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Failure Theater, Act IV: Mitch McConnell Confesses, Sadly, That the Rules of the Game on the Iran Deal Are, For Some Reason, Stacked In Obama's Favor and He Doubts He Can Stop the Deal
Gee we really tried, by giving Obama the ability to pass this with a tiny fraction of Congress, and now it looks like we won't be able to stop him, because of the things we already did when no one was paying attention. Oh well. We sure tried though! Make sure you donate to us and vote for us!Passive voice "the deck is stacked in the president's favor" sounds so much better than active voice "several months ago we deliberately stacked the the deck in the president's favor, so that we could pretend to vote against the deal while having already passed it into law."
It looks like Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) may have thrown in the towel on the GOP’s effort to stop the Iran nuclear deal from going into effect. To reject the pact designed to rein in Tehran’s nuclear ambitions, a majority of Congress would need to vote against it. But a two-thirds majority would be required to overcome the president’s promised veto of the resolution of disapproval, including at least 13 Democrats in the Senate, something McConnell admitted looks unlikely. Obama "can win by getting one-third plus one of either house," McConnell told a business group at an event on Monday in Kentucky, according to the Associated Press. "So he’s still got a great likelihood of success." "I hope we can defeat it, but the procedure is obviously stacked in the president's favor," he told reporters after the event. "We'll see."
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: rebel flounder at August 19, 2015 04:00 PM (Vf5rR)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at August 19, 2015 04:03 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at August 19, 2015 04:04 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at August 19, 2015 04:04 PM (kff5f)
Because I nominate the GOPe for a lifetime achievement award.
Posted by: Lauren at August 19, 2015 04:04 PM (iciIB)
"Who did the stacking? Glad you asked, it was, uhhh....we're going to overturn obamacare."
Posted by: traye at August 19, 2015 04:05 PM (N8WBd)
Posted by: donna at August 19, 2015 04:05 PM (hUdMz)
Posted by: Wisrich at August 19, 2015 04:05 PM (hdpay)
Posted by: Beaver Cleaver, Serial Bomber at August 19, 2015 04:06 PM (JvPqF)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 19, 2015 04:06 PM (kvWer)
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 19, 2015 04:06 PM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Grumpyguy at August 19, 2015 04:06 PM (6OScs)
McCocksickle and Boehner enabled Obama to do this. The latter want the deal for the money.
As we say in Yiddish: "G-d should turn them into chandeliers, so they can swing by day and burn by night."
I mean it. They are traitors every bit as much as Obama.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 19, 2015 04:06 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Wisrich at August 19, 2015 04:06 PM (hdpay)
I mean, helpless, right?
Posted by: Lizzy at August 19, 2015 04:07 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 19, 2015 04:07 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: flugelhornpater at August 19, 2015 04:07 PM (ZtFr+)
Fixed that for him.
I hate the passive voice here, too. "The procedure is stacked." Not "we established the procedure," not even, "Democrats managed to stack the procedure..." nope... it just stacked itself, all miraculous-like.
I'm about >< this close to a PLR.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at August 19, 2015 04:07 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 19, 2015 04:07 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: donna at August 19, 2015 04:08 PM (hUdMz)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 19, 2015 04:08 PM (St6BJ)
Posted by: Uniparty Congress - Salivating Over That Sweet Iran Market at August 19, 2015 04:08 PM (HJqXj)
http://politi.co/1hmIeV2
Posted by: MTF at August 19, 2015 04:08 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: Lizzy at August 19, 2015 04:08 PM (NOIQH)
You can have all the words I didn't use while I was on vacation.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 19, 2015 04:08 PM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at August 19, 2015 04:08 PM (jsWA8)
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 19, 2015 04:08 PM (ftVQq)
I mean it. They are traitors every bit as much as Obama.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 19, 2015 04:06 PM (St6BJ)
Amen.
Not the type you want in your foxhole
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 19, 2015 04:08 PM (DUoqb)
Posted by: Covert Revolutionary at August 19, 2015 04:09 PM (SJi0a)
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at August 19, 2015 04:09 PM (X+nFp)
Posted by: blaster at August 19, 2015 04:09 PM (RaxiV)
Posted by: flugelhornpater at August 19, 2015 04:07 PM (ZtFr+)
You're saying he's "electable?"
Sounds good to me!
Posted by: filbert, momentarily pretending to be a GOP-LIV at August 19, 2015 04:09 PM (JvPqF)
Posted by: Covert Revolutionary at August 19, 2015 04:09 PM (SJi0a)
I think She's Asian...
Posted by: donna at August 19, 2015 04:09 PM (hUdMz)
says the guy who lead the battle to stack the procedure in the presidents favor.
Posted by: MTF at August 19, 2015 04:09 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 19, 2015 04:10 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: Covert Revolutionary at August 19, 2015 04:9 PM (SJi0a)
He is NOT married to a Black women. I think you need new glasses or a brain transplant
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 19, 2015 04:10 PM (DUoqb)
he told reporters after the event.
We'll see.
--
Geeze i wonder how THAT happened.
Posted by: willow at August 19, 2015 04:10 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: mallfly at August 19, 2015 04:10 PM (qSIlh)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at August 19, 2015 04:10 PM (kff5f)
Posted by: Lizzy at August 19, 2015 04:10 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 19, 2015 04:10 PM (F+8iM)
Posted by: East Bay Jay at August 19, 2015 04:10 PM (7v8o1)
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 19, 2015 04:11 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: Methos at August 19, 2015 04:11 PM (ZbV+0)
Posted by: donna at August 19, 2015 04:08 PM (hUdMz)
Perhaps, but that gives the republicans more credit than I do. A little waterboarding might reveal the real reason.
Posted by: just saying at August 19, 2015 04:11 PM (g0hKk)
Not the type you want in your foxhole
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 19, 2015 04:08 PM (DUoqb)
What?
You don't like being shot repeatedly in the back of your head while in that foxhole?
That's a pretty extreme position to take, don't you think?
Posted by: filbert, momentarily pretending to be a GOP-LIV at August 19, 2015 04:11 PM (JvPqF)
towel on the GOP's effort to stop the Iran nuclear deal from going into
effect."
Fuck you, war. But make it a "civil" war, mmm kay?
Posted by: rebel flounder at August 19, 2015 04:11 PM (Vf5rR)
Posted by: Giant , Quivering Trump-Hate Hard-on at August 19, 2015 04:11 PM (HJqXj)
When I told you that we were going to stop Obama's deal with Iran...
*dramatically puffs out chest, throws cape back*
ACTING!!!
Posted by: Mitch McConnell - Master Thespian at August 19, 2015 04:11 PM (0cMkb)
Posted by: filbert, momentarily pretending to be a GOP-LIV at August 19, 2015 04:11 PM (JvPqF)
Posted by: mallfly at August 19, 2015 04:11 PM (qSIlh)
*AHEM*
Posted by: Israel at August 19, 2015 04:11 PM (NOIQH)
I don't want Act III ruined before it happens.
Posted by: gwelf at August 19, 2015 04:12 PM (+7Usq)
I hope he can find that thing dangling between his legs and figure out he's a man.
Posted by: Defeated at August 19, 2015 04:12 PM (bpemY)
Thanks, I had a different one, that didn't seem to fit!
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 19, 2015 04:12 PM (ftVQq)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 19, 2015 04:12 PM (kvWer)
http://politi.co/1hmIeV2
Posted by: MTF at August 19, 2015 04:08 PM (LISuA)
We must increase domestic surveillance though.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 19, 2015 04:12 PM (F+8iM)
Posted by: MTF at August 19, 2015 04:12 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: filbert, momentarily pretending to be a GOP-LIV at August 19, 2015 04:12 PM (JvPqF)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 19, 2015 04:12 PM (DUoqb)
You obviously haven't learned that all Minorities are Black. Black Lives Matter...Moron!
Posted by: Covert Revolutionary at August 19, 2015 04:12 PM (SJi0a)
That must be a misprint.
Posted by: Methos
It is. It is supposed to say ...most definitely will...
Posted by: Aviator at August 19, 2015 04:12 PM (c7vUv)
Can't convince more than a couple of Dems to oppose it.
Why the fuck is this guy in charge again?
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 19, 2015 04:13 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: filbert, momentarily pretending to be a GOP-LIV at August 19, 2015 04:13 PM (JvPqF)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 19, 2015 04:13 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at August 19, 2015 04:13 PM (X+nFp)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at August 19, 2015 04:13 PM (4df7R)
Posted by: MTF at August 19, 2015 04:13 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: Covert Revolutionary at August 19, 2015 04:09 PM (SJi0a)
I think She's Asian...
Posted by: donna at August 19, 2015 04:09 PM (hUdMz)
She's a kappa.
Posted by: Mitch McConnell - Master Thespian at August 19, 2015 04:14 PM (0cMkb)
Can't convince more than a couple of Dems to oppose it.
Why the fuck is this guy in charge again?
I think Harry Reid is still in charge. It's basically the same thing.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 19, 2015 04:14 PM (F+8iM)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 19, 2015 04:14 PM (kvWer)
(Not really a sock so much as one of those toeless foot warmer thingies, but whatevs. Stupid OSX).
Posted by: filbert at August 19, 2015 04:14 PM (JvPqF)
Posted by: Covert Revolutionary at August 19, 2015 04:12 PM (SJi0a)
I normal times, I'd make fun of a statement like that, but ya know, your making a lot of sense all of a sudden
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 19, 2015 04:14 PM (DUoqb)
HAH! Republicans fall for that every frakkin' time.
LIBERTARIANISM SUCKS, AMIRITE OR AMIRITE?
Posted by: 13times at August 19, 2015 04:14 PM (WHVu+)
Posted by: donna at August 19, 2015 04:14 PM (hUdMz)
Posted by: Defeated
Tampon string?
Posted by: Moderate Salami, wondering why certain officials aren't imprisoned at August 19, 2015 04:15 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: MTF at August 19, 2015 04:13 PM (LISuA)
The Saudis are if anything more pissed off than we Morons are.
Start with Qom.
Posted by: filbert at August 19, 2015 04:15 PM (JvPqF)
Posted by: Dr. Sevrin at August 19, 2015 04:15 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: DaninMichigan at August 19, 2015 04:15 PM (2yD4G)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 19, 2015 04:15 PM (kvWer)
Posted by: Mitch McConnell - Master Thespian at August 19, 2015 04:14 PM (0cMkb)
I see what you did there.
Posted by: Austin in TX at August 19, 2015 04:15 PM (/6EeB)
Next time, boys. Next time.
Posted by: Marmo, person of pallor and world enemy at August 19, 2015 04:16 PM (QW+AD)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 19, 2015 04:16 PM (evdj2)
Just moar reason for Cruz to be VP and President of the Senate.
Posted by: CSMBigBird
The Sen Cruz that voted for the Corker Iran dodge. That guy?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 19, 2015 04:16 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Motorhead at August 19, 2015 04:16 PM (eA40J)
Posted by: rickb223 at August 19, 2015 04:16 PM (LImvu)
Posted by: Pineapple Torch at August 19, 2015 04:17 PM (/WmRg)
But now? They know, and they would rather cover for the administration, even though it may cost them their own lives.
It's a death cult!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 19, 2015 04:17 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 19, 2015 04:16 PM (kdS6q)
I thought he missed that vote entirely. Could be wrong tho.
Posted by: filbert at August 19, 2015 04:17 PM (JvPqF)
Someone on Obama's team will find a ditch that they can die in.
Posted by: rd at August 19, 2015 04:17 PM (a/sAS)
Posted by: filbert at August 19, 2015 04:17 PM (JvPqF)
He did. Something else must have been more important.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 19, 2015 04:18 PM (F+8iM)
That's why I'm going hog hunting that November.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 19, 2015 04:18 PM (LImvu)
ace, your contempt for the leadership is justified - hell, it's "moderate", given the stakes and the situation.
But just as an exercise, let's use your time machine, go back in history, and assume Corker never happened.
So the administration announces it is treating the agreement(s) as executive arrangements, like hundreds of other such agreements implemented by many previous presidents. No treaty status, no Senate procedure for treaties.
Nothing can be done about this, per se.
So what could Congress do? Well - pretty much exactly what it can do now. Directly, it can amend/reinstate/author new sanctions provisions in US law that the president is either waiving under legislated procedures or letting lapse. All such moves would be subject to the usual hurdles: Senate filibusters, presidential vetoes, need to over-ride said vetoes.
Corker or no Corker, the "legal" situation doesn't technically change. Congress can *always* impose laws incl. sanctions provisions if it can get past a president (and any court challenge, though that's not a player here). Congress can *always* deny funding, condition funding, hold nominees hostage in an effort to force a president to do/not do something.
Corker or no Corker, Congress can try to do anything it wants. It should burn down the building over this - but it should have also done so over O-care, and the abandonment of the constitutional budget process, and the complete and final transformation of the SCOTUS into a super-legislature for idiots.
The overall failure of leadership and competence and seriousness in the GOP leadership is very real. The Corker bill is not really a material or different part of that.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 19, 2015 04:18 PM (QDnY+)
If I actually believed in hell I'd hope this asshole would rot in it for eternity.
F-cking puke.
Posted by: Kreplach at August 19, 2015 04:18 PM (mysAS)
Someone on Obama's team will find a ditch that they can die in.
Posted by: rd at August 19, 2015 04:17 PM (a/sAS)
No . . . I think it more likely that Obama's team is searching for ditches that you and I can die in, actually.
Posted by: filbert at August 19, 2015 04:18 PM (JvPqF)
Posted by: tu3031 at August 19, 2015 04:18 PM (YFFpo)
Posted by: bergerbilder at August 19, 2015 04:18 PM (+jijM)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 19, 2015 04:16 PM (kdS6q)
I thought he missed that vote entirely. Could be wrong tho.
Posted by: filbert at August 19, 2015 04:17 PM (JvPqF)
I thought he voted present, but I could be wrong. LOL
Posted by: just saying at August 19, 2015 04:18 PM (g0hKk)
"If Iran is to acquire a nuclear bomb, it will not have my name on it," he added. "I will vote to disapprove the agreement and, if called upon, would vote to override a veto."
... put blood on the hands of 1/3 +1 Congress-critters
Posted by: Robert McNamara at August 19, 2015 04:18 PM (e8kgV)
The vision of the Trump/Mike Rowe ticket being declared the winner with a 50 state sweep at 6:30 pm on election day keeps me going.
Let freedom reign.
Posted by: jwest at August 19, 2015 04:18 PM (P/xrJ)
Posted by: Pineapple Torch
I prefer chicken fucking.
Posted by: Mitch at August 19, 2015 04:19 PM (c7vUv)
I applaud the Senate for passing this bill, and thank Sen. Corker and others for their hard work. I look forward to House passage of this bill to hold President Obamas administration accountable.
John Boehner May 7th 2015
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 19, 2015 04:19 PM (kdS6q)
Also, because willow:
I hope those that wear badges understand that their oath is to defend
the Constitution, not to defend politicians. It is clear that members of
Congress, who have also sworn to defend the Constitution, have decided
not to do so.
I always assumed that a Constitutional crisis
would occur when one branch of government exceeded it's authority, and
was confronted by the other branches.
So disappointing to see
that this Constitutional crisis is occurring because the entire
political establishment is betraying the nation. The crisis is in how to
deal with these politicians and restore Constitutional government.
Posted by: Grad School Fool at August 19, 2015 04:19 PM (A9KzJ)
Posted by: andycanuck at August 19, 2015 04:19 PM (4TTES)
You could take it to court and probably win. Neither side wanted the court case, that's why it didn't happen.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 19, 2015 04:19 PM (F+8iM)
Posted by: SECupp Fanatic at August 19, 2015 04:19 PM (YGw3M)
Posted by: Covert Revolutionary at August 19, 2015 04:20 PM (SJi0a)
enamel red with Trump when we have such a seasoned professional
opposition party established and in place, and they have lots of expert
political consultants already on contract as well!
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 19, 2015 04:07 PM
At the moment I am not terribly concerned about what the GOPe babbling class thinks of Trump. My primary concern is that we will have a country left for Trump to run in '17.
In case Choom Boy, Bitch McConnell and Boner have forgotten, I remind them that the Declaration of Independence tells us what needs to be done, and in fact says it should be done. Otherwise, we are willing enablers of the country's destruction.
I hope Israel will do what it must do to protect itself (even though, as I know all too damn well, there are all too many Jews who will accept a Hitlerian end for themselves so long as they can be seen to favor Social Justice), and they must count on the Mocha Messiah making life hell for them.
If anyone has a better solution, please say so. Unless you're an advocate of the "If only we had more Republicans in Congress!" view. In that case, don't bother. No one will hear you over the noise of the Geiger counters, anyway.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 19, 2015 04:20 PM (0atQl)
Yeah ... that pretty much says it all. I would just add "and un-Constitutionally" after "deliberately".
It is amazing how a treaty - that should require a 2/3rds vote in the Senate to ratify has now been transmogrified into a "deal" that requires a 2/3rds vote of the Congress to refuse to ratify. Yep ... that's pretty friggin amazing. Barky didn't even have to resort to his new, super-Constitutional TPA powers to declare the Iran treaty a "trade deal" and then require a mere majority to kill. Barky was given the un-Constitutonal power to just blow right past that un-Constitutional power.
What can you say?
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 19, 2015 04:20 PM (MYSVz)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 19, 2015 04:20 PM (kvWer)
Anyone know any good Dark Ages jokes? Monty Python might be able to help me out...
Posted by: MTF at August 19, 2015 04:20 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 19, 2015 04:21 PM (DUoqb)
Statement 1 contradicts statement 2. It would have been better both politically and diplomatically to let Barry abuse his discretion rather than to vote to change the law.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 19, 2015 04:21 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: rd at August 19, 2015 04:21 PM (a/sAS)
Let freedom reign.
Posted by: jwest at August 19, 2015 04:18 PM (P/xrJ)
Trump, Mike Rowe, you bet!
Vote for them, they're keen!
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily,
Life is but a dream!
Sing! Sing, everyone. SING, DAMMIT!
Posted by: filbert at August 19, 2015 04:21 PM (JvPqF)
I'm not joking about this anymore. How else can this be explained?
Maybe that's why Donald can be FU. He never uses email and doesn't have a cellphone, or didn't.
Bill Clinton was smart after all...
Posted by: prescient11 at August 19, 2015 04:21 PM (q5APL)
This is a wider problem. On what objective basis can Congress differentiate between a "treaty" and a "deal?"
Again, it's part of Congress's ceding vast and (IMO) unconstitutional power to the executive.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 19, 2015 04:21 PM (cN9Sk)
Posted by: Mitch McConnell at August 19, 2015 04:21 PM (F+8iM)
Posted by: Bosk at August 19, 2015 04:21 PM (n2K+4)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at August 19, 2015 04:22 PM (TebZk)
Posted by: MTF at August 19, 2015 04:20 PM (LISuA)
Let me guess? Your still sober right?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 19, 2015 04:22 PM (DUoqb)
Posted by: Yo! at August 19, 2015 04:22 PM (q+zA9)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 19, 2015 04:22 PM (kvWer)
Posted by: Marcus T at August 19, 2015 04:22 PM (GGCsk)
Too late useless cocksucker. 98-1
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 19, 2015 04:23 PM (evdj2)
Yeah, about that...
Posted by: Israel at August 19, 2015 04:23 PM (F+8iM)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 19, 2015 04:23 PM (kvWer)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 19, 2015 04:22 PM
Choom Boy is allowing the Russians to sell missiles to Iran.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 19, 2015 04:23 PM (0atQl)
I'm done with these people. Even Cruz. Why wasn't he shouting this from the rooftops months ago if he's so conservative?
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at August 19, 2015 04:24 PM (E5UB0)
Posted by: MTF at August 19, 2015 04:20 PM (LISuA)
Let me guess? Your still sober right?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 19, 2015 04:22 PM (DUoqb)
We're in laugh or cry territory right now.
I guess there's a third option but at minimum the mention of it would get me banned.
Posted by: filbert at August 19, 2015 04:24 PM (JvPqF)
Posted by: Marcus T at August 19, 2015 04:24 PM (GGCsk)
you know when Trump calls people in DC stoopid, this is what he is refering to right.
But the supposed opposition party hasn't died on any hills, so they got that going for them
Posted by: Yo! at August 19, 2015 04:24 PM (q+zA9)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 19, 2015 04:22 PM (kvWer)
Iran's preferred delivery system would likely be passenger airliners.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 19, 2015 04:24 PM (MYSVz)
The Sen Cruz that voted for the Corker Iran dodge. That guy?
I thought he missed that vote entirely. Could be wrong tho.
Posted by: filbert
I thought he voted present, but I could be wrong. LOL
Posted by: just saying
Both good answers, but the winner is:
U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, released the following statement regarding votes on the Iran Nuclear Review Act:
"I voted yes on final passage because it may delay, slightly, President Obamas ability to lift the Iran sanctions and it ensures we will have a Congressional debate on the merits of the Iran deal."
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 19, 2015 04:24 PM (kdS6q)
Sotto Voce:
GET BENT!
Posted by: hadoop at August 19, 2015 04:25 PM (2X7pN)
When does the Congress begin mass conversion to Shia Islam?
Posted by: MTF at August 19, 2015 04:25 PM (LISuA)
Posted by: Fritz at August 19, 2015 04:25 PM (UzPAd)
Posted by: steevy at August 19, 2015 04:25 PM (sPO3u)
An everyday guy. Not a politician. Approachable and friendly. He's got that charisma thing where you just like him. Good sense of humor and always positive. An effective communicator.
Barring any seriously bad things in his background, someone like him might not be a bad thing at all.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 19, 2015 04:25 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 19, 2015 04:25 PM (F+8iM)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 19, 2015 04:20 PM (kvWer)
-----------------------------------------------------------------
As with illegals and the dead, Democrat votes count several times as much as conservative votes.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at August 19, 2015 04:25 PM (E5UB0)
All, Yea .. except Cotton (R-AR), Nay .. Boxer (D-CA), Present
Posted by: Robert McNamara at August 19, 2015 04:25 PM (e8kgV)
Yes, except that I don't think it's a treaty. It's a law, because it wasn't passed under the treaty process.
What that means, I have no idea.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 19, 2015 04:25 PM (2lndx)
Posted by: Covert Revolutionary at August 19, 2015 04:26 PM (SJi0a)
"The retort that Trump is not a 'real' Republican or a 'real' conservative would of course be a devastating criticism had 'real' Republicans and 'real' conservatives in Washington managed actually to 'conserve' anything during their time in office."
Posted by: some random meathead - if you're not drinking, you're not paying attention at August 19, 2015 04:26 PM (HJqXj)
Posted by: filbert at August 19, 2015 04:21 PM (JvPqF)
On inaugural day, Trump would publish the list of duties owed to the U.S. by every other country in the world, to be paid monthly, for maintaining World Order.
This would spring from the principal that you don't spend a trillion per year on a military that you don't get a return on.
Posted by: jwest at August 19, 2015 04:26 PM (P/xrJ)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 19, 2015 04:26 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 19, 2015 04:26 PM (kvWer)
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at August 19, 2015 04:24 PM
No current Senator or Representative is now eligible for the Presidency, IMO.
BTW: We didn't even need a "Conservative" to shout about it. All we needed was a patriotic American. There used to be a few Democrats who fit that bill.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 19, 2015 04:26 PM (0atQl)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 19, 2015 04:24 PM (MYSVz)
Or freight containers. From what I've heard the radiological checking of those at US ports is still absolutely abysmal.
Posted by: filbert at August 19, 2015 04:27 PM (JvPqF)
Now I know. The Republic is finished.
They sold the nation out, and we are letting them.
Posted by: rd at August 19, 2015 04:27 PM (a/sAS)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 19, 2015 04:27 PM (F+8iM)
Posted by: Skip at August 19, 2015 04:28 PM (UUyP7)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 19, 2015 04:28 PM (qCMvj)
but hey, hows that jenner chic?
Posted by: willow at August 19, 2015 04:28 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 19, 2015 04:28 PM (oFCZn)
Congress let him in the door. If he goes down, he says well congress knew who and what I was all along. They are guilty of Treason.
They will never impeach him because they are tied to him. They won't vote to hang themselves.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 19, 2015 04:29 PM (FlNz4)
slightly, President Obamas ability to lift the Iran sanctions and it
ensures we will have a Congressional debate on the merits of the Iran
deal." Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 19, 2015 04:24 PM
Would you let a guy that abysmally stupid even walk on Pennsylvania Ave., much less live in the White House?
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 19, 2015 04:29 PM (0atQl)
Ah, as it turns out, Iran also has an ICBM program. But we decided that was immaterial to the negotiations and left them out. After we unfreeze their assets and lift the sanctions, I'm sure they'll come back to the table to discuss stopping their ICBM program. After all, without nuclear weapons, why would they need it?
Posted by: John Kerry at August 19, 2015 04:29 PM (2lndx)
McCain is losing to primary challenger 45-36 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qURmpO2d2hwfeature=youtu.be
Posted by: SECupp Fanatic at August 19, 2015 04:19 PM (YGw3M)
Bright spot in an otherwise crappy news day!
Posted by: rebel flounder at August 19, 2015 04:29 PM (Vf5rR)
This would spring from the principal that you don't spend a trillion per year on a military that you don't get a return on.
Posted by: jwest at August 19, 2015 04:26 PM (P/xrJ)
I admit, such an eventuality would amuse the wrench-in-the-gears anarchist in me somewhat.
Posted by: filbert at August 19, 2015 04:29 PM (JvPqF)
america, hahaha you're such a jokster.
world, I wonder how much we can make off this deal.
Posted by: willow at August 19, 2015 04:30 PM (nqBYe)
Cover? When you hit'em with bunker busters, it'll be that much easier to suggest that the Iranians miscalculated and blew themselves up.
Posted by: Fritz at August 19, 2015 04:30 PM (UzPAd)
Posted by: Marmo, person of pallor and world enemy at August 19, 2015 04:30 PM (QW+AD)
We all may think the JEF is the worst POTUS in US history, but he sure gets EVERYTHING he wants.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 19, 2015 04:31 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 19, 2015 04:08 PM (ftVQq)
Nah.... it's funnier as it is.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at August 19, 2015 04:31 PM (yMVjf)
WTF wants this deal besides Kerry and Obama?
Even the simpletons in congressmen can understand that a deal where Iran "inspects itself" is a shit deal. And the reason we are here in the first place is because Iran didn't follow ANY previous UN dictates.
Does anyone in government remember why we had sanctions on Iran in the first place?
Posted by: Seems Legit at August 19, 2015 04:31 PM (Xa4vS)
Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at August 19, 2015 04:29 PM
They'd better hope I'm not on the jury for their treason trials then. Under those circumstances, I'd vote to hang them.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 19, 2015 04:31 PM (0atQl)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 19, 2015 04:31 PM (VPLuQ)
I'm pretty sure our country lost the Mandate of Heaven when Terri Schiavo starved to death in 2005. That's not a popular topic to bring up, but every crisis from Katrina to the election of Obama has been decided poorly from that time. America is cursed.
Posted by: Old Hob at August 19, 2015 04:31 PM (FFIoe)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 19, 2015 04:31 PM (go6ud)
Does anyone in government remember why we had sanctions on Iran in the first place?
Posted by: Seems Legit at August 19, 2015 04:31 PM (Xa4vS)
Why don't you want the Iranians to have iphones?
-Tim Cook
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 19, 2015 04:32 PM (oFCZn)
We don't want to stop them, because stopping them would require dropping bombs we can't afford so long as we pay largesse to Democrat voters and subsidize the chamber of commerce's slaves.
So because the myth that the federal government is all-powerful must be upheld, they are going to tell Iran it's okay to make the nukes they would make anyway.
The GOP is giggling to themselves that they can use this as a way to win a few seats. Democrats, who are all cuckolds to the third world, see this as the ultimate orgasmic ecstasy of having the US nuclear bombed.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 19, 2015 04:32 PM (F+8iM)
Posted by: The Hill To Die On at August 19, 2015 04:32 PM (xcrCh)
Posted by: steevy at August 19, 2015 04:32 PM (sPO3u)
Posted by: Marmo, person of pallor and world enemy at August 19, 2015 04:30 PM (QW+AD)
I warned you, you fuckers.
Posted by: Benjamin "A Republic, if you can keep it" Franklin at August 19, 2015 04:32 PM (JvPqF)
Integrity is a dead concept. Perhaps the closest we can come to it is someone like Trump who is so wealthy he just doesn't give a shit.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at August 19, 2015 04:32 PM (E5UB0)
america, hahaha you're such a jokster.
world, I wonder how much we can make off this deal.
Posted by: willow at August 19, 2015 04:30 PM (nqBYe)
LOL. I'm not sure if this would be called "graveyard humor" or just "history".
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 19, 2015 04:32 PM (MYSVz)
It's a decent theory...I'm more of the opinion that they want to use this to actually eliminate the Iranian Government by force and they need a really good excuse to get us all on baord....but the stupidity in Washington has become very difficult to decipher.
Posted by: Covert Revolutionary at August 19, 2015 04:32 PM (SJi0a)
Posted by: BurtTC at August 19, 2015 04:33 PM (TOk1P)
*snif*
Posted by: The Hill To Die On at August 19, 2015 04:32 PM (xcrCh)
And you're always too far away!
Posted by: GOP at August 19, 2015 04:33 PM (JvPqF)
McCain is losing to primary challenger 45-36 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qURmpO2d2hwfeature=youtu.be
Posted by: SECupp Fanatic at August 19, 2015 04:19 PM (YGw3M)
Heh ...... and the Navajos just booted him off one of their reservations.
LOLOLOL
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at August 19, 2015 04:33 PM (yMVjf)
Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at August 19, 2015 04:33 PM (dQJCS)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 19, 2015 04:34 PM (OLNwX)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 19, 2015 04:34 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Zap Brannigan at August 19, 2015 04:35 PM (KUaJL)
They want Iran to be the stabilizing force in the ME so that the US is no longer/can no longer be involved. This is something that current CIA Dir./former Obama Nat'l Security Advisor (and rumored Muslim convert) John Brennan has been pushing for years. I imagine he is not alone - maybe some of the CFR folks are on board w/this as well.
Posted by: Israel at August 19, 2015 04:35 PM (NOIQH)
H.R.1191 Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act of 2015
Posted by: rd at August 19, 2015 04:35 PM (a/sAS)
andycanuck, yes.
Bevel, no, I don't think so. One area in which the court *has* more/less stuck to a long-standing sound approach is to avoid involvement in major foreign policy disputes between the branches, or between itself and the executive. (Hamdan v. Bush - thanks nutcase arrogant airhead Kennedy! - being the prominent recent exception). Very unlikely Congress could force the president to designate something as a treaty via the courts.
Grump, I don't follow your comment, admittedly rushing here and not much time.
Margarita, I'm not even sure there is any abuse per se in this case. None of the previous US actions WRT Iran's nuke program were in treaty form (and NPT-related basis for UN Sec. Council actions does not make *this* situation a treaty, ipso facto). Back in my day nearly every bit of sanctions-type legislation had lots of room for executive discretion, usually tied to reports/certifications to Congress. It really was a workable compromise avoiding the "535 secretaries of state" problem, but it also assumed (correctly) at least a somewhat normal, good-faith executive branch that would back up its certifications if pressed.
Gonna go reload some 38spl and plant some tomatoe seedlings, knowing full well that there is an unshakable misplaced consensus here that the problemis the Corker bill, vs. the overall failure of Congress/GOP to oppose a reckless and idiotic president. So, I officially give up on thisone!
ace has had it wrong fromthe start - I mean focusing on Corker mechanism as the real problem - and others have given up trying to explain it, so I now join them.
Oh - and I'm a little shaken that Trump lacks the gravitas and presence to be commander in chief, as I learned this morning. Especially given the, um, "standard" that the country has set the last 8 years.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 19, 2015 04:35 PM (QDnY+)
Those two Obama c8m dumpsters don't know shit.
Posted by: Seems Legit at August 19, 2015 04:36 PM (Xa4vS)
It is about time. I hope Arizonans realize how stupid they look for keeping that guy around as long as they have.
Posted by: Covert Revolutionary at August 19, 2015 04:36 PM (SJi0a)
The man is so despised that no one cared when Trump said he wasn't a war hero.
That's what being a press whore will do to you.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 19, 2015 04:36 PM (F+8iM)
Posted by: Jean at August 19, 2015 04:36 PM (ztOda)
Posted by: andycanuck at August 19, 2015 04:19 PM (4TTES)
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Yeah, but Congressional assent to calling a nuke settlement with Iran a "deal" rather than a "treaty" began under W. The Pelosi/Reid Congress passed the same defining bill for Obama.
All of which turns it around 180 degrees, as you say.
Obama was actually right when he said he didn't need to even consult Congress about this "deal" since they had already given him full power over it, i.e., defined it as not being a "treaty." The Corker bill is an attempt to correct that but it's a day late and a dollar short.
Congress should not have given the POTUS, whether Bush or Obama, the power to begin with.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 19, 2015 04:36 PM (cN9Sk)
Posted by: filbert at August 19, 2015 04:29 PM (JvPqF)
Of course, we'll need to change a few terms so that people don't get upset.
Like "Carrier Battle Group". That sounds a bit harsh.
How about "Collection Unit"?
That's a little softer and more to the point.
Posted by: jwest at August 19, 2015 04:36 PM (P/xrJ)
Would you let a guy that abysmally stupid even walk on Pennsylvania Ave., much less live in the White House?
Posted by: MrScribbler
"We shall slightly delay on the beaches, we shall slightly delay on the landing grounds, we shall slightly delay in the fields and in the streets, we shall slightly delay in the hills; we shall never surrender. Now, when I say "never" and "surrender", I of course mean...."
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 19, 2015 04:37 PM (kdS6q)
I still think it's hilariously funny how many people think that you get to choose which hill you're going to die on.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 19, 2015 04:31 PM (go6ud)
That is the essence of the 2nd Amendment. Armed, free men get to choose which hill they die on.
Unarmed sheep are surprised to find themselves dying on their knees in a basement.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 19, 2015 04:37 PM (xcrCh)
Yes. But Schiavo seemed to be the final straw. Bush made some good decisions after 9/11, but I can't find any crisis after early 2005 that our government has handled well. After Schiavo, Bush went to Harriet Miers and Amnesty. Congress went to the Dems in 2006. Obama in 2008. And so on. Even the surge in Iraq and the 2010/2014 elections have turned out badly.
Posted by: Old Hob at August 19, 2015 04:37 PM (FFIoe)
but hey, hows that jenner chic?
--------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, they've sold us out for their own short term, self serving personal enrichment/careers.
Now can we get back to talking about me? I'm considering having an affair with a Japanese boxer's wife, to speed up the process.
Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at August 19, 2015 04:37 PM (E5UB0)
I call "Shenanigans!" This is B.S. What happened to Congress writing the laws? I watched School House Rock.
Posted by: Curran at August 19, 2015 04:37 PM (7+tbn)
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How does a leading sponsor of terrorism AROUND the ME become a stabilizing factor?
A child would know this is ridiculous.
Posted by: Seems Legit at August 19, 2015 04:37 PM (Xa4vS)
Unarmed sheep are surprised to find themselves dying on their knees in a basement.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur
in a puddle of their own urine.
Posted by: some random meathead - if you're not drinking, you're not paying attention at August 19, 2015 04:38 PM (HJqXj)
I thought that was the Saudis preferred method?
Posted by: rickb223 at August 19, 2015 04:39 PM (LImvu)
Posted by: Curran at August 19, 2015 04:37 PM (7+tbn)
It got cancelled
Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at August 19, 2015 04:39 PM (X+nFp)
Posted by: SH at August 19, 2015 04:39 PM (gmeXX)
Like "Carrier Battle Group". That sounds a bit harsh.
How about "Collection Unit"?
That's a little softer and more to the point.
Posted by: jwest at August 19, 2015 04:36 PM (P/xrJ)
"Obligatory Donation Solciitation Regatta?"
Posted by: filbert at August 19, 2015 04:39 PM (JvPqF)
Posted by: andycanuck at August 19, 2015 04:40 PM (4TTES)
There were 25 NO's in the House of Representatives:
Babin
Blumenauer
Brat
Buck
Burgess
Collins (GA)
Conyers
DeFazio
Ellison
Farenthold
Fleming
Garrett
Gohmert
Harris
Hudson
Huelskamp
Johnson (GA)
Jordan
Massie
McClintock
McDermott
Poe (TX)
Pompeo
Webster (FL)
Westmoreland
Posted by: rd at August 19, 2015 04:40 PM (a/sAS)
Posted by: Seems Legit at August 19, 2015 04:31 PM (Xa4vS)
They remember. They just remember it differently than it how it really came to be.
Incidentally, I don't think anyone really believes Iran is coming here with their nooks. They think they might go to Israel, but they're willing to risk the possibility that Israel gets them first.
Either way, not "our" problem. I see this as the American Administration essentially saying "we're done dealing with the meddlesome Middle East, whether they kill each other or not."
Posted by: BurtTC at August 19, 2015 04:40 PM (TOk1P)
I call "Shenanigans!" This is B.S. What happened to Congress writing the laws? I watched School House Rock.
Posted by: Curran at August 19, 2015 04:37 PM (7+tbn)
Easy to do. All you have to do is ignore the Constitution and make shit up as you go along.
Easy-peasy. Done deal.
Posted by: filbert at August 19, 2015 04:40 PM (JvPqF)
I saw Obligatory Donation Solicitation Regatta open for The Police at Dodger Stadium back in '83.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 19, 2015 04:40 PM (xcrCh)
That bill was mugged by a Pen and a Phone in a dark DC alley. And in a rare moment of clarity, SNL actually captured this in a skit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=15&v=bYsyRg4U8qM
Posted by: Lizzy at August 19, 2015 04:40 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: filbert at August 19, 2015 04:39 PM (JvPqF)
That's great. See, we're a country of problem solvers.
Posted by: jwest at August 19, 2015 04:41 PM (P/xrJ)
Ill-tempered, I agree 100%, I was talking about the R leadership and their bs.
From my point of view they died quite a few hills ago.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 19, 2015 04:41 PM (go6ud)
xxoo
GOP
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at August 19, 2015 04:41 PM (dANw2)
ace has had it wrong fromthe start - I mean focusing on Corker mechanism as the real problem - and others have given up trying to explain it, so I now join them.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 19, 2015 04:35 PM (QDnY+)
Whether you think there is a treaty definition problem with this, or not, is irrelevant. The Corker bill was just plain stupid and gave further powers to Barky. We might disagree on whether those powers were un-Constitutional or not, but there was still no reason, whatsoever, for the Corker mechanism to be passed. And you have to take into account that this is the same Congress that went ahead and passed the TPA bill, too.
Whatever your position on the Constitutionality of these bills is should pale in comparison to the idea that this Congress has been happy to give extra powers to a lawless enemy in the White House who has shown that he takes every opportunity to harm this nation and the citizenry.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 19, 2015 04:42 PM (MYSVz)
Posted by: Awnree at August 19, 2015 04:42 PM (aldSv)
Posted by: Seems Legit at August 19, 2015 04:37 PM
A child is smarter than Choom Boy and 98 Senators.
Probably smarter than all of them combined.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 19, 2015 04:42 PM (0atQl)
This is a good deal.
Instead of relying on imported American baby parts, the Iranians will be able to get them from Israel now.
Posted by: Barack Obama at August 19, 2015 04:42 PM (5LOno)
And they are succeeding.
Posted by: Blano at August 19, 2015 04:42 PM (M5fnd)
How did that work out for them?
Posted by: AmishDude at August 19, 2015 04:42 PM (JIElb)
Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at August 19, 2015 04:42 PM (dQJCS)
Posted by: Fritz at August 19, 2015 04:43 PM (UzPAd)
Yvonne Craig, the actress best known as Batgirl on the hit 1960s television series "Batman," died on Monday at her home in Pacific Palisades, Calif. She was 78.
Posted by: Bruce Wayne at August 19, 2015 04:43 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Cruzinator at August 19, 2015 04:43 PM (cJswI)
Posted by: we live; whatcha gonna do about it, huh? at August 19, 2015 04:43 PM (wKcQA)
There were 25 NO's in the House of Representatives:
Babin
Blumenauer
Brat
Buck
Burgess
Collins (GA)
Conyers
DeFazio
Ellison
Farenthold
Fleming
Garrett
Gohmert
Harris
Hudson
Huelskamp
Johnson (GA)
Jordan
Massie
McClintock
McDermott
Poe (TX)
Pompeo
Webster (FL)
Westmoreland
Posted by: rd
______________________
Clearly, these people need to be primaried.
Posted by: Republican National Committee at August 19, 2015 04:44 PM (UlJ3l)
Well, okay then.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 19, 2015 04:44 PM (9mTYi)
OT Comedic Break
(we need it)
David Burge @iowahawkblog
A black lady, a black man, and an Indian walk into a bar #StopMeIfYouveHeardThisOne
goto the link and see the pict (scroll down a bit)
https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/with_replies
ha!
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 19, 2015 04:44 PM (qCMvj)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 19, 2015 04:44 PM (oZr5y)
FU both.
Posted by: Seems Legit at August 19, 2015 04:44 PM (Xa4vS)
How did that work out for them?
Posted by: AmishDude at August 19, 2015 04:42 PM (JIElb)
Congress didn't want a court battle.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 19, 2015 04:44 PM (F+8iM)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 19, 2015 04:44 PM (go6ud)
The Corker Bill is so bad, that Minnesota's favorite Islamic, Ellison voted against the Corker Bill.
Posted by: rd at August 19, 2015 04:44 PM (a/sAS)
Posted by: filbert at August 19, 2015 04:39 PM (JvPqF)
That's right, people. C'mon put the money in the bucket there you go. Give it up now...or else.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 19, 2015 04:44 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 19, 2015 04:41 PM (go6ud)
Knew you were hitting the /s tag, fellow Moron. Sorry if it came out a bit harsher than intended. I was just expanding on the idea.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 19, 2015 04:44 PM (xcrCh)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 19, 2015 04:45 PM (oZr5y)
I'm pretty sure our country lost the Mandate of Heaven when Terri Schiavo starved to death in 2005. That's not a popular topic to bring up, but every crisis from Katrina to the election of Obama has been decided poorly from that time. America is cursed.
Posted by: Old Hob at August 19, 2015 04:31 PM (FFIoe)
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I think it happened before that. It happened with the national acceptance of the Roe vs Wade decision. A morality argument could also be made about the national exceptance of birth control pills. Our freedom and the republic as it's written in the Constitution can only be maintained by a moral and virtuous population.
Posted by: Soona at August 19, 2015 04:45 PM (P25Hh)
Posted by: eleven at August 19, 2015 04:45 PM (MDgS8)
It is about time. I hope Arizonans realize how stupid they look for keeping that guy around as long as they have.
Posted by: Covert Revolutionary
I remember McCain chastising Joe Wilson of the "You Lie" fame and calling his behavior disrespectful and shouldn't be tolerated!! Former President Carter called Wilson a racist, and said that his behavior was "dastardly".
There are not words to describe how much I loathe the people.
Posted by: Cheri at August 19, 2015 04:46 PM (oiNtH)
Posted by: rd at August 19, 2015 04:40 PM
Groovy. Like Sen. Cotton, each and every one of them is hereby awarded one "attaboy."
They can be safely seated on the other side of the chamber when the traitors are arrested.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 19, 2015 04:46 PM (0atQl)
Well, okay then.
****
no, man, it was "a nuclear deal" borkered by our commander in chief with the moderate soft-liners of Iran. "A nuclear deal" so awesome, it's only opposed by Iran's hardliners...who are actually you know approving it...and the GOP. Also, opposing "a nuclear deal" approved by the commander in fucking chief is a violation of the Logan Act. So...suck it.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at August 19, 2015 04:46 PM (dANw2)
With regards to congress, Obama has not lost once. All the Kabuki Theater and he still wins. Again, why?
How could this possibly happen on such a variety of issues. I mean if there was one deal you could see them standing up for it would be the Iran/Nuclear Bomb deal. But the don't. Why?
Just plain old back luck would have Obama losing occasionally but he never does when it comes to congress.
Because he owns them. Congress will all hang for treason if he goes down. To impeach him is to hang themselves.
Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 19, 2015 04:46 PM (FlNz4)
you know when Trump calls people in DC stoopid, this is what he is refering to right.
But the supposed opposition party hasn't died on any hills, so they got that going for them
Posted by: Yo! at August 19, 2015 04:24 PM (q+zA9)
*vigorously slaps hill to die on utterers with a glove about the head and shoulders*
What's this hill to die on crap? Attack, you yellow sonsabitches!
Posted by: Zombie Patton at August 19, 2015 04:46 PM (Vf5rR)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 19, 2015 04:46 PM (F+8iM)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 19, 2015 04:48 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 19, 2015 04:48 PM (F+8iM)
Posted by: logprof at August 19, 2015 04:48 PM (vsbNu)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 19, 2015 04:44 PM (F+8iM)
So, same basic thought process used by battered women? They don't want to make him mad?
Posted by: BurtTC at August 19, 2015 04:49 PM (TOk1P)
----------------------
"...unwitting information.."
What the hell does that mean?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 19, 2015 04:49 PM (9mTYi)
Babin
Blumenauer
Brat
Buck
Burgess
Collins (GA)
Conyers
DeFazio
Ellison
Farenthold
Fleming
Garrett
Gohmert
Harris
Hudson
Huelskamp
Johnson (GA)
Jordan
Massie
McClintock
McDermott
Poe (TX)
Pompeo
Webster (FL)
Westmoreland
Posted by: rd"
Look on the bright side. They are proof that the NSA data collection works.
Posted by: Drider at August 19, 2015 04:49 PM (6Xbsz)
His reasons were just the opposite side of the coin. He knew that Obama's strategy was to get this agreement without Congress being involved at all . He was voting against this involvement.
Posted by: Cruzinator at August 19, 2015 04:49 PM (cJswI)
Not to mention Donald Trump look like a HUGE colossus.....
Posted by: Zombie Gerald Ford at August 19, 2015 04:49 PM (D0NZx)
John Boehner is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.
Bob Corker is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.
Jeb Bush is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.
Posted by: The Next First Zek at August 19, 2015 04:50 PM (kk2ap)
actually impacting my life negatively and I get to watch Obama and
Boehner slapping each other on the back during expensive golf outings that we're paying for.
FU both.
Posted by: Seems Legit
FIFY.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, wondering why certain officials aren't imprisoned at August 19, 2015 04:50 PM (/Ho8c)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=48v=ufGlBv8Z3NU
Posted by: Giorgio A. Tsoukalos at August 19, 2015 04:50 PM (e8kgV)
Is it your objective to try and destroy the Iran deal or to try and destroy the Senate Republican majority?
You've been very vocal about your disapproval of the Corker resolution earlier in the spring. OK, so what? It passed. You obviously didn't get much traction with that.
So, now what? Pissing and moaning about McConnell some more? Or something that might actually do some good? What say you?
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 19, 2015 04:50 PM (ljZD2)
Posted by: Mitch McConnell at August 19, 2015 04:50 PM (oZr5y)
Each deal he's done is a surrender on basic US interests.
and the GOP is too dickless to complain.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at August 19, 2015 04:51 PM (dANw2)
there is an unshakable misplaced consensus here that the problemis the Corker bill, vs. the overall failure of Congress/GOP to oppose a reckless and idiotic president. So, I officially give up on thisone!
ace has had it wrong fromthe start - I mean focusing on Corker mechanism as the real problem - and others have given up trying to explain it, so I now join them.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 19, 2015 04:35 PM (QDnY+)
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"it also assumed (correctly) at least a somewhat normal, good-faith executive branch "
Yes. All good points ---but the system hinges on that assumption. At what point do you have to concede that the assumption can't be made anymore?
Scary times.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 19, 2015 04:51 PM (cN9Sk)
Posted by: Seems Legit at August 19, 2015 04:51 PM (Xa4vS)
Posted by: The Next First Zek at August 19, 2015 04:51 PM (kk2ap)
Fuck 'em.
Posted by: Sharkman at August 19, 2015 04:51 PM (72D6h)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 19, 2015 04:51 PM (oFCZn)
Gad, how I hate these repulsive guys.
Posted by: Auntie Doodles at August 19, 2015 04:51 PM (G8LNB)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 19, 2015 04:44 PM (go6ud)
Except Obama would veto the bill, and you need 2/3rds of both houses to override the veto.
Posted by: rd at August 19, 2015 04:51 PM (a/sAS)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 19, 2015 04:51 PM (go6ud)
Except the Ayatollah wants this deal.
Split. Divide, name call, split, divide , name call.
Posted by: Cheri at August 19, 2015 04:52 PM (oiNtH)
What the hell does that mean?
That Brian E Fallon is witless? Or maybe that's Hitlery? One of them is.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 19, 2015 04:52 PM (YEelc)
Posted by: Mitch McConnell at August 19, 2015 04:52 PM (oZr5y)
More, "It'll be Obama's fault! Tee hee! More seats! Yay!"
Though I suspect when Israel is attacked there will be a lot of sackcloth and ash among the scum who voted for this.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 19, 2015 04:52 PM (F+8iM)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 19, 2015 04:44 PM (F+8iM)
Then they could have just attached their Iran Treaty vote/advice to the next "must-pass" funding or debt-limit bill.
Yeah ... yeah ... I know. I'm just sayin'.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 19, 2015 04:52 PM (MYSVz)
Posted by: Turtle at August 19, 2015 04:53 PM (LXJ1e)
Posted by: BurtTC at August 19, 2015 04:54 PM (TOk1P)
They can be safely seated on the other side of the chamber when the traitors are arrested.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 19, 2015 04:46 PM (0atQl)
There's an evil part of me that would love to see the new President stride into Congress for the SOTU Address and call out the traitors like Saddam did when he took power in the late 70s.
Senator Smith!
.
.
.
.
Is a traitor!
*secret police stride down the aisle and frogmarch Smith out of the building to the firing squad*
Senator Jones!
.
.
.
.
Is a loyal patriot!
*Senator Jones collapses in relief*
Senator Baker!
.
.
.
*repeat for each and every member of Congress, letting them sweat out the result*
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 19, 2015 04:55 PM (xcrCh)
Posted by: Make America Great Again at August 19, 2015 04:55 PM (LXJ1e)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 19, 2015 04:55 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: some random meathead at August 19, 2015 04:55 PM (HJqXj)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 19, 2015 04:52 PM (F+8iM)
No doubt Miss Lindsey Graham will want to go over there and pound some men.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 19, 2015 04:55 PM (TOk1P)
Oh goodie, the Gopesucker is here.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 19, 2015 04:54 PM (TOk1P)
He doesn't appreciate ace's tone. Ace is Not Helping the GOP Win.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 19, 2015 04:55 PM (F+8iM)
I'd rather see him turn Mecca into a yuge, luxurious five-star glowing crater, but that's just me.
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 19, 2015 04:55 PM (iIzG7)
"Oh goodie, the Gopesucker is here."
Ooh, a substantive response typical of the deep thought and sophisticated rhetoric favored by "tru cons."
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 19, 2015 04:56 PM (ljZD2)
You know that this is a blog and no one is forcing you to be here?
Posted by: Cheri at August 19, 2015 04:56 PM (oiNtH)
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at August 19, 2015 04:56 PM (QdAXQ)
When politicians are full of shit, it is important to say that they are full of shit. McConnell and company (including Cruz, sadly) made predictions about the good that this bill would do once the deal was made public.
Ace also made predictions about what would *actually* happen. That McConnell would stand in front of the American people and say, well, golly, our hands are tied. Without saying *who* tied them.
Which is exactly what happened. Certainly, if there are other things to do now, then it is important to do them, too. But it is also very important to remember the truth, or we aren't going to get anywhere.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 19, 2015 04:56 PM (2lndx)
Posted by: andycanuck at August 19, 2015 04:56 PM (4TTES)
Posted by: Giant , Quivering Trump-Hate Hard-on at August 19, 2015 04:56 PM (HJqXj)
There are all these procedural devices that the majority in power can use to cause unpopular legislation to pass, and then suddenly, there aren't.
Odd, isn't it?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 19, 2015 04:56 PM (oZr5y)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 19, 2015 04:56 PM (GLtAj)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 19, 2015 04:44 PM (oFCZn
Yeah, those sea lanes aren't going to keep themselves open. It's not that we want to take tribute from all the other countries in the world, but someone needs to keep the peace.
And the U.S. taxpayers are tired of doing it all alone.
Posted by: jwest at August 19, 2015 04:57 PM (P/xrJ)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 19, 2015 04:57 PM (OLNwX)
"Oh goodie, the Gopesucker is here."
Ooh, a substantive response typical of the deep thought and sophisticated rhetoric favored by "tru cons."
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 19, 2015 04:56 PM (ljZD2)
What is the point of your comment?
Do you think screaming at people is going to help unite the GOP?
Did you just come here to piss and moan about the blog comments?
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 19, 2015 04:57 PM (F+8iM)
Posted by: rd at August 19, 2015 04:51 PM
I can see a very, very slim chance of Congress doing this, and actually getting it past Choom Boy's veto.
It would take quite an uproar from the public, though. That's the sticky point. Unless the Kardashians or some other National Heroes came out against the "agreement," we probably couldn't get public turnouts in the high double-digits.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 19, 2015 04:57 PM (0atQl)
Grrrr! Arrrrrgh
Posted by: Giant , Quivering Trump-Hate Hard-on at August
You must be new here. Ace gave up on the GOP winning a long time ago.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 19, 2015 04:58 PM (OLNwX)
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at August 19, 2015 04:58 PM (ktt8p)
Posted by: Giant , Quivering Trump-Hate Hard-on
Who knew the Mutant Enemy! logo hated Trump so much?
Posted by: Moderate Salami, wondering why certain officials aren't imprisoned at August 19, 2015 04:58 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: pep at August 19, 2015 04:58 PM (LAe3v)
Raise this subject every time Ace is on a thread, trumpetdaddy. That's the best way to get his attention.
Posted by: andycanuck at August 19, 2015 04:56 PM (4TTES)
*snort*
Serious blog-judo there, hoss.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 19, 2015 04:58 PM (xcrCh)
Posted by: BurtTC at August 19, 2015 04:58 PM (TOk1P)
You want to punish McConnell and Boehner? Nominate Trump or Cruz.
Posted by: Dirks Strewn
The Cruz that voted for this bill. That Cruz, right?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 19, 2015 04:58 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Gope voter at August 19, 2015 04:59 PM (F+8iM)
"You know that this is a blog and no one is forcing you to be here?"
Oh, I'm sorry, did I interrupt everybody sucking each other's dicks about how much they hate people who could give a shit about them?
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 19, 2015 04:59 PM (ljZD2)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 19, 2015 04:59 PM (zOTsN)
It's JeffB , yo.
He is here doing research on his next awesome article "Donald Trump: Hitler's Lovechild or Child Molester?"
Posted by: some random meathead at August 19, 2015 04:59 PM (HJqXj)
Posted by: butt-trumpetdaddy at August 19, 2015 04:59 PM (vsbNu)
Posted by: Dirks Strewn at August 19, 2015 04:56 PM
Not Cruz. He was in on the game from the get-go, and, because of his inaction since, still is.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 19, 2015 04:59 PM (0atQl)
Posted by: rrpjr at August 19, 2015 05:00 PM (s/yC1)
Gonna need a lot of rope after the trials.
Posted by: teej who wants a lab puppy at August 19, 2015 05:00 PM (IG9gl)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 19, 2015 04:55 PM (xcrCh)
lol
And to see the ones who know they are fucked scurry for the doors before their name is called, just to see them captured, tired, and disheveled.
Posted by: Zombie Patton at August 19, 2015 05:00 PM (Vf5rR)
Not too many years ago I would have called you a "Commie Libtard" for that comment. At this point, it seems to be the most reasoned position. My-oh-My......how things have changed.
Posted by: Covert Revolutionary at August 19, 2015 05:00 PM (SJi0a)
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes at August 19, 2015 05:01 PM (evdj2)
Trump leads the field in a head to head against Clinton.
Kneel before him.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 19, 2015 05:01 PM (F+8iM)
Posted by: rrpjr
bet he throws like a girl.
Posted by: some random meathead at August 19, 2015 05:01 PM (HJqXj)
HEY, WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TOWELS IN HERE!!!
Posted by: Mitch McConnell at August 19, 2015 05:01 PM (oZr5y)
Posted by: BurtTC at August 19, 2015 05:02 PM (TOk1P)
...the gope collecting more contributions?
...the gope getting their imex kickback?
...the gope scolding their illegal maid for not polishing the silver bright enough?
or were you talking about the gope continuing their previous path?
...the gope refusing to impeach any obama admin official for any crime?
...the gope refusing to use the power of the House to defund the democong's agenda?
...the gope unconstitutionally changing how treaties work, resulting in 7th century religious madmen with nukes?
Posted by: Grad School Fool at August 19, 2015 05:02 PM (A9KzJ)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 19, 2015 05:02 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 19, 2015 04:59 PM (ljZD2)
What chapter of Carnegie's How To Win Friends And Influence People did you see this in? Because it really looks like a winning strategy.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 19, 2015 05:02 PM (xcrCh)
Posted by: The boy who killed his parents at August 19, 2015 05:02 PM (mXn0o)
Rand Paul did 45 days ago. Big fucking deal. Hillary may not even survive the summer as a candidate.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 19, 2015 05:03 PM (ljZD2)
Posted by: The Stacked Deck Of The Titanic at August 19, 2015 05:03 PM (nbGZj)
insults are never persuasive
never
Posted by: ThunderB at August 19, 2015 05:02 PM (zOTsN)
But, it is funny to watch him go pee-pee all over himself.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 19, 2015 05:03 PM (OLNwX)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 19, 2015 05:03 PM (XUKZU)
So what's your solution other than sexual allusions which fits in really well here, but still....
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 19, 2015 05:03 PM (OSs/l)
Mitch McConnell: Mr. President, we need to discuss this Iran deal.
Obama: Sure, Mitch, you know the drill.
McConnell: Yes, sir.
*McConnell drops pants & climbs on top of pinball machine*
Posted by: Landofskybluewater at August 19, 2015 05:04 PM (lRwmz)
That would be something to look forward too.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 19, 2015 05:04 PM (OSs/l)
Did you see that your boy Walker has a mouthful of Trump right now?
Fucker couldn't SPELL Obamacare now he is ON IT like cameras on TRUMP!
Guess you know how to pick 'em .
Posted by: some random meathead at August 19, 2015 05:04 PM (HJqXj)
Posted by: tu3031 at August 19, 2015 05:04 PM (YFFpo)
Posted by: butt-trumpetdada at August 19, 2015 05:05 PM (vsbNu)
each other's dicks about how much they hate people who could give a shit
about them?
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 19, 2015 04:59 PM (ljZD2)
*Looks up*
*Wipes chin*
Yes.
Posted by: Mrs. trumpetdaddy at August 19, 2015 05:05 PM (Vf5rR)
***
believe me, at 35 megatons, the crater'd be yuge.
Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at August 19, 2015 05:05 PM (dANw2)
Posted by: Sen. McCuckold at August 19, 2015 05:05 PM (nbGZj)
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at August 19, 2015 05:05 PM (ktt8p)
Open wide, Gopesucker, Gope is about to take another Gope.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 19, 2015 05:06 PM (TOk1P)
We obviously have the capability to see a gnat on the Persians hairy ads to be able to determine compliance. Without a deal, kicking their ads up around their ears which we can do in a fortnight, would be raw naked aggression. With a deal it becomes enforcement.
We know these zealot nutjobs are aching to make nukes. The next cop president, presumably the bad cop president who traditionally follows the good cop, will be assigned this job. Or maybe Israel will point out noncompliance and demand action. Bottom line isnt standing with Muslims should the winds change but rather a set up. So relax. Iran is going to get theirs once they break the treaty. And they will break the treaty.
Posted by: sadeyesteve at August 19, 2015 05:06 PM (jxQQt)
Posted by: some random meathead at August 19, 2015 05:07 PM (HJqXj)
But you knew that, right?
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 19, 2015 05:07 PM (ljZD2)
Posted by: andycanuck at August 19, 2015 04:56 PM (4TTES)
*snort*
Serious blog-judo there, hoss.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur
Andy's blog fu is black belt.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 19, 2015 05:07 PM (LImvu)
I did not know they were going to drop Meghan McCain on Mecca.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 19, 2015 05:07 PM (YEelc)
I will believe it when I see it. For as badly as we have been burned by the media, the GOP, and the Fed Government in general the past, I can't figure why anyone would believe that Hillary is not going to come out of this smelling like a Rose.
Posted by: Covert Revolutionary at August 19, 2015 05:07 PM (SJi0a)
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 19, 2015 05:08 PM (0LHZx)
You mean my constant smug insults of social conservatives is not persuasive?
Posted by: Mr. Doo Doo at August 19, 2015 05:08 PM (OD2ni)
So go vote for Walker. No one cares.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 19, 2015 05:08 PM (MYSVz)
Random order, too--don't want the guys at the end of the alphabet sneaking out.
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 19, 2015 05:09 PM (/kI1Q)
I think people are allowed to be upset when they see impotence in the face of an existential threat
people get upset about things like that
they expect their government to protect them from things like that
in fact, you might say that is the primary function of government is to protect the populace from existential threats
people take it personally
they dont like to see it be ignored so a politcal party can say "I told you so" over the millions of smoking bodies hoping to get a chance at "thier turn" ruling
makes them feel expendable.
most people take thier personal safety as more important than party loyalty
these are rational people
people who put party above their own personal safety and that of their families?
we call those people "zealots" or "idiots"
Posted by: ThunderB at August 19, 2015 05:09 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: trumpetdaddy
Oh, I'm sorry, did I interrupt everybody sucking each other's dicks about how much they hate people who could give a shit about them?
Posted by: trumpetdaddy
You can't help yourself can you?
Posted by: Cheri at August 19, 2015 05:09 PM (oiNtH)
"On the anniversary of last summer's Gaza massacre, in the 48th year of Israeli occupation, the 67th year of Palestinians' ongoing Nakba (the Arabic word for Israel's ethnic cleansing)-and in the fourth century of Black oppression in the present-day United States-we, the undersigned Black activists, artists, scholars, writers, and political prisoners offer this letter of reaffirmed solidarity with the Palestinian struggle and commitment to the liberation of Palestine's land and people."
The list of signatories includes scholar-activists Angela Davis and Cornel West, political prisoners Mumia Abu-Jamal and Sundiata Acoli, rappers Talib Kweli, Boots Riley and Jasiri X, and Black Lives Matter co-founder Patrisse Cullors. Organizational signers include the Florida-based Dream Defenders and St. Louis-based Hands Up United and Tribe X, which were founded after the killings of Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown, respectively, as well as the 35-year-old Organization for Black Struggle in St. Louis.
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Yeah, I remember that Gaza massacre last summer. Brutal! Brutal!
Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 19, 2015 05:10 PM (XUKZU)
This deal will fuck over America and aside from Arabs and the far left, I don't see how it makes anyone happy, especially those who control the GOPe.
I just don't get it.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 19, 2015 05:10 PM (0LHZx)
But you knew that, right?
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 19, 2015 05:07 PM (ljZD2)
--He also signed over a quarter billion of scarce state money for a bounce-ball arena in Milwaukee for a team owned by a Democrat. So much for fiscal responsibility.
Posted by: logprof at August 19, 2015 05:10 PM (vsbNu)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 19, 2015 05:09 PM (zOTsN)
My, that's polite from you today
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 19, 2015 05:10 PM (OLNwX)
I did not know they were going to drop Meghan McCain on Mecca.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 19, 2015 05:07 PM (YEelc)
They need to play this song LOUD when they drop Meghan McCain over Mecca:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTL2TKgNhpI
Posted by: naturalfake at August 19, 2015 05:10 PM (0cMkb)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 19, 2015 05:10 PM (cN9Sk)
It kind of helps seeing others frustration too.
Posted by: Seems Legit at August 19, 2015 05:10 PM (Xa4vS)
Posted by: Picric at August 19, 2015 05:10 PM (Ymp4x)
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama (MMMMM MMMMM MMMMM) at August 19, 2015 05:11 PM (72D6h)
Talk like that will have us all up on our toes, noses pressed up against the window waiting for the "Rove to be frog marched within 24 business hours" moment that liberals dreamed of a decade ago.
Posted by: jwest at August 19, 2015 05:11 PM (P/xrJ)
As I have stated many times before, I am NOT a turtle....and I have no testicles, internal or otherwise.
Posted by: Mitch McConnell at August 19, 2015 05:11 PM (lRwmz)
which resulted in??
Walker stood there in the debate with his thumb up his ass making agreeable noises.
He would be the first asshole to bipartisan his ass into some phat PAC money the minute he took up residence in D.C.
Fuck your GOP.
Posted by: some random meathead at August 19, 2015 05:11 PM (HJqXj)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 19, 2015 05:11 PM (kvWer)
I just don't get it.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 19, 201
Ba-Rock, The Magic Negro is why.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 19, 2015 05:11 PM (OLNwX)
So go vote for Walker. No one cares.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 19, 2015 05:08 PM (MYSVz)
He's not interested in Walker. If he was he wouldn't need to come here spouting his Gopesuckery. A significant portion of this here very blog's commentariat could or would support a Walker candidacy, if such a thing were possible.
But it's not. This Gopesucker is here to trumpet Jeb! Or Jeb! Lite, if Jeb! is too flaccid to survive the nomination process.
Who is Jeb! Lite? Not Walker, that much we know.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 19, 2015 05:12 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: andycanuck at August 19, 2015 05:12 PM (4TTES)
Good times, good times.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 19, 2015 05:13 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: logprof at August 19, 2015 05:10 PM (vsbNu)
__________
Billionaire owner given hundreds of millions of dollars, paid for by property tax increases on people making $50K a year.
But yeah...CONSERVATIVE!!
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 19, 2015 05:13 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 19, 2015 05:14 PM (kvWer)
Posted by: Boss Moss
The majority of administration selected rabbis, actors and scientists like it. Also the Chamber of Commerce.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 19, 2015 05:14 PM (W5DcG)
Shame the deal's supporters and incite the masses to march for its defeat.
He's got the ability to generate a protest like nobody else.
(McConnell must be a pedophile)
Posted by: ouch at August 19, 2015 05:14 PM (zYgqi)
Shhhhhhh.......I'm Wabbit Hunt'n
Posted by: Covert Revolutionary at August 19, 2015 05:14 PM (SJi0a)
Posted by: Blanco Basura at August 19, 2015 05:15 PM (YEelc)
We don't play.
Posted by: sadeyesteve at August 19, 2015 05:15 PM (jxQQt)
Posted by: Picric at August 19, 2015 05:10 PM (Ymp4x)
Fight what?
They already pre-approved this treaty by a 98-1 vote in the Senate.
You only need 2/3 to ratify a treaty.
98 is more than 2/3.
That vote (for the Corker bill) is all the Obama admin needs to say the Senate already approved this by a 2/3 majority, and I'm fairly sure a court would uphold that.
So... what's there to fight?
This is all by design. The fight was months ago, back when me and others like me were being called stupid for not understanding what the Corker bill was. Well, turns out we were right. Hmmm.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 19, 2015 05:15 PM (AkOaV)
bounce-ball arena in Milwaukee for a team owned by a Democrat. So much
for fiscal responsibility."
Oh, so deals that make sense for a state's taxpayers should automatically be not signed if one of the parties to the deal is a Democrat? Good luck selling that narrow brand of partisanship to normal people who don't think about politics 24/7.
Shortsightedness is certainly not lacking in supply in this thread today.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 19, 2015 05:16 PM (ljZD2)
meanwhile Trumpet Daddy, lets ignore this fucking black hole of a Iran Deal so you can call people names over the "right" TO CHOP UP LIVING BABIES N A PIE TIN TO REMOVE THEIR BRAINS THROUGH THEIR LITTLE FACES AND SELL THEM TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER
we're the monsters
you are a fucking ghoul, a believer in human sacrifice
Posted by: ThunderB at August 19, 2015 05:16 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 19, 2015 05:14 PM (kvWer)
-----
Which is why JJ said some missiles from Israel will come via SA
Posted by: Seems Legit at August 19, 2015 05:16 PM (Xa4vS)
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 19, 2015 05:16 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: DJIA Death Watch at August 19, 2015 05:17 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 19, 2015 05:17 PM (kvWer)
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 19, 2015 05:18 PM (/kI1Q)
So it's no surprise that Sanders is doing so well
(Because he's going to make a socialist heaven) and Trump (perceived to be an outsider) is doing so well.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 19, 2015 05:18 PM (OSs/l)
Posted by: Mrs. trumpetdaddy at August 19, 2015 05:18 PM (Vf5rR)
Posted by: Picric at August 19, 2015 05:18 PM (Ymp4x)
Posted by: model_1066 at August 19, 2015 05:18 PM (WEvvb)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 19, 2015 05:18 PM (zOTsN)
No, but when someone claims to be fiscally responsible, we shouldn't be hearing stories about them looting the treasury to give money to cronies.
ESPECIALLY if they're not even his cronies, although it's bad either way.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 19, 2015 05:18 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Hrothgar
I thought it was pretty funny, too. Like the country auctions up here: they ALWAYS print "rod iron" instead of "wrought iron" in the auction listing.
Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at August 19, 2015 05:18 PM (VBbCO)
trumpetdaddy is Rick Wilson??
Posted by: Soothsayer at August 19, 2015 05:19 PM (+YvQf)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 19, 2015 05:19 PM (XUKZU)
Same thing with (frinstance) Lois Lerner - I would have made her sit in that chair taking the 5th for days on end, instead of just giving up and heading for the golf course after only a few go-rounds.
Lazyass scumsuckers just marking time while collecting fat paychecks. Throw 'em all out.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 19, 2015 05:19 PM (go6ud)
I believe that was a gallup poll released in the last year or so. I remember reading those numbers, but I can't find it on google. Sorry!
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 19, 2015 05:19 PM (AkOaV)
Idiot.
I've never said shit about Jeb Bush. Why don't you deal with what is actually reality and not the imagined reality in your head.
Maybe, you might consider the possibility that your narrow, insular, single-issue viewpoint isn't shared by most of the mainstream of conservatives, not just not shared by the few people who like Jeb Bush. Walker supporters don't like it, either.
see, because the idea is to get to 50%+1 in every state where that is possible, not be the purest, pure, pure-guy on the internet.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 19, 2015 05:19 PM (ljZD2)
And yet the GOPe wonders why the base hates them. This is why I find it useless to vote for federal offices.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 19, 2015 05:20 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 19, 2015 05:09 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Seems Legit at August 19, 2015 05:20 PM (Xa4vS)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 19, 2015 05:21 PM (zOTsN)
Shortsightedness is certainly not lacking in supply in this thread today.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 19, 2015 05:16 PM (ljZD2)
--There are two issues: The first is that it does not make sense for the state's taxpayers; most don't give a shit about the Bucks. It was caving in to the tired old threats of sports teams to bolt unless they get enbough from the public till from their shakedown. That alone marked a grave violation of Walker's signature issue, fiscal responsibility.
The fact that the Bucks' owner is Dem made it doubly politically stupid.
No sense of fiscal rectitude. No sense of leadership, explaining to the public why the deal sucks and is veto-worthy. No sense of Tea Party values or of the fisc-con part of the base.
Posted by: logprof at August 19, 2015 05:21 PM (vsbNu)
--------------------------
Have you ever been a caller on Late Night Coast to Coast?
Posted by: Soona at August 19, 2015 05:21 PM (P25Hh)
I mean, I understand why ace is reluctant to use the ban hammer, I get it.
But it adds nothing to the conversation and just comes here to pick fights and insult people.
And it's like arguing with a college kid -- so uninformed I don't even know where to begin.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 19, 2015 05:21 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 19, 2015 05:22 PM (evdj2)
http://tinyurl.com/Hilarious-Hell-and-Back
Posted by: Sharkman at August 19, 2015 05:22 PM (72D6h)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 1
Rules. Pics.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 19, 2015 05:22 PM (OLNwX)
I like the cut of your jib. We just need to get more Republicans elected.Beliefs don't matter.
Posted by: Mitch McConnell at August 19, 2015 05:23 PM (OD2ni)
Posted by: French Armed Forces at August 19, 2015 05:23 PM (lRwmz)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 19, 2015 05:23 PM (kvWer)
Because that's what is going on in Milwaukee with the NBA deal, right? Keeping millionaires in town and paying taxes and not seeing the downtown of your state's largest city turn into a black hole had nothing to do with it, right?
Like I said, shortsightedness in certainly not in short supply today.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 19, 2015 05:23 PM (ljZD2)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 19, 2015 05:23 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 19, 2015 05:22 PM (evdj2)
Never.
And they always go way over budget.
And they always cause huge PITA for everyone who lives near there with added traffic, congestion, and drunk assholes.
But on the flip side, cronies always seem to make out like bandits when it comes to these huge (ahem) "infrastructure" projects, so they do have that going for them.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 19, 2015 05:23 PM (AkOaV)
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 19, 2015 05:13 PM (AkOaV)
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Obama had the power to make any deal he wanted to BEFORE the Corker bill. The Senate could not kill the deal (without a veto override) BEFORE the Corker bill.
You can say that the Corker bill did nothing, but you cannot blame it for the deal. THAT is the work of Precious and his horse-faced goon.
No one has yet explained exactly WHAT could or can be done. (And please don't say "impeachment." since conviction requires 2/3 of the Senate.)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 19, 2015 05:23 PM (cN9Sk)
automatically be not signed if one of the parties to the deal is a
Democrat? Good luck selling that narrow brand of partisanship to normal
people who don't think about politics 24/7.
Shortsightedness is certainly not lacking in supply in this thread today.
Has a taxpayer stadium deal ever worked out to benefit the community it was supposed to serve? There's been evidence to the contrary. Let me see if I can find the links I used to have.
Posted by: hadoop at August 19, 2015 05:24 PM (2X7pN)
I didn't read the entire thread. What is the supposed single issue?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 19, 2015 05:24 PM (OSs/l)
Posted by: Yo! at August 19, 2015 05:24 PM (q+zA9)
Posted by: eleven at August 19, 2015 05:25 PM (MDgS8)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 19, 2015 05:25 PM (zOTsN)
Nonsense. Your role is to come here and shill for Gope. Walker is not your guy. It's the guy they told you to come here and pretend was your guy, because they figure you are such a disagreeable jerk, people will say "oh gosh, if this Gopesucker likes Walker, then I HATE Walker!"
So, so very clever.
No, your lips are firmly attached to Gope. You'll suck on Gope as long as Gope will have you.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 19, 2015 05:25 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 19, 2015 05:22 PM (evdj2)
--They don't. I'm not even sure if the municipality/state owned the facility outright it would make money, gummint being gummint.
Posted by: logprof at August 19, 2015 05:26 PM (vsbNu)
Like I said, shortsightedness in certainly not in short supply today.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 19, 2015 05:23 PM (ljZD2)
Yes, taking money from the single mother struggling to pay her property taxes and mortgage and giving that money to cronies who donate to the right politicians to build multi-million dollar sports complex for multi-million dollar sports franchises is absolutely "looting the treasury" and I don't care if its short sighted or long sighted, it's theft of public money to use for a private organization.
Whether or not it brings additional tax revenue to the city (it never brings anywhere near the tax revenue it promises) or extra business to downtown.
It's theft.
If Ms. Smith who works 2 jobs and has 2 kids and is struggling to make her property tax payments wants to donate money to build a stadium for the poor multi-millionaire franchise, she's free to. But to take it from her against her will (and they WILL take away her house is she refuses) is the definition of theft.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 19, 2015 05:27 PM (AkOaV)
He has no idea that everyone is staring at him wondering how someone so stupid could possibly type.
Posted by: some random meathead at August 19, 2015 05:27 PM (HJqXj)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 19, 2015 05:27 PM (zOTsN)
"Not all men have penises and not all people with penises are men"
Posted by: Notsothoreau at August 19, 2015 05:27 PM (Lqy/e)
Posted by: Landofskybluewater at August 19, 2015 05:27 PM (lRwmz)
I'm not sure. Someone conflated a taxpayer funded stadium deal with political cronyism and strumpette's mellow was harshed. Outrage ensued!
Posted by: hadoop at August 19, 2015 05:27 PM (2X7pN)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 19, 2015 05:27 PM (kvWer)
No sense of fiscal rectitude. No sense of leadership, explaining to the public why the deal sucks and is veto-worthy. No sense of Tea Party values or of the fisc-con part of the base.
Posted by: logprof at August 19, 2015 05:21
Google Bradley Center St. of Wisconsin obligations. Either way if they had stayed or left WI was going to be on the hook for an arena. Secondly, new owners of Bucks are proven "winners" when it comes to developments. There is nothing going on in the CIty of Milwaukee. Lastly, quite a bit of state income tax comes in from NBA players.
I'm from NW Wisconsin and could care less about the Bucks. However, the whole new vs. old is a wash. The problem with Walker is he is too dam nice and won't speak about it.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 19, 2015 05:27 PM (OLNwX)
Posted by: Eromero at August 19, 2015 05:27 PM (go5uR)
Nothing could have been done. Then the statuary sanctions would have remained in effect, suspended for the next 18 months at Barry's "discretion". Then it really would have been all on him. The Republican Leadership IS.IN.ON.IT.
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes at August 19, 2015 05:28 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 19, 2015 05:28 PM (zOTsN)
I wish I shared his optimism. It appears to me that anyone even slightly associated with the GOP Establishment should be shouted down and throw out of office, even if that means full collapse...probably going to happen anyway.
Posted by: Covert Revolutionary at August 19, 2015 05:28 PM (SJi0a)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 19, 2015 05:29 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Bosk at August 19, 2015 05:29 PM (n2K+4)
Posted by: andycanuck at August 19, 2015 05:29 PM (4TTES)
Posted by: hadoop at August 19, 2015 05:24 PM (2X7pN)
--It's a constant theme in Gregg Easterbrook's TMQ column. I could probably search the archives and find the links he has used; last year he even brought up the Milwaukee boondoggle.
Posted by: logprof at August 19, 2015 05:29 PM (vsbNu)
Posted by: Boss Moss at August 19, 2015 05:29 PM (kvWer)
Same thing with (frinstance) Lois Lerner - I would have made her sit in that chair taking the 5th for days on end, instead of just giving up and heading for the GOLFcourse after only a few go-rounds.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 19, 2015 05:19 PM (go6ud)
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THIS.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 19, 2015 05:29 PM (cN9Sk)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 19, 2015 05:29 PM (XUKZU)
No one has yet explained exactly WHAT could or can be done. (And please don't say "impeachment." since conviction requires 2/3 of the Senate.)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 19, 2015 05:23 PM (cN9Sk)
Do you really want me to explain it, or are you just being argumentative?
The long and short of it is any treaty requires 2/3 approval from the Senate.
The Corker Bill inverted that requirement.
If you honestly want more info, I'll be glad to explain it, but I have a feeling you're just being an asshole and I'm really not in the mood to waste my time writing everything out to get a "NU UH!!" response.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 19, 2015 05:29 PM (AkOaV)
The betrayal on the part of professional politicians is astonishing.
Abe said, "... that government of the people, by the people and for the people should not perish from the earth."
Sorry Abe. All your best efforts... and all that.
Posted by: Semper In Stercus at August 19, 2015 05:30 PM (BZAd3)
Trump is the biggest problem with the Republican Party."
How can that be, he is overtaking Jeb on being the one who can beat Hillary?
I don't get the R party, why aren't we lining up behind him to do the single most important thing that the R party has been saying when Jeb was in the lead on being able to beat Hillary?
This whole thing is getting too confusing. It's like staring at a Salvadore Dali painting for too long.
Posted by: Drider at August 19, 2015 05:30 PM (6Xbsz)
Posted by: Samuel L. Fishburne at August 19, 2015 05:30 PM (loVRi)
Posted by: some random meathead at August 19, 2015 05:30 PM (HJqXj)
millionaires that actually live in Milwaukee, not born there, live there and pay taxes
Posted by: ThunderB at August 19, 2015 05:29
We know, WI isn't as good as TX. Big fucking whoop
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 19, 2015 05:30 PM (OLNwX)
383 well. I guess I need to calm my tits.
........................
For that I recommend spraying cold water on your t-shirt.
Posted by: wth at August 19, 2015 05:30 PM (wAQA5)
I'm
not sure. Someone conflated a taxpayer funded stadium deal with
political cronyism and strumpette's mellow was harshed. Outrage ensued!
Posted by: hadoop at August 19, 2015 05:27 PM (2X7pN)
It's illegal mexican love. That's the single issue... or what this Gopesucker is on about is how everybody else here has made a single issue out of opposing illegal mexicans.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 19, 2015 05:30 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 19, 2015 05:31 PM (zOTsN)
Sam Adams?
Posted by: andycanuck at August 19, 2015 05:32 PM (4TTES)
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 19, 2015 05:33 PM (ljZD2)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 19, 2015 05:28 PM (zOTsN)
--Uh, the 12 Bucks and their coaching staff --if they don't keep domiciles elsewhere.
Posted by: logprof at August 19, 2015 05:33 PM (vsbNu)
TD was saying the stadium was to keep millionaires in the city
so who are these guys
Most athletes claim TX or FL as their residence no matter where they play
no state income tax
Posted by: ThunderB at August 19, 2015 05:33 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Cruzinator at August 19, 2015 05:33 PM (cJswI)
Well Trump has my attention. That makes me a frothing at the mouth, drooling hillbilly.
I'm not responsible for my actions atm, I apologize. ; )
Posted by: Drider at August 19, 2015 05:33 PM (6Xbsz)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 19, 2015 05:33 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: logprof at August 19, 2015 05:34 PM (vsbNu)
Gopesucker is on about is how everybody else here has made a single
issue out of opposing illegal mexicans.
If we keep abandoning one principle at a time, eventually you're left without any. We caved on the socon issues, and look where that got us. Peeling the onion one layer at a time.
Posted by: hadoop at August 19, 2015 05:35 PM (2X7pN)
lived in TX
same with Roger Clemens
tons and tons of football, basketball and baseball players have homes in FL or TX for tax reasons
Posted by: ThunderB at August 19, 2015 05:35 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 19, 2015 05:35 PM (ljZD2)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 19, 2015 05:33 PM (zOTsN)
Ok ThunderB, misread you there.
Doesn't matter if you live in FL or TX if you work in St of WI you pay income tax if you work here or play here, say as in LeBron James.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 19, 2015 05:36 PM (OLNwX)
Nothing could have been done. Then the statuary sanctions would have remained in effect, suspended for the next 18 months at Barry's "discretion". Then it really would have been all on him. The Republican Leadership IS.IN.ON.IT.
Posted by: Grump928(c) NOTES at August 19, 2015 05:28 PM (evdj2)
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It's still all on him.
Only more obviously so since the Congressional vote provides a record and opportunity for debate.
(I have to agree with Cruz on this.)
And I don't think the GOP is "in on it." Hell, half the Dems wouldn't want a deal this bad.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 19, 2015 05:36 PM (cN9Sk)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 19, 2015 05:36 PM (zOTsN)
go fuck yourself, and stop talking to me, asshole.
You're on my last nerve. fuck off with your Ron Paul R3vOLution style viral agitations.
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2015 05:36 PM (dciA+)
Confusing....non of it really makes sense anymore.
Posted by: Covert Revolutionary at August 19, 2015 05:37 PM (SJi0a)
Only more obviously so since the Congressional vote provides a record and opportunity for debate.
Indeed. A record of 98-1 in favor.
Posted by: Grump928(c) notes at August 19, 2015 05:37 PM (evdj2)
Seeing that both are from Texas that's not unusual.
Posted by: Cruzinator at August 19, 2015 05:37 PM (cJswI)
so away games dont count, training camp may not count if its not there and off season doesnt count
Posted by: ThunderB at August 19, 2015 05:37 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 19, 2015 05:38 PM (zOTsN)
This isn't rocket science.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 19, 2015 05:38 PM (ljZD2)
Posted by: ThunderB at August 19, 2015 05:38 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: ace at August 19, 2015 05:39 PM (dciA+)
not away games, sometimes not camp, and not off season
Posted by: ThunderB at August 19, 2015 05:39 PM (zOTsN)
Declare the war we've been at with Iran since 1979.
And then do TFG and his pony for Treason.
Don't have to actually war with Iran just put the dipshit squad out.
Posted by: DaveA at August 19, 2015 05:40 PM (DL2i+)
Trump is not who he is pretending to be. That people can't see the obvious is whats aggravating. Admittedly he has been a positive in flushing out the issues but that's the only positive.
Posted by: Cruzinator at August 19, 2015 05:40 PM (cJswI)
Your @373 murder(abortion) comment.
If EVER there was a cut, jib, newsletter comment on this site...
That. Was. It.
Posted by: teej who wants a lab puppy at August 19, 2015 05:40 PM (IG9gl)
so away games dont count, training camp may not count if its not there and off season doesnt count
Posted by: ThunderB at August 19, 2015 05:37 PM (zOTsN
Your TX residents will pay WI income tax if they play here either as a WI player or visiting player.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 19, 2015 05:41 PM (OLNwX)
No, but zippy missed the Green Revolution opportunity because he minored in International Relations in college or something.
Posted by: hadoop at August 19, 2015 05:42 PM (2X7pN)
Great...I don't see where all this fits in. Do we not have bigger fish to fry?
Posted by: Covert Revolutionary at August 19, 2015 05:42 PM (SJi0a)
"trumet daddy they only pay on income earned int he state"
Correct. But half the season is in Milwaukee, yes? So, there is money to be taxed on those games, yes?
Money which would not be available to be taxed if the team weren't there anymore, and the city and state would still be on the hook for the existing arena, which would now have no tenant. Walker got the best deal he could in that situation.
Sometimes you don't have a good option, you only have a least-worst option. People who are currently in executive elected office have to make decisions and not just talk, talk, talk. Making decisions means pissing some people off. But the least we could do is not lie about those decisions.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 19, 2015 05:43 PM (ljZD2)
Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at August 19, 2015 05:43 PM (/kI1Q)
Walker is not perfect.
Cruz isn't perfect
Trump isn't perfect
No one is perfect. Just hate to see Walker bogged down here on this blog with incorrect info.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 19, 2015 05:44 PM (OLNwX)
Name one politician that doesn't fit that statement. Maybe Bernie Sanders!
Posted by: hadoop at August 19, 2015 05:44 PM (2X7pN)
Exactly.
Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 19, 2015 05:45 PM (ljZD2)
Well that's been good enough for me right now. If it is as you say I will re-think it. As of right now though, I just don't care if I get what I want on the Social front. I just want somebody to guarantee a strong Free-Market system for the future, because I believe that without it, it is impossible to maintain the constitution as originally written. Well See if your right, he is going to be severely tested before the Spring.
Posted by: Covert Revolutionary at August 19, 2015 05:46 PM (SJi0a)
"Babykillers" and "murderers" they were called, by the press and the left.
The soldiers tried to defend themselves by saying, truthfully, "But we had no choice! We were following orders! If we had disobeyed our commanding officers, especially in the heat of battle, we would have been field-court-martialed and executed on the spot."
The anti-war crowd dismissed such a defense, saying, "When an order is obviously illegal, you are duty-bound to ignore it. That also is in the military code. You should have turned around and shot your officers for committing war crimes."
I'd like to now throw this back in the Left's faces, and make them play by their own rules, Alinsky-style.
Obama is not only violating the law, but he is self-evidently committing treason against the United States. Are we not, thereby, duty-bound to resist his administration at every level, in every way possible, up to and including civil disobedience and (yes, it has gotten this far) active resistance against government functioning? (Armed or otherwise.)
Yeah, I went there.
Posted by: zombie at August 19, 2015 05:48 PM (jBuUi)
Posted by: logprof at August 19, 2015 05:50 PM (vsbNu)
(Makes mental note to go through the whole thread)
Posted by: logprof at August 19, 2015 05:55 PM (vsbNu)
I don't know if you're right, but GOD'S protection has certainly been lifted from America for the reasons you sited. We are a nation of covenant breakers and are being punished by a righteous and just GOD.
Posted by: Eromero at August 19, 2015 05:55 PM (go5uR)
Posted by: Grad School Fool at August 19, 2015 06:10 PM (A9KzJ)
Posted by: OCBill at August 19, 2015 06:53 PM (cPg42)
My guess: A lot of Democrats will unexpectedly vote against the deal at the last minute, and then McCuckold will have to walk the floor personally and twist arms for enough Republican votes to save this dogshit treaty that he pretends to oppose.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at August 19, 2015 08:24 PM (wKc1L)
Even as leader of the GOP and Senate, his seat has been pretty much vacant as far as providing positive clear leadership about what the GOP stand for -- hence his intense battles at getting re-elected against weak Dem candidates. Sure, Mitch may know how to mix it up in the trenches of Senate politics, but he's a long history of being abysmal when it comes to providing concise clarity for what the GOP stands for as is expected of true leaders.
Posted by: Seipherd at August 19, 2015 08:57 PM (BGMgo)
Posted by: KauaiGoneGin at August 19, 2015 09:34 PM (uWaQa)
Posted by: wodun at August 19, 2015 10:05 PM (DD0s8)
http://tinyurl.com/ndhqfc7
McConnell says "hard sell" six more I think it's going to be a hard sell. Hard sell. "
Posted by: wodun at August 19, 2015 10:25 PM (DD0s8)
Posted by: Funeral Guy at August 20, 2015 01:36 AM (p0zHt)
Posted by: Ma Bell at August 20, 2015 09:44 AM (9pK6I)
What McConnell should be doing is going to the courts, because this is certainly a treaty and should be subject to a 2/3rds vote in the Senate.
Where are I wrong?
Posted by: MC Slammer at August 20, 2015 11:39 AM (eKIg1)
irony poetic justice
Posted by: Beeblebrox has 2 Heads at August 22, 2015 11:40 AM (OPCz2)
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