Frank Luntz on the Hatred of the Establishment Revealed by a Pro-Trump Focus Group: "This is real. I'm having trouble processing it. Like, my legs are shaking."

I'm shocked that he's shocked, and I do not mean that as a joke.

He is a professional. He is a focus-grouper and high consultant. I imagine he reads a lot of polls too, and probably runs some.

And yet he didn't know the anger brewing at the Establishment.

I am truly shocked.

No matter how low my estimations of our political class, they keep failing to meet my expectations.

I complained on Friday that the vaunted consultant class does not know the most elemental things about the "constituency" they're paid to advise clients about. I put "constituency" in quotes because it's quite plain they do not consider the actual grassroots voter as their constituency. In fact, they do not consider them at all.

I have previously said -- and I've said this a dozen times before, especially in the 2007 amnesty fight -- that the Establishment in DC, paid millions and feted as gurus of the political pulse of the nation -- knows far, far less than the base than the average low-level blogger who bothers to read his comments and talk with them.

By the way, of course: That's expressly the reason Andrew Breitbart read the comments, especially here. Well, one reason was that he simply enjoyed them. But the other reason, he told me, was to figure out where people, as a mass, were on issues, where their passion was, where they were going.

You would think that these well-paid consultants, claiming the ability to channel the sentiments of the party, would do this very most basic sort of research into the national mood.

It's all open source, assholes. You don't have to pay a dime to do what Breitbart used to, which is to use some program to suck up all comments into a file so he could read them when he didn't have the internet (on a plane, etc.)

But no -- High Guru Frank Luntz is shocked to the point of his legs shaking as the world reels beneath his feet to discover the grassroots really, really despises the Establishment, and no longer trusts them, and in fact considers them political enemies in the same way they consider the Democrats to be political enemies.

This is news to them.

Good work, assholes.

You're the Smart Ones, right? The "political elite" who employ all sorts of sophisticated and cunning techniques to divine the national mood, huh?

Did you ever think to ask them, Geniuses?

"You guys understand how significant this is?" Luntz asked the press breathlessly when he came back into the room behind the glass. "This is real. I'm having trouble processing it. Like, my legs are shaking."
"I want to put the Republican leadership behind this mirror and let them see. They need to wake up. They don’t realize how the grassroots have abandoned them," Luntz continued. "Donald Trump is punishment to a Republican elite that wasn't listening to their grassroots."

He's shocked to learn this! This is only said 50 times in any thread about Trump!

The group said Trump has their best interests in mind, while other Republicans are looking out for themselves. "We've got to show the Republicans that we've had it with them, that we will not be there every single time. They treat us like crap and they lie to us and promise us things and then they expect us to vote again," said a Republican woman....

Much of Trump’s support in the room seemed to stem from a weakness in the Republican party. The 2014 midterms did not usher in the conservative renaissance Republicans expected. Obamacare has still not been repealed, Congress is looking less likely to override a veto on the Iran deal, and there are still 11 million illegal immigrants in the United States.
The group of 29 went around the room, each supplying a single adjective for the legislative body that let them down after the 2014 elections. Congress "does nothing." It's "too old." "Useless." "Lame." "Inept." "Wrong party." "Cocktail party." "Gridlock." "Costly. "Sold out." "Sucks." "Douchebags."

The political class is useless and must be swept away, completely. Not only do they have an agenda contrary to most of the voters' interests, but even when it comes to the thing they're supposed to be good at, be experts at, they're totally incompetent and in fact absolutely pathetic.

I'll give Trump this much: He is right to call them "morons." They should be called what they are. They are failures, they are incompetent, and they're a disaster.

I'm sure they'll "hit all their numbers," though.

Posted by: Ace at 04:28 PM

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1 I think frank is gonna shart himself

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 25, 2015 04:30 PM (Ii765)

2 I read something like this before, somewhere.

Posted by: blaster at August 25, 2015 04:30 PM (EMtSF)

3 "Donald Trump is punishment to a Republican elite that wasn't listening to their grassroots."

Fuck you Luntz. And everyone who ever hired you should ask for a refund if you are only JUST NOW realizing this.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 04:30 PM (AkOaV)

4 Is this like a reverse tingles?

Posted by: Bosk at August 25, 2015 04:31 PM (n2K+4)

5
Alternate post title:

Frank Luntz: I Am Terrible At My Job And No One Should Ever Hire Me

Posted by: Soothie at August 25, 2015 04:32 PM (3+2fD)

6 Penn & Teller on Luntz:

http://tinyurl.com/q4ene2u

Notice what his "fans" in the car say. Hilarious.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 04:32 PM (AkOaV)

7 >>>They are failures, they are incompetent, and they're a disaster.

And slobs and losers.

Posted by: rdbrewer at August 25, 2015 04:32 PM (Iyg03)

8 So, Frank Lutz has epiphany that Trump = SMOD candidate in human form. Wowzer!

Posted by: Yip at August 25, 2015 04:33 PM (e7T6D)

9 Luntz is a fag and his shit's all fucked up.

Posted by: Bosk at August 25, 2015 04:33 PM (n2K+4)

10 Great post and great take on the Luntz/Establishment ceaselessness.

I have voted only GOP since the mid-80's and I HAVE HAD IT WITH THEM!

Posted by: aquaviva at August 25, 2015 04:33 PM (PXlKS)

11 No, seriously, watch this penn and teller video on Luntz, and hear LUNTZ describe his job.

Then remind me why anyone takes this assclown seriously.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 04:34 PM (AkOaV)

12 Did Luntz just find AOSHQ?

Posted by: blaster at August 25, 2015 04:34 PM (EMtSF)

13 Welcome to reality, Luntz.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at August 25, 2015 04:34 PM (q20+R)

14 Corgis called

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2015 04:34 PM (k+zgr)

15 You suppress a Tea Party, you get a Trump.

This is NOT A MYSTERY.

Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 04:34 PM (JvPqF)

16 On the other hand, I'm having thoughts about the day, somewhere in the hopefully near future, when people like Boehner, McConnell, Jeb Bush, and a cast of thousands on K Street wake up from their slumber and realize the degree to which the rank-and-file loathe them as a class. It would be like a day of reckoning.

"Oh, my God! The voters really, really hate us!"

When that day comes, I'm buying the first round.

Posted by: Qoheleth at August 25, 2015 04:34 PM (iIzG7)

17 "Douchebags". Someone called them douchebags. Nice.

Posted by: spongeworthy at August 25, 2015 04:34 PM (fG/C+)

18 ♫ Shakin' All Over ♫

Posted by: Frank Luntz and the Dunces at August 25, 2015 04:34 PM (W5DcG)

19
Trump rightly called Luntz a "low class slob."

Posted by: Soothie at August 25, 2015 04:34 PM (3+2fD)

20 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at August 25, 2015 04:35 PM (W6iIX)

21 >>Congress "does nothing." It's "too old." "Useless." "Lame." "Inept." "Wrong party." "Cocktail party." "Gridlock." "Costly. "Sold out." "Sucks." "Douchebags."

Any random threat here.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 25, 2015 04:35 PM (OGm46)

22 Luntz gets paid by the establishment. He lives in their bubble. His focus groups all emanate from that perspective.

It's like the Bobs in OFFICE SPACE. They offer a profit-sharing plan, Peter brushes it off, but they take it as confirmation.

The establishment offers a few trinkets, get brushed off, and think they've found the shiny thing to win over the base when they're ignoring the shitty work environment.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 25, 2015 04:35 PM (oVJmc)

23 Look, really, we just need MOAR GOP Senate seats ya'll..... THEN we'll start fightin'..... seriously..... ferocious and shit... scary-angry .... hills to die on as far as the eye can see.... We wouldn't lie this time.... that's all behind us. Honest!

Posted by: GOPe at August 25, 2015 04:35 PM (e7T6D)

24 'They don't realize how the grassroots have abandoned them', Luntz'

They abandoned us. Fvck them.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at August 25, 2015 04:36 PM (/Ho8c)

25 They don't realize how the grassroots have abandoned them

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He got that backwards but what are you gonna do?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 25, 2015 04:36 PM (XUKZU)

26 I am somewhat heartened that "cocktail party" was among the complaints. I didn't know it was widespread enough.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 25, 2015 04:36 PM (2lndx)

27 At least the illegal immigrant numbers are decreasing.

Hey assholes! Stop. Fucking. Lying. To. Us!

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 25, 2015 04:36 PM (2HloJ)

28 I read the comments at Politico and The Hill occasionally. Hard to do more than that between synergy workgroups and cocktail parties.

Posted by: Consultant Class at August 25, 2015 04:36 PM (qB3Ky)

29 "They don't realize how the grassroots have abandoned them"

Luntz' comment embodies the problem -- it automatically aligns to the perspective of a DC consultant. He still doesn't get the essential point:

IT'S NOT THE GRASSROOTS' JOB NOT TO ABANDON THE GOP, IT'S THE GOP'S JOB NOT TO ABANDON THE GRASSROOTS.

Posted by: craig at August 25, 2015 04:36 PM (0z08Y)

30 "And yet he didn't know the anger brewing at the Establishment."

I'm looking forward to slapping on the bumper sticker that reads,

"TRUMP 2016. BECAUSE FUCK YOU, THAT'S WHY."

Posted by: torquewrench at August 25, 2015 04:36 PM (noWW6)

31 This is why Cruz is #2. He understands the people's anger at the party. He saw how so many stayed home in 2012. It should've been a lay-up for Romney.

Trump is #1 because of name recognition, and the fact that the party hasn't had 2 years to trash him like they've done to Cruz.

Posted by: Iblis at August 25, 2015 04:36 PM (9221z)

32 Insane Trump Posse and his Trumpalos.

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 25, 2015 04:36 PM (zoyKY)

33 I think Trump is rubbing off on everyone though.

I just told my mailbox that it's weak and then screamed at the lawn.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 25, 2015 04:37 PM (oFCZn)

34 It's because they live in a rarified atmosphere where they makes lots ands lots of of money and where they only talk to and associate with people who agree with them.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 25, 2015 04:37 PM (OSs/l)

35 I complained on Friday that the vaunted consultant class does not know the most elemental things about the "constituency" they're paid to advise clients about. I put "constituency" in quotes because it's quite plain they do not consider the actual grassroots voter as their constituency. In fact, they do not consider them at all.

It's arrogance.

When you get past a certain tax bracket, no one else is real to you.

If you came from a lower bracket and worked your way up with a lot of hard work, you can get it (or if you live outside the beltway of gold), but not these clowns graduating from a school that slips you right into the higher tax bracket. The bracket of arrogance.

Of course, if you employ people, you can also feel it and see it every day if you pay attention.

It's the stratosphere of arrogance that never touched foot below it.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2015 04:37 PM (qCMvj)

36 >>>>And yet he didn't know the anger brewing at the Establishment.
.
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.There is an extremely simple explanation for this. No one wanted to ask or listen to the answer. They just didn't want to hear it.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 25, 2015 04:37 PM (iONHu)

37 Where's the "You had one job" meme pics?

Posted by: Iblis at August 25, 2015 04:37 PM (9221z)

38 They are failures, they are incompetent, and they're a disaster.

Nonsense. They are accomplished wormtongues for the GOPe. They pocket money and attention no matter how badly their predictions or consultations turn out.

#ProFiT! as a certain BOViating commenter might put it.

And the US is still swirls the giant porcelain throne of history.

Posted by: Log by Blammo! at August 25, 2015 04:37 PM (Ck8hC)

39 Surprisingly applies in this situation.
On one of the last episodes of "Mad Men" Meghan said to Don Draper, "You're an aging, sloppy liar."

How the hell can Luntz be surprised at this. We gave the Republicans congress and they don't stand up to that azzhole in the white house on anything.

People like Trump because he says what he thinks, rather than getting down on his knees and fellating Obama and the democrats. That's why he's as popular he is. All McCain did during his presidential campaign was to apologize. He spent half his campaign on his f**king knees. We're fed up with these weak kneed losers.

Posted by: nerdygirl at August 25, 2015 04:38 PM (+lVUW)

40 It's the stratosphere of arrogance that never touched foot below it.

I like that phrase. Very good.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 25, 2015 04:38 PM (OSs/l)

41 Where's the "You had one job" meme pics?
Posted by: Iblis at August 25, 2015 04:37 PM (9221z)

Luntzie, you had One Job . . .

Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 04:39 PM (JvPqF)

42 He is a professional. He is a focus-grouper and high consultant.

--You'd have to be a high consultant to think Jeb! wins the White House.

Posted by: logprof, Amazonian at August 25, 2015 04:39 PM (vsbNu)

43 >>>.There is an extremely simple explanation for this. No one wanted to ask or listen to the answer. They just didn't want to hear it.

that's the only thing I can think of.

Seriously. I know there are people paid to, say, monitor this site a bit. (I've met them.)

So somewhere in the Consultant Class, there are people being paid to see what the "buzz" is.

but apparently they just don't want to read the reports.

(Also, I think the reports should be focused on the comments, not the blogger, and I say that not out of false modesty, but because one dude is just one dude, but a mass of commenters is more like a focus group -- maybe a big focus group.)

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 04:39 PM (dciA+)

44 This is why I'm OK with Trump doing pretty much anything at this point.

He's flipping the apple cart and shifting the Overton window on issues that the base has been told for years that The Science Is Settled And You Should Just Move On And Also Keep Donating, What Are You, A Racist?!

He's the lady with the sledgehammer in that old Apple 1984 ad. What will happen under a Trump presidency? I don't know! I don't think anyone knows! But I have full confidence that it would not be demonstrably worse than a country headed up by Clinton, Sanders, ¡Jeb!, or almost any other current candidate.

A country where we kick our enemies square in the junk when challenged instead of bowing our heads and offering The Eternal Apology sounds a lot more fun and (dare I say) inspiring versus the warmed-over garbage smoothies we've been forced to drink for the last seven Presidential election cycles.

If the Trump candidacy ends up uniting the GOPe and the Democrats in an effort to destroy him, all the better. Many of us have known for years that Washington holds us in open contempt - turning the guns on Trump will ensure that Trump broadcasts that fact plainly to the nation, from the LIVs all the way to the Smart Set.

Posted by: Make America Mexico Again at August 25, 2015 04:40 PM (8OCX3)

45 More Schadenboner: It's blue on blue, or blue on green, or green on blue. Greenpeace workers on strike over labor conditions. See WZ.

They're all red to me.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 25, 2015 04:40 PM (XUKZU)

46 It's also a pathetic commentary that Luntz is way ahead of the curve compared to his fellow "professional experts" in figuring this out.

Posted by: gwelf at August 25, 2015 04:40 PM (TJ8HB)

47 There is an extremely simple explanation for this. No one wanted to ask or listen to the answer. They just didn't want to hear it.
Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 25, 2015 04:37 PM (iONHu)

No. Worse.

They think they already know the answer, so they don't even conceptualize the very need to ask.

Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 04:40 PM (JvPqF)

48 knows far, far less than the base than the average low-level blogger who bothers to read his comments and talk with them.

Yep, I've thought about this a lot on this site. Where else do you really get good back and forth and an honesty of views.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2015 04:40 PM (qCMvj)

49 The Establishment, including assholes like Luntz, live together, eat together, talk the same, went to the same schools, vacation together and never never come into contact with the little people. It's an echo chamber

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 04:40 PM (DUoqb)

50 Sounds like Luntz finally got a focus group that wasn't trying to show themselves in the best light, i.e. kiss his ass.

Good for them.

Posted by: Jeanne of the Great White North at August 25, 2015 04:40 PM (hbtdz)

51 *Wanders back in. Jumps down into foxhole*

Okie Dokie... You may fire when ready, Gridley.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at August 25, 2015 04:40 PM (yMVjf)

52
I keep on thinking how I wished the GOP would implode so it could be replaced, I never dreamed it could happen this quick (remains to be seen) and that it would come in the form of a northeastern liberal billionaire like Trump.

Now as has been indicated we will have to be in a political wasteland for 12 years and live with a prez hillary or biden, but we're kinda boned with the debt anyway.

Posted by: Muzzie jihadis at August 25, 2015 04:41 PM (ODxAs)

53 If only we rubes could have such jobs where we could remain clueless failures and continue to make major dough.

Wow, what a clueless idjit.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at August 25, 2015 04:41 PM (+wjl1)

54 There are none so blind as he who is a douchebag.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 25, 2015 04:41 PM (XUKZU)

55 Bu', bu', but we've done everything that the CoC and our friends in the Democrat Party have told us to do......?

Posted by: Johnny (Cheeto) Boner at August 25, 2015 04:41 PM (LA7Cm)

56 >>There is an extremely simple explanation for this. No one wanted to ask or listen to the answer. They just didn't want to hear it.

Anyone who has ever worked for a hammerhead boss knows this. Once they get to a certain level they believe their own bullshit and think anyone below them is not worth listening to or they wouldn't be below.

The consultant class is just a bunch of professional yes men.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 25, 2015 04:42 PM (OGm46)

57 48% I'd like to introduce you to the 52%. I think you guys have more in common than you think.

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 25, 2015 04:42 PM (zoyKY)

58
Christie had it in 2008, Paul Ryan Had it in 2009, Rubio in 2010- all sold out to the establisment and are done. If any of these guys had stuck to their guns they would be running away with this.Now we have Trump

Posted by: Ivana at August 25, 2015 04:42 PM (u32s7)

59 If only we rubes could have such jobs where we could remain clueless failures and continue to make major dough.

Wow, what a clueless idjit.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at August 25, 2015 04:41 PM (+wjl1)

"It's not what you know, it's who you know."

"Same as it ever was."

Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 04:42 PM (JvPqF)

60 I think you're reading this incorrectly. The GOPe knows exactly what is going on, the mutual contempt between themselves and the base, grassroots or whatever we are called today. But acknowledging the facts never fed a hungry rent-seeking lobbyist, so, the Consultant Class is paid to tell everyone in the GOPe to ignore the right wing fringe and believe in America! (the Chamber of Commerce). Keep reinforcing the narrative so that no one has to deal with the dirty reality that the Beltway Elites are one party and the conservative base knows they've been sold down the river. "This is my shocked face" garbage from Luntz the c*ntz is just part of the play acting hypocrisy they've all been paid to perform.

Posted by: LiveFromRussianHill at August 25, 2015 04:42 PM (LHLRD)

61 He's shocked to learn this! This is only said 50 times in any thread about Trump!

lol

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2015 04:42 PM (qCMvj)

62 49 The Establishment, including assholes like Luntz, live together, eat together, talk the same, went to the same schools, vacation together and never never come into contact with the little people. It's an echo chamber
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 04:40 PM (DUoqb)

*sends up green starcluster*

^^^^^!

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at August 25, 2015 04:42 PM (yMVjf)

63 You would think that these well-paid consultants, claiming the ability to channel the sentiments of the party, would do this very most basic sort of research into the national mood.

Do you think they really care though?

I mean, they have their big-money donors. They get their $$. They expect the proles to fall in line like they do every election and pull that R lever. And if they don't, they have the proles as a fall-guy when they lose. "Oh look, it's just all those redneck, rabble-rousing wackobirds again."

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at August 25, 2015 04:43 PM (q20+R)

64 Everyone can see the media is constantly lying about Trump.

Unfortunately Ace is now in the same category with his most recent post on the subject.

Ace told his readers that Trump was a little baby for trashing Megan Kelly again.

But Ace lied to his readers by omitting the fact that Kelly devoted the first part of her show to trashing Trump and goading her two establishment guests into doing the same.

It was retaliation, but Ace lied to his readers and made it sound totally unprovoked.

I'm not a Trump voter now, but I could be...

Posted by: Village Idiot at August 25, 2015 04:43 PM (bf86X)

65 by the way, which one of you morons snuck on to Luntz's panel and called Congress douchebags?

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 04:43 PM (AkOaV)

66 Of course we all know that Trump is probably not the answer. But another thing that this reveals is that the people who are pissed - we the people - haven't even the iota of confidence left in the political system to consider that from the rest of the field, there may be the answer.

So utterly fed up are the "constituents" that - and I don't mean this to denigrate him - they will consider a showman, practically a carnival barker, as preferable to the rest of the field.

This makes me a tintsy bit uneasy. Not enough not to vote for Trump if he is nominated.

Posted by: Semper In Stercus at August 25, 2015 04:43 PM (BZAd3)

67 "I'm shocked that he's shocked, and I do not mean that as a joke."

You should not be.

I have still to meet anyone says they would vote for Bush.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 25, 2015 04:43 PM (NaeCR)

68 Stuart, Bourbon, Romanov - the Establishment is always the last to know when the populace is fed up.

But I always know.

Posted by: Josef "Last Man Standing" Stalin at August 25, 2015 04:44 PM (hLRSq)

69 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 25, 2015 04:44 PM (kff5f)

70 Trump is #1 because of name recognition, and the fact that the party hasn't had 2 years to trash him like they've done to Cruz.

Posted by: Iblis

The GOPe couldn't get Cruz to completely join in on they're standard policy of once in office, forget all that shit you said you'd do... we'll tell you what's important.

I don't think Trump is polling high on name... no.... it's the fucking wall. We've been talking about a fucking wall at the Mexico border for 20 years. I remember buying bricks to send to my Senators back in the day. We ended up with a bill and funding and Kay f'ing Hutchinson, Senator from TX ( surely at the behest of the machine) put an late night amendment in that stripped the mandate and left it up to DHS to decide if they wanted to build jack squat. Nice subterfuge. The serfs were not amused. It's the wall. It's anchor babies. It's about the rule of LAW and it either means something or it doesn't.

Posted by: Yip at August 25, 2015 04:44 PM (e7T6D)

71 The group of 29 went around the room, each supplying a single adjective for the legislative body that let them down after the 2014 elections. Congress "does nothing." It's "too old." "Useless." "Lame." "Inept." "Wrong party." "Cocktail party." "Gridlock." "Costly. "Sold out." "Sucks." "Douchebags."

They forgot "Orange Drunk"

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2015 04:44 PM (qCMvj)

72 From the linked article:

"The crowd in the room was angriest about national security."

Hmm. I wonder why this could POSSIBLY be, given the paradise on Earth brought on by the Styrofoam Column Presidency of Barack H. Obama?

Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 04:44 PM (JvPqF)

73 "You'd have to be a high consultant to think Jeb! wins the White House."

*Rimshot!*

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 25, 2015 04:44 PM (LA7Cm)

74 From the Telegraph 4/16/2014:

"The US government does not represent the interests of the majority of the country's citizens, but is instead ruled by those of the rich and powerful, a new study from Princeton and Northwestern Universities has concluded."

Posted by: boniface ballers at August 25, 2015 04:44 PM (m/Gc2)

75 LUNTZ.

That is all.

Posted by: @PeeteySDee at August 25, 2015 04:44 PM (cr+/b)

76 The political class is useless and must be swept away, completely. Not only do they have an agenda contrary to most of the voters' interests, but even when it comes to the thing they're supposed to be good at, be experts at, they're totally incompetent and in fact absolutely pathetic.

They are set for life. There is nothing they need, or have lost.

Why would they care.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2015 04:45 PM (qCMvj)

77 I'm shocked that he's shocked, and I do not mean that as a joke.

Perhaps he simply isn't that bright.

Posted by: eleven at August 25, 2015 04:45 PM (MDgS8)

78 They don't realize how the grassroots have abandoned them.

Pretty sure that's exactly backwards.

Let me repeat what I was told by Mommy on Friday night. She asked what I thought of Trump and I said nicely that he's a blowhard and hey what about Jindal and Carly and she liked them too but she was voting for Trump because he fights and he cares about illegals.

And then Mommy nearly made me spew water everywhere. Mommy does not swear. Mommy gets mad when people say damn on tv. Mommy has never voted Democrat in her life. She said the main reason she was voting for Trump is because the Republicans promised to do all the important things if they got control and she believed them and then the did nothing and they are "full of shit" and I nearly fell over.

Congrats GOP! You made Mommy swear!

If you've lost Mommy? You're so fucked. So utterly fucked.

Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at August 25, 2015 04:45 PM (mf5HN)

79 Not surprisingly, not one of the vaunted high consultants of which you speak will ever realize they don't know shit.

Posted by: Semper In Stercus at August 25, 2015 04:45 PM (BZAd3)

80 off stupid socks

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 25, 2015 04:45 PM (ODxAs)

81 That's right Polynikes you tell em!!!!

Posted by: Consultant Class at August 25, 2015 04:45 PM (qB3Ky)

82 by the way, which one of you morons snuck on to Luntz's panel and called Congress douchebags?
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 04:43 PM (AkOaV)

I'd have used a much stronger expletive.

Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 04:45 PM (JvPqF)

83
By the way, of course: That's expressly the reason Andrew Breitbart read the comments, especially here.

Teh Ewok is so cute when he gets annoyed remembering that Breitbart quip.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 25, 2015 04:45 PM (TAzkM)

84 "I have still to meet anyone says they would vote for Bush."

I know a few. The problem is they're all registered Democrats who hate Clinton, Sanders, Warren, O'Malley, and Biden. I find myself wondering how large that group is.

Posted by: Qoheleth at August 25, 2015 04:45 PM (iIzG7)

85 These are NOT Luntz's dunces.

Posted by: Bosk at August 25, 2015 04:45 PM (n2K+4)

86 "Posted by: Village Idiot at August 25, 2015 04:43 PM (bf86X)"

This could cause confusion.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 25, 2015 04:45 PM (VPLuQ)

87 Luntz finds out what the realz is from the person working the drive thru when he's ordering 10 double cheeseburgers at Burger King.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 25, 2015 04:46 PM (oFCZn)

88 Hard to believe they're that goddamn clueless.

Boggles the mind.

Posted by: Sixkiller at August 25, 2015 04:46 PM (hRytD)

89 Frank Luntz: I Am Terrible At My Job And No One Should Ever Hire Me

Seriously.

Posted by: Lea at August 25, 2015 04:46 PM (lIU4e)

90 Christie had it in 2008, Paul Ryan Had it in 2009, Rubio in 2010- all sold out to the establisment and are done. If any of these guys had stuck to their guns they would be running away with this.Now we have Trump
Posted by: Ivana at August 25, 2015 04:42 PM (u32s7)

None of those fucksticks have the guts. Krispy is a fucking blowhard POS.

...and none of their major funders would have any of that.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at August 25, 2015 04:46 PM (yMVjf)

91 Was this another new york focus group? I would like to see him do one in say Texas.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 25, 2015 04:46 PM (Ii765)

92 So I guess that Boehner and McConnell have murdered the GOP's chances at the Presidency. I'll bet they are not the least bit concerned about it.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 25, 2015 04:46 PM (evdj2)

93 Had Romney tried to get my vote, instead of pandering to liberals and minorities who were not going to vote for him anyway, me and the million conservatives who sat home or voted third party might have made him president.

Posted by: Valiant at August 25, 2015 04:47 PM (2bqlb)

94 Luntz epitomizes the stupidity of republicans.

Democrats have Stephanie Cutters. Republicans have slovenly-dressed dim-wits.

Posted by: Ever at August 25, 2015 04:47 PM (QZdJj)

95
you don't have to deport them.
Stop them from working and earning*** any money and they will go someplace else

****because hiring someone who can not work in the USA legally is a crime-

Posted by: Yo! at August 25, 2015 04:47 PM (W6iIX)

96 Well, ace they just won't give it up, see VIA's rant.

It all you fault for questioning the The King!

How dare you. Don't you know Trump is RICH. I mean RICH baby.

No helicopter ride for ace.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 04:47 PM (0FSuD)

97 WHO REPLACED MY FOCUS GROUP!!!1111!!!!!

Posted by: fRaNk lUtZ!!!11111 at August 25, 2015 04:47 PM (yMVjf)

98 Posted by: Village Idiot at August 25, 2015 04:43 PM (bf86X)

I think you've misinterpreted what ace was saying.

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 25, 2015 04:47 PM (zoyKY)

99 "I just told my mailbox that it's weak and then screamed at the lawn."

Hehehehe.......

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 25, 2015 04:47 PM (LA7Cm)

100 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 25, 2015 04:48 PM (kff5f)

101 "Well, ace they just won't give it up, see VIA's rant."

????

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 25, 2015 04:48 PM (VPLuQ)

102 All of this could have been avoided if the GOP ran a reform-mouthing pseudo-populist in 2012, BUT OOOOOOOOH NOOOOOO!

They know best. They are my betters. Because they tell me so.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 25, 2015 04:48 PM (Ck8hC)

103 Frank Luntz: I Am Terrible At My Job And No One Should Ever Hire Me

Posted by: Soothie at August 25, 2015 04:32 PM (3+2fD)

No one should hire him because he's a fat obnoxious pompous asshole

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 04:48 PM (0FSuD)

104 My "Liberal" associates...see I did not say friends, since I have no liberal friends...think I would like Bush and Rubio. They have NO fuckin clue how us real Conservatives think. They really live in an alternative universe. A Bizzaro World

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 04:48 PM (DUoqb)

105 "Luntz finds out what the realz is from the person working the drive thru when he's ordering 10 double cheeseburgers at Burger King."......And 15 dollar minimum wage seems to be the biggest concern of the focus group. What can the Republicans do to win over the base?

Posted by: Bosk at August 25, 2015 04:48 PM (n2K+4)

106 aos commenters:

a big focus group horde full of low thinking morons.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 04:48 PM (AkOaV)

107 You want to know what I find most objectionable about Luntz's apparent stupidity? That he draws the COMPLETELY WRONG CONCLUSION from what he's just heard.

"I want to put the Republican leadership behind this mirror and let them
see. They need to wake up. They don't realize how the grassroots have
abandoned them," Luntz continued.

How the grassroots have abandoned THEM.

Let that sink in.

This typifies why Luntz and other Establishmentarian pundits and shills cannot and will not ever understand the grassroots. To them, the grassroots are SUPPOSED to fall in line; are SUPPOSED to listen to their "betters." When the grassroots don't do what they're SUPPOSED to do, it's not because the establishment failed them; it's because THEY failed the establishment.

Sounds kind of like Obama, doesn't it? We're always failing him, too.

Fuck you, Luntz.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at August 25, 2015 04:48 PM (4df7R)

108 "Like, my legs are shaking."

A valley girl experiencing an intense orgasm?

Posted by: Titanium at August 25, 2015 04:48 PM (oDFTq)

109 Ace: "The political class is useless and must be swept away, completely."

Duck: "if you're on the right but too 'respectable' to ever link to Steve Sailer, you're the #cuckservative problem"

http://tinyurl.com/replytoace

Posted by: chedolf at August 25, 2015 04:49 PM (ZtPHO)

110 No helicopter ride for ace.
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 04:47 PM (0FSuD)

Relegated to the 757. The humanity.

Posted by: Semper In Stercus at August 25, 2015 04:49 PM (BZAd3)

111 Ace at least you are staying pissed. The base is leaving the republican establishment in the dust. We simply won't fund or support them anymore.

Seriously. I know there are people paid to, say, monitor this site a bit. (I've met them.)

Here in is the deal on that. It is the same couple to three dozen posters who own the comments. I think they know that.

Stay mad.

Posted by: just saying at August 25, 2015 04:49 PM (g0hKk)

112 and so it begins

Posted by: that guy that always thinks it's beginning at August 25, 2015 04:49 PM (evdj2)

113 Did Luntz just find AOSHQ?

Are you crazy? He'd go catatonic if he read the comments here.

Seriously, it's as if basic cause and effect is an utterly alien concept to this band of idiots.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 25, 2015 04:49 PM (9krrF)

114 Doesn't Frank live and work in the Manhattan bubble? This would explain his other worldly reaction to humans called Americans.

Posted by: Toby Miles at August 25, 2015 04:49 PM (oDCMR)

115 village idiot,

you've named yourself well.

I see that you're still down with the personal invective against anyone who criticizes Your Brand New Most Favorite Hero, too.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 04:49 PM (dciA+)

116 We've replaces Luntz's Dunces with Folger's Crystals. Let's watch.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 25, 2015 04:49 PM (oVJmc)

117 This was probably in your queue, but in case you were clued in by these posts
h/t to

98ZJUSMC
http://acecomments.mu.nu/?blog=86post=358676#c24099389

which I followed to the source.
rebel flounder
http://acecomments.mu.nu/?blog=86post=358676#c24099599

Posted by: rebel flounder at August 25, 2015 04:49 PM (Vf5rR)

118 I'm slowly coming around, I could easily be convinced to get my pitchfork, which recently has a new extra long handle. No really I use it in my compost pile.

Posted by: Skip at August 25, 2015 04:50 PM (PePrC)

119 A question to (quite possibly) scare the fecal matter out of everybody:

If the establishment manages to demonize/turn back Trump, what happens to the anger level of the people then?

(Obligatory caveat: I am NOT a Trumpy. Do not want. But given the choice of hemlock, a pit of poisonous snakes, or Trump, I might give a moment's thought to the guy before choosing.)

Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 04:50 PM (JvPqF)

120 me and the million conservatives who sat home or voted third party might have made him president

Probably not, he needed about five million. (Give or take, due to the electoral system.)

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 25, 2015 04:50 PM (2lndx)

121 Posted by: Valiant at August 25, 2015 04:47 PM (2bqlb)

What the fuck are you talking about? Romney's immigration position was such that it was called malicious by Trump. The criticism of Romney by the Right was he was just talking conservative but that he really didn't mean it. He did not pander to any group and in fact was bashed for his statement that 47% of the citizenry were Takers.

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 25, 2015 04:51 PM (zoyKY)

122 That's why it's important to get behind Trump no mattr want because let's just say he gets swept away what the hell are we going to be left with?

I love Ted Cruz and Walker but ain't nobody crossing over party lines to vote for them.

Trumps positioning himself as more than just a GOP candidate he is triangulating the hell out of this race for Presidency.

We haven't had a GOP candidate that was appealing to blue collar working stiffs since Reagan.

I keep harping on it but when you can get slashdotters to agree with you as a GOP Presidential candidate, you're doing something right.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 25, 2015 04:51 PM (eDW1j)

123 I'm bitterly clinging to my supplies of tar, feathers and my brand new guillotine.

From me, obviously, the political establishment has nothing to be concerned about; other people though are really angry.

Posted by: MTF at August 25, 2015 04:51 PM (LISuA)

124 If you've lost Mommy? You're so fucked. So utterly fucked.

Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at August 25, 2015 04:45 PM (mf5HN)

My mom and dad grew up in Democrat controlled Texas. Back then, they would vote in the Democrat primary "to try to make sure the least objectionable Democrat was elected" and vote Republican in the Primary "Because you never knew your luck."

The Republicans have lost both of them, and are losing many more of their generation in Texas.

You want to turn Texas Blue? Let the Republicans keep doing what they're doing.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 25, 2015 04:51 PM (kff5f)

125 That's a hell of a job you're doing there, Boehnie!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 25, 2015 04:51 PM (8ZskC)

126 Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at August 25, 2015 04:45 PM (mf5HN)

Without even knowing her, I like your mom. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 25, 2015 04:51 PM (OSs/l)

127
aos commenters:

a big focus group horde full of low thinking morons.

Posted by: mynewhandle

You forgot "crude".

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at August 25, 2015 04:51 PM (/Ho8c)

128 What happened?

Easy, GOPe taunted happy fun ball.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 25, 2015 04:51 PM (oFCZn)

129 More like Frank Lulz, amirite?

Posted by: Bosk at August 25, 2015 04:51 PM (n2K+4)

130 It's not just Luntz. Most of the commentators on Fox and all other things that pass for Networks think that the Boner and the Senile old Bastard from AZ represent Republican thinking.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 04:51 PM (DUoqb)

131 104 My "Liberal" associates...see I did not say friends, since I have no liberal friends...think I would like Bush and Rubio. They have NO fuckin clue how us real Conservatives think. They really live in an alternative universe. A Bizzaro World
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 04:48 PM (DUoqb)

They construct a caricature of a conservative and rigidly adhere to it. They are unwilling or unable, for whatever reason, to even consider for the briefest moment that their caricature is inaccurate.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2015 04:51 PM (2Ojst)

132 aos commenters:

a big focus group horde full of low thinking morons.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 04:48 PM (AkOaV)

Generally thinking just below the belt, yes.

Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 04:51 PM (JvPqF)

133 Frank just lost his rug card.

Posted by: dananjcon at August 25, 2015 04:51 PM (NpXoL)

134 If the establishment manages to demonize/turn back Trump, what happens to the anger level of the people then?

An explosion. At supernova strength.

I can see no way to avoid it now.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 25, 2015 04:52 PM (9krrF)

135

Hehe, this is such an Ace meat thread.

I guess we can't call it "red meat" anymore. We've abandoned the red party.

What color...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2015 04:52 PM (qCMvj)

136 This doesn't surprise me about their ignorance. All one has to do is look at the way their governing.

Posted by: Soona at August 25, 2015 04:52 PM (P25Hh)

137 >>>None of those fucksticks have the guts. Krispy is a fucking blowhard POS.

...and none of their major funders would have any of that.
.
.
.Kris Krispie is vehemently anti-gun and he won't come close in the Primary because of that alone. I am not even sure why he is running.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 25, 2015 04:52 PM (iONHu)

138 Aged hipster vampires. Dealing with that will give some a bad back.

Of course, that is just myth. Not politics, or science, or what is just being broadcast.

Mass extinction is really just that dog eating crumbs off the table. Not really going to happen. Just crazy stuff, just a thought.

Probably clears up when the money runs out. Life and Death stuff.

Posted by: neal at August 25, 2015 04:52 PM (1eYr7)

139 when frank sees a lamp post he probably just sees a lamp post

Posted by: X at August 25, 2015 04:52 PM (xGNLA)

140 120 me and the million conservatives who sat home or voted third party might have made him president

Probably not, he needed about five million. (Give or take, due to the electoral system.)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 25, 2015 04:50 PM (2lndx)

Probably even more to overcome the margin of fraud.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2015 04:52 PM (2Ojst)

141 Wow, over 100 Mickey Mouse Sports Network employees in the Ashley Madison hack. And not janitors.

Posted by: logprof, Amazonian at August 25, 2015 04:52 PM (vsbNu)

142

I don't get the Egypt clips along with that song...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2015 04:52 PM (qCMvj)

143 @101 see your post @64

64
Everyone can see the media is constantly lying about Trump.

Unfortunately Ace is now in the same category with his most recent post on the subject.

Ace told his readers that Trump was a little baby for trashing Megan Kelly again.

It's always the messenger fault. Trump is soo smart and RICH!

Got it. Helicopter rides for VIA

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 04:53 PM (0FSuD)

144 >>>It was retaliation, but Ace lied to his readers and made it sound totally unprovoked.

mm-hm. "Provocation" is a very important factor when we're analyzing which Television Personalities are TEH ROXXOR and which are TEH SUXXOR.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 04:53 PM (dciA+)

145 Where there a link to the discussion/admission by Luntz?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 25, 2015 04:53 PM (OSs/l)

146 Seriously. I know there are people paid to, say, monitor this site a bit.

In defense of the consultants, they may have been distracted by the busty lesbians.

Posted by: Methos at August 25, 2015 04:53 PM (ZbV+0)

147 "The man who has his finger on the pulse of the electorate probably has his thumb up my ass."

Posted by: Stuff Confucius Never Actually Said, But Probably Thought About, vol. 3 at August 25, 2015 04:53 PM (8ZskC)

148 Fucking Romney.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 25, 2015 04:53 PM (evdj2)

149
To repeat Ace, it really is damn shocking that they (Luntz, consultants) are that damn clueless. Conservatives in general are not LIV's (although a reasonable portion are). They know they've been stabbed in the back by the GOPe.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 25, 2015 04:53 PM (ODxAs)

150
You know what this reminds me of?

Mortimer Duke: Tell him the good part.

Randolph Duke: The good part, William, is that, no matter whether our clients make money or lose money, Duke & Duke get the commissions.

Mortimer Duke: Well? What do you think, Valentine?

Billy Ray: Sounds to me like you guys a couple of bookies.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 25, 2015 04:53 PM (TAzkM)

151 Hey assholes! Stop. Fucking. Lying. To. Us!

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 25, 2015 04:36 PM (2HloJ)

Children of illegal immigrants are down to 15% of the school kids in California!

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 25, 2015 04:53 PM (NaeCR)

152 I do the same thing as Andrew Breitbart--I comment seldom but use the comments here and some other places to get some idea of what the grassroots of the Republicans think.

BTW, I have worked in some campaigns in the past doing some data crunching etc. but now am in academia.

Right now, increasingly our governing elites and institutions are showing the same disdain for the rule of law, flaunting their greed, and ignoring serious national policy failures that Venezuela and Colombia did in the 1960's and 1970's. Eventually you get to a Chavez such as Venezuela with its toilet paper shortages or fighting a nasty low tempo decades-long civil war such as Colombia if this keeps up.

I would like to be optimistic but my background in history, economics, and politics repeatedly whispers SMOD is coming soon.

Posted by: wg at August 25, 2015 04:54 PM (riCJ2)

153 >>>I don't get the Egypt clips along with that song...

oh it was the 80s, they would just film wherever they were on tour or whatnot, often had nothing to do with the lyrics.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 04:54 PM (dciA+)

154 Seriously, it's as if basic cause and effect is an utterly alien concept to this band of idiots.

Said it before and I'll say it again, if you want to understand the beltway, read Sowell's Vision of the Anointed.

Cause and effect are outdated models of viewing the world. Magic and sorcery are the new thing.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 25, 2015 04:54 PM (2lndx)

155 Fuck you, Luntz.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at August 25, 2015 04:48 PM (4df7R)

I think you're my spirit animal.

Posted by: physics geek at August 25, 2015 04:55 PM (MT22W)

156 So ace is kinda fired up today!

Posted by: dude guy at August 25, 2015 04:55 PM (q177U)

157 Do you know what happens to political consultants when they are spectacularly wrong and help their candidate lose a race?

They move on to the next race and big 6 figure payoff.

I'm not sure we will ever be able to figure out what is wrong with this model.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 25, 2015 04:55 PM (OGm46)

158 then screamed at the lawn.

I sharpened the blade before negotiating the front lawn this AM.

Posted by: DaveA at August 25, 2015 04:55 PM (DL2i+)

159 "TRUMP 2016. BECAUSE FUCK YOU, THAT'S WHY."

Posted by: torquewrench at August 25, 2015 04:36 PM (noWW6)

I suppose you're right. If we're going to SMOD, mine as well have a Platinum SMOD - Trump stamped.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2015 04:55 PM (qCMvj)

160 Linky:

http://deadspin.com/more-than-100-espn-employees-signed-up-for-ashley-madis-1726440929

Posted by: logprof, Amazonian at August 25, 2015 04:55 PM (vsbNu)

161 134 If the establishment manages to demonize/turn back Trump, what happens to the anger level of the people then?

An explosion. At supernova strength.

I can see no way to avoid it now.
----------------------------
Maybe we break up into Sanctuary States and Regions and declare our own borders and immigration policies. Like the Left does. Equality demands it.

Posted by: Toby Miles at August 25, 2015 04:55 PM (oDCMR)

162 Hehe, this is such an Ace meat thread.

I guess we can't call it "red meat" anymore. We've abandoned the red party.

What color...
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2015 04:52 PM (qCMvj)

Thank God green is already taken.

Gray, maybe?

Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 04:55 PM (JvPqF)

163
It's arrogance.
When you get past a certain tax bracket, no one else is real to you.
If you came from a lower bracket and worked your way up with a lot of hard work, you can get it (or if you live outside the beltway of gold), but not these clowns graduating from a school that slips you right into the higher tax bracket. The bracket of arrogance.

Or if you dump your first wife and marry an heiress like McCain did. He earned that high income the easy way.

Posted by: nerdygirl at August 25, 2015 04:55 PM (+lVUW)

164 There is a NYT article that Insty (I think) linked to a day or so ago. Couldn't read it all as it was behind the paywall but, what is said was Trump's support is not in any way traditional.

And because of WHY people are supporting him, the traditional reasons for a campaign failing--gaffs, indiscretions, missteps, etc.--won't affect his support.

That's why even though he keeps dropping hand grenades down his drawers, he keeps steady in the polls.

Posted by: RoyalOil at August 25, 2015 04:55 PM (ZvKdv)

165 This is why:

By the way, of course: That's expressly the reason Andrew Breitbart read
the comments, especially here. Well, one reason was that he simply
enjoyed them. But the other reason, he told me, was to figure out where
people, as a mass, were on issues, where their passion was, where they
were going.

If you want to know what's going on in people's minds, read the comments. D.C. has this great tool (the Internet) and they've no clue how to use it.

Posted by: adsila at August 25, 2015 04:55 PM (AR612)

166 Because one is not impressed with The Donald does not mean that one supports the GOP Romanov selections, comrade.

There is one choice, comrade. Only one. Vote Stalin as if your life depends on it.

It does.

Posted by: Josef "Diebold" Stalin at August 25, 2015 04:55 PM (hLRSq)

167 Relegated to the 757. The humanity.

Posted by: Semper In Stercus at August 25, 2015 04:49 PM (BZAd3)

Hopefully with HOT stewardesses? Wonder what his plane's staff does look like? Like Poo Poo, having been on many private jets, they usually have smoking hot help.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 04:55 PM (0FSuD)

168 That's not VIA you fucking ignorant turd it's somebody else.

Posted by: Consultant Class at August 25, 2015 04:56 PM (qB3Ky)

169 Great day of blogging, Ace.

Posted by: rdbrewer at August 25, 2015 04:56 PM (Iyg03)

170 Hehe, this is such an Ace meat thread.

I guess we can't call it "red meat" anymore. We've abandoned the red party.

What color...
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2015 04:52 PM (qCMvj)

Ewok - the other other white meat.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2015 04:56 PM (2Ojst)

171 104 My "Liberal" associates...see I did not say friends, since I have no liberal friends...think I would like Bush and Rubio. They have NO fuckin clue how us real Conservatives think. They really live in an alternative universe. A Bizzaro World
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 04:48 PM (DUoqb)

I know they exist, but - how anyone who throws on the uniform can think "LIbErally" is way beyond my comprehension.

...and no, I do not associate with them in any shape or form.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at August 25, 2015 04:56 PM (yMVjf)

172 "TRUMP 2016. BECAUSE FUCK YOU, THAT'S WHY."

I would seriously consider buying this bumper sticker.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 25, 2015 04:56 PM (kff5f)

173 Posted by: LiveFromRussianHill at August 25, 2015 04:42 PM (LHLRD)

Spot on.

Ace, is this not why you defected to independent?

To echo Bosk: The GOPe are fags and their shit's all fucked up!

Posted by: Paolo is my bitch at August 25, 2015 04:56 PM (xzEFm)

174 Cause and effect are outdated models of viewing the world. Magic and sorcery are the new thing.

The trouble, of course, with magic and sorcery:
Sooner or later, you call up something you can't put back down.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 25, 2015 04:57 PM (9krrF)

175 "@101 see your post @64

64
Everyone can see the media is constantly lying about Trump.

Unfortunately Ace is now in the same category with his most recent post on the subject.

Ace told his readers that Trump was a little baby for trashing Megan Kelly again.

It's always the messenger fault. Trump is soo smart and RICH!

Got it. Helicopter rides for VIA

Yeh...this isn't going to end well.

#64 is a comment by someone called Village Idiot, who just happened to now be on Ace's shit list.

And that comment is being credited to me by some commenters.

Tensions are high
Tempers are short

And someone decides to comment using a Nic that's very close to mine.

Yeh, I see that getting ugly....fast.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 25, 2015 04:57 PM (VPLuQ)

176 when frank sees a lamp post he probably just sees a lamp post
Posted by: X at August 25, 2015 04:52 PM (xGNLA)

Subtle. You can get away with this because nobody knows history any more.

Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 04:57 PM (JvPqF)

177 "Donald Trump is punishment to a Republican elite that wasn't listening to their grassroots."

This x 1000.

I've been busy as hell recently, very little to no time to comment. I remember when high school graduates took a summer job painting houses or humping shingles up to the roof of a house. 'College Pro' they used to call them in this area. It didn't pay that great but it took the sting out of college tuition. Guess who has those jobs now? Guess who can't afford college?

Trump hits a chord that resonates because it's true. Absolutely, positively, fucking true. The republican establishment can kiss my ass.

Posted by: se pa moron at August 25, 2015 04:57 PM (sI4OA)

178 I, for one, am shocked no one in the focus group called Congress "craven spineless motherfuckers". But this is why I am not part of focus groups.

Posted by: Penfold at August 25, 2015 04:57 PM (Fbt5B)

179 (Also, I think the reports should be focused on the comments, not the blogger, and I say that not out of false modesty, but because one dude is just one dude, but a mass of commenters is more like a focus group -- maybe a big focus group.)

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 04:39 PM (dciA+)

Dear. God. In. Heaven. Above.

Visual representation of the poor person tasked to do that.

http://bit.ly/1jBa7l4

Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at August 25, 2015 04:57 PM (mf5HN)

180 dciA+, my hero is actually Cruz, I'm sure to vote for him in the primary.

But I'm disgusted when the media lies in their attacks on Trump, and that includes Ace when he fails to mention that Trumps attack on Kelly was actually retaliation for her attacking him first on her show as soon as she got back from vacation.

Hey Media, do your job, be honest, be professional.

Posted by: Village Idiot at August 25, 2015 04:57 PM (bf86X)

181 Sooner or later, you call up something you can't put back down.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 25, 2015 04:57 PM (9krrF)

If it stays up for over four hours, seek emergency medical treatment.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2015 04:57 PM (2Ojst)

182 big focus group.

subject to the Moron definition of focus - and average BAC.

Posted by: DaveA at August 25, 2015 04:57 PM (DL2i+)

183 Trump=Perot

Same egos, same money, same outcome, defeat a Boosh, elect a democrat.

I am old enough to remember that clown act, this is like de ja vue all over again.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 04:58 PM (0FSuD)

184 village idiot's apprentice,

well, I know it's not you.

But I have a problem with your mentor.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 04:58 PM (dciA+)

185 Yeah in 2010 you could get away with being shocked at how pissed off people are at the establishment. Now? How clueless do you have to be? What did luntz finally get a focus group that wasn't made up of only people from New York City?

Posted by: Buzzion at August 25, 2015 04:58 PM (z/Ubi)

186 Trump, like Genghis Khan, astride a horse, saying to GOPe "You must have done something horrible to bring a punishment like me upon you."

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 25, 2015 04:58 PM (kKHcp)

187 Until such time as the Washington establishment quits marching out a little shit like Jeb Bush, what with his "central government is fine and dandy if I get to decide the policies!" bullshit, there will be anger. Until such time as people are fired for insulting the voters, people like John McVain and Rick Wilson, who keep their jobs despite saying inane, condescending and plainly insulting things, there will be anger.

When Lois Lernor and Hillary Clinton go to jail, and the EPA stops terrorizing the population, SCOTUS goes back into it's Constitutional box, when asshats like TFG stop destroying the electricity markets and social engineering medical insurance, when people in academia start working for a fucking living, and Rhambo's brother becomes an object of derision for suggesting its A-OK to stop giving medical care to people older than 75, when all those things change, then politicians will sleep better.

Until that time, fuck you.

Posted by: MTF at August 25, 2015 04:58 PM (LISuA)

188 I think Luntz needs to have a talk with Boner and the turtle.

Posted by: Soona at August 25, 2015 04:58 PM (P25Hh)

189 Yeh, I see that getting ugly....fast.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 25, 2015 04:57 PM (VPLuQ)

*shoves third best flamethrower through USB port for VIA*

Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at August 25, 2015 04:58 PM (mf5HN)

190 Hopefully with HOT stewardesses? Wonder what his plane's staff does look like? Like Poo Poo, having been on many private jets, they usually have smoking hot help.
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 04:55 PM (0FSuD)

Smithsonian Channel (of all places) had a show on just a couple of days ago about Trump's 757.

And yes, the stewardess was hot.

Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 04:58 PM (JvPqF)

191 http://deadspin.com/more-than-100-espn-employees-signed-up-for-ashley-madis-1726440929
Posted by: logprof, Amazonian at August 25, 2015 04:55 PM (vsbNu)

???

And?

Those of us on the East Coast in and around the MASS. CT NJ NY area all know people who work at ESPN and it is nothing more than a slightly older Frat house very similar to Animal House that masquerades as a Sports Network

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 04:58 PM (DUoqb)

192 Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at August 25, 2015 04:57 PM (mf5HN)

I know, right? It. Would. Be. AWESOME.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 25, 2015 04:58 PM (kff5f)

193 I am not Trump-o-phile but Trump-curious.

one thing about our side is the fainting at Trump's transgressions is that it's coopting our enemies PC bullshit spectacle tendencies.

I am meh.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at August 25, 2015 04:58 PM (ppGKQ)

194 I think what Luntz is trying to say is that like a battered spouse, the conservative base is to blame for the abuse it gets from the GOP.

Posted by: Penfold at August 25, 2015 04:59 PM (Fbt5B)

195

When you listen to *__* like Rove, you get the sense it is only the numbers that matter. Get out the vote. Pay them off, get a guarantee. It's not about the country and what people need/want.

Number crunching.

So when they won both houses, or if they win a majority, they think it's a nod to what they are doing.

Faceless, stats.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2015 04:59 PM (qCMvj)

196 If you want to know what's going on in people's minds, read the comments. D.C. has this great tool (the Internet) and they've no clue how to use it.

It's worse than that. They're stuck in the old media model of one-way communication. They can't, in their wildest dreams, get their heads around the concept of two-way communication.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 25, 2015 04:59 PM (9krrF)

197 45 More Schadenboner: It's blue on blue, or blue on green, or green on blue. Greenpeace workers on strike over labor conditions. See WZ.

They're all red to me.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 25, 2015 04:40 PM (XUKZU)

How does that work? They've thrown up picket lines on their little boats.

Posted by: nerdygirl at August 25, 2015 04:59 PM (+lVUW)

198 >>>But I'm disgusted when the media lies in their attacks on Trump, and that includes Ace when he fails to mention that Trumps attack on Kelly was actually retaliation for her attacking him first on her show as soon as she got back from vacation.

yes it's very unexpected that a journalist should discuss the republican front-runner on her show, and Trump is reacting properly in calling her a bimbo, and anyone who doesn't explain how out-of-line megyn Kelly was here is a "liar" who "lies" to his readers.

Now go back to your Television Personalities and cheering on your favorites.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 04:59 PM (dciA+)

199 "Posted by: Village Idiot at August 25, 2015 04:43 PM (bf86X)"

This could cause confusion.Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 25, 2015 04:45 PM (VPLuQ).................yes it could

Posted by: Yo! at August 25, 2015 05:00 PM (W6iIX)

200 Can you imagine a representative cross-section of the Horde in a Luntz focus group? Hilarity and obscenity would ensue. Frankie's head would probably explode Scanners style.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2015 05:00 PM (2Ojst)

201 " That's not VIA you fu......"

I've known Nip Sip for quite some time.

It's an honest mistake.

Which is why I pointed out my concern for misattribution.

No need to attempt to go nucular.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 25, 2015 05:00 PM (VPLuQ)

202 *shoves third best flamethrower through USB port for VIA*

Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at August 25, 2015 04:58 PM (mf5HN)

Huh. I bet I know who gets the first two.

Posted by: physics geek at August 25, 2015 05:00 PM (MT22W)

203 Sooner or later, you call up something you can't put back down.

And they always seem to go straight for that demon with open arms.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 25, 2015 05:00 PM (2lndx)

204 Trump is not the answer. Trump is the challenge.

Posted by: jwpaine, otherized for your protection at August 25, 2015 05:01 PM (wKcQA)

205 You know, they didn't have to read the comments.

They could have just talked to David Brat.

I mean, your Majority Leader gets primaried and you don't take the hint?

Posted by: AmishDude at August 25, 2015 05:01 PM (Xd2w5)

206 Re: Romney and 47%.... If he had stood up like a man and said, yeah, I misspoke... it's more like 49% of the country are takers... but no. He apologized and wiggled and failed. No backbone. It's all PC instead of unapologetic stands and fight back and defend your stand and your supporters. Naw... no thanks. Modern pols are equivocators. Cruz is an exception. There are others, but in the main, they say what they got to say. Conservatives are sick of bullshit talk and spineless get-a-longs. Trump is providing excellent cover for Cruz AND he is helping Cruz find positions to stand with that I think he might have equivocated on without more outspoken grenade thrower in the race. All good.

Posted by: Yip at August 25, 2015 05:01 PM (e7T6D)

207 Yeh, I see that getting ugly....fast.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 25, 2015 04:57 PM (VPLu
Oh, sorry. socking a regular is not a good thing

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 05:01 PM (0FSuD)

208 Gloriously off-topic.
http://is.gd/d8IpLB

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 25, 2015 05:01 PM (/kI1Q)

209 These people primarily live/work in DC and so have been immune to the wreckage wrought outside of the Beltway. They don't see it and certainly don't interact or associate with those impacted by this zombie economy and/or increasingly oppressive, stifling iron-fisted govt.

Posted by: Sid Vicious at August 25, 2015 05:01 PM (hVAIK)

210 (Also, I think the reports should be focused on the comments,

it probably boils down to the numbers and stats
ticking off a box

so many want this
so many are against this

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2015 05:01 PM (qCMvj)

211 I've known Nip Sip for quite some time.
______________

Me too.

Posted by: Consultant Class at August 25, 2015 05:01 PM (qB3Ky)

212
I am pretty sure that the reason Cruz has the support he does is because he told McConnell to kiss his ass in senate speak. He should do it in english too.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 25, 2015 05:01 PM (ODxAs)

213 But no -- High Guru Frank Luntz is shocked to the point of his legs shaking as the world reels beneath his feet to discover the grassroots really, really despises the Establishment, and no longer trusts them, and in fact considers them political enemies in the same way they consider the Democrats to be political enemies.

Perhaps if they felt their legs giving out at what the Democrats were doing, they wouldn't be in this situation.

The fact that these guys were happy with how things are tells you all you need to know.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 25, 2015 05:01 PM (ph/F7)

214 It's always the messenger fault. Trump is soo smart and RICH!

Got it. Helicopter rides for VIA

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 04:53 PM (0FSuD)

You might go check that comment again, then apologize.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at August 25, 2015 05:01 PM (q20+R)

215 Can you imagine a representative cross-section of
the Horde in a Luntz focus group? Hilarity and obscenity would ensue.
Frankie's head would probably explode Scanners style.

Posted by: Insomniac
-------------------

The kindest word would be "douchebags", in fact it could serve as a modern list of words you can't say on television.

Posted by: Penfold at August 25, 2015 05:01 PM (Fbt5B)

216 208 Gloriously off-topic.
http://is.gd/d8IpLB
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 25, 2015 05:01 PM (/kI1Q)

This isn't another picture of carefully molded cow flop, is it?

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2015 05:01 PM (2Ojst)

217 Sorry; I now see the link. I have to hand it to "Time". These always come through with their inevitable brand of cluelessness-Fawning Donald Trump focus group. I am hardly fawning over Trump, but I get why people are really angry at the establishment and why they are glad Trump is addressing some of their concerns. I think Trump pays people to find out what people actually think.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 25, 2015 05:02 PM (OSs/l)

218 If you want to know what's going on in people's minds, read the comments. D.C. has this great tool (the Internet) and they've no clue how to use it.
Posted by: adsila at August 25, 2015 04:55 PM (AR612)

Of course, the comments of most sites are infested with Putin's paid trolls, George Soros' paid True Believers and their unpaid sycophant shills, LIV-brainwashed mouth breathers unthinkingly parroting the Party Line, all joining to shout down the occasional free thinker/conservative who dares to pierce their media bubble to put them some knowledge.

Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 05:02 PM (JvPqF)

219 Hah.....Trump-curious.

Perfect.

oh it was the 80s, they would just film wherever they were on tour or whatnot, often had nothing to do with the lyrics.

ooooohhhhhhh.....that explains it. Never understood that shit.

Posted by: eleven at August 25, 2015 05:02 PM (MDgS8)

220 Can you imagine a representative cross-section of the Horde in a Luntz focus group? Hilarity and obscenity would ensue. Frankie's head would probably explode Scanners style.

It would never happen unless he offered an open bar.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 25, 2015 05:02 PM (8ZskC)

221 Trump calls our leaders stupid; Ace dithers, calls them morons, assholes, geniuses.

Trump calls Luntz "low-class slob" (Breitbart); Ace: Luntz fails to meet expectations.

For a guy losing his marbles, he seems to be pretty on top of things.

Posted by: rebel flounder at August 25, 2015 05:02 PM (Vf5rR)

222 It's not only the Thundering Moron Herd who know this, every conservative and semi-conservative blog, radio show or other media has been screaming it. Even RIONish Bill Bennett has been saying it. The other day he said Boner and the Turtle should defend themselves with the argument that but for them things would be worse. Worse how? Mandatory homosexuality? Death penalty for bad mindthoughts?

P.S. There was a bit on Cheers some years ago I thought was funny. Sam lied to Diane so he could bang another chick. Diane found out and was all pissed off. Several days later Sam wants to kiss and make up but Diane is still mad. "You mean you still don't see the humor in that?" he asks her. That's the Boner/Turtle experience. Yeah, we lied to and betrayed you and you still don't see the humor in that?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 25, 2015 05:03 PM (XUKZU)

223
Ace, did you ever get around to unbanning Backwardsboy?

The poor guy.

Posted by: Soothie at August 25, 2015 05:03 PM (p0det)

224 Those of us on the East Coast in and around the MASS. CT NJ NY area all know people who work at ESPN and it is nothing more than a slightly older Frat house very similar to Animal House that masquerades as a Sports Network
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 04:58 PM (DUoqb)

--What jumped out at me was how many *women* were there. AM is 5% women overall, but 20% of the ESPN employees were women. Damn.

Hmmm, Britt McHenry?

Posted by: logprof, Amazonian at August 25, 2015 05:03 PM (vsbNu)

225 Those of us on the East Coast in and around the MASS. CT NJ NY area all
know people who work at ESPN and it is nothing more than a slightly
older Frat house very similar to Animal House that masquerades as a
Sports Network

They just suspended Curt Schilling for tweeting about Muslims.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 25, 2015 05:03 PM (/kI1Q)

226 While we are often distracted by longbow v. crossbows, snark for its own sake, and boobehs, when the Morons focus, we focus like a fucking hammer.

Posted by: jwpaine, otherized for your protection at August 25, 2015 05:03 PM (wKcQA)

227 Dear. God. In. Heaven. Above.

Visual representation of the poor person tasked to do that.

http://bit.ly/1jBa7l4

Yeah, I figure it's more like this:

http://tinyurl.com/nfgshfv

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 25, 2015 05:03 PM (9krrF)

228 Posted by: Village Idiot at August 25, 2015 04:57 PM (bf86X)

who bitch this is?

also, do the horde a favor and change your nic. we're not that bright to begin with, no need to confuse us even more.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 05:03 PM (AkOaV)

229 If the establishment manages to demonize/turn back Trump, what happens to the anger level of the people then?

They get to fond out what happens when you have an election and no one shows up.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2015 05:03 PM (k+zgr)

230
Trump will be a repeat of Swartzenegger.

In fact it would be fun to compare how both campaigned

Posted by: Yo! at August 25, 2015 05:04 PM (W6iIX)

231 As someone mentioned on another site last week.

Trump isn't a problem with your engine.

Trump is the idiot light saying "Check Engine".

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 25, 2015 05:04 PM (VPLuQ)

232 223
Ace, did you ever get around to unbanning Backwardsboy?

The poor guy.
Posted by: Soothie at August 25, 2015 05:03 PM (p0det)

I just wish someone could bring back poor Buzzion ;_;

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 25, 2015 05:04 PM (ph/F7)

233 ooooohhhhhhh.....that explains it. Never understood that shit.

Posted by: eleven at August 25, 2015 05:02 PM (MDgS

It was the 80s. Neither did anyone else.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Fire-hooks and Rock Salt for sale at August 25, 2015 05:04 PM (kff5f)

234 @214

Danger Girl, you're late, already did. My eyes suck, have eye appointment in morning. Seriously.

208
Gloriously off-topic.
http://is.gd/d8IpLB

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 25, 2015 05:01 PM (/kI1Q)

And I thought we were going to get some pron.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 05:05 PM (0FSuD)

235 Trump calls Luntz "low-class slob" (Breitbart); Ace: Luntz fails to meet expectations.

For a guy losing his marbles, he seems to be pretty on top of things.

Are you kidding? Trump is just insulting anybody who isn't praising him with his standard bag of insults.

There's no comparison at all between the statements.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 25, 2015 05:05 PM (Xd2w5)

236 15
You suppress a Tea Party, you get a Trump.

This is NOT A MYSTERY.

Posted by: filbert

I made the exact same point to my mom when Trump started rising in the polls. The Tea Party got hammered from every direction and ultimately went mostly silent, but the sentiment DID NOT. Like ACORN, it didn't disappear either but rose in a new incarnation.

Trump is a very imperfect vessel, but he'll do for now....and maybe all the way to the general election.

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 25, 2015 05:05 PM (gyKtp)

237 By saying you are shocked leads into the next lie.

The "I get it" garbage.

Posted by: Drider at August 25, 2015 05:05 PM (6Xbsz)

238 Spot on, Ace!!!!

Can someone tweet a link to this post to Frank Luntz?

Weak legs, buddy?
You need to feel the snark an contempt that ace is serving up if you are REALLY THAT CLUELESS!.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 25, 2015 05:06 PM (NOIQH)

239 200 Can you imagine a representative cross-section of the Horde in a Luntz focus group? Hilarity and obscenity would ensue. Frankie's head would probably explode Scanners style.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2015 05:00 PM (2Ojst)

With beer coolers in the studio, or fuck it.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at August 25, 2015 05:06 PM (yMVjf)

240 While we are often distracted by longbow v. crossbows, snark for its own sake, and boobehs, when the Morons focus, we focus like a fucking hammer.
Posted by: jwpaine, otherized for your protection at August 25, 2015 05:03 PM (wKcQA)

Boobehs? Where?

Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 05:06 PM (JvPqF)

241 I think Trump pays people to find out what people actually think.

Of course he does. In the business world you live or die by that. Politicians have been insulating themselves from it. That's all the difference.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 25, 2015 05:06 PM (9krrF)

242 Trump is the middle finger candidate.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at August 25, 2015 05:06 PM (uhftQ)

243 rebel flounder,

you guys really just don't get it, do you?

In your mode of thinking, either everything someone does is GOOD and RIGHT, or everything someone does is BAD and WRONG.

It seems that you have not even entertained the possibility that someone like me could judge some things Trump does to be good and right, and other things to be bad and wrong (and counterproductive, and self-sabotaging, and self-beclownging).

but no, for guys like you, the Hero is always the Hero, the villain always the villain, and my inability to stick to such a simple script confuses you.

You're like the people who claimed I was "Attacking Limbaugh" in a 1500 word post *defending* limbaugh because my argument was "So he made a bad, off-color joke that didn't land, but so what?" You and a bunch of the other Hero-Worshippers said that was "attacking him" because Fluke really is a "slut" and we should be "pushing that message.'

Well, I'm sorry to say that, but you're a pretty low-level thinker. Higher-level thinkers are able to think of a person and find both things to fault and praise in him.

You'll just have to get used to the idea that many other people here will be saying things that confuse you.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 05:06 PM (dciA+)

244 I don't see it-buildings looking like people copulating. I mean, I suppose after reading the headline I can see it if I really work hard at it, but it would never have occurred to me if I hadn't read the headline.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 25, 2015 05:06 PM (OSs/l)

245 208 Gloriously off-topic.
http://is.gd/d8IpLB
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 25, 2015 05:01 PM (/kI1Q)
---
An interesting architectural detail is the groin vault where the two buildings join.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Michigangsta at August 25, 2015 05:06 PM (jR7Wy)

246 242
Trump is the middle finger candidate.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at August 25, 2015 05:06 PM (uhftQ)

BINGO. Lot of people need to be given it.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 05:07 PM (0FSuD)

247 Ok, this explains a lot. They really are stupid. Stupid stupid. It's not just some theory hurled at them by frustrated voters.

I kept wondering if they had some cunning plan, but no. They are just stupid. Great. I wasn't voting for these people anyway.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at August 25, 2015 05:07 PM (E5UB0)

248 "I want to put the Republican leadership behind this mirror and let them see. They need to wake up. They don't realize how the grassroots have abandoned them," Luntz continued. "

Third full sentence, on who was abandoned.

This degree of cluelessness is dangerous. If the political class doesn't get its act together soon, Ferguson will be remembered as a child's birthday party.

Posted by: Debbie Washerlady-Shorts at August 25, 2015 05:07 PM (6gR7l)

249 but it would never have occurred to me if I hadn't read the headline.

That's because you're a better person than most.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 25, 2015 05:07 PM (/kI1Q)

250 Trump is the idiot light saying "Check Engine".

Which people never do.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2015 05:08 PM (k+zgr)

251 Jeeze. How fucking disconnected from reality can these imbeciles get? They literally are completely isolated from reality. They need to be flushed like a load of crap.

Posted by: maddogg at August 25, 2015 05:08 PM (xWW96)

252 Trump is a breath of fresh air when it comes to the 4 paragraph candidates.

The ones whose sterling plans are completely burned to the ground and forgotten when the NYT writes 4 paragraphs of bad things about them.

Posted by: Drider at August 25, 2015 05:08 PM (6Xbsz)

253 That Penn and Teller bit that was linked above pretty much had it hands down. They said Luntz asks specifically worded questions to get the answers he wants. Oh and he calls that science.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 25, 2015 05:09 PM (iONHu)

254 Is that what happened to Backwards Boy-he got banned? I was worried about him. I enjoy his posts.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 25, 2015 05:09 PM (OSs/l)

255 Danger Girl, you're late, already did. My eyes suck, have eye appointment in morning. Seriously.

You posted that at the same time I posted. Glad ya straightened it out.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at August 25, 2015 05:09 PM (q20+R)

256 "When you get past a certain tax bracket, no one else is real to you"

See also: Mitt Romney in 2012.

Who after the fastest rise in retail gasoline prices in history during Obama's first term, ran a grand total of zero (0) ads attacking Obama on that obvious weak point.

Because when someone has a net worth of hundreds of millions of dollars, the numbers on the signs at the gas stations are just rounding errors. Utterly inconsequential to their lives.

If gas went to $50/gal, the nation's centimillionaire-and-up class wouldn't even notice. Whereas even an additional buck a gallon means ruination to the household finances of so many in the serf class.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 25, 2015 05:09 PM (noWW6)

257 Trump will be a repeat of Swartzenegger.

He's a tumah?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 25, 2015 05:09 PM (W5DcG)

258

The Tea Party/grassroots should have gone 3rd party way back then. Big mistake to "go into the GOP umbrella." They had no idea, I know, how much they would be betrayed.

It would have been a huge hurdle, but it could be done to overtake these losers.

Trump is basically running 3rd party already - although he is nothing like the Tea Party folks.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2015 05:09 PM (qCMvj)

259 >>>Ace, did you ever get around to unbanning Backwardsboy?

The poor guy.

...

not yet. I have tried but he's simply not on any banned list -- not his IP, not his hashtag.

There is something else going on, and I think it might be something on his end, some blocker in his computer that finds the site "unsafe" or something.

The only ways someone could be banned is by IP, or by hash, or by using forbidden words. For example, he uses the word "sh1t" in his handle; i told him to try not using it. Maybe some site banned that for some reason. (Other websites contribure to the word-banned list used by pixy's softwear here.)

but if it's not a forbidden word, or the hashtag, or the IP (and it's not the last two), then what is it?

it has to be on his end, I think.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 05:09 PM (dciA+)

260 Trump is a very imperfect vessel, but he'll do for now....and maybe all the way to the general election.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 25, 2015 05:05 PM (gyKtp)

Yes, and the smartest player now?

Cruz.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at August 25, 2015 05:10 PM (yMVjf)

261 I've known Nip Sip for quite some time.
______________

Me too.
Posted by: Consultant Class at August 25, 2015 05:01 PM (qB3Ky)

----------------------------------------------

Oh no! Don't tell me Nip Sip is dead too. First Buzzion, now Nip Sip. Where will it end?

Posted by: Soona at August 25, 2015 05:10 PM (P25Hh)

262 My campaign slogan for Biden: Ready Set Joe!

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 25, 2015 05:10 PM (XUKZU)

263 I can't wait to see the shocked faces of Luntz, Will, etc. when the VA and SC GOP officials (and any other state they can join them) implement their oh-so-clever "must sign loyalty oath to get on primary ballot" gambit with Trump. I don't care how they feel about Trump (or vice versa) but they can't pretend that they're not telling everyone who is even leaning toward Trump as a demonstration that they're pissed off that they no longer have an option to register said pissed offed-ness.

Probably will look like the guys at the running of the bulls who --get this! - are gored by an angry bull.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 25, 2015 05:11 PM (NOIQH)

264
The establishment thinks you all will just go back to the store and buy the baloney.
Sure the pimento loaf looks exciting, but who really knows what it tastes like.Pimento? Seriously.
Baloney. That's a good solid lunch meat. A known quantity, reliable, solid, fill-you-up kind of lunch meat that won't leave you with the runs later. Basically Jeb Bush is baloney.
Now is not the time to try the pimento loaf. Do you want to get the runs tomorrow?
Luntz really is kind of a goof. Seriously, this stuff is a serious bias filter. If you live in a bubble you think your just like everyone else. This place does get a lot of variety of opinion. Funny people, who think different than me. Good.

Posted by: simplemind at August 25, 2015 05:11 PM (5vV+V)

265 9 Luntz is a fag and his shit's all fucked up.
Posted by: Bosk at August 25, 2015 04:33 PM (n2K+4)

indeed...

Posted by: Shoey at August 25, 2015 05:11 PM (vA94g)

266 If I were as behind the times in my profession as these asschapeaus are, I'd still be trying to transmute lead into gold. Guys, you're supposed to be GOOD at this. If you aren't, then why are you even here?

Posted by: pep at August 25, 2015 05:11 PM (LAe3v)

267 "Which people never do."

Probably just a fuse.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 25, 2015 05:11 PM (LA7Cm)

268 262 My campaign slogan for Biden: Ready Set Joe!
Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 25, 2015 05:10 PM (XUKZU)
---
Thanks for the plugs!

Posted by: Joltin' Joe at August 25, 2015 05:11 PM (jR7Wy)

269 The Tea Party/grassroots should have gone 3rd party way back then. Big mistake to "go into the GOP umbrella." They had no idea, I know, how much they would be betrayed.

It would have been a huge hurdle, but it could be done to overtake these losers.

Trump is basically running 3rd party already - although he is nothing like the Tea Party folks.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2015 05:09 PM (qCMvj)

I think your last statement is largely true.

It will be interesting to see how the Republican Party fractures if he is somehow headed off for the GOP Prez nomination and actually does go independent. My guess is that it will be largely along the "Tea Party" fracture line.

Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 05:12 PM (JvPqF)

270 The Tea Party/grassroots should have gone 3rd party way back then. Big mistake to "go into the GOP umbrella." They had no idea, I know, how much they would be betrayed.

There was a naive belief that we could get the precincts and all the low-level positions and reform the party.

The bloom was off the rose in 2011 during the debt ceiling fight. It became clear the GOP would not fight the Democrats seriously and was breaking all its promises.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 25, 2015 05:12 PM (ph/F7)

271 That's because you're a better person than most.

I doubt that, but thank you :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 25, 2015 05:12 PM (OSs/l)

272 Trump=Perot

Same egos, same money, same outcome, defeat a Boosh, elect a democrat.

I am old enough to remember that clown act, this is like de ja vue all over again.

If it gives us a balanced budget again, it's worth doing.

Posted by: Methos at August 25, 2015 05:12 PM (ZbV+0)

273 They just suspended Curt Schilling for tweeting about Muslims.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 25, 2015 05:03 PM (/kI1Q)

Did they really? link? And of course the hypocrites are liberal wienies also

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 05:12 PM (DUoqb)

274 Are you kidding? Trump is just insulting anybody who isn't praising him with his standard bag of insults.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 25, 2015 05:05 PM (Xd2w5)

But they all deserve the insults, at the very least.

It's not that these people aren't praising Trump (and I would take issue with your claim that that is the threshold) but that they are attacking him in order to breathe more life into the demented blow-up dolls that are the rest of the Vichy GOP field.

Luntz clearly is a slob. he might be low class ... he might not, but he deserved the description anyway.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 25, 2015 05:12 PM (MYSVz)

275 After our in-depth research into the comments at right-leaning blogs and other social media, we have concluded that the number one concern among the participants is: who is "first". The second most pressing issue seems to be the death of someone name "buzzion". That will be $500,000, please.

Posted by: Frank Luntz at August 25, 2015 05:12 PM (nFdGS)

276 256 "When you get past a certain tax bracket, no one else is real to you"

Duh. You people are just a bad dream.

Posted by: Mister Mu Mu at August 25, 2015 05:12 PM (vgIRn)

277 Trump is the idiot light saying "Check Engine".

Who's the creaking mechanic? That's who we should be giving the love to.

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 25, 2015 05:13 PM (zoyKY)

278 Trump will be a repeat of Swartzenegger.

He's a tumah?

He'll get to teh choppa?

Posted by: AltonJackson at August 25, 2015 05:13 PM (ZQfW9)

279 Unfortunately Ace is now in the same category with his most recent post on the subject.

Ace was previously spreading FUD about Trump being a Christian In Name Only, but actually being an agnostic.

Funny, that. Religious purity tests from the agnostic.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 25, 2015 05:13 PM (0NdlF)

280 "Where will it end?"

Been quite a day.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 25, 2015 05:13 PM (LA7Cm)

281 That Penn and Teller bit that was linked above pretty much had it hands down. They said Luntz asks specifically worded questions to get the answers he wants. Oh and he calls that science.

It is science.

Social science. It is perfectly in line with the best practices of that profession.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 25, 2015 05:13 PM (Xd2w5)

282 Is ESPN still ok with telling people to get fall guys?

Posted by: SH at August 25, 2015 05:13 PM (gmeXX)

283
Buzzion is dead?

Posted by: Soothie at August 25, 2015 05:13 PM (p0det)

284 I am doing some Navy Emails to my HQ and higher up while i am here and it is not easy to make sure I don't copy and paste the wrong thing. Fuck could I get into trouble

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 05:13 PM (DUoqb)

285 >>>Like, my legs are shaking.

The symbol for theatre is the comedy/tragedy mask. Maybe the symbol for politics should be Chris Matthews' leg next to Frank Luntz's leg.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at August 25, 2015 05:13 PM (E5UB0)

286 Trump is the idiot light saying "Check Engine".

Which people never do.

It's not my engine...the engine is fine. It's the stupid sensor for the gas cap.

Posted by: eleven at August 25, 2015 05:14 PM (MDgS8)

287 The Tea Party/grassroots should have gone 3rd party way back then. Big mistake to "go into the GOP umbrella.

We were always told 3rd party never wins change the system from within. That doesn't seem to work either does it?

Posted by: just saying at August 25, 2015 05:14 PM (g0hKk)

288 98Z, guess I'll just stare at that lake with you until this whole thing blows over.

Posted by: JohnnyBoy at August 25, 2015 05:14 PM (WjXce)

289 About Romney - you would think a man who made it to the top of a private equity firm would be ruthless and cutthroat. Who knew he'd be such a giant pansy?

Posted by: Titanium at August 25, 2015 05:14 PM (oDFTq)

290 Same egos, same money, same outcome, defeat a Boosh, elect a democrat.

Since "elect a republican" is just another version of "elect a democrat", that means the only true difference is "defeat a Boosh."

I'm okay with that.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 25, 2015 05:14 PM (0NdlF)

291 Is ESPN still ok with telling people to get fall guys?
Posted by: SH at August 25, 2015 05:13 PM (gmeXX)

They haven't fired him yet have they?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 05:14 PM (DUoqb)

292 Trump is the idiot light saying "Check Engine".

Who's the creaking mechanic? That's who we should be giving the love to.
Posted by: Cruzinator

Perot always said that he was going to "get under the hood and fix it" or something like that.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 25, 2015 05:14 PM (W5DcG)

293 Nevergiveup:
http://is.gd/pjJWgs

Spot the logical fallacies!

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 25, 2015 05:14 PM (/kI1Q)

294 An explosion. At supernova strength.

I can see no way to avoid it now.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 25, 2015 04:52 PM (9krrF)

Stop getting my hopes up!

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at August 25, 2015 05:15 PM (JOG+K)

295 If gas went to $50/gal, the nation's centimillionaire-and-up class wouldn't even notice. Whereas even an additional buck a gallon means ruination to the household finances of so many in the serf class.

I wouldn't notice, but that's because (1) I'm rich beyond description, and (2) I wisely chose a fuel-sipping 10 year-old Toyota Corolla as my vehicle of choice.

Posted by: Mr. Poo Poo at August 25, 2015 05:15 PM (8ZskC)

296 About Romney - you would think a man who made it to the top of a private equity firm would be ruthless and cutthroat. Who knew he'd be such a giant pansy?
Posted by: Titanium at August 25, 2015 05:14 PM (oDFTq)

Consultants and Focus Groups

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 05:15 PM (DUoqb)

297 The DOPe's strategy to deal with this problem? More better lies.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 25, 2015 05:15 PM (XUKZU)

298 283
Buzzion is dead?
Posted by: Soothie at August 25, 2015 05:13 PM (p0det)

He's as dead as Jeff Goldblum.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 25, 2015 05:15 PM (ph/F7)

299 202 *shoves third best flamethrower through USB port for VIA*

Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at August 25, 2015 04:58 PM (mf5HN)

Huh. I bet I know who gets the first two.
Posted by: physics geek at August 25, 2015 05:00 PM (MT22W)

Well you know she has to keep the best one for herself. In case of spiders.

Posted by: Buzzion at August 25, 2015 05:15 PM (z/Ubi)

300 The ones whose sterling plans are completely burned
to the ground and forgotten when the NYT writes 4 paragraphs of bad
things about them.

Posted by: Drider

Why, what have you heard. Is the NYT mad? Because I can change.

Posted by: Jeb!!!!???? at August 25, 2015 05:15 PM (LAe3v)

301 275 After our in-depth research into the comments at right-leaning blogs and other social media, we have concluded that the number one concern among the participants is: who is "first". The second most pressing issue seems to be the death of someone name "buzzion". That will be $500,000, please.
Posted by: Frank Luntz at August 25, 2015 05:12 PM (nFdGS)

outstanding Moron humor, thank you

Posted by: Shoey at August 25, 2015 05:15 PM (vA94g)

302 "We've got to show the Republicans that we've had it with them, that we will not be there every single time. They treat us like crap and they lie to us and promise us things and then they expect us to vote again"

YAH THINK???

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at August 25, 2015 05:16 PM (E5UB0)

303 I'm shocked too, at how clueless the D.C. crowd is. It's stunning, really. I thought once trump started up it would get the others stirred up. Nope. Astonishing, really.

Posted by: Auntie Doodles at August 25, 2015 05:16 PM (teYv/)

304 >>They just suspended Curt Schilling for tweeting about Muslims

WHaaaaaaaa?

Posted by: Lizzy at August 25, 2015 05:16 PM (NOIQH)

305 Nevergiveup:
http://is.gd/pjJWgs

Spot the logical fallacies!
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 25, 2015 05:14 PM (/kI1Q)

THANKS--- I think his post was great!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 05:17 PM (DUoqb)

306 I wish I could email schilling to tell him I support him

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 05:17 PM (DUoqb)

307 There's no comparison at all between the statements.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 25, 2015 05:05 PM (Xd2w5)

The focus group of GOP primary voters not only declared Trump the loser but a big loser who fatally damaged himself.

Using the words "low class slob," Trump gave Luntz the now-famous Trump treatment and accused Luntz of stacking the focus group deck against him:

-

.@FrankLuntz is a low class slob who came to my office looking for consulting work and I had zero interest. Now he picks anti-Trump panels!

-Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 7, 2015

Now. Now, he is shocked, shocked, shocked, that a panel would tell him something other than his preconceived notions.

Comparison seemed apt.

Posted by: rebel flounder at August 25, 2015 05:18 PM (Vf5rR)

308 If Curt had tweeted about how evil white people are ESPN would have promoted him.

Posted by: Kenway at August 25, 2015 05:18 PM (qB3Ky)

309 Social science. It is perfectly in line with the best practices of that profession.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 25, 2015 05:13 PM (Xd2w5)

"Social Science" has "best practices?"

Huh. You learn something new every day.

Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 05:18 PM (JvPqF)

310 I gotta great neighbor, but he's a country club republican. I SO WANNA BUY a Caitlyn Jenner Halloween costume, stop shaving for a week, strap a 'I'm Trump Curious' banner across the front and watch his head asplode.

Yeah, he's pro illegal immigration. Guy spent his life protecting us against the communist menace and can't consider the fact that immigration without assimilation is invasion.

Posted by: se pa moron at August 25, 2015 05:18 PM (sI4OA)

311 *shoves third best flamethrower through USB port for VIA*

IT'S A TRAP!

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 25, 2015 05:18 PM (evdj2)

312 Ace was previously spreading FUD about Trump being a Christian In Name Only, but actually being an agnostic.

*********

Trump has said he's never asked God for forgiveness. Ergo, he is no Christian.

I'm not sure that matters re. the election.

I dunno what "FUD" is.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at August 25, 2015 05:18 PM (vgIRn)

313
283
Buzzion is dead?
Posted by: Soothie at August 25, 2015 05:13 PM (p0det)

I will be missed.

Posted by: Buzzion at August 25, 2015 05:19 PM (z/Ubi)

314 It seems more likely that Frank Luntz is looking to undo the damage he did, to Frank Luntz.

Posted by: rebel flounder at August 25, 2015 05:19 PM (Vf5rR)

315 damn shame about Buzzion...

Posted by: Abe Vigoda at August 25, 2015 05:19 PM (ZQfW9)

316 Well you know she has to keep the best one for herself. In case of spiders.
Posted by: Buzzion at August 25, 2015 05:15 PM (z/Ubi)

Shut up, Buzzion, you're dead.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2015 05:19 PM (2Ojst)

317 Either the Republican political leadership is incompetent or intentionally working to implement the same ideas as the left.

If the former they should personally be looking to resign and bring in more competent individuals as they look at the wreck our country has become under their leadership like Chamberlain handed the keys of state to Churchill after his abject failure in stopping Hitler.

[b[Instead the Republican leadership has fought harder against conservative challengers then they ever did against Obama - in fact showing a fair amount of competence in these challenges. Which indicates that they generally approve of the hard left, objectively fascist direction the country has moved in over these last few years.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 25, 2015 05:19 PM (78TbK)

318 >>>Unfortunately Ace is now in the same category with his most recent post on the subject.

Ace was previously spreading FUD about Trump being a Christian In Name Only, but actually being an agnostic.

Funny, that. Religious purity tests from the agnostic.

...

it's not my test, dude.

Another idiot. You're just trying to censor people from saying things that are true. Other people besides me noticed that Trump could not recall a single time he asked for God's forgiveness (which is actually the REQURED first step of becoming a Christian), and then, trying to fill time about God, talked aobut how beautiful his buildings were.

But instead of dealing with this FACT in an honest, mature way, you instead just attack the person saying it, hoping that if you make it emotionally painful enough to say it (that is, if you abuse him), he'll stop saying it.

Lotta censors here. The Conservatively Correct brigades will permit no off-message messaging.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 05:19 PM (dciA+)

319 305
Nevergiveup:

http://is.gd/pjJWgs

Spot the logical fallacies!

Is it just me, or is Schilling doing the "dick in a box" thing all wrong. I mean, narrow? Is that really the message you want to send?

Posted by: pep at August 25, 2015 05:19 PM (LAe3v)

320 You never see Luntz and Rove on the same TV set.... a plausible reason?......think Rove with a toupee'?......

Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at August 25, 2015 05:19 PM (Ac4TS)

321 I wrote Luntz off as a GOPe clown not so much from his Dunces, but his own whiney "people want Congress to stop fighting and do things", like a kid crying "I don't care, I just want Mommy and Daddy to stop fighting!"

Posted by: kbdabear at August 25, 2015 05:20 PM (I34cf)

322 "Social Science" has "best practices?"
Huh. You learn something new every day.
Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 05:18 PM (JvPqF)

Of course! Maintain funding, sir, maintain funding.

Posted by: Social Scientist at August 25, 2015 05:20 PM (0NdlF)

323 I want to see presidential candidates run on a platform that a vote for them is a no confidence vote for Boehner and McConnell. Make this real.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 25, 2015 05:20 PM (78TbK)

324 Jebs I was talking about Asians is the perfect illustration of the stultified inbred ideology of the the GOPe class.

They have to be taught a lesson, they need correction and nominating someone who isn't of their class is the correct move.

We have chosen the form of the destroyer.

Let's roll!!

Posted by: Kreplach at August 25, 2015 05:20 PM (eDW1j)

325 Gloriously off-topic.

http://is.gd/d8IpLB

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 25, 2015 05:01 PM (/kI1Q)

Thata building?

I already fucka her.

Shesa just okay.

Posted by: Paolo the Duplex at August 25, 2015 05:20 PM (0cMkb)

326 "Guys, you're supposed to be GOOD at this."

They suck.
They gave us McCain and Mitt.
They deserve to be sacked yesterday.

Posted by: navybrat at August 25, 2015 05:20 PM (JgC5a)

327 Buzzion has passed on, but it is almost as if he is still with us today.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 25, 2015 05:20 PM (8ZskC)

328 We were always told 3rd party never wins change the system from within. That doesn't seem to work either does it?
Posted by: just saying at August 25, 2015 05:14 PM (g0hKk)

You can't change the system until you can.

"Chance favors the prepared mind."

Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 05:20 PM (JvPqF)

329 R.I.P. Buzzion.

Posted by: eleven at August 25, 2015 05:20 PM (MDgS8)

330 280
"Where will it end?"

Been quite a day.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 25, 2015 05:13 PM (LA7Cm)

Yes it has. Has anyone written an Obit for Buzzion.
Oh, and I am not dead, just too damn sober. Damn diet.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 05:20 PM (0FSuD)

331 I have previously said -- and I've said this a dozen times before, especially in the 2007 amnesty fight -- that the Establishment in DC, paid millions and feted as gurus of the political pulse of the nation -- knows far, far less than the base than the average low-level blogger who bothers to read his comments and talk with them.

It's even worse than that. The Vichy GOP douchebags and their political "strategists" don't need to read any comments or anything. All they need to do is remember what the push for aid and comfort to illegals in 2006-2007 did to the GOP. It pretty much killed it DEAD. DEAD. One would have to be the biggest imbecile in the world not to have known that working for illegals is a death blow for any constituency of Americans - who actually like America.

The only thing that brought the GOP back from the dead was the existential threat to the nation that Barky posed and that BarkyCare brought to the fore. The Tea Party revived the GOP for the sole purpose of stopping Barky - specifically for repealing BarkyCare, but the first thing the Vichy GOP douchebags did after getting elected was to stomp all over the Tea Party and work their hardest to get golf rounds with the Indonesian retard.

The Vichy GOP has known exactly what the base wants and they have been determined to go against that - thinking that the base will have to (as McShame's mother put it) hold their noses and vote for the PiecesOS anyway. That is how a total loser and idiot like the Weeping Boner keeps getting re-elected to the Weepership even after he has had the most pathetic tenure one can imagine and has gone out of his way to piss off the base and help barky along.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 25, 2015 05:20 PM (MYSVz)

332 conservative monster,

how about we resolve this dispute by my linking the YouTube Clip of Trump saying he cannot ever remembering asking god to forgive him for his mistakes because he just doesn't make a lot of mistakes, and then I keep that sticky at the top of the blog for a week?

Will that settle the dispute, do you think?

Or would you just like to keep on attacking me for bringing up facts that are inconvenient to you?

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 05:20 PM (dciA+)

333 Luntz's latest poll confirms that hot college coeds prefer fat pasty guys.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 25, 2015 05:21 PM (oVJmc)

334 "Social Science" has "best practices?"

Yes. Whatever gets the next grant.

Posted by: pep at August 25, 2015 05:21 PM (LAe3v)

335 Unfortunately, poll results no longer mean "Here's what the people think." They mean "Here's what we want you to believe people think."

For a long time now, polls have been fake data, massaged data, data compiled from trick questions...

Pollsters are nothing more than advertising & P.R. men with a pretend coating of "science." They are opinion-makers for hire.

So it's no wonder these corrupt insects are astonished when they hit the windshield of reality.

Posted by: RKae at August 25, 2015 05:21 PM (erO8I)

336 Do any of you see this in the Democratic party? I haven't as of yet. The Dems feed their base shit and lies with a sprinkling of doom and they seem to eat it up and keep voting for the weasels.

Posted by: Cheri at August 25, 2015 05:21 PM (oiNtH)

337 I don't blame Luntz. At least he sees what his focus group is telling him.

Part of the problem is that the Republican establishment can't get their info on the base from traditional media sources. The Democratic establishment is connected because most of the media is in touch with their base.

Don't blame Luntz for finding the disconnect. Figure out how we can do a better job of getting our message through. I know they don't want to hear it, but at some point they will have to start paying attention if they want to keep winning. (Maybe this is part of the problem too--right now they are on a winning streak in elections outside of the presidency, and it's easy to ignore problems when you're winning.)

Posted by: Dave at August 25, 2015 05:21 PM (NL/S2)

338 A little sanitation needed for the Hitleresque comments on the Trump thread. Disgusting and unfunny.

posted by logprof

Someone wake me up.

When does Trump start his beer hall tour? Will his official campaign uniform be brown shirts?

Asking for a friend

Posted by: Nip Sip

Posted by: Roger1146 at August 25, 2015 05:22 PM (dqkrV)

339 But they all deserve the insults, at the very least.

No. Trump is just doing his version of schoolyard taunts. Everything's "classy" or "slob", "winner" or "loser". Luntz only crime was criticizing Trump. That's it. And for that he's villified.

Who are the left-wing losers who are being trashed by Trump? Who are his targets?

Who is actually doing the purging here?

Luntz clearly is a slob. he might be low class ... he might not, but he deserved the description anyway.

It's childish. It's not just unworthy of a presidential candidate. It's unworthy of a grown-up.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 25, 2015 05:22 PM (Xd2w5)

340 Mortimer Duke: Tell him the good part.

Randolph Duke: The good part, William, is that, no matter whether our clients make money or lose money, Duke & Duke get the commissions.

Mortimer Duke: Well? What do you think, Valentine?

Billy Ray: Sounds to me like you guys a couple of bookies.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 25, 2015 04:53 PM (TAzkM)

Better! Shorter! Duke on Luntz...
Mortimer Duke: Fuck him!

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at August 25, 2015 05:22 PM (JOG+K)

341 We were always told 3rd party never wins change the system from within.

Said the folks from the party founded as a third part, that displaced a worthless party that lacked any kind of moral courage whatsoever, and thus ascended from a band of political renegades to owning Congress and the White House within a span of six. Motherf***ing. Years.

Think about that.

If we'd started in 2010 like I said at the time we should have been, where would we be now?

They always choose the hard way, don't they?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 25, 2015 05:22 PM (9krrF)

342 I don't know how. I've yelled at RNC people polling/begging for money to the point they say "OK OK, I get what you are saying."

They thought they could ride it out ans still get our votes and our money. Even after a lower base vote for Romney while he crushed the "Independent" vote and lost spectacularly. It's not they are dumb or ignorant, they think we are stupid.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at August 25, 2015 05:22 PM (f+6Pd)

343 Luntz is the GOP's court astrologer.

You'd lose your head if the King didn't like your prophesies.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 25, 2015 05:22 PM (oVJmc)

344

I cannot believe someone hasn't said

They probably read only Gabe's posts/comments.

Now. I wouldn't say that. I like Gabe. I miss the Wednesday Hump Day video.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2015 05:22 PM (qCMvj)

345 Of our friend, Buzzion, I can say only this: Of all the souls I've encountered in my travels, his was the most *lip tremble* Buzzionest!

Posted by: James T. Kirk at August 25, 2015 05:22 PM (vgIRn)

346 Luntz's latest poll confirms that hot college coeds prefer fat pasty guys.

Also, 88 percent of them dig Opie Taylor haircuts on adult men.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 25, 2015 05:23 PM (8ZskC)

347 Lotta censors here. The Conservatively Correct brigades will permit no off-message messaging.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 05:19 PM (dciA+)

It's the zeitgeist.

Intolerance is the in thing.

Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 05:23 PM (JvPqF)

348 Luntz is behind the curve.

The Establishment already knew.

Posted by: Rick Tingles at August 25, 2015 05:23 PM (rd/Ra)

349 and can't consider the fact that immigration without assimilation is invasion.
___
So your population isn't literate right? Because we totally wrote some stuff about this.

Posted by: Some Roman after undocumented workers sacked Rome in 455 at August 25, 2015 05:23 PM (78TbK)

350 Or would you just like to keep on attacking me for bringing up facts that are inconvenient to you?

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 05:20 PM (dciA+)

Facts? Never heard of them.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at August 25, 2015 05:23 PM (0FSuD)

351
Shut up, Buzzion, you're dead.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2015 05:19 PM (2Ojst)

he got better...

Posted by: Shoey at August 25, 2015 05:24 PM (vA94g)

352 It's the zeitgeist.

Intolerance is the in thing.

Hell of a lot of anger right now. Focus is hard when that's the case. Lots of friendly fire casualties.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 25, 2015 05:24 PM (9krrF)

353 It is science.

Social science. It is perfectly in line with the best practices of that profession.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 25, 2015 05:13 PM (Xd2w5)

the softest of all social sciences, and designed to engineer opinions, not reflect them, but yes. Luntz does follow the "best practices" of his bullshit pseudo science.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 05:24 PM (AkOaV)

354 316 Well you know she has to keep the best one for herself. In case of spiders.
Posted by: Buzzion at August 25, 2015 05:15 PM (z/Ubi)

Shut up, Buzzion, you're dead.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2015 05:19 PM (2Ojst)

I think I'll go for a walk.

I feel happy.

I feel happy.

Posted by: Buzzion at August 25, 2015 05:24 PM (z/Ubi)

355 92 So I guess that Boehner and McConnell have murdered the GOP's chances at the Presidency. I'll bet they are not the least bit concerned about it.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 25, 2015 04:46 PM (evdj2)

They're going to get their pensions regardless. Boehner will have spray tan money for the rest of his life.

Posted by: nerdygirl at August 25, 2015 05:24 PM (+lVUW)

356
A short gif needs to be made of that link where the guy in the car calls Luntz an idiot.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 25, 2015 05:24 PM (ODxAs)

357
Either the Republican political leadership is incompetent or intentionally working to implement the same ideas as the left.

From where I'm standing they are both over there next to Uncle Joe and Al.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 25, 2015 05:25 PM (NaeCR)

358 I've had this nickname on this site for many many years.

Rather not change it.

Posted by: Village Idiot at August 25, 2015 05:25 PM (bf86X)

359 I would suspect that Luntz and the rest of the GOPe isn't just clueless, I think they willingly dismiss the critics an know-nothing rubes.

Yeah, ace has mentioned this tendency in some recent threads on Trump - that you can't just assume everyone thinks like you - but the GOP is just as guilty of this as a lot people who defend Trump.

The GOP, including the Luntzs, just assume they have to filter out this criticism, the "cranks" from the get-go, and then work on things with the remaining, carefully selected "sane" people.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 25, 2015 05:25 PM (NOIQH)

360 Do any of you see this in the Democratic party? I haven't as of yet. The Dems feed their base shit and lies with a sprinkling of doom and they seem to eat it up and keep voting for the weasels.

Posted by: Cheri

---

The Dem base is getting what it wants! Obamacare! Gay everything! Elementary school children being told there's no such thing as "boys" and "girls."

Why should they complain?

If only those of us on the right could be getting our views reflected by our elected politicians in such a consistent manner!

Posted by: RKae at August 25, 2015 05:25 PM (erO8I)

361 I think I'll go for a walk.

I feel happy.

I feel happy.
Posted by: Buzzion at August 25, 2015 05:24 PM (z/Ubi)

This won't end well.

Posted by: Eric Idle at August 25, 2015 05:26 PM (JvPqF)

362 why do people keep calling me 'the symptom'

Posted by: Thad Cochran at August 25, 2015 05:26 PM (W6iIX)

363 Buzzion has passed on, but it is almost as if he is still with us today.

It's down right creepy, it is.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 25, 2015 05:26 PM (evdj2)

364 Trump will never win anything, including the nomination. But, he is doing the Democrats a huge favor (purposely?). When he isn't the Republican nominee, how much of the grass roots will turn out for whoever IS the nominee? Yeah, that's right: none.

At least this bit about Lentz offers some hope. Maybe it will dawn on people in power that the Republican grass roots hates illegal immigration and Obamacare.

Posted by: Cygnus at August 25, 2015 05:26 PM (fdavN)

365 288 98Z, guess I'll just stare at that lake with you until this whole thing blows over.
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at August 25, 2015 05:14 PM (WjXce)

Safer, that way.

As long as the beer holds out.....

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at August 25, 2015 05:26 PM (yMVjf)

366
I think I'll go for a walk.

I feel happy.

I feel happy.
Posted by: Buzzion at August 25, 2015 05:24 PM (z/Ubi)

Yeah? wait till you get your FredoCare Bill....Your gonna wish your really were dead!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 05:26 PM (DUoqb)

367 I think I'll go for a walk.

I feel happy.

I feel happy.

Posted by: Buzzio

You aren't fooling anyone, you know.

Posted by: pep at August 25, 2015 05:26 PM (LAe3v)

368 Buzzion has passed on, but it is almost as if he is still with us today

I bid 3 quatloos for the locker contents!

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2015 05:26 PM (k+zgr)

369 Luntz's latest poll confirms that hot college coeds prefer fat pasty guys.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 25, 2015 05:21 PM (oVJmc)

-----------------------------------------

Luntz doesn't sound to be half as bad as people are letting on. As a matter of fact, I kind of like the guy. You go, Luntz.

Posted by: Soona at August 25, 2015 05:26 PM (P25Hh)

370 The GOPe shills who comment here know the score, what they do is insult those who tell them how the serfs feel, then shit on our plates and get mad that we aren't loving the brownies they made for us

Posted by: kbdabear at August 25, 2015 05:27 PM (I34cf)

371 104 My "Liberal" associates...see I did not say friends, since I have no liberal friends...think I would like Bush and Rubio. They have NO fuckin clue how us real Conservatives think. They really live in an alternative universe. A Bizzaro World
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 04:48 PM (DUoqb)

They also don't understand that today's liberal is very different from the JFK liberal.

Posted by: nerdygirl at August 25, 2015 05:27 PM (+lVUW)

372 >>>It is science.

Social science. It is perfectly in line with the best practices of that profession.
.
.
.While it may be best practice for that field, it is definitely not working out for them in polling results since 2012. They might want to rethink what the word Science actually means.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at August 25, 2015 05:27 PM (iONHu)

373
Wait?

someone is socking Buzzion?

Posted by: Thad Cochran at August 25, 2015 05:27 PM (W6iIX)

374 See, it's all about the "feelz."

GOPe has left people without anyone on the right they can believe in. Trump is doing well because they think that he cares for them, and is attacking and will punish the GOPe who doesn't care about their feels.

Of course, I don't trust Trump anymore than I trust the GOPe leadership.

Posted by: The Political Hat at August 25, 2015 05:27 PM (0TXlm)

375 You'll just have to get used to the idea that many other people here will be saying things that confuse you.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 05:06 PM (dciA+)

lol

me thinks Ace is actually in a good mood
this is funny sh*t

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2015 05:27 PM (qCMvj)

376
The real story with Luntz is that he completely missed the entire phenomenon of Trump.

Totally. Missed. It.

Never saw him him coming.

Posted by: GBruno at August 25, 2015 05:28 PM (u49WF)

377 368 Buzzion has passed on, but it is almost as if he is still with us today

I bid 3 quatloos for the locker contents!
Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2015 05:26 PM (k+zgr)

I bid 5 to NOT take the locker contents. Holy God, the smells emanating from that thing...

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2015 05:28 PM (2Ojst)

378 It's not they are dumb or ignorant, they think we are stupid.
***
And they should. As I keep pointing out;

In 2006 conservatives stopped amnesty.

In 2008 the GOPe ran John McCain one of the biggest amnesty shills in the Republican party.

In 2010 conservatives tried to stop Obamacare by giving the Republicans control of the House.

In 2012 the GOPe ran Mitt Romney, the architect of Obamacare V1.0.

The GOPe thinks they can do what they want and get conservative votes because that is what has in fact happened until this point.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 25, 2015 05:28 PM (78TbK)

379 conservative monster,

the video clip is now posted in the sidebar and will remain at the top for the rest of the week.

So, you did that, dude.

By calling me a liar, by claiming I was a propagandist, you got me to put up the proof of the truth of my statement.

So keep on trying to bully me into never saying anything bad about trump, and we'll see how it goes.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 05:28 PM (dciA+)

380 @357

Boehner saying he slept like a baby the night the SCOAMF was reelected should have been the tipoff.

Or maybe giving the SCOAMF everything he wants and brutally retaliating against any decent in the ranks should remove all doubt where leaderships sentiments lie.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 25, 2015 05:28 PM (eDW1j)

381 I don't blame Luntz. At least he sees what his focus group is telling him.

Posted by: Dave

---

The problem is: when they get info like this, they don't say, "How should we fulfill their wishes?" No. Instead, they say, "We need to stop this line of thought! Now!"

They knew from the TEA Party that conservatives were pissed. All the Establishment did was try to squish them.

Posted by: RKae at August 25, 2015 05:29 PM (erO8I)

382 I feel happy.

I feel happy.
Posted by: Buzzion at August 25, 2015 05:24 PM (z/Ubi)

It's that "out of body" thing.

Soon, you will be floating by the liquor store ........

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at August 25, 2015 05:29 PM (yMVjf)

383 You rubes are just too stupid to know what's good for you.

Posted by: Rick Wilson, GOP Strategist at August 25, 2015 05:29 PM (OD2ni)

384 >>Do any of you see this in the Democratic party? I haven't as of yet.

Yes, they're just better at hiding it.
Black Live Matter crew is pissed off at their own candidates, crashing Netroots Nation and rallies held by Bernie and Hillary.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 25, 2015 05:29 PM (NOIQH)

385 I bid 5 to NOT take the locker contents. Holy God, the smells emanating from that thing...
Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2015 05:28 PM (2Ojst)

How did he get hold of eu de barrel?

Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 05:29 PM (JvPqF)

386 Never saw him him coming.

Posted by: GBruno at August 25, 2015 05:28 PM (u49WF)

"Famous Quotes of Peter North's Co-Stars, Vol. 2."

Posted by: Just Some Guy at August 25, 2015 05:29 PM (vgIRn)

387 Frank Luntz works for them, not for the American People. He is beholden to them, not us. He is soooo one of them, he thinks the grassroots have abandoned the GOP! He could ask one question and get 10 different answers hundreds of times, because there are so many proper answers. The question is WHY?

For me, the final insult after all the other insults was Mississippi.

And yet, they probably figure that by next election they'll have the grassroots too scared to lose the "most important election of our lifetime."
Ha!
They are going to demand Loyalty from me? Show me where I signed away my free will and pledged fealty to a fucking political party.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 25, 2015 05:30 PM (kKHcp)

388 Is this really new? I remember thinking how dumb the consultants out of DC were when I worked with some of them back in the late 80s and early 90s. They only talked to each other. Never to the volunteer base of the candidate they had been dispatched to help and certainly not to the men and women in the general public.

Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at August 25, 2015 05:30 PM (lN30+)

389 Man, you people are rollin' today.

Posted by: simplemind at August 25, 2015 05:30 PM (5vV+V)

390 That Peggy Hubbard video is on FOX now.

You go Navy Girl

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 05:30 PM (DUoqb)

391 So, Buzzion , you survived my latest attack, did you? No matter , I will always be there, watching and waiting for you to let your guard down.

Posted by: Happy Fun Ball at August 25, 2015 05:30 PM (k8xvx)

392 386 Never saw him him coming.

Posted by: GBruno at August 25, 2015 05:28 PM (u49WF)

"Famous Quotes of Peter North's Co-Stars, Vol. 2."
Posted by: Just Some Guy at August 25, 2015 05:29 PM (vgIRn)

More like "Things Peter North's Co-Stars Never Said."

Posted by: Insomniac at August 25, 2015 05:30 PM (2Ojst)

393 I see dead morons.

Posted by: eleven at August 25, 2015 05:31 PM (MDgS8)

394 Yes, they're just better at hiding it.
Black Live Matter crew is pissed off at their own candidates, crashing Netroots Nation and rallies held by Bernie and Hillary.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 25, 2015 05:29 PM (NOIQH)

And, they have at their disposal actual thugs with actual clubs who will break actual kneecaps. This tends to keep people in line.

Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 05:31 PM (JvPqF)

395 Ace,

Trump does not fly off the handle. He does not even drink.

He's calling out megyn kelly and reminding folks what Fox tried to do to him, and successfully did to other candidates.

Know why? Bc Fox is hosting four or five other debates. This serves as a reminder to any "journalist" that he is not putting up with this shit. Good for him.

You could just view it as him being pissed, but everything he has done before is longball strategy. The guy taped o'reilly literally that day. What he's doing is very calculated imho.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 25, 2015 05:31 PM (VMZsK)

396 Of course, I don't trust Trump anymore than I trust the GOPe leadership.

***
And you shouldn't.

But if it does nothing else, and I'm not so sure that it won't, punishing the GOPe will teach them their is a price to be paid for treachery.

At this point I'd rather have President Sanders then President THE JEB.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 25, 2015 05:31 PM (78TbK)

397 Lotta censors here. The Conservatively Correct brigades will permit no off-message messaging.

ace, no one is censoring you. They're calling you out for obvious bullshit (namely the fact that you personally don't care whether Trump is Christian, you just thought the information gave you some leverage against us rubes). Crying for sympathy isn't improving your situation either, since no one's in a mood to feel sorry for much of anyone these days.

Posted by: Methos at August 25, 2015 05:31 PM (ZbV+0)

398 370 The GOPe shills who comment here know the score, what they do is insult those who tell them how the serfs feel, then shit on our plates and get mad that we aren't loving the brownies they made for us
Posted by: kbdabear at August 25, 2015 05:27 PM (I34cf)

With nuts?

Aww, fuck that. Even made me sick.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at August 25, 2015 05:31 PM (yMVjf)

399 Uh, why would they tell the people who are paying them something said people do not want to hear?

Posted by: Marooned Maroon at August 25, 2015 05:31 PM (hTHAs)

400 Trump is basically running 3rd party already - although he is nothing like the Tea Party folks.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2015 05:09 PM (qCMvj)

I think your last statement is largely true.

It will be interesting to see how the Republican Party fractures if
he is somehow headed off for the GOP Prez nomination and actually does
go independent. My guess is that it will be largely along the "Tea
Party" fracture line.

Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 05:12 PM (JvPqF)

**************************
Trump will implode because he can't get above 25-30%. But Ted Cruz may very well take up the outsider mantle all the way to the nomination. He's been running as an outsider since he began his Senate campaign. The GOPe may swallow their vomit and support him if he is the nominee. Reagan 1980.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 25, 2015 05:31 PM (5f5bM)

401 what is it with political courtiers and their legs

Posted by: Feh at August 25, 2015 05:31 PM (Uk9e2)

402 It's childish. It's not just unworthy of a presidential candidate. It's unworthy of a grown-up.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 25, 2015 05:22 PM (Xd2w5)

Luntz is an asshole. Seriously, watch this video from Penn & Teller's show Bullshit that I posted upthread.

http://tinyurl.com/q4ene2u

Listen to how Luntz describes himself and what he does for a living.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 05:31 PM (AkOaV)

403 At this point I'd rather have President Sanders then President THE JEB.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 25, 2015 05:31 PM (78TbK)

Bullshit. I hope you said that in jest or frustration?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 05:32 PM (DUoqb)

404 The thing is, it's not Trump supporters vs. the Establishment supporters.

I'm not supporting Trump, and I'm not supporting the Establishment, either.

I'm just gone, baby, gone, and I don't think I'm alone in that.

Posted by: Kensington at August 25, 2015 05:32 PM (7Kbxu)

405 It's childish. It's not just unworthy of a presidential candidate. It's unworthy of a grown-up.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 25, 2015 05:22 PM (Xd2w5)

Meh. But I do agree with you that I'd like to see more grown-up language - like some real cursing and pointed vitriol towards those who certainly deserve it.

One of the biggest problems we have with the lowlifes in our political class, these days, is that people give them respect that they don't deserve. It helps no one to treat a subhuman turd like a thinking person, especially when that turd is actively working to destroy what little is left of our very society - the nation is already toast, but now they are targeting the society, itself.

If people had addressed Barky as he truly deserved - as the inept, incompetent, America-hating retard that he clearly is - then a lot of this damage might have been averted. But those who treated the lowlife, 84 IQ POS with "respect" did a great deal of damage to society by lending credibility to a POS who deserves nothing but scorn, derision, and insults.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 25, 2015 05:32 PM (MYSVz)

406 What I think is sad about all this shit is that the money has become such a huge factor that candidates have to listen to donors.

Pay to play is not new, but it is now the rule.

Crony capitalism has really really fvcked up the party. Even flame throwers like Cruz have to do the dance at these events.

This is not new. You all are to young to remember Goldwater. We went through this same shit in 1964 from the Rockefeller East Coast RINO's

Don't forget Goldwater nominated a New York congressman as his VP, because? East Coast money. Then they completely abandoned Goldwater

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 05:32 PM (0FSuD)

407 So somewhere in the Consultant Class, there are people being paid to see what the "buzz" is.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 04:39 PM (dciA+)

Come for the buzz, stay for the links to boob pics

Which is probably all they really look at anyway

Posted by: kbdabear at August 25, 2015 05:32 PM (I34cf)

408 My theory on the establishment's fear of the Tea Party is simply this; those bastards know what they do everyday and they know what they deserve as a consequence of their actions. They were afraid the Tea Party was going to give it to them and that is why they painted the movement as violent when it was anything but. The guilty flee when no man pursueth.

And thus they gave birth to the monster that is Trump. We tried to be nice to them, but now it is time unleash the Kraken.

Posted by: Thatch at August 25, 2015 05:32 PM (pBZp4)

409 Methos,

well you can enjoy the clip in the sidebar that will be at the top for the rest of the week, and ruminate upon it.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 05:32 PM (dciA+)

410
Of course, I don't trust Trump anymore than I trust the GOPe leadership.
This is the best argument for Trump, actually. The alternatives are not good either. Which is to say, its not a very good argument, and can I please get another beer. Stat!

Posted by: simplemind at August 25, 2015 05:33 PM (5vV+V)

411 390 That Peggy Hubbard video is on FOX now.

You go Navy Girl
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 05:30 PM (DUoqb)

It went nuts on my FB page 3 or 4 days ago. Everyone is sharing it.

Careful with them e-mails, Doc.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at August 25, 2015 05:33 PM (yMVjf)

412 Spot the logical fallacies!
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier
--------------------------------
Not NGU, but for the 3 points about this Ben guy's article:

1) idiot seems to be implying "I don't *like* to think there are so many millions of extremists, therefore there aren't that many, even though they advocate killing civilians that don't meet their religious requirements". He then undermines his own argument by noting that Nazi membership was not synonymous with support. So you're saying an even smaller number of Germans supported the Nazis, and yet their regime still managed to seize power? And although ISIS isn't a democracy, Iran and Iraq are.

2) So being an ESPN anchor means you don't have the right to an opinion? What about turds like MSNBC who are supposed to be impartial journalists, and yet are partisan to the highest degree? You're obviously ok with that, Ben.

3) Ignore the actual argument and attack the man. He might just be a collector or history buff. Would you also argue that Bob Filner, Anthony Weiner, Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton are not feminists, because of the way they treated women? Of course not. You'd point out their support of policy or what they said about policy.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at August 25, 2015 05:33 PM (E5UB0)

413 Trump will implode because he can't get above 25-30%. But Ted Cruz may very well take up the outsider mantle all the way to the nomination. He's been running as an outsider since he began his Senate campaign. The GOPe may swallow their vomit and support him if he is the nominee. Reagan 1980.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 25, 2015 05:31 PM (5f5bM)

This would be one of the more optimistic and favorable scenarios, I grant you--especially if your last two sentences would ensue.

Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 05:34 PM (JvPqF)

414 Four lockers.

Posted by: Picard at August 25, 2015 05:34 PM (W5DcG)

415 A little sanitation needed for the Hitleresque comments on the Trump thread. Disgusting and unfunny.

posted by logprof

Someone wake me up.

When does Trump start his beer hall tour? Will his official campaign uniform be brown shirts?

Asking for a friend

Posted by: Nip Sip

Posted by: Roger1146 at August 25, 2015 05:34 PM (dqkrV)

416 And yet, they probably figure that by next election they'll have the
grassroots too scared to lose the "most important election of our
lifetime."
***
Yet somehow with an R congress nothing changes. Hell, at the current pace we will be imprisoning Christians for their beliefs within the next President's term.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 25, 2015 05:34 PM (78TbK)

417 >>In your mode of thinking, either everything someone does is GOOD and RIGHT, or everything someone does is BAD and WRONG.

It seems that you have not even entertained the possibility that
someone like me could judge some things Trump does to be good and right,
and other things to be bad and wrong (and counterproductive, and
self-sabotaging, and self-beclownging).

- Ace

Not so. You lump many into one and single that one aggregate person's perceived mode of thought for argument. I cannot speak for others.

It might surprise you that I don't fit into your perceived mode of thought. If you ever cared to inquire beyond just the low-thinker insults.

There are many valid criticisms of Trump, and you may even hit on them every now and again. Not every one is outta the park. I'll even acknowledge them or offer them in the first instance.

My position is to wait and see what becomes of Trump. I don't see the need to tear a guy down over BS crap (Is a twitter squabble BS?) at ever instance, primarily because he isn't your guy, because he is stealing the oxygen in the room from your candidate, because you think his play at this instant does not fit with your perceived master plan for sweeping the field in 2016, or because you think you have the finger on the pulse of the election a year out.

Remember the preference cascades and the polling being biased/wrong in 2012?

Give it time; let it play out. If Trump burns out, will he have done a service or a disservice to the country before that time? Too early to tell.

Posted by: rebel flounder at August 25, 2015 05:34 PM (Vf5rR)

418
the final insult after all the other insults was Mississippi.

.....
dude, really?
I'm an insult?

Whut do you mean Eric Cantor lost?

sheesh, a guymarries his secretary and now I get this

Posted by: Thad Cochran at August 25, 2015 05:34 PM (W6iIX)

419 I don't get all this animus for Luntz. Other than his occasional gig on Fox, it's only the asshole...er...professional political class he's been ripping off all these years. Considering who he's been screwing over all this time, I say good for him.

Posted by: Ken in NH at August 25, 2015 05:34 PM (MqjGP)

420 Posted by: prescient11 at August 25, 2015 05:31 PM (VMZsK)

Where have you been? You missed earlier thread where ace explained Trump to everyone.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 05:35 PM (0FSuD)

421 Dear Ace --

Trump is not my "biggest hero"

I am Cruz voter through and through.

But I have been totally disgusted at the lies used by the media to smear trump.

Kelly just came back from vacation and devoted the whole first part of her show to trashing Trump, getting two of her guests to do the same.

But somehow you omitted that key fact when complaining about Trumps insults of Kelly, acting as if they were totally unprovoked when the opposite is true.

You have stooped to the same low that much of the media pundits have.
And I care far more about it when you do it, because I am devoted fan of you and your site and have been for many years (do a search for my posts I go back forever on here).

I don't give a crap when most of the media pundits do it because I don't expect integrity from them, omitting context and caveats to support whatever opinion they are pushing.

Posted by: Village Idiot at August 25, 2015 05:35 PM (bf86X)

422 whether or not it matters to me doesn't matter -- I've SAID I don't give a shit about this, but other people do.

It is interesting to other people, ergo, it is newsworthy and interesting.

I never claimed my vote would turn on it.

But look how eager you little Censors are to claim that I must have "lied" somehow here, claiming that "I care very much about Trump's relationship with God."

I said no such thing. In fact, I said the opposite.

But you know this hurts him, so you look for some way to shoot the messenger, to convince him to shut up.

Well go fuck yourselves. The proof of the statement will now be advertised prominently for the rest of the week.

Keep on doing this same bullshit to everyone who says something negative about Mr. Trump and we'll see if censorship wins.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 05:35 PM (dciA+)

423 Also, Trump has made Luntz his "boy" and rightly so, for Luntz's comments at Koch gathering.

He threatened Luntz's livelihood. Expect every Luntz poll to reflect sympathy for Trump from now on. Luntz's legs are shaking bc he's afraid Trump will expose his ass and ruin his "objective" cred which is a lie.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 25, 2015 05:35 PM (VMZsK)

424
Someone wake me up.

When does Trump start his beer hall tour? Will his official campaign uniform be brown shirts?

Asking for a friend

Posted by: Nip Sip

Posted by: Roger1146 at August 25, 2015 05:36 PM (dqkrV)

425
Careful with them e-mails, Doc.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at August 25, 2015 05:33 PM (yMVjf)

Yeah I know. I am pretty careful but do have to think when I copy and paste. it's kinda funny.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 05:36 PM (DUoqb)

426 Ok, who killed Buzzion? Now we have to order a Hellion to replace him, and do you know how expensive they are? Well do you?!

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at August 25, 2015 05:36 PM (uhftQ)

427 Bullshit. I hope you said that in jest or frustration?
***
Nope. I didn't vote for Mittens and I'm not going to vote for THE JEB either. If that is the slate on election date I will encourage my friends and family to go third party.

The best way to end the uniparty is to stop voting for it.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 25, 2015 05:36 PM (78TbK)

428 Ace, on Trump's answer on forgiveness. Maybe , just maybe, he was rejecting the question by not answering it with vigor. What a bullshit question to ask someone. I can never imagine Obama or Hillary, or Kerry, or any Donk a thoughtful question about their religiosity or their personal prayers to God. So Trump MAY have done what I do when I get asked stoopid questions that I immediately flag as leading or inappropriate or a great set-up for a fun answer, because I don't give a shit who is asking or I want to trigger a reaction. In the main, who cares if he passes a purity test as a Christian ?

After these years of a Dem party hell bent on destroying the country and instituting their will at every level regardless of law or the constitution, what difference, at this point, does it make? The GOPe have shown themselves as completely feckless if not willful collaborators. The line has been crossed.

Posted by: Yip at August 25, 2015 05:36 PM (e7T6D)

429 now is there any objection to my linking a true fact, a video clip of Trump's words?

What's your next claim about it? What's your next attempt to get people to shut up about it?

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 05:37 PM (dciA+)

430 I'm enjoying the SMODness of Trump and sticking it to the GOPe, but shudder to think of who he would appoint to SCOTUS if elected.

Posted by: lymond at August 25, 2015 05:37 PM (DcPHq)

431 Well go fuck yourselves. The proof of the statement will now be advertised prominently for the rest of the week.

Keep on doing this same bullshit to everyone who says something negative about Mr. Trump and we'll see if censorship wins.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 05:35 PM (dciA+)

Er . . . you misspelled "Streisand" in the sidebar.

Don't hurt me!!!

Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 05:38 PM (JvPqF)

432 And I actually have contempt for some of the comments that Luntz's Dunces crapped out. Congress does nothing? Good! Nowadays that's much better than doing something. If only this Congress did nothing rather than carrying water for Obama! Same with "Gridlock."

Posted by: Kensington at August 25, 2015 05:38 PM (7Kbxu)

433 I'm sorry but I have no idea what GOPe means. Somebody please enlighten me. Please and thank you.

Posted by: Northernlurker at August 25, 2015 05:38 PM (4rzL1)

434 Now we have to order a Hellion to replace him, and do you know how expensive they are?

I will name him George, and I will hug him and pet him and squeeze him.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 25, 2015 05:38 PM (evdj2)

435 Shame has been used to shut the country up. Fighting back against shaming is difficult but when a point is reached it just doesn't work anymore. The Democrats have used shame, er, shamelessly. The Republicans do it too and directing shame at people who have been dunked in shame for the past six years by the great shamer is just too much. Unjust shame results in anger. The Bernie-ites are being shamed too and they are angry also so it really is systemic. Shaming people who don't want to give up their jobs, taxes, medical care, security for a foreign invasion from the south is not producing the expected results of shutting them up with sullen acquiescence. The popularity of a man running for office who says "Shame on me? Shame on you @$$hole!" is going to throw the elites who rely on social shame and big money for control off their preferred and easy tactics. They still have money but the continued shaming of the United States is coming to an end.

Posted by: Lester at August 25, 2015 05:38 PM (2UPXV)

436 >>Trump will implode because he can't get above 25-30%. But Ted Cruz may very well take up the outsider mantle all the way to the nomination

I could see that happening.

Here's the thing, though: how many people who were attracted to Trump merely for the "Fcuk you, GOPe" factor, will come back into the fold? Again and again, the GOPe and conservative press tell these people they're stupid and unwelcome.

The VA and SC primary "loyalty oath" shenanigans won't hurt Trump (only Trump can do that, depending on how he reacts) - but there's a greater message they're broadcasting to GOP primary voters: "We don't think you deserve the option to register your displeasure. We are going to force you to do what we think is best for you rubes, so get over this silly tantrum and vote for one of our approved candidates."

That crap pisses me off.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 25, 2015 05:38 PM (NOIQH)

437 Roger -- I'm not the boss of you, but you can stop doing that now.

It's very irritating.

Posted by: eleven at August 25, 2015 05:38 PM (MDgS8)

438 This would be one of the more optimistic and
favorable scenarios, I grant you--especially if your last two sentences
would ensue.

Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 05:34 PM (JvPqF)

I still like Walker the best because he is proven as a governor, but I could see Cruz building a successful outsider campaign like he did in Texas. He's been really careful not to say anything negative about Trump.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 25, 2015 05:38 PM (5f5bM)

439 In a just-released statement, Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump immediately responded to a statement released by Roger Ailes Tuesday by disputing the Fox News chiefs defense of Megyn Kelly as a quality journalist.

I totally disagree with the FOX Statement, Trump writes. I do not think Megyn Kelly is a quality journalist. I think her questioning of me was unfair. Hopefully in the future I will be proven wrong and she will be able to elevate her standards to a level of professionalism that a network such as FOX deserves.

New Red Meat for Ace

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 05:38 PM (DUoqb)

440 At this point I'd rather have President Sanders then President THE JEB.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 25, 2015 05:31 PM (78TbK)

Cutting off your nose to spite your face?

I'd never purposefully try to get someone like Sanders elected. After all you may end up punishing GOPe, but I'd prefer to not join in that same punishment.

I'd rather vote 3rd party of "None of these candidate"

Posted by: The Political Hat at August 25, 2015 05:38 PM (0TXlm)

441 I'm enjoying the SMODness of Trump and sticking it to the GOPe, but
shudder to think of who he would appoint to SCOTUS if elected.
___
I concur!

Posted by: Harry Blackmun at August 25, 2015 05:38 PM (78TbK)

442 I gain a great deal of comfort from the irony that the Establishment types have supported open primaries as a tool for pushing aside conservative candidates, yet it's very likely that open primaries will benefit Trump this time.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at August 25, 2015 05:39 PM (2SbkI)

443 That level of ignorance is pretty common among upper management. I found it rare for an executive type to talk to workers, even in small companies. All they needed to do was drop into offices or get out on the floor and talk to people, but it seldom happened. They managed abstractions that only existed on paper.

Posted by: charris at August 25, 2015 05:39 PM (2hI19)

444 Luntz is just not good. His questions are condescending as shit. If I was in his studio I would tell him he is full of shit.

Why Fox thinks he is entertaining I have no idea. Filler?

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 05:39 PM (0FSuD)

445 You're just trying to censor people from saying things that are true.

Ace, please do explain how I as a lowly commenter can censor you from saying anything you want on your own blog.

Trump's answer smacks of cultural Christian - go to church on Easter and Christmas, be a part of the community, tune out the pastor.

He didn't give a nice Sunday School answer for a Proper Christian. But having *you* as an agnostic tell me that us Proper Christian-y types should care about this carries little weight, because *you* don't care either. *You* care less than Trump does.

Not being a Proper Christian has not stopped men from becoming president. We know Obama and who he is. We also have reports that Lincoln, first Republican president, was a skeptic/scoffer going into the presidency and perhaps throughout; Thomas Jefferson freaking cut passages out of the Bible because he didn't like them. We are no stranger to unProper Christians getting the presidency.

It came off as Conservative Concern, ace.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 25, 2015 05:40 PM (0NdlF)

446 Here's the thing, though: how many people who were
attracted to Trump merely for the "Fcuk you, GOPe" factor, will come
back into the fold? Again and again, the GOPe and conservative press
tell these people they're stupid and unwelcome.

The VA and SC primary "loyalty oath" shenanigans won't hurt Trump
(only Trump can do that, depending on how he reacts) - but there's a
greater message they're broadcasting to GOP primary voters: "We don't
think you deserve the option to register your displeasure. We are going
to force you to do what we think is best for you rubes, so get over this
silly tantrum and vote for one of our approved candidates."

That crap pisses me off.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 25, 2015 05:38 PM (NOIQH)

Being called a "wacko bird" by McCain and getting everybody pissed off by fiibustering against Obamacare wins points. I think Ted knows something most of the rest of them don't.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 25, 2015 05:40 PM (5f5bM)

447 I'd rather vote 3rd party of "None of these candidate"
***
I wrote;

" If that is the slate on election date I will encourage my friends and family to go third party."

So are you agreeing with me?

Posted by: 18-1 at August 25, 2015 05:40 PM (78TbK)

448 To give Luntz just a moment's glimmer of human compassion: if you come out of a room filled with twenty or so mad-as-hell people who are not the little least bit afraid to tell you so in very colorful language, it's possible your legs might be a bit unstable for a moment or two, too.

Now, it's certainly an egregious violation of the Man Code to admit such a reaction . . .

Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 05:40 PM (JvPqF)

449 JFTR, Ace,

I agree with you. I think Trump is probably an Agnostic or "at best" a cultural Christian and yes, other Christians besides me were nonplussed by the fact that he's never asked God for forgiveness and refers to going to church for his "cracker and juice" which is a really dismissive way for a Christian to talk about holy communion even if they are not from a sacramentally high church church. I don't need for a candidate to be a Christian to vote for them, but I don't like the cavalier way he talks about his faith if it is supposedly important to him.

One website (First Things?) talks about Trump and and Norman Vincent Peale and "The Power of Positive Thinking". Its dismissive of course, but its contains some truth there. Trumps likes Peale. I think, because he talks about "rising from failures" and not letting things get you down." I think NVP was pretty orthodox but his books don't emphasize that.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 25, 2015 05:40 PM (OSs/l)

450 "The political class is useless and must be swept away, completely."

Amen.

They don't see it because they CHOOSE not to see it. It's like the pinkos that deny any fault of their cult leader oblahblah or their failed cult of socialism. They CHOOSE not to see things that break that bubble.

It has been right in front of their eyes (the gope); Rasmussen was talking about the "political class" and the difference in how they see things from how the taxpayer sees things as early as 2010.

Now as to HOW to sweep them away (which means out of the burro-cracy, out of education, out of media), well, I don't discuss that publicly, and I don't even know if it's possible

Posted by: Grad School Fool at August 25, 2015 05:40 PM (A9KzJ)

451
This lady on Hannity right now who is going all soft on illegals in vomit inducing.
vluuut !!!!

Posted by: Yo! at August 25, 2015 05:40 PM (W6iIX)

452 Nothing says "sticking to the establishment" like rallying behind a guy who supports:

Single Payer Healthcare
TARP
Assault Weapon Ban
Crony Capitalism
Using eminent domain to transfer property from citizens to developers
Taxpayer funding for Planned Parenthood
Amnesty for the "good" or "great" illegals

Yeah, Trump is TEA Party to the core.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at August 25, 2015 05:41 PM (e/W+h)

453 I'd never purposefully try to get someone like Sanders elected.

I'd rather vote 3rd party of "None of these candidate"
Posted by: The Political Hat

Six of one. Seven of nine.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 25, 2015 05:41 PM (W5DcG)

454 >>>It's childish. It's not just unworthy of a presidential candidate. It's unworthy of a grown-up.

Puh-leeze. Don't you think we're well past the point where we worry about the finer points of etiquette?

All I want to know is, what will your policy decisions be? If you can't even bring yourself to lie to me, why the heck should I bother with you? That's where we are with the GOPe.

As Les Grossman said, they are nutless monkeys. Trump is Les Grossman with hair.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at August 25, 2015 05:41 PM (E5UB0)

455 >>Why Fox thinks he is entertaining I have no idea. Filler?

I suppose so.
*cough*

Posted by: Fox Body Language Expert at August 25, 2015 05:41 PM (NOIQH)

456 I'm enjoying the SMODness of Trump and sticking it to the GOPe, but shudder to think of who he would appoint to SCOTUS if elected.

Probably some a-hole like Roberts.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 25, 2015 05:42 PM (ODxAs)

457 "I'm enjoying the SMODness of Trump and sticking it to the GOPe, but shudder to think of who he would appoint to SCOTUS if elected."

He just go full SMOD and appoint Ric Flair. WOOOOO!!

Posted by: Benji Carver at August 25, 2015 05:42 PM (OD2ni)

458 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 25, 2015 05:20 PM (MYSVz)

Oh, yes, you're so proud of the "Vichy GOP" moniker.

So clever. Why, you repeated it three times in one post

What a classless slob.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 25, 2015 05:42 PM (Xd2w5)

459 Ya know geraldo almost makes me like Juan Williams

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 05:42 PM (DUoqb)

460
I still like Walker the best because he is
proven as a governor, but I could see Cruz building a successful
outsider campaign like he did in Texas. He's been really careful not to
say anything negative about Trump.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 25, 2015 05:38 PM (5f5bM)

That's sort of my take, but Walker has been less that ready for prime time. Cruz is my far the smartest of the lot, but he's a preacher's son and he preaches.

Could we get him a face lift? Sorry, but his face just cries out to be bashed.

Could he at least get a little sun tan?

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 05:42 PM (0FSuD)

461 A little bit off topic, but is it a thing if the Stock Market loses 11% in six days?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 25, 2015 05:42 PM (VPLuQ)

462
BTW - trump not going to win or lose on social issues or where he goes to church, he's been married quite a few times, donated to PP etc. If he has a shot its because he leverages immigration into the failing economy and the clueless politicians Selling Out the country for money.
Its possible. he's got to ride the wild horse a loooong time however.

Posted by: simplemind at August 25, 2015 05:42 PM (5vV+V)

463
When does Trump start his beer hall tour? Will his official campaign uniform be brown shirts?

Asking for a friend

Posted by: Nip Sip

Posted by: Charles Godwin at August 25, 2015 05:42 PM (dqkrV)

464
GOPe
=GOP establishment

Posted by: Yo! at August 25, 2015 05:42 PM (W6iIX)

465 ace, you don't understand where I'm coming from at all if you think I'd be upset by you posting Trump's video up in the sidebar.

Thank you for proving my complete inability to censor you, however. Do you still think of me as one? I can switch nics.

Posted by: CensorMonster at August 25, 2015 05:42 PM (0NdlF)

466 "The group was not a representative sample of the Republican party, or
early state voters, as all of them had been selected because they like
(or love) Trump and live in Washington or its suburbs in Maryland and
Virginia."

So, a focus group composed entirely of Trumpkins hates the Republican party? Did Luntz also find out that water is wet?

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 25, 2015 05:42 PM (ljZD2)

467 I still like Walker the best because he is proven as a governor, but I could see Cruz building a successful outsider campaign like he did in Texas. He's been really careful not to say anything negative about Trump.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 25, 2015 05:38 PM (5f5bM)

Despite some of the baying naysayers, I also still have Walker on my "acceptable" list along with Cruz. I choose to focus on who I DO find acceptable rather than obsess over those I don't want to win. It's my preferred style, although I have occasionally been known to get down into the mud and wrestle with the pigs.

Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 05:43 PM (JvPqF)

468 I'm enjoying the SMODness of Trump and sticking it to the GOPe, but shudder to think of who he would appoint to SCOTUS if elected.

Posted by: lymond at August 25, 2015 05:37 PM (DcPHq)

Pffft.

Posted by: Chief Justice of the Supreme Court John Roberts at August 25, 2015 05:43 PM (0cMkb)

469 461 A little bit off topic, but is it a thing if the Stock Market loses 11% in six days?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 25, 2015 05:42 PM (VPLuQ)

No it isn't, you stupid panicky sister-humping toothless redneck retard!

Posted by: ooM ooM .rM at August 25, 2015 05:43 PM (2Ojst)

470 A trump inaugural party would be YUUUUUUUUGEEE!

Posted by: simplemind at August 25, 2015 05:43 PM (5vV+V)

471 Oh, yes, you're so proud of the "Vichy GOP" moniker.

So clever. Why, you repeated it three times in one post

I would have written it five times but my fingers got tired.

What a classless slob.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 25, 2015 05:42 PM (Xd2w5)

That's the spirit!

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 25, 2015 05:43 PM (MYSVz)

472
464
GOPe
=GOP establishment
Posted by: Yo! at August

Ah. Thanks.

Posted by: Northernlurker at August 25, 2015 05:43 PM (4rzL1)

473 >>>Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic

This is what you're missing. Illegals are an existential issue. If we don't address this soon, we won't be able to reform anything, ever. Can you understand that?

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at August 25, 2015 05:44 PM (E5UB0)

474 A little bit off topic, but is it a thing if the Stock Market loses 11% in six days?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 25, 2015 05:42 PM (VPLuQ)

Totally China's fault. Totally.

Posted by: The Media at August 25, 2015 05:44 PM (JvPqF)

475 404 The thing is, it's not Trump supporters vs. the Establishment supporters.

I'm not supporting Trump, and I'm not supporting the Establishment, either.

I'm just gone, baby, gone, and I don't think I'm alone in that.
Posted by: Kensington at August 25, 2015 05:32 PM (7Kbxu)

yep, people thought buzzion was dead, but he wasn't, he was just pinin' for the fjords.

I don't care about the Republican Party anymore, I'd light that 'mother up and laugh like a maniac as I watched it burn.

Trump, Ham Sammich, who freakin' cares, all I care about is teaching those a-holes that we aren't their bitches anymore.

Posted by: Shoey at August 25, 2015 05:44 PM (vA94g)

476 When does Trump start his beer hall tour? Will his official campaign uniform be brown shirts?

This country started in a beer hall.

Posted by: Mike Rowe at August 25, 2015 05:44 PM (g0hKk)

477 A little bit off topic, but is it a thing if the Stock Market loses 11% in six days?

Is talking down the summer of recovery six a crime? Because it should be!

Posted by: The Left at August 25, 2015 05:44 PM (78TbK)

478 Posted by: Village Idiot at August 25, 2015 05:35 PM (bf86X)

uh, a search of your hash goes back a few months and only shows a couple of dozen posts...

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 05:44 PM (AkOaV)

479 Conservative Monster,

So, instead of proposing a counterargument about THE ACTUAL ISSUE, you chose to insult me and impute bad faith.

Gee I wonder why. Probably because it's easier, and you think it's more effective.

Well, now you know it's not more effective.

STOP TRYING TO SHUT DOWN TRUE-BUT-DAMAGING INFORMATION ABOUT TRUMP FROM BEING DISCUSSED WITH INSULTS AND ATTACKS, OR I SWEAR, WE WILL HAVE A *GREAT DEAL* OF DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.

You can argue about things *WITHOUT TURNING EVERYTHING INTO A PERSONAL ATTACK AGAINST THE PERSON SAYING SOMETHING YOU DISAGREE WITH.*

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 05:44 PM (dciA+)

480 Northernlurker, GOPe - Grand Old Party establishment.

The powers that be that "run" the party.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 25, 2015 05:44 PM (k+zgr)

481 @452

PLEASE. Stop it with the facts.

You left out statehood for Washington DC

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 05:44 PM (0FSuD)

482
I think many people don't understand the true meaning of politics, which is:

To give people the worst best option possible

I'm serious. The establishment's only claim to fame, in either party, frankly, is the retort of, "what are you going to do, vote for the other party?"

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 25, 2015 05:45 PM (urv6T)

483 I think Trump is probably an Agnostic or "at best" a cultural Christian

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 25, 2015 05:40 PM (OSs/l)

Someone who states a belief in god/God is by definition not agnostic, and definitely not Agnostic.

Trump can be a very bad Christian ... but that is not the same thing as not being a Christian at all.

Posted by: CensorMonster at August 25, 2015 05:45 PM (0NdlF)

484 people thought buzzion was dead, but he wasn't, he was just pinin' for the fjords.

That is an ex-commenter.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 25, 2015 05:45 PM (evdj2)

485 >>Being called a "wacko bird" by McCain and getting everybody pissed off by fiibustering against Obamacare wins points. I think Ted knows something most of the rest of them don't.

Agreed. I've always liked Walker and Cruz, and both have shown the ability to push back against progressives.
But their party is alienating potential GOP voters with the way they're playing games with the primary ballots and Trump.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 25, 2015 05:45 PM (NOIQH)

486 very simple point:

Some of us here are to discuss and find out what other people REALLY think;

and other people are here to PROPAGANDIZE, to "shape the narrative," to set the boundaries of discussion, etc.

Fuck you. I'm one of the people here to discuss, and so are most people, and i will not have a vibrant comment area turned into a sterile hack-propagandist shithole by a bunch of ignoramuses determined to "shape the memes" one post at a time.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 05:46 PM (dciA+)

487 Was Trump attacked by Kelly on her show?

Posted by: Positive Waves at August 25, 2015 05:46 PM (MQEz6)

488 Lotta censors here. The Conservatively Correct brigades will permit no off-message messaging.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 05:19 PM (dciA+)

See? I told you this is the ruin of our country!

Posted by: Donald Trump at August 25, 2015 05:46 PM (Vf5rR)

489 Puh-leeze. Don't you think we're well past the point where we worry about the finer points of etiquette?
___
Something a typical white person who was acting stupidly would say while sticking to his bible and guns.

Posted by: Barack Obama at August 25, 2015 05:46 PM (78TbK)

490 I love it when Ace gets into the flame wars. Get 'em Ace!

Posted by: Chris M at August 25, 2015 05:46 PM (k3w9p)

491
Interesting thought. A man with considerable expertise in managing bankrupt businesses as President of a thoroughly bankrupt country.
Its not like he hasn't been in that negotiating position before.

Posted by: simplemind at August 25, 2015 05:46 PM (5vV+V)

492 Posted by: Charles Godwin at August 25, 2015 05:42 PM (dqkrV)

You have posted my comment eight times now.

Thanks. What's your point, you want a brown polo shirt?

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 05:46 PM (0FSuD)

493
Ace is losing it. Again.

Take a break, bro. I'm going to Five Guys for a cheeburger and fry. Suggest you do the same.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at August 25, 2015 05:47 PM (p0det)

494 Hoooeee! Epic rant in the side bar Ace!

Posted by: maddogg at August 25, 2015 05:47 PM (xWW96)

495 I dream of a modified electoral system that allows the voter to vote either FOR a candidate or AGAINST a candidate. I would never vote for Trump, but I'd love to vote against Sanders. If I could simply remove one vote from the Democrat tally, that would be enough.

If enough people did that, you could have people winning elections merely by having the least negative final tally. Imagine that! Imagine some jackhole like Elizabeth Warren talking about a mandate when she wins -999,000 to Jeb's -1,100,000 final vote.

Posted by: Kensington at August 25, 2015 05:47 PM (7Kbxu)

496 >>>So, a focus group composed entirely of Trumpkins hates the Republican party? Did Luntz also find out that water is wet?
-Strumpetdiddler

If a yuuuge segment of former GOPers are turning to Trump, don't you think it's logical for the GOPe to finally getting around to figuring out why that is, you retarded douchebag shill?

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at August 25, 2015 05:47 PM (E5UB0)

497 >>>
Take a break, bro. I'm going to Five Guys for a cheeburger and fry. Suggest you do the same.

fuck you.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 05:47 PM (dciA+)

498 "We don't think you deserve the option to register your displeasure. We are going to force you to do what we think is best for you rubes, so get over this silly tantrum and vote for one of our approved candidates."

That crap pisses me off.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 25, 2015 05:38 PM (NOIQH)

exactly what Luntz et al aren't getting
great example

Hows about a little integrity and leadership.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2015 05:48 PM (qCMvj)

499 Well, looks like the Airing of Grievances is in full swing. Must be ELECTION SEASON.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 25, 2015 05:48 PM (oVJmc)

500 From the beginning I hated that smarmy cock$ucker. I didn't even need Roddy Piper's Sunglasses.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 25, 2015 05:48 PM (4BnzD)

501 I won't vote for another Bush. Fuck him! and Fuch the Rebublcan paryt.

Posted by: Jack at August 25, 2015 05:48 PM (53CCM)

502
btw, Ace, if you can take a minute from insulting and haranguing your readers, please unban Backwardsboy. He's waiting..

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at August 25, 2015 05:48 PM (p0det)

503 Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 05:32 PM (dciA+)

I'll never watch it because it isn't relevant.

I'd prefer a candidate who will fix things, but I'm limited to Cruz or Jindal by that standard. And it's pretty clear I can't have either of them.

So, I am acting on my second priority: break a lot of things. I am reasonably confident Trump will do that if he treats Pelosi, Roberts, and McConnell the same way he treats gnats like Kelly and Luntz.

His faith or lack thereof doesn't affect that calculation. His trustworthiness or lack thereof doesn't affect that calculation. The only thing that could make Trump less appealing is if he started apologizing to those sorts of people.

Posted by: Methos at August 25, 2015 05:48 PM (ZbV+0)

504 Take a break, bro. I'm going to Five Guys for a cheeburger and fry. Suggest you do the same.

fuck you.
Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 05:47 PM (dciA+)

Laughing my ass off here. You never tell someone who is hot to cool off. Just adds gas to the fire.

Posted by: Mike Rowe at August 25, 2015 05:48 PM (g0hKk)

505 I dream of a modified electoral system that allows the voter to vote either FOR a candidate or AGAINST a candidate.

Posted by: Kensington at August 25, 2015 05:47 PM (7Kbxu)

That's a really great idea. I like that.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 25, 2015 05:48 PM (MYSVz)

506

If the GOPe were interested in advancing conservative goals, but thought Trump was a clown independent of those ideas - which he is kind of championing (now) - they would be *very* clear to attack Trump and not those supporting him.

But that is not what they are doing is it?

Posted by: 18-1 at August 25, 2015 05:48 PM (78TbK)

507 "No it isn't, you stupid panicky sister-humping toothless redneck retard!"

It isn't?

Oh, good.

Thank you, Sir.

Imagonna go back to humping your sister now, if you don't mind.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 25, 2015 05:48 PM (VPLuQ)

508 444 Luntz is just not good. His questions are condescending as shit. If I was in his studio I would tell him he is full of shit.

Why Fox thinks he is entertaining I have no idea. Filler?
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 05:39 PM (0FSuD)

No!

Luntz is there to craft the message. to make public opinion.

He tries to elicit the "right" answer by selecting the "right groups" and phrasing questions in ways to elicit certain responses.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 05:49 PM (AkOaV)

509 Was Trump attacked by Kelly on her show?

Posted by: Positive Waves at August 25, 2015 05:46 PM (MQEz6)

Physically. She actually lept out of her chair across the desk and began mauling him with her . . . attributes.

Must-see TV. Ace has it up on the sidebar right now. I may be mistaken about that.

Posted by: The Media at August 25, 2015 05:49 PM (JvPqF)

510
Unless you already did. Then, never mind.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at August 25, 2015 05:49 PM (p0det)

511
Trump will implode because he can't get above 25-30%. But Ted Cruz may very well take up the outsider mantle all the way to the nomination.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon

Guy at 30% in the polls is a gonner, guy at 5% is the horse to pick.

'kay.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 25, 2015 05:49 PM (kdS6q)

512 "487 Was Trump attacked by Kelly on her show?"

I didn't watch it but I hear she continued FOX's war of attrition on Trump while rooting for Bush or Kasaich.

I really don't watch Kelly, never really did but it would get pretty boring if she is towing the GOPe lines in support of the 4 paragraph candidates but only because I read their talking points throughout the day on slow days.

Posted by: Drider at August 25, 2015 05:49 PM (6Xbsz)

513 Guys, i forgot, is Trump's ceiling 15? Or was it 20? Wait consultants said 25? Oh, now it's 30. But there is NO way he goes to 35 amirite? Anything beyond that is "crazy" whackobird talk...

New national poll has him topping 40. Megyn Kelly can suck it and she better know her fucking place next time she "moderates" a debate.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 25, 2015 05:49 PM (VMZsK)

514 I leave to go vote and run errands. And ... never mind. I really don't want to know what caused the meltdown.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 25, 2015 05:49 PM (3UF/W)

515 >>>btw, Ace, if you can take a minute from insulting and haranguing your readers, please unban Backwardsboy. He's waiting..

i'm not harranguing readers, I'm harranguing specific in-the-bag propagandist commenters who meet every single statement about trump they don't like not with a counter-argument, but with a personal insult.

And go fuck yourself, as I said earlier.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 05:49 PM (dciA+)

516 That grievance is too large. Perhaps that smaller irksome over there. Or you could give me a few months to get back in shape.

Posted by: Fat Hercules at August 25, 2015 05:50 PM (evdj2)

517 Damn Media, getting in the way of a cheap joke. As always.

Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 05:50 PM (JvPqF)

518 Alright, which one of you morons gave the Ewok a pink belly?

He seems awfully techy today.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 25, 2015 05:50 PM (0cMkb)

519 STOP TRYING TO SHUT DOWN TRUE-BUT-DAMAGING INFORMATION ABOUT TRUMP FROM BEING DISCUSSED WITH INSULTS AND ATTACKS, OR I SWEAR, WE WILL HAVE A *GREAT DEAL* OF DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.

You can argue about things *WITHOUT TURNING EVERYTHING INTO A PERSONAL ATTACK AGAINST THE PERSON SAYING SOMETHING YOU DISAGREE WITH.*

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 05:44 PM (dciA+)

Wait I have to turn the hearing aid up..what what?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 05:50 PM (DUoqb)

520
Ace must be on the low glycemic diet again.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at August 25, 2015 05:50 PM (p0det)

521
"I will name him George, and I will hug him and pet him and squeeze him."

Just don't break him!

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at August 25, 2015 05:50 PM (0x/TW)

522 502

btw, Ace, if you can take a minute from insulting and haranguing your readers, please unban Backwardsboy. He's waiting..

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at August 25, 2015 05:48 PM (p0det

Ace answered that last thread and said BB was not banned and that it must be something on his end.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 05:51 PM (0FSuD)

523 Keep on doing this same bullshit to everyone who says something negative about Mr. Trump and we'll see if censorship wins.

You are such a child.

Posted by: Methos at August 25, 2015 05:51 PM (ZbV+0)

524 nip sip,

i cannot think of any other means I would have to ban him.

he also says he's still banned on another computer... which seems impossible.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 05:51 PM (dciA+)

525 You need to press your Caps Lock key again.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 25, 2015 05:51 PM (4BnzD)

526 Ya know geraldo almost makes me like Juan Williams
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 05:42 PM (DUoqb)

yep

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2015 05:52 PM (qCMvj)

527 >>>You are such a child.

go fuck yourself, as previously suggested. You are not trump, and you do not get to Defend Trump's Honor with personal insults just because someone has said something negative about him.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 05:52 PM (dciA+)

528
Any GOPe consultant that reads this thread may get a clue. But they would likely say its just anecdotal. It is. But it is not. It is a wide cross section of people in the real world too.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 25, 2015 05:52 PM (ODxAs)

529 ace, regarding the Trump and God item in the sidebar, what is so damaging about it?

Posted by: Positive Waves at August 25, 2015 05:53 PM (MQEz6)

530 so methos am I lying about that clip now?

Or did I say something true, which you didn't like, and were trying to get me to stop saying by pouring abuse on me?

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 05:53 PM (dciA+)

531 CENSORSHIP!

I AM BEING CENSORED BY MY VERY OWN READERS

AND IF YOU DONT LIKE IT , FUCK YOU TOO

GOOD DAY SIR

Posted by: a drama queen at August 25, 2015 05:53 PM (dqkrV)

532 So, instead of proposing a counterargument about THE ACTUAL ISSUE, you chose to insult me and impute bad faith.

"Not being a Proper Christian has not stopped men from becoming president. We know Obama and who he is. We also have reports that Lincoln, first Republican president, was a skeptic/scoffer going into the presidency and perhaps throughout; Thomas Jefferson freaking cut passages out of the Bible because he didn't like them. We are no stranger to unProper Christians getting the presidency.

It came off as Conservative Concern, ace. "

@124, ace:
http://minx.cc:1080/?post=358600
Now none of this bothers me, but christians should also gut-check themselves and decide, sooner rather than later, if they can support a non-Christian for President.

I repeat my question from that thread: like Romney?

Posted by: CensorMonster at August 25, 2015 05:53 PM (0NdlF)

533 Jack is Back! (From the Backroads of Flanders)
OT: Remember when Hillary was a Goldwater Girl?

... 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at August 25, 2015 05:53 PM (H5dz3)

534 Guy at 30% in the polls is a gonner, guy at 5% is the horse to pick.

'kay.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 25, 2015 05:49 PM (kdS6q)

Ask Presidential nominees Cain, Bachmann, and Perry. BTW, Cruz started at 2% in his Senate campaign.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 25, 2015 05:53 PM (5f5bM)

535 Can someone help me find the snark button on my laptop?

Posted by: Yo! at August 25, 2015 05:53 PM (W6iIX)

536 LOL at the sidebar.

Posted by: dude guy at August 25, 2015 05:53 PM (q177U)

537 Throw the GOP Establishment down the well, so my country can be free. You must grab him by his horns, and then we have a big party.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 25, 2015 05:54 PM (4BnzD)

538 Ya know geraldo almost makes me like Juan Williams

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 05:42 PM

Almost....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 25, 2015 05:54 PM (AqaiB)

539 Gee this Trump guy sure raises a lot of emotion around here.

But for the record and I have said it before, for what it is worth:

Trump Towers has the nicest, cleanest, friendliest Public Bathrooms in the City. And that ain't no little thing.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 05:54 PM (DUoqb)

540 524
nip sip,

i cannot think of any other means I would have to ban him.

he also says he's still banned on another computer... which seems impossible.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 05:51 PM (dciA+)

Maybe he foolishly downloaded Win 10 and blew up his computer?
I haven't but for some reason the videos you post don't show up on firefox, but do on Chrome. To many add on's I guess?

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 05:54 PM (0FSuD)

541 Ace,

Of course there are legit critiques of Trump. And your right he probably is not a go everyday Christian. So he better have the basics down. Good point.

But his mama had him in church, a real church, every Sunday when he was a kid. Trust me, that alone will give him all the Bible learning he'll need to pass muster.

FFS, we had eight years of a guy whose pastor was screaming God damn America DAYS after 9/11. I think he'll be fine.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 25, 2015 05:54 PM (VMZsK)

542 "I will name him George, and I will hug him and pet him and squeeze him."
___
Dammit my name is Jeb. Why does everyone think I'm the same guy as my brother?

And related to nothing else, honest, I brought a fresh bucket of amnesty to the party guys!

Posted by: Jeb Bush at August 25, 2015 05:54 PM (78TbK)

543
Its a cray cray situation that's for sure. Trump. Wow. Just wow. I hope they do indict cankles andknock her out of the race. Otherwise,if she wins the election I just might have to take up smokingmeth.

Posted by: simplemind at August 25, 2015 05:55 PM (5vV+V)

544 538 Who do I have to blow around here to get unbanned?

Posted by: Thin Veneer Of Civility at August 25, 2015 05:54 PM (XzRw1) Hide posts from (XzRw1)

Posted by: Grump928(c) reposts, For Great Justice at August 25, 2015 05:55 PM (evdj2)

545 >>>ace, regarding the Trump and God item in the sidebar, what is so damaging about it?

are you a Christian? Asking for God's forgiveness is foundational to most denominations of the religion as a first step. Even in other versions where such an affirmative step isn't required, it is still commonplace to ask for God's forgiveness for your sins.

If you've committed any, and if you actually believe in God.

Trump said something like "I guess I just don't make many mistakes," which is a very strange thing for a Crhistian to say, as Christians are well aware they've sinned a lot, and are in need of god's salvation trhough the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

Just seems like these basic concepts are wholly alien to him.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 05:55 PM (dciA+)

546
Seriously, bro, the burgers at Five Guys are amazing.

Remember Eddie Murphy's bit about how excited kids get when they are going to McDonalds? Five Guys does that to adults.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at August 25, 2015 05:55 PM (p0det)

547 We'll see how any of these "voters" actually show up in the snow and single digit temperatures for 5 hours next February in Iowa. Until then, it's all bullshit posturing and narrative shaping.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 25, 2015 05:55 PM (ljZD2)

548 he also says he's still banned on another computer... which seems impossible.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 05:51 PM (dciA+)

I occasionally get a message that says "this IP address is banned" on my handheld, but then repost the same post, and it usually works.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 25, 2015 05:55 PM (5f5bM)

549 I actually think well of Frank Luntz. When you hit him often enough with the clue bat, he is capable of actually getting a clue.

That makes him enormously more perceptive than the rest of the GOP establishment.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at August 25, 2015 05:55 PM (QHgTq)

550 The big question in my mind is whether or not Trump is good for us all, or the "bad thing" that comes when all hope is lost.

Luntz has no clue that this is a genuine concern ... a genuine worry for the state of our country.

I love America and am not convinced that Trump does. But I AM willing to be convinced by Trump that he has our better interests in sight.

It is great to see Luntz confront genuine, righteous American anger. I doubt he is man enough to explore the roots of rage. We are. Enough of all the political pandering. I say we get angry enough to force a candidate with the will and determination to do what we want all the way to the nomination and to the Presidency.

Posted by: Frankns at August 25, 2015 05:55 PM (GYiI6)

551 Since this worked so well with my wife:

Y'all need to calm the fuck down.

Posted by: blaster at August 25, 2015 05:55 PM (ZFt7y)

552 Of course, republicans also promised the wrath of ORCA to demolish the left and we all know how that turned out. Luntz is a feature, not a bug.

Posted by: Ever at August 25, 2015 05:55 PM (QZdJj)

553 359
I would suspect that Luntz and the rest of the GOPe isn't just clueless,
I think they willingly dismiss the critics an know-nothing rubes.

Yeah, ace has mentioned this tendency in some recent threads on
Trump - that you can't just assume everyone thinks like you - but the
GOP is just as guilty of this as a lot people who defend Trump.

The GOP, including the Luntzs, just assume they have to filter out
this criticism, the "cranks" from the get-go, and then work on things
with the remaining, carefully selected "sane" people.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 25, 2015 05:25 PM (NOIQH)

There's quite a bit of that going around.

Posted by: Donald Trump at August 25, 2015 05:56 PM (Vf5rR)

554 Ace,

Remember back in grade school and high school and college....the people who really got off on the silly class and school officer crap? They were a bit....awkward and not overly bright. Sure, there are exceptions to that assumption, but for the most part they were not geniuses.

They became our political class. Overachievers who rapidly proved the Peter Principle, but because in government there is no accountability, they kept rising and rising.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 25, 2015 05:56 PM (Zu3d9)

555 Seriously, bro, the burgers at Five Guys are amazing.

I prefer Bagger Daves, but you probably don't have that out there.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 25, 2015 05:56 PM (/kI1Q)

556 Now none of this bothers me, but christians should also gut-check
themselves and decide, sooner rather than later, if they can support a
non-Christian for President.

I repeat my question from that thread: like Romney?

True dad and the Mohammedan Obama

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 05:56 PM (0FSuD)

557 I guess I just don't make many mistakes," which is a very strange thing for a Crhistian to say
___
Yeah, I would never tell my followers I've made a mistake.

Posted by: Barack Obama at August 25, 2015 05:57 PM (78TbK)

558 Did Ace pick up on my mention of the Bobs, or was that picture always there?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 25, 2015 05:57 PM (oVJmc)

559 " My "Liberal" associates...see I did not say friends, since I have no liberal friends...think I would like Bush and Rubio. They have NO fuckin clue "

Wow, how weird is that .... I had that exact same conversation a few weeks ago. I laughed at him and asked him if that was what NPR had told him.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 25, 2015 05:57 PM (go6ud)

560 >>>Ace,

Of course there are legit critiques of Trump. And your right he probably is not a go everyday Christian. So he better have the basics down. Good point.

But his mama had him in church, a real church, every Sunday when he was a kid. Trust me, that alone will give him all the Bible learning he'll need to pass muster.

FFS, we had eight years of a guy whose pastor was screaming God damn America DAYS after 9/11. I think he'll be fine.

...

well i've said, for my part, I don't really care about this.

What I do care about is my autonomy. I am tired of the Speech Police. I am tired of being attacked by enraged partisans, on either side of the aisle, for daring to say things they don't like

The proper response to the expression of an idea is another idea, not some kind of put-down.

So I take your argument as you intended it -- as an argument, which I'm perfectly fine with.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 05:57 PM (dciA+)

561 Since this worked so well with my wife:

Y'all need to calm the fuck down.
Posted by: blaster at August 25, 2015 05:55 PM (ZFt7y)

We are calm, Ba'al-damn-it! YOU calm down, sphincter-breath!

Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 05:57 PM (JvPqF)

562 "Dammit my name is Jeb. Why does everyone think I'm the same guy as my brother?

Jeb...even your Mamma knows you're not the same

https://youtu.be/ukhPyRIDiV4

Autoplay warning

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 25, 2015 05:57 PM (VPLuQ)

563 Since this worked so well with my wife:

Y'all need to calm the fuck down.

Your sister does this .. thing .. with her tongue ...

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 25, 2015 05:57 PM (evdj2)

564 Go Cruz! Jindal too.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at August 25, 2015 05:57 PM (0x/TW)

565 So here's the Kelley file last night forwarded to the Trump segment. You can judge for yourself if Trump's tweets were justified, but I'm not seeing it. https://youtu.be/WEghKkoPBzk?t=1066

Posted by: lymond at August 25, 2015 05:57 PM (DcPHq)

566 >>> Did Ace pick up on my mention of the Bobs, or was that picture always there?

it was there from pretty early. It occurred to me the moment after I hit post. I added it seconds after the first posting.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 05:57 PM (dciA+)

567 Did Ace pick up on my mention of the Bobs, or was that picture always there?
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 25, 2015 05:57 PM (oVJmc)
Yes.

Posted by: The Oracle of Delphi at August 25, 2015 05:57 PM (JvPqF)

568 Well having been on a low glycemic diet it does tend to make one rritable-at least initially.

And whoever it was who told you to get a cheeseburger, Ace, I think meant it kindly. I think you work very hard and I appreciate that and enjoy your posts, but having to read the latest political horrors and make insightful comments multiple times a day must be tiring. I don't know if you need a cheeseburger but a break might be good. It is summer., after all

You can tell me to f**** off, but I'd be grateful if you didn't just because it hasn't been a good week thus far.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 25, 2015 05:58 PM (OSs/l)

569
We'll see how any of these "voters" actually show up in the snow and single digit temperatures for 5 hours next February in Iowa.

Yes, just you wait and see how many "voters" show up to vote for any of the Republicans.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at August 25, 2015 05:58 PM (p0det)

570 That Ace, he's good.

Posted by: The Oracle of Delphi at August 25, 2015 05:58 PM (JvPqF)

571 The canary in the coal mine for Trumpmania? David Brat. Totally unknown college professor, had no money, beat the tar out of Majority Leader Eric Cantor in one of the reddest districts in VA, as "safe" a seat as there was. How'd he do it? Illegal immigration. Cantor, formerly a reliable conservative, became more and more establishment as he rose in the House leadership, ultimately developing the assigned mush-mouthed stand on immigration that was infuriating even his most ardent supporters...using liberal Dem euphemisms like 'comprehensive immigration reform', a 'path to citizenship', and other political cheez whiz. I would not be at all surprised if Trump and his posse studied Brat's campaign, saw that Republicans and conservatives were completely nauseated by establishment GOPers' refusal to simply call for protecting the border and enforcing, vigorously, immigration law.

Posted by: BCVA at August 25, 2015 05:58 PM (kvcG+)

572 As I said before they've been relatively kind to Trump based on what they can say about his past. I expect they won't hold back now.

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 25, 2015 05:58 PM (kvhal)

573 Guy at 30% in the polls is a gonner, guy at 5% is the horse to pick.
'kay.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix

I have never been below 33%... oh wait you're not talking about me.

But history has shown your sarcasm to be wrong before. Remember Herman Cain? The establishment Romney as we know won the nom. The establishment Jeb is likely to win out based on history. I myself will be voting no contendre.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 25, 2015 05:58 PM (ODxAs)

574 Trump holds grudges. That alone is a sin and requires him to ask for forgiveness, and he is required to forgive those who antagonize him.

Posted by: maddogg at August 25, 2015 05:58 PM (xWW96)

575 But, seriously, Luntz should never work in this town again if it took him until today to figure out that the base is pissed off at the establishment.

Remember the Tea Party? Good Gawrsh, Levin is on every weeknight at 6 pm. Too late in the day? Try Beck in the morning, or Limbaugh in the afternoon.

It's free research.

Posted by: blaster at August 25, 2015 05:59 PM (ZFt7y)

576 At least this bit about Lentz offers some hope.
Maybe it will dawn on people in power that the Republican grass roots
hates illegal immigration and Obamacare.

Posted by: Cygnus at August 25, 2015 05:26 PM (fdavN)

They could maybe address that in their BS 2016 GOP Platform document.

Posted by: Donald Trump at August 25, 2015 05:59 PM (Vf5rR)

577 I neither support nor condemn the keeper of the rug of doom.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 25, 2015 05:59 PM (4BnzD)

578 Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 05:51 PM (dciA+)

I
occasionally get a message that says "this IP address is banned" on my
handheld, but then repost the same post, and it usually works.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 25, 2015 05:55 PM (5f5bM)

This does not sound good. ace, someone's filter must have the site down as hazardous. Sounds like something a democrat would do to the site. I had the same problem once when an asshole reported our mail as spam.

Pixy needs to check on it.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 05:59 PM (0FSuD)

579
Cruz started at 2% in his Senate campaign.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon

The Irish bookies have Cruz at 25/1. Feel free to withdraw the 401k, make a bet and get rich.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 25, 2015 05:59 PM (kdS6q)

580 hey I thought the Dow was suppose to soar today? Doo Doo promised me?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 05:59 PM (DUoqb)

581 Good to meet you. Hope you guessed my name.

Posted by: Ferguson at August 25, 2015 05:59 PM (bG658)

582
it was there from pretty early. It occurred to me the moment after I hit post. I added it seconds after the first posting.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 05:57 PM (dciA+)

Well I mentioned it at #22, so prob GMTA.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 25, 2015 06:00 PM (oVJmc)

583 Off combover sock.

OT: Who was the guy that came up with the ASCII Perry emoticons?

We need some Trump emoticons.

Posted by: rebel flounder at August 25, 2015 06:00 PM (Vf5rR)

584
fuck you.
Posted by: ace

Ace hates these cheeseburgers!

Posted by: Navin Johnson at August 25, 2015 06:00 PM (p0det)

585 The Irish bookies have Cruz at 25/1. Feel free to withdraw the 401k, make a bet and get rich.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 25, 2015 05:59 PM (kdS6q)

you could do worse in today's market?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 06:00 PM (DUoqb)

586 I think I'll go for a walk.

I feel happy.

I feel happy.
Posted by: Buzzion
--------------

They walk among us.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 25, 2015 06:00 PM (9mTYi)

587 >>>Since this worked so well with my wife:

Y'all need to calm the fuck down.

...

I personally need the Firebrand Divison of the Trump supporters to stop attacking everyone who says something negative about trump.

And I further need that in a I'll-ban-you-for-it way.

This has gotten out of hand. Enthusiasm is one thing, but attacking people for not sharing your enthusiasm is another.

People are permitted to disagree with you -- and in fact 75% of the party does disagree with you (to one extent or another).

Meet anti-trump statements with defenses or pro-trump statements, but STOP ATTACKING people.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 06:00 PM (dciA+)

588
"The proper response to the expression of an idea is another idea, not some kind of put-down."

You are correct. However, such a thing requires thought, and effort.
So bite me butt breath.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at August 25, 2015 06:00 PM (0x/TW)

589 "It seems that you have not even entertained the possibility that someone
like me could judge some things Trump does to be good and right, and
other things to be bad and wrong"

That might have something to do with your actual written words.
Trump's Officially a Temper-Tantrum Throwing Idiot Who Just Can't Put on His Big Boy Pants
I mean, whoever could get the idea that you had a firmly established
negative opinion of Trump devoid of nuance apparently based on (of all things) his dealings with a newswoman? And you didn't mention her initiation or "provocation" at all in your post, implying that either you didn't know about it or left it out on purpose. VI apparently believes the latter. It's a reasonable conclusion.

Aside, your responses smell of the same sort of high-handedness everyone is busy condemning in 'the Establishment.' And around here, you're the Establishment. Arrogant, sarcastic insults do nothing to mend the proverbial fence.

Huh. Meta.

Posted by: Oh who cares at August 25, 2015 06:00 PM (8nJ78)

590 Back in the day when "the Fred" was running. He went to a Gun Range to talk with the voters in TN. Do you think any GOP "Ruling Class" would do that today?

Posted by: Paladin at August 25, 2015 06:01 PM (LtaK3)

591 524 nip sip,

i cannot think of any other means I would have to ban him.

he also says he's still banned on another computer... which seems impossible.

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 05:51 PM (dciA+)

BackwardsBoy uses a url in his name. Several sites get flagged as being spammed and banned. So for instance you cannot use a YouTube page or your Twitter account in the url because those are banned. Tell BackwardsBoy to try clearing the url line of his name and see if that fixes the problem.

Posted by: Buzzion at August 25, 2015 06:01 PM (F0AUY)

592 All is well! All is well!

http://tinyurl.com/78r523q

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 06:01 PM (0FSuD)

593 hey I thought the Dow was suppose to soar today? Doo Doo promised me?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 05:59 PM (DUoqb)

I think it did, until Reality whapped the market players upside the head in the last couple of hours.

Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 06:01 PM (JvPqF)

594 Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 05:55 PM (dciA+)

Well, I think he said something more like he doesn't ask for forgiveness, but tries to do better and accepts Communion as a cleansing act.

I just don't see too many Christians being very upset with him about this answer.

I am not a Christian, but I was one long ago and keep up with Christian matters here and in other arenas.

Posted by: Positive Waves at August 25, 2015 06:01 PM (MQEz6)

595
no Bagger Daves up here

Posted by: Navin Johnson at August 25, 2015 06:01 PM (p0det)

596 BackwardsBoy uses a url in his name. Several sites
get flagged as being spammed and banned. So for instance you cannot use a
YouTube page or your Twitter account in the url because those are
banned. Tell BackwardsBoy to try clearing the url line of his name and
see if that fixes the problem.

Posted by: Buzzion at August 25, 2015 06:01 PM (F0AUY)

Good advice from a dead guy.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 06:02 PM (0FSuD)

597 I think it did, until Reality whapped the market players upside the head in the last couple of hours.
Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 06:01 PM (JvPqF)

that's why you don't count your chips till the fat lady sings

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 06:02 PM (DUoqb)

598 In addition to the idea that theologically speaking a "sin" is a more than mistake. It would be sort of interesting to know what Trump thinks of not making an "mistakes" in regard to a relationship with God

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 25, 2015 06:02 PM (OSs/l)

599 Ace hates these cheeseburgers!
Posted by: Navin Johnson at August 25, 2015 06:00 PM (p0det)

Ace Can Not Haz Cheezburger.

Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 06:02 PM (JvPqF)

600 Blaster:

Y'all need to calm the fuck down.

The Blog Whisperer

Posted by: JohnnyBoy at August 25, 2015 06:03 PM (WjXce)

601 GOPe and the Consultants: LoFo 2.0

Posted by: eureka! at August 25, 2015 06:03 PM (g1MTt)

602
Tell BackwardsBoy to try clearing the url line of his name and see if that fixes the problem.

If it's something that simple, then Backwardsboy is too stupid to post here. Oh wait...

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical design at August 25, 2015 06:03 PM (p0det)

603 Good advice from a dead guy.
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 06:02 PM (0FSuD)

Tech advice from beyond the grave, here at AoSHQ.

Impressive.

Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 06:03 PM (JvPqF)

604 personally i am just glad Ace is here and commenting. it's must more interesting when we don't have absentee ownership.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 06:03 PM (DUoqb)

605 Pixy needs to check on it.
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 05:59 PM (0FSuD)

I get banned occasionally because my IP address ends up in a block of IPs that get identified as spam.

I think spammers buy up or hack large amounts of IP addies all at once and sometimes a legit addie gets flagged.

Pixy told me that himself, and I have had issues on other sites, not just this one.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at August 25, 2015 06:03 PM (in4mh)

606 Never take advice from a dead guy.

Posted by: eleven at August 25, 2015 06:03 PM (MDgS8)

607 It's too bad this thread got this huge before I could jump in, but Ace's
comment about "low level bloggers" really jumped out at me. I have read
Hot Air's comments for a loooooong time (since 2007 or so) and there is
what I like to call "The Litany" from GOP supporters. It goes as
follows:

"Conservatives are a super-tiny minority. They are
.0000000000001% of the population. Their views are outdated and
bigoted. Conservatives can't win elections. No rational person believes
in "conservatism" anymore anyway and it can't even be defined. Hot Air
is not America and is not representative of anything but an ultra-tiny
minority of extremists. All your heroes are frauds, thieves, and
hucksters who are just swindling you for a dollar. Palin is a fraud.
Gingrich is a fraud. Jim DeMint is a fraud. Ted Cruz is a fraud. Donald
Trump is a fraud. Obamacare is untouchable; get used to it. Taxes are
going up; get used to it. Mature adults don't oppose Obamacare or
amnesty."

And on and on. You get the picture.

So when you
have a consultant class that believes conservatives are a tiny and
shrinking minority of wackos who just haunt blog comments and that no
rational person opposes liberal policy, of course they're going to be
flatfooted when it turns out conservatives do, in fact, actually exist,
and do, in fact, actually vote in large numbers.

Posted by: Doomed at August 25, 2015 06:04 PM (LRuoq)

608 No Cheese Burger for you.

Posted by: The Cheese Burger Nazi at August 25, 2015 06:04 PM (4BnzD)

609 hey I thought the Dow was suppose to soar today? Doo Doo promised me?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 05:59 PM (DUoqb)

Wall Street is just trying to force the PBOC to lower interest rates another 1/2%.

None of these market moves matter, at all. It's nothing but central banks pullings strings and printing cash. Until that ends, the rest is just kabuki Markets.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 25, 2015 06:04 PM (MYSVz)

610 You cannot be a Christian without acknowledging sin. All are sinners save one. And Trump isn't Jesus.

Posted by: maddogg at August 25, 2015 06:04 PM (xWW96)

611
"They walk among us."

Shoot it in the head!

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at August 25, 2015 06:04 PM (uhftQ)

612 Luntz is there to craft the message. to make public opinion.

He tries to elicit the "right" answer by selecting the "right groups" and phrasing questions in ways to elicit certain responses.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 05:49 PM (AkOaV)

exactly, or as another commenter astutely noted "Luntz is a fag and he's shits is all fucked up"

Posted by: Shoey at August 25, 2015 06:04 PM (vA94g)

613 are you a Christian? Asking for God's forgiveness is foundational to most denominations of the religion as a first step.

If you want to dive into theology ...

"What do you think? A man had two sons. And he went to the first and said, 'Son, go and work in the vineyard today.' And he answered, 'I will not,' but afterward he changed his mind and went. And he went to the other son and said the same. And he answered, 'I go, sir,' but did not go. Which of the two did the will of his father?"

You've put a premium on words, ace. Words are important ... but there's more to a Christian life than a gotcha from a single interview.

Posted by: CensorMonster at August 25, 2015 06:05 PM (0NdlF)

614 Ace does not want haz cheezburger!

Posted by: eleven at August 25, 2015 06:05 PM (MDgS8)

615 You cannot be a Christian without acknowledging sin. All are sinners save one. And Trump isn't Jesus.
Posted by: maddogg at August 25, 2015 06:04 PM (xWW96)

Ah Point of Parliamentary Order from one of the House Jews!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 06:05 PM (DUoqb)

616 " If that is the slate on election date I will encourage my friends and family to go third party."

So are you agreeing with me?

Posted by: 18-1 at August 25, 2015 05:40 PM (78TbK)

I've voted 3rd party before, even for President. It was due to a combination of just how beyond the pale a nominee is, how great a threat the Dem would be in office, and the likelihood of my vote mattering.

For President, it comes down to SCOTUS. There will likely be a bunch of openings by the end of the next term. With a Republian, it'll be a crap shoot between a Kennedy and a Thomas; with a Democrat it'll be total Prog. 100% of the time.

I trust Trump least amongst all the candidates, and believe he is most likely to nominate hard Leftists. If Trump is the nominee, I'll vote 3rd Party.

I vote based on what I think is best for the country. I do this on a case by case basis.

Posted by: The Voting Hat at August 25, 2015 06:05 PM (0TXlm)

617 Can you imagine getting a room full of GOPe reps and sens and having Luntz ask them some basic questions about what they hope to accomplish or what their voters want? What the base feels is priority?

"Why the base wants us to continue to keep a steady hand on our increasingly politically diverse Country and move beyond the Constitution. I'm sure of it. They also want more synergy between the NSA, IRS, ICE and the largest enterprise engines such as Google or AT&T and Apple here and overseas to realize our potential for growth"

Posted by: Daybrother at August 25, 2015 06:06 PM (BRkT8)

618 We will be lucky to get off as lightly as just Trump at this point, and that is a non-partisan pronoun. When displaced American workers are expected to train their foreign replacements, obtained with unlawful H1-B visas, the odds are it is going to end badly.

It would defuse things if Jeb and Hillary gave a joint press conference and announced that for the good of the country they are dropping out of their respective races, and if Boehner and McConnell tossed the keys to new blood. But by the time Luntz and company realize as much, the Jacobins will have become boring. And even if they come to this revelation, those four and those like them are staying put.

Posted by: Embrace nihilism at August 25, 2015 06:06 PM (pq97T)

619 lol

me thinks Ace is actually in a good mood

this is funny sh*t

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2015 05:27 PM (qCMvj)

You should read the sidebar ~~rant~~ rejoice.

Posted by: rebel flounder at August 25, 2015 06:06 PM (Vf5rR)

620 547 We'll see how any of these "voters" actually show up in the snow and single digit temperatures for 5 hours next February in Iowa. Until then, it's all bullshit posturing and narrative shaping.

Exactly. That's why Trump keeps saying he's ahead in the polls. He's trying to shape his own narrative. It's meaningless at this point (except maybe as an indication of momentum). There is no way as yet to gauge how strong or deep Trump's support is. At a least a portion of it is people responding to pollsters with - "yeah, that guy from the Apprentice." No one knows how many will show up to vote.

Posted by: duke at August 25, 2015 06:06 PM (mDxGf)

621 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 25, 2015 06:02 PM (OSs/l)

I am perfectly happy with candidates who have sinned, and will continue to sin.

They are all human.

The problem is that our current occupant of the White House does evil....and that is worse.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 25, 2015 06:06 PM (Zu3d9)

622 Anyone who votes 3rd party- i.e. like Perot or trump outside of the Republican Ticket-- is only voting for a socialist, as in a democrat.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 06:06 PM (DUoqb)

623 It's heartening to see that the man who criticized Romney's 2012 self-deportation comments as "mean-spirited" now embodies sticking it to the establishment. Unlike all the other candidates, who are just saying whatever they think people want to hear to get elected.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at August 25, 2015 06:07 PM (e/W+h)

624
Remember Herman Cain?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk

...has become the "My Fuehrer -- Steiner" of this primary season.

Difference between a broke ass outsider new guy and an established figure with a half century media presence and bank to boot.

Trump's in until he doesn't want to be, while the Cains, Cruzes and Perry fold when they can't pay their staff or motel bills.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 25, 2015 06:07 PM (kdS6q)

625 Never seen anyone score the whole sidebar before.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 25, 2015 06:07 PM (4BnzD)

626 You should read the sidebar rant rejoice.
Posted by: rebel flounder at August 25, 2015 06:06 PM (Vf5rR)

I did.

Need to pop off now for dinner and such.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 25, 2015 06:07 PM (qCMvj)

627 Dear Ace:

I don't understand your response to my message.

I didn't even mention God at all?

So your reply doesn't make any sense to me.

Posted by: Village Idiot at August 25, 2015 06:07 PM (bf86X)

628 We've got house Jews? Who knew?
Is there one of those things we're supposed to kiss on the way in and out?

Posted by: JohnnyBoy at August 25, 2015 06:08 PM (WjXce)

629 What were those three things that in the olden days you weren't ever supposed to discuss in public?

Religion? Politics? Crossbows v. Longbows?

Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 06:08 PM (JvPqF)

630
Free line for any candidate from the Mohawk Consulting Inc.:

"There already is a path to citizenship, go to your country if not already there, get in line, fill out the paperwork, pay the fees, and we will call your number when your order is ready."

Get winners like these and more for obamacare, the national debt, tax simplification and many more, just send $234,000 and receive your free shipment of great policy lines! or choose my exclusive email so you can hit the campaign trail faster and harder!

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 25, 2015 06:08 PM (ODxAs)

631 625 Never seen anyone score the whole sidebar before.

Me neither.

Posted by: CensorMonster, Blog Infamous at August 25, 2015 06:09 PM (0NdlF)

632 I predict Trump will suffer no harm from his attacks on Megyn Kelly or from his answer regarding asking for forgiveness from God.

Posted by: Positive Waves at August 25, 2015 06:09 PM (MQEz6)

633 I gotta go to a baseball game. By, all! Tip your ~~waitresses~~ Ewoks!

Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 06:09 PM (JvPqF)

634 Ah Point of Parliamentary Order from one of the House Jews!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 06:05 PM (DUoqb)

Ditto.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 25, 2015 06:09 PM (Zu3d9)

635 Or did I say something true, which you didn't like, and were trying to get me to stop saying by pouring abuse on me?

You said something that was true but irrelevant but for your belief that you can manipulate the opinions of your readers by focusing attention on it. It clearly hasn't worked, so now you are pursuing this fantasy of a vast right wing conspiracy out to control your speech.

I don't care that you think you've insulted Trump. I don't even care as much that you think you've undermined Trump (mainly because I see no reason to believe you succeeded, but also because he is primarily a source of entertainment at this point).

What I object to is the way you insult all of us who read you by thinking not a single one of us would see your motivation for what it clearly is. I may or may not be, but certainly many of us are smarter than you.

And to a lesser extent I have a pet peeve about folks who make up stories of oppression in order to gin up sympathy in their favor, as you have done in this thread with this censorship silliness.

Posted by: Methos at August 25, 2015 06:09 PM (ZbV+0)

636 The polls say I'm in the lead for the Democratic nomination for president.

Posted by: George Wallace in November 1975 at August 25, 2015 06:09 PM (UlJ3l)

637 I for one am tired of the rabid Deez Nuts supporters!

Posted by: Minnfidel at August 25, 2015 06:09 PM (cYXYO)

638 We've got house Jews? Who knew?
Is there one of those things we're supposed to kiss on the way in and out?
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at August 25, 2015 06:08 PM (WjXce)

yeah, and you know where right?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 06:09 PM (DUoqb)

639 can we haz flaming skullz?

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at August 25, 2015 06:10 PM (7RXcs)

640 Wow. Regarding the sidebar... what did I miss? I have a hard time imagining what this bullying looks like, particularly with the rancid comments that are often found around here.

Posted by: Sambo at August 25, 2015 06:10 PM (w1HEl)

641
I sense....

/closes eyes, hand to forehead

I sense someone preparing tuna salad for supper. With celery. And rye bread.

Posted by: Soothsayer, now with a low profile tip and ergonomical design at August 25, 2015 06:10 PM (p0det)

642
"You cannot be a Christian without acknowledging sin."

Yup. As a Catholic, we even pound our chests about it when we pray the Confetitor (Latin for "I confess").

Posted by: Benji Carver at August 25, 2015 06:10 PM (OD2ni)

643 624

Remember Herman Cain?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk

999 Bitches!

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 06:10 PM (0FSuD)

644 'Who-oah, it's just a Box of Chex,
I don't know who put it there
E-eat it, if you want it
Or leave it, if you ca-are'

Posted by: Phil Lesh at August 25, 2015 06:10 PM (ZqSB6)

645 Umm, maybe I missed it but when did Trump come out as religious and Christian and use that as a central theme of his campaign or any part thereof?

Posted by: Kreplach at August 25, 2015 06:10 PM (eDW1j)

646 Posted by: JohnnyBoy at August 25, 2015 06:08 PM (WjXce)

No...just give us money and a little blood for matzoh.

Don't worry, we own the banks so we'll take it out of your accounts on our own.

And the blood? We get it from the Christian babies we kidnap.....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 25, 2015 06:11 PM (Zu3d9)

647 Anyone who votes 3rd party- i.e. like Perot or trump outside of the Republican Ticket-- is only voting for a socialist, as in a democrat.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 06:06 PM (DUoqb)

I will only vote GOP if Trump is the candidate. I will vote for Trump if he goes third party (which I actually prefer). I will not vote for the GOP in any other instance. My last GOP vote was 2012 - the re-election of the Weeping Boner in 2013 was the last straw for me. I draw the line at beating hit in the face 27 times by the party I vote for.

Other than Trump, voting for the GOP is not even constructive enough to call an exercise in futility. It is a vote to help the Vichy douchebags continue collaborating and colluding with the left.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 25, 2015 06:11 PM (MYSVz)

648 He doesn't seem to get even the rudiments of Christianity.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 25, 2015 06:11 PM (4BnzD)

649 Just in case anyone else doesn't speak Southern, y'all is plural (ceptin when it ain't)

And, it was a callback to something I posted in an earlier thread. All my fans would get it.

But, yeah, the whole everything Trump does is perfect and you dare not blaspheme him thing is not helpful as they say.

If we remember the legs of the stool, a Republican candidate is going to need the support of the religious right inasmuch as that exists. People who think that Santorum or Huckabee or Carson are the best candidate because of their religiosity (those people exist, and I am not saying that everyone who supports them has that for the reason) are not going to go, oh, well Trump is just as good on that score.

The Trump phenomenon is to me confusing because I do see people who exile Cruz for having said something some time that isn't 100% in their definition of what a conservative is being totally over the top in their support for Trump whose conservatism might have been arrived at, say, yesterday.

Posted by: blaster at August 25, 2015 06:11 PM (ZFt7y)

650
I agree LDC, trump could change the GOP machine, but I wouldn't place money either way. Those people are entrenched and will use govt funds to protect their phoney baloney jobs at all cost.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 25, 2015 06:11 PM (ODxAs)

651 Here's the thing - if you hate the Establishment R (as I do), then you understand the need to break them until they again serve the voters and not the donor. How do you do this? You withold your vote. They have money, but they need votes. Yours matters. For now. Until Manuel takes your place.

You can withhold your vote by swaying enough people to a third party that it upends the R and still defeats the D. I think we are rapidly reaching that point.

Or you can do that by running as an R, yet sticking your finger in the eye of the establishment Rs who run the show.

If you crush the establishment Rs using Trump for example, win the primary but still lose to the D, the result is that the establishment Rs are defeated, they are denied. Even if Hillary is Prezzy.

If you crush the establishment Rs with Trump, win the primary AND win the general, well, the result is the same - the establishment Rs are defeated,
they are denied. But you are stuck with Trump.

So what's the deal - if you are wailing that the RINOs sold you out (and they have) so badly you might as well vote for Hillary (as Ace has previous said he would in his Fuck the GOP rant) then why would you ever slam Trump? Sure he's a blowhard, but he's doing exactly what you claim to want! If he wins, the Establishment Rs take it int he ass. If he loses, they take it in the ass and even if it gets Hillary elected!

As far as I'm concerned the nation is well and truly lost. Too much damage has been done for too long. Too many generations brainwashed beyond hope. There is no politcal solution, so DC Jesus to save us. There is only a cultural one, a individual one. So if Cruz or Jindal of Carson can't endure, and its Trump v. Grandmonster C, I'll vote for Trump. Because "what difference, at thsi point, does it make?"

Posted by: Saltydonnie at August 25, 2015 06:11 PM (i6shs)

652 Taking the fifth is good for the soul.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 25, 2015 06:12 PM (4BnzD)

653 Trump said something like "I guess I just don't make many mistakes," which is a very strange thing for a Crhistian to say, as Christians are well aware they've sinned a lot, and are in need of god's salvation trhough the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

Before I could marry some hot grl I had to convert to her religion. But there was a moment when the priest asked me to confess my sins. Didn't know what in the hell to say.

I'm not sure how tough it is to not break the Ten commandments. Although coveting the neighbors wife has occasionally been a minor issue at times.

You have some weird perceptions of Christians I think.

Posted by: se pa moron at August 25, 2015 06:12 PM (sI4OA)

654 And the blood? We get it from the Christian babies we kidnap.....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 25, 2015 06:11 PM (Zu3d9)

My wife wants to know if we have any Gluten Free blood left on the self?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 06:12 PM (DUoqb)

655
The polls say I'm in the lead for the Democratic nomination for president.
Posted by: George Wallace

Well, not to give Hillary any ideas, but that whole "attempted assassination" thing did slow him down a tad.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 25, 2015 06:13 PM (kdS6q)

656 113
Did Luntz just find AOSHQ?

Are you crazy? He'd go catatonic if he read the comments here.

Seriously, it's as if basic cause and effect is an utterly alien concept to this band of idiots.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 25, 2015
________

He will if he reads his e-mails. I'm gonna find his and send him this link.. Tell him to print it, slap on a cover letter, send it to his clients in the GOPe and send his fee to ace.

Posted by: eureka! at August 25, 2015 06:13 PM (g1MTt)

657 We've got house Jews? Who knew?

I always thought of myself as more of a courtJjew.

Is there one of those things we're supposed to kiss on the way in and out?

Posted by: JohnnyBoy at August 25, 2015 06:08 PM (WjXce)

Yeah ... but not for the guys.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 25, 2015 06:13 PM (MYSVz)

658 Well, I think he said something more like he doesn't ask for forgiveness, but tries to do better and accepts Communion as a cleansing act.

I just don't see too many Christians being very upset with him about this answer.

I am not a Christian, but I was one long ago and keep up with Christian matters here and in other arenas.

Posted by: Positive Waves at August 25, 2015 06:01 PM (MQEz6)

Christians that are supporting Trump aren't doing it because of his religious chops. They are doing it for the same reason other conservatives are supporting him, even though they know he isn't really one of them.

Posted by: Sambo at August 25, 2015 06:13 PM (w1HEl)

659 just assume they have to filter out this criticism, the "cranks" from the get-go,

That's assuming they don't deliberately piss people off so they can dismiss the return rant.

Posted by: DaveA at August 25, 2015 06:13 PM (DL2i+)

660 No HUCK or SAN. Carson too inexperienced to even be a VP. He's a side show.

A good one mind you, very good.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 06:13 PM (0FSuD)

661 Trump is the wrecking ball that clears the way for a Ted Cruz... but if I have to say it out loud too often the effect is neutralized.

Posted by: Shoey at August 25, 2015 06:13 PM (vA94g)

662 Not only has it been said in every thread about Trump, it's been said for years. Republicans don't care.

This is the party who scoffed at the Tea Party and called them extreme. The same Tea Party who largely got them elected. But they're a convenient scapegoat for their lack of balls and courage.

Republicans are nothing more than Democrats-lite. Even worse they don't have the stones to stand up and help while the bullies are pummeling us. To the contrary, they hold their coats.

If there as any single event they could have used as a sign they were turning the corner it was the reelection of Boehner as speaker. Even McConnell as majority leader. These are two people that party members hate more than Obama. Yet they reelect them. These two assholes who have done zero to stop the pillaging. The two biggest cowards in Washington.

That was the biggest FU moment for me. At that point I knew nothing would change. And it won't until they and their lieutenants like McCarthy are waaaay gone.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 25, 2015 06:14 PM (LX3n7)

663 Poor Frank is behind the curve. I like him too. This is what happens when you gauge the wind direction by what is being said at NRO and The Federalist. Homeboy should have gone to ROK, Dalrock, Chateau, and Amren.

Posted by: AlFromBayShore at August 25, 2015 06:14 PM (H7qBA)

664 Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 06:12 PM (DUoqb)

Nevergiveup: Honey...what did you make for dinner?

NevergiveupWife: Reservations!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 25, 2015 06:14 PM (Zu3d9)

665 LiveFromrussianHill @ #60 ...the base, grassroots or whatever we are called today.

I think we're the mulch. We're just supposed to lie inert wherever we're dumped so the lords and ladies don't have to worry about weeds.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at August 25, 2015 06:15 PM (VBbCO)

666 Trump holds grudges. That alone is a sin and requires him to ask for forgiveness, and he is required to forgive those who antagonize him.
Posted by: maddogg
------------------------------------------------------
This is yet another example of the problem I have with Trump critiques. Don't you think this also applies to Hillary Clinton? Didn't she even keep an enemies list?

People who attack Trump don't attack his policies. They attack his person, and those attacks invariably apply to his opponents more than to him.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at August 25, 2015 06:15 PM (E5UB0)

667 Pmurt Dlanod.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 25, 2015 06:15 PM (4BnzD)

668 And since when does an avowed atheist/agnostic get off critiquing anyone's religiosity or lack thereof when that person hasn't made religiosity central to their campaign?

Bizzare!

Posted by: Kreplach at August 25, 2015 06:15 PM (eDW1j)

669
I wouldn't place money either way. Those people are entrenched and will use govt funds to protect their phoney baloney jobs at all cost.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk

Neither would moi at this point, simply because -- as we're seeing with the VA GOP today -- those who run the party will bend, break or just plain ignore the rules to stay in power.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 25, 2015 06:16 PM (kdS6q)

670 I just don't see too many Christians being very upset with him about this answer.

I am not a Christian, but I was one long ago and keep up with Christian matters here and in other arenas.

Posted by: Positive Waves at August 25, 2015 06:01 PM (MQEz6)

We're forgivers.

On that note NR said that Trump's parents took him to Norman Vincent Peale's church when he was a kid. NVP wrote The Power of Positive Thinking. Just something to think about.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 06:16 PM (0FSuD)

671 Holy cow. I got the Revelation comment#.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at August 25, 2015 06:16 PM (E5UB0)

672

This is yet another example of the problem I have with Trump critiques. Don't you think this also applies to Hillary Clinton? Didn't she even keep an enemies list?

Is the choice in the Republican primary now between Trump and Hillary?

Posted by: imp at August 25, 2015 06:17 PM (XIXZz)

673 As for me, it's a little early to make any final decision who I'll vote for in the primary. Already there are six or so candidates I definitely won't vote for and three or four who I would vote for. A lot of time for it all to shake out. I'm not an emoticon yet.

Posted by: Soona at August 25, 2015 06:17 PM (P25Hh)

674 I am perfectly happy with candidates who have sinned, and will continue to sin.

They are all human.

The problem is that our current occupant of the White House does evil....and that is worse.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

My opinion is Trump is likely not a saved Christian according to "my" view, but is culturally friendly to it. Sort of like a Jew that's kid has a bar mitzvah but that's about the extent they practice their religion.

Trump's religion doesn't disqualify him in my eyes, but I do think it's incredibly hypocritical that the same people screaming about how sacrosanct the pro-life position is and other SoCon ideals are completely giving Trump a pass.

Almost like these positions were never actually all that important to these people anyway and we've been losing elections over it for nothing.

Posted by: Coolio at August 25, 2015 06:17 PM (B3V7B)

675 so much for trying to lighten the mood a bit, geez!

Posted by: JohnnyBoy at August 25, 2015 06:18 PM (WjXce)

676 Obama lied about being a Christian. I don't give a flying fuck if Trump lies about that. I'm past caring about shit like that. I also don't care if he has binders with women or tied his fucking dog to the roof of his car and drove from Argentina to Alaska.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at August 25, 2015 06:18 PM (E5UB0)

677 Just skimmed the last couple posts, but I think I'm caught up. Five Guys performed analingus on a semi-faggot wearing a white collar while fake Christian George Wallace made fun of Donald Trump. Is that about right?

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 25, 2015 06:18 PM (2cS/G)

678 Ace,

Yep. Who would deny this critique? I still am not even sure Trump is real! I take every criticism in stride, debate helps me whittle down to truth.

BTW, to buttress my thinking re Trump's insults are very strategic, notice the two main ones:

Kelly is a bimbo (oh does that cut to the bone of a hot professional, i kid you not their is not a more cutting insult Trump could have used)

She took an unscheduled vacation (to wit, bc of Trump)

Yeah, he's not a blowhard, he knows EXACTLY what he's doing. His sister is on 3rd circuit and his uncle was a prof at MIT. Long game.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 25, 2015 06:19 PM (VMZsK)

679 I know this won't sit well with the Horde.

On Fox show that has the three pollsters, comes on Sundays, Pat Cantell, old Carter pollster, said he thought the convention would dead lock and Romney would be the nominee.

The others agreed. How's that make your day?

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 25, 2015 06:19 PM (0FSuD)

680 All Christians are sinners. That doesn't impact my vote. If Trump becomes the R candidate I will vote for him. Depending on who else the the R candidate is I will also vote for him unless he says things that I consider beyond the pale somehow and blows himself out of the water. As I said, I don't need for someone to be Christian to vote for them, but as a Christian I have strong opinions and saying what he said concerns me. I assume that people who are Jewish would have a concern about a candidate who indicated they were Jewish but said things that were not in keeping with their understanding of the Jewish faith, without it being a game changer as far as a vote. Trump is not running to a Bishop in my denomination. :^)

And yes, I think the things Obama has done are evil.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 25, 2015 06:19 PM (OSs/l)

681 Is the choice in the Republican primary now between Trump and Hillary?
Posted by: imp
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Given the positions that they take, yes.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at August 25, 2015 06:20 PM (E5UB0)

682 661 Trump is the wrecking ball that clears the way for a Ted Cruz... but if I have to say it out loud too often the effect is neutralized.

---

This is Cruz's strategy, which is why he has staffers working for Trump.

Of course, Cruz is about as Establishment as they come (former W FTC official, received donations from HW Bush when he considered running for TX AG, etc, Princeton/Harvard, wrote an NRO article praising John Roberts and pushed W to pick him), but who gives a shit. He called McConnell a liar that one time and shut down the government! (even though it was the House that actually did that)

Posted by: CP4 at August 25, 2015 06:20 PM (xYsI6)

683 Wow. Regarding the sidebar... what did I miss? I have a hard time imagining what this bullying looks like, particularly with the rancid comments that are often found around here.

If you search "Monster" in this thread, you can find my back and forth with ace.

/shrug. Maybe I'm the straw that broke the camel's back?

Posted by: CensorMonster, Blog Infamous at August 25, 2015 06:20 PM (0NdlF)

684 so much for trying to lighten the mood a bit, geez!
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at August 25, 2015 06:18 PM (WjXce)

We are only kidding and playing along with ya

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 06:20 PM (DUoqb)

685 Ace Can Not Haz Cheezburger.

Posted by: filbert at August 25, 2015 06:02 PM (JvPqF)

All your cheezburger are belong to us

Posted by: The Pollsters at August 25, 2015 06:20 PM (0TXlm)

686 Posted by: Saltydonnie at August 25, 2015 06:11 PM <<<

Seems mostly logical, except I will not vote for someone I don't believe is a conservative and knows why they are conservative. Ever. OTOH my vote doesn't really matter, my state has been rapidly moving leftist.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 25, 2015 06:20 PM (ODxAs)

687 My set of least objectionable candidates has eroded to Cruz and Fiorina.

Walker has migrated to the stink bucket.

Trump continues to piss in the punch bowl, so he's still doing his job.

Posted by: Positive Waves at August 25, 2015 06:20 PM (MQEz6)

688 That's the problem. They are so far left, they can't even bring themselves to lie to us anymore.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at August 25, 2015 06:20 PM (E5UB0)

689 We've got house Jews? Who knew?

Explains Dobby.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 25, 2015 06:21 PM (oVJmc)

690 I meant to say that I will vote for Trump if he is the R candidate and I may vote for him if he runs third party but I'm really leery of that.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 25, 2015 06:21 PM (OSs/l)

691 Isn't Luntz a shapeshifter?

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 25, 2015 06:21 PM (4BnzD)

692 Alex the chick,

I had to read the thread to see why ace was so pissed, your story about your mom was hilarious!!!

Mike Rowe,

gREAT rejoinder about this country being formed in a beer hall. Indeed.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 25, 2015 06:22 PM (VMZsK)

693 nood, megan does butt stuff

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 25, 2015 06:23 PM (AkOaV)

694 Thanks Nevergiveup

I thought maybe I stepped in it there.

Posted by: JohnnyBoy at August 25, 2015 06:23 PM (WjXce)

695

I feel a purge a'comin'

it's rolling round the bend,

and I ain't seen the sunshine since

I don't know when.

I'm stuck in ace's comments, and flames keep draggin on.

Posted by: imp at August 25, 2015 06:23 PM (XIXZz)

696 They attack his person

How he comes across (as far as style/persona) is not a viable reason to critique him? I don't agree.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 25, 2015 06:24 PM (OSs/l)

697 Thanks Nevergiveup

I thought maybe I stepped in it there.
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at August 25, 2015 06:23 PM (WjXce)

Oh Johnny boy, the pipes, the pipes are calling
From glen to glen, and down the mountain side
The summer's gone, and all the flowers are dying
'Tis you, 'tis you must go and I must bide.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 25, 2015 06:27 PM (DUoqb)

698 429
now is there any objection to my linking a true fact, a video clip of Trump's words?

What's your next claim about it? What's your next attempt to get people to shut up about it?

Posted by: ace at August 25, 2015 05:37 PM (dciA+)

My only objection is that it is kind of presumptuous and dickish, and frankly beneath you. Not the posting of the video, the tirade and the parading about on an unsupported premise of censorship.

I realize I'll probably be banned before I get back on here, so thanks for the laughs, Ace. Best wishes.

Posted by: low-thinking, hero-worshiping, rebel censor flounder at August 25, 2015 06:27 PM (Vf5rR)

699 Here's all I know for sure.

The gope is losing their fucking minds for Trump advocating that our immigration policy should be like modern day France's.

Which means they have been FUCKING LYING to us this entire time on the issue.

Which means I'm for Trump.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 25, 2015 06:27 PM (VMZsK)

700 What is the current immigration policy of France?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 25, 2015 06:30 PM (OSs/l)

701 "Anyone who votes 3rd party- i.e. like Perot or trump outside of the
Republican Ticket-- is only voting for a socialist, as in a democrat."
========

Sorry, that old canard is not going to save the GOPe this time. Enough is enough.

Posted by: Kensington at August 25, 2015 06:32 PM (7Kbxu)

702 What is the current immigration policy of France?

One that leads to "vibrant youth" riots. And the shooting of newspapers, and Jewish groceries, and trains.

(They let a lot of people in)

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 25, 2015 06:32 PM (0NdlF)

703 One that leads to "vibrant youth" riots. And the shooting of newspapers, and Jewish groceries, and trains.

Don't forget the car-b-ques

Posted by: Methos at August 25, 2015 06:36 PM (ZbV+0)

704 If Kelly had a one on one debate with Trump she would destroy him.

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 25, 2015 06:37 PM (kvhal)

705 Odd how the GOP didn't want a unity pledge and no third party when Joe Miller won primary in Alaska. Instead they supported lisa Jabroski in a third party run.!

FUCKING LIARS AND HYPOCRITES! Now they want to do that to trump.

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, the Highlander at August 25, 2015 06:38 PM (COpZ4)

706 The reason Luntz et al. seem so befuddled is because they are used to using polls and focus groups for backroom bargaining. In the end, traditionally, "where will the Republican voter go?"

Happily, there does seem to be a limit at which point the Republican candidate, even if trivially better than the Dem, still sucks so much that the Republican voter won't vote for the Republican Party. Most will, of course, but the increasing tightness of races makes traditionally small numbers more important.

I remember last national election, when I proclaimed I would NOT vote for Mittens. I recall getting a lot of flack for that. I described what the Republican elite were doing as a chicken game: vote for US or you get THEM. My view was that it wasn't quite a chicken game, if considered in the long run. The long run is our destruction, and I can rationally penalize a party that keeps giving me crappy candidates so that I am taken seriously next time.

Anyway, more this time around seem to be acting as if they had made some such calculation.

Posted by: skzion at August 25, 2015 06:40 PM (eTniG)

707 Luntz: "Donald Trump is punishment to a Republican elite that wasn't listening to their grassroots."

As others have said above, it's not merely a matter of "not listening" but actively and openly working against the conservatives who got them the majority.

Posted by: bk in tx at August 25, 2015 06:42 PM (AyAyC)

708 Well Luntz et all would never read blog comments because they're anonymous!!?1 And you don't know who they are! I.e. the very definition of ad hominem.

Posted by: Jeanne up north at August 25, 2015 06:45 PM (hbtdz)

709 If you want to know what's going on in people's minds, read the comments. D.C. has this great tool (the Internet) and they've no clue how to use it.
Posted by: adsila at August 25, 2015 04:55 PM (AR612)

Comments by the pasty-faced proles? Sorry, we're too busy making fundraising calls with which to feather our nests here.

Posted by: Bitch and Boner at August 25, 2015 06:47 PM (laMCB)

710 I don't buy Luntz's shocked face BS. The DC Establishment knows how much they're despised. They just figure they can lie their way out of it or play parlor tricks "opposing" the SCOAMF. It's the smart move as a young Michael Corleone would say. The LIVs and dependent class multiply, the Abort Brigades and Big Ghey remain constant and we dwindle.

Posted by: Rogue Five at August 25, 2015 06:47 PM (xudgf)

711 "677 Just skimmed the last couple posts, but I think I'm caught up. Five Guys performed analingus on a semi-faggot wearing a white collar while fake Christian George Wallace made fun of Donald Trump. Is that about right?"

One thing. Donald Trump has the shots Megyn Kelly's then-boyfriend sent to Beaver Hunt. Once she responds, Trump lays down. Other than that you have it covered.

Oh, Jeb! remains an abject idiot.

Now done.

Posted by: Embrace nihilism at August 25, 2015 06:47 PM (pq97T)

712 I'm so frothingly pissed off at the Establishment that I'd gladly vote for Trump. And if he's not on the ticket, I'll write in another name.

Fvck you, Boehner. Fvck you, McConnell. Fvck you all, establishment politicos. It would be worth it just to hear their howls of rage.

Down with the Republican Party. I'm sure Abe Lincoln himself would flush the can on you all.

Posted by: Miley's Tongue at August 25, 2015 06:49 PM (18eUN)

713 ThePrimordialOrderedPair: "...the re-election of the Weeping Boner in 2013 was the last straw for me. I draw the line at beating hit in the face 27 times by the party I vote for.

Other than Trump, voting for the GOP is not even constructive enough to call an exercise in futility. It is a vote to help the Vichy douchebags continue collaborating and colluding with the left."

Worth repeating.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 25, 2015 06:49 PM (1CroS)

714 If Kelly had a one on one debate with Trump she would destroy him.

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 25, 2015 06:37 PM (kvhal)

LOL. Megywyn is an idiot. Seriously.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 25, 2015 06:49 PM (MYSVz)

715 "LOL. Megywyn is an idiot. Seriously."

C'mon. I've had a sneak peek at her Beaver Hunt photos. Meg's brain is yuuuuuugggggge.

Posted by: Embrace nihilism at August 25, 2015 06:54 PM (pq97T)

716 Remember, these guys insist that they have the pulse of the Hispanic vote down solid. How can you trust that now since they clearly have no grasp on how their own people feel about them?

Posted by: Schaeffer at August 25, 2015 06:56 PM (vqvLw)

717 " 'He is right to call them 'morons'."

That's an insult to us.

Posted by: creeper at August 25, 2015 07:04 PM (KHqZE)

718 Or if you dump your first wife and marry an heiress like McCain did. He earned that high income the easy way.

Posted by: nerdygirl at August 25, 2015 04:55 PM (+lVUW)

You forgot the part where the first wife was crippled in a car accident before he dumped her. I held my nose and filled in the dot for McCain in 2008, and in the back of my mind hoping the bitter, petulant SOB would stroke out and we'd get President Palin.

Posted by: rd at August 25, 2015 07:04 PM (a/sAS)

719 "
I don't buy Luntz's shocked face BS. The DC Establishment knows how much they're despised."

There could well be a kabuki element here - another excuse to try and "make up" with us - "we didn't know how mad you guys were, let's talk..."

I usually assume stupid over corrupt but we're dealing with an obviously corrupt organization with the GOP. Yes they are often bucket-headed but Failure Theater since 2010 has made clear that they're more often "stupid like a fox."

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at August 25, 2015 07:05 PM (dELev)

720 People who attack Trump don't attack his policies. They attack his person, and those attacks invariably apply to his opponents more than to him.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at August 25, 2015 06:15 PM (E5UB0)

Well, for one, he hasn't released any policies, except immigration. So far his positions are any silly thing that comes into his piehole from his head at any given moment. His positions, which are not policies, seem to change at a whim.

Second, his bio doesn't inspire confidence. Rich from inheritance from slumlord Dad, seems mostly adept and conning other people into lending him money, which they later lose on one of his schemes.

So, yeah, I attack his person, because his unceasing bloviating and self-promotion demonstrates pretty clearly that he's not a serious person who would be a good President in the sense of Reagan, or even Nixon.

Sure, it's great that he's shaking up the GOPe, but his supporters are astonished that he says things contrary to the MSM's PC line. Haven't they ever heard of alternative news sources? National Review? Commentary? American Conservative? American Thinker? "No one else says the things Trump says." Bullshit.

This tells me these are LIVs that pretty much just watch TV. These are apparently unaware that there is a war going on the GOP, but are too busy watching SportsCenter and Dancing With the Stars (and swoon over a multi-millionaire who doesn't give a shit about them or restoring limited and accountable government) to fucking HELP US.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 25, 2015 07:05 PM (laMCB)

721 - "Obamacare has still not been repealed, Congress is looking less likely
to override a veto on the Iran deal, and there are still 11 million
illegal immigrants in the United States."

If the GOP had done something about these three things, or even one of them, the Trumpwagon wouldn't roll. Hell, even if they'd taken a stab at really doing something and failed, that would be the case.
As it is, I starting to get really concerned that Trump might have a shot at getting elected. If that happens, it's possible that the outcome may be even worse than Obama. Trump is in it for himself, just the way he always has been, and just like any other politician. He's just hitched his wagon to the boiling anger and is riding it for all he's worth.

Posted by: Charodey at August 25, 2015 07:08 PM (FRjD2)

722 just don't know whether to take surprising strength of trump's campaign completely at face value, or whether there's also other stuff at work

of course some/much of it is genuine (i.e. much pissed-offness at establishment)

but think of what claire mccaskill actually admitted to re todd akin (didn't that also involve targetting bringing in disaffected/unusual new voters into republican primary)

hillary is 1000000X as devious as mccaskill

Posted by: lael at August 25, 2015 07:10 PM (yrklk)

723 "Haven't they ever heard of alternative news sources? National Review? Commentary? American Conservative? American Thinker? "No one else says the things Trump says." Bullshit."

Um, Hurricane, do you really claim that NR takes Trump's position on immigration or visas?? The only one who writes that there is Krikorian, and he's not regular.

Posted by: skzion at August 25, 2015 07:11 PM (eTniG)

724 Jeez, someone post a movie review in the sidebar or something?

Posted by: mugiwara at August 25, 2015 07:12 PM (UFZRg)

725 It's not incompetence... Frank is a Progressive Tool. He was not to "tap" into the GOP base; his job was/is to sell them on people whom the Progressives control. His "shock" is contrived to cast doubt on this truth. He is the most important Tool they have in the battle to enslave us. Free thinkers, people like us, the people who actually think are still too prolific and can lead so we are the concern. prigs need us to be out numbered so that they can close the trap.

That said, Trump could be just the one to finish the job, we won't know until he wins or blows his cover before we vote.

Posted by: Walknot at August 25, 2015 07:15 PM (vFx4s)

726 Watching Trump's press conference and he's precisely the opposite of W as a speaker. He's not trying to make friends. He's just stirring the pot. More please.

To Ace's point in the Trump post, Trump will have a problem but the GOPe has a bigger problem if the relationship is fractured. If Trump gets the nomination he is by definition bigger than the party. As Obozo said with his typical class seven years ago, I won. He was right, of course. It's just gauche to say it.

Posted by: East Bay Jay at August 25, 2015 07:31 PM (7v8o1)

727 If I vote, I intend to vote for the person who'll do the greatest damage possible to the fucking GOP. I'm not a fan of Trump, but if he's that candidate he's got my vote.

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at August 25, 2015 07:35 PM (u5gzz)

728 This is the most exciting thing in years. Trump is the blocker who will open the path for the Quarterback, Terrible Ted the Cruz Missile!!!!!

Posted by: U. SUCK at August 25, 2015 07:40 PM (4Z0vT)

729 Um, Hurricane, do you really claim that NR takes Trump's position on immigration or visas?? The only one who writes that there is Krikorian, and he's not regular.
Posted by: skzion at August 25, 2015 07:11 PM (eTniG)

Look, I don't buy the line that somehow NR is an establishment tool. They called bullshit on Cromnibus, the Righ to Life Day abortion bill debacle, lack of action on Obamacare and Immigration by EO, and Exim bank renewal. They celebrated Brat's win and highlighted Dirty Tricks in Mississippi. They are an invaluable source.

They have a lot of different views on what to do about the IAs here. I don't think it's as easy as Trump makes it out to be, and he's either done a huge favor to the GOP by moving the goal posts and getting huge (yuuuuge) numbers of whites mobilized, or done a terrible disservice, by alienating (no pun intended) Hispanics for a generation, depending on who you talk to.

As much as I'd like to see them sent to the back of the line, I don't know how you deport all those people with a million MSM sob stories, and video of families being literally "torn apart" by cops.

My point is that the Trump supporters seem completely oblivious that this war is already going on in the GOP. Where were they yesterday, when we were trying to get a majority on our local party committee?

It just feels like they, just like their candidate, are not serious, and will sulk at home if Trump isn't nominated, rather than look at an alternative candidate (Cruz? Perry? Anyone? Buehler?) who could actually get it done if elected.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 25, 2015 07:42 PM (laMCB)

730 Hmm, given this information, I still can't figure out why there was so much anger at Ace in that other thread on Trump and Megyn Kelly.

Can you?

Nope. No clue.

Posted by: Pastorius at August 25, 2015 07:43 PM (gMAUH)

731 727 If When I vote, I intend to vote for the person who'll do the greatest damage possible to the fucking ~~GOP~~ Uniparty. I'm not a fan of Trump, but if he's that candidate he's got my vote.
Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at August 25, 2015 07:35 PM (u5gz)

Hey, fixed it for you.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 25, 2015 07:46 PM (laMCB)

732 729:

"Look, I don't buy the line that somehow NR is an establishment tool."

Good. Let me interest you in some Chinese securities.

Posted by: Embrace nihilism at August 25, 2015 07:47 PM (pq97T)

733 You know the real sad part in all this...Trump is winning because he simply read the comments, probably on twitte and conservative blogs. He don't need an expensive group of consultants, or a big campaign team (at least not yet). He just read the comments, and came up with a winning platform probably in 20 mins...then decided to run.

He heard we wanted a wall...so he is going to give us a wall.

Posted by: William Eaton at August 25, 2015 07:47 PM (q52Ma)

734 Orchestrated political cover is the term I think everyone is searching for. This is so over the top that you'd expect Ed Wood to come out and congratulate Luntz on nailing the line.

This is NOTHING more than an attempt to give the establishment candidates an opportunity to take a 180 on their long documented positions.

Laughable and totally within the realm of how the GOP has learned to do its business.

Posted by: OrsonSnow at August 25, 2015 07:48 PM (mJnVS)

735 730
Hmm, given this information, I still can't figure out why there was so
much anger at Ace in that other thread on Trump and Megyn Kelly.

Can you?

Nope. No clue.

Posted by: Pastorius at August 25, 2015 07:43 PM (gMAUH)

Are backhandedly suggesting that Ace is a GOPe shill? Certainly not fair. Also I don't think there was anger at Ace, only at the unneccessary name-calling in the pleas/demands that we stop attacking/name-calling/hero-worshipping, or something.

It was a very confused time, and we were all pretty wasted.

Posted by: rebel flounder at August 25, 2015 07:49 PM (Vf5rR)

736
If Kelly had a one on one debate with Trump she would destroy him.

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 25, 2015 06:37 PM (kvhal)

That would be entertaining. Kelly can choose the topics too -- How long has Trump been a misogynist?- Is Trump ever going to stop being a racist nativist?You get the idea...

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 25, 2015 07:49 PM (NaeCR)

737 The Donald would obliterate Kelly.

Posted by: skzion at August 25, 2015 07:53 PM (eTniG)

738 You forgot the part where the first wife was
crippled in a car accident before he dumped her. I held my nose and
filled in the dot for McCain in 2008, and in the back of my mind hoping
the bitter, petulant SOB would stroke out and we'd get President Palin.

Posted by: rd at August 25, 2015 07:04 PM (a/sAS)

+++++++++++++++++++How dare you say such a thing about a war hero!?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 25, 2015 07:54 PM (NaeCR)

739 It is no longer "Buzzion".

Rather, henceforth, it is "Buzzombieon"

And no, I will not "Buzzioff", either.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 25, 2015 07:54 PM (McRlu)

740 Posted by: rd at August 25, 2015 07:04 PM (a/sAS)

+++++++++++++++++++How dare you say such a thing about a war hero!?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 25, 2015 07:54 PM (NaeCR)

Well that's it. I flat out cannot support rd's bid for dogcatcher. And party loyalty compels me to cast him and every one of his last living relatives out for the sake of the almighty RNC donor class.

Posted by: rebel flounder at August 25, 2015 07:57 PM (Vf5rR)

741 735,
I love Ace.

But maybe I should say this:

Who cares about Megyn Kelly? I mean, I always liked her. I would still enjoy watching her question mediawhores.

But she's nothing in the scheme of things.

If Trump wants to use rough language, then whatever.

That is not important either.

What is important is what is going on in this nation. See, we're "We The People". We are in charge, but our government does not listen to us.

Next stop, Republican Party goes bye bye.

After that, if shit doesn't get fixed: Revolution.

What would Megyn Kelly wear to the Revolution?

Oh, look at that. No one cares.

Posted by: Pastorius at August 25, 2015 07:59 PM (gMAUH)

742 "Look, I don't buy the line that somehow NR is an establishment tool. They called bullshit on Cromnibus, the Righ to Life Day abortion bill debacle, lack of action on Obamacare and Immigration by EO, and Exim bank renewal. They celebrated Brat's win and highlighted Dirty Tricks in Mississippi. They are an invaluable source. "

But Hurricane, you haven't really addressed the issue of immigration and visas, which are a yuuuuge part of Trump's campaign. THAT is what was new. Since Trump is succeeding in making the election about immigration and visas, those are the areas people are focusing on in assessing, e.g., National Review. On these issues, NR had been Establishment, again with the honorable exception of Krikorian, who is put there every once in a while for balance.

Posted by: skzion at August 25, 2015 08:01 PM (eTniG)

743 By the way, I don't like Trump.

But I like him more than any of the Republican choices for Prez (with the exception of Ted Cruz - who has no chance).

Posted by: Pastorius at August 25, 2015 08:19 PM (gMAUH)

744 Kabuki theater...Luntz knows.

This is staged for the benefit of the proles. Part of defusing "the Donald" boomlet. This is pure Clinton, look for the lower lip overbite.

He feels your pain.

(They can never admit they were wrong, only that a a Black Swan came along and upset their apple cart).

Posted by: Kahn's laugh at August 25, 2015 08:24 PM (cDlmb)

745 You don't have to be a Trump supporter to hate the Republican Party. Let it burn.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at August 25, 2015 08:29 PM (IaVM/)

746 Teste

Posted by: Dick Tips at August 25, 2015 08:43 PM (VY4Q1)

747 Ace, it is cliche to say but the elites think of us as farm animals and nothing more.

Posted by: Phil at August 25, 2015 09:28 PM (DjpfO)

748 That focus group word listing left off "complicit."

Posted by: not the droid you seek at August 25, 2015 09:34 PM (LbiPn)

749 The sins of the establishment must be yuge indeed, for SMOD to set a punishment like me upon them.

Posted by: Genghis Trump at August 25, 2015 09:43 PM (wKc1L)

750 The funny thing is that half the voters in that focus group were Obama voters who are going for Trump

Posted by: LeeLeeTurmer at August 25, 2015 09:51 PM (+s5zF)

751 #65: It wasn't me. I'm partial to the term "cocktail weenies".

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at August 25, 2015 10:30 PM (wKc1L)

752 Someone said Trump is an imperfect vessel and that is probably an understatement. But at least he is a vessel.

At least, 14 of the other 16 are wafts of air, a noise of uncertain origin, or a thought not put down on paper.

They would be effective against the Marxist/Democrat onslaught at the Republican House of 2010 and the Republican Senate of 2014.

The 14 other Republicas will never materialize into something solid, as the establishment consultants have ingrained that idea that opposing Democrats is the same as offending Hispanics, Blacks, and the disenfranchised group of the day.

Posted by: Grumpyguy at August 25, 2015 10:31 PM (6OScs)

753 Pasty Frank Luntz is ridiculous.

I like how I'm supposed to ponder with awe the snap-reaction of 20 doofuses he puts in a room during a debate.

Posted by: FishingWithFredo at August 25, 2015 10:31 PM (j1pe7)

754 I think what the 'Republican elite' don't get is that we were fine with all the games and crap that went on in DC as long as it had minimal impact on our lives. As soon as Obamacare passed it has been one long haul of being insulted by everybody in Washington because we want it gone. We want the f*cking government the f*ck out of our lives. We want them to actually balance the budget and follow the law.

This crap of federal employees getting away with whatever the f*ck they want has to stop. Government agencies being used to target normal Americans? Screw that. The Republicans are as much of the problem as the Democrats. Every single one of them needs to go.

The DC 'elite' hold us in contempt? That is nothing compared to the contempt that they we hold them in. Much more and I'm going to start the 'Tar and Feather Party'.

Posted by: AdamPM at August 25, 2015 10:34 PM (p3ppe)

755 Oh, I now see my "Genghis Trump" comment was more or less already said at #186. I can't say I'm surprised; Morons on the whole tend to be both clever and knowledgeable.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at August 25, 2015 11:00 PM (wKc1L)

756 "750
The funny thing is that half the voters in that focus group were Obama voters who are going for Trump"

TAKE THIS INTO ACCOUNT

Posted by: lael at August 25, 2015 11:02 PM (yrklk)

757 Lutz and Rove. Both clueless.

Posted by: socalcon at August 25, 2015 11:10 PM (lHASK)

758 466 So, a focus group composed entirely of Trumpkins hates the Republican party? Did Luntz also find out that water is wet?

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 25, 2015 05:42 PM
~~~~~~
No. Lutz would need a focus group of fish and ducks.

Posted by: socalcon at August 25, 2015 11:19 PM (lHASK)

759 Well done Lutz! You flounder your way though life without realizing the one thing that many here have always known; the jerkoffs who hire you work for US! NOT the other way round! Dick!

Posted by: maximus at August 26, 2015 12:03 AM (T3hOB)

760 757 Lutz and Rove. Both clueless.
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Pull in Dick Morris and we'd have the three stooges.

Posted by: bk in tx at August 26, 2015 04:32 AM (AyAyC)

761 The Wall St Dems, and Corporate Republicans ... can anyone tell me how they are any different than IRAN'S GUARDIAN COUNCIL? They determine WHICH CANDIDATES are acceptable for the people to vote on?

How long have the people wanted a secure border, IRRESPECTIVE of the situation of the illegals already here?
How long have the people RECOGNIZED our economy now is the PRODUCT of a free trade which has driven manufacturing, tech support and now engineering and R&D CAREERS to lower cost destinations?
How long have the people seen the income inequality RESULTING from this grow and grow?
How long have the people seen our allies' shocked behavior at our UNILATERAL withdrawals?
How long have the people been BROWBEATEN over our 'badness' knowing somewhere inside we must be at least 5% better than most of the slugs around the planet, if nothing else?

And the Rove's and Luntz's and the Trippi's are SURPRISED that EVERYONE understands the underlying messages of BOTH Trump and Bernie?

Posted by: epaminondas at August 26, 2015 07:04 AM (7T4Oe)

762 I don't think the anger is aimed at the GOP establishment, I think the people are angry with the Media as well.

Posted by: Paul Kersey at August 26, 2015 10:26 AM (QNcbF)

763 Amen.

Posted by: DNF at August 26, 2015 12:45 PM (Z6zVT)

764 "I don't think the anger is aimed at the GOP establishment, I think the people are angry with the Media as well."

Wow! Someone else also thinks that! Thought I was the only one. It's not just the political establishment - it's the media. Trump can tell them anything, say anything, and they can do nothing about it. -0-. It only makes him more popular. Name on politician who could do what Trump did you Jorge Ramos.

That's what they love (and I'm not a Trump supporter, but I get it).

Posted by: exliberal at August 26, 2015 12:49 PM (kjizk)

765 Yes Ace... Trump is a big, combover, shit-in-his-pants BABY!
But he's drinking the establishment's milk-shake....he's drinking IT UP!
The
rabble know and understand this about Trump. We don't necessarily like
it, but we like...no..no... We LOVE the establishment's handwringing
over Trump. We're literally schadenfreude-ing in our pants over it.
Will it change the republican elite into honoring their promises and
listening to where we want to return the counrty?? Lol.... can a
leopard change its spots?
There's the answer.... so as a result....get ready for PRESIDENT TRUMP!!
..and may GOD have Mercy on our souls...

Posted by: mrclark at August 26, 2015 01:58 PM (7YnaR)

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