Mitt Romney: Hey, Remember When I Said I Hated ObamaCare? Yeah, I'm Totally Taking Credit For It Now.

I try to limit my GOP bitching to one per day but I can't let this tidbit from late last week slide by.

In a Boston Globe obituary for Staples founder Thomas Stemberg, who died Friday at the age of 66, Romney attributed his focus on health care as governor to a conversation the two had shortly after his election. According to the Globe, the late businessman asked Romney why he ran for governor, to which he replied that he wanted to help people. In turn, Stemberg told Romney that the most effective way to accomplish his goals in that regard would be to ensure health-care access for everyone.
“Without Tom pushing it, I don’t think we would have had Romneycare,” said Romney, who helped Stemberg open the first Staples store in the 1980s with the backing of Bain Capital. “Without Romneycare, I don’t think we would have Obamacare. So, without Tom a lot of people wouldn’t have health insurance.”

First of all, ObamaCare didn't give a lot of people health insurance. It put a lot of people on welfare.

Of course Romney being Romney he promptly walked it all back.

Here's the thing, of course he's proud of RomneyCare and the role it played in setting the stage for ObamaCare. So much of Romney's 2012 message was based on the idea Republicans were too stupid to notice this.

To believe his walk back you have to believe that Romney eulogized his friend by saying, "without him there's no RomneyCare and therefore no ObamaCare which is totally awful and I just HATE IT SO MUCH! So when you think about it, my dear deceased friend whom I'm here to praise is really responsible for the plague on our nation we know as ObamaCare."

Anyone really think that's what Romney was doing? Now I'm sure there will be a few Romney dead-enders in the comments who say this is all perfect normal and how dare I accuse Romney of being anything but the severest of severe conservatives! But the rest of us know the truth...we were sold a bill of goods in 2012. And in 2014. And several times before that.

This year's presidential primary is simply the GOP reaping what's it's sown for so many years. Anyone tainted with the stink of GOP lies and failures is paying the price. Are Trump and Carson any better? No. The simple advantage they have is they haven't screwed people over....yet.

I know many Republicans are furious that these two candidates are doing so well and from their perspective are hijacking the party. But you know what? You can only screw people over and fail to deliver what you promised so many times before they decide to return the favor.

There's another debate this week and another chance for Team GOP to swoon over Rubio and pronounce Trump toast. Someday they might be right but after a few bad Iowa polls last week, Trump is surging in New Hampshire and South Carolina.

It's starting to get late to say it's still early.

Posted by: DrewM. at 12:05 PM

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1 Fucking Romney.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 26, 2015 12:06 PM (evdj2)

2 2nd?

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 26, 2015 12:07 PM (E5UB0)

3 I will admit to being less concerned since I stopped being a Republican, even in name only.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 26, 2015 12:08 PM (evdj2)

4 Same old same old...

Posted by: donna at October 26, 2015 12:08 PM (/dSsq)

5 I know many Republicans are furious that these two candidates are doing so well and from their perspective are hijacking the party. But you know what? You can only screw people over and fail to deliver what you promised so many times before they decide to return the favor.

Plus 10 percent.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 26, 2015 12:09 PM (8ZskC)

6 The 2012 Election called and it wants it's talking points back. Good grief. Thanks Romney!... idiot

Posted by: Yip at October 26, 2015 12:09 PM (e7T6D)

7 1 Fucking Romney.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 26, 2015 12:06 PM (evdj2)

Pack it in boys. It's full circle. It's over.

Posted by: HoboJerk at October 26, 2015 12:09 PM (bjHLG)

8 Drew's cynicism makes John Boehner cry.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 26, 2015 12:10 PM (8ZskC)

9 Tell me this isn't a Moron dream come true. Now if it would just hit earth.

http://goo.gl/IrMCm8

Posted by: maddogg at October 26, 2015 12:10 PM (xWW96)

10 And back to lurking....

Posted by: HoboJerk at October 26, 2015 12:10 PM (bjHLG)

11 The GOP is the Thalidomide brand of the political world.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 26, 2015 12:10 PM (8ZskC)

12 asked Romney why he ran for governor, to which he replied that he wanted to help people.>>>

These politicians are helping us all right. To poverty and an early death.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 26, 2015 12:11 PM (wrS2o)

13 Limit oneself to just one bitch a day about the GOPe?

I'd probably strain something.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 26, 2015 12:11 PM (gyKtp)

14
Fucking Romney, indeed.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 26, 2015 12:11 PM (pbBzW)

15 Mit, like da Zero, is exactly what I thought he was.

Posted by: maddogg at October 26, 2015 12:11 PM (xWW96)

16 He eulogizes like Obama.

Way to make it about you, dick.

Posted by: Chupacabra at October 26, 2015 12:12 PM (+hPIb)

17 What possible motive could he have anymore for saying this if he didn't really believe it? Is he really stupid enough to believe that OCare is a good thing?

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at October 26, 2015 12:12 PM (E5UB0)

18 What would you do without more federal legislation?

Posted by: Stuff William Wallace Never Said, vol. 3 at October 26, 2015 12:12 PM (8ZskC)

19 It was for the children.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at October 26, 2015 12:12 PM (8ZskC)

20 It was based on Romney Care.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 26, 2015 12:13 PM (8cEA7)

21 LEAVE MITT ALONE!

Posted by: Ann Coulter at October 26, 2015 12:13 PM (Ui7Rt)

22 Why stop there? Affordable Housing Act. Affordable Food Act.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 26, 2015 12:14 PM (8cEA7)

23 Shocked! I'm shocked I tell ya.

Posted by: Captain Renault at October 26, 2015 12:14 PM (lqmAz)

24
Sounds like Romney's biggest problem with ObamaCare is that the wrong person's name was at the beginning of the epithet.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 26, 2015 12:14 PM (u093l)

25 Who actually thought Romney was conservative though?

You can't have this both ways. Either the party is constantly pushing a RINO who is "electable" or they're pushing lying faux conservatives.
Yes we were sold a bill of goods: the bill of goods of an electable squish moderate.
The same bill of goods we were sold with McCain.

Maybe W was sold as a conservative, but honestly I don't remember how that went down 16 years ago.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at October 26, 2015 12:14 PM (tM4uk)

26 What we have here is a failure to communicate.

Posted by: Cool Thing Jeb at October 26, 2015 12:15 PM (E5UB0)

27 Mitt. Romney.

Posted by: Matt. Damon. at October 26, 2015 12:15 PM (NF2Bf)

28 Romney 2016

Because Now We Need Him, More Than Never

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 26, 2015 12:15 PM (gyKtp)

29 I speak Chinese.

Posted by: Jon Hunstsman at October 26, 2015 12:15 PM (8ZskC)

30 Yeah, instead of Zerocare, we coudda had us some Rinocare.

Posted by: maddogg at October 26, 2015 12:15 PM (xWW96)

31 And I voted for him in 2012. I should have wrote in someone.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at October 26, 2015 12:16 PM (E5UB0)

32 Mitt

another guy I was told I would HAVE to vote for

Carson is way ahead of Trump in Iowa, Iowa primary has been representative of nothing forever. GOPe was trying to remove or reduce the importance of the Iowa primary. Now its thier wubbie.

Rubio just sent out a tweet trashing Common Core. Jeb hardest hit

Posted by: ThunderB at October 26, 2015 12:16 PM (zOTsN)

33 Damn, your perspicacity sure is perspicacious sometimes.

Posted by: bour3 at October 26, 2015 12:16 PM (5x3+2)

34 Yeah, instead of Zerocare, we coudda had us some Rinocare.

No. Compassionate RINOcare.

Posted by: George H. W. Bush at October 26, 2015 12:16 PM (8ZskC)

35 As Obamacare starts its own death spiral with ever-fewer enrollees and ever-increasing costs.

Go away Mitt, you poxed bastard.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at October 26, 2015 12:16 PM (ppaKI)

36 Maybe the GOP has finally learned its lesson and we'll get a true conservative as nominee this time around.

Trump 2016! Yayyyy!

#singlepayer #Jesustakethewheel #Trumptards

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at October 26, 2015 12:17 PM (1RNgT)

37 @tsrlbke

My memories of that time were that "we" though Bush was wink-and-nodding at us when he was saying that whole compassionate conservative thing.

Come to find out, he was being straight with us.

Posted by: Chupacabra at October 26, 2015 12:17 PM (+hPIb)

38 they want Obama care to fail so Hillary or Bernie can institute single payer

Posted by: ThunderB at October 26, 2015 12:17 PM (zOTsN)

39 Why is Romney still talking?

Posted by: GBruno at October 26, 2015 12:18 PM (u49WF)

40 And once again, we never hear anything about a free-market solution nor the negative effects of socialized medicine.

#WASTF

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 26, 2015 12:18 PM (LUgeY)

41 Posted by: Chupacabra at October 26, 2015 12:17 PM (+hPIb

That's vaguely what I remember too.

The long and the short of then being that W was the last lie I think the party pushed as far as "conservative." The 2 since then have clearly been RINO squishes, always been RINO squishes.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at October 26, 2015 12:18 PM (tM4uk)

42 I remember all the Romney fans swearing that Obamacare isn't like Romneycare. And also that its not Romneycare because "It was all the democrats fault in the state and he needed to do something!"

Yeah, I imagine they will be somehow absent from this thread.

Posted by: buzzion at October 26, 2015 12:19 PM (zt+N6)

43 "I don't remember how that went down 16 years ago."

W didn't double down on his miscues. Also he had Cheney keeping him straight most of the time. Rove turned out to be the Dick. I give W a solid D minus. :-)

Posted by: just saying at October 26, 2015 12:20 PM (1uTkE)

44 #singlepayer #Jesustakethewheel #Trumptards

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at October 26, 2015 12:17 PM (1RNgT)

this is what I mean. I like Cruz, but this is just not persuasive. Dont advocate for a candidate you like, just call the most motivated right voters "retards"

we have the dems and the press for that

Posted by: ThunderB at October 26, 2015 12:20 PM (zOTsN)

45 If elected, I'll repeal Obamacare. By executive order.

*checks focus group data*

On the very first day of my presidency!

Posted by: El Gobernador Jeb Bush at October 26, 2015 12:20 PM (8ZskC)

46 something's fucky --bubbles

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at October 26, 2015 12:21 PM (0O7c5)

47 Cruz is running on repeal

Posted by: ThunderB at October 26, 2015 12:21 PM (zOTsN)

48 they want Obama care to fail so Hillary or Bernie can institute single payer

We'll call it BernieBucks - redeemable for antibiotics or a monthly ration of toilet paper, your choice.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at October 26, 2015 12:21 PM (ppaKI)

49 Mitt Romney flipflops on an obituary... just wow... I have no words.

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at October 26, 2015 12:22 PM (GY6v2)

50 And I voted for him in 2012. I should have wrote in someone.

As did a lot of us. Anyone would've been better than another term of TFG, I'm pretty sure.

I'm still convinced that election was rigged.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 26, 2015 12:22 PM (LUgeY)

51 Interestingly, 2000 was the last election that I was excited about.

Now I just go to bed before the returns start coming in.

Posted by: Chupacabra at October 26, 2015 12:22 PM (+hPIb)

52 "Carson is way ahead of Trump in Iowa, "
That is good. In any contested primary the Iowa winner always loses.

Posted by: just saying at October 26, 2015 12:22 PM (1uTkE)

53 Mitt proved conclusively what trash he was when he opposed RFRA in Arizona and jumped on the trash the confederate flag bandwagon. He's a big business social justice warrior and he only talks to try to fuck up the actual opposition to the uniparty.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 26, 2015 12:22 PM (Zm3Ne)

54
12 days from now is the 15th anniversary of the beginning of the Bush v Gore recount fiasco.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 26, 2015 12:22 PM (pbBzW)

55 The left has made American elections the equivalent of fingernails across a chalkboard.

Posted by: Soona at October 26, 2015 12:23 PM (Fmupd)

56 The obvious solution is millions of illiterate, naturally conservative immigrants who'll vote to repeal government benefits and support free market solutions.

Trump's silly "wall" would deny us those crucial voters.

Posted by: GOP sources say... at October 26, 2015 12:23 PM (Ui7Rt)

57
Is he really stupid enough to believe that OCare is a good thing?

It's based on "Romneycare," so the history books will have Mitt's name in a prominent place in the hagiographies of Dear Leader.

Also, being one of the 1%, Mitt and his various kin are utterly insulated from any of the "unintended consequences" of the legislation.

So, yes. He does believe it's a good thing. History called and he answered.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 26, 2015 12:23 PM (X6fMO)

58 Another day, another GOP disaster.

Posted by: BuckIV at October 26, 2015 12:23 PM (CLfqv)

59 No Labels. Yes Labels. Maybe Labels.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 26, 2015 12:23 PM (FkBIv)

60 I'm grateful to Romney for one thing, the huge disappointment that his campaign was convinced me to never play the two party game again, if Rs don't want to be a small govt party I'm more than happy to vote L, and it's not a protest vote because I don't care about the Republican Party anymore, it's a vote for people who'll push for the things I believe in.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at October 26, 2015 12:23 PM (C4AAQ)

61 "To help people" is a shitty reason to run for public office. There are numerous ways to help people yourself or through organizing help through *voluntary contributions.

"Helping" people with other people's money is not a sound reason for serving.

These jobs actually come with user manuals. The only written directive for these people is to "preserve and protect the Constitution."

Posted by: CJ at October 26, 2015 12:24 PM (9KqcB)

62 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at October 26, 2015 12:24 PM (GwIKd)

63 "Rubio just sent out a tweet trashing Common Core. Jeb hardest hit"

Next, Rubio will tweet in Spanish about how awesome Common Core is.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 26, 2015 12:25 PM (noWW6)

64 The problem with my son is the better part of him ran down his momma's leg when we were doing the wild thing.

And his momma loved to do the wild thing!

She loved to do the wild thing!

Wild thing!

Posted by: Zombie George M Romney at October 26, 2015 12:25 PM (D0NZx)

65 Fucking Romney.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 26, 2015 12:06 PM (evdj2)

Brevity is the soul of cromulentness. Nothing to add, nothing is needed. Just wanted to see it repeated.

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 26, 2015 12:25 PM (JO9+V)

66 I'm still convinced that election was rigged.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 26, 2015 12:22 PM (LUgeY)

So do I, FWIW.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at October 26, 2015 12:25 PM (szPB3)

67 I was paying attention and Bush was not sold as a conservative. He was running against freakin Gore, so there was NO question who to vote for. And how did Bush get the nomination? I'm trying to recall what conservative was running against him for the nomination. All I know is, after 8 years of graft and the Clinton media, it was time for the GOP.... anyone... to take over and try to restore a semblance of decency to the White House... and he did that.

Posted by: Yip at October 26, 2015 12:26 PM (e7T6D)

68 Two new live-person polls released just this morning has Carson +12 and Carson +14 over Trump in Iowa.

Trump has sank in the polls immediately after the last two debates. Two new debates in two weeks. Trump is in deep, deep trouble. DEEP TROUBLE.

Posted by: Greymarch at October 26, 2015 12:27 PM (cojlL)

69
Rush is savaging Romney on his desire to return to liberal dominance in media, and with republicans acquiescing to all liberal positions to gain a small piece of the pie.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at October 26, 2015 12:27 PM (OiFtZ)

70 Whoo boy is Rush ripping on Romney today

Posted by: Yo! at October 26, 2015 12:27 PM (GwIKd)

71 >>>they want Obama care to fail so Hillary or Bernie can institute single payer
.
.
.Yes they do, but it can't start failing until Obama is out of office so he doesn't get blamed for it. I guarantee you that if a Republican gets elected the failure of Obama care and the need for single payer will be front and center of every MSM outlet in the Country.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 26, 2015 12:28 PM (iONHu)

72 no body gives a rat fuck about Iowa and its primary

who gave us President Santorum and President Huckabee

Posted by: ThunderB at October 26, 2015 12:28 PM (zOTsN)

73 I'm still convinced that election was rigged.

Ohio is a key state.
Obama won 100% of the vote in 21 districts in Cleveland.
Ohio Dispatch says 1 in 5 registered voters in the state are ineligible to vote.
32 of 88 counties have over 90% voter registration.

This is what a rigged state looks like.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 26, 2015 12:28 PM (jhqr1)

74 Trump has sank in the polls immediately after the last two debates. Two new debates in two weeks. Trump is in deep, deep trouble. DEEP TROUBLE.

Your concern is noted.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 26, 2015 12:28 PM (LUgeY)

75 @73 this

Posted by: Yip at October 26, 2015 12:29 PM (e7T6D)

76 Tell My Daughter and Family how great mitt/obama care is.... The penalty for not carrying insurance for her family is 2% of gross income..... The premiums are nearly as high so no insurance.... Except the kids....

Posted by: donna at October 26, 2015 12:29 PM (/dSsq)

77 Who actually thought Romney was conservative though?

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at October 26, 2015 12:14 PM (tM4uk)
---
*cough*

Posted by: Ann Coulter, Hugh Hewitt, Petunia, JeffB, Crosspatch at October 26, 2015 12:29 PM (GY6v2)

78 >>>they want Obama care to fail so Hillary or Bernie can institute single payer

Imagine the cream to be skimmed off that cash cow!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 26, 2015 12:29 PM (FkBIv)

79 Fucking Romney.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 26, 2015 12:06 PM (evdj2)

And people still wonder why Trump is so frigging popular.........

Posted by: Bill H at October 26, 2015 12:30 PM (Baojj)

80 ~~Rodney!!~~ Romney!!

Posted by: Miller Lite Ex Pro Athlete Commercials at October 26, 2015 12:30 PM (JO9+V)

81 Whoo boy is Rush ripping on Romney today

Yep, that was great. I hope he's just getting warmed up.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 26, 2015 12:30 PM (LUgeY)

82 Romneycare among many things was the hardest thing for me to accept about Mitt. I voted for him, but my heart was never in it. I never gave him money, never wanted to. I never really talked to others about how great he was (or good). It doesn't make sense to bring all this up, except to say that as a voter, it is not enough to simply vote against someone. You have to want to vote for someone too. Romney didn't provide that. He was satisfactory to many, but few had passion for him. Perhaps it is better to find someone who has deep (if narrow) support and widen it from there - rather than the other way around.

Posted by: SH at October 26, 2015 12:30 PM (gmeXX)

83 How far off are we from the 'the Republican party left me' speech from Mitt 'I can get a sound bite' Romney?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 26, 2015 12:30 PM (Zm3Ne)

84 A group in Colorado has enough signatures for a ballot initiative to create single payer there. They want to skip directly from their failed CO co-op to the real deal. Estimated cost? $25 billion.

In Ohio, Kasich's Executive Order expanding OCare had a projected Medicaid enrollment expansion of 500k by 2020; it's already at nearly 650k and climbing steadily.

Thanks again, RomneyCare.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 26, 2015 12:30 PM (gyKtp)

85 Just found out that people at my work, if you make under a certain amount, under Obamacare you have to be paid overtime. The only options for your department is to either give you a raise so you get out of that income bracket, or to demote you entirely to hourly not salaried employee status. Guess which option they are choosing? It's not hard. I might be affected by this, am trying to find out.

And yes, this is entirely due to Obamacare rules. Thanks Obama!! And Romney!!

Posted by: LizLem at October 26, 2015 12:30 PM (hvf9s)

86 Imagine the cream to be skimmed off that cash cow!

Imagine? We have spreadsheets and powerpoints.

Posted by: The Chamber of Commerce at October 26, 2015 12:31 PM (8ZskC)

87 Don't forget about me!

Posted by: Hollowjoint at October 26, 2015 12:31 PM (hKyl0)

88 I was paying attention and Bush was not sold as a conservative. He was running against freakin Gore, so there was NO question who to vote for. And how did Bush get the nomination? I'm trying to recall what conservative was running against him for the nomination. All I know is, after 8 years of graft and the Clinton media, it was time for the GOP.... anyone... to take over and try to restore a semblance of decency to the White House... and he did that.

---------

Different election in a different time.

Posted by: SH at October 26, 2015 12:31 PM (gmeXX)

89 I feel so much better now that I don't have to call myself a republican any longer.

Conservative or nothing. Fvck Romney.

Posted by: GBruno at October 26, 2015 12:31 PM (u49WF)

90 Darn that Romney!

Posted by: Chris M at October 26, 2015 12:31 PM (k3w9p)

91 Ohio is a key state.
Obama won 100% of the vote in 21 districts in Cleveland.
Ohio Dispatch says 1 in 5 registered voters in the state are ineligible to vote.
32 of 88 counties have over 90% voter registration.

This is what a rigged state looks like.
Posted by: bonhomme

and Pot is on the ballot.

Posted by: Jean at October 26, 2015 12:32 PM (ztOda)

92
How far off are we from the 'the Republican party left me' speech from Mitt 'I can get a sound bite' Romney?

Wouldn't surprise me if the tone-deaf nickelfucker told us we "have nothing to fear from a Hillary presidency."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 26, 2015 12:32 PM (X6fMO)

93 Just looked. Our choices for GOP nom in 2000 were, Bush, McCain, Forbes, Bauer and Orin fucking Hatch. Yeah.... great bunch of conservatives there.

Posted by: Yip at October 26, 2015 12:32 PM (e7T6D)

94 I'm still convinced that election was rigged.

Which one? I'm beginning to wonder when the lock was put in...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at October 26, 2015 12:32 PM (9krrF)

95 In Ohio, Kasich's Executive Order expanding OCare had a projected Medicaid enrollment expansion of 500k by 2020; it's already at nearly 650k and climbing steadily.

Thanks again, RomneyCare.
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 26, 2015 12:30 PM (gyKtp)

Texas GOPe dream team is Rubio/Kasich

Posted by: ThunderB at October 26, 2015 12:32 PM (zOTsN)

96 Maybe the GOP has finally learned its lesson and we'll get a true conservative as nominee this time around.

Trump 2016! Yayyyy!

The GOP created this monster, now they have to live with it, or die with it.

Either or.

Posted by: Grump928(C) notes at October 26, 2015 12:32 PM (rwI+c)

97 Remember, Romney is currently from Massachusetts. Being a Massachusetts conservative is to the world of politics like being a British sprinter is to the world of track and field.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at October 26, 2015 12:33 PM (mBL57)

98 Still think Romney would have been better than prez than Preezy Ogabe.

But that's not saying much. Thanks again, 52%ers

Posted by: Soona at October 26, 2015 12:33 PM (Fmupd)

99 no body gives a rat fuck about Iowa and its primary

who gave us President Santorum and President Huckabee

Posted by: ThunderB at October 26, 2015 12:28 PM (zOTsN)

Iowa.....well my momma used to say if you can't say anything good about someplace just don't say nuthin.

Posted by: Zombie Radar O'Reilly at October 26, 2015 12:33 PM (D0NZx)

100 "Obama won 100% of the vote in 21 districts in Cleveland."

And the establishment hacks at the RNC figured that Cleveland would be the perfect place to host the 2016 convention.

::: facepalm :::

I'm hoping that if Trump is the nominee, he insists upon shitcanning all of the establishment hacks' plans, dumping Cleveland, and upon being nominated somewhere else. Someplace yuuuuuuge and classy.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 26, 2015 12:33 PM (noWW6)

101 I was tempted to support Teve Torbes.

Posted by: Grump928(C) notes at October 26, 2015 12:33 PM (rwI+c)

102 I saw Deep Trouble open for Bo Donaldson and the Heywoods back in '74.

Posted by: Moron in a Bell Bottom Snuggie at October 26, 2015 12:34 PM (Ui7Rt)

103 and Pot is on the ballot.
Posted by: Jean

But it's "medical" (nudge nudge wink wink know what I mean?)

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 26, 2015 12:34 PM (FkBIv)

104 Rush . is. killing . it. awesome. Heh heh

Posted by: Yip at October 26, 2015 12:34 PM (e7T6D)

105 Why is it considered bad for Trump if the evangelical "religious right" Iowa vote coalesces around Carson, as it did for Huckabee in 2008 and Santorum in 2012? This would lessen the chances of anyone else getting traction, and Trump should be able to easily finish first in both New Hampshire and South Carolina. If the race comes down to Trump versus Carson, the nomination would be Trump's.

Posted by: An Inanimate Carbon Rod at October 26, 2015 12:34 PM (FohCt)

106 Whoo boy is Rush ripping on Romney today
Posted by: Yo! at October 26, 2015 12:27 PM (GwIKd)

Good. I'm a conservative and I voted for him. Hearing him today crap on people of my ilk for not thinking right is really sticking in my craw, and I was one of the apparent few that happily voted for him.

Posted by: LizLem at October 26, 2015 12:35 PM (hvf9s)

107 The nose has pitched over and we are on a glide path all the way to the crash site. It's Auger Time!! Whee

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 26, 2015 12:35 PM (JO9+V)

108 And Trey Gawdy has a LOT of prosecutor experience...
Senator Ass Hat knows Banking
Mr Leeland Yee supports Gun Control
Nobody knows a hot sandwich like Teddy and Dodd
A ship of fools and those of the believers
Blah Blah Blah Blogshit

Posted by: ACE Trackingking cookies co at October 26, 2015 12:35 PM (S1WrL)

109 Rush . is. killing . it. awesome. Heh heh

Wish Rush would tell Trump to cool it on the Iraq War thing... The Dems have been having a field day with it.....

Posted by: donna at October 26, 2015 12:35 PM (/dSsq)

110 @32

Was that tweet from his luxury yacht?

Because it certainly wasn't from his Senate office.

Posted by: Kreplach at October 26, 2015 12:35 PM (7GJvw)

111 DEEP TROUBLE.

Most people would love to have the deep trouble Trump is in. Who is he in trouble to?

Posted by: just saying at October 26, 2015 12:35 PM (1uTkE)

112 If the race comes down to Trump versus Carson, the nomination would be Trump's.

Too early to call it?

Trump/Carson 2016

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at October 26, 2015 12:35 PM (9krrF)

113 And the establishment hacks at the RNC figured that Cleveland would be the perfect place to host the 2016 convention.

Did they hire Spinal Tap?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 26, 2015 12:35 PM (FkBIv)

114 Mitt Romney... Mitt Romney... the name rings a bell...

Wasn't he one of the Saturday Night Live crew that got fired nearly en masse, many years ago?

Posted by: Generic Midday Moron at October 26, 2015 12:35 PM (MZVOx)

115 As Trump has said, We are led by very stupid people!

Posted by: Kreplach at October 26, 2015 12:36 PM (7GJvw)

116 Remember, Romney is currently from Massachusetts. Being a Massachusetts conservative is to the world of politics like being a British sprinter is to the world of track and field.

Dwain Chambers and Adam Gemili are giving you such a stink-eye right now.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 26, 2015 12:36 PM (jhqr1)

117 Yes, we have banana republic. We have banana republic today!

Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 26, 2015 12:36 PM (fFIVI)

118 97 Remember, Romney is currently from Massachusetts. Being a Massachusetts conservative is to the world of politics like being a British sprinter is to the world of track and field.

Romney is a Republican from Massachusetts. The distinction is important.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 26, 2015 12:36 PM (Zm3Ne)

119 the same people in the right sphere of the interwebs who are upset about Trump are blaming talk radio for his rise and really going after Rush, Hannity, Levin, Ingram et al. Not suprised Rush is on fire today

Posted by: ThunderB at October 26, 2015 12:37 PM (zOTsN)

120 Yes, we have banana republic. We have banana republic today!

After that Lerner thing it's looking more and more so...

Posted by: donna at October 26, 2015 12:37 PM (/dSsq)

121 Who cares what Romney said.

We're still not voting for Bobby Jindal. He's too short.

Posted by: jwest at October 26, 2015 12:37 PM (Zs4uk)

122 Sadly, we will look back at these as The Good Old Days.

Posted by: Grump928(C) notes at October 26, 2015 12:37 PM (rwI+c)

123 grump... we'll look back and recall the times... before the burning times... heh

Posted by: Yip at October 26, 2015 12:38 PM (e7T6D)

124 OT: Happy Birthday to Jaclyn Smith who turned 70 today and is gorgeous!

Oh, Hillary has a birthday today as well.

Posted by: Cheri at October 26, 2015 12:39 PM (oiNtH)

125 Too bad we can't actually grow any bananas.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 26, 2015 12:39 PM (FkBIv)

126 "Did they hire Spinal Tap?"

And the puppet show! It was a package deal! Don't let anyone ever tell you we aren't good stewards of the committee's cash!

Posted by: Prince Rebus and the RNC at October 26, 2015 12:39 PM (noWW6)

127 I don't know though how Romney gets excoriated for RomneyCare but Trump gets nothing but thumbs up for pushing Universal Health care and that it works great.

Both ideas suck, but Trump handing every American with a pulse free health care is trillions in new spending overnight.

Posted by: Coolio at October 26, 2015 12:39 PM (0kpYX)

128 I still don't see Trump winning the nomination, but more stories like this will only help his cause.

Posted by: SH at October 26, 2015 12:39 PM (gmeXX)

129 I guess I should say that The survivors will look back at these as the Good Old Days.

Posted by: Grump928(C) notes at October 26, 2015 12:39 PM (rwI+c)

130 Conservatives have no party.
Republicans stand NO chance without conservatives.

We know it.
They know it.

Yet they keep pushing us away.
That tells you all you need to know about Republicans.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 26, 2015 12:40 PM (kKHcp)

131 And the establishment hacks at the RNC figured that Cleveland would be the perfect place to host the 2016 convention.

My white buddy went to Cleveland for dental school. He experienced more overt racism than my very good friend who is from Texas and black has ever described to me.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 26, 2015 12:40 PM (jhqr1)

132 Quite honestly I'm happy with either Carson or Trump. I think Trump might be get some better results. He already got Ford to cancel building a plant in Mexico.

Carson is the smartest guy running though, and I like his plan to rescind federal funding for liberal universities that attack free speech.

Both Carson and Trump get the essential problem, which is Political Correctness.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 26, 2015 12:40 PM (Zm3Ne)

133 I don't know though how Romney gets excoriated for RomneyCare but Trump gets nothing but thumbs up for pushing Universal Health care and that it works great.

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Well only one actually signed such a bill into law.

Posted by: SH at October 26, 2015 12:40 PM (gmeXX)

134 I never did like Mittens and I did not vote for him in the primary. But I held my nose and went down and voted for the lesser Satan. As it turned out I wasted my time. I swore I would never do that again. If the RNCe is not willing to fix the shitty stacked primary process then they don't want my vote and I'll oblige them.

I still believe we need an Art V convention because this whole thing will collapse son if we keep going the way we are. An Art V convention is not only better than what we have now, but it is also better than blood in the streets.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at October 26, 2015 12:41 PM (t2KH5)

135 Drew wrote, "Are Trump and Carson any better? No. The simple advantage they have is they haven't screwed people over....yet."

I don't know about Dr. Carson since the man is practically a saint, butI guess we're excluding those foks Trump screwed before he entered politics--you know, like those families he had evicted from their homes so he could build a limousine parking lot? How about those shareholders and stakeholders in those multiple bankrupticies of his? I know Trump said during the first debate that they weren't nice guys and all, but if you're talking about screwing people over, let's talk about screwing people over.

Posted by: troyriser at October 26, 2015 12:41 PM (UWlp+)

136 My white buddy went to Cleveland for dental school. He experienced more overt racism than my very good friend who is from Texas and black has ever described to me.
Posted by: bonhomme

White people can't experience racism. They are the racists!

Posted by: Dee Ray at October 26, 2015 12:41 PM (FkBIv)

137 "Good. I'm a conservative and I voted for him. Hearing him today crap on people of my ilk for not thinking right is really sticking in my craw, and I was one of the apparent few that happily voted for him.--- by: LizLem"

I too voted for him, but not happily. So sick of these dems with an R next to their name.

Posted by: Tilikum KIller Assault Whale at October 26, 2015 12:42 PM (0x/TW)

138 115 As Trump has said, We are led by very stupid people!

Posted by: Kreplach at October 26, 2015 12:36 PM (7GJvw)

And yet they keep getting elected.

Posted by: OregonMuse at October 26, 2015 12:42 PM (OgchS)

139 Careful morons, Jeb! could be doing "really cool things" right now. So stop screwing around and start working on your fealty, pronto!

Posted by: Arson Wells at October 26, 2015 12:42 PM (UnJ7w)

140 "Too bad we can't actually grow any bananas."

I have actually had it said to me by Commiefornia ecoholic liberals that, since Brazil runs a measurable percentage of its vehicle fleet on ethanol from sugar cane, the obvious lesson here is that what we need to be doing is emulating their wise ways. And planting their crops.

Oh yeah. Imagine the sprawling fields of tropical sugar cane. In Kansas, Nebraska, and Iowa.

Nothing to go wrong with a genius master plan like that, to be sure.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 26, 2015 12:43 PM (noWW6)

141 Wish Rush would tell Trump to cool it on the Iraq War thing... The Dems have been having a field day with it.....
Posted by: donna

Why? It's a f--king brilliant move by Trump. It takes all the Bush hate of the table for this election. The Dims are going to have to run on Obama's record - not some beat-up old Republican. It establishes Trump as an outsider.

The fact he is doing it now - tells me he has data showing that he is going to lock up the nomination on Super Tuesday and is already turning toward the general.

The GOPe had better pick their horse and kill off the distractions. People are going to start making up their minds.

Posted by: Jean at October 26, 2015 12:43 PM (ztOda)

142 don't know though how Romney gets excoriated for RomneyCare but Trump gets nothing but thumbs up for pushing Universal Health care and that it works great.

Trump fights against political correctness by simply existing. Mitt sides with it and against conservatives.

Trump isn't a conservative. What he is is a pugilist who has aligned himself with conservatives.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 26, 2015 12:43 PM (Zm3Ne)

143 The only cool thing that Jeb does is ring the church bells.

Posted by: Chupacabra at October 26, 2015 12:43 PM (+hPIb)

144 139
Careful morons, Jeb! could be doing "really cool things" right now. So
stop screwing around and start working on your fealty, pronto!

Posted by: Arson Wells at October 26, 2015 12:42 PM (UnJ7w)
jeb has never done one cool thing in his entire life....all the cool things were done by his father and his brother.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at October 26, 2015 12:43 PM (0O7c5)

145 Wow.

I even defended Romney for Romneycare, on the grounds that, hey: It was Massachusetts. They were going to get that or they were going to get something more coercive and socialist.

Turns out he buys into the premise that Obamacare works as advertised. So glad I voted for him, and for his running mate who managed to lose a debate with Joe Biden.

Posted by: JPS at October 26, 2015 12:44 PM (uG1BA)

146 And yet they keep getting elected.

I keep thinking that stat about American adults only having 800 words in their vocabulary, less than one quarter compared to 100 years ago, has a lot to do with it.

We are living in the Misinformation Age. If there's any information at all, that is.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 26, 2015 12:44 PM (LUgeY)

147 We have nothing to fear but Hillary and her flying monkeys themselves.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 26, 2015 12:44 PM (fFIVI)

148 Trump isn't a conservative. What he is is a pugilist who has aligned himself with conservatives.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 26, 2015 12:43 PM (Zm3Ne)

^This^ x 1000

Posted by: Arson Wells at October 26, 2015 12:45 PM (UnJ7w)

149 Republicans stand NO chance without conservatives.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 26, 2015 12:40 PM (kKHcp)
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Is that really true? By now I think that conservatives are a very small minority in the Republican Party. And if the pendulum of misery swings far enough away from Democrats, if people are fed up enough with them, Republicans may not need that minority.

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at October 26, 2015 12:45 PM (GY6v2)

150 Well only one actually signed such a bill into law.
Posted by: SH

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I don't know if that's the best defense, that somebody WOULD do something even more awful but they haven't had the chance yet.

I honestly don't know which would be worse, ObamaCare or UK style socialized medicine.

I guess if you're in the Let it Burn camp and want a fiscal collapse, true universal health care where basically everyone is on MEdiCaid would get us there much faster.

Posted by: Coolio at October 26, 2015 12:45 PM (0kpYX)

151 Trump is really letting his mouth go on the campaign trail. He actually said about Horseface, "That g-d Kerry"and used the word "shithouse" in reference to a property he converted. The crowd seemed to love it though. It was the rally in Jaxksonville btw

Posted by: L, Elle at October 26, 2015 12:46 PM (2x3L+)

152 >>> And the establishment hacks at the RNC figured that Cleveland would be the perfect place to host the 2016 convention.

Did they hire Spinal Tap?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 26, 2015 12:35 PM (FkBIv)

With the GOP in charge, they will order 18' greek columns and get 18" ones.

Posted by: LizLem at October 26, 2015 12:46 PM (hvf9s)

153 I don't know though how Romney gets excoriated for RomneyCare but Trump gets nothing but thumbs up for pushing Universal Health care and that it works great.

Both ideas suck, but Trump handing every American with a pulse free health care is trillions in new spending overnight.

Posted by: Coolio at October 26, 2015 12:39 PM (0kpYX)

Well....because most people don't want to "fix" anything or implement "anything" we just want to burn that mutha down.

Burn baby Burn....GOPe Inferno....burn baby burn!...burn that mutha down!

Posted by: Zombie The Trammps at October 26, 2015 12:46 PM (D0NZx)

154
Maybe the GOP has finally learned its lesson and we'll get a true conservative as nominee this time around.

Trump 2016! Yayyyy!

#singlepayer #Jesustakethewheel #TrumptardsPosted by: Gristle Encased Head at October 26, 2015 12:17 PM (1RNgT)OK. Let's say a "true conservative" doesn't get the nod. Instead, we get !Jeb or his Cuban doppleganger. We're going to be told, endlessly, by folks like you, that we have to suck it up, realize we can't get everything we want, solidify behind the best candidate available, and beat Scankles.And yet, were Teh Donald to be the nominee, I can guarantee dollars to donuts that the same people screaming party unity would be the first to sneer that they'll never stain their vote by casting it for Trump.So take your circus act somewhere else. It doesn't fly here.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 26, 2015 12:46 PM (X6fMO)

155 "...like those families he had evicted from their homes so he could build a limousine parking lot? How about those shareholders and stakeholders in those multiple bankrupticies of his?"

I'm sure the people who lost their house for a parking lot were offered 10 times what the place was worth, but they wanted to hold out for even more.

When a public corporation goes bankrupt, all those who owned stock take the loss. Should Trump ruin some of the money making companies to subsidize the losses of the other? That wouldn't be very fair to the other stockholders.

Posted by: jwest at October 26, 2015 12:46 PM (Zs4uk)

156 The Washington Posts has it all figured out:

The GOP's dysfunction all started with Sarah Palin

Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 26, 2015 12:47 PM (fFIVI)

157
It's almost shocking that Romney would say something so stupid and counter-factual.

There is little chance that there has been *any* net increase in coverage for people with "insurance"*. Medicaid adds (the bulk of "newly covered") of course are completely irrelevant - Medicaid was expanded several times since its inception, it's not "insurance".

Then you subtract the millions (yes, millions) faced, suddenly for the first time in their lives, with unaffordable basic "insurance", many of whom have simply gone naked for the first time ever - from the "newly insured" (O-care participants who get subsidies).

Of course nobody is doing that calculation. Even though it is the only basis on which *any* assessment of increased/decreased coverage can be made.

Totally separate issue, but it's also politically idiotic to say that Mass-care was any sort of neccessary precursor to O-care. This unconstituional, stupid, disastrously ill-conceived crap has been pushed since Romney was in diapers. Historically silly to say such a thing.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 26, 2015 12:47 PM (QDnY+)

158 Well only one actually signed such a bill into law.
Posted by: SH

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I don't know if that's the best defense, that somebody WOULD do something even more awful but they haven't had the chance yet.

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Its just in the actions speak louder than words category. Its easier to walk back a statement or to say you have changed your mind. Its harder to do if you took specific action.

I don't think Trump is any more conservative on healthcare than Romney is - he may be worse. Though as with most of Trump's positions - I have no clue what his positions actually are or would be.

Posted by: SH at October 26, 2015 12:48 PM (gmeXX)

159 What he is is a pugilist who has aligned himself with conservatives.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 26, 2015 12:43 PM (Zm3Ne)
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I dont see how is aligned with conservatives when he praises the British NHS as a model.

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at October 26, 2015 12:48 PM (GY6v2)

160 @141. Jean, I have the same opinion. I don't like hearing Trump dis on the Iraq et ta, BUT it is brilliant politics as everything you said. It defangs the Donks and tricks the LIV's who know nothing. Even Trump attacking Carson on 7th Day religion is a win b/c those that care aren't really in his camp and the Donks and MSM are just waiting to troll Carson with that shit next summer anyway.

Any belief in God at all will be used against the GOP nominee. I mean, they completely invented the war on women and yet, the MSM ran with that meme and turned it into something.. Trump is beating them at their own game and it's fun to watch.

Posted by: Yip at October 26, 2015 12:49 PM (e7T6D)

161
Well, I could be doing really cool things.

What things?

...

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Really cool things, obviously. Guh!

Like what?

...

...

...

...

...

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...uh...like getting free money sitting on boards and such for doing nuthin'...?

Yeah, booyah!!!

Free money!

Now who's the really coolest guy you know?

Posted by: Jeb! at October 26, 2015 12:49 PM (0cMkb)

162 "Carson is the smartest guy running though, and I like his plan to
rescind federal funding for liberal universities that attack free
speech."

Except that what Colin Powell M.D. actually proposed was to take the federal Department of Education and repurpose it into an ideological monitor to watch for "extremist" attitudes on campuses.

Imagine what a wet dream that would be for a liberal successor!

The correct actually conservative answer about the Department of Education is that America was smart enough to send men to the Moon before we had that Department, and now that we have had that Department for forty years, we're not smart enough to be able to do it any longer.

DeptEd is one of the biggest government policy failures in history. It's Cabrini-Green, but on a national scale, and in the schools. Educational reform is crucial to our national survival and success. But the Department of Education is _impeding_ actual educational reform. And the Department itself can no more be internally reformed than can any other scaly tentacle of Fedzilla.

The answer is to SHUT. IT. DOWN. COLD.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 26, 2015 12:50 PM (noWW6)

163 Lest we forget https://reason.com/blog/2015/09/29/donald-trump-wants-to-repeal-obamacare-r

Posted by: All Teh Meh at October 26, 2015 12:50 PM (C4AAQ)

164 If you want to get furious all over again, Richochet has this article: "12 Times the GOP Establishment Kicked the Conservative Base in the Teeth" (no link, sorry).

Posted by: Bill Peschel at October 26, 2015 12:50 PM (rVjzX)

165 What he is is a pugilist who has aligned himself with conservatives.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 26, 2015 12:43 PM (Zm3Ne)
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I dont see how is aligned with conservatives when he praises the British NHS as a model.

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I'm also not sure he is a pugilist. He is certainly a showman (and I have always been a fan of that). But we really have no clue whether he would be a pugilist when it comes to the political arena.

Posted by: SH at October 26, 2015 12:50 PM (gmeXX)

166 >>> The GOP's dysfunction all started with Sarah Palin
Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 26, 2015 12:47 PM (fFIVI)

Well he made the mistake of choosing an actual conservative for a running mate! Opened a Palin's, sorry, Pandora's box of icky conservative wrongthink.

Posted by: GOPe, still in vapours at October 26, 2015 12:51 PM (hvf9s)

167 oh, the * for "insurance" was meant to be this footnote: most health "insurance" has not resembled insurance, in its financial or operational proper definition, for many years - ithas evolved into a disastrous mish-mash of cost-shifting, oligopolistic rip-offs, and welfare, with multiple responsible parties and a growing number of rent-seekers feeding from the iron rice bowl.

Posted by: rhomboid at October 26, 2015 12:51 PM (QDnY+)

168 What cool things? Seriously, I'd like to know the answer to that.

Posted by: L, Elle at October 26, 2015 12:52 PM (2x3L+)

169 I dont see how is aligned with conservatives when he praises the British NHS as a model.

Because he doesn't apologize to SJWs when he makes them mad.

All the 'pure' Republicans surrender like wimps.

They can talk forever about repealing Obamacare, they won't ever do it because 1) the chamber of commerce likes it, 2) it's a wedge issue for funds and 3) the SJW media would say bad things about them.

Trump won't fix Obamacare, but neither will they.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 26, 2015 12:52 PM (Zm3Ne)

170 drewm fuck u and the horse you rode in on. Nothing romney could do or say would stop you from calling him a rino. It's like bitching about Ryan- if not him, give us a fucking name of someone you'd like. That you can even consider Trump shows who the real rino is. If this is the conservative party, we are done for. Trump is simply getting qualified candidates out. Enjoy president Hillary

Posted by: scott at October 26, 2015 12:52 PM (7S1U8)

171 Posted by: The Nayden Broad at October 26, 2015 12:45 PM (GY6v2)

You may be right about that on a national scale.
I was wrong to be so broad about it.
So, the GOP may be stuck with a Trump candidacy they don't want, and an American public willing to go along with it.

Do you really think the GOP wants Trump?
Or that conservatives see in Trump anything other than a big hammer to smash the GOP with?

Nationally, it is a weird time. But by and large, conservatives get elected despite the party, not because of it.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 26, 2015 12:52 PM (kKHcp)

172 I don't go out of my way to speak ill of the dead BUT; Fcuk Tom.

And fcuk Mitt. Who can't stop flipping when he realizes his liberal views are contrary to the wishes of the people he wants to ~~fool~~ please.

And as to "I just want to help people" comment: then don't go into government because government "helps" people at the point of a gun aimed at someone else.

Bull hockey on "helping" people. Become the local sheriff or start a charity but don't try to become the CinC because you want to "help" people.

Does being a Mormon allow you to lie like a rug if your goals are worthy? Apparently so because, Mitt, you haven't stopped lying since you got into politics and maybe before that.

Stop talking, you're ruining your good guy image.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at October 26, 2015 12:53 PM (Xo1Rt)

173 "How about those shareholders and stakeholders in those multiple bankrupticies of his?"

Trump's PRIVATE SECTOR-funded ventures that went into bankruptcy are absolutely no skin off my nose.

Whereas with the numerous bankruptcies of PUBLIC SECTOR-funded liberal crony-capitalist companies such as Solyndra, all of the rest of us get bought in to the loss on a small scale whether we like it or not.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 26, 2015 12:53 PM (noWW6)

174 I can guarantee dollars to donuts that the same people screaming party unity would be the first to sneer that they'll never stain their vote by casting it for Trump

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing

___________________

There is no candidate running that is not going to have a swath of the GOP that will "sit out"

I don't know which candidate will mean the most "sit outs" , but neither side can claim to be blameless on that front.

They both threaten it with glee, "it's either my guy or I stay home!" etc.

Posted by: Coolio at October 26, 2015 12:54 PM (0kpYX)

175 But we really have no clue whether he would be a pugilist when it comes to the political arena.
Posted by: SH at October 26, 2015 12:50 PM (gmeXX)

Your kidding, right? Trump is putting on a clinic on how to beat the MSM, progs, and the GOPe at their own game. Just because he is a repulsive shit doesn't mean he isn't good at what he does.

Posted by: Arson Wells at October 26, 2015 12:54 PM (UnJ7w)

176 We're all gonna die on a Liverpool Pathway. I wonder if they'll call it something different here, though, like the Boston Pathway or the Columbia Pathway.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 26, 2015 12:54 PM (2Ojst)

177 I can guarantee dollars to donuts that the same people screaming party unity would be the first to sneer that they'll never stain their vote by casting it for Trump.So take your circus act somewhere else. It doesn't fly here.

Solid take Einstein. For the sin of daring to note that Trump is the biggest RINO in the race I reveal myself as a secret supporter of RINOs Bush and Rubio. Nothing gets past you!

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at October 26, 2015 12:54 PM (1RNgT)

178 One thing is certain, Republican Toadys gotta toad.

Posted by: Grump928(C) notes at October 26, 2015 12:55 PM (rwI+c)

179 I guess I see Your point on the Iraq war thing, but I feel badly for those who lost loved ones. It must be hard hearing that the Republican leading right now thinks We would be better off with Saddam still in place....Then their Son/Daughter Friend/ etc died for nothing...

Posted by: donna at October 26, 2015 12:55 PM (/dSsq)

180 I seem to have Vox in my latest hash.

No relation.

Posted by: Generic Midday Moron at October 26, 2015 12:55 PM (MZVOx)

181 Wow, I've never seen LizLem this angry, that I can recall.

I'm sorry about your job situation. Hope it works out for you.

Obamacare and its baby brother Masscare are disasters.

Posted by: Y-not at October 26, 2015 12:55 PM (t5zYU)

182 I should have pummeled that treacherous little bitch to death when I had the chance.

Posted by: Evander Holyfield at October 26, 2015 12:56 PM (E5UB0)

183 Trump is simply getting qualified candidates out.

Posted by: scott at October 26, 2015 12:52 PM (7S1U

Santorum? Perry? Yer killin' me.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 26, 2015 12:56 PM (8ZskC)

184 It puts the Romney on its skin.

Posted by: General Zod at October 26, 2015 12:56 PM (Bdeb0)

185 But we really have no clue whether he would be a pugilist when it comes to the political arena.
Posted by: SH at October 26, 2015 12:50 PM (gmeXX)

Your kidding, right? Trump is putting on a clinic on how to beat the MSM, progs, and the GOPe at their own game. Just because he is a repulsive shit doesn't mean he isn't good at what he does.

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Believe it or not I'm not kidding. Will Trump really fight for something? If you know this, you have better clairvoyance than I do. I'm not saying he won't, just that I don't know because we have never seen him do it. Its great to want a person to fight in a debate or a campaign. But that doesn't necessarily translate into fighting in the political arena once you are elected. He may, he may not.

Posted by: SH at October 26, 2015 12:57 PM (gmeXX)

186 Uh-oh, no one show the Vanity Fair article on Trump wining to CAC.

"Finally, Pennsylvania, which has been leaning ever-more blue and will likely go blue this year, will nonetheless require Clinton to spend some resources and time there--taking away from her efforts in other swing states."

Posted by: LizLem at October 26, 2015 12:57 PM (hvf9s)

187 Because he doesn't apologize to SJWs when he makes them mad.

All the 'pure' Republicans surrender like wimps.

They can talk forever about repealing Obamacare, they won't ever do it because 1) the chamber of commerce likes it, 2) it's a wedge issue for funds and 3) the SJW media would say bad things about them.

Trump won't fix Obamacare, but neither will they.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 26, 2015 12:52 PM (Zm3Ne)
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Yeah, I dont consider the other Republicans to be aligned with conservatives either. Maybe there are a few exceptions like Cruz or Sessions.

That the Republican Party is basically a gutless centrist party doesnt make Trump any less liberal than he actually is. And his media catfights about schoolyard taunts are hardly a compensation for actual conservative positions.

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at October 26, 2015 12:58 PM (GY6v2)

188 >>>>I seem to have Vox in my latest hash.

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.There is a cream that will get rid of that.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 26, 2015 12:58 PM (iONHu)

189 I'm still a Cruz guy but I have to admit that Trump hasn't fucked me yet. Which puts him way above the rest of the party.

Posted by: Grump928(C) notes at October 26, 2015 12:58 PM (rwI+c)

190 Santorum? Perry? Yer killin' me.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero)
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Maybe he's talking about Yeb? There's a winner right there. Although I must confess to a bit of a soft spot for Walker and Paul.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at October 26, 2015 12:58 PM (E5UB0)

191 We're all gonna die on a Liverpool Pathway. I wonder if they'll call it something different here, though, like the Boston Pathway or the Columbia Pathway.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 26, 2015 12:54 PM (2Ojst)

Not me, pal. When I get old, I'm just gonna take a rucksack full of ChefBoyardeeand a gun and a box of ammo and deliver law to the lawless out in the Wasteland.

Posted by: troyriser at October 26, 2015 12:58 PM (UWlp+)

192 I'm also not sure he is a pugilist. He is certainly a showman (and I have always been a fan of that). But we really have no clue whether he would be a pugilist when it comes to the political arena.
Posted by: SH

If Trump's the nominee, I'll take him warts and all, but would anybody be surprised if Trump just came out with a plan where everybody gets free dental care because we live in such a fabulous country and deserve it?

If you think Democrats are bad about buying votes, this guy would make Huey Long blush.

Something like RomneyCare is going to look like a rounding error in terms of spending.

Posted by: Coolio at October 26, 2015 12:58 PM (0kpYX)

193 OT: World Health Org (WHO) is ruling that processed meats--bacon, ham, sausage--are as bad for you as smoking.

A plot by the Muslim halal cabal? I am only half joking on that.

Posted by: LizLem at October 26, 2015 12:59 PM (hvf9s)

194 I had heard he said something like that, but I had figured it was one of those fake quotes the media simply fabricates.

Posted by: JohnJ at October 26, 2015 12:59 PM (TF/YA)

195 Maybe he's talking about Yeb?

Maybe Scott's talking about Walker. Wait .. is that you, Lord of Bones?

Posted by: Grump928(C) notes at October 26, 2015 12:59 PM (rwI+c)

196 if Trump just came out with a plan where everybody gets free dental care because we live in such a fabulous country and deserve it?

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I would not be surprised with anything Trump were to do.

Posted by: SH at October 26, 2015 12:59 PM (gmeXX)

197 Not me, pal. When I get old, I'm just gonna take a rucksack full of ChefBoyardeeand a gun and a box of ammo and deliver law to the lawless out in the Wasteland.
Posted by: troyriser at October 26, 2015 12:58 PM (UWlp+)

The Long Walk out into the Cursed Earth, eh?

Posted by: Insomniac at October 26, 2015 12:59 PM (2Ojst)

198 They both threaten it with glee, "it's either my guy or I stay home!" etc.
Posted by: Coolio
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Well, I follow the Buckley Rule. I vote for the most conservative candidate that is running, regardless of the race.

Far too many people allow their egos to become involved. Every election is about WHO is going to be elected, it is not about "voting your conscience". If there is ANY discernible evidence that one person is even a scintilla more responsible than the next, then they get my vote.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc.,etc. at October 26, 2015 12:59 PM (9mTYi)

199 We're all going to die on the Liverpool pathway.

I'd prefer "Ferry cross the Mersey"

http://tinyurl.com/mcpe5wk

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 26, 2015 01:00 PM (No/ki)

200 "We're all gonna die on a Liverpool Pathway. I wonder if they'll call it
something different here, though, like the Boston Pathway or the
Columbia Pathway."

CHICAGO Pathway.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 26, 2015 01:01 PM (noWW6)

201 We're all gonna die on a Liverpool Pathway. I wonder if they'll call it something different here, though, like the Boston Pathway or the Columbia Pathway.

"Aktion T4" is catchy.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 26, 2015 01:01 PM (8ZskC)

202 170 Posted by: scott at October 26, 2015 12:52 PM (7S1U

You need to review Ace's new Banhammer rule in the sidebar.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at October 26, 2015 01:01 PM (t2KH5)

203 I think one advantage of a Trump presidency would be that if he turns out to be lying, he only gets one term. Republicans can and do lose Republican voters.

Posted by: Grump928(C) notes at October 26, 2015 01:01 PM (rwI+c)

204 So let's nominate the guy whose idea of "repeal and replace" is to simply give PlaceboCare 2.0 some yuge subsidies and a totes classy makeover.

Fuck that noise, man.

Posted by: steveegg at October 26, 2015 01:01 PM (cL79m)

205 @LizLem

PA's absolutely in play, and it'll take a lot for her to overcome her recent gun control crap. Did the article mention that part of it?

Posted by: Chupacabra at October 26, 2015 01:01 PM (+hPIb)

206 There is a cream that will get rid of that.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman
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The ointment is more efficacious, but, messy because gooey.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc.,etc. at October 26, 2015 01:02 PM (9mTYi)

207 a rucksack full of ChefBoyardee

I don't know that killing them with the bad taste of canned pasta is the most expedient way to die. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 26, 2015 01:02 PM (No/ki)

208 You need to review Ace's new Banhammer rule in the sidebar.
Posted by: Vic

Like 1984 and Brave New World and Idiocracy, et.al. what is for some a warning is for others a guideline.

Posted by: Generic Midday Moron at October 26, 2015 01:02 PM (MZVOx)

209 What cool things? Seriously, I'd like to know the answer to that.

Posted by: L, Elle

No one knows
What goes on
Behind closed doors.

Posted by: Jeb! at October 26, 2015 01:02 PM (FkBIv)

210 207 a rucksack full of ChefBoyardee

I don't know that killing them with the bad taste of canned pasta is the most expedient way to die. ;^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 26, 2015 01:02 PM (No/ki)

No no no, that's his plan for not being taken alive.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 26, 2015 01:02 PM (2Ojst)

211 PA's absolutely in play, and it'll take a lot for her to overcome her recent gun control crap. Did the article mention that part of it?
Posted by: Chupacabra at October 26, 2015 01:01 PM (+hPIb)

Glossed over that, I'm sure over reticence of speaking ill of the Hill.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/10/donald-trump-could-be-president

Posted by: LizLem at October 26, 2015 01:03 PM (hvf9s)

212 When I start doing a pack and a half of bacon a day, their concern will be noted.

Posted by: Chupacabra at October 26, 2015 01:03 PM (+hPIb)

213 Solid take Einstein. For the sin of daring to note that Trump is the biggest RINO in the race I reveal myself as a secret supporter of RINOs Bush and Rubio. Nothing gets past you!

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at October 26, 2015 12:54 PM (1RNgT)
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Is Trump actually a RINO? Thats the most fascinating thing about his candidacy: He actually would fit quite well into the sequence liberal Republican presidential nominees like McCain and Romney. Seems perfectly Republican to me. But then the insurgent support and the establishment opposition make no sense whatsoever. This is the weirdest election season Ive ever witnessed.

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at October 26, 2015 01:03 PM (GY6v2)

214 212 When I start doing a pack and a half of bacon a day, their concern will be noted.
Posted by: Chupacabra at October 26, 2015 01:03 PM (+hPIb)

So you're cutting back?

Posted by: Insomniac at October 26, 2015 01:04 PM (2Ojst)

215 The objectionable thing about Trump and Carson isn't that they're "hijacking" the GOP, it's that they are both lazy and incompetent at politics. Neither one of them seems willing to put in any real effort towards winning the US Presidency -- I put more effort into trying to get a small town city counselor job than either of these guys do towards the #1 job in government. Trump doesn't look like he's spent 5 minutes all year planning out anything he says or does. If either of them were ideologically 100% solid and naturally brilliant politicians, MAYBE you could excuse this, but they're both mixed bags ideologically and have no idea how to accomplish any of the things they propose if they somehow managed to win with 0% institutional support.

The one thing you could say about Mitt Romney, he had personal character, was a hard worker, and put in the effort, and he was a responsible person worthy of commanding our armed forces. There are/were plenty of responsible adults out there as options this time around if you want ideological purity (Cruz), or sharp rhetoric and strong preparation (Carly), or skill at enacting political reforms in hostile environments (Walker and Jindal.) Nobody was forced to land on Trump and Carson, deliberately picking those people for any purpose other than to mock the entire process (sort of like voting for Sanjaya on American Idol) raises serious issues about just what you are valuing in a candidate.

Posted by: cjw at October 26, 2015 01:04 PM (UJ59J)

216 But you know what? You can only screw people over and fail to deliver what you promised so many times before they decide to return the favor.

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Then why are people excited about a new Star Wars film?

Posted by: RKae at October 26, 2015 01:04 PM (UDdWZ)

217 speaking of killing shit

"The Death of Europe" by Sultan Knish

http://bit.ly/1GtpEpm

money line: "Mohammad is Fritz's retirement plan."

lol

Posted by: Feh at October 26, 2015 01:04 PM (y87Za)

218 The Long Walk out into the Cursed Earth, eh?
Posted by: Insomniac at October 26, 2015 12:59 PM (2Ojst)

Damn right. No state-sanctioned euthanasia for me, thanks. They'll have to work for it.

Posted by: troyriser at October 26, 2015 01:04 PM (UWlp+)

219 This is the weirdest election season Ive ever witnessed.
Posted by: The Nayden Broad

https://youtu.be/8qRZvlZZ0DY

Posted by: Generic Midday Moron at October 26, 2015 01:05 PM (MZVOx)

220 I will vote for Trump in the primary and general. No other candidate is even close to daring to say what needs to be said right now than the Donald. PC is killing this nation as much as bad economics or foreign policy.

Posted by: Soona at October 26, 2015 01:05 PM (Fmupd)

221 Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc.,etc. at October 26, 2015 12:59 PM (9mTYi)

In a perfect world, that would be a smart long term strategy.
But in reality, it is voting for the lesser of two evils, and has gotten us to where we are today.

I am passed tired of holding my nose on election day.
Particularly when it doesn't even seem to matter if "my guy" wins or loses. The machine keeps grinding slowly leftward.

I'll hold no grudge for anyone who stays home from here on in.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 26, 2015 01:05 PM (kKHcp)

222 Posted by: Insomniac at October 26, 2015 01:02 PM (2Ojst)

No, Really? ;^)

Wouldn't be the most expedient way for him to die either. If you're going to have a last meal it should-if possible-be better than canned pasta. checked, I;d even prefer tinned smoked kippers.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 26, 2015 01:06 PM (No/ki)

223 cjw - Well said.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc.,etc. at October 26, 2015 01:06 PM (9mTYi)

224 Well, I follow the Buckley Rule. I vote for the most conservative candidate that is running, regardless of the race.

Far too many people allow their egos to become involved. Every election is about WHO is going to be elected, it is not about "voting your conscience". If there is ANY discernible evidence that one person is even a scintilla more responsible than the next, then they get my vote.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
_________

I think the Buckley rule though is the most conservative candidate "that can win". The problem is, we usually have pretty big disagreements about that last part.

I personally don't buy into the idea that when a Republican loses its because they weren't conservative enough and people sat at home. That's been an urban legend for a while that both the Left and the Right push.

Had we nominated say Santorum in 2012 who was more strident on social issues, I actually think we would have lost by a much bigger margin.

Posted by: Coolio at October 26, 2015 01:06 PM (0kpYX)

225 A couple of things...

The sidebar piece about the Tea Party constantly winning but never being happy - that is super dumb. The Tea Party keeps handing overall victories to the Republicans over the Democrats, but then still gets marginalized. Every near-term win has turned into a long-term defeat. Win control of the House for Republicans, promising to repeal O-Care? Shucks, guys, it was great, just not quite enough.

The other thing - I have a three interviews for a new job coming up over the next 8 days. Two tomorrow, and one a week later. I am being interviewed by several different people, all of whom have say in hiring for this position. The interview next Tuesday is actually with I think 4 people. This job would be amazing. I am tremendously excited at the prospect. If you are the praying type, please cover these interviews in prayer that if it is not the Lord's will he would close this door sooner rather than later.

Posted by: Sambo at October 26, 2015 01:06 PM (9UV3C)

226 Is Trump actually a RINO? Thats the most fascinating thing about his candidacy: He actually would fit quite well into the sequence liberal Republican presidential nominees like McCain and Romney. Seems perfectly Republican to me. But then the insurgent support and the establishment opposition make no sense whatsoever. This is the weirdest election season Ive ever witnessed.

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at October 26, 2015 01:03 PM (GY6v2)

Do note that it's the consultants and lobbyists, not the party apparatus itself, that's against Trump (rather unlike the apparatus' hatred of Cruz).

Posted by: steveegg at October 26, 2015 01:06 PM (cL79m)

227 What Obamacare has wrought is so terrible. Never has there been more intrusion into privacy. Never has there been more profit-skimming intermediaries. Never have you been less the consumer than the product.

In 2018 comes the "cadillac tax" which what's his smarm had designed to break the benefit employers get from provdiing group coverage instead of salary.

Instead of doing the obvious thing, which was to give consumers the tax break the employer got and let consumers decide to take taxed income or pre-tax prudent provision for the family (including tax-sheltered HSAs untethered to any specific plan) and to open group coverage that isn't tied to employment, and to regulate rescission to conform to common sense (time limits, restricting policy cancelling fraud to active concealment of illness directly related to a claim), and to unshackle fee schedules and reimbursement rates from whatever deal the government works out for entitlements, ending cash patient gouging - they basically just found ways to leave people paying to get nothing, or paying for huge cost-sharing at vastly increased costs. Because money. There is money to be made out of you herd of cattle, and don't you forget it.

Posted by: SarahW at October 26, 2015 01:07 PM (3fTXW)

228 >>>

Wow, I've never seen LizLem this angry, that I can recall. I'm sorry about your job situation. Hope it works out for you. Obamacare and its baby brother Masscare are disasters.
Posted by: Y-not at October 26, 2015 12:55 PM (t5zYU)

So ticked! Even if this ends up not affecting me it hurts people I know. Has been demoralizing for everyone in the org. I got a raise this year, fingers crossed I'm over the hump and/or my employers value me enough to keep me full salary. I work overtime without extra pay; trust me they don't want to start paying me for it, hah!

Posted by: LizLem at October 26, 2015 01:07 PM (hvf9s)

229 Had we nominated say Santorum in 2012 who was more strident on social issues, I actually think we would have lost by a much bigger margin.

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I disagree with you there.

Posted by: SH at October 26, 2015 01:07 PM (gmeXX)

230 Romney's selection as nominee was rigged. Just as they're trying to rig this one for Jeb (or now Rubio because Jeb is sunk unless poppy can call in some markers and save him).

They loaded the field with ringers that then got a few delegates in a few states which they then passed on to whoever.

Don't vote for a favorite son or because you want to send a message because anyone other than the outsider leaders will drop out after they win a few delegates. Then they will pass them on to Rubio or Jeb.

The GOPe has rigged the primary rules and the convention rules to make it very difficult for a movement candidate to win. (see theconservativetreehouse.com for details).

They're using superpac to donate to these candidates campaign.
Why would anyone do that? Because the candidates can keep whatever's left of donations for themselves after they drop out of the race. Nice gig for little work.

That's why you see total losers in there like Graham, Pataki, Christie, Huckabee and even some of the other more favored candidates whether they're part of the Jeb/Rubio GOPe ripoff or not.

"It's a Trap" said someone once far far away.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at October 26, 2015 01:08 PM (Xo1Rt)

231 Liverpool pathway or Copperhead Road?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 26, 2015 01:08 PM (FkBIv)

232 179, Donna, they didn't die for nothing. The Democrats and Obama made it that way. Exact repeat of 1975-6 when the Democrats abandoned South Vietnam and all the good that our fight had tried , vainly , to provide leading to mass exodus and deaths. The Donks and MSM snatched defeat from victory in Iraq and there is nothing we can do about it... but wait for saner times.

What Trump lately says about the M.E. and if we'd left well enough alone absolutely trashes the normal talking points of the left. They cannot attack him like normal. It is playing the press and donks at their own game... refusing to be tied to the past and defending involvement in the M.E. AND it opens up a line of attack on Obama' and Clinton's Libya and Syria adventures/failures and they are VERY vulnerable there.

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. I take him at his word that he supports our military and wants strength. That would be used against him by the Donks IF he wasn't also throwing criticisms about Iraq and 9-11, etc in the wind. So he's playing/trolling ... and good.

Posted by: Yip at October 26, 2015 01:08 PM (e7T6D)

233 Posted by: Sambo at October 26, 2015 01:06 PM (9UV3C)

Glad to pray for you, Sambo.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 26, 2015 01:09 PM (No/ki)

234 Romney's walk back on Universal Healthcare is nothing in comparison to Trump's walk back. Yeah, but still....

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at October 26, 2015 01:09 PM (dJdQf)

235 If you are the praying type, please cover these interviews in prayer that if it is not the Lord's will he would close this door sooner rather than later.
Posted by: Sambo at October 26, 2015 01:06 PM (9UV3C)

I'm the praying type. No problem.

Posted by: troyriser at October 26, 2015 01:09 PM (UWlp+)

236 The one thing you could say about Mitt Romney, he had personal character, was a hard worker, and put in the effort, and he was a responsible person worthy of commanding our armed forces. There are/were plenty of responsible adults out there as options this time around if you want ideological purity (Cruz), or sharp rhetoric and strong preparation (Carly), or skill at enacting political reforms in hostile environments (Walker and Jindal.) Nobody was forced to land on Trump and Carson, deliberately picking those people for any purpose other than to mock the entire process (sort of like voting for Sanjaya on American Idol) raises serious issues about just what you are valuing in a candidate.
Posted by: cjw at October 26, 2015 01:04 PM (UJ59J)

I don't recall seeing your handle before. But you seem like someone who would excoriate someone like me for refusing to vote for someone like Jeb, but would certainly refuse to cast your vote for someone like Trump or Carson if he were win the nomination. Sorry if I misread you, but that's how this reads.

Posted by: Sambo at October 26, 2015 01:10 PM (9UV3C)

237 This is the weirdest election season Ive ever witnessed.

Same here. But looking past the personalities to their stance on the issues, Cruz remains my guy.

I know better than to hope for a Trump/Cruz ticket, which would be my second choice and set up Cruz for the preezy in 4 or 8 years.

I am, however, entertained.
I'm reduced to merely hoping for a less vigorous screwing than what I've experienced these past few years.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 26, 2015 01:10 PM (LUgeY)

238 FUCK THAT GUY.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at October 26, 2015 01:10 PM (wQD/c)

239 Our middling, high deductible, high cost sharing limited network plan with a major insurer already brushes the cadillac cutoff and if cost goes up it will surpass it.
Since we afford it (barely) by using pre-tax dollars, a 40% excise tax will screw us completely.

Posted by: SarahW at October 26, 2015 01:11 PM (3fTXW)

240 "The one thing you could say about Mitt Romney, he had personal character, was a hard worker, and put in the effort, and he was a responsible person worthy of commanding our armed forces."

These days, that and a nickel won't even get you a cup of coffee.

Mitt was a bit like a Norman Rockwell character living in a BDSM world.

Posted by: Feh at October 26, 2015 01:12 PM (y87Za)

241 Had we nominated say Santorum in 2012 who was more strident on social issues, I actually think we would have lost by a much bigger margin.

------------

I disagree with you there.
Posted by: SH

______________

No way. You really think Santorum would have done better? To me, his crusade about birth control was just really odd and oft putting. He specifically said he wanted his Presidential campaign to highlight the dangers of birth control.

The guy lost his last election in his home state by something like 20 points, it was a near record in American history and there was no corruption or scandal.

I'm sort of open to the idea though that maybe Newt could have done better.

Posted by: Coolio at October 26, 2015 01:12 PM (0kpYX)

242 Is Trump actually a RINO? Thats the most fascinating thing about his candidacy: He actually would fit quite well into the sequence liberal Republican presidential nominees like McCain and Romney. Seems perfectly Republican to me.

That's a good point. He's on that end of the spectrum for sure although, in another election, I could easily see him running as a democrat. RINO is an apt description as would be DINO. He's a NYC liberal running on the Trump ticket.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at October 26, 2015 01:12 PM (1RNgT)

243 Well anyone who knew anything about history would know democracy and Islam are wildly incompatible.

And yet here we are........

Posted by: Yo! at October 26, 2015 01:12 PM (GwIKd)

244 PS; although PA went to a Dem Gov, it's not turning more blue.

Corbett was a massive failure and then they didn't put anyone up to run so the Dem won.

Legislature's still GOP.

Trump and Carson are doing great here and I think even in the Black enclaves, the Dems will get less than normal due to the "great" job Obama has done.

Even a die hard Democrat can see something's wrong when the number of people out of work in the cities is horrendous.

They don't pay attention to the Labor Department lies, they know who's working and who's gotten laid off in their neighborhoods and they've taken a bigger hit than even old white guys.

Watch PA vote Republican next year.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at October 26, 2015 01:13 PM (Xo1Rt)

245 Thanks, FenelonSpoke and troyriser. If I land the gig, I'll tell you all about it. I'll likely make some Moron's jealous.

Posted by: Sambo at October 26, 2015 01:13 PM (9UV3C)

246 >>> I am, however, entertained.
I'm reduced to merely hoping for a less vigorous screwing than what I've experienced these past few years.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 26, 2015 01:10 PM (LUgeY)

Trump allows those who are usually the ones screwed by the GOPe to screw them back a little. That the GOPe don't see this and pivot to deflect it shows them as the idiots they are.

Posted by: LizLem at October 26, 2015 01:13 PM (hvf9s)

247 "Had we nominated say Santorum"

I'd like to see numbers on this, too. I think Carson is popular with some people because of his Christian morality, and I suspect that cuts right across racial lines.

But I don't have the data.

Posted by: Feh at October 26, 2015 01:14 PM (y87Za)

248 Prayers up, Sambo.

I had an interview like that last year. Had 3 people interview me for two hours. At the end, they were all smiles, saying they'd have no problem getting me a job with my background.

I never heard back from them. Maybe you'll have better luck.

We could sure use the tiger butter.

Good Luck.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 26, 2015 01:14 PM (LUgeY)

249 No way. You really think Santorum would have done better?

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I thought that Santorum was tapping into the populism that we are seeing now, particularly with his blue collar appeal on corporate tax relief for manufacturers. But more than that, he could make a case against Obamacare (and I believed we were in an Obamacare election). Romney never made the case (which we now know why - though we always knew). How would the left have attacked Santorum any differently than they attacked Romney?

I certainly don't think he would have done worse, and yes, I actually believe he would have done better.

Posted by: SH at October 26, 2015 01:15 PM (gmeXX)

250 " Neither one of them seems willing to put in any real effort towards
winning the US Presidency -- I put more effort into trying to get a
small town city counselor job than either of these guys do towards the
#1 job in government. Trump doesn't look like he's spent 5 minutes all
year planning out anything he says or does."

It was offputting when Trump blamed his tasteless Iowa retweet about brain damage and Monsanto corn on an "inexperienced intern".

Um, wait up here: you're running for PRESIDENT and you have some dopey kid running the Twitter feed?

Posted by: torquewrench at October 26, 2015 01:15 PM (noWW6)

251 Posted by: Sambo at October 26, 2015 01:13 PM (9UV3C)

I hope you will come and tell us if you get the job, Sambo but I'll try not to be jealous. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 26, 2015 01:15 PM (No/ki)

252 Since Trump himself said he identified more as a Democrat than a Republican and stated that the economy does better under a Dem administration, he just might be a little left of a RINO. Yeah, but still.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at October 26, 2015 01:15 PM (dJdQf)

253 More Drew Doom Thread

Posted by: Grump928(C) notes at October 26, 2015 01:15 PM (rwI+c)

254 That's a good point. He's on that end of the spectrum for sure although, in another election, I could easily see him running as a democrat. RINO is an apt description as would be DINO. He's a NYC liberal running on the Trump ticket.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at October 26, 2015 01:12 PM (1RNgT)

Trump ticket = Bull Ferret party? Speak loudly and carry a big schtick.

Posted by: LizLem at October 26, 2015 01:16 PM (hvf9s)

255 Don't you just love that you can't escape third party review of your entire medical file by agents of a company that sells granular, patient specific data and stores it on third party servers without paying a huge penalty to the IRS and also not having any standard insurance?

http://www.inovalon.com/howwehelp/prospective-advantage

The only person that should know about "gaps in care" or what meds I take or what tests I choose is me and a physician I personally pick out.

Inovalon's "to serve man" mantra is very upsetting.

I would like to burn everything down right now. Instead I'm just wishing for the sun to explode.

Posted by: SarahW at October 26, 2015 01:16 PM (3fTXW)

256 Ah, the memories I have from about a decade ago, when I was still blogging. Ace and many other Libertarian bloggers getting upset at SoCons because we refused to support the GOP.
"Drop your silly SoCon litmus tests", theyy urged, "Get some change going: we'll get to your issues eventually!"
"No, no", we replied, "we threw our weight behind the GOP 30 years ago and we were only exploited by rent seekers, power mongers, and establishment wonks. We refuse to support them. You'll see, eventually."
And here we are.

Posted by: Deep Thought at October 26, 2015 01:16 PM (WEu8/)

257 Listening to Rush Limbaugh this morning and seems Romney has the sads about there being more sources for facts today than the old networks/print media had years ago. Made me realize my vote was against ubama, not for the other guy.

Posted by: Eromero at October 26, 2015 01:17 PM (b+df9)

258 Has Trump been talking tariffs?

Posted by: Feh at October 26, 2015 01:17 PM (y87Za)

259 Mitt, go sit in the corner with your traffic cone on your head. You lost.

Posted by: dufuss at October 26, 2015 01:17 PM (2u4CD)

260 Posted by: cjw at October 26, 2015 01:04 PM (UJ59J)

I agreed with your post up to "Nobody was forced."
I think Trump and Bernie Sanders both came about because people on both the hard left democratic side and the conservative republicans side being frustrated with their parties.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 26, 2015 01:17 PM (No/ki)

261 The thing that worries me about Trump is that he has switched parties 5 times and has contributed heavily to Democrats in the past. I do not trust him despite his "pugilistic" rhetoric. And I have not seen any of his political graveyards.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at October 26, 2015 01:18 PM (t2KH5)

262 "Even a die hard Democrat can see something's wrong when the number of people out of work in the cities is horrendous. They
don't pay attention to the Labor Department lies, they know who's
working and who's gotten laid off in their neighborhoods and they've
taken a bigger hit than even old white guys."

Robert Mugabe keeps on getting elected. Over and over again. Despite the blacks he claims to represent and defend having endured horrific economic hardship since he came to power.

The African-American parts of America work the way Africa does.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 26, 2015 01:18 PM (noWW6)

263 People demanding party loyalty don't seem to have base loyalty

No one has the right to your vote, they have to earn it

Bullying someone to vote for you does not work

gOPe could learn a few things from the Trump/Sanders phenomenon. But no. They would rather call their base retards

Posted by: ThunderB at October 26, 2015 01:18 PM (zOTsN)

264 >> What cool things? Seriously, I'd like to know the answer to that.

I'm shaking it, Boss. I'm shaking it!

Posted by: Jeb!, one hand firmly on the money bush/i] at October 26, 2015 01:18 PM (gyKtp)

265 >>>>
Since Trump himself said he identified more as a Democrat than a
Republican and stated that the economy does better under a Dem
administration, he just might be a little left of a RINO. Yeah, but
still.
.
.
.
.Here's the deal IMO with Trump. He went out on a very long limb and addressed the illegal issue in a way that every conservative can get behind and he has not wavered one inch from that even after getting beat up constantly about it. No one else has come close to addressing the #1 issue on every conservatives wish list but Trump.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 26, 2015 01:19 PM (iONHu)

266 I see Trump as moderate Relublican in the mold of Guilani. He can do just like Obama did throwing away the white vote except he can get away with throwing away the establishment and pulling over traditional Dem voters and nonvoters. The place he is weak is with devout Christians who think he is a bad, immoral man. That's why Carson is doing is well as he is.

Posted by: L, Elle at October 26, 2015 01:19 PM (2x3L+)

267 248 Prayers up, Sambo.

I had an interview like that last year. Had 3 people interview me for two hours. At the end, they were all smiles, saying they'd have no problem getting me a job with my background.

I never heard back from them. Maybe you'll have better luck.

We could sure use the tiger butter.

Good Luck.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 26, 2015 01:14 PM (LUgeY)

I think I am about 75% likely to get an offer. I have already been through two phone interviews and one face to face. It helps that the guy I would be reporting to directly called me and asked me to apply. Plus, among my references are some folks who are very well respected in the industry. Their opinions are likely to carry significant weight with the decision makers if anyone is sitting on the fence.

Posted by: Sambo at October 26, 2015 01:19 PM (9UV3C)

268 I'd like to see numbers on this, too. I think Carson is popular with some people because of his Christian morality, and I suspect that cuts right across racial lines.

But I don't have the data.
Posted by: Feh

Blacks say they are socially conservative but lined up around the block to vote for gay marriage supporting Obama.

Minorities don't care about social/religious issues, it's just the way it is. Republicans keep this hope alive but at the end of the day, they go with who gives them the graft.

Blacks and Hispanics overwhelmingly vote Democrat despite the Party's outright hostility towards everything Christian and traditional.

Posted by: Coolio at October 26, 2015 01:19 PM (0kpYX)

269 Supergirl is hot!

Posted by: Jeb! at October 26, 2015 01:19 PM (FkBIv)

270 More Drew Doom Thread

I think I'll go to the store. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 26, 2015 01:20 PM (No/ki)

271 I hope you will come and tell us if you get the job, Sambo but I'll try not to be jealous. :^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 26, 2015 01:15 PM (No/ki)

I will, definitely, let you know if it comes through.

Posted by: Sambo at October 26, 2015 01:20 PM (9UV3C)

272 The one thing you could say about Mitt Romney, he had personal character, was a hard worker, and put in the effort, and he was a responsible person worthy of commanding our armed forces.

Posted by: cjw at October 26, 2015 01:04 PM (UJ59J)

Incorrect on all accounts. Mittens is a despicable, lying, douchebag loser. Of course, one thing that is true about Mittens is that he never hid his love for feral government-forced health insurance, as he would drive home every time he made sure taht he said "and replace" when he would mention repealing BarkyCare (though he would always giggle in the middle).

Further, Mittens is an idiot who either likes losing or couldn't manage to beat Barky after the Indonesian America-hating retard had the worst Precedential term one could imagine, topped off by having our embassies ransacked and burned and people killed on the anniversary of 9/11, all while denying any military help to stop it (in a country where Barky had illlegally had our military shooting trucks in order to enforce a "no-fly zone") while dancing on the coffins of the dead lying his third-world ass off about the whole thing.

Yeah ... Mittens is a lowlife douche ... and now we have the collaborationist sidekick Mittens had picked for his run to obscurity about to take over the House Speakership ...

It's a good thing America is already dead and buried because the shame of this would ahve killed her. In the American Socialist Superstate, though, these are pretty cool happenings..

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at October 26, 2015 01:22 PM (zc3Db)

273 In a perfect world, that would be a smart long term strategy.
But in reality, it is voting for the lesser of two evils, and has gotten us to where we are today.

Posted by: OneEyedJack
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I have no illusions about a perfect world, thus my perspective. Given the realities of life, I would simply prefer to support a more conservative person, than a less conservative person.

If it possible, with discomfort, to circle a lake of fire, I would do so. Saying 'to hell with it' and jumping in is not an attractive alternative.

Some folk here are eager to hasten the socialist march, assuming that that something decent will emerge on the other side. Nothing dictates that eventuality. In point of fact, things tend to grow worse.

By way of example, would even the most jaded GOPe-hating conservative actually think that a Harry Reid dominated House would be preferable to a Ryan led house? That seems to be what I hear from time-to-time.

Does anyone here celebrate Obama's two terms? Seems to me that they ought to be, because they have certainly brought the nation to the brink. In spite of Romney's weaknesses and shortcomings, would things not have been better with him rather than Obama? I certainly think so, and yet I was not a big Romney supporter.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc.,etc. at October 26, 2015 01:22 PM (9mTYi)

274 Good luck to ya Sambo!

Posted by: Yip at October 26, 2015 01:23 PM (e7T6D)

275 Minorities don't care about social/religious issues, it's just the way it is. Republicans keep this hope alive but at the end of the day, they go with who gives them the graft.

We can get their votes if we go into their neighborhoods and sell conservatism.

Posted by: Deluded Republican dreamers at October 26, 2015 01:24 PM (FkBIv)

276 Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc.,etc. at October 26, 2015 01:22 PM (9mTYi)

Well said.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 26, 2015 01:24 PM (No/ki)

277 Love it, Rush is ripping Romney a new and larger asshole.

Posted by: Seems Legit at October 26, 2015 01:26 PM (Xa4vS)

278 249.

I think a "rust belt" Republican could do well on those issues, but I just think Santorum is a sort of weirdo and and that comes through loud and clear to most voters.

I'm not a SoCon, but Huckabee basically has the same formula but seems to be able to talk about those issues in a much better way without looking like some crackpot preacher yelling at people on a busy street corner how they're going to Hell.

Posted by: Coolio at October 26, 2015 01:26 PM (0kpYX)

279 Fingers crossed Sambo. My experience has been that the jobs I applied for but didn't get were all part of the refining process, so when I finally got the job I was wanted I was 100% polished and ready for it. Hope you get it but if not, hope it is a step forward to something even better!

Posted by: LizLem at October 26, 2015 01:27 PM (hvf9s)

280 Posted by: torquewrench at October 26, 2015 01:18 PM (noWW6)

wow. That's a bit much.

In Zimbabwe, you can get killed for voting for the wrong people.

Not quite so bad here yet and the populace in general is more educated and has news access that's almost impossible in Z.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at October 26, 2015 01:28 PM (Xo1Rt)

281 @236

Sambo, I would not vote for Jeb if he won. If Jeb, Trump, or Carson won, I'd vote libertarian. I liked Mitt for personal character reasons (and he was the conservative alternative to McCain in 2008, but then suddenly he's anathema??). but have no such attraction to the Bush dynasty.

And if you read the other part of my post, maybe as somebody putting in a ton of effort to win a job himself, you might share my disdain for Trump and Carson's lazy coasting (and also perhaps for jeb's family entitlement.)

Posted by: Cjw at October 26, 2015 01:29 PM (KklUr)

282 nood, more DrewM

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at October 26, 2015 01:30 PM (t2KH5)

283 Has Trump been talking tariffs?

Not that I'm aware of. He has a website with his positions on it, IIANM.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 26, 2015 01:33 PM (LUgeY)

284 OT: World Health Org (WHO) is ruling that processed meats--bacon, ham, sausage--are as bad for you as smoking.
A plot by the Muslim halal cabal? I am only half joking on that.
Posted by: LizLem at October 26, 2015 12:59 PM (hvf9s)
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Curing meats allows northern people to survive over winter. Most of them were pale. It must be a bad thing.

Posted by: mustbequantum at October 26, 2015 01:34 PM (MIKMs)

285 Sambo, I would not vote for Jeb if he won. If Jeb, Trump, or Carson won, I'd vote libertarian. I liked Mitt for personal character reasons (and he was the conservative alternative to McCain in 2008, but then suddenly he's anathema??). but have no such attraction to the Bush dynasty.

And if you read the other part of my post, maybe as somebody putting in a ton of effort to win a job himself, you might share my disdain for Trump and Carson's lazy coasting (and also perhaps for jeb's family entitlement.)
Posted by: Cjw at October 26, 2015 01:29 PM (KklUr)

Okay. What you say makes sense - Romney was the conservative alternative to McCain - but I think a better read on history is that Romney was most recent attempt for the establishment to hornswaggle the Tea Party momentum, run as a conservative and govern as an establishment liberal republican. We might have gotten a little from him, but not much. In either case though, our problem is less the Republicans running to the right and governing to the left, and more that society has so fundamentally changed that very few people carrying the Republican label can win a national election any more - regardless of how bad the Democrat nominee is. I think Obumbles two victories prove this. In my view, Trump, who will probably be a crappy president, is an unquantifiable variable. He is all over the place. His brash nature, while a turn-off for me, actually appeals to the reality TV watching LIV's that keep giving elections to Democrats. The media doesn't know how to handle him, so he negates at least some of their influence over his candidacy.

I would vote for Trump, like I voted for Romney, even though he is a mixed bag. I wouldn't vote for Jeb. I would likely vote for Carson. I would definitely vote for Cruz. I would probably vote for Paul. I might vote for Carly.

Posted by: Sambo at October 26, 2015 01:37 PM (9UV3C)

286 Trump hates persons of color and only cares about money. him and Bush have done grave damage to this country and also really hurt Gays and lesbian children by denying them healthcare even thougth the affartable hellcare act passed 10 years ago. Bush lied to America and Brattlewboro demands he be arrested and placed in a jail with no hellthcare then !!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstien from Brattleboro, VT at October 26, 2015 02:05 PM (EIFYf)

287 Two new live-person polls released just this morning has Carson +12 and Carson +14 over Trump in Iowa.

Trump has sank in the polls immediately after the last two debates. Two new debates in two weeks. Trump is in deep, deep trouble. DEEP TROUBLE.
Posted by: Greymarch at October 26, 2015 12:27 PM (cojlL)

No he's not. Carson has all of his eggs in Iowa. Trump is leading in NH and SC. Iowa hasn't meant a whole lot the last few elections.

Posted by: WOPR at October 26, 2015 02:10 PM (LTDSy)

288 Winning Iowa is pretty much an iron-clad guarantee that you will not win the nomination.

The Iowa Caucus is a sham of a fake of joke of a primary.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 26, 2015 02:27 PM (0cMkb)

289
Mitt Romney, he had personal character, was a hard worker, and put in the effort
Posted by: cjw

Now if you'll excuse me, since I've got the nomination sew up, time to have a six week family vacation and jet over to London to watch the wife's magic dancing horsie in action.

Posted by: Mitt Romney - Summer 2012

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 26, 2015 03:52 PM (kdS6q)

290 Fuck you Mittens. I just my Blue Cross plan for 2016 in the mail. $2852 a MONTH for two adults and one child. That's 57k a year pre-tax.

Posted by: daninmichigan at October 26, 2015 04:27 PM (2yD4G)

291 My question is (and has always been) why didn't the changes only affect healthcare INSURANCE? Why didn't something get done to afford healthcare?

I know it's the money, but jeez...Orwell's 1984 wasn't meant to be a instruction guide. Calling it affordable healthcare is wrong.

Posted by: adsile at October 26, 2015 04:39 PM (AR612)

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