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Gun Thread - Self Defense Edition [Weirddave]
I spoke to Ace this afternoon about his retiring early, here's a thread to take us through the evening while visions of hobos dance in the head Ewok's head
Gun of the Week
The media loves to talk endlessly about mass murderers who succeed. They aren't so eager to document those cases where they are stopped.
August 30, 2010Do civilians with guns ever stop mass shootings?
When a 62-year-old man armed with two handguns forced his way into Sullivan Central High School in Tennessee, he was immediately engaged by School Resource Officer Carolyn Gudger. Gudger put her body between the gunman and a student and started what would turn out to be a more than 10 minute gun-to-gun encounter. Gudger used the time to slowly move the man to a less crowded part of the school. When other officers arrived on the scene, a brief gun battle erupted ending with the gunman mortally wounded.
Naturally, such examples will be rare. Even in states which allow concealed carry, there often aren’t people near a shooting who have a gun on them at the time. Many mass shootings happen in supposedly “gun-free” zones (such as schools, universities or private property posted with a no-guns sign), in which gun carrying isn’t allowed. And there is no central database of such examples, many of which don’t hit the national media, especially if a gunman is stopped before he shoots many victims.... Still, for whatever they are worth, here is a list of some such incidents (which deliberately excludes killings stopped by people who were off-duty police officers, or police officers from other jurisdictions, at the time of a shooting, as well as some other cases which struck me as borderline):
It Doesn't Always Work Out
ETA: The validity of this account is in dispute, see update from poster Blue Falcon, post #24 below. Thanks BF! One of the things that distinguishes “our side” from the anti-gunners is that we demonstrate a willingness to take a cold, hard look at the facts and not be swayed by emotional arguments. Here is a case where a “good man with a gun” drew and fired with tragic results. Texas ‘good guy with a gun’ shoots carjacking victim in head — then runs away We advocate for responsible gun ownership. There's a reason that the “four rules” are repeated again and again and again and again. YOU MUST FOLLOW THE FOUR RULES! To review:
Wife: Want to go to the gun show?
Me: We don't need anything
W: Ammo
M: We have a ton
W: We can never have too much ammo
M: God I love you
— Dave's Not Here (@Weirddave0) October 3, 2015If it was me? “BONUS!”. She seems to be a bit upset because she feels her son was in “danger”. Now I guess bullets can shoot themselves, not just those evil guns. Long Shot of the Week
Good question. Onward Christian Soldiers Tennessee's Lt. Governor kicked over a hornet's nest with this Facebook post:
He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.I think that a lot of Christians are coming to the realization that it's almost time to start selling cloaks. Companion Piece to the Charles C.W. Cooke Article From the Last Gun Thread From One “Bitter Clinger” To President Obama On Guns: You Don’t Get To Disarm Us.
Hey Barack Obama, you don’t get to disarm us. We can see that our defiance eats at you. Good. That’s why you were so mad when you came out in front of the cameras to blame us normal Americans for the Oregon murders, something you do every time some freak goes on a killing spree. But we’re laughing at your futile, petulant anger. Because you don’t get what you want this time. You don’t get to make us submit. You don’t get to break us. We know that what spurred your rage at the podium was not bloodshed caused by a militant atheist who probably cheered when the people who nominated you booed God on the convention floor. We see through you.Preach it brother! Today's thread brought to you by Keeping Them Safe:
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Skip at October 06, 2015 07:07 PM (ht2/m)
Posted by: Skip at October 06, 2015 07:08 PM (ht2/m)
Posted by: righter at October 06, 2015 07:10 PM (iNmxH)
"Do civilians with guns ever stop mass shootings?"
Insty pointed out that by definition they don't; when civilians are involved, there's no "mass" (4+ shot) shooting.
Mass shootings are what you get when you wait for gov't to "fix" things.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at October 06, 2015 07:11 PM (0NdlF)
I was putting this together for the weekend, but I saw Ace needed content in order to get his sleep patterns back in sync, so I offered it to help him out.
Posted by: Weirddave at October 06, 2015 07:12 PM (WvS3w)
Posted by: Toonces the Cat at October 06, 2015 07:13 PM (e7T6D)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at October 06, 2015 07:13 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 06, 2015 07:14 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: Peruser at October 06, 2015 07:15 PM (cgZPg)
Posted by: Hairy Reed, D-NV at October 06, 2015 07:15 PM (OiFtZ)
Posted by: Lizzy at October 06, 2015 07:15 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at October 06, 2015 07:15 PM (A1Dcl)
Posted by: Toonces the Cat at October 06, 2015 07:16 PM (e7T6D)
Now that Ace owns the complete collection of Time Life Old West books in real Naugahyde, will Ace become a gunslinger???
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at October 06, 2015 07:16 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Agitator at October 06, 2015 07:17 PM (hBT//)
Posted by: survey says ... at October 06, 2015 07:17 PM (ZS5sJ)
Notice how the lefties ar all about depicting real violence against women (like hanging Palin, comic having her gang-banged, etc.) while they whine, whine, whine about perceived violence like catcalls.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 06, 2015 07:17 PM (NOIQH)
Just reminder of the old saying:
The Germans brought the best Hunting Rifle to WW-1, the '98 Mauser.
The Yanks brought the best Target Rifle to WW-I, the 1903 Springfield.
The Brits brought the best BATTLE RIFLE to WW-I, the SMLE.
One is never undergunned with any variant of the "smelly". Either in terms of pure ballistics, or raw firepower. A skilled shooter can run that bolt and put rounds on target, at a rate virtually indistinguishable from a shooter of similar skill with a typical .Mil platform of similar caliber in semi-auto mode.
Sadly, such skill is a diminishing thing, in that our yoot simply never learn to run the bolt in any proper fashion. Still, I don't despair. I'm glad that SMFH's young troopies can run their ARs with the skill and aplomb so amply demonstrated in the sandbox.
Our enemies think they have the better of us. Oh, really? Will they still think so after they try to engage us en-masse, on our home turf?
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at October 06, 2015 07:18 PM (McRlu)
Was it? Do you have a link? I'd love to be able to debunk it.
Posted by: Weirddave at October 06, 2015 07:18 PM (7GBH9)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at October 06, 2015 07:19 PM (9Fc79)
Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at October 06, 2015 07:20 PM (A1Dcl)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 06, 2015 07:21 PM (VPLuQ)
Posted by: alec at October 06, 2015 07:21 PM (z2Pt2)
http://tinyurl.com/onq6ndm
"HOUSTON -- A man was carjacked and beaten after he walked out of the Valero gas station late Saturday night in northeast Houston. But someone else who witnessed the crime helped end the attack.
The attack happened on Kelley at Jensen around 11pm.
A man said he was hit on the head near a bus station on the edge of the parking lot. A witness saw what happened and as two suspects got in the man's truck to escape, the witness pulled out a gun and shot at the departing truck.
The suspect ditched the truck about three blocks away.
Police found blood inside the truck. Investigators aren't sure if the blood belongs to the suspect or the truck's owner.
The truck's owner is in the hospital recovering.
The witness who shot at the suspects didn't wait at the Valero for police to arrive. Police, who are still looking for a suspect, want to speak to the witness for help in their search."
Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at October 06, 2015 07:23 PM (A1Dcl)
Posted by: .303 Savage at October 06, 2015 07:23 PM (l3vZN)
The only thing that stops a bad man OR WOMAN with a gun is a good man OR WOMAN with a gun.
Let's not offend or exclude anyone!!
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at October 06, 2015 07:24 PM (Twaz5)
Posted by: Chupacabra at October 06, 2015 07:26 PM (QFjNO)
Let's not offend or exclude anyone!!
I'm offended.
Posted by: that guy who identifies as a ring-tailed lemur at October 06, 2015 07:26 PM (ZS5sJ)
you better bet busy with the the trans fats. xers zbers and yobs . the list is long , dont miss any in your search for correctness ... /snark
Posted by: alec at October 06, 2015 07:26 PM (z2Pt2)
Posted by: Caytlyn Jenner at October 06, 2015 07:27 PM (e7T6D)
P.s. they working on changing the name of there yet?
Posted by: Skip at October 06, 2015 07:27 PM (ht2/m)
Posted by: Pixy's Hamsters at October 06, 2015 07:27 PM (ECrmY)
Walking from Haifa Port up to the upper town to go to the USO, and visit Gilda and Joel who ran it, we passed many a school and playground.
Parents sitting there, watching their children play, with rifles slung over their shoulders was the rule of the day.
I never felt unsafe.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 06, 2015 07:28 PM (VPLuQ)
QQ moar about your windfall.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at October 06, 2015 07:28 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at October 06, 2015 07:29 PM (zyIlW)
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at October 06, 2015 07:29 PM (Twaz5)
there's a Manfield, Massachusetts..
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at October 06, 2015 07:29 PM (Twaz5)
This thread sucks. What are you all, a bunch of Homo sapiens?
Posted by: Modern Man at October 06, 2015 07:33 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Eromero at October 06, 2015 07:34 PM (go5uR)
I identify as a ring-tail lemur and I'm offended that you're offended ...
Posted by: Adriane the Speciesist Critic ... at October 06, 2015 07:34 PM (qOsoH)
I always preferred the No4 mk I but there's a definite artistry to the earlier model....
I had a No4 Mk I(t) my ex pawned off...
my BP just spiked.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 06, 2015 07:35 PM (g8Hfr)
I love this line:
"How sharper than a serpent's tooth it is to have a thankless child!"
King Lear
Act I, Scene 4
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at October 06, 2015 07:36 PM (Twaz5)
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 06, 2015 07:36 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at October 06, 2015 07:36 PM (0NdlF)
I don't know if I could shoot someone who was trying to harm me. Maybe. I don't honestly know what I would do in that situation besides pray.
However, we have weapons in our home in order to protect the wee ones in our families that cannot defend themselves, and the old people likewise, and to prevent bad people from doing bad things to good people.
I admit I have qualms once in a while going to church because we meet in a gun-free zone (movie theater) and there are hundreds of kids in that environment.
Posted by: grammie winger, Isa al-Masih for muslims too at October 06, 2015 07:37 PM (dFi94)
Yup...
10 shots of Anglic goodness able to be cycled as fast as a bren
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 06, 2015 07:37 PM (g8Hfr)
If you are an AR guy already I'd suggest the Mossberg MVP Patrol...
http://tinyurl.com/pfufqo2
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 06, 2015 07:39 PM (g8Hfr)
Qualcomm (QCOM) stock price: $56.32
Posted by: Soothsayer the autoresponsebot at October 06, 2015 07:39 PM (Twaz5)
Posted by: East Bay KG at October 06, 2015 07:40 PM (YUrE9)
Utterly amazing how many times and in how many ways the Left shows themselves to be the monsters they claim the Right to be.
Posted by: acethepug at October 06, 2015 07:41 PM (RHPFv)
Posted by: Chupacabra at October 06, 2015 07:42 PM (QFjNO)
Posted by: simplemind at October 06, 2015 07:42 PM (BTnAK)
I thought that was normal for centerfire ammo....
My first modern rifle was an Ishapore SMLE, bought as a SHTF rifle for the reasons Jim mentions - it is a bolt action that can fire almost as fast as a semi-auto. I finally upgraded to a No. 4 mk 1* just recently - unlike my SMLE, I think I can reload for it, which will greatly help the ammo price problem.
Added bonus: The .303 British was originally designed as a black powder cartridge. At some point I hope to do some experimenting in that area.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 06, 2015 07:42 PM (bZ7mE)
Does Israel allow private gun ownership? I was under the impression that
they do not, that only military are allowed to have and carry.
Posted by: East Bay KG at October 06, 2015 07:40 PM (YUrE9)
yes....you must meet the requirements of lawful gun ownership though.....
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at October 06, 2015 07:42 PM (0O7c5)
http://tinyurl.com/pfufqo2
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 06, 2015 07:39 PM (g8Hfr)
Need more 5.56 ammo, but that's a good point.
Am also thinking of a .45 carbine.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at October 06, 2015 07:42 PM (0NdlF)
Israel has a rather generous definition of "reservist"...
the teachers are armed, plenty of folks are licensed....
there is no 2d amendment, but you can carry an M-1 carbine to the market depending on your neighborhood.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 06, 2015 07:42 PM (g8Hfr)
The police retreated to two-hundred-plus-meter distances and formed up in defensive cordons because they were "outgunned" and afraid to try to engage. They had only classic Imperial SMLEs.
::: facepalm :::
Posted by: torquewrench at October 06, 2015 07:43 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: East Bay KG at October 06, 2015 07:40 PM (YUrE9)
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I heard that, too. But I've seen settlers well armed with pistols and rifles.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at October 06, 2015 07:44 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Chupacabra at October 06, 2015 07:44 PM (QFjNO)
obama, against wishes and pleas, will literally go out of his way and travel to Oregon to stand on the dead bodies and speechify
Remember when obama went to the funerals of the victims who were at the recruiting place? Neither do I.
btw, how soon the media forgets that shooting, which was only, what, several months ago? A year?
I also can't find a single mention from obama for Mr Mintz, the veteran who survived 7 gunshots by trying to stop the murderer.
Posted by: Soothsayer the autoresponsebot at October 06, 2015 07:44 PM (Twaz5)
So Carolyn Gudger identified as male? What he did was certainly ballsy enough.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 06, 2015 07:44 PM (tLB7E)
as the Mujahadeen never tired of teaching the Ivans....
"my dick is 300 yards longer than yours"
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 06, 2015 07:44 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: gh at October 06, 2015 07:45 PM (YlqSL)
I recall that being brought up, and it was suggested that the underlying problem, which the Indians did not want to admit, is that the police had not been issued ammunition and only carried their rifles as badges of office.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 06, 2015 07:45 PM (bZ7mE)
Find a Lee-Enfield and you might be shocked....
"mad minutes" were not point fire exercises but volley-fire ones...
the Germans thought they had LMGs
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 06, 2015 07:46 PM (g8Hfr)
With a left-handed shooter, your left hand would always be on or near the trigger, while you'd have to take your right hand off the forward stock to operate the bold, and then you'd have to aim again. That sounds less efficient.
Posted by: rickl at October 06, 2015 07:46 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Panhandler at October 06, 2015 07:47 PM (si1cb)
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 06, 2015 07:47 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: rickl at October 06, 2015 07:47 PM (sdi6R)
Ace is retiring for the evening to his leather-bound books and a bag of Cheetohs, I assume...
Posted by: Soothsayer the autoresponsebot at October 06, 2015 07:47 PM (Twaz5)
Posted by: East Bay KG at October 06, 2015 07:47 PM (YUrE9)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x3lOZ4yX6Y
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 06, 2015 07:48 PM (bZ7mE)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at October 06, 2015 07:49 PM (hVdx9)
I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that youtube link above by Mr Fox is a clip of Chuck from The Rifleman.
Posted by: Soothsayer the autoresponsebot at October 06, 2015 07:49 PM (Twaz5)
Posted by: Soothsayer the autoresponsebot at October 06, 2015 07:49 PM (Twaz5)
Heh "no"
It was a LE shooter going ~ 25 RPM...
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 06, 2015 07:50 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at October 06, 2015 07:50 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Panhandler
****
I wish .22 would go back to $20-$30 for a brick
instead if $60+
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at October 06, 2015 07:50 PM (hVdx9)
Any person who is convinced that the United States has had 350+ mass shootings this year alone needs a good slap.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at October 06, 2015 07:51 PM (q20+R)
Just Enfields though. Gotta get one sooner or later.
Posted by: Mr. Healthy Penis at October 06, 2015 07:52 PM (LYCUN)
Posted by: DaveA at October 06, 2015 07:53 PM (DL2i+)
Some of the anti-gun nuts absolutely cannot be talked to.
Because their entire position is a lie. It's not at all about safety or non-violence with the Left; it's all about Controlling Other.
This gun thing is just an excuse to use against us. You can't argue with bullshit.
Posted by: Soothsayer the autoresponsebot at October 06, 2015 07:53 PM (Twaz5)
The trick is that the trigger is pulled with the middle finger, while the thumb and forefinger never let go of the bolt. That, plus the short stroke, 6o degree pull, the easy opening of a cock-on-closing action, the placement of the bolt handle, and the ten-round magazine in the Lee-Enfield design, make for a pretty rapid rate of fire.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 06, 2015 07:54 PM (bZ7mE)
And kudos to the ace sister for getting back on track.
Perhaps he'll be up by the crack of noon.
OTOH. That the rest of the week off ace.
Posted by: Golfman at October 06, 2015 07:54 PM (48QDY)
instead if $60+
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at October 06, 2015 07:50 PM (hVdx9)
******
I bought a metric fuckton (that's a technical term) of Federal .22lr throughout the spring and summer of 2007 for $15/box of 550 at Wally World. I haven't even gone through half of it yet.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at October 06, 2015 07:54 PM (otTnh)
I'll even spot you a mere 100 yard range, but you've gotta spot me nothing but 10 ring hits. I'm not asking for "X"s, just 10s.
You sling up with the pseudo mil-spec .308 or similar caliber semi-auto rifle of your choice. Iron sights, only. Infantry spec slings allowed, specifically disallowing National Match or other pure target sling systems.
I'll use any borrowed SMLE* of which the owner will certify an inherent 3 MOA or better capability.
Twenty round match. Best score wins, "X"s for tie breaker.
We'll shoot for a liter of Maker's Mark.
ROUNDS ON TARGET matter. You can't miss fast enough to win a gunfight.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
* excludes Jungle Carbine variants
Posted by: Jim at October 06, 2015 07:55 PM (McRlu)
Posted by: Golfman at October 06, 2015 07:56 PM (48QDY)
Posted by: Feh at October 06, 2015 07:57 PM (Uk9e2)
Guess it's a wild-card performance.
Good job.
Posted by: eleven at October 06, 2015 07:57 PM (rjtGa)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 06, 2015 07:57 PM (ij7E3)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty
****
Wish I had done that. I merely bought an assload of .22 and shot up most of it.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at October 06, 2015 07:58 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Lizzy at October 06, 2015 07:15 PM (NOIQH)
They sure forgot about sister journalist Lara Logan pretty quickly!
Posted by: Hrothgar at October 06, 2015 07:58 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 06, 2015 07:58 PM (tLB7E)
Speeches from Hillary advocating confiscation of guns would just about seal the deal, so she probably won't do something like that. Instead, we probably will get something like that from Kevin McCarthy or Yertle.
Posted by: MTF at October 06, 2015 08:01 PM (CWvyb)
The AK was designed to be fired and poorly maintained by illiterate savages. While the AR was meant to be fired and PROPERLY maintained by somewhat more literate civilians beaten from plowshares into swords. I have one of each rifle and like them both immensely. Guess that makes me a moron.
Posted by: Eromero at October 06, 2015 08:03 PM (go5uR)
Posted by: wooga at October 06, 2015 08:04 PM (x9NcI)
Is there an appreciable difference between .3 caliber level rifle and a .223/5.56 rifle in terms of taking someone down?
Any studies done comparing say how the WWII rifles did versus the M16/AR platform?
Posted by: East Bay KG at October 06, 2015 08:05 PM (YUrE9)
Posted by: grammie winger, Isa al-Masih for muslims too at October 06, 2015 08:05 PM (dFi94)
To each his own. I point mine at outer space. Bruce Jenner points his at his penis and balls.
Posted by: Stephanie Rawlings-Blake at October 06, 2015 08:06 PM (tLB7E)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at October 06, 2015 08:06 PM (0O7c5)
The Coonan is pricey-starts at just under $1400-so the fallback is a revolver
Posted by: Chico Escuela at October 06, 2015 08:06 PM (VvpaF)
Yes, we are strong enough as a nation and a people to allow some confiscation.
In the spirit of magnanimity and compromise, I propose we confiscate all weapons from Democrats.
And when it can be certified that no Democrat retains any, after all those door-to-door raids and mass prosecution of recalcitrant proggs, then we can talk about the rest of them.
*monocle*
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 06, 2015 08:07 PM (JmGFJ)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at October 06, 2015 08:07 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at October 06, 2015 08:07 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Timon at October 06, 2015 08:07 PM (ZDJwC)
To each his own. I point mine at outer space.
Posted by: Stephanie Rawlings-Blake
Shoot the moon.
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at October 06, 2015 08:08 PM (9Fc79)
Yes, we are strong enough as a nation and a people to allow some confiscation.
In the spirit of magnanimity and compromise, I propose we confiscate all weapons from Democrats.
And when it can be certified that no Democrat retains any, after all those door-to-door raids and mass prosecution of recalcitrant proggs, then we can talk about the rest of them.
*monocle*
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 06, 2015 08:07 PM (JmGFJ)
In the same spirit, I will agree to mental health tests for gun buyers in exchange for IQ tests for voters.
Posted by: rickl at October 06, 2015 08:09 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at October 06, 2015 08:10 PM (A1Dcl)
Posted by: Dorky Rumpole at October 06, 2015 08:10 PM (9Fc79)
Yes, we are strong enough as a nation and a people to allow some confiscation.
In the spirit of magnanimity and compromise, I propose we confiscate all weapons from Democrats.
And
when it can be certified that no Democrat retains any, after all those
door-to-door raids and mass prosecution of recalcitrant proggs, then we
can talk about the rest of them.
*monocle*
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 06, 2015 08:07 PM (JmGFJ)
Seconded.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at October 06, 2015 08:11 PM (q20+R)
He had some pictures. Crates and crates of M1s. Mmmm.
Posted by: freaked at October 06, 2015 08:11 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: rickl at October 06, 2015 08:11 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at October 06, 2015 08:07 PM (iQIUe)
*****
Nope. If they did, we would have been rid of Alec Baldwin almost 16 years ago.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at October 06, 2015 08:12 PM (otTnh)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 06, 2015 08:13 PM (tLB7E)
Learn to shoot right handed. I shoot both ways but prefer left even though I'm a righty.
Posted by: freaked at October 06, 2015 08:14 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty
They'll claim they never said it or were taken out of context.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 06, 2015 08:14 PM (9Fc79)
Posted by: otho at October 06, 2015 08:14 PM (EWg9n)
Posted by: Sho Nuff at October 06, 2015 08:14 PM (24rcg)
He had some pictures. Crates and crates of M1s. Mmmm.
Posted by: freaked
****
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Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at October 06, 2015 08:17 PM (hVdx9)
Here are the three we practice in the Dee household:
1. Treat every gun as if it is loaded, even if you "know" it isnt.
2. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire.
3. Know where your muzzle is pointed at all times.
Posted by: @PeeteySDee at October 06, 2015 08:17 PM (B77dy)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 06, 2015 08:17 PM (C6cTZ)
Posted by: Zombies Siskel and Ebert at October 06, 2015 08:17 PM (Twaz5)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 06, 2015 08:18 PM (rwI+c)
This alone is proof of my Moriarty calibre intellect.
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at October 06, 2015 08:18 PM (tLB7E)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 06, 2015 08:20 PM (C6cTZ)
We don't argue about how many people say good things over bad things do we? Because if we did.....we wouldn't have a very good argument to keep freedom of speech.
Posted by: Trapperguy at October 06, 2015 08:20 PM (cfC9U)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 06, 2015 08:21 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: @votermom at October 06, 2015 08:21 PM (cbfNE)
Look up Forgotten Weapons on the Youtubes. The guy is left handed. You can at least see what it looks like to shoot a bolt action left handed.
Dumb question: have you ever tried shooting right handed? I'm lefthanded but shoot better as a righty
Posted by: Chico Escuela at October 06, 2015 08:22 PM (VvpaF)
U.S. counter-terror officials have asked Toyota, the world's second largest auto maker, to help them determine how ISIS has managed to acquire the large number of Toyota pick-up trucks and SUVs seen prominently in the terror group's propaganda videos in Iraq, Syria and Libya, ABC News has learned.
Toyota says it does not know how ISIS obtained the vehicles and is "supporting" the inquiry led by the Terror Financing unit of the Treasury Department -- part of a broad U.S. effort to prevent Western-made goods from ending up in the hands of the terror group.
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at October 06, 2015 08:22 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Timon at October 06, 2015 08:22 PM (ZDJwC)
Posted by: wkward davies at October 06, 2015 08:23 PM (mP1RE)
http://goo.gl/eca4UA
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at October 06, 2015 08:23 PM (iQIUe)
Both IAs and IPs used them.
Not surprising they're in ISIS hands now.
Posted by: SMFH at it all at October 06, 2015 08:24 PM (zyIlW)
They almost look like DeLisles...
essentially they added grenade launcher cups to a choppe Mk 1 III however....
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Star_Wars
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 06, 2015 08:24 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 06, 2015 08:24 PM (C6cTZ)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at October 06, 2015 08:25 PM (zyIlW)
Beyond which....
those rights are not "gifts" or dispensations...
they are inherent rights under natural law that give the Federal Government legitimacy...
they start nuking the bill of rights the game is over.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 06, 2015 08:26 PM (g8Hfr)
I don't know why I didn't get one then. I would like to have one.
Posted by: freaked at October 06, 2015 08:26 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 06, 2015 08:26 PM (VPLuQ)
Reloading doesn't always save money but in this case it should. And I like reloading. It's another enjoyable and useful part of the hobby.
Posted by: JTB at October 06, 2015 08:26 PM (FvdPb)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 06, 2015 08:27 PM (WAX3V)
Posted by: ISIS at October 06, 2015 08:28 PM (cbfNE)
I wouldn't automatically assume Toyota's at fault. Could be some front group like CAIR. Toyota is not respinsible for vetting the surnames of their customers. The fault is ours, for letting them acquire so many assets in the first place.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 06, 2015 08:28 PM (tLB7E)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 06, 2015 08:28 PM (WAX3V)
For 1938 in Rome. Would the Fascists have that dinky 6.8mm bolt action? What was the firearm of the Swiss Guard then?
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 06, 2015 08:29 PM (C6cTZ)
I don't know why I didn't get one then. I would like to have one.
Posted by: freaked
But they say it's too easy to buy guns NOW.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 06, 2015 08:31 PM (9Fc79)
The Swiss Guard was using K-31IIRC
http://www.guns.com/2014/04/13/guns-swiss-guard/
They are usually kitted out in the MilTech the Swiss are using given the necessity to have done a hitch...
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 06, 2015 08:32 PM (g8Hfr)
Classic seems to have a bad rap with some board commenters
I have seven firearms that I purchased from them
None hand select.
In every purchase, I am more then satisfied with both the description and the actual firearm.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 06, 2015 08:32 PM (VPLuQ)
I just don't shoot rifle, and the only .30 I have is an old '94 that I keep for nostalgia. I appreciate your challenge, I'm just not the person to take you up on it.
Posted by: Chupacabra at October 06, 2015 08:32 PM (QFjNO)
Be aware at all times of your surroundings. Don't fixate on where you are going, keep your head on a swivel. Just by turning your head 45 degrees you can see a lot behind you.
Look up too. People don't look up and around. Identify individuals that will be in your danger area and judge they're threat level. In areas known to be problematic (and wtf are you doing there anyway?) be especially aware of places people may hide while awaiting you. Walk near the gutter or in it.
Cross the street randomly to check out your back trail.
Remember the zoomies motto: WATCH YOUR SIX!
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at October 06, 2015 08:33 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 06, 2015 08:34 PM (tLB7E)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 06, 2015 07:14 PM (4ErVI)
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Spray and pray!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Wrapped in Bacon at October 06, 2015 08:34 PM (jR7Wy)
Fuckin' Malkovich and Willis great comedic duo . Even Helen Mirren had to go along to get along .
Posted by: wkward davies at October 06, 2015 08:35 PM (mP1RE)
Always have a way out and know if the only way out is dangerous or not. (fences, trees, culverts, guardrails)
For when on foot know the geography and where you are at all times.
Get your face out of your iPod or whatever.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at October 06, 2015 08:35 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 06, 2015 08:36 PM (WAX3V)
Posted by: @votermom at October 06, 2015 08:37 PM (cbfNE)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/nthrm53
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 06, 2015 08:37 PM (9mTYi)
I'm feeling more and more that responsible, freedom-loving people should be exercising their Second Ammendment rights.
Posted by: Emmie at October 06, 2015 08:38 PM (NMJWG)
Will he shove it right in the sherrif's face and announce his executive order when there?
Wouldn't surprise me.
Posted by: the littl shyning man at October 06, 2015 08:39 PM (6Gyg/)
well crap I left my laptop charger at work and I don't think I am going to be able to make it until the ONT anyway
Posted by: chemjeff at October 06, 2015 08:39 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at October 06, 2015 08:39 PM (zyIlW)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at October 06, 2015 08:40 PM (zyIlW)
Indeedy! I suggest a Springfield 03-A3 and a Mosin-Nagant M44.
Posted by: Eromero at October 06, 2015 08:40 PM (go5uR)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 06, 2015 08:40 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at October 06, 2015 08:40 PM (l3vZN)
IIRC there was one for Chicago. Libs went nuts, it's racist and I never heard what happened to it. I think it's a great idea if you like to travel. How the hell can you know the shit neighborhoods in a city you've never been to?
Posted by: dartist at October 06, 2015 08:40 PM (kDYa9)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at October 06, 2015 08:40 PM (zyIlW)
Found I have a story that happens before Alexandria. Nuns plus a magic statue in the Holy See in Sept 1938. Can you hear all the gears turning amidst all the machinations? I can. So I figure some Swiss Guard nursemaids might be in order for the nuns and their charge.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 06, 2015 08:40 PM (C6cTZ)
Posted by: Chupacabra at October 06, 2015 08:40 PM (QFjNO)
Any studies done comparing say how the WWII rifles did versus the M16/AR platform?
1) That is a pretty open ended question. I don't think that there is any doubt that the .3 calibers are better/more accurate at ranges over 300 yards (bigger bullet means more inertia for a given velocity, the better for energy retention and bucking the wind alike). At closer ranges I think (but don't know for a fact) that the .3 has better penetration - 5.56 will deflect badly upon hitting drywall ( http://tinyurl.com/nuy5aco ). Effects on humans are harder to calculate, and my vary a lot depending on the type of bullet.
2) We still use bolt-actions, mostly based on the mauser action, for sniper rifles.
That is all I've got.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 06, 2015 08:41 PM (bZ7mE)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 06, 2015 08:42 PM (C6cTZ)
If you're a hawt special forces guy, girls will forgive you for stalking and kidnapping them to go on a dangerous yet romantic adventure.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at October 06, 2015 08:42 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: The Modern Man at October 06, 2015 08:42 PM (sdi6R)
can anyone recommend the absolute easiest gun to learn how to use and maintain and buy ammo for, for the complete and utter n00b to buy?
Posted by: chemjeff at October 06, 2015 08:43 PM (uZNvH)
Nice...
don't forget the Luger P-08s then....
the P-210 replaced it back ~ '49...
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 06, 2015 08:43 PM (g8Hfr)
well crap I left my laptop charger at work and I don't think I am going to be able to make it until the ONT anyway
Posted by: chemjeff
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MacGyver would overcome that problem, using tin foil from a gum wrapper, a couple of pencil leads, and a diode yanked out of a disassembled clock.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 06, 2015 08:43 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at October 06, 2015 08:43 PM (zyIlW)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 06, 2015 08:44 PM (9Fc79)
can anyone recommend the absolute easiest gun to learn how to use and maintain and buy ammo for, for the complete and utter n00b to buy?
Posted by: chemjeff
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Ruger 10-22.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 06, 2015 08:44 PM (9mTYi)
I saw the recent Air Force recruitment ad on the tube and got a localized tingle when I beheld the V-22 Osprey. It's just so...beautiful.
Anybody ridden in one? Anybody flown one?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Wrapped in Bacon at October 06, 2015 08:44 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: chemjeff at October 06, 2015 08:44 PM (uZNvH)
Often times I have recommended the other movie titled Red. It's pretty good. It stars Bryan Cox.
Oddly enough, Bryan Cox was in both movies titled Red, and they even came out like the same year I think.
Posted by: Zombies Siskel and Ebert at October 06, 2015 08:44 PM (Twaz5)
Who was it that said soldiers need to be able to shoot THRU stuff?
Posted by: freaked at October 06, 2015 08:44 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 06, 2015 08:45 PM (C6cTZ)
Posted by: awkward davies at October 06, 2015 08:45 PM (mP1RE)
Posted by: Bertram
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Teacup Poodle.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 06, 2015 08:45 PM (9mTYi)
can anyone recommend the absolute easiest gun to learn how to use and maintain and buy ammo for, for the complete and utter n00b to buy?
Longarm or pistol? Intended use?
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 06, 2015 08:45 PM (bZ7mE)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr.
Well, maybe, if the animal is holding tannerite or somethin'.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 06, 2015 08:45 PM (JmGFJ)
a couple of pencil leads, and a diode yanked out of a disassembled
clock.
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Yea but e was extremely anti-gun so screw him.
Posted by: Sho Nuff at October 06, 2015 08:45 PM (24rcg)
I'd go with a Charter Arms MagPug....
http://tinyurl.com/pd8ku45
.357 magnum/.38 special...
concealable, reliable, and common ammo...
practice enough and you're golden.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 06, 2015 08:45 PM (g8Hfr)
MacGyver would overcome that problem, using tin foil from a gum wrapper, a couple of pencil leads, and a diode yanked out of a disassembled clock.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 06, 2015 08:43 PM (9mTYi)
Hey! Now my clock doesn't work!
Posted by: Achmed at October 06, 2015 08:45 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 06, 2015 08:45 PM (WAX3V)
He "evolved" into that...
I rewatched the pilot...
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 06, 2015 08:46 PM (g8Hfr)
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If they are behind a tree, or in a truck, etc., yes.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 06, 2015 08:46 PM (9mTYi)
and rickl is still waiting for some feedback for #66
I can't help him -- I knows nuthink about lever-action rifles.
Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at October 06, 2015 08:46 PM (Twaz5)
don't really want to conceal carry with it, just to defend myself at home
Posted by: chemjeff at October 06, 2015 08:46 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: freaked at October 06, 2015 08:46 PM (BO/km)
can anyone recommend the absolute easiest gun to learn how to use and maintain and buy ammo for, for the complete and utter n00b to buy?
Posted by: chemjeff at October 06, 2015 08:43 PM (uZNvH)
*****
Find a local gun store with a range and tell them what you are after. They will have a variety of guns you can rent and try out.
That is a very hard question to answer specifically unless you already have an idea of what you like and dislike ( .40 is too snappy vs .45, revolver over pistol, etc.).
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at October 06, 2015 08:46 PM (otTnh)
Posted by: Achmed
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S'ok. You can invent another one.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 06, 2015 08:46 PM (9mTYi)
I have seven firearms that I purchased from them
None hand select.
In every purchase, I am more then satisfied with both the description and the actual firearm.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice
****
I know they changed hands a few years ago, and their rep was spotless before then.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at October 06, 2015 08:47 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 06, 2015 08:47 PM (C6cTZ)
"ve are by our nature a rather serious volk mein fruend..."
//German School
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 06, 2015 08:47 PM (g8Hfr)
I would love to ride in one too, Eris.
Just being strapped into an Apache (didn't fly in it...major sads) was an experience. And wearing that helmet that is connected to a 30 mm....
It was one of the few times I regretted not going to OCS.
Posted by: SMFH at it all at October 06, 2015 08:47 PM (zyIlW)
In that case go find a nice 6 inch barreled revolver and enjoy...
you can get an 1873 in .357 for under 600... 7.5 inch barrel maximizes the zap potential.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 06, 2015 08:48 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Tronald Dump at October 06, 2015 08:48 PM (u9UgT)
A foil gum wrapper and a little battery can arc (spark) and light a fire. Some call it a "prison lighter." I learnt that on TV.
Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at October 06, 2015 08:48 PM (Twaz5)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 06, 2015 08:49 PM (WAX3V)
Posted by: freaked at October 06, 2015 08:49 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at October 06, 2015 08:49 PM (zyIlW)
Posted by: Doom Rider at October 06, 2015 08:50 PM (ImLO6)
don't really want to conceal carry with it, just to defend myself at home
Posted by: chemjeff
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Desert Eagle .50
Better to err on the side of safety.
Okay, okay, I'm kidding.
Like everyone else will say ( I think), you need to sign on for a training course, and then shoot a bunch of rental stuff. You will like what you like.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 06, 2015 08:50 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 06, 2015 08:50 PM (C6cTZ)
Posted by: awkward davies at October 06, 2015 08:50 PM (mP1RE)
Posted by: Emmie at October 06, 2015 08:50 PM (NMJWG)
With a left-handed shooter, your left hand would always be on or near the trigger, while you'd have to take your right hand off the forward stock to operate the bold, and then you'd have to aim again. That sounds less efficient.
Try reaching around the stock to work the bolt with your left hand. that is how the sniper dude in saving Private Ryan shoots, IIRC. That is where a straight bolt handle has an advantage over a bent one.
They also make left-handed actions, I think.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 06, 2015 08:50 PM (bZ7mE)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at October 06, 2015 08:50 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at October 06, 2015 08:51 PM (zyIlW)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 06, 2015 08:51 PM (WAX3V)
Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at October 06, 2015 08:51 PM (Twaz5)
And when you run out of ammo, you can beat them to death with it.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 06, 2015 08:51 PM (rwI+c)
Also a 9v and a piece of 0000 steel wool.
Posted by: dartist at October 06, 2015 08:51 PM (kDYa9)
Bought that costume yet?
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 06, 2015 08:42 PM (C6cTZ)
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*catclaws back at you*
I feel I'd get more wear out of this practical headgear:
http://tinyurl.com/ovcasww
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Wrapped in Bacon at October 06, 2015 08:51 PM (jR7Wy)
Recoil is robust, BUT you can always put .38+p Semi-wadcutters in it to torque it down...
ChemJeff et al the reason I suggest .357 is the wide array of ammo solutions and ability to tailor the ammo and platform to a shooters evolving needs.....
in a self-defense gun reliability is king IMHO....
a polished wheel gun goes click bang unless the ammo is screwy
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 06, 2015 08:51 PM (g8Hfr)
and rickl is still waiting for some feedback for #66
I can't help him -- I knows nuthink about lever-action rifles.
Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at October 06, 2015 08:46 PM (Twaz5)
I've seen a couple of comments suggesting shooting right-handed. That's worth trying.
I don't currently own a bolt-action rifle (although I'd like to), and I don't know of a rifle range near me, so my question was more or less academic.
Posted by: rickl at October 06, 2015 08:52 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: SMFH
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Aren't a bunch of those guys Warrants? They used to be.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 06, 2015 08:52 PM (9mTYi)
They come in PINK IIRC...
take the ammo choice down to .38sp and you'll be fine...
it's the magnum that adds the heavy recoil.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 06, 2015 08:52 PM (g8Hfr)
Waiting for the first Moron to click that link and go *thump* over some of the recommendations.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 06, 2015 08:53 PM (C6cTZ)
5 shots though so you better know how to point it.
Posted by: freaked at October 06, 2015 08:53 PM (BO/km)
I've seen a couple of comments suggesting shooting right-handed. That's worth trying.
Grey Fox says they might make a left-handed lever.
I'm also sinister.
Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at October 06, 2015 08:53 PM (Twaz5)
She's probably an expert on blowing up stuff.
Meh
Posted by: Mika's Last Date at October 06, 2015 08:53 PM (c7vUv)
Posted by: Tronald Dump at October 06, 2015 08:48 PM (u9UgT)
And if a civilian with a gun stopped it, it wouldn't be a mass shooting. Duh.
Posted by: rickl at October 06, 2015 08:54 PM (sdi6R)
How does concealing a gun work out? How do you avoid giving yourself away when hugging, for instance? Also, modern clothing fabric is quite thin, so how do you keep your gun from showing through?
Posted by: Emmie at October 06, 2015 08:54 PM (NMJWG)
Posted by: dartist
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Steel doesn't burn.
Posted by: Rosie O'Donnell at October 06, 2015 08:54 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 06, 2015 08:54 PM (WAX3V)
I would NOT rec a .357
I would rec a revolver; simple, fool proof(well), fairly cheap.
Easy to get and cheap ammo.
.32 to .38
That's if you only plan on getting ONE gun.
If you think you might want more, start with a .22 rifle. they're cheap and get you in the practice of gun handling.
then work up to a .38 revolver or 9mm pistol. By then you'll have a better idea what you like and what works good and you will have met people at the range that will be happy to help you out on just about anything.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at October 06, 2015 08:55 PM (x3GpS)
can anyone recommend the absolute easiest gun to learn how to use and maintain and buy ammo for, for the complete and utter n00b to buy?
Posted by: chemjeff
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Chemjeff, I am fond of anything in 9mm.
Full sized 9mm guns are pussycats to shoot.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at October 06, 2015 08:55 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: awkward davies at October 06, 2015 08:55 PM (mP1RE)
Those idiots on Discovery who do the survival show have taught me nothing at all, except a couple of ways to light a fire.
Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at October 06, 2015 08:55 PM (Twaz5)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 06, 2015 08:50 PM (C6cTZ)
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Is one strapped in or is it left to chance and Odin?
I would feel like a Valkyrie zooming around like that.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Wrapped in Bacon at October 06, 2015 08:55 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: Emmie
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It requires thought, and careful selection of dress and holster. It is a very important topic.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 06, 2015 08:56 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 06, 2015 08:56 PM (rwI+c)
You could almost write a book on the subject.
Generally, depending on build the pistol height and holster cant is what determines hugging and moving concealment. While the width of the pistol and holster, along with how broad your shoulders are, determine how easy it is to conceal under thin clothing.
Posted by: Chupacabra at October 06, 2015 08:57 PM (QFjNO)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at October 06, 2015 08:58 PM (hVdx9)
Glock makes an ugly weapon.
Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at October 06, 2015 08:58 PM (Twaz5)
Posted by: freaked at October 06, 2015 08:58 PM (BO/km)
I was tempted once to get a Glock 14, or maybe it was the 17. It was the littler one.
Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at October 06, 2015 08:58 PM (Twaz5)
Posted by: chemjeff at October 06, 2015 08:58 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 06, 2015 08:58 PM (WAX3V)
But it was so cool as the pilot did a steep bank while below the tree line to lean out, crane one's head, and see the top of the pine trees through the whir of the blades.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 06, 2015 08:58 PM (QU7W6)
I would like to carry on my person, because I would feel weird with a lethal device out of my direct control. I don't babysit my purse, and besides, it's too small to fit a gun.
Posted by: Emmie at October 06, 2015 08:59 PM (NMJWG)
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And that's when the fight started.
*rummages in desk drawer for the 1911 .38 Super*
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 06, 2015 08:59 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: SMFH
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I regret going to OCS every time I stand up on my shredded feet in the morning. Do it younger, boys! Avenge me!
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at October 06, 2015 08:59 PM (yxw0r)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at October 06, 2015 09:00 PM (zyIlW)
Posted by: Grump928(C)
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Muslims invented the Glock. Specifically me.
Posted by: Glockboy at October 06, 2015 09:00 PM (tLB7E)
If you're only going to have one gun for defense, make it a shotgun. They don't actually spread out the way the movies suggest but they will end a fight if you do your part.
Posted by: Chupacabra at October 06, 2015 09:00 PM (QFjNO)
Posted by: Emmie
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Thigh holster, natch.
I'm pretty sure that is what GGE uses.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 06, 2015 09:01 PM (9mTYi)
My last purchase with them was less then 120 days ago.
Still satisfied with it.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 06, 2015 09:01 PM (VPLuQ)
Tilikum sounds like sushi now. He clicked on the link.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 06, 2015 09:01 PM (QU7W6)
Agreed, BUT the nice thing about the .357 is you can put .38sp down it happily and the heavier frame reduces felt recoil by a margin while leaving room to grow.
Wife loved her '72 open tops but is pondering '73s in .357 as a replacement.
Posted by: Sven10077 at October 06, 2015 09:01 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 06, 2015 09:01 PM (WAX3V)
I have about 3K rounds of .303 as well. about 1K of Indian mfg from the late 1930s that is really clean and reliable. The other 2K are loose, mixed headcase in various conditions from clean to corroded that I need to sort though and pull the bullets on the corroded.
This ammo was probably the very last surplus .303 I've seen for sale anywhere and got it at R-Guns one day when I dropped by. Used to be tons of surplus Enfields and good clean late mfg. surplus ammo but when it dried up it dried up fast.
Posted by: Keith at October 06, 2015 09:01 PM (nFB1w)
I would feel like a Valkyrie zooming around like that.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Wrapped in Bacon at October 06, 2015 08:55 PM (jR7Wy)
Obligatory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi0nzmqp47A
Posted by: rickl at October 06, 2015 09:01 PM (sdi6R)
That is the reason why I went with a 1911 over a modern polymer pistol, despite the fact that the latter was cheaper and possibly more efficient- wood and steel with old-school craftsmanship, combined with a sense of nostalgia, got me excited about buying a gun. Black plastic didn't.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 06, 2015 09:01 PM (bZ7mE)
Posted by: Emmie at October 06, 2015 09:02 PM (NMJWG)
>wait to shoot it, or at least I couldn't until I priced
>out .303 British. Oy Vey! The cheapest I found
>was $.70/round in 500 round lots. I still can't
>wait to shoot it, but damn, that's a lot of money
>going up in smoke!
That's why you reload. Surplus M2 ball ammo for my M1 Garand starts around 65¢ (and that's for Berdan-primed ammo that's a pain in the ass to reload, though a couple lines down I found non-corrosive Boxer-primed ammo for 74¢), and most commercial .30-06 isn't recommended for use in a stock Garand. By comparison, I can get bullets for 10¢, and primer and powder add a few more cents to the cost of a reload.
Even if you don't start reloading right away, police up all your brass and save it for when you do. It's the most expensive component by far, and military brass is likely to be stronger and more reloadable than commercial brass (at least for .30-06, and probably other types of military origin).
Posted by: salfter at October 06, 2015 09:02 PM (9Xlyn)
Lots of info out there and help with any questions you may have about them.
Lots of parts available to customize you your taste.
Springfield XD is another line to look at.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at October 06, 2015 09:02 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: awkward davies at October 06, 2015 09:02 PM (mP1RE)
And when you get to operate, fix, and fire a SABOT round from a M1A2 SEP...
Damn.
Posted by: SMFH at it all at October 06, 2015 09:02 PM (zyIlW)
they tested for wound channel/damage and found that using a .40 or .44 or .45 did not make enough difference to justify the extra cost.
The only time you can reliably stop someone is to hit a large nerve bundle and that's mostly aim and the amount of clothing/protection the target has on.
I've read some folks complaining about the way a .40 snaps back ruining their aim and the .45 is basically a hand cannon and not for anyone with a weak grip.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at October 06, 2015 09:03 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: salfter at October 06, 2015 09:03 PM (9Xlyn)
I wouldn't be distraught if it lost it or it got stolen so that's the main reason I keep the 1911s at home, I mean at the bottom of the lake.
Posted by: freaked at October 06, 2015 09:04 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: chemjeff at October 06, 2015 09:04 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Anna Puma
****
I'm not dead yet...
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at October 06, 2015 09:05 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 06, 2015 09:05 PM (WAX3V)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 06, 2015 09:06 PM (9Fc79)
Generally, depending on build the pistol height and holster cant is what determines hugging and moving concealment. While the width of the pistol and holster, along with how broad your shoulders are, determine how easy it is to conceal under thin clothing.
Posted by: Chupacabra at October 06, 2015 08:57 PM (QFjNO)
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I tend to lean into my hugs, so maybe a holster somewhere on my front torso would work.
Posted by: Emmie at October 06, 2015 09:06 PM (NMJWG)
And that way I can write about all these nifty and obscure weapons.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 06, 2015 09:06 PM (QU7W6)
Form what I understand, a lot of women prefer to appendix carry; pretty sure there are a few websites out there dedicated to the unique challenges of female concealed carry.
Posted by: Chupacabra at October 06, 2015 09:06 PM (QFjNO)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at October 06, 2015 09:02 PM (hVdx9)
****
Yep. I have 2 XDs, 2 XDMs, and 2 XDSs.
Never a single problem with any of them, and the original 2 XDs have easily 5000 apiece through them.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at October 06, 2015 09:07 PM (otTnh)
Posted by: Emmie
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There might be legality issues for that in some jurisdictions. For instance, in Georgia, ankle holsters are illegal.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 06, 2015 09:07 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: freaked at October 06, 2015 09:08 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 06, 2015 09:08 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: chemjeff
****
Glock , Springfield XD, S&W M&P 9. I almost bought the S&W, but funds at the time stopped me.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at October 06, 2015 09:08 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at October 06, 2015 09:08 PM (zyIlW)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 06, 2015 09:08 PM (tLB7E)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at October 06, 2015 09:05 PM (hVdx9)
Famous last words before eaten alive by an Ette.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at October 06, 2015 09:09 PM (0NdlF)
They make some fine compacts and sub compacts many of them with integrated laser sights. these are smaller for both concealability and for the use of people with smaller hands.
They are built in all sorts of calibers.
Drop into your local gun store they'll be glad to show you what they have and advise.
Yeah I know; .38 vs .357, 9mm vs .45, plastic vs steel, bow vs cross bow.
I knew when I said that someone might be offended but it is a fact they can be a handful for a beginner.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at October 06, 2015 09:09 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: chemjeff at October 06, 2015 09:09 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 06, 2015 09:09 PM (QU7W6)
Will get old carrying a duffle bag everywhere...
Posted by: SMFH at it all at October 06, 2015 09:08 PM (zyIlW)
How about a cute pink pig?
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at October 06, 2015 09:09 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at October 06, 2015 09:03 PM (x3GpS)
******
I have 9mm and .45 in pistols because I have found both of those push directly back at me. The .40s I have fired snap up and make it harder to keep on a target.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at October 06, 2015 09:10 PM (otTnh)
Do they have water proof gun safes?
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 06, 2015 09:05 PM (WAX3V)
I think yesterday, somebody was touting a new line of gun safes - 'Davey Jones Gun Lockers'
Posted by: Doom Rider at October 06, 2015 09:10 PM (ImLO6)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 06, 2015 09:07 PM (
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Wow, I never would have thought there would be laws about types of holsters!
Posted by: Emmie at October 06, 2015 09:11 PM (NMJWG)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at October 06, 2015 09:11 PM (zyIlW)
As for Golden Isis I am still getting Kindle sales. Even managed to sell a copy in Japan. Even sold a few of the books.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 06, 2015 09:11 PM (QU7W6)
Posted by: Chupacabra at October 06, 2015 09:12 PM (QFjNO)
Posted by: Emmie at
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You probably don't know that there are laws which limit the carry of knives, but there are.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 06, 2015 09:12 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at October 06, 2015 09:12 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 06, 2015 09:13 PM (bZ7mE)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 06, 2015 09:13 PM (QU7W6)
Posted by: chemjeff at October 06, 2015 09:14 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 06, 2015 09:13 PM (QU7W6)
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Bring out yer dead!
Posted by: Emmie at October 06, 2015 09:14 PM (NMJWG)
Yeah, .303 is not as common or cheap as it used to be. All shot up.
But, very nice No. 1 nonetheless. Loud, but the kick ain't too terrible bad.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 06, 2015 09:14 PM (Iulmi)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 06, 2015 09:14 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 06, 2015 09:15 PM (QU7W6)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at October 06, 2015 09:11 PM (zyIlW)
Awww, you sure?
https://youtu.be/pDPTr97JawQ?t=14s
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at October 06, 2015 09:15 PM (0NdlF)
I could manage the weight but I don't think my back could anymore.
I'll wait until I can go cyborg.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at October 06, 2015 09:16 PM (x3GpS)
holy shit Russia has nukes
but then I visit
People of Wal-Mart
Posted by: Feh at October 06, 2015 09:16 PM (Uk9e2)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at October 06, 2015 09:16 PM (zyIlW)
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I still want an Ontos as a daily driver.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 06, 2015 09:17 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at October 06, 2015 09:17 PM (hVdx9)
Pig: no.
Ammo dipped in pig fat: priceless.
Posted by: SMFH at it all at October 06, 2015 09:11 PM (zyIlW)
*******
Behold the following. Remove the space. Highlarious.
http://www.ammoland.com/2013/06/peace-through- pork-jihawg-defensive-ammunition/
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at October 06, 2015 09:17 PM (otTnh)
Posted by: Sven10077 at October 06, 2015 09:17 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: AltonJackson at October 06, 2015 09:17 PM (KCxzN)
Modern man conceals are Star .25 in a chenille manpurse . Anything larger than 25 scuffes his manicure .
Posted by: awkward davies at October 06, 2015 09:17 PM (mP1RE)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 06, 2015 09:18 PM (WAX3V)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at October 06, 2015 09:18 PM (zyIlW)
I don't own but I've been doing research and much of what you'll read on the internets is similar to the advice above. Some advice that I've found common to other boards/threads:
As Bitter Clinger wrote: Consider starting with a .22 rifle; the basics you learn will aid you on almost every other platform.
As ManWithNoParty wrote: Go to a range, take the safety course, rent a few styles. And then go back and do it again. Take notes.
Caliber: A ) some recommend starting on the 9mm caliber or even .22 to avoid developing bad habits like flinching. B ) larger calibers aren't necessarily better for homedefnse, etc. Because C ) bad habits and not wanting to practice are the worst combination. 2 rounds of well-shot 9mm beats 6 poorly shot .50 anyday of the week.
Style: pistol v. revolver, 1911 vs. striker fired, etc; again you can make the decision yourself after operating a selection of each. Each have the pluses and minuses. Bigger isn't necessarily better, neither nor is the reverse true.
There are too many variables involved; weight, grip size, grip style, covers, bore axis, external controls, reloading, safety measures, etc. to make simple suggestions like "you should buy the CZ 75B."
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 06, 2015 09:18 PM (JmGFJ)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 06, 2015 09:18 PM (QU7W6)
Posted by: chemjeff at October 06, 2015 09:18 PM (uZNvH)
In NC, strictly speaking, you can carry pretty much anything except for a switchblade IF it is not concealed or at a political rally or for the purpose of 'terrorizing the public." So, strictly speaking, I could strap on a bowie knife or a Scottish dirkto go shopping, but I carry anything but a common pocketknife in my pocket I am committing a felony...
I don't think that I am going to be grocery shopping with my big sheath knife on any time soon, though.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 06, 2015 09:18 PM (bZ7mE)
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Does this mean that Ravens have gone out of style?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 06, 2015 09:19 PM (9mTYi)
The Coonan is pricey-starts at just under $1400-so the fallback is a revolver
Posted by: Chico Escuela
Coonan also makes very nice FAL receivers.
I have a Coonan .357 1911 shirt somewhere I got with my receiver...aaaaaaaand now I have a boner.
Posted by: Oedipus at October 06, 2015 09:19 PM (CXLVd)
My S&W Model 28, Highway Patrolman with 4" bbl., is "minute of bowling pin" accurate from the bench, at 100 yards.
That, with 148 gr. full wadcutter ammo. Vintage '70s, Super X, factory stuff. Estate sale a few years back. Soft lead, projectiles look just like a 55 gal. oil drum. Hollow base on 'em, so that the propellant gasses obdurate the bullet, expanding it tightly into the rifling.
With those "bunny fart" loads, there isn't much more than a .22 lr level of recoil, and they cut a "paper punch", clean round hole into any paper target you're using for practice.
Then you can step up to most any .38+P load. High pressure .38 Special rounds, which are actually far less "hot" than any average .357 Mag. loading. But plenty enough sizzle for good defensive work, if needed.
Then you can get into "average" .357 Magnum loads. The traditional 125 gr. Federal (for example) JHP (jacketed hollow point) is a great and highly proven defensive load. More traditional is the 158 gr. JHP, but that extra recoil isn't new-shooter friendly.
My round of choice is the Winchester Silvertip, 145 gr. in .357 Mag. About a "7.5" on the "heat" scale as .357 loadings go. Very effective, very accurate, and very, very consistent in trajectory, point of impact and low variation from lot to lot.
At the top of the scale are the low weight, ultra high pressure and velocity rounds from CorBon, or the heavy weight, high pressure, high recoil and medium velocity rounds from Buffalo Bore. The later are very popular for those who hunt large game with their handguns.
In short, there's very little that a quality .357 revolver cannot do, and do very well indeed.
Finally, good luck on finding .32 ammo in the wild. It's considered obsolete, and there's just not that much of it to be found on the shelves.
But the .357 will let you shoot any .38 Special or any .357 Mag round, and those are as common as a politician's lies.
One gun? .357 Magnum revolver. S&W, Ruger, Taurus or Rossi are all good choices. Damn Colts have become so stratospherically priced, as to be out of the running in practical terms.
I highly prefer the S&W "L" or "N" frames. But to a new buyer, I'd point 'em to the Ruger GP-100. Absolutely indestructible, accurate and beautifully made. Maybe not the jewler's grade trigger of the S&W, but close enough.
Hell, I'm gonna add one to my doomed canoe of a gunsafe, so I'll be putting my money where my keyboard is, too.
Good luck, y'all!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at October 06, 2015 09:19 PM (McRlu)
Boss Moss, yeah. I guess my story telling style did not agree with them.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 06, 2015 09:20 PM (QU7W6)
Massachusetts has laws prohibiting "clubs." If you fashion a stick into a club, it's illegal. Stuff like that.
Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at October 06, 2015 09:20 PM (Twaz5)
Posted by: Chupacabra at October 06, 2015 09:21 PM (QFjNO)
If you have the opportunity to take Andrew Branca's LOSD class... Do. It.
5 1/2 hours FLEW by, absolutely terrific. I came away with new confidence in my CCW, and a humbled by the responsibility.
Just....Wow.
Posted by: speedster1 at October 06, 2015 09:21 PM (1brdf)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 06, 2015 09:21 PM (QU7W6)
Sight alignment, sight picture, easy skweezy
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 06, 2015 09:22 PM (ij7E3)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 06, 2015 09:22 PM (9mTYi)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi0nzmqp47A
Posted by: rickl at October 06, 2015 09:01 PM (sdi6R)
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And I counter with Pork Lips Now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF-Pk0md87o
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Wrapped in Bacon at October 06, 2015 09:23 PM (jR7Wy)
and if you ever want to work in some kewl chemistry into your next book just let me know ok I think it is time for me to hit the hay a little early so good night all
Posted by: chemjeff at October 06, 2015 09:24 PM (uZNvH)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 06, 2015 09:22 PM (9mTYi)
SWAT team is en route. Please stay seated and don't make any sudden movements.
Posted by: NSA-Bob at October 06, 2015 09:24 PM (0NdlF)
56 49 Posted by: East Bay KG at October 06, 2015 07:40 PM (YUrE9)
Israel has a rather generous definition of "reservist"...
the teachers are armed, plenty of folks are licensed....
there is no 2d amendment, but you can carry an M-1 carbine to the market depending on your neighborhood.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 06, 2015 07:42 PM (g8Hfr)
184 171 Is there an appreciable difference between .3 caliber level rifle and a .223/5.56 rifle in terms of taking someone down?
Who was it that said soldiers need to be able to shoot THRU stuff?
Posted by: freaked at October 06, 2015 08:44 PM (BO/km)
7.62x54r: Turning cover into concealment since 1891.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 06, 2015 09:24 PM (o98Jz)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 06, 2015 09:25 PM (QU7W6)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at October 06, 2015 09:25 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at October 06, 2015 09:25 PM (hVdx9)
Anything over 2" is felony to carry into a post office, too. Just found that out a couple weeks ago.
Stupid, scary place we live in these days....
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 06, 2015 09:25 PM (bZ7mE)
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 06, 2015 09:18 PM (bZ7mE)
I've got a 36" (that's just the blade) scimitar, yes curved blade, thicker towards the point. The kind Hollywood has the eunuchs chopping heads with.
I'd love to strap that on and do that scene "that's not a knife, THIS is a knife" but I know I wouldn't get far with it. And it would be hard driving around with it on. (or even on the seat.)
It's not a fake decorator made out of pot metal either it's stainless steel made in either Pokistan or India.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at October 06, 2015 09:25 PM (x3GpS)
SCOTUS has found that individuals have the right to keep and bear arms....
SCOTUS has found that a woman has the right to choose an abortion.......
Why do the liberal/socialist/marxist anti gun zealots deem abortion rights sacrosanct - but not gun rights?? aren't they both THE LAW OF THE LAND????
Posted by: cathymv at October 06, 2015 09:26 PM (5HStK)
Posted by: Dr. Doghouse at October 06, 2015 09:26 PM (2qUsu)
Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at October 06, 2015 09:20 PM (Twaz5)
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Must be cuz of the bog rats and their shillelaghs.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Wrapped in Bacon at October 06, 2015 09:26 PM (jR7Wy)
Sight alignment, sight picture, easy skweezy
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 06, 2015 09:22 PM (ij7E3)
******
I do that with all, but.40 still comes up off of target some. The 9mm and .45 stays dead on, so that's what I'm more comfortable with.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at October 06, 2015 09:26 PM (otTnh)
Posted by: NSA-Bob
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You'll never take me alive coppers!
Posted by: James Cagney at October 06, 2015 09:27 PM (9mTYi)
or at least that's what I've heard.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at October 06, 2015 09:28 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 06, 2015 09:28 PM (o98Jz)
I prefer 9mm and .45, but I keep the .40's around for redundancy.
Posted by: Chupacabra at October 06, 2015 09:28 PM (QFjNO)
Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at October 06, 2015 09:29 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: JTB at October 06, 2015 09:29 PM (FvdPb)
Posted by: Macaroni & Cheese at October 06, 2015 09:30 PM (9mTYi)
One tough stabbed in the heart , expired shortly thereafter , two others in the hospital with serious wounds . Skinny redneck back home safely
I knew the dead guy, vaguely , he had it coming , asshole bully .
Posted by: awkward davies at October 06, 2015 09:30 PM (mP1RE)
A lot of people just don't shoot .40 all that well.
I prefer 9mm and .45, but I keep the .40's around for redundancy.
Posted by: Chupacabra at October 06, 2015 09:28 PM (QFjNO)
Yeah, count me among them. Good round, but the .40 just doesn't agree with me.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 06, 2015 09:31 PM (o98Jz)
SCOTUS has found that a woman has the right to choose an abortion.......
Why do the liberal/socialist/marxist anti gun zealots deem abortion
rights sacrosanct - but not gun rights?? aren't they both THE LAW OF
THE LAND????
Posted by: cathymv at October 06, 2015 09:26 PM (5HStK)
They only follow the laws they want to or go along with their agenda. Look at Prezzy Douchebag
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 06, 2015 09:31 PM (DiZBp)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at October 06, 2015 09:32 PM (0O7c5)
I'm partial to 38s but almost bought a little small-frame in .32HR before I got it. Man, does that little round move.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 06, 2015 09:32 PM (Iulmi)
All those hoses, hinges, rotating parts....who'd a thunk it might be a leaker?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 06, 2015 09:34 PM (Iulmi)
Stun guns too, I think.
Posted by: @votermom at October 06, 2015 09:35 PM (cbfNE)
a .40 has a little higher muzzle velocity. I bet you're just bitchin about hitting the four ring instead of pasting an X.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 06, 2015 09:36 PM (ij7E3)
Thanks for teaching me well dad.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at October 06, 2015 09:36 PM (hVdx9)
The Mosin is tough but not made to same high level.
Posted by: JTB at October 06, 2015 09:29 PM (FvdPb)
The Finn-reworked versions like the M39 are probably the exception to that. I have an antique built on an 1896 Izhevsk receiver that I got from Pat Burns back when they still had antiques in stock. Insanely accurate, and downright giggle-inducing when you shoot. The action is much smoother than a Russian Mosin, but still a bit clunky compared to a Mauser or Enfield.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 06, 2015 09:36 PM (o98Jz)
Posted by: Walter White at October 06, 2015 09:37 PM (G7t9U)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 06, 2015 09:37 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: @votermom at October 06, 2015 09:37 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at October 06, 2015 09:38 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Sven10077 at October 06, 2015 09:38 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 06, 2015 09:36 PM (ij7E3)
*****
I wish that were the truth....
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at October 06, 2015 09:38 PM (otTnh)
Stun guns too, I think.
Posted by: @votermom
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Can you throw rocks?
Slingshots?
Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 06, 2015 09:39 PM (9mTYi)
And I counter with Pork Lips Now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF-Pk0md87o
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Wrapped in Bacon at October 06, 2015 09:23 PM (jR7Wy)
Ha! That's good.
Posted by: rickl at October 06, 2015 09:39 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Sven10077 at October 06, 2015 09:38 PM (g8Hfr)
Even an orange in a sock works... or so I've heard.
Posted by: @votermom at October 06, 2015 09:39 PM (cbfNE)
When I'm depressed at my groupings, I wait for cease-fire, change my targets, and back at the line hold the target over my chest.
Sure, I'll win no contests.
But I wouldn't want to be downrange from me, either.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 06, 2015 09:39 PM (kKHcp)
Posted by: Mike Hammer
****
How is it to shoot?
Posted by: Tilikum Killer
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That's my question too.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 06, 2015 09:39 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at October 06, 2015 09:41 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: Dickhead Shitbird at October 06, 2015 09:41 PM (Y8P5w)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 06, 2015 09:41 PM (WAX3V)
Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 06, 2015 09:41 PM (kKHcp)
Slingshots?
Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 06, 2015 09:39 PM (9mTYi)
It's ok to own guns though. And hunting knives. And bows.
So I think it's some weird holdover from a while ago or something.
Posted by: @votermom at October 06, 2015 09:42 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: OneEyedJack
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Doesn't everyone have a few pounds of #8 shot around, just for this purpose?
Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 06, 2015 09:43 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Agitator at October 06, 2015 09:43 PM (hBT//)
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If I was on one, there'd be leakage. Yowza!
I'm watching a documentary on the V-22:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy8k0n6ywqI
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Wrapped in Bacon at October 06, 2015 09:43 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 06, 2015 09:44 PM (Iulmi)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 06, 2015 09:44 PM (WAX3V)
While I prefer the .45 I love the hi-cap mags available for most .40's. You can never have too much ammo.
Posted by: Sixkiller at October 06, 2015 09:44 PM (bfpzm)
Posted by: Mike Hammer
****
How is it to shoot?
Posted by: Tilikum Killer
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That's my question too.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
and .41
Posted by: Jean at October 06, 2015 09:44 PM (ztOda)
O_o
What if it's pointy on one end? "This? This isn't a club, it's a pike."
Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at October 06, 2015 09:45 PM (vn2q2)
It's better than a club or a sap because there's no sharp edges. It's sharp edges that breaks bones.
The sand conforms to the strike area and delivers the energy uniformly.
Hit someone in the right spot and they'll fold like a cheap camera.
They'll at least know they've been hit and you don't have any pesky bruises or broken bones in your hand and it's easy to dispose of before the cops show up.
Or so I've been told.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at October 06, 2015 09:45 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 06, 2015 09:43 PM (9mTYi)
Ouch! But that right there is what's called a sap, whereas mine is just legal tender in a container of convenience.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 06, 2015 09:45 PM (kKHcp)
you'd do just fine. We have a place on the river that gets broken into a lot. We were there one night, checking on this van. We have a lot of Russian/Eastern Europeans out here and there were a few in that van. One of them started ranting about how that was HIS place and we needed to leave. I got out of the driver's side, held up my .22 revolver so that it was visible and started telling them that they needed to leave. Another fellow in the van pulled the ranter inside and they drove off. We reported the license plate to the cops and they said they had been looking for them. They are suspected of theft and drug dealing. We are on good terms with the Moldovians, who fish for squawfish here and they said they would get the word out for these folks to stay away. We haven't seen them sense.
Could I have shot them? Yes, if they made threatening moves towards us. It's a .22, but that's what James Brady was shot with. Sometimes, just the sight of a gun will resolve the situation. And we posted this story, to a Facebook friend asking if anyone had personally seen a gun resolve a bad situation.
Posted by: notsothoreau at October 06, 2015 09:46 PM (5HBd1)
Might be an artifact of the attempt to stamp out the practice of wearing and dueling with big knives and daggers that was popular 1830-60 in some (mostly southern) states.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 06, 2015 09:46 PM (bZ7mE)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 06, 2015 09:46 PM (WAX3V)
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at October 06, 2015 09:47 PM (k9qR4)
Posted by: Jean at October 06, 2015 09:48 PM (ztOda)
Yes, sometimes that's all. Sounds like they got word from the local EastEuros about fishing down there and just decided to move in and bluff anyone else off.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 06, 2015 09:49 PM (Iulmi)
.303 is not a difficult cartridge to reload, remember it is .311/.312 diameter, the same as 7.7 Arisaka and 7.62x39. The Wolf and Prvi Partizan necks could stand to be re-annealed before reloading, but it is not essential.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 06, 2015 09:49 PM (3pRHP)
also a Chinese SKS barreled receiver...need parts for that too.
gotta love SARCO.
not to mention a new DSA type 2 FAL receiver... but i believe i know where i can get an Imbrel kit for that locally, hand select no less. the trick is to assemble it so it functions, apparently. "learn by doing", it looks like
guess i better finish the reloading/gunsmithing bench, right after i get the BBQ pagoda done, eh?
(which has to happen before the rains get here...if they come %-)
Posted by: redc1c4 at October 06, 2015 09:49 PM (cWCM5)
O_o
What if it's pointy on one end? "This? This isn't a club, it's a pike."
Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken
Anything used in preparation of an attack is potentially a charge against you. Pennies in socks, tennis balls, hiking sticks - if you live in one the brownshirt states and happen to catch the attention of a prosecutor, you are fucked to the tune of several $k in lawyer fees and a plea deal on your record.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 06, 2015 09:50 PM (JmGFJ)
No , I don't have any bags of shot that could be used to make saps or various cudgels .
*Looks , around furtively*
What have you heard ,,,
I mean , why do you ask ?
Posted by: awkward davies at October 06, 2015 09:50 PM (mP1RE)
I've had real good luck with S&B.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 06, 2015 09:52 PM (Iulmi)
Posted by: Corona at October 06, 2015 09:53 PM (tWUja)
Posted by: Jean at October 06, 2015 09:53 PM (ztOda)
Fine, throw it on the ground and walk away. Hard to get prints off of a pair of socks.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 06, 2015 09:53 PM (kKHcp)
Posted by: awkward davies
---------------------------------
Well, I have only heard that it's useful for such things.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 06, 2015 09:53 PM (9mTYi)
Neither are objectionable in those small-ish guns, even though the .327 Federal Mag has quite the sharp recoil impulse. But it's not a heavy recoil, and thus quite manageable.
A revolver chambered in .327 Federal Magnum is "backwards compatible" all the way down to the ancient .32 S&W loading, making it theoretically more versatile than a .357 Magnum.
That said, you can find .38 Special and .357 Magnum ammo pretty much anywhere.
The various .32 loadings are more....shall we say....esoteric? Which you may translate as "nearly impossible to find."
But if all you have to carry is a .32 H&R Mag, or better still, the .327 Federal Magnum, you are certainly not undergunned.
On paper, at least, the 327 Federal Mag. can perform with, at least on "energy" terms, a basic .357 Magnum load. And usually gives you one extra hole in the chamber, a more than worthwhile bonus in it's own right.
Now, if someone would make a Marlin type lever rifle in .327 Federal Magnum, they'd have a winner.
I think the H&R Handi Rifle can be had in that chambering though. What a burner that'd be!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at October 06, 2015 09:55 PM (McRlu)
potentially a charge against you. Pennies in socks, tennis balls, hiking
sticks - if you live in one the brownshirt states and happen to catch
the attention of a prosecutor, you are fucked to the tune of several $k
in lawyer fees and a plea deal on your record.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 06, 2015 09:50 PM (JmGFJ)
So that 2' piece of broom handle in the back of my truck could be problematic?
Posted by: cm9000 at October 06, 2015 09:57 PM (2TUVm)
Cops are rated by arrests, DA's are rated by convictions and penalties assessed.
You have a right to remain silent and you should. Remain silent that is.
Once the cops show up, you aren't going to talk yourself out of anything. Most likely talk yourself into a jail cell.
Don't be snarky about it just say you don't have anything to say right now.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at October 06, 2015 09:57 PM (x3GpS)
Bonus 800 rounds of 9mm? Geez, that's worth $200, worth way more than your $10-20 foam sword.
QQ moar about your windfall.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at October 06, 2015 07:28 PM (0NdlF)
Worse than that, that was Sellier and Bellot ammo. That is like getting an unexpected fifth of Laphroaig in Mt. Dew shipment.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 06, 2015 09:57 PM (3pRHP)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 06, 2015 09:57 PM (WAX3V)
363 If chemjeff and emmie are still on, check out the Ruger LCR .38 Special snub nose revolver with low profile hammer.
Posted by: Walter White at October 06, 2015 09:37 PM (G7t9U)
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I like!
Time to start a list. I already have a Rhino in mind to try someday.
Posted by: Emmie at October 06, 2015 09:58 PM (NMJWG)
Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 06, 2015 09:53 PM (kKHcp)
Okay, that's a quick toss-off line, but it does bring up a more serious issue.
For you folks in very restrictive states, has the thought of leaving the scene ever crossed your minds? For self-defense, of course, but still, what with the legal fees and potential jail time, and after all, you didn't ask to be attacked, did it ever cross your mind?
Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 06, 2015 09:58 PM (kKHcp)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 06, 2015 09:59 PM (WAX3V)
Posted by: cm9000
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Just put a tire iron back there.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 06, 2015 09:59 PM (9mTYi)
Depends on if you can show that it has a peaceful purpose.
I carried a piece of aluminum tubing with an O.D. of 1.25". Fit my jack handle perfectly and that's what it's there for Officer. Extra leverage on the handle, sir.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at October 06, 2015 10:00 PM (x3GpS)
avoid giving yourself away when hugging, for instance? Also, modern
clothing fabric is quite thin, so how do you keep your gun from showing
through?
Posted by: Emmie at October 06, 2015 08:54 PM (NMJWG)
Holsters that look like cell phone cases:
http://tinyurl.com/oztaa3b
Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 06, 2015 10:00 PM (NaeCR)
http://tinyurl.com/oo7yfek
Complete bolts are sold out, but the stripped blot body might be a start...
Keep an eye on Gunbroker. Ebay might have something, sometime. You might also put out a WTB notice on some of the surplus forums.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 06, 2015 10:00 PM (bZ7mE)
Hey, asshole, I drive you to the airport.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at October 06, 2015 10:01 PM (oVJmc)
Watching criminal minds in the hotel room definitely makes me wish I had a gun. This show is so creepy...
Posted by: Lea at October 06, 2015 10:02 PM (cMcXK)
OMG. The guy who killed Deputy Darren Goforth by killing him from behind as he pumped gas? Killers lawyer is asking for all the deputies cell phone records. They are arguing he wasn't on duty so it wasn't capital murder. His poor family
Posted by: ThunderB at October 06, 2015 10:02 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 06, 2015 10:03 PM (WAX3V)
I thought I heard H&R was getting out of the single shot rifle business?
Posted by: Jean at October 06, 2015 10:03 PM (ztOda)
Posted by: OneEyedJack
Walk away from where? Your apartment? Good luck convincing the manager that you never lived there afterwards.
Walk away from getting jumped on the street? Witnesses? SecCameras? Smartphones? ATM cameras?
House outside the city? Again, see the conditions I named above - brownshirt state and an interested prosecutor.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 06, 2015 10:03 PM (JmGFJ)
But they never GO!
Barbra S. has sworn to leave a few times but the beyotch is still here. Go babs go. Please.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at October 06, 2015 10:03 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old and unimproved. at October 06, 2015 10:04 PM (dOD0J)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 06, 2015 09:59 PM (9mTYi)
Or a baseball bat.
But don't forget the glove and softball.
Pro tip: know the location of the nearest batting cages.
Posted by: Sixkiller at October 06, 2015 10:04 PM (bfpzm)
Except if you have a ton of old surplus stuff that's Berdan primer . . .
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at October 06, 2015 10:04 PM (k9qR4)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at October 06, 2015 10:05 PM (zyIlW)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 06, 2015 10:05 PM (WAX3V)
Complete bolts are sold out, but the stripped blot body might be a start... "
Came up with the same. Still looking.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 06, 2015 10:05 PM (Iulmi)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 06, 2015 10:05 PM (WAX3V)
Except in Dallas, whose DA is a depressive to the point of not being competent to do her job:
http://tinyurl.com/p946pco
On the bright side, if the counsel for the defence knows to quote some kick-ass early Sisters Of Mercy lyrics, you're golden.
(To self-disclose, having read Houston's crime-blotters, I'd certainly be too depressed to do a Dallas DA's job myself. But then, I am not a Texan DA.)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 06, 2015 10:06 PM (aLXXe)
Posted by: ThunderB at October 06, 2015 10:07 PM (zOTsN)
Here's the way it was splained to me.
The AK was designed to be
fired and poorly maintained by illiterate savages. While the AR was
meant to be fired and PROPERLY maintained by somewhat more literate
civilians beaten from plowshares into swords. I have one of each rifle
and like them both immensely. Guess that makes me a moron.
Posted by: Eromero at October 06, 2015 08:03 PM (go5uR)
I remember when Kalashnikov died Duffleblog said that after being buried they expected to dig the man up a week later, hose him off and dose him with lots of oil, and he should be back functioning as good as ever.
They also stated that the problem turned out that had a cheap Chinese liver replacement instead of Rom-AK liver like he thought he was picking up.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 06, 2015 10:08 PM (3pRHP)
avoid giving yourself away when hugging, for instance? Also, modern
clothing fabric is quite thin, so how do you keep your gun from showing
through?
Posted by: Emmie
1. Only hug people who know you are armed. Wife prefers it that way. Strippers don't care.
2. 5.11 Holster shirt for under light clothing. When I travel to the sunnier parts of the world - I have the Diamondback version.
3. When I carry, I'm usually driving alot - so I like a shoulder rig and light jacket or jac shirt.
Posted by: Jean at October 06, 2015 10:08 PM (ztOda)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 06, 2015 10:08 PM (WAX3V)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/ne4jtvh
Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 06, 2015 10:09 PM (9mTYi)
But don't forget the glove and softball.
Pro tip: know the location of the nearest batting cages.
Posted by: Sixkiller
All of the above plus muddy cleats and a stained jockstrap.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 06, 2015 10:09 PM (JmGFJ)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at October 06, 2015 10:09 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: ThunderB
Shoot a guy while he's on a coffee break then it's OK?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 06, 2015 10:09 PM (9Fc79)
Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at October 06, 2015 10:10 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at October 06, 2015 10:10 PM (vn2q2)
I know that one can actually convert Berdan to Boxer. Don't know how, though, except that it is time-intensive. If you've got a lot of Berdan-primed brass, it might be worth looking into, though.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 06, 2015 10:10 PM (bZ7mE)
Posted by: ThunderB at October 06, 2015 10:07 PM (zOTsN)
****
What can that possibly have to do with this case?
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at October 06, 2015 10:10 PM (otTnh)
Just the morons, in a joking semi drunken thread have already come up with a dozen potentially leathal expedients .
I do shit with wood . I could make a walking stick that would be an absolute nightmare to have against you in a fight .
A few extra pieces of steel , lead , brass or copper , easy to hide in a cane or stick of fancy hardwood .
Posted by: awkward davies at October 06, 2015 10:10 PM (mP1RE)
Yeah. Gal's got something going on. Re-hab for what is known quite known. She was a judge with a decent record before.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 06, 2015 10:11 PM (Iulmi)
Fuck that noise.
The fact that this shitstain's lawyer is trying to float this shit is even more fucked up.
Yeah, good reason why lawyers rank below whale shit.
Posted by: SMFH at it all at October 06, 2015 10:11 PM (zyIlW)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 06, 2015 10:12 PM (WAX3V)
http://tinyurl.com/oztaa3b
Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 06, 2015 10:00 PM (
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Clever!
Posted by: Emmie at October 06, 2015 10:12 PM (NMJWG)
Posted by: freaked at October 06, 2015 10:13 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at October 06, 2015 10:13 PM (0O7c5)
Well, if he was ahead of you in line, and he ordered a double-espresso latte with some obscure flavour, which the shop didn't have, and then started haggling the price, and brought out a $100 and asked to make change for it...
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 06, 2015 10:14 PM (aLXXe)
Posted by: Barry Diller at October 06, 2015 10:14 PM (Dwehj)
Nothing. Just Saul Goodman defaming the victim BS.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 06, 2015 10:14 PM (Iulmi)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 06, 2015 10:14 PM (WAX3V)
Ok, I'll just throw this out again. If you buy a life membership with Coastal Conservation Texas you get a free AR-15.
ccatexas.org
I was planning to give them money anyway, but I also thought why do I need another AR in addition to the Christmas Bushmaster?
After yesterday's confiscation thread, the more "assault weapons" the better. There's a 12 week wait for my this latest. Yipee!
Posted by: stace at October 06, 2015 10:15 PM (CoX6k)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at October 06, 2015 10:15 PM (hVdx9)
latte with some obscure flavour, which the shop didn't have, and then
started haggling the price, and brought out a $100 and asked to make
change for it...
Your defense lawyer wants me on that jury.
Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at October 06, 2015 10:16 PM (vn2q2)
Posted by: boulder
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Slam-dunk 'crime of passion' defense.
Might be justifiable homicide.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 06, 2015 10:16 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 06, 2015 10:16 PM (Iulmi)
Posted by: stace at October 06, 2015 10:16 PM (CoX6k)
Posted by: Sven10077 at October 06, 2015 10:16 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Walter White at October 06, 2015 10:17 PM (G7t9U)
Posted by: Emmie at October 06, 2015 10:17 PM (NMJWG)
Posted by: stace
Christmas Bushmaster?
So Michael Bay and Thomas Kincade designed a gun?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 06, 2015 10:17 PM (JmGFJ)
The link above has some well made guns from Australia. Two of them look like a pro made them.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at October 06, 2015 10:18 PM (hVdx9)
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at October 06, 2015 10:18 PM (yxw0r)
Posted by: oldgeezer at October 06, 2015 10:18 PM (4pPcl)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 06, 2015 10:20 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Emmie at October 06, 2015 10:21 PM (NMJWG)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 06, 2015 10:17 PM (JmGFJ)
Yes, the "painter of lights" now refers to tactical lights and laser sights.
Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 06, 2015 10:22 PM (kKHcp)
Learn me. I don't see that offered or mentioned when I select "Life Membership $1000."
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 06, 2015 10:22 PM (Iulmi)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 06, 2015 08:29 PM (C6cTZ
In 1938 the Beretta sub gun came out, and the 7.35 Terni (Carcano) was introduced, but the police would have had pistols, and the Caribinari would have had older guns, probably WWI 1891 and later variant 6.5 Carcanos if not the older 10.5 Vetterli Vitalis.
I would guess the cops would have had the Beretta pistols, either in .32, 9 Glisenti (low powered 9 parabellum) or the later models in 9 Luger.
I mean, way out in the sticks they probably had Caribinari units with 10.4 Bodeo revolver, but not in modern Rome.
I will look for info on the Swiss Guard.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 06, 2015 10:24 PM (3pRHP)
Posted by: Jean at October 06, 2015 10:24 PM (ztOda)
Yeah, there's some super rare boxer primer sizes that come close enough to the standard berdan primer sizes that with some extra work and a lot of expense you can get it to work. Probably cheaper to just recycle the brass and buy new stuff, though. Unless you're utterly stuck.
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at October 06, 2015 10:24 PM (k9qR4)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at October 06, 2015 10:24 PM (zyIlW)
I can't describe the problems.
Finishing this glass of wine and going to bed.
Posted by: Farmer at October 06, 2015 10:25 PM (o/90i)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 06, 2015 10:25 PM (JmGFJ)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at October 06, 2015 10:25 PM (zyIlW)
but hire a gunsmith to double check the weapon to make sure it's a 2a1....
Posted by: Sven10077 at October 06, 2015 10:26 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains
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*sigh* fine. Identifying as willow. Give it a minute.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 06, 2015 10:26 PM (IAtTy)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 06, 2015 10:27 PM (JmGFJ)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at October 06, 2015 10:27 PM (zyIlW)
wasn't on duty he was visiting his mistress. They are dragging him
through the mud. Poor wife
Posted by: ThunderB at October 06, 2015 10:07 PM (zOTsN)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
So, the defense is that the perp "knew" he wasn't on duty?Let them run with it.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 06, 2015 10:27 PM (NaeCR)
I see those from time to time. Wonder. Pass because I don't need another big caliber milsurp.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 06, 2015 10:28 PM (Iulmi)
The rest of us will just watch.
Posted by: Jean at October 06, 2015 10:28 PM (ztOda)
#we want our country back is trending on Twitter
Started by Americans about america
Taken over by Brits about the UK
Posted by: ThunderB at October 06, 2015 10:28 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: JTB at October 06, 2015 10:29 PM (FvdPb)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 06, 2015 10:29 PM (Iulmi)
Good for them. Damn, it's about time. Maybe Clarkson can get them stirred up.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 06, 2015 10:30 PM (Iulmi)
From 9mm to 120mm smoothbore of a M1A2 Abrams SEP.
God help motherfuckers if shit goes that much sideways.
Posted by: SMFH at it all at October 06, 2015 10:31 PM (zyIlW)
Learn me. I don't see that offered or mentioned when I select "Life Membership $1000."
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 06, 2015 10:22 PM (Iulmi)
Hope this link works, Ricardo:
http://www.ccatexas.org/how-to-help/2015-cca-texas-life-membership-special/
Posted by: stace at October 06, 2015 10:31 PM (CoX6k)
Started by Americans about america
Taken over by Brits about the UK
Huh. The Brits want America back?
I'm up for it as long as they impose that stamp-tax back on the Bostonians, applicable only to Harvard grads. And they'll have to wear the stamp glued to their foreheads
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 06, 2015 10:31 PM (aLXXe)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at October 06, 2015 10:32 PM (zyIlW)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 06, 2015 10:33 PM (aLXXe)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at October 06, 2015 10:34 PM (zyIlW)
I thought the 7.35 was introduced before the 6.8. Didn't the Italicans introduce the 6.8 in the late 30s, retire the 7.35s, and ultimately ship a bunch to Finland?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 06, 2015 10:34 PM (Iulmi)
Started by Americans about america
Taken over by Brits about the UK
I'll let you know if it gets to Germany.
Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at October 06, 2015 10:35 PM (vn2q2)
Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 06, 2015 10:36 PM (Lqy/e)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at October 06, 2015 10:36 PM (x3GpS)
"
I think there are a couple broken down M60A3's sitting at Fort McCoy along with a few old M109A3's
How are you at fixing a Howitzer?
Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Old and unimproved. at October 06, 2015 10:36 PM (dOD0J)
Pfft. Anybody can work on a Ford tractor.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 06, 2015 10:37 PM (Iulmi)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at October 06, 2015 10:37 PM (hVdx9)
I know it hasn't got to Slovakia or Hungary...
... because their leaders have already asserted that they've got their borders sorted
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 06, 2015 10:38 PM (aLXXe)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at October 06, 2015 10:38 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: ThunderB at October 06, 2015 10:38 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at October 06, 2015 09:32 PM (0O7c5)
Hot damn!
Posted by: cthulhu at October 06, 2015 10:38 PM (EzgxV)
Georgia and the Carolinas?
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 06, 2015 10:39 PM (bZ7mE)
Okay, I'm seeing that.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 06, 2015 10:39 PM (Iulmi)
441
Except if you have a ton of old surplus stuff that's Berdan primer . . .
I know that one can actually convert Berdan to Boxer. Don't know
how, though, except that it is time-intensive. If you've got a lot of
Berdan-primed brass, it might be worth looking into, though.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 06, 2015 10:10 PM
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I suppose it might be possible to convert Berdan brass to Boxer, I guess you'd need to ream out the anvil and drill the central primer hole. I am pretty sure that you can reload Berdan brass as-is (or could back when I was a yonker) by decapping via hydraulics (water punch) or using a mechanical clawing decapper that are produced for that purpose. Then reprime with Berdan primers, which I hope are still available. (they were back when)
Posted by: irright at October 06, 2015 10:39 PM (DtNNC)
Posted by: The Jackhole somewhere on Ventura Highway at October 06, 2015 10:39 PM (dULJN)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 06, 2015 10:40 PM (WAX3V)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 06, 2015 10:17 PM (JmGFJ)
It emits that soft glow right before going bang. Not really. It's the AR I bought my menfolk for Christmas in the post-Newtown panic. I was Christmas shopping at a saddlery that also dealt in a few guns, and I noticed they had one AR-15 and one AR-10, so I bought the AR-15, wrapped it and put it under the tree. Truly a Christmas miracle.
When I asked the dealer what the make of the gun was, he made a sad face and said, "Bushmaster, the same one.....you know." I made a sad face, and said I'll take it.
Posted by: stace at October 06, 2015 10:40 PM (CoX6k)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at October 06, 2015 10:40 PM (TAkZ9)
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 06, 2015 10:39 PM (bZ7mE)
Hey, I live in PA.
Tell you what, we'll give back what they had colonized before they lost it. That leaves the back country areas still American and lets them handle the bluest of the blue areas on the coast.
I'll move if I have to just to get them out of the Union.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at October 06, 2015 10:41 PM (x3GpS)
Ummmmm.....Uhhhh......
Okay.
But you gotta get rid of Lindsey. And whoever that fcuker in NC is.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 06, 2015 10:41 PM (Iulmi)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077078/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
Posted by: andycanuck at October 06, 2015 10:42 PM (gmaUh)
Georgia and the Carolinas?
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 06, 2015 10:39 PM (bZ7mE)
****
Ya. A lot of heavily armed people would like a word with you about that, BTH.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at October 06, 2015 10:42 PM (otTnh)
Posted by: All Teh Meh at October 06, 2015 10:43 PM (VviqM)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 06, 2015 10:45 PM (Iulmi)
www.houseofhillary.com
I would like to add
"Big Heals, Big House" to the tshirt line
Posted by: Picric at October 06, 2015 10:45 PM (QnQ+g)
Posted by: Grey Fox
----------------
Which reminds me. Went down and voted Mumpower, Miall, and Michalove. We'll see.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 06, 2015 10:45 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at October 06, 2015 10:45 PM (zyIlW)
Posted by: stace
Jesse James used a Colt pistol and a Winchester rifle. I bet the dealer owns both makes.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 06, 2015 10:45 PM (JmGFJ)
I'm still flummoxed that a lot of smart people have fallen for this con man.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at October 06, 2015 10:40 PM
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I'm still flummoxed that a lot of smart people still believe that (insert name of anyone running for any office) is NOT a con man.
Posted by: irright at October 06, 2015 10:45 PM (DtNNC)
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I loved The Sandbaggers! Rewatched it recently and it's held up very well -- alas.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Wrapped in Bacon at October 06, 2015 10:46 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: steevy at October 06, 2015 10:47 PM (8HTq1)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at October 06, 2015 10:40 PM
*****
And you are supporting....who?
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at October 06, 2015 10:47 PM (otTnh)
Still how you folks can stand living in the NE amazes me.
I don't have much experience with the SE so I'll give them a pass.
I was just thinking of the colonies of anything within 50 miles of I-95. Cause that's mostly what was heavily inhabited back then. And responsible to this day (along with a few hot spots out west) for screwing up the nation with Democrats and Liberal Idiot Republicans.
Most every body else is shaping up but I ain't seen it happening on the east coast. Seems as if they're doubling down.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at October 06, 2015 10:47 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: Weirddave at October 06, 2015 10:47 PM (7TK5d)
Huh. The Brits want America back?
I'm up for it as long as they impose that stamp-tax back on the Bostonians, applicable only to Harvard grads. And they'll have to wear the stamp glued to their foreheads
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 06, 2015 10:31 PM (aLXXe)
I'd trade the Stamp Tax for the millions of miscellaneous taxes we have now.
Posted by: rickl at October 06, 2015 10:47 PM (sdi6R)
Remington.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 06, 2015 10:47 PM (Iulmi)
Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 06, 2015 10:47 PM (Lqy/e)
Bbc 3 aired a documentary called We Want Our Country Back
About "British Firsters". Portrayed them like the KKK I guess
Posted by: ThunderB at October 06, 2015 10:49 PM (zOTsN)
Philly's Mayor's name is NUTTER. and it's soooo fitting.
They've screwed the town up and the whole eastern third of the state.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at October 06, 2015 10:50 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: Notsothoreau at October 06, 2015 10:47 PM (Lqy/e)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++And once you are out of ammo, having a few glass avon (or vodka) bottles, a couple rolls of quarters, and spiky steel ball in that purse and it will really pack a wallop.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 06, 2015 10:51 PM (NaeCR)
The Sig MKMO sub gun in 9mm was used after 1935, and the suomi Hispano-Suiza after 1943- the site below says after WWII
Rifles, apparently Veterlis (10.4 Rimfire) The Schmidt-Rubin k31 (7.5 x 55)adopted in 1955.
anyhow.
http://www.guns.com/2014/04/13/guns-swiss-guard/
Posted by: Kindltot at October 06, 2015 10:52 PM (3pRHP)
Used to be. Hundreds of thousands of rifles and millions of rounds of ammo from two world wars existed that were near worthless to their governments. UK, Australia, Canada, NZ, SA, etc. Surplus rifles and ammo got sold throughout the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90
's. Guns and ammo have started to run out. No great big surpluses of either. Found some of both in Afghan' in the 00s and there were largely destroyed as enemy weapons.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 06, 2015 10:53 PM (Iulmi)
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Posted by: Mike Hammer at October 06, 2015 10:53 PM (9mTYi)
It is common in Canada and Australia, but pretty esoteric in the US. Local shops want $28 a box (which is better than the $42 they had it for a long time!)
PPU is about $15 a box online.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 06, 2015 10:54 PM (bZ7mE)
A few years ago Astros were scoring Blutarskies ("zero-point-zero") on their Neilsen Ratings. Literally nobody cared. Now Houston are in place to push the Yanks aside?
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 06, 2015 10:55 PM (aLXXe)
I was with my Dad when he bought it at the army surplus store in the '60s. I think he paid $50-90 for it with a few boxes of .303.
Sigh.
I looked up the price of different enfields a few months back at honor guns america and found the occasional $300+ price.
Posted by: Daybrother at October 06, 2015 10:56 PM (PN44w)
Philly's Mayor's name is NUTTER. and it's soooo fitting.
They've screwed the town up and the whole eastern third of the state.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at October 06, 2015 10:50 PM (x3GpS)
Mayor Nutter is actually an improvement over the last mayor, John Street.
Posted by: rickl at October 06, 2015 10:57 PM (sdi6R)
PPU is about $15 a box online.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 06, 2015 10:54 PM----------------
Ah PRVI Partizan, or as we call it: Pervy
Some of that ammo ain't too bad.
Posted by: irright at October 06, 2015 10:58 PM (DtNNC)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 06, 2015 10:58 PM (JmGFJ)
Someone who doesn't think eminent domain for real estate developers is 'wonderful'.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at October 06, 2015 11:01 PM (TAkZ9)
You won't find an original for less than $500. You won't a collector for less than $1000k. They aren't cheap guns anymore unless you get a sporter. No more cheap ammo. You're looking at Prvi/S&B for $15-20 per box. No. 5s are $1500-3000.
I've got a fake Cimarron carbine No. 4 in perfect shape. Don't think it was ever used. Glad to have.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 06, 2015 11:03 PM (Iulmi)
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 06, 2015 11:04 PM (g8Hfr)
We're to turn the other cheek and pray for those who persecute you, but we're also called to protect others and fight evil. The way I understand that is: if you want to hurt me, okay, I pray for you. If you want to hurt my neighbor... that's when you go down.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 06, 2015 11:06 PM (39g3+)
Someone who doesn't think eminent domain for real estate developers is 'wonderful'.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at October 06, 2015 11:01 PM
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You cannot name a politician who wouldn't think it was wonderful, if it suited their purposes.
Posted by: irright at October 06, 2015 11:07 PM (DtNNC)
Dude.
Wanted a Gibbs. And then they went out of bizness. Bought an Ishy .308 carbine with the idea of making my own Gibbs.
Well, I gave it to dad after losing interest after other guns and things. One day again, maybe.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 06, 2015 11:09 PM (Iulmi)
We're an interlocking set of neighbors Mr Taylor....
I trust Constantine more than Francis.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 06, 2015 11:09 PM (g8Hfr)
My No 7mk 1 was stolen in Carolina del Sur...
was a nice rifle if you find one get it.
Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 06, 2015 11:10 PM (g8Hfr)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at October 06, 2015 11:01 PM
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You cannot name a politician who wouldn't think it was wonderful, if it suited their purposes.
Posted by: irright at October 06, 2015 11:07 PM (DtNNC)
****
Cool Max. What is the name of that person running this cycle?
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at October 06, 2015 11:12 PM (otTnh)
Posted by: All Teh Meh at October 06, 2015 11:12 PM (VviqM)
Posted by: stace at October 06, 2015 11:16 PM (CoX6k)
And I'm working on a uber-expensive Commerical Mauser project which will be in the same chambering. I've got almost all the parts now. Next part? Saving up a few thou for the artists to make it all into a rifle. Gunsmith to put all the metal together. Engraving and inlays. Stockmaker. Custom late 1800's Whitworth style leather travel case.
Museum quality, start to finish.
And damn straight, I'll hunt with it. Used for it's intended purpose, no matter the cost.
I'll have to work some small hint of Moron or AoS into the engraving, don'tcha think?
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at October 06, 2015 11:28 PM (McRlu)
Posted by: Weirddave at October 06, 2015 11:31 PM (7TK5d)
Didn't the Italicans introduce the 6.8 in the late 30s, retire the
7.35s, and ultimately ship a bunch to Finland?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at October 06, 2015 10:34 PM (Iulmi)
Yes and no. 6.5 was developed for the new nitro powder and used for WW1, the 7.35 Terni was developed because the 6.5 didn't have a lot of trauma (Hess was shot with a 6.5 through the chest and lived a good long life FX), the first batch went to Finland, then it was reconsidered, re developed and issued prior to WWII, then drawn back because of logistic issues and then sort of re-issued....but meanwhile the 6.5 was in various production models...
It was the Italian Fascist army. I don't remember.
They are Carcanos. I don't really follow them.
They built 7.7 Jap carbines for a while too. Possibly for the Arab nationalists. I think they went to Finland instead.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 06, 2015 11:32 PM (3pRHP)
I'll have to work some small hint of Moron or AoS into the engraving, don'tcha think?
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
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Damn nice gun, Jim... Say, doesn't this bear engraved on the action look a little... ewok-y to you?
Posted by: irright at October 06, 2015 11:32 PM (DtNNC)
Posted by: JTB at October 06, 2015 11:55 PM (FvdPb)
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at October 07, 2015 04:52 AM (t2KH5)
Enfield SMLE.
That's what it looks like to me. Had the pleasure of shooting one of those once... That is the smoothest and fastest bolt action ever invented. You can almost shoot it faster than you can a semi-auto like a Garand it's so smooth.
Posted by: ConstantineXI at October 07, 2015 09:32 AM (Eov0o)
I have a Lithgow SMLE No. 1 Mk III* made in 1942. The Aussies never adopted the No. 4 which the Brits and Canadians adopted for WW2.
My SMLE was a horrible bubba'ed rifle I bought from a pawn shop back in '79, my first rifle. Just last year, due to the influence of my younger son I removed the horrible monte carlo buttstock and badly chopped forstock and returned the rifle to origional configuration.
Use ammoseek to find low prices on internet ammo. I've found grade A .303 for 0.40 cents a round and grade B for IIRC 0.20 cents.
Yes, a SMLE or No. 4 can match a semiauto in the hands of a skilled users. It won't match an AR-15 with its low recoil 5.56 round, but recoil is a limiting factor with something like an M-1 Garand in .30-06, so the rate of fire can be similar and the SMLE has a 10 round magazine and can start off with another in the chamber for a total of 11. The Garand holds 8, so a well trained rifleman with a SMLE can keep pace.
Posted by: DonS at October 07, 2015 11:41 AM (Q2pWM)
Steevy,
.303 is no longer a military round. Surplus ammo is drying up. Same with rounds like 8 mm Mauser, etc.
Posted by: DonS at October 07, 2015 11:44 AM (Q2pWM)
"I'm sorry guys, and no offense, but you can't fire a bolt action anywhere near as quickly as a semi-auto."
Yes you can. The SMLE can give a Garand a run for its money. But it requires a skilled user on the SMLE. The key reason is the recoil, which limits the Garand's rate of aimed fire. A SMLE chambered in 5.56 wouldn't have a chance against an AR15.
Posted by: DonS at October 07, 2015 11:53 AM (Q2pWM)
With respect to the Italian 6.5 the issuewith respect to poor terminal perfomance must have beenbullet design.
I think that was also the issue with the Japanese 6.5, they went to 7.7. In the Russio-Japanese War a Russian surgeon mapped the brain based upon functions lost due to head wounds of the Japanese 6.5. The round nose bullets of the day didn't yaw much and produced a narrow wound channel.
Posted by: DonS at October 07, 2015 12:27 PM (Q2pWM)
In Israel settlers, teachers, etc are often armed. Teen girls with uzis or M16s. Pretty much everyone is in the reserves. It isn't the armed wonderland it might seem to Americans, but certainly many have access to firearms.
Also, Israel has become less socialist over the last few decades. This is also true for places like Sweden.
Posted by: DonS at October 07, 2015 12:51 PM (Q2pWM)
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