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What's The Right Approach For Conservatives And Republicans When It Comes To Trump Voters
Donald Trump is a godsend. Seriously. It's August before a primary year and we don't have the Iowa Straw Poll to kick around anymore. Without Trump we'd be discussing, I don't know, how Jeb! is going to thwart the Kasich boomlett. Give me crazy Donald Trump to fill that news/politics void every time.
I know this will drive some people nuts because politics is very serious business. The thing is, beyond the entertainment value, I don't find Trump the least bit interesting and I don't think he's killing conservatism. He's a rich guy on an ego trip who is filling a vacuum. The GOP survived the Summer of Cain and Bachmann, it'll survive the Summer of Trump. The basis of my deep indifference to Trump is I don't think he's a serious candidate. I don't bother debating his supporters or detractors on policy because he doesn't have any. It's all made up on the fly as Charles Cooke demonstrated on Hannity last night. I used to play around at improv acting/comedy like you would see on Whose Line Is It Anyway. Trump reminds me of a game we'd play called New Choice. How it works is in the middle of the scene someone would yell out "new choice" and the person just spoke would have to change what they said to something different. You'd do this a few times in a row and it was generally kind of funny but the scene changes entirely and you go from there. That's Trump on policy. "I'm for a flat tax" NEW CHOICE!, "I'm for a wealth tax" NEW CHOICE, "I'm for the progressive income tax system we have"....and the campaign continues. I'm supposed to attack or defend this? It's a fever that will burn itself out. As for his enablers in talk radio? Spoiler: It's what they do. The right's reliance on guys like Rush, Hannity and Levine has always been a double edged sword. Complaining about the weather is more likely to make a difference. By the time November and December roll around people will start thinking, "Am I really going to do this?" My bet is the answer is, no. And even the people who are stuck on Trump strike me as unlikely to trudge out in the middle of a cold winter's night to vote for him at a caucus. But that leaves a couple of important questions. Who are these supporters of his and can they be used to a purpose other than Trump? The answer to these questions depends on who you think they are. Are they simply Trump Dead Enders who aren't really political people but like him on The Apprentice and are enjoying this new season of his show? Are they disaffected conservatives who have dropped out of the system but are coming back thanks to his outsider rantings? Are they raving racist lunatics who have finally heard the dog whistle they've been waiting for? My guess, and it's just that for everyone at this point, is they are all of those things and more. As with so much else, we just aren't sure about the proportions. I will say the loud and obnoxious online racist types are probably the smallest of the cohort even if they are the most in your face if you live online. If that group is driving him to 20-25% in nearly every poll, the GOP has a really big problem. To my mind the GOP and conservatives would be stupid to do nothing but insult and write off the low information-celebrity culture people Trump has looking at the GOP race right now. And the gettable but disaffected conservatives will only have their bias against the GOP confirmed if you say you aren't interested in them because they just aren't your kind of people. Remember how in 2012 Romney "hit his numbers" but lost because Obama found new voters? Well, to one degree or another Trump seems to have found new voters and brought some old ones back to the table. Is this the ideal way to stumble on them? Not really. Is it better than not stumbling on them at all? I'd say yes. Their politics might not make sense to you but that's your problem, not theirs. If you're expecting people to come to the party or the movement fully formed and as informed as people who have been dealing with these things for years and years you're saying, "no newcomers welcome". The idea that pandering to voters or trying to win them over is beneath a candidate, party or movement seems rather odd. Last I checked neither the GOP nor the conservative movement was so flush with support they can afford to turn people away. But maybe we could try before abandoning all hope? Keep in mind Trump announced his campaign two months ago. And his surge is more recent than that. Are we really saying, "well, we gave it the old college try but there's no reaching these people" already? The GOP has been pushing amnesty for over a decade. When you point out that the new voters they want to make are overwhelmingly liberal, Republicans say, "Sure but we have to give them amnesty just for the chance to even sell them on conservatism. It'll take time but we're awesome sales people, we can do it!" Yet when it comes to blank slate voters enmeshed in the celebrity culture and culturally conservative leaning types ("bitter clingers" as someone once called them) who have been turned off by the GOP's leftward and corporatist drift, their attitude suddenly becomes, "Not our type of people darling. You just can't talk to them so best to tell them to die in a fire"? The other side to Obama's "found voters" was the constant attempts to contact them in ways they, not Obama or Democrats, cared about. His campaign didn't insult them for not voting. Or tell them their concerns were stupid and they didn't understand how things worked. They used micro targeting to find out what motivated them and then aimed ads and personal contacts at them. It wasn't a one and done approach. It was a methodical effort to build a case as to why these people should become voters and vote for Obama (or against Romney). They weren't handed to Obama on a silver platter, he worked for them. This idea that not only should people vote for your candidate but they should do so only if they can demonstrate a full understanding of and commitment to the party's values, is silly. A vote is a vote. When it comes time to declare winners and losers on election night, they don't ask why people voted for you, they ask how many. Maybe the percentage of Trump voters who are new and reachable is so small it's not worth the effort to sort them out and discarding them all is the best way to go. Given the uncertainties of who they are, that might be right and reasonable. However, right now the margins are pretty thin for the GOP and conservatives are a minority within the party. Even if only a third or a quarter of Trump supporters are reachable and open to approach by someone else, it seems it's worth the effort and skipping the emotionally satisfying insults. At the very least it seems wise to hold your fire until you know more. Of course, as someone who has written off the GOP and most of the candidates running, my interest here is purely sporting. I'm sure the people that brought you the GOP as it currently exists know best. So forget I said anything.Comments
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Uncanny
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 14, 2015 10:57 AM (evdj2)
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Trump is neither the problem nor the solution. He's the symptom of a party out of touch with it's constituency.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 14, 2015 10:58 AM (evdj2)
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13th!!
Posted by: Dirty Randy at August 14, 2015 11:00 AM (jjaLl)
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whoops.... missed it by THAT much!
Posted by: Dirty Randy at August 14, 2015 11:00 AM (jjaLl)
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I don't even think this blog has any real Trump supporters so much as people who are fed up with the GOPe.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at August 14, 2015 11:01 AM (2ZlVG)
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Yo!
Posted by: Yo! at August 14, 2015 11:01 AM (W6iIX)
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now I'll read the post...
Posted by: Dirty Randy at August 14, 2015 11:01 AM (jjaLl)
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"It's all made up on the fly as Charles Cooke demonstrated on Hannity last night."
Sorry, he didn't demonstrate anything. He just flapped his nicely elocuting British gums.
But very capable and artful condescension.
Sorry, he didn't demonstrate anything. He just flapped his nicely elocuting British gums.
But very capable and artful condescension.
Posted by: rrpjr at August 14, 2015 11:01 AM (s/yC1)
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That was rather long.
Posted by: SH at August 14, 2015 11:01 AM (gmeXX)
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"politics is very serious business." I dunno. Horserace politics, handicapping candidates, doesn't seem very important. Politics, as in the creation and enforcement of laws, defense of the nation, etc is very important. But all the brouhaha over candidates and voting just seems so futile now that every damned politician is a liar, a power-hungry opportunist, a double-talker who will say any old crap on the stump, but govern completely differently once in office. Yes, I'm discouraged.
Posted by: gp at August 14, 2015 11:02 AM (+Jpqc)
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To my mind the GOP and conservatives would be stupid to do nothing but insult and write off the low information-celebrity culture people
But you just did.
I guess us in-bred cousin humpers just ain't good enough.
But you just did.
I guess us in-bred cousin humpers just ain't good enough.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2015 11:02 AM (UYkjZ)
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the low information-celebrity culture people Trump has looking at the GOP race right now
#civility
#civility
Posted by: some random meathead at August 14, 2015 11:02 AM (Yrjee)
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I don't give a damn about Trump.
All I want is for the GOPe to know that they will LOSE THEIR JOBS for spitting in our faces. If Democrats get elected in the process, so be it.
All I want is for the GOPe to know that they will LOSE THEIR JOBS for spitting in our faces. If Democrats get elected in the process, so be it.
Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at August 14, 2015 11:03 AM (SCcgT)
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Well...we do preach tolerance of opinion, unless you're fvcking crazy.
Well...we do preach tolerance of opinion, unless you're fvcking crazy.
Posted by: GBruno at August 14, 2015 11:03 AM (u49WF)
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San Dimas High School Football Rules!!!!
Posted by: Ynot you say at August 14, 2015 11:03 AM (TFWFz)
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the low information-celebrity culture people Trump has looking at the GOP race right now
#civility
#fvckthegope
#civility
#fvckthegope
Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2015 11:04 AM (UYkjZ)
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Sheesh Drew! How long was that piece before your editors got to it!
Posted by: MTF at August 14, 2015 11:04 AM (TxJGV)
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My approach is I am sick of hearing about it. No matter what your opinion - pro or against, dont sare it with me.
My approach is I am sick of hearing about it. No matter what your opinion - pro or against, dont sare it with me.
Posted by: Wang With a Wang! at August 14, 2015 11:05 AM (iQIUe)
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sare = share
Posted by: Wang With a Wang! at August 14, 2015 11:05 AM (iQIUe)
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Yeah, I know I beat you. But if you don't get back in the car I'll beat you some more and that loser you're seeing now, too.
Posted by: The GOP, Your Abusive Ex-Husband at August 14, 2015 11:05 AM (oVJmc)
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Driving down I66 yesterday saw a contractor pickup truck (guessing by the racks and ladders and tools on board) with a big homemade Trump for President sign on the side.
One of my moms best friends who I see on FB and is an old lady in Florida and pretty much apolitical LOVES Trump.
People who don't really give a crap about politicians and doc fixes and revenue bill origination care about Trump.
One of my moms best friends who I see on FB and is an old lady in Florida and pretty much apolitical LOVES Trump.
People who don't really give a crap about politicians and doc fixes and revenue bill origination care about Trump.
Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2015 11:06 AM (2Ocf1)
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On Trump, I generally agree but you're missing a great opportunity to ask what Trump can teach Republican candidates.
He handles the media like a fucking boss. And given the Propaganda Press bias issue, GOPers really could start taking some lessons from the master while there is time.
He handles the media like a fucking boss. And given the Propaganda Press bias issue, GOPers really could start taking some lessons from the master while there is time.
Posted by: MTF at August 14, 2015 11:06 AM (TxJGV)
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Trump is a godsend to political writers.
Posted by: SH at August 14, 2015 11:06 AM (gmeXX)
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Some strange psychological phenomenon going on with these constant, windy expatiating on Donald Trump. I think it says a hell of a lot more about those with their panties in a bunch about him than it does about those supporting him.
Posted by: rrpjr at August 14, 2015 11:07 AM (s/yC1)
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I'm just so POed at ALL politicions and political parties that do nothing but enrich themselves and lie to us. So, yeah, Trump, rip them All up!
I'm praying for the SMOD.
I'm just so POed at ALL politicions and political parties that do nothing but enrich themselves and lie to us. So, yeah, Trump, rip them All up!
I'm praying for the SMOD.
Posted by: Kafiroon at August 14, 2015 11:07 AM (XC73B)
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Trump is neither the problem nor the solution. He's the symptom of a party out of touch with it's constituency.
Posted by: Grump928(c)
This needs to be put on billboards and bumper stickers all over the country.
The leadership/management of the Republican Party is absolutely committed to several ideas, among which is amnesty and letting all the illegals stay. And several other somewhat noxious neo-Democrat ideas.
I really don't know what Trump would do, but at least he took a stand and is taking hits from the others about it.
Illumination.
Posted by: Grump928(c)
This needs to be put on billboards and bumper stickers all over the country.
The leadership/management of the Republican Party is absolutely committed to several ideas, among which is amnesty and letting all the illegals stay. And several other somewhat noxious neo-Democrat ideas.
I really don't know what Trump would do, but at least he took a stand and is taking hits from the others about it.
Illumination.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at August 14, 2015 11:07 AM (+1T7c)
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First off, I am no longer a republican, though I may be a constitutional republican. If that makes me Tea Party or little 'l' libertarian, then so be it. I have said before that Trump is a dealmaker more than anything else. He has made his deal with 'somebody' to hand this election to whatever democrat ends up running. He will go down in history as a modern day Ross Perot. This does not mean that Ross Perot was or is a bad person. Perot was twice the man and many times more American than Trump in my opinion. But the facts seem to point to Perot giving the election to the Clintons in 92. By the way, I voted for G.H.W. Bush in that one. As a matter of fact, the only democrats I ever voted for were Carter in 76 (too much Allman Brothers or Boone's Farm or something) and Ralph Hall. As it is now, I intend to vote for Cruz no matter who the nominees are.
Posted by: Eromero at August 14, 2015 11:08 AM (go5uR)
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Can you please update that piece to half its present length? Maybe a quarter? PIXY is running out of server disc space.
Posted by: MTF at August 14, 2015 11:08 AM (TxJGV)
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I think it says a hell of a lot more about those with their panties in a bunch about him than it does about those supporting him.
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Agreed.
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Agreed.
Posted by: SH at August 14, 2015 11:08 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Ynot you say at August 14, 2015 11:08 AM (TFWFz)
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So tired of the projecting of racism. "Not our type of people darling."
Posted by: JROD at August 14, 2015 11:08 AM (wnwJC)
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Some strange psychological phenomenon going on with these constant,
windy expatiating on Donald Trump. I think it says a hell of a lot more
about those with their panties in a bunch about him than it does about
those supporting him.
Posted by: rrpjr
Illumination.
Some strange psychological phenomenon going on with these constant,
windy expatiating on Donald Trump. I think it says a hell of a lot more
about those with their panties in a bunch about him than it does about
those supporting him.
Posted by: rrpjr
Illumination.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at August 14, 2015 11:08 AM (+1T7c)
Posted by: Yo! at August 14, 2015 11:09 AM (W6iIX)
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Me, I'm interested in Trump as a blunt instrument with which to bludgeon the GOPe to death. So I'm unlikely to be the best yardstick here.
That being said.
Lots of Trump folks in the South. Lots of black Trump folks in the South.
Something's going on here, something I hadn't figured on originally. It's not just us disaffected renegades he's resonating with. There's a few different strains of what they might have once called common folk that are liking what they are seeing and hearing.
That being said.
Lots of Trump folks in the South. Lots of black Trump folks in the South.
Something's going on here, something I hadn't figured on originally. It's not just us disaffected renegades he's resonating with. There's a few different strains of what they might have once called common folk that are liking what they are seeing and hearing.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 14, 2015 11:09 AM (2l5vw)
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Trump will be like Perot. He'll raise the hood and fix it. Whatever that means.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 14, 2015 11:09 AM (W5DcG)
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Or is he the new Dick Morris?
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Now that I think about it, they both lack what we call a neck.
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Now that I think about it, they both lack what we call a neck.
Posted by: SH at August 14, 2015 11:10 AM (gmeXX)
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By the time November and December roll around people will start thinking, "Am I really going to do this?" My bet is the answer is, no.
I don't think you appreciate just how angry I am at the GOPe. It has been building in fits and starts since Reagan left. Reagan! At the presidential level, this is an election for spite. If the GOPe doubles down, my spite moves further down the ticket.
Maybe I'm the only one.
I don't think you appreciate just how angry I am at the GOPe. It has been building in fits and starts since Reagan left. Reagan! At the presidential level, this is an election for spite. If the GOPe doubles down, my spite moves further down the ticket.
Maybe I'm the only one.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 14, 2015 11:10 AM (1CroS)
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Trump is a boot to the Boehner/McConnell balls. If Boehner and McConnell were doing their jobs, there'd be no room for Trump.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 14, 2015 11:10 AM (XUKZU)
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It's like this.
We don't like LIVs. Who cares if they vote?
They smell.
We prefer nice people, civil people, smart people.
Our people
Much easier to twist words , lie publicly , and play our second place role in Failure Theater.
First runner up ? Gets almost exactly as much pork and donor cash as First Place. WITHOUT THE HASSLE!
Vote (R) . Or don't. Who cares.
/GOP
We don't like LIVs. Who cares if they vote?
They smell.
We prefer nice people, civil people, smart people.
Our people
Much easier to twist words , lie publicly , and play our second place role in Failure Theater.
First runner up ? Gets almost exactly as much pork and donor cash as First Place. WITHOUT THE HASSLE!
Vote (R) . Or don't. Who cares.
/GOP
Posted by: some random meathead at August 14, 2015 11:10 AM (Yrjee)
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Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2015 11:02 AM (UYkjZ)
I think that there are two competing issues here.
Trump is clearly tapping into anger at the GOP. Hell....I love that they are in a panic.
But....while Trump's position on violent illegals is exactly correct, his positions on most other important conservative issues are way off base.
Gun control
Kelo
Health care
Amnesty
So....may I please enjoy the butt-hurt that Trump is causing the GOP while still rejecting his overall political philosophy?
I think that there are two competing issues here.
Trump is clearly tapping into anger at the GOP. Hell....I love that they are in a panic.
But....while Trump's position on violent illegals is exactly correct, his positions on most other important conservative issues are way off base.
Gun control
Kelo
Health care
Amnesty
So....may I please enjoy the butt-hurt that Trump is causing the GOP while still rejecting his overall political philosophy?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 14, 2015 11:10 AM (Zu3d9)
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DREWM YOU EVIL RINO!!!1!!11111!!!
Sorry. Good points. I do agree that Trump is best as a blunt instrument and a weapon against both the media and the political establishment.
DREWM YOU EVIL RINO!!!1!!11111!!!
Sorry. Good points. I do agree that Trump is best as a blunt instrument and a weapon against both the media and the political establishment.
Posted by: lurkingestlurker-Giant Plush Porcupine with REAL, YUUUGE QUILLS at August 14, 2015 11:11 AM (k8xvx)
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While I have no intention of putting a 1%er who see no problem with greasing the skids with donations to both sides .. every side in return for future "favors" (isn't that what is corrupting government ?) ...
I must say that Trumps has taken the narrative away from the MSM.
If Trump were not in this race we would now be on the 87th story about some slight of the LGBTQIAxyz community .. or the next BLM (Bureau of Land Management) story.
I must say that Trumps has taken the narrative away from the MSM.
If Trump were not in this race we would now be on the 87th story about some slight of the LGBTQIAxyz community .. or the next BLM (Bureau of Land Management) story.
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at August 14, 2015 11:11 AM (e8kgV)
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"I think it says a hell of a lot more about those with their panties in a bunch about [Trump] ..." Exactly! Look at PJ O'Rourke's column today. O'Rourke used to be a brilliant and vicious satirist, but today he uses lazy lame-o Trump _hair_ jokes at least _four_ separate times in one column. And K Williamson at NR has revealed his inner elitist several times now kicking Trump.
Posted by: gp at August 14, 2015 11:11 AM (+Jpqc)
Posted by: Ynot you say at August 14, 2015 11:11 AM (TFWFz)
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Posted by: some random meathead at August 14, 2015 11:10 AM (Yrjee)
Are you wearing blue jeans?
Because if you are wearing blue jeans I categorically reject everything you say.
Are you wearing blue jeans?
Because if you are wearing blue jeans I categorically reject everything you say.
Posted by: George Will at August 14, 2015 11:12 AM (Zu3d9)
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So....may I please enjoy the butt-hurt that Trump is causing the GOP while still rejecting his overall political philosophy?
Exactly.
Exactly.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2015 11:12 AM (UYkjZ)
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Trump is the new Perot, or wherever.
Posted by: Ynot you say at August 14, 2015 11:12 AM (TFWFz)
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I will say the loud and obnoxious online racist types are probably the
smallest of the cohort even if they are the most in your face if you
live online.
gee, thanks.
And Weirddave's posts get yanked ?
Crazy world.
smallest of the cohort even if they are the most in your face if you
live online.
gee, thanks.
And Weirddave's posts get yanked ?
Crazy world.
Posted by: some random meathead at August 14, 2015 11:12 AM (Yrjee)
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Lots of Trump folks in the South. Lots of black Trump folks in the South.
Posted by: Brother Cavi
This group of Black Americans are not necessarily on board with the Mexican Invasion.
The GOPe does not quite fathom why there is such a resistance to the Mexican Invasion. We constantly hear why we should embrace this, for several idiotic reasons.
Posted by: Brother Cavi
This group of Black Americans are not necessarily on board with the Mexican Invasion.
The GOPe does not quite fathom why there is such a resistance to the Mexican Invasion. We constantly hear why we should embrace this, for several idiotic reasons.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at August 14, 2015 11:12 AM (+1T7c)
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The GOP survived the Summer of Cain and Bachmann, it'll survive the Summer of Trump.
That's depressing as hell. DIAF GOP.
That's depressing as hell. DIAF GOP.
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at August 14, 2015 11:13 AM (ktt8p)
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30 Has Frank Luntz had many spots on Fox this week?
I don't know, but Gawd, how I loathe his panels of dunces who appear to be barely capable of working the knobs and levers of their polling device during events, much less forming a cogent opinion about what was being said.
30 Has Frank Luntz had many spots on Fox this week?
I don't know, but Gawd, how I loathe his panels of dunces who appear to be barely capable of working the knobs and levers of their polling device during events, much less forming a cogent opinion about what was being said.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 14, 2015 11:13 AM (BK3ZS)
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Cruz is the one.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 14, 2015 11:13 AM (evdj2)
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"Remember how in 2012 Romney "hit his numbers" but lost because Obama found new voters? "
__________
Huh? In 2012 Obama got fewer voters than he did in 2008 and Romney got more voters than McCain did in 2008.
Obama beat McCain by 10M and beat Romney by 5M votes. Obama didn't find any new voters, Romney just didn't take enough away from him.
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Huh? In 2012 Obama got fewer voters than he did in 2008 and Romney got more voters than McCain did in 2008.
Obama beat McCain by 10M and beat Romney by 5M votes. Obama didn't find any new voters, Romney just didn't take enough away from him.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 11:13 AM (0LHZx)
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>>So....may I please enjoy the butt-hurt that Trump is causing the GOP while still rejecting his overall political philosophy?
Pretty much where I am. Useful right now but that's about it.
Pretty much where I am. Useful right now but that's about it.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 14, 2015 11:14 AM (OGm46)
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Because if you are wearing blue jeans I categorically reject everything you say.
Posted by: George Will
So you won't blow me?
Yes. I'm wearing blue jeans.
Posted by: George Will
So you won't blow me?
Yes. I'm wearing blue jeans.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2015 11:14 AM (UYkjZ)
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You know... the same exact people who throw hissy fits every time a general election comes around saying "YOU HAVE TO SUPPORT OUR MODERATE RINO CANDIDATE OR YOU HATE AMERICA!!!! WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU WONT VOTE? YOU WANT A SOCIALIST TO WIN!?!?!" are the ones saying "FUCK the GOP front runner! I will never support him under any circumstances. And fuck his supporters in particular."
Strange, isn't it.
Strange, isn't it.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 14, 2015 11:14 AM (AkOaV)
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I have been a conservative Republican for my entire life. Now, because I support Trump, I am considered outside the party.
I think that the country is so bad now that we need someone who is actually going to do something. Putting in some guy who is slightly less progressive than Hillary is not going to cut it.
Trump is far from perfect, but he at least will do something. Jeb! or Rubio will just make the decline happen more slowly.
I think that the country is so bad now that we need someone who is actually going to do something. Putting in some guy who is slightly less progressive than Hillary is not going to cut it.
Trump is far from perfect, but he at least will do something. Jeb! or Rubio will just make the decline happen more slowly.
Posted by: Michael Sebastian at August 14, 2015 11:14 AM (NqOc2)
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fathom why there is such a resistance to the Mexican Invasion
.......
Isn't it more like a colonization?
fathom why there is such a resistance to the Mexican Invasion
.......
Isn't it more like a colonization?
Posted by: Yo! at August 14, 2015 11:15 AM (W6iIX)
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O/T because I got willowed and because we need pictures of pretty girls:
There is an Italian phrase what my old girlfriend taught me and what I have forgotten, but with help it might have been bocca di pompino. Blowjob mouth.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at August 14, 2015 10:54 AM (JtwS4)
Like Clara Bow?
http://goo.gl/7iOBzu
Now to go back and read Drew's post.
There is an Italian phrase what my old girlfriend taught me and what I have forgotten, but with help it might have been bocca di pompino. Blowjob mouth.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, Team Lefty and Scamp at August 14, 2015 10:54 AM (JtwS4)
Like Clara Bow?
http://goo.gl/7iOBzu
Now to go back and read Drew's post.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 14, 2015 11:15 AM (zF6Iw)
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And K Williamson at NR has revealed his inner elitist several times now kicking Trump.
Yeah. But Kevin Williamson is still worth four molting libs like that foreign squish Cooke.
Yeah. But Kevin Williamson is still worth four molting libs like that foreign squish Cooke.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 14, 2015 11:15 AM (evdj2)
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"49 Lots of Trump folks in the South. Lots of black Trump folks in the South. "
__________
Is there any documented polling that backs this up? Even if true, you know very well when it's Hillary vs. Trump these "black Trump folks" will go 95% for Hillary.
Let's not kid ourselves.
__________
Is there any documented polling that backs this up? Even if true, you know very well when it's Hillary vs. Trump these "black Trump folks" will go 95% for Hillary.
Let's not kid ourselves.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 11:15 AM (0LHZx)
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So....may I please enjoy the butt-hurt that Trump is causing the GOP while still rejecting his overall political philosophy?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 14, 2015 11:10 AM (Zu3d9)
NO, you Trumptard, inbred, pickup-truck-humping, cousin-driving, toothless, banjo-picking, meth-cooking, shanty-dwelling fellator of blue tick hounds!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 14, 2015 11:10 AM (Zu3d9)
NO, you Trumptard, inbred, pickup-truck-humping, cousin-driving, toothless, banjo-picking, meth-cooking, shanty-dwelling fellator of blue tick hounds!
Posted by: Insomniac at August 14, 2015 11:15 AM (2Ojst)
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So....may I please enjoy the butt-hurt that Trump is causing the GOP while still rejecting his overall political philosophy?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
He has time to clarify on a lot of issues, and become a more polished and disciplined candidate. Not flying off the handle at the Hairy Reasoners in the Media.
If he does that, he could ride through the primaries. If he does not, he will burn out as people get tired of the bombast.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
He has time to clarify on a lot of issues, and become a more polished and disciplined candidate. Not flying off the handle at the Hairy Reasoners in the Media.
If he does that, he could ride through the primaries. If he does not, he will burn out as people get tired of the bombast.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at August 14, 2015 11:16 AM (+1T7c)
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My support for Trump is in the moment. He is useful RIGHT NOW. He likely won't be later, but for NOW, let him upend the apple cart.
The establishment has its selection. The only thing that can prevent that is upheaval now.
The establishment has its selection. The only thing that can prevent that is upheaval now.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 14, 2015 11:16 AM (oVJmc)
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37 YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE !! I know trump is a dork but I am so pissed at the repiglickers I just dont give a shit
Posted by: alec at August 14, 2015 11:16 AM (WD1+K)
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Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 11:13 AM (0LHZx)
Black turnout was up (proportionally) and even though Romney won every demographic he "had to win" (people making $50k+ a year, independents, college grads, etc etc etc -- you know the groups the consultants all say we need to win to win the election) he lost.
As David Plouffe said, the O campaign came to the conclusion there was no "middle" in american politics and that it was completely a turn out game.
So they micro targeted, started a war on women, and told black people Romney would "put them back in chains" and voila -- Obama re-elected, even with Romney winning every group he "had to win"
Black turnout was up (proportionally) and even though Romney won every demographic he "had to win" (people making $50k+ a year, independents, college grads, etc etc etc -- you know the groups the consultants all say we need to win to win the election) he lost.
As David Plouffe said, the O campaign came to the conclusion there was no "middle" in american politics and that it was completely a turn out game.
So they micro targeted, started a war on women, and told black people Romney would "put them back in chains" and voila -- Obama re-elected, even with Romney winning every group he "had to win"
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 14, 2015 11:16 AM (AkOaV)
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NO, you Trumptard, inbred, pickup-truck-humping, cousin-driving, toothless, banjo-picking, meth-cooking, shanty-dwelling fellator of blue tick hounds!
Posted by: Insomniac
You best say that with respect.
Posted by: Insomniac
You best say that with respect.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2015 11:17 AM (UYkjZ)
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at August 14, 2015 11:17 AM (ktt8p)
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49 Lots of Trump folks in the South. Lots of black Trump folks in the South. "
I have seen this. A lot.
I have seen this. A lot.
Posted by: some random meathead at August 14, 2015 11:17 AM (Yrjee)
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51: Frank Luntz is a two bit phoney. Should be hangin with Glen"Lunatic"Beck. And eff the GOPe and Jeb.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at August 14, 2015 11:17 AM (ucDmr)
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Good piece, Drew. Well thought out.
I would say that the Cruz campaign has been using your strategy to woo Trump supporters all along.
I would say that the Cruz campaign has been using your strategy to woo Trump supporters all along.
Posted by: aquaviva at August 14, 2015 11:18 AM (gWEvp)
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You best say that with respect.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2015 11:17 AM (UYkjZ)
Oh sure, goes without saying.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2015 11:17 AM (UYkjZ)
Oh sure, goes without saying.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 14, 2015 11:18 AM (2Ojst)
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Read the link in my nic. It goes to Gateway Pundit and quotes George Will as saying that anybody who votes for Trump is trash and not wanted in the GOPe, so apparently the GOPe takes the election rather seriously.
Posted by: Chilling the most at August 14, 2015 11:18 AM (zW5rQ)
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You know who talks about discarding voters? Losing campaigns.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 14, 2015 11:19 AM (evdj2)
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NO, you Trumptard, inbred, pickup-truck-humping, cousin-driving,
toothless, banjo-picking, meth-cooking, shanty-dwelling fellator of blue
tick hounds!
Posted by: Insomniac
You forgot sister-raping.
toothless, banjo-picking, meth-cooking, shanty-dwelling fellator of blue
tick hounds!
Posted by: Insomniac
You forgot sister-raping.
Posted by: AOSHQ Style Guide at August 14, 2015 11:19 AM (Yrjee)
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Can you please update that piece to half its present length? Maybe a quarter? PIXY is running out of server disc space.
Posted by: MTF at August 14, 2015 11:08 AM
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I've been doing a little "spring cleaning" and now have plenty of room on mine you can use.
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Can you please update that piece to half its present length? Maybe a quarter? PIXY is running out of server disc space.
Posted by: MTF at August 14, 2015 11:08 AM
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I've been doing a little "spring cleaning" and now have plenty of room on mine you can use.
Posted by: HRC at August 14, 2015 11:19 AM (pMGkg)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 14, 2015 11:19 AM (Zu3d9)
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Posted by: mynewhandle at August 14, 2015 11:14 AM (AkOaV)
That's always been the case. The elite have always used electability as an excuse.
That's always been the case. The elite have always used electability as an excuse.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 14, 2015 11:20 AM (j2FM9)
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Some strange psychological phenomenon going on with these constant, windy expatiating on Donald Trump. I think it says a hell of a lot more about those with their panties in a bunch about him than it does about those supporting him.
Posted by: rrpjr at August 14, 2015 11:07 AM (s/yC1)
Indeed. As a non-American, and therefore without a vote (being also non-Mexican), I don't have skin in the game, other than not wishing to see our great neighbor to the South become a socialist cesspool, just as we ourselves are trying to climb out of one.
Trump has all the right enemies.
Posted by: rrpjr at August 14, 2015 11:07 AM (s/yC1)
Indeed. As a non-American, and therefore without a vote (being also non-Mexican), I don't have skin in the game, other than not wishing to see our great neighbor to the South become a socialist cesspool, just as we ourselves are trying to climb out of one.
Trump has all the right enemies.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 14, 2015 11:20 AM (tQwIz)
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22 On Trump, I generally agree but you're missing a great opportunity to ask what Trump can teach Republican candidates.
He handles the media like a fucking boss. And given the Propaganda Press bias issue, GOPers really could start taking some lessons from the master while there is time.
Posted by: MTF at August 14, 2015 11:06 AM (TxJGV)
THIS.
He handles the media like a fucking boss. And given the Propaganda Press bias issue, GOPers really could start taking some lessons from the master while there is time.
Posted by: MTF at August 14, 2015 11:06 AM (TxJGV)
THIS.
Posted by: HairyPockets at August 14, 2015 11:21 AM (FGZtn)
Posted by: Dirty Randy at August 14, 2015 11:21 AM (jjaLl)
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I love Clara Bow. It's astonishing that all four of her feature films of 1928 are lost. At the top of her career. I want to get a big poster of that scene in Wings where she's driving the ambulance.
Posted by: gp at August 14, 2015 11:21 AM (+Jpqc)
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Whut? I don't get it. Missing sarc tag?
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at August 14, 2015 11:17 AM (ktt8p)
No, what's there to get?
Go back and re-read Erick^2 in 2012 when conservatives were bitching about Romney.
Now he disinvited the GOP front runner from his little get together and has gone on a warpath against everyone who has "supported the trump momentum".
And that's true of virtually everyone else in the right-leaning media.
It's really something to behold.
I was told I was being unAmerican and didn't care about peoples kids' futures when I sat out 2012. Now the same people who insulted me and yelled at me are refusing to support the front runner in the R primaries, and have excommunicated him from polite society.
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at August 14, 2015 11:17 AM (ktt8p)
No, what's there to get?
Go back and re-read Erick^2 in 2012 when conservatives were bitching about Romney.
Now he disinvited the GOP front runner from his little get together and has gone on a warpath against everyone who has "supported the trump momentum".
And that's true of virtually everyone else in the right-leaning media.
It's really something to behold.
I was told I was being unAmerican and didn't care about peoples kids' futures when I sat out 2012. Now the same people who insulted me and yelled at me are refusing to support the front runner in the R primaries, and have excommunicated him from polite society.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 14, 2015 11:21 AM (AkOaV)
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The GOPe does not quite fathom why there is such a resistance to the Mexican Invasion. We constantly hear why we should embrace this, for several idiotic reasons.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...
They should all be conservatives because they are Catholic. Just like the new conservative Pope.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...
They should all be conservatives because they are Catholic. Just like the new conservative Pope.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 14, 2015 11:21 AM (W5DcG)
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Obama didn't find any new voters, Romney just didn't take enough away from him.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 11:13 AM (0LHZx)
See?
This is why people think you are a booger-eating mouth-breather.
Check the turnout for Blacks in 2008 and 2012 compared to previous elections, then get back to us.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 11:13 AM (0LHZx)
See?
This is why people think you are a booger-eating mouth-breather.
Check the turnout for Blacks in 2008 and 2012 compared to previous elections, then get back to us.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 14, 2015 11:22 AM (Zu3d9)
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So....may I please enjoy the butt-hurt that Trump is causing the GOP while still rejecting his overall political philosophy?
I think that's the default position for the HQ, to be honest.
I think that's the default position for the HQ, to be honest.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 14, 2015 11:22 AM (S+N7W)
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Like Clara Bow? http://goo.gl/7iOBzu
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 14, 2015 11:15 AM (zF6Iw)
You better believe it, pal.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 14, 2015 11:15 AM (zF6Iw)
You better believe it, pal.
Posted by: Zombie Jack Dempsey, Highly Gratified Former Heavyweight Champ Of The World at August 14, 2015 11:22 AM (Bvf82)
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So they micro targeted, started a war on women, and
told black people Romney would "put them back in chains" and voila --
Obama re-elected, even with Romney winning every group he "had to win"
Posted by: mynewhandle
The "microtargeting" by research, etc. is a good story. Maybe it is true. Maybe it is just a cover for rigging the vote in a lot of minority districts in big cities/urban areas.
There was not a great amount of enthusiasm for Obama prior to the 2012 election.
There was an Obama campaign rally in Cleveland just before the election in 2012, with Stevie Wonder as the featured performer. The response was tepid. Yet they had high turnout in minority precincts. It doesn't work that way.
Something really smells about all of this.
told black people Romney would "put them back in chains" and voila --
Obama re-elected, even with Romney winning every group he "had to win"
Posted by: mynewhandle
The "microtargeting" by research, etc. is a good story. Maybe it is true. Maybe it is just a cover for rigging the vote in a lot of minority districts in big cities/urban areas.
There was not a great amount of enthusiasm for Obama prior to the 2012 election.
There was an Obama campaign rally in Cleveland just before the election in 2012, with Stevie Wonder as the featured performer. The response was tepid. Yet they had high turnout in minority precincts. It doesn't work that way.
Something really smells about all of this.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at August 14, 2015 11:22 AM (+1T7c)
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I will DEFINITELY vote for Trump if he publicly punches out those two loudmouth protestors who shut down Bernie Sanders. I would pay $100 to watch that.
Posted by: gp at August 14, 2015 11:23 AM (+Jpqc)
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I don't think you appreciate just how angry I am at the GOPe. It has been building in fits and starts since Reagan left. Reagan! At the presidential level, this is an election for spite. If the GOPe doubles down, my spite moves further down the ticket.
Maybe I'm the only one.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 14, 2015 11:10 AM (1CroS)
You aren't. AFAIC, if Cruz isn't on the ticket, I don't vote. !Jeb or some other piece of RINO shit, I vote Democrat full ticket.
Maybe I'm the only one.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 14, 2015 11:10 AM (1CroS)
You aren't. AFAIC, if Cruz isn't on the ticket, I don't vote. !Jeb or some other piece of RINO shit, I vote Democrat full ticket.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 14, 2015 11:23 AM (zF6Iw)
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People like Trump because he's a brawler not because he has any real substance to the problems of this nation. I happen to dig that as well but also because he's forcing the other candidates out of their comfort zone. Hell another debate and I think Rand is gonna blow a f'n gasket.
Posted by: HairyPockets at August 14, 2015 11:23 AM (FGZtn)
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Black turnout was up (proportionally) and even though Romney won every demographic he "had to win" (people making $50k+ a year, independents, college grads, etc etc etc -- you know the groups the consultants all say we need to win to win the election) he lost.
As David Plouffe said, the O campaign came to the conclusion there was no "middle" in american politics and that it was completely a turn out game.
So they micro targeted, started a war on women, and told black people Romney would "put them back in chains" and voila -- Obama re-elected, even with Romney winning every group he "had to win"
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 14, 2015 11:16 AM (AkOaV)
___________
I see what you're saying but I don't buy that he turned out his base better the second time around. How many blacks didn't vote for him in 2008 and voted for him in 2012?
Both 2008 and 2012 proved that the right Democrat can win pretty much no matter what. And that why I think Hillary will win as well since she too is a "right" type of Democrat. Put up a non-white guy as the candidate and he/she will win. End of story.
As David Plouffe said, the O campaign came to the conclusion there was no "middle" in american politics and that it was completely a turn out game.
So they micro targeted, started a war on women, and told black people Romney would "put them back in chains" and voila -- Obama re-elected, even with Romney winning every group he "had to win"
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 14, 2015 11:16 AM (AkOaV)
___________
I see what you're saying but I don't buy that he turned out his base better the second time around. How many blacks didn't vote for him in 2008 and voted for him in 2012?
Both 2008 and 2012 proved that the right Democrat can win pretty much no matter what. And that why I think Hillary will win as well since she too is a "right" type of Democrat. Put up a non-white guy as the candidate and he/she will win. End of story.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 11:24 AM (0LHZx)
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You'll be hearing from our lawyers.
Posted by: Booger-Eating Mouth-Breathers at August 14, 2015 11:24 AM (Yrjee)
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89 I will DEFINITELY vote for Trump if he publicly punches out those two loudmouth protestors who shut down Bernie Sanders. I would pay $100 to watch that.
Posted by: gp at August 14, 2015 11:23 AM (+Jpqc)
It wouldn't be Trump, it would probably be a guy with an Italian last name who wears a suit all the time.
Posted by: gp at August 14, 2015 11:23 AM (+Jpqc)
It wouldn't be Trump, it would probably be a guy with an Italian last name who wears a suit all the time.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 14, 2015 11:25 AM (j2FM9)
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64 Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 14, 2015 11:16 AM (oVJmc)
Exactly. It's obvious that Trump being there flusters some of the establishment guys like Jeb. Hopefully he keeps them off their game. And that in turn lets the message of better candidates like Fiorina Cruz to come through and get more attention.
Exactly. It's obvious that Trump being there flusters some of the establishment guys like Jeb. Hopefully he keeps them off their game. And that in turn lets the message of better candidates like Fiorina Cruz to come through and get more attention.
Posted by: Mayn at August 14, 2015 11:25 AM (NSy0M)
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Only through rigid conformity and lockstep thinking can we possibly have a 1% chance of winning.
-GOP
My impression is that the racist cohort driving Trump is at best 1%, if even that.
From what I've seen, it's far, far more disaffected conservatives tired of being a doormat for GOPe.
-GOP
My impression is that the racist cohort driving Trump is at best 1%, if even that.
From what I've seen, it's far, far more disaffected conservatives tired of being a doormat for GOPe.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 14, 2015 11:25 AM (oFCZn)
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On Bennett this morning they played a contrast and compare between Kasich and Trump responding to Black Lives Matter taking over Sanders' mike. Kasich was all "I don't want to create a wedge issue." Trump was "It shows how weak Sanders is. That will never happen to me."
This is why Trump is doing so well.
This is why Trump is doing so well.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 14, 2015 11:25 AM (XUKZU)
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front runner in the R primaries
Sorry, had a senior moment there. Now if Jeb was the front runner and you go back and read #56 it reads completely different.
Sorry, had a senior moment there. Now if Jeb was the front runner and you go back and read #56 it reads completely different.
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at August 14, 2015 11:25 AM (ktt8p)
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Clearly a great deal of the vitriol being heaped on Trump supporters is due to the shortcomings of the preferred candidate(s) of the vitriol heapers.
If Cruz wasn't so... [fill in the blank] they wouldn't be blaming the Trumplegangers of ruining Cruz's campaign.
If Jeb! actually had balls and a spine (I filled in that blank just fine, thank you), then Trump's extreme ballziness wouldn't be an issue.
Your view/candidate and his or her shortcomings may vary.
If Cruz wasn't so... [fill in the blank] they wouldn't be blaming the Trumplegangers of ruining Cruz's campaign.
If Jeb! actually had balls and a spine (I filled in that blank just fine, thank you), then Trump's extreme ballziness wouldn't be an issue.
Your view/candidate and his or her shortcomings may vary.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2015 11:26 AM (TOk1P)
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I recently read the article below; it says Perot didn't hand the WH to Clinton, just made his margin of victory smaller... I always thought the opposite, but the article kinda makes sense. If it is true, then maybe a third-party Trump bid would actually be a good thing?
http://tinyurl.com/oogfmxc
http://tinyurl.com/oogfmxc
Posted by: Dirty Randy at August 14, 2015 11:26 AM (jjaLl)
Posted by: Count de Monet at August 14, 2015 11:26 AM (JO9+V)
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You forgot sister-raping.
Posted by: AOSHQ Style Guide at August 14, 2015 11:19 AM (Yrjee)
And mother-stabbing.
And father-raping.
And the Group W bench.
Posted by: AOSHQ Style Guide at August 14, 2015 11:19 AM (Yrjee)
And mother-stabbing.
And father-raping.
And the Group W bench.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 14, 2015 11:26 AM (zF6Iw)
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There was an Obama campaign rally in Cleveland just before the election in 2012, with Stevie Wonder as the featured performer. The response was tepid. Yet they had high turnout in minority precincts. It doesn't work that way.
Something really smells about all of this.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at August 14, 2015 11:22 AM (+1T7c)
__________
And Romney had 40K showing up for his rallies in Philadelphia too and lost the Philly suburbs. Rally attendance doesn't mean shit.
Obama beat Romney by 5M votes nationally. And as good as Dems are at finding votes in trunks, they're not good enough to find 5M extra votes.
Something really smells about all of this.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at August 14, 2015 11:22 AM (+1T7c)
__________
And Romney had 40K showing up for his rallies in Philadelphia too and lost the Philly suburbs. Rally attendance doesn't mean shit.
Obama beat Romney by 5M votes nationally. And as good as Dems are at finding votes in trunks, they're not good enough to find 5M extra votes.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 11:26 AM (0LHZx)
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So....may I please enjoy the butt-hurt that Trump is causing the GOP while still rejecting his overall political philosophy?
NOOOOooooOOOOooooOOOOoo!!11!!!1!!
NOOOOooooOOOOooooOOOOoo!!11!!!1!!
Posted by: Erick Erickson at August 14, 2015 11:26 AM (Yrjee)
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Posted by: Chilling the most at August 14, 2015 11:18 AM (zW5rQ)
So the supporters of the Republican front runner are "trash"?
Also, this is a great line: "A political party has a right to ... secure its borders," asserts the Post's George Will ("figuratively of course. Literal borders are racist." he added -- well, I added that part but he was thinking it)
Again, i thought we had to always support the R front runner because, party unity.
I didn't realize it was okay to excommunicate parts of the R party because we dislike the candidate they support.
So the supporters of the Republican front runner are "trash"?
Also, this is a great line: "A political party has a right to ... secure its borders," asserts the Post's George Will ("figuratively of course. Literal borders are racist." he added -- well, I added that part but he was thinking it)
Again, i thought we had to always support the R front runner because, party unity.
I didn't realize it was okay to excommunicate parts of the R party because we dislike the candidate they support.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 14, 2015 11:27 AM (AkOaV)
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Ann Coulter is a dumb scrunt.
Cooke nailed it.. Trump is making this shit up as he goes along.. go look at his web page.. DonaldTrump.com
Take a look at his policies/issues page.. oh wait.. he doesn't have one..
He does have a "Shop" page where you can buy all things Trump.. the man is a carney barker..
Cooke nailed it.. Trump is making this shit up as he goes along.. go look at his web page.. DonaldTrump.com
Take a look at his policies/issues page.. oh wait.. he doesn't have one..
He does have a "Shop" page where you can buy all things Trump.. the man is a carney barker..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 14, 2015 11:27 AM (so+oy)
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Exactly. It's obvious that Trump being there
flusters some of the establishment guys like Jeb. Hopefully he keeps
them off their game. And that in turn lets the message of better
candidates like Fiorina Cruz to come through and get more attention.
Posted by: Mayn
Jeb Bush is easily flustered because he is an entitled dork.
A mouth breathing booger eater.
(a new AoS meme is born, thanks to CBD)
flusters some of the establishment guys like Jeb. Hopefully he keeps
them off their game. And that in turn lets the message of better
candidates like Fiorina Cruz to come through and get more attention.
Posted by: Mayn
Jeb Bush is easily flustered because he is an entitled dork.
A mouth breathing booger eater.
(a new AoS meme is born, thanks to CBD)
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at August 14, 2015 11:27 AM (+1T7c)
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So....may I please enjoy the butt-hurt that Trump is causing the GOP while still rejecting his overall political philosophy?
Trump makes my pee-pee hurt.
Trump makes my pee-pee hurt.
Posted by: George WIll at August 14, 2015 11:27 AM (Yrjee)
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Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 14, 2015 11:10 AM
Not the only one.
I started, years ago, as a Democrat, but changed as soon as I realized I was voting for Republican candidates and policies.
When they went all squishy and Democrat-lite, I dropped them.
It would be easier for me to return to the Republican fold, I admit, because I think the basic principles I support may still be there underneath all the squishy bullshit.
But I won't go back until the Boners, Bitch McConnells, EEs and Poppin' Freshes are excised from the party. They are the ones messing things up, and I am not going to support them -- or their ideas -- simply because they are occasionally less-reprehensible than Democrats.
Trump, I can deal with. He makes heads on both sides of the aisle explode, and that is Pure Gold to me.
Not the only one.
I started, years ago, as a Democrat, but changed as soon as I realized I was voting for Republican candidates and policies.
When they went all squishy and Democrat-lite, I dropped them.
It would be easier for me to return to the Republican fold, I admit, because I think the basic principles I support may still be there underneath all the squishy bullshit.
But I won't go back until the Boners, Bitch McConnells, EEs and Poppin' Freshes are excised from the party. They are the ones messing things up, and I am not going to support them -- or their ideas -- simply because they are occasionally less-reprehensible than Democrats.
Trump, I can deal with. He makes heads on both sides of the aisle explode, and that is Pure Gold to me.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 14, 2015 11:27 AM (0atQl)
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Damn good article.
A friend of mine refers to Tea Party adherents as "Angry Republicans." That's good terminology because it helps define an approach to working with them. So I've started referring to the 84 million or so who didn't vote in the last presidential election as "Discouraged Republicans." And every time I talk to one of them, I find they are not LIV, or apathetic, or stupid, or any of the things the GOPe says about them.
They've given up, because the GOPe is just a wing of the Democrat-Republican Ruling Class Party.
That's where Trump is getting support. It's purely emotional response to someone finally challenging the D-R Party.
And you are slightly wrong about the attitude of the party elites. They are terrified of that huge mass of people getting energized and taking over the party.
A friend of mine refers to Tea Party adherents as "Angry Republicans." That's good terminology because it helps define an approach to working with them. So I've started referring to the 84 million or so who didn't vote in the last presidential election as "Discouraged Republicans." And every time I talk to one of them, I find they are not LIV, or apathetic, or stupid, or any of the things the GOPe says about them.
They've given up, because the GOPe is just a wing of the Democrat-Republican Ruling Class Party.
That's where Trump is getting support. It's purely emotional response to someone finally challenging the D-R Party.
And you are slightly wrong about the attitude of the party elites. They are terrified of that huge mass of people getting energized and taking over the party.
Posted by: EndOfPatience at August 14, 2015 11:28 AM (xvblb)
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They should all be conservatives because they are Catholic. Just like the new conservative Pope.
I saw a car the other day with an Obumbles/Slow Joe 2012 bumper sticker, a WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER, and a CATHOLICS FOR MARRIAGE EQUALITY: GOD IS LOVE.
I saw a car the other day with an Obumbles/Slow Joe 2012 bumper sticker, a WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER, and a CATHOLICS FOR MARRIAGE EQUALITY: GOD IS LOVE.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 14, 2015 11:28 AM (S+N7W)
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It wouldn't be Trump, it would probably be a guy with an Italian last name who wears a suit all the time.
Wouldn't even be him. He'd nod to two "associates" who would have a rebar talk with them in the parking lot.
Wouldn't even be him. He'd nod to two "associates" who would have a rebar talk with them in the parking lot.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2015 11:28 AM (UYkjZ)
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See?
This is why people think you are a booger-eating mouth-breather.
Check the turnout for Blacks in 2008 and 2012 compared to previous elections, then get back to us.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 14, 2015 11:22 AM (Zu3d9)
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Exactly. In both 2008 and 2012 Obama turned his base out. That's what I said.
Sheesh.
This is why people think you are a booger-eating mouth-breather.
Check the turnout for Blacks in 2008 and 2012 compared to previous elections, then get back to us.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 14, 2015 11:22 AM (Zu3d9)
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Exactly. In both 2008 and 2012 Obama turned his base out. That's what I said.
Sheesh.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 11:28 AM (0LHZx)
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The physical and facial contortions of Yosemite Sam "drawing" a gun in this Bugs Bunny clip best represents the staggering cognitive prowess of any Luntz's Dunces panel member.
http://youtu.be/nF7s8bTpV-Y
The physical and facial contortions of Yosemite Sam "drawing" a gun in this Bugs Bunny clip best represents the staggering cognitive prowess of any Luntz's Dunces panel member.
http://youtu.be/nF7s8bTpV-Y
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at August 14, 2015 11:28 AM (BK3ZS)
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Sorry, had a senior moment there. Now if Jeb was the front runner and you go back and read #56 it reads completely different.
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at August 14, 2015 11:25 AM (ktt8p)
Ooh! Got ya.
No, I'm purposely being obnoxious and annoying the GOPe types by calling Trump the "republican front runner" now.
Sorry, should have specified.
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at August 14, 2015 11:25 AM (ktt8p)
Ooh! Got ya.
No, I'm purposely being obnoxious and annoying the GOPe types by calling Trump the "republican front runner" now.
Sorry, should have specified.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 14, 2015 11:28 AM (AkOaV)
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Trump = Al Czervik
GOPe = Bushwood
Posted by: Count de Monet at August 14, 2015 11:26
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Hah. Nice.
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Trump = Al Czervik
GOPe = Bushwood
Posted by: Count de Monet at August 14, 2015 11:26
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Hah. Nice.
Posted by: irright at August 14, 2015 11:28 AM (pMGkg)
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The fact that the GOP has no idea how to handle Trump other than to stand around yammering like a bunch of ckufing retards speaks volumes about their ability to perform in any leadership positions.
Many people have articulated a strategy to deactivate Trump. MWR posted such an idea yesterday.
Yet somehow the GOP can't get it together. And they're going to win the election? I doubt it.
Many people have articulated a strategy to deactivate Trump. MWR posted such an idea yesterday.
Yet somehow the GOP can't get it together. And they're going to win the election? I doubt it.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 14, 2015 11:28 AM (oFCZn)
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I love Clara Bow. It's astonishing that all four of her feature films of 1928 are lost. At the top of her career. I want to get a big poster of that scene in Wings where she's driving the ambulance.
I've seen Wings so it's not lost or at least wasn't lost ten of fifteen years ago.
I've seen Wings so it's not lost or at least wasn't lost ten of fifteen years ago.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 14, 2015 11:29 AM (XUKZU)
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Of my friend, Trump, I can say only this: Of all the souls I've encountered in my travels, his was the most ... *lip quiver* ... yuge! *sob*
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at August 14, 2015 11:29 AM (vgIRn)
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I may even start calling Trump the "presumed Republican nominee" like the media does about Jeb! and Hillary!
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 14, 2015 11:29 AM (AkOaV)
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Is there any documented polling that backs this up? Even if true, you know very well when it's Hillary vs. Trump these "black Trump folks" will go 95% for Hillary.
Don't think so. I work in a large govt building in DC, and I have not heard one position comment about Hillary from black female govt workers. Trump on the other hand is view in a highly positive light from the same group of people. She will carry the black vote sure, but she's not getting 95%. Probably in the 80-85% range from anecdotal evidence.
Don't think so. I work in a large govt building in DC, and I have not heard one position comment about Hillary from black female govt workers. Trump on the other hand is view in a highly positive light from the same group of people. She will carry the black vote sure, but she's not getting 95%. Probably in the 80-85% range from anecdotal evidence.
Posted by: wrg500 at August 14, 2015 11:29 AM (FEAjO)
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>>>Of course, as someone who has written off the GOP and most of the candidates running, my interest here is purely sporting.
I figured that. You couldn't really be saying "Obama was very successful at lying to large numbers of niche groups, so the GOPe might be better off doing the same". What you meant is, if they were smart, they'd do that out of self interest. I for one am glad that they are too arrogant and stupid to attempt this. I'm considering moving to another country, like Ireland, even if it's marginally worse. It's not healthy going through each day feeling nothing but disgust for what this country has become.
I figured that. You couldn't really be saying "Obama was very successful at lying to large numbers of niche groups, so the GOPe might be better off doing the same". What you meant is, if they were smart, they'd do that out of self interest. I for one am glad that they are too arrogant and stupid to attempt this. I'm considering moving to another country, like Ireland, even if it's marginally worse. It's not healthy going through each day feeling nothing but disgust for what this country has become.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at August 14, 2015 11:29 AM (E5UB0)
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"I think it says a hell of a lot more about those with their panties in a
bunch about him than it does about those supporting him."
ding-ding-ding.
"I think it says a hell of a lot more about those with their panties in a
bunch about him than it does about those supporting him."
ding-ding-ding.
Posted by: gdonovan at August 14, 2015 11:29 AM (Ipxoj)
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I didn't realize it was okay to excommunicate parts of the R party because we dislike the candidate they support.
Posted by: mynewhandle
you have permission to donkey-punch George Will the next time you see him.
Posted by: mynewhandle
you have permission to donkey-punch George Will the next time you see him.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at August 14, 2015 11:29 AM (+1T7c)
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And the Group W bench.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 14, 2015 11:26 AM (zF6Iw)
And they all moved away from me on the Group W bench...then I said "and creating a nuisance"
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 14, 2015 11:26 AM (zF6Iw)
And they all moved away from me on the Group W bench...then I said "and creating a nuisance"
Posted by: Insomniac at August 14, 2015 11:29 AM (2Ojst)
Posted by: Jebutron Bush v 3.00 at August 14, 2015 11:30 AM (j2FM9)
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I have a friend who is still convinced Bush stole the Ohio election in 2004 because the Diebold machines. He is the opposite of you guys here who are convinced Obama stole the election in 2012.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 11:30 AM (0LHZx)
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A friend of mine refers to Tea Party adherents as "Angry Republicans."
The Democrats are not the only party with a 'plantation'.
The Democrats are not the only party with a 'plantation'.
Posted by: some random meathead at August 14, 2015 11:30 AM (Yrjee)
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"Ann Coulter is a dumb scrunt." Of all the criticisms of Coulter, that's the lamest. She's probably the most highly intelligent pundit out there. Hell, run Coulter for the R ticket, and she gets my vote over the clowns in the race now.
Posted by: gp at August 14, 2015 11:30 AM (+Jpqc)
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Just by the lengths of the writings of the political establishment writings prognosticating that Trump will eventually burn out and melt away makes me think that they're absolutely terrified that Trump has already proven he may not burn out and melt away.
It gives me hope.
It gives me hope.
Posted by: Soona at August 14, 2015 11:31 AM (P25Hh)
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"I've seen Wings so it's not lost " Wings was 1927.
Posted by: gp at August 14, 2015 11:31 AM (+Jpqc)
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118 I love Clara Bow. It's astonishing that all four of her feature films of 1928 are lost. At the top of her career. I want to get a big poster of that scene in Wings where she's driving the ambulance.
I've seen Wings so it's not lost or at least wasn't lost ten of fifteen years ago.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 14, 2015 11:29 AM (XUKZU)
Amazing how many are gone in the shrouds of time.
I was reading about the unsolved murder of William Desmond Taylor and one of the principals was Mary Miles Mintner, a star of some popularity back in the day. Not on the level of Bow or Mary Pickford, but successful.
She made 50 films. All but 16 are lost.
I've seen Wings so it's not lost or at least wasn't lost ten of fifteen years ago.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 14, 2015 11:29 AM (XUKZU)
Amazing how many are gone in the shrouds of time.
I was reading about the unsolved murder of William Desmond Taylor and one of the principals was Mary Miles Mintner, a star of some popularity back in the day. Not on the level of Bow or Mary Pickford, but successful.
She made 50 films. All but 16 are lost.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 14, 2015 11:31 AM (oFCZn)
Posted by: Mr. Hawaiian Dress at August 14, 2015 11:32 AM (ZCFje)
Posted by: A. Gasket at August 14, 2015 11:33 AM (oVJmc)
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She will carry the black vote sure, but she's not getting 95%. Probably in the 80-85% range from anecdotal evidence.
Posted by: wrg500
She ain't no ways tarred, but she ain't no ways a Black American, nor do they identify with her.
She will carry a lower percentage, and the overall turnout will be lower, if she lasts that long.
A lot of Black Americans are Jacksonian Democrats, in many ways. They will vote the Party, but they don't all identify with BLM and hate this country.
I know too many black people and hear what they say.
Posted by: wrg500
She ain't no ways tarred, but she ain't no ways a Black American, nor do they identify with her.
She will carry a lower percentage, and the overall turnout will be lower, if she lasts that long.
A lot of Black Americans are Jacksonian Democrats, in many ways. They will vote the Party, but they don't all identify with BLM and hate this country.
I know too many black people and hear what they say.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at August 14, 2015 11:33 AM (+1T7c)
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I've seen Wings so it's not lost or at least wasn't lost ten of fifteen years ago.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 14, 2015 11:29 AM (XUKZU)
No, Wings is out - there's a Blu-Ray version, I believe, but Bow's films Red Hair, Ladies of the Mob, The Fleet's In and Three Weekends are lost.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 14, 2015 11:29 AM (XUKZU)
No, Wings is out - there's a Blu-Ray version, I believe, but Bow's films Red Hair, Ladies of the Mob, The Fleet's In and Three Weekends are lost.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 14, 2015 11:33 AM (zF6Iw)
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Alberta Oil Peon raises a great point: why should Mexicans get to vote in the election but Canadians don't? Why do the Democrats hate Canadians?
After all, TFG made a special trip to Ottawa in 2009 to thanks all his campaign workers there. Is it their oil? Their musicians or actresses? The skiing? WTF is the big problem?
After all, TFG made a special trip to Ottawa in 2009 to thanks all his campaign workers there. Is it their oil? Their musicians or actresses? The skiing? WTF is the big problem?
Posted by: MTF at August 14, 2015 11:33 AM (TxJGV)
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Your bottom line up front summed it up well. No matter what we want, the Republican wing of The Ruling Party doesn't care what we think. They know best.
We are supposed to show up like religious pilgrims and do our duty every two or four years, then shut the fuck up and go away meanwhile. Our betters in Brooks Brothers suits or black judicial robes will tell us how to live while demanding more of our sustenance. They have to get their share of the graft pumped back out to the only voters they give a fuck about- those who donate millions.
The Republicans will do better once they finally admit it's like professional wrestling- any animosity between them and the Democrats is faked and it's all part of the show. At that point we can just choose parties based on whose T-shirts we like best and who cuts better promos for the next pay per view. The result won't matter for shit.
It's all going to burn anyway. Ever since my old nick got banned for I don't know what, I have been spending more time on survivalism blogs than I have been giving a fuck about politics anymore.
We are supposed to show up like religious pilgrims and do our duty every two or four years, then shut the fuck up and go away meanwhile. Our betters in Brooks Brothers suits or black judicial robes will tell us how to live while demanding more of our sustenance. They have to get their share of the graft pumped back out to the only voters they give a fuck about- those who donate millions.
The Republicans will do better once they finally admit it's like professional wrestling- any animosity between them and the Democrats is faked and it's all part of the show. At that point we can just choose parties based on whose T-shirts we like best and who cuts better promos for the next pay per view. The result won't matter for shit.
It's all going to burn anyway. Ever since my old nick got banned for I don't know what, I have been spending more time on survivalism blogs than I have been giving a fuck about politics anymore.
Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at August 14, 2015 11:33 AM (gcpxh)
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Trump is making this shit up as he goes along.. go look at his web page.. DonaldTrump.com
Take a look at his policies/issues page.. oh wait.. he doesn't have one..
He does have a "Shop" page where you can buy all things Trump.. the man is a carney barker..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 14, 2015 11:27 AM (so+oy)
I guess my counter argument is this:
Just like every troll is Average Joe, every politician is Donald Trump.
They're all egomaniacs who make shit up as they go along.
Trump is just honest about who he is, and doesn't apologize for it.
Jeb! goes out and kisses babies and promises everything to everyone, but he's also a lying sack of shit politician who is not in any way conservative and will not in any way do anything if he gets elected that would make my life better.
So choosing between the Eddie Haskell politicians or someone like Trump...? I mean, what difference does it make?
Other than that Trump makes me laugh sometimes?
Take a look at his policies/issues page.. oh wait.. he doesn't have one..
He does have a "Shop" page where you can buy all things Trump.. the man is a carney barker..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 14, 2015 11:27 AM (so+oy)
I guess my counter argument is this:
Just like every troll is Average Joe, every politician is Donald Trump.
They're all egomaniacs who make shit up as they go along.
Trump is just honest about who he is, and doesn't apologize for it.
Jeb! goes out and kisses babies and promises everything to everyone, but he's also a lying sack of shit politician who is not in any way conservative and will not in any way do anything if he gets elected that would make my life better.
So choosing between the Eddie Haskell politicians or someone like Trump...? I mean, what difference does it make?
Other than that Trump makes me laugh sometimes?
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 14, 2015 11:34 AM (AkOaV)
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For those of you that haven't read it, Larry Correia opined on the candidates on his blog and it was in turns hilarious and intriguing. Read the whole thing.
His take on the Bernie/Hillary dustup:
"The only reason Bernie is actually polling surprisingly decently is because many democrats sense just how lackluster Hillary is. However, Hillary is still going to get the nomination. Because as much as democrats like to think that they're all about tolerance, there is something incredibly emasculating about watching your candidate get chased off the podium of his own rally. There's a reason the Black Lives Matter protestors haven't invaded Hillary's space, because we all suspect she'd shriek "GUARDS! SEIZE THEM!" super villain style, and then have them devoured by her nanotech enhanced attack weasels.
Hillary may be a liar and a cheat, and she'd sell your children's organs to Russian mobsters to make five bucks, but at least she's not a total chicken shit. So, barring the highly unlikely event that Hillary gets arrested by the FBI for one of her multitude of scandals between now and the primaries, Hillary is it."
His take on the Bernie/Hillary dustup:
"The only reason Bernie is actually polling surprisingly decently is because many democrats sense just how lackluster Hillary is. However, Hillary is still going to get the nomination. Because as much as democrats like to think that they're all about tolerance, there is something incredibly emasculating about watching your candidate get chased off the podium of his own rally. There's a reason the Black Lives Matter protestors haven't invaded Hillary's space, because we all suspect she'd shriek "GUARDS! SEIZE THEM!" super villain style, and then have them devoured by her nanotech enhanced attack weasels.
Hillary may be a liar and a cheat, and she'd sell your children's organs to Russian mobsters to make five bucks, but at least she's not a total chicken shit. So, barring the highly unlikely event that Hillary gets arrested by the FBI for one of her multitude of scandals between now and the primaries, Hillary is it."
Posted by: LizLem at August 14, 2015 11:34 AM (hvf9s)
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It gives me hope.
Posted by: Soona at August 14, 2015 11:31 AM
If/when it comes down to teh Donald versus Shrillery, what are all the Trump-haters in the GOPe gonna do?
I already know what I'll do if it turns out to be a straight GOPe vs. liberal wacked-out felon contest. I'll cast a meaningless vote for Free Ponies.
Whoever first said "I didn't leave the Xxxxxxxx Party, it left me!" was the smartest dude evah.
Posted by: Soona at August 14, 2015 11:31 AM
If/when it comes down to teh Donald versus Shrillery, what are all the Trump-haters in the GOPe gonna do?
I already know what I'll do if it turns out to be a straight GOPe vs. liberal wacked-out felon contest. I'll cast a meaningless vote for Free Ponies.
Whoever first said "I didn't leave the Xxxxxxxx Party, it left me!" was the smartest dude evah.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 14, 2015 11:34 AM (0atQl)
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Posted by: Colonel Kurtz at August 14, 2015 11:33 AM (gcpxh)
::looks in closet::
whats wrong with brooks brothers suits?
::looks in closet::
whats wrong with brooks brothers suits?
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 14, 2015 11:35 AM (AkOaV)
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After all, TFG made a special trip to Ottawa in 2009 to thanks all his campaign workers there. Is it their oil? Their musicians or actresses? The skiing?
WTF is the big problem?
Justin Bieber.
WTF is the big problem?
Justin Bieber.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2015 11:35 AM (UYkjZ)
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Oh and link: http://monsterhunternation.com/2015/08/11/my-election-predictions/
Posted by: LizLem at August 14, 2015 11:35 AM (hvf9s)
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Trump IS because the GOPe have no core values.
You can get all your policy wonks out and babble about how to "cater" to Trump voters but what are the GOPe's real core values?
Lower taxes?....NO.
Replace tax system....NO.
Eliminate one single Government program...NO.
Secure the border?...NO.
Follow the Constitution?.....NO.
Outlaw baby parts harvesting/defund PP....NO.
Defund NPR?.....NO.
Stop overseas adventures/undeclared wars?....NO.
And on and on and on ad naseum.
So why should I vote GOPe over the Communist democrats? Too make me feels better?
You can get all your policy wonks out and babble about how to "cater" to Trump voters but what are the GOPe's real core values?
Lower taxes?....NO.
Replace tax system....NO.
Eliminate one single Government program...NO.
Secure the border?...NO.
Follow the Constitution?.....NO.
Outlaw baby parts harvesting/defund PP....NO.
Defund NPR?.....NO.
Stop overseas adventures/undeclared wars?....NO.
And on and on and on ad naseum.
So why should I vote GOPe over the Communist democrats? Too make me feels better?
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 14, 2015 11:36 AM (JG47A)
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I know too many black people and hear what they say.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at August 14, 2015 11:33 AM (+1T7c)
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That's all fine and good. Except for the last 10 or so elections, blacks have voted 90%+ for the Democrat. And there is zero evidence that #11 will be any different.
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at August 14, 2015 11:33 AM (+1T7c)
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That's all fine and good. Except for the last 10 or so elections, blacks have voted 90%+ for the Democrat. And there is zero evidence that #11 will be any different.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 11:36 AM (0LHZx)
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101
Trump = Al Czervik
GOPe = Bushwood
Posted by: Count de Monet at August 14, 2015 11:26
But we still need a Danny Noonan to step in and actually win. Or at least a Lacy Underall to help us forget.
Trump = Al Czervik
GOPe = Bushwood
Posted by: Count de Monet at August 14, 2015 11:26
But we still need a Danny Noonan to step in and actually win. Or at least a Lacy Underall to help us forget.
Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at August 14, 2015 11:36 AM (nFdGS)
Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 14, 2015 11:36 AM (XUKZU)
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I was told I was being unAmerican and didn't care about peoples kids' futures when I sat out 2012. Now the same people who insulted me and yelled at me are refusing to support the front runner in the R primaries, and have excommunicated him from polite society.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 14, 2015 11:21 AM (AkOaV)
You sat it out? I wasn't keen on Romney but voted for him anyway, and before that did the same for McCain and liked him even less. If Trump wins the nomination then I'll vote for that wretched meglomaniac as the last act of a faithful Republican and then leave the GOP and register as an Independent. I'll do the same if that pudgy mediocrity Jeb Bush gets the nod. Paraphrasing Reagan, I won't be leaving my party. It will be leaving me.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 14, 2015 11:21 AM (AkOaV)
You sat it out? I wasn't keen on Romney but voted for him anyway, and before that did the same for McCain and liked him even less. If Trump wins the nomination then I'll vote for that wretched meglomaniac as the last act of a faithful Republican and then leave the GOP and register as an Independent. I'll do the same if that pudgy mediocrity Jeb Bush gets the nod. Paraphrasing Reagan, I won't be leaving my party. It will be leaving me.
Posted by: troyriser at August 14, 2015 11:36 AM (Bvf82)
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Children are dying because of deodorant and you people are talking about Trump!?
Posted by: Bernie Sanders at August 14, 2015 11:37 AM (HstNY)
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127 I have a friend who is still convinced Bush stole the Ohio election in 2004 because the Diebold machines. He is the opposite of you guys here who are convinced Obama stole the election in 2012.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 11:30 AM (0LHZx)
This has been sort of a cottage industry on the fringe left. There was at least one book written promoting this view, perhaps there are others. The primary "evidence" appears to be that early exit polling had Kerry way ahead, but he lost, ergo Bush rigged it. Ohio is the central focus because Bush's victory there was razor thin. Central to this view is that exit polls are ALWAYS accurate and NEVER wrong.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 11:30 AM (0LHZx)
This has been sort of a cottage industry on the fringe left. There was at least one book written promoting this view, perhaps there are others. The primary "evidence" appears to be that early exit polling had Kerry way ahead, but he lost, ergo Bush rigged it. Ohio is the central focus because Bush's victory there was razor thin. Central to this view is that exit polls are ALWAYS accurate and NEVER wrong.
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 14, 2015 11:37 AM (270sC)
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If the GOP were worth a shit, would they be getting beat by a candidate they describe as a monkey?
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 14, 2015 11:37 AM (oVJmc)
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I was reading about the unsolved murder of William Desmond Taylor and one of the principals was Mary Miles Mintner, a star of some popularity back in the day. Not on the level of Bow or Mary Pickford, but successful.
She made 50 films. All but 16 are lost.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 14, 2015 11:31 AM (oFCZn)
Something along the line of 90% of all films made before 1930 are lost, I believe.
As far as the Taylor case, the best book I've read on it is Tinseltown:
http://goo.gl/Gw2erm
She made 50 films. All but 16 are lost.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 14, 2015 11:31 AM (oFCZn)
Something along the line of 90% of all films made before 1930 are lost, I believe.
As far as the Taylor case, the best book I've read on it is Tinseltown:
http://goo.gl/Gw2erm
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 14, 2015 11:37 AM (zF6Iw)
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130 Just by the lengths of the writings of the political establishment writings prognosticating that Trump will eventually burn out and melt away makes me think that they're absolutely terrified that Trump has already proven he may not burn out and melt away.
It gives me hope.
Posted by: Soona at August 14, 2015 11:31 AM (P25Hh)
It reminds me of GamerGate. Every week there was an article about how GamerGate was finally over, and a post-mortem on it.
The media does this now, where they do a post-mortem so people read a thing is dead, and by osmosis become convinced it is true. It's as annoying and stupid as everything else they do.
So we had them announce that Trump was done after he trashed McCain, and then after the debate, and then after he went after Megyn, then after one poll showed he lost support.
Can he hold his lead? The smart money is no, but if the GOP keeps on trying to knock him out or force him out, he'll go farther. The smartest thing they could do is nothing.
They are not smart.
It gives me hope.
Posted by: Soona at August 14, 2015 11:31 AM (P25Hh)
It reminds me of GamerGate. Every week there was an article about how GamerGate was finally over, and a post-mortem on it.
The media does this now, where they do a post-mortem so people read a thing is dead, and by osmosis become convinced it is true. It's as annoying and stupid as everything else they do.
So we had them announce that Trump was done after he trashed McCain, and then after the debate, and then after he went after Megyn, then after one poll showed he lost support.
Can he hold his lead? The smart money is no, but if the GOP keeps on trying to knock him out or force him out, he'll go farther. The smartest thing they could do is nothing.
They are not smart.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 14, 2015 11:38 AM (j2FM9)
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>>> So....may I please enjoy the butt-hurt that Trump is causing the GOP while still rejecting his overall political philosophy?
You can come sit by me... *gets out popcorn and milkshakes*
You can come sit by me... *gets out popcorn and milkshakes*
Posted by: LizLem at August 14, 2015 11:38 AM (hvf9s)
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"Ann Coulter is a dumb scrunt." Of all the criticisms of Coulter,
that's the lamest. She's probably the most highly intelligent pundit
out there. Hell, run Coulter for the R ticket, and she gets my vote
over the clowns in the race now.
Posted by: gp at August 14, 2015 11:30 AM (+Jpqc)
You're right. Coutler is smart. Smart enough to have convinced wide swaths of the "conservative" folk that she's one of us, and not a soulless, evil, wench who says what she does to sell books, and not because she actually believes it.
That takes smarts.
"Ann Coulter is a dumb scrunt." Of all the criticisms of Coulter,
that's the lamest. She's probably the most highly intelligent pundit
out there. Hell, run Coulter for the R ticket, and she gets my vote
over the clowns in the race now.
Posted by: gp at August 14, 2015 11:30 AM (+Jpqc)
You're right. Coutler is smart. Smart enough to have convinced wide swaths of the "conservative" folk that she's one of us, and not a soulless, evil, wench who says what she does to sell books, and not because she actually believes it.
That takes smarts.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 14, 2015 11:38 AM (TOk1P)
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During the French Revolution, lesbianism was called the German disease. lol
During the French Revolution, lesbianism was called the German disease. lol
Posted by: Wang With a Wang! at August 14, 2015 11:39 AM (iQIUe)
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Trump is making this shit up as he goes along.. go look at his web page.. DonaldTrump.com
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Does it really matter? If you go to any of their web pages they will all say wonderful things. And what % of those promises will be kept? 20%...if we're lucky.
If I gave you 3 random websites of candidates and blacked out the candidate's name, I doubt anyone would be able to identify which candidate belongs to which website. They all tell you what you want to hear before the election.
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Does it really matter? If you go to any of their web pages they will all say wonderful things. And what % of those promises will be kept? 20%...if we're lucky.
If I gave you 3 random websites of candidates and blacked out the candidate's name, I doubt anyone would be able to identify which candidate belongs to which website. They all tell you what you want to hear before the election.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 11:39 AM (0LHZx)
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You sat it out?
Posted by: troyriser at August 14, 2015 11:36 AM (Bvf82)
Yeah, skipped '08 all together.
Voted in '10.
Voted in '12, just wrote in "John Smith" for President or something.
Sat out '14 all together.
Probably will do the same in '16 TBH, although.. we'll see.
And yeah, I re-registered as independent in '12 (when I moved).
And I'm not even registered to vote yet in my new state TBH.
I'm kind of getting to the PJ O'Rourke view... "stop voting, it just encourages the bastards"
Posted by: troyriser at August 14, 2015 11:36 AM (Bvf82)
Yeah, skipped '08 all together.
Voted in '10.
Voted in '12, just wrote in "John Smith" for President or something.
Sat out '14 all together.
Probably will do the same in '16 TBH, although.. we'll see.
And yeah, I re-registered as independent in '12 (when I moved).
And I'm not even registered to vote yet in my new state TBH.
I'm kind of getting to the PJ O'Rourke view... "stop voting, it just encourages the bastards"
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 14, 2015 11:40 AM (AkOaV)
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During the French Revolution, lesbianism was called the German disease. lol
Posted by: Wang With a Wang! at August 14, 2015 11:39 AM
IIRC, Germans call the clap "the French Disease."
Posted by: Wang With a Wang! at August 14, 2015 11:39 AM
IIRC, Germans call the clap "the French Disease."
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 14, 2015 11:40 AM (0atQl)
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People who don't really give a crap about politicians and doc fixes and revenue bill origination care about Trump.
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That is Trump appeal right there, he is not the SSDD establishment politician. Regular people who aren't really interested in politics like him and think he has ideas and can speak his mind on them, and he doesn't take shit from the talking heads. Trump will survive into 2016 because people like him, not his political positions.
Besides, after the flip-flops of GOPe candidates in the paste two elections, why does everyone get their nose out of joint for Trump saying different things at different times? GOP pot, meet Trump kettle.
People who don't really give a crap about politicians and doc fixes and revenue bill origination care about Trump.
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That is Trump appeal right there, he is not the SSDD establishment politician. Regular people who aren't really interested in politics like him and think he has ideas and can speak his mind on them, and he doesn't take shit from the talking heads. Trump will survive into 2016 because people like him, not his political positions.
Besides, after the flip-flops of GOPe candidates in the paste two elections, why does everyone get their nose out of joint for Trump saying different things at different times? GOP pot, meet Trump kettle.
Posted by: exdem13 at August 14, 2015 11:41 AM (ry4ab)
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Something along the line of 90% of all films made before 1930 are lost, I believe.
Lost as in "WTF did we put it", or lost as in "Due to the ravages of time" on the type of media used back in the day?
Lost as in "WTF did we put it", or lost as in "Due to the ravages of time" on the type of media used back in the day?
Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2015 11:41 AM (UYkjZ)
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This has been sort of a cottage industry on the fringe left. There was at least one book written promoting this view, perhaps there are others. The primary "evidence" appears to be that early exit polling had Kerry way ahead, but he lost, ergo Bush rigged it. Ohio is the central focus because Bush's victory there was razor thin. Central to this view is that exit polls are ALWAYS accurate and NEVER wrong.
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 14, 2015 11:37 AM (270sC)
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Yep. He's mentioned that book as irrefutable proof. Funny thing is he's not a leftist loon, he just buys into conspiracy theories easily.
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 14, 2015 11:37 AM (270sC)
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Yep. He's mentioned that book as irrefutable proof. Funny thing is he's not a leftist loon, he just buys into conspiracy theories easily.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 11:41 AM (0LHZx)
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On Trump, I generally agree but you're missing a great opportunity to ask what Trump can teach Republican candidates.
He handles the media like a fucking boss. And given the Propaganda
Press bias issue, GOPers really could start taking some lessons from the
master while there is time.
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Truth!!
On Trump, I generally agree but you're missing a great opportunity to ask what Trump can teach Republican candidates.
He handles the media like a fucking boss. And given the Propaganda
Press bias issue, GOPers really could start taking some lessons from the
master while there is time.
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Truth!!
Posted by: exdem13 at August 14, 2015 11:41 AM (ry4ab)
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There's a reason the Black Lives Matter protestors haven't invaded Hillary's space, because we all suspect she'd shriek "GUARDS! SEIZE THEM!" super villain style,
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Release the hounds.
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Release the hounds.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 14, 2015 11:42 AM (XUKZU)
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As far as the Taylor case, the best book I've read on it is Tinseltown:
http://goo.gl/Gw2erm
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 14, 2015 11:37 AM (zF6Iw)
I saw a reference to that book in the article I was reading.
My personal take on what admittedly is not a lot of reading is that the actress Margaret Gibson did it. She confessed to it while dying from a heart attack and an eyewitness to the crime described what she thought was a woman dressed as what a movie burglar would look like leaving the house. The person saw the eyewitness and smiled at her. Gibson claimed she was seen leaving Taylor's bungalow, so that fits.
Gibson was in LA so had the opportunity. The means wouldn't have been hard to procure, but there doesn't seem to be a motive.
http://goo.gl/Gw2erm
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 14, 2015 11:37 AM (zF6Iw)
I saw a reference to that book in the article I was reading.
My personal take on what admittedly is not a lot of reading is that the actress Margaret Gibson did it. She confessed to it while dying from a heart attack and an eyewitness to the crime described what she thought was a woman dressed as what a movie burglar would look like leaving the house. The person saw the eyewitness and smiled at her. Gibson claimed she was seen leaving Taylor's bungalow, so that fits.
Gibson was in LA so had the opportunity. The means wouldn't have been hard to procure, but there doesn't seem to be a motive.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 14, 2015 11:43 AM (oFCZn)
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Lost as in "WTF did we put it", or lost as in "Due to the ravages of time" on the type of media used back in the day?
Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2015 11:41 AM
Lost as in made on/printed on nitrate film.
Shit crumbles like a campaign promise and burns up faster than Ace reacting to a slur on one of his Bloggy Buddies.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2015 11:41 AM
Lost as in made on/printed on nitrate film.
Shit crumbles like a campaign promise and burns up faster than Ace reacting to a slur on one of his Bloggy Buddies.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 14, 2015 11:43 AM (0atQl)
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I can't keep thinking that this Dark Knight comparison will sadly prove to be accurate.
Trump = The Joker
grassroots = Gotham mob bosses
Also, I don't understand why the establishment it suppose to be frightened by a protest vote that backs a candidate more liberal than the establishment. At least get behind Cruz or Paul and give the establishment an actual sweat.
Trump = The Joker
grassroots = Gotham mob bosses
Also, I don't understand why the establishment it suppose to be frightened by a protest vote that backs a candidate more liberal than the establishment. At least get behind Cruz or Paul and give the establishment an actual sweat.
Posted by: Dbot1800 at August 14, 2015 11:44 AM (pW9OW)
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Ann Coulter really is a small government conservative, regardless of who she sometimes dates. Mostly she is just flamboyant in trying to make a living. She's like a small time GOP version of Trump in that regard, I suppose.
Posted by: MTF at August 14, 2015 11:44 AM (TxJGV)
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I recently read the article below; it says Perot didn't hand the WH to Clinton, just made his margin of victory smaller... I always thought the opposite, but the article kinda makes sense. If it is true, then maybe a third-party Trump bid would actually be a good thing?
http://tinyurl.com/oogfmxc
Posted by: Dirty Randy at August 14, 2015 11:26 AM (jjaLl)
Interesting article, that. Love the term Bushoisie even as I acknowledge that both George H.W. and George W. are classy gentlemen. Just neither are real conservatives.
Another point: those who raise the spectre of a third-party Trump handing the election to Shrillary fail to mention that circumstances are different. In '92, George H.W. Bush was the incumbent President, and he had come a cropper with the "No New Taxes" issue, and being caught in a "lie". (I know the actual circumstances were trivial, but it had a political cost for him.) So there was a "throw the bums out" dynamic at work against him. And Billy Jeff was a charismatic challenger, you have to give the Devil his due.
Things are different this go-round. The incumbency is in the hands of the Democrats, even if the Mocha Messiah is out personally due to term limits. And Hillary has hardly been charismatic. I think there is a good chance Trump could siphon off a lot of LIV's in the democrat camp based on name recognition alone.
http://tinyurl.com/oogfmxc
Posted by: Dirty Randy at August 14, 2015 11:26 AM (jjaLl)
Interesting article, that. Love the term Bushoisie even as I acknowledge that both George H.W. and George W. are classy gentlemen. Just neither are real conservatives.
Another point: those who raise the spectre of a third-party Trump handing the election to Shrillary fail to mention that circumstances are different. In '92, George H.W. Bush was the incumbent President, and he had come a cropper with the "No New Taxes" issue, and being caught in a "lie". (I know the actual circumstances were trivial, but it had a political cost for him.) So there was a "throw the bums out" dynamic at work against him. And Billy Jeff was a charismatic challenger, you have to give the Devil his due.
Things are different this go-round. The incumbency is in the hands of the Democrats, even if the Mocha Messiah is out personally due to term limits. And Hillary has hardly been charismatic. I think there is a good chance Trump could siphon off a lot of LIV's in the democrat camp based on name recognition alone.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 14, 2015 11:45 AM (tQwIz)
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Children are dying because of deodorant and you people are talking about Trump!?
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I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me deodorant regulation or give me death!
- Bernie Sanders
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I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me deodorant regulation or give me death!
- Bernie Sanders
Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 14, 2015 11:46 AM (XUKZU)
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I think Cruz is actually trying to reach these voters. And on Levin's show, Cruz was the only candidate Trump had nice things to say about.
Posted by: Iblis at August 14, 2015 11:47 AM (9221z)
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Lost as in made on/printed on nitrate film.
Shit crumbles like a campaign promise and burns up faster than Ace reacting to a slur on one of his Bloggy Buddies.
It has its uses.
Shit crumbles like a campaign promise and burns up faster than Ace reacting to a slur on one of his Bloggy Buddies.
It has its uses.
Posted by: Shoshanna LaPedite at August 14, 2015 11:47 AM (JtwS4)
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Still calling us stupid but in a nicer way? NO. Now I'm just a guy that has made and sold 6 engineering, design companies with a MSME and not all smart like the Trump haters but I'm not in it for any celebrity awe. Now the Trump haters maybe.
Trump:
1. Build a wall and stop or greatly reduce illegal and legal immigration.
2. No AMNESTY!
3. Repeal the terrible, terrible health care law that is so misnamed.
4. Revise the tax laws. Flat tax, lower corporation tax, and end the double taxation that keeps US corporations money out of the USA.
5. Calls it like he sees it which is not buffoonish but honest and non PC.
6. Is a leader that has bade tens of successful companies, not a community agitator or career politician.
7. Knows how to win and has a great track record of success.
8. Will play on our team not some other country's team.
Cruz and Walker fit a few of those item. The rest of the GOPe should be in the democrat party.
Trump:
1. Build a wall and stop or greatly reduce illegal and legal immigration.
2. No AMNESTY!
3. Repeal the terrible, terrible health care law that is so misnamed.
4. Revise the tax laws. Flat tax, lower corporation tax, and end the double taxation that keeps US corporations money out of the USA.
5. Calls it like he sees it which is not buffoonish but honest and non PC.
6. Is a leader that has bade tens of successful companies, not a community agitator or career politician.
7. Knows how to win and has a great track record of success.
8. Will play on our team not some other country's team.
Cruz and Walker fit a few of those item. The rest of the GOPe should be in the democrat party.
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at August 14, 2015 11:47 AM (f+6Pd)
Posted by: Mr. Hawaiian Dress at August 14, 2015 11:48 AM (ZCFje)
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Trump sounded fine on Mark Levin's show last night.
Then again, Levin interviewed him respectfully, asked substantive questions, and didn't try to trip him up.
Journalism. Try it.
Then again, Levin interviewed him respectfully, asked substantive questions, and didn't try to trip him up.
Journalism. Try it.
Posted by: rickl at August 14, 2015 11:49 AM (zoehZ)
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The stupid reporters said the pig wrestlers may face assault charges for throwing the animal rights people out. They just make shit up.
Posted by: Wang With a Wang! at August 14, 2015 11:49 AM (iQIUe)
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I think Cruz is actually trying to reach these voters. And on Levin's show, Cruz was the only candidate Trump had nice things to say about.
They are in this together. Some way, some how.
Cruz is the only one to have powwowed with Trump.
They are in this together. Some way, some how.
Cruz is the only one to have powwowed with Trump.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2015 11:49 AM (UYkjZ)
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"The only reason Bernie is actually polling surprisingly decently is because many democrats sense just how lackluster Hillary is. However, Hillary is still going to get the nomination. Because as much as democrats like to think that they're all about tolerance, there is something incredibly emasculating about watching your candidate get chased off the podium of his own rally. There's a reason the Black Lives Matter protestors haven't invaded Hillary's space, because we all suspect she'd shriek "GUARDS! SEIZE THEM!" super villain style, and then have them devoured by her nanotech enhanced attack weasels.
Hillary may be a liar and a cheat, and she'd sell your children's organs to Russian mobsters to make five bucks, but at least she's not a total chicken shit. So, barring the highly unlikely event that Hillary gets arrested by the FBI for one of her multitude of scandals between now and the primaries, Hillary is it."
Posted by: LizLem
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Unfortunately, the person who wrote that is completely wrong..
It wasn't Bernie's rally. It was a government rally to celebrate some Social Security or Medicare anniversary. He was just one of many speakers.
And he's wrong about the Bernie supporters as well.. you know who they are? They are the leftest wing of the DemoCommunist party. They are the ones that LIKE the word socialist.. they want government control of the entire economy.
And last.. for three strikes yer out.. BLM hasn't invaded a Hillary rally because she has Secret Service that wouldn't let them within 100 feet of Hillary.
I'm no Bernie defender, but whoever wrote that drivel is a dipshit.
Hillary may be a liar and a cheat, and she'd sell your children's organs to Russian mobsters to make five bucks, but at least she's not a total chicken shit. So, barring the highly unlikely event that Hillary gets arrested by the FBI for one of her multitude of scandals between now and the primaries, Hillary is it."
Posted by: LizLem
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Unfortunately, the person who wrote that is completely wrong..
It wasn't Bernie's rally. It was a government rally to celebrate some Social Security or Medicare anniversary. He was just one of many speakers.
And he's wrong about the Bernie supporters as well.. you know who they are? They are the leftest wing of the DemoCommunist party. They are the ones that LIKE the word socialist.. they want government control of the entire economy.
And last.. for three strikes yer out.. BLM hasn't invaded a Hillary rally because she has Secret Service that wouldn't let them within 100 feet of Hillary.
I'm no Bernie defender, but whoever wrote that drivel is a dipshit.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 14, 2015 11:49 AM (so+oy)
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>>> Lost as in made on/printed on nitrate film.
Shit crumbles like a campaign promise and burns up faster than Ace reacting to a slur on one of his Bloggy Buddies.
Oooh!
Shit crumbles like a campaign promise and burns up faster than Ace reacting to a slur on one of his Bloggy Buddies.
Oooh!
Posted by: Millenials looking for the next cool "safe" way to send nude pics at August 14, 2015 11:49 AM (hvf9s)
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There's a reason the Black Lives Matter protestors haven't invaded Hillary's space, because we all suspect she'd shriek "GUARDS! SEIZE THEM!" super villain style,
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Or it could be much simpler than that. Hillary is running their show.
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Or it could be much simpler than that. Hillary is running their show.
Posted by: Soona at August 14, 2015 11:49 AM (P25Hh)
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. I will say the loud and obnoxious online racist types are probably the
smallest of the cohort even if they are the most in your face if you
live online.
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Why is it that if one person online, MOBY or not, makes a stupid racist comment nominally in support of a candidate suddenly racism is the issue of the day, but if significant fractions of the left talk about throwing people in jail for disagreeing with them that isn't something that gets talked about?
smallest of the cohort even if they are the most in your face if you
live online.
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Why is it that if one person online, MOBY or not, makes a stupid racist comment nominally in support of a candidate suddenly racism is the issue of the day, but if significant fractions of the left talk about throwing people in jail for disagreeing with them that isn't something that gets talked about?
Posted by: 18-1 at August 14, 2015 11:50 AM (78TbK)
Posted by: Count John von Boehner at August 14, 2015 11:50 AM (TxJGV)
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Trump fatigue from me already. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next few months.
Posted by: Cheri at August 14, 2015 11:51 AM (oiNtH)
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Ann Coulter really is a small government conservative, regardless of who she sometimes dates. Mostly she is just flamboyant in trying to make a living. She's like a small time GOP version of Trump in that regard, I suppose.
Posted by: MTF at August 14, 2015 11:44 AM (TxJGV)
She's a capitalist first and foremost!
Adios, America Hardcover -- June 1, 2015
by Ann Coulter
Posted by: MTF at August 14, 2015 11:44 AM (TxJGV)
She's a capitalist first and foremost!
Adios, America Hardcover -- June 1, 2015
by Ann Coulter
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 11:51 AM (qCMvj)
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I do not like thee Dr. Fell
The reason why?
I cannot tell.
But this I know, and know right well:
I do not like thee, Dr. Fell
The reason why?
I cannot tell.
But this I know, and know right well:
I do not like thee, Dr. Fell
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at August 14, 2015 11:51 AM (l2Gqi)
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>>But that leaves a couple of important questions. Who are these supporters of his and can they be used to a purpose other than Trump?
That would countermand the Categorical Imperative.
That would countermand the Categorical Imperative.
Posted by: Garrett at August 14, 2015 11:52 AM (iJFCW)
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There's a reason the Black Lives Matter protestors haven't invaded Hillary's space, because we all suspect she'd shriek "GUARDS! SEIZE THEM!" super villain style,
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Or it could be much simpler than that. Hillary is running their show.
Posted by: Soona at August 14, 2015 11:49 AM (P25Hh)
Soros is, but isn't that the same thing.
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Or it could be much simpler than that. Hillary is running their show.
Posted by: Soona at August 14, 2015 11:49 AM (P25Hh)
Soros is, but isn't that the same thing.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 11:52 AM (qCMvj)
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Trump (last year):
1. The last thing we need is a wall.
2. AMNESTY!
3. Repeal the terrible, terrible health care law that is so misnamed and institute single payer instead.
4. Revise the tax laws. Steer more tax dollars into my corporations so I don't have to declare bankruptcy again.
5. Buffoonish and dishonest, but non PC.
6. Great businessman. Has only declared bankruptcy 4 times!
7. Knows how to eviscerate menstruating losers.
8. Will play on our team. Or the other team. Depends which politicians are giving him the biggest kickbacks.
1. The last thing we need is a wall.
2. AMNESTY!
3. Repeal the terrible, terrible health care law that is so misnamed and institute single payer instead.
4. Revise the tax laws. Steer more tax dollars into my corporations so I don't have to declare bankruptcy again.
5. Buffoonish and dishonest, but non PC.
6. Great businessman. Has only declared bankruptcy 4 times!
7. Knows how to eviscerate menstruating losers.
8. Will play on our team. Or the other team. Depends which politicians are giving him the biggest kickbacks.
Posted by: Robert A. Fett at August 14, 2015 11:52 AM (lU0bX)
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Today's HotAir Softball Headline: "Will D.C. Decriminalize Prostitution?" Seriously Ed?
Posted by: Count John von Boehner at August 14, 2015 11:50 AM
Hell, the GOPe did that years ago.
In fact, it's damn near mandatory to be a cheap hooker to be considered a Viable Candidate.
Posted by: Count John von Boehner at August 14, 2015 11:50 AM
Hell, the GOPe did that years ago.
In fact, it's damn near mandatory to be a cheap hooker to be considered a Viable Candidate.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 14, 2015 11:52 AM (0atQl)
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They are in this together. Some way, some how.
Cruz is the only one to have powwowed with Trump.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2015 11:49 AM (UYkjZ)
Yeah, I remember that. And after the debate, Cruz was right up with Trump. Trump is drawing the slings and arrows while Cruz is building the organization and money base. Apparently he's 2nd to Jeb overall and first in hard money? Of course not counting Trumps $10 BILLION
Cruz is the only one to have powwowed with Trump.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2015 11:49 AM (UYkjZ)
Yeah, I remember that. And after the debate, Cruz was right up with Trump. Trump is drawing the slings and arrows while Cruz is building the organization and money base. Apparently he's 2nd to Jeb overall and first in hard money? Of course not counting Trumps $10 BILLION
Posted by: Iblis at August 14, 2015 11:52 AM (9221z)
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I have a friend who is still convinced Bush stole the Ohio election in
2004 because the Diebold machines. He is the opposite of you guys here
who are convinced Obama stole the election in 2012.
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The Ohio libs were pissed because SecState Ken Blackwell kept the Cincinnati area polling places open on election day '04 until the Cleveland crowd gave up and went home. Consequently the zombies, illegals, and other usual shenanigans from the Iron Triangle region did not occur, and Boosh carried Ohio legally. The new voting machines were used as an excuse, although the same machines have been used in every election since then without a murmur of protest.
In 2012 the state was within 1,000 votes or so for tipping Romney's way, or at least forcing a recount. BUT!! On cue about 11PM the NE counties of Ohio-Democrat strongholds all-had their holdout precincts report in with 99% going to Obummer! CPT Charles and I both watched it with great disbelief as the results were reported and accepted without demur, and by midnight it was beyond question, and the election was over.
I have a friend who is still convinced Bush stole the Ohio election in
2004 because the Diebold machines. He is the opposite of you guys here
who are convinced Obama stole the election in 2012.
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The Ohio libs were pissed because SecState Ken Blackwell kept the Cincinnati area polling places open on election day '04 until the Cleveland crowd gave up and went home. Consequently the zombies, illegals, and other usual shenanigans from the Iron Triangle region did not occur, and Boosh carried Ohio legally. The new voting machines were used as an excuse, although the same machines have been used in every election since then without a murmur of protest.
In 2012 the state was within 1,000 votes or so for tipping Romney's way, or at least forcing a recount. BUT!! On cue about 11PM the NE counties of Ohio-Democrat strongholds all-had their holdout precincts report in with 99% going to Obummer! CPT Charles and I both watched it with great disbelief as the results were reported and accepted without demur, and by midnight it was beyond question, and the election was over.
Posted by: exdem13 at August 14, 2015 11:53 AM (ry4ab)
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That analogy really breaks down when you try to figure out who batman corresponds to, and the motivations of the various parties.
That analogy really breaks down when you try to figure out who batman corresponds to, and the motivations of the various parties.
Posted by: joe at August 14, 2015 11:53 AM (KUaJL)
Posted by: JohnnyBoy at August 14, 2015 11:53 AM (l2Gqi)
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>>>However, Hillary is still going to get the nomination. Because as much as democrats like to think that they're all about tolerance, there is something incredibly emasculating about watching your candidate get chased off the podium of his own rally.
I get better tail than Sanders could even dream about.
I get better tail than Sanders could even dream about.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at August 14, 2015 11:53 AM (E5UB0)
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Oh crap. LaPadite isn't my last name. He's the guy who hid me. No wonder IMDB didn't have it.
Posted by: Shoshanna LaPedite at August 14, 2015 11:53 AM (JtwS4)
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The biggest problem the GOP has here is credibility.
In short, they have none.
No one will believe any of these people if they suddenly adopt Trump's position on illegal immigration.
That's what happens when you lie repeatedly for three decades.
In short, they have none.
No one will believe any of these people if they suddenly adopt Trump's position on illegal immigration.
That's what happens when you lie repeatedly for three decades.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 14, 2015 11:53 AM (oFCZn)
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Meant to use Hillary sock.
Posted by: Bruce Boehner at August 14, 2015 11:53 AM (E5UB0)
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>>No AMNESTY!
That's actually not true. Trump has said numerous times that he will grant some form of amnesty.
That's actually not true. Trump has said numerous times that he will grant some form of amnesty.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 14, 2015 11:54 AM (OGm46)
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get ready for Gore
Posted by: citizen 666 at August 14, 2015 11:54 AM (LPHFE)
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Or it could be much simpler than that. Hillary is running their show.
Posted by: Soona
George Soros is running Hillary's and BLM's show. BLM is a front group financed to disrupt the political process. Financed in part by Soros.
Chelsea was married on the estate of one of Soros' offspring. What a coincidence, huh?
Posted by: Soona
George Soros is running Hillary's and BLM's show. BLM is a front group financed to disrupt the political process. Financed in part by Soros.
Chelsea was married on the estate of one of Soros' offspring. What a coincidence, huh?
Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at August 14, 2015 11:54 AM (+1T7c)
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YIKES!
ISIS POSTS 'HIT LIST' WITH PERSONAL DATA ON WESTERN GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES
breitbart.com/national-security
ISIS POSTS 'HIT LIST' WITH PERSONAL DATA ON WESTERN GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES
breitbart.com/national-security
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Posted by: Robert A. Fett at August 14, 2015 11:52 AM (lU0bX)
Whatever, don't care about Trump, but can we stop acting like "a few projects out of thousands Trump had worked on have declared bankruptcy" is some kind of insult to his business acumen?
It's, uh, incredibly common in the business world and is not a negative thing. Bankruptcy law exists for a reason.
Whatever, don't care about Trump, but can we stop acting like "a few projects out of thousands Trump had worked on have declared bankruptcy" is some kind of insult to his business acumen?
It's, uh, incredibly common in the business world and is not a negative thing. Bankruptcy law exists for a reason.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 14, 2015 11:54 AM (AkOaV)
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So Drew attended the Ace School of Movie Reviews?
All kidding aside, good post Drew.
I say sit back enjoy the beverage of your choice and a salty snack.
All kidding aside, good post Drew.
I say sit back enjoy the beverage of your choice and a salty snack.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 14, 2015 11:54 AM (QyBQv)
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Bernie is doing well because this country is for all intents and purposes a socialist country. And the Democrat party is somewhere in between socialist and communism. So it makes perfect sense that a socialist is a rock star politician.
But this isn't something new. Obama is as far to the left as Sanders. The only difference between the two of them is honesty. Obama is a socialist but says he's not. Sanders is a socialist and says so openly.
So if Bernie were to become prez, he would simply be continuing Obama's socialist/communist agenda.
But this isn't something new. Obama is as far to the left as Sanders. The only difference between the two of them is honesty. Obama is a socialist but says he's not. Sanders is a socialist and says so openly.
So if Bernie were to become prez, he would simply be continuing Obama's socialist/communist agenda.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 11:55 AM (0LHZx)
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"Ann Coulter is a dumb scrunt." Of all the criticisms of Coulter, that's the lamest. She's probably the most highly intelligent pundit out there. Hell, run Coulter for the R ticket, and she gets my vote over the clowns in the race now.
Posted by: gp at August 14, 2015 11:30 AM (+Jpqc)
Yep, Coulter is dumb.
"A Connecticut native, Coulter graduated with honors from Cornell University School of Arts & Sciences, and received her J.D. from University of Michigan Law School, where she was an editor of The Michigan Law Review.
Coulter clerked for the Honorable Pasco Bowman II of the United States Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit and was an attorney in the Department of Justice Honors Program for outstanding law school graduates.
After practicing law in private practice in New York City, Coulter worked for the Senate Judiciary Committee, where she handled crime and immigration issues for Senator Spencer Abraham of Michigan. From there, she became a litigator with the Center For Individual Rights in Washington, DC, a public interest law firm dedicated to the defense of individual rights with particular emphasis on freedom of speech, civil rights, and the free exercise of religion."
Posted by: gp at August 14, 2015 11:30 AM (+Jpqc)
Yep, Coulter is dumb.
"A Connecticut native, Coulter graduated with honors from Cornell University School of Arts & Sciences, and received her J.D. from University of Michigan Law School, where she was an editor of The Michigan Law Review.
Coulter clerked for the Honorable Pasco Bowman II of the United States Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit and was an attorney in the Department of Justice Honors Program for outstanding law school graduates.
After practicing law in private practice in New York City, Coulter worked for the Senate Judiciary Committee, where she handled crime and immigration issues for Senator Spencer Abraham of Michigan. From there, she became a litigator with the Center For Individual Rights in Washington, DC, a public interest law firm dedicated to the defense of individual rights with particular emphasis on freedom of speech, civil rights, and the free exercise of religion."
Posted by: Jen the original at August 14, 2015 11:55 AM (TJBhx)
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There's a reason the Black Lives Matter protestors haven't invaded
Hillary's space, because we all suspect she'd shriek "GUARDS! SEIZE
THEM!" super villain style,
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Or it could be much simpler than that. Hillary is running their show.
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Don't you remember from last week? Her Thighness had them locked out of the ball. Disney villains got nothing on her.
There's a reason the Black Lives Matter protestors haven't invaded
Hillary's space, because we all suspect she'd shriek "GUARDS! SEIZE
THEM!" super villain style,
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Or it could be much simpler than that. Hillary is running their show.
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Don't you remember from last week? Her Thighness had them locked out of the ball. Disney villains got nothing on her.
Posted by: exdem13 at August 14, 2015 11:55 AM (ry4ab)
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Things are different this go-round. The incumbency
is in the hands of the Democrats, even if the Mocha Messiah is out
personally due to term limits. And Hillary has hardly been charismatic. I
think there is a good chance Trump could siphon off a lot of LIV's in
the democrat camp based on name recognition alone.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 14, 2015 11:45 AM (tQwIz)
That's what I was thinking... add to that the fact that there will be much lower Dem turnout this time- no way the "First Woman Pres" out-draws the "First Black Pres" in terms of raw number of votes- and I see a Trump 3rd party run as a positive for us.
is in the hands of the Democrats, even if the Mocha Messiah is out
personally due to term limits. And Hillary has hardly been charismatic. I
think there is a good chance Trump could siphon off a lot of LIV's in
the democrat camp based on name recognition alone.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 14, 2015 11:45 AM (tQwIz)
That's what I was thinking... add to that the fact that there will be much lower Dem turnout this time- no way the "First Woman Pres" out-draws the "First Black Pres" in terms of raw number of votes- and I see a Trump 3rd party run as a positive for us.
Posted by: Dirty Randy at August 14, 2015 11:55 AM (jjaLl)
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That's actually not true. Trump has said numerous times that he will grant some form of amnesty.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 14, 2015 11:54 AM (OGm46)
This all comes back to word games. Again, not specific to Trump, but...
"comprehensive immigration reform" and "amnesty" are euphemisms that mean whatever the media and politicians want them to mean at any given time.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 14, 2015 11:54 AM (OGm46)
This all comes back to word games. Again, not specific to Trump, but...
"comprehensive immigration reform" and "amnesty" are euphemisms that mean whatever the media and politicians want them to mean at any given time.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 14, 2015 11:55 AM (AkOaV)
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I was told I was being unAmerican and didn't care about peoples kids' futures when I sat out 2012. Now the same people who insulted me and yelled at me are refusing to support the front runner in the R primaries, and have excommunicated him from polite society.
Posted by: mynewhandle
So because Romney was not your first choice, you sit out altogether? There wasn't a single conservative ballot issue or candidate on your entire ballot? I find that hard to believe.
Posted by: mynewhandle
So because Romney was not your first choice, you sit out altogether? There wasn't a single conservative ballot issue or candidate on your entire ballot? I find that hard to believe.
Posted by: Coolio at August 14, 2015 11:56 AM (nGBJw)
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It's, uh, incredibly common in the business world and is not a negative thing. Bankruptcy law exists for a reason.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 14, 2015 11:54 AM
Won't be long before the feral government has to give it a try.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 14, 2015 11:54 AM
Won't be long before the feral government has to give it a try.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 14, 2015 11:56 AM (0atQl)
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Sky News reports the hit list includes British Foreign Office employees, plus a "local council employee."
Most of the names on the list are American, including personnel from the Air Force, Marines, NASA, FBI, and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. Russian state outlet RT.com says the list also includes "a worker in an Israeli magistrate's court" and "someone in a college in Mississippi."
Sky News reports the hit list includes British Foreign Office employees, plus a "local council employee."
Most of the names on the list are American, including personnel from the Air Force, Marines, NASA, FBI, and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. Russian state outlet RT.com says the list also includes "a worker in an Israeli magistrate's court" and "someone in a college in Mississippi."
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 11:56 AM (qCMvj)
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The biggest problem the GOP has here is credibility.
In short, they have none.
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Their mommies should have told them about the Boy Who Cried Wolf when they were little.
In short, they have none.
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Their mommies should have told them about the Boy Who Cried Wolf when they were little.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 14, 2015 11:56 AM (XUKZU)
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>>Whatever, don't care about Trump, but can we stop acting like "a few projects out of thousands Trump had worked on have declared bankruptcy" is some kind of insult to his business acumen?
It wasn't just a few projects. He faced complete bankruptcy of his entire empire when he was just a few billion short of assets.
He got out of it because as the old saying goes when you owe the bank $100 you have a problem, owe them a few billion and they have a problem.
It wasn't just a few projects. He faced complete bankruptcy of his entire empire when he was just a few billion short of assets.
He got out of it because as the old saying goes when you owe the bank $100 you have a problem, owe them a few billion and they have a problem.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 14, 2015 11:57 AM (OGm46)
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"Sure but we have to give them amnesty just for the chance to even sell them on conservatism. It'll take time but we're awesome sales people, we can do it!"
Uh huh.
So why is there no Spanish-language conservative talk-radio.
We know talk-radio works, and we know the market for Spanish-language radio is huge. It seems like an obvious match.
Why isn't it happening?
Uh huh.
So why is there no Spanish-language conservative talk-radio.
We know talk-radio works, and we know the market for Spanish-language radio is huge. It seems like an obvious match.
Why isn't it happening?
Posted by: V the K at August 14, 2015 11:57 AM (O7MnT)
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She's a capitalist first and foremost!
Adios, America Hardcover -- June 1, 2015
by Ann Coulter
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 11:51 AM (qCMvj)
This is true. Also: Go Big Red. And somebody be sure to tell Olbermann the Ag School doesn't qualify.
Adios, America Hardcover -- June 1, 2015
by Ann Coulter
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 11:51 AM (qCMvj)
This is true. Also: Go Big Red. And somebody be sure to tell Olbermann the Ag School doesn't qualify.
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I don't think trump is the end of conservatism, because he is not a conservative. He is just typical of modern day celebrity, kind of a Celebrity Apprentice Candidate! Maybe he will accept the rose or not in the season finale.
Entertainment. but it matters not.
I don't think trump is the end of conservatism, because he is not a conservative. He is just typical of modern day celebrity, kind of a Celebrity Apprentice Candidate! Maybe he will accept the rose or not in the season finale.
Entertainment. but it matters not.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 14, 2015 11:57 AM (ODxAs)
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You forgot sister-raping.
Posted by: AOSHQ Style Guide at August 14, 2015 11:19 AM (Yrjee)
It's not rape when it's consensual, knowwhatimsayin'?
Posted by: AOSHQ Style Guide at August 14, 2015 11:19 AM (Yrjee)
It's not rape when it's consensual, knowwhatimsayin'?
Posted by: Blano at August 14, 2015 11:58 AM (w1ewr)
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leave no footprint
ISIS social media accounts are buzzing with a spreadsheet of personal data on employees of the American, British, and Australian governments, including military personnel. The Islamic State claims this list was compiled using data stolen from government systems by its "hacking division," although some experts who have reviewed the list say most of it was more likely created using simple Google searches of publicly available data. There are about 1,400 individuals included on the list.
ISIS social media accounts are buzzing with a spreadsheet of personal data on employees of the American, British, and Australian governments, including military personnel. The Islamic State claims this list was compiled using data stolen from government systems by its "hacking division," although some experts who have reviewed the list say most of it was more likely created using simple Google searches of publicly available data. There are about 1,400 individuals included on the list.
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183 Today's HotAir Softball Headline: "Will D.C. Decriminalize Prostitution?"
Seriously Ed?
Posted by: Count John von Boehner at August 14, 2015 11:50 AM (TxJGV
You should have called him Shirley
Seriously Ed?
Posted by: Count John von Boehner at August 14, 2015 11:50 AM (TxJGV
You should have called him Shirley
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 14, 2015 11:58 AM (QyBQv)
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>>"comprehensive immigration reform" and "amnesty" are euphemisms that mean whatever the media and politicians want them to mean at any given time.
No actually he has been quite clear on saying that those here who aren't criminals can stay as long as they are productive whatever that means.
No actually he has been quite clear on saying that those here who aren't criminals can stay as long as they are productive whatever that means.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 14, 2015 11:59 AM (OGm46)
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>>>Sorry, he didn't demonstrate anything. He just flapped his nicely elocuting British gums.
But very capable and artful condescension.
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well Charles Cooke has been a ferocious defender of the 2nd Amendment, and Donald Trump has previously supported the nonsense "assault weapons ban," but I guess we are Post-Positions/Post-Issues in our thinking now.
Charles Cooke is a queer for defending the 2nd Amendment, and Donald Trump is a hero for attacking it.
And this is... I don't know what the hell this is, this is now the Conservatively Correct position on things.
A lot of the same people supporting Trump were claiming they could not support candidate x, y, and z for heresies on issues; now we see that all of that was nonsense and bullshit, the issues didn't matter, they were just a justification for a gut opposition.
But very capable and artful condescension.
...
well Charles Cooke has been a ferocious defender of the 2nd Amendment, and Donald Trump has previously supported the nonsense "assault weapons ban," but I guess we are Post-Positions/Post-Issues in our thinking now.
Charles Cooke is a queer for defending the 2nd Amendment, and Donald Trump is a hero for attacking it.
And this is... I don't know what the hell this is, this is now the Conservatively Correct position on things.
A lot of the same people supporting Trump were claiming they could not support candidate x, y, and z for heresies on issues; now we see that all of that was nonsense and bullshit, the issues didn't matter, they were just a justification for a gut opposition.
Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 11:59 AM (dciA+)
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I quit reading conservative political books about 10 years ago, maybe longer.
We all know what the problems are and who is causing them. I don't need a book to tell me what it is.
We all know what the problems are and who is causing them. I don't need a book to tell me what it is.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 14, 2015 12:00 PM (oFCZn)
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So because Romney was not your first choice, you sit out altogether? There wasn't a single conservative ballot issue or candidate on your entire ballot? I find that hard to believe.
Posted by: Coolio at August 14, 2015 11:56 AM (nGBJw)
Well, no, there was definitely not a single conservative candidate or ballot issue on my ballot in CT in 2012. haha.
But I voted down ballot in '12. '08 (McCain) was the one I sat out all together.
Posted by: Coolio at August 14, 2015 11:56 AM (nGBJw)
Well, no, there was definitely not a single conservative candidate or ballot issue on my ballot in CT in 2012. haha.
But I voted down ballot in '12. '08 (McCain) was the one I sat out all together.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 14, 2015 12:00 PM (AkOaV)
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For the Trump supporters though, how do you see this playing out?
If Trump gets the nomination, do you really think he becomes President on the one issue of building a wall? Don't you think that would start showing up in polling against Hillary by now?
Everyone on planet Earth knows Trump said he wanted to build a wall, yet he's losing to Hillary by something like 30 points.
If Trump loses a 40 state landslide, you really think the Establishment wing of the Party suffers? To me, it would only strengthen their hands significantly.
If Trump gets the nomination, do you really think he becomes President on the one issue of building a wall? Don't you think that would start showing up in polling against Hillary by now?
Everyone on planet Earth knows Trump said he wanted to build a wall, yet he's losing to Hillary by something like 30 points.
If Trump loses a 40 state landslide, you really think the Establishment wing of the Party suffers? To me, it would only strengthen their hands significantly.
Posted by: McAdams at August 14, 2015 12:00 PM (nq/J2)
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Behold the "otherizaton" of Trump supporters.
Posted by: Chris Vaughn at August 14, 2015 12:01 PM (Bcqod)
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Chi-Town Jerry, good points.
Let me know your take on this part of his essay, deals with the candidates and race:
"Cruz and Rubio are both Latinos. Some republicans seem to think that is like a magic bullet, and suddenly republicans are going to get the Latino vote. That's stupid. Just stop. The concept of "Latino" as a demographic is horribly flawed and unrealistic to begin with. How in the hell can you expect to stick people whose ancestors originate from one whole continent, the bottom half of another continent, and the west end of a third continent, islands in every hemisphere, spread over like 30 countries, in America between one and ten generations, and expect them to be this homogenous voting block?
Though since Cruz and Rubio are both Cuban, I expect to see the media declare that Cubans aren't real Latinos. Sort of like when the government declared that Portuguese are Latino, and I was all like MWA HA HA HAAAAA I'M OFFICIALLY A MINORITY and they were all like oh shit what have we done?
On the same note, some republicans seem to think that if we run Ben Carson, republicans will suddenly get the black vote. I like Ben Carson. I think he's probably a really good man. I also think focusing on his race is an incredibly stupid philosophy, and one that the democrats will beat republicans at every time. Identity politics are stupid democrat games. Don't be surprised when you play their game and lose. That's because they make the rules and game is rigged. You want to win, convince people that you're worth voting for.
The problem with Ben Carson is that he's not a politician, and it shows. You'd think being a non-politician at a time when everybody hates politicians would be a winning proposition, but they still have to know how to play the game. Trump isn't a politician either, but he is a consummate game player. Fiorina isn't a politician, but judging by how she rolled Jabba the Matthews, she's got game. As a brain surgeon Carson is probably the smartest guy on the stage, but he's not a political animal. Hillary has 1/3 of Carson's IQ and none of his humility, but my gut feeling is that she'd walk all over him in a debate. Then Carson had to go and suck on guns, which is a kiss of death issue with the base."
Let me know your take on this part of his essay, deals with the candidates and race:
"Cruz and Rubio are both Latinos. Some republicans seem to think that is like a magic bullet, and suddenly republicans are going to get the Latino vote. That's stupid. Just stop. The concept of "Latino" as a demographic is horribly flawed and unrealistic to begin with. How in the hell can you expect to stick people whose ancestors originate from one whole continent, the bottom half of another continent, and the west end of a third continent, islands in every hemisphere, spread over like 30 countries, in America between one and ten generations, and expect them to be this homogenous voting block?
Though since Cruz and Rubio are both Cuban, I expect to see the media declare that Cubans aren't real Latinos. Sort of like when the government declared that Portuguese are Latino, and I was all like MWA HA HA HAAAAA I'M OFFICIALLY A MINORITY and they were all like oh shit what have we done?
On the same note, some republicans seem to think that if we run Ben Carson, republicans will suddenly get the black vote. I like Ben Carson. I think he's probably a really good man. I also think focusing on his race is an incredibly stupid philosophy, and one that the democrats will beat republicans at every time. Identity politics are stupid democrat games. Don't be surprised when you play their game and lose. That's because they make the rules and game is rigged. You want to win, convince people that you're worth voting for.
The problem with Ben Carson is that he's not a politician, and it shows. You'd think being a non-politician at a time when everybody hates politicians would be a winning proposition, but they still have to know how to play the game. Trump isn't a politician either, but he is a consummate game player. Fiorina isn't a politician, but judging by how she rolled Jabba the Matthews, she's got game. As a brain surgeon Carson is probably the smartest guy on the stage, but he's not a political animal. Hillary has 1/3 of Carson's IQ and none of his humility, but my gut feeling is that she'd walk all over him in a debate. Then Carson had to go and suck on guns, which is a kiss of death issue with the base."
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Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 11:28 AM (0LHZx)
You are a fvcking retard....I'll give you that.
Black voting was at an all-time high. The 2008 and 2012 voters were not part of the base. They were two-time voters.
Are you really so stupid that you can't see that?
Wow.
You are a fvcking retard....I'll give you that.
Black voting was at an all-time high. The 2008 and 2012 voters were not part of the base. They were two-time voters.
Are you really so stupid that you can't see that?
Wow.
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Look at Drew caring and acting like any of it matters. That maybe the GOP isn't a pack of lying statists and cronyists. Thought he'd been body snatched until the last paragraph. Also, no idea how he doesn't understand Trump's supporters on the right: they consist largely of people giving Boehner, McConnell, and the vast majority of the GOP pols the middle finger, a sentiment I had thought Drew shared. Far from ill informed, these people are the most informed and know best how screwed we are if we don't change the political dynamic.
Posted by: gm at August 14, 2015 12:01 PM (K0tm3)
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In 2012 the state was within 1,000 votes or so for tipping Romney's way, or at least forcing a recount. BUT!! On cue about 11PM the NE counties of Ohio-Democrat strongholds all-had their holdout precincts report in with 99% going to Obummer! CPT Charles and I both watched it with great disbelief as the results were reported and accepted without demur, and by midnight it was beyond question, and the election was over.
Posted by: exdem13 at August 14, 2015 11:53 AM (ry4ab)
And these shenanigans is why Kasich is disqualified.
In 2012 the state was within 1,000 votes or so for tipping Romney's way, or at least forcing a recount. BUT!! On cue about 11PM the NE counties of Ohio-Democrat strongholds all-had their holdout precincts report in with 99% going to Obummer! CPT Charles and I both watched it with great disbelief as the results were reported and accepted without demur, and by midnight it was beyond question, and the election was over.
Posted by: exdem13 at August 14, 2015 11:53 AM (ry4ab)
And these shenanigans is why Kasich is disqualified.
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You know... the same exact people who throw hissy fits every time a
general election comes around saying "YOU HAVE TO SUPPORT OUR MODERATE
RINO CANDIDATE OR YOU HATE AMERICA!!!! WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU WONT VOTE?
YOU WANT A SOCIALIST TO WIN!?!?!" are the ones saying "FUCK the GOP
front runner! I will never support him under any circumstances. And fuck
his supporters in particular."
Strange, isn't it.
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Well if you give people an actual choice beyond "moderate RINO A, B or C", they just might take it, no?
You know... the same exact people who throw hissy fits every time a
general election comes around saying "YOU HAVE TO SUPPORT OUR MODERATE
RINO CANDIDATE OR YOU HATE AMERICA!!!! WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU WONT VOTE?
YOU WANT A SOCIALIST TO WIN!?!?!" are the ones saying "FUCK the GOP
front runner! I will never support him under any circumstances. And fuck
his supporters in particular."
Strange, isn't it.
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Well if you give people an actual choice beyond "moderate RINO A, B or C", they just might take it, no?
Posted by: exdem13 at August 14, 2015 12:01 PM (ry4ab)
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The stupid reporters said the pig wrestlers may face assault charges for throwing the animal rights people out. They just make shit up.
Posted by: Wang With a Wang! at August 14, 2015 11:49 AM (iQIUe)
No, in this case, they aren't making things up. Unless Mr.Pig Wrestler can prove that he was threatened or had reason to feel he was in danger, throwing the rainbow wigged one over the fence was an aggressive physical attack that he could be charged with assault.
Swing at someone mouthing off at you in a bar? Get charged with assault.
Toss an egg at a candidate? Get charged with assault.
Law of Self Defense, an excellent book by Andrew Branca on Conceal Carry, goes into detail about being the agressor, getting charged with assault, etc. You can't simply get pissed off at someone and physically attack them.
Posted by: Wang With a Wang! at August 14, 2015 11:49 AM (iQIUe)
No, in this case, they aren't making things up. Unless Mr.Pig Wrestler can prove that he was threatened or had reason to feel he was in danger, throwing the rainbow wigged one over the fence was an aggressive physical attack that he could be charged with assault.
Swing at someone mouthing off at you in a bar? Get charged with assault.
Toss an egg at a candidate? Get charged with assault.
Law of Self Defense, an excellent book by Andrew Branca on Conceal Carry, goes into detail about being the agressor, getting charged with assault, etc. You can't simply get pissed off at someone and physically attack them.
Posted by: Jen the original at August 14, 2015 12:01 PM (TJBhx)
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Charles Cooke demonstrated nothing last night.
NRO is full blown fucking nuts on Trump.
I mean that, they are losing their fucking minds.
NRO is full blown fucking nuts on Trump.
I mean that, they are losing their fucking minds.
Posted by: prescient11 at August 14, 2015 12:01 PM (q5APL)
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If Trump wins the White House it will because of one issue, hatred for the Donks and the GOPes.
Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 14, 2015 12:02 PM (XUKZU)
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>>>And this is... I don't know what the hell this is, this is now the Conservatively Correct position on things.-ace
As with Obama supporters molding him to their blank slate beliefs so are the Trump supporters. Obamas "hope & change" has been replaced by Trump's in your face populism.
Trump is no more a republican than i'm the starting shortstop for the SF Giants. But, he is good theater at the moment.
As with Obama supporters molding him to their blank slate beliefs so are the Trump supporters. Obamas "hope & change" has been replaced by Trump's in your face populism.
Trump is no more a republican than i'm the starting shortstop for the SF Giants. But, he is good theater at the moment.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 14, 2015 12:02 PM (QyBQv)
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Do no Trump supporters detect any inconsistency in their claims like "I could never support Rick Perry, he bothered me on x issue" and "It doesn't matter that Trump has been 'very pro choice,' pro-assault weapons ban, pro-wealth tax, etc....?"
If that's you're position, that's fine, but stop fucking treating everyone else as if they're Cray-Cray for sticking to the same position they've had.
If that's you're position, that's fine, but stop fucking treating everyone else as if they're Cray-Cray for sticking to the same position they've had.
Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 12:02 PM (dciA+)
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Why is it so imperative to treat Trump supporters differently from Rand Paul supporters or Mike Huckabee supporters?
Is it because he is 1.) outside the party and 2.) winning?
Is it because he is 1.) outside the party and 2.) winning?
Posted by: V the K at August 14, 2015 12:02 PM (O7MnT)
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"Only" 4 bankruptcies!
Trump Taj Mahal in Atlantic City
Trump Plaza Hotel in Atlantic City
Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts
Trump Entertainment Resorts
Pfft. Who's heard of any of those? #TrumpBizGenius
Trump Taj Mahal in Atlantic City
Trump Plaza Hotel in Atlantic City
Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts
Trump Entertainment Resorts
Pfft. Who's heard of any of those? #TrumpBizGenius
Posted by: Robert A. Fett at August 14, 2015 12:03 PM (lU0bX)
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I don't think trump is the end of conservatism, because he is not a conservative. He is just typical of modern day celebrity, kind of a Celebrity Apprentice Candidate! Maybe he will accept the rose or not in the season finale.
Entertainment. but it matters not.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
And this is pretty much what Andrew Breitbart said about Trump when he was talking about a Presidential run previously. Celebrity candidate with no conservative bona fides.
Entertainment. but it matters not.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
And this is pretty much what Andrew Breitbart said about Trump when he was talking about a Presidential run previously. Celebrity candidate with no conservative bona fides.
Posted by: Cheri at August 14, 2015 12:03 PM (oiNtH)
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To anyone familiar with "The Mote in God's Eye", think on this:
Trump is a Crazy Eddie solution.
Trump is a Crazy Eddie solution.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 14, 2015 12:03 PM (2l5vw)
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So ISIS is how the federal government gets smaller?
Posted by: citizen 666 at August 14, 2015 12:03 PM (LPHFE)
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Conservatives should be campaigning with Trump, not against him. I don't like him and he's way down on who I'll support, but he fights. He's the Joe Hooker of this campaign and I'd use him as such. Encourage him to go after Democrats and the media (but I repeat myself). Campaign with him and try to persuade his supporters that your candidate is better, not that Trump is a loser/jerk/whatever.
Civil wars aren't won by attacking the people on your side. Win the war, then purge, no the other way around.
Civil wars aren't won by attacking the people on your side. Win the war, then purge, no the other way around.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at August 14, 2015 12:03 PM (MFOmZ)
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Obama beat Romney by 5M votes nationally. And as good as Dems are at finding votes in trunks, they're not good enough to find 5M extra votes.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 11:26 AM (0LHZx)
A long-running theory I've had is that voter fraud is so pervasive and extensive in this country that if somebody actually discovered the extent of it, the nation would go ape shit and the Democratic Party would be destroyed.
That, in my opinion, is why the Pathetic Left fights the issue so hard.
I could easily see Leftist scum coming up with 5 million fake votes.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 14, 2015 11:26 AM (0LHZx)
A long-running theory I've had is that voter fraud is so pervasive and extensive in this country that if somebody actually discovered the extent of it, the nation would go ape shit and the Democratic Party would be destroyed.
That, in my opinion, is why the Pathetic Left fights the issue so hard.
I could easily see Leftist scum coming up with 5 million fake votes.
Posted by: Blano at August 14, 2015 12:04 PM (w1ewr)
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Yes, Donald Trump, pro-chocie, pro-assault weapons ban, pro-single payer socialized medicine, pro-wealth tax -- there's your non-moderate non-RINO right there.
Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 12:04 PM (dciA+)
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I would never vote for Jeb, but I don't think the Jeb supporters are idiots, just that they are not conservatives.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 14, 2015 12:04 PM (evdj2)
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To anyone familiar with "The Mote in God's Eye", think on this:
Trump is a Crazy Eddie solution.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 14, 2015 12:03 PM (2l5vw)
I've got that book laying around here some place.
Trump is a Crazy Eddie solution.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 14, 2015 12:03 PM (2l5vw)
I've got that book laying around here some place.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 12:04 PM (qCMvj)
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"His enablers"???
What are you talking about? He's an announced candidate who is running for the GOP nomination for President.
It's fine if you don't think Trump is a serious candidate. I have the same reservation. As Savage pondered the other night, I don't know if Trump can put up with this constant abuse time and time and time again.
I expect such antics from Salon, not from NRO, the Weekly Standard or anything that Salem owns.
It's fucking disgusting.
What are you talking about? He's an announced candidate who is running for the GOP nomination for President.
It's fine if you don't think Trump is a serious candidate. I have the same reservation. As Savage pondered the other night, I don't know if Trump can put up with this constant abuse time and time and time again.
I expect such antics from Salon, not from NRO, the Weekly Standard or anything that Salem owns.
It's fucking disgusting.
Posted by: prescient11 at August 14, 2015 12:05 PM (q5APL)
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So ISIS is how the federal government gets smaller?
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Holy shit! So the Donks were right. We really are just like ISIS!
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Holy shit! So the Donks were right. We really are just like ISIS!
Posted by: The Great White Snark at August 14, 2015 12:05 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 12:05 PM (dciA+)
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Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 11:59 AM (dciA+)
We (at least many of us) have been claiming that the left is just nuts.
Well....apparently it's contagious.
Trump is Jeb with a wall, and against guns.
We (at least many of us) have been claiming that the left is just nuts.
Well....apparently it's contagious.
Trump is Jeb with a wall, and against guns.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 14, 2015 12:05 PM (Zu3d9)
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It doesn't matter what Trumps positions are. I support his candidacy but believe he'll self implode sooner or later. I'm just enjoying the flop sweat of the RINO's that are horrified to find that the knife that was plunged into the conservative's back has been pulled out and it looks like Trump. The more he makes them squirm the better. I'll vote for anyone over Hillary except Jeb Bush and it looks like they're setting it up for just that choice. Why did Kasich (Ohio) and Gilmore (Virginia) jump into the race so late? Why is the RNC still shovelling money to 1% Perry? Could it be that they'll be throwing their meager delegates to Jeb in a convention fight? Let the pigs fight it out in the mud. They deserve each other.
Posted by: Sherlockzz at August 14, 2015 12:05 PM (lZS3M)
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Entertainment. but it matters not.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
One would think so, but it's amazing how many people have put their own tits in a wringer over his 'campaign.'
I was told, assured, and instructed to believe that the GOP was full of my Betters, those in the know, professionals.
I am beginning to doubt that.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
One would think so, but it's amazing how many people have put their own tits in a wringer over his 'campaign.'
I was told, assured, and instructed to believe that the GOP was full of my Betters, those in the know, professionals.
I am beginning to doubt that.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2015 12:05 PM (ZCFje)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 14, 2015 12:06 PM (evdj2)
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I could easily see Leftist scum coming up with 5 million fake votes.
When inner city precincts are turning out 110% of voters, and they all vote for Obama, it's not hard to imagine.
When inner city precincts are turning out 110% of voters, and they all vote for Obama, it's not hard to imagine.
Posted by: V the K at August 14, 2015 12:06 PM (O7MnT)
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So....may I please enjoy the butt-hurt that Trump is causing the GOP while still rejecting his overall political philosophy?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 14, 2015 11:10
Yes, yes you may.
So....may I please enjoy the butt-hurt that Trump is causing the GOP while still rejecting his overall political philosophy?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 14, 2015 11:10
Yes, yes you may.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 14, 2015 12:06 PM (QyBQv)
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Trump is a Crazy Eddie solution.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 14, 2015 12:03 PM (2l5vw)
I always wondered why aliens called their radicals "Crazy Eddies" I mean how'd they even know about Crazy Eddie?
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 14, 2015 12:03 PM (2l5vw)
I always wondered why aliens called their radicals "Crazy Eddies" I mean how'd they even know about Crazy Eddie?
Posted by: Iblis at August 14, 2015 12:06 PM (9221z)
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"Rush, Hannity, and Levine?"
"Levine?"
I can't take seriously someone who does not know Mark LEVIN, a former member of the Reagan administration and an arguer before the Supreme Court.
I love that you dismiss Rush so airily. You're obviously an ignoramus and proud of it.
Hannity is a light-weight, so let's not throw him into the mix. Nice guy, bit of an hysteric.
"Levine?"
I can't take seriously someone who does not know Mark LEVIN, a former member of the Reagan administration and an arguer before the Supreme Court.
I love that you dismiss Rush so airily. You're obviously an ignoramus and proud of it.
Hannity is a light-weight, so let's not throw him into the mix. Nice guy, bit of an hysteric.
Posted by: Semi-Divine Providence at August 14, 2015 12:07 PM (SJ184)
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The top funders by Zip Code for Hillary!, Jeb?, Cruz, Sanders, Huckabee, and Rand Paul. The maps makes things pop out, especially since Hillary! seems to get money from only three places in the US.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/qep5n6e
http://preview.tinyurl.com/qep5n6e
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 14, 2015 12:07 PM (yr/x+)
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I'm not for Trump, but I'll gladly hold his coat while he slaughters the left's sacred cows.
Posted by: ahem at August 14, 2015 12:07 PM (lKGzI)
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So, was the movie any good?
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at August 14, 2015 12:07 PM (/Ho8c)
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Well, if you've abandoned the GOP and have been talking about wanting to see it destroyed, yet you scoff at Trump and dismiss him out of hand, then you were basically full of shit.
I don't see Trump as anything but the most viable way to derail the GOP.
*Disclaimer: not a Trump supporter.
I don't see Trump as anything but the most viable way to derail the GOP.
*Disclaimer: not a Trump supporter.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 14, 2015 12:07 PM (xSCb6)
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They are in this together. Some way, some how.
Cruz is the only one to have powwowed with Trump.
Posted by: rickb223
I will keep repeating:
After the NYC meeting and during the debate, Cruz went apeshit on McConnell's lying RINO ass.
Trump is out there praising Cruz and Cruz says it is foolish to criticize Trump.
Only Trump's money can possibly push a conservative through the GOPe establishment gate guards.
Only Cruz ' conservatism will push DT through to the base.
If you like Cruz, you had better get used to Trump.
Cruz is the only one to have powwowed with Trump.
Posted by: rickb223
I will keep repeating:
After the NYC meeting and during the debate, Cruz went apeshit on McConnell's lying RINO ass.
Trump is out there praising Cruz and Cruz says it is foolish to criticize Trump.
Only Trump's money can possibly push a conservative through the GOPe establishment gate guards.
Only Cruz ' conservatism will push DT through to the base.
If you like Cruz, you had better get used to Trump.
Posted by: some random meathead at August 14, 2015 12:07 PM (Yrjee)
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Lots of people don't consider Trump a serious candidate (but Jeb is????) but Trump is going to lose billions of dollars over what he's doing now.
Noone else has that skin in the game, they're too timid and love their sinicures too much.
Trump's the only one I see having much riding on the outcome.
Lots of people don't consider Trump a serious candidate (but Jeb is????) but Trump is going to lose billions of dollars over what he's doing now.
Noone else has that skin in the game, they're too timid and love their sinicures too much.
Trump's the only one I see having much riding on the outcome.
Posted by: MAx at August 14, 2015 12:08 PM (LAliD)
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Bernie is doing well because this country is for all intents and
purposes a socialist country. And the Democrat party is somewhere in
between socialist and communism. So it makes perfect sense that a
socialist is a rock star politician.
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Bernie is doing well because he has publicly dared Her Thighness to walk the talk on the Left's positions. Since the candidate for Coronation 2016 won't debate, won't do real interviews, and won't do real public appearances, he is building a lead. This situation only reinforces my belief that in 2016 Obummer will bestow his blessing on a candidate who is not Bernie Sanders, who will then clean the Hildabeast's clock and end her as a political force.
Bernie is doing well because this country is for all intents and
purposes a socialist country. And the Democrat party is somewhere in
between socialist and communism. So it makes perfect sense that a
socialist is a rock star politician.
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Bernie is doing well because he has publicly dared Her Thighness to walk the talk on the Left's positions. Since the candidate for Coronation 2016 won't debate, won't do real interviews, and won't do real public appearances, he is building a lead. This situation only reinforces my belief that in 2016 Obummer will bestow his blessing on a candidate who is not Bernie Sanders, who will then clean the Hildabeast's clock and end her as a political force.
Posted by: exdem13 at August 14, 2015 12:08 PM (ry4ab)
Posted by: Charley Sheen at August 14, 2015 12:08 PM (jjaLl)
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246 Yes, Donald Trump, pro-chocie, pro-assault weapons ban, pro-single payer socialized medicine, pro-wealth tax -- there's your non-moderate non-RINO right there.
Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 12:04 PM (dciA
But, but, but, the wall.
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Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 12:04 PM (dciA
But, but, but, the wall.
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Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 14, 2015 12:08 PM (QyBQv)
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No, in this case, they aren't making things up. Unless Mr.Pig Wrestler can prove that he was threatened or had reason to feel he was in danger, throwing the rainbow wigged one over the fence was an aggressive physical attack that he could be charged with assault.
Swing at someone mouthing off at you in a bar? Get charged with assault.
Toss an egg at a candidate? Get charged with assault.
Law of Self Defense, an excellent book by Andrew Branca on Conceal Carry, goes into detail about being the agressor, getting charged with assault, etc. You can't simply get pissed off at someone and physically attack them.
Posted by: Jen the original at August 14, 2015 12:01 PM (TJBhx)
If it goes to court, the best approach for the defense would be to claim (with a poker face) that pig wrestlin' is a dangerous activity, only to be engaged in by "trained professionals" and that the protestor was in mortal danger of being savaged by the pig. Pigs have bad eyesight, and might easily mistake the fellow's green wig for a tasty head of lettuce, with tragic results. So throwing the guy over the fence was simply an effort to save him from harm.
Swing at someone mouthing off at you in a bar? Get charged with assault.
Toss an egg at a candidate? Get charged with assault.
Law of Self Defense, an excellent book by Andrew Branca on Conceal Carry, goes into detail about being the agressor, getting charged with assault, etc. You can't simply get pissed off at someone and physically attack them.
Posted by: Jen the original at August 14, 2015 12:01 PM (TJBhx)
If it goes to court, the best approach for the defense would be to claim (with a poker face) that pig wrestlin' is a dangerous activity, only to be engaged in by "trained professionals" and that the protestor was in mortal danger of being savaged by the pig. Pigs have bad eyesight, and might easily mistake the fellow's green wig for a tasty head of lettuce, with tragic results. So throwing the guy over the fence was simply an effort to save him from harm.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 14, 2015 12:08 PM (tQwIz)
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Trump's appeal is very simple, and NOT something the GOP can fight.
He is not a Politician.... he speaks his mind... he constantly goes off script... he's ALWAYS in trouble for being sexist or racist or something... he is not polished or scripted..
In other words.... he's just like US...
I do NOT want Trump as President... although I'm sure some here see me as a Trump supporter, because I will defend him...
But the GOP needs a punch in the face...
Hell.... they have a HISTORIC chance to make this entire election about the Constitution, and rule of LAW... and how our elected officials need to be held accountable....
But they won't, because THEY do not want to be held accountable either.
He is not a Politician.... he speaks his mind... he constantly goes off script... he's ALWAYS in trouble for being sexist or racist or something... he is not polished or scripted..
In other words.... he's just like US...
I do NOT want Trump as President... although I'm sure some here see me as a Trump supporter, because I will defend him...
But the GOP needs a punch in the face...
Hell.... they have a HISTORIC chance to make this entire election about the Constitution, and rule of LAW... and how our elected officials need to be held accountable....
But they won't, because THEY do not want to be held accountable either.
Posted by: BB Wolf at August 14, 2015 12:08 PM (qh617)
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Unless Mr.Pig Wrestler can prove that he was threatened or had reason
to feel he was in danger, throwing the rainbow wigged one over the fence
was an aggressive physical attack that he could be charged with
assault.
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I often see pro-sports players tackling idiots that run onto the field at sporting events.
Isn't this the same thing? Are they criminally liable as well?
to feel he was in danger, throwing the rainbow wigged one over the fence
was an aggressive physical attack that he could be charged with
assault.
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I often see pro-sports players tackling idiots that run onto the field at sporting events.
Isn't this the same thing? Are they criminally liable as well?
Posted by: 18-1 at August 14, 2015 12:09 PM (78TbK)
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I'm not for Trump, but I'll gladly hold his coat while he slaughters the left's sacred cows.
Posted by: ahem at August 14, 2015 12:07 PM (lKGzI)
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Lot of that going around.
Ill even hold it if he slaughters some of the GOPe bovine.
Posted by: ahem at August 14, 2015 12:07 PM (lKGzI)
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Lot of that going around.
Ill even hold it if he slaughters some of the GOPe bovine.
Posted by: fixerupper at August 14, 2015 12:09 PM (8XRCm)
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Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 11:59 AM (dciA+)
Well, ace, when everyone in our entire political class is full of shit and lies constantly, and don't mean a single word they say... ?
I'm not sure I'm following.
When lying liars who lie get Frank Luntz and company to craft talking points from focus groups and polls, and those talking points (which we know they're full of shit about anyways) are contra to what we believe, how is that supposed to be better then a blowhard like Trump?
"At least you know Jeb! will do what the polls indicate he should do" is not really a good selling point for me. Personally.
And I like that Trump makes a mockery of the whole process, because the entire process needs to be mercifully mocked. Because it's American Idol but without any talent, and with a lot more bullshit.
Well, ace, when everyone in our entire political class is full of shit and lies constantly, and don't mean a single word they say... ?
I'm not sure I'm following.
When lying liars who lie get Frank Luntz and company to craft talking points from focus groups and polls, and those talking points (which we know they're full of shit about anyways) are contra to what we believe, how is that supposed to be better then a blowhard like Trump?
"At least you know Jeb! will do what the polls indicate he should do" is not really a good selling point for me. Personally.
And I like that Trump makes a mockery of the whole process, because the entire process needs to be mercifully mocked. Because it's American Idol but without any talent, and with a lot more bullshit.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 14, 2015 12:09 PM (AkOaV)
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LizLem - Yeah he's spot on on the Latino stuff..
Most Latinos do feel like Cubans are not part of their culture.. they resent the law that allows Cubans that make it here get automatic asylum.. big time resent it.
I agree with his take on Carson as well.
Most Latinos do feel like Cubans are not part of their culture.. they resent the law that allows Cubans that make it here get automatic asylum.. big time resent it.
I agree with his take on Carson as well.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 14, 2015 12:09 PM (so+oy)
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our dead Republic at August 14, 2015 12:09 PM (/Ho8c)
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Buon Giorno, Ace. Come sta?
sto cosi-cosi, e Lei?
Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 12:05 PM (dciA+)
Troppo vino ieri sera ... ma , a parte questo, sempre piuttosto bene . Proseguire.
sto cosi-cosi, e Lei?
Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 12:05 PM (dciA+)
Troppo vino ieri sera ... ma , a parte questo, sempre piuttosto bene . Proseguire.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 14, 2015 12:10 PM (qCMvj)
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So why is there no Spanish-language conservative talk-radio.
Because there's not a big enough market for it?
Because there's not a big enough market for it?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 14, 2015 12:10 PM (W5DcG)
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My issue with "Obama stole the election" is that it discourages conservatives from voting because some are convinced it's rigged, so why bother.
If Obama and the Dems could fix elections, the Republicans would not be in charge of Congress nor have a majority of state legislatures, Governorships, etc.
They of course they have a Tammany Hall operation that stuffs the ballot box, but it's on the margins where many elections are decided by a single point.
If Obama and the Dems could fix elections, the Republicans would not be in charge of Congress nor have a majority of state legislatures, Governorships, etc.
They of course they have a Tammany Hall operation that stuffs the ballot box, but it's on the margins where many elections are decided by a single point.
Posted by: Coolio at August 14, 2015 12:10 PM (nGBJw)
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>>>226 For the Trump supporters though, how do you see this playing out? >>>
I'm not a Trump supporter, but I know that winning and losing are binary. If he loses, he's the same as the "electable" statist, cronyist GOP stooges. If he wins, he'd be no worse than the "electable" statist, cronyist GOP stooges. But they'd all be pissed, so at least I'd have a smile on my face. If he gets drubbed and the GOP loses congress, we'd have a Dem President and a Dem congress; and nobody would be able to tell the difference from what we have now. But, at least Boehner and McConnell would lose their big offices - the only thing they seem to care about. So, at least I'll be able to get some some measure of pleasure from that.
I'm not a Trump supporter, but I know that winning and losing are binary. If he loses, he's the same as the "electable" statist, cronyist GOP stooges. If he wins, he'd be no worse than the "electable" statist, cronyist GOP stooges. But they'd all be pissed, so at least I'd have a smile on my face. If he gets drubbed and the GOP loses congress, we'd have a Dem President and a Dem congress; and nobody would be able to tell the difference from what we have now. But, at least Boehner and McConnell would lose their big offices - the only thing they seem to care about. So, at least I'll be able to get some some measure of pleasure from that.
Posted by: gm at August 14, 2015 12:11 PM (K0tm3)
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Republican Front Runner Donald Trump
Posted by: AOSHQ Style Guide at August 14, 2015 12:11 PM (Yrjee)
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State of Emergency lifted in Ferguson.
Showtimes for Straight Outta Compton
Regal St. Louis Stadium 18 & IMAX
Standard 11:15am 11:45 12:15pm 12:45 3:00 3:30 4:00 4:30 6:30 7:00 7:30 8:10 10:15 10:45 11:15
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Showtimes for Straight Outta Compton
Regal St. Louis Stadium 18 & IMAX
Standard 11:15am 11:45 12:15pm 12:45 3:00 3:30 4:00 4:30 6:30 7:00 7:30 8:10 10:15 10:45 11:15
Betting window is open
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 14, 2015 12:11 PM (fWAjv)
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In 2012 the state was within 1,000 votes or so for tipping Romney's
way, or at least forcing a recount. BUT!! On cue about 11PM the NE
counties of Ohio-Democrat strongholds all-had their holdout precincts
report in with 99% going to Obummer! CPT Charles and I both watched it
with great disbelief as the results were reported and accepted without
demur, and by midnight it was beyond question, and the election was
over.
Posted by: exdem13 at August 14, 2015 11:53 AM (ry4ab)
And these shenanigans is why Kasich is disqualified.
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True, that. Kasich's people did nothing except shrug, in the end. Blackwell is in political exile from the OH GOPe these days. Kasich won't get my vote because he is a moderate squish in all the wrong ways.
In 2012 the state was within 1,000 votes or so for tipping Romney's
way, or at least forcing a recount. BUT!! On cue about 11PM the NE
counties of Ohio-Democrat strongholds all-had their holdout precincts
report in with 99% going to Obummer! CPT Charles and I both watched it
with great disbelief as the results were reported and accepted without
demur, and by midnight it was beyond question, and the election was
over.
Posted by: exdem13 at August 14, 2015 11:53 AM (ry4ab)
And these shenanigans is why Kasich is disqualified.
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True, that. Kasich's people did nothing except shrug, in the end. Blackwell is in political exile from the OH GOPe these days. Kasich won't get my vote because he is a moderate squish in all the wrong ways.
Posted by: exdem13 at August 14, 2015 12:11 PM (ry4ab)
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This is why this post is confusing Drew, you end up at the right conclusion but earlier you stray into weirdness.
Talk radio is somehow "enabling" the guy. No Drew, what's enabling him is 30% of likely GOP voters who say they support him. If Trump was at Perry's level he'd be mentioned as entertainment and that's pretty much it.
He'd still get coverage out of respect, but that would be all.
Folks, you need to read what is going on at the grassroots level. Trump's main guy in Iowa is a killer who got Santorum to win. People are showing up in droves of a 100 just to meet a campaign staffer. He said he's literally never seen that before.
Ron Paul's ground game in Iowa has said what he's been seeing is game changing. Folks who don't even know what a caucus is are coming in to volunteer and figure out what's going on.
This thing is becoming a movement.
But no, let's listen to the fucking losers like Will, Kraut, Gerson, you know who really aren't conservative. That's the ticket.
You know, the same guys who attacked Reagan endlessly.
How is it that George fucking Will can keep coming up with names for conservatives.
In Reagan's day, Reagan voters were "kamikazes".
Now he calls Trump supporters, "Trumpites".
How much does this fucking loser get paid to be a writer?
The orchestrated take out attempt you saw at the debates is that the people in the know are scared shitless of Trump. They know he can wipe the fucking floor with them. They are getting these reports and that's why our so-called con media has the long long knives out for Trump.
So far, he's laughing in their faces.
Talk radio is somehow "enabling" the guy. No Drew, what's enabling him is 30% of likely GOP voters who say they support him. If Trump was at Perry's level he'd be mentioned as entertainment and that's pretty much it.
He'd still get coverage out of respect, but that would be all.
Folks, you need to read what is going on at the grassroots level. Trump's main guy in Iowa is a killer who got Santorum to win. People are showing up in droves of a 100 just to meet a campaign staffer. He said he's literally never seen that before.
Ron Paul's ground game in Iowa has said what he's been seeing is game changing. Folks who don't even know what a caucus is are coming in to volunteer and figure out what's going on.
This thing is becoming a movement.
But no, let's listen to the fucking losers like Will, Kraut, Gerson, you know who really aren't conservative. That's the ticket.
You know, the same guys who attacked Reagan endlessly.
How is it that George fucking Will can keep coming up with names for conservatives.
In Reagan's day, Reagan voters were "kamikazes".
Now he calls Trump supporters, "Trumpites".
How much does this fucking loser get paid to be a writer?
The orchestrated take out attempt you saw at the debates is that the people in the know are scared shitless of Trump. They know he can wipe the fucking floor with them. They are getting these reports and that's why our so-called con media has the long long knives out for Trump.
So far, he's laughing in their faces.
Posted by: prescient11 at August 14, 2015 12:11 PM (q5APL)
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Wasn't the anti-pig wressler tresspassing of some sort?
or at least enforcing the rule to stay off the field?
Wasn't the anti-pig wressler tresspassing of some sort?
or at least enforcing the rule to stay off the field?
Posted by: Yo! at August 14, 2015 12:11 PM (W6iIX)
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Do no Trump supporters detect any inconsistency in their claims like "I could never support Rick Perry, he bothered me on x issue" and "It doesn't matter that Trump has been 'very pro choice,' pro-assault weapons ban, pro-wealth tax, etc....?"
If that's you're position, that's fine, but stop fucking treating everyone else as if they're Cray-Cray for sticking to the same position they've had.
Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 12:02 PM (dciA+)
Perhaps Trump supporters recognize that their candidate has taken the wrong position on Second Amendment issues, but also recognize that he's smart enough to not actually act on that position?
If that's you're position, that's fine, but stop fucking treating everyone else as if they're Cray-Cray for sticking to the same position they've had.
Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 12:02 PM (dciA+)
Perhaps Trump supporters recognize that their candidate has taken the wrong position on Second Amendment issues, but also recognize that he's smart enough to not actually act on that position?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 14, 2015 12:12 PM (tQwIz)
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Do no Trump supporters detect any inconsistency in their claims like "I
could never support Rick Perry, he bothered me on x issue" and "It
doesn't matter that Trump has been 'very pro choice,' pro-assault
weapons ban, pro-wealth tax, etc....?"
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I expect I'll vote for someone else come actual voting time. But I am supporting Trump now because he is attacking the right target. He is taking it to the GOPe in a way no one else is and talking about the issue the GOPe wants to screw us over in a way that will make it harder to screw us...Its that simple.
I don't know what Perry is doing besides intentionally running a failed campaign at this point. He keeps making bad choice after bad choice.
could never support Rick Perry, he bothered me on x issue" and "It
doesn't matter that Trump has been 'very pro choice,' pro-assault
weapons ban, pro-wealth tax, etc....?"
***
I expect I'll vote for someone else come actual voting time. But I am supporting Trump now because he is attacking the right target. He is taking it to the GOPe in a way no one else is and talking about the issue the GOPe wants to screw us over in a way that will make it harder to screw us...Its that simple.
I don't know what Perry is doing besides intentionally running a failed campaign at this point. He keeps making bad choice after bad choice.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 14, 2015 12:12 PM (78TbK)
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>>>278 My issue with "Obama stole the election" is that it discourages conservatives from voting because some are convinced it's rigged, so why bother. >>>
Rigged or not, there's not much reason to bother. Even when you win, you lose.
Rigged or not, there's not much reason to bother. Even when you win, you lose.
Posted by: gm at August 14, 2015 12:12 PM (K0tm3)
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I guess my counter argument is this:
Just like every troll is Average Joe, every politician is Donald Trump.
They're all egomaniacs who make shit up as they go along.
Trump is just honest about who he is, and doesn't apologize for it.
Jeb! goes out and kisses babies and promises everything to everyone, but he's also a lying sack of shit politician who is not in any way conservative and will not in any way do anything if he gets elected that would make my life better.
Posted by: mynewhandle
my analogy is that of the contestants of a beauty pageant being joined by a dog on stage, who then proceeds to lick its ass. And you realize that the contestants are, and have been for some time, doing exactly the same.
You expect the dog to do it, and if you ask it, and if it had the gift of speech, would reply, "I'm a dog; it's what I do." The pageant contestants ave no such excuse, and they lie to you about doing it.
Just like every troll is Average Joe, every politician is Donald Trump.
They're all egomaniacs who make shit up as they go along.
Trump is just honest about who he is, and doesn't apologize for it.
Jeb! goes out and kisses babies and promises everything to everyone, but he's also a lying sack of shit politician who is not in any way conservative and will not in any way do anything if he gets elected that would make my life better.
Posted by: mynewhandle
my analogy is that of the contestants of a beauty pageant being joined by a dog on stage, who then proceeds to lick its ass. And you realize that the contestants are, and have been for some time, doing exactly the same.
You expect the dog to do it, and if you ask it, and if it had the gift of speech, would reply, "I'm a dog; it's what I do." The pageant contestants ave no such excuse, and they lie to you about doing it.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 14, 2015 12:13 PM (Spluw)
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"soulless, evil, wench" Yeah, I think Coulter is soulless; she may be as evil as she plays; wench I don't know. But she is wicked smart, and I would sell my soul to write as well as she does. My only criticism of her is that her arms are way too skinny.
Posted by: gp at August 14, 2015 12:13 PM (+Jpqc)
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Perhaps Trump supporters recognize that their
candidate has taken the wrong position on Second Amendment issues, but
also recognize that he's smart enough to not actually act on that position?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
Do you mean to say that Trump is
*gasp*
playing politics?
candidate has taken the wrong position on Second Amendment issues, but
also recognize that he's smart enough to not actually act on that position?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
Do you mean to say that Trump is
*gasp*
playing politics?
Posted by: AOSHQ Style Guide at August 14, 2015 12:13 PM (Yrjee)
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By the time November and December roll around people will start
thinking, "Am I really going to do this?" My bet is the answer is, no.
I will vote for Cruz or Jindal if doing so matters.
Otherwise, I will vote for 'scorched earth'.
I don't see how this is hard for anyone to understand.
thinking, "Am I really going to do this?" My bet is the answer is, no.
I will vote for Cruz or Jindal if doing so matters.
Otherwise, I will vote for 'scorched earth'.
I don't see how this is hard for anyone to understand.
Posted by: Methos at August 14, 2015 12:14 PM (ZbV+0)
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>>Perhaps Trump supporters recognize that their candidate has taken the wrong position on Second Amendment issues, but also recognize that he's smart enough to not actually act on that position?
Why on earth would he take positions that are anathema to conservative voters and a good number of plain old Republicans if he doesn't intend to act on them? Is this some sort of Jedi mind trick because it makes zero sense to me.
Why on earth would he take positions that are anathema to conservative voters and a good number of plain old Republicans if he doesn't intend to act on them? Is this some sort of Jedi mind trick because it makes zero sense to me.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 14, 2015 12:14 PM (OGm46)
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Posted by: prescient11 at August 14, 2015 12:05 PM (q5APL)
IMO, that is what the Fox debate did. Trump would have been ready for such questions from CNN, but expected more substance related questions from Fox.
IMO, that is what the Fox debate did. Trump would have been ready for such questions from CNN, but expected more substance related questions from Fox.
Posted by: Chilling the most at August 14, 2015 12:14 PM (zW5rQ)
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Wow, Italian small talk in the comments, with the boss hisself. Cool.
ace, if you want to learn Italian, find a way to just hang out in Rome for a while, spending lots of time in the coffee bars. Great coffee, "scenery", and cultural nibbling.
Drew, I hate to say it but I couldn't find one "f**k" in this whole essay. Just something to think about.
Oh - and Drew, admittedly I read through it quickly, but doyou contradict yourself in sort of ID'ing who Trump voters are, then saying towards the end that we don't really know who they are? I'm thinking we don't know who they are.
And the more important point is they "why" of Trump, isn't it? But one could say that you, Drew, have helped sketch that out, implicitly and otherwise, in your regular and usually spot-on laments about the state/direction of the GOP, I suppose.
Wow, Italian small talk in the comments, with the boss hisself. Cool.
ace, if you want to learn Italian, find a way to just hang out in Rome for a while, spending lots of time in the coffee bars. Great coffee, "scenery", and cultural nibbling.
Drew, I hate to say it but I couldn't find one "f**k" in this whole essay. Just something to think about.
Oh - and Drew, admittedly I read through it quickly, but doyou contradict yourself in sort of ID'ing who Trump voters are, then saying towards the end that we don't really know who they are? I'm thinking we don't know who they are.
And the more important point is they "why" of Trump, isn't it? But one could say that you, Drew, have helped sketch that out, implicitly and otherwise, in your regular and usually spot-on laments about the state/direction of the GOP, I suppose.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 14, 2015 12:14 PM (QDnY+)
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but Trump is going to lose billions of dollars over what he's doing now.
Posted by: MAx
See, again, wrong.
Trump never plays with his own cash. The Art of the Deal?
Yeah, the "Art" was to convince the other guy to front the money, and the "Deal" was to blow it.
Oh, sure; long-running, on-its-last-legs NBC show gone. A few Macy's license deals done.
Helloooo China, Viet, SoKorea. "I'm Trump. I ran for President. Give me all your moneh!"
He will make more money after this sideshow is over.
Posted by: MAx
See, again, wrong.
Trump never plays with his own cash. The Art of the Deal?
Yeah, the "Art" was to convince the other guy to front the money, and the "Deal" was to blow it.
Oh, sure; long-running, on-its-last-legs NBC show gone. A few Macy's license deals done.
Helloooo China, Viet, SoKorea. "I'm Trump. I ran for President. Give me all your moneh!"
He will make more money after this sideshow is over.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2015 12:15 PM (ZCFje)
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280 Republican Front Runner Donald Trump
Posted by: AOSHQ Style Guide at August 14, 2015 12:11 PM (Yrjee)
Or, if you really want to annoy people:
Presumptive Republican Nominee Donald Trump
Posted by: AOSHQ Style Guide at August 14, 2015 12:11 PM (Yrjee)
Or, if you really want to annoy people:
Presumptive Republican Nominee Donald Trump
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 14, 2015 12:15 PM (AkOaV)
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If you like Cruz, you had better get used to Trump.
Posted by: some random meathead at August 14, 2015 12:07
I don't think that Trump will get the nomination. But, if he were to and selected Cruz I will have lost all respect for Cruz.
Cruz is completely 180 different than Trump.
If you like Cruz, you had better get used to Trump.
Posted by: some random meathead at August 14, 2015 12:07
I don't think that Trump will get the nomination. But, if he were to and selected Cruz I will have lost all respect for Cruz.
Cruz is completely 180 different than Trump.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 14, 2015 12:15 PM (QyBQv)
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You are welcome Moderate Salami. It does bring some things into focus. Especially whilst everyone is arguing over who will be captain of the Costa Concordia now that the real captain and ship's officers have abandoned ship.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 14, 2015 12:15 PM (yr/x+)
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Ace,
Before we talk about our sacred cow, like AWB, which is a big deal to me, have you read his recent interview on guns in Ammoland.
I bet you out of the 17 candidates running, he is the only one who could describe a weapon and its accessories so correctly.
Trump is a lifetime NRA member and his sons go shooting literally every weekend and are big game hunters too.
And Reagan and Kasich also supported the AWB and Kasich voted for it.
But it's Trump, so it's PURITY TEST TIME!!! On his not very well articulated position of 15 years ago.
Before we talk about our sacred cow, like AWB, which is a big deal to me, have you read his recent interview on guns in Ammoland.
I bet you out of the 17 candidates running, he is the only one who could describe a weapon and its accessories so correctly.
Trump is a lifetime NRA member and his sons go shooting literally every weekend and are big game hunters too.
And Reagan and Kasich also supported the AWB and Kasich voted for it.
But it's Trump, so it's PURITY TEST TIME!!! On his not very well articulated position of 15 years ago.
Posted by: prescient11 at August 14, 2015 12:16 PM (q5APL)
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You can't simply get pissed off at someone and physically attack them.
Posted by: Jen the original at August 14, 2015 12:01 PM (TJBhx)
Unless you're a cop.
Posted by: Jen the original at August 14, 2015 12:01 PM (TJBhx)
Unless you're a cop.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 14, 2015 12:16 PM (2Ojst)
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For me?
I am enjoying the possibility that maybe JUST MAYBE...
a guy running for office with an (R) after his name is lying to the Demoncrats instead of ME for a change !!
I am enjoying the possibility that maybe JUST MAYBE...
a guy running for office with an (R) after his name is lying to the Demoncrats instead of ME for a change !!
Posted by: AOSHQ Style Guide at August 14, 2015 12:16 PM (Yrjee)
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If Trump wins the White House it will because of one issue, hatred for the Donks and the GOPes.
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It is a mighty issue, and I believe The Donald knows it.
If Trump wins the White House it will because of one issue, hatred for the Donks and the GOPes.
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It is a mighty issue, and I believe The Donald knows it.
Posted by: exdem13 at August 14, 2015 12:16 PM (ry4ab)
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They are in this together. Some way, some how.
Cruz is the only one to have powwowed with Trump.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2015 11:49 AM (UYkjZ)
Cruz knows Trump supporters aren't crazy. He knows they're just pissed off at the system.
Cruz knows he will get an automatic bump once Trump flames out, so he's taking the patient route.
Cruz is the only one to have powwowed with Trump.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 14, 2015 11:49 AM (UYkjZ)
Cruz knows Trump supporters aren't crazy. He knows they're just pissed off at the system.
Cruz knows he will get an automatic bump once Trump flames out, so he's taking the patient route.
Posted by: Blano at August 14, 2015 12:16 PM (w1ewr)
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Yes, Donald Trump, pro-chocie, pro-assault weapons ban, pro-single payer
socialized medicine, pro-wealth tax -- there's your non-moderate
non-RINO right there.
***
Presume a President Trump vs a President Jeb - with say a R House and a closely split D Senate.
After 4 years under which president has the country moved further left?
And the answer here is almost certainly under Jeb...and the same can be said of Kaisch or Christie...
socialized medicine, pro-wealth tax -- there's your non-moderate
non-RINO right there.
***
Presume a President Trump vs a President Jeb - with say a R House and a closely split D Senate.
After 4 years under which president has the country moved further left?
And the answer here is almost certainly under Jeb...and the same can be said of Kaisch or Christie...
Posted by: 18-1 at August 14, 2015 12:17 PM (78TbK)
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/sock
Posted by: some random meathead at August 14, 2015 12:17 PM (Yrjee)
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Posted by: LizLem at August 14, 2015 12:01 PM (hvf9s)
This really, really good.
It's somewhat the same as how Democrats treat these people in that no one seems to be talking to actual people but instead wishcasts a whole narrative structure and by God it's true!
Frankly Latinos shouldn't vote for any of these clown car candidates because neither side respects them enough to actually find out who they are or what their concerns are (outside of the illegal community that is because ckuf them they shouldn't be here and they want free shit).
This really, really good.
It's somewhat the same as how Democrats treat these people in that no one seems to be talking to actual people but instead wishcasts a whole narrative structure and by God it's true!
Frankly Latinos shouldn't vote for any of these clown car candidates because neither side respects them enough to actually find out who they are or what their concerns are (outside of the illegal community that is because ckuf them they shouldn't be here and they want free shit).
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 14, 2015 12:17 PM (oFCZn)
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Why on earth would he take positions that are anathema to conservative voters and a good number of plain old Republicans if he doesn't intend to act on them? Is this some sort of Jedi mind trick because it makes zero sense to me.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 14, 2015 12:14 PM (OGm46)
Because Trump has literally no idea what conservative voters want. He doesn't know the right "key words" to use and not to use. (I think it was Romney who got tripped up in 2012 by saying there was a right to privacy in the constitution, obviously not knowing what that meant in a political context).
And he doesn't seem to give a shit.
Which is funny to me.
Because the LIVs don't know those "key words" either. It's a media game. and Trump is not playing their silly game.
Sometimes you just want to watch someone get drunk, crash the golf cart, and piss in the sand trap at a snooty golf club.
That's Trump. He's the guy shotgunning beers outside the club house, with all of the club house regulars looking on with shock on their faces.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 14, 2015 12:14 PM (OGm46)
Because Trump has literally no idea what conservative voters want. He doesn't know the right "key words" to use and not to use. (I think it was Romney who got tripped up in 2012 by saying there was a right to privacy in the constitution, obviously not knowing what that meant in a political context).
And he doesn't seem to give a shit.
Which is funny to me.
Because the LIVs don't know those "key words" either. It's a media game. and Trump is not playing their silly game.
Sometimes you just want to watch someone get drunk, crash the golf cart, and piss in the sand trap at a snooty golf club.
That's Trump. He's the guy shotgunning beers outside the club house, with all of the club house regulars looking on with shock on their faces.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 14, 2015 12:18 PM (AkOaV)
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Unless you're a cop.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 14, 2015 12:16 PM (2Ojst)
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**squinty eyes**
Posted by: Insomniac at August 14, 2015 12:16 PM (2Ojst)
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**squinty eyes**
Posted by: fixerupper at August 14, 2015 12:18 PM (8XRCm)
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ace: there are different motivations for doing different things. People don't support Trump because of his policies (other than single issue immigration voters - which I can sympathize with), but because they hate the statist and cronyist GOP liars. What's the motivation for supporting Perry? His policy positions - so his policy positions matter. What was the motivation for supporting Romney? People were lied to and told he was "the electable one." So people ignored the fact that he was the grandfather of Obamacare. It's not that difficult to understand; people support Trump despite his policy preferences, just like they did with Romney. And, realistically, Trump actually doesn't seem like he's wedded to any particular position on a lot of issues, so he could be convinced with good argument.
Posted by: gm at August 14, 2015 12:19 PM (K0tm3)
Posted by: some random meathead at August 14, 2015 12:19 PM (Yrjee)
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m not a Trump supporter, but I know that winning and losing are binary. If he loses, he's the same as the "electable" statist, cronyist GOP stooges. If he wins, he'd be no worse than the "electable" statist, cronyist GOP stooges. But they'd all be pissed, so at least I'd have a smile on my face. If he gets drubbed and the GOP loses congress, we'd have a Dem President and a Dem congress; and nobody would be able to tell the difference from what we have now. But, at least Boehner and McConnell would lose their big offices - the only thing they seem to care about. So, at least I'll be able to get some some measure of pleasure from that.
Posted by: gm
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The idea that you put the Dems in charge of everything and Hillary in the White House so Boehner and McConnell get a smaller office is beyond childish. if that's your big goal and prize, just start voting Democrat. I'm sure Pelosi and Harry Reid getting the big office will make everything go our way.
Honestly, the Establishment will have the biggest "I told you so" if Trump goes on to win, it's only going to strengthen their hand within the GOP.
If you really wanted to humiliate the Establishment, you field a conservative candidate that wins and then you get to say "I told you so".
Posted by: gm
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The idea that you put the Dems in charge of everything and Hillary in the White House so Boehner and McConnell get a smaller office is beyond childish. if that's your big goal and prize, just start voting Democrat. I'm sure Pelosi and Harry Reid getting the big office will make everything go our way.
Honestly, the Establishment will have the biggest "I told you so" if Trump goes on to win, it's only going to strengthen their hand within the GOP.
If you really wanted to humiliate the Establishment, you field a conservative candidate that wins and then you get to say "I told you so".
Posted by: McAdams at August 14, 2015 12:19 PM (nq/J2)
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Rigged or not, there's not much reason to bother. Even when you win, you lose.
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As a severely sever conservative, I will end Romney, err, Obamacare if elected...with a majority in the House, 90 Senators and 10 Supreme Court justices.
Honest!
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As a severely sever conservative, I will end Romney, err, Obamacare if elected...with a majority in the House, 90 Senators and 10 Supreme Court justices.
Honest!
Posted by: Mitt Romneycare at August 14, 2015 12:19 PM (78TbK)
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And I like that Trump makes a mockery of the whole process, because the entire process needs to be mercifully mocked.
^^^^^^^^^^
This
^^^^^^^^^^
This
Posted by: wrg500 at August 14, 2015 12:19 PM (FEAjO)
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Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2015 12:15 PM (ZCFje)
I'm doing all the things wrong.
I blame my parents. They raised me to live in a world that no longer exists.
I'm doing all the things wrong.
I blame my parents. They raised me to live in a world that no longer exists.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 14, 2015 12:19 PM (oFCZn)
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As CPT Charles has told me several times recently, the GOP candidate who runs to the Right of Trump in a consistent and coherent fashion will win the nomination. GOPe moderate squishes and RINOs will eat his dust.
Posted by: exdem13 at August 14, 2015 12:20 PM (ry4ab)
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>>>Troppo vino ieri sera ... ma , a parte questo, sempre piuttosto bene . Proseguire.
ah, forse sono state un po' sbronzo, ubriaco?
ah, forse sono state un po' sbronzo, ubriaco?
Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 12:20 PM (dciA+)
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>>Because Trump has literally no idea what conservative voters want. He doesn't know the right "key words" to use and not to use. (I think it was Romney who got tripped up in 2012 by saying there was a right to privacy in the constitution, obviously not knowing what that meant in a political context).
Well then he is a lot dumber than I thought. Conservative ideas aren't all that mystifying and they certainly aren't hidden.
No, I'd say the truth of the matter is a lot simpler. Trump has had these views forever and while he is definitely shaking things up in the Republican primary he isn't a conservative and only in the loosest sense a Republican. His actual positions put him in Jeb territory at best.
I still think he has been useful but I think I have a good idea what Trump is all about and I don't want him anywhere near the WH.
Well then he is a lot dumber than I thought. Conservative ideas aren't all that mystifying and they certainly aren't hidden.
No, I'd say the truth of the matter is a lot simpler. Trump has had these views forever and while he is definitely shaking things up in the Republican primary he isn't a conservative and only in the loosest sense a Republican. His actual positions put him in Jeb territory at best.
I still think he has been useful but I think I have a good idea what Trump is all about and I don't want him anywhere near the WH.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 14, 2015 12:22 PM (OGm46)
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The idea that you put the Dems in charge of everything and Hillary in
the White House so Boehner and McConnell get a smaller office is beyond
childish.
***
If there is a conservative on the ballot, I will vote for him or her.
If there is a liberal like Boehner I will not.
Voting for one slate of liberals over another will not move the country in a more conservative direction - and I know because we've tried that extensively since at least 2008...
the White House so Boehner and McConnell get a smaller office is beyond
childish.
***
If there is a conservative on the ballot, I will vote for him or her.
If there is a liberal like Boehner I will not.
Voting for one slate of liberals over another will not move the country in a more conservative direction - and I know because we've tried that extensively since at least 2008...
Posted by: 18-1 at August 14, 2015 12:22 PM (78TbK)
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Though since Cruz and Rubio are both Cuban, I expect to see the media declare that Cubans aren't real Latinos.
The derogatory term is 'coconut': brown outside and white inside.
Guarantee the lefties will be spewing it very soon.
Though since Cruz and Rubio are both Cuban, I expect to see the media declare that Cubans aren't real Latinos.
The derogatory term is 'coconut': brown outside and white inside.
Guarantee the lefties will be spewing it very soon.
Posted by: some random meathead at August 14, 2015 12:22 PM (Yrjee)
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Cuck Dynasty.
See i knew there was a reason I got out of bed today
Hey ace are you learning Italian so you can converse with Vox Day???
Cuck Dynasty.
See i knew there was a reason I got out of bed today
Hey ace are you learning Italian so you can converse with Vox Day???
Posted by: MAx at August 14, 2015 12:22 PM (LAliD)
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Why on earth would he take positions that are anathema to conservative voters and a good number of plain old Republicans if he doesn't intend to act on them? Is this some sort of Jedi mind trick because it makes zero sense to me.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 14, 2015 12:14 PM (OGm46)
As others have said, Trump is not a conservative. He also has to appeal to at least some centrists and moderate leftists, or his candidacy goes nowhere. So he is indeed playing politics.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 14, 2015 12:14 PM (OGm46)
As others have said, Trump is not a conservative. He also has to appeal to at least some centrists and moderate leftists, or his candidacy goes nowhere. So he is indeed playing politics.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 14, 2015 12:22 PM (tQwIz)
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280 Republican Front Runner Donald Trump
Posted by: AOSHQ Style Guide at August 14, 2015 12:11 PM (Yrjee)
Or, if you really want to annoy people:
Presumptive Republican Nominee Donald Trump
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Now just imagine the talking heads on MSNDC having to say it...
280 Republican Front Runner Donald Trump
Posted by: AOSHQ Style Guide at August 14, 2015 12:11 PM (Yrjee)
Or, if you really want to annoy people:
Presumptive Republican Nominee Donald Trump
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Now just imagine the talking heads on MSNDC having to say it...
Posted by: exdem13 at August 14, 2015 12:23 PM (ry4ab)
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***"As CPT Charles has told me several times recently, the GOP candidate who runs to the Right of Trump in a consistent and coherent fashion will win the nomination. GOPe moderate squishes and RINOs will eat his dust."***
Cruz really seems to be one of the only ones doing that. Or at least TRYING to do that.
Cruz really seems to be one of the only ones doing that. Or at least TRYING to do that.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 14, 2015 12:23 PM (xSCb6)
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@311. Defeating GOPe only strengthens their hand, continuing to reward them is real punishment?
Err, whut?
Err, whut?
Posted by: blaster at August 14, 2015 12:24 PM (2Ocf1)
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I'm not a Trump supporter, but I unashamedly like his blunt, unpolitically correct stance, at least at this point in the game.
And I am pretty much over the GOP as well. I'm done, I simply will not vote for someone who is supportive of the amnesty path, and understand what that means. No more McCains get my vote.
Strangely enough, as someone who has always voted for the lesser of the evils (did we really want Obama picking more Supremes?), I've lost that.
Perversely, the more the GOP slings insults at Trump, it's like a middle finger in the air to those who flat out oppose amnesty, or don't like the crony corporatist drift of the GOP. And the more I become inclined to put a middle finger back in the air in about the only way possible.
And I am pretty much over the GOP as well. I'm done, I simply will not vote for someone who is supportive of the amnesty path, and understand what that means. No more McCains get my vote.
Strangely enough, as someone who has always voted for the lesser of the evils (did we really want Obama picking more Supremes?), I've lost that.
Perversely, the more the GOP slings insults at Trump, it's like a middle finger in the air to those who flat out oppose amnesty, or don't like the crony corporatist drift of the GOP. And the more I become inclined to put a middle finger back in the air in about the only way possible.
Posted by: RM at August 14, 2015 12:24 PM (Sj3r3)
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Everybody wants to move Overtons Window.
Everybody is losing their mind because Trumps has smashed a hole where the window *should* be.
Everybody wants to move Overtons Window.
Everybody is losing their mind because Trumps has smashed a hole where the window *should* be.
Posted by: fixerupper at August 14, 2015 12:24 PM (8XRCm)
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>>> ace, if you want to learn Italian, find a way to just hang out in Rome for a while, spending lots of time in the coffee bars. Great coffee, "scenery", and cultural nibbling.
All the cool kids have a crush on Switzerland lately, he could also go to the Italian part there to practice. Lugano is gorgeous. But for the pure stuff probably needs a trip to Italy.
All the cool kids have a crush on Switzerland lately, he could also go to the Italian part there to practice. Lugano is gorgeous. But for the pure stuff probably needs a trip to Italy.
Posted by: LizLem at August 14, 2015 12:24 PM (hvf9s)
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307 Oh yass the other candidates know exactly what conservatives want.
It indicates what the candidates have to talk alot about but completelyignore in practice.
Some people just love to be lied to.
307 Oh yass the other candidates know exactly what conservatives want.
It indicates what the candidates have to talk alot about but completelyignore in practice.
Some people just love to be lied to.
Posted by: MAx at August 14, 2015 12:25 PM (LAliD)
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What's the Right Approach .... hmm, guess I will have to read it all to find out what the "right" approach is when considering those "Trump voters". Because I want to do the right thing.
Posted by: gracepc at August 14, 2015 12:25 PM (DMQhB)
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Because the LIVs don't know those "key words" either. It's a media game. and Trump is not playing their silly game.
Sometimes you just want to watch someone get drunk, crash the golf cart, and piss in the sand trap at a snooty golf club.
That's Trump. He's the guy shotgunning beers outside the club house,
with all of the club house regulars looking on with shock on their
faces.
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I am now imagining Caddyshack with Trump playing the role of Rodney Dangerfield, the GOPe as Ted Knight and the bishop, and Ace as Bill Murray's groundskeeper.
Sometimes you just want to watch someone get drunk, crash the golf cart, and piss in the sand trap at a snooty golf club.
That's Trump. He's the guy shotgunning beers outside the club house,
with all of the club house regulars looking on with shock on their
faces.
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I am now imagining Caddyshack with Trump playing the role of Rodney Dangerfield, the GOPe as Ted Knight and the bishop, and Ace as Bill Murray's groundskeeper.
Posted by: exdem13 at August 14, 2015 12:26 PM (ry4ab)
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If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
Posted by: The GOP Establishment at August 14, 2015 12:26 PM (evdj2)
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No, in this case, they aren't making things up. Unless Mr.Pig Wrestler can prove that he was threatened or had reason to feel he was in danger, throwing the rainbow wigged one over the fence was an aggressive physical attack that he could be charged with assault.
Posted by: Jen the original at August 14, 2015 12:01 PM (TJBhx)
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There will be no filing of assault charges.
Posted by: Jen the original at August 14, 2015 12:01 PM (TJBhx)
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There will be no filing of assault charges.
Posted by: Wang With a Wang! at August 14, 2015 12:27 PM (iQIUe)
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>>>The idea that you put the Dems in charge of everything and Hillary in the White House so Boehner and McConnell get a smaller office is beyond childish. if that's your big goal and prize, just start voting Democrat. I'm sure Pelosi and Harry Reid getting the big office will make everything go our way.
Honestly, the Establishment will have the biggest "I told you so" if Trump goes on to win, it's only going to strengthen their hand within the GOP.
If you really wanted to humiliate the Establishment, you field a conservative candidate that wins and then you get to say "I told you so".
Posted by: McAdams at August 14, 2015 12:19 PM (nq/J2)>>>
I said I'm not a Trump supporter. And kicking Boehner and McConnell to a smaller office obviously isn't a "big goal." That's silly. But, what it is, is about the best we can hope for as a result of these elections. I think you may have some delusions about what can be achieved by electing a Republican as President.
Honestly, the Establishment will have the biggest "I told you so" if Trump goes on to win, it's only going to strengthen their hand within the GOP.
If you really wanted to humiliate the Establishment, you field a conservative candidate that wins and then you get to say "I told you so".
Posted by: McAdams at August 14, 2015 12:19 PM (nq/J2)>>>
I said I'm not a Trump supporter. And kicking Boehner and McConnell to a smaller office obviously isn't a "big goal." That's silly. But, what it is, is about the best we can hope for as a result of these elections. I think you may have some delusions about what can be achieved by electing a Republican as President.
Posted by: gm at August 14, 2015 12:27 PM (K0tm3)
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>>> ace, if you want to learn Italian, find a way to just hang out in Rome for a while, spending lots of time in the coffee bars. Great coffee, "scenery", and cultural nibbling.
All the cool kids have a crush on Switzerland lately, he could also go to the Italian part there to practice. Lugano is gorgeous. But for the pure stuff probably needs a trip to Italy.
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well obviously these things would be awesome but, you know, i can't just jaunt off to amalfi.
All the cool kids have a crush on Switzerland lately, he could also go to the Italian part there to practice. Lugano is gorgeous. But for the pure stuff probably needs a trip to Italy.
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well obviously these things would be awesome but, you know, i can't just jaunt off to amalfi.
Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 12:27 PM (dciA+)
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Trump the pig wrestler.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 14, 2015 12:28 PM (W5DcG)
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well obviously these things would be awesome but, you know, i can't just jaunt off to amalfi.
Why not? Other than having to post in the middle of the night ... wait.
Why not? Other than having to post in the middle of the night ... wait.
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 14, 2015 12:28 PM (evdj2)
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I get the "I like Trump because he makes a mockery of our politics" but then those same people will go on to defend Trump's positions with basically "you know deep down he'd never go after guns or socialized medicine, he's lying to them, but not to US! HE LOVES US!"
Trump is the biggest con artist to play the game and making fools out of a lot of otherwise smart people.
Trump is the biggest con artist to play the game and making fools out of a lot of otherwise smart people.
Posted by: Coolio at August 14, 2015 12:29 PM (nGBJw)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 14, 2015 12:29 PM (QyBQv)
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well obviously these things would be awesome but, you know, i can't just jaunt off to amalfi.
Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 12:27 PM (dciA+
Can't? Or won't?
well obviously these things would be awesome but, you know, i can't just jaunt off to amalfi.
Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 12:27 PM (dciA+
Can't? Or won't?
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at August 14, 2015 12:31 PM (QyBQv)
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***"As CPT Charles has told me several times recently, the GOP candidate
who runs to the Right of Trump in a consistent and coherent fashion
will win the nomination. GOPe moderate squishes and RINOs will eat his
dust."***
Cruz really seems to be one of the only ones doing that. Or at least TRYING to do that.
CPT Charles has said that too. But Cruz can barely get noticed, while the GOPe and the LSM boost Trump's profile by attacking him and getting pimp-slapped in return. I guess Cruz needs to go toss some Leftard over a fence in flyover country right now...
***"As CPT Charles has told me several times recently, the GOP candidate
who runs to the Right of Trump in a consistent and coherent fashion
will win the nomination. GOPe moderate squishes and RINOs will eat his
dust."***
Cruz really seems to be one of the only ones doing that. Or at least TRYING to do that.
CPT Charles has said that too.
But Cruz can barely get noticed, while the GOPe and the LSM boost Trump's profile by attacking him and getting pimp-slapped in return. I guess Cruz needs to go toss some Leftard over a fence in flyover country right now...Posted by: exdem13 at August 14, 2015 12:31 PM (ry4ab)
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To anyone familiar with "The Mote in God's Eye", think on this:
Trump is a Crazy Eddie solution.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 14, 2015 12:03 PM (2l5vw)
I know was said kind of tongue in cheek, but there is quite a bit of wisdom in that statement. The Crazy Eddie solution to the GOP is nucking futz, but it might just do the trick. On the other hand, I'd much rather solve and easier problem, one like Maria.
Trump is a Crazy Eddie solution.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 14, 2015 12:03 PM (2l5vw)
I know was said kind of tongue in cheek, but there is quite a bit of wisdom in that statement. The Crazy Eddie solution to the GOP is nucking futz, but it might just do the trick. On the other hand, I'd much rather solve and easier problem, one like Maria.
Posted by: physics geek at August 14, 2015 12:31 PM (MT22W)
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ace: you're a friggin' blogger and a single one at that (I believe); why don't you just move to France/Italy for awhile to learn the languages?
Posted by: gm at August 14, 2015 12:31 PM (K0tm3)
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LizLem, didn't know that about Lugano being the cool place. Of course it must be a great place, never been there, but would love to do some skiing/eating there.
The other day at the museum, a family came in, said they were from Switzerland, pretty sure they were speaking Italian - but pretty much an incomprehensible dialect/accent. Is Swiss Italian as distinctive as Swiss German - i.e. pretty much incomprehensible to mainstream/platt Deutsch speakers?
LizLem, didn't know that about Lugano being the cool place. Of course it must be a great place, never been there, but would love to do some skiing/eating there.
The other day at the museum, a family came in, said they were from Switzerland, pretty sure they were speaking Italian - but pretty much an incomprehensible dialect/accent. Is Swiss Italian as distinctive as Swiss German - i.e. pretty much incomprehensible to mainstream/platt Deutsch speakers?
Posted by: rhomboid at August 14, 2015 12:32 PM (QDnY+)
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I was in Ferrara after Gulf War I and there were no tourists, theefore, I was forced to speak Italian. It certainly makes a difference. I also heard that having an italian girlfriend helps. They are cute and speak in that sing song way to their bfs.
Posted by: Wang With a Wang! at August 14, 2015 12:32 PM (iQIUe)
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well obviously these things would be awesome but, you know, i can't just jaunt off to amalfi.
Posted by: ace
Bullshit.
If you want it to happen, you can make it happen.
Posted by: ace
Bullshit.
If you want it to happen, you can make it happen.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2015 12:32 PM (ZCFje)
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The big language school, of course, is in Perugia. Do you dare, Ace?
The big language school, of course, is in Perugia. Do you dare, Ace?
Posted by: Wang With a Wang! at August 14, 2015 12:33 PM (iQIUe)
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Bobby Jindal is making a very real play for the border hawk candidate.
If Trump's appeal to you is because of the issue of illegal immigration, then he's a serious candidate you should take a look at.
If Trump's appeal to you is because of the issue of illegal immigration, then he's a serious candidate you should take a look at.
Posted by: Coolio at August 14, 2015 12:33 PM (nGBJw)
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well obviously these things would be awesome but, you know, i can't just jaunt off to amalfi.
Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 12:27 PM (dciA+
Shoot, I go there all the time.... it's right there on Westheimer, just call and make a reservation!
Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 12:27 PM (dciA+
Shoot, I go there all the time.... it's right there on Westheimer, just call and make a reservation!
Posted by: Dirty Randy at August 14, 2015 12:34 PM (jjaLl)
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Cruz really seems to be one of the only ones doing that. Or at least TRYING to do that.
CPT Charles has said that too. But Cruz can barely get noticed, while the GOPe and the LSM boost Trump's profile by attacking him and getting pimp-slapped in return. I guess Cruz needs to go toss some Leftard over a fence in flyover country right now...
Posted by: exdem13
The Pack of Stupid (PoS) are all playing the same game, except for Trump. All are trying to stay alive and funded, knowing that there's competition for funding cash and that the MFM hates them.
Cruz may be playing two games here, both staying alive, and being the 'I'm not being a dick to trump'.
Trump can self-finance, and can attract cash because of that fact (like rich people have a better shot of getting loans).
If trump decides to drop and support or endorse someone, then Cruz or whomever would likely benefit.
CPT Charles has said that too. But Cruz can barely get noticed, while the GOPe and the LSM boost Trump's profile by attacking him and getting pimp-slapped in return. I guess Cruz needs to go toss some Leftard over a fence in flyover country right now...
Posted by: exdem13
The Pack of Stupid (PoS) are all playing the same game, except for Trump. All are trying to stay alive and funded, knowing that there's competition for funding cash and that the MFM hates them.
Cruz may be playing two games here, both staying alive, and being the 'I'm not being a dick to trump'.
Trump can self-finance, and can attract cash because of that fact (like rich people have a better shot of getting loans).
If trump decides to drop and support or endorse someone, then Cruz or whomever would likely benefit.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 14, 2015 12:35 PM (Spluw)
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Cruz is not establishment.
Rand Paul is not establishment
Walker defanged the unions
I see at least 3 choices that are not establishment.
Must be the illegals thing coupled with Boehner/McConnell being really stupid after they won re-election. They needed to deliver something other than hype. And I don't mean actual laws...just some drama and theater. "Obama has now vetoed this bill 5 times" kind of theater.
Trump guys will not be happy when he wins and realize he can't just fire McCain but has work with him.
And then Trump will do an amnesty just like everyone else...his billionaire friends need workers, you see.
Rand Paul is not establishment
Walker defanged the unions
I see at least 3 choices that are not establishment.
Must be the illegals thing coupled with Boehner/McConnell being really stupid after they won re-election. They needed to deliver something other than hype. And I don't mean actual laws...just some drama and theater. "Obama has now vetoed this bill 5 times" kind of theater.
Trump guys will not be happy when he wins and realize he can't just fire McCain but has work with him.
And then Trump will do an amnesty just like everyone else...his billionaire friends need workers, you see.
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Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 12:27 PM (dciA+)
Megyn is taking ten days off; no one here would fault you for taking a vacay sometime in the future. Airlines are still charging like gas is over $100 a barrel, which is dumb. But I hear that AirBNB is pretty awesome as far as finding lodgings.
Or you could always watch the Rick Steeves vids to get tips on traveling to Italy *rolls eyes so hard they roll out of my head*
Megyn is taking ten days off; no one here would fault you for taking a vacay sometime in the future. Airlines are still charging like gas is over $100 a barrel, which is dumb. But I hear that AirBNB is pretty awesome as far as finding lodgings.
Or you could always watch the Rick Steeves vids to get tips on traveling to Italy *rolls eyes so hard they roll out of my head*
Posted by: LizLem at August 14, 2015 12:35 PM (hvf9s)
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ace obviously I don't know your particulars but if you can find a way to at least spend a month or two in Italy - almost anywhere with good internet access - you'll never regret it.
Never did that myself (though I did more than that with Brazil and Vietnam), but was lucky enough to have work, then, um, "personal" reasons to spend quite a bit of time in Italy.
Now I'm getting uncomfortable and nostalgic for those extended times in far flung places. Even the weird ones and ones with lots of shooting going on.
ace obviously I don't know your particulars but if you can find a way to at least spend a month or two in Italy - almost anywhere with good internet access - you'll never regret it.
Never did that myself (though I did more than that with Brazil and Vietnam), but was lucky enough to have work, then, um, "personal" reasons to spend quite a bit of time in Italy.
Now I'm getting uncomfortable and nostalgic for those extended times in far flung places. Even the weird ones and ones with lots of shooting going on.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 14, 2015 12:36 PM (QDnY+)
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TLDR
More DrewM bullsh!t.
Prog or GOPe -- don't matter, they are both the same. Although, you might get some KY while the GOPe bends you over.
Let the Progs and GOPers rearrange the deck chairs.
I will be in my life boat laughing while it burns.
go Trump.
More DrewM bullsh!t.
Prog or GOPe -- don't matter, they are both the same. Although, you might get some KY while the GOPe bends you over.
Let the Progs and GOPers rearrange the deck chairs.
I will be in my life boat laughing while it burns.
go Trump.
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We dont know of Ace's situation so no you dont know if he can just run off to Almalfi.
Sort of interesting that is where Gore Vidal lived for so many years. However, he came home to die. He was depressed, and alcoholic, and had cancer.
We dont know of Ace's situation so no you dont know if he can just run off to Almalfi.
Sort of interesting that is where Gore Vidal lived for so many years. However, he came home to die. He was depressed, and alcoholic, and had cancer.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 14, 2015 12:37 PM (iQIUe)
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I was in Ferrara after Gulf War I and there were no tourists, theefore, I was forced to speak Italian. It certainly makes a difference. I also heard that having an italian girlfriend helps. They are cute and speak in that sing song way to their bfs.
Posted by: Wang With a Wang!
We'll be in our bunks.
Posted by: Wang With a Wang!
We'll be in our bunks.
Posted by: Every Moron who saw the hot chick that turned into a Fiat in a commercial at August 14, 2015 12:37 PM (Spluw)
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That said, I like Trump...he's fun.
And I would vote for him over Hillary.
Supreme Court nominations.
And I would vote for him over Hillary.
Supreme Court nominations.
Posted by: sexypig at August 14, 2015 12:37 PM (dZQh7)
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But he still had a lot of money and connections so he still had that going for him...
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 14, 2015 12:37 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 14, 2015 12:39 PM (ODxAs)
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Ace, if you don't have a day job, you can totally work from any location in the world now.
Trust me, its totally doable nowadays.
Time the trip for local elections and be a reporter...that would be fun to read about.
Trust me, its totally doable nowadays.
Time the trip for local elections and be a reporter...that would be fun to read about.
Posted by: sexypig at August 14, 2015 12:42 PM (dZQh7)
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My wife used AirBnB for a week in Berlin, got a great apartment within a block of the conference she was attending. It's the only way to travel to Europe these days, big International chains are fine, but often not where you want to be and lacking local flavor. Our next trip to Europe we'll definitely be doing Airbnb, and I can't imagine switching back.
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 14, 2015 12:42 PM (2cS/G)
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"If you really wanted to humiliate the Establishment, you field a conservative candidate that wins and then you get to say "I told you so". "
Ace's decimate plan is the best way to do this.
Kos did that to the Democrats, and it sort of worked.
Of course the Democrats deliver to their base, and they don't have to do stupid things to appear "nice" in the media.
Ace's decimate plan is the best way to do this.
Kos did that to the Democrats, and it sort of worked.
Of course the Democrats deliver to their base, and they don't have to do stupid things to appear "nice" in the media.
Posted by: sexypig at August 14, 2015 12:45 PM (dZQh7)
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Its the wrong time in history to visit Italia.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
Well, August, sure. But exciting times are *the* best times for a writer.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk
Well, August, sure. But exciting times are *the* best times for a writer.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2015 12:45 PM (ZCFje)
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>>>ace obviously I don't know your particulars but if you can find a way to at least spend a month or two in Italy - almost anywhere with good internet access - you'll never regret it.
yeah I probably *could* do it, and I want to do it, but I guess i'm making excuses for not actually *acting.*
but first i'd go to france, because I want to finally learn that language. Italian i'm just starting out with; i'm not sure that i'd get bang-for-the-buck as far as learning there, I am still in the ho fame level.
whereas as regards French I do think i'm ready for immersion.
yeah I probably *could* do it, and I want to do it, but I guess i'm making excuses for not actually *acting.*
but first i'd go to france, because I want to finally learn that language. Italian i'm just starting out with; i'm not sure that i'd get bang-for-the-buck as far as learning there, I am still in the ho fame level.
whereas as regards French I do think i'm ready for immersion.
Posted by: Brian Dennehy at August 14, 2015 12:47 PM (dciA+)
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Is Swiss Italian as distinctive as Swiss German - i.e. pretty much incomprehensible to mainstream/platt Deutsch speakers?
Posted by: rhomboid at August 14, 2015 12:32 PM (QDnY+)
I think it's more like the french that Canadians speak; difficult for people that speak European or "pure" French to understand. But if you speak "pure" Italian to a Swiss person in the Italian cantons they can understand you just fine.
I lived in the French part of Switzerland for a tiny bit, that is how it was there. Had their own regional French dialect but they understood my halting French.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 14, 2015 12:32 PM (QDnY+)
I think it's more like the french that Canadians speak; difficult for people that speak European or "pure" French to understand. But if you speak "pure" Italian to a Swiss person in the Italian cantons they can understand you just fine.
I lived in the French part of Switzerland for a tiny bit, that is how it was there. Had their own regional French dialect but they understood my halting French.
Posted by: LizLem at August 14, 2015 12:47 PM (hvf9s)
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Posted by: Every Moron who saw the hot chick that turned into a Fiat in a commercial
You mean Romanian Model Catrinel Menghia
http://tinyurl.com/q7zneyo
http://tinyurl.com/nwqp6v2
Your welcome.
You mean Romanian Model Catrinel Menghia
http://tinyurl.com/q7zneyo
http://tinyurl.com/nwqp6v2
Your welcome.
Posted by: wrg500 at August 14, 2015 12:47 PM (FEAjO)
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I mean i'm literally 8 days into my Italian "studies," and that was basically reading about Mike cui hanno un cane, and trying to put sentences together here.
Posted by: ace at August 14, 2015 12:48 PM (dciA+)
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"If you really wanted to humiliate the Establishment, you field a conservative candidate that wins and then you get to say "I told you so". "
Ace's decimate plan is the best way to do this.
Kos did that to the Democrats, and it sort of worked.
Of course the Democrats deliver to their base, and they don't have to do stupid things to appear "nice" in the media.
Posted by: sexypig
It's tough to argue with people when you completely agree we have a big problem but differ on the solution. They think deep down you're not on their side or are the enemy.
The problem is, Trump really would make things worse. I'm not at all afraid he'll win the nomination, but if he goes and runs 3rd party, and takes enough lemmings with him, I just don't see the upside to that.
People who think things can't get worse are really mistaken.
Ace's decimate plan is the best way to do this.
Kos did that to the Democrats, and it sort of worked.
Of course the Democrats deliver to their base, and they don't have to do stupid things to appear "nice" in the media.
Posted by: sexypig
It's tough to argue with people when you completely agree we have a big problem but differ on the solution. They think deep down you're not on their side or are the enemy.
The problem is, Trump really would make things worse. I'm not at all afraid he'll win the nomination, but if he goes and runs 3rd party, and takes enough lemmings with him, I just don't see the upside to that.
People who think things can't get worse are really mistaken.
Posted by: Coolio at August 14, 2015 12:51 PM (nGBJw)
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I want Ted Cruz. We are, without Trump's shenanigans, going to get Jeb Bush. I WILL NOT vote for Jeb Bush. Totally done with holding my nose and voting.
Anyone who upsets the establishment media on both sides has my respect. Should he make it all the way to the POTUS, would he be worse than the current occupant? Ah, no.
So, I will sit back and enjoy the show.
Anyone who upsets the establishment media on both sides has my respect. Should he make it all the way to the POTUS, would he be worse than the current occupant? Ah, no.
So, I will sit back and enjoy the show.
Posted by: rebbal at August 14, 2015 12:51 PM (GnUTT)
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whereas as regards French I do think i'm ready for immersion.
Posted by: Brian Dennehy
We know you're averse to rattling the proverbial tin-cup, but that's just a healthy sense of propriety that's getting in the way.
Put up a shingle, take the cash, and go. Don't wait.
As the Great Rob Schneider always says, "You can do 'eet."
Posted by: Brian Dennehy
We know you're averse to rattling the proverbial tin-cup, but that's just a healthy sense of propriety that's getting in the way.
Put up a shingle, take the cash, and go. Don't wait.
As the Great Rob Schneider always says, "You can do 'eet."
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2015 12:52 PM (ZCFje)
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Its the wrong time in history to visit Italia.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 14, 2015 12:39 PM (ODxAs)
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It's the wrong time in history to be visiting a lot of places. The world is tapdancing on a razor edge.
Its the wrong time in history to visit Italia.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 14, 2015 12:39 PM (ODxAs)
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It's the wrong time in history to be visiting a lot of places. The world is tapdancing on a razor edge.
Posted by: Soona at August 14, 2015 12:53 PM (P25Hh)
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well ace, then I hereby publicly "Shame!" you - get thee to Fwance, young man! act! think of that Teddy Roosevelt quote!
And you know, I think with all languages, but especially with the "easy" ones (for native English speakers, on average), immersion ends up being easier than the more gradual approach. When you think of it, kinda the point of immersion, right?
I had a few months of night-school Portuguese when I immersed myself for half a year in Brazil. Now, at that time that country had particular charms and advantages for a young Yankee that may not be replicated elsewhere, now. Anyway, by month 4 I was getting paid to do translations by a regional development bank (*also* something I found via a young female I "befriended" along the way).
Not sure I'd want to be an adult "immersed" in Vietnamese all of a sudden, but Italian or French? Oh, yes. To paraphrase Sam in Casablanca, the wonderful food, wine, scenery, and female bipeds "take the sting outta bein' immersed".
well ace, then I hereby publicly "Shame!" you - get thee to Fwance, young man! act! think of that Teddy Roosevelt quote!
And you know, I think with all languages, but especially with the "easy" ones (for native English speakers, on average), immersion ends up being easier than the more gradual approach. When you think of it, kinda the point of immersion, right?
I had a few months of night-school Portuguese when I immersed myself for half a year in Brazil. Now, at that time that country had particular charms and advantages for a young Yankee that may not be replicated elsewhere, now. Anyway, by month 4 I was getting paid to do translations by a regional development bank (*also* something I found via a young female I "befriended" along the way).
Not sure I'd want to be an adult "immersed" in Vietnamese all of a sudden, but Italian or French? Oh, yes. To paraphrase Sam in Casablanca, the wonderful food, wine, scenery, and female bipeds "take the sting outta bein' immersed".
Posted by: rhomboid at August 14, 2015 12:55 PM (QDnY+)
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um, ace, ignore my last comment (well, even more than you might anyway) - wrg500 @ #365 has provided new data.
Romania! That's where you oughta go. Much cheaper than a nice place in Italia. And a Latin-linked language, to boot! Actually some nice areas, esp. in the fall, and Bulgaria's got some beautiful areas too (just to visist - don't bother with the Cyrillic alphabet stuff).
I'll betcha even a poor top-tier blogger can afford a few months in Romania.
And - no kidding involved - the main point would be to see whether you can find a suitable local "tutor". w4g500 has pointed the way.
um, ace, ignore my last comment (well, even more than you might anyway) - wrg500 @ #365 has provided new data.
Romania! That's where you oughta go. Much cheaper than a nice place in Italia. And a Latin-linked language, to boot! Actually some nice areas, esp. in the fall, and Bulgaria's got some beautiful areas too (just to visist - don't bother with the Cyrillic alphabet stuff).
I'll betcha even a poor top-tier blogger can afford a few months in Romania.
And - no kidding involved - the main point would be to see whether you can find a suitable local "tutor". w4g500 has pointed the way.
Posted by: rhomboid at August 14, 2015 01:01 PM (QDnY+)
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I use to read a blog of some guy living in Romania. He liked it.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 14, 2015 01:02 PM (iQIUe)
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I love "new choice"... If it weren't for the personal trainer and the shrink I'd throw myself more into improv.
I once lifted up a "teammate" (w another) from the ground like a box as a new choice... You had to be there but I almost died laughing after that.
I once lifted up a "teammate" (w another) from the ground like a box as a new choice... You had to be there but I almost died laughing after that.
Posted by: Former mass resident at August 14, 2015 01:05 PM (xF3iA)
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Or Croatia, it's in the crotch of the Adriatic. Cheaper than Italy itself but all of the climate.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 14, 2015 01:08 PM (ZCFje)
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>>> It's the wrong time in history to be visiting a lot of places. The world is tapdancing on a razor edge.
Yet it's good to try.
Had the chance to go to Syria/Lebanon/Jordan in the mid 2000s and chickened out; regret it. That whole region is just pure chaos now, wish could have seen them pre ISIS and Obama. One of my bucket list places is to visit Petra; worried that will not be possible in my lifetime the way things are going.
I did go to Egypt though the same time. Glad I got to see it before the revolution took place.
Wish I'd had a chance to see Greece before its current woes.
Yet it's good to try.
Had the chance to go to Syria/Lebanon/Jordan in the mid 2000s and chickened out; regret it. That whole region is just pure chaos now, wish could have seen them pre ISIS and Obama. One of my bucket list places is to visit Petra; worried that will not be possible in my lifetime the way things are going.
I did go to Egypt though the same time. Glad I got to see it before the revolution took place.
Wish I'd had a chance to see Greece before its current woes.
Posted by: LizLem at August 14, 2015 01:10 PM (hvf9s)
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The Cooke-spew that Drew lauds is pure ignorance. A flat tax IS progressive, and a wealth tax is not an income tax at all:
"I'm for a flat tax" NEW CHOICE!, "I'm for a wealth tax" NEW CHOICE, "I'm for the progressive income tax system we have"....and the campaign continues.
Yeah, sorry Drew/Cooke. There is nothing inconsistent about those positions AT ALL.
Compare the overall tax rate (the percentage of income paid in taxes, not the marginal tax rate) of a person whose income is the same size as the large personal deduction on a flat tax (zero) with the tax rate of a person making twice the personal deduction (whose overall tax rate would be half the flat tax rate), to a billionaire like Trump (whose overall tax rate would be slightly below the flat tax rate). That is the definition of a progressive tax. The tax rate goes up as income rises. A non-progressive tax is the VAT, which includes no personal deduction.
And wealth taxes are something else altogether. They are a bad idea, but only because there is a much better way to handle wealth as both a source of tax revenue and a matter of social equity. That better way is inheritances taxes, where it is possible to target the ideal wealth distribution: a fortune for everybody.
Just have a high deductible on the RECEIVING end of the inheritance tax, way up at the level of what John Stuart Mill (the originator of this scheme) called "a living," which today would be a couple of million dollars. That gives wealthy folks who don't like giving the government money to waste a strong incentive to distribute their fortunes upon death. To the extent that they don't, government gets more money to waste.
Wealth taxes in contrast achieve no socially desirable goal. They don't distribute wealth, they just give government money to waste, and they are subject to the tyranny of the majority that the founders of this country worked so hard to ward off (where the half the country that has less uses majority rule to loot the half that has more).
Because of the political power inherent in wealth it is desirable to have wealth widely distributed. Thus it makes perfect sense to have the tax system target wealth independently of income. There is nothing inconsistent about this. It is just a division of labor between different kinds of taxes, which is wholly appropriate.
The combination of a flat tax and a wealth-distributing inheritance tax is THE ideal tax system, and should be placed in the Constitution, along with a requirement that the rates on these taxes be set so as to achieve what is called a "full employment balanced budget."
Politicians love being able to put spending on the charge card but it is ruinous for the country, as we are about to find out.
"I'm for a flat tax" NEW CHOICE!, "I'm for a wealth tax" NEW CHOICE, "I'm for the progressive income tax system we have"....and the campaign continues.
Yeah, sorry Drew/Cooke. There is nothing inconsistent about those positions AT ALL.
Compare the overall tax rate (the percentage of income paid in taxes, not the marginal tax rate) of a person whose income is the same size as the large personal deduction on a flat tax (zero) with the tax rate of a person making twice the personal deduction (whose overall tax rate would be half the flat tax rate), to a billionaire like Trump (whose overall tax rate would be slightly below the flat tax rate). That is the definition of a progressive tax. The tax rate goes up as income rises. A non-progressive tax is the VAT, which includes no personal deduction.
And wealth taxes are something else altogether. They are a bad idea, but only because there is a much better way to handle wealth as both a source of tax revenue and a matter of social equity. That better way is inheritances taxes, where it is possible to target the ideal wealth distribution: a fortune for everybody.
Just have a high deductible on the RECEIVING end of the inheritance tax, way up at the level of what John Stuart Mill (the originator of this scheme) called "a living," which today would be a couple of million dollars. That gives wealthy folks who don't like giving the government money to waste a strong incentive to distribute their fortunes upon death. To the extent that they don't, government gets more money to waste.
Wealth taxes in contrast achieve no socially desirable goal. They don't distribute wealth, they just give government money to waste, and they are subject to the tyranny of the majority that the founders of this country worked so hard to ward off (where the half the country that has less uses majority rule to loot the half that has more).
Because of the political power inherent in wealth it is desirable to have wealth widely distributed. Thus it makes perfect sense to have the tax system target wealth independently of income. There is nothing inconsistent about this. It is just a division of labor between different kinds of taxes, which is wholly appropriate.
The combination of a flat tax and a wealth-distributing inheritance tax is THE ideal tax system, and should be placed in the Constitution, along with a requirement that the rates on these taxes be set so as to achieve what is called a "full employment balanced budget."
Politicians love being able to put spending on the charge card but it is ruinous for the country, as we are about to find out.
Posted by: Alec Rawls at August 14, 2015 01:20 PM (kTTUz)
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All good points, I think. But also bear in mind that we cant let all the stupid people vote Democrat or there's no way we'd ever win an election. We have to appeal to at least some of the stupid voters. That means we have to allow our politicians at least some leeway in order to attract enough stupid voters to outnumber the Democrats' stupid voters.
Posted by: JohnJ at August 14, 2015 01:30 PM (TF/YA)
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Put me in the "having my misgivings confirmed" category re: the GOP approach to Trump's supporters. It's their response to the Tea Party without the attempts at sugar coating. The leadership convinced itself that 2014 meant the Tea Party was dead so they could stop pretending to like us and take open shots (like that slug Feehery and the other consultant toad whose name I can't recall).
If these are really the End Times for American politics, wouldn't a rational response be to enlist our support rather than sneering at us? That's why the dire doom and gloom predictions mean little to me. Point that finger at the guy in the mirror, GOP, and tell him its time to start getting serious or Hillary!!!leventy,
If these are really the End Times for American politics, wouldn't a rational response be to enlist our support rather than sneering at us? That's why the dire doom and gloom predictions mean little to me. Point that finger at the guy in the mirror, GOP, and tell him its time to start getting serious or Hillary!!!leventy,
Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at August 14, 2015 01:48 PM (dBLO3)
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Sorry, I'm not going to treat Trump supporters with kid gloves. If their view is, "We've been shafted so many times by these politicians, I don't care about D or R, I just want to stick it to them back," I get that. But "I'm a conservative" and "I support Trump" being used anywhere near each other is going to get pushed back on by me. Because it's demonstrably illogical. We were supposed to be the ideology that mocks the lefties for falling for Hope and Change in 2008. This is worse. At least Obama was a largely unknown quantity that the press was helping to mythologize.
Posted by: FishingWithFredo at August 14, 2015 01:57 PM (INiW9)
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The most troubling aspect is the Pajamas Boys of the infrequent-conservative movement like Erick Erikson in the cheap seats and big leaguers like Will and Gerson. It's all about them. And Jesus. And money. And them, Jesus and money.
Posted by: Donad Trump at August 14, 2015 02:07 PM (pq97T)
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You know, I have listened for weeks about what kind of voter I am. Trump is not my candidate of choice, and he makes me cringe at times, but I am done voting for the "it's my turn" candidate. By doing that nothing will ever change. What kind of person would support Trump.....well me... a female, college educated professional who is married with children. I do not watch reality TV and have never seen Trump's show. I have voted in every, local, state, and national election since I first pulled the trigger for Reagan. I am well versed in policy issues, problems facing this nation and problems facing everyday working Americans. I read everything, I have donated to my candidates of choice (and even some that were not), I have canvassed in an effort to get Republicans where they are. And what do I get for all my time, energy and money a big fat NOTHING! No sorry, that would be name calling.... "low information", "angry" "idiot" and much much worse. You are nuts if Trump appeals to you but here....vote for Jeb! The GOP shows me nothing but contempt. THIS COUNTRY IS GOING TO HELL! I wake up every damn morning fearing for the future of my children. Every day we lose more and more of our rights, our culture and our sanity and what does the GOP do NOTHING! Trump won't even be on my radar except the GOP is not only ignoring my concerns but telling me to sit down and shut up and take what they have the good graces to give me. The GOP's message is yes we are in decline....but we can manage the decline better. We need someone that will stand up to our enemies, the media, the SJWs and the status quo. Trump's appeal is simple and yet he is the only candidate that says "Let's make America great again". That simple line is the appeal! No apologies, no shaming, no shrinking from our enemy. We are a great nation and we can make it great again. Simple message yet so it is far out of the GOP vocabulary that they can't even be bothered any longer to even give it lip service. I want that, we need that, Trump may or may not be able to deliver but I do believe he does love this country and that is the real issue in this election! At this point he certainly couldn't do any worse than what we have or being offered now!
Posted by: BJ at August 14, 2015 02:58 PM (MJ43V)
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"Sorry, I'm not going to treat Trump supporters with kid gloves"
They aren't listening to you or worried about what gloves you're wearing. They're long past that shit. You can't shame people who see you as defending the manifestation of shamefulness. You guys were warned but you kept strumming your shit-harps. Now the Trump appreciation mob doesn't and won't hear you.
They aren't listening to you or worried about what gloves you're wearing. They're long past that shit. You can't shame people who see you as defending the manifestation of shamefulness. You guys were warned but you kept strumming your shit-harps. Now the Trump appreciation mob doesn't and won't hear you.
Posted by: cackfinger at August 14, 2015 03:21 PM (idrFY)
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My greatest hope for Trump! is that his bombastic presence :-) will help the other candidates get some cojones. There are how many? 12? other people out there who seem to want the job, and I want Trump! to be so mouthy without repercussions that the other guys who are "the real deal" get additional courage and speak up without worrying about the Dem media, and etc.
In that sense, He's doing the other candidates a great service.
In that sense, He's doing the other candidates a great service.
Posted by: Susan Lee at August 14, 2015 03:51 PM (lhUKu)
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The GOP elites have written their own party off, this will be the last election in decades where they stand an iota of a chance of winning the White House. Once amnesty is passed, yes they'll do it, those forty sum millions of illegals will ensure this nation is run by Demorats for decades, if you think both parties are corrupted now you ain't seen nothing. Chicago corruption meets Mexico's culture of violence and hello Banana republic.
Posted by: Rose at August 14, 2015 03:55 PM (/1Oxb)
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"Remember how in 2012 Romney "hit his numbers" but lost because Obama found new voters?"
Didn't happen that way. Mitt gained almost a million voters compared to McCain '08, while Obama '12 lost 3.6 million voters compared to Obama '08. Obama didn't (net) find new voters in 2012; he (net) lost some of his old voters. But that wasn't enough to dig Mitt out of the hole McCain had dug in 2008.
Didn't happen that way. Mitt gained almost a million voters compared to McCain '08, while Obama '12 lost 3.6 million voters compared to Obama '08. Obama didn't (net) find new voters in 2012; he (net) lost some of his old voters. But that wasn't enough to dig Mitt out of the hole McCain had dug in 2008.
Posted by: Joshua at August 14, 2015 04:05 PM (oCZ4e)
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"Sorry, I'm not going to treat Trump supporters with kid gloves"
You have had it up to your bow tie, basically...
As Mark Levin said, Trump's enemy list is extremely impressive. A who's who of RINO scum.
You have had it up to your bow tie, basically...
As Mark Levin said, Trump's enemy list is extremely impressive. A who's who of RINO scum.
Posted by: BurnDownTheGOPe at August 14, 2015 04:55 PM (YGdbe)
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His most vocal critics keep elaborately missing the point about Trump. You critique him in the only frame you personally understand, which is conventional politics, but he is proudly not a politician, so in that frame, he generates among the pundits more heat than light.
If you say that only a professional seasoned politician can be President, you have already internalized the slave master.
If you say that only a professional seasoned politician can be President, you have already internalized the slave master.
Posted by: herb borkland at August 14, 2015 05:40 PM (AZ4sn)
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AC said "of course he donated to the dems, he's a businessman", I wonder how much the Koch brothers donated to hillary?
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