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Trump to Jeb: You Should Speak English In America, You Know
Eh. You know I'm kind of compromised on the issue, though I used to be far more bothered by this. So I'm not going to criticize anyone for being bothered by it.
I suppose it's a good play for Trump to attempt -- attempt -- to take a legitimate advantage of Jeb's and refashion it into a negative, but I don't know if it will make any difference either way. It is undeniably true that the idea of a national language -- and hence, a national cultural patrimony -- is and has been viewed as very important for the full, true unification of most countries. France pretty ruthlessly suppressed other French dialects in order to establish Parisian as "The French language." (It wasn't before, it was just Parisian French.) Italy likewise elevated Dante's patois, Florentian, as the official "Italian" language. (Though I don't know that they suppressed other dialects.) And those were merely fellow dialects of a language; Spanish is obviously a fully different one. Eh, it's not racist or anything. It may be culturally chauvanist, but only culturally chauvanist in the same way that virtually everyone on earth is culturally chauvanist. And I would take progressives' claims to be opposed to cultural chauvanism if they could even once manage to restrain their own hyperactive, hyperventilating culture-warrioring; but they won't, or they can't, because they are intensely, intensely culturally chauvanistic. They're just so proud they went to a couple of years of college and live in an up-and-coming (meaning: gentrifying; meaning: whitening) neighborhood featuring bike shops and cupcake boutiques.Like I said, I don't see this helping Trump, nor do I see the cries of "Racist" hurting him, because they're, you know. Silly opportunism.
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(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Furious George at September 02, 2015 04:41 PM (UlJ3l)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 02, 2015 04:42 PM (i23N/)
this Sh*t is getting out of control
Posted by: himself at September 02, 2015 04:43 PM (8CdUx)
Posted by: rickb223 at September 02, 2015 04:43 PM (wyNrR)
Posted by: JEB at September 02, 2015 04:43 PM (OiFtZ)
It may be but without that, we won't have an American culture any more. Which is what the left wants.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 02, 2015 04:43 PM (493sH)
Posted by: Benji Carver at September 02, 2015 04:44 PM (OD2ni)
It's a signifier.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 02, 2015 04:44 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Vic at September 02, 2015 04:44 PM (t2KH5)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at September 02, 2015 04:44 PM (ucDmr)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 02, 2015 04:44 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 02, 2015 04:44 PM (i23N/)
Posted by: The Soup Nazi at September 02, 2015 04:45 PM (OD2ni)
many little shops in the mall, there are--along with a few big stores. Like at Alice's Restaurant, you can get anything you want
( sixties reference )
Posted by: himself at September 02, 2015 04:45 PM (8CdUx)
Can't leave any liberal vote disenfranchised, you know.
And the Office of State Publishing prints "New Mommy" guides in as many or more languages.
Assimilation is for Neanderthals.
Posted by: Gunslinger at September 02, 2015 04:45 PM (4S7hN)
Posted by: Jim in virginia at September 02, 2015 04:45 PM (UqMBY)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at September 02, 2015 04:44 PM (ucDmr)
He uses the ball-less wonder dialect. Common to the GOPe
Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 02, 2015 04:46 PM (493sH)
Posted by: m at September 02, 2015 04:46 PM (ELEPX)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 02, 2015 04:46 PM (VPLuQ)
Is there a rule book that explains this?
What would the poor people in the big cities think if Jeb started speaking rap? Would they think Jeb was one of them?
Posted by: Frederick Losemore, Certified Financial Planner at September 02, 2015 04:46 PM (GRGR4)
It's only bad when white English-speaking Americans do it.
Posted by: rickl at September 02, 2015 04:46 PM (zoehZ)
Posted by: Neil Armstrong at September 02, 2015 04:47 PM (88xKn)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 02, 2015 04:47 PM (i23N/)
"El hombre no es conservador" the man is not conservative, Bush told reporters after a Miami campaign stop.
Posted by: wrg500 at September 02, 2015 04:47 PM (kQBSd)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at September 02, 2015 04:47 PM (XtAzU)
I prefer muffins
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 02, 2015 04:47 PM (n6Nt0)
'My opponent is of the Bush Tribe, theirs is the dirty nose sign'.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 02, 2015 04:48 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 02, 2015 04:48 PM (i23N/)
He's fielding the ball and what ever analogy works, blah blah
Posted by: Max Power at September 02, 2015 04:48 PM (q177U)
Posted by: Speller at September 02, 2015 04:49 PM (hHs1b)
Posted by: Mitt Romney at September 02, 2015 04:49 PM (bfpzm)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at September 02, 2015 04:44 PM (ucDmr)
Well played, Sir. Well played.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 02, 2015 04:49 PM (n6Nt0)
Posted by: Columba Bush at September 02, 2015 04:49 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 02, 2015 04:49 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Mitt Romney at September 02, 2015 04:49 PM (bfpzm)
A serious meme-slaughter.
Posted by: m at September 02, 2015 04:49 PM (ELEPX)
"Jeb! should start talking like Tuco."
Heh. He could start calling Trump Blondie. "You are a son of a ...."
Posted by: Benji Carver at September 02, 2015 04:50 PM (OD2ni)
Believe it or not, Iowa is one of those states where Democrats have done this. There was an article the other day how Des Moines has been flipped to a mostly minority-majority.
We are in big trouble with illegal immigration and the enormous (700 out of every 1,000 end up in the US) refugee influx as far as elections.
Posted by: Marcus T at September 02, 2015 04:50 PM (HaoMv)
I'm just a Moron, but isn't fluency/literacy in English a prerequisite for naturalization?
I know, that's just crazy talk.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 02, 2015 04:50 PM (1QsMy)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 02, 2015 04:50 PM (VLTL9)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at September 02, 2015 04:50 PM (oVJmc)
It's pandering if a pol is faking it through a few phrases in prepared remarks in a language he doesn't really command.
Jeb was in a scrum of Latino reporters answering their questions in the language they were using. That's a big step up the fluency curve (even if his accent isn't great).
I am for English as the sole language of government, I believe English is necessary for assimilation, but I can't knock a guy for having and employing language skills.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 02, 2015 04:51 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: The Buffet Line at September 02, 2015 04:51 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: Frederick Losemore, Certified Financial Planner at September 02, 2015 04:51 PM (GRGR4)
i think everyone is culturally chauvanist. And really, the only thing one should do about that is occasionally ask oneself, "Do I prefer this cultural thing because I've looked at the other options and have actually decided it's better, or do I just prefer it because I was born into it and it's familiar?"
But even if one doesn't do that, so what? We're not on a divine mission to sample all other cultural possibilities. (And the left, which sometimes talks as if we are on such a mission, never seems to sample much other culture themselves.)
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2015 04:52 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: redbanzai at September 02, 2015 04:52 PM (OrI3J)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 02, 2015 04:52 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at September 02, 2015 04:52 PM (jR7Wy)
*The man is not conservative."
Posted by: duke at September 02, 2015 04:52 PM (mDxGf)
Which just highlights the problem.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at September 02, 2015 04:52 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 02, 2015 04:52 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 02, 2015 04:52 PM (IN7k+)
Posted by: m at September 02, 2015 04:46 PM (ELEPX)
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What Trump said was okay and reflects what many of us think also. Even with your way, the point is still the same.
America is, in it's official form, an English speaking country. Any attempt to make it otherwise is just PC bullshit.
Posted by: Soona at September 02, 2015 04:53 PM (Fmupd)
Posted by: Infidel at September 02, 2015 04:53 PM (2Lq8i)
eh, let's face it, signs of cultural affinity are, I would say, literally the most important factor in choosing a candidate, and that is so even for highly-informed voters, who can talk a great deal about ideological preferences, but in the end, will tend to make excuses for ideological deviation when it comes to someone they feel a cultural kinship with.
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2015 04:53 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 02, 2015 04:53 PM (Wckf4)
Posted by: Marcus T at September 02, 2015 04:53 PM (HaoMv)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at September 02, 2015 04:53 PM (evdj2)
"I don't know that they suppressed other dialects" in Italy
TV was a cultural tide
Posted by: Feh at September 02, 2015 04:53 PM (2Wmrt)
Everyone else is being tepid in their positions or evasive for fear of either losing votes, offending people, or because they're sucking the collective dicks of the people at Chambers of Commerces.
Trump is the only one trolling the ever living shit out of the establishment, and it could get him the nomination because we're so fucking fed up with the GOPe. I can't personally tell Jeb that he's a fucktard shitburger who should be rolled down a hill and anal probed with a rusty barbed broomstick, but I dont have to, because Trump is doing that for me.
Posted by: Let This Shit Burn Already at September 02, 2015 04:53 PM (Ao83v)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 02, 2015 04:54 PM (i23N/)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 02, 2015 04:54 PM (OSs/l)
Posted by: Infidel at September 02, 2015 04:54 PM (2Lq8i)
Posted by: Jim in virginia
I think that's Hillary speaking shitfaced.
Posted by: Dang at September 02, 2015 04:54 PM (2oWD2)
Wow, look at how the Left has some of you trained.
Just the very suggestion that someone speak a nation's language while in that country makes so many uncomfortable.
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 02, 2015 04:54 PM (iGCx2)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dialects_of_the_English_language
Posted by: jix at September 02, 2015 04:55 PM (heq88)
Posted by: Mexicans at September 02, 2015 04:55 PM (HaoMv)
Posted by: donna at September 02, 2015 04:55 PM (hUdMz)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 02, 2015 04:55 PM (Wckf4)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at September 02, 2015 04:55 PM (ucDmr)
......isn't fluency/literacy in English a prerequisite for naturalization?
Posted by: IllTemperedCur
No senor, se llama bullshit!
Posted by: Poncho Guiterrez at September 02, 2015 04:56 PM (OiFtZ)
eyeroll
you're leaping into Culture Warrior mode despite the fact that no shots have been fired.
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2015 04:56 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Killerdog at September 02, 2015 04:56 PM (1gl9n)
Alternate poat title:
Jeb to Us: Hey, Have I Mentioned That Donald Trump Is Not A Real Republican AND He's A Germaphobe?
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 02, 2015 04:56 PM (iGCx2)
The proper name of the language is American, though I understand that bastard variants going by the name English are used on some silly islands in the North Atlantic and South Pacific.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 02, 2015 04:56 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Marcus T at September 02, 2015 04:56 PM (HaoMv)
Posted by: Infidel at September 02, 2015 04:53 PM (2Lq8i)
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Jeez, in Hawaii there were signs and ballots in Vietnamese, Chinese, Tagalog, etc. Probably Pidgin too.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at September 02, 2015 04:56 PM (jR7Wy)
English is the global lingua franca. It's not just us patriotic American types who want it here. This is the language of the world.
Posted by: Feh at September 02, 2015 04:57 PM (2Wmrt)
I'd think there's some efficiency to be found in only having to provide instructions of all sorts in one language.
And also, some civilizing effect of insisting people who wish to insult me do so in a language I speak.
Posted by: Methos believes in free will(ow) at September 02, 2015 04:57 PM (ZbV+0)
There are a ton of advantages to a National Language, and really no down-sides, but this isn't even about a "national language." This is about Jeb! thumbing his nose at the majority of Americans by saying, "What I have to say is for them, but not for you."
Now, before you say, "Well then speaking English is saying, 'What I have to say is for English speakers, not non-English speakers,'" I must point out something: the majority of Americans are English speakers (Racheal Jenteal notwithstanding), and US Culture already makes a great deal of allowances for those who do not adopt the primary cultural language - opra el dos para Espanol. Speaking English to a majority English-speaking culture is not exclusionary, it's efficient. The only other option (without thumbing your nose at people) is to translate your words into all other languages.
So, yes, I believe a man running for the President of the United States (at least as long as we are a majority English-speaking country), should be speaking English while on the stump.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 02, 2015 04:57 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 02, 2015 04:51 PM (JtwS4)
Pretty much this.
I knew someone who was fluent in English, Spanish and I believe Japanese. She spoke a lot of Spanish because that was her native language and she was most comfortable with it.
But she could also carry out a scientific discussion in perfect English with me (as was required to collaborate) with only a few issues where her accent caused problems with me hearing the larger words (well the accent and the massive centrifuge by my fucking desk. Seriously what bad floor plan.)
Am I going to tell her she can't speak Spanish to people who speak Spanish? No. That'd be stupid. (I did once convey that I'm not to comfortable being spoken around in a language I don't understand as it makes me paranoid. That actually applied to the Japanese, I knew enough Spanish to pick up when they talked about me
)Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at September 02, 2015 04:57 PM (tM4uk)
Posted by: The Buffet Line at September 02, 2015 04:51 PM (OD2ni)
................
Heb! He been cheating on me!
Posted by: Columba Bush at September 02, 2015 04:57 PM (wAQA5)
In many Democratically run cities, ballots should almost be by audio tape, in english..
That way, the local High School graduates have a better chance of understanding the ballot.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 02, 2015 04:57 PM (VPLuQ)
I'm just a Moron, but isn't fluency/literacy in English a prerequisite for naturalization?
I know, that's just crazy talk.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 02, 2015 04:50 PM (1QsMy)
Like most requirements that is for show only. It can be waived.
Posted by: Vic at September 02, 2015 04:58 PM (t2KH5)
Posted by: Dirty Randy at September 02, 2015 04:58 PM (xOu6p)
Posted by: UGAdawg at September 02, 2015 04:58 PM (c+vBe)
Okay, funny thing here is . . . Trump is punching down.
Jeb is toast. Everyone gets that he's a squish. Even if Trump explodes in a blaze of pomposity Jeb won't be the nominee.
Romney won't either because of Romney care, and also because one of the great unrecognized truths of American politics is that the Nation really doesn't care for Massachusetts governors.
Posted by: simplemind at September 02, 2015 04:58 PM (5vV+V)
And I deduct about 100 points from Jeb's already negative standing in my estimation for publicly being over-enamored with Spanish to the extent that he appears thinks that Hispanics are superior to everyone else.
It is highly irritating and it is not going to win him any more friends, I don't think. At least not enough to make a difference.
Speak English, Jeb.
I don't think it would be so bad if someone else, say Carson, was doing it, because there's nothing wrong with being bilingual. But with Jeb, it just reminds me of how much he disdains we opponents of acts of love.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 02, 2015 04:58 PM (v9gSJ)
"Jeb sounds like Tattoo from Fantasy Island. Only he's a little bit taller."
I banged all the hot hula dancers after Mr. Rourke'swelcoming ceremony.
Posted by: Tattoo at September 02, 2015 04:58 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: Lea at September 02, 2015 04:58 PM (lIU4e)
Posted by: Jeb! at September 02, 2015 04:58 PM (0cMkb)
Jeb sounds like Tattoo from Fantasy Island. Only he's a little bit taller.
Posted by: Marcus T
....................
He very tall man. I only can smell the armpits.
Posted by: Columba Bush at September 02, 2015 04:59 PM (wAQA5)
You can pander to gain some votes around the edges. But Hispanics are not going to come out and vote for any Republican in significant numbers. Plus they are not a majority of the electorate. When you piss off the majority, you lose.
Posted by: Marcus T at September 02, 2015 04:59 PM (HaoMv)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 02, 2015 04:59 PM (v9gSJ)
Every traveler knows this. That is why, when you travel to America, you espeak American.
Posted by: Frederick Losemore, Certified Financial Planner at September 02, 2015 04:59 PM (GRGR4)
Anybody remember the biblical story of the Tower Of Babel?
Yes, but I usually bring it up in the context of the UN or other international corporations.
Posted by: Methos believes in free will(ow) at September 02, 2015 04:59 PM (ZbV+0)
Supposed senator, Linda Graham (R-obama's back pocket) to MSNBC: Well, heheh, Trump has consolidated for us all the Republicans who believe obama is a muslim and was born in Kenya, heheh.
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 02, 2015 04:59 PM (iGCx2)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dialects_of_the_English_language
...
yeah but... Like, Breton is very, very different from French (it's actually mostly Celtic, believe it or not), and Occitan/Provencal is very different...
On the italian side, sardinian is quite different, and I understand Sicilian is very different too.
And I don't know if Venetian is very different, but I sure know it's spelled in a weird way. Look up venetian some time; it looks like a space alien language (lots of x's).
anyway, with the exception of like maybe Scots or something, I don't know that english dialects are really all that different from each other.
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2015 04:59 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Marcus T at September 02, 2015 05:00 PM (HaoMv)
But surely that will be explained away, and diversity will demand we have the first family that speaks Mexican style espana in the WH. But how can we maintain diversity if we put our own culture through the cultural blender? Don't we need "separate but not so equal" cultures? Does Jeb believe in American exceptionalism, or do we need to be put through the leftist sausage maker machine, rather than defend our own culture?
Posted by: Illiniwek at September 02, 2015 05:00 PM (6zZ5y)
In many Democratically run cities, ballots should almost be by audio tape, in english..
In those places, the ballots come filled in for you for your convenience.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at September 02, 2015 05:00 PM (oVJmc)
yeah i don't really care either but i had to post *something*
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2015 05:00 PM (dciA+)
I am glad you are here as I have a religious question if you don't mind.
My niece recently got married, and she is VERY religious. I was commenting to a couple teenagers that , due to her being very religious, the wedding night would probably be their first sexual experience. The girls asked what does religion have to do with not having sex before marriage! After that I began wondering. Does the Bible say no sex before marriage or is it just implied?
Posted by: Chilling the most at September 02, 2015 05:00 PM (BI43k)
chique, the problem is that the people who teach English in this country are EMBARRASSED by the Left into not being pro-English
many English teachers, and I would say almost ALL of them at the college level, have not only zero interest, but NEGATIVE interest, in teaching English as a grammar
but you're absolutely right: the feds should say, "in the interest of being good global citizens, we hereby say the official language of the USA is English"
Posted by: Feh at September 02, 2015 05:01 PM (2Wmrt)
Posted by: PDJ at September 02, 2015 05:01 PM (7CPEj)
I can't personally tell Jeb that he's a fucktard shitburger who should be rolled down a hill and anal probed with a rusty barbed broomstick, but I dont have to, because Trump is doing that for me.
Hey look at that sentence bristling with truth.
Posted by: simplemind at September 02, 2015 05:01 PM (5vV+V)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at September 02, 2015 05:01 PM (XtAzU)
Before the 2014 Elections: 53 Democrats controlled the U.S. Senate
After the Republicans won the majority in the 2014 Elections: 34 Democrats control the U.S. Senate
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 02, 2015 05:01 PM (iGCx2)
Not that it's the only thing that made the US ascendant, but I feel comfortable in saying that linguistic assimilation of massive numbers of productive immigrants is a key factor in what made the US so powerful in such a short amount of time.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 02, 2015 05:02 PM (Wckf4)
Not to mention those cushy board of director spots on various foundations.
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 02, 2015 05:02 PM (gyKtp)
OK, I'll lay down some on-topic flame bait.
This is Trump saying "I am a reverse snob". I am boorish and have no intellectual curiosity so of course I will mock someone who can do that intellectually facile thing that doesn't even interest me.
If a hobo's idea of a rich man is Trump, Trump's idea of the common man is the troglodyte.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 02, 2015 05:02 PM (JtwS4)
Before the 2014 Elections: 53 Democrats controlled the U.S. Senate
After the Republicans won the majority in the 2014 Elections: 34 Democrats control the U.S. Senate
You had to remind Me...
Posted by: donna at September 02, 2015 05:02 PM (hUdMz)
Posted by: Stay out da bushes at September 02, 2015 05:02 PM (uRumV)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at September 02, 2015 05:02 PM (oVJmc)
I know, that's just crazy talk.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 02, 2015 04:50 PM (1QsMy)
Yes, it is, unless you are elderly or were elderly when you came (don't remember which). I am going through the process now.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 02, 2015 05:02 PM (v9gSJ)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 02, 2015 05:03 PM (2cS/G)
Isn't Spanish the language of the White European Rapist Oppressors who forced their language on the indigenous peoples of central and south America?
Posted by: gwelf at September 02, 2015 05:03 PM (+7Usq)
If you went to live in another country,
you would learn to speak the language.
If you moved to Japan for the remainder of your life,
you'd learn Japanese.
That's a no brainer.
So, making English as the official language and cultural unifier for the USA.
Yes, please.
You can speak any goddam language you want in your home and with your friends and family,
but on public business, in school, etc -English period.
Every other frikkin' country does the same.
Posted by: naturalfake at September 02, 2015 05:03 PM (0cMkb)
the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here
in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he
shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an
outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or
birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming
in every facet an American, and nothing but an American ... There can
be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but
something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one
flag, the American flag ... We have room for but one language here, and
that is the English language ... and we have room for but one sole
loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
Posted by: Theo at September 02, 2015 05:03 PM (fG412)
You aren't even supposed to see your sweetie naked before you get married. And no, you can't have sex before marriage with the lights off.
Posted by: Dang at September 02, 2015 05:03 PM (2oWD2)
He speaks excellent Spanish.
Would anyone here criticize Cruz or Rubio for speaking Spanish to a Hispanophone group?
Good grief. There is sooooo much wrong with Jeb!!!
So much to attack.
But this?
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 02, 2015 05:03 PM (cN9Sk)
Piemonteis, for example, and Neapolitan, and the Veneto, everywhere
it's largely "grandparents talk" now, but there are hangers-on
Neapolitans wrote all kinds of wonderful songs, so while as a dialect it's regarded as ridiculous, lots of northern Italians are very fond of it -- they just wouldn't speak it themselves because they have their own
Posted by: Feh at September 02, 2015 05:03 PM (2Wmrt)
* it's a tactical mistake for Jeb to go around campaigning in spanish (given how hot button the immigration issue is), and Trump has brought this to national attention. The media took the bait and publicized it far and wide.
* Jeb is such a stubborn imbecile, that he will just double down and keep digging deeper into the hole. I wouldn't be surprised if he delivered all his speeches in spanish from now on.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 02, 2015 05:04 PM (E5UB0)
Why those of us on the right allow our views to be exploited and stereotypes in this way is inexplicable.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 02, 2015 05:04 PM (ljZD2)
Posted by: exdem13 at September 02, 2015 05:04 PM (ry4ab)
The OT does, very specifically, say no hanky-panky before marriage.
It's a little more vague in the NT (but only a little) because Paul introduces the idea that sex *is* marriage ("becoming one flesh").
But, while I don't believe the NT ever explicitly says "don't with the bumpin' uglies before the weddin'," the OT does, and the NT never contradicts it.
Of course, now FS or one of the Jewish Morons is going to come and correct me... but this is what I recall.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 02, 2015 05:04 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at September 02, 2015 05:04 PM (oVJmc)
yeah i don't really care either but i had to post *something*
Whatabout the two numbskulls who want to deliver their child in the ocean, assisted by a dolphin? That's *sonething*!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 02, 2015 05:04 PM (VLTL9)
Maybe Fen can help, as my memory isn't perfect on this.
But I remember that the take-away was that God, knowing the effect of a nation/community/project being forced to conduct business in multiple languages would in effect weaken that group, and prevent it from operating optimally.
Almost like the language of pilots around the world to be able to conduct business in a single language.
Makes it easier to do business.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 02, 2015 05:04 PM (VPLuQ)
gritted his/her teeth through the canned "press star for Spanish" or had
to repeat their Boo-Boo Burgers order twice because of "Que?" just
smiled at his line.
Posted by: exdem13
How do you say, "damn right!" in Spanish?
Posted by: Dang at September 02, 2015 05:05 PM (2oWD2)
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 02, 2015 05:05 PM (iGCx2)
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at September 02, 2015 05:05 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: gwelf
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He should learn Indian, like Elizabeth Warren.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 02, 2015 05:05 PM (E5UB0)
i would say that a purely rational case made on efficiency grounds might not be chuavanism, but an emotional reaction to a different language almost certainly must be chauvanism.
No?
Not saying Trump had an emotional reaction... not saying anyone is. But I would have to think that an *emotional* reaction here has to have something to do with a threat to one's identity, otherwise, why get cheesed off?
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2015 05:05 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at September 02, 2015 05:05 PM (laMCB)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 02, 2015 05:05 PM (i23N/)
Jeb is toast. Everyone gets that he's a squish. Even if Trump explodes in a blaze of pomposity Jeb won't be the nominee.
Maybe Trump is trying to force Jebbie to burn some of that sweet GOPe money, since people are leaving him in droves.
Posted by: Infidel at September 02, 2015 05:05 PM (2Lq8i)
So I pick up on a lot of things being said around me in Spanish.
Trump is popular with Spanish speakers.
Jeb, not so much.
HRC? Forget it. No self respecting Spanish speaking male (and not many females) would ever admit to liking her.
Posted by: navybrat at September 02, 2015 05:05 PM (ETxiG)
I think it's a feather in Trump's cap.
Remember, Hillary said this years ago, but that's been scrubbed for obvious reasons. Her base.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 02, 2015 05:06 PM (qCMvj)
The Republican National Committee on Wednesday privately reached out to GOP presidential campaigns to ask whether theyd be willing to sign a pledge stating they would not run as an independent candidate in the event they fail to win the Republican nomination in 2016.
"I [name] affirm that if I do not win the 2016 Republican nomination for president of the United States I will endorse the 2016 Republican presidential nominee regardless of who it is," the pledge reads. "I further pledge that I will not seek to run as an independent or write-in candidate nor will I seek or accept the nomination for president of any other party."
Politico
"We think Rick Perry signed, but his signature was kinda hard to read. His tears smudged the ink...."
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 02, 2015 05:06 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 02, 2015 05:06 PM (iGCx2)
"El hombre no es conservador" the man is not conservative, Bush told reporters after a Miami campaign stop.
Posted by: wrg500 at September 02, 2015 04:47 PM (kQBSd)
Context actually makes it worse for Jeb. Most native Spanish speakers would consider Trump not being conservative a plus *(coming from a Bush that's just priceless) So, Jeb is basically an inept tone deaf panderer.
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 02, 2015 05:06 PM (t06LC)
OK, I'll lay down some on-topic flame bait.
This is Trump saying "I am a reverse snob". I am boorish and have no intellectual curiosity so of course I will mock someone who can do that intellectually facile thing that doesn't even interest me.
If a hobo's idea of a rich man is Trump, Trump's idea of the common man is the troglodyte.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 02, 2015 05:02 PM (JtwS4)
You didn't think this one through, Bander.
Jeb! has Spanish speaking relatives and a Spanish speaking wife.
Just for pure get-alongness(Yes, it's a word), Jeb! had to learn Spanish.
This isn't like Teh Ewok (PBUH) learnin' furrinner talk for the heck of it or to make vacation easier.
Posted by: naturalfake at September 02, 2015 05:07 PM (0cMkb)
Posted by: Buzzion at September 02, 2015 05:07 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: Colin at September 02, 2015 05:07 PM (eoM8x)
"France pretty ruthlessly suppressed other French dialects in order to establish Parisian as "The French language." (It wasn't before, it was just Parisian French.)"
Actually, believe it or not, the "pure" French on which modern French is rigidly based is NOT Parisian French but French from the Touraine, in the Loire Valley around Tours and Angers.
For some reason, this was considered the purest form of correct French, and it became standardized.
Parisian French was apparently too slangy and has too much of a distinct accent (just as, for example, a New York accent is not considered the "pure American" standard accent, but rather is deemed a regional dialect, despite NY being the biggest city and cultural capital of the nation.)
Don't ask me how I know this obscure fact -- I've long forgotten the source of the info. But it did come from a native speaker and expert in the history of the French language.
Posted by: zombie at September 02, 2015 05:07 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: Mexico at September 02, 2015 05:07 PM (XhzTz)
Therefore, Jeb = Democrat
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at September 02, 2015 05:08 PM (laMCB)
Posted by: TJ Camper at September 02, 2015 05:08 PM (7d8Ef)
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Try visiting Newcastle, I'm from the Midlands and for the life of me can't understand them. Likewise people from Yorkshire, their dialect is totally different from the Southern counties.
Posted by: flmomof4 at September 02, 2015 05:08 PM (nSjrf)
What Trump is saying to Juan Ellis Bush is: hey, jerkoff, the reason I'm winning and you're losing might have something to do with you pandering to foreigners.
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 02, 2015 05:08 PM (iGCx2)
No, he isn't. Every single bit of polling data shows that he is absolutely radioactive with Hispanic voters. This isn't even disputable.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 02, 2015 05:09 PM (ljZD2)
Posted by: Garrett at September 02, 2015 05:09 PM (oOvfk)
So I pick up on a lot of things being said around me in Spanish.
Trump is popular with Spanish speakers.
Jeb, not so much.
HRC? Forget it. No self respecting Spanish speaking male (and not many females) would ever admit to liking her.
Posted by: navybrat at September 02, 2015 05:05 PM (ETxiG)
That's because latino culture is very masculine and traditionally respects a strong man that would stand up for himself. I never understood why Obama has done so well with them. Being a big P and all.
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 02, 2015 05:09 PM (t06LC)
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at September 02, 2015 05:09 PM (laMCB)
So... I don't think chauvanism is bad. I'm a chauvanist.
I think everyone is. I think claims, which I hear from most on right and left, that they are perfectly, perfectly rational individuals entirely untainted by emotional sentiment for the familiar and the culture learned at mother's knee are simply too... I don't know. Too implausible to be credited.
I think the contant RACIST! accusations have made people defensive and flinchy about this, so that the first thing everyone must say is "I have absolutely no emotional preference for my own cultural heritage whatsoever; every single one of my arguments is based on Spock-like rational utilitarianism alone."
Well... I think that's nonsense, and while I understand why everyone has been forced to say such silly things, I decline to say them myself.
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2015 05:09 PM (dciA+)
I can't wrap my head around living somehwere for that long and not learning the local language, but it does happen.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at September 02, 2015 05:09 PM (0LHZx)
This is a dumb move by Trump. The left and MSM (there I go repeating
myself) always conflates legal and illegal immigration. And Trump is
playing right into their hand with this comment.
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Aww, did we hurt the little leftards' precious multi-culti feelings again??
Good.
Posted by: exdem13 at September 02, 2015 05:09 PM (ry4ab)
says "don't with the bumpin' uglies before the weddin'," the OT does,
and the NT never contradicts it.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther)
So fornication isn't going to a foreign land for vacation?
Posted by: Dang at September 02, 2015 05:09 PM (2oWD2)
Posted by: Michael Sebastian at September 02, 2015 05:09 PM (Iwna3)
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 02, 2015 05:04 PM (ljZD2)
You're funny since Ace won't let you call everybody racists.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at September 02, 2015 05:09 PM (oVJmc)
And now I forgot what I was gonna say.
Must've been terribly important.
Posted by: TJ Camper at September 02, 2015 05:09 PM (7d8Ef)
Posted by: Chilling the most at September 02, 2015 05:10 PM (BI43k)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc., proud multiculturist at September 02, 2015 05:10 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Prof.Henry Higgins at September 02, 2015 05:10 PM (nbGZj)
Hungary is named after ATTILA THE HUN, which is pretty cool.
Posted by: Soothsayerwing Plover at September 02, 2015 05:11 PM (iGCx2)
Posted by: skip at September 02, 2015 05:11 PM (02CDz)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 02, 2015 05:11 PM (9mTYi)
At least the interview is also in English, and supposedly that's another way they test English proficiency.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 02, 2015 05:11 PM (v9gSJ)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 02, 2015 05:11 PM (2cS/G)
Illegals.
I don't live around a bunch of illegals.
They may speak Spanish but they are citizens.
I know what I am hearing, and you don't.
Posted by: navybrat at September 02, 2015 05:12 PM (ETxiG)
Posted by: Columba Bush at September 02, 2015 05:12 PM (wAQA5)
I'm still trying to deal with this work/life balance thing.
OK. Let's try beer left hand/cigarette right hand? Wait, how in the ever living fuck am I supposed to grab the roach clip?
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at September 02, 2015 05:12 PM (yMVjf)
"I think it's a feather in Trump's cap."
Paleface Trump need heap more feather to match my headdress.
Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at September 02, 2015 05:12 PM (OD2ni)
But after George Orwell's 1984 and the current political climate it's more like one person takes 'Nimrod' to mean a great hunter, while another person understands it to mean an inept person.
So when you call me a great patriot, one must understand the meaning of patriotism. (Dissention is the highest form of patriotism, and the highest form of dissention is rebellion. So, overthrowing the existing government is being patriotic.)
Posted by: Frederick Losemore, Certified Financial Planner at September 02, 2015 05:13 PM (GRGR4)
Posted by: Soothsayerwing
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Well, Rhodesia is named after a lion, so, there's that.
Wait... did they take his name away too?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 02, 2015 05:13 PM (9mTYi)
I dated a Hungarian girl long ago. She was born here, her father was
born here but her grandparents on the father's side were both from the
old country. And her grandmother still barely spoke English, even having
lived in the US for 40 years.
I can't wrap my head around living somehwere for that long and not learning the local language, but it does happen.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016
That is SO fucked up. I learned a little bit of Italian because I was going to Italy for 7 days. Seven DAYS!
Posted by: Dang at September 02, 2015 05:13 PM (2oWD2)
Posted by: Chris Pagano at September 02, 2015 05:13 PM (oOvfk)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at September 02, 2015 05:14 PM (+aCe4)
So much to attack.
But this?"***
For the umpteenth time, he was responding to an attack by Jeb.
Don't start none, won't be none.
People are so used to Republicans or conservatives playing defense when attacked, they don't seem to recognize a retaliation or counterattack.
Not that Trump is a conservative or a Republican, but still.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 02, 2015 05:14 PM (Wckf4)
Trump is radioactive unpopular with illegals.
Illegals.
Good. Maybe they'll get the message and GTFO.
Posted by: Soothsayerwing Plover at September 02, 2015 05:14 PM (iGCx2)
Hah! I happen to know the origin of that.
Bugs Bunny called Elmer Fudd "Nimrod", mocking his hunting skills, and a generation of children just assumed that it meant doofus.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 02, 2015 05:14 PM (JtwS4)
"Data" is not the plural of "anecdote."
The polling data is voluminous and unequivocal. He's poison with Hispanic voters. Refuse to accept reality if you wish, but reality isn't going to change for you.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 02, 2015 05:14 PM (ljZD2)
Having a national language can save money, ensure comprehension of laws, rules and requirements that are necessary for good citizenship.
One of the first indications of a person not intending to be either a citizen or a good one is their refusal to acquire proficiency and consistently use the national language.
Having worked with a large number of Hispanic speaking people both from Central America and from the West Indies, I can assure you that there are many who take PRIDE in not speaking English. (Yeah they understand it but play that "no se hable inglise, senor" routine just for the added aggro for the English speakers. And if you think they're talking about you when they use Spanish amongst themselves while you're present, you may be correct).
It's only a small number that are rabid anglophobes but the majority go along with it because it's easy.
It's time we went back to a few basic rules of sovereignty.
If you're here for a visit, fine just leave when you're time is up and don't be a burden.
If you're here to stay, fine but stay because you plan to STAY and not because this will enable you to accumulate some money to live on back in your REAL home country.
And if you're here to stay then learn the language, speak the language and shift your allegiance to this country.
Otherwise GTFO.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 02, 2015 05:15 PM (x3GpS)
The prohibition is against fornication (pornia) and is very specific, and yes it's in the NT. Some modern translations use "sexual immorality."
Lots of reasons for this, not simply because it was shameful in Jewish culture, or that it could lead to big problems like unwanted bastard children, etc. Mainly to do with the dignity and value of God's children.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at September 02, 2015 05:15 PM (laMCB)
sex before marriage or is it just implied?
The bible refers to sex outside of marriage as fornication.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (KJV)
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 02, 2015 05:15 PM (IN7k+)
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 02, 2015 05:15 PM (iGCx2)
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The cultural impact of Bugs Bunny. Completely redefining a word even though he used it properly in the cartoon.
Posted by: Buzzion at September 02, 2015 05:15 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: Bulgaria at September 02, 2015 05:15 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 02, 2015 05:16 PM (i23N/)
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Try visiting Newcastle, I'm from the Midlands and for the life of me can't understand them. Likewise people from Yorkshire, their dialect is totally different from the Southern counties.
Posted by: flmomof4 at September 02, 2015 05:08 PM (nSjrf)
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I took a cab from Leeds Airport to a base in the Midlands and the cabbie and I could not understand each other. He had to flag down a Briton who spoke standard English to translate.
And for the record, the Michigan/Ohio accent is (rightly) considered the standard American accent, sounding at once from everywhere and nowhere. It's what Jesus uses.
Oh, and I'm a PBS fiend and even understood "The Mayor of Casterbridge", so I'm no slouch with accents.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at September 02, 2015 05:16 PM (jR7Wy)
These cats seriously need to go back to school and get some learn'n in them.
Posted by: Kreplach at September 02, 2015 05:16 PM (eDW1j)
Posted by: Se Léodweardprætt Hæt at September 02, 2015 05:16 PM (0TXlm)
agree to disagree. I am telling you the CW version of history on this.
I could point out, for example, that what we call "French" has a fair German influence to it, and Parisian got that mix of german in it because of trade and because the Frankish (german) kings would install themselves in Paris when they went visiting their kingdoms.
see here, for example, stating that "Frnech" was spoken by a minority of the population in only the Ile-de-France area (the counties encircling paris)
https://slmc.uottawa.ca/?q=french_history
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2015 05:16 PM (dciA+)
He's poison with Hispanic voters.
Oh noes! Trump is gonna lose Mexico's electoral college votes.
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 02, 2015 05:16 PM (iGCx2)
Posted by: Soothsayerwing
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Well, Rhodesia is named after a lion, so, there's that.
Wait... did they take his name away too?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
____________
Why should I care if some stupid Republican president was named after a mountain in Alaska?
Posted by: Low Information President at September 02, 2015 05:16 PM (UlJ3l)
Posted by: ace
It's Chauvinist (with an "i"), from the name of Nicolas Chauvin, the French dude in Napoleonic times who thought everything French was superior in every way to everything non-French. His very name become a word in French meaning "overly nationalistic," which then later entered English, which then some feminist writer in the late '60s punned with with the satirical term "male Chauvinist," but then everyone in the nation was too stupid to know the joke or the reference, so the "male" was then dropped from "male Chauvinist," and suddenly the term "Chauvinist" simply meant "sexist macho pig," and then it lost its upper case C, and the rest is history -- or that downward spiral into ignorance and fascism, as I prefer to call it.
Posted by: zombie at September 02, 2015 05:16 PM (jBuUi)
Not once did I have the urge to berate our local neighbors for not learning english in order to interact with my wonderfulness.
But to be fair, even though I always struggled with Italian, as long as I made the effort to communicate, someone ALWAYS stepped up, andante me with my efforts.
But, it was the effort on my part to respect and learn their language that caused them to respond in kind.
Or as many of my Italian neighbors said, if some American came along demanding that everything be done in English, suddenly no-one understood a single damn word that the American was saying.
Often including other American members of the community, just because the tourist was being an ass.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 02, 2015 05:16 PM (VPLuQ)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at September 02, 2015 05:17 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 02, 2015 05:17 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Buzzion
Wotta maroon!
Posted by: Bugs Bunn E. at September 02, 2015 05:17 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: That earwig in your ear, wearing a lace wig at September 02, 2015 05:17 PM (2oWD2)
A link to the ocean anchor baby (who will be born knowing how to speak dolphin) -
http://tinyurl.com/nv5s6os
You're welcome!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 02, 2015 05:17 PM (VLTL9)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 02, 2015 05:18 PM (i23N/)
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 02, 2015 05:18 PM (iGCx2)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 02, 2015 05:18 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 02, 2015 05:18 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Frederick Losemore, Certified Financial Planner at September 02, 2015 05:13 PM (GRGR4)
OMG, talking to my left sister-in-law is like this. I said something about Bernie and Trump both challenging their respective parties' establishments, and got a lecture about how Bernie is nothing like Trump, has worked selflessly all his career for the people, blah blah blah.
It's like trying to communicate with someone from another planet.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at September 02, 2015 05:18 PM (laMCB)
Posted by: dogfish at September 02, 2015 05:19 PM (jWtyG)
I think the contant RACIST! accusations have made people defensive
and flinchy about this, so that the first thing everyone must say is "I
have absolutely no emotional preference for my own cultural heritage
whatsoever; every single one of my arguments is based on Spock-like
rational utilitarianism alone."
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Well said Ace, and it's a concise summary of the position that has led to the Right giving up so much ground in the struggle for control of the culture. But the accusation has lost its sting, and people are getting tired of the kowtowing to celebrate "diversity" and avoid "giving offense". It's not that Jeb is a bad man for being conversationally fluent in Spanish and having a foreign wife. He is a bad man for groveling in advance to people who will still set their heels upon his head and force his face into the dust.
Posted by: exdem13 at September 02, 2015 05:19 PM (ry4ab)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 02, 2015 05:19 PM (kff5f)
Is that some kind of lame ass insult?
Go defend Jeb somewhere else.
Posted by: navybrat at September 02, 2015 05:19 PM (ETxiG)
The country is being divided by leftists bit by bit and over decades.
Case in point. When I was a lad, the US was described in my textbook as a melting pot. All races, nationalities come together and make something new - American and Americans.
Todays' teachers and school books say that America is like a salad. With a lot of different components that don't lose their identities - the tomato is still a tomato in the salad and a crouton is a crouton. Its a subtle rationalizationto not conform.
Posted by: simplemind at September 02, 2015 05:19 PM (5vV+V)
douche-bag progressives won't ever vote R anyway, so who cares what they think?
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 02, 2015 05:20 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at September 02, 2015 05:20 PM (f+6Pd)
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 02, 2015 05:20 PM (t06LC)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 02, 2015 05:20 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: flmomof4 at September 02, 2015 05:20 PM (nSjrf)
Posted by: navybrat at September 02, 2015 05:19 PM (ETxiG)
Better yet, get back in the truck with him.
Posted by: Sixkiller at September 02, 2015 05:20 PM (bfpzm)
Posted by: Joe Biden at September 02, 2015 05:20 PM (8ZskC)
Having a national language can save money, ensure comprehension of laws, rules and requirements that are necessary for good citizenship.
One of the first indications of a person not intending to be either a citizen or a good one is their refusal to acquire proficiency and consistently use the national language.
...
eh, i agree with all this.
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2015 05:20 PM (dciA+)
AllenG, I assume fornication would fall under sexual immorality, which is mentioned several times in The NT. Jesus, Paul and whoever else mentioned sexual immorality didn't usually (ever?) expound on what acts constituted it.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 02, 2015 05:21 PM (v9gSJ)
ah, grasshopper, this is the beginning of wisdom
or maybe the end, I don't know ... but "resist we must". Of course resisting is just the start.
Posted by: Illiniwek at September 02, 2015 05:21 PM (6zZ5y)
Language World
English 59
French 29
Arabic 26
Spanish 21
Portuguese 10
Russian 8
German 8
Fula 7
Italian 6
Malay 4
Posted by: Dirty Randy at September 02, 2015 05:21 PM (xOu6p)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 02, 2015 05:21 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: exdem13 at September 02, 2015 05:19 PM (ry4ab)
An eloquent way of saying he's a little bitch.
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 02, 2015 05:21 PM (t06LC)
To whom it may concern: The "he's not electable" siren is not gonna work, anymore. We don't give a crap.
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 02, 2015 05:21 PM (iGCx2)
He's going to make it impossible to have any chance in New Mexico, however.
And Colorado.
And Nevada.
And Iowa.
And Florida.
And Virginia.
And North Carolina.
And Ohio.
And maybe even Arizona.
So, he's got that going for him.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 02, 2015 05:21 PM (ljZD2)
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2015 05:21 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: All Hail Eris
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One of my third cousins immigrated with her parents from Yorkshire. Here, a teacher sent home a note suggesting that she needed work viz dropping her "H"'s. My cousin protested,saying "Ah don't drop ma aitches!"
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 02, 2015 05:21 PM (9mTYi)
It's not that people can't speak English. It's that they pretend not to speak English. This has a whole host of benefits, not the least of which is a bit of a FU to America and a convenient excuse of "not understanding" something.
Everyone in Texas speaks English at least as well as I speak Spanish, which is to say they can carry on a basic, if stilted, conversation and ask for basic needs. Everyone under 30 can speak fluent English, although as I said before, they may choose not to.
It's a scam. No habla Ingles!
Posted by: Lauren at September 02, 2015 05:22 PM (bYGAR)
That's been taught for over 40 years.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 02, 2015 05:22 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 02, 2015 05:22 PM (gyKtp)
Posted by: Joe Biden at September 02, 2015 05:20 PM (8ZskC)
F**king Latin tribes...
Posted by: The Oscans at September 02, 2015 05:22 PM (0TXlm)
If you were to emigrate to ANY other country on this planet, it would be incumbent upon you to 1. learn the language spoken there, whatever it is, and 2. learn and abide by the social and cultural mores of that country. Because if you did not, at the very least you would be ostracized by the people around you, or at worst you would be killed, depending on the country. That is the reality.
Yet here we are supposed to let any swinging you-name-it into the country, as long as they are not Caucasian, and not require that they do any of these things, deliberately balkanizing this nation, because the Lefties want it that way, and if you object, it's "raycis, raycis, raycis".
As far as I'm concerned, if you are going to come here, learn the language, learn and abide by our culture, or get the fuck out.
And oh yes, if any of you of the Caucasian persuasion want to know what REAL racism is, just go into just about any city in this country and go to the Asian, Hispanic or Black (of whatever nationality) parts of town. You WILL get an education, and right damned quick. That too is the reality.
Posted by: The Oort Cloud - Source of all SMODs at September 02, 2015 05:22 PM (AYY6Y)
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2015 05:22 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at September 02, 2015 05:22 PM (jR7Wy)
haha, perfect...don't forget cafes featuring only locally-sourced produce
Posted by: brak at September 02, 2015 05:22 PM (/LZdt)
116"Isn't Spanish the language of the White European Rapist Oppressors who forced their language on the indigenous peoples of central and south America?"
Jeb was speaking Mexican.
Posted by: Speller at September 02, 2015 05:22 PM (hHs1b)
"I dated a Hungarian girl long ago. She was born here, her father was
born here but her grandparents on the father's side were both from the
old country. And her grandmother still barely spoke English, even having
lived in the US for 40 years.
I can't wrap my head around living somehwere for that long and not learning the local language, but it does happen.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016"
Similar story. I dated an Italian girl that moved here as a young girl.Her whole family spoke English perfectly, except that her motherdid not speak a word of English. The girl told me her father forbid the mother from learning English, driving or doing anything by herself.I guess it was seen as traditional, kind of like when her older brother had to escort us on our first date. We saw Goodfellas..
Posted by: Benji Carver at September 02, 2015 05:23 PM (OD2ni)
In general I think there is a majority of people in this country from both partiesthat are fed up with grovelers. We are groveled out. Jeb's a groveler and Trump isn't.
Again, not really aTrump fan over here,just observing the psychology.
Posted by: simplemind at September 02, 2015 05:23 PM (XkdIH)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 02, 2015 05:23 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: donna at September 02, 2015 05:23 PM (hUdMz)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 02, 2015 05:23 PM (VLTL9)
You don't know jackshit about Hungary's name, you froot loop.
I thought it was named after a Hun named Gary.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at September 02, 2015 05:23 PM (oVJmc)
>>>>>after George Orwell's 1984 and the current political
climate it's more like one person takes 'Nimrod' to mean a great
hunter, while another person understands it to mean an inept person.
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The cultural impact of Bugs Bunny. Completely redefining a word even though he used it properly in the cartoon.
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Bugs Bunny, original hipster.
Posted by: exdem13 at September 02, 2015 05:23 PM (ry4ab)
Posted by: ellipses at September 02, 2015 05:24 PM (e8ge6)
Very much yes. Like I said, pretending not to speak English is indeed an FU, whitey position to take.
Most often, strangely enough, this position is taken by middle age women.
Posted by: Lauren at September 02, 2015 05:24 PM (bYGAR)
Yep. NIV translates KJV's "fornicators" a "the sexually immoral."
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 02, 2015 05:24 PM (v9gSJ)
without getting into the second half of this, I know the first half is true -- they guy who's game plan for learning french I (sort of) followed was learning it in order to get some kind of emigration papers for Quebec, and it was a strict condition that he known French at a functional level.
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2015 05:24 PM (dciA+)
Can't have a circus without clowns.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at September 02, 2015 05:24 PM (oVJmc)
Eh, I wouldn't say that. You just don't live close enough to the border. I've worked with a lot of people who came over and no habla engles.
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 02, 2015 05:24 PM (t06LC)
Hungary is named after ATTILA THE HUN, which is pretty cool.
Just don't ask. Please.
Posted by: Bulgaria
Cry me a river.
Posted by: Moldova at September 02, 2015 05:24 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: The Great ____ Snark at September 02, 2015 05:24 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero)
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* Golf klatschen *
Posted by: Furious George at September 02, 2015 05:24 PM (UlJ3l)
I just don't get the anger at people speaking something other than English.
Yeah having ballots in 100 languages is bullshit. But merely speaking another language....whatever. Which is why I think this was a dumb thing to say by Trump.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at September 02, 2015 05:25 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: El Gobernador Jeb Bush at September 02, 2015 05:25 PM (8ZskC)
agree to disagree. I am telling you the CW version of history on this.
I could point out, for example, that what we call "French" has a fair German influence to it, and Parisian got that mix of german in it because of trade and because the Frankish (german) kings would install themselves in Paris when they went visiting their kingdoms.
see here, for example, stating that "Frnech" was spoken by a minority of the population in only the Ile-de-France area (the counties encircling paris)
https://slmc.uottawa.ca/?q=french_history
Posted by: ace
Ace, the very link you posted has a language map of France, and it shows the dialect in the Touraine as being "Tourangeau."
From wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tours#Language
"Before the French Revolution, the inhabitants of Tours (Les Tourangeaux) were renowned for speaking the "purest" form of French in the entire country. As their accent was that of the court, the pronunciation of Touraine was traditionally regarded as the most standard pronunciation of the French language, until the 19th century when the standard pronunciation of French shifted to that of Parisian bourgeoisie."
So the shift from Tourangeau to Parisian French only happened fairly recently, and many scholars still regard the language as it was spoken around Tours a the basis for Modern French, despite the more recent Parisian influence. Also, the Touraine accent was the "official" correct way, whereas the Parisian bourgeosie influence was an unofficial evolution, which the old-school scholars felt was a contamination.
Obviously I am not a world-class expert on my topic, but I guarantee that if you look into it, your find the Touraine connection.
Posted by: zombie at September 02, 2015 05:25 PM (jBuUi)
I did not even have a nodding acquaintance with this.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at September 02, 2015 05:25 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel
That's funny. My wife and I frequent a restaurant with a waiter that looks like Cantinflas. It's a running joke for us.
Posted by: dogfish at September 02, 2015 05:25 PM (jWtyG)
If you speak the language of a nation you are *visiting* but have not been allowed to emigrate to, the cops and the INS-types will keep checking up on you, to make sure you do not overstay your permitted sojourn, because they know you're a risk to become an illegal.
Someone told me that, as an English speaker, he was bothered frequently by the immigration people in England, who kept wanting to know if he had his return ticket to America bought already.
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2015 05:25 PM (dciA+)
That is good and utilitarian, but not why I think English is important to America.
America is an idea. The idea is transmitted through the culture and the culture was developed and nurtured in English. If you can't read Jefferson and Franklin in the original, parse the commas in the 2nd A, heck even know immediately what the "date which will live in infamy" refers to, you can't assimilate the vast trove of ideas which make America.
My first son was born in Germany but can never be German because blood. My foreign friends raising kids here are raising kids as American as mine are.
Only America can make a person of any origin American, but it takes the language to seal it.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 02, 2015 05:25 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2015 05:22 PM (dciA+)
Beats the fluck outta me!
Posted by: Dirty Randy at September 02, 2015 05:25 PM (xOu6p)
Posted by: Garrett at September 02, 2015 05:26 PM (oOvfk)
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 02, 2015 05:08 PM (iGCx2)
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One of the things that people have never seen is a politician who's honestly blunt. Trump made his point in as few of words as he needed. And most of us know who Jebby was talking (pandering) to illegals.
Isn't the Jebster also known for saying one thing in English and saying something quite different in hispanole'.
Posted by: Soona at September 02, 2015 05:26 PM (Fmupd)
Posted by: The Beaver's Mom at September 02, 2015 05:26 PM (nbGZj)
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Always described, "Eclectic", and/or "Vibrant".
Translation: Trustifarian hipsters
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 02, 2015 05:27 PM (9mTYi)
Maybe Darwin could make a special appearance.
Posted by: Infidel at September 02, 2015 05:27 PM (2Lq8i)
So the shift from Tourangeau to Parisian French only happened fairly recently, and many scholars still regard the language as it was spoken around Tours a the basis for Modern French,
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yeah but that's when the French drive for a national tongue began -- after the French Revolution.
The nineteenth century is when this gonzo-for-standard-french-as-a-unifying-element happened.
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2015 05:27 PM (dciA+)
I don't really buy this because it presumes that emotional reactions and rationality are mutually exclusive.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 02, 2015 05:27 PM (Wckf4)
I suppose Mr. Trump would like to force everyone to engage in anti-immigrant Tribespeak.
Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at September 02, 2015 05:27 PM (Ui7Rt)
True.
Like I said, it was muddied (only slightly) by Paul's comment that having sex *is* marriage. ("For what does it mean to become one flesh except..." and I don't remember the rest of the quote). If you take that interpretation, then simply having sex before the wedding is not *necessarily* the same thing.
Now, I wouldn't want to go before God and explain to him why I was trying to navigate a loophole so small, but that is a valid interpretation - in which case "sexual immorality" would include "sleeping around" and marital infidelity more than having sex with your fiance.
And, again, IIRC, the OT is not ambiguous in the least - no wiggle room at all. Sex before/outside of marriage = stoning.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 02, 2015 05:27 PM (kff5f)
Non-tonal?
I don't have a fluckin clue.....
Posted by: Dirty Randy at September 02, 2015 05:28 PM (xOu6p)
Posted by: Se Léodweardprætt Hæt at September 02, 2015 05:16 PM (0TXlm)
yes,
and I fling back at thee, the Archbishop of Glasgow's epic forty five minute great cursing in the original spelling.
It's on the 'net. Thou mayest Google it.
Posted by: Frederick Losemore, Certified Financial Planner at September 02, 2015 05:28 PM (GRGR4)
Posted by: Insomniac at September 02, 2015 05:28 PM (FGIR8)
IIRC, so has Rubio.
Posted by: Infidel at September 02, 2015 05:28 PM (2Lq8i)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at September 02, 2015 05:29 PM (Ii765)
and we still hear that until after the Civil War, americans referred to themselves as the inhabitants of a state (I"m a missourian" ) more frequently than as an american.
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2015 05:29 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: ORCA ! at September 02, 2015 05:29 PM (e8ge6)
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2015 05:22 PM (dciA+)
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Perhaps a dyslexic error? I mean, I can answer, "What the fuck is a Hula?"
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 02, 2015 05:29 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at September 02, 2015 05:09 PM (0LHZx)
It's very easy I'd you only socialize with people from your native land and there are many of them around.
When I lived in the DC area, I socialized almost exclusively with other Nigerians because there were so many around.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 02, 2015 05:29 PM (v9gSJ)
To put some numbers on this.
A new Washington Post/ABC News poll released Wednesday finds that the real estate magnate is viewed unfavorably by 82% of Hispanics
In 2012, Latino voters went 68/30 Democratic.
Hispanics make up 8% of the electorate.
So, worst case, assume Trump is the nom and all unfavorables vote against him, that's a movement of about 1 to 2% national. But, most of that is heavily concentrated in California and such.
If Trump's stance increases the non-hispanic vote by 1%, significant net gain because of the larger proportion of the electorate.
An acceptable strategy. Even more so in the primaries.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 02, 2015 05:29 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 02, 2015 05:27 PM (kff5f)
So let me get this strait- I get laid and then the priest gives me celebratory weed? Why isn't Christianity like 100% of the population?
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 02, 2015 05:29 PM (t06LC)
Or so they say. Now someone coming from deep within Central America, maybe. Mexico? No way in hell they don't understand and speak (if required) basic English.
Posted by: Lauren at September 02, 2015 05:29 PM (bYGAR)
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 02, 2015 05:09 PM (t06LC)
Hispanics have always voted around 70 to 75 percent for Democrats. They like their free shit too.
Posted by: Vic at September 02, 2015 05:30 PM (t2KH5)
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 02, 2015 05:20 PM (t06LC)
Well, it is rapey Wednesday, after all.
Or was that Tuesday?
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at September 02, 2015 05:30 PM (laMCB)
Posted by: ouch at September 02, 2015 05:30 PM (zYgqi)
Non-tonal?
I don't have a fluckin clue.....
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i can only guess "tonal" would refer to the notoriously difficult tones of Chinese, though I'm not sure why you'd call a language that (since I think "tonal" languages aren't very numerous).
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2015 05:30 PM (dciA+)
He is a bad man for groveling in advance to people who will still set
their heels upon his head and force his face into the dust.
Posted by: exdem13 at September 02, 2015 05:19 PM (ry4ab)
An eloquent way of saying he's a little bitch.
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Umm, well, yes. There is polite, humble, self-effacing, and then getting one's face ground into the dust of the road.
(Getting one's face ground into the carpet by a 6-inch heel is completely different. Or so I've heard.)
Posted by: exdem13 at September 02, 2015 05:30 PM (ry4ab)
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2015 05:29 PM (dciA+)
So... basically like a Texan today then?
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 02, 2015 05:30 PM (t06LC)
I used to carpool with a lady from Cuba and her daughter spoke fluent Spanish and of course English. My son must have felt like you as he announced to her that he too spoke 2 languages; American and English, he was only 7 at the time, it was so funny.
Posted by: flmomof4 at September 02, 2015 05:31 PM (nSjrf)
You clearly are not a Texan.
Posted by: Lauren at September 02, 2015 05:31 PM (bYGAR)
When I lived in the DC area, I socialized almost exclusively with other Nigerians because there were so many around.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 02, 2015 05:29 PM (v9gSJ)
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No I get that. I meant, I can't imagine being so un-curious about the world around you to learn English. There's a whole wide world out there and people purposely keep themselves locked up in small sliver of it.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at September 02, 2015 05:31 PM (0LHZx)
i think trump's retort was perfect.
Posted by: north and judd at September 02, 2015 05:31 PM (0z/89)
Don't know if this is good or bad....
Just think a few months ago Freddie Gray was just another street thug and today he is the honored dead...probably have a Blvd named after him before long.
Posted by: Colin at September 02, 2015 05:31 PM (eoM8x)
I have an inexplicable craving for Captain Ds clamp strips & a side of fried green tomatoes.
Who's driving?
I'll buy, you fly....
Posted by: Chi at September 02, 2015 05:31 PM (L2Ssy)
238 Spanish is the language of the people who enslaved the indigenous peoples of south and central america
Good a reason as any not to permit it in America
Posted by: MAx at September 02, 2015 05:31 PM (LAliD)
It's the basis or major part of Spanish, English, French, Swiss, and intermingled with many other European languages and yet it is considered a "Dead" language.
Knowledge of Latin will facilitate one's English and Spanish vocabulary.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 02, 2015 05:31 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: ace
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Heh. The Canadians made me prove that I had enough money to get back to the States.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 02, 2015 05:32 PM (9mTYi)
Not precisely. No.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 02, 2015 05:33 PM (kff5f)
I don't have a fluckin clue.....
Posted by: Dirty Randy
I believe that's the African equivalent of Chicagoan nasality.
Posted by: pep at September 02, 2015 05:33 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at September 02, 2015 05:33 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Garrett at September 02, 2015 05:33 PM (oOvfk)
Semi-related: there is a US Census Bureau report showing that 51% of immigrant-headed-households are on one form of welfare...
For the sake of accuracy: A report based on info gathered from the US Census Bureau shows more than half of immigrants are on welfare.
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 02, 2015 05:33 PM (iGCx2)
In Texas it's more like 55/45. Which, sadly, is why our politicians tend to hispander, but it's fairly effective. John Cornyn actually won the Hispanic vote during the last election, if you can believe it.
Posted by: Lauren at September 02, 2015 05:33 PM (bYGAR)
Posted by: Lauren
I just witnessed a conversation between two ladies working at a dental office.
Hispanic lady: What was the name of that restaurant you went to?
White lady: after thinking a VERY long time Arboleda's?
Hispanic lady: Wha... ?
White lady: Arboleda's.
Hispanic lady: Huh?
White lady: Arboleda's.
Hispanic lady: Wha... ?
White lady: Arboleda's.
I was about to tell them both to shut the fuck up.
Posted by: Dang at September 02, 2015 05:33 PM (2oWD2)
Posted by: Auntie Doodles at September 02, 2015 05:34 PM (teYv/)
Ultimately in my job it is about communicating, and if I have to act it out in pantomime or draw pictures I can do that as well.
I only know one pun in Spanish and it's kind of off color so I won't share it.
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at September 02, 2015 05:34 PM (mvenn)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at September 02, 2015 05:34 PM (jR7Wy)
For the sake of accuracy: A report based on info gathered from the US Census Bureau shows more than half of immigrants are on welfare.
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 02, 2015 05:33 PM (iGCx2)
Fair enough, also hence my qualifier that's it's probably skewed by underreporting.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 02, 2015 05:34 PM (FGIR8)
English is our language. There's a reason that Churchill titled his book,
A History of the English Speaking Peoples
Language is one of the most important pieces of culture. Different languages force different cultures because they require different ways of thinking.
In America, all politics should be conducted in English. If someone doesn't understand English then the chances are great that they don't understand much of anything about America or Americanism.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 02, 2015 05:34 PM (zc3Db)
I know ace comes from a east coast lefty background, but dude, the "we're in America motherfucker speak English!!!!!" crowd plays fucking universally um pretty much everywhere.
Jeb! is being emasculated in real time, with his own fucking "attack".
Glorious.
Posted by: prescient11 at September 02, 2015 05:34 PM (S85kT)
Semi-related: there is a US Census Bureau report showing that 51% of
immigrant-headed-households are on one form of welfare or another
(includes legal and illegal). I suspect that the actual percentage is
significantly higher due to underreporting.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 02, 2015 05:28 PM (FGIR
There is another report that says 75% of legal and illegal immigrant children are on welfare. And that is amazing since legal immigrants are not supposed to get welfare.
Posted by: Vic at September 02, 2015 05:34 PM (t2KH5)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 02, 2015 05:34 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2015 05:21 PM (dciA+)
Um, isn't it the white devils who brought Spanish to their countries in the first place?
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 02, 2015 05:35 PM (v9gSJ)
Posted by: zombie at September 02, 2015 05:35 PM (jBuUi)
That's funny. My wife and I frequent a restaurant with a waiter that looks like Cantinflas. It's a running joke for us.
Back during the gulf war my wife and I would go to a Subway on a weekly basis after Church. The guy behind the counter looked exactly like Saddam Hussein.Since she has trouble making up her mind, Saddam got a little brusque with her. When we got back into the car after that first visit I said, "What didyou do to tick offSandwich Saddam?" She laughed til she cried.We went back every weekjust so she could aggravate him. Eventually he stopped showing up for work on Sundays. Shortly thereafter he was found in a spider hole.
Posted by: simplemind at September 02, 2015 05:35 PM (5vV+V)
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2015 05:29 PM (dciA+)
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I think it's going back to that. I've found myself, when overseas and asked where I'm from, I say that I'm from Oklahoma. I know a lot of people from my state do it as well as the people in that area south of us.
Posted by: Soona at September 02, 2015 05:35 PM (Fmupd)
Posted by: Dang at September 02, 2015 05:35 PM (2oWD2)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 02, 2015 05:35 PM (9mTYi)
It isn't just about the Hispanic voters, themselves, either. It's about LIV people in the middle who have been told Republicans are "racists" for so damn long. These people are pissed about the country and the economy but don't want to vote for a "racist" either.
So it behooves our candidates to not act like the stereotype they have been told that we are if we want to have any chance of winning their votes, or at least convincing them to stay home and not actively vote Democrat.
Trump is intentionally playing up that stereotype. He's being a hick racist blowhard on steroids every day of the week and some people on our side just salivate like Pavlov's dog every time he does it.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 02, 2015 05:35 PM (ljZD2)
Posted by: The Oort Cloud - Source of all SMODs at September 02, 2015 05:36 PM (AYY6Y)
Posted by: AOSHQ Style Guide at September 02, 2015 05:36 PM (e8ge6)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 02, 2015 05:35 PM (9mTYi)
Kalahari Bushmen clicking language.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 02, 2015 05:36 PM (FGIR8)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 02, 2015 05:36 PM (9mTYi)
Glorious.
Posted by: prescient11 at September 02, 2015 05:34 PM (S85kT)
Jeb is basically the waiting cuckold to Tump's Manolo the pool boy.
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 02, 2015 05:36 PM (t06LC)
I'm going to teach you to speak English with this knife.
The mood of the country is reaching that point. On both sides of aisle. Trump democrats is a real thing.
Posted by: prescient11 at September 02, 2015 05:36 PM (S85kT)
Posted by: Vic at September 02, 2015 05:34 PM (t2KH5)
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Technically they don't. Their US citizen anchor baby kids get the welfare. But when reports like this are made it's always % percent of households. So 2 illegal parents 1 US citizen kid = household. The 2 illegals aren't on welfare - technically - but they are part of the household that is.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at September 02, 2015 05:36 PM (0LHZx)
Not another one of you *%^*) green tomato lovers. My wife constantly extols their virtues to me. I tried them once to shut her up. No sale.
On the tomatoes, that is. Well, both really.
Posted by: pep at September 02, 2015 05:36 PM (LAe3v)
Period.
Posted by: ouch at September 02, 2015 05:30 PM (zYgqi)
This is California and the language of the land was Spanish, and will be again, because you stupid gringos aren't having any children, and because we and our FSA are overwhelming you.
Period.
Posted by: Jorge Ramos at September 02, 2015 05:37 PM (laMCB)
Posted by: Dang
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Pig.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
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I must hasten to add that I mean that in the most respectful way.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 02, 2015 05:37 PM (9mTYi)
Having a national language can save money, ensure comprehension of
laws, rules and requirements that are necessary for good citizenship.
That is good and utilitarian, but not why I think English is important to America.
America is an idea. The idea is transmitted through the culture and
the culture was developed and nurtured in English. If you can't read
Jefferson and Franklin in the original, parse the commas in the 2nd A,
heck even know immediately what the "date which will live in infamy"
refers to, you can't assimilate the vast trove of ideas which make
America.
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Thread winner!!
Got it in 1 Bandersnatch. Without the ability to have some fluency in English, immigrants of any legality will lose more than the ability to annoy the hell out of me at Boo-Boo Burgers.
Posted by: exdem13 at September 02, 2015 05:37 PM (ry4ab)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at September 02, 2015 05:37 PM (zyIlW)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44F36jZTMgc
Oh that was fascinating. And I could almost understand the Creole.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 02, 2015 05:38 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2015 05:30 PM (dciA+)
I think, based on these last 4 minutes of learning, that tonal language incorporates the tone (pitch) of a syllable, so the same syllable "ba" could mean different things at A, C, or F#...
You're right, oriental and African languages use more tones...
Posted by: Dirty Randy at September 02, 2015 05:38 PM (xOu6p)
Posted by: Soona
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I completely understand this. If I were a Texan, I would darned sure say that I was from Oklahoma.
Posted by: Furious George at September 02, 2015 05:38 PM (UlJ3l)
But I don't get American pride as being purely chauvinist. Obama said our exceptionalism is like the Brit's or the Greek's etc. But no .. we are indeed unique. We proved it as a superpower, and in giving individuals liberty, separating a tyrant pope and king from state .... winning wars and then revitalizing the conquered (japan, germany)
That is our heritage ... unique indeed. The greatest generation(s) did it ... now we are in decline from that, and as a nation have been tricked into more shame than chauvinism.
Posted by: Illiniwek at September 02, 2015 05:38 PM (6zZ5y)
Posted by: Fred at September 02, 2015 05:38 PM (d20MQ)
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 02, 2015 05:35 PM (ljZD2)
Lets see, on the one hand we have a guy who says screw the base, I won't pander to them to win the general (no conservative positions) and on the other we have a guy largely throwing out redish meat to the base who may backtrack later.
If I'm gonna be used like a cheap ho, I'll at least go with the one that says he loves me.
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 02, 2015 05:38 PM (t06LC)
Illegally voting and unacculturated Hispanics are now 10% of the electorate and the matter in Nevada, New
Mexico, Colorado, North Carolina, Virginia, Ohio, Florida, and Iowa. All
states we can't win the presidency and lose.
FIFY
Posted by: exdem13 at September 02, 2015 05:39 PM (ry4ab)
Posted by: The Great ____ Snark at September 02, 2015 05:39 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Hillary! at September 02, 2015 05:39 PM (KrAjA)
A History of the English Speaking Peoples
Have you read it? It's mostly a sustained argument for why the US and Great Britain and its colonies should remain military allies.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 02, 2015 05:39 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Dang at September 02, 2015 05:39 PM (2oWD2)
Posted by: Lincolntf at September 02, 2015 05:40 PM (2cS/G)
Posted by: ace
Correct.
A "tonal" language has multiple different ways of saying each syllable, and depending on the "tone" you use, the syllable means something different each time.
A "nontonal" language is one on which there is only one way to pronounce each syllable -- or at least, no matter how your pronounce it, it means the same thing.
English and all Indo-European languages (i.e. just about every language you're familiar with) are nontonal. Only Chinese and some weird Asian and obscure languages are tonal.
Posted by: zombie at September 02, 2015 05:40 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: The Great ____ Snark at September 02, 2015 05:40 PM (XUKZU)
our politicians tend to hispander, but it's fairly effective. John
Cornyn actually won the Hispanic vote during the last election, if you
can believe it.
Posted by: Lauren
I can easily believe it, which is why I despise Cornyn. When you are pleasing a demographic that makes it very clear that they put blood above country, I take approval as a badge of shame.
Posted by: pep at September 02, 2015 05:40 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: MAx at September 02, 2015 05:40 PM (LAliD)
Posted by: Infidel at September 02, 2015 05:40 PM (2Lq8i)
Posted by: NCkate at September 02, 2015 05:40 PM (MG4zH)
sure, i just don't think it will help or hurt. He's already hit that button enough that there's not much juice in hitting it more, and the establishment has already called him a racist 5000 times.
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2015 05:40 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Weasel at September 02, 2015 05:40 PM (e3bId)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September
Actually, IIRC, it depends. There were cases in which the two parties had to marry, I think. In fact, that may have been the case for most incidents. It's adultery that was always a capital offence. I think.
Don't quote me.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 02, 2015 05:40 PM (v9gSJ)
Posted by: Dang
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Pig.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
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I must hasten to add that I mean that in the most respectful way.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
Oink.
Posted by: Dang at September 02, 2015 05:40 PM (2oWD2)
Posted by: Illiniwek at September 02, 2015 05:41 PM (6zZ5y)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 02, 2015 05:41 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Soona at September 02, 2015 05:26 PM (Fmupd)
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I've never detected a difference.
He's obnoxiously soft-minded in both lingos.
I do applaud him for his fluency, but it must be said that he comes across just as dull-witted and BORING in Spanish as he does in English....if not more so.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 02, 2015 05:41 PM (cN9Sk)
Posted by: The Great ____ Snark at September 02, 2015 05:39 PM
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Observation's Status:
Cromulent
Posted by: TJ Camper at September 02, 2015 05:41 PM (7d8Ef)
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Well, they are an endangered species.
Posted by: The Great ____ Snark at September 02, 2015 05:41 PM (XUKZU)
Trump fires at him, hey you fucking pandering pussy, this is America, speak fucking English.
And Jeb! Loses another three points in polls. Hahaha
Posted by: prescient11 at September 02, 2015 05:42 PM (S85kT)
Posted by: Infidel at September 02, 2015 05:40 PM (2Lq8i)
_________
I-40 in AZ/NM? I listened to that station too. It was interesting.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at September 02, 2015 05:42 PM (0LHZx)
I just heard on the radio that the wife of the Redskins' GM is flat-out throwing it out there on Twitter that her husband is banging the ESPN Washington reporter. DAMN!
The Redskins soap opera was just a dumpster fire; now it's elevating to train wreck.
Posted by: logprof at September 02, 2015 05:42 PM (vsbNu)
Tru dat. He just ain't Mr. Excitement.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 02, 2015 05:42 PM (ljZD2)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 02, 2015 05:42 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Furious George at September 02, 2015 05:38 PM (UlJ3l)
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Most wish they could.
Posted by: Soona at September 02, 2015 05:43 PM (Fmupd)
I think this makes a good jab for trump to make because when Jeb makes
speeches in Spanish one has to wonder who he is addressing. To many
Americans it may seem like he's more interested in relating to the
Hispanics than addressing the concerns of nativist Americans. I think
that is the subtext trump is going for.
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That is a good point, and it should be repeated.
Posted by: exdem13 at September 02, 2015 05:43 PM (ry4ab)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at September 02, 2015 05:43 PM (zyIlW)
I think some other people answered your question quite well but here goes. The is no specific word in Hebrew of Greek that refers to specifically to sex be4fore marriage. However it does condemn sexual immorality strongly in passages such as Hebrew:13:4 I Cor 6;13, 18 10:8 , 2nd Corinthians 12;21. Galatians 5:19 and Ephesians 5;3 and Colossians 3;5 (this is provided that I remembered properly and didn't type anything wrong) So, of course people including Christians will have sex before marriage but I wouldn't call a prohibition against it being implied. That seems to provide for a way out-a rationalization which we all can do, but no, it's not IMO a "suggestion"
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 02, 2015 05:43 PM (OSs/l)
One candidate is asking me for my vote.
The other(s) are p*ssing on my shoes and telling me it's raining.
Posted by: navybrat at September 02, 2015 05:43 PM (ETxiG)
Posted by: Mr Wizard at September 02, 2015 05:43 PM (eOpVe)
I just heard on the radio that the wife of the Redskins' GM is
flat-out throwing it out there on Twitter that her husband is banging
the ESPN Washington reporter. DAMN!
The Redskins soap opera was just a dumpster fire; now it's elevating to train wreck.
Posted by: logprof
Another reason to hate sports? Okay. *prints out comment and slips it into pocket*
Posted by: Dang at September 02, 2015 05:44 PM (2oWD2)
getting very close to just insulting people who disagree with you, dude.
Control your tone or there might be some banning.
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2015 05:44 PM (dciA+)
I'm personally growing rather tired not only of not hearing English when I go to the grocery store, but I'm also starting to get pissed when I make a joke that any American would know and laugh at, and some foreigner not getting it. This is happening way too much these days.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 02, 2015 05:44 PM (LUgeY)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 02, 2015 05:44 PM (zc3Db)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr.
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Yeah.
When I texted my 'Ette the same thing, she just laughed at me because autocucumber changed it to "calm strips"
I can't win today...
Posted by: Chi at September 02, 2015 05:44 PM (L2Ssy)
I'm sure he meant to write "native Americans," but "nativist Americans" is an accurate description of who Trump really does appeal to.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 02, 2015 05:44 PM (ljZD2)
For example:
"May I help you?"
"Que?"
"May I help you?"
*looks around confusedly* "Que?"
"Habla Ingles?"
"no. no. "
*picks up phone* "Can someone tell Juan to come translate for me"
"Un momento, mi espanol es muy mal"
"Que?"
*glares*
Posted by: Lauren at September 02, 2015 05:45 PM (GZ6Pf)
Americans and even lots of Africans can't hear tones, which is why almost 99.9% of them say my name wrong.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 02, 2015 05:45 PM (v9gSJ)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 02, 2015 05:45 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2015 05:45 PM (dciA+)
I go to China once or twice a year for a week or more. Outside of the largest cities -- Beijing, Shanghai and HK -- what your son got is a pretty common reaction. Chinese do like Americans but I think its mainly because in most of their cities, any Westerner is still a curiosity.
It does make for some funny moments.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 02, 2015 05:45 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at September 02, 2015 05:45 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 02, 2015 05:35 PM (v9gSJ)
Many White supremacists don't consider Iberian peoples to be "White" and would not let them join their little hate groups.
Also, Portuguese are not considered "Haole"
Posted by: The Classifying Hat at September 02, 2015 05:45 PM (0TXlm)
I like how the Leftists blame the USA for Columbus and Cortez for their 'exterminations' of American Indians while never touching the lower 48. It was their ghosts!
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 02, 2015 05:46 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: Weasel at September 02, 2015 05:46 PM (e3bId)
Well, we're boned.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at September 02, 2015 05:46 PM (EHU9F)
Posted by: Mr. Donald Trump at September 02, 2015 05:46 PM (Ui7Rt)
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at September 02, 2015 05:46 PM (pqgPu)
"
I was specifically describing the role being played by Trump. I thought that was pretty clear.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 02, 2015 05:46 PM (ljZD2)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 02, 2015 05:32 PM (9mTYi)
Same here, I was shocked!! My brother and I were just passing through between NY and MI, and we got selected for a search at the border...I only had like $30 on me, the guy made my brother swear he wouldn't abandon me in Canada!!!
Posted by: Dirty Randy at September 02, 2015 05:46 PM (xOu6p)
****
Golly, those things are pretty small to begin with, I can't imagine...
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at September 02, 2015 05:46 PM (mvenn)
as I said, consider yourself warned.
I imagine you'll ignore this because just insulting those to disagree with you appears to be your idea of Smart Political Discussion.
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2015 05:46 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Furious George at September 02, 2015 05:38 PM (UlJ3l)
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Most wish they could.
Posted by: Soona
_____________________
I wish I would have finished that war that I declared on Texas.
Posted by: Zombie Alfalfa Bill Murray at September 02, 2015 05:47 PM (UlJ3l)
Posted by: Chi
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*pastes gold star on Chi*
There ya go. Participation trophy.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 02, 2015 05:47 PM (9mTYi)
Any time I dealt with someone who did not speak English well there was always a friend or family member who could translate but bi-lingual employees satisfy AHR needs to meet quotas for Medicaid and Medicare surveys of providers.
Posted by: whatmeworry? at September 02, 2015 05:47 PM (dZGNV)
336 What is now disparaged as chauvinism used to be called patriotism.
The problem we're having now is primarily that our political class is globalists, led by their godfather Soros.
Every one of Obama's deeds can be explained and understood by understanding first that he is fundamentally a globalist.
The alleged unity of the 2 parties is also explained by this phenomenon. They aren't concerned with making America great, they're working to subsume it into the soup of nations.
That's why Trump is the first politician to speak of making America great in 30 years. Because he's not really a politician.
Posted by: MAx at September 02, 2015 05:47 PM (LAliD)
Posted by: SMFH at it all at September 02, 2015 05:47 PM (zyIlW)
Posted by: maddogg at September 02, 2015 05:47 PM (xWW96)
America is an idea. The idea is transmitted through the culture and
the culture was developed and nurtured in English. If you can't read
Jefferson and Franklin in the original, parse the commas in the 2nd A,
heck even know immediately what the "date which will live in infamy"
refers to, you can't assimilate the vast trove of ideas which make
America.
All that still equals this:
ensure comprehension of laws, rules and requirements that are necessary for good citizenship.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 02, 2015 05:47 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 02, 2015 05:47 PM (i23N/)
yeah and I'm telling you to stop with the none-too-subtle suggesting that only racist, nativist hicks could possibly see anything in trump.
You can say the various thoughts you're driving at without being insulting, just by being careful about it, and actually trying not to insult people.
but I get the feeling you kinda are wanting that insult.
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2015 05:48 PM (dciA+)
Depends on the caste. It could = rape.
And how can I be providing you the most excellent technical support today?
Posted by: Your Friendly Neighborhood H1b at September 02, 2015 05:48 PM (e8ge6)
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 02, 2015 05:48 PM (iGCx2)
All of America will love it.
And, without jeb! Knowing it, it was the final nail in the coffin of his candidacy, already on life support.
"They're rapists."
Trump
2016
Posted by: prescient11 at September 02, 2015 05:49 PM (S85kT)
Posted by: Infidel at September 02, 2015 05:49 PM (2Lq8i)
>>>yeah but... Like, Breton is very, very different from French (it's
actually mostly Celtic, believe it or not), and Occitan/Provencal is
very different...
For the record, Breton is genetically unrelated to French, except in the more distant sense that they are both Indo-European languages. Breton is a member of the Celtic family most closely related to Cornish (a dead or near dead language spoken in SW England) and Welsh. It has picked up a bunch of vocabulary and some funky pronunciations under pressure from French, to be sure, but it's as Celtic as they come otherwise.
Occitan (aka Lenga d'oc) is a much different proposition. Arguably it wasn't even really French, but rather a separate branch of the Romance family (i.e. genetic descendants of Latin like Romanian, Italian, French, Spanish etc.) that was halfway between Spanish and French. But it was nearly as different from ile-de-France French as Portuguese is Spanish. It was indeed, as you say, basically exterminated by the central government through massive cultural pressure.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 02, 2015 05:49 PM (ewYO6)
So we agree, but for different reasons.
Fish slapping at dawn! Name your second.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 02, 2015 05:49 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Fritz at September 02, 2015 05:49 PM (3tjn4)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 02, 2015 05:49 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2015 05:29 PM (dciA+)
But is that even possible anymore? For example, A Hawaiian doesn't refer to someone from Hawaii, but an indigenous Polynesian. What would a non-Polynesian be called? Same type of instance with Puerto Rico. At least Guam doesn't have it that bad.
Posted by: The Calling Hat at September 02, 2015 05:50 PM (0TXlm)
I'm pretty sure much of the Horde is fluent in Cornish. Just check the pun threads.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 02, 2015 05:50 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: ace
So, AoS now has a nontonal commenting policy?
Posted by: zombie at September 02, 2015 05:50 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: thinkSo at September 02, 2015 05:50 PM (PGh+Q)
Which is ACTUALLY more interesting? Which would you prefer?
I vote "language history."
Let's discuss the Oaths of Strasbourg, aka the first known written appearance of French as a language distinct from late Latin.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 02, 2015 05:50 PM (ewYO6)
"addressing the concerns of nativist Americans"
I'm sure he meant
to write "native Americans," but "nativist Americans" is an accurate
description of who Trump really does appeal to.
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I dunno, maybe some Native Americans can appreciate a fellow member of the casino business.
Posted by: exdem13 at September 02, 2015 05:50 PM (ry4ab)
Posted by: maddogg at September 02, 2015 05:47 PM (xWW96)
Not her someone named Diana Rosinni, and who after reviewing the swimsuit footage, I have decided to put in my CV for the gm for the redskins. Sure, the job sucks, but so do the fringe benefits.
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 02, 2015 05:51 PM (t06LC)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 02, 2015 05:51 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 02, 2015 05:51 PM (i23N/)
Posted by: Weasel at September 02, 2015 05:51 PM (e3bId)
Posted by: Infidel at September 02, 2015 05:49 PM (2Lq8i)
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Ahh that's north of I-40. But probably the same station.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at September 02, 2015 05:51 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 02, 2015 05:51 PM (v9gSJ)
When your main concern is tipping over into the ocean, these linguistics battles can seem fairly petty.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 02, 2015 05:51 PM (Wckf4)
"¿Quantos años tiene usted?"
only pronounce it without the tilde.
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at September 02, 2015 05:51 PM (mvenn)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 02, 2015 05:52 PM (JtwS4)
This will totally throw the debating advantage over to the mimes.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 02, 2015 05:52 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at September 02, 2015 05:52 PM (YxTUV)
42 percent of MS is black. Red state, no?
Pandering over principles is insane. You think gop has better shot when iowa becomes 30 percent hispanic??!! Hahahahahaha. Good one.
Posted by: prescient11 at September 02, 2015 05:52 PM (S85kT)
up to him and his friend, asking "American?!" and would be so excited
to take pictures of/with them.
Not everyone hates American stuff... (I know it's Japan, but still, makes me happy to see it)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxWU1AvGs6Q
Posted by: Dang at September 02, 2015 05:52 PM (2oWD2)
Posted by: Lauren at September 02, 2015 05:52 PM (GZ6Pf)
That's me with Farsi. Except I know how to say a couple phrases, including "I'm an American. I don't smoke, but I have a huge and long penis!" This is very useful.
Posted by: wooga at September 02, 2015 05:52 PM (v2K1n)
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at September 02, 2015 05:52 PM (mvenn)
Posted by: Gene Kelly at September 02, 2015 05:53 PM (l9UEg)
I was just amused. You explained it quite well. And I explained it tersely. Succinctly. Calvin Coolidge-wise.
I'm a victim of my vocabulary.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 02, 2015 05:53 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 02, 2015 05:53 PM (i23N/)
My understanding is that the Greek (in that particular passage) translates roughly to "pitcher" (and "catcher" for the word translated as "effeminate") IYKWIM.
But other places are pretty clear about the fornication part, too.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at September 02, 2015 05:53 PM (kff5f)
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Here, non-Tarheels are generally referred to as "Carpetbagging Yankees".
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 02, 2015 05:53 PM (9mTYi)
"Kanaka" means native Hawaiian.
Posted by: SMFH at it all at September 02, 2015 05:53 PM (zyIlW)
Control your tone or there might be some banning.
Posted by: ace
So, AoS now has a nontonal commenting policy?
Posted by: zombie
Ace is very serious when he says "don't try to make a fula me".
Posted by: pep at September 02, 2015 05:53 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at September 02, 2015 05:53 PM (Wckf4)
Posted by: Marcel Marceau at September 02, 2015 05:54 PM (LUgeY)
We could talk about Trump, or talk about the king's language, or...we could talk about Pocket Guns, i.e., 32 calibers and under.
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 02, 2015 05:54 PM (iGCx2)
Posted by: trumpetdaddy
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Is that supposed to be a bad thing? Personally, I think putting the interests of Americans first is what the U.S. is supposed to be doing. Dumbass is an accurate description of those who believe otherwise.
Posted by: ProudNativist at September 02, 2015 05:54 PM (14FPs)
3295 That is the current reality in socali. Next to impossible to get hired for most jobs if not hispanic or fluent in spanish
Coming soon to your town
Posted by: MAx at September 02, 2015 05:54 PM (LAliD)
Posted by: The Calling Hat at September 02, 2015 05:50 PM (0TXlm)
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Huh? Hawaiians are the most loud "LOOK AT ME I'm FROM THIS STATE" people out there. Especially on the west coast. You'll see cars/trucks with 10 bumper stickers/decals saying HAWAIIAN.
Fun fact though....the largest ethnic group in Hawaii, by far, is Asian. Native Hawaiians make up less than 10% of the population.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at September 02, 2015 05:54 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: The Calling Hat at September 02, 2015 05:50 PM (0TXlm)
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I believe "F*ckin' haole" is the standard term.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at September 02, 2015 05:55 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: Marcel Marceau at September 02, 2015 05:55 PM (LUgeY)
When your main concern is tipping over into the ocean, these linguistics battles can seem fairly petty.
ROFL
Posted by: Infidel at September 02, 2015 05:55 PM (2Lq8i)
It's not so much the grocery story, but the 7-11 where I can feel like I'm in a foreign country because only the clerks speak English. You want to live here-learn the language.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 02, 2015 05:55 PM (OSs/l)
my guess in french would be barre (with an aigu accent over the e)
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2015 05:55 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 02, 2015 05:49 PM
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As an experienced communicator with non-English speakers I can tell you:
It's the same. Just say it s l o w e r and LOUDER.
You're welcome.
Posted by: TJ Camper at September 02, 2015 05:55 PM (7d8Ef)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 02, 2015 05:55 PM (v9gSJ)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 02, 2015 05:55 PM (DUoqb)
Posted by: thinkSo at September 02, 2015 05:55 PM (PGh+Q)
Posted by: Marcel Marceau at September 02, 2015 05:56 PM (LUgeY)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 02, 2015 05:56 PM (8ZskC)
Incidentally, did you know they made a half-ass Star Trek movie for TV (kinda)?
Chekhov stars in it.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2621446/
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at September 02, 2015 05:56 PM (iGCx2)
Period.
Posted by: Jorge Ramos at September 02, 2015 05:37 PM (laMCB)
Interestingly enough, English is still the official language of California (See Article III, Sec. 6 of the state Constitution). It was passed in 1986 and was pushed by former GOP Senator S. I. Hayakawa.
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/.const/.article_3
Posted by: The Official Hat at September 02, 2015 05:56 PM (0TXlm)
Depends on the caste. It could = rape.
*****
Let he who is without sin among you stone the first caste.
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at September 02, 2015 05:56 PM (mvenn)
My mexican american best friend, his parents, and i are stoked to start organizing for trump. They must be the racist xenophobes i've heard about.
Posted by: prescient11 at September 02, 2015 05:56 PM (S85kT)
Posted by: Zombie Yasser Arafat at September 02, 2015 05:56 PM (lRwmz)
Austria and Belgium, no, but nearly everyone else. Without a common language, how are you gonna communicate?
and don't bring up the Swiss; Mountain in-bred localist gun nut farmers...
Posted by: himself at September 02, 2015 05:56 PM (8CdUx)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 02, 2015 05:56 PM (i23N/)
Posted by: chique d'afrique
Heh!
Just as in Chinese, where the syllable "ma" can mean horse, scolding, five, brother, hemp, "this sentence is a question," mother, and about 8 different other meanings, depending n the tone used and the context.
Posted by: zombie at September 02, 2015 05:56 PM (jBuUi)
If you're going to attack Trump, make it effective. This was pure nothing, and Jeb can't afford that.
Jeb is just continuing to come across as the candidate who puts a smiley face and a flag lapel pin on the Establishment position. It should be clear by now that "I'm an electable, Establishment Republican" tops out in the polls at about 12 percent.
Posted by: Brewdog at September 02, 2015 05:56 PM (F+bI6)
it would be like interdire or prohibite (accents over the e).
interdire I think.
corrected: no, not interdire-- interdit.
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2015 05:57 PM (dciA+)
You're welcome.
Posted by: TJ Camper at September 02, 2015 05:55 PM (7d8Ef)
If Spanish just add an "O" to the end. It helps.
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 02, 2015 05:57 PM (t06LC)
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dammit.
Now I want crawfish etouffee.
Best meal I had in NOLA, and I ate local food in every corner joint I stumbled across.
Posted by: Chi at September 02, 2015 05:57 PM (L2Ssy)
"Pro Deo amur et pro christian poblo et nostro commun saluament, d'ist di in auant, in quant Deus, sauir et podir me dunat, si saluarai eo cist meon fradre Karlo, et in adiudha et in cadhuna cosa si cum om per dreit son fradra saluar dift, in o quid il mi altresi fazet.
Ace, I would love you to try and take a crack at translating that without checking on Wikipedia. Isn't it a crazy half-fusion of Latin and French? At the time, the people who spoke this language would have told you they spoke Latin. This is what the SPOKEN language had turned into by AD 850, even as the written language remained largely frozen in stone by force of the church.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 02, 2015 05:57 PM (ewYO6)
Posted by: prescient11 at September 02, 2015 05:57 PM (S85kT)
In many ways, this is the story of Paulo.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at September 02, 2015 05:57 PM (VPLuQ)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 02, 2015 05:57 PM (i23N/)
And I don't know if Venetian is very different, but I sure know it's spelled in a weird way. Look up venetian some time; it looks like a space alien language (lots of x's). "
When I was in Italy, in a small town between vicenza and Padua, I saw some handmade posters taped to trees that had photos and poems on them. I took a photo, then asked a guy in Genoa (not that far away) to tell me what this weird thing was about, as there were also drawings that seemed pretty obscene for public consumption across the street from a church. He wrote back that he could not translate it because it was in the Venetian dialect and that they had many colloquialisms and phrases that he did not understand. Then he added "the Venetians are an interesting people"
Then when I was visiting Doha where my niece is an expat, there was a group of Italian expats who hung out together, all from different parts of northern Italy and I was told by them that even 20 kilometers away the dialects can be so dissent as to not be understood! It has a lot to do with the fact that most Italians rarely travel outside their own town. There no need to. There is no generica like there is here. Not many chain stores. Mostly mom and pop shops and people generally are born, grow up, marry, have children and die in the same town. One of my daughter's Italian friends had said to me that I've probably seen more of Italy than she has.
Posted by: Auntie Doodles at September 02, 2015 05:57 PM (teYv/)
Posted by: Marcel Marceau at September 02, 2015 05:57 PM (LUgeY)
Posted by: zombie at September 02, 2015 05:50 PM (jBuUi)
That was a good one....
Click* Tic-tic * Click!
Posted by: Dirty Randy at September 02, 2015 05:57 PM (xOu6p)
Um, isn't it the white devils who brought Spanish to their countries in the first place?
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 02, 2015 05:35 PM (v9gSJ)
Many White supremacists don't consider Iberian peoples to be "White" and would not let them join their little hate groups.
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Historically ironic since Hernan Cortes was very much "White" as a Christian Castilian gentleman and Renaissance-era European in general. Anyone in 1518 who would have called him "non-white" to his face would have gotten a foot of Toledo steel in themselves for the insult.
Posted by: exdem13 at September 02, 2015 05:58 PM (ry4ab)
think putting the interests of Americans first is what the U.S. is
supposed to be doing. Dumbass is an accurate description of those who
believe otherwise.
Posted by: ProudNativist
No kidding. Are Americans the only people who think it's cool to believe their country sucks? Are there Germans or Italians or French citizens who constantly run down their own country?
Posted by: Dang at September 02, 2015 05:58 PM (2oWD2)
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2015 05:44 PM (dciA+)
--Let it be so!
Posted by: logprof at September 02, 2015 05:58 PM (vsbNu)
No, but a bar raye [accent on the e] is a striped bass.
Hey, fish are important.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 02, 2015 05:58 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 02, 2015 05:57 PM
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Oh, right. Yes, of course. I see you're multi-lingual as well!
Posted by: TJ Camper at September 02, 2015 05:58 PM (7d8Ef)
So it's legally / formally four countries: Dutch-speaking ( Flemish ), French-speaking, the German-speaking cantons stolen from Germany after WWI, and Brussels
language does matter
Posted by: himself at September 02, 2015 05:58 PM (8CdUx)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick)
True, but it is also true that most Americans would regard most African languages as "obscure" (as I characterized them), in the sense of "I've never heard of it, nor know anyone who speaks it!"
The only tonal language that is a major world language is Chinese (in its variants - - Mandarin, Cantonese, etc.).
Posted by: zombie at September 02, 2015 05:59 PM (jBuUi)
"I just heard on the radio that the wife of the Redskins' GM is
flat-out throwing it out there on Twitter that her husband is banging
the ESPN Washington reporter. DAMN!"
Damn is right. I just saw that the alleged reporter is Diana Russini. She is majorly hot and come to think of it breaks a lot of Redskins stories. Hmmm.
Posted by: Benji Carver at September 02, 2015 06:00 PM (OD2ni)
They are called "democrats".
We suck, so screw us.
That should be abundantly clear by now.
Posted by: navybrat at September 02, 2015 06:00 PM (ETxiG)
Posted by: Auntie Doodles at September 02, 2015 06:00 PM (teYv/)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 02, 2015 06:01 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 02, 2015 06:01 PM (v9gSJ)
I didn't think anyone was trying to get hired in California. I thought all the people who lived there were all signed up for government benefits. That all the work was done by people who lived in other states and just drove in every day. Sorta like area 51.
Posted by: what? at September 02, 2015 06:02 PM (PGh+Q)
He speaks excellent Spanish.
Would anyone here criticize Cruz or Rubio for speaking Spanish to a Hispanophone group?
Good grief. There is sooooo much wrong with Jeb!!!
So much to attack.
But this?
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 02, 2015 05:03 PM (cN9Sk)
I gather he was speaking to a group of Latino presstitutes. Fine. Let him speak English to them. The entire purpose of a foreign-language press within a country is to convey news and information to the speakers of that language. Which means the reporters and editors of that press should be fluent in the dominant language. They will understand him just fine if he speaks English. Moreso, so will all the English-speaking Americans. That matters.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 02, 2015 06:02 PM (aRgrb)
Not everyone hates American stuff... (I know it's Japan, but still, makes me happy to see it)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxWU1AvGs6Q
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Oh!! I didn't know the greasers and bobby soxers were still grovin' at Yayogi Park! Not as many as before, but it's good to see it still happening.
Posted by: exdem13 at September 02, 2015 06:02 PM (ry4ab)
The only tonal language that is a major world language is Chinese (in its variants - - Mandarin, Cantonese, etc.).
Posted by: zombie at September 02, 2015 05:59 PM (jBuUi)
I guess. I will try not to be offended.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 02, 2015 06:03 PM (v9gSJ)
It's not about cultural chauvanism its about making sure the body politic doesn't become split, then divided, and pitted against each other, by an artificial barrier of being unable to clearly hear and understand what is being told to the other group.
Politics should be done in one language and one language only. Otherwise its divisional and exclusive, something not befitting a supposedly free Republic.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at September 02, 2015 06:03 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Weasel at September 02, 2015 05:46 PM (e3bId)
@399 maddogg
--It's not Britt McHennry; her name is Diana or Diane something. Name did not ring a bell, but in one of the tweets the wife blasted she called the reporter a "5.5"
Another tweet asked her how many bjs she had to give to get her stories.
Fail to the Redskins.
Posted by: logprof at September 02, 2015 06:03 PM (vsbNu)
There ya go. Participation trophy.
Posted by: Mike Hammer,
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Thanks, man.
How'd he do?
Posted by: Chi at September 02, 2015 06:03 PM (L2Ssy)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel
That's funny. My wife and I frequent a restaurant with a waiter that looks like Cantinflas. It's a running joke for us.
Posted by: dogfish at September 02, 2015 05:25 PM (jWtyG)
Yeah. That made me laugh.
When I was a little boy in Texas, they used to run Cantiflas movies on occasion in the afternoons or late at night or Saturaday afternoon.
Posted by: naturalfake at September 02, 2015 06:04 PM (0cMkb)
Here's an interesting clip on the many, sometimes mutually unintelligible, dialects of Italian:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwerQt0yOAk
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at September 02, 2015 06:04 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: rrpjr at September 02, 2015 06:05 PM (s/yC1)
Accent on the I in excluido --- if Pixy will allow.
Some can do the marks. Some can't.
*sigh*
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 02, 2015 06:05 PM (cN9Sk)
Sure does, but it's not, not any more. The declensions are almost all gone, obvious French forms are emerging, and others probably STILL don't reflect the way it was spoken at the time. The French part of the Strasbourg Oaths begins with the word "Pro" ("for"; "Pro Deo amur" literally = "For the love of God."), but there's little doubt the word was popularly pronounced as "pour" by then.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 02, 2015 06:05 PM (ewYO6)
Posted by: pep at September 02, 2015 06:05 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: zombie at September 02, 2015 06:06 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: exdem13 at September 02, 2015 06:06 PM (ry4ab)
Why those of us on the right allow our views to be exploited and stereotypes in this way is inexplicable.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at September 02, 2015 05:04 PM (ljZD2)
It's really droll that you think that self-declared conservatives here are supporting Trump because they've been bamboozled into believing he's "conservative". No, they are supporting Trump because it's a big "Fuck You" to your pals in the GOPe.
But keep on beating that horse. It's past caring.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 02, 2015 06:06 PM (aRgrb)
Posted by: Brewdog at September 02, 2015 05:56 PM (F+bI6)
Yes, but we swoon over electable, Establishment Republicans.
Posted by: The Donors at September 02, 2015 06:09 PM (laMCB)
So it's legally / formally four countries: Dutch-speaking ( Flemish ), French-speaking, the German-speaking cantons stolen from Germany after WWI, and Brussels
language does matter
Posted by: himself at September 02, 2015 05:58 PM (8CdUx)
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Ex bro-in-law was Belgian, from the Flemish side. HATED the French-speaking Walloons. Well, and the French in general and on principle.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at September 02, 2015 06:10 PM (jR7Wy)
Here's an interesting clip on the many, sometimes mutually unintelligible, dialects of Italian:
Fascinating. Which is why I've been dicking around in the office even though it's gin and tonic time.
And you delayed mine by another five minutes there.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 02, 2015 06:11 PM (JtwS4)
no it took like three, but I'm finally getting there.
The Michel Thomas tapes just kicked me up a couple of levels.
I'd recommend them for anyone learning any of the languages he teaches.
Posted by: ace at September 02, 2015 06:11 PM (dciA+)
I fucking love language change. Love it.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 02, 2015 06:11 PM (ewYO6)
Posted by: eman at September 02, 2015 06:12 PM (mR7Es)
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Maybe grading on a curve. On the Italian Scoville Scale of Hotness, she's merely an "eeehhhhh" *makes back-and-forth meh motion with hand*
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at September 02, 2015 06:13 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: Al Swearingen at September 02, 2015 06:13 PM (vsbNu)
Posted by: Auntie Doodles at September 02, 2015 06:13 PM (teYv/)
Posted by: weGetDemocratPresident at September 02, 2015 06:13 PM (PGh+Q)
And you delayed mine by another five minutes there.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 02, 2015 06:11 PM (JtwS4)
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Sexual and alcoholic continence are their own reward.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at September 02, 2015 06:15 PM (jR7Wy)
As a geographical footnote, if you've wondered why the island is called Great Britain, it's because Brittany in ancient times was referred to as Britannia Minor.
Posted by: logprof at September 02, 2015 06:16 PM (vsbNu)
*narrows eyes*
I shall leave all of the things unsaid.
Arrivederci.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 02, 2015 06:17 PM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Accent owner at September 02, 2015 06:17 PM (PGh+Q)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at September 02, 2015 06:15 PM
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Never been there, but I've only been to three continence.
Posted by: TJ Camper at September 02, 2015 06:17 PM (7d8Ef)
Funny thing is some Indians bought the convenience store down the street from my house, they've only been in the country for 3 years and speed damn good English. Now compare that to a Mexican standing in line having to point at a pack of smokes because he cant say Marlboro lights.
I guess for me being a conservative its a money issue more than a national language. or maybe both. But mostly money, just seems like common sense and to stream line time spent. But i sure do love me some good tacos tho.
Jeb can kiss my arse, i don't like him at all. Every time he speaks broken Spanish i wanna just stick a taco in his mouth, soaked in Chinese pepper paste.
Posted by: Frodus at September 02, 2015 06:18 PM (7OAjN)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at September 02, 2015 06:18 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: Jeff B./i]
RIght now I'm in the middle of watching the Director's Cut of "Gangs of New York," and in the preparation for the film, Daniel Day-Lewis spent nearly a year trying to learn and perfect what a New York accent in 1846 sounded like. He pulled it off perfectly, Very very interesting -- you can hear the transition from Revolutionary War English to 20th-century New York accent very distinctly. He even listened over and over to some of the earliest sound recordings ever made, which were of Walt Whitman reading his poetry. Whitman grew up in the 1820s and 1830s in New York, and kept that accent for his whole life, so those recordings were basically the only surviving example of a living speaker of the accent Day-Lewis was trying to master.
Posted by: zombie at September 02, 2015 06:18 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: The Accented Hat at September 02, 2015 06:18 PM (0TXlm)
Posted by: zombie at September 02, 2015 06:18 PM (jBuUi)
My mom learned to speak English from watching American television.
I have no sympathy for those who are here for decades and don't learn.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at September 02, 2015 06:19 PM (uhftQ)
Posted by: Coureur de Bois at September 02, 2015 06:21 PM (vsbNu)
Nah, not really. First of all, Breton has undergone a real vocabulary shift under the influence of French, as well as some major pronunciation changes as well because of this. Welsh is easily the closest surviving tongue to what the inhabitants of non-Roman Britain spoke prior to the Anglo-Saxon conquest. Which is why we call that part of the Celtic family "Brythonic," not coincidentally.
But far more importantly, NONE of the surviving Celtic tongues (Gaelic, Welsh, Cornish, Breton) really sound anything like what the inhabitants of the British Isles spoke at the time of Rome's conquest of Britain for the simple reason that all the Celtic languages underwent a truly remarkable and bizarre mutation within the historical period (around 200-600 AD) that turned them from a language family that somewhat resembled Latin in many structual ways into the near incomprehensible puddle of consonants and conjugations that Irish and Welsh are today. The reasons for the rapid mutation are poorly understood and mysterious, but suffice it to say they dropped nearly all their endings, began word-initial funkiness, introduced crazy lenition, etc.
Gaulish, famously, resembled Latin closely enough that Caesar insisted all his battle plans be written in Greek lest they fall into Gaulish hands. By the time that written Gaelic and Welsh emerged (c. AD 700), those languages...did not.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 02, 2015 06:23 PM (ewYO6)
You know nothing of our work.
Posted by: Texans at September 02, 2015 06:24 PM (OGm46)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at September 02, 2015 06:18 PM (jR7Wy)
--Archimedes was geographically a Sicilian.
Posted by: logprof at September 02, 2015 06:33 PM (vsbNu)
Posted by: The Manx at September 02, 2015 06:34 PM (vsbNu)
Posted by: Auntie Doodles at September 02, 2015 06:40 PM (teYv/)
Posted by: logprof at September 02, 2015 06:33 PM (vsbNu)
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Check out the largest transport ship in antiquity, the "Syracusia", designed by Archimedes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syracusia
Amenities included a library, gymnasium, and temple to Aphrodite (nudge nudge wink wink).
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at September 02, 2015 06:40 PM (jR7Wy)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italo-Dalmatian_languages
(Sardinian is so close to Latin that some consider it pre-Romance, so I don't count that.)
The Dalmatians in Dalmatia now speak Croatian although they're still Catholic and still know they aren't Serbs. The Istrians are the next group west.
At some point people just decide to call the language "Italian". That the line is drawn at what just happens to be the modern Italian-Croatian border seems like politics to me.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 02, 2015 07:21 PM (AVEe1)
What Jeff said. Here's Ogham-era Irish -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primitive_Irish
To me this looks like old Latin. At least in grammar.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 02, 2015 07:27 PM (AVEe1)
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