Some Economists Say Greece Should Stay In the Euro -- But Germany Should Exit It

I missed this when it was floated earlier. But it seems interesting, and people are talking about it again.

It's not so much that it's proposed that Germany exit the Euro-- they'd continue to have the Euro as a currency, if I understand this right.

It's that they would re-introduce the hard-currency Deutschmark, to compete with the Euro; their relative values would fluctuate against each other.

Germany (and the hard-money northern/central European states) would have what they want -- a stable, hard currency which is not devalued due to Mediterranean spending habits, and the rest of Europe would get the falling-in-value New Lira that it really seems to want.

A better, bolder and, until now, almost inconceivable solution [to the Greece crisis] is for Germany to reintroduce the mark, which would cause the euro to immediately decline in value. Such a devaluation would give troubled economies, especially those of Greece, Italy and Spain, the financial flexibility they need to stabilize themselves.
Although repeated currency devaluations are not the path to prosperity, a weaker euro would give a boost in competitiveness to all members of the monetary union, including France and the Netherlands, which is why they might very well choose to remain in it even if Germany were to gradually leave. A resurgence of manufacturing would also allow the vast unemployment rolls of Spain, Portugal, Greece and other countries to begin to decline. The tremendous loss of human capital and human dignity we are witnessing would ease.
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Unlike Greece -- whose exit from the euro would require either a redenomination or outright repudiation of its euro-denominated debts (with potentially catastrophic financial consequences) -- Germany would be able to reintroduce the mark without altering the form of any current asset, liability or contract. For example, euros deposited in German banks would remain euro-denominated. So would outstanding German sovereign and corporate debt now denominated in euros.

It's not all upside -- German industry would be hurt, due to (if I understand this) their hard-currency Deutschmarks making their products more expensive.

Meanwhile, German economics experts say that countries unable to get their finances in order should be invited to exit the Euro.

Countries should be able to exit the euro as a "last resort" if they are unable to manage their debts, the German government's independent economic advisers say, in a sign of Berlin's hardening attitude towards propping up fellow members of the single currency....

"A permanently unco-operative member state should not be able to threaten the existence of the euro," the economists said in a special report, published on Tuesday, calling for countries to exit the eurozone if it is necessary as an "utterly last resort".

The panel is made up of five so-called "wise men" of German economics, so this is fairly influential suggestion.

Posted by: Ace at 05:01 PM

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1 Everybody should exit the Euro. They could set up their own national currencies with exchange rates between them.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 29, 2015 05:01 PM (evdj2)

2 Though that might just be crazy talk.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 29, 2015 05:02 PM (evdj2)

3 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 29, 2015 05:02 PM (kff5f)

4 settle down there grump no need to completely invent new systems here

Posted by: the real ch3 at July 29, 2015 05:02 PM (IG5KL)

5 The Germans could "mark" their currency to whatever they are comfortable with.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 29, 2015 05:03 PM (evdj2)

6 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 29, 2015 05:03 PM (kff5f)

7 The Free Shit Army never works, at least not for long. Why can't people learn this lesson without getting hit up side the head with a 2x4.

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 29, 2015 05:03 PM (GpgJl)

8 Yeah, leave the Euro to the Greeks, the Portuguese and the Spaniards.

What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 29, 2015 05:03 PM (8ZskC)

9 Defund the EU bureaucracy and the EU Parliament staff and you're on to something.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at July 29, 2015 05:04 PM (u82oZ)

10 FYI: The Peruvians have moved their monetary system entirely over to giant stone discs.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 29, 2015 05:04 PM (8ZskC)

11 I dunno, Ace -- the "Gerxit" just doesn't have the same ring as the "Grexit."

Posted by: zombie at July 29, 2015 05:05 PM (jBuUi)

12 That would be mostly good for Germany (as you point out, price of their exports would suddenly surge relative to the Euro), but it would be laughably bad for everyone else.

How many countries are in the Euro exclusively? Sixteen? Hyper-inflation hitting 16 economies at once (which is more or less what's going to happen if Greece stays in)?

Talk about dogs and cats living together...

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 29, 2015 05:05 PM (kff5f)

13 They created the Euro to compete with and possibly overtake the dollar. Why they thought it would work is why economists are like weathermen.

Posted by: Cruzinator at July 29, 2015 05:07 PM (p/8Bt)

14 We also need Poland.

Posted by: FIVE WISE GERMAN MEN at July 29, 2015 05:08 PM (YW47b)

15
Wise-men as in Jews?

or Wise-men as in Wise Guys, as in mobsters?

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 29, 2015 05:08 PM (ZbU4g)

16 They created the Euro to compete with and possibly overtake the dollar. Why they thought it would work is why economists are like weathermen.

Even weathermen wouldn't have taken those odds. It's truly strange to me how many people don't understand how money works- especially "economists."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 29, 2015 05:09 PM (kff5f)

17 We also need Poland.

Yes ... a bit of Lebensraum, as it were..

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 29, 2015 05:09 PM (evdj2)

18 Greece should announce they are going to pay off their debts using Bitcoin.

Posted by: Cruzinator at July 29, 2015 05:09 PM (p/8Bt)

19 Its racist for Germany to leave the EU, and here's why.... -- VOX NEWS

Posted by: Dr Spank at July 29, 2015 05:09 PM (YW47b)

20 zombie

plus i'm pronouncing it "jerks it" and that just makes me giggle

Posted by: the real ch3 at July 29, 2015 05:10 PM (IG5KL)

21 Though, really, if Germany tries to exit the Euro (even if they're still "technically" an EU country), we're just looking at the reverse of if Greece is forced to exit: wars are fought over this kind of thing.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 29, 2015 05:10 PM (kff5f)

22 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 29, 2015 05:05 PM (kff5f

I was in Spain a few months after they adopted the euro.

Since the peseta was locked in at some number per euro (I think it was about 600:1) and most cash registers still operated in pesatas, the floating euro meant that inflation was basically happening over night.
It wasn't pleasant for them or for me. (I brought a credit card to make the vast majority of my purchases to benefit from the large scale exchange rate.)
I watched my exchange rate go from .85cents/euro to 1:1 in the 2 weeks I was there.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) rogue bioethicst at July 29, 2015 05:10 PM (tM4uk)

23 I say again: the wise man does immediately what the fool does eventually.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 29, 2015 05:10 PM (oKE6c)

24 Hasnt Germany done enough? Are they suppose to leave and take a hit, too?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 29, 2015 05:11 PM (iQIUe)

25 there's a reason the english stayed with the pound......

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at July 29, 2015 05:11 PM (0O7c5)

26 Which Moron was explaining that the Greeks, or really anyone, can easily leave the Euro, and their debts, by forcing their citizens to convert Euros to Drachmas, or whatever, and they paying the Germans with the confiscated Euros? I seemed so elegant a solution.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 29, 2015 05:12 PM (evdj2)

27 We were living in Italy when the shift took place.

Good times...
Good times

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 29, 2015 05:12 PM (VPLuQ)

28 It seemed.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 29, 2015 05:12 PM (evdj2)

29
Personally, I do not care what happens in Europe, but just want them to Do Something, Already.

Shit or get off the pot, EU. Fix it or tell Greece to screw.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 29, 2015 05:12 PM (ZbU4g)

30 Wise-men as in Jews?

or Wise-men as in Wise Guys, as in mobsters?

Only one of the Three Wise Men was also a wise guy. Scribes in the Middle Ages are responsible for the change to "myrrh" from the original "rubber dogshit."

Posted by: Soledad O'Brien's Earpiece at July 29, 2015 05:12 PM (8ZskC)

31 23
I say again: the wise man does immediately what the fool does eventually.

Posted by: Jay Guevara

That's very deep, grasshopper.

Posted by: pep at July 29, 2015 05:12 PM (LAe3v)

32 I guess provided that the Greeks have more Euros in circulation than they have debt.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 29, 2015 05:12 PM (evdj2)

33 It's almost as if some peoples aren't up to running their own affairs for shit, and would be better off if someone else did so.

Crazy talk, I know.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 29, 2015 05:13 PM (oKE6c)

34 The Europeans should follow the wisdom of their Muslim immigrants: a well-known Middle-Eastern aphorism says "A caravan is only as fast as its slowest camel."

A corollary to that for the Euro zone would be,

"A currency union is only as strong as its weakest economy."

THe Euro has not just one but at least four weak economies dragging it down (Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy). Nothing the northern Europeans could ever do will ever get their currency up to speed if their caravan has four slow camels.

Time to dissolve the Euro entirely. If they want currency unions, have a "Protestant Work Ethic Plus France" Union -- the PWEPF -- for the northern half of the continent, and another currency union, the "Lazy Tax-Cheat Alliance" -- the LTCA -- for the southern half of the continent.

Posted by: zombie at July 29, 2015 05:13 PM (jBuUi)

35
And I don't know what will eventually happen in Greece but I do know this: Soros is gonna profit from it.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 29, 2015 05:13 PM (ZbU4g)

36 So you're basically balancing the books on the backs of German exporters and the creditors who lent Greece money and will now get paid back in devalued Euros.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at July 29, 2015 05:13 PM (laMCB)

37 It's not a terrible idea. What you really want in order to maximize utility between the trinity of RGDP, employment, and price stability is a stable NGDP trend of 4-5%, and there's just no way for the ECB to produce that in Greece and Germany at the same time.

This is also good politics -- NGDP spirals elect socialists. The Great Depression led to Nazism, Communism, and FDR.

WW II and the Cold War might have been largely avoided if the world had better monetary policy during TGD.

Posted by: TallDave at July 29, 2015 05:14 PM (74ZYB)

38 Wonder when math hits this side of the ocean?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 29, 2015 05:14 PM (OLNwX)

39 Dipshits of Europe. They thought they could get everyone in on this and would be able to control the continent from Brussels. It turns out that control of Europe is in Athens.

Posted by: Buzzion at July 29, 2015 05:14 PM (z/Ubi)

40
No matter what happens regarding Greece, there'll be about a dozen or so billionaires who will end a bit richer. Everyone else? They get left holding the bag.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 29, 2015 05:15 PM (ZbU4g)

41 Scribes in the
Middle Ages are responsible for the change to "myrrh" from the original
"rubber dogshit."

Question: What is the sound of motorboating?

Posted by: Carnak the Magnificent at July 29, 2015 05:15 PM (LAe3v)

42 Stop looking at us funny, France.

Posted by: FIVE WISE GERMAN MEN at July 29, 2015 05:15 PM (YW47b)

43 Everyone else? They get left holding the bag.

Twas ever thus.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 29, 2015 05:15 PM (evdj2)

44
I guess Puerto Rico's dire debt woes were resolved because it's not in the news anymore..

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 29, 2015 05:16 PM (ZbU4g)

45 DRACHMA

Posted by: Al Sharpton at July 29, 2015 05:16 PM (Dwehj)

46 So basically everyone else in Europe wants Germany to take one for the team and screw themselves so everyone else can keep on borrowing? Am I reading that right?

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at July 29, 2015 05:16 PM (iONHu)

47 So you're basically balancing the books on the backs of German exporters and the creditors who lent Greece money and will now get paid back in devalued Euros.

*Someone* is going to take a hair cut. Right down to the scalp.

If Germany exits the euro, they get the strength of their mark back (though it's going to suck short term for everyone, and mid-to-long term for some of the export concerns), AND they get off the hook from ever having to do something like that again.

If Greece exits, Germany still has to prop up Portugal, Italy, and Spain.

It might be worth the pain of the former to avoid the catastrophes of the latter.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 29, 2015 05:17 PM (kff5f)

48 So you're basically balancing the books on the backs of German exporters
and the creditors who lent Greece money and will now get paid back in
devalued Euros.

One thing to count on, though, is that this will put paid to German war guilt.

Posted by: pep at July 29, 2015 05:17 PM (LAe3v)

49 Couldn't we have used a few billion of that gold we gave back to Iran to put Europe's financial house in order. We could have sent Iran a nice thank you note.

Posted by: Cruzinator at July 29, 2015 05:17 PM (p/8Bt)

50 Hotdamn! I may get to spend some of those old Deutschmarks that have been mouldering in the bottom of a drawer.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 29, 2015 05:17 PM (9mTYi)

51
White Supremacists use the word myrrh. Everyone knows this.

So if you say anything remotely like myrrh, you're a white supremacist.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 29, 2015 05:17 PM (ZbU4g)

52 47 The Great White ascotsman,

That would be correct sir.

Posted by: The Smiling Bandit@sven10077 at July 29, 2015 05:17 PM (/4AZU)

53 BTW while German industry would be hurt by the exchnage rate difference, German consumers would benefit.

Posted by: TallDave at July 29, 2015 05:18 PM (74ZYB)

54 One thing to count on, though, is that this will put paid to German war guilt.
Posted by: pep
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I still want a Porsche, in reparation.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 29, 2015 05:18 PM (9mTYi)

55 So basically everyone else in Europe wants Germany to take one for the team and screw themselves so everyone else can keep on borrowing? Am I reading that right?

More or less, yes. But Germany would have the benefit of *not* being the one from whom money was borrowed.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 29, 2015 05:19 PM (kff5f)

56 Wise-men as in Jews?

If they had used 5 wise joos, they wouldn't be in this mess.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 29, 2015 05:19 PM (TW49l)

57 I guess Puerto Rico's dire debt woes were resolved because it's not in the news anymore..

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 29, 2015 05:16 PM (ZbU4g)

Puerto Rico broke counts as news?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 29, 2015 05:19 PM (oKE6c)

58 Give us Alsace-Lorraine and we'll call it even.

Posted by: Germany at July 29, 2015 05:19 PM (8ZskC)

59 German war guilt.
Posted by: pep

A brilliant fresh solution to the crisis:

Put all German citizens in slave-labor camps in Greece.

They'll produce so much capital that Germany will be able to pay off its debt in just a year or two!

And if you market the scheme as a "Free Greek Vacation!" to the Germans, they'll climb in the cattle-Lufthansas voluntarily.

Posted by: zombie at July 29, 2015 05:19 PM (jBuUi)

60 Posted by: Buzzion at July 29, 2015 05:14 PM (z/Ubi)

As they say, when you owe the bank 100,000 the bank owns you. When you owe the bank 1,000,000,000 , you own the bank.

Posted by: Cruzinator at July 29, 2015 05:20 PM (p/8Bt)

61 The Greeks have good restaurants even though they pilfer cash.

The Mexicans have to go. Golflady's tacos are better.

Posted by: LIV at July 29, 2015 05:20 PM (48QDY)

62 So if you say anything remotely like myrrh, you're a white supremacist.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 29, 2015 05:17 PM (ZbU4g)

And forget about saying the "b-word:" bankrupt.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 29, 2015 05:20 PM (oKE6c)

63 They get left holding the bag.
Posted by: Soothsayer
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*wonders who will be left holding my bag *

Posted by: Bruce Jenner at July 29, 2015 05:20 PM (9mTYi)

64 LIV sock fail.

Posted by: Golfman at July 29, 2015 05:20 PM (48QDY)

65 It really is remarkable that a people as feckless and juvenile as the modern Greeks come from the same stock as the Athenians and the Spartans. The Victorians were very disappointed to find that the Greeks of the 1800s were nothing like their ancestors.

Posted by: pep at July 29, 2015 05:20 PM (LAe3v)

66 *wonders who will be left holding my bag *

Tanned, it would make an interesting tobacco poke.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 29, 2015 05:21 PM (evdj2)

67 Personally, I do not care what happens in Europe, but just want them to Do Something, Already.

Shit or get off the pot, EU. Fix it or tell Greece to screw.
Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 29, 2015 05:12 PM (ZbU4g)

Some people will make a killing out of this deal if it goes through. "Soros" like people.

Then they will use those billions to continue to screw us, regardless of how many miles away Europe is.

There is so much more behind this.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 29, 2015 05:21 PM (qCMvj)

68 I'm embarrassed I'm too stupid to understand this.

It makes me feel a bit better to know "experts" have been wrong most of the time.

Posted by: Seems Legit at July 29, 2015 05:22 PM (Xa4vS)

69 Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 29, 2015 05:19 PM (oKE6c)

But 40% FSA!!! We must make them a state.

Posted by: Golfman at July 29, 2015 05:22 PM (48QDY)

70 "So if you say anything remotely like myrrh, you're a white supremacist."

Get it right.

It's Cuckmyrrh.

I saw it on Twitter.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 29, 2015 05:22 PM (VPLuQ)

71 Tanned, it would make an interesting tobacco poke.

Or a vibrator pouch.

Posted by: Sandra Flook at July 29, 2015 05:22 PM (Dwehj)

72 Tanned, it would make an interesting tobacco poke.
Posted by: Grump
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A hell of a conversation piece.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 29, 2015 05:22 PM (9mTYi)

73 Suckers of Myrrh!

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 29, 2015 05:22 PM (evdj2)

74 Tanned, it would make an interesting tobacco poke.

I'm just going to leave this here.
http://is.gd/ex7MkN

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 29, 2015 05:22 PM (/kI1Q)

75 The Greeks have been dining out on The Acropolis for 1600 years.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 29, 2015 05:22 PM (2cS/G)

76 2600

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 29, 2015 05:23 PM (2cS/G)

77

Former Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore becomes 17th GOP candidate for president

why?

wsj

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 29, 2015 05:23 PM (qCMvj)

78 I see the Obama administration has offered to help with the Cecil the lion killing, selling aborted baby parts, not so much.

Posted by: Dr Spank at July 29, 2015 05:23 PM (YW47b)

79 I'm just going to leave this here.

Truly, the world has all the things.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 29, 2015 05:23 PM (evdj2)

80 44

I guess Puerto Rico's dire debt woes were resolved because it's not in the news anymore..

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 29, 2015 05:16 PM (ZbU4g)

They have a huge debt payment next week and no money.

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 29, 2015 05:24 PM (GpgJl)

81 Of course, the last time a group of supposedly sovereign States attempted to exit a supposedly voluntary union, a long and bloody war was the result.

So there's that to consider.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 29, 2015 05:24 PM (kff5f)

82 But 40% FSA!!! We must make them a state.

Posted by: Golfman at July 29, 2015 05:22 PM (48QDY)

Hell, we should move the capitol there. Puerto Rico symbolizes the government's fiscal policies.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 29, 2015 05:24 PM (oKE6c)

83 You all are forgetting the billions, nay trillions of sovereign credit swap derivatives owned by US banks.

If Europe goes, the flush will be felt here.

(like a spider clinging to the inside. It's not in the water but it's going with everything else regardless)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 29, 2015 05:24 PM (x3GpS)

84
Bruce Jenner's "bag" will be splayed open, his testes will be dumped out, and they'll use the skin to form his pretend vulva.

Any other questions?

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 29, 2015 05:24 PM (ZbU4g)

85 Reporter asks White House For Comment on Death of Cecil the Lion -- Twitter

Posted by: Dr Spank at July 29, 2015 05:24 PM (YW47b)

86 "I see the Obama administration has offered to help with the Cecil the lion killing, selling aborted baby parts, not so much."

Brako Bamma called Cecil's family to express his condolences.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 29, 2015 05:24 PM (VPLuQ)

87 They have a huge debt payment next week and no money.
Posted by: Vic
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The solution is obvious, statehood.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 29, 2015 05:25 PM (9mTYi)

88 They have a huge debt payment next week and no money.

Posted by: Vic - Republicans help Obama commit treason at July 29, 2015 05:24 PM (GpgJl)

I say again: and that counts as news?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 29, 2015 05:25 PM (oKE6c)

89 78
I see the Obama administration has offered to help with the Cecil the lion killing, selling aborted baby parts, not so much.

Posted by: Dr Spank

Jeebus, they really can't help themselves. What a tool bag.

Posted by: pep at July 29, 2015 05:25 PM (LAe3v)

90 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 29, 2015 05:24 PM (kff5f)

Who's gonna fight for Europe? Us?

Posted by: Golfman at July 29, 2015 05:25 PM (48QDY)

91 Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 29, 2015 05:22 PM (/kI1Q)

O_O

Only the Aussies.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 29, 2015 05:25 PM (kff5f)

92 #CecilRIP

Posted by: Jen Psocki at July 29, 2015 05:25 PM (Dwehj)

93 They have a huge debt payment next week and no money.

Are IOUs valid if they're in Spanish?

Posted by: Puerto Rico at July 29, 2015 05:25 PM (8ZskC)

94 I see the Obama administration has offered to help with the Cecil the lion killing

He's dead, Jim.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 29, 2015 05:25 PM (evdj2)

95 We already have a benchmark to the Euro. It's called the Dollar.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 29, 2015 05:26 PM (k2fxD)

96 Any other questions?
Posted by: Soothsayer
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Um..., say..., are you going throw those testes out?

Posted by: Body part buyer at July 29, 2015 05:26 PM (9mTYi)

97 81
Of course, the last time a group of supposedly sovereign States
attempted to exit a supposedly voluntary union, a long and bloody war
was the result.

Antietam, I don't think we're in Kansas anymore.

Posted by: pep at July 29, 2015 05:26 PM (LAe3v)

98 Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 29, 2015 05:24 PM (oKE6c)

Not much different than DC. Weather's better.

Uh-oh.

Posted by: Golfman at July 29, 2015 05:26 PM (48QDY)

99
Just so we're clear, the "bad" word is cuck, not -servative, right?

Or is -servative gonna be racist next week, too?

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 29, 2015 05:26 PM (ZbU4g)

100 Reporter asks White House For Comment on Death of Cecil the Lion -- Twitter

"Some folks on the Right say, 'just kill all the lions.'" I support a more moderate course.

Posted by: Prez'nit Shit Midas at July 29, 2015 05:27 PM (8ZskC)

101 Only undifferentiated tissue mass "parts" accepted.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 29, 2015 05:28 PM (x3GpS)

102 Who's gonna fight for Europe? Us?

Posted by: Golfman at July 29, 2015 05:25 PM (48QDY)

If we're paid enough.

But, no, I'm just saying that in the realm of possibilities of *any* country attempting to leave the EU is "long and bloody war."

If Germany attempts to exit, that's going to spell financial disaster for much of the rest of Europe. The rest of Europe might object to such a thing in very forceful terms.

If Greece attempts to exit - especially if they then cry "default!" that's going to spell financial disaster for Germany. Germany might object to such a thing in very forceful terms.

Not that such *will* happen, but those *are* in the realm of the possible.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 29, 2015 05:28 PM (kff5f)

103
As soon as obama realized he could make political hay out of Cecil, he jumped right in?

A Republican donor from Minnesota! obama must've squirted a little when he heard the news.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 29, 2015 05:28 PM (ZbU4g)

104 Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 29, 2015 05:25 PM (oKE6c)

At least it's not about a Kardashian or a fvcking lion.

[If you have a moment sometime today, shoot me an e-mail. nynjmeet at optimum dot net]

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 29, 2015 05:28 PM (k2fxD)

105 I'm just going to leave this here.
Truly, the world has all the things.

Meh. Texas has had Longhorn Bull Scrotum purses for years.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 29, 2015 05:29 PM (TW49l)

106 German Cuck Cuck Clock.

Posted by: Cruzinator at July 29, 2015 05:29 PM (p/8Bt)

107
The British news is calling the lion Sess-il. But the American news is calling him See-sill.

I say See-sill.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 29, 2015 05:29 PM (ZbU4g)

108 We already have a benchmark to the Euro. It's called the Dollar.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 29, 2015 05:26 PM (k2fxD)

yea, we have control, but who knows for how long

that is one way we can stay on top

you can see the Canada v USA currency relationship quite vividly -- we pretty much control its ups and downs (not just with currency control, but also import/export and jobs control)

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 29, 2015 05:30 PM (qCMvj)

109 He saw Ce cil down by the Sea side.

And shot him.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 29, 2015 05:30 PM (x3GpS)

110 At some point, the Germans have got to say "screw this, we had it right the first time, we were just 75 years early".

Posted by: pep at July 29, 2015 05:30 PM (LAe3v)

111 Where is aussie? What did you guys do to her to scare her off???

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 29, 2015 05:30 PM (iQIUe)

112 Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 29, 2015 05:22 PM (/kI1Q)

I bought a kangaroo change purse in 1989....still have it, and it still amuses the hell out of me every time I see it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 29, 2015 05:30 PM (k2fxD)

113 #allLionsGoToMotherGaia

Posted by: Jen Psocki at July 29, 2015 05:31 PM (Dwehj)

114 She lost her grip with her toes and fell off the Earth.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 29, 2015 05:31 PM (x3GpS)

115 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 29, 2015 05:28 PM (kff5f)

Roger.

Just snarking.

Posted by: Golfman at July 29, 2015 05:31 PM (48QDY)

116 I bought a kangaroo change purse in 1989....still have it, and it still amuses the hell out of me every time I see it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Yeah, it's a real scream.

Posted by: Soprano Kangaroo at July 29, 2015 05:31 PM (LAe3v)

117 I say See-sill.
Posted by: Sooth
---------

Provincial.
You probably also pronounce 'perspex', 'plexiglass'.

Posted by: Body part buyer at July 29, 2015 05:31 PM (9mTYi)

118 We had Europe, but we gave it away. As a strategic and economic offshoot, Europe was invaluable to the U.S. But we flushed that all down the toilet by "balancing the budget by abandoning European military bases", as the clueless set used to put it. We're an Empire, dontcha know?

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 29, 2015 05:31 PM (2cS/G)

119
Germany should just go to their own currency. Every country should. Including the USA getting away from Fed dollars to Treasury dollars.

The EU never should have went common currency, but common regulation (meaning standardizing electricity, plumbing, safety, signs, immigration etc) would be smart.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 29, 2015 05:31 PM (ODxAs)

120 The lion was so old it was born in Rhodesia, as the nation was then known.

Rhodesia was a "racist state."

Therefore, the dentist was doing his part to stamp out racism!

Why is that considered wrong?

Posted by: zombie at July 29, 2015 05:31 PM (jBuUi)

121 Cecil the lion deserved better, he never harmed anyone unlike those cruel conservatives in my own party.

*runs off crying/farting*

Posted by: John Boehner at July 29, 2015 05:32 PM (YW47b)

122 The EU never should have went common currency, but
common regulation (meaning standardizing electricity, plumbing, safety,
signs, immigration etc) would be smart.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk

You aren't advocating for metric, are you? That gets some folks here all riled up.

Posted by: pep at July 29, 2015 05:33 PM (LAe3v)

123
Here kitty, kitty, kitty....
*blam!*

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 29, 2015 05:33 PM (9mTYi)

124 In Room With a View it was Cess-cil.

I always get a kick out of the name St. John. First, b/c they would name someone St. John, and two, b/c they pronounce it Sin-Gen.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 29, 2015 05:33 PM (iQIUe)

125 you can see the Canada v USA currency relationship quite vividly -- we pretty much control its ups and downs (not just with currency control, but also import/export and jobs control)

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 29, 2015 05:30 PM (qCMvj)

___________

Uhm....hello??? What about me

Posted by: Interest Rate Manipulation at July 29, 2015 05:33 PM (0LHZx)

126 *sticks head in*

O/T, but has anyone noted yet that Rep. Chaka ~~Khan~~ Fatah has been indicted on multiple corruption charges?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 29, 2015 05:34 PM (QiBX8)

127 Recently saw a photograph of a lion with some of his gal pals. They were huge. Really really huge, especially the stud.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 29, 2015 05:34 PM (iQIUe)

128 The rest of Europe might object to such a thing in very forceful terms.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 29, 2015 05:28 PM (kff5f)

How? Cutting remarks at the United Nations?

The German army sucks compared to what it was 10 years ago, but compared to everyone else to their West?

Eventually we might see a central European union. Germany, Poland, a few Baltic states....you know, the grownups in Europe.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 29, 2015 05:34 PM (k2fxD)

129 We're an Empire, dontcha know?
_____________

A great empire and small minds go ill together.

Posted by: Edmund Burke at July 29, 2015 05:35 PM (1M0+8)

130 The EU never should have went common currency
-----------
Considering the huge differences in their respective economies and governments, it was a failure just waiting to happen.
About the only thing left to do is get some popcorn, sit back and enjoy the gnashing of teeth and the rending of garments.

Posted by: Old Blue at July 29, 2015 05:35 PM (9iR5/)

131 Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 29, 2015 05:33 PM (iQIUe)

Wha?

Posted by: Sin Jin Smythe at July 29, 2015 05:35 PM (QxVz/)

132 CHAKA KHAN, CHAKA KHAN

Posted by: Al Sharpton at July 29, 2015 05:35 PM (Dwehj)

133 "O/T, but has anyone noted yet that Rep. Chaka Khan Fatah has been indicted on multiple corruption charges?"

I'm looking forward to a couple of rounds of Guess That Party in the snooze media's scanty coverage of same.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 29, 2015 05:35 PM (noWW6)

134 I bet the White House is already planning to put flags at half staff for the rest of the week. Priorities.

Posted by: Buzzion at July 29, 2015 05:35 PM (z/Ubi)

135 St. John, and two, b/c they pronounce it Sin-Gen.
Posted by: Bruce
-----------------------

One of my ancients was named Electa St. John.
I wish I had met her.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 29, 2015 05:35 PM (9mTYi)

136 Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 29, 2015 05:22 PM (/kI1Q)

I'm not going to ask how you knew about these particular bottle openers.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at July 29, 2015 05:36 PM (OLNwX)

137 Not that I like big game hunting or killing for sake of killing, but those that are butthurt because of the 'cruelty and slow death' suffered by Cecil the Lion might want to take a look at what Cecil's fellow lions do everyday to other animals.

Posted by: Cruzinator at July 29, 2015 05:36 PM (p/8Bt)

138 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 29, 2015 05:34 PM (QiBX

Never heard of him.

Posted by: MFM at July 29, 2015 05:36 PM (QxVz/)

139 Former Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore becomes 17th GOP candidate for president

why?

wsj
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 29, 2015 05:23 PM (qCMvj)

___________

New book about to be published would be my guess.

Posted by: Interest Rate Manipulation at July 29, 2015 05:36 PM (0LHZx)

140

bloomberg agrees with this...

jpost agrees with this...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 29, 2015 05:37 PM (qCMvj)

141 The regulation of industry by the EU is the worst part of it. You've made a certain kind of niche cheese for three centuries in your Village? Fuck you, pasteurize that shit. Oh, now nobody wants it because it tastes like Kraft slices? Fuck you, you're out of business.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 29, 2015 05:37 PM (2cS/G)

142 #black&whitelivesmatter

Posted by: zebra widow at July 29, 2015 05:37 PM (kivUY)

143 At least it's not ... a fvcking lion.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 29, 2015 05:28 PM (k2fxD)

Wait, you people are working on LIONS now?

Posted by: The Chicken and the Toaster at July 29, 2015 05:37 PM (vgIRn)

144 The other upside is that all the euro denominated debt that pretty much only Germany has backed will be worth so much less in DM. Sounds like a way to just put the German worker in the barrel. Hard work, forward thinking, and sacrifice will be rewar....no penalized.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at July 29, 2015 05:38 PM (f+6Pd)

145 BREAKING: US official: Debris in photo belongs to same type of aircraft as the missing Malaysia plane

Posted by: Dr Spank at July 29, 2015 05:38 PM (YW47b)

146 If I were kiiiiiinnng of the forrrrrrrrest!1!

Posted by: Al Sharpton at July 29, 2015 05:38 PM (Dwehj)

147 Stop the presses!

An orthodontist from Poughkeepsie has killed a meerket with a boomerang!

It's lynch-mob time, baby!

Posted by: zombie at July 29, 2015 05:38 PM (jBuUi)

148 St. John, and two, b/c they pronounce it Sin-Gen

That was a joke in one of the lesser Roger Moore Bond movies (Never Say Never Again). He met a young Rowan Atkinson as Nigel Small-Fawcett.

Posted by: pep at July 29, 2015 05:39 PM (LAe3v)

149

Well, we're going "euro" tonight for dinner.

Pastuccia.

Should find an Italian wine to go with it.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 29, 2015 05:39 PM (qCMvj)

150 One thing to count on, though, is that this will put paid to German war guilt.

Posted by: pep at July 29, 2015 05:17 PM (LAe3v)

Hah. Just like that Barack Obama presidency began the racial healing? No, they will continue returning to that well, for at least until 2090 (or until WWIII), if our current situation is any indication.

Posted by: Mabe Galor at July 29, 2015 05:39 PM (Vf5rR)

151 Funny how nobody ever mentions immigration as part of the reason Europe is in the shitstorm it is. It's not like tens of millions of illiterate Africans and Arabs on welfare cost money or nothin'. Nah, that's racist thinking on my part. Never mind.

Posted by: Interest Rate Manipulation at July 29, 2015 05:39 PM (0LHZx)

152 Wait, you people are working on LIONS now?

Posted by: The Chicken and the Toaster at July 29, 2015 05:37 PM

Be afraid, bitchez. Be very afraid. The safari ends next week....

Posted by: Lion Fcukers at July 29, 2015 05:39 PM (QiBX8)

153 #black&whitelivesmatter
Posted by: zebra
--------------

Boy, you've stepped in it now.

Wait..., did I say 'boy'? I didn't mean anything by it..., it's just an expression.

*hisses, boos, shouts of "racists!" *

Posted by: Martin O'Malley at July 29, 2015 05:40 PM (9mTYi)

154 145
BREAKING: US official: Debris in photo belongs to same type of aircraft as the missing Malaysia plane
----------
Dr. Spank, they are also speculating that it may have come from one of two other different airline crashes in that same area. They won't know for sure until the Boeing reps get there.

Posted by: Old Blue at July 29, 2015 05:40 PM (9iR5/)

155 I'm looking forward to a couple of rounds of Guess That Party in the snooze media's scanty coverage of same.

Je was already outed as a D in the media. per last thread. Or two threads ago. That's how you know he is toast.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 29, 2015 05:40 PM (TW49l)

156
One of my ancients was named Electa St. John.
I wish I had met her.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 29, 2015 05:35 PM (9mTYi)
=========
Never heard a last name pronounced Sin Jin - just the first. I have no idea why they would make a distinction.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 29, 2015 05:40 PM (iQIUe)

157 Economists are going to say whatever the Ruling Class tells them to say if they expect to retain their government salaries.

Nobody pays any attention to what most Ruling Class economists say. They are the Gabriel Malors of the social sciences.

Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at July 29, 2015 05:41 PM (3L7fF)

158

I wonder if the billions of Deutsche Mark hoarded years ago will be any good. Same ole recycled, I suppose.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 29, 2015 05:41 PM (qCMvj)

159 Isn't the Greek money denomination called the Cuck?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 29, 2015 05:41 PM (oFCZn)

160 Hah. Just like that Barack Obama presidency began
the racial healing? No, they will continue returning to that well, for
at least until 2090 (or until WWIII), if our current situation is any
indication.

Posted by: Mabe Galor

THEY may try (I assume you're talking about those trying to get some marks from the Krauts), but the Germans aren't buying it anymore.

Posted by: pep at July 29, 2015 05:41 PM (LAe3v)

161 Posted by: Interest Rate Manipulation at July 29, 2015 05:39 PM (0LHZx)

Bingo. IRM.

Posted by: Golfman at July 29, 2015 05:42 PM (QxVz/)

162 cuckma

Posted by: Al Sharpton at July 29, 2015 05:42 PM (Dwehj)

163 Kick all the race-traitors out of the Euro! Let the Cuckxit begin!

Posted by: zombie at July 29, 2015 05:42 PM (jBuUi)

164 top the presses!

An orthodontist from Poughkeepsie has killed a meerket with a boomerang!

It's lynch-mob time, baby!
Posted by: zombie at July 29, 2015 05:38 PM

I heard it was a retainer. That's not only legal, but fcuking epic. Give the story 24 hours before we get all riled up.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 29, 2015 05:42 PM (QiBX8)

165 "I'm looking forward to a couple of rounds of Guess That Party in the snooze media's scanty coverage of same."'

That's why this is odd

" Prosecutors charged Rep. Chaka Fattah, D-Pa., Wednesday in a 29-count indictment with racketeering conspiracy, bribery and wire fraud as part of a probe into the 11-term congressman launched by the FBI and IRS in March 2013."

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 29, 2015 05:42 PM (VPLuQ)

166 "I may get to spend some of those old Deutschmarks that have been mouldering in the bottom of a drawer."

True fact: of all of the EMU states who converted from their home currencies to the Euro, Germany had the lowest rate of actual conversion, where people brought in their deutschmarks to the bank to be given the euro equivalent.

This despite being told that the DM would cease to be legal tender and would just be paper afterwards. The Germans still stubbornly hung on to them.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 29, 2015 05:42 PM (noWW6)

167
I thought Never Say Never Again was Sean Connery's return and last Bond film??

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 29, 2015 05:42 PM (ZbU4g)

168 I wonder if the billions of Deutsche Mark hoarded years ago will be any good. Same ole recycled, I suppose.
Posted by: artisanal
---------------

Not a chance.

Posted by: Martin O'Malley at July 29, 2015 05:42 PM (9mTYi)

169 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 29, 2015 05:41 PM (qCMvj)

Useful for starting a fire or lighting your cigar.

Posted by: Golfman at July 29, 2015 05:43 PM (QxVz/)

170

This idea of a Gerxit, rather than a Grexit, is not new. It stretches at least to 2012, when US business magnet George Soros penned a blog post about what a German exit would look like, and why it would be beneficial: Germany would get its own, stronger currency, and countries with weaker economies would be able to reconcile their debt with a much-weakened euro. Germans would be richer, southern Europeans would have a chance to be less poor.

The devil is in the details.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 29, 2015 05:43 PM (qCMvj)

171
Holy cats, Sean Connery, the best 007, will be 85 in 4 weeks!

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 29, 2015 05:43 PM (ZbU4g)

172 That Confederate money is accruing in value.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 29, 2015 05:43 PM (x3GpS)

173 Cecil was maimed with a crossbow, morons. Booyah!

Posted by: Fritz at July 29, 2015 05:44 PM (UzPAd)

174 I thought Never Say Never Again was Sean Connery's return and last Bond film??

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists

You are correct. My mistake.

Posted by: pep at July 29, 2015 05:44 PM (LAe3v)

175 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 29, 2015 05:41 PM (qCMvj)

Useful for starting a fire or lighting your cigar.
Posted by: Golfman at July 29, 2015 05:43 PM (QxVz/)

Like the high roller Dinar.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 29, 2015 05:44 PM (qCMvj)

176 "I'm looking forward to a couple of rounds of Guess That Party in the snooze media's scanty coverage of same."'

That's why this is odd

" Prosecutors charged Rep. Chaka Fattah, D-Pa., Wednesday in a
29-count indictment with racketeering conspiracy, bribery and wire fraud
as part of a probe into the 11-term congressman launched by the FBI and
IRS in March 2013."
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 29, 2015 05:42 PM

So...has he been opposing the regime on anything important lately?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 29, 2015 05:45 PM (QiBX8)

177 171

Holy cats, Sean Connery, the best 007, will be 85 in 4 weeks!

BTW, I'm not so sure Sir Sean's crown is all that secure. IMO Daniel Craig's giving him a real run for his money.

Posted by: pep at July 29, 2015 05:45 PM (LAe3v)

178
AoS rule #2: Never admit you're wrong. It's a sign of weakness.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 29, 2015 05:46 PM (ZbU4g)

179 Chaka Fattah was a big music star in the 1980s.

She hasn't done much since then though.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 29, 2015 05:46 PM (oFCZn)

180 Holy cats, Sean Connery, the best 007, will be 85 in 4 weeks!

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 29, 2015 05:43 PM

And I'll be celebrating by shagging your mother silly, Trebek!

Posted by: Sean Connery at July 29, 2015 05:46 PM (QiBX8)

181

a probe into the 11-term congressman launched by the FBI and
IRS in March 2013."
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice

Sometimes, they are just so dumb they have to be caught to stop the embarrassment.

Posted by: imp at July 29, 2015 05:46 PM (XIXZz)

182
I didn't really mean regulation, I meant standardization of stuff that everybody uses.

Anyway, once you go metric, you're gonna go peptic.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 29, 2015 05:47 PM (ODxAs)

183
You find Daniel Craig a likable Bond?

I find him capable of the role, but he's hard to like. Brosnan was impossible to like, but for totally different reasons.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 29, 2015 05:47 PM (ZbU4g)

184 174
I thought Never Say Never Again was Sean Connery's return and last Bond film??

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists

You are correct. My mistake.

Posted by: pep

178

AoS rule #2: Never admit you're wrong. It's a sign of weakness.

By correct, I mean you're a blithering knob.

Posted by: pep at July 29, 2015 05:47 PM (LAe3v)

185 I thought I was the best Bond?

(I don't know what they were thinking in casting me as Bond for my first role evah)

Posted by: George Lazenby at July 29, 2015 05:48 PM (HstNY)

186 I once met a high level EU bureaucrat from Belgium. I asked her if there would ever be a day when Finland, Germany, the Netherlands and possibly France would consider creating a bifurcated Euro that would essentially allow the southern EU states to inflate and the northern EU states to retain stability. Both Euro currencies would be backed by the ECB but interchanged at different rates.

She nearly passed out sputtering about how this was unthinkable. If you think the elites in this country live in a bubble of delusion go talk to some of the people who run Europe. They'll wait about 100 years beyond the bitter end before they let their authoritarian dreams of "One Europe, Under Brussels" slip away.

This ends with Greece, Portugal, Spain and probably Italy on fire. The real question we should be asking is: are we ready for millions of European refugees arriving on our shores, again?

Posted by: Irish Mike at July 29, 2015 05:48 PM (ep6+F)

187
A mea culpa plus an insult?

Eh, I guess that'll work.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 29, 2015 05:48 PM (ZbU4g)

188 You find Daniel Craig a likable Bond?

I find him capable of the role, but he's hard to like. Brosnan was impossible to like, but for totally different reasons.

I don't want to date the guy. He has a certain menacing quality that Connery also had, and I think that's a requirement for the role.

Posted by: pep at July 29, 2015 05:49 PM (LAe3v)

189 ou can see the Canada v USA currency relationship quite vividly -- we pretty much control its ups and downs (not just with currency control, but also import/export and jobs control)

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 29, 2015 05:30 PM (qCMvj)

___________

Uhm....hello??? What about me
Posted by: Interest Rate Manipulation at July 29, 2015 05:33 PM (0LHZx)

well, yea, and duty fees

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 29, 2015 05:49 PM (qCMvj)

190 Sure it's sad, but it was Cecil's time.

Posted by: The Hyenas at July 29, 2015 05:49 PM (8ZskC)

191 Like most on this smart military blog, I have to admit my ignorance of most economics. I know that China, and I believe Russia, have been pushing to ditch the dollar as the worlds reserve currency, but just what the hell would they replace it with? The yaun? China has been devaluing that for years to screw with the US economy. They can't use the ruble, they just had a run on the ruble not that long ago. And the Euro is in serious deep doo doo from the sound of it.
How about shiny rocks? At least, if worst comes to worst, you can load them into a slingshot and shoot them at politicians.

Posted by: Old Blue at July 29, 2015 05:50 PM (9iR5/)

192 I'm not gonna bother Binging it but I'm pretty sure Connery doesn't have a knighthood or similar honour.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 29, 2015 05:51 PM (kivUY)

193 The lion was so old it was born in Rhodesia, as the nation was then known.

Ah, the beautiful and prosperous Zimbabwe, with that great leader for life
Robert Mugabe.. Does the lion have birth certificate or was one waiting in Hawaii.

Posted by: Colin at July 29, 2015 05:51 PM (pU8wz)

194
Sean Connery had charm, which made him mad cool as 007 because...chicks.

Roger Moore literally oozed charm, which was nice.

Daniel Craig is a bit of a grump. Brosnan was so awful as Bond because he was pretty and sniveling.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 29, 2015 05:51 PM (ZbU4g)

195 190
Sure it's sad, but it was Cecil's time.

Posted by: The Hyenas

Yeah, not feeling a lot of sadz over here.

Posted by: Wildebeests at July 29, 2015 05:51 PM (LAe3v)

196 AP is tweeting that the found aircraft part appears to be from the same type aircraft as the missing Maylasian aircraft.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 29, 2015 05:52 PM (VPLuQ)

197 Now white folks are killing our unarmed lions -- President Obama

Posted by: Dr Spank at July 29, 2015 05:52 PM (YW47b)

198
This dentist in Minnesota can make it all better if he goes back to Africa and kills a hundred monkeys.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 29, 2015 05:53 PM (ZbU4g)

199
192
I'm not gonna bother Binging it but I'm pretty sure Connery doesn't have a knighthood or similar honour.

Posted by: andycanuck

On that you would be wrong.

Posted by: pep at July 29, 2015 05:53 PM (LAe3v)

200 192
I'm not gonna bother Binging it but I'm pretty sure Connery doesn't have a knighthood or similar honour.
---------
But as 007, he does have a license to kill. That right there should be worth something.

Posted by: Old Blue at July 29, 2015 05:54 PM (9iR5/)

201 Posted by: George Lazenby at July 29, 2015 05:48 PM (HstNY)

Piker.

Posted by: Brian Williams at July 29, 2015 05:54 PM (QxVz/)

202 Link to aircraft part story
http://bigstory.ap.org/node/11915671

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 29, 2015 05:55 PM (VPLuQ)

203 "Circle of Life" my ass. They're just promoting a predator-centric ideology that's designed to justify the fact that they intend to eat us.

Posted by: A Zebra at July 29, 2015 05:55 PM (8ZskC)

204 On that you would be wrong.

Posted by: pep

I don't just make that assertion blindly, but since Pixy won't allow me to cut and paste, please take my word for it.

Posted by: pep at July 29, 2015 05:56 PM (LAe3v)

205 It looks like you're right, you blithering knob.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 29, 2015 05:56 PM (kivUY)

206 If I had a lion, he would have looked a lot like Cecil.

Posted by: Prez'nit Shit Midas at July 29, 2015 05:56 PM (8ZskC)

207
Atta boy!

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 29, 2015 05:57 PM (ZbU4g)

208 Now CNN can run with the airplane story for a week at least. It might get them off finding every little tidbit about Trump they can find.

Posted by: Colin at July 29, 2015 05:57 PM (pU8wz)

209 *clears throat*

I am not Tweeting anything about any missing airplane....

That is all.

Climb Mount Tacoma.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 29, 2015 05:57 PM (7Eo8i)

210 Whoo hoo! First order of a dozen 1 oz silver rounds from APMEX arrived. That's like two pounds of silver!

Posted by: rickb223 at July 29, 2015 05:58 PM (TW49l)

211 Climb Mount Tacoma.
-----------
East wind - Rain

Posted by: Old Blue at July 29, 2015 05:58 PM (9iR5/)

212 He has a certain menacing quality that Connery also had, and I think that's a requirement for the role.
Posted by: pep at July 29, 2015 05:49 PM (LAe3v)

That's the thing. Bond is a killer. A stone-cold killer. Connery was able to pull it off with charm. Craig lacks the charm, but gets the "rip off your head and have intimate relations with your neck" part.

The others were pretty boys who couldn't beat a schoolyard bully.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at July 29, 2015 05:58 PM (vgIRn)

213 197
Now white folks are killing our unarmed lions -- President Obama

Posted by: Dr Spank at July 29, 2015 05:52 PM (YW47b)

If I had son, he'd be lyin'.

Posted by: Bronco Bama at July 29, 2015 05:58 PM (Vf5rR)

214
This Cecil is becoming such a pain in the ass, I want to put an arrow in his carcass.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 29, 2015 05:58 PM (ODxAs)

215 209
*clears throat*

I am not Tweeting anything about any missing airplane....

That is all.

Climb Mount Tacoma.

Posted by: Anna Puma

Toga, toga, toga!

Posted by: pep at July 29, 2015 05:58 PM (LAe3v)

216 Posted by: Old Blue at July 29, 2015 05:54 PM (9iR5/)

Oh yeah. A knight over there as well as at Casa de golf.

Jeez, if Sting can be one...

Posted by: Brian Williams at July 29, 2015 05:59 PM (48QDY)

217 Most of my German friends still have a bowl/jar filled with pre-Euro pfenning and DM coins. They didn't cash them in, even though a lot of German coins are the equivalent of a five or ten dollar bill in the US. I only have a handful in some drawer somewhere, but I'll gladly fly over to spend them if Germany kills the diseased beast that is the EU.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 29, 2015 05:59 PM (2cS/G)

218 "A permanently unco-operative member state should not be able to threaten the existence of the euro,"

LOL.

Better that reason and harsh reality threaten the piece of shit currency ...which was only set up to attack the US dollar, to begin with.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 29, 2015 06:00 PM (MYSVz)

219 78 I see the Obama administration has offered to help with the Cecil the lion killing, selling aborted baby parts, not so much.
Posted by: Dr Spank at July 29, 2015 05:23 PM (YW47b)

Excuse me while I go scream.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at July 29, 2015 06:00 PM (KkVB6)

220 Double sock fail.

*time to leave the porch.

Posted by: Golfman at July 29, 2015 06:01 PM (48QDY)

221 Posted by: Bronco Bama at July 29, 2015 05:58 PM (Vf5rR)

Next!!!

Posted by: Golfman at July 29, 2015 06:01 PM (48QDY)

222 217
Most of my German friends still have a bowl/jar filled with pre-Euro
pfenning and DM coins. They didn't cash them in, even though a lot of
German coins are the equivalent of a five or ten dollar bill in the US. I
only have a handful in some drawer somewhere, but I'll gladly fly over
to spend them if Germany kills the diseased beast that is the EU.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 29, 2015 05:59 PM (2cS/G)

We had a bunch of Reichsmarks we found hidden in a glass jar in the ground/rubble when we were stationed over there. Sadly, we sold them for silver content once we returned to the states.

Posted by: rebel flounder at July 29, 2015 06:02 PM (Vf5rR)

223
Most of my German friends still have a bowl/jar filled with pre-Euro
pfenning and DM coins. They didn't cash them in, even though a lot of
German coins are the equivalent of a five or ten dollar bill in the US. I
only have a handful in some drawer somewhere, but I'll gladly fly over
to spend them if Germany kills the diseased beast that is the EU.

Reichsmarks are probably even more valuable, with it's historic value.

Posted by: Colin at July 29, 2015 06:02 PM (pU8wz)

224 And then I'm going to leave this here.
http://is.gd/lMzNcv

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 29, 2015 06:03 PM (/kI1Q)

225 >>I see the Obama administration has offered to help with the Cecil the lion killing...

Please tell me you're joking

Posted by: Lizzy at July 29, 2015 06:04 PM (NOIQH)

226 RM's were sold in antique stores by the time I got there. I bought a few historical souvenirs, but no Reichsmarks. I think many of them were hidden/destroyed/recycled after the unpleasantness.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 29, 2015 06:04 PM (2cS/G)

227 I see the Obama administration has offered to help with the Cecil the lion killing.

We can rebuild him. We have the technology.

Posted by: Prez'nit Shit Midas at July 29, 2015 06:06 PM (8ZskC)

228 #BringBackOurCecil

Posted by: Michelle Obama at July 29, 2015 06:06 PM (HstNY)

229 Some of you may be interested in the intrigue going on within the Commie (Syriza) government. The ex-FinMin, Varafoukis(sp?) is now facing possible treason charges.

He was on the sly, setting up "in extremis" measures for a Grexit and reintroduction of the drachma (or equivalent), and he claims he had Tspiras's support. Tspiras folded to the EU, and threw Varafoukis out to dry, apparently, firing him.

He had a group hacking into the financial system, ready to switch over to the new drachma at a moments notice without anyone much knowing.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at July 29, 2015 06:06 PM (dvuhZ)

230 Cecil Lives Matter!

Posted by: Colin at July 29, 2015 06:07 PM (pU8wz)

231 Of course this is all true.

But Germany funds the transfer union via the ECB and the Commission. A lot of spending programs and eurocrat jobs are at stake. Besides, Merkel is a federalist. She wants to be Mother Europe.

She won't leave. Germans might, but they'd have to get past her.

Posted by: Feh at July 29, 2015 06:07 PM (Uk9e2)

232 I don't know if the Zero Admin is offering to help or if it's this Dum Rep. demanding a U.S. investigation. (Sock link.)

Posted by: andycanuck at July 29, 2015 06:08 PM (kivUY)

233 Cecil Lives Matter!
Posted by: Colin at July 29, 2015 06:07 PM (pU8wz)

They're also delicious roasted with some preserved lemons and ras-al-hanout.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 29, 2015 06:08 PM (V+kmg)

234 Knowing the lions' preference for red meat, the Spamalopes remained calm but wary.

Posted by: Moron in a Leopard Snuggie at July 29, 2015 06:08 PM (Ui7Rt)

235 >>And then I'm going to leave this here.
http://is.gd/lMzNcv

That's just creepy what the drone was doing - up to no good, I bet.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 29, 2015 06:09 PM (NOIQH)

236 after the unpleasantness.
I think you mean the War of French Complaisance.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 29, 2015 06:10 PM (kivUY)

237
What the hell?

A "starter house" outside Boston is $400K, and that's a lousy house. Houses are ridiculous around here. A million dollars??

It makes no sense.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 29, 2015 06:10 PM (ZbU4g)

238
The other lions have quizzical looks on their faces wondering why the hyenas are laughing.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 29, 2015 06:10 PM (ODxAs)

239 The idea of the EU (EC as it was originally) was to make the Euros interdependent on each other so they'd stop fighting every 20 years. That was a good idea.
Greece and Germany sharing a currency....bad idea....very very very bad idea.

Posted by: HUCK / AKIN 2016 at July 29, 2015 06:10 PM (0LHZx)

240 I see the Obama administration has offered to help with the Cecil the lion killing...

Please tell me you're joking

Posted by: Lizzy

I doubt it. It is standard LIV pop-politics. It scored silly points with people to be "concerned" about such issues.
"Oh look. Obama is such a caring human being".

He is a calculating politician, with no moral center as such.

The illegal trafficking in human tissue from aborted fetuses is not an attractive issue. It reeks of the kind of thing that appalls us about our fellow human beings. Obama won't touch that with a ten - foot speculum. He may be dumb, but he's not stupid.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at July 29, 2015 06:11 PM (RFeQD)

241 >>...or if it's this Dum Rep. demanding a U.S. investigation.

So dang tired of this knee-jerk stuff from Congressmen/women who think that they can magically legislate away bad stuff from happening. It happened in another country - let them handle it.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 29, 2015 06:11 PM (NOIQH)

242 Knowing the lions' preference for red meat,
Note to self: No Sub-Saharan African visits after winning presidency.

Posted by: liz warren at July 29, 2015 06:11 PM (kivUY)

243 Was Cecil related to Clarence the cross eyed lion?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 29, 2015 06:11 PM (W5DcG)

244 A "starter house" outside Boston is $400K, and that's a lousy house. Houses are ridiculous around here. A million dollars??

It makes no sense.
Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 29, 2015 06:10 PM (ZbU4g)

Head out to the Bay Area and I'll show you ridiculous.

I once looked at a 549 sq ft "home" in Portola Valley for $850,000

It was a shack. All you really got was the � acre.

Or you could come down to DC where the type of nondescript home I grew up in in the Bay State will be "starting from the low 700s"

Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 29, 2015 06:12 PM (V+kmg)

245
I saw Ten Foot Speculum open for Third Eye Blind at the Heroinium at the Met back in 95.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 29, 2015 06:14 PM (ODxAs)

246
Sean, back in 1999 I had the opportunity to buy a house (a fixer-upper) on Plum Island, Newburyport for $170K and I passed on it. Stupid.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 29, 2015 06:15 PM (ZbU4g)

247 Hurray, CNN has the Trump/nursing mother story back on top!

Posted by: Colin at July 29, 2015 06:15 PM (pU8wz)

248 What kept Euros from fighting each other every other generation was the U.S. troop presence. We bailed on that sound strategy because influential idiots, loudmouths and traitors demanded we do so. Alinsky'd out of global military superiority, in large part by the mewling Libertarians, who shall forever rot in hell for their ignorance and freedom-defeating stance.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 29, 2015 06:15 PM (2cS/G)

249 Or you could come down to DC where the type of
nondescript home I grew up in in the Bay State will be "starting from
the low 700s"

Posted by: Sean Bannion

The missus and I got really lucky. We bought just before big market spikes, twice. Others bought the same house as ours in our neighborhood and payed 2.5x what we did, only to watch the value shrink in 2008. I'd like to say we were smart, but it was mostly just dumb luck.

Posted by: pep at July 29, 2015 06:16 PM (LAe3v)

250 Sean, back in 1999 I had the opportunity to buy a house (a fixer-upper) on Plum Island, Newburyport for $170K and I passed on it. Stupid.
Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 29, 2015 06:15 PM (ZbU4g)

Oh man....you must be kicking yourself.

Of course, I'm still kicking myself for not fighting for the house I had on Cape Cod that I gave up in a divorce.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 29, 2015 06:16 PM (V+kmg)

251 I know, let's give everone a credit card with Germany's credit rating! Sure, of course they can make the monthly payments! The Greeks promised they would.

Angela, you want to go down in history, n'est-ce pas?

Posted by: Feh at July 29, 2015 06:16 PM (Uk9e2)

252
$200K used to buy a nice house in a nice neighborhood, only 15 years ago.

Well, maybe 18 years ago.

Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 29, 2015 06:16 PM (ZbU4g)

253 The missus and I got really lucky. We bought just before big market spikes, twice. Others bought the same house as ours in our neighborhood and payed 2.5x what we did, only to watch the value shrink in 2008. I'd like to say we were smart, but it was mostly just dumb luck.
Posted by: pep at July 29, 2015 06:16 PM (LAe3v)

I'd rather be lucky than good.

Or good looking.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 29, 2015 06:17 PM (V+kmg)

254 $200K used to buy a nice house in a nice neighborhood, only 15 years ago.

Well, maybe 18 years ago.
Posted by: Soothsayer of the Righteous And Harmonious Fists at July 29, 2015 06:16 PM (ZbU4g)

It still does.

In Texas. Or Kansas. Or Wyoming. Or Nebraska....

Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 29, 2015 06:18 PM (V+kmg)

255 How much do these eurozone socialistes fork out for defense per annum? What would happen if the US pulled all funding?

Posted by: Feh at July 29, 2015 06:19 PM (Uk9e2)

256 It still does.

In Texas. Or Kansas. Or Wyoming. Or Nebraska....

Posted by: Sean Bannion

I hear that Kabul is nice.

Posted by: pep at July 29, 2015 06:19 PM (LAe3v)

257 Germany could switch to the pound.

Posted by: gm at July 29, 2015 06:20 PM (aR++5)

258 I hear that Kabul is nice.
Posted by: pep at July 29, 2015 06:19 PM (LAe3v)

A little too ~~Muslim~~ exotic for my tastes.

YMMV

Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 29, 2015 06:20 PM (V+kmg)

259 Do Brits buy enough BMW's?

Posted by: Feh at July 29, 2015 06:21 PM (Uk9e2)

260 How much do these eurozone socialistes fork out for defense per annum?

What would happen if the US pulled all funding?

Russia would own a lot of new shit.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 29, 2015 06:21 PM (TW49l)

261 Nood computer

Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 29, 2015 06:22 PM (V+kmg)

262 "THe Euro has not just one but at least four weak economies dragging it down (Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy). Nothing the northern Europeans could ever do will ever get their currency up to speed if their caravan has four slow camels."

Zombies drink on the house!

Posted by: Paddy O'Reilly at July 29, 2015 06:24 PM (ZsN9X)

263 *looks at Hawai'ian real estate*

Well for $225k can purchase a 2 bedroom/1 bath of 827 sq ft right across the street from the Pearl City Shopping Center.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 29, 2015 06:24 PM (7Eo8i)

264 Exactly. What may be keeping the "EU" together is panic that they'd have to pay for their own defense. Hell, they have trouble just breaking even.

Posted by: Feh at July 29, 2015 06:24 PM (Uk9e2)

265 Well for $225k can purchase a 2 bedroom/1 bath of 827 sq ft right across the street from the Pearl City Shopping Center.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 29, 2015 06:24 PM (7Eo8i)

Fuckin Ha'ole.

Posted by: Some Fat Hawaiian Dude at July 29, 2015 06:28 PM (V+kmg)

266 Upthread I saw: "Dipshits of Europe."

And immediately thought...

I saw Lon Chaney walking the streets of Athens in the rain.
And his hair was perfect.
Dup!

Posted by: Lurking In The Wilderness at July 29, 2015 06:29 PM (1Y+hH)

267 no matter which way they choose to go, someone's gonna get cuckolded.

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 29, 2015 06:30 PM (RiMtm)

268 and anyone who thinks that a weaker euro will spark a manufacturing boom isn't paying attention:

between the rule setters in EU HQ, and the various labor unions, not to mention the euro-peon habit of taking August off for vacation, they aren't going to manufacture anything but moar debt.

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 29, 2015 06:36 PM (RiMtm)

269 Oh it gets better in Hawai'i, protestors are blocking delivery of telescope parts for the Daniel K. Inoue observatory.

If Ha'ole ever decides to move out, the islands will soon be back to paddling canoes and killing each other.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 29, 2015 06:39 PM (7Eo8i)

270 >>> protestors are blocking delivery of telescope parts for the Daniel K. Inoue observatory.

Gotta lava Hawaii.

Posted by: LizLem at July 29, 2015 06:58 PM (hvf9s)

271 It really is remarkable that a people as feckless and juvenile as the modern Greeks come from the same stock as the Athenians and the Spartans. The Victorians were very disappointed to find that the Greeks of the 1800s were nothing like their ancestors.

Somewhere in the interceding 2300 years, the Turks took over. The real Greeks moved to Serbia, Austria, and Hungary.

Posted by: bergerbilder at July 29, 2015 07:02 PM (+jijM)

272 What happens when the lead camel stops real fast?

Posted by: bergerbilder at July 29, 2015 07:11 PM (+jijM)

273 Germany should exit the Euro?

That would make the Deurpo completely worthless overnight, wouldn't it?

Posted by: eleven robot sex at July 29, 2015 07:20 PM (MDgS8)

274 What's it cost to hunt a Minnesota dentist?

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 29, 2015 07:46 PM (oVJmc)

275 271 It really is remarkable that a people as feckless and juvenile as the modern Greeks come from the same stock as the Athenians and the Spartans. The Victorians were very disappointed to find that the Greeks of the 1800s were nothing like their ancestors.
=========
Why wd they want them to be? Anyone ill or disabled including babies were chucked off cliffs. Young boys were used as fk toys for older men like in a British public school....oh wait.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 29, 2015 08:02 PM (iQIUe)

276 Seems the Euro ought to split into the Baltic/North Sea Euro and ClubMed Euro countries.

Those touching ClubMed are almost all fiscal train wreck. I'd include France as Club Med -- After all, there's more folks on the ClubMed side of France. Portugal is Club Med by it's warm water location and it's not touching the North Sea.

Those in the Cold water North are generally fiscally doing much better.

Let the Portless choose -- my guess is, without significant crony politicking by ClubMed, the Portless would probably choose anything but ClubMed.

Posted by: Seipherd at July 29, 2015 08:05 PM (BqxF+)

277 Democrats throw another Congressional Black Caucus member to GOP wolves to look ethical for 2016. #BlackLivesDontMeanShitToDemocrats

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at July 29, 2015 08:47 PM (hdvmj)

278 The Euro was a dumb idea from day 1. The sooner it dies, the better for most of Europe and the rest of the world. Too bad the UK was the only major country smart enough to stay out.

The idea that countries with differing fiscal policies can prosper with a common currency is insane. It depends on the nonsensical idea that a country's fiscal policies are irrelevant to what monetary policies make sense for that country, so it can share the same monetary policy with the rest of Europe.

If Greece had its own currency, its access to more credit would have dried up long before it found itself in such a deep hole. Greece's Drachma would have been severely devalued on floating exchange markets, forcing immediate self-discipline on Greek private and govt. borrowers.

I'm not sure what's the best way to unwind this twisted Euro-web, but the OP's idea of Germany returning to the Deutschmark definitely sounds like a credible start.

Posted by: gensec at July 30, 2015 05:42 AM (O+6LQ)

279 The wise men of Weimar??? I thought the Austrians were the economic brainiacs.

Posted by: Duhgee at July 30, 2015 02:41 PM (7AivX)

280 A man named "Gresham" had much to say about this, if memory serves.

Posted by: Patrick Carroll at July 31, 2015 02:03 AM (hoUpO)

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