Democrat Senator Bob Menendez Drops Detailed, Damning Case Against the Nuclear Deal

Via @davereaboi of @IranTruthUSA, Menendez's speech (the script for which is presented here) is all but unanswerable.

Why does Iran -- which has the world's fourth largest proven oil reserves, with 157 billion barrels of crude oil and the world's second largest proven natural gas reserves with 1,193 trillion cubic feet of natural gas -- need nuclear power for domestic energy?
We know that despite the fact that Iran claims their nuclear program is for peaceful purposes, they have violated the international will, as expressed by various U.N. Security Council Resolutions, and by deceit, deception and delay advanced their program to the point of being a threshold nuclear state. It is because of these facts, and the fact that the world believes that Iran was weaponizing its nuclear program at the Parchin Military Base -- as well as developing a covert uranium enrichment facility in Fordow, built deep inside of a mountain, raising serious doubts about the peaceful nature of their civilian program, and their sponsorship of state terrorism -- that the world united against Iran's nuclear program.
In that context, let's remind ourselves of the stated purpose of our negotiations with Iran: Simply put, it was to dismantle all -- or significant parts -- of Iran's illicit nuclear infrastructure to ensure that it would not have nuclear weapons capability at any time. Not shrink its infrastructure. Not limit it. But fully dismantle Iran’s nuclear weapons capability.
We said we would accommodate Iran's practical national needs, but not leave the region -- and the world -- facing the threat of a nuclear armed Iran at a time of its choosing. In essence, we thought the agreement would be roll-back-for-roll-back: you roll-back your infrastructure and we'll roll-back our sanctions.
At the end of the day, what we appear to have is a roll-back of sanctions and Iran only limiting its capability, but not dismantling it or rolling it back. What do we get? We get an alarm bell should they decide to violate their commitments, and a system for inspections to verify their compliance. That, in my view, is a far cry from 'dismantling.'
I recall in the early days of the Administration's overtures to Iran, asking Secretary of State, John Kerry, at a meeting of Senators, about dismantling Arak, Iran's plutonium reactor. His response was swift and certain. He said: 'They will either dismantle it or we will destroy it.'
I remember that our understanding was that the Fordow facility was to be closed -- that it was not necessary for a peaceful civilian nuclear program to have an underground enrichment facility. That the Iranians would have to come absolutely clean about their weaponization activities at Parchin and agree to promise anytime anywhere inspections.
We now know all of that fell by the wayside. But what we cannot dismiss is that we have now abandoned our long-held policy of preventing nuclear proliferation and are now embarked --not on preventing nuclear proliferation -- but on managing or containing it -- which leaves us with a far less desirable, less secure, and less certain world order. So, I am deeply concerned that this is a significant shift in our nonproliferation policy, and about what it will mean in terms of a potential arms race in an already dangerous region.
While I have many specific concerns about this agreement, my overarching concern is that it requires no dismantling of Iran’s nuclear infrastructure and only mothballs that infrastructure for 10 years. Not even one centrifuge will be destroyed under this agreement. Fordow will be repurposed, and Arak redesigned.

The fact is -- everyone needs to understand what this agreement does and does not do so that they can determine whether providing Iran permanent relief in exchange for short-term promises is a fair trade.
This deal does not require Iran to destroy or fully decommission a single uranium enrichment centrifuge. In fact, over half of Iran’s currently operating centrifuges will continue to spin at its Natanz facility. The remainder, including more than 5,000 operating centrifuges and nearly 10,000 not yet functioning, will merely be disconnected and transferred to another hall at Natanz, where they could be quickly reinstalled to enrich uranium.
And yet we, along with our allies, have agreed to lift the sanctions and allow billions of dollars to flow back into Iran’s economy. We lift sanctions, but -- even during the first 10 years of the agreement -- Iran will be allowed to continue R&D activity on a range of centrifuges -- allowing them to improve their effectiveness over the course of the agreement.
Clearly, the question is: What do we get from this agreement in terms of what we originally sought? We lift sanctions, and -- at year eight -- Iran can actually start manufacturing and testing advanced IR-6 and IR-8 centrifuges that enrich up to 15 times the speed of its current models. At year 15, Iran can start enriching uranium beyond 3.67 percent – the level at which we become concerned about fissile material for a bomb. At year 15, Iran will have NO limits on its uranium stockpile.
This deal grants Iran permanent sanctions relief in exchange for only temporary – temporary -- limitations on its nuclear program – not a rolling-back, not dismantlement, but temporary limitations. At year ten, the UN Security Council Resolution will disappear along with the dispute resolution mechanism needed to snapback UN sanctions and the 24-day mandatory access provision for suspicious sites in Iran.
The deal enshrines for Iran, and in fact commits the international community to assisting Iran in developing an industrial-scale nuclear power program, complete with industrial scale enrichment. While I understand that this program will be subject to Iran's obligations under the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, I think it fails to appreciate Iran's history of deception in its nuclear program and its violations of the NPT.
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Considering the fact that it was President Rouhani, who after conducting his fiscal audit after his election, likely convinced the Ayatollah that Iran’s regime could not sustain itself under the sanctions, and knew that only a negotiated agreement would get Iran the relief it critically needed to sustain the regime and the revolution, the negotiating leverage was, and still is, greatly on our side. However, the JCPOA in paragraph 26 of the Sanctions heading of the agreement, says:

‘The U.S. Administration, acting consistently with the respective roles of the President and the Congress, will refrain from re-introducing or reimposing sanctions specified in Annex II, that it has ceased applying under this JCPOA.
I repeat, we will have to refrain from reintroducing or reimposing the Iran Sanctions Act I authored --which expires next year -- that brought Iran to the table in the first place.
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Whether or not the supporters of the agreement admit it, this deal is based on 'hope' -- hope that when the nuclear sunset clause expires Iran will have succumbed to the benefits of commerce and global integration. Hope that the hardliners will have lost their power and the revolution will end its hegemonic goals. And hope that the regime will allow the Iranian people to decide their fate.
Hope is part of human nature, but unfortunately it is not a national security strategy.

Of course, it's all probably just Failure Theater at this point. But I suppose we should make our voices heard, rather than bringing about doom through inaction.

Posted by: Ace at 04:40 PM

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1 Wonder if his investigation will go away now? A trade off?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at August 18, 2015 04:40 PM (Ii765)

2 A mere whimper in the whirlwind Obama is busy sowing.

Posted by: kathysaysso at August 18, 2015 04:41 PM (fMQoG)

3 Trump nut kicks the Immigration Pussies ..
Now if we can just get our guy to the plate
And FU RUbio and the chamber pot of Commerce

Posted by: TONY JACK at August 18, 2015 04:42 PM (/WmRg)

4 We never meant for things to go this far!

- What all Leftists say as they go up against the wall.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 18, 2015 04:42 PM (evdj2)

5 Hope this guy's head is on a swivel. I foresee troubles for him.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 18, 2015 04:43 PM (OLNwX)

6 bits and pieces of Truth are leaking out at what looks like an increasing pace

WTF ???

Posted by: Bill Dill at August 18, 2015 04:43 PM (8CdUx)

7 Yes, I think it's important to make our voices heard, simply because we don't want them to claim "no one could see this coming" when the inevitable... comes... never mind, not going there. But you get the point.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 18, 2015 04:43 PM (2lndx)

8 The question is ~~moot~~ corkered.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 18, 2015 04:44 PM (evdj2)

9 If Iran is our friend now why are we enabling a future Iranian Fukushima or Chernobyl? Aren't nukular plants bad? We should be helping them create solar panels for energy. And windmills!

Posted by: @votermom at August 18, 2015 04:44 PM (cbfNE)

10 We fleece big-eared kaffir real good.

Posted by: Iran at August 18, 2015 04:44 PM (vsbNu)

11 I don't like how Menendez begins his argument. What does having lots of oil have to do with not having nuclear power? 'Merica has lots of oil and lots of uranium. It makes sense to use nuclear power because it's very efficient for power production. Look at France...

Ok, now I agree that the deal is horrible and we should just continue economic sanctions on Iran to make them capitulate on nuclear weapons.

Posted by: Draki at August 18, 2015 04:44 PM (ioGjO)

12 The Senate already pre-approved this treaty in a 98-1 vote.

So this is kabuki.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 18, 2015 04:45 PM (AkOaV)

13 btw, Trump is negotiating, not campaigning.

The election is over a year off; he's prepping the battlefield ( something Repubs apparently never ever do ). Bust balls now, campaign later

Posted by: Bill Dill at August 18, 2015 04:45 PM (8CdUx)

14 Apologize, OT and repost, but, well, I spent time writing it and was willowed.

RE Hillarys server:

everyones thinking about consumer devices here like a laptop.

Server storage (if its direct attached in a RAID array) works a little differently in that if you have, say, a RAID 5 array with 4 drives, you're writing your data in "ribbons"

As in, your data is being written across the 4 drives.

When one of those 4 drives fail, you can pop in a brand new out of the box drive, and through magic and witchcraft the server can rebuild the missing data on to that new drive that was on the failed drive.

If you delete your data from the 4 drives, then replace 1 at a time and let it rebuild, it will not rebuild the non-mapped "deleted" info, only what is on the live, mapped, environment.

With more complex RAID arrays, it's a little more work, but the same outcome is fairly easy to pull off. It would take a little time -- maybe a day or two (you have to let one drive rebuild at a time, obviously), but it's not difficult and doesnt require a lot of tech knowledge to do.

Now, if her data was on a NAS or SAN (more common than direct attach), it's even easier to pull all of that off without anyone noticing.

So there may be some ghost pathways that the FBI can find, but rebuilding anything usable...? I doubt it.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 18, 2015 04:46 PM (AkOaV)

15 >>Of course, it's all probably just Failure Theater at this point. But I suppose we should make our voices heard, rather than bringing about doom through inaction.

A) It is.
B) Yes, we probably should
C) But, then again, they don't listen to us anyway.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 18, 2015 04:46 PM (OLNwX)

16 Why does Iran -- which has the world's fourth largest proven oil
reserves, with 157 billion barrels of crude oil and the world's second
largest proven natural gas reserves with 1,193 trillion cubic feet of
natural gas -- need nuclear power for domestic energy?

Because shuttup , that's why.

Posted by: Uniparty Congress - Salivating Over That Sweet Iran Market at August 18, 2015 04:47 PM (HJqXj)

17 Posted by: mynewhandle at August 18, 2015 04:46 PM (AkOaV)

Really? OT this soon? Cripes

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 18, 2015 04:47 PM (OLNwX)

18 Menendez, like Schumer , is just a warmonger. Probably Jewish too.
Whirled peas now!

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at August 18, 2015 04:47 PM (mk66A)

19
and willowed.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 18, 2015 04:48 PM (ODxAs)

20 So there may be some ghost pathways that the FBI can find, but rebuilding anything usable...? I doubt it.

In fairness, we actually have no idea how the system was configured and what was done to it.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 18, 2015 04:48 PM (evdj2)

21 The final vote will be oh so close. Oh so close.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 18, 2015 04:48 PM (x5WT1)

22 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at August 18, 2015 04:48 PM (q+zA9)

23 I don't like how Menendez begins his argument. What does having lots of oil have to do with not having nuclear power?

He's a Democrat. He doesn't understand that putting all your hopes into a single monolithic government program is a bad thing.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 18, 2015 04:48 PM (2lndx)

24 We could have gotten more from them if we'd been willing to switch to metric!

Posted by: Lincoln Chafee at August 18, 2015 04:49 PM (HstNY)

25 13 comments 'til the first Trump one.

That must be record late.

Posted by: logprof at August 18, 2015 04:49 PM (vsbNu)

26 Kabuki Theater:

Menendez is going to trial and Schumer counted the votes.

Next

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 04:49 PM (DUoqb)

27 Barry and Kerry need a agreement no matter what and lefties could care about Israel

Posted by: Skip at August 18, 2015 04:50 PM (6EYPb)

28 25 13 comments 'til the first Trump one.

That must be record late.
Posted by: logprof at August 18, 2015 04:49 PM (vsbNu)

TRUMP'S CAMPAIGN IS COLLAPSING

Posted by: Hot Air at August 18, 2015 04:50 PM (x5WT1)

29 Wonder why the DOJ is prosecuting Menendez? That a guess.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 18, 2015 04:50 PM (0FSuD)

30 "rather than bringing about doom through inaction"

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Personally, I'm going to attempt to bring about doom through inebriation.

Posted by: irright at August 18, 2015 04:50 PM (pMGkg)

31 So -who won the worst band ever last night? Journey or Foreigner?

Posted by: Werner Heisenberg at August 18, 2015 04:50 PM (cgxNI)

32 He's in the thrall of the neocon Jews....J Street told me so!

Posted by: Jewish LIV at August 18, 2015 04:51 PM (Zu3d9)

33 In fairness, we actually have no idea how the system was configured and what was done to it.

Yes, this is Hillary! after all. She may have been running the whole server on a USB drive at various Starbucks and McDonald's.

"No, you cannot make a decision on the embassy until I find a 24-hour McDonald's to check my email!"

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 18, 2015 04:51 PM (2lndx)

34 Afternoon horde! What fresh hell.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 18, 2015 04:51 PM (XAFOu)

35 Forgot the less.

Posted by: Skip at August 18, 2015 04:51 PM (6EYPb)

36 The Iranians want nuclear power because they want nuclear weapons. Anyone who says otherwise is lying, and sucks cock by choice. I do know that at one point we offered to supply the Iranians with fuel rods to generate electricity with the only proviso being that they would return them to us for reprocessing. They said no, because they want the plutonium.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 18, 2015 04:51 PM (evdj2)

37 When you have to rely on Bob Menendez to be your truth teller, your party, and your country, are in serious trouble.

Posted by: pep at August 18, 2015 04:51 PM (LAe3v)

38 Those crafty, crafty jooooz made him say this.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 18, 2015 04:51 PM (oVJmc)

39
A few weeks ago I read that Iran gets to tour US nuclear facilities as part of the deal.

So... that's nice.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 18, 2015 04:52 PM (ODxAs)

40 The Senate already pre-approved this treaty in a 98-1 vote.

So this is kabuki.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 18, 2015 04:45 PM

You misspelled "bukkake."

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 18, 2015 04:52 PM (QiBX8)

41 It may be just failure theater, but I do appreciate that the senator brought it up.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Free Shipping for Atrocities, Monstrosities, and Barbarisms at the Outrage Outlet! at August 18, 2015 04:52 PM (hLRSq)

42 This "accord" insures War in out time and probably a nuclear War.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 04:52 PM (DUoqb)

43 Free Beacon has a story up claiming the Iranian mullahs threatened personal harm to the IAEA chief if he revealed something about the secret side deals to Congress, during recent meetings with them.

These are the sorts of people Fredo is doing business with, mobsters who care nothing about going public with threats.

Posted by: MTF at August 18, 2015 04:52 PM (PxqU/)

44
I hate admitting this, but Menendez speaks quite eloquently on this topic.

Posted by: Soothsayer II, thirty-two-time Top Commenter at August 18, 2015 04:52 PM (DxVXo)

45 Can't we all just get along?

Posted by: Uniparty Congress - Salivating Over That Sweet Iran Market at August 18, 2015 04:53 PM (HJqXj)

46 Without will in the National Command Authority (i.e. Obama) there is no danger of a conflict with Iran.

Even with extreme provocation, the US military will be supine as directed by the White House. PBHO tipped his hand in 2009 by supporting the regime in power and not helping the protesters.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at August 18, 2015 04:53 PM (u82oZ)

47 It may be just failure theater, but I do appreciate that the senator brought it up.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Free Shipping for Atrocities, Monstrosities, and Barbarisms at the Outrage Outlet! at August 18, 2015 04:52 PM (hLRSq)

Why? The fuck supported Fredo's re-election and THAT is what insured this would be done. Fuck him and Hudson County

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 04:53 PM (DUoqb)

48 When you've lost Democrat Senator Bob Menendez, make sure Bill Clinton can't find you either.

Posted by: Underage Dominican Hooker at August 18, 2015 04:54 PM (Vf5rR)

49 "If Iran is our friend now why are we enabling a future Iranian Fukushima or Chernobyl?"

I would have no problem with Iran having a Chernobyl incident.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Free Shipping for Atrocities, Monstrosities, and Barbarisms at the Outrage Outlet! at August 18, 2015 04:54 PM (hLRSq)

50 Just because the Dems are virulently against nuclear in the U.S. doesn't make them hypocrites by wanting it for Iran. Right?

Posted by: andycanuck at August 18, 2015 04:54 PM (4TTES)

51 Declare the existing war and Impeach em Jugears and Horseface for treason. Or talk shit and hope your not in whatever town gets the proxy firecracker.

Posted by: DaveA at August 18, 2015 04:54 PM (DL2i+)

52 Posted by: Soothsayer II, thirty-two-time Top Commenter at August 18, 2015 04:52 PM (DxVXo)

He's a crook (but that's nothing special....he's a senator), and I wonder whether he is being aggressively anti-nuke-deal because he has nothing to lose.

Posted by: Jewish LIV at August 18, 2015 04:54 PM (Zu3d9)

53 I came. I saw. I cuckered.

Posted by: Paolo at August 18, 2015 04:55 PM (E5UB0)

54 Out, damned sock!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 18, 2015 04:55 PM (Zu3d9)

55 So this is kabuki.

We was Willowed!
- US Congress

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 18, 2015 04:55 PM (ODxAs)

56 I guess Sen Menendez did not see our hip "Straight Outta Uranium" meme that we put togteher last week.

Posted by: Marie Harf at August 18, 2015 04:55 PM (OD2ni)

57 A few weeks ago I read that Iran gets to tour US nuclear facilities as part of the deal.

So... that's nice.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 18, 2015 04:52 PM (ODxAs)

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WTFF????

Posted by: Seems Legit at August 18, 2015 04:55 PM (Xa4vS)

58 He's a crook (but that's nothing special....he's a senator), and I wonder whether he is being aggressively anti-nuke-deal because he has nothing to lose.
Posted by: Jewish LIV at August 18, 2015 04:54 PM (Zu3d9)

Or he has a Jew lawyer and is seeking a discount?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 04:55 PM (DUoqb)

59
The chance of this not passing is so slim as to be laughable

Posted by: Skip at August 18, 2015 04:55 PM (6EYPb)

60 Can we all agree that there will be some fallout from this agreement?

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 18, 2015 04:55 PM (evdj2)

61 "....rather than bringing about doom through inaction."

You spelled 'boom' wrong.

Posted by: Israeli's at August 18, 2015 04:55 PM (7eQGn)

62 This speech was full of wishcasting of what they think Iran will do. There is nothing, NOTHING, that's manifested so far to make one think that Iran will abide with any of this. They've included so many conditions that completely control the inspection process, that it's almost a given that they'll stop nothing. They'll dismantle nothing. They'll go on enriching and building their bomb (if they haven't got it built already).

Dear Leader and John F'n Kerry are letting Iran have the bomb, and paying them (lifting sanctions) to do it.

Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2015 04:55 PM (P25Hh)

63 Posted by: Underage Dominican Hooker at August 18, 2015 04:54 PM

Over here, sweetie. You can hide from the bad politician in my cellar.

Posted by: Roman Polanski at August 18, 2015 04:55 PM (QiBX8)

64 Honestly I think the Obama administration would do less damage in foreign policy by simply sitting on their hands at home.

I can't remember where I saw it but someone pointed out very accurately this morning that for the Obama mindset (Hillary, Sanders, Warren, et al) there are no nations. They are transnationalist lefties who don't believe there is such a thing as national self interest or enemies. They all are one big happy world singing Kum Ba Ya.

So Iran gets nukes, well we have em too its all one world, after all. We have to stop being mean to our neighbors and they'll stop being hurt and upset at us.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2015 04:55 PM (39g3+)

65
obama did this because he's a terrorist -- obama did this to put Israel and the USA in jeopardy.

obama is an angry black college-campus commuinist...who happens to like golf.

Posted by: Soothsayer II, thirty-two-time Top Commenter at August 18, 2015 04:56 PM (DxVXo)

66
The hilarity ensues watching the demonrats taking bites out of each other.
If only any of it were actually meaningful.

Posted by: GBruno at August 18, 2015 04:56 PM (u49WF)

67 Doesn't matter. Obama wants his second Nobel.

Posted by: Buzzion at August 18, 2015 04:56 PM (z/Ubi)

68 PBHO tipped his hand in 2009 by supporting the regime in power and not helping the protesters.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at August 18, 2015 04:53 PM (u82oZ)

BINGO.. Let's not forget Val Jar was born in Iran. I am sure that has nothing to do with this. Nothing I tell you nothing.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 18, 2015 04:56 PM (0FSuD)

69 Ahhh fuck it.. Israel is gonna bomb those facilities anyway.. and then Bibi will dare O'Bumfucker to do anything about it.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at August 18, 2015 04:56 PM (so+oy)

70 Obama pantsed again.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 18, 2015 04:56 PM (evdj2)

71 Let's not forget Val Jar was born in Iran. I am sure that has nothing to do with this. Nothing I tell you nothing.
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 18, 2015 04:56 PM (0FSuD)

Ah come on stop that shit.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 04:57 PM (DUoqb)

72 95% of Jewish entertainer scientists approve the plan.
Also climate change.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 18, 2015 04:57 PM (W5DcG)

73 Why? The fuck supported Fredo's re-election and THAT is what insured this would be done. Fuck him and Hudson County

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 04:53 PM (DUoqb)

Because I want it written down, that when everything goes mushroom shaped this can be slapped in the face of everyone who said they had no warning.

Because I like it when the truth is stated in clear terms.

I fact - why the devil wouldn't I want the truth stated in clear terms?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Free Shipping for Atrocities, Monstrosities, and Barbarisms at the Outrage Outlet! at August 18, 2015 04:57 PM (hLRSq)

74 See we decided to let Obama take the blame for this because he has his ....something, something in another bill invoking clotures where we then something, something hang it around HIS neck in a brilliant , strategic move insuring (R) victories for all time.

#12dimensionalchess

Posted by: Uniparty Congress - Salivating Over That Sweet Iran Market at August 18, 2015 04:57 PM (HJqXj)

75 I figure if Obama sends over a couple of underage hookers, that Bob will be back on the reservation soon enough

Posted by: tu3031 at August 18, 2015 04:58 PM (YFFpo)

76 Obama pantsed again.

He wants a nuclear Iran.

He pantsed civilization.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 18, 2015 04:58 PM (oVJmc)

77
Whatever Menendez's crimes and faults, he's made the best case against obama's treasonous deal out of anyone in Congress.

Posted by: Soothsayer II, thirty-two-time Top Commenter at August 18, 2015 04:58 PM (DxVXo)

78 Obama pantsed again.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 18, 2015 04:56 PM

Pantsed? Hell no. He dropped trou and bent over for our enemies long ago.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 18, 2015 04:58 PM (QiBX8)

79 Ahhh fuck it.. Israel is gonna bomb those facilities anyway.. and then Bibi will dare O'Bumfucker to do anything about it.
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at August 18, 2015 04:56 PM (so+oy)

If Israel bombs Iran, and I they will have to, it will not be Netanyahu who does it. Does not have the balls

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 04:58 PM (DUoqb)

80 Heh, I need to quit drinking so much. I thought Menendez was the guy who ate his earwax and endoresed communism, but it was Garcia.

Menendez is the Dominican underage prostitute guy.

Can't we just deport them both?

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at August 18, 2015 04:58 PM (E5UB0)

81 69 Ahhh fuck it.. Israel is gonna bomb those facilities anyway.. and then Bibi will dare O'Bumfucker to do anything about it.
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at August 18, 2015 04:56 PM (so+oy

I think Bibi is all bluster.

Posted by: ` at August 18, 2015 04:58 PM (OLNwX)

82 Wasn't Menendez indicted after he refused to back off criticizing this deal? Pretty sure there is no theater here.

Posted by: Oh who cares at August 18, 2015 04:58 PM (8nJ78)

83 Nuclear power is evil and destroys the environment! Unless a bunch of goat fuckers in Tehran want it then it's a wonderful thing that they simply must have.

Posted by: Buzzion at August 18, 2015 04:58 PM (z/Ubi)

84 Iran needs to be encouraged to leave uranium enrichment behind.

Plan A is to document the rulers corruption, and pass it along to the Iranian people. Let them do the heavy lifting. It is similar to what Khomeini did to the Shah. Seduce them with the empty calories of Western culture. And tell them about plan B.

Plan B is explicitly a war plan.

A country without electrical power is not a threat. So send a demarche with a date, not too far out.

If our demands are not met, shut down the electrical grid. We have the weaponry available for cruise missiles. Take out all major generators. With appropriate and available sensors, map all the portable generators. Take them out.

Retaliation on the US or Israel would be unwise, We might get really upset with them. We could do more to increase their pain. Our air and naval assets could be staged for this.

Remind them that when the US was mad at the end of WWII, we dropped every atomic weapon we had, and it was only 3 percent of the damage we did to Japanese cities.

And one thing above all, pledge that the US will absolutely not rebuild their country. Iran is on its own.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at August 18, 2015 04:58 PM (u82oZ)

85 "But I suppose we should make our voices heard, rather than bringing about doom through inaction."

Trump speaks for me.

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at August 18, 2015 04:58 PM (7eQGn)

86 Menendez, can't I just eat my falafel?

Posted by: It's KING Scoamf to you at August 18, 2015 04:59 PM (pMGkg)

87 Menendez? He's a dead man. Schumer? Dead.

Posted by: Prez'nit Shit Midas at August 18, 2015 04:59 PM (8ZskC)

88 A few weeks ago I read that Iran gets to tour US nuclear facilities as part of the deal

AND we will help in the defense of Iran's sites.

Posted by: wrg500 at August 18, 2015 04:59 PM (sWgE+)

89

The left thinks this deals stop Iran from getting a Nuke. That is what they think. Absolutely brain dead.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 18, 2015 04:59 PM (qCMvj)

90 Hispanic Senator doing the job American Senators won't do!

Posted by: @votermom at August 18, 2015 04:59 PM (cbfNE)

91 Is there a Vegas betting line who gets nuked 1st.

Tel Aviv, Riyadh or DC?

Posted by: DaveA at August 18, 2015 04:59 PM (DL2i+)

92 Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 04:55 PM (DUoqb)

Abbe Lowell.....yup....he's a Yid!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 18, 2015 05:00 PM (Zu3d9)

93 Obama's Secret Diplomatic Move?

The Traitorous Corker

Posted by: naturalfake at August 18, 2015 05:00 PM (0cMkb)

94 It just bugs the shit out of me that all but two Republican Senators voted in favor of this pos.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 18, 2015 05:00 PM (evdj2)

95 Ah come on stop that shit.
Yeah, or you'll lose your Muslim Brotherhood card!

Posted by: andycanuck at August 18, 2015 05:00 PM (4TTES)

96 @84 How's the weather there on Fantasy Island?

Posted by: pep at August 18, 2015 05:00 PM (LAe3v)

97
This is a deal because Prezzy McScrewstick wanted a deal. There was never any intention to not get a deal or walk away.

Plus he has some special affinity with the muzzie version practiced by Iran and the muzzie brotherhood.

He also hates Israel. And you.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 18, 2015 05:00 PM (ODxAs)

98 For all of you favorably impressed with Melendez, I get your points, but you all must not live in NJ

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 05:00 PM (DUoqb)

99 Considering the personalities involved, at this point I am just feeling lucky that we didn't ship Iran a couple dozen ready-to-use Minuteman IIIs topped with W78/Mk12A warheads.

The requirement that we do so is probably in one of the sooper-seekret codicils to the agreement.

Posted by: Sharkman at August 18, 2015 05:01 PM (72D6h)

100 74 See we decided to let Obama take the blame for this because he has his ....something, something in another bill invoking clotures where we then something, something hang it around HIS neck in a brilliant , strategic move insuring (R) victories for all time.

#12dimensionalchess
Posted by: Uniparty Congress - Salivating Over That Sweet Iran Market at August 18, 2015 04:57 PM (HJqXj)

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So effing true.

Posted by: Seems Legit at August 18, 2015 05:01 PM (Xa4vS)

101
The Left doesnt believe that, at all, 'ette.

The Left knows exactly what this rotten deal is about.

Posted by: Soothsayer II, thirty-two-time Top Commenter at August 18, 2015 05:01 PM (DxVXo)

102 Straight outta Tehran, crazy motherfucker named Zarif.....

Posted by: Sleazy-E at August 18, 2015 05:02 PM (kQfqk)

103 You guys are missing the point of the Iran deal--to kill shale oil production in the US. The US can be energy independent and a net exporter, which takes Islamic purchasing of US politicians off the board. Our betters depend on that sweet ME oil money.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at August 18, 2015 05:02 PM (kXoT0)

104 What do we get? We get an alarm bell should they decide to violate their commitments, and a system for inspections to verify their compliance. That, in my view, is a far cry from 'dismantling.'

BULL. SHIT.

There is no "system for inspections" except to the extent that Iran agrees to allow inspectors in.

This "agreement" is the biggest sell-out since Czechoslovakia got raped by Hitler and Chamberlain held his beer.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 18, 2015 05:02 PM (8ZskC)

105 They'll probably allow one or both CA senators to have "reservations" about it. It's all show. The deal is done, it will pass, Iran will have nukes.

End of story.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 18, 2015 05:02 PM (0LHZx)

106 96 Capacities, not intent. As I said before, we would need a different president.

We may need this plan in the unlikely event Iran helps the US of A by decapitating the NCA.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at August 18, 2015 05:02 PM (u82oZ)

107 >>obama did this to put Israel and the USA in jeopardy.

I imagine that, while he was in College, a Jewish Pot Dealer once refused to let Obama suck his cock for product.

Posted by: Garrett at August 18, 2015 05:03 PM (20j+0)

108 98 For all of you favorably impressed with Melendez, I get your points, but you all must not live in NJ
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 05:00 PM (DUoqb

Nope.
Some of us are blessed to have other stupid fuckwad senators. I'm looking at you Tammy Baldwin.

Posted by: ` at August 18, 2015 05:03 PM (OLNwX)

109 Plus, we are a smart military blog.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at August 18, 2015 05:03 PM (u82oZ)

110 >>69 Ahhh fuck it.. Israel is gonna bomb those facilities anyway.. and then Bibi will dare O'Bumfucker to do anything about it.
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama

>If Israel bombs Iran, and I they will have to, it will not be Netanyahu who does it. Does not have the balls

Posted by: Nevergiveup

I think Bibi is all bluster.

Posted by: ` at August 18, 2015 04:58 PM (OLNwX)

'Never again' must mean something different in Hebrew than it does in English.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 18, 2015 05:03 PM (ZCFje)

111
If I've tried to teach you all one thing, it's that the biggest blunder you can make is believing the Left has good intentions and believes their own bull. They don't.

Posted by: Soothsayer II, thirty-two-time Top Commenter at August 18, 2015 05:03 PM (DxVXo)

112 107 >>obama did this to put Israel and the USA in jeopardy.

I imagine that, while he was in College, a Jewish Pot Dealer once refused to let Obama suck his cock for product.
Posted by: Garrett at August 18, 2015 05:03 PM (20j+0)

It's early, but I nominate for Thread Winnah

Posted by: ` at August 18, 2015 05:03 PM (OLNwX)

113 81
69 Ahhh fuck it.. Israel is gonna bomb those facilities anyway.. and then Bibi will dare O'Bumfucker to do anything about it.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at August 18, 2015 04:56 PM (so+oy

I think Bibi is all bluster.

Posted by: ` at August 18, 2015 04:58 PM (OLNwX)[ /i]
Yeah those Jooooos never follow through on defending Israel.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 18, 2015 05:03 PM (HJqXj)

114 At this point, its inevitable barring carpet bombing Iran with MIRVs, that they will get or already have a nuke. So it becomes what do we do, and how do we react?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2015 05:03 PM (39g3+)

115
Menendez just wants to be able to sleep in his prison cell with a remotely clear conscience after the "event" happens.
You know...that thing that happens to Jews when crazy people get control of . . . oh never mind.

He doesn't really care.

Posted by: GBruno at August 18, 2015 05:03 PM (u49WF)

116 The final vote will be oh so close. Oh so close.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 18, 2015 04:48 PM (x5WT1)

Their contempt for us must be immense. They're barely hiding it anymore.

Posted by: troyriser at August 18, 2015 05:04 PM (CAJL/)

117 Ah come on stop that shit.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 04:57 PM (DUoqb)

Don't know if that was snarc or not. If not read Andrew Stiles story on his adventures in Iran on a NY Slime trip, it's long as hell.
The Iranians made a point to take everyone to Val Jar's birth place.

http://tinyurl.com/pmgwl5t

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 18, 2015 05:04 PM (0FSuD)

118 stupid sock off

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 18, 2015 05:04 PM (OLNwX)

119 Occasionally, Menendez will say and do something correct. During the town hall I went to last week my Rep said Menendez was against the deal and would probably be coming out with a statement.

What can the Obama administration use to hammer him now?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 18, 2015 05:04 PM (OSs/l)

120 Can Israel bomb the sites? Aren't they way the fuck underground, specifically so they can't be bombed?

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 18, 2015 05:04 PM (0LHZx)

121 Nope.

Some of us are blessed to have other stupid fuckwad senators. I'm looking at you Tammy Baldwin.

Posted by: ` at August 18, 2015 05:03 PM (OLNwX)

Please.

Posted by: Voters of WA State at August 18, 2015 05:05 PM (Vf5rR)

122 "So, what's it gonna take for me to buy this new car today?"

Posted by: John Kerry at August 18, 2015 05:05 PM (JgC5a)

123 Of course,. Democrat loyalist weenie Cory Booker hasn't said how he'll vote.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 18, 2015 05:05 PM (OSs/l)

124 Trump !!!

( everything else is depressing )

Posted by: Bill Dill at August 18, 2015 05:05 PM (8CdUx)

125 Oh and once again thank you Sen. Bob Corker for making all this possible.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 18, 2015 05:05 PM (0LHZx)

126 For all of you favorably impressed with Melendez, I get your points, but you all must not live in NJ

Politics makes strange bedfellows, jes?

Posted by: Paolo at August 18, 2015 05:06 PM (ODxAs)

127 Their contempt for us must be immense. They're barely hiding it anymore.

Posted by: troyriser

I've seen zero evidence of any effort to hide their contempt.

Posted by: pep at August 18, 2015 05:06 PM (LAe3v)

128 125 Oh and once again thank you Sen. Bob Corker for making all this possible.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 18, 2015 05:05 PM (0LHZx)

All of the Republican Senators except Tom Cotton

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 18, 2015 05:06 PM (OLNwX)

129 120 HUCK / AKIN 2016

That is why you go after power generation. Centrifuges and nuke production take a lot of electricity.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at August 18, 2015 05:07 PM (u82oZ)

130 It's so fucked up too how just last week the left was all "it's horrible that the US had to use nukes on Japan". But Iran getting nukes, meh, it's cool bro, nothing to worry about.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 18, 2015 05:07 PM (0LHZx)

131 Gosh, why can't a someone without all the sleazy baggage deliver a public speech -or at least a floor speech- like this one?

Menendez is a serial creep and scumbag yet he's one of the few democrats who dare oppose King Obama?

I feel dirty for liking this.

Posted by: 13times at August 18, 2015 05:07 PM (WHVu+)

132 Israel CAN bomb the sites but I'm confident they are deep in super duper protected bunkers and even our best weapons can only do so much against that. Plus, the deal says we'll protect Iran from ~~the filthy Joo~~ New York Money Men attacking Iran.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2015 05:07 PM (39g3+)

133 Their contempt for us must be immense. They're barely hiding it anymore.

It's well-earned. That shitstain got elected, then re-elected.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 18, 2015 05:07 PM (8ZskC)

134 I know is Iran nuclear thing has been going on for a while, but when did we start allowing them to import yellowcake? I ask because it seems to me that that point is when we gave up on Iran getting the bomb, not a month or year ago.

Posted by: bergerbilder at August 18, 2015 05:08 PM (+jijM)

135 Tammy Baldwin.

That's woman's comments are just terrible. She's probably endorses throwing church officials in jail who won't perform gay marriage.s Menendez is bad. I don't think even he would go that far.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 18, 2015 05:08 PM (OSs/l)

136 134 I know is Iran nuclear thing has been going on for a while, but when did we start allowing them to import yellowcake? I ask because it seems to me that that point is when we gave up on Iran getting the bomb, not a month or year ago.
Posted by: bergerbilder at August 18, 2015 05:08 PM (+jijM)

__________

I'm guessing sometime on or shortly after Jan 20, 2009.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 18, 2015 05:09 PM (0LHZx)

137 So where's our other NE Jooish commentator Mr. Sefton?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 18, 2015 05:10 PM (OLNwX)

138 Posted by: ` at August 18, 2015 05:03 PM (OLNwX)

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 13, 2015 04:09 PM (OLNwX)

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 18, 2015 05:10 PM (ZCFje)

139 120
Can Israel bomb the sites? Aren't they way the fuck underground, specifically so they can't be bombed?

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 18, 2015 05:04 PM (0LHZx)

Without our new bunker busters, they can not do shit.
Think Cheyenne Mt in CO.

Iran has built it's latest enrichment plant in a mountain , while we watched them.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 18, 2015 05:11 PM (0FSuD)

140 Yawn...What's Caitlyn up to today?

Posted by: Kardashian generation at August 18, 2015 05:11 PM (8YE33)

141 Say it with me now: "You are racist if you oppose this Iran deal."

See, wasn't that easy you racists, sinners of a racial order?

Posted by: RoyalOil at August 18, 2015 05:11 PM (ZvKdv)

142 Since 1988, Iran reportedly opened as many as 10 uranium mines, including the Saghand uranium mine in Yazd province, as well otherwise unspecified locations in Khorassan, Sistan va Baluchestan, and Hormozgan Provinces, and in Bandar-e-Abbas and Badar-e-Lengeh Provinces along the Gulf. The Director of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran (AEOI), Reza Amrollahi, announced in 1989 that the expected reserves of these deposts was in excess of 5,000 tons.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iran/mines.htm

Posted by: wrg500 at August 18, 2015 05:12 PM (sWgE+)

143 "Complete the sequence, Mr. President."

Posted by: Sonny Elliman at August 18, 2015 05:12 PM (GdFQh)

144 As much as I hate to not blame Fredo for Iran going Nuclear, the blame also lays on President Bush and those before him. They have been planning this for a long time. And most recently before Fredo, President Bush has the opportunity to do something before he left Office. But I "Assume" he was so worn down by the democratic opposition and the lack of support from his own Party that he passed. There is plenty of blame to go around. And that includes the Israeli Leadership which also backed off on bombing Iran more than once. The WEST will rue those failures and soon I fear

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 05:12 PM (DUoqb)

145 Does everyone think Bibi is all talk? I'm not so sure about that. I think a strike is closer than we think. Have a feeling it hinges on the election.

Posted by: Clarney at August 18, 2015 05:13 PM (FXwvy)

146 38 Those crafty, crafty jooooz made him say this.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel

Those crafty, crafty jooooz invented the bomb in the first place.

How do the Iranians justify to themselves that they are building a Joooo bomb?

Theoretical underpinning of the physics of how nuclear chain reactions could exist --> Einstein --> Joooo

Assembled and oversaw the engineering team and designed first atom bomb --> Oppenheimer --> Joooo

Inventer of key concept that fission reaction could ignite fusion reaction, i.e. inventor of thermonuclear bombs --> Edward Teller --> Joooo

Start to finish, the crafty crafty Joooos were fundamental to the invention of nukes. And that was 70 years ago.

Must be humiliating to be a Muslim at times.

Posted by: zombie at August 18, 2015 05:13 PM (jBuUi)

147 91 Is there a Vegas betting line who gets nuked 1st.

Tel Aviv, Riyadh or DC?

Posted by: DaveA at August 18, 2015 04:59 PM (DL2i+)
===========================

I am totally betting Riyadh. Any takers?

Posted by: MTF at August 18, 2015 05:13 PM (PxqU/)

148 As much as I hate to not blame Fredo for Iran going Nuclear, the blame also lays on President Bush and those before him.

I agree. Best time to stop them was Bush term 2 and he did zero. Absolutely zero.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2015 05:13 PM (39g3+)

149 Hold on a second. Jack Black and that heroin addict from American Pie, said the deal is great for America and the world. So I'm not worried.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 18, 2015 05:14 PM (0LHZx)

150 I am totally betting Riyadh. Any takers?

Posted by: MTF

That's where my money's at.

Posted by: wrg500 at August 18, 2015 05:14 PM (sWgE+)

151 Must be humiliating to be a Muslim at times.
--------------------

We're doing our best to make them feel better!

Posted by: NASA at August 18, 2015 05:14 PM (HstNY)

152
I am totally betting Riyadh. Any takers?
Posted by: MTF at August 18, 2015 05:13 PM (PxqU/)

Two-fer Tuesday Riyadh & Mecca. Adios House of Saud

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 18, 2015 05:14 PM (OLNwX)

153 "So this is kabuki.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 18, 2015 04:45 PM

You misspelled "bukkake."

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 18, 2015 04:52 PM"

Nothing I can add to this.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 18, 2015 05:14 PM (go6ud)

154 My most underrated band is Capn' Geech and the Shrimp Shack Shooters.

Posted by: Bob Melendez at August 18, 2015 05:15 PM (22uju)

155 69 Ahhh fuck it.. Israel is gonna bomb those facilities anyway.. and then Bibi will dare O'Bumfucker to do anything about it.
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at August 18, 2015 04:56 PM (so+oy)

They'd better hurry up:

Obama administration objects as Russia moves ahead with Iran missile sale

http://tinyurl.com/oj3zwtk

Posted by: Russkies at August 18, 2015 05:15 PM (nD+aQ)

156 You guys are missing the point of the Iran deal--to kill shale oil production in the US. The US can be energy independent and a net exporter, which takes Islamic purchasing of US politicians off the board. Our betters depend on that sweet ME oil money.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at August 18, 2015 05:02 PM (kXoT0)

------------------------------------------

Agree. There's a lot of money to be made by the American and European elites also. It's about money and Baraka's hatred of Western values and Israel. But the CoC types love their money. They're willing to do ANYTHING to get it.

Posted by: Soona at August 18, 2015 05:15 PM (P25Hh)

157 "So, what's it gonna take for me to buy this new car today?"

Posted by: John Kerry at August 18, 2015 05:05 PM (JgC5a)

You think you hate it now, just wait until you drive it!

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 18, 2015 05:15 PM (JO9+V)

158 I am totally betting Riyadh. Any takers?

I'm taking the longshot of Tehran.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 18, 2015 05:15 PM (evdj2)

159 Two-fer Tuesday Riyadh & Mecca. Adios House of Saud

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian

Not Mecca. Iran wants control of Mecca.

Posted by: wrg500 at August 18, 2015 05:15 PM (sWgE+)

160 149 Hold on a second. Jack Black and that heroin addict from American Pie, said the deal is great for America and the world. So I'm not worried.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016

Jack Black zigged when everyone else zagged. It'd be funny if he was a comedian.

Oh wait.

Posted by: zombie at August 18, 2015 05:15 PM (jBuUi)

161 How long before we start seeing nuclear suicide vests?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 18, 2015 05:15 PM (oVJmc)

162
Must be humiliating to be a Muslim at times.

Posted by: zombie at August 18, 2015 05:13 PM (jBuUi

Especially when you're caught fucking goats.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 18, 2015 05:15 PM (OLNwX)

163 A conversation that should have been had in 2003

Ayatollah: Hello

GWB: Hey, how's it going. Just a friendly reminder we have 500K soldiers lined up to fight Saddam. We all know the war will take like 3 minutes. And you know, while we have all these soliders in the neighborhood, we just might come check out Tehran. Unless you destroy your nuke facilities.

Ciao.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 18, 2015 05:16 PM (0LHZx)

164 Well, of course, people can shout "racist" about any darn thing they want, but Iranians are not a "race". Of course it won't stop the ones shouting it, however.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 18, 2015 05:16 PM (OSs/l)

165
>>Without our new bunker busters, they can not do shit.
Think Cheyenne Mt in CO.

There has to be an exhaust port.

Posted by: Garrett at August 18, 2015 05:17 PM (20j+0)

166 In order to distract us from our impending incineration at the hands of the lunatic Muzzie Iranian fucktards who will soon be nuking our cities, I give you this very creepy/fucked-up/awesome trailer for the movie Hellions.

http://tinyurl.com/hellions-trailer

Just in time for Halloween!

Posted by: Sharkman at August 18, 2015 05:17 PM (72D6h)

167 Fucking Logan Act Violators. This. is. a. Nuclear. Deal.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at August 18, 2015 05:17 PM (dANw2)

168 "Yeah those Jooooos never follow through on defending Israel.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 18, 2015 05:03 PM (HJqXj)"

I really wonder about that.

Why do they not round up the families of suicide bombers and deport their asses to Somalia? Why do they put up with the endless, endless bullshit of Hamas and the others without doing seriously painful things to the perpetrators? Why don't they respond to rockets from Gaza by cutting off the water and electricity and moving the border in every time the Gazan's get lucky by killing an Israeli. Why don't they make a desert and call it peace?

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at August 18, 2015 05:17 PM (QHgTq)

169 Ciao.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 18, 2015 05:16 PM (0LHZx

And that was the problem. Bush could barely speak English let alone some foreign language.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 18, 2015 05:18 PM (OLNwX)

170 "So this is kabuki.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 18, 2015 04:45 PM

You misspelled "bukkake."

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 18, 2015 04:52 PM"

Nothing I can add to this.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at August 18, 2015 05:14 PM (go6ud)

Oh I can. Step aside there pal.

Posted by: Peter North at August 18, 2015 05:18 PM (JO9+V)

171 And people wonder WHY I want to move from NOVA to Alaska.

Posted by: wrg500 at August 18, 2015 05:18 PM (sWgE+)

172 161
How long before we start seeing nuclear suicide vests?

You'll see "dirty bombs" before actual nukes.

Posted by: pep at August 18, 2015 05:18 PM (LAe3v)

173 By "drop", you mean release, right?

Posted by: Pastorius at August 18, 2015 05:19 PM (gMAUH)

174 Peter Beinart to explain why Americans opposing O'Fuckstick on the Iranian Nuclear Armaments Agreement are shortsighted racist hatemonger Neocons (Jews, in summary) in 5....4....3....

Posted by: MTF at August 18, 2015 05:19 PM (PxqU/)

175 165
>>Without our new bunker busters, they can not do shit.
Think Cheyenne Mt in CO.

There has to be an exhaust port.

Posted by: Garrett at August 18, 2015 05:17 PM (20j+0)

It's gotta have a tailpipe.

Posted by: Uhura at August 18, 2015 05:20 PM (9jRo6)

176 US Democratic Senators Jack Reed and Sheldon Whitehouse said on Tuesday they both backed the US-led international nuclear deal with Iran.

The two Rhode Island senators said in a statement the US Congress would be making a strategic mistake if it derailed the agreement.

I like Rhode Island, but it is still a worthless State and should not have the vote. It should just be a national park and school

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 05:20 PM (DUoqb)

177
Yikes, the shallow and confident error here is impressive.

Israel can do plenty. There are many different ways to disrupt or slow down a nuke militarization program. They've been doing several, for years.

Question is whether the Israelis conclude that the least worst/risky of their options will be to hit hard and in a way that brings about maxinternational idiocy. Only the estimates of their nuke intel guys and the guesswork of their other intel and foreign policy people as filtered through the experienced heads of a small group of leaders will decide it.

Oh, and it wasn't approved 98-1 (and it's not a treaty, and this is not a new issue/constitutional problem). The (key) UNSC-sponsored sanctions would disappear anyway, thanks to the uselessness of other world powers. And most of the US sanctions would time out, or be waived by executive notice as provided for in the orginial enabling legislation, or by lapsed/rescinded exec. orders. Only part of this menu is even subject to specific congressional vote in reaction. And all of those votes are subject to the usual issues: getting a vote on motion to proceed in the Senate (cloture/filibuster), and over-riding the inevitable veto.

The current political class and congress are largely beneath contempt, and the Iran debacle is unbelievably bad and dangerous, but we might as well keep our mechanics straight when mapping out the process.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 18, 2015 05:21 PM (QDnY+)

178
There has to be an exhaust port.

Posted by: Garrett at August 18, 2015 05:17 PM (20j+0)

It's ray shielded.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 18, 2015 05:21 PM (2Ojst)

179 Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 18, 2015 05:18 PM (OLNwX)

More liberal bs.

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 18, 2015 05:22 PM (cJswI)

180 Israel can take out the iranian nuclear program. The only questions is at what cost and with what methods, and by methods I mean all means necessary. Understood?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 05:22 PM (DUoqb)

181 All of the Republican Senators except Tom Cotton
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 18, 2015 05:06 PM (OLNwX)

Ahem, Senators Inhofe and Lankford...

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at August 18, 2015 05:22 PM (kXoT0)

182 164 Well, of course, people can shout "racist" about any darn thing they want, but Iranians are not a "race". Of course it won't stop the ones shouting it, however.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 18, 2015 05:16 PM (OSs/l)

_________

Hispanic isn't a race either. Doesn't stop anyone from saying you're racist if you don't want 50 million Mexicans living here.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 18, 2015 05:22 PM (0LHZx)

183 And that was the problem. Bush could barely speak English let alone some foreign language.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian

Stuxnet. Forgot that, didn't you.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...not Spartacus at August 18, 2015 05:24 PM (RFeQD)

184 Have any Republicans come out in favor of the deal?

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 18, 2015 05:24 PM (0LHZx)

185 >>>>It's gotta have a tailpipe.
Posted by: Uhura at August 18, 2015 05:20 PM (9jRo6)

Uhura's Tailpipe is my second favorite holo-deck program.

Posted by: Commander Riker at August 18, 2015 05:24 PM (20j+0)

186 If Iran uses a nuke at all, their first target will be fellow Muslims, based on history. They seem most concerned with religious purity and then other targets, after that. Muslim terrorists have killed more fellow Muslims than anyone else.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2015 05:24 PM (39g3+)

187 Would now be a bad time to mention that Rubio has announced that he is against repealing birthright citizenship?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 18, 2015 05:25 PM (VPLuQ)

188 184 Have any Republicans come out in favor of the deal?

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 18, 2015 05:24 PM (0LHZx)
============================

Jeb.

Posted by: MTF at August 18, 2015 05:25 PM (PxqU/)

189 If Iran uses a nuke at all, their first target will be fellow Muslims, based on history. They seem most concerned with religious purity and then other targets, after that. Muslim terrorists have killed more fellow Muslims than anyone else.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2015 05:24 PM (39g3+)

Well OK, there is a bright side, I'll give you that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 05:26 PM (DUoqb)

190 protip: never trust a regime led by someone who refers to himself as "Supreme Leader".

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at August 18, 2015 05:26 PM (E5UB0)

191 "Oh and once again thank you Sen. Bob Corker for making all this possible."

The dumb fuck probably feels vindicated by the Menendez defection.

Posted by: The Days of Big Immigration Are Over at August 18, 2015 05:26 PM (pq97T)

192 Jeb.
Posted by: MTF at August 18, 2015 05:25 PM (PxqU/)

No he hasn't. At least no where I have seen

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 05:26 PM (DUoqb)

193 There is entirely too much gloom and doom on the subject of Iranian nukes.

Look at the bright side. The most attractive targets for nuclear strikes are densely populated cities. All densely populated cities are full of Democrats. They voted for this shit and they will be the ones who will bear the brunt of the consequences.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at August 18, 2015 05:27 PM (QHgTq)

194 I agree. Best time to stop them was Bush term 2 and he did zero. Absolutely zero.
............
Bah.. Bush was a broken man at the end of his Presidency... He came out of those meetings on how the economy was crashing looking like a stunned man.

The last thing on his mind was Iran's nuclear efforts.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at August 18, 2015 05:27 PM (so+oy)

195 "Hispanic isn't a race either. Doesn't stop anyone from saying you're racist if you don't want 50 million Mexicans living here."

So if I don't want hispanic Muslims coming here illegally, I'm a double racist?

Is that how that works?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 18, 2015 05:27 PM (VPLuQ)

196 164 Well, of course, people can shout "racist" about any darn thing they want, but Iranians are not a "race". Of course it won't stop the ones shouting it, however.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 18, 2015 05:16 PM (OSs/l)

Islam is a race according to the Left, as any criticism of Islam is "racist". Also helps them jump through the logic hoops when they tell us that religion is homophobic and must be eliminated

Posted by: kbdabear at August 18, 2015 05:28 PM (csH1n)

197 President Bush has the opportunity to do something before he left Office.

Sometimes our "Intelligence Community" is a bunch of real fcuking genii-uses.

Posted by: DaveA at August 18, 2015 05:30 PM (DL2i+)

198 Bush was a broken man at the end of his Presidency...

Yeah I think he was a pretty naive guy about politics, his enemies, and the American people as well as the press. When he found out how hateful and horrible they were I think it really hurt him deeply. Still, he had a job to do. And he dropped that ball, badly.

And I don't have a problem with 50 million hispanics coming to the USA. As long as they come here legally and are productive, useful members of society.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2015 05:30 PM (39g3+)

199 More liberal bs.
Posted by: Cruzinator at August 18, 2015 05:22 PM (cJswI)

Ha ha, little short on the sarcasm stick today.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 18, 2015 05:31 PM (OLNwX)

200 Wake me up when the Senate has a veto override majority. Until then, this is all B.S.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 18, 2015 05:31 PM (5buP8)

201 If Iran uses a nuke at all, their first target will
be fellow Muslims, based on history. They seem most concerned with
religious purity and then other targets, after that. Muslim terrorists
have killed more fellow Muslims than anyone else.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2015 05:24 PM (39g3+)

Well OK, there is a bright side, I'll give you that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 05:26 PM (DUoqb)

Persian Dawn will be bright indeed. Like the sun!

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 18, 2015 05:31 PM (JO9+V)

202 So if I don't want hispanic Muslims coming here illegally, I'm a double racist?

Is that how that works?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 18, 2015 05:27 PM (VPLuQ)

No, despite Libtard assertions to the contrary Muslim is not a race, it's a religion. BUT, it is the one religion that if you hate it, you are a bigot. Hate Christians/Jews/Buddhists/Hindus/Scientolgists/Etc, that's cool, but, hate a Muslim and you are a H8TR!!!

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at August 18, 2015 05:31 PM (kXoT0)

203 I just googled "iran population double news" to refresh my memory for this post, their rulers want to double the population and are restricting access to birth control. It is obvious, they are preparing for war, they dream of the Persian Empire, they want cannon fodder and nuclear weapons, the Middle East will be theirs, Israel, Mecca are in their sights. There is no one future to predict, only a multitude of possible and unpredictable futures, but sometimes it's clear which way some of our fellow humanoids want to take us.

Posted by: yoptvoimat at August 18, 2015 05:31 PM (Q4sxC)

204 I am totally betting Riyadh. Any takers?

My favorite is donkey-cart to the oil-fields ala Michael Ironsides in Heavy Metal 2000.

Posted by: DaveA at August 18, 2015 05:32 PM (DL2i+)

205 Especially when you're caught fucking goats.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 18, 2015 05:15 PM (OLNwX)

We no fvck goats, goats fvck us after we pray for them.

Posted by: Mohamed, the goat fucker at August 18, 2015 05:32 PM (0FSuD)

206 We have mentioned the NOOD, yes?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 18, 2015 05:33 PM (VPLuQ)

207 Bush term 2 and he did zero. Absolutely zero.

Plenty enough to push towards the 2009 almost. Getting concern-trolled by the CIA didn't help.

Posted by: DaveA at August 18, 2015 05:33 PM (DL2i+)

208 We the American people were browbeaten into accepting and celebrating the Frabrous Joy of Same Sex Marriage on pain of losing friends, family, employment, business licenses, education, etc for opposing it.

Those lovable ISIS rascals play throw the gay men off the top of tall buildings and what happens---crickets, Bueller, crickets, more crickets.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at August 18, 2015 05:36 PM (kXoT0)

209 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 18, 2015 05:30 PM (39g3+)

You seriously think he could have unilaterally started an overt war with Iran? It's not like we did not have covert actions to disrupt Iran. Iraq was just starting to stabilize when Bush was leaving office. Sometimes history starts today for people other than just the Left.

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 18, 2015 05:36 PM (cJswI)

210 Islam is a race according to the Left, as any criticism of Islam is "racist". Also helps them jump through the logic hoops when they tell us that religion is homophobic and must be eliminated
Posted by: kbdabear at August 18, 2015 05:28 PM (csH1n)

And deal with the cognitive dissonance, I suppose, of giving hanging/stoning/crushing/defenestrating gays a pass but having white-hot outrage ZOMG THAT BAKER WON'T MAKE A GAY WEDDING CAKE ELEVENTY!!!1!!!111!!

Posted by: Insomniac at August 18, 2015 05:36 PM (2Ojst)

211 Assuming it takes Iran about 18 months to retool in new facilities, Nuclear War will break out around 2019. That will give the democrats enough time to come up with a strategy to frame the event as the end point in a long history of Republican war mongering. Then they can run as the peace party.
Also by then, ValJar will be one of the richest women in the world.

Posted by: Daybrother ---Now 40% less snark at August 18, 2015 05:37 PM (D/+I2)

212 199 More liberal bs.
Posted by: Cruzinator at August 18, 2015 05:22 PM (cJswI)

Ha ha, little short on the sarcasm stick today.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 18, 2015 05:31 PM (OLNwX)

Sorry about that but I've seen the same statement here multiple times where it wasn't meant as sarcasm.

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 18, 2015 05:39 PM (cJswI)

213 192 No he hasn't. At least no where I have seen

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 05:26 PM (DUoqb)
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Oops. My mistake. I thought he had but, checking, see he says he is against it.

Posted by: MTF at August 18, 2015 05:41 PM (PxqU/)

214 In re: Bush. After the 2007 NIE, I think he was checkmated by the Dems and unable to do anything about Iran.

Compounding that was the totally fake Valerie Plame and her second rate husband controversy, demonstrating how little credibility the Bush administration had on Iran.

Posted by: MTF at August 18, 2015 05:43 PM (PxqU/)

215 the bad guys always go atomic in a dem administration

Posted by: X at August 18, 2015 05:46 PM (xGNLA)

216 192 No he hasn't. At least no where I have seen

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 18, 2015 05:26 PM (DUoqb)
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Here is where I got the Bush story from (happy I found it) and, in his usual squishy talk, he looks like he was saying he wouldn't do anything about the Iran deal.

Subsequently, he seems to have fallen in line and says he would roll it back. Personally I don't believe him. I think he's lying, and is merely doing a Corker here but you can read this and make up your own mind.

http://politi.co/1hmIeV2

Posted by: MTF at August 18, 2015 05:49 PM (PxqU/)

217 IIRC Merkel stopped and shutdown all of Germany's nuclear power plants. A nuke plant exploding in a third world shit hole like Iran is going to fuck over Germany.

Leftists just make no sense at all. To them if you squint right 1+1 = POTATO.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at August 18, 2015 06:09 PM (f+6Pd)

218
Just remember it was the "Corker-Menendez" bill that got Sen. Menendez into his predicament.

No pity. Rot in hell.

Posted by: GBruno at August 18, 2015 06:34 PM (u49WF)

219 I'm almost starting to like Menendez.Nah,not really.

Posted by: steevy at August 18, 2015 07:12 PM (sPO3u)

220 Why does Iran -- which has the world's fourth largest proven oil reserves, with 157 billion barrels of crude oil and the world's second largest proven natural gas reserves with 1,193 trillion cubic feet of natural gas -- need nuclear power for domestic energy?

In Obama's world oil and natural gas cause Global Warming.

Posted by: alan stern at August 18, 2015 07:37 PM (cXdIB)

221 103 ma am in all seriousness my head just exploded. I see you must be correct. I did not see this before. I never considered their duplicity to be bad enough to destroy the world. I see it now.

Posted by: simplemind at August 18, 2015 08:07 PM (BTnAK)

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