Trump's Huge, Fabulous Immigration Reform Principles

Let two things be known:

1. It is not possible to get further to the restrictionist side of things than Trump. He has staked out his ground there, and he is alone there. No one else has called for such sweeping -- some would say "punitive," Democrats will undoubtedly say "racist" -- policies to end illegal immigration.

2. Even if you assume Trump is a Bullshit King, which I do myself, you have to concede at least that even if Trump delivered half of what's here, it would be a major Overton-Window-shifting move. I suppose it's theoretically possible that he could just be lying about everything, but assuming he's not lying about everything, then this is pretty much the ne plus ultra of immigration reform outlines.

He tosses this in there:

End birthright citizenship. This remains the biggest magnet for illegal immigration. By a 2:1 margin, voters say it’s the wrong policy, including Harry Reid who said "no sane country" would give automatic citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants.

He also wants to reform the H-1B process, so that the work visas are not used (as they are often alleged to be used) to recruit cheaper younger foreign tech workers to replace older more expensive American ones.

Now, if you care what I think about it:

I don't think anything about it. I am collecting information.

I would say there is something very useful in this document, however. It is the belief of many that this sort of plan would appeal to a "Silent Majority" of people who are fed up with illegal immigration (and the government's connivances regarding it) but who are cowed into expressing this opinion.

It is the belief of many other people that such a "harsh," "extreme" plan will be offensive to the majority of the country and hence will be a complete non-starter, or, indeed, a turn-off for the casual suburban business-owning Republican or Republican-leaning voter, and hence a disaster for the party.

I, like most people, like having evidence rather than beliefs and arguments about those beliefs.

This document will either cause the Preference Cascade in favor of Trump... or against him. (Or, perhaps, a bad split, in which it causes a Preference Cascade for him within the party, but a cascade against him without it.)

Either way, I expect it to be clarifying, and to bring new facts to the table.

And that's good, because personally I'm tired of hearing all the yelling.

I've noted a hundred times that for some reason people are especially emotional about their mere guesses and prognostications of how the world works -- I have seen more emotional arguments about, say, "It is my guess that Romney is the candidate the public will like the most" than about hot-buttons like creationism or homosexuality or vaccinations.

For some reason I don't really understand, people take a huge, egotistical pride of ownership in their wild-ass guesses about future events, and will attack with a lot of emotion anyone who contradicts their claims to be able to divine the future.

One additional useful thing Trump has done is get this out early in the process, rather than late, so we can find out which way this thing is heading.

I really don't know either way. That's not just me being politic. I know how to evaluate a candidate like Rubio or even Cruz.

But Trump is a definite X Factor, a big bag of unknowns. How does his brass, crude style play? Can he actually attract so-called Reagan Democrats? Do they like his dockworker-sort of sense of combativeness?

Or, on the other hand: Does this sort of loud, yelly, attention-getting nonsense alienate what someone said in private conversation was the "true heart of the party," the suburban middle-class family-raising sort of person who is in favor of, more than anything, stability and gradualism, because political lurches look especially frightening to someone with a seven year old daughter and a college savings account?

I don't know these things and I won't pretend I do.

I'm curious.

I think it would just be psychologically healthy to know these things for facts, so that people don't just keep screaming their premonitions of the future at each other.

Scott Walker: I Will End Birthright Citizenship.

Walker tells me he would end birthright citizenship. Wouldn't directly answer q about deporting undocumented kids - said, focus on E Verify
— Kasie Hunt (@kasie) August 17, 2015

Posted by: Ace at 12:05 PM

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1 HUuuuuge! Well, it's gonna be spectacular really. World-class, you'll see...

Posted by: BunkerInTheBurbs at August 17, 2015 12:03 PM (WDySP)

2 Twofer first?

Posted by: Blano at August 17, 2015 12:03 PM (w1ewr)

3 Just so they don't let the Italicans in, I'm cool.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at August 17, 2015 12:03 PM (l3vZN)

4 Dang!! Almost.

Anyways, BCochran if you read this, read your post about RedState. Great read, nice going.

Posted by: Blano at August 17, 2015 12:04 PM (w1ewr)

5 And no Methodist

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at August 17, 2015 12:04 PM (R8hU8)

6 Bring Forth the Interesting Italics.

Posted by: Garrett at August 17, 2015 12:05 PM (ke8fr)

7 They've already let the Italicans in!

Posted by: andycanuck at August 17, 2015 12:05 PM (4TTES)

8 <

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at August 17, 2015 12:06 PM (R8hU8)

9
Jeff Sessions wrote a pretty good immigration plan for him.

The concern of course, not that someone should have good advisers, but that he doesn't do it from some core principle. He is wave rider.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 17, 2015 12:06 PM (ODxAs)

10 Oh no......

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 17, 2015 12:06 PM (LA7Cm)

11 Damn italicans

Posted by: chemjeff at August 17, 2015 12:06 PM (2XMpf)

12 I understand Obama once visited Rome and apologized for not being able to speak Italican.

Posted by: mallfly at August 17, 2015 12:06 PM (qSIlh)

13 I've developed of asking friends/internet acquaintances:

What field of human endeavor lies beyond your ability to master given five minutes with Google?
_

There's a correlative relationship between 'number of fields' and that person's 'general intelligence'

Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 17, 2015 12:06 PM (0MJOU)

14 IT"S GOT ITALIC ELCTROLYTES

Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 17, 2015 12:06 PM (wtvvX)

15 I'm not a fan of Trump, but I like some of the things he says. I don't believe the polls that say amnesty is the only way to reform immigration so we might as well bend over and spread 'em.

Posted by: huerfano at August 17, 2015 12:07 PM (bynk/)

16 This document will either cause the Preference Cascade in favor of Trump... or against him. (Or, perhaps, a bad split, in which it causes a Preference Cascade for him within the party, but a cascade against him without it.)

I would expect the opposite; a cascade against within the party and a boost among the unaffiliated.

Posted by: Grump928(c) mutters at August 17, 2015 12:07 PM (evdj2)

17 Will Trump do something about all these damn italicans?

Posted by: Insomniac at August 17, 2015 12:07 PM (2Ojst)

18 Trump 2014. Romney's self-deport plan was mean and extreme.

Trump 2015. I'm going to deport EVERYONE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74BzSTQCl_c

Posted by: JackStraw at August 17, 2015 12:07 PM (OGm46)

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 17, 2015 12:08 PM (Zu3d9)

20 Old hotness: Tea Party

New Hotness: The Italics PArty

Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 17, 2015 12:08 PM (wtvvX)

21 And BTW there is nothing "extreme" about ending birthright citizenship. The US and Canada are the only two advanced nations so far that have unlimited unrestricted birthright citizenship. And it wouldn't require a Constitutional amendment either, only an act of Congress telling the courts what they really mean by the 14th amendment.

No reason not to do it.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 17, 2015 12:08 PM (2XMpf)

22 Word salad with Italican dressing!

Posted by: some random meathead at August 17, 2015 12:08 PM (HJqXj)

23 ...to recruit cheaper younger foreign tech workers to replace older more expensive American ones.

YEP! I lost a job between the X-mass and New Year's Break back in "96", cuz they could hire two of them for what I cost.

Posted by: Paladin at August 17, 2015 12:08 PM (4kpbt)

24 Not a dagoes by that..

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 17, 2015 12:08 PM (Ar4XM)

25 Yes, we need only professional career politicians for elected office! We can see the results in our everyday life and in the news!

Posted by: Dogbert at August 17, 2015 12:09 PM (qjku1)

26 Yes, it will be fun and informative to see the reaction to this.

Also, Fiorina is pretty tough on immigration, too, and it dates back to her Senate run:

http://neoneocon.com/2015/08/15/fiorina-sounds-tough-on-immigration/

Posted by: Lizzy at August 17, 2015 12:09 PM (NOIQH)

27 It is the belief of many other people that such a "harsh," "extreme" plan will be offensive to the majority of the country and hence will be a complete non-starter, or, indeed, a turn-off for the casual suburban business-owning Republican or Republican-leaning voter, and hence a disaster for the party.

Feh. This is the logic that gave us "electable" candidates like John McCain and Mitt Romney.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 17, 2015 12:09 PM (8ZskC)

28

What difference, at this point, does it make?1//1!?!?!?1!11//1?

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at August 17, 2015 12:09 PM (HSmrB)

29 Half my team here at work is out for classes this week. I may have to actually work. Gah.

Posted by: Grump928(c) mutters at August 17, 2015 12:09 PM (evdj2)

30 Yaa... just kidding!
Now you're all yuugely f'd.

Posted by: The Trumpster Oct 2016 at August 17, 2015 12:09 PM (k8tEg)

31 It's much easier to trade from the extreme than the middle. Something Pubbies should consider.

Posted by: Hank, Your Friend in Congress at August 17, 2015 12:09 PM (oDCMR)

32
Trump 2014. Romney's self-deport plan was mean and extreme.

Trump 2015. I'm going to deport EVERYONE!

Yeah , he needs to explain this.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 17, 2015 12:09 PM (HJqXj)

33 I sound my barbaric wop over the roofs of the world!

Posted by: Insomniac at August 17, 2015 12:09 PM (2Ojst)

34 There is only one candidate talking in a manner we can all understand.

And it's not the so-called serious candidates.

Trumps going after Reagan Democrats.

And I believe he can win PA with this sort of rhetoric.

Hazelton PA like a lot of small hamlets across this country has gone from 5pct to 35pct Hispanic in ten years.

This has YUGE implications for native Americans and will resonate across parties.

Trump is going to the mattresses and a great many people will be there with him.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 17, 2015 12:09 PM (mysAS)

35 I still think the best way to handle birthright citizenship is to treat minors as being under the control of parents. That way you deport them and their parents regardless of citizenship (its cruel to separate them from parents, etc). Then when they reach the age of majority, they, and just they may choose to come to the US and live as citizens if they want to.

That way you don't have to change any existing law or fight courts to do it, you just work with the way things are now.

Because the president of the US is not king of congress. He can't mind control the legislature to pass laws and force them to vote.

All I ask is that presidential candidates run on what they would do as president not as someone who controls congress like puppets.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2015 12:10 PM (39g3+)

36 Catapult them back across the Rio Grande.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 17, 2015 12:10 PM (Ar4XM)

37 Mrs VIA saw this in the news last night.

And very uncharacteristic of her, her chosen response was 'Trump's really smacking' the shit out of that hornet's nest, isn't he?"

She seems to have picked up a few new phrases at the NoVaMoMe.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 17, 2015 12:11 PM (VPLuQ)

38 LOL the words are all leaned over.

Posted by: bour3 at August 17, 2015 12:12 PM (5x3+2)

39 >>Trump 2014. Romney's self-deport plan was mean and extreme.

>>Trump 2015. I'm going to deport EVERYONE!

Aaaaand has anything happened between 2012 and now that might have changed Trump's mind?
Say, open borders summer 2014, secret amnesty, DHS not deporting, sanctuary cities being directly linked to criminal alien murders, etc.?

The inconsistency is noteworthy, but so is what Obama has done to facilitate out of control immigration over the past few years.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 17, 2015 12:12 PM (NOIQH)

40 How do you get to this guy, dammit?! Somebody help us out here.

Posted by: K Street and CoC at August 17, 2015 12:12 PM (SCcgT)

41

Rush just mirrored your point, Ace!

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 12:12 PM (l2dSQ)

42 Trump's bringing up issues and expressing opinions that are 'beyond the pale' -- ace's 'Overton Window'.

What Trump is not doing is going Full Perot with charts and pie graphs or John Anderson with ... eyeglasses.

Trump is a Saturn V rocket ... he's carrying the payload but he won't make it into orbit.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 17, 2015 12:12 PM (0MJOU)

43 Catapult them back across the Rio Grande.

WTF???

Posted by: A Canadian Who Overstayed His Visa at August 17, 2015 12:12 PM (8ZskC)

44 I am a firm believer that Illegal Immigrant families should be re-united.

No one should be forced to live separated from their loved ones.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 17, 2015 12:12 PM (VPLuQ)

45 "It is the belief of many other people that such a "harsh," "extreme" plan will be offensive to the majority of the country..."

And that belief would be wrong. It's called conventional wisdom. Trump is flouting it, and that's why he's succeeding. This plan and the timing of it is effective politics of the highest order.

Posted by: rrpjr at August 17, 2015 12:12 PM (s/yC1)

46 >>>Trump 2014. Romney's self-deport plan was mean and extreme.

Trump 2015. I'm going to deport EVERYONE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74BzSTQCl_c

...

very fair point, but I occasionally look at Rubio and think I could get behind him, despite his own flip-flops in this very area

so apparently I don't consider flip-flopping on immigration totally disqualifying, myself.

Posted by: ace at August 17, 2015 12:13 PM (dciA+)

47

Ace, have you been coordinating with Rush again?

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 12:13 PM (l2dSQ)

48 Trump will not get the Chamber of Commerce Endorsement.

Posted by: rd at August 17, 2015 12:13 PM (a/sAS)

49
Oooo! Dont collect information on me, ace. You'll be disappointed.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 17, 2015 12:13 PM (iQIUe)

50 Trebuchets for cheese eating surrender monkeys.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 17, 2015 12:13 PM (Ar4XM)

51 And BTW there is nothing "extreme" about ending birthright citizenship.
The US and Canada are the only two advanced nations so far that have
unlimited unrestricted birthright citizenship.

If asked, he should just reply that he's just following the European example. You aren't anti-European, are you?

Also, Fiorina is pretty tough on immigration, too, and it dates back to her Senate run:

I was disappointed in her response on the podcast, though, in that she dismissed the idea of building a complete wall. I do think she's serious about cracking down, but that doesn't mean the next president, of either party, would be.

I'm pondering whether I can accept this from her.

Posted by: pep at August 17, 2015 12:13 PM (GMG6W)

52 Isn't birthright citizenship spec'd in the Constitution? Not that that matters much anymore...

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 17, 2015 12:13 PM (5buP8)

53 Trump's plan seems very moderate and generous. I like it.

Posted by: Dwight Eisenhower at August 17, 2015 12:13 PM (jLStj)

54 End birthright citizenship?

For decades, no one could dare mention this because they would be branded a racist who wants to immediately bring back slavery.

Trump apparently wants a 49 state win.

No rational person in this country believes that citizenship should be given to the children of illegals. Trump has somehow voiced this truth.

So to sum up...

(Actually) Build a Fence.
End Birthright Citizenship.

If this guy finds the Fair Tax Plan, he might get 50 states.

Posted by: jwest at August 17, 2015 12:14 PM (P/xrJ)

55 Yeah , he needs to explain this.

Apparently, he doesn't judging by comments here and polling data. People just don't care how much he's lying and totally reversing his previous statements and actions.

I'd like to believe these aren't voters, that they are just people going "yeah, stick it to them!" and happy he's saying this stuff. But in the stupid times we live in now? I have no confidence in voters.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2015 12:14 PM (39g3+)

56 For some reason I don't really understand, people take a huge, egotistical pride of ownership in their wild-ass guesses about future events, and will attack with a lot of emotion anyone who contradicts their claims to be able to divine the future.

The deuce you say!

Posted by: Criswell Predicts! at August 17, 2015 12:14 PM (zF6Iw)

57 Trumps popularity stems from a simple premise...

He is saying EXACTLY what many, if not most, in flyover country WANT to say, but are Terrorized into NOT saying.

Hell... he's talking boots on the ground in Iraq.... which most people KNOW is needed, but most politicians are afraid to say, because of the MEDIA backlash they will get.

Posted by: BB Wolf at August 17, 2015 12:15 PM (qh617)

58 >>Aaaaand has anything happened between 2012 and now that might have changed Trump's mind?

No. Illegals have been streaming the border during Obama's entire term. He did the Dreamer crap before the 2012 election when Trump was calling Romney extreme.

Bottom line is Trump will say anything that he thinks is popular at the time. When he floated his trial ballon in 2011 he was all over the birther crap because he thought the nation was calling for that. He was wrong.

I don't mind Trump staking out these positions because it forces other his way. But I don't trust him for a second because he flips and flops more than any career pol I've seen. YMMV.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 17, 2015 12:15 PM (OGm46)

59 Someone should broker the idea of Annexing Mexico and teaching the little buggers how modernity is done.

Posted by: Hank, Your Friend in Congress at August 17, 2015 12:15 PM (oDCMR)

60
The Leftists are way ahead (overton wise) in this issue of course, issuing drivers licenses, in state tuition, recommending asylum requests, even talk of issuing new US birth certificates. They are basically trying to cement immediate citizenship for crossing the border.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 17, 2015 12:16 PM (ODxAs)

61 59 Or even Detroit.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 17, 2015 12:16 PM (Ar4XM)

62 Half my team here at work is out for classes this week. I may have to actually work. Gah.

Posted by: Grump928(c) mutters at August 17, 2015 12:09 PM (evdj2)

I've often wondered how so many of the horde have so much time to post. Are a bunch of you rich and retired, self employed, or just bored with your job like I am?

Posted by: Blano at August 17, 2015 12:16 PM (w1ewr)

63 You son't have to deport everyone, you just have to threaten to deport all of them and deport some on a regular basis so they understand we are serious.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 17, 2015 12:17 PM (gf8BH)

64 One thing I like about this election: the issues at this point are immigration, abortion, a little Iran. Hillary is having so much trouble with her email, the election hasn't yet transitioned to binders full of women or free tampons for all.

If Bernie becomes the nominee, unfortunately, Hillary's email will cease being an issue and the media will force us to argue about income inequality.

Posted by: Old Hob at August 17, 2015 12:17 PM (T1Jm0)

65 so apparently I don't consider flip-flopping on immigration totally disqualifying, myself.

I think its the same as always: people have things that annoy them, and things they draw the line at. Its not the candidate's actions, its the position its self. I could live with Rubio's position on immigration because I'm confident no candidate will be good on it or get anything positive done anyway. But abortion is my line in the sand. For others its immigration, for still others its how to deal with Iran, etc.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2015 12:17 PM (39g3+)

66
It's not necessarily about Trump as a candidate or even a President.

It's about what he forces the other candidates to say/do because his statements are resonating with the electorate in a huge way, perhaps not seen in ages.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 17, 2015 12:17 PM (St6BJ)

67 If this gains traction I expect a change to Hillary's plan:

Hillary Clinton's Illegal Immigrant Plan: Kill Them All, Let God Sort Them Out.
_

If only for the Press/Lib reaction. "Hillary's religion strikes a chord with voters." "Hillary: Firm. Fair."

Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 17, 2015 12:17 PM (0MJOU)

68
I've often wondered how so many of the horde have so much time to post. Are a bunch of you rich and retired, self employed, or just bored with your job like I am?

I am retired in place.

Posted by: Grump928(c) mutters at August 17, 2015 12:17 PM (evdj2)

69 >>>Trumps popularity stems from a simple premise...

He is saying EXACTLY what many, if not most...

...

hang on a sec, there. You are assuming his "popularity."

He currently has 25% of, let's be generous and say a 32% block, that being the number of Republican primary voters.

So he has 8% of the country at the moment.

You can't just say "he's popular with ME ergo he's popular."

At the current moment Trump is not particularly popular. that COULD change -- there might be a Silent Majority out to back him -- but it's simply wrong to claim he's currently "popular."

Obama has 42% of the country behind him; do you call that "popular"? No you do not.

So how do you get that 8% makes one "popular"?

Posted by: ace at August 17, 2015 12:18 PM (dciA+)

70 Trump 2014. Romney's self-deport plan was mean and extreme.

Trump 2015. I'm going to deport EVERYONE!

People can learn. And Obama is teaching us a lot. So are John Boehner and Bitch McConnell teaching us more.

Posted by: rd at August 17, 2015 12:18 PM (a/sAS)

71 18 Trump 2014. Romney's self-deport plan was mean and extreme.

Trump 2015. I'm going to deport EVERYONE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74BzSTQCl_c
Posted by: JackStraw at August 17, 2015 12:07 PM (OGm46)

Trumps remarks on immigration have cost him quite a bit (not politically, but in terms of his business - Macy's, NBC, and NASCAR have severed ties with him). I'd say if he flopped back now, he'd stand to be hated by everybody. Put mildly, he's stuck here. They'll never take him back.

Or perhaps he fell off his horse on the way to Damascus and was struck by an epiphany. It's happened before for people out of the northeast seeking the GOP nod.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 17, 2015 12:18 PM (Tnmav)

72 Their money and possessions can stay and they can leave after they spend twenty years mining Uranium with a spoon.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 17, 2015 12:18 PM (Ar4XM)

73 Quite a few folks were bitching that Trump just shot off his mouth and didn't have any plans. Well, here's a plan. It will be fun to watch.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 17, 2015 12:19 PM (Z58Xa)

74 A lot of what Trump advocates is just common sense, but it isn't normally covered by the media and pols such that people forget its even an option - bias through topic selection. Trump simply bringing it up creates the "hey, yeah, what about that?" angle. Same thing he did with Barry's birth cert - Trump bitched about how the average person has to provide BCs for things like passports, etc., the average person said "yeah, really, what's the harm in releasing it if you already have it" and ta-da, the next day Barry's dropping his BC and doing victory laps after 4+ years of withholding it. All because Trump "bottom-lined" it for the average person.

Posted by: Saltydonnie at August 17, 2015 12:19 PM (i6shs)

75 "I've often wondered how so many of the horde have so much time to post. "

Retired.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 17, 2015 12:19 PM (VPLuQ)

76 >>I don't mind Trump staking out these positions because it forces other his way. But I don't trust him for a second because he flips and flops more than any career pol I've seen. YMMV.

I agree about not trusting Trump to actually follow-through. That's probably another reason why I'm not that upset about the shift - it's more about how this shapes the debate than what he actually ever has the opportunity to do.

I just think that opinions can change based on recent events. I mean, if Obama, Biden, and Hillary can magically "evolve" on SSM, why can't other politicians "evolve" on other issues, especially immigration?

Posted by: Lizzy at August 17, 2015 12:19 PM (NOIQH)

77 I have some skin in this game...

I am a Software Engineer / Architect. I've been in the software development industry for 20 years.

H1-B Visas are terrible for the industry. They artifically lower wages, because project managers who don't know what the hell they're doing think, "Oh, I should hire 3 H1-B Visas for 40K a year instead of hiring one American Engineer for 120K a year, and I'll get 3x the production!"

... except you don't. In the software industry, an excellent developer like me can be over 10 times as productive as a mediocre developer, and the next H1-B Visa Engineer I see who'd even mediocre will be the first.

It also keeps wages down.

In 2000, a Sr. Software Engineer job would pay you about 75K. In 2015, a Sr. Software Engineer job pays you... about 75K. Thanks, H1-B Visas!

I also favor a law that says if an American company lays anyone off, they MUST lay off all H1-B Visa candidates before a single American.

I was laid off in May (I've found another job, so it's cool) because I was "expensive". They kept several H1-B Visas and 4 months later begged me to come back because the Visas couldn't pull their weight.

Finally, most H1-B Visa candidates don't spend money in the local economy. The come here, work 15-20 years, send all the cash back to India, and then retire to India. Americans buy homes here, spend money, and keep the local economy going.

So while I'm still a Ted Cruz guy.... I like where Trump is going with this.

Posted by: Naqamel at August 17, 2015 12:19 PM (gcE9n)

78 Every single darn RINO fall over their feet trying to prove they're not some religious wacko so they'll get a little pat fro0m the progressive media:

Kasich:

"I don't read the Bible to tell me what to think."

Sigh.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 17, 2015 12:19 PM (OSs/l)

79 This post is YUUUUUGE!

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at August 17, 2015 12:19 PM (RD7QR)

80 Trump consulted heavily with Sen. Sessions on this.

Let's restate that for clarity: Donald Trump, accused politiclown, consulted with a well-respected sitting US Senator of the Republican party with considerable seniority in the process of drafting a serious immigration plan, one said Senator has now publicly praised.

Donald Trump just became the most dangerous man in America.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 17, 2015 12:19 PM (2l5vw)

81
I have to admit that while I still prefer Jindal or Cruz: I am beginning to warm to Donald Trump.
No, I do not believe he is a conservative.
But I definitely believe that Trump is right of center and ideologically speaking would be better than any Democrat running (or any Democrat at all).

AND TRUMP IS THE BEST CANDIDATE ON STOPPING ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. - His position is staked out. He'd committed. And his position is most definitely conservative.

And Trump is most definitely competent. He has built and managed BILLIONS of dollars.
He's a leader.

Trump is no longer a mere protest vote for me. He's not my first preference. But I am now a Trump supporter.

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 12:20 PM (l2dSQ)

82 Stating the obvious (because even the obvious should be stated from time to time just so we're clear on what we mean by 'obvious'), there are two primary groups who back a near-open borders immigration policy: Democratic Party leadership and the US Chamber of Commerce; i.e., big money political donors to whom many GOP politicians are beholden.Dem leaders seemillions of newDem voters and the possiblity of perpetual Democratic rule at the national level. The US Chamber of Commerce is fairly drooling at the prospect of all that sweet, cheap labor.

The notable thing here is that neither of these groups can see beyond the confines of their own agenda--unless, of course, their agenda is the destruction of the country.

Posted by: troyriser at August 17, 2015 12:20 PM (XHR9b)

83 75 "I've often wondered how so many of the horde have so much time to post. "

Retired.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 17, 2015 12:19 PM (VPLuQ)

Underemployed/unemployed. Then again, the lion's share of my posts are on the EMT or later in the afternoon/early evening.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 17, 2015 12:20 PM (St6BJ)

84
So how do you get that 8% makes one "popular"?

Posted by: ace at August 17, 2015 12:18 PM (dciA+)

What is common core math for $100? Alex, errr I mean ace.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 17, 2015 12:20 PM (Z58Xa)

85 Sounds to me like Trump just ripped out the Overton Window and then pissed on it.

Me likey.

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 17, 2015 12:20 PM (gyKtp)

86 "I think it would just be psychologically healthy to know these things for facts, so that people don't just keep screaming their premonitions of the future at each other."

So you're new to the past 225 years or so of American political theater, I see...

Posted by: anon a mouse at August 17, 2015 12:20 PM (C9pBZ)

87 >>> I'd say if he flopped back now, he'd stand to be hated by everybody. Put mildly, he's stuck here. They'll never take him back.

that's a way to put it, he has, like Cortez, burned his ships behind him.

Posted by: ace at August 17, 2015 12:20 PM (dciA+)

88
I've often wondered how so many of the horde have so much time to post. Are a bunch of you rich and retired, self employed, or just bored with your job like I am?

Posted by: Blano at August 17, 2015 12:16 PM (w1ewr)

--------------------

Yes...

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at August 17, 2015 12:21 PM (HSmrB)

89 I have absolutely no use for Trump but I have to admit, he's got everyone in a panic over the immigration issue.

I continue to focus on the prize, beating Hillary, and right now the polls shows he can't.

Furthermore, if any GOP candidate can't win FL he'll lose the race. We'll see how this plays in FL.

Posted by: Wisrich at August 17, 2015 12:21 PM (hdpay)

90 You son't have to deport everyone, you just have to threaten to deport all of them and deport some on a regular basis so they understand we are serious.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 17, 2015 12:17 PM (gf8BH)

And deport some well known ones, like the dude on MTV and the illegal alien criminal lawyer in Kallyfornia, so they can see we're serious.

Posted by: Blano at August 17, 2015 12:21 PM (w1ewr)

91 Obama has 42% of the country behind him; do you call that "popular"? No you do not.

So how do you get that 8% makes one "popular"?

Posted by: ace at August 17, 2015 12:18 PM (dciA+)

Ace, we were told there would be no math involved. Why do you fuck with us?

Posted by: Hank, Your Friend in Congress at August 17, 2015 12:21 PM (oDCMR)

92 >>>"I've often wondered how so many of the horde have so much time to post. "
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If you aren't my boss, booger off.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 17, 2015 12:21 PM (Z58Xa)

93 If anything, I felt that his prior focus on "illegal" immigrants only empowered the "nation of immigrants" crowd too much, by conceding that overwhelming the country with unlimited millions of "legal" immigrants would be magically ok just because a process was followed.

But my greatest problem with T is I think h'es just too much of a narcissist and exhibitionist not to self destruct shortly before the election. That is, I don't think he cares enough about anyone else in a serious way to be careful enough to survive the minefield of a national election.

To mix my metaphorical explosives, if he's a walking grenade, I just hope he pulls his pin sooner rather than later.

Posted by: NYC Peasant at August 17, 2015 12:21 PM (k8tEg)

94 It's not necessarily about Trump as a candidate or even a President.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 17, 2015 12:17 PM (St6BJ)

Au contraire.

Posted by: rrpjr at August 17, 2015 12:21 PM (s/yC1)

95 naqamel,

Michelle Malkin alerted me to this.

Posted by: ace at August 17, 2015 12:21 PM (dciA+)

96 80 Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 17, 2015 12:19 PM (2l5vw)

If you are consulting with Jeff Sessions, then you are definitely going to be attracting serious attention from the leadership-starved base.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 17, 2015 12:22 PM (St6BJ)

97 I would love to see Cruz or Walker pick up these issues from Trump. Until they do, he has my support. I do believe he's serious. I believe he can win.

Posted by: Beth M at August 17, 2015 12:22 PM (kiy9d)

98 We're doing out part to end birthright citizenship.

Posted by: Planned Bodyparts at August 17, 2015 12:22 PM (wAQA5)

99 69 -- 25% in a 17-candidate field isn't enough to ensure popularity?

Man, we sure have raised the bar in this joint. Next we'll require ties for the gentlemen and boned corsets for the ladies.

Posted by: Kate58 at August 17, 2015 12:22 PM (MvtKs)

100 80 Trump consulted heavily with Sen. Sessions on this.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 17, 2015 12:19 PM (2l5vw)

Right. This is huge.

Posted by: rrpjr at August 17, 2015 12:23 PM (s/yC1)

101 >>>But my greatest problem with T is I think h'es just too much of a narcissist and exhibitionist not to self destruct shortly before the election. That is, I don't think he cares enough about anyone else in a serious way to be careful enough to survive the minefield of a national election.

i would believe this more if he had already not set off a series of grenades in his own hands and come out of it relatively unscathed.

So what's left for him to do to himself, damage-wise?

Posted by: ace at August 17, 2015 12:23 PM (dciA+)

102 How many more illegals CAN we deport?

Clearly, the answer has to be, more than we are.

Trump might ride that answer alone to the White House.

Posted by: Andy at August 17, 2015 12:23 PM (TAziz)

103 I've often wondered how so many of the horde have so much time to post. Are a bunch of you rich and retired, self employed, or just bored with your job like I am?

I'm a fabulously independently wealthy illegitimate child of one of the Duponts.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 17, 2015 12:23 PM (OSs/l)

104 No one should be forced to live separated from their loved ones.

I've been forced into living separated from Kate Upton ohh these many years....The restraining order may have something to do with it though.

Posted by: wrg500 at August 17, 2015 12:23 PM (sWgE+)

105 "Ace, we were told there would be no math involved. Why do you fuck with us?'

Because he loves us?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 17, 2015 12:23 PM (VPLuQ)

106 Trump gave Sessions' ideas the bully pulpit. That deserves to be applauded. Because the only Senator that seems to give a crap about working poor losing their livelihood to hordes of illegal immigrants, is Sessions.

Posted by: Ever at August 17, 2015 12:23 PM (RqICA)

107 so apparently I don't consider flip-flopping on immigration totally disqualifying, myself.

For me it's not the flip flop so much as the reason.

A strong pro-life supporting politician just means a person who has found a way to get paid for supporting pro-life issues.

I flipped flopped because it benefits Donor A who is writing bigger checks than Donor B is not exactly a window to the candidate real views on the issues.

Although it is helpful to get an idea of the number on their individual price tag.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 17, 2015 12:23 PM (HJqXj)

108 "I've often wondered how so many of the horde have so much time to post. "

Office way at the end of the hall and bosses who like to stay put.

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at August 17, 2015 12:23 PM (RD7QR)

109 "boned corsets"

As in "Ah did not have sex with that corset"?

Heh.

Posted by: anon a mouse at August 17, 2015 12:23 PM (C9pBZ)

110 35 I still think the best way to handle birthright citizenship is to treat minors as being under the control of parents. That way you deport them and their parents regardless of citizenship (its cruel to separate them from parents, etc). Then when they reach the age of majority, they, and just they may choose to come to the US and live as citizens if they want to.

^^^^^

I think this is how you handle the children who've already gotten their citizenship in this manner. However I don't have a problem with ending birthright citizenship going forward. It's an absurd policy and it allows foreigners to take advantage of us.

As far as the plan goes, I read it last night for shits and giggles. I was expecting to read a few paragraphs of BS-ing and self-aggrandizement. I must admit I was stunned at what I actually read. I stopped halfway and asked my husband if he'd read it. His question was, "Is this really Trump's website?" He was astounded as well.

I could absolutely get behind this plan. It makes a lot of sense and I appreciate that it prioritizes Americans first. So my question is why the hell is it coming from Donald fricking Trump and not Ted Cruz? Or Bobby Jindal? Or Scott Walker?

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at August 17, 2015 12:24 PM (KkVB6)

111 94 It's not necessarily about Trump as a candidate or even a President.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 17, 2015 12:17 PM (St6BJ)

Au contraire.
Posted by: rrpjr at August 17, 2015 12:21 PM (s/yC1)

Long-time readers here know my theory about Trump. To wit, for now, I'm glad he's in the mix in order to toss over the tables and bitch-slap the MFM, Dems and GOP-e.

IF - big if - he should somehow survive the next 12 months and then get the nomination, then I will have to reassess my position on actually actively support in him as my candidate of choice. For now, I support Cruz and like a few others.

We shall see. A year is a long time.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 17, 2015 12:25 PM (St6BJ)

112 103 "I've often wondered how so many of the horde have so much time to post. Are a bunch of you rich and retired, self employed, or just bored with your job like I am?"

I'm a Rothschild. Or is it Wrath's child?

Posted by: rrpjr at August 17, 2015 12:25 PM (s/yC1)

113 o what's left for him to do to himself, damage-wise?

Posted by: ace at August 17, 2015 12:23 PM (dciA+

Women, barefoot, pregnant and making sammiches?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 17, 2015 12:25 PM (Z58Xa)

114 >>i would believe this more if he had already not set off a series of grenades in his own hands and come out of it relatively unscathed.

Which is why I don't believe that he is stuck anywhere. Trump could reverse himself or at least apologize for his comments and Macy et al would come running.

They are in the business of making money just like Trump and no matter how many bankruptcies or losing schemes he has entered into, there is always a line of people willing to give him more money.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 17, 2015 12:25 PM (OGm46)

115 Solve the problem at it's source. Lay waste to Mexico and Central America.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 17, 2015 12:25 PM (Ar4XM)

116 "I don't read the Bible to tell me what to think." - Kasich
---------------

The polls are more important.

Posted by: Kasich at August 17, 2015 12:25 PM (9mTYi)

117 Trumps popularity stems from a simple premise...
He is saying EXACTLY what many, if not most, in flyover country WANT to say, but are Terrorized into NOT saying.

I was out riding yesterday and the subject of Teh Donald came up. While a few people seemed to have interest in him, there was a lot of hemming and hawing. At which point, I more or less echoed the above. "Look," I said, "I don't know that I could support Trump if he got the nomination. But I can at least point out what he's said - that we need to clamp down on illegal immigration, that we're the world's laughingstock because of Obama, that we're drowning in debt and that the press and most of the cocksuckers in office are lying to our faces every day. Who doesn't think that's true?"

And it was as though the sun had come out after a storm. Suddenly everyone in our little group was nodding their heads and basically agreeing that yes, we've been cowed into silence by our "betters," who have taken our silence as carte blanche to run this country into the ground.

Anecdote as data and all that, I know, but take it for what it's worth.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 17, 2015 12:25 PM (zF6Iw)

118 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 17, 2015 12:20 PM (St6BJ)

But you get those regular checks from the Zionist Occupation Government...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 17, 2015 12:25 PM (Zu3d9)

119 As President, I would request from Congress and the states a Constitutional amendment as follows:

a) five categories of resident: citizen, long-term resident alien possessing green cards, transient alien possessing tourist, student, and temporary employment visas, those seeking political asylum, and those not covered in the above categories and not legally permitted into the country.

b) all rights under the Constitution specifically apply only to citizens

c) Congress may, by enactment of legislation referencing the specific Constitutional clauses, grant rights to long-term and transient aliens as enumerated above.

d) Those not legally permitted shall be ensured only those rights necessary for their basic physical safety while conducted to their country of origin for repatriation.

e) The asylum window needs to be narrowed, but exactly how to approach that I'm still up in the air on.

Posted by: JEM at August 17, 2015 12:25 PM (o+SC1)

120
No. Illegals have been streaming the border during Obama's entire term.

and Bush's term, and Clinton's term and Bush's term, and Reagan's term...

Posted by: some random meathead at August 17, 2015 12:25 PM (HJqXj)

121 I think the Overton window shifted last year but the public was shouted down. And as I predicted the "deporting" the kids has come up immediately. A custody case with some crazy actress has been claiming her dual citizen children were deported and touted in the media. This was a tie in for media and immigration proponents propaganda about immigration reform. It isn't deporting kids but rather kids remaining in their non-US citizen parents custody. And a fed court and US State Department has already said this. We gonna keep kids prisoner in the US? Just because you are a US citizen doesn't require you to live here if you got somewhere better like with your parents in their own country. And they can come back at age 18 if they want to do so.

Posted by: Lester at August 17, 2015 12:25 PM (2UPXV)

122
And also consider this. There is no way that Hillary or anyone else will outspend Trump in the general election.

Even if Obama were running against Trump: Trump would be able to EASILY out spend him in a general election.

That's a yuuuuge fabulous advantage folks.

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 12:26 PM (l2dSQ)

123 "So how do you get that 8% makes one "popular"? "

Based on Trump's trend, using the peer reviewed data analysis methods favored by Climate Scientists, by January 2016 Trump will have 136% positive rating. By the election, 340%

Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 17, 2015 12:26 PM (0MJOU)

124 Hey Ace.. good on ya for getting Fiorina for the podcast... she was great.. and she was right about the employer amnesty thing too.. just enforce the laws with an e-verify system and employers will self-correct - or face huge fines.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 17, 2015 12:26 PM (so+oy)

125 i don't believe he can win, but that for me is actually a soft guess that I have no strong confidence in (or emotion in).

I don't think he can win because this sort of crude demagogic appeal has never won before. (And Trump does employ the techniques of the demagogue, not always, but sometimes.)

OTOH, we are in a strange place in american politics. People are getting, frankly, dumber and cruder, and so maybe they don't mind this.

Also, obviously, people are angry, and much more likely to go for a weird, outside-the-box demagogue than they would be in a period of prosperity.

Stability is prized during periods of prosperity; during periods of want and misery, obviously, people aren't in love with stability qua stability.

I don't know where we are, nationally, on any of this.

Posted by: ace at August 17, 2015 12:26 PM (dciA+)

126 I've often wondered how so many of the horde have so much time to post. Are a bunch of you rich and retired, self employed, or just bored with your job like I am?

Posted by: Blano at August 17, 2015 12:16 PM (w1ewr)

Beyond bored. I want another job, but the problem is that I'm not qualified for anything other than what I do.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 17, 2015 12:26 PM (zF6Iw)

127 " toss over the tables and bitch-slap the MFM, Dems and GOP-e."

Might I be the first to nominate that as a new AoSHQ header?

Posted by: anon a mouse at August 17, 2015 12:26 PM (C9pBZ)

128 I'd say if he flopped back now, he'd stand to be hated by everybody. Put mildly, he's stuck here. They'll never take him back.

I think its obvious that Trump does not care who likes him or what people think of him. He'll change his mind if he wants to and flip off the world. And given the simpering, whimpering, cringing culture we live in, people like that kind of defiant confidence.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2015 12:27 PM (39g3+)

129 Lay waste to Mexico and Central America.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 17, 2015 12:25 PM (Ar4XM)

That's brilliant.

And the refugees will of course move south to Columbia and Peru and Ecuador and Venezuela.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 17, 2015 12:27 PM (Zu3d9)

130 Are a bunch of you rich and retired, self employed, or just bored with your job like I am?

When you're a dolphin brain in a jar wired to the Internet, you get bored...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 17, 2015 12:27 PM (2l5vw)

131 Posted by: Naqamel at August 17, 2015 12:19 PM (gcE9n)

Yup....

In 1997 the average MCSE qual'd Network Engineer made 67K a year.

In 2015, they make just about.... 67K a year.

So in 18 years, with an average of 3% inflation per year.... your wages have actually DECREASED over 40% in buying power, during that same timespan...

Oh... and yes, I am an MCSE, who used to TEACH this to Americans, before that industry went tits up due to the influx of foreign labor.

Posted by: BB Wolf at August 17, 2015 12:27 PM (qh617)

132 @101
How about calling Hillary "a stupid broad?"
Hiroshima jokes?
Farting during a speech and blaming it on the press?
None of it would surprise me.

Posted by: NYC Peasant at August 17, 2015 12:27 PM (k8tEg)

133 I'm fine with birthright citizenship. But that should't effect deporting illegals. If you have a US citizen kid, fine let the kid live here with relatives. But you mom and dad illegal, you go home. It's up to you if you take your kids with you.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 17, 2015 12:27 PM (0LHZx)

134 "So my question is why the hell is it coming from Donald fricking Trump and not Ted Cruz? Or Bobby Jindal? Or Scott Walker?"

Remember in the beginning, when Trump said "I'm rich....I'm really rich"?

Two of the most dangerous people on the planet are the ones who have nothing to lose.
And those who are rich enough to be unbuyable.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 17, 2015 12:27 PM (VPLuQ)

135 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 17, 2015 12:25 PM (Zu3d9

Says teh Anti-Semite Semite

///

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 17, 2015 12:27 PM (Z58Xa)

136 *affect

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 17, 2015 12:27 PM (0LHZx)

137 118 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 17, 2015 12:20 PM (St6BJ)

But you get those regular checks from the Zionist Occupation Government...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 17, 2015 12:25 PM (Zu3d9)

I have to go back to the secret dungeon, make the gentile blood matzoh and control the media . . .

HEY - did you get my e-mail???

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 17, 2015 12:27 PM (St6BJ)

138 ... except you don't. In the software industry, an excellent developer like me can be over 10 times as productive as a mediocre developer,

Yesterday I was making the same point about exporting/jobbing out IT and user tasks to China, India and in my industry increasingly, Eastern Europe. The quality is crap. But the fallacy persists, because the C-suite only looks at the bottom right corner of spreadsheets.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 17, 2015 12:28 PM (5buP8)

139 Trump claims that he will build a wall or fence along the Mexican border.

Is there anyone who believes that if Trump is elected he won't build it?

None of the other candidates will do anything approaching what Trump will do on immigration. If you want a wall, you only have one choice.

Posted by: jwest at August 17, 2015 12:28 PM (P/xrJ)

140
Semite? I'm a SMOD-ite.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 17, 2015 12:28 PM (St6BJ)

141 I've often wondered how so many of the horde have so much time to post. Are a bunch of you rich and retired, self employed, or just bored with your job like I am?

Posted by: Blano at August 17, 2015 12:16 PM (w1ewr)

Between patients, injections, impressions, and crying

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 17, 2015 12:28 PM (gf8BH)

142 First they ignore you.

Then they mock you.

Then they fight you.

Then you WIN!!!

"Who's doing the raping?"

Trump
2016

Posted by: prescient11 at August 17, 2015 12:29 PM (q5APL)

143 Things aren't good and are getting worse. Everyone of course picks a favorite scapegoat. I'm thinking Jews or immigrants or illegal immigrants or all the above. I could say bankers but then I would repeat myself. I denounce myself for racism, antisemitism and liking to receive oral sex.

Posted by: of course at August 17, 2015 12:29 PM (1uTkE)

144 Boy Ace, using your "24% of 32%" logic on the rest of the Republican field means we are in a world of hurt!

See what I did there?

Posted by: Dogbert at August 17, 2015 12:29 PM (qjku1)

145 Feh. This is the logic that gave us "electable" candidates like John McCain and Mitt Romney.

Except Trump isn't a conservative either, but a win is win I guess.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 17, 2015 12:29 PM (ODxAs)

146 141 Between patients, injections, impressions, and crying
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 17, 2015 12:28 PM (gf8BH)

Interstitial time moments . . .

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 17, 2015 12:29 PM (St6BJ)

147 Which is why I don't believe that he is stuck anywhere. Trump could reverse himself or at least apologize for his comments and Macy et al would come running.

I'm not sure. Social Justice is pretty entrenched in most corporations. GamerGate taught me that.

And it's pretty hard to apologize after this.

I mean, he could try, I suppose. I just don't think it would work.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 17, 2015 12:29 PM (Tnmav)

148 And Trump does employ the techniques of the demagogue, not always, but sometimes.

No. He employs the techniques of the salesman.

It's a critical point and it explains the Trump phenomenon. It's something I missed at first, but it's quickly becoming painfully obvious why what's happening is happening.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 17, 2015 12:29 PM (2l5vw)

149 >>How many more illegals CAN we deport?

Hasn't DHS been flying/bussing "unaccompanied minors" to the US city of their choice for over 12 months now?

How is it we can afford to place relocate them, get them settled, and then assist them in getting their relatives here, too, but we can't afford to deport them? Or maybe stop them from coming in in the first place?

Posted by: Lizzy at August 17, 2015 12:29 PM (NOIQH)

150 to soften my criticism of trump, i would say of him what was once said of Palin: What he doesn't know could (hypothetically) be learned, and what he does know (maybe) can't be taught.

I would prefer (and this is obvious) a more thoughtful and less crude candidate. However, my preferences are not the nation's preferences. It is possible that Trump knows, instinctively, that the nation likes some crudeness (or at least they prefer that to the over-refined pablum that has come to be our standard political speech).

I often tell people not to be solipsistic and assume that what THEY like is what the general public likes; and I try to follow that advice myself.

If we are in a period of Idiocracy, which many of thought we were, then you're going to want to run a Hector Mountain Dew Camacho type candidate.

Posted by: ace at August 17, 2015 12:29 PM (dciA+)

151 I have to go back to the secret dungeon, make the gentile blood matzoh and control the media . . "

See, I knew it!!!!

Posted by: anon a mouse at August 17, 2015 12:29 PM (C9pBZ)

152 132 @101
How about calling Hillary "a stupid broad?"
--------

Well, she is. And I would pay some money to see that said.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 17, 2015 12:30 PM (Z58Xa)

153
I am semi retired but due to unemployment b/c of the shitty economy, I am fully unemployed or fully retired. You choose. Anyway, I'm not happy and smod can not get here soon enough

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 17, 2015 12:30 PM (iQIUe)

154 Posted by: Naqamel at August 17, 2015 12:19 PM (gcE9n)

Nice post.

I'm reminded of the companies moving their operations to China only to have every idea and prototype stolen by the Chinese. One company I remember reading about had all of their tools and dyes stolen. Basically just ruins the company.

Then another dummy gets the great idea to move it all to China. Lather, rinse, repeat.

I feel zero pity for these dummies.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 17, 2015 12:30 PM (oFCZn)

155
Pinging @ comment #87.

I LOVE the dovetailing Spanish reference by using Cortez's ship formation.

- Better than resorting to the tried and true "crossed the Rubicon".

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 12:30 PM (l2dSQ)

156 151 I have to go back to the secret dungeon, make the gentile blood matzoh and control the media . . "

See, I knew it!!!!
Posted by: anon a mouse at August 17, 2015 12:29 PM (C9pBZ)

Pffft. That's just my cover story.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 17, 2015 12:30 PM (St6BJ)

157 Simpering pants wetting fear is pretty entrenched in most corporations."

FIFY...

Posted by: anon a mouse at August 17, 2015 12:31 PM (C9pBZ)

158 Remember in the beginning, when Trump said "I'm rich....I'm really rich"?

I have serious reservations about how "rich" The Donald really is: I believe he has a lot of assets, but if, as I suspect, none of that is liquid, he's really just a guy with a bunch of addresses in his back pocket, and monster property tax bills on his desk.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 17, 2015 12:31 PM (5buP8)

159 90 You son't have to deport everyone, you just have to threaten to deport all of them and deport some on a regular basis so they understand we are serious.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 17, 2015 12:17 PM (gf8BH)
And deport some well known ones, like the dude on MTV and the illegal alien criminal lawyer in Kallyfornia, so they can see we're serious.
Posted by: Blano at August 17, 2015 12:21 PM (w1ewr)

Yep. Force illegal aliens back into the closet, so they are terrified that someone in officialdom will find out that they're illegal.

And while we're at it, send ICE agents to cruise Home Depot parking lots on a weekly basis, and round up all illegals there, and wherever else they congregate. Will it be 100% effective? No, of course not. (Nothing is. Condoms aren't 100% effective, hence the current occupant of the White House.) But it does raise the ante rather seriously on illegal aliens, and makes their lives here that much harder, thereby discouraging their continued presence (and others' future presence).

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2015 12:31 PM (oKE6c)

160 138 ... except you don't. In the software industry, an excellent developer like me can be over 10 times as productive as a mediocre developer,

Yesterday I was making the same point about exporting/jobbing out IT and user tasks to China, India and in my industry increasingly, Eastern Europe. The quality is crap. But the fallacy persists, because the C-suite only looks at the bottom right corner of spreadsheets.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 17, 2015 12:28 PM (5buP

_________

Option 1:

Hire and Indian for $30 an hour. He takes 100 hours to do the job.

Option 2:

Hire and American for $100 an hour, he takes 20 hours to do the job.

But hiring managers never think it through, they just see $30 an hour.

And here's where it gets even better. After the 100 hours are done, the code is so shitty that you'll need to pay someone another 50 hours to make it usable. And that someone is an American at $125/hr.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 17, 2015 12:31 PM (0LHZx)

161 "I've often wondered how so many of the horde have so much time to post. Are a bunch of you rich and retired, self employed, or just bored with your job like I am?"

Yes.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 17, 2015 12:31 PM (qBbz7)

162 I see it this way, Trump is a Major Distraction to the Ruling Class GOP. He's getting enough traction by shooting his mouth off, that they are not working to torpedo the Tea-Party Type conservatives in the race. Last time they systematically picked them off one by one, until were only left the swetter vest dude with no Charisma!

Posted by: Paladin at August 17, 2015 12:32 PM (4kpbt)

163 Not only would Trump build a wall, he'd sell advertising to finance it.

"These two miles of border security are brought to you by Trojan condoms. When you absolutely have to keep someone out."

Posted by: Andy at August 17, 2015 12:32 PM (TAziz)

164 >>Trump could reverse himself or at least apologize for his comments and Macy et al would come running.

Trump doesn't apologize, he says "F#$% You, I'm suing you!!"

After years of seeing conservatives apologize and grovel after being mobbed by SJW's and the PC media police it's entertaining to see someone do this. Again, maybe not the best characteristic for a president, but as a candidate....?

Posted by: Lizzy at August 17, 2015 12:32 PM (NOIQH)

165 Good grief!

dye = die

Tool and die.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 17, 2015 12:32 PM (oFCZn)

166 None of the other candidates will do anything approaching what Trump will do on immigration. If you want a wall, you only have one choice.
Posted by: jwest
...............
Horseshit.. listen to the podcast.. Fiorina would do it. But she's smart enough to know you cannot build a single wall.. you build walls where it is feasible and use other measures where it isn't.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 17, 2015 12:32 PM (so+oy)

167
I will say this. Trump most definitely wants to win the election. If that happens, it's really a big-ass mystery as to how he will actually govern.

I can guarantee that the GOP-e will probably treat him worse than the Dems. Or as bad. That is if he really does govern with even a modicum of conservative principles.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 17, 2015 12:32 PM (St6BJ)

168 141 said ... I've often wondered how so many of the horde have so much time to post. ...

Your only talking about 1000 people out of a possible 100+ million. Everyone here could be classified as "lunatic fringe". See Red Rider for theme song.

Posted by: below 1000 at August 17, 2015 12:32 PM (1uTkE)

169
...to recruit cheaper younger foreign tech workers to replace older more expensive American ones.

---
so i should torpedo the nice girl just in from China who started reporting to me this morning?

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at August 17, 2015 12:33 PM (/eTPT)

170 Ace
Good food for thought, and I don't disagree as a general matter that the nation's preferences probably don't match my own.
But I do thnk that there are still some sensibilities that can be fatally offended, particularly when it comes to the wimmens, that Trump is uniquely suited to offend.
But looking at it another way, he's reversed himself so much on abortion that he may be less vulnerable to attack as a "radical pro lifer"
So we'd have that going for us.

Posted by: NYC Peasant at August 17, 2015 12:33 PM (k8tEg)

171
8%?
Wait, let me think about it. Let's see, if CO2 is, uh, 400ppm, and there are 30 million illegals, uh, the percentage of CO2 per illegal, per Trump supporter, would be, uh, gee, I don't know Senator. We have experts that decide these things, I'm just an administration mouthpiece. The only thing I know for sure is that we need more money and regulation, but mostly regulation.

Posted by: Gina McCarthy, Head of EPA at August 17, 2015 12:33 PM (9mTYi)

172 I like everything I'm hearing, but what does it matter if someone loses a 40 state landslide?

I do legitimately think this is a Silent Majority issue that would resonate, but I don't think it's enough to make Trump President with all of his baggage. And also, I know Trump is a con artist and I'm being manipulated.

Let say Trump get the GOP nomination, runs on this, and loses a landslide like we haven't seen in 50 years. That's basically going to kill any sort of "tough on the border" talk once and for all.

Posted by: Coolio at August 17, 2015 12:33 PM (WJtOf)

173
Also, if Trump messes up the GOP-e master plans to install Jeb, Itch-Kase or Krispy Kreosote, then I'm down for that struggle.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 17, 2015 12:33 PM (St6BJ)

174 I'm reminded of the companies moving their operations to China only to have every idea and prototype stolen by the Chinese. One company I remember reading about had all of their tools and dyes stolen. Basically just ruins the company.

We have one local company that relocated manufacturing to Mexico and then came back. Turns out the cost of labor isn't that low. They have strong unions in Me-He-Co. Also, bribe and graft typically don't show up on business plans.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 17, 2015 12:34 PM (5buP8)

175 I have serious reservations about how "rich" The Donald really is: I believe he has a lot of assets, but if, as I suspect, none of that is liquid, he's really just a guy with a bunch of addresses in his back pocket, and monster property tax bills on his desk.

Yeah, its possible. He's either Tony DiNozzo's dad from NCIS or genuinely very rich. I'm leaning toward very rich, but overstating his wealth considerably.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2015 12:34 PM (39g3+)

176 To answer #52, no, birthright citizenship is not in the Constitution. The Fourteenth Amendment was never intended to create birthright citizenship. See the link in my nick for details, and read the Slaughter-House Cases.

And special props to Boss Moss at #36 and #50 for referencing Frank J. Fleming's famous Mexipult.

Posted by: Qoheleth at August 17, 2015 12:34 PM (iIzG7)

177 Pffft."

Oh great. We've gone from TRUMP to raspberries?

Posted by: anon a mouse at August 17, 2015 12:34 PM (C9pBZ)

178 Trump/Fiorina 2016

Discuss?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 17, 2015 12:34 PM (VPLuQ)

179 Underemployed/unemployed. Then again, the lion's share of my posts are on the EMT or later in the afternoon/early evening.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 17, 2015 12:20 PM (St6BJ)

Severely underemployed at the moment as well too.

Posted by: Blano at August 17, 2015 12:35 PM (w1ewr)

180 I will say this. Trump most definitely wants to win the election. If that happens, it's really a big-ass mystery as to how he will actually govern.

Half of what's so interesting is the curiosity of what he'd do.

It really can't be any worse than Obama.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 17, 2015 12:35 PM (Tnmav)

181 >>How many more illegals CAN we deport?

How many we got? Yes.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 17, 2015 12:35 PM (qBbz7)

182 @ Naquamel - I also favor a law that says if an American company lays anyone off,
they MUST lay off all H1-B Visa candidates before a single American.

Great post. The "Ahm just doing fer my investors" CEO crowd has NO understanding of how this affects the tech industry and others.

H1b is supposed to fill " temporary or seasonal jobs " that cannot be filled by American workers. Somebody HAS to lie or pay somebody to lie in order to make it work.

The whole thing is a government -corporate fraud scheme.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 17, 2015 12:35 PM (HJqXj)

183 In the eyes of many, Trump has two things going against him:
1) He is a loud, obnoxious populist who will say anything.
2) You can't trust what he says because of #1.

That may be, though if that were true, I would've expected a more middle of the road position on immigration. So I give him props for that.

Imo, it is possible that has never firmly thought through all of the issues and that may be why he seems to flip flop on them from day to day. Many see that as a negative, because we can't identify his ideology, by which to judge him. I get that, but for many, he's that blank slate we can project upon much like Obama in 2007. And that may be the key to bringing in independents and Reagan Democrats.

BTW, one criticism from some on the right has been that we are the rule of law party and how can we support someone who would be the Obama of the right. Are you kidding me? We NEED someone on the right to reverse all the crap that Obama has done. I'm sorry we're in this position, but statists started it and it's about time we fought back

Posted by: IdahoMatt at August 17, 2015 12:35 PM (SgYQy)

184 Obviously Trump is just a clownish idiot.

And so are all you people who support him.

Clownish idiots all.

Clownish idiots who want to take away my cheap landscaping labor.

Posted by: The Official, Bona Fide GOP-E at August 17, 2015 12:36 PM (S32rP)

185 If we are in a period of Idiocracy, which many of thought we were,
then you're going to want to run a Hector Mountain Dew Camacho type
candidate.

Posted by: ace at August 17, 2015 12:29 PM (dciA+)

In fact, you're going to need to run Hector Mountain Dew Camacho, to have any chance of winning. Romney was in many respects the perfect candidate for 2012, since he has serious business chops in turning around failing outfits looking at bankruptcy, and God knows the United States qualifies. But he was too high-minded, and got out-Camachoed by our Dusky Messiah.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2015 12:36 PM (oKE6c)

186
While Trump may only enjoy 8% support, he has caused 100% of the candidates to engage his (spoken) views.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 17, 2015 12:36 PM (9mTYi)

187 "...Condoms aren't 100% effective, hence the current
occupant of the White House..."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2015 12:31 PM (oKE6c)

I thought he was the product of anal intercourse.....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 17, 2015 12:36 PM (Zu3d9)

188 Embrace the Kasich/Rubio ticket, Sefton... just start chanting that ticket as a mantra.. you too will soon be a true believer...

Kasich/Rubio
Kasich/Rubio
Kasich/Rubio

see how that kinda grows on ya?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 17, 2015 12:37 PM (so+oy)

189 167 ...
I will say this. Trump most definitely wants to win the election. If that happens, it's really a big-ass mystery as to how he will actually govern

JJ. It doesn't matter how he would govern. The DC Establishment is calling the shots.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 17, 2015 12:37 PM (Z58Xa)

190 I think it's been proven that rivers full of toxins and heavy metals acts as a sponge that helps prevent global warming.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 17, 2015 12:37 PM (oFCZn)

191 181 >>How many more illegals CAN we deport?

Privatize deportation. Turn it into a competitive enterprise. Then we'll see.

Posted by: rrpjr at August 17, 2015 12:37 PM (s/yC1)

192 Viva La Trump!

Trump El Presidente! Mucho Largo Testicularos!

When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't Talk.

Posted by: Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez at August 17, 2015 12:37 PM (D0NZx)

193 Great post, Ace. Really fabulous. And classy too!

Bottom line, there is no reason to think that Trump is the Savior of All Mankind, but also no reason to think that the normal course of politics is working, especially for the GOP. Why not let Mr. Flamboyant throw a bunch of crapola at the wall and see what sticks? If necessary, the other candidates can then steal it. Like it seems Walker already has.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at August 17, 2015 12:37 PM (ElEyp)

194 For right now, I'm just enjoying Trump making all the elites in both parties squirm and squirm.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at August 17, 2015 12:37 PM (7ObY1)

195 None of the other candidates will do anything approaching what Trump will do on immigration.

See, this bothers me. How is it possible that people buy into this guy's line? He's obviously BS'ing everyone, and its useful while he's forcing the issue on topics that everyone wants to ignore its sad when people believe the lies.

Its one thing to say "nobody else is talking about this" but another, far more credulous and foolish thing to say "nobody else will do this."

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2015 12:37 PM (39g3+)

196 to recruit cheaper younger foreign tech workers to replace older more expensive American ones.

***********

Hmmmm.

Posted by: Carly Fiorina at August 17, 2015 12:37 PM (vgIRn)

197 Trump/Cruz 2016 - Fuck You, WAR!!

Posted by: Kreplach at August 17, 2015 12:37 PM (mysAS)

198 ... I've often wondered how so many of the horde have so much time to post.

Have you seen the commercial where the torturers are playing ping pong with the prisoner as a net?

Yeah, like that.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 17, 2015 12:38 PM (HJqXj)

199 @ 188 - "Kasich/Rubio
Kasich/Rubio
Kasich/Rubio"

------------------------------

Chi-town Jerry, I like the cut of your jib.

Posted by: The Official, Bona Fide GOP-E at August 17, 2015 12:38 PM (S32rP)

200 "While Trump may only enjoy 8% support, he has caused 100% of the candidates to engage his (spoken) views."

This.

I still expect him to be consumed during the electoral process.

But it's gonna be fun as hell to watch in the meantime.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 17, 2015 12:38 PM (VPLuQ)

201 175 I have serious reservations about how "rich" The Donald really is: I believe he has a lot of assets, but if, as I suspect, none of that is liquid, he's really just a guy with a bunch of addresses in his back pocket, and monster property tax bills on his desk.

According to that Scott Adams (of Dilbert fame) Blog post, you're playing into Trump's hands by saying this.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at August 17, 2015 12:38 PM (7ObY1)

202 Posted by: buzzsaw90 at August 17, 2015 12:33 PM (/eTPT)

Is she hot?

If so, then definitely torpedo her!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 17, 2015 12:39 PM (Zu3d9)

203 She seems to have picked up a few new phrases at the NoVaMoMe.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 17, 2015 12:11 PM (VPLuQ)

I think we all did. Unrelated: I've been banned at the local elementary schools for something I f*cking said.

Posted by: physics geek at August 17, 2015 12:39 PM (MT22W)

204 "Aaaaand has anything happened between 2012 and now that might have changed Trump's mind?
Say, open borders summer 2014, secret amnesty, DHS not deporting, sanctuary cities being directly linked to criminal alien murders, etc.?"

^This^

And beautiful Kate being murdered in broad daylight on a tourist pier in San Francisco while strolling with her father.

He's not having press conferences with the victims of illegal aliens for fun and politics. For all his faults he's not craven. He's serious about giving those victims a voice. The same with veterans.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 17, 2015 12:39 PM (jSTDs)

205 Its one thing to say "nobody else is talking about this" but another, far more credulous and foolish thing to say "nobody else will do this."

If they're afraid to talk about it, they sure as hell ain't gonna do it.

You can't 'sneakily' pass laws.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 17, 2015 12:39 PM (Tnmav)

206
Rush:

Trump: "Bye bye, Anchor Babies."

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 12:39 PM (l2dSQ)

207 I can identify at least 50 illegals everyday as I drive to work

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 17, 2015 12:39 PM (gf8BH)

208
HEY - did you get my e-mail???

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 17, 2015 12:27 PM (St6BJ)

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Nope...

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at August 17, 2015 12:39 PM (HSmrB)

209 you build walls where it is feasible and use other measures where it isn't."

M-30?

I'm OK with that.

Posted by: anon a mouse at August 17, 2015 12:40 PM (C9pBZ)

210 alot of the guys dont even know about mexican get over here

but some work pretty hard but alot of the other ones dont just

doing crime and what not but not racist if you saying hey what

about get the bad ones out and all the rest but then the good

ones have a door to come back in pretty fair way also jobs

for american not china think about it idiots

#trumpfropresident2015

Posted by: Jose Canseco Eligible Voter at August 17, 2015 12:40 PM (1RNgT)

211 I think many people find some measure of reassurance in the notion that there is a vast Silent Majority that "believes what I believe and therefore will rescue us (meaning 'me')" from the bug-bear du jour. Sort of a mythical tribal identification with a great vague group of like-minded people.

I'm not sure there is such an entity in most cases.

Posted by: The new thoughtful civil Muldoon at August 17, 2015 12:40 PM (NeFrd)

212
Just think if you gave bonuses for deportation of illegal immigrants. You'd see plenty of action then.

Also govt employees who don't identify 5 illegal immigrants per year get fired.

Trump needs to add these to the Sessions Immigration Plan.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 17, 2015 12:40 PM (ODxAs)

213 To answer #52, no, birthright citizenship is not in the Constitution. The Fourteenth Amendment was never intended to create birthright citizenship. See the link in my nick for details, and read the Slaughter-House Cases.

While technically accurate, its irrelevant. Not only are we in a post-constitution nation, but the federal government has decided that the constitution means what courts decide it means no matter what it originally was intended to be.

I mean, we have the Supreme Court ruling on what people meant in a law when they could just ask the guy because it was passed 2 years ago by people who are still alive.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2015 12:41 PM (39g3+)

214 "Privatize deportation. Turn it into a competitive enterprise. Then we'll see."

Fifty bucks a scalp, and we could solve this problem in a month.

Posted by: Qoheleth at August 17, 2015 12:41 PM (iIzG7)

215 So, OT. But I'm going to hang lowish for a bit.
The "Office of Equity" is, according to other students sniffing around our department for reasons undisclosed.

Never good to have the Title NEIN Nazis roaming around. Doubly so if you're a conservative (who at times is... snarky)

Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at August 17, 2015 12:41 PM (U8W/7)

216 H1B regulations say a company has to post a job for a certain period of time before filling it with a foreign worker. Ever see jobs posted on Monster from fortune 500 companies? Virtually all of those jobs are just there to comply with the regulations but will never actually be filled by anyone applying for them.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 17, 2015 12:41 PM (0LHZx)

217 "Unrelated: I've been banned at the local elementary schools for something I f*cking said.'

*Types*

*deletes*

*types*

*deletes*

Gee.....sorry to hear that.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 17, 2015 12:41 PM (VPLuQ)

218 "Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez"

Hey, I saw you on TeleMUNDOOOOO last week, right?

Posted by: anon a mouse at August 17, 2015 12:41 PM (C9pBZ)

219 197
Trump/Cruz 2016

Trump will stay in as long as he can and then bail out when the SJW's release a tape of him calling some rock a n**ger or something.

He will endorse and financially support Cruz. And will own him forever.

The donor class has entered arena.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 17, 2015 12:41 PM (HJqXj)

220 @ 207 - "I can identify at least 50 illegals everyday as I drive to work"

"Illegals" is such an ugly and racist word. Think of them, instead, as "Americans in waiting."

Posted by: The Official, Bona Fide GOP-E at August 17, 2015 12:41 PM (S32rP)

221 It really can't be any worse than Obama.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk
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Pretty low bar, of course, and so you are right. It's like using Windows 1.01 as a standard. Or, a Yugo.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 17, 2015 12:42 PM (9mTYi)

222 Its one thing to say "nobody else is talking about this" but another, far more credulous and foolish thing to say "nobody else will do this."

Fine. Go with his past record. Wait, go with everyones past record. Even those NOT saying anything. What have they done?

Posted by: rickb223 at August 17, 2015 12:42 PM (qBbz7)

223 206 Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 12:39 PM (l2dSQ)

Forgetting Trump's personality, it's the things he's said and how he's said them that have resonated with people.

If any of the other candidates said it, Trump would be nowhere. True that his celebrity gets him in the door big-time. But it's what he says and his attitude that has not only kept him in the race but leading the pack going away.

So far.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 17, 2015 12:42 PM (St6BJ)

224 How long can the media go 24/7 Trump before the Livs get bored with him. We must be about at Peak Trump now. I mean i haven't see a Kardashian in days...

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at August 17, 2015 12:42 PM (/eTPT)

225 If I were Walker, in regards to Trump on immigration, I'd say something along the lines

"Welcome to the party, what took you so long?"

Posted by: Wisrich at August 17, 2015 12:43 PM (hdpay)

226 I've often wondered how so many of the horde have so much time to
post. Are a bunch of you rich and retired, self employed, or just bored
with your job like I am?

Posted by: Blano at August 17, 2015 12:16 PM (w1ewr)

Will you rub some suntan oil on me darling. Rub it in good. Ooooh. Harder. Ooooh...you have such strong hands!

Posted by: Kim Kardashian's Ass at August 17, 2015 12:43 PM (hRytD)

227 214 "Privatize deportation. Turn it into a competitive enterprise. Then we'll see."

Fifty bucks a scalp, and we could solve this problem in a month.
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 17, 2015 12:41 PM (iIzG7

Shades of George Carlin's "Bering Strait theory" with the Indians.

Put them to work filling it in and charge them a buck a head to go home. "Good sound business solution!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 17, 2015 12:43 PM (St6BJ)

228 Hi ACE - U called Trump a bullshit King. other and McConnell are Bullshit Kings. The inside the beltway polititians areBullshit Kings. Don't like him- don't vote for him. The majority of American Citizens want illegals deported.

Posted by: alan stern at August 17, 2015 12:43 PM (cXdIB)

229 So according to the MSM and GOPe media, we are to totally disbelieve everything Trump says he will do. But anything Hillary says she'll do or everything Jeb says he will do....believe all of it.

OK, that makes a lot of sense.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 17, 2015 12:43 PM (0LHZx)

230 Posted by: The new thoughtful civil Muldoon at August 17, 2015 12:40 PM (NeFrd)

And that was Reagan's genius. he created a large group of like-minded Americans, united behind the ideals that he articulated so well.

Trump doesn't articulate any ideals....just angry bluster. That's not a bad thing, but I doubt that it can last.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 17, 2015 12:44 PM (Zu3d9)

231 "And beautiful Kate being murdered in broad daylight on a tourist pier in San Francisco while strolling with her father.
"

I heard his comments on the sunday interview concerning abortion.

To paraphrase....

I saw those five videos, and it changed me.

He absolutely could not be dragged off message on that during the interview.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 17, 2015 12:44 PM (VPLuQ)

232 Any immigration reform plan that does not include Enforcement First including employer sanctions , is not serious.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 17, 2015 12:44 PM (HJqXj)

233 Fine. Go with his past record. Wait, go with everyones past record. Even those NOT saying anything. What have they done?

Nothing. And nobody will do anything. Both parties have very compelling reasons for not fixing immigration and until that changes, nothing will get done, no matter what the rhetoric is. Its possible some presidents will suck less on the topic, but nobody will actually fix the problem.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2015 12:44 PM (39g3+)

234 Am I getting old and cranky or is this the worst set of candidates evah? The only dividing line amongst these guys are whether they are too awful to vote for (Cruz, Walker) or just so horrific that a vote for the demoncrats is justified (Jeb, Fuckabee).

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at August 17, 2015 12:44 PM (ktt8p)

235 "the Constitution"

-----------------

Pshaw, that old thing?

Posted by: The Official, Bona Fide GOP-E at August 17, 2015 12:44 PM (S32rP)

236 Posted by: buzzsaw90 at August 17, 2015 12:42 PM (/eTPT

Labor Day is right around the corner.

Or in the future known as Manual Labor Day

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 17, 2015 12:44 PM (Z58Xa)

237 I am sure it's been mentioned.

For the Trump puppy lovers, here is another gem for you to consider.

Name the only Republican candidate that supports statehood for Washington, DC, which would give the democrats TWO more senators and one more House member.

Come on, think hard. Your "conservative candidate" TRUMP

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 17, 2015 12:45 PM (0FSuD)

238 169 said ...so i should torpedo the nice girl...
What kind of torpedo would you use and do you have here permission in writing?

Posted by: just words at August 17, 2015 12:45 PM (rnH8X)

239 189 JJ. It doesn't matter how he would govern. The DC Establishment is calling the shots.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 17, 2015 12:37 PM (Z58Xa)

True. To a point. I wonder if Trump has a pen and a phone too . . .

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 17, 2015 12:45 PM (St6BJ)

240 No. He employs the techniques of the salesman.

^^^^

Agreed. My husband has been in the car business for sixteen years. When he started out he listened to these tapes by a salesman named Jackie Cooper, and he still re-listens to them regularly to refresh and to train his employees. Hence, I've had to listen to a lot of Jackie Cooper over the years, and while Trump is definitely brash and some of his language comes across as crude, he is absolutely using sales techniques. He assumes the sale from the get-go and most of what he talks about are features and benefits of the product, which psychologically help the customer assume mental and emotional ownership of the product. He's not negotiating or demagogue-ing at all. He's selling you on what he has already assumed you're going to buy.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at August 17, 2015 12:45 PM (KkVB6)

241 "I've often wondered how so many of the horde have so much time to post. Are a bunch of you rich and retired, self employed, or just bored with your job like I am?"

I don't like to mention this, but I am fabulously wealthy.

Posted by: Mr. Doo Doo at August 17, 2015 12:45 PM (OD2ni)

242
214 "Privatize deportation. Turn it into a competitive enterprise. Then we'll see."

Fifty bucks a scalp, and we could solve this problem in a month.
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i'll do it for $25 senor

Posted by: Pedro at August 17, 2015 12:46 PM (/eTPT)

243 HEY - did you get my e-mail???

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 17, 2015 12:27 PM (St6BJ)

---------------------

Nope...

Posted by: Shi de. Xiexie at August 17, 2015 12:46 PM (C9pBZ)

244 Did I say rape again?
I like rape.

Posted by: Donald the Unfiltered at August 17, 2015 12:46 PM (k8tEg)

245 Bottom line, there is no reason to think that Trump is the Savior of All Mankind, but also no reason to think that the normal course of politics is working, especially for the GOP. Why not let Mr. Flamboyant throw a bunch of crapola at the wall and see what sticks? If necessary, the other candidates can then steal it. Like it seems Walker already has.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at August 17, 2015 12:37 PM (ElEyp)

Yep. If you think about it, this is exactly how the Left mainstreams its shit. (For a recent example, the stupid bitch who ran the London Marathon bleeding all over the place.) They find someone who will publicly stake out a hitherto unspeakable position, provoking debate that ultimately shifts the Overton Window, and making it perfectly acceptable to talk about the issue. It's how we got state-sanctioned same-sex "marriages," and how in time we're going to get legalized pederasty unless we experience a sea change in social mores.

So God love Donald Trump for doing yeoman's work in pushing back the sewage tsunami of political correctness. Illegal aliens pose an existential threat not only to the lower socioeconomic strata, but to the philosophical principles underlying American democracy. We don't want government by a caudillo, but that's what we'll get if we don't stop this.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2015 12:46 PM (oKE6c)

246 230 Trump doesn't articulate any ideals....just angry bluster. That's not a bad thing, but I doubt that it can last.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 17, 2015 12:44 PM (Zu3d9)

ANGRY BLUSTER NOT LASTING?!

Posted by: Al Sharptones at August 17, 2015 12:46 PM (St6BJ)

247 Name the only Republican candidate that supports statehood for Washington, DC, which would give the democrats TWO more senators and one more House member.

Come on, think hard. Your "conservative candidate" TRUMP
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 17, 2015 12:45 PM (0FSuD)

________

With Jeb's amnesty plan, the Democrats will get about 30 new Democrat senators for the next 100 years, once all 20 million illegals become legal and 18 million of them register as Democrats.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 17, 2015 12:46 PM (0LHZx)

248 >>that's a way to put it, he has, like Cortez, burned his ships behind him.

Never really liked that Dan Cortez guy.

Posted by: Garrett at August 17, 2015 12:46 PM (ke8fr)

249 I voted for Gore in 2000. I voted for Kerry in 2004. I voted for "Palin" in 2008. I voted for Romney in 2012.

I can guarantee the "other guy" wins. Bidding starts at $1 million dollars.

Posted by: Kate58 at August 17, 2015 12:46 PM (MvtKs)

250
so i should torpedo the nice girl just in from China who started reporting to me this morning?

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at August 17, 2015 12:33 PM (/eTPT)

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I'd hit it...

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at August 17, 2015 12:46 PM (HSmrB)

251 It just blows my mind that we have anti-Trumps', who want us all to pretend like any of the others seriously have something better to offer than Trump just because they have been in Government, many of whom, government is the only thing they have done. The same people who then turn around and complain that the GOP has let everybody down, of which these same people are a part of. Truly is the Twilight Zone!

You can't have it both ways, either you want to go what with the establishment wants or you don't. Make up your mind!

Posted by: Mike Hunt at August 17, 2015 12:47 PM (SJi0a)

252 Why are Cruz and Walker too awful to vote for?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 17, 2015 12:47 PM (OSs/l)

253 Off sewer-lid sock.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 17, 2015 12:47 PM (St6BJ)

254 "Your only talking about 1000 people out of a possible 100+ million. Everyone here could be classified as "lunatic fringe". See Red Rider for theme song."

That song always makes me think of the movie Vision Quest. Now I want to go wrestlle The Shoot.

Posted by: Benji Carver at August 17, 2015 12:47 PM (OD2ni)

255 "Am I getting old and cranky or is this the worst set of candidates evah?"

My memory is still good enough to recall the 1988 Democrat primary. We called those mental midgets "the Seven Dwarfs" for a reason. Yes, half the candidates on the GOP side this cycle are awful, but I only need one good one.

Posted by: Qoheleth at August 17, 2015 12:47 PM (iIzG7)

256 252 Why are Cruz and Walker too awful to vote for?
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 17, 2015 12:47 PM (OSs/l)

Awfully good.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 17, 2015 12:47 PM (St6BJ)

257
Come on, think hard. Your "conservative candidate" TRUMP
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 17, 2015 12:45 PM (0FSu

I'll let you in on a secret Nipster, he's not my conservative candidate. I'm here for the free hot buttered popcorn.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 17, 2015 12:48 PM (Z58Xa)

258 Or, on the other hand: Does this sort of loud, yelly, attention-getting nonsense alienate what someone said in private conversation was the "true heart of the party," the suburban middle-class family-raising sort of person who is in favor of, more than anything, stability and gradualism, because political lurches look especially frightening to someone with a seven year old daughter and a college savings account- Ace

Ace,

I take it you don't have any kids. I don't want my four kids growing up in the country the Dems and GOPe are creating, even if that means they don't go to college or I lose my retirement.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at August 17, 2015 12:48 PM (LXJ1e)

259 With trump on Jury duty today, ya notice there is not much news?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 17, 2015 12:48 PM (gf8BH)

260 255 "Am I getting old and cranky or is this the worst set of candidates evah?"

My memory is still good enough to recall the 1988 Democrat primary. We called those mental midgets "the Seven Dwarfs" for a reason. Yes, half the candidates on the GOP side this cycle are awful, but I only need one good one.
Posted by: Qoheleth at August 17, 2015 12:47 PM (iIzG7)

We have a much better group this time around. It's just that we have more than last time so it tends to drown out the good ones. Which is on purpose.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 17, 2015 12:48 PM (St6BJ)

261 If any of the other candidates said it, Trump would
be nowhere. True that his celebrity gets him in the door big-time. But
it's what he says and his attitude that has not only kept him in the
race but leading the pack going away.
So far.

Posted by: J. J. Sefton at August 17, 2015 12:42 PM

If, if, if. But they haven't and, if past performance is anything to go by, none of them will.

Yes, Trump has roughly 207,653,800 qualities that would, in a perfect world, make him an unattractive candidate. I think even his supporters will agree on that.

On the other hand, looking at the list of people, Democrat and GOPe alike, who suffer uncontrollable bowel movements ever time they hear teh Donald's name, should fill the heart of any rational human with joy.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 17, 2015 12:48 PM (0atQl)

262 244
Did I say rape again?

I like rape.

Posted by: Donald the Unfiltered at August 17, 2015 12:46 PM (k8tEg)

Well, you know some times you have to treat women like shit... 1992 quote, NY Post

Posted by: The Clown Donald at August 17, 2015 12:48 PM (0FSuD)

263 Let's imagine a Trump presidency...

When was the last time a president was able to appoint/hire the people he believes would get a particular job done, instead of having to employ some party hack or contributor's relative?

When is the last time there was someone in the White House who had experience in demanding performance from his underlings?

Successful presidents present bold visions and sell the dream to the public. Trump is skilled at that.

Posted by: jwest at August 17, 2015 12:49 PM (P/xrJ)

264 Mainly immigration disqualifies Cruz and Walker for me.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at August 17, 2015 12:49 PM (ktt8p)

265 "Or in the future known as Manual Labor Day."

Here in Southern California, it's spelled 'Manuel Labor,' and he can be found in the parking lot of the Home Depot.

Posted by: Qoheleth at August 17, 2015 12:49 PM (iIzG7)

266 If we are in a period of Idiocracy, which many of thought we were, then you're going to want to run a Hector Mountain Dew Camacho type candidate.

When will Starbucks start with the handjobs?

Posted by: wooga at August 17, 2015 12:49 PM (YJyyQ)

267 OT: The natives are restless. John McCain gets run off Navajo land.

http://tinyurl.com/nbbqjtq

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 17, 2015 12:49 PM (XUKZU)

268

Keep in mind that Trump has yet to turn his efforts to winning over voters at large in a general election.
Currently he's focused on winning over conservatives and Republicans to secure the nomination.

But if Teh Don is the nominee: he will be competent and effective at winning over moderate and squish voters.

He knows how to get people's attention. He knows how to be entertaining. AND HE KNOWS HOW TO DISARM ANY BULLSHIT BEING SAID ABOUT HIM. - Without the slightest taint of embarrassment, he addresses it head on in plain spoken fashion. (Damn, I really have become a Trump supporter!)

So, yes, Trump can definitely win in the general election.
He's a HELL of a lot more attractive candidate than Hillary is. - AND SHE CAN'T OUTSPEND HIM.
Rather, Trump will bury her in campaign spending.

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 12:49 PM (l2dSQ)

269 I'm here for the free hot buttered popcorn."

Whoo Hooo! Is that before or after the free beer tomorrow?

Posted by: anon a mouse at August 17, 2015 12:49 PM (C9pBZ)

270 Yeah I'd hit it but first I'd have to beat her up a little.

Posted by: Donald the Unfiltered at August 17, 2015 12:49 PM (k8tEg)

271 "For right now, I'm just enjoying Trump making all the elites in both parties squirm and squirm."

Considering that Ionce called Reagan supporters Kamikaze Republicans, you should take my advice about how awful Trump is.

Posted by: George Will at August 17, 2015 12:50 PM (OD2ni)

272 "I'm here for the free hot buttered popcorn."

*Looks at change for a $20.00, and a small box of cold plain popcorn*

Wait...what!!!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 17, 2015 12:50 PM (VPLuQ)

273 264 Mainly immigration disqualifies Cruz and Walker for me.
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at August 17, 2015 12:49 PM (ktt8p)

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In what way?

Posted by: Wisrich at August 17, 2015 12:50 PM (hdpay)

274 239 189 JJ. It doesn't matter how he would govern. The DC Establishment is calling the shots.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 17, 2015 12:37 PM (Z58Xa)
True. To a point. I wonder if Trump has a pen and a phone too . . .
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 17, 2015 12:45 PM (St6BJ)

But how does the DC Establishment call the shots? In essence, it exerts social pressure by those seeking its approval. (See, e.g., the social structure of high school girls.) Someone who is willing to just blow it out with them, publicly call them out, ruthlessly slaughter sacred cows for sacred cowburgers, and unceremoniously fire people who cause problems, the DC Establishment will run like rabbits.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2015 12:50 PM (oKE6c)

275 70% of Americans want LEGAL immigration reduced.

Look, everyone on this blog knows I was devastated by 2012 and was all in for Rubio until that gang of eight shit.

Has no one noticed what happened in the debates. They totally took Walker out, but they also took Rubio out with that "exceptions" question. He volunteered it!!

It's like I'm watching the twilight zone or something. The Huckabee "I'm going to arrest every woman that thinks about having an abortion" position is psychotic in the general.

Walker, Rubio and Huckabee are done done done. It saddens me because I like Walker ok.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 17, 2015 12:50 PM (q5APL)

276
What are the laws of Mexico concerning immigration to their country?

Why should we not have those laws too?

Posted by: Arbalest at August 17, 2015 12:50 PM (FlRtG)

277 "Trump will stay in as long as he can and then bail out when the SJW's release a tape of him calling some rock a n**ger or something.

He will endorse and financially support Cruz. And will own him forever.

The donor class has entered arena."

That's stupid. He's bought and controlled politicians before he doesn't need to go through all this just to buy some politicians who are already for sale. It's just dumb.

Trump is in it to win it. He likes winning. Being successful is in his DNA. He's running away with it, there is no reason he's stop now.

I doubt Cruz makes it past NH and Florida. He'll need that sweet donor money to be bought off with to continue.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 17, 2015 12:51 PM (jSTDs)

278 @ 252 - "Why are Cruz and Walker too awful to vote for?"

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Because they're not Bush and Kasich, old chap.

Posted by: The Official, Bona Fide GOP-E at August 17, 2015 12:51 PM (S32rP)

279 "Bidding starts at $1 million dollars."

I have a very large bet going already. The original bet was that Obama would win a second term and Hillary would follow him as President, but that bet doesn't pay yet, because it was a two part deal.

If Hillary runs, she wins. If this happens I make a lot of money. I hope I lose!

Posted by: Mike Hunt at August 17, 2015 12:51 PM (SJi0a)

280 "Am I getting old and cranky or is this the worst set of candidates evah?"

Carly! of course

Cruz
Walker
Jindall
maybe Rubio

That's a pretty good slate, there's just a lot of noise in the signal.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at August 17, 2015 12:51 PM (JtwS4)

281
Posted by: Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez
...........................
Hola Tuco! Que paso amigo?

Posted by: Manuel Labor at August 17, 2015 12:51 PM (wAQA5)

282 Walker is too good to be true. Cruz isn't pretty enough to win without RNC support.

Posted by: untrusting at August 17, 2015 12:51 PM (1uTkE)

283
What kind of torpedo would you use and do you have here permission in writing?
---
The Mark LXIX heat seeking deep penetrator

Posted by: Pedro at August 17, 2015 12:52 PM (/eTPT)

284 Am I getting old and cranky or is this the worst set of candidates evah?

They're the best overall set I've seen in my lifetime. Think back. We had Reagan in 1980, but the rest running at that time were not so hot:
George Bush
Howard Baker
John Anderson
John Connally
Bob Dole
Phil Crane (??)
Harold Stassen

Every other year we had a batch of nobodies and bozos. I mean, Dole and McCain and Romney and George Bush the younger were the best of the lot??

There's never been a lineup as good as this for the GOP in my lifetime. The problem is our standards are sky high because the nation is in such a disastrous state and we're so tired of their BS.

But imagine having these as our choices, as in 1996:

Bob Dole
Pat Buchanan
Lamar Alexander
Robert Dornan
Dick Lugar
Steve Forbes
Phil Gramm
Alan Keyes

Its been ugly in the past. Reeeeaaal ugly.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2015 12:52 PM (39g3+)

285 274 Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2015 12:50 PM (oKE6c)

Electorally, the parties hold a lot of influence. Governmentally, the regulator alphabet soup of agencies control our live.

Chopping that down to size is a big challenge.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 17, 2015 12:52 PM (St6BJ)

286 Or in the future known as Manual Labor Day

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian

*****

¡Viva Manuel Labor!

Posted by: The new thoughtful civil Muldoon at August 17, 2015 12:52 PM (NeFrd)

287 We have one local company that relocated manufacturing to Mexico and then came back. Turns out the cost of labor isn't that low. They have strong unions in Me-He-Co. Also, bribe and graft typically don't show up on business plans.
Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 17, 2015 12:34 PM (5buP

Then whoever did the research on the move for that company was a complete idiot. In Mexico, the requisite bribery of nearly everyone up and down the societal scale is called 'La Mordida', the Bite. I read an article fairly recently where Mexican cops don't become cops to be cops; they become cops because the opportunities for graft are so plentiful (and profitable).

Posted by: troyriser at August 17, 2015 12:52 PM (XHR9b)

288 Did I say rape again?

I like rape.

Posted by: Donald the Unfiltered at August 17, 2015 12:46 PM (k8tEg)

From WZ, Kerry's snooty alma mater has a custom known as the senior salute in which seniors are expected to take a freshman's virginity before graduation. The guy is a class act all the way down.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 17, 2015 12:52 PM (XUKZU)

289 there's a good post on Trump applying his negotiating skills to politics entitled ......... 'Clown Genius'. Relax, the title is Highly Ironic; the article shows how Trump his having his way with the media

at Dark Enlightenment

otherwise, we're all gonna die, man

Posted by: Pvt Hudson at August 17, 2015 12:53 PM (8CdUx)

290 267 OT: The natives are restless. John McCain gets run off Navajo land.

http://tinyurl.com/nbbqjtq

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 17, 2015 12:49 PM (XUKZU)

In a perfect world he'd get run out of the country.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 17, 2015 12:53 PM (oFCZn)

291 284 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2015 12:52 PM (39g3+)

Dornan, Forbes and Keyes are actually decent guys and fairly conservative. Their personality quirks are something else entirely.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 17, 2015 12:53 PM (St6BJ)

292 263 Let's imagine a Trump presidency...
Posted by: jwest

I can understand someone saying they support Trump because it settles a score with the GOPe, but I don't understand people that think he can actually win or even come close to being the actual President.

Everyone on Earth knows Trumps stance on the border by now, yet he still loses by something like 20-30 points to Hillary in every single poll.

If this issue is so powerful and can overcome such a deeply flawed candidate, how come it hasn't shown up in polling?

Posted by: Coolio at August 17, 2015 12:53 PM (WJtOf)

293 political lurches look especially frightening

So this is really about Kerry, then?
Can't see that man without hearing ragtime played on a harpsichord.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at August 17, 2015 12:53 PM (xq1UY)

294
Trump is America's version of "El Jefe". His appeal is to those who have forgotten how to think for themselves. Unfortunately that includes too many on our side of the aisle.

Posted by: Levin at August 17, 2015 12:53 PM (uGiHE)

295 In essence, it exerts social pressure by those seeking its approval. (See, e.g., the social structure of high school girls.)

You've just identified the inside-the-beltway mentality. It's the mean girls club writ large, and will melt away at the first sign of pushback - a concept that most people understand, but is beyond the GOPe and such.

Posted by: anon a mouse at August 17, 2015 12:53 PM (C9pBZ)

296 259 With trump on Jury duty today, ya notice there is not much news?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 17, 2015 12:48 PM (gf8BH)

You're right!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2015 12:53 PM (oKE6c)

297 Posted by: Coolio at August 17, 2015 12:53 PM (WJtOf)

Whom do you support that can beat Hillary?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 17, 2015 12:54 PM (OSs/l)

298
No other candidate can say any of this because they will lose donors.

Trump can say all this because he has FU money. I seriously doubt that he is screening all of his workers to insure that they are not illegal. He will believe in Immigration as long as it benefits his campaign.

Follow the money.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 17, 2015 12:54 PM (HJqXj)

299
Godfrey Elwick is closing his account. He is going back to his old account called spongypissflaps

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 17, 2015 12:55 PM (iQIUe)

300
So Teh Ewok only mildly hated this movie. Good to know.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 17, 2015 12:55 PM (xcrCh)

301 Well, you know some times you have to treat women like shit...

And sometimes you have to treat men like that, too. There's a time for everything. And judging by far too many women out there, the time for treating them awful is "when you want to get laid."

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2015 12:55 PM (39g3+)

302
I'll let you in on a secret Nipster, he's not my conservative candidate. I'm here for the free hot buttered popcorn.
---
that's not butter...

Posted by: hustler forum at August 17, 2015 12:55 PM (/eTPT)

303 OT

A friend of a relative has written a book that is free on Kindle today.

The book is "Unidentified" and the author is Mikel Wisler. I have downloaded it but not read it. In any event, the price is right.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at August 17, 2015 12:55 PM (QHgTq)

304 OK I'm old and cranky but at least Eisenhower deported a bunch of illegals.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at August 17, 2015 12:55 PM (ktt8p)

305 so i should torpedo the nice girl just in from China who started reporting to me this morning?

And By "Torpedo" you mean .....

Posted by: Paladin at August 17, 2015 12:56 PM (4kpbt)

306 Trump is America's version of "El Jefe". His appeal is to those who have forgotten how to think for themselves. Unfortunately that includes too many on our side of the aisle.

Posted by: Levin at August 17, 2015 12:53 PM (uGiHE)

Yea, I hardly ever have an original thought.
Thanks for playing!

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at August 17, 2015 12:56 PM (R8hU8)

307 ''''''heat seeking deep penetrator

heh. Everything is politics, and politics is Everything

Posted by: Pvt Hudson at August 17, 2015 12:56 PM (8CdUx)

308 Remember: The best marks think they're in on the con.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 17, 2015 12:56 PM (2l5vw)

309 not knocking him. I am enjoying his campaign of GOP/e and Dem pain!

Also ace is dead on re: the Overton Window.

Trump is the only candidate that can move it at this point.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 17, 2015 12:56 PM (HJqXj)

310 @294 - "Trump is America's version of "El Jefe". His appeal is to those who have forgotten how to think for themselves. Unfortunately that includes too many on our side of the aisle."

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I see you got our talking points memo for today. Keep up the good work!

Posted by: The Official, Bona Fide GOP-E at August 17, 2015 12:56 PM (S32rP)

311 Let's see let me review my policies.

1) Single payer health insurance, aka Canada, yep

2) One time 15% tax on ALL assets including your home, Yep

3) Build wall, yep

4) For abortion or wait, against abortion, huh?

5) For statehood for Washington, DC. yep

6) Legalize drug sales, yep

7) Same sex marriage, yep

Support assault weapon ban, yep

Gosh, darn, trying to remember my "other" conservative positions. They'll come to me.

Posted by: The Clown Donald at August 17, 2015 12:56 PM (0FSuD)

312 He employs the techniques of the salesman.

Scott "Dilbert" Adams made that point on his blog. No linky, because I forgot where I saw it.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 17, 2015 12:56 PM (zF6Iw)

313 I've always wondered.

If 'awe-some' is good, shouldn't 'aw-full' be even better?

Posted by: The new thoughtful civil Muldoon at August 17, 2015 12:57 PM (NeFrd)

314 "I'm here for the free hot buttered popcorn."

Totally OT...

My wife and I were in Columbus, OH last week and spent a day at Easton Town Center.

Wow. What a mall.

During the day, we decided to go see the new Mission Impossible movie at the IMAX theater. Because neither one of us had been in a movie theater in 30 years, we didn't know what to expect.

The movie was good but the experience sucked. What is IMAX suppose to be? A big screen and really, really loud sound?

Posted by: jwest at August 17, 2015 12:57 PM (P/xrJ)

315 Yeah the Elfwick account was only effective as long as people weren't in on the joke. Now he can't accomplish what he wanted in mocking and drawing attention to how ridiculous and absurd the left is.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2015 12:57 PM (39g3+)

316 Scott "Dilbert" Adams made that point on his blog. No linky, because I forgot where I saw it.

It's on the dump...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 17, 2015 12:57 PM (2l5vw)

317 I hate

this idea that Trump and everyone who supports him is angry! Have you listened to the guy? Watched the interviews? Hannity? Hewitt? Levin? Sunday talk shows? I don't see the anger. Nationalism is not anger. Unfortunately, most on the on the left and many on the right make it out to be. I want this country to be great, a force for good in the world, militarily and financially. I'm sick of seeing our leaders grovel and cow to murderous dictators around the world. Is that some sort of irrational anger? Joke.

Posted by: IdahoMatt at August 17, 2015 12:57 PM (SgYQy)

318 The final effect is it is driving the GOP candidates in a direction they would not otherwise navigate.

The candidates have a great fascination and therefore cowed perspective when it comes to Hispanics. But they forget that not all Hispanics agree with illegal immigration.

They also forget a vast majority of the electorate is non- Hispanic. Those people are kinda pissed off that illegal immigrants and "Hispanics" are getting the most attentions while normal, everyday voters who can't make ends meet are getting lip service and the shaft.

You can cow people in public to sing a certain tune. But in private polls and the voting booth, they will react to serve their own best interests.

It hilarious- that's how Obama got elected- twice. Heck we even kid about the "free shit" that really represents a vast part of the reason people vote for Democrats.

But when it comes to Republicans, they think a bunch of platitudes, niceties and pathos appeals will suffice. Which is why Republicans don't get elected POTUS.

Politics is a war of attrition and for the last two POTUS cycles we've played shuffleboard.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 17, 2015 12:58 PM (GGCsk)

319
Pinging out to comment #271.

Oh damn, I am laughing my ass off at that!

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 12:58 PM (l2dSQ)

320 Everyone on Earth knows Trumps stance on the border
by now, yet he still loses by something like 20-30 points to Hillary in
every single poll.

If this issue is so powerful and can overcome such a deeply flawed candidate, how come it hasn't shown up in polling?

Posted by: Coolio at August 17, 2015 12:53 PM (WJtOf)

read them polls again, dipsh*t. The ones in English, too

Posted by: Pvt Hudson at August 17, 2015 12:58 PM (8CdUx)

321 I have downloaded it but not read it.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at August 17, 2015 12:55 PM (QHgTq)

Ah, the agony of the self-published author

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 17, 2015 12:58 PM (Tnmav)

322 More than 300 liberal American rabbis wrote members of Congress Monday urging them to support the international nuclear deal with Iran, signaling the US Jewish community is split over the historic but controversial accord.

Ah fuck you. They are also called Rent-A-Rabbis since they also marry Jews to non-Jews in JINO ceremonies. A shanda. And they shouldall drop dead on Tisha B'Av

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 17, 2015 12:58 PM (gf8BH)

323 "Bottom line is Trump will say anything that he thinks is popular at the time. When he floated his trial ballon in 2011 he was all over the birther crap because he thought the nation was calling for that. He was wrong."

He was all over the birther crap because it's not crap. He's telling the truth. Again. The birth certificate is forged. Fact. He has not changed his tune. His beliefs are still the same.

He was overall testing the waters and for a presidential run and decided not to run in 2012. It had nothing to do with the birther issue. He's actually quite right to have waited. After eight years of Obama people are dying to give him a chance. All his faults look charming by comparison to Obama and the establishment.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 17, 2015 12:58 PM (jSTDs)

324 Either way, I expect it to be clarifying, and to bring new facts to the table.

And that's good, because personally I'm tired of hearing all the yelling.

Far be it from me to say I am anti-yelling, but, yes, this.

I've noticed a pronounced trend recently that it is somehow verbotten to say "I don't know" when one does not know something. There's nothing wrong with saying I don't know when you, get this, don't know. That's how you learn. You note that this is an area about which I do not have information and I would like information about this so that I can make an informed decision.

Saying I don't know doesn't mean the speaker is stupid. It means the speaker doesn't know.

Having just praised empirical data, now let me set out my complete and total wag on how this will play with the great squishy middle class.

I think it will play quite well indeed. Why? Because people are sick of being told it's racist to be angry when those who come to this country refuse to learn any English at all and then those people get mad at US citizens for not knowing Spanish.

Because the H1B visa matter is a middle to upper middle class issue for people (men) who played by the rules and got the STEM degree and gave up being home with the family to get ahead only to have to train their own replacements who do the job for half the pay and a tenth of the competence.

Because parents (mothers) know all about how Mexican Polio is in our schools.

There's a very large undercurrent of hey I am upset about this and I'm sick of being told that I just have to put up with not being able to go to WalMart on Saturday if I don't want to feel like I've been dropped in the middle of South America.

Again, that's just a wag, so I will try not to be overly emotionally invested when all y'all attempt to contradict me and prove how wrong you are.

Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at August 17, 2015 12:59 PM (mf5HN)

325 I still expect him to be consumed during the electoral process.

But it's gonna be fun as hell to watch in the meantime.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 17, 2015 12:38 PM (VPLuQ)

My point all along. Trump will probably flame out, so just sit back and enjoy the show.

If he makes it into the primaries, then it's decision time. 'Til then, just enjoy.

To his credit, he's finally said the one thing I've been waiting for from a candidate I'd vote for: "they all must go."

Posted by: Blano at August 17, 2015 12:59 PM (w1ewr)

326 he DC Establishment will run like rabbits.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2015 12:50 PM (oKE6c)

You think the shysters on K Street, Reid, McConnell, Boehner, Pelosi, DNC and RNC are going to run like rabbits? Really? I don't think so Jay

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 17, 2015 01:00 PM (Z58Xa)

327 Vote Trump!: it's probably the only way to ever get congress to do anything about the executive power grabs and overreach.

Posted by: Buzzion at August 17, 2015 01:00 PM (z/Ubi)

328 Whom do you support that can beat Hillary?
Posted by: FenelonSpok

I honestly think several of the candidates can actually beat Hillary: Scott Walker, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Carly Fiorina, Rand Paul etc.

I don't think these candidates are perfect, but could they beat Hillary? Absolutely. Many of them are beating her right now in certain key states in polling.

And Trump is far from a "perfect conservative", the guy proudly supports socialized medicine and is " really, really" pro-choice.

So if I'm going to get a flawed candidate, I fail to see what it good it does for conservatives to have a deeply flawed candidate that ALSO loses a landslide to Hillary.

Posted by: Coolio at August 17, 2015 01:00 PM (WJtOf)

329 "I don't think anything about it. I am collecting information."

And this is the proper course, this early in the process.

Posted by: rebel flounder at August 17, 2015 01:00 PM (Vf5rR)

330 If I had to describe Mr. Trump's political stance I would call him...

...a crony liberconservatrarian.

Posted by: The new thoughtful civil Muldoon at August 17, 2015 01:00 PM (NeFrd)

331 Ace:

"It is not possible to get further to the restrictionist side of things than Trump. He has staked out his ground there, and he is alone there. No one else has called for such sweeping -- some would say "punitive," Democrats will undoubtedly say "racist"..."

Donald just played the Trump Card on their Race Card.

Some say politics is like poker. Others say chess.

Nah. Politics is bridge.

For the GOP nomination, I bid 17 Clowns!

Posted by: zombie at August 17, 2015 01:01 PM (jBuUi)

332 I don't fault the commenters and cobs that don't like or trust teh Donald.

But I resent the hell out of those who are calling others stupid for supporting him.

The MSM and Dems are getting free propaganda work out of you bitches.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 17, 2015 01:01 PM (HJqXj)

333 Why all of the concern about people that support Trump?
If he is a clown and unworthy of your support then he will fail, because you and only you know the right candidate. Amirite?

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at August 17, 2015 01:01 PM (R8hU8)

334 McCain run off the reservation? How in the hell could he even be going in there without carrying an EPA angle with him? Who does his research, Meggie?

Under the circumstances, were the EPA administrator currently staked out in the sun with wet leather wrapped around wrists and angles, I couldn't call it "wrong."

A lot of Indian complaints are agitated phony BS. This? Ain't.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at August 17, 2015 01:02 PM (xq1UY)

335 Posted by: Coolio at August 17, 2015 01:00 PM (WJtOf)

hmmmmmm. You seem concerned

Posted by: Pvt Hudson at August 17, 2015 01:02 PM (8CdUx)

336 More than 300 liberal American rabbis wrote members of Congress Monday urging them to support the international nuclear deal with Iran.

Yeah there are some really suicidal American Jews out there. Really hard to believe they are Jewish at all except in vague ethnicity.

My point all along. Trump will probably flame out, so just sit back and enjoy the show.

Yep, I'm expecting the same thing. It should be quite spectacular and amusing too. Its a long ways before even the first primary vote.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2015 01:02 PM (39g3+)

337
Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at August 17, 2015 12:59 PM (mf5HN

Was that just a WAG or a SWAG?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 17, 2015 01:02 PM (Z58Xa)

338 Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 17, 2015 12:58 PM (gf8BH)

J Street? Because the reason I left our old synagogue is now a high mucky-muck with them.

Jews: Our own worst enemy.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 17, 2015 01:02 PM (Zu3d9)

339 Deport Them. All of them. Start with Hector's sorry ass and his lousy wife too.

Posted by: maddogg at August 17, 2015 01:03 PM (xWW96)

340 Seriously, if Donald Trump won the nomination and then named Bruce Jenner as his running mate, that ticket would get 80% of the national vote.

Posted by: zombie at August 17, 2015 01:03 PM (jBuUi)

341 Yep, I'm expecting the same thing. It should be quite spectacular and amusing too. Its a long ways before even the first primary vote.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor

Yeah and Iowa and New Hampshire have such a track record of electing the eventual winners

NOT

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 17, 2015 01:03 PM (Z58Xa)

342 When Romney was running for President I was locked in a hotel room studying early voting returns in Nevada. I was in Vegas!!! I wasn't fucking whores or gambling drunk, I was READING EARLY VOTING RETURNS and scouring blogs, like this one, endlessly.

For all the Trump jokes/hero worshipping, what I have been trying to SHOULD ABOUT and wake people up about is that he is playing fucking three dimensional chess.

He is gaming the ENTIRE system. Laughing at them while he does it. Oh you want to bring up his inconsistencies about Romney's comments about "self-deportation".

DO YOU NOT REALIZE THAT THIS HIGHLIGHTS THAT HE ACTUALLY CARES!!! ABOUT ILLEGALS, right as his official policy position is that they're GOING HOME.

Folks, we are witnessing a master level of politics played here that is unbelievable.

Why I've been so focused on it for a while. Again, I'm a Cruz guy all the way. I don't think he can win.

Trump
2016

Posted by: prescient11 at August 17, 2015 01:03 PM (q5APL)

343 *applauds AtC*

Posted by: anon a mouse at August 17, 2015 01:04 PM (C9pBZ)

344 The title of the thread mocks Trump. But in fact his proposal is the most specific and the boldest offered to date.

Ben Shapiro provides a good analysis.

http://tinyurl.com/ngp8bjb

Posted by: rrpjr at August 17, 2015 01:04 PM (s/yC1)

345 I resent the hell out of those who are calling others stupid for supporting him.

I don't think anyone is stupid for supporting him. But you're a colossal fool if you beleive him.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2015 01:04 PM (39g3+)

346 If the rest of the GOP takes even a fraction of this platform to heart, the whole Trump trainwreck will have been worth it.

I especially like the end of birthright citizenship, already it looks like Walker is picking that up.

Posted by: McAdams at August 17, 2015 01:04 PM (nq/J2)

347 Because the H1B visa matter is a middle to upper middle class issue for
people (men) who played by the rules and got the STEM degree and gave up
being home with the family to get ahead only to have to train their own
replacements who do the job for half the pay and a tenth of the
competence.

Because parents (mothers) know all about how Mexican Polio is in our schools.

There's a very large undercurrent of hey I am upset about this and
I'm sick of being told that I just have to put up with not being able to
go to WalMart on Saturday if I don't want to feel like I've been
dropped in the middle of South America.

I am in awe.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 17, 2015 01:05 PM (HJqXj)

348 Vote Trump!: it's probably the only way to ever get congress to do anything about the executive power grabs and overreach.
Posted by: Buzzion at August 17, 2015 01:00 PM (z/Ubi)

*flamethrows*

HOW DARE YOU COME UP WITH A GOOD REASON TO VOTE FOR TRUMP!

Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at August 17, 2015 01:05 PM (mf5HN)

349 Electorally, the parties hold a lot of influence. Governmentally, the regulator alphabet soup of agencies control our live.
Chopping that down to size is a big challenge.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 17, 2015 12:52 PM (St6BJ)

Absolutely true. But who nominates the heads of those agencies? And who comprises the employees of those agencies? I'd say bureaucrat drones looking ultimately for their pensions. Change the guy at the top and they'll get in line, or get out, driven out by the stress. (See, e.g., conservatives in academia.)

For example, consider how much different things would look right now if we had a competent loyal American as Attorney General. (I know - what an imagination I've got, right?) Lerner, Rangel, Bergdahl, etc. would be making license plates, Hillary would be shitting herself, the list goes on and on.

And as for the party, it just wants to win. Same thing with the donor class; they're looking for baksheesh, and want to back a winner, because that's the only scenario in which they have influence. Anyone who backs a loser instantly becomes an unperson, and they know it.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2015 01:05 PM (oKE6c)

350
I don't think anyone is stupid for supporting him. But you're a colossal fool if you beleive him.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2015 01:04 PM (39g3+

substitute "him" for any candidate

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 17, 2015 01:05 PM (Z58Xa)

351
The Adams article is very interesting.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 17, 2015 01:05 PM (9mTYi)

352 But isn't birthright citizenship in the Constitution???

Posted by: zombie at August 17, 2015 01:05 PM (jBuUi)

353 I'm thinking the fact that he went to Sessions means he's serious.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 17, 2015 01:05 PM (oFCZn)

354 I don't think anyone is stupid for supporting him. But you're a colossal fool if you beleive him.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2015 01:04 PM (39g3+)

That's a little too clever for me.

Posted by: rrpjr at August 17, 2015 01:06 PM (s/yC1)

355
By the way, I am in love with (and somehow living successfully with) a far left woman. You can't get much further left than my girlfriend. (And if you can, it's probably only because I MIGHT have managed to move her a fraction of an inch away from full on supporting socialism.)

Anyway, do you want to guess the GOP candidate that currently worries her the most?

At first it was Cruz - but that was a while ago.

She is terrified of Donald Trump. And I think that's because it's too easy for her to imagine him beating Hillary in the general.

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 01:06 PM (l2dSQ)

356 Again, that's just a wag, so I will try not to be overly emotionally invested when all y'all attempt to contradict me and prove how wrong you are.

Posted by: alexthechick

Wouldn't dare try to correct you. Would add to it, but not correct you.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 17, 2015 01:06 PM (qBbz7)

357 I don't think anyone is stupid for supporting him. But you're a colossal fool if you believe ~~him~~any politician.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2015 01:04 PM (39g3+)

FIFY.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2015 01:07 PM (oKE6c)

358 "The Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution states that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Tell me: How is Trump going to repeal the 14th Amendment?

Posted by: zombie at August 17, 2015 01:07 PM (jBuUi)

359 Hillary flames out, Bill says okay I will run again.

Who would stop him? What are you going to do, take it to court? Like you have standing. hahahaha

Posted by: blaster at August 17, 2015 01:07 PM (2Ocf1)

360 I didn't see J Street mentioned in this article, but LIberal Reform Jews....hardly Jews anyway.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 17, 2015 01:07 PM (gf8BH)

361 Trump

2016

Posted by: prescient11 at August 17, 2015 01:03 PM (q5APL)

the 'Clown Genius' article is at blog.dilbert.com. and Dark Enlightenment

Trump is using sales and negotiation techniques at the national political level. So far, it's working...

Posted by: Pvt Hudson at August 17, 2015 01:07 PM (8CdUx)

362 the DC Establishment will run like rabbis.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2015 12:50 PM (oKE6c)

*****

Clasping their yarmulkes atop their heads?

Posted by: The new thoughtful civil Muldoon at August 17, 2015 01:08 PM (NeFrd)

363 Was that just a WAG or a SWAG?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 17, 2015 01:02 PM (Z58Xa)

Well, I am wearing glasses so it's Totes Scientific.

Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at August 17, 2015 01:08 PM (mf5HN)

364 substitute "him" for any candidate

Yeah, they're all politicians, in the end. You just have to choose the one you think will suck the least. Even the guys that I think were genuinely trying to do right and decent deep down like Bush the younger end up betraying you and doing dumb stuff.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2015 01:08 PM (39g3+)

365 This is what we want. Make everyone play by the rules. Full American employment before we import more workers. How come it takes Trump to get this out.

Posted by: Iblis at August 17, 2015 01:08 PM (9221z)

366 Harsh and extreme is fine with me.

While we're at it, let's also round up and deport the politicians who refuse to enforce existing laws.

Posted by: rickl at August 17, 2015 01:09 PM (zoehZ)

367 362 Oy vhey.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 17, 2015 01:09 PM (Ar4XM)

368 Clasping their yarmulkes atop their heads?
Posted by: The new thoughtful civil Muldoon at August 17, 2015 01:08 PM

I think what he meant to say was "run like rabids."

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 17, 2015 01:09 PM (0atQl)

369 He also wants to reform the H-1B process, so that the work visas are not used (as they are often alleged to be used) to recruit cheaper younger foreign tech workers to replace older more expensive American ones.
***
Simple solution - make H1Bs cost around $100k. . Right now they only cost about $5k. So if an American salary for a job would be say $90k and a foreigner will take $60k, companies can immediately save a ton of money...

If you really can't hire an American for the job, by all means bring someone in from abroad. But putting a hefty cost on it would immediately end companies using it as a way to pay less then the going rate in America...

Posted by: 18-1 at August 17, 2015 01:09 PM (5LOno)

370 I think Trump appeals to LIVs - in fact, I know it. I know several people who are relatively apolitical who like Trump.

But to say that he appeals to LIVs is not to say only stupid people could support him. Obama appeals to LIVs, and some smart people bought into it, too.

Posted by: blaster at August 17, 2015 01:09 PM (2Ocf1)

371 I'm so in love with Trumps immigration proposals, I want to have its anchor babies.

Posted by: SusieQ Public at August 17, 2015 01:09 PM (mysAS)

372 I smell the end of Bitch McConnel and Sobby Boner's rule.

Posted by: maddogg at August 17, 2015 01:09 PM (xWW96)

373 Tell me: How is Trump going to repeal the 14th Amendment?
Posted by: zombie

The Amendment was clearly written for slaves born in the US, it's a Civil War Amendment.

And any President can ignore the wrong interpretation just like Obama does but in the other direction, and simply deport them all and let them come up with the money to fight it in court.

Eventually the 3rd world will get the message.

Posted by: Coolio at August 17, 2015 01:10 PM (WJtOf)

374 Tell me: How is Trump going to repeal the 14th Amendment?

Or Walker, for that matter.

Again: the president of the USA does not control congress. They are not the ones who original bills. All they can do is suggest and lobby congress to take action.

Every presidential campaign is about what each candidate would do if he was king of congress and had them all on puppet strings. That's nonsense. I wish candidates would run on what they would do AS PRESIDENT.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2015 01:10 PM (39g3+)

375 But you're a colossal fool if you beleive <s>him</s> <u>any politician</u>.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2015 01:04 PM (39g3+)

Posted by: rebel flounder at August 17, 2015 01:10 PM (Vf5rR)

376
Tell me: How is Trump going to repeal the 14th Amendment?
Posted by: zombie
____________________________________________

That's my question as well. What gives the president the power to stop a bastardized enforcement of the 14th?

Posted by: Countrysquire at August 17, 2015 01:11 PM (eEBON)

377 Posted by: The Clown Donald at August 17, 2015 12:56 PM (0FSuD)

Facts don't matter.People who support Trump aren't doing so because the man possesses the nobility of Washington, the intellect of Jefferson, the resolve of Lincoln, or the cool of Coolidge. They're supporting Trump because it tweaks the nose of the GOP Establishment.

I'm guessing much of Trump's support will fade as we approach the primary elections. If his support doesn't fade and Trump wins the GOPnomination and runs against Hillary in the general, he'll lose. The women's vote--which he will continue to alienate--ensures he will lose. Watch: any day now a female reporter will ask this thin-skinned man-boy either a hard or a vaguely insulting War On Women question, and he'll go off on her in one of his famous, unscripted moments. He can't help himself. Because asshole.

Posted by: troyriser at August 17, 2015 01:11 PM (XHR9b)

378 You can also charge the hell out of the parents of anchor babies and deport them instantly, end chain migration.

So if an anchor baby comes forward to demand their citizenship, their families are instantly arrested and deported.

Posted by: Coolio at August 17, 2015 01:11 PM (WJtOf)

379 Beck will be spazzing over this. What's he gonna do with a warehouse full of teddy-bears and soccer balls?

Posted by: Soona at August 17, 2015 01:12 PM (P25Hh)

380 The best write up so far on the Trump effect and yeah. It all started way before Trump.

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=230492

Posted by: Drider at August 17, 2015 01:12 PM (DNFK1)

381 "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof"

Missed that part?

Posted by: anon a mouse at August 17, 2015 01:13 PM (C9pBZ)

382
Tell me: How is Trump going to repeal the 14th Amendment?

Posted by: zombie

It draws attention away from the fact that if the current immigration laws were enforced, INCLUDING EMPLOYER SANCTIONS , no change to the 14th would be necessary.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 17, 2015 01:13 PM (HJqXj)

383 What is so often unfortunate is that we collect information about someone after they have been elected as well and sometime it turns out they were, get this, lying.

How do you get around this....you don't completely. If Trump really is serious about what he would do regarding illegal immigration, then he would be one of the very few big business guys who would actually want this.

Posted by: Cheri at August 17, 2015 01:13 PM (oiNtH)

384
Mexican Polio:

The hangover after a night of drinking tequila and copping feels on prostitutes.

zzup, AtC?

Posted by: Burt Reynolds at August 17, 2015 01:13 PM (FlRtG)

385 What gives the president the power to stop a bastardized enforcement of the 14th?

Posted by: Countrysquire at August 17, 2015 01:11 PM

I would say the appointment of appropriate judges, AG and ICE head might be a start.

Choom Boy has given us more than six years of near-total disrespect for the Constitution. I have no fear that Trump would dare try for that record.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 17, 2015 01:13 PM (0atQl)

386 The Amendment was clearly written for slaves born in the US, it's a Civil War Amendment.

Posted by: Coolio

That's just as bogus an argument as saying that the 2nd amendment was just about forming militias to fight British troops.

The text says what the text says. Doesn't matter what the historical origin of the wording was. In this case, the text says

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States...."

How can you defeat that in court?

Posted by: zombie at August 17, 2015 01:13 PM (jBuUi)

387 @342

Hey man, thanks for all the help. See @311. I have some cool positions, don't I?

I know you're all in. That's cool, send me your guns, we'll pawn them for the campaign and I'll give you a signed book.

Posted by: The Clown Donald at August 17, 2015 01:14 PM (0FSuD)

388 Because parents (mothers) know all about how Mexican Polio is in our schools.

Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at August 17, 2015 12:59 PM (mf5HN)
Women are the key. If we just deporting clowns, they'll get all sensitive and shit, and blub about the children, how terrible the poeple are who support deportation, etc.

But if we point out that illegal aliens are bringing a lot of crappy diseases here that endanger their children, are filling up classrooms with illiterates who don't speak English and who are impeding the education of their children (and/or directing resources away from their children), and at least in California are taking away enrollments at the Univ. California from their children, the soccer moms will support the trebuchet option for dealing with illegal immigration.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2015 01:14 PM (oKE6c)

389 "Because parents (mothers) know all about how Mexican Polio is in our schools."

And we all know why the school systems are sendingout notices about measles and whooping cough.

Posted by: Benji Carver at August 17, 2015 01:15 PM (OD2ni)

390 Beck will be spazzing over this. What's he gonna do with a warehouse full of teddy-bears and soccer balls?
Posted by: Soona

Cruz lost a lot of fans when he went along with that nonsense of handing out teddy bears to these "kids" that were trying to sneak across the border.

Posted by: Coolio at August 17, 2015 01:15 PM (WJtOf)

391
Simple solution - make H1Bs cost THE EMPLOYER around $100k.

FTFY

Posted by: some random meathead at August 17, 2015 01:15 PM (HJqXj)

392 Beck will be spazzing over this. What's he gonna do with a warehouse full of teddy-bears and soccer balls?

Posted by: Soona at August 17, 2015 01:12 PM

Suggestion: give them to sick/poor American kids.

No, not enough publicity in that....

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 17, 2015 01:15 PM (0atQl)

393
I fully expect that The Donald would pick the younger Kardashian sister for VP.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 17, 2015 01:15 PM (ODxAs)

394
Moreover, I strongly suspect my leftist girlfriend has become terrified that Trump would beat Hillary in the general election because that fear is reflected in the liberal material she reads on line and receives in whatever liberal emails she receives as a subscriber to liberal outlets.

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 01:15 PM (l2dSQ)

395 Its just amazing to me that in a nation where the one nearly universal thing that annoys people is cronyism in government and one of the world's biggest cronyist is a front runner in the race.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2015 01:15 PM (39g3+)

396 Trump isn't my first choice for president, but you've got to admit he's the only one who out there leading.

There is more than immigration on Trump's side.

He wants a form of single payer healthcare. So do I. Once you get over all the bullshit, as a civilized society we should have a system that mirrors Hayek's view of government that helps its citizens cope with truly catastrophic circumstances. Everyday health care should be handled with Health Savings Accounts, supplemented with subsidies if needed, but open and transparent so that market forces are brought back to medical care.

However, catastrophic care should be defined and treated to certain set of standards so that the average citizen can live without the fear of bankrupting the family with one unforeseeable event. Also, the public needs to be protected from people who would spend the taxpayer's dollars on rarely successful extraordinary measures.

Posted by: jwest at August 17, 2015 01:15 PM (P/xrJ)

397 If his support doesn't fade and Trump wins the GOPnomination and runs against Hillary in the general, he'll lose. The women's vote--which he will continue to alienate--ensures he will lose. Watch: any day now a female reporter will ask this thin-skinned man-boy either a hard or a vaguely insulting War On Women question, and he'll go off on her in one of his famous, unscripted moments. He can't help himself. Because asshole.

Here is the problem with this analysis - Megyn Kelly already did it. I said to myself while watching wow Trump is flaming out live on national TV.

And you know what? He's still there, and largely people think he won that skirmish.

Could it still happen? Sure.

But I know LIV women who think he is awesome.

I don't think the SJWs who would hate him for calling Rosie O'Donnell a fat pig would vote for Jeb, either.

Posted by: blaster at August 17, 2015 01:16 PM (2Ocf1)

398 I think a lot of what's animating the supprt for Trump is that he acts and portrays himself like a strong man in both positive and negative aspects of the word.

Now with Sessions on board, he seems to be leveling up and actually getting to the particulars of what he would do.

I bet he's build one hell of a cabinet and administration.

A team of rivals that would put lincolns cabinet to shame.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 17, 2015 01:16 PM (mysAS)

399 393

I fully expect that The Donald would pick the younger Kardashian sister for VP.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 17, 2015 01:15 PM (ODxAs)

But, First she will blow me.

Posted by: The Clown Donald at August 17, 2015 01:16 PM (0FSuD)

400 Ace, you only mention illegal immigration, is Trumps plan also restrictive regarding legal immigration?

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at August 17, 2015 01:16 PM (vkh/8)

401 http://preview.tinyurl.com/oajchbk

China is trying to take back their immigrants. I wish Mexico would be as courteous.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at August 17, 2015 01:17 PM (E5UB0)

402 The concern of course, not that someone should have good advisers, but
that he doesn't do it from some core principle. He is wave rider.
==========
We have to stop looking for angels to put in office and rather focus on making the assholes have do the right thing.

The "Most Pure Conservative" bullshit is of that strain.

And, as I've said, a Trump Presidency would see the most aggressive roll-back of Executive power since 1845--the GOPe and the Dems are horrified of him having any power.

Posted by: RoyalOil at August 17, 2015 01:17 PM (ZvKdv)

403 Rush hitting Trump Derangement Syndrome !
lololol

Posted by: some random meathead at August 17, 2015 01:18 PM (HJqXj)

404 the DC Establishment will run like rabbisT.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2015 12:50 PM (oKE6c)

Sorry.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2015 01:18 PM (oKE6c)

405 Moreover, I strongly suspect my leftist girlfriend has become terrified

She's a model double jointed gymnast millionaire gourmet cook who can suck the chrome off a trailer hitch, right?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2015 01:18 PM (39g3+)

406 rabbiTs.

Damn.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2015 01:18 PM (oKE6c)

407 I was leaning towards Walker or Cruz, but I am now ready to switch to Trump. If he delivers on even half of what he is promising on illegal immigration, it would be a game changer. The other candidates are too timid to even consider promising half of what Trump is, so you can count on them delivering a whole lot less.

Hell, I know some Democrat-leaning women and minorities who are fed up with the illegal immigration mess, but very quiet about it because of political correctness. I could see them lying to friends, acquaintances and pollsters throughout the campaign and then slipping into to the voting booth and pulling the lever for Trump. In any case, I would rather spend the next year hearing about the "war on illegals" than the phony "war on women".

Posted by: cool breeze at August 17, 2015 01:18 PM (6Cu7i)

408 376
Tell me: How is Trump going to repeal the 14th Amendment?
Posted by: zombie

The 14th amendment wasn't written to give birthright citizenship to illegal aliens. This was a backdoor, left handed, skewed interpretation by the Supreme Court.

It could be turned around with a simple decision.

Also, if needed, a president who knows how to lead could get an amendment passed.

Posted by: jwest at August 17, 2015 01:18 PM (P/xrJ)

409 That's my question as well. What gives the president the power to stop a bastardized enforcement of the 14th?

The same power that allows bastardization in the first place?

Posted by: rickb223 at August 17, 2015 01:19 PM (qBbz7)

410 I fully expect that The Donald would pick the younger Kardashian sister for VP.

-
And his next wife.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 17, 2015 01:19 PM (XUKZU)

411 That's just as bogus an argument as saying that the 2nd amendment was just about forming militias to fight British troops.

The text says what the text says. Doesn't matter what the historical origin of the wording was. In this case, the text says

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States...."

How can you defeat that in court?
Posted by: zombie

Completely different, and we had defeated the British when the 2nd Amendment was passed. If you are an originalist, you take on consideration what was meant when the Amendment was passed. And this was not meant for citizenship tourists.

A President has a lot of latitude with the judges they appoint to the head of agencies like ICE, etc.

Also, you can pass laws that charge these people with a crime like say using a fake SS number, go after their families, etc.

If you can say gay marriage is magically in the Constitution, you can make life hell for illegal anchor babies.

Posted by: Coolio at August 17, 2015 01:20 PM (WJtOf)

412 "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States...."

If they were subject to the jurisdiction of the United States they would have been born not in the United States since they and their parents would have been deported before they were born.

Frankly any other interpretation is silly.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 17, 2015 01:20 PM (5LOno)

413 Troyriser:

That's because they're not facts. Most of that is lies or misrepresentations.

He was for a one-time tax for people with a net value over $10MM to pay down our national debt.

DO YOU FUCKING HEAR ME. CAN YOU FUCKING LISTEN.

He wanted to tax rich people, YOU KNOW, DEMOCRATS, to pay down our FUCKING NATIONAL DEBT.

So now that your LIE is exposed, let's look at what he actually said.

I tend to be against this, but I am sick and fucking tired of talking about tax cuts for the uber wealthy that does NOTHING TO HELP WORKING AMERICANS.

In other words, if a one time tax on the uber uber wealthy could retire our national debt, fuck them, they're DEMOCRATS anyway, and it at least would do something very positive for the country and free us of our debt load.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 17, 2015 01:20 PM (q5APL)

414 "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States...."

How can you defeat that in court?"

The question answers itself. It's obvious, from the simple wording of the amendment itself, that not everyone born in the USA is "subject to the jurisdiction thereof," otherwise there would have been no need for this additional clarification.

"Subject to the jurisdiction thereof" has a very specific meaning. The current "anchor baby/swim and download" model exists not because that's what the 14th amendment says can be done, but only because nobody's had the political will to challenge it in recent years once it started becoming a problem.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at August 17, 2015 01:20 PM (S32rP)

415 OT but, Breaking News. Inside Higher Ed reports, moments ago, that the NLRB has denied jurisdiction (turned down) the Northwestern football union case. This means that scholarship players at private schools are not considered employees.

Since this bears on both business and sports, I'm sure there will be a dedicated post on it up soon. Plus, you know, cheerleaders.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at August 17, 2015 01:21 PM (xq1UY)

416 What part of "you're a RACISS" do you not understand, you racist, racist?

-signed

The Democrap Party since 1965

Posted by: baldur5 at August 17, 2015 01:21 PM (kS9QQ)

417 I don't see wet foot dry foot in there anywhere.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 17, 2015 01:21 PM (Ar4XM)

418 Gosh, darn, trying to remember my "other" conservative positions. They'll come to me.

Yes, because awarding a public service medal to Scankles is totes conservative.

Your concerning concern is noted.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 17, 2015 01:21 PM (zF6Iw)

419 Yes, explain further how taxing the rich is the true conservative position, prescient.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2015 01:22 PM (39g3+)

420 What are the laws of Mexico concerning immigration to their country?

Why should we not have those laws too?

Their abortion laws would be an improvement too (my limited understanding is that they essentially ban after 12 weeks).

Posted by: wooga at August 17, 2015 01:22 PM (YJyyQ)

421 Also, if needed, a president who knows how to lead could get an amendment passed.

Posted by: jwest at August 17, 2015 01:18 PM (P/xrJ)

Or how to find, nominate, and get confirmed a few constructionist Supreme Court Justices. The Supreme Court is a den of vipers now, and is bidding fair to give the Dred Scott court a run for its money for mendacity.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2015 01:22 PM (oKE6c)

422 This H1B thing has me confused.
When I was hiring H1 B's from 96 till 2002
we paid them the same wage/salary as the American worker. They received the same benefits with the exception of 401 k and maybe some restriction on insurance.
I guess it has really changed since then.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at August 17, 2015 01:22 PM (R8hU8)

423 For the Trump puppy lovers, here is another gem for you to consider.

Name the only Republican candidate that supports statehood for Washington, DC, which would give the democrats TWO more senators and one more House member.

Come on, think hard. Your "conservative candidate" TRUMP
Posted by: Nip Sip at August 17, 2015 12:45 PM (0FSuD)

Is that all you got? It would take a constitutional amendment and 3/4 of the states to get that passed. Tough luck D.C.

(However, while I don't think D.C should have any Senators, I do think that they should have actual Congressional representation, even if that means more Dem congress critters).

Posted by: Make America Great Again at August 17, 2015 01:22 PM (LXJ1e)

424 That's my question as well. What gives the president the power to stop a bastardized enforcement of the 14th?
***
As a larger matter, if the left is allowed to do whatever the hell it wants, irrespective of what the law means, and the right can only work in the narrow space that the left's interpretation of the law allows, how does one ever expect to make progress?

It would be like playing a board game with a rule lawyering/making 6 year old. You aren't going to win that game.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 17, 2015 01:22 PM (5LOno)

425 "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States...."

How can you defeat that in court?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. HA!

Posted by: Pen/Phone at August 17, 2015 01:22 PM (5buP8)

426
Trump will UTTERLY outspend Hillary or any rival in the general election.

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 01:23 PM (l2dSQ)

427 If you read the Scott Adams article, and you should because it really isn't political but about Trump's use of persuasion, the point isn't what the current polls say about what Trump is saying. The point is that Trump can probably sell it. He can probably even sell it to legal Hispanics in terms of "Why should we let illegals steal your jobs as well?"

Posted by: WOPR at August 17, 2015 01:23 PM (nRvEn)

428 And, as I've said, a Trump Presidency would see the most aggressive roll-back of Executive power since 1845

I can't see that in any way shape or form. The GOPe are permanent lap dogs that only care that their dish gets filled and their ears scratched. Same with the Dems. He will give them whatever they want for their payoffs.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 17, 2015 01:23 PM (ODxAs)

429 In other words, if a one time tax on the uber uber wealthy could retire our national debt, fuck them, they're DEMOCRATS anyway, and it at least would do something very positive for the country and free us of our debt load.
Posted by: prescient11 at August 17, 2015 01:20 PM (q5APL)

Fanatic much? You should start wearing a TRUMP FOREVER sandwich board and handing out pamphlets.

Posted by: troyriser at August 17, 2015 01:23 PM (XHR9b)

430 "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States...."

How can you defeat that in court?

You cannot benefit from illegal acts. Parents are illegal, therefore the birth was illegal.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 17, 2015 01:23 PM (qBbz7)

431 He was for a one-time tax for people with a net value over $10MM to pay down our national debt.

-
So Moo Moo has to cut back a little bit.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 17, 2015 01:24 PM (XUKZU)

432 China is trying to take back their immigrants. I wish Mexico would be as courteous.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at August 17, 2015 01:17 PM (E5UB0)

The difference is the Chinese immigrants have acquired skills here beyond mowing lawns, and hence are desirable residents back in China.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2015 01:25 PM (oKE6c)

433 431 He was for a one-time tax for people with a net value over $10MM to pay down our national debt.

-
So Moo Moo has to cut back a little bit.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 17, 2015 01:24 PM (XUKZU)

I thought he was able to pay off the national debt with his pocket money.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 17, 2015 01:25 PM (2Ojst)

434 we paid them the same wage/salary as the American worker.
***
My experience is that companies will hire the talent they think they need at the lowest price.

So if the going rate for an American in $90k and a non-American is $60k they will seek out the latter and do the absolute minimum required by law (which isn't much) which nominally exists to get the company to hire an American instead.

It doesn't usually work out well in tech industry (you get what you pay for) but plenty of companies do this to save costs...

Posted by: 18-1 at August 17, 2015 01:25 PM (5LOno)

435 Trump will UTTERLY outspend Hillary or any rival in the general election.

I remember when Romney was going to do that against Obama because he was so rich and could spend his own money to win. Those were the days, huh?

You cannot benefit from illegal acts. Parents are illegal, therefore the birth was illegal.

Penalizing children for the crimes of their parents is specifically prohibited in the constitution.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2015 01:25 PM (39g3+)

436 429 In other words, if a one time tax on the uber uber wealthy could retire our national debt, fuck them, they're DEMOCRATS anyway, and it at least would do something very positive for the country and free us of our debt load.
Posted by: prescient11

This is when shit gets really stupid.

Posted by: Coolio at August 17, 2015 01:26 PM (WJtOf)

437 It is exactly that middle-class dipshit that prizes "stability" over doing the right thing that got us into this mess to begin with,

This was the asshole that sat on his hands and said nothing when the left suborned the institutions of media and education...the one that refused to publicly confront the racist lies about crime that sent Zimmerman and Wilson to show trials...that let his neighbor get arrested because the grass in his lawn was too high.

No shit on that last one. I spent 3 days on reddit arguing with morons that saw nothing wrong with sending a man to jail because his lawn wasnt mowed.

As far as I am concerned, these people are parasites. They reap the benefits of America without putting any of the hard work it takes to maintain a free society. Hell, they cant even bother to LEARN what goes into making a capitalist republic work.

Let them vote with the democong and reap the whirlwind.

Posted by: Grad School Fool at August 17, 2015 01:26 PM (A9KzJ)

438
"restrictionist"

"punitive"

Is requiring compliance with federal tax law "restrictionist"?

Is enforcing laws against material aid to terrorism, wire fraud, or polluting a water source "punitive"?

Yes ace put the second adjective in quotes. ace is obviously not the problem here.

But as this linguistic nightmare demonstrates, we are so far down the orwellian slope on illegal immigration (more than any other topic that comes to mind), there is slim hope of *any* real recovery back to a rational, fair, intelligent situation.

But if it is to happen, there is little doubt that things like Trump's position paper - if it is followed by lots of public fur flying and, for once, actual discussion and argument from the correct side - are part of what will make it happen.

Posted by: rhomboid at August 17, 2015 01:26 PM (QDnY+)

439
He was for a one-time tax for people with a net value over $10MM to pay down our national debt.

Neither you or Trump are very good at math or economics. Take $20 Trillion and start doing some division with your wealth tax.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 17, 2015 01:26 PM (ODxAs)

440 This H1B thing has me confused.

When I was hiring H1 B's from 96 till 2002

we paid them the same wage/salary as the American worker. They
received the same benefits with the exception of 401 k and maybe some
restriction on insurance.

I guess it has really changed since then.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition

You most likely paid the salaries through a third party 'recruiting company' right?

Trust me , the actual paychecks most likely didn't reflect your numbers.

Also you paid the the third party to file your H1B paper work right?

They lied to the government for you.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 17, 2015 01:26 PM (HJqXj)

441 "OT but, Breaking News. Inside Higher Ed reports, moments ago, that the NLRB has denied jurisdiction (turned down) the Northwestern football union case. This means that scholarship players at private schools are not considered employees."
Ugh. That case coupled with the Michael Sam canonization convinced me to stop listening to Mike and Mike in the Morning.All SJW, all the time.

Posted by: Benji Carver at August 17, 2015 01:26 PM (OD2ni)

442 You cannot benefit from illegal acts. Parents are illegal, therefore the birth was illegal.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 17, 2015 01:23 PM

^^^^^^ DING! DING! DING! ^^^^^^

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 17, 2015 01:27 PM (0atQl)

443 The 14th amendment was supposed to be for blacks and Indians, not the fucking butler for the ambassador from England.

It does not need to be rewritten, just interpreted properly.

Forever, I have harbored the same hesitation on Trump. Is he serious? Will he flame out?

The fact that he is shoving Sessions ideas out the Overton window and smashing it, um yeah, even if he is a complete fake, I don't give a fuck.

Game. changed.

Think about it folks, they plotted for many weeks exactly how to "take out" Trump at the first debate. Research oppo like crazy. Incorporated every "disgusting" lie about him in a gotcha question.

and the clown, the guy who had never debated before, the idiot, the carnival barker, threw it back in their faces and said FUCK YOU. He took their attack and made it a punchline "Rosie O'Donnell".

This is glorious, glorious to watch.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 17, 2015 01:27 PM (q5APL)

444 the "heart" of the GOP?

he's dead, Jim

Posted by: Feh at August 17, 2015 01:27 PM (+0/ND)

445 He was for a one-time tax for people with a net value over $10MM to pay down our national debt.

___________

Nothing lasts longer than a one-time tax.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2015 01:28 PM (oKE6c)

446 Posted by: jwest at August 17, 2015 01:15 PM (P/xrJ)

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Is that you, Mitch?

If regulations were severely reduced along with lower personal and corporate taxes while letting medical insurance compete openly in a free market, catastrophic insurance could be made affordable to all but the very neediest of the needy. And church charities can take up that slack.

Fuck single payor for anything. It does nothing but invite further government abuse.

Posted by: Soona at August 17, 2015 01:28 PM (P25Hh)

447 Trump is the drunk redneck at the end of the bar.

I'm interested to see how this will play, as well.

However, I know one thing: I'll never cast a ballot for this clown.

Speaking of people getting emotional over their wild-ass guesses about future events, I'll laugh my ass off if he wins the nomination and loses the general in a landslide like I think he would.

...and I'm going to rub Trump supporters' noses in it just like puppies who shit the carpet.

Posted by: DRayRaven at August 17, 2015 01:28 PM (9YRwm)

448 "Or, on the other hand: Does this sort of loud, yelly, attention-getting nonsense alienate what someone said in private conversation was the "true heart of the party," the suburban middle-class family-raising sort of person who is in favor of, more than anything, stability and gradualism, because political lurches look especially frightening to someone with a seven year old daughter and a college savings account?"

If you really want to 'save the Republic' (which IMO, is doomed), why not go (out) with boldness?

The Republic will certainly be doomed if we continue with our 'business as usual' crap ever slouching leftward. What can conservatives claim to have 'conserved' over the years?

Why not some good old-fashioned craziness?

"Go not quietly into the gentle night..."

Posted by: shadowofashade at August 17, 2015 01:28 PM (xMxDs)

449 I can't see that in any way shape or form.

His argument actually makes sense. He's not saying Trump will voluntarily roll back executive power; on the contrary he'd try to be king. He's saying congress would actually fight to reduce executive power out of fear and revulsion of President Trump. And I think that's a good, valid point.

Fanatic much? You should start wearing a TRUMP FOREVER sandwich board and handing out pamphlets.

I used to wonder how much Trump was paying him. Now it appears he's just a cultist. I hope he wakes up from this strange hypnotism before too long.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2015 01:28 PM (39g3+)

450 How about DC can be a state but we move the Federal Capital to someplace in North Dakota?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at August 17, 2015 01:28 PM (81UWZ)

451 >>>Are a bunch of you rich and retired, self employed, or just bored with your job like I am<<<

I'm an insurance policy. If everything is working like clockwork, I don't necessarily have to do dick. When the shit hits the fan, I'm Batman.

Posted by: Fritz at August 17, 2015 01:28 PM (KJ2mA)

452 "the GOPe and the Dems are horrified of him having any power."

I can't see why this is not a good thing? If you eliminate the candidates that can't actually beat Hillary, Biden or Sanders your only left with Trump, Cruz and Bush. Fiorina is by far the front runner to be VP, but she can only win the Presidency against Hillary alone, and Hillary may not make it to the election. So the way I see it, this is between Cruz and Trump, and the others should be ignored, just because I think it would be disgraceful to put another Bush in office.

Posted by: Mike Hunt at August 17, 2015 01:28 PM (SJi0a)

453 Penalizing children for the crimes of their parents is specifically prohibited in the constitution.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor

You can go after the parents of anchor babies though because they were the ones that committed an illegal act.

But you can't penalize someone for simply being related.

Also, if someone wants to claim they are an anchor baby, let's see the last 10 years of their tax returns or if they used somebody else's SS#. That would put most people in prison.

Posted by: Coolio at August 17, 2015 01:28 PM (WJtOf)

454 Trump apparently read Coulter's "Adios America"

he'd probably make her press secretary

not that she'd accept

Posted by: Feh at August 17, 2015 01:29 PM (+0/ND)

455 Guy Mohawk:

He made this statement a long time ago. You know, as in not now, when our debt was much smaller.

I think I'm just fine with a guy who made billions handling our financial issues.

but but but he filed bankruptcy sometimes, well no shit you fucking morons, just exactly where do you think this country is right now. His strategic use of bankruptcy is AN ASSET, not a problem.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 17, 2015 01:29 PM (q5APL)

456 The fact that he is shoving Sessions ideas out the Overton window and
smashing it, um yeah, even if he is a complete fake, I don't give a
fuck.

Game. changed.

yep

Posted by: some random meathead at August 17, 2015 01:29 PM (HJqXj)

457 what does "citizenship" even mean?

Posted by: Feh at August 17, 2015 01:29 PM (+0/ND)

458 "All persons born or naturalized in the United States are subjects"

That seems to be what the elite read the 14th as... we own your ass just because your momma happened to be here when you were born.

Most countries would disagree.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 17, 2015 01:29 PM (NaeCR)

459
Isn't birthright citizenship spec'd in the Constitution? Not that that matters much anymore..

No, it's based upon a willful misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment. From only 1982, believe it not, Plyler v Doe.

Posted by: Weirddave at August 17, 2015 01:29 PM (WvS3w)

460 More than 300 liberal American rabbis wrote members of Congress Monday urging them to support the international nuclear deal with Iran, signaling the US Jewish community is split over the historic but controversial accord.

Ah fuck you. They are also called Rent-A-Rabbis since they also marry Jews to non-Jews in JINO ceremonies. A shanda. And they shouldall drop dead on Tisha B'Av

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 17, 2015 12:58 PM (gf8BH)

There are plenty of Jews in this country who will sell out their own people for a place at the liberal table.

Posted by: Blano at August 17, 2015 01:30 PM (w1ewr)

461 Q: Does one become "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States *merely* by being born here?

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at August 17, 2015 01:30 PM (S32rP)

462 Penalizing children for the crimes of their parents is specifically prohibited in the constitution.

That assumes the kid is legal
Not penalizing the kid. Penalizing the entire family. They are ALL illegal. Parents are illegal. Act of birth is illegal. Kid is illegal.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 17, 2015 01:30 PM (qBbz7)

463 When I was hiring H1 B's from 96 till 2002
we paid them the same wage/salary as the American worker."

Well, one can... but the game today is to list the "new" position as under a different geographical location and plug in the lower dollar figure. Started in the mid aughts, but has become widespread over the past half decade or so.

Posted by: anon a mouse at August 17, 2015 01:30 PM (C9pBZ)

464 DRayRaven has been getting his ass handed to him at Hot Gas, so he takes a break here to repeat his same TDS.

It's hilarious.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 17, 2015 01:30 PM (q5APL)

465 As far as I am concerned, these people are parasites. They reap the benefits of America without putting any of the hard work it takes to maintain a free society. Hell, they cant even bother to LEARN what goes into making a capitalist republic work.

And they out number us 100:1 or greater. For every one of our votes, they get 100. The great stupiding of America is upon us and we're going to get what we deserve.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2015 01:30 PM (39g3+)

466 1. A nation without borders is not a nation. There must be a wall across the southern border.

From Trump's webpage.

Hard to disagree without that, unless one happens to be anti-American.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 17, 2015 01:30 PM (NaeCR)

467 I'll laugh my ass off if he wins the nomination and loses
the general in a landslide like I think he would.

Yeah, that's what I said about Ronald Reagan.

Posted by: Jimmy Carter at August 17, 2015 01:30 PM (oKE6c)

468 I'm sure my comment won't get read, since it is WAY down in the list, but I needed to unload. I am 100% in favor of what Trump is saying. 100%. Doesn't mean everything he says will happen, but unless you stick to the strictest vision for immigration in this country, you are lost. Without pushing the narrative in the other direction, we will only lose ground.

Will it be difficult to impossible to deport all illegal immigrants? Possibly. But why aren't we using "deport all" as the goal while deporting as many as we possibly can as quickly as we can? Trust me, many illegals will just self-deport once they see the writing on the wall.

Will a wall across all of the border be 100% effective? Possibly not. But why aren't we building a dang wall in order to deter as many people as possible? If a wall will only keep 1% from crossing, we should be doing it!

Should we end birthright citizenship? 100% yes.

With all three of these policies, I am pretty certain a LOT of Americans would love this approach. I also think this is a popular stance for many in the minority community b/c they are the ones hurt most by illegal immigration, and they know it. Look at the schools...they are crammed with illegals for whom we are forced to provide a 'free education.' This is at the expense of American citizens who end up with a worse education as a result. This impacts inner cities much more than rural school districts.

Mark my words, this will be a very popular platform for many voters. We are sick and tired of illegals draining resources from the healthcare system, welfare system, school system, court system...it goes on and on. How many taxpayer dollars have been spent on these illegal immigrants? No other country in the world would tolerate this.

Posted by: KG at August 17, 2015 01:31 PM (EDOOV)

469 ...and I'm going to rub Trump supporters' noses in it just like puppies who shit the carpet.

Posted by: DRayRaven

Troll.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 17, 2015 01:31 PM (HJqXj)

470 If we are in a period of Idiocracy, which many of thought we were, then you're going to want to run a Hector Mountain Dew Camacho type candidate.

A charlatan once said he could be King and God - create a moment in the future when "the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."

His focus was obamacare first term.

Is it possible we have another charlatan, who could be beautiful, I mean terrific, just great at fixing immigration?

I don't know either.

If Trump plays to the idiots that voted for Obama, anything is possible. Flip a coin.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 17, 2015 01:31 PM (qCMvj)

471 Posted by: DRayRaven at August 17, 2015 01:28 PM (9YRwm)

Who's your pick for President?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 17, 2015 01:31 PM (OSs/l)

472 Hey DRAYRAYRAYRAY POS,

See my 332 .

Bitch.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 17, 2015 01:32 PM (HJqXj)

473 citizenship = "subject to our jurisdiction"

anybody see a problem here?

Posted by: Feh at August 17, 2015 01:32 PM (+0/ND)

474 I support every thing in The Teflon Dons Immigration Plan

Every iota

So that's 1 suburban middle class mom Regan Drm he has won over

Posted by: ginaswo at August 17, 2015 01:32 PM (qxNrP)

475 >>DO YOU NOT REALIZE THAT THIS HIGHLIGHTS THAT HE ACTUALLY CARES!!! ABOUT ILLEGALS, right as his official policy position is that they're GOING HOME.

You do realize that a month ago he was on O'Reilly saying that there must be a path to citizenship for illegals, right? Or does something he said 4 weeks ago now not matter?

Posted by: JackStraw at August 17, 2015 01:32 PM (OGm46)

476 He's saying congress would actually fight to reduce executive power out of fear and revulsion of President Trump.

I know that is what he is saying, I am saying they will not. They will take his payoffs (subsidies, tax breaks for their districts, budget spending for their districts) and walk away laughing.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 17, 2015 01:32 PM (ODxAs)

477 Troyriser:

I'd rather be a fanatic than a fucking liar.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 17, 2015 01:32 PM (q5APL)

478 It doesn't usually work out well in tech industry (you get what you pay for) but plenty of companies do this to save costs...

Posted by: 18-1 at August 17, 2015 01:25 PM (5LOno)

I don't doubt what you are saying but we were hiring Engineers of all discipline and from Country's such as Canada, Ireland, France, and India.

I was in the power industry mostly gas turbine applications whether marine or land and we did not have two different pay structures.
How they get away with breaking the law I don't know, and I am not being Pollyanna.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at August 17, 2015 01:33 PM (R8hU8)

479 Penalizing children for the crimes of their parents is specifically prohibited in the constitution.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2015 01:25 PM (39g3+)

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Oh..... REALLY??????

Posted by: A Million Kids Who's Parents are in Prison at August 17, 2015 01:33 PM (8XRCm)

480 This will probably get willowed.

Imo, Trump is not a conservative. He's a centrist. All the stuff he's running on was commonsense back in the 1990s. It's the media that's extreme.

Also, I think Trump has been nursing personal gtievances against the Obama regime. I think he knows that in this environment, if he drops out now he'll be ravaged.

Lastly, Mark Halperin says the other candidates think Trump has reacheda point where he can actually win.
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/08/17/ halperin-trump-reached-turning-point-most-estab-cands-think-he-can-win-nomination/

Posted by: @votermom at August 17, 2015 01:33 PM (cbfNE)

481 Q: If, as the Democrats and many Republicans claim, it is "inhumane" to send illegal immigrants back to their countries of origin - aren't you essentially insulting those countries of origin?

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at August 17, 2015 01:34 PM (S32rP)

482 "...and I'm going to rub Trump supporters' noses in it just like puppies who shit the carpet."

I suggest you read me.

Posted by: How to Win Friends and Influence People at August 17, 2015 01:34 PM (OD2ni)

483 You can go after the parents of anchor babies though because they were the ones that committed an illegal act.

Hence, my solution: deport the entire family because it would be cruel to separate the children from their parents. Then, when the child is 18, they can choose to return to the USA on their own if they want to. That would greatly reduce the anchor baby effect by making it worthless for its purpose of staying in the USA without requiring an impossible amendment vote or court decision.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2015 01:34 PM (39g3+)

484 maybe we can deport illegal entrants by high-speed rail

with bipartisan support

Posted by: Feh at August 17, 2015 01:34 PM (+0/ND)

485 JackStraw:

I haven't seen that. Again, I'm still not convinced he's actually in this. Although I'm becoming more convinced every day.

But the fact that he has essentially shined light on the fucking existential problem that is illegal immigration, and then backed that up with Jeff fucking Sessions working papers and said fuck you, here's my plan, is utter brilliance.

I'd like to know what other candidate has said anything so dramatic. Answer - none of them.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 17, 2015 01:35 PM (q5APL)

486 Yeah, that's what I said about Ronald Reagan.
Posted by: Jimmy Carter at August 17, 2015 01:30 PM (oKE6c)

Sorry, but Trump/Reagan comparisons make my head hurt. Reagan hid a fierce intellect and steelyresolvebehind his amiable, good guy publicpersona. Trump is his public persona and his persona is a fucking cartoon.

Posted by: troyriser at August 17, 2015 01:35 PM (XHR9b)

487 No bambino left behind.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 17, 2015 01:36 PM (Ar4XM)

488 DRayRaven has been getting his ass handed to him at Hot Gas, so he takes a break here to repeat his same TDS.

It's hilarious.
Posted by: prescient11 at August 17, 2015 01:30 PM (q5APL)

Your severe case of ass-hurt says otherwise.
I can't say this over there, so I'll say it here.
Trump supporters are fucking retards who probably need a hand-written note to remember to wipe their ass - if they can even remember to shit in a toilet in the first place.

And, yes...that includes you.

Posted by: DRayRaven at August 17, 2015 01:36 PM (9YRwm)

489
Imo, Trump is not a conservative. He's a centrist.

Yeah we have lived in such a extreme lefty mediasphere for so long that we forgot what the actual middle looks like.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 17, 2015 01:36 PM (HJqXj)

490 Will it be difficult to impossible to deport all illegal immigrants? Possibly.

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Cut back on the welfare then offer bpunties on our uninvited guests.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 17, 2015 01:36 PM (XUKZU)

491 "none of them"

so the guy who flounced out of Trump's campaign wasn't such a huge loss?

Posted by: Feh at August 17, 2015 01:36 PM (+0/ND)

492 I also think this is a popular stance for many in the minority community"

Indeed it is. Come to a gathering of Mrs Mouse's family (mostly here in the past generation or two) and bring up illegal immigration.

Lucky if something doesn't get broken...

Posted by: anon a mouse at August 17, 2015 01:36 PM (C9pBZ)

493 maybe we can deport illegal entrants by high-speed rail
GUN

with bipartisan support

Posted by: Feh at August 17, 2015 01:34 PM (+0/ND)

Fixed it for you

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 17, 2015 01:37 PM (NaeCR)

494 I know that is what he is saying, I am saying they will not. They will take his payoffs (subsidies, tax breaks for their districts, budget spending for their districts) and walk away laughing.

He's not congress. He can't give tax breaks or subsidies, but yeah he can bribe them with budget decisions. Would that be enough? I'm skeptical but I suspect that its never going to be tested.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2015 01:37 PM (39g3+)

495 481 Q: If, as the Democrats and many Republicans claim, it is "inhumane" to send illegal immigrants back to their countries of origin - aren't you essentially insulting those countries of origin?
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at August 17, 2015 01:34 PM (S32rP)

And deporting people is "punishing" them? Freeing them from having to live in this racist, sexist, homophobic oppressive capitalist nation should be doing them a solid, right?

Posted by: Jimmy Carter at August 17, 2015 01:37 PM (oKE6c)

496 468 I'm sure my comment won't get read, since it is WAY down in the list, but I needed to unload. I am 100% in favor of what Trump is saying. 100%. Doesn't mean everything he says will happen, but unless you stick to the strictest vision for immigration in this country, you are lost. Without pushing the narrative in the other direction, we will only lose ground.

Posted by: KG at August 17, 2015 01:31 PM (EDOOV)

If there is one thing Trump knows how to do, it's negotiate. So, stake out the most extreme position possible and work from there.

Sure sounds better than the usual GOPe tactic of starting out meeting the Democrats halfway, and compromising from there.

Posted by: rickl at August 17, 2015 01:37 PM (zoehZ)

497 ray, if you're going to throw poo, at least make it entertaining

Posted by: Feh at August 17, 2015 01:37 PM (+0/ND)

498 (9YRwm)

Can we get a ban hammer on this shit stirrer?

Posted by: some random meathead at August 17, 2015 01:37 PM (HJqXj)

499 Just send the illegals to Liberia.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 17, 2015 01:37 PM (Ar4XM)

500 maybe we can deport illegal entrants by high-speed rail

I like it. We could then put all the illegals on flatbed cars, race the HIGH. SPEED. RAIL. right up to the border, then suddenly stop.

Posted by: Jimmy Carter at August 17, 2015 01:38 PM (oKE6c)

501
The people who lost their money and livelihoods didn't think Trump using bankruptcy as an asset was a good thing. But you go and defend him on every pimple that he has. Go ahead and tell me those people deserved it cause they were rich, or democrats or corporations. Just don't mention Trump as being rich or supporting democrats or has a corporation.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 17, 2015 01:38 PM (ODxAs)

502 Just send the illegals to Liberia.

Posted by: Boss Moss at August 17, 2015 01:37 PM (Ar4XM)

Now there is a thought!

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at August 17, 2015 01:39 PM (R8hU8)

503 Posted by: DRayRaven at August 17, 2015 01:36 PM (9YRwm)

It's over; I am not a Trump supporter although I agree with some things he says, but whatever credibillity you might have had initially you now lost by those trollish comments.

I suggest people now stop responding to you.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 17, 2015 01:39 PM (OSs/l)

504 Moreover, I strongly suspect my leftist girlfriend has become terrified that Trump would beat Hillary in the general election because that fear is reflected in the liberal material she reads on line and receives in whatever liberal emails she receives as a subscriber to liberal outlets.

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 01:15 PM (l2dSQ)

No woman could be THAT good in bed.

Posted by: Blano at August 17, 2015 01:39 PM (w1ewr)

505 >>Hence, my solution: deport the entire family because it would be cruel to separate the children from their parents

Obama has already found a way to work around that: welcoming unaccompanied minors - been going on for over a year now. After the minor is settled they start working to reunite the kid with its parents. By paying to fly the parents here and get their citizenship process rolling.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 17, 2015 01:39 PM (NOIQH)

506 Sock off.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2015 01:39 PM (oKE6c)

507 I don't know where we are, nationally, on any of this.

Posted by: ace at August 17, 2015 12:26 PM (dciA+)

On the fast track to Burning Times, USA 06660

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at August 17, 2015 01:39 PM (JOG+K)

508 I can't wait to get me one of them nuclear bombs.

Yes sir, I'll get that site cleared for the contractor, ASAP.

Want me to pay back my notes? Fvck you, I gots the bomb.

That's why I sleep so well at night, just thinking about it.

Posted by: The Clown Donald at August 17, 2015 01:39 PM (0FSuD)

509 Then, when the child is 18, they can choose to
apply to return to the USA on their own if they want to.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2015 01:34 PM

Fixed, for "fairness" and because it's the right way to go, IMO.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 17, 2015 01:39 PM (0atQl)

510 maybe we can deport illegal entrants by high-speed rail

Sign me up!

Posted by: Joe Biden at August 17, 2015 01:40 PM (39g3+)

511 Your severe case of ass-hurt says otherwise.

heh

Posted by: Officer Paddy O'Irony at August 17, 2015 01:40 PM (HJqXj)

512 why hasn't there been a secessionist movement in Mehico

Posted by: Feh at August 17, 2015 01:40 PM (+0/ND)

513 >>>No bambino left behind.<<<

If a fetus isn't a baby, how can a baby or toddler be a citizen? Aren't there requirements/responsibilities associated with citizenship that would effectively disqualify an illiterate poop-covered bambino?

Posted by: Fritz at August 17, 2015 01:40 PM (KJ2mA)

514 I'd rather be a fanatic than a fucking liar.
Posted by: prescient11 at August 17, 2015 01:32 PM (q5APL)

Good thing for you that a lunatic doesn't typically know when he's lying since he can't separate fantasy from reality. I mean, look at you: you actually believe Donald Trump is Our Next Savior of the Republic, that he's a genius playing a kind of 4th dimensional political chess, and that his hair is real.

Posted by: troyriser at August 17, 2015 01:40 PM (XHR9b)

515 Sure sounds better than the usual GOPe tactic of starting out meeting the Democrats halfway, and compromising from there.

My strategy is a flank attack from the far left, then negotiate toward the middle. In fact, they may be so startled we won't need to negotiate at all. We can stay on the far left!

Posted by: El Gobernador Jeb Bush at August 17, 2015 01:41 PM (8ZskC)

516
Trump?

Meh,, I got this...

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at August 17, 2015 01:41 PM (HSmrB)

517 Just don't mention Trump as being rich or supporting democrats or has a corporation.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 17, 2015 01:38 PM (ODxAs)

Yea if we could just get rid of this capitalistic system!

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at August 17, 2015 01:41 PM (R8hU8)

518 Trigger warning! Bill and Hill dancing on WZ.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 17, 2015 01:41 PM (XUKZU)

519 why hasn't there been a secessionist movement in Mehico
Posted by: Feh at August 17, 2015 01:40 PM (+0/ND)

----

There is.

They're seceding to here.

Posted by: fixerupper at August 17, 2015 01:42 PM (8XRCm)

520 505 >>Hence, my solution: deport the entire family because it would be cruel to separate the children from their parents

Obama has already found a way to work around that: welcoming unaccompanied minors - been going on for over a year now. After the minor is settled they start working to reunite the kid with its parents. By paying to fly the parents here and get their citizenship process rolling.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 17, 2015 01:39 PM (NOIQH)

Easy. Deport Obama too.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2015 01:42 PM (oKE6c)

521 Troyriser is a liar.

No need to respond to that poster anymore.

Cheers.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 17, 2015 01:42 PM (q5APL)

522 why hasn't there been a secessionist movement in Mehico

Posted by: Feh at August 17, 2015 01:40 PM (+0/ND)

Wasn't that basically what was going on in Chiapas?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2015 01:42 PM (oKE6c)

523 Sorry, but Trump/Reagan comparisons make my head hurt. Reagan hid a fierce intellect and steelyresolvebehind his amiable, good guy publicpersona. Trump is his public persona and his persona is a fucking cartoon.
Posted by: troyriser

Agreed.

Reagan had been a successful 2 term Governor of the largest state and had a history of supporting conservative causes. Yes, some dismissed him but he was not a flash in the pan

Trump is a reality tv star that has one conservative policy plank on illegal immigration but otherwise is on Obama's Left on many issues like a wealth tax or single payer health insurance.

Posted by: Coolio at August 17, 2015 01:42 PM (WJtOf)

524 >>I'd like to know what other candidate has said anything so dramatic. Answer - none of them.

Once again, Romney had a very strict plan last cycle although it was short of doing away with birthright citizenship and Trump called it mean spirited. But now he's a genius for completely flip flopping and taking things to eleventy!!!

As I said, I think Trump is a useful weapon right now to direct the conversation but I don't for a minute think he believes all the things he says because he changes all the time.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 17, 2015 01:42 PM (OGm46)

525 so Obama believes America wrongly took land from Mehico

so he's giving it back

Posted by: Feh at August 17, 2015 01:43 PM (+0/ND)

526 Q: If, as the Democrats and many Republicans claim, it is "inhumane" to send illegal immigrants back to their countries of origin -

Why is it inhumane? Other than a claim.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 17, 2015 01:43 PM (5/lDN)

527 Our Next Savior of the Republic, that he's a genius playing a kind of
4th dimensional political chess, and that his hair is real.

Weren't you the one still crying over Romney - The Great White Hope?

Holy lack of self awareness , Batman.

Posted by: Officer Paddy O'Irony at August 17, 2015 01:43 PM (HJqXj)

528 ray, if you're going to throw poo, at least make it entertaining
Posted by: Feh at August 17, 2015 01:37 PM (+0/ND)

Like your average Trump supporter is so witty and entertaining? Sorry, but I haven't seen even one with the intellect to manage it.

I was responding in kind to a witless asshat from Hot Gas.

Honestly, putting cogent arguments in front of these people is like tossing the proverbial pearls before swine. If you don't support Trump, they hurl names like RINO, a GOPe, a cuckservative, or some other unimaginative insult.

They can't engage on an intellectual level. They are nothing but anger and rage, so I stopped wasting the effort of doing anything but responding in kind.

Posted by: DRayRaven at August 17, 2015 01:43 PM (9YRwm)

529 bye Paddy

Posted by: some random meathead at August 17, 2015 01:44 PM (HJqXj)

530
I dont see any other Republican making bold stands on any issues.

Posted by: Soothsayer II, thirty-two-time Top Commenter at August 17, 2015 01:44 PM (R/CND)

531 Fuck single payor for anything. It does nothing but invite further government abuse.

Posted by: Soona at August 17, 2015 01:28 PM (P25Hh)

I deal in the art of the possible.

You could never get the nation to go full Galt and take the government totally out of healthcare.

However, you can use the fact that liberals are low information voters to give catastrophic coverage to everyone knowing that it will only be used by a tiny percentage of the population prior to medicare kicking in.

It's a trade with the liberals who don't know shit for accepting Health Savings Accounts for everything that isn't catastrophic. This is what brings competition and transparency to the medical profession.

Posted by: jwest at August 17, 2015 01:44 PM (P/xrJ)

532 you actually believe Donald Trump is Our Next Savior
of the Republic, that he's a genius playing a kind of 4th dimensional
political chess, and that his hair is real.

Posted by: troyriser at August 17, 2015 01:40 PM (XHR9b)

But I am, I tell you, I am. In fact you should buy one of my condo's in Miami, when I am president, it will be fantastic.

All the embassies will have to have a place there and the women!

Oh man, good times ahead for us amigo!

Posted by: The Clown Donald at August 17, 2015 01:44 PM (0FSuD)

533 Penalizing children for the crimes of their parents is specifically prohibited in the constitution.

That's a good reason not to give them a lengthy prison sentence like their parent's ought to receive.

It is not a reason not to return them to the country in which they were conceived and/or the country they would have been born in but for their parents' criminality.

Posted by: Methos at August 17, 2015 01:44 PM (ZbV+0)

534 I'm enjoying the pugilism show as much as the next guy. But the non-stop Trump shows/posts on every newscast and blog around is giving me a serious case of Trump fatigue.

He either needs to crash and burn or start knocking some mugs out of the picture. I can't take a year of the Trump Love/Hate fests.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at August 17, 2015 01:44 PM (UPYPp)

535 Once again, Romney had a very strict plan last cycle
although it was short of doing away with birthright citizenship and
Trump called it mean spirited. But now he's a genius for completely flip
flopping and taking things to eleventy!!!

As I said, I think Trump is a useful weapon right now to direct the
conversation but I don't for a minute think he believes all the things
he says because he changes all the time.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 17, 2015 01:42 PM (OGm46)

In some respects, that's OK. I don't care whether he believes it or whether he just thinks his current position reflects the popular will.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 17, 2015 01:44 PM (oKE6c)

536 Obama has already found a way to work around that: welcoming unaccompanied minors - been going on for over a year now.

Well sure if you have a president willing to ignore the law, then no law will make a difference.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2015 01:44 PM (39g3+)

537
prescient11, you keep quote him saying something and then when it is pointed out how stupid it is, you say he said that a long time ago. What is his position tomorrow? Maybe you should tell us in all caps.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 17, 2015 01:45 PM (ODxAs)

538 Thinking about what Trump has built (yes I know there have been bumps along the way... which I'm pretty sure people who have run a business knows that you don't always make the right decision at the right time and have to start over) the man is competitive. I think this has something to do with his working with Sessions to come up with his immigration plan. He doesn't like to lose. He may find that he will have to tweak the "yelling" down, but will work hard to find a way to get what he wants.. which seems to be in most things he takes on.. to win.

Posted by: gapoz at August 17, 2015 01:45 PM (thyJJ)

539
Posted by: DRayRaven at August 17, 2015 01:36 PM (9YRwm)

--------------------------

Could you e-mail me a copy of your new letter?

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at August 17, 2015 01:45 PM (HSmrB)

540 Come on, think hard. Your "conservative candidate" TRUMP

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 17, 2015 12:45 PM (0FSuD)

Since when is taxation without representation a conservative principle?

Posted by: rebel flounder at August 17, 2015 01:45 PM (Vf5rR)

541 It is not a reason not to return them to the country in which they were conceived and/or the country they would have been born in but for their parents' criminality.

Exiling people is typically viewed as a legal punishment.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2015 01:46 PM (39g3+)

542 so Obama believes America wrongly took land from Mehico

so he's giving it back

He's like Zorro, only without the cool outfit, the cleverness or the athletic skill.

Obama, he fight for de peeple!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 17, 2015 01:46 PM (8ZskC)

543 "you actually believe Donald Trump is Our Next Savior of the Republic."

No...nobody is saying that. You have yet to sell any of the others. We're not impressed by them, nor should we be. Why are you? Here is a little hint for you, you aren 't getting your conservative values represented regardless, so if Trump says the right things, then that is a start and much more impressive than anything the others have done. Trump is gong to be dragged to the finish line against Cruz, Bush and Fiorina. We may change our minds at that point...but the bottom line is we don't know every position any of them are placing their flag yet, so let's just see what Trump can do right now. He has already helped big time just being in there, so what are you really complaining about?

Posted by: Mike Hunt at August 17, 2015 01:46 PM (SJi0a)

544 They can't engage on an intellectual level. They are nothing but anger and rage, so I stopped wasting the effort of doing anything but responding in kind.

--------

If your words below are "engaging on an intellectual level...

"are fucking retards who probably need a hand-written note to remember to wipe their ass - if they can even remember to shit in a toilet in the first place."

.... you sir, can simply "fuck off".

But first.......

Posted by: fixerupper at August 17, 2015 01:46 PM (8XRCm)

545 It cracks me up that some people think that is Trump got the nomination he wouldn't win.

At that point, he'd have a 50-50 shot. Only one person standing in his way to becoming president.

It would be war. No holds bar. Drop the bomb stuff. He'd crush Clinton, Biden, Sanders, or Lieawhatha. He's not a loser and hates losing.

I think if he wins the nomination, he wins the presidency.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 17, 2015 01:47 PM (jSTDs)

546
Okay, I'm addicted to this shit:

https://www.facebook.com/eternity.black

I love how these women attack a guy and then complain when they defend themselves This guy did not even use excessive force

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 17, 2015 01:47 PM (iQIUe)

547 Remember the catastrophic vodka ad, In An Absolut World?
Obama's your basic Absolut - ist.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at August 17, 2015 01:47 PM (xq1UY)

548 >>In some respects, that's OK. I don't care whether he believes it or whether he just thinks his current position reflects the popular will.

That represents a serious change from previous thinking on this blog and in the electorate at large. It used to be candidates were pilloried for even the slightest deviation in positions. Now we have a guy who is all over the map depending on the day of the week and issue of the moment and that seems to be getting a lot of traction.

Seems very odd to me and not something I expected from conservatives.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 17, 2015 01:47 PM (OGm46)

549 WARNING: If you stay in this thread, you may suffer severe side effects including willowing.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 17, 2015 01:47 PM (8ZskC)

550 I heard an interesting blurb on the radio news regarding this. It includes a clip from someone from an immigrants rights group claiming they are 50,000 strong, and they vote. Really, 50,000 illegal votes? I'm sure he didn't realize what that sounded like.

Posted by: Auntie Doodles at August 17, 2015 01:48 PM (xEYZQ)

551 Holy lack of self awareness , Batman.
Posted by: Officer Paddy O'Irony at August 17, 2015 01:43 PM (HJqXj)

'Crying over Romney'? Er, no. Like many here, I voted for Romney, thought he was a good guy but not a very good candidate: no killer instinct when he had Obama on the ropes during the debates, poorly managed campaign, et al.

You should really try harder on this Internets thing, champ. Know we're all rooting for you.

Posted by: troyriser at August 17, 2015 01:48 PM (XHR9b)

552 I like what Trump is doing NOW. He's fomenting the right people and he's turned the political conversation around to subjects that would otherwise be ignored by the DC establishment campaign handlers. He is kicking the hornet's nest. GO DONALD!!

Posted by: Soona at August 17, 2015 01:48 PM (P25Hh)

553
votermom above touches on the key point - the public square, the way things are described, the very words used, represent a gigantic, disastrous lurch to the wrong side.

As I noted above, how would the word "punitive" even enter this kind of discussion? Enforcing basic - actually, among the *most* basic - laws is ipso facto "punitive"? Of course that's nonsensical, and of course that's where we are.

One generation ago a majority of the Senate Democratic caucus backed positions (at least nominally, via co-sponsorship of bills) that today are fringe "right-wing" things. Balanced budget amendment (stupid idea, but that point stands), and many other such things. The media, non-elite coastal urban elites, Beltway parties, mostly live out on the fringes of extreme, historically inadvisable-to-insane, un-American, infeasible, disastrous policy.

But these are considered "status quo" or "normal" or "centrist".

Posted by: rhomboid at August 17, 2015 01:49 PM (QDnY+)

554 Since when is taxation without representation a conservative principle?

Posted by: rebel flounder at August 17, 2015 01:45 PM (Vf5rR)

Since the constitution was ratified. DC was designed as a government area and specifically was not to have representation.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 17, 2015 01:50 PM (0FSuD)

555 .... you sir, can simply "fuck off".

But first.......
Posted by: fixerupper at August 17, 2015 01:46 PM (8XRCm)

Hey, that's what I think the actual Trump supporters should do.

Maybe not the ones who think he's a "useful tool" or whatever and don't actually support him, but the people who are actually behind him and support him for the White House? And make excuses for stuff like single payer, wealth taxes, and partial birth abortion? The Trump cult members?

Yeah.

Posted by: DRayRaven at August 17, 2015 01:51 PM (9YRwm)

556 Go with the goers, I say. Trump is off the porch and is running and barking. The rest are still on the porch, some are yipping and yapping. Carly has come down the steps and looks ready to bound out into the yard.

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 17, 2015 01:51 PM (JO9+V)

557 I didn't see where he outlined what he will do with the illegal immigrants already here. Did I miss that? Or did he purposely leave that out because he knows his position not popular to a large part of the base?

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 17, 2015 01:51 PM (cJswI)

558 Exiling people is typically viewed as a legal punishment.

Exiling people that belong here, yes.

People that don't, no.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 17, 2015 01:52 PM (5/lDN)

559 Question for the horde.

Your parents rob a bank. On the way out of town they stop and give you the money. You had no part in the robbery.

Do you get to keep the money?

If not, why not?

Posted by: rickb223 at August 17, 2015 01:54 PM (5/lDN)

560 Q: If, as the Democrats and many Republicans claim, it is "inhumane" to
send illegal immigrants back to their countries of origin -

It is inhumane to let Americans suffer due to their presence.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 17, 2015 01:54 PM (NaeCR)

561 Well, you know I have been paying for my clown act now for a while, but like most of my deals, it's all bait and switch.

So now I am axing my supporters to each send in $500. If you can't afford $500 you are not worthy to be one of my supporters.

When you do, I will send you one of famous Trump ties which clearly are a $500 value. They probably will increase in value like my condos.

The market is WIDE open I tell you WIDE open, so act now!

http://tinyurl.com/ndbclq7

Posted by: The Clown Donald at August 17, 2015 01:54 PM (0FSuD)

562 @556

"Trump is off the porch.... Carly has come down the steps."

^^^^^This Moron gets it. If you want to see who actually can do the job, and give a head nod to what we want, well then, anybody not brave enough to come off the porch and throw a punch is dis-qualified...PERIOD!

Posted by: Mike Hunt at August 17, 2015 01:54 PM (SJi0a)

563
Look at it this way: the people who support Trump.right now are the cohort who had no plans voting in 2016 anyway.

Posted by: Soothsayer II, thirty-two-time Top Commenter at August 17, 2015 01:55 PM (R/CND)

564 *i would believe this more if he had already not set off a series of grenades in his own hands and come out of it relatively unscathed.*

Yes, sure, but I think its possible that people get tired of all the self detonation. I'm supportive of his immigration stance and the anti-PC nature of his personality and how he's changing the nature of the debate. But I don't think he clothed himself in glory at the debate and his post debate behavior was questionable- not because I care about offending Megyn Kelly or whomever but because it was an unnecessary unforced "error." I'll certainly still vote for him if he's the nominee but if you see Cruz and Walker (my choices) start adopting the policy initiatives that are popular with the "silent majority" and combine that with less bombast (while still not backing down from the media and the Left's smear campaigns), I personally believe both would be far more viable. I'm actually a little surprised none of the candidates have done so, though I assume its a donor problem moreso than anything else.

Posted by: Mrs. Clinton's Snizz at August 17, 2015 01:55 PM (vDEpI)

565 Exiling people is typically viewed as a legal punishment.

Well, sure that's the way dishonest folks will frame the issue. The truth is that they are being returned to the land on which they belong. Where they go from there is not our concern. So long as it's not here.

Posted by: Methos at August 17, 2015 01:55 PM (ZbV+0)

566 so what are you really complaining about?
Posted by: Mike Hunt at August 17, 2015 01:46 PM (SJi0a)

I think Trump's a disgrace and epitomizes all that worst in us, unfit for any public office in any capacity.So I'm not complaining. I'm expressing revulsion.

Posted by: troyriser at August 17, 2015 01:56 PM (XHR9b)

567 Here is what I know, from personal experience. I used to pick apples and do farm work. Back in the 80s, they passed legislation requiring social security and other documentation before hiring you. When that went into effect, the local orchardists has problems finding people with green cards to do the work. And amazingly, there were citizens interested in doing those jobs. Of course, when they stopped enforcing it, they went back to hiring non-citizens to do the work.

I have personally worked with a white family that were migrants and raised their family doing orchard work. That's the way we used to do things.

Posted by: notsothoreau at August 17, 2015 01:56 PM (5HBd1)

568 Obama has 42% of the country behind him; do you call that "popular"? No you do not.

So how do you get that 8% makes one "popular"?

Posted by: ace at August 17, 2015 12:18 PM (dciA+)
----++-+--++++-!++--------

You're mixing apples and oranges, Ace. Barky has 42% because he is Mr. Democrat. You're conflating personal with partisan support.

Posted by: skzion at August 17, 2015 01:56 PM (XHnK+)

569 541
It is not a reason not to return them to the country in which they
were conceived and/or the country they would have been born in but for
their parents' criminality.

Exiling people is typically viewed as a legal punishment.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 17, 2015 01:46 PM (39g3+)
Meh. Let their parents take the kids with them when they are deported. Otherwise start construction of massive state orphanages. We can make them into our very own janissaries.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 17, 2015 01:58 PM (NaeCR)

570 "now are the cohort who had no plans voting in 2016 anyway."

If you shove Bush, Christy, Kasich, Perry or Huckabee down our throat come election time you will be proven correct.

Posted by: Mike Hunt at August 17, 2015 02:00 PM (SJi0a)

571 Do you get to keep the money?

I get to keep the money because it was an act of love, right?

Posted by: Methos at August 17, 2015 02:01 PM (ZbV+0)

572 Insty has a real nice quote about Bushes and Trumps numbers when it comes to how many can vote.

Pixie prevents me from dragging it here.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 17, 2015 02:01 PM (VPLuQ)

573 Here's what angers me about this whole thing:

If Trump can do this, it shows that America is so shallow and so celebrity driven that ANY celebrity can run for office, spout off a bunch of uninformed nonsense, insult people, and get large amounts of support from angry people...no matter how unqualified, unserious, and clownish they are.

Kim Kardashian?
Madonna?
Caityln Jenner?
Rosie O'Donnell?

Why not? Donald Trump is doing it!!!

And get this...it's the Democrats who are supposed to be the ones who play to emotional low-info voters. It's Democrats who are supposed to rely on gimmicks and celebrity.

But here we are...embarrassing ourselves with Donald Trump of all people.

...and it's not like there aren't actual conservatives in the race. Trump just has the biggest mouth.

Posted by: DRayRaven at August 17, 2015 02:01 PM (9YRwm)

574 "Since when is taxation without representation a conservative principle?Posted by: rebel flounder at August 17, 2015 01:45 PM (Vf5rR) Since the constitution was ratified. DC was designed as a government area and specifically was not to have representation."

Exactly, it was speciifically designed to be a seprate area from "the States." A co-worker was whining last year about how horrible it is to live in DC and not have congressional reperesentation. I told her she could move to MD or VA if it was that important to her.

Posted by: Benji Carver at August 17, 2015 02:02 PM (OD2ni)

575 I didn't see where he outlined what he will do with
the illegal immigrants already here. Did I miss that? Or did he
purposely leave that out because he knows his position not popular to a
large part of the base?

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 17, 2015 01:51 PM (cJswI)

I have an excuse for that - generally you stop the holes before bailing out the boat - there is little reason to talk about bailing before the holes are stopped.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 17, 2015 02:02 PM (NaeCR)

576 I think Trump's a disgrace and epitomizes all that worst in us, unfit
for any public office in any capacity.So I'm not complaining. I'm
expressing revulsion.

I am far less offended by Trump's honest huckster routine than I was by Romney's hypocrisy and flip-flops.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 17, 2015 02:03 PM (HJqXj)

577 "End birthright citizenship."

This is the most important and really the only one you need. A wall will never stop the people coming in on trains and planes who overstay, and largely at least in CA that's what's happening. Asians are the biggest illegal immigrant group. They have a baby here on vacay or bring a kid when they move here, they buy a fake driver's license, and the paperwork proceeds from there.

And Hispanics are not the only ones causing death and destruction.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/woman-677538-freeway-buena.html

Posted by: pj at August 17, 2015 02:03 PM (cHuNI)

578 Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike....what day is it?

It's Trump day again.

Last night on the radio, I heard a few minutes of Willie Cunningham on WLW (The Big One!), talking to a concerned conservative lady on the phone.

Well! That Donald Trump, he's just not my kinda person! I want a more dignified conservative to run in this race.

Okay, well, where is this magical unicorn in the race?

Desperate times call for desperate measures. So let's vote for Jeb.

Really, I read through most of the comments, and most of you guys sound like angry school girls.

Against Trump, you say? So, you're FOR LaRaza? Wait, that's not what I said!
In the next few days, you can judge where you stand by who is most virulently opposed to this Trump policy.

This is....a time for choosing. Choose wisely.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at August 17, 2015 02:03 PM (RFeQD)

579 But here we are...embarrassing ourselves with Donald Trump of all people.

"You" are not "we" , asshole.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 17, 2015 02:04 PM (HJqXj)

580
I remember a guy who made sweeping promises.

They all came with an expiration date. He never let on that they had one, but they did.

Name that stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at August 17, 2015 02:05 PM (1hM1d)

581 "Here's what angers me about this whole thing: If Trump can do this, it shows that America is so shallow and so celebrity driven that ANY celebrity can run for office, "

2008 did not show you that? They made videos of people chanting his name, for God's sake.

Posted by: Benji Carver at August 17, 2015 02:07 PM (OD2ni)

582 @573

DRayRaven,

You are blaming Trump and his supporters for the ridiculousness of modern American Culture.

It.Does.Not.Work.

Trump is pointing out how messed up it all really is and laughing at you while he does it. The guy should be praised for it. If your afraid of a Trump Presidency, then you need to figure out who's fault that really is. It sure as hell isn't his fault.

Posted by: Mike Hunt at August 17, 2015 02:07 PM (SJi0a)

583 Walker would have never said this if not for Trump, who is driving the discussion in a more conservative direction. Trump rightly saw that a candidate owned by the Chamber of Commerce would be revealed as a panderer, and he owns that support Walker would have gotten as a business-minded "fighter and winner". All the Walker buzz laid the groundwork for Trump, who has no trouble stealing the spotlight.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 17, 2015 02:07 PM (nF+eU)

584 Oh, and after watching Chuck Todd's "interview" this morning, every Rep candidate should have memorized statements of both Hillary and Obama's original support for marriage.

And when they say, "well you said blah blah back in 2013", you respond back "here's what Barack and Hillary had to say about marriage back in 2008. People seem willing to believe they changed their minds about it. I've changed my mind about blah blah too."

Posted by: notsothoreau at August 17, 2015 02:08 PM (5HBd1)

585 @584

Yes...this is the proper technique to be using. It's exactly what they do to us.

Posted by: Mike Hunt at August 17, 2015 02:10 PM (SJi0a)

586 Trump is pointing out how messed up it all really is and laughing at you while he does it. The guy should be praised for it. If your afraid of a Trump Presidency, then you need to figure out who's fault that really is. It sure as hell isn't his fault.
Posted by: Mike Hunt at August 17, 2015 02:07 PM (SJi0a)

So the fault lies with us, the voters?
You have a point there.

However, "afraid" is the wrong adjective.
"Humiliated at the prospect of" is more like it.
He'll be awful. Just as awful as Obama - he's just as narcissistic and unqualified.

I, for one, want someone who can actually get something done and knows what he's talking about.

Trump doesn't fit that description.
Even if he did get there, he'd find out that people he can't fire in Congress and the federal bureaucracy have no problem with telling him to fuck off.

Posted by: DRayRaven at August 17, 2015 02:12 PM (9YRwm)

587 >>>and it's not like there aren't actual conservatives in the race.

When it comes to immigration, there aren't

>>>Trump just has the biggest mouth.

No asshole, it's more like the others are Hello Kitty.

Personal demeanor is at the absolute bottom of my list of priorities at the moment. Remind us again who's acting irrationally and emotionally?

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at August 17, 2015 02:13 PM (P7dMK)

588 So could a President Trump end birthright citizenship by Executive Order, or does it really require a constitutional amendment?

WWOD?

(What would Obama do?)

Posted by: pj at August 17, 2015 02:14 PM (cHuNI)

589 No asshole, it's more like the others are Hello Kitty.

Personal demeanor is at the absolute bottom of my list of priorities at the moment. Remind us again who's acting irrationally and emotionally?
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at August 17, 2015 02:13 PM (P7dMK)

Actually, the other candidates say plenty.
Trump just bloviates, and everything he says has less depth than a kiddie pool.

The fact that you're falling for it tells me he fills an emotional need, not an intellectual one....so I guess it's you acting irrationally and emotionally.

Posted by: DRayRaven at August 17, 2015 02:15 PM (9YRwm)

590

You know it would be refreshing to see a COMPETENT non-politician like Trump become president.

And he has issued an UNAMBIGUOUS policy paper that fully commits him to ENDING ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION CRISIS.

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 02:16 PM (l2dSQ)

591 >>> Just as awful as Obama - he's just as narcissistic and unqualified.

That's retarded, sir. Obama is awful because he's malicious. No one could be as bad as he' s been, absent that.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at August 17, 2015 02:17 PM (P7dMK)

592 "Deportation vehicles" are the new "plastics."

Posted by: The Days of Big Immigration Are Over at August 17, 2015 02:17 PM (pq97T)

593 Guy Mohawk:

You asked about $20T in debt. Trump's comments about this were more than 15 years ago, when the debt was not so high.

So the math you reference would need to look at the debt level in 1999 or so. That's why I'm saying context matters.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 17, 2015 02:20 PM (q5APL)

594 That's retarded, sir. Obama is awful because he's malicious. No one could be as bad as he' s been, absent that.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at August 17, 2015 02:17 PM (P7dMK)

Trump has already shown he's malicious.
Just look at his Twitter feed. Anyone who crosses him is a "fat slob," a "total loser," or "bleeding from her eyes."

And, yeah...I throw insults, too...but I'm not running for president.

Which, come to think of it, is another way Trump reminds me of Obama. He's just as thin skinned. OK, unlike Obama, he throws insults like a third grader, but still....

Posted by: DRayRaven at August 17, 2015 02:23 PM (9YRwm)

595 "That's retarded, sir. Obama is awful because he's malicious. No one could be as bad as he' s been, absent that."

Stop stealing my lines you creepy ass cracker.

Posted by: Rachel Jeanteel at August 17, 2015 02:23 PM (OD2ni)

596 Ending birthright citizenship is key--which is, I guess, why Walker had suddenly "evolved" to this position.

You know, I've said for years now that a Republican candidate who was anti-illegal and supportive of limiting legal immigration could win. For the fact is, the median Republican is great from the Republican elite position. FURTHERMORE, the median Democrat is closer to the median Republican than to the Democratic elite position. I think Trump has figured this out.

The parties have been colluding to keep immigration out of partisan competition, for different reasons. By bringing immigration in so visibly, Trump has "split the majority," making the nomination fight largely about immigration. Insofar as he can maintain immigration add the dominant cleavage, and insofar as political constraints keep other Republican alternatives as they are now, Trump WILL win the nomination.

If he does, be will find a LOT of white, married Dems who will vote for him. AND, the political constraints on Democratic elites are even stronger regarding immigration than the ones on Republicans. Given that,Trump wins the general.

Posted by: skzion at August 17, 2015 02:25 PM (XHnK+)

597
Anyone who says Donald Trump's persona is even even vaguely similar to Obama's has proven he is completely out of touch with reality.

What an embarrassing failure of judgement.

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 02:27 PM (l2dSQ)

598 "For the fact is, the median Republican is great from the Republican elite position."

Should be:

"For the fact is, the median Republican is greatly distant from the Republican elite position.'

Posted by: skzion at August 17, 2015 02:30 PM (XHnK+)

599 119
As President, I would request from Congress and the states a Constitutional amendment as follows:

a) five categories of resident: citizen, long-term resident alien
possessing green cards, transient alien possessing tourist, student, and
temporary employment visas, those seeking political asylum, and those
not covered in the above categories and not legally permitted into the
country.

b) all rights under the Constitution specifically apply only to citizens

Posted by: JEM at August 17, 2015 12:25 PM (o+SC1)

I get what your going at but with B you've just made Hillary wet her jumpsuits with excitement. I'm guilty of amendment lazy thinking too but this one would blow apart the entire bill of rights since corporations aren't one of your five people.

Posted by: allenlou at August 17, 2015 02:30 PM (us5tr)

600 but whatever credibillity you might have had initially you now lost by those trollish comments. I suggest people now stop responding to you.Posted by: FenelonSpoke
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To be fair he is better than Hector. Hector only wants to insult people, and he makes so many spelling mistakes he can't even do that properly. If Trump were to deport only him, he'd still get my vote.

Posted by: Bruce Boehner at August 17, 2015 02:31 PM (P7dMK)

601 But here we are...embarrassing ourselves with Donald Trump of all people.

...and it's not like there aren't actual conservatives in the race. Trump just has the biggest mouth.

Posted by: DRayRaven at August 17, 2015 02:01 PM (9YRwm)

So glad we didn't go through 2008 and 2012 embarrassed by our serious, actual conservative candidates. It worked out so well, for Obama and the left.

Posted by: rebel flounder at August 17, 2015 02:32 PM (Vf5rR)

602
I might be wrong (actually I don't mean that but I'm saying it just to be polite), but Trump looks like the last person who would spend more than five minutes thinking in terms of restoring Constitutional government as it was articulated a couple of hundred years ago. Frankly I doubt he could even talk intelligently for five minutes about the subject.

His interest in the Presidency will simply be his personal choice of pet projects with no effort to systemically reverse the aggregation of power by the federal government or to set a direction that will secure fiscal responsibility while retaining the ability to defend our interests abroad. If he gets elected President, when he leaves he won't care about what is left in his wake, except his reputation.

Posted by: Levin at August 17, 2015 02:35 PM (uGiHE)

603 Full disclosure, I am for Trump, for lots of reasons, and BTW, I live and work in a decidedly democrat/union area, and they are almost all learning to Trump. That being said, however, Trump was on our local radio show last week and he said that he wasn't asking for donations and did not want them. Most people would have aplauded that, however, I did not. I took it as a sign that maybe possibly he did not want money because he might back out, and did not want it on his conscience that he took money from people who mightn't be able to afford it. So, if he starts asking for donations it will, IMO, signify he is serious. Either way, he is my candidate.

Posted by: Chilling the most at August 17, 2015 02:37 PM (zW5rQ)

604

Oh Trump is serious about Making America Great Again.
He is serious about winning the presidency.

And one of several things that the sad and frustrated Nasty Trump Haters cannot deny is that Donald Trump is COMPETENT.

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 02:39 PM (l2dSQ)

605 Anyone who says Donald Trump's persona is even even vaguely similar to Obama's has proven he is completely out of touch with reality.

What an embarrassing failure of judgement.

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 02:27 PM (l2dSQ)

Simply asserting the similarity isn't there is no argument.

Obama and Trump have extremely similar personality types. Trump is more crass, but other than that, they are much the same.

Posted by: DRayRaven at August 17, 2015 02:41 PM (9YRwm)

606 So glad we didn't go through 2008 and 2012 embarrassed by our serious, actual conservative candidates. It worked out so well, for Obama and the left.
Posted by: rebel flounder at August 17, 2015 02:32 PM (Vf5rR)

I never said anything about McCain or Romney.

...but we do have actual conservatives running this time.
Trump isn't one of them.

Posted by: DRayRaven at August 17, 2015 02:42 PM (9YRwm)

607
Another great thing about Teh Don is that over several decades he has built and managed BILLIONS of dollars.
- Trump has more executive experience than all the other candidates COMBINED.

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 02:42 PM (l2dSQ)

608 Chilling the most:

He's asking for donations from the grassroots. That's good by me.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 17, 2015 02:43 PM (q5APL)

609 And one of several things that the sad and frustrated Nasty Trump Haters cannot deny is that Donald Trump is COMPETENT.

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 02:39 PM (l2dSQ)

Competent at running a government?
I can deny that all day long.
He has no demonstrable experience.

Running a business, where you can fire people for not doing what you want, is a hell of a lot different from being president, where your ability to govern is determined not only by experience, but by your ability to persuade.

Posted by: DRayRaven at August 17, 2015 02:45 PM (9YRwm)

610
It's a great that we finally have a candidate, Trump, who is fully committed to sealing our border with Mexico.

Teh Don is committed to ENDING the Illegal Immigration Crisis.

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 02:46 PM (l2dSQ)

611 A lot of Trump's plan is simply a restatement of what was supposed to happen after Simpson-Mazzoli. 30 years ago earnest promises were made about how we would bring immigration under control and the measures were not considered extreme.
Some of these recommendations echo recommendations from the 9-11 commission. Again, nothing considered extreme.
Trump's platform, however, will be considered extreme, because the political, business, and media elites have nothing but disdain for the average Americans who suffer from unchecked immigration. In contrast and for a variety of reasons, these same elites are enamored with a magical vision of the nobility of the illegals (possibly because many of them are reduced to boot-licking servility that is so hard to illicit from the native born).

I'm not keen on Trump, but damn this platform looks good.

Posted by: kraki at August 17, 2015 02:47 PM (TNa9O)

612
Wow, another embarassing failure of judgment.

Failing to recognize that Donald Trump has a mountain of executive experience that translates into executive leadership that the US Presidency is all about?

Wow.
You really have to be desperately frustrated with seeing Trump kick everyone's ass in the polls to believe he's not an effective executive.

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 02:50 PM (l2dSQ)

613
By the way, no one "runs" the US government. - We're not a monarchy.
Even the Senate majority leader doesn't run the Senate. He can't make his fellow Senators do anything. He certainly can't hire or fire them.

Only one branch of our government is run by someone.
That's called: The EXECUTIVE Branch.
And yes, Donald Trump as more EXECUTIVE experience than all the other candidates combined.

And yes, the president hires and fires people within his EXECUTIVE branch. Duh.

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 02:58 PM (l2dSQ)

614 And yes, the president hires and fires people within his EXECUTIVE branch. Duh.

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 02:58 PM (l2dSQ)

I love it when people who don't know what they're talking about say "duh" to me.

The number of people the president can fire is pretty limited. Congress passed a law a long time ago to get rid of the spoils system. Most civil servants keep their jobs no matter who the president is, and it is extremely hard to fire any of them.

...and it should go without saying the president can't fire members of Congress who disagree with him and refuse to pass laws he wants passed.

Posted by: DRayRaven at August 17, 2015 03:07 PM (9YRwm)

615

Yeah, you're the one who said that the US government is run by one person.

It's very clear you're the one who doesn't know what he's talking about.

Hey, but at least you admitted the US President does hire fire people.
However, are you aware the Cabinet Posts he hires and fires are very important positions?
With you, I honestly can't tell. Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense. Do you think those might be kind of important?

Anyway, I wonder if you'll ever figure that EXECUTIVE experience would be very important in running the EXECUTIVE branch of the US Presidency?

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 03:18 PM (l2dSQ)

616 Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 03:18 PM (l2dSQ)

When did I say the US government is run by one person?

Executive experience is important, but the kind of executive experience one has is more important. Trump has never been a governor of a state. He hasn't even run a federal agency or a department.

He gets to hire and fire practically at will, and when he says to do something, people ask "how high?"

The White House doesn't work that way.
Obama figure that out too late, and it's one (of many) reasons he's such a suck-ass president.

Trump would be no different.

Posted by: DRayRaven at August 17, 2015 03:22 PM (9YRwm)

617

To be emphatically clear just how "Duh"-worthy your comments are, I dare you to try to use any quote from this thread as an example of your claim of "not knowing what [you're] talking about".

I've already pointed out that when _you_ claimed the US Government is run by an individual that you didn't obviously didn't know what you're talking about.

Let's see if you can rise to the challenge.

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 03:23 PM (l2dSQ)

618 I, for one, want someone who can actually get something done and knows what he's talking about.

Trump doesn't fit that description.

Even if he did get there, he'd find out that people he can't fire in
Congress and the federal bureaucracy have no problem with telling him
to fuck off.

Posted by: DRayRaven at August 17, 2015 02:12 PM (9YRwm)
I suppose that depends entirely on what it is you want done. If you want Obamacare to be entrenched, amnesty passed, spending increased, and government enlarged, Jeb/Rubio/Kasich and the like can get those things done.
That's the problem. That's why Trump is getting support. Not because Trump is a great guy, or a great candidate, or even a conservative. He is merely a useful tool in bashing the GOP about the head and neck with.
Maybe the GOP will get it in time to salvage something. I doubt it though. The GOP is far to wedded to its leftism.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at August 17, 2015 03:27 PM (3ZtZW)

619 I don't really like Trump but I am starting to wonder about the Milton Friedman quote about not electing the perfect candidate but the one you can make do the right thing.

Maybe Trump's finger in the wind is pushing him in a direction that would be good for the country.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at August 17, 2015 03:27 PM (i7JE3)

620
In your comment#609, you clearly indicated that you thought politicians got elected to run governments.

Take your pick, a governorship or the US Presidency - both cases you are wrong that an individual runs the government.
So you are the one who did not know what he was talking about.
Yes, you deserved the "duh".

Can you quote me in similar fashion. No. You. Can. Not.

Check and mate.

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 03:28 PM (l2dSQ)

621 I never claimed the US government is run by an individual.
Simply put, I know it is not.

You did, however, equate running a company and the ability to hire and fire people with running the White House...and you promoted it as unassailable evidence of Trump's qualifications, experience, and competence (let's leave aside the fact that he has gone bankrupt FOUR TIMES).

These two jobs are not the same, and neither are the job skills required to do them well.

Ergo, you don't know what you're talking about.

Posted by: DRayRaven at August 17, 2015 03:28 PM (9YRwm)

622 Let's see if you can rise to the challenge.

DRAYrayray the HotAir troll?

Don't waste your time.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 17, 2015 03:29 PM (HJqXj)

623 let's leave aside the fact that he has gone bankrupt FOUR TIMES

so did Abraham Lincoln.

Slither back to Hot Air, troll.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 17, 2015 03:30 PM (HJqXj)

624 In your comment#609, you clearly indicated that you thought politicians got elected to run governments.

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 03:28 PM (l2dSQ)

Um, politicians DO get elected to run governments.
Whether they are presidents, governors, Congressmen, state legislators, school board members, or what have you, that is WHAT THEY DO.

Nowhere did I say ONE PERSON ALONE runs the government.

Geez, why am I even arguing with you?
Duh. Duh. Duh. and Duh.

Sure, checkmate, dude.
You knocked it out of the park.
Right over the catcher's head and behind the net.

Posted by: DRayRaven at August 17, 2015 03:32 PM (9YRwm)

625 DRAYrayray the HotAir troll?

Don't waste your time.
Posted by: some random meathead at August 17, 2015 03:29 PM (HJqXj)

Troll = someone who isn't in the Trump rah-rah cheering section and refuses to shut the fuck up and get on the bus.

So break my heart and call me a troll again. I think it's a badge of honor.

Posted by: DRayRaven at August 17, 2015 03:35 PM (9YRwm)

626 Harsh. Extreme. Imperative.

Posted by: General Zod at August 17, 2015 03:37 PM (Bdeb0)

627

So you're pretty good at constructing straw men arguments. But that's weak tea.

You're pretense that you didn't post comment #609 where you clearly indicated that an individual runs any government anywhere in the US clearly exposes you're ignorance.

You are clown-backpedaling now because you have no choice. You've already lost that one.

But worse, you maintain the bizarre pretense that the executive experience of hiring and firing and managing people in the decades long process of building BILLIONS of dollars in entrepreneurial wealth would not be helpful executive experience in the US Presidency.
- Apparently, you are the only one who doesn't realize you simply don't know what you're talking about.

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 03:38 PM (l2dSQ)

628 No.

Troll =Dumbfuck waste of time that argues past people without paying attention to a fucking thing that people say in order to continue it's anti-Trump campaign.

You are ridiculous fucktard who has nothing to contribute to conversation other than you hate Trump. Which everyone here was clear the first 900 times you trolled the blog with it.

You are a self serving pulling half-man who would never express yourself in the way that you do on this blog because you would get your nose broken.

Now spit the dick out of your mouth and fetch me a juicebox , troll bitch.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 17, 2015 03:40 PM (HJqXj)

629
But I'll explain it in a way so simple that eve you can understand. (It in no way requires that you analyze your ignorant comment # 609.)

Ready?
Here goes:

Trump = Mountains of Executive Experience and Competence.

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 03:41 PM (l2dSQ)

630 Trump's immigration reform platform paper is perfect. It's exactly what I want. I'm not making any predictions about Trump as a candidate, but I want a candidate who supports that platform.

Posted by: gp at August 17, 2015 03:45 PM (mk9aG)

631 You are a self serving pulling half-man who would never express yourself in the way that you do on this blog because you would get your nose broken.

Now spit the dick out of your mouth and fetch me a juicebox , troll bitch.
Posted by: some random meathead at August 17, 2015 03:40 PM (HJqXj)

Actually, I'm not that different in person than I am here, and guess what? My nose remains unbroken.

It's funny how so many people who claim they'd like to kick someone's ass don't have the balls to even try when the time comes.

It's funny how you go right for the gay when you hurl insults. Have some unresolved issues and yearnings you need to resolve?

Besides, I thought you liked the taste of Trump's splooge.

Posted by: DRayRaven at August 17, 2015 03:46 PM (9YRwm)

632
Unless, a real conservative like Cruz, Jindal, or Fiornia happens to become seriously competitive in the polls: Trump is our guy.

Trump may not be conservative - but he's right of center - and he's conservative as hell when it comes to stopping illegal immigration.
- I'll take it.

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 03:48 PM (l2dSQ)

633 Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 03:38 PM (l2dSQ)

Seriously...go away.

Imagine you won an argument if you want, but honestly...since meathead likes to imagine what would happen if we were arguing in person, I'll tell you. I would have walked away from you by now to find someone more interesting to talk to.

Posted by: DRayRaven at August 17, 2015 03:48 PM (9YRwm)

634 I'm detecting a great deal of sexual tension between prescient11, DRayRaven and Toyriser. The 3 of you should get together and knock boots. Take turns being the man and the woman.

It would be my pleasure to assist you...even join in.

Posted by: Call me Caitlyn at August 17, 2015 03:50 PM (hRytD)

635 Posted by: Call me Caitlyn at August 17, 2015 03:50 PM (hRytD)

lol

I think Trump needs you as his running mate.

Posted by: DRayRaven at August 17, 2015 03:51 PM (9YRwm)

636 "Full disclosure, I am for Trump, for lots of reasons, and BTW, I live and work in a decidedly democrat/union area, and they are almost all learning to Trump. That being said, however, Trump was on our local radio show last week and he said that he wasn't asking for donations and did not want them. Most people would have aplauded that, however, I did not. I took it as a sign that maybe possibly he did not want money because he might back out, and did not want it on his conscience that he took money from people who mightn't be able to afford it. So, if he starts asking for donations it will, IMO, signify he is serious. Either way, he is my candidate.
Posted by: Chilling the most at August 17, 2015 02:37 PM (zW5rQ)"

I'm pretty sure I saw an email blast that came through the daily caller for Trump that said he was matching donations. So you give 100 bucks, he'll give 100 bucks to his own campaign.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at August 17, 2015 03:54 PM (n/ogz)

637 635

*bats eyes suggestively at DRayRaven*

Posted by: Call me Caitlyn at August 17, 2015 03:55 PM (hRytD)

638
Sucks to lose an argument so badly, huh? - Especially when everyone can look back at your comments, examine them and see just how wrong you were.

That's why you've stopped defending them. Because they are that dumb.

And your unfounded and sad notion that Donald Trump's mountain of executive experience would be irrelevant to being US President (you know, chief EXECUTIVE) speaks for itself.

Just keep pretending like it doesn't sting.

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 03:56 PM (l2dSQ)

639
Actually, don't bother. Everybody knows it stings.

Let us know when you've figured out you've discredited your own judgment.

Then maybe we can consider taking you seriously again.

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 03:58 PM (l2dSQ)

640 Oh, poop on your pissing match.

Jeanne's gonna trump-de-trump!

Posted by: Jeanne up north at August 17, 2015 04:06 PM (C3q1L)

641 "Trump 2014. Romney's self-deport plan was mean and extreme.

Trump 2015. I'm going to deport EVERYONE!

Yeah , he needs to explain this."

I will explain again. Obamneycare's plan to self-deport was a plan that would effectively dry up the jobs so that the illegals would just go home. It worked for 4 years, Obamneycare managed to destroy the jobs and immigration slowed to a trickle. It was very CRUEL because it caught most of us Americans in the net as well.

You need to understand Trump, he sees everything from a business management viewpoint. He considered destroying the economy as being cruel. Merely deporting them all by the legal book is not cruel.

Posted by: doug at August 17, 2015 04:13 PM (IYEs/)

642
Yep, with Teh Trump, it's: "Bye-bye, anchor babies."

And with all the other candidates it's: "Wait! I was gonna say that!"
Yeah, suuuure you were.

"No really. Me too! Me too!"

Hey, now it's follow the leader. And the leader is: TRUMP.

Posted by: _Dave_ at August 17, 2015 04:36 PM (l2dSQ)

643 >>>It is not possible to get further to the restrictionist side of things than Trump.

He's doing what the Republican Party never has the balls to do.

Ask for more than what he wants to have room to negotiate to the desired outcome.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at August 17, 2015 04:59 PM (0q2P7)

644 Posted by: Call me Caitlyn at August 17, 2015 03:55 PM (hRytD)

*wink*

Posted by: DRayRaven at August 17, 2015 05:10 PM (q4f8l)

645 Just put the whole goddamn site in italics already.

Posted by: TallDave at August 17, 2015 05:10 PM (74ZYB)

646 32
Trump 2014. Romney's self-deport plan was mean and extreme.

Trump 2015. I'm going to deport EVERYONE!

Yeah , he needs to explain this.

There is a record of him talking about putting American 1st and limiting immigration in a NY Times interview from the late 90's. His 2011 book A Time to Get Tough is a very close mirror to the plan he released yesterday. In his 2013 CPAC speech he said that legalizing these immigrants would be a "suicide mission" for the GOP.

Posted by: JustSaying at August 17, 2015 05:20 PM (2qO9A)

647 Candidates can stake out whatever positions they like but that doesn't mean they can accomplish them.

Even the god-king of executive orders has failed for almost 7 years to immediately close Gitmo as promised.

Posted by: Lurking In The Wilderness at August 17, 2015 06:05 PM (1Y+hH)

648 Everyone on Earth knows Trumps stance on the border by now, yet he still loses by something like 20-30 points to Hillary in every single poll.

Posted by: Coolio at August 17, 2015 12:53 PM (WJtOf)

Wrong. Saw one yesterday (maybe here) that showed Trump losing to her 47-42 which is hardly 20-30 points.

Posted by: Lurking In The Wilderness at August 17, 2015 06:09 PM (1Y+hH)

649 I was thinking the same thing, Ace: now we'll KNOW how the majority feels. I think we'll be happily surprised that people do not want their jobs stolen by illegals. That's just common sense and I think it's more common than not. Eight years of Obama has been a cold dash of water.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 17, 2015 08:11 PM (xetep)

650 Psssst, Ace: Dave Brat already PROVED what people think on the issue of immigration/amnesty.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 17, 2015 08:34 PM (xetep)

651 I say give each illegal child a starter box of Chiclets and let them start their own business in Tijuana.

Posted by: cortezoid at August 18, 2015 12:37 AM (SerR8)

652 AND HTMLs IN EVERY BLOG COMMENT!!

Posted by: Donald Trum at August 18, 2015 12:56 AM (vlgjM)

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