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Surprise! Russia's First Bombing Run Isn't Against ISIL, But Against US-Backed Secular Rebels
Remember, all of Obama's super-close Interesting Foreign Friends are just here to help us n stuff. At least, that's the fantasy our daydreaming president likes to indulge.Russia launched airstrikes in Syria on Wednesday, catching U.S. and Western officials off guard and drawing new condemnation as evidence suggested Moscow wasn't targeting extremist group Islamic State, but rather other opponents of Bashar al-Assad's regime. One of the airstrikes hit an area primarily held by rebels backed by the Central Intelligence Agency and allied spy services, U.S. officials said, catapulting the Syrian crisis to a new level of danger and uncertainty. Moscow's entry means the world's most powerful militaries--including the U.S., Britain and France--now are flying uncoordinated combat missions, heightening the risk of conflict in the skies over Syria. U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter said Russia's approach to the Syrian war--defending Mr. Assad while ostensibly targeting extremists--was tantamount to "pouring gasoline on the fire." "I have been dealing with them for a long time. And this is not the kind of behavior that we should expect professionally from the Russian military," Mr. Carter said at a Pentagon news conference.Oh, they're not acting "professionally." What a fierce condemnation. Russia is going after the US-backed secular rebels because they're the main moral threat to Assad, though not the main military threat. The main military threat is ISIS, but of course the West is willing, in theory, to bomb ISIS. (In theory -- Obama has been conducting desultory air strikes on ISIS that chiefly seem designed to impact American news media headlines.) But the non-ISIS-aligned rebels are a force the world would generally welcome in place of Assad, so they need to be taken out ASAP. Plus, they're backed by the CIA, so Russia wants to eradicate these American-leaning elements. Listen to how weakly our Secretary of Defense simpers on:
... "It does appear that they were in areas where there probably were not ISIL forces, and that is precisely one of the problems with this whole approach," said Mr. Carter, the U.S. defense chief. U.S. officials said it was unclear if Moscow directly targeted a location held by the CIA-backed fighters in western Syria because of their association with the U.S.'s covert program to fund, arm and train the rebels.1, this is not a "problem" with the Russian approach, this is the whole point of the Russian approach, and 2, it is plenty "clear" what Russia is up to. But Obama, however, is forced to cover for our actual enemies, to spin on their behalves, for to admit what they were actually doing would be to admit his own weakness and impotency. So he has to make up a fairy tale about Russia, to save himself. Not only that, Kerry had to stand with the Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov and babble impotently about "deconfliction discussions" while Russia was blowing up American allies. "Deconfliction" is apparently just keeping your jets out of each other's airspace so they don't shoot at one another (and spark World War Three, though we know that won't happen with limpwrist Obama; we'll just apologize for our pilots getting in the way of Russian air-to-air missiles). Update: I just realized Kerry wasn't talking about jets, primarily -- he was pretending that Russia didn't know they were bombing US allies, that it was a mistake which a "deconfliction discussion" could have cured. Pathetic attempt at face-saving. Video of the humiliating spectacle at the above link. Iranian ground troops will be sweeping in to further attack US interests. Remember, Iran told Obama that if he gave them the bomb they would fix all that's broken in the Middle East for him, and Obama believed him, because weak people are forced to believe whatever promises are made to them. They have no other options but to trust that someone will help them.
These Iranian forces are under the command of Maj. Gen. Qasem Soleimani, the Quds Force commander in charge of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard’s international operations, which runs a network of proxy forces throughout the Middle East, including Syria, Iraq, Yemen, and Lebanon. Fox News first reported a secret meeting between Soleimani and Russian President Vladimir Putin, which took place in late July. Part of the discussions between Soleimani and Putin was the future Russian build up in Syria, coordinated closely with Iran.Suleimani is a terrorist, and his travel is restricted by Western governments due to his status as terrorist. That meeting was of course during a key moment of the Iran Nuke talks. Didn't take any wind out of Obama's sails, though. Krauthammer sums it all up.
"The Soviet Ministry announces they hit ISIS targets. Everyone knows it is a lie, like all of the lies that were issued in the Ukraine," Krauthammer said. "They were not hitting ISIS. ISIS isn't in the area. They were hitting... a stronghold for the Free Syrian Army." Krauthammer labeled Russia’s actions as "humiliating" for the United States, as military leaders were given little more than an hour’s notice of plans for strikes in Syria. Moreover, he said the Obama administration is failing to act as Russia takes charge in the region, referencing Secretary of State John Kerry’s afternoon media availability with his Russian counterpart. "[Kerry was] saying, 'Well, you know, we’ve got a little problem about the nature of the targets Russia attacked today, but we’ll go on with other stuff about that later,'" Krauthammer said.Video at the link. By the Way: Note how easily Putin could have made this on Obama, had he chosen to. He could have bombed ISIS positions for a week, establishing goodwill, then turned to his real targets, the American-backed Free Syrian Army. Obama could have then spluttered something about "a lot of good" having been done already, and taking the good with the bad. But Putin does not think that Obama warrants that minimal level of face-saving. Or that America is owed even that little bit of face-saving. No, he wants us to know what he's doing, and he wants us to know it because he knows then that we have little choice but to accept it, and even endorse it-- so long as this crew of effeminate sybarites is command of the US military and intelligence forces.
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(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at October 01, 2015 12:29 PM (WDySP)
Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at October 01, 2015 12:29 PM (WDySP)
Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at October 01, 2015 12:29 PM (WDySP)
Posted by: Dept. of Made Up Shit at October 01, 2015 12:30 PM (7rAXc)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 01, 2015 12:31 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 01, 2015 12:31 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Methos at October 01, 2015 12:31 PM (ZbV+0)
I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 01, 2015 12:32 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 01, 2015 12:32 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: f2000 at October 01, 2015 12:33 PM (5xwgn)
Exactly what I have been saying for the last year. The game was always being played at the UN not the US Congress. Once the UN voted for the deal the Russians were free to start planning with their proxy, Iran, and help turn them loose in the Middle East.
This is the flexibility Obama was talking about giving Russia.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 01, 2015 12:33 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Secretary of Steak - Horseface at October 01, 2015 12:33 PM (0dcbp)
Posted by: jwest at October 01, 2015 12:33 PM (Zs4uk)
Posted by: theCork at October 01, 2015 12:33 PM (/NUys)
Posted by: Lauren at October 01, 2015 12:33 PM (yJUoa)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 01, 2015 12:33 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 01, 2015 12:33 PM (kff5f)
1. Obama is such a narcissist that he assumed he could control the Russians
2. Obama is a Russian agent and is just putting on a good show
3. Obama is an idiot and thought it would turn out his way
4. 1 and 3 or 2 and 3.
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at October 01, 2015 12:33 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: donna at October 01, 2015 12:33 PM (hUdMz)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 01, 2015 12:34 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: TallDave at October 01, 2015 12:34 PM (/s1LA)
Posted by: zombie at October 01, 2015 12:34 PM (jBuUi)
So bad actors from Iran, VagISIL, and Russia, to name three, are rushing to fill that vacuum.
Sept 30, 1938 was the Munich Agreement that dismembered Czechoslovakia much like PP does babies. 11 months later it was Poland and the world was at war.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2015 12:34 PM (WOKpd)
Posted by: Insomniac at October 01, 2015 12:34 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Barky McFuckstick at October 01, 2015 12:35 PM (hf9qu)
Posted by: 2008 election at October 01, 2015 12:35 PM (ucB75)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 01, 2015 12:35 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: An Inanimate Carbon Rod at October 01, 2015 12:35 PM (FohCt)
Posted by: zombie at October 01, 2015 12:35 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 01, 2015 12:35 PM (PJ0bc)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 01, 2015 12:35 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at October 01, 2015 12:36 PM (0O7c5)
What's the point of perpetuating that BS fantasy?
Posted by: Motorhead at October 01, 2015 12:36 PM (nHscM)
Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at October 01, 2015 12:36 PM (WDySP)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2015 12:37 PM (WOKpd)
Mahmoud Ahmedinejad just phoned in to condemn Obama's extreme agenda.
Posted by: Mortimer at October 01, 2015 12:37 PM (0dcbp)
Putin: "Bwahahaha! What is lube you speak of?"
Obama: "ARRRRRRGHHHH!!!"
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at October 01, 2015 12:37 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Lauren at October 01, 2015 12:37 PM (yJUoa)
I know only a bit about what the Secret Service advance team does to prepare for a Presidential visit. To try to hide those preparations before meeting someone whose entire security detail is extremely twitchy and paranoid would be a nightmare.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 01, 2015 12:37 PM (jhqr1)
Posted by: theCork at October 01, 2015 12:37 PM (/NUys)
These bureaucrats are more focused on giving every fag in the Defense department a high level position, actually dealing with defense matters is a waste of time.
Posted by: Ben H at October 01, 2015 12:37 PM (gJEsZ)
Posted by: mallfly at October 01, 2015 12:37 PM (qSIlh)
Meh. It's TFG's world, we're just spectators. I'm past being embarrassed as I didn't vote for this shit sandwich, but I do wonder how his supporters like the flavor.
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 01, 2015 12:37 PM (gyKtp)
I'm not sure that's right. They're the best equipped group, but also much smaller, I think, than ISIS. Both of which lend some military reasoning for going after them first. And given our current presidents quality of character, Putin can be assured of walking Obama into reacting how he wants. I expect that Putin, aside from wanting to offer something openly embarrassing, also thinks this will give the US reason to bail on it's strategy of arming those groups. Weaken and eliminate them, and largely the US, then he can turn to the longer game which is ISIS.
Posted by: f2000 at October 01, 2015 12:38 PM (5xwgn)
I thought there were only 9 of them, but yes they were all beheaded.
Posted by: Lauren at October 01, 2015 12:38 PM (yJUoa)
But what if the CinC effectively commands the military NOT to defend the U.S.?
Grounds for impeachment, of course. But "off the table" and stuff.
Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at October 01, 2015 12:38 PM (SCcgT)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 01, 2015 12:38 PM (eeTCA)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 01, 2015 12:38 PM (PJ0bc)
Next comes the strongly worded letter...
Posted by: donna at October 01, 2015 12:38 PM (hUdMz)
soon-to-be puppet regime (well, soon-to-be-again) survives and *not* to
support US interests?
Just so someone has asked, how exactly is toppling Assad in the US national interest?
I mean I get that obama and his supporters have a sad because he didn't just walk away from his country and leave his people to be slaughtered by ISIS and its buddies.
I don't get how removing Assad makes me A) more free or B) more prosperous.
Posted by: Methos at October 01, 2015 12:38 PM (ZbV+0)
1. Obama is such a narcissist that he assumed he could control the Russians
2. Obama is a Russian agent and is just putting on a good show
3. Obama is an idiot and thought it would turn out his way
4. 1 and 3 or 2 and 3.
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at October 01, 2015 12:33 PM (RD7QR)
How about #5 (maybe should be #3a): he doesn't care about this, thinking it has no bearing on him personally, and lacks the intelligence to grasp why that's not true?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 01, 2015 12:38 PM (oKE6c)
Percentage of Americans who even know who "Assad" is: 0.01%
Percent of Americans who could find Syria on a map: 0.003%
Extent to which the average America can distinguish between any of the groups battling it out in Syria: Nil.
Posted by: zombie at October 01, 2015 12:38 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: Putin at October 01, 2015 12:38 PM (xwPSp)
Posted by: Mortimer at October 01, 2015 12:38 PM (0dcbp)
Why? Did the Russian bombs miss or something?
You know, if Romney campaigned on a platform of playing all the various clips of things he predicted would happen that have happened and then ended it with "I'm Mitt Romney and I fucking told you so", I may be forced to vote for him.
Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at October 01, 2015 12:39 PM (mf5HN)
It used to be very much on people's minds which is why Republicans dominated the Executive Branch Post WWII, but now it's all about the Gheys, Birth Control, and Binders Full of Women.
I tend to be more of an isolationist, especially since we just don't seem to have the will anymore to see things through, but it does amaze me how Obama has put the world in flames and nobody gives a shit.
Posted by: Coolio at October 01, 2015 12:39 PM (YUZPR)
Posted by: Kim Jong Il at October 01, 2015 12:39 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 01, 2015 12:39 PM (LUgeY)
The other thing Putin might be interested in--by "accidentally" bombing civilians is refugees continue to flow into and destabilize The Balkans.
Germany almost has to take them on because you do not want The Balkans collapsing snd you want the coastal areas to be stable.
Now --Putin could overplay this and actually motivate the EU to do more against him---but--that's questionable.
Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 01, 2015 12:39 PM (mcm0N)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 01, 2015 12:39 PM (LUgeY)
Opulence. He has it.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 01, 2015 12:40 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at October 01, 2015 12:37 PM (RD7QR)
Leading with his behind.
Posted by: theCork at October 01, 2015 12:40 PM (/NUys)
Posted by: mallfly at October 01, 2015 12:40 PM (qSIlh)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 01, 2015 12:40 PM (rwI+c)
Hasn't Russia been buzzing the US mainland with strategic bombers for a few years now? With no response from us?
Posted by: bonhomme at October 01, 2015 12:40 PM (jhqr1)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 01, 2015 12:40 PM (PJ0bc)
"Mom finds 800 rounds of ammo in Toys 'R' Us package"
And I'm thinkin' SCORE!
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at October 01, 2015 12:40 PM (Wo9OY)
Good times, good times.
History will note this as the Syrian Jet-Fighter Castration.
Posted by: zombie at October 01, 2015 12:40 PM (jBuUi)
hrow any employer using illegals into PMITA prison.
Why do people think measures this harsh are necessary or even achievable.
Just tell them they have to fire the illegals, sooner or later the rehire costs will deliver the message. E-verify should move the liability to the .gov where it belongs.
Posted by: DaveA at October 01, 2015 12:40 PM (DL2i+)
Well. now it's official.
Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at October 01, 2015 12:40 PM (mheYt)
It's all designed to make our retard-in-chief look brilliant.
The hell with the middle east. Obama fucked it up so bad, it's unfixable unless measured in terms like megaton.
Posted by: se pa moron at October 01, 2015 12:41 PM (sI4OA)
Posted by: steevy at October 01, 2015 12:41 PM (sPO3u)
Posted by: mallfly at October 01, 2015 12:41 PM (qSIlh)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 01, 2015 12:41 PM (PJ0bc)
Posted by: Lauren at October 01, 2015 12:37 PM (yJUoa)
______________________
Putin could nuke NY, DC, LA, and Chicago and Obama wouldn't do jack shit.
He's a f*cking idiot, and a cowardly p*ssy in the bargain.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at October 01, 2015 12:41 PM (a31sM)
I'm not sure I can distinguish them, honestly, or that they really can distiguish themselves.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 01, 2015 12:41 PM (88fBD)
But, but, but Obama was mean-girling Putin at the UN luncheon on Monday. Gave Putin his super-icy stare, y'all!!
I don't understand how Putin didn't get the message that Obama will *not* be messed with.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 01, 2015 12:41 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 01, 2015 12:41 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: Emperor Clusterfuck I at October 01, 2015 12:41 PM (YFFpo)
The tiny giraffe has bigger nutz than Gaylord.
*proffers to the Empress some Girl Scout Thin Mint cookies and a tall glass of milk*
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2015 12:41 PM (WOKpd)
Posted by: Pledge Obama at October 01, 2015 12:41 PM (4dGLL)
Admiral Josh Painter: This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.
Posted by: BuckIV at October 01, 2015 12:42 PM (mE/ao)
Percentage of Americans who even know who "Assad" is: 0.01%
Percent of Americans who could find Syria on a map: 0.003%
Extent to which the average America can distinguish between any of the groups battling it out in Syria: Nil.
Posted by: zombie at October 01, 2015 12:38 PM (jBuUi)
They're not concerned until and unless someone threatens the Brawndo supply.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 01, 2015 12:42 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 01, 2015 12:42 PM (xq1UY)
Posted by: Chupacabras at October 01, 2015 12:42 PM (XiVKO)
That's important when you consider the vast air armada ISIS possesses. You don't want to mistake an American strike aircraft for an Islamic State one.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 01, 2015 12:42 PM (rwI+c)
"Mom finds 800 rounds of ammo in Toys 'R' Us package"
And I'm thinkin' SCORE!
Posted by: AshevilleRobert at October 01, 2015 12:40 PM (Wo9OY)
Oh hell yes. If it's 22LR she's sitting on a gold mine.
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at October 01, 2015 12:42 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 01, 2015 12:42 PM (mcm0N)
Posted by: Lizzy at October 01, 2015 12:42 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: steevy at October 01, 2015 12:41 PM (sPO3u)
Yep, and I for one am sick and fucking tired of that bullshit myth that Hitler was "right wing."
Posted by: Insomniac at October 01, 2015 12:42 PM (2Ojst)
Glad that Obama is more flexible now.
Posted by: Chicago VOta at October 01, 2015 12:42 PM (N4yjS)
Posted by: zombie at October 01, 2015 12:42 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: steevy at October 01, 2015 12:42 PM (sPO3u)
Posted by: Greg at October 01, 2015 12:42 PM (pft1/)
Posted by: donna at October 01, 2015 12:43 PM (hUdMz)
Posted by: Reggie Love at October 01, 2015 12:43 PM (9qvXj)
Posted by: "Syrian" "Refugee" at October 01, 2015 12:43 PM (r9mDd)
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And he wants the rest of the world to know it.
Posted by: SH at October 01, 2015 12:43 PM (gmeXX)
Oh, I don't think that it is. Whether or not it is actually in our best interests, it is certainly in "our" stated interests (that is: US Policy has publicly declared support for the rebels).
I don't think Russia cares one way or another about our best interests - Putin knows that Americans have never been the aggressive imperialists our own Prog-tards have accused us of being, and that he has nothing to fear from us, really.
However, I do think Russia (and Putin in particular) do care a great deal about harming our stated interests - proving us in the eyes of the world to be feckless and impotent.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at October 01, 2015 12:43 PM (kff5f)
Barry and Co. are evil personified.
Posted by: GBruno at October 01, 2015 12:43 PM (u49WF)
He can get elected.
And fundamentally change the U.S.
And pee in your Wheaties.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at October 01, 2015 12:43 PM (4nmNX)
has McCain walked back his "you have nothing to fear from an Obama administration" opinion yet?
Posted by: mallfly at October 01, 2015 12:41 PM (qSIlh)
funny you should ask....i confronted him about it back in april.....he claims he never said that....he claims....he was talking about the scoamf being a muslim......he was upset i asked the question....i've sent him the video proving he is now lying about what his answer meant....
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at October 01, 2015 12:43 PM (0O7c5)
I don't understand how Putin didn't get the message that Obama will *not* be messed with.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 01, 2015 12:41 PM (NOIQH)
Obama's gotta go all in. Yes, it's a serious sanction, but this situation calls for it, and Putin has brought this on himself, and left us no choice.
Obama's got to threaten not to sign Putin's yearbook.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 01, 2015 12:44 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 01, 2015 12:37 PM (gyKtp)
His supporters, such as they are, either blame this on BOOOSH and the GOP, if they're even aware of recent developments. The supporters who aren't aware are too busy sexting, tweeting, flying the Gaystapo flag or streaming over the border to give a shit.
Even if, by some miracle, Teh Donald should win, we're too far gone to be fixed.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 01, 2015 12:44 PM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Putin at October 01, 2015 12:44 PM (xwPSp)
Posted by: se pa moron
______________________
That's how I've felt since Iraq. I honestly believed a better way would flourish there once the strongmen were overthrown. Nope.
You're dealing with people that are not interested in the same things we are, and we can't change them.
So let the place go up in flames and we'll keep fracking for our energy. It's going to be this way forever, not willing to spill blood and treasure over it.
Posted by: Coolio at October 01, 2015 12:44 PM (YUZPR)
be here. And I for one welcome our new Communist overlords. I'd like to
remind them that as a trusted politician and government official, I can be helpful in
rounding up others to toil in their underground uranium caves."
Posted by: Secretary of Steak - Horseface at October 01, 2015 12:44 PM (0dcbp)
The tiny giraffe has bigger nutz than Gaylord.
*proffers to the Empress some Girl Scout Thin Mint cookies and a tall glass of milk*
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2015 12:41 PM (WOKpd)
Still buying abortion cookies?
Posted by: Insomniac at October 01, 2015 12:44 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: mallfly at October 01, 2015 12:44 PM (qSIlh)
Posted by: Mortimer at October 01, 2015 12:38 PM (0dcbp)
Just so. #WrongSideOfHistory
Posted by: Secretary of Flexibility Kerry at October 01, 2015 12:44 PM (/NUys)
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at October 01, 2015 12:45 PM (PFy0L)
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I only care in that I don't want the rest of the world to think we are pushovers, but nothing we can do about that until 2016.
Posted by: SH at October 01, 2015 12:45 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 01, 2015 12:45 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: donna at October 01, 2015 12:45 PM (hUdMz)
Glad that Obama is more flexible now.
Posted by: Chicago VOta at October 01, 2015 12:42 PM (N4yjS)
Makes grabbing his ankles that much easier.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 01, 2015 12:45 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2015 12:45 PM (WOKpd)
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 01, 2015 12:45 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: wooga at October 01, 2015 12:45 PM (4dGLL)
Posted by: Methos at October 01, 2015 12:45 PM (ZbV+0)
Wasn't Russia flying in our Alaska airspace when Obama was there doing his photo op-and-Bear Gryills clownshow there in August?
Or was that China?
Posted by: Lizzy at October 01, 2015 12:45 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Mortimer at October 01, 2015 12:38 PM (0dcbp)
Just so. #WrongSideOfHistory
Posted by: Secretary of Flexibility Kerry at October 01, 2015 12:44 PM (/NUys)
#unprofessional
Posted by: Insomniac at October 01, 2015 12:45 PM (2Ojst)
But, but, but..... Vox said that Kerry was "spectacularly talented in behind-the-scenes negotiations".
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 01, 2015 12:45 PM (UBLhq)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 01, 2015 12:46 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Alex at October 01, 2015 12:46 PM (lDNRa)
They LOVE the flavor, and insist that you share it. Or else raaaacist.
Posted by: 2008 election at October 01, 2015 12:46 PM (ucB75)
Posted by: donna at October 01, 2015 12:46 PM (hUdMz)
Posted by: mallfly at October 01, 2015 12:46 PM (qSIlh)
President. Where does that leave the Democratic LGBA crowd, as probably
the candidate would be a Democrat..That would be interesting.
Posted by: Colin at October 01, 2015 12:46 PM (Espnc)
Actually the French, Aussies and Jordan were flying in the airspace--maybe even others.
Those are just the ones I remember right now.
Now is it a pretext just to get Russia's flight plans...possible.
But t right now--we have to sit back and take it.
The bureau-speak for that is--
"Wait to see what eventuates".
Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 01, 2015 12:46 PM (mcm0N)
Posted by: mallfly at October 01, 2015 12:41 PM (qSIlh)
Boy is that ever the campaign question that needs to be asked!
But won't be!
Posted by: Hrothgar at October 01, 2015 12:46 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2015 12:46 PM (WOKpd)
So he walked away from our allies and let Putin move forward with her allies, Iran, Syria and various Shia terror groups so that they could become the new power in the Middle East.
And yes, you damn well better care now that the world has agreed to give Iran and her terror partners access to nukes. It's not about Syria or even ISIS, it's about Iran and ultimately Russia. And we are losing.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 01, 2015 12:46 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2015 12:45 PM (WOKpd)
Yes, yes, I know. I tend to have a bit of a knee jerk on the subject of Girl Scout cookies.
Posted by: Insomniac at October 01, 2015 12:46 PM (2Ojst)
I believe they are suggesting that his anus is like buttah.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 01, 2015 12:46 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 01, 2015 12:46 PM (oDCMR)
And I'm thinkin' SCORE!"
$200.00 max.
Just bought 500rds of the same stuff myself last week.
500 rds was 34 pounds shipped.
Someone pull the UPS labels and see the weight of the box when accepted from Toys R us.
The original toy was far less then five pounds.
I'm betting that the weight of the box when accepted from Toys R Us was closer to five pounds then 45 pounds.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 01, 2015 12:47 PM (VPLuQ)
Posted by: Lizzy at October 01, 2015 12:47 PM (NOIQH)
XXOO
liberal psychopaths who care not because obama is still awesome, and that tape was edited.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at October 01, 2015 12:47 PM (Ojdnl)
I'm guessing it's whatever shipping company Toys R Us contracts out to that screwed up. I can't imagine TRU shares its warehouse with an ammo seller.
Oh hell yes. If it's 22LR she's sitting on a gold mine.
The picture in the USA Today article is of Sellier and Bellot 9mm. I like SandB for range ammo, it's always worked well for me.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 01, 2015 12:47 PM (jhqr1)
Your New Russian Overlords
Posted by: steevy at October 01, 2015 12:47 PM (sPO3u)
Posted by: Chicago Vota at October 01, 2015 12:47 PM (N4yjS)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 01, 2015 12:32 PM (oKE6c)
The short and very serious answer is no, Obama cannot do anything right. His is a worldview based upon false assumptions, a discredited ideology, and a sense of self-importance and grandiosity rivaling that of the long line of lead-poisoned Roman emperors prior to the Fall.
Every move Obama makes is predicated on vainglorious presumption.
Posted by: troyriser at October 01, 2015 12:47 PM (fnCax)
Posted by: model1066 at October 01, 2015 12:47 PM (uUMRM)
Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 01, 2015 12:47 PM (mcm0N)
Foley first kidnapped by Obama-funded moderate Free Syrian Army group
http://tinyurl.com/pc8e9sa
Posted by: Delurk Ergo Sum at October 01, 2015 12:47 PM (Q8y6V)
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I don't want to be there so long as he is CIC.
Posted by: SH at October 01, 2015 12:47 PM (gmeXX)
There are no US backed secular rebels. There are only US backed extremists thinly masqurading as secular while the US equipment keeps coming.
Posted by: f2000
Signed.
The myth of the RPG totin' moderate muslim.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at October 01, 2015 12:47 PM (kdS6q)
Did you see the bazoongas on that peccary? Babe is stacked.
Good bet those rounds were never in the toy store's warehouse. This is what can happen with remote-fulfillment. Just a wrong label stuck on.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at October 01, 2015 12:47 PM (xq1UY)
Scenario 1 -Russia never agreed to anything Obama said they agreed to. They just nodded politely as Obamababbled, then did whatever they hell they wanted.
Scenario 2 - Russia agreed, then listening to Obama bloviate and spin this as a big win decided to pull the rug out from under him. Easy layup on the president.
Ever notice that Obama spends most of his time on empty rhetoric? He doesn't, literally, know how to do anything else. He just talks and talks, and tries to find ways to make bad situation not sound so bad, as opposed to, you know, actually doing anything to fix the situation.
Posted by: George Orwell's Ghost at October 01, 2015 12:48 PM (FzvkV)
Obviously Horseface knows how to whinny behind the scenes.
If you know what I mean. Nudge nudge wink wink.
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2015 12:48 PM (WOKpd)
Posted by: Mr Wizard at October 01, 2015 12:48 PM (eOpVe)
In Russian parlance, Obama is a Winter Fool.
Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Dice at October 01, 2015 12:48 PM (IfSin)
Russia supplied missiles to shoot down that airliner, maybe some "rebels" in Syria end up shooting down some Russians? But Comrade Barrack would never allow that. Hopefully he will not be able to purge all the good men from our military before he leaves office .. but he is trying.
Posted by: Illiniwek at October 01, 2015 12:48 PM (I6695)
Cut! Jib!! Newsletter!!!
Posted by: Hrothgar at October 01, 2015 12:48 PM (ftVQq)
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I'd say they are playing checkers while Obama thinks he is playing dungeons and dragons.
Posted by: SH at October 01, 2015 12:49 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Vladimir at October 01, 2015 12:49 PM (fLKzW)
I'm guessing it's whatever shipping company Toys R Us contracts out to that screwed up.
I think it's safer just to assume it's a lie.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 01, 2015 12:49 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: steevy at October 01, 2015 12:50 PM (sPO3u)
Posted by: Yo! at October 01, 2015 12:50 PM (GwIKd)
Posted by: Jen the original at October 01, 2015 12:50 PM (rFdsN)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2015 12:48 PM (WOKpd)
Neigh! I seigh!
Posted by: J F Kerry at October 01, 2015 12:50 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 01, 2015 12:50 PM (VPLuQ)
I'm relieved that all the other problems have been solved.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 01, 2015 12:50 PM (LUgeY)
Posted by: Chicago Vota at October 01, 2015 12:50 PM (N4yjS)
Maybe all Obama and his folks wanted were Syrian 'fugees to invade Europe like DACA train II.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at October 01, 2015 12:51 PM (Ojdnl)
And making sure PP video dude can't get into Australia.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 01, 2015 12:51 PM (NOIQH)
He's going to be soooo angry when he hears about it, eventually; probably by it being on ESPN.
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 01, 2015 12:51 PM (gyKtp)
It is against the UN Mandate to attempt to overthrow a UN Member State, without a Security Council Resolution. There is no such resolution.
It is therefore, illegal under US Law, to arm and train the opponents of Assad, without at least some Congressional cover.
You can attempt to stretch the Use of Force for the War on Terror to cover Assad, by declaring him a Taliban supporter... but they are shooting at him... so kind of a tough stretch no matter what legal sophistry you use.
Vlad Putin, is bombing in support of a UN Member State, who has ASKED him to come in... and he got explicit permission from the Duma to intervene...
Its a very sad day, when the Russians follow the Law.... and we do not...
We are destroying any moral high ground on international Legal matters... we once had.
Posted by: BB Wolf at October 01, 2015 12:52 PM (qh617)
Posted by: SH at October 01, 2015 12:52 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 01, 2015 12:52 PM (PJ0bc)
Posted by: bonhomme at October 01, 2015 12:52 PM (jhqr1)
deal about harming our stated interests - proving us in the eyes of the
world to be feckless and impotent.
Considering obama got elected twice, I'd say it's pretty clear we are in fact feckless and impotent, at least as currently organized.
Posted by: Methos at October 01, 2015 12:52 PM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at October 01, 2015 12:53 PM (AC0lD)
Yep.
I'm still marveling at the news that they spent $500 million "training" - what? - 9 guys?
Where did the money really go? Who did they arm?
Posted by: Lizzy at October 01, 2015 12:53 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: brak at October 01, 2015 12:53 PM (xwPSp)
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2015 12:54 PM (WOKpd)
1. Barky's M.O. has been to be on the wrong side of every conflict in the Middle East. Every damned time. So calling the "secular" (yeah, riiiight) opponents to Assad "American allies" is stretching the truth a bit. If they are Barky's allies, they are enemies of America.
2. If Putin is concentrating a lot of his military assets into Syria, well, that's a good thing, IMHO. Probably reduces the risk of him taking a military adventure into the Baltics, or into Poland. I care about people in Poland, and in Latvia, and Lithuania, and Estonia. Syria? Iraq? Sorry, sports, I'm right out of fucks to give.
3. Given that Barky appointed the clowns at State, and the the clowns in the CIA, why are surprised when a clown show erupts?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 01, 2015 12:54 PM (0yhH4)
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Oh - the US - Russian relations were reset alright.
Posted by: SH at October 01, 2015 12:54 PM (gmeXX)
Ok, what is Turkey's position? They support Assad? Or not? Or they just want their borders secure and not being over run by panic mobs of homeless people?
Or they want in on the game if they can crush the Kurds, especially the PKK?
Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at October 01, 2015 12:54 PM (mheYt)
has McCain walked back his "you have nothing to fear from an Obama administration" opinion yet?
Posted by: mallfly at October 01, 2015 12:41 PM (qSIlh)
funny you should ask....i confronted him about it back in april.....he claims he never said that....he claims....he was talking about the scoamf being a muslim......he was upset i asked the question....i've sent him the video proving he is now lying about what his answer meant....
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at October 01, 2015 12:43 PM (0O7c5)
Send it to his primary opponent.
Posted by: Rex Ryan at October 01, 2015 12:55 PM (zt+N6)
Uh, Ukraine would like a word with you.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 01, 2015 12:55 PM (/tuJf)
-actual quote from the idiot-in-chief
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In a sane world, that one quote would have done him in. Not just because it is wrong, but because it is so childish. Oh well.
Posted by: SH at October 01, 2015 12:55 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: buzzion at October 01, 2015 12:55 PM (zt+N6)
PS: I'm super conservative, just like Reagan
Posted by: Trumpet Daddy at October 01, 2015 12:55 PM (0LHZx)
Joe's Law: Trolls believe none of the things they post.
Joe's Corollary: Your disgust is their oxygen.
Joe's Conjecture: All trolls are Average Joe.
Joe's Tautology: Average Joe sucks cock by choice.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 01, 2015 12:55 PM (rwI+c)
Probably. But it's such an odd lie. Does TRU have a sibling company that sells ammo? If not, how is this supposed to reflect badly on TRU? Obviously they don't sell ammo in any capacity, so I don't get how the scam is supposed to work.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 01, 2015 12:56 PM (jhqr1)
Don't know who is worse, russians or pedophiles.
Oh wait they are the same...
Posted by: Jacob's Step Stool at October 01, 2015 12:56 PM (VNgld)
Hey Boris Sonovabich, what time is it over there?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 01, 2015 12:56 PM (LUgeY)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 01, 2015 12:56 PM (PJ0bc)
Bombing looks like Putin is interested in controlling access--space--Eastern Mediterranean.
Turkey---had an effect on Belarus elections--hell some of the polling places ....anyways Erdogan made a visit to Belarus and this might have been "concerning" Putin.
Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 01, 2015 12:56 PM (mcm0N)
Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Dice at October 01, 2015 12:57 PM (IfSin)
deal about harming our stated interests - proving us in the eyes of the
world to be feckless and impotent.
Is there anybody in the world who is in doubt about this? There are natives in Borneo sporting G-strings and bones through their noses who are well aware of this fact.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 01, 2015 12:57 PM (oKE6c)
I agreed with Krauthammer and O'Reilly last night (shocker). They maintained that the Generals need to resign in protest. Their hands are tied. They are watching our men and women be placed into dangerous situations again and again (never enough support, and no actual policy or plan).
I guess it is unprecedented for Generals to quit in protest. But, it's time. Stop covering up for our own destruction. You have no loyalty to this idiot in charge.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 01, 2015 12:57 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 01, 2015 12:57 PM (oKE6c)
And in the Castro District, but I digress...
Posted by: Insomniac at October 01, 2015 12:57 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Liker of Arts and Stuff at October 01, 2015 12:58 PM (RwwCT)
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 01, 2015 12:58 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 01, 2015 12:58 PM (PJ0bc)
exactly, this president has done so much to lower the dignity of the office, with his fawning sycophants in the media along for the ride
Posted by: brak at October 01, 2015 12:58 PM (xwPSp)
Wonder who's "friend" got a big chunk of change for the "burn kits" they are now stock piling.
And where will that money be laundered to.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 01, 2015 12:58 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at October 01, 2015 12:58 PM (rwI+c)
1. Barky's M.O. has been to be on the wrong side
of every conflict in the Middle East. Every damned time. So calling the
"secular" (yeah, riiiight) opponents to Assad "American allies" is
stretching the truth a bit. If they are Barky's allies, they are enemies
of America.
2. If Putin is concentrating a lot of his military assets into
Syria, well, that's a good thing, IMHO. Probably reduces the risk of him
taking a military adventure into the Baltics, or into Poland. I care about people in Poland, and in Latvia, and Lithuania, and Estonia. Syria? Iraq? Sorry, sports, I'm right out of fucks to give.
3. Given that Barky appointed the clowns at State, and the the clowns in the CIA, why are surprised when a clown show erupts?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 01, 2015 12:54 PM (0yhH4)
But at least we now have a fabulous Secretary of the Army.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 01, 2015 12:59 PM (oKE6c)
Your New Russian Overlords
Posted by: steevy at October 01, 2015 12:47 PM (sPO3u)
Russia's national debt is only 11% of GDP...
Ours is well north of 100%... with the Fed Res Bank sitting on 4 TRILLION dollars (about 1/4 of GDP...)...
Russia is energy independent... and while its industrial base is substandard by US technical standards.... is still in Russia, and has not been exported to other countries...
Sadly, they are in a pretty good financial position for the upcoming banking collapse.
Posted by: BB Wolf at October 01, 2015 12:59 PM (qh617)
Posted by: Insomniac at October 01, 2015 12:59 PM (2Ojst)
Obama could be right about one thing--
The Cold War--could--be over.
Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 01, 2015 12:59 PM (mcm0N)
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 01, 2015 12:58 PM (oDCMR
Probably has some iron in it.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 01, 2015 12:59 PM (Z58Xa)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 01, 2015 12:57 PM (qCMvj)
Given Obama's purge of the flag officers they probably do owe their loyalty to Obama. These generals are just political tools, nothing more.
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at October 01, 2015 12:59 PM (RD7QR)
I think I see the problem.
Basically, you are NOT an idiot.
An idiot will read the story, and accept unquestioningly the idea that laws to require ammo registration would prevent children from getting live ammunition sent to them by Toys R Us accidentally.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 01, 2015 12:59 PM (VPLuQ)
And where will that money be laundered to.
Relative of somebody in DC, probably in the WH itself.
Back to the DNC.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 01, 2015 01:00 PM (LUgeY)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 01, 2015 01:00 PM (oEDuY)
The left always believed that the USSR etc wanted "peaceful coexistence" and were mostly obsessed with the idea that the US endlessly needed to prove to the Reds that we wanted it, too. Anyone recall the excuse making about a place called (if I remember t correctly) Krasnoyarsk?
Posted by: mallfly at October 01, 2015 01:00 PM (qSIlh)
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But their demographic position leaves a lot to be desired.
Posted by: SH at October 01, 2015 01:00 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 01, 2015 12:57 PM (qCMvj)
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You're forgetting that Obama stacked the military with his own yes men over the past 7 years.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 01, 2015 01:00 PM (0LHZx)
I think many of them would fold, but McCain's a very odd duck on this count. He will gladly lap Reid's balls like a puppy, but he's itching for a fight, any fight against a foreign enemy. So that's my example of how an R would stand up to Putin.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 01, 2015 01:01 PM (jhqr1)
It's a serious question.
For his interest, he's Spot-On. The Moron Nation, America, and the free world...not so much!
Posted by: Paladin at October 01, 2015 01:01 PM (WujO7)
(Zut Alors! Sarcasm alert!)
Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at October 01, 2015 01:01 PM (MgGKt)
Do I care? Nope.
Frankly, I hope Putin and his Iranian buddies go toe-to-toe with ISIS and Al Nusra Front.
Nothing like sitting back and watching two competing enemies of yours pound each other.
Posted by: MacGruber at October 01, 2015 01:01 PM (C278+)
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The Kenyan in the WH has delusions of adequacy. Doesn't make Putin Napoleon, just normal.
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 01, 2015 01:01 PM (oDCMR)
Hell, just a week ago our military guy in charge of arming and training these "rebels" said they had only had 5 men in the field.
And F the CIA too.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 01, 2015 01:01 PM (LXJ1e)
Posted by: JohnJ at October 01, 2015 01:01 PM (TF/YA)
I hope you offer Jeb! and Cruz a chance to appear as well; Jeb! mainly so we can laugh at his answers.
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 01, 2015 01:01 PM (gyKtp)
Uh, Ukraine would like a word with you.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 01, 2015 12:55
So would all those passengers on Malaysian airplane shot down. But, hey whats some dead 3rd worlders shot down by the Russians.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 01, 2015 01:02 PM (Z58Xa)
I wouldn't be surprised to see Russia take out a US plane, and then hear limpwrist apologize to Russia.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 01, 2015 01:00 PM (oEDuY)
Jeebus. I've been thinking the same thing.
And pray for our troops on the ground.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 01, 2015 01:02 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: Bigby's Fistful of Dice at October 01, 2015 01:02 PM (IfSin)
Posted by: Delurk Ergo Sum at October 01, 2015 01:02 PM (Q8y6V)
I thought the same thing last night.
They aren't even attempting to play those political games.
It is in your face aggression.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 01, 2015 01:02 PM (qCMvj)
"The left has never seen Russia as a threat - never will."
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No, they saw them as their ally against Western Civilization.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 01, 2015 01:03 PM (oEDuY)
Posted by: Sergey Lavrov at October 01, 2015 01:03 PM (OiFtZ)
extremists thinly masqurading as secular while the US equipment keeps
coming.
Now closely followed by Russian Bunker Busters...the deal didn't work out too well for them...RIP.
Posted by: Paladin at October 01, 2015 01:03 PM (WujO7)
Posted by: Paul Krugman at October 01, 2015 01:03 PM (LISuA)
This all could have been avoided if we had simply come out and backed and armed the heck out of a Kurdish state in parts of Syria and Iraq and therefore we would have some major leverage. Instead we wanted to be "inclusive" and listen to the Saudis and Turks...two useless allies who have spent most of their time stabbing us in the back.
Remember this is the same CIA who thought it was cool to help Libyan rebels, the same guys who bumped off our embassy, etc.
Russia now has taken the opportunity to win a victory due to our own incompetence and support for FSA...a group that was going nowhere, and if it did would not exactly set up a government that America would like.
Posted by: William Eaton at October 01, 2015 01:03 PM (q52Ma)
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Same here, as I enjoyed the Carly one - and hope for more. He reminded me why I have always liked him. Unfortunately, you don't hear as much from him as I wish we should. I hope he gets the same Carly bounce.
Posted by: SH at October 01, 2015 01:03 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: SH
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Agreed, we have a childish, juvenile electorate and we get the leaders we deserve.
Can you imagine such a response from a sitting President 30 years ago regarding a debate about Russia?
Posted by: Coolio at October 01, 2015 01:03 PM (YUZPR)
I think it's safer just to assume it's a lie.
Probably. But it's such an odd lie. Does TRU have a sibling company that sells ammo? If not, how is this supposed to reflect badly on TRU? Obviously they don't sell ammo in any capacity, so I don't get how the scam is supposed to work.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 01, 2015 12:56 PM (jhqr1)
I think it's related to the failed lawsuit against Lucky Gunner and the attorney's fees that the Brady's and the victim's family are now on the hook for. You see, LG doesn't keep their stock in their own warehouse, they use a remote warehousing service. Around the time the lawsuit was filed, there was a long magazine article floating around that revealed this fact.
TRU isn't the target, it's just an attempt to get ammo out of these remote thirdparty warehousing services.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 01, 2015 01:03 PM (UBLhq)
1. Drop pants.
2. Grab ankles.
3. Back slowly toward enemy.
Ding--- What is standard leftist foreign policy, Alex?
Posted by: irright at October 01, 2015 01:03 PM (zxnPQ)
Off to the googles!
Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at October 01, 2015 12:42 PM (mcm0N)
The crews of sybmarines. Geeze, some people here....
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 01, 2015 01:04 PM (0yhH4)
Interesting. That seems like a reasonable scenario.
Thanks for the compliment as well.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 01, 2015 01:04 PM (jhqr1)
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at October 01, 2015 01:05 PM (4nmNX)
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I honestly think the Left was more agitated at Russia over the ghey shit then they were the entire Cold War, Gulags, Death Camps, Cuban missile crisis, etc.
Posted by: Coolio at October 01, 2015 01:05 PM (YUZPR)
How about that AoSHQ! Commentary and all the popcorn trimmings in one, easy-to-shop space!
Posted by: MTF at October 01, 2015 01:05 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: Delurk Ergo Sum at October 01, 2015 01:05 PM (Q8y6V)
It was a sad and pathetic attempt to save face -- and he had to resort to complicated terminology to say it, because if he had used clear language, like "Russia shouldn't bomb our allies by mistake," LAVROV MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE CONTRADICTED HIM TO HIS BOTOXED FACE AND TOLD HIM IT WAS NO MISTAKE, LIVE, RIGHT THERE ON TV
Posted by: ace at October 01, 2015 01:06 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at October 01, 2015 01:00 PM (0LHZx)
To some extent, but O'Reilly and CK were talking about Generals who they have talked to (or heard through whoever) about how frustrated they are. JEF didn't purge all of them. From what O and CK were saying, there are still a lot out there who are truly afraid/frustrated.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 01, 2015 01:06 PM (qCMvj)
Note.... am I a Russian apologist? Shit.... I spent literally years at sea during the Cold War chasing these bastards...
My problem is that WE are not even trying to follow international treaties in what we are doing... nor even our OWN damn laws...
And THAT will come back and bite us on the ass.
You cannot trust who do not follow the very rules THEY tried to impose on others.... and without trust, you do not have FAITHFUL Allies...
Posted by: BB Wolf at October 01, 2015 01:07 PM (qh617)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 01, 2015 01:08 PM (W5DcG)
We both noted that Kerry looked nervous. Twitching, fussing with his jacket.
What he needs is a nice, relaxing long bike ride. Or a relaxing cruise on his yacht.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 01, 2015 01:08 PM (FsuaD)
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If true, and I'm sure it is. Perhaps we should shrink the military. Cut some of these jobs. I don't Obama leading any men into battle, so let's not give him the resources.
Posted by: SH at October 01, 2015 01:08 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Baboo the Occelot at October 01, 2015 01:08 PM (vDEpI)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 01, 2015 01:08 PM (oEDuY)
Posted by: Barky I - CinC Bitchez! at October 01, 2015 01:09 PM (so+oy)
Posted by: Boss Moss at October 01, 2015 01:09 PM (PJ0bc)
Syria has long been a client state of Russia,
it's only a wonder Putin waited this long seeing how
ineffectual Obama has been.
Secondly, these secular rebels are no such thing,
Lol, they are lesser Islamists than ISIS,
no great loss to having the Russians take them out
before they go genocidal on the Christians.
This has long been in the Assad playbook,
let ISIS wreck their destruction and either the
Russians or the West would eventually remove them
in time from Syria.
But first, the bigger threat to Assad's regime were these other
Islamist groups, so this all seems to be going according to plan
and Assad will hold on and recapture a goodly amount of
Syrian territory as well as purging the hostile Sunnis from
Syria at the same time, and the Russians act as a count-balancing
force to too much Iranian expansionism in Syria - sure Assad
requires the Iranians hel, but he want to continue the dominance of
his Alawites.
Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 01, 2015 01:09 PM (f4A8O)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 01, 2015 01:09 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: ZBBMcFate at October 01, 2015 01:10 PM (Hj9yW)
Now THAT makes sense to me. I like this theory. If ammo retailers are forced to have their own warehouses, they can't cost share. That means their overhead costs rise. This puts small ammo retailers out of business. When you have fewer players, you increase cost to consumer, and it also gives the anti 2nd-ers fewer, and fatter targets to focus on.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 01, 2015 01:10 PM (jhqr1)
Putin has just drafted 150 k troops
Iran says its ready to roll into Syria
and the "allies" that the CIA was grooming are, in part, the Al Nusra Front
thats what our press calls them. The Al Nusra Front
because their proper name is Al Qaeda in Syria or Al Qaeda in the Levant
I have zero fucks to give about Syria other than I think we should build a wall around it and kill anyone who tries to leave at this point
what I loathe is how weak we have been revealed to be. That guarantees this will come home to us
Posted by: ThunderB, Team Let Them Fight at October 01, 2015 01:10 PM (zOTsN)
She can't figure out how to turn her phones ringer on just like ever other crazy lady at the old folks home.....
Posted by: Yo! at October 01, 2015 01:10 PM (GwIKd)
Time to thin the herd. Retire a few of these admirals and generals. Particularly the political ones.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 01, 2015 01:10 PM (FsuaD)
Russia could reclaim
shit.
There, FIFY.
Posted by: Paladin at October 01, 2015 01:10 PM (WujO7)
Posted by: admiral marcus at October 01, 2015 01:11 PM (0u/CC)
Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 01, 2015 01:11 PM (f4A8O)
I did not take your previous remarks as apologizing for the Russians. I read them as you intended; an attack on Obama's illegal war in Syria. The contrast was startling.
and I'm reminded that I need to add popcorn, coconut oil, and cheese powder to my shopping list.
Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at October 01, 2015 01:11 PM (mheYt)
Posted by: SH
........
That's OK.. the new all-gay military is too busy in the barracks to be fighting battles, IYKWIMAITYD..
Posted by: Barky I - CinC Bitchez! at October 01, 2015 01:11 PM (so+oy)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 01, 2015 01:11 PM (so+oy)
Son finally got his orders out of Guam, now that its a new fiscal year, and no threat of a shutdown...
Only 3 F'n months late.... /facepalm
Posted by: BB Wolf at October 01, 2015 01:11 PM (qh617)
Barack Obama is the Mahdi.
And we're in the middle of Year Seven of the Mahdi's Seven-Year Rule.
Things are going to get unspeakably ugly in 2016.
Posted by: Hikaru at October 01, 2015 01:11 PM (XMDuf)
Translation: It does appear that my penis was in an area close to your mouth. That something may or may not have happened is no longer relevant. To me, anyways.
Gotta light?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 01, 2015 01:11 PM (LUgeY)
If you ever wondered what it was like to be alive in Chamberlain's Britain around the time of Munich, now you know.
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Spot on. The problem is, we don't have a Churchill waiting in the wings.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 01, 2015 01:12 PM (oEDuY)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at October 01, 2015 01:12 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 01, 2015 01:12 PM (gyKtp)
And if America and its allies can be brought low all the better because the crusades.
This is what happens when you let your ideological enemies attack you all day without responding in kind.
You think the Donald would put up with Nancy Pelosi and the other fucktards in the Donk party attacking him day in and day out?
Hell no!
Posted by: Kreplach at October 01, 2015 01:12 PM (3E5qk)
How about we get Rick Perry for the next one, just for fun.
Posted by: jwest at October 01, 2015 01:13 PM (Zs4uk)
Posted by: Valiant at October 01, 2015 01:13 PM (2bqlb)
Posted by: James Taylor at October 01, 2015 01:13 PM (NB7me)
Posted by: Yo! at October 01, 2015 01:13 PM (GwIKd)
Posted by: lurkingestlurker at October 01, 2015 01:13 PM (k8xvx)
I'm having a nervous breakdown, Drive me insane!
Throw medals over fence
(Insert Guitar Lead)
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 01, 2015 01:13 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 01, 2015 12:57 PM (oKE6c)
Pfffft. We got iPads, now.
Posted by: Nose-bone Borneo Guy texting furiously at October 01, 2015 01:13 PM (7rAXc)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 01, 2015 01:13 PM (FsuaD)
Posted by: steevy at October 01, 2015 01:14 PM (sPO3u)
Spot on. The problem is, we don't have a Churchill waiting in the wings.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 01, 2015 01:12 PM (oEDuY
Da Fuq!!!!????
Posted by: Smokin' Joe Biden
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 01, 2015 01:14 PM (Z58Xa)
Uh, Ukraine would like a word with you.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 01, 2015 12:55 PM (/tuJf)
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If you recall, a pro-Russian politician won a valid election for President of the Ukraine. People protested and with the backing and agitation of the US he was forced out of office. THAT stated the whole mess in the Ukraine.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 01, 2015 01:14 PM (LXJ1e)
Ted Cruz seems a bit Churchillian to me. He's wickedly smart, pisses a lot of people off, including his own side, he's fiercely loyal to the country's heritage, gives a great off the cuff speech, etc.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 01, 2015 01:14 PM (jhqr1)
Posted by: Barack Obama at October 01, 2015 01:14 PM (N4yjS)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at
Him and the other 6th grade girls in this administration
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 01, 2015 01:14 PM (Z58Xa)
Syria has long been a client state of Russia,
it's only a wonder Putin waited this long seeing how
ineffectual Obama has been.
............
naahh.. Putin waited until now because Obama is a lame duck who is not going to risk his "legacy" on getting into another war.
Barky will continue to ignore pretty much as much as he can of what is going on in the world until the day he and Reggie can go riding off into the sunset.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 01, 2015 01:14 PM (so+oy)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 01, 2015 01:15 PM (FsuaD)
Russia could reclaim a few islands in Alaska and Obama wouldn't do jack
shit.
There, FIFY.
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Sparky would get mad if Putin renamed DeNali to Mount McKinley.
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 01, 2015 01:16 PM (oDCMR)
I think that politicians should just set up life-like automatons in front of cameras that just repeated the same old meaningless homilies that we hear every day from politicians of every ilk: blah, blah, middle class; blah, blah, hard working Americans; blah, blah, tax reform... you get the idea.
That way, the media could just go and say, "... and this is how (dumbass, corruptocrat politician X) responded to the allegations."
But anyway; After all the water that Harry Reid carried for Obama... after all of the corrupt corruption of the Congress... after all of the lying and scheming and fucking lying that Reid did for Obama, Obama says essentially FUCK YOU to Harry Reid.
And to Israel.
http://tinyurl.com/qzaapwg
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at October 01, 2015 01:16 PM (BZAd3)
Posted by: Obama at October 01, 2015 01:16 PM (xwPSp)
Posted by: Nose-bone Borneo Guy texting furiously at October 01, 2015 01:17 PM (7rAXc)
But they're first generation.
Probably still using flip phones to, aren't you?
Savages.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 01, 2015 01:17 PM (VPLuQ)
Posted by: Northernlurker at October 01, 2015 01:17 PM (UdHTT)
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Hasn't hockey season started?
Posted by: SH at October 01, 2015 01:17 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: John Francois Kerry at October 01, 2015 01:17 PM (hKyl0)
Ted Cruz seems a bit Churchillian to me. He's wickedly smart, pisses a lot of people off, including his own side, he's fiercely loyal to the country's heritage, gives a great off the cuff speech, etc.
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He's probably the closest thing. I hope he stays in and does well, because nobody else impresses me.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 01, 2015 01:18 PM (oEDuY)
Posted by: Mortimer at October 01, 2015 01:18 PM (0dcbp)
Posted by: Ralph Wiggum at October 01, 2015 01:18 PM (C278+)
Posted by: Puddin Head at October 01, 2015 01:16 PM (oDCMR)
*turns on Monitor wipers*
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at October 01, 2015 01:18 PM (7rAXc)
Iran is going in to Syria with the full understanding that there is virtually nothing that they can do, nothing, that would persuade the JEF to rip up that nuke agreement
they have carte blanche and they know it
Posted by: ThunderB, Team Let Them Fight at October 01, 2015 01:18 PM (zOTsN)
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Brought to you by Sheila Jackson Lee.
Posted by: SH at October 01, 2015 01:19 PM (gmeXX)
Savages.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 01, 2015 01:17 PM (VPLuQ)
Ouch. I still use a flip phone; grandfathered at a very cheap rate, and I don't like the clunkiness of the smart phones, which don't like they conveniently fit in a pocket.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 01, 2015 01:20 PM (oKE6c)
Ted Cruz seems a bit Churchillian to me. He's wickedly smart, pisses a lot of people off, including his own side, he's fiercely loyal to the country's heritage, gives a great off the cuff speech, etc.
..and no Gallipolis.
So, he's got that going for him.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at October 01, 2015 01:20 PM (7rAXc)
Posted by: Northernlurker at October 01, 2015 01:20 PM (UdHTT)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 01, 2015 01:18 PM (oEDuY)
I support him too. Unfortunately, that right there is probably the kiss of death.
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at October 01, 2015 01:20 PM (BZAd3)
I think your definition of a valid election and mine differ. The former president was jailed in what most believe was a politically motived attack and that opened the door for Yanukovych. It was his choosing to partner with Russia over the EU that caused a popular uprising and forced him out.
And not a thing the US did to support the uprising was illegal.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 01, 2015 01:21 PM (/tuJf)
Victor Davis Hanson - The Mob is Coming for You
http://www.hoover.org/research/mob-coming-you
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2015 01:21 PM (WOKpd)
Posted by: Marcus T at October 01, 2015 01:21 PM (l/pfE)
I disagree. They depended upon a properly informed populace rooted in principle and reality to enforce it.
Which is exactly where our enemies hit us (see, Ayers, Little Billy).
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 01, 2015 01:21 PM (LUgeY)
And this is again an issue on which Republicans differ from Democrats like day from night, even if nobody gives them credit for it.
Posted by: Begonia at October 01, 2015 01:21 PM (NH+Rh)
And in a Joe Biden administration, he'll be one of my closest advisors!
I like ice cream!
Posted by: Joe 'Joe' Biden at October 01, 2015 01:22 PM (DLu2s)
Savages.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 01, 2015 01:17 PM (VPLuQ)
Yeah, but at least we have cameras in them.
*National Geographic pose*
Posted by: Nose-bone Borneo Guy texting furiously at October 01, 2015 01:22 PM (7rAXc)
Posted by: Boris at October 01, 2015 01:22 PM (JVEmw)
I have some great banjo tunes in my iTunes library. They go good with Ace Threads.
Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at October 01, 2015 01:23 PM (mheYt)
Posted by: Your Betters at DoD and DoS at October 01, 2015 01:23 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Furious George at October 01, 2015 01:23 PM (UlJ3l)
(From March '14)
The Charge Against the Light Bringer
Half a world, half a world,
half a world over,
While our President dithers,
Our enemies grow bolder.
'Forward! Hope and Change!'
'Confiscate their guns!' He said:
While our nation grows weak
Our enemies grow bolder.
'Forward! Hope and Change!'
Who knew that we were play'd?
Not those bumpersticker'd
With that mantra display'd:
"Because shut up," their reply,
"We don't need a reason why,"
"Why don't you f-off and die!"
While our nation grows weak
Our enemies grow bolder.
Reid to the left of him,
Pelosi to the other left of him,
Maddow in front of them,
Hector'd and scold'd;
Peddling lies they had to sell,
Bald faced and shameless to tell,
While jawboning us to death,
While our nation goes to Hell
Our enemies grow bolder.
Rhetoric empty and bare,
Rhetoric hangs in air,
Red lines that aren't really there,
Waiting and watching while
All the world wonder'd:
Far from the tear-gas smoke,
Through your 'red line' they broke,
Fascist and Russian
Delver'd the fatal stroke;
A nation now sunder'd.
While our nation dither'd
Our enemies grew bolder.
Reid to the left of him,
Pelosi to the other left of him,
Maddow in front of them,
Hector'd and scold'd;
Peddling lies they had to sell,
While our ambassador fell,
With those who fought so well,
"What difference does it make?"
From hearts darkened by Hell,
And our nation goes to sleep,
Our enemies grow bolder.
Why does our glory fade?
O the promises made!
All the world wonder'd.
Dishonor'd 'Hope and Change',
Dishonor'd to our shame,
Our enemies embolden'd!
Posted by: goozer at October 01, 2015 01:23 PM (eqw7N)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 01, 2015 01:23 PM (LUgeY)
Posted by: @votermom at October 01, 2015 01:24 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: bystander at October 01, 2015 01:24 PM (hKyl0)
Posted by: LiV's at October 01, 2015 01:24 PM (qCMvj)
Where's an attack bunny when you need one?
Posted by: Your Betters at DoD and DoS at October 01, 2015 01:24 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: mallfly at October 01, 2015 12:41 PM (qSIlh)
If we can't primary this old senile geezer out this time I will be forced to vote for the dem, McCain is really a dem in hiding so I might as we vote for the real thing. And that will be the last time I participate in any election because fuck it.
Posted by: Barky McFuckstick at October 01, 2015 01:24 PM (hf9qu)
With all due respect to Cruz, I don't consider him in their league.
Posted by: ZBBMcFate at October 01, 2015 01:25 PM (Hj9yW)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 01, 2015 01:20 PM (oKE6c)
Me, too. I fucking refuse to get a smart phone. This LG from two years ago does all I want in a phone. Killer camera, too.
See?
*National Geographic pose*
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at October 01, 2015 01:25 PM (7rAXc)
Posted by: Bubba Clinton at October 01, 2015 01:25 PM (0jNGT)
Posted by: ThunderB, Team Let Them Fight at October 01, 2015 01:10 PM
And if our enemies have the strategic sense God gave a rock, it will come back to haunt us about 9 months into a GOPe administration, allowing the feckless Democrats to blame the Republicans and hopefully win the next election, thereby allowing our enemies the free rein they enjoy under King Feckless I.
Posted by: The Face-Sized Spider at October 01, 2015 01:25 PM (KrAjA)
How about that AoSHQ! Commentary and all the popcorn trimmings in one, easy-to-shop space!
Posted by: MTF at October 01, 2015 01:05 PM (LISuA)
Ol' Orville could probably use a ropa interior fresca by now.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at October 01, 2015 01:26 PM (vgIRn)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at October 01, 2015 01:20 PM (oKE6c)
You and me both. And you see all the doofuses (doofi?) walking down the streets, head down, staring at their dumbphones, totally lacking any situational awareness.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 01, 2015 01:26 PM (0yhH4)
We got this.
Posted by: holygoat at October 01, 2015 01:26 PM (t3wLW)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 01, 2015 01:26 PM (KrAjA)
Posted by: Northernlurker
Does he know how to tweet from the golf course?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 01, 2015 01:26 PM (Z58Xa)
Posted by: Mortimer at October 01, 2015 01:18 PM (0dcbp)
This is why I don't give a shit what Putin does, and may even cheer him on a little.
Putin isn't my enemy. My greatest enemy is the UNITED STATES FUCKING GOVERNMENT and that pathetic piece of shit currently occupying the White House.
So if Putin smacks the Half Black Cracker around a little, I say good for him.
Posted by: Blano at October 01, 2015 01:27 PM (C3E0x)
Posted by: Natasha at October 01, 2015 01:27 PM (JVEmw)
Posted by: Huggy Bear at October 01, 2015 01:27 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Nose-bone Borneo Guy texting furiously at October 01, 2015 01:28 PM (7rAXc)
Posted by: LiV's at October 01, 2015 01:28 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: physics geek at October 01, 2015 01:28 PM (MT22W)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 01, 2015 01:28 PM (VPLuQ)
Posted by: x at October 01, 2015 01:29 PM (57fhp)
Obama and Kerry skipped Bibi's speech at the UN. Just like Obama claimed he didn't watch Bibi's speech to a joint session of Congress this summer --- and then held a quickie press conference after it.
Could Obama BE a bigger tool?
Posted by: Lizzy at October 01, 2015 01:29 PM (NOIQH)
AND THAT RIGHT THERE IS THE GODDAMNED PROBLEM.
How many things have to happen before these aren't coincidences anymore?
He ALWAYS gets a pass on this. Why? Because he is black? Because he is the first black president?
Is enough ever going to be enough?
Hell, the way it looks right now, Israel will have to be obliterated before people start saying, "Hey! There's something mighty fishy about this guy! Yep. I said it all along - this guy's just not right... in the haid."
We will never see 'enough'. This country will go to its grave first.
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at October 01, 2015 01:30 PM (BZAd3)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 01, 2015 01:30 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Furious George at October 01, 2015 01:31 PM (UlJ3l)
"
Drill a hole in the top of his head, and use his skull for a flesh-light.
Offered as rhetoric only, and not an actual threat of harm to a serving public figure.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 01, 2015 01:31 PM (VPLuQ)
Clinic think President Obama should verify with Putin that no Gays or Lesbian Children were harmed during these raids. These raids occurred because Bush lied to Putin about ISIS and Presdent obama is just finding out now. Once again Bush's lies are hurting us.
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at October 01, 2015 01:32 PM (EIFYf)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at October 01, 2015 01:31 PM (VPLuQ)
Wouldn't work, anyway. Users would be subject to gravel rash.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 01, 2015 01:33 PM (0yhH4)
You do that, too?
Cool.
Posted by: Nose-bone Borneo Guy texting furiously at October 01, 2015 01:33 PM (7rAXc)
And not a thing the US did to support the uprising was illegal.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 01, 2015 01:21 PM (/tuJf)
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Overthrowing a validly elected President is illegal. The US should have stayed out either way.
This isn't to let Russia off the hook, they basically used that as a sorry excuse seize Crimea. And before that they simply invaded Georgia.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 01, 2015 01:33 PM (LXJ1e)
I heard someone say (maybe Bolton?) that Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov probably had a hard-on while on stage yesterday (my words, not his). He said there was no doubt he was reveling in this, like a dream come true.
Sharks smelling blood. It will only get worse.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 01, 2015 01:34 PM (qCMvj)
What could go wrong?
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 01, 2015 01:34 PM (4ErVI)
Liberals said at the time that after Bu$hitler and KKKheney were finally gone, the adults would be back in charge. And the country would then have a Democratic president who actually read intelligence reports, and who listened to what his generals had to say.
And that is indeed just what we have now. To wit:
A Democratic president who reads intelligence reports -- brief reports which have been carefully tailored in advance to suit his personal predilections, winnowing out all dissenting views and contrary data.
A Democratic president who listens to his generals -- generals who are a handpicked gaggle of careerist toadies, automatic yes men, and affirmative action nonentities, all guaranteed to never challenge his views.
Posted by: torquewrench at October 01, 2015 01:34 PM (noWW6)
Barack Obama believes he is the Mahdi.
And we're in the middle of Year Seven of the Mahdi's Seven-Year Rule.
Things are going to get unspeakably ugly in 2016.
Posted by: Hikaru at October 01, 2015 01:11 PM (XMDuf)
Fixed that for you. And if that's the case then we get President Biden. Let that sink in.
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at October 01, 2015 01:35 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 01, 2015 01:30 PM (/tuJf)
I was a contractor for the government for nearly two decades in Europe and the ME and part of that time was under Carter. It was bad, I'm not kidding you. And here is something else that is absolutely true: The day after Reagan bombed Libya, Americans the the biggest pieces of shit throughout Europe. The day after that, America had it's respect back. If people even thought you were American, you were treated with respect. It was night and day - instantly.
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at October 01, 2015 01:35 PM (BZAd3)
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It also didn't predict or prevent an electorate so f*cking ignorant and gullible that tens of millions of them would happily elect, and then re-elect, an obvious traitor as president.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at October 01, 2015 01:35 PM (a31sM)
Destroy them and the only way ISIS gets equipped is direct from the US. One might think Obama has been equipping ISIS via the Benghazi method. Have them (capture) supplies in an undefended stockpile.
Posted by: makes sense at October 01, 2015 01:35 PM (jN+3o)
With all due respect to Cruz, I don't consider him in their league.
Posted by: ZBBMcFate at October 01, 2015 01:25 PM (Hj9yW)
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Agreed. Cruz as Churchill is ridiculous. And Trump as Churchill is ridiculous too.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 01, 2015 01:36 PM (LXJ1e)
When the MSM refers to them as "relatively moderate rebels" you know that the only thing that distinguishes them from ISIS is from whom they're getting their ammo and cash today
Posted by: kbdabear at October 01, 2015 01:36 PM (GrXXa)
Sergei Lavrov probably had a hard-on while on stage yesterday (my words,
not his). He said there was no doubt he was reveling in this, like a
dream come true."
Shorter Sergei Lavrov:
"How's my reset button taste?"
Posted by: torquewrench at October 01, 2015 01:36 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Marcus T at October 01, 2015 01:36 PM (l/pfE)
Posted by: maddogg at October 01, 2015 01:36 PM (xWW96)
He wasn't overthrown. He fled to Russia, where he remains to this day after Putin gave him Russian citizenship, and was subsequently voted out by the Ukrainian parliament. In affect, he was impeached.
He was always a catspaw for Russia and the Ukrainian people rose up against him when he started favoring Russia against the people's will. All the US did was give moral support, it's not like we sent in troops or anything.
Something I might add we did not do in Iran. And we should have.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 01, 2015 01:36 PM (/tuJf)
Posted by: Uncle Hair Sniffer at October 01, 2015 01:36 PM (JVEmw)
Posted by: JackStraw at October 01, 2015 01:21 PM (/tuJf)
Your chronology is wrong. There's no question that Yanukovych legitimately won the 2010 election, as challenger against the incumbent Tymushenko. She wasn't jailed on corruption charges until afterward. And the uprising wasn't "popular", except in the western regions (where the capital happened to be located). Polls showed the country was almost evenly split between those who wanted to join the EU and those who wanted to join the Russian-led EEU.
Posted by: Jon at October 01, 2015 01:37 PM (HA+/6)
Posted by: Francois Voltaire at October 01, 2015 01:37 PM (rwI+c)
We got this.
Posted by: holygoat at October 01, 2015 01:26 PM (t3wLW)
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Dont forget.... Putin is also operating from a position of weakness.
Posted by: fixerupper at October 01, 2015 01:37 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Uncle Hair Sniffer at October 01, 2015 01:36 PM (JVEmw)
Any female who can't immediately run away?
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at October 01, 2015 01:38 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: David Brooks at October 01, 2015 01:38 PM (UlJ3l)
Victor Davis Hanson - The Mob is Coming for You
http://www.hoover.org/research/mob-coming-you
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2015 01:21 PM (WOKpd)
Very good. See the comment by Phil Ossiferz Stone in particular.
Posted by: rickl at October 01, 2015 01:38 PM (zoehZ)
Posted by: Lea at October 01, 2015 01:38 PM (lIU4e)
So the MSM heavily edited the definition of rebels?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 01, 2015 01:38 PM (Z58Xa)
Posted by: fixerupper at October 01, 2015 01:37 PM (8XRCm)
I know, right? I keep falling into that trap.
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at October 01, 2015 01:39 PM (BZAd3)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 01, 2015 01:39 PM (qCMvj)
http://www.hoover.org/research/mob-coming-you
Posted by: Anna Puma at October 01, 2015 01:21 PM (WOKpd)
Most excellent
Thank you.
Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at October 01, 2015 01:39 PM (mheYt)
Posted by: kbdabear at October 01, 2015 01:39 PM (GrXXa)
What could go wrong?
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 01, 2015 01:34 PM (4ErVI)
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But... If we wiped out the Chinese there..... that would dis-orient the Middle East. Amirite??
Posted by: fixerupper at October 01, 2015 01:40 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: @votermom at October 01, 2015 01:40 PM (cbfNE)
Answer. The burden is on Russia.
Posted by: gracepc at October 01, 2015 01:41 PM (DMQhB)
Posted by: Charlotte 2x4 at October 01, 2015 01:41 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: rightwingva at October 01, 2015 01:42 PM (12N38)
Posted by: imp at October 01, 2015 01:42 PM (XIXZz)
besides Ray Charles, Helen Keller, Stevie Wonder, etc...
Posted by: redc1c4 at October 01, 2015 01:42 PM (vQvKz)
He was always a catspaw for Russia and the Ukrainian people rose up against him when he started favoring Russia against the people's will. All the US did was give moral support, it's not like we sent in troops or anything.
Something I might add we did not do in Iran. And we should have.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 01, 2015 01:36 PM (/tuJf)
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Fled to Russia, fearing for his life.
And what the Ukrainian parliament did was not unconstitutional too.
No that I'm all into conspiracy theories but you can read more by clicking on my nick.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at October 01, 2015 01:43 PM (LXJ1e)
And I think he wants to.
Posted by: Irony at October 01, 2015 01:44 PM (9miVc)
375 Bibi is our Churchill
Posted by: @votermom at October 0
**SNORTS** Bibi is all talk and no show.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 01, 2015 01:44 PM (Z58Xa)
To be honest, as long as Israel is left alone, it would be great to have Russia and China blow their wads in the middle east.
They can get bogged down for decades, kill thousands or millions, and end up even more broke.
Great.
And if Israel is threatened, we can welcome some millions of refugees that will actually contribute to our society and GDP.
Posted by: imp at October 01, 2015 01:44 PM (XIXZz)
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at October 01, 2015 01:45 PM (/eTPT)
We won the Cold War. The USSR disintegrated. History ended.
Such good times.
I'd never have predicted a simpering US President being gruffly bullied by a Kremlin KGB guy.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at October 01, 2015 01:45 PM (JtwS4)
And if Israel is threatened, we can welcome some millions of refugees that will actually contribute to our society and GDP.
Posted by: imp at October 01, 2015 01:44 PM (XIXZz)
Yeah just ask the Syrian Christian immigrants being expelled from the USA.
We only take atheists or Muzzies as immigrants.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at October 01, 2015 01:46 PM (Z58Xa)
And they gathered them together to the place which in Hebrew is called Har-Magedon. Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl upon the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple from the throne, saying, "It is done."
And there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder; and there was a great earthquake, such as there had not been since man came to be upon the earth, so great an earthquake was it, and so mighty. The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell.
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Bottom line to all of this.
Theyre going to get us all killed arent they.
Posted by: fixerupper at October 01, 2015 01:47 PM (8XRCm)
I can't imagine we really spent $500 million training 9 Syrian "freedom-fighters"
We equipped *someone*.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 01, 2015 01:47 PM (NOIQH)
http://tinyurl.com/nstcmk3
"I'm a pedophile, you're the monsters: My week inside the vile right-wing hate machine"
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 01, 2015 01:48 PM (fWAjv)
I can't imagine we really spent $500 million training 9 Syrian "freedom-fighters"
We equipped *someone*.
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I would have been happier if they just stole the money and gave it to DNC donors.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 01, 2015 01:50 PM (oEDuY)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at October 01, 2015 01:51 PM (6Ke4o)
We are talking about 2014, not 2010.
And yes, it was Yanukovych who had her jailed and she was released after he fled, in 2014.
And yes, the uprising was popular which is why pro-Russian alignment force he was pushing lost. A poll in August of 2015 showed 66% of the population wanted a relationship, 28% did not. That is what is known as a landslide.
http://tinyurl.com/pd26cwn
Had Yanukovych not tried to buck popular opinion and align with Russia, there would not have been an uprising. The fact that there was a not just an uprising but a successful tends to support the fact that most were not happy with his pro-Russian moves whatever polls say at any given moment.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 01, 2015 01:51 PM (/tuJf)
Even if you win, you assholes, all you've got is Yugoslavia!
If Obama and the rent-seekers who want Assad out and a Syria ruled by US backed puppets, it would take massive amounts of military occupation and money to keep it as Fallujah II at best, and that hasn't worked out for us in Afghanistan
Posted by: kbdabear at October 01, 2015 01:51 PM (GrXXa)
I know Assad is a bad guy, ok. But is there any evidence that these "secular moderates" we're backing are (a) actually secular and/or moderate, (b) capable of taking and maintaining control of Syria if Assad's regime falls, and (c) are actually going to be any better than the Assad regime?
As I said, I know Assad is a brutal dictator, but at the same time I get the impression that for whatever reason the folks in the Middle East have a hard time producing anything other than a brutal dictator. Why is this douche worse than whatever the next tyrant will be? And why would we want to create a vacuum that ISIS can sweep in to fill?
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at October 01, 2015 01:52 PM (KkVB6)
Weren't me. He's still alive, ain't he?
Posted by: rickb223 at October 01, 2015 01:53 PM (D5XRv)
Posted by: An Observation at October 01, 2015 01:53 PM (JYFYJ)
reset in Crimea,
reset in Ukraine,
reset the Malaysian airliner ...
reset in Syria ...
with the rest of the Middle East to follow.
Posted by: Illiniwek at October 01, 2015 01:54 PM (I6695)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 01, 2015 01:55 PM (oEDuY)
http://tinyurl.com/nstcmk3
"I'm a pedophile, you're the monsters: My week inside the vile right-wing hate machine"
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at October 01, 2015 01:48 PM (fWAjv)
Holy motherfrigging sh*t.
I thought we'd at least have a few years before they started trying to normalize that.
I thought polygamy would be a gimme (there's no reason not to allow it now), but damn.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at October 01, 2015 01:55 PM (vgIRn)
Trevor Noah would probably tell some Sarah Palin joke that was old in 2009 and make a face.
Posted by: Armando at October 01, 2015 01:57 PM (FwRqg)
I'm sick of being Team America, World Policeman to protect multinational corporations who have no loyalty to America, gives America few benefits at great cost, and gets us not even a reacharound from the leaders and people of those countries that are supposed to benefit.
We've got hundreds of square miles along the border that is no longer under American control but is being run by well financed and equipped drug cartels. Maybe that's where camping American troops, declaring "No-Fly Zones", and buzzing drones around would actually benefit the people paying for all that.
Posted by: kbdabear at October 01, 2015 01:58 PM (GrXXa)
Posted by: Axeman at October 01, 2015 02:11 PM (2mC6G)
Obviously the Russians (re) took the measure of our leadership last week and concluded: "mush, keep pushing."
Worse, there were all these stories about Russian "build up" weeks ago, and Admin equivocation that it was a "build up" but promises to get to the bottom of Russian intentions. If the issue wasn't raised, or was raised and the Russkies decided its OK to just flip us off with a blatant lie to a pressing, direct issues, we are truly seen as the giant pussy in the room.
On another level, our whole policy towards Syria is probably worse than the Russian policy. That is, we are seeking to destabilize yet another ruthless horrible dictator in the ME (which is at least a stable actor vis a vis Israel and terrorism) to likely replace it with nutty jihadis who will turn that country into another Libya. So the Russkies by supporting the strong man status quo may actually have a clearer picture of both our mutual interests than us --only it has been handled in such a way by us and them as to diminish US power and project Russian power.
And just look at the cast of characters to the rest of the world. The Giant Pussy In Chief, his bumbling platitude spouting US hating Sec of State, all interpreted by Josh "No Balls" Earnest and Ash Carter periodically weighing in (academic, pink tie wearing pussy who lets his wife get publically groped by Biteme)
We are led by vain, weak and stupid men. God help us all.
Posted by: Ex NYC Peasant at October 01, 2015 02:17 PM (k8tEg)
Posted by: Ex NYC Peasant at October 01, 2015 02:24 PM (k8tEg)
My prayers are with Israel as well as the persecuted Christians by our enemies in the Middle East...who our "leaders" are tag-teaming with. bah.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at October 01, 2015 02:26 PM (LJ4iV)
I'm rootin' for Putin all the way as regards Syria.
Posted by: Mike in Boston at October 01, 2015 03:03 PM (eRN53)
Looks to me that President Putin pulled a page oot of President Erdogan's Turkish playbook, no ??? The latter was supposedly going to go after the ISIS horde but took a wrong turn and jumped on the Kurds.
Posted by: 11B40 at October 01, 2015 04:17 PM (abx5/)
Posted by: kimoloka at October 01, 2015 04:19 PM (Ra8VF)
The way things are going, he will soon convince Obama to bomb US troops.
Posted by: Anonymous Coward at October 01, 2015 04:22 PM (zJbQ1)
So, Putin is backing his ally in the region. I'm not surprised that our Top Men!!! find that curious, since they're used to assisting our enemies, and backstabbing our friends. They're shocked (SHOCKED, I tells you!) to see someone living up to their agreement.
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at October 01, 2015 06:45 PM (VvOZ5)
Posted by: duff beer at October 01, 2015 11:45 PM (tQ6GS)
Assuming the obvious that Obama is so incompetent a strategist that he can't recall or control these gifts, someone in Putin's chain of command made the simple decision -- Russian pilots, their wives and kids count too.
Boom Poof -- the gifts are gone... Translation -- If you side with weak incompetence, you lose...
Posted by: Seipherd at October 02, 2015 01:11 AM (NRPjM)
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