Politico Claims Ben Carson Fabricated a Claim About Applying to West Point and Getting a Full Scholarship

Carson’s book, "Gifted Hands," the then-17 year old was introduced in 1969 to Gen. William Westmoreland, who had just ended his command of U.S. forces in Vietnam, and the two dined together. That meeting, according to Carson’s telling, was followed by a "full scholarship" to the military academy.
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West Point, however, has no record of Carson applying, much less being extended admission....
"Dr. Carson was the top ROTC student in the City of Detroit," campaign manager Barry Bennett wrote in an email to POLITICO. "In that role he was invited to meet General Westmoreland. He believes it was at a banquet. He can't remember with specificity their brief conversation but it centered around Dr. Carson's performance as ROTC City Executive Officer."
"He was introduced to folks from West Point by his ROTC Supervisors," Bennett went on. "They told him they could help him get an appointment based on his grades and performance in ROTC. He considered it but in the end did not seek admission."

My problem with this Politico piece is that they're trying to claim he's lying, even though they can't prove he's lying, per the terms of the, let's say clarification, to the story he's making now. He's saying he wasn't officially offered a scholarship; he's saying that Westmoreland told him that based upon grades and performance, he's get a full scholarship, so he took that to mean "offered a full scholarship."

Politico tries further in the article to say he's lying but they have nothing to back that up -- they have someone saying "Westmoreland couldn't guarantee acceptance, and would have to explain the whole application process."

Okay -- so? Politico is trying to say "And of course it's very unlikely he did that," but why is that unlikely?

Anyway, Carson's "offered a scholarship" claim appears to be misreporting of what happened, but, assuming that he's telling the truth about the rest of it (which is only an assumption), I don't see a big deal here. If Westmoreland told me "with your grades and ROTC performance, you'd get a full ride at West Point," I would in fact tell that story as "I was offered a full ride at West Point."

Well, maybe I wouldn't, actually. I think I'd actually say I was told I could get a full ride at West Point by General Westmoreland.

Still, I can see telling it the other way, in shorthand. (For example, if this was two sentences in a book -- I can see the events being collapsed and streamlined into the bullet point.)

I mean, I didn't know he had good grades (I didn't think about it much). I also had no idea that he was ROTC.

So... I'm kind of learning new positive information here. He was ROTC, he was therefore in a leadership position, and kinda-sorta in the military. (Kinda-sorta.)

If he's a top ROTC cadet being invited to a banquet with Westmoreland, and he's got good grades, then yeah, I kinda imagine he could get into West Point. (I would say "And he's black" but I don't know when Affirmative Action started, or if West Point employed it.)

Honestly, when I began writing this story the take was "Carson's lied" and as I've actually written what Politico has -- and what they don't have -- I've found myself increasingly feeling like the people doing the fabrication here are Politico.

This seems to me to be more a case of loose language than a lie -- assuming the other parts of Carson's claim are true. (Which I do assume, because Politico just can't seem to disprove them, and O Lordy!, are they tryin'.)

Update: Liberal (but often reasonable) reporter Dave Wiegel notes this -- three months ago, Ben Carson said he had only applied to one school.

Yet Politico claims that Carson claimed in "Gifted Hands" that he applied to West Point -- which he never claimed.

Compare the Politico lede on what Carson was claiming w/ what Carson claimed 3 months ago. pic.twitter.com/YREXhM16un
— daveweigel (@daveweigel) November 6, 2015

More: In Gifted Hands itself, Carson makes it clear that he applied to one and only one college, and it wasn't West Point.

In Gifted Hands, Carson notes that he only had the $ to apply to one school. IE, he never applied to West Point. pic.twitter.com/XWhRThgRzW
— daveweigel (@daveweigel) November 6, 2015

Politico's little narrative just blew the f*** up.

Posted by: Ace at 12:19 PM

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1 TRANS POWER!!!

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at November 06, 2015 12:21 PM (E5UB0)

2 Looks like Carson's camp has already admitted to this. Pretty rough, because these are the sorts of things that sink campaigns, especially ones built on trust/honesty of the candidate, like Carson's is.

Posted by: CanadianCommie at November 06, 2015 12:21 PM (UstKm)

3 2nd?

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at November 06, 2015 12:21 PM (E5UB0)

4 At least he didn't claim to be part Native American.

Posted by: Reality Man at November 06, 2015 12:21 PM (BNEdd)

5 4th?

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at November 06, 2015 12:22 PM (E5UB0)

6 6th?

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at November 06, 2015 12:22 PM (E5UB0)

7 [/p]no box[/p]

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 06, 2015 12:22 PM (E5UB0)

8 What's this talk of a "full scholarship"? Isn't West Point (along with the other service academies) entirely free if one is accepted, regardless of ability to pay?

Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at November 06, 2015 12:23 PM (XsOa7)

9 Feeling rather gray at the moment...

Posted by: Well Hung Chad at November 06, 2015 12:23 PM (x3LIU)

10 it was only a matter of time before the flame out

Posted by: brak at November 06, 2015 12:23 PM (xwPSp)

11 Interesting day:

Carson's toast.

Hillary's toast.

So, who will fare best against Crazy Uncle Joe?

Posted by: ouch at November 06, 2015 12:24 PM (40IrJ)

12 [/div]box?

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 06, 2015 12:24 PM (E5UB0)

13 Black lies matter

Posted by: D at November 06, 2015 12:25 PM (H1Akd)

14 New Banner being seen around town:

*Some* Black Folks' Past Histories Matter! Others . . . Not So Much!

Yeah, vetting the black guy within an inch of his life.

Never hung out with a terrorist.

Never spent time in a madrassa.

Never ate a fucking dog.

Can't possibly be qualified to be president.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 06, 2015 12:25 PM (F7nSF)

15 [/table][/tr]box?

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 06, 2015 12:25 PM (E5UB0)

16 Unforgiveable!!11!!! Now, if he stood next to the caskets of 4 dead Americans and lied to their families about who was responsible for their deaths, and then lied to the rest of the country and the world, and then had an innocent man imprisoned . . . well Politico would yawn.

Posted by: NavyMom at November 06, 2015 12:26 PM (Y4c10)

17 So all that the Carson campaign needs to do is reanimate the corpse of Westmoreland and make him available for interviews.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 06, 2015 12:26 PM (4WhSY)

18 A friend of mine has a kid who plays lacrosse, and who just started college. After 10th grade he has told by his now-coach that (barring an arrest or a grade disaster) he would be admitted to the school where he now goes. He interpreted that to mean he was offered admission, and he had a "likely letter" that said as much. Many people though he was lying, having only finished 10th grade it seemed to these self-appointed experts that he couldn't possibly be telling the truth.

His situation sound very much like Ben Carson's, except to say it seems having Gen. Westmoreland in your side of the facts makes Carson's story even more plausible.

My friends kid is loving college by the way, and thinks his coach is teh awesome. Fuck Politico; it's the Democrat version of National Enquirer, with weaker reporting.

Posted by: MTF at November 06, 2015 12:27 PM (TxJGV)

19 So Politico says the meeting couldn't have happened when Carson says it did, but they found another event in Detroit, attended by Westmoreland that could be the one Carson is describing.

Sounds to me Carson's story is possible. Unlike Obama's parents meeting on the Selma bridge, or Hillary being named after Sir Edmund Hillary before he became famous.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 06, 2015 12:27 PM (jhqr1)

20 holy crap !!!!!!

thats it

its over

whos next......

Posted by: alec at November 06, 2015 12:27 PM (ShAq/)

21 >>> What's this talk of a "full scholarship"? Isn't West Point (along with the other service academies) entirely free if one is accepted, regardless of ability to pay?

i believe so. But this is wording issue. You're beating him up for saying "full scholarship to West Point," as opposed to "could have gotten into West Point, which would have brought with it, perforce, a full scholarship."

Posted by: ace at November 06, 2015 12:27 PM (dciA+)

22 My guess is its more misunderstanding than lie, but whatever. Doesn't seem terribly damaging to the man (this smacks of a Trump operation, to me), but who knows? Most of Carson's appeal is that he seems to be a decent, honest man and it could damage that feeling.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 06, 2015 12:27 PM (39g3+)

23 It's almost as if this "POLITICO" outfit isn't quite on the up-and-up. A bit shady and dishonest, even.

Posted by: Stu-22 at November 06, 2015 12:27 PM (RMOpc)

24 8:"Isn't West Point (along with the other service academies) entirely free if one is accepted, regardless of ability to pay?"

Yup. It's pretty much like four years of basic with classes thrown in. And extra servings of hazing as well.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 06, 2015 12:28 PM (z/vX9)

25 And then there's Obama, who went around Harvard telling everyone he was born in Kenya and an Indonesian.

And it's just horrible to try to vet his grades.

Pointing out the double standards is totally useless now. The only thing to do is just ignore their stupid smear articles and treat the press like the goddamn liars they are.

It is like listening to Axis radio broadcasts at this point. The only reason they tell you anything is to gain an advantage over you. Don't listen to them.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 06, 2015 12:28 PM (6/r4t)

26 John Sununu took on Alison Camerota on CNN this morning about CNN going after Carson.

I loved when he got in a dig about how no one in the media questioned ANYTHING Obama wrote in his two books.

Not even the "composite" girlfriends.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 06, 2015 12:28 PM (FsuaD)

27 I like all the digging they did with his grade school friends to see if he ever actually got in that fight. Really chasing the big stories.

Posted by: brak at November 06, 2015 12:29 PM (xwPSp)

28 If Dr. Carson wanted to lie with no consequences, why didn't he just run as a Democrat? Foolish man...

Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at November 06, 2015 12:30 PM (Dwehj)

29 The double standard finds its mark again.

Posted by: PJ at November 06, 2015 12:30 PM (cHuNI)

30 What's this talk of a "full scholarship"? Isn't West Point (along with the other service academies) entirely free if one is accepted, regardless of ability to pay?

If you receive an appointment to West Point (or any other US Military Academy), you don't pay to be there.

It's analogous to a scholarship.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 06, 2015 12:30 PM (jhqr1)

31 While I agree that compared to the outrageous lies, hypocrisy, corruption, and foul behavior of Democrats this is incredibly minor, that's not the standard I want to hold presidential candidates to. I don't want to vote for the guy that's not as godawful as humanly possible, I want to vote for the guy that's the best we can get for the job.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 06, 2015 12:30 PM (39g3+)

32 Tuition, room and board is 'free' at West Point and the other service academies. Of course the student repays the obligation created by taking advantage of that 'free' tuition by fulfilling a postgraduate service obligation.

I can see where LIVs might equate that with a scholarship, but seems like morons ought to know better.

Posted by: George Tirebiter at November 06, 2015 12:30 PM (/zyrl)

33 [blockquote] testing testing [/blockquote] test test

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 06, 2015 12:30 PM (E5UB0)

34 Politico is making shit up?

The hell you say!

Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool at November 06, 2015 12:30 PM (VNgld)

35 Politico sure seems obsessed with Candidates telling the truth, unless that candidate is Hillary.

Posted by: maddogg at November 06, 2015 12:30 PM (xWW96)

36 test test

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 06, 2015 12:31 PM (E5UB0)

37 Politico is a more respectable version of Vox. Which doesn't say much.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 06, 2015 12:31 PM (S+N7W)

38
I would say "And he's black"

The reason Politico must tear him down.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 06, 2015 12:31 PM (ODxAs)

39 Politico Fabricates Claim About Carson

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at November 06, 2015 12:31 PM (nSj9w)

40 vetting:
1 - going through a person's background with a microscope, provided that the person is a Republican, especially a conservative, super-especially a black conservative, who might take the presidency from the MSM's favorite old cackling crone;

2 - taking the word of Barack Obama at face value and throwing accusations of racism at anyone who says something insanely offensive like 'but, what about..?"

Posted by: Mallflour at November 06, 2015 12:31 PM (qSIlh)

41 Ok, so there's no way we can fix a missing blockquote end tag.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at November 06, 2015 12:31 PM (E5UB0)

42 I tried to join the Marines but they said no girls allowed

Posted by: Hillary! at November 06, 2015 12:32 PM (xwPSp)

43 I wan't intending on voting for Ben Carson, but this seems like a pretty weak scandal, especially considering it was something like 40 years ago.

Somebody probably said they could have gotten him in with a full scholarship and he declined. Not an incredible story really. It's not like he was making up some heroic war tale like John Kerry about his military service.

Posted by: Coolio at November 06, 2015 12:32 PM (mCgxQ)

44 The backstory Politico was thinking but was afraid to come right out and say was "why would they offer a kid like Carson admission to West Point? He's black, after all."

Racist fucks. I hear white hoods are the "in thing" in fashionable D.C. writer circles.

Posted by: MTF at November 06, 2015 12:32 PM (TxJGV)

45 Politico is a fag.

Posted by: Weasel at November 06, 2015 12:32 PM (6xtq3)

46 Some people have pointed this out, but West Point doesn't charge tuition. I don't know what a scholarship would mean in that context.

Posted by: Boone at November 06, 2015 12:32 PM (AGg6N)

47 Unrelated to these basic issues of competence and journalism-how-she-is-practice, clearly, is the sidebar ad I'm getting here for the NYT. Offering the "World's Best Reporting". *breath* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: Sporkatus at November 06, 2015 12:32 PM (HtLSE)

48 I welcome this kind of thing though: all candidates should be put through a brutal wringer. Vet them all as savagely and meticulously as possible. These guys are applying for the toughest, most powerful job on the planet; put 'em under the microscope.

I just wish they'd do it to all of them, not just one party.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 06, 2015 12:32 PM (39g3+)

49 37 Politico is a more respectable version of Vox. Which doesn't say much.
Posted by: Ian S. at November 06, 2015 12:31 PM (S+N7W)

They are working on that "more respectable than Vox" defect, though.

Posted by: maddogg at November 06, 2015 12:32 PM (xWW96)

50 The only army LIVs (and Politico readers) belong to is the Free Shit Army

Posted by: George Tirebiter at November 06, 2015 12:33 PM (/zyrl)

51 The proper answer to this sort of question is, "In the words of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, at this point what difference does it make?"

I wish somone had the gonads to ship the Bengazi family members to every single campaign stop of Harridan Clinton. Just let 'em try to get in the meeting. And when they aren't admitted, have a press conference outside that they're waiting for her to answer their questions.

Posted by: vivi at November 06, 2015 12:33 PM (11H2y)

52 I posted this in the Star Wars thread.

This is such a non-issue. I was recruited to play football at West Point. The recruiter told me directly "we have spoken with your congressman, they love to get their pictures in the paper giving appointments to local athletes. All you have to do is go through the process of applying." To me that was an offer. I turned him down because I'm an idiot and 17 year old Timon didn't want to join the freakin' army. There is no record of it but I was definitely offered. Probably the same thing for him. I hate the Fucking MSM. Did they dig this deeply into the Hildabeast claiming that she tried to enlist in the Marine Corp?...

Posted by: Timon at November 06, 2015 12:33 PM (ZDJwC)

53 Even if he lied, this kind of lie is not likely to hurt him. These types of lies hurt people who have used such stories to embellish a relatively weak set of accomplishments. "Look at how impressive I am because of this." The hurt people who have a dearth of real, other accomplishments. Carson does not. His record of accomplishments that would impressive most people is set.

Posted by: SH at November 06, 2015 12:33 PM (gmeXX)

54 remember how Billy Jeff had five explanations about how he avoided being drafted before the folks at the MSM decided the voters were tired of hearing about it?

Posted by: Mallflour at November 06, 2015 12:33 PM (qSIlh)

55 Why does Politico hate black people?

Posted by: Weasel at November 06, 2015 12:34 PM (6xtq3)

56 Before the last election, Beck (I know!) was reading excerpts from Barry's stupid book, "Dreams From My Father."

Jugears claims his Marxist sperm donor was buried in a U. S. flag-draped coffin.

Like hell.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 06, 2015 12:34 PM (FsuaD)

57 I hear Hillary took snipe fire and was awarded Congressional Medal of Honor.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 06, 2015 12:34 PM (Z58Xa)

58 Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 06, 2015 12:28 PM

^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^

There was a time when "admissions" -- or weasel-worded "explanations" of the type we're seeing with Carson -- would have led me to call for a candidate to go the hell home and stop wasting the public's time.

That was before Choom Boy and Shrillery.

All I really want now is a massive purge of both national-level politicians and the media who write about them.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 06, 2015 12:34 PM (OSULx)

59 I tried to join the Marines but they said no girls allowed
Posted by: Hillary!

No, they said "No gargoyles allowed."

Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 06, 2015 12:34 PM (4WhSY)

60 All I would say if I was Cardon is, Well that's interesting, let me tell you about frank Marshall Davis and his radical tutelage of the current president and then I will expound on obamas connections to domestic terrorists bill ayers and Bernadine dorne and then I would finish up with Jerkmiah wright and father felger and Kalidi.

I would also talk about all of the "composites" that the SCOAMF litters in his Bill Ayers written books.

If I were Ben I would literally not talk about anything else when asked about my boyhood.

Fuck this shit, FUCK THEIR SHIT UP BEN!!

Posted by: Kreplach at November 06, 2015 12:34 PM (k7nLS)

61 46
Some people have pointed this out, but West Point doesn't charge tuition. I don't know what a scholarship would mean in that context.

Posted by: Boone at November 06, 2015 12:32 PM (AGg6N)

Loose language, as Ace notes. Admission is the scholarship. You get a stipend as well.

http://www.usma.edu/admissions/SitePages/FAQ_Life.aspx

Posted by: rebel flounder at November 06, 2015 12:35 PM (3dOE/)

62 Say didn't that brave senator Blumenthal spend the most prolific years of his life in Viet Nam?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 06, 2015 12:35 PM (Z58Xa)

63 Want some relish on the nothingburger?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 06, 2015 12:35 PM (oKE6c)

64 I can't wait till David Brock points out that when Carson was doing pediatric brain surgery, there were other people in the operating room helping him. You know, sort of the medical equivalent of "you didn't build that".

Posted by: Mallflower at November 06, 2015 12:35 PM (qSIlh)

65 off topic but it needs saying:

The Telegraph: Women are either bisexual or gay but 'never straight'

Alternate, factual headline: naked beautiful women are just really hot no matter who you are.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 06, 2015 12:35 PM (39g3+)

66 I never understood the "well the Ds lie so our candidates can lie too" argument. I don't want to vote for a liar; and I want to be able to say Ds are liars (they are, all of them) without that being negated by "well the guy you support lies too!" I mean, where does that get us? But I've learned after almost 50 years that my political instincts are nearly worthless, so take this for what it's worth.

Posted by: And then there were 14 at November 06, 2015 12:35 PM (Y8P5w)

67 Hey, how about that anti-American shit fucker, barack hussein obama?

Posted by: Chris M at November 06, 2015 12:36 PM (k3w9p)

68 I guarantee that you will hear more about this "lie" on the MSM the next year than you will hear about Hillary's many, many actual scandals.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 06, 2015 12:36 PM (wtvvX)

69 55
Why does Politico hate black people?

Posted by: Weasel at November 06, 2015 12:34 PM (6xtq3)

I would love for this to blow back on Politico.

Posted by: rebel flounder at November 06, 2015 12:36 PM (3dOE/)

70 4 At least he didn't claim to be part Native American.

Posted by: Reality Man at November 06, 2015 12:21 PM (BNEdd)

Now had he been a white woman that would have been acceptable.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 06, 2015 12:36 PM (Z58Xa)

71 "West Point, however, has no record of Carson applying, much less being extended admission...."

What? It was seared - seared, I tell you - into his memory.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 06, 2015 12:36 PM (oKE6c)

72
But no one questions Hillary's tale of danger, dodging sniper fire with her daughter in tow in the Balkans...

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at November 06, 2015 12:36 PM (1hM1d)

73 62
Say didn't that brave senator Blumenthal spend the most prolific years of his life in Viet Nam?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 06, 2015 12:35 PM (Z58Xa)

Yep. Collecting teddy bears. And it's SEARED in his mind.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 06, 2015 12:36 PM (FsuaD)

74 Yeah a Brain Surgeon has to lie about college admissions?

Posted by: DaveA at November 06, 2015 12:37 PM (DL2i+)

75 Medias been digging in His trash.... We all know every Candidate with an R after their name will be dragged through the mud... meanwhile Hillary! gets a pass...

Posted by: donna at November 06, 2015 12:37 PM (/dSsq)

76 re 59: I thought Hillarity claimed she wanted to be an astronaut but was told it was men only. Maybe they thought her hips were too big to get through the door of the capsule. Would have been funny it she was on one of the flights to the Moon and they accidentally left her there.

Posted by: Mallflower at November 06, 2015 12:37 PM (qSIlh)

77 Is this washed up has-been, former Surgeon actually even black?

Posted by: Rachel Dolezal, at November 06, 2015 12:37 PM (ptqRm)

78 Obama's first publisher asked him for a short bio to go along with his book. He actually wrote that he was born in Kenya. That bio stayed on the publisher's website for 17 years until about two weeks before he ran for president.
Funny, I never saw that covered by Poltico or really anyone else in the MSM. But the crazy "Birthers" were covered.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at November 06, 2015 12:37 PM (nSj9w)

79 I don't want to vote for a liar

You don't have to. They're hand-picked for you.

Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at November 06, 2015 12:37 PM (Dwehj)

80 No, they said "No gargoyles allowed."
Posted by: Blanco Basura at November 06, 2015 12:34 PM (4WhSY

Human tanks are not allowed.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 06, 2015 12:38 PM (Z58Xa)

81 I'm not clear as yet as whether this is an actual "lie" or a disagreement over a possibly sloppy characterization.

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 06, 2015 12:38 PM (2Ojst)

82 Still incomprehensible 0bama was never vetted and has been allowed to keep personal records under lock and key.

Blame the media - and blame the GOPe.

Posted by: ouch at November 06, 2015 12:38 PM (40IrJ)

83 Listen up you pantywaisted fuckheads, if my pal Westmoreland says you in, then make no bones about it son, you are fucking "in".

Posted by: Cave Johnson at November 06, 2015 12:38 PM (VNgld)

84 Carson couldn't have been offered a scholarship to West Point. He was serving in 'Nam with Richard Blumenthal at the time.

Posted by: Cygnus at November 06, 2015 12:38 PM (fdavN)

85 So who leaked it? Jeb! Trump? Cankles?

Posted by: rebel flounder at November 06, 2015 12:38 PM (3dOE/)

86 Next up for the MFM:

Carson isn't "authentically black."

I'd put money on it.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 06, 2015 12:38 PM (FsuaD)

87 Maybe Carson could ask them how well they fact checked Obama's book - maybe say he would just ask to be held to the same vetting standards they applied to Obama.

Posted by: vivi at November 06, 2015 12:38 PM (11H2y)

88 I never understood the "well the Ds lie so our candidates can lie too" argument.

Yeah I agree. I get it: inconsistent coverage, and the other guys are filth so why focus on this, but bad is bad even if the other side is far worse.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 06, 2015 12:39 PM (39g3+)

89 What I took from this is the same as ace, Carson was in ROTC and in a leadership role. That only helps him for me.

Meh.

Posted by: Lea at November 06, 2015 12:39 PM (lIU4e)

90 82 Still incomprehensible 0bama was never vetted and has been allowed to keep personal records under lock and key.

One of the Candidates brought that up to CNN and they claimed they did Vet obama.... Sure they did...

Posted by: donna at November 06, 2015 12:39 PM (/dSsq)

91 Let me know when they investigate Hillary's claims that she tried to join the marines or NASA, or whichever supposed "No Girls Allowed" club she's telling the same story about this week.

Posted by: buzzion at November 06, 2015 12:39 PM (zt+N6)

92 his campaign admitted that its false .THATS THE ISSUE all the talk about scholarships is pointless . HE( carson ) SAYS ITS FALSE they win ... game over... he is the honest guy .. thats the draw ... now he is just another lying douchebag .... so whatever he says makes no difference . just like obama

Posted by: alec at November 06, 2015 12:39 PM (ShAq/)

93 Even if he did deliberately lie it's held for his whole career. HRC can't get thru a paragraph before somebody knows she's lying again.

Posted by: DaveA at November 06, 2015 12:39 PM (DL2i+)

94 Yeah a Brain Surgeon has to lie about college admissions? Posted by: DaveA at November 06, 2015 12:37 PM

I'll have you know he's fully accredited by the University of Phoenix Online Brain Surgery Program!

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 06, 2015 12:39 PM (OSULx)

95 So this is what 'vetting' is? Seems strange.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at November 06, 2015 12:40 PM (fWAjv)

96 I never understood the "well the Ds lie so our candidates can lie too" argument. I don't want to vote for a liar; and I want to be able to say Ds are liars (they are, all of them) without that being negated by "well the guy you support lies too!" I mean, where does that get us? But I've learned after almost 50 years that my political instincts are nearly worthless, so take this for what it's worth.
Posted by: And then there were 14

_____________________

Fine, but if that's the standard, every word that comes out of Donald Trump's mouth is a lie.

The guy can't keep his story straight even in a single sitting.

From "some young kid tweeted that, not me", to "I NEVER wanted Casinos in Florida" to "I NEVER criticized Mark Zuckerberg, etc, etc,

Carson was probably wooed from somebody at West Point and in 40 years, the details were pretty hazy.

Posted by: Coolio at November 06, 2015 12:40 PM (mCgxQ)

97 re 65: or maybe women become wide eyed when looking at other women's fancy make up, hair, clothes, etc. Hell, I get wide eyed watching Kix Brooks steakhouse show but that doesn't make me a boneless ribeye, does it?

Posted by: Mallflower at November 06, 2015 12:40 PM (qSIlh)

98 78
Obama's first publisher asked him for a short bio to go along with his
book. He actually wrote that he was born in Kenya. That bio stayed on
the publisher's website for 17 years until about two weeks before he ran
for president.

Funny, I never saw that covered by Poltico or really anyone else in the MSM. But the crazy "Birthers" were covered.

THIS^^^^^

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 06, 2015 12:41 PM (FsuaD)

99 Remember when Politico was all over Obama for his lies. Oh, never mind.

http://nation.foxnews.com/dreams-my-father/2012/06/18/38-falsehoods-found-obama-bio

Posted by: Hatchet at November 06, 2015 12:41 PM (zOBiw)

100 66 I never understood the "well the Ds lie so our candidates can lie too" argument. I don't want to vote for a liar; and I want to be able to say Ds are liars (they are, all of them) without that being negated by "well the guy you support lies too!" I mean, where does that get us? But I've learned after almost 50 years that my political instincts are nearly worthless, so take this for what it's worth.
Posted by: And then there were 14 at November 06, 2015 12:35 PM (Y8P5w)

Ignore claims from the leftwing media or the GOP establishment. They don't care about electing honest people. They have an agenda and anything they tell you is to further it.

Just ignore them.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 06, 2015 12:41 PM (n6Omg)

101 Hillary did this with the Marine Corps thing, too.

I have a feeling Ben embellished his youth, too.

It just doesn't match with his personality to be stabby.

To be honest, Rubio is looking better and better.

(Sorry anti-immigration guys, I'd love to throw you a bone, but...)

Posted by: Harun at November 06, 2015 12:41 PM (UBBWX)

102 I'm not clear as yet as whether this is an actual "lie" or a disagreement over a possibly sloppy characterization.

Oh, I'm sure its just recollection and possibly accurate; they wouldn't necessarily have records.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 06, 2015 12:41 PM (39g3+)

103 One of the Candidates brought that up to CNN and they claimed they did Vet obama.... Sure they did...

Posted by: donna at November 06, 2015 12:39 PM

You misunderstand. Someone from CNN TOOK Choom Boy to the Vet. Bo needed his shots....

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 06, 2015 12:41 PM (OSULx)

104 "Next up for the MFM:

Carson isn't "authentically black."

I'd put money on it."

Fcukers always trying to act all black and shit.

Posted by: Shaun King at November 06, 2015 12:41 PM (ptqRm)

105
Fcukers always trying to act all black and shit.
Posted by: Shaun King at November 06, 2015 12:41 PM (ptqRm)

Word up to your mother, home brother!

*high fives*
*misses*

Posted by: Rachel Dolezal at November 06, 2015 12:42 PM (2Ojst)

106
To be honest, Rubio is looking better and better.

You must have missed the 4 hit pieces on Rubio today.... None of the Republican nominees are going to avoid the wrath of the media...

Posted by: donna at November 06, 2015 12:42 PM (/dSsq)

107 TV Ad: "We guarantee the best prices in town, regardless of credit!"
Ben Carson: "They offered me the best prices, despite some credit issues, but in the end I purchased the product elsewhere."
Politico: "There is no record that Carson ever attempted to purchase a product from said company."

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at November 06, 2015 12:43 PM (VAsIq)

108 If Carson were a wolf in sheep's clothing, they'd be giving him positive press.

Like, say, that nice young man from Florida with the dry mouth.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 06, 2015 12:43 PM (n6Omg)

109 I never understood the "well the Ds lie so our candidates can lie too" argument.

We don't know Carson lied. We know his retelling isn't exactly correct, but there are reasonable explanations for the incorrect parts.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 06, 2015 12:43 PM (jhqr1)

110 *high fives*

*misses*

lol

Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at November 06, 2015 12:43 PM (Dwehj)

111 OMFG these people are so awful!!!

They never vetted anything about Obama's documented history, nor did they track down anything on all of the gaps or gray areas (he say's he's Kenyan for his author bio, travels to Pakistan when Americans couldn't, transcripts yadda yadda yadda).

I don't care about Ben Carson in high school, nor any of the other candidates lives back then. This is not relevant unless they were committing felonies.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 06, 2015 12:43 PM (NOIQH)

112 Today on the Hugh Hewitt show we'll spend three hours getting to the bottom of Ben Carson's lies with the impartial, non-partisan truth-tellers of Politico. We will NOT be taking calls from any nutters!

Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at November 06, 2015 12:43 PM (YZcNj)

113 "Mrs Clinton, how did those legal documents that were subpoenaed two years ago suddenly turn up in the First Family's living quarters?"

"Well, maybe the workmen found them and left them there."

Well said, Mrs Clinton. And that's it from me, Dan Rather, with his head in the sand.

Posted by: Mallflower at November 06, 2015 12:43 PM (qSIlh)

114 You must have missed the 4 hit pieces on Rubio today.... None of the Republican nominees are going to avoid the wrath of the media...

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No but that's ok. Better these things come out now. This isn't a big deal to me, but it is important to see how Carson and his team handle this.

Posted by: SH at November 06, 2015 12:44 PM (gmeXX)

115 or maybe women become wide eyed when looking at other women's fancy make up, hair, clothes, etc.

My guess is honestly that women are reminded of sex with a guy when they see naked women; holding women and men to exactly the same standards of reaction and behavior is idiotic and simplistic.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 06, 2015 12:44 PM (39g3+)

116 "I don't know what a scholarship would mean in that context."

Basically just acceptance. No tuition or scholarships but an expected term of service in the Army as an officer upon completion. The words may be mangled but this is not a scandal.

The MSM are trying to build a theme of Carson as a story-teller.

Posted by: D.C. Establishment at November 06, 2015 12:44 PM (ZgQOx)

117 Is he really a guy or is he making that up, too?

Torches and Pitchforks!!!

Posted by: Weasel at November 06, 2015 12:44 PM (6xtq3)

118
No but that's ok. Better these things come out now. This isn't a big deal to me, but it is important to see how Carson and his team handle this.

Agreed...

Posted by: donna at November 06, 2015 12:44 PM (/dSsq)

119
8 What's this talk of a "full scholarship"? Isn't West Point (along with the other service academies) entirely free if one is accepted, regardless of ability to pay?

No, not really. As I recall, it is a 6 year commitment after graduation to serve in the Army. If you fail to graduate, you have to pay the tuition incurred. I've been told that at the Naval Academy you may enlist to work of that debt. Dunno if West Point is the same.

On the other hand, you're not eye-ball deep in debt after graduation.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at November 06, 2015 12:44 PM (1hM1d)

120 Gosh, good thing we don't have any, say, Senators who have lied about military service in Viet Nam, huh?

Or VP who have plagiarized on several occasions.

Or former presidents who committed perjury.

Nope, no tolerance liars At ALL!!!!!

Posted by: Lizzy at November 06, 2015 12:45 PM (NOIQH)

121 Fcuk, get away, Establishment!

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 06, 2015 12:46 PM (ZgQOx)

122 Didn't Hillary's vagina prevent her from becoming a Marine?

Posted by: Fritz at November 06, 2015 12:46 PM (UzPAd)

123
I would say "And he's black"

The reason Politico must tear him down.

Those colored boys aren't going to stay on the plantation by themselves, you know.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 06, 2015 12:46 PM (X6fMO)

124 The big news of the day is that Ace got a post in before 12:30.

Posted by: SH at November 06, 2015 12:47 PM (gmeXX)

125 Politifact's rating if Carson were a Democrat:
"Fake but accurate."

Politifact's rating since Carson is a Republican:
"4 pinocchios with pants on fire."

Also, I think we should dig up what Politico had to say about then-candidate Obama's memoirs back when he was running in 08.

Posted by: joe at November 06, 2015 12:47 PM (KUaJL)

126 The proper way to handle this kind of thing is to go at it straight, get it over with, and move on. "Yep, next question?" Arguing with it, denying it, clarifying, explaining, etc all just keeps it in the public eye longer, and results in more analysis, examination, writing, etc that drags it out longer and longer. Even if it wasn't a lie, saying "yeah that didn't happen" makes it go away faster. In a week nobody will even remember this.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 06, 2015 12:47 PM (39g3+)

127 Journalistic Vetting of Candidates Rule 1: A Republican is always held to the highest standard.

Journalistic Vetting of Candidates Rule 2: Democrats have no standards so that's the standard we hold them to.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at November 06, 2015 12:47 PM (RD7QR)

128 "Say didn't that brave senator Blumenthal spend the most prolific years of his life in Viet Nam?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 06, 2015 12:35 PM (Z58Xa)"

He was going on dangerous bombing raids with Tom Harkin.

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 06, 2015 12:47 PM (OD2ni)

129 Ben's Campaign has admitted that his story is false.

Why do folks always think that somehow stuff they fudged won't get found out.

He could've got ahead of this months ago. It would be old news.

Now it makes him look like a liar and he definitely showed a lack of discernment as to the scrutiny he would face.

Definitely a tyro move.

How much it will hurt him? We'll have to see.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 06, 2015 12:47 PM (Xo1Rt)

130 so is all this worse than holding a kid down and giving him a haircut? Our round table, Cokie Williams, Andrea Mitchell, Rachel Madcow and I, George Stephanopolis, will discuss this after the commercial, but first... does being the most influential woman in history mean that Hillary is a an easy shoo in for the White House or just a shoo in? Cokie..?

Posted by: Mallflower at November 06, 2015 12:47 PM (qSIlh)

131 124
The big news of the day is that Ace got a post in before 12:30.

Posted by: SH at November 06, 2015 12:47 PM (gmeXX)

He's excited about the weekend hobo hunt.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 06, 2015 12:48 PM (FsuaD)

132 Didn't Hillary's vagina prevent her from becoming a Marine?

Posted by: Fritz

And her vagina dentata prevented her from being a Marine base hooker.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at November 06, 2015 12:48 PM (VAsIq)

133 Maybe this has already been said above, if so, sorry.

There is no tuition at West Point. If you are accepted you attend 'free of charge'. Everyone. You agree to serve in the Army after graduation.

Thus there would be no scholarships.

Posted by: Trump Taj Mahal at November 06, 2015 12:48 PM (6nGV8)

134 Democrats have "loose language" Republican's lie.

To lazy to list all of Hillary's loose language.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 06, 2015 12:48 PM (jJRIy)

135 Ben's Campaign has admitted that his story is false.

They did? Completely false?

Posted by: donna at November 06, 2015 12:48 PM (/dSsq)

136 The proper way to handle this kind of thing is to go at it straight, get it over with, and move on. "Yep, next question?" Arguing with it, denying it, clarifying, explaining, etc all just keeps it in the public eye longer, and results in more analysis, examination, writing, etc that drags it out longer and longer. Even if it wasn't a lie, saying "yeah that didn't happen" makes it go away faster. In a week nobody will even remember this.

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I agree 100%. No upside for his campaign in trying to explain this away. Just admit its a lie and move on.

Posted by: SH at November 06, 2015 12:48 PM (gmeXX)

137 128 "Say didn't that brave senator Blumenthal spend the most prolific years of his life in Viet Nam?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 06, 2015 12:35 PM (Z58Xa)"

He was going on dangerous bombing raids with Tom Harkin.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 06, 2015 12:47 PM (OD2ni)

There I was. In the shit. Mekong Delta hotter than hell. Knee-deep in spent brass and the bodies of dead Charlie. All I had left was the lid to a C-rat and the will to survive.

Posted by: Brian Williams at November 06, 2015 12:49 PM (2Ojst)

138 his campaign admitted that its false

False.
That's Politico's characterization of the email they received from Carson's campaign manager Barry Bennett.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 06, 2015 12:49 PM (jhqr1)

139 I remember when Wise Man would take me into teepee to smoke peace pipe, say to me, "Use tales of our people to get preferential admission to law school and faculty appointments."

Strange are the ways of the white man.

Posted by: The Media Yawns at November 06, 2015 12:49 PM (xwPSp)

140 >>He was going on dangerous bombing raids with Tom Harkin.

Or secret CIA missions with Kerry and his hat.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 06, 2015 12:49 PM (NOIQH)

141 Everything we know about Ben Carson, and what Ben Carson said is what we were told by the news media.

Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 06, 2015 12:50 PM (OmVhU)

142 I'm sure Dr. Ben Carson would have been accepted into the USMA if he had applied.

Why this bullshit word parsing by the MSM?

Posted by: Trump Taj Mahal at November 06, 2015 12:50 PM (6nGV8)

143 Hot Gas has a post up that this is indeed a lie and that Carson's campaign has admitted as much.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 06, 2015 12:50 PM (4ErVI)

144 Yeah. It's on Drudge.

Apparently he talked to Westmoreland, that's true, but he didn't file an app. He decided on his own to not apply.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 06, 2015 12:50 PM (Xo1Rt)

145 I was denied admission to West Point because I have the largest penis known to mankind.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at November 06, 2015 12:50 PM (u5gzz)

146 When he wrote the book, he probably never thought he would run for POTUS and be a serious contender.

Posted by: Baldy at November 06, 2015 12:51 PM (sEXjW)

147 My reaction? BFD.

Even if the very worst construction is placed upon the story, BFD.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 06, 2015 12:52 PM (oKE6c)

148 Gen. Westmoreland: "You'd easily get in at West Point! I guaran-damn-tee it."

Carson. "Thanks!" *ponders* "Y'know, I think I'm going to go a different route and become a world-renowned brain surgeon instead."

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at November 06, 2015 12:52 PM (VAsIq)

149 I've found myself increasingly feeling like the people doing the fabrication here are Politico.

Posted by: Ace at 12:19 PM
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Not entirely unexpected, is it? I would have been surprised if Dr Carson turned out to be a liar. He doesnt seem the type.

But the obvious question here is: is Dr Carson capable of handling this kind of hostile media environment? Our nominee will find himself in a crossfire of smears and slander, both from the media and the Clinton campaign. I dont think he is up to it.

Posted by: Begonia at November 06, 2015 12:52 PM (7siX+)

150 Quick, run away from Carson! Denounce! Denounce!

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 06, 2015 12:53 PM (n6Omg)

151 The the AoSHQ Concern Window open yet? Seems like there is a line growing.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 06, 2015 12:53 PM (rSTkb)

152 You could make a case of this if Carson claimed he had the grades to get into West Point and then ended up going to Southern Connecticut State. If he had the grades needed to get into Yale as a black man, then he had the grades to get into any school in the country.

Contrast this with Obama (who had Ivy League aspirations) but obviously didn't even have the grades (with affirmative action firmly in play) coming out of high school to get into an Ivy League school, or else he would have gone to one straight out of high school.

Posted by: chinadeke at November 06, 2015 12:53 PM (gJAok)

153 Posted by: alec
Posted by: Harun
Seems...concerny in here.

Posted by: Sporkatus at November 06, 2015 12:53 PM (HtLSE)

154 Sadly, like Herman Cane, Carson is not ready for the Big Top. Time to start "Willowing" out Carson and Trump and get serious.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 06, 2015 12:53 PM (jJRIy)

155 Drudge must be buying red pixels by the ton today.

Hope he recycles.

Posted by: Shaun King at November 06, 2015 12:54 PM (ptqRm)

156 I can vouch for Ben Carson's meeting with Westmoreland. I'd just returned from a LRP in Nam, and was giving Westie some tips on special forces tactics when Ben showed up.

Posted by: Brian Williams at November 06, 2015 12:54 PM (oKE6c)

157 But that Hillary!, boy, those are some awesome lies she's telling!

- MSM

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 06, 2015 12:54 PM (XUKZU)

158 Well you have to be nominated by your Senator.

Could Westmoreland--make that happen?

Probably.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 06, 2015 12:54 PM (mcm0N)

159 Release the Khalidi tapes.
Vetting...
*pfft*

Posted by: Ex NYC Peasant at November 06, 2015 12:54 PM (k8tEg)

160 Every time Hillary discharged a code red, another marine died.

Posted by: Fritz at November 06, 2015 12:54 PM (UzPAd)

161 Sadly, like Herman Cane, Carson is not ready for the Big Top. Time to start "Willowing" out Carson and Trump and get serious.
Posted by: Nip Sip at November 06, 2015 12:53 PM (jJRIy)

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Are you saying that because of this "lie" or just in general?

Posted by: SH at November 06, 2015 12:54 PM (gmeXX)

162 Why are we even concerned with this? Two hard facts:

NO proglodyte Democrat will EVER vote for a CONSERVATIVE black man, period.

Many independents, and, let's face it, a lot of Republicans and Democrats, are not going to vote for a black male President after Barack Obama's two-term example.

We have seen the last black male President in our lifetimes.

That being said, how many dead Americans did Carson lie about?

Posted by: richard mcenroe at November 06, 2015 12:54 PM (Kucy5)

163 I agree 100%. No upside for his campaign in trying to explain this away. Just admit its a lie and move on.
Posted by: SH

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I disagree, if the entire thing was completely fabricated, that's a much bigger issue than something along the lines of what Ace was saying in the header where say he was told he would be a shoo in and being part of ROTC, top of his class etc. It's actually very believable that he was told that in an effort to recruit him.

If Carson just made this whole thing up out of thin air, you've got a real fabulist where lots of other shoes are going to drop

Posted by: Coolio at November 06, 2015 12:54 PM (mCgxQ)

164 >>Apparently he talked to Westmoreland, that's true, but he didn't file an app. He decided on his own to not apply.

OMG, an indecisive teenager? Sketchy memory of said decision decades later?

I don't care.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 06, 2015 12:55 PM (NOIQH)

165 Sadly, like Herman Cane, Carson is not ready for the Big Top. Time to start "Willowing" out Carson and Trump and get serious.

Posted by: Nip Sip

Nein nein nein!

Posted by: Herman Cain at November 06, 2015 12:55 PM (VAsIq)

166 So they dug up Westmoreland's schedule for this.

Khalidi tape....nope
School records...nope
Medical records...nope
Childhood friends...nope
Birthplace...nope
and on and on and on

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at November 06, 2015 12:55 PM (fWAjv)

167 You can literally *smell* the concern on this thread.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 06, 2015 12:55 PM (FsuaD)

168 154 Sadly, like Herman Cane, Carson is not ready for the Big Top. Time to start "Willowing" out Carson and Trump and get serious.

Speak for yourself. I will not vote for Rubio or Cruz.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 06, 2015 12:55 PM (n6Omg)

169 100% stupid. There is no lie here. Maybe Carson's recollection is not perfect, but he was a kid. To his ears, it sounded as if he was being offered a scholarship (or was told he likely would qualify based on his background and performance) if he wanted to apply.

This is just plain dumb.

Posted by: K-E at November 06, 2015 12:56 PM (xSQMJ)

170 I had a similar experience with West Point. In 1977, the summer before my senior year in HS, my parents and I visited West Point. I had just aced my PSAT's (If I remember correctly, one point less than a perfect score) and received an invite from there. Since I was enrolled in what was considered one of the worst school districts in the country at the time (Dayton, OH), they were especially eager for me to apply. We had a meeting with a full bird Colonel in his gorgeous, wood paneled office and then were given a tour of the campus by one of the cadets. The Col. assured me that an appointment (or scholarship to those nitwits at Politico) was mine for the taking. This is how West Point does/did work. Everybody is on a "full scholarship" and the cadets actually draw a stipend.

Ultimately, like Carson, I decided to pass.

It cracks me up how the liberal press will spout of about military matters without bothering to learn the first thing about how any of it works. They feel they don't have to bother since no one they know has ever been in the military, so obviously those dumb enough to serve are some sort of sub-human species.

Posted by: Pluskat's Dog at November 06, 2015 12:56 PM (IbP8q)

171 And/or a Representative.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 06, 2015 12:56 PM (mcm0N)

172 "False.

That's Politico's characterization of the email they received from Carson's campaign manager Barry Bennett."

I hope so but the headline by drudge says it's true.

The don't quote or show the email so; who knows.

Politico, being politico, we'll wait to see what else the campaign officially says.

Still shouldn't hurt him too much as the majority of the tale is true and he would've qualified if he'd applied. But you have to get a congressman to sponsor so who knows.

BTW; I'm not reporting this gleefully, just passing on what I saw at Drudge. We knew they'd do something like this true or not. Carson should've been ahead of this.

He's definitely not a stolen valor thing or even that it's a total fabrication.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 06, 2015 12:56 PM (Xo1Rt)

173 It isn't really up to someone like Westmoreland to say you're in. West Point appointments are made by Congresscritters.

Now he could've said with your grades you're a shoe in to get that appointment, but Westmoreland couldn't make the appointment himself.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 06, 2015 12:56 PM (4ErVI)

174 "The the AoSHQ Concern Window open yet?"

I'm not worried about the future.
We don't have one.

It's all going to end in fire, real .. soon .. now.

Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 06, 2015 12:56 PM (OmVhU)

175 I remember it like it was yesterday.

I was pinned down under heavy sniper fire in Tuzla. My military attache looked me straight in the eyes and said "We could have used you at West Point."

Posted by: Hillary! at November 06, 2015 12:56 PM (xwPSp)

176 OK, it seems like a mild exaggeration that is fairly common in people talking about their past. Kind of like my college Gf's tits get bigger every time I recount the story.

Posted by: Benji Carver at November 06, 2015 12:57 PM (OD2ni)

177 Whoah, you weren't kidding about Drudge and red pixels.

Drudge really, really, really hates the Clintons, huh?

Posted by: Lizzy at November 06, 2015 12:57 PM (NOIQH)

178 Seems...concerny in here

it is what it is ...I could give two shits but the people who thought he was some piller of truth will be hurt ( may even turn on him like rabid dogs )

Posted by: alec at November 06, 2015 12:57 PM (ShAq/)

179 So sick of the knives always out over this petty shit.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at November 06, 2015 12:57 PM (iQIUe)

180 Also, you don't 'apply' to West Point.

You go to your congressman or senator and try to score an 'appointment'.

Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 06, 2015 12:57 PM (OmVhU)

181 In regards to this hit job Politico will someday print the following, or near enough:

"editors emphasized that they remain proud of the investigation and believe it is fundamentally solid, though they might have done some minor things differently now that they have had the benefit of hindsight"

This is what Propaganda Press organs of the Democrat Party say when they get things fucking wrong.

Posted by: MTF at November 06, 2015 12:58 PM (TxJGV)

182 Sadly, like Herman Cane, Carson is not ready for the Big Top. Time to start "Willowing" out Carson and Trump and get serious.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 06, 2015 12:53 PM (jJRIy)
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I couldnt agree more.

Posted by: Begonia at November 06, 2015 12:58 PM (7siX+)

183 Speak for yourself. I will not vote for Rubio or Cruz.

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I'd probably vote for either of those two.

Just sharing.

Posted by: SH at November 06, 2015 12:58 PM (gmeXX)

184 179
So sick of the knives always out over this petty shit.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at November 06, 2015 12:57 PM (iQIUe)

I'm less concerned about the pettiness and more concerned about how it only ever applies to certain candidates while others could kill their own children and get a pass.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 06, 2015 12:58 PM (4ErVI)

185 So Carson says something in clumsily worded language that is quite likely to have been true -- a top black student in 1969 with Westy's personal imprimatur would be an automatic gimme admission for West Point.

The press go absolutely ballistic over this. Crack investigators parachuting in. Top of the hour coverage on the teevee. Above the fold in the paper. What else has Carson fabricated eleventy!

Meanwhile, John Kerry says things about his wartime service that COULD NOT POSSIBLY BE TRUE in this space-time continuum, such as his having been sent up into Cambodia on a "secret mission" by President Nixon for Christmas of 1968. Which would really have been something, because at Xmas of '68, the President was not Nixon, but LBJ.

The press said nothing at all and made no inquiries. Down the memory hole.

You know, I'm starting to think that perhaps there's some actual foundation to the crazy idea that the press corps consists of "Democratic operatives with bylines".

Posted by: torquewrench at November 06, 2015 12:58 PM (noWW6)

186 "Time to start "Willowing" out Carson and Trump and get serious."

Nip, no way. They are serious candidates. The MSM sees this and has begun the attack process. They worry them.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 06, 2015 12:58 PM (ZgQOx)

187 Well you have to be nominated by your Senator.
Could Westmoreland--make that happen?
Probably.

Others can nominate you:
The Vice President
U.S. Representatives
The Secretary of the Army

Likelihood someone like Gen Westmoreland could have sent a note to any one of dozens of people and got someone an appointment: 100%.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 06, 2015 12:59 PM (jhqr1)

188 Drudge really, really, really hates the Clintons, huh?

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I would think he would love the Clintons. They kind of made him didn't they?

Posted by: SH at November 06, 2015 12:59 PM (gmeXX)

189 I knew a kid enrolled at West Point.

He was kind of an ass.

That is all.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at November 06, 2015 12:59 PM (VAsIq)

190 Lies! Lies! Lies!

Let's run with it and get the word out really loud.

LIES!

Now let's apply it to anyone that has lied, and really do some digging. Anyone vying for their nomination.

Politico? Come on. Let's see you do it.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at November 06, 2015 12:59 PM (U6f54)

191 176 OK, it seems like a mild exaggeration that is fairly common in people talking about their past. Kind of like my college Gf's tits get bigger every time I recount the story.
Posted by: Benji Carver at November 06, 2015 12:57 PM (OD2ni)

We say that about playing high school/college sports: the older I get, the better I used to be.

Posted by: Brian Williams at November 06, 2015 12:59 PM (oKE6c)

192 1. Politico lies.
2. The Democrats are afraid of Dr. Carson.
3. GOP Establishment are afraid of Dr. Carson.

Hence I expect to see them try to find women with whom he was unfaithful, cling bitterly to any trick of semantics in anything he ever read, wrote, or spoke about, and generally try to misdirect our attention from the Night of the Living Dead candidates prepared by RNC and DNC...

Posted by: setnaffa at November 06, 2015 12:59 PM (BtRXi)

193 If he turned it down then went to medical school in Cuba they'd love him.

Where'd he go to school anyway ?

Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Dice at November 06, 2015 12:59 PM (1PywZ)

194 If this story is rates as a lie, just imagine what the MSM will label utterances like

If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.

There will be no boots on the ground..

You mean like wipe it with a rag?

It's gonna be a bloodbath, I tells ya.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 06, 2015 12:59 PM (ptqRm)

195 151 The the AoSHQ Concern Window open yet? Seems like there is a line growing.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 06, 2015 12:53 PM (rSTkb)

LOTS of new nics. Happens every time there's an upcoming election -- the more important the election, the greater the number of Concerned Commenters (TM).

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at November 06, 2015 01:00 PM (RD7QR)

196 I thought about buying West Point once.

Posted by: Donald Trump at November 06, 2015 01:00 PM (4ErVI)

197 "Willowing" out Carson and Trump and get serious.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 06, 2015 12:53 PM (jJRIy)

______

I couldnt agree more.

Posted by: Begonia at November 06, 2015 12:58 PM (7siX+)

So, Begonia. How about that Jeb!, huh?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 06, 2015 01:00 PM (FsuaD)

198 Speak for yourself. I will not vote for Rubio or Cruz.

I will. Right now Jeb! is the only one I will not vote for.....

Posted by: donna at November 06, 2015 01:00 PM (/dSsq)

199 Sock off.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 06, 2015 01:00 PM (oKE6c)

200 154: "Time to start "Willowing" out Carson and Trump and get serious."

Isn't that what the Primary is for? You know, that whole let the voters decide thing?

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 06, 2015 01:00 PM (z/vX9)

201 It isn't really up to someone like Westmoreland to say you're in. West Point appointments are made by Congresscritters.

Now he could've said with your grades you're a shoe in to get that appointment, but Westmoreland couldn't make the appointment himself.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 06, 2015 12:56 PM (4ErVI)

Well not exactly. There are two parts - there is nomination and acceptance.

The two processes are different.

He said he was "offered a scholarship to West Point" - if someone says, hey, you want to go to West Point? That is an offer - loose language a bit. He never said he had been accepted at West Point, or nominated.

Posted by: blaster at November 06, 2015 01:01 PM (2Ocf1)

202 >>I would think he would love the Clintons. They kind of made him didn't they?

Yeah, it's more likely that he looooves to skewer them. I imagine him posting those headlines with glee, not hatred.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 06, 2015 01:02 PM (NOIQH)

203 ace: i believe so. But this is wording issue. You're beating him up for saying "full scholarship to West Point," as opposed to "could have gotten into West Point, which would have brought with it, perforce, a full scholarship."

People speak (and write) imprecisely. I just heard Carson speaking on Rush, and he used syntax that was a bit confusing. I'd put it down to a poor choice of words, nothing more.

But furthermore, do we really know that Carson actually wrote this book? People like him have ghost writers, no? Probably Carson read and approved the manuscript, but who knows if he caught this error/ambiguity? How do we know that the publisher didn't edit the text after approval? I was reading just recently about that kind of thing happening.

Posted by: despair at November 06, 2015 01:02 PM (VrdxH)

204 "I will. Right now Jeb! is the only one I will not vote for....."

You are worse than Hitler.

Posted by: Nichole Wallace at November 06, 2015 01:02 PM (OD2ni)

205 So Carson was inexact about some aspect of his autobiography. So what? It's not like he made up something out of whole cloth, like our current president, who used "composite" characters is his so-called autobiography, and also invented stories. To cite just one example, Obama claimed that the 1965 Selma civil rights march inspired his parents' relationship and his own conception . . . in 1960. Obama also admitted in an interview that many of the events in his book never happened (like, for example, a fight he described having had with a white girlfriend outside a movie theater, about why black people are so angry), and that he had "compressed" events and people (i.e., just made shit up and lied).

Carson's exaggeration about being offered a scholarship pales in comparison to Obama's outright fabrications about people who never existed and events that never happened.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 06, 2015 01:02 PM (a31sM)

206 Based on my seven Medals of Honor from D Day, the Bulge, Iwo Jima on through Vietnam, the offered me the commandant-ship at West Point but I wanted to conquer new horizons so I became test pilot instead.

- Brian Williams

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 06, 2015 01:02 PM (XUKZU)

207 Hey, I was offered a scholarship to the Frunze Academy!

Posted by: Barack Obama at November 06, 2015 01:02 PM (oKE6c)

208 Umm, you get an appointment to West Point, Naval Academy, etc. Either through a Congressional nomination or through a Presidential nomination. Teenagers who want to go to West Point don't simply "apply" and then are accepted.

So yes, as an ROTC member, Carson would have already had more of an in to West Point than say, another kid in the hood with marginal grades and no criminal record.

Go look at your House of Representative's webpage. Likely you will find a section on how to apply to your congressman regarding getting a nomination through them to one of the academies.

I still don't know what exactly Carson "lied" about in his book. That Westmoreland told him he would get a full scholarship to West Point? Or that he talked to Westmoreland at all?

Posted by: Jen the original at November 06, 2015 01:02 PM (E2mFK)

209 He said he was "offered a scholarship to West Point"
- if someone says, hey, you want to go to West Point? That is an
offer - loose language a bit. He never said he had been accepted at
West Point, or nominated.

Posted by: blaster at November 06, 2015 01:01 PM (2Ocf1)

Yeah and I do agree that had Westmoreland said you're great for it and written a letter or picked up the phone, Carson's chance of getting the appointment would've been around 100%.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 06, 2015 01:02 PM (4ErVI)

210 Down 5 in the polls next week and right back up again the following week.

Worse than Benghazi.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 06, 2015 01:02 PM (3myMJ)

211 I wasn't offered a free ride at West Point. I fuckin' OWN West Point.

Posted by: Donald Trump, True American Hero at November 06, 2015 01:03 PM (u5gzz)

212 My estimation of Dr. Carson isn't lowered in the slightest. At worst, what appears in his book isan exaggeration of Westmoreland's intent, which was no doubt to encourage young Ben Carson to consider a military career.

And then there's the big flaming non-issue of Rubio's credit card. The MSM is all in. They'll drag Hillary's decrepit carcassover the finish line, if that's what it takes.

Posted by: troyriser at November 06, 2015 01:03 PM (UWlp+)

213 Strange how the media digs so hard for dirt on female and black Republicans. It's almost like they will only allow old white guys to be on the right.

Posted by: Hillary's alcoholic depression at November 06, 2015 01:03 PM (NBhge)

214 Carson must scare the crap out of the GOPe and the Democrats; BIRM

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 06, 2015 01:03 PM (i0ykY)

215 My parents almost named me Selma because that's where I was conceived.

- Barack Obama

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 06, 2015 01:03 PM (XUKZU)

216 Also, you don't 'apply' to West Point.

You go to your congressman or senator and try to score an 'appointment'.

Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 06, 2015 12:57 PM

Actually you do. There are two separate and parallel applications. One for an appointment with anyone authorized to do so, and one with the school for admission. Neither one guarantees the other. Assuming you get both, as noted above, it's a full ride, with a small stipend. Or, as we used to call it, a $250,000 education, shoved up your ass a nickle at a time.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 06, 2015 01:03 PM (ttnnR)

217 One of My Daughters boyfriends was nominated to go to West Point... He accepted, but it was only one of His options..... Maybe this was one of Carsons... Meaning someone said He could probably get into West Point...

Posted by: donna at November 06, 2015 01:03 PM (/dSsq)

218 He should have claimed his wife and 13 month old daughter were killed by a drunk truck driver.

Posted by: boniface ballers at November 06, 2015 01:04 PM (m/Gc2)

219 I had a cardinal rule in proofreading -- search hard for that first mistake, once you find that one don't ease up, there are bound to be more. So I'm not dismissing the good Dr, but I suspect there are more disclosures on the way.

Posted by: se pa moron at November 06, 2015 01:04 PM (7v/r5)

220 So, Begonia. How about that Jeb!, huh?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 06, 2015 01:00 PM (FsuaD)
_________

I am still convinced (actually more than ever) that Governor Bush will take the oath of office in 2017.

Posted by: Begonia at November 06, 2015 01:04 PM (7siX+)

221
AND predictably the MFM version of the story is Lying Liar Carson Lied about West Point. Funny how there is never one one millionth of the scrutiny on what Dems say or claim to have done.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 06, 2015 01:04 PM (493sH)

222 215
My parents almost named me Selma because that's where I was conceived.

- Barack Obama

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 06, 2015 01:03 PM (XUKZU)

I dodged a fire hose and dogs in Selma.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at November 06, 2015 01:04 PM (4ErVI)

223
And then there's the big flaming non-issue of Rubio's credit card. The MSM is all in. They'll drag Hillary's decrepit carcassover the finish line, if that's what it takes.

What You said...

Posted by: donna at November 06, 2015 01:04 PM (/dSsq)

224 Any Republican running into this current wave of takedowns by the MFM "reporters" should contact the reporter and request a filmed interview.

And do in the interview what Ted Cruz did to Carlos Guererra or whatever his name was, in that CNBC "debate."

Loudly and squarely point out that if we are going to talk about lies and lying in these petty matters from long ago, then let's take it across the board and go to Benghazi, Whitewater and a whole lot more.

And then have his campaign cut the filmed interview into a campaign ad and flog the ad relentlessly.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at November 06, 2015 01:04 PM (U6f54)

225 If he's at a dinner like that, then yes, he would be considered as good recruiting material.

Sort of like a high school senior going to a dinner and speaking with Mark Dantonio or Jim Harbaugh would think they are likely to get a full scholarship to MSU or UM.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Yo! The Outrage Outlet Wraps! at November 06, 2015 01:04 PM (hLRSq)

226 But furthermore, do we really know that Carson actually wrote this book? People like him have ghost writers, no? Probably Carson read and approved the manuscript, but who knows if he caught this error/ambiguity? How do we know that the publisher didn't edit the text after approval? I was reading just recently about that kind of thing happening.

The book was ghost written by Cecil Murphey. Murphey says, in the Politico article, Carson's memory of the Westmoreland meeting was hazy.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 06, 2015 01:05 PM (jhqr1)

227 I think that the fucking semantics were irrelevant to the story he was trying to tell. He was told that he could go to West Point free so he chose the term "scholarship" instead of Congressional Appointment. Like others mentioned he was probably told that with his grades and the local congressman, they could pretty much assure that he would get in. He wanted to tell the reader that he had other opportunities but always knew that he wanted to be a surgeon. Non-fucking story!

Posted by: Timon at November 06, 2015 01:05 PM (ZDJwC)

228 It's reasonable to assume that if you are being told by a former superintendent of West Point that you can get a full ride then that it is the same as being told it's a sure thing.

Westmoreland was the superintendent at West Point from 1960 to 1963. With all of his other credentials, I would have to imagine that he wouldn't have said this lightly.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 06, 2015 01:05 PM (9xIiZ)

229 Over at Red State, Erick Erickson has already begun the process of digging the grave on Carson's campaign because of this.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at November 06, 2015 01:05 PM (ppaKI)

230 The hypocrisy is my big issue.

Can you imagine if say Obama said in his book he was offered a spot at some Ivy League by a muckety muck and they couldn't rally nail that down, that he would be getting crucified over it? It's absolutely laughable.

Look, there is no perfect candidate, people puff up their resume and past. And politicians lie their ass off.

Now if this is part of a much larger pattern, that's a different story that remains to be seen, but if this entire episode is 100% right by Politico, it wouldn't talk me out of voting for Carson.

Posted by: Coolio at November 06, 2015 01:06 PM (mCgxQ)

231 "Carson must scare the crap out of the GOPe and the Democrats; BIRM"

He's got them worried and the media got their orders.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 06, 2015 01:06 PM (ZgQOx)

232 If he says that he actually filled out an application, etc., and got an acceptance letter, etc., yeah, that's a problem.
But otherwise it's no big deal.

A family friend of ours had close connections to the admissions people at Yale and was himself an alumnus.
He urged my younger brother to apply, saying he could "guarantee" he'd not only be admitted, but would get a full ride.

Given the boy's Hispanic surname and the (honest) checking of the correct boxes, it would indeed have been a slam dunk. His academic record was almost ---not quite, but almost --- as good as what it would take for a non-legacy WASP boy to at least get consideration.

He had zero desire to go to Yale and therefore didn't even apply, but he has always said "I coulda gone to Yale for nuthin.'" And it's true.

He doesn't say "I was offered" but, if he had gone up there and an admissions officer, an authority with power, had told him the same thing as our family friend, he MIGHT phrase it that way. I dunno.

(Boy Wonder passed up college altogether to enlist in the Marines!)

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 06, 2015 01:06 PM (JfN61)

233 229 Over at Red State, Erick Erickson has already begun the process of digging the grave on Carson's campaign because of this.

Yes because We must panic like a bunch of little pantywaists...

Posted by: donna at November 06, 2015 01:06 PM (/dSsq)

234 He said he ate filet mignon at the dinner

BUT IT WAS T-BONE

Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Dice at November 06, 2015 01:06 PM (1PywZ)

235 He should have claimed his wife and 13 month old daughter were killed by a drunk truck driver.
_________________

Yeah, or that he had to overcome a hard-scrabble existence as a Welsh coal miner before being elected to the Senate.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at November 06, 2015 01:07 PM (a31sM)

236 173: It isn't really up to someone like Westmoreland to say you're in. West Point appointments are made by Congresscritters."

Congress makes nominations, not appointments.

Nominations can also be submitted by:

The Vice President

Child of a veteran KIA, POW, Medal of Honor Recipient, or disabled.

Child of active or reserve veteran.

JROTC or ROTC component.

Or even by the government of a foreign nation.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 06, 2015 01:07 PM (z/vX9)

237 Drudge really, really, really hates the Clintons, huh? Posted by: Lizzy at November 06, 2015 12:57 PM

Apparently, with the blind, unreasoning fury of Tepid Air going after teh Donald.

But at least ol' Matt can be distracted by the latest Hollywood scandal....

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 06, 2015 01:07 PM (OSULx)

238 What impresses me is how smoothly Politico has shifted from licking Obama's ass to sucking Hillary's cock. True professional grade toadying right there.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Yo! The Outrage Outlet Wraps! at November 06, 2015 01:07 PM (hLRSq)

239 Isn't that what the Primary is for? You know, that whole let the voters decide thing?

haha

Posted by: GOP Big Money Donors at November 06, 2015 01:07 PM (xwPSp)

240 Story Headline Fail over at the Daily Mail.

"Global warming caused FOURTEEN extreme weather events last year and affected every continent but Alaska, researchers reveal"

In the story it says Antarctica, I only looked to see when Alaska became it's own continent.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 06, 2015 01:07 PM (wrS2o)

241 Rubio and Jeb are the only ones I refuse to vote for. (well besides Hillary or any Dem)

And of course I'm not including anyone under 2.5% cause they most likely aren't getting the nom unless a catastrophy happens and then it's all up for grabs.

How about Miss Lindsey being told to GTFO?

hahahahahahha. Panties in a wad.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 06, 2015 01:07 PM (Xo1Rt)

242
@219

Well, that is the whole point of the exercise. The media has a cudgel that they can apply to all the other things said about Carson. Once one thing has been discredited, it casts suspicion on everything else.

except for Obama. We know he lies and it doesn't make any difference because he is a commie bastard.

Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 06, 2015 01:07 PM (OmVhU)

243 He said he was "offered a scholarship to West Point" - if someone says, hey, you want to go to West Point? That is an offer - loose language a bit. He never said he had been accepted at West Point, or nominated.
Posted by: blaster at November 06, 2015 01:01 PM (2Ocf1)

So all the kids who are verbally offered a scholarship from colleges to play football, but then accept college A instead of B are lying about College B?

(Even if you are offered a scholarship and you verbally accept, until all the paperwork is signed and you graduated from high school and everything transfers and you actually enroll, nothing is for sure. But if a kid get's blocked somewhere along the line, then he lied about it. I see how this works)

Posted by: Jen the original at November 06, 2015 01:07 PM (E2mFK)

244 "I am still convinced (actually more than ever) that Governor Bush will take the oath of office in 2017. "

I could see Jebby taking some form of Oath of Office as well.

For some form of Office which requires an oath.

I think even Baltimore's Mayor takes some form of Oath.

Just sayin'

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 06, 2015 01:07 PM (ptqRm)

245 234 He said he ate filet mignon at the dinner

BUT IT WAS T-BONE
Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Dice at November 06, 2015 01:06 PM (1PywZ)

THEN WHO WAS RIBEYE?!?!

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 06, 2015 01:08 PM (2Ojst)

246 What were Obama's grades in college?

Posted by: No mainstream journalist ever at November 06, 2015 01:08 PM (vi+pp)

247 THIS JUST IN!!

A letter has been discovered that Gen Westmoreland wrote to the people in charge of West Point urging them to give young Ben Carson an appointment to the Academy!

Please remember, it could just be coincidence that the letter from 1969 looks like it was typed in Microsoft Word.

This is Dan Rather, signing off, and you don't want to know where his head is right now

Posted by: Mallflower at November 06, 2015 01:08 PM (qSIlh)

248 If this was a white candidate, a story that he had stabbed a guy in the gut and had attacked his mother with a hammer would bury his candidacy.

But because he is black, his candidacy might be torpedoed because he DIDN'T do these things.

FML

Posted by: despair at November 06, 2015 01:08 PM (VrdxH)

249 There is no such thing as a "scholarship" to West Point. You apply for, and receive an appointment to West Point (or any other service academy).

It's terrifically difficult to get. You go through a battery of interviews-have to have excellent grades and test scores, be athletic, participate in non-athletic extracurricular activities, and just be a good person.

I received an appointment to USAFA. I know the drill. Was lucky to get it, and was stupid to punch out when I did.

Posted by: pointsnfigures at November 06, 2015 01:09 PM (hSpC/)

250 Alaska is now a continent, to be named "Jarrettland".

Posted by: Barry I, the Benevolent and Clueless at November 06, 2015 01:09 PM (ppaKI)

251 245 234 He said he ate filet mignon at the dinner

BUT IT WAS T-BONE
Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Dice at November 06, 2015 01:06 PM (1PywZ)

THEN WHO WAS RIBEYE?!?!

CUBE STEAK!

Posted by: rickb223 at November 06, 2015 01:09 PM (xP7rZ)

252 189: "I knew a kid enrolled at West Point.

He was kind of an ass.'

I've never cared for ring knockers.

But then I have an NCO's prejudices.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 06, 2015 01:09 PM (z/vX9)

253 re 246: see my 97 for the answer.

Posted by: Mallflower at November 06, 2015 01:09 PM (qSIlh)

254 One of My Daughters boyfriends was nominated to go to West Point... He accepted, but it was only one of His options..... Maybe this was one of Carsons... Meaning someone said He could probably get into West Point...

Posted by: donna at November 06, 2015 01:03 PM (/dSsq)

How many boyfriends does your daughter have? ;-)

Posted by: Timon at November 06, 2015 01:09 PM (ZDJwC)

255 Snopes explaining away Obama's Selma lie:

Senator Obama might be considered guilty of engaging in little pandering here by trying to imply a direct line between the 1965 Selma, Alabama, marches and his personal background (since he was speaking in Selma at the time). However, the tenor of his speech was how the overall growth and progress of the Civil Rights movement affected the outlook of blacks (including his family), both in the U.S. and abroad. That movement did not start with the 1965 marches in Selma; it was a process that began and grew across the years[.]

It's the tenor of his speech defense.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 06, 2015 01:09 PM (XUKZU)

256 196 I thought about buying West Point once.

Posted by: Donald Trump at November 06, 2015 01:00 PM (4ErVI)

Need to move faster, Moo Moo bought it

Posted by: Doom Rider at November 06, 2015 01:10 PM (ck8TA)

257 254 One of My Daughters boyfriends was nominated to go to West Point... He accepted, but it was only one of His options..... Maybe this was one of Carsons... Meaning someone said He could probably get into West Point...

Posted by: donna at November 06, 2015 01:03 PM (/dSsq)

How many boyfriends does your daughter have? ;-)

Boyfriend at the time....

Posted by: donna at November 06, 2015 01:10 PM (/dSsq)

258 Over at Red State, Erick Erickson has already begun the process of digging the grave on Carson's campaign because of this.

Posted by: Citizen Cake

Eric acting like an excitable turd-monkey? That doesn't sound like the Eric I know...

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 06, 2015 01:10 PM (rSTkb)

259 THEN WHO WAS RIBEYE?!?!

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at November 06, 2015 01:08 PM

I was, dick. And thanks so much for asking. While you're at it, why not give me a paper cut and run bearnaise into it?

Posted by: Zombie Holstein at November 06, 2015 01:10 PM (ttnnR)

260 #227 Timon

Correct. And, again media ignorance of all things military shines through.

Celebrities tell you that the media lies about them, but then they believe every damn thing that the media writes about the military and the war efforts. And the motives to distort and finally feel "accomplished" there are much larger . The Media wants to be the warriors but they are only willing to put their pens on the line.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 06, 2015 01:10 PM (mcm0N)

261 250
Alaska is now a continent, to be named "Jarrettland".

Posted by: Barry I, the Benevolent and Clueless at November 06, 2015 01:09 PM (ppaKI)

Kind of like Lex Luthor and Australia.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 06, 2015 01:11 PM (4ErVI)

262 Come on....this guys like a fairy tale.
Clean cut, articulate.
Speaks without any discernible accent.

And I hear that his late son encouraged him to run.

Posted by: Joey Choo Choo. Paste sticks for all my friends at November 06, 2015 01:11 PM (ptqRm)

263 I'm looking at Ben a bit more now actually.

He had the smarts to know when to fold and came out and admitted it (even though we know it's being parsed to make it look as bad as possible) but he said that yes it could be seen that way so yes it's true that he didn't put in an application.

That's how to handle this BS. It ain't the lies(white or not) that get you, it's the coverup or the stonewall and then finally admitting it that's makes you look stupid.

Trump/Carson 2016 OR Carson/Trump 2016 (although I don't think the Donald could subsume his ego for that ticket.)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 06, 2015 01:11 PM (Xo1Rt)

264 Anyone checking out Corey Booker's neighborhood buddies?

Posted by: Lizzy at November 06, 2015 01:12 PM (NOIQH)

265 I don't blame anyone for digging graves. Given the sharpness of the oppositions knives, it is probably appropriate to do that in more camps than just poor Ben's. Megyn Kelly should have a field day with this since Ben gave that honest-injun pledge to her last night about those other allegations from his childhood. I wondered at the time why she was asking him to swear that he was telling the truth. Snippy bitch will draw blood from someone, that's for sure. ISIS take her.

Posted by: goon at November 06, 2015 01:12 PM (gy5kE)

266 What were Obama's grades in college?

Posted by: No mainstream journalist ever at November 06, 2015 01:08 PM (vi+pp)

MFM: We don't need to see his grades to know he's a genius!!! Just look at all of the leftist bilge he believes and espouses.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 06, 2015 01:12 PM (493sH)

267 Politico hasn't learned yet that if they truly wanted to hurt Carson's standing with conservatives they should say something positive about Carson.

That would start the ball rolling.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 06, 2015 01:12 PM (/HC6x)

268 Meanwhile Hillary! skates...

Posted by: donna at November 06, 2015 01:12 PM (/dSsq)

269 Forgot to add that these same celebrities propagandize against--"the bad men" on a foundation of the wisdom of the media.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 06, 2015 01:12 PM (mcm0N)

270 If the media commented on how clean and well spoken he is, that would probably be the end.

Posted by: Chupacabra at November 06, 2015 01:13 PM (F26eZ)

271 What a day.

I suffered through watching Carly go up against the hags on The View, while being called "girl" and shouted down, and practically being called a liar to her face over PP's sale of baby body parts. Whoopi: "It's a lie!!!!!"

Yeesh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 06, 2015 01:13 PM (FsuaD)

272 It's terrifically difficult to get. You go through a battery of interviews-have to have excellent grades and test scores, be athletic, participate in non-athletic extracurricular activities, and just be a good person.

I received an appointment to USAFA. I know the drill. Was lucky to get it, and was stupid to punch out when I did.
Posted by: pointsnfigures

____________

I knew an absolute retard that got into West Point, and he was white so it wasn't any Affirmative Action nonsense.

Ben Carson would have been an easy shoo with his resume. The idea of somebody making that offer and him deducing it was basically an acceptance to West Point is just not that crazy of an exaggeration.

Posted by: Coolio at November 06, 2015 01:13 PM (mCgxQ)

273 Carson didn't donate to Hillary or invite her to his wedding. He also didn't trash the base or push for more amnesty. That makes him better than most of the other candidates.

Posted by: Hillary's alcoholic depression at November 06, 2015 01:13 PM (NBhge)

274 270 If the media commented on how clean and well spoken he is, that would probably be the end.

Have they liked any of the R Candidates?

Posted by: donna at November 06, 2015 01:13 PM (/dSsq)

275 264 Anyone checking out Corey Booker's neighborhood buddies?
Posted by: Lizzy at November 06, 2015 01:12 PM (NOIQH)

THEN WHAT WAS T-BONE?!

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at November 06, 2015 01:14 PM (RD7QR)

276 "It ain't the lies(white or not) that get you, it's the coverup"

HAhgahahahahahaha!

Posted by: Hillary! at November 06, 2015 01:14 PM (u5gzz)

277 Anyone checking out Corey Booker's neighborhood buddies?

-
My buddy Pork Chop and me, well, we was real bad.

- Corey Booker

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 06, 2015 01:14 PM (XUKZU)

278 263
I'm looking at Ben a bit more now actually.

He had the smarts to know when to fold and came out and admitted it (even though we know it's being parsed to make it look as bad as possible) but he said that yes it could be seen that way so yes it's true that he didn't put in an application.

That's how to handle this BS. It ain't the lies(white or not) that get you, it's the coverup or the stonewall and then finally admitting it that's makes you look stupid.

Trump/Carson 2016 OR Carson/Trump 2016 (although I don't think the Donald could subsume his ego for that ticket.)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 06, 2015 01:11 PM (Xo1Rt)

This.

Posted by: rebel flounder at November 06, 2015 01:14 PM (3dOE/)

279 He said he ate filet mignon at the dinner

BUT IT WAS T-BONE

Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Dice at November 06, 2015 01:06 PM (1PywZ)

Has anyone told Cory Booker yet?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Yo! The Outrage Outlet Wraps! at November 06, 2015 01:14 PM (hLRSq)

280 249: "and just be a good person."

I would disagree with that being a requirement.

Either that, or all of the ring knockers I met were mysteriously transformed after their graduation.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 06, 2015 01:14 PM (z/vX9)

281 "234 He said he ate filet mignon at the dinner

BUT IT WAS T-BONE
Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Dice at November 06, 2015 01:06 PM (1PywZ)"

Oh no. That bastard ate my best friend.

Posted by: Cory Booker at November 06, 2015 01:14 PM (OD2ni)

282 Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at November 06, 2015 01:12 PM (/HC6x)

You know that since they started saying Trump could win, his numbers have gone down or flattened out.

Just sayin'

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 06, 2015 01:14 PM (Xo1Rt)

283 I remember fondly the last time Politic dug into a black candidate's autobiography.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at November 06, 2015 01:14 PM (I825/)

284 Couple reactions.

(1) The scumbags in the MSM can take the time to research some possible meeting Westmoreland may have attended decades ago to try to impeach Carson on what appears to be at worst, loose language. And they are still trying to spin Rather's shameful performance on Bush's service. But the backgrounds of Obama, and the cattle trading Hilary? The hypocrisy is beyond breathtaking.

(2) That being said, I had a coach many decades ago who offered to contact the baseball coach at his alma mater. He felt sure there could be a place on their team for me, and that financial aid/scholarship money would be available. I had no doubt he had a lot of sway in that particular realm. However, I knew then and know now that is different from being "offered a baseball scholarship at such and such University".

(3) R's need to be FAR more ruthless in their research and exposure of Democrats. As you dig up damning facts, compare them to instances where the MSM jumped all over a similar instance when the shoe was on the other foot. Didn't Alinsky. an icon to Obama and Hilary!, say to make the other side live up to their own rules? Not rocket science here.

Posted by: RM at November 06, 2015 01:14 PM (U3LtS)

285 I knew an absolute retard that got into West Point, and he was white so it wasn't any Affirmative Action nonsense.

Child of a Medal of Honor awardee?

Posted by: bonhomme at November 06, 2015 01:14 PM (jhqr1)

286 Meanwhile Hillary! skates...

Posted by: donna at November 06, 2015 01:12 PM (/dSsq)

A Republican could help an old lady across the street and it would be a scandal. A Democrat could shove her in front of a truck and it would be a non story

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 06, 2015 01:14 PM (493sH)

287 I can never vote for a liar!

-LIV

Hillary! 2016

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at November 06, 2015 01:16 PM (fWAjv)

288 >>>O Lordy!

Are white people allowed to say that? Plus, isn't that the kind of thing Stepin Fetchit would say?

I've only begun to detect the problems.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 06, 2015 01:16 PM (IN7k+)

289 You Repukes can't lay a finger in me!

Posted by: Hillary! at November 06, 2015 01:16 PM (u5gzz)

290 Rush is going over all the Carson crap and covering Obama and Hillary's outright lies about their past. Had two former military people who were recruited/attended West Point on, one during Carson's era, and said yes what he said aligns with the kind of info West Point would have given him back then.

*puts relish on the Nothingburger*

Posted by: LizLem at November 06, 2015 01:16 PM (hvf9s)

291

So is the the new thing by Politico, CNN and all of the fake "new" sites?

Every day, release a new "Gotcha in a Lie" on page #, paragraph #, sentence #..., etc. that he will have to defend.

He says he's not playing along, and not going on defense, but he has to. It is a major smear campaign.

This means the numbers show him destroying Hillary. Yup.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 06, 2015 01:16 PM (qCMvj)

292 Check out Ben Shapiro's analysis of the Politico article. He makes some good points.

http://goo.gl/EFCgcz

Posted by: bonhomme at November 06, 2015 01:16 PM (jhqr1)

293 I'm sure it didn't "work" in a meaningful way, but I have actually rocked a few soft liberals back on their heels with the evidence of double standards as proof they need to vote for Republicans if they want accountability in government - because the press will NOT hold Democrats accountable unless the Democrats vote with Republicans or unless they get so far outside reasonable that other Dems turn against them (Filner, Yee, etc.).

Remember Filner was up to his crap for decades before he was held accountable.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 06, 2015 01:16 PM (bLnSU)

294 I'm less concerned about the pettiness and more concerned about how it only ever applies to certain candidates while others could kill their own children and get a pass.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 06, 2015 12:58 PM (4ErVI)

Aye, Chelsea Clinton was a twin. There was another and this one...those red, glowing eyes, that tail, those feet, like hooves they were...S'truth! I swear it on me blessed mother's grave! Stories say they keep him locked upin a little room, deep in the dungeon, next to the servers...

Posted by: Wizened Crone Midwife Who Knows More Than Is Good For Her at November 06, 2015 01:17 PM (UWlp+)

295 " try to impeach Carson on what appears to be at worst, loose language.'

written into the biography by the biographer when Carson said he could have gone to West Point.

Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 06, 2015 01:17 PM (OmVhU)

296 However you have to go with the media you have--and this is the problem when trying to run with a candidate---that the media gets to "introduce" to the public.

Hell the media dug up 20 year old stories of supposed infidelity by McCain and introduced them as "new" during his general election campaign for the presidency.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 06, 2015 01:17 PM (mcm0N)

297 Ben Carson West Point story: False

Elijah Cummings at the Benghazi hearings: True

Posted by: Chupacabra at November 06, 2015 01:17 PM (F26eZ)

298 Didn't he say gun control was a local issue and that he wouldn't have invaded Afghanistan after 9/11? Oh, I get it. He's a surgeon so he's fucking slow and his ill-considered policy ideas are excusable because he stood up to Obama once. Thinking that he's not a serious candidate must mean I either support a RINO like Jeb (and apparently Rubio's a RINO now) or my mouth is all over Trump's c---.

Posted by: Naes at November 06, 2015 01:17 PM (Ypc8j)

299 I don't know about Politico. Always thought tool of the Left, not as bad as ....name one of many. But recently, and I do not know where or how, I heard or saw something about it also being a dumping ground for leaks from GOPe.

Anyway, this does not help Carson that's for sure. Especially when his guy jumped the gun and sort of said it's true.

Posted by: gracepc at November 06, 2015 01:17 PM (DMQhB)

300 *puts relish on the Nothingburger*

Posted by: LizLem at November 06, 2015 01:16 PM

You want fries with that?

Posted by: Former Vox staffer at November 06, 2015 01:17 PM (ttnnR)

301 "But furthermore, do we really know that Carson actually wrote this book?
People like him have ghost writers, no? Probably Carson read and
approved the manuscript, but who knows if he caught this
error/ambiguity?"

Carson's _One Nation_ book credits his wife on the cover as co-author.

And it's got factual errors in it, glaring ones.

Example: Lois Lerner is described as having been the head of the IRS.

::: facepalm :::

Posted by: torquewrench at November 06, 2015 01:18 PM (noWW6)

302 I didn't know he was in ROTC, so this actually makes him look better in my eyes.

But I dunno... that pyramid thing is a deal-breaker. We can't afford to have America looking like a laughingstock on the world stage, can we?

Posted by: rickl at November 06, 2015 01:18 PM (zoehZ)

303 I remember fondly the last time Politic dug into a black candidate's autobiography.

Posted by: Tonic Dog

Me, too.

Posted by: Tim Scott at November 06, 2015 01:18 PM (VAsIq)

304

Why aren't we just calling them RACISTS! and moving on?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 06, 2015 01:19 PM (qCMvj)

305 OT: One of my colleagues got off a pretty good one. We have staff meetings in which we discuss what to do with problem defendants. One attorney was telling us about a defendant's history thinking maybe as a veteran he might have a source of funds for certain treatment. Then he said, oh, looks like he was convicted in the military of sex assault so he might not have an honorable discharge. Another attorney responded well apparently he had some sort of discharge.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 06, 2015 01:19 PM (XUKZU)

306 I'm a member of the USMA class of 1971. The academy was making a big effort at the time to find qualified black cadets. My guess is that, given his good grades and participation in Jr. ROTC, Dr. Carson could have easily received an appointment.

Posted by: Elmer_Stoup at November 06, 2015 01:19 PM (o6qCS)

307 Didn't Hillary even lie about where Chelsea was on 9.11 - she said Chelsea was near ground zero as way to demonstrate that she, Hillary, is just like a 9/11 widow and feels your pain!!

Except...darling Chelsea was actually far, far away.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 06, 2015 01:20 PM (NOIQH)

308 I was extended several offers of scholarship during my senior year of high school. I only applied to the school where I accepted the scholarship. Does that mean I was never offered the other scholarships? Just trying to decide if I've been lying all these years.

Posted by: no good deed at November 06, 2015 01:20 PM (GgxVX)

309 "*puts relish on the Nothingburger*"

Ridiculous.

But, this thread is in a flat spin.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 06, 2015 01:20 PM (ZgQOx)

310 What a day. I suffered through watching Carly go up against the hags on The View, while being called "girl" and shouted down, and practically being called a liar to her face over PP's sale of baby body parts. Whoopi: "It's a lie!!!!!"
Yeesh.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 06, 2015 01:13 PM (FsuaD)

I'm looking forward to watching full video of the segments to be posted later. Excited to see Carly clash with them. Do you feel she "won" and held her own? Or was it just too much ganging up by vapid clucking hens for one person to handle?

Posted by: LizLem at November 06, 2015 01:20 PM (hvf9s)

311 And you people come down on ME for Benghazi?! HA!

Posted by: Hillary! at November 06, 2015 01:20 PM (EDYaR)

312 Politico has already given this alleged "lie" from 40 years ago from a presidential candidate than the Secretary of Sate's CONFIRMED pre-meditated lie to the nation (with smoking gun emails) that was revealed in a congressional hearing just a few weeks ago about an attack on a US embassy that resulted in the murder of a US ambassador. Just think about that for a second.

Posted by: Tommy V at November 06, 2015 01:20 PM (SRQwr)

313
I didn't know he was in ROTC, so this actually makes him look better in my eyes.

But I dunno... that pyramid thing is a deal-breaker. We can't
afford to have America looking like a laughingstock on the world stage,
can we?

Posted by: rickl at November 06, 2015 01:18 PM (zoehZ)

This.

As far as the pyramid thing; who knows the context of his answer. I have some speculations about stuff that many would think a bit weird but even I wouldn't make decisions based on that. Shows he's thinking out of the box on stuff that everyone takes for granted.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 06, 2015 01:20 PM (Xo1Rt)

314 But I dunno... that pyramid thing is a deal-breaker. We can't afford to have America looking like a laughingstock on the world stage, can we?
Posted by: rickl at November 06, 2015 01:18 PM (zoehZ)

Which is why candidates should refuse to play the game of "let's talk about off the wall subjects that I will eventually get your opinion on and make it sound like you are crazy. Are you a witch?"

Posted by: Jen the original at November 06, 2015 01:21 PM (E2mFK)

315 I knew an absolute retard that got into West Point, and he was white so it wasn't any Affirmative Action nonsense.

----

I nominate a lot of good kids, kids who remind me of me.

Posted by: Joe Biden at November 06, 2015 01:21 PM (VAsIq)

316 I knew an absolute retard that got into West Point, and he was white so it wasn't any Affirmative Action nonsense.

Child of a Medal of Honor awardee?
Posted by: bonhomme

__________________

No, we joked about which Senator's dick did he suck. His family was middle class to poor

From my recollection, he washed out, which isn't surprising, he was a screw up in school nearly his entire life.

Carsons resume was 100x this guys and he was black. He basically had his pick of Ivy League schools anyway

My guess is how he presented it was an exagerration, but probably an accurate narrative that he had a spot at West Point if he wanted it. From a story told 40 years ago, I certainly don't think this disqualifies him

Just speculation on my part though

Posted by: Coolio at November 06, 2015 01:21 PM (mCgxQ)

317 What liberal bias?

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at November 06, 2015 01:22 PM (0LHZx)

318 I don't know what's been discussed here, but like it or not, there are really, only two precedents for this sort of thing: Clarence Thomas and Herb Cain.

The scenario is this: Black Republican gets uppity, so we accuse him of something. It's NOT about the accusation! It's about the response.

Respond like Thomas, with controlled outrage at the whole thing, and they'll grumble grumble grumble, but guess what. You win!

Respond like Herb, fumbling and stuttering about your blonde bimbo eruptions, and guess what. You lose!

Doctor Ben has two templates off which to work. Choose wisely... or maybe you have a third option we have not yet seen that will work. We do know what WON'T work though.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 06, 2015 01:22 PM (TOk1P)

319 This is why I write fiction. Nothing I write is true. Nothing. It's all made up. You'll never catch me in a falsehood, because everything I write is fiction.

Even my name.

Nothing is true. It's all an allusion.

Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 06, 2015 01:23 PM (OmVhU)

320 Azenogoth

He said USAFA--we know Army are assholes.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 06, 2015 01:23 PM (mcm0N)

321 I was just kidding about the pyramid thing. Last I looked, "Egyptologist" is not among the necessary qualifications for President.

Posted by: rickl at November 06, 2015 01:23 PM (zoehZ)

322 Compliments to the wielder of the Banhammer of Banhammering.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at November 06, 2015 01:23 PM (RD7QR)

323 Carson went to Yale so it isn't like he has to lie about having good credentials.

Posted by: blaster at November 06, 2015 01:24 PM (VyOxI)

324 Carson really needs to push back with a little bit of race card on this.

Just throw it out there; "yeah I mistated it because I knew I'd get in if I applied so I didn't apply. But why is this being pursued so zealously when we can hardly get the Media to mention Hillary's admitted lies about the deaths of American Citizens and about her hiding emails and illegally handling classified material?"

Wait to bring that up during a debate so that they can't cut it.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 06, 2015 01:24 PM (Xo1Rt)

325
I'm looking forward to watching full video of
the segments to be posted later. Excited to see Carly clash with them.
Do you feel she "won" and held her own? Or was it just too much ganging
up by vapid clucking hens for one person to handle?

Posted by: LizLem at November 06, 2015 01:20 PM (hvf9s)

She won, in my view. One of the LIV idiots, Raven whatever, accused Carly of never discussing any issues. *head-desk*

There was so much screeching among the hags it was difficult for Carly to get a word in edgewise. Plus, she was in NH. Joyless Behar accused her of being thin-skinned, because their digs at her were "comedic."

Gee, they never made digs at Barry or the Mooch for their stunning good looks.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 06, 2015 01:24 PM (FsuaD)

326 Plus AF guys are smart enough to take the ring off. Outnumbered by insecure ROTCy types.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 06, 2015 01:25 PM (mcm0N)

327 322:"Compliments to the wielder of the Banhammer of Banhammering."

Dang. I always miss the fun stuff.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 06, 2015 01:25 PM (z/vX9)

328 Guy on Rush now saying that back during the eras when the military less popular (carter/nixon), he was pulled aside in basic training and told he had a full scholarship to West Point. He had not applied. Still has a slip of paper from his captain that if he changed his mind could get him bak in there.

Posted by: LizLem at November 06, 2015 01:25 PM (hvf9s)

329 I knew an absolute retard that got into West Point, and he was white so it wasn't any Affirmative Action nonsense.

One of the weirdest people I know graduated west point. Take a ron paul type, with all the silver and federal reserve conspiracy theories, add in some liberal baggage, a return to a full military draft, and you're starting to get an idea.

He's also one of the most miserable people I've ever known.

Posted by: se pa moron at November 06, 2015 01:25 PM (7v/r5)

330 So was Carson with his composite white girlfriend when he got the offer?
Oh, wait. That's... another guy.

Posted by: tu3031 at November 06, 2015 01:26 PM (EDYaR)

331 This is why I write fiction. Nothing I write is true. Nothing. It's all made up. You'll never catch me in a falsehood, because everything I write is fiction.

------

You lie!

Posted by: Joe Wilson at November 06, 2015 01:26 PM (VAsIq)

332 She won, in my view. One of the LIV idiots, Raven whatever, accused Carly of never discussing any issues. *head-desk*

There was so much screeching among the hags it was difficult for Carly to get a word in edgewise. Plus, she was in NH. Joyless Behar accused her of being thin-skinned, because their digs at her were "comedic."

Gee, they never made digs at Barry or the Mooch for their stunning good looks.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 06, 2015 01:24 PM (FsuaD)

thanks for the update, I wouldn't be able to watch

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 06, 2015 01:26 PM (qCMvj)

333 Whatever other opinions I have of people (oh so many), comparing what Carson and his campaign said to what Politico said, Politico is full of shit.

Their argument is, at best, a grossly tendentious reading that is quite reasonably called a dishonest smear.

So, in other words, today ends with a Y.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at November 06, 2015 01:26 PM (bLnSU)

334 I was just kidding about the pyramid thing. Last I looked, "Egyptologist" is not among the necessary qualifications for President.
Posted by: rickl at November 06, 2015 01:23 PM (zoehZ)

Ask the DNC candidates who built the pyramids. According to the media's logic, if they answer Jews or slaves they are ineligible to be pres. (Correct answer: egyptian citizens.)

Posted by: LizLem at November 06, 2015 01:27 PM (hvf9s)

335 Carson really needs to push back with a little bit of race card on this.

Just throw it out there; "yeah I mistated it because I knew I'd get in if I applied so I didn't apply. But why is this being pursued so zealously when we

"can't even find out about the president's transcripts? Why are you picking on a 100% black man and not a half black man?"

Posted by: rickb223 at November 06, 2015 01:28 PM (xP7rZ)

336 This is why I write fiction. Nothing I write is
true. Nothing. It's all made up. You'll never catch me in a falsehood,
because everything I write is fiction.

Even my name.

Nothing is true. It's all an allusion.

Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 06, 2015 01:23 PM (OmVhU)

You're really missing out then. All the stuff that used to be considered on the basis of objective truth is now subjected to each and every little fool's subjective interpretation. Each one as valid as the next.

Your objective truth is, of course, rayciss. And sexy. I mean, sexist. And ageist, and able-bodiedist, and heteronormitivist, and so on and so on and so forth.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 06, 2015 01:28 PM (TOk1P)

337 Wesley Clark "self--aggranizer".

Case closed.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 06, 2015 01:29 PM (mcm0N)

338 326: "Plus AF guys are smart enough to take the ring off. Outnumbered by insecure ROTCy types."

I've encountered a few AF Academy grads.

They were frequently saying "at the Academy, we learned..."

Seemed like they were trying to compensate for not making flight school. Total douche nozzles.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 06, 2015 01:29 PM (z/vX9)

339 The attempt to label all Republicans as liars is cover fire for Hillary.

I remember in the 90s the press was willing to overthrow everything to cover for Clinton.

Posted by: blaster at November 06, 2015 01:29 PM (VyOxI)

340
What Tommy V. said. That is, the distortion and brazenness of the "press" is reaching proportions that defy description.

Of course none of it would matter if our fellow "citizens" in fact merited that name - had some knowledge, did any thinking for themselves, understood anything about their country's history, constitution, or economics, or the world beyond their daily lives and the infantile garbage they lap up from NPR and the NYT.

There's been a lexicological crisis for years now. I recall that even in the years just after 9/11, several of my friends and colleagues were speechless to describe the behavior of many in the US (forget the rest of the world). Ten years later ..... we're at a stage beyond speechlessness. For which there is no good word, either.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 06, 2015 01:29 PM (QDnY+)

341 Re the sidebar link about Doctors Without Borders - yeah, they're shits. Especially the scandi ones. They love the terrorists ad hate the joos.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at November 06, 2015 01:29 PM (iQIUe)

342 Well, maybe I wouldn't, actually. I think I'd actually say I was told I could get a full ride at West Point by General Westmoreland.

Yeah ... I wouldn't say it the way Carson did (and certainly not write it that way) but the assurance from Westmoreland is close enough to actually being offered a full scholarship. I don't care what Politico thinks, if Westmoreland wanted someone to get a full scholarship to West Point there's no question that that kid would get a full scholarship to West Point.

Still, I do find it a bit odd that Carson would even bother to phrase it the way he did. No big deal. It's nothing like claiming that he was captain of the Hah-vahd swim team when he was never even on the swim team, but Carson has no need to embellish any of his record. It's certainly more than good enough as it stands.

I would like it if Carson released his SAT and MCAT scores to shut everyone up about anything concerning tis, anyway. That's one way to put a nice exclamation point on the end of this.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at November 06, 2015 01:29 PM (zc3Db)

343 Read a book a few years back that followed several West Point cadets during their college years.

The resumes - academics, athletic, extra-curricular - of the ones who actually made the cut and got in, were incredible.

Maybe there are a few political appointments of slackers but it was pretty humbling to see the high school track records.

Posted by: RM at November 06, 2015 01:30 PM (U3LtS)

344 Ben's looking a bit more human every day.

and I don't mean I didn't see him as human before, just a bit unworldly. I mean the guys a genius and is so calm it's unnerving.

Now he's showing a few human dents and scrapes, he's looking more like a guy you'd meet at a good party somewhere.

Cool but no a dick, smart but not a wise ass Know it all.

This may help him more than hurt.

And I agree with the two paths seen so far for conservative Blacks trying for high office.

He's playing it smart.

The difference between a pro and an amateur? The pro knows how to fix his/her mistakes.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 06, 2015 01:30 PM (Xo1Rt)

345 335: "Why are you picking on a 100% black man and not a half black man?""

I would pay damn good money to see that in a presser/interview.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 06, 2015 01:30 PM (z/vX9)

346 >>> One of the LIV idiots, Raven whatever, accused Carly of never discussing any issues. *head-desk*

Coulter's retort to Raven Symone (was the baby on Cosby show back in the day) about the dumb Watermelon themed name she made up was priceless. If Carly was half as good as Coulter it will be worthy of popcorn.

Weren't there rumors they were courting Mary Katherine Ham or Dana Loesch to be a View lady? Now THAT would be fun TV. But the other lefty ladies would never allow it so will never happen.

Posted by: LizLem at November 06, 2015 01:31 PM (hvf9s)

347 337
Wesley Clark "self--aggranizer".

Case closed.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 06, 2015 01:29 PM (mcm0N)

There is a name I had thankfully forgotten, a self righteous pompous asshole giving Jews a bad name.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 06, 2015 01:31 PM (jJRIy)

348 Rush played a clip of Carson getting feisty w/CNN's Alison Camorata when she asked him about stabbing incident. He brought up how they don't vet Obama and Hillary.

Alison claimed they did vet O by mentioning the composite GF (wasn't that after 2008?). Carson told her she needed to ask other candidates about lying, such as Hillary's lies about Benghazi.
Sounded good to me, but may have left a different impression if you watch it.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 06, 2015 01:31 PM (NOIQH)

349 How about vetting the bios of the staff of Politico? I'm sure that would be fascinating.

Posted by: Stu-22 at November 06, 2015 01:31 PM (RMOpc)

350 It seems Carson stretched the truth to make himself look better. He does that a lot, in subtle ways, in my view.

He has this attitude, that he did brain surgery, he can figure out this "CEO for a Superpower" thing on the fly. But then he keeps showing he is pretty awkward in his messaging, like the "come out of prison gay" thing, or criticizing Trump for not being the right type of Christian, or other stumbles.

Obama fulfilled the letter of the law by being born in Hawaii, but being raised anti-American and partly in Indonesia destroyed the intent part of that requirement. Carson's radical history of youthful violence does not disqualify him, but there is permanent "mental scar tissue" that changes a person's nature, and other deep seated qualities that didn't properly develop.

So Carson has "issues", even if he has self "remediated" the worst of them. But if there are still signs that he is compensating, or not quite honest, that hurts his best virtues. His quiet low energy persona strikes me as more smug than confident. But if he'd close the borders and say no to amnesty, he's better than Rubio or any Democrat.

Trump is perceived as having the ego problem, but much of that is pushing the brand. He has a lot of bona fides. Carson's ego "problem" may be more problematic, in seeking such high executive office with little more executive experience than Obama. idk, we'll see.

Posted by: Illiniwek at November 06, 2015 01:32 PM (1XT+t)

351 I would like it if Carson released his SAT and MCAT scores to shut everyone up about anything concerning this, anyway.

---------

I never took no MCATs, no sir. I came up the hard way, just cuttin' on a man till I got it right.

Posted by: Alternate Universe Ben Carson at November 06, 2015 01:32 PM (VAsIq)

352 "trying to compensate for not making flight school"

I dunno, I drove passed the AF Academy one afternoon and there was a fleet of Cessnas circling the airfield doing touch and goes.

Maybe it was an elective.

Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 06, 2015 01:32 PM (OmVhU)

353 Does he really have a medical degree?
----
ouch - falsifying a military record?
----
I seriously think he has some kind of personality disorder or mental illness.
----
Whoa. the guy clearly has some significant mental health problems.

Hillary! 2016

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at November 06, 2015 01:32 PM (fWAjv)

354 Carson is responding in a good way. This will not end his campaign.

Posted by: blaster at November 06, 2015 01:34 PM (VyOxI)

355 Nip Sip

Shit my phone dropped the aggrandizer.

Anyways-- I actually blanked out on his name there for a minute --too.

Posted by: Danube River Guide at November 06, 2015 01:34 PM (mcm0N)

356 OT: Well, I'll be go to Hell.

According to the sheriff the suspect intended to shoot people, attack a police office and had a specific target in mind who had kicked him out of a study group. The suspect listed students by name. He had planned to tie students to desks and draw out police to steal a gun and shoot people.

The sheriff said this is not terrorism, just a step above a high school grudge, but the suspect did praise Allah in his writings.

-
High school grudge. Nothing to see here. Move along.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 06, 2015 01:35 PM (XUKZU)

357 Looks like Carson's camp has already admitted to this. Pretty rough, because these are the sorts of things that sink campaigns, especially ones built on trust/honesty of the candidate, like Carson's is.

Posted by: CanadianCommie at November 06, 2015 12:21 PM (UstKm)

Justin, is that you?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 06, 2015 01:35 PM (0yhH4)

358 "He understood it, he molded it, he made it a tough path to citizenship," Schumer said. "But we all agreed to it, and it would have to be a tough path to citizenship. But he was all for it. "

Posted by: #TheCriminalHillaryClinton at November 06, 2015 01:36 PM (e8kgV)

359 I am still convinced (actually more than ever) that Governor Bush will take the oath of office in 2017.

Posted by: Begonia at November 06, 2015 01:04 PM (7siX+)

Man, would share that dope? I have glaucoma, yeah that's it, and I need some relief.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 06, 2015 01:36 PM (jJRIy)

360 So Politico is suggesting that he was denied acceptance because he was black?

And the MSM is suggesting he is not Presidential material because he did NOT attempt to stab someone?

Now I understand why Harry Reid is considered as morally qualified to hold public office.

Posted by: Joey Choo Choo. Paste sticks for all my friends at November 06, 2015 01:36 PM (ptqRm)

361 249: "and just be a good person."
I would disagree with that being a requirement.
Either that, or all of the ring knockers I met were mysteriously transformed after their graduation.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 06, 2015 01:14 PM (z/vX9)
You have never met my father or my brother, then. Finer men this country has not seen.

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at November 06, 2015 01:36 PM (dQJCS)

362 "I dunno, I drove passed the AF Academy one afternoon and there was a fleet of Cessnas circling the airfield doing touch and goes. "

That's kinda what they do. These are college airmen going through basic. If so inclined, being taught the basics of flight. They won't see a T-38 for some time.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 06, 2015 01:36 PM (ZgQOx)

363 These threads seem to draw out concern trolls in droves.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 06, 2015 01:37 PM (FsuaD)

364 Si why is his "campaign admitting his story was fabricated".

I'm confused.

I'm also a little sick of shitholes like Politico making shit up. I have not read that site since they did this to Michael Steels.

Frankly, I think their reporters are racists.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 06, 2015 01:37 PM (GGCsk)

365 249: "and just be a good person."
I would disagree with that being a requirement.
Either that, or all of the ring knockers I met were mysteriously transformed after their graduation.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 06, 2015 01:14 PM (z/vX9)

You have never met my father or my brother, then. Finer men this country has not seen.

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at November 06, 2015 01:37 PM (dQJCS)

366 Plus, she was in NH. Joyless Behar accused her of being thin-skinned, because their digs at her were "comedic."

I just caught the last segment (thanks to you!) but what I saw was contentious ending with "you sorta kinda won our respect and please come to the studio in person".

At least that's how I read it. I don't understand girls at all, let alone harridans.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 06, 2015 01:37 PM (1xUj/)

367 They fucked with the wrong little momma.

http://goo.gl/kSJo9Q

Posted by: maddogg at November 06, 2015 01:37 PM (xWW96)

368 And why would you link this garbage if you question the veracity?

Posted by: Marcus T at November 06, 2015 01:37 PM (GGCsk)

369 352: "I dunno, I drove passed the AF Academy one afternoon and there was a fleet of Cessnas circling the airfield doing touch and goes.

Maybe it was an elective."

AF Services/MWR runs a very active aero club.

In addition, many Academy grads end up in non-flying career paths.

Maintenance Officer, Supply Officer, Security Police, Services, etc., etc.

You'd be surprised at how little of the Air Force actually does any flying.

Comparatively speaking of course.

Being a ring knocker in the AF pretty much guarantees promotion and social mobility. Regardless of the career field. Kind of like traditional Ivy League schools.

It does not guarantee competence or good character.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 06, 2015 01:38 PM (z/vX9)

370 If you get into Yale, and Westmoreland says you'll get an appointment, then you'll get in, if you apply.

I believe if you get into West Point, Uncle Sam pays the freight, no matter who you are, if you do your 4-5 years post-graduation.

Sounds to me he would have gotten in, and would, by definition, get a 'scholarship', as all do...

Posted by: phreshone at November 06, 2015 01:38 PM (12kBq)

371 I killed a guy with a trident once. When I was nine.

Posted by: Ben Carson, Outlaw Pediatrician at November 06, 2015 01:38 PM (u5gzz)

372 Alison claimed they did vet O by mentioning the composite GF (wasn't that after 2008?). Carson told her she needed to ask other candidate

I would have countered with "if they HAD vetted O" he would have never been elected. College transcripts, Connecticut SS number, grandmother stating she was present at his birth in Kenya, copy of his birth cert.

Obola is class of '61. I am class of '62. I was able to get mine from Missouri. Nothing wonky about mine.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 06, 2015 01:38 PM (xP7rZ)

373 359: "Man, would share that dope? I have glaucoma, yeah that's it, and I need some relief."

I told y'all that there must be something in that Florida water.

Just look at the police blotter.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 06, 2015 01:39 PM (z/vX9)

374 Maybe it was an elective.Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 06, 2015 01:32 PM (OmVhU)

My former brother-in-law's son attends the AF Academy.My nephewwants to be a fighter pilot like his dad but toldmy sonthat a few of his classmates were MIT genius-types recruited on the basis of their (in his view superhuman) mathematical abilities. The Air Force wouldn't want to risk such rare, valuable people in flight school.

Posted by: troyriser at November 06, 2015 01:39 PM (UWlp+)

375 For What It Is Worth:

You don't get offered a scholarship to West Point like you do Harvard. You pay to go to Harvard, unless you are so shit hot they are willing to waive the tuition.

All students/cadets at West Point attend free of charge. There is no tuition charged to any West Point cadets/students.

Posted by: EFG at November 06, 2015 01:39 PM (C+qQ0)

376 I am still convinced (actually more than ever) that Governor Bush will take the oath of office in 2017.

Posted by: Begonia at November 06, 2015 01:04 PM

I find your faith concerning

Posted by: Darth Vader at November 06, 2015 01:40 PM (ZQfW9)

377 Sad about this.

The double standard on honesty in DC:

When found guilty of anything, Republicans resign.

When found guilty of anything, Democrats are re-elected.

The MSM applies this double standard as Journalism 101: vet to grade school a Republican. With Democrats, does not matter if they meet the standards of office, have missing years and documents, help elect them.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at November 06, 2015 01:40 PM (eXl9F)

378 Florida is like fly paper; it attracts the crazies. They don't like the cold or something.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 06, 2015 01:40 PM (Xo1Rt)

379 361: "You have never met my father or my brother, then. Finer men this country has not seen."

Good character not being a requirement does not prevent those with good character from entering.

Meeting all the assholes of the world does not mean that everyone is an asshole.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 06, 2015 01:41 PM (z/vX9)

380 Azenogoth, you have almost completely shit yourself in public here, but, please.
Keep squeezing.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 06, 2015 01:41 PM (xq1UY)

381 So who do you trust? Someone who so obviously appears to have serious issues with the truth, or a trusted and respected public servant such as Mrs. Clinton? It appears that The Right Wing Hate Machine will have to find another token minority to hide behind!

Posted by: Real Everyday American at November 06, 2015 01:42 PM (EDYaR)

382 That's kinda what they do. These are college airmen
going through basic. If so inclined, being taught the basics of
flight. They won't see a T-38 for some time.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 06, 2015 01:36 PM (ZgQOx)

So my youngest son when to The University of The South, yes in Sewanee TN

He calls me up and say he wants to take a special PE class, I said sure.
Pilot training. The school has an airport on campus. I am sure you can guess that the "special class" was NOT free.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 06, 2015 01:42 PM (jJRIy)

383 We still don't have Obama's college records. Nor do we have any explanation how he went from Occidental to Ivy League.

But you go, Politico. Go after a guy who is probably,y one of the smartest people ever to run for president and make shit up and speculate how a guy that smart would not be guaranteed a spot a West Point.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 06, 2015 01:42 PM (GGCsk)

384 I hadn't realized that Political was so racist.

I need to re-evaluate my benefit of the doubt giving paradigm.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at November 06, 2015 01:42 PM (BZAd3)

385 It's already been said, but I'll say it again - to be intellectually honest, you should care if a person is lying, no matter the party. The level of the lie also matters (white lies v. coal black lies). But after 8 years of obvious truths about Barry, Hillary, et al. being completely ignored or actively opposed by the media, I can't allow the media to be the arbiters of truth.

Case in point, the article- this is steaming bull shit - Policto is trying to damn him as a liar with pants constantly on fire with regard to use of words . My nephew (also a top ROTC student) is a graduate of West Point, being nominated to attend by President Bush. After background checks, he was accepted formally. His attendance was fully funded by the Army, in exchange for four years of military service afterward. He's currently in Year 2 post graduation as a 2nd Lt.. When he was accepted "provisionally", the college fund my brother saved for years became found money. So did my nephew get a "full scholarship"? Technically no. Was his whole education there paid for? Yes. So int he conventional sense, did he get a full ride (which is what the average person calls a full scholarship)? Yes. Hell, I called it a full ride.

And Carson is saying the General told him under the table that he'd be be a shoe in. No shit - given Carson's stats that's completely believable. But Carson didn't apply. So West Point has no formal application. Doesn't mean the General didn't tell him that, or that he wasn't qualified. Are we to believe that a top ROTC student wouldn't have had that chance?

Get back to me when the "lie" got people killed or affects his eligibility to be President.

Posted by: Saltydonnie at November 06, 2015 01:43 PM (i6shs)

386 >>My parents almost named me Selma because that's where I was conceived.

- Barack Obama

Did they think Porta John was too formal?

Posted by: Aviator at November 06, 2015 01:43 PM (c7vUv)

387
All students/cadets at West Point attend free of charge. There is no tuition charged to any West Point cadets/students.

Posted by: EFG at November 06, 2015 01:39 PM (C+qQ0)

AND you get paid!

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 06, 2015 01:43 PM (jJRIy)

388 I think it is cute that MSM is up to old tricks.

If Carson were being scored on traditional politics he would be doing worse than Pataki not running first or second.

Posted by: blaster at November 06, 2015 01:43 PM (VyOxI)

389 Hell of a thread or what?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 06, 2015 01:43 PM (ZgQOx)

390 He calls me up and say he wants to take a special PE class, I said sure. Pilot training. The school has an airport on campus. I am sure you can guess that the "special class" was NOT free.

$120.00 an hour?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 06, 2015 01:44 PM (xP7rZ)

391 Well, I thought it was pretty cool seeing those Cessnas at the Academy. I only had a few seconds, but they had a full pattern.

One on final, one on the runway, one climbing out, another turning left, two on the what do you call it return path, one turning left onto base leg?.

All maintaining a precise separation interval.

Rockie mountains in the back ground behind the buildings. Go Air Force! I was north bound on I-15.

Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 06, 2015 01:44 PM (OmVhU)

392 380: "Azenogoth, you have almost completely shit yourself in public here, but, please.
Keep squeezing."

That might be cause for concern. If I had any idea what you were referring to.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 06, 2015 01:44 PM (z/vX9)

393 364 Si why is his "campaign admitting his story was fabricated".

I'm confused.

I'm also a little sick of shitholes like Politico making shit up. I have not read that site since they did this to Michael Steels.

Frankly, I think their reporters are racists.

Posted by: Marcus T at November 06, 2015 01:37 PM (GGCsk)

The campaign never 'admitted the story was fabricated.' That is an outright lie by Politico and the hacktastic fuckdoodle Kyle Cheney.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at November 06, 2015 01:45 PM (fWAjv)

394 Meeting all the assholes of the world does not mean that everyone is an asshole.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 06, 2015 01:41 PM (z/vX9)
You are, of course, correct. Also they are USNA, so.................just saying, heh

Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at November 06, 2015 01:45 PM (dQJCS)

395 Erick Erickson has already begun the process of digging the grave on Carson's campaign because of this.

Yes because We must panic like a bunch of little pantywaists...

Now auditioning for that next pull your dress over your head and scream slot at NRO.

Posted by: DaveA at November 06, 2015 01:46 PM (DL2i+)

396 O/T

Husband is competing in a chili cook-off this weekend with buddies.

He came home early from work to get stuff together.

Brought some bhut jolokia hot peppers in from the deck...and chopped them finely in my mini-Cuisinart.

We both coughed for a good 10 minutes from the fumes. I've got the door to the screened porch open trying to air this end of the house out.

Eyes still burning, nose running, and coughing. Ugh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 06, 2015 01:46 PM (FsuaD)

397 My parents almost named me Selma because that's where I was conceived.

- Barack Obama

My parents sent me to Occidental cuz that's how I was conceived--on occident.

Posted by: Pres'nt Obama at November 06, 2015 01:47 PM (VAsIq)

398 Politico is going to blow this whole "I was sort of offered a scholarship informally" scandal wide open.

Carson is DONE. This is way worse than palling around with terrorists or telling grieving widows a politically convenient tale about a video. This is SERIOUS.

Plus, I heard he's demanding we put all our grain in PYRAMIDs.

He MUST be STOPPED.

Posted by: TallDave at November 06, 2015 01:47 PM (74ZYB)

399 I was north bound on I-15.

Maybe I 25.

Posted by: Ronster at November 06, 2015 01:48 PM (mUa7N)

400 political instincts are nearly worthless, so take this for what it's worth.

Posted by: And then there were 14 at November 06, 2015 12:35 PM (Y8P5w)

Man, there sure are a metric fuckton of never-before-seen nics on this thread, all concern trolling. Seems like a coordinated effort. And they all talk like fags, and their shit's retarded.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 06, 2015 01:49 PM (0yhH4)

401 Politico's little narrative just blew the f*** up.

Not according to the ever reliable CNBC. CARSON LIED!!!! Oh and the job market/economy has never ever been better

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 06, 2015 01:49 PM (493sH)

402 394: "You are, of course, correct. Also they are USNA, so.................just saying, heh"

I had the great fortune to have a very rewarding career. The price it seems I had to pay was to have to put up with an inordinate amount of bad officers.

Out of my entire career, I only met one officer that I respected. Lt. Col. Schultz.

That man I would follow into hell. And stay there with.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 06, 2015 01:49 PM (z/vX9)

403 >>I hadn't realized that Political was so racist.

The 100+ stories on Herman Cain alleged affairs with (conveniently) a Chicago neighbor of David Axelrod didn't convince you?

Posted by: Lizzy at November 06, 2015 01:49 PM (NOIQH)

404 Eyes still burning, nose running, and coughing. Ugh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 06, 2015 01:46 PM (FsuaD)

Didn't get past my lips before I threw it.

Nope nope nope

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at November 06, 2015 01:49 PM (fWAjv)

405 I mean, I don't care but I just read a bit.

This is so fucking dishonest and stupid.

1. you need a nomination from someone in govt to get you into west point.

2. Very high ranked members of govt have their own personal picks for nominations. It's part of their job purview.

3. If Westmoreland says I can get you in, you're in. He would've gotten Vice President or Sec. Army to give official nomination.

done, end of story.

fucking libtard dipshit media knows nothing.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at November 06, 2015 01:49 PM (Cqbu0)

406 As I have told the story many times here in the past year, a recruiter CAME TO MY DOOR asking for my daughter. Daughter would not talk to him. Respectfully, I went outside and talked to said recruiter and informed him that kid was not interested in military. Still do not know where the guy got her test scores.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 06, 2015 01:49 PM (MIKMs)

407 I was north bound on I-15.

Maybe I 25.
Posted by: Ronster at November 06, 2015 01:48 PM

Typo.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 06, 2015 01:50 PM (OmVhU)

408 Another High Tech Lynching?

Posted by: Clarence T at November 06, 2015 01:51 PM (bv//4)

409 Respectfully, I went outside and talked to said recruiter and informed him that kid was not interested in military. Still do not know where the guy got her test scores.
********
I had a contractor bag full of unsolicited college apps, prospectives. They know just like everyone knows.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at November 06, 2015 01:51 PM (Cqbu0)

410 >>Politico's little narrative just blew the f*** up.

I don't know how widespread it is, but I would think that the whole Trump phenomenon would indicate that there are a lot of people who are attracted to the candidate the MSM/Left tells them are a no-go. Attacking Carson may not be as effective as elections past.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 06, 2015 01:51 PM (NOIQH)

411 406: " Still do not know where the guy got her test scores.'

The schools release them, unless the parents check the "do not release" check block on the school forms packet.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 06, 2015 01:51 PM (z/vX9)

412 The campaign never 'admitted the story was fabricated.' That is an outright lie by Politico and the hacktastic fuckdoodle Kyle Cheney.

-
Politico gonna Politico.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 06, 2015 01:52 PM (XUKZU)

413 BING CROSBY WANTS GRAIN IN NUCLEAR PYRAMID SILOS?

Posted by: Al Sharpton at November 06, 2015 01:52 PM (VAsIq)

414 400
political instincts are nearly worthless, so take this for what it's worth.

Posted by: And then there were 14 at November 06, 2015 12:35 PM (Y8P5w)

Man, there sure are a metric fuckton of never-before-seen nics on this thread, all concern trolling. Seems like a coordinated effort. And they all talk like fags, and their shit's retarded.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 06, 2015 01:49 PM (0yhH4)

I noticed that, too. So is this team Hillary? Team GOPe/Jeb? Any guesses?

Posted by: rebel flounder at November 06, 2015 01:52 PM (3dOE/)

415 Politicunts lied about the campaign admission.

fcukedity fcuk fcuk.

What's that the Gellman Amnesia effect?

I can understan them twisting the facts or hiding the facts but when they know that they're stone lying and it can be shown that they are, you'd think they'd have enough sense to not do it.

But they don't because they are never punished for their lies.

Somehow, in some way, a way to punish false stories must be developed.

And not something that takes months or years to prove through the courts.

The media is directly responsible for the majority of the insanity in the country. Half the people know they're being lied to but they can never be sure when. And the other half thinks everything they're told it the truth.

WE'RE BEING FCUKED WITH on a daily basis.

And I was raised back when young people were taught to think and reason. That doesn't happen in school anymore. Anyone who can owes their parents a debt of gratitude because the public schools aren't doing their job. They just create more pliable subjects.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 06, 2015 01:52 PM (Xo1Rt)

416 This is so fucking dishonest and stupid.

1. you need a nomination from someone in govt to get you into west point.

2. Very high ranked members of govt have their own personal picks for nominations. It's part of their job purview.

3. If Westmoreland says I can get you in, you're in. He would've
gotten Vice President or Sec. Army to give official nomination.

done, end of story.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at November 06, 2015 01:49 PM (Cqbu0)

-----
Yep. I think this is akin to "Cruz can't carry a firearm safely!!!" Politicio didn't think that through - reading the article, I expected this huge (yuge?) lie to stare at me, but it was a nothing-burger. Hair splitting at best.

Posted by: Saltydonnie at November 06, 2015 01:52 PM (i6shs)

417 $120.00 an hour?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 06, 2015 01:44 PM (xP7rZ)

I seriously don't remember, but I thought it was pretty reasonable at the time. He got his visual license, but hasn't had the time to get his instrument license.

Tried to figure it out, but it's been eight years since he took the course

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 06, 2015 01:52 PM (jJRIy)

418 In vetting an inspirational story of American success Politico has lied to achieve a political hit. Worthy of only the lowest political partisan, Politico twists words and selectively quotes to make a flawed claim look stronger, and all this in an attempt to diminish a fine man of fantastic credentials.

Carson's should have made up characters in his autobiography (Obama) claimed to have been turned down by the Marines (Cankles), or to have fought for years in Vietnam (Conn. Sen. Blumenthal).

Those are actual claims Politico excused as not important "misspeaking". Of course, those were Democrats lies they were excusing. This poorly worded true statement from Carson they want to treat like a junk yard dog with a beef bone.

Posted by: MTF at November 06, 2015 01:53 PM (TxJGV)

419 http://tinyurl.com/nalc9fv

Ben's campaign's refutation at Daily Caller.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 06, 2015 01:53 PM (Xo1Rt)

420 I am convinced, now more than ever; that nobody needs more than ten rounds to kill a deah! I can do it with one swig of this!

[offers bottle in paper bag]

Posted by: Hobo with a bag, Democrat pollster at November 06, 2015 01:54 PM (oszQO)

421 He should try ducking Bosnian sniper fire.

Posted by: Hillary! (As in "Sir Edmund") at November 06, 2015 01:54 PM (sspT/)

422 >>I hadn't realized that Political was so racist.

Maybe we should call it PolitiKKKo?

They sure like to pick on the uppity Black Men. Just like their Democrat buddies with the robes and burning crosses.

Posted by: rd at November 06, 2015 01:55 PM (bv//4)

423

Politico's little narrative just blew the f*** up.

filthy animals
I can't wait to see more democrats being ousted in every walk of life.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 06, 2015 01:56 PM (qCMvj)

424 Posted by: MTF at November 06, 2015 01:53 PM (TxJGV)

At the end of the day, I don't think they scored a hit.

They've puked all over THEMSELVES and revealed their bias in no uncertain terms.

Now if only more Black folks could/would see this story.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 06, 2015 01:56 PM (Xo1Rt)

425 Maybe we should call it PolitiKKKo?

-
That's actually an excellent idea.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 06, 2015 01:57 PM (XUKZU)

426 Hey is the View over? How did Carly do?

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 06, 2015 01:59 PM (jJRIy)

427 Hey, remember when Katie Couric asked Palin what she reads and Palin paused before saying that she reads the same thing Couric reads?

Then the press and half of our own went into a frenzy seriously asking if she even knew how to read?

Yeah, good times.

Posted by: jwest at November 06, 2015 01:59 PM (Zs4uk)

428 But Hillary was going to join the Marines, she was named after Sir Edmund Hilary , dodged sniper fire and was a hell of a commodities trader. And If it wasn't for damn Jew bastards she would have been President by now.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at November 06, 2015 02:00 PM (0XyIg)

429 Maybe we should call it PolitiKKKo?

-

That's actually an excellent idea.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 06, 2015 01:57 PM

I agree. AoSHQ Style Guide update? What sayeth Teh Horde?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 06, 2015 02:00 PM (ttnnR)

430 As Insty pointed out, I sure as shit never saw Political or any other MFM organization go through Obama's books with a fine toothed comb, despite the fact that he completely invented an imaginary girlfriend.

Posted by: radar at November 06, 2015 02:01 PM (kQfqk)

431 Maybe we should call it PolitiKKKo?

-

That's actually an excellent idea.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 06, 2015 01:57 PM

I agree. AoSHQ Style Guide update? What sayeth Teh Horde?

Aye

Posted by: rickb223 at November 06, 2015 02:01 PM (xP7rZ)

432 The schools release them, unless the parents check the "do not release" check block on the school forms packet.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 06, 2015 01:51 PM (z/vX9)
___________

She (and I) were very careful about the 'no release' stuff. At our high school, the recruiting has been out of control for years so we were very aware and pretty sophisticated about applications.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 06, 2015 02:01 PM (MIKMs)

433 429:"I agree. AoSHQ Style Guide update? What sayeth Teh Horde?"

Seconded.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 06, 2015 02:01 PM (z/vX9)

434 Get your barf bag out.

PC comes to the mall, no more Christmas trees, might offend those people.

http://tinyurl.com/q6c2pjv

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 06, 2015 02:01 PM (jJRIy)

435 This thread is dead.
we have moved on.

The science is settled.
The debate is over.

Nothing more to say.

Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at November 06, 2015 02:01 PM (OmVhU)

436 But then he keeps showing he is pretty awkward in his messaging, like the "come out of prison gay" thing, or criticizing Trump for not being the right type of Christian, or other stumbles.

The thing is, awkward actually sells these days. The more of an everyman you seem to be, the better people like you. Look at info shows, stuff on TV Booze Traveler, Bizarre Foods, Mike Rowe's shows. They aren't the experts, they're guys traveling around being a proxy for you, learning and experiencing things. Being perfectly spoken and right all the time and knowing everything turns off modern viewers and voters. It makes them feel inferior and detatched.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 06, 2015 02:02 PM (39g3+)

437 So what about Ob+mao's 'some guy in the neighborhood' buddy who liked pipe bomb makers so much he married one.

Posted by: torabora at November 06, 2015 02:02 PM (RXJae)

438 Nood

Posted by: rickb223 at November 06, 2015 02:02 PM (xP7rZ)

439 Good thing Hillary is so honest and not corrupt at all.

Can you imagine...?

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at November 06, 2015 02:02 PM (BZAd3)

440 Nood Carson.

Posted by: rebel flounder at November 06, 2015 02:02 PM (3dOE/)

441 It's all in the media spin.

I don't see a lie at all. I see someone telling a story from when he was young. None of us go in to explicit details, but tell the jist from our point of view... for instance my husband was offered a position to clerk for a federal judge, he turned it down... is there a record? No, because he had a phone conversation with a professor who pretty much guaranteed that if he applied he'd get the position. Would it be a lie to say he turned down the opportunity? I think it is true to say that. And we have often wondered what difference that would have made in the long run of our lives. But did he technically even get the offer? No. He did not.

It would be more accurate for Carson to clarify that he felt he could have gotten the scholarship but decided to go another direction with his life. Which at the time felt as though he were turning it down.

But Hillary flat out lies to the parents of the dead, in the presence of their bodies, and the press cheers!

What a double standard.

Posted by: petunia at November 06, 2015 02:03 PM (VoCyE)

442 434 Get your barf bag out.

PC comes to the mall, no more Christmas trees, might offend those people.

http://tinyurl.com/q6c2pjv

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 06, 2015 02:01 PM (jJRIy)

They could do a 2fer....make it a melting glacier

Posted by: Doom Rider at November 06, 2015 02:03 PM (ck8TA)

443 They say @politico, more like #PolitiKKKo

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at November 06, 2015 02:03 PM (Cqbu0)

444 Don't let Drudge get away with being a dishonest fuck head also.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at November 06, 2015 02:03 PM (0XyIg)

445 She (and I) were very careful about the 'no release'
stuff. At our high school, the recruiting has been out of control for
years so we were very aware and pretty sophisticated about applications.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 06, 2015 02:01 PM

After I got my acceptance letter from Hudson High, I actually had recruiters calling me trying to talk me into enlisting instead. I'm thinking their numbers must not have been very good that quarter.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 06, 2015 02:04 PM (ttnnR)

446 classified rules are for little people

Posted by: hillerah at November 06, 2015 02:04 PM (RXJae)

447 432:"She (and I) were very careful about the 'no release' stuff. At our high school, the recruiting has been out of control for years so we were very aware and pretty sophisticated about applications."

Then you may have some grounds for grievance. Perhaps the school just released everybody's stuff while ignoring the waiver status? I got nothing past that.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at November 06, 2015 02:04 PM (z/vX9)

448 "And If it wasn't for damn Jew bastards she would have been President by now."

I never said "damn Jew bastards." Not a single time.

Now, "fuckin' Jew bastards" is another story entirely.

Posted by: Hillary! at November 06, 2015 02:04 PM (u5gzz)

449 Politico removes any doubt that they are a DNC hack PR machine, that will also carry GOPe water as it suits their purposes. Why blogs link to their shitty stories it beyond me except to poke fun and derision... that should be the only way.

I think a lot of folks actually perceive Politico as unbiased media outlet. That should be fully discounted and laughed at. These writers have an agenda. It's like linking to Huffpo or Slate or Reddit.

Posted by: Yip at November 06, 2015 02:05 PM (e7T6D)

450 Um, my dad went to West Point. You don't "apply" there, in the traditional sense. You get an appointment. And attendance is entirely free. (That was one of the big selling points for my dad, who came from a very poor family, and it's why he chose it over Harvard or Yale.)

There's a list of people who are eligible to make appointments -- congressmen and senators and the President are the main ones. I think there are a few others. I'd imagine if Westmoreland couldn't make an appointment himself, he'd have enough pull to get someone else to make one on your behalf. So if he says, "you're in," you're in.

This is all kind of complicated and perhaps Carson (or his ghostwriter) didn't want to explain it in detail. It's perfectly plausible that Carson might say he was "offered a full scholarship" as a simple shorthand to get the idea across without going into the specifics of the admission process.

Posted by: Ex-liberal at November 06, 2015 02:06 PM (XLZh6)

451 The stylebook changes by usage. Use it, and it's so.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at November 06, 2015 02:07 PM (evdj2)

452 This whole attack feels like either a Clinton or Trump machine job - or if some conspiracy theories are correct, the same operation.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 06, 2015 02:07 PM (39g3+)

453 Still do not know where the guy got her test scores.

Posted by: mustbequantum at November 06, 2015 01:49 PM (MIKMs)

High school counselors and SAT scores. Like all colleges get. Lord knows I was receiving information from many, many colleges and universities that I had never applied to or heard of back in my junior year.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Yo! The Outrage Outlet Wraps! at November 06, 2015 02:07 PM (hLRSq)

454 It's perfectly plausible that Carson might say he was "offered a full scholarship" as a simple shorthand to get the idea across without going into the specifics of the admission process.

Or his publicist thought that would be the best way to sell his story, make it sound interesting, give it pop, etc.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 06, 2015 02:11 PM (39g3+)

455 I guess Carson's situation was similar to mine. Offered a full ride at the Naval Academy and turned it down. I never had to apply either. I'm guessing Carson's test scores were also in the 99%ile across the board for him to be offered.

As a side note: I REALLY regret turning it down - yes, I would have been in the Iraq War, but now as an adult I can really contemplate the Honor it was. As a teenager you don't see that.

My son, just as intelligent, wants to be a Marine....I told him it would be a waste of his intelligence, but if he could go through an Academy first, then transfer, go ahead, but he would be best in intelligence so serve that way. I still think he would be a top spy but he has no interest.

Posted by: doug at November 06, 2015 02:12 PM (Dr884)

456 These pyramids are going to be very classy.

Posted by: King Imhoptrump at November 06, 2015 02:14 PM (o9BME)

457 What's really disappointing (but not surprising) is Erick Erickson leaping onto that story with complete and devoted glee.

Like he did with Trump.

Methinks Erick craves attention. Methinks he knows he's marginalizing himself and he doesn't know how to fix it so he's getting hysterical.

Calm the fcuk down Erick.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 06, 2015 02:16 PM (Xo1Rt)

458 Carson's point with the whole story was that he had plenty of places he could've gone but he knew he wanted to be a Doctor.

End of story.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at November 06, 2015 02:17 PM (Xo1Rt)

459 Had a similar situation back in the day. My dad was fairly connected. An AF General friend of his was pushing me to go to the AF Academy due my grades and athletics. Dad, the General and Daniel Moynihan (I said he was connected) had dinner and agreed I should fill out the application. Moynihan said it was a lock. I turned it down because being a Bronx boy (thought I was a tough guy), I knew I would not take hazing shit from some dumb fu%^. I have stated multiple times I turned down the AF Academy. No record of it. Irony alert, I joined the AF six years later.

Posted by: fish...the lowercase one at November 06, 2015 02:20 PM (4E9eO)

460 Note that this is right before the FBN debate and thus is teeing up the issue for "moderators" to question Carson on this.

This is probably a fed story from one of the other contenders--my personal guess is the same people who were around the Huntsman campaign in 2012 and for the same reasons. A certain candidate angling to be the Huntsman of 2016 has to break out soon or the national drop in poll ratings will cause exclusion for future debates.

Bottom dwellers in the race are more likely to feed oppo research to reporters to create turmoil because that is the only way that the race changes. Blowback and risk of retaliation usually deters those in the lead which is why Trump's campaign probably did not do this. It is high risk for little gain for him. Trump, like it or not, directly goes after his targets. I doubt Carson's campaign raised the issue in order to refute it/become a martyr.

Remember Huntsman's father told Harry Reid that Mitt Romney did not pay taxes. This is the sort of crap that that unprincipled weasels do.

Posted by: wg at November 06, 2015 02:21 PM (riCJ2)

461 Uh oh... Rush just went there. He described this as an electronic LYNCHING. Heh..

Posted by: Yip at November 06, 2015 02:24 PM (e7T6D)

462 I noticed that, too. So is this team Hillary? Team GOPe/Jeb? Any guesses?

Posted by: rebel flounder at November 06, 2015 01:52 PM (3dOE/)

Well, it's clearly coming from someone who feels Carson is an opponent who must be destroyed. It's not for me to speculate who that might be.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 06, 2015 02:32 PM (0yhH4)

463 My son, just as intelligent, wants to be a Marine.

Tell him to hold off and see if by some act of God a Republican is elected president first.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 06, 2015 02:40 PM (39g3+)

464 Since Fox News has it on their front page without even factchecking, it has to be coming from a GOPe candidate that they are in bed with. Rubio or Bush, or most likely the Chamber of Commerce itself.

Posted by: doug at November 06, 2015 02:40 PM (Dr884)

465 If redstate is jumping in on it, that cuts it down to Rubio or the Chamber (meaning one of them billionaires).....didn't one of those just switch to Rubio? Can you imagine the dirty dealing meeting:

Rubio: prove to me that you will be loyal.
GOPe big donor: Just watch the noon news tomorrow at noon.

Posted by: doug at November 06, 2015 02:44 PM (Dr884)

466 Hey, just checked - Westmoreland was not only a four star, but at one point, the Chief of Staff. So, the highest ranking person in the entire Army. Okay, so maybe he didn't have the nominating power? Believe it, he had the juice.

Posted by: algore at November 06, 2015 02:50 PM (kf1Nc)

467 Um, my dad went to West Point. You don't "apply" there, in the traditional sense. You get an appointment. And attendance is entirely free. (That was one of the big selling points for my dad, who came from a very poor family, and it's why he chose it over Harvard or Yale.)
*********
yup, I'm not even sure what Westmoreland was doing in that time frame but I'm assuming he had juice to get a nominaton.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at November 06, 2015 02:51 PM (Cqbu0)

468 Also, argue like a SJW libtard politico writer:

Smearing Ben with lies is hate speech as eveidence shows that it is leading to mounting violence against black by police. BLM!!!!@#!@!#$!

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at November 06, 2015 02:52 PM (Cqbu0)

469 I wonder who fed politico this little piece shit oppo research the hillbill campaign or jebby?

Posted by: Paulbegayla at November 06, 2015 02:56 PM (VAW1A)

470 No reason to be upset at this kind of thing; should be done with all the candidates for all their questionable stuff and background. Take the microscope to them all. Only reason to be concerned or frustrated is if they do it only to some and not all.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 06, 2015 03:18 PM (39g3+)

471 Check out the #BenCarsonLynching hashtag. Play along.

Posted by: Alisyn Camerota at November 06, 2015 03:22 PM (Ehazq)

472 >>>
8
What's this talk of a "full scholarship"? Isn't West Point (along with
the other service academies) entirely free if one is accepted,
regardless of ability to pay?

Even better -- THEY PAY YOU TO GO THERE.

Cadets (and Midshipman) are *paid* half of the current O-1 (Ensign, 2d Lieutenant, etc.) pay grade.

There are no "scholarships" at the academies. You're in the service.

Posted by: Phinn at November 06, 2015 03:36 PM (fCWi3)

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