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GOP Finally Notches Political Victory!
Trump will sign the loyalty pledge, his former (?) aide Roger Stone says.
"The truth is, Trump got what he wants, he's given up nothing and he's a strong frontrunner for the Republican nomination," Stone said. "I expect that he will sign the pledge today."But has he gotten everything he wanted? There have been scenarios floated where the state GOPs conspire to keep him off the ballot -- the establishment's nuclear weapon. Where is the escape clause that he can/will run as an independent if this happens? Meanwhile, MZ Hemingway wonders why the GOP is forced to resort to securing loyalty pledges to keep people in the party, rather than, you know, doing things that make people proud and happy to remain within the party.
"I [candidate’s name] affirm that if I do not win the 2016 Republican nomination for president of the United States I will endorse the 2016 Republican presidential nominee regardless of who it is," the pledge says. "I further pledge that I will not seek to run as an independent or write-in candidate nor will I seek or accept the nomination for president of any other party."
I'm not sure that Republicans quite get the nature of the problem -- and their obsessive focus on Trump is giving them an excuse to ignore it. A few days ago the user behind the Twitter account ThomasHCrown began tweeting out sarcastic explanations for why he votes Republican, using the hashtag #WhyIVoteRepublican. Here are some of them. No, you don't need to read them all but a good skim is rewarding: So Mitch McConnell can be Majority Leader and help the Democrats to victory. So John Boehner can fund President Obama's usurpation of power. So Planned Parenthood can continue using tax dollars to butcher the unborn and sell their parts for profit. So Fortune 100 Companies can be shielded from the free market. So yet another Clinton or Bush or whatever can be President. So Supreme Court rulings that clearly exceed any possible basis in the Constitution can be quietly accepted. So that we continue to turn perfectly useful corn into energy-inefficient and starvation-causing ethanol. So the regulatory state will continue to grow without even pausing. So Christians can be forced to materially cooperate with evil as long as Wal-Mart is happy. So my children can be forced to learn how all the heroes of the twentieth century were Democrats. So sugar subsidies can increase. So every bank about the community bank size is too big to fail. So every major investment firm is protected from any downside risk to gambling with shareholder money. So that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac may live forever. So that Iran will be in a position to destroy Israel utterly within a handful of years. So that China will have de facto hegemonic control over East Asia. Or a war. Whatever. ...And so on. And on and on. The Trump thing is scary to the GOP because they know they're failing and f***ing over their voters -- so the prospect of an Escape hosta (whether you find that Escape hosta clownish or not) is frightening. Their main goals -- check that; their only goals -- are fundraising from millionaires and keeping their phony-baloney jobs. But those aren't our priorities -- I don't get a cut of their salaries. I send -- or, I used to send -- them to DC to bring back specific policy achievements. They don't do that. They don't even bother trying to do that. They just tell us "It's too hard to do that, we might lose the moderates or whatever and lose our phony-baloney jobs if we did that." Oh? Well then I certainly wouldn't want you to put your glittering careers of Doing Nothing at risk. So do go on, doing nothing at all, and collecting those checks from the Chamber of Commerce. Meanwhile, more and more of us are jumping out of the Escape hosta. Enough. Enough. Enough of the enabling. Enough of the codependency, permitting these people to continue hurting us. As they say in intervention circles: At some point, if you keep enabling the behavior, you're no longer a victim: You're a volunteer. Well, I'm a volunteer no more.
So that our immigration laws are merely code for "whatever the Chamber of Commerce wants."
... So conservative Republicans can be called racists basically whenever. So that John McCain will be a Senator until 2136. ... So that one million children, give or take, will be aborted per year, and I'll learn about it in fundraising letters. ... So the Federal Courts become our de facto ruling class. So the President becomes the Princeps.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at September 03, 2015 11:59 AM (laMCB)
Posted by: Andy at September 03, 2015 12:00 PM (8etFP)
Posted by: NotCoach at September 03, 2015 12:00 PM (rsudF)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 03, 2015 12:01 PM (evdj2)
And we fart in their general direction.
Posted by: tcn in AK at September 03, 2015 12:01 PM (+YMhA)
thinks that America needs whatever agenda he's pushing. In that context,
signing the loyalty pledge says that the republican party is more
important than the USA.
Posted by: irright at September 03, 2015 12:01 PM (zxnPQ)
Posted by: Vic at September 03, 2015 12:01 PM (t2KH5)
Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at September 03, 2015 12:02 PM (WDySP)
Enough of the enabling. Enough of the codependency, permitting these people to continue hurting us.
As they say in intervention circles: At some point, if you keep enabling the behavior, you're no longer a victim: You're a volunteer.
Well, I'm a volunteer no more.
All. Of. This.
Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at September 03, 2015 12:02 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2015 12:02 PM (zt+N6)
How can anyone stop him from doing whatever he wants?
I see nothing but a photo op.
And notice that Christie went to Fox News to sign it and Preince is going to Trump in Trump's Tower.
That's power games folks. That tells you who is the power and who is the petitioner.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 03, 2015 12:03 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 03, 2015 12:03 PM (AkOaV)
Stay outside and away from the RNC.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 03, 2015 12:03 PM (pTY38)
Posted by: logprof at September 03, 2015 12:03 PM (vsbNu)
Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at September 03, 2015 12:03 PM (SCcgT)
Posted by: ace at September 03, 2015 12:04 PM (dciA+)
What's the penalty if he signs it, then runs as a third party anyway?
Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2015 12:04 PM (wyNrR)
That would be a first, wouldn't it?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 03, 2015 12:04 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at September 03, 2015 12:05 PM (laMCB)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 03, 2015 12:05 PM (gf8BH)
Saying, you guys screwed up, I got your attitude-adjusted priorities right here, and then running, is a thumb to the establishment. A bigger one than if he didn't sign the pledge.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 03, 2015 12:05 PM (2lndx)
Some states have a 'sore loser' policy. How that's legally enforced I don't know.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 03, 2015 12:05 PM (evdj2)
As for the rants themselves, of course I agree. Without a vision and leadership the party is left to rot in the corruption inherent to politics.
Pribus, McConnell, Boehner, et al don't care about these complaints either, because--in their estimation-- the difference between replacing them as leaders and replacing the entire GOP as a party is exacty the same.
Posted by: MTF at September 03, 2015 12:05 PM (TxJGV)
Posted by: Furious George at September 03, 2015 12:05 PM (UlJ3l)
you say that all friendly-like but I get the dig, I get it
Posted by: ace
Good morning, Don Ace. Bestest, fairest blogfather in all the land.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2015 12:05 PM (wyNrR)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 03, 2015 12:05 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: logprof at September 03, 2015 12:03 PM (vsbNu)
And most definitely did NOT suck GOPe dick.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 03, 2015 12:05 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at September 03, 2015 12:05 PM (HSmrB)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 03, 2015 12:06 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: The GOPe at September 03, 2015 12:06 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Gene Kelly at September 03, 2015 12:06 PM (l9UEg)
Posted by: Al Sharpton at September 03, 2015 12:06 PM (laMCB)
So they are just trying to keep everyone calmed down until the game clock runs out, and someone else takes a turn.
Don't do anything rash, don't start any fires. Just wait, everything will be ok after a new president takes office.
Posted by: Herman Lackluster at September 03, 2015 12:06 PM (W1rLi)
Trump's people are saying - ok, maybe he's not a conservative, but you're telling me that Boehner/McConnell are? I know we're not getting anywhere with the current leaders (or Bush), so let's just clean house, even if that means Trump.
Posted by: duke at September 03, 2015 12:06 PM (mDxGf)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 03, 2015 12:07 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: irright at September 03, 2015 12:07 PM (zxnPQ)
I SAID "14th" AND I WAS 14TH!
AND THEN YOU HAD TO DELETE COMMENTS
AND NOW MY 14 IS AT NUMBER 12!
arghggfjghjguh
Okay, I'm over it.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 03, 2015 12:07 PM (AkOaV)
I don't think he needs one. If they do something like that, he can have it voided legally (if it's legally binding in the first place). Also, if they do something like that, they'll be burning down the party.
I'm not sure if I hope they realize that, or if I hope they don't...
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 03, 2015 12:07 PM (kff5f)
They will start having more demands to gain ballot access.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 03, 2015 12:07 PM (pTY38)
Posted by: Furious George at September 03, 2015 12:07 PM (UlJ3l)
Ha!
Posted by: Lizzy at September 03, 2015 12:07 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: @votermom at September 03, 2015 12:07 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at September 03, 2015 12:08 PM (/eTPT)
I SAID "14th" AND I WAS 14TH!
AND THEN YOU HAD TO DELETE COMMENTS
AND NOW MY 14 IS AT NUMBER 12!
arghggfjghjguh
Okay, I'm over it.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 03, 2015 12:07 PM (AkOaV)
I rule it organic and locally-sourced. He's already over it, so not sustainable.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 03, 2015 12:08 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Garrett at September 03, 2015 12:08 PM (TzlU8)
In 2014 I gave $0 and did nothing to help. I still voted for the GOP, although I had to force myself to do it.
In 2016, I'll vote for Trump, I'll vote for Cruz. If Jeb or Kasich is the nominee, I will donate to the Hillary campaign.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at September 03, 2015 12:08 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Killerdog at September 03, 2015 12:08 PM (B2CFv)
He could suddenly learn how to talk and be a factor.
Posted by: jwest at September 03, 2015 12:08 PM (Zs4uk)
These guys want loyalty pledges to the party but can't even demonstrate loyalty to their own fvkcing party platforms??
The balls on these guys.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 03, 2015 12:08 PM (Wckf4)
Well, this is why.
Burn. It. Down.
WICKER MAN 2016
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 03, 2015 12:08 PM (9krrF)
Posted by: Irony at September 03, 2015 12:08 PM (3FBAK)
Posted by: Countrysquire, feeling reasonably fresh down there at September 03, 2015 12:08 PM (eEBON)
Posted by: Insomniac at September 03, 2015 12:08 PM (2Ojst)
Thank you for the ruling, I was going to appeal any adverse ruling to a Federal Judge to try to get the contract invalidated if I failed to succeed in the first round.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 03, 2015 12:09 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2015 12:09 PM (zt+N6)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 03, 2015 12:09 PM (gf8BH)
Welcome to the team. Here's your fire-hook, bag of rock salt, and jaunty hat.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 03, 2015 12:09 PM (kff5f)
Campaign ads saying Trump breaks his promises.
Would it work on Trump? Maybe.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 03, 2015 12:09 PM (pTY38)
I hope Trump negotiated that there be no open primaries. Then again, maybe Dems will organize crossover votes *for* Trump to stir up trouble.
Ugh.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 03, 2015 12:10 PM (NOIQH)
Do we get to give them explosive collars?
I vote the remote for such should be given to AtC, natch, who I totally believe will be totally fair, totally objective, and totally merciful in executing
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 03, 2015 12:10 PM (9krrF)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 03, 2015 12:08 PM (9krrF)
NOT THE BEES!!!! Arrrg*gurgle*hhhh....
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at September 03, 2015 12:10 PM (vgIRn)
of the united states of america
and to the campaign dollars for which they stand
one party under control
with liberty and justice for them
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at September 03, 2015 12:10 PM (/eTPT)
Posted by: himself at September 03, 2015 12:10 PM (8CdUx)
Reince Priebus can play the role of the lawyer.
Posted by: Stu Podaso at September 03, 2015 12:10 PM (24wi6)
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at September 03, 2015 12:11 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2015 12:09 PM (zt+N6)
You would say that, being on 'eternal' vacation...
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 03, 2015 12:11 PM (pTY38)
AND THEN YOU HAD TO DELETE COMMENTS
AND NOW MY 14 IS AT NUMBER 12!
Soothsayer is getting whacked at each posting. BTDT.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2015 12:11 PM (wyNrR)
Posted by: irongrampa at September 03, 2015 12:11 PM (jeCnD)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 03, 2015 12:11 PM (b/6cr)
I think Ace is falling to the same category I found myself in despite never thinking it could happen to me:
The "Of course I am too smart to vote for Trump but now that I heard his pretty, pretty words and compared it to the vulgar fart-song of Jeb and company, I feel compelled to say that only Trump has even pretended to address my concerns as an American and Republican. So fuck you, GOP, say the words I want and mean them, or I can give a flip."
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 03, 2015 12:11 PM (9aeyG)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 03, 2015 12:11 PM (x3GpS)
I don't care about Trump signing any pledges to the GOP douchebags. What I want is for the Vichy GOP lowlifes to be forced to live up to their oaths of office. make them sign those and then explain how that meshes with all the impeachable, un-Constitutional acts that barky has committed and been allowed to slide on.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 03, 2015 12:11 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: Weasel at September 03, 2015 12:11 PM (6xtq3)
Posted by: Tom Brady at September 03, 2015 12:11 PM (i23N/)
I've read that Jeb! has received a lot of $$$ from Hillary's donors. It's not like he's amassed more money than all the other candidates via small dollar checks from regular citizens.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 03, 2015 12:12 PM (NOIQH)
And people like me will say, "yep" and vote for Trump.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 03, 2015 12:12 PM (E5UB0)
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like anyone would ever break a campaign promise
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at September 03, 2015 12:12 PM (/eTPT)
Not trying to tweak you here, but your position on this seems to swing back and forth. How do you reconcile this Fvck the GOP position with your previous comment that if Jeb and Hillary got the nom that you'd ultimately vote for Jeb?
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 03, 2015 12:12 PM (Wckf4)
Posted by: Weasel at September 03, 2015 12:11 PM (6xtq3)
In our bunks.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 03, 2015 12:12 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: and it's not that POS the Clintons kept playing at September 03, 2015 12:12 PM (ZtFr+)
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 12:12 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Feh at September 03, 2015 12:12 PM (FHaO9)
Posted by: Soothie at September 03, 2015 12:12 PM (J5lvw)
Posted by: Nic Cage in the Wicker Man 2016 at September 03, 2015 12:12 PM (lRwmz)
Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2015 12:11 PM (wyNrR)
I'm not here for excuses, rickb.
Do you know what the chances were of me guessing "14" before I reloaded and actually being 14?
I was so impressed with myself.
Now I look like an idiot. "14" at number 12? I mean come on. Amateur hour.
I feel like I was microaggressed against.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 03, 2015 12:12 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Weasel at September 03, 2015 12:11 PM (6xtq3)
Just now getting a feel for it.
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at September 03, 2015 12:12 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 03, 2015 12:13 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 03, 2015 12:13 PM (9krrF)
the behavior, you're no longer a victim: You're a volunteer.
They're well past that into collaborators.
Posted by: DaveA at September 03, 2015 12:13 PM (DL2i+)
nor any of their downstream failures in waiting.
Posted by: redc1c4 at September 03, 2015 12:13 PM (I8nxO)
Who do you think Trump is? He may be Trump but he is not Perot level crazy. If he somehow manages to lose nomination at this point, do you think he's going to take a chunk out of his penthouse pet banging schedule to run for pres as a losing third party?
Nah...
he's got lunch or something.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 03, 2015 12:13 PM (9aeyG)
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at September 03, 2015 12:13 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 03, 2015 12:13 PM (i23N/)
They just told the 41% of people who self identify as independents that if you want to be part of us, you must be ALL in, or nothing.
So even though we have lied to you, not followed OUR promises to you.... YOU must pledge your loyalty to us, or we will not play with you.
Now, considering there are more Independents than there are REPUBLICANS????
Posted by: BB Wolf at September 03, 2015 12:13 PM (qh617)
Jebacle.
This wordsmithing approved by me; Bitter Clinger and All That.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 03, 2015 12:13 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: Reince P. at September 03, 2015 12:14 PM (/eTPT)
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at September 03, 2015 12:13 PM (RD7QR)
No, of course not.
Contract requires consideration.
What does trump get out of this?
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 03, 2015 12:14 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: NotCoach at September 03, 2015 12:00 PM (rsudF)
Bullshit decision that was only based on what the judge deemed "fair" It'll be overturned in time to suspend Mr Bundchen for the last 4 of the season...
Posted by: Timon at September 03, 2015 12:14 PM (ZDJwC)
Posted by: Garrett at September 03, 2015 12:14 PM (TzlU8)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 03, 2015 12:09 PM (pTY3
Depends on how he loses (assuming, arguendo, that he does). If he loses in actual primaries/caucuses then it could work: "Hey, he had a shot, he blew it, now he doesn't like the result."
OTOH, if they keep him off the ballot... then he can say in full honesty "The Party refused even to let me run in an honest campaign, how can I be held to an agreement I signed in good faith when they did not act in good faith?"
Indeed, it would be sweetly ironic if he used signing this as special pressure on the GOP specifically to make sure no such state-level shenanigans are pulled.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 03, 2015 12:14 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: kraken at September 03, 2015 12:14 PM (sdxPm)
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That's "former border state governor Jeb! Bush" he said it on Fox the other day, I think we need it in the style guide?
Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at September 03, 2015 12:14 PM (WDySP)
Posted by: Countrysquire, feeling reasonably fresh down there
Just the tip
Posted by: Hugh Johnson at September 03, 2015 12:14 PM (W5DcG)
"They lied to you. I lied to them." Has a nice ring to it.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 03, 2015 12:14 PM (2lndx)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 03, 2015 12:15 PM (i23N/)
Come for the politics, stay for the poetry.
Fart-song. Indeed.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2015 12:15 PM (wyNrR)
Posted by: Timon at September 03, 2015 12:14 PM (ZDJwC)
No way
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 03, 2015 12:15 PM (gf8BH)
Did Ron Paul ever have to sign a loyalty pledge? He ran as the Libertarian candidate in 1988.
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2015 12:15 PM (zt+N6)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 Gigawatt SanityProd (tm) at September 03, 2015 12:15 PM (UOsvH)
Posted by: Coolio at September 03, 2015 12:15 PM (yrBta)
Posted by: Soothie at September 03, 2015 12:15 PM (J5lvw)
Would it work on Trump? Maybe."***
I dunno, seeing as how Trump just counterattacks on, well, everything...he'd probably run ads showing how the GOP routinely breaks theirs and he's going to change that.
As Trump is demonstrating, when you put your offense on the field, you can actually score points.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 03, 2015 12:15 PM (Wckf4)
Thank you, Ace (pbuh), for being the kindest, gentlest, hobo-slaying, garbage-wrestling Ewok.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 03, 2015 12:16 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 12:12 PM (gmeXX)
You will swear your oath of allegiance to us... kneel a Peasant... Arise a Knight of the Party!
Posted by: Prince Pribus at September 03, 2015 12:16 PM (qh617)
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at September 03, 2015 12:16 PM (1RNgT)
And judges have upheld these laws.
Posted by: Vic at September 03, 2015 12:16 PM (t2KH5)
learn the lesson. be #1
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at September 03, 2015 12:17 PM (/eTPT)
Posted by: Coolio at September 03, 2015 12:15 PM (yrBta)
Really? Because that happened in Alaska, and I don't remember GOPe apologists running out to demand Murkowski not run. And I still don't see anyone demanding she resign.
And she kept her seniority and committee positions even though she ran as an independent and is not a Republican.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 03, 2015 12:17 PM (AkOaV)
I'm under no illusions that the party's not going to mean girl backstab him all the way to the primary, and if he loses it, he'll just say screw you, here's the crap you guys did to undermine me.
That's my cynical side talking, though.
Posted by: Chupacabras at September 03, 2015 12:17 PM (q/kmn)
Posted by: zmdavid at September 03, 2015 12:17 PM (2k2fb)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 03, 2015 12:17 PM (i23N/)
Also, this Thomas Crown guy must be a moron who lives on this site. That list sounds exactly like one of the meme threads here
Posted by: L, Elle at September 03, 2015 12:17 PM (b/6cr)
Some states have a 'sore loser' policy. How that's legally enforced I don't know.
.
.
.They can't get put on the ballot no matter how many signatures they get.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 03, 2015 12:18 PM (iONHu)
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2015 12:15 PM (zt+N6)
Well the GOPe never saw Ron as a threat. They thought he was a kooky but likable enough guy who had 0 chance of ever winning.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 03, 2015 12:18 PM (AkOaV)
Where is the escape clause that he can/will run as an independent if this happens?
Does this 'agreement' carry any legal weight at all? How does it prevent him from physically collecting signatures to go on the November ballot as a third party under existing law, or registering as a write-in candidate under existing law, if circumstances warrant it? Or is he signing an agreement in all 50 states (as the laws I just asked about are certainly by state)?
It seems like an empty gesture to me.
Posted by: Methos believes in free will(ow) at September 03, 2015 12:18 PM (ZbV+0)
No. Fuck you.
See, we've entered the stage where you have nothing to give me, yet I have much to give you.
But I hate you, and you aren't getting it. So fuck you.
Posted by: Lauren at September 03, 2015 12:18 PM (GZ6Pf)
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at September 03, 2015 12:18 PM (/eTPT)
I don't think it could hold up in court.
Posted by: doug at September 03, 2015 12:18 PM (Ij5tG)
Whatever he has planned, he'll doubtless get a couple of more poll points from it.
I'm still surprised he hasn't caught more flak from his Tea Party support the other day. That was unexpected.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 03, 2015 12:18 PM (LUgeY)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 03, 2015 12:18 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: goon at September 03, 2015 12:18 PM (gy5kE)
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What are you talking about ? There is not a single thing binding in any way about some nonsensical "loyalty pledge".
When it comes down to it, say 8 months from now and Trump has somehow lost his current level of support, and ends up on teh outside looking in, what the hell are the consequences for him 1) not supporting the nominee or 2) going third party ??!?
In neither case is he beholden to the Republican Party for anything. They have no leverage whatsoever. The fact that they think this is actually meaningful is just more clear indication that they are clueless and that the general incompetence of Republicans actually makes sense since these are the rocket surgeons they've put in charge of the party.
Posted by: deadrody at September 03, 2015 12:18 PM (kj7T1)
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I think it could be a bad move by Trump, but who knows. Nothing sticks to him.
Frankly, I think he should respond like I did before. When asked if he'll sign a pledge just say:
"This isn't Russia, we don't do loyalty pledges in America."
That would be solid gold.
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 12:18 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 03, 2015 12:19 PM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Timon at September 03, 2015 12:19 PM (ZDJwC)
This has got to be the most disturbing thing I have ever witnessed in all my years watching politics.
Essentially rinsed pubis and the GOPe is saying Join or Die.
Reince, you are no Benjamin Franklin and GOPe, you are a disgrace.
Posted by: Kreplach at September 03, 2015 12:19 PM (eDW1j)
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at September 03, 2015 12:19 PM (/eTPT)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 03, 2015 12:19 PM (zc3Db)
If it was me, I'd demand a pledge from them to stop fcuking over their electorate and actually do the stuff they promised they'd do.
We don't mind if Obama vetoes stuff. That's okay. But at least TRY g-ddammit. TRY.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 03, 2015 12:19 PM (x3GpS)
As in, none.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 03, 2015 12:20 PM (AkOaV)
But Bernie Sanders is a closed-borders protectionist. The Left is conflicted on immigration too.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 03, 2015 12:20 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: deadrody
___________
So in other words, loyalty oafs?
Posted by: Furious George at September 03, 2015 12:20 PM (UlJ3l)
Posted by: Irony at September 03, 2015 12:20 PM (3FBAK)
Posted by: Xerxes Priebus at September 03, 2015 12:20 PM (pTY38)
96 91 Seriously, is there any way that such a pledge could be a legally enforceable contract?
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at September 03, 2015 12:13 PM (RD7QR)
No, of course not.
Contract requires consideration.
What does trump get out of this?
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 03, 2015 12:14 PM (AkOaV)
Yep.... there is some quid pro quo here...
Remember, Trump is the guy who WROTE 'the Art of the Deal'....
Posted by: BB Wolf at September 03, 2015 12:20 PM (qh617)
The Berlin Wall was built to keep Berliners in, not to keep hordes of immigrants and refugees out. Draw your own conclusions.
Posted by: Qoheleth at September 03, 2015 12:21 PM (iIzG7)
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 03, 2015 12:21 PM (AkOaV)
She sounds like a goat being raped.
Posted by: Garrett at September 03, 2015 12:21 PM (TzlU8)
GOP flunkies go to Trump Tower, MSM in tow, to get Trump to sign "the pledge".
They enter Trump's office, handshakes all around.
They hand him the pledge.
He picks up the pen to sign it.
He snaps the pen in two, picks up the pledge, tears it in half, sets it on fire, then uses it to light a cigar.
Followed by a "Good Day to you, sir. You may now leave".
Posted by: Tex Lovera at September 03, 2015 12:21 PM (wtvvX)
Posted by: Irony at September 03, 2015 12:20 PM (3FBAK)
Well... I've heard.... Rumors.... about it...
Posted by: BB Wolf at September 03, 2015 12:21 PM (qh617)
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right areola
Are we working left to right or right to left here?
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 03, 2015 12:21 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: Timon at September 03, 2015 12:14 PM (ZDJwC)
No way
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 03, 2015 12:15 PM (gf8BH)
You don't actually think that the commish is going tuck his tail between his legs and go home do you? This will be appealed and the NFL will win. I hate Gooddell but this will be overturned.
Posted by: Timon at September 03, 2015 12:21 PM (ZDJwC)
Today I received the GOP loyalty pledge from Rinse Penis that codifies the GOP will guarantee each and every pre-election pledge from the party will be honored.
I'm impressed with their first time honesty, but skeptical the bastards will honor their commitment to all party members. Ugh, they're still going to stick it up our asses!
Posted by: Doctor Fish at September 03, 2015 12:21 PM (OiFtZ)
As if anyone is going to transfer their Trump loyalty to some lame ass establishment Jeb type who gets the nom.
Trump knows his supporters will never support a milquetoast RINO. The gesture is empty.
This is theater.
Posted by: Feh at September 03, 2015 12:22 PM (FHaO9)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 03, 2015 12:22 PM (b/6cr)
Trump refuses to sign anything for Republican Lancie Pribus
Trump wins nomination hands down Landslide
And wins Presidency
Trump Dismantles 8 years of treasonous behavior by both sides..
Posted by: Cornwallus Estabishmentus at September 03, 2015 12:22 PM (/WmRg)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 03, 2015 12:22 PM (i23N/)
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In fairness, that is pretty much how we decide things these days.
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 12:22 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: AmishDude at September 03, 2015 12:20 PM (JIElb)
well that was the Dem position until about 10 years ago.
Remember the unions going apeshit over Reagans amnesty in '86? And saying R's just wanted cheap "slave" labor and were f'ing over the middle class?
it wasn't until the Dems realized "ooh, votes." that they switched tacts.
Kind of like the Dems with Civil Rights. They fought it hard in the '50s then LBJ said, "ooh, votes. hey listen idiots -- lets just buy the black vote and move on."
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 03, 2015 12:22 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at September 03, 2015 12:23 PM (mcdnH)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at September 03, 2015 12:23 PM (XtAzU)
With this demand for a pledge they obviously feel that Trump is a threat but that they can counter that threat within the party.
Look for a screwed up convention if Trump wins the votes.
Given how they've been acting, they think they're bullet proof and will resort to convention shenanigans to get Jeb or Kasich (maybe Carly) in as candidate.
They have drawn the line in the sand and I'm stepping over it.
Trump 2016
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 03, 2015 12:23 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at September 03, 2015 12:23 PM (wtvvX)
Lethal compliance devices. Mmmmhh.
What a great idea for universities too! Cuts out all of that wrong thinking.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 03, 2015 12:23 PM (AC0lD)
Posted by: redc1c4 at September 03, 2015 12:23 PM (I8nxO)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 03, 2015 12:23 PM (i23N/)
Posted by: Timon at September 03, 2015 12:14 PM (ZDJwC)"
____________________________________________
Actually you're quite wrong. The judge made no comment about Brady's guilt or innocence. The ruling was based on the fact that Goodell had no authority to hand down such an arbitrary punishment under the collective bargaining agreement.
Posted by: NotCoach at September 03, 2015 12:23 PM (rsudF)
Posted by: Chupacabras at September 03, 2015 12:23 PM (q/kmn)
well, as an act of good faith why dont they torpedo Obamas exec amnesty and kill the Iran deal like they promised to do in 2014?
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 03, 2015 12:23 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic
Yes, yes praise be the Ewok, may he never have fleas.
Posted by: wrg500 at September 03, 2015 12:24 PM (kQBSd)
Heh, yes.
They don't want Trump supporters to have an option to vote for him should he not get the GOP nomination.
That's the prize for them.
I would imagine they're quite certain they can get Jeb the nomination through other means, so they need to nail down that 30% or whatever who want Trump at this point.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 03, 2015 12:24 PM (NOIQH)
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The judge was wrong.
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 12:24 PM (gmeXX)
THE METAL GODS SCOWL IN SCORN
Posted by: Feh at September 03, 2015 12:24 PM (FHaO9)
Posted by: Donald's Ear Trumpet at September 03, 2015 12:24 PM (wAQA5)
The clown show must go on.
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 03, 2015 12:24 PM (gyKtp)
Posted by: nip at September 03, 2015 12:24 PM (a6Odp)
Posted by: Timon at September 03, 2015 12:21 PM (ZDJwC)
He might appeal but he will lose that also. There is no proof. There is not cause and effect. The NFL with held evidence. It was a shame investigation. If the NFL is smart, they should cut their loses and move on. Of course they are not smart. But there will be NO injunction. And if they do appeal it will drag on for years
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 03, 2015 12:24 PM (gf8BH)
And she kept her seniority and committee positions even though she ran as an independent and is not a Republican.
Posted by: mynewhandle
Be honest, it was a shitty move. I know it pissed me off.
I remember many conservatives making the same case.If you want to run on a party ticket, you abide by the decision voters make.
At the end of the day, she won on a write in campaign, so I don't know what more could have been done to keep her from winning. That name is like Kennedy in Alaska and they are addicted to pork.
I put he blame more on Alaska voters
Posted by: Coolio at September 03, 2015 12:24 PM (yrBta)
Posted by: Coolio
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Even if they cheat by keeping him off the ballot? Eff that. We have no moral duties as to fair play to the establishment, after crap like Thad Cochran pulled. Just as our normal moral obligation not to physically harm people is voided if they try to attack you.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 03, 2015 12:24 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: Garrett at September 03, 2015 12:24 PM (TzlU8)
Posted by: Kreplach at September 03, 2015 12:24 PM (eDW1j)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 03, 2015 12:25 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 03, 2015 12:25 PM (JO9+V)
Posted by: Doctor Fish at September 03, 2015 12:25 PM (OiFtZ)
Posted by: kraken at September 03, 2015 12:25 PM (sdxPm)
Posted by: backup harmony goat at September 03, 2015 12:25 PM (ZtFr+)
Actually you're quite wrong. The judge made no comment about Brady's guilt or innocence. The ruling was based on the fact that Goodell had no authority to hand down such an arbitrary punishment under the collective bargaining agreement.
Posted by: NotCoach at September 03, 2015 12:23 PM (rsudF)
I have read it now and followed it all the way through
It is an asinine decision. You cannot categorize all violations under a CBA when running a league.
And he did just rule on what's fair in his opinion.
Now go away Pats* lover. :-)
Posted by: Timon at September 03, 2015 12:25 PM (ZDJwC)
Yep. Trump, or I go hog hunting that day.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2015 12:25 PM (wyNrR)
Posted by: Soothie at September 03, 2015 12:25 PM (J5lvw)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 03, 2015 12:26 PM (i23N/)
Posted by: AmishDude at September 03, 2015 12:20 PM (JIElb)
__________
No he is not.
Read his position on immigration. It's as if La Raza wrote it.
https://berniesanders.com/issues/fair-and-humane-immigration-policy/
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at September 03, 2015 12:26 PM (0LHZx)
Seems are elderly, techno-ignorant former SoS only erased her Outlook Inbox, but forgot to also erase what was in her Sent box.
*headslap*
Smartest woman evah!
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/hillary-clinton-hacked-emails-sale/
Posted by: Lizzy at September 03, 2015 12:26 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 03, 2015 12:26 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: The Nayden Broad at September 03, 2015 12:26 PM (vPXv6)
Posted by: Coolio at September 03, 2015 12:24 PM (yrBta)
okay, then if Trump runs third party and the states electorate votes for him, you're cool with it then?
See, the R's could have shunned her and not let her back on the committees and made her caucus as a "junior independent senator" but they didn't. They helped her win behind the scenes and welcomed her back with open arms.
These loyalty pledges and "rules" and "sore loser" agreements only go one way
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 03, 2015 12:26 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Landofskybluewater at September 03, 2015 12:26 PM (lRwmz)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 03, 2015 12:26 PM (9krrF)
You know, if Trump signs, it means he thinks he can win the whole damned thing, heads up, house rules.
Which means he's going the distance.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 03, 2015 12:26 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 03, 2015 12:26 PM (iQIUe)
I'd rather see Goodell with the black eye, so I'm happy with the ruling.
Posted by: McAdams at September 03, 2015 12:26 PM (nq/J2)
What if they flat out admitted they were too incompetent, inarticulate
and cowardly to effect any real positive change, but they could pretty
much guarantee a slower roll off
We suck less idea doesn't sound like a winner but it's definitely a GOPe Consultant Class Idea.
Posted by: DaveA at September 03, 2015 12:26 PM (DL2i+)
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Please stop saying there is no proof as proof is not what is required. Evidence is required. Destroying your cell phone and not participating in an investigation is evidence, and you are free to draw whatever conclusion you want from that.
Texts from ballboys is evidence. There is lots and lots of evidence.
It may not be sufficient for you, but there is evidence.
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 12:26 PM (gmeXX)
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well, first off don't think of it as work. The point is to enjoy yourself. but, yeah left to right like all normal folks do.
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at September 03, 2015 12:26 PM (/eTPT)
Posted by: Chupacabras at September 03, 2015 12:27 PM (q/kmn)
Apparently she was had a serious drug problem and slept with everyone in the band causing a lot of discord which would explain why Fleetwood Mac sucked so bad. Idk why But I think she flirted with occult beliefs and was a satan lover or something.
Posted by: L, Elle at September 03, 2015 12:27 PM (b/6cr)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 03, 2015 12:27 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Garrett at September 03, 2015 12:27 PM (TzlU8)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 03, 2015 12:27 PM (i23N/)
Posted by: Irony at September 03, 2015 12:27 PM (3FBAK)
On the 50 yard line in honor of Coach Conrad.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 03, 2015 12:27 PM (2lndx)
Just this morning I made my labrador sign a loyalty oath.
Hopefully that will keep him away from the neighbors when the wave at him.
Posted by: Sin After Sin at September 03, 2015 12:28 PM (llNQ1)
.
.
.They can't get put on the ballot no matter how many signatures they get.
I hate getting behind in threads.
On the off chance no one's asked yet, how many of those states are must haves for not-democrats?
Posted by: Methos believes in free will(ow) at September 03, 2015 12:28 PM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: Sir Edmund Rodham at September 03, 2015 12:28 PM (OiFtZ)
IMO, the current lineup is just rock music for girls, NTTAWWT. I prefer some instrumental fire, like a screaming guitar or smoking piano solo. Lindsey Buckingham just doesn't play that way.
I will note for the record that Christine McVie was the first-call blues pianist in London for many years.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 03, 2015 12:28 PM (LUgeY)
Posted by: maddogg at September 03, 2015 12:28 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: Fleetwood Buffet at September 03, 2015 12:28 PM (W5DcG)
I'm throwing my support behind Cruz, but even if he were to miraculously win the presidency, I have little hope for our country.
I'm working with a group that is aiding Yazidi refugees. Just edited a piece talking about a 4 year old boy who died of dehydration trying to flee to safety. That's our future, and my goal now is to prepare for the inevitable collapse.
Posted by: Lauren at September 03, 2015 12:28 PM (GZ6Pf)
What I'm saying is this: If a third party split was successful once before (and it was), thenthe way to do it again is already spelled out. No need to reinvent a way forward.
Posted by: troyriser at September 03, 2015 12:28 PM (Bvf82)
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2015 12:28 PM (zt+N6)
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I can't imagine it will not be appealed. These decisions are much bigger than Tom Brady and the Patriots.
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 12:28 PM (gmeXX)
It was back when people drove without seat-belts, smoked in buildings, and had the feeling they were free.
Posted by: Feh at September 03, 2015 12:28 PM (FHaO9)
Posted by: Hank at September 03, 2015 12:28 PM (xK8RR)
Posted by: douger at September 03, 2015 12:28 PM (eM6QK)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang!
dude, phrasing
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 03, 2015 12:29 PM (JmGFJ)
You think this is bad wait.
If Trump survives as the clear front runner into the Winter, Katie bar the door, it's going to get ugly.
Posted by: Kreplach at September 03, 2015 12:29 PM (eDW1j)
Even the Democrats are unlikely to nominate a felon or at least someone under felony indictment, though it would certainly one-up Bill if she then won. First husband-and-wife felon Presidents.
Trump's a weathervane and a crony capitalist, but I really don't think he's out there to put Bernie Sanders or Fauxcahontas in the White House.
Posted by: The Devoceleraptor at September 03, 2015 12:29 PM (o+SC1)
No other candidate is being required to sign?
Will Priebus sign that RNC will support Trump if he wins?
What does Lisa Murkowski think?
Posted by: blaster at September 03, 2015 12:29 PM (2Ocf1)
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hers of course, stays the same if you're face up or face down/
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at September 03, 2015 12:29 PM (/eTPT)
Posted by: ginaswo at September 03, 2015 12:29 PM (qxNrP)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 03, 2015 12:24 PM (gf8BH)
No proof? What about year of text messages saying "I'm the deflator" and "tell Tom If I don't get the signed shoes then the ball will feel like a rugby ball" The video of the equipment manager taking the balls into the bathroom (only place without a camera). Then Mr Bundchen not cooperating and physically destroying his phone. (and don't tell me he does this with all of his old phones because that has already been proven false)
Posted by: Timon at September 03, 2015 12:30 PM (ZDJwC)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 03, 2015 12:30 PM (i23N/)
Posted by: Steven Tyler at September 03, 2015 12:30 PM (OiFtZ)
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 03, 2015 12:30 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at September 03, 2015 12:30 PM (62PM3)
Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2015 12:30 PM (wyNrR)
Posted by: Giorgio A. Tsoukalos at September 03, 2015 12:30 PM (ZxVJD)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 03, 2015 12:30 PM (b/6cr)
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 12:24 PM (gmeXX)"
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What do you base that on? Again, the judge did not rule on Brady's innocence or guilt, but on Goodell's arbitrary shenanigans.
Posted by: NotCoach at September 03, 2015 12:30 PM (rsudF)
Posted by: The Devoceleraptor at September 03, 2015 12:30 PM (o+SC1)
Reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where George tells his future bride he wants her to sign a prenuptial agreement. She laughs in his face and says, 'Sure, I'll sign.'
Posted by: se pa moron at September 03, 2015 12:30 PM (sI4OA)
The dead can afford to be generous.
Posted by: DaveA at September 03, 2015 12:31 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 03, 2015 12:31 PM (gyKtp)
Posted by: Auntie Doodles at September 03, 2015 12:31 PM (teYv/)
Posted by: maddogg at September 03, 2015 12:31 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: Garrett at September 03, 2015 12:21 PM (TzlU
And you know this because . . ?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 03, 2015 12:31 PM (x3GpS)
Nah...
he's got lunch or something.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 03, 2015 12:13 PM (9aeyG)
If he did, he would make it a reality show and have us pay him for privilege of watching.
Trump gotta Trump!
Posted by: Lea at September 03, 2015 12:32 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: Timon at September 03, 2015 12:25 PM (ZDJwC)"
_________________________________________________
Actually I'm a Lions lover. I just think the whole deflategate affair is rather amusing.
Posted by: NotCoach at September 03, 2015 12:32 PM (rsudF)
In the 2012 Presidential Primary in Virginia, the VAGOP was trying to get voters to sign something similar before they could vote...ostensibly to keep those icky Ronulans in line.
Sigh. Any party that demands fealty like that is piece of crap.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at September 03, 2015 12:32 PM (PFy0L)
assessment.The figure is eight times as big as the previous best
estimate, which counted perhaps 400 billion at most.
... billions and billions gives you trillions
Posted by: Carl Sagan at September 03, 2015 12:32 PM (e8kgV)
http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Aberrant-Art-Barry-Kite-3.jpg
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 03, 2015 12:32 PM (4nG/u)
Unfvckingreal.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 03, 2015 12:32 PM (Wckf4)
He's gained as long as he was opposed by everyone in power. He gains as long as he tears down [ in the public eye ] so that he can rise to fill a void.
Its partly a matter of time horizons - Trump has the money to Not Care and can keep up f'ing with them all day every day while the GOPe has until ah, lets say the SC primary. Now, Trump has to care and has thus shrunk his horizons.
Posted by: Bigby's Wriggly Fingers at September 03, 2015 12:32 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 03, 2015 12:33 PM (b/6cr)
Texts from ballboys is evidence. There is lots and lots of evidence.
It may not be sufficient for you, but there is evidence.
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 12:26 PM (gmeXX)
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The NFL explicitly told Brady they did **NOT** need his cell phone. He gave them the text messages that were asked of him. He fully co-operated. The evidence was asked for and received by the NFL.
And since the evidence ended up not actually proving anything, the NFL decided to act like a child.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at September 03, 2015 12:33 PM (0LHZx)
These loyalty pledges and "rules" and "sore loser" agreements only go one way
Posted by: mynewhandle
I agree that there should have been a real punishment for her, especially since it could have put a Democrat in that seat. I think the concern was she would caucus with the Democrats if she wasn't given her way and they would make her the same offer.
Regardless, I still support sore loser laws and want them applied to either wing of the party.
The idea of "either I win or nobody wins" is destructive and childish. I would say the same thing if any candidate did it on either wing of the Party because at that point it's just about sour grapes.
Posted by: Coolio at September 03, 2015 12:33 PM (yrBta)
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He did not have authority to overturn an arbitration hearing that the NFLPA collectively bargained for.
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 12:33 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Rick Wilson, GOP Strategist at September 03, 2015 12:33 PM (OD2ni)
"We don't want to upset moderate voters"
"Hispanic voters are a growing demographic and we need to pander to them"
"We can't do anything about funding Planned Parenthood because that would risk shutting down the government"
"We can't do anything even with House and Senate majorities because we don't have the White House"
"Obamacare is here to stay but we managed to get nice loopholes for major corporations"
What they do say is...
"We need your $$ to stop Obamacare! We need your money to stop illegal immigration!! We need your $$ because HILLARY!!"
Posted by: kbdabear at September 03, 2015 12:33 PM (GrXXa)
You know what I'd love to see? Trump publicly announce that he'll buy them and make them public, and dare anyone to get into a bidding war with him.
That would be a loyalty oath I'd like to see him make. Oh, yeah.
Posted by: Qoheleth at September 03, 2015 12:33 PM (iIzG7)
Tusk, tusk.
Posted by: Brother Cavil
_____________________________________
Oh well.
Posted by: Countrysquire, feeling reasonably fresh down there at September 03, 2015 12:33 PM (eEBON)
Reince:
"I want you to join my Special People's Club."
Donald
"Do you know what 'special' means? 'Special' means retarded!"
The ending just changes and he joins.
Posted by: Ted Solondz at September 03, 2015 12:33 PM (6gR7l)
That's what I don't get...has the GOP forgotten its own history, or have they simply learned the wrong lessons?
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 03, 2015 12:33 PM (9krrF)
That the Courts are even involved in this show that THEY are out of control.
The Courts just told Millions of kids, its OK to cheat, as long as you have a good lawyer...
Posted by: BB Wolf at September 03, 2015 12:34 PM (qh617)
Really? Because that happened in Alaska, and I don't remember GOPe apologists running out to demand Murkowski not run. And I still don't see anyone demanding she resign.
And she kept her seniority and committee positions even though she ran as an independent and is not a Republican.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 03, 2015 12:17 PM (AkOaV)
The current AK gov Bill Walker pulled a similar ratfucking of Palin's successor, after many years of being GOP, merging his campaign with the Donk candidate and running as an independent.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 03, 2015 12:34 PM (1QsMy)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 03, 2015 12:34 PM (4nG/u)
Posted by: Garrett at September 03, 2015 12:21 PM (TzlU
And you know this because . . ?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 03, 2015 12:31 PM (x3GpS)
Well I don't know about the "being raped" part. But South Park definitely compared her to a goat.
And there's the Bob and Tom bit about Sing Like Stevie Nicks by wearing nose plugs and holding a vibrator against your throat while you sing.
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2015 12:34 PM (zt+N6)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 03, 2015 12:19 PM (zF6Iw)
*fapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfap*
Ooo-fuckin'-rah....
*fapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfap*
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at September 03, 2015 12:34 PM (yMVjf)
I can give you your choice of 20 pieces of dog shit, but you're still eating shit.
Posted by: Lauren at September 03, 2015 12:34 PM (GZ6Pf)
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 12:34 PM (gmeXX)
Would love that, too, except you know he would be prosecuted for possessing classified docs.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 03, 2015 12:34 PM (NOIQH)
You are conflating the Airplane with the Starship.
Once Jorma left, there was no Airplane.
Posted by: Garrett at September 03, 2015 12:34 PM (TzlU8)
Yeah, okay, Belichick and crew are utterly NASCAResque (well, historical Smokey Yunick-era NASCAR, not the current corporate spec-car operation) in their approach to the rule book, but he makes a good case that the Cheatriots got hung up by the NFL's cheap gauges and sloppy procedures this time.
Posted by: The Devoceleraptor at September 03, 2015 12:35 PM (o+SC1)
No other candidate is being required to sign?
Posted by: blaster
Early reports yesterday were that everybody was sent The Oath and two non-Trumps had agreed to sign.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 03, 2015 12:35 PM (kdS6q)
...see that's the trouble with Fleetwood Mac, not enough material to run with for decent Horde!memes. Most infuriating, it is.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 03, 2015 12:35 PM (9krrF)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 03, 2015 12:35 PM (i23N/)
Sigh. Any party that demands fealty like that is piece of crap.
Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at September 03, 2015 12:32 PM (PFy0L)
They should ask Bob Bolling what he thinks about it.
His holding out til the last possible minute on whether he was going to go third party or not played a big role in Cuccinelli's loss.
GOP loyalty only works one way.
Posted by: blaster at September 03, 2015 12:35 PM (2Ocf1)
Posted by: maddogg at September 03, 2015 12:35 PM (xWW96)
Now that would be entertainment.
Posted by: Lauren at September 03, 2015 12:35 PM (GZ6Pf)
________________________
I think Brady did it, it's pretty obvious, but I don't blame him at all for not handing over the cell phone as that would be leaked in the tabloids over night.
I see it more as a ruling against the NFL having a kangaroo court than I do with Brady being innocent.
Posted by: McAdams at September 03, 2015 12:35 PM (nq/J2)
Posted by: Mr. FeverHead at September 03, 2015 12:36 PM (j1Wvr)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 03, 2015 12:36 PM (i23N/)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 03, 2015 12:35 PM (kdS6q)
Only two out of the hundred or so candidates?
Interesting
Posted by: blaster at September 03, 2015 12:36 PM (2Ocf1)
Posted by: peter green at September 03, 2015 12:36 PM (PIc4D)
Posted by: Timon at September 03, 2015 12:30 PM (ZDJwC)
Yeah that's right NO PROOF. No proof he ever told anyone to deflate the balls. The balls in the NFL have parameters of where they must be:
The ball shall be made up of an inflated (12 1/2 to 13 1/2 pounds) urethane bladder enclosed in a pebble grained, leather case (natural tan color) without corrugations of any kind. It shall have the form of a prolate spheroid and the size and weight shall be: long axis, 11 to 11 1/4 inches; long circumference, 28 to 28 1/2 inches; short circumference, 21 to 21 1/4 inches; weight, 14 to 15 ounces.
There is not rule saying a QB can't say he likes the balls near the bottom or top end of that range.
And if the balls were under inflated in the first half but properly inflated in the 2nd half, how come Brady's stats were better in the 2nd half? Where is the cause and effect?
See even with Fredo in the White House, this is still a Country of Laws and fair trials and dictitorial rulings. At least sometimes
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 03, 2015 12:36 PM (gf8BH)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 03, 2015 12:36 PM (4nG/u)
No more. Hell hath no fury....
Posted by: kathysaysso at September 03, 2015 12:36 PM (fMQoG)
Posted by: Coolio
Volunteering support to party that actively hates you is mental illness.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 03, 2015 12:36 PM (JmGFJ)
Posted by: Auntie Doodles at September 03, 2015 12:31 PM (teYv/)
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Do you have a link to the response? There was some discussion yesterday about Jabbar the Muslim wife beater but I was clueless about the background
Posted by: L, Elle at September 03, 2015 12:37 PM (b/6cr)
Posted by: The Devoceleraptor at September 03, 2015 12:37 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: USA at September 03, 2015 12:37 PM (tfM+W)
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Oh I don't blame him either. Its looking like a smart move too. But it is evidence that he did something wrong, that he didn't want the NFL to see it, and the trier of fact (Goodell) is free to draw whatever conclusion he wants from it.
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 12:37 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 03, 2015 12:37 PM (i23N/)
Posted by: Cecil at September 03, 2015 12:38 PM (E5UB0)
Ace, what did you do to rdBrewer??
Posted by: L, Elle at September 03, 2015 12:39 PM (b/6cr)
Haven't even read this yet and I'm laughing.
Well, it is kinda like a Friday for some taking along holiday weekend.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 03, 2015 12:39 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: Feh at September 03, 2015 12:39 PM (FHaO9)
Trump singlehandedly made the front runner a Spanish speaking little baby. Fucking unbelievable.
Posted by: prescient11 at September 03, 2015 12:39 PM (q5APL)
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at September 03, 2015 12:40 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Ty Angur at September 03, 2015 12:40 PM (5sW5N)
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 12:37 PM (gmeXX)
And not allowing Brady to see the reports he was being convicted on or question the NFL witnesses balances that all out or more. The NFL should clean up their own act first before they start acting like all knowing and all powerful G-Ds
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 03, 2015 12:40 PM (gf8BH)
smart move too. But it is evidence that he did something wrong, that he
didn't want the NFL to see it, and the trier of fact (Goodell) is free
to draw whatever conclusion he wants from it.
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 12:37 PM (gmeXX)
Really? So it's the "You'll let us search and if you don't that means you have something to hide" argument? How about people start realizing that your private stuff is nobody else's fucking business! And you don't have to PROVE your innocence in this country (unless it's traffic court).
Posted by: kathysaysso at September 03, 2015 12:40 PM (fMQoG)
So....this treasure trove the hacker is selling may have some very interesting, not yet retrieved by FBI correspondence, and the stuff she didn't sent to a State Dept. employee should be enlightening...Just the Blumenthal stuff has shown all of her off the books activities in Libya,
Posted by: Lizzy at September 03, 2015 12:40 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 03, 2015 12:40 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 03, 2015 12:40 PM (VLTL9)
Once Jorma left, there was no Airplane.
Posted by: Garrett at September 03, 2015 12:34 PM (TzlU
That and Grace Slick turning from a hot rock chick into a chubby middle aged pop singer
Posted by: kbdabear at September 03, 2015 12:40 PM (GrXXa)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 03, 2015 12:40 PM (kdS6q)
What I don't get is why would the NFL want to destroy Brady? At the end
of the day it's all about the Benjamins. And Brady is a money maker. Why
go about trying to hurt his image? How does the NFL benefit in the long
run by having one of the - if not the - best QB's reputation destroyed.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at September 03, 2015 12:40 PM (0LHZx)
I think it was a personal vendetta of Goodell's.
Posted by: kathysaysso at September 03, 2015 12:40 PM (fMQoG)
Posted by: Garrett at September 03, 2015 12:41 PM (TzlU8)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette
Yep. I'll be fishing tomorrow.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2015 12:41 PM (wyNrR)
Posted by: maddogg at September 03, 2015 12:41 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 03, 2015 12:41 PM (4nG/u)
Posted by: Feh at September 03, 2015 12:39 PM (FHaO9)
So she's going to be covered in sweet and sour sauce?
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2015 12:41 PM (zt+N6)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 03, 2015 12:41 PM (JmGFJ)
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My guess is it is not about destroying Brady, but the other 31 teams believe that the Patriots as an organization take too many liberties with the rules and instructed Goodell to be hard on them.
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 12:41 PM (gmeXX)
^^^this^^^. Bathing at Baxter's, Volunteers, all masterpieces.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 03, 2015 12:41 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: weft cut-loop
I volunteer for candidates I want to win and I don't vote a straight Republican ticket.
Posted by: Coolio at September 03, 2015 12:41 PM (yrBta)
Posted by: kathysaysso at September 03, 2015 12:40 PM (fMQoG)
Hells to the yes, girl!
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at September 03, 2015 12:41 PM (2Ocf1)
if Trump got nothing from them that makes his run easier, his position stronger, etc-
and doesn't have an escape clause for him
then he's not the guy I thought he was.
A Loyalty Oath is sooooo spectacularly lame, I can't imagine the why of signing one unless you got something really good in exchange.
Plus, a little more loyalty oath theater on Trump's part would have helped him quite a bit-
Imagine if the loyalty oath question comes up again and instead-
Trump turns it around on the GOPe/Boehner/Turtle and crew-
and questions their loyalty to their voters then asks them rhetorically why they are supporting Obama's agenda-
when the American Voters put them in office to stop Obama.
A good barnburner of a speech on that topic might win him the nomination right then and there.
This is the first time I think Trump just might've been outsmarted.
And by the retards of the GOPe!
How pitiful is that?
Posted by: naturalfake at September 03, 2015 12:41 PM (0cMkb)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 03, 2015 12:42 PM (b/6cr)
well, if he was cheating the whole time, he wasn't "the best," was he
Posted by: Feh at September 03, 2015 12:42 PM (FHaO9)
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at September 03, 2015 12:42 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 03, 2015 12:42 PM (9aeyG)
Posted by: no good deed at September 03, 2015 12:42 PM (GgxVX)
Posted by: The Burning Times at September 03, 2015 12:42 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 03, 2015 12:42 PM (4nG/u)
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You'r confusing criminal v. civil. This was not a criminal trial. This was akin to a civil dispute. The something to hide argument is valid in a civil dispute.
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 12:43 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Feh at September 03, 2015 12:42 PM (FHaO9)
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You do know he played better the second half of that game than the first half right? And if I'm not mistaken he did win the Super Bowl too, post deflation.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at September 03, 2015 12:43 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 03, 2015 12:43 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 12:41 PM (gmeXX)
You mean Goodell, who was spending a lot of his free time hanging out on Bob Kraft's yacht.
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2015 12:43 PM (zt+N6)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 03, 2015 12:43 PM (2lndx)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 03, 2015 12:43 PM (i23N/)
Posted by: Feh at September 03, 2015 12:43 PM (FHaO9)
Brady gave them the tweets/emails they asked for. He routinely destroyed his phones because the number became known.
His lawyer knew all this and approved it.
There was no "Proof" or evidence only innuendo and speculation.
There may have been underinflation but no proof Brady was in on it or knew of it.
Besides that the penalty was bogus as the Judge just showed.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 03, 2015 12:44 PM (x3GpS)
Not criminally, but often civilly, and quite frequently in private(ish) organizations. This was an NFL internal review, not a criminal court proceeding.
Even in criminal court, though, spoliation is A Big Deal. Destroying evidence rather than turning it over will get you (well, will get most people) brought up on Obstruction of Justice charges, at minimum. In civil court, spoliation is (as I understand, IANAL, yadda, yadda) essentially an admission of guilt.
Rather than turn over his phone, Brady destroyed it. His reasoning doesn't matter.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 03, 2015 12:45 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: NotCoach at September 03, 2015 12:32 PM (rsudF)
I think that the NFL is basically bullshit now with the arbitrary fines, suspensions, etc but that is what the idiots running the NFLPA agreed to and go the players to agree to. The judge basically said that there is already a fine in place for tampering with equipment and the 4 games is not "fair" or in the CBA. Now, as I said before, you can't account for every single possible infraction. Brady had the "deflator" underinflate the balls after the ref checked them, thus gaining a competitive edge in every game for at least the past year (check their otherworldy, statistically impossible fumble stats). And this judge called that "tampering with equipment." So, for example, Brady could tell the communications guy not to cut his mike off in his helmet when he is supposed to or screw with the other teams communication, thus gaining a competitive advantage and that is also "equipment tampering" The commissioner needs latitude and will get it when this is appealed.
Posted by: Timon at September 03, 2015 12:45 PM (ZDJwC)
#IPledgeToTrustTheGOP
Bwahahahahaha!
Oh, what the GOPe can learn from those tweets. They probably think we all are crazy.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 03, 2015 12:45 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: SH
Well, the judge basically said he's not allowed to do that.
If your boss called you in and said he thinks you are working with a competitor and demands your personal cell phone and you refuse, should he be allowed to fire you over that or take away several paychecks? We're talking about a lot of money here.
The NFL has a contract with the players union about how matters like this should be dealt with , and the judge said they didn't uphold their end. Which I agree with.
Posted by: McAdams at September 03, 2015 12:45 PM (nq/J2)
"People living in the Arctic must be prepared to face with a polar bear," researcher Viktor Nikiforov said in a statement. "However, the station staff have no weapons. In addition, employees are not provided with stripping, and the station area is not fenced."
Posted by: #PolarBearLivesMatter at September 03, 2015 12:45 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: @votermom at September 03, 2015 12:45 PM (cbfNE)
https://youtu.be/ICZ06gYpu6w
(h/t Major League)
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 03, 2015 12:45 PM (JO9+V)
Remember that in 2012, Romney's campaign chief in Virginia was also high in the state government, and kept Newt and Perry off the Virginia Ballot. Perry was already doing poorly, but was polling better than Romney in that state. Gingrich would have won that state, becoming a much more formidable opponent as the state has a lot of delegates.
Their basis for pulling those two off the ballot was later ruled unconstitutional, but there were no damages or penalties.
Unfortunately, this is what the GOP is about. You don't even get a vote if they are worried enough. I don't like Trump, but I understand why a protest candidate is doing well right now.
Posted by: Dustin at September 03, 2015 12:45 PM (a7sQX)
Posted by: buzzsaw90 at September 03, 2015 12:46 PM (/eTPT)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 03, 2015 12:46 PM (b/6cr)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 03, 2015 12:46 PM (i23N/)
Posted by: Anna Puma
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I've been listening to Stevie Ray Vaughan ever since L'Elle mentioned it...
Posted by: Chi at September 03, 2015 12:46 PM (L2Ssy)
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This has nothing to do with Brady (for me). I think he is one of the best (if not the best - though I still rate Montana first) of all time. This doesn't change anything for me on that.
Do I expect him to hand over his cell phone? No - that is his perogative. But I can conclude that he isn't handing them over because he has something to hide. Isn't that what we are doing with Hillary?
Perhaps he didn't have anything to hide but just didn't want to allow the NFL to go searching. Again, fine his perogative. But considering that there were texts from others that did amount to some proof, I can reasonsably conclude that he may have sent texts that would have shown he ordered the deflate (or at least had clear knowledge of it).
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 12:46 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 03, 2015 12:47 PM (i23N/)
Posted by: Dirty Randy at September 03, 2015 12:47 PM (jjaLl)
Posted by: Feh at September 03, 2015 12:47 PM (FHaO9)
Posted by: Feh at September 03, 2015 12:42 PM (FHaO9)
I don't think he's the best anyways. Two Words. Matt Cassel. 11-5 season that any other year probably would have been assured a playoff spot. And then he goes on to other teams and is mediocre. To me it looks like its much more about the system and the coaching than the actual quarterback. So Brady's certainly good, but even mediocre QB Matt Cassel looked good when plugged into that offense.
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2015 12:48 PM (zt+N6)
If your boss called you in and said he thinks you are working with a competitor and demands your personal cell phone and you refuse, should he be allowed to fire you over that or take away several paychecks? We're talking about a lot of money here.
The NFL has a contract with the players union about how matters like this should be dealt with , and the judge said they didn't uphold their end. Which I agree with.
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No the judge did not say that. And yes, if you collectively bargained to give your boss that right, then yes he may be allowed to fire you or withhold pay.
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 12:48 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Nobody cares at September 03, 2015 12:48 PM (SNqwm)
Sweet and sour pork? Sweet and sour porked?
Posted by: Qoheleth at September 03, 2015 12:48 PM (iIzG7)
"We are grateful to Judge Berman for hearing this matter, but respectfully disagree with today's decision," Goodell said. "We will appeal today's ruling in order to uphold the collectively bargained responsibility to protect the integrity of the game. The commissioner's responsibility to secure the competitive fairness of our game is a paramount principle, and the league and our 32 clubs will continue to pursue a path to that end. While the legal phase of this process continues, we look forward to focusing on football and the opening of the regular season."
Posted by: wrg500 at September 03, 2015 12:48 PM (kQBSd)
The thing about Scott Walker--and I say this as someone for whom he is in the top three, occasionally top two--is that he was a great compromise between the base and the establishment. But as long as everyone (and I am mainly looking at the establishment) wants to go extreme, Walker isn't going to stand out in the primaries.
I do think he's trying to pick up his game, but I also think he needs to practice more in front of the mirror. I just watched his Citadel Speech. He tried to act more forceful, but (to me) sounded forced. And despite reading from teleprompters screwed up a lot of words.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 03, 2015 12:49 PM (2lndx)
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Please translate. Mange is eat, maybe? And dauphin maybe refers to the prince waiting to be king???
Ace????
Posted by: L, Elle at September 03, 2015 12:49 PM (b/6cr)
That's not what's in the agreement.
Posted by: McAdams at September 03, 2015 12:49 PM (nq/J2)
Err... yes? Because I'm his employee, not the other way around. He should be able to fire me for any reason, or no reason at all. He *certainly* should be able to fire me if he believes I'm conducting industrial espionage, even if he can't "prove" it.
Because we're both private parties having a civil dispute; he is not the government accusing me of a crime.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 03, 2015 12:49 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Garrett at September 03, 2015 12:49 PM (TzlU8)
Posted by: Mr. FeverHead at September 03, 2015 12:49 PM (j1Wvr)
Posted by: Feh at September 03, 2015 12:49 PM (FHaO9)
But inside she had needs and she was able to bully Kermit into providing them.
Good for Kermit for moving on. This new one looks more fun and sexier. And she's really not that skinny at all.
*what am I doing, I'm talking about a freaking puppet storyline as if it was real life*
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 03, 2015 12:50 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: maddogg at September 03, 2015 12:50 PM (xWW96)
That's not what's in the agreement.
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My understanding is that the NFLPA did give the Commissioner that power. There is no amending that needs to be done, they already gave the commish that power. Stupidly in my opinion.
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 12:50 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 03, 2015 12:36 PM (gf8BH)
This is not about the law or fair trials. It is what is in the CBA. The teams, all except one, voted to give Gooddell all of this power when it comes to fines and suspensions! Period. This will be overturned because the judge deemed what was "fair" not what was in the CBA.
Posted by: Timon at September 03, 2015 12:50 PM (ZDJwC)
Posted by: Feh at September 03, 2015 12:51 PM (FHaO9)
Hey Goddell, for "The Integrity" of the game why dont' you first go after all the felons and wife beaters on your league first. Just a suggestion
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 03, 2015 12:51 PM (gf8BH)
Posted by: Feh at September 03, 2015 12:51 PM (FHaO9)
Posted by: GBruno at September 03, 2015 12:52 PM (u49WF)
get a court order and just call up ATT
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My understanding is that phone companies do not have actual text messages after a certain time (Just phone numbers).
Why would a judge give such an order?
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 12:52 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at September 03, 2015 12:10 PM (9krrF)
I would use my power for good.
Yes, yes, *my* good is *a* good.
Plus I'm totes merciful! I haven't flamethrowed anyone in like whole minutes.
Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at September 03, 2015 12:52 PM (mf5HN)
He's gone whole hog, or hole hog, as it were.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 03, 2015 12:52 PM (E5UB0)
The Kermit the Frog storyline has more appeal that most anything else.
Lauren, I see you got your first review. Congrats!
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 03, 2015 12:52 PM (4nG/u)
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That's acceptable. But what about White Rabbit. I never had a problem with acid though I admit to tripping on it once and having it slipped in a drink in college. Once was enough and the drugging incident turned out very bad BC I nearly lost my mind and all, but so still like White Rabbit
Posted by: L, Elle at September 03, 2015 12:53 PM (b/6cr)
all those shows try to capture where America is at
it's fine to talk about tv shows like that
politics is downstream from culture
Posted by: Feh at September 03, 2015 12:53 PM (FHaO9)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 03, 2015 12:53 PM (i23N/)
Posted by: Ken in NH at September 03, 2015 12:53 PM (qFlZT)
In 2014 I gave $0 and did nothing to help. I still voted for the GOP, although I had to force myself to do it.
In 2016, I'll vote for Trump, I'll vote for Cruz. If Jeb or Kasich is the nominee, I will donate to the Hillary campaign.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at September 03, 2015 12:08 PM (0LHZx)
Scares the hell out of me when I agree with this guy.
Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at September 03, 2015 12:53 PM (JOG+K)
____________________
I remember Newt and Perry simply being inept campaigns and were unable to secure the signatures.
You can argue the threshold was unreasonably high, but it had been there for a while and even Ron Paul qualified.
Posted by: Coolio at September 03, 2015 12:53 PM (yrBta)
What remote? The one for the shock collar? Or the explosive collars?
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 03, 2015 12:53 PM (4nG/u)
Maybe not today...but it is coming. He can always tear it up if those goof balls in Virginia or South Carolina try to keep him out, or go against the voters will.
Posted by: William Eaton at September 03, 2015 12:53 PM (q52Ma)
Posted by: Feh at September 03, 2015 12:53 PM (FHaO9)
Trump doesn't need one in my mind. IF the GOP plays dirty pool, THEN the "contract" is deemed invalid. I'd accept that defense by Trump.
If the GOP goes against the will of the grassroots and designs ways to exclude the people's choice (whoever it is, but we know this is actually designed for Trump), then I'll go with whoever (Trump) and any third-party bid. I refuse to further corruption anymore from those who claim to represent me.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 03, 2015 12:53 PM (1CroS)
Hey Goddell, for "The Integrity" of the game why dont' you first go after all the felons and wife beaters on your league first. Just a suggestion
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I have never really understood why the NFL decided to be a parallel court system. Each team should deal with their players as they see fit.
At least this issue is an on-field issue.
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 12:54 PM (gmeXX)
This is not about the law or fair trials. It is what is in the CBA. The teams, all except one, voted to give Gooddell all of this power when it comes to fines and suspensions! Period. This will be overturned because the judge deemed what was "fair" not what was in the CBA.
Posted by: Timon at September 03, 2015 12:50 PM (ZDJwC)
The Judge does not agree that CBA gives the Commish unilateral powers to circumvent basic American Jurisprudence or common sense. Plenty of "Agreements" by both private and public entities are ruled illegal or out of bounds by American Courts.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 03, 2015 12:54 PM (gf8BH)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 03, 2015 12:54 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: Chi at September 03, 2015 12:46 PM (L2Ssy)
Coudn't Stand the
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 03, 2015 12:54 PM (qCMvj)
I look forward to the Lawsuits from the people who BET on those games, and lost...
There have been many lawsuits based on rigged games, where the loser (including the house) won....
Because those allegations can bring forth discovery... a power Goodell did not have...
Posted by: BB Wolf at September 03, 2015 12:54 PM (qh617)
Trump won't be president unless a good number of non republicans vote for him. Those people don't vote in the primaries. However, if they KNOW in advance they won't get the chance to vote for trump unless they vote in the primary, they will be motivated to vote in the primary.
Expect higher than normal turnout in the primaries now.
Trump/Stone know what they are doing. They had one shot and getting new republicans to vote in the primary aint an easy get. This is the best way to do it.
I'm somewhat impressed.
Posted by: simplemind at September 03, 2015 12:54 PM (5vV+V)
Posted by: Rick554 at September 03, 2015 12:54 PM (p/025)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 03, 2015 12:55 PM (gf8BH)
Posted by: Stacks of loaded magazines at September 03, 2015 12:55 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2015 12:04 PM (wyNrR)
Extreme butthurt from Reince and his buddies.
::pause::
Not really seeing the downside here.
Posted by: physics geek at September 03, 2015 12:55 PM (MT22W)
we part ways there
I'll just stay home
D's will never get any support, real or figurative, from me
Posted by: Feh at September 03, 2015 12:55 PM (FHaO9)
Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at September 03, 2015 12:53 PM (JOG+K)
Even a blind dead Moo finds a tiny bit of truth now and then.
but it is unnerving.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 03, 2015 12:55 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: kathysaysso at September 03, 2015 12:56 PM (fMQoG)
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They are. And they are often appealed. As this one will be. Who knows how it will be decided. If this was baseball, I'd bet on them winning the legal argument in the end. MLB seems to have a better track record in the courts than the NFL.
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 12:56 PM (gmeXX)
Because we're both private parties having a civil dispute; he is not the government accusing me of a crime.
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And you wouldn't take your company to court over that?
The idea that your employer gets carte blanche access to root around your personal life or you'll get paychecks taken away is absurd. I know I wouldn't tolerate that.
Posted by: McAdams at September 03, 2015 12:56 PM (nq/J2)
also think he needs to practice more in front of the mirror. I just
watched his Citadel Speech. He tried to act more forceful, but (to me)
sounded forced. And despite reading from teleprompters screwed up a lot
of words.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair
I agree with this, but he's just not good at speaking animatedly or concisely. His attempts to up his game come across as forced and artificial, like he's reading a talking point, and when the instructions say to pound the table, he robotically does it. Also, no amount of coaching will make him eloquent or good at thinking on his feet. I was an early supporter, and hoped he'd get better at his shortcomings, but I just don't think it's going to happen. Pity.
Posted by: pep at September 03, 2015 12:56 PM (GMG6W)
The special, VICE Special Report: Fixing The System will air Sunday, Sept. 27, and will include Obama's tour in July of the Federal Correctional Institution in El Reno, Okla.
It was the first time a sitting president has ever visited a federal prison.
Obama will unveil the newest reform, the Oval Prison Cell
Hillary Clinton could not be reached for comment.
Posted by: Bernie Madoff at September 03, 2015 12:56 PM (e8kgV)
Oh ok. So let's just assume that they actually did cheat, which these excuses are about. So its ok to attempt to cheat if it doesn't give you an advantage? Its ok to cheat if you are blowing them out of the water? So apparently if you cheat and lose you should suffer no punishment. And if you cheat and blow them away you should also suffer no punishment. So where is that sweet spot where cheating is actually wrong and needs to be punished? If you win by over 2 touchdowns is that all cool or something?
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2015 12:56 PM (zt+N6)
From October 24th last year, texts between the equipment guys who were fired.
Jastremski: I have a big needle for u this week
McNally: Better be surrounded by cash and newkicks....or its a rugby sunday
McNally: F--- tom
Jastremski: Maybe u will have some nice size 11s in ur locker
McNally: Tom must really be working your balls hard this week
Posted by: Timon at September 03, 2015 12:56 PM (ZDJwC)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 03, 2015 12:57 PM (pTY38)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 03, 2015 12:57 PM (i23N/)
369 they don't need the phone to get his text records
get a court order and just call up ATT
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My understanding is that phone companies do not have actual text messages after a certain time (Just phone numbers).
Why would a judge give such an order?
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 12:52 PM (gmeXX)
Fun part is that Goodell has no standing for a lawsuit.... but a Better who lost? Would...
Posted by: BB Wolf at September 03, 2015 12:57 PM (qh617)
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No one is saying that.
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 12:57 PM (gmeXX)
Besides they know better than to call ME anymore. Heh.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 03, 2015 12:58 PM (x3GpS)
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You don't come here for the hunting, do you?
Posted by: Ravaging Bear in the Woods at September 03, 2015 12:58 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 03, 2015 12:58 PM (i23N/)
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BC I can't read anymore bc I have some kind of ADD thing going on. I just read Jabberwocky and watch the Tim Burton Alice movie instead. I barely have the attention span to get through a movie but that one was really good
Posted by: L, Elle at September 03, 2015 12:58 PM (b/6cr)
From October 24th last year, texts between the equipment guys who were fired.
Jastremski: I have a big needle for u this week
McNally: Better be surrounded by cash and newkicks....or its a rugby sunday
McNally: F--- tom
Jastremski: Maybe u will have some nice size 11s in ur locker
McNally: Tom must really be working your balls hard this week
Posted by: Timon at September 03, 2015 12:56 PM (ZDJwC)
And that proves what, other than the equipment guys are idiots?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 03, 2015 12:58 PM (gf8BH)
Posted by: Syme at September 03, 2015 12:58 PM (6oO1g)
Posted by: Feh at September 03, 2015 12:58 PM (FHaO9)
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Heh. Only at the HQ...
Oh - and Adele. Been listening to Adele (sue me, haters) since yesterday because I heard a new album may drop soon.
Can you believe SMFH didn't know who she was?
Posted by: Chi at September 03, 2015 12:59 PM (L2Ssy)
http://goo.gl/Vk3zpX
Posted by: maddogg at September 03, 2015 12:59 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: Boss Moss
Glory to the Banhammer of Righteousness! May it not fall upon heads when wielded by The Merciful Ewok!
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 03, 2015 12:59 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 03, 2015 12:59 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 03, 2015 12:55 PM (gf8BH)
The CBA gives Gooddell the power. It also allows him to hear the appeals. The NFLPA head is an idiot but it is what he agreed to. The judge is wrong. This isn't about the law it is about what the players agreed to.
Posted by: Timon at September 03, 2015 12:59 PM (ZDJwC)
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It doesn't have to prove anything. It is evidence. The question is is it more probable than not that Tom Brady knew his footballs were being underinflated. This is evidence. This on its own probably would not lead me to conclude yes. But there is other evidence.
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 01:00 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 03, 2015 01:00 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2015 12:04 PM (wyNrR)
A very strongly worded letter.
Posted by: Mr. FeverHead at September 03, 2015 01:00 PM (j1Wvr)
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That's pretty much how I see it.
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 01:01 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Coolio at September 03, 2015 12:53 PM (yrBta)
So the only two people that were able to get on the ballot were the two that had run in 2008.
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2015 01:01 PM (zt+N6)
Even a blind dead Moo finds a tiny bit of truth now and then.
but it is unnerving.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 03, 2015 12:55 PM (x3GpS)
Thanks, I needed that. :-)
Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at September 03, 2015 01:01 PM (JOG+K)
Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at September 03, 2015 12:53 PM (JOG+K)
I'm annoyed to find myself in the same boat. Even Mr. Moo Moo can be a political ally.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 03, 2015 01:01 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: maddogg at September 03, 2015 01:01 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: McAdams
Happens everyday. Employers monitor tweeter accts, facebook, all types of "social media and fire people on a regular basis for comments made.
Posted by: wrg500 at September 03, 2015 01:01 PM (kQBSd)
Saggy balls did not enable Tom Brady to kill the Colts 45-7, it was his arm.
Anyone who knowingly betted against the Pats in the playoffs deserves to have their money taken from them. There are two things any bookie worth his salt will tell you, don't bet against the
Pats in the playoffs and absolutely do not bet on the Cowboys no matter how good they look on paper.
Posted by: Arson Wells at September 03, 2015 01:01 PM (UnJ7w)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 03, 2015 01:01 PM (b/6cr)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 03, 2015 01:02 PM (i23N/)
practice more in front of the mirror. I just watched his Citadel
Speech. He tried to act more forceful, but (to me) sounded forced. And
despite reading from teleprompters screwed up a lot of words."
Much of Walker's success in cheese country came about because he had weak opponents. He wasn't circumstantially compelled to get better as a stump candidate.
Posted by: torquewrench at September 03, 2015 01:02 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Chupacabras at September 03, 2015 12:23 PM (q/kmn)
Buffett has at least one halfway decent song, "Pencil-Thin Mustache." Stevie Nicks is Janis Ian with a coke problem.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 03, 2015 01:02 PM (zF6Iw)
From October 24th last year, texts between the equipment guys who were fired.
Jastremski: I have a big needle for u this week
McNally: Better be surrounded by cash and newkicks....or its a rugby sunday
McNally: F--- tom
Jastremski: Maybe u will have some nice size 11s in ur locker
McNally: Tom must really be working your balls hard this week
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Frankly that sounds like a couple of gay dudes making a date.
Posted by: irright at September 03, 2015 01:03 PM (zxnPQ)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 03, 2015 01:03 PM (4nG/u)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 03, 2015 01:02 PM (i23N/)
I know it is, but I'm a practicing assholist.
Posted by: maddogg at September 03, 2015 01:03 PM (xWW96)
Let's make sure we're talking about the same thing here.
My boss thinks I'm conducting industrial espionage (collaborating with a competitor to provide them with a competitive advantage of some kind). He believes evidence of that is on my phone. He does not have enough for a criminal investigation, but he has enough that he believes that I'm the culprit. He then demands to see my phone.
Now, I have two choices - provide my phone, or not provide my phone.
If I choose not to provide my phone, yes, I believe he should be able to fire me. And whether or not I *would* sue would depend on the specific circumstances. Even if I did, I fully expect (from a distance which allows objectivity) that I would - and should - lose.
Now, "withholding paychecks" is a different thing, but I'm not in a job that allows for "suspended without pay." If I were, I would suspect there would be other protections and the question gets a lot more complicated. But, as a whole, yes, I think Goodell is justified in slapping Brady with some kind of punishment. I don't know that a 4 game suspension is right, but I don't know that it's wrong, either.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 03, 2015 01:03 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 03, 2015 12:58 PM (gf8BH)
It proves, like the exchange below that Brady instructed McNally to deflate the balls after the refs give them to him to take to the field in exchange for gifts and cash.
McNally: Tom sucks...im going make that next ball a f----- balloon
Jastremski: Talked to him last night. He actually brought you up and
said you must have a lot of stress trying to get them done...
Jastremski: I told him it was. He was right though...
Jastremski: I checked some of the balls this morn... The refs f----- us...a few of then (sic) were at almost 16
Jastremski: They didnt recheck then after they put air in them
McNally: F--- tom ...16 is nothing...wait till next sunday
Jastremski: Omg! Spaz
Posted by: Timon at September 03, 2015 01:03 PM (ZDJwC)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 03, 2015 01:03 PM (qKk9I)
Posted by: Timon at September 03, 2015 12:59 PM (ZDJwC)
A Judge is never wrong unless a Higher Court or Judge says he is. And again an agreement ,any agreement including the CBA, is subject to legal challenges and interpretation.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 03, 2015 01:03 PM (gf8BH)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 03, 2015 01:04 PM (b/6cr)
Not Hillary, donate to Sanders. Let's really run this baby over the cliff.
Posted by: Paladin at September 03, 2015 01:04 PM (E1aoU)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 03, 2015 01:03 PM (4nG/u)"
____________________________________________
So a Buzzion is neither alive nor dead until observed?
Posted by: NotCoach at September 03, 2015 01:05 PM (rsudF)
It proves nothing of the sort. All it proves is the 2 idiot equipment men drop Brady's name. If I drop your name after I've been caught doing something questionable or wrong, does that "Prove" you helped me?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 03, 2015 01:05 PM (gf8BH)
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Yeah, buzz. I don't give a rat's ass about the scandal, or anything football for tha matter, bur the moral equivocation is too funny.
Posted by: Chi at September 03, 2015 01:05 PM (L2Ssy)
Posted by: SH
That was basically the NFL's case. Brady wouldn't hand his cell phone over, so he's obviously hiding something which means he's guilty.
Even if he was 100% innocent, he would have been stupid to have handed it over.
I look at this as the equivalent of a cop raiding a house without a warrant and the case being tossed. Maybe a guy gets away with holding some pot, but I'd rather see LE get slapped down.
Posted by: McAdams at September 03, 2015 01:05 PM (nq/J2)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 03, 2015 01:05 PM (4nG/u)
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Agree with your last point. It will be interesting to see how the higher courts rule. Ultimately, this may get to the SCt. Then who knows.
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 01:05 PM (gmeXX)
It's not about one game. It goes back to the entire season and most likely before that. See the above texts...
Posted by: Timon at September 03, 2015 01:06 PM (ZDJwC)
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Primary is moot by the time it rolls around to PA
Posted by: @votermom at September 03, 2015 01:06 PM (cbfNE)
we part ways there
I'll just stay home
D's will never get any support, real or figurative, from me
Posted by: Feh at September 03, 2015 12:55 PM (FHaO9)
We just aim to hasten the arrival of the burning times. It is inevitable and it is painful. Might as well get it over with.
Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at September 03, 2015 01:06 PM (JOG+K)
Posted by: Dirty Randy at September 03, 2015 01:06 PM (jjaLl)
Posted by: Bigby's Wriggly Fingers at September 03, 2015 01:06 PM (3ZtZW)
Now, I have two choices - provide my phone, or not provide my phone.
If I choose not to provide my phone, yes, I believe he should be able to fire me. And whether or not I *would* sue would depend on the specific circumstances. Even if I did, I fully expect (from a distance which allows objectivity) that I would - and should - lose.
Yeah you wouldn't want to hand over your phone to your boss when he suspects you of corporate espionage but what you're really doing is banging his wife, and her number was the last one you sent a text too.
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2015 01:07 PM (zt+N6)
Posted by: Feh at September 03, 2015 01:07 PM (FHaO9)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 03, 2015 01:07 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 01:05 PM (gmeXX)
If this stupid piece of shit disagreement gets to the Supreme Court, then this Country is really beyond hope. This disagreement should be decided behind the gym like in the old days
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 03, 2015 01:07 PM (gf8BH)
I predict Trump will be our next president.
Posted by: Kevin C at September 03, 2015 01:07 PM (dEA2d)
Posted by: wrg500 at September 03, 2015 01:07 PM (kQBSd)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 03, 2015 01:03 PM (4nG/u)
No, there's no question that buzzion is dead.
He's just not willing to accept it yet.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 03, 2015 01:07 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 03, 2015 01:07 PM (i23N/)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 03, 2015 01:08 PM (4nG/u)
Posted by: SH
That was basically the NFL's case. Brady wouldn't hand his cell phone over, so he's obviously hiding something which means he's guilty.
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No. No one is saying that company has the absolute right to go through your personal computers, etc. But if you are suspected of something and you do not turn those over, then I as a trier of fact can infer that maybe you were hiding something. That is basic civil law. Or as AllenG said - basic common sense.
Their case was he knew about it. There is evidence to support that, including his lack of full participation. The CBA gave Goodell the power to review and decide the appeal. He did.
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 01:08 PM (gmeXX)
It proves nothing of the sort. All it proves is the 2 idiot equipment men drop Brady's name. If I drop your name after I've been caught doing something questionable or wrong, does that "Prove" you helped me?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 03, 2015 01:05 PM (gf8BH)
You can't honestly believe this. Do you think that the equipment managers would mess with Tom Brady's footballs without his consent? Please.
Posted by: Timon at September 03, 2015 01:08 PM (ZDJwC)
Posted by: Bigby's Wriggly Fingers at September 03, 2015 01:08 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: maddogg at September 03, 2015 01:08 PM (xWW96)
Posted by: Bigby's Wriggly Fingers at September 03, 2015 01:06 PM (3ZtZW)"
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Well clearly a Buzzion can occupy both states simultaneously, you dimwit.
Posted by: NotCoach at September 03, 2015 01:08 PM (rsudF)
Posted by: steevy at September 03, 2015 01:08 PM (sPO3u)
I don't think this is too much to ask of the Universe.
Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at September 03, 2015 01:08 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Countrysquire, feeling reasonably fresh down there at September 03, 2015 01:08 PM (eEBON)
Posted by: YO! at September 03, 2015 01:09 PM (q+zA9)
That's extremely specific. Consider me intrigued.
Please go on.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 03, 2015 01:09 PM (1xUj/)
If he thinks I'm breaking the law, get a f*cking warrant.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 03, 2015 01:09 PM (pTY38)
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2015 01:07 PM (zt+N6)
And there's that, too.
I'll even go on the record here: I *would* tell my boss to F Off, would not hand over my phone, and would likely save him the effort of firing me.
But that would not in any way change the fact that he should have the right to fire me.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 03, 2015 01:09 PM (kff5f)
Heisenberg was pulled over for speeding by a motorcycle cop. "Do you know how fast you were going back there?" the cop asked.
"No, sir," Heisenberg answered. "But I know precisely where I am, right now!"
Posted by: Qoheleth at September 03, 2015 01:10 PM (iIzG7)
New Jersey and the Afterlife?
Posted by: Bigby's Wriggly Fingers at September 03, 2015 01:10 PM (3ZtZW)
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These disputes often reach the Supreme Court. There is a long history of court cases involving one professional league and the players' union.
These are big federal issues: labor agreements, antitrust, etc.
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 01:10 PM (gmeXX)
Rush has Jeb answering a question in spanish.
(and Rush is translating it to English)
wow, is Jeb really that dumb?
well I guess so
Posted by: Yo! at September 03, 2015 01:10 PM (q+zA9)
You can't honestly believe this. Do you think that the equipment managers would mess with Tom Brady's footballs without his consent? Please.
Posted by: Timon at September 03, 2015 01:08 PM (ZDJwC)
It does not matter why I believe or for that matter you. It matters what you can prove. And those half wit messages by the equipment mangers are not proof of anything and would never even be allowed to be presented in a real court
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 03, 2015 01:10 PM (gf8BH)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 03, 2015 01:10 PM (x3GpS)
I don't think this is too much to ask of the Universe.
Posted by: alexthechick
Why? You know his expression wouldn't change.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 03, 2015 01:10 PM (1xUj/)
Of course. Thou shalt have no other gods before the faaaabulous ME!
Although, since she's a Dem, I find a bit of bitter joy in having the overweening State and Tolerance Brigade she no doubt supports biting her in the ass.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 03, 2015 01:11 PM (zF6Iw)
He's sensitive about it.
You'll hurt his ectoplasmic emanations.
Posted by: @votermom at September 03, 2015 01:11 PM (cbfNE)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 03, 2015 01:11 PM (i23N/)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 03, 2015 01:11 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: navybrat at September 03, 2015 01:11 PM (ETxiG)
Posted by: Timon
There is not an equipment manager living or dead that would mess with game balls without talking to the quarterback about it first. Not if they want their jobs.
Posted by: wrg500 at September 03, 2015 01:11 PM (kQBSd)
Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at September 03, 2015 01:08 PM (mf5HN)
Neither do I.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 03, 2015 01:11 PM (kff5f)
These are big federal issues: labor agreements, antitrust, etc.
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 01:10 PM (gmeXX)
I am not dis agreeing with you. It's just some people have way to much time and money on their hands
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 03, 2015 01:11 PM (gf8BH)
Posted by: steevy at September 03, 2015 01:11 PM (sPO3u)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at September 03, 2015 01:12 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 03, 2015 01:12 PM (4nG/u)
Posted by: torquewrench at September 03, 2015 01:02 PM (noWW6)
Thanks, that was an insightful comment. I've been trying to figure out why Walker's performance has been so unready for primetime. Lack of good sparring partners makes more sense than anything I've heard or read so far.
Posted by: troyriser at September 03, 2015 01:12 PM (Bvf82)
(A) Inadequate Notice of Discipline and Misconduct
(i) No Notice of Four-Game Suspension: Steroid Use Comparison
(ii) No Notice of Any Discernible Infraction
(iii) No Notice of Suspension as Opposed to Fine: Competitive Integrity Policy vs.Player Policies
(B) Commissioner Goodell Improperly Denied Brady the Opportunity to Examine Designated Co-Lead Investigator Jeff Pash
"The Court finds that Commissioner Goodell's denial of Brady's motion to compel the testimony of Mr. Pash was fundamentally unfair and in violation of U.S.C" (couldn't copy/paste the special characters)
(C) Commissioner Goodell Improperly Denied Brady Equal Access to Investigative Files
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I'm no expert in labor law, but from reading those who ARE, it appears that this decision is, legally speaking, correct. If the NFL had been smart, they'd have reduced Brady's suspension to 1 or 2 games and everyone would have moved on. Instead, the NFL appears to have hired a team of lawyers from the GOPe smart set.
Posted by: physics geek at September 03, 2015 01:12 PM (MT22W)
Posted by: Bigby's Wriggly Fingers at September 03, 2015 01:10 PM (3ZtZW)"
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Which one is Hell?
Posted by: NotCoach at September 03, 2015 01:12 PM (rsudF)
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What? Why would they not be allowed in a court?
Besides courts do not admit proofs. Courts admit evidence. The triar of fact decides on the evidence. Absolute proof is not necessary in a civil matter.
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 01:12 PM (gmeXX)
Brady has a right not to give up his phone. The NFL has a right to give him shit over it. All the remaining details are for the lawyers to fight over.
Brady's a big boy and has his own well-paid lawyers.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 03, 2015 01:12 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 01:12 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Garrett at September 03, 2015 01:13 PM (TzlU8)
Posted by: maddogg at September 03, 2015 01:13 PM (xWW96)
I don't think this is too much to ask of the Universe.
Posted by: alexthechick
Why? You know his expression wouldn't change.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 03, 2015 01:10 PM (1xUj/)
Yeah but he might go up an octave from gruff to surly.
Posted by: buzzion at September 03, 2015 01:13 PM (zt+N6)
(and Rush is translating it to English)
wow, is Jeb really that dumb?
well I guess so
Posted by: Yo! at September 03, 2015 01:10 PM (q+zA9)
eh? What's Rush up to
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 03, 2015 01:13 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at September 03, 2015 01:13 PM (mvenn)
Posted by: steevy at September 03, 2015 01:13 PM (sPO3u)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 03, 2015 01:10 PM (gf8BH)
Gooddell doesn't have to prove anything. The CBA gives him the right to suspend Brady. The NFL isn't a court of law. This judge is wrong and will be overturned. For the record, I think that the players are absolute idiots for agreeing to the CBA but D. Smith convinced them that they would get more money if they agreed. Greed won.
Posted by: Timon at September 03, 2015 01:13 PM (ZDJwC)
Besides courts do not admit proofs. Courts admit evidence. The triar of fact decides on the evidence. Absolute proof is not necessary in a civil matter.
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 01:12 PM (gmeXX)
Sounds alot like hearsay to me and has no basis. Where are the messages directly from Brady telling them to break the rules?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 03, 2015 01:13 PM (gf8BH)
Ever.
I thought he only had one song. Just mixes up the lyrics here and there.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 03, 2015 01:14 PM (1xUj/)
They made it realistic because of their rejection. If they'd have welcomed Trump in a more the merrier fashion we wouldn't be discussing him much right now as he probably would have imploded. AS it is, they created a lightning rod.
Posted by: Bigby's Wriggly Fingers at September 03, 2015 01:14 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: navybrat at September 03, 2015 01:11 PM (ETxiG)
Switching my vote now!!
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 03, 2015 01:14 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 03, 2015 01:14 PM (4nG/u)
She is an elected official, there's a long process to replace her or impeachment but impeachment can't happen until the legislature reconvenes in Jan. or so.
They can't fire her she's elected. They can't deputize the other clerks because they're not allowed to sign the licenses.
I love what this lady is doing and I hope that finally the states get our of the marriage license business.
Marriage is a contract. Treat it like one under contract law.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 03, 2015 01:14 PM (x3GpS)
The weird, or perhaps not so weird, thing about this is that she is clearly in the wrong here, legally; when even the Supreme Court is unanimous, elected position or not she is going to lose her job.
And yet the left, rather than arguing, hey, she's out of there, we're right, is instead basically doxxing her, trying to shame her to... do what?
Two thoughts: One, they are so used to being wrong they don't know how to actually argue a winning case. Two: they don't want her to resign. Victory isn't allowing gay marriage to move forward in that county, it's forcing this one person to sign off on gay marriage.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 03, 2015 01:14 PM (2lndx)
"Absolute proof is not necessary in a civil matter."
Absolut is ABSOLUTELY necessary when discussing Deflategate......
Posted by: Dirty Randy at September 03, 2015 01:14 PM (jjaLl)
What does not kill Trump will only make him stronger.
So uh, good luck with that, GOPe.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 03, 2015 01:15 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: MTF at September 03, 2015 01:15 PM (TxJGV)
Posted by: Timon at September 03, 2015 01:13 PM (ZDJwC)
Fine let them appeal. So far the NFLs record in court sucks as bad as the NY Jet's record
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 03, 2015 01:15 PM (gf8BH)
Posted by: steevy at September 03, 2015 01:11 PM (sPO3u)"
_________________________________________________
Buzzion underwent a state change after being re-observed. I think maybe there are some potential benefits here in understanding the Buzzion Uncertainty Principle. Buzzion computing, anyone?
Posted by: NotCoach at September 03, 2015 01:15 PM (rsudF)
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There may be none. But that is not necessary for one to conclude that he did order or at least had knowledge.
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 01:15 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 03, 2015 01:13
Rush is playing a clip of Jeb jabbering in espaniol, not interviewing the Jeb
Posted by: Yo! at September 03, 2015 01:15 PM (q+zA9)
Now, I have two choices - provide my phone, or not provide my phone.
If I choose not to provide my phone, yes, I believe he should be able to fire me. And whether or not I *would* sue would depend on the specific circumstances. Even if I did, I fully expect (from a distance which allows objectivity) that I would - and should - lose.
Now, "withholding paychecks" is a different thing, but I'm not in a job that allows for "suspended without pay." If I were, I would suspect there would be other protections and the question gets a lot more complicated. But, as a whole, yes, I think Goodell is justified in slapping Brady with some kind of punishment. I don't know that a 4 game suspension is right, but I don't know that it's wrong, either.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther)
There's some extreme examples being used here, but what I'm saying is your boss doesn't get to say "hand over your personal phone and let me read every email or text message you've written because I suspect you of X or I'm taking several paychecks away from you and/or firing you"
I own my own business, and I would not expect that ability.
If I strongly suspected an employee was engaging in bad behavior while at work, I would fire him on that basis, not the "he wouldn't let me root around in his personal correspondence on his personal phone"
Every state would come down hard on an employer that pulled something like that, and if you had a Union contract, you better believe that would not happen.
If you want to argue a pretty extreme idea of "my employer can fire me for whatever reason I want" that's a different ideological argument, but that is not our current legal structure in this country.
Posted by: McAdams at September 03, 2015 01:15 PM (nq/J2)
Asinine. The proper response is to move her to another department or fire her. Prison time is ridiculous - but it does present a possibility where someone might be able to argue their way up the court system for conscientious objection.
Granted, its not likely in the current legal and cultural climate, but that's how the left did it for years: get arrested and appeal up the chain until you get what you want.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 03, 2015 01:16 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Phelps at September 03, 2015 01:16 PM (EAxV6)
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 01:15 PM (gmeXX)
Order them to do what exactly?
That he made his preference known that he likes the balls inflated near the bottom of the legal standard rather than the top?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 03, 2015 01:16 PM (gf8BH)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 03, 2015 01:16 PM (4nG/u)
Posted by: Robert W at September 03, 2015 01:17 PM (suKOa)
Its like that Twilight Zone ep with the phone and the old lady
Posted by: Bigby's Wriggly Fingers at September 03, 2015 01:17 PM (3ZtZW)
Ever.
My brother listens to Sirius's Margaritaville incessantly.
Drives you crazy.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 03, 2015 01:17 PM (qCMvj)
there are some potential benefits here in understanding the Buzzion
Uncertainty Principle. Buzzion computing, anyone?>>>
Has he turned into a 60 foot tall StaPuft Marsh mellow man?
Posted by: Buzzsaw at September 03, 2015 01:17 PM (XtAzU)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 03, 2015 01:17 PM (1xUj/)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 03, 2015 01:11 PM (i23N/)
Fat and Stupid?
Posted by: Iblis at September 03, 2015 01:17 PM (9221z)
I challenge your hypothesis.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 03, 2015 01:17 PM (OGm46)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 03, 2015 01:18 PM (fWAjv)
You couldn't get me to care one way or the other if you offered me a lifetime supply.
Posted by: Mr. Healthy Penis at September 03, 2015 01:18 PM (HstNY)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 03, 2015 01:16 PM (4nG/u)"
_________________________________________________-
What did one Moron say to the other?
I think you just discovered BUPKIS, my friend!
Posted by: NotCoach at September 03, 2015 01:18 PM (rsudF)
That he made his preference known that he likes the balls inflated near the bottom of the legal standard rather than the top?
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If I were a trier of fact, I could still find that it is more probable than not that someone ordered something even if I did not have direct evidence of him actually ordering something.
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 01:18 PM (gmeXX)
Ever.
I thought he only had one song. Just mixes up the lyrics here and there.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 03, 2015 01:14 PM (1xUj/)
No, that's Springsteen.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 03, 2015 01:18 PM (zF6Iw)
It's an elected position.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 03, 2015 01:18 PM (2lndx)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 03, 2015 01:17 PM (OGm46)
I will admit to hating the Jets even more, so I concede your point.
Posted by: physics geek at September 03, 2015 01:19 PM (MT22W)
When will all the elected officials of sanctuary cities be jailed for a similar offense?
Posted by: Buzzsaw at September 03, 2015 01:19 PM (XtAzU)
Posted by: Yo! at September 03, 2015 01:15 PM (q+zA9)
Thanks.
Didn't want to tune in.
Rather listen to music.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 03, 2015 01:19 PM (qCMvj)
It's an elected position.
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I for one like this kind of civil disobedience.
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 01:19 PM (gmeXX)
No, don't think they can. Its an elected position IIRC, so her boss is the People and she can't be moved nor fired. But she can be jailed/fined, I guess.
Posted by: Bigby's Wriggly Fingers at September 03, 2015 01:20 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 03, 2015 01:18 PM (fWAjv)
...
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 03, 2015 01:20 PM (qCMvj)
http://tinyurl.com/pxnhskw
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 03, 2015 01:20 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Big Jake McCandles at September 03, 2015 01:20 PM (Q8y6V)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 03, 2015 01:18 PM (fWAjv)
...
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 03, 2015 01:20 PM (qCMvj)
Great! Linky?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 03, 2015 01:21 PM (gf8BH)
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I'm not really following it. Is this a contempt of court jailing/fining?
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 01:21 PM (gmeXX)
I love the Jets. Unfortunately, they appear to hate me.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 03, 2015 01:21 PM (OGm46)
I agree, they were too fixated on annointing Jeb to move strategically and now its killing them. The GOP establishment should have glad handed Trump, given him a big welcome and praised him, and that would have killed his chances because people would loathe anyone they liked - and would be repulsed by his past statements and positions.
The problem is, the GOP establishment does not yet seem to comprehend how much they are hated by the voters and their own base. So it never occurred to them to handle Trump strategically.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 03, 2015 01:21 PM (39g3+)
This is why the right loses. It's commitment to 'law' in this age is naive and self-defeating.
The left had no problem issuing licenses when they were illegal. It has no problem with sanctuary cities. It has no problem with illegally storing classified documents. It has no problem with IRS witch hunts. The law doesn't bind the left at all.
This commitment to 'the law' when one side ignores it is a commitment to slavery. It doesn't make you better than them, it makes you commanded by them.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 03, 2015 01:21 PM (pTY38)
Posted by: noone at September 03, 2015 01:21 PM (9pNWx)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 03, 2015 01:21 PM (fWAjv)
Enough of the enabling. Enough of the codependency, permitting these people to continue hurting us.
As they say in intervention circles: At some point, if you keep enabling the behavior, you're no longer a victim: You're a volunteer.
Well, I'm a volunteer no more.
One of us. One of us.
http://tinyurl.com/odj9p8f
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at September 03, 2015 01:22 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 03, 2015 01:22 PM (x3GpS)
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Judicial Supremacy - Yeah baby.
Posted by: SH at September 03, 2015 01:22 PM (gmeXX)
It's still bullshit IMO.
The idea that some notice is required of the nature of a possible violation is rubbish
It all stems from the judges unsupported statement that the football "law of shop" is to given notice of every possible violation and punishment. To equate this to equipment tampering is disingenuous.
He went well Beyond procedure - he essentially said they need to statutize every possible violation or risk a judge deeming any decision unfair.
I hate Goodell - that's a bullshit decision
How he can deny it is an integrity of the game issue and/or demand categorizing everything either via the CBA or some "criminal or civil known" standard is unbelievable to me. The "law of shop" it to protect the integrity of the game from cheating and perception of cheating. They stole the ball, deflated it, brought it back to the game, then destroyed evidence. I guess all that wasnt evidence that they knew it was wrong and hence had notice ?
Posted by: Timon at September 03, 2015 01:22 PM (ZDJwC)
Posted by: Bigby's Wriggly Fingers at September 03, 2015 01:22 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: steevy at September 03, 2015 01:22 PM (sPO3u)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 03, 2015 01:21 PM (OGm46)
They hate us all
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 03, 2015 01:22 PM (gf8BH)
Finally, a bumper sticker, flag, button and lapel pin
I can get behind.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at September 03, 2015 01:23 PM (DB5cZ)
this is awesome
citizens protecting cops
https://twitter.com/lupash7/status/639232938446614528/photo/1
instapundit
SO AFTER THE CHATTANOOGA SHOOTING, WE HAD ARMED CITIZENS PROTECTING RECRUITING CENTERS. Now with all the cop shootings, I'm seeing stuff like this:
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 03, 2015 01:23 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 03, 2015 01:15 PM (0NdlF)
Wasn't talking about Trump. Talking about Walker and his surprisingly unpolished media presentation and noticeable lack of rhetorical ability, at least so far.
"And what does not kill Trump will only make his hair more luxuriant and pleasing to look upon." *sigh* *swoon*
Get a grip. And how, exactly, can you call yourself 'ConservativeMonster' when there's nothing remotely conservative about Donald Trump? Strange dichotomy, much?
Posted by: troyriser at September 03, 2015 01:23 PM (Bvf82)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 03, 2015 01:23 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Geno Smith at September 03, 2015 01:24 PM (zt+N6)
Posted by: steevy at September 03, 2015 01:22 PM (sPO3u)
Probably why she didn't fold immediately like a coward.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 03, 2015 01:24 PM (pTY38)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 03, 2015 01:24 PM (gf8BH)
Two thoughts: One, they are so used to being wrong they don't know how to actually argue a winning case. Two: they don't want her to resign. Victory isn't allowing gay marriage to move forward in that county, it's forcing this one person to sign off on gay marriage.
The whole thing has nothing to do with marriage or relationships or feelings. Its all about FORCINGsociety to APPROVE. No one is allowed to dissent.
Posted by: simplemind at September 03, 2015 01:24 PM (XkdIH)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 03, 2015 01:24 PM (1xUj/)
If Jeb gets the nominations, this may be the first presidential election since I was in college that I didn't vote in.
Posted by: nerdygirl at September 03, 2015 01:25 PM (+lVUW)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 03, 2015 01:25 PM (i23N/)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 03, 2015 01:25 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 03, 2015 01:25 PM (gf8BH)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 03, 2015 01:24 PM (1xUj/)
Radar is a tabloidish publication.
Somewhere between National Enquirer and TMZ.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 03, 2015 01:25 PM (AkOaV)
The difference between two could be explained rather simply, however. Failure Theater can at least be explained as a desire to not get side-tracked in the near-term by every little interest group's pet issue du jour, and instead keep one's eye on the end goal of winning the presidency next year.
Outrage Theater is more about driving clicks, and thus, ad revenue.
But hey, everybody has to have a job, right?
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 03, 2015 01:26 PM (ljZD2)
Posted by: Timon at September 03, 2015 01:26 PM (ZDJwC)
This is why the right loses. It's commitment to 'law' in this age is naive and self-defeating.
The left had no problem issuing licenses when they were illegal. It has no problem with sanctuary cities. It has no problem with illegally storing classified documents. It has no problem with IRS witch hunts. The law doesn't bind the left at all.
This commitment to 'the law' when one side ignores it is a commitment to slavery. It doesn't make you better than them, it makes you commanded by them.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk
I agree, I think there needs to be a real civil disobedience movement in this country.
I have mixed feelings about the clerk case, but it's nice to see the SC basically told to go fuck itself.
Posted by: Coolio at September 03, 2015 01:26 PM (yrBta)
If Jeb gets the nominations, this may be the first presidential election since I was in college that I didn't vote in.
Posted by: nerdygirl at September 03, 2015 01:25 PM (+lVUW)
don't be such a hobbit and wacko bird.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 03, 2015 01:26 PM (AkOaV)
She better get one of those "Fund Me" things a going
She has one.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 03, 2015 01:26 PM (pTY38)
Some places the judge can keep you there indefinitely.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 03, 2015 01:26 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 03, 2015 01:24 PM (1xUj/)
I believe so. Been around for awhile. Kind of like TMZ I think.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 03, 2015 01:26 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger
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What about innocent bystanders?
I was tired of it after the first couple hours!
Posted by: Chi at September 03, 2015 01:26 PM (L2Ssy)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 03, 2015 01:27 PM (JmGFJ)
Ever.
Posted by: Garrett
This is known.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 03, 2015 01:27 PM (JmGFJ)
:nods:
It is known.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 03, 2015 01:27 PM (AkOaV)
The KY clerk situation nicely highlights the orwellian dystopia we are already deep into - certain "laws" (capricious baseless social engineering ukazes imposed by a handful of unaccountable people over the clearly expressed popular will) WILL be enforced.
Other laws? Those that form the very basis of our entire system - such as citizenship? THOSE can be ignored with impunity. The lawlessness can be flaunted, even codified in local and state statutes - with no consequence whatever.
One of the good tick-list items in that Thomas Crown thing: the quiet acceptance of utterly ridiculous and indefensible SCOTUS legislation (no serious person can contend these were judicial rulings). We have long since seen the real-world reductio ad absurdum of deferring to SCOTUS legislation, vs. risking what might follow some well-founded push-back by the other branches. We're living it.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 03, 2015 01:27 PM (QDnY+)
http://tinyurl.com/pxnhskw
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 03, 2015 01:20 PM (fWAjv)
I wish he would have turned them over to Trey Gowdy instead.
Posted by: Timon at September 03, 2015 01:28 PM (ZDJwC)
http://tinyurl.com/pxnhskw
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 03, 2015 01:20 PM (fWAjv)
I wish he would have turned them over to Trey Gowdy instead.
Posted by: Timon at September 03, 2015 01:28 PM (ZDJwC)
son of a bitch. That sucks for him.
Because
a) $500k would be nice
and
b) I think he was bluffing
and
c) if Obamas DOJ wants these emails buried, they will be.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 03, 2015 01:29 PM (AkOaV)
Won't you take a ride on the flyin' spoon?
Doo, doo doo
Wond'rous apparition provided by magician
Doo doo doo lookin' out my back door
Posted by: Martian spoon at September 03, 2015 01:29 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 03, 2015 01:29 PM (i23N/)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 03, 2015 01:29 PM (E5UB0)
Then she can be suspended by the governor or local authority from office, probably.
I agree that this person is breaking the law; I also agree that this happens routinely around the nation with Sanctuary Cities, and commonly with the President of the United States using executive orders. Right and absolute ethics trumps law, but you need to be ready to face the consequences.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 03, 2015 01:30 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 03, 2015 01:30 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 03, 2015 01:21 PM (OGm46)
Browns fan so I, um, hmmm, win doesn't seem to be quite le mot juste here.
Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at September 03, 2015 01:30 PM (mf5HN)
Look over here, WE FOUND A ROCK ON MARS THAT LOOKS EXACTLY, EXACTLY LIKE KIM'S AZZZZZZZ!!!!
Posted by: ABCNNPRMSNBCB(B)S at September 03, 2015 01:30 PM (5buP8)
Read Stephanie Stradley's analysis on the case, but before and after the decision: https://twitter.com/StephStradley
Posted by: physics geek at September 03, 2015 01:31 PM (MT22W)
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 03, 2015 01:29 PM
Well played.
golf clap
Posted by: AltonJackson at September 03, 2015 01:31 PM (ZQfW9)
Posted by: Rarl Kove at September 03, 2015 01:31 PM (1UZgP)
Posted by: E.T. at September 03, 2015 01:31 PM (yq4gk)
The laws will not allow them to substitute (as far as I can tell they can impeach her or they can do a special election.)
Apparently there's no provision for her incapacitation.
Which seems odd. I would guess there is one but the judge can't order it. Only an elected official of the county can do that, I believe.
If she was an employee this would all be done differently and without as much confusion.
the state should get out of the marriage license business.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 03, 2015 01:31 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 03, 2015 01:31 PM (b/6cr)
Posted by: turnippatty at September 03, 2015 01:32 PM (JmGFJ)
Posted by: JackStraw
Thanks for the coach.
Posted by: a Bills fan at September 03, 2015 01:32 PM (kQBSd)
Jeb Bush to Trump: What's wrong with speaking Spanish?
"That's the reality of America, that's the goodness of America. That's the kind of America we want."
I guess Jeb! thinks he speaks for all of us.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 03, 2015 01:32 PM (qCMvj)
Right? "Do not go gentle into that goodnight" is one thing. This continuous taunting of us mortals is just not good form.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 03, 2015 01:33 PM (1xUj/)
Posted by: Miss Piggy haiku at September 03, 2015 01:33 PM (mvenn)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 03, 2015 01:32 PM (qCMvj)"
__________________________________________________
This Jeb! fellow just does not seem all that bright to me.
Posted by: NotCoach at September 03, 2015 01:34 PM (rsudF)
Posted by: simplemind at September 03, 2015 01:34 PM (5vV+V)
Posted by: Bender for Prez at September 03, 2015 01:34 PM (CgOBQ)
not that there's anything wrong with that...........
Posted by: himself at September 03, 2015 01:34 PM (8CdUx)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 03, 2015 01:34 PM (b/6cr)
-gay marriage arguments from 2003
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 03, 2015 01:34 PM (pTY38)
Posted by: simplemind at September 03, 2015 01:34 PM (5vV+V)
I'll have paint drying that day, so I'll be busy watching it. Oh, and rooting for the Browns to win.
Posted by: physics geek at September 03, 2015 01:34 PM (MT22W)
"That's the reality of America, that's the goodness of America. That's the kind of America we want."
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IOW he wants to turn America into Mexico. I wish he'd just move to Mexico.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 03, 2015 01:35 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at September 03, 2015 01:35 PM (mvenn)
The KY clerk situation nicely highlights the orwellian dystopia we are already deep into - certain "laws" (capricious baseless social engineering ukazes imposed by a handful of unaccountable people over the clearly expressed popular will) WILL be enforced.
She only needs one moron on the Grand Jury. Unfair laws do NOT have to be followed.
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at September 03, 2015 01:35 PM (62PM3)
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 03, 2015 01:35 PM (5buP8)
Posted by: mossomo at September 03, 2015 01:35 PM (3Vph4)
A.O.L.
oh my
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 03, 2015 01:36 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: the GOPe at September 03, 2015 01:36 PM (8CdUx)
Get a grip. It's pro sports. Which means "entertainment".
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 03, 2015 01:36 PM (aRgrb)
Come on, wake up Fleetwood Mac lovers and apologists. We know for
certain that they suck BC the nasty Clintons picked Don't Stop Thinking
About Tomorrow for their campaign song. Trump's playing Aersosmith at
his events
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Fleetwood Mac for GOPe
Tusk!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InjF8xj93LU
Posted by: exdem13 at September 03, 2015 01:37 PM (ry4ab)
Just saw a commercial for Leinenkugel pumpkin spice beer...
It's barely September, Fer crying out loud!
Posted by: Chi at September 03, 2015 01:37 PM (L2Ssy)
Posted by: mossomo at September 03, 2015 01:35 PM (3Vph4)
one guys said he would
Jeb Bush: Of course I'll support Trump if he's the nominee
abc news
hotair link
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 03, 2015 01:37 PM (qCMvj)
"That's the reality of America, that's the goodness of America. That's the kind of America we want."
I guess Jeb! thinks he speaks for all of us.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 03, 2015 01:32 PM (qCMvj)
Political ad
'Press 1 for Trump. Numero dos for Jeb!'
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 03, 2015 01:37 PM (fWAjv)
My first big sale in my first job out of college was to the New England Patriots. This is back when the Sullivan family owned the team and Pat Sullivan was the GM.
He was just about to sign the contract with me when he leaned back and said "So, how many season tickets do you want?".
So my first big commission check went to cover the cost of 2 season tickets in the old Schaffer Stadium, which was a boil on the earth, for a team that sucked, like 1-15 sucked, and that I hated. But at least they were in the friends and family section so I had that going for me.
I couldn't give those tickets away. I finally got rid of them just in time for them to start winning Super Bowls.
Yes, my hatred for the Pats runs deep.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 03, 2015 01:37 PM (OGm46)
They way things are going in the country, you can say anything you want about what the law is, and the constitution says 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;'.
What this judge has done clearly demonstrates that Congress has made a law that establishes a religious belief, and has prohibited the free exercise of that belief. Therefore, the law establishing gay marriage is unconstitutional, and the judge has violated civil rights, and the constitution and must be removed from the bench.
That woman was jailed for her religious belief.
Posted by: Herman Lackluster at September 03, 2015 01:38 PM (4wmga)
Posted by: simplemind at September 03, 2015 01:38 PM (5vV+V)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 03, 2015 01:38 PM (b/6cr)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 03, 2015 01:39 PM (i23N/)
Posted by: L, Elle
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I'm pretty sure her Christian Faith.
Posted by: Chi at September 03, 2015 01:40 PM (L2Ssy)
Posted by: JoeF. at September 03, 2015 01:40 PM (IyGyT)
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at September 03, 2015 01:40 PM (NHtMs)
Oh boy, ace hope you plunge back into the "culture"/language/immigration wars. Cardinal Dolan has apparently beclowned/besmirched himself with the "nativist" and "anti-immigrant" smears WRT The Donald and English/Spanish.
The Church is obviously one of the biggest institutions pushing race-based lawlessness (well in their case confession-based - if 90% of illegals were Buddhist or Muslim it is impossible to imagine the Church giving a f**k).
We'll almost certainly get a heapin' helpin' of arrogant nonsense from the Argentine fascist during his visit on this matter.
It's disgusting and appalling, of course, to see that a large swathe of the non-leftist"elites" are as vile and ignorant as they are, in their resort to the "nativist" crap. Just as repugnant and revealing as the misuse of the "racist" concept to the point where today it means nothing other than to cast doubt on the intelligence, character, and motives of the one flinging the accusation.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 03, 2015 01:40 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at September 03, 2015 01:35 PM (62PM3)
Jury nullification?
I'm not sure a grand jury can do that.
I don't know.
But I know its highly discouraged for juries, and no court in america advises the jury that they have the right to nullify. It's just something you kind of have to know -- its an old english common law thing
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 03, 2015 01:40 PM (AkOaV)
Ive just gotta wonder...... what mental gymnastics will the left do when a Muslim clerk, already granted the religious freedom to wear her hajib at work, starts balking at issuing gay marriage licenses.
Posted by: fixerupper at September 03, 2015 01:41 PM (8XRCm)
It would almost be the perfect exclamation point on the failure of the the republican establishment to get their heads out of their asses.
Posted by: Estel Strider at September 03, 2015 01:41 PM (Avbs3)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 03, 2015 01:37 PM (OGm46)
*pats seat*
Come, sit by me.
Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at September 03, 2015 01:41 PM (mf5HN)
not that there's anything wrong with that...........
Posted by: himself at September 03, 2015 01:34 PM (8CdUx)
For the record, I'm a Steelers fan so I hate Gooddell. He suspended Ben for 6 games for a complete bullshit unfounded accusation. He fined Harrison for textbook tackles that the receiver/runner ducked into among other bullshit fines. The Steelers were the only team that voted against the CBA because it gave Gooddell too much power. My only argument is that the CBA gives Gooddell the power to give the suspension and the judge's reasoning is flawed. The NFL has appealed and we'll see what the 2nd circuit (I think) says. I think that it will be overturned.
Posted by: Timon at September 03, 2015 01:41 PM (ZDJwC)
Posted by: L, Elle
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I'm pretty sure her Christian Faith.
Posted by: Chi at September 03, 2015 01:40 PM (L2Ssy)
apparently she's a born again christian now or something
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 03, 2015 01:41 PM (AkOaV)
Right got it, agreed. But then my question remains: so we burn down the party with Trump, then what?
No seriously, then what? Everyone celebrating the death of the GOPe has articulated 0 plan after.
And no this isn't a "but...but..president Hillary!" defense.
I'm fine with 10, 20, whatever years in the wilderness at this point. Since the GOP doesn't roll back (and often extends) progressive policy decisions, giving the left control really won't be doing much different anyway.
But I'd still like to hear a plan for what we're doing during that time to rebuild some sort of conservative party. Because right now all I hear is fiddling while it burns.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at September 03, 2015 01:42 PM (tM4uk)
Posted by: JoeF. at September 03, 2015 01:42 PM (IyGyT)
Posted by: Bat Chain Puller
~~~~
Only half way thru his Rx.
Just remember y'all: Only You Can Preserve Civility (but not when Ace stoke the opposite): It has been 6 days since the last banning.
Posted by: socalcon at September 03, 2015 01:42 PM (vHlQ5)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 03, 2015 01:42 PM (39g3+)
Yep, we're jailing Christians in this country now. And a bunch of folks here were just fine with this idea yesterday.
Posted by: GMan at September 03, 2015 01:42 PM (sxq57)
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at September 03, 2015 01:43 PM (mvenn)
You would have to jail the entire DMV if that were the case.
Posted by: Coolio at September 03, 2015 01:43 PM (yrBta)
Posted by: socalcon at September 03, 2015 01:42 PM (vHlQ5)
There was just one a bit earlier.
They have the Hammer on Hair Trigger mode.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 03, 2015 01:43 PM (x3GpS)
I wasn't a Fleetwood Mac fan back in the day. I was a teenager and the direction of rock was a Very Big Deal. I've come to really appreciate what they were doing.
But even then, when I thought they represented everything Wrong, I would listen to "Rhiannon" on an infinite loop.
Stevie was a unique incarnation of Hot.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 03, 2015 01:43 PM (1xUj/)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 03, 2015 01:37 PM (OGm46)
*pats seat*
Come, sit by me.
Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at September 03, 2015 01:41 PM (mf5HN)
Hey, save a seat for me!
Posted by: physics geek at September 03, 2015 01:44 PM (MT22W)
Posted by: fixerupper at September 03, 2015 01:44 PM (8XRCm)
Given that the original "nativists" in this country's history were primarily anti-Catholic bigots.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 03, 2015 01:44 PM (ljZD2)
Hacker Removes Hillary's UNRELEASED Emails From Sale, Turns Over To FBI
http://tinyurl.com/pxnhskw
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Heh, pussy poser. The Hildabeast's pinstripe boys must have paid him a little visit, or maybe Obummer said he wouldn't be able to guarantee the dude's continued health and welfare. Vindictive woman, Her Thighness is, believe it.... He's no Edgerunner, to be sure!
Posted by: exdem13 at September 03, 2015 01:44 PM (ry4ab)
You would have to jail the entire DMV if that were the case.
Posted by: Coolio at September 03, 2015 01:43 PM (yrBta)
Seriously. We should just start locking up the entire bureaucracy.
I didn't know that was an option.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 03, 2015 01:44 PM (AkOaV)
Probably asked, but have all the candidates agreed to sign?
So I take it Trump is gonna become one of the new GOPe then. Well, that didn't take long. Although we knew eventually it would happen.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 03, 2015 01:45 PM (ODxAs)
Yep, we're jailing Christians in this country now. And a bunch of folks here were just fine with this idea yesterday.
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Who?? Name names. I want the jailed immediately! This is an outrage!
Posted by: L, Elle at September 03, 2015 01:45 PM (b/6cr)
Posted by: JoeF. at September 03, 2015 01:45 PM (IyGyT)
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 03, 2015 01:45 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 03, 2015 01:45 PM (x3GpS)
Who was it bemoaning the Pumpkin Spice crap everywhere already?
Just saw a commercial for Leinenkugel pumpkin spice beer...
It's barely September, Fer crying out loud!
Pumpkin spice beer = worst taste than Bud Light
Posted by: exdem13 at September 03, 2015 01:45 PM (ry4ab)
The NFL survives by constant hype. It makes people feel like they're part of something bigger and more impressive, lifting them up in significance.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 03, 2015 01:45 PM (39g3+)
2) Trump loses general election in a landslide
3) Boehner & McConnell stay in charge of the GOP in Congress
I'm not sure how this is supposed to hurt the "GOPe" or the CoC.
Posted by: DRayRaven at September 03, 2015 01:45 PM (9YRwm)
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 03, 2015 01:40 PM (AkOaV)
When was the Magna Charta replaced? Last I knew, the judge works for the Jury, not the other way around.
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at September 03, 2015 01:45 PM (62PM3)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 03, 2015 01:45 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: dogfish at September 03, 2015 01:46 PM (jWtyG)
Posted by: Some Douchebag at September 03, 2015 01:46 PM (1UZgP)
No seriously, then what? Everyone celebrating the death of the GOPe has articulated 0 plan after.
Well you didn't ask me but how about Trump reduces the size of government by about a third, stops a nuclear war in the ME, appoints judges that are more concerned with the law then progressive history, repeals OCare, stops the destruction of our Western financial system and then we elect another President and continue?
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at September 03, 2015 01:46 PM (NHtMs)
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 03, 2015 01:46 PM (ljZD2)
Posted by: GMan at September 03, 2015 01:42 PM (sxq57)
"Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."
They are welcome to bring it. The church grows with the blood of the martyrs.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 03, 2015 01:46 PM (0NdlF)
They have the Hammer on Hair Trigger mode.
Soothsayer may just have a bad hash. BTDT before.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2015 01:46 PM (EdhH3)
O cmon who would vote for a muslim???
/besides Obama voters, I mean
Posted by: Bigby's Wriggly Fingers at September 03, 2015 01:46 PM (3ZtZW)
If this got Gooddell canned I'd be happy.
Posted by: Timon at September 03, 2015 01:46 PM (ZDJwC)
Ha
How on Earth does a public official go to jail for "not doing their job"?
You would have to jail the entire DMV if that were the case.
Why stop at the DMV - what about congress?
Posted by: simplemind at September 03, 2015 01:46 PM (5vV+V)
Although in Kentucky, there is precedent.
Posted by: Roy at September 03, 2015 01:47 PM (VndSC)
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at September 03, 2015 01:47 PM (mvenn)
More civil disobedience please.
Posted by: Coolio at September 03, 2015 01:47 PM (yrBta)
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at September 03, 2015 01:47 PM (NHtMs)
Posted by: Mr. Healthy Penis at September 03, 2015 01:47 PM (HstNY)
Come, sit by me.
Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at September 03, 2015 01:41 PM (mf5HN)
Hey, save a seat for me!
Posted by: physics geek at September 03, 2015 01:44 PM (MT22W)
And me, I get my hatred honest--from loathing the worst boss in history, who was in addition to being a Ginormous Liberal Ass was also a Red Sox/Patriots fan. Since I don't care about baseball, I am lukewarm on the Sox, but, I loathe the Pats.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at September 03, 2015 01:47 PM (kXoT0)
looking forward to Jets v Browns this year.
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DYing to see who will win the Loserbowl then?
Posted by: exdem13 at September 03, 2015 01:48 PM (ry4ab)
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at September 03, 2015 01:45 PM (62PM3)
I'd say the Magna Carta was officially repealed when the US government almost jailed a man and slaughtered his herd of cattle in Nevada for eating the Kings Weeds on the Kings Land.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 03, 2015 01:48 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: exdem13
Yep, Pumpkin Spice Beer is right there with Iron City
Posted by: wrg500 at September 03, 2015 01:48 PM (kQBSd)
"http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/252661-trump-hits-30-percent-in-new-poll"
Posted by: Sterilize the Bushes at September 03, 2015 01:48 PM (pq97T)
No seriously, then what?
Either fiscal sanity returns, or we implode.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2015 01:48 PM (EdhH3)
Posted by: dogfish at September 03, 2015 01:46 PM (jWtyG)
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Do you really believe Jeb will lift a finger to help Trump in the general? Pledge or no pledge, Jeb will act like a little bitch when he loses.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at September 03, 2015 01:48 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Bigby's Wriggly Fingers at September 03, 2015 01:49 PM (3ZtZW)
But no, my point is that yes, Jurys can nullify.
I just don't know if grand juries can.
I mean, they can decline to allow the case to continue, but I don't know that they can say, "well, he's guilty but fuck that law in particular." which juries can do.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 03, 2015 01:49 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: physics geek at September 03, 2015 01:49 PM (MT22W)
That said--and I'm a Catholic--the point he made about the Church only giving a fuck about illegal immigration because most of them are nominally Catholics is true. In this they mirror the Latino Diversity Industry who could give a shit about Irish, Polish or Nigerian illegals, or anyone who is not Hispanic.
Posted by: JoeF. at September 03, 2015 01:49 PM (IyGyT)
No seriously, then what? Everyone celebrating the death of the GOPe has articulated 0 plan after.
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Our "savior" will be a guy that advocates socialized medicine and higher taxes on the "rich".
Sounds a lot like the Democrats, only further to the Left.
Posted by: Coolio at September 03, 2015 01:49 PM (yrBta)
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at September 03, 2015 01:50 PM (NHtMs)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 03, 2015 01:50 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at September 03, 2015 01:50 PM (0LHZx)
This is good to get them out of circulation. I just wish that A) these hadn't already been hacked by foreign agents, and B) that I believed that this would ensure that Hillary is prosecuted to the fullest extent (i.e. this wasn't just done to protect her and/or Obama - which might be the case).
Posted by: Lizzy at September 03, 2015 01:50 PM (NOIQH)
No. But that commenter went quite a bit beyond mere "criticism." Out of one side of his mouth, he was whining about being lumped in with "nativists," and out of the other side he was calling the Pope an "Argentine Fascist."
Maybe a little over-the-top and beyond simple "criticism," yes?
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 03, 2015 01:50 PM (ljZD2)
Escape hatch? It's a frigging pledge. It means nothing. If the RNC/PACs try to screw him over Trump tells them to F off and runs 3rd party. There is the escape hatch.
Posted by: JJ Esq at September 03, 2015 01:50 PM (xrjVH)
Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2015 01:51 PM (EdhH3)
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 03, 2015 01:26 PM (ljZD2)
And speaking of jobs, yours will be history if show up this late again.
Posted by: Trumpetdaddy's Boss at September 03, 2015 01:51 PM (aRgrb)
they may disagree with witnesses and evidence but not the law itself.
And I believe it takes only a majority of jurors to get an indictment.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 03, 2015 01:51 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: Mr. Healthy Penis at September 03, 2015 01:52 PM (HstNY)
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at September 03, 2015 01:42 PM (tM4uk)
It will take more than 10-20 years. The first step is eliminating the local and state election rules that more or less require that a candidate be a member of the Republican or Democrat party to get on the ballot.
Though, and this is me being a cockeyed optimist, there is a distinction between the GOP on the state level and the national GOP. There's a reason why I specify what has the GOP done on the Federal level since 2010. The growth of Republican control of state government is, frankly, shocking from a historical perspective.
Perhaps its a matter of the Brat wing of the party (sigh go ahead Horde I know you can't help it) stepping up and wresting control on the Federal level. Take what is being done in the states and, to a tiny extent in the House, and have those people set the agenda.
Here's the thing. I've spent 30 odd years listening to "oh if you want change reform the GOP from within" and I am now watching massive freakouts when that challenge is accepted.
The old way isn't working. Maybe starting from scratch is all that's left.
Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at September 03, 2015 01:52 PM (mf5HN)
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at September 03, 2015 01:50 PM (NHtMs)
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And in both Guatemala and Brazil the next guy they elect will be as corrupt as the last one.
It's like Illinois where it's just a given that every ex-governor will eventually be jailed.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at September 03, 2015 01:52 PM (0LHZx)
This is why the right loses. It's commitment to 'law' in this age is naive and self-defeating.
The left had no problem issuing licenses when they were illegal. It has no problem with sanctuary cities. It has no problem with illegally storing classified documents. It has no problem with IRS witch hunts. The law doesn't bind the left at all.
This commitment to 'the law' when one side ignores it is a commitment to slavery. It doesn't make you better than them, it makes you commanded by them.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 03, 2015 01:21 PM (pTY3
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That's the way the GOP wants it too.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 03, 2015 01:52 PM (LXJ1e)
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016
Of course not, he'll probably endorse the Democrat, but he's not going to run 3rd party.
That's what this is all about. It's not that Trump has to endorse or write checks to the eventual nominee, it's that he won't go Perot and hand the Clintons 8 more years in the White House.
Posted by: Coolio at September 03, 2015 01:52 PM (yrBta)
Posted by: prescient11 at September 03, 2015 01:52 PM (q5APL)
Posted by: exdem13 at September 03, 2015 01:45 PM (ry4ab)
?
Bud Lite has a taste?
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at September 03, 2015 01:52 PM (62PM3)
Posted by: physics geek
If you need fruit or vegetables to be added to a beer, you just don't like beer.
REINHEITSGEBOT UBER ALLES!
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 03, 2015 01:52 PM (JmGFJ)
I wonder how many quarts of gin Hillary is up to these days?
Posted by: simplemind at September 03, 2015 01:38 PM (5vV+V)
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3.75.... *hic*
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at September 03, 2015 01:53 PM (HSmrB)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 03, 2015 01:53 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: GMan at September 03, 2015 01:42 PM (sxq57)
I'll say it - I'm in favor of jailing this particular Christian.
She's a Democrat. This is what her party stands for. Tolerance at the point of a gun.
Some people have to feel the boot stamp on their face before they wake up.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 03, 2015 01:53 PM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 03, 2015 01:30 PM (39g3+)
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What law? What law is she breaking?
Please tell me.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 03, 2015 01:53 PM (LXJ1e)
Posted by: Dindu Nuffin at September 03, 2015 01:53 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 03, 2015 01:53 PM (4nG/u)
Radar confirmed that Clinton had privately used the AOL-based
account, and had chatted about everything from serious international
subjects such as situations in Benghazi and Algeria, to lighter topics
such as Valentine's Day.
A.O.L.
oh my
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Oh for the love of Cthulhu, Granny Shrillary was still using America Offline for her account?!?
This is the 21st century, ginseng-hunting hillbillies in the Appalachians have a better provider. Posted by: exdem13 at September 03, 2015 01:53 PM (ry4ab)
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We jail a lot of Christians. Just not typically for *being Christians*. I suppose there's a history, though you'd need to ask maybe fenelonspoke about it. Like, was MLK jailed for that? Some would say Yes.
Posted by: Bigby's Wriggly Fingers at September 03, 2015 01:53 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2015 12:04 PM (wyNrR)
A very strongly worded letter.
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Bill Bennett's stern harrumph of disappointment
Posted by: Chico Escuela at September 03, 2015 01:53 PM (a7Dd7)
So hopes dreams and unicorn farts then.
Because I don't see any of that happening. In fact, I see Trump appointing his sister as SCOTUS judge, growing government, and YOLO foreign policy.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at September 03, 2015 01:53 PM (tM4uk)
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at September 03, 2015 01:53 PM (0LHZx)
DYing to see who will win the Loserbowl then?
Its a rare game on the NFL schedulewhenthe Brownscan"compete"with another failed franchise.
Okay that was mean. (Sigh)
I am actually hoping the Browns win 8 games this year. I have no idea how they will do that, but I'm hoping.
Posted by: simplemind at September 03, 2015 01:53 PM (5vV+V)
Maybe a little over-the-top and beyond simple "criticism," yes?
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 03, 2015 01:50 PM (ljZD2)
As a Catholic, I'm offended that you'd be so bigoted as to say "Argentine Fascist" is a criticism of the church and not of the Peronist Pope, who is from Argentina.
And no, it's not over the top.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 03, 2015 01:53 PM (AkOaV)
Not so true if you're a Cathar or an Arian.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 03, 2015 01:54 PM (pTY38)
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 03, 2015 01:26 PM (ljZD2)
I am quite certain the Hot Air button on your computer is fully functional.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 03, 2015 01:54 PM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2015 01:48 PM (EdhH3)
I think we passed the Point of No Return a while ago.
Empires and Nations come and go ... But the Horde can stick around. Plan for it. Make it happen.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 03, 2015 01:54 PM (0NdlF)
tslr, it's kind of like early 1945 and "planning" for post-war Germany and Japan.
Basically very little other than water-cooler BS - cuz what else do you expect? - and because it's basically one-step-at-a-time. Many people (not you, not saying that) seem to think the world, incl. wars and big events and movements, proceed according to some kind of plan.
Nope. This silliness is now obviously deeply embedded in our culture - hence the idiotic "there was no plan!!!" when Iraq wasn't pacified/turned into Switzerland in 6 months. (Ironically, there were several plans, unlike the situation in WWII, where aside from the Morgenthau Plan for Germany - quickly discarded - it was improvisation from the get-go, leading of course, eventually, to spectacularly successful transitions).
We didn't nuke Hiroshima to give Japanese women the vote, and if the GOP is burned down it's not because some detailed concrete alternative is waiting in the wings. TV plots are one thing. Real life is, usually, a lot more chaotic and a lot less amenable to clean "plans" and strategies.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 03, 2015 01:55 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something
EBT cards still work and Walmart's shelves are stocked.
Why would anyone riot?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 03, 2015 01:55 PM (W5DcG)
And the NFL has a secret ingredient (although the NFL would never discuss this) to it's success---gambling.
Posted by: JoeF. at September 03, 2015 01:55 PM (IyGyT)
If trump pledges that he will appoint Ted Cruz to the supreme court at first opportunity if elected, he gets my vote.
Posted by: simplemind at September 03, 2015 01:55 PM (5vV+V)
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 03, 2015 01:46 PM (0NdlF)
I will believe this when the churches give up 501c3 and begin to preach the evil of our current legislators.
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at September 03, 2015 01:55 PM (62PM3)
Is Pumpkin Spice the black chick or the one who married Beckham?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 03, 2015 01:56 PM (1xUj/)
You know exactly what I meant...Yes, we're jailing people for BEING Christian, is that better wording.
Posted by: GMan at September 03, 2015 01:56 PM (sxq57)
People don't lose their humanity and the right to be treated as human beings simply because they are citizens of countries other than your own, nor because they speak a language other than your own.
The Church doesn't advocate "open borders." It advocates treating people with dignity no matter which side of a given border they may be on. You know, like Christ would. Some people seem to forget all too easily that Jesus didn't hang with the Kool Kidz, he hung with the outcasts.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 03, 2015 01:56 PM (ljZD2)
She's a Democrat. This is what her party stands for. Tolerance at the point of a gun.
Some people have to feel the boot stamp on their face before they wake up.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing
I'm a Christian before political party, but I will say I think it would be a very good thing for the Christian faith if the government started locking people up over not supporting gay marriage because maybe it will finally wake Christians up what's coming.
Posted by: Coolio at September 03, 2015 01:56 PM (yrBta)
Why would anyone riot?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 03, 2015 01:55 PM (W5DcG)
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..... soon.
Posted by: Massive Coronal Ejection at September 03, 2015 01:56 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 03, 2015 01:56 PM (4nG/u)
That's what this is all about. It's not that Trump has to endorse or write checks to the eventual nominee, it's that he won't go Perot and hand the Clintons 8 more years in the White House.
Posted by: Coolio at September 03, 2015 01:52 PM (yrBta)
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The pledge says "I will endorse the 2016 Republican presidential nominee regardless of who it is" so Jeb endorsing the Dem would break the pledge. But he doesn't give a fuck. His excuse will be something like the election is more important than a pledge and therefore I have decided to endorse my good friend Hillary.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at September 03, 2015 01:56 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: wrg500 at September 03, 2015 01:56 PM (kQBSd)
Posted by: mojo at September 03, 2015 01:56 PM (OmBeX)
Is the Judge going to second guess the Grand Jury if they declare that no law has been broken?
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 03, 2015 01:57 PM (0NdlF)
Heh, whenever I see pumpkin-spiced anything, I am reminded of the fake ad last year for pumpkin-spiced tampons.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 03, 2015 01:57 PM (5buP8)
Somebody has Jimmy Buffett Derangement Syndrome.
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at September 03, 2015 01:43 PM (mvenn)
After spending years around yacht live-aboards who blast Buffett 24/7 and expect you to applaud them for being profound.....yeah, count me among the JBDS devotees.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 03, 2015 01:57 PM (1QsMy)
Because I don't see any of that happening. In fact, I see Trump appointing his sister as SCOTUS judge, growing government, and YOLO foreign policy.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at September 03, 2015 01:53 PM (tM4uk)
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In other words: no change.
Posted by: Mr. FeverHead at September 03, 2015 01:57 PM (j1Wvr)
Because I don't see any of that happening. In fact, I see Trump appointing his sister as SCOTUS judge, growing government, and YOLO foreign policy.
Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist
Well fine. You just go ahead and vote for iJeb. See how that works out fer ya.
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at September 03, 2015 01:57 PM (NHtMs)
We have a brat wing? Mustard and sauerkraut, please.
Posted by: rickb223 at September 03, 2015 01:57 PM (EdhH3)
Posted by: L, Elle at September 03, 2015 01:58 PM (b/6cr)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 03, 2015 01:52 PM (JmGFJ)
F*cking German purity law is about as stupid as their master race theory.
Posted by: physics geek at September 03, 2015 01:58 PM (MT22W)
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 03, 2015 01:56 PM (ljZD2)
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So the Church doesn't care if thousands of Americans are killed/raped by illegals. Wonderful.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at September 03, 2015 01:58 PM (0LHZx)
Politics abhors a vacuum. Trump fills the void or the Party repairs/changes. Typically the one who tears down the old order is the replacement, like ISIS in Iraq/Syria for example. In this case I don't expect it to be Trump alone but the base rising in stature. Wouldn't you want that? Why not?
Posted by: Bigby's Wriggly Fingers at September 03, 2015 01:58 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: simplemind at September 03, 2015 01:53 PM (5vV+V)
And here I thought I was being the cockeyed optimist.
Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at September 03, 2015 01:58 PM (mf5HN)
And the NFL has a secret ingredient (although the NFL would never discuss this) to it's success---gambling.
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Go on...
Posted by: Pete Rose at September 03, 2015 01:59 PM (TxJGV)
Posted by: Mr. Healthy Penis at September 03, 2015 01:59 PM (HstNY)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/9hhmfbu
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 03, 2015 01:56 PM (4nG/u)
20 years ago.
Now it's the same caravan, calmly walking over the abyss 20 miles from the edge.
Until someone looks down.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 03, 2015 01:59 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at September 03, 2015 01:58 PM (mf5HN)
There's a difference between cockeyed optimism and "in need of medication".
Posted by: physics geek at September 03, 2015 02:00 PM (MT22W)
Posted by: JoeF. at September 03, 2015 02:00 PM (IyGyT)
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 03, 2015 01:56 PM (ljZD2)
Well, no one is saying we shouldn't treat illegals with dignity.
After they serve their jail time, we'll escort them back to their home countries in as dignified a manner as possible.
I mean, shit, we treat our condemned killers with dignity. They get to pick a last meal, they get an alcohol swab before the lethal injection, and we give them sedatives so it is less of a painful death.
That's all in line with Christs teachings.
We're not barbarians.
But what the Argentine Pope is encouraging is that we allow *certain* felons to break out laws without any legal consequences, and that is anarchy.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 03, 2015 02:00 PM (AkOaV)
I am not saying Rubio is the worst candidate, but I am saying that I judge how out of touch a pundit is to what is going on around them, by how enthusiastic they are about Rubio.
Put a different way, there is almost complete overlap between the people that will insult and berate voters for supporting Trump, and the people that will soon insult and berate voters for supporting Cruz, Carson, and maybe even Fiorina. This next month, as Congress continues their self-destruction, I predict Cruz catches fire, and maybe Carson and Fiorina too.
It will be hilarious to see the "who will think of the moderates" crowd fight a 2 front battle and expose themselves as having very narrow interests that voters do not share. They are soon to be shown to be the absolute worst "purity" voters. They are what they mock others for being. I cannot wait, and I hope Ace stays pissed off enough to make these frauds choke on the hypocrisy.
Posted by: Dave S. at September 03, 2015 02:00 PM (mhkbv)
Amazing. Simply amazing.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 03, 2015 02:01 PM (ljZD2)
Place your hopes and prayers in the Tribe. They'll get there first.
Posted by: Pete Rose at September 03, 2015 02:01 PM (TxJGV)
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at September 03, 2015 02:01 PM (mvenn)
Posted by: Mr. Healthy Penis at September 03, 2015 01:59 PM (HstNY)
Yeah, I mean -- they should be treated as well as any other criminal. Make sure the handcuffs aren't too tight, don't put them on an un airconditioned bus in the middle of the summer with the windows closed, etc.
I think we treat our criminals with much more dignity than pretty much any other civilization, extant or not.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 03, 2015 02:01 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: JoeF. at September 03, 2015 02:00 PM (IyGyT)
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Google up a story over at Western Rifle Shooter called "When the Music Stops" by Matt Bracken.
Tell us how well you sleep after reading that.
Posted by: fixerupper at September 03, 2015 02:01 PM (8XRCm)
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something Undocumented Pope at September 03, 2015 02:02 PM (NHtMs)
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 03, 2015 01:56 PM (ljZD2)
OK, then let's round them up with all the dignity possible and send them back home. Or better yet send them to Vatican city.
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 03, 2015 02:02 PM (LXJ1e)
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid channels Red Beckman at September 03, 2015 02:03 PM (62PM3)
As far as I can recall, we did not discuss the implications of a state not issuing 'marriage' licenses.
I do know that in Illinois marriage for the sake of children is nonsense -- the children are supported married or not. Nasty surprise to some married wives when the support order arrives, but I really cannot recommend marriage in Illinois -- especially if children are involved.
Posted by: mustbequantum at September 03, 2015 02:03 PM (MIKMs)
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at September 03, 2015 02:03 PM (0LHZx)
As it should be.
Posted by: jwest at September 03, 2015 02:03 PM (Zs4uk)
I recommend that you just give a short domain name so anyone who wants to check can google it and see for themselves.
What tinyurl should do for a preview is give anyone looking a thumbnail shot of the page you're being directed to.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 03, 2015 02:03 PM (x3GpS)
Oh - our precious trumpetdaddy, stranger to all actual real-world political processes and the US constitutional system, is trying his turn at hall monitor?
Trumpetdaddy you really ought to bring either the unworldly ignorance of policy and politics - OR the inexplicable arrogance and condescension. They make a perplexing combination when you bring them both.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 03, 2015 02:03 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 03, 2015 02:03 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016
The "pledge" is not to get an endorsement,but for the sake of making clear the candidate won't mount an independent bid.
Of course Trump is not going to endorse Jeb or Jeb, Trump if they win.
I loathe Jeb and enjoy the flailing, but part of me would love to see the same people cheer Trump on for going 3rd party to see Jeb do it if Trump got the nomination. Suddenly, it would be a real dick move.
Posted by: Coolio at September 03, 2015 02:04 PM (yrBta)
Amazing. Simply amazing.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 03, 2015 02:01 PM (ljZD2)
Not deporting / jailing repeat felons is "endorsing violent crime" yes
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 03, 2015 02:04 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Make America Great Again
Yes! We have plenty of room! I myself am here without papers doing the job the old Pope wouldn't do.
Posted by: Hopped Up On Something Undocumented Pope at September 03, 2015 02:04 PM (NHtMs)
If there were no betting on football, the NFL wouldn't be half as popular. Many, many fans have a financial stake in the outcome of a particular football game that lends an urgency and immediacy to any their slavish devotion to it, something that no other sport has.
Yeah, you can bet on baseball. But you would be a fool.
Posted by: JoeF. at September 03, 2015 02:04 PM (IyGyT)
But they are felonies.
Posted by: mynewhandle at September 03, 2015 02:05 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: mynewhandle
No, no, you spelled that wrong. It's "social justice" and "payback, Y. T."
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 03, 2015 02:05 PM (/Ho8c)
Who am I kidding?! Obama pledged to "faithfully execute the office of President" and "to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution." Then we get nothing but overreach and lawbreaking.
McConnell and Boner pledge to repeal Obamacare, then fund it. Their campaign promises mean nothing.
We. Are. Totally. Effed.
We have reached the point where we are no longer a nation of laws, but a nation of mendacious, malignant, and malevolent men and women who care nothing for honor or virtue or the weal of their nation.
Darkness and dragons loom ahead.
Posted by: Vounteer in the 3% at September 03, 2015 02:05 PM (46ftr)
Speaking English is a microagression!
Posted by: La Raza at September 03, 2015 02:05 PM (9mTYi)
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This was the smartest move, but I don't know how that goes down with people already married.
Marriage was a Church institution, a "license" should be no different than an LLC.
Posted by: Coolio at September 03, 2015 02:05 PM (yrBta)
How sick are they?
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 03, 2015 02:06 PM (LXJ1e)
Five minutes later, the baby was still not feeding, so she said, "Come on, honey. Take it or I'll give it to this nice man here."
A few minutes later, the anxious man blurted out, "Come on kid. Make up your mind! I was supposed to get off four stops ago!
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 03, 2015 02:06 PM (evdj2)
Pro tip - if you don't want to be lumped in with "nativists" perhaps
filling your comment with anti-Catholic ranting and name-calling isn't
the best way to convince us of that desire.
Given that the original "nativists" in this country's history were primarily anti-Catholic bigots.
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And you can get off your PC high horse too. Anti-Catholic sentiment in the Thirteen Colonies was based on the Pope commanding English Catholics to rise against their lawful Protestant sovereign Elizabeth I. Then Phillip II of Spain decided to lend his power and send the Grand Armada to help out. Then in the reign of James I a cabal of Catholic peers who were pissed he didn't roll back the Christian Clock to 1515 hired Guy Fawkes to blow up Parliament. That sort of thing does tend to live on in men's minds. Some non-British settlers in the Original Thirteen were Hugenots, Lutherans, and Anabaptists with little reason to love the Roman Church for acts of officially sanctioned hostility directed at them based on religious practice.
Posted by: exdem13 at September 03, 2015 02:06 PM (ry4ab)
How sick are they?
Posted by: Make America Great Again
Doesn't surprise me, most of them signed off on ObamaCare also
Posted by: Coolio at September 03, 2015 02:07 PM (yrBta)
The US Constitution, according to the Supreme Court of the United States. Specifically the 14th amendment.
I happen to disagree with their ruling, but that's what the courts have ruled: that the 14th amendment applies here and you cannot discriminate against homosexuals wanting to marry by preventing them from doing so.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 03, 2015 02:08 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: JoeF. at September 03, 2015 02:10 PM (IyGyT)
Probably asked, but have all the candidates agreed to sign?
So
I take it Trump is gonna become one of the new GOPe then. Well, that
didn't take long. Although we knew eventually it would happen.
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No, it's more like Trump takes the damn oath, and then does what he was going to do anyway. Namely, run the board on the boring loser GOPe candidates and get the nomination. And when the GOPe stalwarts whine he will say "I signed your damn oath, so shut up."
Posted by: exdem13 at September 03, 2015 02:10 PM (ry4ab)
Tons of people bet on every play, let alone baseball game. Just because you don't like the sport doesn't make it an unbettable proposition.
Its a global truth that you're a fool to bet on anything but that would include Football.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 03, 2015 02:11 PM (39g3+)
Pumpkin spice beer = worst taste than Bud Light
Posted by: exdem13 at September 03, 2015 01:45 PM (ry4ab)
?
Bud Lite has a taste?
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Work in the yard for 3 hours and then lick the inside of your shoes when they cool off. That is the taste.
Posted by: exdem13 at September 03, 2015 02:12 PM (ry4ab)
Brick just works in winter you jerks...
Go Tigers!
Also I appreciate Daily Caller having those Pornhub ads. Can't wait for me to get in trouble for looking at that at work...
Posted by: That Millennial dweeb at September 03, 2015 02:13 PM (c8A7l)
Posted by: Coolio at September 03, 2015 02:13 PM (yrBta)
I see a lot of hate for pumpkin beer, but I'll opine that you'd
change your mind if you ever had a bottle of Imperial Pumpkin by
Weyerbacher. It is truly a great beer.
Posted by: physics geek
If you need fruit or vegetables to be added to a beer, you just don't like beer.
REINHEITSGEBOT UBER ALLES!
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Guinness: we don't need no stinkin' fruity beer. We're bread in a bottle!
Posted by: exdem13 at September 03, 2015 02:13 PM (ry4ab)
Posted by: Vounteer in the 3% at September 03, 2015 02:05 PM (46ftr)
People forget darkness and dragons are the normal state of affairs, at least from a long-view historical perspective. Individual freedom, for example, is a black swan anomaly and tyranny and slavery are typically the way of things. Something tells me we're about to return to the status quo.
Posted by: troyriser at September 03, 2015 02:14 PM (Bvf82)
Posted by: JoeF. at September 03, 2015 02:14 PM (IyGyT)
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It was common for Purdue students to refer the architecture on campus as "Early Penitentiary"
Posted by: La Raza at September 03, 2015 02:15 PM (9mTYi)
The US Constitution, according to the Supreme Court of the United States. Specifically the 14th amendment.
I happen to disagree with their ruling, but that's what the courts have ruled: that the 14th amendment applies here and you cannot discriminate against homosexuals wanting to marry by preventing them from doing so.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 03, 2015 02:08 PM (39g3+)
Well if its a law, there must be some penalties spelled out for breaking it? Can you point out in the penal code those penalties? What statute?
Posted by: Make America Great Again at September 03, 2015 02:16 PM (LXJ1e)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 03, 2015 02:16 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at September 03, 2015 02:17 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016
That's not the point. Trump has been very effective in rubbing the GOPe's noses in it for not living up to what they claim to support. This will be no different.
Posted by: dogfish at September 03, 2015 02:17 PM (jWtyG)
trumpetdaddy, problem *might be* that you're just not very bright (verbal intelligence - who knows, you could be a math genius or an artistic phenom). Thus your misunderstanding of the word and concept of "nativism", as well as its history. And the history of US immigration - and assimilation.
You don't keep up with conditions in well, the world. The real situation. Not some NPR/NYT cartoon version. There is and has been no country in history - apart from modern Israel - where both legal immigrants and illegal migrants are treated with more "dignity". It's kind of a side-effect of having (heretofore) both a history of mass immigration/assimilation, and one of the best systems of rule under law.
But this touchiness about the Church is interesting.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 03, 2015 02:17 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: Barky at September 03, 2015 02:18 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: JoeF. at September 03, 2015 02:19 PM (IyGyT)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 03, 2015 02:23 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: FJ Min at September 03, 2015 02:26 PM (BHcX6)
777--yes and all that because Henry the Ape couldn't get the Pope to
sign on to his divorce. Europe had been Catholic for 1,000 years before
that, and you blame The Pope for trying to keep England in line?
Especially since the Church of England looked, smelled and tasted just
like the RC Church, but with the King playing the part of the Pope.
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Pope had given divorces to kings before for a fat payoff. (Oh sorry, "donation".) Pope Clement VII declined because Catharine of Aragon's nephew was Charles V, H.R.E. and King of Spain, whose mercenaries had plundered Rome for their back pay a year before Cardinal Wolesly got there with the petition. Bad timing, but yeah... Henry didn't believe it that the money-hungry Papacy would turn him down because of politics, especially after that nice treatise opposing Luther got him the tile of "Defender of the Faith". But the Pope feared a second Imperial rampage if said divorce was granted so...no deal Yer Majesty, better luck next time! After all, what was Henry VIII going to do, leave the Church of Rome?
"I am the King, bitches!" - Henry VIII
"You can't do that!" - Pope
"Just watch me, fool. By the way, anybody want to buy an abbey? Fine acreage, just the thing for a new country house!" - Henry VIII
Posted by: exdem13 at September 03, 2015 02:31 PM (ry4ab)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 03, 2015 02:08 PM (39g3+)
Good thing, then, that she's not issuing licenses to straight couples either, huh?
Posted by: GMan at September 03, 2015 02:35 PM (sxq57)
Posted by: Andy at September 03, 2015 12:00 PM (8etFP)
The Boy Scouts of America?
You know, this is fucking ridiculous. It's not just you Andy, it's every political site I've been, with commenters attempting to be cutesy and smile while they attempt to introduce the Nazis into the conversation without invoking Godwin. Damnit, you're smarter than this, I know you are. All of you know full freaking well that the so-called loyalty pledge that the RNC is trying to get Trump to sign is NOT same damn thing as a pledge of fealty to one man and his ideology for the rest of your life.
For fuck sakes, knock it off. It's really irritating to see this sort of ignorance on a smart military blog.
Posted by: Bill H at September 03, 2015 02:40 PM (Baojj)
Welcome to America!
I had the same reaction the other day. I was reading an article about Lochner jurisprudence. Lochner is about employee regulation. Of course people opposed to Lochner had to go compare it to Dredd Scott and Plessy.
Only on the grounds that they didn't like any of them. There's nothing racial about Lochner but if they don't like it, it is of a type with the Dredd Scott decision which was pro- ethnic slavery.
It always has to be the racism. It's all we have. America was built on hyperventilating Puritan moralism and it's need for constant witch-burning. We've just replaced Satan with Hitler and dancing naked in the forest with racism as the cause of all undesired weather events.
Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 03, 2015 02:50 PM (TULs6)
That why the shenanigans during the (so called) government shutdown. It's amazing how weak Obama and the Republicans looked.
Posted by: memory at September 03, 2015 02:52 PM (I0sxh)
Posted by: he won at September 03, 2015 02:55 PM (I0sxh)
No battle plan survives first contact with the enemy anyway. You have to adapt on the fly in conflict. Take whatever you can and torch whatever you can't.
Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at September 03, 2015 03:11 PM (TULs6)
Posted by: casual indifference at September 03, 2015 03:21 PM (kf36l)
Honestly those four people did not set the tone for what is taking place within the RNC, IMHO.
It is us, all of us who are responsible. I have supported the Republicans for the last 20 years. Supported those 4 guys that you mentioned. Bought into all of the BS from R politicians that I directly helped put into office.
Not doing it again. Between you, me and the fly on the wall. I'm rolling the dice.
Posted by: Drider at September 03, 2015 03:42 PM (DNFK1)
Wouldn't it be a delight to have him strike-through some of that GOP-e BS, and then replace it with "any Republican Party candidate who supports Rule-Of-Law, Constitutional protections of Individual Rights, and the traditional functions of Government including (but not limited to) protection of the borders, culture, and sovereignty of the USA and its citizens" ??? Then he would sign it with a "yuuge" ornate 'Donald Trump' (a la John Hancock) and present it with a flourish to the Grand Old Putzes.
!!! On live TV !!!
(In effect daring the "R" half of the Uni-Party to change it back and prove to John Q Average-Voter that the GOP-e does *NOT* support Rule-of-Law, Individual Rights, Border Security, or American Culture.)
Heh, heh, heh.
Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at September 03, 2015 05:30 PM (9JxIc)
Political wavier contracts wont hold up in court, cant sign your rights away.
Through it back in their face when they try play outside the rules they laid down in the first place.
Knowing he's played both sides of the fence give him a huge advantage.
Posted by: Frodus at September 03, 2015 07:31 PM (7OAjN)
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