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Coulter v. Cooke on Trump

At Hot Air for more commentary.

I watched this on YouTube last night and planned to discuss it since; I'm a bit unsure how to discuss it, because the points Cooke makes -- that Trump has been (or is, depending on the issue, and depending when you ask him) "very pro choice," in favor of the nonsense assault weapons ban, in favor of single payer socialized medicine (he cites socialist Canada and socialist-on-England's-dime Scotland as success stories), in favor of a wealth tax on the rich, considers himself more of a Democrat than a Republican, and of course has donated lots of money and praise to Hillary Clinton and her shady Foundation -- are simply deemed to not matter, for reasons that are never fully articulated.

And of course, Trump speaks vaguely about immigration, and even very recently said there must be some path to citizenship.

When conservatives speak of feeling as if they're in the Twilight Zone, as I think Cooke does here (or perhaps Beck does in that piece Allah cites), what they mean, and what I mean, is that conservatives who have previously told me they could never sell out their Sacred Constitutional Principles and support Candidate X due to his one-time heresy on Issue Y are now telling me that It doesn't matter that Trump thinks Planned Parenthood is a fabulous organization that does incredible, incredible work for the women and must be funded. (The fabulous/incredible parts are parody language, but he did say the "good parts" of Planned Parenthood must be funded -- which is actually the current posture of the law, and Planned Parenthood's position as well: They claim that when we give them millions of dollars, that doesn't go to abortions.)

So I'm not sure how to talk about "politics," because plainly we're in a post-political phase on this Trump matter: Issues don't matter, previous positions don't matter, current positions don't matter.

What matters is that Trump will fight. Who knows what his agenda is -- it is clear watching him make up major planks in real time that he doesn't know what his agenda is -- but he will "fight" for it, whatever it turns out to be.

So I guess this makes the discussion ultra-political, as in "beyond the political," above it, parallel to it: It's not about particular politics, it's not about conventional politics, it's about a rebellion against whatever we currently think conventional politics are, and so the fact that he was once "very pro choice" and in fact could not oppose even partial birth abortion is, for reasons that leave me scratching my head, completely irrelevant to any evaluation of him as a candidate.

So here's the argument, and I fully expect Charles C. W. Cooke to be branded a foreign faggit for noting that Trump supported an assault weapons ban, despite the fact that Cooke has been one of the right's most vigorous (some might say crazed) defenders of the 2nd Amendment, whereas Trump will be labeled a hero for previously supporting the assault weapons ban and, supposedly now, opposing it, though who knows what his position will be in twenty-four hours

So let the savaging of the foreign English fruitcake Charles Cooke begin, even though he's been an American conservative longer than Donald Trump.

That's one of the most disgraceful things in all of this, that the punishment for speaking facts which are not useful to Trump's candidacy is a SWJ style social media shaming.

That said, Coulter does have a point that what the candidates say about immigration "is just their way of lying to us."

That's true, I'm afraid.

But then, Trump has not been "consistent" on immigration, even during his own candidacy, and I kinda think his way of talking about "such a wall you wouldn't believe" is his way of lying to us about amnesty.

Posted by: Ace at 01:50 PM




Comments

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1 I guess Friday is Trump day here at the HQ.

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 14, 2015 01:51 PM (270sC)

2 Oh, and first.

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 14, 2015 01:51 PM (270sC)

3 So where is everybody?

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 14, 2015 01:52 PM (270sC)

4 >>>1 I guess Friday is Trump day here at the HQ.


every day is now Trump day all over the internet.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 01:52 PM (dciA+)

5 So we shouldn't vote for Trump because he's not conservative enough. Instead we should LOVE Jeb who is not at all conservative.

Yeah that makes a lot of sense.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 01:52 PM (0LHZx)

6 Let's all be independent thinkers together!

Posted by: JohnJ at August 14, 2015 01:53 PM (TF/YA)

7 Remember when I promised to build a wall?

I lied.

Posted by: Colonel John Matrix Trump at August 14, 2015 01:54 PM (2lndx)

8 Trump's a loosed wrecking-ball. If the GOP wants him to go away, they should, for once, shut the living fuck up.

No truer a descriptive than "The Stupid Party."

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2015 01:54 PM (ZCFje)

9 >>>o we shouldn't vote for Trump because he's not conservative enough. Instead we should LOVE Jeb who is not at all conservative.

Yeah that makes a lot of sense.

...

no it doesn't make sense which is why you're smitten with that silly strawman.

I don't believe anyone on this site -- I mean ANYONE -- has ever actually expressed support for Jeb.

And yet you keep insisting that anyone who don't love Mr. Trump must love Jeb.

I have never seen a coblogger even say something *positive* about Jeb. I can't recall a *commenter* even saying something positive.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 01:54 PM (dciA+)

10 Whenever I see the Romney supporter's name (the Romney who created ObamaCare, Amnesty, had a illegal alien maid and sanctuary cities while one-term gov. of the most liberal state in the union, and ran left of Ted Kennedy to win it) I get sick in my stomach and immediately turn in any other direction but her face.

Posted by: jdavid at August 14, 2015 01:55 PM (1M7hH)

11 Jeb To Telemundo: My #1 priority is amnesty and border security isn't that important.

Jeb to an English audience: I really don't support amnesty and my #1 priority will be border enforcement

But yeah, let's ignore that and go apeshit that 15 years ago Trump said something you don't like.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 01:55 PM (0LHZx)

12 but let's talk about that, then:

Why shouldn't we support Jeb, if issues and policies simply do not matter?

That was the justification for opposing Jeb, his liberalish, moderate stance on many issues.

Why doesn't a similar logic apply to Trump?

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 01:55 PM (dciA+)

13 It's political silly season. I don't know who I'll support yet. I know who I like at the moment and who I don't, but that can change by the moment. When votes start being counted I take things serious, but for now I enjoy the butt hurt and head explosions Trump is causing.

Posted by: wrg500 at August 14, 2015 01:56 PM (FEAjO)

14
E 'giorno di Donald Briscola.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 14, 2015 01:56 PM (iQIUe)

15 off topic, something for the easily offended SJWs:

http://tinyurl.com/nbzazu3

Posted by: mallfly at August 14, 2015 01:56 PM (qSIlh)

16 5 So we shouldn't vote for Trump because he's not conservative enough. Instead we should LOVE Jeb who is not at all conservative.

This would make sense if Trump was less conservative than awkward amphibian Jerb, but since he wasn't until last month, it doesn't.

Unless you now believe Jerb when he says he's super special awesome against amnesty too, but I doubt you're on Team Jerb now.

Posted by: GOPinTX at August 14, 2015 01:56 PM (sQQU0)

17
no it doesn't make sense which is why you're smitten with that silly strawman.

I don't believe anyone on this site -- I mean ANYONE -- has ever actually expressed support for Jeb.

And yet you keep insisting that anyone who don't love Mr. Trump must love Jeb.

I have never seen a coblogger even say something *positive* about Jeb. I can't recall a *commenter* even saying something positive.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 01:54 PM (dciA+)

__________

I didn't mean you or the cobs were saying this. I meant it's what the GOP intelligentsia keeps saying.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 01:56 PM (0LHZx)

18 This is an unusually silly silly season. Thank goodness Ace is covering this. I can't watch this $h!t because I no longer drink. You have to be extremely buzzed to continually view this crap.

Posted by: hadoop at August 14, 2015 01:57 PM (2X7pN)

19 I think Trump's position on the Planned Parenthood is that the government needs to fund the "good parts" and PP will sell "bad parts."

Posted by: Shtetl G at August 14, 2015 01:57 PM (SopIT)

20 Trump is going to have a massive rally in Iowa tomorrow.

You're move GOPe.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 14, 2015 01:57 PM (mysAS)

21 "What matters is that Trump will fight. Who knows what his agenda is --
it is clear watching him make up major planks in real time that he
doesn't know what his agenda is -- but he will "fight" for it, whatever
it turns out to be."

So vote for the man who impresses you by lashing out angrily...even though you don't really know who he might lash out angrily against at any given moment. Including the people and things you support.

See, this is probably why I REALLY left NYC. I just isn't smart enuf to unnerstan that real intelijent brain thinking.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at August 14, 2015 01:58 PM (Kucy5)

22 >>>I didn't mean you or the cobs were saying this. I meant it's what the GOP intelligentsia keeps saying.

who in the intelligentsia supports Jeb? Please give me the names -- I can't think of anyone off the top of my head who supports Jeb. I'm sure there must be some, but I can't think of them.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 01:58 PM (dciA+)

23 People spoke about "LIV's" as if they were all leftists. It only seems that way.

Posted by: Oschisms at August 14, 2015 01:58 PM (rWEJn)

24 I don't believe anyone on this site -- I mean ANYONE -- has ever actually expressed support for Jeb.

And yet you keep insisting that anyone who don't love Mr. Trump must love Jeb.

I have never seen a coblogger even say something *positive* about Jeb. I can't recall a *commenter* even saying something positive.

Posted by: ace


Peter Robinson spend a few millennia on the Ricochet podcast extolling the conservative virtues and goods of El Jebe.

Apparently he is Ronald Reagan's mind-baby birthed by Ayn Rand.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2015 01:59 PM (ZCFje)

25 Foreign fruitcake faggot Friday!

Posted by: Insomniac at August 14, 2015 01:59 PM (2Ojst)

26 So vote for Jeb cuz consistently bad policy? Mmmkay.

Posted by: Hank, Your Friend in Congress at August 14, 2015 01:59 PM (oDCMR)

27 "What matters is that Trump will fight. Who knows what his agenda is -- it is clear watching him make up major planks in real time that he doesn't know what his agenda is -- but he will "fight" for it, whatever it turns out to be."


It has been kind of obvious* that parts of the Conservative base have been frustrated for years, looking for someone who will tell the Media, the Left, the Democrats - all of the SJW's - exactly where they can get off and not crumple like tissue in the backlash. Trump will insult all of the people that his supporters are currently angry with. And he enjoys the backlash. His supporters are deliriously joyful that their political and cultural opponents are catching some punches.

*I read AoSHQ.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Free Shipping for Atrocities, Monstrosities, and Barbarisms at the Outrage Outlet! at August 14, 2015 02:00 PM (hLRSq)

28 who in the intelligentsia supports Jeb? Please give me the names -- I can't think of anyone off the top of my head who supports Jeb. I'm sure there must be some, but I can't think of them.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 01:58 PM (dciA+)

__________

Oh I dunno, everyone who works at National Review for starters.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 02:00 PM (0LHZx)

29 >>>So vote for the man who impresses you by lashing out angrily...even though you don't really know who he might lash out angrily against at any given moment. Including the people and things you support.

taking this point and expanding it...

the fact that trump probably can't be bought, and doesn't care what people think, is a double-edged sword: conservatives supporting him don't seem to realize that Trump just might not care about what THEY think, either.

Let's say there's a mass shooting. THere will be another mass shooting, of course.

Trump has previously come out in favor of the AWB; and he seems to like playing to the popular, populist sentiments -- which are NOT all conservative, not even close.

he seems to have a bit of O'Reilly's "We must do something" tic in him.

So are you all sure that Trump will oppose a ban?

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 02:01 PM (dciA+)

30 Medicine time!

Posted by: Nurse Ratched at August 14, 2015 02:01 PM (Yrjee)

31 I won't vote for Jeb Bush under any circumstances up to and including all other candidates dying prior to the election.

Posted by: hadoop at August 14, 2015 02:01 PM (2X7pN)

32 Stump for the Trump baby!

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/women-donald-trump-gives-hope-to-black-lives/

Posted by: I like these ladies but man it feels like we are in the Twilight Zone at August 14, 2015 02:01 PM (hvf9s)

33 >>>Oh I dunno, everyone who works at National Review for starters.

citations please. Who, and in what column?

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 02:01 PM (dciA+)

34 GOP intelligentsia


one of these is not like the other

Posted by: BignJames at August 14, 2015 02:02 PM (xlQNC)

35 Why doesn't a similar logic apply to Trump?





Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 01:55 PM (dciA+)

Because I just don't like Jebs fat face.

Posted by: Dirty Randy at August 14, 2015 02:02 PM (jjaLl)

36 I love Ann Coulter.

Posted by: BacktoGA at August 14, 2015 02:02 PM (/22Vh)

37 Ace, one angle you are missing is that no one, left, right or middle, thinks Big Government can do diddly squat even if they have the right policies. Call it the Hussein Hangover.

Trump has actually built things. And did it on time and on budget. He actually has a large payroll and the checks don't bounce. I know this disqualifies him for public service but it does separate him from all other candidates - Left or Right.

Posted by: Hank, Your Friend in Congress at August 14, 2015 02:02 PM (oDCMR)

38 Well hell, looks like i've been misspelling faggit all this time. Amazing what you can learn on these intertubes.

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at August 14, 2015 02:02 PM (X+nFp)

39 9 Someone once remarked I have a larger vagina than Hillary. That's positive, right?

.....it's also better groomed, I might add:

Posted by: Jeb! at August 14, 2015 02:03 PM (lRwmz)

40 >>>>So let the savaging of the foreign English fruitcake Charles Cooke begin, even though he's been an American conservative longer than Donald Trump.

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You're better than this and the paragraph preceding it ace. It reeks of another blogger I used to read who whenever he linked Andrew Sullivan would always go "yes boo he's gay." Basically to try and shut down all criticism preemptively by claiming "you just don't like him because you're a homophobe."

Posted by: Buzzion at August 14, 2015 02:03 PM (z/Ubi)

41 >>>It has been kind of obvious* that parts of the Conservative base have been frustrated for years, looking for someone who will tell the Media, the Left, the Democrats - all of the SJW's - exactly where they can get off and not crumple like tissue in the backlash. Trump will insult all of the people that his supporters are currently angry with. And he enjoys the backlash. His supporters are deliriously joyful that their political and cultural opponents are catching some punches.


fair enough, but... i dunno, I remember Jesse Ventura likewise "took on the entrenched interests," and he turned out to be a very left-leaning conspiracy nut asshole.

BTW, trump is anti-vax. He seems to believe many conspiracies.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 02:03 PM (dciA+)

42 To be fair to Trump, the one time I've seen him both be given the time and take the time to explain his position on PP (it was on Lou Dobbs a few days ago) he said 1) PP does lots of good work, but 2) as long as they're doing abortions they shouldn't get public funding. Now, that might be a complete 180 from previous statements he's made, but it is a coherent position for him to take now.

I think Coulter is ignoring the fact that Trump is okay with some form of legalization and that he uses the expression "a wall with a wide door" to indicate that he's still okay with high levels of legal immigration even from Mexico. And Coulter is clearly opposed to that. I think she's just happy that immigration is front and center, and she's hoping someone will take the hint that it matters to voters.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at August 14, 2015 02:03 PM (nFdGS)

43 Trump's boom began with him talking about controlling the borders and actually a sane immigration policy. If he's backtracking on that, his support will go down fast.

It won't go to zero, not only because of his celebrity, but because people are using Trump as a way to poke the GOPe in the eye.

Trump is a symptom of two things: first,a significant number of people want this country to have enforced borders and immigration policy and NO amnesty, and don't trust the GOPe favorites on any of those; and second, a significant number of GOP voters are sick to death of being lied to, and see the party leadership as uncaring at best, or at worst collaborationist with the Obama regime. The party leadership is not trusted, it is *despised* by many of us.

Until the GOP successfully grapples with those two issues, Trump will continue to be an issue. Trump's ascendance was almost inevitable, given the failures of the party leadership.

Posted by: Agent J at August 14, 2015 02:04 PM (ueOgE)

44 So I don't follow Coulter much and don't know if I should be surprised at what a Trumpswab she is.

That foreign guy befuddled her on AWB and she just spluttered about other people being for it, too.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at August 14, 2015 02:04 PM (JtwS4)

45
fair enough, but... i dunno, I remember Jesse Ventura likewise "took on the entrenched interests," and he turned out to be a very left-leaning conspiracy nut asshole.

BTW, trump is anti-vax. He seems to believe many conspiracies.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 02:03 PM (dciA+)

HAARP like, generates weather-control rays, maaan!

Posted by: Insomniac at August 14, 2015 02:04 PM (2Ojst)

46 Also, Fred Barnes on Michael Midol's show yesterday picked El Jebe as his conservative choice.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2015 02:04 PM (ZCFje)

47 I can't recall a *commenter* even saying something positive.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 01:54 PM (dciA+)

Y'know, I was about to post something snarkily contrarian to this statement and point out something good about Jeb!. Honest to god I come up empty. He is such a non-entity I can't even make fun of him.

Posted by: ObjectionSustained at August 14, 2015 02:04 PM (GEPyW)

48 Trump is a wheeler-dealer. Trump is in favor of Trump. Trump is not a conservative. If you lose track of these three facts you will be fooled.

Posted by: joncelli, Adjusting the Tinfoil Hat at August 14, 2015 02:04 PM (RD7QR)

49 35 Why doesn't a similar logic apply to Trump?

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 01:55 PM (dciA+)

Because I just don't like Jebs fat face.
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Jeb would make the perfect actor for Piggy should they remake an adult version of Lord of the Flies. Hell, make it a TeeVee serial - it would bump the Kardashians off.

Posted by: Hank, Your Friend in Congress at August 14, 2015 02:04 PM (oDCMR)

50 Jesus I am so sick of this Trump talk. He is running . LET THE VOTERS DECIDE

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2015 02:05 PM (DUoqb)

51 Trump is the GOP bases "Can you hear me now!" Candidate to GOPe.

It would seem GOPe is complety deaf and incapable of understanding what I believe to be an important and urgent message.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 14, 2015 02:05 PM (mysAS)

52 I'm all for hitting Teh Donald on issues - that's how candidates should be handling him. Charles isn't hardly outlier foreign blah-blah on attacking Trump - the entirety of National Review has gone into status shaming panic. At least CC made a more substantive run at him than the disgusting race-baiting piece NRO ran yesterday. I'm attacking the Thought Leader conceit, not debating the issues.

And you hit his popularity on the head - he sounds as if he will fight and he's angry about where America stands right now. That will buy him a great deal of leeway for flip-floppery. Perhaps the "serious candidates" might see some utility in this approach, but I doubt it. They'll continue to wonk and mushmouth and doubletalk until the electorate either slumbers or vomits.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at August 14, 2015 02:05 PM (+EFq5)

53 >>>You're better than this and the paragraph preceding it ace. It reeks of another blogger I used to read who whenever he linked Andrew Sullivan would always go "yes boo he's gay." Basically to try and shut down all criticism preemptively by claiming "you just don't like him because you're a homophobe."

you think it's wrong of me to be upset by the savaging of commentators for daring to disagree with an impassioned majority?

Look at what's going on here: You are saying that *I'm* shutting down conversation, when what I'm objecting to is other people's attempts to shut down conversation.

Calling Cooke a faggit is not really having a discussion, it is attempting to shame him into shutting up.

Now, no one has done that, but Cooke published two of his hate mails on Twitter last night and they did just that. (Though, admittedly, the one beginning "Dear F*cK Face" was kinda funny.)

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 02:05 PM (dciA+)

54 Oh Ace, you're such a sweet silly seesaw, one day FUCK THE GOPE and another day intellectually curious about the rabbit hole populism that is Trumpism. We love ya.

Posted by: Mister Magic at August 14, 2015 02:05 PM (x/xSJ)

55 Ace,

So what you're saying is that nobody actually supports Jeb. OK so all the vitriol directed at Trump is by whom exactly? Ben Carson supporters?

The race is basically Jeb vs. Not Jeb. Right now the not Jeb is Trump. So Jeb's allies are don't all they can to destroy him. If it weren't Trump but say Cruz, they'd do all they could to destroy Cruz.

And by they I mean NR, George Will, Fox News (sans Hannity), WSJ, etc.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 02:05 PM (0LHZx)

56 I guess Friday is Trump day here at the HQ.

Posted by: OregonMuse at August 14, 2015 01:51 PM (270sC)


And livin' rent free!

Posted by: Teh Donald at August 14, 2015 02:05 PM (7YlUk)

57 Trump speaks vaguely about immigration,

And everything else.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 14, 2015 02:06 PM (W5DcG)

58
Trump is no more a liar or a flip flopper than the rest of them

as for conservative political pundits being called names. Well that too bad a not nice. But they have been slinging the mud pretty well too. If you cant take the heat, get out of the kitchen Lord know the names that both sides have been calling the voters who do not obey

Posted by: ThunderB at August 14, 2015 02:06 PM (zOTsN)

59
So let the savaging of the foreign English fruitcake Charles Cooke begin,


The problem with Cooke expressing his opinion is that he has to take his mouth off a dick to do it.

Seriously, EVERY CANDIDATE IN THIS RACE can be pointed to about flip-floppery, inconsistency, deception, etc., and even MORESO THE PARTY ITSELF. This honestly all seems to be outrage that the WRONG LIAR is getting support.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 14, 2015 02:06 PM (oVJmc)

60 for reasons that are never fully articulated

ace, you are a liar.

I and several other commenters here have explained to you repeatedly that supporting Trump allows us to harm our enemies in the comfortable/establishment 'class' insofar as he is something they very much do not want. His longterm positions are irrelevant because his arrogance and propensity for conflict guarantee misery for the status quo party.

Others, namely prescient, have taken the position that they do not believe what you claim are his positions, are in fact his positions. I think prescient is being generous, but even so, he's no more likely to be disappointed by Trump than any of the weaksauce establishment guys you would choose for us.

Posted by: Methos at August 14, 2015 02:06 PM (ZbV+0)

61 Why doesn't a similar logic apply to Trump?



Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 01:55 PM (dciA+)


Because Trump is standing there, insulting all of the people who have been insulting the Conservative base for years, and not crumpling at the first backlash. He's punching back for people who have been frustrated in their inability to find anyone who can both swing a punch and survive the backlash.

Let the catharsis run its course.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Free Shipping for Atrocities, Monstrosities, and Barbarisms at the Outrage Outlet! at August 14, 2015 02:06 PM (hLRSq)

62 Helluva step up in the First Daughter department.


http://tinyurl.com/nfxw5as


*yum

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 14, 2015 02:06 PM (fWAjv)

63 and buzzion, if you're claiming that roughhouse tactics are not being deployed to protect Donald Trump from negative commentary, you are simply out to lunch.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 02:07 PM (dciA+)

64 Trump is a wheeler-dealer. Trump is in favor of Trump. Trump is not a conservative. If you lose track of these three facts you will be fooled.
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As compared to?

Posted by: Just thinking out loud at August 14, 2015 02:07 PM (ShdUd)

65 I support Trump's right to give the commentariat heart palpitations.

Whether he has any staying power in the polls should be answered in 30 days or so.

Also, he is supposed to present more detailed position papers in the next few days. That should an interesting collection of thoughts.

Related to that, Ben Carson has given answers at Breitbart to a wide variety of position questions; I read his 2nd Amendment one and he claims he didn't express himself very well on no assault weapons in cities and that he supports the 2nd unreservedly.

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 14, 2015 02:07 PM (gyKtp)

66 the race is against the established pro amnesty republican party

Posted by: ThunderB at August 14, 2015 02:07 PM (zOTsN)

67 And Coulter is clearly opposed to that.

No, she's not. She believes that the United States should select immigrants based on skill and need. Have you read any of her books?

Posted by: hadoop at August 14, 2015 02:07 PM (2X7pN)

68 When Trump's name is in the title, I can't hit refresh fast enough. Bullets flying everywhere.

Posted by: BacktoGA at August 14, 2015 02:07 PM (/22Vh)

69 BTW, trump is anti-vax. He seems to believe many conspiracies.

Vaxes are overrated.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 14, 2015 02:08 PM (0NdlF)

70 who in the intelligentsia supports Jeb? Please give me the names -- I can't think of anyone off the top of my head who supports Jeb. I'm sure there must be some, but I can't think of them.



Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 01:58 PM (dciA+)



GOPe = Goldstein

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Free Shipping for Atrocities, Monstrosities, and Barbarisms at the Outrage Outlet! at August 14, 2015 02:08 PM (hLRSq)

71 But it's not an unusual political season. Trump is merely Ross Perot Redux.

In fact, it's a rather typical political season.

Posted by: JohnJ at August 14, 2015 02:08 PM (TF/YA)

72 A beneficial but unlikely development on the Right would be a retconning to the days when the support of a candidacy could be nuanced. At least in the feverish realm of pol-blogs, where a support of one candidate or another not only defines your entire philosophy, but your actual identity. And it's a reciprocal arrangement in some cases. I call you a "Mittbot" or "Trumpkin" or whatever dim-witted eponym catches hold, you defend everything the attackee does/did in order to defend "yourself", though "yourself" is not under attack until you acquiesce to lower yourself to a one-dimensional shrieking idiot.

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 14, 2015 02:08 PM (2cS/G)

73 So are you all sure that Trump will oppose a ban?
Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 02:01 PM


Are you sure ANY candidate will?

I didn't think so.

Seems to be the things for which you pillory Trump are the same moments of inconsistency that are part and parcel of every candidate's resume, whether R, D or GOPe.

Trump is still doing what I want him to do: he's leaving behind an ever-lengthening trail of exploded GOPe, "Conservative" Commentariat and Democrat heads. He's an equal-opportunity thorn in the side of the Great Game of Politics class.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 14, 2015 02:08 PM (0atQl)

74 Coulter has it right.

He hasn't spent his life being a policy wonk.

He's a business guy. His success/payoff is measured in profit.

The rest are politics guys. Their success/payoff is measured in lying to get their asses re-elected.


Posted by: some random meathead at August 14, 2015 02:08 PM (Yrjee)

75 Didn't Jeb recently get 103 million in super pac money?

Who are these people/organizations/companies?

Posted by: Seems Legit at August 14, 2015 02:08 PM (Xa4vS)

76 TRUMP 2016: There will HELL Toupee.

Posted by: nowayjose


LOL, I like it.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at August 14, 2015 02:08 PM (/Ho8c)

77 And by they I mean NR, George Will, Fox News (sans Hannity), WSJ, etc.
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Allegedly Conservative Media.

Posted by: Hank, Your Friend in Congress at August 14, 2015 02:08 PM (oDCMR)

78 I think Trump will burn out. However, it's not completely fair to attack Trump for changing positions. He's written books as far back as 98-99 espousing conservative views. More Ross Perot than GOP, but still conservative. Why not read his own words, rather than let everyone else speak for him?

Posted by: Old Hob at August 14, 2015 02:09 PM (T1Jm0)

79 I think Trump popularity is a sign that we're in a tribal affiliation stage in the process where Trump is just a "campion" of the cause not its leader. At least I hope it's just a phase because that would mean the reason for the party, political representation, is gone and we're now all thunder dome'y.

But why didn't Gingrich grab as much attention? He fought pretty well against Dems and the MSM. But, just thinking about it here, maybe that's the difference. We don't care about the broader R vs. D / Collectivist vs. Libertine fight anymore. We lost? It's over? We think the other side can't be convinced?

I don't know but I think now we collectively just want a fight/schism on our side. And Trump is just the means to that end

Posted by: bananaDream at August 14, 2015 02:09 PM (vLk7c)

80 So are you all sure that Trump will oppose a ban?

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 02:01 PM (dciA+)

_____________

No.

But I am also pretty sure El Jeb, Kasich, Fiorina and Rubio would be signing that ban at lightning speed.

Which comes back to my first post....we can't vote for Trump because he's not conservative enough on issue X, but we're totally jazzed about (fill in the blank candidate) that is even less conservative on issue X.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 02:09 PM (0LHZx)

81 its ironic that the most ardent LIB folks are the most distressed at the loss of control of the repubican party over the base

Posted by: ThunderB at August 14, 2015 02:09 PM (zOTsN)

82 >>>But it's not an unusual political season. Trump is merely Ross Perot Redux.

In fact, it's a rather typical political season.

...

i remember that working out rather poorly. A lot of people who said "And I don't even care if this winds up with a Clinton being in the White House" wound up caring a great deal more that there was a Clinton in the White House than they previously imagined.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 02:09 PM (dciA+)

83 "She believes that the United States should select immigrants based on skill and need. Have you read any of her books?"
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Better to select them by the rule of existing immigration law. Follow the law. What a concept. Anyone want to support that?

Posted by: Just thinking out loud at August 14, 2015 02:09 PM (ShdUd)

84 43 Trump's boom began with him talking about controlling the borders and actually a sane immigration policy. If he's backtracking on that, his support will go down fast.

It won't go to zero, not only because of his celebrity, but because people are using Trump as a way to poke the GOPe in the eye.

----

The problem would then become getting people to catch that. Articles of "look you stupid hicks Trump has changed his views on border security again aren't going to do that. And neither are debates where one of the questions is a Megan Kelly "how many times do you beat your wife in a day?" Because that becomes all that anyone talks about.

Posted by: Buzzion at August 14, 2015 02:09 PM (z/Ubi)

85 >Seems to be the things for which you pillory Trump are the same moments of inconsistency that are part and parcel of every candidate's resume, whether R, D or GOPe.

Yeah, one of the worst parts of the criticisms of Trump is that the criticisms they make would equally apply not just to Jeb, but to fucking Romney and McCain by and large.

'He's probably insincere about his support for various conservative causes!'

Oh yeah, whereas we can completely trust Bush.

Posted by: Crude at August 14, 2015 02:10 PM (DUynq)

86 campian = champion

Posted by: bananaDream at August 14, 2015 02:10 PM (vLk7c)

87
I also find it amusing that killing the GOPe has outstripped conservative issues from conservative trump supporters. And I do understand that level of anger, I have it myself.

What I don't get is not that conservatives want to jab a thumb in the eye of the GOPe, but the continual claims that trump is some kind of conservative himself.

He will do nada, zip, nothing about illegal immigration. His core being is a NY liberal.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 14, 2015 02:10 PM (ODxAs)

88 >>>Are you sure ANY candidate will?

um, yes. For example, I am 100% sure that Cruz will.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 02:10 PM (dciA+)

89 They're all bullshitters. I prefer my bullshitter to not walk with it's head held down and tail between it's legs when attacked.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 14, 2015 02:10 PM (fWAjv)

90 "...you are simply out to lunch"

Hey now, easy! I thought we were trying to keep this discussion civil!!!

Posted by: Dirty Randy at August 14, 2015 02:10 PM (jjaLl)

91 who in the intelligentsia supports Jeb? Please give me the names -- I can't think of anyone off the top of my head who supports Jeb. I'm sure there must be some, but I can't think of them.



Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 01:58 PM (dciA+)

Somebody gave him 103 million dollars so I assume they tacitly support the MF.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at August 14, 2015 02:11 PM (R8hU8)

92 I don't get the "ace is choosing a candidate for us" deal?

When has that happened?

Posted by: Seems Legit at August 14, 2015 02:11 PM (Xa4vS)

93

Trump scratches the surface of every issue so far. Even when he says he is talking policy, he's not, he's just generalizing. I haven't decided whether this is good or bad, because so many politicians do this. Some do lay out policy positions, and post them to their websites, but I never believe any of them anymore anyway.

I would love to ask Trump which Executive Orders he would reverse right away. Day 1. Which ones?

I bet he says none.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 02:11 PM (qCMvj)

94 Donald Trump is to POTUS is what David Souter is to SCOTUS.

Posted by: Wisrich at August 14, 2015 02:11 PM (hdpay)

95 Watch Trump in full bluster mode and don't listen to what he's saying.

Watch footage of Mussolini.

Draw your own conclusions.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at August 14, 2015 02:11 PM (JtwS4)

96 Why shouldn't we support Jeb, if issues and policies simply do not matter?

Because it gives the gope what they want.

Also, lack of entertainment.

Posted by: Methos at August 14, 2015 02:11 PM (ZbV+0)

97 69 BTW, trump is anti-vax. He seems to believe many conspiracies.

Vaxes are overrated.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 14, 2015 02:08 PM (0NdlF)

Eh, the real problem is VMS.

Posted by: joncelli, Adjusting the Tinfoil Hat at August 14, 2015 02:11 PM (RD7QR)

98 You asked for policy, well here it is straight from the Trump campaign:


"Planned Parenthood will not get one fucking dime until it stops doing abortions. And we will absolutely shut down the government until that happens."


If we're going to opine, can we at least be accurate. The muddled position Ace puts forward as Trump's position is false.


All one needs to do is go check out Matt Boyle's piece at Breitbart on this, just google Boyle, Breitbart and Planned Parenthood.


You see, for all those like Cooke who suffer from TDS, it is us who feels like we are in the twilight zone. The problem with Trump critics is that they never fucking bother to check out what the guy has to say. They all assume they know.


He didn't say he supports single payer. He said that it appears to work in some places and we should study it. Want to know what he says about guns, go read the Ammoland interview and see what you think.


Again, is everyone taking crazy pills? Stop misrepresenting his fucking positions if there is to be a real debate on the merits of his candidacy. That is why we are calling it TDS.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 14, 2015 02:11 PM (q5APL)

99 trump specifically tweeted last year that vaxes cause AUTISM (his caps)

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 02:11 PM (dciA+)

100 Vaxes are overrated.

When I left the university a year and a half ago, the IT department was still looking forward to deactivating the VAX boxes. They'd been trying to get rid of them for at least a decade. By now they're all running on emulation, they don't even have hardware they can run on.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 14, 2015 02:11 PM (2lndx)

101 Vaxes are overrated.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster


And you have to know VMS.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 14, 2015 02:12 PM (W5DcG)

102 Trump and Sanders are both getting a lot of support because they are telling the powers that be to fuck off. And both the left and the right is sick of their powers that be.

Sanders is a right wing lunatic when it comes to guns in the eyes of many of his supporters. But you don't see them saying FUCK BERNIE because of one issue. They see the bigger picture. On the right that's very seldom the case. Don't agree with me 100% of the time on 100% of the issues...FUCK YOU, NEXT!!

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 02:12 PM (0LHZx)

103

the establishment will not let Cruz get elected

will not

now what if Cruz forms an unholy alliance with Trump

Posted by: ThunderB at August 14, 2015 02:12 PM (zOTsN)

104 Self confidence is a key attribute of what people look for in a President. Look at the last few elections. Losers lose - Mondale, Dukakis, GHWB (he had more confidence than Dukakis; less than Clinton) Dole, Gore, Kerry, McCain, Romney. That's why Trump is so attractive. You can't argue Trump people out of supporting him based on positions because they have an emotional attachment based on his confidence and swagger. It's why people went ga ga for Obama. It also helped Reagan - not all his supporters cared about issues either.

Posted by: zmdavid at August 14, 2015 02:12 PM (2k2fb)

105 Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 02:09 PM (dciA+)

The Venn Diagram of Trump supporters vs. LIBs vs. apoplectic with rage at a Clinton presidency would be enlightening.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 14, 2015 02:12 PM (Zu3d9)

106 um, yes. For example, I am 100% sure that Cruz will.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 02:10 PM


And I am not.

One of us is wrong, and unfortunately we'll never know who unless it happens during a Cruz presidency.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 14, 2015 02:12 PM (0atQl)

107 And Coulter is clearly opposed to that.

No, she's not. She believes that the United States should select immigrants based on skill and need. Have you read any of her books?


Posted by: hadoop at August 14, 2015 02:07 PM (2X7pN)

As a matter of fact, I have. Have *you*? She wants a moratorium on ALL immigration for a generation until we can get a handle on the situation. And she discusses extensively what a crock the "we need high skill" argument is when it's used to drive down American wages.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at August 14, 2015 02:13 PM (nFdGS)

108 Better to select them by the rule of existing immigration law. Follow the law. What a concept. Anyone want to support that?

Better for whom? BTW, you just side-stepped the mischaracterization of Coulter's position on immigration.

Posted by: hadoop at August 14, 2015 02:13 PM (2X7pN)

109 So we shouldn't vote for Trump because he's not conservative enough. Instead we should LOVE Jeb who is not at all conservative. Yeah that makes a lot of sense.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 01:52 PM (0LHZx)

No one here--no one--is advocating Jeb! love, so that's a strawman. And about that 'not conservative enough' bit: your guy buys believes or has until very recently believed in and advocated nearly every point on the Dem platform and wish list, such as single payer, gun control, and taxation policy. Saying 'not conservative enough' is a bit of a disengenuousness on your part, don't you think?

Jeb!, for all of his RINO squishiness, does have a conservative record as Governor of Florida. Trump has no such conservative record, either in the real world or in your fevered imagination.

Posted by: troyriser at August 14, 2015 02:13 PM (Bvf82)

110 Don't let the MSM and the Left use Trump as a wedge to split the right

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2015 02:13 PM (DUoqb)

111 Cruz was basically ignored during the first debate but has kept going into towns, talking to people, articulating his positions and trying to stay above the craziness.

I think he's a smart and serious candidate and whants to continue campaigning that way.

Reibus would be foolish to ignore him.

Posted by: Seems Legit at August 14, 2015 02:13 PM (Xa4vS)

112 5 So we shouldn't vote for Trump because he's not conservative enough. Instead we should LOVE Jeb who is not at all conservative.

Yeah that makes a lot of sense.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 01:52 PM (0LHZx)


OK, no. That binary is a false choice.

How many GOP candidates are there, again?

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at August 14, 2015 02:14 PM (Edob3)

113 I would love to ask Trump which Executive Orders he would reverse right away. Day 1. Which ones?

I bet he says none.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette


$10 says none of the others will either.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2015 02:14 PM (UYkjZ)

114 I'm really torn on Trump. If I had to pick a guy, Ted Cruz would be that guy. His unabashed defense of conservatism and willingness to take on the party leadership makes him a natural intellectual leader of the party. But there is something about Trump. He has a way of totally deflecting attacks with a few words and in a soundbite that wound his opponents, whether that be the media or pols. He has an attitude that wants me to believe he will be conservative.

Posted by: IdahoMatt at August 14, 2015 02:14 PM (SgYQy)

115 And you hit his popularity on the head - he sounds as if he will fight and he's angry about where America stands right now.

But Trump is not fighting. He's grandstanding. Cruz fights. Walker is a quiet assassin of cherished liberal totems. Fiorina fights with grace, persuasion and verbal kung fu. If you can watch Donald Trump over the last 30 years and conclude he is presidential timber, there's not much to say in response. If you like him and the cut of his jib, fine with me. But he IN MY OPINION is not a serious man.

Posted by: ObjectionSustained at August 14, 2015 02:14 PM (GEPyW)

116 So exactly what do you want from Trump on policy? You want a 500 page policy paper that

a) nobody will ever read
and
b) 95% will never actually be implemented?

Why do you insist on being lied to?

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 02:14 PM (0LHZx)

117 >>> Helluva step up in the First Daughter department.

I thought her wedding dress was stunning, still remember seeing it all these years later.

http://www.preownedweddingdresses.com/blog/ivanka-trumps-wedding-dress

And she did the lace wedding dress thing TWO years before Kate Middleton got married, jysk. (Gah I know way too much about pop culture.)

With the Don: https://q8weddingideas.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/ivanka-with-donald-trump.jpg

Posted by: LizLem at August 14, 2015 02:14 PM (hvf9s)

118 Watch footage of Mussolini.



Draw your own conclusions.

Posted by: Bandersnatch



!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TRUMP IS ITALIAN!!!!!

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at August 14, 2015 02:14 PM (/Ho8c)

119 Surrender in Cuba today.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2015 02:14 PM (DUoqb)

120 Isn't it simply enough to point out that Ann Coulter has never been right about her candidate picks, nor even especially loyal to them? She was super-jazzed about Christie in 2012 until he didn't bother to run, and then switched to Romney while it was still early enough to have other, actually viable options. It won't be long before she's on to her next crush.

Posted by: stuiec at August 14, 2015 02:15 PM (G/C31)

121 >>>Calling Cooke a faggit is not really having a discussion<<<

Wait, aren't you the one that called him a fag?

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at August 14, 2015 02:15 PM (tEDMc)

122 He didn't say he supports single payer. He said that it appears to work in some places and we should study it.

Then that makes him an uneducated idiot with socialistic tendencies.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 14, 2015 02:15 PM (ODxAs)

123 the current leadership of the republican party will not let a conservative get the nomination and will fight it

Posted by: ThunderB at August 14, 2015 02:15 PM (zOTsN)

124 fair enough, but... i dunno, I remember Jesse Ventura likewise "took on the entrenched interests," and he turned out to be a very left-leaning conspiracy nut asshole.

BTW, trump is anti-vax. He seems to believe many conspiracies.



Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 02:03 PM (dciA+)


That isn't the point right now - didn't you see? One of those sneering, lying bastards got punched in the nose! I want more of that! I want to see those sneering two-faced clowns in the dirt begging to be allowed to go home to mommy!*

Look, there is a lot of anger out there, the sneering, lying bastards in academia, media, the Left, the establishment, the SJW - have been doing everything they could do to build that anger up and Trump is riding the wave of it. It didn't have to be him, it could have been anyone who didn't mind the backlash. I don't know where this will end.


*Not me - just channeling a mindset.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Free Shipping for Atrocities, Monstrosities, and Barbarisms at the Outrage Outlet! at August 14, 2015 02:15 PM (hLRSq)

125

When you listen to all 3 outsiders, Carson, Trump, Fiorina, the only one with any facts or understanding of the key issues, with data to back them up is Fiorina.

Carson and Trump skin the surfaces and talk in platitudes simply because they do not have enough information to discuss them.

Take Carson on guns. He was shooting from the hip, then had some blowback, then danced, because he simply did not know the issue deep enough, or it's history, etc.

Trump and Carson need to play catch up. Trump seems too stubborn to do any research or study. At least Ben Carson is willing to listen and learn.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 02:15 PM (qCMvj)

126 When conservatives speak of feeling as if they're in the Twilight Zone, as I think Cooke does here (or perhaps Beck does in that piece Allah cites), what they mean, and what I mean, is that conservatives who have previously told me they could never sell out their Sacred Constitutional Principles and support Candidate X due to his one-time heresy on Issue Y are now telling me that It doesn't matter that Trump thinks Planned Parenthood is a fabulous organization that does incredible, incredible work for the women and must be funded.

Elect us and we will repeal Obamacare.

Elect us and we will defund the implementation of Obamacare.

Elect us and we will fight back against the weaponizing of the IRS.

Elect us and we will stop the Obama administration's de facto implementation of amnesty.

Elect us and we will bring this nation's financial house to order.

Elect us and we will be vigorous in stating a strong foreign policy.

Elect us and we make sure every immigration law on the books is enforced and the border secured before we even begin to think about discussing a path to citizenship.


Twilight Zone indeed.


Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at August 14, 2015 02:16 PM (mf5HN)

127 Don't let the MSM and the Left use Trump as a wedge to split the right

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2015 02:13 PM


Too late, Buckaroo. The GOPe and the Great Pundits of "Conservatism" have already done that.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 14, 2015 02:16 PM (0atQl)

128 >>>"Planned Parenthood will not get one fucking dime until it stops doing abortions. And we will absolutely shut down the government until that happens."

um, yes, when Trump reverses positions 180 degrees every day it is easy to find a quote that backs you.

How about this quote, prescienti11, or is this jut another one of those things that don't matter?

BEGIN QUOTE

Donald Trump suggested he would not support ending taxpayer funding of Planned Parenthood's non-abortion services in two interviews Tuesday.

"We have to help women," Trump told Fox News' Sean Hannity in an interview that aired Tuesday night. "So we have to look at the positives, also, for Planned Parenthood."

Trump said he opposes federal grants going toward Planned Parenthood's abortion practices, but noted that abortions make up a "small part" of the organization.

"There's two Planned Parenthoods, in a way," he said. "You have it as an abortion clinic. Now that's actually a fairly small part of what they do, but it's a brutal part. And I'm totally against it and I wouldn't do that. They also, however, service women."

END QUOTE

but sure prescient11, feel free to ignore any of Trump's words you like, because HE FIGHTS.

That's from the notorious MSM site The Daily Signal.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 02:16 PM (dciA+)

129 Hugh Hewitt asked Trump about the nuclear triad and its value in the current geopolitical situation and he had no fvcking idea what it was.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 14, 2015 02:16 PM (Zu3d9)

130 But Trump is not fighting. He's grandstanding. Cruz fights. Walker is a quiet assassin of cherished liberal totems. Fiorina fights with grace, persuasion and verbal kung fu.

Yes, but Trump looks like he is fighting. Looking like you're doing something is more important than doing it.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 14, 2015 02:16 PM (2lndx)

131 Trump is a man. He talks like a man. All the others (including Baby Snooks) talk like Tom Daschle is holding them hostage in a mountain shack, and they are making a surreptitious call to the cops .

Posted by: Baldy at August 14, 2015 02:16 PM (sEXjW)

132 Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 02:14 PM (0LHZx)

Apparently you just want a guy who strikes a pose.

NEXT!

Posted by: Jeff Weimer - Nutty Professor at August 14, 2015 02:16 PM (Edob3)

133
Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike..... Guess what daaaaaaaay it is. TRUMP DAY


It'll be yuuuuuuuuuuuge. Everybody says they like it.

Posted by: fixerupper at August 14, 2015 02:16 PM (8XRCm)

134 Trump should start wearing a pair of those Smart Glasses, like Rick Perry. Might gain him some Strange New Respect.

Posted by: tsj017 at August 14, 2015 02:16 PM (4YUWF)

135 Vaccinations cause autism?


I think the loonier theory that manmade emissions will kill the earth is a bit more harmful one to hold.


Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 14, 2015 02:16 PM (fWAjv)

136 BTW, has anyone ever considered that Trump, whose dad was a major Goldwater donor/supporter, has really been a rabid conservative his whole life and he was just throwing this shit out there to maintain friendly relations with the Dems.


They do run Hollywood, NYC and pretty much most places where he does business.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 14, 2015 02:17 PM (q5APL)

137 Trump is a non-starter for me - for all the same reasons people dislike the guy.

I could vote for Christie and Walker and not feel like I'm settling. Fiorina has improved markedly as a candidate - she'd make an awesome VP - with plans for a prez run later. Jindal is another no-guilt selection, too.

Cruz is too ambitious, I'm not sure he's the guy for me. Rubio backstabbed us on immigration.

Posted by: 13times at August 14, 2015 02:17 PM (WHVu+)

138 If Jeb were a car, would he be a Pontiac Aztek or a AMC Pacer? Compare, contrast and discuss.

Posted by: Hank, Your Friend in Congress at August 14, 2015 02:17 PM (oDCMR)

139 you think it's wrong of me to be upset by the savaging of commentators for daring to disagree with an impassioned majority?

Trump's pulling 50+%?

I missed that poll.

Posted by: Methos at August 14, 2015 02:17 PM (ZbV+0)

140 Sigh.

Why is it that conservatives are put in the position of having to sincerely defend Trump? At least, that's how it looks to me.

I'm a conservative and I want Trump in there to fuck up the GOP. That's all, and that's why I couldn't care less about his prior political positions. They don't matter to me because they don't. What matters to me is that he's disrupting a political party and ginned-up process that is designed to marginalize conservatives.

Does Trump have sincere supporters who genuinely want him to be President? Of course. I'm not one of them. I want him in the process because I want the GOP to be uncomfortable. L.I.B.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at August 14, 2015 02:17 PM (PFy0L)

141
Jeb!, for all of his RINO squishiness, does have a conservative record as Governor of Florida.
Posted by: troyriser at August 14, 2015 02:13 PM (Bvf82)

____________

Really? Here's a chart showing spending in Florida by year, on education.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/og6qozv

Bush was first elected in 1998.

Yeah, Mr. Fucking Fiscal Conservative alright

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 02:18 PM (0LHZx)

142 See the thing is...the right *is* split.

Trump's not the one splitting it.


Just my $1.09

Posted by: eleven at August 14, 2015 02:18 PM (IPzoI)

143 "I think Coulter is ignoring the fact that Trump is okay with some form
of legalization and that he uses the expression "a wall with a wide
door" to indicate that he's still okay with high levels of legal
immigration even from Mexico. And Coulter is clearly opposed to that. I
think she's just happy that immigration is front and center, and she's
hoping someone will take the hint that it matters to voters."

I've read her latest and she's pretty clear that border enforcement is Job One. She's also for a long Coolidge-style total moratorium on immigration. Then we figure out how to get rid of the illegals - self-deportation being the first wave when we shut off the benefit spigot and get rid of anchor babies. She's to the "right" of DT on this but you're probably correct that she's happy he's riding the same wave.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at August 14, 2015 02:18 PM (S0b1T)

144 Ace said:

"That's one of the most disgraceful things in all of this, that the punishment for speaking facts which are not useful to Trump's candidacy is a SWJ style social media shaming."


This would be true but the problem is that most Trump critics flat out lie or distort, they're not speaking about "facts". Including Cooke on this.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 14, 2015 02:18 PM (q5APL)

145 I don't know how many times I've heard well candidate X has never made a payroll, candidate Y has no private sector experience. Well in Trump he has both and people are criticizing him because he does act like every other career Politician.

Posted by: wrg500 at August 14, 2015 02:18 PM (FEAjO)

146
You know, Trump and his giant cock have decades of experience managing BILLIONS of dollars. He's competent.
Unfortunately, The Don is not a conservative. But fortunately, he realizes he needs conservatives to win. So it's reasonable to posit that Trump will trend strongly right of center.

If we're not going to get a real conservative like Bobby Jindal, Ted Cruz, or Carly Fiorina: why shouldn't we stick Trump's mammoth cock up the GOP's ass?



Posted by: _Dave_ at August 14, 2015 02:18 PM (l2dSQ)

147 Eh, the real problem is VMS.

Posted by: joncelli, Adjusting the Tinfoil Hat at August 14, 2015 02:11 PM (RD7QR)


*looks at list on wiki*
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMS

I'm going with Voluntary Milking System. I'm not sure I want to know why, but I'll agree.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 14, 2015 02:18 PM (0NdlF)

148 I think I'm kind of defeatist at this point. I just want to bring the pain to those who have been saying Embrace me, friend! and then spitting in my eye.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 14, 2015 02:19 PM (evdj2)

149
Never wrestle with a pig, or a pig wrestler.

Posted by: Frankly at August 14, 2015 02:19 PM (F9MHX)

150 "Who in the intelligentsia supports Jeb?"

Who in the intelligentsia has declared their support for anybody? I think we can reasonably infer who most of them support, and it isn't Trump or Cruz.

Posted by: rrpjr at August 14, 2015 02:19 PM (s/yC1)

151 Surrender in Cuba today.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2015 02:14 PM


And exactly who voiced any opposition to that?

All I've seen was a very occasional clip on teevee showing some old Cuban living in Miami who didn't approve. Congress and everyone else have been silent....

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 14, 2015 02:19 PM (0atQl)

152 what really fucks my day is the stupid way that some (not all) trump supporters argue.

rather than acquainting themselves with the facts (as I just acquainted Prescient11), and acknowledging "Sure that's a problem, but here's why I support him anyway" or the like, some tend to shout falsehoods, either because they're willfully lying or simply ignorant, and start implying that OTHER people, who are in fact citing the facts (as I just did, look it up on Daily Signal, from two days ago ), are "lying" or whatever.

I'm not lying, prescient11. I am presenting facts which are uncomfortable for you. That doesn't make them "lies," and I'd be ever so grateful if you stopped implying that anyone pointing out Trump's liberal positions is just lying.

Either you're ignorant, or you're lying yourself; neither is a good look.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 02:19 PM (dciA+)

153 Cruz is too ambitious, I'm not sure he's the guy for me.

I would be overjoyed with a Cruz presidency, and if he's the only one of the Walker/Fiorina/Cruz trifecta to make it to our primaries, I'll vote for him. But of all the candidates, he's the one I would most like to stay right where he is for as long as possible.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 14, 2015 02:19 PM (2lndx)

154 52 At least CC made a more substantive run at him than the disgusting race-baiting piece NRO ran yesterday.
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at August 14, 2015 02:05 PM (+EFq5)

I won't give NRO the click, but we've had race-baiting here, too. Attempting to draw the equality of Trump supporter=white supremacist has made the headlines here, and has not helped. Once you start calling people things like that, the battle is going to get very personal and nasty, very fast.

Posted by: Agent J at August 14, 2015 02:19 PM (ueOgE)

155 Sometimes we have to step back and ponder a thing. The enemy of my enemy should be supported. The elitist bought off establishment is my enemy. At best I am average. They are attacking Trump and pulling out all stops and throwing in the sink. I have no chance against the establishment. Trump is not only fighting he has a chance. I will support him at this point as best I can. Might not be my fantasy candidate yet he is the only candidate in the mix who speaks out with things I agree with.

Posted by: Just thinking out loud at August 14, 2015 02:19 PM (ShdUd)

156 Reibus would be foolish to ignore him.

Posted by: Seems Legit at August 14, 2015 02:13 PM (Xa4vS)


So what you're saying is that he WILL ignore him, right?

Posted by: physics geek at August 14, 2015 02:20 PM (MT22W)

157 I think Trump is popular because people are wondering if he could be a good President. The incompetence currently on display and government gridlock make people wonder if someone who isn't a lawyer might do a better job at getting America working again and back on track. Not saying Trump is that guy--just that people are wondering.

Posted by: Caliban at August 14, 2015 02:20 PM (DrC22)

158 So exactly what do you want from Trump on policy? You want a 500 page policy paper that

a) nobody will ever read


Dinesh D'Souza had an interesting observation during the McCain campaign. He said there was no such thing as McCainism, it was just whatever the crotchety old guy thought was right that day.

He had been a low level staffer in the Reagan administration. His point was that Reaganism was a thing.

He said "nobody ever had to ask what our policy should be, we knew what the old man wanted".

It is preferable, I think, to vote for someone whom you expect to choose wisely on issues that haven't even come up yet because you respect the totality of her thinking.

Trump fails that test.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at August 14, 2015 02:20 PM (JtwS4)

159 The only important thing about Trump is that he's not the Establishment choice for nominee and that the establishment doesn't want him to be the nominee.

All of his non-conservative past positions are actually helping him, rather than harming him in this goal. Fiscal Cons, foreign policy hawks, libertarians, evangelicals - none of these groups really like the views the guy has espoused in the past, and that's why he's the perfect rallying post against the establishment. All the diverse flavors of conservative would prefer somebody else, but they'd never be able to agree on someone else. Rand Paul doesn't appeal to the same people that Perry appeals to, or that Firoina appeals to, or Carson, or Cruise, Or Rubio, etc.

It's us vs them right now (in the tribal mindset that you like to talk about so much, Ace). The GOP establishment doesn't seem to realize that they are the other.

Posted by: joe at August 14, 2015 02:20 PM (KUaJL)

160 .>>>This would be true but the problem is that most Trump critics flat out lie or distort, they're not speaking about "facts". Including Cooke on this.

go fuck yourself, you're either ignorant or lying

BEGIN QUOTE

Donald Trump suggested he would not support ending taxpayer funding of Planned Parenthood's non-abortion services in two interviews Tuesday.

"We have to help women," Trump told Fox News' Sean Hannity in an interview that aired Tuesday night. "So we have to look at the positives, also, for Planned Parenthood."

Trump said he opposes federal grants going toward Planned Parenthood's abortion practices, but noted that abortions make up a "small part" of the organization.

"There's two Planned Parenthoods, in a way," he said. "You have it as an abortion clinic. Now that's actually a fairly small part of what they do, but it's a brutal part. And I'm totally against it and I wouldn't do that. They also, however, service women."

END QUOTE

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 02:20 PM (dciA+)

161 And exactly who voiced any opposition to that?

Rubio and Cruz, for sure. They've been quite vocal.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 14, 2015 02:20 PM (2lndx)

162 What matters is that Trump will fight.



Damn straight!

"You must show us some respect!" -- Eric "Samori" Hansen, Necessary Roughness


https://youtu.be/XKl9WKaYVRw

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 14, 2015 02:20 PM (JO9+V)

163 That said, Coulter does have a point that what the candidates say about immigration "is just their way of lying to us."

That's true, I'm afraid.

But then, Trump has not been "consistent" on immigration, even during his own candidacy, and I kinda think his way of talking about "such a wall you wouldn't believe" is his way of lying to us about amnesty.


Very possible, Ace. But here's how I stand - I know the GOPe is lying to me. I don't yet know that Teh Donald is lying. To which an excellent response would be, "well, what are you going to do? Put him in the White House on the off chance that he might not be lying?" To which I have no real answer.

As I've said before, my support of Teh Donald, such as it is, is the way he gives the GOPe, the Dems and the MFM (BIRM) the screaming yellow zonkers. Enemy of my enemy, and all that.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 14, 2015 02:20 PM (zF6Iw)

164 Who in the intelligentsia has declared their support for anybody? I think we can reasonably infer who most of them support, and it isn't Trump or Cruz.
Posted by: rrpjr at August 14, 2015 02:19 PM (s/yC1)

_________

Who keeps telling us that Jeb is electable?

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 02:20 PM (0LHZx)

165 So here's the argument, and I fully expect Charles C. W. Cooke to be branded a foreign faggit for noting that Trump supported an assault weapons ban, despite the fact that Cooke has been one of the right's most vigorous (some might say crazed) defenders of the 2nd Amendment, whereas Trump will be labeled a hero for previously supporting the assault weapons ban and, supposedly now, opposing it, though who knows what his position will be in twenty-four hours

So let the savaging of the foreign English fruitcake Charles Cooke begin, even though he's been an American conservative longer than Donald Trump.


Cooke is okay sometimes, sometimes not.

It is rare that someone can take on Coulter and come out unscathed. She had one pause moment, but other than that, she had strong arguments - or at least she sounded convincing.

I was thinking that once Trump stopped banging on about Illegal immigration, she would not be so interested. Great PR for her new book at the moment.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 02:20 PM (qCMvj)

166 "The race is basically Jeb vs. Not Jeb. Right now the not Jeb is Trump. "

Yeah, if there were only like 15 other candidates in the race.

Tump is the anti-Jeb because you have decided to make him the anti-Jeb. For some reason Cruz, Walker, Perry et al don't cut the muster despite, you know, actually being conservative.

Posted by: Paul at August 14, 2015 02:21 PM (P1jJI)

167 prescient11, all the passion in the world doesn't gift you the right to make up your own set of facts.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 02:21 PM (dciA+)

168 Charles C. Cooke is a bundle of sticks?

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at August 14, 2015 02:21 PM (jtStN)

169 Such a long, long time to go before anything that matters happens. In the present, every minute that Trump spends in the media spotlight is a minute taken away from Hillary, or Joe, or the communist. Yes, it takes free-time away from the other milk toasts that have decided to compete, but maybe they will wake up and realize that we are looking for a hammer this time around and not just another nail. He certainly isn't our best hammer, is he?

Posted by: goon at August 14, 2015 02:21 PM (gy5kE)

170 America was founded on "Fuck you".

Trump is the "Fuck you" candidate.

The burning time ARE coming.

Might as well scream "Fuck you!" On the way down.

Posted by: Not a Trump supporter but I play one on Twitter at August 14, 2015 02:21 PM (fO0en)

171 Listen, conservstives over the course of the last 15 years have gotten jack squat nothing for their support of GOPe except one measly SCOTUS pick which we had to fight tooth and nail to get.

I want things damnit and at least one candidate is promising to give me what I want, sure he might be lying but we've been lied to for a decade and half.

I see no reason to not get behind the agent of chaos who at the very least may push over the columns and bring the temple down on GOPe heads.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 14, 2015 02:21 PM (mysAS)

172 If I'm Ace, I'm pulling a Hillary Clinton on the server right now.

So far as I can tell, the arguments for Trump are that:
He fights!
Everyone else is a flipflopping fuckface too! He's just like them, except he's different!
Being conned by PP is a point in his favor and does not indicate he's a moron with no idea how politics work, which will totally not ensure the failure of all of his initiatives.
He's a businessman! He gets things done! Like filing for bankruptcy a lot!

Posted by: nerble at August 14, 2015 02:21 PM (5ih4P)

173 Hugh Hewitt asked Trump about the nuclear triad and its value in the current geopolitical situation and he had no fvcking idea what it was.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo


Were you surprised? I mean at all? In the slightest? Was there a quantum of surprise in your brain bucket?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2015 02:21 PM (ZCFje)

174 "What matters is that Trump will fight."

Maybe that's all there is to it. Maybe the frustration is that massive and that intense. The fact that so many words have to be spilled about Trump and that this fact only forms a kind of throwaway explanation suggests to me that many, many people on the commentariat Right just DON'T OR CANNOT GET THIS.

Posted by: rrpjr at August 14, 2015 02:22 PM (s/yC1)

175 Analyzing the Republican field at this early date is like analyzing the first NFL preseason game when that starters only play 1-2 series.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2015 02:22 PM (DUoqb)

176 Those damned socons.

Posted by: Mr. Foo Foo at August 14, 2015 02:22 PM (Dwehj)

177
Elect us and we make sure every immigration law on the books is enforced and the border secured before we even begin to think about discussing a path to citizenship.


Twilight Zone indeed.

Posted by: alexthechick - Yeah I give up at August 14, 2015 02:16 PM (mf5HN)


Crap. You type more rapidly than I do, Empress.

::slides lemon squares through USB port::

Posted by: physics geek at August 14, 2015 02:22 PM (MT22W)

178 When does Coulter's book in defense of Trump come out?

Posted by: SH at August 14, 2015 02:22 PM (gmeXX)

179 Just talking about VAX/VMS makes me feel old.

Posted by: joncelli, Adjusting the Tinfoil Hat at August 14, 2015 02:22 PM (RD7QR)

180

And, by the way, suffice it to say, everyone here is terrrific, you guys are just terrific. Terrific folks.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 02:22 PM (qCMvj)

181 Charles C. Cooke is a bundle of sticks?

A wet bundle of sticks.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 14, 2015 02:23 PM (evdj2)

182 Never ask a Crocodile what's for dinner.


Posted by: eleven at August 14, 2015 02:23 PM (IPzoI)

183 The GOP doesn't have intelligentsia.

Hasn't that been proven over and over again?

Posted by: Seems Legit at August 14, 2015 02:23 PM (Xa4vS)

184
63 and buzzion, if you're claiming that roughhouse tactics are not being deployed to protect Donald Trump from negative commentary, you are simply out to lunch.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 02:07 PM (dciA+)


Not when I'm claiming at all. Of course there is. And I really don't care if someone on here starts saying that crap about Cooke and you want to go off at them. Doing it from the beginning though is off putting. It's like you're declaring "if you are critical of Cooke then you think this."

Posted by: Buzzion at August 14, 2015 02:23 PM (z/Ubi)

185 It was nice to see Trump poke his fingers in the eyes of the GOPe and MFM, but I'm ready for someone else to take the lead.
Cruz, Walker, Jindal, Carson, I could live with.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at August 14, 2015 02:24 PM (jtStN)

186 "But Trump is not fighting. He's grandstanding. Cruz fights. Walker is
a quiet assassin of cherished liberal totems. Fiorina fights with
grace, persuasion and verbal kung fu."

Cruz is best positioned to take in Trump's supporters if/when he implodes, but I want to hear more from him. Walker's playing it far too safe and while in fairness his newly stated immigration stances sound solid, it's a flipflop and I'm not convinced he wouldn't do a 180 once in office.

Fiorina is populist poison. If you want a thousand ex-HP STEM workers outside every campaign event, put her on the ticket. She may be a victim of circumstance, HP being a sick company (much like Jindal, who is stuck with LA while Slick Rick got TX) but she'd have Romney's negatives as outsourcing/corporate raider queen.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at August 14, 2015 02:24 PM (/M5+2)

187 Cooke was no match for Coulter in this type of media setting.

Posted by: SH at August 14, 2015 02:24 PM (gmeXX)

188 And, by the way, suffice it to say, everyone here is terrrific, you guys are just terrific. Terrific folks.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 02:22 PM (qCMvj)


Don't forget classy. Because this place simply drips classy. And awesomeness.

Posted by: The Trumpster at August 14, 2015 02:24 PM (MT22W)

189 170 America was founded on "Fuck you".

Trump is the "Fuck you" candidate.

The burning time ARE coming.

Might as well scream "Fuck you!" On the way down.

Posted by: Not a Trump supporter but I play one on Twitter at August 14, 2015 02:21 PM (fO0en)


Obligatory

http://tinyurl.com/ngelc4s

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 14, 2015 02:24 PM (fWAjv)

190 The fact that Jeb! and Hilary Clinton can actually be seriously considered as presidential candidates in either parry and are, in fact, attracting major money donors is what underlies the Trump phenomenon/cult of personality/whatever. Trump is the "Let it Burn" candidate.
People are sick of being lied to by professional politicians in both paries. Voters in MA actually elected Scott Brown to the Senate to stop Obamacare, had wave elections in 2010 and 2014 to overturn it. We still have it. The lie that there is any difference between the paries has been exposed and there is no going back. Neither parry gives a shit about you or your concerns and never will.
Now don't get me wrong -- I don't support Trump whatsoever and his supporters remind me of the 2008 Obots (look at Kos durong the 2008 dem primary, Hillary supporters were chased off being and called names like bitter knitters and the dry pussy brigade). But I also think ALL the other GOP candidates are lying about just about everything they would do re: securing the border, getting rid of Obamacare and getting the federal government the Fuck out of my life, with the *possible* exception of Ted Cruz and Rand Paul and one probably can't win a GE and I wouldn't vote for the other any more than I'd vote for Jeb!

Posted by: Dancing Queen at August 14, 2015 02:24 PM (/B6Iw)

191 i remember that working out rather poorly. A lot of people who said "And
I don't even care if this winds up with a Clinton being in the White
House" wound up caring a great deal more that there was a Clinton in the
White House than they previously imagined.


We got a (sort of) balanced budget for a while.

That's the most conservative thing accomplished (and about the only one I can think of) in nearly 30 years.

Posted by: Methos at August 14, 2015 02:24 PM (ZbV+0)

192 Tump is the anti-Jeb because you have decided to make him the anti-Jeb. For some reason Cruz, Walker, Perry et al don't cut the muster despite, you know, actually being conservative.
Posted by: Paul at August 14, 2015 02:21 PM (P1jJI)

__________

Read what I wrote right after that. I said it doesn't matter who it is, the GOP Intelligentsia will tear the not Jeb down. Trump happens to be the #1 Not Jeb right ow. If/when he falls and say Walker becomes the #1 Not Jeb, the same bullshit will be thrown at Walker.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 02:24 PM (0LHZx)

193 I suspect that when you dig a bit, you find out that all the Trump voters are really just SMOD voters. In the immortal words of Drs. Peter Venkman, Ray Stance, and Egon Spengler, they accept that: "This [country] is headed for a disaster of Biblical proportions. . . . Old Testament, . . . real wrath of God type stuff. . . . Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes... The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!"

They figure that only once we have that and get through it can we get on with fixing all that is broken. And I'm not entirely sure they're wrong.

Posted by: MikeJ at August 14, 2015 02:24 PM (Us4M2)

194 Coulter is the one, mind you, who tries to Jedi mindtrick us all into believing Romneycare was totes awesome, and like the embodiment of conservative health care reform. Of course she only ball-licked Romney because her true sweetheart, Chris Christie, was waiting until 2016.

Yeah, she's got her pulse on the conservative movement.

Posted by: Paul at August 14, 2015 02:24 PM (P1jJI)

195 Cooke was no match for Coulter in this type of media setting.

In fairness, few are.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 14, 2015 02:24 PM (evdj2)

196 @101 And you have to know VMS.
----------------

I know VMS quite well. Used to work for them, in fact!

Posted by: junior at August 14, 2015 02:25 PM (FRGa/)

197 I'm just going to drop this here, in case it hasn't already been dropped:

"You’re A Fool If You’re Supporting Donald Trump (And You’re Being Exploited.)"

http://preview.tinyurl.com/op9gdm4

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 14, 2015 02:25 PM (9mTYi)

198 Ace,


So a non politician is speaking contemporaneously in an interview discussing the differences and perhaps isn't perfectly clear with what he said?? Here's some more words from Trump, in an actual, written statement that makes clear where he stands on the PP issue:

"While Planned Parenthood is engaging in the despicable practice of abortion - in addition to then selling aborted baby body parts to the highest bidder - the organization should receive no taxpayer dollars. The liberal left wing always claims that Planned Parenthood isn't about abortion and that it's about other general areas
of women's health. I am totally in favor of women's health and if they can put their money where their mouth is, and stop the abortion services at Planned Parenthood entirely, we can talk about government funding for many of the other aspects of the organization that do a lot of good."


This is called winning folks. And, btw, this is Trump's position and yes Cooke was lying or distorting Trump's position in the Hannity piece.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 14, 2015 02:25 PM (q5APL)

199 I bid three spades!


Wait, change that to four NO Trump.

Posted by: Nip Sip, da Bridge Player at August 14, 2015 02:25 PM (0FSuD)

200 >>>That's one of the most disgraceful things in all of this, that the punishment for speaking facts which are not useful to Trump's candidacy is a SWJ style social media shaming.>>>

He starts by calling conservatives who don't attack Trump as insane. Can we punish him for that, for further alienating conservatives? Or, are those just the "facts" that we have to sit back and lt go unchallenged?

Posted by: gm at August 14, 2015 02:25 PM (ty+Et)

201 "You know, Trump and his giant cock..."
"...why shouldn't we stick Trump's mammoth cock..."



Posted by: _Dave_ at August 14, 2015 02:18 PM (l2dSQ)


Yeah!

THICK, VEINY-COCKED TRUMP 2016!!!!!


why the hell not?

Posted by: Dirty Randy at August 14, 2015 02:25 PM (jjaLl)

202 "That said, Coulter does have a point that what the candidates say about immigration "is just their way of lying to us."

That's true, I'm afraid.

But then, Trump has not been "consistent" on immigration, even during his own candidacy, and I kinda think his way of talking about "such a wall you wouldn't believe" is his way of lying to us about amnesty."

For that exact reason there, just on that one issue. All I can say is that I have a hard time trusting Trump and find it absolutely impossible to trust the others.

Cooke is fighting on the wrong field of battle.

Posted by: Drider at August 14, 2015 02:25 PM (DNFK1)

203 $10 says none of the others will either.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2015 02:14 PM (UYkjZ)


Didn't Walker make this part of his debate conclusion?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 02:25 PM (qCMvj)

204 Friday, at the U.S. embassy in Cuba flag-raising ceremony celebrating the re-establishment of diplomatic relations, Secretary of State John Kerry said he felt very much at home in the country ruled by the authoritarian Castro regime.


???

So get some oats and and horse blanket and stay there

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2015 02:26 PM (DUoqb)

205 He will do nada, zip, nothing about illegal immigration. His core being is a NY liberal.

This.

Trump is ace with money and confidence.

Posted by: Methos at August 14, 2015 02:26 PM (ZbV+0)

206 >>>o we shouldn't vote for Trump because he's not conservative enough. Instead we should LOVE Jeb who is not at all conservative.

Yeah that makes a lot of sense.

...

no it doesn't make sense which is why you're smitten with that silly strawman.


It's worse, Ace. Jeb is loving Trump.

The Trump candidacy is the one sure way to get a Jeb nomination. Jeb has beaucoup money. If he can keep the non-Jebs flailing long enough, he can ride it out until exhausted Republicans feel like Jeb is the only one who can hold off the ridiculous Trump clown show.

Trump is enabling Jeb and anybody who supports Trump is working to ensure a Jeb nomination.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 14, 2015 02:26 PM (b65cm)

207 183 The GOP doesn't have intelligentsia.

Yeah, they do. Far too much or too many. What they don't have is intelligence.

Posted by: rrpjr at August 14, 2015 02:26 PM (s/yC1)

208 I don't really care what people said 15 years ago, because the events that have unfolded over the last 2 decades are what change me from a liberal leaning idiot to a staunch conservative. A lot of my friends are the same way. So if you said some liberalism stuff back in the 90s and you claim to be conservative now, I tend to believe you

My biggest issue is the size of of government and the government constantly trying to fix the economy while actually making it worse. Nobody wants to play the game if you keep changing the rules.

Our government is terrible and it keeps growing, just like cancer. The candidate who I feel is most likely to reduce the size of government is the one I will support in the primary( undecided so far).

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at August 14, 2015 02:26 PM (rhowD)

209 Oh, and the campaign has had this statement released since August 11th, so it's not a big surprise to anyone who actually isn't in the business of trying to screw Trump over.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 14, 2015 02:26 PM (q5APL)

210 He will do nada, zip, nothing about illegal immigration.

------

So he'd be in good company in Washington.

Posted by: SH at August 14, 2015 02:26 PM (gmeXX)

211 THICK, VEINY-COCKED TRUMP 2016!!!!!


It Yuuuge.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 14, 2015 02:26 PM (evdj2)

212 Just talking about VAX/VMS makes me feel old.

Tell me about it.

Posted by: IBM S/360 at August 14, 2015 02:27 PM (Dwehj)

213 Do you think a President Trump would give a fuck what the NY Times editorial page says? Or what the so-called pundits on Meet the Press think?

Compare that to President El Jeb. El Jeb will cower under his desk over what the NY Times has to say about him.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 02:27 PM (0LHZx)

214 Was there a quantum of surprise in your brain bucket?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2015 02:21 PM (ZCFje)

Honestly? I was not surprised that he didn't know what it is, but I was surprised that he hadn't been prepped better.

That tells me that this is even more ego-driven than I had previously thought. And that is a scary idea.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 14, 2015 02:27 PM (Zu3d9)

215 Just talking about VAX/VMS makes me feel old.

It reminds me of the part of B-school where my brain broke.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at August 14, 2015 02:28 PM (JtwS4)

216 @191 That's the most conservative thing accomplished (and about the only one I can think of) in nearly 30 years.
--------------

Welfare reform?

(Which Obama wrecked the first chance he got)

Posted by: junior at August 14, 2015 02:28 PM (FRGa/)

217 Do you think a President Trump would give a fuck what the NY Times editorial page says? Or what the so-called pundits on Meet the Press think?

------

Actually, yes I do. They all do. Everyone.

Posted by: SH at August 14, 2015 02:28 PM (gmeXX)

218 OT: At my workplace today.

http://tinyurl.com/ots5fby


Posted by: Cheri at August 14, 2015 02:28 PM (oiNtH)

219 I kind of miss the old Ann Coulter: smart ass polemicist. Now, she and Hannity appear to want a GOP win so badly that she's selling her soul to prop whoever is in first place, even said person is one she called a clown not too long ago.

http://goo.gl/VOKJ8O

Posted by: physics geek at August 14, 2015 02:28 PM (MT22W)

220 Trump is attacking the GOP where they are the most vulnerable, and that is just plain smart.

The GOP left itself open to being attacked from the Right. In other words the GOP has become just another leftist organization. They totally deserve all of this.

Posted by: navybrat at August 14, 2015 02:28 PM (JgC5a)

221
wow.... I dont ever recall Akin or ODonnell getting three posts in a row.


Did you guys hear we reopened an embassy in Cuba today? Its been closed since 1961.

Posted by: fixerupper at August 14, 2015 02:28 PM (8XRCm)

222 So a non politician is speaking contemporaneously...

He's a politician now, buddy.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 14, 2015 02:28 PM (b65cm)

223 JOHN KERRY: CUBA CAN HELP US COMBAT CLIMATE CHANGE

Jesus, the horse I bet on and lost in the 5th at Belmont has more sense than that asshole

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2015 02:28 PM (DUoqb)

224 Vaxes are overrated.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 14, 2015 02:08 PM (0NdlF)

Really?

Posted by: Jonas Salk at August 14, 2015 02:28 PM (u0lmX)

225 Why does Jeb need a circus of Bronies (Christie, Graham, Kasich, and Rubio) to win the nomination? What's up with that? Cruz, Walker, Fiorina, and Trump are the only ones standing tall. Jeb needs a three ring circus to finish third. Stuff you notice.

Posted by: Hank, Your Friend in Congress at August 14, 2015 02:28 PM (oDCMR)

226 Well, I don't know about anyone else, I still would say I support Trump if I was asked.

However the revelations of some of the particulars of his past and current political positions makes it less likely that I would vote for him in the primary.

And for those same reasons, I won't vote for a number of the current candidates because I don't trust their sudden change of heart on certain issues.

I will of course argue here or say Hot Air for Trump as a candidate.

Partly because I do and partly to troll those who are so adamantly anti-Trump.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 14, 2015 02:29 PM (x3GpS)

227 Mike Hammer:


What is with IJReview, it is THE place to go for Trump hit pieces lately. Who owns it, Salem?


I like Schlichter but I've kind of laughed off any Salem employee for some time now, they are full on TDS.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 14, 2015 02:29 PM (q5APL)

228

COOL equ *
CR R14,R0
BE COOL

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 14, 2015 02:29 PM (evdj2)

229 Did you guys hear we reopened an embassy in Cuba today? Its been closed since 1961.

Posted by: fixerupper at August 14, 2015 02:28 PM (8XRCm)

Yes yes we did

Posted by: Cubans putting the bugs in at August 14, 2015 02:29 PM (DUoqb)

230 I'll just throw this out here for your reading enjoyment and let you pretend to be a democrat campaign worker trying to come up with some material for a hit ad on Trump.



Where to begin....99 stupid things Trump has said.




http://tinyurl.com/o2kgrow

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 14, 2015 02:29 PM (0FSuD)

231

Trump and his yooge and fabulous cock would make a good president. He'd get things done. He'd certainly be better than Obama or Clinton.
Trump has made a serious promise to seal the border with Mexico.
And you know what Trump doesn't like. He doesn't like egg on his face. So there is very good reason to believe that if he were elected president, he'd make good on his promise to seal the Tex-Mex border.
He'd be a sad, egg on the face one term lame duck president otherwise. - And that's even harder to imagine than The Don winning the presidency in the first place.

You know who would make a much better president? - BOBBY JINDAL.

Or: Ted Cruz.

Or: Carly Fiorina.





Posted by: _Dave_ at August 14, 2015 02:29 PM (l2dSQ)

232 212 Just talking about VAX/VMS makes me feel old.

Tell me about it.
Posted by: IBM S/360 at August 14, 2015 02:27 PM (Dwehj)


I know how you feel.

Posted by: CP-642B/USQ-20 at August 14, 2015 02:29 PM (Edob3)

233 57
Trump speaks vaguely about immigration,



And everything else.




And the other candidates are rock-solid on their positions.



sheesh

Posted by: some random meathead at August 14, 2015 02:30 PM (Yrjee)

234 You know what this all reminds me of?

Back in 1992, I was watching some morning news show where Dan Quayle was being interviewed. He was saying that people shouldn't waste their votes for Perot, who had no chance to win...but rather vote for Bush/Quayle, who did.

Utterly tone deaf and ignorant...not to mention unpersuasive.

I'm seeing that now in some parts of the GOPe defense. It's a misunderstanding that Trumpmentum is anti-Democrat. No, it's anti politician. Sure, there's some celebrity built into the support, but Trump is capitalizing on the "they both suck" vote. Frankly, that's why I'm supporting him. I don't want Jeb Bush in the White House any more than I want Hillary Clinton in there. But if the GOPe is bound and determined to run shitty candidates, then I'm bound and determined to withhold my vote from them.

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks at August 14, 2015 02:30 PM (PFy0L)

235 Amishdude:

I'd say he's learning on the job!! LOL

Posted by: prescient11 at August 14, 2015 02:30 PM (q5APL)

236 Jeb!, for all of his RINO squishiness, does have a conservative record as Governor of Florida.
Posted by: troyriser at August 14, 2015 02:13 PM (Bvf82)


Exhibit A, Your Honor, TDS on parade: Jeb's! record 10 years ago matters much more and is more relevant than what comes out of his mouth TODAY. But Trump's positions or opinions 10 years ago should disqualify him forever and ever and ever and ever, etc.

Posted by: Joanne at August 14, 2015 02:30 PM (indTK)

237 effin pixymatted

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 14, 2015 02:30 PM (evdj2)

238 Do you think a President Trump would give a fuck what the NY Times editorial page says? Or what the so-called pundits on Meet the Press think?

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Actually, yes I do. They all do. Everyone.
Posted by: SH at August 14, 2015 02:28 PM (gmeXX)


Absolutely. Hell, Trump can't get over the diss by Megan Kelly.

A President Trump would spend all of his press conferences attacking whichever media person attacked him the previous day.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 14, 2015 02:30 PM (b65cm)

239 I vaguely remember the university I attended having a VAX system that they migrated away from my freshman year.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at August 14, 2015 02:30 PM (/Ho8c)

240 What does this mean for politics?

Half of America's population lives in just 144 counties, most located in just a small number of coastal states. The other half of our population is spread out in nearly 3,000 other counties, mostly located in flyover country.

http://bit.ly/1Msq3d6

Posted by: MTF at August 14, 2015 02:30 PM (TxJGV)

241 You know what arguments people find persuasive? The ones where the opening salvo is an ad hominem attack on the people you are going to convince. Or, maybe that's wrong and Cooke is an imbecile.

Posted by: gm at August 14, 2015 02:30 PM (ty+Et)

242 The GOP doesn't have intelligentsia.

What they have is neurotigentsia.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 14, 2015 02:30 PM (2lndx)

243 Okay, here's another reason why I am enjoying the show and I want Trump to stick around -- because I remember 1996.

The entire GOP establishment rolled over and foisted Bob Dole on us because "it's his turn." Bob Dole, I respect his service and he's a fine man. But he was the embodiment of go-along, get-along, insider DC, "conservative" in discussions but not in fact and deed, valued consensus over getting a win for his side. Like Mitch. Like Boehner.

And this came after the 1994 mid-terms, which no one saw coming really, and which I swear to you hit official DC like a tidal wave. This was a drastic realignment. And on the day that the new Congress began, Bob Dole stood there and said, basically: "Contract with America? Never heard of it. That's not what we do here." He told the people who had just handed him the Senate majority to sit down, shut up, speak when spoken to, and don't bother me until I need you in two years.

So these are the same people who are most worried about Trump "tarnishing" the "Republican brand."

Posted by: Brewdog at August 14, 2015 02:30 PM (F+bI6)

244 Trump takes lemons and sells lemonade.

The Republicans take lemons and makes a shit sandwich out of them, eats the sandwich and then pays the Democrats for the privilege.





Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 14, 2015 02:30 PM (sczG0)

245 Ace, the issue isn't that Trump is a liberal or that he is just say whatever he thinks will get conservative votes. I think the majority of conservatives know that. What conservatives in the GOP are saying, maybe even subconsciously, is "You are lying to us anyways, we'll pick someone who isn't even part of the party and put them in charge." Who cares what he believes because you don't care either. At least Trump brought up immigration in a way that a lot of people have been voicing (violence, jobs, etc.), not the "nation of immigrants" pablum.

Constantly pounding on Trump for not being conservative doesn't do anything because that isn't the point.

Posted by: WOPR at August 14, 2015 02:31 PM (nRvEn)

246 Go ahead, skin it! Skin that smokewagon and see what happens.

Posted by: Jorge Will at high noon at August 14, 2015 02:31 PM (UzPAd)

247 Didn't Walker make this part of his debate conclusion?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 02:25 PM (qCMvj)

Thought Cruz did as well.

Still wouldn't make the bet though.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 14, 2015 02:31 PM (fWAjv)

248 He'd get things done.

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Like what?

I always get worried when someone from government says they will get things done.

Posted by: SH at August 14, 2015 02:31 PM (gmeXX)

249 END QUOTE

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 02:20 PM (dciA+)


If you want to bring someone down by their own words, it would help to provide them in context, rather than sliced and diced. Your so called quote is a few sentences and mostly someone else's interpretation.

http://tinyurl.com/poglb6a

Trump was then asked if they should get any taxpayer money, he answered, ?let?s say there?s two Planned Parenthoods, in a way. You have it as an abortion clinic. Now, that?s actually a fairly small part of what they do, but it?s a brutal part, and I?m totally against it, and I wouldn?t do that. They also, however, service woman, and one of the things that I thought was so terrible, when Jeb Bush?when he talked about women?s health issues, he was so bad. I mean, it?s like, what is he doing? We have to help women. A lot of women are helped. So, we have to look at the positives, also, for Planned Parenthood. You know, even a guy like you, you may be convinced that it does some positive things. I would look at it very strongly. We have to help women. As far as the abortion stuff, absolutely un ?.?He was then asked, ?But if they are doing abortions, then they can allocate their other resources to other things. ? why should the taxpayers pay for an organization that ? ?? Trump answered, ?Maybe unless they stop with the abortions, we don?t do the funding for the stuff that we want. There are many ways you can do that Sean, because I?m totally against the abortion aspect of Planned Parenthood, but I?ve had many women, I?ve had many Republican, conservative women come up and say Planned Parenthood serves a good function, other than that one aspect.?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 14, 2015 02:31 PM (0NdlF)

250 Watching Little League Baseball on commie ESPN

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2015 02:31 PM (DUoqb)

251 It's worth recognizing that a Trump presidency would have a non-zero chance of Gary Busey in a cabinet position. I want that. I need that.

Posted by: Sporkatus at August 14, 2015 02:31 PM (HtLSE)

252 oops that 199 things not 99

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 14, 2015 02:32 PM (0FSuD)

253 "The Trump candidacy is the one sure way to get a Jeb nomination. Jeb has beaucoup money. If he can keep the non-Jebs flailing long enough, he can ride it out until exhausted Republicans feel like Jeb is the only one who can hold off the ridiculous Trump clown show.
"

This. Jeb is loving the Trump candidacy. The man Jeb fears is Kasich, who is the more articulate version of Jeb.

Posted by: Paul at August 14, 2015 02:32 PM (P1jJI)

254 "I won't give NRO the click..."

Good to hear. They've been dead to me after Steorts ridiculous pro-gay-marriage piece blathering about "love." This after he ran Steyn off. I follow a few of their ex's - Darbyshire, Brimelow and I've liked some of what Cooke and Williamson have to say (at least until KW did that cheap hitjob maligning Trump's wife) but that mag's been "National Republican" rather than edgy conservative for years. Jonah's pretty much dead to me after "we need to take another look at global warming" and his diaper panics over "racism."

EE at Redstate's going through some mea culpas after he got his ass lit up over disinviting Trump. Streiff's a decent guy there, otherwise that's another weak sauce RNC-approved Thought Leader site.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at August 14, 2015 02:32 PM (+NyTG)

255 A President Trump would spend all of his press conferences attacking whichever media person attacked him the previous day.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 14, 2015 02:30 PM (b65cm)

________

True. I meant he wouldn't give a shit in terms of changing his mind on something. He'd call the NY Times a rag and still do what he wanted to do.

And isn't that exactly what we're looking for in a president?

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 02:32 PM (0LHZx)

256 Like U.S. Grant, Trump will fight.

Like U.S. Grant, there will be incompetence and lots of blood shed.

Like U.S. Grant, Trump may be our last chance to save the Union from progtards in the bipartisan political system.

Posted by: Valiant at August 14, 2015 02:32 PM (2bqlb)

257 Immigration is Trump's one issue. If someone steps up and takes it from him, they will prosper.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 14, 2015 02:32 PM (evdj2)

258 I get that Trump supporters are giving the collective finger at the political class. And I get that many very much like how he is shaking up the establishment.

The thing that pisses me off, though, is they act like there hasn't been a war in the GOP for forever over all this stuff, and that there are actually allies (us) that know just a little about what's been going on, yet have they ever bothered to, like, join us? Get involved? Do something instead of bitching, or cheering on Trump and belching at their TV sets?

Cooke is a huge ally in this war, but Coulter interrupts him over and over to cheer on Trump for the mere fact that he is pissing on the GOPe.

That's no small accomplishment but it doesn't make you qualified for President. Washington is more resilient to that.

Trump doesn't have the first clue about government or how to fix it. Only how to buy politicians.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 14, 2015 02:32 PM (laMCB)

259 Trump Tower has the cleanest and best public bathrooms in NYC. And that ain't nothing to sneeze at.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2015 02:32 PM (DUoqb)

260 224 Vaxes are overrated.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 14, 2015 02:08 PM (0NdlF)

We knew very well how to stop bubonic plague. You have to burn down a few Jewish villages, since they use magic to poison the wells...

Posted by: Medieval peasants at August 14, 2015 02:32 PM (u0lmX)

261 Anyway, have a great day, people - gotta get some work done!

Posted by: Joanne at August 14, 2015 02:32 PM (indTK)

262 The GOP doesn't have intelligentsia.

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..... you misspelled "genitalia"

Posted by: fixerupper at August 14, 2015 02:33 PM (8XRCm)

263 238 Do you think a President Trump would give a fuck what the NY Times editorial page says?

Reagan once said he never read the NY Times. I believed him. Man, did that piss off the Left. I don't think Trump is capable of this kind of understated, simple and completely sincere put-down. Too bad.

Posted by: rrpjr at August 14, 2015 02:33 PM (s/yC1)

264 This argument is like arguing whether SMOD is conservative or not. Who fucking cares?! That's not the point of SMOD!

Posted by: gm at August 14, 2015 02:33 PM (ty+Et)

265 Why does Jeb need a circus of Bronies (Christie, Graham, Kasich, and Rubio) to win the nomination? What's up with that? Cruz, Walker, Fiorina, and Trump are the only ones standing tall. Jeb needs a three ring circus to finish third. Stuff you notice.

Posted by: Hank, Your Friend in Congress


Game theory.

In a test with multiple opponents, the weakest only need refrain from engaging the strongest to gain a end-game advantage.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2015 02:33 PM (ZCFje)

266 >> 213 Do you think a President Trump would give a fuck what the NY Times editorial page says? Or what the so-called pundits on Meet the Press think?

Are you talking about the same Trump that need a box of tissues and a pint of ice cream after Megan Kelly asked him questions?

Posted by: nerble at August 14, 2015 02:34 PM (5ih4P)

267 alot of guys dont not get about trump says things to get votes and pole number

but than you have to get elect the guy so he can do the thing that you want but

deport the mexican rapers get some jobs in america get more health care for

old people cripple black people excetera but also planned parents dont just do

pro choice but also cancer and what not trump people like trump because he

doesnt take no shit from rino think about it idiot and go suck jeb dong bunch

goep loosers cant even get elected anyway

#trumpfropresindent

Posted by: Jose Canseco Eligible Voter at August 14, 2015 02:34 PM (+lsX1)

268 Like U.S. Grant, Trump will fight.

Like U.S. Grant, there will be incompetence and lots of blood shed.

Like U.S. Grant, Trump may be our last chance to save the Union from progtards in the bipartisan political system.

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Is he a drunk like Grant?

Will he have a Sherman like Grant?

Will he be subordinate to someone else like Grant?

Posted by: SH at August 14, 2015 02:34 PM (gmeXX)

269
osted by: SH at August 14, 2015 02:28 PM

that's correct SH. I just get tired of people claiming trump is any different or even a conservative. The post Ace wrote is that we are post-issues with trump.

Go ahead, screw the GOPe up the cornhole, I think I actually hate them, but trying to claim trump is a conservative is just beyond any logic whatsoever.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 14, 2015 02:34 PM (ODxAs)

270 I think Trump is a great guy. He can win, just like I did and got Bush one defeated.

Posted by: Ross Perot, I brought you Bill Clinton at August 14, 2015 02:34 PM (0FSuD)

271 "True. I meant he wouldn't give a shit in terms of changing his mind on something. He'd call the NY Times a rag and still do what he wanted to do.

And isn't that exactly what we're looking for in a president?"

That, and maybe implementing policies that were effective. Call me crazy but I'm interested in more from a president than his willingness to bash the New York Times.

Posted by: Paul at August 14, 2015 02:35 PM (P1jJI)

272 > 153

Yeah, I don't even have a solid reason to dislike Cruz. Unrestrained ambition bugs the hell outta me - and could be considered a serious character flaw - but that's all I got.

I never like COB Gabe for the same reason, his ambition was/is blinding, but that's just me.

I'd pull the lever for Cruz, tho.

Posted by: 13times at August 14, 2015 02:35 PM (WHVu+)

273 So being anti-vax is a bad thing?

Posted by: Actinide at August 14, 2015 02:35 PM (Pb6tP)

274 Charles C. Cooke is a bundle of sticks?
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at August 14, 2015 02:21 PM (jtStN)


OT: Charles Cooke needs a haircut.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 02:35 PM (qCMvj)

275 Te be Fair - Let's list Jeb's promises and his history of achievement. Being born Bush doesn't count.

Posted by: Hank, Your Friend in Congress at August 14, 2015 02:35 PM (oDCMR)

276 Conservativemonster:


Take a look at what I posted. This is from the Trump campaign, a written statement released, on August 11th.


I'm not sure why Ace keeps going back to interviews, but this is Trump's stated position.


So yes, Cooke is either lying, distorting and/or ignorant as to what Trump's actual position on PP is.


Trump took the same position as Huckabee on PP, and PP praised him for it.


Think hard on that.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 14, 2015 02:35 PM (q5APL)

277 Exhibit A, Your Honor, TDS on parade: Jeb's! record 10 years ago matters much more and is more relevant than what comes out of his mouth TODAY. But Trump's positions or opinions 10 years ago should disqualify him forever and ever and ever and ever, etc.

What are you talking about?!?

Trump contradicts himself day-to-day. His immigration position is now gang-of-sevenesque.

He now wants to fund Planned Parenthood, where he wanted to shut down the government over it just last week.

And again you set up the Trump vs. Jeb dichotomy.

I'm thinking that Trump supporters are secretly working for Jeb. That seems to be what they want.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 14, 2015 02:36 PM (b65cm)

278 OT: Charles Cooke needs a haircut.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 02:35 PM (qCMvj)

And a scarf and beret.

Posted by: rrpjr at August 14, 2015 02:36 PM (s/yC1)

279 >>>Cooke is a huge ally in this war, but Coulter interrupts him over and over to cheer on Trump for the mere fact that he is pissing on the GOPe.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 14, 2015 02:32 PM (laMCB)>>>

Cooke's first words were to call Hannity and Coulter and any number of conservatives who don't disparage Trump insane.

Posted by: gm at August 14, 2015 02:36 PM (ty+Et)

280 I just like the fact the GOPe is in a snit. They brought it on themselves.

Posted by: DanMan at August 14, 2015 02:36 PM (RusNE)

281 "This. Jeb is loving the Trump candidacy. The man Jeb fears is Kasich, who is the more articulate version of Jeb."

FFS. Kasich couldn't inspire fear in a schoolgirl. The people Jeb should fear are his own base that he habitually maligns. "Compassionate conservatives" need not apply. If Jeb, Kasich or Christie gets the nomination, you'll have more stay-at-homes, third partiers and crossovers than Romney in 2012. Bank on it.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at August 14, 2015 02:36 PM (+NyTG)

282 "...and still do what he wanted to do.

And isn't that exactly what we're looking for in a president?"

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 02:32 PM (0LHZx)


Um, no, not if it's fund PP. Which is what he is promising.

I want a President that will do what the Constitution requires, not what he wants to do.

You sound like you want a dictator. We already have one.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 14, 2015 02:36 PM (laMCB)

283 Hey guys!


Whatcha talkin about?



Posted by: Sarah Palin at August 14, 2015 02:36 PM (Yrjee)

284 Is he a drunk like Grant?



Will he have a Sherman like Grant?



Will he be subordinate to someone else like Grant?

Posted by: SH at August 14, 2015 02:34 PM (gmeXX)

You say that like it's a bad thing. Actually, Grant was not a drunk, he simply had no tolerance when he did drink.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 14, 2015 02:36 PM (0FSuD)

285 A President Trump would spend all of his press conferences attacking whichever media person attacked him the previous day.



And this is different from current day, how exactly?

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 14, 2015 02:36 PM (JO9+V)

286 Will he have a Sherman like Grant?

Someone to rape, pillage and burn his way through the Southern states?

Posted by: Insomniac at August 14, 2015 02:36 PM (2Ojst)

287 Oh boy, Jose Canseco's poetry has returned! I've missed that shtick.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at August 14, 2015 02:37 PM (/Ho8c)

288 Jeb's! record 10 years ago matters much more and is more relevant than what comes out of his mouth TODAY. But Trump's positions or opinions 10 years ago should disqualify him forever and ever and ever and ever, etc.

That's an exaggeration of the point. I tend to agree that a record from ten years ago matters more than words from ten years ago, and that inconsistency matters more when it contradicts words than it does when it contradicts record. Doesn't disqualify him "forever and ever and ever and ever etc." but it does mean that he's got more to overcome.

Nor does it make someone a Jeb supporter to believe that record outweighs words. (The term "RINO squishiness" indicates that the person you're replying to is not a Jeb supporter.)

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 14, 2015 02:37 PM (2lndx)

289 Cruz is still my guy

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2015 02:37 PM (DUoqb)

290 Trump doesn't have the first clue about government or how to fix it. Only how to buy politicians.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 14, 2015 02:32 PM (laMCB)

__________

The only people that have a clue about government are those that have spent decade after decade in govt. No thanks.

I want someone who has never been elected dog catcher to go in and first day say something like cut spending by 5%. I don't give a fuck what you do, who you fire, I want a a 5% cut by next Friday. Go.

That's how a CEO runs things. And what we need is a fuck you, do your job CEO as president.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 02:37 PM (0LHZx)

291 >264 Hilarious, because it's true.

Posted by: 13times at August 14, 2015 02:37 PM (WHVu+)

292 Trump would turn the bully pulpit into an executioner pulpit. For that alone is reason to vote for the guy.

Posted by: Drider at August 14, 2015 02:37 PM (DNFK1)

293 Trump's not just going to "go away" because he's rejected by the conservative commentariat. It's not going to happen.

Trump is only going to decline in the polls when some other candidate manages to gain some traction and attention on important issues. Issues that are really important, not the ones that our more literate social betters decide are important.

With Bush or Kasich, and with Christie and probably with Walker, that's just not going to happen. The way for them to rise up in the polls is to eliminate Trump first then let new polls sort out Trump's former supporters.

The only candidate left that I think could possibly do it is Ted Cruz. But here again our more literate social betters believe that Ted Cruz is too wacky.

But this fantasy that so many have of Trump being "rejected" by the "true conservatives" and he just sulks and gets in his helicopter and leaves forever, that is never going to happen.

Posted by: Brewdog at August 14, 2015 02:37 PM (F+bI6)

294 You say that like it's a bad thing.

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Oh I didn't mean it in a bad way. I was just asking the question. Could even be an asset.

Posted by: SH at August 14, 2015 02:37 PM (gmeXX)

295 Again, the lies come fast and furious. Trump is anti-vaxx??


What he's said is that there might be something to giving a baby all those vaccinations at one time because he's had some friends who had a perfectly healthy baby that had major problems after they went in for vaccinations.


Crazy I know.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 14, 2015 02:37 PM (q5APL)

296 If you want to see Trump babble (I was very disappointed, because you would think he would straighten up, but maybe this is his strategy, confusion).. but when Mark Levin asked him what makes him a conservative (or something like that, therightscoop has the edited clip), he never answered. He went around in circles.

And he endorsed Cruz. Weirdest interview to date. What is he up to?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 02:38 PM (qCMvj)

297 257 Immigration is Trump's one issue. If someone steps up and takes it from him, they will prosper.
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Yep. But I haven't seen any of them do it yet. Hell, no one will discuss Jeb's Amnesty plan and how it will work either.

Posted by: Hank, Your Friend in Congress at August 14, 2015 02:39 PM (oDCMR)

298 NGU, a man after my own heart. When politics are dreary and dismal, sports, especially amateur sports, are a great elixir. Through a very serendipitous walk up the street to get chowder and bisque on our last night at the Cape, I ran into a "summer friend" from my teens and twenties. Turns out he's a bigwig at USNA Athletics (on the Sales/Marketing side). Had a great 15 minute conversation and learned that he's worked for NBA teams among his other jobs and is currently interviewing for the position of GM at an NBADL franchise in NC. So, long story short, Amateur sports might be verrrrry, verrry good to me if he gets the job.

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 14, 2015 02:39 PM (2cS/G)

299 167 >> prescient11, all the passion in the world doesn't gift you the right to make up your own set of facts.

Heh. Look, I like prescient and all but he is a monomaniac once he picks a candidate he likes. He writes Trump in his underwear so that every day he gets up and can then put Trump close to his heart.

Cruz made an interesting point yesterday -- That he has only been in office for 2.5 years and never ran for election before that. In other words, he's positioning himself as another outsider so he can pick up the Trump vote when he implodes.

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 14, 2015 02:39 PM (gyKtp)

300 Here's what I don't like about Jeb Bush -- the media asks him to opine at length on the 2003 invasion of Iraq and he's not smart enough to tell them to STFU.

Great. Talk about it, Jeb. Either repudiate your own brother and now that's the story, or else say that you think the 2003 invasion of Iraq was on balance a good thing and then that's the story.

The proper response is: With all the shit going down today, you want me to play Monday morning quarterback about a war that started over a decade ago? Here's an idea: Why don't you go fuck yourself?

That's the Jeb Bush I would vote for.

Posted by: Brewdog at August 14, 2015 02:40 PM (F+bI6)

301 Are you sure ANY candidate will?

I didn't think so.


I'm pretty confident that Ted Cruz would oppose an assault weapons ban.

Don't you agree?

Posted by: chemjeff @ Fapplebee's at August 14, 2015 02:40 PM (2XMpf)

302 EE at Redstate's going through some mea culpas after
he got his ass lit up over disinviting Trump. Streiff's a decent guy
there, otherwise that's another weak sauce RNC-approved Thought Leader
site. Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at August 14, 2015 02:32 PM


When I looked there this morning, EE was having a meltdown because people were being MEEEEEEAN to him and sending him nasty emails.

He fails to realize, as so many cute li'l Special Snowflake bloggers do, that when you make a whimpering horse's ass of yourself in public, people will respond. And, unless they're from your cadre of devotees, they may take you to task.

Some may politely suggest you engage brain before putting mouth/fingers in gear, while some will be downright eeeeeeeeevil!!11!!

In the immortal words of Frank Sinatra (and Sammy Davis, Jr too, I think), that's life....

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 14, 2015 02:40 PM (0atQl)

303 Alternate Trump Theory:

It's August, the slowest month of the news cycle.

The media hypes Trump because there's nothing going on in Washington, and because he is a convenient distraction from the failed and unpopular policies of their little mahogany godling.

Posted by: V the K at August 14, 2015 02:40 PM (O7MnT)

304 Here's a money quote from the Politco story I linked up above.



Women? "You have to treat 'em like shit." ( New York Magazine, Nov 9, 1992


How you think that's going to sell?

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 14, 2015 02:41 PM (0FSuD)

305 >>>that's correct SH. I just get tired of people claiming trump is any different or even a conservative. The post Ace wrote is that we are post-issues with trump.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 14, 2015 02:34 PM (ODxAs)>>>

I'm sick of pretend conservatives in the GOP attacking Trump for having/stating positions no less conservative than their own. I don't think Trump is conservative, but I don't think over half of the GOP Presidential candidates and 90+% of GOP pols in DC (at least in practice) are conservative either. So fucking what? Trump is the one person that I'm allowed to worry about not being conservative? Fuck that.

Posted by: gm at August 14, 2015 02:41 PM (ty+Et)

306 True. I meant he wouldn't give a shit in terms of changing his mind on something. He'd call the NY Times a rag and still do what he wanted to do.

He wouldn't give a shit because he doesn't care.

If he felt like supporting amnesty tomorrow, he would. Why not? Who the hell does he have to answer to?

And he's not just flip-flopped, he's been flopping all over the deck on everything.

Other than taking a position in his current campaign, what has Trump actually done to combat illegal immigration?

Has he even donated money to candidates who are anti-illegals?

Posted by: AmishDude at August 14, 2015 02:41 PM (b65cm)

307 Someone to rape, pillage and burn his way through the Southern states?

Posted by: Insomniac


Now, now, Insomniac. We all know that only happened because the Southerners were so crude and subhuman.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at August 14, 2015 02:41 PM (/Ho8c)

308 Ace, the political metric you and others fail to acknowledge is that those on the right have become as unhinged to those on the left. Feelings have overwhelmed ability to reason. Both sides are angry and ready for unprogrammed leadership. Dangerous times that are a product of both parties embracing a dysfunctional status quo, cronyism, unaccountability, and outright corruption. For some, it's either Trump (or Sanders) or let it burn. Sometimes hope is found in the worst places...time to bring our fellow Americans back constitutional republic understanding (Cruz perhaps) and well measured and gracious civil discourse (maybe Fiorina).

Posted by: nosworthy at August 14, 2015 02:41 PM (lhnFV)

309 He'd call the NY Times a rag and still do what he wanted to do. And isn't that exactly what we're looking for in a president?

No. I want him to call the Times a rag and still do what I want him to do.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 14, 2015 02:41 PM (2lndx)

310 That said, Coulter does have a point that what the candidates say about immigration "is just their way of lying to us."
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And Cooke supports most of these liars. First and foremost that princeling of immigration lies ,Marco Rubio (of whom Cooke thinks every evening fapping himself to sleep).

Posted by: The Nayden Broad at August 14, 2015 02:41 PM (jcEA7)

311 Feel Good Story of the Day:

A demented ex con, hours after promising a fight to the death, died in a hail of police bullets to end a six hour Friday standoff at his Staten Island home, sources said.

A barrage of gunfire erupted around noon at the residence where suspect Garland Tyree had set an early morning fire and then twice shot an FDNY lieutenant after a failed arrest attempt.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2015 02:41 PM (DUoqb)

312
It's worth recognizing that a Trump presidency would have a non-zero
chance of Gary Busey in a cabinet position. I want that. I need that.

Posted by: Sporkatus at August 14, 2015 02:31 PM (HtLSE)

Bill Murray for Secretary of Defense. The parade ground formations, drills, and cadences will be fabulous!

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 14, 2015 02:41 PM (JO9+V)

313 Charles C. W. Cooke to be branded a foreign faggit
______________

You misspelled John Oliver.

Posted by: Kenway at August 14, 2015 02:42 PM (Qjumz)

314 "Cooke's first words were to call Hannity and Coulter and any number of conservatives who don't disparage Trump insane."

A tactical mistake, because if anything has been shown these past few weeks it's that Trump and his supporters are incredibly thin-skinned. Then again, if Cooke had started with words of effusive praise for the Trumpkins, they'd still find some other issue with what he said.

Posted by: Paul at August 14, 2015 02:42 PM (P1jJI)

315 A buddy of mine of Facebook has been posting the new Bloom County comics as they were coming out (he's a rabid Berke Breathed fan).

I noted that just about all the comics were bashing Trump, and I thought, "Isn't this great, the guy starts up again and it's all Republican bashing. Isn't one Doonesbury much more than enough?"

Then it hit me: Trump's not a Republican! He's just another Democrat looking for attention wherever he can get it. (See Bloomberg, Michael) So, flame on, Berke! Tear that toupe'd doof a new one!

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at August 14, 2015 02:42 PM (DLu2s)

316 273 So being anti-vax is a bad thing?
Posted by: Actinide at August 14, 2015 02:35 PM (Pb6tP)

Uh, yeah, it is.

Do you take your science cues from Jenny McCarthy, Bobby Kennedy Jr. and Jim Carrey? Don't. They are left-wing idiots.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at August 14, 2015 02:42 PM (u0lmX)

317 281 "This. Jeb is loving the Trump candidacy. The man Jeb fears is Kasich, who is the more articulate version of Jeb."
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Kasich is a Bush plant. The inevitability of Jeb hinges on Florida, Texas and Ohio. Kasich is at best a plan B candidate for Bush Dynasty.

Posted by: Hank, Your Friend in Congress at August 14, 2015 02:42 PM (oDCMR)

318 Come here, baby.

Let me put my nominee in you.

Posted by: GOP/e : We Only Hit You Because We Love at August 14, 2015 02:42 PM (Yrjee)

319 " Trump would turn the bully pulpit into an executioner pulpit. For that alone is reason to vote for the guy."

What the hell is this even supposed to mean?

Am I on a parody site?

Posted by: Paul at August 14, 2015 02:43 PM (P1jJI)

320 Cooke's first words were to call Hannity and Coulter and any number of conservatives who don't disparage Trump insane.
Posted by: gm at August 14, 2015 02:36 PM (ty+Et)


He said nothing of the sort. He said that a collective insanity has gripped the conservative movement. Which is correct. Trump has proved time and again that he's not even close to being a conservative.

Disparaging Trump is a tactic that will backfire for the candidates. But conservatives should feel free to point out that the guy is a just a blowhard and is lying about his alleged conservatism.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 14, 2015 02:43 PM (laMCB)

321 So Ann "harpie" Coulter is making all sorts of nuance about Trump that she wouldn't give to Rubio? Perfect example of "some pigs are more equal than others". This primary is a joke. Fuck being a conservative if it means I have to bow down to Trumpkins and their media enablers.

Posted by: chocolatepretzel at August 14, 2015 02:43 PM (6VJV0)

322 Gnubreed: Interesting, hadn't thought of it like that before re Cruz.


Ace:

I'm not making my own facts up and frankly this is unfortunate. Yes, I've seen the interviews that Trump gave on this. I've also read the campaign's written position on PP, which I've posted here and it's exactly what I said it was. This statement was given to clarify Trump's comments after the interviews you've quoted here.


Are we to the point where we are refusing to believe the candidates written official statement issued to clarify any misunderstanding? That was issued days ago.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 14, 2015 02:43 PM (q5APL)

323 The proper response is: With all the shit going down today, you want me to play Monday morning quarterback about a war that started over a decade ago? Here's an idea: Why don't you go fuck yourself?


That's the Jeb Bush I would vote for.
Posted by: Brewdog at August 14, 2015 02:40 PM (F+bI6)

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.....aaaaaannd there boys and girls .... is the nub of the problem. Jeb aint never saying that .... no way..... no how.

Posted by: fixerupper at August 14, 2015 02:44 PM (8XRCm)

324 I look at Trump as a master triangulator.

He's going to be in Iowa tomorrow I'd love someone to ask him about corn welfare.

If you want to expose Trump I'd say the best way to do it is treat him like a serious candidate.

Ask him serious, non Hugh Hewitt type questsions.

Mr Trump you are now President what does your first 100 days look like?

Instead we get this passive aggressive emo nonsense from the GOPe spirit squad.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 14, 2015 02:44 PM (mysAS)

325 Crazy I know.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 14, 2015 02:37 PM (q5APL)

Well, actually it is. You can't make policy on "I heard from a friend" stories.

Seriously, not something I would admit, if I wanted to be taken seriously.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 14, 2015 02:44 PM (0FSuD)

326 NGU, a man after my own heart. When politics are dreary and dismal, sports, especially amateur sports, are a great elixir. Through a very serendipitous walk up the street to get chowder and bisque on our last night at the Cape, I ran into a "summer friend" from my teens and twenties. Turns out he's a bigwig at USNA Athletics (on the Sales/Marketing side). Had a great 15 minute conversation and learned that he's worked for NBA teams among his other jobs and is currently interviewing for the position of GM at an NBADL franchise in NC. So, long story short, Amateur sports might be verrrrry, verrry good to me if he gets the job.
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 14, 2015 02:39 PM (2cS/G)

Yup. Keeps my mind off the dismal state of affairs in this Country. And with 2 months left in the Fiscal Year the Navy has run out of money and all Active Duty Training Orders have been cancelled if not already executed. Way to go Fredo

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2015 02:44 PM (DUoqb)

327 Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2015 02:41 PM (DUoqb)

Unfortunately, he wounded a cop before he got waxed. So it's not entirely a feel good story.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at August 14, 2015 02:44 PM (u0lmX)

328 Republican Front Runner Donald Trump

Posted by: AOSHQ Style Guide at August 14, 2015 02:44 PM (Yrjee)

329 I'm just going to drop this here, in case it hasn't already been dropped:

"You're A Fool If You're Supporting Donald Trump (And You're Being Exploited.)"

http://preview.tinyurl.com/op9gdm4
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 14, 2015 02:25 PM (9mTYi)




I'll up the ante,

Defending The Donald

Do you have his back, or do you hate America?


http://freebeacon.com/blog/defending-the-donald/

brilliant, as always

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 02:44 PM (qCMvj)

330 Ah, thank you Pixy for hashes. Almost made the mistake of replying to Moomoo.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 14, 2015 02:44 PM (0NdlF)

331 What is he up to?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette


If'n you haven't figured out that Trump is all about the Trump, you aren't paying attention.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2015 02:44 PM (ZCFje)

332 Posted by: prescient11 at August 14, 2015 02:37 PM (q5APL)

Anecdote.

I don't give a rat's ass about his anecdotes about vaccines.

He is a dangerous fool who is jeopardizing millions of people if he believes an anecdote over 200 years of vaccination research and data.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 14, 2015 02:44 PM (Zu3d9)

333
I think Trump would screw us just as badly as Jeb.
BTW, the economic gains made under Jeb were due to the housing bubble. When the bubble popped, so did the gains.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at August 14, 2015 02:44 PM (jtStN)

334 I have a feeling it's going to be Trump/Fiorina 2016. I'll vote for them. It just feels inevitable. Then 8 years of who knows what.

For the record, I would prefer Cruz/Fiorina.

Posted by: IdahoMatt at August 14, 2015 02:44 PM (SgYQy)

335 He was saying that people shouldn't waste their votes for Perot, who had no chance to win...but rather vote for Bush/Quayle, who did.

Utterly tone deaf and ignorant...not to mention unpersuasive.


And yet, completely, 100% correct, no?

Posted by: Lea at August 14, 2015 02:44 PM (lIU4e)

336 The proper response is: With all the shit going down today, you want me to play Monday morning quarterback about a war that started over a decade ago? Here's an idea: Why don't you go fuck yourself?

That's the Jeb Bush I would vote for.
Posted by: Brewdog at August 14, 2015 02:40 PM (F+bI6)

___________

None of them would ever answer it that way. Except one guy....

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 02:45 PM (0LHZx)

337 Well said ace

Posted by: gwelf at August 14, 2015 02:45 PM (+7Usq)

338 Unfortunately, he wounded a cop before he got waxed. So it's not entirely a feel good story.
Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at August 14, 2015 02:44 PM (u0lmX)

He will not be wounding any more!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2015 02:45 PM (DUoqb)

339 I have a feeling it's going to be Trump/Fiorina 2016.

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Magic 8 ball says "unlikely"

Posted by: SH at August 14, 2015 02:45 PM (gmeXX)

340 SOYLENT TRUMP IS PEEPLE! HEEEE'S PEEEEEEEPLE!!!!!1!

Posted by: Bigby's 3 Finger Salute at August 14, 2015 02:45 PM (3ZtZW)

341 Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2015 02:44 PM (DUoqb)

Then you have more time to drink.

See? Silver lining!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 14, 2015 02:46 PM (Zu3d9)

342 I think Trump would screw us just as badly as Jeb.
BTW, the economic gains made under Jeb were due to the housing bubble. When the bubble popped, so did the gains.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at August 14, 2015 02:44 PM (jtStN)

Your not under the impressions that we are not going to get screwed not matter what are you?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2015 02:46 PM (DUoqb)

343 Jeb! is living rent free in the heads of many commenters here. Because they are certain that everything is a conspiracy* to make Jeb! the next president.

All other candidates aren't in the race out of their own volition, they were all brought in to divide the Conservative vote so that Jeb! can cruise to a plurality and get the nomination.

Attacking Trump is done not because you disagree with the man but because he is the only thing that can destroy GOPe and if the torpedoes don't go into the thermal exhaust ports GOPe will destroy the Conservative Base. And we'll have Jeb!

And so on.

*A conspiracy by people who are derided as the Stupid Party, who are accused on not being able to cross the street without tripping. But get them some Jeb! to get nominated and they are Prof. Moriarty, Machivelli, and Lucretia Borgia all in one.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Free Shipping for Atrocities, Monstrosities, and Barbarisms at the Outrage Outlet! at August 14, 2015 02:46 PM (hLRSq)

344 @290 I don't give a fuck what you do, who you fire, I want a a 5% cut by next Friday. Go.

That's how a CEO runs things. And what we need is a fuck you, do your job CEO as president.
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You know, one of the candidates was a CEO whose big supposed negative is that a lot of people got laid off under her watch...

I'm just sayin'...

:p

Posted by: junior at August 14, 2015 02:46 PM (FRGa/)

345 I think Anne just wants to have The Donald's dick down her huge throat.



Next to her old flame the Penthouse owner's son, The Donald looks good.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 14, 2015 02:47 PM (0FSuD)

346 Then you have more time to drink.

See? Silver lining!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 14, 2015 02:46 PM (Zu3d9)

Yeah not my Orders since I am special. Anyway most of my Orders have been executed.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2015 02:47 PM (DUoqb)

347 Supporting Trump doesn't seem to be about his policies which is why Cooke, Ace, etc are perplexed why conservatives are seemingly ditching their principles when before they would never do that. Disaffected people support Trump because they put the GOPe in charge with Bush we got more spending and more entitlements. We put them in charge after Obamacare and instead of repealing it or doing really anything to stop Obama they rubber stamp his agenda better than Reid. People have woken up to the fact of the uniparty controlled by the CoC and support Trump because he's not beholden to them and fights them. Yes he fights and maybe he will be the SMOD, LiB, etc that everyone here has been clamoring for that finally destroys the GOPe and maybe we'll get an actual opposition party. The chances of this happening are maybe 5-10% but it's better than supporting one of the fraction candidates so Jeb can ascend and another Bush can be beaten by another Clinton.

Posted by: LB at August 14, 2015 02:47 PM (0EGLP)

348 Posted by: junior at August 14, 2015 02:46 PM (FRGa/)

+1

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 14, 2015 02:47 PM (Zu3d9)

349 I want someone who has never been elected dog catcher to go in and first day say something like cut spending by 5%. I don't give a fuck what you do, who you fire, I want a a 5% cut by next Friday. Go.

That only works if you are convinced that what he wants to do is cut.

What if he wants to increase spending? Because why the hell not?

Why would you think Trump would cut spending?

Especially if it would make his life difficult. He isn't into making his life difficult. He's into getting accolades.

The reason you want somebody who has held political office is that they've been faced with real decisions with real tradeoffs and have had to balance that against their ideology. Then you can judge them by their expensive record rather than cheap rhetoric.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 14, 2015 02:48 PM (b65cm)

350 Ace: Trump specifically tweeted last year that vaxes cause AUTISM (his caps)

And we know for a fact that they don't?

Posted by: Actinide at August 14, 2015 02:48 PM (Pb6tP)

351 Surrender in Cuba today.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2015 02:14 PM (DUoqb)





The MFM was very giddy over that. I half expected them to chant Fidel! Fidel! Fidel! Oh and that pompous ass Kerry needed a swift kick in the chops

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 14, 2015 02:48 PM (OE2ur)

352 Magic 8 ball says "unlikely"

Posted by: SH at August 14, 2015 02:45 PM (gmeXX)

Mine says no chance in hell.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 14, 2015 02:48 PM (0FSuD)

353 What is the real difference between Trump and Jeb? At least Trump is willing to lie to me.

Posted by: so what? at August 14, 2015 02:48 PM (j2xmV)

354 Here's what I hear: So Charles W. Cooke (fine guy, all due respect) and those who agree with him want me to rise up and repudiate Donald Trump.

They're not trying to sell me on another candidate. They're not going, "Here! This guy is better! Back him instead!" No, now it's somehow important that I actively repudiate him. Break with him and throw dog poop on his shoes. And George Will trotted out the hoary old example of sainted William F. Buckley excommunicating the John Birchers. Goddamn, it always comes back to that, doesn't it.

Yeah, but I'm not going do to it. How the fuck is it now my job to police the field of GOP candidates?

You want me to support someone else? Okay. Show me someone else FFS.

It's like they think they're Mommy and they feel like they have to make me eat my lima beans.

Posted by: Brewdog at August 14, 2015 02:49 PM (F+bI6)

355 319 " Trump would turn the bully pulpit into an executioner pulpit. For that alone is reason to vote for the guy."

What the hell is this even supposed to mean?

Am I on a parody site?
Posted by: Paul at August 14, 2015 02:43 PM (P1jJI)

__________

It means he'd do as president what he says as a candidate. Which is pretty much an alien concept to GOPe politicians.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 02:49 PM (0LHZx)

356 "That's one of the most disgraceful things in all of this, that the punishment for speaking facts which are not useful to Trump's candidacy is a SWJ style social media shaming."

The punishment for everything is SJW style social shaming. Social shaming is our politics. The mainstream right has been going full bore SJW style on trump, even with the same issues the SJWs use (racist, misogynist, blah blah blah).

Democrats won the culture war. We're all SJWs now.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at August 14, 2015 02:49 PM (TULs6)

357 So is it okay now to say I don't trust Trump without being called a RINO?

Posted by: donna at August 14, 2015 02:49 PM (hUdMz)

358 And we know for a fact that they don't?

Posted by: Actinide at August 14, 2015 02:48 PM (Pb6tP)

Depends whether you think the sun revolves around the earth.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 14, 2015 02:50 PM (Zu3d9)

359 HUCK/AKIN @ # 80: "But I am also pretty sure El Jeb, Kasich, Fiorina and Rubio would be signing that ban at lightning speed."

"That ban" referring to an assault weapons ban.

See, it's that sort of thing right there, that makes me suspect that much of the support for Trump actually comes from Moby-ing leftists trying to give some momentum to the most disastrous candidate they can find. (As they did with McCain in 2008 -- our nominee was basically picked for us by Florida Democrats crossing over to pollute the Republican primary.)

Carly Fiorina has always opposed the AWB and has an AQ rating with NRA. (An A rating where it's based on her responses to their survey, since she has no voting record.) Rubio's is a B+ and he opposed the AWB even just weeks after Sandy Hook, when others ran for cover.

So your statement is bullshit.

Either you're uninformed, or you're trying to sew discord and cut down the more conservative candidates.

I'd like to see the real breakdown in Trump support -- how much of it is from people who will never vote R in the general. And I'd like to know who this HUCK/AKIN character is, and who's paying him to post this tripe.

Posted by: Pastafarian at August 14, 2015 02:50 PM (LqrRo)

360 "And we know for a fact that they don't?"

Well I guess there's the .0000000001% chance that they do. So based on that .0000000001% chance I'm gonna totally leave my kids susceptible to diseases that had otherwise been almost completely eradicated. Because Jenny McCarthy is definitely more trustworthy than people who actually have medical degrees and stuff.

Posted by: Paul at August 14, 2015 02:50 PM (P1jJI)

361 It means he'd do as president what he says as a candidate.
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Act buffoonish?

On that I agree.

Posted by: SH at August 14, 2015 02:50 PM (gmeXX)

362 Didn't Walker make this part of his debate conclusion?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 02:25 PM (qCMvj)

Thought Cruz did as well.

Still wouldn't make the bet though.
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 14, 2015 02:31 PM (fWAjv)


Yeah, I think Cruz did it at the debate, Walker did it in an interview.


Scott Walker: I'd Reverse Obama's Actions as President

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker said Sunday he would reverse a lot of President Barack Obama's actions if elected president.

Appearing on "The Cats Roundtable" on AM 970 in New York, Walker, who is considering a White House run, said the first three things he would do as president would be to pull out of Obama's "horrible" nuclear deal with Iran, reverse Obama's executive order on illegal immigrants and work with Congress to achieve reforms that "put power back in the hands of the states."

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 02:51 PM (qCMvj)

363 And I'd like to know who this HUCK/AKIN character is, and who's paying him to post this tripe.
Posted by: Pastafarian at August 14, 2015 02:50 PM (LqrRo)


The Former Moo Moo and the richest man on the blog.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2015 02:51 PM (DUoqb)

364 53 >>>You're better than this and the paragraph preceding it ace. It reeks of another blogger I used to read who whenever he linked Andrew Sullivan would always go "yes boo he's gay." Basically to try and shut down all criticism preemptively by claiming "you just don't like him because you're a homophobe."

you think it's wrong of me to be upset by the savaging of commentators for daring to disagree with an impassioned majority?

Look at what's going on here: You are saying that *I'm* shutting down conversation, when what I'm objecting to is other people's attempts to shut down conversation.

Calling Cooke a faggit is not really having a discussion, it is attempting to shame him into shutting up.

Now, no one has done that, but Cooke published two of his hate mails on Twitter last night and they did just that. (Though, admittedly, the one beginning "Dear F*cK Face" was kinda funny.)



Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 02:05 PM (dciA+)
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Let Charles moderate that NR Debate coming up this winter and watch, Trump will be re-writing those hate mails to Cooke, word-for-word, himself.

Posted by: Jersey Jerk at August 14, 2015 02:51 PM (iJ3YG)

365 Posted by: Paul at August 14, 2015 02:50 PM (P1jJI)

She has an awesome body.

[that's pretty much the only nice thing I can say about her]

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 14, 2015 02:51 PM (Zu3d9)

366 And we know for a fact that they don't?
Posted by: Actinide at August 14, 2015 02:48 PM (Pb6tP)

Yes.

Please stop with this harmful, ignorant meme. It makes you sound like a whack job. Children have died because of idiot anti-vaxers.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at August 14, 2015 02:51 PM (u0lmX)

367 Act buffoonish?

On that I agree.

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Oh, and I like buffoonary.

But I have no clue what he'd do as president. But that may be better than hoping someone will do something and then see them do the opposite.

Posted by: SH at August 14, 2015 02:51 PM (gmeXX)

368 I think Trump is just the Obama of the Republican party. He's actually far left, but he pretends to be patriotic and support domestic policy if it gets him elected. He will pretend to do nothing for approx 6 years, if possible, and be the empty chain, then will spring in to action with what he really wanted to do all along, but knew could prevent his reelection.

Posted by: But so what? at August 14, 2015 02:52 PM (7wyDO)

369 357 So is it okay now to say I don't trust Trump without being called a RINO?
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I think the wise move is not to trust any of them. Force them to state their three top changes as Prez and then see if you believe them. Jeb is honest - he just has a terrible policy of Amnesty for 40M illegals while one third of adult America is unemployed. How the Fuck does that work?

Posted by: Hank, Your Friend in Congress at August 14, 2015 02:52 PM (oDCMR)

370 Amazingly, all those here who are getting most vociferous about their opposition to Trump and all who support his candidacy, are also the ones who seem to have the clearest idea of exactly WHY various unschooled Haterz -- among the Horde and elsewhere -- support him. I mean, they've got it down, pegged, right in the ol' cross-hairs.

Seems strange to me. I can't figure out why those people support who they support.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 14, 2015 02:52 PM (0atQl)

371 So is it okay now to say I don't trust Trump without being called a RINO?

Posted by: donna at August 14, 2015 02:49 PM (hUdMz)


No. And worse, you're now a GOPer who wants the Jeb! in the White House.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Free Shipping for Atrocities, Monstrosities, and Barbarisms at the Outrage Outlet! at August 14, 2015 02:52 PM (hLRSq)

372 The MFM was very giddy over that. I half expected them to chant Fidel! Fidel! Fidel!

Obama has Fidel envy. He would love to "rule" until he is 90+ years old.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 14, 2015 02:52 PM (W5DcG)

373 With Jeb I **KNOW** he will give us amnesty, increase spending on all the bullshit like education, most likely do some sort of "sensible gun control" and essentially be Obama's 3rd Term.

With Trump, I don't know. He might be Obama's 3rd term. He might not. I can't see him being any worse.

So the choice is elect Jeb who you know will fuck you over or take a chance on Trump who might surprise you.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 02:52 PM (0LHZx)

374 I'm disappointed in Coulter. I expect her to come to her senses though as she did with Christie.

I get the rage against the machine and I'm with you but Trump is the last person I would choose to be my messenger.

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 14, 2015 02:52 PM (cJswI)

375 On vaccinations, he said he thinks it's the massive dosage that's the problem. No need to give a baby all at once, spread the shots out.


He never said don't get vaccinated. Period.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 14, 2015 02:52 PM (q5APL)

376
reposted





Funny, doesn't it seem odd that the most ferocious Romney supporters hate Trump the most?

The things Trump haters repeat ad nauseum - flip-flops, liberal supporter, etc. - are the very things that that Romney did.



Posted by: Joanne

Posted by: s at August 14, 2015 02:52 PM (Yrjee)

377 How is it "ditching my principles" to say that Trump is an OK guy, but it wasn't "ditching my principles" to try to help Mitch McConnell become the Senate Majority Leader.

I mean, either way I have to hold my nose and take the best deal I can get.

The House member from my district is about the squishiest Republican you can imagine. From the polite, conciliatory wing of the party that thinks it very, very important not to scare the luxury SUV set. Eh. Best we could get.

Posted by: Brewdog at August 14, 2015 02:53 PM (F+bI6)

378 Are you talking about the same Trump that need a box of tissues and a pint of ice cream after Megan Kelly asked him questions?
Posted by: nerble at August 14, 2015 02:34 PM (5ih4P)


nah, he threw out some more red Trump meat is all.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 02:53 PM (qCMvj)

379 It's a toss up. Elect one of the you know whos, win, hold the WH and both houses of Congress. Talk up big plans just to be shut down by 4 paragraphs in the NYT.

Or go with something different.

It is still an inner struggle to figure this thing out.

Posted by: Drider at August 14, 2015 02:54 PM (DNFK1)

380 >>>> buffoonary



We use those in the mimes.

Posted by: Bigby's 3 Finger Salute at August 14, 2015 02:54 PM (3ZtZW)

381 On vaccinations, he said he thinks it's the massive dosage that's the problem.

Doctor Trump, to the ER, stat. Doctor Trump, to the ER, stat.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 14, 2015 02:54 PM (b65cm)

382
"You're not under the impression that we are not going to get screwed no matter what are you?"
I have not lost all hope yet. My hope is that we can minimize the screwing with the right candidate, but there will be some regardless.
I have NO doubt Jeb, Kasich, and Huckabee are those we should not trust at all and Trump is not far behind them.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at August 14, 2015 02:54 PM (jtStN)

383 " On vaccinations, he said he thinks it's the massive dosage that's the problem."

Yes, and he's still full of crap on this.

Posted by: Paul at August 14, 2015 02:55 PM (P1jJI)

384
The things Trump haters repeat ad nauseum - flip-flops, liberal supporter, etc. - are the very things that that Romney did.

-
Maybe they were doing the Hokey Pokey.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 14, 2015 02:55 PM (XUKZU)

385 Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 02:37 PM (0LHZx)

Like I said, you want a dictator. And no, you don't have to be in government for decades, or even in government to understand how it works, and more importantly, how the founders set it up to work.

Objective one is to defend Liberty. Everything flows from that.

Trump is definitely not a person who gets this. Cruz, for example, is.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 14, 2015 02:55 PM (laMCB)

386 "Carly Fiorina has always opposed the AWB and has an AQ rating with NRA. (An A rating where it's based on her responses to their survey, since she has no voting record.) "

___________

Holy fuck you can't be this stupid. So Carly has no voting record on anything but because she said something, she will totally to that something as well. Because it's a well known fact politicans never, ever, say something as a candidate and then do the exact opposite once in office.


And they call Trump supporters stupid? Fuck me.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 02:55 PM (0LHZx)

387 I think Trump is a great guy. He can win, just like I did and got Bush one defeated.
Posted by: Ross Perot, I brought you Bill Clinton at August 14, 2015 02:34 PM (0FSuD)


meh

Trump is no Perot.

Everyone knows Trump, especially the LiV's. He's a celeb. He has a hot wife. He has cool hotels. He talks sh*t. He's alpha male.

Perot? I had never heard of him until he came forward. And, he was a tiny little creature.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 02:56 PM (qCMvj)

388 "You're not under the impression that we are not going to get screwed no matter what are you?"
I have not lost all hope yet. My hope is that we can minimize the screwing with the right candidate, but there will be some regardless.
I have NO doubt Jeb, Kasich, and Huckabee are those we should not trust at all and Trump is not far behind them.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at August 14, 2015 02:54 PM (jtStN)

My advise: Buy guns and a lot of ammo and as a fall back plan buy a lot of KY Jelly

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2015 02:56 PM (DUoqb)

389 He has supported abortion and government control of healthcare? Sounds like a severe conservative to me.

Posted by: Mitt! at August 14, 2015 02:56 PM (aDkn+)

390 I think the most interesting thing about Trump would be his cabinet. Col. West for DoD, Palin for Energy, Bolton for S o S, Walker for NLRB, Nugent for BLM, and Cruz for SC!

Posted by: Chilling the most at August 14, 2015 02:56 PM (zW5rQ)

391 Seems strange to me. I can't figure out why those people support who they support.


Posted by: MrScribbler at August 14, 2015 02:52 PM (0atQl)


I've said it before and I'll repeat myself. I support Walker because of his accomplishments. Those have actually had great effect in Wisconsin, in budgets and in damaging the unions which were a guaranteed source of money and volunteers for the Democrats.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Free Shipping for Atrocities, Monstrosities, and Barbarisms at the Outrage Outlet! at August 14, 2015 02:56 PM (hLRSq)

392

You know, I might be the only who has got this Trump situation figured correctly.

If the GOP wants to give us Jeb or some other flimsy, suck-ass squish: there is nothing wrong with supporting Trump in sticking his yuuuuge, fabulous cock in the GOP sideways.
-No lube. No courtesy warning.

If - on the other hand - a real conservative (like Bobby Jindal, Ted Cruz, or Carly Fiorina) rises in the polls such as to be in striking range of seizing the nomination: 99% of everyone commenting here in favor of The Don would suddenly dump Trump.

Consider:
If it were a dead heat between Ted Cruz and Trump: there would be virtually no Trump supporters here.
And the few remaining supporters would be so swamped by opposing comments that they would be embarrassingly irrelevant.

Until then: let the fucking GOP eat Trump!




Posted by: _Dave_ at August 14, 2015 02:57 PM (l2dSQ)

393 Posted by: s at August 14, 2015 02:52 PM (Yrjee)

BS. I was never a "ferocious" Romney supporter, especially of late. I am no fan of Trump.

You can flip "Joanne's" statement around very easily: why do Trump supports condemn Romney's flip-flops and liberal stances while being perfectly fine with Trump's? And Trump is more liberal across the board than Romney.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at August 14, 2015 02:57 PM (u0lmX)

394 Stinks in here as it get's insulting

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2015 02:57 PM (DUoqb)

395 Wait, Cooke's a homo? I mean not just in the English Public School way?

Posted by: Grump928(c) predicts at August 14, 2015 02:57 PM (evdj2)

396 So the choice is elect Jeb who you know will fuck you over or take a chance on Trump who might surprise you.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 02:52 PM (0LHZx)


I reject your premise and chose Walker.

There.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Free Shipping for Atrocities, Monstrosities, and Barbarisms at the Outrage Outlet! at August 14, 2015 02:57 PM (hLRSq)

397 OT: Charles Cooke needs a haircut.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 02:35 PM (qCMvj)

And a scarf and beret.
Posted by: rrpjr at August 14, 2015 02:36 PM (s/yC1)


lol

I has a scarf on last night. I'm an ebil leftie commie. Came in handy, the restaurant got chilly.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 02:58 PM (qCMvj)

398 I think the most interesting thing about Trump would be his cabinet. Col. West for DoD, Palin for Energy, Bolton for S o S, Walker for NLRB, Nugent for BLM, and Cruz for SC!

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Again, I think the best thing about a Trump presidency (which I give just about 0% chance of happening) would be a Congress that would reassert itself.

Posted by: SH at August 14, 2015 02:58 PM (gmeXX)

399
Charles C. W. Cooke charlescwcooke Jul 21
If I could install someone by fiat, with no election, Id be happy with Walker, Rubio, or Perry.



The fop hath chosen. Rubio is totes conservative.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 14, 2015 02:58 PM (kdS6q)

400
"I have never seen a coblogger even say something *positive* about Jeb. I can't recall a *commenter* even saying something positive."


Here goes. He managed to stay out of the way and not F up the Florida recount in 2000.


Posted by: Benji Carver at August 14, 2015 02:58 PM (OD2ni)

401 I swear some people never learn any lessons. The election of 2014 was all about vote for us, we're really super duper conservative, swearsies. And then 30 seconds after the election was over Bitch and Boner essentially said "on second thought we will do everything Obama wants us to do".

And these very same people are now telling you Trump is not conservative enough and should be shunned.

Wake the fuck up.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 02:58 PM (0LHZx)

402 To my way of thinking there are three centers of power in any society: Politicians, Profit Makers and Priests -- the priesthood basically being any person or entity that shapes the morals of a culture. Each of these power centers is jealous of the other.

A president has to embody -- or appear to embody -- aspects of all of those, with the greatest emphasis on politics, and show a capability of working within each of the major power centers.

It is naive to think that a non-politician can play the presidential game. While Trump has the bona fides in business, he just carries no weight in the other areas. His past indicates that he is not in step with the cultural concerns of traditional conservatism.

Jeb lacks any real presence in any of the three areas.

I think others in the current field of Repubs have strengths in one, maybe two, of the three areas. You have to be first and foremost a politician, and you have to be good at it at the retail and wholesale level.

In my mind, Walker comes the closest to the presidential ideal, but he needs to work on the retail stuff.

Carly is strong on area two and three, and I think she is smart enough to learn the political ropes. She just doesn't have a constituency.

Cruz is good at the political stuff, and he is sympathetic to the business and cultural conservatism stuff, but it has not yet translated to a constituency, either.

Christie is excellent at politics and rhetoric, but he has no record in the business or cultural areas. He has sent signals that he is not comfortable within cultural conservatism.

Jindal presents a pretty good balance of the three areas. Perhaps campaigning will help him hone the retail politics.

Carson. Probably strong on the cultural conservatism, but no real pull in politics or business. Good man. Great man in fact. Would trust him with many things, but I fear he would get eaten alive in the political arena.

Kasich good at politics, but in my mind a non entity in the profit making and priestly realm. From what I can tell his instincts are conservative, but he prioritizes the politics over the other two areas.

Just my quick rundown that no one asked for.

Posted by: ObjectionSustained at August 14, 2015 02:58 PM (WAGLQ)

403 I reject your premise and chose Walker.

There.

Me too...

Posted by: donna at August 14, 2015 02:58 PM (hUdMz)

404
This trump thing does remind me of McCaskill's article on how she got Akin to be her opponent because that was the only chance in hell she could win.

And it worked.

a trump or jeb candidacy almost assures a prez hillary assuming that criminal whore makes it thru the primaries.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 14, 2015 02:58 PM (ODxAs)

405 >>>Ace, the issue isn't that Trump is a liberal or that he is just say whatever he thinks will get conservative votes. I think the majority of conservatives know that. What conservatives in the GOP are saying, maybe even subconsciously, is "You are lying to us anyways, we'll pick someone who isn't even part of the party and put them in charge." Who cares what he believes because you don't care either. At least Trump brought up immigration in a way that a lot of people have been voicing (violence, jobs, etc.), not the "nation of immigrants" pablum.

Constantly pounding on Trump for not being conservative doesn't do anything because that isn't the point.

...

i get that, but as I said, that's why I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone, where so many of the formerly True Conservative Stalwarts are telling me it doesn't matter if a candidate has been pro gun control, pro abortion, pro amnesty, and pro Hillary Clinton.

They would not say this of any other candidate -- in fact, they disqualify candidates on those sorts of grounds (usually for far smaller heresies).

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 02:59 PM (dciA+)

406
"My advise: Buy guns and a lot of ammo and as a fall back plan buy a lot of KY Jelly"
Already up on the first two...I'll eat a bullet before the last one is needed.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at August 14, 2015 02:59 PM (jtStN)

407 The Alabama police officer who went viral after he was pistol whipped with his own gun last week said he didnt shoot his attacker because he didnt want to make headlines as the nations newest vilified cop.

The Birmingham detective, whose name has not yet been released, paused while a suspect attacked him during a traffic stop because he feared the country wide backlash he might receive for killing a black man, the head of the local police union said Friday.

Local law enforcement officers are walking on egg shells because they're so hesitant of how to interact because of whats taking place in the media, police Sgt. Heath Boackle, president of the Fraternal Order of Police, told the Daily News.

No doubt.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2015 02:59 PM (DUoqb)

408 Trump comes to me when he needs to borrow a few billion dollars.

Posted by: Mr. Doo Doo at August 14, 2015 02:59 PM (OD2ni)

409 And they call Trump supporters stupid? Fuck me.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016


No one here would fuck you with a b-stage, AIDS infected, Thai tranny whore's dick.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2015 02:59 PM (ZCFje)

410 He never said don't get vaccinated. Period.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 14, 2015 02:52 PM (q5APL)

AND neither did Carly. She said it should be the parents right to decide, which I can not object to, BUT she also said the school had the right not to admit and unvaccinated child and put the other children at risk.

Sounds like the right thing to say.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 14, 2015 02:59 PM (0FSuD)

411 "Holy fuck you can't be this stupid. So Carly has no voting record on anything but because she said something, she will totally to that something as well. Because it's a well known fact politicans never, ever, say something as a candidate and then do the exact opposite once in office.


And they call Trump supporters stupid? Fuck me."

So in other words, you aren't stupid for supporting a guy who has no voting track record, and all we have to go on are the things he said, even though the things he said are contradictory. But it is stupid to support or at least not immediately oppose someone who has no voting track record, and all we have to go on are the things he/she said, even though he/she has been fairly consistent.

It would be helpful if the Trumpkins could maybe hand out a guidebook to steer us through the heavy mass of contradictions that constantly spew forth from your keyboards, because frankly it's dizzying.

Posted by: Paul at August 14, 2015 02:59 PM (P1jJI)

412 Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 14, 2015 02:55 PM (XUKZU)

Maybe it's an illogical comparison. ( there's no maybe about it)

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 14, 2015 03:00 PM (cJswI)

413 i get that, but as I said, that's why I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone, where so many of the formerly True Conservative Stalwarts are telling me it doesn't matter if a candidate has been pro gun control, pro abortion, pro amnesty, and pro Hillary Clinton.

They would not say this of any other candidate -- in fact, they disqualify candidates on those sorts of grounds (usually for far smaller heresies).
Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 02:59 PM

What You said...

Posted by: donna at August 14, 2015 03:00 PM (hUdMz)

414 Cruz is still my guy
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2015 02:37 PM (DUoqb)



same, so if Trump figures a way to grab as many voters that he believes he can transfer to Cruz...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 03:00 PM (qCMvj)

415 From the sidebar:

If it looks like she's not going to win, I suspect Obama will turn the prosecutors loose on her.

-
In the words of The Big Bopper, "Ohh, baby. that's a what I want." Clinton versus Obama: Celebrity Deathmatch.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 14, 2015 03:00 PM (XUKZU)

416 "My advise: Buy guns and a lot of ammo and as a fall back plan buy a lot of KY Jelly"
Already up on the first two...I'll eat a bullet before the last one is needed.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at August 14, 2015 02:59 PM (jtStN)

I like the way you think.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2015 03:00 PM (DUoqb)

417 I don't trust any of them. But it's interesting how annoyed pundits are not being able to direct the mob

Posted by: ThunderB, Sharia Compliance Officer at August 14, 2015 03:00 PM (1/UKL)

418 Napoleon was once beloved by the French enlightenment figures. They called his form of rule "enlightened despotism".

Like Mussolini, like Obama, his supporters believed he was capable and desirous of doing all manner of good things.

It didn't quite work out that way.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 14, 2015 03:00 PM (b65cm)

419 I'm sure somebody said this upthread, but-

you can't understand Trump by studying Trump.


You can only understand Trump's support in the face of the completely supine position of Boehner/McConnell wrt Obama-

and the complete and absolute betrayal by B/M where they asked for our support to do certain things-

They received support and then did the exact opposite of what they had promised.


That meant that voting no longer matters.

That meant that the American experiment is over.

That meant that we have, for lack of a better phrase, a system of royals who do as they wish and Fie, on the serfs.



It is pitiful, but there it is, that people are going bananas over a guy who is only promising to do one thing that they want, but which to them is a very important thing-

and who may do everything else that they don't like

but they will get that one thing.


As opposed to Jeb! or Hillary! who will do the polar opposite of what they want.


Then there is the revenge factor-

If all politics in America is now all Pantomime all the time,

then here fuckers, choke on Pantomime President Trump.


It's really no more difficult than that.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 14, 2015 03:00 PM (0cMkb)

420 So Carly has no voting record on anything but because she said something, she will totally to that something as well. Because it's a well known fact politicans never, ever, say something as a candidate and then do the exact opposite once in office.

You seem to be in a logical conundrum here. Pastafarian did not say that Trump would sign the AW ban but Fiorina would not sign it. He just pointed out that Fiorina also has said she opposes one.

If you believe Trump's words simply because he's fighting the MSM, it makes sense to also take Fiorina at face value. She is doing a very good job of fighting the MSM.

If you discount Fiorina's words because they're just words, you kind of have to discount Trump's as well. Neither of them have a legislative record.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 14, 2015 03:00 PM (2lndx)

421 "foreign faggit" is this generation's "Eurotrash" and I like both terms somewhat equally.

Posted by: hmitchell3rd at August 14, 2015 03:00 PM (3YCXd)

422 > Consider: If it were a dead heat between Ted Cruz and Trump: there would be virtually no Trump supporters here.
And the few remaining supporters would be so swamped by opposing comments that they would be embarrassingly irrelevant.

I think that's 100% accurate.

Posted by: Brewdog at August 14, 2015 03:00 PM (F+bI6)

423
"They would not say this of any other candidate -- in fact, they disqualify candidates on those sorts of grounds (usually for far smaller heresies)."
You just explained why I don't trust Trump.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at August 14, 2015 03:00 PM (jtStN)

424 Holy fuck you can't be this stupid. So Carly has no voting record on anything but because she said something, she will totally to that something as well. Because it's a well known fact politicans never, ever, say something as a candidate and then do the exact opposite once in office.


And they call Trump supporters stupid?


Maybe just unaware of irony.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 14, 2015 03:01 PM (b65cm)

425 Are you talking about the same Trump that need a box of tissues and a pint of ice cream after Megan Kelly asked him questions?

Posted by: nerble at August 14, 2015 02:34 PM



You mean the same Meghan/Megan/Megyn who went hysterical and womyn-defensive in a failed attempt to boost ratings during a presidential debate ?

The one who made the debate all about her and then had to take an unscheduled vacation to put some ice on her ass?

That one?

Posted by: some random meathead at August 14, 2015 03:01 PM (Yrjee)

426 " I think the most interesting thing about Trump would be his cabinet. Col. West for DoD, Palin for Energy, Bolton for S o S, Walker for NLRB, Nugent for BLM, and Cruz for SC!"


Now that your daydream is over...

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Free Shipping for Atrocities, Monstrosities, and Barbarisms at the Outrage Outlet! at August 14, 2015 03:01 PM (hLRSq)

427 @386 Holy fuck you can't be this stupid. So Carly has no voting record on anything but because she said something, she will totally to that something as well. Because it's a well known fact politicans never, ever, say something as a candidate and then do the exact opposite once in office.
-----------------

So the fact that someone is not a career politician is now a strike against them. Thanks for the update! Give me a moment while I update my candidate points system.

Posted by: junior at August 14, 2015 03:01 PM (FRGa/)

428 Ok, I am pro-Cooke, anti-Trump. And support the euro faggit foreigner.

Posted by: hmitchell3rd at August 14, 2015 03:01 PM (3YCXd)

429 I've said it before and I'll repeat myself. I
support Walker because of his accomplishments. Those have actually had
great effect in Wisconsin, in budgets and in damaging the unions which
were a guaranteed source of money and volunteers for the Democrats.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Free Shipping for Atrocities, Monstrosities, and
Barbarisms at the Outrage Outlet! at August 14, 2015 02:56 PM


Fair enough. I'm conflicted about Walker because he has done things that make me think he's not ready for a bigger job.

But that's really of no consequence now. We're at the stage where he has to get through the Cage Matches with the others, and if he's still around later, I'll have to do some careful research and make up my mind.

But at least you have a reason.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 14, 2015 03:01 PM (0atQl)

430 Trump would turn the bully pulpit into an executioner pulpit. For that alone is reason to vote for the guy.
Posted by: Drider at August 14, 2015 02:37 PM (DNFK1)


speaking of British, Trump might just flip the Congress on its head into a parliamentary squabble fest

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 03:01 PM (qCMvj)

431 They would not say this of any other candidate -- in fact, they disqualify candidates on those sorts of grounds (usually for far smaller heresies).

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Its sort of like the left's victim hierarchy. There is a right-wing base hierarchy where attacking the media head trumps (pun intended) all.

Posted by: SH at August 14, 2015 03:01 PM (gmeXX)

432 Does Trump say it more convincingly, HUCK/AKIN?

Even though he has supported an Assault Weapons Ban (AWB) in the past...and Fiorina NEVER has...you believe him now, but not her.

OK. Yes, I'm the stooopid one.

So: Why is the choice only Jeb or Trump, HUCK/AKIN? Why don't you support Ted Cruz?

Because he's a lying liar?

Posted by: Pastafarian at August 14, 2015 03:01 PM (LqrRo)

433
Wait, Cooke's a homo? I mean not just in the English Public School way?
Posted by: Grump928(c)




He's an Oxbridge Englishman with a wife. So -- probably.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 14, 2015 03:01 PM (kdS6q)

434 as we just saw, the trump people are attempting to disqualify Fiorina for EXACTLY the same sorts of reasons that should also disqualify trump.

I guess I just want people to stop pretending there is any logic here, that you're opposed to other candidates because of political heresies and so forth.

stop using the language of conventional politics (where you argue x had y heretical position on issue z) when that plainly does not matter to you any longer.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:02 PM (dciA+)

435 I think you are confusing two things. I think Trump is a blowhard and center-left, I would never vote for him. But I also appreciate that he is making the Establishment talk about issues they have taken off the table.

Posted by: Fen at August 14, 2015 03:02 PM (LzTHP)

436 Speaking of ignorant fucks,

Hey, Moo, The Atlanta Fed has 3rd Qtr GDP forecast at 0.7%. Go ahead and tell us why that's certain to be wrong.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2015 03:02 PM (ZCFje)

437 When Trump is out, who's going to be the next GOPe target?

Posted by: Adrienne at August 14, 2015 03:03 PM (lVcuh)

438 So the fact that someone is not a career politician is now a strike against them. Thanks for the update!

Yeah , Rush remarked on this.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 14, 2015 03:03 PM (Yrjee)

439 Ace, the electorate on both sides are openly furious and less concerned with reason than their honest antipathy to the status quo. Provide real hope to these folks and Trump fades into rightful disregard. Again, our anger makes us just as likely to consider Trump as stocking ammo and letting it all burn. Me, I'm leaning toward making something better from ashes, not because Cruz/Fiorina wouldn't be a significant improvement but I have little faith that my fellow Americans will provide that possibility.

Posted by: nosworthy at August 14, 2015 03:03 PM (lhnFV)

440 And I will vote for Trump over Jeb 100% of the time.

If you are of the mind that Jeb, Kasich, Graham, Rubio or the rest of the GOPe is less likely to sell me out than Trump--you are more guilty of ignoring the past than the Trump supporters.

Posted by: RoyalOil at August 14, 2015 03:03 PM (ZvKdv)

441 Sen. John McCain, R Ariz., is demanding to know why a suspected ISIS member, who allegedly was complicit in the capture of American hostage Kayla Mueller, was handed over to Kurdish authorities instead of being extradited to the U.S. for trial.

Yeah we could have put him/her in Gitmo?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2015 03:03 PM (DUoqb)

442 Geez louise, the national news people are screeching with relief that the contaminated river is going back to pre spill levels, nothing to see here folks, move along! No more river sludge to talk about!!

Yeah, what is actually happening is the contaminants are being absorbed into the sediments they come into contact with as they travel down the river. So every time in the future that it rains? These chemicals will leach back into the water.

Hope the western states sue the EPA for all they've got.

Posted by: LizLem at August 14, 2015 03:03 PM (hvf9s)

443 "I swear some people never learn any lessons. The election of 2014 was all about vote for us, we're really super duper conservative, swearsies. And then 30 seconds after the election was over Bitch and Boner essentially said "on second thought we will do everything Obama wants us to do". "

Well, Walker did campaign on reigining in the public sector unions in Wisconsin and followed through on that, even though the Left though verything they had at him.I take him at his word.

Posted by: Benji Carver at August 14, 2015 03:03 PM (OD2ni)

444 Posted by: SH at August 14, 2015 02:58 PM (gmeXX)

Don't forget he said he would be happy to have Oprah be his VP running mate.

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 14, 2015 03:03 PM (cJswI)

445 I have never seen a coblogger even say something *positive* about Jeb. I can't recall a *commenter* even saying something positive.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 01:54 PM (dciA+)

It's not the site, it's the party. Who here didn't think the fix was in for Jeb?. Trump is screwing that up and that is the reason for the support.

Posted by: WOPR at August 14, 2015 03:04 PM (nRvEn)

446 When Trump is out, who's going to be the next GOPe target?

Trump is out!?!?

Posted by: Grump928(c) predicts at August 14, 2015 03:04 PM (evdj2)

447 -
If it were a dead heat between Ted Cruz and Trump: there would be virtually no Trump supporters here.
And the few remaining supporters would be so swamped by opposing comments that they would be embarrassingly irrelevant.

Until then: let the fucking GOP eat Trump!
Posted by: _Dave_ at August 14, 2015 02:57 PM (l2dSQ)
--------------------------------

This! to the eleventieth power

Posted by: irright at August 14, 2015 03:04 PM (pMGkg)

448
I am all for giving the GOPe the rasberry, but I don't think Trump is the way.
I also think some people see Trump as the MIB candidate and in all their rage, want him for that reason alone.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at August 14, 2015 03:04 PM (jtStN)

449 Jeepers, with Bush we get more Boehner/McConnell surrender to the NYTs. With Trump we get to fight and have fun. How is this a hard choice?

Posted by: Hank, Your Friend in Congress at August 14, 2015 03:04 PM (oDCMR)

450 > You can only understand Trump's support in the face of the completely supine position of Boehner/McConnell wrt Obama-

I'll add this: It should be abundantly clear that no one in the Republican party other than maybe Ted Cruz really, really believed in actually repealing Obamacare. They thought of opposition to Obamacare as just an issue to run on, but they would never have to actually do anything about it.

They planned all along to just string us along -- "contribute to our campaigns and vote for us! we're fighting to repeal Obamacare! Fighting! look at us fight! grr!" and then go back to work and collect PAC checks and behind closed doors call us stupid rubes.

I think there's a certain panic in the air that when Trump says build a wall he means actually building a wall.

Posted by: Brewdog at August 14, 2015 03:04 PM (F+bI6)

451 Butthurt Friday is going swimmingly.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 14, 2015 03:05 PM (Yrjee)

452 When Trump is out, who's going to be the next GOPe target?

Posted by: Adrienne at August 14, 2015 03:03 PM


Never fear, they'll find one.

In the end, we'll all unite for Jeb! and everyone -- possibly including Ace -- will tell us over and over why it's better to support him than let the Democrats win again.

As if there would be a difference.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 14, 2015 03:05 PM (0atQl)

453 What I'm seeing being signaled by Trump's ascendance: While likely not permanent at this point, there is a rising nationalist/nativist bloc of politically-interested, if not involved, people.

That, I think, is not racist but more hearkens to the European right than the American right. If you look towards, say, France and its rightwing you'll see a party that is not anywhere close to 'conservative' as we know it.

If you examine that nationalist/nativist style of rightwing thought, you'll see a lot to agree and disagree with, mostly the latter from our point of view.

The answer to that is not how the Establishment is playing it currently. To do so is risking losing them to the much-uglier American version of the same.

YMMV, IMHO and etc.

Posted by: Bigby's 3 Finger Salute at August 14, 2015 03:05 PM (3ZtZW)

454 My advise: Buy guns and a lot of ammo

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Now I don't know, but I been told it's hard to run with the weight of gold,
Other hand I have heard it said, it's just as hard with the weight of lead.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 14, 2015 03:05 PM (XUKZU)

455 Sounds like the right thing to say.

Yes, especially since she also supports school choice. At least a few of the big debates in this country (vaccinations, religion in schools) are only debates because we have a monolithic school system, where most parents have no real choice about where their kid goes during the day. Of course you want universal vaccination. And of course the people who don't want their kids vaccinated want to make that the law.

Let people choose to send their kid to a vaccination-required school or not, and the debate goes away. Let people choose to send their kid to a religious-free school or not, and the debate goes away.

Yes, there will always be people who want to impose their will on the rest of the nation. But once it doesn't matter to their children, most people will nod their heads and forget about it.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 14, 2015 03:05 PM (2lndx)

456 "My advise: Buy guns and a lot of ammo and as a fall back plan buy a lot of KY Jelly"
Already up on the first two...I'll eat a bullet before the last one is needed.
Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at August 14, 2015 02:59 PM (jtStN)

It's more effective if you discharge it from a firearm.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 14, 2015 03:05 PM (2Ojst)

457 What is he up to?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette

If'n you haven't figured out that Trump is all about the Trump, you aren't paying attention.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2015 02:44 PM (ZCFje)


heh. Now you just sound like Trump. You didn't answer the question.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 03:05 PM (qCMvj)

458 If you believe Trump's words simply because he's fighting the MSM, it makes sense to also take Fiorina at face value. She is doing a very good job of fighting the MSM.

If you discount Fiorina's words because they're just words, you kind of have to discount Trump's as well. Neither of them have a legislative record.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 14, 2015 03:00 PM (2lndx)

___________

I believe Trump - more or less - because he's not a professional politician. Carly has sort of morphed into one. She will tell everyone what they want to hear...to the NRA it's no to AWB. And just wait until she's interviewed by Mother Jones or she appears on The View...I can guarantee you her "no AWB" will morph into "we have to tackle gun violence by implementing multiple solutions and look at all options". I don't trust her to tell me the sky is blue.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 03:05 PM (0LHZx)

459 I have to say that if it came down to Trump or Jeb, I'm voting Jeb. At least Jeb has a platform to run on and Trump is just Mystery Grab Bag guy of loony stuff.

My fav's are still Walker, Fiorina, Rubio, in that order.

Posted by: hmitchell3rd at August 14, 2015 03:06 PM (3YCXd)

460 ***"I'm a bit unsure how to discuss it, because the points Cooke makes -- are simply deemed to not matter, for reasons that are never fully articulated."***


I'm fairly certain I see these reasons articulated quite frequently on every Trump and nonTrump thread.


Did I just wander into an alternate AoSHQ by accident?


You know, one way to get the civility you apparently crave is to stop calling different opinions dumb just because they're contrary or to ignore arguments completely. That's pretty much as much a guarantor that people will start yelling as much as any outright insults or tribal chest beating.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 14, 2015 03:06 PM (xSCb6)

461 >>>>fully expect Charles C. W. Cooke to be branded a foreign faggit

Updated; creative misspellings and all.

Posted by: AOS Style Guide at August 14, 2015 03:06 PM (AkOaV)

462
Hey seriously, can we get some kind of informal poll going.

It's real simple.

If you got to hand pick the nominee but your only choice was either Jeb or Trump, who would you choose?

Me: Trump.

Okay, if you got to hand pick the nominee but your only choice was either Jindal or Trump, who would you choose?

Me: Jindal.

Okay, if you got to hand pick the nominee but your only choice was either TED CRUZ or Trump, who would you choose?

Me: Cruz.

Okay, if you got to hand pick the nominee and your only choice was either Carly Fiorina or Trump, who would you choose?

Me: Fiorina.










Posted by: _Dave_ at August 14, 2015 03:07 PM (l2dSQ)

463 >>> Butthurt Friday is going swimmingly.

Multiple Trump posts = the equivalent of a Drudgetaposition?

Posted by: LizLem at August 14, 2015 03:07 PM (hvf9s)

464 I have never seen a coblogger even say something *positive* about Jeb. I can't recall a *commenter* even saying something positive.

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He doesn't sweat much for a fat guy.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 14, 2015 03:07 PM (XUKZU)

465 "was handed over to Kurdish authorities instead of being extradited to the U.S. for trial."

I think that will end the way we all want it to. Muwhahahaha!

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at August 14, 2015 03:07 PM (jtStN)

466 " Who here didn't think the fix was in for Jeb?"

Last I check the man regularly polled under 20%, if not lower. It's not like he was the breakaway leader before Trump got in. I mean Romney had supporters even on sites like this, Red State, etc. Bush has almost no support at all outside of the core of GOP money men, and as important as you think those guys are, Bush was not going anywhere.

Again, the man to fear is Kasich, not Bush.

Posted by: Paul at August 14, 2015 03:07 PM (P1jJI)

467 449 Jeepers, with Bush we get more Boehner/McConnell surrender to the NYTs. With Trump we get to fight and have fun. How is this a hard choice?
Posted by: Hank, Your Friend in Congress at August 14, 2015 03:04 PM (oDCMR)

_____________

Bbbbbut iin 1986 Trump said he liked Russian caviar, which means he's a communist.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 03:07 PM (0LHZx)

468 >>>Ace, the electorate on both sides are openly furious and less concerned with reason than their honest antipathy to the status quo.

sure... I think most people (including me) aren't terribly concerned with reason, at least not as much as we think, and tend to act on gut instinct, with reason just rationalizing choices post facto.

in that way I don't think the trump people are particularly strange.

However, this is a particularly extreme case of Reason being at odds with Emotion/Gut.

And it's fine if people want to say "I'm going with my gut," but please stop with the nonsense that people are "distorting" trump's positions and "lying" about them by quoting them.

I.e., stop pretending this is about his stated positions, which change daily, and have been all over the map, mostly on the liberal side, until conservatives tell him "That's a very liberal position" then he changes it and says "I'm totes against Planned Parenthood."

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:07 PM (dciA+)

469 You know what I would like to see from the candidates that they never do? Name the people they would bring in ifthey were elected. Who are the people that they would surround themselves with? Being President is one thing. Who you have to carry out orders is another.

Posted by: Bosk at August 14, 2015 03:07 PM (n2K+4)

470 Bbbbbut iin 1986 Trump said he liked Russian caviar, which means he's a communist.

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Nailed it.

Posted by: SH at August 14, 2015 03:08 PM (gmeXX)

471 Good essay, Ace; Thanks.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 14, 2015 03:08 PM (OSs/l)

472 If you are of the mind that Jeb, Kasich, Graham, Rubio or the rest of the GOPe is less likely to sell me out than Trump--you are more guilty of ignoring the past than the Trump supporters.

Oh, my God, they are much less likely to sell you out. Hell, people who go into business with Trump get sold out all the time. Why do you think he cares about you?

At all?

Posted by: AmishDude at August 14, 2015 03:08 PM (b65cm)

473 When Trump is out, who's going to be the next GOPe target?

Posted by: Adrienne


Cruz. Paul's lost in his own head.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2015 03:08 PM (ZCFje)

474 It would be helpful if the Trumpkins could maybe hand out a guidebook to steer us through the heavy mass of contradictions that constantly spew forth from your keyboards, because frankly it's dizzying.

Posted by: Paul at August 14, 2015 02:59 PM (P1jJI)


Trump has insulted the GOPers and laughs in the face of criticism and outrage. He is the catharsis that many have sought.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Free Shipping for Atrocities, Monstrosities, and Barbarisms at the Outrage Outlet! at August 14, 2015 03:08 PM (hLRSq)

475 Forgot Rubio. Great personal story. Smart guy. No convictions on the cultural aspect because he does not want to spend any capital in the political realm. The one place he seems to have taken a position is with amnesty. That position overwhelms him on areas one and two where he really has nothing in particular to recommend him.

Posted by: ObjectionSustained at August 14, 2015 03:08 PM (WAGLQ)

476 I really don't understand why this is so hard for so many supposedly smart people to understand.

Trump = a big fat F.U. to what's wrong with the process of electing a President, ESPECIALLY the Republican Party's process.

Anyone who cannot understand that is probably part of the problem.

Sorry, if the foo shits, as they say, wear it.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2015 03:08 PM (TOk1P)

477 Did I just wander into an alternate AoSHQ by accident?


You know, one way to get the civility you apparently crave is to stop calling different opinions dumb just because they're contrary or to ignore arguments completely. That's pretty much as much a guarantor that people will start yelling as much as any outright insults or tribal chest beating.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 14, 2015 03:06 PM (xSCb6)

You're a fucking idiot for thinking that.
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j/k Just trying to keep things consistent!

Posted by: Insomniac at August 14, 2015 03:09 PM (2Ojst)

478 They would not say this of any other candidate -- in fact, they disqualify candidates on those sorts of grounds (usually for far smaller heresies).
Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 02:59 PM


Trump is also the blank screen upon which his supporters can project whatever they want...

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Free Shipping for Atrocities, Monstrosities, and Barbarisms at the Outrage Outlet! at August 14, 2015 03:09 PM (hLRSq)

479
"
It's more effective if you discharge it from a firearm."
But they're so chewey this way!

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at August 14, 2015 03:09 PM (jtStN)

480 354
And George Will trotted out the hoary old example of sainted William F. Buckley excommunicating the John Birchers. Goddamn, it always comes back to that, doesn't it.

Posted by: Brewdog at August 14, 2015 02:49 PM (F+bI6)



Which is a particularly bad example, since the "lunatic fringe" Birchers turned out to be mostly correct about the extent of Communist infiltration.

Posted by: rickl at August 14, 2015 03:10 PM (zoehZ)

481 ***"So the fact that someone is not a career politician is now a strike against them. Thanks for the update!"***


Getting a bit sick of that argument myself. I see lots of career politicians on the GOP side making JV mistakes all the time and yet they keep getting a pass.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 14, 2015 03:10 PM (xSCb6)

482 It's August, the slowest month of the news cycle.

The media hypes Trump because there's nothing going on in Washington, and because he is a convenient distraction from the failed and unpopular policies of their little mahogany godling.


In other words, Trump is shark attacks. Those were all over the news in August of 2001.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 14, 2015 03:10 PM (S+N7W)

483 You know, one way to get the civility you apparently crave is to stop
calling different opinions dumb just because they're contrary or to
ignore arguments completely.




Come on. There is no consistency in Thunderdome! : )


Posted by: some random meathead at August 14, 2015 03:10 PM (Yrjee)

484 It would be helpful if the Trumpkins could maybe hand out a guidebook to
steer us through the heavy mass of contradictions that constantly spew
forth from your keyboards, because frankly it's dizzying.



Posted by: Paul at August 14, 2015 02:59 PM (P1jJI)



Only two keys on the keyboard are necessary, chum.


F. and U.


Does that help you understand?


Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2015 03:10 PM (TOk1P)

485 Posted by: _Dave_ at August 14, 2015 03:07 PM (l2dSQ)


My answer would just be to copy+paste what you just wrote.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 14, 2015 03:11 PM (xSCb6)

486 > 453 What I'm seeing being signaled by Trump's ascendance: While likely not permanent at this point, there is a rising nationalist/nativist bloc of politically-interested, if not involved, people

Is it "nationalist" or "nativist" to want to have a national border that is actually a national border?

Is it "nationalist" or "nativist" to think that the United States is a legitimate state and therefore should have control over its own borders -- control in fact, not just in vague notion? Actual control not just nominal control?

Is it "nationalist" or "nativist" to simply want the laws to be enforced. Even-handedly, without prejudice, but enforced?

Ugh. I'm so tired of being called a bigot just because I think the country ought to be in control of its own border.

Posted by: Brewdog at August 14, 2015 03:11 PM (F+bI6)

487 So: Why is the choice only Jeb or Trump, HUCK/AKIN? Why don't you support Ted Cruz?

Because he's a lying liar?
Posted by: Pastafarian at August 14, 2015 03:01 PM (LqrRo)

__________

Because Ted Cruz has no chance of winning. Of the 17 candidates (is it 17? hard to keep track) there are 2 or 3 viable candidates....Jeb, Walker, Trump and maybe longshot Rubio.

So when you say well what about Cruz, it's like sayig well how about if I win $100M tomorrow....sure theoretically it can happen, but it's a pretty safe bet it's not going to happen.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 03:11 PM (0LHZx)

488 Also, ace et al -- I have seen this totally unexplainable head scratcher that is Donald Trump be explained in articles, comments here, by Rush Limbaugh, and, well, really all over the internet.

The "I'm going to be pretend their reason is so stupid, that I can't comprehend it, and it's just mystifying" shtick is getting old.

I don't love that Trumps the messenger here, either. But to pretend the last 5 years hasn't happened and that it's just "politics as usual" now that we're approaching election season is... you're smarter than that, ace.

But clearly the GOP and most of the candidates aren't smarter than that. They're playing the same bullshit games they always play, the MSM is playing their role, and the right-leaning blogs are getting in on the action too.

I can't speak for everyone, but that's what annoys me. I'm being spoken to like I'm an idiot by people who I suspect really aren't smarter and more knowledgeable than I am, and a bunch of hanger on's are jumping on to parrot their speech.

And it's all kind of dumb, to be honest

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 14, 2015 03:11 PM (AkOaV)

489


Hit dog hollers.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 14, 2015 03:11 PM (Yrjee)

490 I believe Trump - more or less - because he's not a professional politician. Carly has sort of morphed into one. She will tell everyone what they want to hear...to the NRA it's no to AWB.

Alanis Morissette, call your office.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 14, 2015 03:11 PM (b65cm)

491 I generally like Ann Coulter. She gives a lot better than she gets in most of these arguments. I didn't watch this one because I am at work. But she is crap at picking/supporting presidential candidates.

Posted by: Sambo at August 14, 2015 03:11 PM (9UV3C)

492 >>>If you got to hand pick the nominee but your only choice was either Jeb or Trump, who would you choose?

Me: Trump.

Okay, if you got to hand pick the nominee but your only choice was either Jindal or Trump, who would you choose?

Me: Jindal.

Okay, if you got to hand pick the nominee but your only choice was either TED CRUZ or Trump, who would you choose?

Me: Cruz.

Okay, if you got to hand pick the nominee and your only choice was either Carly Fiorina or Trump, who would you choose?

Me: Fiorina.


....

i agree with all of that EXCEPT for two things:

When it comes to actual electability, if Trump looks as much of a general loser as he does now (which could change -- Trump may have an unexpected upside), in that case, rather than giving the WH to hillary or bernie or Gore, I'd vote Jeb.

So yeah, end of the day, I'd vote for jeb.

But not because I hate Trump so much. If it were down to Jeb and Trump, and Trump *appeared about as strong as Jeb*, I could wind up supporting Trump.

To me, the question comes down to something unknowable: Will trump actually pull in a lot of disaffected voters, LIVs, Reality TV dummies, etc? If it looked like he would, and also looked like he wouldn't alienate more people than he attracts, I could support him over Jeb (or anyone else).

But I gotta tell you, trump strikes me as a clownish figure who many people will simply not vote for because voting for him makes them feel low-class and shameful.

Now, if I'm wrong about that, and I will look at the polls -- then I coudl support him, on a similar theory pushed by the Trump supporters, namely, why not, and why not shake up the system?

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:11 PM (dciA+)

493

Bbbbbut iin 1986 Trump said he liked Russian caviar, which means he's a communist.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 03:07 PM (0LHZx)

Well since he indicated that the economy works better under the Democrats than it does the Republicans your sarcasm has a tinge of truth.

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 14, 2015 03:11 PM (cJswI)

494 heh. Now you just sound like Trump. You didn't answer the question.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette


The answer was there; he's the melanin-challenged Obama.

Money, attention, and whatever power results. That's what he's 'about.'

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2015 03:12 PM (ZCFje)

495 > Which is a particularly bad example, since the "lunatic fringe" Birchers turned out to be mostly correct about the extent of Communist infiltration.

And I think part of it is that they know that there's only one person would could possibly "excommunicate" Donald Trump, and that's Rush Limbaugh. And he won't do it.

Posted by: Brewdog at August 14, 2015 03:12 PM (F+bI6)

496 Ace or someone needs to address Sharon Stone pic on Drudge:

http://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/features/a11741/sharon-stone-nude-0915/

My first impression was, "whoa, nice!" Second later was, "hmmm, photoshopping here?"

Posted by: hmitchell3rd at August 14, 2015 03:12 PM (3YCXd)

497 "He doesn't sweat much for a fat guy."

Could you please turn up the AC. Thanks.

Posted by: Chris Christie at August 14, 2015 03:12 PM (OD2ni)

498
Pinging out to BurtTC @ comment # 476:


YOU NAILED IT.



Posted by: _Dave_ at August 14, 2015 03:12 PM (l2dSQ)

499 There are no hills left to die on, Ace.

Trump mouths off to the media and GOPe and he's a fucking hero to these same morons who would in the past cite a vote on a minor bill 20 years by one or another candidate that totally disqualifies him from running for President.

Scratching head indeed...

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 14, 2015 03:13 PM (so+oy)

500 And it's all kind of dumb, to be honest
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 14, 2015 03:11 PM (AkOaV)

And yet, here you are.

Not judging though. I generally agree with you and here I am too.

Posted by: Sambo at August 14, 2015 03:13 PM (9UV3C)

501 I'm just a Hessian with no aggression.

Posted by: eleven at August 14, 2015 03:13 PM (IPzoI)

502 Is Coulter no longer infatuated with Christie? I guess I have been out of it.

Posted by: Benji Carver at August 14, 2015 03:13 PM (OD2ni)

503 Because Ted Cruz has no chance of winning. Of the 17 candidates (is it 17? hard to keep track) there are 2 or 3 viable candidates....Jeb, Walker, Trump and maybe longshot Rubio.


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You can believe what you want to believe - that's fine. But I find the idea that Trump has a better chance to win than Cruz laughable. But in the end I don't really know. For all I know Trump will win. I'll just vote for who I like best. Don't know who.

Posted by: SH at August 14, 2015 03:14 PM (gmeXX)

504 "Napoleon was once beloved by the French enlightenment figures. They called his form of rule "enlightened despotism".

Like Mussolini, like Obama, his supporters believed he was capable and desirous of doing all manner of good things.

It didn't quite work out that way."

Oddly, it did, until the Russian winter broke the French army and the British stepped in to reimpose the monarchy.

Mind you Napoleon was made Emperor twice, once after he ended the Reign of Terror and restored some semblance of order, and again when he escaped prison and overthrew the Brit-imposed restoration of the monarch.

The people loved him and were very grateful both times. That's how he managed to do it the 2nd time, he was the hero of the people and the man who made good on the promise of the revolution.

The French loved Napoleon. It was foreigners that sunk him. Granted, he did egg them on by invading all of them. But then again, he almost won and made the whole world speak French too.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at August 14, 2015 03:14 PM (TULs6)

505 i get that, but as I said, that's why I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone, where so many of the formerly True Conservative Stalwarts are telling me it doesn't matter if a candidate has been pro gun control, pro abortion, pro amnesty, and pro Hillary Clinton.

They would not say this of any other candidate -- in fact, they disqualify candidates on those sorts of grounds (usually for far smaller heresies).
Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 02:59 PM (dciA+)


it's a hard on for alpha

the left wanted a "girl," they got one

the right wants a "man" (not a bi: jeb!)

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 03:14 PM (qCMvj)

506 >>>You know, one way to get the civility you apparently crave is to stop
calling different opinions dumb just because they're contrary or to
ignore arguments completely.

oh so i'm totes sure you'll be able to quote me saying "this position is dumb"

So go ahead, Burn the Witch, and Insomniac -- post that quote

Oh let me guess -- you're Taking Offense, as usual, not because someone actually insulted you, but because you, as usual, hallucinated an insult out of someone merely disagreeing with you, like an SJW.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:14 PM (dciA+)

507 Every day on so-called conservative blogs/websites we read about how so-and-so senator has been in office for 40 years and holy fuck that's crazy and it's time to go since he's so entrenched in DC politics.

So here comes Trump who has never held any office. And what is the #1 knock on him by the same people....he doesn't have enough experience.

I don't want any experience. Experience means you've been in the cesspool of DC and are either corrupt or...no there is no or....you are corrupt.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 03:15 PM (0LHZx)

508 I thought Trump leading the polls would be funnier than this.

Posted by: eleven at August 14, 2015 03:15 PM (IPzoI)

509 Oh let me guess -- you're Taking Offense, as usual, not because someone actually insulted you, but because you, as usual, hallucinated an insult out of someone merely disagreeing with you, like an SJW.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:14 PM (dciA+)

The hell are you talking about?

Posted by: Insomniac at August 14, 2015 03:15 PM (2Ojst)

510 407 The Alabama police officer who went viral after he was pistol whipped with his own gun last week said he didnt shoot his attacker because he didnt want to make headlines as the nations newest vilified cop.

NGU, I predicted that was the reason he let the guy get so close in a comment a few days ago. He couldn't risk shooting an unarmed black man no matter what, so he wound up nearly getting killed because of that.

But I'm glad he has come straight out and said it. Now, what are the cops going to do about it? Keep taking beatings?

I hope not.

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 14, 2015 03:15 PM (gyKtp)

511 Ace doesn't like Trump, I get that.


He also didn't like Cruz in the past.


But I can see that TDS is real and spreading for some reason when I am told to go fuck myself for accurately pointing out the Trump campaign's position on Planned Parenthood.


Which was put out to clarify Trump's statements giving those interviews.


You can read Trump's actual, stated, officially released position on Planned Parenthood in post 198.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 14, 2015 03:16 PM (q5APL)

512 Trump said he liked Russian caviar, which means he's a communist

Actually, that's a pretty good signifier.

Posted by: Frasier Crane at August 14, 2015 03:16 PM (2lndx)

513
Trump mouths off to the media and GOPe and he's a fucking hero to these same morons

#civility

Posted by: some random meathead at August 14, 2015 03:16 PM (Yrjee)

514 Hell, people who go into business with Trump get sold out all the time.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 14, 2015 03:08 PM (b65cm)


This, big time. Trumpers are so enamored with the idea of giving the finger to the establishment, they worship a man who stiffs his creditors. 95% of businessmen don't.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 14, 2015 03:16 PM (laMCB)

515 Oh, my God, they are much less likely to sell you out. Hell, people who go into business with Trump get sold out all the time. Why do you think he cares about you?

At all?
Posted by: AmishDude at August 14, 2015 03:08 PM (b65cm)


Because Trump will do what's best for Trump, just like Cruz will do whats best for Cruz, and like Rubio will do what's best for Rubio, etc. etc.

And Trump's "best for trumps" are less likely to involve taking more of my money to give to cronies quite as often as the people who owe cronies and donors $1 billion or whatever for their campaign, air time, consultants, endorsements, etc. etc. etc.

At least in my estimation. Could be wrong. It's really a crap shoot.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 14, 2015 03:17 PM (AkOaV)

516 oh so i'm totes sure you'll be able to quote me saying "this position is dumb"

Posted by: ace


*hits up google search*

*refrains from further comments*

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2015 03:17 PM (ZCFje)

517 i keep saying your disqualification of candidates for positional heresies, and giving a pass to trump for much greater heresies, is *inconsistent*.

It is.

But, do go on with the Taking Offense "Then I Shall Flounce Myself Away" game.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:17 PM (dciA+)

518 315 I noted that just about all the comics were bashing Trump, and I thought, "Isn't this great, the guy starts up again and it's all Republican bashing. Isn't one Doonesbury much more than enough?"

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at August 14, 2015 02:42 PM (DLu2s)


The final months of the original Bloom County run had Trump's brain installed inside of Bill the Cat's skull. So, Breathed's animus toward teh Donald isn't new. I've got all of the BC and Outland books, but I haven't read the new strips nor did I read "Opus" during its run.

Posted by: Big McLargehuge Mk I at August 14, 2015 03:17 PM (u9OP6)

519 Consider: If it were a dead heat between Ted Cruz and Trump: there would be virtually no Trump supporters here.
And the few remaining supporters would be so swamped by opposing comments that they would be embarrassingly irrelevant.

I think that's 100% accurate.
Posted by: Brewdog at August 14, 2015 03:00 PM (F+bI6)


Yep, many see Trump as a side show.

Problem is, he's getting support elsewhere.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 03:17 PM (qCMvj)

520 So glad the sage of the cow pasture has decreed the only viable candidates so us idiots don't have to support anyone but them. Pardon me while I scratch my balls

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2015 03:17 PM (DUoqb)

521 Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:11 PM (dciA+)


So basically you can't even stay consistent with your hysterics about joining the Donks.


And you're scolding everyone else on logic and emotion?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 14, 2015 03:17 PM (xSCb6)

522
Pinging back @ Ace's comment # 492:
Fair points you make.

At least you understand where many of us Trump "supporters" are coming from.

For my part, I would definitely vote for Trump in the general election. But I might not vote for Jeb Bush.

By the way, I maintain that any of:
Ted Cruz, Bobby Jindal, and Carly Fiorina would get us out of this mess.



Posted by: _Dave_ at August 14, 2015 03:18 PM (l2dSQ)

523 He also didn't like Cruz in the past.

I think perhaps Trump has moved the Overton Window on that score.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 14, 2015 03:18 PM (2lndx)

524 Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at August 14, 2015 03:14 PM (TULs6)


Do you know who else had the citizens wary of him that changed to love after he made land gains without firing a shot?

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 14, 2015 03:18 PM (cJswI)

525 Why does every Republican nomination cycle end in a puddle of trembling fail known as Dole/Bush/McCain/Romney/Bush? Why can't we have nice things in PubbieTown?

Posted by: Hank, Your Friend in Congress at August 14, 2015 03:18 PM (oDCMR)

526 Ace, your wonderful site offers reflection to a broad spectrum of political understandings...some are at arms-length from our anger, others are filled with unrequited rage. Trump fills a void for some that are at the end their patience and wits regarding the status quo...I do not agree with this choice for a representative voice but certainly understand their motive.

Posted by: nosworthy at August 14, 2015 03:18 PM (lhnFV)

527 Cooke is a la la land libertarian like this blog, who cares.

Posted by: W at August 14, 2015 03:18 PM (WDDpf)

528 >>>The hell are you talking about?

i'm talking about Burn the Witch's Taking Offense hallucination that I dismissed Trump arguments as "dumb" and therefore was hypocritical in asking for greater civiiltiyh.

waiting for a quotation on that

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:18 PM (dciA+)

529 Is Coulter no longer infatuated with Christie? I guess I have been out of it.
Posted by: Benji Carver
.............
A compliment from Trump would sell more books for her at this point... She's a book whore first and foremost.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 14, 2015 03:18 PM (so+oy)

530 He also didn't like Cruz in the past.

I think perhaps Trump has moved the Overton Window on that score.

------------

That's what I'm counting on.

Posted by: Ted Cruz at August 14, 2015 03:18 PM (gmeXX)

531 "Trump said he liked Russian caviar"

Imploded. Finito. Settled science on that bitch right there.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at August 14, 2015 03:18 PM (TULs6)

532 This, big time. Trumpers are so enamored with the idea of giving the finger to the establishment, they worship a man who stiffs his creditors. 95% of businessmen don't.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 14, 2015 03:16 PM (laMCB)

he and his financiers took some haircuts in real estate.

Just like everyone whose house was foreclosed on.

Or GM and Chrysler.

Or every airline you've ever flown on.

Or a large number of companies you see / interact with on a daily basis.

Am I really supposed to get worked up over that? That's business. I know plenty of businesses who have had to go bankrupt and go out of business for whatever reason.

That in itself is a much better life lesson then the life lessons the average pol's have.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 14, 2015 03:19 PM (AkOaV)

533 Posted by: _Dave_ at August 14, 2015 03:07 PM (l2dSQ)

Your suggestion is good. I wonder if we could get a double elimination bracket going (CAC?) and do a head-to-head. The losers on the right would go to the consolation bracket for VP choice. Set up the brackets in four flights like NCAA regionals based on current polling.

Anybody?

Posted by: ObjectionSustained at August 14, 2015 03:19 PM (WAGLQ)

534 i'm talking about Burn the Witch's Taking Offense hallucination that I dismissed Trump arguments as "dumb" and therefore was hypocritical in asking for greater civiiltiyh.

waiting for a quotation on that
Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:18 PM (dciA+)

Yeah, but you also addressed it at me.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 14, 2015 03:19 PM (2Ojst)

535 Posted by: AmishDude at August 14, 2015 03:11 PM (b65cm)


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 14, 2015 03:19 PM (Zu3d9)

536 >>>So basically you can't even stay consistent with your hysterics about joining the Donks.


And you're scolding everyone else on logic and emotion?


...

oh you're changing the subject after being challenged on a false claim

totally didn't see that one coming

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:19 PM (dciA+)

537 Also Canada/UK are not socialist, learn what words mean.

Posted by: W at August 14, 2015 03:19 PM (WDDpf)

538 So I suggested a Flame War this weekend and the crafty Ewok decides just to let the Trump start it. Well played sir.




That's why we call him The Prophet Ace, blessed be his hairy back.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 14, 2015 03:20 PM (0FSuD)

539 >>>Yeah, but you also addressed it at me.

i'm sorry, didn't you quote him in your own post? If not i'm sorry -- i thought it was you.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:20 PM (dciA+)

540 "So glad the sage of the cow pasture has decreed the only viable candidates so us idiots don't have to support anyone but them. Pardon me while I scratch my balls."

I have a solid gold ball scratcher for that activity.

Posted by: Mr. Doo Doo at August 14, 2015 03:20 PM (OD2ni)

541 Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the Valley of Death
Rode the six hundred:
Forward, the Trump Brigade!
Charge for the RINOs, he said
Into the Valley of Death
Rode the six hundred


Forward, the Trump Brigade!
Was there a man dismay'd?
Not tho the commentor knew
Some one had blunder'd
Theirs not to make reply
Theirs not to reason why
Theirs but to do and die
Into the Valley of Death
Rode the six hundred

RINOs to the right of them
RINOs to the left of them
RINOs in front of them
Volley'd and thunder'd
Storm'd at with shot and shell
Boldly they commented and well
Into the jaws of Death
Into the mouth of Hell
Rode the six hundred

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 14, 2015 03:20 PM (JO9+V)

542 Ace said Trump is anti-vax.


Here is what he said in an interview on this subject 2/25/15:

Trump said that while he is a "total believer" in vaccines "what I don't like seeing is that 20 pound little baby going in and having this one massive inoculation with all of these things combined. I'd like it spread over, because look, our autism rate is at a level that it's never been. Nobody's ever, you know, in the old days, you didn't even hear about autism, and now it's at a level that's so high, especially in boys, but so high that nobody can even believe it. What I'm saying is 100% I want to see it happen. I want everybody, but it should be spread over. Smaller doses over a longer period of time. So spread it out over a year. There's no harm in that, and I believe autism will go way down."



On Hugh Hewitt, reported in Breitbart in February.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 14, 2015 03:20 PM (q5APL)

543 539 >>>Yeah, but you also addressed it at me.

i'm sorry, didn't you quote him in your own post? If not i'm sorry -- i thought it was you.
Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:20 PM (dciA+)

I was playing off his comment for a laugh. I have no dog in the Trump fight.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 14, 2015 03:21 PM (2Ojst)

544 "F. and U.


Does that help you understand? "

Yes, I get it - Trumpkins are the right-wing version of Islamic rage boy.

Posted by: Paul at August 14, 2015 03:21 PM (P1jJI)

545 Trump will literally win both the anti-vax and the pro-vax vote.


Everyone have a good weekend.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 14, 2015 03:21 PM (q5APL)

546 My general opinion of The Donald is he's just another rich asshole that got his monew from his father and left investors in the lurch when he filed his bankruptcies.

Posted by: Hank at August 14, 2015 03:21 PM (qtcdB)

547 well insomniac I took your "You're an f***ing idiot for thinking that" to be a joking agreement with BTW; was that not the intent?

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:21 PM (dciA+)

548 I like Trump, as an entertainer. He's said way too much crazy shit over the years to get elected, unless the media has changed and plans to give the republican nominee a pass.

Posted by: Dr Spank at August 14, 2015 03:21 PM (PaQIn)

549 Hmm, let's unpack this. A candidate with zero experience in government insists he's an outside, but he's very vague about his agenda (to the point of seeming like he doesn't have one at all), flip-flops whenever it's convenient, has extremely thin skin, and is noted for having supported some very liberal positions in the past.

Hmm, why does that sound so familiar? Almost seems reminiscent of a previous presidential election involving a one-term Senator from Illinois. Gee, how did that work out again for the country? Oh, right, rampant failure left and right. Oh, but I'm sure electing a RINO like Trump will solve everything.

Posted by: tops116 at August 14, 2015 03:22 PM (Wn+fE)

550 547 well insomniac I took your "You're an f***ing idiot for thinking that" to be a joking agreement with BTW; was that not the intent?

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:21 PM (dciA+)

No, I was just playing it for a laugh.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 14, 2015 03:22 PM (2Ojst)

551 That's what I'm counting on.

Posted by: Ted Cruz


Oh, hey, while your here...

Any chance you could stop with the BrylCreaem thing. Mebbe get a hair cut. You know, from someone who wasn't born in nineteen-twicktey three?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2015 03:22 PM (ZCFje)

552 >>I was playing off his comment for a laugh. I have no dog in the Trump fight.


oh okay, apologies for misreading your intent, I retract and apologize.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:22 PM (dciA+)

553 "Do you know who else had the citizens wary of him that changed to love after he made land gains without firing a shot? "

Someone who, likewise, would be regarded as a founding figure and hero had he watched the Princess Bride and not made the oldest mistake in Russian military history?

The French got what they wanted from Napoleon, is my point. They did. It was the British who put the kibosh on it, it wasn't any French regret.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at August 14, 2015 03:22 PM (TULs6)

554 *taunts happy fun ball*

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 14, 2015 03:22 PM (oFCZn)

555 Trump will literally win both the anti-vax and the pro-vax vote.


Everyone have a good weekend.


-----

What if Trump's whole plan is to come out with his own vaccinnes - Trump the Vaccinne?

Posted by: SH at August 14, 2015 03:22 PM (gmeXX)

556 552 >>I was playing off his comment for a laugh. I have no dog in the Trump fight.


oh okay, apologies for misreading your intent, I retract and apologize.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:22 PM (dciA+)

No sweat.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 14, 2015 03:22 PM (2Ojst)

557 Because Trump will do what's best for Trump, just like Cruz will do whats best for Cruz, and like Rubio will do what's best for Rubio, etc. etc.

Bullshit. They have donors, supporters and a history of ideology. They have a record you can point to and say, "I have a good idea of how he will react to things."

But Trump, being a Tabula Rasa or Rara Avis gets a pass because he will simply do All Good Things and No Bad Things.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 14, 2015 03:22 PM (b65cm)

558 Did someone seriously just offer up "Trump is more electable than Ted Cruz" as a serious argument?

We're through the looking glass here people.

Posted by: Paul at August 14, 2015 03:22 PM (P1jJI)

559 As long as it's all Trump all the time, you might as well see this.

http://tinyurl.com/p2uapyk

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 14, 2015 03:22 PM (XUKZU)

560 I am waiting for Ace to drop out of this discussion thread because there is a 50/50 chance he is either making a sammich, or putting up a new post. I'm hoping for a new post.

Posted by: Sambo at August 14, 2015 03:23 PM (9UV3C)

561 I see bannings and an apology thread in our near future.

Posted by: Dr Spank at August 14, 2015 03:23 PM (PaQIn)

562 Oh my Trump made people lose money in his business dealings???!??!???

How awful.

Jeb has never done that. Well that's because Jeb has never actually run a business. He's a career politician/insier whose father was a career politician/insider.

I trust him to be 100% honest and upright in all his dealings.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 03:23 PM (0LHZx)

563 The French got what they wanted from Napoleon, is my point. They did. It was the British who put the kibosh on it, it wasn't any French regret.
-------------------------
Uhh, it was the Russians that put the Kibosh on.

Posted by: Hank, Your Friend in Congress at August 14, 2015 03:23 PM (oDCMR)

564 404 Guy Mohawk,

You get the gag, Trump is the Clinton ringer candidate....

Posted by: The Smiling Bandit@sven10077 at August 14, 2015 03:23 PM (UeP1Y)

565 I'm just disappointed this post mentions a "foreign feggit" and it isn't Milo Yiannopoulos.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 14, 2015 03:23 PM (S+N7W)

566 Any chance you could stop with the BrylCreaem thing. Mebbe get a hair cut. You know, from someone who wasn't born in nineteen-twicktey three?

------

The chicks dig it. And do you know who that would hurt the most. The people who work for BrylCream. People like my father who came over here with $20 and didn't speak a word of English.

Posted by: Ted Cruz at August 14, 2015 03:24 PM (gmeXX)

567 This is like the Twilight Zone episode where the aliens come down and get all the townspeople to fight and kill each other..

I say this was all planned by Hillary.. cuz she probably IS an alien.

Everyone needs to calm down, for cripes sakes.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 14, 2015 03:24 PM (so+oy)

568 ***"oh so i'm totes sure you'll be able to quote me saying "this position is dumb"


So go ahead, Burn the Witch, and Insomniac -- post that quote"***


Either yesterday or the day before. In a post or comments, can't remember which. Trying to search those keywords on this site? Too many hits to sort through.


***"Oh let me guess -- you're Taking Offense, as usual, not because someone actually insulted you, but because you, as usual, hallucinated an insult out of someone merely disagreeing with you, like an SJW."***


Guess again, boss. No offense taken. Just pointing out that you're ignoring the points you claim aren't being articulated. Sort of like you ignored that very part of the comment you chose to respond to which was in the most context of your post and picked the one you knew was more difficult to defend.


Ok, fine. I withdraw the "dumb" comment, but the other still stands. You've got day after day of comments section to sort through for that articulated argument that you claim doesn't exist.


Hell, I'm not even a Trump supporter, but I'll acknowledge that I know there's an argument there.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 14, 2015 03:24 PM (xSCb6)

569 Posted by: prescient11 at August 14, 2015 03:20 PM (q5APL)

Yes, and that response is still braindead stupid.

Posted by: Paul at August 14, 2015 03:24 PM (P1jJI)

570 What matters is that Trump will fight.

^^^^

Not exactly. Here's what's going on (I am not a trump supporter but my parents love him right now so I've got the insight on at least one set of typical GOP voters who are not LIV types):

1. Trump said something about **illegal** immigration in his initial announcement that! for good or ill, a lot of regular people very much agree with. I would venture to say he even discussed it in terms that most folks would use at the kitchen table.

2. Trump was immediately denounced for being a racist and having badthoughts by the regular GOP types, which implies anyone who agrees with him (a large part of the base, BTW) on this issue is also a racist with badthoughts.

3. The base, after decades of being told to fall in line, we'll get 'me next time, just vote GOP and it will all work out somehow, and then being promptly shat upon and told they need to pipe down and stop being crazy rubes once the Rs take their seats, is tired of it all and has finally had enough.

4. Trump gathers support as the ultimate F You candidate to the GOP. The more the GOP tries to push him out the stronger he will get (like Palpatine, I guess.....good lord, I'm a nerd) because this has nothing to do with policy but with being done with the traditional GOP.

That's it in a nutshell. And yes, it goes back to the discussions we've all been having over this past week or two about civility and such. Yes, the base has decided to be uncivil. But really, did the GOP really expect that this could go on forever? Did they really think that they could forever present themselves not as a great alternative but as the less awful one and people wouldn't have enough?

I have no idea where this goes. But it has been a very long time coming and, as I and ours on here have said over and over and over again, if they want to defuse the trump bomb they are going to need to get *serious* about actually advancing the conservative platform they've mouthed to the base for years to get elected.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at August 14, 2015 03:24 PM (KkVB6)

571 nood Trump






*kidding

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 14, 2015 03:25 PM (fWAjv)

572 I have never seen a coblogger even say something *positive* about Jeb. I can't recall a *commenter* even saying something positive.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 01:54 PM (dciA+)


I did say his head was shaped like a Trapezium.

Maths.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 03:25 PM (qCMvj)

573 One big difference between Trump and Jeb is donors. Jeb is bought and paid for by the $103M he has raised so far.

Trump has raised jack shit and doesn't need to raise all that money.

If nothing else, you at least know Trump will make decisions - right or wrong - based on what he thinks, not what he's told to do.

But then again in 1986 he did say he liked Russian caviar. So fuck him, Jeb it is.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 03:25 PM (0LHZx)

574 @542

So according to Trump there is some link between vaccines and autism?




The guy is a FVCKING NUT. REPEAT. NUT. Has he read ANYTHING about the subject and the retraction of the data that lead to these poor parents trying to cash in on their children's problem.


ANYTHING?


Off the ranch STUPID.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 14, 2015 03:26 PM (0FSuD)

575 So here comes Trump who has never held any office. And what is the #1 knock on him by the same people....he doesn't have enough experience.

Cincinnatus wasn't just some random douchebag with a hoe minding his garden.

"Not a professional politician" means that you've done something else, not just decided to waltz in and take over a bizarrely complex and ridiculous organization because you have will to power.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 14, 2015 03:26 PM (b65cm)

576 Paul,


That's fine if you think that, but he's not running to be doctor in chief. We'll leave that for Carson.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 14, 2015 03:26 PM (q5APL)

577 316 273 So being anti-vax is a bad thing?
Posted by: Actinide at August 14, 2015 02:35 PM (Pb6tP)

Uh, yeah, it is.

Do you take your science cues from Jenny McCarthy, Bobby Kennedy Jr. and Jim Carrey? Don't. They are left-wing idiots.

So politics determines good medicine? And fashion. I expect to be eviscerated for wearing Birkenstocks when the revolution comes.

Posted by: Actinide at August 14, 2015 03:26 PM (Pb6tP)

578 I don't think you really get it. Trump's popularity has nothing to do with his position on anything. It has to do with the fact that he is not politically correct and he will push back on the media. That's it.

Posted by: notsothoreau at August 14, 2015 03:26 PM (5HBd1)

579 But I gotta tell you, trump strikes me as a clownish figure who many people will simply not vote for because voting for him makes them feel low-class and shameful.


I will re-make a point from upthread.

If you watch Trump and disregard what he says he gives off a serious Mussolini vibe.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at August 14, 2015 03:26 PM (JtwS4)

580 But really, did the GOP really expect that this could go on forever? Did they really think that they could forever present themselves not as a great alternative but as the less awful one and people wouldn't have enough?


Yes, that's exactly what they thought and think still.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 14, 2015 03:27 PM (oFCZn)

581 28 March 2014:

Donald Trump's tweet:

@realDonaldTrump

Healthy young child goes to the doctor's gets pumped with massive shot of many vaccines, doesn't feel good and
changes -- AUTISM. Many such cases!


...

please do go on telling me how I'm lying and distorting what Trump said in the past, prescient11. It's fascinating.

oh i see what you mean by distorting and lying -- when I say Trump said something, and quote him accurately, you're saying it's a "distortion" to not instead quote his later cleaned-up-and-scrubbed comments, huh?

So when Jeb says that he didn't mean "Act of Love," it would be a distortion to quote that, too, without quoting his entire plan on amnesty?

Is that right, prescient11? Or does this rule only apply to MR. Trump?

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:27 PM (dciA+)

582 Nip Sip:


Ok. I don't really care to hear about his theories of the Big Bang either.


How about just build a wall. We know he can do that.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 14, 2015 03:27 PM (q5APL)

583 Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:18 PM (dciA+)


Yeah keep imputing that I have taken offense into my comments.


You've got this civility thing down.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 14, 2015 03:27 PM (xSCb6)

584 So glad the sage of the cow pasture has decreed the
only viable candidates so us idiots don't have to support anyone but
them. Pardon me while I scratch my balls

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2015 03:17 PM (DUoqb)


It is objectively true that at least some of the candidates who are currently claiming to be running for President have no chance of winning, and they know they have no chance of winning. It's usually possible to figure out which is which, fairly early, with very good accuracy.

I believe Cruz is a non-viable candidate.


Could I be wrong?

Sure, it's happened before. Not often, but it has happened.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2015 03:27 PM (TOk1P)

585 How awful.

Jeb has never done that. Well that's because Jeb has never actually run a business. He's a career politician/insier whose father was a career politician/insider.

I trust him to be 100% honest and upright in all his dealings.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016


Why do you insist that the GOP candidate is a choice between Trump and only Jerb?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2015 03:27 PM (ZCFje)

586 572
I have never seen a coblogger even say something *positive* about
Jeb. I can't recall a *commenter* even saying something positive.



Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 01:54 PM (dciA+)


Well, his wife is not THAT fat. Will that work?

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 14, 2015 03:27 PM (0FSuD)

587 Just fucking stop it. All you people that are claiming Trump now wants to fund PP obviously never watched that actual interview. NOT WHAT HE SAID. Don't try to pull a fucking Clinton and parse the words out of a longer specific statement with qualifiers like NO ABORTION.

You sound just like the fucktard Kelly osbourne claiming Trump wanted to throw all mexicans out of the US.

Like him or don't , I don't care but these fucking screaming fits of panic over it 15 months are God damned stupid.

It's not easy to make a huge ego'd billionaire a sympathetic character but somehow you managed to do it.

Just so you know, I support Cruz.

Posted by: brainpimp at August 14, 2015 03:27 PM (zosQc)

588 If you watch Trump and disregard what he says he gives off a serious Mussolini vibe.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at August 14, 2015 03:26 PM (JtwS4)

So does King Barry, just...swarthier.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 14, 2015 03:28 PM (2Ojst)

589 We're through the looking glass here people.

Posted by: Paul at August 14, 2015 03:22 PM (P1jJI)

Maybe if Trump ran as a Democrat in the general election?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 14, 2015 03:28 PM (Zu3d9)

590 To me, the question comes down to something unknowable: Will trump actually pull in a lot of disaffected voters, LIVs, Reality TV dummies, etc? If it looked like he would, and also looked like he wouldn't alienate more people than he attracts, I could support him over Jeb (or anyone else).

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:11 PM (dciA+)



This would be like Republicans taking over the "culture" for one small window of time. Election day.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 03:28 PM (qCMvj)

591 If the GOPe wants to dump Trump, they are going to have to get behind someone like Cruz or Walker, and agree to get serious about conservative policies.

Unfortunately I don't know exactly how you signal that you aren't lying this time...but perhaps a start is an announcement that Boehner and McConnell will both step down from their leadership roles.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 14, 2015 03:29 PM (78TbK)

592 Posted by: notsothoreau at August 14, 2015 03:26 PM (5HBd1)

Who are you addressing? Ace? I think he wrote that post. Believe me. That point has been made over and over and over. I don't know anyone who doesn't hold that opinion of what Trump's popularity is about, especially here at AOSHQ.

Posted by: Sambo at August 14, 2015 03:29 PM (9UV3C)

593 >>>He said nothing of the sort. He said that a collective insanity has gripped the conservative movement. Which is correct. Trump has proved time and again that he's not even close to being a conservative.

Disparaging Trump is a tactic that will backfire for the candidates. But conservatives should feel free to point out that the guy is a just a blowhard and is lying about his alleged conservatism.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 14, 2015 02:43 PM (laMCB)>>>

That's explicitly calling them insane; are you going to start arguing what "is" means? Give me a break. And I have no problem pointing out policy differences with Trump - but doing so misses the point of Trump i.e., nobody cares what SMOD's politics are - but calling people's whose votes you need insane, cultists, irrational, thin-skinned, etc. is not smart.

Posted by: gm at August 14, 2015 03:29 PM (ty+Et)

594 I did say his head was shaped like a Trapezium.

Maths.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette


You do know the penalty for bringing math onto the blog, don't you?

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2015 03:29 PM (UYkjZ)

595 I don't think you really get it. Trump's popularity has nothing to do with his position on anything. It has to do with the fact that he is not politically correct and he will push back on the media. That's it.

I thought that's what we all liked about him.

And now there's all this.

Posted by: eleven at August 14, 2015 03:30 PM (IPzoI)

596 But then again in 1986 he did say he liked Russian caviar. So fuck him, Jeb it is.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 03:25 PM (0LHZx)


You keep making this an either/or. I'm fairly certain the GOP establishment wants it this way...meaning all roads must lead to Jeb. They've worked hard to make it that way.

But, you know, there are some other people that showed up last week to run for president. Someone can always vote for one of them.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 14, 2015 03:30 PM (oFCZn)

597 Yes, I get it - Trumpkins are the right-wing version of Islamic rage boy.

Posted by: Paul at August 14, 2015 03:21 PM (P1jJI)


Right wing? No... it is very likely many of the folks saying F.U. to you and your kind are not right wing at all.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2015 03:30 PM (TOk1P)

598 594 I did say his head was shaped like a Trapezium.

Maths.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette


You do know the penalty for bringing math onto the blog, don't you?
Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2015 03:29 PM (UYkjZ)

I thought it was a single-celled organism.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 14, 2015 03:30 PM (2Ojst)

599 517
i keep saying your disqualification of candidates


I don't like Fiorina's Global Warming bullshit.

Therefore by the power invested to me by teh Internetz :

I DISQUALIFY THEE


WTF?



Posted by: some random meathead at August 14, 2015 03:30 PM (Yrjee)

600
Pinging out to Dr. Spank @ comment # 561:

Hey, let's not be to hasty in jumping to a banning. I haven't read anything that would justify so extreme a reaction. And to be sure, I've not started drinking... yet. (- Kidding.)


Posted by: _Dave_ at August 14, 2015 03:30 PM (l2dSQ)

601 i'm not the one going to the Bad Faith argument as my first move.

That's on the more aggressive Trump supporters.

And yeah, if you immediately make a discussion personal by accusing people of Bad Faith -- then yes you can inspect some less-than-respectful language in return.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:30 PM (dciA+)

602 Posted by: mynewhandle at August 14, 2015 03:19 PM (AkOaV)

Hey, everybody deserves a bankruptcy or two. Trump declared 4 times.

I suppose the real idiots are his 4th time creditors--who may have including some 1st time who were still waiting to get paid.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 14, 2015 03:30 PM (laMCB)

603 No Tennyson fans, huh?


*goes back to semi-lurking*

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 14, 2015 03:31 PM (JO9+V)

604 How about just build a wall. We know he can do that.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 14, 2015 03:27 PM (q5APL)

Around Trump? ha ha. Actually building a wall around Mexico is simply impossible. Too many miles, too many of them are on "wilderness land" and private land.

Bottom line a wall will not work and is a waste of money. Good sound bite though.

Now land mines? There's an idea.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 14, 2015 03:31 PM (0FSuD)

605 Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 03:25 PM (0LHZx)

How could Trump not raise any money? He's leading in the polls and his circle of associates are all super rich. *

If he was on celebrity apprentice he'd be fired.

* how many of his business associates have come out for him?

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 14, 2015 03:31 PM (cJswI)

606 There once was a man from Elysium,

Who's head was not round but trapezium.

Posted by: eleven at August 14, 2015 03:31 PM (IPzoI)

607 You mean the same Meghan/Megan/Megyn who went hysterical and womyn-defensive in a failed attempt to boost ratings during a presidential debate ?
Posted by: some random meathead at August 14, 2015 03:01 PM (Yrjee)

Failed attempt? The primetime Fox debate had the highest cable ratings for a non-sports event ever.

Posted by: troyriser at August 14, 2015 03:31 PM (Bvf82)

608 Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016

Why do you insist that the GOP candidate is a choice between Trump and only Jerb?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2015 03:27 PM (ZCFje)


Because he's pushing Jeb by pushing Trump. He's a Jeb supporter.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 14, 2015 03:31 PM (b65cm)

609 If you watch Trump and disregard what he says he gives off a serious Mussolini vibe.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at August 14, 2015 03:26 PM (JtwS4)


There was an article a couple of weeks ago with the title, "Is Donald Trump a Fascist?"

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 14, 2015 03:32 PM (oFCZn)

610 oh you're changing the subject after being challenged on a false claim

totally didn't see that one coming

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:19 PM (dciA+)


No, I was responding to you on a clearly different train of thought. It's not like the format here makes it easy to follow along.


Rest assured I'm also responding to your directed comments toward me.



Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 14, 2015 03:32 PM (xSCb6)

611 Money, attention, and whatever power results. That's what he's 'about.'
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2015 03:12 PM (ZCFje)


you make a good trump argument, I give you that



still didn't answer the question
but, understood, it's an unknown at this point

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 03:32 PM (qCMvj)

612 Ugh. I'm so tired of being called a bigot just because I think the country ought to be in control of its own border.


========


Nobody, or at least I didn't, call you that. In fact I agree with you. Nationalist and nativist are in themselves neutral terms.

Posted by: Bigby's 3 Finger Salute at August 14, 2015 03:32 PM (3ZtZW)

613 You do know the penalty for bringing math onto the blog, don't you?

-
Show us your tits?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 14, 2015 03:32 PM (XUKZU)

614 Why do you insist that the GOP candidate is a choice between Trump and only Jerb?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2015 03:27 PM (ZCFje)

___________

Because it essentially is. There are 17 candidates. 13 of them have a 0% chance of winning. The 4 that do are Jeb, Trump, Walker and Rubio. Walker/Rubio/Jeb are basically the same candidate, centrist, go along to get along types. But Jeb is the beloved GOPe squish who will get all the money and all the fawning coverage in National Review, WSJ, Fox News, etc. So he will win.

So it's either Jeb or Trump. And it's no so much Trump per se, it's the not-Jeb option.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 03:32 PM (0LHZx)

615
Chick crashes a stolen car from LA into the SF Bay Bridge. Jumps over the railing when the cops roll up. The police throw over dye pack so they can mark the current. They lose her but there is reports a dump truck picked up a wet woman and dropped her off in SF. And, she's cute, too.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 14, 2015 03:32 PM (iQIUe)

616 Hey, everybody deserves a bankruptcy or two. Trump declared 4 times.

I suppose the real idiots are his 4th time creditors--who may have including some 1st time who were still waiting to get paid.
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at August 14, 2015 03:30 PM (laMCB)

Yes.

Also, it wasn't Trump personally who declared bankruptcy. He has his buildings and various ventures in different hold corporations for tax and bankruptcy purposes, like any other large business.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 14, 2015 03:33 PM (AkOaV)

617 You do know the penalty for bringing math onto the blog, don't you?

-
Show us your tits?
Posted by: The Great White Snark


No. She has to bring cookies next week.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2015 03:33 PM (UYkjZ)

618 615
Chick crashes a stolen car from LA into the SF Bay Bridge. Jumps over the railing when the cops roll up. The police throw over dye pack so they can mark the current. They lose her but there is reports a dump truck picked up a wet woman and dropped her off in SF. And, she's cute, too.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 14, 2015 03:32 PM (iQIUe)

Sounds like she's bugfuck crazy. Don't hook up with her, you might end up just plain Bruce.

Posted by: Insomniac at August 14, 2015 03:33 PM (2Ojst)

619 Ace,


Did I say you were lying? Perhaps I did because I didn't know you made the initial comment he was anti-vax and was just annoyed when I saw that pop up.


If you are saying that Trump is "anti-vax" when he is on record as being "a complete believer of vaccines" well I'm not sure how you square that circle.


In the very tweet you reference, he is talking about taking all the vaccines at once, hence the word "massive". In his interview discussing it with Hugh he says he'd rather space them out over a year.


I'd say being a firm believer in vaccinating children cannot be called anti-vax.


But then again I rely on official campaign written statements that were meant to clarify certain interviews the candidate gave, rather than just use those interviews, which although not entirely clear on all the details, are not inconsistent at all with what he's said all along.


But everybody enjoy continuing the flame war and otherwise have fun this weekend.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 14, 2015 03:33 PM (q5APL)

620 You know want I like about Donald? His big, sexy hair! And, mountains of cash. But, mostly...

Posted by: Bree Olsen at August 14, 2015 03:33 PM (bUmSq)

621 Failed attempt? The primetime Fox debate had the highest cable ratings for a non-sports event ever.

Not because of Megyn's Vagina Monologues.

Trump stole her spotlight and she got pissy.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 14, 2015 03:34 PM (Yrjee)

622 >The 4 that do are Jeb, Trump, Walker and Rubio. Walker/Rubio/Jeb are basically the same candidate, centrist, go along to get along types.

I don't think that's fair to Walker. Walker fought like a motherfucker in his state. Whatever his failings, go along to get along doesn't seem to immediately apply.

Posted by: Crude at August 14, 2015 03:34 PM (DUynq)

623 "Oh my Trump made people lose money in his business dealings???!??!??? How awful."

Ever been screwed when someone owes you money and then files bankruptcy? It is awful.

Posted by: Benji Carver at August 14, 2015 03:34 PM (OD2ni)

624 But really, did the GOP really expect that this could go on forever?
***

The base voted for McCain after we supposedly weren't going to stand for any more amnesty and Mitt Romneycare after fighting Obamacare.

The GOPe has every reason to think we will take whatever they dish out and still give them our votes...

Trump is the first time the base seems to have said no more at the national level (well except Cantor). Will the GOPe listen this time?

Posted by: 18-1 at August 14, 2015 03:34 PM (78TbK)

625 And we know for a fact that they don't?

Posted by: Actinide at August 14, 2015 02:48 PM (Pb6tP)

Depends whether you think the sun revolves around the earth.

Wow, can't argue with that!!!

Posted by: Actinide at August 14, 2015 03:34 PM (Pb6tP)

626 Side-bar, the UK government funded research for a stupid git of a bloke to pretend he is a goat. Or just because he got a vacation in Switzerland at tax payer expense?

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 14, 2015 03:35 PM (yr/x+)

627 You do know the penalty for bringing math onto the blog, don't you?

-
Show us your tits?
Posted by: The Great White Snark


No. She has to bring cookies next week.


Cookies have carbs.

I'd rather see her tits.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at August 14, 2015 03:35 PM (JtwS4)

628 Here's the thing-Trump's a crass opportunist, but he appears to be an honest crass opportunist. The fact that he has jumped to the top of the polls and makes the GOP establishment squirm is his greatest appeal. If Cruz, Walker or Carson could grab the attention, they would be leading. The Conservative Treehouse has had a series of interesting posts on how the GOPe (GOP establishment has been working-and twisting the RNC rules) for the past 2 years to ensure that Jeb! is the nominee. Not sure it is correct, but the analysis is fascinating, and it makes me anxious for Trump to stick it out into April 2016, at least, when the primaries become winner take all. You all should check out this link: http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/08/14/the-2016-primary-and-various-degrees-of-influence/

Posted by: Del at August 14, 2015 03:35 PM (/MKrI)

629 But, you know, there are some other people that showed up last week to run for president. Someone can always vote for one of them.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 14, 2015 03:30 PM (oFCZn)


___________

Come on. Do you really think any of them other than Jeb, Walker have any chance of winning? Just because you say I'm running doesn't mean you have any chance of winning.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 03:35 PM (0LHZx)

630 606 There once was a man from Elysium,

Who's head was not round but trapezium.
Posted by: eleven at August 14, 2015 03:31 PM (IPzoI)

He once was the gov
And he likes "acts of love"
And like all pols he's made of pure Sleazium

Posted by: Insomniac at August 14, 2015 03:35 PM (2Ojst)

631 I saw that clip. I have to disagree with Cooke about the Assault Weapons Ban thing - as if someone can't change their mind.

Cooke also forgets that he - by his own admission - was at one time anti-gun entirely. He grew up and now enjoys shooting and is a 2nd Amendment supporter. Gun control is one of those things you can change your mind on because your position is often one held due to ignorance or indoctrination.

The same goes for pro-life vs. pro-killing babies in the womb. It is unusual for someone to switch from pro-life to be ok with dismembering babies because the pro-life position is one held due to morals (either religious or otherwise), but pro-abortion to pro-life switches aren't nearly as uncommon.

However, too many of these 'pro-abortion' shifts from politicians are just a matter of convenience, like Romney's. If Trump just recently 'saw the light' it makes me call into question why the sudden shift.

I don't entirely trust Trump. Too much opportunist, in my view, but he is saying the things that NEED to be said and drawing the GOP out to do battle in the open.

Posted by: blindside1973 at August 14, 2015 03:35 PM (wl7h5)

632 Cookies have carbs.

I'd rather see her tits.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at August 14, 2015 03:35 PM (JtwS4)


And sugar tits don't?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 14, 2015 03:36 PM (0NdlF)

633 Why even have a primary, just let the utter pick the candidate?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 14, 2015 03:36 PM (DUoqb)

634 Wow! Obama is going to release his playlist so we can listen to the same music he does. I wonder if Poppa Was a Rolling Stone will be on it.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 14, 2015 03:36 PM (XUKZU)

635 I would consider myself a Trump supporter but I also support Ted Cruz. I have been enjoying watching the conservative media types and establishment Republicans become hysteric over the idea any conservative would ever consider supporting Trump. My gosh I must be insane, stupid or just an angry bitter clinger. Whatever, GFY. It has become more clear over the last 10 years that establishment Republicans are liars and are just as entrenched in government as the democrats. You offer nothing in terms of solutions. You are useless. Talk, talk, talk. Blah, blah, blah. And that goes for the conservative alternative media that have set up their little corners of the blogshere only to get comfortable with the status quo. Again, GFY. My hope is for Ted Cruz to get the nomination but there is no reason NOT to support Trump in the early stages of the primary. Republicans are losers. That is based off observation of last 10-12 years. F... Losers.

Posted by: Ceasar at August 14, 2015 03:36 PM (o8fgp)

636 There was an article a couple of weeks ago with the title, "Is Donald Trump a Fascist?"

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis





I'll have to check it out when I finish "Donald Trump Ate My Baby" .



Posted by: some random meathead at August 14, 2015 03:36 PM (Yrjee)

637 I don't like Fiorina's Global Warming bullshit.
Therefore by the power invested to me by teh Internetz :

I DISQUALIFY THEE

WTF?


Posted by: some random meathead


I disqualify you because of your addiction to line breaks.

Buttseriously, she's going to get eaten alive because of her disastrous tenure at HP, firing tens of thousands, replacing said tens of thousands with H1B1's, and hiring some nanny way back.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2015 03:36 PM (ZCFje)

638 "Uhh, it was the Russians that put the Kibosh on."

Nah the Russians were too busy running away and burning their own shit. They didn't stop anything. Napoleon's retreat from Russia wrecked the French army. But it was the British that took advantage of it.

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at August 14, 2015 03:36 PM (TULs6)

639 ***"i'm not the one going to the Bad Faith argument as my first move.


That's on the more aggressive Trump supporters.


And yeah, if you immediately make a discussion personal by accusing people of Bad Faith -- then yes you can inspect some less-than-respectful language in return.


Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:30 PM (dciA+) "***


Actually, you are arguing in bad faith when you won't even acknowledge an argument. You made the claim that a particular argument does exist when it's made numerous times daily on your own blog. You want to ignore it, fine, but don't be surprised when people start speaking louder

Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 14, 2015 03:36 PM (xSCb6)

640 I don't think that's fair to Walker. Walker fought like a motherfucker in his state. Whatever his failings, go along to get along doesn't seem to immediately apply.
Posted by: Crude at August 14, 2015 03:34 PM (DUynq)

_________

Walker's like Christie. They both fought unions. Which is good. Very good in fact. But on everything else, they rolled over like good little RINOs.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 03:36 PM (0LHZx)

641 "Come on. Do you really think any of them other than Jeb, Walker have any chance of winning"

There's more of a chance that one of them will win than there is that Donald Trump isn't totally full of shit. The likely Democrat nominee is an elderly, unpopular woman who might be under indictment. Yes, I am saying that is indeed likely that whoever is the nominee (other than Trump and Bush) will win the general election.

Posted by: Paul at August 14, 2015 03:37 PM (P1jJI)

642 Ever been screwed when someone owes you money and then files bankruptcy? It is awful.


We were first in line! Avenge us, boys! A-vennnnge Us!!

Posted by: GM Bondholders at August 14, 2015 03:37 PM (JO9+V)

643 >>>If you are saying that Trump is "anti-vax" when he is on record as being "a complete believer of vaccines" well I'm not sure how you square that circle.


In the very tweet you reference, he is talking about taking all the vaccines at once, hence the word "massive". In his interview discussing it with Hugh he says he'd rather space them out over a year.


...

prescient11, he is NOW claiming he merely means that we should space out vaccines so that kids don't feel unwell, but he PREVIOUSLY linked vaccines to autism.

It is not a 'distortion" or "lying" to point out that he has had... well, a lot of positions that he is now "correcting."

Including being 'very, very pro-choice" and in favor of an AWB.

You keep quoting his cleaned-up positions to me as if every politician doesn't put out some pablum taking the edge off their heretical opinions. In Trump's case, and his case only, you demand we take the scrubbed statement as the Voice of God and ignore the more spontaneous (and more honest) statements made previously.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:37 PM (dciA+)

644 This is like the Twilight Zone episode where the aliens come down and get all the townspeople to fight and kill each other..

I say this was all planned by Hillary.. cuz she probably IS an alien.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 14, 2015 03:24 PM (so+oy)


I think this is probably the most plausible theory I've heard on the subject.

Posted by: Giorgio. Tsoukolololos at August 14, 2015 03:37 PM (bLnSU)

645 99 trump specifically tweeted last year that vaxes cause AUTISM (his caps)

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 02:11 PM (dciA+)

Yes, we know the government would never lie or be wrong about any nutritional, medical or safety issue.

True fact, my son was perfectly normal, in fact maybe above average for age up until 18 months when got his vaccinations. In two days he ran a high fever, passed out and stopped breathing. 911 told us to blow on his face and he started breathing again. Took him to the hospital of course. His developmental level was set back a whole year and started showing signs of autism (stemmy, echolaia, social interaction problems, etc.) as well as seizures.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at August 14, 2015 03:37 PM (LXJ1e)

646 Trump is a product of Darwinian eventuality.

He exists, and he seeks to expand. He will mindlessly eliminate opposition. He's shown the ability to do so. The idiot formerly known as Serious Candidate Rick Perry bought a ticket; he got owned. Paul took the same ride; owned as well. Cruz, who is craven, is tacking; if Trump fails, he was only lukewarm; if Trump wins, Cruz will be permitted to smell the glove. The others quail in the aura of a Becoming Trump.

"Yeah, but Trump [insert weak GOP mewling and bleating]."

Yes. Thank you, you're not yooge, please go back to whatever ant-like activity kept you busy before you peeked up from your toil, prole.

Posted by: General Zod at August 14, 2015 03:38 PM (hgpSN)

647 626 Side-bar, the UK government funded research for a stupid git of a bloke to pretend he is a goat. Or just because he got a vacation in Switzerland at tax payer expense?

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 14, 2015 03:35 PM (yr/x+)


It's good Ed Miliband found work after the shellacking he took in that election.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 14, 2015 03:38 PM (oFCZn)

648 I see bannings and an apology thread in our near future.
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 14, 2015 03:23 PM (PaQIn)


Thread winner (so far).

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 03:38 PM (qCMvj)

649 Small business survey of all candidates running D+R:


Trump 38%

Clinton 17%


Rubio/Bush 6%

Posted by: prescient11 at August 14, 2015 03:38 PM (q5APL)

650 The land mine idea should not be dismissed. Israel has a much smaller border with it's neighbors, they have a fence, then a land mine field, and then another fence and a sign warning you not to go in the field, aka cross the fence, it's very low.




How do I know this? Son found one of the signs in the road and grabbed it. It is now posted at my driveway entrance. It's in three languages, English, Hebrew and Arabic.




How he got it through security is still something I will never understand. I wasn't with him.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 14, 2015 03:38 PM (0FSuD)

651 i think carson, rubio, or fiorina have some chance of winning.

hell, Kasich has a chance, though i'm not sure why that should be so.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:38 PM (dciA+)

652 i could also see cruz winning.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:38 PM (dciA+)

653 542 Ace said Trump is anti-vax.


Here is what he said in an interview on this subject 2/25/15:

Trump said that while he is a "total believer" in vaccines "what I don't like seeing is that 20 pound little baby going in and having this one massive inoculation with all of these things combined. I'd like it spread over, because look, our autism rate is at a level that it's never been. Nobody's ever, you know, in the old days, you didn't even hear about autism, and now it's at a level that's so high, especially in boys, but so high that nobody can even believe it. What I'm saying is 100% I want to see it happen. I want everybody, but it should be spread over. Smaller doses over a longer period of time. So spread it out over a year. There's no harm in that, and I believe autism will go way down."



On Hugh Hewitt, reported in Breitbart in February.
Posted by: prescient11 at August 14, 2015 03:20 PM (q5APL)



That does not help your case. That is the anti-vax talking point. There is zero link to autism and vaccinations.

Posted by: Buzzion at August 14, 2015 03:39 PM (z/Ubi)

654 And I DO know VMS!

I have watched Rand Paul's posts on Facebook. He came out anti-Trump for a bit after the debate. And a lot of the comments ran negative. I notice that he's gone back to talking policy again.

If candidates go down in the polls for bashing Trump, that is a very good thing. It will stop the circular firing squad and just maybe, they can talk about the Dems instead.

Posted by: notsothoreau at August 14, 2015 03:39 PM (5HBd1)

655

new thread btw

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 03:39 PM (qCMvj)

656 SMOD!!!

They are going to re-boot Fresh Prince of Bel-Air with Will Smith rumored as a producer. So will spawn of Smith be cast in the lead role? And do I care? Nope. Nada.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 14, 2015 03:39 PM (yr/x+)

657 True fact, my son was perfectly normal, in fact maybe above average for age up until 18 months when got his vaccinations. In two days he ran a high fever, passed out and stopped breathing. 911 told us to blow on his face and he started breathing again. Took him to the hospital of course. His developmental level was set back a whole year and started showing signs of autism (stemmy, echolaia, social interaction problems, etc.) as well as seizures.

How can we trust your personal experience when a guy in a white lab coat assures us that everything is just fine?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 14, 2015 03:39 PM (0NdlF)

658 I'd rather see her tits.

-
I'll bet they're yuge.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 14, 2015 03:40 PM (XUKZU)

659 Just seems to me the GOPe and the candidates would best be served by analyzing what Trump is doing that is resonating and self correct accordingly if it fits their objectives. Clearly Trump is not a good fit for the GOPe. Acknowledged. Their best move would be to call off the media dogs and let it play out. But they won't.

I am particularly bored with Jonah Goldberg.

Posted by: gracepmc at August 14, 2015 03:40 PM (DMQhB)

660 649 Small business survey of all candidates running D+R:


Trump 38%

Clinton 17%


Rubio/Bush 6%
Posted by: prescient11 at August 14, 2015 03:38 PM (q5APL)

_________

So what you're saying is that 38% of business owners are imbeciles who don't use proper grammar on Twitter and are ineligible to vote.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 03:40 PM (0LHZx)

661 Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 03:36 PM (0LHZx)

You know very little about Christie. Or Walker for that matter. You should probably not blather on so much.

Go to your room. You are in Time-Out until your mom gets home.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 14, 2015 03:40 PM (Zu3d9)

662 360 "And we know for a fact that they don't?"

Well I guess there's the .0000000001% chance that they do. So based on that .0000000001% chance I'm gonna totally leave my kids susceptible to diseases that had otherwise been almost completely eradicated. Because Jenny McCarthy is definitely more trustworthy than people who actually have medical degrees and stuff.


This is a huge and serious issue and most anti-vaxxers are people who have had serious, bad experiences. Like me. It causes you to dig deeper and not just accept your politcal party's pronouncements on the subject.

How can this be about liberal or conservative? You suspect science when it's global warming but hey, everything the establishment says about vaccines is groovy. Because their intentions are pure and there's no profit-motive to consider at all. Not at all.

Posted by: Actinide at August 14, 2015 03:40 PM (Pb6tP)

663 There is zero link to autism and vaccinations.

How do you prove that, scientifically?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 14, 2015 03:40 PM (0NdlF)

664 carson will not win. fliorina will not win but will be asked to be somebodys veep


Posted by: ThunderB at August 14, 2015 03:40 PM (zOTsN)

665 Nood storm Trooper disguised as a goat.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 14, 2015 03:41 PM (x3GpS)

666 651 i think carson, rubio, or fiorina have some chance of winning.

hell, Kasich has a chance, though i'm not sure why that should be so.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:38 PM (dciA+)


Not Rand though? Interesting.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 14, 2015 03:41 PM (AkOaV)

667 "How can we trust your personal experience when a guy in a white lab coat assures us that everything is just fine?"

Oh good grief. One personal anecdote doesn't trump years and years of study and research.

Fucking idiots.

Posted by: Paul at August 14, 2015 03:41 PM (P1jJI)

668 i think carson, rubio, or fiorina have some chance of winning.



hell, Kasich has a chance, though i'm not sure why that should be so.





Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:38 PM (dciA+)


Rubio, yes. The rest, no. Kasich looks like a man looking for a promotion, but the Veep slot would be the natural fit: He's the guy who will deliver Ohio (in theory).


Cruz? Sorry, I don't see it. Too many enemies, and he's not strong enough to overcome that.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2015 03:41 PM (TOk1P)

669
I disqualify you because of your addiction to line breaks.

It's more of an affliction, actually. I was told once to add white space because I was otherwise 'fcuking unreadable'.

Yeah I enjoyed her Matrix - like moves in the Katie Couric interview. She can handle herself.

Would a president Trump screw us on immigration? That is the most important thing (for me) that I have walked away with today.


Posted by: some random meathead at August 14, 2015 03:41 PM (Yrjee)

670 And sugar tits don't?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster


You don't literally eat them, bro. If you are, ur doing it rong.

Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at August 14, 2015 03:41 PM (/Ho8c)

671
Pinging @ comment #603:

I appreciated the poem, Count.


Posted by: _Dave_ at August 14, 2015 03:42 PM (l2dSQ)

672 Carson has no chance. He goes from Obamacare to brain surgery to the scene in Mary Poppins where the kids fly. Or whatever.

Rubio is a teenager. Good ground game, Marco. See you in 2098.

Kasich is a political caddy.

Posted by: General Zod at August 14, 2015 03:42 PM (hgpSN)

673
I have a feeling that the actual primary votes in IA, NH and SC will be quite different than current polls. I also think hillary's wish is that trump is the nominee, just that my wish is that sanders is the nominee.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 14, 2015 03:42 PM (ODxAs)

674
She is one lucky bitch:

http://goo.gl/oL4uvG

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 14, 2015 03:42 PM (iQIUe)

675 Trump will only fade from a collective counter argument to the status quo when a strong viable alternative is clearly presented. It is not Trump and his adherents that are responsible for this challenge, but others to proffer and support. Who likes Walt Kelly? "We have met the enemy..."

Posted by: nosworthy at August 14, 2015 03:42 PM (mW1l6)

676 When I say nobody but Walker/Jeb can win, I mean the GOP nomination.

I don't think anyone will beat Hillary. Outside of the rightie blog world, nobody gives a shit about the emails. It's not even in the new anymore.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 03:42 PM (0LHZx)

677 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 03:38 PM (qCMvj)

Hey!

Aren't you supposed to be doing something here?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 14, 2015 03:42 PM (Zu3d9)

678 I love how every criticism of Trump is met with "But look at Jeb!!!" as if that excuses Trump to basically take any position he wants, including those Left to Obama. Both Trump and Jeb are shit heads, why not bring Lindsey Ghraham into the discussion as well.

Also, I guess I produce enough "Alpha" on my own that I don't swoon to Trump's "strength" of being an epic douchebag.

Posted by: Coolio at August 14, 2015 03:42 PM (nGBJw)

679 @651

You writing off Walker? I think Carson would make a great VP, but not President.


Walker/Carson or Walker/Fiorina would drive democrat nuts and split their base.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 14, 2015 03:43 PM (0FSuD)

680 99 trump specifically tweeted last year that vaxes cause AUTISM (his caps)



Posted by: ace



That's Fcuked up.

See? Fairness.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 14, 2015 03:43 PM (Yrjee)

681 Ace,


That's a fair point, if you're inferring that I would say it's reasonable.

but he PREVIOUSLY linked vaccines to autism


This point is really what he's still saying. He's still making that link. He's saying that too many vaccinations at once could be causing autism.


So he's not denying the link, but he's saying it's the dosage is a problem. That's not a nutter position I've never been entirely comfortable with all the vaccs going in at once either, and I strongly support vaccinations.


I don't get the flu shot, for example.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 14, 2015 03:43 PM (q5APL)

682 "That's not a nutter position"

Yes. Yes it is.

Posted by: Paul at August 14, 2015 03:44 PM (P1jJI)

683 Trump says single payer not a bad idea

Trump supporters with hands over ears Lalalalalalala

Trump says there should be a path to citizenship for illegals already here.

Lalalalalalala

Trump says economy better under Democrats than Republican.

Lalalalalalala

Trump says there should be a one time 15% tax on the wealthy .

Lalalalalalala wait did he mean me ? No okay no big deal.

Trump says he's against abortion but he is hesitant to tell a woman what she can do with her body

Lalalalalalala

Posted by: Cruzinator at August 14, 2015 03:44 PM (cJswI)

684 I.e., stop pretending this is about his stated positions, which change daily, and have been all over the map, mostly on the liberal side, until conservatives tell him "That's a very liberal position" then he changes it and says "I'm totes against Planned Parenthood."

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:07 PM (dciA+)

Funny, I heard that original interview as it was being played. My wife looked at me and said something like, "Crazy like a fox. He's recognizing actual women's health services as being important to attack Bush's statement. The GOPe is going to take the bait and going to have a fit, and of course tomorrow he'll clarify and say he's not for giving Planned Parenthood any money as long as they are in the abortion business."

Which of course one possible parsing if his original words.

Played again.

Posted by: Ynot you say at August 14, 2015 03:44 PM (TFWFz)

685 Nood storm Trooper disguised as a goat.

That actually looks more like the hat the Rebels wear. Figures.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 14, 2015 03:44 PM (0NdlF)

686 But Trump, being a Tabula Rasa or Rara Avis gets a pass because he will simply do All Good Things and No Bad Things.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 14, 2015 03:22 PM (b65cm)


Like a certain Illinois senator, being a blank screen upon which his supporters project their hopes and dreams...

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Free Shipping for Atrocities, Monstrosities, and Barbarisms at the Outrage Outlet! at August 14, 2015 03:45 PM (hLRSq)

687 @674

Clearly need to be signed up for Olympic diving.

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 14, 2015 03:45 PM (0FSuD)

688 PERRY/FIORINA 2016

True Conservatives

Posted by: schmitt at August 14, 2015 03:45 PM (jOxVV)

689 You don't literally eat them, bro. If you are, ur doing it rong.

Huh.

*puts away whipped cream*

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 14, 2015 03:46 PM (0NdlF)

690 Posted by: prescient11 at August 14, 2015 03:43 PM (q5APL)

Do you understand that there is no evidence for what Trump is saying?

His rejection of vaccination may sway one or two or 1,000 people to delay or simply reject vaccinations for their children, and that may get them sick or killed, and may hurt or kill other people.

That is an irresponsible and ignorant stance to take.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 14, 2015 03:46 PM (Zu3d9)

691
Pinging out to Ace's comment #652 :

Indeed Cruz could win. AMEN!






Posted by: _Dave_ at August 14, 2015 03:46 PM (l2dSQ)

692 I don't think anyone will beat Hillary. Outside of the rightie blog world, nobody gives a shit about the emails. It's not even in the new anymore.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 03:42 PM (0LHZx)

Whatever. It's been in the news.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 14, 2015 03:46 PM (oFCZn)

693 Kasich, for the win!

Really guys and gals.. Trump is gonna get bored with this in a month or two and we'll all be asking what we were fighting about..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 14, 2015 03:46 PM (so+oy)

694 True fact, my son was perfectly normal, in fact maybe above average for age up until 18 months when got his vaccinations. In two days he ran a high fever, passed out and stopped breathing. 911 told us to blow on his face and he started breathing again. Took him to the hospital of course. His developmental level was set back a whole year and started showing signs of autism (stemmy, echolaia, social interaction problems, etc.) as well as seizures.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at August 14, 2015 03:37 PM (LXJ1e)

So was my son. And my other son, and my daughter. And then they got their vaccinations.

And nothing happened, except now I don't have to worry about them getting TB, or Polio, or SmallPox or any of those other diseases that people no longer die of or suffer from in this country.

The only reason we have anti-vaxxers is because they are far removed from seeing and knowing people affected by polio or smallpox.

Posted by: blindside1973 at August 14, 2015 03:47 PM (wl7h5)

695 Fiorina's twitter feed from the last couple days:

...
I think people are looking for something and someone different.

I think people understand real leadership is necessary to challenge the status quo.

The political classes of both parties have failed women working families in this country.

We need a leader who understands executive decision-making, which is a tough call in a tough time with high stakes

What is necessary first and foremost is a different kind of leadership.

If John Boehner and Mitch McConnell don't produce, they need to step aside.
...

Very nice.

Do you believe her?

And if so,can she act on it?

The answers to both questions answers the question of trust, which is what this primary season is all about.

What I think has proven is that when Trump sets his sights on something or someone, he's a bulldozer, daring the GOP-e to give him an excuse to run as an independent and his fight with Fox proves that.

The other thing I know for sure is that Trump has been consistent on trade for years.

The last thing I know for sure is that immigration is the only issue that matters because we've arrived at an existential crossroads. Does white America want to preserve the familiar America,or live in Brazil?

(Interesting. The word immigration doesn't appear in Fiorina's twitter feed at all. Not once. So I know that for sure, too.)

Posted by: Zaporozhe at August 14, 2015 03:47 PM (FEk25)

696
664 carson will not win. fliorina will not win but will be asked to be somebodys veep


Posted by: ThunderB at August 14, 2015 03:40 PM (zOTsN)


I really do think that Fiorina is an establishment tool that they got to run because they wanted someone that could attack Hillary because they are scared to death of #waronwomen accusations. And she's been promised a nice position maybe even the VP slot so long as when she drops out gives an immediate endorsement to the preferred establishment candidate.

Posted by: Buzzion at August 14, 2015 03:47 PM (z/Ubi)

697 How can we trust your personal experience when a guy in a white lab coat assures us that everything is just fine?
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 14, 2015 03:39 PM (0NdlF)

-----------------------------

Shit just in the past year we have the following:

1) Butter is evil to butter is good
2) Skipping breakfast makes you fat, to skipping breakfast makes you lose weight

and since my children were born doctors changed from place your baby on its back to prevent SIDS to place your baby on its stomach to prevent SIDS (or position doesn't matter).

Posted by: Make America Great Again at August 14, 2015 03:48 PM (LXJ1e)

698 Oh good grief. One personal anecdote doesn't trump years and years of study and research.

Years of study and research can't disprove an observed chain of events.

What are you, anti-science? "I believe this scientific theory, so all contrary evidence is negated from existence!"

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 14, 2015 03:48 PM (0NdlF)

699 >>>Funny, I heard that original interview as it was being played. My wife looked at me and said something like, "Crazy like a fox. He's recognizing actual women's health services as being important to attack Bush's statement. The GOPe is going to take the bait and going to have a fit, and of course tomorrow he'll clarify and say he's not for giving Planned Parenthood any money as long as they are in the abortion business."

as i said on the podcast last night, yes, trump's liberal positions can make him *More* electable, not less; but then so could Jeb's liberalish positions, and yet I don't hear people saying Jeb is crazy like a fox for being a liberal.

I hear "I could never vote for Jeb for being a liberal."

You cannot deny that Trump is simply not being evaluated like any other candidate. What is disqualifying for others is called "clever" for Trump.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:49 PM (dciA+)

700 "Excuse me, Governor Perry. The expression 'eating soup with a fork" is only meant metaphorically. And, sir, you have some soup on the weird, tall, Andrew-Jackson shirt collar you insist on wearing."

Goldwater/Bolton 2016.

Posted by: General Zod at August 14, 2015 03:49 PM (hgpSN)

701 Posted by: Buzzion at August 14, 2015 03:47 PM (z/Ubi)

Ah....the old "Vagina Gambit."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 14, 2015 03:49 PM (Zu3d9)

702 Really guys and gals.. Trump is gonna get bored with this in a month or two and we'll all be asking what we were fighting about..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry

And his supporters are going to look awfully stupid, just like they did when he played the birther stunt.

Trump does this every 4 years

Posted by: Coolio at August 14, 2015 03:49 PM (nGBJw)

703 I don't think anyone will beat Hillary. Outside of the rightie blog world, nobody gives a shit about the emails. It's not even in the new anymore.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016
..........
I'm not so sure.. the Bernie supporters are rabid and fighting with Hillary supporters worse than thge Trump fights over here.. Go to Daily Kooks.. a number of "diaries" with the two groups shitting on each other..

I agree Hillary will get the nomination, but Bernie supporters may just stay home.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 14, 2015 03:49 PM (so+oy)

704 663 There is zero link to autism and vaccinations.

How do you prove that, scientifically?
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at August 14, 2015 03:40 PM (0NdlF)

There's a stronger link to autism and a history of mental illnesses in the family.

Just sayin'

Posted by: blindside1973 at August 14, 2015 03:49 PM (wl7h5)

705 Trump is a blunt stick to hit the GOP with.

Why is that so impossible to grasp?

Posted by: some random meathead at August 14, 2015 03:49 PM (Yrjee)

706 I can't recall a *commenter* even saying something positive.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 01:54 PM (dciA+)

Y'know, I was about to post something snarkily contrarian to this statement and point out something good about Jeb!. Honest to god I come up empty. He is such a non-entity I can't even make fun of him.
Posted by: ObjectionSustained

Compared to mini-moo, !Jeb is smart.

Posted by: Blue Hen at August 14, 2015 03:50 PM (Spluw)

707 Well, I'm certainly excited to meet this candidate who was a perfect conservative from birth and who has never taken a stupid position on anything. Bring it on!

Posted by: Brewdog at August 14, 2015 03:50 PM (F+bI6)

708 fiorina's gonna be on the podcast

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:51 PM (dciA+)

709 492 So yeah, end of the day, I'd vote for jeb.
Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:11 PM (dciA+)

Ehhhh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh!!!

Posted by: Emperor Palpatine at August 14, 2015 03:51 PM (ueOgE)

710 that's not a suggestion to not attack her, it's just an interesting thing i thought i'd mention

might be recorded this sunday

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:51 PM (dciA+)

711 > 700 "Excuse me, Governor Perry. The expression 'eating soup with a fork" is only meant metaphorically. And, sir, you have some soup on the weird, tall, Andrew-Jackson shirt collar you insist on wearing."

God, I know. I think that's a Texas A&M thing.

Posted by: Brewdog at August 14, 2015 03:51 PM (F+bI6)

712 You cannot deny that Trump is simply not being evaluated like any other candidate. What is disqualifying for others is called "clever" for Trump.

Posted by: ace

+10000

I'm actually in the camp of being perfectly fine with Republican politicians lying in order to get elected, but where it's difficult is when to know if we're being lied to or THEY (the LIVs) are being lied to.

But to trust that Trump is really secretly on our side and will never throw us overboard is hopelessly naive.

Posted by: Coolio at August 14, 2015 03:52 PM (nGBJw)

713 I don't think anyone will beat Hillary. Outside of the rightie blog world, nobody gives a shit about the emails. It's not even in the new anymore.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016

More proof that mini-moo is a fucking idiot.

The "rightie blog world" didn't divulge this, and it certainly didn't force the MFM to cover it. Most likely the obama cabal fed this out and gave the MFM permission to run it.

Posted by: Blue Hen at August 14, 2015 03:52 PM (Spluw)

714 fiorina's gonna be on the podcast

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:51 PM (dciA+)

Wow.

That's the big time.

You going to wear pants?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 14, 2015 03:52 PM (Zu3d9)

715 712: Okay, call. Let's see your hand.

Posted by: General Zod at August 14, 2015 03:53 PM (hgpSN)

716 Look, I think Jeb is a fine individual. I've even met him. Sure, he got a leg up in the world from family, but so what. He built a business as a real estate developer, a real business that made real money. He was elected governor more than once of a big, diverse state and by all accounts did a good job. I have absolutely no reason to dislike him.

Now give me a reason to vote for him.

And not "he's electable."

Posted by: Brewdog at August 14, 2015 03:53 PM (F+bI6)

717 I really do think that Fiorina is an establishment tool that they got to run...

If the establishment managed to choose Fiorina I have a lot more respect for the establishment. I would expect them to choose someone like Meghan McCain or DeDe Scozzafava.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 14, 2015 03:53 PM (2lndx)

718 Does it matter that Trump has expressed leftist and inconsistent positions when pretty much all pols, especially Republican pols, lie about what their positions really are, anyway? If you're voting for someone, you have to "pass it to find out what's in it" anyway. I don't see how Trumps inconsistencies make him any different than a select few, e.g., Cruz.

Posted by: gm at August 14, 2015 03:53 PM (ty+Et)

719 I am 138% behind Ace, but I still call bullshit on voting for democrats a good strategy. Unless your strategy is for society to become more corrupt and unethical, and more strung out on govt crack juice.

I hate GOP, too, but not enough to wreck everything.

I know Ace said that mostly because he's pissed off as most of us are, but still wanted to peel that one last shrimp, and shuck that last oyster, eat that little orange crab in the last oyster.

Posted by: hmitchell3rd at August 14, 2015 03:53 PM (3YCXd)

720 i don't know how to do the interview because usually we're just friendly and even ass-kissy but with a candidate we have to be "probing" and i've never done that


i'm hoping gabe can do the 'probing" stuff. I just have one "probing" sort of question.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:54 PM (dciA+)

721 This is super simple.

For Trump supporters (people like my parents) they are done with the GOP. They've put up with falling in line to ultimately be shat upon for thirty, forty, or fifty years. They are done (I was done two years ago, but I digress). For them right now, they have been pushed far enough and it is now FUCK YOU. WAR.

Trump is the candidate of FUCK YOU. WAR.

That's it. That's all there so to it. It has nothing to do with policy or position papers. It is simply FUCK YOU. WAR.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at August 14, 2015 03:54 PM (KkVB6)

722 You cannot deny that Trump is simply not being evaluated like any other candidate. What is disqualifying for others is called "clever" for Trump.

Posted by: ace

I'm going to stick with my analogy of a dog licking its ass. You expect a dog to do this. It's disconcerting when supposedly serious politicians do the same, ad lie about it.

trump is a celebrity who's been mugging for cameras for over 30 years.

The caddyshack analogy that someone else made is a great one too.

Posted by: Blue Hen at August 14, 2015 03:54 PM (Spluw)

723 fiorina's gonna be on the podcast


Nice get!

Posted by: some random meathead at August 14, 2015 03:55 PM (Yrjee)

724 Ace - I say you should work in the word "probing" in the interview, then laugh like Beavis (or was it Butthead?)

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 14, 2015 03:55 PM (so+oy)

725 >>>If the establishment managed to choose Fiorina I have a lot more respect for the establishment.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 14, 2015 03:53 PM (2lndx)>>>

She wouldn't be terrible if she could stop being a SJW.

Posted by: gm at August 14, 2015 03:55 PM (ty+Et)

726
701 Posted by: Buzzion at August 14, 2015 03:47 PM (z/Ubi)

Ah....the old "Vagina Gambit."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 14, 2015 03:49 PM (Zu3d9)


And I mean tool as in a wrench or hammer. Something with purpose to do a job. Not in the sense that Moo Moo is a tool.

Posted by: Buzzion at August 14, 2015 03:55 PM (z/Ubi)

727 708 fiorina's gonna be on the podcast
Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:51 PM (dciA+)


HOOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Goatfucking Kilmer at August 14, 2015 03:56 PM (JtwS4)

728 708 fiorina's gonna be on the podcast
Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:51 PM (dciA+)

wow, ace, congrats!

Good get.

Better then the cowbell guy, TBH

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 14, 2015 03:56 PM (AkOaV)

729
I agree that Trump is not being evaluated like any other candidate.
And I'm fine with that.

If we can't get a serious conservative like Jindal or Cruz as the nominee: then I'd like to shout out a big F.U. message to the GOP.
- The Don and his fabulously yuuuuge cock is the perfect vessel for that message.



Posted by: _Dave_ at August 14, 2015 03:56 PM (l2dSQ)

730 That's it. That's all there so to it. It has nothing to do with policy or position papers. It is simply FUCK YOU. WAR.

Posted by: Mandy P

But then what happens when he gets bored with this, drops out, and once again it was all just a publicity stunt for a media whore to get attention, just like he does every 4 years?

I could understand a scoundrel candidacy like this more if I didn't think the whole thing was a big, self-serving practical joke.

Posted by: Coolio at August 14, 2015 03:58 PM (nGBJw)

731 I detect an air of "concern troll" in HUCK/AKIN's advancement of Trump uber alle.

Should Trump actually win the nomination, then gosh gee willickers, I wonder if the media will suddenly rediscover:

Trump was a birther who thought Obama as a secret Muslim.

Trump said that McCain wasn't much of a war hero because he was captured.

All of his various misogynist or at least crass, crude, and insulting remarks about and to women -- "beautiful piece of ass", how he wouldn't mind dating his own daughter, and on, and on, and on.

Jesus Christ, from the nomination to the general, we'll just have wall-to-wall humiliating replays of all of this loud mouth's gaffes for the last 20 years.

Obama was the only properly functioning booby trap that William Ayers ever made. Trump is a crudely fashioned pipe bomb lobbed into the Republican tent by Hillary supporters, like HUCK/AKIN and his handlers.

If there are any actual conservatives supporting Trump, please do not be fooled into buying this idiot HUCK/AKIN his pipe and fuse.

Posted by: Pastafarian at August 14, 2015 03:58 PM (LqrRo)

732 Say this for Trump: When was the last time that any public figure, any real candidate, made such an unequivocal statement against political correctness?

Why won't more Republicans do that? (I mean, I know the answer, I'm just sayin'.)

Why does it take Donald Trump to call bullshit on the bullshit?

Posted by: Brewdog at August 14, 2015 03:58 PM (F+bI6)

733 So was my son. And my other son, and my daughter. And then they got their vaccinations.

And nothing happened, except now I don't have to worry about them getting TB, or Polio, or SmallPox or any of those other diseases that people no longer die of or suffer from in this country.

The only reason we have anti-vaxxers is because they are far removed from seeing and knowing people affected by polio or smallpox.
Posted by: blindside1973 at August 14, 2015 03:47 PM (wl7h5)

Are you seriously suggesting anti-vaxxers say all vaccinations lead to autism?

Posted by: Make America Great Again at August 14, 2015 03:58 PM (LXJ1e)

734 708 fiorina's gonna be on the podcast
Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:51 PM (dciA+)

This is very cool. I'll be sure to listen. She is incredibly sharp.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at August 14, 2015 03:59 PM (KkVB6)

735 >>>For Trump supporters (people like my parents) they are done with the GOP. They've put up with falling in line to ultimately be shat upon for thirty, forty, or fifty years. They are done (I was done two years ago, but I digress). For them right now, they have been pushed far enough and it is now FUCK YOU. WAR.


just so everyone notices, I never contradict this sort of argument because I totally get it. I may not agree with it but I get it.

But then Prescient11 suggests I'm "distorting" Trump's words by accurately quoting them (and said it of cooke as well), and that's where I say: Bullshit. There are acceptable claims, and there are unacceptable ones. An accurate quote is not a distortion, and no one has ever followed this New Rule that one must only quote (or quote *with*) the candidate's BEST, most scrubbed version of his statement.

We routinely take someone's off the cuff statements as a sort of in vino veritas more truthful insight into their real opinions.

Further, Trump was very clear on, say, abortion, before he decided to run as a Republican. He was "very, very pro-choice" (Two veries, and refusal to oppose partial birth abortion).

it is not a distortion that i do not quote his current, politically convenient claims about abortion.

I don't believe his current claims.

Just like people don't believe Rubio when he suddenly wants a wall all of a sudden.

Or would it be a distortion to say that?

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:59 PM (dciA+)

736
You cannot deny that Trump is simply not being evaluated like any
other candidate. What is disqualifying for others is called "clever" for
Trump.



Jeb Bush is a loser. Wanna talk disqualifier?

How many disaffected voters are gonna get fired up to vote BOOOOoooOOOoooOOSH 2016 ??

Posted by: some random meathead at August 14, 2015 03:59 PM (Yrjee)

737 >>>I hate GOP, too, but not enough to wreck everything.

Posted by: hmitchell3rd at August 14, 2015 03:53 PM (3YCXd)>>>

What do you mean by "wreck everything?" You seem to be under the impression that somehow electing Republicans will cause things to "not be wrecked." How exactly? Absent someone like Cruz winning, I don't see what you think helping get more Republicans elected is going to accomplish.

Posted by: gm at August 14, 2015 03:59 PM (ty+Et)

738 HOOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Goatfucking Kilmer at August 14, 2015 03:56 PM (JtwS4)



Ooops. Unsocking

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at August 14, 2015 03:59 PM (JtwS4)

739 I'm really warming to Fiorina.

She's by no means perfect, but I like a woman that can fight and throw a good elbow

Posted by: Coolio at August 14, 2015 04:00 PM (nGBJw)

740 She wouldn't be terrible if she could stop being a SJW.

Okay, I just broke the rule about googling what I hear about here, and found literally nothing for Carly Florin, Social Justice Warrior. The only links that showed up were articles about SJW's that also had links to non-SJW articles about Carly Fiorina in their sidebar.

What did she do?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 14, 2015 04:01 PM (2lndx)

741 You're right Ace. He's not being evaluated like any other candidate.



He's being ripped to shreds for the same shit by the same GOPe fuckers who told us that liberal Romney was the 2012 savior. (NRO, WS, WSJ, Hot Gas, Townhall, etc., etc., etc.)



And anyone that can't see that is insane or willfully blind.

Posted by: prescient11 at August 14, 2015 04:01 PM (q5APL)

742 And I did the search for Fiorina, not Florin. Apple, why do you hate women so?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 14, 2015 04:02 PM (2lndx)

743 as i said on the podcast last night, yes, trump's liberal positions can make him *More* electable, not less; but then so could Jeb's liberalish positions, and yet I don't hear people saying Jeb is crazy like a fox for being a liberal.

I hear "I could never vote for Jeb for being a liberal."

You cannot deny that Trump is simply not being evaluated like any other candidate. What is disqualifying for others is called "clever" for Trump.

Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:49 PM (dciA+)


He also rolled the left. Trump is multi-transactional. The set up was that he said day one, Hey I hear he does PP does all these good things and that 97% is useful and only 3% is abortions.

His clarification included - Hey, if it's only 3% of their business to do abortion and 97% is all of the good stuff, it should be no biggie to stop the abortions or lose all of their money.

Not just the GOPe that got suckered.

James Clavell kind of stuff.

Posted by: Ynot you say at August 14, 2015 04:02 PM (TFWFz)

744 Posted by: Coolio at August 14, 2015 03:58 PM (nGBJw)

No idea. And, as ice said, I don't support him. My parents, on the other hand, do and so do all their friends and neighbors.

I was just up visitng them for about a week back in July and Trump is the thing they all talked about, even at the neighborhood BBQ. I brought up many down sides, and of course the fact that this is basically just a vanity candidacy and the consensus was they don't care. They're all enjoying every single minute of the GOP freak out.

It's the ultimate F You to the GOP.

That's all it's about. It's not thought out any further than that. But it is what it is. The pundit class has spent weeks now freaking out about it and trying to figure out how to tank his candidacy and the bottom line is their hand-wringing and panicking is the goal.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at August 14, 2015 04:03 PM (KkVB6)

745 I don't believe his current claims.

And I am skeptical about someone with Fiorina's history. And Ben Carson: this ain't his first 2A stumble.

I believe that both , within one year of taking office, would be absorbed by the Beltway Borg.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 14, 2015 04:03 PM (Yrjee)

746 Ace, you have personal convictions which are likely shared by a majority of us...ask questions that you'd like honest answers, seek clarification on responses that require your solace. I trust you, as do the rest, it is unlikely you'll screw it up as long as the questions are honest and from your personal desire for meaningful political discourse. The person answering should feel relief that your concerns will be voiced and allowed respond. Buck up, it will be appreciated.

Posted by: nosworthy at August 14, 2015 04:03 PM (4GRF3)

747 It looks to me like every media outlet is Anti-Trump. Both Left and Right.

Something strange going on.

Posted by: Observer at August 14, 2015 04:04 PM (WuqdD)

748 My iPhone has no trouble Fiorina. In fact it is suggesting that as my word when I get to the second I.

Posted by: Buzzion at August 14, 2015 04:04 PM (z/Ubi)

749 HOOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Goatfucking Kilmer at August 14, 2015 03:56 PM (JtwS4)


Ooops. Unsocking
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp

See Carly!! This is what you're getting into!

Posted by: Fiorina staffer at August 14, 2015 04:05 PM (Spluw)

750 Right now I'm a Trump supporter. Whether that makes me a maniac, I don't care.

Of all the others I'd probably support Jindal the most. I was Perry supporter (since 2012) but he has not impressed me.

I think I could support Walker, but a question for Walker fans. Does he plan to disband the government worker unions at the Federal level? I haven't heard him comment on that even once, but his supporters sure like to point out what he did in Wisconsin in that regards.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at August 14, 2015 04:06 PM (LXJ1e)

751 A question if I may: Who among the horde is going to see "Straight Out of Compton" this weekend?

Anyone? Anyone at all? Bueller?

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at August 14, 2015 04:06 PM (X+nFp)

752 749 HOOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Goatfucking Kilmer at August 14, 2015 03:56 PM (JtwS4)


Ooops. Unsocking
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp

See Carly!! This is what you're getting into!
Posted by: Fiorina staffer at August 14, 2015 04:05 PM (Spluw)



To steal my new favorite quote:

In my defense, I totally did that.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at August 14, 2015 04:07 PM (JtwS4)

753 >>>Walker's like Christie. They both fought unions.
Which is good. Very good in fact. But on everything else, they rolled
over like good little RINOs.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 03:36 PM (0LHZx)
Right, you mean like on balancing the state budget? (Oh wait, Walker's running a surplus.) So maybe you were referring to signing Right-to-Work into law? No...he did that too. I guess you were referring to his cop-out on abortion? But wait, that can't be, because he defunded Planned Parenthood and passed a blanket ban on all abortions after 20 weeks in WI. Maybe it's his willingness to go along with Democratic vote fraud? Nah, can't be that: he passed mandatory voter ID law. So maybe it's his shitty gun record? Oh dangit, I forgot: he was the man who brought concealed-carry to Wisconsin.
Or maybe, just maybe, you enjoy making shit up because it's fun to be breezily dismissive and bloviatory about any candidate except the one you like.I actually have some issues with Walker. But you're just plain ignorant to claim he "rolled over like a good little RINO" on every issue except unions. His record has been, quite frankly, a conservative wishlist.

Posted by: Jeff B. at August 14, 2015 04:07 PM (r9zXa)

754 If Trump wasn't in the race, I'd probably most likely support Cruz, Jindal or Paul. Cruz over Jindal simply because he is polling better now.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at August 14, 2015 04:10 PM (LXJ1e)

755 "For Trump supporters (people like my parents) they are done with the
GOP. They've put up with falling in line to ultimately be shat upon for
thirty, forty, or fifty years. They are done (I was done two years ago,
but I digress). For them right now, they have been pushed far enough and
it is now FUCK YOU. WAR.



Trump is the candidate of FUCK YOU. WAR."

Ever hear of fragging in the Vietnam War? Soldiers killing their own officers with a fragmentation grenade?

Your parents have dropped a grenade at their own feet if they support Trump. He will "shat upon" everything they support.

Posted by: Bob from Ohio at August 14, 2015 04:10 PM (t3cNy)

756 >>>Not just the GOPe that got suckered.



James Clavell kind of stuff.


Yeah, Trump's a real four-dimensional chess player.

Posted by: Jeff B. at August 14, 2015 04:10 PM (r9zXa)

757 I'm done reading AP and just about done with HA. What they do is lead with a premise, and then use the article to validate that premise. That's not only dishonest, but it's propagandist.

Before you go telling me he "just has another point of view"- I've been down that road and his pieces all lead to the same place.

I understand he doesn't like Trump. But the minute he puts up an article about Trump- you know where it's going. I could probably guess the entire content before I read it. Same thing for other issues or people he doesn't like. It's a one-trick pony that's gone lame. It's not inventive, insightful, intellectually stimulating or frankly, cogent. It's a script that keep playing over again with new characters.

I don't know what's happened to honest, thoughtful and innovative writing from people on the right. There was a time when we were a bastion of that. But that ship has sailed and in its place are a bunch of nickel pundits who lack imagination or the intellectual depth to examine issues and form conclusions, no matter where they go.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 14, 2015 04:11 PM (GGCsk)

758 >>But then what happens when he gets bored with this, drops out, and once again it was all just a publicity stunt for a media whore to get attention, just like he does every 4 years?

I actually know the answer to this.

What happens is that those of us who support Trump get out the dominos, fix up a pitcher of Old Fashioneds, put Skitch Henderson on the phonograph, and tell the GOP to find some kind of humble karma in the sodomy it'll get (again) in November next year.

And yeah, I get it, if the GOP loses, They win. So what. We "won the Senate" two years ago, for all the good it's done us.

Posted by: General Zod at August 14, 2015 04:12 PM (hgpSN)

759 i'm hoping gabe can do the 'probing" stuff. I just have one "probing" sort of question.
Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 03:54 PM (dciA+)

That looks like a dig at homosexuals. Is Gabe homosexual?

Posted by: Sambo at August 14, 2015 04:13 PM (9UV3C)

760 I forget, which level of Hell does a kindle device belong? What an aggravating platform for retort...of course the content of comments is due my drinking. Hard to blame kindle for that.

Posted by: nosworthy at August 14, 2015 04:13 PM (xeaQ7)

761 I could potential support Walker too.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at August 14, 2015 04:14 PM (LXJ1e)

762 Trump is the candidate of the ... burn it down, salt the earth where it stood ... wing of the GOP.

If that's all you care about and you believe Trump will deliver it, then what Trump's positions were in the past ... or will be in the future ... don't matter so long as he delivers the chaos. Which he will.

With a real platform like that, his appeal is more easily understood.

Posted by: Joe at August 14, 2015 04:14 PM (uSM1W)

763
This does give some perspective. For example,I was dishearened byWalker's weak position on ethanol subsidies. String enoughweakor less than conservative instances together and all of a sudden a competent and conservative candidate seems so untrustworthy he might as well be a liberal.
Then Donald "Trust Me I'm a Doctor" Trump comes along andpeople want to believe him. That's why his rudeness-no apology-I'm not a politician schtick works so well.
Most of us recognize Trump is a buffoon and that not being a politician doesn't make him any more honest.
I think we're all susceptible to thekind ofreasoning where a position on ethanol can make us going running in search of a new champion. And that same reasoning is behind Trump's support.
Bush does suffer for some of that. Not to live up toa stereotype...but I'm no fan of his. I think the broad feeling about him (and here, I'm projecting) is that he just doesn't 'get it.' He doesn't understand the political moment and the stakes for the nation. He may be a competent man who could be good on a number of conservative issues (like his brother) but at the end there would be no net gain for our nation.
The question is who can we trust and how do we determine that? Are we really just rolling the dice on Cruz, Walker, Rubio, etc? I think that's how the Establishment sees it.

Posted by: Crispian at August 14, 2015 04:15 PM (rY+Q1)

764 nood podcast

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at August 14, 2015 04:15 PM (X+nFp)

765 >>won the Senate

Or, in the odd words of William S. Burroughs, "you win something like jellyfish. Or it win you."

I feel won.

Posted by: General Zod at August 14, 2015 04:15 PM (hgpSN)

766
Pinging out at Make America Great Again comment #754:

Cruz over Jindal - only because Cruz happens to be polling better.
-That's about how I see it too.







Posted by: _Dave_ at August 14, 2015 04:17 PM (l2dSQ)

767 BTW, everyone talking about Trump's lack of policy positions. Guess what almost none of the candidates have policy positions at this point. Granted they have past records to point to, but, that doesn't necessarily translate into a national policy.

Posted by: Make America Great Again at August 14, 2015 04:18 PM (LXJ1e)

768 "That's one of the most disgraceful things in all of this, that the punishment for speaking facts which are not useful to Trump's candidacy is a SWJ style social media shaming."

That's funny, did you already forget the period bullshit and endless stream of establishment dickeads trying to SJW Trump supporters into shutting up because they used mean words?

You don't get to play by two different rules unless you can enforce them and the establishment can't. Don't be surprised that after decades of demanding some establishment loyalty people will show none and throw Trump at them just to watch them all burn.

Posted by: Johnny at August 14, 2015 04:20 PM (MZKpF)

769
BTW, I finally (just now) got around to watching the Coulter v Cooke on Hannity video.

And - as usual - Coulter wins the day.
I think she makes an excellent and very reasonable defense of Trump.

I only wish she had taken the time to mention that Bobby Jindal and Ted Cruz are even better on stopping illegal immigration. And that they would make even better presidents.






Posted by: _Dave_ at August 14, 2015 04:22 PM (l2dSQ)

770 So 1000 comments later in the wasteland itz safe to say Margater Sanger was a racist and eugenecist and thats OK with Hillary, Bill, the Donald, with Obama, with the DNC, NYT and academia otherwise they would publcly distance themselves from Sanger's rhetoric.

Posted by: DM at August 14, 2015 04:26 PM (8NRzt)

771 Good stuff from Ace as usual. 753 right on too.
I am not a Trumpkin because I want my leaders to have clear values and be unambiguous about what they will do. Trump offers neither but Trumpism.
Trumpism is what happens to strike the Donald at the time. Business people who are deal driven have situational beliefs. what is pragmatic at that time and place. Trump however will fight for what he wants.
Trumpism means if you are the 0bama/left media thugs and you burn down my political house with lies (aka Romeny) I will not shrug. I aka Trump will show up with a flamethrower burn down your block, and threaten the houses of all your media friends, the advertisers and then carry the narrative that millions, millions of angry customers have cancelled their accounts in response. Think Macy's regrets their decision right about now. easy to try and kill a Christina bakery, not so easy to kill the Donald.
That kind of nuclear response is what parts of the base want. They are tired of being told to bend over.
Noonan had a very good column yesterday that goit it right.
The terrible irony is that we have a guy like Walker that is the real deal, but parts on the angry base are not looking for Gary Cooper, but Chuck Norris right now.
I am not a Christie or Bush fan, but even in their cases they inherited Democrat dumpster fires (if Greece was a State, New Jersey would be it) and fixed stuff.
Any and I mean any R on that debate stage would have been a more effective leader and the world would be far safer today than with 0bama.

Posted by: standfast24 at August 14, 2015 04:26 PM (wx/BY)

772 It has been kind of obvious* that parts of the Conservative base have
been frustrated for years, looking for someone who will tell the Media,
the Left, the Democrats - all of the SJW's - exactly where they can get
off and not crumple like tissue in the backlash. Trump will insult all
of the people that his supporters are currently angry with. And he
enjoys the backlash. His supporters are deliriously joyful that their
political and cultural opponents are catching some punches.

*I read AoSHQ.

Posted
by: Mikey NTH - Free Shipping for Atrocities, Monstrosities, and
Barbarisms at the Outrage Outlet! at August 14, 2015 02:00 PM (hLRSq)

>>>

Are his supporters angry with Planned Parenthood? What punches are they taking from Trump? He said the videos were disgusting, but he still wants PP to keep getting federal funding, and PP is praising him for it.


Posted by: Crazy Bald Guy at August 14, 2015 04:27 PM (2LO6d)

773 I've been politically active for over two decades.
In all that time, the national Republican party has never missed a chance to stab me in the back.

The country is still worth saving, but the Republican party is not.
Let. It. Burn.

The GOP is determined to foist off a squishy charlatan on us, anyway. So let's coalesce behind the one that will destroy them.

Posted by: Luke at August 14, 2015 04:31 PM (pfTnm)

774 I, like many, just assumed this whole Trump thing would be a passing fad. How couldn't it be? When taken as whole, his total support, it's a statistic. But witnessing their rationalizations on an individual basis, it's a tragedy.

Posted by: defjavidson at August 14, 2015 04:32 PM (5+2ng)

775 Look all you spoiled white people need perspective.

Go to www.youtube.com and do a search for The Cannibal Warlords of Libera Full Length

Chuck Taylor won Liberian national elections with the slogan "He killed my ma, he killed my pa, but I'll still vote for him."

So quit your bitching and vote for Trump. IT COULD BE WORSE!

Posted by: Not Mitt Romney at August 14, 2015 04:33 PM (TULs6)

776 Trump has actually built things. And did it on time
and on budget. He actually has a large payroll and the checks don't
bounce. I know this disqualifies him for public service but it does
separate him from all other candidates - Left or Right.

Posted by: Hank, Your Friend in Congress at August 14, 2015 02:02 PM (oDCMR)
<<<
What about the way Trump has used eminent domain to build things? That's not a problem for you? Conservatives used to actually care about stuff like that quite a bit.

Posted by: Crazy Bald Guy at August 14, 2015 04:33 PM (2LO6d)

777 Just arrived; nearly 800 comments. Sheesh!

Posted by: m at August 14, 2015 04:36 PM (ELEPX)

778 773, it will take far more than Trump to destroy the R est. However a revolt from enough voters and grass roots that manifest itself with support to Trump, Fiiorina, Carson. Cruz, Walker and Jindal may be the catalyst that forces one or both of the surrender twins in house/senate to fall on their swords.
The longer the outsiders and conservatives collectively do well, the harder it is for the est. to ignore them and pretend/wish/hope they will self destruct.
Also, if Kasich becomes the moderate standard and knocks off Bush he would do the party great favor and great damage to the establishment.

Posted by: standfast24 at August 14, 2015 04:38 PM (wx/BY)

779 Trump support is reflection of unrequited rage at the status quo, lack of adequate education in civics (most native born Americans couldn't pass a naturalization test), and no clear alternative worthy of our extreme displeasure. We may be past the point of no return...thanks, Dad.

Posted by: nosworthy at August 14, 2015 04:38 PM (lhnFV)

780 Trump is the inadvertent stalking horse for Cruz. When Trump drops out, Cruz will be the natural heir of his fervent anti-establishment appeal, and will suddenly look mighty reasonable in comparison.

Posted by: rrpjr at August 14, 2015 04:39 PM (s/yC1)

781 Trump is a symptom of two things: first,a significant number of people
want this country to have enforced borders and immigration policy and
NO amnesty, and don't trust the GOPe favorites on any of those; and
second, a significant number of GOP voters are sick to death of being
lied to, and see the party leadership as uncaring at best, or at worst
collaborationist with the Obama regime. The party leadership is not
trusted, it is *despised* by many of us.

Until the GOP
successfully grapples with those two issues, Trump will continue to be
an issue. Trump's ascendance was almost inevitable, given the failures
of the party leadership.

Posted by: Agent J at August 14, 2015 02:04 PM (ueOgE)

<<<

Ok, but when did Trump ever actually say that he opposes amnesty?


Posted by: Crazy Bald Guy at August 14, 2015 04:46 PM (2LO6d)

782 Know this is off topic. but Trump says the harrgad queen is a goner and he will face slow Joe.
Still trying to figure the over/under on how long the haggard queen survives. My hope is she makes the nomination and then as she disintegrates Bibi gives her and 0bama a giant push over the cliff when the Mossad starts to leak all those emails it borrowed off of the queens amaetur private home email.

Posted by: standfast24 at August 14, 2015 04:47 PM (wx/BY)

783 Trump is the GOP bases "Can you hear me now!" Candidate to GOPe.

It would seem GOPe is complety deaf and incapable of understanding what I believe to be an important and urgent message.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 14, 2015 02:05 PM (mysAS)

<<<

What's his message? Do you know? Does he? It seems to be different every time he opens his mouth.


Posted by: Crazy Bald Guy at August 14, 2015 04:50 PM (2LO6d)

784 Off topic, for those who still read I recommend Russel Kirk's "The Conservative Mind" and Arthur Brook's "The Conservative Heart". Or you can watch kittens on YouTube...really won't make a difference for our republic either way. Let it burn.

Posted by: nosworthy at August 14, 2015 04:51 PM (lhnFV)

785 "BTW, trump is anti-vax."

I don't really like Trump, but all things being equal.......

This is why I will vote for him. He is the only one that I am aware of that is anti-vax and for some of us conservatives, this is a PLUS point. I am also PRO labeling of GMOs which doesn't seem to be a conservative thing either - and that's a shame - some of us want safe, healthy food and enough info to make an educated choice.

Posted by: Bonnie Blue at August 14, 2015 04:52 PM (ZXK8H)

786 "It doesn't matter that Trump thinks Planned Parenthood is a fabulous organization that does incredible, incredible work for the women and must be funded. (The fabulous/incredible parts are parody language, but he did say the "good parts" of Planned Parenthood must be funded -- which is actually the current posture of the law, and Planned Parenthood's position as well: They claim that when we give them millions of dollars, that doesn't go to abortions.)"

This is the way to type 100 words when 10 will do.

Posted by: docweasel at August 14, 2015 04:53 PM (XxzcU)

787 Oh Ace, you're such a sweet silly seesaw, one day FUCK THE GOPE and
another day intellectually curious about the rabbit hole populism that is Trumpism. We love ya.

Posted by: Mister Magic at August 14, 2015 02:05 PM (x/xSJ)

<<<

Why would you expect Trump to take the fight to the Establishment when he is constantly regurgitating Dem talking points? The only guy getting praise from Planned Parenthood is only guy who will fight McConnell and Boehner? I don't think so. If he fights them he will be fighting them from the left, not the right.

Posted by: Crazy Bald Guy at August 14, 2015 05:01 PM (2LO6d)

788 Which Ann Coulter came out for this debate? The one who said Mitt Romney was a sure loser, or the one who praised him as the last great hope of the Republic?

Posted by: DriveBy at August 14, 2015 05:14 PM (C9Vc8)

789 Enemy of my enemy, and all that. Is not necessarily your friend, see WWII for an example.

Posted by: Tyrconnell at August 14, 2015 05:25 PM (37ZZQ)

790 "...are simply deemed to not matter, for reasons that are never fully articulated."

Trump himself articulated the reason -- which you either accept or reject, as is the way with this man -- when he told Greta Van Susteren weeks ago, "I was a part of the problem. Now I'm going to be the solution."

This would mean that he was lying -- unless, of course, he were not a politician, to begin with.

Posted by: herb borkland at August 14, 2015 05:30 PM (AZ4sn)

791 Throw one more rock on the pile that is in favor (to quote Ace) 'of savaging the English fruitcake Charles Cooke......'.


Let Mr Cooke have a jolly good savaging......! there just something good and worthy in savaging an Englishman.....

Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at August 14, 2015 06:08 PM (blgYU)

792 I reject your premise and chose Walker.

There.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Free Shipping for Atrocities, Monstrosities, and Barbarisms at the Outrage Outlet! at August 14, 2015 02:57 PM (hLRSq)


Choose? Bless your heart.

Posted by: rebel flounder at August 14, 2015 06:52 PM (Vf5rR)

793 Took me a short while to come to the following epiphany, fellow commentators and alcohol were a factor to an understanding.

Trump is the conservative version of the "black" knockout game. Self-perceived victims of cultural/societal/political oppression feeling justification to brutalize their neighbor for reasons that possess no logic or moral concept and only possess a visceral butt-hurt understanding of the cause. Insight towards a reasonable solution has succumbed to hurried nihilist insurrection.

Let it burn.

Posted by: nosworthy at August 14, 2015 07:17 PM (lhnFV)

794 By any reasonable metric, this constitutional republic is far past the point of no return...the majority are ignorant of our past, civic duty, and oblivious to our situation (national debt, immigration, lack of personal and government accountability, dismissal of rule of law, etc). Who can blame those that like Trump? Folks are angry, too bad they gave those that could have made a difference these past twenty years a pass. The umbrage is righteous, just hypocritically late. Burn, baby, burn.

Posted by: nosworthy at August 14, 2015 07:43 PM (lhnFV)

795 Last epiphany and I'll call it a night...sixth g&t and the Lord can only bestow so much to his willing disciple.

Coke is far superior to pot, the sixties and early seventies were rife with self-indulgent proto-fascists who would later insist (at gun point) that they were the society to be adhered...not long after, the seventies and early eighties brought us clear anarchist disposition towards those who professed such dictatorship. It wasn't Reagan's California that we should fear but a federal government exploited for political gain by narcissistic rule of law ignoring potheads.

Coke is fun, personally expansive and energetic, immersive in the now (without pretense of contemplation of BS greater good). Pot is for quitters who suppose themselves progressive intellectuals but incapable of either description. The new anarchy, most impactful, will come from the middle class (most underappreciated and taken for granted segment of our society)...those with memory of punk and a sober, judiciously applied screw it mind set, are the beginning of the end of this status quo. Snort coke, watch it burn with a grim rictus smile. Fun times.

Posted by: nosworthy at August 14, 2015 08:47 PM (lhnFV)

796 Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 02:16 PM (dciA+)

Dead thread and all that, but my take is that Trump told Cuomo that he'd "strongly look into PP" and look into the "good" it does, I think he will and he will find that they don't do any "good". He wanted to avoid looking like a knee-jerk reaction, imo, but will come to the right conclusion. I hope.

And you seem to downplay the "HE FIGHTS" thing. Why? Honestly, that's the most important reason to support him. Unless, of course, you LIKE the Establishment that has gone on record as saying that they want to "punch" conservatives "in the nose"? Or you like the chamber of commerce dictating and owning all of our candidates and supporting amnesty?

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 14, 2015 08:56 PM (xetep)

797 Ace, some want an honest fight...that has a loser with broken teeth and profuse bleeding, a fatality is not beyond the expectation. Unfortunately, they picked a fighter that enjoys consideration based solely on personal wishful thinking and media hearsay. Wait, has anyone ever seen Obama and Trump in the same room? Hmmmm.

Posted by: nosworthy at August 14, 2015 09:07 PM (lhnFV)

798 I don't get it. Trump says a few things that make the base giddy and he has all this support. Lets face facts Trump is probably the biggest RINO on the ticket. He's bad on immigration, he's pro-gun control, he's pro-choice (his current objections are media hype), and he supports high taxes. Three-for-three of the big issues. I have no idea if he even has some conservative principles at all.

Posted by: Ben (the original) at August 14, 2015 09:50 PM (DcG8N)

799 Ace, If you don't think there are GOP blogs and writers, those who are supposedly conservative who oppose Trump, you are not paying attention. But then after reading your posts it becomes obvious you are among them. National Review, the Weakly Substandard, George Will, Charles whats his name, Megan Kelly, Chris Wallace just to name a few. Why you people are against someone who can WIN, is amazing to me, but then you backed McCainand Romney. I am done with reading this blog and your BS. Trump fro President and Trey Gowdy for AG scares the hell out of the elites.

Posted by: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III at August 14, 2015 10:09 PM (a9im4)

800 >>>798 I don't get it. Trump says a few things that make the base giddy and he has all this support. Lets face facts Trump is probably the biggest RINO on the ticket. He's bad on immigration, he's pro-gun control, he's pro-choice (his current objections are media hype), and he supports high taxes. Three-for-three of the big issues. I have no idea if he even has some conservative principles at all.
Posted by: Ben (the original) at August 14, 2015 09:50 PM (DcG8N)>>

If we're getting all of that, regardless of whether Trump is the nominee or not (and let's be honest - it's what we almost always get from the GOP), we might as well get it served with a heaping side of the tears of our enemies, right?

Posted by: gm at August 14, 2015 10:09 PM (K0tm3)

801 Cooke is a faggot.

Trump has fans because he's a fighter. He's mad as hell, and we're mad as hell, and we love it when he is politically incorrect and when he mocks and belittles other politicians.

At the end of the day, though, he's not going to be the GOP nominee. He probably won't win a single state. And he probably won't mount any serious third party effort.

So, like, just enjoy the ride.

Posted by: Justfactualthings at August 14, 2015 11:26 PM (oCxXI)

802 You've covered most of my objections, suspicions and concerns about Trump. Beyond those issues lie his massive inability to discuss any serious problems beyond a marked superficial level. Considering our current geopolitical time bomb waiting for the next president, placing someone unprepared in charge, would be comparable to agreeing to allow an intern to conduct your heart surgery.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at August 15, 2015 12:04 AM (XRact)

803 Interesting how winning became the priority, before establishing if your candidate concerned, actually represents what goals you wish to win.

It's remarkable how this pattern resembles Obama's fanatical followers.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at August 15, 2015 12:11 AM (XRact)

804 I'm with 801. I'm no Trump "supporter", inasmuch that I'm not buying any bumper stickers or yard signs for him...but I am taking perverse pleasure in watching him freak out all of the right people. As others have commented, the GOPe owns this debacle. If they had even merely paid us lip service, merely put up the illusion of fighting the Dems as hard as they fought fellow Pubs (in MS, for example)...threw us a goddamn bone once in awhile....this wouldn't be happening. As it is, I'm just hoping that Trump at least serves the purpose of making the rest of the GOP field look reasonable (Cruz especially).

Posted by: Biff Boffo at August 15, 2015 12:13 AM (EARfr)

805 At this point, many of us are convinced that it's better for the country if the GOPe is destroyed than if it succeeds to the presidency, even if it means a Democratic victory in 2016. Trump is the available means of that destruction.

Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at August 15, 2015 10:35 AM (U4QC6)

806 No "Trump supporter" here either but I love what he has done to the campaign and the national issue - immigration.

This blogger doesn't like Trump but is fearful of going all NRO on him yet. He realizes he will lose readers.

Posted by: WJ at August 15, 2015 01:58 PM (uyAgL)

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