Unbef***inglievable: CNN Real Debate/Fake Debate Rules Will Probably Result in <i>Exact Same Lineup</i> As Fox Debate, With Fiorina <i>Still</i> At the Kiddie Table

Unbef***inglievable: CNN Real Debate/Fake Debate Rules Will Probably Result in Exact Same Lineup As Fox Debate, With Fiorina Still At the Kiddie Table

CNN's criteria for its September GOP presidential debate may keep Carly Fiorina off the stage reserved for the top 10 candidates despite her recent surge in the polls.
The CNN debate methodology, released earlier this year, weighs polls from July 16 to Sept. 10.
The use of the earlier surveys will hurt the former CEO of Hewlett-Packard, who barely registered in the polls before the Aug. 6 Fox News debate. But since then, she has seen a significant bounce.
"It acts as sort of an anchor on those people who had done poorly early and a bit of a parachute for those people who have done well early," said Cliff Zukin, a Rutgers University political scientist and former president of the American Association for Public Opinion Research.
The criteria could also protect Sen. Rand Paul (Ky.) from sliding out of the top 10 despite his recent dip in polls.

By the way, the claim made is that this is an "objective" way to decide who's in the Main Debate.

It is not.

If you do not specify, well in advance, the criteria that will be used to make a decision, you can post-hoc choose which criteria to include, and how to weight each criterion, in order to give you the panel that you already had in mind.

There's a scam that's used by people promising "stock-picking formulas that produced 1000% gains consistently over ten years!"

Yeah, that's a lie: What they do is use computer software to calculate, retroactively a formula which would pick all the highest-gaining stocks, and then present that as a "formula" for future stock picks.

You can always do that. I can give you, right now, a "formula" which would have, had it been employed in 1996, yielded 1000%+ plus gains: Buy as much of Google and Amazon as you have dollars.

See, I can look backwards from present facts to select an "objective formula" which will result in the results I want.

Similarly, the question of whether Fiorina, or Jindal, or Perry, might appear at the kid's table debate or the real one depends on whether I include very old poor polls, or how much I weight them.

Do I include the oldest poll, but throw it a 10% weight? Or do I give it a 100% weight?

By choosing the latter, I choose to exclude Fiorina (and Jindal and Perry).

And I can tell you that's "objective," but that's a lie: I knew what the consequences of my choices would be before I actually made my choices.

By gaming the criteria, I can produce, within certain limits, any field I personally like, and then I can tell the people "This was all decided by objective, cold math."

Nope! The programmer made all the decisions when he decided what numbers he'd include in his allegedly objective formula, and how much he'd weight them.

CNN should repudiate the FoxNews model -- which was done for showmanship, not civic engagement -- and have two panels, each panel decided by random draw, with the top eight candidates (in the polls) randomly divided into each panel, four each (to make sure each panel has heavy hitters), all others randomly drawn to fill out each panel.

Why not? The cable news networks thrive on free highly-watched content; why have 24 million viewers for 90 minutes, when you can have 24 million (or almost that) for 180 minutes?

There is no reason, except for the media's insistence that it will arrogantly serve as some sort of "gatekeeper" for the American public, before a single American voter has had any opportunity to cast a vote or even, indeed, before most Americans have even begun to think about which way they're voting.

If CNN is truly the "hard news network" and better than Fox, they can prove it now by choosing a substantive, civic-minded debate formant, and not one that simply maximizes interest in a "big show."

Posted by: Ace at 05:11 PM

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1 Sa-weet!!

Posted by: Chamber of Commerce at August 20, 2015 05:13 PM (0LHZx)

2 Of course not. They saw the Fox ratings and......

monkey see, monkey do.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at August 20, 2015 05:15 PM (yMVjf)

3 "The CNN debate methodology, released earlier this year, weighs polls from July 16 to Sept. 10."

"released earlier this year"

Everybody knew the rules going in. It is on the candidates if they can't pull better numbers.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 20, 2015 05:15 PM (ljZD2)

4 Why are we doing Republican debates on CNFreakingN?

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at August 20, 2015 05:15 PM (q20+R)

5 And some of the polls in the mix are CNN polls. Yeah sounds fair and objective.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 20, 2015 05:16 PM (0LHZx)

6
But Intrade something something something.......

Posted by: In before the troll at August 20, 2015 05:16 PM (xcrCh)

7 Not really going to be a problem, since the only people watching will be in airports and waiting at the dentist.

Posted by: Sharkman at August 20, 2015 05:16 PM (72D6h)

8 Trump's gonna be there though, right?

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 20, 2015 05:17 PM (evdj2)

9
Not really going to be a problem, since the only people watching will be in airports and waiting at the dentist.

Posted by: Sharkman at August 20, 2015 05:16 PM (72D6h)

Not if my universal remote control has anything to say about it.....

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 20, 2015 05:17 PM (xcrCh)

10 >>>The CNN debate methodology, released earlier this year, weighs polls from July 16 to Sept. 10."

"released earlier this year"

Everybody knew the rules going in. It is on the candidates if they can't pull better numbers.

...

when was "earlier," and what was the weight of each poll? Was that stated?

It didn't say it simply averaged them; it said it weighed them.

So what weight did it put on each poll?

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2015 05:17 PM (dciA+)

11 I like your idea of two panels, Ace. My criteria would have been poll ranking since the Fox debate, but yours is much better.

Why don't you take the rest of the day off?

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at August 20, 2015 05:18 PM (q20+R)

12 Best thing for Fiorina was being at the "kiddie table". I knew whoever won the "kiddie" debate would get more press/attention than coming in say, third in the "grown up" debate.

Posted by: WTP at August 20, 2015 05:18 PM (kZVsz)

13 CNN. Are they still on?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 20, 2015 05:18 PM (8ZskC)

14 Ace, the article you cited says "the criteria were released earlier this year". I saw in another article that it was released in May.

So (while I really want Carly included) I think they aren't rigging here. Unless you think they saw this coming three months ago.

Posted by: MTF at August 20, 2015 05:18 PM (TxJGV)

15 Rand should offer her his seat as a gentlemanly gesture.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 20, 2015 05:19 PM (evdj2)

16 #bitches get things done

Posted by: carly at August 20, 2015 05:19 PM (WCnJW)

17 Actually, I prefer the kiddie table.

Posted by: Hairy Reed at August 20, 2015 05:19 PM (8ZskC)

18 I'm struggling to remember who was in the winner's bracket last time. Wasn't Huckabee there?

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 20, 2015 05:20 PM (evdj2)

19 12 Best thing for Fiorina was being at the "kiddie table". I knew whoever won the "kiddie" debate would get more press/attention than coming in say, third in the "grown up" debate.
Posted by: WTP at August 20, 2015 05:18 PM (kZVsz)

---------

good point

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 20, 2015 05:20 PM (0LHZx)

20 I'd say Ace has a decent point re the random draw process. There's also a flipside, which is that somebody like Graham, who's at 0%, could just flip out because YOLO and why the fuck not.

The real objection to the debate Ace glances over, which is "showmanship". That's an interesting word for it.

If "showmanship" means asking brutal gotcha questions such that Walker, Rubio and Huckster no longer have a shot at the general and highlight squish fucking dem-lite Kasich droning on and on about ghey, whilst ignoring Cruz and Carson, and alllll the knives out for Trump to fuck him over on any question...

Then yeah, I guess that's showmanship.

But please, let's talk about what Trump said to a playboy bunny on season 8 of the Apprentice when Iran's ABOUT TO GET FUCKING NUKES.

I'd rather say that's the most important objection.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 20, 2015 05:20 PM (q5APL)

21 I said on twitter (more or less)

Science 101: CNN (if they were being honest) should have acknowledged the effect of the fox debate and taken steps to make sure that effect was measured in their methodology.

They didn't. In fact they specifically undid the effect from the Fox debate. It'd be malpractice in any other field, but hey, journalism.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at August 20, 2015 05:20 PM (tM4uk)

22 17 Actually, I prefer the kiddie table.
Posted by: Hairy Reed at August 20, 2015 05:19 PM (8ZskC)

_______

Word

Posted by: The Guy from Subway at August 20, 2015 05:20 PM (0LHZx)

23 Carly is being punished for daring to appear on a smart milblog.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 20, 2015 05:21 PM (8ZskC)

24 So (while I really want Carly included) I think they
aren't rigging here. Unless you think they saw this coming three
months ago.

Posted by: MTF at August 20, 2015 05:18 PM (TxJGV)

But if they're weighing the polls, of course they can rig it. If they give more weight to the polls prior to the Fox debate, that will skew things way differently than if they weight the post-Fox polls more heavily.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at August 20, 2015 05:21 PM (q20+R)

25 >>>vWhy don't you take the rest of the day off?

oh well, maybe I will! Actually i'm going to end work early today because I have the podcast tonight.

so thank you!

Posted by: ace at August 20, 2015 05:21 PM (dciA+)

26 The most efficient virtual memory paging strategy would be to page out the pages that will be used furthest in the future. But of course you can't know that in advance, only retroactively.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at August 20, 2015 05:22 PM (E5UB0)

27 25 >>>vWhy don't you take the rest of the day off?

oh well, maybe I will! Actually i'm going to end work early today because I have the podcast tonight.

so thank you!
Posted by: ace at August 20, 2015 05:21 PM (dciA+)

Threadwinner!

Posted by: Buzzion at August 20, 2015 05:23 PM (oIFpt)

28 I guess that's all true but I just can't work up enough give a damn about debates to even care what they do or how they do it. Yeah, they're a blast for political junkies and political pundits, I suppose. But for most voters, they're... nothing.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 20, 2015 05:23 PM (39g3+)

29 Of course the game is rigged. Has been from the start. Now, let's all just shut up and accept the 'republican' candidate chosen by the democrats/media.

Posted by: Eromero at August 20, 2015 05:23 PM (go5uR)

30 Considering this is CNN, I expect a ton of "gotcha" and birth control questions. Also, maybe the moderators will blatantly lie to defend Jeb! and Kasich.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at August 20, 2015 05:23 PM (q20+R)

31 SHIFT CHANGE!

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 20, 2015 05:23 PM (evdj2)

32 why have 24 million viewers for 90 minutes, when you can have 24 million (or almost that) for 180 minutes?

Because there's no way that will happen. I suspect if you divied up that 24 million by the candidates current poll numbers you be able to approximate the eventual viewership (maybe undecideds watch both). So like 20 million for the Trump/Walker/Fiorino debate and 11 for the Carson/Cruz/Kasich debate.

Posted by: Methos at August 20, 2015 05:24 PM (ZbV+0)

33 Why the fu*k are the Republicans dealing with these bad faith MSM pieces of sh*t to begin with? How many times do they need to get burned? All debates on C-Span. The networks can pick up the feed. NO MSM MODERATORS. Figure it the f*ck out, you idiots.

Posted by: rrpjr at August 20, 2015 05:24 PM (s/yC1)

34 I forgot to address this to 'Comrades'. Sorry.

Posted by: Eromero at August 20, 2015 05:24 PM (go5uR)

35 I'd threaten never to watch CNN again, but, well, you know.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2015 05:25 PM (LAe3v)

36 I love how the dog insists on laying right under my feet when I'm sitting on the couch, then when I step on him inadvertently, he gives me this glaring look.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at August 20, 2015 05:26 PM (q20+R)

37 I'll bet that Trump says "I won't participate if everyone can't participate". Self-serving, sure, but also just another way to flip off the PTB and delight the voters.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2015 05:26 PM (LAe3v)

38 I'd like to see them add Hillary to the debate and let the other candidates ask the questions.

"Let she who has a server be cast upon with stones"

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at August 20, 2015 05:27 PM (dIj2m)

39 Not shocked.

Can't wait to see the questions.

"Mr. Trump, when did you stop raping your former wife, Ivanka?"

"Mr. Rubio, when did you stop pissing away your money in extravagances like yachts like a Cuban drug dealer?"

Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2015 05:27 PM (NOIQH)

40 Kasich = Bush Lite. The beer for those who like drinking watered-down piss

Posted by: himself at August 20, 2015 05:27 PM (8CdUx)

41 cant have a woman shining my in the Pubbie debate. Especially one that can and will kick serious ass.

Posted by: Doubting Thomasina at August 20, 2015 05:28 PM (tSTeR)

42 With Fiorina Still At the Kiddie Table

No great loss...

Posted by: The Political Hat at August 20, 2015 05:28 PM (7YlUk)

43 Posted by: MTF at August 20, 2015 05:18 PM (TxJGV)

My guess: what they saw happening months ago was Trump flaming out, so this was a sure fire way to keep him in (and the ratings up.)

Trump didn't flame out, but more serious candidates gained.

They wanted the line up to stay the same regardless and that's what they got.

Posted by: tsrlbke PhD(c), rogue bioethicist at August 20, 2015 05:28 PM (tM4uk)

44 Whatever.

What's Caitlyn Jenner up to?

Posted by: LIV at August 20, 2015 05:29 PM (vsbNu)

45 I was told there'd be no myth.

Posted by: Athena at August 20, 2015 05:29 PM (E5UB0)

46 Trump should tell them to let the current front runners in and not exclude a woman or he won't show up. Make no mistake CNN is doing this to make the republicans look bad with women. CNN will piss their rating pants.

It will be interesting to see what Trump does.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at August 20, 2015 05:29 PM (f+6Pd)

47 I wish they'd let me ... ah ... ah ... do the debasing.

"Fairly Unbalanced"

* hic

Posted by: Foster Brooks at August 20, 2015 05:29 PM (dIj2m)

48 What's Caitlyn Jenner up to?
Posted by: LIV
--------------------------------------------
Estrogen makes men impotent, so nothing.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at August 20, 2015 05:29 PM (E5UB0)

49 Not sure being at the main debate would help her. They won't want to spend to much time asking Carly questions since she may outshine the preferred GOPe candidates, so they may ignore her or lob softballs.

She'll get more coverage on the smaller venue. And at this point, she'll get more accidental air time fencing with idiot MSM reporters.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 20, 2015 05:30 PM (jR7Wy)

50 The "objective" way to do it is to include everyone.

If that number happens to be too unwieldy for a single forum, then split up the field by random drawing(s) into two or more workable debate panels, and hold multiple debate sessions.

The current "debate" system is a farce, travesty, or whatever other suitable derogatory word you might choose to apply to it.

Posted by: filbert at August 20, 2015 05:30 PM (JvPqF)

51 42
With Fiorina Still At the Kiddie Table

No great loss...

Posted by: The Political Hat

So, you're good with CNN deciding who you should see?

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2015 05:30 PM (LAe3v)

52 So, this is CNN's war on women.

Posted by: maddogg at August 20, 2015 05:30 PM (xWW96)

53 Rand Paul has some good ideas. He also has a boat anchor named Ron.

I will ne ver, ever vote for him as long as Daddy Ron is still alive. Luap Nor is pushing some scam on late night tv. Really cheesy OMG!1! The end is nigh commercials.

Just go to LuapNor45dot com.

I know damn well if Rand gets the nomination, about October 15 Daddy Ron will say something racist, neo-nazi or both. Or someone will "re-discover" the Luap Nor Newsletters from the 1990's and 2000's. And there goes the election.

Posted by: rd at August 20, 2015 05:31 PM (a/sAS)

54 It should be polling from August 6th forward. Turd lickers. Actually the Trump people should be happy about this.

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 20, 2015 05:31 PM (cJswI)

55 meh, these debates are meaningless. They are all scripted and slanted. I think I'll pass, and let the money sort it out.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at August 20, 2015 05:31 PM (ucDmr)

56 "Mr. Santorum, why do hate gays?"

"Mr. Cruz, why do you hate federal employees enough to shut the government down? As a follow-up, exlpain why you want to kill minorities and seniors by denying them Obamacare?

"All of you, how many transgenders do you pledge to hire should you be elected president?"

Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2015 05:31 PM (NOIQH)

57 >> What's Caitlyn Jenner up to?

Apparently 12 months in the county slam-her.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at August 20, 2015 05:31 PM (dIj2m)

58 Ace: "The game is rigged"

The media has had a "Soft" control of the country for 30 yrs. at least. I'm convinced that with so many states now with electronic voting, that there no way anyone will ever convince me that voting is on the "Up - n - Up"

Don't even get me started on "Polling Data." That has been blatantly rigged for many years. I still can't figure out why anybody would believe any of it. For example, I've never told the truth to a pollster, but don't they call me, I just happened to be able to talk to one once when I was visiting my Crazy Leftist Uncle...Hint..Hint.

Posted by: Covert Revolutionary at August 20, 2015 05:31 PM (SJi0a)

59 So who has more credibility at this point?

A. Mexican wrestlers
B. Hillary!
C. Donald Trump
D. GOPe
E. Jeb
F. Democrat Party
G. Hookers
H. Fox News
I. CNN
J. Bernie Sanders

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 20, 2015 05:31 PM (Jwyij)

60 So, you're good with CNN deciding who you should see?

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2015 05:30 PM (LAe3v)

I just don't see her not being there as being relatively impactful.

Posted by: The Political Hat at August 20, 2015 05:32 PM (7YlUk)

61 I don't care what CNN's motivation is, and I don't care if they think they've done the fair thing by restricting the debate to the top pollers. I don't want them deciding things for me, because a) I can think for myself, and b) they're a bunch of craven crapweasels.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2015 05:32 PM (LAe3v)

62 So...will there be doughnuts?

Posted by: Candy Crowley at August 20, 2015 05:32 PM (YFFpo)

63 Moo.

Posted by: Candy Crowley at August 20, 2015 05:32 PM (wAQA5)

64 What's the old saying?

You can't win.
You can't breakeven.
Hell, you can't even get out of the game!

Posted by: Paladin at August 20, 2015 05:33 PM (lP8dE)

65 oh well, maybe I will! Actually i'm going to end work early today because I have the podcast tonight.

so thank you!
Posted by: ace at August 20, 2015 05:21 PM (dciA+)

Words we can all live by, I think.

(But we should all still randomly click on the HQ throughout the evening, to up the page view count, right? We don't need to read the content, right?)

Posted by: filbert at August 20, 2015 05:33 PM (JvPqF)

66 I was told there'd be no myth.
Posted by: Athena at August 20, 2015 05:29 PM (E5UB0)

Why do you hate me?!?

Posted by: Skeeve, Wizarding Apprentice ... at August 20, 2015 05:33 PM (qOsoH)

67 Trump won't stand up for Carly . She dissed him on the Mehgan blood comment. The Donald don't forget .

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 20, 2015 05:34 PM (cJswI)

68 So who has more credibility at this point?

A. Mexican wrestlers
B. Hillary!
C. Donald Trump
D. GOPe
E. Jeb
F. Democrat Party
G. Hookers
H. Fox News
I. CNN
J. Bernie Sanders
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 20, 2015 05:31 PM (Jwyij)

K. Nigerian e-mail bankers

Posted by: filbert at August 20, 2015 05:34 PM (JvPqF)

69 the whining...and y'all are supposed to be conservatives? I mean f*ck CNN, but this whining about a few on the bottom of a umpteen-sized field getting left out smells much like the "everyone gets a trophy" culture. Just because you're baby didn't make the finals a year before the actual election is pussy sh*t.

Posted by: WTP at August 20, 2015 05:34 PM (l2max)

70 In his Time interview, he said that Fox pulled in 20MM+ viewers because of him.

Trump asked, what if I told CNN to donate $10MM for cancer research or AIDS research or I wouldn't show up.

Hilarious.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 20, 2015 05:34 PM (q5APL)

71 I just don't see her not being there as being relatively impactful.

Posted by: The Political Hat

It doesn't matter. There is a larger principle at stake here.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2015 05:34 PM (LAe3v)

72 For starters, Why the eff is this format called a "debate"?

Aside from a couple back-and-forths between Christie and Paul on NSA spying, there WAS no debate between candidates during the last meeting.

Why not call it what it is, a "Chance for the Media to Ask Loaded and Inane Questions with only a Minute to Answer in order to Pick the Candidates off, One by One"?

Posted by: Lemme 'Splain at August 20, 2015 05:35 PM (FkgZk)

73 Fiorina deserves to be at the Big Boy table, but Kasich, Perry, Huckabee, and Christy need to get the hell out of the way. That would make plenty of room for her.

Posted by: Covert Revolutionary at August 20, 2015 05:35 PM (SJi0a)

74 The CNN debate methodology, released earlier this year, weighs polls from July 16 to Sept. 10.

The only correct methodology should be surveys since the last debate.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 20, 2015 05:35 PM (oVJmc)

75 Trump won't stand up for Carly . She dissed him on the Mehgan blood comment. The Donald don't forget .

Posted by: Cruzinator

We'll see. The Donald generally does whatever is in the Donald's interest.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2015 05:36 PM (LAe3v)

76 Any debate with Jeb Bush participating is a fucking joke to be ignored anyway. Who gives a shit.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at August 20, 2015 05:36 PM (ucDmr)

77 How about 4 or 6 sub-panels. All the candidates get assigned to a sub-panel and they alternate who debates with who. And all the candidates get a break during the debates, as they are not on all the time.

Use a cheesy football theme with quarters and halftime if you want.

(And if they are smart, they could parlay this into a multi-night event.)

Posted by: rd at August 20, 2015 05:36 PM (a/sAS)

78 It is an outrage that CNN is not giving a retired businesswoman a platform to recite her talking points in a quasi-debate format. Fuck those guys!

Posted by: Jose Canseco Eligible Voter at August 20, 2015 05:36 PM (+lsX1)

79 Posted by: WTP at August 20, 2015 05:34 PM (l2max)

When your lazy coworker gets a raise and you don't , is your complaint considered whining?

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 20, 2015 05:36 PM (cJswI)

80 The only correct methodology should be surveys since the last debate.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel

The only correct methodology is
1) F*** you CNN
2) Every declared candidate gets an equal chance at every debate.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2015 05:37 PM (LAe3v)

81
I was told there'd be no myth.
Posted by: Athena
......................
I was told there'd be no moth.

Posted by: Godzilla at August 20, 2015 05:37 PM (wAQA5)

82 CNN? Hard news?
Since when?

Posted by: Mr. Wolf at August 20, 2015 05:37 PM (rD+jq)

83 Posted by: pep at August 20, 2015 05:36 PM (LAe3v)

True dat

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 20, 2015 05:37 PM (cJswI)

84 the whining...and y'all are supposed to be conservatives? I mean f*ck CNN, but this whining about a few on the bottom of a umpteen-sized field getting left out smells much like the "everyone gets a trophy" culture. Just because you're baby didn't make the finals a year before the actual election is pussy sh*t.
Posted by: WTP at August 20, 2015 05:34 PM (l2max)

You do get that a fundamental criticism of "journalism" is that their editorial decisions of what to cover (and more importantly, what NOT to cover) is rabidly, pathologically biased, yes?

So why then should we trust these same "journalists" to pick who is and isn't included in a field of primary candidates for President of a party they, almost unanimously, viscerally despise?

Posted by: filbert at August 20, 2015 05:38 PM (JvPqF)

85 >>I just don't see her not being there as being relatively impactful.

Carly is the biggest Hillary critic of all the GOP candidates, and she showcases exactly how empty Hillary's "vote for me because I'm a woman" pitch is.

I recall in the 2012 race the MSM really hounded Bachman and the Little Ceasar's guy (forget his name), and then as soon as they dropped out began w/the GOP is just a bunch of white men crap.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2015 05:38 PM (NOIQH)

86 @69

Why does it have to be Fiorina who gets left out? She has performed better than Huckabee. He should go back to the Kiddie Table.

Posted by: Covert Revolutionary at August 20, 2015 05:38 PM (SJi0a)

87 "When your lazy coworker gets a raise and you don't , is your complaint considered whining?"

YES...FUCKING YES YES YES...Jesus H Tapdancing Christ WTF is wrong with you people. F'em...get a job somewhere else...get publicity some other way. Christ. No wonder conservatives lose.

Posted by: WTP at August 20, 2015 05:38 PM (kZVsz)

88 (And if they are smart, they could parlay this into a multi-night event.)

Posted by: rd

You're on to something. I mean, 24M viewers? How does that compare to the network's latest "reality" show offering?

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2015 05:38 PM (LAe3v)

89 "The game is rigged."

Fuck you. War. Queensberry rules, gentlemen.

Posted by: rebel flounder at August 20, 2015 05:38 PM (Vf5rR)

90 The only correct methodology should be surveys since the last debate.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 20, 2015 05:35 PM (oVJmc)

And admit that a competitor news channel exists? These people are waaayyy too petty to allow reason and common sense ideas like that.

Posted by: rd at August 20, 2015 05:38 PM (a/sAS)

91 Jeb Bush is like Bitch McConnel without the hard candy assed shell.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at August 20, 2015 05:39 PM (ucDmr)

92 Any debate with Jeb Bush participating is a fucking joke to be ignored anyway. Who gives a shit.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo

This.
Nobody wants El Jeb.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at August 20, 2015 05:39 PM (awspb)

93 So who's moderating the thing? Cuz if it's the usual CNN Democratic hack, a guy like Trump can probably score big time cred by saying "fuck you" and walking off the stage.

Posted by: tu3031 at August 20, 2015 05:39 PM (YFFpo)

94 Can't wait to see the questions.

"Mr. Trump, when did you stop raping your former wife, Ivanka?"

"Mr. Rubio, when did you stop pissing away your money in extravagances like yachts like a Cuban drug dealer?"

****

"Mr. Rubio, isn't it true you named your extravagant yacht ,"My Leetle Fren"??

Posted by: Lemme 'Splain at August 20, 2015 05:39 PM (FkgZk)

95 I will watch just to see Trump call Wolfie an overrated has-been and Crowley's bleeding Big Macs.

Posted by: Cheri at August 20, 2015 05:39 PM (oiNtH)

96 Cruzinator:

Yep.

She was already working on her anti-Trump orders in the first debate re her comment "I didn't need to get a call from Bill Clinton to decide to run."

Easy to hit a man when he's not there.

You know who also got a call from Bill Clinton, it was Jeb Bush, in early July, who assured him that this "Trump thing" will be "taken care of" in the debates.

An allegedly "friendly" network through their biggest and best punch and had secret plans to humiliate Trump even further, and he laughed in their faces.

Newsflash motherfuckers: We. Don't. Fucking. Care.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 20, 2015 05:39 PM (q5APL)

97 You do get that a fundamental criticism of
"journalism" is that their editorial decisions of what to cover (and
more importantly, what NOT to cover) is rabidly, pathologically biased,
yes?

So why then should we trust these same "journalists" to pick who is
and isn't included in a field of primary candidates for President of a
party they, almost unanimously, viscerally despise?

Posted by: filbert

Precisamente.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2015 05:40 PM (LAe3v)

98 A lot of money changed hands on this one.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 20, 2015 05:40 PM (Z9g7j)

99 >>Why does it have to be Fiorina who gets left out? She has performed better than Huckabee. He should go back to the Kiddie Table.

Exactly, Fiorina jumped in the polls after the first debate. They don't want to give her any more exposure, to protect Hillary (because who besides Trump is likely to bash her?), and to maintain the myth that the GOP is anti-woman.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2015 05:41 PM (NOIQH)

100 Posted by: WTP at August 20, 2015 05:38 PM (kZVsz)

According to your idiotic philosophy you're not allowed to criticize or make any complaint. Just lay back and think of Britain.

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 20, 2015 05:41 PM (cJswI)

101 Trump won't stand up for Carly . She dissed him on the Mehgan blood comment. The Donald don't forget .

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 20, 2015 05:34 PM (cJswI)

Of course I'll stand up for Carly. She deserves to be on the big stage - even if she's no longer a 10.

Posted by: The Donald at August 20, 2015 05:41 PM (nFdGS)

102 sigh: threw

Posted by: prescient11 at August 20, 2015 05:41 PM (q5APL)

103 I vote against CNN. Just on principle.

Oh, they aren't on the ballot? I thought this was a campaign promise.

Asshats.

Posted by: tcn in AK at August 20, 2015 05:42 PM (+YMhA)

104 "
I will watch just to see Trump call Wolfie an overrated has-been and Crowley's bleeding Big Macs.

Posted by: Cheri at August 20, 2015 05:39 PM (oiNtH)"
----------------
What are the odds that Trump brings up how stupid Blitzer's Jeopardy performance was? I mean -$25,000 MINUS and the man is thought to be smart. Blitzer will not ask Trump a question is my bet.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at August 20, 2015 05:42 PM (f+6Pd)

105 G. Hookers

I'm going with hookers for $1,000 Alex. That one in Vegas notwithstanding. I would have sworn she was a she!

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 20, 2015 05:42 PM (5buP8)

106

Yeah, well, they can't have a competent woman on the stage to show up Hillary.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 20, 2015 05:42 PM (qCMvj)

107 Exactly, Fiorina jumped in the polls after the first debate. They don't want to give her any more exposure, to protect Hillary (because who besides Trump is likely to bash her?), and to maintain the myth that the GOP is anti-woman.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2015 05:41 PM (NOIQH)

"Protecting Hillary" is rapidly becoming moot.

One can hope.

Posted by: filbert at August 20, 2015 05:43 PM (JvPqF)

108 Here's hoping Trump mistakes candy Crowley for Rosie O'Donnell.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 20, 2015 05:43 PM (oVJmc)

109 Next, we will discover that Google sways voters, oh, wait:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/qab75f7

Note that the most vulnerable people are Republicans. Sadly, many, MANY conservatives continue to feed the Google beast. They are *evil* folks. STOP using them, for *anything*.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 20, 2015 05:43 PM (9mTYi)

110 Who are the people still watching CNN? You have to be a Moron to think that place is even reasonable let alone legitimate. Anderson Pooper Sniffer is their lead talent.......Nuff Said!

Posted by: Covert Revolutionary at August 20, 2015 05:44 PM (SJi0a)

111 CNN is dead?

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at August 20, 2015 05:44 PM (RFeQD)

112

Debate Fiorina (or whoever) in real time during the CNN debate. Let them answer the questions, too. Dueling cable.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 20, 2015 05:44 PM (qCMvj)

113 "According to your idiotic philosophy you're not allowed to criticize or make any complaint. Just lay back and think of Britain."

Goddamn strawman pussy shit, So sorry I hurt your feelings. People need to stop giving a rat's ass about what the MSM fucks say and do. You give them the power.

These debates are f'n theater anyway. While i don't want to totally discount the ability to think and such on one's feet, more important is having positions that matter, that change things.

Posted by: WTP at August 20, 2015 05:44 PM (kZVsz)

114 I was told there'd be no myth.
Posted by: Athena
......................
I was told there'd be no moth.

Posted by: Godzilla

I was told there'd be no meth.
I can fix that though, mind you.

Posted by: Heisenberg at August 20, 2015 05:44 PM (2l5vw)

115 Here's hoping Trump mistakes candy Crowley for Rosie O'Donnell.
Posted by: Pappy
--------------

And that he has a damp towel to wipe away the smeared menses.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 20, 2015 05:44 PM (9mTYi)

116 Here's hoping Trump mistakes candy Crowley for Rosie O'Donnell.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel

Well, they were separated at birth, weren't they?

Just spitballin' here.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at August 20, 2015 05:44 PM (RFeQD)

117 >>Who are the people still watching CNN?

Yo!

Posted by: Captive audience at airport at August 20, 2015 05:45 PM (NOIQH)

118 Will Subway be keeping its' Kids Meal on the menu? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Jared Fogle at August 20, 2015 05:45 PM (7eQGn)

119 Also, see what I said above about Fiorina getting more out of winning the kiddie debate than the third place finisher (who was that?) in the big-boy one.

Posted by: WTP at August 20, 2015 05:45 PM (sPO/s)

120 They are *evil* folks. STOP using them, for *anything*.
*BING*BING*BING*

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 20, 2015 05:45 PM (5buP8)

121 If the 17 of em had real balls they would boycott this charade.

As per a caller on Rush today I would not be surprised if Trump boycotts it regardless of CNN's BS. He could just up and say Ferk it. I don't need to stand up there and answer you libtard's stupid question.

Posted by: NUECES at August 20, 2015 05:45 PM (avlDR)

122 CNN is the "hard news network" like I'm "hard" when I look at pictures of Lena Dunham.

Posted by: Seems Legit at August 20, 2015 05:45 PM (Xa4vS)

123 Posted by: WTP at August 20, 2015 05:44 PM (kZVsz)

Quit your whining.

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 20, 2015 05:45 PM (cJswI)

124
If you do not specify, well in advance, the criteria that will be used to make a decision, you can post-hoc choose which criteria to include, and how to weight each criterion, in order to give you the panel that you already had in mind.

The qualifications for the CNN debate at the Reagan Library have been available since May 20th. That's well in advance.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 20, 2015 05:46 PM (kdS6q)

125 What are the odds that Trump brings up how stupid Blitzer's Jeopardy performance was? I mean -$25,000 MINUS and the man is thought to be smart. Blitzer will not ask Trump a question is my bet.
Posted by: Jukin
--------------

My favorite 'media' contestant was Chris Matthews.
Deer in the headlights, through the entire show.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 20, 2015 05:46 PM (9mTYi)

126 Bing-badda-Bing

Posted by: Cheri at August 20, 2015 05:46 PM (oiNtH)

127 You know some times you have to threat women like shit.

Posted by: The Clown Donald at August 20, 2015 05:46 PM (0FSuD)

128 "4 Why are we doing Republican debates on CNFreakingN?"

Because RNC.

Posted by: Nickie Goomba at August 20, 2015 05:46 PM (ggBc/)

129 I will watch just to see Trump call Wolfie an overrated has-been and Crowley's bleeding Big Macs.

Posted by: Cheri at August 20, 2015 05:39 PM (oiNtH)"
----------------
What are the odds that Trump brings up how stupid Blitzer's Jeopardy performance was? I mean -$25,000 MINUS and the man is thought to be smart. Blitzer will not ask Trump a question is my bet.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at August 20, 2015 05:42 PM

How about this for a debate format?

The Talking Heads are up on stage and Trump gets to ask them questions?

They could do it for charity.

Posted by: rd at August 20, 2015 05:46 PM (a/sAS)

130
Show us your tits Carly. Oops, did I say something wrong? *grin*

Posted by: Donald's Ear Trumpet at August 20, 2015 05:46 PM (wAQA5)

131
We welcome Donald Trump to the debate, and he will be axed the first and most important question.

"Mr Trump, as the front runner, do you regret having called various women pigs, sluts, whores, snakes, bitches, gold diggers, or women incapable of producing value but simply riding the high hard ones of successful males?"

Posted by: CNN at August 20, 2015 05:47 PM (OiFtZ)

132 What are the odds that Trump brings up how stupid
Blitzer's Jeopardy performance was? I mean -$25,000 MINUS and the man is
thought to be smart. Blitzer will not ask Trump a question is my bet.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican

Blitzer, what kind of name is that?

Did you help pull Santa's sleigh last year?

Blitzer?

Posted by: Sean Connery, game show star at August 20, 2015 05:47 PM (RFeQD)

133 and here you all thought the Fixx was just a music group....

Posted by: BB Wolf at August 20, 2015 05:47 PM (qh617)

134 76 Any debate with Jeb Bush participating is a fucking joke to be ignored anyway. Who gives a shit.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at August 20, 2015 05:36 PM (ucDmr)

Um, we do.

Posted by: Association of Doughy Men Without Shoulders at August 20, 2015 05:47 PM (CNua6)

135 See, it's not that Libs want a woman in power, they want a particular woman in power and all others (excepting Warren) be damned.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at August 20, 2015 05:47 PM (PMlgt)

136 My favorite 'media' contestant was Chris Matthews.
Deer in the headlights, through the entire show.

Posted by: Mike Hammer

Too bad for Matthews that there were no categories in 'Drinks on the Job', 'Spittle", and 'Thrills up Legs'.

Posted by: Cheri at August 20, 2015 05:48 PM (oiNtH)

137
Ah yes, my CNN friend Blitz.

Posted by: Newt Gingrich at August 20, 2015 05:48 PM (OiFtZ)

138 Not if my universal remote control has anything to say about it.....

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 20, 2015 05:17 PM (xcrCh)
I have one on my Samsung Galaxy 5. Great fun to mute it. Drives the attendants nuts. They come back and turn it on. Then I turn it off. After about three tries, they give up.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 20, 2015 05:48 PM (0FSuD)

139 @117

I got a talking to by the Police in Nashville in some back room after some joker wouldn't change the channel in one of the airport resturaunts. I was the only one in there, and he wouldn't change it. We got into a heated argument, after he claimed that it is "airport policy" that it had to be on CNN.

I asked him if he voted for Obama, and he called the cops on me. F'n Sissy!

Posted by: Covert Revolutionary at August 20, 2015 05:49 PM (SJi0a)

140 We're not exonerating the gope for this, are we?

Posted by: BurtTC at August 20, 2015 05:49 PM (ZE0GF)

141 118
Will Subway be keeping its' Kids Meal on the menu? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Jared Fogle at August 20, 2015 05:45 PM (7eQGn)

Thanks, bro!

Posted by: Zombie Jeffrey Dahmer at August 20, 2015 05:49 PM (Vf5rR)

142 See, it's not that Libs want a woman in power, they want a particular woman in power and all others (excepting Warren) be damned.
Posted by: Niedermeyer
--------------

Parallel: Justice Thomas, Dr. Ben Carson, Condi Rice, Dr. Sowell, etc.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 20, 2015 05:50 PM (9mTYi)

143
This, however, is a legitimate issue:

Due to the limited size of the seating area, tickets are not available to the general public and cannot be purchased.

http://www.reaganfoundation.org/

So again, an audience made up overwhelmingly of those on the friends lists of the RNC and CNN, and the 15 candidates who aren't Trump.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 20, 2015 05:50 PM (kdS6q)

144 I will say again, we have the technology to make an ACTUAL debate...

Once per week, every candidate is given a question.

He can then make a 5 minute video of HIM talking, and make his answer.

All will be posted in a FREE forum (you tube?)...

Each candidate can then ALSO later submit a ONE minute question/ response to his opponents, which will be able to be viewed from the original Video.

THIS is how we, the electorate, can find out what the candidates THINK.... not just how well they represent on STAGE, while asked stupid question by pundits.... and not given sufficient TIME to actually give a substantive answer.

Posted by: BB Wolf at August 20, 2015 05:52 PM (qh617)

145
"Dennis Ball-Bey said his son never disclosed which school he planned to attend soon."

I dont think he was going to go off to college next week...

http://goo.gl/N9SBzE

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 20, 2015 05:53 PM (iQIUe)

146 It should be noted that this is how much science is practised. Everyone has an agenda, and that agenda influences their choices before during, and after analysis.

This is why good science is so hard. In a corporation, the agenda is to make your product, or your process, or your department, or you, look good. In academic research, the agenda is getting published and getting more grants.

I am amazed at the respect people seem to have for "science" without understanding that the same whores that used to tell you that cigarettes keep you healthy are now telling you that banning plastic bags will save the earth from certain doom.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at August 20, 2015 05:53 PM (LWu6U)

147 Holy fuck, Rubio is done. Toast.

Are you fucking kidding me?

Posted by: prescient11 at August 20, 2015 05:53 PM (q5APL)

148 I got a talking to by the Police in Nashville in some back room after some joker wouldn't change the channel in one of the airport resturaunts. I was the only one in there, and he wouldn't change it. We got into a heated argument, after he claimed that it is "airport policy" that it had to be on CNN.

I would have used my Peel Smart Remote app on my smartphone to change the channel.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 20, 2015 05:53 PM (MOpDc)

149 "CNN should repudiate the FoxNews model -- which was done for showmanship, not civic engagement"

Why would they... ?

"If CNN is truly the "hard news network" and better than Fox..."

OH, I think I see the faulty premise in your logical argument.

It was well hidden, but maybe with some work you can tease out why this isn't an argument that will carry the day with CNN.

I'll warn you, look quickly or it might be eaten by a black hole; like that airliner was.

Posted by: gekkobear at August 20, 2015 05:53 PM (kq7Of)

150 "Rubio is done. Toast."

I know a lot of people like him, but in reality he was always only running for VP....so if he is done, he still has a shot at VP.

Posted by: Covert Revolutionary at August 20, 2015 05:54 PM (SJi0a)

151 147 -

What did Ruby oh do, why is he done??

Posted by: BurtTC at August 20, 2015 05:55 PM (ZE0GF)

152 134 76 Any debate with Jeb Bush participating is a fucking joke to be ignored anyway. Who gives a shit.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at August 20, 2015 05:36 PM (ucDmr)

Um, we do.

Posted by: Association of Doughy Men Without Shoulders at August 20, 2015 05:47 PM (CNua6)

Well.... we are looking for a new spokes person.... but don't want to stray too far from our previous commercials...

Posted by: Pillsbury, home of the Doughboy... at August 20, 2015 05:55 PM (qh617)

153 "Protecting Hillary" is rapidly becoming moot.

One can hope.

Posted by: filbert

On that we disagree. If Hillary melts into the floor like the wicked witch, and I think she will, the Dems will be absolutely frantic to destroy any other woman candidate, since they've gotten all their fangurlz all spun up about a woman president. Of course, when Warren runs, that all changes.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2015 05:56 PM (LAe3v)

154 @149

Oh Snap!.......I like your style!

Posted by: Covert Revolutionary at August 20, 2015 05:56 PM (SJi0a)

155 "Trump toying with the idea that CNN should make a $10 million donation to charity if the network wants him to take part in its upcoming debate"

- CNN Money, just minutes ago

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 20, 2015 05:57 PM (NaeCR)

156 155
"Trump toying with the idea that CNN should make a $10 million donation
to charity if the network wants him to take part in its upcoming
debate"

Troll level: Grand Master

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2015 05:57 PM (LAe3v)

157 OT/Carry-over from last thread:

@Breitbart: Anchor Babies are big business

Immigration attorney Kyle Barella is pleased that GOP frontrunner Donald Trump brought the "anchor baby" discussion to the forefront, as Barella said this has become a big money business for companies that provide wealthy foreign mothers neonatal and delivery services in the United States, so their child can become a U.S. citizen.

Barella explained exclusively to Breitbart News that the birth right citizenship law --- although legal ---is being abused by these companies. According to Barella...the companies are targeting wealthy foreigners from countries such as China and Russia, at times making $99,000 dollars per sale."

It's a racket.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2015 05:57 PM (NOIQH)

158
See, it's not that Libs want a woman in power, they want a particular woman in power...
.....................
and if they can't have a woman then a pussy will do

Posted by: wth at August 20, 2015 05:58 PM (wAQA5)

159 "Dennis Ball-Bey said his son never disclosed which school he planned to attend soon."

He's a GOOD BOY/aspiring rapper!

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 20, 2015 05:58 PM (oVJmc)

160 Which one will utter the last death rattle, GOP or CNN?

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at August 20, 2015 05:58 PM (ktt8p)

161 Posted by: WTP at August 20, 2015 05:44 PM (kZVsz)

Quit your whining.
Posted by: Cruzinator at August 20, 2015 05:45 PM (cJswI)

Very well played.

Posted by: filbert at August 20, 2015 05:59 PM (JvPqF)

162 "released earlier this year"

Tuesday.

Posted by: Semi-literate Thug at August 20, 2015 05:59 PM (42Xuw)

163 They're clearly afraid of Fiorina, she would completely own Hillary

She's not a perfect candidate, but I would gladly have her as our nominee. Just please, someone that can fight

Posted by: Coolio at August 20, 2015 06:00 PM (8gGI+)

164 >> "Trump toying with the idea that CNN should make a $10 million donation to charity if the network wants him to take part in its upcoming debate"

Heh. Reminds me of that threatening letter that Harry Reid sent to Rush Limbaugh that, instead of silencing him, Rush auctioned off and donated the proceeds to an org that provides scholarships to the children of fallen soldier.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2015 06:00 PM (NOIQH)

165 He's a GOOD BOY/aspiring rapper!
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel

On his way home from choir practice.

Posted by: Dindoo Nuttin at August 20, 2015 06:00 PM (awspb)

166 If only there was some group of loudmouthed outspoken group of annoying whiny individuals that weren't busy making sammiches and that could raise a stink about inclusiveness and diversity of a woman's perspective at the main GOP debate.

Posted by: rebel flounder at August 20, 2015 06:00 PM (Vf5rR)

167
It will be even more rigged when question time comes and pay attention to who they put on the ends. Those are the people they won't want to show. Probably those dastardly hispanic guys.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 20, 2015 06:01 PM (ODxAs)

168 They're clearly afraid of Fiorina, she would completely own Hillary

She's not a perfect candidate, but I would gladly have her as our nominee. Just please, someone that can fight

Posted by: Coolio at August 20, 2015 06:00 PM (8gGI+)

Maybe it would be helpful for her to pay CNN to run a battery of polls for her.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 20, 2015 06:01 PM (NaeCR)

169 This will be Clownshow II with more finger wagging.

Posted by: Fritz at August 20, 2015 06:01 PM (UzPAd)

170 On that we disagree. If Hillary melts into the floor like the wicked witch, and I think she will, the Dems will be absolutely frantic to destroy any other woman candidate, since they've gotten all their fangurlz all spun up about a woman president. Of course, when Warren runs, that all changes.
Posted by: pep at August 20, 2015 05:56 PM (LAe3v)

Oh, yes. Protecting The Party will make Protecting Hillary look like nothing in comparison.

It'll get worse before it gets better. If it ever gets better.

Posted by: filbert at August 20, 2015 06:01 PM (JvPqF)

171 Carly carries a BIG no HUUUUGE TRUMP SIZE dildo for Hillies critter..

Posted by: Mark Set at August 20, 2015 06:01 PM (/WmRg)

172 This might be a exception to the rule that they do what they do just for the ratings. I'm guessing lefties want Trump to stay ahead and keep Fiorina off the charts.

Posted by: Skip at August 20, 2015 06:02 PM (eG71m)

173 Troll level: Grand Master
Posted by: pep at August 20, 2015 05:57 PM (LAe3v)

Don't be saying "master," now. That's on the Proscribed List, I believe.

Posted by: filbert at August 20, 2015 06:02 PM (JvPqF)

174 Only one thing is certain.

Anchor-baby!
Anchor-baby!
Anchor-baby!
Anchor-baby!
Anchor-baby!
Anchor-baby!
Anchor-baby!
Anchor-baby!
Anchor-baby!
Anchor-baby!

Posted by: USA at August 20, 2015 06:02 PM (tfM+W)

175 Burnt Toast and Pep:

Yep, I made that point earlier. It's awesome!!

Covert:

Rubio is so fucking stupid that he doesn't realize he is DQ'ing himself, AGAIN. No, he's done for VP if a non-GOPe candidate wins.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 20, 2015 06:02 PM (q5APL)

176 "Debate Rules Will Probably Result in Exact Same Lineup As Fox Debate"

Same thing with the "random debate questions" from the audience. The debate producers/moderators go down the list of questions submitted, see the one they themselves want to ask, and then, like magic, it gets cherry-picked and asked. See? Totally unbiased curiosity from the public wanting to get to the hot daily issue. #MSMDebateIntegrity

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 20, 2015 06:03 PM (1CroS)

177 If trump wins, will he cover the Washington monument in gold leaf?

He should claim that. I think it would be cool. symbolic.

Back in the 80's, trump would by properties around the world, paint them gold and put his name on them and then run up tons of debt and go bankrupt. No one realized that it was all a snake oil show. There was no value in his value proposition. All he brought to the table was a can of gold paint, and his name. That stuff made the paper value soar, but it did nothing for the fundamentals and eventually led to bankruptcy. Before that though, he would pillage assets and profit personally.

Well, I think that is pretty much where we are with the US economy.All we need is the gold paint and a big "trump" sign.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at August 20, 2015 06:03 PM (LWu6U)

178 If trump wins, will he cover the Washington monument in gold leaf?

Me, I want pubes on the Statue of Liberty.

Posted by: pep at August 20, 2015 06:05 PM (LAe3v)

179 Burnt Toast and Pep:

Yep, I made that point earlier. It's awesome!!

Posted by: prescient11 at August 20, 2015 06:02 PM (q5APL)

Ah, there it is #70

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 20, 2015 06:06 PM (NaeCR)

180 I think it was awesome for Ace to get Carly on the podcast, but serious question, has any other candidate been asked? I mean why just Carly? Graham. Fuck, even Perry, isn't he just about dead on the vine? Anybody else. Jim fucking Gilmore (why is he in the race again?)

Aside from Jindal and Santorum, Carly was debating retards.

And if you think Trump has held some liberal positions, you're gonna love yourself some Carly!!!

LOL

Posted by: prescient11 at August 20, 2015 06:06 PM (q5APL)

181 Me, I want pubes on the Statue of Liberty.
Posted by: pep

Shouldn't it have pit-hair? I mean, it is French.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at August 20, 2015 06:07 PM (awspb)

182 Cruz-Trump alliance been developing behind the scenes, including calls and meetings....there was a story at Breitbart about it yesterday (can't find the link)

Posted by: Lizzy at August 20, 2015 06:07 PM (NOIQH)

183 Darn, no serious discussion on Climate Change now. What a loss.

Posted by: Valiant at August 20, 2015 06:07 PM (2bqlb)

184 150 "Rubio is done. Toast."
I know a lot of people like him, but in reality he was always only running for VP....so if he is done, he still has a shot at VP.
Posted by: Covert Revolutionary at August 20, 2015 05:54 PM (SJi0a)

At this early stage, it looks to me like they are all running for VP.
Even Cruz.

Posted by: jwb7605 at August 20, 2015 06:07 PM (M+9nV)

185 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at August 20, 2015 06:08 PM (W6iIX)

186 "The game is rigged."

No criticism intended at you, ace, but it's not entirely about "rigging" now, is it? It is the "Anybody But A Politician" crowd who are supporting Trump and Carson who have made this happen every just as much as the debate organizers.

I keep hearing how "it's early" and none of this matters anyway, right?

This is all a game and not just to the Dreaded GOPe and MSM. It's a game to millions of lazy (potential or maybe not even) voters.

Posted by: Y-not at August 20, 2015 06:11 PM (RWGcK)

187 jwb7605: "At this early stage, it looks to me like they are all running for VP.
Even Cruz."

And that seems about right at the moment. Trump is driving the bus. It seems like any issue can just sit and smolder, unnoticed, until Trump walks by and dumps oxygen on it. Then it and Trump eat up the news cycle. It's pretty impressive given Trump is just a "clown".

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 20, 2015 06:12 PM (1CroS)

188 Jesus Christ, there are 8 more of these things. It's bloody August for God's sake. If any of the candidates who don't qualify for this one have any ability and gumption, they have 7 more chances after this one.

Stop seeing conspiracies behind every fucking tree. Fiorina went from nowheresville to top of the minor league crew after one debate. If she really has got "it," she should be able to crack the top division by debate #3.

People need to chill the fuck out about some of this stuff. Not a vote has been cast yet and none will be for six more months. Settle down, Beavis.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 20, 2015 06:14 PM (ljZD2)

189 We have looked at our data, and have decided that we should re air the Lincoln Douglas debates, because they were by far the two most popular Candidates...

Uh.... we do have tape on that... don't we?

Posted by: CNN at August 20, 2015 06:14 PM (qh617)

190 Jeb and Kasaich have conservative records that mirror McConnell and Boehner.
They should step back and let some new blood in.

Posted by: Drider at August 20, 2015 06:14 PM (6Xbsz)

191
Trump can move the overton window like a champ.
Everyone is talking about anchor-babies and birth-right citizenship.

Rush is even bringing up colonization/invasion rather than us immigration

Posted by: Yo! at August 20, 2015 06:15 PM (W6iIX)

192 stop whining, trumpetdaddy...jk

Posted by: WTP at August 20, 2015 06:15 PM (l2max)

193 If the Dim ticket ends up being Diamond Joe and Princess Lieawatha, it would be nice to have Jindal on the GOP ticket. At least there would be one authentic . . . oh never mind.

Posted by: Furious George at August 20, 2015 06:15 PM (UlJ3l)

194 4 Why are we doing Republican debates on CNFreakingN?
Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Hardline Sanity Prod at August 20, 2015 05:15 PM (q20+R)

^^This. After the Candy Crowley incident, CNN should be permanently shut out of Republican debates.

That the GOPe hasn't done that indicates that they don't have a problem with it.

Posted by: rickl at August 20, 2015 06:15 PM (sdi6R)

195 Only pussies post angry insulting comments on a dead thread.

Posted by: Dick Morris at August 20, 2015 06:16 PM (HstNY)

196 >>>26 The most efficient virtual memory paging strategy would be to page out the pages that will be used furthest in the future. But of course you can't know that in advance, only retroactively.
Explain?

Posted by: m at August 20, 2015 06:17 PM (ELEPX)

197 That the GOPe hasn't done that indicates that they don't have a problem with it.
Posted by: rickl
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I'm only surprised that the 'debate' moderators are not Stephie and Candy.
"Sure. That suits us fine" - GOPe

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 20, 2015 06:17 PM (9mTYi)

198 So Carly's PAC's biggest donor is....

Wait for it....

Wait for it...

UNIVISION.

I'm fine with her at the kiddie table.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 20, 2015 06:18 PM (q5APL)

199 If the Dim ticket ends up being Diamond Joe and
Princess Lieawatha, it would be nice to have Jindal on the GOP ticket.
At least there would be one authentic . . . oh never mind.

Posted by: Furious George at August 20, 2015 06:15 PM (UlJ3l)

Like Obamao, Jindal was born a duel national ?
I did not know that.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 20, 2015 06:18 PM (NaeCR)

200 Only pussies post angry insulting comments on a dead thread.
Posted by: Dick Morris
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This is about me, isn't it?

Posted by: Hector at August 20, 2015 06:18 PM (9mTYi)

201 "stop whining, trumpetdaddy...jk"

JK? Jurgen Klinsmann posts on AoSHQ? This place is hitting the big time. Thanks for bringing Tim Howard, the Secretary of Defense, back into the side for the Brazil and Peru matches. DaMarcus Beasley, not so much, though.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 20, 2015 06:18 PM (ljZD2)

202 nood

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 20, 2015 06:19 PM (JO9+V)

203 Posted by: Dick Morris at August 20, 2015 06:16 PM (HstNY)

Politics is so out of whack and screwed up this year (with respect to "normal" years, like '12, etc.) that Fox might entertain hiring you back.

You are so cfuking goofy you could actually be right this year!

Posted by: jwb7605 at August 20, 2015 06:19 PM (M+9nV)

204 Posted by: prescient11 at August 20, 2015 06:18 PM (q5

If I ever had the chance I would take your keyboard and smash the shift key into smithereens .

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 20, 2015 06:20 PM (cJswI)

205 By gaming the criteria, I can produce, within certain limits, any field I
personally like, and then I can tell the people "This was all decided
by objective, cold math."

You make it sound like there's something wrong with that.

Posted by: The Inscrutable Yelp Algorithm at August 20, 2015 06:21 PM (oLZsm)

206 Fuck, I meant the cap lock key. Hell both of them.

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 20, 2015 06:21 PM (cJswI)

207 People need to chill the fuck out about some of this stuff.

You could always fuck off to someplace more your speed.

Posted by: FOAD at August 20, 2015 06:21 PM (M5JNI)

208 "You could always fuck off to someplace more your speed"

Now we're whining about the whining about the whining. I'm done.

Posted by: WTP at August 20, 2015 06:22 PM (kZVsz)

209 Now we're whining about the whining about the whining. I'm done.

STOP WHINING ABOUT THE WHINING ABOUT THE WHINING!

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 20, 2015 06:25 PM (oVJmc)

210 For the GOP to get anywhere near CNN just shows how outta touch they are. Simply freaking clueless.

Posted by: Frodus at August 20, 2015 07:39 PM (7OAjN)

211 Good. I think Fiorina stinks. She's a loser who accused Trump of alluding to Megyn's menstruating when he most certainly was NOT. I hope she never makes it to the "big kids" table. She's an idiot who uses gender politics to get her way. I also do not like her voice.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 20, 2015 07:53 PM (xetep)

212 Oh, and, Ace, of the "game was rigged" at CNN they would have made sure to get attack dog Fiorina in to hurt Trump. The GOP has assigned her to play gender politics against him so if anything, CNN does not of GOP's bidding.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 20, 2015 07:54 PM (xetep)

213 How sure are we that Carly is left out? She will have been in the Top 5 for most of that period of time. Shouldn't that average her out at 5% or so weighted? That would put her above Christie and Kasich and maybe Cruz or the Huckster. Of course CNN's own polling has her lower than everywhere else does to begin with.

Posted by: Cjw at August 20, 2015 07:58 PM (7SQMF)

214 It is just another Establishment Production of the debate. It is a shame that the Reagan Library allows itself to be the venue for it. FOX and CNN would've been against Reagan too.

Hugh Hewitt is moderating, it'll be another "gotcha" attempt to knock Trump out of the race and clear the way for Jeb!, nothing more.

Posted by: Phil McKann at August 20, 2015 08:31 PM (DjpfO)

215 We need to crowd fund our own damn debate and show these assholes who is boss.

Posted by: Wits end at August 20, 2015 09:06 PM (cxb/7)

216 So, who would you eliminate to make room for Fiorina?

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 20, 2015 11:32 PM (EQoeI)

217 Just say no to FioRINO !!!!

Posted by: Louie at August 20, 2015 11:47 PM (CMNiL)

218 Fuck debates, and fuck primary elections. Go back to the old days of letting reasonably intelligent political pros pick viable candidates at the convention instead of this idiocracey we've got now.

Posted by: b moe at August 21, 2015 12:48 AM (LwmCH)

219 See http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-fox-news-still-isnt-saying-about-its-gop-debate/. By June 8, CNN had released all the criteria for its September 16 debate. That's more than three months in advance.

By contrast, Fox News didn't announce the criteria for its Aug. 6 debate until much closer to the event -- I'm not sure exactly when, but they hadn't done so by June 8, which was less than two months before their debate.

I'm not going to shill for CNN and say that their debate will be friendly to the Republican Party. However, Candy Crowley has retired and doesn't work for them any more, so let's give them credit for that.

Posted by: Joshua at August 21, 2015 12:56 PM (oCZ4e)

220 Good! I hate her with the heat of a thousand suns!! Dirty illegal lover!

Posted by: Ann C. at August 22, 2015 01:55 PM (9oCwD)

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