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So The Government Declaration That Not Eating Breakfast Would Make You Fat, and It Turns Out They Had No Real Proof of That and Also It's Completely Wrong
And now it's disproven.
If you want to keep talking about the Hillary email scandal, please do, that post is below. But I thought i would offer this change-up from MKH for the end of the day. I have just about heard enough from "government nutritionists."Researchers at a New York City hospital several years ago conducted a test of the widely accepted notion that skipping breakfast can make you fat. For some nutritionists, this idea is an article of faith. Indeed, it is enshrined in the Dietary Guidelines for Americans, the federal government’s advice book, which recommends having breakfast every day because “not eating breakfast has been associated with excess body weight.” As with many nutrition tips, though, including some offered by the Dietary Guidelines, the tidbit about skipping breakfast is based on scientific speculation, not certainty, and indeed, it may be completely unfounded, as the experiment in New York indicated. At 8:30 in the morning for four weeks, one group of subjects got oatmeal, another got frosted corn flakes and a third got nothing. And the only group to lose weight was ... the group that skipped breakfast. Other trials, too, have similarly contradicted the federal advice, showing that skipping breakfast led to lower weight or no change at all. “In overweight individuals, skipping breakfast daily for 4 weeks leads to a reduction in body weight,” the researchers from Columbia University concluded in a paper published last year.The article then discusses, get this, why government scientists get so much wrong, turning speculation and witchfancy into official government recommendations. I've lost a fair amount of weight by a combination of calorie restriction, Atkins, and (sporadic) exercise. I've also been Intermittent Fasting, which just means that rather than eating from, say, 7am to 7pm at night (12 hours of an "eating window"), you instead skip breakfast and have lunch at say 1 and dinner at say seven so that your eating window is only six hours long. In the first instance, you are in a "fed" state (where the body gets energy from food being digested) for 12 hours, and a "fasted" state for 12 hours. In the second, you are in a fed state for only six hours, and a fasted state for 18 hours. The theory here is that if the body does not have a reserve of being-digested food to power itself, it must burn fat to provide you with the energy, because what other choice does it have? So by shrinking the eating window, and expanding the fasting window (and remember, your sleeping hours are all fasting, so those are freebies), you force your body to metabolize fat. This is becoming a very popular thing; Hugh Jackman does it, famously.
And of course these guys (content warning for language and sexual references):
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I'm not sure that anything the government says is true.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 11, 2015 08:30 PM (rwI+c)
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Oatmeal or frosted flakes? How about protein for breakfast? Me, personally, if I don't eat a small, protein-filled breakfast, I am starving at lunch and eat too much.
I'm losing weight without suffering one bit, albeit the loss is slow. I eat meat and veggies and, when I really want pasta or bread, I eat it, but most days, when I place an order, I ask them to leave the bread out of my meal. If I don't see it, I don't miss it.
We don't have to suffer to lose weight.
I'm losing weight without suffering one bit, albeit the loss is slow. I eat meat and veggies and, when I really want pasta or bread, I eat it, but most days, when I place an order, I ask them to leave the bread out of my meal. If I don't see it, I don't miss it.
We don't have to suffer to lose weight.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at August 11, 2015 08:30 PM (PMlgt)
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BTW, I haven't believe the FDA since they banned red M&Ms.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at August 11, 2015 08:31 PM (PMlgt)
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Hugh Jackman may skip breakfast, but he also has a giant smoothie of HGH instead.
Skipping breakfast probably works for some people, while it causes others to gorge themselves later in the day. Personally, I have to eat breakfast or I'm borderline murderous.
Skipping breakfast probably works for some people, while it causes others to gorge themselves later in the day. Personally, I have to eat breakfast or I'm borderline murderous.
Posted by: UGAdawg at August 11, 2015 08:31 PM (c+vBe)
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Red Dye #7 was innocent!!
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 11, 2015 08:32 PM (rwI+c)
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>>>I'm losing weight without suffering one bit, albeit the loss is slow. I eat meat and veggies and, when I really want pasta or bread, I eat it, but most days, when I place an order, I ask them to leave the bread out of my meal. If I don't see it, I don't miss it.
I miss it sometimes. once you're off the carb/sugar addiction, you crave it much less.
However, every once in a while you want to eat those delicious, delicious carbs.
Fried Chicken is a hard thing for me to pass up.
I miss it sometimes. once you're off the carb/sugar addiction, you crave it much less.
However, every once in a while you want to eat those delicious, delicious carbs.
Fried Chicken is a hard thing for me to pass up.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 08:32 PM (dciA+)
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If I don't eat something in the morning I feel miserable.
Posted by: steevy at August 11, 2015 08:32 PM (sPO3u)
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You talk a lot about diet but it doesn't seem as if you exercise at all.
Do you ever engage in any intense physical exercise?
Do you ever engage in any intense physical exercise?
Posted by: Kreplach at August 11, 2015 08:32 PM (JbETL)
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Everyone's body is similar, yet different.
I find I keep my weight down via adequate sleep, resisting the urge to eat after 8:00, and drinking plenty of fluids.
Strangely - fluids really does include beer - as long as I don't mix beer with any meal larger than a dinner salad.
But - I'm active. Not in a CrossFit or GymRat sense - but in an Always Busy Screwing with Something sense.
I find I keep my weight down via adequate sleep, resisting the urge to eat after 8:00, and drinking plenty of fluids.
Strangely - fluids really does include beer - as long as I don't mix beer with any meal larger than a dinner salad.
But - I'm active. Not in a CrossFit or GymRat sense - but in an Always Busy Screwing with Something sense.
Posted by: YouKnowWho at August 11, 2015 08:32 PM (rT51E)
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This isn't wildly surprising to me because your metabolism doesn't really start going until you eat. If you delay eating, you delay your desire to eat. That doesn't mean that lack of breakfast won't make you cranky and tired, but it's not necessarily going to make you fat.
Posted by: nerble at August 11, 2015 08:33 PM (5ih4P)
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>>>You talk a lot about diet but it doesn't seem as if you exercise at all.
Do you ever engage in any intense physical exercise?
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not intense, no. low impact or lifting. I don't know if lifting counts.
Do you ever engage in any intense physical exercise?
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not intense, no. low impact or lifting. I don't know if lifting counts.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 08:33 PM (dciA+)
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Witchfancy is a distant cousin to hornswoggery and argle bargle.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 11, 2015 08:33 PM (oZr5y)
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I'm pretty sure ice cream is all protein. Right?
Posted by: pep at August 11, 2015 08:33 PM (LAe3v)
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Whatever works.
When I was younger, working a lot of hours, I skipped breakfast (I had coffee). And I was able to maintain my weight.
Now, I feel the need to eat a decent breakfast, and it manages my hunger better throughout the day.
For me, it is ALWAYS about the calorie count.
Beware of fasting, no matter what. It is a trend, and sometimes trends are good, sometimes bad. I know that hormonal fluctuations occur, and hormones are linked to just about everything, including certain cancers.
I have no idea how it all pans out. I think is more about the make up of your body, and how you were fed as a baby and small child, what your body got used to. (I'm saying this only if you ate healthy all along, which my family did.)
When I was younger, working a lot of hours, I skipped breakfast (I had coffee). And I was able to maintain my weight.
Now, I feel the need to eat a decent breakfast, and it manages my hunger better throughout the day.
For me, it is ALWAYS about the calorie count.
Beware of fasting, no matter what. It is a trend, and sometimes trends are good, sometimes bad. I know that hormonal fluctuations occur, and hormones are linked to just about everything, including certain cancers.
I have no idea how it all pans out. I think is more about the make up of your body, and how you were fed as a baby and small child, what your body got used to. (I'm saying this only if you ate healthy all along, which my family did.)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 11, 2015 08:33 PM (qCMvj)
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Oh ... and grazing seems to work for me instead of regular big meals. To each their own.
Posted by: YouKnowWho at August 11, 2015 08:33 PM (rT51E)
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>>>his isn't wildly surprising to me because your metabolism doesn't really start going until you eat.
this may be true of some people, but it's not really true of me, and some people might be conditioned this way metabolically, but could re-condition themselves to not need breakfast to get going.
Oh, women i've heard should not do this for more than four days in a row. They need a break day or two. Not sure why. But I've heard that.
this may be true of some people, but it's not really true of me, and some people might be conditioned this way metabolically, but could re-condition themselves to not need breakfast to get going.
Oh, women i've heard should not do this for more than four days in a row. They need a break day or two. Not sure why. But I've heard that.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 08:34 PM (dciA+)
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These days my breakfast diet focuses mainly on octopus.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 11, 2015 08:34 PM (oZr5y)
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What and how much you eat matters to your health and weight, who in the world would seriously recommend anything else? Government, that's who.
I eat a large, by common standards, breakfast and a sizeable dinner. I generally have a small-ish lunch of nuts or salad, sometimes cold meats & cheese, but always small. Exercise regularly to maintain fitness, not for weight control.
Am thin, fit, and feel great. Government says I am undernourished; screw them, they don't know jack.
I eat a large, by common standards, breakfast and a sizeable dinner. I generally have a small-ish lunch of nuts or salad, sometimes cold meats & cheese, but always small. Exercise regularly to maintain fitness, not for weight control.
Am thin, fit, and feel great. Government says I am undernourished; screw them, they don't know jack.
Posted by: steve walsh at August 11, 2015 08:35 PM (YAKwA)
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Big Kelloggs is unhappy.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 11, 2015 08:35 PM (oVJmc)
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The only thing that ever helped me was daily exercise.
Posted by: CanaDave at August 11, 2015 08:35 PM (bxIzx)
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YouKnowWho - Grazing tends to be best because it keeps your metabolism running. However, most people don't have jobs or a daily schedule that allows them to do so.
Posted by: nerble at August 11, 2015 08:36 PM (5ih4P)
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In the morning, I like coffee, a donut/croissant, a newspaper, and everyone to stfu.
In the morning, I like coffee, a donut/croissant, a newspaper, and everyone to stfu.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 11, 2015 08:36 PM (iQIUe)
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>>>Beware of fasting, no matter what. It is a trend, and sometimes trends are good, sometimes bad. I know that hormonal fluctuations occur, and hormones are linked to just about everything, including certain cancers.
ehh... i gotta think our prehistoric ancestors routinely went 16 hours without eating.
this "eat every three or four hours" is entirely a thing in our very wealthy modern western world.
I don't think most people's bodies will go kaflooey from 16 hours of not eating.
ehh... i gotta think our prehistoric ancestors routinely went 16 hours without eating.
this "eat every three or four hours" is entirely a thing in our very wealthy modern western world.
I don't think most people's bodies will go kaflooey from 16 hours of not eating.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 08:36 PM (dciA+)
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atmeal or frosted flakes? How about protein for breakfast? Me, personally, if I don't eat a small, protein-filled breakfast, I am starving at lunch and eat too much.
I'm losing weight without suffering one bit, albeit the loss is slow. I eat meat and veggies and, when I really want pasta or bread, I eat it, but most days, when I place an order, I ask them to leave the bread out of my meal. If I don't see it, I don't miss it.
We don't have to suffer to lose weight.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at August 11, 2015 08:30 PM (PMlgt)
Or maintain it.
and, yes, we always try to have a protein with each meal
it keeps you from getting hungry
I'm losing weight without suffering one bit, albeit the loss is slow. I eat meat and veggies and, when I really want pasta or bread, I eat it, but most days, when I place an order, I ask them to leave the bread out of my meal. If I don't see it, I don't miss it.
We don't have to suffer to lose weight.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at August 11, 2015 08:30 PM (PMlgt)
Or maintain it.
and, yes, we always try to have a protein with each meal
it keeps you from getting hungry
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 11, 2015 08:36 PM (qCMvj)
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Everything the government has ever told us about your diets is always under my suspicion.
They are beholden to lobbyists. Trends tell you who has been lobbying lately, or hardest.
Everything the government has ever told us about your diets is always under my suspicion.
They are beholden to lobbyists. Trends tell you who has been lobbying lately, or hardest.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 11, 2015 08:37 PM (qCMvj)
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Fried Chicken is a hard thing for me to pass up.
Fried chicken? A KFC fried breast is about 45 carbs of protein and only about 11 of carbs. That's practically health food if you're not worried about fat.
Fried Chicken is a hard thing for me to pass up.
Fried chicken? A KFC fried breast is about 45 carbs of protein and only about 11 of carbs. That's practically health food if you're not worried about fat.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 11, 2015 08:37 PM (oVJmc)
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The science is not calm. The science is not calm!
Posted by: scientist code words at August 11, 2015 08:38 PM (tdmtT)
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Bill Clinton was just helping Monica lose weight by eating more protein.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 11, 2015 08:38 PM (oVJmc)
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this "eat every three or four hours" is entirely a thing in our very wealthy modern western world.
Yeah. Besides, they usually make you leave the buffet after like, two hours.
Yeah. Besides, they usually make you leave the buffet after like, two hours.
Posted by: Meghan McCain, Tomorrow's Republican Today at August 11, 2015 08:39 PM (oZr5y)
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Code Word: China Wok.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 11, 2015 08:39 PM (rwI+c)
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I miss it sometimes. once you're off the carb/sugar addiction, you crave it much less.
However, every once in a while you want to eat those delicious, delicious carbs.
Fried Chicken is a hard thing for me to pass up.
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I presume you don't have Church's Chicken in NY because you would never miss it.
You'd never be able to resist it.
However, every once in a while you want to eat those delicious, delicious carbs.
Fried Chicken is a hard thing for me to pass up.
****
I presume you don't have Church's Chicken in NY because you would never miss it.
You'd never be able to resist it.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at August 11, 2015 08:39 PM (PMlgt)
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at August 11, 2015 08:39 PM (ySzLz)
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>>>Fried chicken? A KFC fried breast is about 45 carbs of protein and only about 11 of carbs. That's practically health food if you're not worried about fat.
oh believe me I've calculated the carbs in three pieces of Popeyes and have made the call that I can take the impact of 25 g carbs.
But there is a thing, too, that eating carbs leads to wanting carbs; this is why the "cheat day" system doesn't work for me.
I have one cheat day, then a half a cheat day, then another half a cheat day, etc.
oh believe me I've calculated the carbs in three pieces of Popeyes and have made the call that I can take the impact of 25 g carbs.
But there is a thing, too, that eating carbs leads to wanting carbs; this is why the "cheat day" system doesn't work for me.
I have one cheat day, then a half a cheat day, then another half a cheat day, etc.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 08:39 PM (dciA+)
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ehh... i gotta think our prehistoric ancestors routinely went 16 hours without eating.
this "eat every three or four hours" is entirely a thing in our very wealthy modern western world.
I don't think most people's bodies will go kaflooey from 16 hours of not eating.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 08:36 PM (dciA+)
whatever works for you
as a migraine sufferer, I know when my hormones have fluctuated widely - the two are directly related for me
this "eat every three or four hours" is entirely a thing in our very wealthy modern western world.
I don't think most people's bodies will go kaflooey from 16 hours of not eating.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 08:36 PM (dciA+)
whatever works for you
as a migraine sufferer, I know when my hormones have fluctuated widely - the two are directly related for me
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 11, 2015 08:39 PM (qCMvj)
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The South Park guys, who's jokes are usually on the square, pointed out that the FDA food pyramid is upside down. Grains and carbs are not preferable to meat and dairy.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 11, 2015 08:39 PM (+4uXG)
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No breakfast and pretty routinely, a McD's "Double Cheeseburger", with absolutely no trimmings and no bun, for lunch.
Yep, just two small bits of meat n' cheese, about 300 calories worth.
Holds me till dinner, which is a good sized chunk of beef or pork or chicken or fish.... meat.
And a green veggie or something like butter beans or black-eyed peas.
One solitary 16 oz can o' beer with dinner. A nightcap of a good slug of bourbon, neat. "Slug", being about three or four fingers in a rocks glass.
I'll serve that up 'round about 10 pm, and it'll last me till snoozetime 'bout midnight.
Living thus, I've been enjoying a slow but steady loss, from about 230 lbs. down to 205, and fading. Once I hit 190, I'll look to hold that and not fall below 180/185.
And folks, it's all scratch cooking for dinner here, with real quality ingredients and nothing packaged. If you're gonna go on thin rations, go on good, tasty thin rations!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Yep, just two small bits of meat n' cheese, about 300 calories worth.
Holds me till dinner, which is a good sized chunk of beef or pork or chicken or fish.... meat.
And a green veggie or something like butter beans or black-eyed peas.
One solitary 16 oz can o' beer with dinner. A nightcap of a good slug of bourbon, neat. "Slug", being about three or four fingers in a rocks glass.
I'll serve that up 'round about 10 pm, and it'll last me till snoozetime 'bout midnight.
Living thus, I've been enjoying a slow but steady loss, from about 230 lbs. down to 205, and fading. Once I hit 190, I'll look to hold that and not fall below 180/185.
And folks, it's all scratch cooking for dinner here, with real quality ingredients and nothing packaged. If you're gonna go on thin rations, go on good, tasty thin rations!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at August 11, 2015 08:39 PM (McRlu)
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YouKnowWho - Grazing tends to be best because it keeps your metabolism running. However, most people don't have jobs or a daily schedule that allows them to do so.
True ... and I am fortunate in that respect. I can always take small tupperwares pretty much anywhere I work - and take a five minute munch when I want to. But folks on an assembly line, or field construction where every minute is watched, can't.
My system just doesn't do well with big intakes of food. At all. Don't want to get too gross - but you know what I mean.
True ... and I am fortunate in that respect. I can always take small tupperwares pretty much anywhere I work - and take a five minute munch when I want to. But folks on an assembly line, or field construction where every minute is watched, can't.
My system just doesn't do well with big intakes of food. At all. Don't want to get too gross - but you know what I mean.
Posted by: YouKnowWho at August 11, 2015 08:40 PM (rT51E)
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>>> Oatmeal or frosted flakes? How about protein for breakfast? Me, personally, if I don't eat a small, protein-filled breakfast, I am starving at lunch and eat too much.
Blueberries on super-fatted (10%) yogurt and three scrambled eggs.
If I ate a carby breakfast I would be snacking by 9:30.
Blueberries on super-fatted (10%) yogurt and three scrambled eggs.
If I ate a carby breakfast I would be snacking by 9:30.
Posted by: fluffy at August 11, 2015 08:40 PM (2iV3X)
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The FDA and all the other government food police are full of it. Utter nonsense. Eat, drink and dip your wang all in moderation is the key to success.
Well except the wang part.....dip it as often as you can.
Well except the wang part.....dip it as often as you can.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 11, 2015 08:40 PM (JG47A)
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Everything the government has ever told us about your diets is always under my suspicion.
They are beholden to lobbyists. Trends tell you who has been lobbying lately, or hardest.
+1000
There's always some political motivation, eg: red meat is bad for you, but only because cattle ranchers are pro conservative or war on tobacco because the tobacco growers are donors to the Republicans.
They are beholden to lobbyists. Trends tell you who has been lobbying lately, or hardest.
+1000
There's always some political motivation, eg: red meat is bad for you, but only because cattle ranchers are pro conservative or war on tobacco because the tobacco growers are donors to the Republicans.
Posted by: CanaDave at August 11, 2015 08:40 PM (bxIzx)
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 11, 2015 08:40 PM (rwI+c)
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But there is a thing, too, that eating carbs leads to wanting carbs; this is why the "cheat day" system doesn't work for me.
yes, I can't eat bread very much at all anymore
but, then again, I look at the calories, not the carbs - two slices of bread can add 200-300 or so extra calories a meal
yes, I can't eat bread very much at all anymore
but, then again, I look at the calories, not the carbs - two slices of bread can add 200-300 or so extra calories a meal
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 11, 2015 08:41 PM (qCMvj)
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>> this may be true of some people, but it's not really true of me, and some people might be conditioned this way metabolically, but could re-condition themselves to not need breakfast to get going.
I have low blood sugar, could be why. However, there's also the fact that I metabolism can be wildly different from person to person, another thing that the gov't one-size-fits-all BS doesn't address. Most of the people in my family get nauseous at the idea of eating in the morning, but I know that's not the norm.
I have low blood sugar, could be why. However, there's also the fact that I metabolism can be wildly different from person to person, another thing that the gov't one-size-fits-all BS doesn't address. Most of the people in my family get nauseous at the idea of eating in the morning, but I know that's not the norm.
Posted by: nerble at August 11, 2015 08:41 PM (5ih4P)
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@11
Lifting definantely counts.
Any sort of light moderate to moderate intensity weight lifting counts.
I completely discount going through the motions weight lifting.
I've been incredibly fit at times and incredibly out of shape, I'm currently getting ready for my first Spartan race in September and have been training as intensely as I can for that.
One sneaky way to get in shape is to start hiking, up mountains if you can.
I've found the most benefit to eat reasonable portions at regular intervals consistently.
I'm not sure about this fasting business.
Lifting definantely counts.
Any sort of light moderate to moderate intensity weight lifting counts.
I completely discount going through the motions weight lifting.
I've been incredibly fit at times and incredibly out of shape, I'm currently getting ready for my first Spartan race in September and have been training as intensely as I can for that.
One sneaky way to get in shape is to start hiking, up mountains if you can.
I've found the most benefit to eat reasonable portions at regular intervals consistently.
I'm not sure about this fasting business.
Posted by: Kreplach at August 11, 2015 08:41 PM (JbETL)
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The best way to lose weight is to expel mass from both ends of the alimentary canal at once. Also known as the Pizza Hut diet.
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at August 11, 2015 08:41 PM (ktt8p)
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anyone on low carb eat blackberries?
Man, are they good. just a couple of those guys are a nice little treat.
I never liked them before i got off sugar and carbs because they're not super-loaed with sugar. but when you don't have much sugar, you appreciate the sweetness.
Man, are they good. just a couple of those guys are a nice little treat.
I never liked them before i got off sugar and carbs because they're not super-loaed with sugar. but when you don't have much sugar, you appreciate the sweetness.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 08:41 PM (dciA+)
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Or maintain it.
and, yes, we always try to have a protein with each meal
it keeps you from getting hungry
***
Maintaining it is key and when you lose it slowly, only 2-3 pounds per month, the change to your diet is easy to stick with and, for the few weeks when I did eat "bad", I didn't gain anything back, I just stopped losing. Now I'm back to losing again.
Slow and steady does it.
and, yes, we always try to have a protein with each meal
it keeps you from getting hungry
***
Maintaining it is key and when you lose it slowly, only 2-3 pounds per month, the change to your diet is easy to stick with and, for the few weeks when I did eat "bad", I didn't gain anything back, I just stopped losing. Now I'm back to losing again.
Slow and steady does it.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at August 11, 2015 08:41 PM (PMlgt)
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Crossfit FTW, bitches!!!
Posted by: citizen 666 at August 11, 2015 08:42 PM (LPHFE)
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>>>I have low blood sugar, could be why. However, there's also the fact that I metabolism can be wildly different from person to person, another thing that the gov't one-size-fits-all BS doesn't address. Most of the people in my family get nauseous at the idea of eating in the morning, but I know that's not the norm.
oh yeah right, anyone with any blood sugar problems should not do this!
oh yeah right, anyone with any blood sugar problems should not do this!
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 08:42 PM (dciA+)
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*falls down all exhausted and shit*
Sup Horde.
Been a while. Am I still remembered or do I have to go through the whole "noob" thing again?
Sup Horde.
Been a while. Am I still remembered or do I have to go through the whole "noob" thing again?
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Lion Lives Matter at August 11, 2015 08:42 PM (GEICT)
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Blueberries on super-fatted (10%) yogurt and three scrambled eggs.
If I ate a carby breakfast I would be snacking by 9:30.
***
That's a yummy and nutritious breakfast!
If I ate carbs first thing in the morning I would be asleep by noon.
If I ate a carby breakfast I would be snacking by 9:30.
***
That's a yummy and nutritious breakfast!
If I ate carbs first thing in the morning I would be asleep by noon.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at August 11, 2015 08:43 PM (PMlgt)
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I think it all boils down to the fast carbs and processed shit which is basically fast carbs. Cut out the sugar and the fast carbs (which might as well be sugar) and you'll lose weight (well, most people will -- I'm sure there are outliers as with all things) gradually.
Your body's own set-point will get adjusted back to normal and not be all fucked up from the sugar-insulin vicious cycle.
If you look at the data since the 70s, we've got fatter and more diabetic, and that corresponds will all the "fat will kill you!" crap, which caused us to replace fat with carbs, fast carbs.
Hell, if you ran the numbers, I wonder how many people you could say the government's bad nutrition has killed over the years since they started with this shit.
Your body's own set-point will get adjusted back to normal and not be all fucked up from the sugar-insulin vicious cycle.
If you look at the data since the 70s, we've got fatter and more diabetic, and that corresponds will all the "fat will kill you!" crap, which caused us to replace fat with carbs, fast carbs.
Hell, if you ran the numbers, I wonder how many people you could say the government's bad nutrition has killed over the years since they started with this shit.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 11, 2015 08:43 PM (dvuhZ)
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If you consume more fuel than you burn, your body will store some as fat. If you burn more fuel than you have in the tank, your body will burn said fat.
Everyone's a tad different, but generally you get the gist.
If you consume more fuel than you burn, your body will store some as fat. If you burn more fuel than you have in the tank, your body will burn said fat.
Everyone's a tad different, but generally you get the gist.
Posted by: GBruno at August 11, 2015 08:43 PM (u49WF)
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i really need to eat more eggs. every time i have eggs, i feel good.
( i know, might be boosting my T)
( i know, might be boosting my T)
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 08:44 PM (dciA+)
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oh yeah right, anyone with any blood sugar problems should not do this!
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 08:42 PM (dciA+)
*waves hello*
Type 1 diabetic. Dieting can get very tricky as you have to adjust your medications to fit the new diet.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 08:42 PM (dciA+)
*waves hello*
Type 1 diabetic. Dieting can get very tricky as you have to adjust your medications to fit the new diet.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Lion Lives Matter at August 11, 2015 08:44 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 11, 2015 08:44 PM (P63/A)
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I've been incredibly fit at times and incredibly out of shape, I'm currently getting ready for my first Spartan race in September and have been training as intensely as I can for that.
I'd really like to CrossFit - if it wasn't for the whole damn "Joining a LifeStyle" thing about CrossFit.
Or just hit the Lotto and start a small farm. I'd really, really like that - just for the "something fun and active to do" part.
I'd really like to CrossFit - if it wasn't for the whole damn "Joining a LifeStyle" thing about CrossFit.
Or just hit the Lotto and start a small farm. I'd really, really like that - just for the "something fun and active to do" part.
Posted by: YouKnowWho at August 11, 2015 08:44 PM (rT51E)
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My metabolism slows to meet my caloric intake. I have to shock the system with no-carbs to get my weight to move.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 11, 2015 08:45 PM (rwI+c)
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>>>f you look at the data since the 70s, we've got fatter and more diabetic, and that corresponds will all the "fat will kill you!" crap, which caused us to replace fat with carbs, fast carbs.
yup, absolutely poisonous advice.
Now that i can eat fat, I really enjoy super fatty, luscious cheeses like epoisses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89poisses_de_Bourgogne
yup, absolutely poisonous advice.
Now that i can eat fat, I really enjoy super fatty, luscious cheeses like epoisses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89poisses_de_Bourgogne
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 08:45 PM (dciA+)
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Ace,
I don't believe in plateus, so if low carb stops working, the USUAL reason is you need to up your dietary saturated fat intake because you aren't taking in enough fuel. Carb/calorie creep doesn't seem to be an issue with you, and that's the most common reason.
/pretty consistent low carb for about 7 years
I don't believe in plateus, so if low carb stops working, the USUAL reason is you need to up your dietary saturated fat intake because you aren't taking in enough fuel. Carb/calorie creep doesn't seem to be an issue with you, and that's the most common reason.
/pretty consistent low carb for about 7 years
Posted by: Doomed at August 11, 2015 08:45 PM (bGLSw)
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Grains/carbs are the majority of the food pyramid for a reason.
Moms used to make breakfast- meat and eggs, y'know, real and good food.
As they went to work, we all of a sudden started eating cereal.
Cereal is poison. Even vitamin-fortified poison. The obesity epidemic begins.
Grains/carbs are the majority of the food pyramid for a reason.
Moms used to make breakfast- meat and eggs, y'know, real and good food.
As they went to work, we all of a sudden started eating cereal.
Cereal is poison. Even vitamin-fortified poison. The obesity epidemic begins.
Posted by: MAx at August 11, 2015 08:46 PM (LAliD)
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By the way, I'm thinking Cankles doesn't spend as much time burning body fat as she does burning jet fuel in her private "French Made" jet.
By the way, I'm thinking Cankles doesn't spend as much time burning body fat as she does burning jet fuel in her private "French Made" jet.
Posted by: GBruno at August 11, 2015 08:46 PM (u49WF)
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Oh, and there's always the Fat Fast (google it). It's brutal, but it's short duration and works every time.
Posted by: Doomed at August 11, 2015 08:46 PM (bGLSw)
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If you exercise every day (we do something at least 5 days a week, usually more), this changes up things a bit.
My husband does way more weight lifting than I, so needs a lot more calories as a result.
Today, I ran the recumbent for about 45 mins or so. Before Ace was up and posting of course.
My husband does way more weight lifting than I, so needs a lot more calories as a result.
Today, I ran the recumbent for about 45 mins or so. Before Ace was up and posting of course.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 11, 2015 08:46 PM (qCMvj)
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"BTW, I haven't believe the FDA since they banned red M&Ms."
Cyclamates.
Which were going to give tens of millions of people OMG LETHAL BLADDER CANCER, based on studies in which rodents (not great biochemical proxies for primates) had been fed absolutely gargantuan amounts of cyclamates and had developed a few minor tumors of questionable danger.
Canadian health authorities weren't convinced and didn't join the ban. Cyclamates continued to be sold and consumed north of the border. Canucks did not experience any unusual spike in bladder cancer.
But the science was settled, y'all.
Cyclamates.
Which were going to give tens of millions of people OMG LETHAL BLADDER CANCER, based on studies in which rodents (not great biochemical proxies for primates) had been fed absolutely gargantuan amounts of cyclamates and had developed a few minor tumors of questionable danger.
Canadian health authorities weren't convinced and didn't join the ban. Cyclamates continued to be sold and consumed north of the border. Canucks did not experience any unusual spike in bladder cancer.
But the science was settled, y'all.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 11, 2015 08:46 PM (noWW6)
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Wasn't it Kellog's that paid for the study that found that breakfast was "the most important meal of the day" years ago?
Breakfast is anytime YOU decide to break your overnight fast.
I figured out in my early 20s that I was far hungrier for lunch if I ate breakfast than I was if I skipped it. Sure enough, the guy at Lean Gains explains that your cortisol level is at its peak shortly after you arise. If you eat while your cortisol is spiked, for *some* people, it's like pouring igniter fluid on their appetite. I am definitely one of those people.
I've just concluded my first year of the Intermitted Fasting method called the 5:2. It works for me without all the calorie or points counting of other diets. Here's the link:
http://thefastdiet.co.uk
Breakfast is anytime YOU decide to break your overnight fast.
I figured out in my early 20s that I was far hungrier for lunch if I ate breakfast than I was if I skipped it. Sure enough, the guy at Lean Gains explains that your cortisol level is at its peak shortly after you arise. If you eat while your cortisol is spiked, for *some* people, it's like pouring igniter fluid on their appetite. I am definitely one of those people.
I've just concluded my first year of the Intermitted Fasting method called the 5:2. It works for me without all the calorie or points counting of other diets. Here's the link:
http://thefastdiet.co.uk
Posted by: parteagirl at August 11, 2015 08:46 PM (Plx/u)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 11, 2015 08:47 PM (iQIUe)
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Yakov Smirnoff hangs out in Branson, MO now.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 11, 2015 08:47 PM (oVJmc)
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Crossfit isn't a lifestyle if you don't want it to be. Just ignore the cultish bullshit and get a load of that super hot friendly chick doing Romanian Deadlifts in yoga pants 3 feet from your face.
Posted by: citizen 666 at August 11, 2015 08:47 PM (LPHFE)
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In my experience, weight gain becomes more of a problem as you age. Less physical activity seems to translate into more fat retention, and more difficulty in maintaining a specific weight.
In my mid-seventies, I consume considerably less than my early years, but try to consume 4-5 times daily with small amounts of specifics. No potato chips, booze, or weight gaining snacks in the house, and it works well for me.
Dessert? Two or three papaya tablets from GNC after the night meal and it doubles as a digestive aid and the mind believes its a sweet.
In my experience, weight gain becomes more of a problem as you age. Less physical activity seems to translate into more fat retention, and more difficulty in maintaining a specific weight.
In my mid-seventies, I consume considerably less than my early years, but try to consume 4-5 times daily with small amounts of specifics. No potato chips, booze, or weight gaining snacks in the house, and it works well for me.
Dessert? Two or three papaya tablets from GNC after the night meal and it doubles as a digestive aid and the mind believes its a sweet.
Posted by: Doctor Fish at August 11, 2015 08:47 PM (OiFtZ)
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"two slices of bread can add 200-300 or so extra calories a meal"
I always get the light bread for sandwiches, toast, etc. 40-60 calories a piece.
I always get the light bread for sandwiches, toast, etc. 40-60 calories a piece.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 11, 2015 08:48 PM (P63/A)
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2 Oatmeal or frosted flakes? How about protein for breakfast? Me, personally, if I don't eat a small, protein-filled breakfast, I am starving at lunch and eat too much.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at August 11, 2015 08:30 PM (PMlgt)
Bingo. If I eat something high in carbs like cereal or a bagel for breakfast, I'm hungry again a couple hours later. Then I'm tempted to snack, and guess what? Most snack food is also high in carbs. So it's easy to get into a vicious cycle.
If I eat a protein-rich breakfast like bacon and eggs, I'm good until lunch.
For years on workdays, I had a McDonald's breakfast like a Sausage McMuffin, hash browns, and apple juice. When I learned the truth about carbs, I cut out the hash browns, substituted coffee for the apple juice, and kept the Sausage McMuffin.
If I was going to be fanatical about it, I would throw away the muffin and just eat the sausage, egg, and cheese.
The last couple of times I had my cholesterol checked, it was slightly high but not alarmingly so. I haven't been able to cut out carbs altogether. I love mashed potatoes and rice pilaf. I do try to eat smaller portions.
But from what I have been reading in recent years, there is absolutely nothing wrong with saturated fats, particularly animal fats.
There is also the little detail that cholesterol is essential to cell health, sort of like how carbon dioxide is essential to plant life.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at August 11, 2015 08:30 PM (PMlgt)
Bingo. If I eat something high in carbs like cereal or a bagel for breakfast, I'm hungry again a couple hours later. Then I'm tempted to snack, and guess what? Most snack food is also high in carbs. So it's easy to get into a vicious cycle.
If I eat a protein-rich breakfast like bacon and eggs, I'm good until lunch.
For years on workdays, I had a McDonald's breakfast like a Sausage McMuffin, hash browns, and apple juice. When I learned the truth about carbs, I cut out the hash browns, substituted coffee for the apple juice, and kept the Sausage McMuffin.
If I was going to be fanatical about it, I would throw away the muffin and just eat the sausage, egg, and cheese.
The last couple of times I had my cholesterol checked, it was slightly high but not alarmingly so. I haven't been able to cut out carbs altogether. I love mashed potatoes and rice pilaf. I do try to eat smaller portions.
But from what I have been reading in recent years, there is absolutely nothing wrong with saturated fats, particularly animal fats.
There is also the little detail that cholesterol is essential to cell health, sort of like how carbon dioxide is essential to plant life.
Posted by: rickl at August 11, 2015 08:48 PM (sdi6R)
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>>>I don't believe in plateus, so if low carb stops working, the USUAL reason is you need to up your dietary saturated fat intake because you aren't taking in enough fuel.
this could be it-- I have been on a hardcore diet of virtually only protein for long periods. Maybe I have to make sure I get my cheese on.*
the thing is, i'm losing weight, but i'm usually not in good ketosis. Low levels, trace, etc.
*it's not really intentionally hardcore -- I'm just eating mostly grilled chicken lately. I don't really want much else most days.
this could be it-- I have been on a hardcore diet of virtually only protein for long periods. Maybe I have to make sure I get my cheese on.*
the thing is, i'm losing weight, but i'm usually not in good ketosis. Low levels, trace, etc.
*it's not really intentionally hardcore -- I'm just eating mostly grilled chicken lately. I don't really want much else most days.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 08:48 PM (dciA+)
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Wasn't it Kellog's that paid for the study that found that breakfast was "the most important meal of the day" years ago?
Kellogg's, which sells you a box full of carbohydrates.
Kellogg's, which sells you a box full of carbohydrates.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 11, 2015 08:49 PM (oVJmc)
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50 Probably a troll 
Posted by: MAx at August 11, 2015 08:49 PM (LAliD)
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i really need to eat more eggs. every time i have eggs, i feel good.
( i know, might be boosting my T)
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 08:44 PM (dciA+)
I keep a small bowl of hard boiled eggs for when I'm in a hurry in the morning. That, a small piece of ham, a piece of fruit. That is one of my favorite breakfasts.
Otherwise, I'm eating yogurt every morning as default.
( i know, might be boosting my T)
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 08:44 PM (dciA+)
I keep a small bowl of hard boiled eggs for when I'm in a hurry in the morning. That, a small piece of ham, a piece of fruit. That is one of my favorite breakfasts.
Otherwise, I'm eating yogurt every morning as default.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 11, 2015 08:49 PM (qCMvj)
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i really need to eat more eggs. every time i have eggs, i feel good.
( i know, might be boosting my T)
***
If I were told I could only choose one food to eat for the rest of my life, eggs would be it. I eat a lot of them.
I have very high cholesterol, but I have my entire life, and every test I have had has confirmed that my arteries are clean. Several years ago a neurologist told me that he thought it would be less than 10 years before the cholesterol scare would prove to be complete nonsense. He said "Look at you!"
I do have CHF, but that's due to a virus that caused my immune system to attack my heart. CHF is also to blame for my drastic weight gain. Depression accompanied with forced inactivity is a killer.
( i know, might be boosting my T)
***
If I were told I could only choose one food to eat for the rest of my life, eggs would be it. I eat a lot of them.
I have very high cholesterol, but I have my entire life, and every test I have had has confirmed that my arteries are clean. Several years ago a neurologist told me that he thought it would be less than 10 years before the cholesterol scare would prove to be complete nonsense. He said "Look at you!"
I do have CHF, but that's due to a virus that caused my immune system to attack my heart. CHF is also to blame for my drastic weight gain. Depression accompanied with forced inactivity is a killer.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at August 11, 2015 08:49 PM (PMlgt)
Posted by: Chris Christie at August 11, 2015 08:50 PM (UYT64)
Posted by: citizen 666 at August 11, 2015 08:50 PM (LPHFE)
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>>> One sneaky way to get in shape is to start hiking, up mountains if you can.
I'm a weekend warrior. All day Monday I can practically hear my internal furnace burning. It's an interesting physical state. I'm running a caloric deficit, but I don't feel a great need to eat because I'm burning more fat stores (I carry a small K-Mart).
Usually I end up giving in because I like to eat.
I'm a weekend warrior. All day Monday I can practically hear my internal furnace burning. It's an interesting physical state. I'm running a caloric deficit, but I don't feel a great need to eat because I'm burning more fat stores (I carry a small K-Mart).
Usually I end up giving in because I like to eat.
Posted by: fluffy at August 11, 2015 08:50 PM (2iV3X)
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Cochran! Good to see you buddy! I really enjoyed your recap of the Red State gathering.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 11, 2015 08:50 PM (jR7Wy)
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>> If you exercise every day (we do something at least 5 days a week, usually more), this changes up things a bit.
I agree and disagree with this. Every time in my life that I've exercised, I've become a black hole of eating. Like, if it's not nailed down, it's going in my face. I know most people luff exercise as a form of weight loss, but I just become a giant carnivorous plant.
I agree and disagree with this. Every time in my life that I've exercised, I've become a black hole of eating. Like, if it's not nailed down, it's going in my face. I know most people luff exercise as a form of weight loss, but I just become a giant carnivorous plant.
Posted by: nerble at August 11, 2015 08:51 PM (5ih4P)
Posted by: Meghan McCain at August 11, 2015 08:51 PM (AaiVs)
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"two slices of bread can add 200-300 or so extra calories a meal"
I always get the light bread for sandwiches, toast, etc. 40-60 calories a piece.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 11, 2015 08:48 PM (P63/A)
I try to eat the rye bread, which usually has about half the calories of the others I buy. I love rye bread, so that's good.
I always get the light bread for sandwiches, toast, etc. 40-60 calories a piece.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 11, 2015 08:48 PM (P63/A)
I try to eat the rye bread, which usually has about half the calories of the others I buy. I love rye bread, so that's good.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 11, 2015 08:51 PM (qCMvj)
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I keep a small bowl of hard boiled eggs for when I'm in a hurry in the morning. That, a small piece of ham, a piece of fruit. That is one of my favorite breakfasts.
Otherwise, I'm eating yogurt every morning as default.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 11, 2015 08:49 PM (qCMvj)
There are few things in life, when you're in a hurry and hungry, better than a hardboiled egg. If I've got a minute, I hit that sucker with some salt and pepper.
Dammit. Now I want a hard boiled egg.
Otherwise, I'm eating yogurt every morning as default.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 11, 2015 08:49 PM (qCMvj)
There are few things in life, when you're in a hurry and hungry, better than a hardboiled egg. If I've got a minute, I hit that sucker with some salt and pepper.
Dammit. Now I want a hard boiled egg.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Lion Lives Matter at August 11, 2015 08:51 PM (GEICT)
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"One solitary 16 oz can o' beer with dinner."
It's possible to consume heroic quantities of beer without developing the classic "beer gut".
I have several theories as to why this may be. Theories loudly slurred in the hour before closing time.
One is that the rice used in many classic American pale lagers (Budweiser, et cetera) is in some way at fault. I can't postulate a mechanism, but I certainly and reliably observe the correlation.
I would use myself as a guinea pig in the finest scientific tradition, but I can't stomach drinking that stuff in more than the occasional single dose.
It's possible to consume heroic quantities of beer without developing the classic "beer gut".
I have several theories as to why this may be. Theories loudly slurred in the hour before closing time.
One is that the rice used in many classic American pale lagers (Budweiser, et cetera) is in some way at fault. I can't postulate a mechanism, but I certainly and reliably observe the correlation.
I would use myself as a guinea pig in the finest scientific tradition, but I can't stomach drinking that stuff in more than the occasional single dose.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 11, 2015 08:52 PM (noWW6)
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>>>Oh, and there's always the Fat Fast (google it). It's brutal, but it's short duration and works every time.
it's not really brutal, i like it.
i make this ridiculously over-rich butter/parm/heavy cream sauce with lots of garlic, and I throw that over brocoli or those japanese fake noodles with zero carbs/all fiber.
Then you can just have onion dip on broccoli, you can have these various chocolate fat bombs, etc.
it's not a bad diet if you get a cookbook.
you just are forbidden to stay on it for too long, it's not good for you for long periods.
it's not really brutal, i like it.
i make this ridiculously over-rich butter/parm/heavy cream sauce with lots of garlic, and I throw that over brocoli or those japanese fake noodles with zero carbs/all fiber.
Then you can just have onion dip on broccoli, you can have these various chocolate fat bombs, etc.
it's not a bad diet if you get a cookbook.
you just are forbidden to stay on it for too long, it's not good for you for long periods.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 08:52 PM (dciA+)
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Been a while. Am I still remembered or do I have to go through the whole "noob" thing again?
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Lion Lives Matter at August 11, 2015 08:42 PM (GEICT)
who bitch this is?
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Lion Lives Matter at August 11, 2015 08:42 PM (GEICT)
who bitch this is?
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 11, 2015 08:52 PM (AkOaV)
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>>>
There are few things in life, when you're in a hurry and hungry, better than a hardboiled egg. If I've got a minute, I hit that sucker with some salt and pepper.
Dammit. Now I want a hard boiled egg.
anyone do that one-minute egg thing, where it's still wet?
I might want to start doing that.
There are few things in life, when you're in a hurry and hungry, better than a hardboiled egg. If I've got a minute, I hit that sucker with some salt and pepper.
Dammit. Now I want a hard boiled egg.
anyone do that one-minute egg thing, where it's still wet?
I might want to start doing that.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 08:53 PM (dciA+)
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81 Cochran! Good to see you buddy! I really enjoyed your recap of the Red State gathering.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 11, 2015 08:50 PM (jR7Wy)
Howdy ma'am! Good to see you too. It's been craziness around here for the last couple weeks.
Glad you liked it. I had a blast. Tons of good people above and beyond the candidates.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 11, 2015 08:50 PM (jR7Wy)
Howdy ma'am! Good to see you too. It's been craziness around here for the last couple weeks.
Glad you liked it. I had a blast. Tons of good people above and beyond the candidates.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Lion Lives Matter at August 11, 2015 08:53 PM (GEICT)
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>>I'm just eating mostly grilled chicken lately. I don't really want much else most days.
Keep Eatig that Chicken, Ace.
Keep Eatig that Chicken, Ace.
Posted by: Ernie Anastis at August 11, 2015 08:54 PM (AaiVs)
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"There are few things in life, when you're in a hurry and hungry, better than a hardboiled egg. If I've got a minute, I hit that sucker with some salt and pepper."
Sriracha. Tapatio. Beaver sweet hot mustard.
But of course you shouldn't eat eggs, because the federals say that they'll cause your heart to explode like a dropped water balloon.
Sriracha. Tapatio. Beaver sweet hot mustard.
But of course you shouldn't eat eggs, because the federals say that they'll cause your heart to explode like a dropped water balloon.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 11, 2015 08:54 PM (noWW6)
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That's the way I've always been. Cereal (or anything mostly carbs) wouldn't last 2 hours and I'd be ravenous and have to stuff my face with something.
Now, let me eat a big breakfast of eggs and bacon and/or sausage (and maybe a little carbs in some other than sugar form) and I can go nearly all day. I can usually even skip lunch and not be hungry until late in the afternoon.
I've always despised cereal for this reason, even before I start learning about all this crap.
Now, let me eat a big breakfast of eggs and bacon and/or sausage (and maybe a little carbs in some other than sugar form) and I can go nearly all day. I can usually even skip lunch and not be hungry until late in the afternoon.
I've always despised cereal for this reason, even before I start learning about all this crap.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 11, 2015 08:54 PM (dvuhZ)
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who bitch this is?
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 11, 2015 08:52 PM (AkOaV)
*spews dt mtn dew*
Motherfucker. I missed you heathens.
Posted by: mynewhandle at August 11, 2015 08:52 PM (AkOaV)
*spews dt mtn dew*
Motherfucker. I missed you heathens.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Lion Lives Matter at August 11, 2015 08:54 PM (GEICT)
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87 Hey ace cottage cheese is the lick
Posted by: MAx at August 11, 2015 08:54 PM (LAliD)
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I agree and disagree with this. Every time in my life that I've exercised, I've become a black hole of eating. Like, if it's not nailed down, it's going in my face. I know most people luff exercise as a form of weight loss, but I just become a giant carnivorous plant.
Posted by: nerble at August 11, 2015 08:51 PM (5ih4P)
I don't do this for weight loss.
We do it to maintain, but also to feel good.
I'm high after exercising. I'm not hard core (I was when I was younger, because I was on just about every sports team I could find; same for husband), but I do something every day, even if it is a 45 minute walk. Light weights 3 days a week, recumbent, elliptical, walking, etc, the other days, but not enough to make me sick of it. We quit our softball and volleyball teams a few years ago, and just haven't picked up team sports again. But you didn't even think about what you were eating when engaged in sports like this.
Posted by: nerble at August 11, 2015 08:51 PM (5ih4P)
I don't do this for weight loss.
We do it to maintain, but also to feel good.
I'm high after exercising. I'm not hard core (I was when I was younger, because I was on just about every sports team I could find; same for husband), but I do something every day, even if it is a 45 minute walk. Light weights 3 days a week, recumbent, elliptical, walking, etc, the other days, but not enough to make me sick of it. We quit our softball and volleyball teams a few years ago, and just haven't picked up team sports again. But you didn't even think about what you were eating when engaged in sports like this.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 11, 2015 08:55 PM (qCMvj)
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I can attest that moderate fasting can help one lose weight. It seems to act as a sort of kickstarter. The trick is, you have to see it through the first couple of days to overcome the three-square-and-snacks routine.
I really need to try this again. The times I was successful, I was feeling ill and had no desire to eat much, and just sort of carried it over when I recovered.
I really need to try this again. The times I was successful, I was feeling ill and had no desire to eat much, and just sort of carried it over when I recovered.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 11, 2015 08:55 PM (jR7Wy)
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Willowed comments: (Damn it! Read them!....please)
I seriously doubt that Hillary will face prosecution.
The republic is dead. The Rule of Law is dead, until resurrected at a later date.
Defend yourself at all times.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at August 11, 2015 08:46 PM (1ijHg)
667
O/T
On the subject of raking people over coals, how about the EPA?
Fire every last one of them.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at August 11, 2015 08:47 PM (1ijHg)
668
One of Lincoln's biggest fuck-ups was leaving McClellan in command so effing long.
I seriously doubt that Hillary will face prosecution.
The republic is dead. The Rule of Law is dead, until resurrected at a later date.
Defend yourself at all times.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at August 11, 2015 08:46 PM (1ijHg)
667
O/T
On the subject of raking people over coals, how about the EPA?
Fire every last one of them.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at August 11, 2015 08:47 PM (1ijHg)
668
One of Lincoln's biggest fuck-ups was leaving McClellan in command so effing long.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at August 11, 2015 08:55 PM (1ijHg)
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anyone do that one-minute egg thing, where it's still wet?
I might want to start doing that.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 08:53 PM (dciA+)
Wait...what? How does that work?
I might want to start doing that.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 08:53 PM (dciA+)
Wait...what? How does that work?
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Lion Lives Matter at August 11, 2015 08:55 PM (GEICT)
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The only time I usually ever eat breakfast is when I drive by McD's at the appropriate time (thinking of you Weirddave).
Breakfast is just something I've never really done. And I'm well within the ideal body weight and shape for someone 20 years younger than I am.
Breakfast is just something I've never really done. And I'm well within the ideal body weight and shape for someone 20 years younger than I am.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 11, 2015 08:56 PM (xSCb6)
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>>>I agree and disagree with this. Every time in my life that I've exercised, I've become a black hole of eating. Like, if it's not nailed down, it's going in my face. I know most people luff exercise as a form of weight loss, but I just become a giant carnivorous plant.
i was exercising a lot earlier in the year but losing no weight.
I saw a guy talking about that. He said people "jog a couple of miles, then eat like they ran a marathon."
That's what I was doing. I was having a Hero's Feast, like f***ing Conan the Barbarian, every time I hit the gym, telling myself I had to get all that protein (and calories) to gain mass.
Well, I didn't get fatter, but I also didn't lose weight.
This is something that has to be watched -- yes, you need *some* more calories when you exercise, but not many. Most exercise sessions only consume 200-300 or maybe 400 at most additional calories.
That's like three pieces of bread!
i was exercising a lot earlier in the year but losing no weight.
I saw a guy talking about that. He said people "jog a couple of miles, then eat like they ran a marathon."
That's what I was doing. I was having a Hero's Feast, like f***ing Conan the Barbarian, every time I hit the gym, telling myself I had to get all that protein (and calories) to gain mass.
Well, I didn't get fatter, but I also didn't lose weight.
This is something that has to be watched -- yes, you need *some* more calories when you exercise, but not many. Most exercise sessions only consume 200-300 or maybe 400 at most additional calories.
That's like three pieces of bread!
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 08:56 PM (dciA+)
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"There are few things in life, when you're in a hurry and hungry, better than a hardboiled egg. If I've got a minute, I hit that sucker with some salt and pepper."
I like my plain, and everyone goes "EWWWW!" I can't put anything on them. Unless they are Deviled Eggs, but that's for parties...
I like my plain, and everyone goes "EWWWW!" I can't put anything on them. Unless they are Deviled Eggs, but that's for parties...
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 11, 2015 08:56 PM (qCMvj)
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Now Cochran, on the other hand, is a fatass.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 11, 2015 08:57 PM (xSCb6)
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"Why are all these bad things happening to our good government?"
"Trick question. There is NO good government."
"Trick question. There is NO good government."
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at August 11, 2015 08:57 PM (1ijHg)
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I agree and disagree with this. Every time in my life that I've exercised, I've become a black hole of eating. Like, if it's not nailed down, it's going in my face. I know most people luff exercise as a form of weight loss, but I just become a giant carnivorous plant.
When I get on a weight lifting kick ... I'm like that. After I exert all that energy - it's a craving unlike anything else I've ever experienced.
When I get on a weight lifting kick ... I'm like that. After I exert all that energy - it's a craving unlike anything else I've ever experienced.
Posted by: YouKnowWho at August 11, 2015 08:57 PM (rT51E)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 11, 2015 08:57 PM (jR7Wy)
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>>>Wait...what? How does that work?
i don't know, rich people do it. they have an egg timer, and a little egg cup, and they tap off the top of the egg, then stick in a little egg spoon and spoon out the semi-congealed hot, but not hard-boiled, eggstuff.
No idea how it is. Looks runny.
looks salmonella-ish too.
i don't know, rich people do it. they have an egg timer, and a little egg cup, and they tap off the top of the egg, then stick in a little egg spoon and spoon out the semi-congealed hot, but not hard-boiled, eggstuff.
No idea how it is. Looks runny.
looks salmonella-ish too.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 08:57 PM (dciA+)
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Newsflash. US government lies about shit, hurts people with no regrets. Film at 11.
Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at August 11, 2015 08:57 PM (3L7fF)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at August 11, 2015 08:58 PM (1ijHg)
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Flaming stomach.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 11, 2015 08:58 PM (W5DcG)
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103 Now Cochran, on the other hand, is a fatass.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 11, 2015 08:57 PM (xSCb6)
Let's see...I'm a little out of practice...how does this go...?
Ah yes.
GFY. But first....you will blow me.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 11, 2015 08:57 PM (xSCb6)
Let's see...I'm a little out of practice...how does this go...?
Ah yes.
GFY. But first....you will blow me.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Lion Lives Matter at August 11, 2015 08:58 PM (GEICT)
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i don't know, rich people do it. they have an egg timer, and a little egg cup, and they tap off the top of the egg, then stick in a little egg spoon and spoon out the semi-congealed hot, but not hard-boiled, eggstuff.
No idea how it is. Looks runny.
looks salmonella-ish too.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 08:57 PM (dciA+)
Well that would certainly get me to lose weight. Nothing starts the day off like a good puking.
No idea how it is. Looks runny.
looks salmonella-ish too.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 08:57 PM (dciA+)
Well that would certainly get me to lose weight. Nothing starts the day off like a good puking.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Lion Lives Matter at August 11, 2015 08:59 PM (GEICT)
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I can't get through a day on the oars without a couple of eggs, some sausage and some cheese. I am ready to pass out by 10 if I don't eat breakfast.
Posted by: Garrett at August 11, 2015 08:59 PM (AaiVs)
Posted by: Mitch McConnell at August 11, 2015 08:59 PM (UYT64)
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I have to admit I took the "easy" way out, with gastric sleeve surgery in Dec. 2014, in Nicaragua (good docs, costs much less if self-pay, wife's Nica).
It was the best thing I have done for myself since getting married.
Went from 245 lbs to 206 and can run up to 10 miles at a time, working weights. Planked 5.00 minutes recently. I am NOT a fitness f'er, so if an average guy like me can do it, well, just sayin' . ..
The surgery was pretty damn easy--walking within 2 days, virtually no pain. Getting back to fairly normal food was pretty easy, just a lot less of it and less steak/chewy things.
It was the best thing I have done for myself since getting married.
Went from 245 lbs to 206 and can run up to 10 miles at a time, working weights. Planked 5.00 minutes recently. I am NOT a fitness f'er, so if an average guy like me can do it, well, just sayin' . ..
The surgery was pretty damn easy--walking within 2 days, virtually no pain. Getting back to fairly normal food was pretty easy, just a lot less of it and less steak/chewy things.
Posted by: hmitchell3rd at August 11, 2015 09:00 PM (ZW1SS)
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That's like three pieces of bread!
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 08:56 PM (dciA+)
if you're doing weights, you are building muscle too, so the weight loss might not be obvious right away (this happens to my hubby, not me, he tones up, but doesn't drop weight, yet his clothes get baggy)
I stick with about 1700 calories to 2000 to maintain my weight. I don't really have to think too hard, I don't eat processed foods (the kind with chemical injections), just real food.
If I wanted to lose weight, I would go down to 1500 calories or so.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 08:56 PM (dciA+)
if you're doing weights, you are building muscle too, so the weight loss might not be obvious right away (this happens to my hubby, not me, he tones up, but doesn't drop weight, yet his clothes get baggy)
I stick with about 1700 calories to 2000 to maintain my weight. I don't really have to think too hard, I don't eat processed foods (the kind with chemical injections), just real food.
If I wanted to lose weight, I would go down to 1500 calories or so.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 11, 2015 09:00 PM (qCMvj)
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Before reading the comments - how does Intermittent Fasting work for people with blood sugar issues? Doesn't going hungry do bad things for insulin levels?
Posted by: @votermom at August 11, 2015 09:01 PM (QKjWe)
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>> This is something that has to be watched -- yes, you need *some* more calories when you exercise, but not many. Most exercise sessions only consume 200-300 or maybe 400 at most additional calories.
No, not like, oh, I can reward myself. Like, I'm going to die if I don't keep eating. If you haven't eaten all day and go into your favorite restaurant and all the amazing smells and you just want to shove someone aside and steal their food? That type of hunger.
Also, I think you're talking about a soft boiled egg. My grandfather ate them all the time.
No, not like, oh, I can reward myself. Like, I'm going to die if I don't keep eating. If you haven't eaten all day and go into your favorite restaurant and all the amazing smells and you just want to shove someone aside and steal their food? That type of hunger.
Also, I think you're talking about a soft boiled egg. My grandfather ate them all the time.
Posted by: nerble at August 11, 2015 09:01 PM (5ih4P)
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>>>if you're doing weights, you are building muscle too, so the weight loss might not be obvious right away (this happens to my hubby, not me, he tones up, but doesn't drop weight, yet his clothes get baggy)
eh i had some muscle building but i wasn't losing a lot of fat.
definitely you do have to eat more, just not as much more as your body might be telling you.
eh i had some muscle building but i wasn't losing a lot of fat.
definitely you do have to eat more, just not as much more as your body might be telling you.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 09:01 PM (dciA+)
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Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at August 11, 2015 08:55 PM (1ijHg)
TWEET!
We have two penalties on the comment.
Off-topic comment before post #100.
And Off-topic comment on subject specifically requested to go in previous post.
Offsetting fouls, re-play the comment.
TWEET!
We have two penalties on the comment.
Off-topic comment before post #100.
And Off-topic comment on subject specifically requested to go in previous post.
Offsetting fouls, re-play the comment.
Posted by: AoSHQ Head Referee at August 11, 2015 09:02 PM (JvPqF)
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But what about second breakfast?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 11, 2015 09:02 PM (rwI+c)
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i don't know, rich people do it. they have an egg timer, and a little egg cup, and they tap off the top of the egg, then stick in a little egg spoon and spoon out the semi-congealed hot, but not hard-boiled, eggstuff.
No idea how it is. Looks runny.
looks salmonella-ish too.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 08:57 PM (dciA+)
lol, I have the little dishes just for those little soft boiled eggs!
I'm not "rich"
No idea how it is. Looks runny.
looks salmonella-ish too.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 08:57 PM (dciA+)
lol, I have the little dishes just for those little soft boiled eggs!
I'm not "rich"
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 11, 2015 09:02 PM (qCMvj)
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>>>have you had your T levels checked?
yeah... unfortunately, they are normal but on the low-ish side.
Not low enough to get some HGH and MAKE SOME GAINZZZ!!!
yeah... unfortunately, they are normal but on the low-ish side.
Not low enough to get some HGH and MAKE SOME GAINZZZ!!!
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 09:03 PM (dciA+)
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Blue Bell is back!
Oh hail yes! I was in teh evil Walmart today and there was a huge section of empty shelves on the ice cream isle. Wanted to believe they were making room for Blue Bell but was scared to even think it.
BTW, Walmart is Venezuela. Last time I was there they were out of eggs. Today they were out of milk. WTF? Is this East Germany?
Oh hail yes! I was in teh evil Walmart today and there was a huge section of empty shelves on the ice cream isle. Wanted to believe they were making room for Blue Bell but was scared to even think it.
BTW, Walmart is Venezuela. Last time I was there they were out of eggs. Today they were out of milk. WTF? Is this East Germany?
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at August 11, 2015 09:03 PM (ktt8p)
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>>lol, I have the little dishes just for those little soft boiled eggs!
I'm not "rich"
...
i only see like Maggie Smith being served them
I'm not "rich"
...
i only see like Maggie Smith being served them
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 09:03 PM (dciA+)
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votermom - Do you have low or high blood sugar issues?
YouKnowWho - exactly what I'm talking about. there is not enough food in the world to sate your hunger.
YouKnowWho - exactly what I'm talking about. there is not enough food in the world to sate your hunger.
Posted by: nerble at August 11, 2015 09:03 PM (5ih4P)
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From the link w/in the link:
He found five, including a variety of different breakfasts, and none offered clear evidence that skipping breakfast leads to weight gain. (The New York research was funded by Quaker Oats, a unit of Pepsi Co, though the results could hardly have been what the breakfast food company would have hoped for.) Mostly, it seemed, skipping breakfast made no difference. A sixth study, published this month in Obesity, also showed no differences in weight loss between those who ate a breakfast and those who skipped, though subjects who had a high-protein breakfast gained less body fat.)
He found five, including a variety of different breakfasts, and none offered clear evidence that skipping breakfast leads to weight gain. (The New York research was funded by Quaker Oats, a unit of Pepsi Co, though the results could hardly have been what the breakfast food company would have hoped for.) Mostly, it seemed, skipping breakfast made no difference. A sixth study, published this month in Obesity, also showed no differences in weight loss between those who ate a breakfast and those who skipped, though subjects who had a high-protein breakfast gained less body fat.)
Posted by: Y-not at August 11, 2015 09:04 PM (RWGcK)
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I stick with about 1700 calories to 2000 to maintain my weight. I don't really have to think too hard, I don't eat processed foods (the kind with chemical injections), just real food.
You know ... Whole Foods is a big thing for me. Not the store - just whole foods. And staying the hell away from any fast food.
Bread is a pain in the ass. I can eat a potato - but a piece of bread just kills me anymore.
You know ... Whole Foods is a big thing for me. Not the store - just whole foods. And staying the hell away from any fast food.
Bread is a pain in the ass. I can eat a potato - but a piece of bread just kills me anymore.
Posted by: YouKnowWho at August 11, 2015 09:04 PM (rT51E)
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117 Before reading the comments - how does Intermittent Fasting work for people with blood sugar issues? Doesn't going hungry do bad things for insulin levels?
Posted by: @votermom at August 11, 2015 09:01 PM (QKjWe)
Yes. It does.
Posted by: @votermom at August 11, 2015 09:01 PM (QKjWe)
Yes. It does.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Lion Lives Matter at August 11, 2015 09:04 PM (GEICT)
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I explain my svelte figure to eating only during waking hours and 50% of sleeping hours.
I explain my hypocrisy by limiting it to 48 hours out of every 24.
I explain my hypocrisy by limiting it to 48 hours out of every 24.
Posted by: Michael Moore at August 11, 2015 09:04 PM (1CroS)
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"if you're doing weights, you are building muscle too, so the weight loss might not be obvious right away"
Remember also that a particular volume of muscle masses more than does the same particular volume of fat. Thus the scale paradox. People lose fat and expect that their "weight will go down", but not necessarily if they've also been adding muscle.
Remember also that a particular volume of muscle masses more than does the same particular volume of fat. Thus the scale paradox. People lose fat and expect that their "weight will go down", but not necessarily if they've also been adding muscle.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 11, 2015 09:04 PM (noWW6)
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and Elevenses?
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 11, 2015 09:05 PM (rwI+c)
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yeah... unfortunately, they are normal but on the low-ish side.
Not low enough to get some HGH and MAKE SOME GAINZZZ!!!
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 09:03 PM (dciA+)
I had one doc put me on testosterone. Her office staff pissed me off royally as being incompetent fools, so I switched doctors. Doctor #2 took me off testosterone completely, said the whole T thing was way, way, way overhyped.
I'm now low-normal for my age group without T supplementation.
For what it's worth.
Not low enough to get some HGH and MAKE SOME GAINZZZ!!!
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 09:03 PM (dciA+)
I had one doc put me on testosterone. Her office staff pissed me off royally as being incompetent fools, so I switched doctors. Doctor #2 took me off testosterone completely, said the whole T thing was way, way, way overhyped.
I'm now low-normal for my age group without T supplementation.
For what it's worth.
Posted by: filbert at August 11, 2015 09:05 PM (JvPqF)
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If you are diabetic, you need some protein in the morning to even out blood sugars, not get hungry. I am T1.
Posted by: hmitchell3rd at August 11, 2015 09:05 PM (ZW1SS)
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One sneaky way to get in shape is to start hiking, up mountains if you can.
Awhile back I noticed the maps of obesity rates kind of look like topography maps. About the same time I noticed it's fun to plot "obesity rate" and "smoking rate" on the same Y axis with the year as the X.
Awhile back I noticed the maps of obesity rates kind of look like topography maps. About the same time I noticed it's fun to plot "obesity rate" and "smoking rate" on the same Y axis with the year as the X.
Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at August 11, 2015 09:05 PM (rHXGG)
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>>>I had one doc put me on testosterone. Her office staff pissed me off royally as being incompetent fools, so I switched doctors. Doctor #2 took me off testosterone completely, said the whole T thing was way, way, way overhyped.
I'm now low-normal for my age group without T supplementation.
For what it's worth.
...
i've heard that the artificial stuff dampens your ability to produce it naturally anyway.
so... I think i just have to start doing MORE SQUATS so I can MAKE SOME GAINZZZZ!
(this is how the hodge twins talk)
I'm now low-normal for my age group without T supplementation.
For what it's worth.
...
i've heard that the artificial stuff dampens your ability to produce it naturally anyway.
so... I think i just have to start doing MORE SQUATS so I can MAKE SOME GAINZZZZ!
(this is how the hodge twins talk)
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 09:06 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 11, 2015 09:06 PM (qCMvj)
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Not low enough to get some HGH and MAKE SOME GAINZZZ!!!
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 09:03 PM (dciA+)
Lol. My dad had to do testosterone injection about 2 years ago because his levels were dangerously low.
It brought the levels back up, but he had to stop because of the side effects. Hair falling out on his head, acne, increased aggressiveness and irritability.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 09:03 PM (dciA+)
Lol. My dad had to do testosterone injection about 2 years ago because his levels were dangerously low.
It brought the levels back up, but he had to stop because of the side effects. Hair falling out on his head, acne, increased aggressiveness and irritability.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Lion Lives Matter at August 11, 2015 09:06 PM (GEICT)
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1. So much for the allegation in the sidebar about corporate sponsored research.
Also this is the study that's supposed to change my mind"
At 8:30 in the morning for four weeks, one group of subjects got oatmeal, another got frosted corn flakes and a third got nothing. And the only group to lose weight was ... the group that skipped breakfast. Other trials, too, have similarly contradicted the federal advice, showing that skipping breakfast led to lower weight or no change at all.
"In overweight individuals, skipping breakfast daily for 4 weeks leads to a reduction in body weight," the researchers from Columbia University concluded in a paper published last year.
---
Four week study.
Both breakfasts were carb based.
No indication of where the study was published.
Also this is the study that's supposed to change my mind"
At 8:30 in the morning for four weeks, one group of subjects got oatmeal, another got frosted corn flakes and a third got nothing. And the only group to lose weight was ... the group that skipped breakfast. Other trials, too, have similarly contradicted the federal advice, showing that skipping breakfast led to lower weight or no change at all.
"In overweight individuals, skipping breakfast daily for 4 weeks leads to a reduction in body weight," the researchers from Columbia University concluded in a paper published last year.
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Four week study.
Both breakfasts were carb based.
No indication of where the study was published.
Posted by: Y-not at August 11, 2015 09:06 PM (RWGcK)
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I had the last three posts on the previous thread. Someone said "Food" and I thought that most of us would stay there.
Sorry.
But not really.
Sorry.
But not really.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at August 11, 2015 09:06 PM (1ijHg)
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FWIW ... I ate a small dinner salad ... just ordered Beer #4 at the Hotel Bar ... AND I FEEL GREAT !!!
Posted by: YouKnowWho at August 11, 2015 09:07 PM (rT51E)
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Bona notti, artisanal 'ette!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 11, 2015 09:07 PM (jR7Wy)
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I've been saying for years that breakfast is the meal that makes you fat, recommendations be damned. There's a simple logic to it all, really. Think of what we generally eat for breakfast. There's all kinds of high-calorie things like gravy, eggs, cheese, and fatty meats. And to add insult to injury, it doesn't stay with you like other meals do. A couple hours later, you're hungry again. If you just have a plain bagel, you get the same effect for a lot less calories. If you get in the habit of not eating in the morning, you can eat a somewhat bigger lunch and still save on calories. Either way, you're better off.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at August 11, 2015 09:07 PM (HalrA)
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"yeah... unfortunately, they are normal but on the low-ish side."
Endocrinology should not be practiced by reference to statistical population "norms". Individuals' hormone levels and responses vary widely.
Endocrinology should not be practiced by reference to statistical population "norms". Individuals' hormone levels and responses vary widely.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 11, 2015 09:08 PM (noWW6)
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Knowing and doing are two different things.
I read "The South Beach Diet" over 10 years ago. Lost about 40 pounds.
That love of homemade Macaroni and Cheese just cannot be extinguished.
I read "The South Beach Diet" over 10 years ago. Lost about 40 pounds.
That love of homemade Macaroni and Cheese just cannot be extinguished.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at August 11, 2015 09:08 PM (1ijHg)
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>>>our week study.
Both breakfasts were carb based.
No indication of where the study was published.
...
actually it was done by one of the cereal companies, general mills or quaker oats or someone, so they were looking for proof that you needed breakfast -- their type of breakfast, specifically.
Both breakfasts were carb based.
No indication of where the study was published.
...
actually it was done by one of the cereal companies, general mills or quaker oats or someone, so they were looking for proof that you needed breakfast -- their type of breakfast, specifically.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 09:08 PM (dciA+)
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Hell, I let my doc talk me into talking Testosterone shots. Mine was really low (it was actually likely do to various other drugs I'm having to take), around 225, and I qualified for "medically necessary" T treatment.
I hate to got TMI, but hell, I didn't really notice anything, could still work a decent uh, turgidity reaction. But I started taking the shots.
About 2-3 days after each "hit", I get horny as holy hell. I could give you more information, but I won't subject ya'll to that.
Actually, really, there's some side effects (stomach cramps a few days before I'm due for the next shot, likely due to T levels crashing back down -- sort of hormone roller coaster effect).
I hate to got TMI, but hell, I didn't really notice anything, could still work a decent uh, turgidity reaction. But I started taking the shots.
About 2-3 days after each "hit", I get horny as holy hell. I could give you more information, but I won't subject ya'll to that.
Actually, really, there's some side effects (stomach cramps a few days before I'm due for the next shot, likely due to T levels crashing back down -- sort of hormone roller coaster effect).
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 11, 2015 09:08 PM (dvuhZ)
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ace: I don't know if lifting counts.
A few heavy weights. No.
Lighter with repetition. Oh yeah. It's the aerobics of it all. The object is to move heavy energy users a lot. That would be muscle and heart. Just walking is good because it moves your largest muscles. Lots of mitochondria in those.
A few heavy weights. No.
Lighter with repetition. Oh yeah. It's the aerobics of it all. The object is to move heavy energy users a lot. That would be muscle and heart. Just walking is good because it moves your largest muscles. Lots of mitochondria in those.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 11, 2015 09:09 PM (1CroS)
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i only see like Maggie Smith being served them
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 09:03 PM (dciA+)
probably more a British thing...
dormi bene
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 09:03 PM (dciA+)
probably more a British thing...
dormi bene
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 11, 2015 09:09 PM (qCMvj)
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That love of homemade Macaroni and Cheese just cannot be extinguished.
My Mom's Mac and Cheese reassured me that I just pissed her off earlier today - but she still loves me.
My Mom's Mac and Cheese reassured me that I just pissed her off earlier today - but she still loves me.
Posted by: YouKnowWho at August 11, 2015 09:09 PM (rT51E)
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Signs of high T levels: are you growing a Mohawk? Is your complexion looking more and more like Rachel Dolezal's? Has your sympathy for foolish people been increasing?
Posted by: Andre Gin at August 11, 2015 09:09 PM (UYT64)
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>>>There's all kinds of high-calorie things like gravy, eggs, cheese, and fatty meats.
there's nothing wrong with eggs, cheese, or meats, fatty or not.
the problem would be the bagels, the hot cereals, the pancakes.
Look: Pancakes are, seriously, just cakes. They are maple flavored birthday cakes.
How we decided this was a breakfast food that we could eat frequently, I have no idea.
there's nothing wrong with eggs, cheese, or meats, fatty or not.
the problem would be the bagels, the hot cereals, the pancakes.
Look: Pancakes are, seriously, just cakes. They are maple flavored birthday cakes.
How we decided this was a breakfast food that we could eat frequently, I have no idea.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 09:10 PM (dciA+)
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don't get me wrong, i love pancakes and waffles
but this is a dessert, not a meal.
a delicious dessert, but still, not a meal.
but this is a dessert, not a meal.
a delicious dessert, but still, not a meal.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 09:10 PM (dciA+)
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An egg cooked at 145F for an hour is perfectly safe and incredibly delicious. Leaving some of the proteins undenatured is what makes it awesome.
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at August 11, 2015 09:11 PM (ktt8p)
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 09:11 PM (dciA+)
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Four week study.
Both breakfasts were carb based.
There was a study a year or two ago--instantly dismissable because it was sponsored by the Pork Producers, right?--that showed teens who ate a pork-based breakfast consumed fewer calories the rest of the day than teens who ate an all-carb breakfast with the same caloric count.
Bacon, man. Bacon.
Both breakfasts were carb based.
There was a study a year or two ago--instantly dismissable because it was sponsored by the Pork Producers, right?--that showed teens who ate a pork-based breakfast consumed fewer calories the rest of the day than teens who ate an all-carb breakfast with the same caloric count.
Bacon, man. Bacon.
Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at August 11, 2015 09:11 PM (rHXGG)
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You know what burns a lot of calories.....Jack in it....to a picture of Nancy Pelosi.
It's a 3 or 4 hour work out there.
It's a 3 or 4 hour work out there.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 11, 2015 09:11 PM (/HC6x)
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Sardines are key. If you're out of sardines, surströmming is a useful alternative.
Posted by: Fish is brain food! at August 11, 2015 09:12 PM (xkx0U)
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ace: "How we decided this was a breakfast food that we could eat frequently, I have no idea."
It was either that or chocolate cake.
It was either that or chocolate cake.
Posted by: The Coz at August 11, 2015 09:12 PM (1CroS)
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FBI going after Hillary is interdasting.
Obama like everyone else on planet Earth, hates Hillary.
Also diet is very important to what you eat.
Eating food is important. And also breathing.
Obama like everyone else on planet Earth, hates Hillary.
Also diet is very important to what you eat.
Eating food is important. And also breathing.
Posted by: eleven at August 11, 2015 09:12 PM (MDgS8)
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I don't think most people's bodies will go kaflooey from 16 hours of not eating.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 08:36 PM (dciA+)
I know I didn't.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 08:36 PM (dciA+)
I know I didn't.
Posted by: Euell G. at August 11, 2015 09:12 PM (Baojj)
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Look: Pancakes are, seriously, just cakes. They are maple flavored birthday cakes.
My stomach agrees.
A couple link sausages or pieces of bacon - and a scrambled egg - with some swiss or cheddar cheese in there somewhere - works just fine for me.
But pancakes, muffins, or any of the other sugary or sweet stuff doesn't work for me. I feel that shit all day.
My stomach agrees.
A couple link sausages or pieces of bacon - and a scrambled egg - with some swiss or cheddar cheese in there somewhere - works just fine for me.
But pancakes, muffins, or any of the other sugary or sweet stuff doesn't work for me. I feel that shit all day.
Posted by: YouKnowWho at August 11, 2015 09:12 PM (rT51E)
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>>134 If you are diabetic, you need some protein in the morning to even out blood sugars
Yeah, your blood sugars. Also, it's good for your skin.
Yeah, your blood sugars. Also, it's good for your skin.
Posted by: Garrett at August 11, 2015 09:12 PM (AaiVs)
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>>>One sneaky way to get in shape is to start hiking, up mountains if you can.
Posted by: Kreplach at August 11, 2015 08:41 PM (JbETL)<<<
That is not a hill to diet on!
Posted by: Kreplach at August 11, 2015 08:41 PM (JbETL)<<<
That is not a hill to diet on!
Posted by: GOP monkeys, fucking a football at August 11, 2015 09:13 PM (HpiWI)
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I'm gonna inject some liquid T into the head of my dik and score some YUUUGE gainz!!
Posted by: citizen 666 at August 11, 2015 09:13 PM (LPHFE)
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I get to work around 11 am, and have a extra large coffee with cream. Maybe I'll have a diet soda or two through the day. Around 4-6 I'll go get a pretty big meal when I'm hungry. Usually that's the only meal I'll eat. Perhaps a snack later. I've found that having a meal in the late afternoon/early evening really cuts down on hunger and calories. This is a product of my work schedule to a degree, but I'm not dieting at all; I'm just not that hungry. I am pretty skinny, but if I were to eat a lot I would gain weight (and have).
Posted by: wte9 at August 11, 2015 09:13 PM (xYr9U)
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The Medulla Oblongata knows baby.
Posted by: eleven at August 11, 2015 09:14 PM (MDgS8)
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>> Look: Pancakes are, seriously, just cakes. They are maple flavored birthday cakes.
I literally can eat 3 enormous pancakes at Cracker Barrel, feel like I'm going to die of full, and then be seriously hungry an hour later.
I eat a bowl of grape nuts, and I'm good for 8 hours, but it is basically concrete, so there's that.
I literally can eat 3 enormous pancakes at Cracker Barrel, feel like I'm going to die of full, and then be seriously hungry an hour later.
I eat a bowl of grape nuts, and I'm good for 8 hours, but it is basically concrete, so there's that.
Posted by: nerble at August 11, 2015 09:14 PM (5ih4P)
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Lunch and dinner is really all that most folks need.
Keep starch and sugar at a minimum and you will do well.
Keep starch and sugar at a minimum and you will do well.
Posted by: Bearded Spock at August 11, 2015 09:14 PM (MQEz6)
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I credit skipping breakfast in large part for the fact that I'm still on the thin side of average at 41, even though I don't exercise and I drink too much.
I think my new job (same employer, different department) will help me lose a bit more weight, because I now take my lunch break at noon like most people and thus I don't have the time anymore for a big, heavy lunch accompanied by a beer at a nice sit-down place. Probably help me save money, too, since I'm pretty much limited to fast-casual dining options now.
I think my new job (same employer, different department) will help me lose a bit more weight, because I now take my lunch break at noon like most people and thus I don't have the time anymore for a big, heavy lunch accompanied by a beer at a nice sit-down place. Probably help me save money, too, since I'm pretty much limited to fast-casual dining options now.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at August 11, 2015 09:15 PM (wKc1L)
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117 Before reading the comments - how does Intermittent Fasting work for people with blood sugar issues? Doesn't going hungry do bad things for insulin levels?
Posted by: @votermom at August 11, 2015 09:01 PM (QKjWe)
The 5:2 has helped me stabilize my blood sugar levels greatly. One of the best tips I learned from a forum entry was to sip on green tea throughout the day (I sip unsweetened brewed green ice tea) There's something in the green tea that regulates your blood sugar levels. I was amazed at what I used to think was hunger, really wasn't hunger at all.
Posted by: @votermom at August 11, 2015 09:01 PM (QKjWe)
The 5:2 has helped me stabilize my blood sugar levels greatly. One of the best tips I learned from a forum entry was to sip on green tea throughout the day (I sip unsweetened brewed green ice tea) There's something in the green tea that regulates your blood sugar levels. I was amazed at what I used to think was hunger, really wasn't hunger at all.
Posted by: parteagirl at August 11, 2015 09:15 PM (Plx/u)
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Look: Pancakes are, seriously, just cakes. They are maple flavored birthday cakes.
How we decided this was a breakfast food that we could eat frequently, I have no idea.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 09:10 PM (dciA+)
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If you were baling hay or chopping down trees, a stack of flapjacks would be fine.
So would quaffing mass quantities of beer - liquid bread - while you worked. Midwestern Kraut farmboys do it, or used to do it.
Look: Pancakes are, seriously, just cakes. They are maple flavored birthday cakes.
How we decided this was a breakfast food that we could eat frequently, I have no idea.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 09:10 PM (dciA+)
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If you were baling hay or chopping down trees, a stack of flapjacks would be fine.
So would quaffing mass quantities of beer - liquid bread - while you worked. Midwestern Kraut farmboys do it, or used to do it.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 11, 2015 09:15 PM (jR7Wy)
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"Look: Pancakes are, seriously, just cakes. They are maple flavored birthday cakes. How we decided this was a breakfast food that we could eat frequently, I have no idea."
When people were rolling out to go do sunup to sundown unremitting hard physical labor on farms and ranches, including in freezing weather, a big stack of pancakes (plus the rest of a huge rural breakfast) got burned up metabolically with no real problem.
For those who still do that or the equivalent, it's still no problem.
Sedentary office worker population? A problem.
When people were rolling out to go do sunup to sundown unremitting hard physical labor on farms and ranches, including in freezing weather, a big stack of pancakes (plus the rest of a huge rural breakfast) got burned up metabolically with no real problem.
For those who still do that or the equivalent, it's still no problem.
Sedentary office worker population? A problem.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 11, 2015 09:15 PM (noWW6)
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If I lived anywhere near a decent bagel shop I would be 100 lbs heavier in 12 months. Simply can't not eat them.
Posted by: Garrett at August 11, 2015 09:15 PM (AaiVs)
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Alcohol once a day and then dinner.
Posted by: eleven at August 11, 2015 09:15 PM (MDgS8)
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There are people who are highly carb-sensitive (me) and people who are pretty insensitive to carbs (my wife).
She can eat a double serving of pancakes with syrup, a caramel roll, and toast for breakfast with little effect, whilst I would gain five pounds easily by consuming the exact same meal.
I'm sure genetics are involved--she's from basically southern-European stock, and I'm northern European.
One-size-fits-all diet recommendations are the dietary equivalent of believing the solar system rotates around the Earth, IMHO.
She can eat a double serving of pancakes with syrup, a caramel roll, and toast for breakfast with little effect, whilst I would gain five pounds easily by consuming the exact same meal.
I'm sure genetics are involved--she's from basically southern-European stock, and I'm northern European.
One-size-fits-all diet recommendations are the dietary equivalent of believing the solar system rotates around the Earth, IMHO.
Posted by: filbert at August 11, 2015 09:16 PM (JvPqF)
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People 150 years had to generally be more physical to survive. Chopping wood, hauling water, churning butter, milking cows, etc. I can see a time when three meals a day were needed to keep the weight. But, never grew up eating three a day and don't today. Just can't eat that much.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 11, 2015 09:16 PM (P63/A)
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73 this could be it-- I have been on a hardcore diet of virtually only protein for long periods. Maybe I have to make sure I get my cheese on.*
the thing is, i'm losing weight, but i'm usually not in good ketosis. Low levels, trace, etc.
*it's not really intentionally hardcore -- I'm just eating mostly grilled chicken lately. I don't really want much else most days. [/]
* * *
That could be your problem. Look up gluconeogensis. It explains the mystifying Dawn Syndrome that diabetics often deal with. Bottom line is, the body will turn excess protein into glucose and store it as fat...so you think you're eating well but excess protein sabotages fat loss.
The long-haul winning formula is
*low-to-very low carb
*moderate (controlled) protein,
*high fat.
Burn the fat, build with the protein, spare the carbs. Done.
Is it hard, boring and often inconvenient? Yes it is, but I'm forestalling diabetes which I know is lurking in my genes, so it's worth it.
Of those three components, fat must be the highest.
the thing is, i'm losing weight, but i'm usually not in good ketosis. Low levels, trace, etc.
*it's not really intentionally hardcore -- I'm just eating mostly grilled chicken lately. I don't really want much else most days. [/]
* * *
That could be your problem. Look up gluconeogensis. It explains the mystifying Dawn Syndrome that diabetics often deal with. Bottom line is, the body will turn excess protein into glucose and store it as fat...so you think you're eating well but excess protein sabotages fat loss.
The long-haul winning formula is
*low-to-very low carb
*moderate (controlled) protein,
*high fat.
Burn the fat, build with the protein, spare the carbs. Done.
Is it hard, boring and often inconvenient? Yes it is, but I'm forestalling diabetes which I know is lurking in my genes, so it's worth it.
Of those three components, fat must be the highest.
Posted by: Doomed at August 11, 2015 09:17 PM (bGLSw)
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Green Stinger (google it) will knock off 20 pounds. But whatever you do, don't consult a stick in the mud doctor.
Posted by: AC at August 11, 2015 09:17 PM (TzeLs)
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I literally can eat 3 enormous pancakes at Cracker Barrel, feel like I'm going to die of full, and then be seriously hungry an hour later.
Posted by: nerble at August 11, 2015 09:14 PM (5ih4P)
What, are they Chinese?
Posted by: nerble at August 11, 2015 09:14 PM (5ih4P)
What, are they Chinese?
Posted by: Bill H at August 11, 2015 09:17 PM (Baojj)
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If I lived anywhere near a really good pizza place I would be dead.
So it's probably good that Texas sucks for pizza.
So it's probably good that Texas sucks for pizza.
Posted by: eleven at August 11, 2015 09:17 PM (MDgS8)
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Crap, sorry, I'm in the barrel now. [/]
Posted by: Doomed[/] at August 11, 2015 09:17 PM (bGLSw)
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Softboiled egg - you boil the egg for exactly 3 minutes. I like it, but then I'm wierd.
Posted by: @votermom at August 11, 2015 09:18 PM (QzAEb)
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>>My Mom's Mac and Cheese reassured me that I just pissed her off earlier today - but she still loves me.
My mom's mac and cheese reassured me that she had opened a box, doesn't know how to drain pasta, that there was only skim milk in the house, and that she forgot to stir.
I figured out she didn't love me when she threw me out of the house.
My mom's mac and cheese reassured me that she had opened a box, doesn't know how to drain pasta, that there was only skim milk in the house, and that she forgot to stir.
I figured out she didn't love me when she threw me out of the house.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at August 11, 2015 09:18 PM (LWu6U)
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The best diet is just to eat Michelle's mandated school lunch for every meal.
You will starve to death......but look at all the weight you will lose.
You will starve to death......but look at all the weight you will lose.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 11, 2015 09:18 PM (/HC6x)
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>>> One of the best tips I learned from a forum entry was to sip on green tea throughout the day (I sip unsweetened brewed green ice tea) There's something in the green tea that regulates your blood sugar levels. I was amazed at what I used to think was hunger, really wasn't hunger at all.
every time i have green tea, I like it, and i feel good, but then I forget to keep drinking it. I'll go back.
>>If you were baling hay or chopping down trees, a stack of flapjacks would be fine.
right, you're right. it was fine or even necessary for serious physical labor.
every time i have green tea, I like it, and i feel good, but then I forget to keep drinking it. I'll go back.
>>If you were baling hay or chopping down trees, a stack of flapjacks would be fine.
right, you're right. it was fine or even necessary for serious physical labor.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 09:18 PM (dciA+)
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Going to the doctor is for retards.
Posted by: eleven at August 11, 2015 09:19 PM (MDgS8)
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Do you ever engage in any intense physical exercise?
Posted by: Kreplach at August 11, 2015 08:32 PM (JbETL)
Depends on your local hobo habitat. Some of them are quite spry, and make you work for it.
Do you ever engage in any intense physical exercise?
Posted by: Kreplach at August 11, 2015 08:32 PM (JbETL)
Depends on your local hobo habitat. Some of them are quite spry, and make you work for it.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 11, 2015 09:19 PM (egLDQ)
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"teens who ate a pork-based breakfast consumed fewer calories the rest of the day than teens who ate an all-carb breakfast"
Carnitas omelette.
You'll thank me later.
Carnitas omelette.
You'll thank me later.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 11, 2015 09:19 PM (noWW6)
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Do nutritionists or climatologists ever say, "to be honest, I don't know, there's not enough data"? If they spout facts and speculation with equal confidence, layman will eventually assume they're full of shit all the time.
Posted by: Michael E. Mann at August 11, 2015 09:19 PM (UYT64)
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Ultimately calories are calories. It reminds me of the story about the hooker who couldn't lose weight, no matter what she ate. Her doctor finally reminded her that protein is still caloric, if you know what I mean.
Ultimately calories are calories. It reminds me of the story about the hooker who couldn't lose weight, no matter what she ate. Her doctor finally reminded her that protein is still caloric, if you know what I mean.
Posted by: GBruno at August 11, 2015 09:19 PM (u49WF)
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I have a formula which makes thing easier:
The Government Declared X and It Turns Out They Had No Real Proof of That and Also It's Completely Wrong
For most values of x.
The Government Declared X and It Turns Out They Had No Real Proof of That and Also It's Completely Wrong
For most values of x.
Posted by: t-bird at August 11, 2015 09:20 PM (FcR7P)
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Think of what we generally eat for breakfast. There's all kinds of high-calorie things like gravy, eggs, cheese, and fatty meats. And to add insult to injury, it doesn't stay with you like other meals do. A couple hours later, you're hungry again. If you just have a plain bagel, you get the same effect for a lot less calories.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at August 11, 2015 09:07 PM (HalrA)
See my #72. My experience has been precisely the opposite.
Think of what we generally eat for breakfast. There's all kinds of high-calorie things like gravy, eggs, cheese, and fatty meats. And to add insult to injury, it doesn't stay with you like other meals do. A couple hours later, you're hungry again. If you just have a plain bagel, you get the same effect for a lot less calories.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at August 11, 2015 09:07 PM (HalrA)
See my #72. My experience has been precisely the opposite.
Posted by: rickl at August 11, 2015 09:20 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 09:20 PM (dciA+)
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My mom's mac and cheese reassured me that she had opened a box, doesn't know how to drain pasta, that there was only skim milk in the house, and that she forgot to stir.
I figured out she didn't love me when she threw me out of the house.
Well thanks ... everyone in the Marriot Hotel Bar are kind of wondering about That Guy That Snorts now.
I figured out she didn't love me when she threw me out of the house.
Well thanks ... everyone in the Marriot Hotel Bar are kind of wondering about That Guy That Snorts now.
Posted by: YouKnowWho at August 11, 2015 09:20 PM (rT51E)
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Coconut oil or butter, if nothing else. In and on everything (don't fall for the bulletproof coffee hype...heavy cream does the same thing).
Posted by: Doomed at August 11, 2015 09:22 PM (bGLSw)
Posted by: Nip sip at August 11, 2015 09:22 PM (0FSuD)
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At risk of being called a conspiracy theorist, I'm starting to wonder if the government doesn't really know what is best for us.
Posted by: Dave S. at August 11, 2015 09:23 PM (mhkbv)
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I have a formula which makes thing easier:
The Government Declared X and It Turns Out They Had No Real Proof of That and Also It's Completely Wrong
For most values of x.
Posted by: t-bird at August 11, 2015 09:20 PM (FcR7P)
A bit involved for a bumper sticker, but . . . yes.
The Government Declared X and It Turns Out They Had No Real Proof of That and Also It's Completely Wrong
For most values of x.
Posted by: t-bird at August 11, 2015 09:20 PM (FcR7P)
A bit involved for a bumper sticker, but . . . yes.
Posted by: filbert at August 11, 2015 09:23 PM (JvPqF)
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This sounds like a BS TV commercial, but I lost 49 pounds in 3 months on a high protein, low carb, low fat diet. The extra protein suppressed the hunger.
Carbs = sugar, and the excess becomes fat.
Carbs = sugar, and the excess becomes fat.
Posted by: Smilin' Jack at August 11, 2015 09:23 PM (EA+eu)
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ace, fox reporting fbi now has her server.
We're close to 200 ... I know the rules.
I though the Schumer thing was a false flag as well - but the knives seem to be coming out.
What the Hell is going on with them people ? Who has Hillary pissed off ? Is this Barry cleaning house - or a real schism in the political class ?
We're close to 200 ... I know the rules.
I though the Schumer thing was a false flag as well - but the knives seem to be coming out.
What the Hell is going on with them people ? Who has Hillary pissed off ? Is this Barry cleaning house - or a real schism in the political class ?
Posted by: YouKnowWho at August 11, 2015 09:24 PM (rT51E)
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They left the breakfast group that ate KABOOM out of the results for some reason.
Some sad,awfully depressing reason, I'm sure.
Some sad,awfully depressing reason, I'm sure.
Posted by: Terry_Jim at August 11, 2015 09:24 PM (I2xDj)
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ace, fox reporting fbi now has her server.
More popcorn
Posted by: Nip sip at August 11, 2015 09:22 PM (0FSuD)
I'd feel better if Judicial Watch had custody, but it is something of an improvement from the conditions obtaining previously.
More popcorn
Posted by: Nip sip at August 11, 2015 09:22 PM (0FSuD)
I'd feel better if Judicial Watch had custody, but it is something of an improvement from the conditions obtaining previously.
Posted by: filbert at August 11, 2015 09:24 PM (JvPqF)
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One problem with the study is that they only studied high-carb breakfasts. I've heard of a study that found that people who eat high-carb breakfasts are hungrier by lunchtime and eat more than people who eat a low-carb (higher protein and fat) breakfast. The higher protein and fat breakfast doesn't result in the sugar crash that makes you ravenous by lunchtime.
Posted by: Mindy at August 11, 2015 09:24 PM (dg8OI)
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Ultimately calories are calories.
No, sorry.
Last summer I went VERY low carb and VERY high fat. I nearly doubled my caloric intake on that account (fat is about 2x what carbs are, calorie-wise) and I lost weight.
If CICO (calorie in, calorie out) is a inviolable universal law, that should not have happened.
Nutritional ketosis is the target to see results but you don't need to live there forever, and I wouldn't want to try.
No, sorry.
Last summer I went VERY low carb and VERY high fat. I nearly doubled my caloric intake on that account (fat is about 2x what carbs are, calorie-wise) and I lost weight.
If CICO (calorie in, calorie out) is a inviolable universal law, that should not have happened.
Nutritional ketosis is the target to see results but you don't need to live there forever, and I wouldn't want to try.
Posted by: Doomed at August 11, 2015 09:24 PM (bGLSw)
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>> One-size-fits-all diet recommendations are the dietary equivalent of believing the solar system rotates around the Earth, IMHO.
There's increasing science that shows that it's genetics and stomach bacteria that determine how people process food. Warning for gross, but this woman got a fecal transplant to deal with a GI disease. After the transplant, she got fat. http://tinyurl.com/opxa4f8
There's increasing science that shows that it's genetics and stomach bacteria that determine how people process food. Warning for gross, but this woman got a fecal transplant to deal with a GI disease. After the transplant, she got fat. http://tinyurl.com/opxa4f8
Posted by: nerble at August 11, 2015 09:24 PM (5ih4P)
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To maintain my weight, I always ask an accommodating gentlemen to jump my taco two or three times weekly for a good workout.
To maintain my weight, I always ask an accommodating gentlemen to jump my taco two or three times weekly for a good workout.
Posted by: Maureen Dowd, NYT at August 11, 2015 09:25 PM (OiFtZ)
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Yes, calories are calories. The laws of thermodynamics hold. They trivially hold. Everywhere and always. But what you eat has a lot more effect on you that just calories in and out.
Put diesel fuel in your gasoline burning car. It won't run worth a shit, shit will get all messed up, and efficiency will go to hell, but the laws of thermodynamics are holding,same as when you're burning the correct fuel for that car.
Same with eating.
Put diesel fuel in your gasoline burning car. It won't run worth a shit, shit will get all messed up, and efficiency will go to hell, but the laws of thermodynamics are holding,same as when you're burning the correct fuel for that car.
Same with eating.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 11, 2015 09:25 PM (dvuhZ)
Posted by: Marlon Brando at August 11, 2015 09:26 PM (AaiVs)
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I'm a simple guy, not a deep thinker, not an M.D., not a nutritionist, or microbiologist. I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Having said all of that, my simple perspective is, if Calories In > Calories Out then Weight Gain.
Do some foods metabolize more easily than others? Probably. But that does not alter the equation.
I'm a simple guy, not a deep thinker, not an M.D., not a nutritionist, or microbiologist. I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Having said all of that, my simple perspective is, if Calories In > Calories Out then Weight Gain.
Do some foods metabolize more easily than others? Probably. But that does not alter the equation.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, Hardliner at August 11, 2015 09:26 PM (9mTYi)
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At risk of being called a conspiracy theorist, I'm starting to wonder if
the government doesn't really know what is best for us.
I know if I don't eat breakfast, I will be so hungry by 11 I will KILL ALL THE COW-ORKERS (not that they don't deserve it, but anyway), then head off to Culvers and EAT ALL THE BUTTERBURGERS WITH FRIES. Better just to have some bacon, if I was home over the weekend to make some, or stop by Chick-Fil-A for a H8 burrito.
But I'm an Unperson, so.
the government doesn't really know what is best for us.
I know if I don't eat breakfast, I will be so hungry by 11 I will KILL ALL THE COW-ORKERS (not that they don't deserve it, but anyway), then head off to Culvers and EAT ALL THE BUTTERBURGERS WITH FRIES. Better just to have some bacon, if I was home over the weekend to make some, or stop by Chick-Fil-A for a H8 burrito.
But I'm an Unperson, so.
Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at August 11, 2015 09:26 PM (rHXGG)
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There's increasing science that shows that it's genetics and stomach bacteria that determine how people process food.
Again - without getting too gross - I'm a huge believer in that.
No ... I'm a YUUUUUGE believer. And my diet will be fabulous - much better than yours.
Again - without getting too gross - I'm a huge believer in that.
No ... I'm a YUUUUUGE believer. And my diet will be fabulous - much better than yours.
Posted by: YouKnowWho at August 11, 2015 09:27 PM (rT51E)
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200
Carbs = sugar, and the excess becomes fat.
Posted by: Smilin' Jack at August 11, 2015 09:23 PM (EA+eu)
The way I heard it is that your body metabolizes fat slowly, but carbs quickly. Then you're hungry again.
So, paradoxically, eating fat doesn't make you fat. Eating carbs does.
Carbs = sugar, and the excess becomes fat.
Posted by: Smilin' Jack at August 11, 2015 09:23 PM (EA+eu)
The way I heard it is that your body metabolizes fat slowly, but carbs quickly. Then you're hungry again.
So, paradoxically, eating fat doesn't make you fat. Eating carbs does.
Posted by: rickl at August 11, 2015 09:27 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: french chefs at August 11, 2015 09:27 PM (MDgS8)
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fbi now has her server.
Does anyone really think the fbi is going to do anything with that server for the next 15 months? This is a fake out. Call it Investigation Theater.
Does anyone really think the fbi is going to do anything with that server for the next 15 months? This is a fake out. Call it Investigation Theater.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at August 11, 2015 09:28 PM (LWu6U)
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I lost 100 pounds in *one* day.
Posted by: Rachel Corrie at August 11, 2015 09:28 PM (MDgS8)
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publius: "Same with eating."
So you're saying if I can't keep my doctor, I can still go to my mechanic?
So you're saying if I can't keep my doctor, I can still go to my mechanic?
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 11, 2015 09:28 PM (1CroS)
Posted by: Julia Child at August 11, 2015 09:29 PM (9mTYi)
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Going to the doctor is for retards.
Posted by: eleven at August 11, 2015 09:19 PM (MDgS
So THAT'S what brought on my ESRD, hypertension, diabetes 2 and my congestive heart failure. Never mind that if I hadn't finally gone to see a doctor by way of the paramedics literally peeling me off the bed that I had been on for 2 weeks straight, the fluid build up in my body would have killed me by now.
Naw bro, you have it right- I'm a retard because i sought and got medical help. I went to go see- **GASP!!**- a doctor.
Have you met my dad? He's just as qualified in medicine as you are. By which I mean not at fucking all.
Posted by: eleven at August 11, 2015 09:19 PM (MDgS
So THAT'S what brought on my ESRD, hypertension, diabetes 2 and my congestive heart failure. Never mind that if I hadn't finally gone to see a doctor by way of the paramedics literally peeling me off the bed that I had been on for 2 weeks straight, the fluid build up in my body would have killed me by now.
Naw bro, you have it right- I'm a retard because i sought and got medical help. I went to go see- **GASP!!**- a doctor.
Have you met my dad? He's just as qualified in medicine as you are. By which I mean not at fucking all.
Posted by: Bill H at August 11, 2015 09:29 PM (Baojj)
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YouKnowWho - Only the classiest of fecal transfers.
Posted by: nerble at August 11, 2015 09:29 PM (5ih4P)
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Naw bro, you have it right- I'm a retard because i sought and got medical help. I went to go see- **GASP!!**- a doctor.
I would respectfully suggest that - although I don't often seek a medical opinion - you probably made the right decision.
I would respectfully suggest that - although I don't often seek a medical opinion - you probably made the right decision.
Posted by: YouKnowWho at August 11, 2015 09:30 PM (rT51E)
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Having said all of that, my simple perspective is, if Calories In > Calories Out then Weight Gain.
Depends on if a calorie source trip your insulin response, which in turn triggers fat storage. That's what was always missing form the CICO equation.
Depends on if a calorie source trip your insulin response, which in turn triggers fat storage. That's what was always missing form the CICO equation.
Posted by: Doomed at August 11, 2015 09:30 PM (bGLSw)
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There's increasing science that shows that it's genetics and stomach bacteria that determine how people process food.
It's kind of amazing how butthurt people get at the suggestion that it's not as simple as calories in = calories out.
It's kind of amazing how butthurt people get at the suggestion that it's not as simple as calories in = calories out.
Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at August 11, 2015 09:31 PM (rHXGG)
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Bill H: He's just as qualified in medicine as you are. By which I mean not at fucking all.
You do understand that this is a Smart Military Blog known for an occasional joke?
You do understand that this is a Smart Military Blog known for an occasional joke?
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 11, 2015 09:32 PM (1CroS)
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You're right Bill H -- that eleven guy sucks and I hate him.
Posted by: eleven is a douchebag at August 11, 2015 09:32 PM (MDgS8)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 11, 2015 09:32 PM (P63/A)
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The way I heard it is that your body metabolizes fat slowly, but carbs quickly. Then you're hungry again.
So, paradoxically, eating fat doesn't make you fat. Eating carbs does.
Yep, because carbs trigger insulin. Excess protein can as well. Fat will not.
Eating high fat/high carb is an express lane ticket to the boneyard.
So, paradoxically, eating fat doesn't make you fat. Eating carbs does.
Yep, because carbs trigger insulin. Excess protein can as well. Fat will not.
Eating high fat/high carb is an express lane ticket to the boneyard.
Posted by: Doomed at August 11, 2015 09:32 PM (bGLSw)
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Yes, calories are calories. The laws of thermodynamics hold. They trivially hold. Everywhere and always. But what you eat has a lot more effect on you that just calories in and out.
Put diesel fuel in your gasoline burning car. It won't run worth a shit, shit will get all messed up, and efficiency will go to hell, but the laws of thermodynamics are holding,same as when you're burning the correct fuel for that car.
Same with eating.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 11, 2015 09:25 PM (dvuhZ)
The problem with saying "calories are calories" is that it totally ignores the different biochemical pathways that are used to break down the macronutrients in the body.
The body is not an engine. There is not one pathway that the fuel takes from the tank through the fuel lines, fuel injector, piston, exhaust system.
There are LOTS of pathways. Each one acts differently, depending on a whole lot of different conditions.
Each one has a different endpoint--some end with storage of excess energy in the form of body fat, some end with excretion of excess carbs/fat/protein, some end with using the broken down food for bodily structures and functions.
Food is NOT fuel. Some of food is fuel, but it is used for a lot more than just energy. The food as fuel analogy is completely, totally wrong, mistaken, misleading, an just a bit disingenuous.
So, in short, calories are NOT calories when it comes to food and its caloric load/effect on human metabolism.
Saying it doesn't make it so. It just makes you sound silly, frankly.
Put diesel fuel in your gasoline burning car. It won't run worth a shit, shit will get all messed up, and efficiency will go to hell, but the laws of thermodynamics are holding,same as when you're burning the correct fuel for that car.
Same with eating.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 11, 2015 09:25 PM (dvuhZ)
The problem with saying "calories are calories" is that it totally ignores the different biochemical pathways that are used to break down the macronutrients in the body.
The body is not an engine. There is not one pathway that the fuel takes from the tank through the fuel lines, fuel injector, piston, exhaust system.
There are LOTS of pathways. Each one acts differently, depending on a whole lot of different conditions.
Each one has a different endpoint--some end with storage of excess energy in the form of body fat, some end with excretion of excess carbs/fat/protein, some end with using the broken down food for bodily structures and functions.
Food is NOT fuel. Some of food is fuel, but it is used for a lot more than just energy. The food as fuel analogy is completely, totally wrong, mistaken, misleading, an just a bit disingenuous.
So, in short, calories are NOT calories when it comes to food and its caloric load/effect on human metabolism.
Saying it doesn't make it so. It just makes you sound silly, frankly.
Posted by: filbert at August 11, 2015 09:33 PM (JvPqF)
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Depends on if a calorie source trip your insulin response, which in turn triggers fat storage. That's what was always missing form the CICO equation.
Posted by: Doomed
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Again..., this is just an ignorant layman's perspective. If the calories being consumed by daily activities meet or exceed the intake, then how/where is that energy going to come from?
Are you suggesting that a person might weaken and waste away even as they gain weight?
Posted by: Doomed
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Again..., this is just an ignorant layman's perspective. If the calories being consumed by daily activities meet or exceed the intake, then how/where is that energy going to come from?
Are you suggesting that a person might weaken and waste away even as they gain weight?
Posted by: Julia Child at August 11, 2015 09:33 PM (9mTYi)
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Not the store - just whole foods. And staying the hell away from any fast food.
I forget who it was, but someone said just shop around the edges of the supermarket and you'll be fine. Stay out of all the aisles.
I forget who it was, but someone said just shop around the edges of the supermarket and you'll be fine. Stay out of all the aisles.
Posted by: t-bird at August 11, 2015 09:34 PM (FcR7P)
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Nerble - honestly, my belt size goes from 32 to 38 depending on how I eat.
Not kidding.
Right now - drinking Sam Adams after a dinner salad, pretty good brisket lunch, and a Diet Coke breakfast - everything is good. BUT - if I ate a baked potato, chicken wings, or something like that right now, I would swell up to at least a 36.
It's weird.
Not kidding.
Right now - drinking Sam Adams after a dinner salad, pretty good brisket lunch, and a Diet Coke breakfast - everything is good. BUT - if I ate a baked potato, chicken wings, or something like that right now, I would swell up to at least a 36.
It's weird.
Posted by: YouKnowWho at August 11, 2015 09:34 PM (rT51E)
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>>>If you just have a plain bagel, you get the same effect for a lot less calories.
I'll bet Chuck Schumer loves him some bagels IYKWIMAITYD.
I'll bet Chuck Schumer loves him some bagels IYKWIMAITYD.
Posted by: Fareed Zakaria at August 11, 2015 09:34 PM (UYT64)
Posted by: A diabetic who did what ace said without asking his doctor at August 11, 2015 09:34 PM (Yrjee)
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Bill H: He's just as qualified in medicine as you are. By which I mean not at fucking all.
You do understand that this is a Smart Military Blog known for an occasional joke?
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 11, 2015 09:32 PM (1CroS)
Yah, I prolly should dial it back a tad. Got space in the barrel?
You do understand that this is a Smart Military Blog known for an occasional joke?
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 11, 2015 09:32 PM (1CroS)
Yah, I prolly should dial it back a tad. Got space in the barrel?
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>> It's kind of amazing how butthurt people get at the suggestion that it's not as simple as calories in = calories out.
People like to believe that overweight people are just fat and lazy, not losers of the genetic lottery. I'm the asshole that eats brownies out of a pan for breakfast with a spoon and doesn't get fat. You can't tell me that everyone's metabolism is the same.
People like to believe that overweight people are just fat and lazy, not losers of the genetic lottery. I'm the asshole that eats brownies out of a pan for breakfast with a spoon and doesn't get fat. You can't tell me that everyone's metabolism is the same.
Posted by: nerble at August 11, 2015 09:35 PM (5ih4P)
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It does still boil down to CICO, though. The trick is to figure out how to get the right balance of caloric intake into your own personal energy factory. What always works - always - is consuming less will cause weight loss. How you feel consuming less is a different story, but adjusting the mass in front of you downward will result in loss.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 11, 2015 09:36 PM (1CroS)
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Diet thread? Weird. Just read the 5 tips.
Posted by: Edmund Burke's Shade, languishing in Krazyfornia at August 11, 2015 09:36 PM (cmBvC)
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Does anyone find it ironic that the best film version of the Fantastic Four is the one that Roger Corman made that was not supposed to be released?
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 11, 2015 09:37 PM (oVJmc)
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I like Brains for breakfast with a nice Dijon. NOM NOM NOM!
Posted by: Zombie Ted Kennedy at August 11, 2015 09:37 PM (dgKBI)
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>>>Saying it doesn't make it so. It just makes you sound silly, frankly.
it's not officially a nutrition thread until someone says "Calories in calories out, pretty simple"
though I will say this: Since atkins stopped working for me, i have been calorie restricted, and guess what? I'm losing weight.
it's not officially a nutrition thread until someone says "Calories in calories out, pretty simple"
though I will say this: Since atkins stopped working for me, i have been calorie restricted, and guess what? I'm losing weight.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 09:37 PM (dciA+)
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228: filbert: you understand I was *debunking* the calories in = calories out argument? I thought that was clear. My point was the laws of physics always hold, but are not as trivial as the CICO argument makes them out to be.
That's what the car analogy was about. Run a car on the wrong fuel and shit doesn't work right. But the laws of physics are holding, same as when it's running on the right fuel.
I was making the same damn point you were.
That's what the car analogy was about. Run a car on the wrong fuel and shit doesn't work right. But the laws of physics are holding, same as when it's running on the right fuel.
I was making the same damn point you were.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 11, 2015 09:37 PM (dvuhZ)
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Calories are calories.
...if you're burning them over a Bunsen flame. What that has to do with human nutrition I have no idea.
...if you're burning them over a Bunsen flame. What that has to do with human nutrition I have no idea.
Posted by: t-bird at August 11, 2015 09:37 PM (FcR7P)
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Went to the doctor, via the emergency room last year thinking I was on day 3 of heart failure, severe chest pains for 3 days straight. They kept me all night. Said it wasn't my heart, but the next day doctor hinted that one blood test kind of indicated a bleeding ulcer. Gave me a "stool sample kit", and his card, and a prescription. Kids came and picked me up at the front door of the hospital. Got home, threw away his kit, his card, and his prescription. Bought Prilosec for 20 bucks, and several further buys when in would re-occur. Cured.
Posted by: AC at August 11, 2015 09:37 PM (TzeLs)
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well atkins didnt completely stop working for me.
it's just it is barely working, and not like it did before, when the weight fell off so fast it seemed like voodoo.
it's just it is barely working, and not like it did before, when the weight fell off so fast it seemed like voodoo.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 09:38 PM (dciA+)
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I forget who it was, but someone said just shop around the edges of the
supermarket and you'll be fine. Stay out of all the aisles.
Retailers have caught on. The edges are where they keep the ice cream and the bakery and the frozen potatoes (mmmm, crispy crowns) and the ready-made sammiches.
supermarket and you'll be fine. Stay out of all the aisles.
Retailers have caught on. The edges are where they keep the ice cream and the bakery and the frozen potatoes (mmmm, crispy crowns) and the ready-made sammiches.
Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at August 11, 2015 09:38 PM (rHXGG)
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I was making the same damn point you were.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 11, 2015 09:37 PM (dvuhZ)
A friend of mine, a long time ago, called it "violent agreement."
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 11, 2015 09:37 PM (dvuhZ)
A friend of mine, a long time ago, called it "violent agreement."
Posted by: filbert at August 11, 2015 09:38 PM (JvPqF)
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start a small farm. I'd really, really like that - just for the "something fun and active to do" part.
Posted by: YouKnowWho
If you do that you'll walk miles every day and have massive shoulders from picking stuff up and vice grip hands. But you'll still have to do something for your chest and abs, that I wasn't expecting. When you farm there is no way you could fast at all either. I try to use my tractors as much as I can but so much you have to do physically yourself if I skip on eating at all I just get bogged down.
Posted by: YouKnowWho
If you do that you'll walk miles every day and have massive shoulders from picking stuff up and vice grip hands. But you'll still have to do something for your chest and abs, that I wasn't expecting. When you farm there is no way you could fast at all either. I try to use my tractors as much as I can but so much you have to do physically yourself if I skip on eating at all I just get bogged down.
Posted by: traye at August 11, 2015 09:38 PM (U1lbW)
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It does still boil down to CICO, though.
I don't think it does. Different types of calories work differently for different people. I think.
Just my personal experience, plus honest talks with others that I know well enough to talk with.
I don't think it does. Different types of calories work differently for different people. I think.
Just my personal experience, plus honest talks with others that I know well enough to talk with.
Posted by: YouKnowWho at August 11, 2015 09:39 PM (rT51E)
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But I'm an Unperson, so.
Posted by: HR trinken trinkedn trinken at August 11, 2015 09:26 PM (rHXGG)
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Hey now, watch the Unperson thing....*points below*
Posted by: HR trinken trinkedn trinken at August 11, 2015 09:26 PM (rHXGG)
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Hey now, watch the Unperson thing....*points below*
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at August 11, 2015 09:39 PM (OLChb)
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Bill H: "Yah, I prolly should dial it back a tad. Got space in the barrel?"
No idea and I'm not getting anywhere near that thing to look. I think it's developing a gravity field.
No idea and I'm not getting anywhere near that thing to look. I think it's developing a gravity field.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 11, 2015 09:39 PM (1CroS)
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Regarding pancakes: They are actually a cheap source of nutrition. Eggs, milk, butter, flour, sugar, salt. If you are not on low-carb, and are out working on a farm, it's a pretty decent breakfast.
Posted by: cobrownell at August 11, 2015 09:39 PM (oef2I)
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Again..., this is just an ignorant layman's perspective.
Okay.
If the calories being consumed by daily activities meet or exceed the intake, then how/where is that energy going to come from?
You're asking the wrong question.
How can obese people who can NOT lose weight but are put on a fat fast type of diet - which more than makes up for the calories lost by ditching starch - still lose weight, if CICO rules?
Are you suggesting that a person might weaken and waste away even as they gain weight?
Under certain conditions, you can almost double the calories you take in but lose excess body fat, and with little or no change in energy expenditure (exercise).
CICO would say it's impossible, but it's not. Sorry.
Okay.
If the calories being consumed by daily activities meet or exceed the intake, then how/where is that energy going to come from?
You're asking the wrong question.
How can obese people who can NOT lose weight but are put on a fat fast type of diet - which more than makes up for the calories lost by ditching starch - still lose weight, if CICO rules?
Are you suggesting that a person might weaken and waste away even as they gain weight?
Under certain conditions, you can almost double the calories you take in but lose excess body fat, and with little or no change in energy expenditure (exercise).
CICO would say it's impossible, but it's not. Sorry.
Posted by: Doomed at August 11, 2015 09:39 PM (bGLSw)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 11, 2015 09:39 PM (iQIUe)
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"Diet thread?"
Its coming to everybody's realization that there is something very fishy with the beginning of the election process [Trump ,Hillary, Jeb connections]. So we can't talk about it anymore.
Its coming to everybody's realization that there is something very fishy with the beginning of the election process [Trump ,Hillary, Jeb connections]. So we can't talk about it anymore.
Posted by: Jimi at August 11, 2015 09:40 PM (dgKBI)
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In terrorism related news.
The Mississippi couple that was going to fly to Turkey and join ISIS in Syria have been denied bail.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/qaf5sgd
The Mississippi couple that was going to fly to Turkey and join ISIS in Syria have been denied bail.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/qaf5sgd
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 11, 2015 09:40 PM (5kNdv)
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Oh: I have heard women should not do this IF regimen for more than 3-4 days without 1-2 break days in between. Not sure why. Just something I've heard.
Could be bro science.
Oh 2: Obviously, anyone with hypoglycemia or diabetes should only do this in strict consultation with a doctor.
Oh 3: Ewok dietary experiences may not be directly applicable for human use.
Could be bro science.
Oh 2: Obviously, anyone with hypoglycemia or diabetes should only do this in strict consultation with a doctor.
Oh 3: Ewok dietary experiences may not be directly applicable for human use.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster1 at August 11, 2015 09:40 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 09:40 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Bearded Spock at August 11, 2015 09:41 PM (MQEz6)
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i was super-hungry tonight and i wasn't going to make it until tomorrow without eating anyway.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 09:41 PM (dciA+)
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No idea and I'm not getting anywhere near that thing to look. I think it's developing a gravity field.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 11, 2015 09:39 PM (1CroS)
Can we still say black hole?
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 11, 2015 09:39 PM (1CroS)
Can we still say black hole?
Posted by: Bill H at August 11, 2015 09:41 PM (Baojj)
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Food is fuel but it is also raw materials.
It's as if you had a self repairing car that just needed gas to repair a part.
It's as if you had a self repairing car that just needed gas to repair a part.
Posted by: @votermom at August 11, 2015 09:41 PM (Ktow3)
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The human body is a wonderful piece of machinery that attempts to keep homeostasis.
CICO is bunk.
CICO is bunk.
Posted by: HoboJerk, The State Loves You at August 11, 2015 09:42 PM (oRc1K)
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Thunderstorm is about to knock out the internet again so I'll lay out this challenge to anyone convinced CICO is the law:
If you're carting around 15-20 pounds of fat you can't shake but would like to, increase your net caloric intake of saturated fat to more than offset cutting carbs to no more than 20 g. a day.
Do that for SEVEN DAYS. Don't cave, don't cheat.
Watch what happens to your pants.
If you're carting around 15-20 pounds of fat you can't shake but would like to, increase your net caloric intake of saturated fat to more than offset cutting carbs to no more than 20 g. a day.
Do that for SEVEN DAYS. Don't cave, don't cheat.
Watch what happens to your pants.
Posted by: Doomed at August 11, 2015 09:42 PM (bGLSw)
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Can we still say black hole?
Posted by: Bill H at August 11, 2015 09:41 PM (Baojj)
No, I'm pretty sure that has been deemed to be racist.
Can we still say black hole?
Posted by: Bill H at August 11, 2015 09:41 PM (Baojj)
No, I'm pretty sure that has been deemed to be racist.
Posted by: rickl at August 11, 2015 09:42 PM (sdi6R)
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Eating food is for Sissy's. I eat Money and look at me, I'm F'n Beautiful....BOO!
Posted by: You can't trump Trump on Trump at August 11, 2015 09:43 PM (dgKBI)
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I am the dieter of all dieters. I have last and gained the same 30 pounds probably 10 times. I honestly use to find dieting fun and subconsciously think I use to put it back on for the challenge. I finally said no more. I'm 45 and shockingly have changed my eating habits and am thinner than I have ever been in my life. During the week I eat a salad with meat and cheese with a dab of ranch for lunch. Dinner is a slab of meat. Weekends I can have anything I want and trust me I go for it. I will admit I have been more active. I get up at 5 and walk my dog 2 miles then again after work. I don't feel deprived and look forward to weekends. It's turned into a lifestyle for me now and I know I won't backslide and put it back on. I don't eat breakfast unless half a mt dew counts
Posted by: Molly k. at August 11, 2015 09:43 PM (zS+qK)
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On a side note it amazes me how much I eat just goes into the toilet.
I swear half of what I eat is shit.
I swear half of what I eat is shit.
Posted by: eleven at August 11, 2015 09:43 PM (MDgS8)
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Apparently the girlfriend is one of those fanatical converts to Islam. On the Chattanooga killings she had this apparently to say -
"What makes me feel better after just watching the news is that an akhi carried out an attack against US marines in TN," she wrote. "Alhamdulillah, the numbers of supporters are growing."
Ace if you want to store something for a future post. About losing the war on Jihad or something.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/qaf5sgd
"What makes me feel better after just watching the news is that an akhi carried out an attack against US marines in TN," she wrote. "Alhamdulillah, the numbers of supporters are growing."
Ace if you want to store something for a future post. About losing the war on Jihad or something.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/qaf5sgd
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 11, 2015 09:43 PM (5kNdv)
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Stop. Eating. Usually works.
Posted by: Edmund Burke's Shade, languishing in Krazyfornia at August 11, 2015 09:44 PM (cmBvC)
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The problem with saying "calories are calories" is that it totally ignores the different biochemical pathways that are used to break down the macronutrients in the body.
I'd like to know if said people ever measure the caloric content of their poop.
I'd like to know if said people ever measure the caloric content of their poop.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster1 at August 11, 2015 09:44 PM (0NdlF)
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I maintain that the best version of The Fantastic Four is Professor Impossible from teh Venture Bros:
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 11, 2015 09:44 PM (jR7Wy)
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257 Heather -- you are a person to me.
And I'm a fan as well. Of course, that may not be something you want to put on your resume'.
And I'm a fan as well. Of course, that may not be something you want to put on your resume'.
Posted by: YouKnowWho at August 11, 2015 09:44 PM (rT51E)
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"It does still boil down to CICO, though. "
I'm a slender guy but my brother and sister both have been overweight most of their lives. I was overweight for a while as a kid but the "phase" passed for me and never came back.
I'm a slender guy but my brother and sister both have been overweight most of their lives. I was overweight for a while as a kid but the "phase" passed for me and never came back.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 11, 2015 09:44 PM (P63/A)
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Watch what happens to your pants.
*types*
*snickers*
*deletes*
*shoves bacon through the USB for eleven*
Unrelated to any of this, I just want to leave this here.
https://twitter.com/HRatAOSHQ/status/631279971441324033
*types*
*snickers*
*deletes*
*shoves bacon through the USB for eleven*
Unrelated to any of this, I just want to leave this here.
https://twitter.com/HRatAOSHQ/status/631279971441324033
Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at August 11, 2015 09:44 PM (rHXGG)
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I lost a ton of weight some years back by basically starving myself for about six months. I've kept the weight off by taking up running. No secret trick, pretty simple and boring, no ones gonna want to buy my weight loss book.
Posted by: mugiwara at August 11, 2015 09:44 PM (UFZRg)
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CICO is bunk.
Posted by: HoboJerk, The State Loves You at August 11, 2015 09:42 PM (oRc1K)
I tried googling pics of CICO but can't find any.
CICO is bunk.
Posted by: HoboJerk, The State Loves You at August 11, 2015 09:42 PM (oRc1K)
I tried googling pics of CICO but can't find any.
Posted by: some horny moron at August 11, 2015 09:45 PM (sdi6R)
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Bill H: "Can we still say black hole?"
If you have Donald Trump money, you can. Otherwise, "Racist! You must leave the island and say no more!"
If you have Donald Trump money, you can. Otherwise, "Racist! You must leave the island and say no more!"
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 11, 2015 09:45 PM (1CroS)
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i ate some cheese and olives to get some fat.
Ace, you'll be good to go soon but you may want to try tapering off a bit on the protein intake by maybe 1/3 (unless you're a weight lifting gym rat). Then you'll see that scale budge, guaranteed. And you won't have to lift a finger unless you want to.
Oh, and coconut oil FTW.
Ace, you'll be good to go soon but you may want to try tapering off a bit on the protein intake by maybe 1/3 (unless you're a weight lifting gym rat). Then you'll see that scale budge, guaranteed. And you won't have to lift a finger unless you want to.
Oh, and coconut oil FTW.
Posted by: Doomed at August 11, 2015 09:45 PM (bGLSw)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 11, 2015 09:46 PM (P63/A)
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I just had spaghetti and meat sauce from Olive Garden. I ate it after 8:00 . Probably contained some GMO product. Oh well.
Posted by: Cruzinator at August 11, 2015 09:46 PM (cJswI)
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well atkins didnt completely stop working for me.
it's just it is barely working, and not like it did before, when the weight fell off so fast it seemed like voodoo.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 09:38 PM (dciA+)
This has been my experience, as well. Maybe twenty years ago, I was closing in on 300 pounds and swore that I'd be damned if I ever weighed 300 lbs.
A doctor (a bariatician, in fact) irst time in Atkins, like magic, 40 pounds gone, poof.
Listened to the siren song of "oh, just eat anything you want, in moderation."
Yeah. Right. Moderation. Gained most (but not all) of that back.
Went back on Atkins. Lost the weight again, but it went more slowly.
Got to the point where I figured "hey, maybe I can handle that "moderation" thing again."
Nope.
After moving to a new town, I signed up with another bariatrician who does the medically-supervised packaged-protein-meal diet program, lost more weight, got down into the 220's.
Moderation time!
Up to the 250's.
Back on the protein-package-meal plan. Down into the 230's, where I've pretty much stayed for better than a year, trying (and occasionally failing) to avoid carbs but otherwise eating more or less normally.
So yeah, it's a constant battle.
it's just it is barely working, and not like it did before, when the weight fell off so fast it seemed like voodoo.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 09:38 PM (dciA+)
This has been my experience, as well. Maybe twenty years ago, I was closing in on 300 pounds and swore that I'd be damned if I ever weighed 300 lbs.
A doctor (a bariatician, in fact) irst time in Atkins, like magic, 40 pounds gone, poof.
Listened to the siren song of "oh, just eat anything you want, in moderation."
Yeah. Right. Moderation. Gained most (but not all) of that back.
Went back on Atkins. Lost the weight again, but it went more slowly.
Got to the point where I figured "hey, maybe I can handle that "moderation" thing again."
Nope.
After moving to a new town, I signed up with another bariatrician who does the medically-supervised packaged-protein-meal diet program, lost more weight, got down into the 220's.
Moderation time!
Up to the 250's.
Back on the protein-package-meal plan. Down into the 230's, where I've pretty much stayed for better than a year, trying (and occasionally failing) to avoid carbs but otherwise eating more or less normally.
So yeah, it's a constant battle.
Posted by: filbert at August 11, 2015 09:46 PM (JvPqF)
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>> well atkins didnt completely stop working for me.
it's just it is barely working, and not like it did before, when the weight fell off so fast it seemed like voodoo.
Your body is an asshole. I mean, really, everyone's. Basically, the fucker got used to the diet. Same thing happens to people that do an exercise for a long period of time. Their body gets used to it and it stops working.
That's one of the reasons that diets involve cheat days a lot - it's partially to keep people from giving up and partially to shock a body with different foods.
it's just it is barely working, and not like it did before, when the weight fell off so fast it seemed like voodoo.
Your body is an asshole. I mean, really, everyone's. Basically, the fucker got used to the diet. Same thing happens to people that do an exercise for a long period of time. Their body gets used to it and it stops working.
That's one of the reasons that diets involve cheat days a lot - it's partially to keep people from giving up and partially to shock a body with different foods.
Posted by: nerble at August 11, 2015 09:46 PM (5ih4P)
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>>>Oh, and coconut oil FTW.
well i have medium chain fat liquid, is that alright?
Haven't been using that in forever.
well i have medium chain fat liquid, is that alright?
Haven't been using that in forever.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 09:47 PM (dciA+)
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Posted by: filbert at August 11, 2015 09:47 PM (JvPqF)
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271 Stop. Eating. Usually works.
Yeah, but that's a mild form of starving yourself. The idea is to eat enjoyably and sensibly but still lose excess body fat while maintaining lean mass.
Yeah, but that's a mild form of starving yourself. The idea is to eat enjoyably and sensibly but still lose excess body fat while maintaining lean mass.
Posted by: Doomed at August 11, 2015 09:47 PM (bGLSw)
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But I'm an Unperson, so.
Posted by: HR trinken trinkedn trinken at August 11, 2015 09:26 PM (rHXGG)
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Hey now, watch the Unperson thing....*points below*
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at August 11, 2015 09:39 PM (OLChb)
Do Unpersons un-Unperson each other? Do the uns cancel out?
Posted by: HR trinken trinkedn trinken at August 11, 2015 09:26 PM (rHXGG)
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Hey now, watch the Unperson thing....*points below*
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at August 11, 2015 09:39 PM (OLChb)
Do Unpersons un-Unperson each other? Do the uns cancel out?
Posted by: ConservativeMonster1 at August 11, 2015 09:47 PM (0NdlF)
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Can you get liposuction done on cankles? Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at August 11, 2015 09:48 PM (UYT64)
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So does that make filbert a - commenth8tr?
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 11, 2015 09:48 PM (5kNdv)
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if i were to get coconut oil, in what form would I consume it, and how much?
In my coffee or something?
In my coffee or something?
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 09:48 PM (dciA+)
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292 So does that make filbert a - commenth8tr?
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 11, 2015 09:48 PM (5kNdv)
Be ashamed of yourself.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 11, 2015 09:48 PM (5kNdv)
Be ashamed of yourself.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Lion Lives Matter at August 11, 2015 09:48 PM (GEICT)
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287 Blog comment section needs an edit function. Or better commenters.
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Posted by: AC at August 11, 2015 09:49 PM (TzeLs)
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well i have medium chain fat liquid, is that alright?
Never tried bottled MCT oil because I thought coconut has that built in? Lauric acid or something...?
Never tried bottled MCT oil because I thought coconut has that built in? Lauric acid or something...?
Posted by: Doomed at August 11, 2015 09:49 PM (bGLSw)
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 11, 2015 09:49 PM (5kNdv)
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To heck with "strict consultation with a (n expensive) doctor."
I'm diabetic as heck. 6'7", got down to 225 in DKA, haven't gained more than 5 lbs. in two years. Exercise-wise, I'm a slug.
Cut. The. Carbs.
I'm diabetic as heck. 6'7", got down to 225 in DKA, haven't gained more than 5 lbs. in two years. Exercise-wise, I'm a slug.
Cut. The. Carbs.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at August 11, 2015 09:49 PM (yxw0r)
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You know ... if everything really does fall to hell ...
... keeping a lean figure in spite of an abundance of food, with minimal exertion, will probably fade as a problem.
Who knew those heavy endomorphs who gain a pound by walking past a food cart would rule the world ?
... keeping a lean figure in spite of an abundance of food, with minimal exertion, will probably fade as a problem.
Who knew those heavy endomorphs who gain a pound by walking past a food cart would rule the world ?
Posted by: YouKnowWho at August 11, 2015 09:50 PM (rT51E)
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For all you boiled people, have you had marinated eggs before?
Put a dozen eggs out to get them to room temp.
Put a pot of water with about a tsp. of baking soda in it, it helps to peel the eggs. When the water is boiling carefully put the eggs into the pot and boil for 7 minutes.
Take them out and plunge them in ice water, when they are cool enough to handle peel and place them in a shallow Tupperware so they are in one layer.
Mix up 1 tsp sugar, 3 oz. water, a few teaspoons of apple cider or rice vinegar, and a cup of soy sauce (low sodium if fine). You can add other flavoring if you'd like, I put a clove or two of minced garlic. You can ad a pinch of crushed pepper for a bit of heat. When every thing is well mixed pour over the eggs and let them marinate for at least 4 hours or more, stirring them around every so often so thye marinate evenly, depending on how salty you want them. Then remove them from the marinade and store in the fridge in a sealed container, they will keep for 3-4 weeks. You can save the marinade and use it for you next batch. I usually get about 3 batches before I make it new. Easy to grab and snack on and low carb.
Put a dozen eggs out to get them to room temp.
Put a pot of water with about a tsp. of baking soda in it, it helps to peel the eggs. When the water is boiling carefully put the eggs into the pot and boil for 7 minutes.
Take them out and plunge them in ice water, when they are cool enough to handle peel and place them in a shallow Tupperware so they are in one layer.
Mix up 1 tsp sugar, 3 oz. water, a few teaspoons of apple cider or rice vinegar, and a cup of soy sauce (low sodium if fine). You can add other flavoring if you'd like, I put a clove or two of minced garlic. You can ad a pinch of crushed pepper for a bit of heat. When every thing is well mixed pour over the eggs and let them marinate for at least 4 hours or more, stirring them around every so often so thye marinate evenly, depending on how salty you want them. Then remove them from the marinade and store in the fridge in a sealed container, they will keep for 3-4 weeks. You can save the marinade and use it for you next batch. I usually get about 3 batches before I make it new. Easy to grab and snack on and low carb.
Posted by: lindafell de Spair at August 11, 2015 09:50 PM (xVgrA)
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Calories is just a measure of the chemical potential energy available via combustion. In fact it can be measured in a device called a bomb calorimeter.
You lose weight by losing mass.
Done so via pee, poo, sweat, and breathing.
Track mass, not calories.
You can have material that possesses significant amounts of calories leave your body not by combustion.
This is where the disconnect between weight and calories originates.
You lose weight by losing mass.
Done so via pee, poo, sweat, and breathing.
Track mass, not calories.
You can have material that possesses significant amounts of calories leave your body not by combustion.
This is where the disconnect between weight and calories originates.
Posted by: Bearded Spock at August 11, 2015 09:51 PM (MQEz6)
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Will this cure a beer belly?
Posted by: freaked at August 11, 2015 09:51 PM (BO/km)
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doomed, what brand would you suggest, how much coconut oil would i have per day, and what would I do, mix it in coffee, or what?
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 09:51 PM (dciA+)
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>> if i were to get coconut oil, in what form would I consume it, and how much?
In my coffee or something?
You can get an $8 jar of organic stuff (needs to be organic because the processing takes out a lot of the good stuff) at most grocery stores. Spoonful or two a day, you can just eat it (although it's kinda gag worthy because of the richness factor). Coffee is fine, not much of a taste to it. Makes a great lotion as well, just don't use it on your face if acne prone.
In my coffee or something?
You can get an $8 jar of organic stuff (needs to be organic because the processing takes out a lot of the good stuff) at most grocery stores. Spoonful or two a day, you can just eat it (although it's kinda gag worthy because of the richness factor). Coffee is fine, not much of a taste to it. Makes a great lotion as well, just don't use it on your face if acne prone.
Posted by: nerble at August 11, 2015 09:51 PM (5ih4P)
Posted by: YouKnowWho at August 11, 2015 09:52 PM (rT51E)
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Wait -- wasn't coconut oil bad for you? And now it's healthier than canola oil?
I can't keep track of all this.
I can't keep track of all this.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 11, 2015 09:52 PM (jR7Wy)
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if i were to get coconut oil, in what form would I consume it, and how much?
In my coffee or something?
You can but it will ride on top. I take heavy cream in my coffee which helps the coc. oil mix in well. Otherwise, I fry eggs in it and put it in basically everything I cook. And I mean everything.
Lou-Ana (basic bleached coc. oil) is fine but I like the taste of coconut so I use Spectrum or Kelapo. I take a spoonful a few times a day. Love it.
Oh, my other magic bullet (may not work for you but it never fails me): steel cut oats with butter and coc. oil, plus a bit of sugar free syrup. I've tested my blood glucose response to steel cut many times and have NEVER had it trip my insulin. Test it for yourself to see but if you like oats, that's the way to go.
In my coffee or something?
You can but it will ride on top. I take heavy cream in my coffee which helps the coc. oil mix in well. Otherwise, I fry eggs in it and put it in basically everything I cook. And I mean everything.
Lou-Ana (basic bleached coc. oil) is fine but I like the taste of coconut so I use Spectrum or Kelapo. I take a spoonful a few times a day. Love it.
Oh, my other magic bullet (may not work for you but it never fails me): steel cut oats with butter and coc. oil, plus a bit of sugar free syrup. I've tested my blood glucose response to steel cut many times and have NEVER had it trip my insulin. Test it for yourself to see but if you like oats, that's the way to go.
Posted by: Doomed at August 11, 2015 09:53 PM (bGLSw)
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BTW not asking for a friend.
Posted by: freaked at August 11, 2015 09:53 PM (BO/km)
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>>>I'm diabetic as heck. 6'7", got down to 225 in DKA, haven't gained more than 5 lbs. in two years. Exercise-wise, I'm a slug.
i'd recommend the jawbone or fitbit, get those steps up, walk vigorously (near or in cardio zone) 4 times a week.
not a huge thing but easily doable and has a lot of systemic benefits.
i'd recommend the jawbone or fitbit, get those steps up, walk vigorously (near or in cardio zone) 4 times a week.
not a huge thing but easily doable and has a lot of systemic benefits.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 09:54 PM (dciA+)
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Regarding exercise and weight loss: Intense and frequent exercise is great for you, but it is not necessarily compatible with a weight loss program using a controlled diet (caloric restriction or Atkins or whatever). You may lose weight, including body fat, faster if you restrict calories and maintain a lower intensity activity such as walking 10k-14k steps/day.
Totally anecdotally, I've seen a 40-ish female ironman triathlete and recent mother who wanted to lose a fair amount of excess weight do a low calorie diet alongside an obese mother of a similar age, and the triathlete lost none of her excess body weight while the other mom lost about 5% of her body weight over 2 months.
I'm sure this is not true for everyone but I think it is plausible that high-intensity dieting should not go alongside high-intensity exercise. Your body has ways of compensating for caloric deficit, and adding stress on both ends may be counterproductive.
Totally anecdotally, I've seen a 40-ish female ironman triathlete and recent mother who wanted to lose a fair amount of excess weight do a low calorie diet alongside an obese mother of a similar age, and the triathlete lost none of her excess body weight while the other mom lost about 5% of her body weight over 2 months.
I'm sure this is not true for everyone but I think it is plausible that high-intensity dieting should not go alongside high-intensity exercise. Your body has ways of compensating for caloric deficit, and adding stress on both ends may be counterproductive.
Posted by: cobrownell at August 11, 2015 09:54 PM (oef2I)
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So does that make filbert a - commenth8tr?
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 11, 2015 09:48 PM (5kNdv)
Well, I am in the record as hating everybody, and I suspect that I'm somebody (damn that epistemology, anyway), and I am in fact commenting, so, uh, I guess . . .
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 11, 2015 09:48 PM (5kNdv)
Well, I am in the record as hating everybody, and I suspect that I'm somebody (damn that epistemology, anyway), and I am in fact commenting, so, uh, I guess . . .
Posted by: filbert at August 11, 2015 09:54 PM (JvPqF)
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Do Unpersons un-Unperson each other? Do the uns cancel out?
Posted by: ConservativeMonster1 at August 11, 2015 09:47 PM (0NdlF)
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It is never wise to cross the streams.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster1 at August 11, 2015 09:47 PM (0NdlF)
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It is never wise to cross the streams.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at August 11, 2015 09:54 PM (1eYr7)
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I can't keep track of all this.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 11, 2015 09:52 PM (jR7Wy)
1) Eat some of everything
2) Eat a lot of nothing
3) Get some exercise
There you go. A common sense, easy to understand diet.
While "what" you eat can of course be an issue, it's not most people's issue. Rather, "how much" they're eating is. That and we live a completely sedentary lifestyle now.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 11, 2015 09:52 PM (jR7Wy)
1) Eat some of everything
2) Eat a lot of nothing
3) Get some exercise
There you go. A common sense, easy to understand diet.
While "what" you eat can of course be an issue, it's not most people's issue. Rather, "how much" they're eating is. That and we live a completely sedentary lifestyle now.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Lion Lives Matter at August 11, 2015 09:55 PM (GEICT)
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(needs to be organic because the processing takes out a lot of the good stuff)
Posted by: nerble
Oh, goodie. More 'organic' nonsense.
Posted by: nerble
Oh, goodie. More 'organic' nonsense.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 11, 2015 09:55 PM (ZCFje)
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Calories in vs calories out seems to be the best idea I ever heard. Of course, you have to know your metabolism, so...
Calories in vs calories out seems to be the best idea I ever heard. Of course, you have to know your metabolism, so...
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 11, 2015 09:55 PM (ODxAs)
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If you have Donald Trump money, you can. Otherwise, "Racist! You must leave the island and say no more!"
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 11, 2015 09:45 PM (1CroS)
That's OK. My summer house on the Lake Of Fire is paid for.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 11, 2015 09:45 PM (1CroS)
That's OK. My summer house on the Lake Of Fire is paid for.
Posted by: Bill H at August 11, 2015 09:55 PM (Baojj)
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I'm of the mind that when you're craving a particular food, there's a reason for it. Your body needs something that's in that food.
It's then a good idea either to go for that particular food, or try to identify what exactly it is that your body needs and look for a "healthier" way to satisfy the craving. The latter may require some trial and error, though.
If there's a particular food you're craving, and you don't feel like you should be eating it right now... for example, chocolate cake... try thinking about the ingredients in a chocolate cake and see if anything jumps out at you. You could actually be craving chocolate, sugar, milk, flour, or eggs (or more than one of those things), and you might be able to think of a less decadent way to get those things. Even if you're just craving pretty much everything in a chocolate cake, maybe a glass of chocolate milk and a handful of crackers would do the trick for you.
It's then a good idea either to go for that particular food, or try to identify what exactly it is that your body needs and look for a "healthier" way to satisfy the craving. The latter may require some trial and error, though.
If there's a particular food you're craving, and you don't feel like you should be eating it right now... for example, chocolate cake... try thinking about the ingredients in a chocolate cake and see if anything jumps out at you. You could actually be craving chocolate, sugar, milk, flour, or eggs (or more than one of those things), and you might be able to think of a less decadent way to get those things. Even if you're just craving pretty much everything in a chocolate cake, maybe a glass of chocolate milk and a handful of crackers would do the trick for you.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at August 11, 2015 09:55 PM (wKc1L)
Posted by: Marceau the Masturbating Monkey at August 11, 2015 09:55 PM (dciA+)
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You can have material that possesses significant amounts of calories leave your body not by combustion.
I lost a few pounds when I got that norovirus but I don't recommend it.
I lost a few pounds when I got that norovirus but I don't recommend it.
Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at August 11, 2015 09:55 PM (rHXGG)
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Consider CICO a simple - the most simple - currency of energy.
If I have a mass of food, it contains some number of calories.
If I take the same food but increase its component, discreet items by an equal amount, I'm going to increase the currency available.
If I want to lose weight, I need to eat the smaller pile.
Now, I can screw with the equation in innumerable ways depending on the component parts, but any given pile larger than the other will provide fewer calories and my body will have to provide the rest if I'm burning more than the pile provides.
I'm not trying to be condescending here, but the upshot of all of this is not all that complicated. The pathways of metabolism are terribly complex; the pathway to weight loss really isn't. Calorie counting is just a convenient way to measure the size of the pile.
If I have a mass of food, it contains some number of calories.
If I take the same food but increase its component, discreet items by an equal amount, I'm going to increase the currency available.
If I want to lose weight, I need to eat the smaller pile.
Now, I can screw with the equation in innumerable ways depending on the component parts, but any given pile larger than the other will provide fewer calories and my body will have to provide the rest if I'm burning more than the pile provides.
I'm not trying to be condescending here, but the upshot of all of this is not all that complicated. The pathways of metabolism are terribly complex; the pathway to weight loss really isn't. Calorie counting is just a convenient way to measure the size of the pile.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 11, 2015 09:55 PM (1CroS)
Posted by: Doomed at August 11, 2015 09:56 PM (bGLSw)
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I used to tell my almost vegan Boss.
"The Warrior wants meat!"
meat protein takes hours for the stomach to digest.
Carbs are pretty much digested with two hours. (There are exceptions for sourdough, which Goethe wrote was hard to digest).
"The Warrior wants meat!"
meat protein takes hours for the stomach to digest.
Carbs are pretty much digested with two hours. (There are exceptions for sourdough, which Goethe wrote was hard to digest).
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at August 11, 2015 09:57 PM (1ijHg)
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Pure unrefined coconut oil is wonderful. I buy the giant tub at Sam' or Costco. I make body scrubs and balms with it. It's great for dry skin and scalps, both internally and topically.
Posted by: lindafell de Spair at August 11, 2015 09:57 PM (xVgrA)
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Under certain conditions, you can almost double the calories you take in but lose excess body fat, and with little or no change in energy expenditure (exercise).
CICO would say it's impossible, but it's not. Sorry.
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Ah. But that is the inverse of the circumstance, which is to say that certain foods do not metabolize (for a particular person) as other foods do.
That is not the same as saying that constraining caloric intake (regardless of the food) to some number less than the calories expended in daily activity will not result in weight loss.
We're dealing with simple physics here. No matter what a person eats, so long as it is nutritionally adequate, they will lose weight if the caloric outlay exceeds the caloric intake.
There's nothing mysterious about this. There just isn't.
CICO would say it's impossible, but it's not. Sorry.
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Ah. But that is the inverse of the circumstance, which is to say that certain foods do not metabolize (for a particular person) as other foods do.
That is not the same as saying that constraining caloric intake (regardless of the food) to some number less than the calories expended in daily activity will not result in weight loss.
We're dealing with simple physics here. No matter what a person eats, so long as it is nutritionally adequate, they will lose weight if the caloric outlay exceeds the caloric intake.
There's nothing mysterious about this. There just isn't.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, Hardliner at August 11, 2015 09:57 PM (9mTYi)
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I mentioned coconut oil in the last thread. I use it to make popcorn on the stovetop.
Yeah, apparently it is good again, but canola oil isn't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFJopF6WJNw
Yeah, apparently it is good again, but canola oil isn't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFJopF6WJNw
Posted by: rickl at August 11, 2015 09:57 PM (sdi6R)
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Calorie counting is just a convenient way to measure the size of the pile.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 11, 2015 09:55 PM (1CroS)
No, it's not.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 11, 2015 09:55 PM (1CroS)
No, it's not.
Posted by: filbert at August 11, 2015 09:58 PM (JvPqF)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at August 11, 2015 09:58 PM (1ijHg)
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I lost a few pounds when I got that norovirus but I don't recommend it.
Would you like to try the "Fuck Me This Garden Makes Cucumbers and Cherry Tomatoes Out the Ass" diet ? That seems to have shed about 10 for me.
Would you like to try the "Fuck Me This Garden Makes Cucumbers and Cherry Tomatoes Out the Ass" diet ? That seems to have shed about 10 for me.
Posted by: YouKnowWho at August 11, 2015 09:58 PM (rT51E)
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"1) Eat some of everything
2) Eat a lot of nothing
3) Get some exercise "
The ol' "everything in moderation" diet.
2) Eat a lot of nothing
3) Get some exercise "
The ol' "everything in moderation" diet.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 11, 2015 09:58 PM (P63/A)
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I'm not trying to be condescending here, but the upshot of all of this is not all that complicated. The pathways of metabolism are terribly complex; the pathway to weight loss really isn't. Calorie counting is just a convenient way to measure the size of the pile.
Simple is not easy.
Some habits and diets can make weight loss easier, though YMMV.
And of course, not forgetting that weight should not be confused for health, even if most of us would be healthier if we lost some weight.
Simple is not easy.
Some habits and diets can make weight loss easier, though YMMV.
And of course, not forgetting that weight should not be confused for health, even if most of us would be healthier if we lost some weight.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster1 at August 11, 2015 09:58 PM (0NdlF)
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jesus what a stupid study. oatmeal or corn flakes or nothing?? the first two are solid carbs...I'd be more impressed if it was a carb breakfast vs. eggs and BACON vs. nothing.
Posted by: Jeanne up north at August 11, 2015 09:59 PM (HKHgF)
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When you are out on a hunting/raiding party, you cannot stop to cook cereal.
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We just chew some of the horse's oats.
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We just chew some of the horse's oats.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, Hardliner at August 11, 2015 09:59 PM (9mTYi)
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The safe bet is to completely ignore what Fedzilla says because it is all wrong. Not only is it all wrong, being wrong will get you promoted. The current progressive federal government is far worse than the USSR. FAR WORSE.
We won the cold war 25 years ago but we lost it 6 years ago. IFYKWIMAIKYD.
We won the cold war 25 years ago but we lost it 6 years ago. IFYKWIMAIKYD.
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at August 11, 2015 09:59 PM (f+6Pd)
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1) Eat some of everything
2) Eat a lot of nothing
3) Get some exercise
There you go. A common sense, easy to understand diet.
I've been developing insulin issues for the past 10 years...FBG gradually creeps up every time it's tested. Dad is type II so I see the future. So for someone like me, it's not quite that simple. I wish. Do I doubt that for some, maybe for most, your formula works just fine? Not for a second. I'm just not one of them.
2) Eat a lot of nothing
3) Get some exercise
There you go. A common sense, easy to understand diet.
I've been developing insulin issues for the past 10 years...FBG gradually creeps up every time it's tested. Dad is type II so I see the future. So for someone like me, it's not quite that simple. I wish. Do I doubt that for some, maybe for most, your formula works just fine? Not for a second. I'm just not one of them.
Posted by: Doomed at August 11, 2015 10:00 PM (bGLSw)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 11, 2015 10:00 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 11, 2015 10:00 PM (5kNdv)
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3) Get some exercise "
The ol' "everything in moderation" diet.
Posted by: Ricardo
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Shit. I knew there was a catch.
The ol' "everything in moderation" diet.
Posted by: Ricardo
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Shit. I knew there was a catch.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, Hardliner at August 11, 2015 10:00 PM (9mTYi)
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All this food talk, now I'm pressure cooking some eggs for egg salad. Thanks everybody, you fucked me again.
Posted by: AC at August 11, 2015 10:00 PM (TzeLs)
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If you want MAD GAINZZ, BRO! you can always work out and eat like Brian Shaw:
https://youtu.be/4rTnh95PHws
It's amazing the amount of work he puts in to eating.
https://youtu.be/4rTnh95PHws
It's amazing the amount of work he puts in to eating.
Posted by: t-bird at August 11, 2015 10:00 PM (FcR7P)
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The ol' "everything in moderation" diet.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 11, 2015 09:58 PM (P63/A)
Yup. Just like cutting taxes, it works every time it's tried.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 11, 2015 09:58 PM (P63/A)
Yup. Just like cutting taxes, it works every time it's tried.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Lion Lives Matter at August 11, 2015 10:01 PM (GEICT)
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Speaking of coffee and cream in such, most people don't realize that creamers, powdered and liquid are about 1/2 sugar. I've mentioned this to nurses and doctors, even they're surprised. 1/2&1/2 FTW, baby!
Posted by: Bill H at August 11, 2015 10:01 PM (Baojj)
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>> Oh, goodie. More 'organic' nonsense.
In this case no. For 99.9999% of stuff, it's hokum. However, the refining ends up stripping away some of the nutrients, similar to the way you can cook nutrients out of vegetables. It's not like it's bad if it's refined, it's just not as good.
In this case no. For 99.9999% of stuff, it's hokum. However, the refining ends up stripping away some of the nutrients, similar to the way you can cook nutrients out of vegetables. It's not like it's bad if it's refined, it's just not as good.
Posted by: nerble at August 11, 2015 10:01 PM (5ih4P)
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329
The ol' "everything in moderation" diet.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 11, 2015 09:58 PM (P63/A)
Yeah, that's pretty much where I'm at. It's worked pretty good so far.
The ol' "everything in moderation" diet.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 11, 2015 09:58 PM (P63/A)
Yeah, that's pretty much where I'm at. It's worked pretty good so far.
Posted by: rickl at August 11, 2015 10:01 PM (sdi6R)
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Moderation is for tards.
Posted by: eleven at August 11, 2015 10:01 PM (MDgS8)
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When you are out on a hunting/raiding party, you cannot stop to cook cereal.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo
Hardtack doesn't need cooking.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo
Hardtack doesn't need cooking.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 11, 2015 10:02 PM (ZCFje)
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Speaking of coffee and cream in such, most people don't realize that creamers, powdered and liquid are about 1/2 sugar.
The ones at my office are soy oil and corn syrup. I bring my own shelf-stable half-and-half.
The ones at my office are soy oil and corn syrup. I bring my own shelf-stable half-and-half.
Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at August 11, 2015 10:02 PM (rHXGG)
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I'm telling you, if you like boiled eggs try my marinated egg recipe. Everyone loves them.
And Heavy cream ftw.
And Heavy cream ftw.
Posted by: lindafell de Spair at August 11, 2015 10:03 PM (xVgrA)
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Hey what happened to the original you doppelganger..
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 11, 2015 10:00 PM (5kNdv)
Counting from 0, are we?
Maybe you should be more worried that there's a ConservativeMonster2 out there.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 11, 2015 10:00 PM (5kNdv)
Counting from 0, are we?
Maybe you should be more worried that there's a ConservativeMonster2 out there.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster1 at August 11, 2015 10:03 PM (0NdlF)
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And remember with a raiding party -
1. You loot the wealth
2. Steal the livestock
3. You rape the other gender
4. You burn the place down
Remember this checklist.
1. You loot the wealth
2. Steal the livestock
3. You rape the other gender
4. You burn the place down
Remember this checklist.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 11, 2015 10:03 PM (5kNdv)
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Posted by: Doomed at August 11, 2015 10:00 PM (bGLSw)
Sure, if you get fucked up hormonally, such as diabetes or thyroid issues, then that throws a monkey wrench into things.
But even for me, a Type 1 diabetic, less quantity, diversify types of food, get off my lazy ass works pretty dang well.
Sure, if you get fucked up hormonally, such as diabetes or thyroid issues, then that throws a monkey wrench into things.
But even for me, a Type 1 diabetic, less quantity, diversify types of food, get off my lazy ass works pretty dang well.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Lion Lives Matter at August 11, 2015 10:04 PM (GEICT)
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Posted by: Bill H at August 11, 2015 10:01 PM (Baojj)
A large cup of very strong dark roast coffee.
1/2 and 1/2
a little bit of sugar.
Thus are my mornings made.
A large cup of very strong dark roast coffee.
1/2 and 1/2
a little bit of sugar.
Thus are my mornings made.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 11, 2015 10:04 PM (Zu3d9)
Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at August 11, 2015 10:04 PM (rHXGG)
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I'm telling you, if you like boiled eggs try my marinated egg recipe. Everyone loves them.
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Eating pickled eggs and drinking stout produces room-clearing results.
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Eating pickled eggs and drinking stout produces room-clearing results.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, Hardliner at August 11, 2015 10:04 PM (9mTYi)
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When you are out on a hunting/raiding party, you cannot stop to cook cereal.
That's a fair point. And when crushing your enemies, watching them driven before you, and listening to the lamentation of their women - it really isn't practical to stop, pop the top on my Tupperware, and eat a few slices of home grown cucumber.
I get it.
That's a fair point. And when crushing your enemies, watching them driven before you, and listening to the lamentation of their women - it really isn't practical to stop, pop the top on my Tupperware, and eat a few slices of home grown cucumber.
I get it.
Posted by: YouKnowWho at August 11, 2015 10:04 PM (rT51E)
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I did this for three months; lost about 35 pounds:
Breakfast- 2 hard boiled eggs.
Lunch- 5-6 ounces of smoked pork or chicken breast, or a can of tuna.
Dinner- Same as lunch.
Evening- No more than 2 beers, bourbon.
Not including the beer and booze (your body can't store alcohol calories), I was eating 800-900 calories a day.
It worked. It sucked, but it wasn't unbearable. Having a few drinks in the evening didn't exactly help, but there's no way I'd have kept up with the diet if I couldn't allow myself a few drinks before bed, as is my custom.
Breakfast- 2 hard boiled eggs.
Lunch- 5-6 ounces of smoked pork or chicken breast, or a can of tuna.
Dinner- Same as lunch.
Evening- No more than 2 beers, bourbon.
Not including the beer and booze (your body can't store alcohol calories), I was eating 800-900 calories a day.
It worked. It sucked, but it wasn't unbearable. Having a few drinks in the evening didn't exactly help, but there's no way I'd have kept up with the diet if I couldn't allow myself a few drinks before bed, as is my custom.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 11, 2015 10:05 PM (X9Mnx)
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So it's loot, steal, rape, burn, rape, and then eat?
Posted by: freaked at August 11, 2015 10:05 PM (BO/km)
357
After Robert A. Heinlein: A government paid scientist is an incompetent whore.
Posted by: TANSTAAFL23 at August 11, 2015 10:05 PM (yBCt9)
358
My secret is out. I never eat breakfast and I am pretty sure it has conditioned my body to burn fat. I eat breakfast probably less than 20 times per year.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at August 11, 2015 10:05 PM (LBZrA)
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>>>'m not trying to be condescending here, but the upshot of all of this is not all that complicated. The pathways of metabolism are terribly complex; the pathway to weight loss really isn't. Calorie counting is just a convenient way to measure the size of the pile.
i'm not trying to be condescending, but i'm going to just speculate here and put to one side all the books you've read and all the experience you've had.
But this is how it seems to me. Not trying to be condescending. Just saying that I, who have no informatio about this, know everything about it, by simplistic deductive methods, and you're all stupid for bother to read and experiment and draw conclusions based on actual experiential results.
i'm not trying to be condescending, but i'm going to just speculate here and put to one side all the books you've read and all the experience you've had.
But this is how it seems to me. Not trying to be condescending. Just saying that I, who have no informatio about this, know everything about it, by simplistic deductive methods, and you're all stupid for bother to read and experiment and draw conclusions based on actual experiential results.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 10:05 PM (dciA+)
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For 99.9999% of stuff, it's hokum. However, the refining ends up stripping away some of the nutrients, similar to the way you can cook nutrients out of vegetables. It's not like it's bad if it's refined, it's just not as good.
Posted by: nerble
Ok, but the label 'organic' is applied, in some cases by law, to mean the agricultural methods, not the refinement or processing.
It sounds awfully like saying 'organic white sugar.'
Posted by: nerble
Ok, but the label 'organic' is applied, in some cases by law, to mean the agricultural methods, not the refinement or processing.
It sounds awfully like saying 'organic white sugar.'
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 11, 2015 10:06 PM (ZCFje)
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1. You loot the wealth
2. Steal the livestock
3. You rape the other gender
4. You burn the place down
Remember this checklist.
Posted by: Anna
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Ah. The Soviet Model.
2. Steal the livestock
3. You rape the other gender
4. You burn the place down
Remember this checklist.
Posted by: Anna
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Ah. The Soviet Model.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, Hardliner at August 11, 2015 10:06 PM (9mTYi)
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it's just not a nutrition thread until someone with no experience in this goes "calories in calories out, it's all so simple"
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 10:06 PM (dciA+)
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3. You rape the other gender
Great, now a bunch of Morons are looking up the target city of the Ette raiding party.
Great, now a bunch of Morons are looking up the target city of the Ette raiding party.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster1 at August 11, 2015 10:06 PM (0NdlF)
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Would you like to try the "Fuck Me This Garden Makes Cucumbers and Cherry Tomatoes Out the Ass" diet ? That seems to have shed about 10 for me.
Posted by: YouKnowWho at August 11, 2015 09:58 PM (rT51E)
The "Imported Mexican Produce" diet?
Posted by: YouKnowWho at August 11, 2015 09:58 PM (rT51E)
The "Imported Mexican Produce" diet?
Posted by: filbert at August 11, 2015 10:06 PM (JvPqF)
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50 *falls down all exhausted and shit*
Sup Horde.
Been a while. Am I still remembered or do I have to go through the whole "noob" thing again?
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Lion Lives Matter at August 11, 2015 08:42 PM (GEICT)
Aren't you the guy with the broken asshole?
Sup Horde.
Been a while. Am I still remembered or do I have to go through the whole "noob" thing again?
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Lion Lives Matter at August 11, 2015 08:42 PM (GEICT)
Aren't you the guy with the broken asshole?
Posted by: Buzzion at August 11, 2015 10:06 PM (z/Ubi)
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CBD,
I have almost the same coffee, fresh ground dark roast, a tsp of raw sugar, and a small dollop of heavy cream.
I have almost the same coffee, fresh ground dark roast, a tsp of raw sugar, and a small dollop of heavy cream.
Posted by: lindafell de Spair at August 11, 2015 10:06 PM (xVgrA)
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BTW, I have NEVER gotten into the habit of eating breakfast, and until I stopped smoking, my weight was rock steady ate 140 lbs. for years and years.
Posted by: TANSTAAFL23 at August 11, 2015 10:07 PM (yBCt9)
368
And remember with a raiding party -
1. You loot the wealth
2. Steal the livestock
3. You rape the other gender
4. You burn the place down
Remember this checklist.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 11, 2015 10:03 PM (5kNdv)
***
The order is important. You burn first, so you can rape by a romantic fire light. Really helps set the mood.
1. You loot the wealth
2. Steal the livestock
3. You rape the other gender
4. You burn the place down
Remember this checklist.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 11, 2015 10:03 PM (5kNdv)
***
The order is important. You burn first, so you can rape by a romantic fire light. Really helps set the mood.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at August 11, 2015 10:07 PM (cygkw)
369
Moderation is for tards.
Posted by: eleven at August 11, 2015 10:01 PM (MDgS
Not gonna fall for it this time. Not gonna do it, wouldn't be prudent.
Posted by: eleven at August 11, 2015 10:01 PM (MDgS
Not gonna fall for it this time. Not gonna do it, wouldn't be prudent.
Posted by: Bill H at August 11, 2015 10:07 PM (Baojj)
370
A government paid scientist is an incompetent whore.
Posted by: TANSTAAFL23
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This is about me, isn't it?
Posted by: TANSTAAFL23
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This is about me, isn't it?
Posted by: Felisa Wolfe-Simon at August 11, 2015 10:07 PM (9mTYi)
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if i were to get coconut oil, in what form would I consume it, and how much?
In my coffee or something?
I cook stuff in it and put it in my coffee. Too coconut-y for some people, but I like it just fine.
In my coffee or something?
I cook stuff in it and put it in my coffee. Too coconut-y for some people, but I like it just fine.
Posted by: t-bird at August 11, 2015 10:07 PM (FcR7P)
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So, we're being lied to? Started in the book of Genesis. Great book, the Bible. Read it some time.
Posted by: Eromero at August 11, 2015 10:07 PM (go5uR)
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My breakfast consists of half a pot of black coffee.
Posted by: mugiwara at August 11, 2015 10:08 PM (UFZRg)
374
Aren't you the guy with the broken asshole?
Posted by: Buzzion at August 11, 2015 10:06 PM (z/Ubi)
Pretty sure that was some other guy. Yeah. Def some other guy.
Posted by: Buzzion at August 11, 2015 10:06 PM (z/Ubi)
Pretty sure that was some other guy. Yeah. Def some other guy.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Lion Lives Matter at August 11, 2015 10:08 PM (GEICT)
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340 The ol' "everything in moderation" diet.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 11, 2015 09:58 PM (P63/A)
Yup. Just like cutting taxes, it works every time it's tried.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Lion Lives Matter at August 11, 2015 10:01 PM (GEICT)
I don't know. I'd kind of like to go extreme hardcore crazy on that just to see.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 11, 2015 09:58 PM (P63/A)
Yup. Just like cutting taxes, it works every time it's tried.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Lion Lives Matter at August 11, 2015 10:01 PM (GEICT)
I don't know. I'd kind of like to go extreme hardcore crazy on that just to see.
Posted by: Buzzion at August 11, 2015 10:08 PM (z/Ubi)
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... and now, before I have to find yet another nic, I think I'll leave.
But I place the over/under at 1.5. Any takers ?
But I place the over/under at 1.5. Any takers ?
Posted by: YouKnowWho at August 11, 2015 10:08 PM (rT51E)
377
A government paid scientist is an incompetent whore.
Posted by: TANSTAAFL23
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This is about me, isn't it?
Posted by: Felisa Wolfe-Simon
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I certainly hope so.
Posted by: TANSTAAFL23
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This is about me, isn't it?
Posted by: Felisa Wolfe-Simon
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I certainly hope so.
Posted by: Dr. Steven Chu at August 11, 2015 10:08 PM (9mTYi)
378
all right doomed i will try you voodoo coconut oil, chiefly because I'm fascinated by anything tropical.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 10:08 PM (dciA+)
379
Been a while. Am I still remembered or do I have to go through the whole "noob" thing again?
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Lion Lives Matter at August 11, 2015 08:42 PM (GEICT)
Aren't you the guy with the broken asshole?
Posted by: Buzzion at August 11, 2015 10:06 PM (z/Ubi)
No, no, he's the guy who used to do a podcast.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Lion Lives Matter at August 11, 2015 08:42 PM (GEICT)
Aren't you the guy with the broken asshole?
Posted by: Buzzion at August 11, 2015 10:06 PM (z/Ubi)
No, no, he's the guy who used to do a podcast.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster1 at August 11, 2015 10:09 PM (0NdlF)
Posted by: GOPe at August 11, 2015 10:09 PM (gTlHG)
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Hammer,
They aren't pickled, you marinate for a few hours then remove them.
They aren't pickled, you marinate for a few hours then remove them.
Posted by: lindafell de Spair at August 11, 2015 10:09 PM (xVgrA)
382
359 >>>'m not trying to be condescending here, but the upshot of all of this is not all that complicated. The pathways of metabolism are terribly complex; the pathway to weight loss really isn't. Calorie counting is just a convenient way to measure the size of the pile.
i'm not trying to be condescending, but i'm going to just speculate here and put to one side all the books you've read and all the experience you've had.
But this is how it seems to me. Not trying to be condescending. Just saying that I, who have no informatio about this, know everything about it, by simplistic deductive methods, and you're all stupid for bother to read and experiment and draw conclusions based on actual experiential results.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 10:05 PM (dciA+)
Work in Climate Change and you have a nice grant application.
i'm not trying to be condescending, but i'm going to just speculate here and put to one side all the books you've read and all the experience you've had.
But this is how it seems to me. Not trying to be condescending. Just saying that I, who have no informatio about this, know everything about it, by simplistic deductive methods, and you're all stupid for bother to read and experiment and draw conclusions based on actual experiential results.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 10:05 PM (dciA+)
Work in Climate Change and you have a nice grant application.
Posted by: Bearded Spock at August 11, 2015 10:09 PM (MQEz6)
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Late to the party, and I haven't read the comments so something like this might have been mentioned, but I've been doing a fasting type thing since the end of February. Two days a week I eat 500 calories or less. The other five days I eat whatever I want whenever I want. That's it. I lost ten pounds right away... within four weeks or so. Lost another ten pounds over the course of the spring and early summer. Then I stopped losing. This is kind of what I thought would happen, actually. That eventually my body would adapt to this new caloric level. So I still do the fasting days, and I have maintained the 20 lb loss. I suppose I could, like, exercise more. I walk briskly (commuting) about 25 minutes each workday, and on Sundays I walk to church, about 15 min. Sad to say that's about it other than regular life stuff. Or I could add another low-cal day and see what happens. But I've been pretty pleased with the results. Pretty painless, all in all.
Posted by: Gem at August 11, 2015 10:09 PM (c+gwp)
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A government paid scientist is an incompetent whore.
Posted by: TANSTAAFL23
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This is about me, isn't it?
Posted by: Felisa Wolfe-Simon
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I certainly hope so.
Posted by: Dr. Steven Chu
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Me too...., hard to tell though.
Posted by: TANSTAAFL23
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This is about me, isn't it?
Posted by: Felisa Wolfe-Simon
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I certainly hope so.
Posted by: Dr. Steven Chu
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Me too...., hard to tell though.
Posted by: Kneel DeGrassy Tyson at August 11, 2015 10:09 PM (9mTYi)
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 10:10 PM (dciA+)
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357 After Robert A. Heinlein: A government paid scientist is an incompetent whore.
Posted by: TANSTAAFL23 at August 11, 2015 10:05 PM (yBCt9)
358 My secret is out. I never eat breakfast and I am pretty sure it has conditioned my body to burn fat. I eat breakfast probably less than 20 times per year.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at August 11, 2015 10:05 PM (LBZrA)
In one of Heinlein's books, didn't the main character recommend eating a big, hearty breakfast since you never know when you're going to get the opportunity to eat again? I'm thinking "Stranger in a Strange Land", but it's been a long time since I read it.
Posted by: TANSTAAFL23 at August 11, 2015 10:05 PM (yBCt9)
358 My secret is out. I never eat breakfast and I am pretty sure it has conditioned my body to burn fat. I eat breakfast probably less than 20 times per year.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at August 11, 2015 10:05 PM (LBZrA)
In one of Heinlein's books, didn't the main character recommend eating a big, hearty breakfast since you never know when you're going to get the opportunity to eat again? I'm thinking "Stranger in a Strange Land", but it's been a long time since I read it.
Posted by: rickl at August 11, 2015 10:10 PM (sdi6R)
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And remember with a raiding party -
1. You loot the wealth
2. Steal the livestock
3. You rape the other gender
4. You burn the place down
Remember this checklist.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 11, 2015 10:03 PM (5kNdv)
There are certain armies where a picture book and simpler words would be of great help.
1. You loot the wealth
2. Steal the livestock
3. You rape the other gender
4. You burn the place down
Remember this checklist.
Posted by: Anna Puma at August 11, 2015 10:03 PM (5kNdv)
There are certain armies where a picture book and simpler words would be of great help.
Posted by: Bill H at August 11, 2015 10:10 PM (Baojj)
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Popcorn. No one gains weight eating popcorn.
Posted by: Edmund Burke's shade, languishing in Krazyfornia at August 11, 2015 10:10 PM (cmBvC)
389
2. Steal the livestock
3. You rape the other gender
Hey, you only said 'rape' once. Mohammed gonna be angry...
3. You rape the other gender
Hey, you only said 'rape' once. Mohammed gonna be angry...
Posted by: Achmed Al-Baraka at August 11, 2015 10:10 PM (FcR7P)
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it's just not a nutrition thread until someone with no experience in this goes "calories in calories out, it's all so simple"
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 10:06 PM (dciA+)
Yeah, that's why I have a shelf full of diet books and biochemistry manuals that I got to see for myself if what they were saying in the diet books was BS or now.
Plus the TWO bariatricians (MD's with board certifications in the weight loss specialty of bariatrics, by the way) who both put me on low-carb diets, the first one Atkins, 20 years ago, and the other, protein meal replacements, starting about six years ago. Those guys don't know anything, I'm sure.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 10:06 PM (dciA+)
Yeah, that's why I have a shelf full of diet books and biochemistry manuals that I got to see for myself if what they were saying in the diet books was BS or now.
Plus the TWO bariatricians (MD's with board certifications in the weight loss specialty of bariatrics, by the way) who both put me on low-carb diets, the first one Atkins, 20 years ago, and the other, protein meal replacements, starting about six years ago. Those guys don't know anything, I'm sure.
Posted by: filbert at August 11, 2015 10:11 PM (JvPqF)
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Me? I had a thumb drive for breakfast.
Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at August 11, 2015 10:11 PM (Dwehj)
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Of course it is CICO. Simple?
Problem is: 1) people are pretty bad at being aware of CI, and limiting CI; and 2) measuring CO is really hard.
Number 1 is obvious, every dieter knows eating less is easier said than done. But sure, it works.
Number 2? If you exercise more how much does that increase your CO? It's not at all obvious. Your body can compensate for caloric deficit by decreasing basal metabolism in a variety of ways, and of course handle energy in different ways that often tend to increase body fat and of course scream for you to eat more.
So sure, live in a whole-room closed system metabolic chamber with a defined diet, and yes, CICO.
But for people living in the world that are not accurately measuring CI and definitely not CO, it might help to have a diet plan that tends to improve the CICO equation without the exquisite attention it could require if you treat all calories the same.
Problem is: 1) people are pretty bad at being aware of CI, and limiting CI; and 2) measuring CO is really hard.
Number 1 is obvious, every dieter knows eating less is easier said than done. But sure, it works.
Number 2? If you exercise more how much does that increase your CO? It's not at all obvious. Your body can compensate for caloric deficit by decreasing basal metabolism in a variety of ways, and of course handle energy in different ways that often tend to increase body fat and of course scream for you to eat more.
So sure, live in a whole-room closed system metabolic chamber with a defined diet, and yes, CICO.
But for people living in the world that are not accurately measuring CI and definitely not CO, it might help to have a diet plan that tends to improve the CICO equation without the exquisite attention it could require if you treat all calories the same.
Posted by: cobrownell at August 11, 2015 10:11 PM (oef2I)
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My breakfast consists of half a pot of black coffee.
Posted by: mugiwara
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Yeah. For some others, it's just a hot beverage, for me, it is life support.
Posted by: mugiwara
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Yeah. For some others, it's just a hot beverage, for me, it is life support.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, Hardliner at August 11, 2015 10:11 PM (9mTYi)
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Ah. But that is the inverse of the circumstance, which is to say that certain foods do not metabolize (for a particular person) as other foods do.
And that's precisely the point CICO advocates tend to ignore or refuse to admit is a reality, for others if not for themselves. It's almost as if they think we're lying and, bafflingly, some CICOs seem to get personally offended when we say it. I really don't get it.
That is not the same as saying that constraining caloric intake (regardless of the food) to some number less than the calories expended in daily activity will not result in weight loss.
We're dealing with simple physics here. No matter what a person eats, so long as it is nutritionally adequate, they will lose weight if the caloric outlay exceeds the caloric intake.
There's nothing mysterious about this. There just isn't.
Going out on a limb here...you don't have a history of any insulin-related issues, right? For some of us, that's the game changer, and CICO does not and cannot account for it. Sucks to be us but what is, is.
If I go back to eating SAD (Standard American Diet, the carb-heavy pyramid), I'll be fat AND diabetic within 10 years, tops. Even my doc confirms I seem to be delaying it on my current path, and that calories *in and of themselves* have nothing whatsoever to do with it.
As I said before...I have more than once upped my net caloric intake without changing expenditure (exercise) and STILL lost body fat. I'm not asking anyone to believe that but if they don't, they can take one week to test it for themselves.
And that's precisely the point CICO advocates tend to ignore or refuse to admit is a reality, for others if not for themselves. It's almost as if they think we're lying and, bafflingly, some CICOs seem to get personally offended when we say it. I really don't get it.
That is not the same as saying that constraining caloric intake (regardless of the food) to some number less than the calories expended in daily activity will not result in weight loss.
We're dealing with simple physics here. No matter what a person eats, so long as it is nutritionally adequate, they will lose weight if the caloric outlay exceeds the caloric intake.
There's nothing mysterious about this. There just isn't.
Going out on a limb here...you don't have a history of any insulin-related issues, right? For some of us, that's the game changer, and CICO does not and cannot account for it. Sucks to be us but what is, is.
If I go back to eating SAD (Standard American Diet, the carb-heavy pyramid), I'll be fat AND diabetic within 10 years, tops. Even my doc confirms I seem to be delaying it on my current path, and that calories *in and of themselves* have nothing whatsoever to do with it.
As I said before...I have more than once upped my net caloric intake without changing expenditure (exercise) and STILL lost body fat. I'm not asking anyone to believe that but if they don't, they can take one week to test it for themselves.
Posted by: Doomed at August 11, 2015 10:11 PM (bGLSw)
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>> It sounds awfully like saying 'organic white sugar.'
To give you an indication of where I stand with organic, my first response is usually, "Arsenic and hemlock are all-natural."
To give you an indication of where I stand with organic, my first response is usually, "Arsenic and hemlock are all-natural."
Posted by: nerble at August 11, 2015 10:11 PM (5ih4P)
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Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 10:05 PM (dciA+)
Some of us are smart enough to know that this is complete and total bullshit:
"The theory here is that if the body does not have a reserve of being-digested food to power itself, it must burn fat to provide you with the energy, because what other choice does it have?"
The body can burn protein and can burn glycogen for energy.
Catabolism.
Glycolysis.
Some of us are smart enough to know that this is complete and total bullshit:
"The theory here is that if the body does not have a reserve of being-digested food to power itself, it must burn fat to provide you with the energy, because what other choice does it have?"
The body can burn protein and can burn glycogen for energy.
Catabolism.
Glycolysis.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 11, 2015 10:12 PM (Zu3d9)
397
No, no, he's the guy who used to do a podcast.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster1 at August 11, 2015 10:09 PM (0NdlF)
*snort*
No shit. Annoying me to no end that we haven't been able to do one in a while.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster1 at August 11, 2015 10:09 PM (0NdlF)
*snort*
No shit. Annoying me to no end that we haven't been able to do one in a while.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Lion Lives Matter at August 11, 2015 10:12 PM (GEICT)
398
ace: "i'm not trying to be condescending, but i'm going to just speculate here and put to one side all the books you've read and all the experience you've had..."
I'm sorry you took it that way, Ace.
Before concluding, I had prefaced with some self-evident statements. I figured people would assume, "No shit, Sherlock." Just trying to head off what could have been interpreted as an insult. Maybe my sentence structure was off.
But thanks for searching for the insult anyway and insisting upon it. Congratulations.
I'm sorry you took it that way, Ace.
Before concluding, I had prefaced with some self-evident statements. I figured people would assume, "No shit, Sherlock." Just trying to head off what could have been interpreted as an insult. Maybe my sentence structure was off.
But thanks for searching for the insult anyway and insisting upon it. Congratulations.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 11, 2015 10:13 PM (1CroS)
399
And Heavy cream ftw.
Posted by: lindafell de Spair at August 11, 2015 10:03 PM (xVgrA)
I've been able to find real heavy cream (at a price and worth it). Lots of stuff is labeled "Heavy Cream", but read the ingredients and you'll be surprised!
Posted by: lindafell de Spair at August 11, 2015 10:03 PM (xVgrA)
I've been able to find real heavy cream (at a price and worth it). Lots of stuff is labeled "Heavy Cream", but read the ingredients and you'll be surprised!
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 11, 2015 10:13 PM (ftVQq)
400
all right doomed i will try you voodoo coconut oil, chiefly because I'm fascinated by anything tropical.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 10:08 PM (dciA+)
Just imagine the petite, well-formed native girls in grass-skirt bikinis feeding the coconut oil to you on the beach . . .
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 10:08 PM (dciA+)
Just imagine the petite, well-formed native girls in grass-skirt bikinis feeding the coconut oil to you on the beach . . .
Posted by: filbert at August 11, 2015 10:13 PM (JvPqF)
401
Heinlein was a moron, ne c'est pas?
I like his ideas on juvenile delinquency.
Flog the little shits. If you can't do the pain, don't do the crime.
I like his ideas on juvenile delinquency.
Flog the little shits. If you can't do the pain, don't do the crime.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at August 11, 2015 10:13 PM (1ijHg)
402
No FitBit for me. I'm tired of being tracked. Not that the NSA is all that interested in my habits, but HR (and my health coverage, which already sucks) sure is. Nope.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at August 11, 2015 10:13 PM (yxw0r)
403
1. You loot the wealth
2. Steal the livestock
3. You rape the other gender
4. You burn the place down
Remember this checklist.
Posted by: Anna
So that explains it.
All this time I thought it was:
1. Loot the women
2. Burn the wealth
3. Rape the livestock
No wonder my attempts to form a militia didn't pan out.
2. Steal the livestock
3. You rape the other gender
4. You burn the place down
Remember this checklist.
Posted by: Anna
So that explains it.
All this time I thought it was:
1. Loot the women
2. Burn the wealth
3. Rape the livestock
No wonder my attempts to form a militia didn't pan out.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 11, 2015 10:13 PM (X9Mnx)
Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at August 11, 2015 10:14 PM (Dwehj)
405
Hammer,
They aren't pickled, you marinate for a few hours then remove them.
Posted by: lindafell
---------------
It was an irrelevant, throw away comment..., though true.
Penrose pickled eggs and beer, clearing bar rooms for 50 years.
They aren't pickled, you marinate for a few hours then remove them.
Posted by: lindafell
---------------
It was an irrelevant, throw away comment..., though true.
Penrose pickled eggs and beer, clearing bar rooms for 50 years.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, Hardliner at August 11, 2015 10:14 PM (9mTYi)
406
Just imagine the petite, well-formed native girls in grass-skirt bikinis feeding the coconut oil to you on the beach . . .
Posted by: filbert at August 11, 2015 10:13 PM (JvPqF)
Oh look, she spilled a little on herself. No, no, sweetie. Let me get that. Don't want to waste any. You know, diet and all...
Posted by: filbert at August 11, 2015 10:13 PM (JvPqF)
Oh look, she spilled a little on herself. No, no, sweetie. Let me get that. Don't want to waste any. You know, diet and all...
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Lion Lives Matter at August 11, 2015 10:14 PM (GEICT)
407
378 all right doomed i will try you voodoo coconut oil, chiefly because I'm fascinated by anything tropical.
All I humbly beseech of the chief Ewok is a status report in a week or two. Between upping your fat (calories!) and cutting your protein a bit, you'll see a difference.
All I humbly beseech of the chief Ewok is a status report in a week or two. Between upping your fat (calories!) and cutting your protein a bit, you'll see a difference.
Posted by: Doomed at August 11, 2015 10:14 PM (bGLSw)
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>> 399 And Heavy cream ftw.
I love that. Transforms just about any coffee into awesome. Have you tried butter? I think it tastes like a heart attack, but some people love it.
I love that. Transforms just about any coffee into awesome. Have you tried butter? I think it tastes like a heart attack, but some people love it.
Posted by: nerble at August 11, 2015 10:14 PM (5ih4P)
409
In the morning, I like coffee, a donut/croissant, a newspaper, and everyone to stfu.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 11, 2015 08:36 PM (iQIUe)
Amen, brother. Not that I get a donut often, so it's usually just the coffee, but with a donut? Heaven.
I usually just have black coffee and start grazing midmorning. Works for me.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 11, 2015 08:36 PM (iQIUe)
Amen, brother. Not that I get a donut often, so it's usually just the coffee, but with a donut? Heaven.
I usually just have black coffee and start grazing midmorning. Works for me.
Posted by: April at August 11, 2015 10:15 PM (79ZSg)
410
To give you an indication of where I stand with organic, my first response is usually, "Arsenic and hemlock are all-natural."
Posted by: nerble
Fair enough.
Posted by: nerble
Fair enough.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 11, 2015 10:16 PM (ZCFje)
411
The govm'nt lost its creds a while ago, this dietary shit is just the latest to flip.
You can say "Islam is the religion of peace" only so many times before thinking peeps call bullshit
You can say "Islam is the religion of peace" only so many times before thinking peeps call bullshit
Posted by: Jake at August 11, 2015 10:16 PM (cg1d0)
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Posted by: lindafell de Spair at August 11, 2015 10:06 PM (xVgrA)
Heavy cream is hard core. It's so rich and buttery.
I like it, but only very occasionally.
Heavy cream is hard core. It's so rich and buttery.
I like it, but only very occasionally.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 11, 2015 10:16 PM (Zu3d9)
413
No shit. Annoying me to no end that we haven't been able to do one in a while.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Lion Lives Matter at August 11, 2015 10:12 PM (GEICT)
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It's all the pagan woodland cavorting.
Did I tell you that we woke up with spiders crawling all over the tents and Alex didn't even bat an eye?
She was willingly Out In the Open. Outside.
The booze helped, surely.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Lion Lives Matter at August 11, 2015 10:12 PM (GEICT)
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It's all the pagan woodland cavorting.
Did I tell you that we woke up with spiders crawling all over the tents and Alex didn't even bat an eye?
She was willingly Out In the Open. Outside.
The booze helped, surely.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 11, 2015 10:16 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at August 11, 2015 10:16 PM (1ijHg)
415
The most I ever have in the morning is a tumbler of milk.
Posted by: eleven at August 11, 2015 10:17 PM (MDgS8)
416
Don't forget smoking. Great for weight loss.
Posted by: Edmund Burke's shade, languishing in Krazyfornia at August 11, 2015 10:17 PM (cmBvC)
417
Just checked...
Carbs - roughly 4 calories per gram
Protein - about the same
Fat - 9 calories per gram
So if Ace ups his saturated fat intake and cuts protein just a bit, and keeps carbs where they are (low), and doesn't change his existing exercise regimen, CICO says he should turn into a zeppelin in no time.
Carbs - roughly 4 calories per gram
Protein - about the same
Fat - 9 calories per gram
So if Ace ups his saturated fat intake and cuts protein just a bit, and keeps carbs where they are (low), and doesn't change his existing exercise regimen, CICO says he should turn into a zeppelin in no time.
Posted by: Doomed at August 11, 2015 10:18 PM (bGLSw)
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Just imagine the petite, well-formed native girls in grass-skirt bikinis feeding the coconut oil to you on the beach . . .
Posted by: filbert
Just before slipping a blue-ringed octopus into your coconut cup...
Posted by: filbert
Just before slipping a blue-ringed octopus into your coconut cup...
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 11, 2015 10:18 PM (ZCFje)
419
Heavy cream is hard core. It's so rich and buttery.
I like it, but only very occasionally.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 11, 2015 10:16 PM (Zu3d9)
You realize that butter is just cream that's been slapped around for a while, right?
I like it, but only very occasionally.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 11, 2015 10:16 PM (Zu3d9)
You realize that butter is just cream that's been slapped around for a while, right?
Posted by: filbert at August 11, 2015 10:18 PM (JvPqF)
420
Back in the day, well-meaning folks would bring donuts to work.
By 10:30, I prefer sausage and cheese and a few crackers.
By 10:30, I prefer sausage and cheese and a few crackers.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at August 11, 2015 10:18 PM (1ijHg)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 11, 2015 10:19 PM (iQIUe)
422
415
The most I ever have in the morning is a tumbler of milk.
Posted by: eleven at August 11, 2015 10:17 PM (MDgS
In the White Russian, I assume.
The most I ever have in the morning is a tumbler of milk.
Posted by: eleven at August 11, 2015 10:17 PM (MDgS
In the White Russian, I assume.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at August 11, 2015 10:19 PM (yxw0r)
423
Been doing this for twenty years. Age fifty. Thirty two inch waist. Scientists my ass.
Posted by: simplemind at August 11, 2015 10:19 PM (BTnAK)
424
I usually just have black coffee and start grazing midmorning. Works for me.
Posted by: April at August 11, 2015 10:15 PM (79ZSg)
I like my coffee like I like my women- strong, hot and creamy. If I feel like a little bitterness, I can go to Starbucks and talk to a barista.
Posted by: April at August 11, 2015 10:15 PM (79ZSg)
I like my coffee like I like my women- strong, hot and creamy. If I feel like a little bitterness, I can go to Starbucks and talk to a barista.
Posted by: Bill H at August 11, 2015 10:20 PM (Baojj)
425
I'm lucky that I haven't had a weight problem since high school. The past year or so, I take some V8 and a hard boiled egg to work for breakfast. Good protein and veggies. Keeps the hunger away until lunch.
Posted by: Infidel at August 11, 2015 10:20 PM (B7ML4)
Posted by: eleven at August 11, 2015 10:20 PM (MDgS8)
427
Just before slipping a blue-ringed octopus into your coconut cup...
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 11, 2015 10:18 PM (ZCFje)
Nice things, Unable to procure, Reasons for
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 11, 2015 10:18 PM (ZCFje)
Nice things, Unable to procure, Reasons for
Posted by: filbert at August 11, 2015 10:20 PM (JvPqF)
428
Did I tell you that we woke up with spiders crawling all over the tents and Alex didn't even bat an eye?
Next you'll tell me that she stands out in a crowd.
Next you'll tell me that she stands out in a crowd.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster1 at August 11, 2015 10:21 PM (0NdlF)
429
I always have a cup of java with breakfast, but tomorrow I'm going to experiment by substituting coffee with a Bloody Mary.
Oh, don't work, I'll lay down a protein rich base first.
Oh, don't work, I'll lay down a protein rich base first.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 11, 2015 10:21 PM (jR7Wy)
430
Did I tell you that we woke up with spiders crawling all over the tents and Alex didn't even bat an eye?
She was willingly Out In the Open. Outside.
The booze helped, surely.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 11, 2015 10:16 PM (jR7Wy)
Dude. I would have wigged. And I'm the official spider killer of the house.
Ahhhh...liquid courage.
She was willingly Out In the Open. Outside.
The booze helped, surely.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 11, 2015 10:16 PM (jR7Wy)
Dude. I would have wigged. And I'm the official spider killer of the house.
Ahhhh...liquid courage.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Lion Lives Matter at August 11, 2015 10:21 PM (GEICT)
431
worry, not work.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 11, 2015 10:22 PM (jR7Wy)
Posted by: eleven at August 11, 2015 10:22 PM (MDgS8)
433
Just think of it ace. If you had never eaten any breakfast at all you would be successful now. Cause no KABOOM.
Posted by: simplemind at August 11, 2015 10:22 PM (BTnAK)
434
You realize that butter is just cream that's been slapped around for a while, right?
Posted by: filbert at August 11, 2015 10:18 PM (JvPqF)
True, but it depends on how much milk fat you're dealing with. Heavy cream is just shy of that, where whipping cream can be used to make butter.
Posted by: filbert at August 11, 2015 10:18 PM (JvPqF)
True, but it depends on how much milk fat you're dealing with. Heavy cream is just shy of that, where whipping cream can be used to make butter.
Posted by: Bill H at August 11, 2015 10:23 PM (Baojj)
435
In the White Russian, I assume.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at August 11, 2015 10:19 PM (yxw0r)
The perfect White Russian:
Over ice in a tall glass (a beer pint works well):
Two shots vodka,
Two shots Kalhua,
Two shots heavy cream.
Be close to somewhere soft to fall down on.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at August 11, 2015 10:19 PM (yxw0r)
The perfect White Russian:
Over ice in a tall glass (a beer pint works well):
Two shots vodka,
Two shots Kalhua,
Two shots heavy cream.
Be close to somewhere soft to fall down on.
Posted by: filbert at August 11, 2015 10:23 PM (JvPqF)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 11, 2015 10:23 PM (P63/A)
437
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 11, 2015 10:21 PM (jR7Wy)
Eris, Cut to the chase, coffee with a jigger of Bailey's Irish Cream is the only way to start the day.
Eris, Cut to the chase, coffee with a jigger of Bailey's Irish Cream is the only way to start the day.
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 11, 2015 10:23 PM (ftVQq)
438
Cigarettes. http://tinyurl.com/otazkpj
Posted by: Edmund Burke's shade, languishing in Krazyfornia at August 11, 2015 10:24 PM (cmBvC)
439
>>>>The body can burn protein and can burn glycogen for energy.
you can't burn glycogen when you have none left (atkins) and as far as burning protein, there is no "stored protein" in the body. there is protein that's being digested, or protein converted to something that isn't protein (such as fat).
The stored sources of energy are glycogen and fat.
if you mean you can start burning muscle, well, yes, but we're not talking about actual starvation here. we are talking 16 hours without eating.
you can't burn glycogen when you have none left (atkins) and as far as burning protein, there is no "stored protein" in the body. there is protein that's being digested, or protein converted to something that isn't protein (such as fat).
The stored sources of energy are glycogen and fat.
if you mean you can start burning muscle, well, yes, but we're not talking about actual starvation here. we are talking 16 hours without eating.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 10:24 PM (dciA+)
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423 Been doing this for twenty years. Age fifty. Thirty two inch waist. Scientists my ass.
I'm 46 and slowing down but am size 30-32 waist, 5'10. Medium frame at best but in the late '90s I was a 36 waist pushing toward 38" even though I was running the tube saw in a metal shop (lots of lifting). I didn't officially exercise then and I don't now, except for push mowing every 2 weeks and normal walking. What's different? Diet. I ate all the starch I wanted back then. Now I've traded that for saturated fats. I'll let someone else do the math on that.
I'm 46 and slowing down but am size 30-32 waist, 5'10. Medium frame at best but in the late '90s I was a 36 waist pushing toward 38" even though I was running the tube saw in a metal shop (lots of lifting). I didn't officially exercise then and I don't now, except for push mowing every 2 weeks and normal walking. What's different? Diet. I ate all the starch I wanted back then. Now I've traded that for saturated fats. I'll let someone else do the math on that.
Posted by: Doomed at August 11, 2015 10:24 PM (bGLSw)
441
>>>433 Just think of it ace. If you had never eaten any breakfast at all you would be successful now. Cause no KABOOM.
YES! I'm making up for a childhood of shame!
YES! I'm making up for a childhood of shame!
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 10:25 PM (dciA+)
442
"Two shots Kalhua, "
My sister makes one not using Kahlua. Tastes like a vanilla cone. Can't remember what it was though.
My sister makes one not using Kahlua. Tastes like a vanilla cone. Can't remember what it was though.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 11, 2015 10:25 PM (P63/A)
443
Eris, Cut to the chase, coffee with a jigger of Bailey's Irish Cream is the only way to start the day.
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 11, 2015 10:23 PM (ftVQq)
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No Bailey's in the likker cabinet, but plenty of bacon-flavored vodka in the fridge.
I'm not an alcoholic -- I barely ever touch the stuff -- I just like being prepared for any cocktail situation.
Posted by: Hrothgar at August 11, 2015 10:23 PM (ftVQq)
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No Bailey's in the likker cabinet, but plenty of bacon-flavored vodka in the fridge.
I'm not an alcoholic -- I barely ever touch the stuff -- I just like being prepared for any cocktail situation.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 11, 2015 10:26 PM (jR7Wy)
444
g'early evenin', 'rons
Posted by: AltonJackson at August 11, 2015 10:26 PM (KCxzN)
445
Chicken breast and lean pork are awesome for losing weight.
Before I started paying attention to calorie counts, I didn't fully appreciate how few calories there are in a modest 5 or 6 ounce portion of either.
Eggs too- a large egg is only about 80 calories.
That eggs, pork loin and chicken taste good and are easy to prepare is just a bonus.
Before I started paying attention to calorie counts, I didn't fully appreciate how few calories there are in a modest 5 or 6 ounce portion of either.
Eggs too- a large egg is only about 80 calories.
That eggs, pork loin and chicken taste good and are easy to prepare is just a bonus.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 11, 2015 10:26 PM (X9Mnx)
446
Way late so I'm sure this has been covered, but:
>>>At 8:30 in the morning for four weeks, one group of subjects got oatmeal, another got frosted corn flakes and a third got nothing.
Well, out of those three options, nothing is probably the best bet.
Eat some damn protein and fat. For me it's three eggs with a onions, peppers and spinach with three slices of bacon. I have pants from HS that still fit.
>>>At 8:30 in the morning for four weeks, one group of subjects got oatmeal, another got frosted corn flakes and a third got nothing.
Well, out of those three options, nothing is probably the best bet.
Eat some damn protein and fat. For me it's three eggs with a onions, peppers and spinach with three slices of bacon. I have pants from HS that still fit.
Posted by: DC in River City at August 11, 2015 10:26 PM (e+1S5)
447
So this theory then is if you fast for 16 hours, etc, but still consume the same calories per day as someone with 3 squares, you will lose more weight?
So this theory then is if you fast for 16 hours, etc, but still consume the same calories per day as someone with 3 squares, you will lose more weight?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 11, 2015 10:27 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: Clarabell the Clown at August 11, 2015 10:27 PM (Dwehj)
449
>>>All I humbly beseech of the chief Ewok is a status report in a week or two. Between upping your fat (calories!) and cutting your protein a bit, you'll see a difference.
i can't cut my protein. i'm not really eating that much.
i can't cut my protein. i'm not really eating that much.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 10:27 PM (dciA+)
450
My sister makes one not using Kahlua. Tastes like a vanilla cone. Can't remember what it was though.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 11, 2015 10:25 PM (P63/A)
Ha! My mom used to make her own Kahlua. Vodka, cream, and coffee beans. Let the beans marinate for a couple of weeks, I think.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 11, 2015 10:25 PM (P63/A)
Ha! My mom used to make her own Kahlua. Vodka, cream, and coffee beans. Let the beans marinate for a couple of weeks, I think.
Posted by: Bill H at August 11, 2015 10:28 PM (Baojj)
451
Can't imagine how people are able to function for the first part of the day without breakfast, i need sugar and caffeine, lots of both, to wake my ass up and keep me going till lunch.
Posted by: All teh meh at August 11, 2015 10:28 PM (VviqM)
452
>> Be close to somewhere soft to fall down on.
No joke. Those things are all sneaky and like, "I'm just a mildly alcoholic milkshake," and the next thing you know you're in Mexico getting married to your scorpion tattoo.
No joke. Those things are all sneaky and like, "I'm just a mildly alcoholic milkshake," and the next thing you know you're in Mexico getting married to your scorpion tattoo.
Posted by: nerble at August 11, 2015 10:29 PM (5ih4P)
453
i can't cut my protein. i'm not really eating that much.
Fair enough. If you're carbs are low enough the increased coconut oil, etc, might trip ketosis (and don't live or die by the purple pee sticks, they can lie to you...just listen to your pants).
Fair enough. If you're carbs are low enough the increased coconut oil, etc, might trip ketosis (and don't live or die by the purple pee sticks, they can lie to you...just listen to your pants).
Posted by: Doomed at August 11, 2015 10:29 PM (bGLSw)
454
>>So this theory then is if you fast for 16 hours, etc, but still consume the same calories per day as someone with 3 squares, you will lose more weight?
yes but to be honest if your eating window is tight, like 6 hours, it's hard to eat as much as you used to because you just can't eat that much in that window.
so it imposes its own calorie restriction.
about one quarter of all days, I have a single meal. Another quarter i have two. Half, I have a meal, plus like a half-meal, of cheese and olives or something, in the evening.
but being a blogger, i'm very sedentary, except when i exercise. when I exercise i get in two meals, sometimes with a snack.
yes but to be honest if your eating window is tight, like 6 hours, it's hard to eat as much as you used to because you just can't eat that much in that window.
so it imposes its own calorie restriction.
about one quarter of all days, I have a single meal. Another quarter i have two. Half, I have a meal, plus like a half-meal, of cheese and olives or something, in the evening.
but being a blogger, i'm very sedentary, except when i exercise. when I exercise i get in two meals, sometimes with a snack.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 10:30 PM (dciA+)
455
i can't cut my protein. i'm not really eating that much.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 10:27 PM (dciA+)
You don't want to knock a lot off your protein anyway. Your kidneys will go on strike.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 10:27 PM (dciA+)
You don't want to knock a lot off your protein anyway. Your kidneys will go on strike.
Posted by: Bill H at August 11, 2015 10:31 PM (Baojj)
456
All I got from this whole thread is "listen to your pants".
Posted by: eleven at August 11, 2015 10:31 PM (MDgS8)
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 11, 2015 10:31 PM (jR7Wy)
458
Breakfast cereals as we know them today began accidentally while searching for a food for invalids and people dying of consumption. Kellogg and his assistants were experimenting with rolling cooked grains and failed to clean the rollers. The next day they sampled the dried rolled bits and Kaboom! was born.
C.W. Post was a kid working for Kellogg in his factory. Post had a photographic memory and detailed Kellogg's factory in his brain. The kid that Kellogg took off the streets of Battle Creek became his competitor.
C.W. Post was a kid working for Kellogg in his factory. Post had a photographic memory and detailed Kellogg's factory in his brain. The kid that Kellogg took off the streets of Battle Creek became his competitor.
Posted by: Cicero Boom chicka boom Kaboom! Kid at August 11, 2015 10:31 PM (HZ31b)
459
So this theory then is if you fast for 16 hours, etc, but still consume the same calories per day as someone with 3 squares, you will lose more weight?
You actually eat less. You skipped breakfast, after all, and eating more for lunch/dinner reeks of effort.
I think it also makes you pay more attention to your actual hunger. I've been doing IF for a few months, and where I used to eat my entire work catered dinner, now I eat about two thirds of the portion.
You actually eat less. You skipped breakfast, after all, and eating more for lunch/dinner reeks of effort.
I think it also makes you pay more attention to your actual hunger. I've been doing IF for a few months, and where I used to eat my entire work catered dinner, now I eat about two thirds of the portion.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster1 at August 11, 2015 10:32 PM (0NdlF)
460
Protein is very important.
Posted by: Sandra Flook at August 11, 2015 10:32 PM (Dwehj)
461
Looking forward to an update. Off before the lightning strikes.
Posted by: Doomed at August 11, 2015 10:32 PM (bGLSw)
462
>>>Fair enough. If you're carbs are low enough the increased coconut oil, etc, might trip ketosis (and don't live or die by the purple pee sticks, they can lie to you...just listen to your pants).
well i'm losing weight, i'm just not losing it like I did before with atkins.
I'm losing a little more than 10 pounds a month. but i do have more to lose just to get me down to my fit sort of look (from 15 years ago), and frankly, my goal is to be actually fit for the first time in my life.
So while I'd like to get the weight loss up to 15 or even 20 pounds a month. Okay not 20, but 16 or 17.
well i'm losing weight, i'm just not losing it like I did before with atkins.
I'm losing a little more than 10 pounds a month. but i do have more to lose just to get me down to my fit sort of look (from 15 years ago), and frankly, my goal is to be actually fit for the first time in my life.
So while I'd like to get the weight loss up to 15 or even 20 pounds a month. Okay not 20, but 16 or 17.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 10:33 PM (dciA+)
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Shit is going down, tonite. The police blocked them last nite when they had all this crap planned. Hope they get crushed again.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 11, 2015 10:33 PM (iQIUe)
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"Vodka, cream, and coffee beans."
Never thought about it but that sounds about right based on the taste.
Never thought about it but that sounds about right based on the taste.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 11, 2015 10:33 PM (P63/A)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 11, 2015 10:33 PM (ZCFje)
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451
Can't imagine how people are able to function for the first part of the
day without breakfast, i need sugar and caffeine, lots of both, to wake
my ass up and keep me going till lunch.
Posted by: All teh meh at August 11, 2015 10:28 PM (VviqM)
Might I suggest extreme anxiety?
Can't imagine how people are able to function for the first part of the
day without breakfast, i need sugar and caffeine, lots of both, to wake
my ass up and keep me going till lunch.
Posted by: All teh meh at August 11, 2015 10:28 PM (VviqM)
Might I suggest extreme anxiety?
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at August 11, 2015 10:33 PM (yxw0r)
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Penn Jillette just did a podcast about the diet he's on. He lost like 90 pounds and is pretty much unrecognizable now.
The dude who came up with Penn's diet (basically vegan, grain-and-sugar free) was talking about IF some too.
The dude who came up with Penn's diet (basically vegan, grain-and-sugar free) was talking about IF some too.
Posted by: Jenny's Phone Steals Words at August 11, 2015 10:34 PM (Kx2cC)
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there is no "stored protein" in the body. there is
protein that's being digested, or protein converted to something that
isn't protein (such as fat).
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 10:24 PM (dciA+)There is protein available for catabolysis in most tissues of the body. And in a pinch...like every day...people burn a little muscle. And of course glycogen and fat are used all of the time.
All of these metabolic pathways are active 24 hours/day. It's the ratios that change depending on diet and demand and all sorts of stuff.
Grab a good human physiology or cell biology textbook.
protein that's being digested, or protein converted to something that
isn't protein (such as fat).
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 10:24 PM (dciA+)There is protein available for catabolysis in most tissues of the body. And in a pinch...like every day...people burn a little muscle. And of course glycogen and fat are used all of the time.
All of these metabolic pathways are active 24 hours/day. It's the ratios that change depending on diet and demand and all sorts of stuff.
Grab a good human physiology or cell biology textbook.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 11, 2015 10:34 PM (Zu3d9)
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Can't imagine how people are able to function for the first part of the day without breakfast, i need sugar and caffeine, lots of both, to wake my ass up and keep me going till lunch.
Posted by: All teh meh at August 11, 2015 10:28 PM (VviqM)
Getting back to that narrow eating window Ace was talking about, I'm one of those who can get up early and normally go without eating until 8-9:00 at night.
Posted by: All teh meh at August 11, 2015 10:28 PM (VviqM)
Getting back to that narrow eating window Ace was talking about, I'm one of those who can get up early and normally go without eating until 8-9:00 at night.
Posted by: Bill H at August 11, 2015 10:34 PM (Baojj)
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To be fair, genetics does have some bearing on body types and the propensity to being over weight.
I remember read a study the said there are only two periods in your life that you actually make fat cells, from birth to about 3, and during puberty. So if you gain weight you are only increasing the size of your fat cells, not actually laying new ones down. The flip side is losing weight is only shrinking your fat cells, not actually getting rid of them. Fat cell by their nature want to be full. That is one of the reasons it's hard for most to lose weight, and keep it off, your fat cells panic when they are shrinking and tell you you're hungry so they can refill. Dieting is less effective the more times you have lost weight and regain it since your fat cells become resistant to shrinking. Hence, it's harder to lose weight the older you get.
I remember read a study the said there are only two periods in your life that you actually make fat cells, from birth to about 3, and during puberty. So if you gain weight you are only increasing the size of your fat cells, not actually laying new ones down. The flip side is losing weight is only shrinking your fat cells, not actually getting rid of them. Fat cell by their nature want to be full. That is one of the reasons it's hard for most to lose weight, and keep it off, your fat cells panic when they are shrinking and tell you you're hungry so they can refill. Dieting is less effective the more times you have lost weight and regain it since your fat cells become resistant to shrinking. Hence, it's harder to lose weight the older you get.
Posted by: lindafell de Spair at August 11, 2015 10:34 PM (xVgrA)
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>>>I'm losing a little more than 10 pounds a month.
Dude that's great! Be patient, and don't force it. If you're making progress and feel like it's something you could keep up forever, keep it up.
Just don't hit your target and immediately go back to your old habits. It has be a lifestyle change, not a "diet".
Dude that's great! Be patient, and don't force it. If you're making progress and feel like it's something you could keep up forever, keep it up.
Just don't hit your target and immediately go back to your old habits. It has be a lifestyle change, not a "diet".
Posted by: DC in River City at August 11, 2015 10:35 PM (e+1S5)
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>>>I think it also makes you pay more attention to your actual hunger. I've been doing IF for a few months, and where I used to eat my entire work catered dinner, now I eat about two thirds of the portion.
one of the simplest changes i made was to stop over-eating, to stop eating until that "full" feeling.
That full feeling means you overate. If you want to lose weight, i think you should almost always be able to eat more, if you had to .
one of the simplest changes i made was to stop over-eating, to stop eating until that "full" feeling.
That full feeling means you overate. If you want to lose weight, i think you should almost always be able to eat more, if you had to .
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 10:35 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: eleven at August 11, 2015 10:35 PM (MDgS8)
Posted by: MAx at August 11, 2015 10:36 PM (LAliD)
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"Breakfast cereals as we know them today began accidentally while searching for a food for invalids and people dying of consumption. "
Kinda sounds like peanut butter.
Kinda sounds like peanut butter.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 11, 2015 10:36 PM (P63/A)
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I like my coffee like I like my women- strong, hot and creamy. If I feel like a little bitterness, I can go to Starbucks and talk to a barista.
Posted by: Bill H at August 11, 2015 10:20 PM (Baojj)
I like my coffee like my life, black & bitter
Posted by: Bill H at August 11, 2015 10:20 PM (Baojj)
I like my coffee like my life, black & bitter
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 11, 2015 10:36 PM (OMXTD)
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Being sedentary doesn't always account for the calories that are consumed by brain function. I swear that sitting at a computer all day doing actual higher function work, the "brain" will burn a great deal of calories. (e.g. coding, ACAD, database, etc.)
Being sedentary doesn't always account for the calories that are consumed by brain function. I swear that sitting at a computer all day doing actual higher function work, the "brain" will burn a great deal of calories. (e.g. coding, ACAD, database, etc.)
Posted by: GBruno at August 11, 2015 10:37 PM (u49WF)
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>>>Just don't hit your target and immediately go back to your old habits. It has be a lifestyle change, not a "diet".
yup, i tell myself every day "this isn't a diet, this is a permanent change of habit."
yup, i tell myself every day "this isn't a diet, this is a permanent change of habit."
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 10:37 PM (dciA+)
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473 Anxiety and cigarettes are a pretty good weight loss plan.
Posted by: eleven at August 11, 2015 10:35 PM (MDgS
Heroin, cocaine & meth work too
Posted by: eleven at August 11, 2015 10:35 PM (MDgS
Heroin, cocaine & meth work too
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 11, 2015 10:37 PM (OMXTD)
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"He lost like 90 pounds and is pretty much unrecognizable now. "
Jillette is Al Roker-ish now. Doesn't look good. It may not be healthy or fashionable but some people look better carrying a little weight.
Jillette is Al Roker-ish now. Doesn't look good. It may not be healthy or fashionable but some people look better carrying a little weight.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 11, 2015 10:39 PM (P63/A)
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>>>Being sedentary doesn't always account for the calories that are consumed by brain function. I swear that sitting at a computer all day doing actual higher function work, the "brain" will burn a great deal of calories. (e.g. coding, ACAD, database, etc.)
i know the brain uses a lot of calories but... i don't know if you can really increase calorie consumption much by brainwork.
i know the brain uses a lot of calories but... i don't know if you can really increase calorie consumption much by brainwork.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 10:39 PM (dciA+)
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at August 11, 2015 10:39 PM (1ijHg)
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Eating less should make you lose weight, but does this program increase your metabolism at the same time without exercise?
Eating less should make you lose weight, but does this program increase your metabolism at the same time without exercise?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 11, 2015 10:39 PM (ODxAs)
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Jillette is Al Roker-ish now. Doesn't look good. It may not be healthy or fashionable but some people look better carrying a little weight.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 11
Then I should look like a million fucking bucks
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 11
Then I should look like a million fucking bucks
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 11, 2015 10:39 PM (OMXTD)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at August 11, 2015 10:40 PM (wKc1L)
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Never thought about it but that sounds about right based on the taste.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 11, 2015 10:33 PM (P63/A)
Yah, I don't remember the exact proportions, but I'm pretty sure that's all there was to it. There might have been a small amount of sugar. The vodka was quite literally Valu Rite- didn't need Stoli or Gray Goose for this.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 11, 2015 10:33 PM (P63/A)
Yah, I don't remember the exact proportions, but I'm pretty sure that's all there was to it. There might have been a small amount of sugar. The vodka was quite literally Valu Rite- didn't need Stoli or Gray Goose for this.
Posted by: Bill H at August 11, 2015 10:40 PM (Baojj)
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Getting back to that narrow eating window Ace was talking about, I'm one of those who can get up early and normally go without eating until 8-9:00 at night.
Posted by: Bill H at August 11, 2015 10:34 PM (Baojj)
Wow, i might be able to make it to lunch, maybe, without breakfast, but i'd pass out around 6pm or so most likely if i didn't eat lunch either.
Posted by: Bill H at August 11, 2015 10:34 PM (Baojj)
Wow, i might be able to make it to lunch, maybe, without breakfast, but i'd pass out around 6pm or so most likely if i didn't eat lunch either.
Posted by: All teh meh at August 11, 2015 10:41 PM (VviqM)
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>>>yup, i tell myself every day "this isn't a diet, this is a permanent change of habit."
Then you've got the mentality for success. Now it's a matter of discipline and patience. I recommend, even though I never do this myself, only making one major change at a time, to gauge it's effectiveness.
Then you've got the mentality for success. Now it's a matter of discipline and patience. I recommend, even though I never do this myself, only making one major change at a time, to gauge it's effectiveness.
Posted by: DC in River City at August 11, 2015 10:41 PM (e+1S5)
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I lost weight, but my girlfriends thought I looked emaciated so I quickly regained my original self with a large FUPA, butt, and fatty taco.
I lost weight, but my girlfriends thought I looked emaciated so I quickly regained my original self with a large FUPA, butt, and fatty taco.
Posted by: Rosie O'Donnell at August 11, 2015 10:41 PM (OiFtZ)
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Breakfast cereals as we know them today began accidentally while searching for a food for invalids and people dying of consumption. Kellogg and his assistants were experimenting with rolling cooked grains and failed to clean the rollers.
Posted by: Cicero Boom chicka boom Kaboom!
Actually, I was trying to stop people from masturbating. And, if the commenters here are reflective of the population at whole, I have failed miserably.
Thanks for the reminder.
Posted by: Cicero Boom chicka boom Kaboom!
Actually, I was trying to stop people from masturbating. And, if the commenters here are reflective of the population at whole, I have failed miserably.
Thanks for the reminder.
Posted by: zombie Will Keith Kellogg at August 11, 2015 10:41 PM (ZCFje)
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>> The dude who came up with Penn's diet (basically vegan, grain-and-sugar free) was talking about IF some too.
I'm sorry, if the rest of my life involved "vegan, grain-and-sugar free" I would happily eat a bullet.
I'm sorry, if the rest of my life involved "vegan, grain-and-sugar free" I would happily eat a bullet.
Posted by: nerble at August 11, 2015 10:42 PM (5ih4P)
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479: So said the funeral pyre of Keith Richards.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at August 11, 2015 10:42 PM (ucDmr)
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480 "He lost like 90 pounds and is pretty much unrecognizable now. "
Jillette is Al Roker-ish now. Doesn't look good. It may not be healthy or fashionable but some people look better carrying a little weight.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 11, 2015 10:39 PM (P63/A)
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Yeah, I like big bombastic Jillette. And what is it with this veganism everywhere? Plain old vegetarianism used to suffice.
Jillette is Al Roker-ish now. Doesn't look good. It may not be healthy or fashionable but some people look better carrying a little weight.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 11, 2015 10:39 PM (P63/A)
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Yeah, I like big bombastic Jillette. And what is it with this veganism everywhere? Plain old vegetarianism used to suffice.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Literate Savage at August 11, 2015 10:42 PM (jR7Wy)
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OT:
Steven Hayes looks like he has a corn cob anus tampon trying to show maximum disdain for Trump on (I know) Hannity. Got really pissy when Limbaughs brother said he's sticking it to the establishment.
Steven Hayes looks like he has a corn cob anus tampon trying to show maximum disdain for Trump on (I know) Hannity. Got really pissy when Limbaughs brother said he's sticking it to the establishment.
Posted by: Old Glazier at August 11, 2015 10:42 PM (u63X/)
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So while I'd like to get the weight loss up to 15 or even 20 pounds a month. Okay not 20, but 16 or 17.
Don't.
10 pounds a months is darned good, and more importantly it's sustainable over the long term.
It's possible to lose 15-20 pounds a month, but for how long can you maintain such an aggressive regimen?
Better to lose 50 pounds over 5 months than lose 40 pounds in two months only to gain them back again because you're unwilling to torture yourself a second time.
Don't.
10 pounds a months is darned good, and more importantly it's sustainable over the long term.
It's possible to lose 15-20 pounds a month, but for how long can you maintain such an aggressive regimen?
Better to lose 50 pounds over 5 months than lose 40 pounds in two months only to gain them back again because you're unwilling to torture yourself a second time.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 11, 2015 10:44 PM (X9Mnx)
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480 "He lost like 90 pounds and is pretty much unrecognizable now. "
Jillette is Al Roker-ish now. Doesn't look good. It may not be healthy or fashionable but some people look better carrying a little weight.
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Yeah, he does actually look his age now. But his blood pressure and cholesterol are apparently back where they should be, so good for him.
Still, the diet he described sounds dreadful to me. It's like two weeks of eating nothing but baked potatoes with nothing (except some salt, spices maybe?) to start out and then only fruit, veggies, brown rice (I think that's the only allowed grain, but maybe quinoa or other unprocessed/barely processed grains may be allowed too) except for "rare and appropriate" treats.
Jillette is Al Roker-ish now. Doesn't look good. It may not be healthy or fashionable but some people look better carrying a little weight.
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Yeah, he does actually look his age now. But his blood pressure and cholesterol are apparently back where they should be, so good for him.
Still, the diet he described sounds dreadful to me. It's like two weeks of eating nothing but baked potatoes with nothing (except some salt, spices maybe?) to start out and then only fruit, veggies, brown rice (I think that's the only allowed grain, but maybe quinoa or other unprocessed/barely processed grains may be allowed too) except for "rare and appropriate" treats.
Posted by: Jenny's Phone Steals Words at August 11, 2015 10:45 PM (Kx2cC)
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I'm sorry, if the rest of my life involved "vegan, grain-and-sugar free" I would happily eat a bullet.
Posted by: nerble at August 11, 2015 10:42 PM (5ih4P)
This.
Posted by: nerble at August 11, 2015 10:42 PM (5ih4P)
This.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Lion Lives Matter at August 11, 2015 10:45 PM (GEICT)
498
Nobody in Britain will cremate Keith, scared the fire will never go out.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at August 11, 2015 10:45 PM (ucDmr)
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Actually, I was trying to stop people from masturbating. And, if the
commenters here are reflective of the population at whole, I have failed
miserably.
Bacon, man.
commenters here are reflective of the population at whole, I have failed
miserably.
Bacon, man.
Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at August 11, 2015 10:45 PM (rHXGG)
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#493: Drew Carey also looked better with some extra weight.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at August 11, 2015 10:45 PM (wKc1L)
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I use to make homemade kaluha to give as gifts at Christmas. Basically you use espresso, brewed, sugar and vodka. Kaluha doesn't have cream in it. It's solid black.
Posted by: lindafell de Spair at August 11, 2015 10:45 PM (xVgrA)
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Trump is sticking it to the establishment like how a hobo would image a rich guy would stick it to the establishment.
Posted by: eleven at August 11, 2015 10:45 PM (MDgS8)
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"Then I should look like a million fucking bucks"
MH, I'm sure you're rockin' southwestern Wisconsin fashion.
MH, I'm sure you're rockin' southwestern Wisconsin fashion.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 11, 2015 10:45 PM (P63/A)
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ace: "So while I'd like to get the weight loss up to 15 or even 20 pounds a month. Okay not 20, but 16 or 17."
That's a lot, a very high bar. A half pound a day?
Pace yourself. Marathon, not a sprint.
That's a lot, a very high bar. A half pound a day?
Pace yourself. Marathon, not a sprint.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 11, 2015 10:45 PM (1CroS)
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Ace posting Hodgetwins? Awesome!!
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at August 11, 2015 10:47 PM (wJuYg)
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Actually, I was trying to stop people from
masturbating. And, if the commenters here are reflective of the
population at whole, I have failed miserably.
Posted by: zombie Will Keith Kellogg at August 11, 2015 10:41 PM (ZCFje)
Some of us are trying. I can see how using corn flakes might nip that habit in the bud, though.
masturbating. And, if the commenters here are reflective of the
population at whole, I have failed miserably.
Posted by: zombie Will Keith Kellogg at August 11, 2015 10:41 PM (ZCFje)
Some of us are trying. I can see how using corn flakes might nip that habit in the bud, though.
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at August 11, 2015 10:47 PM (yxw0r)
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#497: Yep, if they're right about their diets maybe they can live to be 100, but I look at what they're eating and I ask why you'd want to live that long if that's all you have to look forward to every day.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at August 11, 2015 10:47 PM (wKc1L)
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Over ice in a tall glass (a beer pint works well):
Two shots vodka,
Two shots Kalhua,
Two shots heavy cream.
Be close to somewhere soft to fall down on.
I have all these things. And tomorrow off. *srednop*
Two shots vodka,
Two shots Kalhua,
Two shots heavy cream.
Be close to somewhere soft to fall down on.
I have all these things. And tomorrow off. *srednop*
Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at August 11, 2015 10:48 PM (rHXGG)
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500 #493: Drew Carey also looked better with some extra weight.
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Eh, I disagree on that one. He doesn't look as melted as Jillette does. T
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Eh, I disagree on that one. He doesn't look as melted as Jillette does. T
Posted by: Jenny's Phone Steals Words at August 11, 2015 10:48 PM (Kx2cC)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 11, 2015 10:48 PM (ODxAs)
511
Hmmmm. I'm gonna wait until I hear from Michelle Obama on this......
Posted by: Lizzy at August 11, 2015 10:48 PM (NOIQH)
512
Folks I know that had cancer lost a lot of weight in a short amount of time.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at August 11, 2015 10:39 PM (1ijHg)
I did the same thing on dialysis- about 85 pounds in under two months. I've gained about 10 back since then. On the plus side, at 55 I actually weigh less with a smaller waist than I was in high school. On the negative side, I am almost continually burned out. Just going to Los Angeles- a favorite activity of mine (long story why) has become difficult.
Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at August 11, 2015 10:39 PM (1ijHg)
I did the same thing on dialysis- about 85 pounds in under two months. I've gained about 10 back since then. On the plus side, at 55 I actually weigh less with a smaller waist than I was in high school. On the negative side, I am almost continually burned out. Just going to Los Angeles- a favorite activity of mine (long story why) has become difficult.
Posted by: Bill H at August 11, 2015 10:48 PM (Baojj)
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Ace, you're probably right. I'm starting to think the entire concept of calories, metabolism, weight, et al., is maybe unknowable to a lot of people, much like "global warming".
If you live in a colder climate, you need a little more body fat. If you live in hot humid land, every ounce of fat feels like 5 pounds. Stress, anger, all those things are like sex drive. Just too many parts to the equation.
Ace, you're probably right. I'm starting to think the entire concept of calories, metabolism, weight, et al., is maybe unknowable to a lot of people, much like "global warming".
If you live in a colder climate, you need a little more body fat. If you live in hot humid land, every ounce of fat feels like 5 pounds. Stress, anger, all those things are like sex drive. Just too many parts to the equation.
Posted by: GBruno at August 11, 2015 10:49 PM (u49WF)
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@eleven
That you Karl?
That you Karl?
Posted by: Old Glazier at August 11, 2015 10:49 PM (u63X/)
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Everything from the government stinks to high Heaven. Name something that doesn't. Go on, name one. I dare you.
Posted by: katya the designated driver at August 11, 2015 10:50 PM (WlQGZ)
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Just going to Los Angeles- a favorite activity of mine (long story why) has become difficult.
By Bill H
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Uhuh........go on......
By Bill H
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Uhuh........go on......
Posted by: lindafell de Spair at August 11, 2015 10:51 PM (xVgrA)
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Then you have people like Jennifer Hudson. She looked amazing with her extra weight, and then she still looked amazing without it.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at August 11, 2015 10:51 PM (wKc1L)
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Grampa Jimbo: "Folks I know that had cancer lost a lot of weight in a short amount of time."
The silver lining of a huge tumor.
But seriously, it's the drugs. They'll mess you up.
The silver lining of a huge tumor.
But seriously, it's the drugs. They'll mess you up.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 11, 2015 10:51 PM (1CroS)
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"It's like two weeks of eating nothing but baked potatoes with nothing (except some salt, spices maybe?)"
I've heard of potato diets. The tater, by itself, doesn't seem as bad as one might thigh carb/calorie wise considering it's nutrition. When you add all the cheese and ranch dressing and bacon and sour cream and gravy then the calories start to spike.
I've heard of potato diets. The tater, by itself, doesn't seem as bad as one might thigh carb/calorie wise considering it's nutrition. When you add all the cheese and ranch dressing and bacon and sour cream and gravy then the calories start to spike.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 11, 2015 10:51 PM (P63/A)
520
but I look at what they're eating and I ask why you'd want to live that
long if that's all you have to look forward to every day.
http://is.gd/KU1hdV
long if that's all you have to look forward to every day.
http://is.gd/KU1hdV
Posted by: HR trinken trinken trinken at August 11, 2015 10:52 PM (rHXGG)
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517 Then you have people like Jennifer Hudson. She looked amazing with her extra weight, and then she still looked amazing without it.
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She really is gorgeous.
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She really is gorgeous.
Posted by: Jenny's Phone Steals Words at August 11, 2015 10:52 PM (Kx2cC)
522
Hmmmm. I'm gonna wait until I hear from Michelle Obama on this......
Posted by: Lizzy at August 11, 2015 10:48 PM (NOIQH)
Because she's in great shape. For a semi-truck
Posted by: Lizzy at August 11, 2015 10:48 PM (NOIQH)
Because she's in great shape. For a semi-truck
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 11, 2015 10:52 PM (DiZBp)
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I have heard an all lye diet will thin you right out. I really hate emaciated looking peeps, unless they are really sick.
Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at August 11, 2015 10:52 PM (ucDmr)
524
So while I'd like to get the weight loss up to 15 or even 20 pounds a month. Okay not 20, but 16 or 17.
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 10:33 PM (dciA+)
I'd agree in general that this is a pretty bad idea . . . not knowing where you're starting from, I'm talking out of my ass of course.
My bariatrician wanted me to shoot for 2-5 pounds a week during the most intense phase of weight loss.
He was also doing a lot of blood tests to make sure I wasn't killing myself.
As it stood, I wound up losing my gall bladder due to the zero-fat diet I was on at the beginning.
(Gallstones were disclosed as a possible side-effect from the diet . . . turns out that the gall bladder actually needs some amount of fat in your diet to work properly!)
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2015 10:33 PM (dciA+)
I'd agree in general that this is a pretty bad idea . . . not knowing where you're starting from, I'm talking out of my ass of course.
My bariatrician wanted me to shoot for 2-5 pounds a week during the most intense phase of weight loss.
He was also doing a lot of blood tests to make sure I wasn't killing myself.
As it stood, I wound up losing my gall bladder due to the zero-fat diet I was on at the beginning.
(Gallstones were disclosed as a possible side-effect from the diet . . . turns out that the gall bladder actually needs some amount of fat in your diet to work properly!)
Posted by: filbert at August 11, 2015 10:52 PM (JvPqF)
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Everything from the government stinks to high Heaven. Name something that doesn't. Go on, name one. I dare you.
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is this a trick question? I don't think it's an answerable question.
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is this a trick question? I don't think it's an answerable question.
Posted by: lindafell de Spair at August 11, 2015 10:52 PM (xVgrA)
Posted by: eleven at August 11, 2015 10:53 PM (MDgS8)
527
Wow, i might be able to make it to lunch, maybe, without breakfast, but i'd pass out around 6pm or so most likely if i didn't eat lunch either.
Posted by: All teh meh at August 11, 2015 10:41 PM (VviqM)
I think one of the secrets is I'll go to my workshed and start putting a wire harness on the pattern board, simply forgetting all about eating until someone comes and shakes my tree a little. Iced tea- it's a hell of a drug.
Posted by: All teh meh at August 11, 2015 10:41 PM (VviqM)
I think one of the secrets is I'll go to my workshed and start putting a wire harness on the pattern board, simply forgetting all about eating until someone comes and shakes my tree a little. Iced tea- it's a hell of a drug.
Posted by: Bill H at August 11, 2015 10:53 PM (Baojj)
Posted by: Infidel at August 11, 2015 10:56 PM (B7ML4)
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turns out that the gall bladder actually needs some amount of fat in your diet to work properly!
my gall bladder is hung like a horse then.
my gall bladder is hung like a horse then.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 11, 2015 10:56 PM (ODxAs)
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I think it was on this very blog when Kagan was 'running' for the supreme court that I found out that she and Hillary! had actually re-written the American College of OB/GYN standards of care in the '90s through their control over Medicare residency funding.
I'm still shocked about that. The government, long before the ACA writing the abortion rules for doctors. Deciding issues of health care when not only are they wholly and dangerously unqualified to decide such things but their decisions are made from a political perspective and they could give a shit about actual patients.
People like that should be hung from lamposts.
I'm still shocked about that. The government, long before the ACA writing the abortion rules for doctors. Deciding issues of health care when not only are they wholly and dangerously unqualified to decide such things but their decisions are made from a political perspective and they could give a shit about actual patients.
People like that should be hung from lamposts.
Posted by: Daybrother SMOD/Caldera 2016 at August 11, 2015 10:57 PM (G82dx)
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Gotta have sumpthin on a tater bros.
Posted by: eleven at August 11, 2015 10:53 PM (MDgS
Butter. Bacon bits. Sour cream.
(Throw away the tater. Well, eat the skin if it's really, really crispy.)
Posted by: eleven at August 11, 2015 10:53 PM (MDgS
Butter. Bacon bits. Sour cream.
(Throw away the tater. Well, eat the skin if it's really, really crispy.)
Posted by: filbert at August 11, 2015 10:57 PM (JvPqF)
532
#521: On that, we agree!
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at August 11, 2015 10:57 PM (wKc1L)
533
Are we sure ace isn't hugh jackman?
Posted by: Fdr's tv at August 11, 2015 10:57 PM (ne2fm)
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"Gotta have sumpthin on a tater bros. "
Sure. I go a little shredded cheese, some seasoned salt, pepper, picante sauce, and, onions.
Sure. I go a little shredded cheese, some seasoned salt, pepper, picante sauce, and, onions.
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 11, 2015 10:58 PM (P63/A)
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>>Everything from the government stinks to high Heaven. Name something that doesn't. Go on, name one. I dare you.
Uh, the Navy SEALS?
Uh, the Navy SEALS?
Posted by: Lizzy at August 11, 2015 10:59 PM (NOIQH)
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Posted by: eleven at August 11, 2015 10:59 PM (MDgS8)
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I lost about 20 pounds in less than a week, when I broke a major bone and had to get bolted back together.
I cannot tell you how many women were jealous when I told them about eating 4 meals each day and sleeping 16 hours a day and still losing weight.
I got it all back, because I kept eating like that after my metabolism slowed down, but building bone takes lots of calories.
I cannot tell you how many women were jealous when I told them about eating 4 meals each day and sleeping 16 hours a day and still losing weight.
I got it all back, because I kept eating like that after my metabolism slowed down, but building bone takes lots of calories.
Posted by: Kindltot at August 11, 2015 11:00 PM (3pRHP)
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533 good point. Jackman is a furry EWOK isn't he.
Posted by: simplemind at August 11, 2015 11:00 PM (BTnAK)
540
I could have a baked potato at least once a day and be happy. But I gotta have butter. But fat is ok, right? So, coffee, potatoes, and butter. I'ma try that for #twoweeks and I'll get back to you all on my success, or lack thereof.
Posted by: April at August 11, 2015 11:00 PM (79ZSg)
541
less than a month. Sorry.
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Posted by: Jenny's Phone Steals Words at August 11, 2015 11:01 PM (Kx2cC)
543
For me, the number one most important factor for losing weight was preparing meals in advance.
Nothing else came close. It was and is THE deciding factor.
If I hard boil 10 eggs and smoked or cooked enough chicken and pork that I had breakfast and lunch prepared in advance for the work week, I'm be golden. If I don't do this... the vending machine start to look pretty fucking tempting. Forgot to bring a healthy lunch? Well hitting McDonalds just this one time can't be that bad, right?
It's not, except that once you've given yourself permission to do it once, it's damned easy to convince yourself to repeat the mistake.
Nothing else came close. It was and is THE deciding factor.
If I hard boil 10 eggs and smoked or cooked enough chicken and pork that I had breakfast and lunch prepared in advance for the work week, I'm be golden. If I don't do this... the vending machine start to look pretty fucking tempting. Forgot to bring a healthy lunch? Well hitting McDonalds just this one time can't be that bad, right?
It's not, except that once you've given yourself permission to do it once, it's damned easy to convince yourself to repeat the mistake.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 11, 2015 11:01 PM (X9Mnx)
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#534: Jason's Deli has a baked potato I really like, called the Spud Au Broc. It's smothered in steamed broccoli and broccoli-cheese soup, and sprinkled with green onions and bacon bits.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at August 11, 2015 11:02 PM (wKc1L)
545
540 I could have a baked potato at least once a day and be happy. But I gotta have butter. But fat is ok, right? So, coffee, potatoes, and butter. I'ma try that for #twoweeks and I'll get back to you all on my success, or lack thereof.
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Most people seem to be either pro-potato (Jillete's diet guru) or pro-butter (Atkins/palPretty
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Most people seem to be either pro-potato (Jillete's diet guru) or pro-butter (Atkins/palPretty
Posted by: Jenny's Phone Steals Words at August 11, 2015 11:04 PM (Kx2cC)
546
Dammit.
I meant that Atkins/paleo is pro-butter. The potato diet people are anti-butter.
Jillette says he flavors his veggies with Apple cider vinegar, which seems disgusting to be honest
I meant that Atkins/paleo is pro-butter. The potato diet people are anti-butter.
Jillette says he flavors his veggies with Apple cider vinegar, which seems disgusting to be honest
Posted by: Jenny's Phone Steals Words at August 11, 2015 11:05 PM (Kx2cC)
547
Anxiety and cigarettes are a pretty good weight loss plan.
This, and add some beer.
Posted by: Infidel at August 11, 2015 10:56 PM (B7ML4)
****
This was my divorce diet. 240 to 180 over 6 months. Once you count that 200 lbs. I lost in one day in Court, we're in Black hole territory here.
This, and add some beer.
Posted by: Infidel at August 11, 2015 10:56 PM (B7ML4)
****
This was my divorce diet. 240 to 180 over 6 months. Once you count that 200 lbs. I lost in one day in Court, we're in Black hole territory here.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at August 11, 2015 11:06 PM (cygkw)
548
#546: I've always liked the taste of vinegar, myself. When I go out for fish and chips, I like lots of malt vinegar on it.
Oh, and when I was a kid, my mom used to make this awesome casserole out of potatoes, cabbage, and smoked sausage. I always loved it, especially with some vinegar added.
Oh, and when I was a kid, my mom used to make this awesome casserole out of potatoes, cabbage, and smoked sausage. I always loved it, especially with some vinegar added.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at August 11, 2015 11:09 PM (wKc1L)
549
>>>For me, the number one most important factor for losing weight was preparing meals in advance.
dingdingding!
I spend most of Sunday evening cooking, usually one or two big meals to get me most of the way through the week. Around Wednesday or so I'll cook some simpler stuff like burgers or chicken thighs on the grill to finish the week.
I know I'm slow to wake up in the morning, so I cook breakfast the night before, plate it, throw some cling wrap over it and toss it in the fridge. Alarm goes off at 0600, I'm eating a solid meal at 0610.
Impulse eating will be the death of any nutrition plan.
dingdingding!
I spend most of Sunday evening cooking, usually one or two big meals to get me most of the way through the week. Around Wednesday or so I'll cook some simpler stuff like burgers or chicken thighs on the grill to finish the week.
I know I'm slow to wake up in the morning, so I cook breakfast the night before, plate it, throw some cling wrap over it and toss it in the fridge. Alarm goes off at 0600, I'm eating a solid meal at 0610.
Impulse eating will be the death of any nutrition plan.
Posted by: DC in River City at August 11, 2015 11:09 PM (e+1S5)
550
Uhuh........go on......
Posted by: lindafell de Spair at August 11, 2015 10:51 PM (xVgrA)
I've got a large number of good friends I've developed over the past several decades. Almost all of them are connected to Citroen in one way or another. They're scattered all throughout SoCal. There are some in this group I've known for 40 years. These are generally people I can have a difference of opinion with, and still drink beer with 'em. I've spent a lot of time working on the relationships to go with the cars.. I'm not about to just throw all that away. Being sick pretty much all of last year put it all in jeopardy. I'm not happy about that. That's why even though there is some effort on my part, I've started going again, even though it's by train from San Diego and I have to arrange for the dialysis a day (Mon/Wed/Thu instead of Mon/Wed/Fri) early when I go for the weekend.
I warned you it was a long story.
Posted by: lindafell de Spair at August 11, 2015 10:51 PM (xVgrA)
I've got a large number of good friends I've developed over the past several decades. Almost all of them are connected to Citroen in one way or another. They're scattered all throughout SoCal. There are some in this group I've known for 40 years. These are generally people I can have a difference of opinion with, and still drink beer with 'em. I've spent a lot of time working on the relationships to go with the cars.. I'm not about to just throw all that away. Being sick pretty much all of last year put it all in jeopardy. I'm not happy about that. That's why even though there is some effort on my part, I've started going again, even though it's by train from San Diego and I have to arrange for the dialysis a day (Mon/Wed/Thu instead of Mon/Wed/Fri) early when I go for the weekend.
I warned you it was a long story.
Posted by: Bill H at August 11, 2015 11:10 PM (Baojj)
551
I've been on Atkins, with some cheating at times, for many years now. If I stay strict, I lose, slowly. If I cheat a little from time to time, no problem. If I have normal amounts of carbs for several days running, I can feel it in the fit of my clothes.
If I want the Atkins to work better, I make myself eat more fat. There's almost no such thing as too much fat on Atkins.
No coconut oil, though. I hate the taste and texture of the stuff, and it nauseates me. And yet I can eat a half-stick of good unsalted butter with pleasure.
If I want the Atkins to work better, I make myself eat more fat. There's almost no such thing as too much fat on Atkins.
No coconut oil, though. I hate the taste and texture of the stuff, and it nauseates me. And yet I can eat a half-stick of good unsalted butter with pleasure.
Posted by: Splunge at August 11, 2015 11:12 PM (iMxBJ)
552
If you like eggs, and you're not in the city, seek out someone with not too many chickens, ones who wander around eating bugs, and don't have too many other chickens to share the bugs with. You know, the kind of people who put up a small cardboard sign announcing that they have eggs.
The eggs will have yolks that are nearly orange, and will taste like heaven compared to supermarket eggs.
The eggs will have yolks that are nearly orange, and will taste like heaven compared to supermarket eggs.
Posted by: Splunge at August 11, 2015 11:15 PM (iMxBJ)
553
JMO, but the body uses calories by metabolizing blood sugar of the glucose type. It then replaces the blood sugar. What goes on between eating and placing glucose in the blood is very complicated, and not likely to follow the same path in each individual. Stomach, small intestine, large intestine, liver, pancreas, gall bladder, (and a few other things I'm sure I'm missing), are all involved in this process. Therefore, what works for one person may or may not work for someone else.
Posted by: bergerbilder at August 11, 2015 11:18 PM (+jijM)
554
#549: Oh, now I'm getting a craving for the advanced meal plan I occasionally do.
I go to the grocery store, and get a big, cheap beef roast, whatever's in the "buy it now, 'cause we're throwing it out tomorrow" discount section.
I toss that in the crock-pot with half a cup of soy sauce and half a cup of water, and cook it either overnight or during the day while I'm at work.
I then put it in the refrigerator and wait for it to cool, and the grease to form a crust on top. I then remove that crust with a spoon.
I'm left with a lot of meat and some really flavorful aspic. I tear off a hunk of that meat, and add a few spoonfuls of that aspic to a pack of instant ramen (prepared according to the directions on the package).
I go to the grocery store, and get a big, cheap beef roast, whatever's in the "buy it now, 'cause we're throwing it out tomorrow" discount section.
I toss that in the crock-pot with half a cup of soy sauce and half a cup of water, and cook it either overnight or during the day while I'm at work.
I then put it in the refrigerator and wait for it to cool, and the grease to form a crust on top. I then remove that crust with a spoon.
I'm left with a lot of meat and some really flavorful aspic. I tear off a hunk of that meat, and add a few spoonfuls of that aspic to a pack of instant ramen (prepared according to the directions on the package).
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at August 11, 2015 11:19 PM (wKc1L)
555
Jillette says he flavors his veggies with Apple cider vinegar, which seems disgusting to be honest.
Ew. I'm going with butter. Be on the lookout for my diet book. Haha!
Ew. I'm going with butter. Be on the lookout for my diet book. Haha!
Posted by: April at August 11, 2015 11:26 PM (79ZSg)
556
Never skip breakfast.
Still same weight as I was in high school 28 years ago.
Still eat in the same fashion:
Eat like a King for breakfast, prince for lunch and pauper for dinner.
Breakfast: carbos, protein and fat
lunch: carbo+protein OR protein+fat OR carbo+fat (just not all 3)
Dinner: Protein and fat.
NO SNACk after dinner.
Wife lost 35lbs this way.
Still same weight as I was in high school 28 years ago.
Still eat in the same fashion:
Eat like a King for breakfast, prince for lunch and pauper for dinner.
Breakfast: carbos, protein and fat
lunch: carbo+protein OR protein+fat OR carbo+fat (just not all 3)
Dinner: Protein and fat.
NO SNACk after dinner.
Wife lost 35lbs this way.
Posted by: exsanguine at August 11, 2015 11:40 PM (KcAgx)
Posted by: exsanguine at August 11, 2015 11:40 PM (KcAgx)
558
@524
As it stood, I wound up losing my gall bladder due to the zero-fat diet I was on at the beginning.
Sugar is the enemy, not fat. And by sugar I don't mean just desserts, anything that converts to sugar in the body should be avoided, or at the very least, eaten only on rare occasions.
As it stood, I wound up losing my gall bladder due to the zero-fat diet I was on at the beginning.
Sugar is the enemy, not fat. And by sugar I don't mean just desserts, anything that converts to sugar in the body should be avoided, or at the very least, eaten only on rare occasions.
Posted by: Sixkiller at August 12, 2015 12:14 AM (hRytD)
559
I just got back from a grocery store run, to get a roast and cook as I described earlier. It was sounding really good to me, and it is a bit of a pain to go out for lunch in downtown Denver at noon, when most people are trying to get something to eat (I used to go to lunch a couple of hours later, and could do pretty much whatever I wanted at that hour). I've decided to experiment with bringing a lunch of my soy-sauce roast with ramen.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler... Trump/Camacho 2016! at August 12, 2015 12:46 AM (wKc1L)
560
Sugar is the enemy, not fat. And by sugar I don't mean just desserts, anything that converts to sugar in the body should be avoided, or at the very least, eaten only on rare occasions
This.
The occasional apple or potato is fine, but they ain't much different than eating a candy bar or two.
This.
The occasional apple or potato is fine, but they ain't much different than eating a candy bar or two.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 12, 2015 01:17 AM (X9Mnx)
561
Another no shit item for the government
Posted by: Vic at August 12, 2015 05:54 AM (GpgJl)
562
Glucose gets transported into cells via the insulin dependent pumps. What doesn't get transported goes to two places; liver and adipose cells. The liver, for an average person, has about 400 calories of stored "glucose". When fasting, and when the liver is exhausted, "glucose" is derived from adipose cells. The key there is that insulin and norepinephrine are required to bring that back out. So, to lower adipose cell volume, you need to run the liver down and have the shit scared out of you while running away from Jeb Bush, or zombies, whichever you encounter first.
Posted by: Arkindole at August 12, 2015 06:32 AM (xzuNf)
563
Ace,
A lot of people plateau on Atkins after a while.
There are theories that it starves bacteria in the gut, and/or leads to excessive iron. Diet advice seems stupid, yet diet books are always number 1.
A lot of people plateau on Atkins after a while.
There are theories that it starves bacteria in the gut, and/or leads to excessive iron. Diet advice seems stupid, yet diet books are always number 1.
Posted by: Art Jackson at August 12, 2015 07:46 AM (zY/zF)
564
I have been doing IF for over 2 yrs now.
Works great. Losing body weight is all about calorie restriction, and IF helps people do this. It is no magic bullet, but just helps a person know they can control their appetite. I also workout in the fasted state. I am 37 yr old and about 7% BF......
Works great. Losing body weight is all about calorie restriction, and IF helps people do this. It is no magic bullet, but just helps a person know they can control their appetite. I also workout in the fasted state. I am 37 yr old and about 7% BF......
Posted by: Seth at August 12, 2015 08:01 AM (ZZSkG)
565
@Ace post 563
They are not at a plateau per say, they are just eating to many calories.
And carbs are not the enemy they are made out to be, they actually have a place and role in the diet....they are not a required macro, but they are helpful.
Carbs are very good for kicking up the hormone leptin, which is the fat burning hormone, it tells your body to use fat. People who are fat or obese have a ton of leptin in their body, but do to their weight, the signals are muted and the body doesn't respond. Those people who are low in body fat, have very little leptin in their system, so bumping up carbs from time to time will help kick up a leptin response.
They are not at a plateau per say, they are just eating to many calories.
And carbs are not the enemy they are made out to be, they actually have a place and role in the diet....they are not a required macro, but they are helpful.
Carbs are very good for kicking up the hormone leptin, which is the fat burning hormone, it tells your body to use fat. People who are fat or obese have a ton of leptin in their body, but do to their weight, the signals are muted and the body doesn't respond. Those people who are low in body fat, have very little leptin in their system, so bumping up carbs from time to time will help kick up a leptin response.
Posted by: Seth at August 12, 2015 08:14 AM (ZZSkG)
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