FBI Expanding Hillary Email Probe To Include Investigation into "Materially False" Statements

A Clinton? Making materially false statements to avoid conviction on other matters?

Surely you must be mistaken.

But I'm not happy. I'll tell you why in a moment.

The FBI has expanded its probe of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's emails beyond a provision involving "gross negligence" with national defense information, Fox News reports.

Agents are now also looking at whether statements that have been made violate a federal statute on providing "materially false" information, according to Fox.

"The agents involved are under a lot of pressure and are busting a--," an unidentified intelligence source told the network, which noted that the statute can be broadly applied.

Here's what I feel in my gut:

This is just clearing the decks of all possible charges, so they can say "nothing here can be charged against her."

I remember during the OJ Simpson trial. During deliberation, the jurors asked to have the transcript of a particularly damning bit of evidence against OJ -- I believe it was the hired car driver who reported OJ's lateness to come to the door, state of agitation when he got there, and strange driving instructions afterwards.

I remember people saying "That means they're going to convict him."

I felt in my bones that what they were doing was looking at this as the last, damning piece of evidence they had failed to yet dismiss entirely, and they were re-reading the transcript just to see how they could dismiss this testimony, too.

Which is, alas, exactly what they were doing.

I think the FBI is corrupt at highest levels -- not at the agent level, but at the level of the political brass, and they are sifting through each charge to find a way to say Hillary did nothing wrong. Oh, they'll do what they always do with the Clintons; they'll come up with a "compromise" that gives the Clintons what they want. They'll say what she did was "reckless" and "against all security protocols," which they'll offer up to prove this wasn't a whitewash.

But in the final analysis, in the last paragraph, they'll say: "Despite some serious misgivings about Secretary Clinton's handling of the information and her candor in describing her actions, the panel can find no actual breaches of the law in anything she did."

Then the Clintons will do what they always do, and say, "If we're not convicted and in jail, that means we're innocent. We have been cleared of any possible wrongdoing. These questions have all be asked and answered. This was always a right-wing witch hunt and now we have the proof. This is old news. It's time to MoveOn.org."

I just don't feel like we live in a Republic anymore. We live in a gangster country, and the top of each agency knows they have to curry favor with the reigning gang.

Posted by: Ace at 04:22 PM




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1 Ugh, you're probably right.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 12, 2015 04:24 PM (NOIQH)

2 Sadly Ace I have to agree with You....

Posted by: donna at November 12, 2015 04:27 PM (/dSsq)

3 Yup, the bitch will get a pass.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2015 04:27 PM (gf8BH)

4 With Liberty and Justice For All (who can afford it).

Posted by: Dax at November 12, 2015 04:27 PM (4aIPc)

5 Exactly what I was thinking. This Grasshopper has learned well from the Master!

Posted by: Optimizer at November 12, 2015 04:27 PM (/q6+P)

6 I jumped to the bottom, and ended up here!

Posted by: Colin at November 12, 2015 04:27 PM (0bEpn)

7 That's why the GOP strategy of focusing on the illegality of her actions is misplaced. Instead, they should be focusing on the lack of judgement and what that says about her fitness to be President. This angle isn't dependent on a corrupt DOJ or FBI to prosecute, and it goes to the issue that matters most: do voters feel comfortable with some one as stupid and reckless and Clinton in the White House.

Posted by: Steve at November 12, 2015 04:27 PM (+rFYQ)

8 I think you are wrong. FBI head has eight more years of his term, and he seems like a straight up guy.



I think Lynch also might be. She is a hell of a lot more honest that Holder, who was a race baiting hack.


What I worry about is the clock running out and a Obama pardon this summer.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 12, 2015 04:27 PM (jJRIy)

9 I no longer fear death. I'll be glad when it is all over.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at November 12, 2015 04:28 PM (iQIUe)

10 Hillary will be cleared of all charges as soon as it is clear she is the Democrat Nominee for President...


This is just battle space prep...

Posted by: BB Wolf at November 12, 2015 04:28 PM (qh617)

11 If it doesn't fit...

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 12, 2015 04:28 PM (FkBIv)

12 Yeah, you are really getting a feel for how they operate Ace. I think you nailed it.

Posted by: maddogg at November 12, 2015 04:28 PM (xWW96)

13 Forget it Ace, it's Clintontown.

Posted by: Lawrence Walsh at November 12, 2015 04:29 PM (REdlt)

14 White(wash) privilege.

Posted by: AE at November 12, 2015 04:29 PM (+ft6G)

15 Clinton Inc is too big to fail.

Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at November 12, 2015 04:29 PM (3ZttN)

16 I saw Expanding Hillary Probe open for String Cheese Incident at Red Rocks in 1998!

Posted by: Garrett at November 12, 2015 04:29 PM (FPCJ0)

17 Posted by: Steve at November 12, 2015 04:27 PM (+rFYQ)

Yup... if you can't even run an email system correctly...

why in the hell should we trust you with the codes for Nuclear Weapons?

Posted by: BB Wolf at November 12, 2015 04:30 PM (qh617)

18 I don't think the FBI gets to decide this -- it's decided over at the DoJ.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 12, 2015 04:30 PM (EzgxV)

19 do voters feel comfortable with some one as stupid and reckless and Clinton in the White House.

Posted by: Steve at November 12, 2015 04:27 PM (+rFYQ)

Most do.

Posted by: Colin at November 12, 2015 04:30 PM (0bEpn)

20 I'm a materially girl!

Posted by: hilllary at November 12, 2015 04:30 PM (xodPA)

21 The only REAL question is whether President Trump will resurrect the investigation, and throw that disgraceful bitch in the slammer. Now THAT would show that he's serious about rule of law.

But I'm thinking, no he probably won't. For one thing, he'll have a completely corrupt government, out to screw him raw, to worry about.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 12, 2015 04:30 PM (/q6+P)

22 That's what I want in a President,lack of judgement, and knowledge of the proper handling of classified information... Add to that lack of "candor" and You have the perfect Candidate... Happy days!

Posted by: donna at November 12, 2015 04:30 PM (/dSsq)

23 "Expanding Hillary"
Ewwww.

Posted by: m at November 12, 2015 04:30 PM (tElZn)

24 I've got a hundred bucks for our distinguished Ewok leader's paypal if the DOJ/FBI(whatever controlling legal authority) even charges her with something considered a felony, 500 if any felony charge returns a guilty verdict. Ain't gonna happen, no way, no how, as Ayers supposedly said, "guilty as sin, free as a bird", the bitch is gonna skate, Thankles is too big to jail.

Posted by: Bob in Houston. at November 12, 2015 04:31 PM (XRxxn)

25 The FBI will still be around, even when 0bama is gone. So I'm gonna hold out some hope they do what is right, which is make an example out of her which is not soon forgotten.

Posted by: se pa moron at November 12, 2015 04:31 PM (7v/r5)

26

Yup. Somewhere I read today that this clears the path to being able to blame something or somebody else...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 12, 2015 04:31 PM (qCMvj)

27 We live in a gangster country, and the top of each agency knows they have to curry favor with the reigning gang.


You were spot on with Ultra Rome.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at November 12, 2015 04:31 PM (evdj2)

28 I'm pretty sure the agent level is corrupt as well.

I have several friends who've had FBI run ins due to their pro-life work.

One is the son in law of Jill Stanek, the nurse who testified in favor of BAIPA several times and who really, really pissed off Obama on a personal level.

Anyway, her son in law is from New Zealand. Her daughter used to work for President Bush both as a speech writer and later for his library. Obviously the family was zero threat to the security of the nation.

Even so, the FBI visited their house and told the husband that if he ever showed up at an abortion clinic in the Dallas area again, he would be deported and never again allowed entry into the country.

Posted by: Criminals at November 12, 2015 04:32 PM (GZ6Pf)

29 Clinton Inc is too big to fail.
Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at November 12, 2015 04:29 PM (3ZttN)

Tell me about it

Posted by: Hillary's Chair at November 12, 2015 04:32 PM (gf8BH)

30 Possibly having more knowledge than the normal person a friend says Ace is more right than wrong on his assessment.

Gangsta Nation!

Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at November 12, 2015 04:32 PM (3ZttN)

31 We're in this odd limbo where we know Hillary could get indicted, but the common wisdom is that she won't with the smart money believing that the Clintons and Obama have already cut a deal, hence Uncle Joe's quitting the race before he officially started.

Personally, I believe that confidential information charges against Hillary don't have enough sizzle.  Also, the public is tired of hearing about Benghazi, which is really about Hillary going along with Obama's spinning the video in the run-up to the 2012 election.

We may never see where the real action is:  Clinton Cash pay-for-play.  Peter Schweizer, author of Clinton  Cash, has laid out a prima facie case that Hillary traded favors as Secretary of State to shakedown fees for Bills speeches and donations to Chelsea Clinton Legacy Foundation.  Schweizer recently made the point that we still don't know the names of 1,076 donors which were funneled through a Canadian affiliate of the Clinton Foundation.  There's your smoking gun.

Evidence of pay-for-play could be on Hillary's server. But will the FBI go there?

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 12, 2015 04:32 PM (r1fLd)

32 After She's "cleared" She can run on Her favorite "Vast right wing conspiracy."

Posted by: donna at November 12, 2015 04:32 PM (/dSsq)

33 Lawlessness is our lot.
Laws have no meaning at all, anymore, they are tools for political oppression only.

Posted by: navybrat at November 12, 2015 04:32 PM (ETxiG)

34 If I was the FBI director, I'd stay out of any Helicopters for the next couple months.

Posted by: Garrett at November 12, 2015 04:32 PM (FPCJ0)

35 I just don't feel like we live in a Republic anymore. We live in a gangster country, and the top of each agency knows they have to curry favor with the reigning gang.

I'll drink to that.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 12, 2015 04:33 PM (qCMvj)

36 SO

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2015 04:33 PM (gf8BH)

37
ace you are absolutely right about the "no longer a republic part" but the problem is that it is not uniformly so, and the disastrous consequences of this do not equally affect all. So you get this diffused sense of disaster, as opposed to a clear and unifying one.

You also have a lazy, ignorant, selfish, and irresponsible general trend in the populace, esp. to include "educated" and even "conservative" types. See the earlier illegal migration thread. Many, many "conservative" types are as clueless and soaked in the idiot marinade on many key issues as your most clueless comfortable coastal/urban NPR-listening moonbat.

The very plausible suggestion of corruption at the highest levels is also key. That's the kind of special poison that most distinguishes (well, distinguished) the US from the majority of awful and inferior governments the world over.

You go to a Mexico, or a post-Soviet Georgia, or a Nigeria, and you look at things, and you don't know where to begin. Because every lever you try to create and push on to improve things is termite-eaten by the lack of integrity at key locations.

Very hard to pinpoint the main causes. But in a practical spirit, one could focus on judicial tyranny/lawlessness and congressional surrender of constitutional balance as a start.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 12, 2015 04:33 PM (QDnY+)

38 Ultra Rome is our future, not the wasteland of Mad Max. The rich and thus powerful will get what they want. Politics as an extension of civil war with private armies.


Empire of Jeff was a man ahead of his time.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at November 12, 2015 04:33 PM (evdj2)

39 Lawdi, lawd, I sure do hope Ace is wrong. If he's right about this our country truly is doomed. There is just too much banana republic-ing going on these days. If Comey is determined to find a way not to charge her, if that really is his goal, then we are sunk.

Posted by: MTF at November 12, 2015 04:33 PM (NVmJr)

40 A new Lace Wig makes even the most craven malefactor scandal free and beyond reproach. Go online to see our bouffant styles.

Posted by: Lace Wigs Online at November 12, 2015 04:33 PM (dQJCS)

41 I still don't get where the parents of these spoiled brat kids are

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2015 04:33 PM (gf8BH)

42 Smart strategy Ace, lowering your expectations helps to prevent disappointment.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon (book link in nick) at November 12, 2015 04:34 PM (NeFrd)

43 /sock

Posted by: Lauren at November 12, 2015 04:34 PM (GZ6Pf)

44 I agree, but I don't think they're even going to bother coming up with excuses. They'll just say, "Hillary! is innocent. Fuck you Rethuglicans!"

Because let's be honest, Loretta Lynch will never prosecute a democrat. Let alone a high profile one.

Posted by: Iblis at November 12, 2015 04:35 PM (9221z)

45 Even if the FBI wanted to pursue the truth and had information and evidence to bring charges on Hillary, it ain't going anywhere. Not with Lynch in office.

If Comey wants to stick a fork in the eye of Hillary and Clinton, then he'd refer charges to DOJ. Let Obama come out and rescue Clinton. That way, Clinton can't fall back on the "we're innocent" trope.

Posted by: MacGruber at November 12, 2015 04:35 PM (FEAjO)

46 Maybe this is a good time to declare some completely half-baked foregone conclusions:

1) President Trump, it's as good as done. My proof? Obama said it wouldn't happen. QED.

2) Hillary doesn't live to see the election, due to a terminal health issue. My proof? I saw it on a tabloid in line at the supermarket. OK, maybe that's not a good a proof as Obama saying the opposite, but they were the first to report on John Edwards love child and Bruce Jenner making his "change", there were outward signs of her health issues, and the guys in Men in Black call them the finest investigative journalism on the planet. So the question is: "Who steps in!?!"


Posted by: Optimizer at November 12, 2015 04:35 PM (/q6+P)

47 Ace Johnson is right!

Posted by: Howard Johnson at November 12, 2015 04:35 PM (FPCJ0)

48

It's the ole No One is Watching the Watchers story.

Very very sad.

Our laws are worthless.
Our checks and balances are now $checks & coercion.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 12, 2015 04:35 PM (qCMvj)

49 >>> Clinton Inc is too big to fail.

Too many others would go down with them if they did. Including a great many of her supposed enemies.

Posted by: Bigby's Hand Inside the Puppet Head at November 12, 2015 04:35 PM (3ZtZW)

50 42 Smart strategy Ace, lowering your expectations helps to prevent disappointment.

I still secretly hope to see that flaming skull with "Hillary indicted"... A Girl can't dream can't She...

Posted by: donna at November 12, 2015 04:35 PM (/dSsq)

51
A Clinton? Making materially false statements to avoid conviction on other matters?

Surely you must be mistaken.








Teh Ewok is just trolling us for Airplane! jokes now.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 12, 2015 04:36 PM (FeQTe)

52 41
I still don't get where the parents of these spoiled brat kids are





Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 12, 2015 04:33 PM (gf8BH)

Working down at Bernie's HQ.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 12, 2015 04:36 PM (jJRIy)

53 Second to last "Greatest Hitjobs" link. Time is a flat circle.

http://ace-o-spades.blogspot.com/2004_02_01_ace-o-spades_archive.html#107602786480402207

Posted by: Ghost of kari at November 12, 2015 04:37 PM (xuouz)

54 It seems as though every day they're "expanding" the investigation. WTF?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 12, 2015 04:37 PM (oKE6c)

55 I'm not sure what this buys the FBI if the ultimate goal is to let her off. Nobody really believes she isn't guilty save for a few Japanese soldiers on remote islands. Increasing the level of kabuki isn't going to convince anyone.

Not saying she won't get off because Clinton's live under a different set of rules but I don't see how this helps either Hillary or the FBI.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 12, 2015 04:37 PM (/tuJf)

56 There was no way Hillary was ever going to get in any legal trouble for the following reasons

a) she is far from the only one breaking laws regarding retaining federal records
b) she is far from the only one in DC with all kinds of corrupt side deals going on
and
c) she is the presumptive next president (in the eyes of everyone in DC, at least), and she is "too big to fail" as it were, and no one is going to throw the presumptive first female president in jail.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 12, 2015 04:37 PM (AkOaV)

57 I still trust the FBI, gullible as I obviously am, to do the right thing and indict her fat ass. This is simply too egregious to brush under the rug.

Having said that I'm not sure an FBI referral to the Justice Department will ever be acted upon. There I could see the whitewash used liberally, so while I do not think she will be prosecuted I do think they'll refer her.

Posted by: MTF at November 12, 2015 04:37 PM (NVmJr)

58 The only probe that Hillary can cause to expand is Huma's bean.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 12, 2015 04:38 PM (E5UB0)

59 Posted by: MTF at November 12, 2015 04:37 PM (NVmJr)

Did you also trust the military not use their intelligence arm to spy on US citizens in violation of all kinds of laws?

How about the impartial tax collection agency, the IRS. Did you trust them not to single out individuals and groups based on political beliefs?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 12, 2015 04:39 PM (AkOaV)

60 Clinton Inc is too big to fail.

you can bank on it

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 12, 2015 04:39 PM (qCMvj)

61 Riots in Greece. Who saw that coming. College retards here in the USA demonstrating for basically the same thing. ME in flames while Russia tap dances in the void. Europe in it's death throes from the muzzie invasion. The U.S. Constitution has basically been torn up and thrown away.

Please. Someone start a war so we can get this shit over with.

Posted by: Soona at November 12, 2015 04:39 PM (Fmupd)

62 racist

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 12, 2015 04:39 PM (vb33c)

63 59,
Yes I did trust them. Until 2009.

Posted by: Dax at November 12, 2015 04:39 PM (4aIPc)

64 nothing will ever stick to the beast. count on it. demonrats never,ever, eat their own. this is kabuki theater.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at November 12, 2015 04:40 PM (ucDmr)

65
Ultra Rome is our future, not the wasteland of Mad Max.







I'm still hanging onto my stainless steel colander face mask, hockey pads and assless chaps.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 12, 2015 04:40 PM (FeQTe)

66 My guess: they'll dick around investigating for months/years, then chide her for having torn the tag off some mattress or putting recycling in the wrong container, and let it go at that.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 12, 2015 04:40 PM (oKE6c)

67 @44 "I agree, but I don't think they're even going to bother coming up with excuses. ..."


You're ignoring the fast that THEY think of THEMSELVES as being virtuous in all this. The excuse-making is as much FOR THEM - to tell themselves - as it is for anybody else. Everybody KNOWS she's a crook - it's just that some are in denial, because she's all they've got.

Only TRUMP will be able to shred her to pieces over it, BTW. Anybody else is going to go full McCain or Romney with her, and possibly even fail to win an election that you can hardly lose!

Posted by: Optimizer at November 12, 2015 04:40 PM (/q6+P)

68 63 59,
Yes I did trust them. Until 2009.
Posted by: Dax at November 12, 2015 04:39 PM (4aIPc)

Okay, well they did not go from "fully trustworthy" to "not trustworthy" overnight.

It started long before 2009 and has continuously been getting worse.

It may have flourished during Obamas time, but our federal government and its agencies has been corrupt for a longgg time.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 12, 2015 04:41 PM (AkOaV)

69 My hope is that the FBI is dragging this out while the special-order ankle chains are being manufactured in "Cankle" size. But Ace is probably right.

Posted by: Eli Cash at November 12, 2015 04:41 PM (a+WIL)

70 Hope your wrong Ace, but I'm afraid your not.

Posted by: Skip at November 12, 2015 04:41 PM (gviQk)

71 We recommend that additional training regarding protection of classified information include not less than two hours of diversity training.

We also recommend a warning box on the form that the person also has to initial.

Posted by: Future FBI Report at November 12, 2015 04:42 PM (3GAnN)

72 I'm a very special lady.

Posted by: Hillary! at November 12, 2015 04:42 PM (vi+pp)

73 ==> "I just don't feel like we live in a Republic anymore. We live in a gangster country, and the top of each agency knows they have to curry favor with the reigning gang."



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This. Exactly.

I hope you're wrong for my kids sake. But deep down, all you have to do is look at the smirks on Hillary and Obama's face to know it's true.

So sad.

Posted by: GBruno at November 12, 2015 04:42 PM (u49WF)

74 Ace nails it again

Posted by: gwelf at November 12, 2015 04:42 PM (TJ8HB)

75
Ignoramus adds a key if only further dispiriting point. The pay-for-play, from the 7th floor of State, involving the actual policy of formerly the world's sole super-power, has no analogue in US history, and is firmly in the Third World category.

Superlatives fail in describing the corruption and idiocy that now swamp this country. Though it's academic. Only a small and clearly non-controlling portion of the electorate cares or understands.

And the cherry on top: even when, in a feeble spasm of the corpse, a mid-term election (or several) and sub-federal elections deliver a decisive rebuke to the destructive policies being pursued, not much happens. The electorate is largely OK with idiotic policies - and on the few areas where they show some sense, as with O-care and amnesty, the non-republic crams these policies down, relying on outright executive lawlessness and wildly lawless judicial usurpations.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 12, 2015 04:43 PM (QDnY+)

76
That's exactly what this is, Ace.

obama's FBI is going through the motions to only to give Hillary Clinton a clean slate so that no one will bother her about it anymore.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 12, 2015 04:43 PM (Wq7Zg)

77 68,
True, but I haven't heard of any conservative organizations being targeted in prior elections.
Federal corruption was a big deal even back in the 80s/90s when I was active duty, but it was more run of the mill "can't fire a civilian" or the $3300 toilet seats or whatever they were charging. Not specific targeting of conservatives.

Posted by: Dax at November 12, 2015 04:43 PM (4aIPc)

78 @21 Really, President Trump NEEDS to throw the bitch in jail, in order to "Make America Great Again". But he won't.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 12, 2015 04:44 PM (/q6+P)

79 Please. Someone start a war so we can get this shit over with.


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WE'LL BLAME IT ON THE MIDDLE-CLASS

Posted by: Bigby's Hand Inside the Puppet Head at November 12, 2015 04:44 PM (3ZtZW)

80 Incessantly The Right Wing Hate Machine continues it's assault on Mrs. Clinton's noble and historic quest to become America's first female president by continuing to dredge up the slurs and innuendos of this alleged "scandal"!
I, and I'm sure all right thinking, fair minded people hope that soon some brave and honest FBI official exposes this witch hunt for what it is so that Mrs. Clinton can then focus her efforts of doing what's best for America's hard working, middle class families!

Posted by: Real Everyday American at November 12, 2015 04:45 PM (YFFpo)

81 Sadly you are spot on Ace. Our entire government is a joke and probably always will be.

Posted by: jewells45 at November 12, 2015 04:45 PM (l/N7H)

82 Only TRUMP will be able to shred her to pieces over it, BTW. Anybody else is going to go full McCain or Romney with her, and possibly even fail to win an election that you can hardly lose!

Posted by: Optimizer at November 12, 2015 04:40 PM (/q6+P)

- - - - - - -

Nonsense. Cruz, Fiorina, hell even Rubio would dismantle that bitch with surgical precision.

I have no doubt of that.

Posted by: Community Organizer at November 12, 2015 04:46 PM (9VLhN)

83 I just don't feel like we live in a Republic anymore. We live in a gangster country, and the top of each agency knows they have to curry favor with the reigning gang.


Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

I wish I could remember where I read a comment by someone in the intelligence community noting that Hillary is too big to jail *waits for it*.

Funny, I always thought the glory of the American justice system is that there was no such person.

Ahahahahaha. I crack me up.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh please intervene SMOD at November 12, 2015 04:46 PM (mf5HN)

84 Ace, these mandarins scrub each others' tracks because they want the same treatment the next time they step in it. That's why Hillary won't get burned (just think if she's President, and someone in the FBI does something untoward; they're gonna want leniency), that's why no one from the IRS has been punished, hell, it's why no one from the FBI was punished during Prohibition when their scheme to denature alcohol wound up poisoning thousands to death.

It may seem worse now, but it has ever been thus.

Posted by: Brass Bancroft at November 12, 2015 04:46 PM (hAFla)

85 I'd suggest that Republicans get after Trump to make prosecuting Hillary a campaign issue, but that would probably only increase the chances of her being pardoned by Obama in his last week.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 12, 2015 04:46 PM (/q6+P)

86 59 Did you also trust the military not use their intelligence arm to spy on US citizens in violation of all kinds of laws?

How about the impartial tax collection agency, the IRS. Did you trust them not to single out individuals and groups based on political beliefs?
=========================

No, I fully expected the NSA to spy on us (thanks to the Patriot Act) but I do admit to being shocked by the politicization of the IRS.

We agree she will not get indicted, but I think its because the Justice Department is thoroughly corrupt at it's highest levels. And when they do not indict her I expect the already very low morale in intelligence to absolutely crater. If these are not crimes, then what is the beef with any number of people, from John Deutch on down?

Posted by: MTF at November 12, 2015 04:47 PM (NVmJr)

87
Do Not look to the Republicans to save the day.

It's time for a new party. Now.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 12, 2015 04:47 PM (Wq7Zg)

88 Nonsense. Cruz, Fiorina, hell even Rubio would dismantle that bitch with surgical precision.

====

FWIW, Vegas has her winning handily versus *all* potential GOP

Posted by: Bigby's Hand Inside the Puppet Head at November 12, 2015 04:47 PM (3ZtZW)

89 OTOH.. maybe Karma will pay a visit to her. Soon.

Posted by: jewells45 at November 12, 2015 04:48 PM (l/N7H)

90
OK JackStraw, that's a good one I'm stealing: "except for a few Japanese soldiers living on remote islands". Excellent.

Though, for the record, at least the last two of those guys subsequently confirmed that they had lots and lots of evidence during their long jungle-tours that the war was long over and lost, they just stayed in the jungle for other reasons (incl. the wonderful "fidelity to their last orders" rationale).

Posted by: rhomboid at November 12, 2015 04:48 PM (QDnY+)

91 @82

Uh uh. Fiorina would do the most, but she has already peaked and has nowhere to go. You overestimate the other two, but I'll cross my fingers so hard they turn purple if one of them becomes The Guy, anyway.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 12, 2015 04:49 PM (/q6+P)

92 75 Posted by: rhomboid at November 12, 2015 04:43 PM (QDnY+)
----------------------------------------------

This. She took bribes from foreign governments for favorable treatment of matters before the State Dept.

Posted by: MTF at November 12, 2015 04:49 PM (NVmJr)

93
The war has already started.

Most of us just dont realize it.

But the Left has been at war with us for decades and for the last 7 years its been a goddam slaughter.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 12, 2015 04:49 PM (Wq7Zg)

94 Anybody who thinks Half Black Cracker nominated Lynch because she's honest is delusional.

Posted by: Blano at November 12, 2015 04:50 PM (cygkw)

95 You will know whether this is pure Kabuki only by closely watching the Indian Princess's moves and statements over the next couple of weeks.

Expect a couple of news articles citing high-ranking officials to break soon if Val Jar has decided that the Cherokee Maiden should serve Obama's third term.

Posted by: Furious George at November 12, 2015 04:50 PM (3GAnN)

96 Could they just go ahead an clear her of the Lindbergh kidnapping too, while they're at it, so we can finally put that particular ugly rumor to rest?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon (book link in nick) at November 12, 2015 04:50 PM (NeFrd)

97 Federalist has pictures of the "Poop Swastika" Now if you were asked what that looks like with no knowledge of this story, it's unlikely people would think this was a swastika. And it took this long for the photos to get out? Com'on?!!. And what's with the poop on the door handle? Hateful hater wanted to make a racist statement but also forgot to clean the door handle. Whole thing stinks to high heaven.

Obama you have taught Payton well in your little meetings at the WH.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 12, 2015 04:50 PM (No/ki)

98 85 I'd suggest that Republicans get after Trump to make prosecuting Hillary a campaign issue, but that would probably only increase the chances of her being pardoned by Obama in his last week.
Posted by: Optimizer at November 12, 2015 04:46 PM (/q6+P)


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Indict her after he leaves the WH. There's still all the Clinton Foundation lawlessness that could bring down that whole evil family.

Posted by: Soona at November 12, 2015 04:50 PM (Fmupd)

99 My understanding is the FBI would turn over the evidence to the DOJ with possibly a recommendation to indict. Even if Ace is wrong, it's not like the DOJ will go after Hillary. Either way, he's right, this is no longer a Republic. We're letting the people in power grow their power at the expense of the people they are supposed to serve.

Posted by: Ryan at November 12, 2015 04:50 PM (NQeWt)

100 I doubt Hillary is charged, but if the FBI wanted to sweep it under the rug, it would have been FAR smarter to have never opened such a large investigation in the first place.

That's when Hillary's numbers tanked when the FBI got involved and suddenly it went from a political issue of competence to a criminal level offense.

Posted by: Coolio at November 12, 2015 04:50 PM (VjX9z)

101 Gots ta go

Posted by: Bigby's Hand Inside the Puppet Head at November 12, 2015 04:51 PM (3ZtZW)

102 91 @82

Uh uh. Fiorina would do the most, but she has already peaked and has nowhere to go. You overestimate the other two, but I'll cross my fingers so hard they turn purple if one of them becomes The Guy, anyway.
Posted by: Optimizer at November 12, 2015 04:49 PM (/q6+P)

- - - -

I don't think it's overestimating the GOP candidates as much as realizing how terrible a candidate Hillary is. She's poison.

Posted by: Community Organizer at November 12, 2015 04:51 PM (9VLhN)

103

OT,

Just received a gift from a friend, a SpaceX shirt!
And, no, it's not from Bill Whittle!

So cool!

A very bright spot in this rainy day.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 12, 2015 04:51 PM (qCMvj)

104

Hillary shd wear a man-bun. It would look good on her.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at November 12, 2015 04:52 PM (iQIUe)

105 I just don't feel like we live in a Republic anymore. We live in a gangster country, and the top of each agency knows they have to curry favor with the reigning gang.

Posted by: Ace at 04:22 PM

You're essentially right Ace, except agency heads have been known to undermine Republican administrations in the past.
Seems like the kowtowing only truly exists in a Dem administration, perhaps knowing as we all do that Republicans don't have the stones to punish those who cross them.

There's a caveat to that last statement. It shouldn't need explaining.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at November 12, 2015 04:52 PM (kKHcp)

106 82 I have no doubt of that.

Posted by: Community Organizer at November 12, 2015 04:46 PM (9VLhN)
============================

Oh, I completely doubt it. The pressure to treat her nicely will be overwhelming. No Washington politician (except for Cruz calling McConnell a liar) has any history at all of calling out corruption. And Rubio himself is probably corrupt, thanks to the Fanjuls.

Posted by: MTF at November 12, 2015 04:52 PM (NVmJr)

107 time to worry about more important shit.like the kartrashians or the racists at mizzou and ithaca.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at November 12, 2015 04:52 PM (ucDmr)

108 The only hope for Justice is if the corrupt bureaucrats actually BELIEVE their own lies, and think Hillary's safe, followed by President making it happen. They won't, but like I said - it's the ONLY hope.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 12, 2015 04:52 PM (/q6+P)

109 I don't think it's overestimating the GOP candidates as much as realizing how terrible a candidate Hillary is. She's poison.
Posted by: Community Organizer at November 12, 2015 04:51 PM (9VLhN)


she has absolute cover from all angles of MSM, entertainment, education, everything, everywhere...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 12, 2015 04:53 PM (qCMvj)

110 I think your analysis is spot on, except the last sentence. I think the leaders of their respective departments recognize that when Dems head up agencies then absolute fidelity is a requirement. Not so with a Repub at the helm.

Posted by: BuckIV at November 12, 2015 04:53 PM (CLfqv)

111 Just received a gift from a friend, a SpaceX shirt!

What is a SpaceX shirt?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 12, 2015 04:53 PM (No/ki)

112 Thus quote from Jonah Goldberg is a good predictor of what will happen when the FBI is done with their investigation

" We live in a world where the media openly admires how well the Clintons lie their way out of trouble"

Posted by: ADK46er at November 12, 2015 04:53 PM (oA2jF)

113 Not saying she won't get off because Clinton's live
under a different set of rules but I don't see how this helps either
Hillary or the FBI.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 12, 2015 04:37 PM


It says "We're corrupt. We know you know we're corrupt. There's not a fucking thing you can do about it, and we're rubbing that in your faces. So get in line peons, if you know what's good for you."

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 12, 2015 04:54 PM (ttnnR)

114
I cut ya wit mah knife!!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! , O.G. at November 12, 2015 04:54 PM (iQIUe)

115 What a depressing thread.

Now, imagine that hag as CiC. We'll have people bailing left and right so they won't have to serve under that military-hating bitch.

And when things get froggy, as they tend to do, heeeeeere comes the draft, Special Snowflakes. And I'm looking at you entitled princesses, too.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 12, 2015 04:54 PM (FsuaD)

116 Yes Ace I thought exactly the same thing when I heard this. Not that I'm negative: just a realist. My reaction based on the bs of (especially) the last 7 years. Everything is upside down. TFG has cleared Hillary! to be the party nominee. So it shall be written. So it shall be done.

Posted by: small town girl at November 12, 2015 04:54 PM (vrDSm)

117 Couldn't agree more. Gangster country. Corruption at the highest levels of every Department of the Obama Administration -- including the most dangerous IRS, DOJ, DHS. Clinton will skate and she will install her private servers in the WH living quarters.

Posted by: gracepc at November 12, 2015 04:54 PM (OU4q6)

118 Regarding the whole "gangster government" even if none of the GOP candidates does a damn thing on say entitlement reform, just having a semi-honest form of government is a pretty big victory in my opinion.

I mean we now have a DOJ that was handing weapons to drug cartels in order to undermine the 2nd Amendment and the IRS going after conservatives with zero criminal prosecutions.

This idea that "they're all the same" is bullshit. Look at the Bush scandals, they were complete nonsense, stupid shit like Valerie Plame.

Posted by: Coolio at November 12, 2015 04:55 PM (VjX9z)

119 Just received a gift from a friend, a SpaceX shirt!

What is a SpaceX shirt?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 12, 2015 04:53 PM (No/ki)


SpaceX just released epic footage of its SuperDraco engines that can take a rocket from 0 to 100 mph in 1.2 seconds
http://read.bi/1WPBT6Z

Quietly, the new space race between SpaceX and Boeing burns hot
Whichever company flies astronauts first in 2017 gains bragging rights.
http://bit.ly/1WRgFAq

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 12, 2015 04:55 PM (qCMvj)

120 @105 "... Seems like the kowtowing only truly exists in a Dem administration, perhaps knowing as we all do that Republicans don't have the stones to punish those who cross them. ..."

Hmmm. ... Can I think of a Republican candidate who might actually HAVE those kind of stones? ... Um, yeah! But JUST ONE...

Posted by: Optimizer at November 12, 2015 04:55 PM (/q6+P)

121 115: This!

Posted by: chavez the hugo at November 12, 2015 04:56 PM (ucDmr)

122 Two, four, six, eight
Who do we ex-on-er-ate!?!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon (book link in nick) at November 12, 2015 04:56 PM (NeFrd)

123 Yoo hoo!

Anyone remember me? Anyone remember Bill's trips to my private island? The one with the underage girls being held incommunicado and forced to sexually service my guests?

No? I'm safely off the radar? News cycle full to the brim with e-mails instead?

All to the good, then. Carry on, FBI.

Posted by: Jeffrey Epstein at November 12, 2015 04:56 PM (noWW6)

124 No Washington politician (except for Cruz calling McConnell a liar) has any history at all of calling out corruption.


*cough* Joe Wilson *cough*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 12, 2015 04:56 PM (FsuaD)

125
Ace, you're my older moron and I wuv you. But dont ever take side with anyone against the blog again. Evah!

Posted by: Gangster Bruce With a Gangster Wang! , O.G. at November 12, 2015 04:56 PM (iQIUe)

126 Hillary will be good for the United States and here is why :















Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 12, 2015 04:56 PM (3anni)

127 "I just don't feel like we live in a Republic anymore. We live in a gangster country, and the top of each agency knows they have to curry favor with the reigning gang."

Tell me about it.

Posted by: Scooter Libby at November 12, 2015 04:56 PM (u83AO)

128 Is it true that after extensive investigation the FBI has found no evidence that Hillary put the ram in the rama-lama-ding-dong?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon (book link in nick) at November 12, 2015 04:57 PM (NeFrd)

129

superdraco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zOzk0keqU8

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 12, 2015 04:57 PM (qCMvj)

130
Made it, Ace! Top of the world!

Posted by: Gangster Bruce With a Gangster Wang! , O.G. at November 12, 2015 04:58 PM (iQIUe)

131 109 I don't think it's overestimating the GOP candidates as much as realizing how terrible a candidate Hillary is. She's poison.
Posted by: Community Organizer at November 12, 2015 04:51 PM (9VLhN)

she has absolute cover from all angles of MSM, entertainment, education, everything, everywhere...
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 12, 2015 04:53 PM (qCMvj)

- - -

That's every Democrat ever.

Posted by: Community Organizer at November 12, 2015 04:58 PM (9VLhN)

132

I just don't feel like we live in a Republic anymore. We live in a
gangster country, and the top of each agency knows they have to curry
favor with the reigning gang.



Posted by: Ace


Yeah, I know what you mean...

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at November 12, 2015 04:58 PM (/Ho8c)

133 so, re the sidebar story on the mizzou shistika, as part of the investigation, are they gonna do dna testing on the shitfitti?

Posted by: yankeefifth at November 12, 2015 04:58 PM (vb33c)

134 Jeeze louise. Gutfeld just showed a campus princess (student body vp) saying she's "so tired of the first amendment."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 12, 2015 04:58 PM (FsuaD)

135 94
Anybody who thinks Half Black Cracker nominated Lynch because she's honest is delusional.

Posted by: Blano at November 12, 2015 04:50 PM (cygkw)

Yeah, you got that right.

Posted by: Jon Corzine at November 12, 2015 04:58 PM (jJRIy)

136 randomponderings is my ip banned? new internet service today but shows as banned.

Posted by: willow at November 12, 2015 04:59 PM (M7pnY)

137 They have to have a "thorough" investigation before doing nothing and letting Hillary! get away with it...

Posted by: The Kabuki Hat at November 12, 2015 04:59 PM (vBeA5)

138 Dana Perino wins the internets.

To all the Snowflakes saying they "don't feel safe on their campuses," say that to girls trying to go to school in Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 12, 2015 05:00 PM (FsuaD)

139
Mother of Mercy! Is this the end of Ace?

Posted by: Gangster Bruce With a Gangster Wang! , O.G. at November 12, 2015 05:00 PM (iQIUe)

140 Really, what might actually work is putting the pressure on President Trump AFTER he's elected, if Obama is too careless, or just contemptuous enough of the Clintons, to NOT pardon her. Even still, it would be IMPOSSIBLE for a pardon to completely cover ALL her crimes - they'd have to miss SOMETHING!

But maybe we'll have all moved onto other concerns by then.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 12, 2015 05:01 PM (/q6+P)

141 On a plus note, does anyone think Hillary! looks healthy?

Just sayin'.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 12, 2015 05:01 PM (FsuaD)

142 134 Jeeze louise. Gutfeld just showed a campus princess (student body vp) saying she's "so tired of the first amendment."
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 12, 2015 04:58 PM (FsuaD)


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And just think. If history is any indication, within another generation, these people will be running the country.

Posted by: Soona at November 12, 2015 05:02 PM (Fmupd)

143 The Time of Purification is at hand.

Posted by: The Angel of Death in a Funny Hat at November 12, 2015 05:03 PM (evdj2)

144 I found this while perusing the CATO site


Donald Trump Has the Right Idea: If America Is Going to Defend the World, Rich Allies Should Pay Up

Today the Pentagon underwrites the defense of wealthy nations across the globe. Doing so costs America hundreds of billions of dollars annually while leaving Americans less secure. Washington should stop using the Pentagon as a global welfare agency.

The U.S. government at least should charge for its defense services, as Donald Trump has suggested. This is a second best option. But America shouldn't be defending its rich friends for free.


http://bit.ly/1kQqzGe

and this

The Reckless Proposal to Impose a No-Fly Zone in Syria

Bad foreign policy ideas have a nasty habit of recirculating. One of the worst is the proposal to impose a no-fly zone in Syria to protect rebel forces attempting to overthrow Bashar al-Assad's regime. President Obama has wisely resisted that scheme, but the likely Democratic presidential nominee, Hillary Clinton, has endorsed it. And in the most recent GOP debate, several candidates, especially Senator Marco Rubio and Carly Fiorina, enthusiastically signed-on to the strategy. Only Senator Rand Paul unequivocally opposed it.


http://bit.ly/1O66ndn

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 12, 2015 05:03 PM (qCMvj)

145 Making materially false statements

The Clinton syndicate doesn't even have to keep track anymore.

Posted by: DaveA at November 12, 2015 05:03 PM (DL2i+)

146 Dana Perino wins the internets.

To all the Snowflakes saying they "don't feel safe on their campuses," say that to girls trying to go to school in Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 12, 2015 05:00 PM (FsuaD)


love Dana

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 12, 2015 05:04 PM (qCMvj)

147 Jeeze louise. Gutfeld just showed a campus princess (student body vp) saying she's "so tired of the first amendment."
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 12, 2015 04:58 PM (FsuaD)


I'm tired of liberals.
What do I win?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 12, 2015 05:04 PM (qCMvj)

148 The new Black (natch) interim president of Mizzou says "safe spaces" are "critical."

I hate this world.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 12, 2015 05:04 PM (FsuaD)

149
What a depressing thread.

Now, imagine that hag as CiC. We'll have people bailing left and right so they won't have to serve under that military-hating bitch.

And when things get froggy, as they tend to do, heeeeeere comes the draft, Special Snowflakes. And I'm looking at you entitled princesses, too.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 12, 2015 04:54 PM (FsuaD)








I'm currently re-reading John Ringo's The Last Centurion. The portrayal of Pres. Warrick/Cankles is SPOT ON to what a Cankles Administration would be like. It'd make JugEars look sane, and wise.

Actually, it's probably understating the reality.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 12, 2015 05:04 PM (FeQTe)

150
so as i was saying. we now seem to have streams of laws and regulations that pertain only to us little joe averages.
those that have power have laws as suggestions but not binding, certainly not meant to be used as punishment to stop arrogant ,weazely, or criminal behavior.

Posted by: willow at November 12, 2015 05:05 PM (M7pnY)

151 I really hate the Godfather.

Posted by: Gangster Bruce With a Gangster Wang! at November 12, 2015 05:05 PM (iQIUe)

152
OK, not O/T strictly speaking, as it is "triggered" by the topic of this post.

Among the self-consciously clever snark we see from Insty and echoed here occasionally is the one about "well at least the press will return to their watchdog role if a GOP administration takes power".

WTF? Complete idiocy. Just some quick highlights from the last GOP presidency: Valerie Plame, dismissed US attorneys, Katrina, "missing" high-explosives in Iraqi armories. All of these ridiculous on their face, nothing the least bit bad, illegal, or otherwise scandalous (or even accurate) about them. Nothing at all.

And all of them key building blocks in the fantasy world in which most LIVs (esp. "educated" NPR-listener types) live WRT Bush. No, any GOP administration would lead not to a serious and responsible press, but an even worse and more tendentious version of the farcical one we had until 2009.



Posted by: rhomboid at November 12, 2015 05:05 PM (QDnY+)

153 Too big to fail,
Too big to jail,
Hillary doesn't email
And Bill doesn't inhale

Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 12, 2015 05:06 PM (Uq9ly)

154 @7 "That's why the GOP strategy of focusing on the illegality of her actions is misplaced. Instead, they should be focusing on the lack of judgement and what that says about her fitness to be President. This angle isn't dependent on a corrupt DOJ or FBI to prosecute, and it goes to the issue that matters most: do voters feel comfortable with some one as stupid and reckless and Clinton in the White House."


That's a good point, unfortunately. WE know that the system is rigged, but there could be countless numbers of clueless LIVs out there who will buy the line that "she's not guilty because the FBI says so."

Still, they can go with using this as an example of corruption in government (which sounds like its becoming obvious), and do the "she's incompetent" angle at the same time.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 12, 2015 05:06 PM (/q6+P)

155 FNC is probably in on it too. A gullible foe that wants to be able to broadcast to their audience - we've got her? That's who I'd leak to.

Posted by: East Bay Jay at November 12, 2015 05:06 PM (PvCxa)

156 Gotta go get ready for a fundraiser for non-Special Snowflakes.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 12, 2015 05:07 PM (FsuaD)

157 Hillary should sue and say that laws requiring the telling if the truth are discriminatory toward women and thus shouldn't be enforced.

Posted by: blaster at November 12, 2015 05:07 PM (2Ocf1)

158 On a plus note, does anyone think Hillary! looks healthy?Just sayin'.Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 12, 2015 05:01 PM (FsuaD

Not sure where Drudge got the picture of her having a bad hair day from hell, but it looked like someone in early chemo.

Btw: what color choice for domicile d'oh?

Posted by: se pa moron at November 12, 2015 05:07 PM (7v/r5)

159

so as i was saying. we now seem to have streams of laws and regulations that pertain only to us little joe averages.
those that have power have laws as suggestions but not binding, certainly not meant to be used as punishment to stop arrogant ,weazely, or criminal behavior.
Posted by: willow at November 12, 2015 05:05 PM (M7pnY)



the middle peasant class revived

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 12, 2015 05:07 PM (qCMvj)

160 I never saw "The Hunger Games" but this is a pretty plausible way that it could have started down that path.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 12, 2015 05:08 PM (LA7Cm)

161 Jeeze louise. Gutfeld just showed a campus princess (student body vp) saying she's "so tired of the first amendment."


I saw that on Louder with Crowder.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 12, 2015 05:08 PM (fjZl+)

162
Jeeze louise. Gutfeld just showed a campus princess (student body vp) saying she's "so tired of the first amendment."


Posted by: Jane D'oh


Da fuq?

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at November 12, 2015 05:08 PM (/Ho8c)

163

at least one computer model as the GOP winning


others don't


but the one (reuters, I think) is supposed to be more cumulative data versus the other (moody's I think)

cling to the hope

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 12, 2015 05:09 PM (qCMvj)

164 Hillary will be prosecuted.

Obama's transcripts will be unsealed and the LAT will release the video.

All future poop swastikas will be made with unicorn shit, will look like rainbows and will be edible (skittle flavored - naturally)

I'd like to teach the world to sing... c'mon! everybody!
In perfect...

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at November 12, 2015 05:09 PM (BZAd3)

165 Maybe, just maybe the FBI will have so much on Hildabeast that the injustice department wouldn't be able to help her.

Posted by: Skip at November 12, 2015 05:09 PM (gviQk)

166 If the political leadership of the FBI, and the AG office both fail to prosecute, line FBI agents need to arrest them for obstruction of justice...at the minimum. The politicians (of both parties now) ignore the law. It is up to those who swore an oath to enforce the law to do so.

That oath is sworn to the Constitution, not to lying politicians.

Posted by: Grad School Fool at November 12, 2015 05:09 PM (A9KzJ)

167
artisanal, eh, we are peasants of the Kingdom of ___?

we really should change our ideasof hope, we have nothing but change for thosescheming and paying enough graft to our l-rds.

Posted by: willow at November 12, 2015 05:10 PM (M7pnY)

168

Maybe the hacker at large has the dirt on hillary, and is just waiting like a kitteh waiting to pounce...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 12, 2015 05:10 PM (qCMvj)

169 Just spitballing here, but could there be a business opportunity providing collegiate bubble wrap services? Talk about the ultimate safe space, coat the little darlings in about 16 inches of bubblewrap all around.


Roll 'em down to the quad for their protests.

What do you think?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon (book link in nick) at November 12, 2015 05:10 PM (NeFrd)

170 If they really want a safe space they should just sit in their dorm room on the bed with their i-phone and never attend classes-unless, of course, there's a tornado or something.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 12, 2015 05:11 PM (No/ki)

171 If we are going to allow some people to get away with this shit while tossing others in jail for less, I would really like to see the new rules spelled out. What laws am I immune from if I can amass 10 million in net assets? What would an elected office get me in terms of immunity?
Hell, why not bring back patents of Nobility? I know those are outlawed in the Constitution but who gives a crap about that anymore?

Posted by: JB1000 at November 12, 2015 05:11 PM (16OL0)

172 artisanal, eh, we are peasants of the Kingdom of ___?

you know I can't answer that!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 12, 2015 05:11 PM (qCMvj)

173 Yup. You have to pretend to do a thorough and complete investigation in order to pretend Hillary did nothing illegal.

Posted by: MLCross at November 12, 2015 05:12 PM (D6lM8)

174 If we are going to allow some people to get away with this shit while tossing others in jail for less, I would really like to see the new rules spelled out. What laws am I immune from if I can amass 10 million in net assets? What would an elected office get me in terms of immunity?
Hell, why not bring back patents of Nobility? I know those are outlawed in the Constitution but who gives a crap about that anymore?
Posted by: JB1000 at November 12, 2015 05:11 PM (16OL0)


they've got a bajillion lawyers and bajillion dollars to find some twisted law or loophole in their favor

we don't

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 12, 2015 05:12 PM (qCMvj)

175 >>Just spitballing here, but could there be a business opportunity providing collegiate bubble wrap services?


Sell 'em blankies and binkies, too. Infants find
'em comforting, so why not cry-bullies?

Posted by: Lizzy at November 12, 2015 05:12 PM (NOIQH)

176 @144 "I found this while perusing the CATO site

Donald Trump Has the Right Idea: If America Is Going to Defend the World, Rich Allies Should Pay Up ..."


I see the appeal, and maybe he could find the right way to do this, but there are two obvious problems:
1) You're making our military look like mercenaries.
2) The countries that you're looking to to pony up have %500 debt to GDP ratios - ready to collapse financially any minute.

What it comes down to is that we end up policing the World because it is in OUR best interest, and we will get the bill. If he can get somebody else to help out, that would be "fabulous", but don't expect too much. At least Trump SEES, and UNDERSTANDS what the US brings to the table, on the World stage.

Posted by: Optimizer at November 12, 2015 05:13 PM (/q6+P)

177

gotta shower before dinner

cyas

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 12, 2015 05:13 PM (qCMvj)

178 Things would be different in this country if all of the university students weren't held captive on their campuses and were allowed to make their own decisions, pay their own way; those kinds of things.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at November 12, 2015 05:14 PM (BZAd3)

179 Poop may have happened but I still stand by my assertion that lefty nuts are the poopers.

Posted by: Gangster Bruce With a Gangster Wang! at November 12, 2015 05:16 PM (iQIUe)

180 #141 "On a plus note, does anyone think Hillary! looks healthy?

Just sayin'."


See my #46!!!

Posted by: Optimizer at November 12, 2015 05:16 PM (/q6+P)

181 If Hillary glides through this she will have proven two things: 1) the Clintons are undefeatable and 2) the American experiment in democracy has failed.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 12, 2015 05:16 PM (Uq9ly)

182 After an interagency collaborative investigation, the FBI has cleared Hillary in the shooting of Liberty Valance.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon (book link in nick) at November 12, 2015 05:16 PM (NeFrd)

183 "I just don't feel like we live in a Republic anymore. We live in a gangster country, and the top of each agency knows they have to curry favor with the reigning gang."

Absolutely right. And fuck the GOP for allowing it to happen.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at November 12, 2015 05:17 PM (u5gzz)

184 "What it comes down to is that we end up policing the World because it is in OUR best interest, and we will get the bill. If he can get somebody else to help out, that would be "fabulous", but don't expect too much."


The Brits and the French used to be nations with serious international military capability that did this with us. They then decided the welfare state was more important and went home.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 12, 2015 05:17 PM (LA7Cm)

185 I'd really like the new rules spelled out....Posted by: JB1000 at November 12, 2015 05:11 PM (16OL0)

But you see, it can't work that way. The Whole Point of our new political class is that rules and punishment are arbitrary, and enforced on whim. Spelling it out defeats that.

That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at November 12, 2015 05:18 PM (kKHcp)

186 After an interagency collaborative investigation, the FBI has cleared Hillary in the shooting of Liberty Valance.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon (book link in nick) at November 12, 2015 05:16 PM


And the sheriff was asking for it, mon.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 12, 2015 05:18 PM (ttnnR)

187
Cloyd, they are enablers at the least co conspirators at the worst.

Posted by: willow at November 12, 2015 05:18 PM (M7pnY)

188 >>If Hillary glides through this she will have proven two things: 1) the Clintons are undefeatable and 2) the American experiment in democracy has failed.

Well she's already been defeated once but I'm pretty sure our experiment in representative democracy is already over.

It was always going to end. Just a shame it happened on our watch.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 12, 2015 05:19 PM (/tuJf)

189 I don't like Trump, I think his deportation idea is nuts, I think he's got the emotional maturity of a fourth-grader, but dammit, he's the only one who got out and said anything worth hearing about the Missouri situation. He may get my vote after all.

Posted by: LuntzDunce at November 12, 2015 05:19 PM (Uq9ly)

190 182: Pretty sure they cleared her in the death of Old Yeller too. And Bubba.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at November 12, 2015 05:19 PM (ucDmr)

191 >>>" We live in a world where the media openly admires how well the Clintons lie their way out of trouble"
Posted by: ADK46er
---------------------------------------------
That eerie quote by Yglesias. Because she's always willing to do whatever it takes to bring about change. Pure Machiavellianism. They are all sociopaths, morally hollow, flocking to government like barnacles, and the voters too oblivious to scrape them away, even when they (both R & D) betray their own bases.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 12, 2015 05:20 PM (E5UB0)

192 131 109 I don't think it's overestimating the GOP candidates as much as realizing how terrible a candidate Hillary is. She's poison.
Posted by: Community Organizer at November 12, 2015 04:51 PM (9VLhN)

she has absolute cover from all angles of MSM, entertainment, education, everything, everywhere...
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 12, 2015 04:53 PM (qCMvj)

_________

She, like every Democrats, starts out with something like 245 EVs out of 270 needed. Which means she really only has to campaign to win a couple of states.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at November 12, 2015 05:20 PM (0LHZx)

193 FBI sources reveal that there investigation has found that Hillary was not involved in the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon (book link in nick) at November 12, 2015 05:21 PM (NeFrd)

194 @176 Desert Storm was a net profit for the US if you discount expended munitions/vehicles and of course the loss of lives.

Posted by: blaster at November 12, 2015 05:21 PM (2Ocf1)

195 And another thing, that cackle of hers ... has she been coached to develop it? It's quite remarkable: utterly annoying yet ineffective. Quite a feat.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 12, 2015 05:21 PM (Uq9ly)

196
i truly never wanted to live in interesting times.
i used to think This is America! now i think omg this is america.
we've read what happens next if we are unable to stop this at the voting booth

Posted by: willow at November 12, 2015 05:22 PM (M7pnY)

197 We're watching and we don't appreciate all this casting of aspersions. We can make life very uncomfortable for you, like for example, hiding your razors, pron and Val-u-rite stash.

Posted by: Flowers By Irene at November 12, 2015 05:22 PM (ZxVJD)

198 Ha, no.

The FBI does not start investigations of materially false statements to polish a turd. They're relatively nonpartisan. They're not like the political appointees at DOJ.

The FBI is also not the MSM. All her little artful dodging and dancing that let the media pretend to itself nothing happened just create more felonies when the Effa Bee Eye is in the room.

Posted by: TallDave at November 12, 2015 05:22 PM (74ZYB)

199 The Brits and the French used to be nations with serious international military capability that did this with us. They then decided the welfare state was more important and went home.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 12, 2015 05:17 PM (LA7Cm)

______

At the end of WW2, Canada has the 4th largest military in the world. Not bad for a country of only 10M or so.

And then quickly thereafter they decided, fuck it, the US will protect us, let's spend the money on socialist shit instead.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at November 12, 2015 05:23 PM (0LHZx)

200 Dayum, I'm starting to type like a hillbilly.


"That there investigation..."


as opposed to this one over heayah.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon (book link in nick) at November 12, 2015 05:23 PM (NeFrd)

201 Ace, you really need to do your homework as you and many of your contributing authors have been very sloppy lately.

Whether or not you believe that the FBI is corrupt at the highest levels (and it is not) is irrelevant. The FBI is strictly an investigative law enforcement agency and if it had the most damning evidence in the universe against Hillary or anyone else, it could do nothing against her in the federal courts. The FBI is only an investigative agency within the DOJ and has no prosecutorial powers. The DOJ will make any decisions as to whether or not to prosecute Hillary, not the FBI.

So please quit slandering the wrong agency, okay?

Posted by: carlito at November 12, 2015 05:23 PM (MUJMq)

202 Seamus, thanks for the chuckle

Posted by: willow at November 12, 2015 05:23 PM (M7pnY)

203 Judge Napalatano on Fox has been quite strong in believing Hillary is toast. He's probably just wishcasting but, well, he is a judge. Maybe there's hope.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 12, 2015 05:24 PM (Uq9ly)

204 I'm doin' alright
gettin' good grades
my future's so bright

dunga, dunga, dunga, dunga

I gotta wear
dunga, dunga, dunga
shaaaaaades.

Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 12, 2015 05:24 PM (3anni)

205 Ironically, you can't be arrested for criticizing the First Amendment because the First Amendment protects even really stupid speech.

Posted by: TallDave at November 12, 2015 05:24 PM (74ZYB)

206
175 >>Just spitballing here, but could there be a business opportunity providing collegiate bubble wrap services?


Sell 'em blankies and binkies, too. Infants find
'em comforting, so why not cry-bullies?
Posted


---------------------


Heh. This would be a great opportunity to actually introduce "typhoid blankets".

Posted by: Soona at November 12, 2015 05:24 PM (Fmupd)

207 @carlito I guess it all depends whose ox is being gored, eh?

Posted by: blaster at November 12, 2015 05:24 PM (2Ocf1)

208 203 Judge Napalatano on Fox has been quite strong in believing Hillary is toast. He's probably just wishcasting but, well, he is a judge. Maybe there's hope.
Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 12, 2015 05:24 PM (Uq9ly)

________

HA HA HA!! Yeah I'm a judge too.

Posted by: John "It's a Tax" Roberts at November 12, 2015 05:25 PM (0LHZx)

209 When I was younger I used to play that song, "The Man who shot Liberty Valance" over and over again-the James Taylor version, not the Gene Pitney version:

http://tinyurl.com/ofh6fok

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 12, 2015 05:25 PM (No/ki)

210
carlito we'd all love to have faith. yet we've been watching the worm turn.
if they do their job, it will actually give hope
but see irs.
epa.

Posted by: willow at November 12, 2015 05:26 PM (M7pnY)

211 Heh. This would be a great opportunity to actually introduce "typhoid blankets".



They are already playing with the bubonic plauge

Posted by: rickb223 at November 12, 2015 05:26 PM (fjZl+)

212 Ok, this is funny. Twitchy captured the responses to a tweet from Mother Jones regarding Hilldogger that starts off "Hillary Did Something No Other Candidate has Done". Oh, the possibilities...

http://bit.ly/1MZZuNK

Posted by: MTF at November 12, 2015 05:26 PM (NVmJr)

213 Ironically, you can't be arrested for criticizing the First Amendment because the First Amendment protects even really stupid speech.

****


Well put. I was wondering what she would have said if someone told her to "Shut up!"

If she had cognition it might have caused dissonance.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon (book link in nick) at November 12, 2015 05:27 PM (NeFrd)

214 203
Judge Napalatano on Fox has been quite strong in believing Hillary is
toast. He's probably just wishcasting but, well, he is a judge. Maybe
there's hope.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 12, 2015 05:24 PM (Uq9ly)

I think he is an idiot and also very goofy looking.
Why the hell do they have a low ranking NY State judge making comments on national TV?

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 12, 2015 05:29 PM (jJRIy)

215
we probably need to send out far and wide that america is not now a free society .
so all those border jumpers will be stymied and head to the EU instead.

Posted by: willow at November 12, 2015 05:29 PM (M7pnY)

216
"I just don't feel like we live in a Republic anymore. We live in a gangster country, and the top of each agency knows they have to curry favor with the reigning gang."
Yup. The agency heads are in the "bargaining" phase. Certain more enlightened individuals, who may be blog proprietors are already in Stage IV.

Posted by: simplemind at November 12, 2015 05:30 PM (JTwsP)

217 The FBI is like every other bureaucratic agency that has ever existed. It is subject to political control, growth complex, and turf guarding just as much as every other organization that has existed.

There is a organizational culture that makes the FBI less subject to factors of corruption, but how long have the politicians of both parties been suborning the agency?

I'll have full and complete faith in the FBI when Clinton is rotting in jail with every politician that runs interference for her.

Bonus points if she gets injured resisting arrest.

Posted by: Grad School Fool at November 12, 2015 05:30 PM (A9KzJ)

218 I think he is an idiot and also very goofy looking.
Why the hell do they have a low ranking NY State judge making comments on national TV?


YOU'RE OUT OF ORDER, COUNSELOR!!!

Posted by: Judge Napolitano at November 12, 2015 05:30 PM (8ZskC)

219 Macbeth: "If thou couldst, doctor, cast
The water of my land, find her disease,
And purge it to a sound and pristine health,
I would applaud thee to the very echo,
That should applaud again."

Me: I too would applaud thee, Doctor. You can start by flushing Hillary down the toilet.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 12, 2015 05:31 PM (Uq9ly)

220 " america is not now a free society "


I don't know if they care so much about the freedom. It's the free loot that really gets them here.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 12, 2015 05:31 PM (LA7Cm)

221
203 Judge Napalatano on Fox has been quite strong in believing Hillary is toast. He's probably just wishcasting but, well, he is a judge. Maybe there's hope.
So legally, she should be toast. Politically however, it appears whatever she had on Biden/Obama was pretty good, because Biden stayed out. She's the dems only shot now and they can't let her go to jail and risk Trump, Carson or Rubio or certainly notCruz.

Posted by: simplemind at November 12, 2015 05:32 PM (JTwsP)

222 think he is an idiot and also very goofy looking.
Why the hell do they have a low ranking NY State judge making comments on national TV?


Posted by: Nip Sip at November 12, 2015 05:29 PM (jJRIy)

Because you were not available?

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at November 12, 2015 05:32 PM (QPdNE)

223 Replace Federal with Imperial for accuracy.

Posted by: eman at November 12, 2015 05:33 PM (MQEz6)

224
Ricardo, uh hmm, from the top and on down
is this how trickle downtheories is supposed to look?

Posted by: willow at November 12, 2015 05:33 PM (M7pnY)

225 Nip Sip, if you're gonna complain about the Judge's looks, post a pic yourself otherwise STFU.

Posted by: Blano at November 12, 2015 05:34 PM (dt+4+)

226
theories are *

or theory is*

Posted by: willow at November 12, 2015 05:34 PM (M7pnY)

227 Nip, ditto on, Napolitano.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 12, 2015 05:35 PM (QDnY+)

228 Because you were not available?

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at November 12, 2015 05:32 PM (QPdNE)

I don't know nothing about birthing da law.

Why not a retired FEDERAL judge?

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 12, 2015 05:35 PM (jJRIy)

229 Napolitano's judicial gravitas, not his looks, on that ditto.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 12, 2015 05:37 PM (QDnY+)

230 Yeah, like federal judges are really good at following the law lately.

(Rolls eyes)

Posted by: Blano at November 12, 2015 05:37 PM (O1R1o)

231 Oh, thank you ace, darling! I love coming here, always cheers me up!

I was a bit nervous for a minute, but I can't find fault with the inexorable flow of your logic! No need to ask any of you for "prayers"! HAHAHAAHAHHHHAAA!!! You superstitious BIGOTS. Why don't you pray to Mecca? Might be more effective! HAHAHAHAA!!! Oh, your misery is sweet music to my ears. And I'll bet ace wishes he could get tail like Huma instead of those ewoks he dates.


Time to get soused, on YOUR dime! HAHAAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at November 12, 2015 05:37 PM (E5UB0)

232 225
Nip Sip, if you're gonna complain about the Judge's looks, post a pic yourself otherwise STFU.

Posted by: Blano at November 12, 2015 05:34 PM (dt+4+)

It's NOT radio. He has a face for radio. You going to praise Megan for her looks, why shouldn't the same standard be applied to male "actors".

That hair with his slicked back hair plugs is disgusting.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 12, 2015 05:38 PM (jJRIy)

233 Nip, Federal judges have life appointments. Like none of them retire, unless its to die.

Posted by: simplemind at November 12, 2015 05:39 PM (JTwsP)

234 Napolitano's judicial gravitas, not his looks, on that ditto.Posted by: rhomboid at November 12, 2015 05:37 PM (QDnY+)whew, because i was getting ready to take back all the glitter i throw on your posts to attract readers.

Posted by: willow at November 12, 2015 05:39 PM (M7pnY)

235 Nip Sip, if you're gonna complain about the Judge's looks, post a pic yourself otherwise STFU.

LOL.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 12, 2015 05:40 PM (No/ki)

236 In the Farts Awakens, Princess Leia will be named "General Leia".

Will she shave her head and paint a Confederate Battle Flag on it, I wonder? I'll bet Vester Flanagan would be offended.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 12, 2015 05:41 PM (E5UB0)

237 233
Nip, Federal judges have life appointments. Like none of them retire, unless its to die.

Posted by: simplemind at November 12, 2015 05:39 PM (JTwsP)

Not true. Many retire, I know a couple. They can still sit in a retired status, but if they don't want to they do not have to.


I believe Nap was a judge in the lowest court in NY. You know the guy that hears your speeding ticket. Yeah, that's him. Fully qualified to comment on the laws of the land.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 12, 2015 05:43 PM (jJRIy)

238 She could wear an aborted fetus on her head vs the wig and no one would care. Clinton Rule #999.

Agree, nothing will be done. No matter how damning. Should she change her name back to Rodham, maybe. Should she strip nekkid and twerk. Maybe...she would, for sure, lose the male vote if she hasn't already (my husband rates her voice with that of Martha Stewart's, which used to send him into wherever I was listening to her show and cause a mute button or two). xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at November 12, 2015 05:43 PM (yG5Nj)

239 236 In the Farts Awakens, Princess Leia will be named "General Leia".

Will she shave her head and paint a Confederate Battle Flag on it, I wonder? I'll bet Vester Flanagan would be offended.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 12, 2015 05:41 PM (E5UB0)

- - -

Not everything is a political commentary. Maybe she would like, wait to see the movie.

Posted by: President Douchenozzle at November 12, 2015 05:45 PM (9VLhN)

240 Fully qualified to comment on the laws of the land.

He's a judge. Why wouldn't he be qualified to comment on any laws he choses to comment on? You're not a Judge, I assume, and you do.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 12, 2015 05:48 PM (No/ki)

241
ace,

You might be right. The FBI just might be clearing the decks to release a finding of: "Clinton was somewhat reckless. But no law was broken, here."
- I think the intuition you're sharing seems disturbingly plausible.

But consider what the FBI would be risking if they did that. They wouldn't just be setting an atrocious precedent that could embolden other malicious assholes to similarly jeopardize national security in the future. (And make it harder to prosecute them.)

The FBI would also be risking their credibility and standing with the public at a fundamental level.
No, most Americans are paying close attention to conclude the FBI is corrupt if it fails to prosecute obvious criminal activity.
But enough Americans are closely watching that if the FBI exonerates the obvious criminal behavior and corruption of Clinton in plain sight of God and everyone that they run the risk of turning themselves into a sick national joke. - An enduring punchline.

The O.J. jury was disbanded and largely forgotten after the acquittal. - It was not a long-enduring organization with a professional purpose.

But the FBI will have to live with pushing an obvious lie on the American public. Worse, it's a lie that declares: "We don't take national security all that seriously."

That's a tall, nasty order. And it's not clear what they would get in exchange for fulfilling it either.

Will the upper echelon of the FBI really be willing to risk that a huge and outspoken swath of the American public would PERMANENTLY lose all confidence in them as an organization? Will they risk being forever dismissed as a corrupt arm of the left? Worthy of defiance on political grounds?
That'd be a dangerous game to play and to encourage others to play.

Maybe they'll do it. But it still seems at least unlikely.


Posted by: Trump Super Fan at November 12, 2015 05:50 PM (l2dSQ)

242 Oh, your misery is sweet music to my ears.

Oh, I'm not miserable, Hillary and I do pray for your every day because in addition to being a crook you're not a happy person.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 12, 2015 05:51 PM (No/ki)

243 Jessa Duggar Seewald & hubby naming their new baby "Spurgeon". But Spurgeon was overweight and struggled with depression his whole life. Not exactly an auspicious name for a baby. Surely there must have been a happier good preacher out there (and no, Osteen is not good).

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 12, 2015 05:53 PM (E5UB0)

244 He's a judge. Why wouldn't he be qualified to
comment on any laws he choses to comment on? You're not a Judge, I
assume, and you do.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 12, 2015 05:48 PM (No/ki)

The same reason that each state requires you to take a bar exam before you can practice law in that state.



Each state's laws are different. The laws in NY may not be the same in SC, etc. A state judge commenting on Federal issues would have no more authority than you do. Huge over site on Fox's part.


Commenting on a blog is not commenting on national TV, I am sure you understand the difference.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 12, 2015 05:53 PM (jJRIy)

245 osted by: Bruce Boehner at November 12, 2015 05:53 PM (E5UB0)

He was also an extremely powerful and effective preacher. Much more appropriate to name him that than after that used car salesman Osteen.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 12, 2015 05:56 PM (No/ki)

246 If Andrew Napolitano had a sex change but no plastic surgery, she'd still be a more convincing woman than Janet Napolitano.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 12, 2015 05:56 PM (E5UB0)

247
i'm goig to head out to finish up dinner prep.
i hope to come back to chat with a bottle of wine and hair pins taken out and flowing free.
peace

Posted by: willow at November 12, 2015 05:58 PM (M7pnY)

248 At Oddsmaker Hills is now -140 (bet 140 to win 100) to take the Presidency. So in the last two months she has gone from +140 to -140. If the FBI is going to indict that's going to surprise a lot of gamblers.

Posted by: East Bay Jay at November 12, 2015 06:03 PM (PvCxa)

249 Napolitano sat on the New Jersey bench from 1987 to 1995, becoming the state's youngest then-sitting Superior Court judge.

I don't believe a State Superior Court Judge hears evidence on speeding tickets. That would be a Municipal Court Judge

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 12, 2015 06:12 PM (No/ki)

250 The FBI once had so much interest in protecting its turf and prerogatives that it took down a sitting US president.

For years Mark Felt's role as Whitewater Deep Throat was kept secret. His motivation was to respond to Nixon's appointing an outsider to head the FBI upon J. Edgar Hoover's death, and personal revenge for being passed over for the top spot.

Good times. Good times.

Does the FBI still have the same fortitude for its independence?

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 12, 2015 06:12 PM (r1fLd)

251 But they will have to run another "historic first". Warren?

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 12, 2015 06:13 PM (E5UB0)

252 My 'experience' with the FBI was living around Boston when the Whitey Bulger stuff broke . I read the Globe every day , but only for the sports section , snark snark . As that unfolded ( sic ), more and more the sense grew these FBI guys are dirty as sin . So beginning with The Departed , the rest of the world knows that a couple of FBI guys were dirty , very dirty . And now anyone paying attention knows that it was not just the two lead mutts that were dirty, the whole office knew that the FBI was in bed with Bulger . And as bad as the betrayal is/was , what more folks need to understand is not that Whitey used FBI intel to run his rackets but that folks , sometimes very innocent folks were murdered . And not just murdered, but tortured and murdered And the entire Boston FBI office knew , they knew , what Bulger was doing with Connoly's tips . Torture and murder and the FBI, the whole Boston office , was in on it , torture and murder

Posted by: jay hoenemeyer at November 12, 2015 06:37 PM (uvj0z)

253 Jeb can fix it.

(OTOH, Jeb! has a gazillion cooler things I'll do instead.)

Posted by: Jeb! at November 12, 2015 07:04 PM (nSW/N)

254 If it was found it was Hildabeast who posted the crap swastika on the dorm bathroom the left would think it was the most hilarious prank ever.

Posted by: Skip at November 12, 2015 07:43 PM (gviQk)

255 @241 "...But consider what the FBI would be risking if they did that. They wouldn't just be setting an atrocious precedent that could embolden other malicious assholes to similarly jeopardize national security in the future. (And make it harder to prosecute them.) ..."

Um, everybody knows that although the Clintons are above the law, most other people are not.


"... The FBI would also be risking their credibility and standing with the public at a fundamental level. ..."

No shit. If they've been corrupted, which seems likely, they DON'T CARE. You might as well tell a mass murderer, "Hey, this is a Gun-Free Zone, fellah!"


"... if the FBI exonerates the obvious criminal behavior and corruption of Clinton in plain sight of God and everyone that they run the risk of turning themselves into a sick national joke. - An enduring punchline. ..."

Count on it.


" ... But the FBI will have to live with pushing an obvious lie on the American public. ... That's a tall, nasty order. And it's not clear what they would get in exchange for fulfilling it either. ..."

They get to keep their cushy govt jobs, for a start...


"...Will the upper echelon of the FBI really be willing to risk that a huge and outspoken swath of the American public would PERMANENTLY lose all confidence in them as an organization? ..."

Yes.


"Will they risk being forever dismissed as a corrupt arm of the left? ..."

Yes.


"...That'd be a dangerous game to play and to encourage others to play. ..."

It's called "doubling down", a result of corruption and desperation, as the forces of the Left feel their grip slipping.


"...Maybe they'll do it. But it still seems at least unlikely."

You're precious. Where have you been living the last 7 years?

Posted by: Optimizer at November 12, 2015 08:03 PM (/q6+P)

256 Whatever happened to Hillary's obvious bribes from foreign govts. for State Department favors? Why isn't that being investigated?

Posted by: Hillary's alcoholic depression at November 12, 2015 09:34 PM (FFIoe)

257 Totally correct: The Clintons will walk -- AGAIN.
Too big to jail.

Posted by: kevino at November 12, 2015 09:49 PM (pLgWt)

258 Scenario A. Kabuki Theatre. "We investigated; she isn't guilty of anything."

Scenario B. R wins POTUS. Indicted. Totally played to LIVs as bipartisan 'witch hunt' by MSM, Dems, and half of the Repubs.

Scenario C. D win POTUS, whether her or other. Nothing happens.

Posted by: dogfish at November 12, 2015 10:12 PM (0O2Lr)

259
Just now checking back in.

Regarding comment #255:
It's funny. Optmizer's blow-by-blow answers to my posits and questions gives me even more confidence that the FBI is not likely to be doing the Clintons any favors.

Especially the part where Optimizer says that what the corrupt members of the FBI would get out of it is that they would: "...get to keep there cushy jobs, for a start..."

That gave me serious confidence. Who is gonna fire them? Hillary Clinton as she forced to exit the presidential sweepstakes to lawyer up against an FBI prosecution? Riiiiiiight.
Oh, not Hillary? Well then, perhaps Barrack Obama would fire them in his LAST YEAR IN OFFICE - utterly destroying his legacy as the House and Sentate GOP filed impeachment charges against him for what the entire nation would see as a blatant effort to thwart a legitimate FBI investigation/prosecution.
If the FBI recommends prosecution of the criminal Hillary Clinton: THE ENTIRE COUNTRY WILL LOOK UP AND NOTICE.
It simply won't work for Obama to pretend he's as smart as Trump and say: "You're fired." Nixon tired that. And it didn't work for him. (And Nixon won two of the biggest landslide elections in US history.)

That leaves bribes. It's interesting that Optimizer didn't mention that possibility. And that's because that would require a special kind of mass-conspiracy corruption (grassy knoll JFK kind of crap) that is even more implausible.

The fact is, if the FBI corruptly refuses to recommend prosecution, it won't be for any quid pro quo. It will be because some SEVERAL somebodies at the top already really love Clinton or are already really beholden to her.
That's possible. But unlikely.
And barring one of those two unlikely scenarios: the FBI won't be getting ANYTHING out of utterly ruining its standing with the American public.

So, yeah. The FBI might end up passing on going after Clinton. - It's plausible.
But no, it's not likely.

Now isn't that precious.


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