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In Gravis/OANN Poll, Trump Hits... 40% Among Republicans
Before getting to that, this AllahPundit piece examines a claimed NYMag report that Roger Ailes now wants to take Trump out of the race; the claim is that Ailes says Trump is flatly unelectable, and Ailes views it as his mission to "save the country" (from a Democrat President, I guess).
This piece by very liberal but also pretty darn sharp Damon Linker is very good indeed.How America's Political and Economic Elite Gave Birth to the Trump Campaign ... Anti-immigrant sentiment has been on the rise (in intensity if not always in sheer numbers) throughout the Western world in recent years. The severe economic downturn that began in 2008 and the painfully slow recovery that followed has no doubt helped to fuel it. But so has a visceral frustration at what many believe to be a failure of representative institutions to respond to popular discontent about the changing ethnic and economic character of Western nation states over the past several decades. These institutions have been sluggish to respond to this discontent because two (sometimes overlapping) factions of our political and economic elite strongly support high levels of immigration -- or at least oppose doing very much to stop it.Out of fairness, I must stop quoting him there, but I assure you, his subsequent conclusions are just as important. His basic point is that while the public may favor a liberal immigration policy, they have not and probably will not agree to a virtual opens border policy, which is the policy preference of the "political and economic elites," as he calls them. Anyway, on to the poll. My one problem here is that this is sponsored by the One America News Network. I don't really know this outfit, other than they hired Sarah Palin. I have nothing against them, but I also have no track record yielding anything for them, either. Also, while I've heard of Gravis, that's the extent of my knowledge of them. I've just heard of them. Oh, I just looked up methodology: It's a real poll (not an internet survey), but it's a robopoll. As I understand it, these are considered less reliable than human-conducted polls. I'm just going to guess here that that's because people feel far more comfortable hanging up on a robot, and therefore the survey becomes more self-selecting than with a human-conducted poll (that is, people who want to be polled stay on the line, skewing the survey towards the most animated people.) That caveat aside, let the screaming about Trump, pro or con, commence. There's a chart with all the candidates on it. It's below the fold because it's pretty wide.
One of the factions -- the business class and its neoliberal champions in government, think tanks, and NGOs -- believes in a free-flowing international labor market that treats borders as superfluous. The other faction -- liberal lawyers, activists, intellectuals, journalists, academics, members of the clergy, and (once again) NGO staffers — has a deep-seated moral suspicion of nations and political boundaries in general. Why should an American count for more than a Mexican who crosses the border into the United States? Shouldn't a refugee fleeing violence in North Africa enjoy full political rights upon setting foot in the European Union? Don't all human beings deserve to be treated equally under the law? Isn't opposition to such equality an example of bald-faced racism? Both of these factions make deeply anti-political assumptions, denying the legitimacy of particularistic affiliations and dismissing the intuition that citizenship in a particular political community is a distinction that should not be open to all comers. The first faction denies these fundamentally political distinctions in the name of economic universalism; the second denies them in the name of moral universalism....
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: Bruce Boehner at August 26, 2015 05:00 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at August 26, 2015 05:00 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: Yo! at August 26, 2015 05:01 PM (q+zA9)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at August 26, 2015 05:02 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 26, 2015 05:02 PM (OSs/l)
Posted by: Lizzy at August 26, 2015 05:02 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at August 26, 2015 05:02 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at August 26, 2015 05:02 PM (q20+R)
Posted by: cajun caret at August 26, 2015 05:02 PM (UZQM8)
always in sheer numbers) throughout the Western world in recent years.
Lost me the first sentence. It is anti-ILLEGAL-immigration.
Posted by: kathysaysso at August 26, 2015 05:03 PM (fMQoG)
Posted by: Yo! at August 26, 2015 05:03 PM (q+zA9)
From the very first sentence I know the author of the piece is a whiny lying cunt.
Sorry man but It Is So.
Posted by: Soothie at August 26, 2015 05:03 PM (1i8ZT)
Posted by: rd at August 26, 2015 05:03 PM (a/sAS)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 26, 2015 05:03 PM (W5DcG)
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 26, 2015 05:03 PM (AkOaV)
sure is wide in here now
Posted by: Yo! at August 26, 2015 05:03 PM (q+zA9)
Posted by: rebel flounder at August 26, 2015 05:03 PM (Vf5rR)
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at August 26, 2015 05:03 PM (E5UB0)
Sorry man but It Is So.
Posted by: Soothie at August 26, 2015 05:03 PM (1i8ZT)
Soulmate!
Posted by: kathysaysso at August 26, 2015 05:04 PM (fMQoG)
Posted by: pep at August 26, 2015 05:04 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 26, 2015 05:04 PM (Ii765)
Posted by: rebel flounder
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Yep. They are dishonest little shits.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at August 26, 2015 05:04 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: rd at August 26, 2015 05:03 PM (a/sAS)
Jesus. Phrasing.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 26, 2015 05:04 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at August 26, 2015 05:04 PM (q20+R)
Posted by: Yo! at August 26, 2015 05:04 PM (q+zA9)
Posted by: dantesed at August 26, 2015 05:05 PM (88xKn)
Gee, think that might have been *in response* to illegal immigration being on the rise, with the encouragement of our politicians and supposed immigration control authorities??!?
People tend to get pissed off when you blatantly shirk your most basic responsibilities of protecting our sovereignty and from foreign invasion....and then call them racists for noticing.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 26, 2015 05:05 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Positive Waves at August 26, 2015 05:06 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 05:06 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 26, 2015 05:06 PM (Z58Xa)
If Trump were to be elected,
1. Will he end all the #blacklivesmatter baloney?
2. And will he commit shoving the media's words back down their throats?
3. And will he tell Boehner and McConnell to pound sand?
I'm willing to compromise in a few other areas to see them happen.
While he's not my preference, maybe he's the "nut-punch" that the beltway needs.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at August 26, 2015 05:06 PM (UhRGU)
Posted by: ConservativeMonster formerly in the Barrel at August 26, 2015 05:06 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: kraken at August 26, 2015 05:06 PM (m/2HS)
Not your call, buddy.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 26, 2015 05:07 PM (NOIQH)
As Rush said today: What's going on at our borders and ending up in our cities IS NOT IMMIGRATION.
That's not how you immigrate, by sneaking in and mooching off our System. That's an Invasion.
Posted by: Soothie at August 26, 2015 05:07 PM (1i8ZT)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at August 26, 2015 05:07 PM (ucDmr)
of representative institutions to respond to popular discontent about
the changing ethnic and economic character of Western nation states over
the past several decades.
Both of these factions make deeply anti-political assumptions, denying
the legitimacy of particularistic affiliations and dismissing the
intuition that citizenship in a particular political community is a
distinction that should not be open to all comers.
So, this guy first dismisses all claims as due to nothing more than racism, then criticizes others for not seeing the real motivations.
Dude: beam, eye, some assembly already accomplished.
Posted by: pep at August 26, 2015 05:07 PM (LAe3v)
MY biggest gripe is that I'm expected to follow every god damn law to the letter of the law. I have to get my car inspected, and pay DMV fees, and remember to renew my registration, and remember a myriad of local / state / county bullshit laws, and of course remember not to buy firewood 10 minutes away in Maine and transport it back to NH or face a felony charge, etc. etc. etc.
And yet... there is an entire segment of our population who seems to be able to live completely outside of even the most basic laws.
So while I can't build a shed on my property without environmental impact studies and variances from zoning and permits and all kinds of bullshit, some amigo can cross the border, live in a winnebago with an extension cord, drive an unregistered car drunk, never get insurance or a license, and generally ignore every single law in the country and that's cool.
So I guess my point is -- if I get to flagrantly flaunt the laws too, then I'll be more on board with illegal immigration.
Mark Steyn calls us a country of the "over documented and the undocumented" and I tend to agree.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 26, 2015 05:07 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: The Sighing Hat at August 26, 2015 05:07 PM (0TXlm)
They've been on around for several years. They are actually on AT&T uverse unlike the Blaze and Newsmax. I want to say that they are connected to The Washington Times.
Posted by: Buzzion at August 26, 2015 05:07 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: S2 at August 26, 2015 05:08 PM (hUlmy)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at August 26, 2015 05:08 PM (Kucy5)
Asked what her hobby is, she said "Whitewater rafting."
Ask what her favorite TV character is, she said "Walter White."
No wonder that killer went berserk!
/s
Posted by: zombie at August 26, 2015 05:08 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at August 26, 2015 05:08 PM (UhRGU)
Posted by: Warden at August 26, 2015 05:08 PM (wHAYQ)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 05:08 PM (zOTsN)
Trump should offer to debate O'malley and Sanders. He could siphon off a lot of Democrats, and we can see where his positions are compared to the Donks.
And it would piss off the Clintons!
Posted by: rd at August 26, 2015 05:08 PM (a/sAS)
http://www.bookwormroom.com/2015/08/20/world-war-i-immigration/
Posted by: Lizzy at August 26, 2015 05:09 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: imp at August 26, 2015 05:09 PM (XIXZz)
Posted by: Yo! at August 26, 2015 05:09 PM (q+zA9)
Well, some demon gave that choice to the GOPe, and some one couldn't help himself and though of the Trumpster.
He is the Destructor.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 26, 2015 05:09 PM (dvuhZ)
Call the Meatball, I'm sure Brandon needs a break from changing diapers and other baby things.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 26, 2015 05:09 PM (Z58Xa)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 05:09 PM (zOTsN)
responsibilities of protecting our sovereignty and from foreign
invasion....and then call them racists for noticing.
Sadly, a lot of people don't. They just cower and apologize for noticing.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 26, 2015 05:09 PM (/kI1Q)
Oh, I just looked up methodology: It's a real poll (not an internet survey), but it's a robopoll. As I understand it, these are considered less reliable than human-conducted polls. I'm just going to guess here that that's because people feel far more comfortable hanging up on a robot, and therefore the survey becomes more self-selecting than with a human-conducted poll (that is, people who want to be polled stay on the line, skewing the survey towards the most animated people.)
Posted by: ace at August 26, 2015 05:10 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 26, 2015 05:10 PM (2cS/G)
This is like saying that there's an anti-fresh air sentiment sweeping America, when the real issue is criminals breaking windows.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 26, 2015 05:10 PM (2lndx)
What difference, at this point, does it make?
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 26, 2015 05:10 PM (oVJmc)
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Yeah. I think the question for any person arguing for illegal immigration to have no consequences is, "So which laws that are important to you do I, then, get to ignore?
Posted by: Warden at August 26, 2015 05:10 PM (wHAYQ)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 26, 2015 05:10 PM (Z58Xa)
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 26, 2015 05:11 PM (0FSuD)
A Democrat President by 20th century standards. Which, say what else you might, would still be a fuckton better than what we're stuck with now.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 26, 2015 05:11 PM (9krrF)
will have to be - some combination of much more stringent border
controls with a path to citizenship for those already here.
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Why do we have to give citizenship to those that broke the law to come here?
Offer a 10k bounty to anyone that turns in a employer breaking the law, and tax remittances at 50%. Problem solved.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 26, 2015 05:11 PM (78TbK)
Golly.
Posted by: Positive Waves at August 26, 2015 05:11 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at August 26, 2015 05:11 PM (WjXce)
Posted by: Sambo at August 26, 2015 05:11 PM (9UV3C)
Moreover, these people are not, by and large, immigrants; threy are accomplices in the grand Cloward and Piven scheme.
Posted by: Soothie at August 26, 2015 05:11 PM (1i8ZT)
You forgot to add: they get to fly the Mexican flag in their front yards on US soil.
Posted by: parteagirl at August 26, 2015 05:12 PM (K0jlM)
"That leaves us stuck: knowing what we need to do [on illegal immigration] but unable to get it
done, with some of us tempted to treat a billionaire snake oil salesman
as the nation's savior."
*sigh*
Posted by: rebel flounder at August 26, 2015 05:12 PM (Vf5rR)
Flout. You flout laws by disregarding them.
Hot girls flaunt their boobies.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 26, 2015 05:13 PM (JtwS4)
That seems a little more likely in the light of this.
Well, either that or they adopt the Huey Long solution ....
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 26, 2015 05:13 PM (go6ud)
impact studies and variances from zoning and permits and all kinds of
bullshit, some amigo can cross the border, live in a winnebago with an
extension cord, drive an unregistered car drunk, never get insurance or a
license, and generally ignore every single law in the country and
that's cool.
You forgot to add: they get to fly the Mexican flag in their front yards on US soil.
And collect benefits for doing so.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 26, 2015 05:13 PM (oVJmc)
Would this address immigration? Over regulation? #BlackLivesMatter BS?
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at August 26, 2015 05:13 PM (UhRGU)
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Out eats him too.
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Out eats his whole family combined.
Posted by: rd at August 26, 2015 05:13 PM (a/sAS)
Posted by: Ever at August 26, 2015 05:13 PM (QZdJj)
Posted by: Stay Puft Marshmallow Man at August 26, 2015 05:13 PM (/kI1Q)
Yep, that's right bloggers, when you actively attempt to take down the one true Capitalist that we've had in decades, you become anti-capitalist socialist pigs ----- well, to be reasonable most of you just move closer to that side of the midpoint, you really aren't all the way there, still, though, that is all the left is trying to do, move us one step closer to full out socialism each election cycle.
Posted by: doug at August 26, 2015 05:13 PM (IYEs/)
That's half the fun of Trump--how many people who have been cowed by the Left Rampant are watching Trump and starting to feel stirrings of...pride? Self-respect? Dignity?
Sometimes, the animals who've been abused and beaten down lose their fear.
And sometimes when that happens, there's blood. Lots of it.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 26, 2015 05:14 PM (9krrF)
What a clown-show.
Who thinks this guy can really get 270 electoral votes?
Posted by: the littl shyning man at August 26, 2015 05:14 PM (Jg32A)
invasion, not just here, but in Europe, too - worth a read:
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This is *exactly* what ended Rome. Yes they were rotten to the core by the end of the empire, but it was the inability of the government to keep the "migrating" hordes out of Roman territory that spelled the immediate end of the state and its eventual conquest by various germanic tribes.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 26, 2015 05:14 PM (78TbK)
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 26, 2015 05:14 PM (dvuhZ)
FFS, I really don't like anyone in this race. And a dead conservative could do a better job than the fuckstick who has been occupying the Oval Office since 2009.
Posted by: Sharkman at August 26, 2015 05:14 PM (72D6h)
Posted by: kathysaysso at August 26, 2015 05:03 PM (fMQoG)
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No, even legal immigration is starting to take some heat. No country should be taking in over a million new people each year. On top of that it shouldn't be a lottery with little to no security checks.
Posted by: WOPR at August 26, 2015 05:14 PM (nRvEn)
Posted by: Robby the robot at August 26, 2015 05:14 PM (W5DcG)
A Democrat President by 20th century standards. Which, say what else you might, would still be a fuckton better than what we're stuck with now.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 26, 2015 05:11 PM (9krrF)
I see Donald Trump as a classical liberal. You know, what Democrats used to be. Fuckton Better than what we've had for the past 20 years.
Posted by: cajun caret at August 26, 2015 05:14 PM (UZQM8)
As such it's shown him to be very shallower and willing to mouth whatever will get him votes.
Not what I want for a candidate.
I'm really surprised about Carson. Not that he doesn't deserve it but he's not really shown that he truly desires the Presidency. No Fire.
I don't think he'll go much further. Maybe to a primary or two.
Perry needs to just stop. Just. Stop. The glasses didn't work, the attacks didn't work. Just. Stop.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 26, 2015 05:14 PM (x3GpS)
All you Trumpkins are idiots!
I think that covers it.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at August 26, 2015 05:14 PM (SQkRc)
is that the base is completely dissatisfied with the establishment
That's just crazy talk. Who would believe it?
Posted by: F. Luntz at August 26, 2015 05:14 PM (LAe3v)
As I have also said before, I hope he is clearing the field for someone like Senator Cruz, and crushing the campaigns of Jeb and this like Jeb. But if not one steps up to also address our concerns Trump may steamroll a lot farther than you or even myself would like.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 26, 2015 05:15 PM (DUoqb)
Posted by: Yo! at August 26, 2015 05:15 PM (q+zA9)
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at August 26, 2015 05:15 PM (e/W+h)
Well, at least he would be the one we picked rather than the one the GOPe picked.
Posted by: doug at August 26, 2015 05:15 PM (IYEs/)
Amazing.
Posted by: Warden
It's because Jindal is brown.
But seriously, I don't understand how Jindal doesn't get more traction. He seems like an appealing candidate to me.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at August 26, 2015 05:15 PM (/Ho8c)
Hell with that. It's saying "Pass The Goddamn Kerosene, I Have Matches".
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 26, 2015 05:15 PM (9krrF)
Posted by: WOPR at August 26, 2015 05:15 PM (nRvEn)
no country ever has treated non citizens better than citizens
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 05:09 PM (zOTsN)
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* taps map of USOh yeah?
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at August 26, 2015 05:15 PM (UhRGU)
Posted by: John Doh at August 26, 2015 05:15 PM (mkx+A)
Posted by: Mark1971 at August 26, 2015 05:16 PM (vaR50)
Turkey, Greece, Italy, all of southern Europe
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 05:16 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 26, 2015 05:16 PM (evdj2)
have no consequences is, "So which laws that are important to you do I,
then, get to ignore?
If you're melanin-deficient they will say "None."
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 26, 2015 05:16 PM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Soothie at August 26, 2015 05:16 PM (1i8ZT)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 26, 2015 05:16 PM (AqaiB)
Would this address immigration? Over regulation? #BlackLivesMatter BS?
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at August 26, 2015 05:13 PM (UhRGU
No.
But, its becoming fun to watch.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 26, 2015 05:16 PM (Z58Xa)
The inconvenient fact is that we don't *owe* anyone citizenship, and we should get to decide whom we grant it to - it's not a door prize.
And it's not a pleasant thought, but we cannot take in all the world's poor and persecuted. It's no different than wanting to bring home all the cats from the pound (not meant to insult immigrants, just the impulse one gets to rescue all the vulnerable lil kittehs).
Posted by: Lizzy at August 26, 2015 05:16 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Mark1971 at August 26, 2015 05:16 PM (vaR50)
I get it and it is actually pretty good
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 26, 2015 05:16 PM (DUoqb)
Posted by: kraken at August 26, 2015 05:17 PM (m/2HS)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at August 26, 2015 05:17 PM (66gs3)
is that the base is completely dissatisfied with the establishment.
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As though that matters. My position is secure. I've discussed it with Nanzi.
Posted by: John Boner at August 26, 2015 05:17 PM (9mTYi)
Hell with that. It's saying "Pass The Goddamn Kerosene, I Have Matches".
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But would it be worth it?
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at August 26, 2015 05:17 PM (UhRGU)
Hot girls flaunt their boobies.
Posted by: Bandersnatch
Word.
Posted by: Grammar Nazi, gittin' jiggy wid' it at August 26, 2015 05:17 PM (LAe3v)
is that the base is completely dissatisfied with the establishment.
exactly
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 26, 2015 05:17 PM (DUoqb)
Well as long as they bring busty girls and lots of beer with them some morons probably wouldn't mind all that much.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 26, 2015 05:17 PM (OSs/l)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 05:18 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at August 26, 2015 05:18 PM (ucDmr)
Posted by: Planned Parenthood at August 26, 2015 05:18 PM (UlJ3l)
Posted by: Jorge Ramos at August 26, 2015 05:18 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: doug at August 26, 2015 05:18 PM (IYEs/)
Posted by: dantesed at August 26, 2015 05:05 PM (88xKn)
Shuckin' and Jivin'. Flippin'-Flopppin' and Waffling early and often will do that.
Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at August 26, 2015 05:18 PM (JOG+K)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 26, 2015 05:16 PM
Do you get it on cable or satellite?
Posted by: Mark1971 at August 26, 2015 05:18 PM (vaR50)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 26, 2015 05:18 PM (x3GpS)
Posted by: Buzzion at August 26, 2015 05:18 PM (z/Ubi)
Trump is all of US out here in the parking lot yelling at the barricaded GOPe and making threats to burn the place down and kick all of their asses.
But the guy is not really conservative or libertarian, he's no different than Christie or Romney or any other Northeastern Republican ideologically.
At some point in the next 435 days that has to sink in with voters and they'll choose one from Cruz-Walker-Rubio.
Posted by: CozMark at August 26, 2015 05:18 PM (CbGSW)
Posted by: Mark1971 at August 26, 2015 05:18 PM (vaR50)
Cable: Verizon FIOS
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 26, 2015 05:19 PM (DUoqb)
Its always starts with the assumptions. Get that right and you will know the future.
Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 26, 2015 05:19 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: John Doh at August 26, 2015 05:15 PM (mkx+A)
42-36-36?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 26, 2015 05:19 PM (Z58Xa)
So, they were testing Hillary against all the R's one by one. God what a pain in the ass! It must have been her people because there was nothing about Col Sanders in it.
Anyway pretty sure I helped Trump's numbers. En fuego!
Posted by: Jeanne of the Great White North at August 26, 2015 05:19 PM (ZveF7)
the end of the empire, but it was the inability of the government to
keep the "migrating" hordes out of Roman territory that spelled the
immediate end of the state and its eventual conquest by various germanic
tribes.
Cry me a river.
Posted by: Poland at August 26, 2015 05:19 PM (LAe3v)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn
YMMV. If you've become bitter, world-weary, and just plain rage-ridden like I have, watching as many of these ass-eaters fry as possible would at least bring a grim satisfaction. If you have wife-kids-etc. and any hope of a future legacy, probably not so much.
I make no bones about where I'm at. Judge by your own priorities.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 26, 2015 05:20 PM (9krrF)
Posted by: ThunderB
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I'm still digesting the fact that Ramos was shouting that he had a right to ask a question.
Posted by: John Boner at August 26, 2015 05:20 PM (9mTYi)
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Yeah, I'm not really understanding why Trump is considered a "let it burn" candidate.
Posted by: Adrienne at August 26, 2015 05:20 PM (lVcuh)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 05:18 PM (zOTsN)
Black criminal > Brown "journalist"
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 26, 2015 05:20 PM (Z58Xa)
Fuck.
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at August 26, 2015 05:20 PM (q20+R)
Posted by: Soona at August 26, 2015 05:20 PM (P25Hh)
Amazing.
Posted by: Warden
It's because Jindal is brown.
But seriously, I don't understand how Jindal doesn't get more traction. He seems like an appealing candidate to me.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic
Bobby is just a red-neck from a red-neck state of LA. They talk funny and their shit is all retarded.
/sarc
If he gets traction, just watch the media start using his birth name to "other" him.
Posted by: rd at August 26, 2015 05:20 PM (a/sAS)
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Or better yet, a three point platform:
1) No amnesty, no citizenship, nothing if you crossed the border illegally.
2) Obamacare will be removed, by reconciliation if necessary
3) Planned Parenthood will be defunded, and those funds will be repurposed for an FBI task force charged with investigating them
throw that in a contract where the candidate will be legally bound to resign office if not achieved after 2 years.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 26, 2015 05:21 PM (78TbK)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 26, 2015 05:21 PM (Ii765)
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 26, 2015 05:10 PM (2cS/G)
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Exactly. Walker put a line in the sand and said "no one will get to the right of me". Trump walked right over that line and then made Walker apologize for drawing graffiti!
Posted by: Wisrich at August 26, 2015 05:21 PM (hdpay)
Paradox? The change is due to unfettered illegal immigration, not some unfathomable genetic mutation like we see in the film Children of Men.
People have been whining about illegal immigration here in Calif for freak'n 30+ years.
And the writer thinks it a ripple effect from 2008?
Good grief.
Posted by: 13times at August 26, 2015 05:22 PM (WHVu+)
So as Trump inflates, Walker deflates.
Jeb's pool is in another place, surrounded by a gate, and filled with pasty white Chamber of Commerce guys and trophy wives.
That and a thin-skinned, blustering, rudderless a hole is still a thin-skinned, bluster, rudderless a hole even if 40% of Republicans like him (now)
Posted by: NYC Peasant at August 26, 2015 05:22 PM (k8tEg)
* buys more popcorn*
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 26, 2015 05:22 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian
FIFY
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at August 26, 2015 05:22 PM (/Ho8c)
they will claim he is not a republican
not ever give him either money or get out the vote help
and help Hillary win
the GOPe will actively help Hillary win
zero doubt about that
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 05:22 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: eforhan at August 26, 2015 05:23 PM (jRUmR)
Posted by: jcelephant at August 26, 2015 05:23 PM (EXOhI)
Jeb vs Rodham I stay home. Let it burn.
Trump vs Biden I vote Trump.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at August 26, 2015 05:23 PM (ucDmr)
Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 26, 2015 05:23 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: Soona at August 26, 2015 05:20 PM (P25Hh)
It took the death of 2 journalists to knock him off the front page. And in the end of the RINOs keep blaming the confederate flag and back gun control, he will gain more support
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 26, 2015 05:23 PM (DUoqb)
Yep.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 26, 2015 05:23 PM (OSs/l)
Posted by: Paolo at August 26, 2015 05:23 PM (UzPAd)
* buys more popcorn*
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 26, 2015 05:22 PM (9mTYi
Here have some butter from America's Dairyland.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 26, 2015 05:24 PM (Z58Xa)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 26, 2015 05:24 PM (8ZskC)
This shows they have not yet consolidated power, else they would use raw force. It's not too late. (cross fingers)
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at August 26, 2015 05:24 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: wooga at August 26, 2015 05:24 PM (66gs3)
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 26, 2015 05:24 PM (dvuhZ)
It depends on what "It" is. If "It" is the GOP establishment and the layers of corrupt hangers-on around it, then yes, he's bringing the burnination for sure. He -might- actually slow the smoldering for the nation at large, at least for a decade or so, though that is probably a very optimistic guess. As for the world in general, well, I'm not sure that trajectory can be budged much at this stage barring something pretty remarkable happening.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 26, 2015 05:24 PM (9krrF)
Wonders what WFB would say about all of this. I certainly do miss him.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 26, 2015 05:24 PM (9mTYi)
If she had the time she would interview every single person in the country who didn't like Trump just to force her opinion on us and declare it as fact.
Don't tell me, Trump shouldn't be allowed to go after her again after this? pussies
Posted by: doug at August 26, 2015 05:24 PM (IYEs/)
I don't care what Ailes thinks - the reason Trump is even taken seriously is because of the upside-down, down the rabbithole clusterf#@! of administration we've had for the past 6+ years.
I never thought I's see Trump running, let alone leading, but I also never thought I'd see an American president endorse blasphemy laws over the 1st Amendment while addressing the UN or making a deal that give Iran the nukes it needs to wipe Israel off the map.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 26, 2015 05:24 PM (NOIQH)
his daughter worked for Obama and now she works for Hillary
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 05:26 PM (zOTsN)
katyhysaysso: Damn tootin!
Posted by: Soothie at August 26, 2015 05:26 PM (1i8ZT)
His fight with Megyn Kelly was calculated stuff. A gentle reminder, as many Fox hosts have been "soft-hitting" Trump for weeks.
Gravis is well respected Ace. And I'd give it some credence because it shows Carson and Carly getting a bump, as have all other polls.
Posted by: prescient11 at August 26, 2015 05:26 PM (q5APL)
Save the Planet and Kill Whitey might work but how will it poll with the whites (Assuming they matter anymore)?
Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 26, 2015 05:26 PM (oDCMR)
I don't want to be ruled by anyone. I want to SERVED by my representatives. Is that so fucking hard to understand?
Posted by: Dave, exiled in RI at August 26, 2015 05:27 PM (KVinv)
That's right, I'll beat him off with both hands. I could beat off an entire stage full of men at the same time!
Posted by: Lindsey Graham at August 26, 2015 05:27 PM (66gs3)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at August 26, 2015 05:17 PM (UhRGU)
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That's not the question because it's going to happen sooner or later. We're already ten paces off the edge of the cliff. We just haven't looked down yet.
Posted by: Soona at August 26, 2015 05:27 PM (P25Hh)
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I feel he's more like a "watch them burn themselves to the ground" candidate.
His very presence makes some people spontaneously combust.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at August 26, 2015 05:27 PM (jR7Wy)
That fellow wanted a "pure race" and land without non Germans. Trump wants the code word, "illegals" thrown out, all 11 million.
Europe is experiencing the same immigrant wave we are, but worse. I fear another European Trump will show up to get things "back in line".
All this, I really believe, is a results of our abandoning the world under Obama.
We now, seriously, have no influence in about anything.
Fun times, and Buzzion is still dead
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 26, 2015 05:27 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 26, 2015 05:28 PM (go6ud)
Posted by: Lindsey Graham
Oh my! You've got my vote.
Posted by: George Takei, I was Sulu, remember? at August 26, 2015 05:28 PM (awspb)
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He is possibly looking at the ratings they will see if there is a Democrat Mal-Administration.
remember how MSNBC fared in the Bush years?
Posted by: rd at August 26, 2015 05:28 PM (a/sAS)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 05:28 PM (zOTsN)
Hot girls flaunt their boobies.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 26, 2015 05:13 PM (JtwS4)
Thanks for the vocabulary lesson. So what happens when the hot girls flout their boobies?
Posted by: ConservativeMonster formerly in the Barrel at August 26, 2015 05:28 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 26, 2015 05:29 PM (DUoqb)
Trump breezed right over and past them, and made more good points about how we are now talking in the open about very important things that would not even have been whispered about without him.
Posted by: Trump Taj Mahal at August 26, 2015 05:29 PM (6nGV8)
I'm not sure how you could call the piece by Linker "very good".
It is dripping with insults and false facts.
He concludes with Americans want a liberal immigration policy. Are you FUCKING JOKING ME??!!
70% of Americans want LEGAL immigration reduced. Yeah, I'd say that's a winning vote in any election.
Liars like Damon Linker have also helped Trump rise, so please tell him to pat himself on the back.
Posted by: prescient11 at August 26, 2015 05:29 PM (q5APL)
Posted by: wooga at August 26, 2015 05:29 PM (66gs3)
I make no bones about where I'm at. Judge by your own priorities.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 26, 2015 05:20 PM (9krrF)
Sorry. I have wife and kids. If it's gonna kick off, let's get 'er going before I am in the ground or nearly so. I don't want my kids to inherit this mess or worse.
Posted by: rebel flounder at August 26, 2015 05:29 PM (Vf5rR)
Hey look at that - the two guys at the top made their careers out of something that has nothing to do with government or politics.
Hmmmmm. Wonder if that means anything. Naaahhhh.
Posted by: Frank Luntz at August 26, 2015 05:29 PM (5vV+V)
At this point, even a Democrat is preferable to a spoiled red-diaper commie SJW racist injustice-gatherer.
Posted by: Juan Moore at August 26, 2015 05:30 PM (i0aWW)
It's not actually a "code word."
I can't figure out if you just get off on being a lying dick or if you're really that stupid.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 26, 2015 05:30 PM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: simplemind at August 26, 2015 05:30 PM (5vV+V)
Posted by: Soothie at August 26, 2015 05:30 PM (1i8ZT)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 05:30 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 26, 2015 05:31 PM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at August 26, 2015 05:31 PM (q20+R)
I could live with a "Democratic" President.
The problem is the "democratic" party of today is worse than the communist party. At least the communist party loves mother russia
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 26, 2015 05:31 PM (DUoqb)
I would much rather see national scientific poll of Trump v. Clinton, Sanders and Biden, just to see if Ailes is right in his thinking.
Nevertheless, you'll get Bush v. Clinton. And a national suicide watch.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 26, 2015 05:32 PM (ODxAs)
Journalists are generally of very mediocre intelligence, so it is refreshing to have someone quick witted enough to take advantage of their stupidity.
Posted by: wooga at August 26, 2015 05:32 PM (66gs3)
Save the Planet and Kill Whitey might work but how will it poll with the whites (Assuming they matter anymore)?
Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 26, 2015 05:26 PM
There are a LOT of self-hating suicidal liberals out there. Example 1: Anti-Israeli Jews.
Posted by: rd at August 26, 2015 05:32 PM (a/sAS)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 26, 2015 05:33 PM (DUoqb)
Hot girls flaunt their boobies.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at August 26, 2015 05:13 PM (JtwS4)
You are, of course correct.
"flout" it is.
You know -- I think I know how ace feels. Write a 1200000 word movie review-length post and everyone in the comments points out he used the wrong word in the second sentence.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 26, 2015 05:33 PM (AkOaV)
every country on earth has a right to control itsimmigration
Every one
and that is not Racism
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 05:33 PM (zOTsN)
It scares me that Trump seriously says the things he does with no regard to facts.
It also scares me that morons here are buying a bag of bull shit.
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 26, 2015 05:33 PM (0FSuD)
Nice zing, HR!
Posted by: Soothie at August 26, 2015 05:33 PM (1i8ZT)
It's not a code word. They're here by violating our laws and being criminals.
A nation that doesn't enforce its borders and protect its members is not a nation.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster formerly in the Barrel at August 26, 2015 05:34 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 26, 2015 05:34 PM (OSs/l)
But there's a big online cult using the word, a bit like how John Birchers use the word "communist".
Posted by: bruce at August 26, 2015 05:34 PM (CDJHJ)
The west is being colonized.
Europe and the US are being swarmed by illegal immigrants and the political class is not doing very much to prevent it.
Not very long ago( a few generations mebe)countries navies would be firing on the immigrant invader boats in the Med.
Posted by: Yo! at August 26, 2015 05:34 PM (q+zA9)
Americans are experiencing what Europeans have for decades. Spurred on by the horrors of fascism, the elites in Europe have regularly tried to trample the voices of the lower classes. Even today, the death penalty is popular in Europe even after being convinced that you have to be morally sick to believe in that American cowboy justice. Immigration is another one, but I just saw a poll in which Germans are overwhelmingly pro-immigration. We'll see when the Schengen zone is overrun.
What they succeeded in doing was creating resentment and underground fascist movements. And, without any reasonable party representing their views in the mainstream, they figure "why not?" and go to the FN or BNP or the like.
Now we're seeing it in America. The GOP's fecklessness in the face of Obama and their unwillingness to challenge him has been a part of it, but I think the real nail in the coffin was the Supreme Court.
The judiciary has long considered itself to be "wise" (see Sotomayor) and an aristocracy far too good for the likes of the rabble over whom they rule.
But with the King decision and the gay marriage decision, they literally wrote, "We don't care what the people think, we don't care what the law says and we don't care what the Constitution actually says. This is what we want and you're a monster for not wanting it too."
Do you blame people for giving up on the political process?
Posted by: AmishDude at August 26, 2015 05:34 PM (Xd2w5)
Posted by: Soothie at August 26, 2015 05:30 PM (1i8ZT)
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I was about to write a paragraph or two in response, but you've encapsulated it perfectly.
Posted by: Soona at August 26, 2015 05:35 PM (P25Hh)
Every one
and that is not Racism
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 05:33 PM (zOTsN)
I don't disagree. So once they are here, then the game is over. As Rommel said if you don't stop them on the beaches they win.
You seriously don't believe Trump can deport 11 million people do you?
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 26, 2015 05:35 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at August 26, 2015 05:35 PM (l3vZN)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 26, 2015 05:35 PM (OSs/l)
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at August 26, 2015 05:35 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: Citizen Cake at August 26, 2015 05:35 PM (ppaKI)
***************
Yeah. I think the question for any person arguing for illegal immigration to have no consequences is, "So which laws that are important to you do I, then, get to ignore?
Posted by: Warden at August 26, 2015 05:10 PM (wHAYQ)
Gun laws. Until they start enforcing the laws equally I want the right to own and shoot any weapon I can pick up.
Posted by: AdamPM at August 26, 2015 05:36 PM (nkNmj)
its scares me Nip that you equate Jews of Europe, who were citizens of the countries that destroyed them, were the same as illegal immigrants
its a bull shit argument
every country has the right, the obligation, to control its borders and immigration
every one
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 05:36 PM (zOTsN)
That's right, I'll beat him off with both hands. I could beat off an entire stage full of men at the same time!
Posted by: Lindsey Graham
Minutes later, I'm still laughing audibly.
"Now, who wants to play a game of grabass?"
Posted by: imp at August 26, 2015 05:36 PM (XIXZz)
Trump was in the 30s before this I knew he was bound to get a boost from that.
Posted by: Severely Conservative at August 26, 2015 05:36 PM (p6UPL)
As someone mentioned above, that article is seriously flawed from the first sentence.
Anti-ILLEGAL-immigration is the growing sentiment.
People who break the laws right off the bat = Do Not Want.
Plus, anti-H1B sentiment due to abuse by employers and a lousy job market exacerbated by this abuse.
Honestly, Zuckerberg, et. al. if you don't want to support fellow Americans and have no fellow feeling for your Brother and Sister Americans-
please, by all means, get the fuck out and go live as a citizen of India or China or Mexico or wherever the fuck you want your non-American employees to come from.
We won't miss you as you yourself are not irreplaceable.
Posted by: naturalfake at August 26, 2015 05:36 PM (0cMkb)
Thanks for the vocabulary lesson. So what happens when the hot girls flout their boobies?
Posted by: ConservativeMonster formerly in the Barrel at August 26, 2015 05:28 PM (0NdlF
I have a happez
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 26, 2015 05:36 PM (Z58Xa)
What you DON"T do is say hell we can't deport anyone so what the fuck, open the border have at it....BECAUSE THAT IS THE CURRENT POLICY!
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 26, 2015 05:36 PM (DUoqb)
Posted by: AmishDude at August 26, 2015 05:34 PM (Xd2w5)
Tar and feathers *is* the political process.
The Constitution was the peaceful alternative, but our "betters" have rejected peace.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster formerly in the Barrel at August 26, 2015 05:36 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: No Pics Necessary If It Really Happened at August 26, 2015 05:37 PM (Q8y6V)
Posted by: Nip Sip
No, I don't. But I don't see what is wrong with attempting to do so, and enforcing the law. Just because we can't literally deport all illegal squatters doesn't mean no effort should be made to deport some of them.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at August 26, 2015 05:37 PM (/Ho8c)
Now I can get back to binge watching Doctor Who, Torchwood, and Mission:Impossible.
Posted by: CozMark at August 26, 2015 05:37 PM (CbGSW)
Posted by: Ynot you say at August 26, 2015 05:37 PM (TFWFz)
Not true, Linker is wrong here. It is true, as in the Gallup poll that Linker links, that when pollsters give people the three choices of increasing, decreasing, or leaving immigration the same, the number saying decrease is a minority, and only slightly larger than the number saying increase. However, when they just give people the binary choice of increase vs, decrease, decrease wins by 2-1. So clearly, many people want a decrease but are reluctant to say so.
Also, Americans are badly informed about the scale of legal immigration- a large majority mistakenly believe that illegal immigration is larger than than legal- and they probably just tend to assume that the immigration they like is legal, and the immigration they don't like is illegal.
Posted by: Jon at August 26, 2015 05:37 PM (HA+/6)
People whose professions depend on one being a native English speaker tend only to interact with immigration when they require a servant.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 26, 2015 05:37 PM (Xd2w5)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 26, 2015 05:37 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at August 26, 2015 05:37 PM (/Ho8c)
BINGO
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 26, 2015 05:38 PM (DUoqb)
I'm bummed that Walker is sliding, he has the record of actually taking on government unions and winning.
I like Jindal but he does not seem to have the outsize personality to overcome the MFM brownout of his message. It sucks that a non Dem candidate needs to be super skilled at getting message out in spite of the MFM but it is the current reality.
Posted by: PaleRider at August 26, 2015 05:38 PM (dkExz)
Posted by: MAx at August 26, 2015 05:38 PM (LAliD)
get the mexico wall its will be a great wall and the mexicans is going pay
for the hole wall second thing the free health care plan for every body about
health care like canada has is pretty good if you think about it third is trump is
puts a tax on mexico for there jobs being to cheap and steals america jobs
next thing is turmp stops china from putting a tax on america products that
go to china whats wrong china cant compete in a fair match with america
pretty good plan or i guess you like jeb who is a loser think about it idiot
#trumpfropresident2015ismakeamericabetterthistime
Posted by: Jose Canseco Eligible Voter at August 26, 2015 05:38 PM (+lsX1)
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 26, 2015 05:35 PM (0FSuD)
Well, you just called him Hitler, and Hitler had a demonstrated ability to kill more than 6 million people ...
And us Americans? We go big.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster formerly in the Barrel at August 26, 2015 05:38 PM (0NdlF)
Every one
and that is not Racism
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 05:33 PM
Except all the "western" and "enlightened" countries ignore their borders. Look at Europe.
Google Hungary Border fence and Croatia Macedonia immigration.
Liberal Western Europe is suicidal.
Posted by: rd at August 26, 2015 05:38 PM (a/sAS)
Trump will never be able to deport 11 million people, but what do you
think the answer about illegal immigration is, Nip, Sip and which
candidate best presents that view and in w3hat ways?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 26, 2015 05:34 PM (OSs/l)
You have to make the best of what you have. We have a mess because of Obama.
Most of what Walker says sounds good. Secure the borders, aka, stop the bleeding, then work through what you have here.
I think Germany's guest worker plan, for the Turks, is a good start for our illegals. We can't stop birth citizenship, but we can control the non citizens.
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 26, 2015 05:38 PM (0FSuD)
Everything nutty we are doing is based on the religious views of a few quacks. If you read your history, it was like this in 1860. Let's get out of the missionary business (I'm looking at you UN and NGOs) and get back to simple horse trading and ruthless competition.
Save the green jello for the true believers and move on.
Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 26, 2015 05:38 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 26, 2015 05:38 PM (OSs/l)
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 26, 2015 05:21 PM (Ii765)
She will fellate him much like she tried to filet Teh Donald.
Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at August 26, 2015 05:38 PM (JOG+K)
Posted by: Nip Sip
Yet again you display your addiction to the Nirvana fallacy.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 26, 2015 05:39 PM (Ck8hC)
Posted by: donna at August 26, 2015 05:39 PM (hUdMz)
Posted by: Yo! at August 26, 2015 05:39 PM (q+zA9)
Posted by: Country Singer at August 26, 2015 05:39 PM (nL0sw)
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 26, 2015 05:35 PM (0FSuD)
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We'll never know until we try.
Posted by: Soona at August 26, 2015 05:39 PM (P25Hh)
Posted by: bjk at August 26, 2015 05:39 PM (x2rNW)
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 26, 2015 05:33 PM (0FSuD)
I take it you are not county captain on the Trump team.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 26, 2015 05:39 PM (Z58Xa)
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at August 26, 2015 05:39 PM (/Ho8c)
You seriously don't believe the police can stop 100 million speeders do you?
Posted by: AmishDude at August 26, 2015 05:40 PM (Xd2w5)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 26, 2015 05:40 PM (oFCZn)
1 million would be enough. And he can do that. Just like he can build a 1,900 mile wall. Large problems are not impossible. The fact that he can't get all 11 million, and the fact that the wall will not stop 100%, is no reason to give up.
Posted by: wooga at August 26, 2015 05:40 PM (66gs3)
"Trump will never be able to deport 11 million people, ....
Posted by: FenelonSpoke "
Not to pick on you FS, but why do we still say this? Of course he can. He can order ICE to put every sinle illegal they pick up on a plane and drop them at the airport in their home country. If the cost of losing their rent deposit, coffee can full of cash, and any possessions isn't high enough, the rest will stick around. Or they will sell everything and go back home themselves.
Posted by: imp at August 26, 2015 05:40 PM (XIXZz)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 26, 2015 05:36 PM (DUoqb)
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This is exactly correct and well said. If Trump does somehow get elected, a large percentage of illegals will deport themselves.
Posted by: Stay out da bushes at August 26, 2015 05:40 PM (uRumV)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 05:40 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: donna at August 26, 2015 05:40 PM (hUdMz)
* buys more popcorn*
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 26, 2015 05:22 PM (9mTYi)
FIFY
Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at August 26, 2015 05:41 PM (JOG+K)
It's kind of interesting watching Britain take a stand on migrants coming through the Chunnel after they've imported half of Pakistan.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 26, 2015 05:41 PM (/kI1Q)
Trump will never be able to deport 11 million people, but what do you
think the answer about illegal immigration is, Nip, Sip and which
candidate best presents that view and in w3hat ways?
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This is a dodge employed by the do-nothings (DEM and GOPe). Simply start fining business who employ illegals. And I mean EPA fines for spilling oil on the ground kind of fines. The illegals will be gone BDQ.
Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 26, 2015 05:41 PM (oDCMR)
I'm not angry, I'm f*cking pissed off as hell about a multitude of issues. Rubio can kiss my ass
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 26, 2015 05:41 PM (Z58Xa)
121 Buzzion!
You're ALIVE!!!!!!
So.
See any white lights lately? Ancestors?
How was the trip?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 26, 2015 05:18 PM (x3GpS)
Nah just a dumbass that thinks a bunch of shootings that have happened over the last 6 years are hoaxes but he's too chickenshit to list the ones that are. I think I'd prefer the white lights.
Posted by: Buzzion at August 26, 2015 05:41 PM (z/Ubi)
You also do not have to deport 11 million illegals.
Just enforce the law that says illegals can't work in the US.
make the fines serious on employers who hire illegals, what, say$2,000 per day per illegal?
??
Posted by: Yo! at August 26, 2015 05:41 PM (q+zA9)
I know the Trumpoids do not like the comparison to a certain dictator in Germany,"
Oh, whatever. Strong leaders will always have certain traits in common. Someone like Trump appeals to people who are fed up and angry at the PTB. And Manchester wrote that the reason Churchill understood Hitler so well is because he had the same megalomaniac tendencies himself and knew it.
What would be the exact opposite of Hitler/Trump? Lindsey Graham? John Kasich?
Posted by: Jeanne up north at August 26, 2015 05:41 PM (ZveF7)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 26, 2015 05:41 PM (go6ud)
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 26, 2015 05:35 PM (0FSuD)
He can make it hell for those that stay after giving 3 months to leave.
Have one month of breaking up families, processing and deporting them separately. Do this for a few hundred families. Give everyone else another month to leave after that.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at August 26, 2015 05:42 PM (AC0lD)
The base wasn't able to make it's candidate win since Reagan.
Notice that a Trump wins self proclaimed moderates by huge margins.
Posted by: Juicer at August 26, 2015 05:42 PM (Q3cFN)
Posted by: Soothie at August 26, 2015 05:42 PM (1i8ZT)
Well, like I posted in another thread, you can't argue someone out of being in love.
I get that he's a missile aimed at D.C., and if he succeeds in taking it down (and the cfuking GOPe), God bless him.
But this reality-show man has proven multiple times that he can't be trusted with OPM.
The fact that the only thing Trump is good at is self-promotion apparently falls on deaf ears. The fact that he uses government to strong arm people out of their homes for his projects is seemingly irrelevant. The fact that he already had a fortune from his Dad's slumlording biz somehow proves he's an incomparable businessman.
But Daddy, I love him!
Hasn't the country had enough of that already?
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 26, 2015 05:42 PM (laMCB)
Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 26, 2015 05:41 PM (oDCMR)
Along with things like no rento uno houseo y apartamento and adios, amigos!
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 26, 2015 05:42 PM (oFCZn)
"Trump will never be able to deport 11 million people, ....
Posted by: FenelonSpoke
Able or will? There is a difference.
It can be done, it would be difficult but never?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 26, 2015 05:43 PM (Z58Xa)
*leaves room*
*dances a jig*
Posted by: Drider at August 26, 2015 05:43 PM (6Xbsz)
Posted by: Nip Sip
No, I don't. But I don't see what is wrong with attempting to do so, and enforcing the law. Just because we can't literally deport all illegal squatters doesn't mean no effort should be made to deport some of them.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic
1. It is NOT 11 Million. Try 25-40 Million.
2. We do not need to deport them. We only need to stop paying them to be here. They will deport themseles. This time with a car, household goods and money in their pockets, as opposed to sneaking across the border with a backpack full of drugs for their coyote/guide.
Posted by: rd at August 26, 2015 05:43 PM (a/sAS)
one more person equates the Jews of Europe with illegal immigrants my head is going to explode
NIP read about the Dreyfuss affair
educate yourself
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 05:43 PM (zOTsN)
The other faction -- liberal lawyers, activists, intellectuals, journalists, academics, members of the clergy..."
Where's the dividing line? They're the same people, not two factions. They always were the same people too. "Liberal lawyers" are just clueless about the origins, as if Tories invented free-market libertarianism, what a ridiculous idea. The free market was created to bring down the ancien regime.
Posted by: bruce at August 26, 2015 05:43 PM (CDJHJ)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 26, 2015 05:43 PM (Z58Xa)
Some are, some aren't. Some just want to destroy the GOPe, which I think is a perfectly valid reason.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 26, 2015 05:43 PM (ODxAs)
It might cost a few thousand to deprort each invader, but we'll save tens of thousands by doing so.
Posted by: Soothie at August 26, 2015 05:44 PM (1i8ZT)
Posted by: donna
I'm suspicious of him, too. I'm suspicious of all of them. He could just be trying to detonate the Republican primary to go third party and hand the general to Hillary. I don't know.
I do know that some of what he is saying is rational and makes sense. I also know he's an egotistical gaseous windbag and may be entirely full of crap. But the immigration issue desperately needs to be candidly discussed.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at August 26, 2015 05:44 PM (/Ho8c)
>>>> no country ever has treated non citizens better than citizens
Then again, no country has ever tolerated as many SJWs as we have.
Posted by: GBruno at August 26, 2015 05:44 PM (u49WF)
As opposssseddddd toooooooo?
Posted by: Drider at August 26, 2015 05:45 PM (6Xbsz)
"Jeb Bush says that Univision anchor Jorge Ramos, who was escorted out of a press conference held by Donald Trump on Tuesday night, should have been "treated with a little more respect."
"I think people with the press ought to be treated with a little more respect and dignity," he told reporters."
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 26, 2015 05:45 PM (Ck8hC)
Stop with the trigger words already
Posted by: mossomo at August 26, 2015 05:45 PM (4ihtn)
Posted by: ace
So you have robots calling cartoon characters? Uh, OK, sure. Why not.
Posted by: Daybrother at August 26, 2015 05:45 PM (6imZZ)
Seize their assets. Deportation, proper done, doesn't cost money, it makes money.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 26, 2015 05:45 PM (evdj2)
"I think people with the press ought to be treated with a little more respect and dignity," he told reporters."
Posted by: weft cut-loop
I would've swallowed.
Posted by: El Jefe HEB Boosh at August 26, 2015 05:46 PM (awspb)
Posted by: Jim Gilmore at August 26, 2015 05:46 PM (nFdGS)
Posted by: DJ Jazzy Mel at August 26, 2015 05:46 PM (22uju)
alot will leave on their own
even more will choose not to come
you dont have to make it impossible
you have to make it very very difficult
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 05:46 PM (zOTsN)
No...I believe he can deport 30 Million at least.
Posted by: Covert Revolutionary at August 26, 2015 05:46 PM (SJi0a)
How many actual Republican primary voters actually pull the lever for him will be interesting. I could easily see Trump being the nominee, but I could also see him going into a primary with a 20 point lead and it collapsing when the votes are counted.
Posted by: Coolio at August 26, 2015 05:46 PM (ChfXC)
It can be done.
You just don't want to try.
Posted by: Positive Waves at August 26, 2015 05:47 PM (MQEz6)
What makes you think Trump will do anything he's promising?
He's changed his tune on everything else! Sometimes in 24 hours!
Gad, I wish the Trumpettes were my prospects. I could sell them all kinds of shoddy cheap shit and they'd think it was yuuuge and luxuuuurious.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 26, 2015 05:47 PM (laMCB)
That'll take care of that bullshit.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 26, 2015 05:47 PM (oFCZn)
which is why Jeb can go fuck himself and his poll numbers are sinking as fast the NY Yankee's team batting average
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 26, 2015 05:47 PM (DUoqb)
of a press conference held by Donald Trump on Tuesday night, should have
been "treated with a little more respect."
Why? Because he's a certain ethnicity?
Guy was a stone dick. No other reporter would be allowed to do that shit.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 26, 2015 05:47 PM (oVJmc)
Don Trump speaks out forthrightly about getting rid of birthright citizenship for illegal aliens, and further rockets up in the polls.
Scott Limper weakly equivocates on the issue of birthright citizenship and suffers a damn-near-double-digit loss of support in the polls.
Think the establishment GOP will get the message and draw conclusions? I sure don't. They never have before. Their ability to ignore the clearly expressed preferences of their base is unparalleled in history.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 26, 2015 05:47 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Buzzion at August 26, 2015 05:47 PM (z/Ubi)
The boobies will NOT be flouted.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 26, 2015 05:47 PM (8ZskC)
I personally don't believe Trump will even try to deport illegals. I think he might even modify what he said if he gets the nom. My hope is different than my belief... I hope somebody with power would do it.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 26, 2015 05:47 PM (ODxAs)
Would really be so awful to have someone at least try?
Posted by: Coolio at August 26, 2015 05:47 PM (ChfXC)
He could peel off enough Dem and indy voters to win the general.
Easily.
The rest of the crowd? I don't see that happening.
Posted by: navybrat at August 26, 2015 05:47 PM (JgC5a)
If Trump got so much as a mini bounce out of tossing an agitator disguised as a reporter out of the room. Jeb will be going all Ivan the Terrible on any reporter that so much as blinks at him.
Follow the leader, follow the leader, follow the leader. It's the game they play.
Posted by: Drider at August 26, 2015 05:48 PM (6Xbsz)
This is CONTROLLED Anger.
Really Piss us off, and he and his buddies in DC will be dangling from light poles.
Posted by: rd at August 26, 2015 05:48 PM (a/sAS)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 26, 2015 05:45 PM (Ck8hC)
"Not like those 'conservative' Bible-thumper nobodies mouth-breathers out there in flyover land," he continued. "Reporters are people that the GOPe needs to win. Fuck the base, they're only useful for fleecing votes and donations."
Posted by: Country Singer at August 26, 2015 05:48 PM (nL0sw)
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Precisely. They aren't here to become Americans, they are here to get rich like Americans. Big Fucking Difference.
Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 26, 2015 05:49 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 26, 2015 05:49 PM (DUoqb)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 26, 2015 05:49 PM (go6ud)
The fact that the only thing Trump is good at is self-promotion apparently falls on deaf ears.
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HLF. To repeat what I said yesterday, you can't go north of the North Pole, and the GOPe is the North Pole of awful.
Trump is an unknown quantity to a certain extent, since he's never held public office.
We know with 100% certainty that the GOPe will stab us in the back.
I'm not motivated by love of Trump, or even trust, but by certainty that the GOPe cannot be trusted.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at August 26, 2015 05:49 PM (E5UB0)
This pretty much sums up why I won't vote for Jeb. If he is the nominee, I'm writing Trump in.
Posted by: Covert Revolutionary at August 26, 2015 05:49 PM (SJi0a)
His trolling is not best grade.
Posted by: Positive Waves at August 26, 2015 05:49 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at August 26, 2015 05:15 PM (e/W+h)
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Yep.
And the first item on the agenda will be amnesty and consolidation of the open-borders policy. So that the whole question is "settled."
The massive defeat of Trump will be used as "proof" that the American people really DO want invasion....or at least that any attempt to address the invasion is political poison.
So yeah, doooooom!
Posted by: Margarita who wishes she drank more at August 26, 2015 05:49 PM (cN9Sk)
"It also scares me that morons here are buying a bag of bull shit."
Like in this classic "Flaming Skull in a Pudding Cup" thread from November 4th, 2014 celebrating a great victory.
http://tinyurl.com/oncuapl
Good times. Good times. And they lasted about a month.
Posted by: Stateless Infidel at August 26, 2015 05:49 PM (AC0lD)
Consider it a test for the establishment.
They can either listen to the dissatisfaction, or belittle and piss on it.
So far they're going with #2. And that's not going to win that support back.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 26, 2015 05:49 PM (oVJmc)
Oh wait, that means you have to pay decent wages to people you can't control. Oh dear, how tragic...
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 26, 2015 05:50 PM (9krrF)
The total population of Mexico is 122 million.
So we're talking about 5.3% of the country. And if the Pew numbers are off, we're talking about much much more. Close to a literal decimation of the population of a country.
The arguments ("we can't deport them all") don't even sound like arguments about immigration, they sound like arguments about annexation.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 26, 2015 05:50 PM (Xd2w5)
Posted by: rickb223 at August 26, 2015 05:50 PM (k+zgr)
A nation with no borders is not sovereign, it cannot stand, and it will die. There is a huge faction of citizens who both recognize this and understand the implications.
That Trump speaks truth to sovereignty here, trumps (pun intended) other party issues.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 26, 2015 05:50 PM (Z9g7j)
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 26, 2015 05:50 PM (/kI1Q)
How about that list of hoax shootings?
Posted by: Buzzion at August 26, 2015 05:50 PM (z/Ubi)
Posted by: bjk at August 26, 2015 05:50 PM (x2rNW)
Posted by: simplemind at August 26, 2015 05:50 PM (5vV+V)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 26, 2015 05:50 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: prescient11 at August 26, 2015 05:50 PM (q5APL)
Rubio says Trump won't win because we're not angry.
Then Rubio is a fool. If the American people got much angrier, the streets would be awash with blood of politicians, lawyers, and journalists.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2015 05:51 PM (39g3+)
Nip, 500 busses, each carrying 50 tresspassers, making one trip per day for 300 days can deport 7.5 million people.
It can be done.
You just don't want to try.
Posted by: Positive Waves at August 26, 2015 05:47 PM (MQEz6)
50,000 SJW lawyers in court for months appealing every case.
Right we'll get them all out of here in 10 years or so.
Seriously. this is not an option.
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 26, 2015 05:51 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 26, 2015 05:51 PM (Ck8hC)
>>>
And this is a set up question much like Barry and his the only choice is make a deal with Iran or all out war. Fucking car sales politics.
Posted by: Willy J at August 26, 2015 05:51 PM (9ET6q)
I think I know where Trump got his bounce from.
Posted by: Drider at August 26, 2015 05:51 PM (6Xbsz)
Oh, ffs, Jeb! Just declare yourself a Democrat already, and then, and I say this with the utmost respect and dignity, fuck off!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 26, 2015 05:51 PM (AqaiB)
Posted by: rebel flounder at August 26, 2015 05:51 PM (Vf5rR)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 26, 2015 05:51 PM (OSs/l)
I think they should be treated with tar and feathers...
Posted by: donna at August 26, 2015 05:51 PM (hUdMz)
Posted by: El Gobernador Jeb Bush at August 26, 2015 05:51 PM (8ZskC)
Seize their assets. Deportation, proper done, doesn't cost money, it makes money.
How do you think George Soros got his start?
(yeah, I went Godwin, but it is true)
Posted by: rd at August 26, 2015 05:51 PM (a/sAS)
Someone work on Buzzion's wake.
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 26, 2015 05:51 PM (0FSuD)
Uh, where was Jeb when Eric Holder was wiretapping AP's phones and Fox's James Rosen's, as well as his parents' phones?
Is that respect and dignity?
Posted by: Lizzy at August 26, 2015 05:52 PM (NOIQH)
That's not an inconsiderable appeal. Whether true or not.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 26, 2015 05:52 PM (9krrF)
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 26, 2015 05:52 PM (/kI1Q)
But
Somehow we can find 11 million and give them welfare checks.
Posted by: Trump '16 Because FUCK YOU, That's Why at August 26, 2015 05:52 PM (JOG+K)
I have absolutely no grounds to believe that.
Unfortunately, based on extensive and bitter prior experience, I also don't have any grounds to believe that any of the rest of the Republican candidates will do anything that they're promising to do.
Reagan said he'd get rid of costly federal superfluities like the Department of Education. He didn't.
Poppy Bush said, "Read my lips, no new taxes," then raised them.
Dubya Bush said he wasn't going to waste American blood and treasure on futile, ridiculous "nation-building" efforts abroad, then promptly launched into not one but two such efforts simultaneously. (Both of which failed at enormous cost in blood and treasure.)
And that's just at the Presidential level. The similar arrogance and betrayal of clearly stated claims by GOP congressional and gubernatorial aspirants, upon attaining office, has just been breathtaking.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 26, 2015 05:52 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 26, 2015 05:52 PM (DUoqb)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 26, 2015 05:53 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: prescient11 at August 26, 2015 05:53 PM (q5APL)
How about that list of hoax shootings?
Posted by: Buzzion
I'm not saying that the assassination of William McKinley was a Mossad false flag operation, I'm just asking questions.
Posted by: Jesse "The Derp" Ventura at August 26, 2015 05:53 PM (awspb)
This pretty much sums up why I won't vote for Jeb. If he is the nominee, I'm writing Trump in.
Posted by: Covert Revolutionary
I would say I'm 99% there
If it was a contest between Jeb and Trump, no question Trump
I could though support some of the other candidates even though we don't see eye to eye. I also don't agree with Trump on all the issues either
Posted by: Coolio at August 26, 2015 05:53 PM (ChfXC)
I know the Trumpoids do not like the comparison to a certain dictator in
Germany, who's name will not be mentioned, but the comparisons are
pretty scary.
Seriously, dude.
Get help.
Posted by: Juan Moore at August 26, 2015 05:53 PM (i0aWW)
think about if one bus can drive to mexico and a hundred guys are on the bus
than you just get more bus like one after the other in a line and they go to mexico
every week on friday or what ever think about all the bus company its is alot
shit load of busses and pretty soon its than you get all those guys out and the
good ones can come back there is a door in the mexico wall for the good ones
but rapers gangs murders excetera cant not get back in only the good ones
but i guess you like looser jeb lol
#turmpforpresidnt2015isamericagreatagain
Posted by: Jose Canseco Eligible Voter at August 26, 2015 05:53 PM (+lsX1)
Right we'll get them all out of here in 10 years or so.
Seriously. this is not an option.
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 26, 2015 05:51 PM (0FSuD)
It's a tax. Case dismissed with extreme prejudice. Next!
Posted by: Judge at August 26, 2015 05:53 PM (0NdlF)
Juan Ellis Bush making All The Wrong Moves.
This guy really doesnt want anyone to vote for him, does he?
Posted by: Soothie at August 26, 2015 05:54 PM (1i8ZT)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 05:54 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: logprof, now Amazonian at August 26, 2015 05:54 PM (vsbNu)
The IRS is perpetually faced with millions of cheats, maybe tens of millions.
Does the IRS say "Woe is us, we can't possibly prosecute them all!"?
No. It picks and chooses a few cases, maybe some high profile cases, and it not only prosecutes those cases, but it comes down on them like a ton of bricks. And then, they publicize those cases.
Then, the rest of us fall in to line.
The same technique applied to the illegals would work. We've never tried it, because we are all in the "woe is us..." stage.
For crying out loud, El Chapo's wife and kids are here, living like royalty.
Posted by: navybrat at August 26, 2015 05:54 PM (JgC5a)
Nip, 500 busses, each carrying 50 tresspassers, making one trip per day for 300 days can deport 7.5 million people.
It can be done.
You just don't want to try.
Posted by: Positive Waves at August 26, 2015 05:47 PM (MQEz6)
50,000 SJW lawyers in court for months appealing every case.
Right we'll get them all out of here in 10 years or so.
Seriously. this is not an option.
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 26, 2015 05:51 PM (0FSuD)
So best not to try at all! Fuck you.
Posted by: Buzzion at August 26, 2015 05:54 PM (z/Ubi)
Not with me it ain't. I do not want this polical and "intellectual" class to shove diversity down my throat by proactive law or by neglect.
It's only illegal immigration we conservatives are supposed to oppose? Really? Then if the government abolished all rules of entry and declared that henceforth walking into the country made one a citizen, that'd be cool, because it'd be legal? bah.
Posted by: Randy M at August 26, 2015 05:54 PM (iwy8d)
Neither the elites, left or right, will be able to stop this war, and most things they do to do so will start it. If and when this war comes, those doing the condescending right now better pray that somebody is able to moderate things, because there is no guarantee the passion of the people who win will so do allow if left to itself.
When the coin of the realm of the current cultural regime is to banish, outlaw, and allow no place at the table for those not liked, then that may be the coin they are paid back in. It will not matter what the ancestors of those revolting once did--all that will matter is what those they are revolting against are doing *right now*.
If Progressives want to chance a future Constitution with Christ explicitly written into it and mandatory things they cannot abide, then they need only keep on the path they are, and they will arrive at the roll of the dice.
Wars are chancy things. They are also bloody things. The dead that would result if the Civil War were fought today would be north of 6 million. In that war, Southern whites were about 1/6th (or so) of the pre-war population. This is important, because I believe Mr. Trump has already exceeded that number. Now, Mr. Trump will either win or go away, so we should not really consider him in this discussion. But the same cannot be said for those flocking to him right now. When they don't win, what happens when they decide to not go away, nor surrender? What?
Posted by: Horatius at August 26, 2015 05:54 PM (ez6Am)
hundreds of them
Where's Judge Roy Bean when You need Him?
Posted by: donna at August 26, 2015 05:54 PM (hUdMz)
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Proves my gut reaction to Rubio - a brown nosing suckup.
Next.
Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 26, 2015 05:54 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 26, 2015 05:54 PM (evdj2)
And drivers licenses, and tax refunds..
Posted by: Lizzy at August 26, 2015 05:55 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 26, 2015 05:52 PM (/kI1Q)
I have a solution! Subsidies and tenure!
Posted by: Your Helpful Government at August 26, 2015 05:55 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 26, 2015 05:55 PM (DUoqb)
The GOPe could end Trump's campaign quickly, just by doing right now some of the things they promised. But they won't, so they can be in the wasteland for 20 years AFAIAC.
I still believe amnesty will come in the form of a R president and an R congress.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 26, 2015 05:55 PM (ODxAs)
Right we'll get them all out of here in 10 years or so.
Seriously. this is not an option.
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 26, 2015 05:51 PM (0FSuD)
Fuck them, just do it.
You take the troll position so easily.
That position is "don't even think about trying sonething because it just can't work"
Your mask is useless. We see you.
Posted by: Positive Waves at August 26, 2015 05:55 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Juicer at August 26, 2015 05:56 PM (Q3cFN)
Posted by: simplemind at August 26, 2015 05:56 PM (5vV+V)
However, and I know this will get rocks thrown at me, I think there should be a statute of limitations added in. If you squat on land long enough, it legally becomes yours. If you use a piece of property long enough, it becomes yours. If you avoid arrest for minor crimes long enough, they can't arrest you any more because of a statute of limitations.
This makes sense for illegals here long enough as well, I think. Yes, it sounds like amnesty and in a sense it sort of is, but there's basic legal precedent for it. If you have not been a criminal, if you've been a productive member of society by working and staying out of trouble, and have lived in the nation, say, 10 years without incident, we start treating you like a legal immigrant.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2015 05:56 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 26, 2015 05:56 PM (DUoqb)
You're not seriously arguing that Trump is a more trustworthy man than was Reagan?
Then stop with the, "All politicians lie" bit.
Some have proven more trustworthy than others.
My trustworthiness meter reads "Self-promoting blowhard who will knife you in the back faster than he booted the widow in Atlantic City" when I aim it at him.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 26, 2015 05:56 PM (laMCB)
Oh wait, that means you have to pay decent wages to people you can't control. Oh dear, how tragic...
Posted by: Brother Cavi
You really just need a few examples and people get the idea.
People know that right now, being here illegally is a game, so it's not taken seriously.
Posted by: Coolio at August 26, 2015 05:57 PM (ChfXC)
Posted by: Soothie at August 26, 2015 05:57 PM (1i8ZT)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 26, 2015 05:58 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Buzzion at August 26, 2015 05:54 PM (z/Ubi)
Buzzion, please, you have to learn to calm down and take things easier now that you're dead.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 26, 2015 05:58 PM (8ZskC)
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How is that any different from what a Jeb Bush is proposing?
Posted by: Coolio at August 26, 2015 05:58 PM (ChfXC)
Linker isn't "mistaken," he's a fucking liar. Conflating immigration and illegal immigration is like conflating sex and rape. Linker's not doing it to save letters, he's doing it to bias language in favor of a political argument, *deliberately* and with malice aforethought.
That's why "anchor babies" suddenly became offensive, and advocates of the practice demanded they were "just babies." You can't have a debate if you aren't allowed to use the terms of the debate. In other words, "shut up, they explained."
Society may have a lot of assholes, but you don't *have* to let them get away with every damned thing.
Don't think of journolists and journolists, think of them as Used Ideology Salesmen trying to sell you Cartoon Marxism. Low mileage, owned by an old lady, and It Will Work This Time.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2015 05:58 PM (bLnSU)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 26, 2015 05:59 PM (DsveK)
the Holocaust in any argument you are making, you already lost.
Cecile Richards and Mengele kinda go together, though. *srednop*
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 26, 2015 05:59 PM (/kI1Q)
The memo, circulated last week among top personnel and medical officials, lays out the road map for ending the policy and highlights some of the potential issues, including a pilot program that would provide leaves of absences for transgender troops being treated with hormones or having surgery.
Leave of Fuckin absences? And I can't get my legitimate Travel claim paid because there is NO money?
The Military is NOT A SOCIAL EXPERIMENT!
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 26, 2015 05:59 PM (DUoqb)
Posted by: Lester at August 26, 2015 05:59 PM (2UPXV)
Yes. We like immigrants - if they come here legally and are productive and beneficial members of society. We want the best and brightest around the world to come to the USA. We want to welcome people who are here to grow and add to the nation and be a part of us, working hard and contributing to the country's well-being.
We don't want people to break the law to get here and live off us, often breaking the law even more.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2015 05:59 PM (39g3+)
Juan Ellis Bush making All The Wrong Moves.
This guy really doesnt want anyone to vote for him, does he?
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I think he may be retarded. Slightly retarded. He doesn't seem to have any self awareness when he speaks. Its like he looking to step in dogshit cuz its warm kind of stupid.
Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 26, 2015 06:00 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 26, 2015 06:00 PM (DsveK)
Posted by: PaleRider at August 26, 2015 06:00 PM (dkExz)
A non-citizen working without the appropriate authorization is committing a criminal act, so both those conditions can never be satisfied...
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 26, 2015 06:01 PM (/kI1Q)
It is under a Democrat. That's why I said not to enlist under one and people started yelling at me.
How is that any different from what a Jeb Bush is proposing?
I have no idea what Jeb is proposing. Its just a reasonable extension from existing law in other areas.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2015 06:01 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: donna at August 26, 2015 06:01 PM (hUdMz)
Posted by: Yo! at August 26, 2015 06:02 PM (q+zA9)
In controlled doses. A pinch of salt, not the whole container.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 26, 2015 06:02 PM (0NdlF)
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When does Trump start his beer hall tour? Will his official campaign uniform be brown shirts?
Asking for a friend
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 02:30 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Godwin's Ghost at August 26, 2015 06:02 PM (nqa3o)
Posted by: AltonJackson at August 26, 2015 06:02 PM (KCxzN)
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 26, 2015 06:02 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: Positive Waves at August 26, 2015 06:02 PM (MQEz6)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 26, 2015 06:03 PM (DsveK)
Posted by: ConservativeMonster Embarreled Once More at August 26, 2015 06:03 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: AltonJackson at August 26, 2015 06:03 PM (KCxzN)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 06:03 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: rickb223 at August 26, 2015 06:04 PM (k+zgr)
Posted by: No Ways Tard at August 26, 2015 06:04 PM (oDCMR)
Posted by: bjk at August 26, 2015 06:04 PM (x2rNW)
You obviously haven't been to the eastern half of L.A. County lately because they've taken down the Spanish signs and replaced all of them with signs in Chinese.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 26, 2015 06:04 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Homer Simpson at August 26, 2015 06:04 PM (awspb)
What I meant by that is that all the GOPe candidates are bullshit. I'd vote for Trump in a heartbeat.
Hell, I'm going to volunteer for him. So is my Mexican American best friend. And his parents.
Posted by: prescient11 at August 26, 2015 06:04 PM (q5APL)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 26, 2015 06:05 PM (DsveK)
Posted by: DONALD TRUMP at August 26, 2015 06:05 PM (TJCSB)
The best part about all these illegals is if we get in a big war all the citizens will get drafted and all the illegals can stay home and give us the Jody treatment.
This was the actual cause of the zoot suit wars in l.a. but that's not how they teach it in school.
Posted by: MAx at August 26, 2015 06:05 PM (LAliD)
Posted by: Furious George at August 26, 2015 06:05 PM (UlJ3l)
society by working and staying out of trouble, and have lived in the
nation, say, 10 years without incident, we start treating you like a
legal immigrant."
There's an extremely depressing reality we have to confront. To wit:
It's possible for someone to immigrate to America LEGALLY, who has every intent of assimilating, who "works hard and plays by the rules", who stays out of trouble, who pays taxes and...
... who is still, net-net, a drain on America's strained public finances.
There are millions of people just like this. We can't afford to have them here.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 26, 2015 06:06 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Furious George at August 26, 2015 06:05 PM (UlJ3l)
Actually a pretty good analogy and funny also
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 26, 2015 06:06 PM (DUoqb)
obviously Nevergiveup is the problem
who would you vote for
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 06:06 PM (zOTsN)
"His basic point is that while the public may favor a liberal immigration policy, they have not and probably will not agree to a virtual opens border policy, which is the policy preference of the "political and economic elites," as he calls them."
Yes, and this - we NEVER have a fully honest discussion of the topic (benefits and costs), and the elites CONSTANTLY refuse to enforce the laws we all agreed to. The second part is what makes me furious - I might agree to open borders if we discussed it, and a majority of people agreed to it. however, our current laws do not say that, yet the elites insist we must simply not enforce the laws to go with their preferences.
Posted by: Geroge Orwell's ghost at August 26, 2015 06:06 PM (/EkKm)
obviously Nevergiveup is the problem
who would you vote for
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 06:06 PM (zOTsN)
OK What am I missing?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 26, 2015 06:07 PM (DUoqb)
Posted by: Geroge Orwell's ghost at August 26, 2015 06:07 PM (/EkKm)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 06:07 PM (zOTsN)
What makes you think the hordes of immigrants settling into every dang state and community isn't a war tactic? An invasion and colonization.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 26, 2015 06:08 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 06:07 PM (zOTsN)
I guess I should wear that like a bag of Honor? Probably moo moo
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 26, 2015 06:08 PM (DUoqb)
Well that's another battle. That happens because of the social spending that's being thrown around like candy.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2015 06:09 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 06:09 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Geroge Orwell's ghost at August 26, 2015 06:09 PM (/EkKm)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 26, 2015 06:09 PM (DsveK)
Posted by: AOSHQ Style Guide at August 26, 2015 06:09 PM (+iGxf)
Trouble is the border is only open 1 way... try going to mexico to live and work and use public resources...
Posted by: donna at August 26, 2015 06:09 PM (hUdMz)
Posted by: Randy M at August 26, 2015 06:09 PM (iwy8d)
who was escorted out of a press conference held by Donald Trump on
Tuesday night, should have been "treated with a little more respect."
"I think people with the press ought to be treated with a little more respect and dignity," he told reporters."
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 26, 2015 05:45 PM (Ck8hC)
Lol, Jeb! Here's a bag of dicks. Share it with Jorge.
Posted by: rebel flounder at August 26, 2015 06:10 PM (Vf5rR)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 26, 2015 06:10 PM (DsveK)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 26, 2015 06:10 PM (DUoqb)
I was Team Perry, because having lived in Texas, I believe in the Texas way of governance. Well, I guess that doesn't fly nationally because I live in a country of idiots, and with the supreme concentration of power to the executive branch over the past little while, I want the executive to be my kind of asshole.
Posted by: Jarrod at August 26, 2015 06:10 PM (+8LC+)
Posted by: donna at August 26, 2015 06:11 PM (hUdMz)
Posted by: Lindsay Graham at August 26, 2015 06:11 PM (Vf5rR)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 26, 2015 06:11 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 26, 2015 06:12 PM (DsveK)
Except they aren't on the whole actually paying and are a net drain on the system by getting SSI payments. And in any case, there's no set aside fund for Social Security to begin with, so if we're 22 trillion dollars in debt, more people paying into that won't turn the card.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2015 06:12 PM (39g3+)
THAT is Galatians 3:14, not whatever you think Trump said, who by the way is neither Paul nor Jesus.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 26, 2015 06:13 PM (OSs/l)
Posted by: dartist at August 26, 2015 06:13 PM (ahBY0)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 26, 2015 06:14 PM (OSs/l)
could sell them all kinds of shoddy cheap shit and they'd think it was
yuuuge and luxuuuurious.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 26, 2015 05:47 PM (laMCB)
Not based on your demonstrated salesmanship here.
Posted by: rebel flounder at August 26, 2015 06:14 PM (Vf5rR)
You'll get nothing and like it!
-GOPe
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2015 06:14 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at August 26, 2015 06:14 PM (uhftQ)
There are millions of people just like this. We can't afford to have them here.
Posted by: torquewrench
This is true. But that is also true of some non-immigrants as well--and together are a separate problem from the illegal immigration one. One battle at a time.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at August 26, 2015 06:14 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: bjk at August 26, 2015 05:50 PM (x2rNW)
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Didn't he say about a year ago that he had no intentions of campaigning for the conservative vote?
Posted by: Soona at August 26, 2015 06:15 PM (P25Hh)
Repeatedly, for decades.
Posted by: DaveA at August 26, 2015 06:15 PM (DL2i+)
What's the new ceiling Trump will never reach? 45%??
Ummmm, yeah. The 13 "splitter" fake candidates BACKFIRED BIG TIME on the GOPe.
Posted by: prescient11 at August 26, 2015 06:15 PM (q5APL)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 26, 2015 06:15 PM (DsveK)
You seriously don't believe national borders and laws are unenforceable do you?
Policing isn't just about capturing and jailing criminals. The presence and stance of the police PREVENTS crime. Otherwise we could also ask, "You don't believe we can catch every single criminal do you?" It's about adopting an attitude, a stance which lets the bad guys know it's not worth breaking the law.
Posted by: bruce at August 26, 2015 06:16 PM (CDJHJ)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2015 06:17 PM (39g3+)
Seems like I remember something like that, yeah. Its a fair deal, we have no intention of voting for him, either.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 26, 2015 06:18 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: donna at August 26, 2015 06:09 PM (hUdMz)
------------------------------------
I know a woman in Mexico that has a tourist business. The hoops the Mehican government makes her jump through is amazing.
Posted by: Soona at August 26, 2015 06:20 PM (P25Hh)
Ah the old he attacked a widow line?? Eh?
TDS is causing GOPe pundits to bring out the widow in a wheelchair off a cliff bullshit yet again.
And of course, only fucking RINOs will attack OTHER REPUBLICANS with such tactics. Never, ever use it against the dems.
Posted by: prescient11 at August 26, 2015 06:22 PM (q5APL)
By Jim Geraghty
October 24, 2014 5:45 PM
This study’s claim is pretty eye-opening…
Our data comes from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study (CCES). Its large number of observations (32,800 in 2008 and 55,400 in 2010) provide sufficient samples of the non-immigrant sub-population, with 339 non-citizen respondents in 2008 and 489 in 2010. For the 2008 CCES, we also attempted to match respondents to voter files so that we could verify whether they actually voted.
How many non-citizens participate in U.S. elections? More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. Furthermore, some of these non-citizens voted. Our best guess, based upon extrapolations from the portion of the sample with a verified vote, is that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010.
(Note that they keep using the term, “non-citizen,” without specifying whether they mean immigrants who have entered the country illegally or immigrants who are in the process of legally becoming citizens — lawful permanent residents, a.k.a. “green card” holders, or both. It’s a crime either way, but it’s easier to imagine a lawful permanent resident mistakenly thinking they have already earned the right to vote.)
If they mean 6.4 percent of 11 million illegal immigrants… we’re talking about roughly 700,000 votes being cast by non-citizens in 2008. Stunning. If true, it refutes my earlier contention that proven cases of voter fraud would only swing elections in races that come down to a few hundred votes.
More in NRO archives.
Posted by: Daybrother at August 26, 2015 06:28 PM (x2XFR)
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at August 26, 2015 06:28 PM (WjXce)
You guys should listen to nip sip says as an indicator, whichever R is in front will face the racism meme from the democrats. By Feb, Trump will be synonymous with racism for 55% of the country. I know it happens to all R's but its really gonna get bad with him.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 26, 2015 06:29 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 26, 2015 06:30 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale
It's common post mortem muscle twitching. It'll stop eventually.
Posted by: Daybrother at August 26, 2015 06:31 PM (7UuEb)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 26, 2015 06:32 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: P. Aaron at August 26, 2015 06:32 PM (FDFJ2)
Trump will be synonymous with racism
I dunno, he has managed to shrug off everything else. I'm guessing he will attack anyone who tries to paint him as a racist, and hit them hard.
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at August 26, 2015 06:33 PM (WjXce)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 26, 2015 06:34 PM (ODxAs)
If Roger Ailes would of shown one ounce of concern(is that why his butt is big?) for the lies and crap thrown at Sarah Palin...his blowback on Trump/Megan would be honest...
evidently, Faux Fox is losing support faster than the repuglican establishment..
/s
Posted by: palinbeatsturdblossom at August 26, 2015 06:42 PM (/qiij)
Posted by: ConservativeMonster Unbarreled at August 26, 2015 06:43 PM (0NdlF)
So they have been triangulating for years to figure out how to patch together a majority, and the present disarray of idiotic rambling from either Jeb Bush, John Boehner, Rick Perry or any of a host of so-called Republicans is because of their basic intellectual confusion about just what the Party is about.
The Democrats know what their party is about. Lie when necessary, and use the Federal Budget (and any state you run) to buy votes. Period.
When Republicans try to be junior Democrats, no wonder the Base rejects them.
Jeb Bush is perhaps the most obvious example of Republican Derangement Syndrome. He really has no clue (and could care less) WHAT the Party is supposed to stand for. And to him that's a feature, not a bug.
Trump may or may not be some kind of Republican, but he does know what HE stands for. He's an Alpha male, and frankly, putting on a ballcap that says "Make America Great Again" appeals to a lot of people that are sick of the politics as usual telling us that we have to accept less.
I have no idea WHAT Trump would do if elected, but we have seen all the alternatives.
This is now a Center-Left country, and Trump is forthrighly declaring himself an American Nationalist, for the country, for the people. He is selling the idea of America back to the people, and you wonder why this is popular? Rather than telling people that it's hateful to be against illegal immigration/invasion by Mexicans, et al?
He strictly refuses the assumed premises upon which the Media couches their questions and reporting. And with much of the current distrust of the Media, you wonder why this is popular?
This being now a Center-Left country, I believe, if we found the One True Best Conservative candidate, could he/she get elected? Even if they were terribly articulate, extremely intelligent, and generally likeable? Cruz has two of the three, but a lot of people actively detest him (I don't, I think he is brilliant).
I don't hope for Trump, pray for Trump or endorse Trump, but who else can stake out a middle ground to get a marjority of the votes and win the electoral college, can bring out revious non-voters to cast a vote, and oppose more vote-buying by the Democrats?
The vote buying will soon break us economically, so choose wisely.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...not Spartacus at August 26, 2015 06:45 PM (RFeQD)
"So while I can't build a shed on my property without environmental impact studies and variances from zoning and permits and all kinds of bullshit, some amigo can cross the border, live in a winnebago with an extension cord, drive an unregistered car drunk, never get insurance or a license, and generally ignore every single law in the country and that's cool."
A lot of that stuff you can do as well if you decide to live that sort of lifestyle. Being illegal would provide some advantage possibly, but the meth heads also live that way. It is easier enforcing laws on people who tend to obey them and have things they don't want to lose.
Posted by: DonS at August 26, 2015 06:51 PM (Q2pWM)
Posted by: scrood at August 26, 2015 06:52 PM (3b9U4)
"I might agree to open borders if we discussed it, and a majority of people agreed to it. Trouble is the border is only open 1 way... try going to mexico to live and work and use public resources... "
Bad idea. American success is rooted in culture, and that success will call to those from less succesful countries. So there will be a net influx as there is now, and that influx will push for La Puebla (collectivism).
Posted by: DonS at August 26, 2015 06:54 PM (Q2pWM)
Posted by: Notsothoreau at August 26, 2015 07:11 PM (Lqy/e)
I hear about the support for Trump on the Internet but I have yet to encounter anyone in real life who actually supports him. They like some of what he says, like it a lot, but they don't like him. More significantly, they don't trust him.. Increasingly they seem some of the one line voices screeching about how wonderful Trump is as being the 2016 version of Ron Paul Nation.
Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at August 26, 2015 07:27 PM (lN30+)
The political and economic elite don't want an open border anymore than Joe 6 pack, they want a border they can control because it allows them to game the immigration system for the corporatists that line their pockets. An open border would actually benefit Joe 6 pack and hurt the corporatists, but it'll never happen because people are too wrapped up in nationalism.
Posted by: All Teh Meh at August 26, 2015 08:01 PM (VviqM)
Posted by: ChicagoRefugee at August 26, 2015 08:07 PM (Q8LpI)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at August 26, 2015 08:46 PM (wKc1L)
Posted by: concealedkerry or submitt at August 26, 2015 08:54 PM (kHv/o)
This is not a conventional political movement; this is a bunch of betrayed people jumping on a chance to send a real message and do some serious damage to the concept of "politics as usual".
Trump is a deeply flawed candidate from a serious conservative standpoint, but in this unusual situation, that's also one of his strengths. Drag a skeleton out of Trump's closet, and people like me will shrug and say, "Yeah, that doesn't exactly surprise me," and they'll just keep on Trumpin'.
It's not based on admiration for someone who appears to be an upstanding pillar of the community. It's not about ideology. It's about "us vs. them", and all the GOPe really accomplishes with their attacks on Trump (and, often, Trump's followers as well) is to reinforce that sense that Trump is "us" and not "them".
Hell, pretty much all the polls these days have Trump, Fiorina and Carson in the top five. Not one of those three has held political office before. "Us" and "them", indeed.
Even worse for the GOPe, their candidates can't use the tactic of co-opting Trump's more popular positions to dilute his support and steer folks toward someone "more electable", because we just don't trust them anymore.
The only way they're going to keep Trump from being the Republican nominee is by outright cheating in the primaries. They will do it. They've done it before. This is why they're suddenly so gung-ho on trying to force Trump to take a loyalty oath, and it's exactly why he should continue to refuse to take such an oath. His threat to go third-party is the only thing holding them back from pulling out all the stops to shut him out of the process entirely.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at August 26, 2015 09:29 PM (wKc1L)
Bwahahahaha.
Are any of you in the UK? Someone bet $100 for me Jeb Bush kicks an Asian reporter out of a press conference next week.
Posted by: Severely Conservative at August 26, 2015 09:38 PM (p6UPL)
Ah the old he attacked a widow line?? Eh?
TDS is causing GOPe pundits to bring out the widow in a wheelchair off a cliff bullshit yet again.
And of course, only fucking RINOs will attack OTHER REPUBLICANS with such tactics. Never, ever use it against the dems.
Posted by: prescient11 at August 26, 2015 06:22 PM (q5APL)
That's right, call me names and tell me I'm a RINO because I happen to point out facts, like the fact that he is a serial eminent domain abuser. The story about the widow isn't some Democrap TV ad.
http://tinyurl.com/nuarg52
And note that Trump was unapologetic. He said in an interview with Niel Cavuto that he agreed with Kelo vs. New London "100%." If you like Kelo, you can turn in your conservative card to me, please.
Yeah, this is your big conservative hero of the middle class.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 26, 2015 10:07 PM (laMCB)
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