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More Jeb/Trump:
Jeb, Hey, How About Free College Tuition?!
Trump: I'd Like to Raise Taxes on Rich People Like Myself
Jeb's just lighting up the pinball machine today.
However, Trump signaled the other day that he's going to be releasing his own plan on college financing in four weeks, I think he said. Given that Trump seems to be a... how do I put this... Democrat, I expect him to offer up some Free Shit to people too. But we don't know that yet. What we know, at this moment, is that Jeb has embraced what I call "The Heart of Jeb-ness."Jeb Bush has a fantastically awful idea when it comes to college education. He thinks community college students should get "free" tuition for two years. If that's sounds familiar, it's because it’s the exact same thing President Barack Obama proposed in January. Which shows how completely hypocritical Bush is because he came out against Obama’s plan in January. Oh, but Bush’s plan gets even more #headdesk inducing. He wants universities to PAY BACK students who don't graduate in four years.Yes, let's subsidize failure and irresponsibility with more billions and billions of taxpayer dollars. We're not incentivizing failure and irresponsibility enough in this society. If a kid literally wants to take a two year retirement at age 18 and just PARTY HIS FACE OFF for two very expensive college years, we should totally pay for that for him. In Fairness: Stephen Price Blair suspects Jeb is garbling, in a Jebbish way, a more defensible policy:If kids can't graduate with a four-year degree in four years, there ought to be some payback to their families or to them, or their got to be some support for the loans they’ve taken out.This is so fiscally irresponsible and reprehensible, it's not even funny.
This sounds like Jeb heard about the *good* idea of making colleges partially responsible for student loans, and just couldn't wrap his head around it.That is, put colleges on the hook for non-graduating students and their unpaid loans, so they are incentivized to only enroll students who actually want to learn, and aren't merely diploma-mills-without-the-actual diplomas. I imagine this part he'll clarify tomorrow. Still -big huge new entitlement on those first two years of college, huh? Nothin' like asking a truck driver to pay for the college education of the son of a dentist. ...
Somewhat less egregious, but still troubling, is Doctor Populist himself offering up tax increases on the rich.
Republican front-runner Donald Trump began to flesh out his economic vision for America, and it includes raising taxes on the wealthy.... "I would change it. I would simplify it," Trump told hosts Mark Halperin and John Heilemann from the lobby of Trump Tower on New York's 5th Ave. Specifically, Trump targeted hedge fund profits, which are currently taxed at a lower rate than regular income. .... "I would take carried interest out, and I would let people making hundreds of millions of dollars-a-year pay some tax, because right now they are paying very little tax and I think it's outrageous," Trump said. "I want to lower taxes for the middle class." Asked whether his proposed changes meant he was prepared to raise taxes on himself, the billionaire framed his answer in terms of fairness. "That's right. That's right. I'm OK with it. You've seen my statements, I do very well, I don't mind paying some taxes. The middle class is getting clobbered in this country. You know the middle class built this country, not the hedge fund guys, but I know people in hedge funds that pay almost nothing and it's ridiculous, OK?"Eh. Make up your own minds. Personally, I have been extremely angry at the Donor Class for beating the shit out of the grassroots with every dime they have, completely spurning the concept of an alliance -- in which I agree to adopt some of your agenda, and you agree in turn to adopt some of mine -- to pursue a wholly mercenary agenda that serves themselves exclusively, destroying grassroots challengers at every opportunity. Personally, I will not weep if the Donor Class takes a haircut. That might remind them next time that we in the grassroots only agree to their agenda to the exact extent they agree to ours. I know that's not a popular sentiment -- especially with really good conservatives who aren't to blame for the current state of affairs -- but it's what I feel. I feel badly used in this "alliance." I feel like a booty call for the Donor Class, and I would not mind them learning a lesson about what happens to political turncoats. Plus, frankly, the super-rich are by and large liberal, except for their resistance to taxes on themselves, so the hell with them. Since they want to enact most of the Democrats' agenda, they can get their protection from tax hikes from the Democrats, too. One-stop shopping, boys. Enjoy! However, people need to understand you're getting a different kind of Republican with Trump, and by a "different kind of Republican," I mean a Democrat who wants to restrict immigration. Yes, I do think he will have cross-over appeal to downscale Democrats. But he will have this appeal not for the reasons Reagan did -- Reagan pitched a conservative philosophy -- but for the reasons the typical Democrat can reach Democrat voters, that is, because he's pitching Democracy policy goals. If we're cool with that, fine, but we better make sure we're cool with that. There may be some good political and strategic reasons to do this, but we just spent 7 years tearing our hair out over a guy determined to expand the welfare state at any cost; you all better be chill with the idea of having a president from your own party pushing to expand it. Because it's Popular, and you can't spell popular without Populist. Well, at least you need a lot of the same letters. Meanwhile, Marco Rubio says that Trump won't be president because we're not an angry nation, which is just so adorable.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 26, 2015 07:26 PM (Ii765)
And tomorrow Juan Ellis will make statements walking all this back.
It's a cycle for this dope. Say something dumb one day, apologize or clarify the next day.
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at August 26, 2015 07:26 PM (1i8ZT)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 26, 2015 07:26 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Jenny Mourns Jeff Goldblum at August 26, 2015 07:26 PM (7pbQd)
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at August 26, 2015 07:27 PM (1i8ZT)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at August 26, 2015 07:27 PM (q20+R)
Posted by: Chingadero Jeb! at August 26, 2015 07:28 PM (/jQI1)
Posted by: Soothsayerwing Plover at August 26, 2015 07:28 PM (1i8ZT)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 26, 2015 07:28 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: california red at August 26, 2015 07:29 PM (q6yxu)
Posted by: Jenny Mourns Jeff Goldblum at August 26, 2015 07:29 PM (7pbQd)
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at August 26, 2015 07:29 PM (1i8ZT)
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at August 26, 2015 07:29 PM (l3vZN)
Posted by: Bosk at August 26, 2015 07:29 PM (n2K+4)
That guy is going to win Pa.
And possibly other NE states.
He wins in a landslide.
Posted by: Kreplach at August 26, 2015 07:30 PM (eDW1j)
This sounds idiotic to you and me but to college students and guys afterward with a big loan debt its what they have been yelling for years.
I have a friend who went to college, got a degree in political science, then found his degree was useless and is working in a lab testing dairy products for efficiency now. He was so pissed at the college for charging so much and him getting nothing out of it.
He blamed them for his failure to find good work in a given field. I pointed out they did their job and didn't promise anything else but an education, how are they at fault?
But that's the mindset. Its not fair. They charged so much and I'm in debt. They should pay me back.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2015 07:30 PM (39g3+)
This will ensure that the universities can afford to keep paying me and Bill $300K for a speech.
Woohoo!!
Posted by: Hillary! at August 26, 2015 07:31 PM (NOIQH)
I though the idea was the rate would be lowered to 20%, but there would be no deductions of any kind. Which as a practical matter *does* mean the high income bracket pays more since they don't have as many options for getting out of it, but what they seem to pay (the quoted rate) goes down.
Posted by: Methos at August 26, 2015 07:31 PM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 26, 2015 07:31 PM (2lndx)
Whenever I think of Marco Rubio, I think of those Japanese Kwai cartoon eyes that show lots of little white reflection bubbles.
OO
\_/
Posted by: imp at August 26, 2015 07:31 PM (XIXZz)
Posted by: Jeb at August 26, 2015 07:31 PM (z6X+C)
He's addicted to the idea that the government is indispensable. He can't even consider that both colleges and government have made the mess before us.
I bet he has an aid follow him into the bathroom to shake it after taking a piss.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 26, 2015 07:31 PM (Ck8hC)
Posted by: Ever at August 26, 2015 07:31 PM (QZdJj)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 26, 2015 07:31 PM (rwI+c)
That guy is going to win Pa.
And possibly other NE states.
He wins in a landslide.
...
yes... but we've had the opportunity to "increase our appeal to democrats" before, by nominating liberal-ish candidates, but did not do so, for obvious reasons (I'd rather lose than sell out on these issues! was the war cry then); what has changed, exactly?
If you want to win Democrats, we can embrace Huckabee's Jesus Socialism too.
Why not?
If we're no longer against the expansion of the state, what are we for, exactly?
Posted by: ace at August 26, 2015 07:32 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: imp at August 26, 2015 07:32 PM (XIXZz)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 26, 2015 07:33 PM (2lndx)
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at August 26, 2015 07:33 PM (1i8ZT)
Posted by: bjk at August 26, 2015 07:33 PM (x2rNW)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 26, 2015 07:33 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: The Governor at August 26, 2015 07:33 PM (wzvkj)
If we're no longer against the expansion of the state, what are we for, exactly?
Posted by: ace
Personally? Ramming the State into the dirt as supersonic speed.
Posted by: imp at August 26, 2015 07:33 PM (XIXZz)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 26, 2015 07:33 PM (rwI+c)
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Of course the major point is that colleges won't just enroll any joker who wants to take Interesting But Useless Studies for four years if they are accountable for it.
Not that I'm in favor of colleges returning money to these jokers; I'm not. But that's part of the argument
Posted by: Jenny Mourns Jeff Goldblum at August 26, 2015 07:34 PM (7pbQd)
Posted by: Grump928(C) looks poleaxed at August 26, 2015 07:34 PM (rwI+c)
Why OWS populated w/whiny, overeducated jerks.
However, universities DO offer a lot of mickey mouse degrees that will almost never get result in a salary that surpasses the tuition cost - anything that ends in "studies."
Posted by: Hillary! at August 26, 2015 07:34 PM (NOIQH)
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."
Posted by: kartoffel at August 26, 2015 07:35 PM (brkc3)
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at August 26, 2015 07:35 PM (1i8ZT)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 26, 2015 07:35 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2015 07:35 PM (39g3+)
And he is pitching cutting middle class taxes.
I don't think this is a bad position. Or necessarily a Democrat position.
Posted by: blaster at August 26, 2015 07:35 PM (ZFt7y)
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at August 26, 2015 07:35 PM (e/W+h)
Posted by: bjk at August 26, 2015 07:35 PM (x2rNW)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 26, 2015 07:35 PM (oVJmc)
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The answers are going to be pretty uncomfortable
Posted by: Jenny Mourns Jeff Goldblum at August 26, 2015 07:35 PM (7pbQd)
Sit Down, Rubio! Go back to Univision! You weren't called!
Posted by: Donald Trump at August 26, 2015 07:35 PM (Vf5rR)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2015 07:36 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 07:36 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: ¡Jeb! at August 26, 2015 07:36 PM (W5DcG)
Of course, this was way back when dinosaurs roamed the earth and it cost about 2 grand a year.
Posted by: tu3031 at August 26, 2015 07:36 PM (YFFpo)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at August 26, 2015 07:27 PM (q20+R)
Well, yeah, but he's had a lifetime of practice with a mentoring family of douchebags.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at August 26, 2015 07:36 PM (yMVjf)
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at August 26, 2015 07:36 PM (1i8ZT)
Posted by: blaster at August 26, 2015 07:36 PM (ZFt7y)
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at August 26, 2015 07:37 PM (nFdGS)
what happened to jeff goldblum?
I think Buzzion killed him
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2015 07:36 PM (39g3+)
i spend my day looking for news about supposed dead people.......damn you all
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 26, 2015 07:37 PM (0O7c5)
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Same thing that happened to Buzzion. Which is to say that I don't really know
Posted by: Jenny Mourns Jeff Goldblum at August 26, 2015 07:37 PM (7pbQd)
Sure, we'll have to "tax" attractive people by making them work eight hours a day (twelve hours a day on weekends) in the sex booths (because banging ugly people is a human rights violation, amiritehere? I mean, social justice requires ugly folks to get pretty-person nookie, yes?) but surely that's a small price to pay for universal happiness.
Posted by: filbert at August 26, 2015 07:37 PM (JvPqF)
If Trump can capture all those voters who don't participate because they hate the system, Milania better start picking out new curtains for the White House.
Posted by: kallisto at August 26, 2015 07:37 PM (kD8Fh)
Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical handle at August 26, 2015 07:37 PM (1i8ZT)
The ideas, they flow like water
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 26, 2015 07:26 PM (Ii765)
.............................
or a bad case of the runs.
Posted by: wth at August 26, 2015 07:37 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Jenny Mourns Jeff Goldblum at August 26, 2015 07:37 PM (7pbQd)
sigh
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 26, 2015 07:38 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 26, 2015 07:38 PM (DsveK)
Huh? That was the big complaint, even at the time, of Romney, and to a lesser extent McCain.
A lot of the Trump crap going on now is a rehash of Romney, from once supporting abortion to once supporting ACA-style health plans.
What's whacked is that the establishment doesn't want him and the grass-roots does.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 26, 2015 07:38 PM (2lndx)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 07:38 PM (zOTsN)
The Florida GOP, at the behest of the Bushes, changed their primary rules to winner-take-all, in order to better accommodate Crown Prince Jeb in his presumed unstoppable march to the Republican nomination.
Unfortunately for Jeb, the way the polling in FL looks right now, Trump is going to be the winner who takes all of those delegates, while Jeb and Tattoo-De-Plane Rubio get the second and third place prizes of nothing and nothing.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 26, 2015 07:38 PM (noWW6)
Hmm, Ace. Maybe you should do a post about how out of touch our betters in the political class are regarding the general emotional state of the electorate?
Oh, yeah. We covered that yesterday.
Posted by: filbert at August 26, 2015 07:39 PM (JvPqF)
hahahaha, remember when the GOP was supposedly THE PARTY OF IDEAS?
today they're The Party Of Ah-Doys
Posted by: Soothsayerwing Plover at August 26, 2015 07:39 PM (1i8ZT)
And he is pitching cutting middle class taxes.
I don't think this is a bad position. Or necessarily a Democrat position.
...
we'll see, will depend on details, obviously.
but i hear hm making a lot of Huey Longish sounds.
Posted by: ace at August 26, 2015 07:39 PM (dciA+)
Me, I'ma take the Humungus's advice & just walk away.
G'night, foax.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - fire-hook, check; mtcmtmail= at August 26, 2015 07:39 PM (go6ud)
Posted by: wth at August 26, 2015 07:39 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: dogfish at August 26, 2015 07:40 PM (jWtyG)
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And the networks better start figuring out the best timeslot for "Ow, My Balls".
Seriously, why is "He gets people who don't pay attention excited" a good thing?
Posted by: Jenny Mourns Jeff Goldblum at August 26, 2015 07:40 PM (7pbQd)
The last time anyone saw Ace, did he have a goatee where before that he did not?
Not complaining. I like evil Ace better.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at August 26, 2015 07:40 PM (m3iiU)
Rubio? Seems to me a lot of angry people elected & re elected Sir Golfs A lot
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 26, 2015 07:40 PM (vM+YG)
You need training and classes.
Those do not have to come from a college.
Colleges and universities need colleges and universities.
Sadly, none of this will change before a massive upheaval takes place.
Posted by: Positive Waves at August 26, 2015 07:40 PM (MQEz6)
i want government rolled back.
We are currently not paying our load in taxes for all the government we have; the bill is passed on (until the point it cannot be repaid and we have a catastrophe).
in a way, I think we SHOULD pay more taxes so we're quite clear on what all this gold-plated government actually costs us.
right now we're hiding those costs from ourselves.
Posted by: ace at August 26, 2015 07:40 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Jeb! and Boobio at August 26, 2015 07:41 PM (vsbNu)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 07:41 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 26, 2015 07:41 PM (DsveK)
Posted by: bergerbilder at August 26, 2015 07:41 PM (+jijM)
Immigration is a more important issue than taxes.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster Unbarreled at August 26, 2015 07:41 PM (0NdlF)
Unless this is some super-smart head-fake by the establishment.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 26, 2015 07:41 PM (2lndx)
Posted by: bjk at August 26, 2015 07:41 PM (x2rNW)
Posted by: bjk at August 26, 2015 07:41 PM (x2rNW)
Posted by: Crazy Joe at August 26, 2015 07:41 PM (aTKyV)
Vamos a conceder la ciudadanía y la educación universitaria gratuita a todos los extranjeros ilegales en el día en que asuma el cargo de Presidente de los Estados Unidos. Votar temprano, votar a menudo!
Posted by: Chingadero Jeb! at August 26, 2015 07:42 PM (/jQI1)
hate the system, Milania better start picking out new curtains for the
White House."
And wouldn't it be a refreshing surprise to have a First Lady who isn't intent on inserting her own personal preferences, as federal policy, into the lives of hundreds of millions of her fellow citizens?
FFS, she could change the curtains twice a week on our dime, and we would be coming out ahead on that deal.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 26, 2015 07:42 PM (noWW6)
There were lots of people in college during the draft years.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 26, 2015 07:42 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: dogfish at August 26, 2015 07:42 PM (jWtyG)
Since you read the comments, you know I've been pushing Populism for years. Populism works. Nativism works. Even Mercantilism works. Sometimes the elite need to be reminded that the government exists for it's citizens, not the other way around.
Posted by: Grump928(C) looks poleaxed at August 26, 2015 07:42 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Havildar Major at August 26, 2015 07:42 PM (jpW6t)
I don't think this is a bad position. Or necessarily a Democrat position.
...
we'll see, will depend on details, obviously.
but i hear hm making a lot of Huey Longish sounds.
Posted by: ace at August 26, 2015 07:39 PM (dciA+)
Er. Did you just say a Trump position would depend on the details?
Innnn-teresting.
(I'm starting to get a real bad feeling that Trump might actually be able to win this thing. Which would be FABULOUS for bloggers, I suspect.)
Posted by: filbert at August 26, 2015 07:42 PM (JvPqF)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 26, 2015 07:37 PM (0O7c5)
Nobody tell her about AtC.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster Unbarreled at August 26, 2015 07:42 PM (0NdlF)
You can't do that long term.
Posted by: blaster at August 26, 2015 07:42 PM (ZFt7y)
He's running an old fashioned populist Huey Long campaign too. If he's suddenly shot by his bodyguards I guess we know what's going on.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2015 07:43 PM (39g3+)
Stephen, you would be right if those were Trumps current positions. But they are not, and no one thinks that he is sevretly lying about flip flopping to get elected. If there's one thing he projects, it's genuineness. Now, he is genuinely flopping, but he is not saying he's "severely conservative" or some such crap. He's saying he can't be bought and won't pander. Like Chris whatshisname, he doesn't placate.
Posted by: imp at August 26, 2015 07:43 PM (XIXZz)
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I feel like this needs that gif if Amy Poehler in Mean Girls, pathetically asserting that she's not a regular mom---she's a cool mom.
Rubio's just so hip, you guys
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at August 26, 2015 07:43 PM (7pbQd)
Posted by: ConservativeMonster Unbarreled
This X 1000.
Posted by: dogfish at August 26, 2015 07:43 PM (jWtyG)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015
Damn! That's too bad, I hear it was a nice one
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 26, 2015 07:43 PM (vM+YG)
Posted by: Hillary!s feet at August 26, 2015 07:44 PM (wAQA5)
They tend to get sort of brutal when backed against the wall though. Trump better watch his comb-over.
But I agree. It doesn't hurt a democracy to go nuts once in a while and slap around its leadership. That's what Jefferson was talking about with his 'regular revolution' idea.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2015 07:44 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Grump928(C) looks poleaxed at August 26, 2015 07:44 PM (rwI+c)
Let's remind ourselves that for the bottom fifty percent of American income earners, roughly estimated, paying "more taxes" would actually entail their paying taxes in the first place, which they presently are not.
No wonder all of that Big Government malarkey is popular: they're not shouldering any of the bills for it.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 26, 2015 07:44 PM (noWW6)
But politicians keep insisting that everyone needs to go, and therefore, they *need* to provide a way to make this happen w/taxpayer money, and then all that sweet, sweet graft and kickback can happen, such as Democrats raking in the big bucks making speeches at colleges, etc.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 26, 2015 07:44 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 07:44 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: dogfish at August 26, 2015 07:45 PM (jWtyG)
Posted by: hillary at August 26, 2015 07:45 PM (pgzyN)
And have the college fund it from prof salaries and administration, not the government.
That would be impossible, but the concept of the university itself guaranteeing THEIR product at least is more sensible than subsidy for dropouts.
Posted by: Illiniwek at August 26, 2015 07:46 PM (6zZ5y)
Posted by: kallisto at August 26, 2015 07:37 PM (kD8Fh)
I have been getting the same feeling and seeing a lot of, usually disinterested folks, getting into it. The thought of a complete political outsider in the White House excites them.
Me, too. I prefer Der Tedmeister, but I can go with a Trump.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at August 26, 2015 07:46 PM (yMVjf)
Posted by: dogfish at August 26, 2015 07:46 PM (jWtyG)
Posted by: Richard Gere at August 26, 2015 07:46 PM (DsveK)
79 Jeb! has a Malaria?
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 26, 2015 07:41 PM (DsveK)
What's he doing with Obamas daughter?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 26, 2015 07:46 PM (vM+YG)
Yeah, I'd love to see the hidden taxes put up front, too. Especially the Social Security/Medicare tax that we don't pay, our employers pay [
]. Also the tax on corporations. But people have no sense of math.
I'm still surprised there isn't a serious plan to abolish all taxes and just print extra money.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 26, 2015 07:46 PM (2lndx)
"Sometimes the elite need to be reminded that the government exists for it's citizens, not the other way around."
G'night again.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - fire-hook, check; salt-bag, check at August 26, 2015 07:46 PM (go6ud)
Posted by: Grump928(C) looks poleaxed at August 26, 2015 07:47 PM (rwI+c)
They get you elected, sure, because explaining economics to stupid people is impossible.
Posted by: kartoffel at August 26, 2015 07:47 PM (brkc3)
Posted by: Positive Waves
A real leader can precipitate those changes before things get catastrophic.
I bet not a single one of the candidates has read either of Glenn Reynold's books on the subject.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 26, 2015 07:47 PM (Ck8hC)
You can't do that long term.
Posted by: blaster
Bob Brinker (financial guy) said on his radio show this past weekend that no country ever pays its debt. It only pays the interest.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 26, 2015 07:47 PM (W5DcG)
I only caught five minutes of that first gang-debate where Megywyn kelly farted all over the place ... but I got to see Jeb try to talk for a minute, or so. Man ... he is one incredible dumbshit. He looked like a retarded deer caught in someone's Christmas lights.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 26, 2015 07:47 PM (MYSVz)
Posted by: Reverend Ike at August 26, 2015 07:47 PM (msVAP)
http://tinyurl.com/nc7p7gn
I don't know why but this story really cracked me up. I must be getting callous.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2015 07:48 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Reverend Ike at August 26, 2015 07:48 PM (msVAP)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 26, 2015 07:48 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Reverend Ike at August 26, 2015 07:49 PM (msVAP)
That will get the votes.
Posted by: Hank at August 26, 2015 07:49 PM (0Aqa7)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 26, 2015 07:47 PM (Ck8hC)
Yeah, I doubt that very seriously.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at August 26, 2015 07:49 PM (yMVjf)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 07:49 PM (zOTsN)
The polity is not interested in maximum efficiency in global trade. Nor should they be.
Posted by: Grump928(C) looks poleaxed at August 26, 2015 07:49 PM (rwI+c)
About a fourth of my classes were taken to satisfy the college's plan.
Looking back I see how they stole from me.
Posted by: Positive Waves at August 26, 2015 07:49 PM (MQEz6)
Large employers used to rely on "training and classes" to get the majority of their workforces up to speed on what they needed to know to function productively in the workplace. Those employers typically used IQ tests to determine which employees were worth the investment of training dollars. (Just as did the military.)
Then the black-robed radicals on the federal bench pissed all over that sensible scheme, which had made American industrial productivity the envy of the world, in _Griggs v. Duke Power_.
So those employers started using a college degree as a proxy for the IQ tests which they were no longer permitted, by federal diktat, to use.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 26, 2015 07:49 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: navybrat at August 26, 2015 07:49 PM (JgC5a)
Cool dad is really pathetic dad
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 07:44 PM (zOTsN)
Cool dad is a pussy with no spine and no conviction. His kids end up strung out and knocked up on Jerry Springer.
Posted by: rebel flounder at August 26, 2015 07:49 PM (Vf5rR)
Posted by: ace at August 26, 2015 07:32 PM (dciA+)
but ace, that seems totally backwards to me.
The last how many nominees have been liberal-ish candidates? And they didn't win (or in Bush's case, barely won).
And the problem is, even the ones who talked conservative while running for office ended up governing as liberal-ish.
So I'm not sure what your point is, tbh.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 26, 2015 07:49 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Horatius at August 26, 2015 07:50 PM (ez6Am)
"As for EVERYONE!!! You all pass. You are all Magna Cum Laude!" Congrartulations, grads."
Yeah ... I'm not sure that idea would work. After all, Columbia and Hah-vahd managed to graduate Barky and he still couldn't pass any reasonable high school equivalency test.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 26, 2015 07:50 PM (MYSVz)
No other Republican candidate does that.
There is something to that.
Posted by: blaster at August 26, 2015 07:50 PM (ZFt7y)
Eventually war or collapse take care of the debt.
Posted by: Grump928(C) looks poleaxed at August 26, 2015 07:50 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2015 07:50 PM (bLnSU)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 26, 2015 07:51 PM (2lndx)
Posted by: Glenn Beck at August 26, 2015 07:51 PM (+iGxf)
Yep. Fine with it. Trump will likely deliver on one thing. And that will be one more thing than the GOPe will do.
The rest is SMOD personified. I'm OK with that too. I want the Uniparty to be one giant, massive, yuuuuge, smoldering crater. And then I want it filled in with an underground parking garage with a Trump sign.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 26, 2015 07:51 PM (1CroS)
We're in deep deep trouble. We have an a-skeered Federal Reserve basing its monetary policy on market reaction.
Shit is Real.
Posted by: Soothsayerwing Plover at August 26, 2015 07:52 PM (1i8ZT)
You think it's better for a people in the long term that they be protected from competition than that they be made to compete? The polity is interested in being comfortable. Ask the Greeks.
Posted by: kartoffel at August 26, 2015 07:52 PM (brkc3)
Posted by: california red at August 26, 2015 07:29 PM (q6yxu)
This right here. Government student aid is nothing more than a taxpayer subsidy to the education industry. The more aid there is, the higher tuition rates go.
Once upon a time it was possible for students to work their way through college by taking odd jobs like waiting tables or delivering pizzas. And students who show promise can get scholarships.
Get rid of the government loans and grants, and colleges will be forced to lower their tuition to what people can actually afford to pay. That will in turn force them to cut out the deadwood, like Marxist professors and "studies" programs.
Posted by: rickl at August 26, 2015 07:52 PM (sdi6R)
But these are the guys who finance the corruption.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 26, 2015 07:52 PM (dvuhZ)
He is the only SERIOUS candidate running for president.
Landslide!
Posted by: Kreplach at August 26, 2015 07:52 PM (eDW1j)
Cool dad is a pussy with no spine and no conviction. His kids end up strung out and knocked up on Jerry Springer.
So, Joe Biden.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 26, 2015 07:53 PM (oVJmc)
I'm not sure this is as common as it used to be, except in certain sectors though. There's a glut of college students and companies like Google are finding that good grades in college don't translate reliably into quality workers.
Most people shouldn't go to college. And colleges should reflect that by being much more selective.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2015 07:53 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at August 26, 2015 07:53 PM (ucDmr)
On the one hand, I'm not going to vote for Trump in the general (nor Jebbers, nor Grandma Clinton).
On the other hand, I'm happy with him generally making other people sad and angry, because that's funny and cathartic to me.
On the gripping hand, Trump isn't a vicious ideologue like Bammers or Grandma Clinton (or Warren), so it may be alright if he wins, cos he won't be fighting tooth and nail to push the socialist agenda. He might actually be amenable to compromise, you know?
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at August 26, 2015 07:53 PM (k9qR4)
Posted by: another joe at August 26, 2015 07:53 PM (lGM0q)
Posted by: Jeb Cooper at August 26, 2015 07:53 PM (W5DcG)
I think it's their choice. Cultures can go for centuries with gross inefficiencies IF that's what they want.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 26, 2015 07:53 PM (rwI+c)
obama the terrorist called Yellin and said don't even think of bursting that big-ass bubble while I'm still in office
Posted by: Soothsayerwing Plover at August 26, 2015 07:53 PM (1i8ZT)
Posted by: Blake MacBain at August 26, 2015 07:54 PM (7KT4u)
Had a friend who worked for Harvard in the 90's and - get this - over 90% of graduates (undergrads) did so "with honors."
Posted by: Lizzy at August 26, 2015 07:54 PM (NOIQH)
Then the black-robed radicals on the federal bench pissed all over that sensible scheme, which had made American industrial productivity the envy of the world, in _Griggs v. Duke Power_.
So those employers started using a college degree as a proxy for the IQ tests which they were no longer permitted, by federal diktat, to use.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 26, 2015 07:49 PM"
^^^this^^^
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 26, 2015 07:54 PM (go6ud)
Posted by: another joe at August 26, 2015 07:53 PM (lGM0q)
Closer to 50%, if not higher.
Posted by: filbert at August 26, 2015 07:54 PM (JvPqF)
But they can run on cutting regulation, and border control, and fraud and waste, and even run against global warming crap. Run on all budget control stuff that polls well, slam any government giveaways.
Another budget control, removing illegals by offering them money like France did. Cut off their subsidies, but offer $2000 cash when they exit the bus ... in Mexico, or off the plane in Honduras. They would line up to leave?
Posted by: Illiniwek at August 26, 2015 07:55 PM (6zZ5y)
Democrats: You get a check from the Federal Government
Republicans: You get a check from the Federal Government, And a check from the State Government financed by a Federal block grant. And a tax credit. And a lobbyist job for your idiot son who barely graduated Dartmouth.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 26, 2015 07:55 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: freaked at August 26, 2015 07:55 PM (BO/km)
Reverend Ike
.......................
Can you hear me yelling from the next cell to STFU or else, brother? Tryin' to get some sleep in here mother***ker!
Posted by: Big Ike at August 26, 2015 07:55 PM (wAQA5)
But these are the guys who finance the corruption.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 26, 2015 07:52 PM (dvuhZ)
Or a very subtle warning shot for them to cut back on their donations to the establishment candidates?
Posted by: Ynot you say at August 26, 2015 07:56 PM (TFWFz)
None of the other guys will fight the PC police. But they will increase spending.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 26, 2015 07:56 PM (fJ5wU)
Republicans: You get a check from the Federal Government, And a check from the State Government financed by a Federal block grant. And a tax credit. And a lobbyist job for your idiot son who barely graduated Dartmouth.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 26, 2015 07:55 PM (kdS6q)
LIVs: Republican plan is just too complex. We'll vote for the Democrats.
Posted by: filbert at August 26, 2015 07:56 PM (JvPqF)
Oh, SMOD, I await your loving embrace!!!1!
Posted by: Agent J at August 26, 2015 07:56 PM (ueOgE)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 26, 2015 07:56 PM (oFCZn)
If Trump wins the Republican nomination, I'll vote for him just as I voted for previous, equally weak GOP nominees, but after that I'm no longer a Republican. I go independent and won't look back.
I hold out little hope for the formation of a viable third party, which is what happened after the passage of the Fugitive Slave Act in 1852, when the Whigs refused to fight and played go-along and get-along with the Democrats. The Republican Party came about because credible leaders led the way. I just don't see that kind of leadership now.
Posted by: troyriser at August 26, 2015 07:56 PM (gJU39)
And the more trash non productive, non-liberal arts courses they can offer like African American Lesbian Midget Studies. The more faculty they can hire like Vice President of Multiculturalism and Diversity. Starve them of cash and make them cut back the fat.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2015 07:57 PM (39g3+)
Luntz the Pollster would like to consult with you, Marco. That joyous, head-in-the-sand optimism chatter? Makes a fine Sunday morning cartoon script.
Serious adults have had a lifetimes' worth of pablum. I'd kinda like something else from the menu.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 26, 2015 07:57 PM (1CroS)
Posted by: freaked at August 26, 2015 07:55 PM (BO/km)
A gay Mexican frat, maybe.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 26, 2015 07:57 PM (MYSVz)
--
I have said before that Trump is a centrist from the 90s.
It's just that both parties have moved so left / authoritarian in 20 years that he seems conservative now.
I'm fine with voting for a 90s centrist.
Posted by: @votermom at August 26, 2015 07:57 PM (aIXoA)
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at August 26, 2015 07:57 PM (7pbQd)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2015 07:44 PM (39g3+)
The Tree of Liberty has that not-so-fresh feeling.
Posted by: bergerbilder at August 26, 2015 07:57 PM (+jijM)
i don't have much to say. But I think it would be good to have some holy Santos brought to the high school to guard the hallway and to bring us good luck. El Santo Niño de Atocha is a good one. My Aunt Concha has seen him. And...we have a great FFA schedule lined up and I'd like to see more of that. If you vote for me , all of your wildest dreams will come true. Thank you
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 26, 2015 07:57 PM (0O7c5)
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at August 26, 2015 07:57 PM (7pbQd)
Posted by: filbert at August 26, 2015 07:54 PM (JvPqF)
Based on exams I graded as a TA 10 years ago, I'd say 90-95%.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 26, 2015 07:58 PM (oFCZn)
Jeb Bush killed by Zombie Buzzion
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 26, 2015 07:56 PM (oFCZn)
Buzzion fired first!
Posted by: Han Solo at August 26, 2015 07:58 PM (JvPqF)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 07:58 PM (zOTsN)
Ronald Reagan that's who.
The even had a name for them.
They called them Reagan Democrats.
Get it.
You see, they registered and self identified as democrats but they voted for Reagan - TWICE!!
In huge numbers.
A landslide even.
Now don't be going all Lloyd Bentson on my ass, you get the point.
Posted by: Kreplach at August 26, 2015 07:58 PM (eDW1j)
cancandidate than Trump. If we are going to explode let's do it in style.
Posted by: freaked at August 26, 2015 07:58 PM (BO/km)
Posted by: Soothsayerwing Plover
I don't think an actual call was necessary. She wouldn't be there if she didn't know the rules of the game.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 26, 2015 07:58 PM (W5DcG)
Case in point, my Father.
Left High School to fight in WW2, got a GED...
Ended up as a Senior (ie over saw other engineers) Engineer for ATT.... when he had started out climbing polls for them.
Me on the other hand? Ret. Navy electronics guy, with 35 years of varied IT experience... yet am an a HUGE disadvantage in the job market, because I don't have the bachelors in IT that did not even EXIST when I started in this field...
Oh.... and I do have more than enough credits for a bachelors, but Colleges will not take credits older than 10 years in Technical fields (ie, they want their money)...
College is a BUSINESS... and one whose prices have increased much faster than the rate of inflation... because they have a virtual monopoly on the job market...
Posted by: BB Wolf at August 26, 2015 07:58 PM (qh617)
I say we give the fella with the biggest mouth a disproportionate amount of praise and encouragement to continue to monkeyfuck his rivals.
Are you not entertained?
Posted by: Fritz at August 26, 2015 07:58 PM (KJ2mA)
Posted by: Golfman at August 26, 2015 07:59 PM (48QDY)
Then they're choosing death. Stagnation is death. The monkeys will have their jerbs while the Chinese mine the asteroid belt.
Posted by: kartoffel at August 26, 2015 07:59 PM (brkc3)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 26, 2015 07:59 PM (DsveK)
What they should do is eliminate all departments that don't produce graduates that provide a substantial contribution to the tax revenue.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 26, 2015 07:59 PM (zpZLP)
Posted by: Lizzy at August 26, 2015 07:54 PM (NOIQH)
Yep. Hah-vahd thinks they are all at the top of the bell curve just for getting accepted. The numbers were almost as bad for hah-vahd Lawn Care School when Barky "graduated". I love it, he's a Hah-vahd trained lawyer who doesn't know the proper usage of "per se". It really is kinda funny, in an insane, pathetic way.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 26, 2015 08:00 PM (MYSVz)
Obama did too, that was his secret to winning. Well that and rampant voter fraud. But he attracted people who ordinarily don't vote or are disinterested.
That seems to be the key in politics now. That seems to be the way to win.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2015 08:00 PM (39g3+)
Screw 'em. I'm done carrying water for corporations and the wealthy. They didn't back me up on the things I cared about.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 26, 2015 08:00 PM (fJ5wU)
But these are the guys who finance the corruption.
This attitude towards the finance industry has done wonders for Europe hasn't it?
Posted by: AD at August 26, 2015 08:00 PM (AmWqF)
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Jeb was trying to hug him and hand him a free college education
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at August 26, 2015 08:00 PM (7pbQd)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 26, 2015 08:01 PM (vM+YG)
Posted by: steevy at August 26, 2015 08:01 PM (sPO3u)
If daddy Bush was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. WTF was in Jebs mouth?,
By current actions, his foot.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 26, 2015 08:01 PM (oVJmc)
I'm not sure anybody can tell at this point if there's anybody he actually likes. Perhaps he's like Treebeard: he's not on anybody's side, because nobody is on his side.
Posted by: Agent J at August 26, 2015 08:01 PM (ueOgE)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 26, 2015 08:02 PM (DsveK)
"I know people in hedge funds that pay almost nothing"
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How are they avoiding income tax?
Posted by: irright at August 26, 2015 08:02 PM (DtNNC)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 26, 2015 08:02 PM (oVJmc)
Well that and probably white male.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2015 08:02 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 26, 2015 07:59 PM (DsveK)
Zombie Buzzion was wearing a sombrero so of course Yeb rushed to embrace him.
As far as Dondi Rubio, I'd deport him to the Azores if I was president.
What? It's an island like Cuba.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 26, 2015 08:02 PM (oFCZn)
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Jeb was trying to hug him and hand him a free college education
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at August 26, 2015 08:00 PM (7pbQd)
Have we had threadwinner yet?
This looks like a threadwinner.
Posted by: filbert at August 26, 2015 08:02 PM (JvPqF)
Posted by: Boss Moss
Don't they have access to firearms?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 26, 2015 08:03 PM (W5DcG)
If daddy Bush was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. WTF was in Jebs mouth?,
By current actions, his foot.
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Ahem. That's silver foot, and I said it first.
Posted by: Ann Richards at August 26, 2015 08:03 PM (7pbQd)
Posted by: Kreplach at August 26, 2015 07:58 PM (eDW1j)
Reagan democrats are either elderly or dead.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 26, 2015 08:03 PM (vM+YG)
Posted by: Golfman at August 26, 2015 08:04 PM (48QDY)
Posted by: bergerbilder at August 26, 2015 08:04 PM (+jijM)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 08:04 PM (zOTsN)
an a HUGE disadvantage in the job market, because I don't have the
bachelors in IT that did not even EXIST when I started in this field...
Also you're older than 30, so you might expect to be paid.
Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at August 26, 2015 08:04 PM (rHXGG)
Let's play GUESS THAT MEDICATION ( and dosage )
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at August 26, 2015 08:04 PM (ySzLz)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 26, 2015 08:04 PM (DsveK)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 08:05 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2015 08:00 PM (39g3+)
If you are doing it from the right, GOPE certainly gift-wrapped that for someone.
Posted by: rebel flounder at August 26, 2015 08:05 PM (Vf5rR)
He's like Elizabeth Warren, minus the cookbook.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 26, 2015 08:05 PM (fJ5wU)
Jeb Bush killed by Zombie Buzzion
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 26, 2015 07:56 PM (oFCZn)
Wait. I thought zombies were after brains.
Posted by: rickl at August 26, 2015 08:05 PM (sdi6R)
28 Days Later - Those zombies could run like hell! And they could swim after boats, too.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 26, 2015 08:05 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Jeb! (Pronounced Haay-beb) at August 26, 2015 08:05 PM (sx/28)
Meh. It depends. I would be willing to pay a 20% premium on all my products if they were all made here, by American citizens. As I keep saying, free trade helps all in general, but harms some people and some nations in particular. It is at least something a self-governing polity should discuss.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 26, 2015 08:05 PM (rwI+c)
Let's play GUESS THAT MEDICATION ( and dosage )
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at August 26, 2015 08:04 PM (ySzLz)
Ooh, I'm good at that one . . .
Posted by: Rick Perry at August 26, 2015 08:05 PM (JvPqF)
Posted by: Bill H at August 26, 2015 08:06 PM (Baojj)
And then The Rich bought a lot of politicians that made the Middle Class start paying and writing in loopholes for The Rich.
And here we is today with a 40,000 page tax code.
Posted by: CozMark at August 26, 2015 08:06 PM (CbGSW)
Posted by: Just call me Turtle. My family does. at August 26, 2015 08:06 PM (/jQI1)
Posted by: teh Jebster at August 26, 2015 08:06 PM (DtNNC)
203 yet am an a HUGE disadvantage in the job market, because I don't have the bachelors in IT that did not even EXIST when I started in this field..
Well that and probably white male.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2015 08:02 PM (39g3+)
And don't speak Hindi, or Urdu....
Posted by: BB Wolf at August 26, 2015 08:06 PM (qh617)
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at August 26, 2015 08:04 PM (ySzLz)
Kennedy lobotomy?,
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 26, 2015 08:06 PM (vM+YG)
Posted by: Bill H at August 26, 2015 08:07 PM (Baojj)
*spit*
Posted by: torabora at August 26, 2015 08:07 PM (xgC3d)
Posted by: Jeb Bush at August 26, 2015 08:07 PM (fJ5wU)
I do like that he's giving the establishment hell--but appreciate the man for what he is: A fantastic salesman and an expert at giving people hell. As far as a leader, a populist, an enemy of Wall Street, an economic guru, I'm, um, skeptical.
Posted by: AD at August 26, 2015 08:07 PM (AmWqF)
Trump could still get their ballots.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 26, 2015 08:08 PM (1CroS)
How about Trump is attracting natural Democrats who are Conservstive Curious or possibly questioning and find his muscular American triumphalism stirring something deep in side them.
Something that dare not speak its name.
That they may actually turn to the dark side.
Posted by: Kreplach at August 26, 2015 08:08 PM (eDW1j)
Blah blah blah. You fucking Trumptards are the mirror image of Obama's drooling masses, wanting to project your mindthoughts into any stupid thing he says.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at August 26, 2015 08:08 PM (1RNgT)
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Wait...
I thought Schwarzenneger couldn't run for president since he was only a naturalized citizen?
Posted by: junior at August 26, 2015 08:09 PM (FRGa/)
See Michael Brown who was starting school the day before Darrin Wilson gunned his studious ass down.
Posted by: Golfman at August 26, 2015 08:09 PM (48QDY)
"Kennedy lobotomy?,
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 26, 2015 08:06 PM"
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Most powerful cocktail known to mankind.
Posted by: Bartender's Guide at August 26, 2015 08:10 PM (DtNNC)
Populism is not what is "popular," it is what appeals to the general public - that is, the uninformed, ignorant, stupid, low information assholes that don't read the HQ.
It is by nature an emotional appeal that tends to blame a specified group for all the problems (bankers!) but that does not mean populism is always wrong, just mostly and when it is right it is usually for the wrong reasons.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at August 26, 2015 08:10 PM (LWu6U)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 26, 2015 08:05 PM (fJ5wU)
Hi, my name's Jeb. I bet you've wondered: what is Mexican food really like? Well, now your questions are answered in my new Mexican cookbook! You'll learn about great recipes like Authentic Mexican Lobster Bisque, Authentic Mexican Crab Dip, and Authentic Mexican Deep-Fried Oreos.
All those, and over 50 more mouth-watering recipes, all for the low, low price of one vote for ME for President.
And if you vote early, you'll get one free year of college tuition for your kids for every extra year they take to finish their four-year degree. But wait, there's more! If you also send in your $5 pledge, I'll include a special CD, "Jeb Bush Sings Your Favorite Mexican Polkas." So call now!
Posted by: Jeb Bush at August 26, 2015 08:10 PM (ueOgE)
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at August 26, 2015 08:10 PM (yxw0r)
Well sign me up for the Treebeard party too.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2015 08:10 PM (39g3+)
So here's how it goes: Either
(1) Jeb is a liberal idiot who literally wants to throw money around in an irresponsible idiot way or
(2) He's an unprepared lout who has no idea what he's talking about.
Lest we forget, Jeb's ONLY strength is his inevitability. His professionalism. There's no evidence of that whatsoever.
Jeb donors have got to be regretting it bigtime.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 26, 2015 08:11 PM (Xd2w5)
Posted by: Senora Mrs. Jeb! at August 26, 2015 08:11 PM (wAQA5)
Sit. Listen.
Posted by: El Gobernador Jeb Bush at August 26, 2015 08:12 PM (8ZskC)
I don't know about that.
I do know that the Republican party donors and politicians spend all their time taking big poops on their voting base. The Democrats have their corporate wing too and they took dumps on their base all through the 1990s.
Without Obama as figurehead the Democrats will figure out that Dem Party corporatism didn't stop in 2001. (If they were honest they'd admit it didn't start in 1993, either, but - well, Democrats.)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at August 26, 2015 08:12 PM (AVEe1)
This.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 26, 2015 08:12 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: Jeb Bush, Aztec at August 26, 2015 08:13 PM (fJ5wU)
233 Misanthropic Humanitarian: "Reagan democrats are either elderly or dead."
Trump could still get their ballots.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 26, 2015 08:08 PM (1CroS)
I believe that's the best news I've heard all day
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 26, 2015 08:13 PM (vM+YG)
Posted by: Reverend Ike at August 26, 2015 08:13 PM (msVAP)
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Hey that doesn't sound too bad. Since most of the republicans in DC are democrats who don't want to restrict immigration and will occasionally say something about abortion being bad not do anything about it.
Posted by: Buzzion at August 26, 2015 08:13 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at August 26, 2015 08:13 PM (AVEe1)
We still tolerate Moo Moo on this blog, so what's your point?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 26, 2015 08:13 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: AD at August 26, 2015 08:14 PM (AmWqF)
If you forgot or you're unaware, Trump had a recurring role in the WWF antics about a decade ago.
He did really well. Stood toe to with some of the wrestlers. Trump is a big dude. He didn't wrestle any of them. Maybe put one in a headlock, I don't remember. But he did a great job in the ring playing along with that buffoon Vince McMahon.
Posted by: Soothsayer at August 26, 2015 08:14 PM (1i8ZT)
This is the best of Right side politics. This expands the party and moves the public to the Right.
Trump and Jeb offering free shit is the opposite.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at August 26, 2015 08:14 PM (LWu6U)
Its too dang hot here. But I'd take a kiss blown to me from an 'ette.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2015 08:14 PM (39g3+)
May I enchant you with the charming story of how I fell in love with my hispanic wife, and how I fell in love with hispanic people everywhere after that?
Sit. Listen.
Posted by: El Gobernador Jeb Bush
....................................
Si, he a good man. He eat anything an never bother me for the sex.
Posted by: Senora Mrs. Jeb! at August 26, 2015 08:15 PM (wAQA5)
Trump made some bet that if he lost, he'd shave his head on live TV. Trump, of course, didn't lose the bet and Vince ended up getting his hair buzzed off.
Posted by: Soothsayer at August 26, 2015 08:15 PM (1i8ZT)
And Reagan is dead, as is Marcus Aurelius.
Find a dog who'll eat a dog at this point.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 26, 2015 08:16 PM (fJ5wU)
He's like Elizabeth Warren, minus the cookbook.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 26, 2015 08:05 PM (fJ5wU)
Hispanic ain't a race, bub. Hispanic is a feeling.
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at August 26, 2015 08:16 PM (k9qR4)
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 26, 2015 08:16 PM (iIzG7)
Posted by: Jeb! at August 26, 2015 08:16 PM (Z+gXZ)
Posted by: Reverend Ike at August 26, 2015 08:16 PM (msVAP)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 26, 2015 08:17 PM (DsveK)
Posted by: Soothsayer at August 26, 2015 08:17 PM (1i8ZT)
Posted by: AD at August 26, 2015 08:07 PM (AmWqF)
Leader? Drawing crowds. Check.
Populist? See above. Check.
Enemy of Wall Street? TBD.
Economic guru? Not part of the presidential job description.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster Unbarreled at August 26, 2015 08:17 PM (0NdlF)
But in 25 years when pedophiles are legal he will be back
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 26, 2015 08:17 PM (vM+YG)
That's the only positive I think I've ever heard about the guy.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2015 08:17 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Sir Hillary Edmund Rodham Clinton at August 26, 2015 08:17 PM (8ZskC)
Reagan was also Governor of California for eight years. If Trump had something like that (and hadn't turned out like Schwarzenegger), I'd be less skeptical.
Posted by: AD at August 26, 2015 08:18 PM (AmWqF)
http://tinyurl.com/nnfygx3
In truth, it never really began.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at August 26, 2015 08:18 PM (AVEe1)
Posted by: Reverend Ike at August 26, 2015 08:18 PM (msVAP)
Posted by: AmishDude at August 26, 2015 08:18 PM (Xd2w5)
Sit. Listen.<<<
El Jefe, will you allow me the great honor and privilege of diddling your wife in the, er, pantry? Gracias, mi amigo.
Posted by: Paolo at August 26, 2015 08:18 PM (KJ2mA)
Can somebody besides Rand Paul stand up and say quit treating citizens differently under the law and advocate for a flat tax. Every progressive tax system is populist. It is ridiculous that every R doesn't advocate a flax tax.
But then again, they aren't conservative I guess.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 26, 2015 08:18 PM (ODxAs)
We just sitting here, minding our own beeswax. calmly discussing the whatnots of Trump and others, and in barges Mr Gristle who needs to rant and rave and dress everyone down and call everyone STUPID IDIOTS.
Posted by: Soothsayer at August 26, 2015 08:19 PM (1i8ZT)
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at August 26, 2015 08:19 PM (k9qR4)
Look up what the genius majored in. Go ahead. I'll wait.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 26, 2015 08:19 PM (Xd2w5)
Posted by: Soothsayer at August 26, 2015 08:20 PM (1i8ZT)
Posted by: Mentor of Arisia at August 26, 2015 08:20 PM (ybzJi)
I think what you were trying to say is, "GEH is an astute observer of human nature and a handsome bastard."
Pretty sure that's how it works with you dipshits.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at August 26, 2015 08:21 PM (1RNgT)
Sweet god, drawing crowds does not make you a leader. Do we really need to debate that?
"Populist? See above. Check."
I'll grant he's (mostly) talking like a populist. It's his record I'm skeptical of.
"Economic guru? Not part of the presidential job description."
Since we're talking about his tax plan, that's relevant here.
Posted by: AD at August 26, 2015 08:21 PM (AmWqF)
May I enchant you with the charming story of how I fell in love with my hispanic wife?
Posted by: El Gobernador Jeb Bush
The Simpsons - South of the Border
https://youtu.be/86iSmWYqU00?t=30s
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 26, 2015 08:21 PM (kdS6q)
Or Sanders.
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Cthulu vs Sanders.
Remind me... *which* one is the lesser evil?
Posted by: junior at August 26, 2015 08:21 PM (FRGa/)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 26, 2015 08:21 PM (DsveK)
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 26, 2015 08:21 PM (/HC6x)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 26, 2015 08:21 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2015 08:17 PM (39g3+)
Hey, now. He helps some of us believe we could someday become Latino governors.
Posted by: Slump-Shoulered Doughy Men's Association at August 26, 2015 08:22 PM (yxw0r)
Vindication!
And you jest but... the way things are going I think 25 might be on the long side.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2015 08:22 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: wooga at August 26, 2015 08:22 PM (66gs3)
"In another bipartisan signal, Mrs. Clinton also is calling for colleges
to be held liable for aid when their students default on loans, an idea
that has gained traction among members of both parties as a way to
control costs."
http://www.wsj.com/articles/ hillary-clinton-proposes-debt-free-tuition-at-public-colleges-1439179200
Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2015 08:22 PM (2XMpf)
Trump is kind of clever though because from this quotei can't tell that he wants to expand government. Simplifying the tax code and eliminatin loop holes would be glorious. I'd prefer a full flat tax, but any step in that direction would be good. I need to see a blatant case where he wants to create a new program.
Posted by: Tbag at August 26, 2015 08:23 PM (CEbuL)
Posted by: Jeb! Bush at August 26, 2015 08:23 PM (DsveK)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 26, 2015 08:23 PM (8ZskC)
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WHAT!? Next think I know you'll be claiming that having people swoon during your speech doesn't make you inspirational!
Posted by: junior at August 26, 2015 08:23 PM (FRGa/)
Posted by: junior at August 26, 2015 08:21 PM (FRGa/)
Cthulhu isn't a natural-born citizen; I think R'lyeh is somewhere in Melanesia, which might not be US sovereign territory
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at August 26, 2015 08:23 PM (AVEe1)
That sounds RAPEY!!!
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.
.
Wanna see me naked?
Posted by: Lena Dunham at August 26, 2015 08:23 PM (NOIQH)
Well no, it's practically the definition of a leader. If you want to include th' adjective "good", you'll have to try again later.
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at August 26, 2015 08:23 PM (k9qR4)
have alienated everybody to the extent that a nonpartisan populist has a
chance.
RCP's average currently has Trump at 27% favorable and 60% unfavorable.
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at August 26, 2015 08:24 PM (e/W+h)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 26, 2015 08:24 PM (NaeCR)
Posted by: wooga at August 26, 2015 08:22 PM (66gs3)
Ahh Megan from ODU if I remember correctly
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 26, 2015 08:24 PM (vM+YG)
It is ridiculous that every R doesn't advocate a flax tax.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 26, 2015 08:18 PM (ODxAs)
Go to hell.
Posted by: The Flax Weavers Guild at August 26, 2015 08:24 PM (sdi6R)
So where's the line between creepy old guy and silver fox? 'cause I'm pushing 50....
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2015 08:24 PM (39g3+)
Who does he think he is? That's Nip Sip's job.
Posted by: Joyful Tortoise at August 26, 2015 08:24 PM (/jQI1)
Here are the majors of the 6 men: Computer Engineering, Materials Engineering, Agricultural Engineering, Engineering (unspecified), Chemical Engineering, Aerospace Engineering.
Here are the majors of the 8 women: Engineering (unspecified), Mathematics, Global Resource Systems, Undecided, Agricultural Business, Agronomy, Biology, Agronomy.
Really says a lot about higher education and the gender gap.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 26, 2015 08:25 PM (Xd2w5)
*ahem*
Tanned, ready, rested, and already American!!
Yellowstone Caldera 2016!!!
Posted by: Yellowstone Caldera at August 26, 2015 08:25 PM (NOIQH)
And as an act of love I'd extend free health care to those who've snuck across the border.
Damn, I'm so right wing I'm giving myself a conservaboner right now.
Posted by: Jeb! at August 26, 2015 08:25 PM (Z+gXZ)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 26, 2015 08:13 PM (8ZskC)
For certain definitions of "tolerate."
Posted by: filbert at August 26, 2015 08:25 PM (JvPqF)
Ladies and Gentlemen, the next President of the United States.......Taylor Swift.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 26, 2015 08:25 PM (/HC6x)
Its all fun and dirty condoms until she starts packing a mattress around campus.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2015 08:26 PM (39g3+)
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I think he could probably get by on whichever clause the Founding Fathers used. He pre-dates the founding of the country, after all.
Posted by: junior at August 26, 2015 08:26 PM (FRGa/)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 26, 2015 08:26 PM (vM+YG)
Posted by: Positive Waves at August 26, 2015 08:26 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: wooga at August 26, 2015 08:22 PM (66gs3)
You, sir, are a poet.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at August 26, 2015 08:27 PM (yxw0r)
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at August 26, 2015 08:23 PM (AVEe1)
Well, SMOD isn't either, but that doesn't seem to be an impediment.
Posted by: filbert at August 26, 2015 08:27 PM (JvPqF)
Yep. The big selling point of college is the big-salary job upon graduation. Why shouldn't you have to pay for it?
Also, I'm sick of the subsidization of a wussy liberal arts education for shits and giggles and alcohol poisoning.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 26, 2015 08:27 PM (Xd2w5)
That's unsettling because it could happen
Posted by: Lizzy at August 26, 2015 08:27 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: wooga at August 26, 2015 08:22 PM (66gs3)
^^^^ THIS ^^^^^
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 26, 2015 08:27 PM (AkOaV)
How lucky to be part of the generation that gets free college. F You pay my back college costs first.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 26, 2015 08:28 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: Jeb at August 26, 2015 08:28 PM (z6X+C)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 26, 2015 08:28 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: junior at August 26, 2015 08:23 PM (FRGa/)
It's not the swooning, it's the styrofoam Greek columns.
Posted by: filbert at August 26, 2015 08:28 PM (JvPqF)
You fear me, Jeb?
So you should...
The sacred time is near...
Beware the blackness of the day.
Beware the man who brings the jaguar.
Behold him, reborn from mud and earth...
For the one he takes you to will cancel the sky...
...and scratch out the earth.
Scratch you out.
And end your world.
He's with us now.
...day will be like night.
And the man jaguar will lead you to your end.
Posted by: The Little Girl at August 26, 2015 08:28 PM (rwI+c)
Posted by: AmishDude at August 26, 2015 08:29 PM (Xd2w5)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 26, 2015 08:29 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: Joyful Tortoise at August 26, 2015
Actually I think that's Moo's job.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 26, 2015 08:29 PM (vM+YG)
Support a government shutdown because there is so much fat that can be cut.
Simplify the tax code.
Support a conservative immigration plan that is not amnesty. (Like the rest)
Are you a fan of the old testament or the new testament. (Needs work, immediate and thoughtful work)
I don't know. This Trump guy seems to be laying out a lot of things, some good, some not so good but then again I've never seen a 100% candidate.
But hey we always have the other candidates, the strongest field of candidates evah!
Lying liars lie for sure. The same boat looks like the other boat.
Still a long way to go. It's already pretty interesting.
Posted by: Drider at August 26, 2015 08:29 PM (6Xbsz)
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at August 26, 2015 08:29 PM (k9qR4)
The line is Donald Sutherland in Animal House.
Posted by: wooga at August 26, 2015 08:30 PM (66gs3)
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Speaking of which, most US state schools are trying to get as many out of state students as possible. They don't like the in-state fees, either.
Posted by: junior at August 26, 2015 08:30 PM (FRGa/)
Posted by: Lizzy at August 26, 2015 08:30 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Jeb's new campaign slogan at August 26, 2015 08:31 PM (Z+gXZ)
Depends...how rich are you?
Posted by: Lena Dunham at August 26, 2015 08:31 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 26, 2015 08:29 PM (vM+YG)
I thought "supercilious ass" was Moo's niche.
Posted by: filbert at August 26, 2015 08:31 PM (JvPqF)
Why Jeb? It just makes no damn sense.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at August 26, 2015 08:31 PM (m9V0o)
Posted by: fluffy at August 26, 2015 08:31 PM (2iV3X)
Posted by: Jeb is going to be yuuuugggeee at August 26, 2015 08:32 PM (pq97T)
So you're saying: have good weed.
the UK tried free college. Complete disaster.
Germany is trying it now, too. "free."
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2015 08:32 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Trump Taj Mahal at August 26, 2015 08:32 PM (6nGV8)
Fair enough.
Posted by: AD at August 26, 2015 08:32 PM (AmWqF)
You left out "comically ignorant". -5 points to you.
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at August 26, 2015 08:32 PM (k9qR4)
Posted by: Landofskybluewater at August 26, 2015 08:32 PM (Z+gXZ)
This is soooo strange.
It's cool, it's a total nightmare, it's kind of fun, too.
Posted by: dude guy at August 26, 2015 08:33 PM (q177U)
Well now there we have a problem. I'm more in the "shuffling hobo" category if it comes down to net worth.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2015 08:33 PM (39g3+)
I stand corrected. To me Moo is a bigger Dick than Nip
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 26, 2015 08:33 PM (vM+YG)
Posted by: RNC at August 26, 2015 08:33 PM (/jQI1)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 26, 2015 08:33 PM (DsveK)
makes for a healthier economy. Realistically, These dumb fucks who blew
$100 mil on Jeb can find no hill to make our stand but for that
extraordinarily unpopular one. Fuck 'em.
And yeah, Trump is
probably a big government Democrat. But he does at least seem pretty
adamant about stopping illegal immigration, that alone puts him ahead of
many of the big government Republicans he's running against. So, I don't know. I guess I just wish one of the 'serious' candidates would grow a fucking pair and start hammering that issue like Trump does.
Posted by: mugiwara at August 26, 2015 08:33 PM (UFZRg)
Why Jeb? It just makes no damn sense."
We require a great deal of stupidity, and aren't accustomed to too much of it. Yes, we fucked up. The retool is underway.
Posted by: K Street Sleazebag and Frequent Fox Guest at August 26, 2015 08:35 PM (pq97T)
The 'serious' candidates are all tainted by having held the wrong end of the issue and associating with backstabbing liars. It would be as ineffective as fending off a tank shell with a fart.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at August 26, 2015 08:35 PM (m9V0o)
Posted by: fluffy at August 26, 2015 08:36 PM (2iV3X)
Also, Pixy ate my post.
Summary - it's sweet that Jeb loves his wife so much, but kind of creepy that his adult identity seems subsumed in hers.
Posted by: @votermom at August 26, 2015 08:37 PM (WpsOi)
Posted by: Lindsey Graham at August 26, 2015 08:37 PM (DsveK)
I know that's not a popular sentiment -- especially with really good conservatives who aren't to blame for the current state of affairs -- but it's what I feel.
I feel badly used in this "alliance." I feel like a booty call for the Donor Class, and I would not mind them learning a lesson about what happens to political turncoats
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uh hmm, while i believe that corporations are getting their cake and eating it too.
look they are the ones for open borders , and i don't believe for one hoot it's about the poor and desperate peoples needing a hand into america they are about the bottom dollar .while the tax payer pays much of the costs for the corporations to have cheaper labor.
so they are taxed out of Massachusetts or NY-SF because of their advocating for the policies that make it impossible because of the same policies from govt THEY themselves demanded.
and then scrammming to another country to 'do business' because even Cheaper labor.
i'm just having a diffficult time being sympathetic to it at this popint.
And if the Republicans are willing to write any of OUR ideas out , in fact join in the left games while driving the country fiscally off the cliff.
well Trump in that light seems while not very Republican ideology wise.
No more so than the shits that we've elected lately.
Posted by: willow at August 26, 2015 08:37 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: fluffy at August 26, 2015 08:36 PM (2iV3X)
ISWYDT
Posted by: @votermom at August 26, 2015 08:38 PM (rLJ/n)
Posted by: fluffy at August 26, 2015 08:36 PM (2iV3X)
It will be hard, but if we make a push, we'll be IN THERE!
(too soon? wait for ONT?)
Posted by: filbert at August 26, 2015 08:39 PM (JvPqF)
Posted by: chemjeff at August 26, 2015 08:39 PM (2XMpf)
Trump: Hot Euro-trash model wife
Jeb: Scary tiny Evil Dead witch woman Mexican wife
Advantage: Trump
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 26, 2015 08:39 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at August 26, 2015 08:40 PM (ktt8p)
There are any number of candidates of both parties that the Chamber of Commies will support. Which you know, shows to go you. BTW, citizens get out! illegals in! Its all about replacements.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 26, 2015 08:40 PM (ODxAs)
I won't weep for them.
Trump knows his base, and it is the middle class.
For those with tds, his wealth tax idea was for those worth more than ten million. One time. To pay our debt down.
Crazy, I know.
Posted by: prescient11 at August 26, 2015 08:40 PM (VMZsK)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 26, 2015 08:41 PM (rwI+c)
well Trump in that light seems while not very Republican ideology wise.
No more so than the shits that we've elected lately.
Posted by: willow at August
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Reminds me of all those bills McConnell said he would put on Obamas desk if the GOP took the senate.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 26, 2015 08:41 PM (vM+YG)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 26, 2015 08:41 PM (ODxAs)
So? I give at least 10% and claim nothing. Also, fuck Lois Lerner and the IRS. I hope they all get sodomized by arabs and then burnt at the stake for being promiscuous sodomites by the same arabs.
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at August 26, 2015 08:42 PM (k9qR4)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 26, 2015 08:44 PM (ODxAs)
Trump: Hot Euro-trash model wife
Jeb: Scary tiny Evil Dead witch woman Mexican wife
Advantage: Trump
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 26, 2015 08:39 PM (kdS6q)
How did we get Moochelle then?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 26, 2015 08:44 PM (vM+YG)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 26, 2015 08:44 PM (0O7c5)
Official version around here is that Long was shot by the son of a political opponent and died because he wanted HIS doctor to operate on him, who didn't get there in time.
The spitballed theory I had after seeing that area of the LA state capitol building is that it could have been a ricochet of one of the bodyguards' shots, an accident while trying to stop being the assassination. The corridor where he was shot is marbled and there are areas claimed to be imperfections which look suspiciously like bullet holes.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 26, 2015 08:44 PM (f7eH8)
Posted by: Joyful Tortoise at August 26, 2015 08:45 PM (/jQI1)
Jeb: "Hey I think my buzzer is broken!"
Trebek: "It's disconnected. Next question..."
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 26, 2015 08:45 PM (oFCZn)
Oh, and somebody call Luntz. He should read this thread.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 26, 2015 08:44
He can read? Learn something new every day
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 26, 2015 08:46 PM (vM+YG)
vote US in and we'll repeal Obamcare!
anything happened re;IRS?
How about the Budget that THEY have control over?
so the one wanting to win really needs to start writing a Contract with Republicans/conservatives/america Like Gingrich did.
and actually say they will Quit queitly if they collectively donot/cannot/ complete the stated tasks.
Posted by: willow at August 26, 2015 08:46 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: @votermom at August 26, 2015 08:46 PM (r+lhE)
chemjeff @358, honestly dunno, but I doubt it.
Don't recall the complete swallowing the student loan program causing even the minimum level of pro forma mail-it-in GOP "opposition".
Others have correctly noted that the education bubble and hyperinflation are 1) entirely a function of guvamint subsidy and 2) a gigantic diversion of resources to some of the most destructive elements in society (fascist academics). Bigger than the also-catastrophic subsidy of "green" parasitism and rent-seeking from "environmental" spending/regulation/lawsuit collaboration.
Actually *some* of the inflation in tuition might be attributable to a new element, the foreign one (uh, Chinese) that is willing to pay a big tab - and mostly provides high-quality students in the bargain. But higher ed's inflation rate exceeded any other sector's for decades now, even that of medical "insurance" - which of course had much lower actual inflation than most assume, apart from the distortion of misregulation and stunted markets.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 26, 2015 08:47 PM (QDnY+)
Posted by: eleven at August 26, 2015 08:47 PM (MDgS8)
They're just waiting and hoping Yeb gets elected so they can ram through amnesty and the rest of the country busting crap.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 26, 2015 08:47 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: willow at August 26, 2015 08:48 PM (nqBYe)
We couldn't raise taxes high enough. It may be too late to grow enough even if we take all the brakes off.
Posted by: DaveA at August 26, 2015 08:48 PM (DL2i+)
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Sweet god, drawing crowds does not make you a leader. Do we really need to debate that?
You can take that in two ways.
The fact that we're discussing this at all limits the interpretation to one. A guy who draws crowds and gains a following is by definition a leader.
You may not like him as a leader, but he is in fact leading; drawing more attention, support, and opposition to his position/movement.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster Unbarreled at August 26, 2015 08:49 PM (0NdlF)
Both work for Fox. One is related to a Senator and is more likely to do butt stuff.
Posted by: Just some guy at August 26, 2015 08:49 PM (yxw0r)
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at August 26, 2015 08:50 PM (ktt8p)
It doesn't take "derangement" to see the manifold flaws in that idea.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2015 08:50 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: DaveA at August 26, 2015 08:48 PM (DL2i+)
Debt reset. Eat it and move on. Amend the Jewish Jubilee concept into the Constitution.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster Unbarreled at August 26, 2015 08:50 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at August 26, 2015 08:51 PM (ktt8p)
A giant pile of shit draws a crowd of flies. A car wreck draws crowds. A murderous asshole as we saw today draws crowds.
No, not everyone who draws crowds is a leader.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 26, 2015 08:51 PM (OGm46)
Posted by: bour3 at August 26, 2015 08:52 PM (5x3+2)
It doesn't take "derangement" to see the manifold flaws in that idea.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2015 08:50 PM (39g3+)
Gotta agree with CT here.
This screams slippery slope, and I say that even though I fucking hate these cronies shitheels.
This goes through and the next thing you know we're having to pay it...yearly in addition to everything else.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 26, 2015 08:52 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: ConservativeMonster Unbarreled at August 26, 2015 08:52 PM (0NdlF)
why not? they need to convince US they aren't playing us anymore.
what will we get with Jeb? or Kasich?
walker has proven himself quite a bit, but still needs to organize and articulate his ideas clearly.
cruz, same.
like Jindal.
but still at this point jindal -cruz- anyone we actually Think might be more conservtaive and fiscally sane haven't stated it enough openly where it can be assimilated into the collective brains. not that They are given much of a chance to.
Posted by: willow at August 26, 2015 08:53 PM (nqBYe)
Thanks for posting this. I know he's been gone. Glad all is well
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 26, 2015 08:53 PM (vM+YG)
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A giant pile of shit draws a crowd of flies. A car wreck draws crowds. A murderous asshole as we saw today draws crowds.
No, not everyone who draws crowds is a leader.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 26, 2015 08:51 PM (OGm46)
What are the crowds following, then?
Entertainment? Perhaps it is too early to distinguish between the spectators and the followers.
Time will tell.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster Unbarreled at August 26, 2015 08:56 PM (0NdlF)
they pay.
Posted by: willow at August 26, 2015 09:01 PM (nqBYe)
send the bill to the business if they use healthcare. or use any govt benny?
Posted by: willow at August 26, 2015 09:02 PM (nqBYe)
"389 The down side of noblesse doucheoblige. He was raised for this moment and he can do nothing else. Not wash dishes, not sell cars, insurance, stock portfolio, dog training, Spanish interpreter, mow yards, clean houses, nothing. Nothing. It's president of the United States or nothing. Let it be noting, like Kerry, it's our joy to disappoint crushingly.
Posted by: bour3 at August 26, 2015 08:52 PM (5x3+2) "
Great points all bit somewhat ironic given who whipped Kerry's ass. Jeb! would have fucked up even with a hereditary monarchy. While we are laughing at Luntz's dunces, remember the Republican Party bulls thought Jeb! was a good idea, too. We are led by clueless idiots, and this is why we can't have nice things anymore.
Posted by: K Street Sleazebag and Frequent Fox Guest at August 26, 2015 09:03 PM (pq97T)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 26, 2015 08:44 PM (0O7c5)
Thanks for the good news, PG.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 26, 2015 09:04 PM (aRgrb)
actually make the wealthy that use h1b1 visa workers actually pay for
all the costs for their worker, like enough to survive living in SF or
NY no bennies state of federal monies. they Pay Healthcare, They pay
'living wage'
they pay.
Posted by: willow at August 26, 2015 09:01 PM (nqBYe)
++++++++++++Make the H1b1 visa fee equal to 50% the average wage for the worker being sought - make it cost more to hire alien skilled workers. This should not be an issue because the employer says he cannot find ANYBODY to fill the job already and their only real choice is to hire a headhunter to buy off competitors employees (obviously for higher wages).
Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 26, 2015 09:09 PM (NaeCR)
4.5 years, dual degree, no arrests, miracles from the late 70s
Posted by: DaveA at August 26, 2015 09:15 PM (DL2i+)
This is why I am for sticking the universities and colleges in this country with the student loan bill, but we will also have to fixed their prices, tuition and fees to prevent them from jacking up costs and blaming conservatives for the increases to go to college. So you stick them with the debt, and then nail them with some good old fashioned FDR inspired cost controls from government.
I know none of that sounds conservative, but the ends will justify the means once big education gets crushed the progs will no longer have the power to teach students the glories of communism. They won't be able to pay for it. To me this is a strategic no brainer. It is a handout using money from the progressive left...not taxpayers.
The leftwing professors want communism and big government, so lets give it to them. They can pay for someone else's education.
We don't win wars being Mr. Noble...and we won't win them politically either.
Posted by: William Eaton at August 26, 2015 09:17 PM (q52Ma)
Posted by: TheJakyl at August 26, 2015 09:18 PM (WSgi3)
Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 26, 2015 09:09 PM (NaeCR) "
We live in such a lawless, failed state it is easy to forget basic things. Employers have to sign affidavits to the effect an H1B visa is necessary because there isn't sufficient native labor. Now we have the spectacle of Disney, Facebook and others having soon-to-be replaced American employees train foreign workers obtained via the H1B visa program. In the vast majority of the world this would lead to things blowing up and burning down. It very well may not be far off here, and the political class better hope it gets off as lightly as Trump at this point. He's a warning shot across the bow, and this is real people. Pay attention.
Posted by: K Street Sleazebag and Frequent Fox Guest at August 26, 2015 09:20 PM (pq97T)
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In two decades, I have never, ever, ever worked at a job that a bright, motivated person couldn't have picked up with about six weeks of on-the-job training. Yet every single one of my jobs has REQUIRED applicants to have a college degree before they'd even look at your resume.
College in the U.S. is the biggest scam ever.
Posted by: Ex-liberal at August 26, 2015 09:30 PM (R1mDg)
the political class better hope it gets off as lightly as Trump at this point. He's a warning shot across the bow, and this is real people. Pay attention.
Posted by: K Street Sleazebag and Frequent Fox Guest at August 26, 2015 09:20 PM (pq97T)
That's a good way to put it.
Posted by: The Flax Weavers Guild at August 26, 2015 09:35 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: RGallegos at August 26, 2015 09:35 PM (49Jfq)
Posted by: rickl at August 26, 2015 09:36 PM (sdi6R)
"However, people need to understand you're getting a different kind of Republican with Trump, and by a "different kind of Republican," I mean a Democrat who wants to restrict immigration.
"Yes, I do think he will have cross-over appeal to downscale Democrats. But he will have this appeal not for the reasons Reagan did -- Reagan pitched a conservative philosophy -- but for the reasons the typical Democrat can reach Democrat voters, that is, because he's pitching Democracy policy goals.
"If we're cool with that, fine, but we better make sure we're cool with that."
This is the nut of it, and most people both understand it and are cool with it. This has become a one issue race, out-of-control immigration, and all else doesn't matter to many of us.
As imperfect a vessel as Trump is, we trust him on this one thing, and it is all that matters. If another candidate could make the same case and be believable, that person could be the frontrunner in time. The problem is the last part after the conjunction. We don't believe any of them, even Cruz due to his past support of even more H1B visas.
While it is secondary, most of the others also will be Democratic-lite (in the cases of Kasich, Rubio, and Bush, no-so-lite). It's all a matter of degree.
If someone can both convince us that they will curtail or freeze all immigration and reduce the size and scope of the government, they can beat Trump and whoever the Democrats put up. It just doesn't appear likely to happen after two months.
Posted by: Bryce lies matter at August 26, 2015 10:02 PM (pq97T)
I see want ads for positions where the company wants the applicant to have years of experience working with the proprietary processes of the company before even considering a person. Then they come out and say they cannot find any qualified applicants, so they need millions more H1B visas to bring in people who don't know what to do either, but are much much cheaper.
Posted by: Former NCO at August 26, 2015 10:04 PM (SAANH)
Posted by: Guy who relates everything to a Zappa song at August 26, 2015 10:07 PM (BO/km)
Or we elect a grown up.
What do you morons expect?
Guess what, Joe Moron Biden is going to be your next president. Nice teeth. Experienced. Foreign policy expert.
So, plagerize like heck in college and become president too! Or get high, be clean and articulate and be Prez with the good teeth guy.
PS. If you aren't in engineering or computer science go to Burger King for your next job???
Posted by: June Shelton at August 26, 2015 10:17 PM (dbmOV)
Posted by: oldowan at August 26, 2015 10:22 PM (ZpSpq)
Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at August 26, 2015 10:36 PM (lN30+)
Posted by: norrin radd, wielder of the power cosmic at August 26, 2015 10:50 PM (YWZ2w)
There would be some consequence. Would it pass along costs to me?
Because the rich will get their money one way or another.
As entertaining as Trump is... I am finding the show entertaining.
I just hope I'm not paying for the entertainment with the consequence of Hillary or Bernie fake taking that oath.
Posted by: petunia at August 26, 2015 11:48 PM (VoCyE)
Posted by: Lucy Ballsak at August 27, 2015 03:38 AM (rP4wG)
That said, he will never be president. If he's the nominee, we'll end up with Biden, Hillary, Sanders, or whoever else the Dems nominate for at least four years.
The American people as a whole might like watching a bigoted, ignorant, Archie Bunker-clone clown show for entertainment, but they sure as hell won't elect him president - and the polls show it.
On top of that, the GOP won't change one damn bit. They'll point to the big Trump loss and say, "See? See? We let you wacko birds nominate one of your own, and he lost in a landslide!!! Time for the adults to take control again!!!"
Nevermind the fact that Trump is "conservative" as Rosie O'Donnell. It doesn't matter. The GOPe (I hate that term) will club the base with it mercilessly.
Posted by: DRayRaven at August 27, 2015 06:07 AM (q4f8l)
It gets put into place, and fear not, people will graduate (they may be uneducated morons, but they'll graduate). The colleges already do this -- I know, I was an instructor; it's been a racket for quite a while: pass people out of the gen. ed. courses or lose your job; they have seats to fill with new students (aka. new money). All the while we gutted our trade school program, gutted the humanities (which used to teach the canon and gave someone a sense of the civilization/culture one was in -- an important thing -- perhaps a glimpse at the wider world around -- also an important thing; and at the very least created graduates in the hard sciences who could think critically and write/speak well...anyone who tells me "hard sciences is the bestest" I have a phrase for you: climate change science, and one name: John Holdren...I don't want to hear any more about how great those subjects are; they produce mutts like all the rest, because...that post you put below.)
Posted by: unknown j. at August 27, 2015 08:02 AM (B6sgj)
However, Beppe is good for entertainment...and also Beppe sometimes makes the tell on the truths nobody likes to acknowledge; such as why Beppe is so popular in the first place (and he is liked by many at the moment). So Beppe has his role, and plays his part for a reason (and one of them is that he gets some compensation for acting the part because no matter what type of clown a person is, none of them work completely for free; they at least have a tip jar) -- maybe the people who are so much wiser than me should start wondering why Beppe showed up now, and who put him on the payroll?
Posted by: unknown j. at August 27, 2015 08:09 AM (B6sgj)
Now American citizens must get in line with foreign nationals to pay tuition and ridiculous book prices to get an education in colleges funded by "tax payer's money"...
The state even provides grants and there are scholarships for "the undocumented" handed out that American citizens can't even apply for and others that white Americans do not qualify for because of their race.
Posted by: Dean Strong at August 27, 2015 12:30 PM (x18S2)
Posted by: jdavid at August 27, 2015 12:58 PM (1M7hH)
For far too long, universities get subsidies to decrease tuition. So, the university just absorbs the subsidy and claims that tuition increases are necessary. GSEs, like Sallie Mae, change high interest in variable rates and segment the loans by year. This all has to stop. No more subsidies for universities and endless tuition hikes.
Posted by: Chris at August 27, 2015 01:38 PM (8/LBN)
Posted by: Bob at August 27, 2015 05:52 PM (fVGlW)
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