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So what "common sense gun control laws" would have prevented this, apart from an outright ban?Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: TommyTee at October 02, 2015 01:31 PM (zFXwQ)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 01:32 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Paladin at October 02, 2015 01:32 PM (WujO7)
Posted by: The Three Stooges at October 02, 2015 01:32 PM (c7vUv)
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 01:33 PM (AkOaV)
Progressive gun control:
Line up against the wall all the conservatives, libertarians and anyone who resists state totalitarianism and aim very carefully as you mow them all down. Good control!
Posted by: zombie at October 02, 2015 01:33 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 02, 2015 01:34 PM (LUgeY)
Posted by: Modern Man at October 02, 2015 01:34 PM (1DH1V)
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at October 02, 2015 01:34 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 02, 2015 01:34 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Matticus at October 02, 2015 01:34 PM (p/5D/)
Posted by: Roy at October 02, 2015 01:34 PM (VndSC)
Posted by: Branco Bama at October 02, 2015 01:34 PM (cgZPg)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 02, 2015 01:34 PM (Dsvnk)
Posted by: Chicago at October 02, 2015 01:34 PM (0dcbp)
Posted by: oneisnotprime at October 02, 2015 01:35 PM (K4nbH)
Might I again suggest banning the Confederate Flag?
Posted by: Mitt "Severely Conservative" Romney
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 02, 2015 01:35 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: TommyTee
Serious question:
In my recent memory, the Supreme Court in the last decade has handed down at least two (if not more) major rulings saying that the Second Amendment prevents any attempts at truly outlawing guns.
Am I correct in my memory?
Is all this leftist blather just a bunch of hot air for no purpose? Any major gun-grabbing attempt will be struck down -- amiright?
Posted by: zombie at October 02, 2015 01:35 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: Jane D'oh
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Mothers would have to shut down over half of the internet, to do something like that.
Posted by: Roy at October 02, 2015 01:35 PM (VndSC)
for that very reason. Hesaid, "[The gunman] probably knew that the
facility was a gun free facility, [which is] an easy target for these kinds of coward individuals. They know they're not going to get any
response unless they happen to run into security or a campus police officer."
Sprinkle this liberally around the Web.
Posted by: Mortimer at October 02, 2015 01:35 PM (0dcbp)
Posted by: Bandersnatch
TIMMEH!
Posted by: TIMMEH at October 02, 2015 01:36 PM (JmGFJ)
Posted by: Kindltot at October 02, 2015 01:36 PM (3pRHP)
I've heard the proposal that in order to purchase a gun, you need at least 1 or 2 other people to vouch that you are not a psycho. I think it's an interesting suggestion.
Posted by: oneisnotprime at October 02, 2015 01:35 PM (K4nbH)
Modern man thinks you are retarded and your shit's all f'ed up.
Posted by: Modern Man at October 02, 2015 01:36 PM (1DH1V)
Line up all the socialists and communists. And shoot them.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 02, 2015 01:36 PM (Kr0Gx)
Must carry. All able-bodied adults would be required to go armed.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 02, 2015 01:36 PM (IN7k+)
Posted by: Roy at October 02, 2015 01:34 PM (VndSC)
Yes they would.
Assuming they make it to age 21 without a felony conviction, which is a little difficult in the gang life.
But if they do -- fine by me.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 01:36 PM (AkOaV)
Unless your friends are psychos, which more than one of mine are.
At least I know I could count on them to vouch for me.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 02, 2015 01:36 PM (LUgeY)
Posted by: Barack Obama at October 02, 2015 01:37 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: zombie at October 02, 2015 01:35 PM (jBuUi)
You are right unless they tax them all to hell.
Posted by: just saying at October 02, 2015 01:37 PM (g0hKk)
No mentally ill person may have a gun.*
*NOTE: "Mentally ill" is defined as "people we find icky."
Posted by: The Left at October 02, 2015 01:37 PM (RD7QR)
People point to drugs or lax insanity laws, but I wonder if all these young guy shooters aren't more influenced by a culture that simultaneously suppresses many forms of free expression in the name of "fairness" and "political correctness" while blocking any way of someone facing hardship or failure. Coddling people while hushing them any time they act up, how can that not bottle up problems?
Some of them freak out when they see a mouse. Some of them grab a gun.
"Gun Free" zones are actually "disarmed target" zones.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 02, 2015 01:37 PM (39g3+)
Is all this leftist blather just a bunch of hot air for no purpose? Any major gun-grabbing attempt will be struck down -- amiright?
Posted by: zombie at October 02, 2015 01:35 PM (jBuUi)
Well "settled law' and "its the law of the land" is a one way street.
So no, the left will never stop advocating for gun confiscation.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 01:37 PM (AkOaV)
The next push will be for doctor's certification before you can get a gun.
Just like how I had to have approval before I could put my kid in daycare.
Then they'll make the list of exclusions so big that basically no one can get certification (even if you can find a doctor who isn't scared shitless to sign it in the first place.)
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at October 02, 2015 01:38 PM (tM4uk)
air for no purpose? Any major gun-grabbing attempt will be struck down
-- amiright?
Posted by: zombie
Sounds like Barry will spend his last days in office tilting at windmills and playing failure theater like the GOP.
"I fought so hard...*sniff*."
Posted by: Mortimer at October 02, 2015 01:38 PM (0dcbp)
Posted by: TommyTee at October 02, 2015 01:31 PM (zFXwQ)
FDR confiscated gold by executive order. If it happens, that will be how.
And millions of Americans will line up and dutifully turn in their guns.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 02, 2015 01:38 PM (88fBD)
Posted by: Jane D'oh
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Dare i say that she should be held accountable in some way?
Posted by: Chi at October 02, 2015 01:38 PM (K0XdU)
And the unarmed security guard? Where was he, hiding under his desk?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 02, 2015 01:38 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: setnaffa at October 02, 2015 01:38 PM (BtRXi)
Posted by: Liberals Everywhere at October 02, 2015 01:38 PM (1eYr7)
I've also seen reports of neighbors in Torrance, CA who claimed to have seen mom and son walking to their apartment with boxes of weapons. And as others have noted, that his mother was uber protective of him trying to keep him away from things like cockroaches, loud kids and barking dogs which "upset" him.
This guy sounds like he was a few sandwiches short of a picnic any mom sounds like an enabler.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 02, 2015 01:38 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 02, 2015 01:38 PM (Dsvnk)
Unless your friends are psychos, which more than one of mine are.
At least I know I could count on them to vouch for me.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 02, 2015 01:36 PM (LUgeY)
Yeah, that's a dumb idea.
I certainly wouldn't trust MY friends with any character vouching.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 01:38 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 02, 2015 01:39 PM (Dsvnk)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 02, 2015 01:39 PM (VPLuQ)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 02, 2015 01:39 PM (Kr0Gx)
Joining the roll call of such Humanitarian Luminaries as Lenin, Stalin, Tung, Pot, and Hitler, Obama calls for the disarming of the American People. I mean, what's the worst that could happen?
Posted by: JB1000 at October 02, 2015 01:39 PM (16OL0)
And when all doctors are employees of the federal government under a single payer system...
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 02, 2015 01:39 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at October 02, 2015 01:39 PM (YEelc)
Posted by: zombie at October 02, 2015 01:35 PM (jBuUi)
____________
Today, yes.
In a year or two or 5 when SCOTUS looks different....who knows?
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 02, 2015 01:39 PM (0LHZx)
Somehow, an FBI agent was interviewed on the CBC and he mentioned how the United States would never be rid of all of their weapons. He said that 'no gun zones' like this campus were unrealistic and allowing qualified people to carry guns was a good idea.
I'm stating his argument more forcefully then he actually phrased it, but the gist was the same and I was surprised to hear this on the CBC and expected someone to be fired for not properly checking out the guests.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at October 02, 2015 01:40 PM (AC0lD)
things like cockroaches, loud kids and barking dogs which "upset" him.
huh
Posted by: Norman Bates at October 02, 2015 01:40 PM (0dcbp)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 02, 2015 01:39 PM (VPLuQ)
++++
It's the title of a wee, diminutive pansy-ass. So, no caps.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 02, 2015 01:40 PM (IN7k+)
And millions of Americans will line up and dutifully turn in their guns.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk
Yeah, but there is nothing in the Bill of Rights protecting the ownership of gold. But there IS something in the Bill of Rights which plainly states, and which the Supreme Court has repeatedly confirmed, which protects the ownership of "arms."
I don't think anyone is gonna line up.
Many many county sheriffs departments have been holding "turn in your guns for free!" days, so by this point everybody who wanted to get rid of their guns has already done so.
Posted by: zombie at October 02, 2015 01:41 PM (jBuUi)
I saw on CNN last night a guy pointing out that tough gun laws don't make that big of difference, if there are looser gun laws nearby (in neighboring states, etc.). I think he's got a point, but he's essentially talking about the federal government deciding what uniform gun policy everybody is going to follow, and it has to do with decreasing the availability of guns.
Posted by: Axeman at October 02, 2015 01:41 PM (2mC6G)
Posted by: Lady in Black.....sigh at October 02, 2015 01:41 PM (pVkEV)
I don't know if it's changed, but 15ish years ago in MA you needed two personal recommendations to get a Pistol Permit.
Obviously not foolproof given that we all have friends, but I didn't mind having to get people to say "not really psycho".
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at October 02, 2015 01:41 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: the hungry, hungry barrel at October 02, 2015 01:41 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Buzzion at October 02, 2015 01:42 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: Branco Bama at October 02, 2015 01:42 PM (cgZPg)
No mentally ill person may have a gun.*
*NOTE: "Mentally ill" is defined as "people we find icky."
Posted by: The Left at October 02, 2015 01:37 PM (RD7QR)
___________
Law 1: Insane people can't have guns
Law 2: Anyone who wants a gun is deemed to be insane
You don't need a law explicitly banning guns. Just the two laws above.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 02, 2015 01:42 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Dave, home for a few at October 02, 2015 01:42 PM (+MGZR)
The Modern Man does not question what liberals say is "common sense."
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at October 02, 2015 01:42 PM (eytER)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 02, 2015 01:42 PM (W5DcG)
As long as they are grading on a curve I should be good to go.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 02, 2015 01:42 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: zombie at October 02, 2015 01:41 PM (jBuUi)
I lived in CT when they passed the "assault rifle registration law."
I said "no way anyone goes to register their guns. C'mon."
Lines around the fucking block.
Of people to register their guns.
Like idiots.
I will say though, that state police think only 10-25% of people did though (they have no idea, obviously). But they didn't push the issue at all.
If it was a federal thing, I think they'd push it.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 01:42 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at October 02, 2015 01:43 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Fenelon Spoke at October 02, 2015 01:43 PM (cgZPg)
Posted by: zombie at October 02, 2015 01:35 PM (jBuUi)
____________
Today, yes.
In a year or two or 5 when SCOTUS looks different....who knows?
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 02, 2015 01:39 PM (0LHZx)
Scalia is a short, hefty guy in his 60s and Alito is approaching his 70s. It's a thing to be feared if Slow Joe or Scankles win (and one of them certainly will).
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at October 02, 2015 01:43 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at October 02, 2015 01:43 PM (vgIRn)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 02, 2015 01:42 PM (W5DcG)
EO, and you were supposed to turn it in at banks for Greenbacks.
They didn't go house to house, there were certainly people who hid their gold. But it was no longer usable as currency, thats for sure.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 01:44 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 02, 2015 01:44 PM (rwI+c)
The Craze-Inator lets the gun know if the guy holding it is crazy. If it says crazy, then the gun won't shoot.*
*Inators are a registered tradename of Doofenshmirz Evil, Inc.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Turbo-Charge What Agitates You at the Outrage Outlet! at October 02, 2015 01:44 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Buzzion
I'm gonna go get a ten dollar tattoo at the gun shop.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 02, 2015 01:44 PM (W5DcG)
To be described as heroic without the quotes, he would need to build a clock.
Posted by: jwest at October 02, 2015 01:44 PM (Zs4uk)
Stupid, yes. Pointless, no. Drawing attention to the absurdity and schoolgirl emoting done by our Low Information President is necessary.
Posted by: Furious George at October 02, 2015 01:44 PM (UlJ3l)
Kind of like Catch-22, but reversed.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 01:44 PM (AkOaV)
Of course they are, bless their hearts.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 02, 2015 01:44 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: GBruno at October 02, 2015 01:45 PM (u49WF)
Ask them if they favor that for other Constitutional rights such as say voting. I know more than a couple lefties who would never be voting again.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 02, 2015 01:45 PM (/tuJf)
That's odd.
My gun owning friends, not on FB are advocating psychological testing for potential hippies.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 02, 2015 01:45 PM (VPLuQ)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr.
Well first, the banks simply held on to any gold coins which were deposited, and send them to the Fed to be melted down. Second, the Feds stopped minting any new gold coinage. So after a short time there simply were no more gold coins in circulation. And the ones that were quickly acquired more numismatic value, and so were taken out of circulation by collectors. Easy peasy.
Posted by: zombie at October 02, 2015 01:45 PM (jBuUi)
Cool.
So I happen to know someone just diagnosed with general anxiety disorder.
Fairly mild, mostly triggered by stress.
Should they not be allowed to buy a gun?
If you set the bar there considering the diagnosis rate for GAD gun ownership would be 0.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at October 02, 2015 01:45 PM (tM4uk)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 02, 2015 01:45 PM (Dsvnk)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 02, 2015 01:39 PM (VPLuQ)
Modern Man insists.
Posted by: blaster at October 02, 2015 01:46 PM (2Ocf1)
Posted by: General Zod at October 02, 2015 01:46 PM (Bdeb0)
And that doctor would have had a legal responsibility to get his name on the list of Non-Gun-Buyers. Like Mass., and VT. This is getting old. Professionals want more and more power, but do not carry out their legal responsibilities. Coward-Plivens.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 02, 2015 01:46 PM (xq1UY)
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at October 02, 2015 01:46 PM (JtwS4)
Will it be recorded as a hate/bias crime on the official registry the FBI maintains?
Will there, even for a moment, be reflection that we constantly worry about the possibility that Muslims will be the victim of such crimes (and so censor coverage of Muslim atrocities), but never point out the incendiary anti-Christian rhetoric pouring out of the 'tolerance' crowd?
I have certain doubts.
Posted by: Marashir at October 02, 2015 01:47 PM (sFu4P)
J/K
Posted by: Fenelon Spoke at October 02, 2015 01:47 PM (cgZPg)
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 02, 2015 01:47 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: rd at October 02, 2015 01:47 PM (SukjU)
I'd settle for identification tests for potential voters.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 02, 2015 01:47 PM (VPLuQ)
Posted by: General Zod at October 02, 2015 01:47 PM (Bdeb0)
And, correct me if I'm wrong, didn't someone shoot back at that event?
Posted by: Lauren at October 02, 2015 01:48 PM (yJUoa)
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Maybe, maybe not. Connecticut's recent gun registration law had an extremely low compliance rate.
Posted by: junior at October 02, 2015 01:48 PM (PVi+Q)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 02, 2015 01:48 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 02, 2015 01:42 PM (W5DcG)
He held a bank holiday and shut down all the banks
He then re-opened healthy banks and most of the Democrat banks turned out to be healthy somehow.
He stated that banks could be shut down at will if they seemed to be playing funny games
He instituted massive fines for the personal ownership of Gold and demanded it be turned in
He then made the banks seal all safety deposit boxes and allowed access only if inspected and certified, and the banks went along because they didn't want to be shut down for bad action\
The Treasury agents then started searching and prosecuting "gold hoarders"
It is more complex, but that was the bones.
Posted by: Kindltot at October 02, 2015 01:48 PM (3pRHP)
That's why it's important to not give in even an inch to the leftist scum.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 02, 2015 01:49 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 02, 2015 01:49 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: zombie at October 02, 2015 01:35 PM (jBuUi)
And a Farmer who is raising chicken feed to feed his own chickens, is somehow involved in INTERSTATE Commerce...
And ObamaCare? its a Tax that is not a Tax...
And the State has the right to seize your property through eminent domain and give it to someone else to use... because they 'may' pay more taxes.
Oh... and Money is Speech... but only sometimes...
And women have a right to privacy in their own bodies, to kill their unborn children... but we do not have a right to privacy in our bank accounts, or emails, if housed in some companies database.
Do not expect a Court, appointed BY the Federal Government, to protect you FROM the Federal Government.
Posted by: BB Wolf at October 02, 2015 01:49 PM (qh617)
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And then all they have to do is make it discretionary for the doctor. And then use the certification process to argue that no doctor who is okay with guns is quite the doctor that a doctor who hates guns are because guns cause loss of human life, and if you don't care about that, you're not a very good doctor.
Plus, they could imply that doctors who's discretion leads them to sign permits might be in need of more reviews, oversight, because they're not at the top of their class--because they don't get the gun questions "right".
In short, do everything to discourage doctors from approving people with guns. The no-gunners would be free to sign as many certificates as they want: 0. Meanwhile, the next public shooting would have the doctor being "responsible" for his choice.
I can *definitely* see that happening.
Posted by: Axeman at October 02, 2015 01:49 PM (2mC6G)
Do we agree that Modern Man is a Title, and should be capitalized when used in a sentence?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 02, 2015 01:39 PM (VPLuQ)
Modern Man insists.
Posted by: blaster at October 02, 2015 01:46 PM (2Ocf1)
Modern Man will scratch your eyes right out if you don't.
Posted by: Modern Man at October 02, 2015 01:49 PM (1DH1V)
Posted by: Lauren at October 02, 2015 01:50 PM (yJUoa)
Posted by: blaster at October 02, 2015 01:46 PM (2Ocf1)
Au contraire, Modern Man politely "suggests".
Posted by: Hrothgar at October 02, 2015 01:50 PM (ftVQq)
They're just trying to go about it from other angles, such as making it difficult to get ammo (via proposing high taxes) or outlawing high capacity magazines, etc.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2015 01:50 PM (NOIQH)
for no purpose? Any major gun-grabbing attempt will be struck down --
amiright?
Posted by: zombie at October 02, 2015 01:35 PM
Only until the next democrat gets a SC nomination, at which point settled law will be settled in the other direction. Permanently.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 02, 2015 01:50 PM (KrAjA)
Posted by: Mark in Portland at October 02, 2015 01:50 PM (x154c)
Yes, the people say. All the people who were shot were unarmed. If there had been more guns in that room fewer people would have been shot.
In the progressive alternate universe, more guns in the room equates to the train car scene in Predators II where everyone dies because they have guns. Just forget the alien Predator is apparently armored against small arms fire because it's a movie and the movie would be over if it went the other way.
Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at October 02, 2015 01:50 PM (1Y0X+)
Posted by: Fritz at October 02, 2015 01:50 PM (UzPAd)
Executive order banning guns in 3, 2, 1...
Posted by: TommyTee at October 02, 2015 01:31 PM (zFXwQ)
I seriously thought Barry was going to outright demand confiscation yesterday. I was just waiting for it.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 02, 2015 01:50 PM (4ErVI)
Posted by: Lauren at October 02, 2015 01:48 PM (yJUoa)
Nah, but a stoner with a pistol permit and a few other bystanders tackled the shooter within seconds of him opening fire.
The kid went on CNN or something and they were asking about what happened and he was like "yeah man I was just smoking a cigarette and I heard gun shots and I went to pull my gun" -- and CNN was like WHOAAA GUN!!!! ??? "and then I saw other people swarming him, so I ran in and tackled him and we held him down. I did not need to pull my gun."
Then CNN and the rest of the media made sure that guy never got interviewed anywhere again
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 01:51 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: rebel flounder at October 02, 2015 01:51 PM (1DH1V)
There are probably some great guidebooks floating around that deal with how government officials should diagnose mental illness, but they'd probably have to be translated from Russian.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 02, 2015 01:51 PM (8ZskC)
Hit with a chair, and wrestled to the ground by several people, including a 70ish retired Officer.
Armed CC holder arrived, but did not draw as dumbass was already subdued before his arrival.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 02, 2015 01:51 PM (VPLuQ)
there have always been crazy people
crazy people, actually insane people, tried to kill Queen Victoria seven times, 7 times
you will always have crazy people. What do you do with them.
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 01:51 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: NotCoach at October 02, 2015 01:52 PM (rsudF)
Don't forget using the EPA to ban those evil, gaia raping lead bullets.
Posted by: Lauren at October 02, 2015 01:52 PM (yJUoa)
"Nothing we're going to do is going to fundamentally alter or eliminate the possibility of another mass shooting or guarantee that we will bring gun deaths down to a thousand a year from what we're at now," Biden told reporters after meeting with Senate Democrats in the Capitol. "But there are things that we can do demonstrably can do that have virtually zero impact on your Second Amendment right to own a weapon for both self defense and recreation that can save some lives."
As a staffer tried unsuccessfully to cut Biden off repeatedly, the vice president argued to reporters that none of the proposals would infringe on constitutional rights.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTyoppK_aDM
Posted by: Earl Butz at October 02, 2015 01:52 PM (e8kgV)
http://abcnews.go.com/US/son-omaha-detective-shoots-school-officials-kills/story?id=12549391
Posted by: Multitude at October 02, 2015 01:52 PM (c7WnJ)
Yeah, but there is nothing in the Bill of Rights protecting the ownership of gold. But there IS something in the Bill of Rights which plainly states, and which the Supreme Court has repeatedly confirmed, which protects the ownership of "arms."
Posted by: zombie
Yeah, about that....
Posted by: WWII Japanese Internees
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 02, 2015 01:52 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: donna at October 02, 2015 01:52 PM (hUdMz)
Lately, we seem to elect them to public office.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 02, 2015 01:52 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: DaveA at October 02, 2015 01:52 PM (DL2i+)
Or restrict Eighth Amendment protections against cruel and unusual punishment to permit holders who pass a background test.
Posted by: Furious George at October 02, 2015 01:52 PM (UlJ3l)
Also, guns are icky killing machines and anyone who wants to own one is obviously mentally ill.
Posted by: The Left at October 02, 2015 01:53 PM (2jQGY)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 02, 2015 01:39 PM (VPLuQ)
Modern Man insists.
Posted by: blaster at October 02, 2015 01:46 PM (2Ocf1)
I would say modern man could blow me...
But that would make me a modern man...
Posted by: BB Wolf at October 02, 2015 01:53 PM (qh617)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 02, 2015 01:53 PM (FsuaD)
A couple of very simple laws would have prevented this.
(1) Anyone in the state of Oregon may carry a handgun, openly or concealed, for the purposes of self defense or the defense of others, in any place at any time.
(2) Private individuals and any institution that openly advertise any premises as a "gun free zone" shall be criminally and civilly liable when any crime against a person is committed on the premises.
Done.
I was tempted to put an "anyone who can demonstrate practical proficiency and safe, competent handling of a handgun" clause in Paragraph (1) but thought better of it. Some idiot will attempt to define "practical proficiency" as "half-inch group at 2000 yards, single-handed, free-hand, at night, in 50 MPH winds".
Posted by: Lickmuffin at October 02, 2015 01:53 PM (8Sufu)
I believe it was wheat and cows, but doesn't really make a difference.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 01:53 PM (AkOaV)
They didn't call me the Duke of Duck for nothing.
Posted by: Prince Albert in a Can at October 02, 2015 01:53 PM (8ZskC)
It is not 'gun control' any more. It is 'gun safety', and 'common sense gun safety'; who could be against that? Only the crazies.
Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at October 02, 2015 01:54 PM (1Y0X+)
Guess who's gonna end up doin' the farm work in that scenario .
Posted by: awkward davies at October 02, 2015 01:54 PM (mP1RE)
We could burn Chicago down again. That would probably cut that in half.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 02, 2015 01:54 PM (rwI+c)
No, I think we should ignore the idiotic term and just call it "metrosexual" like it always was. Why let the left define the terms? Why use their language?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 02, 2015 01:54 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Lauren at October 02, 2015 01:55 PM (yJUoa)
Of course, if you outlaw killing people, only outlaws will kill people.
Posted by: blaster at October 02, 2015 01:55 PM (2Ocf1)
Posted by: Axeman at October 02, 2015 01:49 PM
Yep, exactly.
Considering how much control over doctors Obamacare has given the government, getting a doctor involved is no different than granting the federal govt. control of granting gun ownership.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2015 01:55 PM (NOIQH)
hello? Jim Crow and literacy tests?
throw that in your hippy friends faces.
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 01:55 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Hank at October 02, 2015 01:55 PM (JyDJn)
Posted by: TommyTee at October 02, 2015 01:31 PM (zFXwQ)
I believe, among all the other differences that exist between the left and everyone else in this country, this is the one that is most likely to result in the revolution starting.
I wish I could say I know how it would turn out, because compliance is likely to be the response by many, including law enforcement personnel.
We'll see. Gun bans are coming. I am as sure of that as I am that winter is coming.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 02, 2015 01:56 PM (TOk1P)
104 Modern Man insists.
Posted by: blaster at October 02, 2015 01:46 PM (2Ocf1)
Au contraire, Modern Man politely "suggests".
Posted by: Hrothgar at October 02, 2015 01:50 PM (ftVQq)
Unless its Hissy Fit time...
Posted by: BB Wolf at October 02, 2015 01:56 PM (qh617)
What they'll continue to do is exploit these horrific slaughters, nibbling away at our rights little by little.
They used that strategy to take us from "gay marriage" being too laughably outrageous to even discuss to tranny worship being mandatory. That took about 20 years.
Be vigilant, my friends.
Posted by: thespellingpolice at October 02, 2015 01:56 PM (miAG4)
Are they open for psychological testing for permits to buy recreational drugs?
Didn't think so.
Posted by: WinLinBSDAdmin at October 02, 2015 01:56 PM (B11vO)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 02, 2015 01:56 PM (fWAjv)
Executive order banning guns in 3, 2, 1...
Posted by: TommyTee at October 02, 2015 01:31 PM (zFXwQ)
I seriously thought Barry was going to outright demand confiscation yesterday. I was just waiting for it.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 02, 2015 01:50 PM (4ErVI)
Semper In Stercus mentioned in the open thread that the SCOAMF will be blathering again at 3:30 today. So, it still could happen.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at October 02, 2015 01:56 PM (EHU9F)
I'd like to see a more fine grained breakdown. Do those gun deaths include criminals or terrorists shot in self defense? Do they include gang war deaths?
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 02, 2015 01:56 PM (E5UB0)
There are probably some great guidebooks floating around that deal with how government officials should diagnose mental illness, but they'd probably have to be translated from Russian.
Indeed. He should tell his friends that their comments sound better in the original Cyrillic.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 02, 2015 01:56 PM (rwI+c)
No, I think we should ignore the idiotic term and just call it "metrosexual" like it always was. Why let the left define the terms? Why use their language?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 02, 2015 01:54 PM (39g3+)
Good point!...
I am not a RetroSexual.... I'm a MAN....
Posted by: BB Wolf at October 02, 2015 01:57 PM (qh617)
Posted by: GBruno at October 02, 2015 01:57 PM (u49WF)
Posted by: that guy that always thinks it's beginning at October 02, 2015 01:58 PM (rwI+c)
They're right mainly about no mass shootings (although there have been a few over the decades).
But they are wrong about nobody owning guns. Legally own guns in canada breaks down like this:
3.5 million rifles
2.6 million shotguns
1.1 million handguns
Given the total population of Canada is 1/10 the US, it translates to around the equivalent of 72M guns in the US.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 02, 2015 01:58 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: John Roberts at October 02, 2015 01:58 PM (Dsvnk)
Posted by: PUTIN! at October 02, 2015 01:59 PM (9qvXj)
On Rush, he said the woman was seeing a shrink, and the shrink helped the woman put the drain cleaner in her eyes. I'm thinking the shrink was as crazy as the woman who wanted to be blind.
Now you want to talk about a psychological test for gun ownership when the shrinks are the crazies?
Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at October 02, 2015 01:59 PM (1Y0X+)
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at October 02, 2015 01:43 PM (vgIRn)
Why be on Farcebook to begin with supporting that lefty tool Suckerberg
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 02, 2015 02:00 PM (493sH)
How did my Dad and brother go hunting there?
What about all the sport shooting?
WTF are they talking about
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 02:00 PM (zOTsN)
She went on to say that it would have been better had any of the students been carrying, that she shoots regularly, and that as soon as she turns 21 she's getting her CCW so that she can always defend herself.
The BBC people were caught off guard by this line of talk.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at October 02, 2015 02:00 PM (JtwS4)
"Are you a Christian?"
Posted by: mrp at October 02, 2015 02:00 PM (JBggj)
As far as I'm concerned this is a horrible event that the people of umpqua, oregon will have to deal with. I'm not participating this time. I'm tired of this political, statist shit. January 21, 2016 cannot get here fast enough.
Posted by: Arson Wells at October 02, 2015 02:00 PM (UnJ7w)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Model Citizen at October 02, 2015 02:01 PM (vL/IL)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 02, 2015 02:01 PM (493sH)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 02:01 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 02:01 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 02, 2015 02:02 PM (Dsvnk)
Check out Bookworm's gun post - all sorts of good stats and arguments to deal with facebook idiocy. Worth the read (you can tell she's a lawyer):
http://www.bookwormroom.com/2015/10/01/
five-reasons-that-the-benefits-that-flow-from-guns-far-outweigh-the-risks-inherent-in-guns/
Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2015 02:02 PM (NOIQH)
gun ownership rates in Canada are almost definitely higher then the official numbers, too.
Back in the '90s, IIRC, Canada tightened up their gun purchasing (but not possessing) laws and a bunch of Canadians got worried confiscation was coming and had, er, "canoe accidents".
So I think any number is going to be high suspect.
But yes, "gun crime" rate is incredibly low in Canada.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 02:02 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 02:03 PM (zOTsN)
Yeah, it's sad when psychologists actually encourage mental illness rather than curing it.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 02, 2015 02:03 PM (E5UB0)
rounding up the 12 million illegals. Yeah, I didn't think so<<<
Hey, how about the Obama Administration create 90 million jobs first?
Posted by: Fritz at October 02, 2015 02:03 PM (UzPAd)
How did my Dad and brother go hunting there?
What about all the sport shooting?
WTF are they talking about
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 02:00 PM (zOTsN)
_________
Well my sister for one who would rather eat arsenic that come within 100 feet of a gun, for one.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 02, 2015 02:03 PM (0LHZx)
I see they are still running with Conservative Republican...
Posted by: donna at October 02, 2015 01:52 PM (hUdMz)
Was that debunked and where? Thanks.
Posted by: rebel flounder at October 02, 2015 02:03 PM (1DH1V)
If African Americans committed murder at the same rate as whites, the murder rate in the US would be on par with other "advanced nations."
We cannot even say this so no way we can address it.
Posted by: blaster at October 02, 2015 02:03 PM (2Ocf1)
Can Jose swim well enough to make 400/12 trips to the bottom of the lake?
Posted by: DaveA at October 02, 2015 02:03 PM (DL2i+)
One thing that is not talked about is the perverse incentives given to federally funded mental health clinics. They are rewarded and compensated for the successful termination and closure of cases. Success under those circumstances looks an awful lot like failure.
Posted by: ObjectionSustained at October 02, 2015 02:04 PM (pRZ8V)
Oh, I don't know.
Maybe a UN Police force, who undermines our sovereign laws and decides to confiscate?
(see Breitbart and the little rodent's face attached to it)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 02, 2015 02:04 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: Marcus T at October 02, 2015 02:05 PM (l/pfE)
"
She's just transvisioned.
Posted by: Lauren at October 02, 2015 02:05 PM (S5zql)
Back in the '90s, IIRC, Canada tightened up their gun purchasing (but not possessing) laws and a bunch of Canadians got worried confiscation was coming and had, er, "canoe accidents".
So I think any number is going to be high suspect.
But yes, "gun crime" rate is incredibly low in Canada.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 02:02 PM (AkOaV)
____________
Well those numbers I posted are official numbers, based on registration/permit numbers. But even if it's on the low end of actual gun ownership, it's a lot given the population. 7M guns for 30M people.
Crime is low in Canada cuz it's a less violent society than America. I think it goes back to how the two countries were founded. Canada signed a piece of paper and became a country. The US fought a long bloody revolution to become a country.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 02, 2015 02:06 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 02, 2015 02:06 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: BB Wolf
---------------------------------
Yes, but did you give birth to any children before transitioning.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 02, 2015 02:06 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 02, 2015 02:06 PM (0LHZx)
No, I don't think that has anything to do with it.
But I shall say no more, lest I get accused of being a racist.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 02:07 PM (AkOaV)
heh.
Poll: Jeb Falls to 4%
pew
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 02, 2015 02:06 PM (qCMvj)
__________
But mini-Jeb, aka Marco is in 2nd place. Ugh.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 02, 2015 02:07 PM (0LHZx)
reports are that his mother took her son, who she herself described as disturbed, to the range a bit
lanza vibe here
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 02:07 PM (zOTsN)
pew
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
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W00T! You just made my day. Thanks.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 02, 2015 02:07 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 02, 2015 02:07 PM (8ZskC)
Ah yes, the "well liked militia" part of the Second Amendment. I need up-twinkles to purchase a glock.
Posted by: wooga at October 02, 2015 02:07 PM (KVq/V)
The President was visibly angry, and it was obviously a constructive, bi-partisan anger.
Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at October 02, 2015 02:08 PM (Ui7Rt)
But mini-Jeb, aka Marco is in 2nd place. Ugh.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew
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And you just ruined it.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 02, 2015 02:08 PM (E5UB0)
No, I don't think that has anything to do with it.
But I shall say no more, lest I get accused of being a racist.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 02:07 PM (AkOaV)
_________
Hmm. Yeah those Irish, I tell ya, nothing but problems.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 02, 2015 02:08 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at October 02, 2015 02:08 PM (iQIUe)
Kathy Steinle.
What "common sense" laws would have prevented her murder?
Oh, right, the (unenforced by SF) immigration laws would have ensured that that dude would not have been in the country, and therefore, would not have "found" the gun that belonged to a LEO.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2015 02:08 PM (NOIQH)
Is the national workforce non-participation rate still at record levels?
Posted by: mrp at October 02, 2015 02:08 PM (JBggj)
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 02, 2015 02:09 PM (bZ7mE)
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/poll-jeb-falls-4_1039884.html
Poll: Jeb Falls to 4%
He has entered the "joke candidate" zone.
Posted by: zombie at October 02, 2015 02:09 PM (jBuUi)
Probably already said, but -
Then that just means the background checks weren't restrictive enough, you gun-humping flaggots! There's blood on your hands! WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING!!!
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 02, 2015 02:09 PM (zF6Iw)
The only way to stop poverty is to take money from rich people and give it to the government for the government to spend on price supports for corn and food stamps so the poor can have Coca-Cola and Coca-Cola shareholders can have enormous dividends that the government can take to spend on price supports for corn and food stamps so the poor can have Coca-Cola and Coca-Cola shareholders can have enormous dividends that the government can take...
The only way to make the world secure is to allow the power hungry regimes on the planet to achieve their objectives.
The only way to have peace in the middle East is for six million Jews to quit being a threat to a billion Muslims.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 02, 2015 02:10 PM (659DL)
There were proxy wars between the French and English in what is now Maine / Canada.
Pretty violent. Lots of drama between the Acadians and the English.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 02:10 PM (AkOaV)
As to why didn't mom do something: Ask any parent who has a psychotic adult child about the sleepless nights and frustration trying to get any help.
One thing that is not talked about is the perverse incentives given to federally funded mental health clinics. They are rewarded and compensated for the successful termination and closure of cases. Success under those circumstances looks an awful lot like failure.
Posted by: ObjectionSustained at October 02, 2015 02:04 PM (pRZ8V)
Look, I invented the revolving door.
Posted by: Achmed, the Federal Government at October 02, 2015 02:10 PM (1DH1V)
What is the likelihood of a black person killing another black person in those same countries?
I'll believe Black Lives Matter when Black People Stop Killing Other Black People.
Posted by: George Tirebiter at October 02, 2015 02:11 PM (/zyrl)
http://tinyurl.com/qcphwn2
Obama Ordered Kerry and Samantha Power to Snub Netanyahu at UN
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 02, 2015 02:12 PM (fWAjv)
http://tinyurl.com/pjre7dw
Scroll down.
So who think Obama will have an executive order ready this afternoon or is going to "establish a task force,,,,blah, blah, blah...."
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 02, 2015 02:12 PM (cgZPg)
The Craze-Inator lets the gun know if the guy holding it is crazy. If it says crazy, then the gun won't shoot.*
*Inators are a registered tradename of Doofenshmirz Evil, Inc.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Turbo-Charge What Agitates You at the Outrage Outlet! at October 02, 2015 01:44 PM (hLRSq)
Still working on taking over the Tri-state Area? How's that going for you?
Posted by: Insomniac at October 02, 2015 02:12 PM (IK6dA)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 02, 2015 02:12 PM (8ZskC)
US population density is '34'. Lot more opportunity for arguments to break out. Lot more bigger cities, and with a larger population the greater absolute number of crazies. Ten percent of 300 mil vs ten percent of 30 mil
Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at October 02, 2015 02:13 PM (1Y0X+)
Maybe he has the Russians on his side now...
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 02, 2015 02:13 PM (659DL)
They terminate cases like ShitMidas terminates wars.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 02, 2015 02:14 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew
Hawaiian, the Office of the Dept of Redundancy Agency called. Didn't leave a message. Said you'd know.
Posted by: TIMMEH at October 02, 2015 02:14 PM (JmGFJ)
Bandersnatch, ooh ooh, you mean you caught some of the famous "BBC dead air" on this story? That's cool. Haven't punished myself with NPR or BBC for a very long time, but the "dead air" moments are so classic, and so educational.
The "journalists" are so ignorant, so obssessed with bigotry and fantasy and false frameworks, that they often end up stunned when a fairly obvious fact or unanswerable interpretive point is brought to their attention.
Favorite BBC dead air moment: interview with Israeli military spokesman during one of the West Bank offensives to suppress terrorism (before - duh! - the decisively effective barrier was erected) - 2003? Jenin? IDG guy was non-native English speaker, clearly hesitated to answer cuz he couldn't believe the question he was asked ("did you leave the town because you'd killed enough people?")
Favorite NPR dead air moment: idiot morning news host asks Baghdad correspondent if bombings of police recruiting centers will hurt recruitment .... correspondent hesitates, but has no choice but to report that no, in fact the opposite, and also lots of popular expressions of determination not to surrender to crazy terrorists.
Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2015 02:14 PM (QDnY+)
http://tinyurl.com/pjre7dw
Scroll down.
So who think Obama will have an executive order ready this afternoon or is going to "establish a task force,,,,blah, blah, blah...."
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 02, 2015 02:12 PM (cgZPg)
I saw this clip addressed over at HotAir earlier today.
There they were, both Mika and Halperin, deer in the headlight stupid, yet... I don't think they got it, that they had just been exposed to their own lesser state of mind.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 02, 2015 02:14 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at October 02, 2015 02:14 PM (+lSVr)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 02, 2015 02:14 PM (NeFrd)
Poll: Jeb Falls to 4%
pew
Those crack GOPe consultants sure do know how to manage a campaign.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 02, 2015 02:12 PM (8ZskC)
Continually proving that you cannot put lipstick on a pig.
Posted by: rebel flounder at October 02, 2015 02:15 PM (1DH1V)
Posted by: Fritz at October 02, 2015 02:15 PM (UzPAd)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 02, 2015 02:15 PM (fWAjv)
Don't they have that in France?
In South Africa?
Don't give the anti-gunners one inch. Take it in the opposite direction. NATIONWIDE OPEN CARRY MOTHER FUCKERS.
You know, a step that might actually work...
Posted by: prescient11 at October 02, 2015 02:15 PM (q5APL)
there will be no task force
Task forces are for republicans who dont plan to do anything
no
this will come down trough DOJ and Homeland Security as well as the ATF
they will not be able to force registration
so they willl drive gun dealers out of business. You can exercise that right. Good luck finding anywhere to buy them
because if I were a tinpot dictator thats what I would do. I would use every mechanism of the government to harass gun sellers until they voluntarily went out of business
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 02:15 PM (zOTsN)
This is a complete straw-man argument and you're allowing the opposition to frame the parameters of the debate -- are you saying you agree that an outright ban would prevent these kinds of crimes? If so, the grabbers job is half-done. I vehemently disagree that an outright ban would prevent these kinds of acts. And after they confiscate the guns from law-abiding citizens, there will still be millions of guns left, almost exclusively in the hands of criminals (do you really think the govt. is going to go door-to-door in Compton confiscating guns?). Then we'd really be out of the frying pan and into the fire.
Posted by: Aloha saladbar at October 02, 2015 02:15 PM (J3x3K)
US population density is '34'. Lot more opportunity for arguments to break out. Lot more bigger cities, and with a larger population the greater absolute number of crazies. Ten percent of 300 mil vs ten percent of 30 mil
Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski
PopDen indicates alot about politics, crime, and economics. The elbow room song from Schoolhouse rocks is critical.
Posted by: Jean at October 02, 2015 02:15 PM (ztOda)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 02, 2015 02:15 PM (cgZPg)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 02, 2015 02:15 PM (Dsvnk)
The US and Canadian homicide rates per 100,000 are nearly identical (in the 3 years I checked for) if you remove African-Americans from the US murder rates.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 02:16 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 02, 2015 02:16 PM (659DL)
Yeb! is doomed. Rubio the twink is clearly the back-up. (ha! Limbaugh talking about this just now)
A measure of our degradation that Rubio can be taken seriously as a presidential candidate, in this situation.
Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2015 02:16 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at October 02, 2015 02:16 PM (0O7c5)
(1) Anyone in the state of Oregon may carry a handgun, openly or
concealed, for the purposes of self defense or the defense of others, in
any place at any time.
Outside of federal buildings, Oregon already has this for CHL holders.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at October 02, 2015 02:16 PM (+lsX1)
Well, then that's what tinpot dictator will do.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 02, 2015 02:17 PM (cgZPg)
Like in San Francisco, where they finally pushed the last gun store standing out of business?
Posted by: Insomniac at October 02, 2015 02:17 PM (IK6dA)
Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at October 02, 2015 02:13 PM (1Y0X+)
___________
Yeah but most recent mass shootings were in small towns
Newtown
Roseburg
Va Tech (small rural college town)
Aurora / Tucson were in big cities
So I don't know if density means much with regard to crazy people shooting innocent people.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 02, 2015 02:17 PM (0LHZx)
Pretty violent. Lots of drama between the Acadians and the English.
Yeah, I am familiar with the French and Indian Wars. I'm talking about Canadian Settlers/Army versus Indians, analogous to stuff like King Philip's War, the Tuscarora War, the Cherokee Wars, the 40 year conflicts between the Shawnee and the whites in Ohio River Valley region, The Red Stick Wars, the Black Hawk War, Seminole Wars, the conflicts in the Plains, etc., in the US. There was one Metis rebellion in the 19th century, and that is all I can think of off the top of my head.
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 02, 2015 02:17 PM (bZ7mE)
----
cracks me up when they say the same about Switzerland.
Every able bodied adult male has a fully automatic assault rifle issued by the State... kept in their home..... with the ammo.
This goes back 100 years when the Swiss kept their Scmidt Rubin rifles at home as part of the Militia.
Marksmanship and firearms are very much a part of traditional Swiss culture.
Posted by: fixerupper at October 02, 2015 02:17 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at October 02, 2015 02:17 PM (EHU9F)
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 02, 2015 02:17 PM (bZ7mE)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 02:17 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at October 02, 2015 02:18 PM (s7Vu4)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 02, 2015 02:18 PM (Dsvnk)
Crime is low in Canada cuz it's a less violent society than America. I think it goes back to how the two countries were founded. Canada signed a piece of paper and became a country. The US fought a long bloody revolution to become a country.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 02, 2015 02:06 PM (0LHZx)
This is wrong. The homicide rate of blacks is about twenty times that of whites. It is twice that of hispanics and twice that of drug gang infested Mexico. It has to be faced that homicide is part of the current ghetto culture. For whatever reason.
Posted by: ObjectionSustained at October 02, 2015 02:18 PM (kVOeb)
Apparently the background check was deficient. Whether it could or should include other areas to check can be evaluated. Even so, no background check can be perfect but it should be the best it can be without violating further rights.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at October 02, 2015 02:14 PM (+lSVr)
BS. MPHS shooter stole his firearm from his father, who apparently lied on his atf 4473 about a prior DV order.
Even if the background check is flawless, how does it prevent shootings with a stolen firearm?
Posted by: rebel flounder at October 02, 2015 02:18 PM (1DH1V)
Gristle Encase Head to the barrel.... for a de-gristling.
Posted by: fixerupper at October 02, 2015 02:18 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Insomniac at October 02, 2015 02:18 PM (IK6dA)
Posted by: Grey Fox at October 02, 2015 02:18 PM (bZ7mE)
Also, a person could be sane when they purchase a weapon. Ten years down the road, they may go over the deep end. What then?
Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 02, 2015 02:18 PM (vg8iE)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 02, 2015 02:19 PM (cgZPg)
When adjusted for race, income, education, and geography, etc., US violent crime rates are very similar to other rich countries.
Which is why most Americans never suffer, or see, violent crime or its consequences directly.
Those making this point are correct. Graphs and charts making this point could produce some pretty dramatic items that would confound the NPR-stupid cohort ruining the country.
Posted by: rhomboid at October 02, 2015 02:19 PM (QDnY+)
1. A federal ban or state-wide bans on "gun free zones".
2. Any institution with a "gun free zone" could be held liable for wrongful death in situations like this.
Posted by: Dave (in MA) at October 02, 2015 02:19 PM (WhB4J)
Haven't seen it. Would it be instructive?
Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at October 02, 2015 02:19 PM (1Y0X+)
Link?
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 02, 2015 02:16 PM (659DL)
Chaffetz prepares long-shot bid for House speaker
http://tinyurl.com/ndut28w
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 02, 2015 02:19 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: setnaffa at October 02, 2015 01:38 PM (BtRXi)
Both. While you're at it, pick up another M4gery, you may need it sooner rather than later. Don't forget the ammo!
Posted by: Jim Scrummy at October 02, 2015 02:19 PM (od1KN)
Posted by: Hentai Squid at October 02, 2015 02:19 PM (JtwS4)
We have 320 MILLION people in this country.
Law of large numbers says we'll have more nutjobs then Canada, who has 35 million people.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 02:19 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew
Hawaiian, the Office of the Dept of Redundancy Agency called. Didn't leave a message. Said you'd know.
Posted by: TIMMEH at October 02, 2015 02:14 PM (JmGFJ)
Canada has WAY more violent crime than the U.S.
Remember this
http://dailym.ai/1bfA9KQ
The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 02, 2015 02:19 PM (qCMvj)
Just did the math.
The US and Canadian homicide rates per 100,000 are nearly identical
(in the 3 years I checked for) if you remove African-Americans from the
US murder rates.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 02:16 PM (AkOaV)
That's going to be our CNN Breaking Alert for 3 PM!
That is a great way to look at the issue and I'd really like to see studies like that done.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at October 02, 2015 02:19 PM (AC0lD)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 02, 2015 02:20 PM (fWAjv)
I don't think anyone is broadly impugning anyone in that situation nor is there a lack of appreciation for the difficulty. What concerns people is when someone makes a substantial error in judgment by letting that person successfully obtain firearms without any intervention. Depending on the situation you may not be able to stop it, but you can generate interest from law enforcement by advising of the condition. That at least provides opportunity to stop the person from hurting themselves or others.
Posted by: Marcus T at October 02, 2015 02:20 PM (l/pfE)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 02, 2015 02:20 PM (NaeCR)
2. Any institution with a "gun free zone" could be held liable for wrongful death in situations like this.
I support both of these.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 02:20 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 02, 2015 02:20 PM (Dsvnk)
Which are still badass rifles. Even the straight-pull carbine model of the K31 is a friggin' tack driver.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 02, 2015 02:20 PM (IK6dA)
To maximize freedom and minimize casualties the best solution is to keep as many armed protectors on standby as possible.
Want to feel safe?
Carry a gun or be amongst those who do.
Otherwise, your feeling of safety is not justified.
Posted by: eman at October 02, 2015 02:20 PM (mR7Es)
lanza vibe here
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 02:07 PM
I have a nephew who is a bit "different." The guns are locked up and his parents do not let him have any access. Fortunately he shows no interest in guns or other weapons either.
He is functional, but believes in most of the Alex jones type crap.
Posted by: rd at October 02, 2015 02:20 PM (SukjU)
Posted by: steevy at October 02, 2015 02:21 PM (sPO3u)
Not just government - I have no doubt they've already leaned on banks and CC verification services to no longer do business with gun/ammo dealers, and it will get worse. What did Holder call it, Operation Choke Point?
Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2015 02:21 PM (NOIQH)
_______
The crazy in Charleston somehow became a Confederate flag supporter by gunning down Christians in church.
Narrative uber alles.
Posted by: mustbequantum at October 02, 2015 02:21 PM (MIKMs)
Posted by: steevy at October 02, 2015 02:21 PM (sPO3u)
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at October 02, 2015 02:21 PM (+lsX1)
Not looking for or expect perfection.
Posted by: Max Rockatansky at October 02, 2015 02:21 PM (+lSVr)
Posted by: Feh at October 02, 2015 02:21 PM (SsYt1)
Posted by: steevy at October 02, 2015 02:22 PM (sPO3u)
Posted by: Insomniac at October 02, 2015 02:22 PM (IK6dA)
******
Meh, if you commit a gun crime in Canada you get two minutes in the penalty box. Unless there's blood, then it's a four-minute double minor.
But if you're the goalie you can get away with murder as long as you are within the crease.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 02, 2015 02:22 PM (NeFrd)
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 02:22 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Insomniac at October 02, 2015 02:20 PM (IK6dA)
----
..... and I own TWO....
.... one a Beech stock... the other a walnut.
The beech is THE MOST ACCURATE RIFLE I OWN at 200 yds. Outshoots my Rem 700 in .270.
Simply amazing rifles.
Posted by: fixerupper at October 02, 2015 02:22 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: wooga at October 02, 2015 02:22 PM (KVq/V)
Not just government - I have no doubt they've already leaned on banks and CC verification services to no longer do business with gun/ammo dealers, and it will get worse. What did Holder call it, Operation Choke Point?
Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2015 02:21 PM (NOIQH)
Yep.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 02, 2015 02:23 PM (IK6dA)
Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 02, 2015 02:23 PM (vg8iE)
Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at October 02, 2015 02:23 PM (ucB75)
Posted by: Hentai Squid at October 02, 2015 02:23 PM (JtwS4)
That is a great way to look at the issue and I'd really like to see studies like that done.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at October 02, 2015 02:19 PM (AC0lD)
all these numbers are publicly available online.
Some european countries are a little iffy with their numbers though -- they only count CONVICTIONS, so if a guy is charged with murder then pleas out to negligent homicide, it's not counted.
Canada is a pretty apples to apples comparison is far as I can tell in their methodology though.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 02:23 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 02, 2015 01:39 PM (VPLuQ)
++++
It's the title of a wee, diminutive pansy-ass. So, no caps.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at October 02, 2015 01:40 PM (IN7k+)
Wodern Wan.
Or, perhaps, Vodern Van.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at October 02, 2015 02:23 PM (sJuWI)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 02, 2015 02:23 PM (Dsvnk)
How about IQ Testing before voting...
Posted by: GMan at October 02, 2015 02:23 PM (sxq57)
Posted by: Jollyroger at October 02, 2015 02:23 PM (t06LC)
Why did this shooter want to kill Christians? Do we know anything more about this?
Posted by: Feh at October 02, 2015 02:24 PM (SsYt1)
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 02:22 PM (zOTsN)
****
That is a day that ends with a Y in Chicago.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at October 02, 2015 02:24 PM (1eYr7)
Posted by: Insomniac at October 02, 2015 02:20 PM (IK6dA)
----
..... and I own TWO........ one a Beech stock... the other a walnut.
The beech is THE MOST ACCURATE RIFLE I OWN at 200 yds. Outshoots my Rem 700 in .270.
Simply amazing rifles.
Posted by: fixerupper at October 02, 2015 02:22 PM (8XRCm)
No doubt. The rifles are impressive craftsmanship and the 7.5 round is a good one.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 02, 2015 02:24 PM (IK6dA)
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at October 02, 2015 02:24 PM (+lsX1)
Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 02, 2015 02:23 PM (vg8iE)
Uh, well the "trained, credentialed" shrinks are usually not anyone I'd trust to speak of someones "mental health condition" ESPECIALLY in a court setting.
HINT: Not real science.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 02:24 PM (AkOaV)
Gristle does Barrel stuff.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 02, 2015 02:24 PM (UBLhq)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 02, 2015 02:25 PM (E5UB0)
professional to speak of someone's mental/physical health condition for
legal purposes.<<<
Didn't some quack recently burn out his patient's eyes so she could become legally blind? Ethics, indeed.
Posted by: Fritz at October 02, 2015 02:25 PM (UzPAd)
Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2015 02:21 PM (NOIQH)
exactly. Push banks to stop financing, push insurance companies to stop selling policies to anyone with a gun, and any company that makes or sells guns
put together some class action law suits to sue manufactureres and sellers
IRS audits
OSHA inspections
you name it. All out total harassment
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 02:25 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at October 02, 2015 02:25 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: Insomniac at October 02, 2015 02:24 PM (IK6dA)
----
Pretty cool to go to the range and outshoot some of the guys with custom rifles using a WWII battle rifle.....
Posted by: fixerupper at October 02, 2015 02:25 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Enthusiastic Brett Favre at October 02, 2015 02:26 PM (NeFrd)
We need to pare off these lampreys from the body politic.
Posted by: Cardinal Eris (weapons: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, fanatical devotion to the Pope) at October 02, 2015 02:26 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner
Caitlyn, honey, my standards are really low but I do have standards.
Posted by: Hentai Squid at October 02, 2015 02:26 PM (JtwS4)
is that not a basic weekend in Chicago?
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 02:22 PM (zOTsN)
No Shitcago runs to 6 wounded for every death. So it would be about 60 wounded, like last weekend plus a weekday.
Heyjackass dot com has a great website on Chicago.
Posted by: rd at October 02, 2015 02:27 PM (SukjU)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 02, 2015 02:19 PM (qCMvj)
Last winter, I drove to my elderly aunt's house in our small Canadian town to shovel her driveway. Several houses down, I heard people actually YELLING in the streets, 2 guys on one side and a man and a woman on the other. They moved in closer to each other.
And even though everyone was bundled up for the cold and they could have hit each other with baseball bats and not felt much, out of concern I walked in closer and had to yell "Hey, do I have to call the cops!?"
They backed off. One guy called the cops from his step and I went home. That was the closest I've seen to a fight in 20+ years since high school. I just felt like sharing.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at October 02, 2015 02:27 PM (AC0lD)
No, but that's not ace's point.
Over and over and over, the Progressives call for "common sense gun control." They are allowed, despite our myriad gun laws, to so say without challenge. It is time we started challenging.
What "common sense gun control" would have prevented this evil event?
And, of course, the only answer with the faintest chance of success is: "outright ban and confiscation."
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 02:27 PM (kff5f)
Just look at the changes to the DSM over the years - it's a bunch of Lefty psychiatrists that define what is mental illness.
Give them the power to decide who gets guns and the DSM might be updated to include "Government Aversion Disorder a/k/a/ "tea-partyitus".
Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2015 02:28 PM (NOIQH)
Cooke won that appearance on MSNBC by appearing on Real Time with Bill Maher and telling him to "start gloating" because people on the right are idiots.
Posted by: jwest at October 02, 2015 02:28 PM (Zs4uk)
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 02, 2015 02:28 PM (gyKtp)
professional to speak of someone's mental/physical health condition for
legal purposes.
Now that we have legal, recreational weed in Oregon, those doctors that made a living prescribing medical marijuana will need a new source of revenue.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at October 02, 2015 02:28 PM (+lsX1)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 02, 2015 02:29 PM (Dsvnk)
Posted by: bicentennialguy at October 02, 2015 02:23 PM (vg8iE)
that is 100 % baloney. Witnesses are asked all the time about a persons state of mind or physical condition on the stand. All. The. Time.
did he appear distraught
was he hurt
was she crying
was he coherent
did she seem to know what was going on
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 02:29 PM (zOTsN)
He is functional, but believes in most of the Alex jones type crap.
Posted by: rd at October 02, 2015 02:20 PM (SukjU)
I have a close friend who has a son with mental problems also. One day she discovered a couple hundred dollar charges on her credit card. Turns out her son bought sand bags and mre's. When she asked him why, he started going on about something Alex Jones said about preparing for war with the gov't.
Posted by: Arson Wells at October 02, 2015 02:29 PM (UnJ7w)
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at October 02, 2015 02:29 PM (AC0lD)
But I guess when there's no such thing as evil, you have to call it "mental illness." If there's no such thing as the soul, it's a man's mind that is sick, not his heart.
Posted by: Hal at October 02, 2015 02:29 PM (hmPdt)
*****
Have you ever met a credentialed mental health professional?
Posted by: Enthusiastic Brett Favre at October 02, 2015 02:29 PM (NeFrd)
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at October 02, 2015 02:27 PM (AC0lD)
and they won't report on the rapes on campuses either
don't want to upset the mild-meld that all is fine!
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 02, 2015 02:30 PM (qCMvj)
The source adds: 'The only thing I've seen that came close to this type of devotion to Satan is the 'Night Stalker' in Los Angeles,' referring to Richard Ramirez, a serial killer who murdered at least 13 people over the course of two years in the 1980s.
-----
Yep. Typical conservative republican there.
http://tinyurl.com/qe3m5dm
----
'He had this notebook with all these pictures of skulls that he had traced, and they had like fire in their eyes and looked really weird,'
o.O
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 02, 2015 02:30 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at October 02, 2015 02:30 PM (NeFrd)
Posted by: ThunderB at October 02, 2015 02:30 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: jwest at October 02, 2015 02:28 PM (Zs4uk)
Sorry. Forgot the basic rules of grammar:
"Cooke - the insufferable twit - won that appearance on MSNBC..."
Posted by: jwest at October 02, 2015 02:30 PM (Zs4uk)
Only people judged to be sane will be allowed to own firearms. The desire to own firearms will be judged to be proof of insanity.
I'm no lawyer, so, please advise ... any loopholes?
Posted by: thespellingpolice at October 02, 2015 02:30 PM (miAG4)
Posted by: steevy at October 02, 2015 02:31 PM (sPO3u)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 02:27 PM (kff5f)
Suggest we put our Laboratory of Democracy to the test and try it out first, in say, New York City, Chicago, Baltimore, maybe LA, Compton, any discrete geographic area with a high level of crime and political separation from the rest of the country and see how it works.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 02, 2015 02:32 PM (NaeCR)
Posted by: Obama's remaining moderate Syrian at October 02, 2015 02:32 PM (X7E8f)
"Logic is a tool of the patriarchy!" cries the Modern Man.
Posted by: Komissar Vladimir at October 02, 2015 02:32 PM (voUxQ)
Life in Obama's America is so fucked up, it's a wonder there aren't more mass shootings.
The gun is just a tool option. The sociopathy is much deeper.
Posted by: Feh at October 02, 2015 02:32 PM (SsYt1)
Posted by: Obama's remaining moderate Syrian at October 02, 2015 02:32 PM (X7E8f)
http://tinyurl.com/qj9p4ly
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 02, 2015 02:32 PM (cgZPg)
1. Mandatory death sentence for premeditated murder using a firearm.
2. Mandatory 20 year minimum for use of a fire arm in the commission of a felony.
3. Mandatory 20 year minimum for straw purchases.
4. Mandatory 5 year minimum for providing false data on a federal firearms check.
But.... DISPARATE IMPACT..... so that aint happening.
Posted by: fixerupper at October 02, 2015 02:33 PM (8XRCm)
don't want to upset the mild-meld that all is fine!
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 02, 2015 02:30 PM (qCMvj)
They have the same indoctrination going on here with 'rape is an epidemic' people 'raising awareness.'
But my province is economically and socially further down the road to disaster than California so I just want to see it burn. It'll be instructional for the Horde.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at October 02, 2015 02:33 PM (AC0lD)
Posted by: Marcus T at October 02, 2015 02:20 PM (l/pfE)
He had been committed to a therapeutic group home when he was younger. The system was well aware of him.
Posted by: ObjectionSustained at October 02, 2015 02:33 PM (kVOeb)
Not sure how that's different from possession *by* demons, but then, I'm not one of the sophisticated Modern Men.
Posted by: Feh at October 02, 2015 02:34 PM (SsYt1)
Canada is a pretty apples to apples comparison is far as I can tell in their methodology though.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at October 02, 2015 02:23 PM (AkOaV)
Britain only counts murders if someone is arrested and convicted of murder.
No conviction, no murder.
No arrest, no murder.
Apply this to Chicago, where they have a 25% clearance (arrest) rate. Their murder rate would go from 500 per year to less than 125 per year!
Add in fckued up prosecutions, and you are less than 100 murders per year in Chicago.
Posted by: rd at October 02, 2015 02:34 PM (SukjU)
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at October 02, 2015 02:16 PM (+lsX1)
Well, yes on paper. But any student who tries will be arrested for whatever they can get away with.http://preview.tinyurl.com/wou-vet
Posted by: Kindltot at October 02, 2015 02:36 PM (3pRHP)
Posted by: William S. Burroughs at October 02, 2015 02:38 PM (Bdeb0)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 02, 2015 02:27 PM (kff5f)
Suggest we put our Laboratory of Democracy to the test and try it out first, in say, New York City, Chicago, Baltimore, maybe LA, Compton, any discrete geographic area with a high level of crime and political separation from the rest of the country and see how it works.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at October 02, 2015 02:32 PM (NaeCR)
No No No.
Start in Idaho.
Just one thing. Do not send the local police and sheriffs.
Send the politicians and anti-gun activists door to door to ask for the guns.
Posted by: rd at October 02, 2015 02:39 PM (SukjU)
I need all of the likkerz after being exposed all day to the CNN rectangular glasses twats with their Concern Face and moues of distaste at the evil guns and sheriffs who are not in lockstep with the Sun God Barackhenaten.
Posted by: Cardinal Eris (weapons: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, fanatical devotion to the Pope) at October 02, 2015 02:39 PM (jR7Wy)
Teach SJW not to kill
Posted by: Skip at October 02, 2015 02:45 PM (HbCsM)
pew
Yes.. As a candidate Jeb is pretty stinky. ;^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
As long as Mitch is running the senate like a yellow coward, Jeb and any establishment candidate are doomed.
Posted by: Jean at October 02, 2015 02:45 PM (H5T1o)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 02, 2015 02:29 PM (Dsvnk)
You will have to institutionalize 1/5 of NYC.
(Which might be a GOOD thing)
Posted by: rd at October 02, 2015 02:45 PM (SukjU)
Posted by: Jaimo at October 02, 2015 02:46 PM (9U1OG)
Rather than a barrier of being judged sane, there is something that would help. Or rather, two things.
One would be improving detection and management of mental disease with narcissistic/paranoid disorders, impulse control problems and delusions.
One way to limit sales to the mentally ill would be to change reporting and change bars - making it mandatory to report diagnoses and promptly bar purchase until a review takes place (with mandatory super-review and sunsets). Instead of "everyone is crazy by default" an intermediate standard of those with significant mental impairment or disease must establish fitness or good reason to override the bar; with sunsets and review process to protect a dilatory state from dawdling, and protect against a faulty or bad-motived diagnosis.
The kid was nuts. There were probably people who knew.
One tip this kid was nuts was his white supremacy obsession despite his mixed race background; another his pecualiar attraction to the IRA movement despite having little personally at stake. I can't believe no one noticed his odd-duckness or the fact that his "eyes are wrong".
Posted by: SarahW at October 02, 2015 02:47 PM (3fTXW)
Another option is H&K; the P30 and VP9 are delightful. Or go large with a Les Baer.
Prez-2-Be Biden suggests a double barrel shotgun.
Posted by: Marion Morrison's Shade at October 02, 2015 02:48 PM (nSW/N)
And, correct me if I'm wrong, didn't someone shoot back at that event?
Posted by: Lauren at October 02, 2015 01:48 PM (yJUoa)
That wasn't a "mass shooting" in the sense of a spree killing. Apparently the perp had targeted the judge who was killed. The others were collateral damage.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 02, 2015 02:56 PM (0yhH4)
Posted by: algore at October 02, 2015 02:59 PM (kf1Nc)
Here's what we need to know:
Who was this guy?
Why did he do this?
What was the state of his mental health?
Where did he get his gun(s)?
Did he follow the law in getting his guns?
How did he gain access to the campus?
Was anyone at the campus ready and able to confront him?
Talk about anything else and you're just emoting along the lines of: Do Something, Anything, Now!!!!!
Posted by: steve walsh at October 02, 2015 03:00 PM (s26zM)
Posted by: macleod at October 02, 2015 03:07 PM (Qf5bp)
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 02, 2015 02:06 PM (0LHZx)
We also have a lot fewer of the demographic sector which is disproportionately responsible for a lot of the violent crime in America.
And then there are certain 'hoods in Toronto...
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 02, 2015 03:10 PM (0yhH4)
"There were four mass killing attempts this week. Only one made the news because it helped the agreed upon media narrative.
1.Oregon. NOT a gun free zone. Shooter confronted by permit holder. Shooter commits suicide. Only a few casualties.
2.Texas. NOT a gun free zone. Shooter killed immediately by off duty cop. Only a few casualties.
3.Connecticut. GUN FREE ZONE. Shooters kills until the police arrive. Suicide. 26 dead.
4.China. GUN FREE COUNTRY. A guy with a KNIFE stabs 22 children."
Posted by: mark at October 02, 2015 03:18 PM (1Qsuq)
Posted by: steve walsh at October 02, 2015 03:18 PM (s26zM)
http://monsterhunternation.com/2015/06/23/an-opinion-on-gun-control-repost/
Posted by: mark at October 02, 2015 03:20 PM (1Qsuq)
Posted by: steevy at October 02, 2015 02:21 PM (sPO3u)
Condolences on the passing of your father, steevy. btdt
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 02, 2015 03:22 PM (0yhH4)
Posted by: steve walsh at October 02, 2015 03:22 PM (s26zM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzyuvl5Ry4g
Posted by: mark at October 02, 2015 03:22 PM (1Qsuq)
Making me pay for someone elses's medical treatment.... not so much.
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at October 02, 2015 04:00 PM (f+6Pd)
What Obama wants is gun registration....then gun confiscation...then camps.
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at October 02, 2015 04:08 PM (f+6Pd)
Posted by: seattle slough at October 02, 2015 04:25 PM (mCz8+)
But mentioning the numbers on that would probably get me banned again.
Seriously, any posts under my old nick and e-mail address vanish within ten seconds. And I am running out of names.
Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at October 02, 2015 04:29 PM (/eYmH)
Sig is always the right choice. Let me suggest a 226 (I prefer the Navy,) Carry wise a Glock 19 all day long but there's something magical about a Sig.
Posted by: ATLDiver at October 02, 2015 07:23 PM (4N7Kq)
The answer now as it has been for a long time is simple :
Eliminate NO GUN ZONES, except in unique situations such as air flight.
===
FYI, my grandfather used to carry a gun on his way to school in E WA when he was a kid. This was protection from critters and nar-do-wells. The school even had gun safety and shooting days at school where every kid was 'invited' to bring their gun to school.
Posted by: Seipherd at October 02, 2015 08:08 PM (NRPjM)
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