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If Only A Proven, Conservative Governor Were Running For The GOP Nomination. Oh Wait, There Is.
The estimable Dan McLaughlin (aka @Baseballcrank) would like a few minutes of your time to remind you there's someone running who checks off damn near all the boxes conservatives always say they are looking for.
Bobby Jindal.Jindal has stood for both conservative principle and conservative practice, in ways both substantive and symbolic, across many other areas beyond the budget, often taking on difficult uphill fights. He refused to form a state Obamacare exchange or expand Medicaid, choices many other Governors are now wishing they had made. In the immediate aftermath of the 2012 election, he promoted a new idea – defusing fights over government-funded birth control by selling the birth control pill over the counter to reduce its cost – which has since been adopted by many Republican candidates and provided the blueprint for Sen. Cory Gardner (R-CO) 64%‘s victory in Colorado over the “War on Women” campaign waged by Mark Udall. ... Jindal isn’t just running on record and rhetoric; he’s also running on the most detailed policy agenda of any candidate in the race. Early last year, he rolled out a thorough alternative to Obamacare – a distinctly better and more comprehensive plan than anything produced by his rivals, and on which none of his opponents has yet taken up his challenge for a one-on-one healthcare debate. He’s proposed a forward-looking energy plan, a pro-growth tax plan that would abolish the corporate tax and slash rates, a choice-based education plan modeled on his Louisiana reforms, a plan to rebuild and reorient our national defense, and a plan to crack down hard on “sanctuary cities” that try to nullify federal immigration law. Like Rubio and Cruz, Jindal is a son of immigrants who understands both the immigrant experience and the American Dream; he has been insistent that with the blessings of immigration comes a responsibility to assimilate into American culture. Jindal’s record in Louisiana demonstrates vividly that he will go to the mat for all these proposals.There's more. A lot more. Dan's a lawyer and he makes a strong and comprehensive case for his client here. Take some time and read it all. Yes, Jindal is a long shot at this point. And yes, you will find things you disagree with but on balance I think it will be hard to find a candidate that combines experience and a willingness to take on the entrenched powers (in the party and the government) than Jindal.
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Unelectable. He's a nerd and sounds like Kermit the Frog. Next.
Posted by: Your GOPe Betters at November 13, 2015 11:21 AM (/WWMI)
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Well, hello.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 13, 2015 11:21 AM (B8JRQ)
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I like Jindal.
Posted by: Jane at November 13, 2015 11:21 AM (rDidp)
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And he makes a damned good Cherry Slushy.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2015 11:21 AM (Zu3d9)
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Jindal thinks H-1B is just a dandy program. He doesn't get my vote.
Posted by: Rusty at November 13, 2015 11:21 AM (0XeMZ)
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I don't really understand the point of your column. I was a Jindal supporter from the beginning, but even I admit he has no chance whatsoever.
Posted by: pep at November 13, 2015 11:23 AM (GMG6W)
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What's his position on poopstikas?
Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2015 11:24 AM (/tuJf)
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I like Jindal. But he has yet to get any traction.
Posted by: maddogg at November 13, 2015 11:25 AM (xWW96)
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Why bother? The Trump trolls are going to say he's a sellout RINO.
Posted by: Naes at November 13, 2015 11:25 AM (Ypc8j)
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He'll make a great VP for President Cruz.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at November 13, 2015 11:25 AM (HMt16)
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Unfortunately I don't believe Jindal would win the Louisiana primary if the feedback I get from my Louisiana contacts are accurate. He's not very popular there right now.
Posted by: Hollywood Network at November 13, 2015 11:26 AM (Z+ic4)
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What's his position on poopstikas?
Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2015 11:24 AM (/tuJf)
******
Wide stance.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2015 11:24 AM (/tuJf)
******
Wide stance.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at November 13, 2015 11:26 AM (dt+4+)
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What do you mean by "real Indian"?
Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at November 13, 2015 11:26 AM (3GAnN)
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I've said it for over a year...Jindal is the best candidate out there today.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 13, 2015 11:27 AM (r65B3)
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A pessimist would say this proves that conservative principles simply can't win in a national election in this country anymore. But we all know Drew is a sunny optimist so that can't be it.
(noodge, noodge)
(noodge, noodge)
Posted by: pep at November 13, 2015 11:27 AM (GMG6W)
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Does he have the Big Iron on his hip?
Posted by: RoyalOil at November 13, 2015 11:27 AM (fQ/0p)
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No problems with Jindal. But I think his space is being occupied by Christie as the "governor hanging around waiting for the front runners to flame out."
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 13, 2015 11:27 AM (OD2ni)
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"Unfortunately I don't believe Jindal would win the Louisiana primary if the feedback I get from my Louisiana contacts are accurate. He's not very popular there right now."
Why?
Why?
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 13, 2015 11:28 AM (OD2ni)
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Unfortunately I don't believe Jindal would win the Louisiana primary if the feedback I get from my Louisiana contacts are accurate. He's not very popular there right now.
Posted by: Hollywood Network at November 13, 2015 11:26 AM (Z+ic4)
*****
Yep. Reports from those in LA about him are.....not good.
Posted by: Hollywood Network at November 13, 2015 11:26 AM (Z+ic4)
*****
Yep. Reports from those in LA about him are.....not good.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at November 13, 2015 11:28 AM (P+A3Q)
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# 11
That is correct
That is correct
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at November 13, 2015 11:29 AM (QPdNE)
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At this point what we most need is a guy who can overpower the media and fight the SocJus culture.
Trump is good at this. Carson does a good job as well (and as an added bonus wants to turn the DoE into an organization to defund universities).
Trump is good at this. Carson does a good job as well (and as an added bonus wants to turn the DoE into an organization to defund universities).
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 13, 2015 11:29 AM (7aYhc)
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not gonna happen
if Trump manages to shave off 1-2 percent of Carsons support in Iowa, he wins
GOPe change Florida to winner take all expecting a Jeb coronation. Not gonna happen. Trump leads by a mile in Florida
Trump leads by a mile in New Hampshire
I want Cruz, but the Gope and their new rules have made conditions very good for Trump
the irony is Huuuuuugggggeeeee
not gonna happen
if Trump manages to shave off 1-2 percent of Carsons support in Iowa, he wins
GOPe change Florida to winner take all expecting a Jeb coronation. Not gonna happen. Trump leads by a mile in Florida
Trump leads by a mile in New Hampshire
I want Cruz, but the Gope and their new rules have made conditions very good for Trump
the irony is Huuuuuugggggeeeee
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2015 11:29 AM (zOTsN)
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>>Unfortunately I don't believe Jindal would win the Louisiana primary if the feedback I get from my Louisiana contacts are accurate. He's not very popular there right now.
I've heard that, anybody no why? I like what Jindal says but like a lot of people don't see him catching fire.
I've heard that, anybody no why? I like what Jindal says but like a lot of people don't see him catching fire.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2015 11:29 AM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Bigby's Swastika-Wiping Finger at November 13, 2015 11:30 AM (3ZtZW)
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Is ANY Republican in the field electable? And if not who must be the sacrificial candidate?
Posted by: righter at November 13, 2015 11:31 AM (hfN+i)
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Bobby Jindal would make a great conservative President, but is anyone really going to make the case that Bobby Jindal could actually win a General Election?
He's one of the most unpopular Governors in the country, and Louisiana is now a pretty conservative state, Romney won there by nearly 20 points.
I feel the same way about Cruz, no question he's probably the best "on paper" but I have zero doubt he'll lose handily if he's the nominee.
He's one of the most unpopular Governors in the country, and Louisiana is now a pretty conservative state, Romney won there by nearly 20 points.
I feel the same way about Cruz, no question he's probably the best "on paper" but I have zero doubt he'll lose handily if he's the nominee.
Posted by: Coolio at November 13, 2015 11:31 AM (VjX9z)
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The smartest guy in the room, or on the stage.
Someone here made a compelling case that he's a huge nerd and they're probably right. The country's too dumb to elect someone like him because most of the tards can't see beyond what someone looks like. On the other hand Hillary! looks like shit, but she's promising free gifts and has a vag so there's that.
Someone here made a compelling case that he's a huge nerd and they're probably right. The country's too dumb to elect someone like him because most of the tards can't see beyond what someone looks like. On the other hand Hillary! looks like shit, but she's promising free gifts and has a vag so there's that.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 13, 2015 11:31 AM (4ErVI)
Posted by: Chief Crazy Horse at November 13, 2015 11:31 AM (OiFtZ)
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the GOPe is now hoping for Rubio
but I can actually foresee a moment when GOPe is forced to turn to Cruz to save them from Trump
and if they don't they are doomed
but I can actually foresee a moment when GOPe is forced to turn to Cruz to save them from Trump
and if they don't they are doomed
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2015 11:31 AM (zOTsN)
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Damn! Missed the artwork thread.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 13, 2015 11:32 AM (n22zQ)
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I think the most we can hope for with Jindal is someone putting him charge of a federal agency that needs the wrecking ball treatment. And frankly he could run almost any one of them and turn it into dust.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 13, 2015 11:32 AM (4ErVI)
Posted by: Lizzy "Two Dogs Fucking" Warren at November 13, 2015 11:33 AM (OiFtZ)
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Interesting link from HA.
http://tinyurl.com/pfhkwdv
The upshot is that the party bigwigs are baffled by Trump / Carson, and starting to panic, as it sinks in that one of them just might win the nom. They really can't figure it out.
Here's a clue, geniuses. When you ignore repeated, very passionate warnings from your base, in favor of doing things that disadvantage them but advantage you, nobody wants to hear from you anymore. Questions?
http://tinyurl.com/pfhkwdv
The upshot is that the party bigwigs are baffled by Trump / Carson, and starting to panic, as it sinks in that one of them just might win the nom. They really can't figure it out.
Here's a clue, geniuses. When you ignore repeated, very passionate warnings from your base, in favor of doing things that disadvantage them but advantage you, nobody wants to hear from you anymore. Questions?
Posted by: pep at November 13, 2015 11:33 AM (GMG6W)
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The GOPe wants the primary process for selecting the presidential candidate to work like the fucking sham they did for the Speaker of the House. Oh sure, you're allowed to have your preferred candidate run for the position and even get some votes, but unless its one of their preferred lapdogs coming out on top they are going to throw a tantrum and stop it until all you backwards stupid voters agree to choose one of the choices they want you to and not someone else.
Posted by: buzzion at November 13, 2015 11:34 AM (zt+N6)
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>>but I can actually foresee a moment when GOPe is forced to turn to Cruz to save them from Trump
>>and if they don't they are doomed
Huh? Trump is hardly a prohibitive favorite right now and his assault, and that's exactly what it was, on Carson is probably not going to play well with the evangelicals in Iowa.
And Rubio is ahead of Cruz in most polls. Why would the GOP throw their support to a guy who does nothing but kick them in the balls?
Trump and Cruz are going after the same slice which is not the GOP establishment.
>>and if they don't they are doomed
Huh? Trump is hardly a prohibitive favorite right now and his assault, and that's exactly what it was, on Carson is probably not going to play well with the evangelicals in Iowa.
And Rubio is ahead of Cruz in most polls. Why would the GOP throw their support to a guy who does nothing but kick them in the balls?
Trump and Cruz are going after the same slice which is not the GOP establishment.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2015 11:34 AM (/tuJf)
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Enough of this attention to only the front runners, what about Pataki for crying out loud?
Posted by: Tennesee Ernie Fard at November 13, 2015 11:36 AM (3myMJ)
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I love how left wing campus agitators feel vindicated by a shit swastika. Slate is basically like "Ha! Take that conservative media! There really was a shit swastika!" Oh yeah. You really showed us.
Posted by: Naes at November 13, 2015 11:37 AM (Ypc8j)
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I love Bobby Jindal (in a totally platonic way) and would vote for him with gusto.
Posted by: redbanzai at November 13, 2015 11:38 AM (OrI3J)
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Funny how Trump's enthusiasm for single payer healthcare gets ignored but people nitpick the other candidates to death. Trump criticized Romney's self deportation stance as too mean spirited? Who cares? Now he claims he'll send out armed deportation teams.
But Trump is sticking it to the GOP establishment. Just like Debbie Wasserman Schultz but with slightly better hair.
But Trump is sticking it to the GOP establishment. Just like Debbie Wasserman Schultz but with slightly better hair.
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at November 13, 2015 11:39 AM (TxwYX)
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Huh? Trump is hardly a prohibitive favorite right now and his assault, and that's exactly what it was, on Carson is probably not going to play well with the evangelicals in Iowa.
But his comments on 'Mizzou' make up for it.
But his comments on 'Mizzou' make up for it.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 13, 2015 11:39 AM (7aYhc)
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37 I love how left wing campus agitators feel vindicated by a shit swastika. Slate is basically like "Ha! Take that conservative media! There really was a shit swastika!" Oh yeah. You really showed us.
Posted by: Naes at November 13, 2015 11:37 AM (Ypc8j)
If it had been a cross they would be crowing about its artistic beauty and demand that it not be cleaned up.
Posted by: Naes at November 13, 2015 11:37 AM (Ypc8j)
If it had been a cross they would be crowing about its artistic beauty and demand that it not be cleaned up.
Posted by: buzzion at November 13, 2015 11:39 AM (zt+N6)
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according to the Real Clear Politics average, Truml leads Carson by half a percent in Iowa. If he manages to get a couple of percent of Carsons voter to vote for someone else, anybody else, Trump wins Iowa
Trump leads in Florida by a mile and has nearly double the support of Carson in New Hampshire
Rubio and Cruz are tied in New Hampshire and more or less tied nationally
Trump easily out polls Rubio. If you want to appeal to the Trump voter, and not be stuck with Trump, Cruz is your man. Not Rubio
Trump leads in Florida by a mile and has nearly double the support of Carson in New Hampshire
Rubio and Cruz are tied in New Hampshire and more or less tied nationally
Trump easily out polls Rubio. If you want to appeal to the Trump voter, and not be stuck with Trump, Cruz is your man. Not Rubio
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2015 11:39 AM (zOTsN)
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If it had been a cross they would be crowing about its artistic beauty and demand that it not be cleaned up.
Posted by: buzzion at November 13, 2015 11:39 AM (zt+N6)
And...seeing as how 87% of blacks self-identify as Christian you'd think THAT would be an actual insult.
Posted by: buzzion at November 13, 2015 11:39 AM (zt+N6)
And...seeing as how 87% of blacks self-identify as Christian you'd think THAT would be an actual insult.
Posted by: Tennesee Ernie Fard at November 13, 2015 11:41 AM (3myMJ)
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>>according to the Real Clear Politics average, Truml leads Carson by half a percent in Iowa. If he manages to get a couple of percent of Carsons voter to vote for someone else, anybody else, Trump wins Iowa
You could say the exact same thing about Carson.
>>Trump easily out polls Rubio. If you want to appeal to the Trump voter, and not be stuck with Trump, Cruz is your man. Not Rubio
I still want to see some indication that either Trump or Cruz has appeal beyond the base. I'm not interested in winning the primary and losing to Hillary. I want to win the whole thing. And while the claims that the public at large are just dying for an uber conservative are nice I've yet to see that backed with any actual data.
You could say the exact same thing about Carson.
>>Trump easily out polls Rubio. If you want to appeal to the Trump voter, and not be stuck with Trump, Cruz is your man. Not Rubio
I still want to see some indication that either Trump or Cruz has appeal beyond the base. I'm not interested in winning the primary and losing to Hillary. I want to win the whole thing. And while the claims that the public at large are just dying for an uber conservative are nice I've yet to see that backed with any actual data.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2015 11:43 AM (/tuJf)
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Doesn't Jindal have to get to the adult table first to demonstrate his awesomeness? What am I missing here?
Posted by: Puddin Head at November 13, 2015 11:43 AM (oDCMR)
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39 Wasn't he a registered Democrat until like 2010? Let me guess: his excuse is that he's from NY and it's such a blue state there's no point in voting Republican (the non-existent irrelevant party that happens to control the state senate).
Posted by: Naes at November 13, 2015 11:43 AM (Ypc8j)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2015 11:43 AM (gf8BH)
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Jindal would be great if he looked like Rick Perry and talked like Marco Rubio. But alas, he does not.
He looks like the jr. high wimp.
And yes, Virginia, you do have to be able to retail politick.
He looks like the jr. high wimp.
And yes, Virginia, you do have to be able to retail politick.
Posted by: Wilford Brimley at November 13, 2015 11:44 AM (bNi5D)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at November 13, 2015 11:44 AM (HSmrB)
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It pains me to say it, but Indians of the Asian variety are the one ethnic group that it is okay to be universally disliked.
Posted by: ObjectionSustained at November 13, 2015 11:44 AM (OX/o7)
51
Anti-Israel Students Participating Million Student March Blame Zionists For CUNY Tuition Increases
Da Jooos!
Weasel Zippers
Da Jooos!
Weasel Zippers
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2015 11:45 AM (gf8BH)
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Jindal? Really?
THIS is the best you can do Drew?
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SERIOUSLY.
Why not write a post about a write-in campaign for Michael Dorn.
THIS is the best you can do Drew?
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SERIOUSLY.
Why not write a post about a write-in campaign for Michael Dorn.
Posted by: Bigby's Swastika-Wiping Finger at November 13, 2015 11:45 AM (3ZtZW)
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I still want to see some indication that either Trump or Cruz has appeal beyond the base. I'm not interested in winning the primary and losing to Hillary. I want to win the whole thing. And while the claims that the public at large are just dying for an uber conservative are nice I've yet to see that backed with any actual data.
Posted by: JackStraw
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All the data shows that Trump does the worst against Hillary than all the other nominees (some by double digits) but we keep hearing this fairy tale that all of these new magical voters are going to emerge from the shadows because of Trumps awsomeness.
Posted by: JackStraw
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All the data shows that Trump does the worst against Hillary than all the other nominees (some by double digits) but we keep hearing this fairy tale that all of these new magical voters are going to emerge from the shadows because of Trumps awsomeness.
Posted by: Coolio at November 13, 2015 11:45 AM (VjX9z)
Posted by: white males at November 13, 2015 11:45 AM (GMG6W)
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Jindal is one smart MFer. He became governor and his family doesn't own a single 7-11.
I denounce myself.
I denounce myself.
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2015 11:46 AM (jJRIy)
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Yes, Cruz is the Goldilocks candidate, not as scary as the insurgents, but acceptable to the base.
The country clubbers can hold their noses one time, can't they?
It's their turn.
The country clubbers can hold their noses one time, can't they?
It's their turn.
Posted by: Meremortal at November 13, 2015 11:46 AM (3myMJ)
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#46 Republican (the non-existent irrelevant party that happens to control the state senate).
Unfortunately, most of them are very liberal. But any thanks goes to us western NY'ers. Without us, the NYS Repub Party is nothing.
Unfortunately, most of them are very liberal. But any thanks goes to us western NY'ers. Without us, the NYS Repub Party is nothing.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at November 13, 2015 11:46 AM (HMt16)
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If Bobby Jindal were President he'd leave us a stronger, wealthier ... better ... country.
So of course he won't be.
So of course he won't be.
Posted by: John at November 13, 2015 11:47 AM (QolCq)
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if Jindal has that good a plan for replacing obamacare, let the next Repub Pres make him Sec of the Dep't of Health and Human Services. He could get legal opinions from Atty Gen Cruz and medical opinions from Surgeon General Carson.
See? Unity can be had, if you can get past "the devil is in the details."
Ha.
and re 37: so who done it? too many times a SJW turns out to be the culprit. but not this time, I'm sure. I almost wonder if the incident wasn't reported first and then someone went in and did the dirty deed.
See? Unity can be had, if you can get past "the devil is in the details."
Ha.
and re 37: so who done it? too many times a SJW turns out to be the culprit. but not this time, I'm sure. I almost wonder if the incident wasn't reported first and then someone went in and did the dirty deed.
Posted by: Satan at November 13, 2015 11:47 AM (qSIlh)
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I still want to see some indication that either Trump or Cruz has appeal beyond the base. I'm not interested in winning the primary and losing to Hillary. I want to win the whole thing. And while the claims that the public at large are just dying for an uber conservative are nice I've yet to see that backed with any actual data.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2015 11:43 AM (/tuJf)
fair enough
all I know is that the Republican party has realized that Trump has a very good shot of winning the nomination, so much so they are trying to set up a brokered convention
GOPe sees it
Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2015 11:43 AM (/tuJf)
fair enough
all I know is that the Republican party has realized that Trump has a very good shot of winning the nomination, so much so they are trying to set up a brokered convention
GOPe sees it
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2015 11:47 AM (zOTsN)
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I really don't have a candidate in this race yet... I liked Walker... but I have to say Trump is really beginning to rub Me the wrong way.... Who the hell is advising Him?
Posted by: donna at November 13, 2015 11:47 AM (/dSsq)
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Trump is electable and he's not GOPe. The Republican brand is hurting right now and as an outsider he can harness that.
Posted by: Ghost of kari at November 13, 2015 11:47 AM (xuouz)
63
Why not write a post about a write-in campaign for Michael Dorn.
Old picture from when he was on Trek, or really old picture from when he was on CHiPs?
Old picture from when he was on Trek, or really old picture from when he was on CHiPs?
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at November 13, 2015 11:47 AM (9krrF)
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The country clubbers can hold their noses one time, can't they?
It's their turn.
They can, but will they?
It's their turn.
They can, but will they?
Posted by: pep at November 13, 2015 11:47 AM (GMG6W)
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All well and good. But I have been told, on this blog, that Jindal has no charisma and has, therefore, no shot at the Oval Office.
Idiocracy, indeed.
All well and good. But I have been told, on this blog, that Jindal has no charisma and has, therefore, no shot at the Oval Office.
Idiocracy, indeed.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 13, 2015 11:47 AM (X6fMO)
66
Draft Mitt!
Jindal? Jindal? His popularity in his own fucking state is in the low 30's.. Are you fucking kidding me? He's a dud.. move on.
Jindal? Jindal? His popularity in his own fucking state is in the low 30's.. Are you fucking kidding me? He's a dud.. move on.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 13, 2015 11:47 AM (so+oy)
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Here's a question? What minority group has TWO members that are governors?
Yeah, and they aren't Obama voters?
Indian, dot not feather, Americans. SC and LA.
Yeah, and they aren't Obama voters?
Indian, dot not feather, Americans. SC and LA.
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2015 11:48 AM (jJRIy)
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The GOP House and Senate don't deserve Jindal. He's my actual favorite, and I'm disappointed he hasn't gained more traction.
I think Trump is still a perfectly fine candidate under the P.J. O'Rourke theory of democracy: the people know what they want and deserve to get it... HARD.
I think Trump is still a perfectly fine candidate under the P.J. O'Rourke theory of democracy: the people know what they want and deserve to get it... HARD.
Posted by: shillelagh at November 13, 2015 11:48 AM (L3vVL)
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64 The candidacies of John Anderson in 1980 and Murkowski in 2010 indicate they won't.
Posted by: Naes at November 13, 2015 11:48 AM (Ypc8j)
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I still want to see some indication that either Trump or Cruz has appeal beyond the base. I'm not interested in winning the primary and losing to Hillary. I want to win the whole thing. And while the claims that the public at large are just dying for an uber conservative are nice I've yet to see that backed with any actual data.
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Yeah. Same for me.
We become myopic here, imaging that the more conservative elements of the country see things the way that we do here. To that extent, we live in our *own* bubble.
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Yeah. Same for me.
We become myopic here, imaging that the more conservative elements of the country see things the way that we do here. To that extent, we live in our *own* bubble.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 13, 2015 11:49 AM (n22zQ)
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I still want to see some indication that either Trump or Cruz has appeal beyond the base.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2015 11:43 AM (/tuJf)
The majority of voters are strongly against amnesty, which would give Trump millions of votes if he were the candidate. And Trump's popularity based on deportation will only grow as Obama continues to push his amnesty plan.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2015 11:43 AM (/tuJf)
The majority of voters are strongly against amnesty, which would give Trump millions of votes if he were the candidate. And Trump's popularity based on deportation will only grow as Obama continues to push his amnesty plan.
Posted by: Ed Anger at November 13, 2015 11:49 AM (RcpcZ)
Posted by: Chris Matthews at November 13, 2015 11:49 AM (REdlt)
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63
Why not write a post about a write-in campaign for Michael Dorn.
Or how Mitch Daniel's wife fvcked up his life.
Why not write a post about a write-in campaign for Michael Dorn.
Or how Mitch Daniel's wife fvcked up his life.
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2015 11:49 AM (jJRIy)
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It pains me to say it, but Indians of the Asian variety are the one ethnic group that it is okay to be universally disliked.
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Jesus H.
He's a fucking NERD
Translated: NOT a leader.
Reality: We tend to vote in C students, not A and not B. That's not universally a bad thing - C students that have achieved so much that they can credibly run for President are often tough hombres and always credible leaders.
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Jesus H.
He's a fucking NERD
Translated: NOT a leader.
Reality: We tend to vote in C students, not A and not B. That's not universally a bad thing - C students that have achieved so much that they can credibly run for President are often tough hombres and always credible leaders.
Posted by: Bigby's Swastika-Wiping Finger at November 13, 2015 11:49 AM (3ZtZW)
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Can anybody tell me -why- Jindal is apparently radioactive in Louisiana right now? I keep hearing that but I'm not getting much in the way of whys on it.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at November 13, 2015 11:50 AM (9krrF)
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They can, but will they?
Posted by: pep at November 13, 2015 11:47 AM (GMG6W)
Nominate Cruz and I bet they will indeed.
Posted by: pep at November 13, 2015 11:47 AM (GMG6W)
Nominate Cruz and I bet they will indeed.
Posted by: Meremortal at November 13, 2015 11:50 AM (3myMJ)
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All well and good. But I have been told, on this blog, that Jindal has no charisma and has, therefore, no shot at the Oval Office.
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reminder.. his GOP response to State of the Union in 2009..
https://youtu.be/mmNM0oj79t8
"no charisma" is putting it mildly..
yes.. he's great on paper.. but he's a dud.
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reminder.. his GOP response to State of the Union in 2009..
https://youtu.be/mmNM0oj79t8
"no charisma" is putting it mildly..
yes.. he's great on paper.. but he's a dud.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 13, 2015 11:50 AM (so+oy)
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Jindal seems to have a hard on for Christie...maybe he is into fat guys?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 13, 2015 11:51 AM (gf8BH)
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In the life of every nation, the unlikely, impossible, leader who emerges from nowhere to save the nation at its moment of maximum peril comes about but once or twice. We already had two -- Washington and Lincoln.
We've used up our quota.
We've used up our quota.
Posted by: Oscar at November 13, 2015 11:52 AM (QolCq)
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Unless a big ass bomb takes out most of the rest of the field, Jindal doesn't have a chance in hell of winning the nomination.
I will say I'm tickled that Lindsey Graham can't even drum up 20% support in his home state.
I will say I'm tickled that Lindsey Graham can't even drum up 20% support in his home state.
Posted by: My Ass Is ChappedI Rubs The Lotion On at November 13, 2015 11:52 AM (R5lpX)
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If Carson cannot handle Trump he will be destroyed by the Clinton machine
we need a sneaky bastard. I want Cruz and am biased. but I really do not see Carson winning
we need a sneaky bastard. I want Cruz and am biased. but I really do not see Carson winning
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2015 11:52 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: pep at November 13, 2015 11:53 AM (GMG6W)
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29 the GOPe is now hoping for Rubio
but I can actually foresee a moment when GOPe is forced to turn to Cruz to save them from Trump
and if they don't they are doomed
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2015 11:31 AM (zOTsN)
Then the GOPe will go down...
Cruz has made way too many enemies inside Washington to get the GOPe support...
They'd rather run a RINO loser....
but I can actually foresee a moment when GOPe is forced to turn to Cruz to save them from Trump
and if they don't they are doomed
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2015 11:31 AM (zOTsN)
Then the GOPe will go down...
Cruz has made way too many enemies inside Washington to get the GOPe support...
They'd rather run a RINO loser....
Posted by: BB Wolf at November 13, 2015 11:53 AM (qh617)
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Why do people waste time on thinking Jindal could be elected president?
He doesn't have the height, the looks, the temperament or the political skills for that office. Only a tiny percentage of the people who vote know or care what he thinks or believes in.
It's amazing he made governor.
He doesn't have the height, the looks, the temperament or the political skills for that office. Only a tiny percentage of the people who vote know or care what he thinks or believes in.
It's amazing he made governor.
Posted by: jwest at November 13, 2015 11:54 AM (Zs4uk)
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Reality: We tend to vote in C students, not A and
not B. That's not universally a bad thing - C students that have
achieved so much that they can credibly run for President are often
tough hombres and always credible leaders.
Posted by: Bigby's Swastika-Wiping Finger at November 13, 2015 11:49 AM (3ZtZW)
Yeah, that works every time!
not B. That's not universally a bad thing - C students that have
achieved so much that they can credibly run for President are often
tough hombres and always credible leaders.
Posted by: Bigby's Swastika-Wiping Finger at November 13, 2015 11:49 AM (3ZtZW)
Yeah, that works every time!
Posted by: George at November 13, 2015 11:55 AM (jJRIy)
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The country clubbers can hold their noses one time, can't they?
It's their turn.
They can, but will they?
Posted by: pep
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I see most R's will hold their nose for Cruz, but not Trump.
But that is a reality people want to ignore, both wings have to come together if you actually want to get to 51% of the vote. I guarantee you if Trump is the nominee and he loses, the very first thing out of people's mouth will be the Establishment didn't give him enough money or support.
If you got a Jeb Bush or Donald Trump, one side is staying home. The other candidates have a MUCH better shot at appealing to both wings.
As much as people might love the idea of a middle finger to one wing and then winning the White House, it's not happening.
It's their turn.
They can, but will they?
Posted by: pep
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I see most R's will hold their nose for Cruz, but not Trump.
But that is a reality people want to ignore, both wings have to come together if you actually want to get to 51% of the vote. I guarantee you if Trump is the nominee and he loses, the very first thing out of people's mouth will be the Establishment didn't give him enough money or support.
If you got a Jeb Bush or Donald Trump, one side is staying home. The other candidates have a MUCH better shot at appealing to both wings.
As much as people might love the idea of a middle finger to one wing and then winning the White House, it's not happening.
Posted by: Coolio at November 13, 2015 11:55 AM (VjX9z)
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Imagine that. A governor that took conservative ideas, turned them into policies and it worked.
Whodathunkit?
Whodathunkit?
Posted by: Hank at November 13, 2015 11:55 AM (IkSOf)
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Jindal is a long shot at this point
No, Jeb is a long shot. Christie is a long shot. Jindal is a mathematical impossibility. A divide by zero and the test paper catches on fire impossibility.
Jindal didn't happen. Let it go, guys.
Jindal is a long shot at this point
No, Jeb is a long shot. Christie is a long shot. Jindal is a mathematical impossibility. A divide by zero and the test paper catches on fire impossibility.
Jindal didn't happen. Let it go, guys.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 13, 2015 11:55 AM (kdS6q)
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That's me @85
Posted by: George W Bush at November 13, 2015 11:55 AM (jJRIy)
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I've thought for years Jindal had a phenomenal resume but at this point it looks like he's a veep.
If Cruz isn't in the primary by March 1 I'll probably go with Jindal, if he's still around.
It's beyond ridiculous that IA-NH-SC-NV have such an over sized influence on the nomination. Combined, they control 25 out of 538 electoral votes and yet they get to cut candidates.
If Cruz isn't in the primary by March 1 I'll probably go with Jindal, if he's still around.
It's beyond ridiculous that IA-NH-SC-NV have such an over sized influence on the nomination. Combined, they control 25 out of 538 electoral votes and yet they get to cut candidates.
Posted by: CozMark at November 13, 2015 11:56 AM (CbGSW)
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Every time he talks on the radio, I say, "Wow, this guy make sense." But then you look at him and see there is no chance in hell he will ever be President.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 13, 2015 11:56 AM (5f5bM)
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Let's face it.. we're fucked with this lot.. Cruz will never get the nomination.. I like him.. I like his policies.. but he grates on too many people.. and the slicked back hair and nasally voice are hard to take..
Trump - will lose to Hillary.
Bush? Fuggetaboutit
Carson? The man never even heard about the ferderal reserve unitl 2 weeks ago.. Nice life story.. but not a president.
So.. who? Any of the other ones hovering at 2%?
We're fucked.. truly fucked.
Trump - will lose to Hillary.
Bush? Fuggetaboutit
Carson? The man never even heard about the ferderal reserve unitl 2 weeks ago.. Nice life story.. but not a president.
So.. who? Any of the other ones hovering at 2%?
We're fucked.. truly fucked.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 13, 2015 11:56 AM (so+oy)
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Wait. I'm the proven conservative governor.
Posted by: John Kasich at November 13, 2015 11:56 AM (FkBIv)
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70And while the claims that the public at large are just dying for an uber conservative are nice I've yet to see that backed with any actual data.
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Yeah. Same for me.
We become myopic here, imaging that the more conservative elements of the country see things the way that we do here. To that extent, we live in our *own* bubble.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 13, 2015 11:49 AM (n22zQ)
So Trump is an uber-conservative now? I thought he was an opportunistic, say-anything for attention, Clinton-hack, wolf-in-wolf's-clothing, plant?
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Yeah. Same for me.
We become myopic here, imaging that the more conservative elements of the country see things the way that we do here. To that extent, we live in our *own* bubble.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 13, 2015 11:49 AM (n22zQ)
So Trump is an uber-conservative now? I thought he was an opportunistic, say-anything for attention, Clinton-hack, wolf-in-wolf's-clothing, plant?
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at November 13, 2015 11:56 AM (u83AO)
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Yeah, that works every time!
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Its reality. The way things are are not ever what you wish they would be.
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Its reality. The way things are are not ever what you wish they would be.
Posted by: Bigby's Swastika-Wiping Finger at November 13, 2015 11:57 AM (3ZtZW)
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As much as people might love the idea of a middle finger to one wing and then winning the White House, it's not happening.
Posted by: Coolio at November 13, 2015 11:55 AM (VjX9z)
Logic at the HQ? Who would have thunk it?
Posted by: Coolio at November 13, 2015 11:55 AM (VjX9z)
Logic at the HQ? Who would have thunk it?
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2015 11:57 AM (jJRIy)
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A divide by zero and the test paper catches on fire impossibility.
So you're saying there's a chance....
So you're saying there's a chance....
Posted by: pep at November 13, 2015 11:57 AM (GMG6W)
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Debating Jindal's political chances for the top spot this round are just as useful as the one on killing baby Hitler.
An interesting intellectual exercise in wishcasting.
An interesting intellectual exercise in wishcasting.
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 13, 2015 11:57 AM (gyKtp)
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Yes, Jindal is a long shot at this point. And yes, you will find things you disagree with but on balance I think it will be hard to find a candidate that combines experience and a willingness to take on the entrenched powers (in the party and the government) than Jindal.
Yup.
Which is why he'll never win the nomination. Because we can't have nice things.
I would accept his being given the Cabinet level position of Secretary Of Shutting Shit Down. That would work too.
Yup.
Which is why he'll never win the nomination. Because we can't have nice things.
I would accept his being given the Cabinet level position of Secretary Of Shutting Shit Down. That would work too.
Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at November 13, 2015 11:57 AM (mf5HN)
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I agreee with David Plouffe
there is no middle any more. There really are no "independents". Its a mistake to run to the middle. Your base and turn out is all there is.
there is a huge swath of white blue collar workers who have been abused, ignored, and taken for granted that is up for grabs. They arent the middle
who ever appeals to them, and energizes them to get out and vote, wins
there is no middle any more. There really are no "independents". Its a mistake to run to the middle. Your base and turn out is all there is.
there is a huge swath of white blue collar workers who have been abused, ignored, and taken for granted that is up for grabs. They arent the middle
who ever appeals to them, and energizes them to get out and vote, wins
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2015 11:58 AM (zOTsN)
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So.. who? Any of the other ones hovering at 2%?
I would happily vote for Carly. Whether anyone else would is an open question.
I would happily vote for Carly. Whether anyone else would is an open question.
Posted by: pep at November 13, 2015 11:59 AM (GMG6W)
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I'm waiting to see the data that shows how yet another GOPe- type will beat Hillary. I mean, President Romney has had it tough.
Posted by: Quatro Cinco at November 13, 2015 11:59 AM (/WWMI)
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I think Dan McLaughlin is right on many things Bobby Jindal. Problem is Jindal is getting no attention from the media.
My solution is to take that fucking blue dog democrat, John Kasich, out of the Republican debates and let Jindal on the main stage.
I've heard complaints about Jindal in his home state, but let's see how he'd do other voters in other states.
My solution is to take that fucking blue dog democrat, John Kasich, out of the Republican debates and let Jindal on the main stage.
I've heard complaints about Jindal in his home state, but let's see how he'd do other voters in other states.
Posted by: Arson Wells at November 13, 2015 11:59 AM (UnJ7w)
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All this talk and no one has said they'd vote for Carson. His name has only been mentioned once or twice so far.
Hint: There's a reason why Trump says the things he does.
Hint: There's a reason why Trump says the things he does.
Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2015 12:00 PM (Fmupd)
Posted by: pep at November 13, 2015 12:00 PM (GMG6W)
Posted by: Bigby's Swastika-Wiping Finger at November 13, 2015 12:00 PM (3ZtZW)
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96 As much as people might love the idea of a middle finger to one wing and then winning the White House, it's not happening.
Hey, if we don't win the white house, America might start funding baby harvesting, have universities where being white is a crime, and have gay marriage in all 50 states.
We've GOT to vote Republican to stop these things from ever happening, like we always have!
Hey, if we don't win the white house, America might start funding baby harvesting, have universities where being white is a crime, and have gay marriage in all 50 states.
We've GOT to vote Republican to stop these things from ever happening, like we always have!
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 13, 2015 12:00 PM (7aYhc)
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I don't see anyone in the field who 1. Is an honest conservative and 2. Can appeal to voters beyond the base.
Jindal comes closest, but it's pretty late to hope for him.
Then again, it's been a loooong time since we've had a #1 and #2. So, same old shit.
Jindal comes closest, but it's pretty late to hope for him.
Then again, it's been a loooong time since we've had a #1 and #2. So, same old shit.
Posted by: CJ at November 13, 2015 12:01 PM (9KqcB)
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Jindal's chance is slightly higher than Zombie Reagan's.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at November 13, 2015 12:01 PM (oVJmc)
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I love me some Jindal and I have no buts...
Posted by: Doubting Thomasina at November 13, 2015 12:01 PM (Ai/Cd)
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Whatever happened to our allegedly "deep bench?" Jesus Christ. I can't see any of these people winning. I like Cruz but I'd be shocked if it happens. Maybe 2020.
Posted by: Naes at November 13, 2015 12:02 PM (Ypc8j)
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Naes
Maybe the good people of Iowa, and New Hampshire will figure things out.
Chi-town Jerry
It's possible that unforeseen events steer the electorate in the right direction come November.
Maybe the good people of Iowa, and New Hampshire will figure things out.
Chi-town Jerry
It's possible that unforeseen events steer the electorate in the right direction come November.
Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 13, 2015 12:02 PM (mcm0N)
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Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at November 13, 2015 11:57 AM (mf5HN)
Can we have Mark Levin as Attorney General in charge of sending lots and lots of people to jail?
Because that would be a very nice thing.
Can we have Mark Levin as Attorney General in charge of sending lots and lots of people to jail?
Because that would be a very nice thing.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2015 12:02 PM (Zu3d9)
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I see in the sidebar we are now advertising Purina Toddler Chow
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at November 13, 2015 12:02 PM (WjXce)
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I love Cruz, but he has the feel of my last true love candidate, Barry Goldwater.
Smart, in your heart you know he's right, and a loser.
We have to suck it up an nominate a winner, even it that guy doesn't agree with all our stuff.
Still, NO BUSH or TRUMP
Smart, in your heart you know he's right, and a loser.
We have to suck it up an nominate a winner, even it that guy doesn't agree with all our stuff.
Still, NO BUSH or TRUMP
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2015 12:03 PM (jJRIy)
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As much as people might love the idea of a middle finger to one wing and then winning the White House, it's not happening.
Posted by: Coolio at November 13, 2015 11:55 AM (VjX9z)
Oh really? What do you think '08 and '12 were?
Posted by: Coolio at November 13, 2015 11:55 AM (VjX9z)
Oh really? What do you think '08 and '12 were?
Posted by: Arson Wells at November 13, 2015 12:03 PM (UnJ7w)
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Jindal might be where Trump and Carson are if he comes out against the GOPe instead of them.
Someone who can't understand why the outsiders lead in the polls has no wisdom to be president.
Someone who can't understand why the outsiders lead in the polls has no wisdom to be president.
Posted by: Valiant at November 13, 2015 12:04 PM (2bqlb)
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104.
I would definitely vote for Carson, he's hard not to like and I do think his convictions are sincere, but my biggest disappointment is why he didn't seem to want to do the homework and know these issues.
His career is FAR more difficult than knowing relevant political issues.
I would definitely vote for Carson, he's hard not to like and I do think his convictions are sincere, but my biggest disappointment is why he didn't seem to want to do the homework and know these issues.
His career is FAR more difficult than knowing relevant political issues.
Posted by: Coolio at November 13, 2015 12:04 PM (VjX9z)
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You can stop trying to make Jindal a thing. It's not happening.
Posted by: Vyce at November 13, 2015 12:04 PM (25KoR)
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Jindal is as exciting as watching paint dry. The presidential election is now made-for-tv entertainment, and the people demand action and excitement.
Posted by: brak at November 13, 2015 12:05 PM (xwPSp)
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there is a huge swath of white blue collar workers who have been abused, ignored, and taken for granted that is up for grabs. They arent the middle who ever appeals to them, and energizes them to get out and vote, wins
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This will be the template going forward. For years. At some point, appealing to them will have to be overt. And the Dems will continue to overtly appeal to nonwhites. And that will be the ugly progressive legacy.
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This will be the template going forward. For years. At some point, appealing to them will have to be overt. And the Dems will continue to overtly appeal to nonwhites. And that will be the ugly progressive legacy.
Posted by: CJ at November 13, 2015 12:05 PM (9KqcB)
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@107
Hey, if we don't win the white house, America might start funding baby
harvesting, have universities where being white is a crime, and have gay
marriage in all 50 states.
You been out of the country? We already have ghey marriage in all 50 states and being White is a crime in most inner cities.
If that's snarc, it's not very good.
Hey, if we don't win the white house, America might start funding baby
harvesting, have universities where being white is a crime, and have gay
marriage in all 50 states.
You been out of the country? We already have ghey marriage in all 50 states and being White is a crime in most inner cities.
If that's snarc, it's not very good.
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2015 12:05 PM (jJRIy)
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and yet the Louisianians I know say Bobby has been a disappointment.
Posted by: Grump928(c) brings the cheer at November 13, 2015 12:06 PM (evdj2)
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And Dan McLaughlin does a Strat-o-Matic list of his picks, and while Jindal is his dream date, Rubio is his number two. So, come on:
http://tinyurl.com/nlqry9e
And Dan McLaughlin does a Strat-o-Matic list of his picks, and while Jindal is his dream date, Rubio is his number two. So, come on:
http://tinyurl.com/nlqry9e
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 13, 2015 12:06 PM (kdS6q)
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"Can anybody tell me -why- Jindal is apparently radioactive in Louisiana right now? I keep hearing that but I'm not getting much in the way of whys on it.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13"
I asked upthread and did not get am answer. I really am curious.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13"
I asked upthread and did not get am answer. I really am curious.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 13, 2015 12:06 PM (OD2ni)
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>>>>> I still want to see some indication that either Trump or Cruz has appeal beyond the base.
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He is polling at about 22% with blacks. He is winning the lions share of the Hispanic vote in Nevada, and polling with women than Romney did. He can win the general. His trouble will be winning the nomination. Other than Cruz and Trump, I don't see anyone that will go after Hilary hard for her emails and Benghazi and scam Clinton foundation
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He is polling at about 22% with blacks. He is winning the lions share of the Hispanic vote in Nevada, and polling with women than Romney did. He can win the general. His trouble will be winning the nomination. Other than Cruz and Trump, I don't see anyone that will go after Hilary hard for her emails and Benghazi and scam Clinton foundation
Posted by: L, Elle at November 13, 2015 12:06 PM (2x3L+)
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this proven conservative governor stuff makes me lament the Madness of Rick Perry.
Posted by: Grump928(c) brings the cheer at November 13, 2015 12:06 PM (evdj2)
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Oh really? What do you think '08 and '12 were?
Posted by: Arson Wells
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I'm talking about within the GOP, but Democrats have the luxury of voters that will always fall in line.
That is though a modern development, for most of the 20th century post WWII, Republican Presidents stole a HUGE chunk of Democrat votes.
Posted by: Arson Wells
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I'm talking about within the GOP, but Democrats have the luxury of voters that will always fall in line.
That is though a modern development, for most of the 20th century post WWII, Republican Presidents stole a HUGE chunk of Democrat votes.
Posted by: Coolio at November 13, 2015 12:06 PM (VjX9z)
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Vote Republican, because the Democrats are worse!
But you stupid backwards hick voters better choose one of the candidates we say should be the nominee or we're going to tank it all so the democrat wins.
But you stupid backwards hick voters better choose one of the candidates we say should be the nominee or we're going to tank it all so the democrat wins.
Posted by: GOPe at November 13, 2015 12:06 PM (zt+N6)
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Anyone who thinks a real conservative can win, go ahead and raise your hand.
Now, put your hand down and get your shinebox, because you're wrong.
Politics lags the culture, and the conservatives and conservative-minded libertarians have lost the discussion. It's not just that Jindal's a nerd, it's because the electorate, like the media, is stupid and lazy.
I know LA isn't too keen on him for his really only working on things that interest him at the moment (what I've heard from LA Moron's, anyways). But, even if he were a perfect example of a governor, he still wouldn't be electable.
This is why I generally agree with gloomy-Drew posts, because he's right. It will take one hell of a nasty heart attack for the electorate to realize they need to eat better. My belief, however, is that the heart attack will be fatal.
Now, put your hand down and get your shinebox, because you're wrong.
Politics lags the culture, and the conservatives and conservative-minded libertarians have lost the discussion. It's not just that Jindal's a nerd, it's because the electorate, like the media, is stupid and lazy.
I know LA isn't too keen on him for his really only working on things that interest him at the moment (what I've heard from LA Moron's, anyways). But, even if he were a perfect example of a governor, he still wouldn't be electable.
This is why I generally agree with gloomy-Drew posts, because he's right. It will take one hell of a nasty heart attack for the electorate to realize they need to eat better. My belief, however, is that the heart attack will be fatal.
Posted by: Chupacabra at November 13, 2015 12:07 PM (F26eZ)
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Yeah, me too. People keep saying Jindal is unpopular in LA. Why?
Posted by: L, Elle at November 13, 2015 12:07 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: Arson Wells at November 13, 2015 12:08 PM (UnJ7w)
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Jindal is in the Friend Zone. Nice guy, treats me well, just can't see myself sleeping with him. Not so long as there's bad-boy Trump rolling up in his leather jacket on his Harley hog.
Posted by: Kate58 at November 13, 2015 12:08 PM (MvtKs)
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The vaunted middle are notoriously followers, not leaders.
They vote for the candidate their early adopter opinion leaders are voting for. Then the low infos join the bandwagon so that they can be seen lingering around the cool kids.
They vote for the candidate their early adopter opinion leaders are voting for. Then the low infos join the bandwagon so that they can be seen lingering around the cool kids.
Posted by: CozMark at November 13, 2015 12:09 PM (CbGSW)
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What is it about the Hildebeast that makes people think she's inevitable. She's universally disliked across the board. Talk about mob mentality. It's alive and well in this thread.
Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2015 12:09 PM (Fmupd)
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I see Jindal's uncle whenever I stop for a Big Gulp in Wilmington. Get it, he's Indian and not the woo woo kind like Liz Warren. I crack myself up.
Posted by: Joe Biden at November 13, 2015 12:09 PM (OD2ni)
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Jindal is in the friend zone
Trump is that asshole who beeps his horn in the drive way that my parents hate
Rubio is ok, but too short
Cruz is the guy you marry
Trump is that asshole who beeps his horn in the drive way that my parents hate
Rubio is ok, but too short
Cruz is the guy you marry
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2015 12:10 PM (zOTsN)
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To all Trump nitpickers:
WALL. I REPEAT: WALL. BUILD THE WALL.
Stop the invaders before they get here and we have to make terrible decisions about families and stuff.
And who has sworn to build a wall?
And who has waffled or weaseled about it?
Or not mentioned it at all?
Because they know a wall would work and they don't want to stop the invaders for some reason.
Trump == WALL
(whether he actually will or not, who knows? We know they lie. You're guy/gal whoever they are is also lying to you but you're ignoring that. But one thing they haven't said is that they will build a wall.
I want a wall built. We were promised this in the '80's and every time the subject comes up they swear they'll build a wall. But NO WALL YET!
Trump == Build a Wall
WALL. I REPEAT: WALL. BUILD THE WALL.
Stop the invaders before they get here and we have to make terrible decisions about families and stuff.
And who has sworn to build a wall?
And who has waffled or weaseled about it?
Or not mentioned it at all?
Because they know a wall would work and they don't want to stop the invaders for some reason.
Trump == WALL
(whether he actually will or not, who knows? We know they lie. You're guy/gal whoever they are is also lying to you but you're ignoring that. But one thing they haven't said is that they will build a wall.
I want a wall built. We were promised this in the '80's and every time the subject comes up they swear they'll build a wall. But NO WALL YET!
Trump == Build a Wall
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 13, 2015 12:10 PM (Xo1Rt)
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As much as people might love the idea of a middle finger to one wing and then winning the White House, it's not happening.
Posted by: Coolio at November 13, 2015 11:55 AM (VjX9z)
Logic at the HQ? Who would have thunk it?
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2015 11:57 AM (jJRIy)
Logic this... I, and most conservatives, have voted for the last RINO we are going to. They drive this country down the same path to destruction as Democrats. It will be someone fairly conservative like Cruz (or a bomb thrower like Trump) or it will be no Republican.I will not vote for amnesty. I will not vote for moral decay. It is now the turn of your part of the party, Nip Sip, to decide if they will join us in voting actual stated Republican ideals or they will tantrum themselves out of power.
Posted by: Coolio at November 13, 2015 11:55 AM (VjX9z)
Logic at the HQ? Who would have thunk it?
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2015 11:57 AM (jJRIy)
Logic this... I, and most conservatives, have voted for the last RINO we are going to. They drive this country down the same path to destruction as Democrats. It will be someone fairly conservative like Cruz (or a bomb thrower like Trump) or it will be no Republican.I will not vote for amnesty. I will not vote for moral decay. It is now the turn of your part of the party, Nip Sip, to decide if they will join us in voting actual stated Republican ideals or they will tantrum themselves out of power.
Posted by: redbanzai at November 13, 2015 12:10 PM (OrI3J)
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My only candidate of interest is still Cruz. Some of the rest I could vote for, some decidedly not.
Posted by: Grump928(c) brings the cheer at November 13, 2015 12:10 PM (evdj2)
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Jindal is in the friend zone
Trump is that asshole who beeps his horn in the drive way that my parents hate
Rubio is ok, but too short
Cruz is the guy you marry
Posted by: ThunderB
hows that for deeply intellectual!
Trump is that asshole who beeps his horn in the drive way that my parents hate
Rubio is ok, but too short
Cruz is the guy you marry
Posted by: ThunderB
hows that for deeply intellectual!
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2015 12:10 PM (zOTsN)
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Polling is junk science. Can't be said often enough. How do you poll in Iowa --for a caucus? The Republican side would be easier, but republican voters would be less inclined to cooperate with media polling.
But--how would you poll New Hampshire? How do you--model the voter turnout in New Hampshire when independent/undeclared voters can declare their party the day of the election?
Polling tries to predict the future, but current events--even weather--might rule the day.
But--how would you poll New Hampshire? How do you--model the voter turnout in New Hampshire when independent/undeclared voters can declare their party the day of the election?
Polling tries to predict the future, but current events--even weather--might rule the day.
Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 13, 2015 12:10 PM (mcm0N)
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Here's an ugly truth, based on non-scientific, anecdotal evidence. Most non Indian women don't find Indian men attractive.
So Jindal starts out with a major "charisma" deficit particualrly among the majority of voters which has as much to do with this I think as for being a "nerd" (the more polite surrogate).
Not to say wimmen folk don't vote for other reasons as well, but its a real and significant factor. For example, what accounts for so much of Wm Jefferson Clinton's "charisma." A lot of it is just old fashioned charm-the-ladies type of charm, being personally attractive, which is more than a little bound up in sexual attractiveness.
So Jindal starts out with a major "charisma" deficit particualrly among the majority of voters which has as much to do with this I think as for being a "nerd" (the more polite surrogate).
Not to say wimmen folk don't vote for other reasons as well, but its a real and significant factor. For example, what accounts for so much of Wm Jefferson Clinton's "charisma." A lot of it is just old fashioned charm-the-ladies type of charm, being personally attractive, which is more than a little bound up in sexual attractiveness.
Posted by: Ex NYC Peasant at November 13, 2015 12:11 PM (k8tEg)
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I still want to see some indication that either Trump or Cruz has appeal beyond the base.
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He is polling at about 22% with blacks. He is winning the lions share of the Hispanic vote in Nevada, and polling with women than Romney did. He can win the general. His trouble will be winning the nomination. Other than Cruz and Trump, I don't see anyone that will go after Hilary hard for her emails and Benghazi and scam Clinton foundation
Posted by: L, Elle
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Live by the polls, die by the polls.
All of the polling shows Trump doing worse than all the other Republican candidates. And everyone knows Trump's stance on the border, that's his one issue, and it's not resonating enough to overcome his negatives.
If you want to make the case that Trump brings in a new type of voter, I'm open to that, but Trump still loses even when you take out "likely voters" and just go with "registered voters"
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He is polling at about 22% with blacks. He is winning the lions share of the Hispanic vote in Nevada, and polling with women than Romney did. He can win the general. His trouble will be winning the nomination. Other than Cruz and Trump, I don't see anyone that will go after Hilary hard for her emails and Benghazi and scam Clinton foundation
Posted by: L, Elle
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Live by the polls, die by the polls.
All of the polling shows Trump doing worse than all the other Republican candidates. And everyone knows Trump's stance on the border, that's his one issue, and it's not resonating enough to overcome his negatives.
If you want to make the case that Trump brings in a new type of voter, I'm open to that, but Trump still loses even when you take out "likely voters" and just go with "registered voters"
Posted by: Coolio at November 13, 2015 12:11 PM (VjX9z)
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I like Jindal, but he doesn't have whatever the IT is that a politician needs to fire up the case. Even Romney was more charismatic. I like Cruz a lot, but I also worry that he isn't going to get people fired up either.
I honestly thought the Trump candidacy was some sort of long, drawn out joke on all of us. But, at this point, he's got people enthused. Maybe it's not as crazy as it seems.
Trump/Cruz? Carson/Cruz? Cruz/Carson? Carson Fiorini?
I honestly thought the Trump candidacy was some sort of long, drawn out joke on all of us. But, at this point, he's got people enthused. Maybe it's not as crazy as it seems.
Trump/Cruz? Carson/Cruz? Cruz/Carson? Carson Fiorini?
Posted by: Scout at November 13, 2015 12:11 PM (fCWi3)
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That's base not case. More coffee.
Posted by: Scout at November 13, 2015 12:12 PM (fCWi3)
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Politics lags the culture, and the conservatives and conservative-minded libertarians have lost the discussion.
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EDIT: Were 30 years late in realization the importance of the discussion.
Even now, most conservative blog readers see their salvation in Washington politics.
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EDIT: Were 30 years late in realization the importance of the discussion.
Even now, most conservative blog readers see their salvation in Washington politics.
Posted by: CJ at November 13, 2015 12:12 PM (9KqcB)
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This seemed to fit my and some others' moods today:
Soundgarden - Blow Up the Outside World
www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC2GjXMk7i4
Soundgarden - Blow Up the Outside World
www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC2GjXMk7i4
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 13, 2015 12:12 PM (kpqmD)
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Bobby J's my #2 after Cruz.
I'd be fine with a Cruz/Jindal ticket.
I'd be fine with a Cruz/Jindal ticket.
Posted by: Iblis at November 13, 2015 12:13 PM (rP2JJ)
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2015 12:14 PM (zOTsN)
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Jindal is the nervous nerd who's smart but he's a dork.
Rubio's cute and sexy and fun to be with but all he wants is to get into my pants and move on to the next conquest.
Cruz is all serious but he wants to work for my dad in the lumber business and I'm just a touchstone on that path.
Trump is the crude guy on a motorcycle that drives my Dad up a wall and who buys me stuff but sometimes is mean but he's the only one that really loves me. His crudeness is just an act. A cry for help.
And Jeb? He's the guy peeping in my windows after I get home from a date with Trump.
Rubio's cute and sexy and fun to be with but all he wants is to get into my pants and move on to the next conquest.
Cruz is all serious but he wants to work for my dad in the lumber business and I'm just a touchstone on that path.
Trump is the crude guy on a motorcycle that drives my Dad up a wall and who buys me stuff but sometimes is mean but he's the only one that really loves me. His crudeness is just an act. A cry for help.
And Jeb? He's the guy peeping in my windows after I get home from a date with Trump.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 13, 2015 12:14 PM (Xo1Rt)
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Best part about working from home is getting to listen to Rush while I work.
Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? at November 13, 2015 12:14 PM (HMt16)
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Even now, most conservative blog readers see their salvation in Washington politics.
Posted by: CJ at November 13, 2015 12:12 PM (9KqcB)
Did somebody mention an Article V Convention of the States?
I see no salvation in D.C
Posted by: CJ at November 13, 2015 12:12 PM (9KqcB)
Did somebody mention an Article V Convention of the States?
I see no salvation in D.C
Posted by: Arson Wells at November 13, 2015 12:14 PM (UnJ7w)
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this proven conservative governor stuff makes me lament the Madness of Rick Perry.
Posted by: Grump928(c) brings the cheer at November 13, 2015 12:06 PM (evdj2)
Ditto.
And @ 141, good analysis. You failed to mention Cruz has a face that needs punching and women think Rubio is cute.
this proven conservative governor stuff makes me lament the Madness of Rick Perry.
Posted by: Grump928(c) brings the cheer at November 13, 2015 12:06 PM (evdj2)
Ditto.
And @ 141, good analysis. You failed to mention Cruz has a face that needs punching and women think Rubio is cute.
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2015 12:14 PM (jJRIy)
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People keep pointing to Trump and universal healthcare. I don't give a crap about Ocare anymore. The GOPe won't repeal it. It's going to collapse on its own and the exit president will have to fix it. Trump has said he wants to open insurance companies to compete across state lines and that he wants mostly private health insurance with a safety net for people who can't afford it. We are never going to get rid of Medicaid or Medicare. The best we can hope for is to reform them somehow and make them financial stable.
I just want a damn wall.
I just want a damn wall.
Posted by: L, Elle at November 13, 2015 12:14 PM (2x3L+)
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2015 12:15 PM (jJRIy)
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Jeb is the stalker, a clingon, wont let go, wont go away
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2015 12:15 PM (zOTsN)
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I just want a damn wall.
Posted by: L, Elle at November 13, 2015 12:14 PM (2x3L+)
And sovereignty.
Posted by: L, Elle at November 13, 2015 12:14 PM (2x3L+)
And sovereignty.
Posted by: redbanzai at November 13, 2015 12:17 PM (OrI3J)
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Ever think that the reason no one has built a wall along the border is because vast stretches of (like from El Paso to Laredo) would be a total waste of time?
There is already a wall there. It's a bone dry mountainous desert that stretches from the Rio Grande inland about 250 miles.
There is already a wall there. It's a bone dry mountainous desert that stretches from the Rio Grande inland about 250 miles.
Posted by: CozMark at November 13, 2015 12:17 PM (CbGSW)
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ogic this... I, and most conservatives, have voted for the last RINO we are going to. They drive this country down the same path to destruction as Democrats. It will be someone fairly conservative like Cruz (or a bomb thrower like Trump) or it will be no Republican.I will not vote for amnesty. I will not vote for moral decay. It is now the turn of your part of the party, Nip Sip, to decide if they will join us in voting actual stated Republican ideals or they will tantrum themselves out of power.
Posted by: redbanzai
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And that's fine, but just realize there's somebody on the other side of the Republican Party that will say the same thing and take the same path. They will take their ball and go home if their demands aren't met.
Democrats meanwhile fall in line and get most of they want from their candidate if they get elected.
Posted by: redbanzai
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And that's fine, but just realize there's somebody on the other side of the Republican Party that will say the same thing and take the same path. They will take their ball and go home if their demands aren't met.
Democrats meanwhile fall in line and get most of they want from their candidate if they get elected.
Posted by: Coolio at November 13, 2015 12:17 PM (VjX9z)
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>>>Like Rubio and Cruz, Jindal is a son of immigrants who understands both the immigrant experience and the American Dream;
Yeah, me to, but this pandering crap is so annoying... it's as if they think I'll automatically like them and side with them because of irrelevant crap like this, as if they have an automatic "in" with me. It almost makes me want to say, "Oh yeah? I'll vote for the arrogant billionaire with born with the silver spoon, who has nothing in common with me at all and wouldn't give me the time of day, you pandering creep!" out of pure orneriness.
Plus it helps that Trump has an unambiguous, hard line on immigration.
Yeah, me to, but this pandering crap is so annoying... it's as if they think I'll automatically like them and side with them because of irrelevant crap like this, as if they have an automatic "in" with me. It almost makes me want to say, "Oh yeah? I'll vote for the arrogant billionaire with born with the silver spoon, who has nothing in common with me at all and wouldn't give me the time of day, you pandering creep!" out of pure orneriness.
Plus it helps that Trump has an unambiguous, hard line on immigration.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 13, 2015 12:17 PM (E5UB0)
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If GOPe were smart they would commit to building a wall
but at this point no one anywhere would beleive them
but at this point no one anywhere would beleive them
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2015 12:17 PM (zOTsN)
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Cruz and Jindal are probably terrible in bed and aren't aware that a woman has a clitoris. Trump is said to be an excellent lover by one of his former girlfriends.
Posted by: L, Elle at November 13, 2015 12:18 PM (2x3L+)
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Headline on Drudge: the WaPo claims the Repubs are panicked, and moving to draft Romney.
Amazing how often leftists engage in projection.
Amazing how often leftists engage in projection.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2015 12:18 PM (oKE6c)
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I've been a Jindal nut-hugger since 2008 when he was on the short list for a possible VP position. Smart, well-spoken, I loved his positions, and hell - I'll say it - I liked that he wasn't white, to rub it in the lefts face a little.
As such, I've followed his career closely since then. There are many examples I can cite, such as his State of the Union Rebuttal, his handling of the BP Gulf Oil spill, etc. He just hasn't impressed. He has poor political instincts (tried to capitalize on the BP spill for instance and flubbed it), and while he talks a great game - he doesn't deliver. Just look at his results and approval numbers in LA. That's all that needs to be said.
Frankly I'm surprised he enjoys the support that he does around here. Maybe that he went on the podcast and impressed ace? He talks a great great game, but just doesn't have good results he can hang a hat onto.
As such, I've followed his career closely since then. There are many examples I can cite, such as his State of the Union Rebuttal, his handling of the BP Gulf Oil spill, etc. He just hasn't impressed. He has poor political instincts (tried to capitalize on the BP spill for instance and flubbed it), and while he talks a great game - he doesn't deliver. Just look at his results and approval numbers in LA. That's all that needs to be said.
Frankly I'm surprised he enjoys the support that he does around here. Maybe that he went on the podcast and impressed ace? He talks a great great game, but just doesn't have good results he can hang a hat onto.
Posted by: other_joe_mama at November 13, 2015 12:18 PM (1QK5Y)
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I just want a damn wall.
Posted by: L, Elle at November 13, 2015 12:14 PM (2x3L+)
The wall won't solve our problems without interior enforcement...
and in fact, if we had interior enforcement (ie no Benefits for illegals, prosecute those who aid illegals, and prosecute identity theft)... we would not NEED a wall.
This is another case where the Government not going its job creates the problem... so the solution is another government project...
Posted by: L, Elle at November 13, 2015 12:14 PM (2x3L+)
The wall won't solve our problems without interior enforcement...
and in fact, if we had interior enforcement (ie no Benefits for illegals, prosecute those who aid illegals, and prosecute identity theft)... we would not NEED a wall.
This is another case where the Government not going its job creates the problem... so the solution is another government project...
Posted by: BB Wolf at November 13, 2015 12:18 PM (qh617)
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 13, 2015 12:19 PM (E5UB0)
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There is already a wall there. It's a bone dry mountainous desert that stretches from the Rio Grande inland about 250 miles.
Posted by: CozMark at November 13, 2015 12:17 PM (CbGSW)
Then we need to stop illegals from getting those jetbacks they use to fly in, because this wall you speak of isn't working.
Posted by: CozMark at November 13, 2015 12:17 PM (CbGSW)
Then we need to stop illegals from getting those jetbacks they use to fly in, because this wall you speak of isn't working.
Posted by: CJ at November 13, 2015 12:19 PM (9KqcB)
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jeb and hillary are the ,better vote for me .it's my turn you assholes.
you ignorant shlubs
you ignorant shlubs
Posted by: willow at November 13, 2015 12:19 PM (YvRAm)
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135 What is it about the Hildebeast that makes people think she's inevitable. She's universally disliked across the board. Talk about mob mentality. It's alive and well in this thread.
Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2015 12:09 PM (Fmupd)
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Well the real mob mentality is on the Democratic side. Sanders is running, but it's only to make Hillary look relatively moderate. Then the real mob--mafia--and the Democratic Party both like unions for the same reasons.
Finally the media is about 90% Democrat (there might be more Repuplicans in San Fran)--and they haven't even begun to tear whomever is the Republican candidate for the Presidency.
Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2015 12:09 PM (Fmupd)
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Well the real mob mentality is on the Democratic side. Sanders is running, but it's only to make Hillary look relatively moderate. Then the real mob--mafia--and the Democratic Party both like unions for the same reasons.
Finally the media is about 90% Democrat (there might be more Repuplicans in San Fran)--and they haven't even begun to tear whomever is the Republican candidate for the Presidency.
Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 13, 2015 12:20 PM (mcm0N)
Posted by: Chupacabra at November 13, 2015 12:20 PM (F26eZ)
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You been out of the country? We already have ghey marriage in all 50 states and being White is a crime in most inner cities.
If that's snarc, it's not very good.
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2015 12:05 PM (jJRIy)
My point is it already exists. No GOP president is going to roll any of that back. Maybe Trump or Carson will. None of the others. Several will make it worse.
The bogeymen are here. They won. The GOP doesn't want to fight them. It wants to use their actions to ask for campaign donations and shelter big business.
They can't scare us into voting for them anymore, because every worst case scenario happened while they held Congress.
If that's snarc, it's not very good.
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2015 12:05 PM (jJRIy)
My point is it already exists. No GOP president is going to roll any of that back. Maybe Trump or Carson will. None of the others. Several will make it worse.
The bogeymen are here. They won. The GOP doesn't want to fight them. It wants to use their actions to ask for campaign donations and shelter big business.
They can't scare us into voting for them anymore, because every worst case scenario happened while they held Congress.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 13, 2015 12:21 PM (6/r4t)
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I like Jindal, but there's something off putting about him that makes him un-electable among the masses. Sadly elections are won by people who are fun to have a beer with, and Jindal isn't the guy.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at November 13, 2015 12:21 PM (0LHZx)
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Does some troll take over the hashes of female commenters?
Wtf.
Wtf.
Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 13, 2015 12:21 PM (mcm0N)
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If we weren't the stupid party, if we understood who voted and why, we would run someone who would easily win 49 states.
Mike Rowe '16.
This shit is so easy if you just think about it.
Mike Rowe '16.
This shit is so easy if you just think about it.
Posted by: jwest at November 13, 2015 12:22 PM (Zs4uk)
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i have a question to the my fellow commenters.
does this watching of the political process or knowledge of the nations events and being rick rolled all the time, burn you guys as much as me?
srsly i just want to shut it off . and i would if i weren't so afraid of the future.
does this watching of the political process or knowledge of the nations events and being rick rolled all the time, burn you guys as much as me?
srsly i just want to shut it off . and i would if i weren't so afraid of the future.
Posted by: willow at November 13, 2015 12:22 PM (YvRAm)
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163 Cruz and Jindal are probably terrible in bed and aren't aware that a woman has a clitoris. Trump is said to be an excellent lover by one of his former girlfriends.
Posted by: L, Elle at November 13, 2015 12:18 PM (2x3L+)
Except, ladies, we're not interviewing bed partners here. A candidate's skill with the clitoris is interesting but not relevant to the issue at hand. Neither is whether he is "cute," "sexy," or "fun to be with." We're not looking for a lover, a daddy, a guru, an imam, a life coach, or anyone else to run our lives for us. We're looking for a chief executive officer who makes sound decisions in a timely manner. Period.
The 19th Amendment. We tried it, but it didn't work out.
Posted by: L, Elle at November 13, 2015 12:18 PM (2x3L+)
Except, ladies, we're not interviewing bed partners here. A candidate's skill with the clitoris is interesting but not relevant to the issue at hand. Neither is whether he is "cute," "sexy," or "fun to be with." We're not looking for a lover, a daddy, a guru, an imam, a life coach, or anyone else to run our lives for us. We're looking for a chief executive officer who makes sound decisions in a timely manner. Period.
The 19th Amendment. We tried it, but it didn't work out.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2015 12:22 PM (oKE6c)
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Unfortunately I don't believe Jindal would win the Louisiana primary if the feedback I get from my Louisiana contacts are accurate. He's not very popular there right now. Posted by: Hollywood Network at November 13, 2015 11:26 AM (Z+ic4)
Not often one hears 'my Louisiana contacts' used in a sentence. Evokes images of smoke-filled bars on Bourbon Street, back alley deals, sweet jazz music,and gumbo. Lots and lots of gumbo.
Not often one hears 'my Louisiana contacts' used in a sentence. Evokes images of smoke-filled bars on Bourbon Street, back alley deals, sweet jazz music,and gumbo. Lots and lots of gumbo.
Posted by: troyriser at November 13, 2015 12:22 PM (UWlp+)
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L'Elle hug, hope you are feeling better.
Posted by: willow at November 13, 2015 12:22 PM (YvRAm)
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Sovereignty? Bitches I got me some Moorish sovereignty, so kiss my ass.
http://tinyurl.com/pz5f4f7
http://tinyurl.com/pz5f4f7
Posted by: Crazy Black woman, coming to your neighborhood soon. at November 13, 2015 12:23 PM (jJRIy)
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174 Does some troll take over the hashes of female commenters?
Wtf.
Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 13, 2015 12:21 PM (mcm0N)
I couldn't tell whether or not those comments were serious, but I feared that they might be.
Wtf.
Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 13, 2015 12:21 PM (mcm0N)
I couldn't tell whether or not those comments were serious, but I feared that they might be.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2015 12:23 PM (oKE6c)
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Yo!
Posted by: Yo! at November 13, 2015 12:24 PM (GwIKd)
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If GOPe were smart they would commit to building a wall
but at this point no one anywhere would beleive them
Posted by: ThunderB
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The GOP DID build a fence, it was signed into law by George W. Bush, but the funding for it was pulled by Obama and the Democrats when they rolled into power before completion.
The idea that ONLY Trump will sign such a law is just not factual. Even a pretty La Raza Republican like Dubya went along with a fence.
but at this point no one anywhere would beleive them
Posted by: ThunderB
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The GOP DID build a fence, it was signed into law by George W. Bush, but the funding for it was pulled by Obama and the Democrats when they rolled into power before completion.
The idea that ONLY Trump will sign such a law is just not factual. Even a pretty La Raza Republican like Dubya went along with a fence.
Posted by: Coolio at November 13, 2015 12:24 PM (VjX9z)
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Also from Drudge in the Liberal Cannibalism Category:
Caitlyn Jenner Confronted By Protesters: 'You Are An Insult To Trans People'...
With proper pressure, the Left could crack up like the Soviets in '89.
Caitlyn Jenner Confronted By Protesters: 'You Are An Insult To Trans People'...
With proper pressure, the Left could crack up like the Soviets in '89.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at November 13, 2015 12:24 PM (oVJmc)
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The Democrat nominee..whether it's Hillary, Biden, Bernie, or a ham sandwich..goes into the election with close to 200 Electoral votes, guaranteed. The key is still the swing states, mainly Ohio. Therefore, Kasich is the only hope.
Posted by: Twitter Pundit at November 13, 2015 12:24 PM (/WWMI)
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Yes Willow. I'm exhausted and feel powerless in the system. As I'm sure a great many more people do, too.
Posted by: Chupacabra at November 13, 2015 12:24 PM (F26eZ)
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Does some troll take over the hashes of female commenters?
Wtf.
Posted by: Danube
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A bold question..
Wtf.
Posted by: Danube
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A bold question..
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 13, 2015 12:24 PM (eeTCA)
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Except, ladies, we're not interviewing bed partners here. A candidate's skill with the clitoris is interesting but not relevant to the issue at hand. Neither is whether he is "cute," "sexy," or "fun to be with." We're not looking for a lover, a daddy, a guru, an imam, a life coach, or anyone else to run our lives for us. We're looking for a chief executive officer who makes sound decisions in a timely manner. Period.
The 19th Amendment. We tried it, but it didn't work out.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2015 12:22 PM (oKE6c)
That's the problem when voting with your lady parts.
The 19th Amendment. We tried it, but it didn't work out.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2015 12:22 PM (oKE6c)
That's the problem when voting with your lady parts.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 13, 2015 12:24 PM (kpqmD)
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Democrats meanwhile fall in line
No they don't. They terrorize their politicians if they vote the wrong way.
Democrat candidates and the DNC support Black Lives Matter for God's sake. Bernie Sanders gave them his microphone and bowed his head.
They are totally controlled by their base.
No they don't. They terrorize their politicians if they vote the wrong way.
Democrat candidates and the DNC support Black Lives Matter for God's sake. Bernie Sanders gave them his microphone and bowed his head.
They are totally controlled by their base.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 13, 2015 12:24 PM (7aYhc)
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>>>Jindal is the nervous nerd who's smart but he's a dork.
Rubio's cute and sexy and fun to be with but all he wants is to get into my pants and move on to the next conquest.
Cruz is all serious but he wants to work for my dad in the lumber business and I'm just a touchstone on that path.
Trump
is the crude guy on a motorcycle that drives my Dad up a wall and who
buys me stuff but sometimes is mean but he's the only one that really
loves me. His crudeness is just an act. A cry for help.
And Jeb? He's the guy peeping in my windows after I get home from a date with Trump.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 13, 2015 12:14 PM (Xo1Rt)<<<
Didn't see any negatives for me.
So, you're saying I have a chance...
Rubio's cute and sexy and fun to be with but all he wants is to get into my pants and move on to the next conquest.
Cruz is all serious but he wants to work for my dad in the lumber business and I'm just a touchstone on that path.
Trump
is the crude guy on a motorcycle that drives my Dad up a wall and who
buys me stuff but sometimes is mean but he's the only one that really
loves me. His crudeness is just an act. A cry for help.
And Jeb? He's the guy peeping in my windows after I get home from a date with Trump.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 13, 2015 12:14 PM (Xo1Rt)<<<
Didn't see any negatives for me.
So, you're saying I have a chance...
Posted by: Son of a Mailman at November 13, 2015 12:24 PM (REdlt)
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The 19th Amendment. We tried it, but it didn't work out.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2015 12:22 PM (oKE6c)
THIS and passed by a Republican Congress.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2015 12:22 PM (oKE6c)
THIS and passed by a Republican Congress.
Posted by: Crazy Black woman, coming to your neighborhood soon. at November 13, 2015 12:25 PM (jJRIy)
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"Can anybody tell me -why- Jindal is apparently radioactive in Louisiana right now? I keep hearing that but I'm not getting much in the way of whys on it.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13"
I asked upthread and did not get am answer. I really am curious.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 13, 2015 12:06 PM (OD2ni)
Some earlier discussion in the podcast.
http://acecomments.mu.nu/?blog=86post=359252#c24249649
Other comments I have seen by his constituents suggest he is not a very effective executive, although, that raises the question, again, "Why?".
"Can anybody tell me -why- Jindal is apparently radioactive in Louisiana right now? I keep hearing that but I'm not getting much in the way of whys on it.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13"
I asked upthread and did not get am answer. I really am curious.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 13, 2015 12:06 PM (OD2ni)
Some earlier discussion in the podcast.
http://acecomments.mu.nu/?blog=86post=359252#c24249649
Other comments I have seen by his constituents suggest he is not a very effective executive, although, that raises the question, again, "Why?".
Posted by: rebel flounder at November 13, 2015 12:25 PM (3dOE/)
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Build the damn wall and they will stop coming.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 13, 2015 12:25 PM (Xo1Rt)
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"173 I like Jindal, but there's something off putting about him that makes him un-electable among the masses. Sadly elections are won by people who are fun to have a beer with, and Jindal isn't the guy.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at November 13, 2015 12:21"
I'll drink to that. 24/7. Hiccup.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at November 13, 2015 12:21"
I'll drink to that. 24/7. Hiccup.
Posted by: Grandma Hillary at November 13, 2015 12:25 PM (OD2ni)
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A wall has two functions. First, it's a physical boundary, that if built well enough, discourages movement across that boundary.
Secondly, it's a message: We don't want you in our AO. Stay the fuck out.
Secondly, it's a message: We don't want you in our AO. Stay the fuck out.
Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2015 12:25 PM (Fmupd)
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off crazy black woman sock
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2015 12:25 PM (jJRIy)
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The key is still the swing states, mainly Ohio. Therefore, Kasich is the only hope.
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Posted by: rebel flounder at November 13, 2015 12:25 PM (3dOE/)
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Democrats meanwhile fall in line and get most of they want from their candidate if they get elected.
Posted by: Coolio
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Usually you would be correct.. next year may be different..
The animosity between Hillary supporters and Bernie supporters is incredibly intense. I would venture a prediction that a good percent of Bernie supporters will not vote for Hillary.
And that, most of all, is what pisses me off about how bad our field of candidates is this year.. Any good somewhat-conservative could beat Hillary handily, IMHO.
All our picks suck, however.
Posted by: Coolio
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Usually you would be correct.. next year may be different..
The animosity between Hillary supporters and Bernie supporters is incredibly intense. I would venture a prediction that a good percent of Bernie supporters will not vote for Hillary.
And that, most of all, is what pisses me off about how bad our field of candidates is this year.. Any good somewhat-conservative could beat Hillary handily, IMHO.
All our picks suck, however.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 13, 2015 12:26 PM (so+oy)
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FWIW: I'm wary of candidates noteworthy for their attractiveness and charisma.
So, in other words, I think there's something to be said for boring.
So, in other words, I think there's something to be said for boring.
Posted by: Northernlurker at November 13, 2015 12:26 PM (hJrjt)
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Meester Trump never give me the orgasm.
Posted by: Lorena Bobbit, Concerned Voter at November 13, 2015 12:26 PM (oVJmc)
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Didn't see any negatives for me.
So, you're saying I have a chance...
Posted by: Son of a Mailman at November 13, 2015 12:24 PM (REdlt)
that would be a "No".
***wipes spittle from brow***
So, you're saying I have a chance...
Posted by: Son of a Mailman at November 13, 2015 12:24 PM (REdlt)
that would be a "No".
***wipes spittle from brow***
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2015 12:26 PM (zOTsN)
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Frankly I'm surprised he enjoys the support that he
does around here. Maybe that he went on the podcast and impressed ace?
He talks a great great game, but just doesn't have good results he can
hang a hat onto.
Posted by: other_joe_mama at November 13, 2015 12:18 PM
Not gettin' the love for either Jindal or Cruzer. Yeah, both of them push the Identity Politics buttons -- not quite as well as Choom Boy did -- but one is not regarded highly by many people in his own state and the other is a lazy hack who licked Choom Boy's feet on TPP and nukes for Iran.
Both of them talk real big, though.
does around here. Maybe that he went on the podcast and impressed ace?
He talks a great great game, but just doesn't have good results he can
hang a hat onto.
Posted by: other_joe_mama at November 13, 2015 12:18 PM
Not gettin' the love for either Jindal or Cruzer. Yeah, both of them push the Identity Politics buttons -- not quite as well as Choom Boy did -- but one is not regarded highly by many people in his own state and the other is a lazy hack who licked Choom Boy's feet on TPP and nukes for Iran.
Both of them talk real big, though.
Posted by: MrScribbler at November 13, 2015 12:26 PM (OSULx)
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Not to say wimmen folk don't vote for other
reasons as well, but its a real and significant factor. For example,
what accounts for so much of Wm Jefferson Clinton's "charisma." A lot
of it is just old fashioned charm-the-ladies type of charm, being
personally attractive, which is more than a little bound up in sexual
attractiveness.
Posted by: Ex NYC Peasant at November 13, 2015 12:11 PM (k8tEg)
Sexual attractiveness. Just the thing to deal effectively with Putin and ISIS.
reasons as well, but its a real and significant factor. For example,
what accounts for so much of Wm Jefferson Clinton's "charisma." A lot
of it is just old fashioned charm-the-ladies type of charm, being
personally attractive, which is more than a little bound up in sexual
attractiveness.
Posted by: Ex NYC Peasant at November 13, 2015 12:11 PM (k8tEg)
Sexual attractiveness. Just the thing to deal effectively with Putin and ISIS.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2015 12:27 PM (oKE6c)
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Jindal seems to have made quite an impression on the podcast with Drew, Ace, and JohnE. They all seem to have a bromance going on with Jindal ever since.
He can't win a national office. Maybe senator for LA. The rebuttal to the State of the Union was an embarrassment. Plus there's weird stuff about him witnessing an exorcism or playing with a ouiji board in college that the press will go banana pants crazy over
He can't win a national office. Maybe senator for LA. The rebuttal to the State of the Union was an embarrassment. Plus there's weird stuff about him witnessing an exorcism or playing with a ouiji board in college that the press will go banana pants crazy over
Posted by: L, Elle at November 13, 2015 12:27 PM (2x3L+)
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>>The majority of voters are strongly against amnesty, which would give Trump millions of votes if he were the candidate. And Trump's popularity based on deportation will only grow as Obama continues to push his amnesty plan.
As much as many here hated Romney, his plan was by far the furtherest anti-amnesty plan of all the Republican candidates. Even Trump was hammering earlier this year for being too mean. Of course that was before Donald went for some sort of private army to go after illegals.
Illegal immigration is one of my biggest hot buttons but I think those of us who hold this position are a distinct minority on this issue. Sure, we draw big crowds, it's a big country and 40 percent of the country is huge. But it's still a lot less than 60%.
Wish it weren't so but it seems to be.
As much as many here hated Romney, his plan was by far the furtherest anti-amnesty plan of all the Republican candidates. Even Trump was hammering earlier this year for being too mean. Of course that was before Donald went for some sort of private army to go after illegals.
Illegal immigration is one of my biggest hot buttons but I think those of us who hold this position are a distinct minority on this issue. Sure, we draw big crowds, it's a big country and 40 percent of the country is huge. But it's still a lot less than 60%.
Wish it weren't so but it seems to be.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2015 12:27 PM (/tuJf)
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Like I said before, if the GOPe had come out hard and heavy against TPP, those purple states were very winnable. But, of course they didn't.
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Chupacabra, exhaustion is the perfect term.
Posted by: willow at November 13, 2015 12:27 PM (YvRAm)
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191 The 19th Amendment. We tried it, but it didn't work out.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2015 12:22 PM (oKE6c)
THIS and passed by a Republican Congress.
Posted by: Crazy Black woman, coming to your neighborhood soon. at November 13, 2015 12:25 PM (jJRIy)
Yep. The GOP has been dysfunctional for a long time.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2015 12:22 PM (oKE6c)
THIS and passed by a Republican Congress.
Posted by: Crazy Black woman, coming to your neighborhood soon. at November 13, 2015 12:25 PM (jJRIy)
Yep. The GOP has been dysfunctional for a long time.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2015 12:28 PM (oKE6c)
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The GOP DID build a fence, it was signed into law by George W. Bush, but the funding for it was pulled by Obama and the Democrats when they rolled into power before completion.
The idea that ONLY Trump will sign such a law is just not factual. Even a pretty La Raza Republican like Dubya went along with a fence.
Posted by: Coolio at November 13, 2015 12:24 PM (VjX9z)
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Border security should have been implemented after 9/11. But Bush and the Republican House and near Republican Senate (remember it was 51-49 Dem after 9/11) chose to do shit about it. And immediately post 9/11 you would have easily had 60 votes in the senate for a wall since for a very brief time Democrats actually sorta cared about national security.
The idea that ONLY Trump will sign such a law is just not factual. Even a pretty La Raza Republican like Dubya went along with a fence.
Posted by: Coolio at November 13, 2015 12:24 PM (VjX9z)
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Border security should have been implemented after 9/11. But Bush and the Republican House and near Republican Senate (remember it was 51-49 Dem after 9/11) chose to do shit about it. And immediately post 9/11 you would have easily had 60 votes in the senate for a wall since for a very brief time Democrats actually sorta cared about national security.
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Not gettin' the love for either Jindal or Cruzer. Yeah, both of them push the Identity Politics buttons -- not quite as well as Choom Boy did -- but one is not regarded highly by many people in his own state and the other is a lazy hack who licked Choom Boy's feet on TPP and nukes for Iran.
Both of them talk real big, though.
Posted by: MrScribbler at November 13, 2015 12:26 PM (OSULx)
Cruz is pretty well regarded in Texas
just not by the Bush machine, which is still pretty powerful
Both of them talk real big, though.
Posted by: MrScribbler at November 13, 2015 12:26 PM (OSULx)
Cruz is pretty well regarded in Texas
just not by the Bush machine, which is still pretty powerful
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2015 12:28 PM (zOTsN)
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I don't live in Louisiana, but a few things I've heard about why Jindal is unpopular:
1)He's tried to balance the state budget without raising taxes, which means everyone gets to howl about their favored spending being cut. His plan to repeal the state income tax and raise the sales tax was a massive flop and was abandoned.
2)He's pretty much been angling for a presidential run since the minute he was elected, which tends to irritate the locals. Spending a lot of time around the country fundraising and such opens the door to the old "you don't care about us!" accusation.
3)He has very little charm or charisma. Most of the rest of the state party dislikes him on a personal level, eg David Vitter.
1)He's tried to balance the state budget without raising taxes, which means everyone gets to howl about their favored spending being cut. His plan to repeal the state income tax and raise the sales tax was a massive flop and was abandoned.
2)He's pretty much been angling for a presidential run since the minute he was elected, which tends to irritate the locals. Spending a lot of time around the country fundraising and such opens the door to the old "you don't care about us!" accusation.
3)He has very little charm or charisma. Most of the rest of the state party dislikes him on a personal level, eg David Vitter.
Posted by: radar at November 13, 2015 12:29 PM (kQfqk)
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polling at 70% disapproval in his own state- move on from Jindal, guys. Go read forums of LA people- conservatives- they hate him. There's like a cultish love of this guy among the ace crew and it's counterproductive.
Posted by: exhippie at November 13, 2015 12:30 PM (9STDh)
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So, in other words, I think there's something to be said for boring.
Posted by: Northernlurker at November 13, 2015 12:26 PM
I can dig that. With one caveat: Boring Dude better be able to show some spine when confronted by foreign and domestic enemies.
Ben Carson comes close, except for some sketchy policy beliefs (I don't give a damn about his supposed "lies" or any of that crap the MFM dishes out). Not sure he'd be the guy to go toe-to-toe with Teh Poot or the Muzzies, though. Or, for that matter, Congress.
Posted by: Northernlurker at November 13, 2015 12:26 PM
I can dig that. With one caveat: Boring Dude better be able to show some spine when confronted by foreign and domestic enemies.
Ben Carson comes close, except for some sketchy policy beliefs (I don't give a damn about his supposed "lies" or any of that crap the MFM dishes out). Not sure he'd be the guy to go toe-to-toe with Teh Poot or the Muzzies, though. Or, for that matter, Congress.
Posted by: MrScribbler at November 13, 2015 12:30 PM (OSULx)
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All our picks suck, however.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 13, 2015 12:26 PM (so+oy)
All are picks do not suck. Cruz and Jindal have both proven themselves to be intelligent, competent and reliably conservative. Trump is wonderful if only for the way he moves the debate in the right way and tweaks the noses of the establishment.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 13, 2015 12:26 PM (so+oy)
All are picks do not suck. Cruz and Jindal have both proven themselves to be intelligent, competent and reliably conservative. Trump is wonderful if only for the way he moves the debate in the right way and tweaks the noses of the establishment.
Posted by: redbanzai at November 13, 2015 12:31 PM (OrI3J)
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OK, is Drudge and the others getting a cut of WaPo subs? The WaPo has a fire wall after you read 10 stories and somehow Drudge and Insty now are linking them almost everyday.
I smell rat.
I smell rat.
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2015 12:31 PM (jJRIy)
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>>>I'll say it - I liked that he wasn't white, to rub it in the lefts face a little.
That would be ok if he had his head on straight with regards to immigration.
But it's a horrible mistake if you want the left to be impressed with how open minded you are. They will always hate conservatives. And as half minority, voting minority feels like I'm being manipulated by pandering. I'd prefer to vote cis-het-white guy at this point to prove to the left, "I don't give a fig about these irrelevant attributes you keep obsessing over. I only care about issues."
That would be ok if he had his head on straight with regards to immigration.
But it's a horrible mistake if you want the left to be impressed with how open minded you are. They will always hate conservatives. And as half minority, voting minority feels like I'm being manipulated by pandering. I'd prefer to vote cis-het-white guy at this point to prove to the left, "I don't give a fig about these irrelevant attributes you keep obsessing over. I only care about issues."
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 13, 2015 12:31 PM (E5UB0)
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A Democratis likely to win the governor race runoff in a week. That's how unpopular Jindal is in Louisiana.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at November 13, 2015 12:31 PM (0LHZx)
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What's puzzling is why proven elected Republicans are running absolutely horrible campaigns. How is Carson running such a solid campaign? Who is running his campaign?
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at November 13, 2015 12:32 PM (lg/Cn)
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Jindal is in the Friend Zone. Nice guy, treats me well, just can't see myself sleeping with him. Not so long as there's bad-boy Trump rolling up in his leather jacket on his Harley hog.
Posted by: Kate58 at November 13, 2015 12:08 PM (MvtKs)
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Still laughing. Yeah, Cruz is the marrying type.
One point is that Cruz and Jindal can laugh at themselves and have fun with their personas(ae?). I do not see any of the others having the self-assurance to really laugh at themselves.
Posted by: Kate58 at November 13, 2015 12:08 PM (MvtKs)
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Still laughing. Yeah, Cruz is the marrying type.
One point is that Cruz and Jindal can laugh at themselves and have fun with their personas(ae?). I do not see any of the others having the self-assurance to really laugh at themselves.
Posted by: mustbequantum at November 13, 2015 12:32 PM (MIKMs)
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200 FWIW: I'm wary of candidates noteworthy for their attractiveness and charisma.
So, in other words, I think there's something to be said for boring.
Posted by: Northernlurker at November 13, 2015 12:26 PM (hJrjt)
I don't care if the candidate looks like Duane Doberman. Is he sensible? Stable? Far-sighted? Exercise sound judgment? Have the courage of his convictions?
Neither looks nor charisma factor into it. Those only have appeal to nitwits. Do those nitwits choose physicians on that basis?
So, in other words, I think there's something to be said for boring.
Posted by: Northernlurker at November 13, 2015 12:26 PM (hJrjt)
I don't care if the candidate looks like Duane Doberman. Is he sensible? Stable? Far-sighted? Exercise sound judgment? Have the courage of his convictions?
Neither looks nor charisma factor into it. Those only have appeal to nitwits. Do those nitwits choose physicians on that basis?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2015 12:32 PM (oKE6c)
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Therefore, Kasich is the only hope.
Posted by: Twitter Pundit at November 13, 2015 12:24 PM (/WWMI)
There is another...and that would be anyone but fucking John Kasich. I mean, Jeebus, have you seen that guy in the debates?Everything about the man grates on the nerves: his manner, his petulant voice, his beedy little eyes, his frickin' postman father...I haven't see this much unelectability packedin a single human being since Gary Johnson.
Posted by: Twitter Pundit at November 13, 2015 12:24 PM (/WWMI)
There is another...and that would be anyone but fucking John Kasich. I mean, Jeebus, have you seen that guy in the debates?Everything about the man grates on the nerves: his manner, his petulant voice, his beedy little eyes, his frickin' postman father...I haven't see this much unelectability packedin a single human being since Gary Johnson.
Posted by: Yoda, What Knows About Only Hopes at November 13, 2015 12:32 PM (UWlp+)
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Posted by: BB Wolf at November 13, 2015 12:18 PM (qh617)
That's the lie they've used before. To keep from building the wall.
Want to know what you're enemies don't want you to do? Watch what they spend the most energy trying to defeat.
Voter fraud == Democrats in full force against that.
Building a Wall == Democrats crying and moaning about how it won't work, cost too much, tried and doesn't work etc.
Look at Israel. Since they put their wall up, terrorist incidents have dropped from 4,000 a year to a few hundred. It's why the Palis are desperate enough to start trying to knife people.
Build the damn wall. Then do the interior stuff.
But first control the flood.
When you have a leak, the first thing you do is shut off the water. Cause trying to repair and continuing flow is difficult if not impossible to do well. So you shut off the flow first and then you repair the leaks and the other stuff like visa stayers and etc.
build the damn wall.
It should be someone's slogan.
That's the lie they've used before. To keep from building the wall.
Want to know what you're enemies don't want you to do? Watch what they spend the most energy trying to defeat.
Voter fraud == Democrats in full force against that.
Building a Wall == Democrats crying and moaning about how it won't work, cost too much, tried and doesn't work etc.
Look at Israel. Since they put their wall up, terrorist incidents have dropped from 4,000 a year to a few hundred. It's why the Palis are desperate enough to start trying to knife people.
Build the damn wall. Then do the interior stuff.
But first control the flood.
When you have a leak, the first thing you do is shut off the water. Cause trying to repair and continuing flow is difficult if not impossible to do well. So you shut off the flow first and then you repair the leaks and the other stuff like visa stayers and etc.
build the damn wall.
It should be someone's slogan.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 13, 2015 12:32 PM (Xo1Rt)
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The 19th Amendment. We tried it, but it didn't work out.
The 19th isn't the problem. The problem is that we have too many lazy, racist, pig-ignorant, immature, parasitic leeches possessing the electoral franchise.
I've said it before and I'll say it again; fully 90% of the people in this country who have the vote should have it permanently stripped from them.
The 19th Amendment. We tried it, but it didn't work out.
The 19th isn't the problem. The problem is that we have too many lazy, racist, pig-ignorant, immature, parasitic leeches possessing the electoral franchise.
I've said it before and I'll say it again; fully 90% of the people in this country who have the vote should have it permanently stripped from them.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 13, 2015 12:32 PM (X6fMO)
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What do you mean by "real Indian"?
Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at November 13, 2015 11:26 AM
Dot. Not Feather.
Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at November 13, 2015 11:26 AM
Dot. Not Feather.
Posted by: I'm Here To Help at November 13, 2015 12:32 PM (Oagtj)
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As much as many here hated Romney, his plan was by far the furtherest anti-amnesty plan of all the Republican candidates. Even Trump was hammering earlier this year for being too mean. Of course that was before Donald went for some sort of private army to go after illegals.
Illegal immigration is one of my biggest hot buttons but I think those of us who hold this position are a distinct minority on this issue. Sure, we draw big crowds, it's a big country and 40 percent of the country is huge. But it's still a lot less than 60%.
Wish it weren't so but it seems to be.
Posted by: JackStraw
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Exactly, even Trump dumped on Romney for being too anti-illegal immigration because Romney said that they would self-deport if you made life tough for the illegals.
Romney was actually pretty solid on this issue, he vetoed the DREAM act for college kids (the one Rick PErry signed and said we didn't have a heart, etc)
Romney should have made it a bigger issue, but compare him to people like Rick Perry or Newt Gingrich he had the more solid record.
Illegal immigration is one of my biggest hot buttons but I think those of us who hold this position are a distinct minority on this issue. Sure, we draw big crowds, it's a big country and 40 percent of the country is huge. But it's still a lot less than 60%.
Wish it weren't so but it seems to be.
Posted by: JackStraw
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Exactly, even Trump dumped on Romney for being too anti-illegal immigration because Romney said that they would self-deport if you made life tough for the illegals.
Romney was actually pretty solid on this issue, he vetoed the DREAM act for college kids (the one Rick PErry signed and said we didn't have a heart, etc)
Romney should have made it a bigger issue, but compare him to people like Rick Perry or Newt Gingrich he had the more solid record.
Posted by: Coolio at November 13, 2015 12:33 PM (VjX9z)
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Jindal has two liabilities:
1) He's odd looking. Nothing to do with ethnicity, but he's got a very thin and hangdog face,
and
2) He's remarkably dull, which doesn't overcome #1.
Sure, he might be a smart guy, but the utter lack of charisma really makes him a hard product to sell.
1) He's odd looking. Nothing to do with ethnicity, but he's got a very thin and hangdog face,
and
2) He's remarkably dull, which doesn't overcome #1.
Sure, he might be a smart guy, but the utter lack of charisma really makes him a hard product to sell.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at November 13, 2015 12:33 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: David Brat and Matt "Tom" Bevin at November 13, 2015 12:33 PM (REdlt)
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Only Bernie Sanders offers the fresh new leadership and solid Socialist ideals that will prevent America from spiralling out of control into a corporatist hellhole. He can preserve the revolutionary ideals set forth by our historic first multiracial President, Barack Hussein Obama, who all correctly thinking Americans have loyally supported all this time.
Jindal is a third rate governor of a squalid third world state. Plus he is an Xtianist weirdo.
Jindal is a third rate governor of a squalid third world state. Plus he is an Xtianist weirdo.
Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at November 13, 2015 12:33 PM (9ls8w)
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I think Jindal would be happy working at 7-11 or Dunkin Donuts. They are are full of Indians every time I go there.
Posted by: Joe Biden at November 13, 2015 12:33 PM (1BQGO)
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Cruz is pretty well regarded in Texas
just not by the Bush machine, which is still pretty powerful.
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2015 12:28 PM
If it wasn't for his strategic no-shows -- TPP the worst -- and his non-opposition to the Corker Giveaway that may well bring mushroom clouds and radiation to the Middle East, I might almost be able to overlook his mad love for Moar H1-Bs.
Almost.
just not by the Bush machine, which is still pretty powerful.
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2015 12:28 PM
If it wasn't for his strategic no-shows -- TPP the worst -- and his non-opposition to the Corker Giveaway that may well bring mushroom clouds and radiation to the Middle East, I might almost be able to overlook his mad love for Moar H1-Bs.
Almost.
Posted by: MrScribbler at November 13, 2015 12:33 PM (OSULx)
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"1)He's tried to balance the state budget without raising taxes, which means everyone gets to howl about their favored spending being cut. His plan to repeal the state income tax and raise the sales tax was a massive flop and was abandoned. "
This is the problem. Here's a governor who campaigned on cutting spending, gets in office, cuts spending, and what happens? The very same people who voted for him freak out.
The lesson here is the masses don't want spending cuts. They might say they do in the abstract, but as soon as a dime is cut from their favorite program, they revolt.
This is the problem. Here's a governor who campaigned on cutting spending, gets in office, cuts spending, and what happens? The very same people who voted for him freak out.
The lesson here is the masses don't want spending cuts. They might say they do in the abstract, but as soon as a dime is cut from their favorite program, they revolt.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at November 13, 2015 12:34 PM (0LHZx)
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Your candidates:
Expanding authoritarian socialism slowly (R)
Expanding authoritarian socialism quickly (D)
Expanding authoritarian socialism slowly (R)
Expanding authoritarian socialism quickly (D)
Posted by: 2016 Presidential Election at November 13, 2015 12:34 PM (xwPSp)
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Word up, someone wake up the ewok.
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2015 12:34 PM (jJRIy)
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in fairness, why should voting for a President be about charisma.
why do we do this thing.
when another likes a certain guy and advocates for him it is considered cultish?
or tardish or fanboiish
or whatever demeaning adjective comes to mind?
however the state disapproval number does bother me.
I wish YNot would do a post on it.
truth or fiction; or has she and i missed it?
why do we do this thing.
when another likes a certain guy and advocates for him it is considered cultish?
or tardish or fanboiish
or whatever demeaning adjective comes to mind?
however the state disapproval number does bother me.
I wish YNot would do a post on it.
truth or fiction; or has she and i missed it?
Posted by: willow at November 13, 2015 12:34 PM (YvRAm)
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>>>> ladies, we're not interviewing bed partners here.
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Except a lot of LiVs are. He is polling better than Romney ever did with women, and Romney was the consummate gentleman and devoted husband. Trump is also the guy everyone would want to have a beer with. He will pick up all the LIVs that Obama did. The media tried to convince everyone that Obama was cool when he never was. Trump actually is. He is friends with cool people like Tom Brady. Obama was a nobody who knew Ayers and Doern. He talks just like the guy that changes your oil. That kind of stuff goes a long way for LIVs.
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Except a lot of LiVs are. He is polling better than Romney ever did with women, and Romney was the consummate gentleman and devoted husband. Trump is also the guy everyone would want to have a beer with. He will pick up all the LIVs that Obama did. The media tried to convince everyone that Obama was cool when he never was. Trump actually is. He is friends with cool people like Tom Brady. Obama was a nobody who knew Ayers and Doern. He talks just like the guy that changes your oil. That kind of stuff goes a long way for LIVs.
Posted by: L, Elle at November 13, 2015 12:35 PM (2x3L+)
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The GOP DID build a fence, it was signed into law by George W. Bush, but
the funding for it was pulled by Obama and the Democrats when they
rolled into power before completion.
The idea that ONLY Trump will sign such a law is just not factual.
Even a pretty La Raza Republican like Dubya went along with a fence.
Posted by: Coolio at November 13, 2015 12:24 PM (VjX9z)
The GOP under Bush pushed and pushed HARD for amnesty. The GOP had plenty of time to build a fence while Bush was President had they been actually inclined to. It is counterfactual to act as if this were being talked about before Trump brought it up and laughed those who called him racist into silence.
the funding for it was pulled by Obama and the Democrats when they
rolled into power before completion.
The idea that ONLY Trump will sign such a law is just not factual.
Even a pretty La Raza Republican like Dubya went along with a fence.
Posted by: Coolio at November 13, 2015 12:24 PM (VjX9z)
The GOP under Bush pushed and pushed HARD for amnesty. The GOP had plenty of time to build a fence while Bush was President had they been actually inclined to. It is counterfactual to act as if this were being talked about before Trump brought it up and laughed those who called him racist into silence.
Posted by: redbanzai at November 13, 2015 12:35 PM (OrI3J)
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There's like a cultish love of this guy among the ace crew and it's counterproductive.
Posted by: exhippie at November 13, 2015 12:30 PM (9STDh)
I know, right?
Posted by: exhippie at November 13, 2015 12:30 PM (9STDh)
I know, right?
Posted by: Any Trump Supporter Anywhere at November 13, 2015 12:35 PM (UWlp+)
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We're not looking for a lover, a daddy, a guru, an imam, a life coach, or anyone else to run our lives for us. We're looking for a chief executive officer who makes sound decisions in a timely manner. Period.
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We're looking for an honest, law abiding person who won't forget that he is here to serve us. To serve our best interests. Not our enemies, even if he feels sorry for them and feels more loyalty to them than to us.
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We're looking for an honest, law abiding person who won't forget that he is here to serve us. To serve our best interests. Not our enemies, even if he feels sorry for them and feels more loyalty to them than to us.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 13, 2015 12:36 PM (E5UB0)
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"He refused to form a state Obamacare exchange or expand Medicaid, choices many other Governors are now wishing they had made."
Interestingly, the Republicans who are now having really cold feet about repealing Obamacare, with the concomitant shrinkage of Medicaid back to where it had been, are in the Senate. Shelley Moore Capito was damn near terrified at the very thought.
What we are going to see is that Obamacare will continue to evolve and distort and reshape itself after Obama is gone. The unions will see that hated "Cadillac tax" go away. The governors who expanded Medicaid will be relieved of the burden of having to eventually pony up for it out of their state budgets. The subsidies to individual consumers will be dialed up.
All of this will instead end up, of course, by massively increasing federal deficits. Which is the only popular policy course these days inside the Beltway. Bipartisan spendthriftery. There's no constituency for fiscal continence.
Interestingly, the Republicans who are now having really cold feet about repealing Obamacare, with the concomitant shrinkage of Medicaid back to where it had been, are in the Senate. Shelley Moore Capito was damn near terrified at the very thought.
What we are going to see is that Obamacare will continue to evolve and distort and reshape itself after Obama is gone. The unions will see that hated "Cadillac tax" go away. The governors who expanded Medicaid will be relieved of the burden of having to eventually pony up for it out of their state budgets. The subsidies to individual consumers will be dialed up.
All of this will instead end up, of course, by massively increasing federal deficits. Which is the only popular policy course these days inside the Beltway. Bipartisan spendthriftery. There's no constituency for fiscal continence.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2015 12:36 PM (noWW6)
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Drew, I did business with Louisiana (software).
We were part of a program the governor had highlighted as a focus for improvement, as Louisiana performed poorly relative to other states. They spent a lot of money with a lot of vendors, so I have no complaints at all with our treatment (in fact they were quick payers!) and because of totally crazy management the project failed miserably. The governor gave an award and a bonus to the person overseeing the hot mess, and they declared victory. It was shocking. We do business with just a few state governments, and our government experience is limited, but Louisiana stood out like a sore thumb.
From my own (maybe limited) experience I wouldn't expect Jindal to manage the Federal government, if that's what you're thinking. I like him ideologically but I believe he will be a lousy manager.
We were part of a program the governor had highlighted as a focus for improvement, as Louisiana performed poorly relative to other states. They spent a lot of money with a lot of vendors, so I have no complaints at all with our treatment (in fact they were quick payers!) and because of totally crazy management the project failed miserably. The governor gave an award and a bonus to the person overseeing the hot mess, and they declared victory. It was shocking. We do business with just a few state governments, and our government experience is limited, but Louisiana stood out like a sore thumb.
From my own (maybe limited) experience I wouldn't expect Jindal to manage the Federal government, if that's what you're thinking. I like him ideologically but I believe he will be a lousy manager.
Posted by: MTF at November 13, 2015 12:36 PM (TxJGV)
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Can we switch to a more serious topic? Trannies are protesting that Caitlyn isn't tranny enough. Twinkles up or down?
Posted by: USA at November 13, 2015 12:36 PM (HSrbI)
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228 You know who else didn't "poll well" either...
just sayin'.
Posted by: David Brat and Matt "Tom" Bevin at November 13, 2015 12:33 PM (REdlt)
As someone who lives in Dave Brat's district, I can tell you that one of the biggest reasons Cantor lost is also one of the big knocks on Jindal - that he's more interested in a high profile nationally than actually representing his constituents.
just sayin'.
Posted by: David Brat and Matt "Tom" Bevin at November 13, 2015 12:33 PM (REdlt)
As someone who lives in Dave Brat's district, I can tell you that one of the biggest reasons Cantor lost is also one of the big knocks on Jindal - that he's more interested in a high profile nationally than actually representing his constituents.
Posted by: radar at November 13, 2015 12:37 PM (kQfqk)
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Building a Wall == Democrats crying and moaning about how it won't work, cost too much, tried and doesn't work etc.
But building HIGH. SPEED. RAIL. is totes cost-effective and practical. Amazing.
But building HIGH. SPEED. RAIL. is totes cost-effective and practical. Amazing.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2015 12:37 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Meremortal at November 13, 2015 12:37 PM (3myMJ)
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I not sure there is any politician who comes to serve and not be served.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2015 12:37 PM (No/ki)
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We're not looking for a lover, a daddy, a guru, an imam, a life coach, or anyone else to run our lives for us. We're looking for a chief executive officer who makes sound decisions in a timely manner. Period.
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We're looking for an honest, law abiding person who won't forget that he is here to serve us. To serve our best interests. Not our enemies, even if he feels sorry for them and feels more loyalty to them than to us.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 13, 2015 12:36 PM (E5UB0)
+100
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We're looking for an honest, law abiding person who won't forget that he is here to serve us. To serve our best interests. Not our enemies, even if he feels sorry for them and feels more loyalty to them than to us.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 13, 2015 12:36 PM (E5UB0)
+100
Posted by: willow at November 13, 2015 12:37 PM (YvRAm)
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Posted by: Benji Carver at November 13, 2015 12:06 PM (OD2ni)
The LA contingent of the Horde who have commented recently said the problem with Jindal was that he taljed a good talk but practically disappeared adter being elected and left the actual governing to a group of people who were extremely sketchy.
The LA contingent of the Horde who have commented recently said the problem with Jindal was that he taljed a good talk but practically disappeared adter being elected and left the actual governing to a group of people who were extremely sketchy.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at November 13, 2015 12:37 PM (GDulk)
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To control the border, you don't necessarily need a WaLL, you need the WiLL.
What's most lacking is the will. The "wall" is, for Trump, a signal that the will is there.
I don't think anything signifies the decline of a nation more than its lack of will to defend its border. Historians can correct me if I'm wrong.
What's most lacking is the will. The "wall" is, for Trump, a signal that the will is there.
I don't think anything signifies the decline of a nation more than its lack of will to defend its border. Historians can correct me if I'm wrong.
Posted by: CJ at November 13, 2015 12:38 PM (9KqcB)
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I had a gf whose dad used to patrol the Brownsville border area with his buddy who was an immigration officer. Her dad would also bring along his ranch hand who was an illegal from El Salvador.
If you think building a wall is going to change anything you're deluded. It's a simple solution that will solve nothing. People from Matamoros, Mexico can drive across the border straight through to Minneapolis on I-35. Is that a crime?
If you think building a wall is going to change anything you're deluded. It's a simple solution that will solve nothing. People from Matamoros, Mexico can drive across the border straight through to Minneapolis on I-35. Is that a crime?
Posted by: CozMark at November 13, 2015 12:38 PM (CbGSW)
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Cruz and Jindal are probably terrible in bed and
aren't aware that a woman has a clitoris. Trump is said to be an
excellent lover by one of his former girlfriends.
Posted by: L, Elle at November 13, 2015 12:18 PM (2x3L+)
Since we are not electing a Gigolo-in-Chief, I am not sure that matters:-P
aren't aware that a woman has a clitoris. Trump is said to be an
excellent lover by one of his former girlfriends.
Posted by: L, Elle at November 13, 2015 12:18 PM (2x3L+)
Since we are not electing a Gigolo-in-Chief, I am not sure that matters:-P
Posted by: redbanzai at November 13, 2015 12:38 PM (OrI3J)
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"He is polling better than Romney ever did with women, and Romney was the consummate gentleman and devoted husband."
Proving yet again the truth of the eternal and fundamental proposition that Chicks Dig Jerks.
Proving yet again the truth of the eternal and fundamental proposition that Chicks Dig Jerks.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2015 12:38 PM (noWW6)
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Fenelon, i imagine it takes a lot of ego to even Run.
Posted by: willow at November 13, 2015 12:38 PM (YvRAm)
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Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump
http://bit.ly/20RFjpx
http://bit.ly/20RFjpx
Posted by: Ghost of kari at November 13, 2015 12:38 PM (xuouz)
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"Here's a clue, geniuses. When you ignore repeated, very passionate
warnings from your base, in favor of doing things that disadvantage them
but advantage you, nobody wants to hear from you anymore. Questions?"
Jeb Can Fix It.
But Y'all Have To Start Showing Me The Love, Or I'm Going Stompy-Foot. Just Sayin'.
warnings from your base, in favor of doing things that disadvantage them
but advantage you, nobody wants to hear from you anymore. Questions?"
Jeb Can Fix It.
But Y'all Have To Start Showing Me The Love, Or I'm Going Stompy-Foot. Just Sayin'.
Posted by: Jeb! at November 13, 2015 12:38 PM (nSW/N)
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We're looking for an honest, law abiding person who
won't forget that he is here to serve us. To serve our best interests.
Not our enemies, even if he feels sorry for them and feels more loyalty
to them than to us.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 13, 2015 12:36 PM (E5UB0)
Yep. Sad that we have to make those requirements explicit. You'd think they'd be implicitly obvious.
won't forget that he is here to serve us. To serve our best interests.
Not our enemies, even if he feels sorry for them and feels more loyalty
to them than to us.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 13, 2015 12:36 PM (E5UB0)
Yep. Sad that we have to make those requirements explicit. You'd think they'd be implicitly obvious.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2015 12:39 PM (oKE6c)
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Every conservative wants to hear policy, or at least we are told that. I want to hear ideology. You start talking policy, and it puts me to sleep.
Why do we have a Federal Department of Education? Because back in the day of segregation the deep south had two school systems; one for blacks, one for white. So now we have a national education system to national standards. How is that working out, so far?
Why do we have a Federal Department of Energy? Because all those secret nuclear weapons projects had to be buried somewhere. Are we still building nukes? I don't really know. Los Alamos still exists. What are they doing now.
Why do we have a Federal Department of Commerce?
Why do we have a Federal Department of Health and Human Services?
Why do we have a Federal Department of Agriculture? Labor? Transportation?
Why do we have a Federal Department of Education? Because back in the day of segregation the deep south had two school systems; one for blacks, one for white. So now we have a national education system to national standards. How is that working out, so far?
Why do we have a Federal Department of Energy? Because all those secret nuclear weapons projects had to be buried somewhere. Are we still building nukes? I don't really know. Los Alamos still exists. What are they doing now.
Why do we have a Federal Department of Commerce?
Why do we have a Federal Department of Health and Human Services?
Why do we have a Federal Department of Agriculture? Labor? Transportation?
Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 13, 2015 12:39 PM (cfyUm)
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Except, ladies, we're not interviewing bed partners here.
I think the speculation on candidates as bed partners was not from a plurality of women.
I think the speculation on candidates as bed partners was not from a plurality of women.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2015 12:40 PM (No/ki)
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I like @BaseballCrank just fine. I also like Bobby Jindal just fine. But this just doesn't seem very realistic.
Regarding Jindal's checking the most boxes, well, it's an interesting point as far it goes, but I personally can't mount the mental and emotional momentum necessary to see his rise as an actual possibility.
Regarding Jindal's checking the most boxes, well, it's an interesting point as far it goes, but I personally can't mount the mental and emotional momentum necessary to see his rise as an actual possibility.
Posted by: Blacksheep at November 13, 2015 12:40 PM (8/DeP)
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204 Not to say wimmen folk don't vote for other
reasons as well, but its a real and significant factor. For example,
what accounts for so much of Wm Jefferson Clinton's "charisma." A lot
of it is just old fashioned charm-the-ladies type of charm, being
personally attractive, which is more than a little bound up in sexual
attractiveness.
Posted by: Ex NYC Peasant at November 13, 2015 12:11 PM (k8tEg)
Sexual attractiveness. Just the thing to deal effectively with Putin and ISIS.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2015 12:27 PM (oKE6c)
Yup. He gave lots of women the tingles in their naughty bits, despite (or maybe as a direct result of?) being a scumbag.
reasons as well, but its a real and significant factor. For example,
what accounts for so much of Wm Jefferson Clinton's "charisma." A lot
of it is just old fashioned charm-the-ladies type of charm, being
personally attractive, which is more than a little bound up in sexual
attractiveness.
Posted by: Ex NYC Peasant at November 13, 2015 12:11 PM (k8tEg)
Sexual attractiveness. Just the thing to deal effectively with Putin and ISIS.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2015 12:27 PM (oKE6c)
Yup. He gave lots of women the tingles in their naughty bits, despite (or maybe as a direct result of?) being a scumbag.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 13, 2015 12:40 PM (kpqmD)
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@204
Don't shoot the messenger
Don't shoot the messenger
Posted by: Ex NYC Peasant at November 13, 2015 12:40 PM (k8tEg)
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Neeeerd!
Posted by: Ogre at November 13, 2015 12:40 PM (EJxGp)
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I like Jindal, but that weird press conference where he attacked Trump came across as desperate and bizarre.
Like it or not, you look like part of the RINO establishment when you do that. Conservatives should be looking to co-opt Trump's support the way Cruz does.
Like it or not, you look like part of the RINO establishment when you do that. Conservatives should be looking to co-opt Trump's support the way Cruz does.
Posted by: Warden at November 13, 2015 12:40 PM (wHAYQ)
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234 Word up, someone wake up the ewok.
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2015 12:34 PM (jJRIy)
I guess now that's Mr. Ewok.
He's probably been hanging out late with our elitist betters at the writer's club, swilling drinks and laughing at the rubes in flyover country.
Maybe we'll get a Hot Air rehash around 3:00.
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2015 12:34 PM (jJRIy)
I guess now that's Mr. Ewok.
He's probably been hanging out late with our elitist betters at the writer's club, swilling drinks and laughing at the rubes in flyover country.
Maybe we'll get a Hot Air rehash around 3:00.
Posted by: jwest at November 13, 2015 12:41 PM (Zs4uk)
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2015 12:41 PM (zOTsN)
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Posted by: willow at November 13, 2015 12:38 PM (YvRAm)
Yes; I don't think ego is the problem. As with many other things it is when it's taken to the extreme.
Yes; I don't think ego is the problem. As with many other things it is when it's taken to the extreme.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2015 12:41 PM (No/ki)
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Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2015 12:37 PM (oKE6c)
They want to get those prospective maids and gardners up to SF and Seattle ASAP
Mark wants that hedge maze up for his garden party next week.
They want to get those prospective maids and gardners up to SF and Seattle ASAP
Mark wants that hedge maze up for his garden party next week.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 13, 2015 12:41 PM (Xo1Rt)
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Posted by: CJ at November 13, 2015 12:12 PM (9KqcB)
Did somebody mention an Article V Convention of the States?
I see no salvation in D.C
Posted by: Arson Wells at November 13, 2015 12:14 PM (UnJ7w)
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As I've said in the past about the AR 5 Convention. It was started too late. Should have been done in the 90's when we saw what the Clintons were doing. In other words, it's OBE.
Did somebody mention an Article V Convention of the States?
I see no salvation in D.C
Posted by: Arson Wells at November 13, 2015 12:14 PM (UnJ7w)
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As I've said in the past about the AR 5 Convention. It was started too late. Should have been done in the 90's when we saw what the Clintons were doing. In other words, it's OBE.
Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2015 12:42 PM (Fmupd)
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"People from Matamoros, Mexico can drive across the border straight through to Minneapolis on I-35."
People from Tijuana, Mexico can drive across the border into San Diego, and then follow I-5 north to Los Angeles, San Jose, San Francisco, Portland and Seattle.
Except that they have to go through a border station first where their bona fides to enter the USA are verified. A border station surrounded by long stretches of fences and walls.
All that is required to expand that existing setup further to the east.
People from Tijuana, Mexico can drive across the border into San Diego, and then follow I-5 north to Los Angeles, San Jose, San Francisco, Portland and Seattle.
Except that they have to go through a border station first where their bona fides to enter the USA are verified. A border station surrounded by long stretches of fences and walls.
All that is required to expand that existing setup further to the east.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2015 12:43 PM (noWW6)
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i just think ' we really-really care about women, unlike those that will make your children eat catfood and grass ' sold those women . even if it was alll b.s. see Hillary's and Dem treatment of Cintons victims.
but if candidates won't lay it out for the liv's
shrugs.
but if candidates won't lay it out for the liv's
shrugs.
Posted by: willow at November 13, 2015 12:43 PM (YvRAm)
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I think the speculation on candidates as bed partners was not from a plurality of women.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2015 12:40 PM
Not sure you'd want to hear from a "plurality" of women about a candidate's prowess in the sack. Just sayin'.
Unless the candidate was Jack Kennedy.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2015 12:40 PM
Not sure you'd want to hear from a "plurality" of women about a candidate's prowess in the sack. Just sayin'.
Unless the candidate was Jack Kennedy.
Posted by: MrScribbler at November 13, 2015 12:43 PM (OSULx)
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Jindal has two liabilities:
1) He's odd looking. Nothing to do with ethnicity, but he's got a very thin and hangdog face,
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The teachers at my wife's school have a euphemism; FLK for funny looking kid.
1) He's odd looking. Nothing to do with ethnicity, but he's got a very thin and hangdog face,
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The teachers at my wife's school have a euphemism; FLK for funny looking kid.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 13, 2015 12:44 PM (Nwg0u)
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I think the speculation on candidates as bed partners was not from a plurality of women.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2015 12:40 PM (No/ki)
Didn't say it was. But bear in mind that elections are typically won or lost by a few percent of the votes cast, so if sexual attractiveness is the deciding factor even for 2% of women (leading to a 4% swing), that could easily tip the election.
That's what's alarming.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2015 12:40 PM (No/ki)
Didn't say it was. But bear in mind that elections are typically won or lost by a few percent of the votes cast, so if sexual attractiveness is the deciding factor even for 2% of women (leading to a 4% swing), that could easily tip the election.
That's what's alarming.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2015 12:44 PM (oKE6c)
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If you think building a wall is going to change anything you're deluded. It's a simple solution that will solve nothing. People from Matamoros, Mexico can drive across the border straight through to Minneapolis on I-35. Is that a crime?
Posted by: CozMark at November 13, 2015 12:38 PM (CbGSW)
It is not a solution. It is a Start.
Posted by: CozMark at November 13, 2015 12:38 PM (CbGSW)
It is not a solution. It is a Start.
Posted by: buzzion at November 13, 2015 12:45 PM (zt+N6)
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>>Yup. He gave lots of women the tingles in their naughty bits, despite (or maybe as a direct result of?) being a scumbag.
Clarification: He gave a lot of LEFTY women/feminists the tingles. Same with Obama.
Please remember that the 'ettes here are not governed by their ladybits when picking a candidate. The whole dating thing upthread was just a cute analogy - really doubt anyone actually wants to sleep with any of those dudes *shivers*
Clarification: He gave a lot of LEFTY women/feminists the tingles. Same with Obama.
Please remember that the 'ettes here are not governed by their ladybits when picking a candidate. The whole dating thing upthread was just a cute analogy - really doubt anyone actually wants to sleep with any of those dudes *shivers*
Posted by: Faith Popcorn at November 13, 2015 12:45 PM (NOIQH)
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Maybe we'll get a Hot Air rehash around 3:00.
Posted by: jwest
............
Somebody forgot to tell us Ace was put on the second shift.. and part-time at that!
Right now, he's waking up.. looking at the clock and going.. oh shit! I gotta steal something from Drudge!
Posted by: jwest
............
Somebody forgot to tell us Ace was put on the second shift.. and part-time at that!
Right now, he's waking up.. looking at the clock and going.. oh shit! I gotta steal something from Drudge!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 13, 2015 12:45 PM (so+oy)
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Border security should have been implemented after 9/11. But Bush and the Republican House and near Republican Senate (remember it was 51-49 Dem after 9/11) chose to do shit about it. And immediately post 9/11 you would have easily had 60 votes in the senate for a wall since for a very brief time Democrats actually sorta cared about national security.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew
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But being intellectually honest, a border wall keeping out illegal migrant workers was not the focus after 9/11 , it was Pearl Harbor moment.
I don't really want a wall because of jihadists crossing the Mexican/US border, I want it to keep out 3rd world parasites. I do think though immigration and Muslims are a real issue though, but the wall doesn't address that.
I do agree we could have fixed illegal immigration for good after 9/11 but Dubya tried to be a bipartisan war President and got shit to show for it.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew
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But being intellectually honest, a border wall keeping out illegal migrant workers was not the focus after 9/11 , it was Pearl Harbor moment.
I don't really want a wall because of jihadists crossing the Mexican/US border, I want it to keep out 3rd world parasites. I do think though immigration and Muslims are a real issue though, but the wall doesn't address that.
I do agree we could have fixed illegal immigration for good after 9/11 but Dubya tried to be a bipartisan war President and got shit to show for it.
Posted by: Coolio at November 13, 2015 12:45 PM (VjX9z)
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People from Tijuana, Mexico can drive across the border into San Diego, and then follow I-5 north to Los Angeles, San Jose, San Francisco, Portland and Seattle.
Except that they have to go through a border station first where their bona fides to enter the USA are verified. A border station surrounded by long stretches of fences and walls.
All that is required to expand that existing setup further to the east.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2015 12:43 PM (noWW6)
people drive into to Texs from Mexico too
jammed 40 of them in the back of a semi
we need to do better at the check point too
Except that they have to go through a border station first where their bona fides to enter the USA are verified. A border station surrounded by long stretches of fences and walls.
All that is required to expand that existing setup further to the east.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2015 12:43 PM (noWW6)
people drive into to Texs from Mexico too
jammed 40 of them in the back of a semi
we need to do better at the check point too
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2015 12:45 PM (zOTsN)
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Yargh!! sock off
Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2015 12:45 PM (NOIQH)
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"...But bear in mind that elections are typically won or lost by a few percent of the votes cast, so if sexual attractiveness is the deciding factor even for 2% of women (leading to a 4% swing), that could easily tip the election.
That's what's alarming."
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2015 12:44 PM (oKE6c)
That's one the reasons I continue to say:
Mike Rowe = 49 States.
That's what's alarming."
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2015 12:44 PM (oKE6c)
That's one the reasons I continue to say:
Mike Rowe = 49 States.
Posted by: jwest at November 13, 2015 12:46 PM (Zs4uk)
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I wouldn't say Jindal has no charisma. He can be witty and some of zingers on Trump were pretty good. I don't understand why Ace and company aren't into Cruz. He is just as smart as Jindal
Posted by: L, Elle at November 13, 2015 12:46 PM (2x3L+)
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If you think building a wall is going to change anything you're deluded. It's a simple solution that will solve nothing
My boss owns thousands of acres all around California. We've been putting walls and fences on all of it, particularly since gov Brown started releasing non-violent criminals (translation: thieves and drug addicts). We used to have robberies almost daily. With the fencing, we are down to two per year. Anybody who claims fences don't work is a fucking moron. Or liar.
My boss owns thousands of acres all around California. We've been putting walls and fences on all of it, particularly since gov Brown started releasing non-violent criminals (translation: thieves and drug addicts). We used to have robberies almost daily. With the fencing, we are down to two per year. Anybody who claims fences don't work is a fucking moron. Or liar.
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I hope Trump jams it up the GOPe's ass. The law is being flouted and socialism is being implemented through the bureaucracy, the courts, and by pen and phone. The supposed opposition party is complicit in all of this. Trump has name recognition, a fighting instinct, and enough money to tell the bow-tie clad GOPe to get bent. There is no one else.
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Here's what I really want, politically:
- I want the size of the Federal Government reduced to an affordable, sustainable level.
- I want all Federal Regulations reviewed and the ones that hurt the economy the most while providing the least benefit to be repealed.
- I want to limit the ability of the Executive bureaucracy to implement regulations without the approval of Congress
- I want illegal immigration to be made as difficult as possible, I want big fines against employers who hire illegal immigrants, I want illegal immigrants cut off from accessing welfare (for real), and I want businesses to pay more to hire foreign workers than American workers
- I want the tax code reformed so that it treats everyone equally; without carve-outs for politically connected special interests
- I want a foreign policy that treats our allies as friends and our enemies as threats.
I don't see any of the Republican candidates delivering any part of this. That is why I despair.
- I want the size of the Federal Government reduced to an affordable, sustainable level.
- I want all Federal Regulations reviewed and the ones that hurt the economy the most while providing the least benefit to be repealed.
- I want to limit the ability of the Executive bureaucracy to implement regulations without the approval of Congress
- I want illegal immigration to be made as difficult as possible, I want big fines against employers who hire illegal immigrants, I want illegal immigrants cut off from accessing welfare (for real), and I want businesses to pay more to hire foreign workers than American workers
- I want the tax code reformed so that it treats everyone equally; without carve-outs for politically connected special interests
- I want a foreign policy that treats our allies as friends and our enemies as threats.
I don't see any of the Republican candidates delivering any part of this. That is why I despair.
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To al the wall naysayers; it's worked elsewhere so why not try it here?
What's the harm? At worst it does nothing (which I think will not happen) at best it actually stops the flood so that we can deal with the other invaders coming on visas and over staying.
And once we've stabilized the inflow, we can deal with those already here.
So what's the harm of building a wall? Declare the actual negatives not just that in your opinion it won't work.
Anecdotes about how a wall doesn't work when there isn't one now are disingenuous at best. And outright fcuking lies most likely.
What's the harm? At worst it does nothing (which I think will not happen) at best it actually stops the flood so that we can deal with the other invaders coming on visas and over staying.
And once we've stabilized the inflow, we can deal with those already here.
So what's the harm of building a wall? Declare the actual negatives not just that in your opinion it won't work.
Anecdotes about how a wall doesn't work when there isn't one now are disingenuous at best. And outright fcuking lies most likely.
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I don't really know that attractiveness isn't subtly a factor with men either. I mean the people who watched the Kennedy/ Nixon debates were not all women and attractiveness was a factor in that
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Commenter Red Stick had a very good first-hand LA summary on an ONT a few weeks ago, explained why Jindal has slumped in his own state.Owing to the usual brain damage issues, I can't remember the details. But they were pretty clear and mundane. Essentially Jindal had really failed to go the distance to actually push through some of his key ideas, instead doing the politically lazy thing. Something like that.
Commenter Red Stick had a very good first-hand LA summary on an ONT a few weeks ago, explained why Jindal has slumped in his own state.Owing to the usual brain damage issues, I can't remember the details. But they were pretty clear and mundane. Essentially Jindal had really failed to go the distance to actually push through some of his key ideas, instead doing the politically lazy thing. Something like that.
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>>It is not a solution. It is a Start.
Also a strong message and tangible proof of intent to protect national sovereignty.
Also a strong message and tangible proof of intent to protect national sovereignty.
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I do agree we could have fixed illegal immigration for good after 9/11 but Dubya tried to be a bipartisan war President and got shit to show for it.
Posted by: Coolio at November 13, 2015 12:45 PM (VjX9z)
He did his Flounder impression: He f@cked up; he trusted the Democrats to be loyal Americans.
Posted by: Coolio at November 13, 2015 12:45 PM (VjX9z)
He did his Flounder impression: He f@cked up; he trusted the Democrats to be loyal Americans.
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Trump/Rowe 2016!
Or my personal choice...as a denizen of Boston...
Trump/Brady 2016!!!!!
http://bit.ly/1PrNyol
Or my personal choice...as a denizen of Boston...
Trump/Brady 2016!!!!!
http://bit.ly/1PrNyol
Posted by: Ghost of kari at November 13, 2015 12:48 PM (xuouz)
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show of hands
who really thinks OUR border patrol is really stopping the flow of illegals at border crossings
I know they look for drugs
I know they look for guns
I hope they look for terrorists
but I have ZERO confidence they are looking for human smugglers
show of hands
who really thinks OUR border patrol is really stopping the flow of illegals at border crossings
I know they look for drugs
I know they look for guns
I hope they look for terrorists
but I have ZERO confidence they are looking for human smugglers
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2015 12:49 PM (zOTsN)
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Except that they have to go through a border station
first where their bona fides to enter the USA are verified. A border
station surrounded by long stretches of fences and walls. All that is required to expand that existing setup further to the east. Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2015 12:43 PM
As one who made countless trips up and down I-5 from L.A. to "Dago, I would counsel you to not set this up as a shining example of border control.
Yes, it was a sorta casual identity check as you went North, when it was in operation. Which was sporadically. The rest of the time it was zoom-zoom right on through for everyone.
The one time I was hassled coming through, it should have been clear to any sentient being that I was a) not Mexican and b) not carrying any Mexicans. On at least three other trips, I was driving a box truck and they didn't bother to lift the load door.
first where their bona fides to enter the USA are verified. A border
station surrounded by long stretches of fences and walls. All that is required to expand that existing setup further to the east. Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2015 12:43 PM
As one who made countless trips up and down I-5 from L.A. to "Dago, I would counsel you to not set this up as a shining example of border control.
Yes, it was a sorta casual identity check as you went North, when it was in operation. Which was sporadically. The rest of the time it was zoom-zoom right on through for everyone.
The one time I was hassled coming through, it should have been clear to any sentient being that I was a) not Mexican and b) not carrying any Mexicans. On at least three other trips, I was driving a box truck and they didn't bother to lift the load door.
Posted by: MrScribbler at November 13, 2015 12:49 PM (OSULx)
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Jindal's manner of speaking is his biggest problem. He talks too quickly. He mumbles his words.
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>>Mike Rowe = 49 States.
OK, now *that* guy makes me weak in the knees....
Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2015 12:49 PM (NOIQH)
Yeah, me too. And I am 200% hetero.
>>Mike Rowe = 49 States.
OK, now *that* guy makes me weak in the knees....
Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2015 12:49 PM (NOIQH)
Yeah, me too. And I am 200% hetero.
Posted by: rebel flounder at November 13, 2015 12:50 PM (3dOE/)
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As Ace inferred recently . . . good evidence that the republic is dead.
As Tom Wolfe said, "The Republican Party as now constituted is obviously too stupid to survive".
I get where you're coming from DrewM, but I have to wonder if Jindal is but another thimble full of water on a very, very, large fire.
As Tom Wolfe said, "The Republican Party as now constituted is obviously too stupid to survive".
I get where you're coming from DrewM, but I have to wonder if Jindal is but another thimble full of water on a very, very, large fire.
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Probably right, but let me put on my Amateur Sociobiology hat for a moment. For most of our evolutionary history, male attractiveness to females has been bound up in the ability to hunt, defend, provide, etc. So I would argue, particulalry for women, that the issues of "competence" and "leadership" are much more intimately bound up with what we might call sexual attraction than for men.
So yes there may be subtle "attractiveness" factors for men too, but I think when it comes to voting for "leadership" type positions, its much more significant for women voters, cuz biology.
Probably right, but let me put on my Amateur Sociobiology hat for a moment. For most of our evolutionary history, male attractiveness to females has been bound up in the ability to hunt, defend, provide, etc. So I would argue, particulalry for women, that the issues of "competence" and "leadership" are much more intimately bound up with what we might call sexual attraction than for men.
So yes there may be subtle "attractiveness" factors for men too, but I think when it comes to voting for "leadership" type positions, its much more significant for women voters, cuz biology.
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Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2015 12:43 PM (noWW6)
My point is, why build a wall when all that has to be done to get in is to drive across the border and disappear?
My point is, why build a wall when all that has to be done to get in is to drive across the border and disappear?
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Jindal doesn't have a chance at this point. I hope he has a bright future because I agree with you about him, but he's dead this cycle. The only thing you'll get is Rubio, or maybe a resurrected Jeb.
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people drive into to Texs from Mexico too
jammed 40 of them in the back of a semi
we need to do better at the check point too
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2015 12:45 PM (zOTsN)
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Notice how the mutuality and laws work. Who was that Marine guy who took the wrong turn at the border? Not treated like people coming from Mexico and points south.
Obviously, we were taken over by Mexico when we weren't looking. Just look at who is more powerful in the relationship.
Paying for the wall and deportations would be simple if remittances to the southerly countries were taxed -- at 50% for instance. Who has the cojones to do it?
jammed 40 of them in the back of a semi
we need to do better at the check point too
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2015 12:45 PM (zOTsN)
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Notice how the mutuality and laws work. Who was that Marine guy who took the wrong turn at the border? Not treated like people coming from Mexico and points south.
Obviously, we were taken over by Mexico when we weren't looking. Just look at who is more powerful in the relationship.
Paying for the wall and deportations would be simple if remittances to the southerly countries were taxed -- at 50% for instance. Who has the cojones to do it?
Posted by: mustbequantum at November 13, 2015 12:52 PM (MIKMs)
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Wall + No Welfare + E-Verify will fix 80-90% of the problem. The rest can be deported.
Remember those Boston marathon brothers were living off a lot of welfare. Any candidate that uses that single case as a reason to end welfare benefits for illegals will win big. This is an issue that resonates with mainstream voters both R and D. It's only wealthy, white liberals and retard Dems and GOPe that don't support this.
Remember those Boston marathon brothers were living off a lot of welfare. Any candidate that uses that single case as a reason to end welfare benefits for illegals will win big. This is an issue that resonates with mainstream voters both R and D. It's only wealthy, white liberals and retard Dems and GOPe that don't support this.
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If Jindal wins, we'll be up to our necks in nerd shit.
Posted by: Stan Gable at November 13, 2015 12:52 PM (OD2ni)
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Anybody who claims fences don't work is a fucking moron. Or liar.Posted by: wooga at November 13, 2015 12:46 PM
Fences are a concrete example of 'I own this, you don't.'
Out of 1, 000 people confronted by a fence 999 of them will respect that an obstacle has been put in their path for a reason.
Out of 1, 000 not confronted by an obstacle, 1, 000 of them will continue.
Fences are a concrete example of 'I own this, you don't.'
Out of 1, 000 people confronted by a fence 999 of them will respect that an obstacle has been put in their path for a reason.
Out of 1, 000 not confronted by an obstacle, 1, 000 of them will continue.
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"You wanna enforce the law? I bet you call Mexicans wetbacks, don't you? Pardon me for having to say that hideous and deeply unsettling name, it was only to point out what a RACIST Donald Trump is. RACISTTTTTT. And you are too! If you support him."
Posted by: Ghost of kari at November 13, 2015 12:53 PM (xuouz)
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A come from behind miracle Jindal surge would be so freakin' awesome!
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Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2015 12:43 PM (noWW6)
My point is, why build a wall when all that has to be done to get in is to drive across the border and disappear?
Posted by: CozMark at November 13, 2015 12:52 PM (CbGSW)
False dichotomy. Any reason we cannot have both a wall and improvements that prevent the circumvention you identify?
Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2015 12:43 PM (noWW6)
My point is, why build a wall when all that has to be done to get in is to drive across the border and disappear?
Posted by: CozMark at November 13, 2015 12:52 PM (CbGSW)
False dichotomy. Any reason we cannot have both a wall and improvements that prevent the circumvention you identify?
Posted by: rebel flounder at November 13, 2015 12:54 PM (3dOE/)
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I find it interesting that the people who would have the best chance at winning either won't run or aren't running.
It takes ego to think you can lead a country.
And that ego has to have a foundation in reality and not your imagination.
It's why we get so many narcissists.
And who really would have it any other way.
Americans are like herding cats. There's always gonna be some jack hole that wants to do it their way and it takes a strong personality and force of will to get those types back in line.
it's why Trump is leading. Carson is the anti-Trump. A reaction by the base who hate the GOPe but also don't like that the answer seems to be Trump. So they're going Carson in the polls (if those polls aren't being manipulated by the GOPe)
We will begin to see better before the primaries and after New Hampshire.
So far the contest is Carson and Trump. The others are just tag alongs.
It takes ego to think you can lead a country.
And that ego has to have a foundation in reality and not your imagination.
It's why we get so many narcissists.
And who really would have it any other way.
Americans are like herding cats. There's always gonna be some jack hole that wants to do it their way and it takes a strong personality and force of will to get those types back in line.
it's why Trump is leading. Carson is the anti-Trump. A reaction by the base who hate the GOPe but also don't like that the answer seems to be Trump. So they're going Carson in the polls (if those polls aren't being manipulated by the GOPe)
We will begin to see better before the primaries and after New Hampshire.
So far the contest is Carson and Trump. The others are just tag alongs.
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If the wall gets built you won't be able to drive straight across the border.
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Anybody who claims fences don't work is a fucking moron. Or liar.
Posted by: wooga at November 13, 2015 12:46 PM (EJxGp)
It's not that a wall wouldn't work but that it is interior enforcement that is the truly important aspect of national integrity. It is the fact that American landowners have no right to defend their own property against foreign invaders that is the problem. It is the fact that anyone who sets foot on American soil cannot be deported that is the problem. It is the fact that the feral government has allied with a nation supporting an invasion of our land to fight against an American state trying to defend our sovereignty (when no one else will) that is the problem. It is the courts that side with that invading nation and the anti-American feral government in that case that is the problem.
A wall is a minimal physical obstacle that will do minimal physical work in protecting our sovereign territory. But the flow of illegals will not abate because of it. Millions come through here every year on some sort of visa and only a small percentage need to overstay in order to fill us up with illegals in no time - even apart from continued breeches of a wall that will, undoubtedly, not be defended in any way and for which anyone who makes it two inches past it becomes part of the interior problem and, therefore, essentially immune from deportation.
The wall is a nice, small step but it is basically meaningless without interior enforcement, which has always been and will always be the key point in protecting our sovereign territory.
Posted by: wooga at November 13, 2015 12:46 PM (EJxGp)
It's not that a wall wouldn't work but that it is interior enforcement that is the truly important aspect of national integrity. It is the fact that American landowners have no right to defend their own property against foreign invaders that is the problem. It is the fact that anyone who sets foot on American soil cannot be deported that is the problem. It is the fact that the feral government has allied with a nation supporting an invasion of our land to fight against an American state trying to defend our sovereignty (when no one else will) that is the problem. It is the courts that side with that invading nation and the anti-American feral government in that case that is the problem.
A wall is a minimal physical obstacle that will do minimal physical work in protecting our sovereign territory. But the flow of illegals will not abate because of it. Millions come through here every year on some sort of visa and only a small percentage need to overstay in order to fill us up with illegals in no time - even apart from continued breeches of a wall that will, undoubtedly, not be defended in any way and for which anyone who makes it two inches past it becomes part of the interior problem and, therefore, essentially immune from deportation.
The wall is a nice, small step but it is basically meaningless without interior enforcement, which has always been and will always be the key point in protecting our sovereign territory.
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osted by: CozMark at November 13, 2015 12:52 PM (CbGSW)
False dichotomy. Any reason we cannot have both a wall and improvements that prevent the circumvention you identify?
Posted by: rebel flounder at November 13, 2015 12:54 PM (3dOE/)
true. its not a zero sum game. You can have both
False dichotomy. Any reason we cannot have both a wall and improvements that prevent the circumvention you identify?
Posted by: rebel flounder at November 13, 2015 12:54 PM (3dOE/)
true. its not a zero sum game. You can have both
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The one time I was hassled coming through, it should have been clear to any sentient being that I was a) not Mexican and b) not carrying any Mexicans. On at least three other trips, I was driving a box truck and they didn't bother to lift the load door.
Posted by: MrScribbler at November 13, 2015 12:49 PM (OSULx)
The checkpoints seem like more security theater to me. I've seen a lot of youtube videos people have put up of Border Patrol encounters and they seem more interesting in being dicks to people who clearly aren't here illegally or trying to smuggle anyone over the border than they are in actually catching illegals.
Posted by: MrScribbler at November 13, 2015 12:49 PM (OSULx)
The checkpoints seem like more security theater to me. I've seen a lot of youtube videos people have put up of Border Patrol encounters and they seem more interesting in being dicks to people who clearly aren't here illegally or trying to smuggle anyone over the border than they are in actually catching illegals.
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"[Obamacare is] going to collapse on its own and the exit president will have to fix it."
Inadvertently revealing typo of the day.
I figure that we are in fact now pretty close to having an "exit president", to wit, the last one that the USA as traditionally constituted will have before its exit.
After that? Either Caesarism, or fragmentation.
Inadvertently revealing typo of the day.
I figure that we are in fact now pretty close to having an "exit president", to wit, the last one that the USA as traditionally constituted will have before its exit.
After that? Either Caesarism, or fragmentation.
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We don't need a wall. We could put up a virtual wall with drones and cover every inch of that border 7 x 24. The wall argument is just a distraction.
What we need is will, not wall. Without that this is all just noise.
What we need is will, not wall. Without that this is all just noise.
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That's one the reasons I continue to say:
Mike Rowe = 49 States.
Posted by: jwest at November 13, 2015 12:46 PM (Zs4uk)
Still wouldn't vote for a man just because he makes me tingle but I gotta say I have had a long standing and sadly unrequited lust on for Mike Rowe.
Mike Rowe = 49 States.
Posted by: jwest at November 13, 2015 12:46 PM (Zs4uk)
Still wouldn't vote for a man just because he makes me tingle but I gotta say I have had a long standing and sadly unrequited lust on for Mike Rowe.
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I want a wall/fence for the symbolism, but yea, I agree that if the fence was built tomorrow, we still have 10-20 million illegals that are here and have already crossed the fence.
But any politician that opposes a fence wants illegal immigration.
But any politician that opposes a fence wants illegal immigration.
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No traction. Pointless post.
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osted by: CozMark at November 13, 2015 12:52 PM (CbGSW)
False dichotomy. Any reason we cannot have both a wall and improvements that prevent the circumvention you identify?
Posted by: rebel flounder at November 13, 2015 12:54 PM (3dOE/)
true. its not a zero sum game. You can have both
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2015 12:55 PM (zOTsN)
And more of what ThePOP identified. This is not rocket surgery, here. I am flabbergasted that even people on our side of the issue think it is.
osted by: CozMark at November 13, 2015 12:52 PM (CbGSW)
False dichotomy. Any reason we cannot have both a wall and improvements that prevent the circumvention you identify?
Posted by: rebel flounder at November 13, 2015 12:54 PM (3dOE/)
true. its not a zero sum game. You can have both
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2015 12:55 PM (zOTsN)
And more of what ThePOP identified. This is not rocket surgery, here. I am flabbergasted that even people on our side of the issue think it is.
Posted by: rebel flounder at November 13, 2015 12:58 PM (3dOE/)
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Can't be. I've been repeatedly assured that any "True Conservative" would be overwhelmingly popular. Jindal isn't already overwhelmingly popular. Ergo he must not be a true Conservative. Because people are so hungry for a True Conservative that whoever is most popular must already be a True Conservative because that's what people are overwhelmingly hungry for.
Q.E.D.
And anyone who disagrees must want to elect another RINO squish/closet Democrat.
Q.E.D.
And anyone who disagrees must want to elect another RINO squish/closet Democrat.
Posted by: JohnJ at November 13, 2015 12:58 PM (TF/YA)
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I don't really know that attractiveness isn't
subtly a factor with men either.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2015 12:47 PM
Agreed. Oodles of studies, usually talking about business executives that I've seen, show a marked difference in the perception of competence when it comes to men considered handsome or attractive by those making the judgement, gender notwithstanding. It's not about "OMG hawt!" but competence. Silly, but true.
subtly a factor with men either.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 13, 2015 12:47 PM
Agreed. Oodles of studies, usually talking about business executives that I've seen, show a marked difference in the perception of competence when it comes to men considered handsome or attractive by those making the judgement, gender notwithstanding. It's not about "OMG hawt!" but competence. Silly, but true.
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Yes, it was a sorta casual identity check as you went North, when it was in operation. Which was sporadically. The rest of the time it was zoom-zoom right on through for everyone.
You're referring to the San Clemente checkpoint? I believe the original comment concerned the border checkpoint, which is always in operation, and is a lot more rigorous. The San Clemente one is a joke, to be sure.
You're referring to the San Clemente checkpoint? I believe the original comment concerned the border checkpoint, which is always in operation, and is a lot more rigorous. The San Clemente one is a joke, to be sure.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2015 12:58 PM (oKE6c)
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The wall won't work? Hungary's new razor wire wall has fixed their Syrian problem completely. This is why I can't support Carson. He joins in with the "It can't be done! it's not realistic" that the amnesty lovers use as an argument to dismiss the idea out of hand
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We don't need a wall. We could put up a virtual wall with drones and cover every inch of that border 7 x 24. The wall argument is just a distraction.
What we need is will, not wall. Without that this is all just noise.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2015 12:56 PM (/tuJf)
I disagree. We need both
What we need is will, not wall. Without that this is all just noise.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2015 12:56 PM (/tuJf)
I disagree. We need both
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Wall + No Welfare + E-Verify will fix 80-90% of the problem. The rest can be deported.
eVerify misses 54% of illegal workers.
One reason is, once the system approves a worker once, that worker is *always* approved automatically from then on.
Also, eVerify is programmed to give the benefit of the doubt to the applicant being verified.
Also, eVerify is only as good as the database it checks against.
eVerify misses 54% of illegal workers.
One reason is, once the system approves a worker once, that worker is *always* approved automatically from then on.
Also, eVerify is programmed to give the benefit of the doubt to the applicant being verified.
Also, eVerify is only as good as the database it checks against.
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Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 13, 2015 12:55 PM (zc3Db)
You can't have interior enforcement if the border is leaking.
first you shut off the flow and then you take care of the water and then you fix the plumbing.
It's just logical to cut off the flow first. It's what Hungary did, it's what Israel finally did (after being told a wall wouldn't work for all the reasons given here today).
And guess what. IT FCUKING WORKS!
You can't have interior enforcement if the border is leaking.
first you shut off the flow and then you take care of the water and then you fix the plumbing.
It's just logical to cut off the flow first. It's what Hungary did, it's what Israel finally did (after being told a wall wouldn't work for all the reasons given here today).
And guess what. IT FCUKING WORKS!
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Jindal vs. Hillary?
I would vote a thousand times in a row for Jindal. The difference is that clear.
Hillary could possibly be the most corrupt candidate for the Presidency ever. Trump's speech yesterday knocked the report of the FBI taking the classification of her emails over from the State Department.
The FBI has stated that ODNI and Clapper do not have the authority in the ongoing investigation to declare any of Hillary's emails as --not classified.
I would vote a thousand times in a row for Jindal. The difference is that clear.
Hillary could possibly be the most corrupt candidate for the Presidency ever. Trump's speech yesterday knocked the report of the FBI taking the classification of her emails over from the State Department.
The FBI has stated that ODNI and Clapper do not have the authority in the ongoing investigation to declare any of Hillary's emails as --not classified.
Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 13, 2015 01:00 PM (mcm0N)
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"My point is, why build a wall when all that has to be done to get in is to drive across the border and disappear?"
If it were as easy as is posited here to do so, why is it that all of the inbound illegals do not do precisely what is described above?
Instead they hike in overland. Millions of them on foot. There are reasons for them to choose that option.
If it were as easy as is posited here to do so, why is it that all of the inbound illegals do not do precisely what is described above?
Instead they hike in overland. Millions of them on foot. There are reasons for them to choose that option.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2015 01:00 PM (noWW6)
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If Jindal wins, we'll be up to our necks in nerd shit.
Posted by: Stan Gable at November 13, 2015 12:52 PM
NERDS!!!!111!!!!!
Posted by: Stan Gable at November 13, 2015 12:52 PM
NERDS!!!!111!!!!!
Posted by: Frederick Palowakski at November 13, 2015 01:01 PM (ttnnR)
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I usually cant praise Republican Governors enough, but Governor Jindal has turned out to be unstable during this cycle. Just because his campaign failed to develop momentum, he threw in with the people, who never tire of declaring the Republican Party to be the actual problem in this country. Its beyond me how anyone can mistake that for a winning message, unless he is a Democrat, of course.
Posted by: Begonia at November 13, 2015 01:01 PM (PLAKH)
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You're referring to the San Clemente checkpoint? I believe the original comment concerned the border checkpoint, which is always in operation, and is a lot more rigorous. The San Clemente one is a joke, to be sure.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2015 12:58 PM (oKE6c)
I always got the impression that at the San Clemente checkpoint and the one on I-10 East of El Paso they were looking for specific cars or individuals and they may have been profiling for you-know-who, although they'd never admit it.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2015 12:58 PM (oKE6c)
I always got the impression that at the San Clemente checkpoint and the one on I-10 East of El Paso they were looking for specific cars or individuals and they may have been profiling for you-know-who, although they'd never admit it.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 13, 2015 01:01 PM (5f5bM)
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317 I want a wall/fence for the symbolism, but yea, I agree that if the fence was built tomorrow, we still have 10-20 million illegals that are here and have already crossed the fence.
But any politician that opposes a fence wants illegal immigration.
Posted by: Coolio at November 13, 2015 12:57 PM (VjX9z)
Then we implement the economic wall. Want to go to school? Collect welfare? Get a job? Pretty much do anything? Show proof of legal residence.
Also, withhold tax on wire transfers to Mexico (say transfers of less than $50,000, so as not to impede business unduly). You can get the money back if/when you file your Federal income tax return, Pablo.
But any politician that opposes a fence wants illegal immigration.
Posted by: Coolio at November 13, 2015 12:57 PM (VjX9z)
Then we implement the economic wall. Want to go to school? Collect welfare? Get a job? Pretty much do anything? Show proof of legal residence.
Also, withhold tax on wire transfers to Mexico (say transfers of less than $50,000, so as not to impede business unduly). You can get the money back if/when you file your Federal income tax return, Pablo.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2015 01:01 PM (oKE6c)
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...and they seem more interesting in being dicks to
people who clearly aren't here illegally or trying to smuggle anyone
over the border than they are in actually catching illegals.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 13, 2015 12:55 PM
I always loved a gag I heard long ago. Wish I could remember who said it:
BORDER GUARD: "Are you bringing anything back with you, sir?"
GUY COMING HOME FROM MEXICO: "Jeeez, I hope not!"
people who clearly aren't here illegally or trying to smuggle anyone
over the border than they are in actually catching illegals.
Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 13, 2015 12:55 PM
I always loved a gag I heard long ago. Wish I could remember who said it:
BORDER GUARD: "Are you bringing anything back with you, sir?"
GUY COMING HOME FROM MEXICO: "Jeeez, I hope not!"
Posted by: MrScribbler at November 13, 2015 01:01 PM (OSULx)
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So far the contest is Carson and Trump. The others are just tag alongs.
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You're right. But I might add that keeping Cruz along keeps the debate on the conservative side. Just sayin'.
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You're right. But I might add that keeping Cruz along keeps the debate on the conservative side. Just sayin'.
Posted by: Soona at November 13, 2015 01:01 PM (Fmupd)
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My point is, why build a wall when all that has to be done to get in is to drive across the border and disappear?
Posted by: CozMark at November 13, 2015 12:52 PM (CbGSW)
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Holy shit, can't you secure both? This is OUR BORDER. A border without control is not a border. A nation without a border is not a nation. This is Sovereignty 101.
Posted by: CozMark at November 13, 2015 12:52 PM (CbGSW)
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Holy shit, can't you secure both? This is OUR BORDER. A border without control is not a border. A nation without a border is not a nation. This is Sovereignty 101.
Posted by: CJ at November 13, 2015 01:01 PM (9KqcB)
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A wall isn't the be all and end all, but it will help a lot.
Fining the living shit out of people who hire illegals will help, too.
Also, let's reform the H1-B program by requiring companies to pay more for foreigners than for comparable American workers.
Fining the living shit out of people who hire illegals will help, too.
Also, let's reform the H1-B program by requiring companies to pay more for foreigners than for comparable American workers.
Posted by: V the K at November 13, 2015 01:01 PM (O7MnT)
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What is the special idiocy that claims to believe (hard to take it as a serious contention) that border barriers don't "work"?
Of course they do, obviously. The San Diego sector had casual border crossing until that was stopped by ...... (drum roll) ..... a barrier. So the casual - becoming more "professional" and serious and voluminous - traffic was pushed east to east SD county and the El Centro sector (no barrier). Duh. The cartels have - in vain - tried to preserve some direct access to the SD area via tunnels, which of course are not cost-effective for human trafficking (they're for drug smuggling), and unsurprisingly haven't been very successful as smuggling avenues either (too expensive to build, too easy to discover and defeat).
A full border barrier would not rank as one of the most notable or expensive civil engineering projects of even recent history, it would be highly effective and completely change the situation WRT one (major) category of illegal migration. Period. Claiming otherwise is just advertizing one's ignorance of basic subjects and specifically long-standing experience on the actual border.
What is the special idiocy that claims to believe (hard to take it as a serious contention) that border barriers don't "work"?
Of course they do, obviously. The San Diego sector had casual border crossing until that was stopped by ...... (drum roll) ..... a barrier. So the casual - becoming more "professional" and serious and voluminous - traffic was pushed east to east SD county and the El Centro sector (no barrier). Duh. The cartels have - in vain - tried to preserve some direct access to the SD area via tunnels, which of course are not cost-effective for human trafficking (they're for drug smuggling), and unsurprisingly haven't been very successful as smuggling avenues either (too expensive to build, too easy to discover and defeat).
A full border barrier would not rank as one of the most notable or expensive civil engineering projects of even recent history, it would be highly effective and completely change the situation WRT one (major) category of illegal migration. Period. Claiming otherwise is just advertizing one's ignorance of basic subjects and specifically long-standing experience on the actual border.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 13, 2015 01:01 PM (QDnY+)
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Oh no...it's Newt all over again. Which doomed candidate will Drew hitch his star too when Jindal drops out?
Posted by: Srsly at November 13, 2015 01:01 PM (v+U1z)
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2 new threads. One a postmodern deconstruction of non-art art.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 13, 2015 01:02 PM (E5UB0)
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I always got the impression that at the San Clemente
checkpoint and the one on I-10 East of El Paso they were looking for
specific cars or individuals and they may have been profiling for
you-know-who, although they'd never admit it.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 13, 2015 01:01 PM (5f5bM)
Could be. That would make more sense. There's also a Border Patrol outpost on I-15 where they never eyeball anyone. They're presumably there to respond to alerts from other LEOs.
checkpoint and the one on I-10 East of El Paso they were looking for
specific cars or individuals and they may have been profiling for
you-know-who, although they'd never admit it.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 13, 2015 01:01 PM (5f5bM)
Could be. That would make more sense. There's also a Border Patrol outpost on I-15 where they never eyeball anyone. They're presumably there to respond to alerts from other LEOs.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2015 01:02 PM (oKE6c)
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Meant to say--kept the report off the headlines.
Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 13, 2015 01:03 PM (mcm0N)
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Driving through Mexican border in Texas.
You can drive right through, but 20 miles up the road is a second border check where they give everyone a serious going over.
I had a buddy that was trying to bring a Mexican Hook he fell in love with back to NC. They stopped them at the second check point. She didn't speak English and all she had in her suitcase were go go outfits and underwear.
He got arrested, they sent her back. Funny as shit story to hear his roommate tell it.
You can drive right through, but 20 miles up the road is a second border check where they give everyone a serious going over.
I had a buddy that was trying to bring a Mexican Hook he fell in love with back to NC. They stopped them at the second check point. She didn't speak English and all she had in her suitcase were go go outfits and underwear.
He got arrested, they sent her back. Funny as shit story to hear his roommate tell it.
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 13, 2015 01:03 PM (jJRIy)
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Why is the Mexican government let off the hook?
Why not make it economically painful for them to keep playing this game?
As a benefit, going after the Mexican government is a lot more politically palatable to squishy moderates.
Why not make it economically painful for them to keep playing this game?
As a benefit, going after the Mexican government is a lot more politically palatable to squishy moderates.
Posted by: CJ at November 13, 2015 01:04 PM (9KqcB)
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Posted by: rhomboid at November 13, 2015 01:01 PM (QDnY+)
Well said. The goal isn't to stop every goddamned border crossing; it's to raise the ante enough that the flood becomes a trickle. We can deal with a trickle; it's the flood that's the problem.
Well said. The goal isn't to stop every goddamned border crossing; it's to raise the ante enough that the flood becomes a trickle. We can deal with a trickle; it's the flood that's the problem.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2015 01:04 PM (oKE6c)
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I had a buddy that was trying to bring a Mexican Hook he fell in love with back to NC. They stopped them at the second check point. She didn't speak English and all she had in her suitcase were go go outfits and underwear.
He got arrested, they sent her back. Funny as shit story to hear his roommate tell it.
Posted by: Nip Sip a
well then they must not stop the semis. Every week there is a story of a semi crammed with illegals getting stopped in Houston
He got arrested, they sent her back. Funny as shit story to hear his roommate tell it.
Posted by: Nip Sip a
well then they must not stop the semis. Every week there is a story of a semi crammed with illegals getting stopped in Houston
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2015 01:04 PM (zOTsN)
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Then we implement the economic wall. Want to go to school? Collect welfare? Get a job? Pretty much do anything? Show proof of legal residence.
Also, withhold tax on wire transfers to Mexico (say transfers of less than $50,000, so as not to impede business unduly). You can get the money back if/when you file your Federal income tax return, Pablo.
Posted by: Jay Guevara
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I agree, a few small changes in federal law would fix 90% of the problem overnight.
Just the school thing alone would probably mean half of them would leave.
I remember talking to a teacher that was at a primarily Hispanic school and the state passed a law basically cracking down on that (I'm fairly certain a judge overturned it) but he said the next day half the class didn't show up because they thought the party was finally over.
Also, withhold tax on wire transfers to Mexico (say transfers of less than $50,000, so as not to impede business unduly). You can get the money back if/when you file your Federal income tax return, Pablo.
Posted by: Jay Guevara
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I agree, a few small changes in federal law would fix 90% of the problem overnight.
Just the school thing alone would probably mean half of them would leave.
I remember talking to a teacher that was at a primarily Hispanic school and the state passed a law basically cracking down on that (I'm fairly certain a judge overturned it) but he said the next day half the class didn't show up because they thought the party was finally over.
Posted by: Coolio at November 13, 2015 01:05 PM (VjX9z)
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Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2015 12:56 PM (/tuJf)
virtual walls don't work.
They're usefulness is in pinpointing where to send immediate resources. If the leak is so widespread and there aren't enough resources your virtual wall is useless. Unless you have weapons free drones patrolling or death zones.
but that's not practical. Neither are virtual walls.
They tried that in Viet Nam. Didn't work. Sure the tech is better now but the failure wasn't so much tech as not enough boots to cover the intrusions.
Walls can be built that keep out 97%. Israel has done it. We don't need to wall the entire border either.
And a virtual wall would be an asset in combination with a physical wall and reserve patrols that can be sent in to check intrusions.
Walls allow you to concentrate your forces where needed and when needed. Right now they're too spread out and the border leaks.
And the check points can be done better. They're are scanners that could sense bodies in trailers and cars but there's no use doing that right now because the border leaks.
build the wall. Explain why not rather than just state it won't work. show the math.
virtual walls don't work.
They're usefulness is in pinpointing where to send immediate resources. If the leak is so widespread and there aren't enough resources your virtual wall is useless. Unless you have weapons free drones patrolling or death zones.
but that's not practical. Neither are virtual walls.
They tried that in Viet Nam. Didn't work. Sure the tech is better now but the failure wasn't so much tech as not enough boots to cover the intrusions.
Walls can be built that keep out 97%. Israel has done it. We don't need to wall the entire border either.
And a virtual wall would be an asset in combination with a physical wall and reserve patrols that can be sent in to check intrusions.
Walls allow you to concentrate your forces where needed and when needed. Right now they're too spread out and the border leaks.
And the check points can be done better. They're are scanners that could sense bodies in trailers and cars but there's no use doing that right now because the border leaks.
build the wall. Explain why not rather than just state it won't work. show the math.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 13, 2015 01:05 PM (Xo1Rt)
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"As one who made countless trips up and down I-5 from L.A. to 'Dago, I
would counsel you to not set this up as a shining example of border
control."
I'm not referring to that occasionally operating internal checkpoint which is far from the border proper. I'm referring to the San Ysidro Border Station, on the actual international border with Tijuana on the other side.
That station is south of San Diego, not north of it. It's always in operation and it's rare for people to get waved through without being questioned.
would counsel you to not set this up as a shining example of border
control."
I'm not referring to that occasionally operating internal checkpoint which is far from the border proper. I'm referring to the San Ysidro Border Station, on the actual international border with Tijuana on the other side.
That station is south of San Diego, not north of it. It's always in operation and it's rare for people to get waved through without being questioned.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2015 01:06 PM (noWW6)
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Yes, but will he name Phil Robertson to head the National Endowment for the Arts? Head of PBS would be good too.
Posted by: Glen at November 13, 2015 01:06 PM (2062A)
Posted by: willow at November 13, 2015 01:07 PM (YvRAm)
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What good is a wall in the middle of nowhere if (instead of trekking through a waterless, roadless, mountainous desert) all you have to do to get into the US is drive through a border checkpoint and go wherever you want to go?
Posted by: CozMark at November 13, 2015 01:08 PM (CbGSW)
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I agree, a few small changes in federal law would fix 90% of the problem overnight.
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As I said, what we need more than a wall is the will.
The fact that U.S. citizenship is being sold by our elites for votes and cheap labor would drive me up the wall if there was one.
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As I said, what we need more than a wall is the will.
The fact that U.S. citizenship is being sold by our elites for votes and cheap labor would drive me up the wall if there was one.
Posted by: CJ at November 13, 2015 01:08 PM (9KqcB)
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perhaps nerd descriptions are in the details
Posted by: willow at November 13, 2015 01:08 PM (YvRAm)
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Jindal is the best candidate we have on policy and ideas, by far. Which is why Trump or Rubio will probably be our nominee.
Posted by: Hillary's alcoholic depression at November 13, 2015 01:08 PM (T1Jm0)
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That station is south of San Diego, not north of it.
It's always in operation and it's rare for people to get waved through
without being questioned. Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2015 01:06 PM
Yeah, that one's different. And better.
Thought you were referring to the one up by Camp Pendleton.
It's always in operation and it's rare for people to get waved through
without being questioned. Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2015 01:06 PM
Yeah, that one's different. And better.
Thought you were referring to the one up by Camp Pendleton.
Posted by: MrScribbler at November 13, 2015 01:08 PM (OSULx)
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You can't have interior enforcement if the border is leaking.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 13, 2015 12:59 PM (Xo1Rt)
I would respectfully disagree with that. Serious interior enforcement would pretty much solve the problem. It would take away the incentive to come (since the illegals know they could be deported any moment) and it would offer them no rest once they are here. There would still be illegals but the number would be much less and they would really have to stay in the shadows (where illegals are supposed to have to stay).
I am not against building a wall. It is good to build one just to show some will to solve the problem with the invasion from Mexico, but I don't really care much about the wall. For me, it's all about interior enforcement. Everything else is just cleaning up around the edges.
What I do worry about is those who propose a wall pretending that it will solve the problem - the people who like to talk about building a wall and THEN dealing with the illegals here. THAT is a serious problem, itself. Those proposals are nothing more than veiled attempts to still do nothing about interior enforcement and leave the country open to the same invasion. That I cannot abide. That is why every time someone talks about a wall the fact that interior enforcement is the real issue must always be brought up.
For me, it's ALWAYS about interior enforcement. As Hillel said while standing on one leg, everything else is just commentary.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 13, 2015 12:59 PM (Xo1Rt)
I would respectfully disagree with that. Serious interior enforcement would pretty much solve the problem. It would take away the incentive to come (since the illegals know they could be deported any moment) and it would offer them no rest once they are here. There would still be illegals but the number would be much less and they would really have to stay in the shadows (where illegals are supposed to have to stay).
I am not against building a wall. It is good to build one just to show some will to solve the problem with the invasion from Mexico, but I don't really care much about the wall. For me, it's all about interior enforcement. Everything else is just cleaning up around the edges.
What I do worry about is those who propose a wall pretending that it will solve the problem - the people who like to talk about building a wall and THEN dealing with the illegals here. THAT is a serious problem, itself. Those proposals are nothing more than veiled attempts to still do nothing about interior enforcement and leave the country open to the same invasion. That I cannot abide. That is why every time someone talks about a wall the fact that interior enforcement is the real issue must always be brought up.
For me, it's ALWAYS about interior enforcement. As Hillel said while standing on one leg, everything else is just commentary.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 13, 2015 01:08 PM (zc3Db)
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Scott Walker was a better candidate than Jindal -- and that worked so out well, didn't it.
It's cute though to see a post from DrewM acting as if he likes a Republican.
It's cute though to see a post from DrewM acting as if he likes a Republican.
Posted by: Alix at November 13, 2015 01:09 PM (MpfHK)
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Bobby's still on my short list.
Posted by: John P. Squibob at November 13, 2015 01:09 PM (DQZLr)
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What good is a wall in the middle of nowhere if (instead of trekking through a waterless, roadless, mountainous desert) all you have to do to get into the US is drive through a border checkpoint and go wherever you want to go?
Posted by: CozMark at November 13, 2015 01:08 PM (CbGSW)
So, how would you stop illegal immigration? You're passionate about what does not work, what would work?
Posted by: CozMark at November 13, 2015 01:08 PM (CbGSW)
So, how would you stop illegal immigration? You're passionate about what does not work, what would work?
Posted by: CJ at November 13, 2015 01:09 PM (9KqcB)
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"Then we implement the economic wall. Want to go to school? Collect
welfare? Get a job? Pretty much do anything? Show proof of legal
residence."
I agree on the getting a job but welfare should not be available to anyone who is not a citizen. People should not be let into this country if they cannot support themselves and their families.
welfare? Get a job? Pretty much do anything? Show proof of legal
residence."
I agree on the getting a job but welfare should not be available to anyone who is not a citizen. People should not be let into this country if they cannot support themselves and their families.
Posted by: redbanzai at November 13, 2015 01:10 PM (OrI3J)
Posted by: willow at November 13, 2015 01:10 PM (YvRAm)
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No Coolio, anyone who opposes obvious cost-effect basic universally standard elements of sovereignty like border barriers is either 1) stupid, or 2) not serious about suppressing illegal migration.
It's like saying you'd like market forces to be allowed back into medical care so that costs can be radically reduced (a certainty), but ..... you oppose letting insurance companies compete freely across state lines. Illogical and pointless.
Any effort to suppress illegal migration will fail if it lacks ANY of the basic elements: no amnesty or amnesty equivalent, secure border, internal enforcement (both employment and entitlement, though everyone seems to not realize how difficult the latter part is due to judicial vandalism to the country).
Implementing one or two but not all will have an effect, but greatlyreduced effect.
No Coolio, anyone who opposes obvious cost-effect basic universally standard elements of sovereignty like border barriers is either 1) stupid, or 2) not serious about suppressing illegal migration.
It's like saying you'd like market forces to be allowed back into medical care so that costs can be radically reduced (a certainty), but ..... you oppose letting insurance companies compete freely across state lines. Illogical and pointless.
Any effort to suppress illegal migration will fail if it lacks ANY of the basic elements: no amnesty or amnesty equivalent, secure border, internal enforcement (both employment and entitlement, though everyone seems to not realize how difficult the latter part is due to judicial vandalism to the country).
Implementing one or two but not all will have an effect, but greatlyreduced effect.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 13, 2015 01:10 PM (QDnY+)
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hopes*
Posted by: willow at November 13, 2015 01:10 PM (YvRAm)
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Bobby's still on my short list.
Posted by: John P. Squibob at November 13, 2015 01:09 P
How tall is the dude anyway?
Posted by: John P. Squibob at November 13, 2015 01:09 P
How tall is the dude anyway?
Posted by: MrScribbler at November 13, 2015 01:11 PM (OSULx)
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Just like in 2012, conservative bloggers are looking for anybody but the establishment candidate (Jeb). The only difference now is Trump, who they also loath because he isn't part of the establishment!
So now we're seeing the same insanity that put Santorum as the last great hope in 2012.
Give it up already. Listen to the people. Stop trying to push marginal candidates.
So now we're seeing the same insanity that put Santorum as the last great hope in 2012.
Give it up already. Listen to the people. Stop trying to push marginal candidates.
Posted by: Ed Anger at November 13, 2015 01:11 PM (RcpcZ)
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What good is a wall in the middle of nowhere if (instead of trekking through a waterless, roadless, mountainous desert) all you have to do to get into the US is drive through a border checkpoint and go wherever you want to go?
Posted by: CozMark
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But the fact that even kids are basically found wandering through the desert and "make it" here before being apprehended shows it's not that tough to go through that terrain.
It's how millions got here.
Even if there is "wasted" fence, compare that to what we spend on some stupid fighter jet and I would much rather waste my money on a wall.
Posted by: CozMark
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But the fact that even kids are basically found wandering through the desert and "make it" here before being apprehended shows it's not that tough to go through that terrain.
It's how millions got here.
Even if there is "wasted" fence, compare that to what we spend on some stupid fighter jet and I would much rather waste my money on a wall.
Posted by: Coolio at November 13, 2015 01:11 PM (VjX9z)
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I agree on the getting a job but welfare should not
be available to anyone who is not a citizen. People should not be let
into this country if they cannot support themselves and their families.
Posted by: redbanzai at November 13, 2015 01:10 PM (OrI3J)
Good point.
be available to anyone who is not a citizen. People should not be let
into this country if they cannot support themselves and their families.
Posted by: redbanzai at November 13, 2015 01:10 PM (OrI3J)
Good point.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 13, 2015 01:11 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: willow at November 13, 2015 01:12 PM (YvRAm)
Posted by: Srsly at November 13, 2015 01:12 PM (v+U1z)
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interior enforcement alone will never work
a huge number of these people work off the books
you wont catch them
a huge number of these people work off the books
you wont catch them
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2015 01:12 PM (zOTsN)
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317 I want a wall/fence for the symbolism, but yea, I agree that if the fence was built tomorrow, we still have 10-20 million illegals that are here and have already crossed the fence.
But any politician that opposes a fence wants illegal immigration.
Posted by: Coolio at November 13, 2015 12:57 PM (VjX9z)
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Yes, yes they do.
Or alternatively some don't want any restriction on immigration at all.
But any politician that opposes a fence wants illegal immigration.
Posted by: Coolio at November 13, 2015 12:57 PM (VjX9z)
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Yes, yes they do.
Or alternatively some don't want any restriction on immigration at all.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at November 13, 2015 01:13 PM (LXJ1e)
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instead of scrapping "stupid fighter jets" to pay for a wall and border enforcement why don't we do it form the savings realized from cutting entitlements to illegals
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2015 01:15 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 13, 2015 01:15 PM (mcm0N)
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That was way too cute. You guys watch it. It's Cruz doing a scene from The Princess Bride. It was pretty damn good.
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That was way too cute. You guys watch it. It's Cruz doing a scene from The Princess Bride. It was pretty damn good.
Posted by: L, Elle at November 13, 2015 01:16 PM (2x3L+)
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>>irtual walls don't work.
>>They're usefulness is in pinpointing where to send immediate resources. If the leak is so widespread and there aren't enough resources your virtual wall is useless. Unless you have weapons free drones patrolling or death zones.
That's just a saying not a fact. The real fact is we've never tried to deploy enough drones to cover the border from end to end with overlap and the resources to monitor it. We just tracked a single guy in Iraq for over 24 hours and vaporized him. That is more than enough time to deploy border security to catch anyone sneaking over the border.
Putting up a wall isn't going to stop anyone either if the resources aren't there to stop those who intend to climb over or tunnel under. Shit they are already digging mile long tunnels into California under the walls so don't tell me that is a perfect solution.
And even if we built a wall there is still the little issue of watching the coast line, miles of it. Boats work too and you aren't building walls along the coasts.
The bottom line is we as a country haven't been serious about stopping this problem and until we do screaming about walls is just a distraction. There are too many people in this country that either want illegals to keep coming or don't give a shit.
>>They're usefulness is in pinpointing where to send immediate resources. If the leak is so widespread and there aren't enough resources your virtual wall is useless. Unless you have weapons free drones patrolling or death zones.
That's just a saying not a fact. The real fact is we've never tried to deploy enough drones to cover the border from end to end with overlap and the resources to monitor it. We just tracked a single guy in Iraq for over 24 hours and vaporized him. That is more than enough time to deploy border security to catch anyone sneaking over the border.
Putting up a wall isn't going to stop anyone either if the resources aren't there to stop those who intend to climb over or tunnel under. Shit they are already digging mile long tunnels into California under the walls so don't tell me that is a perfect solution.
And even if we built a wall there is still the little issue of watching the coast line, miles of it. Boats work too and you aren't building walls along the coasts.
The bottom line is we as a country haven't been serious about stopping this problem and until we do screaming about walls is just a distraction. There are too many people in this country that either want illegals to keep coming or don't give a shit.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2015 01:16 PM (/tuJf)
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interior enforcement alone will never work
a huge number of these people work off the books
you wont catch them
Posted by: ThunderB
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no, but if the only sort of job illegals can get is say landscaping for cash, you're going to see far less illegal immigration.
And if that same landscaper can't legally send his kid to a public school or gets cut off from all social services, suddenly his home country becomes a lot more attractive.
a huge number of these people work off the books
you wont catch them
Posted by: ThunderB
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no, but if the only sort of job illegals can get is say landscaping for cash, you're going to see far less illegal immigration.
And if that same landscaper can't legally send his kid to a public school or gets cut off from all social services, suddenly his home country becomes a lot more attractive.
Posted by: Coolio at November 13, 2015 01:16 PM (VjX9z)
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Jindal is straight up a perfect candidate.
It's practically criminal that he is not better known. Better known=higher poll numbers.
It's practically criminal that he is not better known. Better known=higher poll numbers.
Posted by: SGT York at November 13, 2015 01:17 PM (iiVFW)
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Implementing one or two but not all will have an effect, but greatlyreduced effect.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 13, 2015 01:10 PM
I'm one of those who believes that enforcing existing immigration law and overturning all of Choom Boy's treasonous actions will encourage/force a lot of self-deportations. When the choices are returning to your own country or starvation, it's a pretty easy decision.
Yeah, some will have to be taken back across the border, but I'd bet the cost to taxpayers will be less than a single year's worth of welfare, lost jobs and all the other freebies awaiting illegals here now.
One thing I'd add: go back to the old requirement -- I remember it from the 1950s -- that legal aliens (like Cruzer's beloved H1-Bs register their current address annually. If they don't ship 'em out.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 13, 2015 01:10 PM
I'm one of those who believes that enforcing existing immigration law and overturning all of Choom Boy's treasonous actions will encourage/force a lot of self-deportations. When the choices are returning to your own country or starvation, it's a pretty easy decision.
Yeah, some will have to be taken back across the border, but I'd bet the cost to taxpayers will be less than a single year's worth of welfare, lost jobs and all the other freebies awaiting illegals here now.
One thing I'd add: go back to the old requirement -- I remember it from the 1950s -- that legal aliens (like Cruzer's beloved H1-Bs register their current address annually. If they don't ship 'em out.
Posted by: MrScribbler at November 13, 2015 01:17 PM (OSULx)
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374 instead of scrapping "stupid fighter jets" to pay for a wall and border enforcement why don't we do it form the savings realized from cutting entitlements to illegals
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2015 01:15 PM (zOTsN)
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We spend about $20 billion per YEAR educating illegal aliens.
Posted by: ThunderB at November 13, 2015 01:15 PM (zOTsN)
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We spend about $20 billion per YEAR educating illegal aliens.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at November 13, 2015 01:17 PM (LXJ1e)
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POP, secure border and internal enforcement are highly complementary elements, not alternatives (as you note), and a serious and smart approach uses both.
The tangible commitment to a serious policy and return to rule of law that a physically secured border would represent would be of real value on both sides of the equation. The illegal migration flow is acutely sensitive to small stimuli, as past macro-economic ups/downs have confirmed. Secure border is a major factor that would affect the very practical, rational mindset of most intending illegal migrants.
If given a choice of only one, I'd take internal enforcement, but it's a false (or dumb) choice.
But again, folks, shutting down the entitlement magnet is not so easy. See Prop 187 in CA. Judicial vandalism and usurpation are a yuuuuge reason the country has the problems it does. One key area is illegal migration.
POP, secure border and internal enforcement are highly complementary elements, not alternatives (as you note), and a serious and smart approach uses both.
The tangible commitment to a serious policy and return to rule of law that a physically secured border would represent would be of real value on both sides of the equation. The illegal migration flow is acutely sensitive to small stimuli, as past macro-economic ups/downs have confirmed. Secure border is a major factor that would affect the very practical, rational mindset of most intending illegal migrants.
If given a choice of only one, I'd take internal enforcement, but it's a false (or dumb) choice.
But again, folks, shutting down the entitlement magnet is not so easy. See Prop 187 in CA. Judicial vandalism and usurpation are a yuuuuge reason the country has the problems it does. One key area is illegal migration.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 13, 2015 01:17 PM (QDnY+)
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my not so well thought out answer to illegal and legal immigration (being honest)
as for the hb1 visas the jobs should not be offered if they weren't to a well qualified american worker first.
illegalally immigrating is still breaking the law, get in line behind those that were legally follwing the rules for access.
south of the border illegals? i wish we could shore them up to Fight so they could fight their elites for the keys to the country instead of being led in poverty for political and financial purpose by 'their betters'
although if Mexican citizens still want socialism as a general , i'm not certain That would help their country to become fincancially beneficial to them.
as for the hb1 visas the jobs should not be offered if they weren't to a well qualified american worker first.
illegalally immigrating is still breaking the law, get in line behind those that were legally follwing the rules for access.
south of the border illegals? i wish we could shore them up to Fight so they could fight their elites for the keys to the country instead of being led in poverty for political and financial purpose by 'their betters'
although if Mexican citizens still want socialism as a general , i'm not certain That would help their country to become fincancially beneficial to them.
Posted by: willow at November 13, 2015 01:18 PM (YvRAm)
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The Great White Snark, thanks for posting that. I've already forwarded it to 2 of my friends who are fans of the movie.
Posted by: L, Elle at November 13, 2015 01:18 PM (2x3L+)
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BTW, getting back to the opening topic. Jindal was probably my top pick in 2014.
Unfortunately, he had years to prepare and basically got in too late. Such an unforced error on his part makes me doubt his judgement.
Also after the Congress of 2014-2015, I am totally opposed to career politicians, of which Jindal is one (that includes Cruz too).
Unfortunately, he had years to prepare and basically got in too late. Such an unforced error on his part makes me doubt his judgement.
Also after the Congress of 2014-2015, I am totally opposed to career politicians, of which Jindal is one (that includes Cruz too).
Posted by: Make America Great Again at November 13, 2015 01:21 PM (LXJ1e)
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Shit they are already digging mile long tunnels into California under the walls so don't tell me that is a perfect solution.
I'm sorry, who here said that a wall alone is a perfect solution that will completely solve the problem.
I'm sorry, who here said that a wall alone is a perfect solution that will completely solve the problem.
Posted by: V the K at November 13, 2015 01:21 PM (O7MnT)
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But again, folks, shutting down the entitlement magnet is not so easy. See Prop 187 in CA. Judicial vandalism and usurpation are a yuuuuge reason the country has the problems it does. One key area is illegal migration.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 13, 2015 01:17 PM (QDnY+)
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I view building a wall as hammering a stake in the ground on a claim. This is my area and I will do as I want and I will fight for it.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 13, 2015 01:17 PM (QDnY+)
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I view building a wall as hammering a stake in the ground on a claim. This is my area and I will do as I want and I will fight for it.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at November 13, 2015 01:23 PM (LXJ1e)
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So far the contest is Carson and Trump. The others are just tag alongs.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 13, 2015 12:54 PM (Xo1Rt)
Have you ever ran distance? There are always those guys who bolt ahead of the pack early on, some because they feel cramped up in the pack, others because they just can't stand looking at the back of the runner in front of them, but it's a long way to the nomination.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 13, 2015 12:54 PM (Xo1Rt)
Have you ever ran distance? There are always those guys who bolt ahead of the pack early on, some because they feel cramped up in the pack, others because they just can't stand looking at the back of the runner in front of them, but it's a long way to the nomination.
Posted by: Any Trump Supporter Anywhere at November 13, 2015 01:23 PM (cCEFD)
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Off Trump Supporter Sock. Geez.
Posted by: troyriser at November 13, 2015 01:24 PM (cCEFD)
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>>I'm sorry, who here said that a wall alone is a perfect solution that will completely solve the problem.
Nobody. And nobody is saying drones or other surveillance technologies are perfect because there's no such thing as a perfect solution. But Trump has built much of his campaign and his appeal on that simple concept, build a wall. That's it.
As long as we have people who are willing to pay illegals, as long as we have a government that won't enforce the laws, as long as those of us who believe illegal immigration is a serious threat to the stability of this country are a minority it is all moot.
There is no wall between us and Canada. I used to go campaigning in NH along the border when I was a kid and could walk back and forth easily. But we aren't being invaded by a horde of ice backs because there is no huge benefit for them to do so.
Remove that and illegal immigration will shrink to a trickle and for that our current technologies are probably enough.
Nobody. And nobody is saying drones or other surveillance technologies are perfect because there's no such thing as a perfect solution. But Trump has built much of his campaign and his appeal on that simple concept, build a wall. That's it.
As long as we have people who are willing to pay illegals, as long as we have a government that won't enforce the laws, as long as those of us who believe illegal immigration is a serious threat to the stability of this country are a minority it is all moot.
There is no wall between us and Canada. I used to go campaigning in NH along the border when I was a kid and could walk back and forth easily. But we aren't being invaded by a horde of ice backs because there is no huge benefit for them to do so.
Remove that and illegal immigration will shrink to a trickle and for that our current technologies are probably enough.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 13, 2015 01:27 PM (/tuJf)
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JackStraw your closing observation is correct but your previous statements are misleading. A lot of the false premises that seem by this point required by law in these discussions, or something. The key false premise is that barriers are supposed to provide 100% effectiveness, or they are somehow not worth doing.
A full border barrier/system would be easily established and patrolled, and highly effective, in completely changing the nature of illegal migration via border-crossing. Tunneling and surface penetration are easy/cheap to limit and defeat, and in any case are NOT methods of high-volume relatively casual border penetration. That's the point, it completely changes the logistics, costs, and thus "market" for this critical method of entry.
And maritime/ocean border violations? Trivial as a factor, just as terrestrial ones are where any reasonable barrier is installed. Add up the total annual illegal entries via the Pacific and it wouldn't be an afternoon's total in the worst border areas.
The only screaming I see are the ignorant fainting sessions over "deportation!!!!", incl. deportations of minor children who are US citizens (nothing new or particularly difficult, happens every week and has for decades).
JackStraw your closing observation is correct but your previous statements are misleading. A lot of the false premises that seem by this point required by law in these discussions, or something. The key false premise is that barriers are supposed to provide 100% effectiveness, or they are somehow not worth doing.
A full border barrier/system would be easily established and patrolled, and highly effective, in completely changing the nature of illegal migration via border-crossing. Tunneling and surface penetration are easy/cheap to limit and defeat, and in any case are NOT methods of high-volume relatively casual border penetration. That's the point, it completely changes the logistics, costs, and thus "market" for this critical method of entry.
And maritime/ocean border violations? Trivial as a factor, just as terrestrial ones are where any reasonable barrier is installed. Add up the total annual illegal entries via the Pacific and it wouldn't be an afternoon's total in the worst border areas.
The only screaming I see are the ignorant fainting sessions over "deportation!!!!", incl. deportations of minor children who are US citizens (nothing new or particularly difficult, happens every week and has for decades).
Posted by: rhomboid at November 13, 2015 01:30 PM (QDnY+)
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My solution would be a draconian prosecution of businesses that hire illegals and to yank all fed funding from any sanctuary city.
We have laws on the books now that aren't tough enough on the demand side so those need to be updated. They could consult with the Mexican government on how they deal with illegal immigrants.
Also, some states have things like in-state tuition assistance, for every dollar they give an illegal, withdraw $X in fed funding until the law is changed.
And in general stop being so hospitable. Like the Mexicans are to the illegals in their country.
We have laws on the books now that aren't tough enough on the demand side so those need to be updated. They could consult with the Mexican government on how they deal with illegal immigrants.
Also, some states have things like in-state tuition assistance, for every dollar they give an illegal, withdraw $X in fed funding until the law is changed.
And in general stop being so hospitable. Like the Mexicans are to the illegals in their country.
Posted by: CozMark at November 13, 2015 01:30 PM (CbGSW)
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JackStraw I take an even darker interpretation than you do about the illegal migration thing. Despite the stupidity, the infantile moral narcissism ("compassion!"), the rent-seeking (cheap/unregulated labor) that make up the "support" for lawlessness on immigration, the public overwhelmingly opposes amnesty and favors restoring rule of law in this area.
And yet ..... the representative republic in which these people theoretically live is absolutely hell-bent on implementing all the worst ideas and allowing all the worst problems to continue. The pop culture, the judiciary, the elected branches (both parties) - absolutely on a jihad to continue/worsen this situation.
I see this and I don't know what to call it, but I find little reason to hope.
JackStraw I take an even darker interpretation than you do about the illegal migration thing. Despite the stupidity, the infantile moral narcissism ("compassion!"), the rent-seeking (cheap/unregulated labor) that make up the "support" for lawlessness on immigration, the public overwhelmingly opposes amnesty and favors restoring rule of law in this area.
And yet ..... the representative republic in which these people theoretically live is absolutely hell-bent on implementing all the worst ideas and allowing all the worst problems to continue. The pop culture, the judiciary, the elected branches (both parties) - absolutely on a jihad to continue/worsen this situation.
I see this and I don't know what to call it, but I find little reason to hope.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 13, 2015 01:36 PM (QDnY+)
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Color me dubious that the welfare spigot can just be turned off and kept turned off.
Posted by: V the K at November 13, 2015 01:36 PM (O7MnT)
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Posted by: rhomboid at November 13, 2015 01:17 PM (QDnY+)
As usual, I am in agreement with you. Your posts are always a pleasure to read.
However, the one point about the wall that I think you are missing is that many are depending on it as an either/or solution. That is why they propose building a wall and THEN talking about what to do with the existing illegals, which means that they are against any sort of interior enforcement. Many want the wall just so that they can legalize all those here - not Trump and not most of the commenters here but most of the others who talk about a wall, like McShame used to. For them, the wall is a tactic to not do anything about interior enforcement and in that environment illegal flows will just switch to visa overstays and likely remain at the same astronomical levels especially as they then rally to get more temporary visas issued to lower and lower levels of "necesary" workers, visits and the like).
I want a wall on the southern border but I want interior enforcement FIRST. That way there is no wiggle room for the traitors to work with.
I view building a wall as hammering a stake in the ground on a claim. This is my area and I will do as I want and I will fight for it.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at November 13, 2015 01:23 PM (LXJ1e)
Just planting a flag used to serve exactly that purpose. ... back when America understood that the flag represented much more than just a piece of colored cloth. But, in today's world, it's illegal to burn currency but legal to burn the flag ...
As usual, I am in agreement with you. Your posts are always a pleasure to read.
However, the one point about the wall that I think you are missing is that many are depending on it as an either/or solution. That is why they propose building a wall and THEN talking about what to do with the existing illegals, which means that they are against any sort of interior enforcement. Many want the wall just so that they can legalize all those here - not Trump and not most of the commenters here but most of the others who talk about a wall, like McShame used to. For them, the wall is a tactic to not do anything about interior enforcement and in that environment illegal flows will just switch to visa overstays and likely remain at the same astronomical levels especially as they then rally to get more temporary visas issued to lower and lower levels of "necesary" workers, visits and the like).
I want a wall on the southern border but I want interior enforcement FIRST. That way there is no wiggle room for the traitors to work with.
I view building a wall as hammering a stake in the ground on a claim. This is my area and I will do as I want and I will fight for it.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at November 13, 2015 01:23 PM (LXJ1e)
Just planting a flag used to serve exactly that purpose. ... back when America understood that the flag represented much more than just a piece of colored cloth. But, in today's world, it's illegal to burn currency but legal to burn the flag ...
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 13, 2015 01:40 PM (zc3Db)
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Willowed? Well anyway, the point is not that a border barrier isa magic solution, it's just a key part of the whole. The answer is "all of the above", not just internal enforcement, restoration of rule of law WRT sanctuary cities, etc.
So the whole laundry list is the "answer". Not that complicated, very logical and pretty obvious.
And to repeat yet again, since V the K just mentioned it, people, shutting off the entitlement magnet will NOT be easy. Because the internal lawlessness and stupidity under which the country labors, thanks mostly to judicial vandalism and usurpation. Prop 187.
Judicial tyranny can be fairly easily dealt with, but that requires ACTION from the elected branches. Which is not in the cards. If the ludicrous judicial legislation on O-care and marriage redefinition did not elicit, finally, a response from the Congress to restore some semblance of constitutional logic to the system, then I don't see anything doing it.
Willowed? Well anyway, the point is not that a border barrier isa magic solution, it's just a key part of the whole. The answer is "all of the above", not just internal enforcement, restoration of rule of law WRT sanctuary cities, etc.
So the whole laundry list is the "answer". Not that complicated, very logical and pretty obvious.
And to repeat yet again, since V the K just mentioned it, people, shutting off the entitlement magnet will NOT be easy. Because the internal lawlessness and stupidity under which the country labors, thanks mostly to judicial vandalism and usurpation. Prop 187.
Judicial tyranny can be fairly easily dealt with, but that requires ACTION from the elected branches. Which is not in the cards. If the ludicrous judicial legislation on O-care and marriage redefinition did not elicit, finally, a response from the Congress to restore some semblance of constitutional logic to the system, then I don't see anything doing it.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 13, 2015 01:42 PM (QDnY+)
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394
Color me dubious that the welfare spigot can just be turned off and kept turned off.
Posted by: V the K at November 13, 2015 01:36 PM (O7MnT)
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32 State governors are Republican. The Republicans have a level of an unprecedented amount of power at the state and local level. Start there and work our way up (or down as the case may be).
If the US House wants to keep what they've gained, attacking this problem and showing the inevitable positive results would go a long way toward improving the GOPe's opinion of it's supposed Base.
Color me dubious that the welfare spigot can just be turned off and kept turned off.
Posted by: V the K at November 13, 2015 01:36 PM (O7MnT)
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32 State governors are Republican. The Republicans have a level of an unprecedented amount of power at the state and local level. Start there and work our way up (or down as the case may be).
If the US House wants to keep what they've gained, attacking this problem and showing the inevitable positive results would go a long way toward improving the GOPe's opinion of it's supposed Base.
Posted by: CozMark at November 13, 2015 01:46 PM (CbGSW)
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The results would be seen by the people and the GOP wouldn't be swayed by the "compassionate conservative feelz/Look at me I'm one of the good ones" bullshit.
Posted by: CozMark at November 13, 2015 01:50 PM (CbGSW)
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I may be wrong in my assessment of the man himself and in my assessment of how the blogosphere perceives him, but I think there is a definite disconnect between what *some* national conservatives and what *many if not most* Louisiana conservatives think about Jindal.
While national conservatives see to be extremely impressed with Jindal as a governor who keeps his state's budget house in order, many Louisiana conservatives -- I'm talking hard-core conservatives I've known for all of my life -- think his tenure has been ruinous to the concept of fiscal responsibility because of the methods he has used to balance the budget.
And, equally important, Bobby Jindal's political persona within the state, to the vast majority of voters, is that of a man who would sell his family and friends into slavery to realize his national political ambitions. He appears not to have a decent core as a human being; he appears to be in politics only for himself.
Jindal *has* no political base within Louisiana. How does a politician with such baggage stand a chance in his quest for the presidency, the vice-presidency, or even a cabinet office? Should a man with such baggage be considered for any of these offices. I don't think so.
While national conservatives see to be extremely impressed with Jindal as a governor who keeps his state's budget house in order, many Louisiana conservatives -- I'm talking hard-core conservatives I've known for all of my life -- think his tenure has been ruinous to the concept of fiscal responsibility because of the methods he has used to balance the budget.
And, equally important, Bobby Jindal's political persona within the state, to the vast majority of voters, is that of a man who would sell his family and friends into slavery to realize his national political ambitions. He appears not to have a decent core as a human being; he appears to be in politics only for himself.
Jindal *has* no political base within Louisiana. How does a politician with such baggage stand a chance in his quest for the presidency, the vice-presidency, or even a cabinet office? Should a man with such baggage be considered for any of these offices. I don't think so.
Posted by: Robert Steckel at November 13, 2015 01:52 PM (MNUxs)
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Honestly, Jindal is the guy always being applauded by the religious kooks of the party, to use an admittedly imprecise term, and so I have dismissed him and put him in the same category as Huckabee and Santorum.
He has already given his swan song - twice (those endless tirades about Trump, who he has agreed to support, should Trump win). He's missing the charisma factor, and is apparently a sore loser.
That being said, he apparently DOES have a number of REAL accomplishments in LA worth noting.
He has already given his swan song - twice (those endless tirades about Trump, who he has agreed to support, should Trump win). He's missing the charisma factor, and is apparently a sore loser.
That being said, he apparently DOES have a number of REAL accomplishments in LA worth noting.
Posted by: Optimizer at November 13, 2015 02:11 PM (/q6+P)
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I like Bobby.
Posted by: scottst at November 13, 2015 02:20 PM (idA6q)
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You make him sound perfect for me, too bad I'm still not over two FASCIST actions he took as Gov: You know, banning the use of cash at garage sales and flea markets so he can better track your every move, and, oh yeah - having schools report to child protective services (so they can take your kids away and give them to the state) when their lunch accounts run out and you haven't paid for a couple of days because no one told you.
Chancellor of Germany or maybe Emperor of Japan, I can go with that, but no way in hell I would vote for someone that won't let me spend a quarter on a used coffee mug down the road.
Chancellor of Germany or maybe Emperor of Japan, I can go with that, but no way in hell I would vote for someone that won't let me spend a quarter on a used coffee mug down the road.
Posted by: doug at November 13, 2015 04:33 PM (QeAsT)
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* banning the use of cash at garage sales and flea markets*
This is seriously the law in Louisiana? What about, you know, really POOR PEOPLE who don't have bank cards and may be shopping at garage sales as a way to make ends meet?
This is seriously the law in Louisiana? What about, you know, really POOR PEOPLE who don't have bank cards and may be shopping at garage sales as a way to make ends meet?
Posted by: Scout at November 13, 2015 04:58 PM (fCWi3)
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Jindal won't ever win the nomination, because he has zero charisma.
Cruz doesn't really, either, but more so than Jindal. I think he could get conservatives on board his train. Whether he could/would appeal to cross-overs is another story. I think his best bet is serving as vice president, and then running after that.
Cruz doesn't really, either, but more so than Jindal. I think he could get conservatives on board his train. Whether he could/would appeal to cross-overs is another story. I think his best bet is serving as vice president, and then running after that.
Posted by: Scout at November 13, 2015 05:00 PM (fCWi3)
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Scout, it WAS a law for about 3 months but the outrage was so bad that they had to change it. They claim that it was a mistake and they were just targeting metal thieves but there was outrage before they passed it and they didn't do anything about it.
In an emergency, the changed it to something that allows you to trade in cash once every 30 days or something. I think they ended up changing that as well to only allowing you to pay by check for scrap metal purchases.
Something that should have been done first if their claims were true - alas, they weren't - all for tracking money for tax purposes I'm afraid.
In an emergency, the changed it to something that allows you to trade in cash once every 30 days or something. I think they ended up changing that as well to only allowing you to pay by check for scrap metal purchases.
Something that should have been done first if their claims were true - alas, they weren't - all for tracking money for tax purposes I'm afraid.
Posted by: doug at November 13, 2015 05:07 PM (QeAsT)
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Thanks, doug.
None of this change my position re: Jindal. I'm actually rather horrified to discover that I could, possible, support Trump?
I mean . . . please, no. And yet? Don't give me Bush or Rubio, because I'll just vomit. But . . . Trump v. Hillary? Jesus. But . . . ok.
None of this change my position re: Jindal. I'm actually rather horrified to discover that I could, possible, support Trump?
I mean . . . please, no. And yet? Don't give me Bush or Rubio, because I'll just vomit. But . . . Trump v. Hillary? Jesus. But . . . ok.
Posted by: Scout at November 13, 2015 09:20 PM (fCWi3)
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Fuck.
Posted by: Scout at November 13, 2015 09:21 PM (fCWi3)
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I *may* take up smoking.
Posted by: Scout at November 13, 2015 09:21 PM (fCWi3)
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Sorry Bobby. You've chosen a poor moment in history to be a diversity type candidate. We're SO DONE with all the diversity idiocy. Maybe another decade will be yours.
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Democratic Forays into Erotica
New Shows On Gore's DNC/MTV Network
Nicknames for Potatoes, By People Who Really Hate Potatoes
Star Wars Euphemisms for Self-Abuse
Signs You're at an Iraqi "Wedding Party"
Signs Your Clown Has Gone Bad
Signs That You, Geroge Michael, Should Probably Just Give It Up
Signs of Hip-Hop Influence on John Kerry
NYT Headlines Spinning Bush's Jobs Boom
Things People Are More Likely to Say Than "Did You Hear What Al Franken Said Yesterday?"
Signs that Paul Krugman Has Lost His Frickin' Mind
All-Time Best NBA Players, According to Senator Robert Byrd
Other Bad Things About the Jews, According to the Koran
Signs That David Letterman Just Doesn't Care Anymore
Examples of Bob Kerrey's Insufferable Racial Jackassery
Signs Andy Rooney Is Going Senile
Other Judgments Dick Clarke Made About Condi Rice Based on Her Appearance
Collective Names for Groups of People
John Kerry's Other Vietnam Super-Pets
Cool Things About the XM8 Assault Rifle
Media-Approved Facts About the Democrat Spy
Changes to Make Christianity More "Inclusive"
Secret John Kerry Senatorial Accomplishments
John Edwards Campaign Excuses
John Kerry Pick-Up Lines
Changes Liberal Senator George Michell Will Make at Disney
Torments in Dog-Hell
Greatest Hitjobs
The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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