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Sept 2, 1945

The signing of the Japanese Instrument of Surrender. That's what we called victory back then, we win you surrender.

It was about now or an hour ago, 70 years ago. It's around 10:30am local time, Sept. 2 in Tokyo.

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Posted by: Dave In Texas at 09:26 PM




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1 1st?

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2015 09:28 PM (jMMCO)

2 my late FiL was there, up on the signal bridge of The Showboat, BB-55, USS North Carolina.

RIP, you crotchety old bastard, and thanks for the wonderful woman i live with.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2015 09:29 PM (jMMCO)

3 So . . . you're saying "victory" isn't where you drop everything and hightail it back to the cocktail parties in D.C. and leave the theater to be re-taken by your adversaries . . . or worse?

The DEVIL you say!

Posted by: filbert at September 01, 2015 09:29 PM (JvPqF)

4 Fresh thread.
Smells like...victory.

Posted by: Pilot141 at September 01, 2015 09:29 PM (KpCv4)

5 filbert,

Heh.

Hardly.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at September 01, 2015 09:30 PM (zyIlW)

6 Surrender? People still do that besides us?

Posted by: Frank G at September 01, 2015 09:32 PM (FiWUs)

7 Surrender? People still do that besides us?


Posted by: Frank G at September 01, 2015 09:32 PM



Dude, it was like, a hundred years ago.

Posted by: Ezra Klein at September 01, 2015 09:35 PM (bynk/)

8 We were a great nation back then. Our people were a great people. The world called us Americans. Today that is not the case. Today we are a weak nation. We (some of us) call ourselves whatthefcukever-Americans. We could not win WWII again, especially as we are configured today. Makes one weep.

Posted by: Eromero at September 01, 2015 09:35 PM (go5uR)

9 I miss Rocky. I used to be able to walk next door & ask him about stuff like this...

Posted by: Chi at September 01, 2015 09:36 PM (snXEy)

10 Just finished the Pacific for the second time. Much different than Band of Brothers, but still powerful. I had already read Sledge's and Leckie's memoirs when I watched it the first time, so I was prepared for a darker dramatization.

Some among the angsty youngster crowd might hate this, but I am proud that my grandpa had hands on the Enola Gay, as a Boeing machinist and engineer. Good men and women doing the hard things.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 01, 2015 09:37 PM (frWac)

11 I wonder who the two guys are with the French looking hats. I'm guessing they heard there was going to be a surrender and they had to hurry over..

Posted by: Dave, exiled in RI at September 01, 2015 09:37 PM (BpZs+)

12 >>> That's what we called victory back then, we win you surrender.

And it didn't come cheaply.

Posted by: fluffy at September 01, 2015 09:37 PM (2iV3X)

13 *pours shot*

To a truly great generation that did what had to be done.

Eromero, as do I.

Hey Chi : )

Posted by: SMFH at it all at September 01, 2015 09:38 PM (zyIlW)

14 My Dad and my Uncle made war 70-some years ago. We would be well advised to follow their example in our dealings with the religion of peace. They were studs though and, along with millions of others, had a serious single mindedness about our place in the world. 70 years from now it will be time for mid-day prayers I suppose.

Posted by: goon at September 01, 2015 09:39 PM (gy5kE)

15 An earlier time, featuring a different people. A different nation.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 01, 2015 09:39 PM (TOk1P)

16 the Fwench were allegedly our Allies back then...

some of them even fought on our side.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2015 09:39 PM (jMMCO)

17 Mom would be 95 this year.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 01, 2015 09:39 PM (3pRHP)

18 Posted by: filbert at September 01, 2015 09:29 PM (JvPqF)

"Hightail" that sounds so judgmental.

Reorganization of troop strategy seems inocous

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 01, 2015 09:39 PM (vM+YG)

19 Is it okray to come out now?

Posted by: Old Jap still holed up in a cave at September 01, 2015 09:40 PM (Dwehj)

20 We'd have been better off if we lost.

Posted by: Jack at September 01, 2015 09:40 PM (53CCM)

21 Watching "Meet John Doe" on TCM.


Wow. Yeah, it's old and corny. But-

Man, is it on target about politics and America these days.

Unbelievable.


I suggest all morons watch it. And no, I'm not kidding.


As a sidenote - Frank Capra was actually a conservative Republican (not an FDRtard).

And his populism sure looks a lot like the populism of American conservatism these days.


Check it out.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 01, 2015 09:41 PM (KUa85)

22 So easy back then. Me good, him bad.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 01, 2015 09:42 PM (HBmIq)

23 70 years from now it will be time for mid-day prayers I suppose.

Posted by: goon at September 01, 2015 09:39 PM (gy5kE)

Geez, I hope it IS 70 years from now. My knees couldn't handle all that prostration.

As an aside, do the moose limbs allow those really nice carpet layer's knee pads? That would make it so much easier.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 01, 2015 09:42 PM (frWac)

24 Posted by: goon at September 01, 2015 09:39 PM (gy5kE)

70 years ago we understood it was "Them or Us."

Today? We don't. And until we do, it is going to be a very slow, nasty slog.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 01, 2015 09:42 PM (Zu3d9)

25 I should wish Huma a Happy VJ Day... Crap, am I drooling?

Posted by: Hillzebub! at September 01, 2015 09:42 PM (FcR7P)

26 If it was Mitch McConnell running the War, we would've lost because we didn't have enough manpower, yet.

He'd want us to wait 20 years while a new crop of babies was hatched. (that's if they got through the gauntlet of PP that somehow can't get defunded).

Mitch McConnell; singles handedly sending the GOP to the showers forever.

We KNOW what you're doing you dork.
You aren't FOOLING us anymore.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 01, 2015 09:43 PM (x3GpS)

27 I remember it well.
Yamamoto's flowing robes.
The American delegation marching through downtown Tokyo, each carrying a basket of oranges, burning and looting as they went...
and later on that night Hideki Nomo throwing the first No-Hitter, by a Japanese pitcher, in Negro League History.

Posted by: Barack Obama at September 01, 2015 09:44 PM (wH2zY)

28 Some among the angsty youngster crowd might hate this, but I am proud that my grandpa had hands on the Enola Gay, as a Boeing machinist and engineer. Good men and women doing the hard things.
Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 01, 2015 09:37 PM (frWac) In 1990 I worked for Paul Tibbetts III. Was a great leader and I'm sure he appreciated the results of your grandfather's work on the Enola Gay.

Posted by: DJ Jazzy Mel at September 01, 2015 09:44 PM (22uju)

29 I'm guessing they heard there was going to be a surrender and they had to hurry over."


Probably are French. French Indochina got invaded by the Japanese thus making them a participant in the Pacific War.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 01, 2015 09:44 PM (HBmIq)

30 (that's if they got through the gauntlet of PP that somehow can't get defunded).

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 01, 2015 09:43 PM (x3GpS)

An awesome baby-onesie would say "I survived the Scourge of Planned Parenthood, and all I got was this lousy Onesie"

Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 01, 2015 09:45 PM (frWac)

31 70 years ago we understood it was "Them or Us."

Today? We don't. And until we do, it is going to be a very slow, nasty slog.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 01, 2015 09:42 PM (Zu3d9)

A lot of people today are absolutely sure that they can use diplomacy to get out of anything. Chamberlain all over again.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at September 01, 2015 09:45 PM (HalrA)

32 Three of my grandparents served in the military during WWII. If they were still alive, they would be pushing 100. May they all Rest in Peace.

Posted by: Infidel at September 01, 2015 09:46 PM (6hxg7)

33 People never have understood how Imperialist France is.

They've hidden a lot of totalitarian crap underneath all that Eqalite, Fraternite et Liberte bullshit.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 01, 2015 09:46 PM (x3GpS)

34 'we win you surrender'

And we dictate the terms. It worked out OK for the Japanese and Germans. The lessons are forgotten though by those who know better.

A toast to my Grandpa and all those who served. Some of us will never forget.

Posted by: freaked at September 01, 2015 09:47 PM (BO/km)

35 That water was deep.

Posted by: Some feller from Arkansas at September 01, 2015 09:47 PM (zR7AK)

36 One of Truman's greatest decisions was to hold out for unconditional surrender in WWII. He then quickly followed that up by one of the worst decisions ever - declaring "limited war" in Korea and setting the course for America to follow after, never to win another war.

The tactics of WWII gave us the greatest victory in Earth's history - turning our most implacable enemies into our strongest and most trustworthy allies for decades after. But ... we decided to declare all the tactics used to secure that victory to be "barbaric" and "beneath us" and opted, instead, to let the primitives and savages run amok.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 01, 2015 09:49 PM (zc3Db)

37 If Obama had been president then, it would have been us signing the articles of surrender!

Posted by: Thurston Howell Trump at September 01, 2015 09:49 PM (R4vR0)

38 Unconditional because we had already tried that diplomatic bullshit and we got attacked on a fcuking Sunday morning.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 01, 2015 09:49 PM (x3GpS)

39 Today TFG would tweet: "Give us back our battleships."

Posted by: fly gal at September 01, 2015 09:49 PM (FLrPp)

40 " declaring "limited war" in Korea and setting the course for America to follow after, never to win another war"

Yep.

Posted by: Lauren at September 01, 2015 09:50 PM (LzzEz)

41 Today, Obama would give Japan the Hawaiian islands, The Aleutians, plans to the A-bomb, and protection from the USSR and China...well if the Japanese were radical muslims.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at September 01, 2015 09:50 PM (f+6Pd)

42 Hypothetically speaking, if the Japanese had been ripping fetal tissue from the wombs of their enemies and auctioning it off to the highest bidder, would that have been considered a war crime?

Posted by: Fritz at September 01, 2015 09:50 PM (3tjn4)

43 If Obama had been president then, it would have been us signing the articles of surrender!

Yes, but it would have happened in December of 1941.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 01, 2015 09:50 PM (YJmuy)

44 That was fairly badass.

Posted by: mynewhandle at September 01, 2015 09:50 PM (AkOaV)

45 Should I feel guilty for having sushi for lunch?

Posted by: Dr. Varno at September 01, 2015 09:51 PM (GdFQh)

46
Prezzy Choom: I remember the Japanese Emperor coming on the boat to sign that paper thing. I apologize for that. After all there were the Crusades and Jim Crow.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 01, 2015 09:51 PM (DiZBp)

47 Mochelle would have dictated a diet of noodles and rice for our servicemen as not to offend the sensitivities of the 'enemy combatants'.

Posted by: Thurston Howell Trump at September 01, 2015 09:52 PM (R4vR0)

48 To tell the truth, not only was I lead the scientist on the A-Bomb, designed the B-29, but also piloted the Enola-Gay.

Posted by: Brian Williams at September 01, 2015 09:53 PM (f+6Pd)

49 #23 I may be too old for soldiering, but if I kneel for anything but the Consecration and Offertory it will be to make the best use of cover and a supported firing position.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at September 01, 2015 09:54 PM (Kucy5)

50 I don't even want to think about how zero would have handled the Japanese. After they named a plane after him he probably would have bowed all of the way to the ground before the Emperor. Can you imagine him spitting out domoaregato over and over?

Posted by: freaked at September 01, 2015 09:54 PM (BO/km)

51 Today TFG would tweet: "Give us back our battleships."

Posted by: fly gal at September 01, 2015 09:49 PM (FLrPp)



Or threaten them by unleashing the First Tranny Division on them.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 01, 2015 09:55 PM (DiZBp)

52 Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at September 01, 2015 09:45 PM (HalrA)

And the only response to them is:

"You can't possibly be that stupid!"

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 01, 2015 09:55 PM (Zu3d9)

53 Was it here or somewhere else I read that Obowmow wanted to apologize to Hiroshima but the Japanese nixed it.

You all realize this whole past 8 years was a fist shaken in the face of the freest, fairest, bravest and kindest nation ever to exist in known history.

Not to constructively rebuild certain faulty institutions but to shame and libel as many great and brave Americans both past and present.

I hate him with a hate so hot it's ice cold. I cannot express my contempt for him and his ilk.

I pray daily for him to regain a soul so that he may know the pain of it's loss when the Devil comes to claim it.


Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 01, 2015 09:55 PM (x3GpS)

54 We almost tipped over Guam and lost the war.

Posted by: Hank Johnson at September 01, 2015 09:56 PM (vsbNu)

55
*kicks tire on Nissan Juke*
*take that , asshole *

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at September 01, 2015 09:56 PM (9mTYi)

56 The US officer in the middle of the table, saluting.

General Jonathan Wainright. In May, 1942, Wainright surrendered the US forces in the Phillipines. He spent the next three and half years starving in Japanese prison camps, believing he would be court martialed on his release for having surrendered Corregidor.

Instead, when the Japanese surrendered, MacArthur had Wainright flown to Tokyo and put aboard the Missouri as a US representative to receive the Japanese surrender.

The man embodied honor and service to a country that is as dead as Rome or Carthage.

Posted by: Schaden at September 01, 2015 09:56 PM (QolCq)

57 Not any American soldier wearing a tie that day. Nor in dress blues/etc. Nor at attention.

MacArthur was a sonovabitch. And them Japs knew it.

Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at September 01, 2015 09:57 PM (k9qR4)

58 SMFH @ 13- A shot?
Great minds and all that. I was downing a shot of wodka as I typed that comment. Our parents were giants, weren't they? We too, will have to be giants to get it all back. Because the effort and sacrifice will be colossal, and those of us who die in the effort will get off easy.

Posted by: Eromero at September 01, 2015 09:58 PM (go5uR)

59 Mochelle would have dictated a diet of noodles and
rice for our servicemen as not to offend the sensitivities of the 'enemy
combatants'.

Posted by: Thurston Howell Trump at September 01, 2015 09:52 PM (R4vR0)


For the war effort Aunt Esther Obama would pose for a frowny face photo

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 01, 2015 09:58 PM (DiZBp)

60 "You all realize this whole past 8 years was a fist shaken in the face of the freest, fairest, bravest and kindest nation ever to exist in known history."


Yes I do. Like a little bitch on a Twitter rant.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 01, 2015 09:58 PM (HBmIq)

61 My father was there, ready to go ashore and secure the Dai-Ichi building that was to be MacArthur's HQ in Tokyo, one of the first Americans to set foot on Japan. He (my father) was a major in the Sanitary Corps, charged with making sure the building was safe and clean. He was an entomologist who remained a Reserve Officer to become a full bird colonel and CO of the central Missouri reserve officers unit. I still have his eagles. I was four years old when that took place (yes, I'm surely older than Vic and a dedicated AOSHQ lurker and very occasional commenter.)

Posted by: Ruthless at September 01, 2015 09:58 PM (ro5Th)

62 55. *kicks tire on Nissan Juke*
*take that , asshole *


***

Not to change the subject, but have you driven a Juke? I'm thinking about getting one. Test drove one the other day and was kind of impressed.

Posted by: Schaden at September 01, 2015 09:59 PM (QolCq)

63 Wait, I thought today, Sept. 1 1939 was the start of World War II.

It's all nothing compared to the last eight years of hope and change that transformed the world into the dreams from my father.

Posted by: Fritz at September 01, 2015 09:59 PM (3tjn4)

64 A toast to my uncle, a Mounted Marine. Pearl Harbor, Hawaii Dec.7th. and Saipan. The rest of the night to my Dad who was on a boat in France headed for Japan and everyone who served in the South Pacific.

Posted by: dartist at September 01, 2015 10:00 PM (ahBY0)

65 My great-uncle, flag lieutenant to Admiral McCain, was aboard Missouri at this surrender moment, off the photo to the left, perched up high. His brother my grandfather fought the war on the carrier Saratoga, as exec and briefly skipper. Admiral McCain, the Senator's grandfather, is one of the hats in the foreground, looking away from the camera, I don't know which one. Thanks for this photo and for remembering the 70th anniversary of this day.

Posted by: Edward Sisson at September 01, 2015 10:01 PM (j6oW5)

66 Yes I do. Like a little bitch on a Twitter rant.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 01, 2015 09:58 PM (HBmIq)

6th grade girl on the rag

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 01, 2015 10:02 PM (vM+YG)

67 62: I own one. 3 years now. Buy another in a heartbeat. I like it alot. Mine is a turbo awd.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at September 01, 2015 10:02 PM (ucDmr)

68 Besides the little contingent of poop smearing asskissers in Anchorage, I would bet the good people of Alaska have had just about enough of that self serving pathetic asshole we call president.

Posted by: Thurston Howell Trump at September 01, 2015 10:03 PM (R4vR0)

69 And people still whine that we demanded unconditional surrender.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 01, 2015 10:03 PM (iQIUe)

70 >> I'm surely older than Vic


None are older than Vic.

Before the Void, there was Vic, a rocking chair, a porch and a well manicured lawn.

Posted by: Barack Obama at September 01, 2015 10:03 PM (wH2zY)

71 g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 01, 2015 10:05 PM (KCxzN)

72 In the beginning God created heaven and earth.

And Vic came by and stamped APPROVED on it.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 01, 2015 10:07 PM (x3GpS)

73 67. The one I drove was not a turbo but it still went like a bat. For little rice rocket, you can get a ton of stuff in the back with the seats down.

Posted by: Schaden at September 01, 2015 10:07 PM (QolCq)

74 Does anyone buy into meatball's election predictions?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 01, 2015 10:07 PM (iQIUe)

75 "Does anyone buy into meatball's election predictions?"

Haven't read. What are they?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 01, 2015 10:09 PM (HBmIq)

76 75 "Does anyone buy into meatball's election predictions?"

Haven't read. What are they?
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 01, 2015 10:09 PM (HBmIq)

++++++++++
Doom, gloom, Pennsylvania.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 01, 2015 10:10 PM (iQIUe)

77 Vic advised the Druids on setting up Stonehenge. He wanted to keep track of the solstices and equinoxes for adjusting his porch rocker placement and timing.

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 01, 2015 10:10 PM (JO9+V)

78 https://twitter.com/ConArtCritic/with_replies

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 01, 2015 10:10 PM (iQIUe)

79
And Vic came by and stamped APPROVED on it

But he had suggestions for improvement. Of course.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at September 01, 2015 10:11 PM (frWac)

80 Drink one for my Uncle. While my Father was still recovering from severe wounds received as a B-17 bombardier/navigator in the European theater my Uncle was on his way back to the States. Almost 50 years later as he lay dying he still recalled how surprised he was that after all his island fighting he wasn't going to die going ashore in Japan after all.
Those were Men. Real honest to God stand up Men.

Posted by: Daybrother at September 01, 2015 10:13 PM (epdes)

81 "Why do they hate us so?"

Posted by: Lord Barack Obama, Dec 7th, 1941 at September 01, 2015 10:13 PM (FcR7P)

82 73: I'm an old guy, but, the car is a blast to drive and pretty good mileage. I am not at all let down by this car. My daughter drove mine and bought on for herself.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at September 01, 2015 10:14 PM (ucDmr)

83 None are older than Vic.



Before the Void, there was Vic, a rocking chair, a porch and a well manicured lawn.

that you damn sure better stay off of...


Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2015 10:14 PM (044Yr)

84 Thurston Howell Trump, #37:

"If Obama had been president then, it would have been us signing the articles of surrender!"

Naah. What we would have done though was to seek out moderate members of the Japanese militarist government to negotiate with, in order to bring about a responsible end to the war. We would have spoken publicly about how impractical an invasion would be, and insisted to our own public that we were never going to get an unconditional surrender, so you can either take this deal or fight on and on without end.

Posted by: JPS at September 01, 2015 10:15 PM (9ziuC)

85 "Doom, gloom, Pennsylvania."


Ah, that old story.

I'm beginning to sorta see Hillary not being the nominee.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 01, 2015 10:15 PM (HBmIq)

86 Wait, I thought today, Sept. 1 1939 was the start of World War II.

That's what I was thinking all day, too. Double-checked the calendar....yep, it's still Sep 1.

Posted by: t-bird at September 01, 2015 10:16 PM (FcR7P)

87 26 If it was Mitch McConnell running the War, we would've lost because we didn't have enough manpower, yet.

He'd want us to wait 20 years while a new crop of babies was hatched. (that's if they got through the gauntlet of PP that somehow can't get defunded).

Mitch McConnell; singles handedly sending the GOP to the showers forever.

We KNOW what you're doing you dork.
You aren't FOOLING us anymore.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 01, 2015 09:43 PM (x3GpS)



I mentioned in the last thread that Mark Levin was doing an hilarious impersonation of McConnell.

So what if you don't have the votes? Bring it to a vote and force the other side to go on record opposing it. It isn't complicated.

Posted by: rickl at September 01, 2015 10:17 PM (sdi6R)

88 It's already tomorrow in Japan. They are from the future.

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 01, 2015 10:18 PM (JO9+V)

89 my grandmother helped build B-17s

her name was on "5 Grand"... along with a host of others. what happened to that plane was an obscenity.

http://www.tailsthroughtime.com/2010/06/to-boost-morale-on-home-front-during.html

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 01, 2015 10:18 PM (044Yr)

90 "Almost 50 years later as he lay dying he still recalled how surprised he was that after all his island fighting he wasn't going to die going ashore in Japan after all.
Those were Men. Real honest to God stand up Men."



I hear that story a lot from the European vets. They survived the war in Europe and got to celebrate for a couple of days after Germany surrendered and then they were ordered aboard freighters to "go east." They new they were dead men.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 01, 2015 10:19 PM (HBmIq)

91 77 Vic advised the Druids on setting up Stonehenge. He wanted to keep track of the solstices and equinoxes for adjusting his porch rocker placement and timing.
Posted by: Count de Monet at September 01, 2015 10:10 PM (JO9+V)
......
Excuse me if I am wrong, but I thought Vic crossed over from Morocco to the Appalachian`s on a covered wagon when the Atlantic Ocean was just a small stream between the two and set up shop with his rocker in present day North Carolina. Didn`t he invent the wheeled ar-15 and that thingy that pops up from the folding stock?

Posted by: Thurston Howell Trump at September 01, 2015 10:19 PM (R4vR0)

92 We haven't won a war since the War Department was renamed Denali the Department of Defense.


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at September 01, 2015 10:19 PM (1ijHg)

93
I dont understand this nostalgia for the old narco cartels when Mexico is going to hell because of them. Don't people who glorify this shit read the papers? They kill people for nothing down there.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 01, 2015 10:19 PM (iQIUe)

94 They are going to nominate the socialist because that is who they really are, socialists

Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2015 10:20 PM (2XMpf)

95 87: Mitch is a total clueless dumbfuck. Just a pile of shit that speaks once in awhile. Shit, I know dogs smarter than this slug.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at September 01, 2015 10:21 PM (ucDmr)

96 Those were Men. Real honest to God stand up Men.

Amen. Some may look back and say well, we won, but they didn't know that when it was happening. It was by the balls and sheer determination of American Forces that made it so. Cut some young military loose today and we could own this whole fcuking spinning rock we're sitting on.

Posted by: dartist at September 01, 2015 10:22 PM (ahBY0)

97 There used to be a museum in Brackettville, Texas that had a warehouse room full of the WW II bomber and fighter art. A huge hanger sized building full of the panel off the planes with the name and artwork.
Don't know what happened to it.

Posted by: Daybrother at September 01, 2015 10:22 PM (ntpQe)

98 They should've let me take out the Soviets.

Posted by: Zombie Patton at September 01, 2015 10:23 PM (iC9jc)

99 I know my son said I seemed like I didn't really want it last time, but this time it might be for real.

Posted by: Mitt at September 01, 2015 10:23 PM (30eqM)

100 General Jonathan Wainright. In May, 1942, Wainright surrendered the US forces in the Phillipines. He spent the next three and half years starving in Japanese prison camps, believing he would be court martialed on his release for having surrendered Corregidor.
------------

Laterally a book reccomendation; 'Escape From Corregidor', By Ed Whitcomb. Whitcomb later became governor of Indiana. Fantastic tale.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at September 01, 2015 10:24 PM (9mTYi)

101 They should've let me take out the Soviets.
Posted by: Zombie Patton
-----------------

No shit. The suffering by millions would have been significantly reduced.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at September 01, 2015 10:25 PM (9mTYi)

102 101 They should've let me take out the Soviets.
Posted by: Zombie Patton

Talk to JJ. He's got connections.

Posted by: freaked at September 01, 2015 10:28 PM (BO/km)

103 "In May, 1942, Wainright surrendered the US forces in the Phillipines. He spent the next three and half years starving in Japanese prison camps, believing he would be court martialed on his release for having surrendered Corregidor. "


Wainwright was a stand-up guy left holding a bag of shit. No food, no ammo, no help on the way.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 01, 2015 10:28 PM (HBmIq)

104 Well I really doubt the US Army in 1945 could have beaten the Soviet Army in 1945.

Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2015 10:28 PM (2XMpf)

105 Patterico has resolved the suit against him.

At no cost and no apologies the suit has been settled.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 01, 2015 10:29 PM (x3GpS)

106 Is it too late to apologize to the Japanese for beating them? /liberal

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at September 01, 2015 10:30 PM (oKE6c)

107 Well I really doubt the US Army in 1945 could have beaten the Soviet Army in 1945.

Even if we cut off their supply of Studebaker trucks?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 01, 2015 10:30 PM (YJmuy)

108 105
Patterico has resolved the suit against him.

At no cost and no apologies the suit has been settled.


Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 01, 2015 10:29 PM (x3GpS)

Well that is good news. Was this another lawfare suit by The One Who Shall Not Be Named?

Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2015 10:30 PM (2XMpf)

109 Vic advised the Druids on setting up Stonehenge. He wanted to keep track of the solstices and equinoxes for adjusting his porch rocker placement and timing.
Posted by: Count de Monet
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That thing about "the sun is over the yardarm"? Adopted by the Navy. Actually it was a reference to the sun over the the henge at Vic's place.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at September 01, 2015 10:30 PM (9mTYi)

110 I just watched the old Victory at Sea, the last episode, 'Design for Peace.' Lots of footage of returning servicemen and images of American power and righteousness.

I recommend it.

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at September 01, 2015 10:30 PM (l3vZN)

111 Well I really doubt the US Army in 1945 could have beaten the Soviet Army in 1945.
Posted by: chemjeff


Don't be so sure. The Soviets had devastating losses and the US Army Air Corp would have been happy to drop more nukes as soon as they were ready.

Posted by: Daybrother at September 01, 2015 10:31 PM (ntpQe)

112 104 Well I really doubt the US Army in 1945 could have beaten the Soviet Army in 1945.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2015 10:28 PM (2XMpf)



With our having nukes, and the Soviets not?


This neglects the obvious and likely possibility that Soviet troops would have defected en masse when confronted with American troops.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at September 01, 2015 10:31 PM (oKE6c)

113 Sock off.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at September 01, 2015 10:31 PM (oKE6c)

114 get rid of that old worn out sock

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at September 01, 2015 10:31 PM (l3vZN)

115 Well I really doubt the US Army in 1945 could have beaten the Soviet Army in 1945.
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Really?

Posted by: Fat Man II at September 01, 2015 10:32 PM (9mTYi)

116 Now the sock is really off.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 01, 2015 10:32 PM (oKE6c)

117 The section of the deck the articles of surrender was on is now in a museum in Norfolk Va

Posted by: tmitsss at September 01, 2015 10:32 PM (Pa9vP)

118 Well in 1945 the Soviets no longer seemed to be in desperate straights begging for Western aid.

Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2015 10:32 PM (2XMpf)

119 JEF is on my tv right now. What a clusterfuck of living cells. Clueless fucking parrot.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at September 01, 2015 10:32 PM (ucDmr)

120 Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2015 10:28 PM (2XMpf)

Say hello to my little friends....fision and fusion.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 01, 2015 10:32 PM (Zu3d9)

121 Don't be so sure. The Soviets had devastating losses
and the US Army Air Corp would have been happy to drop more nukes as
soon as they were ready.

Posted by: Daybrother at September 01, 2015 10:31 PM (ntpQe)


Never mind nukes: I'd drop leaflets. And then brace for the rush.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 01, 2015 10:33 PM (oKE6c)

122 No scholar here but I would think nukes would have been an Ace for us.

Posted by: dartist at September 01, 2015 10:33 PM (ahBY0)

123 Laterally a book reccomendation; 'Escape From Corregidor', By Ed Whitcomb. Whitcomb later became governor of Indiana. Fantastic tale.


I finished that a couple weeks ago. Fascinating.

They were brave men. It also crosses streams with 'We Band of Angels.'

Posted by: Infidel at September 01, 2015 10:33 PM (6hxg7)

124
Really?

Posted by: Fat Man II at September 01, 2015 10:32 PM (9mTYi)

But there was no Fat Man II. Not to my knowledge anyway. Especially in spring of 1945. The Alamogordo test wasn't until July 1945. In the spring we didn't have any nuclear bombs.

Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2015 10:34 PM (2XMpf)

125 You can tell the French delegation 'cause their hats have bulls-eyes on them...lol...

Posted by: Dave at September 01, 2015 10:34 PM (fu/wV)

126 Lovely, the transformer at the end of the street just went out.

Posted by: Infidel at September 01, 2015 10:34 PM (6hxg7)

127 98 They should've let me take out the Soviets.
Posted by: Zombie Patton at September 01, 2015 10:23 PM (iC9jc)



Yowza.

Posted by: Zombie MacArthur at September 01, 2015 10:34 PM (oKE6c)

128 WHO IS MEATBALL?

- Al "I'm just a walking full size pez dispenser" Sharpton -

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 01, 2015 10:34 PM (x3GpS)

129 Our AAF wiould have destroyed the Soviet armed forces in short order. Even with Presscot Bush and Henry Ford helping Stalin.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at September 01, 2015 10:35 PM (ucDmr)

130 In 1945 the US didn't have a huge stockpile of nuclear bombs. We had maybe only a few. One was consumed in the Trinity test, 2 in Japan. We didn't have any ready to go by the spring of 1945.

Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2015 10:36 PM (2XMpf)

131 g'night, 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 01, 2015 10:36 PM (KCxzN)

132 Laterally a book reccomendation; 'Escape From Corregidor', By Ed Whitcomb. Whitcomb later became governor of Indiana. Fantastic tale.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at September 01, 2015 10:24 PM (9mTYi)


Governor Whitcomb is still alive, living in his little log cabin in the Hoosier National Forest, near Rome, on the Ohio River. You can go have lunch with him, if you like. People do. He's that kind of guy.

He once sailed--by himself--across the Atlantic Ocean after he left office. In War II, he escaped from a Japanese POW camp, wrote a book about it.

Governor Whitcomb is older now and has a hard time getting around. Because of his balls. His balls are so big they just slow him up something fierce.

We love him here in Indiana.

Posted by: troyriser at September 01, 2015 10:36 PM (gJU39)

133 "Well I really doubt the US Army in 1945 could have beaten the Soviet Army in 1945. "

It's an interesting idea.

The Russians had far more troops, tanks, guns, and, airplanes than the Germans did in 1944/45. They had cored-out the best of the German military by shear brunt force.

Nukes? We were producing around two a month by August of '45. If upon German surrender and immediately following could the Allies forces in Europe held off the Russians until the nukes could have been used against them instead of Japan? Japan just left walled-off by sea for a later time.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 01, 2015 10:36 PM (HBmIq)

134 Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2015 10:30 PM (2XMpf)

No. Nadia somebody? Was the one suing him, his wife and his boss and claimed he was blogging under the color of the law and all sorts of other stuff that was oppressing her.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 01, 2015 10:37 PM (x3GpS)

135 this time it might be for real.
Posted by: Mitt


Poor Jeb. Didn't even make it thru preseason. Maybe he'll catch on with the Dems on the practice squad.

Posted by: t-bird at September 01, 2015 10:38 PM (FcR7P)

136 91: Thurston, come to bed dear, it's getting late. You know how that vein on your forehead bulges when you get worked up. Forget about all this dreadful politics stuff. Like you always say, a Howell never gets his hands dirty.

Posted by: Lovey Howell at September 01, 2015 10:38 PM (dvuhZ)

137
Not fair.
They cut in line.

Posted by: The French at September 01, 2015 10:39 PM (yfObW)

138 chemjeff, the Soviets didn't have a weapon until 1949. I'm sure, already having built three working models that we could have managed a few before then.

Posted by: Daybrother at September 01, 2015 10:39 PM (ntpQe)

139
I was always amused that the French attended.

Posted by: YIKES! at September 01, 2015 10:41 PM (yfObW)

140 Posted by: Daybrother at September 01, 2015 10:39 PM (ntpQe)

Well sure the Soviets didn't have a nuke.

But if we dropped a nuke on the Soviets and they said "screw you", then we didn't have much capacity to retaliate.

The Japanese surrendered because they knew they were beaten. The Soviets wouldn't be under such a preoccupation.

Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2015 10:41 PM (2XMpf)

141
Governor Whitcomb is still alive, living in his little log cabin in the Hoosier National Forest, near Rome, on the Ohio River. You can go have lunch with him, if you like. People do. He's that kind of guy.
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Pic
http://preview.tinyurl.com/oq9qvuv

Posted by: Fat Man II at September 01, 2015 10:41 PM (9mTYi)

142
I'm guessing they heard there was going to be a surrender and they had to hurry over."


Probably are French. French Indochina got invaded by the Japanese thus making them a participant in the Pacific War.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 01, 2015 09:44 PM (HBmIq)









French Indochina ended up being largely controlled by Vichy Frogs during the occupation. WEB Griffin relates a story in one of his books about an acquaintance who was an Army officer in the Philippines during the Jap invasion. He and several other survivors escaped and sailed across the S China Sea in a small sailboat, scrounging for food and water, just ahead of starvation.

They made landfall in French Indochina, and presented themselves to the French authorities. They were received with full military honors (even as they stood there in rags), handshakes and backslaps all around.

Then the fucking Frogs turned them over to the Japs as soon as the ceremony was over. They spent the rest of the war being tortured and abused in a Jap POW camp.

From that day until his death, Griffin's friend swore off all things French.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 01, 2015 10:42 PM (o98Jz)

143 It was a training session.

Posted by: Fwance at September 01, 2015 10:42 PM (iC9jc)

144 Humbled to have stood at the place where the surrender was signed during my visit to Hawaii last year...and even more humbled that just minutes after the terms of surrender was signed...in typical U.S.A. fashion MacArthur and our military's best left for Japan to assist in the rebuilding of a country that had just hours before been our enemy.

Posted by: Michael Hill at September 01, 2015 10:43 PM (aeRWb)

145
By spring of 1945, it was clear that Stalin was an evil bastard who had his eye on all of Europe.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at September 01, 2015 10:43 PM (9mTYi)

146 Sure I would like to think that our team could have won. But the Soviets seemed to have all industrial capacity at full tilt by that time plus they had the territorial advantage. I mean, instead of Germans invading Russia in early spring, it would be the Americans? And that would work out.... better???? Hmmmm

Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2015 10:43 PM (2XMpf)

147 We really shouldn't abuse the French so much, they really have shown some bravery lately but then look who they're being compared with?

So let up on the French a little bit, Huh?












Nah. Just kidding. Eff the French.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 01, 2015 10:44 PM (x3GpS)

148 136 91: Thurston, come to bed dear, it's getting late. You know how that vein on your forehead bulges when you get worked up. Forget about all this dreadful politics stuff. Like you always say, a Howell never gets his hands dirty.
Posted by: Lovey Howell at September 01, 2015 10:38 PM (dvuhZ)
......
Thank you Lovey, I will be home soon.

Posted by: Thurston Howell Trump at September 01, 2015 10:44 PM (R4vR0)

149 126 Lovely, the transformer at the end of the street just went out.

---------

He'll be back.

Posted by: Michael Bay at September 01, 2015 10:45 PM (75uvI)

150 Well, here's some nose art for ya: http://tinyurl.com/nff5rcgPB4Y-2 of VPB-124on Okinawa. Hal Olsen.

Posted by: MAx at September 01, 2015 10:45 PM (LAliD)

151 But if we dropped a nuke on the Soviets and they said "screw you", then we didn't have much capacity to retaliate.

The Japanese surrendered because they knew they were beaten. The Soviets wouldn't be under such a preoccupation.
Posted by: chemjeff


It's all speculation but respectfully, I think what you wrote there answers itself.
When we dropped a nuclear bomb on Hiroshima the Japanese military said "Fuck You" too. So we dropped another. If I had been Stalin I'd have been scared shitless.

Posted by: Daybrother at September 01, 2015 10:46 PM (ntpQe)

152 Posted by: Michael Hill at September 01, 2015 10:43 PM (aeRWb)

Um they signed that surrender in Tokyo Harbor.

They were already IN Japan.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 01, 2015 10:46 PM (x3GpS)

153 The allies would have gotten air dominance against the red army, despite their impressive air force. The allies would have the sea to themselves, virtually. The problem would have been on land. The russians had enormous, but relatively unsophisticated forces that could stack the entire euro front. They had a shitload of armour and artillery. The allies would be faced with an extended front that they couldn't defend. The result would not be a foregone conclusion, either way. The allies could launch offensives on certain sectors and get results, but, the russians could simply swamp over others by weight of numbers. The air and sea would be crucial. The war against the japs would prove a crucial drain at the time.

Posted by: otho at September 01, 2015 10:46 PM (d8udV)

154 It would be cool to see what Patton could have done to the Soviets had they cut the leash on him and poured some resources into it right at the time he wanted it.

Posted by: dartist at September 01, 2015 10:46 PM (ahBY0)

155 Poor Jeb. Didn't even make it thru preseason. Maybe he'll catch on with the Dems on the practice squad.

Posted by: t-bird at September 01, 2015 10:38 PM (FcR7P)


He's on the Michael Sam plan.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 01, 2015 10:47 PM (oKE6c)

156 145
By spring of 1945, it was clear that Stalin was an evil bastard who had his eye on all of Europe.

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Roosevelt liked the guy (surprise) but Churchill knew where things were headed.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 01, 2015 10:47 PM (75uvI)

157
chemjeff, the Soviets didn't have a weapon until
1949. I'm sure, already having built three working models that we could
have managed a few before then.

Posted by: Daybrother at September 01, 2015 10:39 PM (ntpQe)

Plus no means of delivery.The TU-4/B29 copy didn't start service till around 1949.

Posted by: YIKES! at September 01, 2015 10:47 PM (yfObW)

158 117 The section of the deck the articles of surrender was on is now in a museum in Norfolk Va
Posted by: tmitsss at September 01, 2015 10:32 PM (Pa9vP)

--Nauticus?

Posted by: logprof at September 01, 2015 10:48 PM (vsbNu)

159 Closer to home, a new war has been called for:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/nspd2sq

I don't think they'll like it if they get the war they want.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 01, 2015 10:48 PM (YJmuy)

160 And we shrink the US Army to pre WW2 levels, even while at War...

and that is with them then having 132 million people, vice the 320 million we have today.

and less combatant ships...

and less combatant aircraft...


Posted by: BB Wolf at September 01, 2015 10:48 PM (qh617)

161 The war against the japs would prove a crucial drain at the time.
Posted by: otho
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This all might have happened somewhat later, say, the Fall of '45 or early '46.

It damn near DID happen when the Soviets blockaded Berlin.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at September 01, 2015 10:48 PM (9mTYi)

162 Could not have happened.
General McConnell said we did not have the numbers right after December 7 so...
American loses.

Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at September 01, 2015 10:49 PM (fC+Kl)

163 Somebody said (or words to that effect) if you don't want to totally destroy your enemy there's no reason to go to war. The U.S. totally destroyed Japan's will to fight.

Posted by: Hank at September 01, 2015 10:49 PM (0Aqa7)

164 It's all speculation but respectfully, I think what you wrote there answers itself.

When we dropped a nuclear bomb on Hiroshima the Japanese military
said "Fuck You" too. So we dropped another. If I had been Stalin I'd
have been scared shitless.

Posted by: Daybrother at September 01, 2015 10:46 PM (ntpQe)

I doubt we would have had another bomb to drop. We only had 2 to drop on Japan. There was no third, if the Japanese had refused to surrender after Nagasaki.

Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2015 10:49 PM (2XMpf)

165 130 In 1945 the US didn't have a huge stockpile of nuclear bombs. We had maybe only a few. One was consumed in the Trinity test, 2 in Japan. We didn't have any ready to go by the spring of 1945.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2015 10:36 PM (2XMpf)




Faced with us, the Red Army probably would have deserted as a man. Escape from battle, severe privations, Stalin, the secret police AND have a shot at coming to America? How do you say "stampede" in Russian?


They probably wouldn't have known that the Soviets had insisted on all of their POWs in our hands being returned to the USSR.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 01, 2015 10:49 PM (oKE6c)

166 Posted by: Daybrother at September 01, 2015 10:46 PM (ntpQe)

Stalin knew exactly what was going on with the nuke program.

Knew exactly how many nukes we had and had begun to receive the detailed plans for them.

He knew this when he and Truman and Churchill met just before.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 01, 2015 10:49 PM (x3GpS)

167 Roosevelt liked the guy (surprise) but Churchill knew where things were headed.
Posted by: Cicero
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Roosevelt was appallingly ignorant of European culture and history. He thought Uncle Joe was a fine chap.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at September 01, 2015 10:50 PM (9mTYi)

168 166 How? Was Roosevelt's email server in the bathroom too???

Posted by: MAx at September 01, 2015 10:51 PM (LAliD)

169 A police officer shot and killed North Chicago

and

Abilene Texas in a coordinated attack at the officer's home.

Today, earlier this evening.

Posted by: Amos Grossback at September 01, 2015 10:51 PM (iCchw)

170
Well I really doubt the US Army in 1945 could have beaten the Soviet Army in 1945.


Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2015 10:28 PM (2XMpf)


Without General Winter to win battles and no more American aid to support them the Russians wouldn't have fared so well. And the eastern European countries the Russians over ran would have been glad to have helped kicked them out. Hell the Baltic states and Ukraine initially treated the Germans as liberators.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 01, 2015 10:51 PM (DiZBp)

171 Stalin knew exactly what was going on with the nuke program.

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And that was before Hillary was spraying America's secrets all over the world with wild abandon.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 01, 2015 10:51 PM (75uvI)

172 Roosevelt was appallingly ignorant of European culture and history. He thought Uncle Joe was a fine chap.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at September 01, 2015 10:50 PM (9mTYi)



FDR was a commie turd. His whole administration was red.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 01, 2015 10:52 PM (DiZBp)

173 Troyriser, #132:

That's really neat. I didn't know about Gov. Whitcomb, and am glad I do now. Thanks.

Posted by: JPS at September 01, 2015 10:53 PM (9ziuC)

174 Leftards don't call it victory. They call it genocide. But they are deeply and completely stupid.

Posted by: maddogg at September 01, 2015 10:53 PM (rgIC0)

175

Hillary. Spraying.


Gahhhhgh

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at September 01, 2015 10:53 PM (9mTYi)

176 "I mean, instead of Germans invading Russia in early spring, it would be the Americans? And that would work out.... better???? Hmmmm"


Personally, I don't think we'd have been trying to invade Russia. Just push them back beyond Poland, Czechoslovakia, Romania, etc. Back to there pre-war border.

Still, the Russians had thousands of tanks, millions of men, and, a supply train that would supply them long and loud.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 01, 2015 10:53 PM (HBmIq)

177
Just to make a point that the you don't fuck with United States at that time.
A fly over of Tokyo Bay by 2,000 armed aircraft was done after the signing.

Posted by: YIKES! at September 01, 2015 10:53 PM (yfObW)

178 Stalin did it the old fashioned way.

Hired spies to gather the info and then watched them be tried and electrocuted so he didn't have to even give them a medal.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 01, 2015 10:53 PM (x3GpS)

179
They probably wouldn't have known that the Soviets had insisted on all of their POWs in our hands being returned to the USSR.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 01, 2015 10:49 PM (oKE6c)






Not to mention the fact that almost every returning Red Army POW was immediately sent to Gulag, most never to return.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 01, 2015 10:54 PM (o98Jz)

180 Stalin knew exactly what was going on with the nuke program.

Lots of red spies in the US government.
Tail gunner Joe didn't make that shit up.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 01, 2015 10:55 PM (W5DcG)

181 I doubt we would have had another bomb to drop. We only had 2 to drop on Japan. There was no third, if the Japanese had refused to surrender after Nagasaki.
Posted by: chemjeff


We couldn't build anymore by 1949 even though we were in production in 1945? We had something like 12 by 1950 IIRC and that was during "peacetime". They didn't have even one until 1949 and Stalin was first informed of our program in the '30s.

Posted by: Daybrother at September 01, 2015 10:55 PM (ntpQe)

182 FDR was a commie turd. His whole administration was red.
Posted by: TheQuietMan
--------------

Ha! TQM triggers the monthly post from Mickey Spillaine's 'One Lonely Night':


"I killed more people tonight than I have fingers on my hand. I shot them in cold blood and enjoyed every minute of it. I pumped slugs in the nastiest bunch of bastards you ever saw and here I am calmer than I've ever been, and happy too. They were Communists, Lee. They were red sons of bitches who should have died long ago..."

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at September 01, 2015 10:56 PM (9mTYi)

183 In the end we got our boy the JEF in to destroy you, so there.

Posted by: Zombie Stalin at September 01, 2015 10:56 PM (iC9jc)

184 This all might have happened somewhat later, say, the Fall of '45 or early '46. It damn near DID happen when the Soviets blockaded Berlin.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at September 01, 2015 10:48 PM

Well, then the bomb comes into play. That may have forced the soviets to pull out of eastern europe, but, it wouldn't guarantee victory. Would the US have been prepared to drop the bomb on their former allies? I'm not so sure and Stalin would know better than me. He had insiders.A more acceptable iron curtain would probably be the result, but, I doubt total victory could be obtained with a bomb drops. Russia had too many divisions and too much gear. It might come down to air supremecy, but, I'm unsure that the allies had the numbers to take full advantage of that.

Posted by: otho at September 01, 2015 10:56 PM (d8udV)

185 without bomb drops, I mean.

Posted by: otho at September 01, 2015 10:57 PM (d8udV)

186 They were Communists, Lee. They were red sons of bitches who should have died long ago...

Such beautiful words.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 01, 2015 10:57 PM (YJmuy)

187

didn't have even one until 1949 and Stalin was first informed of our program in the '30s.
Posted by: Daybrother at September 01, 2015 10:55 PM (ntpQe)


Took that long to sober up their scientist?

Posted by: YIKES! at September 01, 2015 10:57 PM (yfObW)

188
"I killed more people tonight than I have fingers on my hand. I shot them in cold blood and enjoyed every minute of it. I pumped slugs in the nastiest bunch of bastards you ever saw and here I am calmer than I've ever been, and happy too. They were Communists, Lee. They were red sons of bitches who should have died long ago..."

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at September 01, 2015 10:56 PM (9mTYi)







I am intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 01, 2015 10:58 PM (o98Jz)

189 Such beautiful words.
Posted by: Blanco Basura
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I know... I know.
The guy was a poet.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc at September 01, 2015 10:59 PM (9mTYi)

190 Sorry, I meant to write "Stalin was first informed of our program in the early '40s."
I think around 1942.

Posted by: Daybrother at September 01, 2015 10:59 PM (ntpQe)

191 I think we had more resources to fight against devastated countries no matter how many people Russian had, if it came down to it.

Posted by: dartist at September 01, 2015 10:59 PM (ahBY0)

192 I mean, instead of Germans invading Russia in early
spring, it would be the Americans? And that would work out....
better???? Hmmmm


Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2015 10:43 PM (2XMpf)



We wouldn't have been fighting a war on 2 fronts and getting the shit bombed out of our country like the Germans did. As George C. Scott said in the movie Patton. Well the hell with the Mongoloid Russians

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 01, 2015 10:59 PM (DiZBp)

193 Still, the Russians had thousands of tanks, millions of men, and, a supply train that would supply them long and loud.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 01, 2015 10:53 PM (HBmIq)


But, they never had to contend with an American style air campaign against their logistics.

By the time they were in Germany, their supply lines were extremely long... but by that period of the war Germany did not have the air assets to exploit that weakness (against either them or us)...

Posted by: BB Wolf at September 01, 2015 11:00 PM (qh617)

194 My late father took off three days off of work in his life - the day his two children were born and the day of MacArthur's victory parade in NYC. I fear that in an country that elects an Obama, forces military bases to be "gun free zones" and has made "diversity" more important than sanity, even in the military, we will never see the likes of MacArthur or Wainright again.

Posted by: Darwin Akbar at September 01, 2015 11:00 PM (RfAbf)

195 Donald Trump: I'll Change Denali Back to Mount McKinley




Fuck you Barry

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 01, 2015 11:01 PM (DiZBp)

196 My late father took off three days off of work in his life - the day his two children were born and the day of MacArthur's victory parade in NYC. I fear that in an country that elects an Obama, forces military bases to be "gun free zones" and has made "diversity" more important than sanity, even in the military, we will never see the likes of MacArthur or Wainright again


THIS

Posted by: Infidel at September 01, 2015 11:02 PM (6hxg7)

197 The Russians fought much like the Germans. They didn't have "strategic" forces like masses of bombers or such. They had masses of tanks, masses of troops, and, masses of rifles. They learned the German tactics and replicated them in far more mass than the Germans could.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 01, 2015 11:02 PM (HBmIq)

198 Fuck you Barry

Fuck you Barry

Posted by: dartist at September 01, 2015 11:03 PM (ahBY0)

199 Boy, this is weird. A guy I knew slightly about 35 years ago is on local TV news. He's a gangsta inmate. I just realized I recognized him.

Posted by: Daybrother at September 01, 2015 11:06 PM (ntpQe)

200 "By the time they were in Germany, their supply lines were extremely long... but by that period of the war Germany did not have the air assets to exploit that weakness (against either them or us)..."


And American forces (B-17s, B-24s) would have had to base from Germany, Austria, Italy to hit the then Russian supply lines in border Russia.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 01, 2015 11:06 PM (HBmIq)

201

But, they never had to contend with an American style air campaign against their logistics.



By the time they were in Germany, their supply lines were extremely
long... but by that period of the war Germany did not have the air
assets to exploit that weakness (against either them or us)...

Posted by: BB Wolf at September 01, 2015 11:00 PM (qh617)

One of the big fallacy of the German army was how mechanized they were.By the mid 1930's horses need not apply in the US military the Germans relied heavily on horses to the tune of about 3,500,000 head.

Posted by: Chrome and Tailfins everywhere at September 01, 2015 11:06 PM (yfObW)

202 Stalin knew about the bombs before Vice President Truman.

Posted by: andycanuck at September 01, 2015 11:07 PM (pgzyN)

203 Interesting discussion all
well good night

Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2015 11:08 PM (2XMpf)

204 "Donald Trump: I'll Change Denali Back to Mount McKinley"



Guy keeps saying shit that sounds like "Yay. America, fcuk yeah!"

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 01, 2015 11:09 PM (HBmIq)

205 Interesting discussion all
well good night
Posted by: chemjeff


Wait! We have to hug before you leave and tell each other that we respect our respective opinions.

Posted by: Daybrother at September 01, 2015 11:10 PM (ntpQe)

206 So, was Patton's death really just a car accident?

Posted by: CMU VET at September 01, 2015 11:10 PM (ejB0r)

207 No.

Posted by: Infidel at September 01, 2015 11:12 PM (6hxg7)

208 Later smart .mil people.

Posted by: Daybrother at September 01, 2015 11:13 PM (ntpQe)

209 206: A question for the ages. We'll never know. A lot of people wanted him out of the way. For sure.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at September 01, 2015 11:13 PM (ucDmr)

210 So, was Patton's death really just a car accident?

The Clinton Crime Family goes back farther than e-mail?

Posted by: dartist at September 01, 2015 11:14 PM (ahBY0)

211 Boy, this is weird. A guy I knew slightly about 35 years ago is on local TV news. He's a gangsta inmate.
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Some went wrong, as some men do...

Posted by: Gordon Lightfoot at September 01, 2015 11:14 PM (9mTYi)

212 Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 01, 2015 10:48 PM (YJmuy)

Odd that the DHS isn't calling this domestic terrorism. Not like they are a bunch of Minutemen or Oathkeepers or other crazy right-wing nutcases. /snark

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at September 01, 2015 11:15 PM (laMCB)

213 So, was Patton's death really just a car accident?

The Clinton Crime Family goes back farther than e-mail?
Posted by: dartist


I think Bill O'Reilly had something to do with it.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 01, 2015 11:15 PM (W5DcG)

214 "So, was Patton's death really just a car accident?"


Yep. Truck full of G.I.s made a left turn and whammo. Patton told them, still conscious, to get lost.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 01, 2015 11:17 PM (HBmIq)

215 William McKinley had a lot of stamina...shot once in the chest he did not hesitate to mount Denali from the rear. The natives looked in awe at the stalwart president as duty called and he accomplished his mission. Mount McKinley, or Mount Denali...it depends on your angle of view! Obama? He would have been the guy in the restroom facing east backed up to the glory hole in stall two!

Posted by: Thurston Howell Trump at September 01, 2015 11:18 PM (R4vR0)

216 One of German's problems with the Russians, was that the Anglo-Americans had all but destroyed the Luftwaffe. The Russians would not have been able to prevail against the Anglo-American air power, I do not believe. They would shortly have been in the same circumstance that the Germans were.

Posted by: Gordon Lightfoot at September 01, 2015 11:18 PM (9mTYi)

217 Odd that the DHS isn't calling this domestic terrorism. Not like they
are a bunch of Minutemen or Oathkeepers or other crazy right-wing
nutcases. /snark


Odder that the DNC has come out in support of BLM. So I guess that makes it, "Race War, proudly brought to you by the Democrat Party!"

Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 01, 2015 11:19 PM (YJmuy)

218
Made damm sure General Zhukov out of the way.

Posted by: Zombie Stalin at September 01, 2015 11:21 PM (yfObW)

219 The Russians fought much like the Germans. They didn't have "strategic" forces like masses of bombers or such. They had masses of tanks, masses of troops, and, masses of rifles. They learned the German tactics and replicated them in far more mass than the Germans could.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 01, 2015 11:02 PM

The red army air force actually did have masses of bombers, a lot of 2x engine and even 4x engine long range heavies. Not as good as allied types, but still, in sheer numbers, they had plenty and fighter escorts to go with them. They just never exercised strategic bombing as a doctrine in a serious way. They might have adopted it out of necessity, but they would have had to learn as they went along. They had the numbers, it may have been a problem if they went all out, even faced with heavy losses, initially. Hard to tell from here.

Posted by: otho at September 01, 2015 11:21 PM (d8udV)

220 "The Russians would not have been able to prevail against the Anglo-American air power,"


I don't know about that. Russkies were cranking out thousands of Yaks, Sturmoviks, and, LAGGs by '44.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 01, 2015 11:23 PM (HBmIq)

221 The Russians would not have been able to prevail
against the Anglo-American air power, I do not believe. They would
shortly have been in the same circumstance that the Germans were.

Posted by: Gordon Lightfoot at September 01, 2015 11:18 PM (9mTYi)


Agreed. The Russians relied heavily on Allied support.

Posted by: cm9000 at September 01, 2015 11:24 PM (8zCR+)

222 Patton would have ran right up to the Kremlin and slapped Stalin himself, and pissed in the punchbowl before he left.

Posted by: dartist at September 01, 2015 11:25 PM (ahBY0)

223 "The red army air force actually did have masses of bombers, a lot of 2x engine and even 4x engine long range heavies."


The Russians never had any serious number of 4-engined bombers during the war. Their twins were Tu-88/Do-17 like.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 01, 2015 11:27 PM (HBmIq)

224 Well I really doubt the US Army in 1945 could have beaten the Soviet Army in 1945.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2015 10:28 PM (2XMpf)


The Soviets were a spent, exhausted force by May of '45. The only thing that kept them rolling to that point was the sheer numbers available for cannon fodder and an abject fear of "failing" Comrade Stalin.

Posted by: Bill H at September 01, 2015 11:27 PM (Baojj)

225
Oh, no! ONT bomb dropped.

Posted by: Gordon Lightfoot at September 01, 2015 11:28 PM (9mTYi)

226 The Russians benefited most from the Allies having a second front against the Germans, and also benefited in material support.

Posted by: cm9000 at September 01, 2015 11:29 PM (8zCR+)

227
One of German's problems with the Russians, was that
the Anglo-Americans had all but destroyed the Luftwaffe. The Russians
would not have been able to prevail against the Anglo-American air
power, I do not believe. They would shortly have been in the same
circumstance that the Germans were.

Posted by: Gordon Lightfoot at September 01, 2015 11:18 PM (9mTYi)

The one thing the US and RAF had down was tactical air strikes plus the Russians had no long range bombers.Plus when it came to artillery the Russians threw allot shit in one direction and hope for the best. Post war integration of German soldiers mention how much they feared US artillery because of our speed and accuracy which why we now laptops, tablets all those electronic goodies cuz we wanted to figure out a better way to blow something up.

Posted by: Zombie Stalin at September 01, 2015 11:33 PM (yfObW)

228 The Russians never had any serious number of 4-engined bombers during the war. Their twins were Tu-88/Do-17 like.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 01, 2015 11:27 PM

Yeah, mostly twins. They had some decent 4's, though they were older designs and not much more than a 1000 or so produced all up, which would have been a few 100 at any given time. Given the ability of the russians to produce very quickly when their minds were set on it, they may have pumped out more tout d'suite if needed. But, yeah, in the months in question, raids would have relied mostly on the medium twins. Whatever the case, the russians wouldn't be targetting actual production, it would be supply lines and whatnot. The numbers of mediums they had may have been adequate if they set their minds to it. It would have been bloody, but it can't be discounted.

Posted by: otho at September 01, 2015 11:42 PM (d8udV)

229 The russians had long range heavy bombers, just not many at any given time.

Posted by: otho at September 01, 2015 11:45 PM (d8udV)

230 There is a bronze plaque embedded in the deck of BB-63 right where the surrender was signed. Note that the gun turrets were swung to starboard a bit in order to allow space for the ceremony. The Mighty Mo is moored about 360 yards southwest of the Arizona Memorial. It looks as if she is standing guard over the Arizona.

Posted by: TOF at September 01, 2015 11:48 PM (CuTfa)

231 ***Posted by: chemjeff at September 01, 2015 10:49 PM (2XMpf)***


We had a production line in motion. The next bomb would have been available August 19. 7 ready through October 31. Production rate of 3 per month after that.

Here is a link to a photocopy of a memo of a briefing of one of General Marshall's staff officers to be passed to him.

http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB162/72.pdf

Subotai Bahadur

Posted by: Subotai Bahadur at September 02, 2015 12:04 AM (DqSCh)

232 Jeez, Hillary is older than me.

Seriously though, why hasn't she been arrested yet? It has now been proven 100% that she had classified info where she shouldn't and passed that info to Blumenthal among others. Home brew server? She needs to be arrested.

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, the Highlander at September 02, 2015 12:51 AM (COpZ4)

233 The Germans had easily won the war against the Russians in the east until the SS started abusing the locals. When the Germans first entered the Ukraine, the locals hailed them as liberators, even going so far as throwing flowers on the German tanks.

The Russian army would have folded up like a wet blanket against the allies, because we treated conquered locals with consideration and the Russians hated their own government only slightly less than the Germans after the SS got started.

On another note, my dad was radioman in the Enola Gay in 1948. He left the army shortly before the Enola Gay crashed into a mountain

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at September 02, 2015 01:22 AM (jIvX2)

234 Too bad McCarthur was a progressive and imposed a progressive society on Japan. The Bank of Japan is now in its something like its thirtieth year of Keynsian economic stimulation. It is a joke to think that our Keynsian (socialist) fed will actually stop stimulating our banksters after a mere six years or so.

Posted by: Ceteris Paribus at September 02, 2015 02:28 AM (lQqJB)

235 " That's what we called victory back then, we win you surrender."

We've only had a couple of those in our history, so you might want to modify that position.

Also, WWII was the War To Save Communism, as Lillian Hellman pointed out when she heard of "Barbarossa".

If the Krauts hadn't picked a fight with Stalin, WWII would have looked like 'Nam or Iraq.

Posted by: formwiz at September 02, 2015 10:55 AM (3rwvI)

236 Greetings:

Any quantitative type out there willing to put together the number of major media minutes devoted to the surrender as opposed to the a-bombings ???

Posted by: 11B40 at September 02, 2015 11:48 AM (evgyj)

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