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US Pilots Confirm: Obama Blocks 75% of Proposed Airstrikes on Syria and Iraq
I keep saying this. People keep saying "An airwar can't win," but it won in Kosovo (surprising me, frankly -- I used to subscribe to the "airpower can't win" thesis).
Then people look at the Syria bombing and say "well there you go, an air war can't win." But Obama is not conducting an airwar in Syria. He is conducting a Public Relations Pageant to, as he once proposed in regards to bombing Syria, just do enough so as not to be mocked. Who knows whether a airwar could win. Obama is not interested in finding out. He is pretending to have an airwar so that he doesn't face public pressure to actually mount an airwar. He can always say, "Look, it's just not working." But he's the one determined that it should not work. Hey, he got that Nobel Peace Prize for nothing -- but now he's trying to earn it. As I've said repeatedly, you only hear that a terrorist leader was killed in a drone attack. You never hear "a dozen jihadi soldiers were killed in an airstrike." This is because Obama refuses to kill jihadi soldiers. He only is willing to kill leaders, because, well, if he didn't, we'd impeach him. But he feels leaders are culpable, as leaders (like himself) make moral choices, whereas everyone else are animal-level followers who are simply the playthings of circumstance. Terrorists, he's told us so many times, are merely misled and misinformed creatures who just need some good economic opportunities and maybe some #HashtagUplift from the State Department and then they'll stop being terrorists. So why would he bomb them? So, he doesn't. He will authorize a strike on a terrorist leader or a bomb-maker. But not a "mere" terrorist soldier. They -- like you -- lack moral agency. It's only the Exalted People who actually count in this world, and who are actually capable of making moral decisions. The Exalted People -- the ones on TV, largely -- are a sort of breed apart. They are the only people capable of making free choices. This is of course hysterically condescending and elitist, but worse than that, this attitude that ISIS terrorist soldiers are just like the "bitter clingers" of Pennsylvania, clinging to their xenophobia, guns, and religion, and thus are to be pitied and led into enlightenment, is what permits ISIS' reign of terror.* The destruction at the temple at Palmyra was not a fast-moving event. People knew it was happening. Afterwards, ISIS soldiers cruised up and down the empty desert strip as if they were partying teenagers cruising Boardwalk Avenue in a beach town. They were not bombed, and, even more tellingly, they had no fear they would be bombed. Why not?@AceofSpadesHQ pic.twitter.com/w6YWoOcMIs
— Derp McFlannel (@DerpFlannel) November 20, 2015Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2015 12:39 PM (qCMvj)
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It's a lot like illegal immigration and the annoyed elitist claims that the problem just can't be solved except through amnesty.
Just make a pronouncement that it can't be done no way and end of discussion.
Just make a pronouncement that it can't be done no way and end of discussion.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 20, 2015 12:40 PM (4ErVI)
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First, and not only in your hearts.
Posted by: Jeb! at November 20, 2015 12:40 PM (nSW/N)
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You can't accidentally hit the baby food factories that supply the vital nutrients muslim children need to spontaneously explode within 10 feet of Jews or other Westerners.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at November 20, 2015 12:41 PM (AC0lD)
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One or two bombs a day, or ten or twenty bombs a day isn't an 'air war'. War is total. Anything less than total is a slap fight.
Posted by: THDeering at November 20, 2015 12:41 PM (ObvvK)
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O/T early. Just thinking about the nuts at Princeton doubling down on Woodrow Wilson, liberal hero.
This shit didn't start yesterday. Anyone else remember that Moochie wrote her Princeton senior paper on how whites at Princeton hated blacks?
Affirmative action admits think EVERYTHING should be like their admission, a free ride.
This shit didn't start yesterday. Anyone else remember that Moochie wrote her Princeton senior paper on how whites at Princeton hated blacks?
Affirmative action admits think EVERYTHING should be like their admission, a free ride.
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 20, 2015 12:42 PM (jJRIy)
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Good morning Ace
Posted by: pashmr at November 20, 2015 12:42 PM (CRtzT)
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the one thing ISIS does not have is an Air Force
its a critical advantage, and thats why he doesnt really use it
the one thing ISIS does not have is an Air Force
its a critical advantage, and thats why he doesnt really use it
Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2015 12:43 PM (zOTsN)
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Obama really believes his own BS. He thinks he can kill them with global warming by just flying the jets around.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 20, 2015 12:43 PM (XtAzU)
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has he faced any public pressure during his regime?
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at November 20, 2015 12:44 PM (AWe5n)
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He Stands With Islam.
Posted by: Garrett at November 20, 2015 12:44 PM (DxKQL)
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It all connects to valjar, Iran, and mooslem brothahood.
Obarky's bony hands are tied. He is not known for his courage, but for his lazy and dopey hopin'changin' fecal swastika-eatin' grin.
On this note, Happy Thanksgiving to all should I be in jail after wood floor guy comes and tells me tile is ruined from glue spots. Then I am flying home. xoxo
Obarky's bony hands are tied. He is not known for his courage, but for his lazy and dopey hopin'changin' fecal swastika-eatin' grin.
On this note, Happy Thanksgiving to all should I be in jail after wood floor guy comes and tells me tile is ruined from glue spots. Then I am flying home. xoxo
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at November 20, 2015 12:45 PM (Mopd7)
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Well, there's no Republicans there.
Posted by: Dr. Hussein - Captain Climate, AA, BFD at November 20, 2015 12:45 PM (HgMAr)
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Gee, Ace. We were mounting a raiding party to come rescue you.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at November 20, 2015 12:45 PM (iQIUe)
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Of course an air war *can* win hypothetical wars.
The point of war is to make your opponent agree to your terms by inflicting enough pain to make your terms comparability palatable.
It turns out of course that on the issues that normally lead to a war that the sides are heavily invested and willing to sacrifice a significant portion of their collective wealth and lives...and air power does a poorer job of mass destruction then a land invasion does generally.
I don't think ISIS would surrender to do any number of air strikes, but they have actual on the ground opponents too. With a real air campaign, akin to the kind we ran in WWII, it is likely we could do enough damage for the Kurds and Assad to win.
The problem with this scenario is that Obama is at least as opposed to the Kurds and Assad as he is ISIS...
The point of war is to make your opponent agree to your terms by inflicting enough pain to make your terms comparability palatable.
It turns out of course that on the issues that normally lead to a war that the sides are heavily invested and willing to sacrifice a significant portion of their collective wealth and lives...and air power does a poorer job of mass destruction then a land invasion does generally.
I don't think ISIS would surrender to do any number of air strikes, but they have actual on the ground opponents too. With a real air campaign, akin to the kind we ran in WWII, it is likely we could do enough damage for the Kurds and Assad to win.
The problem with this scenario is that Obama is at least as opposed to the Kurds and Assad as he is ISIS...
Posted by: 18-1 at November 20, 2015 12:45 PM (X7E8f)
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I read somewhere recently that a Russian minister of something or other said that Obama doesn't want to wipe out ISIS because he figured that they will take out Assad and when you listen to his strategy of "degrade, contain and eventually destroy ISIS" it sorta makes sense.
Posted by: Flmomof4 at November 20, 2015 12:46 PM (sIg28)
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Obama is making sure no one sees America win anything as long as he is in Office.
Obama is helping the creation of a new Caliphate.
Enemy, he is.
Obama is helping the creation of a new Caliphate.
Enemy, he is.
Posted by: eman at November 20, 2015 12:46 PM (MQEz6)
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You know when I realized we were fucked? In the last thread, where I posted that facebook deleted a post I made and nobody commented and nobody was surprised, not even me, and I won't complain and if I did most people would say it was right, that I shouldn't have said what I said.
We are in the penultimate scene of Mars Attacks. Somebody please switch on the hokey music.
We are in the penultimate scene of Mars Attacks. Somebody please switch on the hokey music.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at November 20, 2015 12:46 PM (xuouz)
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Bonus awful stupid:
IIRC, when the aircraft return to base without hitting targets they have to dump all of their bombs into the Mediterranean.
So, billions literally dumped into the ocean.
IIRC, when the aircraft return to base without hitting targets they have to dump all of their bombs into the Mediterranean.
So, billions literally dumped into the ocean.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 20, 2015 12:47 PM (ysFo+)
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On this note, Happy Thanksgiving to all should I be in jail after wood floor guy comes and tells me tile is ruined from glue spots. Then I am flying home. xoxo
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at November 20, 2015 12:45 PM (Mopd7)
safe travels
my husband flying in
warned him to keep his eyes open
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at November 20, 2015 12:45 PM (Mopd7)
safe travels
my husband flying in
warned him to keep his eyes open
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2015 12:47 PM (qCMvj)
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The Utilitarians make tools of us, All.
Posted by: iKant at November 20, 2015 12:47 PM (DxKQL)
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I really think he wants ISIS to grow & just doesn't care.
I saw clip of Atkisson Wednesday saying that he doesn't even read national security briefs
Impeach him!
I saw clip of Atkisson Wednesday saying that he doesn't even read national security briefs
Impeach him!
Posted by: Carol at November 20, 2015 12:48 PM (sj3Ax)
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If you're suggesting we should call in air strikes on ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBS and CNN... I could vote for the President who promises to do that...
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at November 20, 2015 12:48 PM (Kucy5)
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It's as if a Cubs Manager ran the Yankees for a season.
They'd lose. And they'd lose big and often.
Doesn't matter it's the same guys, same stadium, same fans.
It's the leadership.
It's why Trump is leading in the polls and Karl Rove is gnashing his teeth.
They'd lose. And they'd lose big and often.
Doesn't matter it's the same guys, same stadium, same fans.
It's the leadership.
It's why Trump is leading in the polls and Karl Rove is gnashing his teeth.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 20, 2015 12:48 PM (Xo1Rt)
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Islamic extremists are like those dogs trained in dog fighting rings. Once they've been conditioned to be fighting animals, there is no recuperation. No rescuing them. Their mind is gone and they must be destroyed.
Posted by: Brisco_County at November 20, 2015 12:48 PM (3prOo)
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Piles of bodies tend to have a limiting effect on recruitment.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at November 20, 2015 12:48 PM (oVJmc)
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Well, we were told back in 2013 that the strategy was "just muscular enough to not be mocked."
Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2015 12:48 PM (NOIQH)
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Hmmm, what British cocktail shall we drink for the podcast later? It is TGIF, after all. Another CookeCast.
Hmmm, what British cocktail shall we drink for the podcast later? It is TGIF, after all. Another CookeCast.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2015 12:48 PM (qCMvj)
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So, Mr. Ace came home.
After all this comedy he's been playing with his Twitter whore.
And you just let him back in your bed.
Where is your pride?
After all this comedy he's been playing with his Twitter whore.
And you just let him back in your bed.
Where is your pride?
Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2015 12:49 PM (Zs4uk)
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5:"War is total. Anything less than total is a slap fight."
I would offer that anything less is a cruelty. It drags the fighting and killing out longer than necessary.
The goal of war should be to end it as quickly as possible. It must be done thoroughly so that it doesn't have to be done again.
To do this, you must go in with everything. Overwhelming force. Not this tit for tat bullshit.
From my side of the fence, I think Sherman was a bastard. But he had the right of it in spite of my prejudices.
The term innocent is overused. If you are the jihadi that tries to blow people up, your ass deserves to eat a JDAM. If you are the guy that makes the bomb, your ass deserves to eat a JDAM. If you (knowingly) make the sandwich that feeds the guy that makes the bomb, your ass deserves the JDAM.
Yes, some actual innocents will likely die. But that is war. War is hell. And war...war never changes.
I would offer that anything less is a cruelty. It drags the fighting and killing out longer than necessary.
The goal of war should be to end it as quickly as possible. It must be done thoroughly so that it doesn't have to be done again.
To do this, you must go in with everything. Overwhelming force. Not this tit for tat bullshit.
From my side of the fence, I think Sherman was a bastard. But he had the right of it in spite of my prejudices.
The term innocent is overused. If you are the jihadi that tries to blow people up, your ass deserves to eat a JDAM. If you are the guy that makes the bomb, your ass deserves to eat a JDAM. If you (knowingly) make the sandwich that feeds the guy that makes the bomb, your ass deserves the JDAM.
Yes, some actual innocents will likely die. But that is war. War is hell. And war...war never changes.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 20, 2015 12:50 PM (UPYPp)
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Turtle and Private Ryan will never give Obama an ounce of trouble, nevermind impeach his ass.
Posted by: eman at November 20, 2015 12:50 PM (MQEz6)
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It's not the terrorist's fault. We are the ones pumping carbon into the atmosphere, after all.
Posted by: Komissar Vladimir at November 20, 2015 12:50 PM (voUxQ)
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Oh, and Putin has no ROE. He bombs the hell out of their oil tankers, etc, in spite of seeing cars of human shields. Go, Putin! Stopping the source of commerce for isis. Brilliant!
Also, of course, the Paris terrorists were on a US watch list. Great for all of those dead and maimed, right?
Instead of a watch list let's just arrest and torture them (if I were Pres).
Oh! I am in a hurry due to home chaos and flying, but I hope to read, soon, of a photo contest of the bare-arsed terrorist being dragged through broken glass in St. Denis. I loved that photo. It made me happy. It would have only been more perfect if they were dragging his bare arse through the broken glass vs his bare feets. xoxo
Also, of course, the Paris terrorists were on a US watch list. Great for all of those dead and maimed, right?
Instead of a watch list let's just arrest and torture them (if I were Pres).
Oh! I am in a hurry due to home chaos and flying, but I hope to read, soon, of a photo contest of the bare-arsed terrorist being dragged through broken glass in St. Denis. I loved that photo. It made me happy. It would have only been more perfect if they were dragging his bare arse through the broken glass vs his bare feets. xoxo
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at November 20, 2015 12:50 PM (Mopd7)
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And, I think it is important to point out, that it was just a momentary lapse of judgement that caused the normally peaceful muslims to forget that they are representatives of the religion of peace, so it is also important for us to keep in mind that because of this unfortunate lapse, the actions of these otherwise peaceful muslims in murdering 23 people can in no way be construed as representing Islam.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at November 20, 2015 12:50 PM (BZAd3)
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Like many, I've wondered whether Obama is (A) a foolish incompetent or (B) a purposeful underminer of All Things American.
Lately I see him as Ash -- the robot masquerading as a human in Alien -- who's real mission is to protect the Infant Monster until it's too late.
Lately I see him as Ash -- the robot masquerading as a human in Alien -- who's real mission is to protect the Infant Monster until it's too late.
Posted by: Ignoramus at November 20, 2015 12:50 PM (r1fLd)
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If you're suggesting we should call in air strikes on ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBS and CNN... I could vote for the President who promises to do that...
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at November 20, 2015 12:48 PM (Kucy5)/i]
on that note
Here's THREE Simple Things You Can Do Every Day To Help DISMANTLE The Mainstream Media!!
http://bit.ly/1MsemBa
we've discussed this hear, but worth repeating
soopermexican
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at November 20, 2015 12:48 PM (Kucy5)/i]
on that note
Here's THREE Simple Things You Can Do Every Day To Help DISMANTLE The Mainstream Media!!
http://bit.ly/1MsemBa
we've discussed this hear, but worth repeating
soopermexican
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2015 12:50 PM (qCMvj)
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It's a lot like illegal immigration and the annoyed elitist claims that the problem just can't be solved except through amnesty.
___
So one of my lesser known successes was dealing with Swiss illegals. In fact, I dealt with the issue so well that tribe is still there 2000 years later.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helvetii
Now...later Roman figures, well, they adopted Obama's attitude on immigration and well, let's just point out there is a reason that northern Italy is called Lombardy and not Romany....
___
So one of my lesser known successes was dealing with Swiss illegals. In fact, I dealt with the issue so well that tribe is still there 2000 years later.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helvetii
Now...later Roman figures, well, they adopted Obama's attitude on immigration and well, let's just point out there is a reason that northern Italy is called Lombardy and not Romany....
Posted by: Julius Caeser at November 20, 2015 12:51 PM (X7E8f)
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I read yesterday that Obama had refused to bomb oil tankers ISIS was using to move oil from the fields. He eventually agreed but insisted on giving the drivers a warning before bombing the tankers.
What. The. Fuck?
What. The. Fuck?
Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2015 12:51 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 20, 2015 12:51 PM (jJRIy)
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It's only the Exalted People who actually count in this world, and who are actually capable of making moral decisions. The Exalted People -- the ones on TV, largely -- are a sort of breed apart. They are the only people capable of making free choices. This is of course hysterically condescending and elitist, but worse than that, this attitude that ISIS terrorist soldiers are just like the "bitter clingers" of Pennsylvania, clinging to their xenophobia, guns, and religion, and thus are to be pitied and led into enlightenment, is what permits ISIS' reign of terror.
Every word of that. Every single one.
Every word of that. Every single one.
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at November 20, 2015 12:51 PM (mf5HN)
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OH, I think I owe Carol an apology also. She got caught in the cross fire of me spouting off the other day at FenelonSpoke.
Carol; I've apologized to FenelonSpoke on the previous thread and so I'm also apologizing to you. Nothing you said or did deserved or inspired any of what I said.
Sorry if you got splashed but you were not supposed to and I shouldn't have been acting the way I acted anyway.
Carol; I've apologized to FenelonSpoke on the previous thread and so I'm also apologizing to you. Nothing you said or did deserved or inspired any of what I said.
Sorry if you got splashed but you were not supposed to and I shouldn't have been acting the way I acted anyway.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 20, 2015 12:52 PM (Xo1Rt)
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Sky News Newsdesk Breaking
Investigation finds U.S. airstrike on I.S. checkpoint in March in Iraq "likely" resulted in deaths of four civilians - possibly one child
Sky News Newsdesk Breaking
Investigation finds U.S. airstrike on I.S. checkpoint in March in Iraq "likely" resulted in deaths of four civilians - possibly one child
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 20, 2015 12:52 PM (qCMvj)
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With regard to Obama authorizing air strikes only on known terrorist leaders, reflect that Obama's overwhelming personality trait is extreme narcissism.
There isn't a lot of personal glory, if any, in knocking off a dozen anonymous low level mujahid schlubs with a JDAM, and the news media often won't bother to cover such strikes.
But when a marquee Big Name in the jihadi world gets killed, that is a Big Thing, there is media coverage of the daring feat, and Obama is able to briefly bask in the public attention and adoration for which he has an absolutely insatiable craving.
There isn't a lot of personal glory, if any, in knocking off a dozen anonymous low level mujahid schlubs with a JDAM, and the news media often won't bother to cover such strikes.
But when a marquee Big Name in the jihadi world gets killed, that is a Big Thing, there is media coverage of the daring feat, and Obama is able to briefly bask in the public attention and adoration for which he has an absolutely insatiable craving.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 20, 2015 12:53 PM (noWW6)
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Look, if their weapon of choice is suicide bombers and suicide Jihadi, there are No Civilians. The entire population is an Ordnance Depot or a Bimb Factory.
Decimation would be too lenient.
Decimation would be too lenient.
Posted by: Garrett at November 20, 2015 12:54 PM (DxKQL)
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I think we backed the wrong side in Kosovo though I have personal reasons to hate the filthy Shqiptar.
There were KLA and Albanian ground forces in involved in Kosovo. In Iraq the only reliable blue ground forces are being fought by our own "allies" instead of engaging ISIS.
At least one confirmed ex-vet I knew in college claims he was in Kosovo and ambushed Serbian forces. I've never heard anyone else confirm or deny that.
There were KLA and Albanian ground forces in involved in Kosovo. In Iraq the only reliable blue ground forces are being fought by our own "allies" instead of engaging ISIS.
At least one confirmed ex-vet I knew in college claims he was in Kosovo and ambushed Serbian forces. I've never heard anyone else confirm or deny that.
Posted by: bestie21 at November 20, 2015 12:54 PM (HUeC4)
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He dropped leaflets to keep from killing people who were, in all probability, willingly working for ISIS and accepting payment from ISIS. It was more important for him to put American lives at risk in an area known to contain MPADs capable of bringing down low flying combat aircraft, than it was to take out supporters of terrorists.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at November 20, 2015 12:54 PM (BZAd3)
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If you cannot lead enough to attack Muslims who want to kill innocents then you are a traitor-period.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2015 12:55 PM (No/ki)
Posted by: pookysgirl at November 20, 2015 12:55 PM (gZN4h)
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Ha! Jeb at #3.... as it goes on the campaign trail, so it goes in the comments on AOSHQ.
Posted by: Roscoe at November 20, 2015 12:55 PM (lHpdV)
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"because, well, if he didn't, we'd impeach him."
Threadwinner. Take the rest of the week off ace.
Threadwinner. Take the rest of the week off ace.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at November 20, 2015 12:55 PM (fWAjv)
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Why would he actually try to wipe out isis? They are his ally.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 20, 2015 12:55 PM (WDRA0)
Posted by: Dr. Hussein - Captain Climate, AA, BFD at November 20, 2015 12:56 PM (HgMAr)
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Just so everyone can take it as read...
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Bombs would just be patriarchal and imperialist. ISIS wants us to drop bombs and therefore we don't.
Its a great recruiting tool for ISIS when we bomb.
Bombing destroys the nascent economy and jobs, making the people bitter and angry, and encouraging desperate and violent actions.
You want bombing? Why, do you hate three year old orphans?
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Bombs would just be patriarchal and imperialist. ISIS wants us to drop bombs and therefore we don't.
Its a great recruiting tool for ISIS when we bomb.
Bombing destroys the nascent economy and jobs, making the people bitter and angry, and encouraging desperate and violent actions.
You want bombing? Why, do you hate three year old orphans?
Posted by: MTF at November 20, 2015 12:56 PM (TxJGV)
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The major job of a President is keeping Americans safe-and maintaining the borders, it it not? You know, protect us from all enemies foreign and domestic ?-He has taken no actions to do that and has facilitated the degradation of our country.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2015 12:56 PM (No/ki)
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"I read yesterday that Obama had refused to bomb oil tankers ISIS was
using to move oil from the fields. He eventually agreed but insisted on
giving the drivers a warning before bombing the tankers."
Whereas Putin's forces bomb with no warning, pour encourager les autres.
using to move oil from the fields. He eventually agreed but insisted on
giving the drivers a warning before bombing the tankers."
Whereas Putin's forces bomb with no warning, pour encourager les autres.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 20, 2015 12:57 PM (noWW6)
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He could bomb the roads between the ISIS strongholds. Look ma! No collateral damage
Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Dice at November 20, 2015 12:58 PM (wKmat)
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What really happened in the Kosovo things remains a mystery, ace.
Serbia was being punitively-bombed - the bombing of actual Serbian ops in Kosovo was, as predicted, a fiasco, and didn't stop things there (a case where an "air war cannot get it done", in fact). The panic of the idiotic admin. then in power was perfectly reflected by the jaw-dropping response of the State spokesman, Man-hands Amanpour's boyfriend (at the time) Jamie Rubin, who in response to a focused tough question about the failure of the campaign to save Kosovar lives, said "I will not answer that question, it's too polemical".
(First, no surprise, Columia-edumucated Jamie couldn't find the right word, he was looking for "tendentious", second, IMAGINE a pointed and substantive/fair question like that being asked in our current, North Korean phase ...)
Anyway, Serbia wasn't bending a bit. Then Clinton had a talk with Yeltsin. Within a day or two, Serbia folded. Very, very odd, never explained to my satisfaction.
What really happened in the Kosovo things remains a mystery, ace.
Serbia was being punitively-bombed - the bombing of actual Serbian ops in Kosovo was, as predicted, a fiasco, and didn't stop things there (a case where an "air war cannot get it done", in fact). The panic of the idiotic admin. then in power was perfectly reflected by the jaw-dropping response of the State spokesman, Man-hands Amanpour's boyfriend (at the time) Jamie Rubin, who in response to a focused tough question about the failure of the campaign to save Kosovar lives, said "I will not answer that question, it's too polemical".
(First, no surprise, Columia-edumucated Jamie couldn't find the right word, he was looking for "tendentious", second, IMAGINE a pointed and substantive/fair question like that being asked in our current, North Korean phase ...)
Anyway, Serbia wasn't bending a bit. Then Clinton had a talk with Yeltsin. Within a day or two, Serbia folded. Very, very odd, never explained to my satisfaction.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 20, 2015 12:58 PM (QDnY+)
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There was an article I read recently (maybe Politico) that pitied the ISIS fighters because they merely joined out of economic need and didn't subscribe to the strict Islamist stance that ISIS took.
Obama takes this same view, he sees the vast majority of ISIS fighters as non extremists who are merely trying to provide for their family, and it's why he refuses to kill them.
Obama takes this same view, he sees the vast majority of ISIS fighters as non extremists who are merely trying to provide for their family, and it's why he refuses to kill them.
Posted by: Ryan at November 20, 2015 12:58 PM (NQeWt)
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Obama can't order the sinking of an oil tanker. Look at the ecological disaster that would be with all that oil spilled into the environment.
Posted by: THDeering at November 20, 2015 12:58 PM (ObvvK)
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Can a man be awarded more than one Nobel Peace Prize? Because Barry Obama has completely changed how the world views America and treats Americans! It's uncanny!
Thank you, Mr. Obama!
Thank you, Mr. Obama!
Posted by: Fritz at November 20, 2015 12:59 PM (UzPAd)
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@42...I have no pity, since 9/11, for anyone aka the civilians. They killed innocents. It is the price of war if you start it (see: Nagasaki and Hiroshima).
In the link I read that France reported one of their strikes this week was called off as Barry's minions reported a freaking garden nearby.
Turn the entire area into glass, boys.
In the link I read that France reported one of their strikes this week was called off as Barry's minions reported a freaking garden nearby.
Turn the entire area into glass, boys.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at November 20, 2015 12:59 PM (Mopd7)
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What the terrorists really need is a false GPS signal device. That way, when they are in Iraq, the device will say they are in Syria, and thus the airstrikes will be refused.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 20, 2015 12:59 PM (WDRA0)
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Ace, you sure do impute a lot of high-level motivation on a lazy narcissist with daddy issues. I think he's just a fucking idiot who does shit because he's bored after jerking off to tranny porn in the oval office.
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion who longs for the web circa 1997 at November 20, 2015 01:00 PM (k9qR4)
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I'd rather bomb Texas.
Posted by: Dr. Hussein - Captain Climate, AA, BFD at November 20, 2015 01:00 PM (HgMAr)
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Bonus awful stupid:
IIRC, when the aircraft return to base without hitting targets they have to dump all of their bombs into the Mediterranean.
So, billions literally dumped into the ocean.
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That's pretty much standard procedure since WWI because of the risk of landing loaded. (In fact, it is believed that band leader Glenn Miller was killed during WWII when his transport plane strayed into a bomb dump area over the English channel and a Brit Lancaster jettisoned its bombs.) George McGovern, who if nothing else was a war hero, tells a heartbreaking story of jettisoning his bombs over Italy in Ambrose book, The Wild Blue Yonder. The waste could often times be mitigated, at least in fighter bombers, light bombers, and medium bombers, by allowing pilots to attack target of opportunity but we can't do that because we might hit a three year old orphan grandmother.
IIRC, when the aircraft return to base without hitting targets they have to dump all of their bombs into the Mediterranean.
So, billions literally dumped into the ocean.
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That's pretty much standard procedure since WWI because of the risk of landing loaded. (In fact, it is believed that band leader Glenn Miller was killed during WWII when his transport plane strayed into a bomb dump area over the English channel and a Brit Lancaster jettisoned its bombs.) George McGovern, who if nothing else was a war hero, tells a heartbreaking story of jettisoning his bombs over Italy in Ambrose book, The Wild Blue Yonder. The waste could often times be mitigated, at least in fighter bombers, light bombers, and medium bombers, by allowing pilots to attack target of opportunity but we can't do that because we might hit a three year old orphan grandmother.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 20, 2015 01:00 PM (IWLe1)
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The main job of the government and one of the few spelled out there and in most of our elected Congressmen is to protect the nation from it's enemies.
Unfortunately they've gotten mixed up on who those enemies are.
Whether by design or by accident the effect is the same.
Unfortunately they've gotten mixed up on who those enemies are.
Whether by design or by accident the effect is the same.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 20, 2015 01:01 PM (Xo1Rt)
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errorists, he's told us so many times, are merely misled and misinformed
creatures who just need some good economic opportunities
Ah, the old Marxist warble that people's actions result from economic forces, the old historical materialism saw.
Sometimes people just do things because they believe in them. It's not necessarily a matter of dollars and cents. Religious and political martyrs (e.g., kamikaze pilots) come to mind in this connection.
Why do people not guffaw when he says stupid crap like that? Osama bin Laden was worth $300 million. Did he need economic opportunities?
creatures who just need some good economic opportunities
Ah, the old Marxist warble that people's actions result from economic forces, the old historical materialism saw.
Sometimes people just do things because they believe in them. It's not necessarily a matter of dollars and cents. Religious and political martyrs (e.g., kamikaze pilots) come to mind in this connection.
Why do people not guffaw when he says stupid crap like that? Osama bin Laden was worth $300 million. Did he need economic opportunities?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2015 01:02 PM (oKE6c)
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He only is willing to kill leaders, because, well, if he didn't, we'd impeach him.
Yeah, whatever.
*snort*
Yeah, whatever.
*snort*
Posted by: The GOPe at November 20, 2015 01:02 PM (zoehZ)
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Just enough not be mocked.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 20, 2015 01:02 PM (rwI+c)
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He's so worried about collateral damage angering the muslim world and helping terrorist recruitment, that he's deliberately doing as little as possible while still claiming to fight terrorism. He doesn't seem to get that civilian deaths can't be avoided, even in a limited smart bombing campaign. All it takes is one incident like bombing the Doctors Without Borders for the anti-American crowd to call foul. Not to mention terrorists bombing their own people and framing it on us. This half-measure, namby pamby BS makes victory impossible, but Obama isn't interested in victory. He is an evil man.
Posted by: gewa76 at November 20, 2015 01:03 PM (S9rS1)
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See? Barry plan is working. His plan to not attack ISIS and not defend the country
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 20, 2015 01:03 PM (493sH)
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So what would he do differently, if, you know.....
Posted by: Mega at November 20, 2015 01:03 PM (hHFOx)
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Awesome Mom Jeans Photo-Shop!
Posted by: Garrett at November 20, 2015 01:03 PM (DxKQL)
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@37
Holy shit, I got to reading the link.
Ancient history is fascinating. I wish I had taken it in college.
Holy shit, I got to reading the link.
Ancient history is fascinating. I wish I had taken it in college.
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 20, 2015 01:03 PM (jJRIy)
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If you're not strafing, it's not an airwar.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 20, 2015 01:03 PM (rwI+c)
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This will continue until the Press has had enough.
Posted by: dc at November 20, 2015 01:03 PM (oY/R7)
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so, how would O behave if he were muslim?
Posted by: ploome at November 20, 2015 01:04 PM (YMH9o)
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Ben Stein yesterday, in a (oddly) widely publicized comment about Obama strongly suggested that it is completely within the realm of possibility that Obama hates America and that is what is motivating him.
Of course many morons have believed that for years, but it borders on shocking that the MFM would allow a comment this critical of the Healer of Planets to make it into widespread distribution.
Of course many morons have believed that for years, but it borders on shocking that the MFM would allow a comment this critical of the Healer of Planets to make it into widespread distribution.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at November 20, 2015 01:04 PM (BZAd3)
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The other interesting thing about U.S. air strikes is that the classic old metal is being relied upon to perform such. Including the A-10 Warthog, which the Obama administration claims is obsolete, and can be easily replaced in its role by the all-singing all-dancing F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.
The Marines are now claiming that their F-35B models are combat capable.
So, ummmmmm, why aren't they being flown on what are frankly fish in a barrel bombing missions? There are no jihadi fighters jets flying. The jihadis do not have a modern integrated air defense network. One would think this would be a perfect venue to show off the chops of the supposedly impressive F-35. Yet, nothing.
It's difficult to avoid the conclusion that someone is worried about sending this jet into the combat for which it's claimed to be ready.
The Marines are now claiming that their F-35B models are combat capable.
So, ummmmmm, why aren't they being flown on what are frankly fish in a barrel bombing missions? There are no jihadi fighters jets flying. The jihadis do not have a modern integrated air defense network. One would think this would be a perfect venue to show off the chops of the supposedly impressive F-35. Yet, nothing.
It's difficult to avoid the conclusion that someone is worried about sending this jet into the combat for which it's claimed to be ready.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 20, 2015 01:04 PM (noWW6)
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Soldiers, regardless of motivation, are all stupid aggressive animals that are yoked to the cause of a more enlightened leader. That is why it is critical that the tools of violence are held only by nation-states, and particularly those nation-states that are under the rule of enlightened members of a trans-national elite. ISIS/ISIL are the local equivalent of gun nut redneck cis-het males from some Jesusland trailer park, and no sane enlightened person thinks they should be allowed to own weapons either.
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at November 20, 2015 01:05 PM (0NpDC)
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ace and others, you may think you're pissed and pessimistic, but let me take you further down that path.
This fastidious targetting procedure is not new or distinctive to this "administration" - though it may have become worse, hard to say.
In Iraq and Afghanistan long before anyone outside of Chicago had heard of the ridiculous affirmative action intern now our "president" (i.e., two years before he was elected, and before), an absurd procedure was already in place for dropping ordnance. Outside of a hot firefight away from any civilian areas (rare), one had to get permission from somehigher command level JAG (lawyer) or group involving a JAG to drop a bomb on a structure if the possibility existedof civilians present.
I don't have the precise details right, but I have the general gist correct here (I know from personal exposure to this at the time).
The US and a few of its key allies, and Israel, are more deliberately discriminate (and successfully so) than any armed forces in history. The opponents in all these conflicts are utterly, systematically, consciously, deliberately in violation of every important aspect and stricture of all mankind's attempts to limit civilian suffering in war (Geneva Conventions, laws of land warfare, etc.).
ace and others, you may think you're pissed and pessimistic, but let me take you further down that path.
This fastidious targetting procedure is not new or distinctive to this "administration" - though it may have become worse, hard to say.
In Iraq and Afghanistan long before anyone outside of Chicago had heard of the ridiculous affirmative action intern now our "president" (i.e., two years before he was elected, and before), an absurd procedure was already in place for dropping ordnance. Outside of a hot firefight away from any civilian areas (rare), one had to get permission from somehigher command level JAG (lawyer) or group involving a JAG to drop a bomb on a structure if the possibility existedof civilians present.
I don't have the precise details right, but I have the general gist correct here (I know from personal exposure to this at the time).
The US and a few of its key allies, and Israel, are more deliberately discriminate (and successfully so) than any armed forces in history. The opponents in all these conflicts are utterly, systematically, consciously, deliberately in violation of every important aspect and stricture of all mankind's attempts to limit civilian suffering in war (Geneva Conventions, laws of land warfare, etc.).
Posted by: rhomboid at November 20, 2015 01:05 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Read "The History of the 2nd Amendment" at November 20, 2015 01:05 PM (TEi09)
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Yes, some actual innocents will likely die. But that is war. War is hell. And war...war never changes.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 20, 2015 12:50 PM (UPYPp)
This is progress. I'm glad to see someone jumping on board with the concept that war should be a terrible thing that people want to avoid at all costs.
However, this is two on the scale of ten.
I advocate 6th century war, with mass civilian deaths, then a program of social statements that drive home the point that one side has lost and the other won.
The victors should rape (that is actual rape-rape) the loser's women. This performs three vital functions:
It seeds a new generation in the conquered area of people who look like and can elicit more sympathy from the winners.
It drives home the point to the females of what attributes they should be looking for in mates, reinforcing the primal urges to find a protector.
It leaves a lasting impression on the males left alive that any further aggression will be met with the same brutality.
And although the history of the world has been shaped for thousand of years by the enslavement of those on the losing end of war, a more benevolent form (but enslavement no less) should follow any military action.
War isn't a game for weak liberals who want to play it only between certain teams while leaving the population out of the action. That doesn't bring the horrors of war home.
If war is going to be avoided, it has to be something people find terrifying.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 20, 2015 12:50 PM (UPYPp)
This is progress. I'm glad to see someone jumping on board with the concept that war should be a terrible thing that people want to avoid at all costs.
However, this is two on the scale of ten.
I advocate 6th century war, with mass civilian deaths, then a program of social statements that drive home the point that one side has lost and the other won.
The victors should rape (that is actual rape-rape) the loser's women. This performs three vital functions:
It seeds a new generation in the conquered area of people who look like and can elicit more sympathy from the winners.
It drives home the point to the females of what attributes they should be looking for in mates, reinforcing the primal urges to find a protector.
It leaves a lasting impression on the males left alive that any further aggression will be met with the same brutality.
And although the history of the world has been shaped for thousand of years by the enslavement of those on the losing end of war, a more benevolent form (but enslavement no less) should follow any military action.
War isn't a game for weak liberals who want to play it only between certain teams while leaving the population out of the action. That doesn't bring the horrors of war home.
If war is going to be avoided, it has to be something people find terrifying.
Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2015 01:06 PM (Zs4uk)
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IIRC, when the aircraft return to base without hitting targets they have to dump all of their bombs into the Mediterranean.
So, billions literally dumped into the ocean.
What? They couldn't find a mosque on their way back?
So, billions literally dumped into the ocean.
What? They couldn't find a mosque on their way back?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2015 01:06 PM (oKE6c)
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Airpower won South Vietnam before Congress lost it back...
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at November 20, 2015 01:06 PM (oqDpn)
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Remember how ( was it a couple years ago?) Kerry said they would have a response "just muscular enough not to me mocked"?
Kabuki face-saving theatre is all their anti Jihadi efgorts.
Like the rich miser who drops a penny in the poor box just to show that he cares.
Kabuki face-saving theatre is all their anti Jihadi efgorts.
Like the rich miser who drops a penny in the poor box just to show that he cares.
Posted by: @votermom at November 20, 2015 01:07 PM (cbfNE)
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Bambi's got no idea how to conduct a war, or even a Potemkin war. Squeezing banks, that's what he knows.
Posted by: mojo at November 20, 2015 01:07 PM (OmBeX)
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There's isn't any fault or crime that can't be forgiven in the Left if it's done in the name of Leftism.
Sounds mightily like a certain religion ...
Sounds mightily like a certain religion ...
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 20, 2015 01:07 PM (ysFo+)
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" It's as if a Cubs Manager ran the Yankees for a season.
They'd lose. And they'd lose big and often.
Doesn't matter it's the same guys, same stadium, same fans.
It's the leadership."
You appear to be unaware that Cubs manager Joe Maddon recently won his third manager of the year award.
They'd lose. And they'd lose big and often.
Doesn't matter it's the same guys, same stadium, same fans.
It's the leadership."
You appear to be unaware that Cubs manager Joe Maddon recently won his third manager of the year award.
Posted by: boniface ballers at November 20, 2015 01:07 PM (m/Gc2)
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One would think this would be a perfect venue to show off the chops of the supposedly impressive F-35. Yet, nothing.
It's difficult to avoid the conclusion that someone is worried about sending this jet into the combat for which it's claimed to be ready.
One F-35 - $135 Million
One Jihadi RPG - $Buck Thirty
Splashed F-35 - Priceless
It's difficult to avoid the conclusion that someone is worried about sending this jet into the combat for which it's claimed to be ready.
One F-35 - $135 Million
One Jihadi RPG - $Buck Thirty
Splashed F-35 - Priceless
Posted by: rickb223 at November 20, 2015 01:07 PM (cN1tG)
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ISIS/ISIL are the local equivalent of gun nut
redneck cis-het males from some Jesusland trailer park, and no sane
enlightened person thinks they should be allowed to own weapons either.
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at November 20, 2015 01:05 PM (0NpDC)
Nice try, everyone knows Mary's nic and that's not it. Out you impostor. What have you done to our dear Mary?
redneck cis-het males from some Jesusland trailer park, and no sane
enlightened person thinks they should be allowed to own weapons either.
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at November 20, 2015 01:05 PM (0NpDC)
Nice try, everyone knows Mary's nic and that's not it. Out you impostor. What have you done to our dear Mary?
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 20, 2015 01:08 PM (jJRIy)
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Obama would never do anything that might be perceived as helping America "win." America doesn't deserve to win. It deserves to be humbled, and that's his goal.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 20, 2015 01:08 PM (8ZskC)
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Even tho a lezbo, do you think Sally Kohn would have her way with Ace if she could?!!!
Even tho a lezbo, do you think Sally Kohn would have her way with Ace if she could?!!!
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at November 20, 2015 01:08 PM (iQIUe)
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Ah, the old Marxist warble that people's actions result from economic forces, the old historical materialism saw.
Sometimes people just do things because they believe in them. It's not necessarily a matter of dollars and cents. Religious and political martyrs (e.g., kamikaze pilots) come to mind in this connection.
Why do people not guffaw when he says stupid crap like that? Osama bin Laden was worth $300 million. Did he need economic opportunities?
And if it's all about poverty, why is the global terrorism epidemic almost exclusively contained to the Muslim world? There are hundreds of millions of people who are desparately poor in India, SE Asia, S America...
Nobody ever talks about having to fight the scourge of Catholic, Hindi or Buddhist terrorism.
Sometimes people just do things because they believe in them. It's not necessarily a matter of dollars and cents. Religious and political martyrs (e.g., kamikaze pilots) come to mind in this connection.
Why do people not guffaw when he says stupid crap like that? Osama bin Laden was worth $300 million. Did he need economic opportunities?
And if it's all about poverty, why is the global terrorism epidemic almost exclusively contained to the Muslim world? There are hundreds of millions of people who are desparately poor in India, SE Asia, S America...
Nobody ever talks about having to fight the scourge of Catholic, Hindi or Buddhist terrorism.
Posted by: gewa76 at November 20, 2015 01:09 PM (S9rS1)
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>>You appear to be unaware that Cubs manager Joe Maddon recently won his third manager of the year award.
And he lost. To the Mets. Again.
And he lost. To the Mets. Again.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2015 01:09 PM (/tuJf)
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Posted by: torquewrench at November 20, 2015 01:04 PM (noWW6)
It's toobig expensive to fail.
Better keep it safe back at the base.
It's too
Better keep it safe back at the base.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 20, 2015 01:09 PM (Xo1Rt)
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Seems to me that BHO is more willing to have American citizens killed as collateral damage than ISIS enablers.
And more willing to offend the American public than the Arab street.
"We can absorb these attacks". (Paraphrase)
And more willing to offend the American public than the Arab street.
"We can absorb these attacks". (Paraphrase)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at November 20, 2015 01:09 PM (NeFrd)
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"Obama will go down in history as one of the worst, most divisive, most shallow, most foolish, most immature presidents. As a historian, I am hard pressed to think of a worse president than Obama."
-Craig Shirley, Presidential Historian
"Obama will go down in history as one of the worst, most divisive, most shallow, most foolish, most immature presidents. As a historian, I am hard pressed to think of a worse president than Obama."
-Craig Shirley, Presidential Historian
Posted by: Doctor Fish at November 20, 2015 01:09 PM (OiFtZ)
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"Terrorists, he's told us so many times, are merely misled and
misinformed creatures who just need some good economic opportunities"
Of course. That's why surgeons and engineers turn jihadi. Tired of those low wages.
misinformed creatures who just need some good economic opportunities"
Of course. That's why surgeons and engineers turn jihadi. Tired of those low wages.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 20, 2015 01:09 PM (noWW6)
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Obama is closed-minded. He alone gets to determine what is a terrorist group or not. He alone gets to determine what intelligence he will read or not. He alone gets to determine what is a legitimate target or not.
If he sounds just like the current student protestors in the combination of mule-headed ignorance and narcissistic arrogance, then you are hearing correctly.
If he sounds just like the current student protestors in the combination of mule-headed ignorance and narcissistic arrogance, then you are hearing correctly.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Bury the Hatchet and Other Weapons at the Outrage Outlet! at November 20, 2015 01:10 PM (hLRSq)
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"Vulgar Marxism".
As opposed to Hoity Toity Marxism, where you hold your pinky out as you toast the necessary death of millions?
As opposed to Hoity Toity Marxism, where you hold your pinky out as you toast the necessary death of millions?
Posted by: West at November 20, 2015 01:10 PM (1Rgee)
Posted by: ace at November 20, 2015 01:10 PM (dciA+)
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torque, on the F-35, my single-data-point intel analysis now has a second data point (same source). An F-18 driver (USMC) who pretty much savaged the F-35 and gave amazing anecdotes about his squadron buddies' views on same a year ago now sings a different tune. (both times talked with him at a rifle match)
Odd. His comments now sound like the generic blather propaganda one hears (keeping our technological edge, etc.), and his position that the F-18 as it continues to evolve was adequate for USMC needs is gone.
By chance a few days later I talked with a senior Marine NCO in aviation who echoed a lot of the pilot's views. Odd. Might be real, might be concession to the reality that they're stuck with the F-35. Neither one responded much when I gently inquired about the numbers problem, and the US global commitments that meant we cannot settle for much smaller numbers as can our allies and even most of our adversaries.
torque, on the F-35, my single-data-point intel analysis now has a second data point (same source). An F-18 driver (USMC) who pretty much savaged the F-35 and gave amazing anecdotes about his squadron buddies' views on same a year ago now sings a different tune. (both times talked with him at a rifle match)
Odd. His comments now sound like the generic blather propaganda one hears (keeping our technological edge, etc.), and his position that the F-18 as it continues to evolve was adequate for USMC needs is gone.
By chance a few days later I talked with a senior Marine NCO in aviation who echoed a lot of the pilot's views. Odd. Might be real, might be concession to the reality that they're stuck with the F-35. Neither one responded much when I gently inquired about the numbers problem, and the US global commitments that meant we cannot settle for much smaller numbers as can our allies and even most of our adversaries.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 20, 2015 01:11 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Doctor Fish at November 20, 2015 01:11 PM (OiFtZ)
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And he lost. To the Mets. Again.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2015 01:09 PM (/tuJf)
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Shaddup, she said.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2015 01:09 PM (/tuJf)
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Shaddup, she said.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at November 20, 2015 01:11 PM (dFi94)
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"Obama will go down in history as one of the worst, most divisive, most shallow, most foolish, most immature presidents. As a historian, I am hard pressed to think of a worse president than Obama."
-Craig Shirley, Presidential Historian
Posted by: Doctor Fish at November 20, 2015 01:09 PM (OiFtZ)
I think he passed Jimmah as the worst a long time ago.
-Craig Shirley, Presidential Historian
Posted by: Doctor Fish at November 20, 2015 01:09 PM (OiFtZ)
I think he passed Jimmah as the worst a long time ago.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 20, 2015 01:11 PM (493sH)
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Nobody ever talks about having to fight the scourge of Catholic, Hindi or Buddhist terrorism.
Posted by: gewa76 at November 20, 2015 01:09 PM (S9rS1)
Hey, don't leave us out.
Posted by: gewa76 at November 20, 2015 01:09 PM (S9rS1)
Hey, don't leave us out.
Posted by: The Amish at November 20, 2015 01:12 PM (jJRIy)
108
Rush fully on the Trump band wagon. Good.
Posted by: Thin Veneer Of Civility Says Screw The GOP at November 20, 2015 12:54 PM (XzRw1)
Yea, the Trump gotcha on registering Muzzie will probably get Trump a couple more points.
Posted by: Thin Veneer Of Civility Says Screw The GOP at November 20, 2015 12:54 PM (XzRw1)
Yea, the Trump gotcha on registering Muzzie will probably get Trump a couple more points.
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at November 20, 2015 01:12 PM (QPdNE)
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Rush always used to say... and maybe still does, I don't know... that the true genius of Obama is to be in the middle of all this destruction of how America operates, both foreign and domestic, and still makes it appear he's a victim of the circumstances.
Gosh darnit, he shore would like to do something about all those terrorists, except you Republicans *spit* won't let him!
Gosh darnit, he shore would like to do something about all those terrorists, except you Republicans *spit* won't let him!
Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2015 01:12 PM (TOk1P)
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To this clown, the average mohammedan civilian is worth more than any member of western civilization. That is why he warns them of attacks, and doesn't provide intel on potential terror attacks.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 20, 2015 01:12 PM (WDRA0)
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Even tho a lezbo, do you think Sally Kohn would have her way with Ace if she could?!!!
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at November 20, 2015 01:08 PM (iQIUe)
I dunno, depends on whether she is into fur or not.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at November 20, 2015 01:08 PM (iQIUe)
I dunno, depends on whether she is into fur or not.
Posted by: West at November 20, 2015 01:13 PM (1Rgee)
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The victors should rape (that is actual rape-rape) the loser's women.
Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2015 01:06 PM (Zs4uk)
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That's sick.
Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2015 01:06 PM (Zs4uk)
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That's sick.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at November 20, 2015 01:13 PM (dFi94)
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Sharyl Attkisson said that her inside sources say that Obama literally refuses to hear or read intel briefings about Islamic terrorists
its on pj media
its on pj media
Posted by: @votermom at November 20, 2015 01:13 PM (cbfNE)
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"The Exalted People -- the ones on TV, largely -- are a sort of breed apart."
Kind of like the Eloi.
Kind of like the Eloi.
Posted by: Lincoln Churchill at November 20, 2015 01:13 PM (PYvw5)
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Ace when voiced this theory on the podcast weeks ago, I was struck at how right you probably were without any hard data to back up your claim.
It just made instinctual sense, and matched what little we knew.
But now after the whole oil tankers bombed for the first time deal, you were proven 100% correct.
Obama is an idiot.
It just made instinctual sense, and matched what little we knew.
But now after the whole oil tankers bombed for the first time deal, you were proven 100% correct.
Obama is an idiot.
Posted by: Harun at November 20, 2015 01:13 PM (UBBWX)
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30 5
I would offer that anything less is a cruelty. It drags the fighting and killing out longer than necessary.
The goal of war should be to end it as quickly as possible. It must be done thoroughly so that it doesn't have to be done again.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 20, 2015 12:50 PM (UPYPp)
This is why in the UN era there are never any decisive wars. All the "peace talks" and "negotiations" accomplish is never-ending low-level violence. Oh well, I suppose it provides guaranteed employment for diplomats and their staffs.
I would offer that anything less is a cruelty. It drags the fighting and killing out longer than necessary.
The goal of war should be to end it as quickly as possible. It must be done thoroughly so that it doesn't have to be done again.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 20, 2015 12:50 PM (UPYPp)
This is why in the UN era there are never any decisive wars. All the "peace talks" and "negotiations" accomplish is never-ending low-level violence. Oh well, I suppose it provides guaranteed employment for diplomats and their staffs.
Posted by: rickl at November 20, 2015 01:13 PM (zoehZ)
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When did we declare war? I thought we declared Kinetic Military Action! like in some comic book alternate reality?
Posted by: Fritz at November 20, 2015 01:14 PM (UzPAd)
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Oh fuck you! Fuck you ALL!!!
Posted by: President Bitchy Girl at November 20, 2015 01:14 PM (YFFpo)
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I remember when Obama first "committed" do degrading and destroying ISIS, one of the first videos that I saw was of a captured American 155 artillery piece being taken out by (what looked to me to be) a 1000lb smart bomb. The enemy guy operating the camera was less than 100 yards away from the gun. He got dusty - that's all. The bomb probably wasn't even armed. Many of the other videos showed strikes on warehouses that basically just punched holes in the roofs. Anybody who has ever been around a 1000 or even a 750 lb bomb knows what kind of damage they do. These weapons had obviously be tricked to be low yield probably to avoid killing the enemy.
That was bullshit. Those pilots could have died even by mechanical failure and if they had been captured they would have been brutalized.
That was bullshit. Those pilots could have died even by mechanical failure and if they had been captured they would have been brutalized.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at November 20, 2015 01:14 PM (BZAd3)
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Doctoring intelligence analysis. Refusing to launch air strikes. Allowing a dictator to cross the red lines he drew. Being a fast-talking, lying pussy.
One of those or a combination of all of them has got to be an act worthy of impeachment.
One of those or a combination of all of them has got to be an act worthy of impeachment.
Posted by: Hank at November 20, 2015 01:15 PM (IkSOf)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 20, 2015 01:15 PM (ysFo+)
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Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at November 20, 2015 01:13 PM (dFi94)
It's Jwest Grammie. Don't pay him no mind.
He goes all troll like now an again. We just ignore him and keep him away from the children and the shotguns.
It's Jwest Grammie. Don't pay him no mind.
He goes all troll like now an again. We just ignore him and keep him away from the children and the shotguns.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 20, 2015 01:16 PM (Xo1Rt)
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I still would like to know when Nationalism became a shady thing. I don't recall having any discussions about it. It's like when the Arsenal of Freedom became the Military-Industrial Complex.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 20, 2015 01:16 PM (rwI+c)
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Air power can't win.
Posted by: The guy who moved from Hiroshima to Nagasaki at November 20, 2015 01:16 PM (FkBIv)
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"an absurd procedure was already in place for dropping ordnance. Outside
of a hot firefight away from any civilian areas (rare), one had to get
permission from somehigher command level JAG (lawyer) or group involving
a JAG to drop a bomb on a structure if the possibility existedof
civilians present."
David Petraeus and Stan McChrystal deserve a considerable share of the blame for the imposition of these ridiculous ROEs.
Under McChrystal's command in Afghanistan, troops were not allowed to take "civilians" under fire even if it was visibly obvious and clearly demonstrated that the "civilians" were engaging in active resupply and support of insurgent fighters in contact.
Geneva accords say that if someone is personally taking a hand in hostilities, even if they're not themselves handling a weapon, they're a combatant and may be treated as a combatant is. So the Petraeus/McChrystal rules are far more stringent than Geneva demands.
of a hot firefight away from any civilian areas (rare), one had to get
permission from somehigher command level JAG (lawyer) or group involving
a JAG to drop a bomb on a structure if the possibility existedof
civilians present."
David Petraeus and Stan McChrystal deserve a considerable share of the blame for the imposition of these ridiculous ROEs.
Under McChrystal's command in Afghanistan, troops were not allowed to take "civilians" under fire even if it was visibly obvious and clearly demonstrated that the "civilians" were engaging in active resupply and support of insurgent fighters in contact.
Geneva accords say that if someone is personally taking a hand in hostilities, even if they're not themselves handling a weapon, they're a combatant and may be treated as a combatant is. So the Petraeus/McChrystal rules are far more stringent than Geneva demands.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 20, 2015 01:16 PM (noWW6)
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Ah, the old Marxist warble that people's actions result from economic forces, the old historical materialism saw.
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I read a book once, title and author long since forgotten, that proposed that how we got into this mess is that the two major philosophical ideas of the 20th century were Marxism and Freudism, both of which denied man's free will in favor of invisible forces. So, for example, one man may sell cigarettes to another man because of hidden economic forces and the other man smokes them because he wasn't breast fed as a baby. That's why, it was argued, we need a strong, superior leader, unaffected by these forces, to tell us what to do.
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I read a book once, title and author long since forgotten, that proposed that how we got into this mess is that the two major philosophical ideas of the 20th century were Marxism and Freudism, both of which denied man's free will in favor of invisible forces. So, for example, one man may sell cigarettes to another man because of hidden economic forces and the other man smokes them because he wasn't breast fed as a baby. That's why, it was argued, we need a strong, superior leader, unaffected by these forces, to tell us what to do.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 20, 2015 01:16 PM (IWLe1)
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I posted this question over at Rantburg, and I hope that no one asks whether or not I'm attempting to be sarcastic. I am not.
If the U.S. were to begin a war against muslim terror, would you really want that war to be lead by a President Obama?
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If the U.S. were to begin a war against muslim terror, would you really want that war to be lead by a President Obama?
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Posted by: OregonGuy at November 20, 2015 01:16 PM (sHsQf)
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The Obama administration on Friday asked the U.S. Supreme Court to revive President Barack Obama's executive action to protect millions of illegal immigrants from deportation, saying Republican-led states had no legal basis to challenge it
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It's a tax!
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It's a tax!
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at November 20, 2015 01:18 PM (fWAjv)
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Like so many other "debates" in our times, the "air war can/cannot win a conflict" one is pretty silly and based on false choices.
It all depends on the specific circumstances and objectives.
And even an "air only" war involves ground elements, to be effective (intel to find, a means to paint or designate, your targets, esp. in this kind of anti-personnel qausi-"sniping" air war).
Like so many other "debates" in our times, the "air war can/cannot win a conflict" one is pretty silly and based on false choices.
It all depends on the specific circumstances and objectives.
And even an "air only" war involves ground elements, to be effective (intel to find, a means to paint or designate, your targets, esp. in this kind of anti-personnel qausi-"sniping" air war).
Posted by: rhomboid at November 20, 2015 01:18 PM (QDnY+)
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I still would like to know when Nationalism became a shady thing. I don't recall having any discussions about it. It's like when the Arsenal of Freedom became the Military-Industrial Complex.
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Eisenhower, in his farewell address, warned about the military-industrial complex. As far s I know, the was the first use of the phrase.
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Eisenhower, in his farewell address, warned about the military-industrial complex. As far s I know, the was the first use of the phrase.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 20, 2015 01:18 PM (IWLe1)
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"When did we declare war? I thought we declared Kinetic Military Action! like in some comic book alternate reality?"
The current nomenclature is "time-limited, scope-limited kinetic military activity". From the same PR flack mindset which once described an explosion in a nuclear power plant as being a "rapid disassembly".
The current nomenclature is "time-limited, scope-limited kinetic military activity". From the same PR flack mindset which once described an explosion in a nuclear power plant as being a "rapid disassembly".
Posted by: torquewrench at November 20, 2015 01:18 PM (noWW6)
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#98 Jefferson Davis?
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at November 20, 2015 01:18 PM (Kucy5)
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And to think America believed it was an abberation when Lyndon Johnson bragged about providing target selection service to Air Force for the fight over North Vietnam.
Today, Bronco Bama has assumed the LBJ role, and once again proves why liberal presidents should never be elected to protect America.
And to think America believed it was an abberation when Lyndon Johnson bragged about providing target selection service to Air Force for the fight over North Vietnam.
Today, Bronco Bama has assumed the LBJ role, and once again proves why liberal presidents should never be elected to protect America.
Posted by: Doctor Fish at November 20, 2015 01:18 PM (OiFtZ)
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>>Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2015 01:06 PM (Zs4uk)
If you win on a Tuesday, I will allow it.
If you win on a Tuesday, I will allow it.
Posted by: Marquis de Queensbury at November 20, 2015 01:19 PM (DxKQL)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at November 20, 2015 01:19 PM (iQIUe)
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75% of airstrikes cancelled, 80% of illegal deportations blocked...
its almost as if .....
yada yada yada.
75% of airstrikes cancelled, 80% of illegal deportations blocked...
its almost as if .....
yada yada yada.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 20, 2015 01:20 PM (ODxAs)
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That's sick.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at November 20, 2015 01:13 PM (dFi94)
So for thousands and thousands of years, all the earth's armies were wrong?
If it weren't for the systematic rape of conquered territories, there would have been far more genocides. The mixing of tribes is what shaped the world you see today.
That's sick.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at November 20, 2015 01:13 PM (dFi94)
So for thousands and thousands of years, all the earth's armies were wrong?
If it weren't for the systematic rape of conquered territories, there would have been far more genocides. The mixing of tribes is what shaped the world you see today.
Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2015 01:20 PM (Zs4uk)
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I'm a victim of soycumstances!
Posted by: Curly Obama at November 20, 2015 01:21 PM (FkBIv)
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This also shows one of the great weaknesses modern technology can give to a Military.
These strikes are not being chosen by Professional Military, the decision is being made by Desk Warriors in the WHITE HOUSE.... none of whom ever served at all.
Johnson tried this in Viet Nam... and it failed miserably...
Nixon, bombed the North and brought them to the Peace table... because he took the gloves off...
Wow... its almost like... this has been done before....
These strikes are not being chosen by Professional Military, the decision is being made by Desk Warriors in the WHITE HOUSE.... none of whom ever served at all.
Johnson tried this in Viet Nam... and it failed miserably...
Nixon, bombed the North and brought them to the Peace table... because he took the gloves off...
Wow... its almost like... this has been done before....
Posted by: History, yelling again! at November 20, 2015 01:21 PM (qh617)
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Trouble is, Democrat Presidents always seem to somehow get involved in one war or another and then fail to win them.
(FDR was a fluke and even he didn't win.)
(FDR was a fluke and even he didn't win.)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 20, 2015 01:21 PM (Xo1Rt)
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You can't go to war unless your intention is to totally destroy the enemy or force the enemy to surrender unconditionally.
Posted by: Hank at November 20, 2015 01:21 PM (IkSOf)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 20, 2015 01:22 PM (rwI+c)
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"Eisenhower, in his farewell address, warned about the
military-industrial complex. As far s I know, the was the first use of
the phrase."
Ike, who wrote the speech himself, imagine THAT, had referred in the early drafts to the "military-industrial-congressional complex".
Aides convinced him to remove the reference to Congress, not wishing to have a president slight a co-equal branch of government, imagine THAT.
The speech as delivered, which contains the warning about the military-industrial complex, which liberals have loved to quote ever since, also has a warning about how dependence on federal funding by scientists could lead to a dangerous capture of public policy by a "scientific-technological elite". Liberals don't like to remember or quote that part so much.
military-industrial complex. As far s I know, the was the first use of
the phrase."
Ike, who wrote the speech himself, imagine THAT, had referred in the early drafts to the "military-industrial-congressional complex".
Aides convinced him to remove the reference to Congress, not wishing to have a president slight a co-equal branch of government, imagine THAT.
The speech as delivered, which contains the warning about the military-industrial complex, which liberals have loved to quote ever since, also has a warning about how dependence on federal funding by scientists could lead to a dangerous capture of public policy by a "scientific-technological elite". Liberals don't like to remember or quote that part so much.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 20, 2015 01:22 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at November 20, 2015 01:23 PM (zEH23)
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torque I literally don't know the precise involvement of which figures created the fastidious targeting policy in Iraq and A'stan, but doubt it was limited to the two you mentioned, and in Iraq definitely pre-dated Petraeus' arrival as MNF-I commander.
torque I literally don't know the precise involvement of which figures created the fastidious targeting policy in Iraq and A'stan, but doubt it was limited to the two you mentioned, and in Iraq definitely pre-dated Petraeus' arrival as MNF-I commander.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 20, 2015 01:23 PM (QDnY+)
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Obama could sign an executive order declaring Shari'ah the new Law of the Land, and Ryan and Turtle would help him round up all the Kaffir for execution.
Posted by: Hikaru at November 20, 2015 01:23 PM (9TK8E)
Posted by: Cindy Sheehan and Medea Benjamin at November 20, 2015 01:24 PM (FkBIv)
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The rat bastard piece of shit pantywaist....
Posted by: donna at November 20, 2015 01:24 PM (/dSsq)
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The only war-time Democrat president with any balls was Truman.
Posted by: Hank at November 20, 2015 01:25 PM (IkSOf)
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Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 20, 2015 01:22 PM (rwI+c)
Details, details.
I meant he didn't win the war by his actions. In fact, some could (and have) said he was a hindrance in the later years.
Me? I was just a glimmer in my daddy's eye then so what do I really know except what others have written.
Since then, it seems to be a pattern.
Details, details.
I meant he didn't win the war by his actions. In fact, some could (and have) said he was a hindrance in the later years.
Me? I was just a glimmer in my daddy's eye then so what do I really know except what others have written.
Since then, it seems to be a pattern.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 20, 2015 01:25 PM (Xo1Rt)
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Eisenhower, in his farewell address, warned about the military-industrial complex. As far s I know, the was the first use of the phrase.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 20, 2015 01:18 PM (IWLe1)
Looking at the F-35, DDG 1000, and the transition from M1A2s to Strykers (went from already bought and paid for tanks and APCs, to less effective or safe Strykers) ?
I think there is a bit of reason to worry about the Military Industrial complex....
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 20, 2015 01:18 PM (IWLe1)
Looking at the F-35, DDG 1000, and the transition from M1A2s to Strykers (went from already bought and paid for tanks and APCs, to less effective or safe Strykers) ?
I think there is a bit of reason to worry about the Military Industrial complex....
Posted by: History, yelling again! at November 20, 2015 01:25 PM (qh617)
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When did we declare war? I thought we declared Kinetic Military Action! like in some comic book alternate reality?
I thought it was "Overseas Contingency Operations".
Man ... they change the names for this as much as they change "global warming". With leftists and retarded Indonesians you have to keep up with the latest nomenclature because it seems that nothing maintains the same name from one day to the next.
And why wasn't Paris a "man-made disaster"? I thought they really liked that one?
I thought it was "Overseas Contingency Operations".
Man ... they change the names for this as much as they change "global warming". With leftists and retarded Indonesians you have to keep up with the latest nomenclature because it seems that nothing maintains the same name from one day to the next.
And why wasn't Paris a "man-made disaster"? I thought they really liked that one?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 20, 2015 01:26 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 20, 2015 01:26 PM (Xo1Rt)
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Eisenhower, in his farewell address, warned about the military-industrial complex. As far s I know, the was the first use of the phrase.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 20, 2015 01:18 PM (IWLe1)
It was Ike, and I'll give him a pass in that he knew more about the DoD and military procurement than any president before or since.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 20, 2015 01:18 PM (IWLe1)
It was Ike, and I'll give him a pass in that he knew more about the DoD and military procurement than any president before or since.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Bury the Hatchet and Other Weapons at the Outrage Outlet! at November 20, 2015 01:26 PM (hLRSq)
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torque beat me to it re Eisenhower's famous "warning". And to add on to that, what Ike said was accurate insofar as it stated the obvious - activities and spending create interests who might attempt to influence the future of those activities and spending. Duh. No more or less for military spending than any other govt.-funded activity.
And yes the equally true but equally prosaic observation about science and guvamint funding is universally ignored.
torque beat me to it re Eisenhower's famous "warning". And to add on to that, what Ike said was accurate insofar as it stated the obvious - activities and spending create interests who might attempt to influence the future of those activities and spending. Duh. No more or less for military spending than any other govt.-funded activity.
And yes the equally true but equally prosaic observation about science and guvamint funding is universally ignored.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 20, 2015 01:27 PM (QDnY+)
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Obama is a black racist and his entire worldview is built around his belief that the US is a racist, backward country and it is his mission to lead us to enlightenment and contact with the rest of the world. He doesn't think Americans are anything special and will always make excuses and protect other people because in his heart he thinks we deserve whatever bad things happen to us.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2015 01:27 PM (/tuJf)
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As it has been since day one when "ISIS" 1st hit the US Broadsheets. Open, stacked and lined up, fish in barrel. A couple "brrraaaaaaapppp" runs from 2 or 3 A-10 Warthogs and we'd be like, "ISIS, WTF is that?"
Instead, well, the "contained JV team" continues with stunning upsets of all heavy favorites and league champions (save for the blessed Kurds) and even the most ignorant members of Kardashian Nation know who the evil dogs are.
Instead, well, the "contained JV team" continues with stunning upsets of all heavy favorites and league champions (save for the blessed Kurds) and even the most ignorant members of Kardashian Nation know who the evil dogs are.
Posted by: eureka! is troubled these days at November 20, 2015 01:27 PM (g1MTt)
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This song makes me think of the Kohn v. Ewok Grudge Match:
Like a dog without a bone
An actor out on loan
Riders on the storm...
This song makes me think of the Kohn v. Ewok Grudge Match:
Like a dog without a bone
An actor out on loan
Riders on the storm...
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at November 20, 2015 01:27 PM (iQIUe)
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137
That's sick.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at November 20, 2015 01:13 PM (dFi94)
So for thousands and thousands of years, all the earth's armies were wrong?
If it weren't for the systematic rape of conquered territories, there would have been far more genocides. The mixing of tribes is what shaped the world you see today.
Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2015 01:20 PM (Zs4uk)
Tell you what, then.
We'll leave that part up to you.
That's sick.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at November 20, 2015 01:13 PM (dFi94)
So for thousands and thousands of years, all the earth's armies were wrong?
If it weren't for the systematic rape of conquered territories, there would have been far more genocides. The mixing of tribes is what shaped the world you see today.
Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2015 01:20 PM (Zs4uk)
Tell you what, then.
We'll leave that part up to you.
Posted by: West at November 20, 2015 01:28 PM (1Rgee)
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This whole brouhaha was started by a video.... A video made at the laugh factory... A. Video! *hic*
This whole brouhaha was started by a video.... A video made at the laugh factory... A. Video! *hic*
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at November 20, 2015 01:28 PM (WYBi3)
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The only war-time Democrat president with any balls was Truman.
Posted by: Hank at November 20, 2015 01:25 PM (IkSOf)
True for WWII, for which he did the right thing and pressed for unconditional surrender. But then Truman collapsed and brought us "limited war" without the goal of winning in the Korean War, which set the pattern to last until now that we would never win another war. Truman should have resigned after he did his good works for WWII. He was done after that and totally useless (as it applied to prosecuting a war).
Posted by: Hank at November 20, 2015 01:25 PM (IkSOf)
True for WWII, for which he did the right thing and pressed for unconditional surrender. But then Truman collapsed and brought us "limited war" without the goal of winning in the Korean War, which set the pattern to last until now that we would never win another war. Truman should have resigned after he did his good works for WWII. He was done after that and totally useless (as it applied to prosecuting a war).
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 20, 2015 01:28 PM (zc3Db)
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124 Air power can't win.
Posted by: The guy who moved from Hiroshima to Nagasaki at November 20, 2015 01:16 PM (FkBIv)
I just snorted rice out my nose. Kinda poetic when you think about it.
Posted by: The guy who moved from Hiroshima to Nagasaki at November 20, 2015 01:16 PM (FkBIv)
I just snorted rice out my nose. Kinda poetic when you think about it.
Posted by: Pug Mahon at November 20, 2015 01:28 PM (RwwCT)
163
Anybody started watching Man in the High Castle yet? I think the premise is absurd, but I'll try to suspend my disbelief.
Posted by: gewa76 at November 20, 2015 01:29 PM (S9rS1)
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I won. Bitches...
Posted by: Emperor Clusterfuck I at November 20, 2015 01:29 PM (YFFpo)
165
ISIS is apparently though, running out of cannon fodder.
Where once they were getting 3-4,000 recruits a day, now they're only getting 50-60.
At least according to some guy interviewing who knows who.
Where once they were getting 3-4,000 recruits a day, now they're only getting 50-60.
At least according to some guy interviewing who knows who.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 20, 2015 01:29 PM (Xo1Rt)
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#SnowflakesNotBombs
Posted by: Marie Hork and Jen Psocki at November 20, 2015 01:29 PM (Jj/2n)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 20, 2015 01:30 PM (IWLe1)
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I'll add one caveat to above - Reagan won the Cold War. That was the only win we recorded after WWII. But Bush Sr and the rest threw that win away.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 20, 2015 01:30 PM (zc3Db)
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It's almost as if SCOAMF is an Islamist-sympathizer traitor, or something. Almost.
Posted by: Stu-22 at November 20, 2015 01:30 PM (rUc9h)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at November 20, 2015 01:30 PM (E5UB0)
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The only war-time Democrat president with any balls was Truman.
Posted by: Hank at November 20, 2015 01:25 PM
At least in 1945.
By the time the Korean "conflict" rolled around, HST saw things differently. Whether because of bad advice -- he was getting plenty -- or simple cussedness, he didn't seem so interested in getting the job done.
Not that his successors were much better. HST was the lest president of wither party who saw thing through to a satisfactory conclusion. And Yalta pretty much put the blocks to that.
Posted by: Hank at November 20, 2015 01:25 PM
At least in 1945.
By the time the Korean "conflict" rolled around, HST saw things differently. Whether because of bad advice -- he was getting plenty -- or simple cussedness, he didn't seem so interested in getting the job done.
Not that his successors were much better. HST was the lest president of wither party who saw thing through to a satisfactory conclusion. And Yalta pretty much put the blocks to that.
Posted by: MrScribbler at November 20, 2015 01:31 PM (dbC6X)
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So for thousands and thousands of years, all the earth's armies were wrong?
If it weren't for the systematic rape of conquered territories,
there would have been far more genocides. The mixing of tribes is what
shaped the world you see today.
Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2015 01:20 PM (Zs4uk)
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So my Uncle Walter should have raped women in Japan during World War 2? And my step-dad's dad should have raped women in Germany during the same time period? And my son should have raped the women in Baghdad? Take your stupid rape fantasies and stick 'em where the sun don't shine.
If it weren't for the systematic rape of conquered territories,
there would have been far more genocides. The mixing of tribes is what
shaped the world you see today.
Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2015 01:20 PM (Zs4uk)
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So my Uncle Walter should have raped women in Japan during World War 2? And my step-dad's dad should have raped women in Germany during the same time period? And my son should have raped the women in Baghdad? Take your stupid rape fantasies and stick 'em where the sun don't shine.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at November 20, 2015 01:31 PM (dFi94)
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Bit of good news.
http://tinyurl.com/okawzpo
ISLAMIC State has been so heavily hit by Russian airstrikes it is dumping bodies of dead jihadis in Syrian sewage pits filled with human excrement rather than giving them a Muslim burial.
http://tinyurl.com/okawzpo
ISLAMIC State has been so heavily hit by Russian airstrikes it is dumping bodies of dead jihadis in Syrian sewage pits filled with human excrement rather than giving them a Muslim burial.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at November 20, 2015 01:31 PM (fWAjv)
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Earlier this year the guy who was in *both* Hiroshima and Nagasaki for their famous "events" passed away. He was a travelling representative of some company, survived Hiroshima and moved on to Nagasaki just time for the festivities there. Survived both unscathed, I believe.
Amazing story. There may well have been others with that story who never talked about it or passed away before such things were discussed openly in Japan.
Earlier this year the guy who was in *both* Hiroshima and Nagasaki for their famous "events" passed away. He was a travelling representative of some company, survived Hiroshima and moved on to Nagasaki just time for the festivities there. Survived both unscathed, I believe.
Amazing story. There may well have been others with that story who never talked about it or passed away before such things were discussed openly in Japan.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 20, 2015 01:31 PM (QDnY+)
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What if they gave an air war and no targets were designated?
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 20, 2015 01:32 PM (IWLe1)
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"Eisenhower, in his farewell address, warned about the military-industrial complex."
That is my reaction to the behemoth that NASA has become, especially the manned spaceflight departments. I get the arguments to both sides of that issue, and frankly, have no better solution, and see no way to get politics out of it.
That is my reaction to the behemoth that NASA has become, especially the manned spaceflight departments. I get the arguments to both sides of that issue, and frankly, have no better solution, and see no way to get politics out of it.
Posted by: THDeering at November 20, 2015 01:32 PM (ObvvK)
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But Bush Sr and the rest threw that win away.
There little in our history that has brought more shame that GHWB trying to persuade the Baltic States to stay in the Soviet Union. The USSR collapsed despite him.
There little in our history that has brought more shame that GHWB trying to persuade the Baltic States to stay in the Soviet Union. The USSR collapsed despite him.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 20, 2015 01:32 PM (rwI+c)
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RE #171: Sorry -- Should have said Potsdam, not Yalta.
The near-death FDR got used and abused by Uncle Joe at Yalta, Truman did little better at Potsdam.
The near-death FDR got used and abused by Uncle Joe at Yalta, Truman did little better at Potsdam.
Posted by: MrScribbler at November 20, 2015 01:32 PM (dbC6X)
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Saw first two episodes of Man in the High Castle ... really liked it 163.
Posted by: Irony at November 20, 2015 01:33 PM (apJVd)
Posted by: Fat Man and Little Boy at November 20, 2015 01:33 PM (10+j7)
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165 ISIS is apparently though, running out of cannon fodder.
Where once they were getting 3-4,000 recruits a day, now they're only getting 50-60.
At least according to some guy interviewing who knows who.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 20, 2015 01:29 PM (Xo1Rt)
Uh... if ISIS was getting 3000 - 4000 per day, that would be over 100,000 per month.
The estimates are that ISIS has less than 40K...
So unless they only recruited for 10 days... this guy has a gross conceptual error...
Where once they were getting 3-4,000 recruits a day, now they're only getting 50-60.
At least according to some guy interviewing who knows who.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 20, 2015 01:29 PM (Xo1Rt)
Uh... if ISIS was getting 3000 - 4000 per day, that would be over 100,000 per month.
The estimates are that ISIS has less than 40K...
So unless they only recruited for 10 days... this guy has a gross conceptual error...
Posted by: Math.... at November 20, 2015 01:33 PM (qh617)
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ISIS is apparently though, running out of cannon fodder.
Where once they were getting 3-4,000 recruits a day, now they're only getting 50-60.
At least according to some guy interviewing who knows who.
That's usually what happens when you get your ass kicked. Notice how Alabama gets more and better recruits than SMU? It's almost like people don't want to join a loser. Huh.
Where once they were getting 3-4,000 recruits a day, now they're only getting 50-60.
At least according to some guy interviewing who knows who.
That's usually what happens when you get your ass kicked. Notice how Alabama gets more and better recruits than SMU? It's almost like people don't want to join a loser. Huh.
Posted by: gewa76 at November 20, 2015 01:33 PM (S9rS1)
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>> Obama is a black racist and his entire worldview is built
>> around his belief that the US is a racist, backward country
I would not be surprised to find that deep down Obama's policy is something close to 'I will not kill brown people, no matter how evil'.
And given his family history, he probably regards them as kindred spirits to his father.
>> around his belief that the US is a racist, backward country
I would not be surprised to find that deep down Obama's policy is something close to 'I will not kill brown people, no matter how evil'.
And given his family history, he probably regards them as kindred spirits to his father.
Posted by: JEM at November 20, 2015 01:34 PM (o+SC1)
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I had such a mancrush on Uncle Joe.
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Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 20, 2015 01:28 PM (zc3Db)
And Greece. Don't forget Greece.
The Truman doctrine was the beginning of our policy of supporting undemocratic regimes if they fought communism.
Sorta made sense but turned out to be a disaster as far as the population of those countries whose freedoms were stomped on and who still resent the US because of it.
Name just about any 3rd world country that hates us and you'll find they had a military junta ruling for years supported by American dollars and military supplies.
And Greece. Don't forget Greece.
The Truman doctrine was the beginning of our policy of supporting undemocratic regimes if they fought communism.
Sorta made sense but turned out to be a disaster as far as the population of those countries whose freedoms were stomped on and who still resent the US because of it.
Name just about any 3rd world country that hates us and you'll find they had a military junta ruling for years supported by American dollars and military supplies.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 20, 2015 01:34 PM (Xo1Rt)
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I so miss Ronaldus Magnus: East Victor.
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Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at November 20, 2015 01:31 PM (fWAjv)
How does one say "Operation Linebacker" in Russian?
How does one say "Operation Linebacker" in Russian?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Bury the Hatchet and Other Weapons at the Outrage Outlet! at November 20, 2015 01:36 PM (hLRSq)
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Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at November 20, 2015 01:31 PM (dFi94)
You're just getting him . . excited.
You're just getting him . . excited.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 20, 2015 01:36 PM (Xo1Rt)
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I'm willing to admit that I, a middle-aged family man, wept like a child during his Farewell Address to the RNC.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 20, 2015 01:36 PM (rwI+c)
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>> ISLAMIC State has been so heavily hit by Russian airstrikes
>> it is dumping bodies of dead jihadis in Syrian sewage pits
>> filled with human excrement rather than giving them a
>> Muslim burial.
But Obama had to plop Bin Laden in the ocean with all the snackbar gibberish.
If the Russians kill off ISIS you can absolutely bet that Barry and Hillary will take credit for it.
>> it is dumping bodies of dead jihadis in Syrian sewage pits
>> filled with human excrement rather than giving them a
>> Muslim burial.
But Obama had to plop Bin Laden in the ocean with all the snackbar gibberish.
If the Russians kill off ISIS you can absolutely bet that Barry and Hillary will take credit for it.
Posted by: JEM at November 20, 2015 01:36 PM (o+SC1)
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>>>But he feels leaders are culpable, as leaders (like himself) make moral choices, whereas everyone else are animal-level followers who are simply the playthings of circumstance.
I dunno. I'll bet most Medieval peasants were worse off than the average ME feral sh*theaded terrorist (and I believe most suicide bombers have a high level of education).
But they were not terrorists, despite their circumstances. They were worse off, but behaved more decently. These people are f*cking rabid animals.
I dunno. I'll bet most Medieval peasants were worse off than the average ME feral sh*theaded terrorist (and I believe most suicide bombers have a high level of education).
But they were not terrorists, despite their circumstances. They were worse off, but behaved more decently. These people are f*cking rabid animals.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 20, 2015 01:36 PM (E5UB0)
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Instead, well, the "contained JV team" continues with stunning upsets of all heavy favorites and league champions (save for the blessed Kurds) and even the most ignorant members of Kardashian Nation know who the evil dogs are.
Posted by: eureka! is troubled these days at November 20, 2015 01:27 PM (g1MTt)
No kidding. Their parades and their convoys out in the open desert. It was just blatant that Obama didn't want to kill ISIS fighters. At least 300k Syrians and it can only be guessed at how many others in Iraq murdered, and SCOAMT was too sensitive to take ISIS out.
Posted by: eureka! is troubled these days at November 20, 2015 01:27 PM (g1MTt)
No kidding. Their parades and their convoys out in the open desert. It was just blatant that Obama didn't want to kill ISIS fighters. At least 300k Syrians and it can only be guessed at how many others in Iraq murdered, and SCOAMT was too sensitive to take ISIS out.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at November 20, 2015 01:36 PM (BZAd3)
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You're just getting him . . excited.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 20, 2015 01:36 PM (Xo1Rt)
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Oh dear.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 20, 2015 01:36 PM (Xo1Rt)
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Oh dear.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at November 20, 2015 01:37 PM (dFi94)
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So my Uncle Walter should have raped women in Japan during World War 2? And my step-dad's dad should have raped women in Germany during the same time period? And my son should have raped the women in Baghdad? Take your stupid rape fantasies and stick 'em where the sun don't shine.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at November 20, 2015 01:31 PM (dFi94)
Uncle Walter should have got him some.
Japan had (and still has) one of most segregated DNA lines on the planet. This "purity" of race - or more easily put, tribe - is what led to war countless times over history.
The constant occupation since the war has alleviated it somewhat, but the ideal is still a cultural homogenization that would tend to eliminate the reasons for war.
So all this death and destruction is because armies didn't rape enough.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at November 20, 2015 01:31 PM (dFi94)
Uncle Walter should have got him some.
Japan had (and still has) one of most segregated DNA lines on the planet. This "purity" of race - or more easily put, tribe - is what led to war countless times over history.
The constant occupation since the war has alleviated it somewhat, but the ideal is still a cultural homogenization that would tend to eliminate the reasons for war.
So all this death and destruction is because armies didn't rape enough.
Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2015 01:37 PM (Zs4uk)
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The Jenner girls show their true selves. Shudder!
http://goo.gl/GjUM3q
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang!
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I'd amputate that.
http://goo.gl/GjUM3q
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang!
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I'd amputate that.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at November 20, 2015 01:38 PM (E5UB0)
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I noticed one more thing... Ozero doesn't care if Putin or Iran takes out ISIS, because their imperialism is OK. If Iran gets stronger, and if Russia gets stronger Iran gets stronger, _that's OK._ They have a right to fight against those they call religious extremists, because they're anti-western.
Iran, Russia, and ISIS are all ways for him to keep Domestic Whitey down.
Iran, Russia, and ISIS are all ways for him to keep Domestic Whitey down.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at November 20, 2015 01:38 PM (E9jEj)
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Posted by: Math.... at November 20, 2015 01:33 PM (qh617)
That could be me. I wasn't sure about the time frame.
Think I could get a job as a journalist?
That could be me. I wasn't sure about the time frame.
Think I could get a job as a journalist?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 20, 2015 01:38 PM (Xo1Rt)
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185: "Name just about any 3rd world country that hates us and you'll find they had a military junta ruling for years supported by American dollars and military supplies."
Would they hate us any more if we turned them over to the USSR?
Would they hate us any more if we turned them over to the USSR?
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 20, 2015 01:38 PM (UPYPp)
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179 Saw first two episodes of Man in the High Castle ... really liked it 163.
Posted by: Irony at November 20, 2015 01:33 PM (apJVd)
yeah,me too.
if we had prime I'd watch the rest
Posted by: Irony at November 20, 2015 01:33 PM (apJVd)
yeah,me too.
if we had prime I'd watch the rest
Posted by: @votermom at November 20, 2015 01:38 PM (cbfNE)
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I see the Religion of Peace took out some more infidels today...
Posted by: donna at November 20, 2015 01:39 PM (/dSsq)
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Earlier this year the guy who was in *both* Hiroshima and Nagasaki for their famous "events" passed away. He was a travelling representative of some company, survived Hiroshima and moved on to Nagasaki just time for the festivities there. Survived both unscathed, I believe.
Rumor has it that he was a traveling salesman for a company that sold lead-lined refrigerators.
Rumor has it that he was a traveling salesman for a company that sold lead-lined refrigerators.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 20, 2015 01:39 PM (8ZskC)
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So all this death and destruction is because armies didn't rape enough.
Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2015 01:37 PM (Zs4uk)
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Yeah, kinda done with you now.
Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2015 01:37 PM (Zs4uk)
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Yeah, kinda done with you now.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at November 20, 2015 01:39 PM (dFi94)
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>> The Truman doctrine was the beginning of our policy of
>> supporting undemocratic regimes if they fought communism.
Actually, we'd been propping up various dictatorships in Latin America for long before the war.
'He's a sonofabitch, but he's our sonofabitch' was FDR's line, I believe.
The main difference postwar was that we now had the reach and the political will to do so globally.
Some places it worked, some it didn't.
>> supporting undemocratic regimes if they fought communism.
Actually, we'd been propping up various dictatorships in Latin America for long before the war.
'He's a sonofabitch, but he's our sonofabitch' was FDR's line, I believe.
The main difference postwar was that we now had the reach and the political will to do so globally.
Some places it worked, some it didn't.
Posted by: JEM at November 20, 2015 01:39 PM (o+SC1)
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That is my reaction to the behemoth that NASA has become,
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Hey! Who would make up those climate change statistics if we didn't have NASA?
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Hey! Who would make up those climate change statistics if we didn't have NASA?
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 20, 2015 01:39 PM (IWLe1)
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But when a marquee Big Name in the jihadi world gets killed, that is a
Big Thing, there is media coverage of the daring feat, and Obama is able
to briefly bask in the public attention and adoration for which he has
an absolutely insatiable craving.
This is correct. Latest example: "jihadi john" was droned just blocks from ISIS headquarters. American Thinker had an aerial photo showing this the other day.
Big Thing, there is media coverage of the daring feat, and Obama is able
to briefly bask in the public attention and adoration for which he has
an absolutely insatiable craving.
This is correct. Latest example: "jihadi john" was droned just blocks from ISIS headquarters. American Thinker had an aerial photo showing this the other day.
Posted by: small town girl at November 20, 2015 01:40 PM (YCqK1)
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So all this death and destruction is because armies didn't rape enough.
Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2015 01:37 PM (Zs4uk)
We'd like you to write our next cover story.
Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2015 01:37 PM (Zs4uk)
We'd like you to write our next cover story.
Posted by: Rollng Stone at November 20, 2015 01:40 PM (oVJmc)
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This is, and has been, easy math for a long time.
The Pentagon has generally reported sorties flown and targets destroyed in support of the op. It was pretty easy to see from 50,000 AGL this was another public relations campaign.
Maybe Obama and Hillary have just grown too attached to IS, you know, given they created it with their policies, to destroy them?
The Pentagon has generally reported sorties flown and targets destroyed in support of the op. It was pretty easy to see from 50,000 AGL this was another public relations campaign.
Maybe Obama and Hillary have just grown too attached to IS, you know, given they created it with their policies, to destroy them?
Posted by: Marcus T at November 20, 2015 01:41 PM (GGCsk)
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This reminds me so much of Vietnam under Democrat congressional control, its not even funny. You can't bomb there. You can't attack there. You can't shoot that. You can't use that weapon. You have to let them go.
All they're worried about is who gets hurt and public opinion, what the locals will react like. Not winning, not success, not strategic impact, not war. Its about public opinion and hurting feelings. Its about how they'll look to their buddies at the cocktail party later.
And the soldiers are dying from these idiotic restrictions because, well who cares about those inbred Jesuslander freaks anyway, right?
All they're worried about is who gets hurt and public opinion, what the locals will react like. Not winning, not success, not strategic impact, not war. Its about public opinion and hurting feelings. Its about how they'll look to their buddies at the cocktail party later.
And the soldiers are dying from these idiotic restrictions because, well who cares about those inbred Jesuslander freaks anyway, right?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 20, 2015 01:42 PM (39g3+)
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Rape was actually a good thing, and here's why...
Posted by: jeast @ Vox at November 20, 2015 01:42 PM (UPYPp)
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Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 20, 2015 01:38 PM (UPYPp)
I can understand your view. It's easy to look back now and say this or that shoulda, coulda, woulda.
Still we supported some really heinous Governments in the name of anti-communism and whether they would've been better off commie or not, who knows?
Maybe neither would have been any good. but we got the blame.
No good deed goes unpunished.
I can understand your view. It's easy to look back now and say this or that shoulda, coulda, woulda.
Still we supported some really heinous Governments in the name of anti-communism and whether they would've been better off commie or not, who knows?
Maybe neither would have been any good. but we got the blame.
No good deed goes unpunished.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 20, 2015 01:42 PM (Xo1Rt)
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>>I would not be surprised to find that deep down Obama's policy is something close to 'I will not kill brown people, no matter how evil'.
>>And given his family history, he probably regards them as kindred spirits to his father.
There's a very revealing video of Obama giving a reading and answering questions about his book Dreams of My Father way back when it was first released. He is very open with his racial animus, his belief that the US owes blacks for past ills and his disdain for traditional American/conservative beliefs.
It is also obvious that he believes he is smarter and better than anyone and uniquely qualified to fix all our problems all by himself. I don't think his worldview has grown one iota from his radical college days.
>>And given his family history, he probably regards them as kindred spirits to his father.
There's a very revealing video of Obama giving a reading and answering questions about his book Dreams of My Father way back when it was first released. He is very open with his racial animus, his belief that the US owes blacks for past ills and his disdain for traditional American/conservative beliefs.
It is also obvious that he believes he is smarter and better than anyone and uniquely qualified to fix all our problems all by himself. I don't think his worldview has grown one iota from his radical college days.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2015 01:42 PM (/tuJf)
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So all this death and destruction is because armies didn't rape enough.
Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2015 01:37 PM (Zs4uk)
We'd like you to write our next cover story.
Posted by: Rollng Stone
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I could write something, too.
- Feel the Bern!
Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2015 01:37 PM (Zs4uk)
We'd like you to write our next cover story.
Posted by: Rollng Stone
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I could write something, too.
- Feel the Bern!
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 20, 2015 01:43 PM (IWLe1)
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>> So all this death and destruction is because armies didn't
>> rape enough.
We agree entirely. After all, we are the Religion of Peace.
>> rape enough.
We agree entirely. After all, we are the Religion of Peace.
Posted by: The Rotherham Pakistani Muslim Community at November 20, 2015 01:43 PM (o+SC1)
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jwest should be forcibly made to win next year's ESPY award.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at November 20, 2015 01:43 PM (E5UB0)
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Air Power almost won the VietNam war until Dems in Congress cut the funding.
Just imagine doing another Operation Rolling Thunder on these Jihadis.
Just imagine doing another Operation Rolling Thunder on these Jihadis.
Posted by: Iblis at November 20, 2015 01:44 PM (UHUr9)
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As I mentioned in the ONT, I had the priviledge (*gasp* *shock* *horror*) of listening to a professor from USC's School of International Relations give a lecture on the Middle East last night. He was of the opinion that Obama has no Grand Design for his foreign policy. Instead, he's content to muddle through from day to day, letting his actions be dictated by what will cause him the least trouble in the polls and with his base.
As for an air war - it might have worked in Kosovo. But I wouldn't count on it working here. In Kosovo, NATO air raids were essentially repulsing invading troops. Against ISIS, they'd be bombing defenders. There's a very big difference between the two. After we bomb ISIS's cities to rubble, someone's going to have to go in and dig them out. That someone doesn't necessarily have to be the US. A properly supported Iraqi army looking for revenge might be able to do the job. Or the Kurds, after receiving proper arms, might be able to do the job. But someone's going to have to provide the infantry.
As for an air war - it might have worked in Kosovo. But I wouldn't count on it working here. In Kosovo, NATO air raids were essentially repulsing invading troops. Against ISIS, they'd be bombing defenders. There's a very big difference between the two. After we bomb ISIS's cities to rubble, someone's going to have to go in and dig them out. That someone doesn't necessarily have to be the US. A properly supported Iraqi army looking for revenge might be able to do the job. Or the Kurds, after receiving proper arms, might be able to do the job. But someone's going to have to provide the infantry.
Posted by: junior at November 20, 2015 01:44 PM (PVi+Q)
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>> There's a very revealing video of Obama giving a reading
>> and answering questions about his book Dreams of My
>> Father way back when it was first released.
I read about twenty pages of that thing and went out and volunteered for the McCain campaign.
It scared the shit out of me that anyone could believe that what he'd written was anything but disqualifying for the Presidency.
>> and answering questions about his book Dreams of My
>> Father way back when it was first released.
I read about twenty pages of that thing and went out and volunteered for the McCain campaign.
It scared the shit out of me that anyone could believe that what he'd written was anything but disqualifying for the Presidency.
Posted by: JEM at November 20, 2015 01:45 PM (o+SC1)
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Anybody started watching Man in the High Castle yet? I think the premise is absurd, but I'll try to suspend my disbelief.
I'm going to start 'The Man in the High Castle' this weekend, I am pretty good at the suspension of disbelief in entertainment, really only 2 movies I can really remember stop watching only 2 major movies after 15 minutes, the first star wars prequel and that awful avatar movie.
plus with obama in the white house, disbelief in american fascism isn't so far fetched.
I'm going to start 'The Man in the High Castle' this weekend, I am pretty good at the suspension of disbelief in entertainment, really only 2 movies I can really remember stop watching only 2 major movies after 15 minutes, the first star wars prequel and that awful avatar movie.
plus with obama in the white house, disbelief in american fascism isn't so far fetched.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 20, 2015 01:45 PM (ODxAs)
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Yeah, kinda done with you now.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at November 20, 2015 01:39 PM (dFi94)
Well it's duly noted that grammie winger is in the "anti-rape" column. Quite a courageous stance you've got there.
However, I hope you realize the historical reality of what I'm talking about. It's impossible for civilization to be where it is today without motivations and results of rape in war.
You might want to enroll in college - I'm certain they don't allow any discussion of this type there.
Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at November 20, 2015 01:39 PM (dFi94)
Well it's duly noted that grammie winger is in the "anti-rape" column. Quite a courageous stance you've got there.
However, I hope you realize the historical reality of what I'm talking about. It's impossible for civilization to be where it is today without motivations and results of rape in war.
You might want to enroll in college - I'm certain they don't allow any discussion of this type there.
Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2015 01:45 PM (Zs4uk)
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Terrorists, he's told us so many times, are merely misled and misinformed creatures who just need some good economic opportunities and maybe some #HashtagUplift from the State Department and then they'll stop being terrorists.
THIS THIS THIS
this is why he think importing them to the US is the cure
this is why he doesnt care if they cross our southern border or are welcomed as refugees
THIS THIS THIS
this is why he think importing them to the US is the cure
this is why he doesnt care if they cross our southern border or are welcomed as refugees
Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2015 01:45 PM (zOTsN)
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Air power can't win.
Posted by: The guy who moved from Hiroshima to Nagasaki at November 20, 2015 01:16 PM (FkBIv)
BUT, NUCLEAR Bombs can.
Air power can't win.
Posted by: The guy who moved from Hiroshima to Nagasaki at November 20, 2015 01:16 PM (FkBIv)
BUT, NUCLEAR Bombs can.
Posted by: Gen LeMay at November 20, 2015 01:45 PM (jJRIy)
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At least the Navy is having fun:
http://tinyurl.com/oy4thsz
Sea Wars - The Ike Awakens
Lighten things up a bit.
The swab bucket robot is pretty cool.
http://tinyurl.com/oy4thsz
Sea Wars - The Ike Awakens
Lighten things up a bit.
The swab bucket robot is pretty cool.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at November 20, 2015 01:45 PM (BZAd3)
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People are saying maybe Obama's a Muslim, maybe they like IS, maybe this, maybe that.
I don't think its any of that. Its all terribly, sickeningly familiar and consistent with their worldview.
If we bomb "eyesil" as Obama calls them, then we're oppressing them. We have to be sure our actions are not going to antagonize the poor, oppressed "others" so we cause them to become angry with us. After all, they only are terrorists because of our cruel, thoughtless actions of the past.
So we have to take action but we have to make sure nobody gets hurt and there's no one to cry in front of a camera because little Abdul the Clock Maker was killed in a bombing run by the evil American cowboys. They're like a kitten, if you would only stop pulling their tail, they wont scratch you, don't you understand??
That's the mindset here. Its not quasi secret crypto-Muslim support of IS, its a stupid, childish, ignorant worldview played out by people who shouldn't be given the power to check your tires at a gas station.
I don't think its any of that. Its all terribly, sickeningly familiar and consistent with their worldview.
If we bomb "eyesil" as Obama calls them, then we're oppressing them. We have to be sure our actions are not going to antagonize the poor, oppressed "others" so we cause them to become angry with us. After all, they only are terrorists because of our cruel, thoughtless actions of the past.
So we have to take action but we have to make sure nobody gets hurt and there's no one to cry in front of a camera because little Abdul the Clock Maker was killed in a bombing run by the evil American cowboys. They're like a kitten, if you would only stop pulling their tail, they wont scratch you, don't you understand??
That's the mindset here. Its not quasi secret crypto-Muslim support of IS, its a stupid, childish, ignorant worldview played out by people who shouldn't be given the power to check your tires at a gas station.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 20, 2015 01:46 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at November 20, 2015 01:46 PM (fWAjv)
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So all this death and destruction is because armies didn't rape enough.
Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2015 01:37 PM (Zs4uk)
jwest, pre-20th century western armies did plenty of that. I don't think your argument is a valid one.
Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2015 01:37 PM (Zs4uk)
jwest, pre-20th century western armies did plenty of that. I don't think your argument is a valid one.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Bury the Hatchet and Other Weapons at the Outrage Outlet! at November 20, 2015 01:46 PM (hLRSq)
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OT bleg- if you're looking to step away from politics for an hour or two this weekend consider this:
"To Save Us All From Ruin" - a delightful novel of WWII by an unheralded novelist will be available for free on Kindle Saturday, Sunday and Monday only!
Link in nick.
The downside is...well there is no downside. It's free and it's a great tale. Three days only. Even if you don't read it, you can give it a review on Amazon.
Here's what the critics are saying:
"It's great!" -- Missus Muldoon
"Woof"-- Buckley the bossy Aussie
"It sucks!" -- Seamus' brothers
"It's free! For three days! -- Seamus
(Did I mention it's free?)
"To Save Us All From Ruin" - a delightful novel of WWII by an unheralded novelist will be available for free on Kindle Saturday, Sunday and Monday only!
Link in nick.
The downside is...well there is no downside. It's free and it's a great tale. Three days only. Even if you don't read it, you can give it a review on Amazon.
Here's what the critics are saying:
"It's great!" -- Missus Muldoon
"Woof"-- Buckley the bossy Aussie
"It sucks!" -- Seamus' brothers
"It's free! For three days! -- Seamus
(Did I mention it's free?)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at November 20, 2015 01:46 PM (NeFrd)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 20, 2015 01:46 PM (ODxAs)
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>>>'He's a sonofabitch, but he's our sonofabitch' was FDR's line, I believe.
Said Obama regarding a puppy between two hotdog buns.
Said Obama regarding a puppy between two hotdog buns.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 20, 2015 01:46 PM (E5UB0)
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It's a dilemma alright but I think I'm going to declare anti-rape as well.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 20, 2015 01:47 PM (IWLe1)
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Obama is NOT on our team! Just in case anyone wondered "why?"
Posted by: Rob in Katy at November 20, 2015 01:47 PM (eYTQP)
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"Hey! Who would make up those climate change statistics if we didn't have NASA?"
It goes a lot further back than that. Getting an aircraft through the 'sound barrier' was a big deal. the engineers wanted to do, and was doing a very methodical, very painstaking engineering study, taking little incremental steps, and one day Yeager got in the X-1 and just did it. When you read what he had to do to fly the thing it's quite amazing.
Of course, once the barrier was broken, that project was suddenly over, and all those people had to find another project to work on.
It goes a lot further back than that. Getting an aircraft through the 'sound barrier' was a big deal. the engineers wanted to do, and was doing a very methodical, very painstaking engineering study, taking little incremental steps, and one day Yeager got in the X-1 and just did it. When you read what he had to do to fly the thing it's quite amazing.
Of course, once the barrier was broken, that project was suddenly over, and all those people had to find another project to work on.
Posted by: THDeering at November 20, 2015 01:47 PM (ObvvK)
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Once you accept that Obama is on ISIS's side, everything he does makes sense.
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Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 20, 2015 01:42 PM (39g3+)
It's not even public opinion that they're worried about. It's other Islamic nations that's got them shit stained drawers.
LBJ controlled the bombing in VN because he was convinced we'd bring China (boots and all) into the conflict.
He didn't give a shit about anyone else's opinion.
Same here. I'm just not sure who they're trying to please or mollify.
It's not even public opinion that they're worried about. It's other Islamic nations that's got them shit stained drawers.
LBJ controlled the bombing in VN because he was convinced we'd bring China (boots and all) into the conflict.
He didn't give a shit about anyone else's opinion.
Same here. I'm just not sure who they're trying to please or mollify.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 20, 2015 01:47 PM (Xo1Rt)
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>> As for an air war - it might have worked in Kosovo. But I
>> wouldn't count on it working here. In Kosovo, NATO air
>> raids were essentially repulsing invading troops. Against
>> ISIS, they'd be bombing defenders. T
Kosovo and the Balkans had a couple different dynamics going. First off, the populations there are basically European, and on the fringe of Europe, and this was all going on at a time when Yeltsin and immediate post-Yeltsin Russia was still largely flattened, the US/EU looked like at least the stronger horse of the moment and the EU was brandishing both carrot and stick.
Russia would never let anything like that happen now, and we would not even try.
>> wouldn't count on it working here. In Kosovo, NATO air
>> raids were essentially repulsing invading troops. Against
>> ISIS, they'd be bombing defenders. T
Kosovo and the Balkans had a couple different dynamics going. First off, the populations there are basically European, and on the fringe of Europe, and this was all going on at a time when Yeltsin and immediate post-Yeltsin Russia was still largely flattened, the US/EU looked like at least the stronger horse of the moment and the EU was brandishing both carrot and stick.
Russia would never let anything like that happen now, and we would not even try.
Posted by: JEM at November 20, 2015 01:48 PM (o+SC1)
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The air war did not "win" Kosovo. Mobilizing the Army Reserves and preparing for a ground invasion did.
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When is Facebook getting a Malian flag superimpose going?
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I also think that in his anti colonial heart, he thinks its disproportional and unfair to unlease the might of our air power
so he lets the west be terrorised and is willing to sacrifice civilians as long as he is proportional
its the same BS argument hurled at Israel when they have to kill a stabber
I also think that in his anti colonial heart, he thinks its disproportional and unfair to unlease the might of our air power
so he lets the west be terrorised and is willing to sacrifice civilians as long as he is proportional
its the same BS argument hurled at Israel when they have to kill a stabber
Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2015 01:49 PM (zOTsN)
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Obama helped CREATE ISIS by destabilizing the ME. (for a certain value of stable).
He's the one who destabilized Egypt but that didn't go the way he wanted so he did it to Libya. And then Syria. All the while withdrawing from Irag and Afghanistan.
He did it on purpose.
Whether to produce exactly what we have now? Probably not. But they knew it wouldn't be good for the US.
He's the one who destabilized Egypt but that didn't go the way he wanted so he did it to Libya. And then Syria. All the while withdrawing from Irag and Afghanistan.
He did it on purpose.
Whether to produce exactly what we have now? Probably not. But they knew it wouldn't be good for the US.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 20, 2015 01:50 PM (Xo1Rt)
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He was of the opinion that Obama has no Grand Design for his foreign policy. Instead, he's content to muddle through from day to day, letting his actions be dictated by what will cause him the least trouble in the polls and with his base.
To the extent Obama has a foreign policy, its based on ideas locked permanently into his brain in the 90s and will not change based on outside information or new developments, no matter what.
And his idea is that Muslims are people who were horribly mistreated by white colonists and Europeans for centuries, thus are justified in being very upset and taking action. Their terrorist strikes are the act of desperate, frustrated people powerless to fight a real war and should be treated with kindness, understanding, and respect, so that they stop being so mad.
Listen to his rhetoric, he makes it very clear. He doesn't think what they are doing is all that bad, just that its misguided like a confused child that fell in with bad friends. Why, who wouldn't blow things up if they were oppressed by colonists and evil white people for so long? We can solve this if only we sit down and talk to them and cheer them up. NASA can help them have better self esteem by showing them their great scientific achievements in the past. We need to be nicer to them.
Sure, if you force him to, he'll hit some places with drones and strikes, but always reluctantly, and always in a way to minimize actual impact or casualties, so as not to antagonize them further.
To the extent Obama has a foreign policy, its based on ideas locked permanently into his brain in the 90s and will not change based on outside information or new developments, no matter what.
And his idea is that Muslims are people who were horribly mistreated by white colonists and Europeans for centuries, thus are justified in being very upset and taking action. Their terrorist strikes are the act of desperate, frustrated people powerless to fight a real war and should be treated with kindness, understanding, and respect, so that they stop being so mad.
Listen to his rhetoric, he makes it very clear. He doesn't think what they are doing is all that bad, just that its misguided like a confused child that fell in with bad friends. Why, who wouldn't blow things up if they were oppressed by colonists and evil white people for so long? We can solve this if only we sit down and talk to them and cheer them up. NASA can help them have better self esteem by showing them their great scientific achievements in the past. We need to be nicer to them.
Sure, if you force him to, he'll hit some places with drones and strikes, but always reluctantly, and always in a way to minimize actual impact or casualties, so as not to antagonize them further.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 20, 2015 01:50 PM (39g3+)
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From the same PR flack mindset which once described an explosion in a nuclear power plant as being a "rapid disassembly".
Rapid unscheduled disassembly
Rapid unscheduled disassembly
Posted by: mojo at November 20, 2015 01:51 PM (OmBeX)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Bury the Hatchet and Other Weapons at the Outrage Outlet! at November 20, 2015 01:51 PM (hLRSq)
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Barack Obama is an Obamaist. The only thing he believes in, that he knows to be true, is the white western world has inflicted horrors on the rest of the world and he is going to set things right even if it kills us.
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It is also obvious that he believes he is smarter and better than anyone and uniquely qualified to fix all our problems all by himself. I don't think his worldview has grown one iota from his radical college days.
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All this time, the POS thought he was the best and brightest, and never realized that his success was due to affirmative action
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All this time, the POS thought he was the best and brightest, and never realized that his success was due to affirmative action
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 20, 2015 01:51 PM (WDRA0)
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I also think that in his anti colonial heart, he thinks its disproportional and unfair to unlease the might of our air power
Correct. Its unfair we're so powerful and they are so weak - we shouldn't use a bomb to punish a knifing, its disproportionate and unjust!
We should get them jobs so they feel better about themselves, and so they aren't being so oppressed.
Its not about him being Muslim. Its about a retarded worldview that completely misunderstands history, human nature, and evil.
Correct. Its unfair we're so powerful and they are so weak - we shouldn't use a bomb to punish a knifing, its disproportionate and unjust!
We should get them jobs so they feel better about themselves, and so they aren't being so oppressed.
Its not about him being Muslim. Its about a retarded worldview that completely misunderstands history, human nature, and evil.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 20, 2015 01:52 PM (39g3+)
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I have a friend's son that got the Distinguished Flying Cross in Kosovo. He flew an F-117, Stealth fighter.
Rumor has it he was the guy that "accidentally" bombed the Chinese Embassy that had the downed 117 parts in it.
He won't say shit. He retired a Brig Gen and now works for some company in Langley Va.
Rumor has it he was the guy that "accidentally" bombed the Chinese Embassy that had the downed 117 parts in it.
He won't say shit. He retired a Brig Gen and now works for some company in Langley Va.
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 20, 2015 01:52 PM (jJRIy)
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did you ever find yourself scratching your chin or cheek or neck like Brando in the GodFather?
And you put on the face and puff out your cheeks and do the speech he makes?
I just had that moment.
And you put on the face and puff out your cheeks and do the speech he makes?
I just had that moment.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 20, 2015 01:52 PM (Xo1Rt)
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jwest, pre-20th century western armies did plenty of that. I don't think your argument is a valid one.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Bury the Hatchet and Other Weapons at the Outrage Outlet! at November 20, 2015 01:46 PM (hLRSq)
The only similar circumstance to the position the U.S. holds today in the world is when Rome was at it's height. The relative homogenization of Europe was due to the Roman army and the practices of sack, rape and pillage.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Bury the Hatchet and Other Weapons at the Outrage Outlet! at November 20, 2015 01:46 PM (hLRSq)
The only similar circumstance to the position the U.S. holds today in the world is when Rome was at it's height. The relative homogenization of Europe was due to the Roman army and the practices of sack, rape and pillage.
Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2015 01:52 PM (Zs4uk)
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The truth about Vietnam is that air power, was winning and would have won the war. Twice, the North was on the verge of capitulation after the massed B-52 raids on Hanoi and Haiphong and the rest of what little infrastructure they had. But the North counted on, and got, thanks to the likes of John Kerry, American public opinion putting pressure on congress to end the war. The North were on their f-kn knees, but politics. The same exact politics that put Obama in office and that gave us ISIS.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at November 20, 2015 01:53 PM (BZAd3)
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It's not even public opinion that they're worried about.
Well no, he doesn't care about public opinion. He cares about the opinions of certain leftist groups and buddies.
Terrorists, he's told us so many times, are merely misled and misinformed creatures who just need some good economic opportunities and maybe some #HashtagUplift from the State Department and then they'll stop being terrorists.
Exactly: this is about helping people so they aren't so upset. They need respect and dignity, not bombs, you warmongering monster!
Well no, he doesn't care about public opinion. He cares about the opinions of certain leftist groups and buddies.
Terrorists, he's told us so many times, are merely misled and misinformed creatures who just need some good economic opportunities and maybe some #HashtagUplift from the State Department and then they'll stop being terrorists.
Exactly: this is about helping people so they aren't so upset. They need respect and dignity, not bombs, you warmongering monster!
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 20, 2015 01:54 PM (39g3+)
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I'm convinced all the Hwd action stars are ghey:
Jeremy Remmer - gay
Mr. Bradley Cooper - gay
John Travolta - gay
and others whose names escapes me...
I'm convinced all the Hwd action stars are ghey:
Jeremy Remmer - gay
Mr. Bradley Cooper - gay
John Travolta - gay
and others whose names escapes me...
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at November 20, 2015 01:54 PM (iQIUe)
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219: " It's impossible for civilization to be where it is today without..."
The same could be said of any activity or occurrence, regardless of the good or bad of it.
However, your claim that the world would be better with more rape is both wrong and morally bankrupt.
Warfare within and between grouped genotypes is no different than that which is conducted between noticeable different races.
People go to war over resources (food, water, land, access, etc.) or some form of "national pride". Mingling of genetics does nothing to reduce the likelihood of conflict.
The same could be said of any activity or occurrence, regardless of the good or bad of it.
However, your claim that the world would be better with more rape is both wrong and morally bankrupt.
Warfare within and between grouped genotypes is no different than that which is conducted between noticeable different races.
People go to war over resources (food, water, land, access, etc.) or some form of "national pride". Mingling of genetics does nothing to reduce the likelihood of conflict.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 20, 2015 01:55 PM (UPYPp)
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I have fully resigned myself to the fact that America will have to get hit hard - really hard for things to change.
A lot of innocent men, women, and children will have to die. I pray not.
A lot of innocent men, women, and children will have to die. I pray not.
Posted by: Cheri at November 20, 2015 01:55 PM (oiNtH)
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"its a stupid, childish, ignorant worldview played out by people who
shouldn't be given the power to check your tires at a gas station."
Speaking of which, anyone else remember candidate Barky in 2008 saying that we didn't need to approve offshore oil drilling, because we'd be able to save as much fuel as would come from it by simply having everyone make sure their tires were properly inflated?
I have on several occasions since then called over to people at gas stations, who had Obama stickers on their cars, and politely asked if I could briefly borrow their tire gauges so I could check my car. No one has ever obliged me, and the vast majority of them had no idea what a "tire gauge" even was.
shouldn't be given the power to check your tires at a gas station."
Speaking of which, anyone else remember candidate Barky in 2008 saying that we didn't need to approve offshore oil drilling, because we'd be able to save as much fuel as would come from it by simply having everyone make sure their tires were properly inflated?
I have on several occasions since then called over to people at gas stations, who had Obama stickers on their cars, and politely asked if I could briefly borrow their tire gauges so I could check my car. No one has ever obliged me, and the vast majority of them had no idea what a "tire gauge" even was.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 20, 2015 01:56 PM (noWW6)
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>>All this time, the POS thought he was the best and brightest, and never realized that his success was due to affirmative action
In that video I mentioned he has some interesting things to say about AA and civil rights laws. Net of it is that conservatives, he comes right out and says this, conservatives are hostile to civil rights laws and Reagan appointed judges who won't enforce them.
I shit you not. Obama sees everything, from basketball to bombs, in racial terms.
First post racial president my hairy white ass. He is one of the most racist people ever to hold the office.
In that video I mentioned he has some interesting things to say about AA and civil rights laws. Net of it is that conservatives, he comes right out and says this, conservatives are hostile to civil rights laws and Reagan appointed judges who won't enforce them.
I shit you not. Obama sees everything, from basketball to bombs, in racial terms.
First post racial president my hairy white ass. He is one of the most racist people ever to hold the office.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2015 01:56 PM (/tuJf)
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my hubby has a DFC
Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2015 01:56 PM (zOTsN)
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It's a dilemma alright but I think I'm going to declare anti-rape as well.
I'm unreservedly opposed to being on the receiving end, that's for sure.
I'm unreservedly opposed to being on the receiving end, that's for sure.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at November 20, 2015 01:57 PM (evdj2)
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257 my hubby has a DFC
Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2015 01:56 PM (zOTsN)
BZ to you both.
Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2015 01:56 PM (zOTsN)
BZ to you both.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at November 20, 2015 01:58 PM (BZAd3)
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Anyone remember the Highway of Death, and how Colin Powell and his lib buddies was so freaked out, he pulled the plug, and we probably could've gotten Saddam out then and saved all this bullshit.
Also I don't think I've ever seen gun camera films from those strikes.
Also I don't think I've ever seen gun camera films from those strikes.
Posted by: Iblis at November 20, 2015 01:58 PM (UHUr9)
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My father had a DFC. Never talked about it.
and he was not on that one flight the crew never returned from. Never talked about that either.
and he was not on that one flight the crew never returned from. Never talked about that either.
Posted by: THDeering at November 20, 2015 01:58 PM (ObvvK)
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I'm convinced all the Hwd action stars are ghey:
Jeremy Remmer - gay
Mr. Bradley Cooper - gay
John Travolta - gay
and others whose names escapes me...
Sean Bean? Say it ain't so!
Jeremy Remmer - gay
Mr. Bradley Cooper - gay
John Travolta - gay
and others whose names escapes me...
Sean Bean? Say it ain't so!
Posted by: Grump928(c) at November 20, 2015 01:59 PM (evdj2)
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However, I hope you realize the historical reality of what I'm talking about. It's impossible for civilization to be where it is today without motivations and results of rape in war.
Dan Carlin had a bit on one of his podcasts where he was talking about people who lauded the awful actions of the khans because they 'brought trade' and so on and so forth, and how this was not their actual goal and obviously pretty useless to all the people murdered and raped and destroyed by their actions. This is all post terror rationalizing by historians.
Dan Carlin had a bit on one of his podcasts where he was talking about people who lauded the awful actions of the khans because they 'brought trade' and so on and so forth, and how this was not their actual goal and obviously pretty useless to all the people murdered and raped and destroyed by their actions. This is all post terror rationalizing by historians.
Posted by: Lea at November 20, 2015 01:59 PM (lIU4e)
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Sean Bean? No way!
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at November 20, 2015 02:00 PM (iQIUe)
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Anyone remember the Highway of Death, and how Colin Powell and his lib buddies was so freaked out, he pulled the plug, and we probably could've gotten Saddam out then and saved all this bullshit.
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I remember seeing a documentary and Colin Powell saying he ended Desert Storm early because it was becoming a "turkey shoot" and we were beating them too badly.
Unreal that anyone would ever start pulling punches in a war 24 hours in
If it's a turkey shoot, keep shooting
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I remember seeing a documentary and Colin Powell saying he ended Desert Storm early because it was becoming a "turkey shoot" and we were beating them too badly.
Unreal that anyone would ever start pulling punches in a war 24 hours in
If it's a turkey shoot, keep shooting
Posted by: Coolio at November 20, 2015 02:01 PM (B8SUU)
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Anyone remember the Highway of Death, and how Colin Powell and his lib buddies was so freaked out, he pulled the plug, and we probably could've gotten Saddam out then and saved all this bullshit.
Also I don't think I've ever seen gun camera films from those strikes.
Posted by: Iblis
my hubby knows someone who flew that before they pulled the plug
it was actually psychologically tough on some of the pilots
killing someone changes the person doing the killing too
Also I don't think I've ever seen gun camera films from those strikes.
Posted by: Iblis
my hubby knows someone who flew that before they pulled the plug
it was actually psychologically tough on some of the pilots
killing someone changes the person doing the killing too
Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2015 02:01 PM (zOTsN)
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264 Sean Bean? No way!
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at November 20, 2015 02:00 PM (iQIUe)
One simply doesn't say that Sean Bean...
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at November 20, 2015 02:00 PM (iQIUe)
One simply doesn't say that Sean Bean...
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Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2015 01:52 PM (Zs4uk)
jwest, armies have done plenty of rape in the last century and it hasn't made people any better. The Japanese, for instance, were really into that and it hasn't done one thing towards keeping Asia from having wars. The Germans did plenty and the Russians did plenty in return.
I do not think there is enough evidence to support your theory. I think the supportable theory is "Where there is a credible threat of violence from a powerful group if people get uppity, things tend to stay calm." Not rape per se.
jwest, armies have done plenty of rape in the last century and it hasn't made people any better. The Japanese, for instance, were really into that and it hasn't done one thing towards keeping Asia from having wars. The Germans did plenty and the Russians did plenty in return.
I do not think there is enough evidence to support your theory. I think the supportable theory is "Where there is a credible threat of violence from a powerful group if people get uppity, things tend to stay calm." Not rape per se.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Bury the Hatchet and Other Weapons at the Outrage Outlet! at November 20, 2015 02:01 PM (hLRSq)
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"They were not bombed, and, even more tellingly, they had no fear they would be bombed."
Now that the French and Russians are bombing, I bet the pucker factor is a bit higher.
Now that the French and Russians are bombing, I bet the pucker factor is a bit higher.
Posted by: John Kerry, Asshole at November 20, 2015 02:02 PM (Mrl1e)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 20, 2015 02:02 PM (XtAzU)
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Most vets have moments that they'd rather let lie.
It's best to oblige them. Contrary to what Psychs will tell you.
The only time to be concerned is if they have trouble directly attributable to that suppression. Otherwise leave it alone.
It's best to oblige them. Contrary to what Psychs will tell you.
The only time to be concerned is if they have trouble directly attributable to that suppression. Otherwise leave it alone.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 20, 2015 02:02 PM (Xo1Rt)
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People go to war over resources (food, water, land, access, etc.) or some form of "national pride". Mingling of genetics does nothing to reduce the likelihood of conflict.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 20, 2015 01:55 PM (UPYPp)
Maybe if the discussion is limited to strictly modern times, you can say wars were fought over land, food, etc.
For the vast majority of time, one of the primary reasons for war was the mingling of genetics. The primordial desire to take the female of the other tribes, which is a species-saving trait.
The powerful taking the weak.
I honestly believe that if you look into what these ISIS terrorists are really motivated by, you'll find that opportunity for forced sex high on the list.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 20, 2015 01:55 PM (UPYPp)
Maybe if the discussion is limited to strictly modern times, you can say wars were fought over land, food, etc.
For the vast majority of time, one of the primary reasons for war was the mingling of genetics. The primordial desire to take the female of the other tribes, which is a species-saving trait.
The powerful taking the weak.
I honestly believe that if you look into what these ISIS terrorists are really motivated by, you'll find that opportunity for forced sex high on the list.
Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2015 02:02 PM (Zs4uk)
Posted by: se pa moron - call it what it is, treason at November 20, 2015 02:03 PM (7v/r5)
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there is a reason most guys who had to kill someone never talk about it
Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2015 02:03 PM (zOTsN)
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I don't know where all you Morons are but it is simply a fantastic day on the Gulf Coast. The storms of the first part of the week have left and it's sunny cool and dry here.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at November 20, 2015 02:04 PM (evdj2)
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He is one of the most racist people ever to hold the office.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2015 01:56 PM (/tuJf)
If you had asked me he wouldn't have been allowed to vote, much less run.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2015 01:56 PM (/tuJf)
If you had asked me he wouldn't have been allowed to vote, much less run.
Posted by: Woodrow Wilson at November 20, 2015 02:04 PM (Zu3d9)
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The idea that "airpower can't win" kinda depends on how you define "win".
Posted by: Billy Mitchell at November 20, 2015 02:04 PM (5fSr7)
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That's the obama we all know and loathe, quarter-assing his way to defeat. Seriously, just enough effort to avoid being mocked? One quarter effort is not mock-worthy? I know the media will never report anything like this on the front page, but you would think a few major comedians would make a few shots. Then again, they probably think he will pull a hitlerly and send some goombahs to lean on them.
Posted by: Deathknyte at November 20, 2015 02:04 PM (LyHyV)
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Fredo is coordinating the expansion of the caliphate by ISIS through the muzzie brotherhood. He (and Iran) want ISIS to prevail. As long as Baraka is prez, nothing of note will thwart the caliphate. He is an active ally to terrorism against western civilization. Do not doubt this.
Posted by: Soona at November 20, 2015 02:05 PM (Fmupd)
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Actually, we could get the gitmo detainees to rape them, then nuke them all.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 20, 2015 02:05 PM (E5UB0)
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"Anyone remember the Highway of Death, and how Colin Powell and his lib
buddies was so freaked out, he pulled the plug, and we probably could've
gotten Saddam out then and saved all this bullshit."
I stand second to no one in my disdain for Colin Powell, but the guy with the actual authority to pull the plug was G.H.W. Bush.
Advised by Dick Cheney, who said rather presciently, suppose we do march on Baghdad and depose Saddam, what then? How do we try to normalize a country that was deliberately set up by the British at the apex of their imperial wiles to be unstable and ungovernable without either an empire or a tyrant to hold it together?
buddies was so freaked out, he pulled the plug, and we probably could've
gotten Saddam out then and saved all this bullshit."
I stand second to no one in my disdain for Colin Powell, but the guy with the actual authority to pull the plug was G.H.W. Bush.
Advised by Dick Cheney, who said rather presciently, suppose we do march on Baghdad and depose Saddam, what then? How do we try to normalize a country that was deliberately set up by the British at the apex of their imperial wiles to be unstable and ungovernable without either an empire or a tyrant to hold it together?
Posted by: torquewrench at November 20, 2015 02:05 PM (noWW6)
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Once you accept that Obama is on ISIS's side, everything he does makes sense.
Posted by: holygoat
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OBAMA IS FUNNY BECAUSE HE'S AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT WHO HATES AMERICANS.
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OBAMA IS FUNNY BECAUSE HE'S AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT WHO HATES AMERICANS.
Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at November 20, 2015 02:06 PM (E5UB0)
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267 Anyone remember the Highway of Death, and how Colin Powell and his lib buddies was so freaked out, he pulled the plug, and we probably could've gotten Saddam out then and saved all this bullshit.
Also I don't think I've ever seen gun camera films from those strikes.
Posted by: Iblis
my hubby knows someone who flew that before they pulled the plug
it was actually psychologically tough on some of the pilots
killing someone changes the person doing the killing too
Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2015 02:01 PM (zOTsN)
Was there for the aftermath (assigned to Kuwait after the war was over.) The Kuwaitis left the highway pretty much as it was when the AF finished their runs. Tanks, vehicles and bodies everywhere. It sucker punched the Republican Guard, and the run of the mill Iraqis forced to fight so that their families wouldn't die. And it was effective. (Also made a strong impression on the Kuwaitis and the Saudis at the time. They were very well behaved for a while. Then Clinton happened.)
Also I don't think I've ever seen gun camera films from those strikes.
Posted by: Iblis
my hubby knows someone who flew that before they pulled the plug
it was actually psychologically tough on some of the pilots
killing someone changes the person doing the killing too
Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2015 02:01 PM (zOTsN)
Was there for the aftermath (assigned to Kuwait after the war was over.) The Kuwaitis left the highway pretty much as it was when the AF finished their runs. Tanks, vehicles and bodies everywhere. It sucker punched the Republican Guard, and the run of the mill Iraqis forced to fight so that their families wouldn't die. And it was effective. (Also made a strong impression on the Kuwaitis and the Saudis at the time. They were very well behaved for a while. Then Clinton happened.)
Posted by: Moki at November 20, 2015 02:06 PM (7q2ch)
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Obama is not sparing the low level misguided terrorists, imo. He has to know the Christians and many Muslims will be slaughtered and forced into slavery as a result of his stand down policies. That is good for his Muslim Brotherhood pals, and Jarrett is probably behind it.
Obama is on the side of those that fight against the western world, in any format. "The (his) future does not belong to those that would demean (or not worship) the Prophet Mohammad".
To Obama, the west must submit to open border invasion, to redistribution of not just income but wealth (assets), to more than reparations by white to all blacks (reparations by whites don't go far enough, even though Obama's daddy came from the slave sellers, not slaves.
Obama was raised anti-American and never changed, only got worse. His administration told us "in the end it comes down to the barrel of a gun" as his people support Mao and Che. His gun control efforts reveal on which end of the barrel wants US. He is not neutral or peaceful ... his homeland security defines trouble spots as Christian, tea party, or veterans. He can't even say "radical Islam".
Only white colonialist America (Europe) has "agency" , the rest are victims. Remember, YOU had the crusades ... you have it coming.
Obama is on the side of those that fight against the western world, in any format. "The (his) future does not belong to those that would demean (or not worship) the Prophet Mohammad".
To Obama, the west must submit to open border invasion, to redistribution of not just income but wealth (assets), to more than reparations by white to all blacks (reparations by whites don't go far enough, even though Obama's daddy came from the slave sellers, not slaves.
Obama was raised anti-American and never changed, only got worse. His administration told us "in the end it comes down to the barrel of a gun" as his people support Mao and Che. His gun control efforts reveal on which end of the barrel wants US. He is not neutral or peaceful ... his homeland security defines trouble spots as Christian, tea party, or veterans. He can't even say "radical Islam".
Only white colonialist America (Europe) has "agency" , the rest are victims. Remember, YOU had the crusades ... you have it coming.
Posted by: Illiniwek at November 20, 2015 02:06 PM (Nc0+l)
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Jwest. It's not rapey tuesday. will you just stop?
Don't you get the hints? Or are you just being an troll because it amuses you?
You do this every time you wriggle out of your slimey hole. (not rape necessarily but something)
it must be psychological.
It's not endearing, attractive or even topical or even obliquely related.
Don't you get the hints? Or are you just being an troll because it amuses you?
You do this every time you wriggle out of your slimey hole. (not rape necessarily but something)
it must be psychological.
It's not endearing, attractive or even topical or even obliquely related.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 20, 2015 02:06 PM (Xo1Rt)
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If you had asked me he wouldn't have been allowed to vote, much less run.
Posted by: Woodrow Wilson at November 20, 2015 02:04 PM (Zu3d9)
Well that's because you were a progressive and progressives are racists.
Posted by: Woodrow Wilson at November 20, 2015 02:04 PM (Zu3d9)
Well that's because you were a progressive and progressives are racists.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2015 02:07 PM (/tuJf)
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The puppy who will grow to be France's next Diesel: Little Dobrynia is donated by Russia as a sign of solidarity will be trained to replace hero canine killed by suicide jihadi
http://goo.gl/WRnuhG
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Ahhhhhhhh!
http://goo.gl/WRnuhG
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Ahhhhhhhh!
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at November 20, 2015 02:07 PM (iQIUe)
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273:"For the vast majority of time, one of the primary reasons for war was the mingling of genetics."
I will just have to disagree with that claim. Vigorously.
I'll part on this topic by saying that if I were to catch a rapist who is ostensibly "on my side", I would have to put them down. Just like the enemy.
I will just have to disagree with that claim. Vigorously.
I'll part on this topic by saying that if I were to catch a rapist who is ostensibly "on my side", I would have to put them down. Just like the enemy.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 20, 2015 02:07 PM (UPYPp)
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I meant he is sparing the low level terrorists, but to fight as soldiers, not because they are misguided nobodies.
Posted by: Illiniwek at November 20, 2015 02:08 PM (Nc0+l)
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Im not sayng the highway of death wasnt necessary
When I pray for the men and women that fight I dont just pray for their survival, but that they can live with actions they may have to take
When I pray for the men and women that fight I dont just pray for their survival, but that they can live with actions they may have to take
Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2015 02:09 PM (zOTsN)
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Why The Number '8' Tells You Everything You Need To Know About #Obama's War On #ISIS
The night before last, I was listening to a podcast as I fell asleep. I heard a factoid that, somehow, just utterly crystallised how much of a failure Obama and his response to ISIS has been. Keep this one number in mind the next time you get into a debate with a Leftist:
8
What does it represent?
The number of pick-up trucks that the US military has destroyed in its operations against ISIS.
Why is it so devastating?
Does anyone believe that Eisenhower, Patton, etc gave a shit about how many of the enemies' vehicles the US military destroyed, especially enough to actually count them? Anyone want to venture a guess how many trucks were destroyed in Dresden, Hiroshima or Nagasaki in one day?
Think about it. ISIS conducts manoeuvers and parades on a near daily basis throughout cities and towns in Syria and Iraq, as well as the vast, open spaces of the desert connecting them. One of the universal symbols of these activities is the pick-up truck loaded with jihadists. They move in columns. The United States military could take out dozens of trucks along with the hundreds of fighters riding within them in a matter of minutes and yet...
OBAMA HAS KILLED A GRAND TOTAL OF EIGHT TOYOTAS IN HIS AIR STRIKES ON ISIS, WHICH OPERATES PRIMARILY IN WIDE, OPEN DESERT SPACES, OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS.
EIGHT.
8!
That number tells you everything you need to know about Obama's War on ISIS:
It's really non-existent;
His heart isn't in it;
He doesn't really care;
And, ISIS is winning.
The night before last, I was listening to a podcast as I fell asleep. I heard a factoid that, somehow, just utterly crystallised how much of a failure Obama and his response to ISIS has been. Keep this one number in mind the next time you get into a debate with a Leftist:
8
What does it represent?
The number of pick-up trucks that the US military has destroyed in its operations against ISIS.
Why is it so devastating?
Does anyone believe that Eisenhower, Patton, etc gave a shit about how many of the enemies' vehicles the US military destroyed, especially enough to actually count them? Anyone want to venture a guess how many trucks were destroyed in Dresden, Hiroshima or Nagasaki in one day?
Think about it. ISIS conducts manoeuvers and parades on a near daily basis throughout cities and towns in Syria and Iraq, as well as the vast, open spaces of the desert connecting them. One of the universal symbols of these activities is the pick-up truck loaded with jihadists. They move in columns. The United States military could take out dozens of trucks along with the hundreds of fighters riding within them in a matter of minutes and yet...
OBAMA HAS KILLED A GRAND TOTAL OF EIGHT TOYOTAS IN HIS AIR STRIKES ON ISIS, WHICH OPERATES PRIMARILY IN WIDE, OPEN DESERT SPACES, OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS.
EIGHT.
8!
That number tells you everything you need to know about Obama's War on ISIS:
It's really non-existent;
His heart isn't in it;
He doesn't really care;
And, ISIS is winning.
Posted by: SophieRo3 at November 20, 2015 02:09 PM (sc2t4)
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Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 20, 2015 02:07 PM (UPYPp)
Yup.
Rape is not a tradition in the U.S. Army. They frown upon it actually.
Yup.
Rape is not a tradition in the U.S. Army. They frown upon it actually.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 20, 2015 02:09 PM (Zu3d9)
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@240 And his idea is that Muslims are people who were horribly mistreated by white colonists and Europeans for centuries, thus are justified in being very upset and taking action. Their terrorist strikes are the act of desperate, frustrated people powerless to fight a real war and should be treated with kindness, understanding, and respect, so that they stop being so mad.
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That's Obama's anti-colonialism beliefs. And note that the idea of Obama having those beliefs doesn't conflict with the idea that he's merely "muddling through" his foreign policy (which doesn't only apply to the Middle East).
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That's Obama's anti-colonialism beliefs. And note that the idea of Obama having those beliefs doesn't conflict with the idea that he's merely "muddling through" his foreign policy (which doesn't only apply to the Middle East).
Posted by: junior at November 20, 2015 02:10 PM (PVi+Q)
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@274 sePa, this wouldn't be another one of your humorous "State Department Instructions" satires, now, would it? Because I ain't a-fallin for that no more.
Nossir. Twice a day is enough for me.
Nossir. Twice a day is enough for me.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 20, 2015 02:11 PM (xq1UY)
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289 The puppy who will grow to be France's next Diesel: Little Dobrynia is donated by Russia as a sign of solidarity will be trained to replace hero canine killed by suicide jihadi
http://goo.gl/WRnuhG
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Ahhhhhhhh!
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at November 20, 2015 02:07 PM (iQIUe)
That was a brilliant move. Why the hell can't we have a leader who would do something like that.
Talk about hearts and minds, what's better than a dadgone puppy?????
http://goo.gl/WRnuhG
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Ahhhhhhhh!
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at November 20, 2015 02:07 PM (iQIUe)
That was a brilliant move. Why the hell can't we have a leader who would do something like that.
Talk about hearts and minds, what's better than a dadgone puppy?????
Posted by: Moki at November 20, 2015 02:11 PM (7q2ch)
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>>The puppy who will grow to be France's next Diesel: Little Dobrynia is donated by Russia as a sign of solidarity will be trained to replace hero canine killed by suicide jihadi
That puppy is just like a person!
That puppy is just like a person!
Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2015 02:12 PM (/tuJf)
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>>>For the vast majority of time, one of the primary reasons for war was the mingling of genetics.
YES!!! The mingling of the X and Y chromosomes. THIS MUST BE STOPPED.
No men, no war, duh. Only catiness. But I can live with that.
YES!!! The mingling of the X and Y chromosomes. THIS MUST BE STOPPED.
No men, no war, duh. Only catiness. But I can live with that.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at November 20, 2015 02:12 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: sir Edmund Hillary at November 20, 2015 02:13 PM (7v/r5)
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Rape is not a tradition in the U.S. Army. They frown upon it actually.
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And in WWII hung people for it.
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And in WWII hung people for it.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 20, 2015 02:13 PM (IWLe1)
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JEF would send doggeh recipes to France instead.
Posted by: SMFH at November 20, 2015 02:13 PM (zyIlW)
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Talk about hearts and minds, what's better than a dadgone puppy?????
Posted by: Moki
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Barbecued and served with mashed potatoes? Nothing.
Posted by: Moki
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Barbecued and served with mashed potatoes? Nothing.
Posted by: Barack Obama at November 20, 2015 02:14 PM (E5UB0)
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puppy was a bad idea
should of sent a mixed tape of Obamas speeches
or a reset button
or an autographed copy of obamas books
maybe a photo of obama with an auto pen signature
should of sent a mixed tape of Obamas speeches
or a reset button
or an autographed copy of obamas books
maybe a photo of obama with an auto pen signature
Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2015 02:14 PM (zOTsN)
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63)Ace, you sure do impute a lot of high-level motivation on a lazy narcissist with daddy issues. I think he's just a fucking idiot who does shit because he's bored after jerking off to tranny porn in the oval office.
Well I ain't so sure about the tranny part but I am open to it. As for the rest? Absolutely. Think about Pouty Face #BringOurGirlsHome. This is about the rape of children on a massive scale by an unsophisticated enemy we could fix and destroy in place relatively easily. With Great Fanfare special forces were sent. If one cared about humanity this is a layup. They did dick and the administration could care less. He.could.give.a.shit.about.foreign.policy. Period. Remember when an insider complained that during an international crisis with the NSC together he was "distracted, on his blackberry, chewing gum." You are the president of the United states. Who the fuck would you have to text? He really cares about meeting interesting Italian intellectuals when traveling there, having the dinner table nod vigorously as he spews pearls of wisdom. The work aspect? What channel is ESPN on in this country?
Well I ain't so sure about the tranny part but I am open to it. As for the rest? Absolutely. Think about Pouty Face #BringOurGirlsHome. This is about the rape of children on a massive scale by an unsophisticated enemy we could fix and destroy in place relatively easily. With Great Fanfare special forces were sent. If one cared about humanity this is a layup. They did dick and the administration could care less. He.could.give.a.shit.about.foreign.policy. Period. Remember when an insider complained that during an international crisis with the NSC together he was "distracted, on his blackberry, chewing gum." You are the president of the United states. Who the fuck would you have to text? He really cares about meeting interesting Italian intellectuals when traveling there, having the dinner table nod vigorously as he spews pearls of wisdom. The work aspect? What channel is ESPN on in this country?
Posted by: Mac at November 20, 2015 02:14 PM (0J18b)
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 20, 2015 02:14 PM (UPYPp)
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>>The puppy who will grow to be France's next Diesel: Little Dobrynia is
donated by Russia as a sign of solidarity will be trained to replace
hero canine killed by suicide jihadi
Cute!!
You know how when Obama is asked questions like, "What is your biggest failure" and he always gives some "I failed at properly articylating my message" or somesuch?
Yeah, Putin is kicking O's a$$ on messaging lately, no?
Not only with the bravado, but with gestures like this.
donated by Russia as a sign of solidarity will be trained to replace
hero canine killed by suicide jihadi
Cute!!
You know how when Obama is asked questions like, "What is your biggest failure" and he always gives some "I failed at properly articylating my message" or somesuch?
Yeah, Putin is kicking O's a$$ on messaging lately, no?
Not only with the bravado, but with gestures like this.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2015 02:15 PM (NOIQH)
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When I pray for the men and women that fight I dont just pray for their survival, but that they can live with actions they may have to take
Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2015 02:09 PM (zOTsN)
Thunder B, thank you. I pray for the troops, but I have never thought to pray for them to live with what they have had to do in war. Now I feel both stupid and ashamed. Will fix that omission directly.
When I pray for the men and women that fight I dont just pray for their survival, but that they can live with actions they may have to take
Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2015 02:09 PM (zOTsN)
Thunder B, thank you. I pray for the troops, but I have never thought to pray for them to live with what they have had to do in war. Now I feel both stupid and ashamed. Will fix that omission directly.
Posted by: Moki at November 20, 2015 02:15 PM (7q2ch)
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That puppy is just like a person!
Posted by: JackStraw
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Which is more than can be said of the inhabitants in the "no go zones".
Posted by: JackStraw
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Which is more than can be said of the inhabitants in the "no go zones".
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 20, 2015 02:15 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2015 02:16 PM (zOTsN)
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I imagine a video going viral, of an ISIS or al Qaeda celebratory parade. Suddenly their body parts are splattered like a foot stomping in a puddle or red paint.
A second later the sound of the main gun from an A-10 warthog is heard on the video.
There is a video of a funeral procession where the suicide vest blew up accidentally, but it was fake. Still funny.
A second later the sound of the main gun from an A-10 warthog is heard on the video.
There is a video of a funeral procession where the suicide vest blew up accidentally, but it was fake. Still funny.
Posted by: Illiniwek at November 20, 2015 02:17 PM (Nc0+l)
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That was a brilliant move. Why the hell can't we have a leader who would do something like that.
Talk about hearts and minds, what's better than a dadgone puppy?????
Posted by: Moki at November 20, 2015 02:11 PM (7q2ch)
I know. I made a comment about that yesterday. Putin is peeling off American allies all the while he's making more aggressive moves in Ukraine, Georgia and the Baltics. He has the Swedes and the Finns sweating again and he's positioning himself to basically take over the eastern Mediterranean and will probably be in a position to exercise hegemony over all of Eastern Europe that he wants to in a couple of years and have Western European countries kissing his ass all the time he does it.
Brilliant.
Talk about hearts and minds, what's better than a dadgone puppy?????
Posted by: Moki at November 20, 2015 02:11 PM (7q2ch)
I know. I made a comment about that yesterday. Putin is peeling off American allies all the while he's making more aggressive moves in Ukraine, Georgia and the Baltics. He has the Swedes and the Finns sweating again and he's positioning himself to basically take over the eastern Mediterranean and will probably be in a position to exercise hegemony over all of Eastern Europe that he wants to in a couple of years and have Western European countries kissing his ass all the time he does it.
Brilliant.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at November 20, 2015 02:17 PM (BZAd3)
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>>>For the vast majority of time, one of the primary reasons for war was the mingling of genetics.
Then sterilize them, idiot. Why do you think rape is the only way to eliminate genetic differences? You really are quite stupid.
Then sterilize them, idiot. Why do you think rape is the only way to eliminate genetic differences? You really are quite stupid.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 20, 2015 02:17 PM (E5UB0)
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Thunder B, thank you. I pray for the troops, but I have never thought to pray for them to live with what they have had to do in war. Now I feel both stupid and ashamed. Will fix that omission directly.
Posted by: Moki
aw I didnt mean to make you feel that way
Its easy for us to talk about killing a bunch of monsters, but its real human beings on the other end
thats all
Posted by: Moki
aw I didnt mean to make you feel that way
Its easy for us to talk about killing a bunch of monsters, but its real human beings on the other end
thats all
Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2015 02:17 PM (zOTsN)
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"I wish they all could be Caliphate Girls"
Posted by: kbdabear at November 20, 2015 02:18 PM (GrXXa)
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310: "we be losing all our allies and influence"
We won't be able to get it back either.
The lesson to the world is that even IF we were to get a good president, our "allies" can only count on us for four years.
We are only one season of American Idol away from selling you down the river.
We won't be able to get it back either.
The lesson to the world is that even IF we were to get a good president, our "allies" can only count on us for four years.
We are only one season of American Idol away from selling you down the river.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 20, 2015 02:18 PM (UPYPp)
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the people on the other end being our guys, if I wasnt clear
Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2015 02:19 PM (zOTsN)
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OT
FoxNews ran a report that the "hostages" in Mali were released. Before I ask my question(s), let me preface them with the qualifiers that yes I'm a blonde and I have been known to tilt my head when I have a question.
Why are they called hostages? Don't hostage takers usually make demands from someone for the hostages release? You know, kind of like Shep Smith asking what the demands were of the hostage takers at the nightclub in Paris.
There is a part of me that thinks the use of the word hostage is to remove the implication that the attackers are adherents of the ROP conversion movement.
But if not hostages what other descriptor would you use?
FoxNews ran a report that the "hostages" in Mali were released. Before I ask my question(s), let me preface them with the qualifiers that yes I'm a blonde and I have been known to tilt my head when I have a question.
Why are they called hostages? Don't hostage takers usually make demands from someone for the hostages release? You know, kind of like Shep Smith asking what the demands were of the hostage takers at the nightclub in Paris.
There is a part of me that thinks the use of the word hostage is to remove the implication that the attackers are adherents of the ROP conversion movement.
But if not hostages what other descriptor would you use?
Posted by: Usedtocould at November 20, 2015 02:20 PM (bYwuM)
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Effin' dogs.
Oh, sorry. That was yesterday.
My dad was in at Glorious Victory over Nazi Oppression. And it took him ten months to get enough "points" to get home. Did a lot of occupyin'.
The U.S. Army did not have to rape anyone. Things were extremely...voluntary.
Oh, sorry. That was yesterday.
My dad was in at Glorious Victory over Nazi Oppression. And it took him ten months to get enough "points" to get home. Did a lot of occupyin'.
The U.S. Army did not have to rape anyone. Things were extremely...voluntary.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 20, 2015 02:21 PM (xq1UY)
Posted by: Bigby's Iron Fist at November 20, 2015 02:21 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 20, 2015 02:21 PM (XtAzU)
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Surprised Gaylord is even allowing them to blow up outhouses* with expensive smart munitions.
* 100 Quatloos to anyone who gets the reference.
* 100 Quatloos to anyone who gets the reference.
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 20, 2015 02:21 PM (qY51H)
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Another bit of evidence of Obama's failure in foreign policy - throughout the Cold War, one of the goals was to limit Russian influence in the Middle East. The Russians supplied equipment and advisors to the Arab nations, but that was it. The Russian military itself was kept out because that would allow them outsized influence in the Middle East, which is an area of strategic interest to the world.
No longer.
No longer.
Posted by: junior at November 20, 2015 02:21 PM (PVi+Q)
Posted by: Joe Biden at November 20, 2015 02:22 PM (E5UB0)
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Database of Toyota Trucks?
*begins shrieking*
That's not the America I know!
*makes fist*
database of dirt on political opponents okay-dokey
*begins shrieking*
That's not the America I know!
*makes fist*
database of dirt on political opponents okay-dokey
Posted by: sir Edmund Hillary at November 20, 2015 02:22 PM (7v/r5)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at November 20, 2015 02:22 PM (evdj2)
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>>"we be losing all our allies and influence"
>>We won't be able to get it back either.
>>The lesson to the world is that even IF we were to get a good president, our "allies" can only count on us for four years.
>>We are only one season of American Idol away from selling you down the river.
I don't agree with this. We are living in an increasingly transactional world and alliances are made from need rather than historical issues. Not saying it will be easy but I think we can repair a lot of the damage if for no other reason than people will need us as a wedge against Russia.
I agree that Putin is looking good right now, particularly in contrast to the shitstick occupying the Oval Office right now, but in the end he is still a thug running a country that is broke and derives much of its influence by acting as Master Blast in Barter Town. Not exactly a stable long term ally.
>>We won't be able to get it back either.
>>The lesson to the world is that even IF we were to get a good president, our "allies" can only count on us for four years.
>>We are only one season of American Idol away from selling you down the river.
I don't agree with this. We are living in an increasingly transactional world and alliances are made from need rather than historical issues. Not saying it will be easy but I think we can repair a lot of the damage if for no other reason than people will need us as a wedge against Russia.
I agree that Putin is looking good right now, particularly in contrast to the shitstick occupying the Oval Office right now, but in the end he is still a thug running a country that is broke and derives much of its influence by acting as Master Blast in Barter Town. Not exactly a stable long term ally.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 20, 2015 02:22 PM (/tuJf)
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>>There is a part of me that thinks the use of the word hostage is to remove the implication that the attackers are adherents of the ROP conversion movement.
Yeah, MSNBC was referring to them as "hostage-takers" instead of terrorists.
How about "captives" instead of "hostages"?
Yeah, MSNBC was referring to them as "hostage-takers" instead of terrorists.
How about "captives" instead of "hostages"?
Posted by: Lizzy at November 20, 2015 02:22 PM (NOIQH)
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The U.S. Army did not have to rape anyone. Things were extremely...voluntary.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 20, 2015 02:21 PM (xq1UY)
LOL.
It is sort of ridiculous to act as if war is the only way for genes to get comingled...
Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 20, 2015 02:21 PM (xq1UY)
LOL.
It is sort of ridiculous to act as if war is the only way for genes to get comingled...
Posted by: Lea at November 20, 2015 02:23 PM (lIU4e)
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OBAMA IS FUNNY BECAUSE HE'S AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT WHO HATES WHITE AMERICANS.
Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at November 20, 2015 02:06 PM (E5UB0)
FIFY
Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at November 20, 2015 02:06 PM (E5UB0)
FIFY
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 20, 2015 02:23 PM (jJRIy)
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well I think the public is waking up
Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2015 02:23 PM (zOTsN)
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It's not endearing, attractive or even topical or even obliquely related.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 20, 2015 02:06 PM (Xo1Rt)
I'll try to keep future discussions at a level you can understand.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 20, 2015 02:06 PM (Xo1Rt)
I'll try to keep future discussions at a level you can understand.
Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2015 02:24 PM (Zs4uk)
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The Searchlight Strangler says it's OK to let terror suspects in if we just pass solid gun control.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 20, 2015 02:24 PM (IWLe1)
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ThunberB, from a coma to a stupor?
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 20, 2015 02:24 PM (qY51H)
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I went and skimmed the anti-gun article at the Amateur Webzine Salon that was linked earlier and I can only pray someone tries to use those arguments with me.
I remember back when there were still some smart people on the Left. Their arguments could be subtle and clever. Those days are gone.
I remember back when there were still some smart people on the Left. Their arguments could be subtle and clever. Those days are gone.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at November 20, 2015 02:25 PM (evdj2)
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It is sort of ridiculous to act as if war is the only way for genes to get comingled...
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That's why they invented alcohol.
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That's why they invented alcohol.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 20, 2015 02:25 PM (IWLe1)
Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2015 02:25 PM (zOTsN)
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This whole rape thing is quite discombobbled.
Even if you wanted to allow it, you wouldn't want those troops back in the USA after. Seriously, that is the stupit. "Hey, Mom - we busted up a terrorist stronghold today, then I busted a nut in this shrieking woman! XXOO"
Even if you wanted to allow it, you wouldn't want those troops back in the USA after. Seriously, that is the stupit. "Hey, Mom - we busted up a terrorist stronghold today, then I busted a nut in this shrieking woman! XXOO"
Posted by: Bigby's Iron Fist at November 20, 2015 02:26 PM (3ZtZW)
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" redneck cis-het males "
Mary, I always appreciate your insightful and rational posts, in the midst of so many that, frankly, cannot aspire to such lofty and laudatory status.
However, bein' in Texas an' all, and said hinterlands bein' disconnected with the cuttin' edge of Progressive thought, is there a reason that y'all are bein' disinclusive? Why the H8 for cis-ho males? Jes' wonderin'.
Mary, I always appreciate your insightful and rational posts, in the midst of so many that, frankly, cannot aspire to such lofty and laudatory status.
However, bein' in Texas an' all, and said hinterlands bein' disconnected with the cuttin' edge of Progressive thought, is there a reason that y'all are bein' disinclusive? Why the H8 for cis-ho males? Jes' wonderin'.
Posted by: William-Robert at November 20, 2015 02:26 PM (nSW/N)
340
Tried to get into this Jessica Jones series but eh. Too much grunting and of course 90 lb women beating up big guys. On what planet does that happen?
Tried to get into this Jessica Jones series but eh. Too much grunting and of course 90 lb women beating up big guys. On what planet does that happen?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at November 20, 2015 02:27 PM (iQIUe)
341
Bigby,
Would wager that mr. rapey would sing a different tune if it one of the goatfuckers decided to mix his genes with mr. rapper's daughter, sis, or mom.
Would wager that mr. rapey would sing a different tune if it one of the goatfuckers decided to mix his genes with mr. rapper's daughter, sis, or mom.
Posted by: SMFH at November 20, 2015 02:28 PM (zyIlW)
342
The Mohammedan Arabs in Sudan use rape as a tool. They are all light skinned and they rape the black women, nine months later she has a half breed and it is obvious she was raped.
A Islamic calling card.
A Islamic calling card.
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 20, 2015 02:28 PM (jJRIy)
343
I'm convinced all the Hwd action stars are ghey:
Jeremy Remmer - gay
Mr. Bradley Cooper - gay
John Travolta - gay
and others whose names escapes me...
Definitely not Tom Cruise.
Jeremy Remmer - gay
Mr. Bradley Cooper - gay
John Travolta - gay
and others whose names escapes me...
Definitely not Tom Cruise.
Posted by: gewa76 at November 20, 2015 02:28 PM (S9rS1)
344
Obama is a cyst. On my butt.
Posted by: Mark at November 20, 2015 02:28 PM (E5UB0)
345
Nude Trump
Posted by: Grump928(c) at November 20, 2015 02:29 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2015 02:29 PM (zOTsN)
347
344
Obama is a cyst. Onmy the world's butt.
Posted by: Mark at November 20, 2015 02:28 PM (E5UB0)
FIFY
Obama is a cyst. On
Posted by: Mark at November 20, 2015 02:28 PM (E5UB0)
FIFY
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 20, 2015 02:30 PM (jJRIy)
348
Posted by: Moki at November 20, 2015 02:15 PM (7q2ch)
It's one of the reasons why "thank you for your service" can mean so much. They may not respond or smile but they do appreciate the recognition that even if they made it back alive, they sacrificed something and they did it for this nation and their comrades in arms.
For that to be acknowledged by someone else makes it slightly easier to bear whatever other burden they've taken on over their participation.
Don't feel stupid or remiss. It's not something people in the real world would even think about.
And if you have a friend or relative who has been there, then give them as much patience and tolerance as you can afford.
And remind them that you and others are appreciative.
It's one of the reasons why "thank you for your service" can mean so much. They may not respond or smile but they do appreciate the recognition that even if they made it back alive, they sacrificed something and they did it for this nation and their comrades in arms.
For that to be acknowledged by someone else makes it slightly easier to bear whatever other burden they've taken on over their participation.
Don't feel stupid or remiss. It's not something people in the real world would even think about.
And if you have a friend or relative who has been there, then give them as much patience and tolerance as you can afford.
And remind them that you and others are appreciative.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 20, 2015 02:30 PM (Xo1Rt)
349
327: "Not saying it will be easy but I think we can repair a lot of the damage if for no other reason than people will need us as a wedge against Russia."
But this would require time. A good president can't count on his successor(s) being rational and having at least a passing interest in America's welfare.
Fredo was elected TWICE. Our electorate has proven itself to be fickle and woefully uninformed.
Let's say for the sake of argument that the stars align, and we elect the reincarnation of Churchill. The TV watchers are just as likely to elect a Kardashian in the next cycle.
While I would hope to reverse what has been done, I think that Fredo is the proverbial crossing of the Rubicon.
Our future presidents are less and less likely to advance America's cause. Much less that of our allies.
But this would require time. A good president can't count on his successor(s) being rational and having at least a passing interest in America's welfare.
Fredo was elected TWICE. Our electorate has proven itself to be fickle and woefully uninformed.
Let's say for the sake of argument that the stars align, and we elect the reincarnation of Churchill. The TV watchers are just as likely to elect a Kardashian in the next cycle.
While I would hope to reverse what has been done, I think that Fredo is the proverbial crossing of the Rubicon.
Our future presidents are less and less likely to advance America's cause. Much less that of our allies.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 20, 2015 02:30 PM (UPYPp)
350
This is because Obama refuses to kill jihadi soldiers. He only is willing to kill leaders, because, well, if he didn't, we'd impeach him.
Hopefully this was a joke.
If not, could elaborate on who exactly would do this? Because I see no one in GOPe who would favor impeachment under any circumstances.
Hopefully this was a joke.
If not, could elaborate on who exactly would do this? Because I see no one in GOPe who would favor impeachment under any circumstances.
Posted by: baldur5 at November 20, 2015 02:30 PM (ferJ2)
351
I know you think you've seen stupid things before, but this stupid? And evil?
http://tinyurl.com/nv6q9su
P.S. We don't deserve to survive.
http://tinyurl.com/nv6q9su
P.S. We don't deserve to survive.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 20, 2015 02:31 PM (IWLe1)
352
database of dirt on political opponents okay-dokey
Posted by: sir Edmund Hillary at November 20, 2015 02:22 PM (7v/r5)
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Can you believe that our military is wasting resources tracking the number of pick-up trucks and other vehicles belonging to the enemy it destroys?
Not to mention, of course, that SCoaMF has only managed to take out 8 pick-ups in 2 years?
Patton would kill the MF in the Oval if he were still alive.
Posted by: sir Edmund Hillary at November 20, 2015 02:22 PM (7v/r5)
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Can you believe that our military is wasting resources tracking the number of pick-up trucks and other vehicles belonging to the enemy it destroys?
Not to mention, of course, that SCoaMF has only managed to take out 8 pick-ups in 2 years?
Patton would kill the MF in the Oval if he were still alive.
Posted by: SophieRo3 at November 20, 2015 02:32 PM (sc2t4)
353
well I think the public is waking up
Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2015 02:23 PM (zOTsN)
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We'll see. That's what we said just prior to November 2012.
Posted by: ThunderB at November 20, 2015 02:23 PM (zOTsN)
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We'll see. That's what we said just prior to November 2012.
Posted by: Soona at November 20, 2015 02:32 PM (Fmupd)
354
No no, Thunder b. No hard feelings towards you at all-I am very grateful you wrote that. It will certainly change how I lift up the troops from now on. : )
Posted by: Moki at November 20, 2015 02:32 PM (7q2ch)
355
Who said it, years ago? "No matter what stinking shithole we send our boys to, I have faith in the ability of American fighting men to marry the local girls and bring them home."
Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 20, 2015 02:32 PM (xq1UY)
356
The west is so mentally castrated and masochistic, that if they invaded and raped Islamic women, they'd all end up converting to Islam.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 20, 2015 02:33 PM (E5UB0)
357
@340
Haven't yet seen the Jessica Jones series myself. But in the comicbooks (and based on the trailer, I suspect in the Netflix series itself) she has superpowers. So you can handwave away the fact that she's beating up guys twice her size.
Jessica Jones was created as a character who had been a superhero in the past, but that had a particularly traumatizing incident that made her quit. Based on the trailer, it appears that the background for the series is similar.
Haven't yet seen the Jessica Jones series myself. But in the comicbooks (and based on the trailer, I suspect in the Netflix series itself) she has superpowers. So you can handwave away the fact that she's beating up guys twice her size.
Jessica Jones was created as a character who had been a superhero in the past, but that had a particularly traumatizing incident that made her quit. Based on the trailer, it appears that the background for the series is similar.
Posted by: junior at November 20, 2015 02:33 PM (PVi+Q)
358
I think they are waking up somewhat. After Obama's stupid speech in Turkey his approval rating weren't down a couple of days, and a lot of people have called their Governors or Congresspeople. Hopefully they'll keep waking up.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 20, 2015 02:34 PM (No/ki)
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Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 20, 2015 02:18 PM (UPYPp)
It's no better than any other Democracy. It's more striking because the world depended on us for so long and we stood up for so long.
So now they know our system has flaws. But I believe we can recover from these Obama years.
It will take great effort and a special person to both inspire the Nation and our ex-allies into believing we can be relied on.
Plus we must come through with the goods. Can the American people put a stop to the PC crap and the traitorous Democrats and liberal media? That's the real question?
It's no better than any other Democracy. It's more striking because the world depended on us for so long and we stood up for so long.
So now they know our system has flaws. But I believe we can recover from these Obama years.
It will take great effort and a special person to both inspire the Nation and our ex-allies into believing we can be relied on.
Plus we must come through with the goods. Can the American people put a stop to the PC crap and the traitorous Democrats and liberal media? That's the real question?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 20, 2015 02:35 PM (Xo1Rt)
360
Lizzy
Captives would work. I was trying to think of the word that the government uses when they say we will not negotiate with terrorists for the release of ...
But then the image of that asshat Bergdahl flits in for a squirrel moment.
Captives would work. I was trying to think of the word that the government uses when they say we will not negotiate with terrorists for the release of ...
But then the image of that asshat Bergdahl flits in for a squirrel moment.
Posted by: Usedtocould at November 20, 2015 02:35 PM (bYwuM)
361
An air campaign (not an air "war") can be successful by transforming the enemy's territory into a prairie dog town.
The inhabitants must be convinced that if they raise their heads above the rim of their hole, it will be separated from their bodies in a fine red mist. This has the salubrious effect of limiting the prairie dog's freedom of movement which in turn limits his ability to sustain himself or conduct offensive operations. He is then only interested in hiding.
Once you have achieved this state, you send your ferrets down the prairie dog holes. Preferably with flamethrowers.
I'm stretching the analogy a bit. Once the air campaign successfully fixes the enemy and takes the initiative away, you follow up with merciless ground operations. Hit him, hit him, then hit him again. Don't worry about taking and holding ground longer than you need it to kill the bastards, then leave. No "Pottery Barn " rules. These are called "raids". We used to do them. Quite well.
It's a shame that we don't have any ground forces based in the area close enough to conduct these operations, like maybe, oh I don't know, just spitballing here, Iraq. Gee, maybe we should have considered leaving a residual force with an operating base there. It's a shame nobody thought about it at the time.
The inhabitants must be convinced that if they raise their heads above the rim of their hole, it will be separated from their bodies in a fine red mist. This has the salubrious effect of limiting the prairie dog's freedom of movement which in turn limits his ability to sustain himself or conduct offensive operations. He is then only interested in hiding.
Once you have achieved this state, you send your ferrets down the prairie dog holes. Preferably with flamethrowers.
I'm stretching the analogy a bit. Once the air campaign successfully fixes the enemy and takes the initiative away, you follow up with merciless ground operations. Hit him, hit him, then hit him again. Don't worry about taking and holding ground longer than you need it to kill the bastards, then leave. No "Pottery Barn " rules. These are called "raids". We used to do them. Quite well.
It's a shame that we don't have any ground forces based in the area close enough to conduct these operations, like maybe, oh I don't know, just spitballing here, Iraq. Gee, maybe we should have considered leaving a residual force with an operating base there. It's a shame nobody thought about it at the time.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at November 20, 2015 02:35 PM (J0jXd)
362
Let's say for the sake of argument that the stars align, and we elect the reincarnation of Churchill. The TV watchers are just as likely to elect a Kardashian in the next cycle.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 20, 2015 02:30 PM (UPYPp)
The British voters elected socialist Clement Atlee a few months after VE Day in 1945
So yeh, very likely
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 20, 2015 02:30 PM (UPYPp)
The British voters elected socialist Clement Atlee a few months after VE Day in 1945
So yeh, very likely
Posted by: kbdabear at November 20, 2015 02:36 PM (GrXXa)
363
I know you think you've seen stupid things before, but this stupid? And evil?
http://tinyurl.com/nv6q9su
P.S. We don't deserve to survive.
Posted by: The Great White Snark
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If they were stabbed to death and witnessed their family being stabbed to death in front of them by jihadis, their dying breath would be a tear filled apology for being western caucasians. I wish they'd just go to the middle east, or drown themselves.
http://tinyurl.com/nv6q9su
P.S. We don't deserve to survive.
Posted by: The Great White Snark
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If they were stabbed to death and witnessed their family being stabbed to death in front of them by jihadis, their dying breath would be a tear filled apology for being western caucasians. I wish they'd just go to the middle east, or drown themselves.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 20, 2015 02:36 PM (E5UB0)
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Posted by: jwest at November 20, 2015 02:24 PM (Zs4uk)
Oh, GFY. It's very easy to understand a juvenile mind such as yours. You want attention so you shit on the floor so mommy will pick you up.
I was trying to treat you as an adult.
My mistake.
Oh, GFY. It's very easy to understand a juvenile mind such as yours. You want attention so you shit on the floor so mommy will pick you up.
I was trying to treat you as an adult.
My mistake.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 20, 2015 02:37 PM (Xo1Rt)
365
For the vast majority of time, one of the primary reasons for war was the mingling of genetics.
War as a way of stealing women is known among some surviving stone-age-type tribes. Apart from that, I can't think of any evidence to support that assertion.
War as a way of stealing women is known among some surviving stone-age-type tribes. Apart from that, I can't think of any evidence to support that assertion.
Posted by: Grey Fox at November 20, 2015 02:39 PM (bZ7mE)
366
"That was a brilliant move. Why the hell can't we have a leader who would do something like that.
Talk about hearts and minds, what's better than a dadgone puppy?????"
Dog: it's what for dinner!!
Talk about hearts and minds, what's better than a dadgone puppy?????"
Dog: it's what for dinner!!
Posted by: Barky at November 20, 2015 02:40 PM (cHuNI)
367
And if you want to talk about your oath of office, I'm here to tell you face to face, President Obama, that you violated that oath when you stripped this country of its muscles - when you deliberately played upon the fear and fatigue of the people and told them they could remove that fear by the stroke of a pen. And then when this nation rejected you, lost faith in you, and began militantly to oppose you, you violated that oath by not resigning from office and turning the country over to someone who could represent the people of the United States.
Posted by: Gen. James Mattoon Scott at November 20, 2015 02:41 PM (FkBIv)
368
His speech and his policies were soooo fucking bad that Feinstein had to hobble up to the mike to refute them both. And the republicans grabbed the " I will let in more Syrians refugees" like a dog on liver snaps. Slow or stop the flow. But refocus the discussion on the dangerous shitshow that is his foreign policy, not checking whether the guys coming over the border are helmets or anteaters for fucks sake. The republicans are snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory with this shit.
Posted by: Mac at November 20, 2015 02:41 PM (0J18b)
369
I am just sitting here waiting for the shit to hit the fan in this country again.
Posted by: Can I Start Shooting Now? at November 20, 2015 02:44 PM (2xbUR)
370
it was actually psychologically tough on some of the pilots
killing someone changes the person doing the killing too
Yeah, it is. And while its awful to do, sometimes it has to be done. imagine how much horror could have been prevented just by obliterating the rest of Hussein's retreating forces?
This is argument number A1 up front and center why I am and always will be opposed to women in combat. Period. Bad enough we have to expose men to this horror, but women? No civilized, moral, and just society would do so. That's just evil on top of evil.
Incidentally, ideology has driven people into more wars than almost anything else. Its not just resources or national pride. Nationalism is a good thing.
killing someone changes the person doing the killing too
Yeah, it is. And while its awful to do, sometimes it has to be done. imagine how much horror could have been prevented just by obliterating the rest of Hussein's retreating forces?
This is argument number A1 up front and center why I am and always will be opposed to women in combat. Period. Bad enough we have to expose men to this horror, but women? No civilized, moral, and just society would do so. That's just evil on top of evil.
Incidentally, ideology has driven people into more wars than almost anything else. Its not just resources or national pride. Nationalism is a good thing.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 20, 2015 02:44 PM (39g3+)
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249 "I think that Fredo is the proverbial crossing of the Rubicon."
Hey, let's watch the metaphors!
Hey, let's watch the metaphors!
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 20, 2015 02:48 PM (5f5bM)
372
Jessica Jones is a virtually unknown character only recently introduced into comics despite much more interesting characters that could have been used (like Misty Knight). I have no concept why they chose her for the next TV show. But yeah, she has super strength and durability. Not sure what else. Don't really care.
Killgrave is The Purple Man, he's been in comics for quite a while and he's awful. He has a phereomone-based mind control that's incredibly powerful and difficult to resist even briefly, and no morals to go with it.
Killgrave is The Purple Man, he's been in comics for quite a while and he's awful. He has a phereomone-based mind control that's incredibly powerful and difficult to resist even briefly, and no morals to go with it.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 20, 2015 02:50 PM (39g3+)
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I guess the reason we never bombed the ISIS convoys speeding down the empty desert roads is fear of being scolded by the NY Times then?
Speaking of turkey shoots...
Speaking of turkey shoots...
Posted by: Barky at November 20, 2015 02:52 PM (cHuNI)
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I guess the reason we never bombed the ISIS convoys speeding down the
empty desert roads is fear of being scolded by the NY Times then?
Speaking of turkey shoots...
They would be so easy to hit it would make it would make Bill hitting Monica look like a joke.
I guess the reason we never bombed the ISIS convoys speeding down the
empty desert roads is fear of being scolded by the NY Times then?
Speaking of turkey shoots...
They would be so easy to hit it would make it would make Bill hitting Monica look like a joke.
Posted by: Can I Start Shooting Now? at November 20, 2015 02:58 PM (2xbUR)
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SECRETARY OF STATE JOHN KERRY: We're confident that if we stay steady, and our heads in thinking creatively but also being strog and committed to our fundamental value, we're going to defeat Daesh. We began our fight against al-Qaeda in 2001 and it took us quite a few years before we were able to eliminate Osama bin Laden and their leasership and neutralize them as an effective force. So hopefully we will be able to do Daesh much faster than that.
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at November 20, 2015 03:15 PM (e8kgV)
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I'm not so sure you could claim Kosovo as a victory by air. I think it took around 78 days of bombing before the Serbs quite. A lot of people were slaughtered in that time. I also remember reading most of the Serb military equipment we thought we hit were decoys. I might be wrong but I think it was the targeting of civil structures like power stations(with carbon fibers to short them out) that ended the war. It probably would have ended much sooner if we had a credible threat of a ground offensive.
Posted by: beck at November 20, 2015 03:29 PM (NiqFf)
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Since ISIS has no air force or even effective antiaircraft weapons, it would be appropriate to use C-130s to carry ordnance against them. A C-130 can carry a payload of 42,000 pounds 1000 nautical miles. It should be relatively straight forward to design a bomb that will fit into the cargo container of a C-130 and that will make use of all of that carrying capacity. OK, I admit that 21 tons of explosive is not quite nuclear weapon territory. Even the Hiroshima bomb was a couple of orders of magnitude larger. Still, we have plenty of C-130s.
Send enough to hit all the ISIS controlled cities and towns at the same time. For those cities that are large enough that it will take more than one 21 ton bomb to turn it into a smoking crater, send as many as it takes. Demonstrate that the United States also knows how to perform time coordinated attacks by hitting all their cities at the same time.
But what about all the innocent victims? Our moral superiors in the media and the progressive pundits have been explaining that all the innocent victims are somewhere on the road to Germany by now so, presumably everybody in those towns is supportive of the ISIS agenda.
If you want to dress it up with extra goodness, send a wave of UAVs out to kill anybody on the roads traveling between the ISIS controlled towns at the same time.
That is how you win an air war.
Send enough to hit all the ISIS controlled cities and towns at the same time. For those cities that are large enough that it will take more than one 21 ton bomb to turn it into a smoking crater, send as many as it takes. Demonstrate that the United States also knows how to perform time coordinated attacks by hitting all their cities at the same time.
But what about all the innocent victims? Our moral superiors in the media and the progressive pundits have been explaining that all the innocent victims are somewhere on the road to Germany by now so, presumably everybody in those towns is supportive of the ISIS agenda.
If you want to dress it up with extra goodness, send a wave of UAVs out to kill anybody on the roads traveling between the ISIS controlled towns at the same time.
That is how you win an air war.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at November 20, 2015 03:30 PM (QHgTq)
378
Surprised Gaylord is even allowing them to blow up outhouses* with expensive smart munitions.
* 100 Quatloos to anyone who gets the reference.
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 20, 2015 02:21 PM (qY51H)
That boy's learned well from the master...me.
* 100 Quatloos to anyone who gets the reference.
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 20, 2015 02:21 PM (qY51H)
That boy's learned well from the master...me.
Posted by: Zombie Lyndon B. Johnson at November 20, 2015 03:40 PM (cL79m)
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"War as a way of stealing women is known among some
surviving stone-age-type tribes. Apart from that, I can't think of any
evidence to support that assertion.
Posted by: Grey Fox at November 20, 2015 02:39 PM (bZ7mE)"
Check out what the Koran says about treating defeated people and consider how those directives are applied by ISIS today. Now consider what demographic is involved in most of the armed conflict in the world today.
surviving stone-age-type tribes. Apart from that, I can't think of any
evidence to support that assertion.
Posted by: Grey Fox at November 20, 2015 02:39 PM (bZ7mE)"
Check out what the Koran says about treating defeated people and consider how those directives are applied by ISIS today. Now consider what demographic is involved in most of the armed conflict in the world today.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at November 20, 2015 04:41 PM (QHgTq)
380
Obama is an exalted one all right. He's the Great Grand Supreme Poobah of Assholery. Can't get higher than that now, can you?
Posted by: Comanche Voter at November 20, 2015 05:02 PM (Sda6L)
381
Ace, I have to slightly disagree with you here.
As someone who does this work FOR A LIVING, as a civilian, we DO strike 'normal' guys. Not just HVT/HVI's.
We hit supplies- we hit bus loads of terrorists- we hit individual trucks. In fact, one recently (not seen in the news) went up in a mushroom cloud of debris it was so full of explosive. And that was just from a 500lb drop!
Could we do more? yeah. easily. But the press won't let us.
As someone who does this work FOR A LIVING, as a civilian, we DO strike 'normal' guys. Not just HVT/HVI's.
We hit supplies- we hit bus loads of terrorists- we hit individual trucks. In fact, one recently (not seen in the news) went up in a mushroom cloud of debris it was so full of explosive. And that was just from a 500lb drop!
Could we do more? yeah. easily. But the press won't let us.
Posted by: Mr Wolf at November 20, 2015 05:28 PM (rD+jq)
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We launched a ground invasion into Kosovo is how we won. The Serbians just left when they saw NATO troops cross the border. Media failed to report it. Nor did the media report when the Albanians drove out the native Serbs through terror, murder and rape while NATO troops protected them during the occupation. There was a mass ethnic cleansing that went on there that the US is complicate in.
Posted by: BipBop at November 20, 2015 05:50 PM (7us0J)
383
The complicit media is just as culpable as the POS-in-chief. ISIS went essentially uncovered until ISIS starting beheading reporters. Then it became an issue. If we stripped Obama of his Secret Service protection, so he's just like the rest of us, he would view terrorism differently. When a bunch of reporters die, they'll start questioning the POS' cowardice and incompetence.
Posted by: macleod at November 20, 2015 06:38 PM (Qf5bp)
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maybe if we used B-52s to drop a lot of small to medium bombs, like in VietNam, instead the Big One, an air war could win in the Middle East. I don't remember a lot of vegetation in Iraq, and Syria isn't much better.
Or we could do like my 95 yr old grandfather (4 combat jumps!) says: turn it all into a sheet of green glass with a few spigots to let the oil out.
Or we could do like my 95 yr old grandfather (4 combat jumps!) says: turn it all into a sheet of green glass with a few spigots to let the oil out.
Posted by: J. Locke at November 20, 2015 06:40 PM (AeqWm)
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So just about the only thing missing from Obama's ISIS bombing campaign are janitors and aspirin factories?
Can't he check that classified info out from the Hillary and Bill Library?
Or something...
Can't he check that classified info out from the Hillary and Bill Library?
Or something...
Posted by: Seipherd at November 20, 2015 11:28 PM (ZdUoV)
386
he is playing for the other team
Posted by: torabora at November 21, 2015 12:54 AM (wv6rU)
387
I'm late to this topic but I'll point it out anyway as someone that was deployed over to Croatia in 94 and kept up with everything afterwards. No Air power did not win in Kosovo it was the threat of Ground Forces being put in and Russia saying "nope not going to back you if NATO puts in Ground Forces" that won.
Posted by: boballab at November 21, 2015 07:13 AM (R9oKB)
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http://www.mikefrancesa.com/wordpress/?p=3708
I could not believe that Colonel Steve Warren admitted that the Obama administration had not bombed the oil trucks because they did not want to kill any innocent truck drivers. This Colonel was actually proud that they dropped leaflets and tried to "shoo them away", nobody wants to see innocent people killed in a war which is why you try to win and end the war with such devastating force that is is over with quickly and decisively.
But I am sure that many here were surprised as we watched ISIS roll from Iraqi town and city to the next one with long caravans of tanks/trucks and black flags and sat in wonderment as to why in the hell those caravans could not have been carpet bombed.
And the ISIS savagery was in full view from the beginning.
I could not believe that Colonel Steve Warren admitted that the Obama administration had not bombed the oil trucks because they did not want to kill any innocent truck drivers. This Colonel was actually proud that they dropped leaflets and tried to "shoo them away", nobody wants to see innocent people killed in a war which is why you try to win and end the war with such devastating force that is is over with quickly and decisively.
But I am sure that many here were surprised as we watched ISIS roll from Iraqi town and city to the next one with long caravans of tanks/trucks and black flags and sat in wonderment as to why in the hell those caravans could not have been carpet bombed.
And the ISIS savagery was in full view from the beginning.
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Paul Anka Haiku Contest Announcement
Integrity SAT's: Entrance Exam for Paul Anka's Band
AllahPundit's Paul Anka 45's Collection
AnkaPundit: Paul Anka Takes Over the Site for a Weekend (Continues through to Monday's postings)
George Bush Slices Don Rumsfeld Like an F*ckin' Hammer
Paul Anka Haiku Contest Announcement
Integrity SAT's: Entrance Exam for Paul Anka's Band
AllahPundit's Paul Anka 45's Collection
AnkaPundit: Paul Anka Takes Over the Site for a Weekend (Continues through to Monday's postings)
George Bush Slices Don Rumsfeld Like an F*ckin' Hammer
Top Top Tens
Democratic Forays into Erotica
New Shows On Gore's DNC/MTV Network
Nicknames for Potatoes, By People Who Really Hate Potatoes
Star Wars Euphemisms for Self-Abuse
Signs You're at an Iraqi "Wedding Party"
Signs Your Clown Has Gone Bad
Signs That You, Geroge Michael, Should Probably Just Give It Up
Signs of Hip-Hop Influence on John Kerry
NYT Headlines Spinning Bush's Jobs Boom
Things People Are More Likely to Say Than "Did You Hear What Al Franken Said Yesterday?"
Signs that Paul Krugman Has Lost His Frickin' Mind
All-Time Best NBA Players, According to Senator Robert Byrd
Other Bad Things About the Jews, According to the Koran
Signs That David Letterman Just Doesn't Care Anymore
Examples of Bob Kerrey's Insufferable Racial Jackassery
Signs Andy Rooney Is Going Senile
Other Judgments Dick Clarke Made About Condi Rice Based on Her Appearance
Collective Names for Groups of People
John Kerry's Other Vietnam Super-Pets
Cool Things About the XM8 Assault Rifle
Media-Approved Facts About the Democrat Spy
Changes to Make Christianity More "Inclusive"
Secret John Kerry Senatorial Accomplishments
John Edwards Campaign Excuses
John Kerry Pick-Up Lines
Changes Liberal Senator George Michell Will Make at Disney
Torments in Dog-Hell
Greatest Hitjobs
The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
News/Chat