So Much Drama in the D-J-T

Roger Stone says he's quit Trump; Trump says he was fired.

"Mr. Trump fired Roger Stone last night. We have a tremendously successful campaign and Roger wanted to use the campaign for his own personal publicity. He has had a number of articles about him recently and Mr. Trump wants to keep the focus of the campaign on how to Make America Great Again," a campaign spokesperson told CNN.
Stone, however, told CNN that he "categorically denies" being fired, and provided what he said was his resignation letter.
"Unfortunately, the current controversies involving personalities and provocative media fights have reached such a high volume that it has distracted attention from your platform and overwhelmed your core message. With this current direction of the candidacy, I no longer can remain involved in your campaign," the letter to Trump says.
Stone added: "I care about you as a friend and wish you well. Be assured I will continue to be vocal and active in the national debate to ensure our nation does not again turn to the failed and distrusted Bush/Clinton families."

RedState, meanwhile, disinvites Donald Trump from their 2015 Gathering.

Conservative commentator Erick Erickson on Friday night disinvited GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump from speaking at an activist conference he is hosting here this weekend, citing disparaging remarks Trump made hours earlier on CNN about Fox News Channel anchor Megyn Kelly.
In an interview with The Washington Post, Erickson said Trump had been scheduled to speak at his RedState gathering on Saturday at the College Football Hall of Fame, but he told Corey Lewandowski, Trump’s campaign manager, about an hour before midnight that Trump was no longer welcome.
Trump’s campaign said in a statement that Erickson’s decision was “another example of weakness through being politically correct. For all the people who were looking forward to Mr. Trump coming, we will miss you. Blame Erick Erickson, your weak and pathetic leader. We’ll now be doing another campaign stop at another location.”
Trump’s CNN interview Friday evening instantly drew controversy and criticism after he said Kelly, one of the moderators of Thursday’s Republican presidential debate in Cleveland, “had blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever.”
On Saturday morning, Trump tweeted that he was referring to Kelly's nose. His campaign also issued a statement, claiming Trump said "whatever" instead of "wherever," again repeating that the reference was to her nose.

I don't support this move by Erick Erickson or RedState. Let me explain.

First of all, there is of course a campaign on the left called "No Platforming." This is coordinated campaign to pressure groups to never invite anyone the Social Justice Warriors don't like to speak -- denying them the platform, hence, "No Platforming."

I think it is extremely short-sighted and contrary to the principles of Free Speech to engage in No Platforming ourselves.

I think it's clear that I'm not a supporter of Donald Trump. I routinely call him crude and boorish, and I don't say that in a friendly way.

However, Donald Trump is a bona-fide political actor, with a real constituency, and, who knows, perhaps even a real agenda, and I cannot support carrying the left's No Platforming tactics against him.

Legitimizing the tactic just guarantees it will be used all the more -- primarily against us.

I also don't think people should freak out over the "out of her eyes or out of her wherever" remark. Trump says he meant her nose. Do I believe him? I don't know either way. I've listened to the remark and I don't hear what I identify as the telltale vocal hints that someone is dropping a double entendre.

Make up a double entendre, like "You need your tires rotated? Yeah I'll rotate your tires for you" and listen to how your voice goes into a stagey, wink-wink Do You Understand What I'm Hinting At? mode.

I don't really hear that in Trump's voice.

Now, honestly, this strikes me as the sort of thing he might say, so I'm also not saying "He didn't mean that."

I'm saying honestly, we don't know with very strong evidence what he meant.

I'm also saying, equally honestly: Who gives a shit?

I am a major fan of Megyn Kelly. It is an unusual thing for a man to have hero worship for a woman -- not because women are not worth being considered heroes, but because no man, obviously, could literally emulate a woman in important ways, absent surgery and societal indulgence -- but I consider Megyn Kelly to be a straight-up superstar and role-model.

I have long been on Team Megyn. I continue to be on Team Megyn. (But being on Team Megyn does not mean I do not have criticisms of her; more on that later.)

As Trump would say of Megyn Kelly: She's a superstar, just fabulous, and incredible woman.

He might also say, correctly: She's tough. She's a killer.

And have no doubt about that last one: Megyn Kelly has guts. She delivered some of the toughest questions to Trump (and others), and she didn't emit an atom of timidity while doing so.

So here's the thing:

As much of a fan of Megyn Kelly's I am, I do not feel as if I should "White Knight" on behalf, nor do I feel that she needs such White Knighting.

Even if Donald Trump did intend to suggest she's on the rag: Oh for God's sakes, who cares.

Why do we continue to wind ourselves up in these childish, fake, contrived trivial microcontroversies?

I think it's for precisely the reason they are in fact trivial microconseversies -- we can spend our time and energy jacking ourselves over nothing.

Beats real work, don't it?

People love the trivial fake non-news news, because it gives them the illusion they're engaging with Real and Serious Issues, when in fact, they're just not.

This is easy peasy nonsense. It's so easy to have a Righteous Opinion over something so absurd.

Now, do I think it's proper or dignified to say of a respected, and properly lauded, newswoman that maybe she's on the rag if she gets a little tetchy in her questions?

No, I don't think it's proper.

But who the hell said we have to spend our lives being Proper at any time?

I had mixed feelings about Megyn Kelly's question at the time, and I still do. Yes, I conceded this was the sort of #WarOnWomen thing that would almost certainly be deployed against Trump by Democrats.

On the other hand, I said, myself, on the podcast, that I thought Megyn Kelly was being a bit of a "little PC bitch" to get into such silliness as name-calling.

Should I be cast out of the movement for that?

It was an attempt at.... I don't want to say a pure joke, because I meant what I was saying, but a lighthearted attempt to suggest that Megyn Kelly was being ticky-tack and Social Justice Warrior-y with this question.

Was "little PC bitch," said in a friendly, giggly tone, too cruel? Too much?

I don't know. I can only note what David Letterman said after his mean joke at Bristol Palin's expense -- "These are just jokes. I can't defend any of these." *

Jokes are inherently unfair. Almost all jokes are exaggerations. If they weren't exaggerations, we wouldn't call them jokes; we'd call them "factual statements."

So yes, in my case, I tried to be a little bit funny and a little bit rude while debating, with myself, the appropriateness of Megyn Kelly's "pigs" question, and I suppose I violated the Rules of Courtly Etiquette by suggesting she was being a bit of a "little PC bitch" by getting into this area.

Frankly, if I had to guess: I would guess that they really wanted to ask about the Ivanka Rape Claim, and the spokesman's very unfortunate claim about marital rape, but decided that would be "too hot," so they thought "What else could we ask along those lines?" and they came up with this as a compromise.

What we are doing here is feeding the beast here. This beast is the Outrage Beast, and it will eat each of us in turn unless we begin starving it so that it becomes weaker, smaller, and more manageable.

The "Eek! A Mouse!" crap is inherently censorious. How many times a week can we really be Outraged!!! by an off-color or unfair remark?

The rules of the game we are currently playing -- and we should not be playing it -- is that we must bring down the Social Disapproval of anyone who steps out of line, because, after all, if we don't destroy that person and publicly shame him and deny him a platform, his behavior "reflects on us."

That is complete bullshit. I used to say that myself, but a long time ago Warden and/or Empire of Jeff told me what silly little PC bitch I was being in trying to patrol the speech of complete strangers to make sure all of it was in complete accordance with the standards of Upwardly Mobile Middle Class Propriety.

In particular, I was getting on that idiot old biddy who asked McCain if Obama was a "terrorist" at a rally. I got very upset, very Little PC Bitch, shouting at Invisible Enemies that you must keep a polite mouth on you, lest The Cause be damaged, because everyone's speech reflects on everyone else.

No it does not.

If you accept that any action or speech by any other person "reflects on you," that puts you into quite a bind: Because, in order to keep from any other person's speech from "reflecting on you," you must yourself take your turn as The Censor, and, have no doubt either -- you must also take your turn as The Censored as well.

No one's actions or speech reflects on you but your own. Well, okay, your spouse reflects on you, and your kids, and your closest friends.

And that's it. No one should ever worry that speech by some Random Stranger from Jerkwater Flats "reflects on him."

That is how our Inner Censor gets its justification for censoring some people.

I think speech should be met with speech. Trump's speech was -- assuming he meant what he may or may not have meant -- boorish and crude. It also, sure, was a "gendered" attack on woman.

Can we not use our words to express our displeasure with this statement then?

Do we all collectively believe words to be such insignificant things that they are simply altogether inadequate for purposes of self-expression?

And that, then, if we wish to express ourselves, we must put our silly insignificant words to one side and engage in real communication, actions, that is, non-speech, consisting of coordinated ostracism, no platforming, and all the rest of it?

Everyone online -- including commenters -- is a Writer. Even YouTubers are writers.

Why are Writers so contemptuous of the power of Words?

If you find Trump's comments and their alleged meaning crass, boorish, ugly, and ungallant -- why is simply saying so dismissed as so inadequate to that end? **

One last point, a short one: I am also tired of our Cohort's endless fascination with Political Celebrities. This is yet another dispute in which people quickly stop talking about ideas -- things like probity, decorum, actual equality of the sexes (i.e., should Megyn Kelly be granted any special protection? No one complained when Trump called Frank Luntz a loser slob), proportion and freedom of expression in order to get to what really interests us -- selecting which Political Celebrity, Megyn Kelly or Donald Trump, is our Fave Rave, as Tiger Beat used to say.

Again, I am on Megyn Kelly's side if the question is who I would like people to think of when they think of my cohort. She's classy, unlike Trump, she's bright as hell, she's articulate, and yes, she's pretty easy to look at .

But this is not really about "Megyn Kelly vs. Donald Trump" -- or rather, it is that, but only in the lowest, basest, easiest way.

We seem to talk a lot about our "ideas" and how ideas matter, but then we spend an awful lot of time demonstrating we don't believe that at all.

My Criticism of Megyn Kelly: Trump claimed the litany of insults he dropped on women (and why weren't his many, many insults of men discussed? seems to suggest he's an Equal Opportunity Asshole, not a misogynist) were about Rosie O'Donnell.

Megyn Kelly said that wasn't true -- that the remarks she read went "well beyond" the Rosie O"Donnel Matter.

Well, I linking Vox (and I can't believe I'm linking Vox), I don't know about that "well beyond" thing. It is true that several of the insults did not involve Rosie O'Donnell -- but most of them were about Rosie O'Donnell, and some of the ones not involving her (such as Trump calling a woman he was apparently in some kind of lawsuit with "disgusting") rely on one interested party's claims.

The one about Trump saying it would be a pretty picture to see a Playboy Bunny on her knees?

Well, I wouldn't say that of my accountant, but if a woman is in the business of posing sexily for men, I don't think that kind of comment is the worst possible thing.

It's not a classy thing to say, and no woman likes the sexual attentions of a man she doesn't herself have an interest in.

But ugly, unappealing guys don't necessarily know they're ugly and unappealing, and the rule can't be that they should just know they can never drop a double-entendre with a woman.

That said: Seriously, Guys, don't drop double-entendres with women plainly beyond your Romantic Kickstarter Reach Goals. You will make them uncomfortable and get labeled an Ugly Creepster. Always make sure you have a genuine flirtatious rapport with a woman before saying anything with more than one entendre to it.

In short, while Kelly is technically right that the comments included some not involving Rosie O'Donnell, I think her claim that the comments went "well beyond" O'Donnell is, how do I put this, Trumped up.

I think they just went on the lookout for non Rosie comments, and couldn't find many, thus necessitating including that lawyer's claim about him calling her "disgusting."

Personally, I would never included such a quote from an interested party, especially where I didn't know the context.

The Gail Collins thing -- oy vey, that one's.... well, I don't know about "misogynist," but it is a window into Donald Trump's soul.

Criticisms aside -- and my long-held belief that she's always going to be a voice of the Establishment -- I think she's a superstar.

But I don't put her on a pedestal, because no one should be on a pedestal, except maybe your parents, spouse, and children. (And even there -- I don't know about that.)

* I wrote about this at some length (shocker, huh?) in the Limbaugh/Fluke matter.

** For example, if Red State editors signed a group letter criticizing Trump and reminding them that many consider courtliness and manners to be part of conservativism (that bit about the conservation of civilization), that would have sufficed.

In addition, Trump would have, no doubt, immediately have canceled out of the event (calling you "fat slobs and losers," naturally).

So even if you were looking to not have Trump present -- I think simply criticizing him would have achieved that.

Posted by: Ace at 07:06 PM

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1 In italics, in italics, ain't we got fun

Posted by: Vendette at August 08, 2015 07:07 PM (keGpD)

2 Well said, ace. Basically my position: this is SJW crap and it's wrong.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 08, 2015 07:08 PM (yrHD6)

3 Hats off Ace.
Megyn needs a Mydol.

Posted by: Superflex at August 08, 2015 07:10 PM (hyYAU)

4
Rush will [quietly] part ways with Erickson over this stunt. It was a stunt, btw.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 07:11 PM (g5End)

5
Please continue enjoy my mid-life crisis in blog form

Posted by: Erick "RedState" Erickson

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 08, 2015 07:11 PM (kdS6q)

6 Meghan (how she spelled it back then) was on the Howard Stern Show back in the day and said things that would make a conservatives head spin.
She says what she is told to say, Period.
She's just one of Roger and Rupert's flying monkeys, with tits and a nice smile.

Posted by: Superflex at August 08, 2015 07:12 PM (hyYAU)

7
This is why Democrats will win easily in 2016 and forever after.

While obama is a traitor and a monarch and a dictator, we're over bickering like idiots over the most trivial offenses.

We're turning into Venezuela and we're more worried about who said what on twitter.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 07:13 PM (g5End)

8 I consider myself neutral on the topic of whether tv news personalities are quality human beings or not, because pretty much as long as they remain tv news personalities, they look like whores to me.

Although I'm sure many of them are not, in fact, whores.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 08, 2015 07:14 PM (Dj0WE)

9 I hope this blows up in Erickson's face. He annoys me.

Posted by: Weasel at August 08, 2015 07:14 PM (e3bId)

10 Meghan's comments on Howard Stern
http://tinyurl.com/q9jnj5c

Posted by: Superflex at August 08, 2015 07:15 PM (hyYAU)

11
That said, I think she's a superstar.

Dummy. You shoulda said it in Italian!

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 07:15 PM (g5End)

12 ACE, THANK YOU!

You get it.
Great post.

Posted by: @votermom at August 08, 2015 07:16 PM (cbfNE)

13 I think it's counterproductive, too. The sort of support Trump has isn't going to be dampened by official scolding and tut-tutting. It'll only feed the alienation among the base. So Trump is being "dumped", "shunned", "disinvited" by the Nicely-Nicely Johnsons running the GOP? It'll only remind people that they too have essentially been treated like the deformed child locked in the basement when company comes over, for years now.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at August 08, 2015 07:16 PM (VBbCO)

14 Did n e 1 else think RedState was conservative?
I sure didn't.

Posted by: Grant in West Concord, MN at August 08, 2015 07:16 PM (+TK8j)

15 Ummm...it's a little taxing when it takes that long to get through content. FWIW, I hate wading into this party B.S. I feel like I'm getting all teared up at Masterpiece Kabuki Theater Presents: "Trump l'Oiel, Fished You in Again, Ididot"

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 08, 2015 07:16 PM (5buP8)

16 "Even if Donald Trump did intend to suggest she's on the rag: Oh for God's sakes, who cares."

This may be the most important effect of the Trump carnival...that he is actually pushing back on the timidity of our candidates.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 08, 2015 07:16 PM (Zu3d9)

17
Benjy Sarlin BenjySarlin
Huh. @EWErickson says Ben Carson to was not invited to RS because he didn't like that Carson focused on himself at event for disabled vets.

Erick going all Leslie Gore.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 08, 2015 07:17 PM (kdS6q)

18 I think we should put Megyn Kelly up on a pedestal so we can look up her skirt.

But, you know what, I don't buy the Trump thing as SJW hoohah.

There is a difference between being un-PC and being crude.

If you wanna be President, you should be Presidential. Not just the biggest bag of wind.

Posted by: blaster at August 08, 2015 07:17 PM (2Ocf1)

19 (l'oeil)

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 08, 2015 07:17 PM (5buP8)

20 >>>Meghan's comments on Howard Stern
http://tinyurl.com/q9jnj5c

so we're going to impose some kind of dumb censoriousness on Megyn Kelly instead of Trump?

Who cares? Megyn Kelly was asked about sex and half-answered (with a lot of evasions).

What does it matter?

Is everything a political campaign where all we do is Pick a Target and Freeze It?

Posted by: Paolo What's Inside Your Wife at August 08, 2015 07:17 PM (dciA+)

21 I do think it's cute though, the Trump/campaign staffer spat.

On the one hand you have Team Trump accusing the guy of using the campaign for his own aggrandizement. You have the campaign staffer accusing Team Trump of somehow going off message, and losing their principles.

Ummm, yeah. Gonna go with Team Trump on this one. Since when did campaign staffers ever care about principles? If it's not about the money, it's about how they will parlay this gig into the next one.

Burt's final truth rating: Team Trump's claims partially true. The soulless campaign staffer's claims, almost completely false.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 08, 2015 07:17 PM (Dj0WE)

22
Erickson and his Redstate blog is "establishment" conservative.

Erickson's a house conservative, if you get my drift.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 07:17 PM (g5End)

23 Is everything a political campaign where all we do is Pick a Target and Freeze It?

Seems that way, yes. :^(

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 08, 2015 07:18 PM (OSs/l)

24 >>If you wanna be President, you should be Presidential. Not just the biggest bag of wind.

that's an argument, sure, but I'm not sure I'd buy into No Platforming on that basis.

Trump is not my cup of tea. I want to be clear on this. I probably agree with the anti-Trump people 88%.

I disagree over procedural stuff like this.

Posted by: Paolo What's Inside Your Wife at August 08, 2015 07:19 PM (dciA+)

25
What does it matter?

It matters because it shows that Megyn Kelly's new fake persona on Fox is to be the sanctimonious finger-waggerer.

Kelly is Fox News' Nancy Grace.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 07:19 PM (g5End)

26
Rush will [quietly] part ways with Erickson over this stunt. It was a stunt, btw.

--

Mebbe replace him with Ace.

Posted by: @votermom at August 08, 2015 07:19 PM (cbfNE)

27 >>>This may be the most important effect of the Trump carnival...that he is actually pushing back on the timidity of our candidates.

i don't like that formulation at all. I don't think that being a douche proves "guts," or being respectful and civil is "timidity."

Posted by: Paolo What's Inside Your Wife at August 08, 2015 07:20 PM (dciA+)

28 ITA, Ace.

And who is eating this up?
The MSM and the Left. Because we're not talking about what a freakshow any of the Dem candidates are.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 08, 2015 07:20 PM (NOIQH)

29
Benjy Sarlin BenjySarlin

Erickson just got some boos for denouncing Trump supporters ... Message here has gone from "Trump is channeling anger!" to racists drawn to Trump "like moth to a flame" who will "burn all of us"

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 08, 2015 07:20 PM (kdS6q)

30
Karl Rove has had an almost constant presence on Fux Nooz for over a decade now. They may have been a pro Republican network but they have never been pro conservative or even fair to conservative opinion, Sean Hannity notwithstanding.

Megyn Kelly's and Chris Wallace's behavior on Thursday was planned by the very top of that network.

They are as much a part of perpetuating the statist system as any other mainstream network.

Sad to say, but it's true.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2015 07:20 PM (St6BJ)

31 Posted by: Paolo What's Inside Your Wife at August 08, 2015 07:20 PM (dciA+)

Exactly.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 08, 2015 07:21 PM (OSs/l)

32 I'm also saying, equally honestly: Who gives a shit?
---------

Afuckingmen.

Posted by: Mr. Healthy Penis at August 08, 2015 07:21 PM (HstNY)

33 ..."little PC bitch,"...

If only periodically she was bitchy one might assume daDonald was implying
a vulgarity; however she's always on it.

Posted by: Ralph at August 08, 2015 07:21 PM (KtxUt)

34 Erick Erickson is a politically correct mewling quim.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 08, 2015 07:21 PM (NaeCR)

35 I put you on a ped-a-stool, Mr. Spades.

Stay.

Posted by: @PeeteySDee at August 08, 2015 07:21 PM (t0i+Y)

36 This is fun to watch though. All the usual suspects, acting as if they are going to be the one who takes Trump down.

Listen dummies, pay attention. Only one guy can take Trump down, and that's Trump. The more you cluck your tongues at him, the stronger he gets. You can either feed into his popularity by keeping up your clucking, or you can sit back and watch him implode.

He's going to implode. Heck, he's already in the process of imploding, but if you want to get Trump stank on yourself, keep being his foil.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 08, 2015 07:21 PM (Dj0WE)

37 >>>I think it's counterproductive, too. The sort of support Trump has isn't going to be dampened by official scolding and tut-tutting. It'll only feed the alienation among the base. So Trump is being "dumped", "shunned", "disinvited" by the Nicely-Nicely Johnsons running the GOP? It'll only remind people that they too have essentially been treated like the deformed child locked in the basement when company comes over, for years now.

i would have said that too except I'd already hit my tenth "And one more thing"

this plays precisely into the Gatekeeper Narrative. Whether the gatekeepers are on the left or right, they're still gatekeepers, and the people kept out of the gates are pissed off (and with good reason).

Posted by: Paolo What's Inside Your Wife at August 08, 2015 07:21 PM (dciA+)

38
Next week from the Republican simps: Trump must quit because he's a distraction for us distracting from the issues real people care about!

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 07:22 PM (g5End)

39 Another point: this is 'dog whistle' sexism. This is 100% a lefty thing.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 08, 2015 07:22 PM (yrHD6)

40 Great post, btw.

Huge, even.

Posted by: @PeeteySDee at August 08, 2015 07:22 PM (t0i+Y)

41 Trump IMO should have not cried "Megyn was mean to me" however he said it. But since I don't trust him and think he is giving the MFM an excuse to ignore the GOP candidates I might like if he implodes its a good thing.

Megyn resorting to "misogynist" to respond hurts her cred with me. I don't know if she is even conservative in her worldview and don't care as long as she doesn't give dems a pass on answering questions like so many in media think is a religious obligation to gaia or whatever they worship. But crying "you weren't nicer to me than to the boys" --that is weak sauce.

Posted by: PaleRider at August 08, 2015 07:23 PM (iA/+T)

42 I rewatched the debate today, and I just can't lose the creepy feeling I just watched a tuckily choreographed Jerry Springer show.

Posted by: Juicer at August 08, 2015 07:24 PM (4l5CN)

43 My short attention span made me stop a quarter of the way through. I'll go make some coffee.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 08, 2015 07:24 PM (rwI+c)

44 We're turning into Venezuela and we're more worried about who said what on twitter.
Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 07:13 PM

For the most part, we can place the blame for that squarely on the GOPe and its whiny li'l bitch candidates. When they are told by the Democrats and the MFM (but I repeat myself) that Trump is Toast, they're all eager to pile on show that they can be as prissy and bitchy as, well, Megyn Kelley.

The Donald needn't worry. To steal a line (reworked) from Lenny Bruce: being kicked out of the GOP is like being drummed out of the Book-of-the-Month Club.

If any of the candidates weren't prepared to be co-opted by the machine that gave us Choom Boy, they would open their pathetic yaps and whinge about him, though I'm afraid the effect would be less telling on him than it is on Trump.

Trump is the Last Man Standing when it comes to telling the truth. If he tells it in a way that the Establishment political hacks and self-centered media don't like, so be it. Skroom, as dey say in Noo Tawk.

I hope this ends a few candidacies, as well as the "careers" of Erick Erikson, the Corpulent "Captain" and other sleazebag Party Faithful who won't abandon their cushy party, even when it is incapable of fighting America's Worst Enemy.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 08, 2015 07:24 PM (0atQl)

45 Didn't read Ace's rant. Roger Stone is a RINO bag of shit.

http://tinyurl.com/nf6wna4

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 08, 2015 07:24 PM (0FSuD)

46
Been raggin' me all day long. Guess that's another impermissible phrase.

Posted by: Ralph at August 08, 2015 07:24 PM (KtxUt)

47 i stopped watching Fox News years ago. One of the reasons was that Megywyn Kelly was being pushed all over the place. I never liked her. Sure, she's pretty hot - though her face is cock-eyed, for some reason - but she was always arrogant about opinions that were, often, dumb and incorrect. Of course, I left Fox long before they really pushed her to be on the screen half the day.

For me, Shannon Bream was always the best Fox babe - and she was a classy, intelligent woman. Megywyn isn't very smart though she certainly is convinced that she is. And Courtney Friel really blows Megywyn away, too. Fox should have had her always somewhere on the screen.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 08, 2015 07:24 PM (MYSVz)

48 Posted by: Paolo What's Inside Your Wife at August 08, 2015 07:20 PM (dciA+)

Being a douche is tacky. But showing contempt for the concept that any deviation from the orthodoxy is grounds for immediate destruction is a very good thing, and Trump is good at it.

He is still a douchebag and a loudmouth though.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 08, 2015 07:24 PM (Zu3d9)

49 Mentioned this earlier, but CNN played a clip of Erickson at the Redstate thingy reading something Donal da, complete with grimace, disappointing headshake, and spelling out naughty words "w-h-o-r-e" for dramatic effect.
Tsk tsk, Donald!!!

My exact thoughts were:
A. What a pompous asshole (Erickson)
B. Why is he not doing this drama while reading the Iran deal, or illegal alien crime states, or some other Obama clusterfcuk?

Posted by: Lizzy at August 08, 2015 07:24 PM (NOIQH)

50 Two words: Poor judgement.

Kelly got suckered into it, and Trump is a bona fide master of it. Meh.

Everybody loses. Move on, jackwagons.

Posted by: Fritz at August 08, 2015 07:24 PM (o/UmK)

51 i grew up with 3 brothers..... i'm just not offended easily......

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 08, 2015 07:24 PM (0O7c5)

52 Nice little website you have there, Eric.

It'd be a shame if anything happened to it.

Posted by: The Mitch McConnell Mafia at August 08, 2015 07:24 PM (oVJmc)

53 i don't like that formulation at all. I don't think that being a douche proves "guts," or being respectful and civil is "timidity."

Posted by: Paolo What's Inside Your Wife at August 08, 2015 07:20 PM (dciA+)

Except the one guy in this race who would benefit from being a lot less respectful and civil, Ted Cruz, is being too respectful and civil.

So we have to count on Trump to do it. And of course he crosses the line. He has no line.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 08, 2015 07:25 PM (Dj0WE)

54 So, ace saw a movie this weekend?
Did he like it?

Posted by: Chi at August 08, 2015 07:25 PM (8uUK+)

55
I mean, as I wrote in the morning thread, they had a tremendous audience and opportunity to actually reach a vast number of LIV's and uninformed others with the facts about SCOAMF, Democrats and the past 6.5 years.

And the second question out of the box was Rosie O'Donnell.

Fox may very well have done serious damage to their brand. I for one will not watch them (I have no cable anyway), but for setting the table for the real leftist media to bash our candidates is inexcusable.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2015 07:25 PM (St6BJ)

56 Erickson seems to have forgotten that we despise the media, Fox included.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at August 08, 2015 07:25 PM (ktt8p)

57 Someone tell me did ace like the movie or not?

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 08, 2015 07:26 PM (0FSuD)

58 Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Erick Erickson the one who originally got the vapors over the word "cuckservative"?

I don't care if it's used by white supremacists. They also use the words "cat" and "dog" as well.

It is a perfect term to describe establishment Republicans who are scared of their own shadows, and will say and do anything to avoid being called "racist".

And they will still be called racist anyway.

Posted by: rickl at August 08, 2015 07:26 PM (sdi6R)

59 my take on the megyn v. trump

alpha female met alpha male.....carry on

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 08, 2015 07:26 PM (0O7c5)

60 Megyn asked and was answered.

Tough shit if she didn't like the answer.

She wants to have her cake and eat it, too.

Must be nice.

Posted by: Bearded Spock at August 08, 2015 07:26 PM (MQEz6)

61 Funny, Megyn's the one woman I used to admire on Fox a lot at the beginning. I thought she was a superstar, too. Then, over time, lost respect for her. Way before this debate. I simply cannot watch her.

Trump keeps saying over and over, this country is in such bad shape, and this is the shit we keep talking about. He's got that right.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 08, 2015 07:26 PM (qCMvj)

62 I tweeted this earlier today.

https://twitter.com/PeeteySDee/status/630053985320333312

You gotta see the picture. It's a hoot.

Bottom line, the GOPe is creating the circus in order to boost their own status as champions.

But check out the photo.

Posted by: @PeeteySDee at August 08, 2015 07:26 PM (t0i+Y)

63 >>>Fox may very well have done serious damage to their brand. I for one will not watch them (I have no cable anyway), but for setting the table for the real leftist media to bash our candidates is inexcusable.

fine but... you know, at the point where you're saying 'Even fox news is too biased against me and asks my candidates questions that are just too hard!," you're really starting to sound like a boy who cries wolf a lot.

Posted by: Paolo What's Inside Your Wife at August 08, 2015 07:26 PM (dciA+)

64 @54

Hey, great minds think a like. Wonder what movie he went to?

Posted by: Nip Sip at August 08, 2015 07:27 PM (0FSuD)

65
Fox dames with gravitas = Amy Kellogg and Jennifer Griffin. They really do excellent grunt work out in the field with guts and class.

Have not seen them in ages, but that was my impression before I cut the cable 3 years ago now.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2015 07:27 PM (St6BJ)

66 Megyn Kelly was that super hot chick who always chatted you up in English 101. You thought you had a shot at her, until you realized she liked poaching the way you diagrammed sentences.
Carly was the chick you scored with, then kicked yourself for not hanging onto.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 08, 2015 07:27 PM (5buP8)

67 now i don't really watch fox (except for megyn kelly, on occasion) and I think it's a shit channel overall and corporate and establishment and dumbing down america, so i can't tell anyone not watching it as a bad idea (watch as little tv as you can, I say), but to now say even FOX is just too hostile a forum for our candidates...

that begins to sound very bitchy-whiney too.

Posted by: Paolo What's Inside Your Wife at August 08, 2015 07:28 PM (dciA+)

68 I don't think that being a douche proves "guts," or being respectful and civil is "timidity."
Posted by: Paolo What's Inside Your Wife at August 08, 2015 07:20 PM

When being "respectful and civil" leads to "impeachment is off the table" and sniveling goons like Corker, Boehner and McConnell, I'll take the douche every time.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 08, 2015 07:28 PM (0atQl)

69 So, should I pay to see this movie or wait for to show up on cable?

Posted by: Ostral B Heretic at August 08, 2015 07:28 PM (5zyvn)

70 I can't believe how often I agree with your assessment of things! And you say then so much more clever than I would. No wonder I check this blog several times a day and recommend it to everyone I talk to about politics!

Posted by: Auntie Doodles at August 08, 2015 07:28 PM (0wXj2)

71
20 We should ask Mr. Moo Moo
Niled it on this post...again

Posted by: MAx at August 08, 2015 07:28 PM (LAliD)

72
Megyn Kelly

I have a niece who said, "Boy's can't hit girls, but girls can hit boys!", then slugged her male cousin.

Pretty much the same thing.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 08, 2015 07:28 PM (kdS6q)

73 My understanding was that Kelly went after Trump hard while ignoring the RINO candidates. Fox has always liked them some RINOs and love their "establishment" candidates. They are pushing Jebbie the Hut this time.

Posted by: Vic at August 08, 2015 07:29 PM (GpgJl)

74
I don't care if it's used by white supremacists.

That's the Big Lie, though. They, supposedly, at one time, used the phrase 'cuckold,' so that made, according to some idiots, the prefix cuck- automatically racist forever.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 07:30 PM (g5End)

75 Seriously, what do you think the political half-life of this "controversy" will be?

Posted by: Weasel at August 08, 2015 07:30 PM (e3bId)

76 The threat Trump is, the only threat Trump is, is running 3rd party.
Trump has got the money and attitude to do run 3rd party, he will not win but I will assure a Hillary win.

Trump runs 3rd party Hillary wins.

Posted by: Ralph at August 08, 2015 07:30 PM (KtxUt)

77

Earlier I called Erickson a coward.

I stand by my claim.

What a coward.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 08, 2015 07:30 PM (qCMvj)

78 CAN I POINT OUT THAT THE FRONT-RUNNER IN THE OTHER PARTY IS ACCUSED OF COMMITTING MAJOR FELONIES AND BREACHES OF NATIONAL SECURITY AS WELL AS PROFLIGATE GRAFT AND ALL THE TALKING HEADS WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THAT MR. MEANY-MAN ISN'T PROPER PRESIDENTIAL MATERIAL???

Posted by: The Mitch McConnell Mafia at August 08, 2015 07:31 PM (oVJmc)

79 They are pushing Jebbie the Hut this time. Posted by: Vic at August 08, 2015 07:29 PM

What do you expect from the network that had Huckabee, and still has Sheppie-Poo, Juan Williams and Gerry Rivers?

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 08, 2015 07:31 PM (0atQl)

80 unsock.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 08, 2015 07:31 PM (oVJmc)

81 So Megyn asked Trump about off-color comments he made in the middle of a twitter slap-fight, and she end up getting into a little verbal slap-fight w/Trump. We're supposed to feel sorry for one of them? I'm on team no one.

However, the Erickson's grandstanding irked me the most. It's like he's proud of himself for sending Trump into the briar patch.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 08, 2015 07:32 PM (NOIQH)

82 They are pushing Jebbie the Hut this time.

Posted by: Vic at August 08, 2015 07:29 PM (GpgJl)

I only watched about 15 minutes of that "debate" but Jeb looked like a retarded deer on the highway. And he sounded like it, too.

I would never have considered Jeb for anything, anyhow, based on his idiotic anti-nation-state views ... but, man, he was just pathetic.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 08, 2015 07:32 PM (MYSVz)

83
And The Atlantic has a new interview with Erickson up today:

Q: Who do you like in the presidential field?

I'm friends with so many of them. I do like Jeb Bush -- I have always liked him and I will not stop liking him.

Severely conservative.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 08, 2015 07:32 PM (kdS6q)

84
Trump runs 3rd party Hillary wins.

And if he doesn't...

clinton wins.

TRUMP'S GONNA RUIN IT ALL FOR MY DEAR SWEET REPUBLICANS!!

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 07:32 PM (g5End)

85 Ask a tough question and be ready for a tough answer.

Also be ready for more shit later.

Megyn, you are not above it all and people are allowed to punch back, even at you.

America is being raped and the folks doing the raping want us to chase squirrels and watch football like good little serfs.

Posted by: Bearded Spock at August 08, 2015 07:33 PM (MQEz6)

86 now i don't really watch fox (except for megyn kelly, on occasion) and I think it's a shit channel overall and corporate and establishment and dumbing down america, so i can't tell anyone not watching it as a bad idea (watch as little tv as you can, I say), but to now say even FOX is just too hostile a forum for our candidates...

that begins to sound very bitchy-whiney too.

Posted by: Paolo What's Inside Your Wife at August 08, 2015 07:28 PM (dciA+)

Yeah, I would hope anyone who is complaining that Faux Nooz made their guy look bad should consider the possibility that your guy made HIMSELF look bad.

And I say "guy" because the consensus seems to be, although I didn't see it, that the one person who consistently looked good was Carly Fioriana.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 08, 2015 07:33 PM (Dj0WE)

87 Trump runs 3rd party Hillary wins.

And how is this worse than Jeb?

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at August 08, 2015 07:33 PM (ktt8p)

88 However, the Erickson's grandstanding irked me the most. It's like he's proud of himself for sending Trump into the briar patch.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 08, 2015 07:32 PM

He doesn't get to spend much time out of Mommy's Basement, so this was a chance for him to get in the Spotlight.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 08, 2015 07:33 PM (0atQl)

89 Kelly and Trump were both out of line, imo.

Thing is, Trump screwed up more here. He had the opportunity to get people talking about how he was the tough survivor who successfully fought off an attempt to mug him by the moderators during the debate. But instead, everyone's only going to be talking about how crude his post-debate comment was.

And no one's going to care that Kelly said anything to him.

Posted by: junior at August 08, 2015 07:34 PM (3uPSc)

90 >>Trump runs 3rd party Hillary wins.

Aaaaand Erickson's actions are what will push Trump to go 3rd party.

WINNING!!

Posted by: Lizzy at August 08, 2015 07:34 PM (NOIQH)

91 Forty Four minutes before Cruz gets a question.

Posted by: Ralph at August 08, 2015 07:34 PM (KtxUt)

92 Cruz is the one. Anything that makes that more likely is good.

Walker is also tolerable.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 08, 2015 07:34 PM (rwI+c)

93
The only reasons why the Republicans will lose in 2016 against a criminal to replace a criminal warlord [obama] is on account they Suck.

The Republicans don't have a Trump problem, they have a Republican problem.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 07:35 PM (g5End)

94 I think we should put Megyn Kelly up on a pedestal so we can look up her skirt.

Posted by: blaster at August 08, 2015 07:17 PM (2Ocf1)

No thanks, that perspective would only make her chin look bigger.

The opposite perspective, looking down, is better as it enhances her heavy duty false lash pronstar eye make-up.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 08, 2015 07:35 PM (NaeCR)

95 However, the Erickson's grandstanding irked me the most. It's like he's proud of himself for sending Trump into the briar patch.

It was white-knighting. We're to believe he was so outrageously outraged that he broadcast the statement everywhere.

All we need is a bunch of 'conservatives are dead' articles and this is EXACTLY like a year ago.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 08, 2015 07:35 PM (yrHD6)

96
Allahpundit
Trump set for four of the five Sunday shows tomorrow. The only one he's not scheduled for (yet): Fox News Sunday

We report, you decide.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 08, 2015 07:36 PM (kdS6q)

97 And I say "guy" because the consensus seems to
be, although I didn't see it, that the one person who consistently
looked good was Carly Fioriana.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 08, 2015 07:33 PM

Until she jumped on Megyn GOOD! Trump BAD! bandwagon, I was almost beginning to have some respect for her.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 08, 2015 07:36 PM (0atQl)

98 I am glad that Erickson disinvited him. I'll say it. Yeah, the whole thing is overblown. Yeah, everyone involved needs to pull up their panties and move on. I have no problem with Erickson deciding that general assholishness is a disqualifier from extending an invitation to speak at his event.

With Trump you are damned if you do, damned if you don't.
I think his boorish treatment of women is a valid line of questioning because if (God Forbid) he's the candidate it will be a line of attack from his opponent.

You can be combative without being a jerk, vigorous without being an asshat. I am not sure that Trump is capable of being anything other than an asshat.

Posted by: tms at August 08, 2015 07:36 PM (gQHeD)

99 As I said in an earlier thread, Erick Erickson can eat a bag of dicks.

I personally don't give a shit what he thinks about anything.

Posted by: rickl at August 08, 2015 07:36 PM (sdi6R)

100 "That said, I think she's a superstar.

But I don't put her on a pedestal, because no one should be on a pedestal"

Oh, OK. It was putting her on a pedestal that fooled us.

I agree with the comment earlier to the effect that Trump isn't the candidate we need, he's the asshole the GOP establishment deserves. He's not the man to save us, but he is a consequence of the GOP lying every election and giving their base the back of its hand again and again. They created his candidacy, not us.

It is also true that the Fox moderators, prominantly including Megyn Kelly, were revealed as GOP establishment tools and really, not moderators at all. They carried out their orders and treated the various candidates quite differently. Transparent and utterly inappropriate agenda. Bad show.

Posted by: Semi-Literate Thug at August 08, 2015 07:36 PM (/f6Nd)

101 *wonders if in a 'debate', someone will ask the Dem candidates to raise their hands if they will eschew Socialist policies*

Posted by: Mike Hammer, Hardliner at August 08, 2015 07:36 PM (9mTYi)

102 78 CAN I POINT OUT THAT THE FRONT-RUNNER IN THE OTHER PARTY IS ACCUSED OF COMMITTING MAJOR FELONIES AND BREACHES OF NATIONAL SECURITY AS WELL AS PROFLIGATE GRAFT AND ALL THE TALKING HEADS WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THAT MR. MEANY-MAN ISN'T PROPER PRESIDENTIAL MATERIAL???

Ahem, because all the LIVS and ABCBSMSNBCBBS care about is getting Billy Jeff back in their cross-hairs for more idiot hi jinks. They could give a rat's ass about Sir Edmund Hillary! All that matters at this point: More ink spilled, more pixels illuminated, more clicks counted.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 08, 2015 07:36 PM (5buP8)

103 Trump will go third party if he has support that is denied by the Party.

So here's a solution, GOP candidates: Win over his support. Because if you just cut Trump off, you'll cut off his support, too, and they'll go with him to that mythical third party.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 08, 2015 07:37 PM (oVJmc)

104 Apparently Allies congratulated the debate team for a job well done, so they're being applauded, I suppose, for not giving equal time to all the candidates and for trying to bait Trump-.

Hooray for them-NOT.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 08, 2015 07:37 PM (OSs/l)

105 The Republicans don't have a Trump problem, they have a Republican problem.

+1

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 08, 2015 07:37 PM (rwI+c)

106 My understanding was that Kelly went after Trump hard while ignoring the RINO candidates. Fox has always liked them some RINOs and love their "establishment" candidates. They are pushing Jebbie the Hut this time.
Posted by: Vic at August 08, 2015 07:29 PM (GpgJl)

Pretty much. It was "Mr. Trump, why are you such a big jerk?" And "Mr. Cruz, are you a crazy religious whacko or what?" Followed by "Mr. Rubio, your hair sure looks nice."

So as I said earlier, if your candidate didn't look good throughout this process, you can rag on Faux Nooz if you like, but maybe wag a finger at your candidate while you're at it.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 08, 2015 07:37 PM (Dj0WE)

107
Did you hear the answers at those debates?

"I'm gonna fix welfare by creating jobs! And don't worry, everyone, I'm not gonna cut you off welfare!"

What a bunch of chumps...who take us for chumps. You're gonna create jobs, my ass.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 07:37 PM (g5End)

108 For Scankles to win she must first get the nomination and that is not going to happen. Jarjar and Bama will make sure she is in jail where she actually does belong.

Posted by: Vic at August 08, 2015 07:37 PM (GpgJl)

109 Until she jumped on Megyn GOOD! Trump BAD! bandwagon, I was almost beginning to have some respect for her.

Yep. She jumped on a dog whistle sexism charge. She'd suck as president.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 08, 2015 07:37 PM (yrHD6)

110 Erickson's a house conservative, if you get my drift.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a
glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 07:17 PM (g5End)

A salad / dressing?

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 08, 2015 07:38 PM (NaeCR)

111 Trump is saying the right stuff.
A guy that rich can pay for accurate polls.
Will he pledge to undo the last 4 Congresses, and all the Flybait-mouth EOs? Forego SS protection (pace PJ O'Rourke) in all venues with clear shots under a thousand yards?
Wut ahm lookin' 4.

Posted by: 1 of many Amos Singletary-types, way out here, who evaded you fucking Loyalist bichez in the NE: Rif at August 08, 2015 07:38 PM (+TK8j)

112 Not a Trump guy but I appreciate him bringing up the illegal immigrants.
Megan I wrote yesterday and saw another article about her being a slight lefty. I don't mind her asking tough questions and hope she gets a crack at some of the socialists (no illusion she will ever be allowed near HRH.

Posted by: Skip at August 08, 2015 07:38 PM (R3Ycp)

113 Ms. Kelly breathed new life in to the whole "war on women" fiction and for that she is no different than a Dem, so I am done with her.

Posted by: Navybrat at August 08, 2015 07:38 PM (+MWCq)

114 >>It was white-knighting. We're to believe he was so outrageously outraged that he broadcast the statement everywhere.

And Erickson was on Morning Joe this week explaining that he'd asked candidates to explain what they would do in their 2nd term at his Redstate thingy "because bashing Hillary and Obama doesn't help."

*facepalm*

Mika and Joe thought it was a fabulous idea, naturally.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 08, 2015 07:38 PM (NOIQH)

115 Severely conservative.

Severely RINO. FIFY

Posted by: Superflex at August 08, 2015 07:38 PM (hyYAU)

116 I think Kelly saw Crowley and thought, "the moderator intervening in the debate and dressing down one of the candidates... that is so cool! It looks empowering!"

That isn't very professional, ethical, mature, or bright, imo. Or feminist, if she thinks she should get a pass for these antics just because she's a woman.

She's acting like hypocritical Dem women who support Ted, Filner, Weiner, Billy, Muslims, etc. no matter how they behave, but attack conservatives merely for making an ambiguous statements. They are simply being partisan, or enjoy bullying those they think can't fight back, but they don't give a fip about the issues they profess to care about.,

Posted by: Prof Akeley at August 08, 2015 07:39 PM (ktNqo)

117 Fiorina delivers "power point" well but she's just another Pubbie.

Posted by: Ralph at August 08, 2015 07:39 PM (KtxUt)

118 Jarjar and Bama will make sure she is in jail where she actually does belong.

Posted by: Vic at August 08, 2015 07:37 PM (GpgJl)

Are you drunk?

That will never happen.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 08, 2015 07:39 PM (Zu3d9)

119 You know, a lot of these red guys just ain't all that red.

Some gopetrolls are just worms infesting bog comment sections and some are prominent figures.

They are all gopetrolls.

Posted by: Bearded Spock at August 08, 2015 07:39 PM (MQEz6)

120 A salad / dressing?

and a floor wax!

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 08, 2015 07:39 PM (rwI+c)

121 Until she jumped on Megyn GOOD! Trump BAD! bandwagon, I was almost beginning to have some respect for her.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 08, 2015 07:36 PM (0atQl)

Eh. I think that we ought to insist on civility and manners. Civility and manners do not mean you are a milquetoast, and they are sorely needed in the SJW troll infested world.

Posted by: tms at August 08, 2015 07:39 PM (gQHeD)

122 >>> am glad that Erickson disinvited him. I'll say it. Yeah, the whole thing is overblown. Yeah, everyone involved needs to pull up their panties and move on. I have no problem with Erickson deciding that general assholishness is a disqualifier from extending an invitation to speak at his event.

without doubt, he has the right to do so. it is his event.

but should people who make their living with words so quickly embrace a regime of punishment for speech?

What would be wrong with Erickson composing an essay explaining his own idea of proper behavior, and how Trump falls short?

We are all writers. Where did we get the idea from that words are nothing at all?

Posted by: Paolo What's Inside Your Wife at August 08, 2015 07:39 PM (dciA+)

123
House dressing is a scam!

The Man created "house" dressing.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 07:39 PM (g5End)

124
But I don't put her on a pedestal, because no one should be on a pedestal

If you put her on a pedestal, you can look up her dress.

It's like I don't even know you people any more.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 08, 2015 07:39 PM (oVJmc)

125 90 >>Trump runs 3rd party Hillary wins.

How prescient of you.

Posted by: John Podesta at August 08, 2015 07:39 PM (5buP8)

126 The chances of Hillary going to jail for anything are about on par with me being chosen as Mr. America in a body building contest.

They'll try to keep her out of the nomination. Jail-nope.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 08, 2015 07:40 PM (OSs/l)

127 Why won't the "Big Tent" republicans embrace Trump?

Many say he's not a republican, fine, then step up like a fucking man and ask him to leave the party. But again, what's wrong with Big Tent (elitist?) republicans embracing a "former democrat?"

Posted by: Fritz at August 08, 2015 07:40 PM (o/UmK)

128 Until she jumped on Megyn GOOD! Trump BAD! bandwagon, I was almost beginning to have some respect for her.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 08, 2015 07:36 PM (0atQl)

I don't pay any attention to twitter spats, so I assume you mean that.

I also know essentially nothing about her, except what others are saying. She's smooth and clear in her message.

Which is great, but she's got 0% chance of being elected President. So maybe they offered her a job. Task 1 perhaps being to attack the Donald.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 08, 2015 07:41 PM (Dj0WE)

129 Jesus ace, aren't you supposed to take Saturdays off? That said, yes, when we play the outrageously outraged game we're interrupting discourse.

Posted by: joncelli, in a cynical mood at August 08, 2015 07:42 PM (ENczY)

130 Yep. She jumped on a dog whistle sexism charge. She'd suck as president.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 08, 2015 07:37 PM

What helps my decision-making process is that all the other wannabes did the same thing. It was the greatest mass cliff-leap since the last Running of the Lemmings.

So now it's down to Trump or Vermin Supreme. I already have a shirt from ol' Verm.

The only way any of the 17 "Republicans" can get me back is if they go after Choom Boy and Shrillery, pledge to abandon amnesty, and apologize to Trump. Who should apologize to Megyn, who in turn should apologize to him.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 08, 2015 07:42 PM (0atQl)

131 Seriously though, I know we generally don't like Senators for President, history being what it is, but Cruz was serving up red meat to me on the few occasions he was allowed to speak. Talk is generally cheap but I didn't hear him saying anything that didn't give me a boner.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 08, 2015 07:42 PM (rwI+c)

132 I only watched about 15 minutes of that "debate" but Jeb looked like a retarded deer on the highway. And he sounded like it, too.

I would never have considered Jeb for anything, anyhow, based on his idiotic anti-nation-state views ... but, man, he was just pathetic.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 08, 2015 07:32 PM (MYSVz)

His head is shaped like a trapezium.
That's all I see when I see him now.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 08, 2015 07:42 PM (qCMvj)

133 You gotta see the picture. It's a hoot.

The one of Trump riding Cecil carrying the Rebel flag is priceless.

Living rent free in a lot of people's heads.

Posted by: Superflex at August 08, 2015 07:42 PM (hyYAU)

134
High Plains Drifter is on. I never really liked this Eastwood flick.

But here we have a town full of criminals and cowards. Sound familiar, so far?

What Clint Eastwood does to the whole town is well-deserved.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 07:43 PM (g5End)

135 and really, not moderators at all.

These
circus shows aren't "debates", they're multi-person interviews where the
actors reading the questions have decided they're as important as the rest of the event.

Posted by: Megyn Kelly's freakish speaking cadence at August 08, 2015 07:43 PM (Xz+Dj)

136 >>>Ms. Kelly breathed new life in to the whole "war on
women" fiction and for that she is no different than a Dem, so I am done
with her.Posted by: Navybrat at August 08, 2015 07:38 PM (+MWCq)<<<

Right. Well said. She's just another establishment lackey.

Posted by: Ralph at August 08, 2015 07:43 PM (KtxUt)

137 @82
I would never have considered Jeb for anything, anyhow, based on his idiotic anti-nation-state views ... but, man, he was just pathetic.
--------------

That's the concensus that I've been getting from people I've spoken with about the debate. And given that not quite one in thirteen Americans watched the debate, there's a *lot* of people who are thinking that right now.

Posted by: junior at August 08, 2015 07:43 PM (3uPSc)

138 The other tack was trying to direct candidates into little spats against each other.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 08, 2015 07:44 PM (oVJmc)

139 But again, what's wrong with Big Tent (elitist?) republicans embracing a "former democrat?"

Posted by: Fritz at August 08, 2015 07:40 PM (o/UmK)

The big tent filled up with illegals pretty quickly and now there's nothing left inside ... other than piss and feces all over.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 08, 2015 07:44 PM (MYSVz)

140 Rick Warren's 2008 interviews were the best. By far. He's not even a MSM guy, maybe because he's not a media guy.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 08, 2015 07:44 PM (NOIQH)

141 rump will go third party if he has support that is denied by the Party.

So here's a solution, GOP candidates: Win over his support. Because if you just cut Trump off, you'll cut off his support, too, and they'll go with him to that mythical third party.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel

He won't go third party. He's not famous for blowing his own money. He's famous for blowing others' and walking away. His pitch meetings basically are, "Tell me, how should I spend your money?" He'd only run if other jackasses handed him a billion in cash.

That said, GOP should have created a populist of their own in 2009 to run against BO in 2012, but, no, they didn't because they have become a comfortable ruling class unto themselves. Trump just walked in and found an audience waiting for someone, anyone to stop acting like the accommodating pieces of shit that claim to be leaders.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 08, 2015 07:45 PM (ZCFje)

142 The other tack was trying to direct candidates into little spats against each other.

Yeah, that bugged the shit out of me. Clearly they were trying to get candidates to say the things they wanted to say but couldn't because, moderators.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 08, 2015 07:45 PM (rwI+c)

143 High Plains Drifter is on. I never really liked this Eastwood flick.

I was always strangely attracted to that film. It's not great from a movie standpoint, kind of plodding, but, the more I see of what's going on, the more satisfying it gets.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at August 08, 2015 07:45 PM (5buP8)

144 It was a some-say debate.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 08, 2015 07:45 PM (rwI+c)

145
The whipping scene is on now..

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 07:46 PM (g5End)

146 FWIW, Breitbart and others are asking why Rubio was not asked about the Gang of 8 thing. At all.

Good question. Very good question.

Posted by: Doomed at August 08, 2015 07:46 PM (bGLSw)

147 132. Ol' Trapezium Head. Awesome. Just f'ing awesome.

Posted by: Weasel at August 08, 2015 07:46 PM (e3bId)

148
This is a powerful scene because it conveys the shame of the townspeople.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 07:46 PM (g5End)

149 118 That will never happen.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 08, 2015 07:39 PM (Zu3d9)

They already have the FBI on her now.

Posted by: Vic at August 08, 2015 07:46 PM (GpgJl)

150 Awesome post, Ace. I've been going at it with several conservatives over several social media platforms the past couple of days over many of the points you cover here.

The most crucial to me being Fox News apparently going all-in on SJW identity politics to attack a guy they don't like. Trump fucked up by not turning the question around on Kelly and rhetorically punching her in her kidneys -- "have you heard the way I talk to other *men* Megyn? Are you saying that I should treat women *differently* than I treat men? Why are you against equality of the sexes, Megyn?" -- but that doesn't absolve Kelly from playing the SJW War on Women card in the first place.

Apparently if you have a problem with how Kelly comported herself during that debate, it means you are a Trump apologist or something, because, reasons.

Posted by: holygoat at August 08, 2015 07:47 PM (6nOpP)

151 The whipping scene is on now..

Did I already miss the 'I won't have sex with you, you brute scene'?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 08, 2015 07:47 PM (rwI+c)

152 136 >>>Ms. Kelly breathed new life in to the whole "war on
women" fiction and for that she is no different than a Dem, so I am done
with her.Posted by: Navybrat at August 08, 2015 07:38 PM (+MWCq)

Right. Well said. She's just another establishment lackey.

"Trumps numbers haven't dropped. CLEARLY Republicans hate women."

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 08, 2015 07:47 PM (yrHD6)

153 121 Until she jumped on Megyn GOOD! Trump BAD! bandwagon, I was almost beginning to have some respect for her.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 08, 2015 07:36 PM (0atQl)

Eh. I think that we ought to insist on civility and manners. Civility and manners do not mean you are a milquetoast, and they are sorely needed in the SJW troll infested world.
Posted by: tms at August 08, 2015 07:39 PM (gQHeD)

The opposite is true.

Posted by: Bearded Spock at August 08, 2015 07:47 PM (MQEz6)

154 I quit reading or posting at RS when they switched to DISCUS!

Ace,
If you're reading comments I am at the end of the podcast. A man by the name of Phil Wegmann wrote at The Federalist Thursday why Ben Carson doesn't belong in RNC stage or primary.
I thought I was only one.

Posted by: Carol at August 08, 2015 07:48 PM (sj3Ax)

155
It's not great from a movie standpoint, kind of plodding, but, the more I see of what's going on, the more satisfying it gets.

Yeah, I think it's a movie for a more mature, sophisticated person who can better understand the human condition.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 07:48 PM (g5End)

156 This is a powerful scene because it conveys the shame of the townspeople.

Not me!

Posted by: The Midget Under the Porch at August 08, 2015 07:48 PM (bGLSw)

157 That's the concensus that I've been getting from people I've spoken with about the debate. And given that not quite one in thirteen Americans watched the debate, there's a *lot* of people who are thinking that right now.
Posted by: junior at August 08, 2015 07:43 PM (3uPSc)

Yeah, if you listen to "other" talk radio... you know, the stuff the straights listen to, you get a feel for the LiV better than you'll get elsewhere. They are saying good things about Rubio, good things about Huckleberry, and occasionally Kasich for reasons I cannot possibly imagine.

Jeb! at best gets a "he didn't do anything to really hurt himself."

Eventually that starts to hurt, if a candidate is only not hurting himself.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 08, 2015 07:49 PM (Dj0WE)

158 Megyn Kelly's third-wave feminist debate schtick was disgraceful. It wasn't simply a "tough" question that she asked. She was engaged in a deliberate hatchet job, while simultaneously promoting the politically correct lunacy that Trump was engaged in a "war on women" by his counter-attacks on Rosie O'Donnell. Instead of asking a question of actual importance the country she chose to focus on tabloid TV nonsense.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at August 08, 2015 07:49 PM (KVRil)

159 124 That's an old Steve Martin joke.

Posted by: Eric Hoffer's Thumb at August 08, 2015 07:49 PM (76M0e)

160
Did I already miss the 'I won't have sex with you, you brute scene'?

I think so, but I'm not really paying attention.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 07:49 PM (g5End)

161 Maybe now Megan will sleep with me, and the Dems will like me.

Posted by: Eric Erickson at August 08, 2015 07:49 PM (ktNqo)

162 Why the fuck can't we just settle these differences at high noon with Samual Colt's best products?

No one "won" the fucking debate. Some showcased their abilities; others showcased their ineptitude. It'll all even out in the wash, and the fucktard eith the best spin machine will wind up going head to head with the Butcher of Benghazi herself.

Also, I was promised cookies. Where the fuck are my goddamned cookies?

Posted by: Clete Orris at August 08, 2015 07:50 PM (THDS1)

163 Ace , IMHO, you swing the biggest opinion stick in the blogosphere.
You say that you find Trump 'crude and boorish". Ok. Maybe , May be most certainly.
At the same time you ABHOR the Faliure Theater and the puppets masquerading as 'change agents'.
Who in the hell could even begin to clean up or put a dent in the DC cartel....????
May I suggest a boorish, crude, SOB whose balls clang when he walks by...a guy you(we) may vote unanimously to show the door to AFTER he does what he does to put the country back on a better path.
You get a dog to bite a dog....
If not Trump then find(has not been one in sight for over 25 years) to bite the ass of the cartel in DC.
We need a Patton...a guy you may hate-- except for the wins he delivers.
Trump is ALL we got in that category , at the monet, and if Trump does not win the Fl primary, you can welcome The Jeb! as your next Director of Failure Theater/DC Cartel CEO.

Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at August 08, 2015 07:50 PM (7GI9v)

164 The opposite is true.

Posted by: Bearded Spock at August 08, 2015 07:47 PM

If I hadn't seen the effects of six-plus years of Choom Boy, and if I hadn't watched the Republicans turn themselves into a gang of subservient, gutless me-too-ers, I might argue for more civility as well.

The days when we can afford sit around and be all palsy-walsy with our enemies are over.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 08, 2015 07:50 PM (0atQl)

165 and occasionally Kasich for reasons I cannot possibly imagine.

I've heard he's not a hardliner.

Posted by: softliner voter at August 08, 2015 07:50 PM (Xz+Dj)

166 Is it too much to ask that the fucking nominee not insinuate a questioner he dislikes is on the rag? Come on!

Posted by: Throat Wobbler Mangrove at August 08, 2015 07:51 PM (yMStz)

167 The Ouroborus that is the Left:

#BlackLivesMatter Screams Bernie Sanders Off Stage, Forcing Him To Walk Away As They Go Crazy

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 08, 2015 07:51 PM (ZCFje)

168 So I called my black grandma, a lifelong democrat, voted for Obama "many" times. Never has a bad word to speak about anyone, and she has truly been the rock of our family for 90 years. Taught us all how to look beyond differences and above all love one another.

I said how you doing grandma, did they let you watch the debates tonight? She said yes sonny they did, I enjoyed it! I asked what did you think of the tone? So she says, fk that slut, I'm voting Trump!

Posted by: AC at August 08, 2015 07:52 PM (TzeLs)

169 fine but... you know, at the point where you're saying 'Even fox news is too biased against me and asks my candidates questions that are just too hard!," you're really starting to sound like a boy who cries wolf a lot.

Posted by: Paolo What's Inside Your Wife at August 08, 2015 07:26 PM (dciA+)

Dude. We are over $200 trillion in the hole, we have a rogue tyrant as president who uses the instrumentalities of government to persecute the citizenry, has nationalized whole swathes of the economy, emboldened our enemies, alienated our allies and neutered our military.

And question 2 out of Kelly's mouth was about insulting women?????

And you're telling me I'm pouting because they're asking "tough questions?" 24 million viewers and a chance to get our message out and they pull a Stephanopoulos moment???

REALLY?

You cannot be serious.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2015 07:52 PM (St6BJ)

170 Posted by: Reggie1971 at August 08, 2015 07:49 PM (KVRil)

It's drawing the 'panicky denounce' reaction from the GOP.

Well, this is all good. The split must happen.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 08, 2015 07:52 PM (yrHD6)

171 This is amateur hour for Trump. Yes, this country is way too PC. But this is an entirely unforced error.

Posted by: Throat Wobbler Mangrove at August 08, 2015 07:52 PM (yMStz)

172 Did I already miss the 'I won't have sex with you, you brute scene'?

Which one? There's one at the beginning with the cute blond and then one much later with the hotel owner's wife (though she might not have said that line).

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 08, 2015 07:52 PM (MYSVz)

173 Apparently if you have a problem with how Kelly comported herself during that debate, it means you are a Trump apologist or something, because, reasons.
Posted by: holygoat at August 08, 2015 07:47 PM (6nOpP)

true enough

this is what people are not getting

My man is Cruz.
Megyn was a disgrace.

They are not connected to me supporting Trump at all.
I can't believe he's gotten this far. But, add Megyn to the list of one of the reasons why now.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 08, 2015 07:53 PM (qCMvj)

174 I'm enjoying the show.

from my perspective the progressives have used PC against us to where most of our 'contestants' when at all threatened shut up

Romney for instance.
1 they lowered the standards with clinton mauling women and calling the mauled women names.
2. palin-how she was mentioned
3. how from out of the gate vets, abortion dissenters, people that like the constitution were relegated Legally as terrorist on watch lists.
4.IRS.
5.half the country being called racist and nazi on a weekly basis for disagreeing with the administrations statist push..
6. the administration using community agitators to intimidate and threaten (unionsagainstbankSters) remember,? or those not on board with their program.
no idea what Trump really is, or what He end result he wants . What i do know is all this left goose stepping on everyone else not 'them' has pissed me off.
so i could care less that the Left are upset. Because i know that is B.S. they love being rude and cruel.

am i embarrassed? not really Trump isn't me .

in honesty i don't relate to republicns at all anymore.
they do not argue the case for freedom, for personal rights, for our financial survival.
so i'm just enjoying the breakdown (not really)that non of our chosen leaders that promised to do their jobs squirm as much as i and my family have the last severral years.

alos kelly set that fiasco up. she is smart and sexy and educated .
so trump bit, and i don't care that he did.
i just now laugh at the total absurdity that is our press- and country leadership.

they are the joke.

Posted by: willow at August 08, 2015 07:53 PM (nqBYe)

175 Talking about Rubio, Huckster, Kasich etc. does two things: it promotes the party line and it gives Jebbie time to collect himself and get his head above the water.

Posted by: Ralph at August 08, 2015 07:53 PM (KtxUt)

176

now, back to Quality Time

nice to see Ace on a Saturday night

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 08, 2015 07:54 PM (qCMvj)

177 Trump's last 36 hours consists of getting his ass kicked by a girl in front of 24 million people, then crying like a little bitch about how mean the girl was to him, then having a staffer quitting publicly, then getting kicked to the curb from one of the biggest activist events of the year for being a douchey little bitch.

Welcome to the NFL, son.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 08, 2015 07:54 PM (ljZD2)

178 I've heard he's not a hardliner. Posted by: softliner voter at August 08, 2015 07:50 PM

But his daddy was a mailman!

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 08, 2015 07:54 PM (0atQl)

179 166 Is it too much to ask that the fucking nominee not insinuate a questioner he dislikes is on the rag? Come on!
Posted by: Throat Wobbler Mangrove at August 08, 2015 07:51 PM (yMStz)

Yes, it is too much.

Posted by: Bearded Spock at August 08, 2015 07:54 PM (MQEz6)

180 171 This is amateur hour for Trump. Yes, this country is way too PC. But this is an entirely unforced error.
Posted by: Throat Wobbler Mangrove at August 08, 2015 07:52 PM (yMStz)

Every "unforced error" he has makes his popularity shoot up another 5-10%. We should only have unforced errors like that more often.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2015 07:54 PM (St6BJ)

181 Very well said.

Posted by: rrpjr at August 08, 2015 07:54 PM (s/yC1)

182
in honesty i don't relate to republicns at all anymore.

Precisely, said by Millions Of Others.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 07:54 PM (g5End)

183 I said how you doing grandma, did they let you watch the debates tonight? She said yes sonny they did, I enjoyed it! I asked what did you think of the tone? So she says, fk that slut, I'm voting Trump!
Posted by: AC at August 08, 2015 07:52 PM (TzeLs)

She sounds hot. Is she single??

Posted by: BurtTC at August 08, 2015 07:55 PM (Dj0WE)

184 Welcome to the NFL, son.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 08, 2015 07:54 PM (ljZD2)

uh hmm, welcome to the kickback kid.

Posted by: willow at August 08, 2015 07:55 PM (nqBYe)

185 Walker, Rubio, Cruz, Fiorina -- these are serious people not involved in some ridiculous scrap over bullshit.

Posted by: Throat Wobbler Mangrove at August 08, 2015 07:55 PM (yMStz)

186 Cannoli time, Bitchez!!!!

Posted by: Weasel at August 08, 2015 07:55 PM (e3bId)

187 Macaca!

Should I not have said that? Was that wrong?

Drat.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 08, 2015 07:55 PM (1CroS)

188 Good grief. I detest the very notion of not having a candidate speak because he's said "impure" things.
I hate this sanctimonious moral preening.

Posted by: Margarita, who'd rather have a donut at August 08, 2015 07:55 PM (cN9Sk)

189 @163 you can welcome The Jeb! as your next Director of Failure Theater/DC Cartel CEO.
-------------------

Except as repeatedly stated above, Jeb's not looking so good right now. A pretty good-sized chunk of the country saw Jeb, and thought, "That guy really doesn't want to run." Or something to that effect.

Jeb may be the establishment's chosen one. But even the establishment has to have a certain level of enthusiasm to work with. And Jeb's not generating even the bare minimum right now.

Posted by: junior at August 08, 2015 07:55 PM (3uPSc)

190 >>>You say that you find Trump 'crude and boorish". Ok. Maybe , May be most certainly.

i don't know how it could possibly be argued with.

He's one singlet short of a WWE persona.

As for the rest -- you can hold whatever opinion on him you like, I'm expressing my opinion on the issue before me.

Freedom of expression is one of the few things i care about.

I think the country is doomed. I don't think Trump, of all people, can save it.

Posted by: Paolo What's Inside Your Wife at August 08, 2015 07:55 PM (dciA+)

191
Posted by: trumpetdaddy

...says the obama voter.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 07:55 PM (g5End)

192 182
in honesty i don't relate to republicns at all anymore.

Precisely, said by Millions Of Others.
Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 07:54 PM (g5End)

Mostly the ones who stayed home in '12.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2015 07:56 PM (St6BJ)

193 Sefton, I usually agree with you, but not on this one.

Posted by: Throat Wobbler Mangrove at August 08, 2015 07:56 PM (yMStz)

194 Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 08, 2015 07:54 PM (ljZD2)

All Gope shills are Hollowpoint, and Hollowpoint sucks Gope c*ck by choice.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 08, 2015 07:56 PM (Dj0WE)

195 185 Walker, Rubio, Cruz, Fiorina -- these are serious people not involved in some ridiculous scrap over bullshit.
Posted by: Throat Wobbler Mangrove at August 08, 2015 07:55 PM (yMStz)

Fiorina's involved. She plunked her SJW self right in the middle of this.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 08, 2015 07:57 PM (yrHD6)

196 He's one singlet short of a WWE persona.

Heh.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 08, 2015 07:57 PM (rwI+c)

197
Mostly the ones who stayed home in '12.

You ain't seen nothing yet.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 07:57 PM (g5End)

198 186 Cannoli time, Bitchez!!!!
Posted by: Weasel at August 08, 2015 07:55 PM (e3bId)

Saw a screening of "The Godfather" at Film Forum this afternoon.

43 years later and it is still the greatest American film ever made.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2015 07:57 PM (St6BJ)

199 Got kicked off RedState 2 years ago, for stating that the conservative States needed to have agreements in place for the inevitable economic collapse (in order to preserve the real US and avoid what happened to the Soviet Union). I've been on the Article V kick since, 'cause it gives the best hope to reverse things.

But Ericson is a dumb ass, who thinks that he is intelligent. Yeah, he came up with a good website name and got it going. But he's as dumb as a board, and his treatment of Trump (whom I'm not thrilled with, even though I like a lot of what he says) proves it.

Its this sort of thing that will force Trump to go third party, and then nothing will stop the collapse. It'll be too late, and it will be either that collapse, or hardcore fascism.

I have kids, and I don't want to see them burn. My wife is from Yugoslavia, and she knows a lot of people who were savagely murdered (like her dad) or raped, or tortured. I'd prefer to not have that happen here.

Posted by: Brendan at August 08, 2015 07:57 PM (gkvx9)

200 >>>You say that you find Trump 'crude and boorish". Ok. Maybe , May be most certainly.

i don't know how it could possibly be argued with.

He's one singlet short of a WWE persona.

As for the rest -- you can hold whatever opinion on him you like, I'm expressing my opinion on the issue before me.

Freedom of expression is one of the few things i care about.

I think the country is doomed. I don't think Trump, of all people, can save it.

Posted by: Paolo What's Inside Your Wife at August 08, 2015 07:55 PM (dciA+)

Anyone who could?

Posted by: Vendette at August 08, 2015 07:57 PM (keGpD)

201 Yeah, I don't see the disinvitation as No Platforming, but I can see why one might.

There are some things that Dems do that sometimes seems like a good idea for Republicans to emulate. Dems circle the wagons, Republicans circle the firing squad.

So, we could circle the wagons around Trump and say, hey, he's on our team and stay the eff back.

Okay. Sure. If we are going to play it that way That means we do it ALL that way. No going into the vapors over an Akin saying something that the press blows up. No rushing to condemn the Republicans for something the paper reports they said, or paraphrases, that they really didn't say. No buying the slippery slope they painted for Cuccinelli that oh, he wants to ban all contraception!

So my point is, if we going to go all weak-kneed on that bullshit, standing firm for the right to be rude and crude while running for President seems misplaced.

Posted by: blaster at August 08, 2015 07:57 PM (2Ocf1)

202
I dont care what anyone said to Megyn Kelly. I am offended that she now made herself the story. I'm also sick of these Rinos using it to block people they dont like. It doesnt matter whether you hate Trump or arent going to vote for him. Other people do want to hear him.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 08, 2015 07:58 PM (iQIUe)

203 Fiorina is an establishment corporatist, she just has a hard delivery.

Posted by: Ralph at August 08, 2015 07:58 PM (KtxUt)

204 Dude. We are over $200 trillion in the hole, we have a rogue tyrant as president who uses the instrumentalities of government to persecute the citizenry, has nationalized whole swathes of the economy, emboldened our enemies, alienated our allies and neutered our military.

And question 2 out of Kelly's mouth was about insulting women?????

And you're telling me I'm pouting because they're asking "tough questions?" 24 million viewers and a chance to get our message out and they pull a Stephanopoulos moment???

REALLY?

You cannot be serious.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2015 07:52 PM (St6BJ)

THIS

Posted by: Reggie1971 at August 08, 2015 07:58 PM (KVRil)

205 193 Sefton, I usually agree with you, but not on this one.
Posted by: Throat Wobbler Mangrove at August 08, 2015 07:56 PM (yMStz)

You mean about Megyn Kelly and Fox? Well you are entitled to your opinion.

Despite being completely wrong.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2015 07:58 PM (St6BJ)

206 Do you know what I see? Not at the detail level, not at the exact composition level, but at the general "way things are going" level?

I can't tell whether it's 2008 or 2012.

This must be what it's like to get old. I see different players and the exact same game.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 08, 2015 07:58 PM (bLnSU)

207 @169 And you're telling me I'm pouting because they're asking "tough questions?" 24 million viewers and a chance to get our message out and they pull a Stephanopoulos moment???
-------------------

As I said above, Trump shouldn't have said it. Since he wouldn't be Trump if he didn't say *something*, he should have said something less crude. If he hadn't said something crude, then the word of mouth would be that Trump successfully fought off a mugging by the Fox moderators.

But now that's not the word of mouth.

Posted by: junior at August 08, 2015 07:58 PM (3uPSc)

208 People love the trivial fake non-news news, because it gives them the illusion they're engaging with Real and Serious Issues, when in fact, they're just not.

We need that on a billboard.

Our culture has become infantile, navel-gazing retardation.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 08, 2015 07:59 PM (1CroS)

209 I like the sweatiness of the spaghetti westerns.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 08, 2015 07:59 PM (rwI+c)

210 Cannoli time, Bitchez!!!!

Posted by: Weasel at August 08, 2015 07:55 PM (e3bId)

Cannoli, bragged about. Not sharing with ettes. Sigh.

Posted by: Vendette at August 08, 2015 07:59 PM (keGpD)

211 Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 08, 2015 07:54 PM (ljZD2)

Or not.

Posted by: Bearded Spock at August 08, 2015 07:59 PM (MQEz6)

212 For the love of god folks...Trump brings ratings!

Who cares what he says...he is forcing the networks not to sandbag the GOP this time. He is introducing candidates to large crowds, and TV viewers that are LIVs.

He is doing his part, the part the part the GOPe is not capable of because they are boring old losers.

Posted by: William Eaton at August 08, 2015 07:59 PM (q52Ma)

213 Jeb may be the establishment's chosen one. But even the establishment has to have a certain level of enthusiasm to work with. And Jeb's not generating even the bare minimum right now.
Posted by: junior at August 08, 2015 07:55 PM (3uPSc)

My assumption is Rubio is Plan B. If the alternative to Plan B (Plan C?) is Christie, they know they are pretty well screwed, I'm guessing.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 08, 2015 07:59 PM (Dj0WE)

214 Ugh. I've been downloading this large rar file for hours. Even if it doenst poop out on me, which is often the case, the file will probably be damaged.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 08, 2015 07:59 PM (iQIUe)

215 then getting kicked to the curb from one of the biggest activist events of the year for being a douchey little bitch. Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 08, 2015 07:54 PM

Can you honestly say you had ever heard of Erickson's little fap-fest before? C'mon now, tell the truth: you haven't.

Chuck Turd, the "political director" of NBC, which if possible hates all things conservative and Trump-related more than Fox, billed it as a "major conservative event."

I'm always amused when they pump up these little weenie-wagging forums any time they can get some mileage out of the sponsors/speakers.

All you have to do to get in the MFM's good graces is attack conservatives, and you're golden. See: John McCain.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 08, 2015 07:59 PM (0atQl)

216
We all know who could save this country. It's The People.

It's really up to us. But we'll never be up to the task when we continually get ourselves bogged in this Bullshit.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 08:00 PM (g5End)

217 Before the debate, it was said at AoSHQ that Megan was going to make it about herself. Nailed it again.

Posted by: Ralph at August 08, 2015 08:00 PM (KtxUt)

218 Cannoli recipe?

Posted by: Vendette at August 08, 2015 08:00 PM (keGpD)

219 209 I like the sweatiness of the spaghetti westerns.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 08, 2015 07:59 PM (rwI+c)

It's faux glycerine sweat.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2015 08:00 PM (St6BJ)

220
We're in a Tholian Web spun by the Left.

How did Spock get out of that, again?

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 08:00 PM (g5End)

221 If the GOP can't figure out how to handle Trump, they deserve to lose their positions.

If they can't figure out that Trump feeds on attention, attention they've decided to shovel into his fat maw by the CAT 797-load, they deserve to turn to dust and blow away.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 08, 2015 08:00 PM (ZCFje)

222 "I said how you doing grandma, did they let you watch the debates tonight? She said yes sonny they did, I enjoyed it! I asked what did you think of the tone? So she says, fk that slut, I'm voting Trump!
Posted by: AC at August 08, 2015 07:52 PM (TzeLs)"

That made my day. Your grandma is quite the gal!

Posted by: Brendan at August 08, 2015 08:00 PM (gkvx9)

223 >>>And you're telling me I'm pouting because they're asking "tough questions?" 24 million viewers and a chance to get our message out and they pull a Stephanopoulos moment???

fox news, and megyn kelly in particular, would deny they are in the business of helping candidates get out "our message."

I don't really think megyn kelly is a conservative, really. Possibly an Establishment Republican, possibly a disaffected liberal with criticisms of the Clown Show liberalism has become.

I just don't think you're right that fox has some obligation to help you get out "our message."

i would also note that they did some grilling of other candidates (Christie's 9-times-lowered bond ratings).

i don't know, I think tough questions are generally fair. Just because you don't have a good answer, doesn't make it an improper question. Indeed, the fact that you don't have a good answer often proves how good the question was -- how else will people know the flaws in your history and your agenda?

No one ever confesses their weaknesses; weaknesses are only seen indirectly, by people's evasiveness and failure to offer a good accounting of themselves.

Posted by: Paolo What's Inside Your Wife at August 08, 2015 08:00 PM (dciA+)

224
without doubt, he has the right to do so. it is his event.
Posted by: Paolo

Doubt. It's not his event. RedState and it's derivatives belong to Salem Comm. It's their event.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 08, 2015 08:01 PM (kdS6q)

225 I think the country is doomed. I don't think Trump, of all people, can save it.

exactly.

Posted by: willow at August 08, 2015 08:01 PM (nqBYe)

226 218 Cannoli recipe?
Posted by: Vendette at August 08, 2015 08:00 PM (keGpD)

1) Get $20 bucks.
2) Go to Ferrara's on Grand Street
3) Order 1 lb. assortment
4) Serve!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2015 08:01 PM (St6BJ)

227 I was terribly disappointed in this debate mainly because of the moderators. After decades of gotcha questions from the MSM moderated debates I thought "Finally, we will get some real questions, issues that matter to us".

And what do we get? Gotchas.

Fox, seriously, why bother?

Posted by: Decaf at August 08, 2015 08:02 PM (En3WJ)

228 Well Well Well,
This Trumpet has blown the Talk Red Meat and The Red Meat Eaters finally in to their prospective groups.
All U Pansie Puckwits who constantly claimed this is not and that is not the Hill to Die On,
All your pedestrian LOCK AND LOAD smack...
Now we see who are going to grab the wheel and those who stick their head out the window and continue to be ass whipped...
And by the way it took a the very platform , the island of conservative voice in America FOX to launch an ambush ...
Go figure ?

Posted by: Reality King at August 08, 2015 08:02 PM (/WmRg)

229 BUT WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE D.C. JERBS!!

Posted by: turnippatty at August 08, 2015 08:02 PM (ZCFje)

230 I dont care what anyone said to Megyn Kelly. I am offended that she now made herself the story.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 08, 2015 07:58 PM (iQIUe)

I know! That Megyn Kelly... Everybody now talking about her, and not about anything else. I bet she gets off on that.....

...wait a sec, I'll be back. Make it about 32 seconds.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 08, 2015 08:03 PM (Dj0WE)

231
You lost me at "Well well well."

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 08:03 PM (g5End)

232 218. Sorry, Vendette. All I know is the man who brings the bag of food to my door has them.

Posted by: Weasel at August 08, 2015 08:03 PM (e3bId)

233 If Trump somehow won the POTUS I'm guessing he might randomly do a conservative act, but I'm sure he would turn out to be a big government payout to corporations.

Posted by: Skip at August 08, 2015 08:04 PM (R3Ycp)

234
Planned Parenthood is slaughtering and dismembering babies. SCOAMF is illegally enabling Iran to get nukes.

But Trump insults women! And we have 24 million viewers. 24 million!!

Sheesh.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2015 08:04 PM (St6BJ)

235 Anyone who could?

Hello. Allow me to reintroduce myself.

Posted by: Carrington Event 2.0 at August 08, 2015 08:04 PM (bGLSw)

236 Treehouse says Erickson is a big Jeb Bush supporter and even calls him the most conservative candidate evah! Sheesh! He also didnt invite Carson for some bullshit reason. I cant stand Erickson or redstate.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 08, 2015 08:04 PM (iQIUe)

237 Posted by: Paolo What's Inside Your Wife at August 08, 2015 08:00 PM (dciA+)

If MSNBC had the same debate with Hillary, O'Malley, Sanders, and whoever else, should they give the same questions as the Fox News types did?

Posted by: Vendette at August 08, 2015 08:05 PM (keGpD)

238 I just don't think you're right that fox has some obligation to help you get out "our message."

You're right. The State Media should not be viewed as a public accommodation that can be expected to be fair and honest. Which makes me wonder why the Republicans still give them the time of day. In an age when you can have your own record company in your garage, they could easily do better.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 08, 2015 08:05 PM (rwI+c)

239 ?Would Megyn Kelly be as aggressive questioning/accusing Bill C's(make Prezzy/ Rapist in Charge) wife as she was with Trump?

Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at August 08, 2015 08:05 PM (7GI9v)

240
218. Sorry, Vendette. All I know is the man who brings the bag of food to my door has them.

Posted by: Weasel at August 08, 2015 08:03 PM (e3bId)

I'd like to know...

Posted by: Vendette at August 08, 2015 08:05 PM (keGpD)

241 I read somewhere today that Erickson called Justic Souter something with F goat Effing reference! I think it was NRO corner.I didn't care enough to remember exact words.

Posted by: Carol at August 08, 2015 08:06 PM (sj3Ax)

242 I think the country is doomed. I don't think Trump, of all people, can save it.

I've passed the point where I even care about saving it. I'm more pondering the stellar co-ordinates of Terminus, or whatever the earthbound equivalent might me.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at August 08, 2015 08:06 PM (AVEe1)

243 Erick Erickson is a gigantic,inflammed supporating asshole.
He is a nothingburger, half ass , fill-in, douche juice pinhead who blathers pointlessly in saliva-choked , meaningless belches on radio stations too fucking cheap to hire actual bottom tier talent.

That is all.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 08, 2015 08:06 PM (9QUPT)

244 I don't care about Trump. I care that Megyn tried to help Jeb.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at August 08, 2015 08:07 PM (hVdx9)

245 me>be

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at August 08, 2015 08:07 PM (AVEe1)

246
As you get older you realize that there are different types of "problems" in Life. For instance, not working is a problem. Having too much business than you can handle without expanding is also a problem, but it's one of those "good problems."

Trump elected as president would be a problem, but compared to what we've had and what we're gonna get, President Trump would be one of those Good Problems.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 08:07 PM (g5End)

247 So, the Fox News talking heads went on the attack during the debate. Was it professional? Nope. But they (and the candidates) got the desired result: they attracted a huge audience, scored a massive ratings record, and gave the media something to talk about for the next week.

I wish we could go back to the days of substantive debate and political arguments about real issues. The truth is that those days are sadly over. Note the absence of the words "nice", "respectful" or similar. Trump is a boorish cretin, but I agree with him that on his disdain for our PC culture. We don't have time for it and it's complete bullshit anyhow. If we're all supposed to be polite, respectful, nice and never say anything to hurt anyone's feelings, why doesn't that rule apply to the all the SJWs, perpetually aggrieved, and other hucksters that jump in front of the first camera they can find on behalf of whatever the protected class of the day is?

What I loathe is that the overwhelming majority of people on earth have devolved to the point of Infotainment becoming something that is respected and the new standard of "professional" news. Megyn Kelly is smart. But she's successful because she's hot and, more importantly, she picks fights on TV. You know, like what made Jerry Springer successful in the 90s. No one ever called Jerry a respected professional. He was a clown that made a lot of money because he knows that people flock like drooling savages to a fight. The more meaningless and stupid, the better.

The Jerry Springer Method is now the accepted and award winning standard for news and politics.

Fine. I loathe it but accept the reality. All I ask is that, if we're going to pick fights and "news" people are going to go on the attack over silly BS instead of real issues, at least let the rule apply universally. I expect Hillary! to be called out on her fake accents, insulting comments, and lies about everything, absolute failure in everything being spun as an accomplishment, and her only real accomplishment being that she married a serial mysoginist and, likely, rapist who was impeached for lying under oath about his #WarOnWomen during an investigation into his involvement in other criminal activity.

Posted by: Damiano at August 08, 2015 08:08 PM (XItbt)

248 As for RedState, they merrily reposted Domenech's plagiarism for months. When that was revealed, I realised that their editorial abilities were for shit. I haven't seen much since then to disabuse me of this.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at August 08, 2015 08:09 PM (AVEe1)

249 Trump is a dealmaker. He has made a deal with 'somebody' to hand the election to whatever democrat runs. Whether he runs as a republican or independent, he will make money no matter what happens. Screw him.

Posted by: Eromero at August 08, 2015 08:10 PM (go5uR)

250 i honestly do not see why every disagreement needs to descend to (pardon the coinage) Trumpian levels of personal disparagement.

You can trash Erickson and Kelly and all the rest... I don't know, what do you find you get from that?

If we are allegedly a Party of Ideas -- a claim I find increasingly farcical -- shouldn't we act like we care about ideas, and are not all about just trashing personalities?

This personality-based politics isn't really even politics.

It's very dumb.

Posted by: Paolo What's Inside Your Wife at August 08, 2015 08:10 PM (dciA+)

251 I can say, unequivocally, that Erick Erickson is a shitbag.

His latest shitbaggery is only one in a long line of bullcrap he's pulled.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 08, 2015 08:10 PM (oFCZn)

252 Wow. Completely agree. Well stated Ace.

Posted by: simplemind at August 08, 2015 08:10 PM (BTnAK)

253 No one cares what Erickson says. He's nothing but a GOPe hack. He's the rino equivalent of a SJW.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 08, 2015 08:11 PM (iR/Sj)

254
And there's the best line in the movies of all time!

Woman: "I knew you were cruel, but I didn't know how far you could go."

Eastwood's Drifter: "You still don't."

Love it.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 08:11 PM (g5End)

255
The fop is back from France:

Charles C. W. Cooke charlescwcooke
Let's play, "Who Said It: Donald Trump or P.G. Wodehouse's Roderick Spode?"

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 08, 2015 08:11 PM (kdS6q)

256 "It'll only remind people that they too have essentially been treated like the deformed child locked in the basement when company comes over, for years now."

Sigh, yes, the base is really the pits.

Posted by: Decaf at August 08, 2015 08:11 PM (En3WJ)

257 Too many people think that saying assholish things means that they are "sticking it to the establishment," or "fighting against PC." Yeah, maybe.

Mostly, it means you're an asshole.

What I've seen from the Trump idiots is the same thing we saw from the Obamabots and from the Ron Paul idiots. Whining, conspiracy-theorizing, and just generally being little, bitchy assholes.

We get it, losers. Everybody is against you, nothing is your fault, you live in a cold-water flat and your ex-wife has the house and the kids because of a conspiracy of feminists and the Tri-Lateral Commission, and Trump is your hero who will make it all right again. Now go get your fucking shineboxes.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 08, 2015 08:11 PM (ljZD2)

258 195 185 Walker, Rubio, Cruz, Fiorina -- these are serious people not involved in some ridiculous scrap over bullshit.
Posted by: Throat Wobbler Mangrove at August 08, 2015 07:55 PM (yMStz)

I've supported Walker for some time now, but unfortunately he chimed in with a "Stand with Megyn" tweet today. The fact that he would participate in a PC dogpile makes me just about ready to take my support elsewhere.

Political correctness isn't simply an annoyance. It is cultural Marxism. A relentless assault on Western Civilization itself. Those who see fit to promote it are not our political allies. They are at odds with our ethos whether they realize it or not. One thing Trump should be commended for is his remarkable success at making the PC "conservatives" reveal themselves.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at August 08, 2015 08:12 PM (KVRil)

259
And just like that she melts in his arms.

Women.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 08:12 PM (g5End)

260
all right let me tell you guys something:

You are bringing this to an ugly place.

I will assume, perhaps optimistically, that you like me joining in in the comments.

I am telling you this sort of YouTube Troll sort of commenting, where everything is just this angry ranting and insulting, is ugly, and just makes me feel dirty, and makes me want to have nothing at all to do with comments.

I have cautioned people before -- this mode of unrestrained anger may be YOUR preferred mode of expression, but many people find it distasteful.

Please try to up your game.

Posted by: Paolo What's Inside Your Wife at August 08, 2015 08:12 PM (dciA+)

261
Yeah, JJ!!!

You go, girl!!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 08, 2015 08:12 PM (iQIUe)

262 Looks around...going to call it an early evening. Good night, all!

Posted by: Vendette at August 08, 2015 08:13 PM (keGpD)

263 Perhaps it has already been noted, but Mark Levin had soundbites that seemed to indicate Megyn Kelly's implied accusation might have been overstated.

Yes, Trump belittles people of both sexes, that doesn't make him a misogynist which is the implied charge. White patriarchy is the crime they wish to hang around Trump's neck.

Trump is the perfect target for the left because people don't like him much. If they succeed in destroying Trump, who will they target next?

Posted by: Ned Corheight at August 08, 2015 08:13 PM (q12E+)

264
Posted by: trumpetdaddy

YOU IDIOTS ARE GONNA RUIN IT ALL FOR MY DEAR SWEET REPUBLICANS!!

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 08:13 PM (g5End)

265
Oh, snap!

Ryan Lizza RyanLizza

Congratulations to Erick Erickson on his new job at Jezebel

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 08, 2015 08:13 PM (kdS6q)

266 Trump is just Trumping...firing someone's ass every few months is his thing.

Now if he gets elected I would like to see a lot of asses fired...He could have a weekly show as President and fire some low level lackey who is a parasite on the body politic....like people in the EPA, the IRS, HUD and the FBI and DEA.

He could list their crimes and then tell them "Your Fired!" kinda like the old Soviet show trials or 1984.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 08, 2015 08:13 PM (JG47A)

267 Yesterday Sean said no one has asked HRH a decent hard question yet that he knew of.

Posted by: Skip at August 08, 2015 08:13 PM (R3Ycp)

268 "we can spend our time and energy jacking ourselves over nothing"

No shit? Why didn't somebody tell me this?

Posted by: Cloyd Freud, Unemployed at August 08, 2015 08:13 PM (qNZ3I)

269 Collapse is unstoppable.

The only thing we can hope to do is steer it away from total Mad Max.

That is why it is important to never support a RINO no matter what and to build up the strength of folks and institutions that will be needed.

At the same time we need to spread the virtue of unvarnished truth and hitting back as hard as you got hit.

This talk of boorishness and rude behavior is a waste of time and energy.

In fact it is worse than a waste, it is a sign of not really getting it, not truly understanding that decorum and civility are handcuffs that folks meekly submit to.

Stop it. Stop playing the game.

Posted by: Bearded Spock at August 08, 2015 08:13 PM (MQEz6)

270 Also, ace, Brit Hume immediately after the debate called Trumps back and forth with Megyn Kelly "ungentlemanly".

Can we all agree that that, in and of itself, is more sexist than anything Trump did?

And remember Rand Paul getting called sexist because he got a little testy with a female reporter?

That's bullshit. If women are going to be "equals to men" and work in serious, real careers, they do not get to fall back on the "but you shall be chivalrous to me, since I am a woman."

No, you don't get it both ways. Either everyones an equal and deserving of the same privileges in society, or everyone is not equal, and, well... that calls in to question just about every piece of conventional wisdom in liberalism.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 08, 2015 08:14 PM (AkOaV)

271 I think the country is doomed. I don't think Trump, of all people, can save it.

I've passed the point where I even care about saving it. I'm more pondering the stellar co-ordinates of Terminus, or whatever the earthbound equivalent might me.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at August 08, 2015 08:06 PM (AVEe1)

i do care but i don't see how there can be change with the media being mainly controlled by left thought, the schools churning out the same.

they took over while we thought using our vote would keep it at bay.
then we had military votes not counted and -nothing done.
then we fianlly win -and the winners do an about face and won't fight because___?
no diea.
so i care, but i see no way unless we do the long march and i don't know if we will have time.

Posted by: willow at August 08, 2015 08:14 PM (nqBYe)

272 Is there any chance we will ever hear a news personality ask something like this:

"Mrs. Clinton some say you are a senile old fool held together by polyester and an experimental exoskeleton currently serving as the head of a criminal syndicate. How would you respond to such criticism?"

OR

"Mrs. Clinton, does Eleanor Roosevelt still speak to you?"

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at August 08, 2015 08:15 PM (NeFrd)

273 What I tweeted earlier:
I don't know if I am pro-Trump, but I know that I am anti-Media.

Posted by: @votermom at August 08, 2015 08:15 PM (D1rD0)

274
I never heard the "blood coming out of her eyes" before, may be a Trump unique thing or said in the northeast. I always heard "steam coming out his ears" or "breathing fire". I originally thought that maybe he was thinking of one of these when he said "or her whatever", because he didn't have the cliche right and it sounded weird.

But I don't know, its Trump, he's a crude boorish a-hole.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 08, 2015 08:15 PM (ODxAs)

275 Megyn got her panties in a knot when Trump said that we have to stop being concerned about Political Correctness.

Posted by: The Donald at August 08, 2015 08:15 PM (1ijHg)

276 I am telling you this sort of YouTube Troll sort of commenting, where everything is just this angry ranting and insulting, is ugly, and just makes me feel dirty, and makes me want to have nothing at all to do with comments.

If only there was some way, some mechanism by which the blog author could prevent, even ban, as it were, commenters who add nothing to the conversation but invective.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 08, 2015 08:15 PM (rwI+c)

277 Crazy, I know.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 08, 2015 08:15 PM (rwI+c)

278 Easy, peasy, japaneasy.. for the full very UN-PC phrase, Ace.

Ace.. you are wrong. Trump is a pig. It was NOT a joke. Yes, he has every right to say all the stupid shit he says. But he's still a pig.

But, FUCK YES! Eric Erickson (who I think is an asshole anyway) has every right to dis-invite Trump from his stupid soiree..

The whole affair simply highlights how fucked we are.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 08, 2015 08:15 PM (UpGcq)

279 LOL. The Donald sock off.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at August 08, 2015 08:16 PM (1ijHg)

280 Paulo? What is inside someone else's wife?

Seriously? You were asking us to up our game????

Holy irony, Batman.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 08, 2015 08:16 PM (N2PoX)

281 Perhaps this was noted earlier, but I believe Letterman's joke was about Willow Palin and not Bristol and it was a sex joke and Willow was something like 12 years old at the time. Anyway she was definitely a minor.

That definitely crosses a line. Making a joke about Bristol Palin now and her getting pregnant is fine (and someone did it here a few days ago and it was funny...something along the lines of just looking at her makes her pregnant).

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 08, 2015 08:16 PM (oFCZn)

282
Lindsey Graham LindseyGrahamSC

I applaud Erick Erickson @RedState for doing the right thing when they disinvited @RealDonaldTrump

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 08, 2015 08:16 PM (kdS6q)

283 >>>Collapse is unstoppable.

The only thing we can hope to do is steer it away from total Mad Max.

That is why it is important to never support a RINO no matter what and to build up the strength of folks and institutions that will be needed.

At the same time we need to spread the virtue of unvarnished truth and hitting back as hard as you got hit.

This talk of boorishness and rude behavior is a waste of time and energy.

In fact it is worse than a waste, it is a sign of not really getting it, not truly understanding that decorum and civility are handcuffs that folks meekly submit to.

Stop it. Stop playing the game.

...

I would caution you that all politically-motivated bad behavior I've ever seen starts first with the excuse that "We need to be as nasty as possible to righteously smite our enemies."

This is a carte blanche justification for politically-inspired sociopathy.

So no, sir, I cannot agree with you that the Stakes Are So High that I must set aside my morals, ethics, and self-respect.

I may lose everything, but I will not lose myself as well, Sir.

Posted by: Paolo What's Inside Your Wife at August 08, 2015 08:16 PM (dciA+)

284 If fox had been worried about the level of discourse they would not Have participated in the lowbrow discourse right out of the gate.

srsly , what did they expect
a Romney a McCain?

they Knew where they were taking it.

Posted by: willow at August 08, 2015 08:17 PM (nqBYe)

285 >>>I never heard the "blood coming out of her eyes" before, may be a Trump unique thing or said in the northeast. I always heard "steam coming out his ears" or "breathing fire". I originally thought that maybe he was thinking of one of these when he said "or her whatever", because he didn't have the cliche right and it sounded weird.

But I don't know, its Trump, he's a crude boorish a-hole.

...

that's possible, though, one would think he would have said that in his later clarification.

maybe he still wasn't able to remember the way the phrase goes.

Posted by: Paolo What's Inside Your Wife at August 08, 2015 08:17 PM (dciA+)

286 Distasteful is a very nice way of putting it, Paolo...

Posted by: Chi at August 08, 2015 08:18 PM (Ed1hy)

287 Looks like trumpetdaddys Stockholm Syndrome has metastasized.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 08, 2015 08:18 PM (N2PoX)

288 I'm still trying to decide if we're going to become Argentina or North Korea.

Posted by: Weasel at August 08, 2015 08:19 PM (e3bId)

289 Trump needed to go, and this was about as convenient way as any to get rid of him.

If he didn't have a history of this sort of misogyny I could see disinviting him being an issue, but he clearly talks this way in regards to women and has a history.

I hate the PC culture, but it's one thing if private citizens engage in this, another when it's someone that wants to be President. It's a different standard. Period.

I have had friends that will use the word "cunt" when describing a female they don't like. Do I think these people need to be run out of polite society over it? no. Do I think a GOP candidate running for PResident should be allowed to use language like that? Hell no.

Sorry, i'm not willing to watch the country go down the shitter for Trump's vanity campaign.

Posted by: Kal at August 08, 2015 08:19 PM (A3kYV)

290 I think we should paint the town red.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 08, 2015 08:19 PM (rwI+c)

291 Pat Buchanan called Faux News Out as trying to take out Trump! That is their goal, they're not conservative they arm of Establishment! That's why they have Rove on all the time, or do according to Levin.

Posted by: Carol at August 08, 2015 08:20 PM (sj3Ax)

292 all right let me tell you guys something:

You are bringing this to an ugly place.

I will assume, perhaps optimistically, that you like me joining in in the comments.

I am telling you this sort of YouTube Troll sort of commenting,
where everything is just this angry ranting and insulting, is ugly, and
just makes me feel dirty, and makes me want to have nothing at all to do
with comments.

I have cautioned people before -- this mode of unrestrained anger
may be YOUR preferred mode of expression, but many people find it
distasteful.

Please try to up your game.

Posted by: Paolo What's Inside Your Wife at August 08, 2015 08:12 PM (dciA+)

261

Today, ABC broadcast an hour of the Special Olympic Games. An hour was not worth the time it deserved.

Posted by: Vendette at August 08, 2015 08:20 PM (keGpD)

293 The GOPe gives the same promise the Bride does before marriage of luving each and every night no matter what happens during the day.....

Posted by: Reality King at August 08, 2015 08:21 PM (/WmRg)

294 >>If MSNBC had the same debate with Hillary, O'Malley, Sanders, and whoever else, should they give the same questions as the Fox News types did?

Yes.
Such as "Sec. Clinton, Donald Trump has called women blah blah blah. Do you think there is still a war on women?"

Posted by: Lizzy at August 08, 2015 08:21 PM (NOIQH)

295 >>>Ace.. you are wrong. Trump is a pig. It was NOT a joke. Yes, he has every right to say all the stupid shit he says. But he's still a pig.

i've called him boorish and crude.

But no, I don't know if he meant she was on the rag. It's possible he did, it's possible he didn't.

Can i suggest there is a perfectly real category of things called Things You Don't Know One Way or the Other and you should be comfortable with that, and not force them into the Things We Definitely Know category just because uncertainty is psychically unpleasant?

Posted by: Paolo What's Inside Your Wife at August 08, 2015 08:21 PM (dciA+)

296 guess i'll wonder back outside to pull weeks.
peace

Posted by: willow at August 08, 2015 08:21 PM (nqBYe)

297
all right let me tell you guys something: You are bringing this to an ugly place. I will assume, perhaps optimistically, that you like me joining in in the comments. I am telling you this sort of YouTube Troll sort of commenting, where everything is just this angry ranting and insulting, is ugly, and just makes me feel dirty, and makes me want to have nothing at all to do with comments. I have cautioned people before -- this mode of unrestrained anger may be YOUR preferred mode of expression, but many people find it distasteful. Please try to up your game.
Posted by: Paolo

"Teacher! While you were gone, all the other kids misbehaved. But not me. I just sat here in my chair quietly like you told me too."

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 08, 2015 08:21 PM (kdS6q)

298 I'm still trying to decide if we're going to become Argentina or North Korea.

Posted by: Weasel

Brazil.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 08, 2015 08:22 PM (ZCFje)

299 'Distasteful is a very nice way of putting it, Paolo...'

Yeah. Serial cuckholding is not distasteful at all.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 08, 2015 08:22 PM (9QUPT)

300 OT:

For all the Article V nay-sayers:
It's the next thing to do. If you revolt beforehand it's just murder.

Posted by: DaveA at August 08, 2015 08:22 PM (DL2i+)

301 >>>
"Teacher! While you were gone, all the other kids misbehaved. But not me. I just sat here in my chair quietly like you told me too."

???

Posted by: Paolo What's Inside Your Wife at August 08, 2015 08:22 PM (dciA+)

302 Ms. Kelly breathed new life in to the whole "war on

women" fiction and for that she is no different than a Dem, so I am done

with her.Posted by: Navybrat at August 08, 2015 07:38 PM (+MWCq)

Probably a bit stale, but might as well speculate - why would a woman is such a position as Kelly flame about a "war on woman", you'd think she'd know intimately by her very position that there is no such war - unless she intimately knows there is...

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 08, 2015 08:23 PM (NaeCR)

303 Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at August 08, 2015 08:15 PM (NeFrd)

Well, no, never.

That's the other part of this whole "debates" thing that is so ridiculous.

LIVs just catch the soundbites. Moderators ask questions to set up soundbites from different candidates. The soundbites they get from D's are always good, from R's are either horrible or just okay.

I don't understand why R candidates put themselves through this. Is any name recognition good name recognition? The moderators in any debate are out for blood, why give them the opportunity?

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 08, 2015 08:23 PM (AkOaV)

304 Apparently Jeb showed up at Erickson's thing and thanked him for standing up for women so there's that.

Whatever that means anyway.

What does that mean, anyway?

Was it standing up for women or is it closet sexism to think Megyn needs Erick to stand up for her?

Anyway, Erick has problems.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 08, 2015 08:23 PM (oFCZn)

305 I turn radio off when Rush had Erickson sub for him. I won't listen to his phony BS!

Posted by: Carol at August 08, 2015 08:23 PM (sj3Ax)

306 Paolo that made no sense.

Plus your nick is annoying.

Posted by: eleven at August 08, 2015 08:23 PM (MDgS8)

307

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 08:23 PM (g5End)

308 Trump needed to go, and this was about as convenient way as any to get rid of him.

Posted by: Kal at August 08, 2015 08:19 PM (A3kYV)

Needed to go? Go from... the redstate event? Surely you do not think he is gone from the campaign, do you?

Posted by: BurtTC at August 08, 2015 08:23 PM (Dj0WE)

309 Posted by: Paolo What's Inside Your Wife at August 08, 2015 08:16 PM (dciA+)

Hardly.

You don't lose yourself when you assert yourself.

You don't lose yourself when you speak the truth and don't take crap lying down.

Posted by: Bearded Spock at August 08, 2015 08:24 PM (MQEz6)

310 306 Paolo that made no sense.

Plus your nick is annoying.
Posted by: eleven at August 08, 2015 08:23 PM (MDgS

Yeah, I'd totally pick on that guy.

Seems like a total nerd.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 08, 2015 08:24 PM (AkOaV)

311 >>>Probably a bit stale, but might as well speculate - why would a woman is such a position as Kelly flame about a "war on woman", you'd think she'd know intimately by her very position that there is no such war - unless she intimately knows there is...

i believe she has the typical feminist leanings typical of the upper-income law-school-educated upper middle class urban cohort.

Posted by: Paolo What's Inside Your Wife at August 08, 2015 08:24 PM (dciA+)

312 >>Plus your nick is annoying

Paolo = Ace

Posted by: Lizzy at August 08, 2015 08:24 PM (NOIQH)

313
I just re-read all my comments and they are top-notch, as usual.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 08:25 PM (g5End)

314 ace as paolo is annoying.

There...I said it.

Posted by: eleven at August 08, 2015 08:25 PM (MDgS8)

315 What I find funny is this:

Megyn: You call women vile names. Prove you are not a sexist pig!
Trump: Stop being so PC!
...
Media chorus: what a sexist!
Trump to fans: what a ... meanie! Blood coming out of her eyes and whatever!

I dunno, I guess I am easily entertained. Best season of Celebrity Apprentice ever!

Posted by: @votermom at August 08, 2015 08:25 PM (QKjWe)

316 getting kicked to the curb from one of the biggest activist events of the year for being a douchey little bitch.

Welcome to the NFL, son.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 08, 2015 07:54 PM (ljZD2)

Ericsson is an exceptionally ugly, retarded-looking fatso, who runs a failed website closely associated with the corrupt organization called RNC, and who believes that a thickly veiled comment about menstruation is far worse than himself calling people "pedophile cunts".

Trump is a multi-billionaire with a double digit lead over any Rethuglican stooge out there, and who needs no clowns

Guess who's the sure loser in this exchange, you fucking dimwit.

Posted by: Juicer at August 08, 2015 08:26 PM (4l5CN)

317 The Donald: "Megyn got her panties in a knot when Trump said that we have to stop being concerned about Political Correctness."

Bob Dole disapproves of The Donald's tone, but Bob Dole is intrigued by knotted panties.

Posted by: Bob Dole at August 08, 2015 08:26 PM (1CroS)

318 Paolo = Ace
Posted by: Lizzy at August 08, 2015 08:24 PM (NOIQH)

you're no fun.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 08, 2015 08:26 PM (AkOaV)

319 It's Kevin Williamson at The Corner at NRO that used words Erickson called Justice Souter.

Posted by: Carol at August 08, 2015 08:26 PM (sj3Ax)

320 Ban me.

I've lost the will to live anyhoo.

Posted by: eleven at August 08, 2015 08:26 PM (MDgS8)

321 >>>You don't lose yourself when you assert yourself.

You don't lose yourself when you speak the truth and don't take crap lying down.

...

well that's a large walk-back from your initial position, which claimed that decorum and civility were weaknesses to be purged:

"This talk of boorishness and rude behavior is a waste of time and energy.

In fact it is worse than a waste, it is a sign of not really getting it, not truly understanding that decorum and civility are handcuffs that folks meekly submit to.

Stop it. Stop playing the game. "

So do you no longer believe that, or...?

Posted by: ace at August 08, 2015 08:26 PM (dciA+)

322 why would a woman is such a position as Kelly flame about a "war on woman"

Because she's an entertainer trying to create drama.

She's not the Voice of Truth.

Posted by: no pedestals, please at August 08, 2015 08:26 PM (Xz+Dj)

323 Yeah. Serial cuckholding is not distasteful at all.

Posted by: some random meathead
------------------------------
I have no idea what you are saying, or but just to cover all my bases -
Thanks.
Blow me.

That about covers it.

Posted by: Chi at August 08, 2015 08:27 PM (Ed1hy)

324 Posted by: Juicer at August 08, 2015 08:26 PM (4l5CN)

who bitch this is?

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 08, 2015 08:28 PM (AkOaV)

325 At some point in an adult's life, he decides that there are certain people he just won't associate with because that person isn't really an adult and doesn't have an adult's self-control and maturity.

That's how most normal people work.

Trump is a nearly 70 year old man who hasn't the self-control of most 12 year olds. I won't associate with him and he doesn't represent me or the values I hold. And I will relentlessly mock his idiot followers, and other people who ought to know better, but who make excuses for Trump and his idiot followers because they think he is "useful" for some reason or another.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 08, 2015 08:28 PM (ljZD2)

326 I don't know, I might just be fucking bored of hearing, for the billionth time, that it's time to get NASTY and unshackle ourselves from good behavior.

The same people say the same shit every other day.

It's fucking boring.

And speaking of moral preening:

Are people in the "We must stop letting decorum and civility stay our bloody hands and DO WHAT MUST BE DONE, DAMN IT!" camp claiming they're not doing their own moral preening, a sort of "Look At Me, I'm a Tough-Talking Radical Who's Not Gonna Take Any More Guff" kind of pantomime?

Posted by: ace at August 08, 2015 08:29 PM (dciA+)

327 I miss the days when the comments were funny. I blame Trump.

Posted by: charris at August 08, 2015 08:30 PM (2hI19)

328 [to Trump]

WHO ARE YOU!?!

Posted by: Stacey Bridges at August 08, 2015 08:30 PM (bGLSw)

329 327 I miss the days when the comments were funny. I blame Trump.
Posted by: charris at August 08, 2015 08:30 PM (2hI19)

Seriously.

Although I think global warming probably plays a role as well.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 08, 2015 08:30 PM (AkOaV)

330 166--- Is it too much to ask that the fucking nominee not insinuate a questioner he dislikes is on the rag? Come on!
Posted by: Throat Wobbler Mangrove at August 08, 2015 07:51 PM (yMStz)
------------
He did NOT insinuate that.
Some people INFERRED it.
It would never even have occurred to me that he was insinuating that.

(And BTW, as much as I sympathize with those looking for someone/anyone who won't bow to the establishment, I don't like or trust Trump at all.)

Posted by: Margarita, who'd rather have a donut at August 08, 2015 08:31 PM (cN9Sk)

331 The irony ... It burns.

The full throated calls for censorship ... from the party supporters that otherwise suddenly find "Dissent of the Democrats as the Highest Form of Patriotism".

With a scolding from The Ace that bans any card with the audacity to act like A Trump.

#Hypocrisy.

Posted by: YouKnowWho at August 08, 2015 08:31 PM (rwVFm)

332
And I will relentlessly mock his idiot followers..

You're an internet chooch. That means "donkey" in Italian, btw.

Also, Trump is 1000x the man you'll ever be.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 08:31 PM (g5End)

333
eleven, I dig you, bro. Always have.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 08:31 PM (g5End)

334 >>>Trump is a nearly 70 year old man who hasn't the self-control of most 12 year olds. I won't associate with him and he doesn't represent me or the values I hold.

but the rules for who you PERSONALLY associate with are different from the rules you should use if you are, to coin a phrase, a market-maker in a marketplace of ideas.

In that latter situation, you have a certain obligation to be over-inclusive in who is permitted to enter the market.

In your personal life, obviously, you can have a strict No Assholes rule.

But if you're creating a semi-open forum for the exchange of ideas, I do think it is good classically liberal* practice to permit people to use your institution, even if you disagree with their ideas.

Posted by: ace at August 08, 2015 08:31 PM (dciA+)

335 13 I think it's counterproductive, too. The sort of support Trump has isn't going to be dampened by official scolding and tut-tutting. It'll only feed the alienation among the base. So Trump is being "dumped", "shunned", "disinvited" by the Nicely-Nicely Johnsons running the GOP? It'll only remind people that they too have essentially been treated like the deformed child locked in the basement when company comes over, for years now.
Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at August 08, 2015 07:16 PM (VBbCO)

1. My folks and all their friends and friends and neighbors are Republicans. Not LIVs, per se, but not the most informed either. All are conservative by instinct. They are, to a person, big Trump supporters right now and the above post is 100% accurate. Every single one of them has now doubled down on their support of Trump simply because they're damn angry at the GOP and all the lying and bullshitting and failure theater and kowtowing to the leftist über PC line all the time. This debate did not tank him with them, because right now they're all very happy to see someone finally sticking their finger in the eyes of people they (these voters) are extremely mad at.

2. Trump is not my guy (Cruz and Jindal do it for me, although I do like Trump's stated tax plan as a way of easing people into an eventual flat tax, but I digress). But I'm of two minds as to the debate:

(A) One one hand, if our guys can't handle the dorks on FNC, they're fricking doomed when they go on the rest of the leftist shill media.

(B) On the other hand, I did not care for the tone and general decorum of Kelly or Wallace (Baier seemed more even handed IMO). Right out of the gate it seemed like those two were out to crucify a certain few candidates and honestly if it were CNN that had gone after our guys like that we would all be screaming about the bias.

Just my 2 cents.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at August 08, 2015 08:32 PM (KkVB6)

336 Biggest activist events of the year.

Lolololol
Oh god. I'm choking over here.

Erik Erikson's conservatism midnight shift toilet bowl scrubber. Part time.

If he is associated with an event it's because he gave his time away for free. He's never seen an original idea let alone had one. Number of commenters on his website indicate nothing more than there are very few places for conservatives to go on the internet and say what they really think and feel. I feel cleaner visiting Zero Hedge with all their unapologetic anti-Semitism then red state with their daily sickening slurping of the GOP.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 08, 2015 08:32 PM (9QUPT)

337 I don't really care if a politician insults a journalist, even as crudely as Trump did. I honestly don't. That it's a woman journalist isn't relevant to me.

That said, Erickson is free to invite whomever he pleases and to disinvite people, too.

I think Trump is bad for conservatism and bad for the primary process. I don't think anything is gained by giving him free airtime.

That said, imo Trump should have been shunned by any ostensibly conservative gathering (as opposed to a GOP event) after the POW/wounded warrior comments, frankly. And I really don't understand what he was doing at CPAC, either. He's been tolerated and encouraged because he's rich, not because of any ideas he brings to the table.

I read that EE didn't invite Ben Carson and his rationale for that decision was kind of weak-sauce (and short-sighted). It was b/c he felt Carson's talks were self-promotion.

But he invited Trump?

That's pretty funny.

But it's EE's show and he can do what he wants.

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 08:32 PM (RWGcK)

338 Posted by: ace at August 08, 2015 08:26 PM (dciA+)

How so.

The game is is played by meekly watching what you say so that you don't get in PC trouble.

I say stop doing that.

I say say what you think and if requires being impolite then be impolite.

I welcome more in-your-face actions by politicians because it rocks the boat.

We are not in a battle over rice or potatoes for dinner, so it is okay to get heated.

Posted by: Bearded Spock at August 08, 2015 08:32 PM (MQEz6)

339 I don't know, I might just be fucking bored of hearing, for the billionth time, that it's time to get NASTY and unshackle ourselves from good behavior.

The same people say the same shit every other day.

It's fucking boring.

And speaking of moral preening:

Are people in the "We must stop letting decorum and civility stay our bloody hands and DO WHAT MUST BE DONE, DAMN IT!" camp claiming they're not doing their own moral preening, a sort of "Look At Me, I'm a Tough-Talking Radical Who's Not Gonna Take Any More Guff" kind of pantomime?

Posted by: ace at August 08, 2015 08:29 PM (dciA+)

Obviously people like the idea of Trump giving a big fat middle finger to the Gope. Now that it's "debate" time, he's giving a big fat middle finger to more than just the Gope, and I can understand why some people don't like it.

As long as he's still doing it to the Gope, I'm not going to defend him, but I'm also not going to get on the "oh, that's nasty" bandwagon.

He'll flame out when he flames out, and all the media blowhards in the world are not going to speed up the process. If anything, they slow it down.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 08, 2015 08:33 PM (Dj0WE)

340 Trump is a nearly 70 year old man who hasn't the self-control of most 12 year olds. I won't associate with him and he doesn't represent me or the values I hold. And I will relentlessly mock his idiot followers, and other people who ought to know better, but who make excuses for Trump and his idiot followers because they think he is "useful" for some reason or another.

You will be rude to the people who are rude.

Such self control and maturity.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 08, 2015 08:33 PM (yrHD6)

341 I think Kelly assumes that it is SHE who is producing the ratings, rather than the fact that FOX is generally more appealing on account of it's tone.

Greta Van Susteren, whatever her faults, strikes me as more thoughtful, more serious, more insightful, and brighter.

Eye candy..., not so much.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, Hardliner at August 08, 2015 08:33 PM (9mTYi)

342 charris -- Many funny commenters have gone.

Alas.

Posted by: eleven at August 08, 2015 08:33 PM (MDgS8)

343 >>i believe she has the typical feminist leanings typical of the upper-income law-school-educated upper middle class urban cohort.

Yep. And in generally, the questions were intentionally provocative, such as the ones where they quoted a negative comment about one candidate by another and asked them to comment/set him straight.

The questions were for ratings, to create buzz, and for the moderators to get attention. It sure as heck worked out well for Megyn Kelly, no?
Not only did she create the moment that everyone is talking about, she's getting good press from the MSM (which should help her get more viewers for her nightly show).

Posted by: Lizzy at August 08, 2015 08:33 PM (NOIQH)

344 Cannoli recipe?
Posted by: Vendette at August 08, 2015 08:00 PM (keGpD)

1) Get $20 bucks.
2) Go to Ferrara's on Grand Street
3) Order 1 lb. assortment
4) Serve!
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2015 08:01 PM (St6BJ)

---

1) Leave the gun.

Posted by: Brian DePalma, head of cannolis for guns swap program at August 08, 2015 08:33 PM (ktNqo)

345
brb, goin to Five Guys for some burgers and fries...

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 08:33 PM (g5End)

346 You're an internet chooch. That means "donkey" in Italian, btw.

*touches nose*

People like to say shit on the netz they would never say in meatspace, and rightly so, an ass-beating being the most likely outcome.

I think people who want to get nasty should go get started. Less jaw jaw and more waw waw.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 08, 2015 08:33 PM (rwI+c)

347 Santorum, Paul Fiorina also jumped on Trump today.

Posted by: Carol at August 08, 2015 08:34 PM (sj3Ax)

348 When the whole fucking groaning mess comes to a shuddering halt, I want everyone to remember THIS is the sort of lame shit we were worried about.

Posted by: Weasel at August 08, 2015 08:34 PM (e3bId)

349 Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 08, 2015 08:28 PM (ljZD2)

You should notice you're the one being thoroughly mocked throughout the past three threads in which you pumped laughable Bush propaganda, though.

Posted by: Juicer at August 08, 2015 08:34 PM (4l5CN)

350 285 Paulo- Blood boiling, red in face, eyes burning with fire like hate, spitting fire or others come to mind. "Blood coming out of eyes" is weird.
I think it's a case of mixed metaphors from the not eloquent, boorish and from the hip shooting Trump. "From the nose" would only make sense if it was in said in the sense of "they wanted to fight, not ask questions" and he beat them. Prolly some advisor's best.

He speaks simply e.g., Clintons "I like them. They're very nice. They're nice people. I like them." or some such is one example. He's is smart enough to know you don't say "she's on the rag" and I don't think that is what he meant BUT he is a playah, sexist and likes hotties.

Red State effed up by disinviting him. Pissed off A LOT of activist loyal voters who could go home and say "I saw Trump in person at the Red State...." and, for booting Trump over this, they too will suffer fanship.

It's a lot of hooey and look how much time and effort is wasted. Myself included. Note to self: stay out of these stooopid arguments. Stat.

Posted by: eureka! at August 08, 2015 08:34 PM (g1MTt)

351 Before the debate, it was said at AoSHQ that Megan was going to make it about herself. Nailed it again.

Posted by: Ralph

Years ago, Marshall McCluhan wrote "The Media is the message".

They all get paid more than politicians, they get to talk endlessly to the public on TV, and no wonder they think they are MORE important than politicians, elected by the people.

OF COURSE THEY WANT TO CONTROL THE ELECTION!

That's what they're paid for! What do you think Rupert Murdoch bought all that Media for? To make more money?
Why do you think Carlos Slim bought the New York Times? It is losing money all the time, but he buys influence.
Why did Jeff Bezos buy the Washington Post?

They are all playing a big game, and we get to watch.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at August 08, 2015 08:34 PM (+1T7c)

352
You will be rude to the people who are rude.

He hates the Haters!

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 08:34 PM (g5End)

353 Y-Not,

Trump has been indulged partly just because he's a celebrity in a party that has so few of them.

Posted by: ace at August 08, 2015 08:34 PM (dciA+)

354 As a former Meadowlands watcher, wire to wire were always the best races, when money is on the one cutting the mile. I reminded myself of that while thinking of Trump today.

Posted by: AC at August 08, 2015 08:34 PM (TzeLs)

355 Also, did not know Paolo equals ace.

Your site your rules.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 08, 2015 08:34 PM (92YAX)

356
Before I go, I'm thinking of changing my name to All The Pretty Horses.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 08:35 PM (g5End)

357 Hey. The comments are funny. Especially the angry ones. Those people will eventually move through the stages of grief and settle into despair. See funny stuff.

Posted by: simplemind at August 08, 2015 08:35 PM (BTnAK)

358 As a woman, i believe things are only misogynistic if a man uses his power over a woman who is without power.
Megyn Kellys is has plenty of power in her own right.
Trump was crude (as always) but Megyn can take care of herself. No one needs, or should, come to her defense.
However the Trump fans need to settle the f*ck down. They're beginning to remind me of Obots.
PS: Eric Erickson has always been an a--hole. He's defending Megyn now? He's the guy she chewed a new one on when je said on her show some kind of stupid sexist BS (can't remember)

Posted by: Dancing Queen at August 08, 2015 08:36 PM (SvnHQ)

359 Trump has been indulged partly just because he's a celebrity in a party that has so few of them.
---

That and everyone wants the name of his hairdresser.

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 08:36 PM (RWGcK)

360 Fair enough, Ace. I get what you're saying about being open to ideas.

Erickson made a judgement that Trump isn't promoting ideas that advance the conservative agenda, as Erickson and his event's organizers understand that agenda. In fact, he's been pretty open about how he believes that Trump actively impedes that agenda.

As such, this latest comment was just enough. Everybody draws their line differently and this is where Erickson and the RedState folks drew it.

Trump isn't entitled to somebody else's stage and microphone. Claims that he is or that Erickson is somehow a censor are way off base. They are under no obligation to invite any particular people to speak at all. It's their event and they control the time and the venue. Trump failed their standards. Simple enough.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 08, 2015 08:37 PM (ljZD2)

361 but he is a consequence of the GOP lying every election and giving their base the back of its hand again and again. They created his candidacy, not us.

Nature abhors political vacuums (ignoring the "core"). So there's a wind and if there's a wind they hairpiece is gonna move.

Posted by: DaveA at August 08, 2015 08:37 PM (DL2i+)

362 ace, all of what we d here is just talk.

I am talking about what happens in the real world.

Imagine there are no more hesitant careful responses to misleading and malignant questions.

Imagine people responding with "I don't accept the premise" or " That question has nothing to do with me. Trying staying on topic."

Is that kind ogf thing something you just can't abide?

Posted by: Bearded Spock at August 08, 2015 08:37 PM (MQEz6)

363 >>>Yep. And in generally, the questions were intentionally provocative, such as the ones where they quoted a negative comment about one candidate by another and asked them to comment/set him straight.

disagree. They understand that especially with 10 people, this was a Joint Media Opportunity, not a debate. The suggestion that 2 people debate certain issues was an attempt to get it to be more like a real debate.

If you think about it, it's impossible to have a "debate" with more than six people.

They attempted to move it away from Joint Interview Opportunity to debate with that format.

I don't see anything underhanded or wrong about inviting people to debate at an alleged debate.

Posted by: ace at August 08, 2015 08:37 PM (dciA+)

364
The town is red.
Repeat: the town is red.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 08:38 PM (g5End)

365 I will also say I noticed that the "war on women" questions were phrased very differently than when they asked about Jeb! calling Trump an asshole. Why is it ok to call a dude an asshole but not to likewise insult a woman?

I'm a woman. If we ladies want to be treated like we're interchangeable with men (which I don't personally believe, but that's the prevailing attitude in the culture) then this double standard where we can do every thing a man can do, damn it! but are suddenly shrinking violets incapable of handling a slight when someone insults us has to stop.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at August 08, 2015 08:38 PM (KkVB6)

366 sorry i assumed people knew paolo = ace

was a sock i was using for a few days

wasn't trying to trip anyone up, just enjoy calling myself Paolo

Posted by: ace at August 08, 2015 08:39 PM (dciA+)

367 Posted by: some random meathead at August 08, 2015 08:34 PM (92YAX)

Piece of free advice:

If unsure who someone is, google their hash (the unique letter number combo after your timestamp in your post) with the phrase aoshq after it. It'll show pretty extensive comment history, so you can see what other nics people use.

Although ace has a newish hash it looks like, so that might not have been conclusive in this case

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 08, 2015 08:39 PM (AkOaV)

368 Thank you Soothsayer.

Posted by: eleven at August 08, 2015 08:40 PM (MDgS8)

369 Trump failed the nice-talking standards of a guy who used to call a SCOTUS judge a pedophile.

In other news: tumpetdaddy is a fucking imbecile.

Posted by: Juicer at August 08, 2015 08:40 PM (4l5CN)

370 >>>I'm a woman. If we ladies want to be treated like we're interchangeable with men (which I don't personally believe, but that's the prevailing attitude in the culture) then this double standard where we can do every thing a man can do, damn it! but are suddenly shrinking violets incapable of handling a slight when someone insults us has to stop.

this is a question I have as well.

Posted by: ace at August 08, 2015 08:40 PM (dciA+)

371 The progressives use their useful idiots and support them where they can. They get great mileage out of them.

We seem to enjoy taking sort of fake sense of moral superiority over those that are working to our best advantage. This is a total mystery to me.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 08, 2015 08:40 PM (9QUPT)

372 wasn't trying to trip anyone up, just enjoy calling myself Paolo
Posted by: ace

You seen my wife lately?

Posted by: Sub-beta Pajamaboy at August 08, 2015 08:40 PM (awspb)

373 "You should notice you're the one being thoroughly mocked throughout the
past three threads in which you pumped laughable Bush propaganda,
though."

You should notice that I have consistently and openly supported Scott Walker every single time I'm asked or challenged to "name my candidate."

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 08, 2015 08:41 PM (ljZD2)

374 The town is red.
Repeat: the town is red.
Posted by: Soothsayer
--------------------

There is blood in the water.
I repeat, there is blood in the water.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, Hardliner at August 08, 2015 08:41 PM (9mTYi)

375 Posted by: Dancing Queen at August 08, 2015 08:36 PM (SvnHQ)

What is it about Erick Erickson that makes him feel he needs to defend Megyn Kelly?

I say it's because he thinks she needs it because she's a woman.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 08, 2015 08:41 PM (oFCZn)

376 ace,
I recommend you try the handle "petunia" for a while. That would generate a boatload of laughs.
;-)

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 08:41 PM (RWGcK)

377 1. I like Megyn Kelly. She's a good journalist and a good interviewer.

2. I like Megyn Kelly better than Donald Trump, who (while I think he has done some good here and there in an unintentional way) I think is a joke. I do not get people who actually support him, as in not just along for the ride, not just enjoying attacks on the Republican establishment, but actually support him.

3. Anybody remember the Megyn Kelly interview on Howard Stern? Perhaps it's better to avoid things like that if you don't want disrespectful comments in the future.

Yep, Trump would probably have still said it anyway, but, it's just a thought.

Posted by: AD at August 08, 2015 08:41 PM (s4wTA)

378 Posted by: Bearded Spock at August 08, 2015 08:37 PM (MQEz6)

I thought that's what we've all been begging R candidates to do for years.

And what we all applauded the otherwise complete asshat, Newt Gingrich, for doing in 2012.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 08, 2015 08:42 PM (AkOaV)

379 What is it about Erick Erickson that makes him feel he needs to defend Megyn Kelly?

I say it's because he thinks she needs it because she's a woman.

--

One plausible alternative theory is that it's b/c they are colleagues on Fox.

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 08:42 PM (RWGcK)

380 Trumpy gets mocked and called all kinds of things. How come no one is upset about that?

Posted by: freaked at August 08, 2015 08:42 PM (BO/km)

381 3. Anybody remember the Megyn Kelly interview on Howard Stern? Perhaps it's better to avoid things like that if you don't want disrespectful comments in the future.

And speaking of which, if we're going to go this route, WTF was Megyn Kelly doing associating with Howard Stern?

Posted by: AD at August 08, 2015 08:42 PM (s4wTA)

382 Chi,I saw your comment on ONT about having my carpets cleaned!Thank You!

Posted by: Carol at August 08, 2015 08:43 PM (sj3Ax)

383 Trump speaks the way most people usually speak, which adds a lot to his popularity.

But mostly, he personifies our anger and lotsa other stuff. He's talking smack to sh*t-birds, and it does not matter what the words are or what the tone is.

The Usual Suspects are getting Increasingly Disturbed that their powers don't affect him, and that is increasingly fun to watch

Posted by: Bill Dill at August 08, 2015 08:43 PM (8CdUx)

384 What is it about Erick Erickson that makes him feel he needs to defend Megyn Kelly?

I say it's because he thinks she needs it because she's a woman.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis

If I defend her enough, she'll realize she's dating a jerk and fall in love with me.

Posted by: Every WhiteKnight Ever at August 08, 2015 08:43 PM (awspb)

385 Vlad Putin enjoys Obowma's sense of civility and decorum.

In fact, he eats it up.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 08, 2015 08:43 PM (92YAX)

386 Please try to up your game.

*****

This demands the classic response:

"Up yours!"

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at August 08, 2015 08:44 PM (NeFrd)

387 One plausible alternative theory is that it's b/c they are colleagues on Fox.

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 08:42 PM (RWGcK)

WHY ARE YOU ARGUING WITH ME WOMAN??!!?!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 08, 2015 08:44 PM (oFCZn)

388 >>>Imagine people responding with "I don't accept the premise" or " That question has nothing to do with me. Trying staying on topic."

no. but that of course wasn't what I was objecting to.

you and i can have a completely reasonable and useful conversation. We don't have to get all aggressive with each other. That doesn't actually move the ball at all, that just changes the situation from a conversation to Two Guys Using Primordial Aggression Displays To Prove He's the Bigger Gorilla.

I don't buy into this crap that we're "tougher" when we act more like kinda-young, kinda-pencil-necked YouTube Trolls.

I mean, they're not very masculine or alpha, are they?

I am contending -- because I see the opposite claimed -- that one can be a pretty studly male and yet still abide by a code of ethical conduct.

Playing the Wrestling Heel doesn't make us tougher, or gutsier, or more likely to win.

I see this sort of attitude pushed a lot. I strenuously disagree.

Posted by: ace who goes by Paolo at August 08, 2015 08:44 PM (dciA+)

389 I'm sorry, I opened link to Howard Stern don't know who to thank!I'm sorry.

Posted by: Carol at August 08, 2015 08:44 PM (sj3Ax)

390 Gonna need more popcorn.

Trump is the GOP's punishment for its failures and treachery. As I said when this spun up: The fuckers have it coming.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at August 08, 2015 08:45 PM (m9V0o)

391 I have not been offended by anything since I was about 7 years old.

I enjoy all the comments even those I don't agree with because that is what ADULTS do.

If you aren't left with missing limbs, or bleeding or having something broken, relax. Enjoy and thank Ace for letting us spout.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 08, 2015 08:45 PM (JG47A)

392 What is it about Erick Erickson that makes him feel he needs to defend Megyn Kelly?

I say it's because he thinks she needs it because she's a woman.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis

It's part of the chorus of the Republican Party faction that hates Trump and wants him denounced.

Erick is a brave lad; defending motherhood, the Party and a third thing I can't remember. Apple pie?

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at August 08, 2015 08:45 PM (+1T7c)

393
My comments are +1 better than that other dude.

Posted by: twelve at August 08, 2015 08:45 PM (ODxAs)

394 Eric Erickson has a very, very small Johnson

I know this because...........well, because I care. And I get around, IYKWIM

Posted by: Lindsey Graham, former ballerina at August 08, 2015 08:46 PM (8CdUx)

395 Trump has been really aiming fire at Kraut, in response to Kraut's criticism. I'm half-waiting for DT to call him a cripple.

Speaking of which, did you all see the thing about Rand Paul and the comment DT made that some are interpreting as a jab at him (RP) for being hard of hearing? I'm not sure I was persuaded that's what DT was doing, but it was news to me that RP wears hearing aids.

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 08:46 PM (RWGcK)

396 Y-not: "I think Trump is bad for conservatism and bad for the primary process. I don't think anything is gained by giving him free airtime."

I don't understand this. Trump is somewhere on the political spectrum. He is voicing, mostly, right-leaning positions and addressing them in blunt, short sentences that cuts all the chatter. That sets a template - a different template - than every other candidate we've been forced to endure for decades. It exposes pretty much everyone else for the focus-group tested crap we all know is going on but dared not challenge.

Also, he is yuuugely responsible for bringing in the numbers of interested onlookers, would-be voters. He is expressly helping the primary process. FOX should cut Trump a check.

It is the fault of the MFM for bringing "undesirable" coverage to Trump because they are the ones perpetuating spectacle. They won't treat him like a regular candidate because they can't help themselves. Don't blame Trump for that.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 08, 2015 08:46 PM (1CroS)

397 Honestly, ace,
I thought everyone picked up that Paolo = you pretty quickly. @) and I don't even read your tweeters, unless you link them here.

I see no reason for an apology.
But what do I know?

Posted by: Chi at August 08, 2015 08:46 PM (Ed1hy)

398 I also seem to recall a pretty booby photo shoot starring one Megyn Kelly.

Maybe, you know, that might have been a bad call if you want to be a serious you guys journalist.

Or it could've been attention whoring. She started trending to what seemed like attention whoring and it was a big reason I quit watching.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 08, 2015 08:46 PM (oFCZn)

399 I heard Paolo has binders full of other men's wives.

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at August 08, 2015 08:46 PM (NeFrd)

400 Trumpy gets mocked and called all kinds of things. How come no one is upset about that?
Posted by: freaked at August 08, 2015 08:42 PM (BO/km)

What I like about Trump is that I can support what he says (about illegals, about the media) and I can laugh at his excesses too.
It's a kind of anti-idolatry.

Posted by: @votermom at August 08, 2015 08:47 PM (rpy87)

401 WHY ARE YOU ARGUING WITH ME WOMAN??!!?!
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 08, 2015 08:44 PM
--

Sorry!

What sort of sammich do you want, dear?

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 08:47 PM (RWGcK)

402 I don't think Trump, of all people, can save it.

Deliberately?, probably not, a large random perturbation may work while we know more of the same wont.

Posted by: DaveA at August 08, 2015 08:48 PM (DL2i+)

403
You want Patton

You'd settle for Bradley

You get Sgt. Carter

Posted by: Mike Hammer, Hardliner at August 08, 2015 08:48 PM (9mTYi)

404 >>>3. Anybody remember the Megyn Kelly interview on Howard Stern? Perhaps it's better to avoid things like that if you don't want disrespectful comments in the future.

why?

Let's say, hypothetically, that some female poster here, we'll call her Waffles For Breakfast, gets in to some banter with a male friend she flirts with. Some light innuendo is exchanged.

Are you really saying that the fact that she volunteered for this with one guy now makes her open season for any asshole who wants to say something crude to her?

Why is Megyn Kelly's publicity-seeking appearance on howard (and publicity is a big part of her business) somehow a carte blanche to go nuts on her?

I doubt you meant this. I think you must have just brain-farted here, because if I take you at your word, you're claiming that a woman who allows herself to be flirted up by one guy is now the World's Whore and can not be violated.

Posted by: ace who goes by Paolo at August 08, 2015 08:48 PM (dciA+)

405 My comments are +1 better than that other dude.

Posted by: twelve

Roll for initiative.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 08, 2015 08:48 PM (ZCFje)

406 I didn't listen to the debate - I've frankly lost faith - utterly. But I did hear Megyn Kelly's questions to Trump on several outlets.

I've also been on team Megyn, but my faith in that membership has recently been waning - substantially.

Megyn is a victim of her hype, I think. She hears that she is the greatest thing since sliced bread and now she believes it. That rarely serves a person well. Bill O'Reilly was similarly victimized by his own ego.

Megyn's questions to Trump crossed a line and that line wasn't that it unfairly targeted Trump. It was the line that put the aura around Megyn.

Megyn has changed, and not for the better.

Bill O'Reilly is a populist and a shrewd one. He subtly changes course when needed to attract that segment of viewership that fell away, or to attract replacement viewers.

We'll see if Megyn is that shrewd. She all but lost me a while ago.

Posted by: Semper In Stercus at August 08, 2015 08:48 PM (BZAd3)

407 Also, he is yuuugely responsible for bringing in the numbers of interested onlookers, would-be voters. He is expressly helping the primary process. FOX should cut Trump a check.

^^^^^

Yeah, I know a lot of people who watched both the early and later debates only because their interest in the R primary was piqued by all the Trump stuff. If he's done nothing else, he's gotten us some eyes and ears that would have normally been completely unaware that there was a primary going on to begin with.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at August 08, 2015 08:48 PM (KkVB6)

408 Hey ace,

Is it possible that maybe every one of us on this planet has a unique personality? And are unique people? And respond to different types of people and different personality types differently?

And act and speak differently?

And are offended / not offended by different things?

This is why I think a lot of Trump supporters double down -- they get this sneaking suspicion that some of the vitriol directed at Trump is actually being directed at them. And that to a certain segment of the population, largely defined by geography, they are "the others" and they are an embarrassment?

This country has over 300 million incredibly diverse people (meant in all meanings of the word) -- moreso than probably any other large country on the planet.

A certain per centage of the population -- many of whom are good people -- live with a COMPLETELY different view of things than the "beltway types" (really Acela corridor) do. I see it as very unnecessary and dare I say bullying for the media and establishment types to be so hostile and offensive.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 08, 2015 08:49 PM (AkOaV)

409 I find Eric a political hack that makes a nice living keeping himself in the game. So he goes all 'war on women' and politically correct in one fell swoop...wow, that took a lot of balls against a candidate that is easy pickings. His blog is in censure police lock down mode with the moderators in full defensive posture as he prances around Atlanta on his Obama bred 'high horse'...

Posted by: Thurston Howell Trump at August 08, 2015 08:49 PM (Y5ikf)

410 I think it is long past time that the sly nuanced insults from the news media get pointed out when they do what Megyn Kelly did.

Out of all the questions they could have asked Trump they insulted him by accusing him of being rude to a female. Out of all the political questions that could have been asked they choose that one.

Police officers are being shot, and President Obama implies that shooting white cops is justified if you are black, because black people have been poorly treated and were slaves. President Obama sends his surrogate brown shirts after Schumer. We have seen where that path takes us when a president has the power to set a mob of thugs on his political opponents, and Schumer is a loyal supporter of Obama except this one time.

And the news media ignores the story and reporters focus on Trump's crude language.

Planned Parenthood should not receive federal funding and a female news reporter accuses Trump of rudeness and the howling mad mobs follow her lead.

The economy stinks, people are unemployed and not even bothering to look for work and are living on government handouts, and we're arguing over Trump.

President Obama has personnely destabilized North Africa, surrendered to Iran an acknowledged enemy, reopened normal diplomatic ties with a brutal feudal communist regime ninety miles off the coast of Florida, 51 percent of the country voted for Obama a second time knowing his marxist leninist economic think, and we are talking about Trump and ignoring Cruz, and Walker the only two candidates that might have a chance to change the political landscape.

We're being played, scammed, manipulated, bamboozled, and gaslighted.

Posted by: Ned Corheight at August 08, 2015 08:49 PM (q12E+)

411 I say it's because he thinks she needs it because she's a woman.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis

--
OFFS. Am I the only one who remembers how Erickson treated Sarah Palin?

Posted by: @votermom at August 08, 2015 08:50 PM (rpy87)

412 vdare.com has the boob-ish photo of Megyn Kelly

if you can handle the 'race realism' in re Pat Buchanon, et al, etc

Posted by: Lindsey Graham, former ballerina at August 08, 2015 08:50 PM (8CdUx)

413 Whoa! I wandered over to HotAir and there were two threads, one about the RedState gathering, it had less than 150 comments. All negative toward RedState. The other thread was about Trump getting disinvited which had well over 2,000 comments. I also noticed that Hot Air is taking a lot of heat for being "establishment"

Posted by: Auntie Doodles at August 08, 2015 08:50 PM (FLCtp)

414 My interest in Megyn is pretty much confined to her girl parts. Don't much give a shit about anything else.

Posted by: Weasel at August 08, 2015 08:50 PM (e3bId)

415 Trump is the GOP's punishment for its failures and treachery. As I said when this spun up: The fuckers have it coming.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon

The GOP has succeeded on the state level in many places, and that is because they can play better retail politics at that level.

They fail nationally because they still can't figure out and articulate a message to speak over the heads of the Media, which will inherently and pathologically defend the Democrats, their ideas and their politicians, at the national level.
So they revert to the "safe" path of expected failure because they are afraid to be bold enough to speak up.
So yes, on the national level, Trump is exactly what they should get. Because the GOP is a party of cowards on the national level, with stupid leadership.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at August 08, 2015 08:50 PM (+1T7c)

416 WHY ARE YOU ARGUING WITH ME WOMAN??!!?!
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 08, 2015 08:44 PM
--

Sorry!

What sort of sammich do you want, dear?

Holy shit, I can't believe that works. I'm so going to try this.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 08, 2015 08:51 PM (rwI+c)

417 Erick Erickson is meaningless personified.

He is a GOP shill only in his dreams.as no one in the GOP has any idea who he is.

Calling him and Kelly 'colleagues' on Fox is sorta like calling Peyton Manning and the part time carpet cleaner at his vacation house 'teammates'.

Posted by: some random meathead at August 08, 2015 08:51 PM (Yrjee)

418 BTW, Dack, don't worry that the sammich will have a slight taste of almonds. That's just a special dressing I use. Now eat up, Sweetie!

;-)

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 08:51 PM (RWGcK)

419 >>>I also seem to recall a pretty booby photo shoot starring one Megyn Kelly.

Maybe, you know, that might have been a bad call if you want to be a serious you guys journalist.

Or it could've been attention whoring. She started trending to what seemed like attention whoring and it was a big reason I quit watching.

...

Politics should mean more than personalities, it really should.

So we're just going to keep on trashing her...?

I just don't see the point.

Oh well, carry on as you will.

Posted by: ace who goes by Paolo at August 08, 2015 08:51 PM (dciA+)

420 I see different players and the exact same game.

Nah, several of the Not-Romneys are much better and duh Jeb is failing the inevitability test pretty hard.

It's still early and it's still a circus.

Posted by: DaveA at August 08, 2015 08:51 PM (DL2i+)

421 Posted by: ace who goes by Paolo at August 08, 2015 08:44 PM (dciA+)

Well, then I think you misunderstand what mean by being rude and hitting back and not playing the game.

In the world of TV punditry being rude means you sighed loud enough to be heard. Hitting back means you questioned the validity of the question. Playing the game means you stay within bounds.

I say folks here and in the real world need to stop doing that.

I am not saying you act like a mindless dick. I am saying you reset the rules to match the seriousness of the issues and resist manipulations.

I want, for example, Rich Lowry, to respond to Anfrea Mitchell with " Oh, please, Andrea, that was the dumbest crap I've heard all week."

Posted by: Bearded Spock at August 08, 2015 08:51 PM (MQEz6)

422 i just have to say that at some point this "Manly Anger" sure looks a lot like Womanly Whining.

Posted by: ace who goes by Paolo at August 08, 2015 08:51 PM (dciA+)

423 I am much more offended at Kelly and fox for becoming debaters instead of moderators than the war on women angle.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 08, 2015 08:52 PM (ODxAs)

424 WHOOOO ARRRRRE YOUUUUU?!?!?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 08, 2015 08:52 PM (rwI+c)

425 410 A valuable reality check

Posted by: MAx at August 08, 2015 08:52 PM (LAliD)

426 Cannoli, bragged about. Not sharing with ettes. Sigh

There's some leftover Georgia Peach cobbler but no USB 3.0 so can't help ya.

Posted by: DaveA at August 08, 2015 08:52 PM (DL2i+)

427 398 I also seem to recall a pretty booby photo shoot starring one Megyn Kelly.

Maybe, you know, that might have been a bad call if you want to be a serious you guys journalist.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 08, 2015 08:46 PM (oFCZn)

Lolololol. Not anymore, man. Beyoncé is a huge Feminist Hero because she stood in front of a big neon sign that read "FEMINIST" while her cooter was hanging out. Kelly's shoot was mild compared to that, but regardless this kind of thing is seen as some form of female empowerment now (so long as it's the right kind of female, of course) instead of objectification for the pleasure of men.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at August 08, 2015 08:52 PM (KkVB6)

428 Suspect the first GOP candidate to offer to host a Wine and Brie summit with Trump and Kelly would get big time publicity.
Blessed are the peacemakers.

Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at August 08, 2015 08:53 PM (uPxUo)

429 They were all engaged in going after republicans not named Jeb!The three planned it.

Posted by: Carol at August 08, 2015 08:53 PM (sj3Ax)

430 In the world of TV punditry being rude means you sighed loud enough to be heard.
Posted by: Bearded Spock

Just so you know, that is a bad idea.

Posted by: not-President Al Gore at August 08, 2015 08:53 PM (ZCFje)

431 i don't get why megyn kelly can't show off her sweetass little body and also be what she obviously is, a sharp, cunning, and hard-working anchorwoman.

I don't get the retrograde sort of idea that if she doesn't act like a Proper Lady at all times, we don't have to treat her like a lady.

Mind you, I don't give a shit about Trump's on the rag line, but I don't get this retrograde nonsense either.

Posted by: ace who goes by Paolo at August 08, 2015 08:53 PM (dciA+)

432 @403You get Sgt. Carter
----------------

I don't suppose that's Agent Carter's hot sister, is it?

Posted by: junior at August 08, 2015 08:54 PM (3uPSc)

433
We're being played, scammed, manipulated, bamboozled, and gaslighted.

Posted by: Ned Corheight

You forgot cuckholded. And butt-f***ed

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at August 08, 2015 08:54 PM (+1T7c)

434 Erik Erickson has shown himself to be a silly dope.

Trump continued being Trump.

Megyn was whiny. Tighten up, buttercup.

Calling a woman disgusting may be rude, but it isn't sexist.

I'm all for more polite and civil day to day conversations. For example, I'm not a big fan of swearing. But can we please stop this "if you say anything bad about a woman it's sexist" nonsense?

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at August 08, 2015 08:54 PM (LxBcy)

435 Not just for breakfast.

Especially good with chicken

Posted by: Waffles For Breakfast at August 08, 2015 08:54 PM (zyIlW)

436 Good to see that Ace and the Horde, who got verklempt 72 hours ago when Kelly Osborne said Mexican women clean toilets, no longer want to engage in micro-controversies.

Shows real growth.

Posted by: Kate58 at August 08, 2015 08:55 PM (oLZsm)

437 Suspect the first GOP candidate to offer to host a Wine and Brie summit with Trump and Kelly would get big time publicity.
Blessed are the peacemakers.

Posted by: Man from Wazzustan

PFFFFT! No arugula?

I ain't going.

Posted by: Pres. IGotThis at August 08, 2015 08:55 PM (ZCFje)

438 They were all engaged in going after republicans not named Jeb!The three planned it.
Posted by: Carol

Exactly. Charles Foster Murdoch and the Chamber of Cronyism want an establishment, amnesty candidate.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at August 08, 2015 08:55 PM (awspb)

439 431 -- ace who goes by Paolo

Agree.

Posted by: eleven at August 08, 2015 08:56 PM (MDgS8)

440 Holy shit, I can't believe that works. I'm so going to try this.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 08, 2015 08:51 PM (rwI+c)

Right except now I'm worried what might be on the sandwich after yelling at her...

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 08, 2015 08:56 PM (oFCZn)

441 If you look at RS website, they had Jeb Huckabee! I'm not sure if Santorum is or was there, nor do I care.

Posted by: Carol at August 08, 2015 08:56 PM (sj3Ax)

442 The GOP has succeeded on the state level in many places, and that is because they can play better retail politics at that level.

The AL GOP is acting a lot like the national party lately.

It's contributing to my burning rage.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, hither and yon at August 08, 2015 08:56 PM (m9V0o)

443 Good to see that Ace and the Horde, who got verklempt 72 hours ago when Kelly Osborne said Mexican women clean toilets, no longer want to engage in micro-controversies.

Is this English? I get nothing from it.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 08, 2015 08:57 PM (rwI+c)

444 >>Right except now I'm worried what might be on the sandwich after yelling at her...

It will be delicious!

Now, drink this...

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 08:57 PM (RWGcK)

445 >>>Is it possible that maybe every one of us on this planet has a unique personality? And are unique people? And respond to different types of people and different personality types differently?

And act and speak differently?

And are offended / not offended by different things?

This is why I think a lot of Trump supporters double down -- they get this sneaking suspicion that some of the vitriol directed at Trump is actually being directed at them. And that to a certain segment of the population, largely defined by geography, they are "the others" and they are an embarrassment?

...

do I understand that? I've written whole long posts on that.

but yes, conceding that, yes, I concede all that, but i have to tell you, it becomes kind of obvious that a great deal of this boils up from a sense of resentment at one's position in the social hierarchy, and that begins to look embarrassing.

And that in turn leads to adult men just churning out curse after curse like impotent old gypsy crones.

It's not a good look.

Please try to look at this from the outside. it's just not a good look.

Posted by: ace who goes by Paolo at August 08, 2015 08:57 PM (dciA+)

446 Whatever will become of us??!!

Posted by: Thousands of Moron-Megyn handbabies at August 08, 2015 08:57 PM (NeFrd)

447 The AL GOP is acting a lot like the national party lately.

It's contributing to my burning rage.

Posted by: Brother Cavil

INDEED!

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a rube in America at August 08, 2015 08:58 PM (+1T7c)

448 Brussel sprouts offend me.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at August 08, 2015 08:58 PM (zyIlW)

449 Can we get Captain Carter? She's smart and knows how to handle firearms and is experienced with small unit tactics.

Posted by: Ned Corheight at August 08, 2015 08:58 PM (q12E+)

450 '104 Apparently Allies congratulated the debate team for a job well done, so they're being applauded, I suppose, for not giving equal time to all the candidates and for trying to bait Trump-.

Hooray for them-NOT."

Christ I don't like Fox and don't have cable anyway but they set a record.

They did their job, which if you ever listened to Limbaugh you'd know, which was to get eyeballs on the screen.

Oh sure sure they are doomed now and it's all downhill from here, but at least they rose higher on the hill than anyone before them.

What have you done?

Type on the internet?

Posted by: twoslaps at August 08, 2015 08:58 PM (1dFgZ)

451 >>> Good to see that Ace and the Horde, who got verklempt 72 hours ago when Kelly Osborne said Mexican women clean toilets, no longer want to engage in micro-controversies.

Shows real growth.

...

i didn't get "verklempt" about it, idiot. I laughed about it.

Posted by: ace who goes by Paolo at August 08, 2015 08:58 PM (dciA+)

452 7

This is why Democrats will win easily in 2016 and forever after.

Democrats will win easily because more than half the voters receive free shit from the government. Those sheeple will continue to vote Democratic, even if Elsie the Cow is running for office. The 47 percent of us that continue to work and pay taxes are royally fucked. Now and forever.

Pass the chips and salsa. Gracias.

Posted by: Ramon in Tejas at August 08, 2015 08:59 PM (hRytD)

453 ...and works well under pressure.

Posted by: Ned Corheight at August 08, 2015 08:59 PM (q12E+)

454 Whatever will become of us??!!
Posted by: Thousands of Moron-Megyn hand babies

How crunchy are you?

Posted by: Margaret Sanger at August 08, 2015 08:59 PM (awspb)

455 I think Eric was on his period this week and this is why he became so defensive...

Posted by: Thurston Howell Trump at August 08, 2015 08:59 PM (Y5ikf)

456
423 At some point we're gonna have to be irritated enough at the outrageous conduct of so-called "moderators" to make it an issue and get this bullshit stopped.
Trump's infelicitous response is I hope an opening salvo in that.
Y'know, so much outrageous shit that people complain about but do nothing... like civil asset forfeiture. If it's not MADE an issue, it never becomes one. 10 years of that shit at least and none ofour rock-ribbed conservative representatives have made any sort of move on it at all.
Either it's important enough to do something about it or it isn't.

Posted by: MAx at August 08, 2015 08:59 PM (LAliD)

457 One possible approach future moderators might take with Trump is to actually ask him detailed and substantive policy questions. If he can't answer them, then he's got no reason to complain.

Just a suggestion.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at August 08, 2015 08:59 PM (KVRil)

458 431 i don't get why megyn kelly can't show off her sweetass little body and also be what she obviously is, a sharp, cunning, and hard-working anchorwoman.

I don't get the retrograde sort of idea that if she doesn't act like a Proper Lady at all times, we don't have to treat her like a lady.

Mind you, I don't give a shit about Trump's on the rag line, but I don't get this retrograde nonsense either.

Posted by: ace who goes by Paolo at August 08, 2015 08:53 PM (dciA+)

I never said anything about it justifying bad behavior.

I don't remember Jessica Savitch doing a photo spread like that but maybe she did. That was a long time ago.

Maybe it's a John Stewart thing with some of these people, except instead of clown nose off/on it's sexy dress off/on.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 08, 2015 08:59 PM (oFCZn)

459 @449 Can we get Captain Carter? She's smart and knows how to handle firearms and is experienced with small unit tactics.
------------------------

Unfortunately, she's not available right now. She's babysitting some 90 pound weakling named Rogers.

Posted by: junior at August 08, 2015 09:00 PM (3uPSc)

460 i didn't get "verklempt" about it, idiot. I laughed about it.

Posted by: ace who goes by Paolo

Threadwinner!!!

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a suck-up in America at August 08, 2015 09:00 PM (+1T7c)

461 'And that in turn leads to adult men just churning out curse after curse like impotent old gypsy crones. '

Now you hurt my feelings.

Posted by: freaked at August 08, 2015 09:01 PM (BO/km)

462 When it comes to winning over male conservative bloggers, I've got an ace in the hole.

Posted by: Megyn Kelly at August 08, 2015 09:01 PM (ktNqo)

463 Thinner!

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 08, 2015 09:01 PM (rwI+c)

464 How quickly we have forgotten about the confederate flag controversy.

Posted by: Weasel at August 08, 2015 09:01 PM (e3bId)

465 >>>I never said anything about it justifying bad behavior.

I don't remember Jessica Savitch doing a photo spread like that but maybe she did. That was a long time ago.

Maybe it's a John Stewart thing with some of these people, except instead of clown nose off/on it's sexy dress off/on.

...

you're just churning out every derogatory half-baked negative thing you can think of about Kelly.

We get it, already. You like Trump and you hate Kelly.

Got it.

It's allllll personalities.

This personality I like, this one I don't like so much.

Posted by: ace who goes by Paolo at August 08, 2015 09:01 PM (dciA+)

466 Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 08:46 PM (RWGcK)

I too had no idea Rand wore hearing aids. I think the Examiner just outed him in an underhanded way.

As far as I know, that's never been public knowledge.

And I know people who wear hearing aids -- its barely noticeable, and only if you're really looking.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 08, 2015 09:01 PM (AkOaV)

467 I'd still hit it, huffy and prissy or not.

Posted by: Hank at August 08, 2015 09:02 PM (N0Gml)

468 Lol, the support of Trump is just a big middle finger to the GOPE. They foisted John McCain and Mitt Romney on the base. Both losers who wouldn't fight back against someone constantly hitting them in the back of the head with a board. They were given the house and senate and nothing. Why are people supporting Trump, because it pisses off the people who think they are our betters. I don't support Trump, but I like the slap downs! Girl or boy, Trump will square up and punch you in the mouth.

Posted by: Africanus at August 08, 2015 09:02 PM (MVh/N)

469 Sure Brady has won 4 Super Bowls, but he lost to Eli Manning, who isn't that good, really, so Brady sucks.

Same with Fox News, and I hate the damn cheating Patriots.

Fox News doesn't exist to promote Truth or make you want to do anything but watch and buy the sponsors products.

There is nothing wrong with this. You got a problem, start your own damn network tough guy.

Posted by: twoslaps at August 08, 2015 09:03 PM (1dFgZ)

470 There is nothing wrong with this. You got a problem, start your own damn network tough guy.

Who are you talking to?

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 08, 2015 09:04 PM (rwI+c)

471 I too had no idea Rand wore hearing aids. I think the Examiner just outed him in an underhanded way.
---

I had no idea either, but I think the story makes Rand the sympathetic character, not Trump.

It's not clear to me if Trump was taking a shot at him or not. As with a lot of these things, it's very much subject to interpretation.

Where I guess I differ from a lot of people here is that I found Trump's shots at McCain to be out of bounds for someone auditioning for commander-in-chief. They were so odious that even the American Legion commented on them and the AL in my experience stays out of politics.

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 09:04 PM (RWGcK)

472 Are you really saying that the fact that she volunteered for this with one guy now makes her open season for any asshole who wants to say something crude to her?

Why is Megyn Kelly's publicity-seeking appearance on howard (and publicity is a big part of her business) somehow a carte blanche to go nuts on her?

I doubt you meant this...

Wise call, Ace, because that's not what I said.

I think you must have just brain-farted here, because if I take you at your word

Again, you wouldn't be taking me at my word because that's not what I said. I said Trump would have probably called her that anyway. I didn't say it justified what he said or what others have said about her. It doesn't.

As long as we're talking about decorum and associating yourself with respectful, I figured, as long I've engaged in a decent amount of criticism of Trump I'd offer that up as well.

A useful piece of advice for anybody who wants to be regarded as a respected and dignified public figure to be admired would be:

1. Do not go on the show of somebody who is a much bigger asshole than Donald Trump will ever be (and again, that's not coming from someone who likes Trump). Doing that is a little more than light innuendo with one person at some waffle house.

Would Trump have said it anyway? Yeah, probably. I doubt he even remembers the interview. Doing stuff like that might have had just something to do with liberals' perceptions of her over the years which just might have seeped over into the overall knock on her that her critics offer.

Are those critics wrong? Yeah. She's a serious journalist and tough interviewer.

As long as we're on this subject, though, I've spent weeks bashing Trump. He's not a real conservative or a serious person. Anybody who actually supports him is getting taken in.

As long as we're on this subject, though, talking about disrespectful remarks by Trump of Megyn Kelly, touches on the boorishness of Trump as much the decorum of Megyn Kelly. Overall she's acted in a very dignified. She does not warrant Trump's acts. She has done stuff here and there to help foster the knock on her, though. So since there is a criticism that can be made of her here, I'm going to offer it.

Now, see, that's how much I have to write to make sure I'm clear.

Posted by: AD at August 08, 2015 09:05 PM (s4wTA)

473 Dack, I'm sorry to be picking on you.

I just don't like that every dispute we have turns into the same thing -- just personal attack, personal attack, personal attack.

I gotta say, at this point in the thread, I think we've had plenty of personal disparagements of Erickson and Kelly.

Enough of it.

Posted by: ace who goes by Paolo at August 08, 2015 09:05 PM (dciA+)

474 Well, since many of you probably have lower IQ's than myself, I will let you in a secret that many people just figure out: Nobody really gives a shit about you but you and your family and your friends and neighbors.

So, politically, the goal is always the one who perchance might do the least damage.

There are many decades of decline wherein motivated persons can achieve the dreams they have, and all the while millions of shitstains bitching about how tough it is in America in 2015.

Posted by: twoslaps at August 08, 2015 09:05 PM (1dFgZ)

475
Leipshuns, Im leaving Five Guys.

Posted by: Soothsayer II, twelve-time Top Commenter at August 08, 2015 09:05 PM (g5End)

476 I'd still hit it, huffy and prissy or not.

*****

Incoming!!!

Posted by: Thousands of Moron-Megyn handbabies at August 08, 2015 09:05 PM (NeFrd)

477 448 Brussel sprouts offend me.
Posted by: SMFH at it all at August 08, 2015 08:58 PM (zyIlW)

You're not making them right. You have to pan fry them in bacon drippings with garlic, salt, and pepper, deglaze the pan with some cider vinegar, and top with chopped bacon. That or smothered in a cheese sauce about the only way I find them edible.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at August 08, 2015 09:06 PM (KkVB6)

478 "How quickly we have forgotten about the confederate flag controversy."

That was like four things ago, wasn't it? baby parts, confederate flag, cecil the lionhearted, schumer (quickly buried), and Trump.

Posted by: Ned Corheight at August 08, 2015 09:06 PM (q12E+)

479 I'd still hit it, huffy and prissy or not.

*****

Incoming!!!
Posted by: Thousands of Moron-Megyn hand babies

Cha-Ching!

Posted by: Margaret Sanger at August 08, 2015 09:06 PM (awspb)

480 >>474 Well, since many of you probably have lower IQ's than myself

*click*

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 09:07 PM (RWGcK)

481 Google shows D-J-T as Dow Jones Transportation Average or Designated Jizz Towel. I'm guessing one of these is bound to have some drama.

Posted by: irright at August 08, 2015 09:08 PM (DtNNC)

482 Republican or Democrat

Fox News or MSNBC

You decide

You can't say neither because it all comes down to those options at the bell and you step in the center of the ring.

Posted by: Hank at August 08, 2015 09:08 PM (N0Gml)

483 Trump didn't mean menstruation, he said he meant her nose. I have no reason to doubt him since he is known to be incredibly HONEST. Also, I never thought that was was he meant when I first read the comment. Also, as his spox said: "only a deviant" would think Trump meant menstruation. Also, a bit later, he used the **same expression** in regards to MALE Chris Wallace. So he couldn't possibly have meant menstruation.

Trump Derangement Syndrome is so bad that some conservatives afflicted with the malady are jumping to the GUTTER to attack Trump. They sound EXACTLY like the NYT. Example: the article Drudge has up from the NYT has an opening paragraph unequivocally stating that Trump meant menstruating. Some conservatives are JUST AS SURE. They have thrown their lot in with the SCUM of the NYT just to attack Trump.

Now, Erick Erickson is a big ole hypocrite. Twitter has found some of his tweets that are QUITE disparaging of women. He even cheered Trump's comments regarding Rosie O, lol. Plus, he revealed himself just now at his puny "gathering" that he is a Jeb fanboy, calling him the "most conservative Republican governor" barf. No wonder he "disinvited" Trump. Trump is the ONLY threat to Jeb's coronation (well, actually, Trump and JEB are threats to Jeb's win, Jeb does love to stick his foot in his mouth).

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 08, 2015 09:08 PM (xetep)

484 twoslaps -- Who are you talking to?

Posted by: eleven at August 08, 2015 09:08 PM (MDgS8)

485 I have a serious question? What is the email address to "Ask The Blog?"
Thank you. I am confused if it's called Mail Stack or Not?

Posted by: Carol at August 08, 2015 09:08 PM (sj3Ax)

486 I'd still hit it, huffy and prissy or not.

I was looking at old photos of Megyn and she has had some work done. Really well done. Indeed, money well spent. I want to shake the hand of that cosmo surgeon.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 08, 2015 09:08 PM (rwI+c)

487 *Horrified look at Mandy*

Why would you do that to bacon??

Posted by: SMFH at it all at August 08, 2015 09:08 PM (zyIlW)

488 Well this could be a fun little memory game.

What was the thing before the confederate flag thing?

Posted by: Weasel at August 08, 2015 09:09 PM (e3bId)

489 "Trump didn't mean menstruation, he said he meant her nose. I have no reason to doubt him since he is known to be incredibly HONEST"

Aslan, where do you get these things?

Posted by: ace who goes by Paolo at August 08, 2015 09:09 PM (dciA+)

490 Glub, glub, glub......

Posted by: Jessica Savitch at August 08, 2015 09:09 PM (SR3U3)

491 you're just churning out every derogatory half-baked negative thing you can think of about Kelly.

We get it, already. You like Trump and you hate Kelly.

Got it.

It's allllll personalities.

This personality I like, this one I don't like so much.

Posted by: ace who goes by Paolo at August 08, 2015 09:01 PM (dciA+)

Eh I've said negative things about her long before this. Like I said there was just something about her that started to get off putting. There was a time when I almost never missed her show (when she was on during the day I work at home so I could watch it in between assignments). I think it's what someone above said in that she started believing her own press maybe a little too much.

I've never said I liked Trump. I like some of the things he is saying about the Establishment stiffs, but I doubt I'd vote for him unless I hear some specific ideas. He keeps talking about how not only will the wall get built, he'll get the Mexicans to pay for it but I've yet to hear how that's going to happen.

Unfortunately, I imagine we're never going to hear any plans about anything from anyone because these debates are a joke. How are you going to discuss a plan to reform entitlements in 30 seconds?

I don't think what I've said is half-baked, but ok. I'll try and fully bake the next batch before dropping them in the thread.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 08, 2015 09:09 PM (oFCZn)

492 488 Paul Anka

Posted by: MAx at August 08, 2015 09:10 PM (LAliD)

493 Um, I meant: toughen up, buttercup.

Stupid, dirty phone.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at August 08, 2015 09:10 PM (LxBcy)

494 Horned toads squirt blood from their eyes when they're mad. Just noting.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 08, 2015 09:10 PM (rwI+c)

495 Where I guess I differ from a lot of people here is that I found Trump's shots at McCain to be out of bounds for someone auditioning for commander-in-chief. They were so odious that even the American Legion commented on them and the AL in my experience stays out of politics.
Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 09:04 PM (RWGcK)

I doubt Trump knew. I've been to several Rand rallies, met him and person, and am generally pretty much on Team Rand here, and I had no idea. I suppose its possible Trump knew, but...

Oh, and I didn't find his comments on McCain out of bounds.

Well, out of normal bounds I guess, but I wasn't BEYOND INSULTED by it.

Then again, I'm not a vet or a former POW, so... YMMV

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 08, 2015 09:10 PM (AkOaV)

496 473 Dack, I'm sorry to be picking on you.

I just don't like that every dispute we have turns into the same thing -- just personal attack, personal attack, personal attack.

I gotta say, at this point in the thread, I think we've had plenty of personal disparagements of Erickson and Kelly.

Enough of it.

Posted by: ace who goes by Paolo at August 08, 2015 09:05 PM (dciA+)

Ok fair enough.

Just know I posted my last comments before I saw this one.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 08, 2015 09:11 PM (oFCZn)

497 Well this could be a fun little memory game.

What was the thing before the confederate flag thing?

That was the baby parts. What was the thing before Planned Parenthood? The Iran surrender?

Posted by: Ned Corheight at August 08, 2015 09:11 PM (q12E+)

498 I want to shake the hand of that cosmo surgeon.

*****

Ummm, we'd suggest a little caution if it's his right hand. IYKWIMAITYD

Posted by: Thousands of Moron-Megyn handbabies at August 08, 2015 09:11 PM (NeFrd)

499 I'm starting to miss the Christine O'Donnell Wars.

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 09:11 PM (RWGcK)

500 "Who are you talking to?"

The Soul of America.

Posted by: twoslaps at August 08, 2015 09:11 PM (1dFgZ)

501 dack, okay, i might have over-read some of your posts, but when you're down to "Megyn Kelly shouldn't go on Howard Stern if she wants respect," it seems to me you're hitting he bottom of your barrel of disparagements, and maybe you can start checking them for Quality Control before sending them out into the world.

Posted by: ace who goes by Paolo at August 08, 2015 09:11 PM (dciA+)

502 That's the Big Lie, though. They, supposedly, at one time, used the
phrase 'cuckold,' so that made, according to some idiots, the prefix
cuck- automatically racist forever.

Cock-servative?
Coc-suck-ative?

Posted by: Methos, just spitballing, here at August 08, 2015 09:12 PM (ZbV+0)

503 "Blood shooting from your eyes" was a Glenn Beck thing, I think.

Posted by: Ned Corheight at August 08, 2015 09:12 PM (q12E+)

504 Eh? Talk to this ear, the other is a little deaf.

Posted by: The Soul of America at August 08, 2015 09:12 PM (rwI+c)

505 Pretty sure flag was before baby parts and Iran. I think it was flag>Iran>baby parts

Posted by: Weasel at August 08, 2015 09:12 PM (e3bId)

506 494 Horned toads squirt blood from their eyes when they're mad.

You DIDN'T just call Meg a toad did you?

Posted by: freaked at August 08, 2015 09:13 PM (BO/km)

507 Posted by: ace who goes by Paolo at August 08, 2015 09:09 PM (dciA+)

Trump's appeal is his honesty.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 08, 2015 09:14 PM (xetep)

508
505Pretty sure flag was before baby parts and Iran. I think it was flag>Iran>baby parts
you skipped the pudding I tink

Posted by: MAx at August 08, 2015 09:14 PM (LAliD)

509 Speak up, dammit.

Posted by: The Soul of America at August 08, 2015 09:14 PM (rwI+c)

510 474 Well, since many of you probably have lower IQ's than myself
Posted by: twoslaps at August 08, 2015 09:05 PM (1dFgZ)

Undoubtedly true.

Average IQ of the horde is in the 60s. And that's when ace is around.

So we all really appreciate someone of your intellect stopping in to put us on to some of yer fancy book learnin'.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 08, 2015 09:14 PM (AkOaV)

511 The Soul of America.

Today's Chevrolet?

No, wait, that was the Heartbeat ...

Posted by: the 1980s at August 08, 2015 09:15 PM (Xz+Dj)

512 499 I'm starting to miss the Christine O'Donnell Wars.
Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 09:11 PM (RWGcK)

She would be a great addition to this race.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 08, 2015 09:15 PM (yrHD6)

513 Ace (and, yes, this is taking it multiple levels beyond the Stern show), but do you think Miley Cyrus has done anything to warrant disparaging remarks that people make about her?

Posted by: AD at August 08, 2015 09:15 PM (s4wTA)

514 428
Wait, better idea for GOP candidate.
Offer to host cage match between Trump and Kelly. Whiner take all. Sell PPV and self finance campaign. It would be rigged but who could resist.

Posted by: Man from Wazzustan at August 08, 2015 09:15 PM (uPxUo)

515 Well, I don't think either Megyn Kelly or Donald Trump said anything worthy of ostracism.
They're both media personalities with --- surprise! surprise!--- big egos.

Maybe I set the bar too low but this strikes me as a tempest in a teapot.

BTW, in good news, I see that Liberty University invited Bernie Sanders to come speak and that he very graciously accepted.
Or is that bad news? Is Liberty compromising very important values by having a godless, pro-abortion man come as a guest? Is Sanders sullying his purity by deigning to address the clingiest of clingers?
I dunno.

I wonder where you draw the line.
I think there IS a line somewhere, but.......

Posted by: Margarita, who'd rather have a donut at August 08, 2015 09:15 PM (cN9Sk)

516
So we all really appreciate someone of your intellect stopping in to put us on to some of yer fancy book learnin'.

BIG BRANES GOOD!

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 08, 2015 09:16 PM (oVJmc)

517 "Whiner take all."

ISWYDT

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 09:16 PM (RWGcK)

518 zzzZZZZZzzzz

Posted by: The Soul of America at August 08, 2015 09:16 PM (rwI+c)

519 Pudding as in Cosby? He was before flag.
Coz>flag>Iran>baby parts.

Posted by: Weasel at August 08, 2015 09:16 PM (e3bId)

520

Average IQ of the horde is in the 60s. And that's when ace is around.
Which means it hovers in the 30's on the ONT

Posted by: MAx at August 08, 2015 09:16 PM (LAliD)

521 Walid Shoebot found a five year old video of Megyn discussing penises and breasts in the Howard Stern show. She is trashy. Her slutty pics in GQ prove that. She may not have the crotch shots that ALL the other women on Fox have on youtube, she may not dangle her stiletto from her toe like Kimberley G, she may not display her boobs like Judge Jeanine, but she's trashy for other reasons. Yes, all the women on Fox are slutty. Sorry, but true.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 08, 2015 09:17 PM (xetep)

522 "Well, since many of you probably have lower IQ's than myself "

Yo!

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 09:17 PM (dxw2/)

523 Average IQ of the horde is in the 60s. And that's when ace is around.

So we all really appreciate someone of your intellect stopping in to put us on to some of yer fancy book learnin'.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 08, 2015 09:14 PM (AkOaV)

I was tested at an IQ of 138 when I was a child.

That was a long time ago and a lot of beers ago so expect some slippage.

What a joke anyway with my paucity of achievements I don't even like mentioning it.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 08, 2015 09:17 PM (oFCZn)

524 Posted by: Margarita, who'd rather have a donut at August 08, 2015 09:15 PM (cN9Sk)

No, I think it's good for Liberty to expose their students to viewpoints they may not have otherwise heard.

Same is true of all colleges.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 08, 2015 09:17 PM (AkOaV)

525 Sorry if already posted.

http://tinyurl.com/pm2pnvh

Posted by: Reggie1971 at August 08, 2015 09:17 PM (KVRil)

526 I remember when the entire right for years had contempt for Bill Clinton for going on MTV and taking a boxers vs. briefs question.

Posted by: AD at August 08, 2015 09:17 PM (s4wTA)

527
512 499 I'm starting to miss the Christine O'Donnell Wars.
Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 09:11 PM (RWGcK)

She would be a great addition to this race.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 08, 2015 09:15 PM (yrHD6)

It's not too late.

Posted by: Bearded Spock at August 08, 2015 09:17 PM (MQEz6)

528 I will have you know that when I get verklempt, I take verpenecillin to get rid of it.

(But when I get gedempte flaish, I ask for pepper.)

I get tired of this or that pol being the single magical person who will be the salvation of us all. It doesn't happen, and if only one person is right to fix the problems then we are truly screwed.
If we all don't get busy to fix it ourselves we are not worthy of someone coming in on a donkey through the city gates to save us from ourselves.

It treats the whole thing as a spectator sport instead of getting on with our lives and doing the right thing out of our principals.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 08, 2015 09:17 PM (3pRHP)

529 My problem has always been with the failure of the GOP/conservatives/righties/whathaveyou in the public sphere is their inability to adopt successful strategies of the left:

Redirect questions, seize control of narrative, attack the other team and not your allies, use emotional hooks to set up your policy and/or attack the other guy's, don't accept flawed premises.

Instead we get milquetoast bullshit. Trump's silly, crude, churlish schtick is the closest thing the Right has had in a long time. The ONLY reason he's successful right now is that he's filling a void. He's filling it poorly, but he's about the only one doing it.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 08, 2015 09:18 PM (xSCb6)

530 I was tested at an IQ of 138 when I was a child.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 08, 2015 09:17 PM (oFCZn)

Well, jeez, maybe I should just shut up and just absorb all the brilliance you MENSA candidates are putting out there?

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 08, 2015 09:18 PM (AkOaV)

531 >>>Ace (and, yes, this is taking it multiple levels beyond the Stern show), but do you think Miley Cyrus has done anything to warrant disparaging remarks that people make about her?

uh, I don't know, I guess the answer you're seeking is "she doesn't deserve it either but we do it"...? That could very well be true.

As for Megyn Kelly, let's not pretend away the reason for these off-topic disparagements: People are dredging up old Howard Stern appearances as a bit of silly internet vengeance because she asked Donald Trump questions you thought were unfair or too tough.

I'm getting very sick of this part of Trumpism: Following this strutting imbecile's lead in turning every disagreement into a carnival of invective.

Do i care when it's done to miley cyrus? No, I don't know her.

Do I care when it's being done, every day, to people inside conservative tent?

Yes, I am getting tired of that.

Posted by: ace who goes by Paolo at August 08, 2015 09:18 PM (dciA+)

532
515 Sanders' last rally got taken over by Black Lives Matter
It's the new normal, if we let it

Posted by: MAx at August 08, 2015 09:18 PM (LAliD)

533 >>That was a long time ago and a lot of beers ago so expect some slippage.

Ah, but we learned on a thread earlier this week that alcohol does NOT kill brain cells! So you are probably as smart as ever!

Of course, unless you're an astronaut or Ben Carson that MAY mean you've wasted your potential...

(I keed, I keed!)

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 09:18 PM (RWGcK)

534 218 Cannoli recipe?

Posted by: Vendette at August 08, 2015 08:00 PM (keGpD)

1) Get $20 bucks.

2) Go to Ferrara's on Grand Street

3) Order 1 lb. assortment

4) Serve!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 08, 2015 08:01 PM (St6BJ)

But leave the gun

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 08, 2015 09:18 PM (DiZBp)

535 MOAR LED PAINT!!!

*flings poo*

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 08, 2015 09:19 PM (oVJmc)

536 Well, jeez, maybe I should just shut up and just absorb all the brilliance you MENSA candidates are putting out there?

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 08, 2015 09:18 PM (AkOaV)

LOL!

Someone asked me if I'd joined MENSA and I said do they have an open bar?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 08, 2015 09:19 PM (oFCZn)

537 In the missionary position with eyes shut tight, nobody cares what Missy Kelly looked like before the plastic surgeon got his hands on her.

Posted by: Hank at August 08, 2015 09:19 PM (N0Gml)

538 Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 08, 2015 09:17 PM (xetep)

I know, right?

Posted by: Idiocracy was a prophecy at August 08, 2015 09:19 PM (ZbV+0)

539 >>> Average IQ of the horde is in the 60s.

English or Metric?

Posted by: Alfred E at August 08, 2015 09:19 PM (Z+VgD)

540 People who brag about their IQs on the internet < People who brag about their penis size on the internet

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 08, 2015 09:20 PM (oVJmc)

541 "Well, since many of you probably have lower IQ's than myself "

When I took my one and only IQ test back in high school, the counselor wouldn't tell me my score. It must have been pretty bad, so you could be right.

They wouldn't tell me my SAT either.

Posted by: Ned Corheight at August 08, 2015 09:20 PM (q12E+)

542 English or Metric?
Posted by: Alfred E

Worse. Kelvin.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at August 08, 2015 09:20 PM (awspb)

543 523 It took me many years but I finally got my i.q. and my golf score to match

Posted by: MAx at August 08, 2015 09:20 PM (LAliD)

544 521 Walid Shoebot found a five year old video of Megyn discussing penises and breasts in the Howard Stern show. She is trashy. Her slutty pics in GQ prove that. She may not have the crotch shots that ALL the other women on Fox have on youtube, she may not dangle her stiletto from her toe like Kimberley G, she may not display her boobs like Judge Jeanine, but she's trashy for other reasons. Yes, all the women on Fox are slutty. Sorry, but true.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 08, 2015 09:17 PM (xetep)

Ah, jeez, come on. Don't make me defend Megyn Kelly.

I heard her Stern clip a lonng time ago, this is nothing new.

Yeah, not the classiest thing ever, but its Howard Stern for gods sake.

As for all Fox women being sluts?

....??

I mean, you know that sounds a little silly and offensive, right?

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 08, 2015 09:21 PM (AkOaV)

545 Ace, I agree with everything you wrote, by the way.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at August 08, 2015 09:21 PM (LxBcy)

546 I went to get my IQ tested and they gave me a participation trophy.

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at August 08, 2015 09:21 PM (NeFrd)

547 Are people in the "We must stop letting decorum and civility stay our bloody hands and DO WHAT MUST BE DONE, DAMN IT!" camp claiming they're not doing their own moral preening, a sort of "Look At Me, I'm a Tough-Talking Radical Who's Not Gonna Take Any More Guff" kind of pantomime?

Posted by: ace at August 08, 2015 08:29 PM (dciA+)

Actually, with slight modification, this is exactly the establishment GOP's and Kelly's attitude toward Trump.

The problem is that they were so, fucking clumsy about their "doing what must be done dammit" that they have simply empowered Trump.

And now, even in their moment of what?, victory?- they come off like a bunch of little old ladies tut-tutting about mean old boorish Trump what spoiled their afternoon canasta game.

Pitiful.

At least, Cruz had the smarts not to get involved in that nonsense.

Do you realize that once upon a time, for one bright shining moment when Reagan was Prez and Lee Atwater was "being mean" and stuff,

that being Republican was actually considered cool?

Yes, it's true...specifically because we weren't the one's whining about PC and limitations on speech and personal behavior or

moaning about how the best days were behind us-

we, yes, we Republicans were the ones who were ready to hop in that Boss Mustang, slap on the Wayfarers and burn rubber down the road to prosperity, freedom, individualism, and defeat of the Soviet Union..

The Dims in comparison sounded like a bunch of mopey old tut-tutting ladies compared to that.

So, screw anybody whose little gossamer ears are too delicate for some rough back and forth in politics.

Read about the politics of the past - rough language is a proud part of the American experience.

So, toughen up, buttercups and knock Trump out through your ideas- not through your prissy little, pinky-extended, sherry-sipping, lip-pursing, Blue-nosery.

Sheesh.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 08, 2015 09:21 PM (KUa85)

548 This place has the smartest people around on the Internet.

It's like a personal search engine. You can ask a question about anything and get a reliable answer.

Cars, recipes, boobs, jokes, politics, theology, etc.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 08, 2015 09:21 PM (oFCZn)

549 >>>I get tired of this or that pol being the single magical person who will be the salvation of us all. It doesn't happen, and if only one person is right to fix the problems then we are truly screwed.

oh man i totally agree... honestly, i wish people would not say things like this, because it makes them look so, so bad.

It makes me look at them in a new way -- in a very bad new way.

I realize people have different default settings on the Cynical/Hopeful scale, but when someone starts making claims about Their Brand New Hero being the gift to America... oh my goodness, does that person's intellectual stock plummet in the markets of my brain.

Posted by: ace who goes by Paolo at August 08, 2015 09:21 PM (dciA+)

550 She may not have the crotch shots that ALL the other women on Fox have on youtube

What?? BRB.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 08, 2015 09:21 PM (rwI+c)

551 Do I care when it's being done, every day, to people inside conservative tent?

I was under the impression Kelly has been quite vocal in *not* being a conservative.

Posted by: Methos at August 08, 2015 09:21 PM (ZbV+0)

552
As for all Fox women being sluts?

....??

I mean, you know that sounds a little silly and offensive, right?

And kind of hot.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 08, 2015 09:22 PM (oVJmc)

553 Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 08, 2015 09:20 PM (oVJmc)

Well, I don't like to brag -- but Kate Upton did say she was "VERY impressed" the next morning when we woke up so there is that.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 08, 2015 09:22 PM (AkOaV)

554 Is Kelly claiming she is an innocent flower?

If she is, that can be challenged.

If she is not, then the Howard Stern stuff is irrelevant.

Posted by: Bearded Spock at August 08, 2015 09:22 PM (MQEz6)

555 541 That's 'cuz you didn't go to that school

Posted by: MAx at August 08, 2015 09:23 PM (LAliD)

556 "They wouldn't tell me my SAT either."

Whaddya mean? You get that in the mail.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 09:23 PM (dxw2/)

557 What a joke anyway with my paucity of achievements I don't even like mentioning it.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis

You peaked early?

Posted by: Bossy Conservative...a suck-up in America at August 08, 2015 09:23 PM (+1T7c)

558 546 I went to get my i.q. tested and they gave me the key to the mop closet

Posted by: MAx at August 08, 2015 09:24 PM (LAliD)

559 You peaked early?

I was toilet trained at 18 months and it was all downhill from there.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 08, 2015 09:24 PM (rwI+c)

560 I just have to laugh at people who think being a dumb-ass douche-bag = "honest."

Trump is Todd Akin with more money. Actually, Todd Akin is a far better politician than Trump. He actually managed to get himself elected to office for years before he put his foot in his mouth.

An actual pro politician would have anticipated that someone with the current high poll numbers in a crowded field would get more attention from the moderators, up to and including more aggressive questioning. And that actual pro would have had compelling answers to those aggressive questions rehearsed and ready to go, turning even the most aggressive question to the prepared talking point he actually wanted to discuss. That's what a pro politician does.

A pro would have responded in the post-debate interviews by praising the professionalism, reputation, and aggressiveness of Megyn Kelly, and discussing how when you are the leader, you expect to get the most scrutiny.

That's what a pro would have done. And this inability to show that kind of professional discipline is why he will flame out sooner rather than later.

And all the followers will go back to not paying attention to politics as soon as it happens. The reality show stunt will soon be over and the reality show viewers will go back to their other reality show favorites once it is obvious that Trump is getting bored, and getting beaten.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 08, 2015 09:24 PM (ljZD2)

561 "she was "VERY impressed" the next morning when we woke up "

Room service was tip-top, eh?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 09:25 PM (dxw2/)

562 "They wouldn't tell me my SAT either."

Whaddya mean? You get that in the mail.

My mailman died laughing.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 08, 2015 09:25 PM (oVJmc)

563 >>>I was under the impression Kelly has been quite vocal in *not* being a conservative.

sort of, yeah. She says she's conservative on some things and not on others. Has she done much on Planned parenthood? I'd guess she was pro-choice, based on her cultural cohort.

I think she's generally fair and an asset for conservatives (in the sense that she's definitely NOT a warrior for the left), but she is establishment, and she does have the typical liberal leanings of her class.

Posted by: ace who goes by Paolo at August 08, 2015 09:25 PM (dciA+)

564 Like the HAL niner triple zero, I can sometimes feel my mind going.

Posted by: Weasel at August 08, 2015 09:25 PM (e3bId)

565 People who brag about their IQs on the internet

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 08, 2015 09:20 PM (oVJmc)

Can I brag about my penis' IQ?

Posted by: naturalfake at August 08, 2015 09:25 PM (KUa85)

566 I really can't believe this is happening, we're destroying ourselves and our potential candidates - AGAIN!

Stupid parties gotta stupid.

Posted by: Kreplach at August 08, 2015 09:25 PM (JbETL)

567 Patty Ann Brown is not a slut.

Dammit.

Posted by: Bearded Spock at August 08, 2015 09:25 PM (MQEz6)

568 As for Megyn Kelly, let's not pretend away the reason for these off-topic disparagements: People are dredging up old Howard Stern appearances as a bit of silly internet vengeance because she asked Donald Trump questions you thought were unfair or too tough.

Yep, I agree, which is why I'll limit my discussion of it to this thread.

I'll say one other thing, though. As much contempt as I have for Candy Crowley as a debate moderator and as much as I think Megyn Kelly is a better journalist, I always had respect for CNN for being willing to put somebody in that spot who, um, doesn't look like Megyn Kelly.

Anyway, that's also tangential, but since both of them are things I thought at the time and this is the closest we'll probably ever get to the topic, I felt like mentioning it.

Posted by: AD at August 08, 2015 09:26 PM (s4wTA)

569
brb, commencin to eat my Five Guys burgers and fries..

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 09:26 PM (g5End)

570
I think during the french revolution, people wd stick needles in their eyes in order to avoid conscription. No shite. Of course, if they suspected you injured yourself, it was off with your head!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 08, 2015 09:26 PM (iQIUe)

571 An actual pro politician

Nobody much wants pro politician losers anymore, blowdaddy

Posted by: Methos at August 08, 2015 09:26 PM (ZbV+0)

572 Zero point zero.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 08, 2015 09:26 PM (rwI+c)

573 Cars, recipes, boobs, jokes, politics, theology, etc.

****

You said "boobs" twice.

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at August 08, 2015 09:26 PM (NeFrd)

574 So, toughen up, buttercups and knock Trump out through your ideas- not through your prissy little, pinky-extended, sherry-sipping, lip-pursing, Blue-nosery.

Sheesh.
Posted by: naturalfake at August

^^^This^^^

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 08, 2015 09:27 PM (2wfWs)

575 Posted by: mynewhandle at August 08, 2015 09:21 PM (AkOaV)

Youtube women of Fox crotch shots. You might be in for an eye-opener. It's too often to be accidental. Yes, I mean it when I say they are slutty. The women's eyelashes a re so heavy they can barely keep their eyes open! Kimberley G dangling her shoes two years ago was enough for me to realize the truth. The women are there to arouse the men. Morons here probably love it, but it's true. And it's trashy.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 08, 2015 09:27 PM (xetep)

576 Actually you only said "boobs" once, I just went back and re-read it for my own purposes.

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at August 08, 2015 09:27 PM (NeFrd)

577 Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 08, 2015 09:24 PM (ljZD2)

Yeah, pros like Orange and Turtle.

Posted by: Bearded Spock at August 08, 2015 09:27 PM (MQEz6)

578 I would prefer that women not present themselves solely as sexual objects, especially serious people like Megyn is supposed to be, but I recognize that that is just my value system, which has become old fashioned. Everyone struts their stuff now.

So while I would prefer women to be more modest, that doesn't mean Megyn Kelly should be disparaged on that basis especially since everyone apparently does it, and it is quite off topic.

I'm not sure she's ever presented herself as a model of virtue. I don't follow her so I don't know.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at August 08, 2015 09:27 PM (LxBcy)

579 Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 08, 2015 09:24 PM (ljZD2)

Maybe, trumpetdaddy, a lot of people are sick of "professional politicians" and their bullshit.

And maybe "professional politicians" aren't that professional or good at what they do either, and it's all a big circle jerk circus where they fiddlefuck around for a year and half pretending to be outrageously outraged about everything and promising everyone the moon, then they leave for DC and stick 2 middle fingers out the window of the car as soon as they cross state lines.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 08, 2015 09:28 PM (AkOaV)

580 "You said "boobs" twice."

Maybe he likes boobs.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 09:28 PM (dxw2/)

581
What's this about Kasich's daddy being a mailman?

Turns out that the man married to his momma, however, was a banker.

Just kidding. But his my daddy was a mailman crap is dumb.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 09:28 PM (g5End)

582 "I get tired of this or that pol being the single magical person who will
be the salvation of us all. It doesn't happen, and if only one person
is right to fix the problems then we are truly screwed."

------------

As someone said the other day. Very few look at Trump as Batman. Many, however, see him as the Joker and would like to see the GOPe burn.

Posted by: irright at August 08, 2015 09:28 PM (DtNNC)

583 >>> would prefer that women not present themselves solely as sexual objects, especially serious people like Megyn is supposed to be, but I recognize that that is just my value system, which has become old fashioned. Everyone struts their stuff now.

but she doesn't present herself *solely* this way.

I bet there is a single woman here who has not dressed sexy at one time and enjoyed doing so.

Posted by: ace who goes by Paolo at August 08, 2015 09:28 PM (dciA+)

584 I like boobs.

Posted by: Weasel at August 08, 2015 09:29 PM (e3bId)

585
My father was a milkman, and I have dozens of brothers and sisters!

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 09:29 PM (g5End)

586 The women are there to arouse the men. Morons here probably love it, but it's true. And it's trashy.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 08, 2015 09:27 PM (xetep)

well, yes, Fox tends to hire more aesthetically pleasing women to work for them.

That doesn't make the women sluts, and it's trashy in the same sense airlines are trashy for hiring attractive women, or bars are trashy for hiring attractive bartenders, or...

I mean that's just life.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 08, 2015 09:30 PM (AkOaV)

587 Prince Ludwig,I know they're Establishment Arm.

Posted by: Carol at August 08, 2015 09:30 PM (sj3Ax)

588 Aslan's girl, trashy and slutty are not the same thing. Do you have any evidence of their being slutty? And I say this as someone who is not a fan of how they present themselves.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at August 08, 2015 09:30 PM (LxBcy)

589 this is obviously a "sexy pic" but for crying out loud this is just minor cheesecake

http://fanpix.famousfix.com/picture-gallery/megyn-kelly-picture-26939831.htm

it's not like it's porn for crying out loud!

Posted by: ace who goes by Paolo at August 08, 2015 09:30 PM (dciA+)

590 hey carol!

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 08, 2015 09:31 PM (0O7c5)

591 I bet there is a single woman here who has not dressed sexy at one time and enjoyed doing so.

****

Well, there was this one time at band camp...

Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at August 08, 2015 09:31 PM (NeFrd)

592 Does Megyn ever appear on Outnumbered?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 08, 2015 09:31 PM (W5DcG)

593 TRUMP MAKES MY PEE PEE HURT. MY PEEPEE!

Posted by: strumpetdiddy at August 08, 2015 09:32 PM (92YAX)

594 Why can we all just get along?

Posted by: vizzy at August 08, 2015 09:32 PM (iumjx)

595 this is obviously a "sexy pic" but for crying out loud this is just minor cheesecake

--

Um, looks like she's farting...

Posted by: @votermom at August 08, 2015 09:32 PM (cbfNE)

596 Well after this Megyn kelly event I think I know her better: http://tinyurl.com/oqgrzt5

Posted by: MAx at August 08, 2015 09:32 PM (LAliD)

597 In the time of PhotoShop, internet pics don't prove anything. After a certain number of years, they all look alike anyway.

Posted by: Ned Corheight at August 08, 2015 09:32 PM (q12E+)

598 "trashy and slutty are not the same thing."

This fascinates me. I've always equated the two. Ya know, as a guy.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 09:32 PM (dxw2/)

599 Megyn who?

Posted by: Weasel at August 08, 2015 09:32 PM (e3bId)

600 My father was a milkman, and I have dozens of brothers and sisters!

*****

So do we!

Posted by: Thousands of Moron-Megyn handbabies at August 08, 2015 09:32 PM (NeFrd)

601 "An actual pro politician would have anticipated that someone with the current high poll numbers in a crowded field would get more attention from the moderators, up to and including more aggressive questioning."

And an actual pro politician would figure that if the "moderators" worked for a guy who was a longstanding family friend and supporter of another one of the candidates in the race, who the pro had just knocked off as presumptive frontrunner, to expect ESPECIALLY pointed and slanted attention.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 08, 2015 09:33 PM (noWW6)

602 Yes Trumpy is a big FU to the GOP. They made it possible fr him to rise. His problem is that even the people who like him don't like him.

Posted by: freaked at August 08, 2015 09:33 PM (BO/km)

603 Posted by: ace who goes by Paolo at August 08, 2015 09:30 PM (dciA+)

Well, to be fair, it doesn't exactly yell, "Hey, take me seriously as a journalist and respect my intellect and the fact that I have a JD and decided to use that to be a serious journalist, and totally not a sexy teleprompter reader"

BUT that's okay. Just like Scott Brown's doing playgirl (or whatever) didn't bother me, I don't really see a problem with Kelly doing this.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 08, 2015 09:34 PM (AkOaV)

604 As someone said the other day. Very few look at Trump as Batman. Many,
however, see him as the Joker and would like to see the GOPe burn.

HIS HAIR IS THE COLOR OF A TANGERINE

Posted by: Methos at August 08, 2015 09:34 PM (ZbV+0)

605 "Blood coming out of her eyes..." He probably was thinking of that scene in Roger Rabbit where Judge Doom turns around and has fiendish angry toon eyes, with red spirals revolving around as he goes on the attack.

Posted by: Dr. Mabuse at August 08, 2015 09:34 PM (VBbCO)

606 fox women crotch shots

My penis IQ is rising.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 08, 2015 09:34 PM (ODxAs)

607 Ace @583!'You are 100% correct! Women like to be called sexy attractive. I know because I'm a woman have been called that many times, some times by men I'm not interested in. One asked me to marry him as I was crossing Boylston St. in Boston several times especially if I'm wearing dress high heels.I wouldn't dream of wearing dress w/o high heels.

Posted by: Carol at August 08, 2015 09:35 PM (sj3Ax)

608 Erickson has been known to ban people at his website that want to argue against his positions. Several commenters here have noted that were banned from there.

RedState is part of Salem Communications, along with HotAir, Twitchy, Townhall, Human Events and the Hugh Hewitt Show. Lots of people here have been banned from HotAir (I only reached the 'warning' stage before I quit commenting there).

So in short, Salem properties aren't known for their open platform for the exchange of ideas. Okay, okay,

They are censorious pricks. Erick's move on Trump is no different than Brandeis retracting the offer to speak for Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 08, 2015 09:35 PM (gyKtp)

609 >>Posted by: Thousands of Moron-Megyn hand babies

This never gets old. LOL

Posted by: Y-not at August 08, 2015 09:36 PM (RWGcK)

610
this is obviously a "sexy pic" but for crying out loud this is just minor cheesecake

I remember Edward R. Murrow posing in a similar dress.

Or maybe that was Edgar J. Hoover.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 08, 2015 09:36 PM (oVJmc)

611
this is obviously a "sexy pic" but for crying out loud this is just minor cheesecake

I remember Edward R. Murrow posing in a similar dress.

Or maybe that was J. Edgar Hoover.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 08, 2015 09:37 PM (oVJmc)

612
606 Throttle back soldier it was hope in vain

Posted by: MAx at August 08, 2015 09:37 PM (LAliD)

613 Beaver shot:

http://tinyurl.com/o6v8sb5

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 09:37 PM (dxw2/)

614 this is obviously a "sexy pic" but for crying out loud this is just minor cheesecake

--

Um, looks like she's farting...

Posted by: @votermom at August 08, 2015 09:32 PM (cbfNE)

So that's how you gals do a cheek sneak.

And here all along I thought you were giving me a come hither look-

but wearing really lousy perfume.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 08, 2015 09:37 PM (KUa85)

615 My Megyn Kelly action figure sleeps in the nude.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Posted by: Bearded Spock at August 08, 2015 09:37 PM (MQEz6)

616 this is obviously a "sexy pic"

Just curious, but am I the only one who thought all of Kelly's 'sexy' glamour shots were less attractive than her nightly presentation?

Posted by: Methos at August 08, 2015 09:38 PM (ZbV+0)

617 I forgot I have no ampersand in this Mercury Version!

Posted by: Carol at August 08, 2015 09:38 PM (sj3Ax)

618 ace who goes by Paolo: "somehow a carte blanche to go nuts on her?"

Wait, wut?

Well I do declare, you are banned from red state. Banned I say!

Posted by: RedState et al. at August 08, 2015 09:38 PM (1CroS)

619 oops. Semi-double post.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 08, 2015 09:39 PM (oVJmc)

620 Ace, I try to look nice almost always, but I do try to cover up. For Roanoke, I do my best not to expose my cleavage on purpose.

But I will grant that some people may think some of my clothes are suggestive, depending on their standards. After all, I can't help my rear end -It's in my genes and I make no apologies. Instead, I am grateful for it.

Anyway, back to your point. Ahem. There are women out there who don't feel the need to look suggestive. (One could look sexy without trying to or wearing reveling clothing.)

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at August 08, 2015 09:39 PM (LxBcy)

621 Oh, Jesus, enough of that "I don't want a professional politician" crap. Do you also want an amateur heart doctor? How about your wedding photos taken by a guy who has never operated a camera before?

That is the absolute lamest argument. Yeah, we should support someone who has never been elected to jack shit, and has the tact of a shock comic, and the policy understanding of your average 6th grader, but "he's not a pro politician."

Guess what, misguided idealists, if you don't know how to get elected, you'll never be in a position to do anything with your idealism.

People bitch about Mitch McConnell. I hate to tell you, but Sen. McConnell will be re-elected for as long as he wants and will probably be Senate Republican leader for as long as he wants. He was never in any danger of losing in KY. Never. And anybody who had a modicum of knowledge about Kentucky politics could have told you that in January of 2014. I think I actually did tell you that, repeatedly.

And it isn't because of any conspiracy or any of that rot. It's because he is better at his job than other people and has been doing it for a long damn time.

This is why Walker is my choice, amongst other reasons. But he is goddamned good at his job of winning elections and exercising the power gained therefrom.

But, do please continue following amateur politicians, who continually show that they are amateurs. It makes it easier for those of us who support actual professionals.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 08, 2015 09:39 PM (ljZD2)

622 613 Beaver shot:
------
Golf clap

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, at August 08, 2015 09:39 PM (2wfWs)

623 Wow. Roanoke should be "example." Wow autocucumber.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at August 08, 2015 09:40 PM (LxBcy)

624 Beaver shot:

http://tinyurl.com/o6v8sb5

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 09:37 PM (dxw2/)

It doesn't look a bit like Jerry Mathers.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 08, 2015 09:41 PM (DiZBp)

625 613 Hahahahahaha goddammit I got naked and lubed up for nothing

Posted by: MAx at August 08, 2015 09:41 PM (LAliD)

626 Sit on my face and tell me what the NASDAQ is, baby.

Posted by: eleven at August 08, 2015 09:41 PM (MDgS8)

627 I have a blow-up Megyn Kelly action figure.

NTTAWWT

Posted by: Hank at August 08, 2015 09:41 PM (N0Gml)

628 And here I thought you worked in Roanoke. Mysteriously.

Posted by: @votermom at August 08, 2015 09:41 PM (cbfNE)

629 Beaver shot:

http://tinyurl.com/o6v8sb5
Posted by: Ricardo Kill

Nice.
https://youtu.be/wS3LWOTCW4A

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at August 08, 2015 09:42 PM (awspb)

630 No, I don't mind Megyn posing a little sexy (don't mind, hell, I love it), but what I do mind is her throwing Trump's "you'd look good on your knees" line back at him.

That pose is saying, "wouldn't you like me get on my knees for you, big boy?" as well as some other positions. If you do that, don't get all Andrea Dwarkin about a man making some crass sexual reference.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at August 08, 2015 09:42 PM (dvuhZ)

631 I remember Edward R. Murrow posing in a similar dress.

Or maybe that was Edgar J. Hoover.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 08, 2015 09:36 PM (oVJmc)

The only thing that turd Murrow would pose in would be a red flag with a hammer and sickle on it

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 08, 2015 09:42 PM (DiZBp)

632 Nineteen girls murdered for defending their honor against ISIS barbarians, but this country is incensed because 40 yo multi-millionaire newswoman might have been subject of a silly slur.

Posted by: Ever at August 08, 2015 09:42 PM (RqICA)

633 Another Beaver shot:

http://tinyurl.com/nz2wp76

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 08, 2015 09:42 PM (oVJmc)

634 I think if she wore glasses I could take her more seriously and overlook the obvious crampy style.

Posted by: lonetown at August 08, 2015 09:42 PM (M6Esb)

635 600+ comments and you whitey-white mo-fos gotz nuthin' to say 'bout chilluns getting shot by cops??

This whole thread be racycist.......

Posted by: #BlackVotesMatterForDemocrats at August 08, 2015 09:43 PM (5Ev1l)

636 But there's not an infinite supply of platform to go around. It has to be limited somehow. Platform wasted on Trump is platform that other candidates, like Perry and Fiorina, don't get. In fact, Trump is more likely to be running on behalf of the establishment to drown out the other candidates than actually running against the establishment. Fox already gave Trump a bigger platform than he'd get at RedState. And I'm perfectly fine with Erickson limiting his platform only to candidates who aren't running as Democrats. It's his platform, after all.

Posted by: JohnJ at August 08, 2015 09:43 PM (TF/YA)

637 You said "boobs" twice.
Posted by: Muldoon, a solid man at August 08, 2015 09:26 PM (NeFrd)

They do come in pairs.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 08, 2015 09:43 PM (3pRHP)

638 YOU IDIOTS PERFESSIONALS ARE EXACTLY WUT THE FOUNDING FATHERS DREAMED IF IN THE CONSTITUTION,IDIOTS

Posted by: strumpetdiddy at August 08, 2015 09:43 PM (9QUPT)

639 Another Beaver shot:

http://tinyurl.com/nz2wp76

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 08, 2015 09:42 PM (oVJmc)

Gee Wally, was Mr. Trump giving Miss Kelly the business?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 08, 2015 09:44 PM (DiZBp)

640 Um, looks like she's farting...

I thought she was trying to hide her balls.

Posted by: Caitlyn The Bruce at August 08, 2015 09:44 PM (FcR7P)

641 Y'all have peaked too early. ONT won't be up for another hour and a half, probably.

Posted by: Ned Corheight at August 08, 2015 09:45 PM (q12E+)

642 Pols are pros the way some chicks are pros.

Posted by: @votermom at August 08, 2015 09:45 PM (cbfNE)

643 "https://youtu.be/wS3LWOTCW4A"

Never not funny.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 09:45 PM (dxw2/)

644 Ace convinced me with the first half of his review, but then the movie just kept going and going. Peter Jackson must've directed this one.

Posted by: Old Hob at August 08, 2015 09:45 PM (DkXQB)

645 Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 08, 2015 09:39 PM (ljZD2)

Your support of Walker makes Walker look like a pretty bad choice.

Posted by: Bearded Spock at August 08, 2015 09:45 PM (MQEz6)

646 ***"Oh, Jesus, enough of that "I don't want a professional politician" crap. Do you also want an amateur heart doctor? How about your wedding photos taken by a guy who has never operated a camera before?"***

Don't has to read past that paragraph, thankfully.

Don't pretend that being a politician requires specialized skill or schooling. Jeb is a professional politician and is stepping all over his dick with rank amateur moves. Same with Romney, same with McCain.

Get a better argument.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 08, 2015 09:45 PM (xSCb6)

647 IF PEOPLE HERE DON'T STOP SUCKING TRUMP'S DICK, IMMA SHIT IN MY MOUTH!!!! WHO'S WITH ME?????

Posted by: turnippatty at August 08, 2015 09:45 PM (ZCFje)

648 Y'all have peaked too early.

Posted by: Ned Corheight

There's pills for that now.

Posted by: Prince Ludwig the Indestructible at August 08, 2015 09:45 PM (awspb)

649 That's a fine Roanoke you're setting for the young ones!

Posted by: t-bird at August 08, 2015 09:46 PM (FcR7P)

650 Your support of Walker makes Walker look like a pretty bad choice.++

Posted by: Methos at August 08, 2015 09:46 PM (ZbV+0)

651 Coincidence how my commenter-id looks like "jizzdom", I'm sure!

Posted by: strumpetdippy at August 08, 2015 09:47 PM (5Ev1l)

652 "RedState is part of Salem Communications, along with HotAir, Twitchy, Townhall, Human Events and the Hugh Hewitt Show. Lots of people here have been banned from HotAir"

For an especially quick banning from Warm Flatus, be sure to include the words "secession" or "revolution" in your posts.

Poppin' Fresh and Allahpussy will evict you at once.

I swear that during the brief period I ventured over there, I saw commenters get vanished for referring to secession and/or revolution IN OTHER COUNTRIES.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 08, 2015 09:47 PM (noWW6)

653 "I think if she wore glasses I could take her more seriously and overlook the obvious crampy style."

Seriously.

Posted by: R. Perry at August 08, 2015 09:47 PM (dxw2/)

654
Don't pretend that being a politician requires specialized skill or schooling. Jeb is a professional politician and is stepping all over his dick with rank amateur moves. Same with Romney, same with McCain.

^^^^This^^^^^

Posted by: naturalfake at August 08, 2015 09:47 PM (KUa85)

655 It's because he is better at his job than other people and has been doing it for a long damn time.

And look where we are.

More of the same! What a clarion call.

You really are UTTERLY clueless.

Posted by: keep on truckin' at August 08, 2015 09:47 PM (Xz+Dj)

656 Posted by: mynewhandle at August 08, 2015 09:30 PM (AkOaV)

You didn't read a word I wrote. Makes you no better than a troll. I'm talking about the crotch shots not about being attractive. Crotch shots are slutty. There are MANY on youtube, too many to be accidental.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 08, 2015 09:47 PM (xetep)

657
569
brb, commencin to eat my Five Guys burgers and fries..

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 09:26 PM (g5End)

Soothsayer eating Five Guys:

https://youtu.be/DcJFdCmN98s

Posted by: buzzion at August 08, 2015 09:47 PM (zt+N6)

658 Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 08, 2015 09:39 PM (ljZD2)

Huh. Well strangely enough it looks like the non-professional politician is polling higher and is more likely to win than any of the "professional politicians" running, including Scott Walker.

"Politician" is not, nor should it be, a career. And anyone who is a "professional politician" is a professional bullshit artist and most likely highly corrupt.

And why would I want a corrupt bullshit artist representing me and voting in my stead on serious matters around the future of my country?

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 08, 2015 09:48 PM (AkOaV)

659 @638 Hey, smart-ass, do please tell us what profession T. Jefferson, J. Adams, and the boys were engaged in? Oh, that's right, they were professional politicians, elected to colonial offices and everything.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 08, 2015 09:48 PM (ljZD2)

660 636 >> ...And I'm perfectly fine with Erickson limiting his platform only to candidates who aren't running as Democrats.

Uh, Trump WAS invited until he said something Erick didn't like. And he didn't say was "I'm a Democrat now".

Bzzzzt, you lose.

Aaaaand a question for the Horde... All the Megyn slack, is that due to her not looking like Candy Crowley, her conservative bonafides, or her beautimous rack?

(I suspect the answer will be 'Yes')

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 08, 2015 09:48 PM (gyKtp)

661 Black Lives Matter activists disrupt Bernie Sanders speech
When the crowd asked the activists to allow Sanders to speak, one
activist called the crowd "white supremacist liberals," according to
event participants.

We should stop slinging shit at each other and sit back and enjoy this. Isn't this the second time Comrade Bernie has been interrupted by the BLM crowd? Lib on lib attacks are always nice to watch.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 08, 2015 09:48 PM (DiZBp)

662 Um, looks like she's farting...

I thought she was trying to hide her balls.
Posted by: Caitlyn The Bruce at August 08, 2015 09:44 PM (FcR7P)

You shut up! Shut your whore mouth!!

Posted by: Faux Nooz Luvvers at August 08, 2015 09:49 PM (Dj0WE)

663 He makes a nice foil for Fiorina, who is looking positively Thatheresque in the best sense right now.

I'm trying to care about redstates exclusion, because it was at best counterproductive, but with due respect to Erickson I don't think he's the gatekeeper he thinks he is, and Trump is not in danger of anything except helping sensible and strong candidates pop out in relief.

Posted by: SarahW at August 08, 2015 09:49 PM (3fTXW)

664 I used to hear about crotch shots at Fox and didn't believe them -- just figured it was unhinged lefties. Well, youtube proved otherwise. It's shocking to see even Gretchen doing it. Greta is the ONLY lady, true lady on that channel. And that's mostly b/c she wears pants and there are no crotch shots to be had, lol. Maybe that's why, she knows the cameras so upskirts all the time like PERVS.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 08, 2015 09:49 PM (xetep)

665

trumpetdaddy , that's pretty much what you have been doing since you got here.

Posted by: Some random meathead at August 08, 2015 09:49 PM (N2PoX)

666 I swear that during the brief period I ventured over there, I saw commenters get vanished for referring to secession and/or revolution IN OTHER COUNTRIES.
Posted by: torquewrench

The thing about the Industrial Revolution...
*zzzzap*
*static*

Posted by: Tepid Air comments at August 08, 2015 09:49 PM (awspb)

667 Sooth, you been all up in 5 Guys lately.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 09:50 PM (dxw2/)

668 Wow. Roanoke should be "example." Wow auto cucumber.

O.K. That autocorrect made me laugh.

So if you cover up for Roanoke, what Va city do you really strut your stuff for? ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 08, 2015 09:50 PM (OSs/l)

669 Crotch shots are slutty. There are MANY on youtube, too many to be accidental.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 08, 2015 09:47 PM (xetep)

If they are purposely flashing their underwear at the camera, that is certainly somewhat trashy.

But I think when you realize there are approx. 20 years of footage, live on air nearly 24/7... mishaps and "wardrobe malfunctions" are bound to happen.

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 08, 2015 09:50 PM (AkOaV)

670 Do NOT get me started on John Adams!

Posted by: @votermom at August 08, 2015 09:50 PM (cbfNE)

671 what you're doing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvJRI_Ftm0

Posted by: vizzy at August 08, 2015 09:50 PM (iumjx)

672 The problem with professional politicians is what would attract them to such a 'calling' in the first place - they like to tell other people what to do.

People like to be left alone to not run for office.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at August 08, 2015 09:51 PM (NaeCR)

673 Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 08, 2015 09:48 PM (ljZD2)

Never takes long for TrumpetDaddyIssues to show his aggressive ignorance.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 08, 2015 09:51 PM (xSCb6)

674 +++ smart-ass, do please tell us what profession T. Jefferson, J. Adams, and the boys were engaged in? Oh, that's right, they were professional politicians, elected to colonial offices and everything. +++

Wow.

Posted by: Some random meathead at August 08, 2015 09:51 PM (N2PoX)

675 "This is why Walker is my choice, amongst other reasons. But he is goddamned good at his job of winning elections and exercising the power gained therefrom."

There are severe inflection points and discontinuities in between the state level and the national level in politics.

Some people who were unstoppable juggernauts in their home states were never able to get traction when they tried to get out onto the national stage.

It's still much more art than science, Luntz-dunce focus groups notwithstanding.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 08, 2015 09:51 PM (noWW6)

676
Soothsayer eating Five Guys:

https://youtu.be/DcJFdCmN98s

Posted by: buzzion

Or:
https://youtu.be/wyzxg66CZ68

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 08, 2015 09:51 PM (ZCFje)

677 "is more likely to win"

Yeah, I'm sure President Giuliani can tell us all about how leading the polls in a multi-candidate race 15 months out is a guarantee of success. And that guy actually had been elected to office before.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 08, 2015 09:51 PM (ljZD2)

678 Hi Phoenix Girl-I only stopped in to tell Ace about article at Federalist about Ben Carson. I had just listened to podcast and writer there thinks he's got no business being on RNC debate stage or primary - I don't either!
Now I've been here for 2.5 hours, if not longer.

Posted by: Carol at August 08, 2015 09:52 PM (sj3Ax)

679 Hey, smart-ass, do please tell us what profession T. Jefferson, J. Adams, and the boys were engaged in? Oh, that's right, they were professional politicians, elected to colonial offices and everything.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 08, 2015 09:48 PM (ljZD2)

Hmmm, you're right. Let's elect The Donald, so he can be a professional politician too. Then all will be well.

Posted by: Trumpsmydaddy at August 08, 2015 09:52 PM (Dj0WE)

680
For an especially quick banning from Warm Flatus, be sure to include the words "secession" or "revolution" in your posts.
Posted by: torquewrench

Banned for "Jeffersonian fantasies".

Love that so much.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 08, 2015 09:52 PM (kdS6q)

681

And this is why I live aces mind and this place

Posted by: ThunderB at August 08, 2015 09:52 PM (zOTsN)

682 trumpetdaddy wants pros that know how to be pros, that last like pros, talk like pros, walk like pros, dress like pros, and smell like pros.

What these pros are supposed to accomplish is not clear.

Posted by: Bearded Spock at August 08, 2015 09:53 PM (MQEz6)

683 I'm crushed by the idea that we do not have carte blanche to nut on Megyn.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 08, 2015 09:53 PM (rwI+c)

684 Read 'Greta' and 'crotch shot' in same post.

Must. Stab. Brain. Now.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 08, 2015 09:53 PM (oVJmc)

685 "Do NOT get me started on John Adams!
Posted by: @votermom at August 08, 2015 09:50 PM (cbfNE)"

Wut? Wait.. ok, I have the miniseries DVDs. What is this about John Adams?

The internet is full of John Adams quotes.

Posted by: Ned Corheight at August 08, 2015 09:53 PM (q12E+)

686 "Yeah, I'm sure President Giuliani can tell us all about how leading the polls in a multi-candidate race 15 months out is a guarantee of success. And that guy actually had been elected to office before"

In mid-1979, Ronald Raven -- excuse me, Ronald REAGAN -- was at a whopping 9% in the polls.

Poppy Bush was the presumptive frontrunner with a commanding, and dare I say, insurmountable lead.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 08, 2015 09:54 PM (noWW6)

687 FOX NEWS:

Come for the feminist scolding.

Stay for the camel toe.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 08, 2015 09:54 PM (KUa85)

688 I don't always pontificate ignorantly about shit I know nuthin'about, but when I do, it's about the GOPe slide into irrelevance!

Stay conservative, my friends!

Posted by: strumpetdippy at August 08, 2015 09:54 PM (5Ev1l)

689 Sooth, you been all up in 5 Guys lately.

Hey, me too!

Posted by: Andi Sullivan at August 08, 2015 09:55 PM (oVJmc)

690 And I'm perfectly fine with Erickson limiting his platform only to candidates who aren't running as Democrats.

He disinvited Jeb, Rubio, Christie, and Kasich?

I missed that headline.

Posted by: Methos at August 08, 2015 09:55 PM (ZbV+0)

691 RedState lost me over their Derbyshire histrionics.

Posted by: OCBill at August 08, 2015 09:55 PM (VCCXE)

692 We should stop slinging shit at each other and sit back and enjoy this. Isn't this the second time Comrade Bernie has been interrupted by the BLM crowd? Lib on lib attacks are always nice to watch.

I agree, particularly as I don't see that there's anything really at stake here. People need to sit back and watch and laugh. Don't get caught up with a candidate, they're all politicians anyway. Don't get too personally invested. Just watch the show and munch on some popcorn. Giggle at the left struggling to sell decrepit leftist radical dinosaurs as hip and current moderates.

Enjoy how the left betrays everything they claim to stand for as they smear blacks, hispanics, women, and even a guy with heritage tracing back to India. Laugh while you can.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 08, 2015 09:55 PM (39g3+)

693
I'm still a thing, right?

Cuz I got plenty to crow about!

Posted by: Ronald Raven at August 08, 2015 09:55 PM (KUa85)

694 @683

Always the internet. Cover the mini-cam.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 09:56 PM (dxw2/)

695 What these pros are supposed to accomplish is not clear.
Posted by: Bearded Spock

He's already told us peons; he wants them to run for office again.

'Round and 'round he goes, where he gets off, know one cares to know.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 08, 2015 09:56 PM (ZCFje)

696 >>>Poppy Bush was the presumptive frontrunner with a commanding, and DARE I SAY, insurmountable lead.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 08, 2015 09:54 PM (noWW6)

Dare, Dare!

Posted by: Sherrif Bart at August 08, 2015 09:56 PM (5Ev1l)

697 "What these pros are supposed to accomplish is not clear."

First rule of politics, no matter your ideology, is that you can't accomplish anything if you don't win the election.

So, I'm interested in people who have a track record of winning, getting things done, then winning again.

Hence my support of Scott Walker.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 08, 2015 09:56 PM (ljZD2)

698 The internet is full of John Adams quotes.
Posted by: Ned Corheight

90% of the quotes attributed to me on the internet are bullshit.

Posted by: John Adams at August 08, 2015 09:56 PM (awspb)

699 Very nice rant, Ace. Given that Trump speaks "off the cuff" all the time, this was bound to happen. You are right on target.
Susan

Posted by: Susan Lee at August 08, 2015 09:56 PM (lhUKu)

700 Wut? Wait.. ok, I have the miniseries DVDs. What is this about John Adams?

The internet is full of John Adams quotes.
Posted by: Ned Corheight at August 08, 2015 09:53 PM (q12E+)

Best thing about the John Adams mini-series: all the actors had to walk around with licorice stuck in their teeth. To be authentic about the bad dentistry or something.

Posted by: BurtTC at August 08, 2015 09:56 PM (Dj0WE)

701 Horrors. My assertions have been totally destroyed by utterly unassailable logic. I am shamed.

Posted by: JohnJ at August 08, 2015 09:56 PM (TF/YA)

702 And it isn't because of any conspiracy or any of that rot. It's because he is better at his job than other people and has been doing it for a long damn time.

A quibble:

There were guys like Pat Toomey who were snuffed out during the 2000s in favor of incumbents like Arlen Specter. While that has hardly the only reason, it was one of the reasons why the Republican bench was so thin in 2012 and why Congress has been so stale.

I take it as a given that Mitch McConnell and people who share his views on politics have taken steps to whack their opponents. Every political leader has. It doesn't make it necessarily illegitimate. It just depends on whether you support him. I also don't support the "whatever is is right" view of the world, though.

Washington, D.C. hasn't boomed as a city and lobbying firms haven't exponentially multiplied, because the swamp it was built on is good for people's health. Those firms also didn't seem to hurt for cash when Republicans were in power.

If our leadership and the lobbying industry view themselves as opponents, it's escaped my attention. So, if you want someone to change things, I wouldn't sit back in contentment at the heads of our party.

Posted by: AD at August 08, 2015 09:56 PM (s4wTA)

703
What these pros are supposed to accomplish is not clear.

Composing prose?

Posted by: Andi Sullivan at August 08, 2015 09:57 PM (oVJmc)

704 Yeah, I'm sure President Giuliani can tell us all about how leading the polls in a multi-candidate race 15 months out is a guarantee of success. And that guy actually had been elected to office before.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 08, 2015 09:51 PM (ljZD2)

Oh, so the professional pollsters working for the professional politicians are getting it wrong?

Or are the voters just in flux and stupid and not as smart as you?

Posted by: mynewhandle at August 08, 2015 09:57 PM (AkOaV)

705 Isn't this the second time Comrade Bernie has been interrupted by the BLM crowd? Lib on lib attacks are always nice to watch.
Posted by: TheQuietMan

Have they ever interrupted Hillary?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at August 08, 2015 09:57 PM (W5DcG)

706 The Founding Fathers hired Mexicans to run their farms.

GOOGLE IT

Posted by: Strimpetdiddy at August 08, 2015 09:57 PM (92YAX)

707 680 Banned for "Jeffersonian fantasies".

Love that so much.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 08, 2015 09:52 PM (kdS6q)

Now that's a label to wear proudly. My hat's off to LDC.

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 08, 2015 09:57 PM (gyKtp)

708 667 Sooth, you been all up in 5 Guys lately.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 09:50 PM (dxw2/)

Those words in that order makes it sound like a gay pron video.

Not that's there anything wrong with that.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 08, 2015 09:57 PM (oFCZn)

709 Soothsayer eating Five Guys:

https://youtu.be/DcJFdCmN98s

No way in hell I'm clicking on that.

Posted by: t-bird at August 08, 2015 09:58 PM (FcR7P)

710
that Oh My Dayum is pretty a good vid

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 09:58 PM (g5End)

711
Now that's a label to wear proudly. My hat's off to LDC.
Posted by: GnuBreed

Not me. Soona maybe?

But still, glorious,

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 08, 2015 09:58 PM (kdS6q)

712 Boobs qualifies as boob + boob.
Plural, so, he said it twice.

Posted by: Chi at August 08, 2015 09:59 PM (vlvwn)

713 is that you can't accomplish anything if you don't win the election.

Thank God we've got that sort of thing in the bag!

Posted by: Electable Professional Politicians John McCain and Mitt Romney at August 08, 2015 09:59 PM (Xz+Dj)

714 "Not that's there anything wrong with that."

Pardon. Not my intention.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 09:59 PM (dxw2/)

715 To me I couldn't care less about Kelly, Erickson or Trump.I only saw less than 1/2 hour of debate @ the end. It was tone of all Faux News Anchors, especially Matthews and Kelly, Baier wasn't as bad.

I stayed here because I'm having fun!

Posted by: Carol at August 08, 2015 09:59 PM (sj3Ax)

716 Soothsayer eating Five Guys:

Sounds like he went to Der Weinerschnitzel.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 08, 2015 09:59 PM (KUa85)

717 Have they ever interrupted Hillary?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr.

CONTROLLED.
AUDIENCE.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 08, 2015 10:00 PM (ZCFje)

718
Tried 5 Guys for first time last week. So good I went back this week.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 10:00 PM (g5End)

719 As far as Red State goes, I don't care who they invite or don't. Its not very smart of them to block off a big draw like Trump, but its his not very smart to do.

The argument "but they'll do it to us" doesn't really hold any water with me. They'll do it anyway, and already are. Its not like Andrew Breitbart was going to get an invite to the Kos Kids Konvention. Rush is not waiting breathlessly for his invite to Davos.

You do things because they are innately right or wrong, not out of fear that your deadliest, most intractable enemy who is already using every underhanded method conceivable will use it against you.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 08, 2015 10:00 PM (39g3+)

720 wants pros that know how to be pros, that last like pros, talk like pros, walk like pros, dress like pros, and smell like pros.

Yeah, the problem Republicans have with their leadership has moved from thinking they're incompetent to thinking they just aren't on their side.

Posted by: AD at August 08, 2015 10:00 PM (s4wTA)

721 "90% of the quotes attributed to me on the internet are bullshit."

Now I'm worried about all the other internet quotes attributed to other famous people. Ok, now I'm worried about all of the books written about famous people.

Ok, now I'm worried.

Posted by: Ned Corheight at August 08, 2015 10:00 PM (q12E+)

722 For an especially quick banning from Warm Flatus, be sure to include the words "secession" or "revolution" in your posts.

Posted by: torquewrench

I was warned for using revolution back in the day. Hey maybe I was responsible for subsequent bannings!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 08, 2015 10:00 PM (oFCZn)

723
(no homo)

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 10:00 PM (g5End)

724 I went to get my IQ tested and they told my I brought the wrong letters.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 08, 2015 10:01 PM (1CroS)

725
But the BEST was when I was emailed an 'invitation' to no longer participate at Hot Air... for my "Jeffersonian Fantasies"
Posted by: Salem Anti Witch Commitee

But I thinks that was someone's sock.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 08, 2015 10:01 PM (kdS6q)

726 Apropos of nothing, I have discovered that replying to Republican Party solicitations with 'Die in a fucking fire' is having the desired effect in diminishing the frequency of the appeals, both by phone and email.

Also I think I'll shave my neck tomorrow.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at August 08, 2015 10:01 PM (rwI+c)

727 >>>but for crying out loud this is just minor cheesecake<<<

I like tan lines on my cheesecake. And cherries with whipped cream.

Posted by: Fritz at August 08, 2015 10:01 PM (o/UmK)

728 709 Soothsayer eating Five Guys:

https://youtu.be/DcJFdCmN98s

No way in hell I'm clicking on that.

Posted by: t-bird at August 08, 2015 09:58 PM (FcR7P)

Its directly to youtube, and is Five Guys related.

Posted by: buzzion at August 08, 2015 10:02 PM (zt+N6)

729 "Tried 5 Guys for first time last week"

Five Guys, One Meal, Ten Bucks.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 08, 2015 10:02 PM (noWW6)

730 Heh!

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 10:02 PM (dxw2/)

731 Ben Carson was a breath of fresh air. If nothing else, he added a level or humor and gentle decorum to the "debate" that was sadly needed. He's too nice of man to engage in the mud slinging of a political campaign, however.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 08, 2015 10:02 PM (OSs/l)

732 660---All the Megyn slack, is that due to her not looking like Candy Crowley, her conservative bonafides, or her beautimous rack?

(I suspect the answer will be 'Yes')
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 08, 2015 09:48 PM
---------------
No, no, and no.
Media people, celebrities --- we should EXPECT them to be contentious and attention-grabbing. It's what they do.

Posted by: Margarita, who'd rather have a donut at August 08, 2015 10:02 PM (cN9Sk)

733
It's worth it.

Posted by: Soothsayer rose above the noise and confusion just to get a glimpse beyond the illusion at August 08, 2015 10:03 PM (g5End)

734 ">>>but for crying out loud this is just minor cheesecake

Cheesecake of legal age only, please.

Posted by: torquewrench at August 08, 2015 10:03 PM (noWW6)

735 "Die in a fucking fire' is having the desired effect in diminishing the frequency of the appeals"

Interesting. Haven't gone that far yet.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 08, 2015 10:03 PM (dxw2/)

736 ONT Plonts En Font

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 08, 2015 10:03 PM (ZCFje)

737 "Or are the voters just in flux and stupid and not as smart as you?"

In order: yes, generally, and in most cases absolutely.

The mistake people make with polling this early is in figuring out who is actually a voter and who is just talking to the nice robot voice on the phone.

The first actual voting takes place in two northern states in the middle of winter. In Iowa, you have to spend all night at the local VFW hall in the winter. Lots of folks in the middle of the summer will say they "support" a name they've seen on the TV in another context for the sport of it. But, when the rubber meets the road and it's 20 degrees and snow in Little Corn Town, Iowa, the people that will make the decision are the hard-core folks that have been organized by the top campaigns. Trump ain't doing any of that shit.

Walker is. Other actual pros are, too.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 08, 2015 10:04 PM (ljZD2)

738 hear hear.

good points.

1. telling a model, playboy bunny that she'd look good at her job of being sexy is, well to be honest, what trump or brady could pull off but you can't. get over it.

2. Didn't hear source quote of the rag quote but ace says it's not double entendre so ok whatevers.

3. trump may be a dnc time bomb but asking about rosie odonnel wastes our time figuring it out. If ace and the "socons are killing us" crowd want a white urbanite appeal...well trump baby. right? The real life Mr. Big for sterile Sex in the City babes?

Asphalt Palin.

4. White knighting for MegynnxKelly? get over it.

Which raises the question of how much shrieking violent fainting we cwazy cons should do. I don't know. It seems like that's the libs job and the donald has shown us how to make the NYC wank wank symbol at the "how dare you, sir" crowd.

4.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at August 08, 2015 10:04 PM (kyWJv)

739 So if you cover up for Roanoke, what Va city do you really strut your stuff for? ;^)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 08, 2015 09:50 PM (OSs/l)

Heh.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at August 08, 2015 10:05 PM (LxBcy)

740 I have discovered that replying to Republican Party solicitations with
'Die in a fucking fire' is having the desired effect in diminishing the
frequency of the appeals, both by phone and email.

That didn't work for me, but the realization that I could designate the speaker of the house as a spammer and never be bothered again was immensely satisfying.

Posted by: Methos at August 08, 2015 10:05 PM (ZbV+0)

741 715 To me I couldn't care less about Kelly, Erickson or Trump.I only saw less than 1/2 hour of debate @ the end. It was tone of all Faux News Anchors, especially Matthews and Kelly, Baier wasn't as bad.

I stayed here because I'm having fun!

Posted by: Carol at August 08, 2015 09:59 PM (sj3Ax)

Yeah another year of discussing small ball stuff while the country sinks further into decline.

I'm as guilty as everyone else.

I suspect it's how they want it. Things are so bad that if they said what needed to be done to prop up the system it would start some serious shit.

They're definitely going to have to seize retirement accounts, savings accounts, bonds, stocks, anything they can get their hands on. And they'll have enough votes to support it from the LIV crowd.

I really want to get out before it goes down but frankly another serious financial crisis could do it tomorrow.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 08, 2015 10:05 PM (oFCZn)

742 Cheesecake of legal age only, please.

If they're too young its not cheesecake. Its just either sad or disturbing. And a dad somewhere in need of a severe beating.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 08, 2015 10:05 PM (39g3+)

743 Jeffersonian Fantasies could go any number of ways, just saying

Posted by: ThunderB at August 08, 2015 10:06 PM (zOTsN)

744 ONT!
Ace, thanks for this!
Carol

Posted by: Carol at August 08, 2015 10:07 PM (sj3Ax)

745 Wow, NRO is all anti-Trump all the time. They've really declared war on their readers at this point. Let's see how that works out. They might have to drink all that wine themselves.

Posted by: bjk at August 08, 2015 10:08 PM (x2rNW)

746 Too long; did not read.

Fox News: 1
Conservatives: 0

Posted by: NCwoof at August 08, 2015 10:09 PM (aUQgu)

747 We've had a thin-skinned narcissist with absolutely no character in the White House for seven years. I have no appetite for another one.

Posted by: Veritas at August 08, 2015 10:11 PM (uI4W1)

748 So, trumpetdaddy, what are Mitch McConnell's acomplishments besides being a Senator since 1893?

Posted by: Bearded Spock at August 08, 2015 10:13 PM (MQEz6)

749 737 Ah yes -- The Iowa corn caucus. Won by Presidents like Huckabee, Santorum/Romney (tie), Bob Dole, Bob Dole again...

And the Bushes, mostly unopposed.

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 08, 2015 10:14 PM (gyKtp)

750 uh, that Asimov download is a 4 hour download.

Posted by: Ned Corheight at August 08, 2015 10:18 PM (q12E+)

751 ah bloody hell!

Posted by: Ned Corheight at August 08, 2015 10:18 PM (q12E+)

752 GnuBreed: Aaaaand a question for the Horde... All the Megyn slack, is that due to her not looking like Candy Crowley, her conservative bonafides, or her beautimous rack?

(I suspect the answer will be 'Yes')

Which is exactly why FOX trotted out Kelly to ask the misogyny/WoW question. It was to set up a psychological barrier of defense: to wit, "Trump won't attack back because a) Kelly's a chick and it would seem misogynist, and b) look how cute she is. She'll the damsel will surely disarm him.

Of course Trump is and has been around world class beauty for decades. He owns beauty pageants for cryin' out loud. Kelly is just another chick to him and he treated her like one.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 08, 2015 10:20 PM (1CroS)

753 typo@752: She'll, as the damsel, surely disarm him.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 08, 2015 10:21 PM (1CroS)

754 Dack,I share those concerns, but we have to enjoy what we can.

Posted by: Carol at August 08, 2015 10:22 PM (sj3Ax)

755 Jeffersonian Fantasies could go any number of ways, just saying

Posted by: ThunderB at August 08, 2015 10:06 PM (zOTsN)

Movin' on up?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 08, 2015 10:27 PM (DiZBp)

756 Meghan Kelly (her real name) is by her own admission an "independent," which means she's an opportunist who takes advantage of her looks and the need of some conservatives to congratulate themselves on their pro-woman credentials by saying nice things about her. Hello Ace.

Ace is far too smart to buy into this, but hormones and hidden needs do have their effect.

Posted by: skzion at August 08, 2015 10:50 PM (Lpcv7)

757
1st. Megyn can't eat her cake and have it too. But she can have her cake and eat it. Most people really get confused about that. She did her job. It's her Job to do what she did.

2nd. I'll repeat my earlier comment.

The difference between Donald Trump and a mosquito is that a mosquito quits sucking when slapped.

Posted by: GBruno at August 08, 2015 10:56 PM (u49WF)

758 Fox cuts a pay check to the RS editor. This isn't rocket science.

Posted by: RINO State at August 08, 2015 11:03 PM (pq97T)

759 I get tired of how we are always doing this trivial sort of thing to ourselves, and you never see the left doing it. Why can't we on the right focus on "the main game", as Flashman would say? I think PC has devalued basic civility, as it becomes easy to lose the distinction between the two (the way gay rights have devalued the original civil rights movement). E.g., it's OK to say as Trump did that many illegal aliens are criminals because they are, but it isn't cool to insult people, but this distinction is probably lost on many people.Though I'm not objective because I love Megyn Kelly. That wasn't part of the point, it was its own point, as Sheldon Cooper would say.

Posted by: norrin radd, sojourner of the spaceways at August 08, 2015 11:08 PM (tMkNU)

760 Gbruno: nope. Stick to Amazon reviews, you leftist.

Posted by: skzion at August 08, 2015 11:11 PM (Lpcv7)

761 tl;dr

is there a cliff's notes version of this poast?

Posted by: redc1c4 at August 08, 2015 11:14 PM (yi8ar)

762 "is there a cliff's notes version of this poast?"

People are unhinged over Trump, who may or may not be Snidely Whiplash.

Posted by: RINO State at August 08, 2015 11:25 PM (pq97T)

763 Stop kicking me, Wi-l-l-l-bur!

Posted by: Mr. Ed at August 08, 2015 11:39 PM (hRytD)

764 You go to dinner and come back 700 comments later...
Back when Dubya was reelected, I was on an apolitical forum that was for connecting authors. There was one thread that was devoted to OT conversations about politics, and someone was wheezing about how no one who ever read a book would vote for the ChimpHitler. I piped up that I had - oh the shit storm raged!

Someone on the thread asked me WHY and I gave them my honest answer - I didn't trust Kerry to handle international affairs. I was the only vocal conservative on the thread, I had plenty of PMs sending me support. I would not say I was weak or retiring, but I have a very strict self rule about courtesy whether it is shown to me or not. My most outspoken critic descended into crude foul mouthed boorishness and was kicked out of the forum.

As the heat of the election season wound down, some people wrote me off, some people thanked me, and some people reevaluated why they were associating themselves with such misanthropic poison spewer.

To have the boorish and crude person of Mr. Trump considered as the standard bearer of my political ideology, reflects poorly on my ideology. That great middle swath of voters who are fed up with both parties might resonate with the anger over our broken system, but will be repulsed by the poisonous vitriol he spews.

It is possible to be righteous, courteous and vigorous in what you believe without apologizing for believing it. Do I expect ready for church language from everyone I run across? No. Do I try and impose it on everyone? No. But I expect a statesman to speak and behave like an adult. Have conviction rather than bluster, and to project the best of character not the worst.

Posted by: tms at August 08, 2015 11:41 PM (gQHeD)

765 I'm a woman and all I see is Ericson acting as a mind reader and putting words in Trump's mouth.

Apparently, he's been banning Trump supporters from his site for months now. He was looking for the outrage to hang his hat on so he created one by putting his own thought in Trump's mouth. This is more about Ericson than Trump.

I took Trump's comment as exactly what he said. Like, "She's a killer with blood in her eyes." Heck, I pictured her snarling with blood covered fangs, and foaming at the mouth. To me she was like that. She had an agenda and it wasn't unbiased moderator.

I had my own impression of the "whatever" part of his phrasing and menstruating never even crossed my mind.

Yes, Trump is boorish, etc. Trump is Trump. His vocabulary is stilted. He uses the same praises and the same insults over and over. He insults men and women alike. Pig, slob, loser, dummy. He treated Megyn like he treats anyone he thinks attacked him. Equally. Megyn is the one playing the "woman card" and the fake #waronwomen tripe.

So what we have here is Megyn sandbagging Trump at the debate. Trump defending himself. Ericson putting words in Trump's mouth. Now the GOPe is blaming Trump for Ericson's thoughts.

This is like the Tina Fey meme. People to this day think Sarah Palin said, "I can see Alaska from my house."

Already today I've read articles and comments by Trump detractors stating unequivocally that Trump was talking about menstruation as fact. It's factually untrue.

Many of her defenders sound like they are in love with her. She's quite taken with herself so they have that in common. Stars usually appear as stars because they are narcissistic and self absorbed.

This is the game of the left so F' Megyan Kelly. She started this crap. She managed to derail any serious conversation about the real problems this country faces and to hear the candidates address those problems. Instead we got to hear all about Megyn and how the big old mean man didn't respect her after she sandbagged him.

If there is any silver lining it's that she did the work of the left too early. It's now old news.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 08, 2015 11:55 PM (yox0K)

766 Thanks, Ace, especially for your "reflects on us" comments. I've been texting an older friend about it, who was actually at the Red State Gathering today, and she was on Erick's side.

There's a contradiction here:

On the one hand, the GOPe feels it must distance itself from Trump because his actions and words are reflecting poorly on the party, because he is running as a Republican.

On the other hand, Trump was criticized and booed at the debate for NOT declaring his loyalty to the GOP and not pre-declaring allegiance to the Republican nominee, if it's not him.

So which is it?
Get away Trump- you're a Republican who's embarrassing Republicans
or
Get away Trump- you're not declaring your loyalty to the Republican Party.

Can't have it both ways.

Posted by: parteagirl at August 08, 2015 11:59 PM (Plx/u)

767 "It's factually untrue." Or factually unprovable.

So all this uproar about what people THINK he meant. It's absurd and actually outrageous.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 09, 2015 12:02 AM (yox0K)

768 764 is hitting the bell pretty righteously. My own thought stems from the mere fact that Trump *validated* the question- not by his bleeding comments, but by his temper tantrum at 4AM on Twitter Friday morning, calling Kelly a bimbo.

It's not even the language. It's that a petulant child was so moved by a slight to honor he himself knows he lacks as to stay wired for six hours after the fact and explode while the rest of the country was sleeping. 'Legitimate political actor', you say? He's a spoiled brat soliciting himself for the role of the most powerful single individual on the planet.

After almost seven years of it, does anybody want to spend another four to eight with a five year old holding the nuclear codes?

Trump was going to get burned eventually; we knew it, and if you think otherwise you're a fool. So would you rather the supposed house organ put the bastard out of his misery, or let the LSM do it after using his taint to trash the couple of truly good candidates we have?

Posted by: Fringe at August 09, 2015 12:11 AM (+GIZJ)

769 And this is just like when that Nobel Prize winning male scientist was forced out of his job for some self deprecating joke that was taken out of context by that SJW woman at some conference.

The truth is still not fully know by the public about that outrage. No doubt that man is still suffering because of her lie.

So again F' Megyn and Ericson. They should be ashamed of themselves.

There is a time and a place to ask hard, in depth questions about personalities, histories, strengths and weaknesses. A debate where there are 10 candidates getting less than 5 minutes on all kinds of topics is not the place to do it. It's unfair to the candidate who has 30 seconds to explain something that would take much, much longer.

It's seven years later and somehow Fox and Megyn still can't seem to ask Obama a difficult question.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 09, 2015 12:23 AM (yox0K)

770 Oh, please. Y'know, I might feel bad about Trump being disinvited on the grounds of free speech, if Trump hadn't spent the better part of his campaign copping such a hypocritical attitude. For such a self-proclaimed tough talker that can dish it out, Trump sure can't take it. He's ridiculously thin-skinned about receiving criticism and lashes out by whining on Twitter like some high-strung, self-involved teenage girl. (The guy's like Obama on steroids.) Heck, that's how he got into this mess in the first place.

And let's be perfectly clear here, the whole "I meant to say nose dammit" line is one of the lamest, most pathetic excuses for Internet behavior I have ever heard. It's the kind of thing Obama, Jon "clown nose" Stewart, and countless other far left liberals do (which is almost fitting since Trump is a liberal himself). "I'm sorry *you* didn't get what I was saying, so let's just drop it." Trump's story here is akin to Kerry's comments in 2006 about the troops: mouthing off in the heat of the moment, refusing to back down, and trying to weasel out once he finally realizes it's not a vocal minority criticizing him.

The only reason Trump got into this mess was because he was whining on Twitter about being asked tough questions. "How dare they ask me, a presidential candidate, tough questions? That's not fair." Wow, that's real presidential timber right there, huh? Trump went too far because he is a thin-skinned crybaby. How many times have we heard Trump say the "I start the conversations no one else wants to" line? A lot, and yet, I'm pretty sure no one wanted to have a conversation about a petulant man-child whining about a reporter's question (to the point where he and his supporters accuse Fox of being involved in a conspiracy and promote online petitions to have Kelly fired).

The more I write about this, the more I believe this isn't even a free speech issue. No one's stopping Trump from whining on Twitter or at a campaign stop. Red State, though, is one of those outlets where people (like presidential candidates) are *invited* to speak; they don't just get to because they feel like it. In this case, speaking is a privilege, not a right.

Actions have consequences. Mature adults recognize that, but no one ever said Trump was mature.

Posted by: tops116 at August 09, 2015 12:23 AM (Wn+fE)

771 "And let's be perfectly clear here, the whole "I meant to say nose dammit" line is one of the lamest, most pathetic excuses for Internet behavior I have ever heard."

So you are a mind reader? So am I. You just said a terribly sexist thing. Why? Because I said so.

I want you to post a direct quote that shows Trump said something inappropriate. Go ahead. Show me.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 09, 2015 12:35 AM (yox0K)

772 Posted by: Misfortune Pestilence at August 08, 2015 11:55 PM (yox0K)

Hear, Hear! You are my new favorite poster!

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 09, 2015 12:40 AM (xetep)

773 this is a mark steym , tomas sowell
moment

Posted by: reality Check at August 09, 2015 12:47 AM (bvf9e)

774 Haha. Thanks. I enjoy your posts too. : )

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 09, 2015 12:56 AM (yox0K)

775 Common decorum is a product of civilization and can be discussed decorously once the war for it is won. E. Erickson is now petulantly <a href=https://twitter.com/EWErickson>tweeting all the banally nice things Trump said about him in 2013</a> while bragging about all the people he blocked for criticizing him.

Trump manages his media output far better than that. Someone who gets this giddy over attention is not worth defending.

If your ideology does not win, in the real world, it's either a terrible ideology or one that's terribly enforced. People will then default to winners.

Posted by: Dystopia Max at August 09, 2015 01:01 AM (SESm8)

776 flush the fuck'n toilet

Posted by: smod/trump at August 09, 2015 01:06 AM (bvf9e)

777 Trump is not my guy. I have a 100 dollar bet w/ my husband that he won't be the nominee. But. I will vote for him happily I he's is. I don't think he lost the debate. I laughed my a$$ off about the Rosie odonnell thing. I'm still laughing at his calling john McCain a dummy like he was Lamont Sanford. And as a woman. There is no war ffs. I get accused of being "emotional" like every few days. It's because my husband is fing up. I'm got the curse right now and I didn't assume trump meant she was ragging . But now that I think about it, she kinda was. Anyway if you have a lick of sense, vote for Ted Cruz. Why is this so hard????????

Posted by: Hedy at August 09, 2015 01:25 AM (IHoII)

778 Listen, let's focus on what really matters here.

When is Megyn Kelly's next sexy photo shoot for a liberal publication?

Any who, I wonder when the serious journalists at fox news and other conservative outlets will get around to asking Trump, Cruz, and others what they want the tax rates to be? Celebrity beef name calling on twitter isn't exactly vital to the nation.

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, the Highlander at August 09, 2015 01:31 AM (COpZ4)

779 Donald Trump is a complete fucking idiot.
Thinking he is some sort of LIB tool is childish nihilistic temper tantrum BULLSHIT.

You should know better than to feed into the lunacy, ace

Posted by: Salt of the Earth at August 09, 2015 01:31 AM (GHwGR)

780 You know the neat thing about performing?

It works really, really well.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at August 09, 2015 01:33 AM (Kucy5)

781 Well now he's finally done it. Even the wackjob extremists at Redstate have realized what an outrageous ass Trump is. It's all over now. He'll never get on TV again. His poll ratings are going to be negative. I heard he's stuck at the airport because his own car driver quit in outrage over his menstrual attack on Ms. Kelly. He's completely imploded. It's really true this time. Our long national nightmare is at last over. The Science is settled on Donald Trump!

Posted by: Severely Conservative at August 09, 2015 01:39 AM (p6UPL)

782 You fucking pussies and your GOPe bullshit.
Go suck a dik you whining little cunts.

You've Been TRUMPED! !!

Hahahahahahahaha

Posted by: Salt of the Earth at August 09, 2015 01:39 AM (GHwGR)

783 There can be only one.

Posted by: Duncan MacLeod, the Highlander at August 09, 2015 01:41 AM (COpZ4)

784 Megyn wasn't the one up all night whining on Twitter. That was the tough guy.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at August 09, 2015 01:42 AM (Kucy5)

785 I'm starting a petition to Donald Trump Industries asking the CEO Donald Trump to fire Donald Trump for insensitive comments he made while running for president, which tarnish all of Donald Trump Industries with his controversial political views.

No company wants to be associated with such toxic politics. Please go to www.change.org to sign my petition and ask DTI to show that it is an inclusive and tolerant company by firing CEO and owner Donald Trump.

Posted by: Severely Conservative at August 09, 2015 01:54 AM (p6UPL)

786 Megyn Kelly and Chris Wallace started it. Erick Erickson then shit in the punch bowl.

Posted by: meekle at August 09, 2015 01:58 AM (94iKh)

787
@163

Exactly! People seem to keep forgetting how far over the cliff we gone. I don't care if Trump is an asshole. I care that 30% of murders in some states are committed by illegal aliens. I care that 100% of job growth for women was been non-citizen females. I care about the fact that the Obama is arming terrorists and giving not only the nuclear bomb to Iran with cash to fund terrorism as a bonus. We need an asshole to stop this shit.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at August 09, 2015 02:25 AM (yox0K)

788 Bravo Ace, bravo.

Levin dissected the "knees" comment beautifully. Wholly out of context and she supported trump 100 percent.

That question was a fucking joke, a hit job from start. As was the initial question.

But that's ok, trump is gold for one key reason, letting the masks crash off al the operators of the gope.

They are freaking the fuck out. Bout time.

We. Don't. Care.

Posted by: Prescient11 at August 09, 2015 02:28 AM (gBc+x)

789 Make America Great Again.

Make America's Enemies Cringe.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at August 09, 2015 02:41 AM (x3GpS)

790 Ace, you're getting it. Fox news is establishment news. They want to both clear the way for Jeb! and stamp out the immigration mana that Trump unwittingly stumbled onto: Stamp out Trump, stamp out further discussion on immigration and go back to "we need to secure the borders" platitudes. Kill immigration discussion and kill America: The next president will further manage our decline.

I don't care if Trump becomes president but I need him to keep going just to let the establishment know that they can't squash the immigration issue, citizens are wise to their tricks and the jig is up.

Kelly pulling the "war on women" card was nauseating. I lost all respect for her and will no longer allow myself to fantasize about participating in a Standing Dog with her.

Trump is a brawler, Rosie O'Donnel said some deplorable things to start the feud and his "Rosie O'Donnel's truck driver face" response was legendary.

The FOX "debate" was establishment hardball. I ain't having it.

Posted by: Phil at August 09, 2015 02:42 AM (DjpfO)

791 Oh, and I totally forgot my point on Erickson. Fuck Eric Erickson and his artificial conservatism. A paid contributor to FOX/pro-amnesty Murdoch and "conservative" only when it doesn't count.

Posted by: Phil at August 09, 2015 02:43 AM (DjpfO)

792 What really strikes me about this is that there is LITERALLY no evidence Trump was saying that. He was speaking metaphorically, he could SEE blood coming from her eyes or wherever.

Could he SEE her menstruating??!!

He said same of Chris Wallace re blood coming from his eyes, does chris have a pussy?

Instead of asking trump to simply clarify, the outrage mob of the gope ASSUMED they knew what wasn't said. How very Christian of Erick. How very disrespectful of red state's attendees who wanted to see trump. Finally, how disrespectful of trump, who agreed to come even though the red state coverage has been 85 percent anti-trump, calling him way worse names than he used against rosie.

This is rotten to high heaven. Course Erick doesn't care, he's leaving red state to join wait for it, fox news.

And carly's mask came down. The gope wanted to use her as a weapon against hillary. Now they'll try a different use against trump.

Flush this global warming nutter carly. She outdebated rick perry, good one!!

Posted by: Prescient11 at August 09, 2015 02:57 AM (gBc+x)

793 Final point, when i think of class like megyn kelly, i think of fuck me spead photo profiles for men's magazines and her playing fuck, marry kill with howard stern.

But i keep forgetting purity and class tests are reserved only for trump, the guy who was actually an entertainer for decades, and not a "serious journalist" class act lik kelly. Lol

Night!

Posted by: Prescient11 at August 09, 2015 03:03 AM (gBc+x)

794 I wouldn't have disinvited Trump either, but there is no doubt what he meant. NONE. Spin however you want, any attempt to claim otherwise is Clintonesque word parsing.

But everyone missed the point, which is not misogyny. It's the fact that Trump is a spoiled brat bully who can dish it out fine, resorts to personal insults as his first response to ANY criticism or questioning, but whines like a baby when it comes time to take it.

A girl wasn't nice to him. A girl was mean to him. A girl made him cry, and he couldn't get over it for days. That's why Stone quit, Trump can't let it go.

This jerk makes Obama look thick-skinned.

Posted by: Adjoran at August 09, 2015 03:18 AM (QIQ6j)

795 Posted by: Adjoran at August 09, 2015 03:18 AM (QIQ6j)

***

The whole Trump thing has nothing to do with Trump.

Nothing. If anything, Trump detracts from his message.

It is about what he is saying and how he is willing to present it. No PC bullshit, just straight talk. Name me another Pol that will speak as plainly, albeit buffoonishly, as he has.

He has no big donors to please and no fucks to give.

This ain't that hard to figure out.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at August 09, 2015 03:43 AM (2z4UX)

796 "None"?

This is why I've unfollowed half of conservative twitter. Gutfeld, etc... Etc.... Go to hell.

Posted by: meekle at August 09, 2015 04:14 AM (94iKh)

797 Meanwhile one of the establishment tools pipes up via Lindsay Graham. "It would be better to lose to Hillary than have Trump in the Whitehouse".

And that is an absolute fact. The Emask slipped a smidge.

So there we have it. Either Bush, Graham or Kaish wins or Hillary does. No third party needed, who woulda thunk.

Posted by: Drider at August 09, 2015 05:43 AM (6Xbsz)

798 This is why I've unfollowed half of conservative twitter. Gutfeld, etc... Etc.... Go to hell.
Posted by: meekle at August 09, 2015 04:14 AM (94iKh)

***

Truth is a painful emotion Cupcake. GFY.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty, unperson from Free Market Jesus Paradise at August 09, 2015 07:51 AM (2z4UX)

799 is there a cliff's notes version of this poast?

Peek early and often.

Posted by: JT at August 09, 2015 08:23 AM (ADgOm)

800 Big deal, Ser Erick. She still ain't gonna date you.

Posted by: Mentor of Arisia at August 09, 2015 09:07 AM (kk2ap)

801 I wouldn't have disinvited Trump either, but there is no doubt what he
meant. NONE. Spin however you want, any attempt to claim otherwise is
Clintonesque word parsing.

How much did you pay for that mind-reading cap, Karnak? It must have cost you a fortune.

Posted by: Red Rocks Rockin at August 09, 2015 10:14 AM (nuCl3)

802 Google Rob Ford, Toronto Canada and read what happens when the establishment and media try to destroy someone who won't bend to their sense of supremacy. The Media, left and right are reporting bold faced lies via him stating she was bleeding and on her period and then the political pundits repeat said lie and lost in all that froth and spit is the truth-Trump is a threat to the media and to the Republican Establishment of greed and corruption. Once they're done with him they'll turn the same hate machine on Cruz etc.

Posted by: Rose at August 09, 2015 10:28 AM (/1Oxb)

803 AOSHQ going the full chuck johnson?

Trump is a piece of shit Trojan horse.

Posted by: Salt of the Earth at August 09, 2015 10:37 AM (GHwGR)

804 Noah Rothman said it best about the Trump supporters: "At a certain point, coddling Trump supporters and trying to understand
their grievances becomes a futile enterprise. When a loved one is making
a terrible mistake that will eventually do them great harm, the
priority is not to preserve their fragile self___"

They like whiny little bitches like Trump because they themselves act like whiny little bitches. Lots of big talk about how they are "the base" yet they are the most marginal people on the right wing. Rothman also notes that the Dems are smart enough to realize that the window to try to paint Trump as the face of the Republican party is closing very rapidly. If he is such the winner that all the Trump supporters think he is, why would the Dems want him to be the face of the Republican party? Does the other party routinely want its opposite number to be perceived as a winner and strong?

To ask the question answers it.

Posted by: trumpetdaddy at August 09, 2015 02:07 PM (ljZD2)

805 This blogger shows himself to be ridiculous stooge for Manjaw Kelly. That thing on her face would put your eye out.

She should go back to soft core porn she did a few years ago. She has no credibility since she is simply a puppet for that network anyway.

Posted by: WJ at August 09, 2015 02:29 PM (SW+IV)

806 Fox was out of line. Giminy, did they ask even one question of the candidates that we wanted to know?

No, I did not want to know whether or not Mr. Trump thinks he's sexist. I would like to know what his position on the tax code is.

I did not want to know whether if he lost the nomination if he would suck up to a socialist nominee chosen by Megyn Kelly and endorse him for President, I did want to know what he would do about Putin, though.

Posted by: doug at August 09, 2015 07:49 PM (IYEs/)

807 Since this post is featured in tonight's Hot Air "Quotes of the Day" (and in their headline section, too) I hope no one gets banned to responding to a dead thread

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at August 09, 2015 09:08 PM (xetep)

808 Every time I read over at Redneck State, I want to put my hand to the computer screen and "heeeeaaaalllllllll." Erick Erickson is the Elmer Gantry of on line Republicans. This made me look there--thanks, Ace....apparently the Trump "disinvite" has pushed Erick the Redneck so far into the crapper he's been reduced to the "they are coming for my family" school of diversion.

I bet Megyn Kelly is a real bitch when she's on the rag, incidentally.

Posted by: MILF Kelly at August 09, 2015 09:15 PM (pq97T)

809 After watching the debate, do you really have a better understanding of
where the candidates are on the important issues of the day and what
they plan to do about them? I don't. I doubt anyone does. Instead of a
serious debate on the issues, we got a lot of useless drama that was
deliberately created by the Fox News moderators. Megyn Kelly was the worst. They spent too much
time talking and sometimes actually seemed to be debating the candidates
themselves. They took each candidate's most vulnerable area, especially
Trump, and conducted an inquisition. Does anyone really care what
Donald Trump called Rosie O'Donnell or if some of his many companies
failed in the past? Does it really matter if Jeb Bush was on the board
of a foundation that in the past donated money to Planned Parenthood?
No. Here are the
issues on voters minds in 2015. The economy and jobs is top and some of
the candidates tried to talk about their records, but this wasn't even a
topic of the 9:00 PM debate.

What Fox News should have done is asked each candidate to respond to these question.

What exactly will you do to create jobs and stimulate the economy?How would you change the tax code for businesses and individuals?Will you commit to ending Obamacare? How will you accomplish that goal? What, if anything, do you plan to replace it with?Is there any issue you feel strongly enough about to shut down the government to achieve it?Will you vow to stamp out ISIS and how will you do it?What will you do about the Iran nuclear program and how will you rebuild our relationship with Israel?How will you secure the border and what will you do with the millions of illegal immigrants already here?What government programs would you cut to help balance the budget?What federal regulations would your repeal or modify?Do you believe recent climate change is mostly man-made or mostly natural and why?

Posted by: Bluegrass Pundit at August 09, 2015 09:24 PM (Bbp64)

810 Good essay, even IF I have been finding MK too full of herself for the last year and even though I long for the days when a child could go into a store in his neighborhood and not hear from his stroller the basest of language and insults. I think the American town that actually enforced the "contributing to the delinquency of a minor" thingy, where the police gave you a good talking to if you spoke in vulgarities in a public place, esp. with children around, then let you off with a warning until the next time, was a better, saner, less dangerous, easier-to-raise-children in country.

While I am enjoying Trump and the conservative base...and, I suspect, many dems....sticking it to the Elite, I also bemoan that now our kids see and hear a POTUS candidate sounding like he should try out for a Tarantino movie.

Posted by: maria at August 09, 2015 09:54 PM (z8jsH)

811 "One last point, a short one: I am also tired of our Cohort's endless
fascination with Political Celebrities. This is yet another dispute in
which people quickly stop talking about ideas -- things like probity,
decorum, actual equality of the sexes (i.e., should Megyn Kelly be
granted any special protection? No one complained when Trump called
Frank Luntz a loser slob), proportion and freedom of expression in order
to get to what really interests us -- selecting which Political Celebrity, Megyn Kelly or Donald Trump, is our Fave Rave, as Tiger Beat used to say."

Yes, when this is about personalities and High School level insults and he-said she-said BS ... WE LOSE.

The campaign needs to be about IDEAS, about FREEDOM and its loss under Obama. Instead of all this AirHead time about whether Trump is crude or not, we should be outraged at a President LYING TO US about the Iran deal, destroying the LAW with his EPA actions that are Gestapo-war-on-coal, and the coverups and lies in the Clinton emails, IRS and other cases.

In short, stops talking about Trump. If he has anything useful to contribute to the case of why Obamacare is bad and needs to be replaced, let him talk (and no - Kasich's praise of medicaid and Trump blabbing stupidly about single-payer does NOT help). otherwise, he need to shut it and let the grownups who can take a tough question speak.

Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at August 09, 2015 10:18 PM (yTnTP)

812 "The economy and jobs is top and some of
the candidates tried to talk about their records, but this wasn't even a topic of the 9:00 PM debate."

Cause Trump hadn't tweeted about tax policy.

Posted by: MILF Kelly at August 09, 2015 10:21 PM (pq97T)

813 Megyn Kelly is everything Ace said, if you're being a gentleman. She's also a weatherbunny who talks like a lawyer, and this gives men of all ages a big chubby.

That's why she's on FOX and enjoys such good ratings. It's also why it was dumb of Trump to insult her, but you know what? Fuck it. I'm sure she didn't go home and cry.

That's why Jeb's hysterics over losing 53% of voters was more than a bit overwrought. Does anyone think women who were bullied identify with Megyn Kelly? She's the head cheerleader, the prom queen, Barbie, everything you are expected to be and never were. They heard Trump reply to gotcha question for the big boys and shrugged.

Newsflash: Most of the base hates Rosie O'Donnell, and most women don't see themselves having much in common with Megyn Kelly. In fact, being catty bitches like they were with Palin, many of them probably resent her.

Trump's numbers will remain steady. He probably turned down RedState like he fired Roger Stone.

Look how Eric Erickson turned on Perry last time. Do you want his "support"? He's a former CNN anchor and a bigger douche than Trump.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 09, 2015 11:32 PM (nCKKS)

814 So desperate for success, we support the guy that was liberal before he was conservative before... A guy that bullshits his way through the world with a lot of success. Somehow, he's not BS'g us right now?

As a woman, the whole Megyn Kelly thing is a joke. He was crude, she rolled her eyes, nuf said. It doesn't make him less appealing, he's already there in my eyes.

Always trust a man to be who he's been. And the Donald is a used car salesman. Just remember, if he can say 'screw it to the establishment', he can also say 'screw it' when it comes to his supporters.

He's a narcissist and we've just enjoyed seven years with the last one. Not looking for another. Especially one that thinks that he's the only answer. I'm sure that will make him really good at getting things done.

Posted by: tired at August 10, 2015 07:45 AM (adOUE)

815 I don't find Trump's comments offensive. I just find them un-Presidential. In fact, nearly everything he has said since makes him sound less like he's running for President and more like he's auditioning for a reality show.

Do Presidents go around calling people "clown", "loser", or "major sleaze"? Do they make bad menses jokes (anyone who agrees with the "nose" explanation is a blithering idiot or Donald Gump sycophant).

Do Presidents whine about media treatment, attack specific news outlets, and call out reporters by name? Sure, Obama and Clinton did this crap...and Trump will as well. He's a thin-skinned intellectual pussy.

Megyn Kelly did Trump a favor. Her questions WOULD HAVE BEEN ASKED at the general election debate...only in less friendly territory, and far less politely. Do note that Kelly didn't claim there was a war on woman, but pointed out the FACT that some people make that claim.

Posted by: H.P.Loveshaft at August 10, 2015 08:47 AM (Cm/sC)

816 Great post; I wish I'd have seen it two days ago.

And Ace is right: We don't need to attack Kelly on her photos or Howard Stern.

Posted by: eforhan at August 10, 2015 09:53 AM (jRUmR)

817
"Now, Erick Erickson is a big ole hypocrite. Twitter has found some of his tweets that are QUITE disparaging of women."

They were disparaging of liberal hypocrites ... well, I give Trump a pass on Rosie O'D for the same reason ...

Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at August 10, 2015 11:08 AM (yTnTP)

818 "And Ace is right: We don't need to attack Kelly on her photos or Howard Stern."

I'm keeping my powder dry until someone produces a mass media debut in "Beaver Hunt." Then the pile on can begin on the slut front.

Posted by: Ummm, ummmm, ahhhh at August 10, 2015 11:13 AM (6gR7l)

819 811 "One last point, a short one: I am also tired of our Cohort's endless fascination with Political Celebrities."

Well, that's what presidential campaigns have become since the Age of TV. The culture wars have led conservatives to glom onto their own heroes. There's nothing heroic about Trump's biography, but he is a straight talker, and there is little of that to be found these days. With a Clinton v. Bush face off, people are tired of both parties and our political process to the point that I'm beginning to think he has a shot.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 10, 2015 01:59 PM (nCKKS)

820 Especially cuz the establishment can't help but try to take him down, and it only makes him more popular. When you wrestle with a pig, you get dirty and the pig has fun. Let him implode, but it's the stupid party, so enjoy the show.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at August 10, 2015 03:29 PM (QFY2e)

821 Conservatives and Republicans that DON'T want a third Obama term need to be very careful about minimizing or pushing Trump away. Because if that happens, several thing can happen and one thing is guaranteed to happen:
1 Trump runs third party and secures a win for democrats
2 Without Trump bringing up serious issues and forcing other candidates to discuss them, candidates (led by their noses by the media and Rove consultants), will campaign like Dole, Bush Sr., McCain and Mitt did and again secure a democrat win.

Posted by: Matthew W at August 10, 2015 08:41 PM (uwYR+)

822 I think the term you are looking for is "Double Secret Probation...Security"

Posted by: Rob in Katy at August 11, 2015 07:16 PM (eYTQP)

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