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Buck:
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Jeb!: Look, I'm Going To Do Amnesty But I Will At Least Talk About Border Security
You can read his 6 point border security plan here. It's all the stuff we've been hearing for decades (A mandate for a biometric entry/exit system has been on the books since 1996 and has never been created)
Here's the key bit from Jeb.These six proposals, when combined with a rigorous path to earned legal status, would realistically and honestly address the status of the 11 million people here illegally today and protect against future illegal immigration. While passions run high on this issue, there is no rational plan to deport millions of people that the American people would support. It would disrupt communities and families and could cost taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars.I tend to agree that there's no real support for a "plan to deport millions of people", though there might be in the future. That doesn't mean that we have to have amnesty. It also doesn't mean that you can't deport those you find through the criminal justice system, work place enforcement investigations and raids, etc. The real questions for Jeb! are what's the content of this "rigorous" process for legalization (he's pretending he's not for a path to citizenship here so let's humor him) and the sequencing of events? As we see with all the broken enforcement and security measures a plan that simply consists of legislative promises to increase security/enforcement in exchange for immediate legalization should be a non-starter. We'll get the amnesty (and Yes, It's Amnesty) and the enforcement will slowly fade from memory. If Jeb! is serious about this he needs to make it clear that the only plan he will support consists of security and enforcement measures that are proven to be in place and working for some number of years (3-5 seems reasonable) not just written down on some piece of paper somewhere and filed away never to be seen again. Only after that can we even begin to talk about legalization. So no you're never going to "hunt them down and round them all up" (which is a strawman) but you can certainly deport those you do find while making it harder and less attractive to be here illegally. That should reduce the number pretty substantially before any amnesty talk. Personally, I'm not holding my breath.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: maddogg at August 03, 2015 11:50 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: buzzion at August 03, 2015 11:51 AM (zt+N6)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 03, 2015 11:51 AM (iQIUe)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 03, 2015 11:51 AM (i0ykY)
Posted by: Yo! at August 03, 2015 11:52 AM (W6iIX)
Go ahead and tell a toddler 'I can't punish you' and see how much cooperation you get to follow the rules.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 03, 2015 11:52 AM (ucedS)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 03, 2015 11:52 AM (VPLuQ)
Posted by: Ben H at August 03, 2015 11:52 AM (gJEsZ)
Posted by: dogfish at August 03, 2015 11:52 AM (jWtyG)
Our entire immigration system is setup to fundamentally transform and destroy this country.
This did not start with the SCOAMF.
This is a direct result of the '65 immigration overhaul.
So yes we do need comprehensive immigration reform just not the kind that El Jeb, The Dems and the COC wants.
Posted by: Kreplach at August 03, 2015 11:53 AM (JbETL)
Jeb's the smarter brother, right?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 03, 2015 11:52 AM (VPLuQ)
lol......no
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 03, 2015 11:53 AM (0O7c5)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 03, 2015 11:54 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: Titanium at August 03, 2015 11:54 AM (JLKJJ)
Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at August 03, 2015 11:54 AM (0O7c5)
Posted by: Shallow HAL 9000 at August 03, 2015 11:54 AM (VcOqI)
You can't even honestly count, Jeb.
You're lying to me. You will continue to lie to me. You are a liar.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 03, 2015 11:55 AM (1CroS)
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 03, 2015 11:55 AM (kdS6q)
I'll take Prince George, tho. He likes to rolll down grassy hills. Remember when that was fun?
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 03, 2015 11:55 AM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Shallow HAL 9000 at August 03, 2015 11:55 AM (VcOqI)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 03, 2015 11:55 AM (2l5vw)
Posted by: dogfish at August 03, 2015 11:55 AM (jWtyG)
Are we saying that the very same country that went to the moon 40+ years ago can't deport all the illegals today?
I call BS on that, the establishment does not WANT to deport the illegals
Posted by: Yo! at August 03, 2015 11:56 AM (W6iIX)
Posted by: Jeb Bush at August 03, 2015 11:56 AM (HstNY)
Posted by: Ricardo Kill at August 03, 2015 11:56 AM (LA7Cm)
Posted by: Grump928(c) at August 03, 2015 11:57 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, down with Eph 6:12-13 at August 03, 2015 11:58 AM (2l5vw)
Good SMOD above. You don't have to deport them. Take away their financial reasons for being here, no jobs, no welfare, no schools. Confiscate any assets upon arrest, just like they are now doing to law abiding citizens here. Give that incentive to cities and the immigration arrests will skyrocket and the illegal immigration will stop.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 03, 2015 11:58 AM (ODxAs)
Posted by: Ready For Jeb!!11!! at August 03, 2015 11:58 AM (Dwehj)
Shit like this is why I see him being so toxic to primary voters that all the money he's gotten still won't save him. He'll end up as a stalking horse for a non-Bush establishment candidate if someone like Trump doesn't win.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 03, 2015 11:59 AM (Y7GGk)
So sick of this strawman politicians use, as if there's no action between 'amnesty for all who are here' and 'deport all of 'em'!
How about actually enforcing the laws on the books?
Eliminating ALL entitlements for them?
Eliminating sanctuary cities?
Deporting the criminals?
No more open southern border and unaccompanied minors get to stay?
No drivers licenses or jobs for illegals?
Or maybe....enact Mexico's approach to illegal immigrants who enter their country?
Posted by: Lizzy at August 03, 2015 11:59 AM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Insomniac at August 03, 2015 11:59 AM (2Ojst)
What conservative policy agenda will be minimized or outright ignored. What liberal agenda will be pushed heavily.
Posted by: buzzion at August 03, 2015 11:59 AM (zt+N6)
Guess which we'll get and which we won't.
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 03, 2015 12:00 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Ever at August 03, 2015 12:00 PM (OAOwa)
It's worse then that.
Apparently, we are a nation which is powerful enough to destroy an entire planets weather system. We can melt polar ice caps, change planetary temperatures, and cause entire oceans to rise.
But, we can not enforce our sovereign national borders against those who would enter illegally.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 03, 2015 12:00 PM (VPLuQ)
Yep. That 11 million number has been used for decades. Decades.
It's closer to 34 + million.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 03, 2015 12:01 PM (NOIQH)
But you won't have to if you make it impossible to operate in this country if you are an illegal.
But the masterminds have decided that America will be fundamentally transformed so that is that.
I still cannot believe we have been fighting the GOP for over a decade on this issue. OVER A DECADE!!
Posted by: Kreplach at August 03, 2015 12:01 PM (JbETL)
When Jeb! says he doesn't want to disrupt families, he means dirty mexican families. He doesn't mean yours. He doesn't mean mine. Our families will be disrupted in every way possible to make room for the dirty mexican horde that will be the new backbone of the new Gope.
New Gope. Like old Gope, only without pretending they care about YOU.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 03, 2015 12:01 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Scont at August 03, 2015 12:01 PM (AGtIR)
Posted by: Fritz at August 03, 2015 12:01 PM (UzPAd)
Facebook?
Over/under there will be a question about Cecil....?
Posted by: Lizzy at August 03, 2015 12:01 PM (NOIQH)
Of course, the enormous cost to taxpayers of having huge numbers of illegal aliens here goes discreetly unmentioned in this laughable excuse for cost-benefit analysis.
Let's posit for a moment that deportation would be as costly as Jeb! asserts it will be (which none of us should for a second believe).
It would still be a one-time expense, if done correctly.
Whereas the costs of allowing those illegals to remain are perpetual. Year after year after year after year.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 03, 2015 12:02 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Cathy McMorris-Rogers at August 03, 2015 12:02 PM (TxJGV)
Posted by: Muldoon at August 03, 2015 12:02 PM (NeFrd)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 03, 2015 12:02 PM (Y7GGk)
good point, maybe Jebba the Hut could talk about the disruption of families murdered by illegal immigrants.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at August 03, 2015 12:03 PM (ODxAs)
Posted by: Ready For Jeb!!11!! at August 03, 2015 12:03 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 03, 2015 12:03 PM (39g3+)
Because some of us may know someone that this could effect.
__________________
Thank goodness all our personal secrets are safe, right?
http://oasisgrp.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/FBI-Alert.pdf
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 03, 2015 12:04 PM (VPLuQ)
Or the ones w/kids who are getting all the fun, new diseases like the entero virus w/polio like symptoms.
Yeah, not in the news, but I haven't heard about any of them getting better.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 03, 2015 12:04 PM (NOIQH)
Won't be voting for the DOP presidential nominee in 2016 but that's become a habit over that 25 years or so.
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at August 03, 2015 12:04 PM (ktt8p)
iJeb!
Posted by: Muldoon at August 03, 2015 12:05 PM (NeFrd)
With your help and donations WE can make this happen!
Vote Jeb!2016....because I am smart not dumb like everybody says.
Posted by: Jeb Bush at August 03, 2015 12:05 PM (D0NZx)
He's right. It would. You know what else was? WW2, taking down the Mafia, and the war on poverty.
If something is right, if its the just and lawful thing to do, if its a good idea, then its worth the cost. You cannot reduce everything to economics, I know this is a crazy so-con idea, but that is a bottom line fact in life.
And as torquewrench points out: it is a short term, temporary cost at worst. Pay the price to do the right thing, save money in the long run.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 03, 2015 12:06 PM (39g3+)
Best suggestion yet.
Posted by: Decaf at August 03, 2015 12:06 PM (En3WJ)
Posted by: Roy at August 03, 2015 12:06 PM (VndSC)
I want Jeb to tell me again how he fell in love with his wife in Mexico.
Tequila.
Hit in the face with a ping pong ball?
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 03, 2015 12:07 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Ever
Well, sacrificing 50 million children to Moloch comes to mind.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, mourning our Republic at August 03, 2015 12:07 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 03, 2015 12:07 PM (Y7GGk)
Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at August 03, 2015 12:08 PM (Dwehj)
iJeb!
Posted by: Muldoon at August 03, 2015 12:05 PM (NeFrd)
Looks like a new product from Apple. Which probably isn't far off. Overpriced and doesn't really do anything you wish it would.
Posted by: buzzion at August 03, 2015 12:08 PM (zt+N6)
Posted by: GOPe at August 03, 2015 12:08 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: Jeb! at August 03, 2015 12:08 PM (O7MnT)
Just because we cannot catch all speeders doesn't mean we can't have laws against speeding and enforcement of such laws.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 03, 2015 12:08 PM (b65cm)
Posted by: Fritz at August 03, 2015 12:09 PM (UzPAd)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 03, 2015 12:02 PM (Y7GGk)
I'm hoping every candidate on stage gets asked what the Confederate flag means to him/her personally.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 03, 2015 12:09 PM (TOk1P)
He's the worst on the issue as well. Trump pretends he's suddenly tough on immigration, but he is just going through the motions. The guy's entire livelihood depends on illegals.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 03, 2015 12:09 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Petunia at August 03, 2015 12:09 PM (O7MnT)
Just because we cannot catch all speeders doesn't mean we can't have laws against speeding and enforcement of such laws.
Posted by: AmishDude
Yeah, about that first part...
Posted by: GPS Black Box in Your Car at August 03, 2015 12:09 PM (/Ho8c)
So our communities being disrupted is okey-dokey, but theirs must be protected?
Posted by: Lizzy at August 03, 2015 12:10 PM (NOIQH)
The migrants made the "deal" that they thought it was a better life for them to live in the shadows and come here illegally, why is it on us to make their lives easier even when they knew the consequences?
Posted by: McAdams at August 03, 2015 12:10 PM (1Ngne)
I will not, will not, will not vote for Jeb f'ing Bush.
Posted by: Marmo, heteronormative person of pallor at August 03, 2015 12:11 PM (QW+AD)
Bush 2000: "Compassionate Conservatism."
Bush 2016: "Fronteras Abiertas y Beneficios!"
Posted by: Bush Slogans at August 03, 2015 12:11 PM (O7MnT)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 03, 2015 12:11 PM (Y7GGk)
Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at August 03, 2015 12:11 PM (fWAjv)
Yeah but this is less about the plan itself and more about the fact that we have to concede that at least right now the Dem's have successfully convinced the country that it'd be mean to do this.
If we want to try to win back the middle on this that's cool, but you have to start with the "why" no the how anyway. (I tend to contend the middle is to squish to ever go for it anyway. Similarly don't expect a big sweeping repeal of Medicare anytime soon either.)
Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at August 03, 2015 12:12 PM (U8W/7)
Does Jebbie really believe that there would be a NET COST to the taxpayer if, hypothetically speaking, we deported 20 million unskilled, low-paid, EIC-drawing, benefit-sapping illegal immigrants?
He seems to be insane.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at August 03, 2015 12:12 PM (oZr5y)
As they pull a pistol and barge right on in......
Posted by: rickb223 at August 03, 2015 12:12 PM (SdfnP)
Yep, and when people speed and suffer adverse effects, like an accident, it's not our problem (provide no other car involved).
So why is it our problem to make right for illegal immigrants?
Posted by: Lizzy at August 03, 2015 12:12 PM (NOIQH)
Posted by: Shallow HAL 9000 at August 03, 2015 12:12 PM (VcOqI)
It's closer to 34 + million."
It's no longer the USA, it's Mexico Norte.
Posted by: Decaf at August 03, 2015 12:12 PM (En3WJ)
Posted by: steve in tulsa at August 03, 2015 12:12 PM (aNTak)
Posted by: Marmo, heteronormative person of pallor at August 03, 2015 12:11 PM (QW+AD)
Yep. I had to hold my nose for McCain and Romney.
I'm done.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 03, 2015 12:12 PM (oFCZn)
So turn that on its head and say that exporting those folks back to their original country is an act of kindness. We're just helping them out with their lost population problem.
Call it something like compassionate deportations.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 03, 2015 12:12 PM (jPlFu)
Unlike MS-13 and millions of illegals on welfare, public education, and Obamacare driving down the wages of working class taxpayers.
Posted by: Bush Slogans at August 03, 2015 12:12 PM (O7MnT)
And want to defund Planned Parenthood.
And do not want to see a National minimum wage increase.
And do not believe in Same-Sex Marriage.
Yeh...we could tell people all that.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 03, 2015 12:13 PM (VPLuQ)
Posted by: Stringer Davis at August 03, 2015 12:13 PM (xq1UY)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 03, 2015 12:13 PM (Y7GGk)
Posted by: Ignoramus at August 03, 2015 12:13 PM (r1fLd)
McCain was the ultimate, open-borders Amnesty shill and also got something like 35% of the Latino vote, basically identical to Mitt Romney saying they should self-deport.
Even if the GOP never said a peep about border enforcement, impoverished aliens are still going to prefer the Party that gives them the most free shit.
Posted by: McAdams at August 03, 2015 12:14 PM (1Ngne)
Posted by: Shallow HAL 9000 at August 03, 2015 12:14 PM (VcOqI)
Does Jebbie really believe that there would be a NET COST to the taxpayer if, hypothetically speaking, we deported 20 million unskilled, low-paid, EIC-drawing, benefit-sapping illegal immigrants?
Sure, there would be a cost. At first. But within a year or two the reduction in costs in prison, welfare, law enforcement, etc would offset that rapidly. Prices would necessarily go up as farms and construction sites would have to pay actual wages and benefits, but in a sane world where mass deportation and border control took place, there would be tax reductions to offset the costs.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 03, 2015 12:14 PM (39g3+)
I'm done.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis
I agree. If there is a real candidate, I'll vote for them. If El Jebinator or another Dem with a red tie, I'll vote for my dead pet cat.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our Republic at August 03, 2015 12:14 PM (/Ho8c)
http://tinyurl.com/cka7htx
Short version: if the cohort of illegals here as of 2013 had been given amnesty, once they had all become fully eligible for the entire array of means-tested welfare provisions from the federal alphabet-soup agencies, it would cost _over one hundred billion dollars per year_.
EVERY YEAR.
And, the cohort of amnestiable illegals in the USA by 2017 will be substantially larger than the one in 2013, because of Obama slamming the throttle wide open since then (and because of the Beltway GOP doing nothing to stop him).
Posted by: torquewrench at August 03, 2015 12:14 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: AmishDude
Yeah, about that first part...
Posted by: GPS Black Box in Your Car at August 03, 2015 12:09 PM (/Ho8c)
Nah, they will never eliminate the speeding ticket system in place, with cops sitting out there like roadside bandits, waiting to pull over weary travelers, and take their money, at gunpoint.
Frankly, I give the old west bandits who held up stagecoaches and trains more credit. They stole money to enrich themselves. Today's cops steal money to enrich the fatcat little hitler politicians in their jurisdictions.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 03, 2015 12:15 PM (TOk1P)
Read recently that 1 in 5 Mexicans is living in the US.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 03, 2015 12:15 PM (NOIQH)
Don't discount a UNITAS cruise, either.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 03, 2015 12:15 PM (VPLuQ)
Posted by: Shallow HAL 9000 at August 03, 2015 12:16 PM (VcOqI)
Posted by: @votermom at August 03, 2015 12:16 PM (cbfNE)
Comment #10 is the prime example of the angry white power resentment voter that is ruining the GOP.
Posted by: Leonora at August 03, 2015 12:16 PM (pifhR)
Me, too, Dack. Held my nose and voted for McCain and Romney.
I'm at the point where I'm ready to vote out RINO GOP incumbents, even if it means voting for their democrat opponents.
Posted by: Marmo, heteronormative person of pallor at August 03, 2015 12:17 PM (QW+AD)
Posted by: Lizzy at August
I believe that was Guatemalans or El Salvadorans. But still, seriously FUBAR.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our Republic at August 03, 2015 12:17 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: Francisco "Otter" Sanchez at August 03, 2015 12:17 PM (oZr5y)
Even if they don't take the citizenship option they'd benefit from the suddenly legalization.
Frankly think that's a slap in the face to all the legal immigrants.
I might be willing to consider it 3-5 years after we have some sort of measurable border security but only: 1) if that security is in place and 2) we continue deporting during those 3-5 years.
Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at August 03, 2015 12:17 PM (U8W/7)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 03, 2015 12:17 PM (wtvvX)
There will be no "near" citizens. The SCOTUS will see to that.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 03, 2015 12:17 PM (SdfnP)
Yeah, there doesn't need to be busses and trucks. You just need to enforce the laws that are presently on the books and lean on businesses hiring illegals. Remove the incentives to come here, and they will leave.
Or, you could be like Oregon and when there's a bad year for illegal alien work... tell them to stay, build them homes, and give them welfare. Out of "compassion."
I'm not making this up, it literally happened here in the 80s.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 03, 2015 12:18 PM (39g3+)
He doesn't want you to think to the second level.
Posted by: V the K at August 03, 2015 12:18 PM (O7MnT)
them. If El Jebinator or another Dem with a red tie, I'll vote for my
dead pet cat.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our Republic at August 03, 2015 12:14 PM (/Ho8c)
What's your dead cat's name? When the time comes, I think it would make more sense for us to coalesce behind just one dead cat candidate, rather than us all voting for our own dead cat.
If the vote count is 1 each for Tinkles, Mr. Whiskers, Foo Foo, and Puffball, it sorta dilutes the message.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 03, 2015 12:19 PM (TOk1P)
Thank you for your concern. A form letter is in the mail.
Posted by: The AoS Concern Desk at August 03, 2015 12:19 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 03, 2015 12:19 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: Big Ben at August 03, 2015 12:19 PM (VF1OZ)
In 2010, Jeb was named one of the founding directors of the Bloomberg Family Foundation, established as a tax-exempt foundation to advance the vision of former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg. He resigned from the board at the end of 2014 to prepare his presidential campaign.
Posted by: Hannibal Lecter at August 03, 2015 12:19 PM (e8kgV)
Totally unrelated.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 03, 2015 12:19 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Jeb! the amnesty gnome at August 03, 2015 12:20 PM (VAsIq)
Heavy penalties with prison time for those who hire illegal aliens.
Kick illegal aliens off of the welfare programs - No Medicaid, Medicare, EBT, Soc Sec- nothing (and yes, I know, Supreme Court)
Prison time with asset seizure for anyone found using a fake or stolen Soc Sec number
If Children are under 21, automatic reversal of any "born on US soil" citizenship- so families won't be broken up by deportation of parents.
Will this happen? Probably not.
But people of the middle class need to realize that the monies which could be used for their retirement, which they have already paid for are being consumed by illegal aliens who have paid nothing of consequence and will pay nothing into the system that will even come close to covering what they take out.
Just wait till you're 68 and means tested so you get nothing will Juan Blow's father who just traipsed across the border gets your full benefits that you already paid for.
However, if the following laws were implemented with say a 60 day grace period.
There would be close to zero illegals in the US.
Posted by: naturalfake at August 03, 2015 12:20 PM (KUa85)
Posted by: buzzion at August 03, 2015 12:20 PM (zt+N6)
Posted by: Garrett at August 03, 2015 12:20 PM (cvI9D)
More proof of why Oregon has gone so far into the retard column...
This is a state which has bad seasonal employment and yet keeps these idiots around.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 03, 2015 12:20 PM (Y7GGk)
Voting for Fauxahontas will be so repugnant that I might have to cut off the finger I use to press the button, but I'll f-ing do it. (Note to self: use pinkie finger on left hand to vote.)
Posted by: Agent J at August 03, 2015 12:20 PM (ueOgE)
What people don't believe is that Jeb or most other candidates will actually follow through.
Posted by: jwest at August 03, 2015 12:21 PM (P/xrJ)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 03, 2015 12:21 PM (wtvvX)
Posted by: Marmo, heteronormative person of pallor at August 03, 2015 12:21 PM (QW+AD)
Posted by: Gerard Oliver Percival, esq at August 03, 2015 12:21 PM (2tLz4)
Posted by: Blacksheep at August 03, 2015 12:21 PM (8/DeP)
Fuck off.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 03, 2015 12:22 PM (0LHZx)
The best way to do this is to require proof of citizenship before you can send money outside the USA. It really would work. It would enrage Mexico, which is basically surviving on US dollars pumped in by illegals every year, but it would destroy the system.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 03, 2015 12:22 PM (39g3+)
You know what we call a social moderate? Someone who has not yet been raped by a dirty illegal mexican.
You will, leonardo. Just put on some makeup. Your turn will come.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 03, 2015 12:22 PM (TOk1P)
We finally found a huge government program our party won't support!
Posted by: Cathy McRogers Morris at August 03, 2015 12:22 PM (kdHMQ)
Posted by: The AoS Concern Desk at August 03, 2015 12:23 PM (Dwehj)
____________
It worked in AZ. Even the prospect of that law (that never actually happened) led a ton of illegals to leave. Make a similar law nationwide and within a couple of years, most illegals will have gone home. And it would cost practically nothing to implement.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 03, 2015 12:24 PM (0LHZx)
What's your dead cat's name? When the time
comes, I think it would make more sense for us to coalesce behind just
one dead cat candidate, rather than us all voting for our own dead cat.
Posted by: BurtTC
Sasquatch.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our Republic at August 03, 2015 12:24 PM (/Ho8c)
I am slightly alarmed here at the lack of enthusiasm for the republican front runner.
Posted by: Gerard Oliver Percival, esq at August 03, 2015 12:21 PM (2tLz4)
---------------------------------------------------------
You mean Trump?
Posted by: Marmo, heteronormative person of pallor at August 03, 2015 12:24 PM (QW+AD)
Is it possible to start yelling about one PROVEN way to address the problem of illegal immigration?
That is, of course, to rigorously enforce EXISTING law.
Not even here, where you'd think that would be given lots of attention.
How come not?
Posted by: irongrampa at August 03, 2015 12:24 PM (jeCnD)
Posted by: Donald Trump at August 03, 2015 12:25 PM (cvI9D)
Posted by: Leonora at August 03, 2015 12:16 PM (pifhR)
Well, sugartits, I went back and read that comment and saw no evidence of hate or anger or even any evidence that Kreplach is white.
So why don't you go fetch your fucking shinebox? Thanks in advance.
Posted by: GnuBreed at August 03, 2015 12:25 PM (jPlFu)
You could make it legal for bank to bank wire transfers. (For business)
Open a bank account lately? Notice all of the paperwork required thanks to the Patriot Act? Hell of a lot more the what Western Union requires.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 03, 2015 12:25 PM (SdfnP)
Posted by: rickb223 at August 03, 2015 12:17 PM (SdfnP)
Yep. The moment some law is signed that gives illegals some sort of "legal but not citizens" status the lawsuit to make them citizens will be filed. Probably by one of the senators that sponsored the "legal but not citizens" law.
Posted by: buzzion at August 03, 2015 12:25 PM (zt+N6)
What's your dead cat's name? When the time
comes, I think it would make more sense for us to coalesce behind just
one dead cat candidate, rather than us all voting for our own dead cat.
Posted by: BurtTC
Sasquatch.
______________
We'll have to pick another name to write in. Wouldn't want Michelle to think she has wide spread support for a run.
Posted by: Gerard Oliver Percival, esq at August 03, 2015 12:26 PM (2tLz4)
If you want to understand who someone really is, examine the company that they keep.
http://tinyurl.com/ktp8rl4
Posted by: torquewrench at August 03, 2015 12:26 PM (noWW6)
Right. You are willing to embrace the corruption and socialism of the Democrat Party because Conservative are so darn mean.
Everybody who believes this, whack your genitals twice with a ball-peen hammer.
Posted by: V the K at August 03, 2015 12:26 PM (O7MnT)
Posted by: Chris M at August 03, 2015 12:26 PM (k3w9p)
History teaches us this will never work. If the normal channels of moving money are cut off, new, back channel methods will replace it in a matter of weeks.
Posted by: jwest at August 03, 2015 12:27 PM (P/xrJ)
Sure, many work for cash, but larger companies are not going to want the headaches and fines. You would see a mass self deportation.
We could solve our immigration problem over night, it's a problem of political will.
Posted by: McAdams at August 03, 2015 12:27 PM (1Ngne)
Posted by: Insomniac at August 03, 2015 12:27 PM (2Ojst)
Posted by: irongrampa
Dunno. Seems like that should come first before "reforming" anything. If the law isn't being applied, kinda hard to tell if it needs fixing or not.
In general, that's a major problem with our current codes. We have way too many laws on the books, and many of them aren't applied or are applied unequally.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our Republic at August 03, 2015 12:28 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: Zombie Cecil at August 03, 2015 12:28 PM (Dwehj)
The Donald: Read my lips, asswipe: Get Lost.
Posted by: Shallow HAL 9000 at August 03, 2015 12:28 PM (VcOqI)
Open a bank account lately? Notice all of the paperwork required
thanks to the Patriot Act? Hell of a lot more the what Western Union
requires.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 03, 2015 12:25 PM (SdfnP)
Funny, I haven't tried to wire any W.U. lately, but I seem to recall it was nearly impossible to use a credit/debit card as the source of funds. Cash, cold hard cash, or nothing.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 03, 2015 12:28 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 03, 2015 12:28 PM (39g3+)
comes, I think it would make more sense for us to coalesce behind just
one dead cat candidate, rather than us all voting for our own dead cat.
Posted by: BurtTC "
Cecil
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 03, 2015 12:28 PM (VPLuQ)
Posted by: Russkilitlover at August 03, 2015 12:28 PM (uvNo4)
Everyone here has said enforce the fvcking law. So many times, they are tired of typing it.
Enforce the fvcking law.
Same reason we don't need an Article 5 Convention. Enforce the fvcking Constitution.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 03, 2015 12:29 PM (SdfnP)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 03, 2015 12:04 PM (VPLuQ)
There's much, much more going on than that. You should see some of the stuff that I get to read on a daily basis.
Posted by: Country Singer at August 03, 2015 12:29 PM (8hctH)
Posted by: Juan McCain at August 03, 2015 12:29 PM (9spsc)
Posted by: Marmo, heteronormative person of pallor at August 03, 2015 12:29 PM (QW+AD)
Posted by: rickb223 at August 03, 2015 12:17 PM (SdfnP)
Yep. The moment some law is signed that gives illegals some sort of "legal but not citizens" status the lawsuit to make them citizens will be filed. Probably by one of the senators that sponsored the "legal but not citizens" law.
Posted by: buzzion at August 03, 2015 12:25 PM (zt+N6)
___________
In could work in theory. There are already many different classifications for immigrants....you have H1B, Green Card, L2, L1, etc. Some of these allow you to eventually become a citizen, some of them don't.
But of course Kennedy and Roberts would see to it that anyone born in Mexico and living in the US is granted citizenship.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 03, 2015 12:29 PM (0LHZx)
If my party nominates a crazy, anti-immigrant extremist it will lead to defeat in 2016.
Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at August 03, 2015 12:30 PM (Ui7Rt)
Even Jeb's mom said we've had enough Bushes. No more Clintons, no more Bushes. Period. I will not vote for either one, I do not care what happens. Its SMOD or Vermin Supreme.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 03, 2015 12:30 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Bud Norton at August 03, 2015 12:30 PM (6cOMd)
He
"wears" the trappings of religion like most folks wear a suit coat ..
he puts on one when it seems appropriate. Sometimes, he wears Christian
.. other times Muslim .. but underneath he really doesn't believe in
any of them; they are merely for appearance .. to dispense a dose of
the opiate to the masses.
Posted by: Hasanwayh at August 03, 2015 12:30 PM (e8kgV)
comes, I think it would make more sense for us to coalesce behind just
one dead cat candidate, rather than us all voting for our own dead cat.
Posted by: BurtTC
Sasquatch.
______________
We'll have to pick another name to write in. Wouldn't want Michelle to think she has wide spread support for a run.
Posted by: Gerard Oliver Percival, esq at August 03, 2015 12:26 PM (2tLz4)
Good point. I could see Dred Justice Roberts now: "Given the majority of votes for 'Sasquatch,' Michele is elected, because... wait for it... it's a tax!"
Posted by: BurtTC at August 03, 2015 12:31 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: bajaretired at August 03, 2015 12:31 PM (wJHPR)
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our Republic at August 03, 2015 12:32 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: Garrett at August 03, 2015 12:32 PM (cvI9D)
I've heard they were going to go after the employers of illegal aliens for over 30 years but they rarely do.
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 03, 2015 12:32 PM (iQIUe)
Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at August 03, 2015 12:07 PM (oVJmc)
Better that than a dart from a blowgun. Yes, that almost happened to a shipmate of mine. It whizzed right past his ear and into a balloon on the ceiling.
Posted by: Country Singer at August 03, 2015 12:32 PM (8hctH)
I am par Mexican and do not worry about being raped by my own people. Most rapists are whites, not Mexican.
The illegal issue is really a way to bash Hispanics. Inam going to present a scenario to you,. Let us say that somehow people like you got in power. The illegals are either reported or leave. What will be your reaction if removing illegals do not make that big a dent in the Hispanic population of the US. Will you then target Hispanics here legally? What assurance do I have that down the road, you will not come after me.
Please answer me honestly.
Posted by: Leonora at August 03, 2015 12:32 PM (pifhR)
Good point. I could see Dred Justice Roberts
now: "Given the majority of votes for 'Sasquatch,' Michele is elected,
because... wait for it... it's a tax!"
Posted by: BurtTC
Yes, good points.
And fvck Traitor Roberts.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our Republic at August 03, 2015 12:32 PM (/Ho8c)
Before any immigration reform, Congress should be forced to explain what the existing laws are and why they are not adequate. I'm tired of hearing "the immigration system is broken" yet no one can explain how it's broken.
Posted by: Marmo, heteronormative person of pallor at August 03, 2015 12:32 PM (QW+AD)
History teaches us this will never work. If the normal channels of moving money are cut off, new, back channel methods will replace it in a matter of weeks.
New, LESS SECURE, back channels. And when that money doesn't make it home so leetle Pepe has shoes......
Posted by: rickb223 at August 03, 2015 12:33 PM (SdfnP)
Posted by: Bud Norton
What's so funny is we're supposed to feel so sorry for these people because they have to move. Big fucking deal, you would think we're throwing them in some concentration camp.
They're going back to the same home of the Mexican flag they proudly wave while living here.
Posted by: McAdams at August 03, 2015 12:33 PM (1Ngne)
Step #1: Follow the existing law.
Step #2: See Step #1
Posted by: Fritz at August 03, 2015 12:33 PM (UzPAd)
Can we write 'Juden' on their shop windows or something similar?
No wait, that's for traditional-marriage conservatives. Never mind.
Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at August 03, 2015 12:34 PM (HZ31b)
Posted by: jwest at August 03, 2015 12:27 PM (P/xrJ)
_________
But it will be much more expensive. So instead of paying $5 to wire $100 (or whatever the cost is now), it will cost $15. Which means Juan's family gets $10 less. Doesn't solve the problem, but it solves a small % of the problem.
Saying it does nothing is like saying, well you can't deport 20 million people. It's a false choice.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 03, 2015 12:34 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 03, 2015 12:34 PM (xSCb6)
Posted by: torquewrench at August 03, 2015 12:34 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Zombie Professor Cecil at August 03, 2015 12:34 PM (Dwehj)
Don't even put that on the table.
Because we know they won't fucking ever delay the legalization even if NONE of the enforcement measures have been met.
If you want to "trust them one more time" then the only acceptable option is if it grants specific legal standing to any individual citizen to sue and stop the legalization if the specific benchmarks have not been met.
Congress can do that. And if they want us to "trust them" then it will never be exercised, will it?
The only reason they wouldn't agree to that term is because--as you and I know damned well--they have no fucking intention of ever enforcing the law. And they will promise anything and everything to get the legalization.
Posted by: RoyalOil at August 03, 2015 12:35 PM (ZvKdv)
If there were millions of Eastern Europeans pouring in here illegally every year, I would still have a problem with illegal immigration despite the fact that the illegals were white.
The skin color argument is completely bogus.
Posted by: McAdams at August 03, 2015 12:35 PM (1Ngne)
Yeah. The problem isn't the laws, or lack of a fence, or the expense. Its the lack of political will. Dems see future voters and dissolution of the concept of national borders with a side of "destruction of white American culture" and GOP sees cheap labor that will bypass regulations. Gerardo will work for pay under the table without benefits.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 03, 2015 12:35 PM (39g3+)
1. Soft flour tortilla
2. Crunchy corn tortilla
3. Carne asada
4. Refritos
5. Queso
6. Salsa
iMuy delicioso!
Posted by: Muldoon-ado at August 03, 2015 12:35 PM (NeFrd)
It will be a solid gold loaf.
Posted by: Mr. Foo Foo at August 03, 2015 12:35 PM (Dwehj)
Can't you see how the hateful rhetoric makes Hispanic nervous?
Posted by: Leonora at August 03, 2015 12:36 PM (pifhR)
Posted by: rickb223 at August 03, 2015 12:33 PM (SdfnP)
Less secure? Maybe. All banking is based on trust, so the people making money off it tend to go to great lengths to make it secure.
On top of that, it would be private. No government forms, no nosey bankers asking where you made the money or who it's going to. Sounds like the ideal situation.
I wish it was in place now. I would use it.
Posted by: jwest at August 03, 2015 12:36 PM (P/xrJ)
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at August 03, 2015 12:36 PM (k9qR4)
Posted by: Leonora
Firstly, your claim about rapes is likely true, since whites make up a larger portion of the population. Statistical analysis of the rate of rapes among different demographics would be more compelling evidence. I have not studied the data at this time, and so don't know what the probabilities look like.
Have "people like us" targeted Hispanics here legally for deportation a lot in recent times? Please answer me honestly.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our Republic at August 03, 2015 12:36 PM (/Ho8c)
Posted by: donna at August 03, 2015 12:36 PM (hUdMz)
...and its all because of you Jesusf***ers that we have this problem! I make more money every day than the national debt and I know what I'm talking about!!1!!!1!!1
Posted by: MeeMee at August 03, 2015 12:37 PM (39g3+)
Ever single scrunt on any of the "The Real Housewifes Of..." shows.
Every single one of them.
And two thirds of the husbands as well.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 03, 2015 12:37 PM (VPLuQ)
Ask anyone who's tried the legal route how easily and quickly the deportation mechanism can kick in.
Why the GOP doesn't use more of those cases - and there are many - in this debate would be mystifying if it wasn't clear that they don't give a damn about winning.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 03, 2015 12:37 PM (xSCb6)
Posted by: White Hispanic at August 03, 2015 12:38 PM (UhRGU)
Please answer me honestly.
Posted by: Leonora at August 03, 2015 12:32 PM (pifhR)
I don't come after anybody, you fake female, you. Ask my wives!
Posted by: BurtTC at August 03, 2015 12:38 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 03, 2015 12:38 PM (VY8H5)
1. Soft flour tortilla
2. Crunchy corn tortilla
3. Carne asada
4. Refritos
5. Queso
6. Salsa
Now I'm hungry.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 03, 2015 12:38 PM (39g3+)
-----------
Yes, enforcing the law is hateful. Good point! Would you like a job?
Posted by: Jeb Bush at August 03, 2015 12:38 PM (HstNY)
But they don't fucking care about that "disruption."
Sending an American citizen to the hospital after they've been raped by an illegal alien will disrupt communities and families too.
But they don't fucking care about that "disruption."
Sending an American family to the hospital (if they're lucky, sometimes it's the morgue) after they've been run down by an illegal alien on his 4th DWI will disrupt communities and families too.
But they don't fucking care about that "disruption."
Posted by: RoyalOil at August 03, 2015 12:38 PM (ZvKdv)
Really?
Fcunk best you got there buttercup?
Posted by: Every law abiding gun owner in America at August 03, 2015 12:38 PM (VPLuQ)
****
Okay I confess. I stole that recipe from Taco Bell. It's the new CrunchWrap Taco (TM)
Posted by: Muldoon at August 03, 2015 12:38 PM (NeFrd)
Posted by: Leonora at August 03, 2015 12:32 PM (pifhR)
Here's an honest answer for you. I don't give a tuppenny fuck about your race or national origin. If you are, as you claim, here legally I don't give a shit. Now...onto your real purpose, which is to insinuate that people who want to stop illegal immigration would move on to some sort of Great Purge of Hispanics. That's a bunch of hysterical SJW bullshit designed to smear people who want to uphold the rule of law as some kind of white-power maniacs with a genocidal agenda to achieve racial purity. So, from the deepest, purest, most honest place in my black, heart-shaped cavity, kindly fuck off.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 03, 2015 12:39 PM (2Ojst)
Hispanics who are the majority trust that you will stop at illegals?
What guarantee is there that you will not target legal Hispanics?
Can't you see how the hateful rhetoric makes Hispanic nervous?
Posted by: Leonora at August 03, 2015 12:36 PM (pifhR)
Take your straw man and shove it up your straw ass.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 03, 2015 12:39 PM (wtvvX)
Posted by: torquewrench at August 03, 2015 12:39 PM (noWW6)
Posted by: Lizzy at August
I believe that was Guatemalans or El Salvadorans. But still, seriously FUBAR.
Posted by: Moderate Salami, weeping for our Republic at August 03, 2015 12:17 PM (/Ho8c)
Not to worry. We'll make more.
Posted by: Guatemalan fertility rate of 3.84 at August 03, 2015 12:40 PM (HZ31b)
They don't use 'chutes with their C130 Repatriation program. Cuts way down on recidivism.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 03, 2015 12:40 PM (SdfnP)
Please answer me honestly.
Posted by: Leonora
Of al the arguments, this one is probably the dumbest.
That's sort of like saying we shouldn't go after Islamic terrorism because it might make Arabs living here nervous.
Has anyone in the history of the United States ever been wrongfully deported?
Posted by: McAdams at August 03, 2015 12:40 PM (1Ngne)
___________
That's right. The entire country of Mexico has had zero rapes a year for the past 72 years. I forgot.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 03, 2015 12:41 PM (0LHZx)
Please answer me honestly.
Posted by: Leonora at August 03, 2015 12:32 PM (pifhR)
What assurance do we have that you won't make the U.S. into a failed state, like the one (or your antecedents) you fled here from?
Become an American in thought, word, and deed, adopt American values - the ones that induced you or your antecedents, and mine - to come here, and that built the greatest nation in the history of mankind, and there'll be no problem.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 03, 2015 12:41 PM (oKE6c)
Not necessarily.
The alternative method will most likely be family-based, like the Rothchilds started out. Very little overhead, no taxes, no advertising, tiny staff. They might be able to save people money over Western Union charges.
Plus totally secret. Where do I sign up?
Posted by: jwest at August 03, 2015 12:41 PM (P/xrJ)
Old or new troll?
Posted by: donna at August 03, 2015 12:36 PM (hUdMz)
Old. Same one, same schtick, different tack. This "ooh, I'm a vulnerable female who is afraid you mean white people are coming after me" is the same act, just a different tone.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 03, 2015 12:41 PM (TOk1P)
****
Add a 10 cent dollop of sour cream and you can call it a CrunchWrap Taco Supreme (TM) and charge a full dollar more.
Posted by: Muldoon at August 03, 2015 12:41 PM (NeFrd)
It's already written.
It has already stood the test of the Mexican Court System.
So it has to be legal and just, yes?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 03, 2015 12:42 PM (VPLuQ)
Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at August 03, 2015 12:42 PM (f+6Pd)
****
Add a 10 cent dollop of sour cream and you can call it a CrunchWrap Taco Supreme (TM) and charge a full dollar more.
Posted by: Muldoon at August 03, 2015 12:41 PM (NeFrd)
That's not sour cream...
Posted by: Insomniac at August 03, 2015 12:42 PM (2Ojst)
Yikes!
I was concerned w/the OPM breach + ISIS constantly threatening to attack service members and their families. Especially since we know Obama will o nothing to protect them.
Posted by: Lizzy at August 03, 2015 12:42 PM (NOIQH)
That's the reason the Catholic church is so gung ho on protecting them.... They need the Parishioners.. Unfortunately for them many of the new "Americans in waiting" are going the evangelical route...
Posted by: donna at August 03, 2015 12:42 PM (hUdMz)
the ones that induced you or your antecedents, and mine - to come here,
and that built the greatest nation in the history of mankind, and
there'll be no problem.
+100
Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at August 03, 2015 12:42 PM (Dwehj)
the ones that induced you or your antecedents, and mine - to come here,
and that built the greatest nation in the history of mankind, and
there'll be no problem.
+100
Posted by: Uncle Busyhands at August 03, 2015 12:42 PM (Dwehj)
Hear, hear.
Posted by: Insomniac at August 03, 2015 12:42 PM (2Ojst)
I disagree. You can bet your ass that those Eastern Europeans would run into all sorts of obstacles to immigration due to their skin color.
Ask any attorney that's represented legal immigrants of varying skin color what the success rates are for various demographics. They'll deport a white person in a heartbeat if so much as one T isn't crossed.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 03, 2015 12:43 PM (xSCb6)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 03, 2015 12:43 PM (wtvvX)
Depends on your definition of "Deported"
Posted by: Native Americans at August 03, 2015 12:43 PM (VPLuQ)
Posted by: Lizzy at August 03, 2015 12:44 PM (NOIQH)
Take Western Union and banks out of it. and the black market pops up.
And there are NO stories of coyotes taking illegals money and not transporting them.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 03, 2015 12:44 PM (SdfnP)
Argument Troll style:
"You're concerned about illegal immigration so you will soon turn on all Hispanics!"
Yeah, sure, gonna start clearing out Miami including the natural born citizens. All we gotta do is figure out how to get a constitutional amendment revoking citizenship based on last name.
Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at August 03, 2015 12:44 PM (U8W/7)
Plus totally secret. Where do I sign up?
Posted by: jwest at August 03, 2015 12:41 PM (P/xrJ)
_________
Then why doesn't exist already? The market is always in search of cheaper services. If it could be done cheaper - legally - it would already be done.
What you are talking about is an black market operation. And with anything black market the costs increase tremendously. Unless you think Mexican criminals will do it all for free.
Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at August 03, 2015 12:44 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Lizzy at August
I believe that was Guatemalans or El Salvadorans. But still, seriously FUBAR.
Posted by: Moderate Salami
Not to worry. We'll make more.
Posted by: Guatemalan fertility rate of 3.84
Planned Parenthood, saddle up!
Posted by: rickb223 at August 03, 2015 12:46 PM (SdfnP)
That's sort of like saying we shouldn't go after Islamic terrorism because it might make Arabs living here nervous.
No, its more like saying we shouldn't go after speeders because it will make people who drive safely and legally nervous. Its about as idiotic as humanly possible, and deserving of zero response. Its like hearing someone else's rather dull child make up a rhyme about cookies and snot at a dinner party. Just ignore them and hope they go away.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 03, 2015 12:46 PM (39g3+)
Yeah someone asked how the system is broken: chain immigration is one way.
Spouses and dependents makes sense, past that, nope, sorry.
Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at August 03, 2015 12:46 PM (U8W/7)
Many conservatives think that going after illegals will remove Hispanics from America. Thanks to Fox News, talk radio and the blogs most Conservatives believe most Hispanics are illegal. Hence this debate is tinged with ethnic animus.
Why can't conservativee just make it clear they are not targeting the Hispanic population? Why can't you make that clear and alleviate the fears many Hispanics have that Conservatives at aiming for our elimination from this country?
Why not be clear on your end game?
Posted by: Leonora at August 03, 2015 12:46 PM (pifhR)
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at August 03, 2015 12:47 PM (iQIUe)
Romantic hooey.
Very few illegals are induced to come here by "American values".
The vast majority are induced to come here by MOAR FREE SHIT.
Which is a perfectly understandable if cynical motivation.
If there were a notional country where they were stupid enough to hand out more to me personally in cushy free benefits than I could ever earn working for a living here in America, just for my having showed up there, I'd want to go to that country immediately.
I wouldn't give a damn what their "values" were. Just that they were suckers with deep pockets and that it was a great deal for me.
Posted by: torquewrench at August 03, 2015 12:48 PM (noWW6)
Why do you refuse to answer my simple question and instead take a swipe at my ethnicity? Why are Conservatives so coy about the end game?
Posted by: Leonora at August 03, 2015 12:49 PM (pifhR)
Everything you posted in your first paragraph is fact free. But you do get bonus points for vomiting up "Fox News" when no one else is talking about it.
Go get some rest and come back when you're refreshed and ready.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 03, 2015 12:49 PM (xSCb6)
Step 1: Require all illegal immigrants to register as Guest Workers. Have all Guest Worker permits expire after 5 years. Guest Worker permits are to be terminated in the event the holder commits any serious crime.
Step 2: Require all employers to verify that all employees are either Citizens, Resident Aliens or Guest Workers.Require them to re-verify the status of all GuestWorkers in their employ every six months.
Step 3:Set the minimum wage for all Guest Workers at $10.00 per hour.If there is a shortage of labor requiring the employment of guest workers, this should not be a burden.
Posted by: Haiku Guy at August 03, 2015 12:49 PM (hmj8n)
"Then why doesn't exist already? The market is always in search of cheaper services. If it could be done cheaper - legally - it would already be done. "
It might already exist.
I received payment for my products from my Libyan distributor through a Jordain intermediary. This was because the commerce bank of Libya is closed.
Same deal.
Posted by: jwest at August 03, 2015 12:49 PM (P/xrJ)
And further, seeing your new home as a bottomless ATM would tend to reduce your respect or desire to be like that country. Why would you want to blend in or assimilate, particularly when the nation makes it so easy not to?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 03, 2015 12:50 PM (39g3+)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 03, 2015 12:50 PM (xSCb6)
No problem. Police know exactly what to do in that case. In fact, they're already doing it. It's called asset forfeiture. If the cops find you with more than about $500 in cash, they simply take it. Then they make you fight in court to get it back. It turns western jurisprudence procedure on its head, but cops and bureaucrats love it, so who cares if it's unconstitutional?
Posted by: bonhomme at August 03, 2015 12:51 PM (jhqr1)
Make it illegal to wire money to Mexico and watch what happens.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 03, 2015 12:19 PM
Levy fees on it at 50%. Let the states it originates from have a go at another 25%. Include the H1 Indians. Then thank them for working so hard for the US government and taxpayers. And the employers, banks, US Post office and Western Union for collecting it. Put in in a fund for border security staff, equipment, a great wall and humongous X-ray scans for every truck, train, car and walker over the bridge coming in.
Posted by: Lester at August 03, 2015 12:51 PM (2UPXV)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 03, 2015 12:52 PM (39g3+)
Exactly, if the open borders crowd really felt like a fence or wall would do nothing to stop illegal immigration, why do they freak out when people propose it?
It's because they know how effective it would be.
Posted by: McAdams at August 03, 2015 12:54 PM (1Ngne)
Step 1: Posit a motive of your political opponents without basis in truth
Step 2: Watch your opponent deny the motive
Step 3: Assert that denial of said motive is actually proof of the motive!
Someone give this guy a medal for debate.
Posted by: joe at August 03, 2015 12:55 PM (KUaJL)
Posted by: Snoodling World Champion 1997 at August 03, 2015 12:56 PM (k9qR4)
Posted by: Leonora at August 03, 2015 12:46 PM (pifhR)
We're going to deport every mother-luvin' Hispanic in this country. Right after we deport every Irishman, Italian, ...
While we're clearing the air, what's your end game?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at August 03, 2015 01:01 PM (oKE6c)
Posted by: McAdams at August 03, 2015 12:40 PM (1Ngne)
Yep. Bobby Kennedy sent me to Guatemala.
But I fixed him and his fucking brother.
Posted by: Carlos Marcello at August 03, 2015 01:06 PM (oFCZn)
Well I'll give you points for being consistent(ly) full of shit.
That's not hate, that's reality. And there is no way on God's green earth you are "fiscally" conservative. If you are so stupid as to not understand the negative effect of the 65 re-alignment on immigration policy, there is no way you can understand fiscal conservatism. They said you were a troll, and they were right.
Posted by: Alamo at August 03, 2015 01:07 PM (2XJxO)
Actually, there are a lot of Chinese, South Asians, Arabics, Africans, and Europeans who are here illegally as well.
Anyone who is suckling welfare or taking a job that rightfully belongs to a white, Hispanic, black, or other American needs to leave. We need to take care of our own, first.
Posted by: V the K at August 03, 2015 01:08 PM (O7MnT)
Posted by: Dave LeBlanc at August 03, 2015 01:09 PM (TJzyX)
Build the dang fence. Place our troops on both borders and in out territorial waters doing the job they actually signed up for which is defending America from foreign invasion.
Make welfare and it's sibling programs available only to citizens.
Announce a 90 day take all your stuff and go home grace period after which we catch your ass you go straight to a deportation depot and are flown bussed trained (we can move hundreds of thousands of troops but we can't move a bunch of invaders anywhere? What are they superglued in place?) or whatever back to your home country with no opportunity to retrieve the money you have stashed under your floorboard. And you can petition the American embassy in your home country for redress. Must have a us citizen sponser your proper return.
I predict problem solved in less than 6 months.
Posted by: Old Guy at August 03, 2015 01:18 PM (ApT0U)
Posted by: DJIA Death Watch at August 03, 2015 01:59 PM (evdj2)
Posted by: Carlos Marcello at August 03, 2015 02:40 PM (VcOqI)
Hispanics who are the majority trust that you will stop at illegals?
What guarantee is there that you will not target legal Hispanics?
Can't you see how the hateful rhetoric makes Hispanic nervous?
Posted by: Leonora at August 03, 2015 12:36 PM (pifhR) "
Americans don't have *a* race, and it's about nationality, not race, jackass.
Posted by: revolting peasant at August 03, 2015 03:41 PM (ogaqr)
now is the time
Posted by: Muldoon at August 03, 2015 04:16 PM (NeFrd)
Man up for God's sake!
Posted by: gonzotx at August 03, 2015 04:31 PM (dcW4d)
Posted by: Muldoon at August 03, 2015 04:35 PM (NeFrd)
It's more like 30, maybe 40 million illegals in our country.
6, proposals, 100 proposals, 1000's of proposals later, our damn border is still non-existent.
With the anti-christ in the rainbow house for another 1.5 years, there isn't going to be a discernable US border, with any country.
RICO all banksters, the Chamber of Elite Commerce, their political hoes and 55,000 lawyers.
Posted by: der untermensch at August 03, 2015 06:21 PM (7lTkk)
This ain't rocket science folks. It's pretty straight forward stuff unless you're pandering to the pro illegal immigrant group. And, no they are not undocumented immigrants. They don't have documents because they broke the law to get into this country. They are illegal immigrants and trespassing on sovereign ground of the United States. Period.
Posted by: KauaiGoneGin at August 03, 2015 07:24 PM (uWaQa)
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