The Debate Upshot: The Democrat Party is Now Openly Socialist

I disagree with him on three points:

I don't think Hillary appeared particularly well-informed or polished. She appeared well-informed and polished compared to Lincoln Chafee, who seems to be a mental defective.

But her answers were all either canned stuff barely responsive to the questions, or incoherence. For example, she tried to explain away here 2003 Iraq belligerency by saying she had made a mistake and had evolved... and now takes the belligerent side of the issue on Libya and Syria. "Look, I learned my lesson on Iraq -- that's why I want a no-fly zone challenging Russian jets in Syria, ASAP."

I could see why people on the left like Bernie Sanders. Unlike Hillary Clinton, he seems to actually listen to questions and he attempts to respond to them. He appears sort of vaguely human.

One surprise to me is just how weak and fake Martin O'Malley is. Martin O'Malley had twenty memorized answers, and he was determined to offer them whether they were responsive to questions or not. Given that they were pre-memorized canned statements, you'd think they might be good, if non-responsive. In fact they were all forgettable.

I expect Jim Webb to move into 3rd place based on the fact that he was chasing an small, but completely ignored, demographic in the Democrat party -- the white non-gentry liberal vote. Most whites in the Democrat party are gentry liberals, but not all of them. They finally heard from someone who might make sense to them.

That doesn't mean I think Jim Webb will catch fire or win the nomination. But I think he'll get that 5% of the Democrat Party that isn't socialist or identity-politics fixated.

Anderson Cooper was a terrible moderator, adding nothing at all to the debate except interruptions. His principle role seemed to be insisting that a candidate shut up so that Hillary Clinton could respond to a mention of her.

He also protected her from the no-win Kobyashi Maru "do all lives matter" question -- Bernie Sanders was forced to take a position here, whether all lives matter, or only black lives matter. Because he took the previous position earlier and has been stage-rushed by #BLM activists ever since, this time he tried to mend fences and he said that only Black Lives Matter.

That would obviously be a soundbite that could hurt him badly in the general with people who are not black but who have this crazy idea that their lives matter, too.

Anderson Cooper not only didn't make Hillary answer that question, he actually changed the question's wording when he came to her so that she didn't even have to avoid the no-win scenario -- he turned off the no-win scenario just for Queen Hillary.

Bernie Sanders protected Hillary from her email problems, too. It's questionable, as Drew said, whether he actually is running for president either.

As Dave from Texas said, it felt like a beauty pageant in which everyone on the stage, including the judges, seemed to want to put the tiara on just one princess's head.

The entire Democrat field, and CNN, is determined that Hillary is The New One, and this is all a bit of a kabuki and all a bit of a coronation.

Jim Webb: My Enemies are the Enemies of the United States. Jim Webb's answer about which "enemy" he was the proudest to have made was interesting -- he named an actual enemy, not a mere political rival.

And he killed the enemy in question.

The feminized men of the left are all aghast at this. For example:

Re-upping @JimWebbUSA's creepy smirk when describing enemy soldier apparently killed after targeting him. https://t.co/Tg53JewlPe
— Kenneth P. Vogel (@kenvogel) October 14, 2015

Read The Federalist to hear why Jim Webb is proud about making this enemy.

The President of the United States of America takes pleasure in presenting the Navy Cross to First Lieutenant James H. Webb, Jr. (MCSN: 0-106180), United States Marine Corps, for extraordinary heroism while serving as a Platoon Commander with Company D, First Battalion, Fifth Marines, FIRST Marine Division (Reinforced), Fleet Marine Force, in connection with combat operations against the enemy in the Republic of Vietnam.
On 10 July 1969, while participating in a company-sized search and destroy operation deep in hostile territory, First Lieutenant Webb’s platoon discovered a well-camouflaged bunker complex which appeared to be unoccupied. Deploying his men into defensive positions, First Lieutenant Webb was advancing to the first bunker when three enemy soldiers armed with hand grenades jumped out. Reacting instantly, he grabbed the closest man and, brandishing his .45 caliber pistol at the others, apprehended all three of the soldiers. Accompanied by one of his men, he then approached the second bunker and called for the enemy to surrender. When the hostile soldiers failed to answer him and threw a grenade which detonated dangerously close to him, First Lieutenant Webb detonated a claymore mine in the bunker aperture, accounting for two enemy casualties and disclosing the entrance to a tunnel.
Despite the smoke and debris from the explosion and the possibility of enemy soldiers hiding in the tunnel, he then conducted a thorough search which yielded several items of equipment and numerous documents containing valuable intelligence data.
Continuing the assault, he approached a third bunker and was preparing to fire into it when the enemy threw another grenade. Observing the grenade land dangerously close to his companion, First Lieutenant Webb simultaneously fired his weapon at the enemy, pushed the Marine away from the grenade, and shielded him from the explosion with his own body. Although sustaining painful fragmentation wounds from the explosion, he managed to throw a grenade into the aperture and completely destroy the remaining bunker. By his courage, aggressive leadership, and selfless devotion to duty, First Lieutenant Webb upheld the highest traditions of the Marine Corps and of the United States Naval Service.

So this is creepy. But meanwhile, Bernie Sanders, who was a conscientious objector during Vietnam but who now says "I'm no pacifist" -- meaning he lied when he got his conscientious objector status, or he's lying now -- is just swell.

Posted by: Ace at 12:12 PM

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1 First? I guess I should share it with the rest of you comrades?

Posted by: Rachel Corrie at October 14, 2015 12:13 PM (WDySP)

2 Off flattened sock

Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at October 14, 2015 12:14 PM (WDySP)

3 I'm seeing the press cheered over the email thing. I hope these people burn in hell.

Lincoln Chafee has a face out of a horror movie.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 14, 2015 12:14 PM (4ErVI)

4 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 14, 2015 12:15 PM (kff5f)

5 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 14, 2015 12:15 PM (kff5f)

6 The drones will die to protect the Queen.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at October 14, 2015 12:16 PM (RD7QR)

7 Hillary is ever man's mother-in-law. Every man's ex-wife. I still don't believe she will be the nominee. I'm actually not sure she won't be under indictment by this time next year.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at October 14, 2015 12:16 PM (evdj2)

8 We were all proud of Senitor sanders last night, so proud. He will be a grate Presdent and can carry on all the good things Presdent Obalama has statrted and all those things that Bush created to be ended. We love you as much as our Presdent of Color.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at October 14, 2015 12:16 PM (EIFYf)

9 Remember when the entire democrat party was swearing up and down that Obama wasn't a socialist and only insane right wingers watching Fox News all day thought that.

Get ready for the 180 degree mental pivot without any acknowledgment "of course they are socialist police and firefighters are a socialist policy! What you don't like firefighters?" And my personal favorite "you don't even know what a socialist is"

Posted by: SomeSay the Strawmarian at October 14, 2015 12:16 PM (GtHrM)

10 I do think its funny (not funny "ha ha") that every Democrat alive seems to want to shield Hillary! from the very reasonable repercussions she should be facing due to effectively feeding classified information directly to the Russians and Chinese for 4 years.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 14, 2015 12:17 PM (kff5f)

11 Ace

You're not enamored with my former Governor, Mr. O'Malley?

Every bit of his brilliance and intellect as Governor was on display during last night's event?

Posted by: Planned Parenthood. Parts wholesalers at October 14, 2015 12:18 PM (VPLuQ)

12 The Debate Upshot: The Democrat Party is Now Openly Socialist

And once again, Romney was prescient. At least 47% of this country is composed of worthless parasites who add nothing of value to the body politic.

The fucker might have won the election if he stood by that like a man instead of folding like a gutless coward.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 14, 2015 12:18 PM (X6fMO)

13 I'm actually not sure she won't be under indictment by this time next year.

Female democratum is almost as strong and slippery a substance as black democratum.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 14, 2015 12:18 PM (kff5f)

14 A socialist President?.... I am depressed.... Wait We already have one...

Posted by: donna at October 14, 2015 12:18 PM (/dSsq)

15 LOVED Geraghty's description of Bernie Sanders. The loud-mouthed idiot at the party, shoving his finger in your chest, while yelling and spewing spittle in your face, as you try to disengage and escape.

Also, the description of the crowd in the Wynn -- barking seals.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 14, 2015 12:18 PM (FsuaD)

16 Shit!

Be off, you unholy sock

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 14, 2015 12:18 PM (VPLuQ)

17 Get ready for the 180 degree mental pivot without any acknowledgment "of course they are socialist police and firefighters are a socialist policy! What you don't like firefighters?" And my personal favorite "you don't even know what a socialist is"
Posted by: SomeSay the Strawmarian at October 14, 2015 12:16 PM (GtHrM)

"Socialist" in 2016 will be what "Obama" was in 2008: Whatever will make you vote for the Democrats. Total blank slate.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at October 14, 2015 12:19 PM (RD7QR)

18 LiFB

Posted by: Grump928(c) clutches the firey future to his breast at October 14, 2015 12:19 PM (evdj2)

19
I made the point in the last thread and Ill repeat it here.

John F Kennedy could not be a Democrat in todays party. He would be labeled a right-wing Republican if he spouted the same issues today he spouted in the 60's.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 14, 2015 12:19 PM (8XRCm)

20 Is kabuki anything like bukakke?

*crickets*

I'll get my coat.

Posted by: blergh at October 14, 2015 12:19 PM (JVEmw)

21 Mary is either posting from a mobile or she missed her lithium treatment.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 14, 2015 12:19 PM (4ErVI)

22
I'm gonna win this thing like a boss!!

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at October 14, 2015 12:20 PM (HSmrB)

23 I admit to a lack of interest in Democratic debates. I was only able to watch about 15 minutes before I lost my voice from screaming at the screen.

Posted by: goon at October 14, 2015 12:20 PM (gy5kE)

24 And once again, Romney was prescient. At least 47% of this country is composed of worthless parasites who add nothing of value to the body politic.

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Well.... thats odd.

Thats almost the EXACT same percentage of people that pay NO federal income tax.

Hmmmmm.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 14, 2015 12:20 PM (8XRCm)

25 Curt Schilling is stirring up trouble again. When asked who he thought was winning the Donk debate, he replied, "ISIS."

Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 14, 2015 12:20 PM (XUKZU)

26
You know who won last night's Democrat debate?

Donald Trump.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 14, 2015 12:20 PM (Fv3UZ)

27 only caught bits on Fox news or business this morning. I'd sooner do root canal again than listen to that bunch.
Sanders, barking that people are sick of hearing about Hillary!'s email server, is obviously bucking for a job in the Hillary admin, maybe secretary of the department of debt and damnation.

Posted by: mallfly at October 14, 2015 12:20 PM (qSIlh)

28 And that cackle! I don't think I could take listening to that cackle for 4/8 years...

Posted by: donna at October 14, 2015 12:20 PM (/dSsq)

29 "ohn F Kennedy could not be a Democrat in todays party. He would"

That's the guy who was injured several times in Viet Nam, right?

Posted by: LIV at October 14, 2015 12:21 PM (VPLuQ)

30 he replied, "ISIS."

Nice.

Posted by: Grump928(c) clutches the firey future to his breast at October 14, 2015 12:21 PM (evdj2)

31 Female democratum is almost as strong and slippery a substance as black democratum.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 14, 2015 12:18 PM (kff5f)

Yep, but, we have a Black man and at least two Black women vigorously sticking stuff all over Hillary! If Bobo, Mooch, and ValJar want her to go under, she will.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 14, 2015 12:21 PM (kXoT0)

32 John f Kennedy would be a crazy reich winger who was scared of the boogie man Soviet Union and who wanted to be a war monger and go to war with Iran.

Also he would be a tax cutting tea party member

BUT YET ITS ONLY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT HAS MOVED RIGHT

Posted by: SomeSay the Strawmarian at October 14, 2015 12:21 PM (GtHrM)

33 Kudos to anyone who watched the Commiefest last night. You have far more intestinal fortitude than I.

Besides I had to, ah, I had to reprimer the jeep. That's it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 14, 2015 12:21 PM (LUgeY)

34 Curt Schilling is stirring up trouble again. When asked who he thought was winning the Donk debate, he replied, "ISIS."

And

You know who won last night's Democrat debate?

Donald Trump.

I don't think either of these is wrong.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 14, 2015 12:21 PM (kff5f)

35 25 Curt Schilling is stirring up trouble again. When asked who he thought was winning the Donk debate, he replied, "ISIS."
Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 14, 2015 12:20 PM (XUKZU)

He's not wrong.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 14, 2015 12:21 PM (2Ojst)

36 28 And that cackle! I don't think I could take listening to that cackle for 4/8 years...
Posted by: donna at October 14, 2015 12:20 PM (/dSsq)

I'll get you missy, and your little dog too! {Cackle cackle cackle}

Posted by: Your Next POTUS! at October 14, 2015 12:22 PM (RD7QR)

37 I had to, ah, I had to reprimer the jeep

Is that what the kids are calling it these days?

Posted by: Grump928(c) clutches the firey future to his breast at October 14, 2015 12:22 PM (evdj2)

38 One of them last night said something to the effect that this is the worst economy since the 1920s--and no one disagreed.

Posted by: Zombie JFK at October 14, 2015 12:22 PM (mcm0N)

39 Hillary came off well (a comparative term for sure) and did what she needed to do. She actually looked like she could potentially debate. But in the long run, I think these debates and the Dem Primary in general will hurt her because she will have faced no real competition and will have faced no real test. The GOP nominee will likely have gone through a grueling primary and be ready to rumble.

Posted by: SH at October 14, 2015 12:22 PM (gmeXX)

40 Sanders: All we hear about is Hillary's email problems. Email email email email email. Email email . . .
Hillary: . . . thanks . . .
S: Email she-mail. We need to stop talking about her email problems. All we hear is email email email . . .
H: Stop, please.
S: I'm trying to help you! Email email email . . . all the press wants to talk about is your email. We should talk about something else, not you email email email . . .
H: Again, not helping . . .
S: Email. :-)

Posted by: starboardhelm at October 14, 2015 12:22 PM (hOtJL)

41 Democrats aren't even aware of the fact the FBI is already investigating Hillary.

Democrats think they're voting for the First Uterus but really it's just going to be Four More Years of Clinton scandals.

Posted by: MTF at October 14, 2015 12:22 PM (LISuA)

42 32 John f Kennedy would be a crazy reich winger who was scared of the boogie man Soviet Union and who wanted to be a war monger and go to war with Iran.

Also he would be a tax cutting tea party member

BUT YET ITS ONLY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT HAS MOVED RIGHT
Posted by: SomeSay the Strawmarian at October 14, 2015 12:21 PM (GtHrM)

Both parties have moved leftward, it's just that the Democrat party went further and faster.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 14, 2015 12:22 PM (2Ojst)

43
Democrats are more than openly gay for socialism; they are openly post-USA socialists.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 14, 2015 12:22 PM (Fv3UZ)

44 Get ready for the 180 degree mental pivot without any acknowledgment "of course they are socialist police and firefighters are a socialist policy! What you don't like firefighters?" And my personal favorite "you don't even know what a socialist is"
Posted by: SomeSay the Strawmarian at October 14, 2015 12:16 PM (GtHrM)

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No.... providing for the public safety is a proper and genuine activity for the governement to undertake.

Taking wealth from some people to give it to other people so the other people will support your party is not.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 14, 2015 12:23 PM (8XRCm)

45 Well this is a good thing. The Beast loses to ANYBODY else on the other side. She is a leper.

Posted by: maddogg at October 14, 2015 12:23 PM (xWW96)

46 The hell more than 10 people vote for these clueless traitors I will never understand. If you've lived in this country for greater than 10 minutes you ought to have gained enough insight and common sense to realize the democrats hate America and they need to be destroyed, not voted for.

Posted by: Eli Cash at October 14, 2015 12:23 PM (DYXm0)

47 38 One of them last night said something to the effect that this is the worst economy since the 1920s--and no one disagreed.

Yes and it was all Bush's fault because obama ... inherited it....

Posted by: donna at October 14, 2015 12:23 PM (/dSsq)

48 I'm betting Bernie smells of mothballs and cat pee.

Just a wild guess.

Hell, Hillary! probably does, too.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 14, 2015 12:23 PM (FsuaD)

49 I actually thought HRC's best moment was the emphatic NO she gave when asked to respond to Chaffe.

Posted by: SH at October 14, 2015 12:23 PM (gmeXX)

50 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at October 14, 2015 12:24 PM (GwIKd)

51 24 And once again, Romney was prescient. At least 47% of this country is composed of worthless parasites who add nothing of value to the body politic.

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Well.... thats odd.

Thats almost the EXACT same percentage of people that pay NO federal income tax.

Hmmmmm.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 14, 2015 12:20 PM (8XRCm)

That was 4 years ago.... its now most probably north of 50% after O'care kicked in...

Posted by: BB Wolf at October 14, 2015 12:24 PM (qh617)

52 49 I actually thought HRC's best moment was the emphatic NO she gave when asked to respond to Chaffe.
Posted by: SH at October 14, 2015 12:23 PM (gmeXX)

Well, nobody else does either so it's a low bar.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at October 14, 2015 12:25 PM (RD7QR)

53 Who was the top bidder for votes in the Democrat's auction last night? I didn't watch because I can't stand seeing Liberals buy progressives' votes using my tax dollars.

Posted by: starboardhelm at October 14, 2015 12:25 PM (hOtJL)

54 No.... providing for the public safety is a proper and genuine activity for the governement to undertake.

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Is it? At least with respect to the federal government?

Posted by: SH at October 14, 2015 12:25 PM (gmeXX)

55

I think Bernie Sanders probably smells like soup.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 14, 2015 12:25 PM (Fv3UZ)

56 So, calling Choom Boy a socialist used to be a lie and an insult.

Now it's a badge of honor.

Alrighty, then.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 14, 2015 12:25 PM (FsuaD)

57 I'm also the guy that wrote While Englans Slept.

Posted by: Zombie JFK at October 14, 2015 12:25 PM (mcm0N)

58 I had bailed out of the debate, but ace's twitter snark about Webb made me look up what happened.

http://wapo.st/1K8IRaN

Genuine. Bad. Ass.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at October 14, 2015 12:25 PM (JtwS4)

59 Serious question: how would you explain to a kid the difference between socialism and communism?

Posted by: @votermom at October 14, 2015 12:26 PM (cbfNE)

60 I think Bernie Sanders probably smells like soup.

Polident.

Posted by: Grump928(c) clutches the firey future to his breast at October 14, 2015 12:26 PM (evdj2)

61 Both parties have moved leftward, it's just that the Democrat party went further and faster.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 14, 2015 12:22 PM (2Ojst)

Not by much. Like I've said, the GOPe offers the choice of walking toward socialism, while the Dems run to it. Only a difference in pace.

Posted by: maddogg at October 14, 2015 12:26 PM (xWW96)

62 While *England * Slept

Posted by: Zombie JFK at October 14, 2015 12:26 PM (mcm0N)

63 So, what I'm hearing is that Jim Webb (actual decorated war veteran? Running as a Democrat?) is more conservative than Jeb Bush.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 14, 2015 12:26 PM (kff5f)

64 45 Well this is a good thing. The Beast loses to ANYBODY else on the other side. She is a leper.
Posted by: maddogg at October 14, 2015 12:23 PM (xWW96)

Once the media decides that it's okay to rally around The Wicked Witch of Arkansas they will begin nonstop advertising for her. That can overcome even her drawbacks.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at October 14, 2015 12:26 PM (RD7QR)

65 One of them last night said something to the effect that this is the worst economy since the 1920s--and no one disagreed.

The roaring 20's? The Stock Market crash everyone knows about happened in Oct 1929.

I wish our economy was as good as the 20's. It was structurally unsound, but it was mostly free. Now we've got an economy that's not only structurally unsound, we're setting explosive charges on its foundations.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 14, 2015 12:27 PM (jhqr1)

66 next year, "socialist" will mean "we just want the super rich to pay their fair share so ALL Americans can have a chance to achieve the American Dream", but you know their idea of the American Dream bears no resemblance to what most Americans want for themselves and their families.

Posted by: mallfly at October 14, 2015 12:27 PM (qSIlh)

67 Serious question: how would you explain to a kid the difference between socialism and communism?

Communism is socialism realized. Or Real Socialism, if you prefer.

Posted by: Grump928(c) clutches the firey future to his breast at October 14, 2015 12:27 PM (evdj2)

68 These socialist morons sit on the stage and decry what an awful and unfair economy we have while pretending not to know who in the fcuk has been president for 7 long unholy years?!! Good grief these people.

Posted by: Eli Cash at October 14, 2015 12:27 PM (DYXm0)

69 38 One of them last night said something to the effect that this is the worst economy since the 1920s--and no one disagreed.

Saw that. The allusion, of course, is that PIAPS will be their new Saint FDR.

Shattering dullness.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at October 14, 2015 12:27 PM (o8n43)

70 Go Curt.

Fuck ESPN.

Posted by: Mr. Healthy Penis at October 14, 2015 12:27 PM (LYCUN)

71 Socialism is Communism lite.

Posted by: maddogg at October 14, 2015 12:28 PM (xWW96)

72 59 Serious question: how would you explain to a kid the difference between socialism and communism?
Posted by: @votermom at October 14, 2015 12:26 PM (cbfNE)

Communists want to take away everything you have, and use a gun to do it.

Socialists also want to take away everything you have, they just don't want to use guns.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at October 14, 2015 12:28 PM (RD7QR)

73 Has anyone seen the ratings yet? Kind of odd I haven't seen it. Must have been low.

Posted by: Eli Cash at October 14, 2015 12:28 PM (DYXm0)

74
Onion soup and Pollident and Marxism.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 14, 2015 12:28 PM (Fv3UZ)

75 When asked who the biggest enemy was Hillary! replied "Republicans."

Posted by: donna at October 14, 2015 12:28 PM (/dSsq)

76 Not by much. Like I've said, the GOPe offers the choice of walking toward socialism, while the Dems run to it. Only a difference in pace.
Posted by: maddogg

Not true. We're stepping on our dicks as well!!

Posted by: I blow my daddy at October 14, 2015 12:28 PM (326rv)

77 Serious question: how would you explain to a kid the difference between socialism and communism?

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A socialist is a communist that lying to you about themselves.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 14, 2015 12:28 PM (8XRCm)

78 Serious question: how would you explain to a kid the difference between socialism and communism?

Posted by: @votermom at October 14, 2015 12:26 PM (cbfNE)

My brother (then a Radio and TV major) once asked one of his tech professors what was the difference between duct tape and gaff tape. The professor picked up a roll of duct tape in his right hand and said, "This is duct tape." He then transferred the roll to his left hand and said, "This is gaff tape."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 14, 2015 12:28 PM (kff5f)

79 A Socialist merely lacks the courage of his convictions.

Posted by: Grump928(c) clutches the firey future to his breast at October 14, 2015 12:29 PM (evdj2)

80 Yes, Anderson Coopers performance was a disgrace. No gotcha questions for Hillary Clinton, no sir! They certainly were not as shy when they interrogated Governor Bush. Its an outrage.

Posted by: Begonia at October 14, 2015 12:29 PM (gnCs5)

81 What makes me sad is that I believe a majority of voters won't mind voting in a Socialist.

Eight years ago, I didn't believe this was the case, but two Obama elections have done a lot to change my perception.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityPod (tm) at October 14, 2015 12:29 PM (i+qnA)

82 Once the media decides that it's okay to rally around The Wicked Witch of Arkansas they will begin nonstop advertising for her. That can overcome even her drawbacks.
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at October 14, 2015 12:26 PM (RD7QR)

While Arkansas must accept ownership of Bill Clinton, we are not responsible for the existence of Hillary.

Posted by: maddogg at October 14, 2015 12:29 PM (xWW96)

83 Thank you, Mr. ace for watching that dog and pony horror show so I didn't have to. Just couldn't do it.

Posted by: TX ette at October 14, 2015 12:29 PM (TfO8L)

84 Serious question: how would you explain to a kid the difference between socialism and communism?

Communists put a bullet through your head.

Socialists can't afford a bullet, so they use a machete.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 14, 2015 12:30 PM (X6fMO)

85 bonhomme

I swear one of them said that--they might have meant since The Great Depression--I'm pretty sure it was Chafee that said it.

Posted by: Zombie JFK at October 14, 2015 12:30 PM (mcm0N)

86 59

You know how when you play, you pretend that you're flying by running around with your arms spread out? That's socialism.
You know what would happen if you jumped off the roof if you actually tried to fly? That's communism.

Posted by: joe at October 14, 2015 12:30 PM (KUaJL)

87 ~~While *England * Slept~~

Why England Slept

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at October 14, 2015 12:30 PM (JtwS4)

88 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 14, 2015 12:15 PM (kff5f)

At first I was kind of annoyed by your constant SCOAMT and "salt" schtick, but increasingly I now believe that you are being far too kind and respectful in your musings!

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 14, 2015 12:30 PM (ftVQq)

89 Watching the debate last night I came to the conclusion that we actually lost the Cold War. If the Democrat Party wins in 2016 we will have become the Soviet Union. Everybody on that stage was an out and out communist and the audience was the Red Guard.

Posted by: LGoPs at October 14, 2015 12:30 PM (pUIG2)

90 What makes me sad is that I believe a majority of voters won't mind voting in a Socialist.

Eight years ago, I didn't believe this was the case, but two Obama elections have done a lot to change my perception.

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They won't if the only other option is less socialism.

Posted by: SH at October 14, 2015 12:31 PM (gmeXX)

91 58
I had bailed out of the debate, but ace's twitter snark about Webb made me look up what happened.

http://wapo.st/1K8IRaN

Genuine. Bad. Ass.

Great article, but don't read the comments unless you want a rage stroke.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 14, 2015 12:31 PM (FsuaD)

92 John F Kennedy could not be a Democrat in todays party. He would be labeled a right-wing Republican if he spouted the same issues today he spouted in the 60's.
Posted by: fixerupper at October 14, 2015 12:19 PM (8XRCm)

I keep thinking of James Webb up on that stage: the last of the Blue Dog Democrats, hunted to near-extinction by the far-Left of his own party. As it happens, I grew up in a Democratic family. My grandparents had a prominently placed picture of FDR in their house that was downright shrine-like. And you know what, I'm old enough to remember when Democrats actually stood up for the working man and loved Americaand fought the spread of communism--I know, right?

Now they're just a pack of gutless Eurostyle socialists who spout ivory tower faculty lounge neo-Marxist bullshit and believe the weather is our greatest foreign policy threat.

Zombie Truman wept.

Posted by: troyriser at October 14, 2015 12:31 PM (f56b1)

93 Why, exactly, is Jim Webb in the Democrat Party?

Posted by: Tex Lovera at October 14, 2015 12:32 PM (wtvvX)

94 Great article, but don't read the comments unless you want a rage stroke.

Oh thanks. I hadn't, but now I'm tempted.

I blame you.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at October 14, 2015 12:32 PM (JtwS4)

95 Serious question: how would you explain to a kid the difference between socialism and communism?

Someone once said that Communists are just socialists in a hurry. That's the only difference.

Posted by: LGoPs at October 14, 2015 12:32 PM (pUIG2)

96 A Socialist is a closeted Communist. A Communist is a Communist.

Socialism is whatever command and control schemes a Socialist advocates at them moment it pops into their pointy little head. Communism is what's left when a Socialist is allowed carte blanche to make the changes they desire.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 14, 2015 12:32 PM (jhqr1)

97 Communism is a totalitarian political system that uses socialism for it's economics.

Posted by: MTF at October 14, 2015 12:32 PM (LISuA)

98 At first I was kind of annoyed by your constant SCOAMT and "salt" schtick, but increasingly I now believe that you are being far too kind and respectful in your musings!

Burn/Scatter/Salt is *supposed* to be more emotive. A little over-the-top (but only a little, and it's getting less over-the-top every day).

SCOAMT is documented with evidence. He's a f*cking traitor who provided aid and comfort to the enemy both leading up to, and in the immediate aftermath, of Benghazi.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 14, 2015 12:32 PM (kff5f)

99 The doctor is my enemy!

Expropriate! Expropriate!!!

Posted by: Hill-lek at October 14, 2015 12:32 PM (lqmAz)

100 My grandparents had a prominently placed picture of FDR in their house that was downright shrine-like.

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That's not creepy at all.

Posted by: SH at October 14, 2015 12:32 PM (gmeXX)

101 90 What makes me sad is that I believe a majority of voters won't mind voting in a Socialist.

Eight years ago, I didn't believe this was the case, but two Obama elections have done a lot to change my perception.

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They won't if the only other option is less socialism.
Posted by: SH at October 14, 2015 12:31 PM (gmeXX)

What if I call it Socialismo? Better?

Posted by: Jeb! at October 14, 2015 12:32 PM (RD7QR)

102 Good take on the debates ace. I thought Anderson, the ghey, did better than I expected. I was taking a leak and missed the letting off the hook on the Black pandering question.

Hillary is simple a lying tool and I am beginning to believe Bernie is a shill for her.

Who the hell does he think he is to say breaking federal laws are not important?

I also find it mildly amusing that the only Jewish candidate is slapping money changing bankers.

He almost sound like an anti-Semite.

Posted by: Nip Sip at October 14, 2015 12:32 PM (jJRIy)

103
There is no difference.

"Socialism" is a more palatable and polite euphemism for Communism specifically for a Western audience.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 14, 2015 12:33 PM (Fv3UZ)

104 Great article, but don't read the comments unless you want a rage stroke.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 14, 2015 12:31 PM (FsuaD)

A couple of them were actually funny, like one who said it's a good thing Brian Williams wasn't the moderator or he'd have started comparing his war experience with Webb's.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 14, 2015 12:33 PM (2Ojst)

105 97 Communism is a totalitarian political system that uses socialism for it's economics.

So, the obama administration..

Posted by: donna at October 14, 2015 12:33 PM (/dSsq)

106 JFK and Zell Miller were the same kind of Democrat. The kind that is extinct.

Posted by: maddogg at October 14, 2015 12:33 PM (xWW96)

107 The Democrat Party has been openly socialist since FDR was President.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at October 14, 2015 12:33 PM (t2KH5)

108 #69

So you caught it too?

Hillary as the new FDR --so that's why she is spouting America needs a--newNew Deal.

Posted by: Zombie JFK at October 14, 2015 12:33 PM (mcm0N)

109

Exactly. Bernie stinks of Marxism.

Posted by: GBruno at October 14, 2015 12:33 PM (u49WF)

110 >>>What makes me sad is that I believe a majority of voters won't mind voting in a Socialist. Eight years ago, I didn't believe this was the case, but two Obama elections have done a lot to change my perception.

Obama has largely succeeded in "fundamentally transforming America", just as promised. Another eight years, we'll be debating only how big the camps for political prisoners should be.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at October 14, 2015 12:33 PM (ppaKI)

111 Someone with more intestinal fortitude than I: what was the tone used when Bernie made his "we're all tired of hearing about Hillary's emails" remark. I've heard it discussed several different ways (on this site even).

It could mean that he's saying it's a non-issue and everybody should move on (what difference at this point, does it make?), or that he's saying that Hillary's scandal are detracting from the issues that they want to be talking about (and shame on her).

Which is it?

Posted by: joe at October 14, 2015 12:33 PM (KUaJL)

112 100 My grandparents had a prominently placed picture of FDR in their house that was downright shrine-like.

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That's not creepy at all.
Posted by: SH at October 14, 2015 12:32 PM (gmeXX)

Apparently that was not at all uncommon, either.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 14, 2015 12:33 PM (2Ojst)

113 6 The drones will die to protect the Queen.
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at October 14, 2015 12:16 PM (RD7QR)

The debate was sponsored and narrated by the National Geographic Channel.

I had not known that.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at October 14, 2015 12:34 PM (BZAd3)

114 Wow, Webb has an impressive "bubblehead".

He needs to shave his dome bald, then-

have his make-up artist paint a groove down the center-

add some fake thick, ropy penis veins, and

he'd look just like one of the Butt-Head aliens from the Captain Pike episode of Star Trek.

I'd pay good money to see him wearing a white robe and done up Butt-Head-style at the next Dim debate.

And answer every question in a robotic tone-

"Do not question the Webb! Or I shall explode your head with my psychic powers."

He'd lead in the polls after that.

Posted by: naturalfake at October 14, 2015 12:35 PM (0cMkb)

115 Soviet Union great place to honeymoon.

Posted by: Colonel Bernie Sanders at October 14, 2015 12:35 PM (Jj/2n)

116 What makes me sad is that I believe a majority of voters won't mind voting in a Socialist. Eight years ago, I didn't believe this was the case, but two Obama elections have done a lot to change my perception.

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This goes back to what Kevin WIlliamson was writing about. America is presented with these two options. Increased socialist spending with less taxes. Who wouldn't vote for that?

Posted by: SH at October 14, 2015 12:35 PM (gmeXX)

117 Why, exactly, is Jim Webb in the Democrat Party?

Posted by: Tex Lovera at October 14, 2015 12:32 PM (wtvvX)

I don't know what Webb's epiphany was, but he was once a rational decent man. If he'd been at Woodstock, I'd say he probably ignored the warning about the brown acid!

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 14, 2015 12:35 PM (ftVQq)

118 Well Biden does have a ......

(Oh gawd I can't say it.)

We're sort of alike.

Posted by: Zombie JFK at October 14, 2015 12:35 PM (mcm0N)

119 Webb is weird.

Posted by: Seems Legit at October 14, 2015 12:35 PM (Xa4vS)

120 OT: One of those Biblical fairy tales Bill Maher likes to talk about seems to have a basis in fact.

http://tinyurl.com/q6gdqhy

Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 14, 2015 12:36 PM (XUKZU)

121 >>I still don't believe she will be the nominee. I'm actually not sure she won't be under indictment by this time next year.
Posted by: Grump928(c)

There there. Lie back, relax and I'll bring your noon sedative dose.

Posted by: Your Nurse at October 14, 2015 12:36 PM (c7vUv)

122 106
JFK and Zell Miller were the same kind of Democrat. The kind that is extinct.

Posted by: maddogg at October 14, 2015 12:33 PM (xWW96)

Husband went to high school with Zell's boys. They started a "newspaper" called the Open Zipper.

At a Zell event a few years ago here, he reminded Mr. and Mrs. Miller. Mrs. Miller gave him the stink eye. Heh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 14, 2015 12:36 PM (FsuaD)

123 Webb's mannerisms in that video make him look like the alien in Men in Black who wore the human's skin and wanted sugar water.

Posted by: Adrienne at October 14, 2015 12:36 PM (lVcuh)

124 Serious question: how would you explain to a kid the difference between socialism and communism?

"Listen kid, they're both bad for you, and it's exactly why your country was founded to prevent. It's only a matter of degree as to how much of your freedom and your money they take away from you.

If you think that either one is acceptable as a substitute for the Constitution, you need to do some research into how actual communist and socialist countries operate. Start with Russia and Venezuela."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 14, 2015 12:36 PM (LUgeY)

125 What the fuck is the deal with the size and shape of Webb's head?

Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2015 12:36 PM (6xtq3)

126 My grandparents had a prominently placed picture of FDR in their house that was downright shrine-like.

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That's not creepy at all.

I think every family home in Boston had a similar shrine to JFK at some point.

As a missionary I actually was invited into a home that had a shrine to Fidel Castro. I knew better than to ask about it.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 14, 2015 12:36 PM (jhqr1)

127 Webb is weird.

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It's true. This man has no neck.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 14, 2015 12:37 PM (XUKZU)

128 So Little VIA comes home from High School yesterday.
Tells me that his generation is full of idiot's.

Apparently, he and several classmates were discussing Democratic candidates, and some girl chimed up about how Cool Bernie Sanders is, and that she knows everything about him.

So Little asks her why she likes a Socialists>
And she responds that Little must get his news from HillBilly Redneck News.

So he fired up his phone, and jumped to Wikipedia to let her read about Sanders Democratic Socialistic position.

Didn't faze her one little bit.

As apparently in her mind, Socialism will bring more job opportunities for poor folk.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 14, 2015 12:37 PM (VPLuQ)

129 the term "socialist" is completely meaningless, except that socialists always want more government.
Some think they're doing it for your good and some think they're doing it for the good of society. It's the latter variety that treat their real and imagined enemies the way a gardener treats weeds and grubs.

Posted by: mallfly at October 14, 2015 12:37 PM (qSIlh)

130 120 OT: One of those Biblical fairy tales Bill Maher likes to talk about seems to have a basis in fact.

http://tinyurl.com/q6gdqhy
Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 14, 2015 12:36 PM (XUKZU)

I think the best evidence that they had found Sodom was the ancient jars of K-Y Jelly.

Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at October 14, 2015 12:37 PM (RD7QR)

131 As a missionary I actually was invited into a home that had a shrine to Fidel Castro. I knew better than to ask about it.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 14, 2015 12:36 PM (jhqr1)

You would've been morthomme.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 14, 2015 12:37 PM (2Ojst)

132 America doesn't need a New Deal. She needs the Original Deal.

The Constitution.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at October 14, 2015 12:37 PM (wtvvX)

133 Don't get to passionate about Jim Webb when he was elected he ran on cutting spending and when the Dems went on their spending sprees he rolled right along with them, didn't even fake complain to the media.

Posted by: Zombie JFK at October 14, 2015 12:38 PM (mcm0N)

134 What the fuck is the deal with the size and shape of Webb's head?

Why do you ask?

Posted by: Peyton and Eli at October 14, 2015 12:38 PM (Jj/2n)

135 ist" -- meaning he lied when he got his conscientious objector status, or he's lying now-ace

He's evolved.
He also needs to see Rand Paul about that eye of his and John Kerry's hair stylist.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 14, 2015 12:38 PM (9mTYi)

136 I think every family home in Boston had a similar shrine to JFK at some point.

Damn near every mantle had a JFK and a Jesus.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at October 14, 2015 12:38 PM (JtwS4)

137 How nice of that sweet, young Anderson Cooper to take care of the doddering old granny on stage.
Not.

Sounds like it was a joke of a "debate".

Posted by: Lizzy at October 14, 2015 12:38 PM (NOIQH)

138 [IThey won't if the only other option is less socialism.
Posted by: SH at October 14, 2015 12:31 PM (gmeXX)

I'm not sure they won't, regardless of the Republican nominee. I hope to God I am wrong.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityPod (tm) at October 14, 2015 12:38 PM (i+qnA)

139 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 14, 2015 12:32 PM (kff5f)

There was a trace of sarc in my original comment, but yes, you are spot on!

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 14, 2015 12:38 PM (ftVQq)

140 Scankles will not get the nom. Most of the Democrat party hates her guts from her past episodes in the WH with the serial rapist. That said she does have a contingent of idiots that support her. But even if she wins enough primary votes all those "special electors" will make sure the nom will go to someone else at the convention.

Polls are now showing that just about any of the Republican candidates will kick her ass in the general election.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at October 14, 2015 12:38 PM (t2KH5)

141 @votermom #59: Socialism - government controlled command economy. Elite socialist cadre will inform privately owned businesses what they can produce, how much they can produce, set prices, and tell them who they can sell to -- and take a huge cut for being so helpful. Most strategic businesses (energy, transportation, etc.) are government owned. (Russia)
Communism - Does the same as Socialism, but adds in running individuals' private and political lives as well -- telling them which political parties they can belong to (one only), how many kids they can have, what religions they can practice (none), etc. (China, North Korea)

Posted by: starboardhelm at October 14, 2015 12:39 PM (hOtJL)

142 Here's the other rub. She had all the questions to be asked before the debate so she did miserable considering that.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at October 14, 2015 12:39 PM (t2KH5)

143 105 So, the obama administration..

Posted by: donna at October 14, 2015 12:33 PM (/dSsq)
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I go back and forth on whether they're fascist or socialist. I think they'd like to be socialist but right now they're a lot more transactional, giving out federal sugar to their donors and forcing small companies into merging with bigger ones that are quasi-government controlled via large shareholdings in the hands of selected Obama-supporting individuals.

The only real fault with that is you would like to see a little nationalistic tinge to their politics to fit the currently fashionable definition of 'fascism'.

Posted by: MTF at October 14, 2015 12:40 PM (LISuA)

144 Didn't faze her one little bit.

As apparently in her mind, Socialism will bring more job opportunities for poor folk.

Yeah. Hand digging graves for useless idiots.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 14, 2015 12:40 PM (REkPr)

145 Just heard on the radio (stream) that if you like your coffee black, you're more likely to be a psychopath.

Since I drink my coffee black, can I now pick the pictures for the art threads?

Posted by: jwest at October 14, 2015 12:40 PM (Zs4uk)

146 It could mean that he's saying it's a non-issue and everybody should move on (what difference at this point, does it make?)

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That's a bingo!

Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 14, 2015 12:40 PM (XUKZU)

147 Polls are now showing that just about any of the Republican candidates will kick her ass in the general election.

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Perhaps she will be the John McCain of 2016. The sacrificial (and really old) lamb to whoever the GOP nominates.

Posted by: SH at October 14, 2015 12:40 PM (gmeXX)

148 134 His eyes are about 3 inches too low. Clearly a sign of reduced mental capacity.

Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2015 12:41 PM (6xtq3)

149
Exactly. Bernie stinks of Marxism.

Posted by: GBruno at October 14, 2015 12:33 PM (u49WF)

A man who has his honeymoon in The Soviet Union IS a COMMUNIST.
PERIOD

Posted by: Nip Sip at October 14, 2015 12:41 PM (jJRIy)

150 *too* passionate

Pretty sure Webb voted for Obama's huuuuge and fabulous stimulus package, might have voted cor both of them.

Posted by: Zombie JFK at October 14, 2015 12:41 PM (mcm0N)

151 >>>I go back and forth on whether they're fascist or socialist

They are both, focialists?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 14, 2015 12:41 PM (9mTYi)

152 That doesn't mean I think Jim Webb will catch fire or win the
nomination. But I think he'll get that 5% of the Democrat Party that
isn't socialist or identity-politics fixated.

There is no one in the Democrat Party that is not socialist or an outright communist like Sanders.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at October 14, 2015 12:41 PM (t2KH5)

153 145 Just heard on the radio (stream) that if you like your coffee black, you're more likely to be a psychopath.

Where do they come up with this crap? I drink coffee black...Shut up... Who you talking to? what? .... excuse Me I have to go my .......

Posted by: donna at October 14, 2015 12:42 PM (/dSsq)

154 A man who has his honeymoon in The Soviet Union IS a COMMUNIST.
PERIOD

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Certainly not much of a romantic.

Posted by: SH at October 14, 2015 12:42 PM (gmeXX)

155 Which is it?Posted by: joe at October 14, 2015 12:33 PM (KUaJL)

You want someone from this site, where we're predominantly logic based, to explain the thought process of an almost 80 year old avowed socialist?

I actually saw that footage this morning and I thought he f*cked up, but his facial expression didn't change.

Posted by: The DNC at October 14, 2015 12:42 PM (sI4OA)

156
A man who has his honeymoon in The Soviet Union IS a COMMUNIST.
PERIOD
Posted by: Nip Sip at October 14, 2015 12:41 PM (jJRIy

But free birth control amirite?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 14, 2015 12:42 PM (9mTYi)

157 My Irish grandfather had a huge portrait of JFK in his home. There's something about Democrat presidents that stoke the human urge to worship, and that's why we get personality cults surrounding them. There really is no counterpart on the Republican side. I guess Reagan came close, but did anyone ever hang a portrait of Nixon, Eisenhower or either Bush on their wall?

Posted by: JoeF. at October 14, 2015 12:42 PM (jZ4gS)

158 151 >>>I go back and forth on whether they're fascist or socialist

They are both, focialists?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 14, 2015 12:41 PM (9mTYi)

Facialists. Just look at Hillary.

Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at October 14, 2015 12:42 PM (RD7QR)

159 A man who has his honeymoon in The Soviet Union IS a COMMUNIST.
PERIOD

Posted by: Nip Sip at October 14, 2015 12:41 PM (jJRIy)

A certain NYC mayor and his wife honeymooned in Cuba.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 14, 2015 12:42 PM (FsuaD)

160 Remember when the entire democrat party was swearing up and down that
Obama wasn't a socialist and only insane right wingers watching Fox News
all day thought that.

Get ready for the 180 degree mental pivot without any acknowledgment
"of course they are socialist police and firefighters are a socialist
policy! What you don't like firefighters?" And my personal favorite "you
don't even know what a socialist is"[/ i]

The spiel will be basically this: "We need a socialist president to undo the massive damage to the middle class that 8 years of the most successful president ever! didn't do."

Or: "We need a socialist president to continue the great policies of the most! successful! president! ever!, who was in no way even resembling a socialist."

It's like talking to children. Slow, snotty, spoiled, not very charming children.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at October 14, 2015 12:42 PM (DLu2s)

161 154 A man who has his honeymoon in The Soviet Union IS a COMMUNIST.
PERIOD

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Certainly not much of a romantic.
Posted by: SH at October 14, 2015 12:42 PM (gmeXX)

Aren't the bleak concrete structures just lovely, dear?

Posted by: Insomniac at October 14, 2015 12:42 PM (2Ojst)

162 I damned near filled the bowl twice during that break last night.

Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at October 14, 2015 12:42 PM (Jj/2n)

163 Perhaps she will be the John McCain of 2016. The sacrificial (and really old) lamb to whoever the GOP nominates.

Posted by: SH at October 14, 2015 12:40 PM (gmeXX)

Never underestimate the power of the GOP Establishment to pick electable winners!

Posted by: Pres M Romney at October 14, 2015 12:43 PM (ftVQq)

164

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at October 14, 2015 12:43 PM (DLu2s)

165 >>Here's the other rub. She had all the questions to be asked before the debate so she did miserable considering that.

I have no doubt she demanded all questions in advance and demanded she be shielded from others, such as the black lives matters one.
This is what she does, who she is.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 14, 2015 12:43 PM (NOIQH)

166 That was weird. The barrel rejected me!

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at October 14, 2015 12:44 PM (DLu2s)

167 "Listen kid, there are two types of people: one wants you to be free, make your own decisions and live your own life as you see best and to be happy.

The other type wants to control you: what you do, how you live and what you think.

The first type is American, the second type is either a socialist or a communist, as there's essentially no difference."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 14, 2015 12:44 PM (LUgeY)

168 Serious question: how would you explain to a kid the difference between socialism and communism?
Posted by: @votermom at October 14, 2015 12:26 PM (cbfNE)

Socialism is government control of the means of production. Basically everyone works for the state and the state takes care of you.

Communism took the idea and expanded it to involve government control over all aspects of your life. Everyone is to be made as equal as possible in every aspect of their lives.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at October 14, 2015 12:44 PM (OiH3z)

169 Just heard on the radio (stream) that if you like your coffee black, you're more likely to be a psychopath.

Where do they come up with this crap? I drink coffee black...Shut up... Who you talking to? what? .... excuse Me I have to go my .......

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Get out of my way or I'll cut a bitch!

Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 14, 2015 12:44 PM (XUKZU)

170 161 154 A man who has his honeymoon in The Soviet Union IS a COMMUNIST.
PERIOD

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Certainly not much of a romantic.
Posted by: SH at October 14, 2015 12:42 PM (gmeXX)

Aren't the bleak concrete structures just lovely, dear?
Posted by: Insomniac at October 14, 2015 12:42 PM (2Ojs

Why lie around on a beach drinking umbrella drinks when you can look at the preserved corpse of Lenin?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 14, 2015 12:44 PM (9mTYi)

171 Where was Hillary during the Vietnam War anyway?

Oh that's right, pining for Saul Alinsky.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 14, 2015 12:44 PM (GGCsk)

172 That's not creepy at all.
Posted by: SH at October 14, 2015 12:32 PM (gmeXX)

Yeah? You get pulled out of school and put to work as a twelve-year-old in Appalachian coal mines ran by companies who used little kids because of their small size and agility. My grandfather did, and he fairly worshiped FDR because--from my grandfather's point of view--FDR and the Democrats actually gave a shit whether or not people like him lived or died.

I'm not saying the GOP needs to go full-on populist--or even that we need to be 'kinder and gentler', but if we want to win then we'd better get across the idea that the ideals we represent are bigger than holding onto our own and to hell with the other guy.

Posted by: troyriser at October 14, 2015 12:44 PM (f56b1)

173 Jay Leno joke when he got to do the Tonight Show Monologue for a bit last week:

"If Bernie Sanders wins he will be the first socialist elected president since 2008."

Posted by: buzzion at October 14, 2015 12:44 PM (zt+N6)

174 man who has his honeymoon in The Soviet Union IS a COMMUNIST.
PERIOD
Posted by: Nip Sip at October 14, 2015 12:41 PM (jJRIy

Exactly. But going to Russia to find a bride that you can take back to honeymoon in the US is totally different,

Posted by: JoeF. at October 14, 2015 12:44 PM (jZ4gS)

175 FDR? TCM played this flick last week. Talk about propaganda. Ran just before 1960 election. Gee, wonder why????

http://tinyurl.com/qel8q46

Posted by: Nip Sip at October 14, 2015 12:44 PM (jJRIy)

176 9 Remember when the entire democrat party was swearing up and down that Obama wasn't a socialist and only insane right wingers watching Fox News all day thought that.

Get ready for the 180 degree mental pivot without any acknowledgment "of course they are socialist police and firefighters are a socialist policy! What you don't like firefighters?" And my personal favorite "you don't even know what a socialist is"
Posted by: SomeSay the Strawmarian at October 14, 2015 12:16 PM (GtHrM)

Oh no. Not what they're doing at all. Right now all the lefty apologists I've seen are swarming the facebooks with all sorts of "political spectrum" charts (which you can immediately identify as absolute bullshit because they all have Rand Paul, of all people, listed as an extreme right wing Authoritarian) that show all the dem candidates right in the cozy, moderate middle. It's all those Republicans that are crazy and have gone off the deep end into extremism. Oh, and we apparently don't know what socialism is, either. They're defining it as hard-line communism and since none of them openly espouse becoming the USSR then we don't know what we're talking about.

Yeah. They're insane.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at October 14, 2015 12:45 PM (KkVB6)

177 154 A man who has his honeymoon in The Soviet Union IS a COMMUNIST.
PERIOD

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Certainly not much of a romantic.
Posted by: SH at October 14, 2015 12:42 PM (gmeXX)

Aren't the bleak concrete structures just lovely, dear?

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Isn't there and old story (maybe by Jean Kirkpatrick) about going to the Soviet Union and when asked why she though capitalism was better to some academics who were also on the trip replied something that the fact that you don't have to take your own toilet paper to visiti America.

Posted by: SH at October 14, 2015 12:45 PM (gmeXX)

178 >.A man who has his honeymoon in The Soviet Union IS a COMMUNIST.

PERIOD

I honeymooned in Cuba, does that count?

Posted by: Warren Willhelm a/k/a Bill de Blasio at October 14, 2015 12:45 PM (NOIQH)

179 Socialism is great - for ants and bees. For humans, not so much, because many of us aspire to be more than a drone in the hive.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at October 14, 2015 12:45 PM (ppaKI)

180 Sanders claims he objected specifically to the Vietnam war. I'm not sure conscientious objection works like that, but he' a democrat so who cares apparently.

Weirder still was his criteria for the use of force. e said he as cool with it for the Serbian genocide, but apparently the Syrian, Kurdish or Darfur genocides just aren't bad enough or something? He's basically retroactively justifying all his choices, making it logical stew.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at October 14, 2015 12:45 PM (tM4uk)

181 Bernie rolled over and let Hillary win.

Why?

Either he's just a stalking horse for Queen Hill, or he figures she's going to collapse later of her own criminal mass and doesn't want to be seen as the one who pushed her wheelchair over the cliff.

Hillary can't win with white votes, indeed I daresay the average non-professoriate, non-government-union white voter hates both Obama and Hillary with the heat of a thousand suns. Webb could get some of that vote back, Bernie The Senator could get some of it back, but Presidential Candidate White Bernie From White Vermont now figures he has to chase the race vote. For every black voter he gets by pandering he'll lose at least one white voter.

Posted by: JEM at October 14, 2015 12:45 PM (o+SC1)

182 25 years ago, Jim Webb would have been fending off a populist Donald Trump for the Democratic nomination, with the rest of these yahoos exiled to the peanut gallery at best.

This country's turned into a gorram lunatic asylum.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at October 14, 2015 12:46 PM (9krrF)

183 >>What the fuck is the deal with the size and shape of Webb's head?
Posted by: Weasel

Don't know, but it seems to be a big deal.

Posted by: Aviator at October 14, 2015 12:46 PM (c7vUv)

184 In new USSA, we are all equally First!

Posted by: rickl at October 14, 2015 12:46 PM (zoehZ)

185 184 In new USSA, we are all equally First!
Posted by: rickl at October 14, 2015 12:46 PM (zoehZ)

Some are more first than others.

Posted by: Insomniac at October 14, 2015 12:46 PM (2Ojst)

186 I thought maybe Bernie wanted a little Cleveland Steamer action.

Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at October 14, 2015 12:47 PM (Jj/2n)

187 >>Weirder still was his criteria for the use of force. e said he
>>as cool with it for the Serbian genocide, but apparently the
>> Syrian, Kurdish or Darfur genocides just aren't bad enough
>>or something?

He's saying military intervention is fine to save white people, but not brown people.

Posted by: JEM at October 14, 2015 12:47 PM (o+SC1)

188 Polls are now showing that just about any of the Republican candidates will kick her ass in the general election.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at October 14, 2015 12:38 PM (t2KH5)

Which is, get this, blamed on the ....... media.

*facepalm*

It's their fault.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at October 14, 2015 12:47 PM (o8n43)

189 Everyone is to be made as equal as possible in every aspect of their lives.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at October 14, 2015 12:44 PM (OiH3z)

But there needs to be the disclaimer that the Dear Leaders deserve many "unequal" little extras because of the "stress" they endure running your lives for you!

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 14, 2015 12:48 PM (ftVQq)

190 "Anderson Cooper was a terrible moderator,[..]"
Rush said he thought AC was great, and then again later pretty good.
I don't know as I did not watch. I'm as confused as your standard everyday liberal now.

Posted by: kahall at October 14, 2015 12:48 PM (tWsq4)

191 Revealed: Bernie Sanders was the guy who played Steinbrenner on Seinfeld.

Posted by: nick at October 14, 2015 12:48 PM (EMQZg)

192 Thanks for all the answers re socialism vs communism.

Posted by: @votermom at October 14, 2015 12:48 PM (cbfNE)

193 Walmart stumbles. Nothing to do with its lefty tendencies of late?

Posted by: SH at October 14, 2015 12:49 PM (gmeXX)

194 Damn near every mantle had a JFK and a Jesus.

The palm fronds decorating both the Sacred Heart and JFK were always interesting. (Far West Chicago farm country.)

Posted by: mustbequantum at October 14, 2015 12:49 PM (MIKMs)

195 You know what I really miss about my honeymoon in The Soviet Union?

That great toilet paper. I'd rub my dick with it and get a woody from hell.

Better than sandpaper!

Posted by: Bernie Glassberg/ Sanders at October 14, 2015 12:49 PM (jJRIy)

196 I think every family home in Boston had a similar shrine to JFK at some point.

Damn near every mantle had a JFK and a Jesus.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at October 14, 2015 12:38 PM (JtwS4)

Or JFK and John XXIII.

Worst thing to happen to the Church since the Borgias.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 14, 2015 12:49 PM (X6fMO)

197 Polls are now showing that just about any of the Republican candidates will kick her ass in the general election.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at October 14, 2015 12:38 PM (t2KH5)

__________

Aside from the Fox poll recently, is there any other poll that shows this? I generally ignore any poll from either Fox or NBC...for obvious reasons.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 14, 2015 12:49 PM (0LHZx)

198 What the fuck is the deal with the size and shape of Webb's head?
Posted by: Weasel

Don't know, but it seems to be a big deal.
Posted by: Aviator

That's not a forehead, that's a billboard!

Posted by: rickb223 at October 14, 2015 12:49 PM (REkPr)

199 I thought the Black Lives Matter question was precious.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 14, 2015 12:49 PM (FsuaD)

200 ...or maybe a blumpkin.

Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at October 14, 2015 12:49 PM (Jj/2n)

201 >>>Weirder still was his criteria for the use of force. e said he

>>as cool with it for the Serbian genocide, but apparently the

>> Syrian, Kurdish or Darfur genocides just aren't bad enough

>>or something?

He's saying military intervention is fine to save white people, but not brown people.

Posted by: JEM at October 14, 2015 12:47 PM (o+SC1)<<<

Military interventions were fine when it was Bill Clinton...

**looks at Hillary and gives a subtle wink**

Posted by: Comrade Sanders -- Vermont Fried Chicken in Every Pot at October 14, 2015 12:50 PM (lqmAz)

202 Just in time for life in post-capitalist America, I'm seeing stories popping up lately about folks living in communities of shipping containers.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at October 14, 2015 12:50 PM (ppaKI)

203 The sacrificial (and really old) lamb to whoever the GOP nominates.

Isn't that called 'mutton dressed as lamb' to us old folks?

Posted by: mustbequantum at October 14, 2015 12:50 PM (MIKMs)

204 Rush says that Hillary had nothing to worry about last night as she knew that she was not going to be questioned very hard. The others on the stage and the press were mostly just props for her to show her brilliance and how confident she is. So of course she would come off the way she did.

Posted by: Colin at October 14, 2015 12:50 PM (Espnc)

205 Which is, get this, blamed on the ....... media.

*facepalm*

It's their fault.

Considering the worthless shitweasel they made and kept Preezy, there's some truth to that.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at October 14, 2015 12:51 PM (9krrF)

206 Oh I liked how twice--Hillary bragged about how she and Obama hunted down the Chinese and broke into their secret meeting.

I imagine, since the Chinese were probably tracking her via her leaky Blackberry and emails--right before ObamaMan and Wonder Thighs burst into the room --the Chinese were saying to each other-

"Try to act like you're surprised!"

Posted by: Zombie JFK at October 14, 2015 12:51 PM (mcm0N)

207 Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 14, 2015 12:37 PM (VPLuQ)

=======
Direct him to Sanders writings about how women love rape fantasies and ask her about that.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at October 14, 2015 12:51 PM (iQIUe)

208 190, I'm with Rush. I thought Cooper did a great job. He did ask tough questions and follow up. He wasn't a patsy.

Posted by: JoeF. at October 14, 2015 12:51 PM (jZ4gS)

209 OT: One of those Biblical fairy tales Bill Maher likes to talk about seems to have a basis in fact.

http://tinyurl.com/q6gdqhy

One of the big talking points people used to use against the Book of Mormon was the mention of concrete in the text. They would point to that and laugh, saying no concrete existed in the Americas during that time period.

They, uh, don't argue that anymore. Archaeologists found quite a bit of concrete in some S American locales and were pretty shocked about that. Of course it doesn't prove the Book of Mormon is true, but I enjoy stories like that.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 14, 2015 12:51 PM (jhqr1)

210 So...did Planned Parenthood come up during the debate?

Posted by: Lizzy at October 14, 2015 12:51 PM (NOIQH)

211 >>Why lie around on a beach drinking umbrella drinks when you can look at the preserved corpse of Lenin?

It prepared his bride to see old Bernie naked.

Posted by: Aviator at October 14, 2015 12:51 PM (c7vUv)

212 Just in time for life in post-capitalist America, I'm seeing stories popping up lately about folks living in communities of shipping containers.

I want one like Raymond Reddington's.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 14, 2015 12:52 PM (LUgeY)

213 59
Serious question: how would you explain to a kid the difference between socialism and communism?

Posted by: @votermom at October 14, 2015 12:26 PM (cbfNE)

Socialism is a midpoint between capitalism and communism. That is from the people who invented communism. The MFM likes to call communists socialist to soften the impact after the Russians made communism a bad name.

The US is a socialist country because more than 50% of the economy is government handouts. Under communism the government owns all the businesses. They effectively control them here now which is closer to Fascism which is just another form of socialism.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at October 14, 2015 12:52 PM (t2KH5)

214 Shrillary's voice makes me cringe and shrivel! It is horrible.

Posted by: The Jackhole at October 14, 2015 12:52 PM (3mTyP)

215 Progressivism is the belief that society should be run by elite experts. A Progressive is someone who believes they will be among that cadre, rather than one of the corpses.

Posted by: that guy that always thinks we're boned at October 14, 2015 12:52 PM (rwI+c)

216 @204

THIS.

She did look good for a short fat lesbo and she smiled and didn't get too upset.

She has lying down to an art.

Posted by: Nip Sip at October 14, 2015 12:52 PM (jJRIy)

217 JEM

Good damn point, sickening.

Posted by: Zombie JFK at October 14, 2015 12:53 PM (mcm0N)

218 202 Just in time for life in post-capitalist America, I'm seeing stories popping up lately about folks living in communities of shipping containers.
Posted by: Citizen Cake at October 14, 2015 12:50 PM (ppaKI)

Expect to see more stories about this and tiny houses (which are really just glorified mobile homes). They want upcoming generations to get used to the idea that traditional home ownership is a thing of the past.

Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at October 14, 2015 12:53 PM (RD7QR)

219 Where was Hillary during the Vietnam War anyway?
Oh that's right, pining for Saul Alinsky.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 14, 2015 12:44 PM (GGCsk)

A good argument could be made that part of the reason this country is in the mess it is is because Jane Fonda wasn't executed for treason.* Had the left been forced to see that there were actual, real consequences for acting against the United States, they might have been a bit more circumspect.

Of course, by my logic, Bill "guilty as sin, free as a bird" Ayers and his shrew wife should also have, once their trial was ended, been subject to the Mussolini / Petacci treatment.

*and yes, I know why she wasn't. I'm rolling here.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 14, 2015 12:54 PM (X6fMO)

220 Communism is the state of Utopia where all people work in harmony for the betterment of all.

Socialism is the closet thing we can have since there are so few 'enlightened' people currently on the planet. So we must follow these few enlightened people as they lead us for the betterment of all mankind.

Or possible shoot those few 'enlightened' people since their primary goal seems to be to lighten the pockets of as many people as they can to line the pockets of the gullible idiots that support them and their unbelievable fantasy. (Seriously, I believe in Tolkien more than I believe in socialism).

Posted by: AdamPM at October 14, 2015 12:54 PM (xqhl+)

221 >>They want upcoming generations to get used to the idea that traditional home ownership is a thing of the past.

Micro-housing is cool in San Francisco and NYC. Look, you can live in a 300 SF "loft"!!

Posted by: Lizzy at October 14, 2015 12:55 PM (NOIQH)

222 Expect to see more stories about this and tiny
houses (which are really just glorified mobile homes). They want
upcoming generations to get used to the idea that traditional home
ownership is a thing of the past.

Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at October 14, 2015 12:53 PM (RD7QR

Here you go, NY Slime link.

http://tinyurl.com/oba72ul

Posted by: Nip Sip at October 14, 2015 12:55 PM (jJRIy)

223 I wonder if those who are mocking Webb realize that a Navy Cross isn't a cross you wear when you're in the Navy.

Posted by: alexthechick - Hair rays activate! at October 14, 2015 12:55 PM (mf5HN)

224 The MFM likes to call communists socialist to soften the impact after the Russians made communism a bad name.

Progressives are socialists. "Progressive" sounds so much more positive and civilized to the libs.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 14, 2015 12:55 PM (FsuaD)

225 I thought AC did a great job too.

He was just so amazing that he had the definition of Glass-Steagall already handy to read from, so he could explain it to the LIVs ~~when~~ in case it got mentioned.

I mean, how fortunate was that?!

Posted by: coincidence... I think not at October 14, 2015 12:55 PM (lqmAz)

226 "Psychopaths take their coffee black"

I drink my coffee with half-half but no sugar. Does that make me semi-psycho?

Posted by: @votermom at October 14, 2015 12:56 PM (cbfNE)

227 A good argument could be made that part of the reason this country is in
the mess it is is because Jane Fonda wasn't executed for treason.* Had
the left been forced to see that there were actual, real consequences
for acting against the United States, they might have been a bit more
circumspect.

THIS^^^^^^^

Posted by: LGoPs at October 14, 2015 12:56 PM (pUIG2)

228 I'm not saying the GOP needs to go full-on populist--or even that we need to be 'kinder and gentler', but if we want to win then we'd better get across the idea that the ideals we represent are bigger than holding onto our own and to hell with the other guy.

Conservulism.

"We're not 'pro-Business,' we're 'pro-Competition.'"
"Not 'tax cuts for the rich,' but 'a fair, reasonable, and easy to understand tax system.'"
"Not 'Pax Americana,' but 'America's interests first.'"

And, of course, the *policies themselves* could (and often would) be the same. Just packaged to sell to millennials.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 14, 2015 12:57 PM (kff5f)

229 Platoon Commander with Company D, First Battalion, Fifth Marines, FIRST Marine Division (Reinforced), Fleet Marine Force,

My late father had been an earlier CO of 1/5.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 14, 2015 12:57 PM (oKE6c)

230 also, so very very boned

Posted by: that guy that always thinks we're boned at October 14, 2015 12:57 PM (rwI+c)

231 Socialism: Govt runs almost everything

Communism: Govt runs everything

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 14, 2015 12:57 PM (0LHZx)

232 Socialism is great! Just like social media is great! Luv it! i'm gone study sociology so i can get better at social media and socializing. Cuz socializin's is totes grt!!

Posted by: LIV with an iPhone at October 14, 2015 12:57 PM (OZmbA)

233 A good argument could be made that part of the reason this country is in
the mess it is is because Jane Fonda wasn't executed for treason.* Had
the left been forced to see that there were actual, real consequences
for acting against the United States, they might have been a bit more
circumspect.

Still not too late.

Same thing with Ayers.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 14, 2015 12:58 PM (oKE6c)

234 NY Slime now running story saying Hill great performance last night will scare off Biden.

I hope so. We can beat the shit out of her.

Posted by: Nip Sip at October 14, 2015 12:58 PM (jJRIy)

235 "She appeared well-informed and polished compared to Lincoln Chafee, who seems to be a mental defective."

Worse, she appeared well informed and polished to millions of LIV's that are looking for another savor to fill Obama's shoes.

Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at October 14, 2015 12:58 PM (1BQGO)

236 These cracker ass muthas are crazy.

Hillary, Bernie, Jim, Martin and Linc (not the one in Mod Squad) all, ALL are head and shoulders above Jeb!.

And they are all mental defectives.

Posted by: Zombie Malcolm X at October 14, 2015 12:58 PM (D0NZx)

237 Sanders just "evolved" on pacifism.

And I thought libs were crazy about the theory of evolution just because it had no math.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 14, 2015 12:58 PM (Xd2w5)

238 227
A good argument could be made that part of the reason this country is in

the mess it is is because Jane Fonda wasn't executed for treason.* Had

the left been forced to see that there were actual, real consequences

for acting against the United States, they might have been a bit more

circumspect.

------

*cough* Bowe Bergdahl *cough*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 14, 2015 12:58 PM (FsuaD)

239 I didn't watch, but I assume it went something like:

Hilldog: I promise free shit!

Sanders the Socialist: I promise free shit, AND mandatory gay activities in the military!

*crowd goes wild*

Hil: I promise all that and banning white males from owning buisnesses!

SS: Oh yeah? I promise that and confiscating all cisscum's possessions and reparations to all PoC's!

*crowd shrieks in orgasmic glee, a woman who was convieniently near a camera faints*

Posted by: nnptcgrad at October 14, 2015 12:58 PM (aVYsC)

240
Every dead terrorist went to prom:

https://goo.gl/4fkzZh

Apparently, none got lucky....

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at October 14, 2015 12:58 PM (iQIUe)

241 When I was a kid my mom warned me about playing with toads. Said I'd get warts. So I stopped playing with toads.

The DNC, by not escorting granny -- already covered head to toe with warts -- to the door is making me happy.

I'd love, love, love to see Bernie as the candidate. No pastel colors, or minor degrees of separation. Just need a candidate on our side who could differentiate clearly the difference between socialism and capitalism. Someone who created billions of dollars of wealth, transformed communities. *ponders who that could be*

Posted by: se pa moron at October 14, 2015 12:58 PM (sI4OA)

242 Progressives are socialists. "Progressive" sounds so much more positive and civilized to the libs.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 14, 2015 12:55 PM (FsuaD)

The USSR used to refer to overseas Communists as "progressive forces."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 14, 2015 12:59 PM (oKE6c)

243 As Dave from Texas said, it felt like a beauty pageant in which everyone on the stage, including the judges, seemed to want to put the tiara on just one princess's head.

That sounds like a race for homecoming queen.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 14, 2015 12:59 PM (Xd2w5)

244 . (Seriously, I believe in Tolkien more than I believe in socialism).
Posted by: AdamPM at October 14, 2015 12:54 PM (xqhl+)

Oh, Tolkien! I have one:

Socialism = Saruman
Communism = Sauron

Posted by: @votermom at October 14, 2015 12:59 PM (cbfNE)

245 Expect to see more stories about this and tiny
houses (which are really just glorified mobile homes). They want upcoming generations to get used to the idea that traditional home ownership is a thing of the past.

Actually, as someone who would like a little land, I don't mind a small house. Now "tiny houses" are just dumb, but converted cargo containers, small(ish) cabins, and such - there's nothing wrong with those. Give someone an acre or 2, plonk one of those down, and let them use the rest of the land for farming? Instant(ish) self-reliance.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 14, 2015 12:59 PM (kff5f)

246 I want one like Raymond Reddington's.

Had a helluva view!

Posted by: rickb223 at October 14, 2015 12:59 PM (REkPr)

247 223 I realize he's a jackass politician with a funny shaped head.

Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2015 12:59 PM (6xtq3)

248 I drink my coffee with half-half but no sugar. Does that make me semi-psycho?

-
No. Metrosexual.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 14, 2015 01:00 PM (XUKZU)

249 The MFM likes to call communists socialist to soften the impact after the Russians made communism a bad name.

Communism is Stalin and Mao. Socialism is Volvos and European hipster guys with pony tails.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 14, 2015 01:00 PM (8ZskC)

250 I don't have a problem with what Webb said or did, but yeah, he did look pretty damn creepy while saying it.

Posted by: All Teh Meh at October 14, 2015 01:00 PM (KMA/A)

251 I guess Anderson *could* have asked candidates if they thought White Lives Matter. Maybe some smart Republican will ask the Democrat nominee that if the GOP ever nominates one.

Posted by: Socratease at October 14, 2015 01:00 PM (FqHs5)

252 >>>Socialism = Saruman
>>>Communism = Sauron

And the media is Wormtongue.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at October 14, 2015 01:01 PM (ppaKI)

253 Fuck Webb. Honorable service to country or not, he is just another D douchebag. He's pro abortion for one thing - a very important thing in my eyes.

Posted by: Chi at October 14, 2015 01:01 PM (8GDYF)

254 Wonder what Hill and the FemiNazi's will have to say about this. The good ole "Religion of Peace"

Trigger Warming NY Slime link

http://tinyurl.com/oe3bt9f

Posted by: Nip Sip at October 14, 2015 01:01 PM (jJRIy)

255 From the Geraghty link:

With that in mind, Hillary Clinton is the class of the field on that stage, and the only real obstacle to the nomination that remains is a Joe Biden bid.

The talk on Morning Joe was that she had one strategic goal in the debate -- to dissuade Biden from running -- and that she succeeded.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at October 14, 2015 01:01 PM (JtwS4)

256 Socialism is when I tell you to give your cookie to your sister.

Communism is when I give you both some crumbs

Posted by: McCool at October 14, 2015 01:01 PM (TQxRy)

257 Expect to see more stories about this and tiny houses (which are really just glorified mobile homes). They want upcoming generations to get used to the idea that traditional home ownership is a thing of the past.

Caves are where it's at!

Posted by: rickb223 at October 14, 2015 01:01 PM (REkPr)

258 I appreciate the attention, but my biggest enemy is actually that restaurant down the street that stole my family's lemon grass recipe.

Posted by: Ho Lee Fook, the Vietnamese guy Jim Webb killed at October 14, 2015 01:01 PM (kSWKO)

259 245 Expect to see more stories about this and tiny
houses (which are really just glorified mobile homes). They want upcoming generations to get used to the idea that traditional home ownership is a thing of the past.

Actually, as someone who would like a little land, I don't mind a small house. Now "tiny houses" are just dumb, but converted cargo containers, small(ish) cabins, and such - there's nothing wrong with those. Give someone an acre or 2, plonk one of those down, and let them use the rest of the land for farming? Instant(ish) self-reliance.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 14, 2015 12:59 PM (kff5f)

I've got nothing against small houses; my point is that they don't want you to be able to have any house bigger than that.

Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at October 14, 2015 01:02 PM (RD7QR)

260 Pretty obvious at least Hillary and probably Sanders got the questions in advance. But yeah, obviously 100% dinosaur socialist at this point.

Meanwhile, Iowa quietly arms its PARK RANGERS with M16 rifles

http://tinyurl.com/opw93nl

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 14, 2015 01:02 PM (39g3+)

261 Still not too late.

Same thing with Ayers.

Amen.

Posted by: LGoPs at October 14, 2015 01:03 PM (pUIG2)

262 Actually, as someone who would like a little land, I don't mind a small house. Now "tiny houses" are just dumb, but converted cargo containers, small(ish) cabins, and such - there's nothing wrong with those. Give someone an acre or 2, plonk one of those down, and let them use the rest of the land for farming? Instant(ish) self-reliance.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 14, 2015 12:59 PM (kff5f)

I saw something the other day where someone took a shipping container, lopped the top off, sank it into the ground and turned it into a swimming pool.

Posted by: alexthechick - Hair rays activate! at October 14, 2015 01:03 PM (mf5HN)

263 Communism is Stalin and Mao. Socialism is Volvos and European hipster guys with pony tails.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 14, 2015 01:00 PM (8ZskC)

Nah. Socialism is Communism Lite.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 14, 2015 01:03 PM (oKE6c)

264
Communism is Stalin and Mao. Socialism is Volvos and European hipster guys with ~~pony tails~~ man buns.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 14, 2015 01:00 PM (8ZskC)

Fixed for accuracy.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 14, 2015 01:03 PM (FsuaD)

265 Communism is Stalin and Mao. Socialism is Volvos and European hipster guys with pony tails.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 14, 2015 01:00 PM (8ZskC)

________

Heh. I grew up in Volvos and their Swedish cousin Saabs. My parents had one or the other as far back as I can remember. I think they were the 2 non-socialists who owned those cars, lol.

Volvo was bought by Ford and Saab was bought by GM and both of the brands were destroyed after the sale.

Saab was put to death by Obama when he took over GM in 2009.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 14, 2015 01:03 PM (0LHZx)

266 >> Military interventions were fine when it was Bill Clinton...

>> **looks at Hillary and gives a subtle wink**

As I've said before, Hillary lived through the UN Mogadishu stupidity under Bill.

Her evasions and stonewalling on Benghazi have been an effort to avoid the fate of Bill's SecDef Les Aspin in the aftermath thereof.

The email server thing is collateral damage, but it holes the Good Ship Hillary below the waterline I'll take it.

Posted by: JEM at October 14, 2015 01:04 PM (o+SC1)

267
With that in mind, Hillary Clinton is the class of the field on that stage, and the only real obstacle to the nomination that remains is a Joe Biden bid.

That must be why she's losing in the polls to Sanders and he was considered the winner last night. Because there are no obstacles to her inevitable victory.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 14, 2015 01:04 PM (39g3+)

268 I've got nothing against small houses; my point is that they don't want you to be able to have any house bigger than that.

True. And they want you crammed in a house that small while *not* having any land to use for yourself. I know that.

Also, the funniest news story I've ever heard was a guy who'd been building a "tiny house," and someone stole the house. I mean, I know that's horrible and my heart goes out to the guy, but you have to admit that's hilarious: grand theft: domicile.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 14, 2015 01:04 PM (kff5f)

269 As for the difference between socialism and communism:

A socialist thinks people can be persuaded, rationally, to give up all private property and allow the government to share any gains from their labor with lazy parasites.

A communist knows that people cannot be persuaded of this nonviolently, and so use extreme force to impose universal "equality" on everything; those who cannot be "broken" by violence or torture are summarily killed, until there is no opposition.

Posted by: zombie at October 14, 2015 01:04 PM (jBuUi)

270 >>I wonder if those who are mocking Webb realize that a Navy Cross isn't a cross you wear when you're in the Navy.

I know what the Navy Cross is. I also respect his service and his actions that resulted in the award. However, just as McCain's service I do not consider it a lifetime talisman against mocking more recently earned.

Posted by: Aviator at October 14, 2015 01:04 PM (c7vUv)

271 Socialism is Nazi Germany. That's the endgame, complete with the world war started to stave off economic collapse. Yay populism!

Posted by: a phoenician sailor at October 14, 2015 01:04 PM (uEmgg)

272 Furch yu imperialists. All we do now is sew your new shirts.

Posted by: Vietnamese Commie Dude at October 14, 2015 01:05 PM (OZmbA)

273 obviously 100% dinosaur socialist at this point

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So hiring Spielberg is paying off.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 14, 2015 01:05 PM (XUKZU)

274 Just after Germany reunified, I went to visit a city on what had previously been East Germany. As we came up to I saw the hills were covered with whatI thought were gardening sheds. Thousands of them.

Looked like they took a mobile home and sliced them like a loaf of bread. Really, they couldn't have been bigger than 10x12.

And that was where people were living.

They were tiny houses. Because that is what they could afford in a socialist paradise.

So I hear about tiny houses, that is what I think of.

Decline.

Posted by: blaster at October 14, 2015 01:05 PM (2Ocf1)

275 Communism is like Islam in that there will only be peace when the entire world submits.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 14, 2015 01:05 PM (rwI+c)

276 Expect to see more stories about this and tiny houses (which are really
just glorified mobile homes). They want upcoming generations to get
used to the idea that traditional home ownership is a thing of the past.

Of a piece with the Reds' pushing urban living. So much easier for Comrade Block Captain to keep an eye on potential counter-revolutionary elements.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 14, 2015 01:05 PM (oKE6c)

277 Socialism is the government controlling the economy.
Communism is no government at all with people sharing everything willingly and equally.

The first is tyranny, the second is moronic fantasy.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 14, 2015 01:05 PM (39g3+)

278 So we can call democRATS commies now!

Posted by: Killerdog at October 14, 2015 01:05 PM (HjK3+)

279 I saw something the other day where someone took a shipping container, lopped the top off, sank it into the ground and turned it into a swimming pool.

Posted by: alexthechick - Hair rays activate! at October 14, 2015 01:03 PM (mf5HN)

Okay first: What'd I miss WRT "Hair rays?"

Second: that seems... more difficult than the traditional way. At least with the custom built ones, the pump and filter and all of that figures in at the beginning. Also, I don't think most of those containers are water-tight on their own.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 14, 2015 01:06 PM (kff5f)

280 Where do these millenials live in their micro-housing?

One of the 57, 000 former factories closed after China being given permanent most favored trade status. Pushed by Bill Clinton.

I don't think the answer to their problem is putting another Clinton in the white house.

Posted by: se pa moron at October 14, 2015 01:06 PM (sI4OA)

281 As I get older, I find myself ever less enchanted with the labor involved into maintaining a large home. I could see myself retiring into one of these tiny abodes, provided that I chose to do so, not forced to by government diktat or because it's closer to where I need to line up for my toilet paper ration.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at October 14, 2015 01:06 PM (ppaKI)

282 Why wasn't Kasich there?

Posted by: wth - Czar Bomba at October 14, 2015 01:06 PM (wAQA5)

283 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 14, 2015 01:04 PM (kff5f)

I'm all about the small house thing when the wife and I finally save up enough to get our plot of land for summering in.
No reason to build a big place when the goal is to get down there and hang out.

But I'd like a bit more space in my primary residence. You know, to enjoy my life.
Is it selfish? Eh, probably. But that's between me and God, not me and Government.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at October 14, 2015 01:07 PM (tM4uk)

284 I was actually surprised that Cooper's questions were as pointed as they were. No fan of his for sure but he did press on answers mostly and this surprised me. He was no Gwen Ifill or Candy Whatshername.

I did turn it off after 40 minutes as I was too sober to continue listening to "Free Everything!".

Posted by: Cheri at October 14, 2015 01:08 PM (oiNtH)

285 I don't think the answer to their problem is putting another Clinton in the white house.

Unfortunately for the nation, cause and effect have no impact on LIV decision-making.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 14, 2015 01:08 PM (8ZskC)

286 Honestly, you Yankee running dog imperialists don't get our cuisine at all. I tried to eat "Obama pho", and it tasted metallic and gave me three chipped teeth.

Posted by: Ho Lee Fook, the Vietnamese guy Jim Webb killed at October 14, 2015 01:08 PM (kSWKO)

287 I wouldnt mind a tiny home if it was in a patch of land far from neighbors. However, expect the gov to get their pound of flesh by taxes and utility hikes.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at October 14, 2015 01:08 PM (iQIUe)

288 A communist knows that people cannot be
persuaded of this nonviolently, and so use extreme force to impose
universal "equality" on everything; those who cannot be "broken" by
violence or torture are summarily killed, until there is no opposition.

Posted by: zombie at October 14, 2015 01:04 PM (jBuUi)
They're killed, but it's for their own good.
Living in the Bay Area gives one particular insight into the minds of the hard-left, doesn't it?

Sometimes, in dealing with useful idiot liberals, I wish they had a glimmer of awareness of what they're de facto supporting.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 14, 2015 01:08 PM (oKE6c)

289 But I'd like a bit more space in my primary residence. You know, to enjoy my life.
Is it selfish? Eh, probably. But that's between me and God, not me and Government.

I don't even call it selfish. I just find (for myself) I enjoy sitting on a porch more relaxing than sitting inside. Small house: big f*cking wrap-around porch.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 14, 2015 01:08 PM (kff5f)

290 Harpy Joy Behar: "I'm Aroused By Bernie Sanders"

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TMI

Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 14, 2015 01:09 PM (XUKZU)

291 I propose an "amusement park" on the same model as "West World" where one can enjoy Socialism in full bloom. Equal pay for everybody regardless of output. No property ownership to speak of. Tiny apartments, long lines for food and toilet paper and a ration of vodka to make things tolerable. We can send our social justice warrior kids there and let them try out the shangri-la they are hankering for.

Posted by: Sphynx at October 14, 2015 01:09 PM (OZmbA)

292 The talk on Morning Joe was that she had one strategic goal in the debate -- to dissuade Biden from running -- and that she succeeded.

Bull. Look, Biden can't win the nomination without Obama's support. Obama can end the Hillary nomination with one little FBI indictment. Hillary will not be damaged without an indictment.

Biden gets in if and only if Obama makes it happen.

And in that case, it doesn't matter how late it is. The money guys, even if they love Bernie's policies, know he's a doddering old fool and a lot less compliant than Biden would be.

Biden plays the game. They'll take him in a second. They also think his ambush of Paul Ryan was a debate "win" and would replicate itself. By the third debate, Biden's schtick is worn thin.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 14, 2015 01:09 PM (Xd2w5)

293 I know what the Navy Cross is. I also respect his service and his actions that resulted in the award. However, just as McCain's service I do not consider it a lifetime talisman against mocking more recently earned.

Posted by: Aviator at October 14, 2015 01:04 PM (c7vUv)

Yeah but their mocking him specifically for recalling his service. That's uncalled for.
Mock him for forgetting his kids names? Yeah, sure.
But for saying "I got the better of the guy trying to kill me." No.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at October 14, 2015 01:09 PM (tM4uk)

294 Listening to the whooping, cheering, clapping seals in the audience was depressing as hell.

I can only imagine the average IQ in that crowd.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 14, 2015 01:09 PM (FsuaD)

295 The Debate Upshot: Since none of the candidates actually took a dump onstage, and all agreed on the advisability of that, Hillary is the next President (after a formality of an election) and the rest are running for VP.

-the MSM (translated)

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at October 14, 2015 01:10 PM (fb100)

296 In summary, for last night, nothing has really changed, except maybe for Joe Biden and Barack Obama laughing their asses off...

1. Jim Webb, the representative of non-urban White Democrats, was there as a token. He got the Two Minutes Hate, and he will gain no traction. Kind of sad, but he is the last banner-bearer of the pre-1968 Democrat Party.

2. Lincoln Chaffee was there to make the Hildabeast look good. He succeeded.

3. Bernie Sanders did well, which ought to make us all worry. But he pulled his punches on the Hildabeast, which will not help him in the long run. Is he expecting gratitude from her? His understudy didn't do very well.

4. The Hildabeast as usual got a lot of accolades and deference she didn't deserve. Everyone there ran away from the email controversy as Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy material. But she threw down a gauntlet to the Republicans, and she dodged hard questions whenever possible. So she is still not inevitable.

Posted by: exdem13 at October 14, 2015 01:10 PM (ry4ab)

297 Although according to (puts on hazmat suit) "Marxist theory" (takes off suit) socialism is merely the halfway transitional stage to communism.

Talk to any actual communist (and I'm spoken to hundreds of them throughout my life) and they inevitably will tell you that communism "has never been tried" because all the states we have falsely labelled "communist" throughout history have in fact been socialist states, who either fizzled and never graduated to full-on communism, or who are still in the process of getting there.

They still think that once your cross that threshhold from socialism to pure communism, all dissent, all poverty, all arguments, all problems will instantly dissolve and disappear and perfect utopia will obtain.

And the only thing preventing this from happening is "capitalism" (a totally made-up word inverted by [puts on hazmat suit] Karl Marx [takes off suit] to describe any naturally occurring economic system), embodied by the United States.

Posted by: zombie at October 14, 2015 01:10 PM (jBuUi)

298 I was actually surprised that Cooper's questions were as pointed as they were. No fan of his for sure but he did press on answers mostly and this surprised me. He was no Gwen Ifill or Candy Whatshername.

You think he just popped those questions on the candidates? They were handed out to Sanders and Clinton ahead of time for careful focus group study and answer crafting by spin doctors.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 14, 2015 01:10 PM (39g3+)

299 I know what the Navy Cross is. I also respect his service and his actions that resulted in the award. However, just as McCain's service I do not consider it a lifetime talisman against mocking more recently earned.
Posted by: Aviator at October 14, 2015 01:04 PM (c7vUv)

I was referring to those who were mocking Webb's actual military service, to say nothing about mocking why it is he was awarded a Navy Cross.

Posted by: alexthechick - Hair rays activate! at October 14, 2015 01:10 PM (mf5HN)

300 >>Mock him for forgetting his kids names? Yeah, sure.
But for saying "I got the better of the guy trying to kill me." No.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist

If someone here did that, I guess I missed it.

Posted by: Aviator at October 14, 2015 01:11 PM (c7vUv)

301 Although according to (puts on hazmat suit) "Marxist theory" (takes off suit) socialism is merely the halfway transitional stage to communism.

Yeah, its stage 2. 1 is revolution, then socialism, then communism. Of course, nobody ever gets to stage 3.

The clapping and cheering in the crowd doesn't surprise me, they were carefully hand picked to be the biggest supporters of the Dems. What is repulsive to me is reports of the Press Corps cheering and clapping like seals.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 14, 2015 01:12 PM (39g3+)

302 Of course smaller houses are a decline. The history of the world is moving into bigger and better homes. Owning your own property.

Posted by: SH at October 14, 2015 01:12 PM (lC04h)

303 Communism is socialism with the mask off.

Posted by: wth - Czar Bomba at October 14, 2015 01:12 PM (wAQA5)

304 282
Why wasn't Kasich there?

Posted by: wth - Czar Bomba at October 14, 2015 01:06 PM (wAQA5)

THREAD WINNER!

Posted by: Nip Sip at October 14, 2015 01:12 PM (jJRIy)

305 The reds are always into trains.

Socialism is extremely susceptible to communism because it puts the power to decide for many in the hands of fewer and fewer people.

Then you have to rest the fate of many on the supposed good character of a few.

Posted by: Zombie JFK at October 14, 2015 01:12 PM (mcm0N)

306 Why wasn't Kasich there?

Posted by: wth - Czar Bomba at October 14, 2015 01:06 PM (wAQA5)

In fairness, they didn't invite Jeb either.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 14, 2015 01:13 PM (kff5f)

307
Meanwhile, Iowa quietly arms its PARK RANGERS with M16 rifles

So.....Iowa isn't one big corn field?

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 14, 2015 01:13 PM (326rv)

308 So.....Iowa isn't one big corn field?

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 14, 2015 01:13 PM (326rv)

Of course not.

There are at least 4, and at least 1 Fair Grounds.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 14, 2015 01:14 PM (kff5f)

309 And in other news, the istock images online site is showing some mild lesbian action, so we've got that goin' for us.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 14, 2015 01:14 PM (326rv)

310 You think he just popped those questions on the candidates? They were handed out to Sanders and Clinton ahead of time for careful focus group study and answer crafting by spin doctors.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 14, 2015 01:10 PM (39g3+)

I love kabuki.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 14, 2015 01:14 PM (oKE6c)

311 299 I reserve the right to mock people with goofy heads.

Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2015 01:14 PM (6xtq3)

312 Posted by: bonhomme at October 14, 2015 12:51 PM (jhqr1)

Wiki on Roman Concrete

http://tinyurl.com/op7q7wg

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 14, 2015 01:14 PM (ftVQq)

313 Listening to the whooping, cheering, clapping seals in the audience was depressing as hell.

I can only imagine the average IQ in that crowd.
Posted by: Jane D'oh

Even worse, after the debate I turned the TV back on and it was still on CNN where some lady was doing a Frank Lutz style polling/question of some people that watched the debate. What a kennel club! I am pretty sure that if she had asked them how many of them like to smell their armpits and ate paste, half of them would have raised their hands.

Posted by: Cheri at October 14, 2015 01:14 PM (oiNtH)

314 Bernie Sanders isn't a serious candidate, he's a sponge being used to soak up the anti-Hillary vote. He's also in there to make her look moderate. He's the Washington Generals to her Harlem Globetrotters.

After 2008 she's not going to allow some upstart to come in and steal what's rightfully hers, so she has Sanders in there to make sure of it.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at October 14, 2015 01:14 PM (JxMoP)

315 Unless the Hildabeast is in jail, I think it's going to be Hillary-Chelsea 2016.

Posted by: centralscrutinizer at October 14, 2015 01:14 PM (vI+F1)

316 These folks, and especially Hillary, compete in out-lefting each other every time they take to the stage, and their electoral prospects are diminished accordingly.

Say, you don't suppose DWS knows that as well, do you?

Nahhhhhhh

Posted by: pep at October 14, 2015 01:15 PM (YXmuI)

317 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 14, 2015 01:08 PM (kff5f)

Yeah...you live in texas. Here we get about 10 good weeks of porch sitting a year if we're lucky.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at October 14, 2015 01:15 PM (tM4uk)

318 Of course smaller houses are a decline. The history of the world is moving into bigger and better homes. Owning your own property.

The Left insists that "people" (not them, but The Masses) must learn to make do with less. There is no bright future. There is only adjustment, compromise and deprivation. So get used to it.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 14, 2015 01:15 PM (8ZskC)

319 >> I mean, I know that's horrible and my heart goes out to the guy, but you have to admit that's hilarious: grand theft: domicile.

There's a tv show called "Tiny House Nation" and one of the couples they profiled bought the perfect tiny house in the woods. Yep, it was later stolen. That's the problem when your house has a trailer hitch@

Posted by: Lizzy at October 14, 2015 01:15 PM (NOIQH)

320 Interesting factoid. Chilean President Salvador Allende was a socialist, not a communist, before Pinochet and the military put an end to his version of Hope and Change. The communists were allies in his coalition govt. and, counter-intuitively, constantly urged him to slow down the the nationalizations and seizures and proceed more cautiously. Of course, he ignored this advice, wrecked the Chilean economy in the process and was, thankfully, killed in a coup that restored sanity and was overwhelmingly supported by Chileans, (despite the narrative the left has managed to create)

So remember everybody, socialists aren't AT ALL like communists, even if communists frequently call themselves socialists.

Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at October 14, 2015 01:15 PM (1BQGO)

321 The clapping and cheering in the crowd doesn't surprise me, they were carefully hand picked to be the biggest supporters of the Dems. What is repulsive to me is reports of the Press Corps cheering and clapping like seals.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 14, 2015 01:12 PM (39g3+)

This is how it starts.

It ends with everyone applauding for minutes on end, each person being afraid to be seen to have stopped first.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 14, 2015 01:15 PM (oKE6c)

322 I broke into Anderson Cooper's butt-plug database before the debate and changed the question paradigm so that I beat the Kobyashi Maru question.

Posted by: hilllary at October 14, 2015 01:15 PM (m1pMI)

323 Communism is Stalin and Mao. Socialism is Volvos and European hipster guys with pony tails.

No. Look, the scandis are not socialist. They have a massive welfare state, but they are happy parasites on capitalism.

"Socialism" is just hippie-dippie commune thinking. That we don't have to do communism full-on with the killing and such, we just have to do this other thing.

And let's face it, everybody except the super-greedy super-rich all want the same things, right? So we'll just put well-intentioned and brilliant people in charge (like Bernie) who have no bad human traits like greed or desire for domination because those are just results of greedy capitalism.

People are basically good, donchaknow?

Here's the thing, and Sweden is showing it: If you have a racial minority underclass, they have no guilt about receiving welfare or being indigent. Social Justice demands it. As those minorities get bigger, your welfare state is unsustainable.

That's why all of Bernie's examples are Scandanavia and not South America, where they have actual socialism. And empty shelves.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 14, 2015 01:15 PM (Xd2w5)

324 288
Sometimes, in dealing with useful idiot liberals, I wish they had a glimmer of awareness of what they're de facto supporting.
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Jay, those idiots cheering on La Revolucion last night only think of themselves as the ones doing the purging and the punishing. They don't ever see themselves as the ones getting purged and punished. A lot of Stalin's victims probably wondered what they had done to deserve such treatment, only realizing at the end that Stalin needed fall guys and dissenters to take the heat for his blunders and oppressions.

Posted by: exdem13 at October 14, 2015 01:16 PM (ry4ab)

325 ha

Jim Webb looks like the Evil Scientist in the Bugs Bunny cartoon

same bulging forehead, same deep-set eyes

Posted by: Feh at October 14, 2015 01:16 PM (P5j3n)

326 311
299 I reserve the right to mock people with goofy heads.

Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2015 01:14 PM (6xtq3)
You may kill me, capitalist dog, but I can still make your head look goofy.

Posted by: Ho Lee Fook, the Vietnamese guy Jim Webb killed at October 14, 2015 01:16 PM (kSWKO)

327 >>>Talk to any actual communist (and I'm spoken to hundreds of them throughout my life) and they inevitably will tell you that communism "has never been tried"

Oh yes, I've had that conversation many times. I respond by pointing out that it was certainly fully tried in Cambodia. Communism was taken to its logical conclusion there and we know too well of the horrors that resulted.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at October 14, 2015 01:16 PM (ppaKI)

328 I had forgotten how big Jim Webb's head is. Did the Marines even bother trying to find a helmet that fit him?

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at October 14, 2015 01:16 PM (nFdGS)

329 >>322 I broke into Anderson Cooper's butt-plug database before the debate and changed the question paradigm so that I beat the Kobyashi Maru question.

Posted by: hilllary<<

Heh. Facebook Like, Facebook Like

Posted by: Sphynx at October 14, 2015 01:17 PM (OZmbA)

330 Posted by: Aviator at October 14, 2015 01:11 PM (c7vUv)

Check the thread update. Context.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at October 14, 2015 01:17 PM (tM4uk)

331 If Comrade Obama knew what was going on in the camps, I'm sure he would free us!

Posted by: socialist true believer at October 14, 2015 01:17 PM (m1pMI)

332 It also leads to a weak defensive posture, because politicians almost always end up prioritizing their own survival and buy votes.

It is quite possible the Euro experiment has worked and has not been gobbled up by the Russian Bear is because it has been falsely propped up by the protective umbrella of the United States via NATO.

Posted by: Zombie JFK at October 14, 2015 01:17 PM (mcm0N)

333 >>The Left insists that "people" (not them, but The Masses) must learn to
make do with less. There is no bright future. There is only adjustment,
compromise and deprivation. So get used to it.

This is why Lefties like Bloomberg are so gung-ho on "micro-housing". They're not envisioning tiny house on plot of land, they want tiny "micro-apartments" stacked up to the skies, cramming more people/more taxpayers into their city, who will then eat out at restaurants that serve the approved foods, go to work using public transportation, etc. Seems more like city-camps that living the American dream.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 14, 2015 01:18 PM (NOIQH)

334
Listening to the whooping, cheering, clapping seals in the audience was depressing as hell.
............................

They were there for the free fish.

Posted by: wth - Czar Bomba at October 14, 2015 01:18 PM (wAQA5)

335 bears reposting:

communists = fascists
socialists = communists
democrats = socialists
gope = democrats
libertarians = republicans of yore?
tea party = constitutionalists, realists, etc.

Posted by: Feh at October 14, 2015 01:18 PM (P5j3n)

336 >> Volvo was bought by Ford and Saab was bought by GM and
>> both of the brands were destroyed after the sale.

Ford went through something of an acquisition spree, they bought Jaguar, then hired an Anglophile former BMW exec who'd been shown the door after his UK acquisitions proved more troublesome than the Quandt family had expected. He then bought Land Rover off of BMW, and Volvo (which squashed an embryonic effort at actually elevating Lincoln to a premium nameplate), but when all of this proved to require capital Ford didn't have they also canned him and he went off to run a German industrial-gas outfit.

Land Rover got sold off to the Indians, and Volvo got sold off to the Chinese, and Lincoln reverted to being a bedpan joke. Ford management at the time was insufficiently ruthless in combining Jag and Land Rover and bringing the unions to heel, and current Mulally-era Ford is not interested in the capital investment needed to run a high-end brand.

GM bought a chunk of Saab a long time ago, bought a little more and took effective ownership in '91-92. GM was doing a lot of stupid things at this point, they spun up Saturn and then starved it for capital investment and new product, and the story with Saab was the same. Some Chinese outfit bought up the bones.

It took another decade before GM began to realize the kind of investment and the kind of effort needed to compete in the upper half of the market, much of the current Cadillac line is actually competitive here now (somethng you can't say about any Lincoln product) but they're still struggling in Europe all across the line.

Posted by: JEM at October 14, 2015 01:18 PM (o+SC1)

337 Sometimes, in dealing with useful idiot liberals, I wish they had a glimmer of awareness of what they're de facto supporting.

Hit them upside their head and take their wallet.
Repeat next week.
And again.
And again.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 14, 2015 01:18 PM (REkPr)

338 Jay, those idiots cheering on La Revolucion last night only think of themselves as the ones doing the purging and the punishing.

It's always the French Revolution.

Over and over again.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 14, 2015 01:18 PM (Xd2w5)

339 So remember everybody, socialists aren't AT ALL like communists, even if communists frequently call themselves socialists.

Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at October 14, 2015 01:15 PM (1BQGO)
I beg to differ. I think the difference here was tactical, not fundamental. Commies - barring, e.g., Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht - are usually pretty good at sniffing the wind, and in Chile realized that Allende was risking everything by proceeding too quickly. But they supported exactly what he was doing; they just wanted a "softly softly catchee monkey" approach.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 14, 2015 01:19 PM (oKE6c)

340 Okay first: What'd I miss WRT "Hair rays?"

Second: that seems... more difficult than the traditional way. At least with the custom built ones, the pump and filter and all of that figures in at the beginning. Also, I don't think most of those containers are water-tight on their own.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 14, 2015 01:06 PM (kff5f)

The hair rays is a slam on the notion that women must be covered up because their hair gives out mystical rays that make men rape them.

I didn't look into the shipping container pool thing closely but I will admit I assumed it involved someone who a. had access to a shipping container, II. had access to a back hoe and C. wanted a pool who then went oh heeeeyyyy.

Posted by: alexthechick - Hair rays activate! at October 14, 2015 01:19 PM (mf5HN)

341 the whole "Sweden is paradise, the US sucks!" idea needs to die, violently, now, past due

Posted by: Feh at October 14, 2015 01:19 PM (P5j3n)

342 Posted by: AmishDude at October 14, 2015 01:15 PM (Xd2w5)

And states that have successfully exploited their natural resource reserves to fund said socialism. Don't forget that too.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at October 14, 2015 01:19 PM (tM4uk)

343 >>A lot of Stalin's victims probably wondered what they had done to deserve such treatment, only realizing at the end that Stalin needed fall guys and dissenters to take the heat for his blunders and oppressions.

A lot of his victims went to their grave thinking that it was a mistake made by functionaries and if only Uncle Joe knew he would save them.

Posted by: Aviator at October 14, 2015 01:20 PM (c7vUv)

344 302 Of course smaller houses are a decline. The history of the world is moving into bigger and better homes. Owning your own property.

Posted by: SH at October 14, 2015 01:12 PM (lC04h)

This was true for decades, but now, it's reversing.

The millennials coming of age can't change the tire on their car. They've never held a screwdriver or hammer and can't cope with even minor items.

These are people who will trend toward rentals so that there is someone (surrogate parent) to call and say something's broke - come fix it.

Of course, I have a plan for selling housing to these people, but you'll need to send me a lot of money to hear it.

Posted by: jwest at October 14, 2015 01:20 PM (Zs4uk)

345 341
the whole "Sweden is paradise, the US sucks!" idea needs to die, violently, now, past due

Posted by: Feh at October 14, 2015 01:19 PM (P5j3n)
I can think of one way to make that happen...

Posted by: Vladimir Putin at October 14, 2015 01:20 PM (kSWKO)

346 >>Listening to the whooping, cheering, clapping seals in the audience was depressing as hell.

Oh, don't take that seriously. I don't know how many thousands the venue holds, but they limited the # of outside tickets to 100-150. And that's at CU Boulder, so naturally these few attendees were Lefty freaks.
The rest in attendance were guests of the people on stage.
All theater, nothing spontaneous.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 14, 2015 01:20 PM (NOIQH)

347
Does Saab make a diesel sedan? My neighbors car which appears to be late model sounds like a truck every time he starts it or drives pass.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at October 14, 2015 01:20 PM (iQIUe)

348 Oh yes, I've had that conversation many times. I
respond by pointing out that it was certainly fully tried in Cambodia.
Communism was taken to its logical conclusion there and we know too well
of the horrors that resulted.

Posted by: Citizen Cake at October 14, 2015 01:16 PM (ppaKI)

Ah, but they were not true ~~Scotsmen~~ Communists.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 14, 2015 01:21 PM (oKE6c)

349 Webb looks like a big talking Johnson.

Posted by: Zombie JFK at October 14, 2015 01:21 PM (mcm0N)

350 The hair rays is a slam on the notion that women must be covered up because their hair gives out mystical rays that make men rape them.

Oh. Like the mind control rays guns have to make people murder with them. Gotcha.

I didn't look into the shipping container pool thing closely but I will admit I assumed it involved someone who a. had access to a shipping container, II. had access to a back hoe and C. wanted a pool who then went oh heeeeyyyy.

I'm also seeing a heavy dose of "Hold my beer and watch this."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 14, 2015 01:21 PM (kff5f)

351 341 the whole "Sweden is paradise, the US sucks!" idea needs to die, violently, now, past due
Posted by: Feh at October 14, 2015 01:19 PM (P5j3n)

We're on it.

Posted by: Muslim dirtbags at October 14, 2015 01:22 PM (oKE6c)

352 Hasn't Sweden renounced socialism? Or am I mistaken?

Posted by: Sphynx at October 14, 2015 01:22 PM (OZmbA)

353 341
the whole "Sweden is paradise, the US sucks!" idea needs to die, violently, now, past due

Posted by: Feh at October 14, 2015 01:19 PM (P5j3n)

Husband and I briefly, very briefly, visited Malmo. Send the LIV's to Malmo.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 14, 2015 01:22 PM (FsuaD)

354 Sweden has been sitting pretty on cheap hydro energy, like Iceland sits on geothermal. Plus, like most euroweenie countries, they have low to no defense expenditures, correct? Plus, for most of their history, their population has been homogeneous, stable, and resident.

Seems to me this means "no comparison with the US is possible."

But the dream of Free Shit for Everyone! dies hard, don't it.

Posted by: Feh at October 14, 2015 01:22 PM (P5j3n)

355 They're not even going for tiny houses really, more like everybody cheek to jowl in apartments, which you don't own yet pay for. And there fore have no equity or money to pass on to your descendants.

Except for the elite, who will have their mansions.

Seriously, all they're building is apartment complexes, no starter homes. I don't mean a big house, even just a 2 bedroom that you move out of as your family grows. Everything in my area is either 300K+ houses that are huge, yet on tiny plots of land, or enormous apartment complexes in every nook and cranny they can be fit.

Posted by: nnptcgrad at October 14, 2015 01:23 PM (aVYsC)

356 Does Saab make a diesel sedan? My neighbors car which appears to be late model sounds like a truck every time he starts it or drives pass.

Out of concern for the environment, Saabs are powered by exclusively by rainbows, unicorn farts and love.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 14, 2015 01:23 PM (8ZskC)

357 Most of Sweden's center right parties now want to join NATO.

Fancy that.

Posted by: Zombie JFK at October 14, 2015 01:23 PM (mcm0N)

358 These are people who will trend toward rentals so that there is someone (surrogate parent) to call and say something's broke - come fix it.

Of course, I have a plan for selling housing to these people, but you'll need to send me a lot of money to hear it.

No rentals. You want? You buy. Something breaks? You pay me $$$$ to come fix it.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 14, 2015 01:23 PM (REkPr)

359 Visit for the scenery, stay for the rape!

Posted by: Malmo at October 14, 2015 01:23 PM (2Ojst)

360 Does Sweden allow big giant cartoonish goofy heads on people?

Posted by: Weasel at October 14, 2015 01:23 PM (6xtq3)

361 342 Posted by: AmishDude at October 14, 2015 01:15 PM (Xd2w5)

And states that have successfully exploited their natural resource reserves to fund said socialism. Don't forget that too.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at October 14, 2015 01:19 PM (tM4uk)

E.g., Norway, which will revert to selling lutefisk and wood when the North Sea oil runs dry.

Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at October 14, 2015 01:24 PM (RD7QR)

362 Most of Sweden's center right parties now want to join NATO.

Fancy that.

#FU2Late.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 14, 2015 01:24 PM (REkPr)

363 357 Most of Sweden's center right parties now want to join NATO.

Fancy that.
Posted by: Zombie JFK at October 14, 2015 01:23 PM (mcm0N)

I did that.

Posted by: Reality at October 14, 2015 01:25 PM (o8n43)

364 >> Does Sweden allow big giant cartoonish goofy heads on people?

Do hijabs count?

Posted by: JEM at October 14, 2015 01:25 PM (o+SC1)

365 What is repulsive to me is reports of the Press Corps cheering and clapping like seals.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 14, 2015 01:12 PM (39g3+)

Which is why the next GOP president (ha!) should pull every one of their press passes and turn the briefing room back into a pool.

"You want press conferences? You want access? FYNQ. You're the fucking enemy and you can go pound sand."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 14, 2015 01:25 PM (X6fMO)

366 >>360 Does Sweden allow big giant cartoonish goofy heads on people?

Posted by: Weasel at<<

On behalf of Jim Webb and myself, I resent that remark.

Posted by: Newt Gingrich at October 14, 2015 01:25 PM (OZmbA)

367 357 Most of Sweden's center right parties now want to join NATO.

Fancy that.
Posted by: Zombie JFK at October 14, 2015 01:23 PM (mcm0N)

I think they've grown attached to Gotland, which the Russkies would like to use as a base when they get around to invading Latvia/Lithuania/Estonia.

Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at October 14, 2015 01:25 PM (RD7QR)

368 I mean, I know that's horrible and my heart goes out to the guy, but you have to admit that's hilarious: grand theft: domicile.

That's going to be one booooring video game.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 14, 2015 01:26 PM (LUgeY)

369 292
The talk on Morning Joe was that she had one strategic goal in the
debate -- to dissuade Biden from running -- and that she succeeded.

Bull. Look, Biden can't win the nomination without Obama's support.
Obama can end the Hillary nomination with one little FBI indictment.
Hillary will not be damaged without an indictment.

Biden gets in if and only if Obama makes it happen.

And in that case, it doesn't matter how late it is. The money guys,
even if they love Bernie's policies, know he's a doddering old fool and a
lot less compliant than Biden would be.

Biden plays the game. They'll take him in a second. They also think
his ambush of Paul Ryan was a debate "win" and would replicate itself.
By the third debate, Biden's schtick is worn thin.
---------
For starters, what the Morning Joe crew knows about political and military tactics could be written on a 3x5 card and still leave room for everyone's coffee order from Starbucks.

but I agree with our amish dude that Obummer can end Shrillary as a serious candidate. Biden is an old kook, yeah, but as said above, he plays the game, and knows when to stop with the demagoguery. Sanders is a True Believer, so he has no hope of success. None of the others can hope to reach the Convention as a candidate, let alone the nominee. And as for Shrillary, she has too much baggage, and Obummer hates her and Bill. I am thinking that Obummer has gotten the advice to hold his hand until early next year, and then drop the legal hammer so it dominates the news cycle. Shrillary will spend all of Iowa and New Hampshire refuting it. If she gets in a hissy fit and turns on The Obamessiah, she is done. Biden will laugh all the way to the Convention.

Posted by: exdem13 at October 14, 2015 01:27 PM (ry4ab)

370 Jay, those idiots cheering on La Revolucion last
night only think of themselves as the ones doing the purging and the
punishing. They don't ever see themselves as the ones getting purged and
punished.

Posted by: exdem13 at October 14, 2015 01:16 PM (ry4ab)

Leftists have an amazing blind spot in that regard, don't they? How many times have you heard leftists say (in essence) the government should suppress, e.g., Fox News or Rush Limbaugh, little realizing that the same government but with different politics could equally well suppress the NYT and CNN?
If you mention that possibility to a leftist, they look at you as though you'd just unbuttoned your collar and a second head had sprung out.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 14, 2015 01:27 PM (oKE6c)

371

Sounds like I didn't miss anything.

The loyal followers won't notice the fakeness and lies. They are all one in the same. At all costs. They believe in the faux stances and lies.

The voters are no better than the candidates.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 14, 2015 01:28 PM (qCMvj)

372 did Hillary actually say she wants US jets enforcing a no-fly zone in Syria, and to confront Russian jets?

she's a fucking lunatic

Posted by: Feh at October 14, 2015 01:28 PM (P5j3n)

373
Plus, their bikini team needs a tan.

Posted by: wth - Czar Bomba at October 14, 2015 01:28 PM (wAQA5)

374 369
292

The talk on Morning Joe was that she had one strategic goal in the

debate -- to dissuade Biden from running -- and that she succeeded.

Heh. God love you! (starts giving Mika Brzezinski an unsolicited back rub)

Posted by: Joe Biden at October 14, 2015 01:28 PM (kSWKO)

375 341 the whole "Sweden is paradise, the US sucks!" idea needs to die, violently, now, past due
Posted by: Feh at October 14, 2015 01:19 PM (P5j3n)
____________________

Check out this Daily Mail story about how doctors in Sweden have been performing invasive "virginity" exams on "Swedish" girls.

If you're thinking it's odd that all those "Swedish" girls are wearing Muslim head coverings, you're not alone.

http://tinyurl.com/o82ruom

Sweden isn't even Swedish anymore.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at October 14, 2015 01:30 PM (a31sM)

376 Oh great I get tunnel vision on this damn device now I see Bandersnatch's correction --cripes. Why England Slept.

***

rick

Kind of want to say the same thing, they don't even have the best chocolate, but they are the backdoor to Norway and their oil and iron ore deposits,IIRC

Posted by: Zombie JFK at October 14, 2015 01:30 PM (mcm0N)

377
Hilary blows the dog whistle and the trained seals of the press bark in unison. How ordinary.
Anderson Cooper is of course, as top (water) dog, the Seal of Approval.

Posted by: Put that kid back where it came from or So Help Me at October 14, 2015 01:30 PM (HPNqc)

378 "Leftists have an amazing blind spot in that regard, don't they?"

"Useful idiots" always overestimate their permanence.

Posted by: Qoheleth at October 14, 2015 01:31 PM (iIzG7)

379 The only reason Jim Webb was elected because of the George Allen mecaca controversy and his embarrassing histrionics against the Iraq War. To make matters worse, he voted in favor of Obamacare. If Jim Webb is a blue dog, he's a dog that's been neutered.

However, Webb is definitely out of step with the trajectory of the Democratic Party. A few years ago he did write an interesting, yet wrong-headed NYT editorial advocating a kind of affirmative action based on class instead of race. That of course will never happen, considering the current trajectory of the international party of free stuff.

Posted by: Wendy at October 14, 2015 01:31 PM (bpemY)

380
"Husband and I briefly, very briefly, visited Malmo. Send the LIV's to Malmo."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 14, 2015 01:22 PM (FsuaD)

Malmo used to be such a great town. Back in my corporate days, our biggest customer was in Landskrona, just north of Malmo, but since the better hotels were in Malmo we would stay there.

It was the perfect Swedish town, but this was the early and mid '90s. Even then there was a little talk about foreigners on the north end of town, but nothing like now.

Posted by: jwest at October 14, 2015 01:31 PM (Zs4uk)

381 >>>This was true for decades, but now, it's reversing.

The millennials coming of age can't change the tire on their car.
<<<

Silly, we don't even have (or want) a car.

**crawls back into bed in his footie pjs with a pumpkin spice latte**

Posted by: Modern "Man" at October 14, 2015 01:31 PM (lqmAz)

382 I once did business with a guy from Russia. He came here to buy machines. This was around '97. When he left for home, he had 4 suitcases full of Levi's. There were selling $150 a pair in Moscow. And he was the son of a wealthy oil exec.

He couldn't believe how great our "plumbing" was.

Posted by: GBruno at October 14, 2015 01:33 PM (u49WF)

383 jwest

sounds like ever since Bildt's moderates were defeated by the socialists, things went downhill fast

Posted by: Feh at October 14, 2015 01:34 PM (P5j3n)

384 I propose an "amusement park" on the same model as "West World" where one can enjoy Socialism in full bloom.

I like that. How about a communist summer camp that every kid has to waste his 16th summer attending, with a Council of Campers deciding how much everybody gets for food/clothing/quarters no matter how hard they work. Or don't work. Might just cure them of voting Democrat.

Posted by: Socratease at October 14, 2015 01:34 PM (FqHs5)

385 338
Jay, those idiots cheering on La Revolucion last night only think of themselves as the ones doing the purging and the punishing.

It's always the French Revolution.

Over and over again.
--------------------
They seem bound and determined to "get it right" each time. But as always the baser inclinations of human nature get tossed aside as being of no concern. Give the State power over everything...and end up with nothing in return.

Posted by: exdem13 at October 14, 2015 01:34 PM (ry4ab)

386 Sweden has been sitting pretty on cheap hydro energy, like Iceland sits
on geothermal. Plus, like most euroweenie countries, they have low to no
defense expenditures, correct? Plus, for most of their history, their
population has been homogeneous, stable, and resident.

Sweden used to be basically one large extended family, of which Iceland is the extreme example. Socialism works within a family, as all the members have blood ties to each other, and can kinda work in a homogeneous nation, whose members have weaker but still existent blood ties to each other.

But when that's no longer true, and there are no blood ties, the natural human temptation is to go "us, them," viz., for one group to take advantage of the other, and the other to resent it. The U.S. used to get around this problem through the melting pot, inculcating citizens in their identity as Americans, rather than as members of a tribe.

But now we have destroyed the melting pot, and have rampant tribalism that guarantees friction between groups jockeying for advantage. Yay diversity!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 14, 2015 01:34 PM (oKE6c)

387 "did Hillary actually say she wants US jets enforcing a no-fly zone in Syria, and to confront Russian jets? she's a fucking lunatic"

That is the Chris Christie position also. Right down the line.

The thing that US jets will also be confronting in Syria will be Russian triple-digit SAM systems, which are nasty as hell, and visibly worry Air Force planners.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 14, 2015 01:35 PM (noWW6)

388 joncelli

Isn't Russia also pestering them with subs?

Posted by: Zombie JFK at October 14, 2015 01:35 PM (mcm0N)

389 I like that. How about a communist summer camp that every kid has to waste his 16th summer attending, with a Council of Campers deciding how much everybody gets for food/clothing/quarters no matter how hard they work. Or don't work. Might just cure them of voting Democrat.

Where half work like dogs and half don't lift a finger. Yet everyone gets the same.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 14, 2015 01:36 PM (REkPr)

390 Sweden has been sitting pretty on cheap hydro energy, like Iceland sits on geothermal.

Posted by: Feh at October 14, 2015 01:22 PM (P5j3n)

*clambers up on tallest soapbox*

OMFG OMFG OMFG

Okay. So. Apparently Iceland will be transitioning to all geothermal by 2020 or something like that. I read an article about it and was all oh that's awesome and makes sense when your country is a volcano. I also thought yay left the country, the one that is sitting on top of a volcano, go to geothermal, powered by the volcano what it is on top of, and work out the kinks and then non-vulcanic places can yoink that to lose later.

Then. THEN.

Some bint who wrote for, oh, I'm going to assume it was the Guardian because it's so stupid it must be the Guardian, wrote this whiny, whiny, whiny piece about omg Iceland is going all geothermal why can't the UK?

I literally screamed at my monitor BECAUSE ICELAND IS A VOLCANO YOU OXYGEN THIEF!

The stupid. It burns us, my precious.

*pant pant pant pant pant*

Bander, be a dear and fetch me some tea, s'il vous plait?

Posted by: alexthechick - Hair rays activate! at October 14, 2015 01:37 PM (mf5HN)

391 "Check out this Daily Mail story about how doctors in Sweden have been performing invasive "virginity" exams on "Swedish" girls. If you're thinking it's odd that all those "Swedish" girls are wearing Muslim head coverings, you're not alone."

Not all that long ago, it came out that a Muslim immigrant doctor working for the National Health Service in the UK had been performing numerous clitoridectomies. At his medical job in Britain. On the public time, on the public dime, in NHS hospitals, undetected.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 14, 2015 01:37 PM (noWW6)

392 388 joncelli

Isn't Russia also pestering them with subs?
Posted by: Zombie JFK at October 14, 2015 01:35 PM (mcm0N)

Yep, numerous incursions over the past year or so. I recently saw something about the Swedes having a joint antisubmarine warfare exercise with the US Navy. Sending a signal, I think.

Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at October 14, 2015 01:37 PM (RD7QR)

393 333This is
why Lefties like Bloomberg are so gung-ho on "micro-housing". They're
not envisioning tiny house on plot of land, they want tiny
"micro-apartments" stacked up to the skies, cramming more people/more
taxpayers into their city, who will then eat out at restaurants that
serve the approved foods, go to work using public transportation, etc.
Seems more like city-camps that living the American dream.
------------
The synonym for micro-housing that we use out here on the banks of the Great Miami is mobile home community. Or trailer park if one is a limousine liberal being condescending about one's spouse's choice of extra-marital dates.

Posted by: exdem13 at October 14, 2015 01:38 PM (ry4ab)

394 The hair rays is a slam on the notion that women must be covered up because their hair gives out mystical rays that make men rape them.

My own rather snotty thought is that the coverings are a barrier to head lice and other wonderful critters. As civilization and sanitation becomes more prevalent, the necessity of head coverings becomes moot.

Posted by: mustbequantum at October 14, 2015 01:38 PM (MIKMs)

395 Oooh just checked out Gotland on a map. My, my that would be a sweet little property for Putin to own.

Posted by: Zombie JFK at October 14, 2015 01:39 PM (mcm0N)

396 Some bint who wrote for, oh, I'm going to assume it was the Guardian because it's so stupid it must be the Guardian

Hey, what about me?

Posted by: Salon at October 14, 2015 01:39 PM (kSWKO)

397 "did Hillary actually say she wants US jets enforcing a no-fly zone in Syria, and to confront Russian jets? she's a fucking lunatic"

That is the Chris Christie position also. Right down the line.

The thing that US jets will also be confronting in Syria will be Russian triple-digit SAM systems, which are nasty as hell, and visibly worry Air Force planners.

Posted by: torquewrench

And we'd be flying from where exactly?

Turkey just got told to fuck off by Gazprom and Russians are overflying THEM.

Iraq is a mess, which we're deliberately ignoring.

Syria is still largely controlled by the reformer/tyrant/whoinHell knows Assad.....who is getting direct backing from...the Russians.

Israel? We're blaming them for the latest round of terorrism.

KSA? They're busy getting nukes from Pakistan.

Iran?

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 14, 2015 01:40 PM (326rv)

398 But for saying "I got the better of the guy trying to kill me." No.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at October 14, 2015 01:09 PM (tM4uk)

-----

He didn't answer the question.

Posted by: Seems Legit at October 14, 2015 01:40 PM (Xa4vS)

399 For an idea of the world the left wants,see Soylent Green.

Posted by: steevy at October 14, 2015 01:40 PM (8HTq1)

400 I'm late - but I wasn't mocking his service. I dislike the way he swerved around, shifted his feet and his facial expressions - it made it seem like he was trying to appear non-threatening, or lessen the impact of what he was saying. I dislike it when anyone does it. I prefer when someone stands straight, still and delivers their message directly without apologizing, in a way, through their body language.

Posted by: Adrienne at October 14, 2015 01:40 PM (lVcuh)

401 I'm late - but I wasn't mocking his service. I dislike the way he swerved around, shifted his feet and his facial expressions - it made it seem like he was trying to appear non-threatening, or lessen the impact of what he was saying. I dislike it when anyone does it. I prefer when someone stands straight, still and delivers their message directly without apologizing, in a way, through their body language.

Posted by: Adrienne at October 14, 2015 01:40 PM (lVcuh)

402 "this whiny, whiny, whiny piece about omg Iceland is going all geothermal why can't the UK?"

Same sort of shit, in what I recall as having been the _Telegraph_, wherein an ecoholic loon was saying that, well, the Norwegians get an amazing percentage of their electric power from hydroelectric dams, so the UK should wise up and follow their example.

The absolutely massive abundance of steep mountain valleys in Norway compared to the comparative paucity of same in the UK? Not apparently a feature of this gentleman's thinking.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 14, 2015 01:41 PM (noWW6)

403 *pant pant pant pant pant*

alexthechick - Hair rays activate!

Go on....

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at October 14, 2015 01:41 PM (/Ho8c)

404
I propose an "amusement park" on the same model as "West World" where one can enjoy Socialism in full bloom.

I like that. How about a communist summer camp that every kid has to waste his 16th summer attending, with a Council of Campers deciding how much everybody gets for food/clothing/quarters no matter how hard they work. Or don't work. Might just cure them of voting Democrat.
Posted by: Socratease
.............................

I call it Fun Camp.

Posted by: Hillary!s feet at October 14, 2015 01:41 PM (wAQA5)

405 jay

that's deeply and disturbingly true

this is all orchestrated -- I've talked to EU and UN officials who are quite open about their intentions

the goal is to make nation-states look like small provincial towns, to force international and inter-racial mixing, to obliterate borders, and to govern it all at the global level

at this someone can shout "tinfoil!" all they want, and for whatever reason, but this is the reality

not everyone is a Grand Schemer like this, but some are, and they're using the disconnected impulses in everyone else to make things bend toward global governance and plutocracy

at the rate things are going, I'll probably live to see it

Posted by: Feh at October 14, 2015 01:42 PM (P5j3n)

406 But doesn't hydro power kill or inconvenience fish anyway?The left is not really in favor of any power.Except for them of course.

Posted by: steevy at October 14, 2015 01:42 PM (8HTq1)

407 "[a] small, but completely ignored, demographic in the Democrat party -- the white non-gentry liberal vote. Most whites in the Democrat party are gentry liberals, but not all of them"

My understanding was that a plank at the next convention would take care of this problem by saying non-gentry whites are all just "angry", so by law can be ignored. Sort of a social bill of attainder.

I believe the part where they had to register themselves as race offenders with the police got pulled.

Posted by: Horatius at October 14, 2015 01:43 PM (UKhBB)

408 Yep, Saw something to that effect.

Speaking of naval exercises and islands looks like we are going to do a sweep by China's newly built ones.

For awhile there was this crazy ass story that a Navy Admiral decided to do some things on his own without Obama's approval, and Obama had to make him change his plans.

Sure uh huh.

Posted by: Zombie JFK at October 14, 2015 01:43 PM (mcm0N)

409

If you watched Bernie tell everyone that America is sick of hearing about Hillary's emails......watch her cackling response. That's our next President.

Between that statement from Sanders and the gift from McCarthy, the shine has totally come back to the HRC campaign.

Posted by: GBruno at October 14, 2015 01:45 PM (u49WF)

410 "And we'd be flying from where exactly?"

Udeid would be my assumption for ground based aircraft.

Note also that American military aviation in the Middle East have gotten used to being able to maintain tanker tracks without difficulty. The sort of thing that's easy when you spend years fighting an enemy without an air force: there is guaranteed air superiority and its correlates like riskless tanker ops.

The Russians have an air force. And they have tactical doctrines and weapons _specifically designed_ to pick off tankers (and AWACS and such) at very long distances.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 14, 2015 01:45 PM (noWW6)

411 The absolutely massive abundance of steep mountain valleys in Norway compared to the comparative paucity of same in the UK? Not apparently a feature of this gentleman's thinking.

97% of climate scientists disagree.

Posted by: seirra club spokesman at October 14, 2015 01:46 PM (sI4OA)

412 Posted by: torquewrench at October 14, 2015 01:41 PM (noWW6)

Next on Vox: Geography and Physics are Racist, and here's why...

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 14, 2015 01:46 PM (kff5f)

413
"Some bint who wrote for, oh, I'm going to assume it was the Guardian because it's so stupid it must be the Guardian

Hey, what about me?-- Salon"

He said stupid, not barking insane.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at October 14, 2015 01:47 PM (+aCe4)

414 Rush is making the point that we are in a depression that is being papered over by the Federal Government and the Federal Reserve.

We are living on borrowed money, and borrowed time.

And the democrats believe this perpetual motion machine will go on forever.

Posted by: Nathen Filgrim at October 14, 2015 01:47 PM (/QJFA)

415 355
They're not even going for tiny houses really, more like everybody cheek
to jowl in apartments, which you don't own yet pay for. And there fore
have no equity or money to pass on to your descendants.

Except for the elite, who will have their mansions.

Seriously, all they're building is apartment complexes, no starter
homes. I don't mean a big house, even just a 2 bedroom that you move out
of as your family grows. Everything in my area is either 300K+ houses
that are huge, yet on tiny plots of land, or enormous apartment
complexes in every nook and cranny they can be fit.
--------------
This is true, the 2-bedroom "starter house" is an antique. Unless one means "townhouse" or "condominium", which of course is not the same thing! But I agree, current 'burbs construction is one of three things:
1. Homearama mansions for the elites who can use the mortgage as equity and tax soak.
2. McMansions for wanna-be elites who like treading financial water until they are ready to retire.
3. Two-bedroom apartments with the same amount of room as a single-wide, stacked liked Pringles cans in little warrens with not enough parking spaces.

(Nobody pays attention to the micro-home communities around here though. No mirar y no escuchar mas, comprende amigos>

Posted by: exdem13 at October 14, 2015 01:47 PM (ry4ab)

416 "US jets will also be confronting in Syria will be Russian triple-digit SAM systems, which are nasty as hell, and visibly worry Air Force planners"

torque, this may be WHY Hillary wants to put US jets in harm's way

I don't assume ANY international socialist actually wants to pursue "US interests" and defend US lives

the opposite would be preferable to them: get the US involved in all kinds of cocked-up damaging shit abroad, and then turn around, feign innocence, with the protection of CNN et al, and say "oh how AWFUL war is, see? see? we should now withdraw US forces from blah blah blah"

the whole idea is to use whatever crises to reduce American power and influence

tinfoil? nah, these are hard-left globalist socialists -- ungainly as the words may be

Posted by: Feh at October 14, 2015 01:47 PM (P5j3n)

417 Same sort of shit, in what I recall as having been the _Telegraph_, wherein an ecoholic loon was saying that, well, the Norwegians get an amazing percentage of their electric power from hydroelectric dams, so the UK should wise up and follow their example.

The absolutely massive abundance of steep mountain valleys in Norway compared to the comparative paucity of same in the UK? Not apparently a feature of this gentleman's thinking.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 14, 2015 01:41 PM (noWW6)

You know, I assumed it was the Guardian but it sounds like the same article because I remember a bit about after all Norway does hydroelectric and I was all BECAUSE NORWAY HAS THE FJORDS FOR WHICH YOU SHOULD PINE!

*pantpantpant*

Oh oh shit like that upsets me because I am an actual conservationist and I long for the day when the tech reaches the point where we can switch to geothermal or solar or wind (which will be never but I digress) or hydro or whatever makes most sense for the geography of the location.

Or we could go mainly nuke as we should have done decades ago and speaking of Jane Fonda needing to be punched in her crapweasel face, I blame her for the fact that the US hasn't.

Posted by: alexthechick - Hair rays activate! at October 14, 2015 01:47 PM (mf5HN)

418

A sweep of China's new bases?

"You mean like with a broom?"

Posted by: Hillary Cackles on and on and on and on at October 14, 2015 01:48 PM (u49WF)

419 Bander, be a dear and fetch me some tea, s'il vous plait?
Posted by: alexthechick - Hair rays activate!

Here you are, my dear, from geothermal water.

*stands by in case the bosom needs daubing*

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at October 14, 2015 01:50 PM (JtwS4)

420 "shit like that upsets me because I am an actual conservationist"

I feel you on this ATC

the world is beautiful (mostly) and taking care of it, like a good hunter or fisherman, makes all the sense in the world

all this AGW batshit lying makes it harder to be a conservative in the best sense of the word

pisses me off

Posted by: Feh at October 14, 2015 01:50 PM (P5j3n)

421 370
Jay, those idiots cheering on La Revolucion last

night only think of themselves as the ones doing the purging and the

punishing. They don't ever see themselves as the ones getting purged and

punished.

Posted by: exdem13 at October 14, 2015 01:16 PM (ry4ab)

Leftists
have an amazing blind spot in that regard, don't they? How many times
have you heard leftists say (in essence) the government should suppress,
e.g., Fox News or Rush Limbaugh, little realizing that the same
government but with different politics could equally well suppress the
NYT and CNN?
If you mention that possibility to a leftist, they look
at you as though you'd just unbuttoned your collar and a second head had
sprung out.
--------------
It goes along with the utterly blank looks one gets for mentioning Hungary in 1956, Prague Spring of 1968, or the Cultural Revolution. (Then again I think a lot of them on Tumblr and Reddit think the Cultural Revolution would be a good thing.)

Posted by: exdem13 at October 14, 2015 01:51 PM (ry4ab)

422 "whatever makes most sense for the geography of the location"

EXACTLY RIGHT

Posted by: Feh at October 14, 2015 01:51 PM (P5j3n)

423 I have not heard one, not a one report on how many people watched last night. Why might that be?

Posted by: GBruno at October 14, 2015 01:51 PM (u49WF)

424 thanks to all for the Sweden links

which are ruining my blood pressure

Posted by: Feh at October 14, 2015 01:52 PM (P5j3n)

425 *stands by in case the bosom needs daubing*

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp

*watching intently for daubing to commence*

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at October 14, 2015 01:52 PM (/Ho8c)

426 Or we could go mainly nuke as we should have done decades ago and speaking of Jane Fonda needing to be punched in her crapweasel face, I blame her for the fact that the US hasn't.

Posted by: alexthechick - Hair rays activate! at October 14, 2015 01:47 PM (mf5HN)

Insty posts a lot about advances in nuclear tech. It's even safer now than before and the new tech is more flexible. The only reasons we don't have tons and tons of nuclear are (1) Don't put those spent rods in my desert and (B) NRC over-regulation.

Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system at October 14, 2015 01:52 PM (RD7QR)

427 The gawd damn Russians have a new jamming system in Syria if certain reports are to be believed, which means recon and command and control of the airspace gets --complicated.

Can't remember right now what the thing is called maybe you guys know.

Posted by: Zombie JFK at October 14, 2015 01:53 PM (mcm0N)

428 Leftists
have an amazing blind spot in that regard, don't they? How many times
have you heard leftists say (in essence) the government should suppress,
e.g., Fox News or Rush Limbaugh, little realizing that the same
government but with different politics could equally well suppress the
NYT and CNN?
If you mention that possibility to a leftist, they look
at you as though you'd just unbuttoned your collar and a second head had
sprung out.

Technically, there's reason for this.

The IRS doesn't go after THEM.

The MFM gets screwed with, but that's usually the uppity ones causing trouble (dems hate uppity).

Unions generally spew the most asinine crap, even stuff that's contrary to their interests.

The EPA didn't go after Solyandra.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 14, 2015 01:53 PM (326rv)

429 at the rate things are going, I'll probably live to see it
Posted by: Feh at October 14, 2015 01:42 PM (P5j3n)

You're forgetting about the inherent incompetence of evil technocrats dreaming of global domination. Them I don't worry about. The ones I worry about are their occasionally capable subordinates, the ones with the guns.

Posted by: troyriser at October 14, 2015 01:53 PM (f56b1)

430 >>> 421 & 370

--------------

They never seem to remember or mention the 1959 - 1961 little adventure in Commie China they called the "Great Leap Forward". At least 20 million people died. Cleaning house, so to speak. By Mao. That guy Anita Dunn liked so much.

Posted by: GBruno at October 14, 2015 01:56 PM (u49WF)

431 Joy Behar is approaching David Brooks levels of twink:

"That O'Malley, let me tell you something, if I wasn't voting with my head, I think we know who would be getting my vote. I am in love. Look he his abs. That's no dad bod... Those are rock hard man things."

Posted by: Feh at October 14, 2015 01:56 PM (P5j3n)

432 troyriser

Fair enough.

Posted by: Feh at October 14, 2015 01:57 PM (P5j3n)

433 One of them last night said something to the effect that this is the worst economy since the 1920s--and no one disagreed.

Posted by: Zombie JFK at October 14, 2015 12:22 PM (mcm0N)

The Roaring 20s economy with Silent Cal at the helm? I'm sure they are as oblivious to the slam on Barry as they are to economic history. Should have said the 70s. Welcome Back Carter

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 14, 2015 01:57 PM (493sH)

434 (B) NRC over-regulation.

Posted by: joncelli, getting it out of his system

Government interference hampering progress and diminishing quality of life for everyone? The deuce, you say!

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at October 14, 2015 01:58 PM (/Ho8c)

435 There's some series free on Amazon prime called 'Where were you when' I don't know who initially created the series as they have a strange length of 25 minutes per episode. Most USA half hour programs are in the 21 minute range.

Anyway I highly recommend checking them out. Some topics are moon landing, Apollo 13, hurricane Katrina, etc.

I know I was crazy busy in 2004 and will admit I 'missed' the Breslen school terrorist attack. But I watched this program and its 'take' on the events and Putin's response. Worth taking a look if you (like me) are a little confused by his actions in Syria. Looking at it through the absolute fing horror of Breslen might change your perspective. Or it might not.

Posted by: seirra club spokesman at October 14, 2015 02:00 PM (sI4OA)

436 Off sock, be gone.

Posted by: se pa moron at October 14, 2015 02:00 PM (sI4OA)

437 430
>>> 421 370

--------------

They never seem to remember or mention the 1959 - 1961 little
adventure in Commie China they called the "Great Leap Forward". At
least 20 million people died. Cleaning house, so to speak. By Mao. That
guy Anita Dunn liked so much.

-----------
The "great leap up 'n down" and the "thousand flowers bloom" nonsense allowed Mao to know who his real supporters were, and who needed purging. The Cultural Revolution took care of that in spades. After Mao died the "Gang of Four" took the fall, and his legacy survived.

Posted by: exdem13 at October 14, 2015 02:05 PM (ry4ab)

438 There is one thing that makes the U.S. stand out in comparison to Sweden...

Ice.

For some reason, in Sweden and basically throughout Europe, people are stingy with ice.

Order a Coke and chances are you'll get one warm. If it comes with ice in a glass, it's one cube.

What the fuck's up with that?

If you tell them to fill the glass with ice - regardless of cost - they give you the "wasteful, econazi" look.

Posted by: jwest at October 14, 2015 02:06 PM (Zs4uk)

439 Posted by: alexthechick - Hair rays activate! at October 14, 2015 01:37 PM

*pours All the Vodka into the USB port for the Empress.*

Posted by: The Barrel at October 14, 2015 02:10 PM (KrAjA)

440 Off, embarrelled sock!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 14, 2015 02:10 PM (KrAjA)

441 You would all be proud of me. Someone has been posting Bernie Sanders flyers on windshields outside my office with various talking points about his positions. I took a red marker and under "BERNIE 2016," I added in big letters "A COMMUNIST IS A COMMUNIST," and marked "CR*P" next to his "Climate Change" section.

I put it back on my windshield on the sidewalk side, so people strolling by can see it. When I leave work, I'll put it on someone else's windshield.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 14, 2015 02:16 PM (qqk3Y)

442 333This is
why Lefties like Bloomberg are so gung-ho on "micro-housing".

It is truly maddening to hear a zillionaire like Bloomberg tell me that I should get used to living in a crackerbox.

How many rooms do his home(s) have?

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at October 14, 2015 02:18 PM (u0lmX)

443 Water-saving has become a fanatical home economics devotion in Germany. Recently read a long form article about people who saved bathwater all week, who cried when they didn't have their buckets out during a rainstorm, etc. The Germans fetishized water conservation, which I guess isn't all that surprising.

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 14, 2015 02:20 PM (2cS/G)

444 I think every family home in Boston had a similar shrine to JFK at some point.

Damn near every mantle had a JFK and a Jesus.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at October 14, 2015 12:38 PM (JtwS4)

Same was true in many Irish homes when I was a kid.

Posted by: Patrick Carroll at October 14, 2015 02:21 PM (bpn7O)

445 Herself said a month or so ago that companies that are forced to lay off workers should instead let them work part time and the gubmint would make up the difference in their pay checks.

That was before the emails we're not going to talk about anymore became a burden to her and when she was trying to be more of a Socialist than Ol' Bern.

Posted by: Hank at October 14, 2015 02:21 PM (JyDJn)

446 If you tell them to fill the glass with ice - regardless of cost - they give you the "wasteful, econazi" look.

Posted by: jwest at October 14, 2015 02:06 PM (Zs4uk)

I recall that was true of Britain in the early '80's. I ordered a gin and tonic in a pub there once and it was room temp, with one little tiny ice cube floating around in it.

I don't know if it was about environmentalism at that time, though. The Euros seem to have some weird cultural distaste for cold beverages - probably because their climate is far more temperate than ours.

A Brit who had never been to the States asked me why we all blasted our AC in the summer. I said, "because it gets really hot, that's why, even in the northern states." I was there all summer and I don't think the temp got above 75 degrees even once.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at October 14, 2015 02:25 PM (u0lmX)

447
It is truly maddening to hear a zillionaire like Bloomberg tell me that I should get used to living in a crackerbox.

How many rooms do his home(s) have?

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands)

Yeah, but he's Special and Important. Not like us little folk.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at October 14, 2015 02:27 PM (/Ho8c)

448 Will Hillerah get the ex-wife vote?

Posted by: torabora at October 14, 2015 03:06 PM (OtzAF)

449 Who will the illegal aliens vote for?

Posted by: torabora at October 14, 2015 03:07 PM (OtzAF)

450 Bernie has thrown rhetorical grenades at enemies of the USSA

Posted by: torabora at October 14, 2015 03:08 PM (OtzAF)

451 Yeah but their mocking him specifically for recalling his service. That's uncalled for.

Mock him for forgetting his kids names? Yeah, sure.

But for saying "I got the better of the guy trying to kill me." No.

And if he hangs out with and provides moral support for, for a two decade period, the people who continually say that violence in the act of trying to save the S. Vietnamese from Soviet Servitude, including the fight he describes, was wrong?

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at October 14, 2015 03:43 PM (kCfMX)

452 "16
Shit!"

Please confine your usage of this punctuation to the Modern Manual standards, specifically, Hillary! and Jeb!

Thank you.

Posted by: Exclamation Mark at October 14, 2015 04:47 PM (nSW/N)

453 Do not stare into Jim Webb's eyes. He'll steal your soul.

Posted by: General Zod at October 14, 2015 04:48 PM (Bdeb0)

454
The real winner of the debate last night was good 'ole Joe Biden. He looks a lot more like the non Hillary choice.

Posted by: Janir at October 14, 2015 06:17 PM (j9gfi)

455 There already is a no-fly zone. For America.

Posted by: Ed Rickenbacher at October 14, 2015 06:20 PM (BfPSD)

456 Were we not told when Obama was elected, "We are all Socialists now" ?

Posted by: Case, Mors Semper Tyrannis at October 15, 2015 01:07 AM (I0sxh)

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