Media Loses Its Mind Over Pope's Secret Visit with Kim Davis; So Vatican Expresses a "Sense of Regret"

Before getting to that last ugly bit, do read this funny and true piece by M. B. Dougherty explaining the media's endless butthurt about the Pope-Kim Davis conclave.

[T]the whole world is mad. Why? Because the pope is a prop. In the hands of our nation's true clerical class -- journalists -- this particular pope's function is to demoralize and shame the bad Catholics, i.e., the conservative ones. The previous pope's function was to symbolize their wicked intransigence.
Pope Francis is supposed to be the cool pope. He humiliates traditionalist cardinals. He embraces transexuals. If he occasionally says stuff against gay marriage, well, so what? Like Barack Obama in the 2008 election, sometimes you say what you have to say. But we know where his heart is. He embraces the marginalized and despised.
...
But this prop accomplished what no upstanding playwright would script. He met someone the scribes really do despise. He embraced that hick.
Horrors. Apparently all the good people who were about to believe again in the bodily Resurrection were stopped in their tracks by this one off-key gesture. As for politics, who could have thunk it? The pope only called for the abolition of the death penalty in a speech to Congress. He asked the state of Georgia for a reprieve in a death sentence case. He congratulated the president for his efforts to bring about international agreements on climate change. Apparently for some scribes, these views exist in a moral exosphere above and beyond petty politics. As Emma Green writes:

Davis has been one of the most polarizing figures in American politics in recent months, seen by some on the right as the foremost fighter against violations of religious liberty. When Pope Francis came to the U.S., his message was exactly the opposite -- one of unity and reconciliation, not combativeness.
Translation: Cool pope unites us against bad religious people. Only a bad pope would try to unify or reconcile with that woman. She's polarizing, unlike the other issues Francis highlighted.

Alas, the gesture was even emptier than a secret meeting usually is. Because now the Vatican -- presumably on Francis' behalf -- is trying to appease the "nation's true clerical class," as Dougherty calls them, by apologizing to the True Keepers of the Light.

First, the official Vatican spokesman said, essentially, that the Pope barely even knew who he was meeting with so don't bother reading anything into it.

The brief meeting between Mrs. Kim Davis and Pope Francis at the Apostolic Nunciature in Washington, DC has continued to provoke comments and discussion. In order to contribute to an objective understanding of what transpired I am able to clarify the following points:
Pope Francis met with several dozen persons who had been invited by the Nunciature to greet him as he prepared to leave Washington for New York City. Such brief greetings occur on all papal visits and are due to the Pope’s characteristic kindness and availability. The only real audience granted by the Pope at the Nunciature was with one of his former students and his family.
The Pope did not enter into the details of the situation of Mrs. Davis and his meeting with her should not be considered a form of support of her position in all of its particular and complex aspects.

And then it gets worse. A "Vatican official" quoted by Reuters, not necessarily delivering the official word on the Kim Davis matter, but then again, maybe doing just that, let out this stinky little fart:

One Vatican official said there was "a sense of regret" that the pope had ever seen Kim Davis, a Kentucky county clerk who went to jail in September for refusing to honor a U.S. Supreme Court ruling and issue same-sex marriage licenses.

See AllahPundit for a sarcastic little exit question.

Posted by: Ace at 02:27 PM

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1

So, basically, they are resorting to calling the Pope clueless.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 02, 2015 02:25 PM (qCMvj)

2 first-ish?

Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at October 02, 2015 02:26 PM (ucB75)

3 Pope apologizes for being Catholic.

Posted by: blaster at October 02, 2015 02:26 PM (2Ocf1)

4 Of course. He want's to be a pop star. Literally.

He's releasing a pop album.

Good lord, I wish I was joking...

http://tinyurl.com/q4n7yeu

Posted by: Dang at October 02, 2015 02:27 PM (2oWD2)

5

First Pope goes all out political.
Lefties clap like seals.
Then, Pope goes all out Catholic.
Lefties bray like jackasses.
Then Pope turns himself into a sheep.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 02, 2015 02:27 PM (qCMvj)

6 So now when you answer someone's question with "Is the Pope Catholic" you don't mean "duh the answer is sooo obvious," you mean, "that is kind of ambiguous."

Posted by: blaster at October 02, 2015 02:27 PM (2Ocf1)

7 Fuck this Pope in particular.

Posted by: CatholicCat, Pushing shit off a shelf at October 02, 2015 02:27 PM (kKHcp)

8 Pump the brakes!!! We don't want anybody thinking we are opposed to gay marriage! Gross!!

Let's get back to the real morality issues that matter, like outlawing fracking.

Posted by: The Vatican at October 02, 2015 02:28 PM (ugaUI)

9

He's got a rock album coming out, dontcha know.

Gotta sell maximus quantities.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 02, 2015 02:28 PM (qCMvj)

10 Yep, he's truly God's mouthpiece.

Posted by: Motorhead at October 02, 2015 02:28 PM (NLU5p)

11 Living in Italy the spine becomes spaghetti

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at October 02, 2015 02:28 PM (VROg+)

12 What a gutless douche.

Posted by: Sixkiller at October 02, 2015 02:28 PM (bfpzm)

13 You know, Popes use to place interdicts on entire nations.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 02, 2015 02:29 PM (LXJ1e)

14 " A "Vatican official" quoted by Reuters, not necessarily delivering the official word on the Kim Davis matter, but then again, maybe doing just that, let out this stinky little fart:"

They have their own website and their own newspaper for that. This is just one guy's fart.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at October 02, 2015 02:29 PM (L5HxJ)

15 The Modern Man liked this pope until he realized Francis was still Catholic.

Posted by: joe at October 02, 2015 02:30 PM (KUaJL)

16 The Pope unwittingly blew up his entire mission with that one visit.

The plan was to be a darling of the Left and Kim Davis fucked it all up.

I picture Nelson from the Simpsons with that "HaHa" loop.

Posted by: Coolio at October 02, 2015 02:30 PM (ugaUI)

17 BUT THE CRUSADES....

Posted by: blaster at October 02, 2015 02:30 PM (2Ocf1)

18 At least he's 100% responsible for the first Philadelphia Eagles win this season. That and sitting Demarco Murray on the bench.

Posted by: Chip Kelly at October 02, 2015 02:30 PM (sI4OA)

19 Prop Francis.

Posted by: rebel flounder at October 02, 2015 02:30 PM (1DH1V)

20 I, for one, believe all those anonymous sources and unnamed Vatican officials. If you can't trust them, who can you trust?

Posted by: huerfano at October 02, 2015 02:31 PM (O2jYw)

21 Then Pope turns himself into a sheep.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette

*fap fap fap* Oh, I thought that said, "Pope Francis puts himself into sheep.

Oh well... *fap fap fap fap fap*

Posted by: Ahmed the Cock Boy at October 02, 2015 02:31 PM (2oWD2)

22 Poop Francis.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 02, 2015 02:31 PM (Dsvnk)

23 "She's polarizing, unlike the other issues Francis highlighted."

Now that she's changed her party affiliation, we know she's not the right kind of person.

Posted by: Wendy at October 02, 2015 02:31 PM (bpemY)

24 Oh geez that BP commercial is back taking over my browser again.

Later yallz

Posted by: blaster at October 02, 2015 02:31 PM (2Ocf1)

25 Huckabee is the true pope!

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at October 02, 2015 02:32 PM (+lsX1)

26 As a Jew, I'm loosely following this stuff and just shaking my head -- WTF???

Posted by: SFGoth at October 02, 2015 02:32 PM (X/AOO)

27 Prop Francis.

Posted by: rebel flounder

I like that. Well done.

Posted by: Dang at October 02, 2015 02:32 PM (2oWD2)

28 AdBlock Latitude.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 02, 2015 02:32 PM (Dsvnk)

29

Pope with feet of clay. No profile in courage here.

Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 02:33 PM (zOTsN)

30 Cowards in all levels of leadership

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 02, 2015 02:33 PM (fWAjv)

31 I have a sense of regret that Godfrey Daniels is the pope.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 02, 2015 02:33 PM (W5DcG)

32 One Vatican official said there was "a sense of regret" that the pope
had ever seen Kim Davis, a Kentucky county clerk who went to jail in
September for refusing to honor a U.S. Supreme Court ruling and issue
same-sex marriage licenses. following the Constitution of the State of Kentucky and her oath of office.

Fixed that for you.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 02, 2015 02:34 PM (X7E8f)

33 Has the Poop fixed Argentina yet?

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 02, 2015 02:34 PM (Dsvnk)

34 Hey, Jesus had a meeting with that woman of ill repute.

What's the problem?

Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at October 02, 2015 02:34 PM (1Y0X+)

35 The Pope is who we thought he was.

Posted by: Dennis Green at October 02, 2015 02:34 PM (VndSC)

36 He's a cowardly globalist who worships the media, not God.

The damage he will do the Church will be long-lasting.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 02, 2015 02:34 PM (88fBD)

37 I get the feeling that a gang of leftists control the Vatican. It seems like they replaced Benedict with a dufus figurehead they could use to promote their ideas.

Posted by: Hillary's alcoholic depression at October 02, 2015 02:34 PM (Z+7WE)

38 Francis' Sense of Regret was an obscure Yoko Ono B-side in 1970

Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at October 02, 2015 02:35 PM (3ZtZW)

39 34 Hey, Jesus had a meeting with that woman of ill repute.

What's the problem?
Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at October 02, 2015 02:34 PM (1Y0X+)

Kim Davis is much much much much much much much much much much much much much worse.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 02, 2015 02:35 PM (fWAjv)

40 When I read this I said something out loud that I probably shouldn't have.This pope is a tool of the left(evil).

Posted by: steevy at October 02, 2015 02:35 PM (sPO3u)

41 In order to mend his public image the Pope has agreed to appear on Saturday Night Live, the Vatican has announced.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 02, 2015 02:35 PM (NeFrd)

42 So...is the guess that one of the few remaining Christians in the Pope's staff scheduled this without tell Pontiff Fascist Junta about the details?

Posted by: 18-1 at October 02, 2015 02:35 PM (X7E8f)

43 I'll have to ask the popes barber what the real story is.

Posted by: curious yellow at October 02, 2015 02:36 PM (sI4OA)

44 I did not realize that that Kim Davis was thee Kim Davis.

Posted by: Francis the Talking Fool at October 02, 2015 02:36 PM (9qvXj)

45 People from Washington D.C. need to go to the Vatican to learn how "real" politics is done. They are just amateur pikers in comparison.

Posted by: Roy at October 02, 2015 02:36 PM (VndSC)

46 $100,000.

Posted by: Boss Moss at October 02, 2015 02:36 PM (Dsvnk)

47 One question.

Who gave the invitation to the unknown local official?

Posted by: Golfman at October 02, 2015 02:36 PM (fqkuS)

48 Maybe they met so he could warn her about climate change.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at October 02, 2015 02:36 PM (+lsX1)

49 Is the Pope a Modern Man?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 02, 2015 02:37 PM (VPLuQ)

50 This is bullshit.

The Curia is full of people who disagree. There are factions pitted against one another. It's a big problem.

The problem is that there is no single voice at "the Vatican" other than the Pope himself.

Posted by: Feh at October 02, 2015 02:37 PM (SsYt1)

51 Kim Davis is much much much much much much much much much much much much much worse.
***
Indeed she is a believing Christian and Baal is himself a jealous god as well.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 02, 2015 02:37 PM (X7E8f)

52 As long as The Vatican obeys the dictates of the SJW's, I'll stop obeying the dictates of The Vatican

This Pope is a fraud anyway, Pope Benedict was forced out by socialist Jesuit cardinals who wanted the Catholic Church to be cool and hip like that Episcopals

Posted by: kbdabear at October 02, 2015 02:38 PM (GrXXa)

53
I don't buy Leftist "journalists" quoting unnamed sources. I'm sure they had no problem with a fake but accurate story about Bush either.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 02, 2015 02:38 PM (ODxAs)

54 Not my circus.

Not my pope.

Y'all go ahead and have at it.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 02, 2015 02:38 PM (NeFrd)

55 The damage he will do the Church will be long-lasting.
***
Martin Luther's original break from Rome was realistically caused as much by Catholic corruption as it was by doctrinal issues.

And who can deny that the current Catholic leadership is deeply corrupt?

Posted by: 18-1 at October 02, 2015 02:39 PM (X7E8f)

56 See AllahPundit for a sarcastic little exit question.

Allahpundit, sarcastic???? NOOOOOOOO. NEVERRRRRR.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 02, 2015 02:39 PM (JmGFJ)

57 The official statement is quite bad enough.

Posted by: steevy at October 02, 2015 02:40 PM (sPO3u)

58 >>> I have a sense of regret that Godfrey Daniels is the pope.

I kinda think he looks like Peter Stormare

Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at October 02, 2015 02:40 PM (3ZtZW)

59 Cnbc breathlessly reporting Pope visited with gay couple in DC and they were the only visit in Washington

Paging St Malachy
ST Malachy please pick up the white courtesy phone

Posted by: ginaswo at October 02, 2015 02:40 PM (qxNrP)

60 The Pope keeps asking people to pray for him, and it does seem like he needs the assist, so I guess I'm just going to keep praying for him.

Posted by: Kensington at October 02, 2015 02:40 PM (7Kbxu)

61 Pope Francis asked if he could have a pair of my soiled underpants. I denied him.

Posted by: Kim Davis at October 02, 2015 02:40 PM (9qvXj)

62 The Bible calls these people Hired Hands as opposed to Real Shepherds. When the wolf or lion attacks the Hired Hands run, but the Shepherd lays his life down for the sheep.

Posted by: Akelm88 at October 02, 2015 02:41 PM (fydF3)

63 Pope moved from "Hot" to "Not", no longer invited to parties, will probably have to eat lunch alone

Posted by: brak at October 02, 2015 02:41 PM (xwPSp)

64 perhaps this pope believes he will make the church more approachable and more relatable to modern ears by appealing to liberal secular issues

he is wrong. they will use him, but not follow him

Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 02:42 PM (zOTsN)

65 The RCC is big tent, so the pope can't say, "I told her she was a stupid hick bigot homophobe right-wing terrorist". They must maintain an ambiguous silence.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 02, 2015 02:43 PM (E5UB0)

66 Clown Pope.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 02, 2015 02:43 PM (8ZskC)

67 "Cnbc breathlessly reporting Pope visited with gay couple in DC and they were the only visit in Washington"
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Yeah, if true this is very unsettling. A "deep sense of regret" over meeting with Kim Davis and then playing footsie with same-sex couples.

As a Catholic struggling to stay true to my faith, it would be nice if the Pope were a little less...eager, it seems, to give off some really heretical impressions.

Posted by: Kensington at October 02, 2015 02:43 PM (7Kbxu)

68 I can't keep up today, but I was vastly amused by people on facebook crying in their soup over the pope visiting this lady.

Posted by: Lea at October 02, 2015 02:44 PM (lIU4e)

69 Pope Francis peeohhed the Conservatives with his inane speeches.

Now he peeohs the Left and embarrasses Himself in the backtracking.

His trip to North America was a complete fuck-up.

btw, did anyone read his speech to Congress?

He thinks we were born on the same continent.

Same hemisphere, but no Francis. North America and South America are two different continents.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at October 02, 2015 02:44 PM (1ijHg)

70 I do think it's important for the Pope to remain a non-political figure. The Vatican had a duty to denounce the extremists who politicized his brief encounter with the bigoted, anti-gay clerk.

It was also encouraging to see Tom Brady distance himself from the anti-immigrant propaganda hat that was planted in his locker.

Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at October 02, 2015 02:44 PM (Ui7Rt)

71 Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 02:42 PM (zOTsN)

Here's out it works out in the Catholic church: the numbers and the high birth rates are in 3rd world countries, mostly socialist, who have spent the last 100 years teaching their citizens that imperialism and "capitalism" are to blame for all of their woes.

However, the money and donors are in the US (and to a lesser extent other "1st world" countries.)

Thus, the tight line popes have to walk -- keep "the base" happy while not pissing off "the donors" too much.

This pope is not great at walking that line.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 02:44 PM (AkOaV)

72 This is so silly. You can't deviate even slightly from doctrine or practice, else the Leftists will hold an auto da fe.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 02, 2015 02:44 PM (E5UB0)

73
All over the Earth Christians are under attack.

From the genocidal attack in the Middle East to hate mongering shooters in the US.

i could stand and be a powerful voice and force for those unfortunates,

buuuuuut, instead I'll cower and read from the Progtard Playbook.

HeeHaw vobiscum.

Posted by: Pope Francis the Talking Mule at October 02, 2015 02:44 PM (0cMkb)

74 Cnbc breathlessly reporting Pope visited with gay couple in DC and they were the only visit in Washington"

Diplomatically, he was kind of required to meet the Obamas.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 02, 2015 02:45 PM (ODxAs)

75 Pope Francis!... Whhaaat about your gaffes?

Posted by: Harpy Journalist on the tarmac at October 02, 2015 02:45 PM (e7T6D)

76 Just when I was hoping his 15 (long) minutes were up, the Pope goes into overtime.

From my viewpoint, he's developing a record of wrongness on a par with TFG.

Wrong on climate change
Wrong on immigration
Wrong on capitalism
Wrong on wealth
Wrong on muslims
Wrong on guns

Wait! In fact, it looks like the same record.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 02, 2015 02:45 PM (gyKtp)

77 Hmm, it's almost like it's a bad thing for a Pope to be so goshdarned concerned over his image that he gives short shrift to the tenets of his faith...

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 02, 2015 02:45 PM (kXoT0)

78 perhaps this pope believes he will make the church more approachable and more relatable to modern ears by appealing to liberal secular issues

he is wrong. they will use him, but not follow him
Posted by: ThunderB

That's just it, the people that celebrate the new Pope's direction won't step foot in a Church now or ever. The people he's offending are the ones that never miss a Mass.

Posted by: Coolio at October 02, 2015 02:45 PM (ugaUI)

79 Apologies for the early O/T:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/10/02/ oregon-shootings-and-barack-obama-our-politicizer-in-chief.html

Posted by: rebel flounder at October 02, 2015 02:46 PM (1DH1V)

80 RCC's big tent approach seems to be not working any better than the Republican's big tent efforts. Both sides are po'd.

Is there a Cardinal Donald at the Vatican?

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 02, 2015 02:46 PM (E5UB0)

81 Wow, so he's worse than I thought. Why on earth would they do this? Do they have no fidelity to the faith?

And apparently, Kim Davis' people are saying that the Vatican set up the meeting. If that is true, why be so duplicitous? What is so shameful about standing up for religious freedom?

So I guess they were not planning for news of the secret meeting to get out. Or maybe they were surprised at the vitriol after so much adulation and it was to much to take.

Either way, this would be low for anyone, especially a pope.

Of course, assuming the report is true.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at October 02, 2015 02:46 PM (uz/Pv)

82 The Modern Pope isn't Catholic, he's a purveyor of class warfare and social justice.

Posted by: Fritz at October 02, 2015 02:46 PM (UzPAd)

83 Kensington
I'm Catholic as well

They're reporting the former student and family he met with is a gay student and spouse

Second look at Eastern Orthodox for me I think

Posted by: ginaswo at October 02, 2015 02:46 PM (qxNrP)

84 76 He is the Obama of Popes.I rather have a Borgia.

Posted by: steevy at October 02, 2015 02:46 PM (sPO3u)

85 Hey, Jesus had a meeting with that woman of ill repute.

Mary of Magdala had seven demons cast out of her by Jesus. The prostitute stuff is a medieval invention.

Posted by: Hentai Squid at October 02, 2015 02:47 PM (JtwS4)

86 John Paul II stood up to communism and it backed down. This bozo can't even stand up to the PC crowd. Pathetic descent we've taken

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 02, 2015 02:47 PM (493sH)

87 Not my circus.

Not my pope.

I'm sorry; I don't understand that. if you're a practicing RC (aren't you?) he's "the" Pope isn't he? unless you were trying to say he's officially the Pope but not the one you support or like? I'm not trying to be argumentative here. I'd just appreciate some clarification. I mean, I can Obama's not my President but he really is whether I like him or not-and I don't.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 02, 2015 02:47 PM (cgZPg)

88 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 02:47 PM (kff5f)

89 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 02:48 PM (kff5f)

90 The Modern Pope isn't Catholic, he's a purveyor of class warfare and social justice.

Posted by: Fritz at October 02, 2015 02:46 PM (UzPAd)

That's sadly true

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 02, 2015 02:48 PM (493sH)

91 Media Loses Its Mind Over Pope's Secret Visit with Kim Davis;

What a waste it is to lose ones mind.

So Vatican Expresses a "Sense of Regret"

Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful.

How true that is.

Posted by: Quote Recycling Program at October 02, 2015 02:48 PM (zc3Db)

92 Hey, Jesus had a meeting with that woman of ill repute.

What's the problem?
Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski
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But she was weeping with repentance. And didn't Jesus say "Go and sin no more?"

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 02, 2015 02:49 PM (E5UB0)

93 Don't call the Vatican 'cause he ain't home. He's a roamin' Pope that Pope of Rome.

Posted by: Zombie Robert Frost at October 02, 2015 02:49 PM (9qvXj)

94 I wonder if the Pope has been paying attention to the Episcopalians, who have also decided to become "hip" and "with it, Daddy-O" and "down" with the socially and culturally relevant cool kids.Well, if the Holy Father wants that teachable moment he had better hurry because Episcopalians are fading fast.

Churches that become of the world soon aren't in it.

Posted by: troyriser at October 02, 2015 02:49 PM (fnCax)

95 I'd just appreciate some clarification. I mean, I can Obama's not my President but he really is whether I like him or not-and I don't.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 02, 2015 02:47 PM (cgZPg)

It's like Obama. We're stuck with him but would rather not be.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 02, 2015 02:49 PM (493sH)

96 What's the problem?
Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski
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Oh, hah, I thought you were talking about teh ghey couple. Duh. It's a post about Kim Davis.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 02, 2015 02:50 PM (E5UB0)

97 Wow. Way to make a person feel like shit, Vatican.
Oh wait, I remember Jesus saing he regretted meeting with Mary Magdalene too, so it all makes sense.

/s

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt TrumpProd (tm) at October 02, 2015 02:51 PM (rIQuo)

98 It's like Obama. We're stuck with him but would rather not be.

Well, that's different than saying, "He's not my Pope."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 02, 2015 02:51 PM (cgZPg)

99 You know what this means? The Ppe has shrunk in status to equal that rodeo clown that insulted Obama.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 02, 2015 02:51 PM (XUKZU)

100 Love this sarcastic line by Dougherty:

She's been married four times. Believe me, if he knew, he'd throw her into the well.

Awesome.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at October 02, 2015 02:51 PM (uz/Pv)

101 One of these Vatican voices is probably a staffer working for Kasper or one of the lefty cardinals who's all hurt about the Kim Davis meeting.

Same rot.

Posted by: Feh at October 02, 2015 02:51 PM (SsYt1)

102 Huh. I seem to remember the Bible speaking approvingly of people refusing to do what the law required - and that the bad guys in the story were the people trying to force the other people into the doing what the law required.

Something about a statue, some music, and a furnace.

I don't care if its the Pope himself or some "Vatican Official." If the Vatican can't say, "Yes, we align ourselves with those who believe that marriage is a union between one man and one woman, and that one's first duty is to obey God's Law, and not man's" then I'm not sure exactly what they're there for.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 02:52 PM (kff5f)

103 The Modern Pope isn't Catholic, he's a purveyor of class warfare and social justice.
Posted by: Fritz
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I wonder if B16 thought he had really stamped out Liberation Theology. Leftism is a mental disease the human race keeps relapsing into. Maybe there's nothing that can be done.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 02, 2015 02:52 PM (E5UB0)

104 I would just urge Catholics to do some of their own Bible "learning" and ask themselves why they are bound to an institution like the Catholic Church that has so gone off the rails when it comes to doctrine.

Jesus certainly didn't kowtow to corrupt religious authorities in his time, he had constant battles with the Pharisees and Sadducees and called them out as part of the problem.

Posted by: Coolio at October 02, 2015 02:52 PM (ugaUI)

105 That's just it, the people that celebrate the new Pope's direction won't step foot in a Church now or ever. The people he's offending are the ones that never miss a Mass.

****

Raises hand.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at October 02, 2015 02:53 PM (KkVB6)

106 All over the Earth Christians are under attack.

From the genocidal attack in the Middle East to hate mongering shooters in the US.

i could stand and be a powerful voice and force for those unfortunates,

buuuuuut, instead I'll cower and read from the Progtard Playbook.

HeeHaw vobiscum.

Posted by: Pope Francis the Talking Mule at October 02, 2015 02:44 PM (0cMkb)

And Don't Forget. Guns and armsmakers are EVIL.

Posted by: The 112th Pope at October 02, 2015 02:53 PM (SukjU)

107 Vatican has no balls.

Cojones excommunicado!

Posted by: Hepcat at October 02, 2015 02:53 PM (IeR2g)

108 Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt TrumpProd (tm) at October 02, 2015 02:51 PM (rIQuo)

Seriously, how pathetic.

This was likely a huge deal for this woman. to meet the pope and have him give her a few words of encouragement.

I'd imagine it was life changing.

Now the popes saying "oh, yeah, oops. Didnt even know who the broad was. Was just being nice. Shouldn't have taken the meeting though."

What a dick.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 02:53 PM (AkOaV)

109 It is a mistake to conflate un-named "sources" in the Vatican with the Pope, himself. Even "official" statements may represent several stakeholders within the hierarchy. Hence the ambiguity of the "official" statements.

If the Holy Father is meeting with the "marginalized and despised," then the fact that he met with both the gay couple and Davis is true to that mission. The fact that both the Left and the Right are emerging with less than perfect satisfaction from this incident is probably indicative that the Pope is staying true to Christ.

God's ways are not Man's ways and believing Christians have to trust that the hand of the Holy Spirit is at work in all things.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at October 02, 2015 02:53 PM (ljZD2)

110 Of course. He want's to be a pop star. Literally.

He's releasing a pop album.

Good lord, I wish I was joking...

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At least it doesn't include If You Think I'm Sexy or I Like Big Butts.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 02, 2015 02:53 PM (XUKZU)

111 He's my Pope, and so was Benedict.

Neither are my savior.

Posted by: Feh at October 02, 2015 02:54 PM (SsYt1)

112 Well, that's different than saying, "He's not my Pope."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 02, 2015 02:51 PM (cgZPg)

It's a general sense of disgust and loathing at this guy leading the Church. Just like Barry being president and CnC.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 02, 2015 02:54 PM (493sH)

113 I would just urge Catholics to do some of their own Bible "learning" and ask themselves why they are bound to an institution like the Catholic Church that has so gone off the rails when it comes to doctrine.
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Nah, even conservative, well educated Catholics will make excuses for the pope and not abandon him.

Note how ambiguous everything he says is. There will always be deniability for those who are anxious to remain in the fold.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 02, 2015 02:55 PM (E5UB0)

114 Then perhaps Francis should join old Benny in retirement.

Posted by: Stu-22 at October 02, 2015 02:55 PM (vd4oB)

115 Hmm.

Tolerance doesn't mean much to these folks, does it?

Posted by: Moki at October 02, 2015 02:55 PM (x303I)

116 This is guy is the Khardashian Pope.

I miss John-Paul II.

Posted by: Mike at October 02, 2015 02:56 PM (ISxUB)

117 Jesus certainly didn't kowtow to corrupt religious authorities in his time, he had constant battles with the Pharisees and Sadducees and called them out as part of the problem.

Posted by: Coolio at October 02, 2015 02:52 PM (ugaUI)

Don't Forget What Happened to Him.

I'd prefer not to be a martyr.
I will if I must.

Posted by: rd at October 02, 2015 02:56 PM (SukjU)

118 Second look at Eastern Orthodox for me I think

Yeah, if the Church is committed to this shit I'm out. I'm not sure where I'll go, but this guy is NOT a Christian.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 02, 2015 02:56 PM (88fBD)

119 It's kind of sad that an ordinary woman in Kentucky is more true to her Christian beliefs than the Pope. She has been reviled, sent to jail, suffered death threats and she remains firm. The Pope gets criticism over merely speaking to her and his "people" are leaking that he regrets the meeting.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 02, 2015 02:56 PM (kXoT0)

120 God's ways are not Man's ways and believing Christians have to trust that the hand of the Holy Spirit is at work in all things.

Are you for real?

Posted by: Grey Fox at October 02, 2015 02:56 PM (bZ7mE)

121 We can't let labels like "Satanist" or "abortionist" prevent us from reaching out to the other side.

- Pope Frankie the Boehner

Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 02, 2015 02:56 PM (XUKZU)

122 >>Hey, Jesus had a meeting with that woman of ill repute.

Jesus chatted with the Samaritan woman (who had had 5 husbands) at the well and asked her for a drink. Meanwhile, his disciples stood in shock that he would address this woman.

*headslap*

Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2015 02:56 PM (NOIQH)

123 The regret is because of how it caused rash judgement in others (a sin). It is more along the lines of "Man, I am sorry you guys freaked out, sheesh" but in Theologian.

Posted by: Richard at October 02, 2015 02:57 PM (WEu8/)

124 Jesus certainly didn't kowtow to corrupt religious authorities in his time, he had constant battles with the Pharisees and Sadducees and called them out as part of the problem.

Posted by: Coolio

Don't Forget What Happened to Him.

Became more powerful than they ever were?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at October 02, 2015 02:57 PM (9krrF)

125 We've all seen that meme going around: "Hates X, Still Did Job."

I think I need a picture of a Furnace with "Hated Idolatry. Didn't Do Job. Got Law Changed."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 02:57 PM (kff5f)

126 Yeah, heir of St. Peter my ass.

Posted by: Naes at October 02, 2015 02:57 PM (Ypc8j)

127 Jesus certainly didn't kowtow to corrupt religious authorities in his time, he had constant battles with the Pharisees and Sadducees and called them out as part of the problem.
Posted by: Coolio
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Also see Gal 1:6-9

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 02, 2015 02:57 PM (E5UB0)

128 Watch "Kepler Mars Anomaly" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/ZGtWIGBqI6c

Posted by: Informer at October 02, 2015 02:57 PM (wiBmd)

129 So how did the humble Mrs Davis from Kentucky just happen to finagle a meeting with the Pope?

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at October 02, 2015 02:58 PM (uz/Pv)

130 "do some of their own Bible 'learning' and ask themselves why they are bound"

well shucks bein' a dumbass Cathlick I dont now nothing about no Bible' but I reckin it has somefin' ta do with Matthew 16:13-23

/whacks forehead with heavy gilt Roman Missal

Posted by: Feh at October 02, 2015 02:58 PM (SsYt1)

131 I wonder if the Pope has been paying attention to the Episcopalians, who have also decided to become "hip" and "with it, Daddy-O" and "down" with the socially and culturally relevant cool kids.

Posted by: troyriser

Don't need Episcopos when you have Jesuits as the very model of a modern mondo monk.

Jesuits of "the" liberation theology, that is.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 02, 2015 02:58 PM (JmGFJ)

132 Jesus certainly didn't kowtow to corrupt religious authorities in his time, he had constant battles with the Pharisees and Sadducees and called them out as part of the problem.

Definitely a Protestant take on things. As an alternate thought:

"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach."

I can see Catholics choosing to watch and pray.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at October 02, 2015 02:58 PM (0NdlF)

133 We also demand that the Pope apologize for kissing all those babies! Babies are icky! Unless they're being aborted and chopped up for cash to be donated to Democrats, of course. Then they're great!

Posted by: Media Assholes of America at October 02, 2015 02:58 PM (vd4oB)

134 I would just urge Catholics to do some of their own Bible "learning" and ask themselves why they are bound to an institution like the Catholic Church that has so gone off the rails when it comes to doctrine.

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Surely, you're not Catholic. That sentence makes little sense in that context. For the record, I'm not either.

Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at October 02, 2015 02:58 PM (3ZtZW)

135 I'm not sure where I'll go, but this guy is NOT a Christian.

Might I recommend one of the Campbell-Stone "Speak where the Bible speaks and be silent where it is silent" movement churches?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 02:58 PM (kff5f)

136 So a Pope would not be interested in the ability of his parishioners to practice their faith? Manhattan Media strikes again, and again and again. THe Stupid is big with this country.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 02, 2015 02:59 PM (oDCMR)

137 The Pope looks just like Stan Laurel of Laurel Hardy.

http://tinyurl.com/pekx8br

Posted by: Hepcat at October 02, 2015 02:59 PM (IeR2g)

138 Posted by: trumpetdaddy at October 02, 2015 02:53 PM (ljZD2)

As a reformed Catholic, I think I'm allowed to say the Holy Father should suck a dick.

He comes to the US, lectures us on his leftist (borderline Communist) political views, lectures us on money, on the amount of fuel we use, etc, then jets back to his multi billion dollar city state in Europe.

If he isn't smart enough to understand basic political theory and basic economics, then he should shut up and only talk about the stuff he knows about -- presumably religion.

But I've never heard him talk about religion. Just leftist platitudes mixed with vaguely Christian sounding platitudes.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 02:59 PM (AkOaV)

139 Wait, the Vatican, whose main purpose is to instill a sense of regret in the masses . . .

. . . itself expresses a sense of regret?

How metaphysical.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at October 02, 2015 02:59 PM (YqcVw)

140 So OT, but Turkish forces are stationed in a Yazidi refuge camp in Turkey gearing up for a fight against the Kurds.

Posted by: Lauren at October 02, 2015 02:59 PM (S5zql)

141 >>>Of course. He want's to be a pop star. Literally.

One day Britney Spears will give him an award declaring him to be the King of Pope.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 02, 2015 02:59 PM (E5UB0)

142 has so gone off the rails when it comes to doctrine.

O, now. We're not doing to do the whole Reformation/Counter Reformation things again, are we ?!! The Popes's pronouncements on global; warming, ilmmigration etc are not doctrine. They are his personal political opinions. I'm assuming the conservative RC's here are quite clear about doctrine within the RCC and why they support it.

And yes, FTR, I am happy as a Protestant although not happy with all the views of my Bishop. Even even though there are parts of RC doctrine I don't agree with-which there is no need for me to go into as it doesn't build up they body of Christ-I will stand shoulder too shoulder with my RC friends when their priests go to jail for not per foaming gay marriage or non progressive Christianity becomes illegal/

We must all hand together or will surely hang separately.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 02, 2015 02:59 PM (cgZPg)

143
I'm sorry; I don't understand that. if you're a practicing RC (aren't you?) he's "the" Pope isn't he? unless you were trying to say he's officially the Pope but not the one you support or like? I'm not trying to be argumentative here. I'd just appreciate some clarification. I mean, I can Obama's not my President but he really is whether I like him or not-and I don't.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 02, 2015 02:47 PM (cgZPg)

****

Don't know where you got the impression I am a Roman Catholic. Never was. Generally don't get into on-line religious discussions.

He's literally not my pope.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 02, 2015 02:59 PM (NeFrd)

144 Welp! If I hadn't already mentally and emotionally "checked out" from Rome, this would be the last straw.

In God we Trust. You humans are bastards, though.

Oh well. I can aid 'ette morale a little though. Here's that veteran that charged yesterday's shooter, somewhat prior to that event. You're welcome.

https://twitter.com/theferocity/status/650017306555248640

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at October 02, 2015 03:00 PM (9krrF)

145 Performing, not perfoaming; Yikes!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 02, 2015 03:00 PM (cgZPg)

146 For the record, I left the Catholic church when I was sitting in mass and the priest asked us to pray for "universal health care for all".

Which was right before they took up a second collection to pay for the legal fund of a priest falsely (well, not according to a jury, but according to my pastor) accused of molesting children.

And I said "fuck it i'm out of here" and haven't gone back.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 03:00 PM (AkOaV)

147 129 So how did the humble Mrs Davis from Kentucky just happen to finagle a meeting with the Pope?

There are actual Catholics who set the meeting up.

This Pope is kind of a moron. He tends to just smile and hold up whatever you give him, like a communist crucifix or what have you.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 02, 2015 03:01 PM (88fBD)

148 It is a mistake to conflate un-named "sources" in the Vatican with the Pope, himself. Even "official" statements may represent several stakeholders within the hierarchy. Hence the ambiguity of the "official" statements.

If the Holy Father is meeting with the "marginalized and despised," then the fact that he met with both the gay couple and Davis is true to that mission. The fact that both the Left and the Right are emerging with less than perfect satisfaction from this incident is probably indicative that the Pope is staying true to Christ.

God's ways are not Man's ways and believing Christians have to trust that the hand of the Holy Spirit is at work in all things.

Used to be that when the Pope said something that betrayed his Marxist leanings or secular worship, those "unnamed sources" would be right there to spin his plain language into something that was supposed to reassure Catholics that no, this Pope is still totes awesome.

Now those "unnamed sources" are NOT to be trusted....?

Really?

Seems to me the Pope is a grown man and can speak for himself. And he's been doing a lot of speaking, through deeds as well as words. That this was a secret meeting to begin with says really all I need to hear.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at October 02, 2015 03:01 PM (PFy0L)

149 FenelonSpoke,

I can ignore Pope Francis in the political world but under the umbrella of "faith and morals" I must respect and obey him.

Unfortunately for me, I am starting to realize that his idea of morals is wrong.

I may have quit the K of C over this.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at October 02, 2015 03:01 PM (1ijHg)

150 @117 rd, He chose to die on that cross for our sins.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at October 02, 2015 03:01 PM (DmRs2)

151 She's been married four times. Believe me, if he knew, he'd throw her into the well.

Awesome.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at October 02, 2015 02:51 PM (uz/Pv)

Snort.

You know, Jesus spent half the bible meeting with people everyone else hated...

Posted by: Lea at October 02, 2015 03:01 PM (lIU4e)

152 This pope is easily the equal of Barack Obama in moral courage.

Posted by: Stu-22 at October 02, 2015 03:01 PM (vd4oB)

153 137
The Pope looks just like Stan Laurel of Laurel Hardy.

http://tinyurl.com/pekx8br

I mean, Laurel and Hardy

Posted by: Hepcat at October 02, 2015 03:01 PM (IeR2g)

154 "I would just urge Catholics to do some of their own Bible "learning" and ask themselves why they are bound to an institution like the Catholic Church that has so gone off the rails when it comes to doctrine. "

John 17:20-23

What's your excuse for frustrating this unity? We're holding fast to a universal apostolic church, that's our excuse.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at October 02, 2015 03:02 PM (L5HxJ)

155 They like Republicans who don't like Republicans and Popes who don't like Christians.

And whites who don't like whites.

And American presidents who don't like America.

Posted by: CJ at October 02, 2015 03:02 PM (9KqcB)

156 One day Britney Spears will give him an award declaring him to be the King of Pope.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 02, 2015 02:59 PM (E5UB0)

****

You don't say!

Posted by: The Duke of Earl at October 02, 2015 03:02 PM (NeFrd)

157 Okie dokie, I get that the Vatican is a seething hotbed of political intrigue. It's been that way from the gitgo. I refuse to believe that someone would speak to the press about Papal "regrets" without a basis in fact and tacit, if unspoken, permission. Everyone in the Vatican is supposed to be at the Pope's disposal. I'd like to think that someone speaking out of turn could suddenly find themselves ministering to the poor in a curia in EastBumRush instead of the Vatican.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 02, 2015 03:03 PM (kXoT0)

158 (laughing)

you know, I know I'm a Papist in what used to be the Protestant Frontier -- where mainline Protestant congregations are bleeding out in the cultural corner -- but I'd rather be in America than anywhere else and in the company of an independent-minded Horde than the fluffy headed enclaves of the left -- Catholic or otherwise

Posted by: Feh at October 02, 2015 03:03 PM (SsYt1)

159 Oy! So glad I retired. But where are all the endorsement deals?

Posted by: Pope Benedict (Ret.) at October 02, 2015 03:03 PM (9qvXj)

160 osted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 02, 2015 02:59 PM (NeFrd)

Oh, sorry; I'm confusing you with the poster who seemed to be interested in becoming a Deacon. perhaps

Who was that. Anyone know?; I thought he did puns too.

But you can see why the handle "Saemus Muldoon" might lead now to think you had a connection with the RCC. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 02, 2015 03:03 PM (cgZPg)

161 Look, this is the modern age. Can't we dispense with the wine and unleven bread and go with a few tokes of some primo Colombian?

- Pope Frankie the Boehner

Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 02, 2015 03:03 PM (XUKZU)

162 Conservative Monster, where does that quote come from?

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at October 02, 2015 03:03 PM (9Y7bY)

163 One day Britney Spears will give him an award declaring him to be the King of Pope.

Point of order, that honor is traditionally granted by the Duke of Earl.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at October 02, 2015 03:03 PM (9krrF)

164 not my pope either

but a voice of moral clarity in these dangerous times, times when religious minorities are literally being wiped out in the Middle East, when the middle east has devolved to a bloody islamic civil war, a middle east that is currently invading europe and will change it forever

I foolishly hoped for more. A Champion. I was stupid

Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 03:04 PM (zOTsN)

165 "I would just urge Catholics to do some of their own Bible "learning" and ask themselves why they are bound to an institution like the Catholic Church that has so gone off the rails when it comes to doctrine."

Nice of you to presume that Catholics don't do bible "learning." As for leaving, never. The Church has been in a battle for nearly 2000 years against secular forces and that will never stop. But, as Christ promised, the gates of Hell will not prevail against it.

Posted by: Benji Carver at October 02, 2015 03:04 PM (OD2ni)

166 And yes, FTR, I am happy as a Protestant although not happy with all the views of my Bishop. Even even though there are parts of RC doctrine I don't agree with-which there is no need for me to go into as it doesn't build up they body of Christ-I will stand shoulder too shoulder with my RC friends when their priests go to jail for not per foaming gay marriage or non progressive Christianity becomes illegal/

We must all hand together or will surely hang separately.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 02, 2015 02:59 PM (cgZPg)

Amen and Amen.

Posted by: Moki at October 02, 2015 03:04 PM (x303I)

167 You know, Jesus spent half the bible meeting with people everyone else hated...
Posted by: Lea
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And the other half dying for both them and everyone else.

Posted by: Roy at October 02, 2015 03:04 PM (VndSC)

168 In the wake of all this has the SPX or anyone else declared the church to be sedevacant?

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 02, 2015 03:04 PM (E5UB0)

169 "For the record, I left the Catholic church when I was sitting in mass and the priest asked us to pray for "universal health care for all"

I would've hit the ceiling and reported him to the local bishop.

Posted by: Feh at October 02, 2015 03:04 PM (SsYt1)

170 We demand that the pope also meet with Caitlyn Jenner! Because she is a strong, courageous, beautiful woman!

Posted by: Media Assholes of America at October 02, 2015 03:04 PM (vd4oB)

171 I'd like to think that someone speaking out of turn could suddenly find themselves ministering to the poor in a curia in EastBumRush instead of the Vatican.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 02, 2015 03:03 PM (kXoT0)

Yeah. More or less this.
Put another way: the buck stops with the pontiff.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 03:04 PM (kff5f)

172 140
So OT, but Turkish forces are stationed in a Yazidi refuge camp in Turkey gearing up for a fight against the Kurds.

Posted by: Lauren at October 02, 2015 02:59 PM (S5zql)

No whey!

Posted by: rebel flounder at October 02, 2015 03:04 PM (1DH1V)

173 130 "do some of their own Bible 'learning' and ask themselves why they are bound"

well shucks bein' a dumbass Cathlick I dont now nothing about no Bible' but I reckin it has somefin' ta do with Matthew 16:13-23

/whacks forehead with heavy gilt Roman Missal
Posted by: Feh

I guess you have to be brainwashed to read that string of verses and think it means you give absolute authority to the Vatican in Rome.

And FYI, the Apostle Paul had bitter disputes with Peter regarding the direction of the Church and having Gentiles be a part of the Christian faith.

Posted by: Coolio at October 02, 2015 03:05 PM (ugaUI)

174 *shrug*

The head of the Roman Catholic Church is also a politician.

My advice to the Pope would be similar to something that I recall reading, that Jesse Helms said to a staffer concerned about an opinion in the NYT: "Son, the people who vote for me don't care what the NYT thinks."

"Pope, the journalists don't vote for you, why should you be concerned what their opinion, the opinion of those of the world is?"

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Turbo-Charge What Agitates You at the Outrage Outlet! at October 02, 2015 03:05 PM (hLRSq)

175 'I refuse to believe that someone would speak to the press about Papal "regrets" without a basis in fact and tacit, if unspoken, permission. Everyone in the Vatican is supposed to be at the Pope's disposal. I'd like to think that someone speaking out of turn could suddenly find themselves ministering to the poor in a curia in EastBumRush instead of the Vatican."

Notice they didn't give their names.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at October 02, 2015 03:05 PM (L5HxJ)

176 Clearly the Pope is emulating Jesus who also regretted meeting the woman caught in adultery and brought to him by the Pharisees.

Posted by: Ken in NH at October 02, 2015 03:06 PM (MqjGP)

177 140
So OT, but Turkish forces are stationed in a Yazidi refuge camp in Turkey gearing up for a fight against the Kurds.

Posted by: Lauren at October 02, 2015 02:59 PM (S5zql)

No whey!
Posted by: rebel flounder at October 02, 2015 03:04 PM (1DH1V)

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Cheese Louise!!!

Those Turkish soldiers can be real munsters.

Posted by: fixerupper at October 02, 2015 03:06 PM (8XRCm)

178 Some of those kids at Umpqua showed a lot more balls when their Christianity was questioned than this Pope.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 02, 2015 03:06 PM (/tuJf)

179 I'm just a filthy Lutheran heretic but it seems to me that if you're going to be Pope then you ought to stick to being a spiritual leader rather than a political leader. Call me crazy.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at October 02, 2015 03:06 PM (RD7QR)

180 So OT, but Turkish forces are stationed in a Yazidi refuge camp in Turkey gearing up for a fight against the Kurds.

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We've got to prioritize. We're talking about ghey marriage.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 02, 2015 03:06 PM (XUKZU)

181 162 Conservative Monster, where does that quote come from?
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at October 02, 2015 03:03 PM (9Y7bY)

Bible, Matt 23:2-3

I've gotten into the habit of quoting Scripture without the references, in the theory that anyone who's interested can Google the quote and learn more that way.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at October 02, 2015 03:06 PM (0NdlF)

182 I would've hit the ceiling and reported him to the local bishop.
Posted by: Feh at October 02, 2015 03:04 PM (SsYt1)

Local bishop was a big leftist, and was pretty busy with the whole exploding sex scandal thing so I don't think he cared one way or another.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 03:06 PM (AkOaV)

183 I'm just going by the hair here, but I think he visited to confirm or deny that she's a vampire.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 02, 2015 03:07 PM (VdICR)

184 I would just urge Catholics to do some of their own Bible "learning" and ask themselves why they are bound to an institution like the Catholic Church that has so gone off the rails when it comes to doctrine.

Posted by: Coolio

What were you hoping to gain from this bit of condescension?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 02, 2015 03:07 PM (JmGFJ)

185
During my era I bought the Pope and most of his acolytes. It was a very profitable time for the family.

Posted by: Michael Corleone at October 02, 2015 03:07 PM (OiFtZ)

186 the Apostle Paul had bitter disputes with Peter regarding the direction of the Church and having Gentiles be a part of the Christian faith.

Errr... no?

The only "bitter dispute" Paul had with Peter was over Peter's hypocrisy in Antioch. Specifically, that Peter was content to eat with the Gentiles until some "from the circumcision group" showed up.

Peter was the apostle appointed to preach to the first Gentile converts - the house of Cornelius. I don't think he and Paul were at odds over adding Gentiles to the church.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 03:08 PM (kff5f)

187 I would suggest that politically conservative Catholics who threaten to quit the faith due to the political views of the Pope share the exact same attitude as liberal Catholics who quit the faith due to the political views of recent previous Popes.

Your faith is supposed to be stronger than that.

It doesn't surprise me, though. When it comes to faith matters, this country celebrates people like Joel Osteen and denigrates people preaching true servant-leadership and humility in God's service.

Expecting "Christians" who know no more about the faith than the lyrics of the "praise band" pop tunes they dance along to at their "services" at the local mega-church to be able to seriously digest anything coming out of the Vatican beyond a surface level is a bridge way too far.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at October 02, 2015 03:08 PM (ljZD2)

188 "My advice to the Pope would be similar to something that I recall reading, that Jesse Helms said to a staffer concerned about an opinion in the NYT: "Son, the people who vote for me don't care what the NYT thinks."

Apparently the bishops got bypassed with this meeting and the bishops are catching hell in the local press. So the Vatican has to cover to some extent for the bishops. Apparently the only laws the bishops think should be broken involve immigration.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at October 02, 2015 03:08 PM (L5HxJ)

189 "All politics is now a dress rehearsal for civil war"

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at October 02, 2015 03:08 PM (7RXcs)

190 This Pope is kind of a moron. He tends to just smile and hold up whatever you give him, like a communist crucifix or what have you.

The Joe Biden of Popes.

Posted by: wooga at October 02, 2015 03:09 PM (KVq/V)

191 I just have to remember our pastors sermon about a month ago, Gos is in charge.,do you think the politicians rule things?,they don't God is charge.

It helps at these times

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at October 02, 2015 03:09 PM (UiGnh)

192 It may have been a play by the bishops who know their about to get hammered on religious freedom by uncle sam.

Feeling abandoned by some of the intuitions that seems to care less (hi, catholic hospitals!) They tried this.

But the Vatican has no balls apparently and rather than say "we stand by what we said about freedom of conscience" they went "whelp, bye."

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at October 02, 2015 03:09 PM (tM4uk)

193 So does anyone remember who the poster was who was possibly studying to be a Deacon in the RCC? I didn't imagine this.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 02, 2015 03:09 PM (cgZPg)

194 Just to clarify: the Pope is OK with wading into American political discussions when it comes to requesting states to not execute specific criminal by name, but meeting with Kim Davis was a mistake because he didn't understand the political implications?

Either weighing in on American political issues is OK, or it's not (to the Left and to the Pope) - you can't have it both ways in one visit.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2015 03:10 PM (NOIQH)

195 Dope Frank bats left and only left...

190 Posted by: wooga at October 02, 2015 03:09 PM (KVq/V)

absolutely...we live in a helluva an epoch when the best defense our betters have for their gaffes is "well I'm a borderline retard."

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 02, 2015 03:10 PM (g8Hfr)

196 There are actual Catholics who set the meeting up.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 02, 2015 03:01 PM (88fBD)

that is my point. They had to be people involved with the Pope's visit that wanted her to be there. she couldn't set up the meeting all by herself. So to now disavowt her is really bad.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at October 02, 2015 03:10 PM (uz/Pv)

197 "...who wanted the Catholic Church to be cool and hip like that Episcopals..."

*does double take, pauses*

I am an Episcopalian. We are cool, so cool we are referred to as the "Frozen Chosen".

And that's all the cool we are.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Turbo-Charge What Agitates You at the Outrage Outlet! at October 02, 2015 03:10 PM (hLRSq)

198 Coolio why did the apostles appoint a successor to Judas?

Posted by: Chris Balsz at October 02, 2015 03:10 PM (L5HxJ)

199 194 Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2015 03:10 PM (NOIQH)

They absolutely can play their games with in and out.

Who will stop them or question it forcefully?

The GOP?

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 02, 2015 03:11 PM (g8Hfr)

200 Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at October 02, 2015 03:01 PM (DmRs2)

I know that well.

I said of myself,
I'd prefer not to be a martyr.
I will if I must.

Posted by: rd at October 02, 2015 03:11 PM (SukjU)

201 Oh boy. The establishment is covering their bases. Chaffetz makes long shot bid for speaker.

Posted by: Golfman at October 02, 2015 03:11 PM (48QDY)

202 Posted by: trumpetdaddy at October 02, 2015 03:08 PM (ljZD2)

If you're going to call yourself the Vicar of Christ and claim to be infallible in all things faith related, you should probably make it a habit to shut the fuck up about politics then.

Right?

I mean, I don't understand how you can give money to an organization that has called "capitalism" a source of evil. They're saying you are evil, your money is blood money. Why would you give them any of that blood money and taint them like that?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 03:11 PM (AkOaV)

203 196 Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at October 02, 2015 03:10 PM (uz/Pv)

She is also in all likelihood a Baptist statistically for that part of Kentucky...

so what reason other than making a comment on her treatment would there have been for His Gracelessness to meet her?

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 02, 2015 03:12 PM (g8Hfr)

204 Some of those kids at Umpqua showed a lot more balls when their Christianity was questioned than this Pope.

====

Down Low Pope

Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at October 02, 2015 03:12 PM (3ZtZW)

205 MFM needs to DIAF..stat.

Posted by: Doom Rider at October 02, 2015 03:12 PM (ck8TA)

206 Ah. Interestingly enough, Jesus then goes on to call them hypocrites in the same chapter, and says they are fit for hell.

I wouldn't do some things that even leaders in my own church say are okay, honestly. Not alone in that.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at October 02, 2015 03:12 PM (9Y7bY)

207 claim to be infallible in all things faith related

no.
just wrong

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at October 02, 2015 03:13 PM (tM4uk)

208 I noticed how the liberal media didn't give a shit that the Pope refused to meet with Cuban dissidents, or visit prisoners in Cuban jails. Francis didn't even pretend to be outraged when Cuban state security agents beat up Cuban dissidents who tried to hand a letter to the Pope, and the liberal media ignore that as well.

Posted by: Griffin at October 02, 2015 03:13 PM (Sc1Dh)

209 Coolio why did the apostles appoint a successor to Judas?

-
The press finally started mentioning the Judas Family Foundation?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 02, 2015 03:13 PM (XUKZU)

210 Bienvenues!

Posted by: l'Office de Tourisme d'Avignon at October 02, 2015 03:13 PM (s7Vu4)

211 " 'I refuse to believe that someone would speak to the press about Papal "regrets" without a basis in fact and tacit, if unspoken, permission."

If you think everyone in a large, fractious, querulous institution is on the same page all the time, look around you. The only time they are is if the head person is iron-willed and employs tireless, merciless, near-soulless hatchet men.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Turbo-Charge What Agitates You at the Outrage Outlet! at October 02, 2015 03:13 PM (hLRSq)

212
He enjoyed his private meeting with the gaylords better.

Posted by: CNN at October 02, 2015 03:13 PM (wAQA5)

213 Notice they didn't give their names.
Posted by: Chris Balsz at October 02, 2015 03:05 PM (L5HxJ)

Yeah, all this stuff is always on condition of anonymity, but, these little tattlers and leakers are on very thin ice if the Big Guy/Gal did not agree to the leak.

Has Pope Francis sent out a press release denying these leaks? If he doesn't, then who do we believe. He should at least have the grit to say something like I met with her voluntarily and we had a productive talk.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 02, 2015 03:13 PM (kXoT0)

214 If you're going to call yourself the Vicar of Christ and claim to be infallible in all things faith related, you should probably make it a habit to shut the fuck up about politics then.

The Pope is only infallible when he speaks ex cathedra, an incredibly rare event. Otherwise he is quite fallible and human.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 02, 2015 03:13 PM (88fBD)

215 Is that Pope Francis?

The political leader of the Vatican, a country with the strictest immigration laws on Earth?

Yeah, thought so.

Whitewashed wall, hypocrites, nest of vipers, etc.

Posted by: Mortimer at October 02, 2015 03:14 PM (0dcbp)

216 Some of those kids at Umpqua showed a lot more balls when their Christianity was questioned than this Pope.

====

Down Low Pope

-
His motto: Let's hide our light under a bushel.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 02, 2015 03:14 PM (XUKZU)

217 this country celebrates people like Joel Osteen and denigrates people preaching true servant-leadership and humility in God's service.

This "country" doesn't do that. Certain people in the country do or people who attend Osteen's church do. There are any number of people here who are Christians who really don't respond well to the "name it and claim it/prosperity gospel preaching and have said so. I'm one of them

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 02, 2015 03:14 PM (cgZPg)

218 I wish he would have challanged Castro to release political prisoners when he met him

perhaps that is the meeting he should regret

Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 03:14 PM (zOTsN)

219
I wonder if Billy Graham had met with a gay couple what people would be saying. It seems religious leaders should be concerned with people's souls. But everything is politicized these days, so I guess he would have been persona non grata.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 02, 2015 03:14 PM (ODxAs)

220 207 claim to be infallible in all things faith related

no.
just wrong
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at October 02, 2015 03:13 PM (tM4uk)

Really. Huh. Well, I guess 9 years of Catholic school was wrong and I just made up Papal infallibility?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 03:14 PM (AkOaV)

221 My faith is stronger than this man in Peters chair tyvm
My faith calls me to divorce (SWIDT) myself from what is n teasingly not the Church of my faith, not in word or deed

My faith remains
My loyalty to an institution ( which is not the same as my faith BTW) extends only as far as my conscience ( an essential aspect of my faith) permits

Posted by: ginaswo at October 02, 2015 03:15 PM (qxNrP)

222 joncelli, so you are a fellow Jello Salad eater?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at October 02, 2015 03:15 PM (8PcKC)

223 coolio

Not brainwashed, just recognizing it's a good and complex subject worth reading about. I've done a fair bit, and it hasn't troubled me. The seat of Peter is critically important, as all our early Church fathers well knew.

I do recognize that the Spirit bloweth where it listeth. I have friends and family in mainline Protestant congregations and close friends who are varieties of Orthodox, Jewish included. I've been to shul, to service, and to monasteries. God is wild, everywhere.

We Christians have more in common than we do different, which is why our differences tend to get amplified.

My take on the Pope is that he's a pastor, not an intellectual. He's unsystematic in his thinking, doesn't much care for "system" anyway, and knows that Christ did not come for the righteous, but for sinners. He's like the father in the parable of the prodigal son, and many of us are like the older son, pissed off for various reasons. But unlike God, this Pope has people around him who are using him for bad purposes, and that's a serious problem.

The Pope doesn't have the intelligence of God. He needs good advisors. This one is not being well-served by them.

Posted by: Feh at October 02, 2015 03:15 PM (SsYt1)

224 216 Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 02, 2015 03:14 PM (XUKZU)

as Jesse Jesus' imaginary brother said...

"witness for big brother when you know it is convienient... big bro says being a good Xian is a piece of cake..."

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 02, 2015 03:15 PM (g8Hfr)

225 This whole priest/pedo scandal was driven by the take over of the seminaries by the lavender mob. Is Franky's "regret" an indication that the ghaystapo still runs the church?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at October 02, 2015 03:16 PM (iQIUe)

226 187 I would suggest that politically conservative Catholics who threaten to quit the faith due to the political views of the Pope share the exact same attitude as liberal Catholics who quit the faith due to the political views of recent previous Popes.

Fair enough, but if the Pope refuses to meet with people who are against gay marriage, that means he doesn't want me around.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 02, 2015 03:16 PM (88fBD)

227
"claim to be infallible in all things faith related

no.

just wrong"

Exactly. I'm always amused by people who have such strongly negative feelings about the Church who have only the most simplistic understanding of what they claim such strong feeling about.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at October 02, 2015 03:16 PM (ljZD2)

228 "The Pope is only infallible when he speaks ex cathedra, an incredibly rare event. Otherwise he is quite fallible and human."

Thanks for writing that. I have been quite surprised at how many are simply ignorant about the doctrine of infallibility, yet feel compelled to opine about it.

Posted by: Benji Carver at October 02, 2015 03:16 PM (OD2ni)

229 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 03:08 PM (kff5f)

Cut. Jib. Newsletter. Perhaps you teach Sunday School? Bringing the knowledge. I wish I had paid better attention.

Posted by: Golfman at October 02, 2015 03:16 PM (48QDY)

230 I have seriously began considering converting to Judaism. Too bad you have to jump through more hoops than getting into Studio 54.

Posted by: Naes at October 02, 2015 03:16 PM (Ypc8j)

231 Remember when John Paul II met with Lech Walesa and supported Solidarity when the whole commie world was going to come down on them and then John Paul said he had a sense of regret over it? Neither do I

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 02, 2015 03:16 PM (493sH)

232 "If you're going to call yourself the Vicar of Christ and claim to be infallible in all things faith related, you should probably make it a habit to shut the fuck up about politics then. "

The Catholic view is that all things not intrinsically evil can be done in a Christian way. There is always a right thing to do. There is a Christian politics and a Christian shoemaking and a Christian way to sell insurance.

"I mean, I don't understand how you can give money to an organization that has called "capitalism" a source of evil. They're saying you are evil, your money is blood money."

Capitalism includes Planned Parenthood. Capitalism is not pure, it must be tamed and restrained. I really don't get how we kill kids for parts on an industrial scale and subsidize it federally and then bitch that the American economy is besmirched with a hint of criticism. As far as the world goes, it is not yet true that people refrain from dumping toxic waste or paying workers an hourly wage or refrain from beating them up when they try to unionize, so "capitalism" ought to be challenged.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at October 02, 2015 03:16 PM (L5HxJ)

233 207. ----- 220

And that's when the fight began

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at October 02, 2015 03:16 PM (Oy0zJ)

234 If you think everyone in a large, fractious, querulous institution is on the same page all the time, look around you. The only time they are is if the head person is iron-willed and employs tireless, merciless, near-soulless hatchet men.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Turbo-Charge What Agitates You at the Outrage Outlet! at October 02, 2015 03:13 PM (hLRSq)

No, I don't, I am not that niave, but, these back channel communications exist for a reason. This Pope demoted a Cardinal, did he not? Seems to me if he did not regret the meeting with Davis, then he could deal with this leak--with or without the soulless hatchet men. By the by, the Vatican is famous for having such efficient men to enforce the will of the Popel

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 02, 2015 03:17 PM (kXoT0)

235 The Swiss Guard don't need guns, just fancy halberds.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at October 02, 2015 03:17 PM (VdICR)

236 Really. Huh. Well, I guess 9 years of Catholic school was wrong and I just made up Papal infallibility?

I had 9 years of Catholic school too so I know it doesn't actually teach the doctrine very well.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 02, 2015 03:17 PM (88fBD)

237 never in my life time has there been a pope who is so consistantly misquoted

so frequently contradicted by unnamed underlings

so completely misunderstood when he embraces dictators

and so consistent in not challanging the views of the main stream press

he may be nearly secular

Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 03:17 PM (zOTsN)

238 CNN now reporting that the Pope also met with a gay couple.

Posted by: Franklin Raines at October 02, 2015 03:17 PM (e8kgV)

239 Posted by: Feh at October 02, 2015 03:15 PM (SsYt1)

Well said.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 02, 2015 03:17 PM (cgZPg)

240 Harry, Pope Benedict used to publish works of theology even as Pope but he was careful to say that this was just his interpretation, so infallibility wasn't invoked. Basically that "ex cathedra" thing.

Posted by: l'Office de Tourisme d'Avignon at October 02, 2015 03:18 PM (s7Vu4)

241 228 "The Pope is only infallible when he speaks ex cathedra, an incredibly rare event. Otherwise he is quite fallible and human."

Thanks for writing that. I have been quite surprised at how many are simply ignorant about the doctrine of infallibility, yet feel compelled to opine about it.
Posted by: Benji Carver at October 02, 2015 03:16 PM (OD2ni)

When speaking on issues of faith, the pope is infallible.

If he declares something an issue of faith, and opines on it, no one in the church can overrule him.

These are the stipulations;

A decision of the supreme teaching authority of the Church (pope or College of Bishops)
Concern a doctrine of faith or morals
Bind the universal Church
Be proposed as something to hold firmly and immutably

Correct?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 03:18 PM (AkOaV)

242 Yes, good heavens. We wouldn't want to say anything resembling support for religious doctrine and principles that would upset the liberal media orthodoxy.

Have I mentioned our support for phony global warming under the guise of loving the planet God created. Or perhaps our support for subterfuge of democracy by implying sovereignty, forms of governments which are not socialistic and being unwelcoming to massive illegal incursions- are acts against God?

Feel better now?

Posted by: Marcus T at October 02, 2015 03:18 PM (l/pfE)

243 Why a sense of regret? Some bunch of queer Cardinals there, probably, upset that the Pope did something that gives them the sadz

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 02, 2015 03:18 PM (39g3+)

244 CNN now reporting that the Pope also met with a gay couple.

Posted by: Franklin Raines at October 02, 2015 03:17 PM (e8kgV)

Wonder if he'll have a sense of regret over that?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 02, 2015 03:19 PM (493sH)

245 The point for me is the Vatican is ashamed of meeting with kim davis and promoting the meeting with a gay married couple while talking nonstop about how the way we live our lives in the US is wrong

If I want a liberation theology Marxist telos king me the way to live Ill go see Jeremiah Wright

If I want a place to feel united in love of Christ I apparently need to look elsewhere

Message received

Posted by: ginaswo at October 02, 2015 03:19 PM (qxNrP)

246 Posted by: l'Office de Tourisme d'Avignon at October 02, 2015 03:18 PM (s7Vu4)

My point is -- Popes know they have to chose their words very carefully.

This Pope does not seem to care that he's advocating for an oppressive system of government and economics.

And his defenders say, "Eh, he's just a dude riding around in a fiat talking off the top of his head. No big deal."

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 03:19 PM (AkOaV)

247 Sorry freaking typos

Posted by: ginaswo at October 02, 2015 03:19 PM (qxNrP)

248 That's what you get when you rob Peter to pay Paul.

Posted by: Almond Joy at October 02, 2015 03:19 PM (W5DcG)

249 Being the Oprah Pope means lots of feelings and smiles. Kind of like the Dalai Lama but with better accommodations.

Posted by: Puddin Head at October 02, 2015 03:19 PM (oDCMR)

250 As for the Pope meeting a "gay" couple (a homosexual couple) - that, he did deliberately. Nobody is saying the pope was led astray there

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 02, 2015 03:20 PM (s7Vu4)

251 Testing highly rated iPad browser & it's crashed several times!

Posted by: Carol at October 02, 2015 03:20 PM (sj3Ax)

252 "Fair enough, but if the Pope refuses to meet with people who are against gay marriage, that means he doesn't want me around."

Who cares what he wants. It's what Christ wants that counts, friend. Catholic doctrine remains that gay marriage is wrong. Pope Francis cannot change that. He's a silly old man that will be gone soon and we will have a new pope. Thankfully, the Catholic Church moves like a glacier.

Posted by: Benji Carver at October 02, 2015 03:20 PM (OD2ni)

253 and then John Paul said he had a sense of regret over it? Neither do I

Did this Pope say that or was it some unnamed official who may or may not exist?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 02, 2015 03:20 PM (ODxAs)

254 Posted by: Chris Balsz at October 02, 2015 03:16 PM (L5HxJ)

planned parenthood?!

First off, they're a 100% crony organization.

Second off, are you trying to say there is no abortion in communist countries, like, say China?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 03:21 PM (AkOaV)

255 I wonder if Billy Graham had met with a gay couple what people would be saying. It seems religious leaders should be concerned with people's souls. But everything is politicized these days, so I guess he would have been persona non grata.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 02, 2015 03:14 PM (ODxAs)

Billy Graham has been really solid, so I think a lot of people would assume he was trying too promote the gospel to them.

the problem is that this Pope seems to be all in for a lot of the leftist agenda, hence the distrust.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at October 02, 2015 03:21 PM (uz/Pv)

256 When speaking on issues of faith, the pope is infallible.

If he declares something an issue of faith, and opines on it, no one in the church can overrule him.

These are the stipulations;

A decision of the supreme teaching authority of the Church (pope or College of Bishops)
Concern a doctrine of faith or morals
Bind the universal Church
Be proposed as something to hold firmly and immutably

Correct?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

Wrong.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 02, 2015 03:21 PM (JmGFJ)

257 Larry Correia's take on the Modern Man

http://tinyurl.com/p8lz7h9

The modern man has no use for a gun. He doesn't own one, and he never will.

This is probably the stupidest one in the whole bunch.

You have no use for the gun? What about in #16? Oh, that's right. We're dealing with a chickenshit talking out of his ass about a subject he doesn't even begin to comprehend.

So, you're going to fight off that intruder with what? Your shoe horn? Clue time, fuckwit, the kind of guy (let's call him T-Bone) who invades your house in the middle of the night doesn't give a shit about melon ballers. Uh oh! T-Bone drinks Mountain Dew. SHOW HIM THE DOOR. Only he spent time in prison learning how to fuck people up, and his idea of winning at Modern Manhood is being a pitcher rather than a catcher in the prison showers. What are you going to do to defend your wife and children now? Talk to him about your shared love for Wu-Tang? Show him your Kenneth Cole oxford collection?

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 02, 2015 03:21 PM (fWAjv)

258 109 It is a mistake to conflate un-named "sources" in the Vatican with the Pope, himself. Even "official" statements may represent several stakeholders within the hierarchy. Hence the ambiguity of the "official" statements.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at October 02, 2015 02:53 PM (ljZD2)

Thanks for letting us know that the RNC is all clear with this so they can type us those form letters to Catholic donors

Posted by: kbdabear at October 02, 2015 03:21 PM (GrXXa)

259 I bet there were Cardinals who regretted the Pope met Lech Walesa

Posted by: Chris Balsz at October 02, 2015 03:21 PM (L5HxJ)

260 259 Posted by: Chris Balsz at October 02, 2015 03:21 PM (L5HxJ)

I'll bet you Dope Frank was not thrilled.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at October 02, 2015 03:23 PM (g8Hfr)

261 I always assumed it was just meet and greet of various people so I believe the Pope really had no clue. That said the walk back is disgusting.

I guess the Pope is just like Jimmy Carter who had his pic taken with the Reverend Jim Jones.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at October 02, 2015 03:23 PM (+lSVr)

262 lets assume the spokesman who said he regretting meeting Kim Davis misspoke

and that he is constantly misunderstood

its still a pretty profound leadership problem

Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 03:23 PM (zOTsN)

263 Second look at Eastern Orthodox for me I think

Posted by: ginaswo at October 02, 2015 02:46 PM

Welcome! We have awesome baklava! (I keed, I keed)

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 02, 2015 03:23 PM (KrAjA)

264 "Second off, are you trying to say there is no abortion in communist countries, like, say China?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 03:21 PM (AkOaV)"

Nope.
I'm saying American capitalism as endorsed at the highest level would make an Aztec blench.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at October 02, 2015 03:23 PM (L5HxJ)

265 He's a silly old man that will be gone soon and we will have a new pope.
Posted by: Benji Carver at October 02, 2015 03:20 PM (OD2ni)

Ummm...not so much.

Posted by: Saint Malachy at October 02, 2015 03:24 PM (vgIRn)

266 Shemp says Obama is going to speak about Syria.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 02, 2015 03:24 PM (W5DcG)

267 "Correct?"

AllenG, maybe you can weigh in, but I think the Pope can only define something infallibly in concert with an ecumenical Council.

He can't just mull something over himself. It has to be done with the full weight of an ecumenical Council.

Right?

Posted by: Feh at October 02, 2015 03:24 PM (SsYt1)

268 the highest rate of abortion is in Russia I thought

Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 03:25 PM (zOTsN)

269 The press finally started mentioning the Judas Family Foundation?

Piss off. It's the "Family of Judas Foundation"

Splitter

Posted by: AltonJackson at October 02, 2015 03:25 PM (ZQfW9)

270
Pope Francis owes Kim Davis an apology.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at October 02, 2015 03:25 PM (iQIUe)

271 By the by, the Vatican is famous for having such efficient men to enforce the will of the Popel

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 02, 2015 03:17 PM (kXoT0)

I know, that's why I referenced them. The institution has been around for almost two millennia; it has weathered good popes, bad popes, anti-popes, multi-popes, and so on. It'll weather this.

It seems that the internet is most efficient at taking a molehill and magnifying it into a mountain.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Turbo-Charge What Agitates You at the Outrage Outlet! at October 02, 2015 03:25 PM (hLRSq)

272 and then John Paul said he had a sense of regret over it? Neither do I

Did this Pope say that or was it some unnamed official who may or may not exist?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk

_____________________

The fact that it's a guessing game to know how the Pope really feels about someone being persecuted for not going along with gay marriage tells you all you really need to know about this Pope.

It would be pretty easy for the Pope to give his flock some clarity by addressing it directly.

There's no confusion where he stands on carbon taxes, but on gay marriage? A thousand different stories coming from the Vatican.

Posted by: Coolio at October 02, 2015 03:25 PM (ugaUI)

273 Vatican = tacky political hacks!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at October 02, 2015 03:26 PM (iQIUe)

274 Second look at Eastern Orthodox for me I think

Posted by: ginaswo at October 02, 2015 02:46 PM

They gotta stand for the whole service.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at October 02, 2015 03:26 PM (vgIRn)

275 What's Barky going to say about Syria? I propose a drinking game- every time he mentions himself, drink

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 02, 2015 03:26 PM (s7Vu4)

276 >>> The Swiss Guard don't need guns, just fancy halberds.

BAH a Lucern Hammer does 2d8

Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at October 02, 2015 03:26 PM (3ZtZW)

277 "My point is -- Popes know they have to chose their words very carefully.

This Pope does not seem to care that he's advocating for an oppressive system of government and economics.

And his defenders say, "Eh, he's just a dude riding around in a fiat talking off the top of his head. No big deal.""

Oh, I agree that Pope Francis does not choose his words carefully. I think were were spoiled by Saint John Paul II and Pope Benedict on that issue. Both were raised dealing with totalitarian regimes and learned that skill quite well. Francis, not so much.

Posted by: Benji Carver at October 02, 2015 03:26 PM (OD2ni)

278 The point for me is the Vatican is ashamed of meeting with kim davis and
promoting the meeting with a gay married couple while talking nonstop
about how the way we live our lives in the US is wrong

If I want a liberation theology Marxist telos king me the way to live Ill go see Jeremiah Wright

If I want a place to feel united in love of Christ I apparently need to look elsewhere

Message received

well said.

Posted by: Mortimer at October 02, 2015 03:26 PM (0dcbp)

279 Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at October 02, 2015 03:21 PM (uz/Pv)

Chique. Billy Graham is more of a Pope than this guy. Finest Human alive today.

Posted by: Golfman at October 02, 2015 03:27 PM (48QDY)

280 the Curia types who stiff-armed the climate realists and prevented them from gaining the ear of the Pope are the real problem

Posted by: Feh at October 02, 2015 03:27 PM (SsYt1)

281 @ 274

Difficult to snooze during the sermon

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at October 02, 2015 03:27 PM (ZZgPW)

282 this is old but the countries with the highest per capita abortion rates

Vietnam

Romania

Cuba

Russia

Belarus

not alot of capitalism there

Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 03:27 PM (zOTsN)

283 lets assume the spokesman who said he regretting meeting Kim Davis misspoke

Let's say the spokesman doesn't exist. Does it change your thinking on the story?

Really not trying to defend here, just trying to make people remember that the main stream media has an objective and lie like Satan. Dunning-Kruger Effect in full force.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 02, 2015 03:28 PM (ODxAs)

284 Welcome! We have awesome baklava! (I keed, I keed)

The bigEastern Orthodox churches in my neck of the woods go all out for their Greek festival. They have the most awesome foods and crafts and music and dancing. They must raise thousands and thousands of dollars a year.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 02, 2015 03:28 PM (cgZPg)

285
Shemp says Obama is going to speak about Syria.
.......................

Poor Syria.

Posted by: wth at October 02, 2015 03:29 PM (wAQA5)

286 Major props to Billy Graham, ditto for Oswald Chambers.

Not hard to imagine how much worse I'd be as a human if it weren't for Christ and these men.

Not giving up the whiskey, though.

The foul mouth, well...

Posted by: Feh at October 02, 2015 03:29 PM (SsYt1)

287 not alot of capitalism there
Posted by: ThunderB

Does that mean free abortions?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 02, 2015 03:29 PM (W5DcG)

288 282 That's no excuse or defense of our system. The question was, how can you support somebody who refers to capitalism as evil? The answer is the evil done to make money from consumers.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at October 02, 2015 03:30 PM (L5HxJ)

289 It would be pretty easy for the Pope to give his flock some clarity by addressing it directly.

There's no confusion where he stands on carbon taxes, but on gay
marriage? A thousand different stories coming from the Vatican.

It adds to the mystique.

And gets him into the good parties.

Posted by: Mortimer at October 02, 2015 03:30 PM (0dcbp)

290 Guy Mohawk I agree the media lies

but i heard this pope with my own lying ears

he is what they say he is

Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 03:30 PM (zOTsN)

291 We complain a lot about the worst political class ever that we're suffering through.

But I fear we're also seeing the worst religious leadership class ever, and it really doesn't matter which denomination we're talking about. I don't mean individual pastors, ministers, or priests, per se, but the church leadership. It seems too many churches want to focus on the love and leftist politics, while ignoring stuff like teaching people about what is sin and how to avoid it. (Or even that they should be actively turning away from sin.) My own church (at least the one I was baptized into) came out with a statement about the legalization of gay marriage which boiled down to: the Church's official policy is tolerance, but we understand that some people aren't on-board with that; so we're leaving it up to the individual priesthood members to decide whether or not they'll perform gay marriages.

Talk about a cop-out response. So I wonder what the World Church will do when some non-compliant priesthood member gets sued? I'm sure they'll be totes supportive, including offering legal counsel and junk.

Just kidding!

Posted by: elaine at October 02, 2015 03:30 PM (Y0Piu)

292 So it's not another speech on gun control?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 02, 2015 03:30 PM (cgZPg)

293 Irony alert: Pope recants his heresy (Catholicism) before the modern Inquisition!

Posted by: Dan at October 02, 2015 03:30 PM (I/amE)

294 Seriously, Clint Eastwood soooo nailed it with the empty chair.

How many minutes has the press spent staring at an empty podium waiting -- always waiting --- for Obama to show up.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2015 03:30 PM (NOIQH)

295 I try to think I'm prompt. Always early. A respect for myself and others.

But Shemp just called out Sir Shankalot. He's two minutes late...

Posted by: Golfman at October 02, 2015 03:31 PM (48QDY)

296 Most abortions occur in developing countries - 35 million annually, compared with seven million in developed countries. A disparity that largely reflects the relative population distribution. Of the 33 countries with relatively complete counts, the numbers of legal abortions were greatest in the Russian Federation and the United States: more than one million each in 2003

from the same 2009 report

Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 03:31 PM (zOTsN)

297 #271 True. It does signal that Pope Francis is not a Large and In Charge kind of guy. He's comfortable lecturing us on climate change, but, sits there and let's Cuban dissidents be mistreated.

I am not Catholic and I am comfortable letting my Catholic brethren decode the Pope with regards to faith on their own. With that said, I do not appreciate his political blatherings and scoldings to the US.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 02, 2015 03:31 PM (kXoT0)

298 The bigEastern Orthodox churches in my neck of the
woods go all out for their Greek festival. They have the most awesome
foods and crafts and music and dancing. They must raise thousands and
thousands of dollars a year.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 02, 2015 03:28 PM

They usually do. Great supplement to the parish budget, most of the time. What is your neck of the woods? Generally speaking. Just wondering if I know anyone around there.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 02, 2015 03:31 PM (KrAjA)

299 Is anybody here Orthodox? How do Roman Catholics join the congregation? Already being baptised in the Trinity and all?

Posted by: Chris Balsz at October 02, 2015 03:31 PM (L5HxJ)

300 he lowest abortion rate in the world is in Western Europe (12 per 1,000 women aged 15-44). The rate is 17 in Northern Europe and 21 in Northern America (Canada and the United States of America). Many of the most dramatic declines in abortion incidence between 1996 and 2003 occurred in Eastern Europe, which includes several countries of the former Soviet Union. These countries had some of the highest abortion rates in 1996, and despite significant declines, they continued to have the highest rates in 2003. The average annual decreases in abortion rate ranged from 4% in Hungary to 12% in Bulgaria, which represent net declines of 26% and 58%, respectively. The declines in this region represent a continuation of a trend that began in the early 1990s.

Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 03:32 PM (zOTsN)

301 So it's not another speech on gun control?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

Syrian style common sense gun regulation.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 02, 2015 03:32 PM (W5DcG)

302 "The big Eastern Orthodox churches in my neck of the woods go all out for their Greek festival. They have the most awesome foods and crafts and music and dancing. They must raise thousands and thousands of dollars a year."

Not sure where you are, but there is an awesome Greek Festival in Annapolis, MD. It is just as you say. Lots of beer and wine too.

Posted by: Benji Carver at October 02, 2015 03:32 PM (OD2ni)

303 Stupid question: Did the Pope meet with all those fine folks Obama lined up for him at the WH?

I recall that the Pope was miffed about the guest list -- but he still attended, right?

Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2015 03:32 PM (NOIQH)

304 So look, send the Pope a book that makes a moral defense of capitalism. Get in his ear.

Hell, I'd pay for (gay) Bjorn Lomborg's flight to Fiumicino if if there were a chance the Pope's handlers would let him in to talk sense about ecology.

Posted by: Feh at October 02, 2015 03:32 PM (SsYt1)

305 osted by: RedMindBlueState at October 02, 2015 03:31 PM (KrAjA)

Somewhere in Northern NJ

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 02, 2015 03:33 PM (cgZPg)

306
Shemp says Obama is going to speak about Syria.
.............................

Let me know if a fly lands on his lip.

Posted by: wth at October 02, 2015 03:33 PM (wAQA5)

307 Let's say the spokesman doesn't exist. Does it change your thinking on the story?

Really not trying to defend here, just trying to make people remember that the main stream media has an objective and lie like Satan. Dunning-Kruger Effect in full force.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk

__________________

But the flip side of that is the Pope can clarify if there's confusion, but doesn't.

Obviously the Vatican is keenly aware that this story is dominating his coverage and they were more upset at the Twitter feeds of Hollywood elite than they were the actual underlying morality issues that were in question.

It's sort of like meeting Kim Davis secretly at all. That act itself speaks volumes, the Vatican later admitted he had done it only when it was discovered.

I don't like Kabuki when it comes to religion.

Posted by: Coolio at October 02, 2015 03:33 PM (ugaUI)

308 "I am not Catholic and I am comfortable letting my Catholic brethren decode the Pope with regards to faith on their own. With that said, I do not appreciate his political blatherings and scoldings to the US."

As a Catholic, your position is very fair.

Posted by: Benji Carver at October 02, 2015 03:33 PM (OD2ni)

309 I think he's declaring a no-fly zone around Russian air operations. Meaning we're grounded.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at October 02, 2015 03:34 PM (L5HxJ)

310 Headline from Drudge: Jeb is up to 4% in the polls. I knew comparing himself to McCain was a brilliant move.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 02, 2015 03:34 PM (XUKZU)

311 Let me know if a fly lands on his lip.
Posted by: wth

Or if a lip lands on his fly.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 02, 2015 03:34 PM (W5DcG)

312 "It seems that the internet is most efficient at taking a molehill and magnifying it into a mountain."

I have an -inator just for that!

Posted by: Heinz Doofenshmirz - Doofenshmirz Evil, Inc. at October 02, 2015 03:34 PM (hLRSq)

313 He's a silly old man that will be gone soon and we will have a new pope. Thankfully, the Catholic Church moves like a glacier.

Yes, but the trajectory is leaning in a direction you probably won't care for.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 02, 2015 03:34 PM (39g3+)

314 Just sayin'.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 03:08 PM (kff5f)

That passage in the NT came to mind for me, as well. If one had to describe the tenor of the Paul's discussion with Peter, I think it would be 'gentle admonishment'.

I always get the feeling when reading of or thinking about St. Peter that he was a very earthy, straightforward sort. His name, after all, translates loosely in English as 'Rocky'--very much unlike St. Paul, who comes across (to me anyway) as very polished, intellectualand articulate--and maybe even a littleintimidating to those around him.

Posted by: troyriser at October 02, 2015 03:34 PM (fnCax)

315 All I know is that I am unburdened by the troubles of Catholic leadership because I know full well that nothing may stand between man and God, and that submission to the Pontiff is in no way a requirement for salvation, whatever Boniface may have said in his heresy.

Salvation from Jesus Christ is the truest freedom there is; it is ironic that man, seeing that God had rent the veil of the Temple covering the Holy of Holies in twain, responded by (metaphorically) setting guards and an ID checkpoint in front of the Temple.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at October 02, 2015 03:35 PM (6JL3d)

316 138,

I'm assuming all the above are a function of him being part of the Latin America branch of the church.

The church down there is extremely lefty to say the least, which likely played a part in why some high ranking officials ended up on the wrong side of the "death squads."

Posted by: Sterling Mallory Archer at October 02, 2015 03:35 PM (tBimT)

317 But redmindbluestste

I don't want you to think that I appreciate the Orthodox church just because of the great eats. I like a lot of the Orthodox thinkers/writers/Saints too. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 02, 2015 03:35 PM (cgZPg)

318 292 FS it will be gun control for Israel.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at October 02, 2015 03:36 PM (MwNIp)

319 310 Headline from Drudge: Jeb is up to 4% in the polls. I knew comparing himself to McCain was a brilliant move.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at October 02, 2015 03:34 PM (XUKZU)

...something about chocolate rations being increased.

Posted by: Golfman at October 02, 2015 03:36 PM (48QDY)

320
O'Butthead in the dock!

Posted by: Doctor Fish at October 02, 2015 03:38 PM (OiFtZ)

321 But the flip side of that is the Pope can clarify if there's confusion, but doesn't <<<<<

How do you know? Would Rueters report it?

He made 2 unscheduled meetings per his request, Kim Davis and the Little Sisters of the Poor under attack from obama. I agree that he needs to find a way to crack down on unnamed sources assuming they exist at all and be more social media adept.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 02, 2015 03:38 PM (ODxAs)

322 Posted by: Kinley Ardal at October 02, 2015 03:35 PM (6JL3d)

And how about those true Christians that showed their faith yesterday? God bless their faith and strength.

Posted by: Golfman at October 02, 2015 03:38 PM (48QDY)

323 Afflicting the comfortable is part of the job description for a Pope.

It shouldn't be surprising when the comfortable don't like being afflicted. By any definition, every person living in this country is "the comfortable" compared with the rest of the world.

Saint Pope JP II wasn't easy on the sins of capitalism, either. People seem to forget that just as easily as they forget certain realities about Ronald Reagan. Nostalgia and ideology combine to make us hazy on the details when it suits our purpose to lambaste current Popes, and current Republican candidates.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at October 02, 2015 03:39 PM (ljZD2)

324 "nothing may stand between man and God"

I heard a pretty good theologian once say, "We're pretty sure we know where God is. What we're not sure about is where he isn't."

Posted by: Feh at October 02, 2015 03:39 PM (SsYt1)

325 Arne Duncan out as Sec. of Education. Shucks, he was doing such a bang up job. /sarc off

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 02, 2015 03:39 PM (kXoT0)

326 307 I thought that crap with the girl and her letter was pathetic.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at October 02, 2015 03:39 PM (L5HxJ)

327 Apparently in his talk, President Obama mentioned himself a lot, never condemned the actual shooter, claimed we "allow" these things by not having the political will to ban guns or something, and didn't bother mentioning the kilings in Chicago. Black lives, evidently, don't matter.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 02, 2015 03:39 PM (39g3+)

328
After performing so magnificently at Department of Education, Duncan leaves the cabinet after bullshitting and lying for six years.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at October 02, 2015 03:39 PM (OiFtZ)

329 "Yes, but the trajectory is leaning in a direction you probably won't care for."

Perhaps, but the Church has seen some dark days in the past 2000 years. All the more reason to stay in and fight.

St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle....

Posted by: Benji Carver at October 02, 2015 03:39 PM (OD2ni)

330 "I have an -inator just for that!"

Just watch out for Perry the Platypus.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at October 02, 2015 03:41 PM (ljZD2)

331 St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle....

Amen.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 02, 2015 03:41 PM (cgZPg)

332 How do you know? Would Rueters report it?

He made 2 unscheduled meetings per his request, Kim Davis and the Little Sisters of the Poor under attack from obama. I agree that he needs to find a way to crack down on unnamed sources assuming they exist at all and be more social media adept.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk

C'mon, do you really think if the Pope put out an official statement regarding his visit with Kim Davis it wouldn't be reported?

I mistrust the media as much as the next guy, this story may have more to it, but I'm done with the idea that this Pope is always being taken out of context. I think the Pope's desired context comes through loud and clear.

Posted by: Coolio at October 02, 2015 03:41 PM (ugaUI)

333 BTW - An Argentinian showing a shaky understanding of markets and economics is not exactly unusual.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pumpkin Flavored Tempests are in Our Teapots at the Outrage Outlet! at October 02, 2015 03:42 PM (hLRSq)

334 "Just watch out for Perry the Platypus."

My mountain! it's been reduced to a molehill! with *OUCH* a very angry mole!

Curse you Perry the Platypus!

Posted by: Heinz Doofenshmirz - Doofenshmirz Evil, Inc. at October 02, 2015 03:43 PM (hLRSq)

335 307 I thought that crap with the girl and her letter was pathetic.
Posted by: Chris Balsz at October 02, 2015 03:39 PM (L5HxJ)

It was. It stank from the beginning and no one was surprised to find out it was all carefully orchestrated.

He could've stood very tall had he reached out to the Cuban dissidents who were struggling to touch his garment and show the world their plight. It's easy to scold the US about illegal immigration being some kind of right, but, rather tricky to tell the Castro Du Jour that they are being a meanypants.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 02, 2015 03:43 PM (kXoT0)

336
And how about those true Christians that showed their faith yesterday? God bless their faith and strength.

Posted by: Golfman at October 02, 2015 03:38 PM (48QDY)

It is my fervent hope that, when the day comes, I will do as they did and let all the world know to Whom, exactly, I belong, in the face of whatever violence is pointed my way.

To die a martyr for Christ... we grieve for their families, but know without a shadow of doubt that the Lord, boundlessly generous as he is, will not fail to reward those faithful and the people around them many times over for abiding by His name.

If you gotta go, man... that is indeed the way to go. I pray that I'll have their courage when the day comes, and I do believe it is coming.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at October 02, 2015 03:44 PM (6JL3d)

337 Somewhere in Northern NJ

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 02, 2015 03:33 PM

Ah. Reminds me of an old story about Cherry Hill and a slightly absent-minded metropolitan. A good friend of mine is a seminary grad. It's much funnier when he tells it.

I don't want you to think that I appreciate the
Orthodox church just because of the great eats. I like a lot of the
Orthodox thinkers/writers/Saints too. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 02, 2015 03:35 PM

Didn't think so. Heck, I'm Orthodox and I had to throw in the baklava line. It's practically obligatory. Among Greeks, anyway. ;-)

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 02, 2015 03:44 PM (KrAjA)

338 never know what the back channel was

it could've been: "you meet with dissidents, and as soon as you leave, they die"

it would be interesting to know what was said

Posted by: Feh at October 02, 2015 03:46 PM (SsYt1)

339 The frustrating thing for me is that the Pope is an internationally recognized Christian figure who had a golden opportunity to speak about morality and truth to a culture that is increasingly false and immoral. Instead of dealing with the most obvious, alarming, and destructive immorality of the day such as adultery, pornography, abortion, cronyism stealing from the poor, stealing land and property by illegal immigrants, drug crimes, or even just a lack of respect for authority and elders... he goes off on these boilerplate leftist issues.

Really? Capital punishment? When 4000 babies are put to death every day across the USA? You're worried about one guy who has been convicted of heinous crimes? Global warming, in a country where you can lose your job for disagreeing with homosexual marriage? That's your priority?

The man has no authority over me and as a protestant I recognize his theology is a mess, but he had a chance and blew it. Blew it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 02, 2015 03:46 PM (39g3+)

340 "I pray that I'll have their courage when the day comes, and I do believe it is coming."

I find it hard to believe Christ would pat me on the back if a shooter was killing innocent people around me, and I had a gun and did nothing. Sorry, but if someone comes after you, Kinley, and I'm in a position to stop it, I will try.

It would help if I carried, and if more of us did.

Posted by: Feh at October 02, 2015 03:49 PM (SsYt1)

341 A friend of mine says "young people who go in for social justice or social gospel will be liberals, simpliciter, in one generation."

Posted by: Feh at October 02, 2015 03:52 PM (SsYt1)

342 Really? Capital punishment? When 4000 babies are put to death every day across the USA? You're worried about one guy who has been convicted of heinous crimes? Global warming, in a country where you can lose your job for disagreeing with homosexual marriage? That's your priority?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 02, 2015 03:46 PM (39g3+)

That's the biggie for me. Don't lecture me about the morality of the state putting a vile heinous criminal to death when the state not only allows abortions but pays for them and then allows the baby parts to be sold. No aborted baby is anything but innocent and not one of them gets due process in any form or fashion.

If the funding for PP has to continue because WOMYN'S HEALTH, then write a law stating that all fetal tissue must immediately be destroyed in large on site furnaces. This hideous profiteering in baby bits must stop.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 02, 2015 03:52 PM (kXoT0)

343 Saint Pope JP II wasn't easy on the sins of capitalism, either. People seem to forget that

Sure, and while there are things to criticize, or at least warn about, in capitalism, he went a bit further, condemning it in general. But this guy seems to have a bit more of a fixation on it. Previous popes had other things on their list of concerns, this guy seems to have capitalism up in the top five.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 02, 2015 03:53 PM (39g3+)

344 339.

Exactly. But being opposed to Capital Punishment is cool and hip, so that's where the focus will be with this new Pope.

More people die in French prisons from suicide than from capital punishment in America, but it's all the Catholic Church can talk about, despite the fact there is absolutely nothing in the Bible that condemns capital punishment.

In fact, it actually commands capital punishment for murder.

Posted by: Coolio at October 02, 2015 03:55 PM (ugaUI)

345 O/T

Obama is speaking. He is Eddy Murphy in Trading Spaces. He has no idea how he got here, but is enjoying the "joke" that put him in charge. In the words of Pope Francis. " Pray for us".

Posted by: Chillin the mist at October 02, 2015 03:56 PM (2bheT)

346 I just would have loved the pope to say to the overwhelmingly Roman Catholic Hispanic community in the USA:

"you cannot take what you have not earned, and you ought not simply come in and squat on other people's land without asking. If I came into your home and simply moved in with my family, would that be okay, just because its nicer than mine? Show respect for the homes of people you are entering. Show respect for the law of a nation you wish to join. Beg forgiveness and stop this sin."

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 02, 2015 03:56 PM (39g3+)

347 I find it hard to believe Christ would pat me on the back if a
shooter was killing innocent people around me, and I had a gun and did
nothing. Sorry, but if someone comes after you, Kinley, and I'm in a
position to stop it, I will try.

It would help if I carried, and if more of us did.

Posted by: Feh at October 02, 2015 03:49 PM (SsYt1)

I do not disagree; I merely mean that, if I am disarmed and bound, I want to die with courage for Christ.

Just a little quirk of mine; been wondering my whole life if I'll go down with a smile on my face and a song in my heart.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at October 02, 2015 03:57 PM (6JL3d)

348 there is absolutely nothing in the Bible that condemns capital punishment.

In fact, it actually commands capital punishment for murder.

The government is given the sword to punish evil, according to the Bible. You don't spank people with a sword. The Bible teaches that government has only two jobs: encourage righteousness and punish evil. If its doing something other than that, its doing too much.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 02, 2015 03:58 PM (39g3+)

349 Is anybody here Orthodox? How do Roman Catholics join the congregation? Already being baptised in the Trinity and all?

Posted by: Chris Balsz at October 02, 2015 03:31 PM

Not a theologian, nor do I play one on TV, but as far as I know, those who have already been baptised in the name of the Trinity (say, for example, my former priest who is himself a RC convert), are chrismated after what I suppose you'd call a catechetical period of learning about the faith. Other than that, come on down. Our doors are open. And that's totally not true about us standing all the time. We kneel, too. :-P (kidding, most churches have pews these days)

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 02, 2015 04:00 PM (KrAjA)

350 Ace, the Pope has had a number of odd things happened. Gaffes if you would, that are walked back - or not, or merely despised because of the impression they give to those that are watching...

I especially love the one where Evo Morales of Bolivia gave Francis the crucifix made out of a hammer and a sickle

http://preview.tinyurl.com/popegaffes

Posted by: Kindltot at October 02, 2015 04:05 PM (3pRHP)

351 I'm disgusted. The pope should not have regrets for behaving like a good Christian. Regardless of her place in the world Kim Davis was as worthy of support and comfort as any downtrodden ostracized individual. She's a human being and Christians should love their neighbor.

Since when is the pope supposed to take lessons on Christianity from the press? DISGUSTING.

Posted by: BSR at October 02, 2015 04:26 PM (JQG3D)

352 If you are RC and you want join the Eastern Orthodox church, you just have to learn to do the sign-of-the-cross right shoulder before left shoulder.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at October 02, 2015 04:36 PM (1ijHg)

353 Pope Chauncy Gardiner SQUANDERED his opportunity to preach to the American people about Christianity.

He has been tuned out.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at October 02, 2015 04:39 PM (1ijHg)

354 I know I am stating the obvious but... the pope is not only a Marxist but also a moral coward.

Posted by: redbanzai at October 02, 2015 06:02 PM (NPofj)

355 You know, Jesus spent half the bible meeting with people everyone else hated...

Posted by: Lea at October 02, 2015 03:01 PM (lIU4e)

Jesus said "They that are in health have no need for a physician; but they that are sick. I am not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance."

I will bet you a million zillion dollars that Francis did not meet with te gheys to get them to turn away from sin.

Posted by: redbanzai at October 02, 2015 07:49 PM (NPofj)

356 If only the pope served God half as well as he serves the Caesars of the world. He doesn't seem to understand exactly what his job entails, and he doesn't do it very well. In many ways, this is Obama's story... Because of Francis, I consider myself a recovering Catholic. He's a disaster. Read the bible but don't listen to Francis. He doesn't get it right.

Posted by: MacGuffin at October 02, 2015 09:05 PM (8ooBl)

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