How The GOP Can Kneecap Trump (But Won't)

Trump continues to climb in the polls. While I'm not convinced that will translate to votes, I'm less sure of that than I was a few weeks back.

For the most part Republicans (at least on Twitter and cable talk shows) have responded to this by attacking his supporters. He's a fascist! He's a liberal! He supports Planned Parenthood! He's lying to you (as if Republicans aren't). And anyone who supports him is an idiot and maybe even a racist.

It's easier to pretend the polling and arena filling crowds are simply a reflection of a few hundred Twitter racists with little to no following.

Oddly enough, it's not working.

Trump is the symptom. The underlying disease is the GOP and its manifest failures combined with a sense of "We don't care you'll vote for us no matter what because...Democrats!"

I have no dog in this fight because I'm not a Republican and I can't vote for Trump or anyone in a primary and I'll likely vote Libertarian in the general.

That said, here's some free advice for the GOP on how to start to neuter Trump.

1. Get rid of Boehner and McConnell. Now.

Even if their replacements can't do much better, at least the message will be sent that the GOP gets there are legitimate problems and they get that people are angry and disappointed.

Baseball managers are fired all the time because you can't fire the whole team. By sticking with the current congressional leadership team and attacking Trump's supporters as trash, while ignoring their legitimate concerns, the GOP has made it clear they do in fact intend to fire the team or at least the parts that are unhappy. I was unaware the GOP was so popular they could afford to do this but I guess they think they are.

2. Co-opt Trump on immigration:

This is trickier for a number of reasons.

First, the GOP doesn't want to do this. The establishment and donor classes want amnesty and by God they are willing to crash the party on the rocks to get it.

Second, no one running has any credibility on the issue. A candidate who comes out against amnesty and in favor of border security, internal enforcement and attrition of illegals will be viewed as a pandering liar. And probably rightly so. Still, voters have shown a remarkable willingness to play along (McCain and Romney for example). The GOP has decided the future is in pandering to liberals (aka Hispanics) and keeping the sweet, sweet Chamber of Commerce type money flowing.

And third, no matter how ridiculous Trump's "deport 'em all" plan is, even if he only delivers on half of it, it's more than any mainstream Republican is offering.

Aside from offering what would be seen as empty promises, the GOP could actually try to use amnesty as a wedge issue to either depress black turnout or maybe even win a few points more. They won't win blacks outright or even in large numbers but they just need to offset the Democrats edge with pro-amnesty Hispanics.

Two simple steps that would at the very least stem Trump's momentum and help more palatable (to most Republicans) candidates get back in the game.

Right now otherwise reasonably solid candidates are being swamped by Trump because no one believes they will mean a change of direction. Lots of voters seem to figure anyone with an R after their name will be more of the same old-same old GOP, so there's no point in bothering with them. If not Trump, they will go with Carson or Fiorina. Anyone who doesn't have the stench of career Republican on them.

But the GOP won't do any of this because they don't want to. They are convinced everything is fine with them and that you are the problem. Republican leadership types, in and out of government, want what they want. They don't care if you don't. They will just scare you with "but Democrats" and bet it works again.

And if they lose, so what? They still have jobs, the donor money will still roll in and the Democrats will deliver a lot of what they want for them.

Who needs you icky conservatives? Certainly not the GOP. And by their words and deeds, they don't care if you know it.

But don't say I didn't try to help.

Posted by: DrewM. at 09:52 AM

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1 Content!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 15, 2015 09:53 AM (VPLuQ)

2 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 15, 2015 09:53 AM (kff5f)

3 Near as I can tell, Mitch McConnell and his buds support Planned Parenthood, too.

Maybe you said that. I didn't read the post.

Posted by: revolting peasant at September 15, 2015 09:53 AM (JJce5)

4 This "Content before 10 AM" thing scares and confuses me.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 15, 2015 09:54 AM (kff5f)

5 Now to read the post.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 15, 2015 09:54 AM (kff5f)

6 3 Near as I can tell, Mitch McConnell and his buds support Planned Parenthood, too.

Maybe you said that. I didn't read the post.
Posted by: revolting peasant at September 15, 2015 09:53 AM (JJce5)

They certainly aren't going to do anything to stop them. McConnell blew off any action in that regard as being "an exercise in futility."

Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2015 09:55 AM (2Ojst)

7
The GOP's reaction of attacking Trump supporters has made it quite

Quite what??? QUITE WHAT???

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 09:56 AM (CiLUq)

8 The GOP's reaction of attacking Trump supporters has made it quite

Oh boy. GOPe agents got to Drew.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at September 15, 2015 09:56 AM (eytER)

9 "The GOP's reaction of attacking Trump supporters has made it quite"

Quite what? WHAT!? TELL US!!!!!!

Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2015 09:56 AM (2Ojst)

10 I reiterate: Trump is working for the Democrats. There is no way this buffoon can be taken seriously as a candidate (and he knows it) and when he is NOT the candidate, many Republican voters will stay home giving victory to the Democrats.

Posted by: Cygnus at September 15, 2015 09:56 AM (fdavN)

11 They certainly aren't going to do anything to stop them. McConnell blew off any action in that regard as being "an exercise in futility."

One man without chin made majority leader.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 09:57 AM (CiLUq)

12 8 The GOP's reaction of attacking Trump supporters has made it quite

Oh boy. GOPe agents got to Drew.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at September 15, 2015 09:56 AM (eytER)

He got black bagged and stuffed in the back of a GMC Yukon...

Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2015 09:57 AM (2Ojst)

13 Thank you for this. The punditry on twitter has decided that the rube voters are the problem and they are making the anger worse. I like Charles Cooke, redsteeze, and RBPundit, and Rick Wilson.But stop blaming us! Another thing the GOP could do right now is defund Planned Parenthood. And they won't even pretend to defund Planned Parenthood.

Posted by: Red Enchilada at September 15, 2015 09:57 AM (+i7ay)

14 Damn, not only have we as a people failed to be worthy of the Sun King Obama, we've failed to be worthy of the GOP Establishment Cartel's love as well!

Posted by: Hrothgar at September 15, 2015 09:57 AM (ftVQq)

15 "McConnell blew off any action in that regard as being "an exercise in futility.""

Imagine a universe where McConnell and King Leonidas were to meet face to face.

And exchange leadership theories.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 15, 2015 09:57 AM (VPLuQ)

16 "Second, no one running has any credibility on the issue."

Wait, are you saying that Scott Walker's _three_ simultaneously held and mutually contradictory positions on immigration are somehow lacking in credibility? WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU TRYING TO SUGGEST HERE?!?!?

Personally, I applaud Walker for breaking through the hidebound old strictures of logic and factuality that have held conservatism back for so long. It's time for all true conservatives to embrace an Alice In Wonderland ethos.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 15, 2015 09:58 AM (noWW6)

17 He got black bagged and stuffed in the back of a GMC Yukon...

Drew, if you can shout you're a Democrat.

They'll surrender.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 09:58 AM (CiLUq)

18 And they won't even pretend to defund Planned Parenthood.

Posted by: Red Enchilada at September 15, 2015 09:57 AM (+i7ay)

That one act would bring so much good will their way, yet nothing!

Posted by: Hrothgar at September 15, 2015 09:58 AM (ftVQq)

19 Not attacking the supporters is a very Aceian observation.

Trump's just an indicator, like Bernie is. Bernie's kicking ass because Hillary!'s a crook, not because the whole Democrat party is socialist now (they're more fascist, but I digress). Trump's winning because the rest of the GOPe fold is not trustworthy, and they spend a whole lot of time throwing their hands up saying "we tried".

But it's precious that people think any of this is fixable anymore.

Posted by: Chupacabras at September 15, 2015 09:59 AM (V40IZ)

20 18 And they won't even pretend to defund Planned Parenthood.

Posted by: Red Enchilada at September 15, 2015 09:57 AM (+i7ay)

That one act would bring so much good will their way, yet nothing!
Posted by: Hrothgar at September 15, 2015 09:58 AM (ftVQq)

They want Planned Parenthood to be an issue they run on in the election, so they can use the outrages to raise funds.

It's sickening.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 10:00 AM (CiLUq)

21 I'm listening to the speech from last night. He called out Rove by name, and the crowd loudly booed Rove.

I can't say I've heard that kind of hatred for the GOPe outside of the Internet. Good stuff.

Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at September 15, 2015 10:00 AM (WDySP)

22 #RescueDrew

Posted by: @votermom at September 15, 2015 10:00 AM (cbfNE)

23 I pretty much agree with Drew on this except for the fact that threatening to deport all illegals is fine with me. It's the same as threatening to audit and prosecute all tax cheats. You are not going to do either, but your intent, is to STOP illegal behavior. Unlike the intent of the then Dems and RINOs who's position is breaking the LAW is just dandy and we will do nothing to punish you because we are pussies.

Trump is saying what many of us want to hear and would like to say ourselves if we had the platform Trump does.

It's to late to get rid of McConnell and the Boner. They have already sunk us and will sink us in the Budget battle to come. Want to impress me: SHUT THE GOV DOWN

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 15, 2015 10:00 AM (gf8BH)

24 "Imagine a universe where McConnell and King Leonidas were to meet face to face."

::: McCornhole kicks Leonidas down an open manhole :::

"THIS... IS... K... STREET!!!"

Posted by: torquewrench at September 15, 2015 10:01 AM (noWW6)

25 Look, I think the point Drew was trying to make at the end there is it is quite

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 10:01 AM (CiLUq)

26 Hey, whaddya gonna do, nice college boy Jeb!, eh? Didn't want to get mixed up in the Family business, huh? Now you wanna gun down Trump? Why? Because he slapped ya in the face a little bit? Hah? What do you think this is Florida, where you shoot 'em a mile away? You've gotta get up close like this and - bada-BING! - you blow their brains all over your nice Ivy League suit. C'mere... [kisses Jeb's! head]. You're taking this very personal. Lindsey, this is business and Jeb! is taking it very, very personal.

Posted by: Zombie Sonny Corleone at September 15, 2015 10:01 AM (D0NZx)

27 I think the GOPe is starting to get it. Their attacks on the base are more moderate and less frequent, and there's gossip that Boehner is going to step aside. Getting McConnell out is harder, since the Senate is so damn insulated from base voters, so I think he's going to be a tougher nut to crack.

These politicos respond only when their own incumbency is threatened, so Trump is serving a great purpose I have to admit.

Posted by: MTF at September 15, 2015 10:01 AM (TxJGV)

28 The GOPe does the bidding of the democrat party. If the media (also controlled by the democrat party) fails to destroy Trump, the GOPe will destroy Trump. The chosen (by the democrat party) 'republican' candidate will meekly submit to his asswhipping by the democrats in November 2016. Take it to the banco, amigos. Es veridad.

Posted by: Eromero at September 15, 2015 10:02 AM (go5uR)

29 I had a few of links on this in the morning thread. (1) McConehead actually told the base to STFU and let the corporate people have their say with the party. (2) There are now enough R representatives in the house to unseat Boner and (3) and finally an article that showed how Paul Ryan lied to the public about the trade bill Obama wanted and the Republicans rammed through.

If the RNCe can't see why Trump is polling well now they are truly dumber than shit. And that doesn't even count the number of times they have promised to "close the border" and then ignored it once they got their way.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at September 15, 2015 10:02 AM (t2KH5)

30 Fox cut off Trump's speech when he called Rove & Will losers.
Now Drew has mysteriously been cut off.

Posted by: @votermom at September 15, 2015 10:02 AM (cbfNE)

31 I think that maybe we are supposed to fill in the blanks in that last sentence ... or maybe Drew got abducted by Aliens! Or maybe he blew a gasket and is sitting at his PC frothing at the mouth from the stupidity that the world has laid at his doorstep today. I'm surprised that more sentences are not left dangling ...

Posted by: goon at September 15, 2015 10:03 AM (gy5kE)

32 Posted by: Zombie Sonny Corleone at September 15, 2015 10:01 AM (D0NZx)

It's not personal. It's an act of love...

Zzzzzzzzz...

Posted by: Jeb Bush at September 15, 2015 10:03 AM (CiLUq)

33 Who is QUITE?

Posted by: jwb7605 at September 15, 2015 10:03 AM (M+9nV)

34 Drew if you are not a Republican why lecture them on being an exclusively whites only party? I doubt you are a Libertarian with your whites supremacist mindset. Libertarians reject racialism and believe in the individual. You on the other hand have this Hispanophobic mentally and hate those people.

Drew just be honest, you are a white nationalist and believe due to your race, the government has to take care of you.

Posted by: Bert at September 15, 2015 10:03 AM (973pL)

35
The GOP's reaction of attacking Trump supporters has made it quite

Quite what??? QUITE WHAT???
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk

Think he said something about Candle Jac--

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 15, 2015 10:03 AM (kdS6q)

36 A whole generation of fucking your voters from "read my lips," to "I'm a severe conservative," I think will tend to turn a lot of your voters into "Oh, you really really don't like this guy right here, ok, he's my man."

And I don't think there is actually anything the gop can do about it. But they don't care. Two generations as the out party was just fine with them, campaign cash and cocktails baby.

Posted by: traye at September 15, 2015 10:04 AM (JJby+)

37 "Lots of voters seem to figure anyone with an R after their name will be more of the same old-same old GOP, so there's no point in bothering with them."

...and they're absolutely right.

Fuck the GOP.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at September 15, 2015 10:04 AM (u5gzz)

38 Posted by: Bert at September 15, 2015 10:03 AM (973pL)

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Posted by: Ruth at September 15, 2015 10:04 AM (oo88B)

39 Check out Frauke Petry in Germany. Pic on Drudge. She looks like she'd be hot in leather

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 15, 2015 10:05 AM (s+GVx)

40 My theory is if Jeb drops out, Trumps following will actually take a hit.

Jeb's very presence in the race is an insult to conservatives.

Posted by: Ty Angur at September 15, 2015 10:05 AM (laNvf)

41 36 A whole generation of fucking your voters from "read my lips," to "I'm a severe conservative," I think will tend to turn a lot of your voters into "Oh, you really really don't like this guy right here, ok, he's my man."

And I don't think there is actually anything the gop can do about it. But they don't care. Two generations as the out party was just fine with them, campaign cash and cocktails baby.
Posted by: traye at September 15, 2015 10:04 AM (JJby+)

We're sick and tired of our own party pissing on our backs and telling us it's raining. So yeah, fuck 'em.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2015 10:05 AM (2Ojst)

42 Think he said something about Candle Jac--

Ridiculous. The Candlejack thi-

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 10:06 AM (CiLUq)

43 Ohai Hector.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 15, 2015 10:06 AM (s+GVx)

44 "I'm listening to the speech from last night. He called out Rove by name, and the crowd loudly booed Rove."

I haven't listened to the speech, but I understand that Trump also asked the crowd what they thought of the news media, and deliberately stepped back to let the journalistas soak up the reaction. Which was such that the press must have been crapping their pants.

For decades now, the attitude of the liberal journalistas has been the one summed up by the infamous press button being sported around the 1992 RNC convention: "Yeah, I'm with the media, screw you."

No major Republican candidate in all that time, except for Gingrich briefly in 2012, have called them out on that rude, unprofessional, dismissive attitude. Now Trump is going after them. He's got a lot more money than Newt and he's in this for the long haul. This could be fun.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 15, 2015 10:06 AM (noWW6)

45 Bert=Hector.

Posted by: Chupacabras at September 15, 2015 10:06 AM (V40IZ)

46 Posted by: Bert at September 15, 2015 10:03 AM (973pL)

Oh, Gawd. Hector, just shut the f*ck up.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 15, 2015 10:06 AM (kff5f)

47 ?
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Posted by: Ruth at September 15, 2015 10:04 AM (oo88B)

It's a troll. Ignore it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 15, 2015 10:07 AM (gf8BH)

48 Hi Bert! I know I was a little rough last night, so how's your asshole?

Posted by: Ernie at September 15, 2015 10:08 AM (2Ojst)

49 These politicos respond only when their own incumbency is threatened, so Trump is serving a great purpose I have to admit.

Which is why they view us conservatives as their enemy. Not ISIS, not Putin, not islam, not socialism, communism, or any other anti-American -ism that's managed to infest our society in the past hundred years.

Us. The ones who want a return to the rule of law and the Constitution, and a bit of reality in politics.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 15, 2015 10:08 AM (LUgeY)

50 @26 - Genius.

Posted by: Austin in TX at September 15, 2015 10:08 AM (F9Hpt)

51 Your strategery is spot-on. The only way for Walker to get back in the game at this point is to specifically start running against McConnell and Boehner.

However, there is a flip side to this approach. I'm convinced the only thing TRUMP has to do to seal the deal on the nomination is say in the next debate...

"Before my first week in office is over, I will invite Senator McConnell and Speaker Boehner to White House, and tell them - YOU'RE FIRED!"

And know, it doesn't matter if he has the actual constitutional authority to pull it off. He just has to say it.

Posted by: ZonToro at September 15, 2015 10:09 AM (HsibK)

52 Carson is moving up. On no media whatsoever.

If the GOPe doesn't get the attraction of Trump, they should at least start to get an inkling from Carson.

Posted by: blaster at September 15, 2015 10:09 AM (2Ocf1)

53 Why don't all the people who hate the GOP just leave. To start your welfare for whites party? If Trumpkins leave the TOP it will help the party by removing low income low is welfare loving whites.

Posted by: Bert at September 15, 2015 10:09 AM (973pL)

54 Obama: Its Un-American To Deny Illegal Immigrants Taxpayer-Funded College Aid

Weasel Zippers

Hey cock sucker, first pay off my kids loans and then we can talk, but until then, fuck off commie

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 15, 2015 10:09 AM (gf8BH)

55 I am fascinated by the Trump and his appeal. (Also appalled, but that's not my point now).

Consider this clip of Mussolini.

https://youtu.be/OOv-Ncs7vQk?t=53s

I am *not* saying that Trump is Mussolini, nor that Trump is a fascist. I'm just looking at his mannerisms and his popular appeal.

The times and the cultures are different, media and our consumption of it have become more sophisticated. But Mussolini was a master of the media of his time, he'd been a journalist.

I think Trump is tapping into the same atavistic populism.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 15, 2015 10:09 AM (JtwS4)

56 All you have to do to get rid of Trump is to have the GOPe start supporting him. Have Boehner, McConnell, and Rove start to speak positive things about Trump and Trump will be yesterdays news.

Posted by: Sanmon at September 15, 2015 10:09 AM (WX+wk)

57 Excellent post.
My desire to punish McConnel is why I'm voting for Trump.
Imagine Mitch having to work with Trump.

Posted by: Rory at September 15, 2015 10:10 AM (cBH+b)

58 Uh, someone needs to tell out politicians they can't fire the "team" (i.e. the voters) - they far down the road of replacing us with "New Americans."

Posted by: Lizzy at September 15, 2015 10:10 AM (NOIQH)

59 Hey who has the ban hammer?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 15, 2015 10:10 AM (gf8BH)

60 52 Carson is moving up. On no media whatsoever.

If the GOPe doesn't get the attraction of Trump, they should at least start to get an inkling from Carson.

I think the GOPe believes they can work with Carson.

He's an outsider but sadly I think he's willing to come inside.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 10:11 AM (CiLUq)

61 McConnell and Boehner are indeed the walking embodiment of GOPe Failure, and I agree, their immediate replacement, with anyone, would probably win a few conservative votes back for the GOPe.

But they won't do it, because McConnell and Boehner have delivered like FedEx for the Party's donors, for its true Base.

Therefore, Trumpmaggedon will play out, and he will either take over the party of Failure and fire the Failure crowd. Or there will be a new opposition party. Either way works for me.

Posted by: bystander at September 15, 2015 10:11 AM (hKyl0)

62 @52
I like Carson, he wants to unite Americans of all races and ethnicities. Carson wants us to be one people under God.

Trump wants a welfare state for whites and want to opress non whites.

Posted by: Bert at September 15, 2015 10:11 AM (973pL)

63 56 All you have to do to get rid of Trump is to have the GOPe start supporting him. Have Boehner, McConnell, and Rove start to speak positive things about Trump and Trump will be yesterdays news.
Posted by: Sanmon at September 15, 2015 10:09 AM (WX+wk)

Bingo.
Simultaneously replace Boehner with somebody that will take the public about a year to figure out is at least as spineless.

Posted by: jwb7605 at September 15, 2015 10:12 AM (M+9nV)

64 Hey Bert, did you get the pigeon pulled out of your ass yet?

Posted by: Ernie at September 15, 2015 10:12 AM (2Ojst)

65 Can we please banhammer the asshole racist?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 10:12 AM (CiLUq)

66 Walker is hobbled a bit in his ability to go against GOPe by Priebus. They are a package deal.

Jindal and Cruz are consistent on immigration and don't need to pick up Trumps mantle on it.

Posted by: blaster at September 15, 2015 10:12 AM (2Ocf1)

67 I reiterate: Trump is working for the Democrats. There is no way this buffoon can be taken seriously as a candidate (and he knows it) and when he is NOT the candidate, many Republican voters will stay home giving victory to the Democrats.

Run anyone else and this R stays home.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 15, 2015 10:12 AM (W4LFA)

68 I'm convinced that everything Boehner and McConnell do is focused like a laser on one thing: maintaining their position of maximum power + minimal responsibility for the mess ("The Dems made me do it, blame them!!!).

Why would they give up their positions to save the party?

Posted by: Lizzy at September 15, 2015 10:12 AM (NOIQH)

69 The only way for the GOP to die is for them to win.

A lot of conservatives are done with the GOP.
A lot of conservatives are satisfied with the evolving line that with only X fraction of control of government you can't get anything done (ignoring the fact that the GOP is not doing ANY pushing legislatively to gain momentum and media attention and building up public support).
There are still a lot of Republicans who think that if we can only just get an R into the Whitehouse and keep control of the Senate and House, then we'll be able to repeal ObamaCare, slash regulations, reign in the administrative state, etc.

And these people need to see the GOP have this chance and do none of those things. They'll be some "practical" excuse. We needed to buy votes from Democrats in the Senate!
Or this isn't the hill to die on because the media will be mean to us!
Or whatever.
This will be the wake up call to the rest of the GOP "base" that the GOP is not a vehicle for conservatism at all and is merely a speed bump for progressive governance.

Posted by: gwelf at September 15, 2015 10:12 AM (nyxv/)

70 Ok, so now I've read some of it.

Funny how it's OK for the establishment to crash the party on the rocks, but the plebes get the back of the hand for grumbling about wanting to do the same thing.

Posted by: revolting peasant at September 15, 2015 10:12 AM (ASYUV)

71 "I like Charles Cooke, redsteeze, and RBPundit, and Rick Wilson.But stop blaming us!"

The insufferable twit, Charles CW Cooke, would stop blaming you if, for one minute, he didn't believe with all his heart that you were so fucking stupid.

He doesn't make any attempt to hide the fact that he thinks you and bulk of GOP voters are sub-intellectuals, so this shouldn't be news.

Cooke likes to think of himself as one of the "paid thinkers".

Like some other writers, he conflates writing with thinking. He has learned a trade wherein he takes information, researches it for accuracy, restates, collates and in effect transfers the information in hopefully a more interesting, entertaining or understandable form.

This is a long way from original thought.

What his solutions are to problems is a mystery, mainly because he doesn't have any. Cooke can comment on what others have put forth, but there doesn't seem to be any answers lurking underneath the surface.

But in his mind, he's a fucking oracle and everyone else, especially those who aren't in the profession of writing, are morons (in the bad sense) who do nothing more than embarrass the elite with their Trump and Palin worship.

Posted by: jwest at September 15, 2015 10:13 AM (Zs4uk)

72 Can we please banhammer the asshole racist?

Yeah, it has no business here.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 15, 2015 10:13 AM (LUgeY)

73
They did NOT learn a goddamned thing from Cantor's defeat.

Not.One.Thing.

It never even *occurred* to then the *problem* might lie with THEM.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 15, 2015 10:13 AM (8XRCm)

74 "Imagine Mitch having to work with Trump."

Oh, to be a fly on THAT wall.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 15, 2015 10:13 AM (noWW6)

75 quick little delurk:
Visited my mother up in Edmonton, Alberta last month (88th birthday) and was shocked ... SHOCKED ... to find that the provincial conservative party was voted out and the commies were set down in their place. Conservatives, in one flavor or another, have been in power for 60+ years ... but - much like the Boner/McConEm party - got a little too obviously corrupt. Alberta has always been "true blue" but there's now enough easterners living there AND it was obviously time to show the Conserv-e's the door. So a party can be derailed (like the Whigs were) and the RNCe should well learn from that.

Posted by: Wingnut at September 15, 2015 10:13 AM (7wPOa)

76 Trumpkkkkins are getting nervous that Carson is closing in on him. Watch all the anti Black rhetoric sent Carson's way via the Trumpkkkins.

Posted by: Bert at September 15, 2015 10:13 AM (973pL)

77 52 Carson is moving up. On no media whatsoever.

If the GOPe doesn't get the attraction of Trump, they should at least start to get an inkling from Carson.

Posted by: blaster
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Great. Now you'very made me a racist, because I can't get The Jeffersons theme song out of my head.

Posted by: Chi at September 15, 2015 10:13 AM (df5yj)

78
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Please be explaining how this is any different from what we get from Boner and McConnall?

Posted by: RoyalOil at September 15, 2015 10:14 AM (yFM0T)

79 Bert is hitting the bottle early this morning.

Posted by: Mainah at September 15, 2015 10:14 AM (659DL)

80 68 I'm convinced that everything Boehner and McConnell do is focused like a laser on one thing: maintaining their position of maximum power + minimal responsibility for the mess ("The Dems made me do it, blame them!!!).

Why would they give up their positions to save the party?

They would fight to the last seat to protect the Chamber of Commerce and their big donors. They'd die on any hi they commanded.

The GOP was always a con job. The thing is the con fell apart when the TEA party appeared and actually wanted to do stuff.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 10:14 AM (CiLUq)

81 I watched most of the speech last night. You can tell that a Trump doesn't have a stump speech, as he tends to ramble. When he is spot on, he is a very effective communicator. It will be interesting to see what happens as his campaign gets more structure.

I also watched Carson on whatever Sunday political show he was on. He has a tendency to briefly shut his eyes as he's composing his thoughts. I'll have to see if he does the same thing when speaking to a crowd.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 15, 2015 10:14 AM (Lqy/e)

82 Hey, I've been out of town for the last few days: has Gabe proven to be correct in his little podcast tantrum or are we still waiting on the final results?

Posted by: Chupacabras at September 15, 2015 10:14 AM (V40IZ)

83 Been saying this for a while - all the R's more "palatable" candidates need to do is get out ahead of Trump on these issues.

But they can't and/or won't.

Trump, feel about him as you want, is at this time the nearest thing to the long-desired "opposition party" that we have got.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at September 15, 2015 10:15 AM (OCcU9)

84 Hi Bert! If you violate Rubber Ducky again I'll shove your paper clip collection down your throat!

Posted by: Ernie at September 15, 2015 10:15 AM (2Ojst)

85 I think Trump is tapping into the same atavistic populism.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 15, 2015 10:09 AM (JtwS4)

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You misspelled "righteous anger"....

Posted by: fixerupper at September 15, 2015 10:15 AM (8XRCm)

86 82 Hey, I've been out of town for the last few days: has Gabe proven to be correct in his little podcast tantrum or are we still waiting on the final results?
Posted by: Chupacabras at September 15, 2015 10:14 AM (V40IZ)

Correct about what? I don't usually listen to the podcasts.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2015 10:15 AM (2Ojst)

87 Drew, I'm seeing Trump as the fuck you candidate in a fuck you election. This is the effect of a dis-satisfied base with a status quo party. Any candidate that has an association with the establishment of the party just isn't going to get traction. Look at Perry, Jeb, Kasich, all rock solid establishment candidates, all pulling low single digit poll numbers. This is going to be a non-establishment election.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 15, 2015 10:15 AM (sgrzZ)

88 Deez Nutz 2016!

Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2015 10:16 AM (2Ojst)

89 The establishent is fine with a Democrat winning-- they just make a bit less graft.

The real threat is a conservative, which might derail the gravy train.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at September 15, 2015 10:16 AM (oVJmc)

90 Trumpkkkkins are getting nervous that Carson is closing in on him. Watch all the anti Black rhetoric sent Carson's way via the Trumpkkkins.
Posted by: Bert at September 15, 2015 10:13 AM (973pL)

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Hey Bert. Do me a favor. Fuck off.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 15, 2015 10:16 AM (8XRCm)

91
I find it ominous that Arnie is replacing Trump on his show. Remember folks, while Trump is fun, I doubt that translates into good governemet. Arnie was a disaster.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 15, 2015 10:16 AM (iQIUe)

92 @Insomniac

He was stomping his feet about the Iran vote being some sort of seventh level chess.

Posted by: Chupacabras at September 15, 2015 10:17 AM (V40IZ)

93 @55
Mussolini wanted to unite his country. Trump wants to help just on faction of this nation. Trump is no Ill Duce.

Posted by: Bert at September 15, 2015 10:17 AM (973pL)

94 And if they lose, so what? They still have jobs, the donor money will still roll in and the Democrats will deliver a lot of what they want for them.

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Yep the GOPe is sitting pretty. The only problem is that the mask is off. Lucy is going to get kicked in the face this time!

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 10:17 AM (LXJ1e)

95 Your strategery is spot-on. The only way for Walker to get back in the game at this point is to specifically start running against McConnell and Boehner.

Well, I'd agree, but that's basically what Cruz has been doing and it hasn't worked for him, either.

The hephalump in the room is donor dollars. Trump doesn't need them. He claims not to be taking them (except from individual donors - "to prove I have grass-roots support"). The voting class knows that the Chambers of Commerce want amnesty. We know they don't particularly like us. So we distrust that any Republican who can't self fund will actually continue to back a "no amnesty" position, no matter what they personally want.

Trump, on the other hand, has billions of dollars of "F*ck You!" money. He doesn't need the donor class.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 15, 2015 10:17 AM (kff5f)

96 The USA is in checkmate, and there is no way out. Trump = rearranging the chairs on the Titanic. "Goin' down in style." I will be ok. Many of you won't be. Glad I didn't have kids. Don't care anymore.

Left: Psychopaths.
Right: Morons.
Middle: Screwed Again.

Posted by: ex-everything at September 15, 2015 10:17 AM (nFICN)

97 Mussolini wanted to unite his country. Trump wants to help just on faction of this nation. Trump is no Ill Duce.
Posted by: Bert at September 15, 2015 10:17 AM (973pL)

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I think we can all unite around secure borders.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 10:18 AM (LXJ1e)

98 50 @26 - Genius.

The source of all knowledge - The Godfather.

Posted by: jwest at September 15, 2015 10:18 AM (Zs4uk)

99 92 @Insomniac

He was stomping his feet about the Iran vote being some sort of seventh level chess.
Posted by: Chupacabras at September 15, 2015 10:17 AM (V40IZ)

*types*
*deletes*
*types*
*deletes*

I hear he has a very nice pickup truck.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2015 10:18 AM (2Ojst)

100 52 Carson is moving up. On no media whatsoever.

He is getting beaucoup "media" on FNC.

Posted by: bystander at September 15, 2015 10:18 AM (hKyl0)

101 Right now otherwise reasonably solid candidates are being swamped by Trump because no one believes they will mean a change of direction. Lots of voters seem to figure anyone with an R after their name will be more of the same old-same old GOP, so there's no point in bothering with them. If not Trump, they will go with Carson or Fiorina. Anyone who doesn't have the stench of career Republican on them.

I don't think this is true. Look at Jindal's press conference the other day (live streamed here). On the wall / fence, he was gangbusters (as are almost all Rs). But, when asked about birthright citizenship for the kids of illegals, his attitude was that sure, we could look at that, it might not be a bad idea. It was all he could do not to hold his nose while he was addressing the issue. He went full weasel.

Trump is enthusiastic about dealing with illegal immigration. He has a no holds barred attitude about combating the problem. If a GOPer truly embraced the issued, they just might have a chance.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 15, 2015 10:18 AM (IN7k+)

102 "Drew, I'm seeing Trump as the fuck you candidate in a fuck you election.
This is the effect of a dis-satisfied base with a status quo party."

Yes. With, interestingly, Sanders playing something of the same role on the other side of the aisle. Ain't nobody happy with their party establishment elders right now.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 15, 2015 10:19 AM (noWW6)

103 It's a classy pickup.

Posted by: Chupacabras at September 15, 2015 10:19 AM (V40IZ)

104 Yes. With, interestingly, Sanders playing something of the same role on the other side of the aisle. Ain't nobody happy with their party establishment elders right now.

The country sucks because liberals have gotten everything they want.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 10:20 AM (CiLUq)

105 Replacing Boehner and McConnell is a good thing but if they are replaced with two other people who do nothing of substance it will easily be seen as a cheap shell game.

On immigration, nobody believes they aill do anything other than passing some sort of amnesty and that includes GOPe supporters, conservatives and everyone else.

I seem to remember an R held Congress holding Bill Clinton in check because they fought tooth and nail. Yes the R's took it on the chin and yes the American people from the bottom to the top benefited from they're work even though a number of those R's fell on their swords.

So here is a sword ladies and gent. You know what to do.

Posted by: Drider at September 15, 2015 10:20 AM (DNFK1)

106 1. Get rid of Boehner and McConnell. Now.

Yep. That would do it for me. I still wouldn't support iJeb!, but I would gladly go to Fiorina or Walker.

Posted by: Hillary's alcoholic depression at September 15, 2015 10:20 AM (T1Jm0)

107 But the GOP won't do any of this because they don't want to. They are convinced everything is fine with them and that you are the problem.

Shitty customer service, it's a brand-killer.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 15, 2015 10:20 AM (9krrF)

108 The leadership of the Stupid Party is not trying to fire the "team". It's trying to fire the fans.

Posted by: Furious George at September 15, 2015 10:21 AM (UlJ3l)

109 Smell that? That's Hector's desperation you smell in his incoherent, rambling posts. That or he sharted again. Same thing, either way.

Posted by: Country Singer at September 15, 2015 10:21 AM (8hctH)

110 Personally I remain convinced that the GOP prefer to be the minority party offering pretend opposition to the socialist Dems and enjoying the cocktail party circuit and all that sweet campaign cash.

Which if congress was serious about reducing money influence in politics campaign they would write a law that campaign donations could only be spent for actually campaigning and no more skimming for the pols. Of course they aren't going to reduce their legal graft opportunity.

Posted by: PaleRider at September 15, 2015 10:21 AM (iA/+T)

111 This is a very long post, but the open letter to Jonah Goldberg nails it, nails it hard - everything you would want to say to a conservative pundit who raises his nose to anyone thinking Trump makes a good point or two:

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/09/07/
an-open-letter-to-jonah-goldberg-re-the-gop-and-donald-trump/

Posted by: Lizzy at September 15, 2015 10:22 AM (NOIQH)

112 Trump's rise certainly has revelaed an "ickiness" to conservative voters that I had previously chosen to believe did not really exist. That's the worst part of it for me. I'm used to being disappointed by actual politicians. I've never been so disappointed with conservative voters.

Posted by: FJ Min at September 15, 2015 10:22 AM (BHcX6)

113 Matt Walsh, a Catholic writer, keeps pounding on Trump like the GOP. He also complains about the GOP not doing anything about PP. He seems to miss the point the Trump is a reaction to things like the GOPe refusing to do anything about PP.

Posted by: WOPR at September 15, 2015 10:23 AM (nRvEn)

114 Yes. With, interestingly, Sanders playing something of the same role on the other side of the aisle. Ain't nobody happy with their party establishment elders right now.

Except Trump loves America and Sanders hates it.

BTW, is there a typing equivalent to spitting after saying the name of an enemy? I'd like to do something like that every time I type BS.

*spit*

I hope his syphilis become 3rd stage this year.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 15, 2015 10:23 AM (LUgeY)

115 Interesting factoid about the chin-less McConnell.....it takes him 45 minutes to put on a pillow case.

Posted by: MrKnowItAll at September 15, 2015 10:23 AM (uJK1E)

116 Sanders playing something of the same role on the other side of the aisle. Ain't nobody happy with their party establishment elders right now.

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I disagree.

I think Sanders rise isnt because the left is dissatisfied with the current administration..... they are enamored with it. More FREE shit, more fundamental transformation, more anti free market capitalism, more doe eyed cozying up to Americas enemies.

They arent dissatified.... theyre doubling down with shot of NOS.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 15, 2015 10:23 AM (8XRCm)

117 >>Personally I remain convinced that the GOP prefer to be the minority party offering pretend opposition to the socialist Dems and enjoying the cocktail party circuit and all that sweet campaign cash.

There very own production of "Springtime for Hitler!"

Posted by: Lizzy at September 15, 2015 10:23 AM (NOIQH)

118 What the GOP needs is an honest to God shapeshifter. Willard 2016!

Posted by: Fritz at September 15, 2015 10:23 AM (UzPAd)

119 Fire Boehner and McConnell, and then pass budget bills that cover only individual areas. Make Obama veto them all if he wants to shutdown the government.

Posted by: WOPR at September 15, 2015 10:24 AM (nRvEn)

120 110 Personally I remain convinced that the GOP prefer to be the minority party offering pretend opposition to the socialist Dems and enjoying the cocktail party circuit and all that sweet campaign cash.

I think the true base of the GOP - the donors - are socially liberal and really just want low taxes and subsidies for their businesses.

So the donors are happy. That's why the view in Washington is that the GOP has done 'so much.'

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 10:24 AM (CiLUq)

121 I've never been so disappointed with conservative voters.
Posted by: FJ Min at September 15, 2015 10:22 AM (BHcX6)

Then go join the dems or move...but fuck off

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 15, 2015 10:24 AM (gf8BH)

122 I've been saying for months now that the GOP either needs to get smart or get Trump. Those are the only two choices. Simply attacking Trump's supporters as "racists" and "Nazis" is only going to destroy your party.

It's like the GOP simply doesn't exist in this reality stream. They still think that trotting out on a stage and mumbling a couple of sentences about "border security" is going to cut it. It won't. There's been a fundamental paradigm shift in America's political discourse over the past three months - and they have completely missed it. The GOP still hasn't noticed that the Overton window has been thrown wide open, and they're wondering why there's this breeze that keeps ruffling their panties.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at September 15, 2015 10:24 AM (S32rP)

123 Drew, until liberturdians actually do something -- Anything. Anything worthwhile, anything besides causing Republicans to LOSE elections we should have won (see: Pirogi, Ross)...... You and people like you have nothing to say that I want to hear.

dimocraps are the enemy of The People. Period. They are scum. They are the scummiest scumbags to ever walk the face of the earth. NOT because of their politics, but because of their lack of morals, honor, courage, reliability and their utter contempt for civilization

Anything and ANYBODY that detracts from their defeat and ultimate destruction is my enemy.

liberturdians qualify

Posted by: Uncle Rick at September 15, 2015 10:24 AM (ZbB1q)

124 New New York Times poll out today has Carson pulling even with Trump, and Trump stalling.

Posted by: Jane at September 15, 2015 10:24 AM (rDidp)

125 Look at all that Obama has done with executive orders, Trump will be forced to do the same.

There will be a mile long list of business people begging to get their hands in that pie, not career minded politicians. Grant it most will be small Gov minded individuals, with a disdain for big government. This will be a given sense most have to pay to play to get things done now a days.Its will have to end one way or another.

The GOP will be forced to grovel at the knees of Trump if he pulls this off. The crowds are getting larger at every event, people are pissed, most of all the white male.

The only question now is who will be campaign for.

My vote will be a screw you GOP vote ..period. much like all my friends and family.

Posted by: Frodus at September 15, 2015 10:25 AM (7OAjN)

126 Fire Boehner and McConnell, and then pass budget bills that cover only individual areas. Make Obama veto them all if he wants to shutdown the government.
Posted by: WOPR at September 15, 2015 10:24 AM (nRvEn)

I could live with that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 15, 2015 10:25 AM (gf8BH)

127 I've never been so disappointed with conservative voters.

Posted by: FJ Min at September 15, 2015 10:22 AM (BHcX6)

Your concern is duly noted.

Posted by: Country Singer at September 15, 2015 10:25 AM (8hctH)

128 What the GOP needs is an honest to God shapeshifter.

Wouldn't they need to recruit from among the Tribe?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 15, 2015 10:25 AM (9krrF)

129 Trump's rise certainly has revelaed an "ickiness" to conservative voters that I had previously chosen to believe did not really exist. That's the worst part of it for me. I'm used to being disappointed by actual politicians. I've never been so disappointed with conservative voters.
Posted by: FJ Min at September 15, 2015 10:22 AM (BHcX6)

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Your "concern" is duly noted.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 15, 2015 10:25 AM (8XRCm)

130 Because of this

And if they lose, so what? They still have jobs, the donor money will
still roll in and the Democrats will deliver a lot of what they want for
them.

There are no real rocks in this

The establishment and donor classes want amnesty and by God they are willing to crash the party on the rocks to get it.

But it also works for US just ignoring them because we'll get Democrat anyways.

2016 - America will have a choice between 2 old white male loudmouths again, both with bad hair.

Posted by: DaveA at September 15, 2015 10:25 AM (DL2i+)

131

Heh.....

**high fives Country Singer**

Posted by: fixerupper at September 15, 2015 10:26 AM (8XRCm)

132 The GOP was always a con job. The thing is the con fell apart when the TEA party appeared and actually wanted to do stuff.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 10:14 AM (CiLUq)

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I know Carson has support, is there people here that pick him has their first choice? I don't know of anyone that says Carson is the first choice.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 10:26 AM (LXJ1e)

133 I think Sanders rise isnt because the left is dissatisfied with the current administration..... they are enamored with it.

Yea, over at the DU they see Sanders are Obama on steroids. To them Sanders is the fastest path to the promise land of a socialist utopia.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 15, 2015 10:27 AM (sgrzZ)

134 @ 112 - I've never been so disappointed with conservative voters.

I'm thinking you have a fundamental misunderstanding about what these "election" things are supposed to be about.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at September 15, 2015 10:27 AM (S32rP)

135
**ponders a TRUMP/CARSON ticket**

Posted by: fixerupper at September 15, 2015 10:27 AM (8XRCm)

136 Anything and ANYBODY that detracts from their defeat and ultimate destruction is my enemy.

Well okay then. Go support John Boehner and let the country go further left.

Odd way of defeating them, but I'm sure it will work out.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 10:27 AM (CiLUq)

137 "110
Personally I remain convinced that the GOP prefer to be the minority
party offering pretend opposition to the socialist Dems and enjoying the
cocktail party circuit and all that sweet campaign cash."

Nice work if you can get it.

Posted by: SarahW at September 15, 2015 10:27 AM (3fTXW)

138 Nonsense, you can't fire the good old boys for a little thing like total failure. The very idea.

Next thing you know, you'll want tangible results!

Posted by: mojo at September 15, 2015 10:27 AM (OmBeX)

139 Your country is not what is once was... Come to Belize! Your smart friends are already here.

Posted by: BELIZE! at September 15, 2015 10:27 AM (gwG9s)

140 >>Trump's rise certainly has revelaed an "ickiness" to conservative voters that I had previously chosen to believe did not really exist.

Apparently you were out of the country in 2008 and 2009?

Sarah Palin and her supporters.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 15, 2015 10:27 AM (NOIQH)

141 "This is a very long post, but the open letter to Jonah Goldberg nails it"

It certainly does.

But I prefer John Nolte's formulation, in which he takes on Goldbrick's categorization of Trump as a trick candidate, "a cat trained to piss in a human toilet," and asks what ought to be an obvious question: if that's true, what does it say about the establishment GOP that they are not even able to pull off that trick?

Posted by: torquewrench at September 15, 2015 10:28 AM (noWW6)

142 Carson got his start for one thing: saying something moderately critical of President Obama while he was at a prayer breakfast.

GOPe could offer just one moderate piece of resistance to Obama and gain some credibility, and yet they refuse.

Just one thing. That's all they would need.

Posted by: blaster at September 15, 2015 10:28 AM (2Ocf1)

143 I know Carson has support, is there people here that pick him has their first choice? I don't know of anyone that says Carson is the first choice.

He is/was mine, but I think he's too pliant.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 10:28 AM (CiLUq)

144 They want Planned Parenthood to be an issue they run on in the election, so they can use the outrages to raise funds.

Lab tech smock = bloody shirt.

Posted by: DaveA at September 15, 2015 10:28 AM (DL2i+)

145
Mitch and Boner have discovered the solution and are hard at work on creating a new problem for the situation.

Posted by: GBruno at September 15, 2015 10:29 AM (u49WF)

146 Just one thing. The "deport them all plan" isn't ridiculous. Its entirely doable. Its the establishment that says "Oh its too hard" or "It'll be too expensive" which is just code for, "We don't want to do it, and we'll throw any excuse out there that you rubes will buy". So fuck that. We move millions of people around this country every day! We move millions of tons of cargo around this country every day! We have the best logistics companies in the world. And don't forget no one said "boo" when Obama moved tens of thousands of illegals around the country.No one is saying boo about moving tens of thousands of Muslims from Syria to here. It doesn't have to be done overnight, but every last one of these criminals has to go. And declaring that you are willing to do whatever it takes to do it will be more of a deterrent and more of a vote getter than anything else.

Posted by: Iblis at September 15, 2015 10:29 AM (tAYH3)

147 "New New York Times poll out today has Carson pulling even with Trump, and Trump stalling."

Oh joy. Just who we need. Colin Powell, M.D.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 15, 2015 10:30 AM (noWW6)

148 Carson got his start for one thing: saying something moderately critical of President Obama while he was at a prayer breakfast.

Posted by: blaster at September 15, 2015 10:28 AM (2Ocf1)

Point of order: he had the balls to say it to the SCOAMF's face. That's what got him the start.

Posted by: Country Singer at September 15, 2015 10:30 AM (8hctH)

149 144 I know Carson has support, is there people here that pick him has their first choice? I don't know of anyone that says Carson is the first choice.

He is/was mine, but I think he's too pliant.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 10:28 AM (CiLUq)

I like him. Actually alot. But, he's not my first choice, he's too soft on the 2nd Amendment.

Posted by: Iblis at September 15, 2015 10:30 AM (tAYH3)

150 139 Nonsense, you can't fire the good old boys for a little thing like total failure. The very idea.

Next thing you know, you'll want tangible results!
Posted by: mojo at September 15, 2015 10:27 AM (OmBeX)

You don't know what it's like out there! I've WORKED in the private sector! They expect RESULTS!

Posted by: Ray Stantz at September 15, 2015 10:31 AM (2Ojst)

151 112 Trump's rise certainly has revelaed an "ickiness" to conservative voters that I had previously chosen to believe did not really exist. That's the worst part of it for me. I'm used to being disappointed by actual politicians. I've never been so disappointed with conservative voters.
Posted by: FJ Min at September 15, 2015 10:22 AM (BHcX6)

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Yes, the ickiness of secure borders and sane immigration policy. Everyone can agree we need secure borders and a sane immigration policy.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 10:31 AM (LXJ1e)

152 >>But I prefer John Nolte's formulation..

I'll have to check that out....

Posted by: Lizzy at September 15, 2015 10:31 AM (NOIQH)

153 How is it that we will be able to deport some (large) number of illegals after we determine that they are the bad ones, but we are somehow physically incapable of deporting them before this?

This is always how they present it. Can't really deport anyone now. Just too hard. But let's us register them, and sort out the scofflaws, and then we'll chuck them bastards out so fast, youbetcha!

How does that work, exactly? Why can't we just chuck them all now?

Posted by: revolting peasant at September 15, 2015 10:31 AM (KNAVF)

154

"New Banning Policy" about as well enforced as our Old Immigration Laws....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 15, 2015 10:32 AM (kdS6q)

155 150 posts and not a single mention of Cruz - what's up with that?
He is now my top pick, but why not more love for him around here?

Posted by: Chi at September 15, 2015 10:32 AM (df5yj)

156 Posted by: FJ Min at September 15, 2015 10:22 AM (BHcX6)

GFY and DIAF. But first...

Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2015 10:32 AM (2Ojst)

157 He is/was mine, but I think he's too pliant.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk

I like Carson a lot, as a person. But, I think he is too much of a nice guy. I would love to see him running HHS. I think he would be fantastic there.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 15, 2015 10:32 AM (sgrzZ)

158 There are flash floods in Utah and that Warren Jeffries cult is getting swept away. They have photos on DM. I wonder what those woman are going to do without hairspray. They buy it by the cases. lol.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 15, 2015 10:32 AM (iQIUe)

159 This is always how they present it. Can't really deport anyone now. Just too hard. But let's us register them, and sort out the scofflaws, and then we'll chuck them bastards out so fast, youbetcha!

If eleven million people can ignore the federal government, why can't the 71 million people who support Kim Davis?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 10:32 AM (CiLUq)

160 How does that work, exactly? Why can't we just chuck them all now?
Posted by: revolting peasant at September 15, 2015 10:31 AM (KNAVF)

You expect a government public sector union member to actually work????? You barbarian!

Posted by: Iblis at September 15, 2015 10:33 AM (tAYH3)

161 I know Carson has support, is there people here that pick him has their first choice? I don't know of anyone that says Carson is the first choice.

Let me let you in on a little secret: I like Ben Carson. He has shortcomings, of course. His stated stand on the 2A indicates a fundamental lack of understanding in basic constitutional and legal principles; and I think he trusts the apparatus of government too much. But he's a good, moral, trustworthy man so far as I can tell.

But...what's the saying? A good man won't go to the lengths required...

I suppose it's all a matter of what you want out of it now. I want retribution and a clearing of dead wood to rebuild anew, and that means sending Trumpzilla through to wreck K Street and its environs.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 15, 2015 10:33 AM (9krrF)

162 Aaaaand right on cue, John McCain is using a blown-up photo of the dead Syrian toddler to push for moar Syrian refugees to the U.S. (over at WZ).

But no, stupid GOP voters, we can't - and apparently don't have a moral obligation to - stop Planned Parenthood from harvesting the organs of live (mostly American) babies.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 15, 2015 10:33 AM (NOIQH)

163 156 150 posts and not a single mention of Cruz - what's up with that?
He is now my top pick, but why not more love for him around here?

He voted to give Iran a nuclear weapon.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 10:33 AM (CiLUq)

164 @ 147 - The "deport them all plan" isn't ridiculous.

I dunno 'bout that. I heard from some reliable sources on Capitol Hill that "sending millions of undocumented potential Americans back to their home countries" is exactly the same - physically, morally, logistically - as rounding up millions of Jews and gassing them in concentration camps.

Makes you wonder what they're implicitly saying about those home countries...

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at September 15, 2015 10:33 AM (S32rP)

165 Just one thing. The "deport them all plan" isn't ridiculous. Its entirely doable. ...

Posted by: Iblis at September 15, 2015 10:29 AM (tAYH3)

I remember a liberal squish named Eisenhower doing exactly that when I was a boy.

People got tired of him because he played too much golf, so they took a chance and elected a Catholic.

Good times..

Posted by: jwb7605 at September 15, 2015 10:34 AM (M+9nV)

166 Your so right it's scary. The one switch is Bernie Sanders. He has to be frightening the heck out of the GOP big donors.

Posted by: scarry at September 15, 2015 10:34 AM (HSAmh)

167 " And anyone who supports him is an idiot and maybe even a racist."

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Had a conversation with my wife recently? So bad, I can't even play strip poker without her losing her shirt over this issue.

Her: "I got 3 of a kind"
Me: "I got a Royal flush, which trumps your 3 of a kind"
Her: "What kind of a$$hole would support that sexist racist a$$hole"
Me: "Babe, I won"
Her: "TRUMP WILL NEVER WIN!!"
Me: "uh, ur shirt is still on."

Posted by: Penfold at September 15, 2015 10:34 AM (Fbt5B)

168
The GOPe has become the equivalent of the "janitor police".
They'll show up at the podium eventually to reiterate their need for more money, votes and your understanding that this process takes time.

Posted by: GBruno at September 15, 2015 10:35 AM (u49WF)

169 I dunno 'bout that. I heard from some reliable sources on Capitol Hill that "sending millions of undocumented potential Americans back to their home countries" is exactly the same - physically, morally, logistically - as rounding up millions of Jews and gassing them in concentration camps.

Makes you wonder what they're implicitly saying about those home countries...
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at September 15, 2015 10:33 AM (S32rP)

BULLFICKIN SHIT. Any idiot who says that is a fuckin lowlife idiot who should read a history book once in a blue moon or is so stupid they should stop breathing and stop wasting our time and resources. Not that I have a strong opinion on that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 15, 2015 10:36 AM (gf8BH)

170 I like Carson a lot, as a person. But, I think he is
too much of a nice guy. I would love to see him running HHS. I think he
would be fantastic there.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 15, 2015 10:32 AM (sgrzZ)

Concur, either in HHS or as Surgeon General. We haven't had a C. Everett Coop-type SG since, well, C. Everett Coop. Carson has the personality and medical gravitas that Coop had.

Posted by: Country Singer at September 15, 2015 10:36 AM (8hctH)

171 >>If eleven million people can ignore the federal government, why can't the 71 million people who support Kim Davis?

It's closer to 34 million.

And if we can provide at least half of them with welfare, food stamps, divers licenses, public schooling, college scholarships, health care via a government-run website...then yes, we can find them and motivate them to go home.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 15, 2015 10:36 AM (NOIQH)

172 This will be the wake up call to the rest of the GOP "base" that the GOP
is not a vehicle for conservatism at all and is merely a speed bump for
progressive governance.

Didn't happen last time and,
instead of speed bump the word you looking for is collaborator.

Posted by: DaveA at September 15, 2015 10:36 AM (DL2i+)

173 165 156 150 posts and not a single mention of Cruz - what's up with that?
He is now my top pick, but why not more love for him around here?

He voted to give Iran a nuclear weapon.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 10:33 AM (CiLUq)

Cruz is my #1 guy. I sent him money. But the Corker thing and his H1B visa support piss me off. Good thing I don't expect salvation from a politician. If he goes full Trump on immigration, I'll start sending him some more money.

Posted by: Iblis at September 15, 2015 10:36 AM (tAYH3)

174 Hector's still an asshole, now trying to shit up the blog with racist claptrap.

We're not racists like you, Serbian.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 10:36 AM (CiLUq)

175 "I know Carson has support, is there people here that pick him has their first choice?"

Good God, NO.

All you need to know about Carson: he opined that if he had been the cop confronted by Michael Brown in Ferguson, he "probably would have arrested" Brown instead of shooting him.

::: pause :::

So imagine you're Darren Wilson, that cop. Brown, who is the size and weight of an NFL linebacker, with fists the size of canned hams, and who is hallucinating on drugs, has leaned into your cop car, pressing you down into the seat, where he is pummeling and beating the shit out of you to where you're struggling to retain consciousness. You're trying desperately to keep him from doing that because if it happens, you're going to die. But he's also grabbing with those huge catcher's-mitt hands for your gun, with the evident intention of shooting you dead with it.

But wait! Here's Dr. Ben Carson with expert medical advice.

Just _arrest the guy_.

Simple as that! Easy peasy! No need for violence.

::: facepalm :::

Posted by: torquewrench at September 15, 2015 10:36 AM (noWW6)

176
Hey Mitch...do you feel a warming sensation in the trouser region?

Posted by: GBruno at September 15, 2015 10:37 AM (u49WF)

177 The biggest problem with voting for politicians is that we elect politicians.

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at September 15, 2015 10:37 AM (/eTPT)

178 Is someone going to take care of the asshole racist socking another user here?

Posted by: irright at September 15, 2015 10:37 AM (pMGkg)

179 I like Carson a lot, as a person. But, I think he is too much of a nice guy. I would love to see him running HHS. I think he would be fantastic there.
Posted by: wrg500 at September 15, 2015 10:32 AM (sgrzZ)

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Carson needs to drop out and run for the mayor of Balitmore. It's were he can do the greatest good.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 10:37 AM (LXJ1e)

180 A Drew post dumping on Republicans? Day must end in -y or something. A strange focus for someone who's basically taken his ball and gone home.

Posted by: c1983a at September 15, 2015 10:37 AM (gI9Bk)

181 The solution is old, but it would be political suicide.

A bounty. $10 a head, turn 'em in. Enforcement agents (bounty hunters) able to use any non-lethal means to meet resistance, no arrest warrants required.

Turn 'em in.

Like I said, political suicide. The Mexican government would scream bloody murder and hurl every ism they could think of. As would the usual suspects here. Then there's the UN, which is perfectly ok with carpet-bombing Yemen, but somehow always finds the US guilty of near-Nazi atrocities.

Posted by: mojo at September 15, 2015 10:38 AM (OmBeX)

182 >>150 posts and not a single mention of Cruz - what's up with that?
He is now my top pick, but why not more love for him around here?

Cruz fan here - I'm just waiting for him to step it up. Think he's been playing the long game w/Trump.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 15, 2015 10:38 AM (NOIQH)

183 Hector brings his own racism because he knows he won't find any here.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at September 15, 2015 10:38 AM (oVJmc)

184 @ 161 - If eleven million people can ignore the federal government, why can't the 71 million people who support Kim Davis?

Because they're all bigots. And shut up.

Posted by: Social Justice Warrior at September 15, 2015 10:38 AM (S32rP)

185 I have no dog in this fight because I'm not a Republican and I can't vote for Trump or anyone in a primary and I'll likely vote Libertarian in the general.

So, you're not going to vote in the primary, and are practically declaring you will be another reason why Democrats get more electoral votes in the general; here's some advice?

DrewM: Your logic is a train wreck. I am now ignoring your advice on principle: The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy.

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at September 15, 2015 10:38 AM (sJuWI)

186 Supporting Cruz won't make you any less racist.

/Hector

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at September 15, 2015 10:38 AM (oVJmc)

187 Posted by: c1983a at September 15, 2015 10:37 AM (gI9Bk)

Not too in touch with the zeitgeist around here, are you?

Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2015 10:39 AM (2Ojst)

188 And I still don't feel bad for voting against McCain.

Posted by: Chupacabras at September 15, 2015 10:39 AM (V40IZ)

189 Hector, under a Trump fan nic, is violating the blog rules.

Anyone with ban-hammering ability care?????

Posted by: Lizzy at September 15, 2015 10:39 AM (NOIQH)

190 Aaaaand right on cue, John McCain is using a blown-up photo of the dead Syrian toddler to push for moar Syrian refugees to the U.S. (over at WZ).
__________________________

You mean the dead Syrian kid who had been living safely in Turkey for the past three years, before his idiot father (who has been identified by several other passengers as the captain of the smuggling boat) decided to go to Europe so that he could get "refugee" status for his family, which would mean more "free" money and "free" medical care, like the expensive dental work that daddy wanted but couldn't get in Turkey?

I feel sorry for the kids, who certainly didn't deserve what happened to them. But they were not legitimate "refugees," and their tragic deaths are no reason to allow more Muslim immigrants into the U.S. (which has been taking in 280,000+ Muslims a year since Obama took office, which is already far more than we can assimilate. See, e.g., the Somali ISIS recruiting going on in Minnesota, the Boston bombers, etc.)

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 15, 2015 10:40 AM (a31sM)

191 ::: facepalm :::
Posted by: torquewrench at September 15, 2015 10:36 AM (noWW6)

This year's choices seem to boil down to whether we want a non-politician who can think on his feet, or a non-politician who need time to analyze the situation.

In my view, that's the big difference. Do you want Patton or Eisenhower?

Posted by: jwb7605 at September 15, 2015 10:40 AM (M+9nV)

192 For years Republicans have been complaining that nobody does anything about illegal immigration. They've been complaining that they are tired of career politicians. They've been complaining that they're tired of the old boys club in DC.

So here comes a genuine outsider to DC, a non career politician who wants to do something about illegal immigration. And what is the response from 60-70% of Republicans? OH MY FUCKING GOD!!! Trump is the worstest person ever for the job. We need someone with experience (read an insider career politican) who won't alienate Hispanics (read won't do shit about illegal immigration).

It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 15, 2015 10:40 AM (0LHZx)

193 194 Hector, under a Trump fan nic, is violating the blog rules.

Anyone with ban-hammering ability care?????
Posted by: Lizzy at September 15, 2015 10:39 AM (NOIQH)

Hector goes on these jags for hours here.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 10:40 AM (CiLUq)

194 "not a single mention of Cruz - what's up with that?"

Obamatrade.
The Corker Iran deal.
Support for a massive expansion of H-1B visas.

On that last part, anyone who hasn't should read this Breitbart piece. By an IT professional at Disney, one of America's most profitable corporations, forced to train the incoming H-1B "coolie coder" imported to take their job away.

http://tinyurl.com/omf2hej

Posted by: torquewrench at September 15, 2015 10:40 AM (noWW6)

195 The GOP thought they had neutralized the issue by having all the candidates agree to mouth the same meaningless talking point about "securing the border" and "path to legalization because we just can't deport 11,000,000 people." If all the candidates agree, then voters really don't have a choice. So, the issue is neutralized.

Trump upset the apple cart when he came up with his, "Deport now, and then build a wall." It was a gamechanger, though the GOP is loathe to admit that the voters might be responding to his immigration position instead of his "celebrity."

Posted by: V the K at September 15, 2015 10:40 AM (O7MnT)

196 But...what's the saying? A good man won't go to the lengths required...

I suppose it's all a matter of what you want out of it now. I want retribution and a clearing of dead wood to rebuild anew, and that means sending Trumpzilla through to wreck K Street and its environs.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 15, 2015 10:33 AM (9krrF)

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I agree, but who is supporting Carson? My guess it is the evangelical voters that normally would have supported Huckabee and maybe Santorum. Is there some Jeb! support going his way too?

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 10:40 AM (LXJ1e)

197
Makes you wonder what they're implicitly saying about those home countries...
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at September 15, 2015 10:33 AM (S32rP)

Oh yeah, the Krauthammer "it's obscene to enforce the law" argument. Yeah, of course no one talks about the obscenity of these countries dumping their poor and their criminals on us. Mexico has tremendous natural resources, and tremendous human capital, yet their elites greed and corruption mean they won't use it to the betterment of their own people. Yet no one from the Pope on down will condemn these leaders and elites.

Posted by: Iblis at September 15, 2015 10:40 AM (tAYH3)

198 My english is especially crappy today.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 10:41 AM (LXJ1e)

199 190 174
Those welfare benefits should go only to white Americans. What I find refreshing about Trump is his support of the welfare state. White folks should taken care of by the government.

Only if they promise to live in Florida.

Posted by: mojo at September 15, 2015 10:42 AM (OmBeX)

200 I've never been so disappointed with conservative voters.

ignore_user(KTHNXBAI)

Posted by: DaveA at September 15, 2015 10:42 AM (DL2i+)

201 Hello, now he's making death threats?

Posted by: Lizzy at September 15, 2015 10:42 AM (NOIQH)

202 It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

Kind of calls out the GOP on their bullshit doesn't it?

Let's be honest, the GOP is a corporatist party hiding behind phony conservative rhetoric.

And the Democrat Party is a corporatist party hiding behind social justice rhetoric.

Posted by: V the K at September 15, 2015 10:42 AM (O7MnT)

203 "Do you want Patton or Eisenhower?"

Curtis LeMay.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 15, 2015 10:43 AM (noWW6)

204 Hector, under a Trump fan nic, is violating the blog rules.

Wait - that's against the rules now?

I guess I'll have to stop posting as a fake John Nance Garner supporter now...

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at September 15, 2015 10:43 AM (S32rP)

205 He voted to give Iran a nuclear weapon.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 10:33 AM (CiLUq)
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I thought that a bit of political strategy - someone here linked and/or explained it well.
He had to vote for it at the time to make t I'm to block the deal? Or to force Obama's hand on some particulars?

I looked for a few minute s, but couldn't find what I was directed to right away...
I'll keep looking. But thanks.

Posted by: Chi at September 15, 2015 10:44 AM (df5yj)

206 200 185
If Latinos resist we kill them. Illegals are,just the tip of the iceberg. We need to eliminate all Spanish people from our soul.
Posted by: Taking America back at September 15, 2015 10:40 AM (SS4vr)

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Ha ha, funny. We all love Spanish people.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 10:44 AM (LXJ1e)

207 211 Hector, under a Trump fan nic, is violating the blog rules.

Wait - that's against the rules now?

I guess I'll have to stop posting as a fake John Nance Garner supporter now...
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at September 15, 2015 10:43 AM (S32rP)

He's posting about killing Mexicans.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 10:44 AM (CiLUq)

208 and really just want low taxes and subsidies for their businesses.

Doesn't matter if taxes are low just that they're steady and barriers to competition.

Posted by: DaveA at September 15, 2015 10:44 AM (DL2i+)

209
Hector...Anyone with ban-hammering ability care?????
Posted by: Lizzy

http://tinyurl.com/nzsfefx

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 15, 2015 10:44 AM (kdS6q)

210 So far it seems blacks are loving Trump, especially on illegal immigration....

Posted by: marine43 at September 15, 2015 10:45 AM (Qovtd)

211 Can we please also stop using the mythical 11M illegal figure please? It's more like 30M.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 15, 2015 10:45 AM (0LHZx)

212 100
52 Carson is moving up. On no media whatsoever.

He is getting beaucoup "media" on FNC.

He's was getting love on the old guard networks too last weekend. I think they're desperately trying to upend Trump now and see Carson as the only GOP alternative. Then the Dems can beat him handily. He just seems kinda slow and sleepy on TV, where Trump is more exciting to watch.

Yeah I'm kind of a Trumpette right now. So sue me.

Posted by: Jeanne up north at September 15, 2015 10:45 AM (1p8kj)

213 >>I feel sorry for the kids, who certainly didn't deserve what happened to them. But they were not legitimate "refugees," and their tragic deaths are no reason to allow more Muslim immigrants into the U.S.

That's the thing - the kids are always hardest his in any war. It's heartbreaking and unfair. And yet - we are being put in a position where our betters are making a decision about whose children are the future - theirs or ours. Life doesn't always present easy, feel-good decisions, but do we really think it is our moral obligation to take in more potential Tsarnaevs?

Posted by: Lizzy at September 15, 2015 10:45 AM (NOIQH)

214
When did this weirdly turn into a racial thread?

Posted by: GBruno at September 15, 2015 10:45 AM (u49WF)

215 Ha ha, funny. We all love Spanish people.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 10:44 AM (LXJ1e)

Spanish? Meh. Now Portuguese there's some lovin!

Posted by: Iblis at September 15, 2015 10:46 AM (tAYH3)

216 Just one thing. That's all they would need.

Well, that and this remote control...

and this ashtray...

and this paddleball game...

That's all they need.

Posted by: Navin Johnson at September 15, 2015 10:46 AM (LUgeY)

217 207 197
Hispanics need to be removed from America. They are a cancer on this nation and are ruining our bloodlines via intermarriage.
Posted by: Taking America back at September 15, 2015 10:42 AM (SS4vr)

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We love Hispanics, they have some tasty food.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 10:46 AM (LXJ1e)

218 222
When did this weirdly turn into a racial thread?
Posted by: GBruno at September 15, 2015 10:45 AM (u49WF)

When our fuckstick serial troll showed up.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2015 10:46 AM (2Ojst)

219 DrewM,

I find your lack of concern over our borders disturbing. A nation that does not have defined borders is not a nation. People who are inculcated in socialist beliefs with a corrupt government will not suddenly come to the USA and transform into conservatives or libertarians.

Grow up.

Posted by: NJRob at September 15, 2015 10:46 AM (g1dux)

220 @ 214 - He's posting about killing Mexicans.

Then ban him!

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at September 15, 2015 10:46 AM (S32rP)

221 I thought that a bit of political strategy - someone here linked and/or explained it well.
He had to vote for it at the time to make t I'm to block the deal? Or to force Obama's hand on some particulars?

No, it was a move by McConnell to head off a constitutional showdown.

The reason he voted for it (and 97 other senators) was that McConnell wanted to win a news cycle where Obama would be 'repudiated' by the Senate.

Democrats understood, naturally, that it meant the Iran deal would pass, which explains their unanimous support.

Cruz was being a good boy at the time and voting like his boss told him.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 10:47 AM (CiLUq)

222 I learned everything I need to know about commenting online from Trolling For Dummies.

IOW, I is an idiot.

Ignore me. Please.

Posted by: Taking America back at September 15, 2015 10:47 AM (a31sM)

223 @ 222 - When did this weirdly turn into a racial thread?

When Hector showed up with full bowels and an empty head.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at September 15, 2015 10:47 AM (S32rP)

224 Reading this article is like watching Charles Dumar coach skiing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEHZJNQ5Y4A

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at September 15, 2015 10:47 AM (sJuWI)

225 228 @ 214 - He's posting about killing Mexicans.

Then ban him!
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at September 15, 2015 10:46 AM (S32rP)

I um, don't have that power.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 10:47 AM (CiLUq)

226 217 So far it seems blacks are loving Trump, especially on illegal immigration....
Posted by: marine43 at September 15, 2015 10:45 AM (Qovtd)

So now blacks are racists too? Trump has done it! The mad bastard has done it! He's INVERTED THE UNIVERSE!!!!!

Posted by: Iblis at September 15, 2015 10:47 AM (tAYH3)

227 210 "Do you want Patton or Eisenhower?"
Curtis LeMay.
Posted by: torquewrench at September 15, 2015 10:43 AM (noWW6)

I like Fiorina too.
But I suspect she's going nowhere, unless Carson gets the nod.

Posted by: jwb7605 at September 15, 2015 10:48 AM (M+9nV)

228 I like Fiorina too.
But I suspect she's going nowhere, unless Carson gets the nod.
Posted by: jwb7605 at September 15, 2015 10:48 AM (M+9nV)

She's going to be VP.

Posted by: Iblis at September 15, 2015 10:49 AM (tAYH3)

229 I gots me an itch.

Posted by: Scratching America's Back at September 15, 2015 10:50 AM (W5DcG)

230 When the 30M illegals become legal and can vote, everything else goes away. Texas, Arizona, Colorado will be bright blue including 6 bright blue Dem senate seats.

Georgia and North Carolina will be light blue. Virginia is already basically gone, but will be like California gone.

So if you want amnesty, you really want a Democrat majority for the next 30-40 years.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 15, 2015 10:50 AM (0LHZx)

231 All of us down at the Brattleboro Women's Reproductive Health Choice
Clinic think President Obama should sit down and shut up. Trump ios not qualified to be Presdent and should stop lying about our Presdent of Color and persons of color in general. Trump has not produced one job for persons of color and still thibnks they are to stooped to even have a job. No one in Brattleboro will be voting for that idiot. Trump probably will screw up the economy that Presdet Obama has fixed from the Bush disaster. Trump lied and persons of color in America cried.....

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at September 15, 2015 10:50 AM (lNSdJ)

232 When did this weirdly turn into a racial thread?

Strangely, these threads only take on a racial component when a leftist troll shows up.

Posted by: V the K at September 15, 2015 10:50 AM (O7MnT)

233 Just in case you forgot what a stupid asshole Glenn Beck is.

http://tinyurl.com/nhcr36p

Posted by: Boss Moss at September 15, 2015 10:50 AM (J3zDg)

234 It's way past time for the Banhammer of Loving Kindness to be used on our Soros cocksucker trolls.

Posted by: Navin Johnson at September 15, 2015 10:51 AM (LUgeY)

235 I don't really think getting rid of McConnell of Boehner is the way to kneecap Trump. Don't get me wrong, I'd probably get drunk and streak my neighborhood if it happened, but that's not going to happen for a number of simple reasons. Nor are the going to be able to seize control on immigration.

How they might actually kneecap Trump is somewhat easy:

1. Stop attacking him (Ironically) and his supporters, and attack the Donks.

2. Co-opt his *style*, not necessarily his message. Not hairstyles or flamboyance, but essentially telling the media to fuck off, and stop apologizing. Trump is really not very good at this tactic, but he's basically the only one doing it and he's taking it to 11. That's why he's standing out.

The public seems to be tired of the focus grouped, massaged bullshit from the political class and that's why Trump and Sanders are surging. Nothing in the existing "data" showed ANY of this, therefore the data we've been fed for years is shit.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 15, 2015 10:51 AM (Wckf4)

236 237 227
These people are ~~rats~~ immigrating illegally. We need to ~~keep them out~~send them home.
Posted by: ~~Taking America back~~ tired of commie sockpuppets at September 15, 2015 10:48 AM (SS4vr)

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at September 15, 2015 10:51 AM (sJuWI)

237 Drew - Cleanup, please.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 15, 2015 10:51 AM (9mTYi)

238 232 213
We want these people gone from our soul. Trump will get the process started of de-Hispanicizing America.
Posted by: Taking America back at September 15, 2015 10:47 AM (SS4vr)

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Nope just people here illegally. Doesn't matter what nationality or ethnicity.

Trump supporters love all nationalities and races.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 10:51 AM (LXJ1e)

239
When did this weirdly turn into a racial thread?

Well you see, there's the Hector Factor. Then there's the Drew Revenge Squad ready to pounce on any thread he posts. And the GOPe flacks and interns. And I think a few text generating bots.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 15, 2015 10:52 AM (kdS6q)

240 That new Diskworld book keeps taunting me from my Amazon recommendations list.

Though I know it shouldn't be bought, just like the three preceding it.

Posted by: Chupacabras at September 15, 2015 10:52 AM (V40IZ)

241 244 Just in case you forgot what a stupid asshole Glenn Beck is.
http://tinyurl.com/nhcr36p
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 15, 2015 10:50 AM (J3zDg)

I get the impression he would be Huckabee's choice for VP.

Posted by: jwb7605 at September 15, 2015 10:52 AM (M+9nV)

242
Seems more like gang of trolls today.

Posted by: GBruno at September 15, 2015 10:52 AM (u49WF)

243 Banhammer plz

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 15, 2015 10:52 AM (ZHqOr)

244 The future must not belong to those who slander The Donald.

Posted by: jwpaine, otherized for your protection at September 15, 2015 10:52 AM (wKcQA)

245 So if you want amnesty, you really want a Democrat majority for the next 30-40 years.

No, no, no, no... you conservative idiotas just don't understand.

1. Give Amnesty to Millions of Illegals
2. ??????????
3. Republican victory.

It's simple math, idiotas.

Posted by: Marco Rubio at September 15, 2015 10:52 AM (O7MnT)

246 The first rule of trolls is DO NOT COPY AND PASTE THE TROLL'S COMMENTS!!!!! Sorry for the caps overuse, but dammit, somebody had to do it.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2015 10:52 AM (2Ojst)

247 244 Just in case you forgot what a stupid asshole Glenn Beck is.

http://tinyurl.com/nhcr36p
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 15, 2015 10:50 AM (J3zDg)

No teddy bears this time?

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at September 15, 2015 10:53 AM (sJuWI)

248 All of us down at the Brattleboro Women's Reproductive Health Choice Clinic think President Obama should sit down and shut up.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at September 15, 2015 10:50 AM (lNSdJ)

_____________

Finally, something we can agree on!

Posted by: Rational American Voter at September 15, 2015 10:53 AM (a31sM)

249 244 Just in case you forgot what a stupid asshole Glenn Beck is.

http://tinyurl.com/nhcr36p
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 15, 2015 10:50 AM (J3zDg)

He has completely lost his shit.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2015 10:53 AM (2Ojst)

250 Posted by: jwb7605 at September 15, 2015 10:48 AM (M+9nV)

She's going to be VP.
Posted by: Iblis at September 15, 2015 10:49 AM (tAYH3)

What a treasure. An entitled feminazi who gets mad at people for saying things.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 10:53 AM (CiLUq)

251 Deportation of illegals is not needed unless they are arrest for something beside being here. We also do not need a big 2000 mile wall that will cost in the billions to build.

If we take away the incentives for illegals to come here they will quit coming and the ones here will go back.

1. End ALL welfare for illegals
2. Fine and/or jail people who hire them
3. Jail the multiple offenders than deport them

Germany is finding out the hard way that providing benefits for illegals will result in a flood of illegals.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at September 15, 2015 10:54 AM (t2KH5)

252 Off, poor black child sock.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 15, 2015 10:54 AM (LUgeY)

253 240 225
We don't love them hence why we support Trump.
Posted by: Taking America back at September 15, 2015 10:50 AM (SS4vr)

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We do love them, hence our support for secure borders and sane immigration policy.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 10:54 AM (LXJ1e)

254 For every 10 suspected Trumpetdaddys, if there are even one or two real ones, they all need to be purged.

Posted by: Rep. Jared Polaris at September 15, 2015 10:55 AM (Dwehj)

255 I think ace or one of the COBs need to come in and apply the banhammer for some of the blatant racism going on here.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at September 15, 2015 10:55 AM (t2KH5)

256
Fiorina

She's going to be VP.
Posted by: Iblis

Of Iran. She's got an in with the right people.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 15, 2015 10:55 AM (kdS6q)

257 1. End ALL welfare for illegals
2. Fine and/or jail people who hire them
3. Jail the multiple offenders than deport them

4. Make identity theft a deportable felony.

Posted by: V the K at September 15, 2015 10:55 AM (O7MnT)

258 258 The first rule of trolls is DO NOT COPY AND PASTE THE TROLL'S COMMENTS!!!!! Sorry for the caps overuse, but dammit, somebody had to do it.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2015 10:52 AM (2Ojst)

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I don't follow that rule. I out troll the troll.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 10:55 AM (LXJ1e)

259 So where is a good conservative to go, who:

1. Doesn't like Trump because he is a flim-flam populist con artist who holds no real principles or convictions

2. Doesn't like the socialists running the Dems because they are socialists

3. Doesn't like the GOP leadership because they are feckless wimps

4. Doesn't like the Libertarians because they are for open borders

???

Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2015 10:56 AM (2XMpf)

260 Banhammer these imbeciles before Ace gets in trouble.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 15, 2015 10:57 AM (LUgeY)

261 273 So where is a good conservative to go, who:

1. Doesn't like Trump because he is a flim-flam populist con artist who holds no real principles or convictions

2. Doesn't like the socialists running the Dems because they are socialists

3. Doesn't like the GOP leadership because they are feckless wimps

4. Doesn't like the Libertarians because they are for open borders

???
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2015 10:56 AM (2XMpf)

Peruvia.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2015 10:57 AM (2Ojst)

262 She's going to be VP.

Yeah, about that. If you think the left went over the top with Mittens's "47%" remark, just wait until they run the attack ads about all the jobs she cut and exported at HP.

Posted by: V the K at September 15, 2015 10:57 AM (O7MnT)

263 You Trump hates are operating under the false premise that Trump is just like all the other Politicians and will renege on his promises. The thing that makes Trump different is that he CAN'T do that. Any Congress critter can do that and get away with it because they are unaffected by the backlash. Their income stream is not based on their popularity. They are immune. Many can easily be re-elected even with a brutal screw job on the public because only their constituents vote. The rest of the country has to grab their ankles and take it. Trump has EVERYTHING to lose if he doesn't produce. His money is dependant on the people, if he screws us we can actually effect his profitability. He is the perfect person right now, he cant be bought, and he is beholden to the public for the health of his personal empire. That is why the political class hates him right now. What he says now is what he has to produce later; or his empire folds.

Posted by: Walknot at September 15, 2015 10:57 AM (FnHBZ)

264 I thought it would be obvious by now, chemjeff: you have no home.

Posted by: Chupacabras at September 15, 2015 10:57 AM (V40IZ)

265 273 So where is a good conservative to go, who:

1. Doesn't like Trump because he is a flim-flam populist con artist who holds no real principles or convictions

2. Doesn't like the socialists running the Dems because they are socialists

3. Doesn't like the GOP leadership because they are feckless wimps

4. Doesn't like the Libertarians because they are for open borders

???
Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2015 10:56 AM (2XMpf)

Your local torch and pitchfork outlet?

Posted by: Iblis at September 15, 2015 10:57 AM (tAYH3)

266 Has Beck started crying on TV for the refugees so we know he's really passionate yet? Because a grown ass man crying on TV gets me every time.

/s

Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 15, 2015 10:57 AM (Wckf4)

267 264 Deportation of illegals is not needed unless they are arrest for something beside being here. We also do not need a big 2000 mile wall that will cost in the billions to build.

If we take away the incentives for illegals to come here they will quit coming and the ones here will go back.

1. End ALL welfare for illegals
2. Fine and/or jail people who hire them
3. Jail the multiple offenders than deport them

Germany is finding out the hard way that providing benefits for illegals will result in a flood of illegals.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at September 15, 2015 10:54 AM (t2KH5)

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Let's build a wall AND remove the incentives, just to be sure. Billions is a drop in the bucket in federal spending.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 10:57 AM (LXJ1e)

268 ???

Uh...anarchy?

Posted by: Rep. Jared Polaris at September 15, 2015 10:57 AM (Dwehj)

269 Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2015 10:56 AM (2XMpf)

americanconservativeparty.com

Posted by: Country Singer at September 15, 2015 10:58 AM (8hctH)

270 264 Deportation of illegals is not needed unless they are arrest for something beside being here. We also do not need a big 2000 mile wall that will cost in the billions to build.
If we take away the incentives for illegals to come here they will quit coming and the ones here will go back.
1. End ALL welfare for illegals
2. Fine and/or jail people who hire them
3. Jail the multiple offenders than deport them
Germany is finding out the hard way that providing benefits for illegals will result in a flood of illegals.
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at September 15, 2015 10:54 AM (t2KH5)

I expect Trump, Carson, or Fiorina to come up with a flavor of that at the next debate.

Whichever one of the 3 can express point #2 in a way that will not put the fear of god into "small business people" will vault into and stay in top position.

We think alike. You must not be a young whippersnapper!

Posted by: jwb7605 at September 15, 2015 10:58 AM (M+9nV)

271 270
4. Make identity theft a deportable felony.

Posted by: V the K at September 15, 2015 10:55 AM (O7MnT)

It is already a felony and immigrants, even illegals, are supposed to be deported after being convicted of a felony. It just isn't being enforced under Obama.

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at September 15, 2015 10:58 AM (t2KH5)

272 274 Banhammer these imbeciles before Ace gets in trouble.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 15, 2015 10:57 AM (LUgeY)

I strongly suspect they're trying to do the same shit that Jarles Chohnson's buttbitch was doing over at Hot Gas.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2015 10:58 AM (2Ojst)

273 The 'but Democrats' scare strategy described is strikingly reminiscent of the 'but evil Republicans' scare strategy employed for decades by liberal Democrats to frighten the elderly.

It has always worked and continues to work. Given that, it is easy to see the logic of the GOP establishment. We'll see if it works, but it probably will.

If people behave like sheep, they will get the exploitative tyrannical government they deserve.

Posted by: cedric maxwell's silver hammer at September 15, 2015 10:58 AM (MJNu6)

274 1. Give Amnesty to Millions of Illegals
2. ??????????
3. Republican victory.

It's simple math, idiotas.
Posted by: Marco Rubio at September 15, 2015 10:52 AM (O7MnT)

__________

Ahh right since Hispanics are natural conservatives. I guess that makes sense. After all Mexico, Honduras and El Salvador are super duper conservative countries.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 15, 2015 10:58 AM (0LHZx)

275 Can we please also stop using the mythical 11M illegal figure please? It's more like 30M.

Pew Research Center stats say it peaked at around 12.4 mm in 2010 and was down to 11.x mm in 2014. (From memory, but I looked it up last week).

Do you have hard data?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 15, 2015 10:58 AM (JtwS4)

276 1 and 2 would indeed take the air out of the Trump balloon. Maybe Carson's too.

Which leads us to the third candidate in the latest poll: Bush

I saw him at 10 percent. He needs to be in single digits. Because he remains the insider's alternative to all of the outsiders. And the odds remain that the outsiders, Trump and Carson included, won't have the organization needed to actually secure votes when it matters, real votes and Iowa straw poll.

I keep thinking of Howard Dean. He was the (semi-) outsider who said what all the liberals wanted to hear (Iraq War Crime!) and was running away in the polls. And when it came time to actual secure votes in Iowa, Kerry's organization trumped everything. Like Jeb, few Democrats were excited about Kerry, but they supported him when it was time to start voting.

Posted by: CJ at September 15, 2015 10:58 AM (9KqcB)

277 I share Drew's skepticism that Trump will receive overwhelming votes, but who knows.

I think his support is primarily driven by a strong vocal minority, but there are many who are sort of fringe supporters - either like me and are enjoying the spectacle or like the idea of an outsider but would ultimately find it difficult to vote for him.

Obviously, his support may be deeper than I give it credit for.

I'd certainly be happy if Trump moves the Overton Window in some way - any way - that benefits conservatives.

Posted by: SH at September 15, 2015 10:58 AM (gmeXX)

278 It is not in the GOPe DNA to do any of this.

Once Jeb releases his Cracken war chest and Trump is destroyed, they will be lucky to hold a single branch of government on 2016.

There are more GOPe voters in the Republican party than conservatives. Dole, McCain, Romney et al. prove it.

Posted by: Valiant at September 15, 2015 10:58 AM (2bqlb)

279 Trump is the only GOP candidate that stands a chance of peeling off Sanders supporters.

Posted by: @votermom at September 15, 2015 10:59 AM (cbfNE)

280 Posted by: Vic-we have no party at September 15, 2015 10:54 AM (t2KH5)

Yeah, but a wall is still nice. We can poster it with graffiti stating "Beyond this point be NO FREE SH!T"

And as to the wall costing billions, take that from the stash that has been pumping out trillions. Or hire someone who can find a few billion being wasted in that $3.67 Trillion the US government is spending this year.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 15, 2015 10:59 AM (AC0lD)

281 1. End ALL welfare for illegals

End it for all noncitizens, period. If you're going to have the damn thing, at least make it a perk of being a citizen.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 15, 2015 10:59 AM (9krrF)

282 Carson is floating the idea of withholding federal funding to colleges that have speech codes.

MORE THINGS LIKE THIS PLEASE!

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 11:00 AM (CiLUq)

283 These so called racists are just Democrat Trolls.

Posted by: Boss Moss at September 15, 2015 11:00 AM (J3zDg)

284 263 241
Even removing illegals will not stop that. We need to eliminate all Latinos. There could be exceptions provided some Hispanics prove a pure white linegage and swear allegiance to the Republican party. Then they can stay.
Posted by: Taking America back at September 15, 2015 10:54 AM (SS4vr)

No just the people here illegally. Don't you support a secure border and sane immigration policy?

All my Hispanic friends agree with me.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 11:00 AM (LXJ1e)

285 258 The first rule of trolls is DO NOT COPY AND PASTE THE TROLL'S COMMENTS!!!!! Sorry for the caps overuse, but dammit, somebody had to do it.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2015 10:52 AM (2Ojst)

I edit them. If you don't like it you are free to request I be banned or have my comments removed. Either way, I don't give a DAMN what the first rule of trolls is!

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack Nathan R. Jessup at September 15, 2015 11:00 AM (sJuWI)

286 The GOP was always a con job. The thing is the con fell apart when the TEA party appeared and actually wanted to do stuff.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk

This x infinity.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 15, 2015 11:00 AM (W4LFA)

287 285 Whichever one of the 3 can express point #2 in a way
that will not put the fear of god into "small business people" will
vault into and stay in top position.

We think alike. You must not be a young whippersnapper!

Posted by: jwb7605 at September 15, 2015 10:58 AM (M+9nV)

Why not put the fear of God into ALL businesses?

Posted by: Vic-we have no party at September 15, 2015 11:00 AM (t2KH5)

288 Let's build a wall AND remove the incentives, just to be sure. Billions is a drop in the bucket in federal spending.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 10:57 AM (LXJ1e)

________

Exactly. Why does it always have to be either or. Do ALL OF THE ABOVE. Fine employer, build a wall, increase border patrol agents, etc. The wall will cost $1B. That's fucking spare change found under the couch cushion in DC. And yet so-called conservatives are freaking out over the cost.

You don't need a PhD in finance to know spending $1B to save $450B (the **yearly** cost of just illegals) is a pretty good fucking investment.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 15, 2015 11:01 AM (0LHZx)

289 298 Carson is floating the idea of withholding federal funding to colleges that have speech codes.

MORE THINGS LIKE THIS PLEASE!
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 11:00 AM (CiLUq)

I'll see that and raise you eliminating federal funding for higher ed altogether!

Posted by: Iblis at September 15, 2015 11:01 AM (tAYH3)

290 So long as the GOP uses the typical liberal/progressive tactic of attacking the man and/or motivation the longer Trump will continue to do well in the polls. This approach only makes him into a more sympathetic figure. And since when is telling people they are stupid and racist a winning approach to bringing them over to your side of the argument? Dopes. But then we knew that, right?

Posted by: steve walsh at September 15, 2015 11:01 AM (gB9nl)

291 Oh yeah, the Krauthammer "it's obscene to enforce the law" argument. Yeah, of course no one talks about the obscenity of these countries dumping their poor and their criminals on us. Mexico has tremendous natural resources, and tremendous human capital, yet their elites greed and corruption mean they won't use it to the betterment of their own people. Yet no one from the Pope on down will condemn these leaders and elites.

Posted by: Iblis at September 15, 2015 10:40 AM (tAYH3)

You Sir are absolutely correct! How come we never hear a discussion on why Mexico is run so incompetently that her people have to leave and come here to live and work? Common sense comes in last again. We should go to Mexico and demand jobs and a Constitution and free speech and everything we used to have here and make the Mexican government cater to our needs.

Posted by: Zombie Frito Bandito at September 15, 2015 11:02 AM (D0NZx)

292 I keep thinking of Howard Dean. He was the (semi-) outsider who said what all the liberals wanted to hear (Iraq War Crime!) and was running away in the polls. And when it came time to actual secure votes in Iowa, Kerry's organization trumped everything. Like Jeb, few Democrats were excited about Kerry, but they supported him when it was time to start voting.
Posted by: CJ at September 15, 2015 10:58 AM (9KqcB)

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This is my big worry. I need to see Trump's ground organization.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 11:02 AM (LXJ1e)

293 2012: The polls are skewed, Romney will win 42 states.

2015: The polls are skewed, Jeb will win easily.

OK then.....

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 15, 2015 11:02 AM (0LHZx)

294

americanconservativeparty.com

Posted by: Country Singer at September 15, 2015 10:58 AM (8hctH)
Their most recent commentary article is from July of *last year*.
Sigh.

Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2015 11:02 AM (2XMpf)

295 Fuck the GOPe. After holding my nose and voting for their preferred candidates, and getting nothing in return, I want to see if they'll stay true to their word and support the GOP nominee, even if it's Trump. The fact that they are fighting so desperately, and ineffectively, to stop Trump is revealing. I think the GOPe will not help Trump if he is the nominee, and their pathetic tactics only show how out of touch with the base they are, furthering Trumps rise.

Posted by: Grimaldi at September 15, 2015 11:02 AM (hSHxM)

296 Yeah, but a wall is still nice. We can poster it with graffiti stating "Beyond this point

You Will Be Shot".

With a couple of Tagger's bodies left behind for emphasis.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 15, 2015 11:03 AM (W4LFA)

297 I would say withholding welfare from non-citizens would cause self-deportation. But I have come to the conclusion that all the welfare agencies are so poorly managed with next to no accountability, that it would be impossible to actually draw a distinction between a citizen and non-citizen.

The fraud, waste, and abuse is absolutely stellar in those orgs. I've seen it with my own eyes, people drawing benefits as multiple people. And easily, with zero risk.

Posted by: Chupacabras at September 15, 2015 11:03 AM (V40IZ)

298 295 Trump is the only GOP candidate that stands a chance of peeling off Sanders supporters.
Posted by: @votermom at September 15, 2015 10:59 AM (cbfNE)

I would love to agree with that, but I've been "studying" Sanders supporters.

The only way to save the Republic is to elect a Socialist.

College educated people. I know less than squat because I'm too old (6

to understand the obvious.

Posted by: jwb7605 at September 15, 2015 11:03 AM (M+9nV)

299 281 Has Beck started crying on TV for the refugees so we know he's really passionate yet? Because a grown ass man crying on TV gets me every time.
/s
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 15, 2015 10:57 AM (Wckf4)

I like how he pulled himself together just a little bit on radio
before the commercial break. You can't fake that kind of sincerity.

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack Nathan R. Jessup at September 15, 2015 11:03 AM (sJuWI)

300 Posted by: Taking America back at September 15, 2015 10:59 AM (SS4vr)

No one's buying what you're selling.

Take it back to alt-right or DU or Stormfront or whatever other shithole you crawled out of.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 15, 2015 11:03 AM (Wckf4)

301 307 So long as the GOP uses the typical liberal/progressive tactic of attacking the man and/or motivation the longer Trump will continue to do well in the polls. This approach only makes him into a more sympathetic figure. And since when is telling people they are stupid and racist a winning approach to bringing them over to your side of the argument? Dopes. But then we knew that, right?
Posted by: steve walsh at September 15, 2015 11:01 AM (gB9nl)

The one time they try to use Alinsky, and its on a man who is so well defined as a boor that their efforts only makes him look better. Genius!

Posted by: Iblis at September 15, 2015 11:03 AM (tAYH3)

302 NRO is reporting that El Jeb is launching a $24 Million ad campaign in early primary states to sell him as a "Small Government Conservative." (The WSJ says so.)

Posted by: V the K at September 15, 2015 11:04 AM (O7MnT)

303 304 289
The only way I would agree to let some Latinos stay is if their votes are automatically counted as Republicans and they can prove purity of white bloodlines.
Posted by: Taking America back at September 15, 2015 11:01 AM (SS4vr)

That sounds more like Democrat policy. You should check Bernie Sanders, he is all for pure races.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 11:04 AM (LXJ1e)

304 309 I keep thinking of Howard Dean. He was the (semi-) outsider who said what all the liberals wanted to hear (Iraq War Crime!) and was running away in the polls. And when it came time to actual secure votes in Iowa, Kerry's organization trumped everything. Like Jeb, few Democrats were excited about Kerry, but they supported him when it was time to start voting.
Posted by: CJ at September 15, 2015 10:58 AM (9KqcB)

Kerry was an anti-war combat veteran, which is why they selected him. They thought his opposition to the Iraq War would be unassailable.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 11:04 AM (CiLUq)

305 Serbia invented goatfucking.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at September 15, 2015 11:04 AM (u5gzz)

306 WTF? Is Hector arguing with Average Joe?

Posted by: rickb223 at September 15, 2015 11:04 AM (W4LFA)

307 It is not in the GOPe DNA to do any of this.

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Its not in any political parties DNA to do this (at least the first step). From an office holding standpoing, the GOP is the strongest it has been in generations. The two Senate leaders have not suffered any election losses - rather gains. Replacing them is difficult to do under that type of environment. Not that they don't deserve it, but the electorate has not yet sent an electoral message as to why they should be replaced. Replacing them may stave off that electoral message, but sometimes an electoral message needs to be sent.

To be honest, I'm not sure this election will send that message, because I expect the GOP to win in 2016 (unless it is Jeb).

Posted by: SH at September 15, 2015 11:04 AM (gmeXX)

308 325 WTF? Is Hector arguing with Average Joe?
Posted by: rickb223 at September 15, 2015 11:04 AM (W4LFA)

They both suck cock by choice. On that they are in fundamental agreement.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2015 11:05 AM (2Ojst)

309 Troll should have been nuked at comment 159. It was obvious then. But I guess we can't expect the bare minimum of thread maintenance in the morning.

Posted by: buzzion at September 15, 2015 11:06 AM (zt+N6)

310 Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2015 11:02 AM (2XMpf)

Yeah, it's a bit of a skeleton crew on the website at the moment. There is better activity on the Facebook page, FWIW.

Posted by: Country Singer at September 15, 2015 11:06 AM (8hctH)

311 First, the GOP doesn't want to do this. The establishment and donor classes want amnesty and by God they are willing to crash the party on the rocks to get it.

^^^^^

I would just like to point out how delicious the irony is when you realize we've been called extremists who are out of touch with reality and that will tank the party because we expect the GOP to actually follow through on their platform. And now we see who it is that are really the "extremists" and "purists."

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at September 15, 2015 11:06 AM (KkVB6)

312 314 300
Yes I support Trump's policies of keeping Latinos out. He will build to wall to tell these people they are not welcome. Then we have to reduce the Latino population.
Posted by: Taking America back at September 15, 2015 11:03 AM (SS4vr)

Good fences make good neighbors. This is really Mexico's fault for letting gang members across the border.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 11:06 AM (LXJ1e)

313 Actually, from what I understand, Jeb really was a small-government conservative when he was governor.... a decade ago

It is still not enough to cause me to vote for him though

Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2015 11:07 AM (2XMpf)

314 At this point all I want is a candidate whose campaign slogan is:

RETRIBUTION, M*******CKERS

As long as we're going down, I want to see the GOP suffer, too.

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2015 11:07 AM (6xtq3)

315 I would just like to point out how delicious the irony is when you realize we've been called extremists who are out of touch with reality and that will tank the party because we expect the GOP to actually follow through on their platform. And now we see who it is that are really the "extremists" and "purists."
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at September 15, 2015 11:06 AM (KkVB6)

The irony tastes rather bitter to me, but otherwise, yeah.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2015 11:07 AM (2Ojst)

316 327 325 WTF? Is Hector arguing with Average Joe?
Posted by: rickb223 at September 15, 2015 11:04 AM (W4LFA)

They both suck cock by choice. On that they are in fundamental agreement.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2015 11:05 AM (2Ojst)

Again, troll the troll.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 11:07 AM (LXJ1e)

317 Just as an observation, Trump's negatives are worse than Hillary's.

59% negative view of Trump, last poll I saw.

40% among Republicans.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 15, 2015 11:07 AM (9mTYi)

318 334 At this point all I want is a candidate whose campaign slogan is:

RETRIBUTION, M*******CKERS

As long as we're going down, I want to see the GOP suffer, too.
Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2015 11:07 AM (6xtq3)

Or as Breitbart said: Fuck. You. War.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2015 11:07 AM (2Ojst)

319 329 Troll should have been nuked at comment 159. It was obvious then. But I guess we can't expect the bare minimum of thread maintenance in the morning.
Posted by: buzzion at September 15, 2015 11:06 AM (zt+N6)

Its before noon. What kind of fiend expects management to be up before the cocktail hour?

Posted by: Iblis at September 15, 2015 11:07 AM (tAYH3)

320 Posted by: CJ at September 15, 2015 10:58 AM (9KqcB)

Howard Dean melted down during a major public appearance.

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at September 15, 2015 11:08 AM (sJuWI)

321
Yeah, it's a bit of a skeleton crew on the website at the moment. There is better activity on the Facebook page, FWIW.

There's a Moron FB page?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 15, 2015 11:08 AM (LUgeY)

322 I do think a third party with the proper mix of libertarianism, patriotism, conservatism and populism would go very well.

It could have been the GOP but oh well, guess not.

Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2015 11:08 AM (2XMpf)

323 #TwoWeeks.

Posted by: Boss Moss at September 15, 2015 11:08 AM (J3zDg)

324 Glen Beck's idea of smuggling in Christians, how is he going to do that....fly them in the wheel wells of planes?
Shipping containers on a cargo ship?

I will accidentally leave the Patriot channel on my vehicle and when I start it up in the morning, Beck is on. I normally listen to five minutes of him to reconfirm that his brain is still misfiring and scrambled.

Posted by: Jen the original at September 15, 2015 11:09 AM (a7+ws)

325 >>End ALL welfare

Here's where my vote would go.

Posted by: Garrett at September 15, 2015 11:09 AM (4z/cg)

326 Why not put the fear of God into ALL businesses?
Posted by: Vic-we have no party at September 15, 2015 11:00 AM (t2KH5)

Grassroots.
If you get the vast majority of small businesses (the local Taco trucks, the local cleaners, the independent roofers, etc.) that have one or two illegals -- and the majority of them do -- you would see an unpublished but very effective "the guy is racist!" campaign.

And as an end result, all politics is local.

Posted by: jwb7605 at September 15, 2015 11:09 AM (M+9nV)

327 At this point all I want is a candidate whose campaign slogan is:

RETRIBUTION, M*******CKERS

As long as we're going down, I want to see the GOP suffer, too.

Time to fire up Cafe Press' bumper sticker machine!

Posted by: rickb223 at September 15, 2015 11:09 AM (W4LFA)

328 Yeah, it's a bit of a skeleton crew on the website at the moment. There is better activity on the Facebook page, FWIW.

----
There's a Moron FB page?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 15, 2015 11:08 AM (LUgeY)

I think there's actually two Moron FB pages, but I was talking about the American Conservative Party FB page.

Posted by: Country Singer at September 15, 2015 11:10 AM (8hctH)

329 A hall monitor has been paged.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 15, 2015 11:10 AM (JtwS4)

330 Its before noon. What kind of fiend expects management to be up before the cocktail hour?

Posted by: Iblis at September 15, 2015 11:07 AM (tAYH3)

They have no problem making posts in the morning. Rdbrewer is putting links in the sidebar. Take 2 minutes Control+F for "Troll." Go "yep that's definitely a troll," nuke it and move on.

Posted by: buzzion at September 15, 2015 11:11 AM (zt+N6)

331 Trump will make America great by making us white Anglo Saxon again!

Posted by: Taking America back at September 15, 2015 10:32 AM (SS4vr)

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the most appropriate hash of all-fuckin'-time...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at September 15, 2015 11:11 AM (wtvvX)

332 Posted by: jwb7605 at September 15, 2015 11:03 AM (M+9nV)

Well, not the diehard socialists. But Sanders has weak supporters who see him as their only alternative to Hillary, since they've always voted Dem coz Republicans are eviiiil.
Trump can seem like a 3rd party candidate to them even if he runs as GOP. If Trump manages to grab the GOP nom from Jeb! I think he will get a lt of Trump Dems.

Posted by: @votermom at September 15, 2015 11:11 AM (cbfNE)

333 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ME4aCLb5nw

Byyaaaaah!

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at September 15, 2015 11:11 AM (sJuWI)

334 Yes, Trump is a white racist, which is why he has yuge black support.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at September 15, 2015 11:11 AM (hsCpX)

335 A nuke would blow their cardboard housing halfway to Cleveland.

Posted by: Boss Moss at September 15, 2015 11:11 AM (J3zDg)

336 Glen Beck's idea of smuggling in Christians, how is he going to do that....fly them in the wheel wells of planes?
Shipping containers on a cargo ship?

He's going to walk them across a bridge from Mexico.

Seriously, that is what he says.

And he also is not saying that he is going to smuggle them in. First, he is petitioning the government to allow it. And if they won't, he's just going to walk across a bridge from Mexico.

Posted by: blaster at September 15, 2015 11:11 AM (2Ocf1)

337 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at September 15, 2015 11:12 AM (KOX5H)

338
I posted this comment on the last thread for a reason...

111 46 "AoS Amazon shopping nails it."

For some reason, I had to go to ebay to see what the price of Cascades with phosphates was nowdays...

$68.88 per box (85 oz).

Luckily, I still have a few cases and my source in Mexico for more.

--------------------------------

We have the House and Senate, but I can't get my dishes clean without having one of my distributors in Mexico send me boxes of Cascade.

Even though we know it doesn't hurt the environment, phosphates are discouraged just to be politically correct. You can eat DDT by the spoonful, but millions still die of malaria because it's not politically correct to use it.

Along comes Trump, a non-politically correct candidate, and some wonder if he's what the country needs.

Fuck, we've got to try something.

Posted by: jwest at September 15, 2015 11:12 AM (Zs4uk)

339 And if they lose, so what? They still have jobs, the donor money will still roll in and the Democrats will deliver a lot of what they want for them.

This is my answer to anyone who says, "so you destroy the GOP. What then?"

Well, what part of I. Don't. Give. A. Fuck. is unclear? Because I am at the point where I don't expect to see Constitutional governance back in my lifetime. So if I cannot have justice, I want revenge. I want Boehner, McConnell, McCain - all of those pandering nickelfuckers - thrown out on the street. I want them stripped of their offices, their salaries and their power.

Every GOPe politician is a pig at the public trough. Every apologist for the GOPe is either hoping for a place at the trough or is invested in keeping the pigs at the trough. No more.

As Al Capone said in The Untouchables, I want them [politically] dead. I want their house burned to the ground. I want to piss on their graves.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 15, 2015 11:12 AM (zF6Iw)

340 333 Actually, from what I understand, Jeb really was a small-government conservative when he was governor.... a decade ago

Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2015 11:07 AM (2XMpf)

_____

No he wasn't. His big achievement was increased spending on education. Where do you think his support for common core comes from? His own Florida version of it.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 15, 2015 11:12 AM (0LHZx)

341 Given Iranian engineering, Mexico could get nuked.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at September 15, 2015 11:12 AM (hsCpX)

342 Kerry was an anti-war combat veteran, which is why they selected him. They thought his opposition to the Iraq War would be unassailable.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 11:04 AM (CiLUq)

--

Pretty sure he voted to support the invasion. I could be wrong...

Posted by: CJ at September 15, 2015 11:13 AM (9KqcB)

343 I'll take "things that ain't gonna happen" for a thousand, Ace.
Great column.

Posted by: navybrat at September 15, 2015 11:13 AM (ETxiG)

344 Trump says US leadership is stupid. He is correct. Also the GOPe is equally stupid. They need to go the way of the Do Do.

Posted by: maddogg at September 15, 2015 11:13 AM (xWW96)

345 Glen Beck's idea of smuggling in Christians, how is he going to do that....fly them in the wheel wells of planes?

Shipping containers on a cargo ship?

Posted by: Jen the original at September 15, 2015 11:09 AM (a7+ws)

Bringing them over the southern border seems to be working for everyone else. Of course, seeing as how he's talking about smuggling (theoretically) non-terrorist Christians who (again, theoretically) would not be going on the dole, this could be just what we need for the DERP (DEmocratic-Republican Party) to actually do something about border security.

Posted by: Country Singer at September 15, 2015 11:13 AM (8hctH)

346 I would just like to point out how delicious the irony is when you realize we've been called extremists who are out of touch with reality and that will tank the party because we expect the GOP to actually follow through on their platform. And now we see who it is that are really the "extremists" and "purists."
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at September 15, 2015 11:06 AM (KkVB6)

Electability was always a fake argument. Daring to trot out Jeb Bush proved that conclusively.

The truth is the core of the GOP, the real GOP that matters, is socially liberal and self-styled as globalist. The GOP is catered to that class of person, making sure their taxes are low and they can get subsidy from American taxpayers. And importantly, they want to import slaves to work in the service industry in America, which can't be outsourced like manufacturing can.

But those people also want things like gay marriage, abortion, etc. so the GOP gives lip service to opposing those things but then, under the guise of electability concerns, never pursues them.

It was always a con job, but before Big Business would nominally support social conservatives. Now they are social justice fanatics.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 11:13 AM (CiLUq)

347 Ah "I'm going to vote libertarian"
The ultimate shirking of responsibility.

honestly we need a plan to work within the 2 party system (let's face it we're not ever going to have more than 2 real parties.)

Otherwise we can all say "I did my protest vote" or "I helped destroy the GOP" with NO PLAN AFTER THIS.

It might feel good, but it does about as much to change the problem as voting GOP in the first place.

I'm still stuck on how to change the party. I think it's a long game, we have to get involved at the state level and work our way up to positions of at least some power.
But that still doesn't drown out that sweet sweet chamber of commerce money. That's the tricker problem I can't solve.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at September 15, 2015 11:13 AM (tM4uk)

348 my god, just read #159, et al. Quick question: Why isn't there a big hole where taking america back was standing?

Posted by: jwpaine, otherized for your protection at September 15, 2015 11:13 AM (wKcQA)

349 345 Glen Beck's idea of smuggling in Christians, how is he going to do that....fly them in the wheel wells of planes?
Shipping containers on a cargo ship?

I will accidentally leave the Patriot channel on my vehicle and when I start it up in the morning, Beck is on. I normally listen to five minutes of him to reconfirm that his brain is still misfiring and scrambled.
Posted by: Jen the original at September 15, 2015 11:09 AM (a7+ws)

You can bet, however the goverment will come down them like ton of bricks.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 11:14 AM (LXJ1e)

350 And he also is not saying that he is going to smuggle them in. First, he is petitioning the government to allow it. And if they won't, he's just going to walk across a bridge from Mexico.

Where he'll probably get stopped by some gubmint agents.

Him they'll stop. The coyotes, not so much.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 15, 2015 11:14 AM (LUgeY)

351 Prominent Mexican officials are calling on their president to open the doors for 10,000 Syrian refugees

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 15, 2015 11:14 AM (W5DcG)

352 Just as an observation, Trump's negatives are worse than Hillary's.

59% negative view of Trump, last poll I saw.

40% among Republicans.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 15, 2015 11:07 AM (9mTYi)

Are his negatives increasing?
Because anecdotally what I see is a lot of people moving from "he's a clown" to "maybe he wouldn't be so bad."

Posted by: @votermom at September 15, 2015 11:15 AM (cbfNE)

353 Prominent Mexican officials are calling on their president to open the doors for 10,000 Syrian refugees

How many are they taking?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at September 15, 2015 11:16 AM (hsCpX)

354 Libertarian? Full-on open borders Libertarian? Wow.

Posted by: Chris Vaughn at September 15, 2015 11:16 AM (Bcqod)

355 373 Prominent Mexican officials are calling on their president to open the doors for 10,000 Syrian refugees
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 15, 2015 11:14 AM (W5DcG)

___________

Jeb Bush is a prominent Mexican official, is that who you are talking about?

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 15, 2015 11:16 AM (0LHZx)

356 341 322
White ~~nationalists~~ meat sanwiches are taking over the ~~GOP~~fast-food industry with ~~Trump~~Chick-fil-A. ~~Cuckservatives~~cluckservatives are finished.
Posted by: ~~Taking America back~~ The Chicken, begging for mercy at September 15, 2015 11:08 AM (SS4vr)

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at September 15, 2015 11:16 AM (sJuWI)

357 Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 15, 2015 11:07 AM (9mTYi)

The last one I saw (linked here at the HQ) had his favorable/unfavorable at 60/35 or something like that.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 15, 2015 11:16 AM (kff5f)

358 Posted too soon. Meant to add:

I don't see anyone going from "I like Trump" to "I'm never voting for that clown."

Posted by: @votermom at September 15, 2015 11:17 AM (cbfNE)

359 Trump is the Great White Hope, but destroying conservatives !!!!!

egad!

Posted by: Taking Uranus Back at September 15, 2015 11:17 AM (8CdUx)

360 Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at September 15, 2015 11:16 AM (sJuWI)

D*mn you. Now I want a Chicken Sandwich of Hate with some Waffle Fries of Intolerance and a Hate Shake.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 15, 2015 11:17 AM (kff5f)

361 I'm still stuck on how to change the party. I think it's a long game, we have to get involved at the state level and work our way up to positions of at least some power.

You can't fix the GOP. It must be split, so the big business wing can go off and lose and the rest of us can fight.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 11:17 AM (CiLUq)

362 Open the door, let 'em in.

Posted by: Rep. Jared Polaris at September 15, 2015 11:18 AM (Dwehj)

363 384 Open the backdoor, let 'em in.
Posted by: Rep. Jared Polaris at September 15, 2015 11:18 AM (Dwehj)

FTFY

Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2015 11:19 AM (2Ojst)

364 Well, not the diehard socialists. But Sanders has weak supporters who see him as their only alternative to Hillary, since they've always voted Dem coz Republicans are eviiiil.
Trump can seem like a 3rd party candidate to them even if he runs as GOP. If Trump manages to grab the GOP nom from Jeb! I think he will get a lt of Trump Dems.
Posted by: @votermom at September 15, 2015 11:11 AM (cbfNE)

My observations are totally empirical.
Two daughters, three neighbors, and a couple of city council people fit that description.
All college educated.
My USMC son and myself (Vietnam vet) are, of course, woefully uninformed. The history I personally lived through and the histories I was taught by my WWII era father, Civil War era great grandfather, etc. are apparently incorrect, and failed to give me "the big picture".

Posted by: jwb7605 at September 15, 2015 11:20 AM (M+9nV)

365 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 15, 2015 11:17 AM (kff5f)

Didn't know they had shakes. Any good? I'll give one a shot. I usually sub the cole slaw for fries.

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at September 15, 2015 11:20 AM (sJuWI)

366

Someone's knockin' at the door
Somebody's ringin' the bell
Someone's knockin' at the door
Somebody's ringin' the bell
Do me a favor, open the door and let 'em in

Posted by: Jeb! McCartney at September 15, 2015 11:20 AM (W5DcG)

367 From the sidebar:
MRC: University of California Seeks to Create 'Right' to Be 'Free From Acts and Expressions of Intolerance'

Are we sure this isn't from the Onion? Because that sounds like something from the Onion.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 15, 2015 11:20 AM (kff5f)

368 I can see Teh Donald, when speaking of the GOP's efforts to marginalize him, saying, "Why aren't you doing that to the Dims?"

I truly hope he says that.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 15, 2015 11:21 AM (LUgeY)

369 389 Is that about Lactose?

Posted by: Boss Moss at September 15, 2015 11:21 AM (J3zDg)

370 Didn't know they had shakes. Any good? I'll give one a shot.

Not bad. Not as good as Whataburger or Braums, but decent.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 15, 2015 11:22 AM (kff5f)

371 No he wasn't. His big achievement was increased spending on education. Where do you think his support for common core comes from? His own Florida version of it.
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 15, 2015 11:12 AM (0LHZx)

--

I'll never support Jeb, but if you're going to pass on every GOP governor who increases education spending, you won't have a GOP governor to vote for. Even many GOP voters demand such spending. Our education stance is a mess.

Posted by: CJ at September 15, 2015 11:22 AM (9KqcB)

372
Your choices are:
socialist delusionist- Bernie Sanders, Fauxcahontas
fascist corporatist (Hillary/Biden et al)
Corporatistglobalist (Jeb and pretty much every other republican but Cruz - but lets face it he can't get past the mediaet al)
None of the above, and who the hell knows what he'll do (Trump)
Yes it sucks to bethe US right now.

Posted by: simplemind at September 15, 2015 11:22 AM (5vV+V)

373 Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the most appropriate hash of all-fuckin'-time...
Posted by: Tex Lovera
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Tex - Puuuleese stop copying and pasting the Troll name and hash. It makes removal much more difficult.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 15, 2015 11:22 AM (9mTYi)

374 Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 15, 2015 11:21 AM (LUgeY)

Yep.

"I've had more vitriol spewed at me by the Republican Party than [That F*ckin' Guy] has in 8 years! Why, you'd think that they supported his policies more than the ones I'm suggesting!"

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 15, 2015 11:23 AM (kff5f)

375 389

The First Ammendment was actually a typo. It was supposed to say "Freedom from speech."

Or something.

Posted by: joe at September 15, 2015 11:24 AM (34w2E)

376 Oh the Chick-Fil-A hate shakes are very very good

Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2015 11:24 AM (2XMpf)

377 Tex - Puuuleese stop copying and pasting the Troll name and hash. It makes removal much more difficult.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 15, 2015 11:22 AM (9mTYi)

I volunteer to code a comment removal/bleeper tool for ace/pixy so we can properly mock trolls.

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at September 15, 2015 11:24 AM (sJuWI)

378 Posted by: jwb7605 at September 15, 2015 11:20 AM (M+9nV)

My kid just started college. I've told her many times I worry that she'll get brainwashed.
Although fingers crossed it won't happen since most of her courses are math & science and the only humanities she has is a foreign language.

Posted by: @votermom at September 15, 2015 11:24 AM (cbfNE)

379 Because anecdotally what I see is a lot of people moving from "he's a clown" to "maybe he wouldn't be so bad."

When they get to "what's the worst that can happen", it's Katie, bar the door!

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 15, 2015 11:24 AM (9krrF)

380 Didn't know they had shakes. Any good? I'll give one a shot. I usually sub the cole slaw for fries.

Outside of Marble Slab Creamery the are the best.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 15, 2015 11:24 AM (W4LFA)

381 What I'm seeing on Twitter and "conservative" punditry is the equivalent of your girl leaving you for another man and you saying "he won't love you like I do. He's a bad man. He'll just hurt you and I only hit you those few times. Please baby please. PLEEEEEEASE!!"

Stop, it's unbecoming of persons as elevated as yourself, self appointed betters indeed.

Posted by: traye at September 15, 2015 11:25 AM (JJby+)

382 Didn't know they had shakes. Any good? I'll give one a shot. I usually sub the cole slaw for fries.
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack
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The peach hateshake isn't as good as I was hoping, but it was worth ordering "a peach hateshake" just to see the look on the girls face.

Posted by: Chi at September 15, 2015 11:25 AM (df5yj)

383 I'll never support Jeb, but if you're going to pass on every GOP governor who increases education spending, you won't have a GOP governor to vote for.

Damn, that cuts out a lot of real dynamos.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 11:25 AM (CiLUq)

384 But that still doesn't drown out that sweet sweet chamber of commerce money. That's the tricker problem I can't solve.

That one's actually easier, if you don't mind a little bit of work.

A) find a local business (or three), in your area with services you're interested in.
B) Find out if they contribute to, or are supported by the *local* chamber of commerce.
C) Find a competitor of that business that ISN'T tied to the chamber.
D) Go to the Chamber tied business and tell them, in person, and no uncertain terms that you will refuse to do business with them, and that you will convince all your friends and family to do the same (by whatever means necessary) unless and until they stop doing business with the chamber.
E) Go to the OTHER business and tell them, in person, that you are specifically giving them your business because they are NOT tied to the chamber of commerce.
F) Repeat on other businesses.

You actually have to convince your friends and family not to use the chamber businesses. By any means you can. Cut off their funding.

Posted by: GMan at September 15, 2015 11:26 AM (sxq57)

385 There are post ids
http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=358995
and comment ids

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?blog=86&post=358995#c24185366

and hashes
Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at September 15, 2015 11:24 AM (sJuWI)

Cobs shouldn't be hunting and pecking at these things.

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at September 15, 2015 11:26 AM (sJuWI)

386 Didn't know they had shakes. Any good? I'll give one a shot.

Not bad. Not as good as Whataburger or Braums, but decent.

You need your tasters recalibrated.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 15, 2015 11:26 AM (W4LFA)

387 Education is a sacred cow to all the Republicrats.

Posted by: Boss Moss at September 15, 2015 11:26 AM (J3zDg)

388 I'll never support Jeb, but if you're going to pass on every GOP governor who increases education spending, you won't have a GOP governor to vote for. Even many GOP voters demand such spending. Our education stance is a mess.

How about we stop fetishizing GOP governors? Hint, there's a reason Alabama is about to start looking at incorporating a recall provision...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 15, 2015 11:27 AM (9krrF)

389 Oh the Chick-Fil-A hate shakes are very very good

I've never had one. Her Divine Malevolence, Our Queen of Alextopia, Holder of the Sacred Valu-Rite Handle likes them.

That's good enough for me.

Oh, and unless that empty storefront is really abandoned, there's a Five Guys opening close to Casa Backwardio soon.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 15, 2015 11:27 AM (LUgeY)

390 >>The peach hateshake isn't as good as I was hoping, but it was worth ordering "a peach hateshake" just to see the look on the girls face.

Aw, the people at Chik-fil-A are so nice - she knew you were kidding, right?

Posted by: Lizzy at September 15, 2015 11:27 AM (NOIQH)

391 Chick-fil-A's cookies and cream milkshake is almost a sexual experience.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2015 11:28 AM (2Ojst)

392 Um, Trump is winning 25% of the black vote.

If that holds, you're looking at LANDSLIDE numbers.

Posted by: prescient11 at September 15, 2015 11:28 AM (q5APL)

393 You actually have to convince your friends and family not to use the chamber businesses. By any means you can. Cut off their funding.

I'm not sure you can find people who aren't affiliated with the Chamber of Commerce. That's like finding companies that make things in America.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 11:28 AM (CiLUq)

394 Waffle fries and a peach shake.
Yum.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 15, 2015 11:29 AM (NOIQH)

395 You need your tasters recalibrated.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 15, 2015 11:26 AM (W4LFA)

Me? You're the one who likes Marble Slab shakes.
I mean, they're better than McDonalds, but... LOW BAR.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 15, 2015 11:29 AM (kff5f)

396 But states, in conjunction with the local school districts, are SUPPOSED to be in charge of education.

I don't see "small government" as "doing very little in everything". I see the phrase meaning "doing what government is supposed to be doing but staying out of everything else". When it comes to things like education, and roads and bridges, and stuff like that, the state government SHOULD be spending a fair amount (not excessively, but a proper amount) in those areas. But midnight basketball? Subsidies for sugar growers? Of course not. That is the difference I see anyway.

Posted by: chemjeff at September 15, 2015 11:29 AM (2XMpf)

397 Jeebus race-baiting Cripes do we need the banhammer in here.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2015 11:29 AM (2Ojst)

398 I'm not sure you can find people who aren't affiliated with the Chamber of Commerce.

I've found a few, they're not *common* but they exist.

Posted by: GMan at September 15, 2015 11:30 AM (sxq57)

399 Um, Trump is winning 25% of the black vote.

No votes yet, so that and a couple of bucks will get you a crappy cup of coffee.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 15, 2015 11:30 AM (9krrF)

400 The ADL Trolls are still here.

Posted by: Boss Moss at September 15, 2015 11:30 AM (J3zDg)

401 My kid just started college. I've told her many times I worry that she'll get brainwashed.
Although fingers crossed it won't happen since most of her courses are math & science and the only humanities she has is a foreign language.
Posted by: @votermom at September 15, 2015 11:24 AM (cbfNE)

I hate to break this to you, but one of the two daughters I referred to is a high school math teacher with a Master's degree.
We don't communicate much during election season.

What I found amusing is that she was part of the union protesters when the Scott Walker thing was happening, but is unfamiliar with presidential candidate Scott Walker.

I did not fill her in.

Posted by: jwb7605 at September 15, 2015 11:30 AM (M+9nV)

402 (SS4vr)

Somebody nuke the Moby.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 15, 2015 11:30 AM (kff5f)

403 Aw, the people at Chik-fil-A are so nice - she knew you were kidding, right?
Posted by: Lizzy
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I was smiling when I ordered, thinking of AtC trying to see over the counter when she orders.
Girl just looked confused, but I swear I saw the manager grinning behind ger - I bet he's in on the joke.

Posted by: Chi at September 15, 2015 11:30 AM (df5yj)

404
if you're going to pass on every GOP governor who increases education spending, you won't have a GOP governor to vote for.
Posted by: CJ

Well, if one must sacrifice the prospect of being able to vote for Gov. Kasich, then -- however reluctantly -- that is a sacrifice that one may have to make.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 15, 2015 11:30 AM (kdS6q)

405 420 Jeebus race-baiting Cripes do we need the banhammer in here.

I think they need to deputize a few more people.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 11:31 AM (CiLUq)

406 "1. Get rid of Boehner and McConnell. Now."

Exactly. And they could at least make SOME noise to the effect that they'll do what they were elected to do. But, yeah, they won't.

"2. Co-opt Trump on immigration:"

I don't see how they could do that, even if they wanted to (which, as you say, they don't). As it is, one of the Republicans put out some stupid idea, trying to out-do Trump on this, about building a wall vs. Canada too. When Trump says "our leaders are idiots" I don't generally take him literally, but in that case it applies.

You say 'no matter how ridiculous Trump's "deport 'em all" plan is, even if he only delivers on half of it, it's more than any mainstream Republican is offering.' so you "GET IT". His basic principle is (1) build a wall - and he has a track record of building things and (2) deport everybody - on principle - and let some back ON OUR TERMS. What else COULD his opponents promise, and how could they be believable if they DID?

The pundit class (even on the right) loves to poke fun that it "can't be done", and thereby betray themselves as being in the same groupthink as the Leftist assholes. These are the same bastards who said you couldn't shoot down a missile, because they didn't want to US to even try to defend itself.

You can do a LOT of things to drive foreigners out without going around kicking in doors. Just start requiring people on the dole to prove their citizenship, require employers to get proof of legal status from employees, etc. Sealing the border alone could help a lot, because part of the problem is that after you deport people, they just come back.

Ann Coulter had a colorful way of describing all this, and has warmed up to Trump over it. People have been hearing about the problem for DECADES. They know it's ridiculous for a country as wealthy and technologically advanced as ours to have an alien invasion going on, and it has become obvious that politicians won't solve it.

Posted by: Optimizer at September 15, 2015 11:31 AM (/q6+P)

407 I've had a nightmare lately. Now that Obama has brought peace to the world, he says he will use his pen and phone to defeat global warming. The Chamber of Commerce string-pullers won't like that. They order Boner and the Turtle to fight. They stop Obama. The electorate mistakenly thinks Boner and the Turtle have seen the light.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 15, 2015 11:31 AM (fFIVI)

408 Seriously someone go on twitter and spam every single coblogger to actually do something.

Posted by: buzzion at September 15, 2015 11:32 AM (zt+N6)

409 36 A whole generation of fucking your voters from "read my lips,"

Bush didn't lie. He said 'know new taxes'.

Posted by: Cicero Boom chicka boom Kaboom! Kid at September 15, 2015 11:33 AM (DfCQN)

410 I'm not sure you can find people who aren't affiliated with the Chamber of Commerce. That's like finding companies that make things in America.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 15, 2015 11:28 AM (CiLUq)

Also, I am not certain that local CoC's and the national CoC are related:

https://www.uschamber.com/about-us/about-us-chamber/frequently-asked-questions#12

I'm a member of my local chamber of commerce. Does that make me a member of the U.S. Chamber?

Not unless your local chamber has partnered with the U.S. Chamber through the Federation Partnership Program. Because the U.S. Chamber is not a parent organization of other chambers, not all state, metro, or local chambers are members of the U.S. Chamber. Chambers of commerce are independently started and operated, and anyone can start a chamber at any time, any place.

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at September 15, 2015 11:33 AM (sJuWI)

411 Do all local Chambers of Commerce contribute to/support the national org? I have no idea how it works.

Posted by: irright at September 15, 2015 11:33 AM (zxnPQ)

412 Education spending needs to be cut and the curriculum should be reviewed for leftard propaganda.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 15, 2015 11:33 AM (LUgeY)

413 For all those saying Trump is really a stealth Democrat; well he is better than Hillary and Bernie. And BONUS, he is a better candidate than the Dem-Rino candidates the GOP made us vote for in the past. Or for that matter in the current line-up. Jeb, Chris, John, etc.

Back during the 2008 primary season we went to a Conservative state interest group dinner/fundraiser who had invited Fred the Beetle Barnes to speak. Fred asked us who we supported and when he brought up McCain's name we booed. His response was whether we wanted him or not, Johnny boy was who we were going to get. Fred was a snot about it. Ah the beltway boys. Awesome folks. Haters of flyover country.

For every backstabber, I am looking at you Haley Barbour, for every nasty name caller, I am looking at you Traffic Cone John, and every liar, Yertle, that's me gazing at you; I get "a thrill up my leg" over the GOP wetting their pants over Trump. I haven't given him a dime , and have yet to determine what the man truly is, but I know the E types fear him and so far that's good enough.

It's too late to remove the Cone and Yertle. The ship has sailed, the shark jumped, and all bridges have been burned. I refuse to smoke any peace pipe they could offer. Why should I trust them? Remember Mississippi? Yeah, well I do and it's personal and on like Donkey Kong!!!!

Posted by: freeus at September 15, 2015 11:34 AM (caDgg)

414 So a better angle may be to start a local CoC that remains independent of the national organization and focuses on local issues.

Posted by: First-Rate Political Hack at September 15, 2015 11:34 AM (sJuWI)

415 Why does no one back the other...wait. don't. answer.
Instead of bashing Trump, they should be bashing the failedfuckingpolicies of The Pied Piper.
What has he really done? ZERO.ZIP.NADA except usurp the law, fudge the numbers, and give Iran Nukes...oh. wait. And let millions more Muslims into the country, allowed HRC, LL, EH, RE to get away with breaking the laws and claiming he gives a shit. Let.it.burn.

Posted by: DefendUSA at September 15, 2015 11:34 AM (nAHMK)

416 1. Get rid of Boehner and McConnell. Now.
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You do realize this has already been done, right? - they were replace by Pelosi and Reid. You just didn't notice any difference.

Posted by: Roy at September 15, 2015 11:34 AM (VndSC)

417 Why kneecap the guy who will get 400 electoral votes in the general election??

Posted by: Bclogforce one at September 15, 2015 11:34 AM (iQtA5)

418
Jeebus race-baiting Cripes do we need the banhammer in here.
Posted by: Insomniac

You would think top posters would put up a thread, then at least glace at the responses to see what's going on.

But apparently the "message in a bottle" approach rules.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 15, 2015 11:34 AM (kdS6q)

419 @414 "Um, Trump is winning 25% of the black vote. ... If that holds, you're looking at LANDSLIDE numbers."

Here's another thought-provoker for you: WOULD - COULD - TRUMP CARRY ... NEW YORK?!?!?

Posted by: Optimizer at September 15, 2015 11:35 AM (/q6+P)

420 Everything needs to be cut and reviewed for propaganda.

Posted by: OldDominionMom at September 15, 2015 11:35 AM (GzDYP)

421 Chick-fil-A's cookies and cream milkshake is almost a sexual experience.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2015 11:28 AM (2Ojst)

Umm, you're doing it wrong.

Posted by: blaster at September 15, 2015 11:35 AM (2Ocf1)

422
Until a "more perfect" party is formed and supported, we will be given a choice of the "lesser evil". Choose carefully.

Posted by: GBruno at September 15, 2015 11:35 AM (u49WF)

423 I think it's interesting how anyone posting anything more than one standard deviation from the mean of what is considered here "true blue conservatism" will frequently earn this reply:

"Your concern is duly noted".

Sometimes with cutesy boxes, where the "noted" is check and the "not noted" unchecked. Adorbs.

But then the original poster Drew wrote:

"...I'm not a Republican and I can't vote for Trump or anyone in a primary and I'll likely vote Libertarian in the general."

And then he goes on to tell us (Republicans) who we should nominate.

Well. As an actual Republican, who has held is nose and voted for McCain and Romney (hell, I even contributed money to them), to try to avoid the shitstorm of progressivism that we now find ourselves buried in; voting for the lesser of two evils every goddamned year since 1984, because better candidates were shunted aside by the same sort of attitude that's about to give us Donald Trump as a nominee...I'd just like to say, Drew, non-Republican:

Your concern? Yep, duly noted.

Posted by: Pastafarian at September 15, 2015 11:35 AM (LqrRo)

424 First-Rate answered my question before I asked it. How very psychic of you.

Posted by: irright at September 15, 2015 11:36 AM (zxnPQ)

425 I guess Ace and his Cobs are sleeping or don't care what their base thinks, just like the GOP. A lot of the comments make me feel like I'm in a really nasty K-Mart.

Posted by: JakeHolenHead at September 15, 2015 11:36 AM (/eyT/)

426 I think those are all good strategies, but if you care about border security, how can you vote Libertarian when they make no bones they want a completely open border where anyone can come and go as they please.

Posted by: Coolio at September 15, 2015 11:36 AM (H848V)

427 445 Chick-fil-A's cookies and cream milkshake is almost a sexual experience.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2015 11:28 AM (2Ojst)

Umm, you're doing it wrong.
Posted by: blaster at September 15, 2015 11:35 AM (2Ocf1)

I said almost.

And nood art.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2015 11:36 AM (2Ojst)

428 Posted by: Optimizer at September 15, 2015 11:35 AM (/q6+P)

If Trump even makes NY competitive, the game changes. That's A LOT of "safe votes" the Democrat would suddenly have to fight for, and something tells me that advertising time in NY is fairly expensive.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 15, 2015 11:36 AM (kff5f)

429 Me? You're the one who likes Marble Slab shakes.
I mean, they're better than McDonalds, but... LOW BAR.

Ouch.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 15, 2015 11:36 AM (W4LFA)

430 The First Ammendment was actually a typo. It was supposed to say "Freedom from speech."

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The un-enumerated right that trumps all others is the right to diversity..

Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 15, 2015 11:36 AM (fFIVI)

431 Why kneecap the guy who will get 400 electoral votes in the general election??

Because they can't control him.

Simple. As. That.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 15, 2015 11:37 AM (9krrF)

432
Apparently the banhammer is leaning on the wall in the corner, unattended.

Posted by: GBruno at September 15, 2015 11:38 AM (u49WF)

433 What is Drew's twitter handle?

Posted by: @votermom at September 15, 2015 11:39 AM (cbfNE)

434 Seems odd that my kids have to have ORIGINAL documents (SS card, birth certif, diplomas) to interview anywhere, but somehow that requirement is only for people like us (35 years at one address). I even had to find my original SS card to get my last job.

What the heck is going on?

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 15, 2015 11:40 AM (MIKMs)

435 Here's ANOTHER thought-provoker for you (this one's better):

They emphasize the importance of winning IA and NH, but these SAME pundits - who are apparently idiots - do not realize that the REASON those early primaries are important is because the campaign MONEY dries up if you don't show early wins.

Since Trump is self-funding (and mostly using his celebrity and showmanship to get all his airtime for free anyway!) he DOESN'T NEED to do well in the early primaries.

Posted by: Optimizer at September 15, 2015 11:40 AM (/q6+P)

436 Posted by: Pastafarian at September 15, 2015 11:35 AM (LqrRo)

Your GOPe sanctimony and self-righteousness is duly noted.

Posted by: Country Singer at September 15, 2015 11:41 AM (8hctH)

437 IMO the GOP could take a lot of the wind out of Trump's sails, if they would change the conversation to one of 'Rule of Law'.

Obama and others have decided they only have to enforce Laws they like... Judges constantly make stupid rulings which don't follow Law... and we are verging on anarchy in some areas...

The Ruling class no longer even includes itself in the laws they pass (insider trading is once more legal for Congress)....

USE that... its a YUGEEEEE issue that Trump has hit upon, and IS underlying issue on Illegal Immigration...

Yet the GOP will not use that issue... because THEY want to be the ones who get to decide which laws to ignore...

Posted by: BB Wolf at September 15, 2015 11:41 AM (qh617)

438 Here's another thought-provoker for you: WOULD - COULD - TRUMP CARRY ... NEW YORK?!?!?

Posted by: Optimizer

Personally, I see Trump scaring the hell out of Dems in all the rust belt states

Posted by: wrg500 at September 15, 2015 11:42 AM (sgrzZ)

439 What the heck is going on?

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 15, 2015 11:40 AM (MIKMs)

Selective enforcement of the Law.

Posted by: BB Wolf at September 15, 2015 11:42 AM (qh617)

440 Why kneecap the guy who will get 400 electoral votes in the general election??
Posted by: Bclogforce one at September 15, 2015 11:34 AM (iQtA5)
_____________________

The GOPe, like the media, simply does not comprehend the RAGE that American voters, of all colors, are feeling about what is going on in our country and at our borders.

Posted by: Rational American Voter at September 15, 2015 11:43 AM (a31sM)

441 Trump is Zell Miller. Who wouldn't vote for Zell Miller.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 11:43 AM (LXJ1e)

442 Why does no one back the other...wait. don't. answer. Instead of bashing Trump, they should be bashing the failedfuckingpolicies of The Pied Piper.

For what it's worth, my opinion?

They're still pissing their diapers that the MFM will call them racists.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 15, 2015 11:45 AM (zF6Iw)

443 157Posted by: FJ Min at September 15, 2015 10:22 AM (BHcX6)

GFY and DIAF. But first...Posted by: Insomniac at September 15, 2015 10:32 AM (2Ojst)See? You're being icky.

Posted by: FJ Min at September 15, 2015 11:45 AM (BHcX6)

444 186 >>150 posts and not a single mention of Cruz - what's up with that?
He is now my top pick, but why not more love for him around here?

Cruz fan here - I'm just waiting for him to step it up. Think he's been playing the long game w/Trump.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 15, 2015 10:38 AM (NOIQH)

To use NASCAR terminology, he's drafting Trump.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer, Ret FCCS(SW/AW) at September 15, 2015 11:45 AM (2d3Bh)

445 @447 "...And then he goes on to tell us (Republicans) who we should nominate."

I had the same thought about Perry, when he quit. With his record, he should have been one of the strongest candidates, but he completely blew it. Why should we listen to somebody who completely blew it, TWICE, as to who should be chosen instead?

Posted by: Optimizer at September 15, 2015 11:46 AM (/q6+P)

446 "anyone who supports him is an idiot and maybe even a racist." New rules: If a progressive calls you a racist, laugh at him. If a conservative calls you a racist, punch him in the face.

Posted by: gp at September 15, 2015 11:49 AM (+Jpqc)

447

Actually, Drew, Cruz has credibility on the issue of fighting Illegal Immigration. And Bobby Jindal has excellent credibility too.

Despite being a staunch Trump supporter, I would make an easy transition to either of those candidates.

By the way, "attrition of illegals" is a superb phrase. Don't know if you coined it, but it is ten times better than "self deport".

Posted by: Trump Super-Fan at September 15, 2015 11:52 AM (l2dSQ)

448 New rules: If a progressive calls you a racist, laugh at him. If a conservative calls you a racist, punch him in the ~~face~~ c*nt.

FIFY

Posted by: rickb223 at September 15, 2015 11:52 AM (W4LFA)

449 That's why I said, "if that holds"...

Posted by: prescient11 at September 15, 2015 11:53 AM (q5APL)

450 @462 "... Personally, I see Trump scaring the hell out of Dems in all the rust belt states"

Love him or hate him - everybody should marvel at how a billionaire can really speak to "rust belt" people. Ironically, part of it is the very thing the pundit/political class hates about Trump - the over-simplified, unsophisticated, trash-talking. The other part is that he's apparently PATRIOTIC, and as a patriot has many of the EXACT SAME concerns.

Only Trump can short-circuit the leftist/corporatists that run both the parties and all media.

Posted by: Optimizer at September 15, 2015 11:54 AM (/q6+P)

451 416
Trump does not have much support from the feral apes. Nor should he seek it. We need a whites only movement.
Posted by: Taking America back at September 15, 2015 11:28 AM

OHAI, Killgore Trout.

Go Fuck Off, too.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at September 15, 2015 11:57 AM (2d3Bh)

452 I want to know who Trump will hire when he wins. Personnel is policy.

Posted by: Iblis at September 15, 2015 11:58 AM (9221z)

453 Don't quote the trolls, okay?

Posted by: rdbrewer at September 15, 2015 11:59 AM (Iyg03)

454
Also, your baseball analogy is a fairly good one.

Apparently the establishment GOP is living in the fantasy land that they can fire more than a third of the team (the strongest portion, incidentally) and make it to the playoffs.

Posted by: Trump Super-Fan at September 15, 2015 12:00 PM (l2dSQ)

455
By the way, that sad fantasy includes the notion of not only firing more than a third of the baseball team - but also having no way of replacing it.

Posted by: Trump Super-Fan at September 15, 2015 12:03 PM (l2dSQ)

456 @437 "IMO the GOP could take a lot of the wind out of Trump's sails, if they would change the conversation to one of 'Rule of Law'.

Obama and others have decided they only have to enforce Laws they like... Judges constantly make stupid rulings which don't follow Law... and we are verging on anarchy in some areas... "

Indeed!! Notice that when Trump asserted that birthright citizenship be challenged, even the Right Wing pundit class was dismissive.

PLUS, they continually claim that Trump doesn't really take stands on issues!!! They're so full of themselves, and dismissive of Trump because of his style of communication that they DON'T even notice that he's taking on issues that haven't even been widely recognized (by THEM, anyway)!

You hit the REAL issue - the Republicans have had NO push-back against the liberals and corporatists ("sanctuary cities" are another example), while Trump is downright AGGRESSIVE about it.

Posted by: Optimizer at September 15, 2015 12:03 PM (/q6+P)

457 Sowell came out and also blames the stupid voter ... Trump supporters are as dumb as Obama supporters to him. "are elections held for the purpose of venting emotions?" He even throws in a Hitler reference, despite the anti-PC movement being against the last 50 years of planned "commie" influence. Hitler was more of a globalist via warfare ... the left/GOPe is globalist via open borders and "free trade", and even "global warming" fraud.

Laura Ingraham points out two things Trump pushes, that make many willing to overlook fuzziness on other issues. one, a definite plan on stopping illegals. Two ... fighting for America on trade.

To me the "Free Trade" mantra is mostly BS. It is protectionist for corporate America ... protects their access to cheap labor even from communist America hating countries. Just as illegals in the fields are subsidized by welfare benefits, slave labor from other countries has the cost of American jobs, while also often supporting our enemies, even after they steal our nuke and missile tech, and personal records of 25 million Americans (which also influences their children's generation).

The dream of America being so busy with high end work that we need China to do our menial jobs has never worked out. But the corporate interests maintained their profit margins and have their riches safe in foreign tax havens. Economists have some rosy world view that their world of economics will equalize the world or something, forgetting that war and tyranny is more dominant than the western values that have been won and maintained with blood.

So Americans vote Trump if they at least hear someone willing to say "America First" and don't care what names the illegals or DC cocktail party calls them. (xenophobic, nativist, emotional wrecks, LIVs, racist, etc.)

Posted by: Illiniwek at September 15, 2015 12:04 PM (6zZ5y)

458 @452 "I want to know who Trump will hire when he wins. Personnel is policy."

Geez, you'd think I was Trump's spokesman or something, but...

Trump - though his reality show - is legendary for hiring extraordinarily people, rather than cronies. As an example, it was suggested (maybe by Trump, himself) that Trey Gowdy be his Attorney General. Which would be AWESOME.

Posted by: Optimizer at September 15, 2015 12:08 PM (/q6+P)

459 Trump's strength is that he's NOT trying to be all things to all people.

Posted by: Weasel at September 15, 2015 12:14 PM (6xtq3)

460 You've got no dog in this fight, so you'll vote Libertarian in the general election?Then who would that be, Rand Paul, the libertarian who endorsed McConnell in the GOP primary? You see, Paul needed Mitch's support for a state GOP rule change that would permit Paul to run for both his re-election to the Senate AND for the White House next year. So yeah, vote Libertarian, Drew. Conservatives are justso unclean, amirite?

Posted by: Born Free at September 15, 2015 12:16 PM (qWY9T)

461 Of course you haven't tried to help, Drew. You've done everything you can to make things worse. Meanwhile, Hillary will win and you'll be patting yourself on the back in smug, self-righteous satisfaction.

Posted by: JohnJ at September 15, 2015 12:17 PM (TF/YA)

462
Pinging out to Illiniwek @ # 457:

Well put. And very insightful.

Posted by: Trump Super-Fan at September 15, 2015 12:19 PM (l2dSQ)

463 @457 '...So Americans vote Trump if they at least hear someone willing to say "America First" and don't care what names the illegals or DC cocktail party calls them. (xenophobic, nativist, emotional wrecks, LIVs, racist, etc.)'

That's a big part of the "bottom line" with Trump. Why can't any other Republicans have the SAME attitude? It shouldn't even be controversial! It's like they've been brainwashed by the PC crowd, too.

For Coulter, she say if he actually solves the most basic of problems - that of foreigners invading our country - that she almost doesn't care what ELSE he does.

For me, if he can take a hammer to the plate glass window of political-correctness, I'm the same. Really, if you take on the PC Inquisition, the alien invasion is along for the ride.

Pundits like Sowell really show their elitist underbelly with this stuff.

You know, the OTHER thing about Trump is that SUCCESS is like crack to him. If something doesn't WORK, he doesn't have a strong ideological streak to keep him from adjusting what he's doing. Another thing that the pundits miss about Trump is that he's REALLY pretty smart, and learns and adjusts REALLY quickly. As they opine on how he needs to behave more the way THEY want, as the campaign progresses, he's WAY ahead of them and knows what he's doing a hell of a lot more than they do!

Posted by: Optimizer at September 15, 2015 12:21 PM (/q6+P)

464 A drunk illegal immigrant, with a van load of his illegal friends, plowed into a friend's son on a motorcycle, tried to leave the scene with victim close to death (ultimately lost leg), but there is a problem with me thinking that this guy and his friends are a negative for the country? I believe there are thousands, if not millions, of us that can personally relate to the negatives of illegal immigrants and their disrespect of our laws and our citizens.

Posted by: Ever at September 15, 2015 12:26 PM (QZdJj)

465 In the spirit of fairness and equanamity, as a Republican speaking to a big 'L' Libertarian, I think the way you guys can pull down more than 1-3% in any given election is to, oh hell I don't know, stop advocating free dope and abortions for everybody, stop promoting lunatic conspiracy theories usually involving Joos, Reptillian and Gray aliens and the Illuminati, stop putting forth idiotic and pernicious foreign policy ideas, and stop nominating for President weirdo assholes like Gary Johnson, a man who prefers to take his press interviews in the bathtub.

You know, since you Libertarians are all about constructive criticism from non-Libertarians.

Posted by: troyriser at September 15, 2015 12:36 PM (CMthJ)

466 Looks like reality is about to hit for the Whigs.....er, Republicans.......

Posted by: Akelm88 at September 15, 2015 01:07 PM (fydF3)

467 From the sidebar:
MRC: University of California Seeks to Create 'Right' to Be 'Free From Acts and Expressions of Intolerance'

Are we sure this isn't from the Onion? Because that sounds like something from the Onion.

"We will not tolerate intolerance!"

Posted by: West at September 15, 2015 01:07 PM (1Rgee)

468 Agree on dumping Boehner and McConnel.

Also, I think the GOP would do better with less candidates now.

And Ben Carson, who I do not support, showed how to deal with Trump, but I think it requires two candidates and not 16.

Carson was very softspoken and criticized Trump in a very legit way, and Trump went overboard attacking Carson as "an okay doctor."

Trump does not come off good.

But since Trump can keep returning to Jeb or whatever, its never highlighted completely just how bad he can get.

(Let's face it, I enjoy Trump going off, too.)

Finally, he's saying some very dumb things about trade. No, you cannot get Ford to move jobs back to America by 5:00 pm, for example.

I guess a lot of uneducated boobs believe this, but it suggests to me Trump is just salesmen who will say anything.

Posted by: Harun at September 15, 2015 01:08 PM (UBBWX)

469 I know Carson has support, is there people here that pick him has their first choice? I don't know of anyone that says Carson is the first choice.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 10:26 AM (LXJ1e)
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Nope.
He's on my will-never-vote-for list. Nice guy, but too nice, he's a squish and will fold to pressure once in office, already seems to have on immigration, comments on guns last year was down right scary.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at September 15, 2015 01:09 PM (MbrzC)

470 135
**ponders a TRUMP/CARSON ticket**

Posted by: fixerupper at September 15, 2015 10:27 AM (8XRCm)
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No thanks.
As for his rise, part of it is earned, part of it is media trying to talk up someone other then Trump, particularly Mrs Kelly on FNC, she's been all Carson all the time since the Trump dust up. If that doesn't work out they'll switch to Fiorina who give great speech but who the GOPe knows will play ball if ever elected.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at September 15, 2015 01:12 PM (MbrzC)

471 Oh joy. Just who we need. Colin Powell, M.D.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 15, 2015 10:30 AM (noWW6)
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That's exactly who I think of when I think of him, at least in so far as what will happen over time with him.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at September 15, 2015 01:14 PM (MbrzC)

472 "not a single mention of Cruz - what's up with that?"
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It's already been mentioned but yea...
Cruz == no credibility on immigration what so ever due to his insane belief we need to double the number of h1'b instead of cutting them by 2/3rds.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at September 15, 2015 01:20 PM (MbrzC)

473 How about let the voters kneecap Trump.

Can't say more about the ridiculous idea expressed in this post without getting banned.

Posted by: wodun at September 15, 2015 01:21 PM (DD0s8)

474 211 Can we please also stop using the mythical 11M illegal figure please? It's more like 30M.

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 15, 2015 10:45 AM (0LHZx)
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Exactly that figure is 20 years old and the number sure as sh1t hasn't gone down over time.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at September 15, 2015 01:23 PM (MbrzC)

475 It is extremely frustrating that several of the candidates are offering specific, detailed, and some cases quite radical proposals to change the direction of the country and all the media and pundits want to do is talk about Trump, who has basically said nothing of any substance other than he's going to "build a wall."

OK, chief, what kind of wall? Where on the border will it be? Down the middle of the Rio Grande? How's that going to work? After you build this hypothetical wall, what then?

It's amazing that people fall for this shit.

"Get rid of Boehner and MConnell?" How's that supposed to happen, Skippy? Last time I checked, they were elected leaders by the members of their caucuses, in open elections. So, you didn't like the outcomes of those elections? What's your serious, workable proposal to change those outcomes?

Getting mad isn't a strategy.

Walker has proposed: a radical overhaul of health insurance, eliminating Obamacare with a specific plan to replace it...eliminating the Iran deal on the first day in office...and completely radically altering unions and labor law for the first time since FDR, thus eliminating a key structural support for liberalism.

Incidentally, until Trump showed up playing the "angry nativist," Walker also had the most thorough and conservative immigration proposal.

People need to figure out what they want. Do they want to vent and get a good feelz. or do they actually want to change things in a conservative direction, for reelz?

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 15, 2015 01:23 PM (ljZD2)

476 Here's another thought-provoker for you: WOULD - COULD - TRUMP CARRY ... NEW YORK?!?!?

Posted by: Optimizer at September 15, 2015 11:35 AM (/q6+P)
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Nope.
This isn't 1980 demo's the like of NY and CA are too far gone, as will VA soon enough and then TX eventually if things don't change. Game over at that point.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at September 15, 2015 01:44 PM (MbrzC)

477 The donor class that supports the GOP and gives them money so they can boss them around...are get this...politically stupid.

Posted by: William Eaton at September 15, 2015 01:45 PM (q52Ma)

478 Personally, I see Trump scaring the hell out of Dems in all the rust belt states

Posted by: wrg500 at September 15, 2015 11:42 AM (sgrzZ)
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That I could see.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at September 15, 2015 01:46 PM (MbrzC)

479 441 Trump is Zell Miller. Who wouldn't vote for Zell Miller.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 15, 2015 11:43 AM (LXJ1e)
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That's exactly how I described him last night to a friend here in Georgia.
I said "No, Trumps not a conservative, he's like a 80's southern democrat, which at this point is actually an improvement over most of the so called Republican's in the race and in Congress, he's like governor Zell Miller, remember him, he was a Dem but at least he was a pretty sane one and actually seemed to care about the country."

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at September 15, 2015 01:51 PM (MbrzC)

480 "...he's like governor Zell Miller, remember him, he was a Dem but at least he was a pretty sane one and actually seemed to care about the country.""
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at September 15, 2015 01:51 PM (MbrzC)

You're comparing Donald Trump, entitled, pamperedchild of one of the wealthiest men in New York's history, to Zell Miller? Oh, wait: I'm sorry. My bad.You probably thought Trump pulled himself up by the bootstraps, like Miller. Or maybe you were comparing Miller's principled stands against the far-Left suborning his party to those of Trumpwhen Trump supported Hillary Clinton and championedpartial birth abortion.

Posted by: troyriser at September 15, 2015 02:02 PM (CMthJ)

481 Only a LITTLE bias comes through in your writing here, Drew.

Posted by: Sponge at September 15, 2015 02:06 PM (xttKs)

482 DrewM.: "But don't say I didn't try to help."

I'd rather you didn't. The Party (and Parties in general) need to die very public, painful deaths. Do not render aid. Do not resuscitate.

Be the pillow of death, not the blanket of security.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 15, 2015 02:36 PM (1CroS)

483 When you're right, Ace, you're spot on...

Posted by: setnaffa at September 15, 2015 02:56 PM (BtRXi)

484 BTW, I haven't voted for a Democrat or 3rd Party since before Jimmy Carter was elected; but I won't vote GOP if they keep Boehner and McConnell.

Posted by: setnaffa at September 15, 2015 02:58 PM (BtRXi)

485 America = Shareholders

President = CEO

Job of CEO? Prosperity Of The Shareholders

Who understands this purpose and has the best record with actually making this happen? [Hint: Second place goes to Walker]

Posted by: TT at September 15, 2015 03:25 PM (aHUpC)

486 "He's an outsider but sadly I think he's willing to come inside."

No. He's willing to lead and take the hit for making the unpopular decisions that any responsible POTUS in our current situation will have to do. Carson is very decent, soft-spoken, and deeply religious. To equate this with weakness or lack of leadership qualities is a mistake.

Posted by: Levin at September 15, 2015 03:48 PM (eOdp2)

487 Drew:
Libertarian? You vote libertarian?! Well, that explains alot. Please tell me which Lebertarian President has enacted conservative policies? Moved the country to the right? Oh, none of them have. Because there never has been and never will be a libertarian president (or senator for that matter). So why should we take the advice of someone who backs a philosophy that is tits on a bull useful?

Posted by: scott at September 15, 2015 04:39 PM (7S1U8)

488 Yeah, this column is why this blog is something I read rarely. Admixed with the useful advice that is also blindingly obvious (get rid of Boehner, etc), is absolute idiocy. You think that Trump's deport them all plan is ridiculous? That's because you don't understand how illegals think nor do you care to find out. Tell you what. Why don't you look at what happens when word gets out to the illegal community that ICE is coming to town. I'll be nice and give you a free clue: self-deportation in droves. And if you think that building a wall is ridiculous, you might want to see what the US did during World War II. I think a useful number is 1 bomber every 90 minutes 24/7. That's what we manufactured. And oh, Suez canal? Yup, we built that. So building a border wall is completely doable.

And you vote libertarian. Well, I can't deny a man the free exercise of his convictions, but I would say this, first. Perhaps your time and money would be better spent electing some libertarian legislators. Build the bench, you know. And I say that sarcastically, because no party has had more of a stunning lack of success in even getting the basics done than the libertarians.

Posted by: InRussetShadows at September 16, 2015 08:56 AM (cS+Sz)

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