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Carson Tops Trump Big In Iowa, 28-20, Per Qunnippiac Poll,
Trump gets most of the headlines, and causes the most consternation in the Establishment, but Ben Carson is frequently right there with Trump.
I think it would be amusing if the Establishment turned their guns on Trump, knocked him out, and escorted Ben Carson to the nomination. This might just be one poll but Carson has been shown ahead of Trump in Iowa before. Allah goes deeper into it, and finds it to be a very bad poll for Trump beyond the toplines. 30% of Iowa voters say they definitely would not vote for Trump, which is higher than resistance to Bush, and certainly higher to resistance to Carson (which is only at 4%). Every once in a while there's a poll that's really bad for Trump and everyone jumps on it either out of anti-Trump bias or simple interest -- it's kind of boring to just re-report that Trump's on top. There's a bias in news coverage in favor of change and against stasis (and that sort of bias applies to nonpartisans too). This could just be one of those occasional bad polls for Trump, or we could see the emergence of the Establishment's new favorite stalking horse to take down Trump -- Ben Carson. Trump Taunts Iowans: I think this is a retweet. It's not smart to retweet it, given that Iowans are very, very proud (and thin-skinned, and jealous) of their early-voting privilege."@mygreenhippo #BenCarson is now leading in the #polls in #Iowa. Too much #Monsanto in the #corn creates issues in the brain? #Trump #GOP"
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 22, 2015The young intern who accidentally did a Retweet apologizes.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 22, 2015Comments
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Not sure if any poll is meaningful until after Iowa.
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at October 22, 2015 12:03 PM (RD7QR)
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Iowans thought they meant Johnny Carson.
Posted by: Roy at October 22, 2015 12:04 PM (VndSC)
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Echooooo
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at October 22, 2015 12:04 PM (RD7QR)
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Has Carson changed his 2A position yet? Or that Free Med School crap?
Forget the other couple of issues he's iffy on.
Forget the other couple of issues he's iffy on.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at October 22, 2015 12:04 PM (Wckf4)
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Iowans haven't actually heard Ben Carson talk, now have they?
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 22, 2015 12:05 PM (so+oy)
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It would be funny. But they would turn their guns on Carson immediately after Trump is dispatched.
Don't you find it somewhat curious about the efforts to boost the "outsider" Fiorina, but yet the outsider Carson has not really gotten any push?
Don't you find it somewhat curious about the efforts to boost the "outsider" Fiorina, but yet the outsider Carson has not really gotten any push?
Posted by: buzzion at October 22, 2015 12:06 PM (zt+N6)
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Sadly, I am one of those people who think Carson, while perhaps a "good person," is such an absolute neophyte, and who lacks any of Trumps wild-man charisma, that he stands zero chance of winning the general election.
If, as Ace fantasizes, Carson gets the nods, get ready for president Sanders.
If, as Ace fantasizes, Carson gets the nods, get ready for president Sanders.
Posted by: zombie at October 22, 2015 12:06 PM (jBuUi)
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Iowans do like their Huckabee types, so I'm not all that surprised.
Should be fun to see Trump go after him...
Should be fun to see Trump go after him...
Posted by: Phil at October 22, 2015 12:07 PM (39FGM)
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That's why he is being attacked so hard.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2015 12:07 PM (qCMvj)
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Whisperin' Ben is a good guy but I don't see him running against Hillary. She would stomp him.
Posted by: Lester at October 22, 2015 12:08 PM (2UPXV)
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Iowa is full of white, social conservative, ethanol socialists who are eager to demonstrate that they are not racist.
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at October 22, 2015 12:08 PM (nFdGS)
Posted by: brak at October 22, 2015 12:08 PM (xwPSp)
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Cruz is my #1, but I'll be honest and say that I would not be bothered at all if the nod goes to Carson. And that's an about face for me, because I thought at the beginning that his was a vanity/personality campaign. But, aside from him being obviously very smart because brain surgeon, he seems to have really learned a hell of a lot and honed his message and views quite a bit since he first got on the trail. He's looking sharper and sharper as time goes on and it would be nice to have a genuinely good person in the office for once.
I dunno. Maybe he'll do something super stupid and knock himself out, but at this point he has grown on me quite a bit.
I dunno. Maybe he'll do something super stupid and knock himself out, but at this point he has grown on me quite a bit.
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at October 22, 2015 12:08 PM (KkVB6)
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I'd like to see beat Trump in several polls at least once, just to hear the answer to the question "Mr. Trump: would you accept the VP nomination for candidate ".
Posted by: jwb7605 at October 22, 2015 12:09 PM (DofIg)
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Forget the other couple of issues he's iffy on.
Posted by: Burn the Witch
He's aggressively creationist, which to me is a total embarrassment, even though I realize that view won't count against him with most old-fashioned conservatives. The Left/MSM will rip him a new one over it.
Posted by: Burn the Witch
He's aggressively creationist, which to me is a total embarrassment, even though I realize that view won't count against him with most old-fashioned conservatives. The Left/MSM will rip him a new one over it.
Posted by: zombie at October 22, 2015 12:09 PM (jBuUi)
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Hillary: Eric Stratton School of Smoke and Mirrors
Posted by: DM at October 22, 2015 12:09 PM (j/tOh)
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Anyone know Carson stance on ethanol subsidies?
Iowa loves Huckabee and Santorum. They have never been close to being POTUS
I can never figure out why Iowa is important or is thought of reflective of anything but Iowa
Iowa loves Huckabee and Santorum. They have never been close to being POTUS
I can never figure out why Iowa is important or is thought of reflective of anything but Iowa
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at October 22, 2015 12:09 PM (yXQZ6)
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Trump has been more or less cordial to Carson over the last month or so. It will be interesting to see how long that holds up. I do suspect Carson's numbers are a little less battle-tested than Trump's.
Posted by: Jake at October 22, 2015 12:10 PM (FfwgN)
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"I followed the law, Congressman," Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: DM at October 22, 2015 12:10 PM (j/tOh)
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well.
it turns out if you put text inside ">" and ">" (less than and greater than if that disappeared) characters the whole damn thing vaporizes and your sentence makes very little sense.
Thanks Pixy!
it turns out if you put text inside ">" and ">" (less than and greater than if that disappeared) characters the whole damn thing vaporizes and your sentence makes very little sense.
Thanks Pixy!
Posted by: jwb7605 at October 22, 2015 12:11 PM (DofIg)
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If Carson were the nominee, how would he fare with african american voters in the general election?
Posted by: Paul Ryan at October 22, 2015 12:11 PM (/eTPT)
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Politico's Top Columnist Slams Ben Carson, Brain-Damaged Wolf in Sheep's Clothing
Alan Colmes: Ben Carson is Popular Because American Voters Are Stupid
Lefty Professor: Racists 'Control' Ben Carson, Who's 'Steeped In Their Brand of Tea'
but, one outlier
Shocker: ABC Offers Positive Portrait of 'Amazing' Ben Carson
http://newsbusters.org
Politico's Top Columnist Slams Ben Carson, Brain-Damaged Wolf in Sheep's Clothing
Alan Colmes: Ben Carson is Popular Because American Voters Are Stupid
Lefty Professor: Racists 'Control' Ben Carson, Who's 'Steeped In Their Brand of Tea'
but, one outlier
Shocker: ABC Offers Positive Portrait of 'Amazing' Ben Carson
http://newsbusters.org
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2015 12:12 PM (qCMvj)
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Iowa has never represented any national trend. It's a land of religious democrats
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at October 22, 2015 12:12 PM (yXQZ6)
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get ready to hear about how weird 7th Day Adventism is in 3...2..1...
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at October 22, 2015 12:12 PM (/eTPT)
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Great, the GOPe pinning their hopes on an inexperienced African American who is soft spoken. Compared to an inexperienced blow hard.
Good times. Hope I have enough popcorn for this.
Good times. Hope I have enough popcorn for this.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 22, 2015 12:13 PM (+c55T)
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21 If Carson were the nominee, how would he fare with african american voters in the general election?
Posted by: Paul Ryan at October 22, 2015 12:11 PM (/eTPT)
Probably not that well, because he has an R in front of the name.
You would see massive amounts of blacks not voting for him because of his skin color because racist and stuff.
Posted by: Paul Ryan at October 22, 2015 12:11 PM (/eTPT)
Probably not that well, because he has an R in front of the name.
You would see massive amounts of blacks not voting for him because of his skin color because racist and stuff.
Posted by: jwb7605 at October 22, 2015 12:13 PM (DofIg)
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Bill Kristol expects the ticket to be Rubio / Fiorina. He may be correct. Then again, he may not.
It must be nice to get paid for such precision.
It must be nice to get paid for such precision.
Posted by: pep at October 22, 2015 12:13 PM (GMG6W)
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I can never figure out why Iowa is important or is thought of reflective of anything but Iowa
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at October 22, 2015 12:09 PM (yXQZ6
IOWA
Idiots
Out
Walking
About
I can never figure out why Iowa is important or is thought of reflective of anything but Iowa
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at October 22, 2015 12:09 PM (yXQZ6
IOWA
Idiots
Out
Walking
About
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 22, 2015 12:14 PM (+c55T)
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Here in Texas, GOPE now pines for Rubio/Kasich
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at October 22, 2015 12:14 PM (yXQZ6)
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Isn't Qunnippiac Poll a NY outfit that never gets it right concerning any of those detestable white guys?
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 22, 2015 12:14 PM (oDCMR)
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GOPE will use Carson to get rid of Trump if they can. They want Rubio now
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at October 22, 2015 12:16 PM (yXQZ6)
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The kind of voters who turn out in Iowa tend to be unusual, to say the least, compared to most other early states.
Santorum, Huckabee, Pat Robertson, and other second tier or lower candidates have done well there historically and generally made no significant movement afterward.
Carson may beat Trump there but I don't see Iowa as being the state that will deal a major blow to Trump's chances. He's well positioned in NH, SC, NV, etc, as of now and the winner of NH tends to be the nominee.
Santorum, Huckabee, Pat Robertson, and other second tier or lower candidates have done well there historically and generally made no significant movement afterward.
Carson may beat Trump there but I don't see Iowa as being the state that will deal a major blow to Trump's chances. He's well positioned in NH, SC, NV, etc, as of now and the winner of NH tends to be the nominee.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 22, 2015 12:16 PM (4BGeF)
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27 Bill Kristol expects the ticket to be Rubio / Fiorina. He may be correct. Then again, he may not.
It must be nice to get paid for such precision.
Posted by: pep at October 22, 2015 12:13 PM (GMG6W)
It certainly is good to have a job where you can be less accurate than your local weatherman and still be considered an expert.
It must be nice to get paid for such precision.
Posted by: pep at October 22, 2015 12:13 PM (GMG6W)
It certainly is good to have a job where you can be less accurate than your local weatherman and still be considered an expert.
Posted by: Dick Morris at October 22, 2015 12:16 PM (zt+N6)
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Nobody actually thinks black people will vote for a black Republican, do they?
Black Republican would probably get less black votes than white Republican.
Black Republican would probably get less black votes than white Republican.
Posted by: Chupacabra at October 22, 2015 12:16 PM (XiVKO)
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Carson seems to me to have fully reversed his past 2nd-A statements.
I mean, he's now saying that if the Jews had guns, they could have forestalled the Holocaust. That's the central argument for gun rights (resisting a tyrannical state) that only "nuts" talk about.
(And I don't mean they're "nuts" -- i mean they're taken to be such by gun-grabbers and establishment types who prefer to talk about soft things like "hunting.")
I mean, he's now saying that if the Jews had guns, they could have forestalled the Holocaust. That's the central argument for gun rights (resisting a tyrannical state) that only "nuts" talk about.
(And I don't mean they're "nuts" -- i mean they're taken to be such by gun-grabbers and establishment types who prefer to talk about soft things like "hunting.")
Posted by: ace at October 22, 2015 12:16 PM (dciA+)
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Carson actually polls better against Hillary! than any other GOP candidate. He leads her by five points in the RCP average, while she leads Trump by three.
Carson actually polls better against Hillary! than any other GOP candidate. He leads her by five points in the RCP average, while she leads Trump by three.
Posted by: Jar-Jar Binks at October 22, 2015 12:16 PM (HA+/6)
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Ben Carson as establishment stalking horse?
Not from what I've heard, but it's a theory I guess.
They certainly would enjoy Carson knocking Trump out....right before they proceed to destroy Carson.
Not from what I've heard, but it's a theory I guess.
They certainly would enjoy Carson knocking Trump out....right before they proceed to destroy Carson.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 22, 2015 12:17 PM (4ErVI)
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It certainly is good to have a job where you can be less accurate than your local weatherman and still be considered an expert.
Posted by: Dick Morris at October 22, 2015 12:16 PM (zt+N6)
heh.
Posted by: Dick Morris at October 22, 2015 12:16 PM (zt+N6)
heh.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2015 12:17 PM (qCMvj)
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Ace, he's talking about chemicals, not money.
Posted by: creeper at October 22, 2015 12:18 PM (Hh8cI)
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Taunting happy fun ball. Dangerous.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 22, 2015 12:18 PM (+c55T)
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>>> Nobody actually thinks black people will vote for a black Republican, do they?
i think they might, or at least a larger percentage.
There is a percentage of the black vote which, were Republicans to receive it, would doom the Democrats. I don't know what that percentage is, but it's not huge. I think 15% might do it.
i think they might, or at least a larger percentage.
There is a percentage of the black vote which, were Republicans to receive it, would doom the Democrats. I don't know what that percentage is, but it's not huge. I think 15% might do it.
Posted by: ace at October 22, 2015 12:18 PM (dciA+)
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Question. Would Carson be savvy enough to know when GOPE is using him and if so what would he do
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at October 22, 2015 12:18 PM (yXQZ6)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 22, 2015 12:18 PM (FsuaD)
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And BTW, per your update, Iowa can eat my ass with regard to their spot on the voting schedule. They aren't representative of the party and have inordinate influence considering where the party's base lies geographically and ideologically.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 22, 2015 12:18 PM (4BGeF)
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I do suspect Carson's numbers are a little less battle-tested than Trump's.
Posted by: Jake at October 22, 2015 12:10 PM (F
Carson is like a buffer for Trump. This is one poll in a state that is a little different. Other states do not have these numbers nor do the national numbers reflect this. If and when there is any real threat in the polls, a hit insult (kill shot) is already in the can. Carson is safe and where the mushy middle go before pivoting to Trump. It causes less cognitive dissonance after being told for months that Trump is an idiot and conman.
Posted by: Jake at October 22, 2015 12:10 PM (F
Carson is like a buffer for Trump. This is one poll in a state that is a little different. Other states do not have these numbers nor do the national numbers reflect this. If and when there is any real threat in the polls, a hit insult (kill shot) is already in the can. Carson is safe and where the mushy middle go before pivoting to Trump. It causes less cognitive dissonance after being told for months that Trump is an idiot and conman.
Posted by: Lester at October 22, 2015 12:18 PM (2UPXV)
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I just don't think Carson could stand up to a real debate, one on one. He just does not know enough about the issues he would face as POTUS. TFG skated on this, too, but then, Romney...
I just don't think Carson could stand up to a real debate, one on one. He just does not know enough about the issues he would face as POTUS. TFG skated on this, too, but then, Romney...
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2015 12:18 PM (qCMvj)
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Omg I'm rolling at the Monsanto trolling! (Which I'm assuming is a gmo joke?)
If nothing else, trump is damned entertaining.
If nothing else, trump is damned entertaining.
Posted by: Lea at October 22, 2015 12:19 PM (BhCiv)
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Every time I hear about Iowa, I'm reminded of that great, now memory-holed, VodkaPundit rant after the Huckabee win in 08 in which he called them "corn-sucking idiots". Having lived there a few years, I can confirm that VP was right.
Posted by: Xander Crews at October 22, 2015 12:19 PM (cedIM)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 22, 2015 12:19 PM (kdS6q)
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43,
I don't think Hillary's taken a pounding like that since Webb Hubbell and the turkey baster decades ago.
I don't think Hillary's taken a pounding like that since Webb Hubbell and the turkey baster decades ago.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 22, 2015 12:20 PM (4BGeF)
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Hillary! is getting pounded. Hard.
*sidles away*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 22, 2015 12:18 PM (FsuaD)
I was out and missed all of it, but just watched the opening statement by Gowday over at therightscoop.
Wow, he pre-empts her on just about every topic, while bringing in the emotion. Good for him. It's serious and the Dems are all shrugging it off.
*sidles away*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 22, 2015 12:18 PM (FsuaD)
I was out and missed all of it, but just watched the opening statement by Gowday over at therightscoop.
Wow, he pre-empts her on just about every topic, while bringing in the emotion. Good for him. It's serious and the Dems are all shrugging it off.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2015 12:20 PM (qCMvj)
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Carson just doesn't seem serious about the presidency. I'd like to see him as Surgeon General, but that's it. I just don't see the decisiveness in him that a good president should have.
We are in serious trouble as a nation and it's going to take someone who's willing to take it to the leftards. I don't see Carson doing that.
Carson seems like a good man of medicine. I'd let him operate on my brain, if I had one.
We are in serious trouble as a nation and it's going to take someone who's willing to take it to the leftards. I don't see Carson doing that.
Carson seems like a good man of medicine. I'd let him operate on my brain, if I had one.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 22, 2015 12:20 PM (LUgeY)
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If Carson were the nominee, how would he fare with african american voters in the general election?
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It wouldn't take a big shift though to really make a difference. If Carson attracted 30% of black voters, he's basically in the White House.
What I don't understand ins why he doesn't hit the books hard instead of winging it.
I've seen far more Ben Carson stickers on car than any other candidate.
I can't "not like" the guy, but it's almost like he's not taking the whole thing very seriously.
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It wouldn't take a big shift though to really make a difference. If Carson attracted 30% of black voters, he's basically in the White House.
What I don't understand ins why he doesn't hit the books hard instead of winging it.
I've seen far more Ben Carson stickers on car than any other candidate.
I can't "not like" the guy, but it's almost like he's not taking the whole thing very seriously.
Posted by: Coolio at October 22, 2015 12:20 PM (fefoA)
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The angle for GOPe (Jeb, Christie, Rubio, Kasich) is to steal Carson's voters by damaging Carson. They have the common sense, now, to understand that Trump voters are forever beyond their reach. Where else can a flaccid, low energy, Mexican import Jeb find double digit numbers?
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 22, 2015 12:20 PM (oDCMR)
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27 Bill Kristol expects the ticket to be Rubio / Fiorina. He may be correct. Then again, he may not.
It must be nice to get paid for such precision.
Posted by: pep at October 22, 2015 12:13 PM (GMG6W
Ever since he quit blowing Quayle he has been an unsteady individual.
It must be nice to get paid for such precision.
Posted by: pep at October 22, 2015 12:13 PM (GMG6W
Ever since he quit blowing Quayle he has been an unsteady individual.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 22, 2015 12:20 PM (+c55T)
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There is a percentage of the black vote which, were Republicans to receive it, would doom the Democrats. I don't know what that percentage is, but it's not huge. I think 15% might do it.
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Do we expect the black vote to be as strong for HRC as we did Obama? Seems unlikely.
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Do we expect the black vote to be as strong for HRC as we did Obama? Seems unlikely.
Posted by: SH at October 22, 2015 12:20 PM (gmeXX)
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It's not smart to retweet it, given that Iowans are very, very proud (and thin-skinned, and jealous) of their early-voting privilege.
As kindly as I can put it....
Fuck Iowa.
Why there seems to be the need to have a center-left population that is dependent on government graft and corporate welfare have such a prominent role in picking a nominee is beyond me. Iowa is not representative nor should it be considered such.
So in sum, to Hell with them. If they take offense at being called out as the toadies they are, well, fine.
As kindly as I can put it....
Fuck Iowa.
Why there seems to be the need to have a center-left population that is dependent on government graft and corporate welfare have such a prominent role in picking a nominee is beyond me. Iowa is not representative nor should it be considered such.
So in sum, to Hell with them. If they take offense at being called out as the toadies they are, well, fine.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at October 22, 2015 12:21 PM (eytER)
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Ben Carson as establishment stalking horse?
Probably not deliberately. But he and Fiorina always struck me as less "anti-establishment" than "not yet establishment" (as opposed to their support which seems to be "no to the establishment").
Probably not deliberately. But he and Fiorina always struck me as less "anti-establishment" than "not yet establishment" (as opposed to their support which seems to be "no to the establishment").
Posted by: Methos at October 22, 2015 12:21 PM (ZbV+0)
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you don't have to accept that Iowans are important to accept that Iowans think Iowans are important, and that it might be impolitic to insult them 
Posted by: ace at October 22, 2015 12:21 PM (dciA+)
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I consider Iowans niche voters, particular, strange and representative of not much
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at October 22, 2015 12:21 PM (yXQZ6)
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As regular readers here will know, I'm no fan of Reince Priebus. However, I'll note that he has at least raised the possibility of changing the order of the state primaries.
He's on his way out, so now's the time, Reince.
He's on his way out, so now's the time, Reince.
Posted by: pep at October 22, 2015 12:22 PM (GMG6W)
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"Has Carson changed his 2A position yet? Or that Free Med School crap? Forget the other couple of issues he's iffy on."
How about his brainstorm to turn the Department of Education into a system for monitoring higher education for "extreme political bias"?
Yeah, there's no way THAT plan could ever be bent by the left to their own ends.
The guy is Colin Powell, M.D.
How about his brainstorm to turn the Department of Education into a system for monitoring higher education for "extreme political bias"?
Yeah, there's no way THAT plan could ever be bent by the left to their own ends.
The guy is Colin Powell, M.D.
Posted by: torquewrench at October 22, 2015 12:22 PM (noWW6)
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Mother928 in South Carolina supports Carson.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 22, 2015 12:22 PM (evdj2)
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It wouldn't take a big shift though to really make a difference. If Carson attracted 30% of black voters, he's basically in the White House.
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You only have to take 10% of the black vote to crater Democrat hopes. It's really not that much. Trump polls better with blacks, simply because his Law and Order Campaign on Immigration Amnesty plays to their fears.
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You only have to take 10% of the black vote to crater Democrat hopes. It's really not that much. Trump polls better with blacks, simply because his Law and Order Campaign on Immigration Amnesty plays to their fears.
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 22, 2015 12:22 PM (oDCMR)
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Apparently (what I don't know from the HQ I hear listening to Morning Joe) Carson is huge in Iowa and was before the campaign.
The home schoolers teach his book, show the movie about his life.
Trump just got an applause line in Iowa for saying "you know I'm a Christian", but Iowans *know* Carson is a Christian.
The home schoolers teach his book, show the movie about his life.
Trump just got an applause line in Iowa for saying "you know I'm a Christian", but Iowans *know* Carson is a Christian.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 22, 2015 12:23 PM (JtwS4)
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What's Carson's stance on immigration? Is he even aware of most issues that people are concerned about? And isn't surgery even less related to governing, than, say, running a business, like Trump.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at October 22, 2015 12:23 PM (E5UB0)
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i think Carson is a quick study, an actual american experience, , You know if he gets the right people with him He could get a good administration.
his focus in life hasn't been political so i want that and admire that but don't know how strong that makes him in the fight with the dems. and this overwhelming govt albatross of hell ?
his focus in life hasn't been political so i want that and admire that but don't know how strong that makes him in the fight with the dems. and this overwhelming govt albatross of hell ?
Posted by: willow at October 22, 2015 12:23 PM (CNua6)
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The angle for GOPe (Jeb, Christie, Rubio, Kasich) is to steal Carson's voters by damaging Carson.
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What do you mean by "damage." Strikes me as potentially backfiring, as Carson seems a decent fellow. Is it somewhat better to wait until voters come back home? Are voters really going to vote Carson? Easy to say yes in a poll, harder to do when you are actually in the voting booth.
My own hunch is that Trump and Carson's are overstated in that regard, with Trump having the deeper support.
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What do you mean by "damage." Strikes me as potentially backfiring, as Carson seems a decent fellow. Is it somewhat better to wait until voters come back home? Are voters really going to vote Carson? Easy to say yes in a poll, harder to do when you are actually in the voting booth.
My own hunch is that Trump and Carson's are overstated in that regard, with Trump having the deeper support.
Posted by: SH at October 22, 2015 12:23 PM (gmeXX)
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Carson - Not Jeb. Not Rubio. Not Kasich. Not Graham.
Can you hear your voters now?
No more GOPe, inside the DC beltway tools.
Can you hear your voters now?
No more GOPe, inside the DC beltway tools.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 22, 2015 12:23 PM (NOIQH)
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Rinse Pubus, lather repeat
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 22, 2015 12:23 PM (+c55T)
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Sadly, I am one of those people who think Carson, while perhaps a "good
person," is such an absolute neophyte, and who lacks any of Trumps
wild-man charisma, that he stands zero chance of winning the general
election.
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It would be rather fun to pull out a lot of the "Bros before Hos" crap that Obama's people through on the internet in 2008 if it is Carson v Clinton in the general.
Oh, and the youngish looking Carson (how is he 64?) running against Clinton would make a lot of Dem talking points harder to make.
person," is such an absolute neophyte, and who lacks any of Trumps
wild-man charisma, that he stands zero chance of winning the general
election.
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It would be rather fun to pull out a lot of the "Bros before Hos" crap that Obama's people through on the internet in 2008 if it is Carson v Clinton in the general.
Oh, and the youngish looking Carson (how is he 64?) running against Clinton would make a lot of Dem talking points harder to make.
Posted by: 18-1 at October 22, 2015 12:24 PM (X7E8f)
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Carson seems like a good Christian outsider. He's attracting support that would probably go the Huckabee in his absence.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 22, 2015 12:24 PM (evdj2)
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Whisperin' Ben is a good guy but I don't see him running against Hillary. She would stomp him.
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Damn right we would.
Whisperin' Ben is a good guy but I don't see him running against Hillary. She would stomp him.
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Damn right we would.
Posted by: Hillary!s feet at October 22, 2015 12:24 PM (wAQA5)
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Iowa is exceptional the same way Cornhuskers think Nebraska is exceptional.
Posted by: King Barry at October 22, 2015 12:24 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at October 22, 2015 12:24 PM (yXQZ6)
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i think Carson is a quick study, an actual american experience, , You know if he gets the right people with him He could get a good administration.
his focus in life hasn't been political so i want that and admire that but don't know how strong that makes him in the fight with the dems. and this overwhelming govt albatross of hell ?
Posted by: willow at October 22, 2015 12:23 PM (CNua6)
I agree, but he would have to get through the debates first. I think he'll be destroyed, unless he does his homework. There's so much to study.
his focus in life hasn't been political so i want that and admire that but don't know how strong that makes him in the fight with the dems. and this overwhelming govt albatross of hell ?
Posted by: willow at October 22, 2015 12:23 PM (CNua6)
I agree, but he would have to get through the debates first. I think he'll be destroyed, unless he does his homework. There's so much to study.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2015 12:24 PM (qCMvj)
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With our pointy little shoes.
Posted by: Hillary!s feet at October 22, 2015 12:25 PM (wAQA5)
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you don't have to accept that Iowans are important to accept that Iowans think Iowans are important, and that it might be impolitic to insult them
Posted by: ace at October 22, 2015 12:21 PM (dciA+)
ok, but i'm feeling really cross with the last two elections they helped us with.
cough.
so iowans if you like your state , and wanna keep your state ..
is this when i go all Trump om em?
Posted by: ace at October 22, 2015 12:21 PM (dciA+)
ok, but i'm feeling really cross with the last two elections they helped us with.
cough.
so iowans if you like your state , and wanna keep your state ..
is this when i go all Trump om em?
Posted by: willow at October 22, 2015 12:25 PM (CNua6)
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Guessing this is not a coincidence that he polls higher after coming out strong for gun ownership (finally!) and honesty about Islam's inability to separate government from sharia law.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 22, 2015 12:25 PM (NOIQH)
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74 Iowa is exceptional the same way Cornhuskers think Nebraska is exceptional.
Posted by: King Barry at October 22, 2015 12:24 PM (2Ojst)
Exceptionally flat?
Posted by: King Barry at October 22, 2015 12:24 PM (2Ojst)
Exceptionally flat?
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at October 22, 2015 12:25 PM (RD7QR)
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What's Carson's stance on immigration? Is he even aware of most issues
that people are concerned about? And isn't surgery even less related to
governing, than, say, running a business, like Trump.
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The American people have a potentially terminal tumor they need removed called crony socialism...and Carson's the guy to wield the scapel.
/Obligatory Carson slogan
that people are concerned about? And isn't surgery even less related to
governing, than, say, running a business, like Trump.
***
The American people have a potentially terminal tumor they need removed called crony socialism...and Carson's the guy to wield the scapel.
/Obligatory Carson slogan
Posted by: 18-1 at October 22, 2015 12:26 PM (X7E8f)
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If that's the case, he's retweeting someone saying that pesticides have made Iowans mentally impaired!
That's exactly what he's saying. Monsanto also has been a big target of engineered food.
That's exactly what he's saying. Monsanto also has been a big target of engineered food.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2015 12:26 PM (qCMvj)
83
Carson'16: Cut to the bone.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 22, 2015 12:26 PM (evdj2)
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68 The angle for GOPe (Jeb, Christie, Rubio, Kasich) is to steal Carson's voters by damaging Carson.
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What do you mean by "damage." Strikes me as potentially backfiring, as Carson seems a decent fellow. Is it somewhat better to wait until voters come back home? Are voters really going to vote Carson? Easy to say yes in a poll, harder to do when you are actually in the voting booth.
My own hunch is that Trump and Carson's are overstated in that regard, with Trump having the deeper support.
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So whose vote would you recommend Jeb and Bronies go after with their Chamber of Commerce loot? Carson is 20%, Trump 28% and Jeb is at 4-8%? What is the quickest and most practical path for Jeb to become a double digit player?
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What do you mean by "damage." Strikes me as potentially backfiring, as Carson seems a decent fellow. Is it somewhat better to wait until voters come back home? Are voters really going to vote Carson? Easy to say yes in a poll, harder to do when you are actually in the voting booth.
My own hunch is that Trump and Carson's are overstated in that regard, with Trump having the deeper support.
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So whose vote would you recommend Jeb and Bronies go after with their Chamber of Commerce loot? Carson is 20%, Trump 28% and Jeb is at 4-8%? What is the quickest and most practical path for Jeb to become a double digit player?
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 22, 2015 12:27 PM (oDCMR)
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I'm in Iowa and willing to admit that every word written here about us is true.
So which state would you rather have go first?
Be careful what you wish for. Our phones started ringing off the hook with political calls three months ago. This will continue for the next thirteen. Our mailbox overflows with campaign literature. The teeveee is already crawling with political ads. Consider the campaign season you're used to in your state. Now stretch that over more than a year. Still want to go there?
On the up side, we do make out like bandits economically.
So which state would you rather have go first?
Be careful what you wish for. Our phones started ringing off the hook with political calls three months ago. This will continue for the next thirteen. Our mailbox overflows with campaign literature. The teeveee is already crawling with political ads. Consider the campaign season you're used to in your state. Now stretch that over more than a year. Still want to go there?
On the up side, we do make out like bandits economically.
Posted by: creeper at October 22, 2015 12:27 PM (Hh8cI)
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I agree, but he would have to get through the debates first. I think he'll be destroyed, unless he does his homework. There's so much to study.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2015 12:24 PM (qCMvj)
that's the pickle in this.
I am so sick of politicians and their lies!
but yet we must doo a a politician to win?
or maybe trump their asses
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2015 12:24 PM (qCMvj)
that's the pickle in this.
I am so sick of politicians and their lies!
but yet we must doo a a politician to win?
or maybe trump their asses
Posted by: willow at October 22, 2015 12:27 PM (CNua6)
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"There's a bias in news coverage in favor of change and against stasis."
I believe that's why they call it that.
I believe that's why they call it that.
Posted by: mrparx at October 22, 2015 12:27 PM (01dwf)
88
Hillary! saying it was "deeply distressing" when they learned about the Benghazi deaths.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 22, 2015 12:27 PM (FsuaD)
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48% to non-establishment is good to me. At this point I could probably make my peace with Trump OR Carson. Carson *is* what Obama was sold as, only without the socialism, while Trump has an F U appeal that is hard to resist.
Posted by: FightWinger at October 22, 2015 12:27 PM (sQQU0)
90
"There is a percentage of the black vote which, were Republicans to receive it, would doom the Democrats."
Even if a moderately sized cohort of blacks simply stay home, and don't do any crossover voting, Democrats would be in trouble.
Black turnout on Election Day at, say, 2004 levels, the last presidential campaign where they weren't enthusiastic? Bad bad news for Democrats.
More recently than 2004, the Republican gains in 2010 and 2014 happened because in those cycles, midterm elections, there was not a Historic First Black Superhero President with his name on the ballot, and so blacks slacked. Democrats in lower level races got pummeled.
Even if a moderately sized cohort of blacks simply stay home, and don't do any crossover voting, Democrats would be in trouble.
Black turnout on Election Day at, say, 2004 levels, the last presidential campaign where they weren't enthusiastic? Bad bad news for Democrats.
More recently than 2004, the Republican gains in 2010 and 2014 happened because in those cycles, midterm elections, there was not a Historic First Black Superhero President with his name on the ballot, and so blacks slacked. Democrats in lower level races got pummeled.
Posted by: torquewrench at October 22, 2015 12:27 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 22, 2015 12:27 PM (+c55T)
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And isn't surgery even less related to
governing, than, say, running a business, like Trump.
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Not necessarily. I'd prefer governing be more like triage - there in an emergency, less like running a business, because it is nothing like running a business.
governing, than, say, running a business, like Trump.
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Not necessarily. I'd prefer governing be more like triage - there in an emergency, less like running a business, because it is nothing like running a business.
Posted by: SH at October 22, 2015 12:28 PM (gmeXX)
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You only have to take 10% of the black vote to crater Democrat hopes. It's really not that much. Trump polls better with blacks, simply because his Law and Order Campaign on Immigration Amnesty plays to their fears.
Posted by: Puddin Head
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I don't know about 10%, I think the usual split is pretty close to 90/10 already.
But splitting the difference, A Republican getting 15% plus of the black vote is a game changer. Especially since there is a large black vote in the real "must win" swing states like Ohio, Virginia, and Florida. You could even maybe make a play for PA.
My fear with Trump is female voters. He would absolutely have to put a female on the ticket.
Posted by: Puddin Head
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I don't know about 10%, I think the usual split is pretty close to 90/10 already.
But splitting the difference, A Republican getting 15% plus of the black vote is a game changer. Especially since there is a large black vote in the real "must win" swing states like Ohio, Virginia, and Florida. You could even maybe make a play for PA.
My fear with Trump is female voters. He would absolutely have to put a female on the ticket.
Posted by: Coolio at October 22, 2015 12:28 PM (fefoA)
94
skankles should have a lie detector attached to her at all times -- she's lying and lying and lying
and, the Dems are giving her cover and discussing "feelings"
embarrassing
skankles should have a lie detector attached to her at all times -- she's lying and lying and lying
and, the Dems are giving her cover and discussing "feelings"
embarrassing
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2015 12:28 PM (qCMvj)
95
as many have expressed, I "like" ben carson a lot, and I can see some political upside, but he never impresses me with his statements. they either meander, or he says something so extreme it makes you think he just encountered the issue for the first time. (When people first come to an issue, they tend to be very extreme, as they veer from one way of thinking to another based on what they just read; as people read more, they have more of an experience and knowledge base that cushions the impact of new arguments or new information.)
Posted by: ace at October 22, 2015 12:28 PM (dciA+)
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59 you don't have to accept that Iowans are important to accept that Iowans think Iowans are important, and that it might be impolitic to insult them
Posted by: ace at October 22, 2015 12:21 PM (dciA+)
Yeah, a candidate and those involved in a campaign should not be going out and taking insults at any states, (looking at all the people that had a hissy fit when Walker fired that dumb woman.)
There are ways to take a dig at Iowa's first in the nation status without being a dick about it. Like simply saying that you think a state with a Primary and a more Republican representative resident makeup should be the first Primary.
Posted by: ace at October 22, 2015 12:21 PM (dciA+)
Yeah, a candidate and those involved in a campaign should not be going out and taking insults at any states, (looking at all the people that had a hissy fit when Walker fired that dumb woman.)
There are ways to take a dig at Iowa's first in the nation status without being a dick about it. Like simply saying that you think a state with a Primary and a more Republican representative resident makeup should be the first Primary.
Posted by: buzzion at October 22, 2015 12:28 PM (zt+N6)
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I wish Trump was in the committee room now.
He would open a can of industrial strength whoop ass on that bitch.
He would open a can of industrial strength whoop ass on that bitch.
Posted by: jwest at October 22, 2015 12:29 PM (Zs4uk)
98
Carson's not my guy, but watching him over the past 3 weeks or so (especially on The View), have to say I like his quiet, calm demeanor while being absolutely direct in response to Lefty baiting.
Someone here has said "When Carson gets that sleepy look ---watch out!"
Heh, so true.
Someone here has said "When Carson gets that sleepy look ---watch out!"
Heh, so true.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 22, 2015 12:29 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 22, 2015 12:29 PM (FsuaD)
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What is the quickest and most practical path for Jeb to become a double digit player?
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There is no quick path for him. His path is to play the long game, and just hang around and hope people come to him.
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There is no quick path for him. His path is to play the long game, and just hang around and hope people come to him.
Posted by: SH at October 22, 2015 12:29 PM (gmeXX)
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To use the Muslim Supporting Media's own term, a grim milestone has happened in Iraq. The first American soldier to die in Iraq since the pull-out in 2011 has been killed assisting Kurdish forces in raiding a VagISIL prison.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/owmzmkv
http://preview.tinyurl.com/owmzmkv
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2015 12:30 PM (VOZeJ)
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Posted by: artisanal 'ette
she should pull out the gramma and menopause card soon.
hell i'm going to see if it'll work for me.
she should pull out the gramma and menopause card soon.
hell i'm going to see if it'll work for me.
Posted by: willow at October 22, 2015 12:30 PM (CNua6)
103
Carson'16: Because it is a tumah
Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 22, 2015 12:30 PM (evdj2)
104
Here in Texas, GOPE now pines for Rubio/Kasich
Posted by: ThunderB
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Hey! That's Kasich/Rubio! A winning ticket.. embrace it!
Posted by: ThunderB
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Hey! That's Kasich/Rubio! A winning ticket.. embrace it!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 22, 2015 12:30 PM (so+oy)
105
Carson is 20%, Trump 28% and Jeb is at 4-8%? What is the quickest and most practical path for Jeb to become a double digit player?
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 22, 2015 12:27 PM (oDCM
Do the Bush's know some mafia types?
I just don't Jeb entering double digits anymore. Maybe I'm too optimistic
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 22, 2015 12:27 PM (oDCM
Do the Bush's know some mafia types?
I just don't Jeb entering double digits anymore. Maybe I'm too optimistic
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 22, 2015 12:30 PM (+c55T)
106
Hillary! looking like her Depends just crawled up her butt.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 22, 2015 12:31 PM (FsuaD)
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Posted by: willow at October 22, 2015 12:23 PM
He has some very sketchy people around him. Armstrong Williams is a scammer and his pal for a long time. I know Baltimore doesn't have much to offer that is much better but still that doesn't seem like a very astute judge of character nor someone who attracts the best and brightest. I don't think Carson is a scumbag but he doesn't seem to have a problem being surrounded by some. If it is cluelessness or naivete we don't need that in DC.
He has some very sketchy people around him. Armstrong Williams is a scammer and his pal for a long time. I know Baltimore doesn't have much to offer that is much better but still that doesn't seem like a very astute judge of character nor someone who attracts the best and brightest. I don't think Carson is a scumbag but he doesn't seem to have a problem being surrounded by some. If it is cluelessness or naivete we don't need that in DC.
Posted by: Lester at October 22, 2015 12:31 PM (2UPXV)
108
94
skankles should have a lie detector attached to her at all times -- she's lying and lying and lying
and, the Dems are giving her cover and discussing "feelings"
embarrassing
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2015 12:28 PM (qCMvj)
She'd beat the pants off a polygraph. Lying is so natural to her that I don't think she'd have a single, detectable physiological change no matter how much she lied. Any increase in heart rate or respiratory rate would be due to her narcissistic rage at someone daring to question her in any way.
skankles should have a lie detector attached to her at all times -- she's lying and lying and lying
and, the Dems are giving her cover and discussing "feelings"
embarrassing
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2015 12:28 PM (qCMvj)
She'd beat the pants off a polygraph. Lying is so natural to her that I don't think she'd have a single, detectable physiological change no matter how much she lied. Any increase in heart rate or respiratory rate would be due to her narcissistic rage at someone daring to question her in any way.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 22, 2015 12:31 PM (2Ojst)
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Everyone who spends time attempting to take down Trump ends up sounding like the same old hollow establishmentarian.
It doesn't matter what your credentials are.
Things are so bad in our nation that there's an "You're either for us or against us" mentality.
You can fight that if you want. Or you can acknowledge that it is a force, a physical reality at this point.
And stop picking on Trump.
It doesn't matter what your credentials are.
Things are so bad in our nation that there's an "You're either for us or against us" mentality.
You can fight that if you want. Or you can acknowledge that it is a force, a physical reality at this point.
And stop picking on Trump.
Posted by: Pastorius at October 22, 2015 12:31 PM (gMAUH)
Posted by: Donald Trump at October 22, 2015 12:31 PM (dciA+)
111
Oopsie! Now Hillary! is being questioned about The Video.
And I'm out of popcorn.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 22, 2015 12:29 PM (FsuaD)
oooh good did they show his arrest in the middle of the night?
that's what responsible leadership does these days arrest someone else for their own fk up.
And I'm out of popcorn.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 22, 2015 12:29 PM (FsuaD)
oooh good did they show his arrest in the middle of the night?
that's what responsible leadership does these days arrest someone else for their own fk up.
Posted by: willow at October 22, 2015 12:31 PM (CNua6)
112
88 Hillary! saying it was "deeply distressing" when they learned about the Benghazi deaths.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 22, 2015 12:27 PM (FsuaD)
Distressed Hillary!
http://tinyurl.com/q6v6tta
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 22, 2015 12:27 PM (FsuaD)
Distressed Hillary!
http://tinyurl.com/q6v6tta
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 22, 2015 12:32 PM (fWAjv)
113
Trump polls better w/AA than Carson.
Posted by: JustSaying at October 22, 2015 12:32 PM (2qO9A)
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Carson seems like a great guy. But he's so cerebral.
It is hard to imagine voters getting fired up about him.
It is hard to imagine voters getting fired up about him.
Posted by: @votermom at October 22, 2015 12:32 PM (cbfNE)
115
The caucus system carries some huge advantages if Reps would just exploit them. You can't vote absentee. You have to be physically present to stand for a candidate. That eliminates voter fraud.
Go ahead and switch it to a "primary" state. Mickey Mouse's vote should count, too.
Go ahead and switch it to a "primary" state. Mickey Mouse's vote should count, too.
Posted by: creeper at October 22, 2015 12:32 PM (Hh8cI)
116
>>>And stop picking on Trump.
stop being a fucking faggit. We're allowed to talk about Lord God King Trump in a less than reverential manner.
stop being a fucking faggit. We're allowed to talk about Lord God King Trump in a less than reverential manner.
Posted by: ace at October 22, 2015 12:32 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 22, 2015 12:32 PM (4BGeF)
Posted by: Urban Precinct Captains Amusement Squad at October 22, 2015 12:33 PM (DL2i+)
119
OMG. The bitch is defending the damned video comments.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 22, 2015 12:33 PM (FsuaD)
120
Carson is the nice well mannered man with a good job that your parents think you should marry.
But Trump is the bad boy you NEED.....
Carson is the nice well mannered man with a good job that your parents think you should marry.
But Trump is the bad boy you NEED.....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 22, 2015 12:33 PM (kdS6q)
121
Deeply distressing 'cause I saw my Presidential aspirations going up in flames too. **hic**
Posted by: Hillary! at October 22, 2015 12:33 PM (lqmAz)
122
This is the first time Trump v Carson has been anything but a nice-fest. It's remarkable, as DT usually savages all about him. Those two would make a hell of a team, no matter which headed a ticket. In office, one could be the Face of America and the other could actually manage legislation initiatives and ride herd on the civil service. And given the Good Cop/Bad Cop angle, it could work, either way.
If the two of them can just keep up the love fest, they'll coast into office. And flip a coin, or something. But, it's a campaign, they have advisers, and we all love a good fight. So that's not likely. There will be a lot of provocation.
If the two of them can just keep up the love fest, they'll coast into office. And flip a coin, or something. But, it's a campaign, they have advisers, and we all love a good fight. So that's not likely. There will be a lot of provocation.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 22, 2015 12:34 PM (xq1UY)
123
I didn't even say anything "bad" about Trump, but out come the fanbois to say I'm not even allowed to say the little bit negative thing I said (which is obviously true, by the way).
They just won't permit you to say anything but their own talking points.
They just won't permit you to say anything but their own talking points.
Posted by: ace at October 22, 2015 12:34 PM (dciA+)
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"Blood coming out of (her/his) whatever..."
"Too much Monsanto in the corn"
Ewok: "Oh my fur and whiskers! Where are my smelling salts! What a beast!" *places back of hand against forehead and sighs loudly*
Given the seriousness of what's at stake, this stuff doesn't even register with me. If our best candidate is a bit brash, and conservatives are like these Iowans (too humorless to take a little ribbing), we'll lose no matter what. If conservatives really are offended by remarks like these, they need to remove the stick from you-know-where.
"Too much Monsanto in the corn"
Ewok: "Oh my fur and whiskers! Where are my smelling salts! What a beast!" *places back of hand against forehead and sighs loudly*
Given the seriousness of what's at stake, this stuff doesn't even register with me. If our best candidate is a bit brash, and conservatives are like these Iowans (too humorless to take a little ribbing), we'll lose no matter what. If conservatives really are offended by remarks like these, they need to remove the stick from you-know-where.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at October 22, 2015 12:34 PM (E5UB0)
125
119,
I'm waiting for the 2015 version of "what difference does it make?"
She is going to do something to grandstand at some point. It is a question of what.
I'm waiting for the 2015 version of "what difference does it make?"
She is going to do something to grandstand at some point. It is a question of what.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 22, 2015 12:34 PM (4BGeF)
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Lester, i was worried because his Life focus has been on something else very impirtant that He wouldn't recognise who around him has been playing for a long time.
but again i ask if we Know politicians are fkn lying liars that lie.
how do we get someone good, strong, informed in?
but again i ask if we Know politicians are fkn lying liars that lie.
how do we get someone good, strong, informed in?
Posted by: willow at October 22, 2015 12:35 PM (CNua6)
127
Carson seems like a great guy. But he's so cerebral.
It is hard to imagine voters getting fired up about him.
.......................
Cerebral? What is that?
Carson seems like a great guy. But he's so cerebral.
It is hard to imagine voters getting fired up about him.
.......................
Cerebral? What is that?
Posted by: 52% at October 22, 2015 12:35 PM (wAQA5)
128
Carson is solid but he needs to get down with the peoples and start giving it to them with a strong pimp hand. Da bitches and ho's start getting all mouthy wit it just haul off and smack dat ass and the rest will show respect.
Jeb!, Marco, that Indian dude, Trump just haul off and smack dat ass and they will get in line.
And give you their money.
Jeb!, Marco, that Indian dude, Trump just haul off and smack dat ass and they will get in line.
And give you their money.
Posted by: Zombie Ike Turner at October 22, 2015 12:35 PM (D0NZx)
129
Oh please. Carson doesn't stand a chance.
Right now he's out on a book tour making money for himself. He's literally stopped his campaign to sign books. That's what this has always been about for Carson. Fame and money. It's been a vanity run just like Herman Cain.
Trump is pulling a minimum of 5,000 to 10,000; up to 15,0000 and 30,000 people a rally. Carson has what? 250, 500 or 1,000. Real live people showing up in person. Standing for four hours for a rally to begin. That's where the rubber meets the road.
Carson is a safe spot for some people to park their vote. He's also being used as a pump and dump by the establishment. He's someone that the establishment could just knock down with a puff of air. We'll huff and we'll puff and we'll blow your house down.
Trump can not only withstand the establishment, he's actually harming them.
Carson agrees with Al Sharpton, wanted gun control, and won't stop amnesty. He gets his money from the establishment also.
Carson is not what people think he is. He's closer to a Colin Bowell than a Reagan.
Right now he's out on a book tour making money for himself. He's literally stopped his campaign to sign books. That's what this has always been about for Carson. Fame and money. It's been a vanity run just like Herman Cain.
Trump is pulling a minimum of 5,000 to 10,000; up to 15,0000 and 30,000 people a rally. Carson has what? 250, 500 or 1,000. Real live people showing up in person. Standing for four hours for a rally to begin. That's where the rubber meets the road.
Carson is a safe spot for some people to park their vote. He's also being used as a pump and dump by the establishment. He's someone that the establishment could just knock down with a puff of air. We'll huff and we'll puff and we'll blow your house down.
Trump can not only withstand the establishment, he's actually harming them.
Carson agrees with Al Sharpton, wanted gun control, and won't stop amnesty. He gets his money from the establishment also.
Carson is not what people think he is. He's closer to a Colin Bowell than a Reagan.
Posted by: Freedom Caucus at October 22, 2015 12:35 PM (Drp7E)
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She is going to do something to grandstand at some point. It is a question of what.
I took the under on Stroke-Out.
I took the under on Stroke-Out.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 22, 2015 12:35 PM (evdj2)
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Because insulting Iowans when you're looking for their votes works out so, so well.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at October 22, 2015 12:35 PM (9krrF)
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you don't have to accept that Iowans are important to accept that Iowans think Iowans are important, and that it might be impolitic to insult them
Posted by: ace
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Exactly, how many votes does Trump win calling Iowa a bunch of retards? It's the sort of stupid hair trigger response that makes people terrified to nominate him. A bad round of polling could mean we write off all the swing states because Trump gets near the Twitter.
For the record, I agree that Iowa is a pretty stupid all around state that should have its "first" status stripped a long time ago.
Posted by: ace
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Exactly, how many votes does Trump win calling Iowa a bunch of retards? It's the sort of stupid hair trigger response that makes people terrified to nominate him. A bad round of polling could mean we write off all the swing states because Trump gets near the Twitter.
For the record, I agree that Iowa is a pretty stupid all around state that should have its "first" status stripped a long time ago.
Posted by: Coolio at October 22, 2015 12:36 PM (fefoA)
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Just re-read the Trump tweet. Gah! I think his lunacy may yet get to him.
Monsanto in the corn is a GMO reference.
He's telling Iowans that their corn is making them stupid.
That has to make them turn on him, right? Right?
Monsanto in the corn is a GMO reference.
He's telling Iowans that their corn is making them stupid.
That has to make them turn on him, right? Right?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 22, 2015 12:36 PM (JtwS4)
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Hillary's lies have lies. I just...this is unbelievable. She's lying about the video again.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 22, 2015 12:36 PM (FsuaD)
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>>And isn't surgery even less related to
governing, than, say, running a business, like Trump.
Surgeons have to make life-affecting decisions, and in general, work get the details exactly right. My experience in interacting w/loved ones' surgeons is that they have an incredible ability to economize their time, whether it's in the OR or when explaining a very detailed operation so that a patient can understand it. I imagine the old "5 dimensional chess" claim would apply to them.
No idea how that skill-set maps to governing.
governing, than, say, running a business, like Trump.
Surgeons have to make life-affecting decisions, and in general, work get the details exactly right. My experience in interacting w/loved ones' surgeons is that they have an incredible ability to economize their time, whether it's in the OR or when explaining a very detailed operation so that a patient can understand it. I imagine the old "5 dimensional chess" claim would apply to them.
No idea how that skill-set maps to governing.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 22, 2015 12:36 PM (NOIQH)
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Oops sock off.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at October 22, 2015 12:36 PM (Drp7E)
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What is the quickest and most practical path for Jeb to become a double digit player?
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Perhaps something like:
Release his private correspondence with the Chamber of Commerce on immigration (thereby burning bridges with them) and announce that he will follow Ike's policies on dealing with illegal immigration.
But...I still wouldn't believe him.
I really don't see how any of the establishment figures take the nomination this year. It appears a majority of the Republican voters are pissed off at them.
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Perhaps something like:
Release his private correspondence with the Chamber of Commerce on immigration (thereby burning bridges with them) and announce that he will follow Ike's policies on dealing with illegal immigration.
But...I still wouldn't believe him.
I really don't see how any of the establishment figures take the nomination this year. It appears a majority of the Republican voters are pissed off at them.
Posted by: 18-1 at October 22, 2015 12:36 PM (X7E8f)
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So which state would you rather have go first?
In today's America? I'd have to say Texas, even ahead of Florida.
Of course, I still want a set of regional electoral "quarter finals" if you will. Have two elections in each of the quadrants of the country consisting of one populous state and one sparsely populated. After the eight state primaries, then the weak candidates could be dropped and the real work for the nomination would start.
In today's America? I'd have to say Texas, even ahead of Florida.
Of course, I still want a set of regional electoral "quarter finals" if you will. Have two elections in each of the quadrants of the country consisting of one populous state and one sparsely populated. After the eight state primaries, then the weak candidates could be dropped and the real work for the nomination would start.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 22, 2015 12:36 PM (LUgeY)
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Bruce,
shut the fuck up. We're allowed to be less than thrilled with Trump without your gooning it up.
shut the fuck up. We're allowed to be less than thrilled with Trump without your gooning it up.
Posted by: ace at October 22, 2015 12:36 PM (dciA+)
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as many have expressed, I "like" ben carson a lot, and I can see some political upside, but he never impresses me with his statements. they either meander, or he says something so extreme it makes you think he just encountered the issue for the first time. (When people first come to an issue, they tend to be very extreme, as they veer from one way of thinking to another based on what they just read; as people read more, they have more of an experience and knowledge base that cushions the impact of new arguments or new information.)
Posted by: ace
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He has changed his mind on nearly every issue at least once.. he spent half an interview on Sunday telling why he no longer is in favor of universal health care... and every sentence he utters starts or ends with "you know"..
I like him.. he's a nice guy.. but for cripes sakes.. Hillary will eviscerate him!
Posted by: ace
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He has changed his mind on nearly every issue at least once.. he spent half an interview on Sunday telling why he no longer is in favor of universal health care... and every sentence he utters starts or ends with "you know"..
I like him.. he's a nice guy.. but for cripes sakes.. Hillary will eviscerate him!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 22, 2015 12:37 PM (so+oy)
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Hillary! looking like her Depends just crawled up her butt.
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How much longer do we have to sit here?
Hillary! looking like her Depends just crawled up her butt.
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How much longer do we have to sit here?
Posted by: Hillarrhoids at October 22, 2015 12:38 PM (wAQA5)
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Carson is pretty easy to make good slogans for.
Carson'16: When you need the very best
Carson'16: He really is the smartest man in the room
Carson'16: When you need the very best
Carson'16: He really is the smartest man in the room
Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 22, 2015 12:38 PM (evdj2)
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Carson'16: The Tits are Calm.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 22, 2015 12:38 PM (evdj2)
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I hate posting about the primaries, and usually don't, because the moment I do, the Ron Paul!!! R3voLution Fanbois come out as self appointed Ideological Enforcement Officers and start barking orders at people as to what is and is not permissible speech.
Posted by: ace at October 22, 2015 12:38 PM (dciA+)
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Cerebral? What is that?
Posted by: 52% at October 22, 2015 12:35 PM (wAQA5)
That thing-a-majig in X-Men.
Ya dummy.
Posted by: 52% at October 22, 2015 12:35 PM (wAQA5)
That thing-a-majig in X-Men.
Ya dummy.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 22, 2015 12:38 PM (fWAjv)
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Seriously, does the name "Bruce Braley" ring any bells at Trump HQ?
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at October 22, 2015 12:38 PM (9krrF)
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137,
Beyond pissed. Getting burned on McCain, Romney, Boehner, and McConnell has people to the point where they trust nothing the GOP leadership says. They aren't going to pretend that is yellow rain on their leg this time around.
Beyond pissed. Getting burned on McCain, Romney, Boehner, and McConnell has people to the point where they trust nothing the GOP leadership says. They aren't going to pretend that is yellow rain on their leg this time around.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 22, 2015 12:39 PM (4BGeF)
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Trumps retweets a lot of dumb stuff from his fans. I think it's his way of giving shout outs, and partly why he has so many twitter followers.
I don't think his RTs mean he agrees.
I don't think his RTs mean he agrees.
Posted by: @votermom at October 22, 2015 12:39 PM (cbfNE)
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>>>>She is going to do something to grandstand at some point. It is a question of what.
I took the under on Stroke-Out.
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.I already lost my bet. I was betting she would have pounded on the desk at least twice by now. How dare you question my patriotism, blah, etc.
I took the under on Stroke-Out.
.
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.I already lost my bet. I was betting she would have pounded on the desk at least twice by now. How dare you question my patriotism, blah, etc.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at October 22, 2015 12:39 PM (iONHu)
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Monsanto--if you follow the anti-GMO, chemtrials, etc. type crowd--is the most evil of evil corporations; involved in everything from injecting alien DNA into human babies for mind control to sacrificing kindergartners to Ba'al to using robots to rape farmer's wives and steal their mattress money.
If there is an evil, this crowd believes Monsanto is behind it.
That's what's most disturbing about the Trump tweet--the shout-out to that crowd.
If there is an evil, this crowd believes Monsanto is behind it.
That's what's most disturbing about the Trump tweet--the shout-out to that crowd.
Posted by: RoyalOil at October 22, 2015 12:39 PM (ZvKdv)
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Hasn't Carson pretty much put all of his effort into Iowa?
Posted by: WOPR at October 22, 2015 12:39 PM (LTDSy)
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He's playing on the fears of anti GMO of every stripe.
Posted by: Auntie Doodles at October 22, 2015 12:39 PM (YQDtG)
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Carson'16: The Man your mother wishes you had married, even if you're a guy
Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 22, 2015 12:39 PM (evdj2)
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>>>Carson'16: He really is the smartest man in the room
Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 22, 2015 12:38 PM (evdj2)<<<
Carson '16: Just what the doctor ordered!
Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 22, 2015 12:38 PM (evdj2)<<<
Carson '16: Just what the doctor ordered!
Posted by: Carson '16 campaign commercial at October 22, 2015 12:39 PM (lqmAz)
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Even if Hillary! strokes out and starts to drool.
Ladies and germs, I give you Joey Bidet.
They will still push her, even in a peramalot.
Ladies and germs, I give you Joey Bidet.
They will still push her, even in a peramalot.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2015 12:40 PM (VOZeJ)
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Considering the pool of candidates, I don't mind Carson's apparent inexperience in debates/political positioning. He strikes me as a decent guy who loves America, and that's half the battle. People often say we'd be better off with a name out of the phonebook as President, not because we expect a policy wonk to emerge, but because people who have lived normal, productive lives can better understand the real needs/problems/solutions of Americans. Well, imagine your luck if you happened to pick a brain surgeon when you flipped the phonebook open.
Posted by: Lincolntf at October 22, 2015 12:40 PM (2cS/G)
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This will make not one damned difference to half, or more people in this country:
http://tinyurl.com/o3c2rlg
Stringed quartet to celebrate the Iran deal as Obama vetoes the defense bill.
http://tinyurl.com/o3c2rlg
Stringed quartet to celebrate the Iran deal as Obama vetoes the defense bill.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at October 22, 2015 12:40 PM (BZAd3)
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I'd prefer governing be more like triage - there in an emergency, less like running a business, because it is nothing like running a business.
Posted by: SH
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Triage. EXACTLY. And the most critical issue that requires triage at this moment is immigration. Annihilating the alphabet soup of various agencies can wait a bit, nice as it would be to do that.
Posted by: SH
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Triage. EXACTLY. And the most critical issue that requires triage at this moment is immigration. Annihilating the alphabet soup of various agencies can wait a bit, nice as it would be to do that.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at October 22, 2015 12:40 PM (E5UB0)
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So which state would you rather have go first?
Posted by: creeper
Pennsylvania! *jumps up and down* Pennsylvania!
Posted by: You Know Who
So which state would you rather have go first?
Posted by: creeper
Pennsylvania! *jumps up and down* Pennsylvania!
Posted by: You Know Who
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 22, 2015 12:40 PM (kdS6q)
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My fist would be through the drywall if I was actually listening to Cankles.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 22, 2015 12:40 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: buzzion at October 22, 2015 12:41 PM (zt+N6)
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This guy just can't stop talking about ratings -- polls. This is a major problem for him. His very serious sensitivity to every bad "ratings number" makes him overreact to them.
I think you mean a 'classy' problem for him. Or perhaps a 'yooge' problem.
Oh, even better;
A LUXURIOUS PROBLEM.
I think you mean a 'classy' problem for him. Or perhaps a 'yooge' problem.
Oh, even better;
A LUXURIOUS PROBLEM.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 22, 2015 12:41 PM (JmGFJ)
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Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 22, 2015 12:36 PM (JtwS4)
It sure as hell won't do him any good here.
It sure as hell won't do him any good here.
Posted by: creeper at October 22, 2015 12:41 PM (Hh8cI)
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Seriously, does the name "Bruce Braley" ring any bells at Trump HQ?
Posted by: Brother Cavil
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I'm pretty sure she goes by Caitlyn Braley now.
Posted by: Brother Cavil
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I'm pretty sure she goes by Caitlyn Braley now.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at October 22, 2015 12:41 PM (E5UB0)
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Inre who goes first, why does it HAVE to be Iowa? Isn't it because their legislature says they have to be first and no one ever questions it?
I say the state that had the biggest % turnout for the party's candidate in the previous election should go first. After all, that's the place where the state GOP is effective in driving turnout.
And as for Trump needing to flatter Iowans, fuck that. It's clear by now that the usual political rules don't apply to Trump. He insults Iowa and I say "good." In the long view, it's not like Iowa is some big GOP state integral to the fortunes of the party. Hell, they go D more often than not.
I say the state that had the biggest % turnout for the party's candidate in the previous election should go first. After all, that's the place where the state GOP is effective in driving turnout.
And as for Trump needing to flatter Iowans, fuck that. It's clear by now that the usual political rules don't apply to Trump. He insults Iowa and I say "good." In the long view, it's not like Iowa is some big GOP state integral to the fortunes of the party. Hell, they go D more often than not.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at October 22, 2015 12:41 PM (eytER)
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The primaries should be re-jiggered to have the states that voted in the highest percentages for the GOP candidate to go first.
Iowa has gone to the Dems every election since 1988 with the exception of 2004.
They should be nowhere near the 1st primary.
And Trump is going to be the nominee.
That is if the GOP don't pull any shenanigans.
Which I can easily see them doing.
Iowa has gone to the Dems every election since 1988 with the exception of 2004.
They should be nowhere near the 1st primary.
And Trump is going to be the nominee.
That is if the GOP don't pull any shenanigans.
Which I can easily see them doing.
Posted by: Kreplach at October 22, 2015 12:41 PM (2yquu)
Posted by: @votermom at October 22, 2015 12:42 PM (cbfNE)
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oh so Trump isulted iowans ?
lol, did they actually care?
i laugh at it all , this is amazing fun. at least it's not casich saying we need to stand by dems and be a unified country for all the citizens of the worlds.
come one when have we laughed at polticians as much as this?
lol, did they actually care?
i laugh at it all , this is amazing fun. at least it's not casich saying we need to stand by dems and be a unified country for all the citizens of the worlds.
come one when have we laughed at polticians as much as this?
Posted by: willow at October 22, 2015 12:42 PM (CNua6)
Posted by: Insomniac at October 22, 2015 12:42 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 22, 2015 12:42 PM (fWAjv)
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Yeah, monsanto patented a genetically modified corn seed that's resistant to roundup. So it was a big savings for the farmers to just hit the field with roundup and let all the weeds die, but not the corn.
Libtards think that means we're ingesting the roundup.
SCOTUS actually upheld the patent some years ago, which basically allows somebody to patent life, which is kind of messed up. Monsanto was suing the crap out of any farmers with any plants from the seed on its property - even if it blew on to the property from a seed truck on the highway, which was also pretty messed up.
Libtards think that means we're ingesting the roundup.
SCOTUS actually upheld the patent some years ago, which basically allows somebody to patent life, which is kind of messed up. Monsanto was suing the crap out of any farmers with any plants from the seed on its property - even if it blew on to the property from a seed truck on the highway, which was also pretty messed up.
Posted by: lymond at October 22, 2015 12:43 PM (58jQj)
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150 Monsanto--if you follow the anti-GMO, chemtrials, etc. type crowd--is the most evil of evil corporations; involved in everything from injecting alien DNA into human babies for mind control to sacrificing kindergartners to Ba'al to using robots to rape farmer's wives and steal their mattress money.
If there is an evil, this crowd believes Monsanto is behind it.
That's what's most disturbing about the Trump tweet--the shout-out to that crowd.
Posted by: RoyalOil at October 22, 2015 12:39 PM (ZvKdv)
Wait -- Monsanto has rape robots? Why weren't we informed of this?
If there is an evil, this crowd believes Monsanto is behind it.
That's what's most disturbing about the Trump tweet--the shout-out to that crowd.
Posted by: RoyalOil at October 22, 2015 12:39 PM (ZvKdv)
Wait -- Monsanto has rape robots? Why weren't we informed of this?
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at October 22, 2015 12:43 PM (RD7QR)
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My fear with Trump is female voters. He would absolutely have to put a female on the ticket.
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That is the only critique of Trump I've heard that has some merit. I would point out that most married women will vote for Pub, while the single skanks will vote for Hillary, no matter who the Pubby nominee is.
Trump is interesting because he can motivate blacks to vote for him. He is the ultimate Mac Daddy and he offers them a way to vote race while voting for Trump. If he plays this right he could sweep 30% or more of the black vote and totally kill the Dem party up and down the ticket.
There is also the October surprise Trump could spring on the black vote with the Dem's distortion of the 14th Amendment for the benefit of Mexicans and Asians at American Blacks expense. Blacks like to vote race - so give them a reason to while voting for Trump. (Stuff GOPe would never think of doing).
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That is the only critique of Trump I've heard that has some merit. I would point out that most married women will vote for Pub, while the single skanks will vote for Hillary, no matter who the Pubby nominee is.
Trump is interesting because he can motivate blacks to vote for him. He is the ultimate Mac Daddy and he offers them a way to vote race while voting for Trump. If he plays this right he could sweep 30% or more of the black vote and totally kill the Dem party up and down the ticket.
There is also the October surprise Trump could spring on the black vote with the Dem's distortion of the 14th Amendment for the benefit of Mexicans and Asians at American Blacks expense. Blacks like to vote race - so give them a reason to while voting for Trump. (Stuff GOPe would never think of doing).
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 22, 2015 12:43 PM (oDCMR)
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159,
They should rotate every cycle but, out of the current four early primaries, I would say SC. That best represents the current GOP's base and ideology out of them, NH, IA, and NV.
They should rotate every cycle but, out of the current four early primaries, I would say SC. That best represents the current GOP's base and ideology out of them, NH, IA, and NV.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 22, 2015 12:43 PM (4BGeF)
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Trump's constituency is starting to show something of a pattern. It's not exactly a terribly fact-based pattern. I'm reminded of the vaccine question from the first debate here...
There's a lot of people who believe this stuff.
Still waiting for the UFO believers to get their moment in the sun.
Bigfoot for Trump? Hells, that might not even be the strangest thing to happen this cycle.
There's a lot of people who believe this stuff.
Still waiting for the UFO believers to get their moment in the sun.
Bigfoot for Trump? Hells, that might not even be the strangest thing to happen this cycle.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at October 22, 2015 12:43 PM (9krrF)
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omg.....she's insane.....she lied to the American people and plugs her book for an explanation......
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at October 22, 2015 12:43 PM (0O7c5)
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Carson '16: He's been on my kid's mind.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at October 22, 2015 12:43 PM (eytER)
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you just know if we elect Trump president he's going to open up all the UFO files for us
Posted by: ace at October 22, 2015 12:44 PM (dciA+)
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Oklahoma. Obama didn't carry a single Oklahoma county in either 2008 or 2012.
Reagan carried Oklahoma when Democrats held about a 3-1 advantage in party registration.
Reagan carried Oklahoma when Democrats held about a 3-1 advantage in party registration.
Posted by: Furious George at October 22, 2015 12:45 PM (UlJ3l)
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Carson'16: The Man your mother wishes you had married, even if you're a guy
I like him, but not that way.
I'd still like be adopted by Donald Trump's Hair. I want to see what it's like to have a designated pilot.
I like him, but not that way.
I'd still like be adopted by Donald Trump's Hair. I want to see what it's like to have a designated pilot.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 22, 2015 12:45 PM (LUgeY)
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i mean if they are going to give us bread and circuses we might as well enjoy the show.
Posted by: willow at October 22, 2015 12:45 PM (CNua6)
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I ask this question of the diehard Trump supporters seriously. I say this as an individual free of obligation to any candidate; I do not put my trust in human leaders, because I know, without question, that they are all flawed human beings, and must be monitored as much as any one of us would need to be, were we put in positions of power. Human nature is corrupt; saying otherwise moves the conversation must a basis in reality into flights of fancy.
Trump is a useful tool against the Republican establishment. He may make a good, or even excellent, President. I do not like the man, but I acknowledge what he brings to the table.
With that said:
Why do you, the diehard Trump supporters, the true believers, have issues admitting that Trump has been lying about his real beliefs all these years of his life? He said so himself, that he's paid lip service to causes he did not believe in to get where he needed to be, so that he would be free of anyone's influence.
That he's done a heel-face turn on many topics anathema to the conservative voter is undeniable. That's he's still opposed to erstwhile conservative dogma on many other topics is also undeniable. That he is an extremely useful candidate for exposing the corruption of the Republican Party is obvious and welcome.
That he has no idea what he is doing with regards to foreign policy, and indeed many domestic policies, is also obvious. That he has said he would be the Delegating President (which all Presidents ought to be, IMO) is also noted and confirmed.
You must take the bad with the good, objectively, with any human being you meet; you must acknowledge, fairly, their strengths and weaknesses, their virtues and their vices. Outrage at another person's acknowledgement of your friend's/family's/candidate's personal failings with regards to a matter of great gravity (a marriage, a business proposition, or the Presidency of the most powerful nation on Earth that is rapidly reaching the end of its strength) will lead to ruin for yourself and the object of your passionate defense.
Let us not be like the Democrats, worshiping their candidates, jumping to their defense as though their vices are an indictment of our own persons. We are free-thinking human beings, not propagandists.
Trump is a useful tool against the Republican establishment. He may make a good, or even excellent, President. I do not like the man, but I acknowledge what he brings to the table.
With that said:
Why do you, the diehard Trump supporters, the true believers, have issues admitting that Trump has been lying about his real beliefs all these years of his life? He said so himself, that he's paid lip service to causes he did not believe in to get where he needed to be, so that he would be free of anyone's influence.
That he's done a heel-face turn on many topics anathema to the conservative voter is undeniable. That's he's still opposed to erstwhile conservative dogma on many other topics is also undeniable. That he is an extremely useful candidate for exposing the corruption of the Republican Party is obvious and welcome.
That he has no idea what he is doing with regards to foreign policy, and indeed many domestic policies, is also obvious. That he has said he would be the Delegating President (which all Presidents ought to be, IMO) is also noted and confirmed.
You must take the bad with the good, objectively, with any human being you meet; you must acknowledge, fairly, their strengths and weaknesses, their virtues and their vices. Outrage at another person's acknowledgement of your friend's/family's/candidate's personal failings with regards to a matter of great gravity (a marriage, a business proposition, or the Presidency of the most powerful nation on Earth that is rapidly reaching the end of its strength) will lead to ruin for yourself and the object of your passionate defense.
Let us not be like the Democrats, worshiping their candidates, jumping to their defense as though their vices are an indictment of our own persons. We are free-thinking human beings, not propagandists.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at October 22, 2015 12:45 PM (6JL3d)
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I love how the leftards whine that conservatives dont understand/are against science. LOL
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at October 22, 2015 12:46 PM (iQIUe)
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176 omg.....she's insane.....she lied to the American people and plugs her book for an explanation......
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at October 22, 2015 12:43 PM (0O7c5)
All the while smirking.
I hate the bitch. So. Damn. Much.
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at October 22, 2015 12:43 PM (0O7c5)
All the while smirking.
I hate the bitch. So. Damn. Much.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 22, 2015 12:46 PM (fWAjv)
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Carson'16: The Tits are Calm.
Posted by: Grump928(c)
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Hillary! 2016: The Tits are...somewhere.
Carson'16: The Tits are Calm.
Posted by: Grump928(c)
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Hillary! 2016: The Tits are...somewhere.
Posted by: wth at October 22, 2015 12:46 PM (wAQA5)
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178 you just know if we elect Trump president he's going to open up all the UFO files for us
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Yay!!!
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Yay!!!
Posted by: @votermom at October 22, 2015 12:46 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 22, 2015 12:46 PM (4BGeF)
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Trey ought to have a hearing every day to grill Hillary! Give her the Watergate treatment. Karma and all that.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2015 12:46 PM (VOZeJ)
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He has changed his mind on nearly every issue at least once.. he spent half an interview on Sunday telling why he no longer is in favor of universal health care... and every sentence he utters starts or ends with "you know"..
I like him.. he's a nice guy.. but for cripes sakes.. Hillary will eviscerate him!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 22, 2015 12:37 PM (so+oy)
I was under the apparently mistaken impression that what got him in the public view to begin with was negative remarks about Obamacare -- in front of Obama -- at a Prayer breakfast.
Not sure how that qualifies as changing your mind.
Remarks he's made between then and now to my way of thinking fall into the "replace" category of "repeal and replace".
I like him.. he's a nice guy.. but for cripes sakes.. Hillary will eviscerate him!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 22, 2015 12:37 PM (so+oy)
I was under the apparently mistaken impression that what got him in the public view to begin with was negative remarks about Obamacare -- in front of Obama -- at a Prayer breakfast.
Not sure how that qualifies as changing your mind.
Remarks he's made between then and now to my way of thinking fall into the "replace" category of "repeal and replace".
Posted by: jwb7605 at October 22, 2015 12:46 PM (DofIg)
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if we elect Trump president he's going to open up all the UFO files for us
Posted by: ace at October 22, 2015 12:44 PM (dciA+)
haha
Posted by: ace at October 22, 2015 12:44 PM (dciA+)
haha
Posted by: willow at October 22, 2015 12:47 PM (CNua6)
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What on Earth has Ben Carson done to get a quarter of the primary voters in Iowa to support him??? He's an even less serious candidate than Trump, if that's possible. Trump at least has offered some idea of what he wants to do if elected and why he wants to be president, Carson is just doing this to sell books maybe? He has the worst political skills of anybody in the race on either side, and that includes Lincoln Chafee. I honestly have no idea what the point of Ben Carson is or how that many people can possibly be supporting him when he's never provided a rationale for his candidacy.
Posted by: cjw at October 22, 2015 12:47 PM (UJ59J)
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Ha!!!
Cspan CC just typed Secretary Criminal. Fixed that pretty damn quick.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 22, 2015 12:42 PM (fWAjv)
LOL
Ha!!!
Cspan CC just typed Secretary Criminal. Fixed that pretty damn quick.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 22, 2015 12:42 PM (fWAjv)
LOL
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 22, 2015 12:47 PM (FsuaD)
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116 >>>And stop picking on Trump.
stop being a fucking faggit. We're allowed to talk about Lord God King Trump in a less than reverential manner.
Posted by: ace at October 22, 2015 12:32 PM (dciA+
Dammit ace, you owe me some monitor wipes.
stop being a fucking faggit. We're allowed to talk about Lord God King Trump in a less than reverential manner.
Posted by: ace at October 22, 2015 12:32 PM (dciA+
Dammit ace, you owe me some monitor wipes.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 22, 2015 12:47 PM (OLNwX)
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>>>while the single skanks will vote for Hillary, no matter who the Pubby nominee is.
That's why the left loves the battle of the sexes. It produces lots of "strong, independent" single women who need government to be their sugar daddy.
They make all men in America pay alimony for a marriage that never happened.
That's why the left loves the battle of the sexes. It produces lots of "strong, independent" single women who need government to be their sugar daddy.
They make all men in America pay alimony for a marriage that never happened.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at October 22, 2015 12:47 PM (E5UB0)
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*reads his own post and sighs*
Proofreading is important, kids, always read your posts again before posting to check for continuity breaks and misplaced words.
Proofreading is important, kids, always read your posts again before posting to check for continuity breaks and misplaced words.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at October 22, 2015 12:47 PM (6JL3d)
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Posted by: cjw at October 22, 2015 12:47 PM (UJ59J)
Have you heard Carson speak or be interviewed?
He's impressive.
Have you heard Carson speak or be interviewed?
He's impressive.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 22, 2015 12:48 PM (Zu3d9)
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Monsanto is the big boogeyman of the anti-gmo crowd, not exactly a hotbed of republican voters, looks like trump is trying to bring in some party crossers who want to spoil the repubs primary.
Posted by: All Teh Meh at October 22, 2015 12:48 PM (VasJF)
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Posted by: Kinley Ardal at October 22, 2015 12:45 PM (6JL3d)
I'm having a hard time getting past the fact that Donald Trump is a creature of the very system he decries.
I'm having a hard time getting past the fact that Donald Trump is a creature of the very system he decries.
Posted by: creeper at October 22, 2015 12:48 PM (Hh8cI)
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What kills me about the congressional hearings is that one side gets to act as surrogates for the person being examined. It isn't Hillary testifying, it's all of the Democrat members AND Hillary.
Republicans should put under oath and examine the Dems on the committee.
Republicans should put under oath and examine the Dems on the committee.
Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at October 22, 2015 12:48 PM (BZAd3)
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Oh my, Macca Bean, I certainly hope that "string ensemble" was not from the military music program, as such events often are. Because military music was the country's first and largest arts-support, if you want to call it that, and has been decimated and re-decimated under the Necessary Cuts. As the only non NPR/NEH arts money in circulation, and actually involving working artists doing something that the public could see, they will be missed.
And they'd damn well better not be playing for the Dems victory/defeat parties.
And they'd damn well better not be playing for the Dems victory/defeat parties.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 22, 2015 12:48 PM (xq1UY)
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Will Secretary Criminal open for Governor Evidence?
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2015 12:48 PM (VOZeJ)
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i wanna know if Trump knows if the rumors of a Godfather 5 are true
Posted by: willow at October 22, 2015 12:49 PM (CNua6)
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>>>Dammit ace, you owe me some monitor wipes.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 22, 2015 12:47 PM (OLNwX)<<<
Trumpswabs... when you need to clean up a mess, use the very best. They're yuuuuge!
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 22, 2015 12:47 PM (OLNwX)<<<
Trumpswabs... when you need to clean up a mess, use the very best. They're yuuuuge!
Posted by: Trumpswabs Brand Swabs, for all your swabbing needs at October 22, 2015 12:49 PM (lqmAz)
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172 150 Monsanto--if you follow the anti-GMO, chemtrials, etc. type crowd--is the most evil of evil corporations; involved in everything from injecting alien DNA into human babies for mind control to sacrificing kindergartners to Ba'al to using robots to rape farmer's wives and steal their mattress money----
Well according to Neil Young and Willie Nelson's kids, yeah.
Well according to Neil Young and Willie Nelson's kids, yeah.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 22, 2015 12:49 PM (OLNwX)
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132: "Exactly, how many votes does Trump win calling Iowa a bunch of retards?"
While tactically true, I would posit that Iowa has more in common with the Democrats than the (purported) Republicans. I am at a loss for what Republican plank or ideal the ethanol subsidies are supported by.
When your campaign is about cutting the pork and making government less burdensome (in part or main), it isn't worthwhile courting a group whose livelihood depends on government bribery and subsidy.
Yes, Trump is an ass with chronic brainfarts. But what is the loss in pissing off a state that doesn't want what you're selling when you can pick up votes from other states that may like you giving them (Iowa) the proverbial finger?
While tactically true, I would posit that Iowa has more in common with the Democrats than the (purported) Republicans. I am at a loss for what Republican plank or ideal the ethanol subsidies are supported by.
When your campaign is about cutting the pork and making government less burdensome (in part or main), it isn't worthwhile courting a group whose livelihood depends on government bribery and subsidy.
Yes, Trump is an ass with chronic brainfarts. But what is the loss in pissing off a state that doesn't want what you're selling when you can pick up votes from other states that may like you giving them (Iowa) the proverbial finger?
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at October 22, 2015 12:50 PM (4nmNX)
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One of the arguments for Iowa going first is that as a caucus state with a small town distributed population, unknown candidates can work the state, get attention and the Big Mo.
As opposed to -- say -- Florida -- where you need gazzilions to play the media game.
One of the arguments for Iowa going first is that as a caucus state with a small town distributed population, unknown candidates can work the state, get attention and the Big Mo.
As opposed to -- say -- Florida -- where you need gazzilions to play the media game.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 22, 2015 12:50 PM (kdS6q)
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Hillary! has trained her flying monkeys well.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 22, 2015 12:50 PM (FsuaD)
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All the while smirking.
I hate the bitch. So. Damn. Much.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 22, 2015 12:46 PM (fWAjv)
did you see her resting her chin in her hand whilst leaning on her elbow placed on the desk rolling her damn eyes?......
I hate the bitch. So. Damn. Much.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 22, 2015 12:46 PM (fWAjv)
did you see her resting her chin in her hand whilst leaning on her elbow placed on the desk rolling her damn eyes?......
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at October 22, 2015 12:50 PM (0O7c5)
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I honestly have no idea what the point of Ben Carson is or how that many people can possibly be supporting him when he's never provided a rationale for his candidacy.
I think it's a trust thing. People are weary of not trusting politicians. The guy comes across as a smart basically good guy who might not have thought about most of the issues but, when he does, he'll do the right thing for the country.
In other words, people would buy a used car from him or let him work on their kids brain. What other candidate could you say that about?
I think it's a trust thing. People are weary of not trusting politicians. The guy comes across as a smart basically good guy who might not have thought about most of the issues but, when he does, he'll do the right thing for the country.
In other words, people would buy a used car from him or let him work on their kids brain. What other candidate could you say that about?
Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 22, 2015 12:51 PM (evdj2)
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178 you just know if we elect Trump president he's going to open up all the UFO files for us
Posted by: ace at October 22, 2015 12:44 PM (dciA+)
He will not, the alien organism on his head posing badly as hair would never allow it.
178 you just know if we elect Trump president he's going to open up all the UFO files for us
Posted by: ace at October 22, 2015 12:44 PM (dciA+)
He will not, the alien organism on his head posing badly as hair would never allow it.
Posted by: buzzion at October 22, 2015 12:51 PM (zt+N6)
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Carson seems like a great guy. But he's so cerebral.
It is hard to imagine voters getting fired up about him.
Posted by: @votermom
That was my first impression as well but every time i hear some thing like "No of course I won't retract my statement! A Muslim who believes in Sharia should not be President" I get more fired up than I have for a candidate in forever.
Carson seems like a great guy. But he's so cerebral.
It is hard to imagine voters getting fired up about him.
Posted by: @votermom
That was my first impression as well but every time i hear some thing like "No of course I won't retract my statement! A Muslim who believes in Sharia should not be President" I get more fired up than I have for a candidate in forever.
Posted by: pashmr at October 22, 2015 12:51 PM (3aNC4)
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Posted by: Puddin Head at October 22, 2015 12:43 PM (oDCMR)
Trump is aware. That's why he jokingly floated the "Oprah for VP" trial balloon when he first declared.
I think he knows Oprah is a no go, but I'm guessing he'll come up with some way to get the single ladies votes.
Trump is aware. That's why he jokingly floated the "Oprah for VP" trial balloon when he first declared.
I think he knows Oprah is a no go, but I'm guessing he'll come up with some way to get the single ladies votes.
Posted by: @votermom at October 22, 2015 12:51 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2015 12:51 PM (qCMvj)
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Coulter's thing on Ryan makes Nagasaki look like a leafletting run.
I didn't realize *what* a shallow dimwit he is on economics, immigration, rule of law, taxes - ya know, those marginal issues.
He actually campaigned *against* Prop 187 in CA? Wow. Arguably the last lost battle of the now-lost war (oh, and it's especially rich as an episode because it showcased a key element of our current post-American, post-constitutional situation - a single federal judge exercising his legislative veto over the actual residents of a state trying vainly to impose common sense rule of law over the pernicious treachery of their elected "representatives").
Sorry, back to America's Final Degradation (i.e. Hillary as a public figure who can show her face).
Coulter's thing on Ryan makes Nagasaki look like a leafletting run.
I didn't realize *what* a shallow dimwit he is on economics, immigration, rule of law, taxes - ya know, those marginal issues.
He actually campaigned *against* Prop 187 in CA? Wow. Arguably the last lost battle of the now-lost war (oh, and it's especially rich as an episode because it showcased a key element of our current post-American, post-constitutional situation - a single federal judge exercising his legislative veto over the actual residents of a state trying vainly to impose common sense rule of law over the pernicious treachery of their elected "representatives").
Sorry, back to America's Final Degradation (i.e. Hillary as a public figure who can show her face).
Posted by: rhomboid at October 22, 2015 12:51 PM (QDnY+)
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I like Carson, but, in a head to head match up with Hillary, I think he loses. He's too quiet, thoughtful and soft spoken. A lot of people will not vote for a Black man ever again, even though there are several thousand light years of difference between Carson and Obama.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 22, 2015 12:52 PM (kXoT0)
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LOL
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 22, 2015 12:47 PM (FsuaD)
It was at/around the 12:46 mark. I am going to see if it will do it on replay.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 22, 2015 12:47 PM (FsuaD)
It was at/around the 12:46 mark. I am going to see if it will do it on replay.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 22, 2015 12:52 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2015 12:52 PM (qCMvj)
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Grump well said. trust.
Posted by: willow at October 22, 2015 12:52 PM (CNua6)
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Hillary says she's "lost more sleep than all of you together."
She's "deeply distressed" over her BFF "Chris'" death.
Now, if she can just work up a fake tear.
She's "deeply distressed" over her BFF "Chris'" death.
Now, if she can just work up a fake tear.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 22, 2015 12:52 PM (FsuaD)
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you just know if we elect Trump president he's going to open up all the UFO files for us
Ha! It would almost be worth it just for that circus! Press Secretary George Nouri, anyone?
Ha! It would almost be worth it just for that circus! Press Secretary George Nouri, anyone?
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at October 22, 2015 12:52 PM (9krrF)
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Not watching the three ring circus, which accent is Hillary! using?
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2015 12:53 PM (VOZeJ)
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did you see her resting her chin in her hand whilst leaning on her elbow placed on the desk rolling her damn eyes?......
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at October 22, 2015 12:50 PM (0O7c5)
Yep. Flipping tabs on the computer to catch bits and pieces. No way I could sit and listen to that vile scrunt.
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at October 22, 2015 12:50 PM (0O7c5)
Yep. Flipping tabs on the computer to catch bits and pieces. No way I could sit and listen to that vile scrunt.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 22, 2015 12:53 PM (fWAjv)
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Sorry, back to America's Final Degradation (i.e. Hillary as a public figure who can show her face).
Posted by: rhomboid at October 22, 2015 12:51 PM (QDnY+)
yep, If she's right, so much I did not know about him.
Posted by: rhomboid at October 22, 2015 12:51 PM (QDnY+)
yep, If she's right, so much I did not know about him.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2015 12:53 PM (qCMvj)
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I'm having a hard time getting past the fact that Donald Trump is a creature of the very system he decries.
Posted by: creeper at October 22, 2015 12:48 PM
I do too. But then so is Ted Cruz if you look at his steps up the ladder. He started hitting snags too when he went against what was expected of him from his "mentors" and class.
Posted by: creeper at October 22, 2015 12:48 PM
I do too. But then so is Ted Cruz if you look at his steps up the ladder. He started hitting snags too when he went against what was expected of him from his "mentors" and class.
Posted by: Lester at October 22, 2015 12:53 PM (2UPXV)
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Give me an effin break...
Cankles, hand clasping over that place in her chest where a heart should be.
Cankles, hand clasping over that place in her chest where a heart should be.
Posted by: gonna be sick... at October 22, 2015 12:53 PM (lqmAz)
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She must be getting pretty Thirsty by now.
Posted by: wth at October 22, 2015 12:54 PM (wAQA5)
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Wow.. Hillary has no shame... incredible
Posted by: Toonces the Cat at October 22, 2015 12:54 PM (e7T6D)
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re Trump's tweets, the man has an ego that makes Obama's seem modest and humble in comparison.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at October 22, 2015 12:54 PM (laMCB)
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I'm having a hard time getting past the fact that Donald Trump is a creature of the very system he decries.
Posted by: creeper at October 22, 2015 12:48 PM (Hh8cI)
Entirely fair, and a problem that Trump must address eventually.
Bewailing the very existence of such doubt, as more than a few Trump supporters do, even on this very site, makes you wonder if he will ever make the attempt.
It takes more to be a leader than snark, riches, and populist generalities, or so I used to think, then 2008 happened...
Trump's good about immigration. We get that. He's gonna stick it to the donor class on behalf of the voting class, or so it seems, we'll take that too. But tell us, and make us believe, why we should trust you, Donald Trump, over the others that live as you lived, mouthing the right words when and where they were needed, but now assuring us that you did not believe those things.
I'm having a hard time getting past the fact that Donald Trump is a creature of the very system he decries.
Posted by: creeper at October 22, 2015 12:48 PM (Hh8cI)
Entirely fair, and a problem that Trump must address eventually.
Bewailing the very existence of such doubt, as more than a few Trump supporters do, even on this very site, makes you wonder if he will ever make the attempt.
It takes more to be a leader than snark, riches, and populist generalities, or so I used to think, then 2008 happened...
Trump's good about immigration. We get that. He's gonna stick it to the donor class on behalf of the voting class, or so it seems, we'll take that too. But tell us, and make us believe, why we should trust you, Donald Trump, over the others that live as you lived, mouthing the right words when and where they were needed, but now assuring us that you did not believe those things.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at October 22, 2015 12:54 PM (6JL3d)
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"A lot of people will not vote for a Black man ever
again..."
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 22, 2015 12:52 PM (kXoT0)
Well, Carson doesn't need the Left to win the presidency.
again..."
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 22, 2015 12:52 PM (kXoT0)
Well, Carson doesn't need the Left to win the presidency.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 22, 2015 12:54 PM (Zu3d9)
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I bet shrillary is on depressants, she sounds sad. She's forcing it. She's disgusting. Truly. I should turn it off. She's so disgusting.
eventually she will start crying
I bet shrillary is on depressants, she sounds sad. She's forcing it. She's disgusting. Truly. I should turn it off. She's so disgusting.
eventually she will start crying
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2015 12:54 PM (qCMvj)
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Putting that tweet into Scott Adam's Hypnosis Wizard filter, Trump posted that to create an association in people's minds of Iowa being bought and paid for by Monsanto, making Iowans resistant to continuing what they are doing, and also associating Carson with Big Corporations and more importantly Big Science.
Posted by: Phelps at October 22, 2015 12:54 PM (X9ZOD)
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Now.... Gowdy. Better be good.
Posted by: Toonces the Cat at October 22, 2015 12:54 PM (e7T6D)
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175 Trump's constituency is starting to show something of a pattern. It's not exactly a terribly fact-based pattern. I'm reminded of the vaccine question from the first debate here...
There's a lot of people who believe this stuff.
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What you are missing is that Trump is reaching out and giving these 'true believers' a way to express their belief while benefiting Trump. Vaccine or GMO foods, these are true believers that want to be heard, or at least, listened to. Trump is badging them as his voters for the cost of a tweet. He is also managing to build political legs in constituencies that would never consider a GOPe candidate. Trump surprises me daily with his political moxxy.
There's a lot of people who believe this stuff.
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What you are missing is that Trump is reaching out and giving these 'true believers' a way to express their belief while benefiting Trump. Vaccine or GMO foods, these are true believers that want to be heard, or at least, listened to. Trump is badging them as his voters for the cost of a tweet. He is also managing to build political legs in constituencies that would never consider a GOPe candidate. Trump surprises me daily with his political moxxy.
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 22, 2015 12:55 PM (oDCMR)
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@216
Per the RCP averages, Carson consistently beats HRC by margins greater than any other potential GOP candidate. All theoretical at this point, but the guy's H2H polling and outsider status is mighty intriguing.
Per the RCP averages, Carson consistently beats HRC by margins greater than any other potential GOP candidate. All theoretical at this point, but the guy's H2H polling and outsider status is mighty intriguing.
Posted by: FightWinger at October 22, 2015 12:55 PM (sQQU0)
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Ancient Aliens guy from SyFy as White House press secretary just to see if his hair starts to talk. Then gets into a fight on camera with the Trump Turbo-Pompadour 2000.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2015 12:55 PM (VOZeJ)
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ooohhhhhh what can we doooooooooo??????? how about fucking sending security when the people in the know....you know....the people actually there ask for it instead of listening to the desk people.... the customer service state dept hotline who have a grinder hook up at 4:55pm
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at October 22, 2015 12:55 PM (0O7c5)
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Heck with Iowa, oversize ridiculously weighted state every presidential election. Sorry any Iowans here but your status is ridiculous every 4 years.
I don't buy Carson winning 2 states in the primaries.
I don't buy Carson winning 2 states in the primaries.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 22, 2015 12:55 PM (39g3+)
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I think I hate Hillary! at least as much as Barry.
Her fake "concern" about our military.
Now, Gowdy is having none of the bullshit. War Hair on fire!
Her fake "concern" about our military.
Now, Gowdy is having none of the bullshit. War Hair on fire!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 22, 2015 12:55 PM (FsuaD)
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Iowans haven't actually heard Ben Carson talk, now have they?
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I think it was SCTV that used to do a skit about Andy Williams concerts. They show Andy on stage, practically asleep, lying of a couch and singing. Reminds me of Carson (who I will definitely vote for if he gets the nomination).
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I think it was SCTV that used to do a skit about Andy Williams concerts. They show Andy on stage, practically asleep, lying of a couch and singing. Reminds me of Carson (who I will definitely vote for if he gets the nomination).
Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 22, 2015 12:55 PM (lKSyl)
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ooh, mad ace! well, at least testy ace (with reason). Me like.
It's almost worth considering trying to be a whiny fa***t in the thread, just to get provoke ace into some of his finest moments.
Almost.
ooh, mad ace! well, at least testy ace (with reason). Me like.
It's almost worth considering trying to be a whiny fa***t in the thread, just to get provoke ace into some of his finest moments.
Almost.
Posted by: rhomboid at October 22, 2015 12:56 PM (QDnY+)
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"Let us not be like the Democrats, worshiping their candidates, jumping to their defense as though their vices are an indictment of our own persons. We are free-thinking human beings, not propagandists."
Just, Oh please. Try again.
Just, Oh please. Try again.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at October 22, 2015 12:56 PM (Drp7E)
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Wow.. Hillary has no shame... incredible
Posted by: Toonces the Cat at October 22, 2015 12:54 PM (e7T6D)
Her stance is "Gosh, jolly gee, I don't know why these people are "going after me." I did nothing wrong. This is so silly. Gosh, I'm so sad for all of this.
She's distancing herself from everything, as if she was not SoS.
See how she changes her stance when Gowdy asks questions.
Posted by: Toonces the Cat at October 22, 2015 12:54 PM (e7T6D)
Her stance is "Gosh, jolly gee, I don't know why these people are "going after me." I did nothing wrong. This is so silly. Gosh, I'm so sad for all of this.
She's distancing herself from everything, as if she was not SoS.
See how she changes her stance when Gowdy asks questions.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2015 12:56 PM (qCMvj)
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Yes, Carson has brains and courage and integrity.
I like that.
I have zero hopes of him winning the general election.
If he's the nom the Dems will create a fake sex scandal to sink him.
I like that.
I have zero hopes of him winning the general election.
If he's the nom the Dems will create a fake sex scandal to sink him.
Posted by: @votermom at October 22, 2015 12:56 PM (cbfNE)
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229 re Trump's tweets, the man has an ego that makes Obama's seem modest and humble in comparison.
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One is a god, the other a hero with heroic tales. There is a difference.
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One is a god, the other a hero with heroic tales. There is a difference.
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 22, 2015 12:57 PM (oDCMR)
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Man, Trey Gowdy is kicking butt! He just lambasted a Dem congressman who tried to cast aspersions on the motives of the Benghazi committee.
Posted by: biancaneve at October 22, 2015 12:57 PM (37TvV)
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Wow. Go, Gowdy. *fans self*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 22, 2015 12:57 PM (FsuaD)
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Ha! It would almost be worth it just for that circus! Press Secretary George Nouri, anyone?
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at October 22, 2015 12:52 PM (9krrF
Hey, what about me?
Posted by: George Bell
Ha! It would almost be worth it just for that circus! Press Secretary George Nouri, anyone?
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at October 22, 2015 12:52 PM (9krrF
Hey, what about me?
Posted by: George Bell
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 22, 2015 12:58 PM (OLNwX)
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did you see her resting her chin in her hand whilst leaning on her elbow placed on the desk rolling her damn eyes?......
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 22, 2015 12:53 PM
There is something medically wrong with her. She can no longer control herself. Organic brain something. She is deteriorating like old folks do.
did you see her resting her chin in her hand whilst leaning on her elbow placed on the desk rolling her damn eyes?......
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 22, 2015 12:53 PM
There is something medically wrong with her. She can no longer control herself. Organic brain something. She is deteriorating like old folks do.
Posted by: Lester at October 22, 2015 12:58 PM (2UPXV)
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As a pretty traditional member of the establishbment, I can say that Carson is way, way more palatable to me than Trump. I'd vote for Carson in the general, but would go 3rd party over Trump. The key point for me is that I actually believe Carson agrees with me on the issues he claims to agree with me.
As a pretty traditional member of the establishbment, I can say that Carson is way, way more palatable to me than Trump. I'd vote for Carson in the general, but would go 3rd party over Trump. The key point for me is that I actually believe Carson agrees with me on the issues he claims to agree with me.
Posted by: FJ Min at October 22, 2015 12:58 PM (BHcX6)
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Ancient Aliens guy from SyFy as White House press secretary just to see if his hair starts to talk. Then gets into a fight on camera with the Trump Turbo-Pompadour 2000.
..........................
Giorgio would be a lot more believable than Josh Earnest.
Ancient Aliens guy from SyFy as White House press secretary just to see if his hair starts to talk. Then gets into a fight on camera with the Trump Turbo-Pompadour 2000.
..........................
Giorgio would be a lot more believable than Josh Earnest.
Posted by: wth at October 22, 2015 12:58 PM (wAQA5)
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Gowdy nailing the Beast on her many lies...with her own e-mails!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 22, 2015 12:59 PM (FsuaD)
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Ace says: "stop being a fucking faggit. "
I would contend you are the one being a faggit.
Here's why:
you don't want to contend with the facts on the ground
Trump talks very tough on illegal immigration and people believe him (he wants to put up a fence, he wants to put a stop to anchor babies)
illegal immigration has been a thorn in the side of the American voter for a good thirty years - and I do not mean merely Repbulicans, but Democrats too - back in 94, I was a registered Democrat and I ran a phone room for the Dem Party doing polls - the voters were asked what is the major issue to you - the answer was illegal immigration OVERWHELMINGLY - of course when the polls came out the democrat party ignored this fact and only talked about what they wanted to talk about
because illegal immigration is such a big issue, trump could win many many voters who would otherwise vote democrat - carson, fiorina, cruz and rubio could not - and besides, other than cruz, there is little evidence that any of those four would be on our side anyway
There is also the fact that Trump would be perceived as trustworthy on the economy.
Additionally, because Trump sees the world as a negotiation which one wins by being tough, he will also be perceived as a solution to the last 8 years of decreasing American dominance in global affairs.
Carson will be perceived as out of his league. Rubio is not liked by anyone but Republicans. Fiorina is unelectable because of her HP track record, and Cruz is probably also totally unelectable.
That really only leaves Trump.
My opinion is, the best ticket would be either Trump and Carson or Trump and Rubio.
I would contend you are the one being a faggit.
Here's why:
you don't want to contend with the facts on the ground
Trump talks very tough on illegal immigration and people believe him (he wants to put up a fence, he wants to put a stop to anchor babies)
illegal immigration has been a thorn in the side of the American voter for a good thirty years - and I do not mean merely Repbulicans, but Democrats too - back in 94, I was a registered Democrat and I ran a phone room for the Dem Party doing polls - the voters were asked what is the major issue to you - the answer was illegal immigration OVERWHELMINGLY - of course when the polls came out the democrat party ignored this fact and only talked about what they wanted to talk about
because illegal immigration is such a big issue, trump could win many many voters who would otherwise vote democrat - carson, fiorina, cruz and rubio could not - and besides, other than cruz, there is little evidence that any of those four would be on our side anyway
There is also the fact that Trump would be perceived as trustworthy on the economy.
Additionally, because Trump sees the world as a negotiation which one wins by being tough, he will also be perceived as a solution to the last 8 years of decreasing American dominance in global affairs.
Carson will be perceived as out of his league. Rubio is not liked by anyone but Republicans. Fiorina is unelectable because of her HP track record, and Cruz is probably also totally unelectable.
That really only leaves Trump.
My opinion is, the best ticket would be either Trump and Carson or Trump and Rubio.
Posted by: Pastorius at October 22, 2015 12:59 PM (gMAUH)
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I'm with Ace.
We could get someone who would beat him in the polls, but I believe it would take a personal letter of apology from Ace to Sarah Palin to get her to run.
We could get someone who would beat him in the polls, but I believe it would take a personal letter of apology from Ace to Sarah Palin to get her to run.
Posted by: jwest at October 22, 2015 12:59 PM (Zs4uk)
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237 Ancient Aliens guy from SyFy as White House press secretary just to see if his hair starts to talk. Then gets into a fight on camera with the Trump Turbo-Pompadour 2000.
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I like it. Can we have Chicken Parmesan Sandwiches too?
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I like it. Can we have Chicken Parmesan Sandwiches too?
Posted by: Lazy Peyton Manning at October 22, 2015 12:59 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 22, 2015 12:59 PM (JtwS4)
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While tactically true, I would posit that Iowa has more in common with the Democrats than the (purported) Republicans. I am at a loss for what Republican plank or ideal the ethanol subsidies are supported by.
When your campaign is about cutting the pork and making government less burdensome (in part or main), it isn't worthwhile courting a group whose livelihood depends on government bribery and subsidy.
Yes, Trump is an ass with chronic brainfarts. But what is the loss in pissing off a state that doesn't want what you're selling when you can pick up votes from other states that may like you giving them (Iowa) the proverbial finger?
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire)
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If Trump "wrote off" Iowa by going against Ethanol subsidies, that's an entirely different matter than insulting the entire state because he's losing in a poll.
And if George W. Bush can win the state and it has a Republican Governor, one Republican Senator and a Republican legislature (lower half), why just hand it over to Democrats all because you're a bit miffed at a poll?
When your campaign is about cutting the pork and making government less burdensome (in part or main), it isn't worthwhile courting a group whose livelihood depends on government bribery and subsidy.
Yes, Trump is an ass with chronic brainfarts. But what is the loss in pissing off a state that doesn't want what you're selling when you can pick up votes from other states that may like you giving them (Iowa) the proverbial finger?
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire)
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If Trump "wrote off" Iowa by going against Ethanol subsidies, that's an entirely different matter than insulting the entire state because he's losing in a poll.
And if George W. Bush can win the state and it has a Republican Governor, one Republican Senator and a Republican legislature (lower half), why just hand it over to Democrats all because you're a bit miffed at a poll?
Posted by: Coolio at October 22, 2015 12:59 PM (fefoA)
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How cute. Is that Cheryl Mills passing her notes?
Posted by: gonna be sick... at October 22, 2015 01:00 PM (lqmAz)
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Trump's good about immigration. We get that. He's gonna stick it to the donor class on behalf of the voting class, or so it seems, we'll take that too. But tell us, and make us believe, why we should trust you, Donald Trump, over the others that live as you lived, mouthing the right words when and where they were needed, but now assuring us that you did not believe those things.
DT'sH has also mentioned his support for the Tea Party, the Second Amendment and against NAFTA, none of which affected his polling numbers.
I'm still a Cruz dude, but Teh Hair is fun to watch. He doesn't really care what he says or tweets and has "fuck you" money. A big plus is that the MFM doesn't know what to do with him.
And I don't think I'd be going out on a limb to say that both Cruz and Carson, and maybe even Fiorina would have a place in his admin.
DT'sH has also mentioned his support for the Tea Party, the Second Amendment and against NAFTA, none of which affected his polling numbers.
I'm still a Cruz dude, but Teh Hair is fun to watch. He doesn't really care what he says or tweets and has "fuck you" money. A big plus is that the MFM doesn't know what to do with him.
And I don't think I'd be going out on a limb to say that both Cruz and Carson, and maybe even Fiorina would have a place in his admin.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 22, 2015 01:00 PM (LUgeY)
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11 Iowa is full of white, social conservative, ethanol socialists who are eager to demonstrate that they are not racist.
And assholes.
And assholes.
Posted by: wooga at October 22, 2015 01:00 PM (d0wRk)
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Wow. Go, Gowdy. *fans self*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 22, 2015 12:57 PM (FsuaD)
yea, she won't let Shrillary or the other Dems trying to cover for her get away with it
I'm so embarrassed for my government. They really are worthless.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 22, 2015 12:57 PM (FsuaD)
yea, she won't let Shrillary or the other Dems trying to cover for her get away with it
I'm so embarrassed for my government. They really are worthless.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2015 01:01 PM (qCMvj)
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A lot of people will not vote for a Black man ever again, even though there are several thousand light years of difference between Carson and Obama.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes
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White guilters will be like, "I've done my duty already. No thanks". Liberals will be like, "Well, that's one checked off the list. Now we need vagina, homo, muslim. Be nice if we could get a twofer."
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes
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White guilters will be like, "I've done my duty already. No thanks". Liberals will be like, "Well, that's one checked off the list. Now we need vagina, homo, muslim. Be nice if we could get a twofer."
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at October 22, 2015 01:01 PM (E5UB0)
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"Let us not be like the Democrats, worshiping their
candidates, jumping to their defense as though their vices are an
indictment of our own persons. We are free-thinking human beings, not
propagandists."
Just, Oh please. Try again.
Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at October 22, 2015 12:56 PM (Drp7E)
There is nothing to try again. I demand reason and clarity of thought.
If it cannot be provided, the battle is forfeited. This is not a difficult concept.
Donald Trump is a grown man. He does not need "fans" defending his policy position changes. He could use supporters convincing others of the reasons he's said and done what he has, and why we, the skeptics, ought to support him as well.
"Try again" and similar quips feel good to the tribalist in us all, but, again, we are free-thinking men and women. We are not mere animals, we are created in the image of the living God. We demand truth and reason.
candidates, jumping to their defense as though their vices are an
indictment of our own persons. We are free-thinking human beings, not
propagandists."
Just, Oh please. Try again.
Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at October 22, 2015 12:56 PM (Drp7E)
There is nothing to try again. I demand reason and clarity of thought.
If it cannot be provided, the battle is forfeited. This is not a difficult concept.
Donald Trump is a grown man. He does not need "fans" defending his policy position changes. He could use supporters convincing others of the reasons he's said and done what he has, and why we, the skeptics, ought to support him as well.
"Try again" and similar quips feel good to the tribalist in us all, but, again, we are free-thinking men and women. We are not mere animals, we are created in the image of the living God. We demand truth and reason.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at October 22, 2015 01:01 PM (6JL3d)
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If you think there's a lot of Roundup in the beans and corn, just wait until marihuana is universally legal, and crazy shit like supply and demand and efficiency and markets kick in. Monsanto is going to own this.
It won't be all Mom and Pop and li'l Buzz tying off a few dozen buds in the backyard. Nah, Iowa will be fencepost-to-fencepost with the stuff, and Paraquat is going to look like the old Alar on the Apples scandal. Smoke if you've got it.
It won't be all Mom and Pop and li'l Buzz tying off a few dozen buds in the backyard. Nah, Iowa will be fencepost-to-fencepost with the stuff, and Paraquat is going to look like the old Alar on the Apples scandal. Smoke if you've got it.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 22, 2015 01:01 PM (xq1UY)
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"Trust" Trump? Huh?
If the choice is between the Haggard Queen and the loudmouth ...... how does the "trust" issue break out? Ha!
Let's review the other offerings. Rubio (to say the name is to elicit contemptuous laughter). Cruz. Hmm, at least some credibility.
But the first, defining error is to over-emphasize the presidency, and the personal aspects of a president, when obviously the problems are much bigger. Lawlessness. Judicial tyranny. Cretinized (but precisely tune-able) electorate. Collapsed standards and institutions. Alien mindset dominating most govt. people, state and federal. No opposition party.
"Trust" Trump? Huh?
If the choice is between the Haggard Queen and the loudmouth ...... how does the "trust" issue break out? Ha!
Let's review the other offerings. Rubio (to say the name is to elicit contemptuous laughter). Cruz. Hmm, at least some credibility.
But the first, defining error is to over-emphasize the presidency, and the personal aspects of a president, when obviously the problems are much bigger. Lawlessness. Judicial tyranny. Cretinized (but precisely tune-able) electorate. Collapsed standards and institutions. Alien mindset dominating most govt. people, state and federal. No opposition party.
Posted by: rhomboid at October 22, 2015 01:02 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 22, 2015 01:02 PM (yddCj)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 22, 2015 01:02 PM (FsuaD)
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How cute. Is that Cheryl Mills passing her notes?
Posted by: gonna be sick... at October 22, 2015 01:00 PM (lqmAz)
the note said, hide your notes, because then she quickly hid her personal notes into her folder
probably camera shots of them already, lol
Posted by: gonna be sick... at October 22, 2015 01:00 PM (lqmAz)
the note said, hide your notes, because then she quickly hid her personal notes into her folder
probably camera shots of them already, lol
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2015 01:02 PM (qCMvj)
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I'm having a hard time getting past the fact that Donald Trump is a creature of the very system he decries.
Posted by: creeper at October 22, 2015 12:48 PM (Hh8cI)
I think I saw that movie. Read that novel. Sat through that play.
Oldest plot in the world. The hero usually drops to his knees, throws his head back and shouts 'NOOOOoooooo!' when he comes to that 'I-am-a-creature-of-the-very-system-I-decry' realization. It's always very poignant.
Posted by: creeper at October 22, 2015 12:48 PM (Hh8cI)
I think I saw that movie. Read that novel. Sat through that play.
Oldest plot in the world. The hero usually drops to his knees, throws his head back and shouts 'NOOOOoooooo!' when he comes to that 'I-am-a-creature-of-the-very-system-I-decry' realization. It's always very poignant.
Posted by: troyriser at October 22, 2015 01:02 PM (cCEFD)
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I want to see Carson in a debate with Hillary Clinton, if only for him to say to her:
"You are showing some disturbing symptoms. Please call my office to schedule an appointment for some tests."
"You are showing some disturbing symptoms. Please call my office to schedule an appointment for some tests."
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at October 22, 2015 01:03 PM (eytER)
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I've tried to avoid it.
I just turned on the tv to the hearings.
F*ck, I'm hopeless.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 22, 2015 01:02 PM (yddCj)
we know she won't be punished by this DOJ, so it's theater in the end, but good theater - it's truth seeking
I just turned on the tv to the hearings.
F*ck, I'm hopeless.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 22, 2015 01:02 PM (yddCj)
we know she won't be punished by this DOJ, so it's theater in the end, but good theater - it's truth seeking
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2015 01:03 PM (qCMvj)
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Well, Carson doesn't need the Left to win the presidency.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 22, 2015 12:54 PM (Zu3d9)
I was actually talking about middle of the road moderate unaffiliated folks who were duped by Obama.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 22, 2015 12:54 PM (Zu3d9)
I was actually talking about middle of the road moderate unaffiliated folks who were duped by Obama.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 22, 2015 01:03 PM (kXoT0)
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So let me guess, Huggy Bear is not her source.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 22, 2015 01:04 PM (yddCj)
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I want to see Carson in a debate with Hillary Clinton, if only for him to say to her:
"You are showing some disturbing symptoms. Please call my office to schedule an appointment for some tests."
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at October 22, 2015 01:03 PM (eytER)
oh man
he might have the ballz to do that
"You are showing some disturbing symptoms. Please call my office to schedule an appointment for some tests."
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at October 22, 2015 01:03 PM (eytER)
oh man
he might have the ballz to do that
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2015 01:04 PM (qCMvj)
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Polling still doesn't matter. We've only gone from very few people paying attention to few people paying attention. By December they might mean something. Might.
Remember kids, this time last cycle Newt Gingrich was in the lead. Trump's base of no-information nonvoters are very unlikely to show up and pull his lever between January an March.
Remember kids, this time last cycle Newt Gingrich was in the lead. Trump's base of no-information nonvoters are very unlikely to show up and pull his lever between January an March.
Posted by: TallDave at October 22, 2015 01:04 PM (/s1LA)
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Now THIS is must-see TV.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 22, 2015 01:04 PM (FsuaD)
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>>>We are not mere animals
Liberals are the animals. But they're the ones with all the power currently. We might do well to emulate them in strategy, if not in spirit.
Liberals are the animals. But they're the ones with all the power currently. We might do well to emulate them in strategy, if not in spirit.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at October 22, 2015 01:04 PM (E5UB0)
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I was actually talking about middle of the road moderate unaffiliated folks who were duped by Obama.
I prefer the term drooling retards with Amoeba sized intellects who were fooled by a mere imbecile.
I prefer the term drooling retards with Amoeba sized intellects who were fooled by a mere imbecile.
Posted by: maddogg at October 22, 2015 01:05 PM (xWW96)
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When was the last time Iowa picked the nominee?
Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at October 22, 2015 01:05 PM (yXQZ6)
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*reads some entertainment news*
Fox will be doing a remake of Rocky Horror Picture Show with Laverne Cox taking on the role of that sweet transvestite Dr. Frank-N-furter.
SMOD!
Fox will be doing a remake of Rocky Horror Picture Show with Laverne Cox taking on the role of that sweet transvestite Dr. Frank-N-furter.
SMOD!
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2015 01:05 PM (VOZeJ)
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How cute. Is that Cheryl Mills passing her notes?
Posted by: gonna be sick... at October 22, 2015 01:00 PM (lqmAz)
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The note said: "Sheila Jackson Lee likes you!!!"
How cute. Is that Cheryl Mills passing her notes?
Posted by: gonna be sick... at October 22, 2015 01:00 PM (lqmAz)
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The note said: "Sheila Jackson Lee likes you!!!"
Posted by: wth at October 22, 2015 01:06 PM (wAQA5)
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...The hero usually drops to his knees, throws his head back and shouts 'NOOOOoooooo!' when he comes to that 'I-am-a-creature-of-the-very-system-I-decry' realization. It's always very poignant....
I think I saw that movie...was Shatner in it?
I think I saw that movie...was Shatner in it?
Posted by: AltonJackson at October 22, 2015 01:06 PM (ZQfW9)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2015 01:06 PM (qCMvj)
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My fear with Trump is female voters. He would absolutely have to put a female on the ticket.
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Ms. Lindsey's available.
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Ms. Lindsey's available.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 22, 2015 01:06 PM (lKSyl)
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Trump won't do anything about illegal immigration, he'll do exactly what the GOPe did during Bush 43s admin, talk tough so the rubes will support him while quietly letting the cheap illegal labor flow through for the biz crowd.
Posted by: All Teh Meh at October 22, 2015 01:06 PM (VasJF)
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OMG. Gowdy reading Blumenthal's e-mails to Hillary! trashing Obama.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 22, 2015 01:06 PM (FsuaD)
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Giorgio would be a lot more believable than Josh Earnest.
Posted by: wth at October 22, 2015 12:58 PM (wAQA5)
He'd also deal in more facts.
Posted by: wth at October 22, 2015 12:58 PM (wAQA5)
He'd also deal in more facts.
Posted by: buzzion at October 22, 2015 01:07 PM (zt+N6)
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Trump is not conservative. But neither was Bush, Quayle, Dole, Kemp, Bush, Cheney, McCain, Romney, or Ryan.
I'd prefer a semi-conservative candidate, but only two of those guys ever got the nomination (Goldwater and Reagan).
So if we're going to go with yet another non-conservative nominee, I'd rather it be someone who weakens establishment power (Trump) than reinforces it (Bush).
I'd prefer a semi-conservative candidate, but only two of those guys ever got the nomination (Goldwater and Reagan).
So if we're going to go with yet another non-conservative nominee, I'd rather it be someone who weakens establishment power (Trump) than reinforces it (Bush).
Posted by: wooga at October 22, 2015 01:07 PM (d0wRk)
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I want to see Carson in a debate with Hillary Clinton, if only for him to say to her:
"You are showing some disturbing symptoms. Please call my office to schedule an appointment for some tests."
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks
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He's a brain surgeon. If he wanted to remove a malignant tumor from inside her skull. He'd have to remove her entire brain.
Maybe a visit to his office wouldn't be such a bad idea after all.
"You are showing some disturbing symptoms. Please call my office to schedule an appointment for some tests."
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks
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He's a brain surgeon. If he wanted to remove a malignant tumor from inside her skull. He'd have to remove her entire brain.
Maybe a visit to his office wouldn't be such a bad idea after all.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at October 22, 2015 01:07 PM (E5UB0)
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Posted by: Pastorius at October 22, 2015 12:59 PM (gMAUH)
Item one: Trump's immigration position is an about-face from his stated beliefs in previous years. This is incontrovertible fact. Why should we believe him now, when he says those statements were only words?
Item two: Donald Trump's worth a lot of money, but he's been bankrupt more than once in his life, and this is a country to run, not a business. The Business is in business for the Business, and The Business' Interests are first and foremost. The Country's interests is the common defense, general welfare, and liberty of the people, not simply the Bottom Line of the federal coffers. Donald Trump defends Kelo. Will he truly be a defender of the people's rights, or will he be limited to the restructuring of the government's finances, a task he cannot accomplish without broad support OF the people against their Senators and Representatives, who, obviously, do not care about the people's interests at all?
Posted by: Pastorius at October 22, 2015 12:59 PM (gMAUH)
Item one: Trump's immigration position is an about-face from his stated beliefs in previous years. This is incontrovertible fact. Why should we believe him now, when he says those statements were only words?
Item two: Donald Trump's worth a lot of money, but he's been bankrupt more than once in his life, and this is a country to run, not a business. The Business is in business for the Business, and The Business' Interests are first and foremost. The Country's interests is the common defense, general welfare, and liberty of the people, not simply the Bottom Line of the federal coffers. Donald Trump defends Kelo. Will he truly be a defender of the people's rights, or will he be limited to the restructuring of the government's finances, a task he cannot accomplish without broad support OF the people against their Senators and Representatives, who, obviously, do not care about the people's interests at all?
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at October 22, 2015 01:07 PM (6JL3d)
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I want to see Carson in a debate with Hillary Clinton, if only for him to say to her:
"You are showing some disturbing symptoms. Please call my office to schedule an appointment for some tests."
*golf clap*
"You are showing some disturbing symptoms. Please call my office to schedule an appointment for some tests."
*golf clap*
Posted by: zombie Pontious Pilate Governor of Judea at October 22, 2015 01:07 PM (326rv)
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Fox will be doing a remake of Rocky Horror Picture Show with Laverne Cox taking on the role of that sweet transvestite Dr. Frank-N-furter.
Just binged her. She's a good-looking girl.
But, um, what the holy fuck are they missing about sweet transvestite?
Just binged her. She's a good-looking girl.
But, um, what the holy fuck are they missing about sweet transvestite?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 22, 2015 01:08 PM (JtwS4)
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I think I saw that movie...was Shatner in it?
It was Richard Chamberlin in The Thorn Birds.
In the rectory.
After he did Rachel Whatshername, who was eminently hittable.
It was Richard Chamberlin in The Thorn Birds.
In the rectory.
After he did Rachel Whatshername, who was eminently hittable.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 22, 2015 01:08 PM (LUgeY)
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I think I saw that movie...was Shatner in it?
Posted by: AltonJackson at October 22, 2015 01:06 PM (ZQfW9)
You bet. In a standout cameo, Brian Dennehy played The Very System I Decry. Not a dry eye in the house.
Posted by: AltonJackson at October 22, 2015 01:06 PM (ZQfW9)
You bet. In a standout cameo, Brian Dennehy played The Very System I Decry. Not a dry eye in the house.
Posted by: troyriser at October 22, 2015 01:08 PM (cCEFD)
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Too much #Monsanto in the #corn creates issues in the brain?
Will he claim it's a joke? That's his fall back.
Too much #Monsanto in the #corn creates issues in the brain?
Will he claim it's a joke? That's his fall back.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2015 01:08 PM (qCMvj)
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...The hero usually drops to his knees, throws his head back and shouts 'NOOOOoooooo!' when he comes to that 'I-am-a-creature-of-the-very-system-I-decry' realization. It's always very poignant....
I think I saw that movie...was Shatner in it?
was, Shatner, in, it? Fixed for Shatner.
I think I saw that movie...was Shatner in it?
was, Shatner, in, it? Fixed for Shatner.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2015 01:09 PM (Rlakk)
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He just doesn't know when to shut His mouth...
Posted by: donna at October 22, 2015 01:09 PM (/dSsq)
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Gowdy beating Hillary! with a baseball bat. And now Hillary's! flying monkey, the Orc comes to her defense.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 22, 2015 01:09 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 22, 2015 01:09 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2015 01:09 PM (qCMvj)
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OMG. Gowdy reading Blumenthal's e-mails to Hillary! trashing Obama.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 22, 2015 01:06 PM (FsuaD)
You mean the Blumenthal that Obama strictly forbade her to use as an adviser while SoS, that Sidney Blumenthal? My hope is that she does or says something in the hearing that finally causes ValJar to pull the metaphorical trigger on getting her.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 22, 2015 01:06 PM (FsuaD)
You mean the Blumenthal that Obama strictly forbade her to use as an adviser while SoS, that Sidney Blumenthal? My hope is that she does or says something in the hearing that finally causes ValJar to pull the metaphorical trigger on getting her.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 22, 2015 01:09 PM (kXoT0)
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299 Gowdy beating Hillary! with a baseball bat. And now Hillary's! flying monkey, the Orc comes to her defense.
That poor helpless woman being attacked by those mean Republicans... The MSM...
That poor helpless woman being attacked by those mean Republicans... The MSM...
Posted by: donna at October 22, 2015 01:10 PM (/dSsq)
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It won't be all Mom and Pop and li'l Buzz tying off a few dozen buds in the backyard. Nah, Iowa will be fencepost-to-fencepost with the stuff, and Paraquat is going to look like the old Alar on the Apples scandal. Smoke if you've got it.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 22, 2015 01:01 PM (xq1UY)
Oh my God, paraquat. Hadn't heard that word in, what, 30 years or so??
Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 22, 2015 01:01 PM (xq1UY)
Oh my God, paraquat. Hadn't heard that word in, what, 30 years or so??
Posted by: Tex Lovera at October 22, 2015 01:10 PM (gODb/)
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Ms. Lindsey's available.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at Octo
So is Bruce Jenner, she accomplished something.
Ms. Lindsey's available.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at Octo
So is Bruce Jenner, she accomplished something.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 22, 2015 01:10 PM (yddCj)
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'...Creeper says he's making some allusion to Montsanto's "chemicals" in their farming methods. That's even worse than the money angle! If that's the case, he's retweeting someone saying that pesticides have made Iowans mentally impaired!...'
Yeah, Monsanto is a chemical company, and they make fertilizer or stuff like that, and that's obviously what he's saying.
Not a great idea to insult the voters, but the way he's going here is to put down Iowa with the idea that the rest of the country will shrug this off and say "Who cares what Iowa thinks"? Unlike other candidates, his campaign is not seriously impaired if he loses Iowa - he is not dependent on donors.
Yeah, Monsanto is a chemical company, and they make fertilizer or stuff like that, and that's obviously what he's saying.
Not a great idea to insult the voters, but the way he's going here is to put down Iowa with the idea that the rest of the country will shrug this off and say "Who cares what Iowa thinks"? Unlike other candidates, his campaign is not seriously impaired if he loses Iowa - he is not dependent on donors.
Posted by: Optimizer at October 22, 2015 01:10 PM (/q6+P)
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*reads some entertainment news*
Fox will be doing a remake of Rocky Horror Picture Show with Laverne Cox taking on the role of that sweet transvestite Dr. Frank-N-furter.
SMOD!
Posted by: Anna Puma
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What retards. That movie is like Citizen Kane or 8 1/2.
You don't remake films like that.
Fox will be doing a remake of Rocky Horror Picture Show with Laverne Cox taking on the role of that sweet transvestite Dr. Frank-N-furter.
SMOD!
Posted by: Anna Puma
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What retards. That movie is like Citizen Kane or 8 1/2.
You don't remake films like that.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 22, 2015 01:10 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2015 01:10 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: donna at October 22, 2015 01:11 PM (/dSsq)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 22, 2015 01:11 PM (FsuaD)
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Item two: Donald Trump's worth a lot of money, but he's been bankrupt more than once in his life, and this is a country to run, not a business.
This country is bankrupt.
This country is bankrupt.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2015 01:11 PM (Rlakk)
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The Very System I Decry was a sequel to I Have Become What I Beheld.
It's by Mamet. They sure talk a lot. Got Capone, though. "He's in the car."
It's by Mamet. They sure talk a lot. Got Capone, though. "He's in the car."
Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 22, 2015 01:11 PM (xq1UY)
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Bandersnatch, I'm waiting for the RHPS legion of fans to boycott with signs reading "Don't play with our Frank-N-furter!"
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2015 01:11 PM (VOZeJ)
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...The hero usually drops to his knees, throws his head back and shouts 'NOOOOoooooo!' when he comes to that 'I-am-a-creature-of-the-very-system-I-decry' realization. It's always very poignant....
That was the point of the book and title to "I Am Legend" -- the hero realizes he is the monster of legend to the sentient zombie/vampire infected. And then Will Smith's version shit all over it and made "Legend" only a reference to the Bob Marley compilation album. Seriously, you guys.
That was the point of the book and title to "I Am Legend" -- the hero realizes he is the monster of legend to the sentient zombie/vampire infected. And then Will Smith's version shit all over it and made "Legend" only a reference to the Bob Marley compilation album. Seriously, you guys.
Posted by: wooga at October 22, 2015 01:12 PM (d0wRk)
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This country is bankrupt.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2015 01:11 PM (Rlakk)
Aye, but there's more to saving the country than just the finances.
Nothing about human culture exists in a vacuum.
This country is bankrupt.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2015 01:11 PM (Rlakk)
Aye, but there's more to saving the country than just the finances.
Nothing about human culture exists in a vacuum.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at October 22, 2015 01:12 PM (6JL3d)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 22, 2015 01:12 PM (LUgeY)
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And assholes.
Posted by: wooga at October 22, 2015 01:00 PM (d0wRk)
*************************************************************Nice.
Posted by: wooga at October 22, 2015 01:00 PM (d0wRk)
*************************************************************Nice.
Posted by: creeper at October 22, 2015 01:12 PM (Hh8cI)
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Yeah, Monsanto is a chemical company, and they make fertilizer or stuff like that, and that's obviously what he's saying.
Posted by: Optimizer at October 22, 2015 01:10 PM (/q6+P)
monsanto's most known for genetically modified corn - in political circles
The world hates them for genetically engineering food, especially corn.
Posted by: Optimizer at October 22, 2015 01:10 PM (/q6+P)
monsanto's most known for genetically modified corn - in political circles
The world hates them for genetically engineering food, especially corn.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2015 01:12 PM (qCMvj)
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trashing obama, emails
haha
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
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Sounds funny, but if it's really that bad, the MSM won't report it. Be nice though if these emails give ammo to the eventual Republican candidate for some nifty attack ads.
haha
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Sounds funny, but if it's really that bad, the MSM won't report it. Be nice though if these emails give ammo to the eventual Republican candidate for some nifty attack ads.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at October 22, 2015 01:12 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2015 01:13 PM (qCMvj)
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Some looks like he Cummings undone.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 22, 2015 01:13 PM (493sH)
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Jeebus. Cummings is about to stroke-out.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 22, 2015 01:13 PM (FsuaD)
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And what the Monsanto hating 'tards miss is the fact maize has to be one of the most modified food plants out there. For thousands of years.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2015 01:13 PM (VOZeJ)
Posted by: donna at October 22, 2015 01:14 PM (/dSsq)
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See how they keep trying to deflect the fact that it is Hillary being questioned, and that SHE was SoS.
See how they keep trying to deflect the fact that it is Hillary being questioned, and that SHE was SoS.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2015 01:14 PM (qCMvj)
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Okay, I'm late to this party ... but does anyone else have a problem with the fact that Ben Carson stabbed a guy when he was a teenager? I mean, that's not the kind of thing that generally *helps* in an election.
Posted by: sunny-dee at October 22, 2015 01:15 PM (EBoCD)
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If he starts frothing at the mouth and collapses, then get excited.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 22, 2015 01:15 PM (VOZeJ)
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Carson is 20%, Trump 28% and Jeb is at 4-8%? What is the quickest and most practical path for Jeb to become a double digit player?
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 22, 2015 12:27 PM (oDCM
Do the Bush's know some mafia types?
I just don't Jeb entering double digits anymore. Maybe I'm too optimistic
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 22, 2015 12:30 PM (+c55T)
At some point, and I'm guessing after the next debate,
the also-rans will be told to skeddale by the GOPe,
if a bunch of the 0-3%ers take their ball and go home
Jeb! will be the major beneficiary. Perhaps Rubio as well.
I mean, come on, is anyone who's supporting The Fat Man, the Son of a Postman, Miss Lindsay, etc.
suddenly going to throw their votes to Trump, Carson, or Cruz.
Nope.
So, that's Jeb!'s low-energy, passive-egressive power move-
have his GOPe buddies get the never-wases get out of the race.
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 22, 2015 12:27 PM (oDCM
Do the Bush's know some mafia types?
I just don't Jeb entering double digits anymore. Maybe I'm too optimistic
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 22, 2015 12:30 PM (+c55T)
At some point, and I'm guessing after the next debate,
the also-rans will be told to skeddale by the GOPe,
if a bunch of the 0-3%ers take their ball and go home
Jeb! will be the major beneficiary. Perhaps Rubio as well.
I mean, come on, is anyone who's supporting The Fat Man, the Son of a Postman, Miss Lindsay, etc.
suddenly going to throw their votes to Trump, Carson, or Cruz.
Nope.
So, that's Jeb!'s low-energy, passive-egressive power move-
have his GOPe buddies get the never-wases get out of the race.
Posted by: naturalfake at October 22, 2015 01:15 PM (0cMkb)
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Unlike other candidates, his campaign is not seriously impaired if he loses Iowa - he is not dependent on donors.
Posted by: Optimizer
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I honestly don't believe Trump is going to put much of his own money into this campaign if he gets the nomination.
Trump is rich, but he's not Bloomberg rich where he can comfortably write a $500 million check. Most of his money is tied up into real estate and he would have to take on some pretty big loans with his empire as collateral.
Posted by: Optimizer
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I honestly don't believe Trump is going to put much of his own money into this campaign if he gets the nomination.
Trump is rich, but he's not Bloomberg rich where he can comfortably write a $500 million check. Most of his money is tied up into real estate and he would have to take on some pretty big loans with his empire as collateral.
Posted by: Coolio at October 22, 2015 01:15 PM (fefoA)
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Just binged her. She's a good-looking girl.
But, um, what the holy fuck are they missing about sweet transvestite?
Posted by: Bandersnatch
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Meh. That's a rather manly jaw he's sporting there, as well as the schnoz. Could use a little work.
But, um, what the holy fuck are they missing about sweet transvestite?
Posted by: Bandersnatch
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Meh. That's a rather manly jaw he's sporting there, as well as the schnoz. Could use a little work.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 22, 2015 01:15 PM (E5UB0)
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Jeebuz. War Hair is on fire.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at October 22, 2015 01:15 PM (JtwS4)
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monsanto's most known for genetically modified corn - in political circles
The world hates them for genetically engineering food, especially corn.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2015 01:12 PM (qCMvj)
Not a fan of GMO anything, but, Monsanto and the other evil bigs made American farming efficient enough that we feed the world with food they love to hate.
Super wheat is actually something that is a personal problem for me since I found out that I have a severe gluten allergy. Super wheat has 1000 to 10000 times more gluten than heirloom wheat.
The world hates them for genetically engineering food, especially corn.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2015 01:12 PM (qCMvj)
Not a fan of GMO anything, but, Monsanto and the other evil bigs made American farming efficient enough that we feed the world with food they love to hate.
Super wheat is actually something that is a personal problem for me since I found out that I have a severe gluten allergy. Super wheat has 1000 to 10000 times more gluten than heirloom wheat.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 22, 2015 01:15 PM (kXoT0)
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Hillary grinning like Cheshire cat while committee members claw each other up.
Is the debate clock running while they do this?
Is the debate clock running while they do this?
Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 22, 2015 01:15 PM (xq1UY)
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258: "If Trump "wrote off" Iowa by going against Ethanol subsidies, that's an entirely different matter than insulting the entire state because he's losing in a poll."
I think it's because this particular presidential season is the season of "Fuck You".
Trump has gained his popularity by telling usual suspects "Fuck You" in a somewhat less belligerent manner.
Ace is telling those who grow too irritating "Fuck You Faggot" in a somewhat more belligerent manner.
And the rest of us are telling the GOP "Fuck You and the whore you rode in on" in every manner we can.
The anger is in almost all of us, and it is spilling over in a lot of areas. There will be collateral damage.
Hopefully when the election is over, the Horde can help each other out and bandage the wounds we inflict on each other and share a round of drinks.
We will hurt each other's feelings a lot in the next few months. But we are going to need each other before long.
I think it's because this particular presidential season is the season of "Fuck You".
Trump has gained his popularity by telling usual suspects "Fuck You" in a somewhat less belligerent manner.
Ace is telling those who grow too irritating "Fuck You Faggot" in a somewhat more belligerent manner.
And the rest of us are telling the GOP "Fuck You and the whore you rode in on" in every manner we can.
The anger is in almost all of us, and it is spilling over in a lot of areas. There will be collateral damage.
Hopefully when the election is over, the Horde can help each other out and bandage the wounds we inflict on each other and share a round of drinks.
We will hurt each other's feelings a lot in the next few months. But we are going to need each other before long.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at October 22, 2015 01:15 PM (4nmNX)
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>>>My fear with Trump is female voters. He would absolutely have to put a female on the ticket.
I dunno. Charming jerkboy alpha would play pretty well against screeching harpy Hillary.
>>>My fear with Trump is female voters. He would absolutely have to put a female on the ticket.
I dunno. Charming jerkboy alpha would play pretty well against screeching harpy Hillary.
Posted by: LibertarianJim at October 22, 2015 01:15 PM (XMDuf)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2015 01:15 PM (qCMvj)
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Gowdy ... Bam! I'm happy. I want moar.
Posted by: Toonces the Cat at October 22, 2015 01:15 PM (e7T6D)
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TallDave, whose voters WILL show up betw Jan and March? Those of the Yeb!, Rubio, or Kasich juggernauts?
Nobody knows. The Trump/Carson/Fiorina phenomenon has no analogue in recent/modern pre-primary history (lumping them together because it's pretty clear that being "outsiders" is the main thing distinguishing them from the pros/regulars).
In any case, all those now recovering on their fainting couches over the fact that Trump is where he is should comfort themselves by discussing who they think will ride to the rescue when the loudmouth tycoon fades away. And share their thoughts, so the rest of us have a safe place in our expectations, too. I mean, it's a deep bench, ought to be plenty of splendid alternatives.
TallDave, whose voters WILL show up betw Jan and March? Those of the Yeb!, Rubio, or Kasich juggernauts?
Nobody knows. The Trump/Carson/Fiorina phenomenon has no analogue in recent/modern pre-primary history (lumping them together because it's pretty clear that being "outsiders" is the main thing distinguishing them from the pros/regulars).
In any case, all those now recovering on their fainting couches over the fact that Trump is where he is should comfort themselves by discussing who they think will ride to the rescue when the loudmouth tycoon fades away. And share their thoughts, so the rest of us have a safe place in our expectations, too. I mean, it's a deep bench, ought to be plenty of splendid alternatives.
Posted by: rhomboid at October 22, 2015 01:15 PM (QDnY+)
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Whew. That was exhausting. I'll bet Hillary! has never wanted a stiff drink more in her life.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 22, 2015 01:16 PM (FsuaD)
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OK, I give up, who is War Hair, Orc, etc.?
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 22, 2015 01:16 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2015 01:16 PM (qCMvj)
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Monsanto also patents its seeds and lines of modified crops, so it can protect its IP thus increasing costs so they... can make money, which is anathema to the left, at least for any corporation other than a tech company.
Posted by: brak at October 22, 2015 01:16 PM (xwPSp)
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I used to think evangelicals weren't so bad. But if the evangelicals vote Carson because he's the black conservative Obama, I don't know what to say. They deserve lots of Somalian immigrants, good and hard.
Posted by: bjk at October 22, 2015 01:16 PM (x2rNW)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2015 01:16 PM (qCMvj)
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Ace really doesn't like Trump, does he?
Posted by: redc1c4 at October 22, 2015 01:17 PM (L3Ewx)
Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 22, 2015 01:17 PM (xq1UY)
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Trump is half right. People in Iowa are retards. But it's not Monsanto that make them so. I think it occurs naturally in the region.
Posted by: Soona at October 22, 2015 01:17 PM (Fmupd)
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Hillary grinning like Cheshire cat while committee members claw each other up.
Is the debate clock running while they do this?
Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 22, 2015 01:15 PM (xq1UY)
I figure she's got that smug smirk on her face because she knows no matter what was said or done here the idiots will still support her and the MFM will defend her
Is the debate clock running while they do this?
Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 22, 2015 01:15 PM (xq1UY)
I figure she's got that smug smirk on her face because she knows no matter what was said or done here the idiots will still support her and the MFM will defend her
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 22, 2015 01:17 PM (493sH)
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And what the Monsanto hating 'tards miss is the fact maize has to be one of the most modified food plants out there. For thousands of years.
Breeding desired traits over time is one thing. Inserting the genes of some phosphorescent, winged animal into corn is something else.
Breeding desired traits over time is one thing. Inserting the genes of some phosphorescent, winged animal into corn is something else.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 22, 2015 01:17 PM (LUgeY)
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And what the Monsanto hating 'tards miss is the fact maize has to be one of the most modified food plants out there. For thousands of years.
It took Monsanto modifying it though to make it so you have to go back to them for your seed corn.
It took Monsanto modifying it though to make it so you have to go back to them for your seed corn.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2015 01:17 PM (Rlakk)
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The Very System I Decry was a sequel to I Have Become What I Beheld.It's by Mamet. They sure talk a lot. Got Capone, though. "He's in the car."
Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 22, 2015 01:11 PM (xq1UY)
They were planning a third film to cap the trilogy, 'It Was Me All Along Only I Had Amnesia And Don't Remember Doing It' but Pacino backed out at the last minute. DeCaprio is said to be interested. Talks are ongoing.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 22, 2015 01:11 PM (xq1UY)
They were planning a third film to cap the trilogy, 'It Was Me All Along Only I Had Amnesia And Don't Remember Doing It' but Pacino backed out at the last minute. DeCaprio is said to be interested. Talks are ongoing.
Posted by: troyriser at October 22, 2015 01:18 PM (cCEFD)
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I have a feeling Gowdy didn't appreciate that last bit. They better hope he's not so pissed that he can't eat lunch.
Posted by: dartist at October 22, 2015 01:18 PM (kDYa9)
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If this sticks, the impact it will have is to help knock a few career politicians out of the race. Carson is not an Establishment guy, so I don't really see how it helps THEM.
Is Iowa a winner-take-all thing, BTW?
Another thing to remember here is that Iowa is said to be a state where you have to spend a lot of time there, and press the flesh, in order to get a great result. It may not be worthwhile for Trump to spend so much time there, since he's not as sensitive to early poor results as others.
Is Iowa a winner-take-all thing, BTW?
Another thing to remember here is that Iowa is said to be a state where you have to spend a lot of time there, and press the flesh, in order to get a great result. It may not be worthwhile for Trump to spend so much time there, since he's not as sensitive to early poor results as others.
Posted by: Optimizer at October 22, 2015 01:18 PM (/q6+P)
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Just curious. Has Iowa ever decided any general election? Nope.
In a quarter of a century they've only picked the winner twice.
I'm wondering why I should give a shit.
In a quarter of a century they've only picked the winner twice.
I'm wondering why I should give a shit.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 22, 2015 01:19 PM (GGCsk)
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We will hurt each other's feelings a lot in the next few months. But we are going to need each other before long.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at October 22, 2015 01:15 PM (4nmNX)
Aye there will be a great deal of rage this coming year. o.o That is why I am enjoying every day as much as possible in advance of the chaos.
Tonight that means making a swedish-meatball styled meatloaf and corn on the cob 0.o with garlic-alfredo baked cavatappi with a crumb topping consisting of parmesan, seasoned bread crumbs, olive oil, butter, and garlic salt, baked 'til golden brown.
After that, gonna start Foundation of Apologetics by Ravi Zacharias. I feel it will be useful knowledge in coming years...
We will hurt each other's feelings a lot in the next few months. But we are going to need each other before long.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at October 22, 2015 01:15 PM (4nmNX)
Aye there will be a great deal of rage this coming year. o.o That is why I am enjoying every day as much as possible in advance of the chaos.
Tonight that means making a swedish-meatball styled meatloaf and corn on the cob 0.o with garlic-alfredo baked cavatappi with a crumb topping consisting of parmesan, seasoned bread crumbs, olive oil, butter, and garlic salt, baked 'til golden brown.
After that, gonna start Foundation of Apologetics by Ravi Zacharias. I feel it will be useful knowledge in coming years...
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at October 22, 2015 01:20 PM (6JL3d)
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"@mygreenhippo #BenCarson is now leading in the #polls in #Iowa. Too much #Monsanto in the #corn creates issues in the brain? #Trump #GOP"
- Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 22, 2015
Monsanto is a major agricorporation. I guess the suggestion is that corporate Montsanto dollars are fueling this...? I'm not sure.
Creeper says he's making some allusion to Montsanto's "chemicals" in their farming methods. That's even worse than the money angle! If that's the case, he's retweeting someone saying that pesticides have made Iowans mentally impaired!
Ace, how can you be so out of the loop on left-wing conspiracy manias?
In recent years, Monsanto has replaced Halliburton as the #1 corporate bete noire of the Left. But (as you might imagine) their loathing of Monsanto is all based on sheer lunacy.
It started like this:
Monsanto, in a bid to increase profit, "bio-engengineered" (i.e. did what farmers have been dong for 5,000 years, selective breeding) strains of corn and wheat and other vegetables which won't readily self-seed -- i.e. the plant will produce edible food as normal, but its ability to self-propagate is diminished. Monsanto did this, admittedly, out of greed, to force farmers and gardeners to buy new seed every year for planting (i.e. buy it from Monsanto) rather than do their own "seed-saving" - -i.e. allowing some plants each year to fully "go to seed," which seeds you can then harvest and use to plant the crop next year.
Fine, OK, if Monsanto wants to do that, and if farmers agree to it because the Monsanto seeds produced such high-yeild crops that the farmers are willing to pay for new seeds each year, then they've created a business model that works for them. Nothing is stopping anyone from avoiding Monsanto seeds if they want to do so, and buying another company's seeds, or saving their own seeds.
But some people (almost all on the left) thought this was somehow "evil" because Monsanto was DICKING AROUND WITH MOTHER NATURE in order to make money. Oooooh!
Then a paranoia began to grow among the unhinged fringes of the left that this "bio-engineered food" was toxic and corrupted one's precious bodily fluids or whatever, and suddenly we're off to the races: every whacko conspiracy theory about food, health, nutrition, diet, and nature was laid at Monsanto's feet, as the company became the catch-all villain for all the eco-left's insanities.
This then percolated throughout the left wide of the spectrum and by now every single leftist or semi-leftist vaguely "knows" that Monsanto "drives people crazy" with evil food DNA etc.
And for some idiotic reason, Trump retweeted a tweet that came from this conspiracy milieu.
- Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 22, 2015
Monsanto is a major agricorporation. I guess the suggestion is that corporate Montsanto dollars are fueling this...? I'm not sure.
Creeper says he's making some allusion to Montsanto's "chemicals" in their farming methods. That's even worse than the money angle! If that's the case, he's retweeting someone saying that pesticides have made Iowans mentally impaired!
Ace, how can you be so out of the loop on left-wing conspiracy manias?
In recent years, Monsanto has replaced Halliburton as the #1 corporate bete noire of the Left. But (as you might imagine) their loathing of Monsanto is all based on sheer lunacy.
It started like this:
Monsanto, in a bid to increase profit, "bio-engengineered" (i.e. did what farmers have been dong for 5,000 years, selective breeding) strains of corn and wheat and other vegetables which won't readily self-seed -- i.e. the plant will produce edible food as normal, but its ability to self-propagate is diminished. Monsanto did this, admittedly, out of greed, to force farmers and gardeners to buy new seed every year for planting (i.e. buy it from Monsanto) rather than do their own "seed-saving" - -i.e. allowing some plants each year to fully "go to seed," which seeds you can then harvest and use to plant the crop next year.
Fine, OK, if Monsanto wants to do that, and if farmers agree to it because the Monsanto seeds produced such high-yeild crops that the farmers are willing to pay for new seeds each year, then they've created a business model that works for them. Nothing is stopping anyone from avoiding Monsanto seeds if they want to do so, and buying another company's seeds, or saving their own seeds.
But some people (almost all on the left) thought this was somehow "evil" because Monsanto was DICKING AROUND WITH MOTHER NATURE in order to make money. Oooooh!
Then a paranoia began to grow among the unhinged fringes of the left that this "bio-engineered food" was toxic and corrupted one's precious bodily fluids or whatever, and suddenly we're off to the races: every whacko conspiracy theory about food, health, nutrition, diet, and nature was laid at Monsanto's feet, as the company became the catch-all villain for all the eco-left's insanities.
This then percolated throughout the left wide of the spectrum and by now every single leftist or semi-leftist vaguely "knows" that Monsanto "drives people crazy" with evil food DNA etc.
And for some idiotic reason, Trump retweeted a tweet that came from this conspiracy milieu.
Posted by: zombie at October 22, 2015 01:20 PM (jBuUi)
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You'd better not snark, you'd better not bark,
You'd better not cry, I'm telling you why,
Monsanto Claus is coming to Iowa.
You'd better not cry, I'm telling you why,
Monsanto Claus is coming to Iowa.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at October 22, 2015 01:21 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2015 01:21 PM (qCMvj)
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Breeding desired traits over time is one thing. Inserting the genes of some phosphorescent, winged animal into corn is something else.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 22, 2015 01:17 PM (LUgeY
So the phrase, when monkeys fly out of my ass, may go someplace?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 22, 2015 01:17 PM (LUgeY
So the phrase, when monkeys fly out of my ass, may go someplace?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 22, 2015 01:21 PM (yddCj)
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Inserting the genes of some phosphorescent, winged animal into corn...
Monsanto Unicorn Chow!
It's got what skittle-shitting unicorns crave!
Monsanto Unicorn Chow!
It's got what skittle-shitting unicorns crave!
Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 22, 2015 01:21 PM (xq1UY)
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310 War Hair and the Orc about to get into it.
My money's on War Hair.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 22, 2015 01:11 PM (FsuaD)
No bet.
War Hair told the Orc that he hadn't even started seeing Blumenthal. Adjourned for lunch.
This is going to be good.
My money's on War Hair.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 22, 2015 01:11 PM (FsuaD)
No bet.
War Hair told the Orc that he hadn't even started seeing Blumenthal. Adjourned for lunch.
This is going to be good.
Posted by: jwb7605 at October 22, 2015 01:22 PM (DofIg)
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Optimizer, no, Iowa is not a winner-take-all caucus.
Posted by: creeper at October 22, 2015 01:23 PM (Hh8cI)
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The basic idea is obviously to associate Iowa with a huge "evil" chemical corporation, so that other voters will take the Iowa results unseriously.
To dig into this with any level of seriousness is to embarrass oneself. It's obviously not deep and meaningful, and it's not MEANT to be.
To dig into this with any level of seriousness is to embarrass oneself. It's obviously not deep and meaningful, and it's not MEANT to be.
Posted by: Optimizer at October 22, 2015 01:23 PM (/q6+P)
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I think it's because this particular presidential season is the season of "Fuck You".
Trump has gained his popularity by telling usual suspects "Fuck You" in a somewhat less belligerent manner.
____________
I agree in part, but my anger is not at Republicans that don't like Trump. Can you see the difference?
I like it when Trump called out Mexico flushing their toilet of illegals into the US.
But Trump saying "Fuck You Iowa" because an early poll of Republican voters puts him in 2nd place? That's not "standing up" for me, that's a very petty, thin skinned man having a hissy fit.
Trump has gained his popularity by telling usual suspects "Fuck You" in a somewhat less belligerent manner.
____________
I agree in part, but my anger is not at Republicans that don't like Trump. Can you see the difference?
I like it when Trump called out Mexico flushing their toilet of illegals into the US.
But Trump saying "Fuck You Iowa" because an early poll of Republican voters puts him in 2nd place? That's not "standing up" for me, that's a very petty, thin skinned man having a hissy fit.
Posted by: Coolio at October 22, 2015 01:24 PM (fefoA)
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So the phrase, when monkeys fly out of my ass, may go someplace?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 22, 2015 01:21 PM (yddCj)
Barry the Butch: You have no idea what can fly into or out of asses.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 22, 2015 01:21 PM (yddCj)
Barry the Butch: You have no idea what can fly into or out of asses.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 22, 2015 01:24 PM (493sH)
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@362
Thanks!
And IIRC, it's some sort of "caucus" thing - some sort of weird thing where you don't have a popular vote, but it's just up to whoever shows up at some sort of local party conventions, or something?
Thanks!
And IIRC, it's some sort of "caucus" thing - some sort of weird thing where you don't have a popular vote, but it's just up to whoever shows up at some sort of local party conventions, or something?
Posted by: Optimizer at October 22, 2015 01:25 PM (/q6+P)
Posted by: DaveA at October 22, 2015 01:26 PM (DL2i+)
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The problem with Iowa is you have fifteen feet of the richest soil in the world and the people there think they are successful cuz they know how to farm. Iowa in a nutshell. It's like having a 4" dick in a 2" world.
Posted by: Lazy Peyton Manning at October 22, 2015 01:26 PM (oDCMR)
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Kinsey,
We done been lied to by the best. We get lied to by Rep candidates that run as conservatives and vote lib after they've been elected. We've had almost 8 years of lead from behind, by TFG who apologizes for everything American.
If it weren't for Trump, we'd be snoozing right now. You want to know who is a die hard Trump supporter? It's my next door neighbor's kid. He's graduated from high school, first job in the industrial plant his dad worked at. He has a Trump sticker and we live in very blue WA state.
Trump is not the best candidate we could have. Grant was not the best general. You use the tool that works
We done been lied to by the best. We get lied to by Rep candidates that run as conservatives and vote lib after they've been elected. We've had almost 8 years of lead from behind, by TFG who apologizes for everything American.
If it weren't for Trump, we'd be snoozing right now. You want to know who is a die hard Trump supporter? It's my next door neighbor's kid. He's graduated from high school, first job in the industrial plant his dad worked at. He has a Trump sticker and we live in very blue WA state.
Trump is not the best candidate we could have. Grant was not the best general. You use the tool that works
Posted by: notsothoreau at October 22, 2015 01:28 PM (5HBd1)
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ratz, I even searched for a prior moron Denehey.
Posted by: DaveA at October 22, 2015 01:28 PM (DL2i+)
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364: "That's not "standing up" for me, that's a very petty, thin skinned man having a hissy fit."
You are correct. However, I don't think anyone actually supports Trump the man, or the candidate.
I don't believe, and I don't think there are many who do believe, that Trump is standing up for me or my ideals.
He is merely my Fuck You to the GOP. Sometimes, such a weapon can become indiscriminate in it's deployment.
He is not a savior or a redeemer. He is Gozer the Destroyer. And that is all many of us want him to be.
You are correct. However, I don't think anyone actually supports Trump the man, or the candidate.
I don't believe, and I don't think there are many who do believe, that Trump is standing up for me or my ideals.
He is merely my Fuck You to the GOP. Sometimes, such a weapon can become indiscriminate in it's deployment.
He is not a savior or a redeemer. He is Gozer the Destroyer. And that is all many of us want him to be.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at October 22, 2015 01:29 PM (4nmNX)
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Posted by: zombie at October 22, 2015 01:20 PM (jBuUi)
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Bullseye.
Twang!....zzzztttt....>>>-------->0 Thunk!
Bullseye.
Posted by: creeper at October 22, 2015 01:30 PM (Hh8cI)
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Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 22, 2015 01:03 PM (kXoT0)
I know....that was a bit of humor.
So....you don't think I'm funny?
Join the club.
I know....that was a bit of humor.
So....you don't think I'm funny?
Join the club.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 22, 2015 01:31 PM (Zu3d9)
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He is merely my Fuck You to the GOP. Sometimes, such a weapon can become indiscriminate in it's deployment.
He is not a savior or a redeemer. He is Gozer the Destroyer. And that is all many of us want him to be.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at October 22, 2015 01:29 PM (4nmNX)
This is the much more direct Spartan version of my rambling above, and I agree wholeheartedly. Trump is a knife being wielded by an angry electorate against the all-too-comfortable corruptocrats in D.C.
That's fine for what it is, folks, but let's not mistake it as anything more than that.
He is merely my Fuck You to the GOP. Sometimes, such a weapon can become indiscriminate in it's deployment.
He is not a savior or a redeemer. He is Gozer the Destroyer. And that is all many of us want him to be.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at October 22, 2015 01:29 PM (4nmNX)
This is the much more direct Spartan version of my rambling above, and I agree wholeheartedly. Trump is a knife being wielded by an angry electorate against the all-too-comfortable corruptocrats in D.C.
That's fine for what it is, folks, but let's not mistake it as anything more than that.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at October 22, 2015 01:31 PM (6JL3d)
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{limps away}
Posted by: creeper at October 22, 2015 01:32 PM (Hh8cI)
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Trump is not the best candidate we could have. Grant was not the best general. You use the tool that works
Posted by: notsothoreau at October 22, 2015 01:28 PM (5HBd1)
I do not disagree that he is effective in what he is doing. All I am saying is that, while we're all fired up, let us not forget that he, too, is a corruptible human being, with more than a few twists and turns in his political leanings over the course of his life. We must be as wary of Trump as of the other candidates.
Trump is not the best candidate we could have. Grant was not the best general. You use the tool that works
Posted by: notsothoreau at October 22, 2015 01:28 PM (5HBd1)
I do not disagree that he is effective in what he is doing. All I am saying is that, while we're all fired up, let us not forget that he, too, is a corruptible human being, with more than a few twists and turns in his political leanings over the course of his life. We must be as wary of Trump as of the other candidates.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at October 22, 2015 01:33 PM (6JL3d)
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"New Banning Policy: Stop with the Personal Attacks Based on Nothing More Than Disagreement With Someone's Position, or Your Ass Will be Permanently Banned"
"stop being a fucking faggit. We're allowed to talk about Lord God King Trump in a less than reverential manner."
One of these things is not like the other. One of these things just doesn't belong...
"stop being a fucking faggit. We're allowed to talk about Lord God King Trump in a less than reverential manner."
One of these things is not like the other. One of these things just doesn't belong...
Posted by: Foul Harold at October 22, 2015 01:37 PM (FGvan)
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Breeding desired traits over time is one thing. Inserting the genes of some phosphorescent, winged animal into corn is something else.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 22, 2015 01:17 PM (LUgeY)
_________
Okay, I'm laughing because my kitchen is yellow and red and I asked my kids for various tin 'DeKalb' tin markers for decoration. The winged yellow corncob is absolutely the coolest. Wonder if The Simpsons had that in mind for their curtains.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 22, 2015 01:17 PM (LUgeY)
_________
Okay, I'm laughing because my kitchen is yellow and red and I asked my kids for various tin 'DeKalb' tin markers for decoration. The winged yellow corncob is absolutely the coolest. Wonder if The Simpsons had that in mind for their curtains.
Posted by: mustbequantum at October 22, 2015 01:38 PM (MIKMs)
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Carson has been rising lately. If he doesn't falter, things will get more interesting.
If he falters, which candidates pick up his votes?
The answer to that makes things even more interesting.
I'm guessing most of his votes would gravitate to Trump and Cruz, with some to Huck.
If he falters, which candidates pick up his votes?
The answer to that makes things even more interesting.
I'm guessing most of his votes would gravitate to Trump and Cruz, with some to Huck.
Posted by: Meremortal at October 22, 2015 01:44 PM (3myMJ)
380
but does anyone else have a problem with the fact that Ben Carson stabbed a guy when he was a teenager?
let he who did not stab someone as a teenager throw the first stone, ya pussy.
let he who did not stab someone as a teenager throw the first stone, ya pussy.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 22, 2015 01:48 PM (evdj2)
381
Nobody got killed in Bengazi on my watch.
Posted by: John fukin Kerry, who served in viet nam at October 22, 2015 01:49 PM (Z6ne8)
382
One of these things is not like the other. One of these things just doesn't belong...
One of these guys owns the site and graciously lets you comment.
One of these guys owns the site and graciously lets you comment.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 22, 2015 01:49 PM (evdj2)
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"And stop picking on Trump."
I'll pick on the 9/11 Truther as much as I want.
I'll pick on the "Bush lied, people died" theorist all I want.
I'll pick on the Anti-Vaxxer ("vaccines cause autism") all I want.
I'll pick on Mr."when I was pushing single-payer healthcare it was what was right for America then, but not now" all I want.
I'll pick on Mr. "Even though I specifically compared Afghanistan with Iraq when I said that going into Afghanistan was a mistake, the next day I decided that I thought the question was about Iraq. Because going into Afghanistan was right because it's next to Pakistan, which has nuclear weapons." all I want.
I'll pick on the 9/11 Truther as much as I want.
I'll pick on the "Bush lied, people died" theorist all I want.
I'll pick on the Anti-Vaxxer ("vaccines cause autism") all I want.
I'll pick on Mr."when I was pushing single-payer healthcare it was what was right for America then, but not now" all I want.
I'll pick on Mr. "Even though I specifically compared Afghanistan with Iraq when I said that going into Afghanistan was a mistake, the next day I decided that I thought the question was about Iraq. Because going into Afghanistan was right because it's next to Pakistan, which has nuclear weapons." all I want.
Posted by: Tyrconnell at October 22, 2015 01:51 PM (jeKFO)
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People are still getting used to the fact that Trump is a smart-ass, not a politician.
These tweets are just throwaway playground taunts by him. They aren't policy, nor given to him by advisers.
He doesn't give a shit about politicking as we know and hate it. If that undoes him, so be it.
These tweets are just throwaway playground taunts by him. They aren't policy, nor given to him by advisers.
He doesn't give a shit about politicking as we know and hate it. If that undoes him, so be it.
Posted by: Meremortal at October 22, 2015 01:51 PM (3myMJ)
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One of these guys owns the site and graciously lets you comment.
You know, I apologize for that. Ace can fight his own battles.
It just bugs me when people complain about the owner, on the very platform he provides you free of charge.
You know, I apologize for that. Ace can fight his own battles.
It just bugs me when people complain about the owner, on the very platform he provides you free of charge.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 22, 2015 01:54 PM (evdj2)
386
Ace finally has found a meaningful poll.
Posted by: alanstern at October 22, 2015 01:55 PM (BuL0K)
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Carson is laughing all the way to the bank.
Posted by: MacGruber at October 22, 2015 02:27 PM (C278+)
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Zombie, there are other beefs with Monsanto than just the anti-GMO hysteria of the left.
They've been very lawsuit happy towards farmers that didn't buy their corn, but did end up with some of it in their field because they were next to a farmer planting Monsanto's seed or other innocuous reasons.
The aggressive use of their patents to extract payment from those farmers created a lot of antipathy towards them.
They've been very lawsuit happy towards farmers that didn't buy their corn, but did end up with some of it in their field because they were next to a farmer planting Monsanto's seed or other innocuous reasons.
The aggressive use of their patents to extract payment from those farmers created a lot of antipathy towards them.
Posted by: Sjg at October 22, 2015 02:37 PM (gDSJf)
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I LOVE his tweet! Good for him. Those damn Iowans can go to hell, and my granny was born and raised on a farm there.
Posted by: Bonnie Blue at October 22, 2015 02:37 PM (ZXK8H)
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I don't want the Establishment. I don't want Jeb!.
But I don't want Trump, either...
I don't know what I want. But I know I don't want either of those.
I don't want the Establishment. I don't want Jeb!.
But I don't want Trump, either...
I don't know what I want. But I know I don't want either of those.
Posted by: Haiku Guy at October 22, 2015 03:59 PM (hmj8n)
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"I don't want the Establishment. I don't want Jeb!.
But I don't want Trump, either...
I don't know what I want. But I know I don't want either of those."
Unless you're going to run, those are the options on offer. Really, just about any nominee other than Trump will be Lazio'd in the general, especially Ben Carson.
But I don't want Trump, either...
I don't know what I want. But I know I don't want either of those."
Unless you're going to run, those are the options on offer. Really, just about any nominee other than Trump will be Lazio'd in the general, especially Ben Carson.
Posted by: Schaeffer at October 22, 2015 04:50 PM (zgqZg)
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Carson has been rising lately. If he doesn't falter, things will get more interesting.
His views on immigation are awful. Trump only needs to highlight this, and Carson will go the way of the other "outsider", Fiorina.
His views on immigation are awful. Trump only needs to highlight this, and Carson will go the way of the other "outsider", Fiorina.
Posted by: Schaeffer at October 22, 2015 04:52 PM (zgqZg)
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Lest we forget:
Winner of Iowa 2008: Huckabee +9
Final Nominee: John McCain
Winner of Iowa 2012: Santorum / Romney
Final Nominee: Romney
Source: RCP
Winner of Iowa 2008: Huckabee +9
Final Nominee: John McCain
Winner of Iowa 2012: Santorum / Romney
Final Nominee: Romney
Source: RCP
Posted by: slouchingtowardsbethlehem at October 22, 2015 05:56 PM (g3l2y)
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@183 and @264
I had to run earlier.
Just for starters, I and other Trump supporters owe you nothing. We don't have to explain our support one way or the other.
Just as Trump has millions of supporters, there are a million unique reasons that individual have for supporting him. Our reasons seem to overlap though which is helpful in knowing that millions think and want the same things I do.
Why don't you ask these questions about the other candidates? You have a chip on your shoulder about Trump. You don't get it. We understand that you don't get it. No matter how many times I see Trump supporters eloquently answer these types of questions, it is never enough. The answers won't give you any satisfaction because you don't get it.
Just a tip for you next inquisition, don't start off by imparting your impressions on to us.
"I do not put my trust in human leaders, because I know, without question, that they are all flawed human beings, and must be monitored as much as any one of us would need to be, were we put in positions of power. "
Uh duh. Why do you assume we are drooling idiots? Tell me what candidate is not a flawed human? Not one supporter of Trump's have I ever heard discount his well known flaws. Any vote for any candidate is always a risk.
"You must take the bad with the good, objectively, with any human being you meet; you must acknowledge, fairly, their strengths and weaknesses, their virtues and their vices."
Again, duh. We've done that. We've individually run Trump through our own personal filters and have found him personally worth supporting. See that won't answer your questions.
I could explain it a million times but you would not accept the reasons because you don't care for Trump. You belie your true opinion of Trump by your very questions.
@183 and @264
I had to run earlier.
Just for starters, I and other Trump supporters owe you nothing. We don't have to explain our support one way or the other.
Just as Trump has millions of supporters, there are a million unique reasons that individual have for supporting him. Our reasons seem to overlap though which is helpful in knowing that millions think and want the same things I do.
Why don't you ask these questions about the other candidates? You have a chip on your shoulder about Trump. You don't get it. We understand that you don't get it. No matter how many times I see Trump supporters eloquently answer these types of questions, it is never enough. The answers won't give you any satisfaction because you don't get it.
Just a tip for you next inquisition, don't start off by imparting your impressions on to us.
"I do not put my trust in human leaders, because I know, without question, that they are all flawed human beings, and must be monitored as much as any one of us would need to be, were we put in positions of power. "
Uh duh. Why do you assume we are drooling idiots? Tell me what candidate is not a flawed human? Not one supporter of Trump's have I ever heard discount his well known flaws. Any vote for any candidate is always a risk.
"You must take the bad with the good, objectively, with any human being you meet; you must acknowledge, fairly, their strengths and weaknesses, their virtues and their vices."
Again, duh. We've done that. We've individually run Trump through our own personal filters and have found him personally worth supporting. See that won't answer your questions.
I could explain it a million times but you would not accept the reasons because you don't care for Trump. You belie your true opinion of Trump by your very questions.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at October 22, 2015 06:54 PM (wC9P/)
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{Really?}Update: Trump says it was a "young intern" who retweeted that.
~~~
I thought TheDonald only hired "Great" people.
BYW, has he named his National Security Team, yet?
~~~
I thought TheDonald only hired "Great" people.
BYW, has he named his National Security Team, yet?
Posted by: socalcon at October 22, 2015 06:57 PM (vHlQ5)
396
Whose ace's candidate? Deez Nutz?
Posted by: AuH2O at October 22, 2015 07:16 PM (Eu2xj)
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Hey guys, did you hear Trump isn't a real conservative? Once word gets out he'll be finished.
Posted by: AuH2O at October 22, 2015 07:19 PM (Eu2xj)
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"Item two: Donald Trump's worth a lot of money, but he's been bankrupt more than once in his life, and this is a country to run, not a business. "
See this is a straight up lie. You have an agenda and are not dealing in facts.
He had 4 businesses out of 100 businesses that went into bankruptcy. That is a far cry from "he's been bankrupt more than once in his life."
TRUMP HAS NEVER BEEN BANKRUPT IN HIS ENTIRE LIFE.
4 companies out of 100 companies had trouble. That's a 96% business success rate.
You are disingenuous just like I correctly predicted.
See this is a straight up lie. You have an agenda and are not dealing in facts.
He had 4 businesses out of 100 businesses that went into bankruptcy. That is a far cry from "he's been bankrupt more than once in his life."
TRUMP HAS NEVER BEEN BANKRUPT IN HIS ENTIRE LIFE.
4 companies out of 100 companies had trouble. That's a 96% business success rate.
You are disingenuous just like I correctly predicted.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at October 22, 2015 07:57 PM (wC9P/)
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