accounts. Rough territory there.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 24, 2015 07:52 AM (xq1UY)

141 Well, no doubt Putin is well aware of our iron-clad totally firm determination to defend our long-time ally.

Posted by: MTF at November 24, 2015 07:53 AM (TxJGV)

142 137 "Joey, have you ever been in a... in a Turkish prison?"
Posted by: V the K at November 24, 2015 07:51 AM (O7MnT)


"Rifkeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!"


Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 24, 2015 07:56 AM (uRmWf)

143 I'm getting a Smith & Wesson Model 65 .357 magnum in stainless and a CZ 455 .22 bolt action. Private sale. Cash. No paperwork.

Gosh, if I could arrange a private sale, I might stop losing my guns in boating accidents.

Posted by: V the K at November 24, 2015 07:56 AM (O7MnT)

144 I know some Greeks a few years ago who believed this crazy prophecy that said, "Russia will conqueor Turkey and then turn it over to Greece to rule."

I thought they were hitting the ouzu a little to hard, but what do I know.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at November 24, 2015 07:56 AM (j8rhH)

145 55
As a side note, how advanced can a Russky jet be if the Turks shot it down?

Then again, it could've been an older model plane.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 24, 2015 07:04 AM (uRmWf)

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The shootdown was by a Turkish F-16, no doubt an updated version that will still be the match of anything the Russians are flying. Not sure what missiles the Turks have, but I'd bet (as NATO members) they have access to modern AMRAAMs and such.

Posted by: Stu-22 at November 24, 2015 07:57 AM (rUc9h)

146 Fuck Turkey.

Posted by: The Chicken at November 24, 2015 07:58 AM (oVJmc)

147 Turkey has relaxed a rule that forced gay men hoping to avoid army conscription to undergo an anal exam.





Barry: That's a requirement for my White House interns

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 24, 2015 07:58 AM (45oDG)

148 I don't think to much will come of the Turkish shoot
down of the russian plane, but this happened because of lack of
American Leadership



Russian planes should NEVER have been there in the first place.



Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 07:42 AM (gf8BH)




The Russian planes were invited in by the Syrian government. American planes should never have been there.

I don't get this mentality that war is a party and we should be insulted if someone starts a war without inviting us.

Posted by: schizoid at November 24, 2015 07:59 AM (j9HEQ)

149 Sky News has frequent updates. Putin says this one is serious. How many wars have the Russians and Turks fought in modern times? Four?

http://bit.ly/1QFPMRp

Posted by: MTF at November 24, 2015 07:59 AM (TxJGV)

150 One Russian pilot s dead, the other is on the lam.

Not good to get captured, comrade.

Posted by: eman at November 24, 2015 07:59 AM (MQEz6)

151 >>But meanwhile Trump is airing a video of Scankles laughing about the slaughter at Benghazi.


ABOUT TIME SOMEONE DID THIS.

Sorry to go all capsy, but this should be hammered 24x7 - she left her people unguarded despite hundreds of requests for more security, abandoned while they were under attack, and lied over their coffins *to their grieving family*.
Should have been fired/left public life in shame.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 24, 2015 07:59 AM (NOIQH)

152 I'm not inclined to be influenced by political ad gimmickry, and I think when it comes to Hillery Clinton's criminal/politically damning activities, I would rather we stick to the facts.
Posted by: BurtTC
---
I'm for whatever works at this piint. The left distorts or outright fabricates things, it's part of how they won in 2012.

Using their own tactics against them is akin to using deadly force against a homicidal maniac. Normally unacceptle, except in this case.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 24, 2015 07:59 AM (ZdSzs)

153 Eurotopia is there because its populations of Mohammedan immigrants are large enough. America isn't there yet, but the more we take in, the closer we get.
Posted by: V the K at November 24, 2015 07:34 AM (O7MnT)
______________________

Which is why Barky has ramped up the open-borders invite to all the Third World invaders who'd like to come on in, and doubled-down on the "refugees" coming in.

He wants to get as many in as possible before Jan. 2017.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 24, 2015 08:00 AM (a31sM)

154 "131 @114 Freud, Ladysmith?"

No, it's like these--but with target sights.

http://tinyurl.com/prv4fh2

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at November 24, 2015 08:00 AM (u5gzz)

155 As I've always said....

Posted by: Adm. Josh Painter at November 24, 2015 08:00 AM (oVJmc)

156 >>>>Yesterday on one of the threads, someone postulated that some country
with major refining capability was 'laundering' (I know, I know) oil
under ISIS control and that it seems no one was really asking where that
oil was going to, or where a significant portion of ISIS funding was
coming from.



If you ever needed an excuse to intake and refine oil, a war would
serve that purpose. Especially if you had a treaty with the US.
.
.
.Makes sense. Turkey was laundering illegal Iraqi oil also.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 24, 2015 08:00 AM (iONHu)

157 145 The shootdown was by a Turkish F-16, no doubt an updated version that will still be the match of anything the Russians are flying. Not sure what missiles the Turks have, but I'd bet (as NATO members) they have access to modern AMRAAMs and such.
------------------------------------------------

No doubt. That equipment is there as much for us as them, since we would want it to be usable by U.S. forces in a pinch.

Posted by: MTF at November 24, 2015 08:01 AM (TxJGV)

158 @37 Vic

"I still don't see how Obama was reelected."

I would go with "voting fraud" for $500 Vic.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at November 24, 2015 08:01 AM (j8rhH)

159 >>I know some Greeks a few years ago who believed this crazy prophecy that said, "Russia will conqueor Turkey and then turn it over to Greece to rule."

That sounds like a solid plan. The Greeks are renowned for their leadership skillz.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 24, 2015 08:02 AM (/tuJf)

160 Yeah, the Greeks are great managers of resources and finances.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 24, 2015 08:03 AM (OWndX)

161 You know what a smart person could do? Make some software that takes an interwebs forum, like, say, this one, and displays it like Windows File Explorer, so everyone in Cubeville just thinks you're looking for files.

I mean, they're both just lists under a larger heading.

Posted by: Just some guy at November 24, 2015 08:03 AM (yxw0r)

162 159,

The best places to find out what's really gowing on is a bar and a barber shop.

Posted by: eman at November 24, 2015 08:04 AM (MQEz6)

163 146 Fuck Turkey.
Posted by: The Chicken at November 24, 2015 07:58 AM (oVJmc)

------

hahaha

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 24, 2015 08:04 AM (OWndX)

164 It's well-known that Turks are into Greek.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at November 24, 2015 08:05 AM (u5gzz)

165 The Russian planes were invited in by the Syrian government. American planes should never have been there.

I don't get this mentality that war is a party and we should be insulted if someone starts a war without inviting us.
Posted by: schizoid at November 24, 2015 07:59 AM (j9HEQ)


i don't give a fuck who invited whom... Your right this is NOT a party. It's about keeping the bear out of The MIddle East. It's been American Foreign Policy and Western Foreign Policy to NOT let the Bear roam the Middle East and cause trouble...Andf THAT is what is important.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 08:05 AM (gf8BH)

166 136 This world could use a good cleansing. The Biblical kind.
Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis

Absolutely! A giant enima should do the trick.

Posted by: Michael Kenyon at November 24, 2015 08:06 AM (0A4DK)

167 @159 JackStraw

Think of it from the Russian viewpoint and then it makes sense.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at November 24, 2015 08:07 AM (j8rhH)

168 Good morning.

WWIII start yet?

Posted by: Bigby's Chicken Fingers at November 24, 2015 08:07 AM (3ZtZW)

169 It might be Vladdy who ends up releasing some bottled sunshine.

Posted by: eman at November 24, 2015 08:07 AM (MQEz6)

170 Russia/Putin are fighting ISIS so Obama's BFF, Erdogan of Turkey, shoots them down. Turkey will start WWIII if they keep this up.

I'm thanking God the Russian pilot is ok. Prayers of safety to the other Russian pilots.

I hate that the dirty Turks are NATO members. They do not deserve the West defending them when they were shooting Russians out of the sky -- Russians who are the only ones fighting ISIS.

Someone at another site said that Putin should turn Istanbul back to Constantinople. ITA. Putin is restoring Christianity to Russia, so why not Turkey.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 24, 2015 08:07 AM (xetep)

171 Video Purports To Show Dead Russian Pilot In Syria Surrounded Syrian Rebels Chanting God Is Great!

Weasel Zippers

Vladimir ain't gonna like that? LOL

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 08:08 AM (gf8BH)

172 You can't expect a bunch of ignorant peons to understand machinery like our boys do....


Posted by: MrScribbler at November 24, 2015 07:20 AM


Hey, girls! Look at my machinery!

Posted by: Squadron Commander The Lord Flasheart at November 24, 2015 08:08 AM (pLwjI)

173 One of the countries buying ISIS oil (at least as of last year) has been....Syria. Apparently they have few other sources during the current war.

http://tinyurl.com/nqxl3op

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at November 24, 2015 08:08 AM (oVJmc)

174 So little Clock Boy is suing for $15 million because of all the harm he endured.

I want that town to fight this lawsuit. I want that information that his family wouldn't agree to release to become public. Most of all I want us to stop kowtowing.

His suit actually claims that if it were a white teenage girl who did this and pasted rhinestones and glitter on the case that she wouldn't have been arrested. Besides being sexist and stereotypical (Make them live by their own rules), the fact is that is an unprovable assertion because that isn't what happened.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at November 24, 2015 08:09 AM (PFy0L)

175 Vlad will extract his .041 kilo of flesh. Someway, somehow.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old and Unimproved. at November 24, 2015 08:09 AM (WVsWD)

176 2
GOP money men are funding an all out effort to squash Trump's campaign.


http://fxn.ws/1N5nMzK



Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:39 AM (t2KH5)

Remember when the GOPe said they didn't want Trump because he couldn't beat Hillary? Well, now polls show he is beating, so they will have to come up with another lame, lying excuse. We all know the truth is that they cannot control Trump and Trump will end their gravy train.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 24, 2015 08:10 AM (xetep)

177 Syria has always been a client State of the USSR. So there has been no "keeping the Russians out".


There are no "good guys" in this fight and we don't need to be there. Instead we are supporting the terrorists.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 08:10 AM (t2KH5)

178 If the that is a dead Russian pilot, then thank God he's dead.
We don;t need another horror show like the captured Jordanian pilot.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 24, 2015 08:10 AM (NOIQH)

179 SKY correspondent estimates incursion was approx. 50 km, taking Turkey at its word, so only a couple of minutes at most for a mach-1 jet. Turkey says it issued ten warnings, which obviously means they started long before the plane entered their air space, which means the Russians might have been deliberately provocative here.

Posted by: MTF at November 24, 2015 08:11 AM (TxJGV)

180 Dearest in Christ.

Greetings in the name of our Family; this is the second time l am contacting you with regards to this charity work.....

Yet another charity scam from someone in Africa.
Do they selll pastor's names to these folks?!

I am going to pray that "Mrs Rachel Johnson" (and the chances are it's a man) gives up the scamming and truly finds the Lord. On the upside, it beats the scammer last week,
"Mrs. Sleazy Gabriel" ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 24, 2015 08:11 AM (No/ki)

181 New hash...

No whammies...

no whammies...

and STOP

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at November 24, 2015 08:12 AM (fWAjv)

182 Fudge

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at November 24, 2015 08:12 AM (fWAjv)

183 171
Video Purports To Show Dead Russian Pilot In Syria Surrounded Syrian Rebels Chanting God Is Great!



Weasel Zippers



Vladimir ain't gonna like that? LOL



Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 08:08 AM (gf8BH)

When I said the pilot was "ok" I only meant he ejected, but now he'll be in the hands of the Turks? Ugh. Turkey better treat him well and send him home or... it won't end well.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 24, 2015 08:12 AM (xetep)

184 Syria has always been a client State of the USSR. So there has been no "keeping the Russians out".


NEVER has there been so much DIRECT Russian Military involvement in Syria so close to the Israeli Border complicating and already combustible situation and that is VERY Different.

Yes they always supplied Syria with Weapons, and very generously also, but never this kind of direct involvement.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 08:12 AM (gf8BH)

185 ""Mrs. Sleazy Gabriel" ;^) "

I got that one too. LoL But it went right into the junk folder.

Sometimes I check it out. Just for laughs.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old and Unimproved. at November 24, 2015 08:12 AM (WVsWD)

186 Fuck Turkey.

Posted by: The Chicken at November 24, 2015 07:58 AM


Well played, Chicken. Well played...

Posted by: Squadron Commander The Lord Flasheart at November 24, 2015 08:13 AM (pLwjI)

187 So little Clock Boy is suing for $15 million because of all the harm he endured.

Interesting thing about the lawsuit. Among the specified demands:

- The Mayor has to apologize and repudiate all statements or any suggestion that the entire episode was a stunt staged by the family.

- The Sheriff must also repudiate that Clock Boy's actions were suspicious in any way.

This isn't just about getting money, it's about scaring public officials into silence when Mohammedans behave suspiciously.

Posted by: V the K at November 24, 2015 08:14 AM (O7MnT)

188 The "money" people can't buy Trump. They hate that. Good.

Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at November 24, 2015 08:14 AM (I0sxh)

189 When I said the pilot was "ok" I only meant he ejected, but now he'll be in the hands of the Turks? Ugh. Turkey better treat him well and send him home or... it won't end well.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 24, 2015 08:12 AM (xetep)


One pilot dead and reports the other pilot fell into the hands of the rebels and "might" have already been executed? But in rebel hands

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 08:14 AM (gf8BH)

190 Now some group (ostensibly Syrian) is just now claiming to have shot down a Russian helicopter.

Not a good day so far in Moscow.

Posted by: MTF at November 24, 2015 08:14 AM (TxJGV)

191 161 You know what a smart person could do? Make some software that takes an interwebs forum, like, say, this one, and displays it like Windows File Explorer, so everyone in Cubeville just thinks you're looking for files.

I mean, they're both just lists under a larger heading.
Posted by: Just some guy at November 24, 2015 08:03 AM (yxw0r)

"RWC must be a "special" hire. He has been searching for a file all day"

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at November 24, 2015 08:15 AM (fWAjv)

192 This business will get out of control. It will get out of control, and we'll be lucky to live through it.

Too soon?

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at November 24, 2015 08:15 AM (yxw0r)

193 One pilot dead and reports the other pilot fell into
the hands of the rebels and "might" have already been executed? But in
rebel hands

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 08:14 AM (gf8BH)

Sh*t, I missed the "dead" part... last I knew they were alive. Damn. Prayers to them and their families. I loathe Erdogan.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 24, 2015 08:15 AM (xetep)

194 Now some group (ostensibly Syrian) is just now claiming to have shot down a Russian helicopter.

Not a good day so far in Moscow.
Posted by: MTF at November 24, 2015 08:14 AM (TxJGV)

anyone remember Russian involvement in Afghanistan?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 08:16 AM (gf8BH)

195 Irving officials ought to respond with escalation. File a defamation suit, for example. Make clock-boy and his parents return to Texas and testify. I'd like to see Daddy on the stand.

Posted by: MTF at November 24, 2015 08:16 AM (TxJGV)

196 People always act like air wars are "safe" wars. Nope. Pilots are in grave danger on every mission.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 24, 2015 08:16 AM (xetep)

197 Irving officials ought to respond with escalation. File a defamation suit, for example. Make clock-boy and his parents return to Texas and testify. I'd like to see Daddy on the stand.
Posted by: MTF at November 24, 2015 08:16 AM (TxJGV)


I'd like to see daddy in jail or worse

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 08:17 AM (gf8BH)

198 i don't give a fuck who invited whom... Your right
this is NOT a party. It's about keeping the bear out of The MIddle East.
It's been American Foreign Policy and Western Foreign Policy to NOT let
the Bear roam the Middle East and cause trouble...Andf THAT is what is
important.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 08:05 AM (gf8BH)


So you still want to fight the cold war. Why? Syria and Russia have been allies since forever. But you want to break that up, and if to do that means we have to arm some jihadi wackos who end up killing a few hundred or thousand people here, well, they're just the eggs that need to be broken to make your geopolitical omelet for the greater good of...what, exactly? How many Americans have the Russians killed lately?

Posted by: schizoid at November 24, 2015 08:17 AM (j9HEQ)

199 Russia and Turkey have a long history of wars which Russia does pretty well by, generally. Its interesting that their usually seems to be a religious aspect to it, with the Russians - at least nominally - claiming to defend Christians in muslim lands.

Posted by: Bigby's Chicken Fingers at November 24, 2015 08:17 AM (3ZtZW)

200 I saw Sleazy Gabriel open for Questionable Raphael at the Filmore Auditorium in '86.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at November 24, 2015 08:18 AM (yxw0r)

201 This isn't just about getting money, it's about scaring public officials into silence when Mohammedans behave suspiciously.

Posted by: V the K at November 24, 2015 08:14 AM (O7MnT)

So the family has signed off on them releasing the full police report?

No.

Well fuck them in particular then.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at November 24, 2015 08:18 AM (fWAjv)

202 People always act like air wars are "safe" wars. Nope. Pilots are in grave danger on every mission.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at November 24, 2015 08:16 AM (xetep)

Pilots are in grave danger every time they strap themselves in...We have lost a couple of Pilots and passangers in Training missions in just the last week...4 last night at Fort Hood Texas

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 08:18 AM (gf8BH)

203 I'd like to see daddy in jail or worse

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 08:17 AM (gf8BH)
---------------------------------------------------

It's Beer For My Horses time down in Texas.

Posted by: MTF at November 24, 2015 08:20 AM (TxJGV)

204 GOP stooge ing to get Trump kicked off the NH ballot

Former New Hampshire Republican Party Chairman Fergus Cullen has filed a complaint with the state's Ballot Law Commission to try to dispute GOP presidential hopeful Donald Trump as a Republican candidate.

In his six-page complaint, Cullen claims Trump must "present evidence that he is a registered member of the Republican Party because his views, expressed over decades, are inconsistent with the Republican Party platform and the Republican Party of New Hampshire's statement of principles and bylaws."

Cullen, in a phone interview Monday night, said he filed the complaint himself, and not in concert with any other person or organization.

Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski, in a statement to the Union Leader, suggested that Cullen works for Ohio Gov. John Kasich, a Republican rival far behind Trump in the polls. - See more at: http://www.unionleader.com/ Donald-Trump-NH-GOP-Primary-Ballot-being-disputed

Posted by: @votermom at November 24, 2015 08:20 AM (cbfNE)

205 So you still want to fight the cold war. Why? Syria and Russia have been allies since forever. But you want to break that up, and if to do that means we have to arm some jihadi wackos who end up killing a few hundred or thousand people here, well, they're just the eggs that need to be broken to make your geopolitical omelet for the greater good of...what, exactly? How many Americans have the Russians killed lately?
Posted by: schizoid at November 24, 2015 08:17 AM (j9HEQ)


I think the world is a safer place with American Leadership and yeah I don't trust the Ruskies or Chicoms or Muzzies. And I prefer to proactive rather than targets. Isolationism never worked and never will and in the end is more expensive in every way.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 08:21 AM (gf8BH)

206 Pray and let God worry.

Martin Luther

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 24, 2015 08:21 AM (No/ki)

207 Discovery is a bitch, Ahmed.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at November 24, 2015 08:22 AM (oVJmc)

208 Can't have Russia going after Turkey. Turkey is a member of NATO. I use to know what that meant, but with this president...let's say it could be bad news.

Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at November 24, 2015 08:22 AM (I0sxh)

209 So some BLM folks got shot.

Good.

F' the thugs.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at November 24, 2015 08:23 AM (fWAjv)

210 So, in my hometown, one of the local factories that has been bringing in illegal immigrants by the truckload....has proposed building a dormitory for its migrant workers nearby the factory.

Well, as you can imagine, the homeowners near the factory are furious. It is a very quiet, rural area. And, an influx of young, single males are not particularly appealing.

And, the GOP government is going to let it happen. It's sickening.

Posted by: TickledPink at November 24, 2015 08:23 AM (RLFFI)

211 So you still want to fight the cold war. Why?

===

Yeah, I don't get that either. "Keeping the Bear out" made a lot more sense when getting to energy independence was, let's say less realistic. Now we're a lot closer to that.

In a broader, world stability sense, sure. You don't want Russia and China hoarding all the strategic oil supplies and disrupting trade through that essential sea route. But I think those parts can be handled in ways that do not involve Syria and supporting terrorists.

Posted by: Bigby's Chicken Fingers at November 24, 2015 08:24 AM (3ZtZW)

212 Can't have Russia going after Turkey. Turkey is a member of NATO. I use to know what that meant, but with this president...let's say it could be bad news.
Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at November 24, 2015 08:22 AM (I0sxh)

Yup a potential mess. Now I don't think Turkey should be part of Nato, but treaties are a bitch sometimes.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 08:24 AM (gf8BH)

213 >>Can't have Russia going after Turkey. Turkey is a member of NATO. I use to know what that meant, but with this president...let's say it could be bad news.

Putin took parts of Ukraine and Obama did nothing. Putin shot down a commercial airline killing hundreds and Obama did nothing. Putin violated the terms of the sanctions agreement against Iran and Obama did nothing.

I don't see Obama going after Russia over this or pretty much anything short of Putin blowing up Obama's favorite golf course.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 24, 2015 08:25 AM (/tuJf)

214 "Cullen claims Trump must "present evidence that he is a registered member of the Republican Party because his views, expressed over decades, are inconsistent with the Republican Party "


Hah!


Dirty bastards. What are the GOP's expressed views? Primacy of the U.S. CoC? Continued funding of the Federal trough? Rubber stamp legislation for leftist causes?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 24, 2015 08:26 AM (kdDGk)

215 I don't see the rest of NATO putting skin on the line over Turkey, treaties notwithstanding.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at November 24, 2015 08:26 AM (oVJmc)

216 The sun has been up for 1.5 hours now and it is still only 29F here. I hate winter.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 08:27 AM (t2KH5)

217 "204 GOP stooge ing to get Trump kicked off the NH ballot"

I hope these thugs are successful in getting Trump kicked off the ballot.

Then Trump goes third-party and wins.

RIP, GOP--you filthy motherfuckers.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at November 24, 2015 08:27 AM (u5gzz)

218 Yeah, I don't get that either. "Keeping the Bear out" made a lot more sense when getting to energy independence was, let's say less realistic. Now we're a lot closer to that.

In a broader, world stability sense, sure. You don't want Russia and China hoarding all the strategic oil supplies and disrupting trade through that essential sea route. But I think those parts can be handled in ways that do not involve Syria and supporting terrorists.
Posted by: Bigby's Chicken Fingers at November 24, 2015 08:24 AM (3ZtZW)

Allowing Russia into Syria and the rest of the Middle East puts them in a postion to control the Med and the Persian Gulf and all the gulf states. They are already making inroads into Egypt also.

An American Retreat will then effect Europe and ultimately come back to bite us economically also.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 08:27 AM (gf8BH)

219 I don't see the rest of NATO putting skin on the line over Turkey, treaties notwithstanding.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at November 24, 2015 08:26 AM (oVJmc)

I don't either, but then what does that say about America's word?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 08:29 AM (gf8BH)

220 >>Trump must "present evidence that he is a registered member of the
Republican Party because his views, expressed over decades, are
inconsistent with the Republican Party

So now the loyalty pledge he was pressured to sign a few months ago isn't good enough?

Apparent;y the pledge only goes one way.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 24, 2015 08:29 AM (NOIQH)

221 I think the world is a safer place with American
Leadership and yeah I don't trust the Ruskies or Chicoms or Muzzies. And
I prefer to proactive rather than targets. Isolationism never worked
and never will and in the end is more expensive in every way.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 08:21 AM (gf8BH)


Fuck the world and whether or not it's a safer place. *America* has become a much more dangerous place, thanks to the "leadership" you love so much. All of the attacks on America have come from our so-called allies like the Saudis and Chechens and now ISIS (which was an "ally" until it wandered off the Syrian reservation and invaded Iraq).

Posted by: schizoid at November 24, 2015 08:30 AM (j9HEQ)

222 Way back when with the Yemeni conflicts, didn't we just abandon large quantities of weapons and just cut and run?

Could all these attacks against Russia be succeeding because the muzz groups are using our eqipment?

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 24, 2015 08:31 AM (ZdSzs)

223 See more at: http://www.unionleader.com/ Donald-Trump-NH-GOP-Primary-Ballot-being-disputed

Posted by: @votermom at November 24, 2015 08:20 AM


Cullen is absolutely right.

Pro-amnesty, pro-TPP, Choom Boy-enabling squishes like Cruzer, Rubio, Heb! and Kasich are much more representative of the Republican party. How dare Trump speak up in defense of American citizens when there are funds to raise, D.C. cocktail parties to attend and deals to be made with traitorous Democrats?

Wouldn't surprise me if this "Cullen" person was working for the Witches of Salem.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 24, 2015 08:31 AM (dbC6X)

224 Well, with Obama running things, Putin has been looking for a way to prove the NATO treaty is defunct. This could be the way. If the Americans don't support Turkey, Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians better brush up on their Russian. China will start pawing away at Taiwan, Korea and Japan. This could get interesting.

Posted by: MTF at November 24, 2015 08:32 AM (TxJGV)

225 Fuck the world and whether or not it's a safer place. *America* has become a much more dangerous place, thanks to the "leadership" you love so much. All of the attacks on America have come from our so-called allies like the Saudis and Chechens and now ISIS (which was an "ally" until it wandered off the Syrian reservation and invaded Iraq).
Posted by: schizoid at November 24, 2015 08:30 AM (j9HEQ)

Your last name "Paul"? ISIS was an Ally ha?
Hector?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 08:33 AM (gf8BH)

226 "Apparent;y the pledge only goes one way."


It always did.

I really thought Trump should have gotten a pledge from the GOP to not get cornholed at the convention (should he win out the primaries) in exchange for signing any "agreement." They're still gonna try to screw him.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 24, 2015 08:33 AM (pIAcR)

227 "Cullen claims Trump must "present evidence that he is a registered member of the Republican Party because his views, expressed over decades, are inconsistent with the Republican Party "


Hah!




Double hah!

Posted by: rickb223 at November 24, 2015 08:33 AM (hQt/L)

228 Who could have ever predicted that virtually all of the eastern and western countries in the world who have been at ideological odds for a century, taking a military interest in the eastern Mediterranean all at exactly the same moment would ever have the potential for getting out of hand?

Ridiculous! Am I right?

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at November 24, 2015 08:34 AM (BZAd3)

229 Well, with Obama running things, Putin has been looking for a way to prove the NATO treaty is defunct. This could be the way. If the Americans don't support Turkey, Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians better brush up on their Russian. China will start pawing away at Taiwan, Korea and Japan. This could get interesting.
Posted by: MTF at November 24, 2015 08:32 AM (TxJGV)

exactly

We are like the Corleone Family being run out of NYC

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 08:34 AM (gf8BH)

230 Oh, are posters going to start fighting now? try not to get banned. Catch you on the next thread. :^)

But before I go, here is a "Reverend Fun" cartoon on Thanksgiving:

http://www.reverendfun.com/?date=20101122

If you go to the site (Sadly, there are no new cartoons going to be put up. The strip has ended) and put in Thanksgiving on the search engine you'll find lots of cartoons. Maybe there's a link for one you'd like to send to a friiend.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 24, 2015 08:34 AM (No/ki)

231 In former Soviet Russia, Thanksgiving turkey shoots you.

Posted by: Yakov at November 24, 2015 08:34 AM (Y8P5w)

232 223 Cullen is absolutely right.
--------------------------------------------------

You are right: It is ironic the NH GOPe wants "evidence" Trump supports Republican positions. Lets ask Kasich the same frickin question.

Posted by: MTF at November 24, 2015 08:35 AM (TxJGV)

233 Turkey and Russia deserve each other.

Posted by: WannabeAnglican at November 24, 2015 08:35 AM (vFmT2)

234 Trump 2016
Revenge of the Plumbers

Posted by: P. Crack at November 24, 2015 08:36 AM (Y8P5w)

235 We are like the Corleone Family being run out of NYC

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 08:34 AM (gf8BH)
------------------------------------------------

Except they had Michael, a marine. We have Fredo.

Posted by: MTF at November 24, 2015 08:36 AM (TxJGV)

236 They're already in Syria, NGU. They've had basing rights there for decades now. Allies since the Cold War. For them, it was partly a matter of having control over the Caspian and Black seas, passage through the Dardanelles and extending to the eastern Med. I know what you're saying, and partly agree, but I'm also recognizing that we currently have abandoned intervention for the worse and now - against interest - its becoming 'any port in a storm'.

Posted by: Bigby's Chicken Fingers at November 24, 2015 08:36 AM (3ZtZW)

237 >>Well, with Obama running things, Putin has been looking for a way to prove the NATO treaty is defunct. This could be the way. If the Americans don't support Turkey, Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians better brush up on their Russian. China will start pawing away at Taiwan, Korea and Japan. This could get interesting.

Putin took Obama's measure with Ukraine and then rolled Obama over Iran and checkmated him in Syria.

Romney was right, Russia has always been our greatest strategic enemy and they are currently stuffing it up our pooper.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 24, 2015 08:37 AM (/tuJf)

238 This could get interesting.
Posted by: MTF at November 24, 2015 08:32 AM (TxJGV)

I can hardly wait for the "incident" that will draw Israel into this FlailEx with both feet.

Good times.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at November 24, 2015 08:37 AM (BZAd3)

239 Romney was right, Russia has always been our greatest strategic enemy and they are currently stuffing it up our pooper.




The main position Barky enjoys.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 24, 2015 08:38 AM (hQt/L)

240 They're already in Syria, NGU. They've had basing rights there for decades now. Allies since the Cold War. For them, it was partly a matter of having control over the Caspian and Black seas, passage through the Dardanelles and extending to the eastern Med. I know what you're saying, and partly agree, but I'm also recognizing that we currently have abandoned intervention for the worse and now - against interest - its becoming 'any port in a storm'.
Posted by: Bigby's Chicken Fingers at November 24, 2015 08:36 AM (3ZtZW)

No they have NEVER been in Syria like they are now. They now have an Air Umbrella that extends over much of Israel and the Med. Huge difference.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 08:38 AM (gf8BH)

241 It's weird, but I admire Putin a lot more than I admire Obama.

Posted by: V the K at November 24, 2015 08:39 AM (O7MnT)

242 Turkey has been the ones selling the ISIS oil. Russia has been having a hay day on the transport trucks.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at November 24, 2015 08:39 AM (jsWA8)

243 People taping the blm protest were attacked and chased resulting in blm being shot.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at November 24, 2015 08:39 AM (iQIUe)

244 "they are currently stuffing it up our pooper."

Cue James Brown's "I Feel Good"...

Posted by: King Barky, Ruler of the World at November 24, 2015 08:39 AM (u5gzz)

245 Trump may not be the best choice for President for everybody but he is the best choice for the everyday working American imho.

Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at November 24, 2015 08:40 AM (I0sxh)

246 Your last name "Paul"? ISIS was an Ally ha?

Hector?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 08:33 AM (gf8BH)

The jihadi headchoppers who now call themselves ISIS were once a Syrian rebel group Obama (and you) supported because they were fighting Assad. Then they invaded Iraq and became an embarrassment.

Posted by: schizoid at November 24, 2015 08:40 AM (j9HEQ)

247 Starting to feel like Festivus is catching on around the world; at least the Airing of Grievances part.

Posted by: USA at November 24, 2015 08:41 AM (tfM+W)

248 Your last name "Paul"? ISIS was an Ally ha?

Hector?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 08:33 AM (gf8BH)
The jihadi headchoppers who now call themselves ISIS were once a Syrian rebel group Obama (and you) supported because they were fighting Assad. Then they invaded Iraq and became an embarrassment.
Posted by: schizoid at November 24, 2015 08:40 AM (j9HEQ)

A) Crap

B) hello hector

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 08:41 AM (gf8BH)

249
What is with black criminals and swarming? You look at those black teen fight tapes and it is never one on one. It's usually 5-6 on one person. And that is what the blm did last night to the guys taping them.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at November 24, 2015 08:42 AM (iQIUe)

250 Starting to feel like Festivus is catching on around the world; at least the Airing of Grievances part.




Festivus for the rest of us!

Posted by: rickb223 at November 24, 2015 08:42 AM (hQt/L)

251 Old: you Euro-losers of 1914, how could you be so stupid to start a World War?

New: 2015--*turns on news* Hmmm, never mind.

Posted by: Far Post at November 24, 2015 08:42 AM (w6PdG)

252 WWIII World War III are trending on Twitter. So a NATO country shot down a Russian plane. I don't assume war is coming, but I would be less concerned if we didn't have an evil idiot in the White Hut.

Posted by: Baldy at November 24, 2015 08:43 AM (sEXjW)

253 No they have NEVER been in Syria like they are now. They now have an Air Umbrella that extends over much of Israel and the Med. Huge difference.

===

Until the Gulf War, we weren't actively involved much in the Middle East either. As much as possible was done through proxies, which we have now disposed of.

Posted by: Bigby's Chicken Fingers at November 24, 2015 08:43 AM (3ZtZW)

254 Trump is getting crowds not seen since Palin in 2008, another alleged darling of the workin' man and woman. I predict similar election results.

Posted by: P. Crack at November 24, 2015 08:44 AM (Y8P5w)

255 Until the Gulf War, we weren't actively involved much in the Middle East either. As much as possible was done through proxies, which we have now disposed of.
Posted by: Bigby's Chicken Fingers at November 24, 2015 08:43 AM (3ZtZW)


Not true... We might not have had large land bases, but we always had a Carrier Group presence in but the MED ( where we do have land bases ) and the Persian Gulf.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 08:45 AM (gf8BH)

256 A) Crap



B) hello hector

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 08:41 AM (gf8BH)

C) You've got nothing. OK.If you have an argument why the Russians are a bigger threat than Muslim wackos who want to kill us all, so much so that we should arm the Muslim wackos who want to kill us all, I would like to hear it.

Posted by: schizoid at November 24, 2015 08:46 AM (j9HEQ)

257 >> i don't give a fuck who invited whom... Your right this is NOT a party. It's about keeping the bear out of The MIddle East. It's been American Foreign Policy and Western Foreign Policy to NOT let the Bear roam the Middle East and cause trouble

--

Russia *borders* the Middle East. America isn't in the same *hemisphere* as the Middle East, let alone on the same continent. To suggest that Russia's borders shall nonetheless be run by America, and Middle Eastern states don't get to seek their own alliances... the word "imperialism" just seems inadequate for the level of control and micromanagement you're implying that America should exert over the whole world. "Megalomania" might be more fitting. Next, maybe you can tell Norway and Sweden what position they should have on the Jämtländ-Härjedälen border dispute?

Posted by: Blackbutt the Pirate at November 24, 2015 08:47 AM (/kCHc)

258 Not true... We might not have had large land bases, but we always had a Carrier Group presence in but the MED ( where we do have land bases ) and the Persian Gulf.

==

Which I'm not arguing with. Those we need to maintain so as to preserve trade routes, as mentioned in my first response. So far, I'm not seeing any interference.

Posted by: Bigby's Chicken Fingers at November 24, 2015 08:48 AM (3ZtZW)

259 I predict a sudden spike in anti-aircraft activity on the party of everyone involved.

Which is probably what Vlad wanted all along. Clear the skies of all aircraft but his.

If this is the case, this would be another example of just how shrewd he is.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at November 24, 2015 08:48 AM (BZAd3)

260 The Isolationism is strong today

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 08:49 AM (gf8BH)

261 LOL.

Local radio host intended to refer to Josef Goebbels, refers instead to George Gobel.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at November 24, 2015 08:49 AM (oVJmc)

262 "...We might not have had large land bases, but we always had a Carrier Group presence in but the MED ( where we do have land bases ) and the Persian Gulf."

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 08:45 AM (gf8BH)


We've always had a carrier presence in the MED except for when Benghazi was sacked. For some reason, all our carriers were so far away, it would have taken 10 hours for their jets to provide cover.

Posted by: jwest at November 24, 2015 08:50 AM (Zs4uk)

263 So far, I'm not seeing any interference.
Posted by: Bigby's Chicken Fingers at November 24, 2015 08:48 AM (3ZtZW)

Ask Israel if there has not been interference?

Ask the US Air Force and Navy if there has not been interference with our Aircraft?

And it has only started

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 08:50 AM (gf8BH)

264 >>The jihadi headchoppers who now call themselves ISIS were once a Syrian rebel group Obama (and you) supported because they were fighting Assad. Then they invaded Iraq and became an embarrassment.

This is completely wrong. ISIS began in Iraq and spread to Syria.

The fact that the leader of ISIS is named Abu Bakr al Baghdadi should be a good indicator.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 24, 2015 08:51 AM (/tuJf)

265 The sun has been up for 1.5 hours now and it is still only 29F here. I hate winter.

We can help you. "Warmest November on record!"

Posted by: NOAA at November 24, 2015 08:51 AM (Z58Xa)

266 Not sure I get the Russkyphobia on this thread. The fake syrian refugees may not have warheads and planes, but given that this administration is what it is, they pose a much greater threat to us than Putin, both in terms of terrorism and voting. If Russia conquered or decimated large swaths of the ME, that would be replacing one evil with a lesser evil.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 24, 2015 08:51 AM (ZdSzs)

267 We've always had a carrier presence in the MED except for when Benghazi was sacked. For some reason, all our carriers were so far away, it would have taken 10 hours for their jets to provide cover.

Posted by: jwest at November 24, 2015 08:50 AM (Zs4uk)

LOL...Great point

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 08:51 AM (gf8BH)

268 254 Trump is getting crowds not seen since Palin in 2008, another alleged darling of the workin' man and woman. I predict similar election results.

--

Palin almost won despite McShame self-sabotaging.
She woulda won if she was the top of the ticket.

That's why the media went on an all out assault AFTER the election was over and she was just trying to be Governor of Alaska - they were afraid she'd be back in 2012.

Posted by: @votermom at November 24, 2015 08:51 AM (cbfNE)

269 Well off to treat patients and make money so I can support more war mongering Candidates

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 08:52 AM (gf8BH)

270 260
The Isolationism is strong today

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 24, 2015 08:49 AM (gf8BH)

The Fighting The Last War is strong in this one.

Posted by: schizoid at November 24, 2015 08:52 AM (j9HEQ)

271 @249...this is why CC is so important...it can overcome that swarm effect

Posted by: Voter/ConsumerUnit#985731 at November 24, 2015 08:52 AM (pxwEr)

272 You look at those black teen fight tapes and it is never one on one.

Used to be an admonition about that. It's so un-PC you can't even say it now.
"Two on one is [something-kinda] fun." Many a playground-brawler's first exposure to the concept of honor and fair play.

University of Kentucky has a great big WPA-era mural, by a woman, of life in the Old Commonwealth. Unfortunately it includes depictions of a certain party working in tobacco fields, and a minstrel show with a white audience. So it has been shrouded to protect Da Feelz.

Lemme see now. The government-coddled institution of slavery, depicted by a government-employed artist in a government program, at a government university. And add, farming government-subsidized crops. This no doubt was Coolidge's fault. Everybody knows how GOP old Kentucky was.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 24, 2015 08:53 AM (xq1UY)

273
Ask Israel if there has not been interference?

Ask the US Air Force and Navy if there has not been interference with our Aircraft?

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Trade, NGU. I referred to trade.

Posted by: Bigby's Chicken Fingers at November 24, 2015 08:53 AM (3ZtZW)

274 Posted by: Vic-we have no party at November 24, 2015 06:42 AM (t2KH5)

Great line from Steig Larsen's ghost-written novel:

"Lawyers are the hit men of today!"

Posted by: Hrothgar at November 24, 2015 08:53 AM (ftVQq)

275 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at November 24, 2015 08:53 AM (kff5f)

276 Turkey in the news for Thanksgiving?

Coincidence? I think not.

Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2015 08:53 AM (6xtq3)

277 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at November 24, 2015 08:54 AM (kff5f)

278 >>The fact that the leader of ISIS is named Abu Bakr al Baghdadi should be a good indicator.

Wow, I thought Abu Bakr "Big Daddy" al Baghdadi was a rapper straight out of Compton.

Posted by: USA at November 24, 2015 08:54 AM (tfM+W)

279 Let's just say Russia takes some form of action against Turkey.
As a NATO member doesn't that sort of kind of put us at war with Russia?

Posted by: Ex NYC Peasant at November 24, 2015 08:54 AM (k8tEg)

280 The Book of Revelations seems much less bizarre than it used to.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at November 24, 2015 08:55 AM (u5gzz)

281 As a NATO member doesn't that sort of kind of put us at war with Russia?

Posted by: Ex NYC Peasant at November 24, 2015 08:54 AM (k8tEg)


With TFG in the White House? Don't be silly.
Also, I'm going to hope there's some sort of provision about not having to jump in when the ally is the provocateur.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at November 24, 2015 08:56 AM (kff5f)

282 The Isolationism is strong today

RON PAUL!!!

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at November 24, 2015 08:56 AM (oVJmc)

283 Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at November 24, 2015 08:56 AM (oVJmc)

Crap. Now you've done it.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at November 24, 2015 08:56 AM (kff5f)

284 I'm waiting for Ban Ki Moon to publicly state that the spike in tensions between rivals in the area are the result of an elaborate Zionist plot.

3... 2...

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at November 24, 2015 08:56 AM (BZAd3)

285 As a NATO member doesn't that sort of kind of put us at war with Russia?

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If Turkey declares War and invokes Article 5, iirc

Posted by: Bigby's Chicken Fingers at November 24, 2015 08:57 AM (3ZtZW)

286 Turkey in the news for Thanksgiving?

Coincidence? I think not.


The Annual Presidential Turkey Pardon will have a twist this year...

Posted by: Barack Obama at November 24, 2015 08:57 AM (Z58Xa)

287 It will be interesting if ISIS catches the pilot and his weapons man (or purchases them from their captors). Seeing them caged up and bbq'd will not play well in Moscow.

Posted by: goon at November 24, 2015 08:57 AM (gy5kE)

288 > It's weird, but I admire Putin a lot more than I admire Obama.

Me too. Putin is demonstrating qualities such as "competence" and "foresight" that seem mysteriously absent from a lot of other whirled leaders.
Putin says he wants Crimea, Putin marches into Crimea, Putin seizes Crimea, the world whines, Putin distracts everyone with Ukraine and Syria.
Obama says Assad must go, Obama insists Assad has crossed a line, Obama wags his finger some more, Obama takes a stand and sends a strongly worded letter, Obama distracts himself by playing golf.

> The Isolationism is strong today

If by "isolationism" you mean not bombing faraway shitholes into shittierholes for the crime of allying Russia, sure.

Posted by: Blackbutt the Pirate at November 24, 2015 08:58 AM (/kCHc)

289 Somebody want to roll Reggie off of the president's ass and inform him that his little clusterfuck in the Middle East is about to get Hot?

Posted by: Fritz at November 24, 2015 08:58 AM (UzPAd)

290 If Turkey declares War and invokes Article 5, iirc

Whoa, there, high horsey! Mustn't overreact by reacting.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at November 24, 2015 08:58 AM (mxCgt)

291 The Book of Revelations seems much less bizarre than it used to.

===

No, it still is. It has a very Chaldean feel to it in the early parts, what with the cosmic monsters and astral court. I think John of Patmos was steeped in all of that from childhood.

Posted by: Bigby's Chicken Fingers at November 24, 2015 09:01 AM (3ZtZW)

292 The offending Racist Mural (center panel NSFBLM)
https://kentuckyfresco.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/mem-mural-large.jpg

I submit that had they been tending kale or quinoa, the BLM would have been told to STFU. Involuntary servitude and tobacco must be excised from memory.

Bourbon next. Hill to die on?

Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 24, 2015 09:01 AM (xq1UY)

293 >>Not sure I get the Russkyphobia on this thread. The fake syrian refugees may not have warheads and planes, but given that this administration is what it is, they pose a much greater threat to us than Putin, both in terms of terrorism and voting. If Russia conquered or decimated large swaths of the ME, that would be replacing one evil with a lesser evil.

It's not so much fear of Russia as it is an acknowledgement that they are attempting to fundamentally change the power structure of the world. At least from where I sit.

If you remember when Russia first went into Ukraine one of the first things Putin did was to remind Europe that he controlled a huge portion of their energy needs and if they didn't play nice, embargo on. That's all Russia is, a gas station, and Putin uses it as a weapon. Europe rolled over on Ukraine.

I think he's attempting to increase his capacity by aligning with Iran, Syria and whatever becomes of Iraq. That would be a huge coup for Russia and give then an enormous lever to use against Europe and ultimately us.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 24, 2015 09:01 AM (/tuJf)

294 It's weird, but I admire Putin a lot more than I admire Obama.

Balls the size of grapefruit, is why, while we have a "transitioning" President Caitlyn.

Posted by: t-bird at November 24, 2015 09:01 AM (mxCgt)

295 The sun has been up for 1.5 hours now and it is still only 29F here. I hate winter.

We can help you. "Warmest November on record!"




No shit. Trees still haven't dropped leaves.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 24, 2015 09:02 AM (hQt/L)

296 Putin should arm the Kurds. That would piss off ISIS, Turkey and Obama.

Posted by: Dobby at November 24, 2015 09:02 AM (b1uWI)

297 Well, with Obama running things, Putin has been looking for a way to prove the NATO treaty is defunct. This could be the way. If the Americans don't support Turkey, Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians better brush up on their Russian. China will start pawing away at Taiwan, Korea and Japan. This could get interesting.

Putin took Obama's measure with Ukraine and then rolled Obama over Iran and checkmated him in Syria.

Romney was right, Russia has always been our greatest strategic enemy and they are currently stuffing it up our pooper.
Posted by: JackStraw

An excellent summation.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 24, 2015 09:02 AM (326rv)

298 "So, Turkey shot down a Russian fighter jet overnight."

One lump of polonium for your tea, or two, Mr. Erdogan?

Posted by: torquewrench at November 24, 2015 09:03 AM (noWW6)

299 It has a very Chaldean feel to it in the early parts, what with the cosmic monsters and astral court

Well... if by "Chaldean" you mean "Vision of Daniel," sure. And, yeah, John would have been very familiar with that imagery.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at November 24, 2015 09:03 AM (kff5f)

300 Turkey in the news for Thanksgiving?

Hey, USDA has a hot-line on how to roast one.
Judging by comments, State and DOD do not.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 24, 2015 09:05 AM (xq1UY)

301 Well... if by "Chaldean" you mean "Vision of Daniel," sure.


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No.

Posted by: Bigby's Chicken Fingers at November 24, 2015 09:05 AM (3ZtZW)

302 Not to worry. We have plenty of time left before the next president takes over for Obama to make it worse.

Posted by: THDeering at November 24, 2015 09:05 AM (Ymx+z)

303 This is completely wrong. ISIS began in Iraq and spread to Syria.



The fact that the leader of ISIS is named Abu Bakr al Baghdadi should be a good indicator.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 24, 2015 08:51 AM (/tuJf)

Maybe my memory fails me, but I distinctly remember Toyota trucks rolling into Iraq from Syria. The leader being from Baghdad doesn't mean much because these wacko groups have overlapping memberships (much like campus liberals).

Posted by: schizoid at November 24, 2015 09:06 AM (j9HEQ)

304 ISIS began as part of the insurgency in Iraq, but was pushed out and reorganized in Syria, where it's success allowed it to establish itself as a territorial state.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at November 24, 2015 09:07 AM (fC9RO)

305 @297
True. This is an extension of the Crimean campaign, with the same object (exposing NATO and the US as paper tigers). But I think the Erdogan's unpredictable nature actually bodes well in this situation. I think the Russians will grumble and take other actions but not escalate directly, as they wouldn't want things to quickly spiral out of control.
But history teaches us that attempts to carefully calibrate standoffs can go horribly wrong, e.g. if there is some other action such as another civilian Russian jet going down, or a major act of terrorism.
Good thing we have a steady hand at the helm here though
*takes up smoking again with nervous fingers*

Posted by: Ex NYC Peasant at November 24, 2015 09:08 AM (k8tEg)

306 Russia won't have to fire a shot. They'll probably just do a little cyber attack demonstration and put the world on notice that they do play for keeps.

Posted by: goon at November 24, 2015 09:08 AM (gy5kE)

307 302 Not to worry. We have plenty of time left before the next president takes over for Obama to make it worse.

Posted by: THDeering at November 24, 2015 09:05 AM (Ymx+z)

And not a doubt in my mind that he will. Beyond my imagination.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at November 24, 2015 09:08 AM (fWAjv)

308

yikes

Turks hate Kurds and Russians

what a hot mess

Posted by: ThunderB at November 24, 2015 09:09 AM (zOTsN)

309 "University of Kentucky has a great big WPA-era mural, by a woman, of
life in the Old Commonwealth. Unfortunately it includes depictions of a
certain party working in tobacco fields, and a minstrel show with a
white audience. So it has been shrouded to protect Da Feelz."

Oh, yes, the WPA. The creation of the racist segregationist Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Roosevelt's real sympathies now having been revealed by the newly unearthed memo from the Wilson era in which Roosevelt ordered separate black and white restrooms at the Navy Department.

If the SJWs begin to viciously attack FDR and announce that all things Rooseveltian must be purged from the national memory, you'll know that we have _really_ plunged down the rabbit hole.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 24, 2015 09:10 AM (noWW6)

310 297 Ow! My pooper!

Posted by: Weasel at November 24, 2015 09:10 AM (6xtq3)

311

who do you think the other NATO countries and the EU and their populations would side with

Turkey or Russia

I'm going with Russia, NATO be damned

Posted by: ThunderB at November 24, 2015 09:10 AM (zOTsN)

312 Putin should arm the Kurds.

This is the tragedy of the Kurds. At another point when "American leadership" could mean any damn thing, the largest Kurdish faction allied with the Soviets. When a Turk says "rebels," he means Kurdish communists. Iraqi Kurds really did not want to talk about it, and it looked like "things" were getting better, but Kurdish separatist/nationalist movement is terribly intertwined with Soviet Cold War influence. Probably the main reason US doesn't unequivocally support them now.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 24, 2015 09:11 AM (xq1UY)

313 Balls the size of grapefruit, is why, while we have a "transitioning" President Caitlyn.

Posted by: t-bird
---
No. Caitlyn is a goofy, amusing type clown. Obama is the stereotypical evil clown.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 24, 2015 09:11 AM (ZdSzs)

314 For all of you bitching about Russia, they aren't doing anything the US has done, and does on an almost daily basis.

Piss and moan all you want about Putin, he's not the real enemy. The real enemy lies at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. and with everyone who supports that thing.

Posted by: Blano at November 24, 2015 09:11 AM (NHQQx)

315 right now ALL of Europe is afraid of the muslim horde

who do they think will protect them

Turkey or Russia

they will side with Russia

NATO will blow apart

Posted by: ThunderB at November 24, 2015 09:12 AM (zOTsN)

316
The latest polling in America has President Obama at 42% favorable, and President Putin at 62%. Vlad makes President Obama look like a little bitch.

Posted by: Sergey Lavrov at November 24, 2015 09:12 AM (OiFtZ)

317 "The real enemy lies at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. and with everyone who supports that thing."

Impeachment is still off the table.

Posted by: Bitch McConnell with a Dick In His Mouth at November 24, 2015 09:12 AM (u5gzz)

318 It's not so much fear of Russia as it is an
acknowledgement that they are attempting to fundamentally change the
power structure of the world. At least from where I sit.


Posted by: JackStraw at November 24, 2015 09:01 AM (/tuJf)




Yup. Russia opposes what Bush I called the "new world order," and so do I. Yay Putin.

Posted by: schizoid at November 24, 2015 09:12 AM (j9HEQ)

319

by his actions the JEF has practically driven Europe into Russia's embrace

Posted by: ThunderB at November 24, 2015 09:12 AM (zOTsN)

320 "Putin should arm the Kurds. That would piss off ISIS, Turkey and Obama."

"Piss off" probably understates the matter. All three parties would be utterly infuriated by such a move.

What first indicated the fundamental unseriousness of Obama's "containment" of the Islamic State was his official bar on providing heavy weapons to the Kurds, who are the only local force to have proven to be consistently ground-combat-effective against IS.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 24, 2015 09:13 AM (noWW6)

321 Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 24, 2015 09:11 AM (xq1UY)

I'll take an independent Kurdish enclave between Turkey and Iraq, even though it might be a socialist controlled country.

They will fight the Jihadists, and at this point that is far more important than anything else.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 24, 2015 09:14 AM (Zu3d9)

322
Heard on radio that "younger members of the Center for American Progress" protested Netanyahu's speech, too. Trying to verify but havent found anything. Anybody hear this?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at November 24, 2015 09:15 AM (iQIUe)

323 @316
In the runup to the 2012 election I used to look at Rasmussen obsessively, delighting in the underwater Obama. Then in the weeks and days prior to the election, mirabile dictu, a storm here, a few faked Labor Dept numbers there, a bit of voter fraud over here and voila: another term for the Great Transforming Socialist America Hater.

Polls on a given day mean nothing against the steady erosion of American values by ceaseless, excessive immigration from without and generations of leftist indoctrination in the schools from within.

Good times!

Posted by: Ex NYC Peasant at November 24, 2015 09:15 AM (k8tEg)

324 Just as our abandoning our bases in Germany led directly to the Ukraine war, our abandoning Iraq led to a vacuum that Putin is happy to fill. But hey, we balanced the budget by bringing the Troops, home, right? The Libertarians and Liberals alike assured me that would happen.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 24, 2015 09:16 AM (2cS/G)

325 who do you think the other NATO countries and the EU and their populations would side with

Turkey or Russia

I'm going with Russia, NATO be damned



NATO is toast.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 24, 2015 09:16 AM (hQt/L)

326 A Plouffe of much needed stray voltage?

Posted by: USA at November 24, 2015 09:17 AM (tfM+W)

327 I really don't understand why the Turks did this, other than to support ISIS.

Posted by: maddogg at November 24, 2015 09:17 AM (xWW96)

328 The daily press briefing should be a real hoot today. Poor Josh is going to have to be double-talking even more, and faster, than usual.

Posted by: goon at November 24, 2015 09:17 AM (gy5kE)

329 all things Rooseveltian must be purged from the national memory
Frabjous Day. Now you're talking like a real conservative!

Little is said of the Eleanor "Southern" strategy. While Big Dem continued throughout the national Time of Troubles to act like KKK slaveowners, Eleanor would show up now and again at black community events, talk up better education and such li'l bit, basically let the little guy know he had a friend in high places.

She did laughably little, but it made a lasting impact. The work of generations, cemented thirty years later by LBJ's infamous comment on how "they'd" vote.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 24, 2015 09:19 AM (xq1UY)

330 The incident is the first time a NATO member's armed forces have shot
down a Russian or Soviet military aircraft since the 1950s.

Posted by: Norman Schwarzkopf at November 24, 2015 09:19 AM (e8kgV)

331 In the 18th century, Fredrick the Great turned military tactics on their head. Putin is doing the same thing for taking over the world.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at November 24, 2015 09:20 AM (BZAd3)

332 The incident is the first time a NATO member's armed forces have shot

down a Russian or Soviet military aircraft since the 1950s.


And it's all over Erdogan's graft money.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at November 24, 2015 09:21 AM (oVJmc)

333 328 The daily press briefing should be a real hoot today. Poor Josh is going to have to be double-talking even more, and faster, than usual.
Posted by: goon at November 24, 2015 09:17 AM (gy5kE)

And the administration is going to have to go into high gear getting the intel community to make even bigger changes to their reports.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at November 24, 2015 09:22 AM (BZAd3)

334 The Soviets shot down enough US and NATO aircraft for border incursions over the years, I really don't see what the problem is. The precedent has been long established. When a military aircraft violates your airspace you shoot it down. The Soviets made the rules, make them live by those rules.

Posted by: THDeering at November 24, 2015 09:22 AM (Ymx+z)

335 324,

So the US has no more bases in Germany?

Mmmmk.

Posted by: Blano at November 24, 2015 09:23 AM (NHQQx)

336 >>>>This isn't just about getting money, it's about scaring public officials into silence when Mohammedans behave suspiciously.



Posted by: V the K at November 24, 2015 08:14 AM (O7MnT)



So the family has signed off on them releasing the full police report?



No.



Well fuck them in particular then.
.
.
.
.This part bugs me. Why is the police report sealed? Is it because he is a juvenile? That's the only thing I can think of.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 24, 2015 09:24 AM (iONHu)

337 They are Sunni, primarily, and that is troubling, but protecting sovereign air space is perfectly acceptable behavior, if you have the stones for the consequences. I find it rather refreshing, and its not as though they snuck up on some lonely innocent aircraft. The fools were bombing Turkey friendly, anti-Assad, villages right across the border and they had already been warned that that wasn't acceptable. Things getting out of control may be just what this old world needs.

Posted by: goon at November 24, 2015 09:26 AM (gy5kE)

338 I really don't understand why the Turks did this, other than to support ISIS.

Posted by: maddogg at November 24, 2015 09:17 AM (xWW96)

Turks have thier own regional ambitions

Kurds in northern Iraq, on the Turkish border, are sitting on all that oil. Turkey would like that oil.

Furthermore Turkey was using ISIS to kill the Kurds for them. Turks have a long historic hatred of Kurds and would like to get rid of them like they did the Armenians. Putin killing the people that were killing the kurds, well the Turks would not like that. The Turks do not want an independant Kurdish state on their border.

Finally, the Turks have a long standing hatred and distrust of the Russians and their regional ambitions. Russia, and the US apparently, would happily cede the region to the Iranians. Turks do not want to be under an Iranian thumb, and certainly not a Russian thumb. Turks must have felt the Russian planes incursion, in addition to protecting the Kurds, was infringin on their sovereignty

Plus the Turkish military can be bat shit. At Incirlik during the Gulf War we caught them breaking in to our buildings on the flight line and stealing tools etc. I mean under the orders of their commander they broke into our buildings and were stealing stuff. Our security police were called, both groups had guns drawn, the American base commander responded. Turkish army pointed their guns at the Base Commander! At some point, Turks lose their fucking minds

Posted by: ThunderB at November 24, 2015 09:27 AM (zOTsN)

339 Just as our abandoning our bases in Germany led directly to the Ukraine war, our abandoning Iraq led to a vacuum that Putin is happy to fill.

That giant sucking sound isn't Charlie Sheen, it's the sound of our Peace Prize-winning President!

Posted by: t-bird at November 24, 2015 09:27 AM (RrDm2)

340 Piss and moan all you want about Putin, he's not the real enemy. The real enemy lies at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. and with everyone who supports that thing.
Posted by: Blano
---
Yes, there do seem to be vestiges of outdated concerns on this thread. I grew up during the tail end of the cold war, so I remember that angst. This is infinitely worse, however.

It's like the difference between worrying about getting shot in a standoff, and worrying that your own family and friends are trying to infect you with ebola.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 24, 2015 09:30 AM (ZdSzs)

341 Now let me be perfectly clear; I... *zzzzzzzzzzzzz- s. s. s. st*

Posted by: President McDreamy at November 24, 2015 09:30 AM (UzPAd)

342 Just as our abandoning our bases in Germany led directly to the Ukraine war, our abandoning Iraq led to a vacuum that Putin is happy to fill.

What base are you referring to?

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at November 24, 2015 09:30 AM (QPdNE)

343

I think this is a big deal because Putin is not the sort of fellow to ignore this sort of thing. He will punish Turkey, and not just economically

Posted by: ThunderB at November 24, 2015 09:30 AM (zOTsN)

344 This part bugs me. Why is the police report sealed? Is it because he is a juvenile? That's the only thing I can think of.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 24, 2015 09:24 AM (iONHu)

Yep. Parents have to sign off to have it released.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at November 24, 2015 09:30 AM (fWAjv)

345 There are virtually no garrison bases left in Germany. They've all been recalled, except for an out-processing center, hospital facilities and Ramstein AB. No more armor, infantry, artillery. So, yeah, all those US bases, they're all closed down and overgrown with weeds these days. Though a few are being used to house refugees.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 24, 2015 09:31 AM (2cS/G)

346 So Center for Ameican Progress is just a lefty front group? Missed that.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at November 24, 2015 09:31 AM (iQIUe)

347 Art up.

Posted by: HH at November 24, 2015 09:32 AM (DrCtv)

348

right now Egypt, and Israel, and France and Belgium and who else in Europe, especially eastern Europe, are falling into Putins camp. Kind of a big deal. Preznit Nobel Prize has not only abandoned the ME and Europe he has handed them over to Iran and Russia

NATO is dead

Posted by: ThunderB at November 24, 2015 09:33 AM (zOTsN)

349 98 Also on the album, there's a hidden track of Obama's cover of "It's Raining Men".
____________________

With back-up vocals by Charlie Sheen.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 24, 2015 07:33 AM (a31sM)

He played skin flute.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 24, 2015 09:33 AM (kpqmD)

350 Don't they remember Barry's Cairo speech? Just listen to that again, and everything will be peachy

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 24, 2015 09:34 AM (493sH)

351 Polls on a given day mean nothing against the steady
erosion of American values by ceaseless, excessive immigration from
without and generations of leftist indoctrination in the schools from
within.



Posted by: Ex NYC Peasant at November 24, 2015 09:15 AM (k8tEg)

It's even worse than that as many that disapprove of Obama people disappointed he has not be more radical left and generous with the free stuff. Or that he hasn't rounded up conservatives and set them to camp yet.

Posted by: Hand of Count Petofi at November 24, 2015 09:34 AM (1BQGO)

352 136 This world could use a good cleansing. The Biblical kind.
Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at November 24, 2015 07:51 AM (HSAmh)

*points at nick*

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 24, 2015 09:35 AM (kpqmD)

353 "What base are you referring to?"

I can name three, all in Augsburg. Sheriden, Reese, and Flak Kasernes.

1/18, 1/30/ 1/36 Field Artillery Battalions. plus a Hospital.

Actually 4.

2/42 was in Neu Ulm. They were a Lance Missile Battalion.

They are all gone. There is only one Building left of all 4 Kasernes. It's now a Harley Davidson Dealership in a Building that was formerly on Sheriden.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old and Unimproved. at November 24, 2015 09:36 AM (WVsWD)

354 Strassburk Kaserne, 6th Bn 29th FA, 1st AD, I see pics of it from a friend in Germany all the time. The barracks I lived in has trees growing up through the pavers, it's a ghost town.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 24, 2015 09:38 AM (2cS/G)

355 Spangdahlem AB, Bitburg AB

closed

Posted by: ThunderB at November 24, 2015 09:38 AM (zOTsN)

356 Well, that's exactly how I expected the GOP loyalty pledge to work. 21st century loyalty in a CoC corporatist world.
"We expect loyalty from you 24/365. Our loyalty to you, if any, is subject to renegotiation unilaterally and without notice".

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 24, 2015 09:38 AM (erRNA)

357 Yes, there do seem to be vestiges of outdated concerns on this thread. I grew up during the tail end of the cold war, so I remember that angst. This is infinitely worse, however.

It's like the difference between worrying about getting shot in a standoff, and worrying that your own family and friends are trying to infect you with ebola.


Let us not forget that Putin, or at least some of his closest advisors, subscribe to an ideology that seeks to replace Anglo-American-style democracy with a mix of the "good parts" of communism, Nazism, and (IIRC) monarchism.

Islamicism may be the biggest threat just now, but a neo-Imperial Russia running off a virulent ideology opposed to everything worthwhile about the West could be a major problem down the line.

Rule number something-or-other: "The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more, no less."

Posted by: Grey Fox at November 24, 2015 09:39 AM (bZ7mE)

358 In the end, I think that it is obvious that in the end, we can trust Obama to...


Wow. That thought went nowhere.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at November 24, 2015 09:40 AM (BZAd3)

359 Stalin fought the Nazis and then gobbled up Eastern Europe in the bargain leading to decades of decline and oppression

meet the new Stalin

Posted by: ThunderB at November 24, 2015 09:40 AM (zOTsN)

360 They keep banging that gong but being lonely and being alone are two different things.

I'm sure they did their best but I doubt they screened for those that were missing people and those who do not.

I can enjoy being around people but can quite easily be alone without any longings to be amongst the herd.

And this is not true for most people. I get that.

But the constant drumbeat saying that somehow this is bad for 100% of humans always seems to have a flaw in it somewhere.

Just like they beat the drum for married folks being happier than unmarried folks.

They just don't screen for the ones who are unhappy they're not married and those that aren't bothered by it or have become used to the condition.

Let's face it, all theses studies set out to prove something cause if they don't, they won't get the bucks for another survey/study. So they tilt the questions, rig the scales just a bit. Enough so they can say what they need to say.

It's just like how many times they've told us this food or that food is bad for us and then 10 years later they say, oops we were wrong, it's not bad for you. But something else is.

My base line; if you're happy, keep doing what you're doing. If you're not; do something else until you are.

Don't use surveys to tell you whether you're happy or whether what you're doing is bad for you.

It's a waste of time.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 24, 2015 09:41 AM (Xo1Rt)

361 Uhh why does Google have a naked 0bama being followed by a couple of chimps on it's home page?
Because it's 2015.
/cdn reference

Posted by: prime minister justin turdeau at November 24, 2015 09:45 AM (xodPA)

362 This could get ... interesting.

A fine time to play through.

Posted by: Queen JugEars at November 24, 2015 09:49 AM (DL2i+)

363 Seven years into the reign of ShitMidas, and some are still calling for impeachment.

The proper time for that was years ago. Fecklessness abounds in DC on the GOP side. Your wish for impeachment may be better spent on a lottery ticket.

The whole goal now is to survive. Mostly intact.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at November 24, 2015 09:55 AM (kKHcp)

364 In case anybody didn't know, Turkey has the second largest army of any NATO allied country, second only to the US.

Posted by: kennyraisin at November 24, 2015 09:55 AM (rmvCQ)

365 >>>>Strassburk Kaserne, 6th Bn 29th FA, 1st AD, I see pics of it from a
friend in Germany all the time. The barracks I lived in has trees
growing up through the pavers, it's a ghost town.
.
.
.
.Looks like they deactivated the Kaserne at bad Kissingen also. I was there in the 1970s with the 2/41 FA.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at November 24, 2015 10:00 AM (iONHu)

366 LOL!!! So I guess the Russian Air Force is, uh... "TOP NOTCH" !!!

Posted by: deadrody at November 24, 2015 10:42 AM (kj7T1)

367
355 Spangdahlem AB, Bitburg AB

Not Spang, too!?! I didn't know that...

Posted by: Spun and Murky at November 24, 2015 11:02 AM (4DCSq)

368
So the only fighter bases we have left over there are Lakenheath and Aviano?

Posted by: Spun and Murky at November 24, 2015 11:09 AM (4DCSq)

369
Nato was already dead. (Opening sentence to Tom Clancy novel not yet written)
Turkey, not so much a pluralistic society now, sees fallen states to the soueast, and likes what it sees -an opportunity. Being venal and having poor impulse control, Turkey provides Isis with material support. It refines oil and provides financing for Isis. Isis in turn kills off states to the soueast of Turkeyincluding the Kurds. Turkey drools over the prospect of eliminating the Kurds and accumulating oil assets.
Russia sees Nato as a block to its ambitions. Russia believes Nato is dead in fact not just theory, but short of a war needs a way to show it is just a hollow scarecrow. (2008 -2012) *Bides time until Turkey makes a mistake.* ("I will have more flexibility after the elections." "I vill transmit dis to Vladimir.")
Turkey, being venal and having poor impulse controls makes mistake as above.Russia, protecting itspawn inSyria, puts pressure on Isis to that effect. Turkey,supports its secret partner Isis, with a shoot down allegedly over the border incursion.Russia, now checks Turkey, hard, into the boards, and Nato does nothing. Because how can Nato support Turkey for supporting Isis? Nato treaty is demonstrated asdead, in fact, not theory. Signatories now can no longer delude themselves in to believing they havebackup. Thus, acceding to Russian dominance in eastern Europe without a costly andresource consuming war.What does Russia do to check Turkey into the boards? I expect a strike wing to back up the next fighter sortie. The airbase that theTurkish fightersfly out of is going to eat some long range missiles. Probably air and sealaunched cruise missiles.
Turkey, no longer a Nato member, is a free agent. For how long? Is there another treaty in the making - a Caliphate treaty? Is an Islamic axis possible? Interesting times indeed. Turkey can not openly allay with Isis, but secret agreements were only too common among countries in days of yore. Russia, loses in the middle east but wins in eastern Europe. Is that a pawn sacrifice Putin is willing to make to capture the Queen -NATO and eastern Europe?
War rides in 2016. (But I could be totally wrong . . .about the date.)

Posted by: simplemind at November 24, 2015 11:11 AM (JTwsP)

370 I want that town to fight this lawsuit. I want that
information that his family wouldn't agree to release to become public.
Most of all I want us to stop kowtowing.



His suit actually claims that if it were a white teenage girl who
did this and pasted rhinestones and glitter on the case that she
wouldn't have been arrested. Besides being sexist and stereotypical
(Make them live by their own rules), the fact is that is an unprovable
assertion because that isn't what happened.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at November 24, 2015 08:09 AM (PFy0L)


Seems to me a good hit man would cost less than a good lawyer. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 24, 2015 11:17 AM (7MWCL)

371 Who is paying the lawyer freight for the practice bomb making clock boi?

Posted by: torabora at November 24, 2015 12:21 PM (vdvXu)

372 85
As a side note, how advanced can a Russky jet be if the Turks shot it down?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton

Any aircraft can be shot down, JJ. The Broken Clock/Blind Squirrel rules apply to combat pilots, too.

You can't expect a bunch of ignorant peons to understand machinery like our boys do....


Posted by: MrScribbler at November 24, 2015 07:20 AM (dbC6X)
********Your clock broken?

Posted by: Ob+mao's Clock Boi at November 24, 2015 12:58 PM (vdvXu)

373 General Dynamics 1, Sukhoi 0.

Posted by: melanerpes at November 24, 2015 01:50 PM (6sjBD)

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