Camille Paglia on "Snark Atheism," and How Jon Stewart Has Debased Political Discourse

Via @rdbrewer4 in the sidebar, she's on to something here.

The whole interview is worth reading, but I'll just excerpt the zestiest bits.

You're an atheist, and yet I don’t ever see you sneer at religion in the way that the very aggressive atheist class right now often will. What do you make of Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens and the religion critics who seem not to have respect for religions for faith?
I regard them as adolescents. I say in the introduction to my last book, "Glittering Images", that "Sneering at religion is juvenile, symptomatic of a stunted imagination." It exposes a state of perpetual adolescence that has something to do with their parents-- they're still sneering at dad in some way....
I’m speaking here as an atheist. I don’t believe there is a God, but I respect every religion deeply. All the great world religions contain a complex system of beliefs regarding the nature of the universe and human life that is far more profound than anything that liberalism has produced. We have a whole generation of young people who are clinging to politics and to politicized visions of sexuality for their belief system. They see nothing but politics, but politics is tiny....

But this sneering thing! I despise snark. Snark is a disease that started with David Letterman and jumped to Jon Stewart and has proliferated since. I think it's horrible for young people! And this kind of snark atheism–let's just invent that term right now–is stupid, and people who act like that are stupid....

I think Stewart’s show demonstrated the decline and vacuity of contemporary comedy. I cannot stand that smug, snarky, superior tone. I hated the fact that young people were getting their news through that filter of sophomoric snark.....
As for his influence, if he helped produce the hackneyed polarization of moral liberals versus evil conservatives, then he’s partly at fault for the political stalemate in the United States....
The resistance of liberals in the media to new ideas was enormous. Liberals think of themselves as very open-minded, but that’s simply not true! Liberalism has sadly become a knee-jerk ideology, with people barricaded in their comfortable little cells. They think that their views are the only rational ones, and everyone else is not only evil but financed by the Koch brothers. It’s so simplistic!
Now let me give you a recent example of the persisting insularity of liberal thought in the media. When the first secret Planned Parenthood video was released in mid-July, anyone who looks only at liberal media was kept totally in the dark about it, even after the second video was released. But the videos were being run nonstop all over conservative talk shows on radio and television. It was a huge and disturbing story, but there was total silence in the liberal media. That kind of censorship was shockingly unprofessional.

She argues for the liberal view of information, which is to say, we should have that information, whether it helps the right or left, and we should not suppress it, whether it helps the right or left.

That latter idea -- suppressing information based upon what politics the information might help or hurt -- is of course as illiberal and authoritarian an idea as you can have.

Paglia has an interesting mind, despite her incurable leftwing political tendencies, and interesting minds despise the make-the-world-simple-to-understand-by-censoring-any-unpleasant-or-politically-troublesome-information world we live in.

Whether the Planned Parenthood videos help or hurt the abortion lobby is quite beyond any possibly-legitimate point. It is information, and human beings, possessed of reason and moral intuitions, ought to have this information, so that they can make judgments about it.

Otherwise, we are simply cattle in one of Temple Grandin's slaughterhouses, in which the cows are led through a serpentine course which prevents them from ever seeing what's up ahead, what's happened to the cows further up in the queue.

That's fine for cows. The slaughterhouses are intended for humane treatment -- of animals.

Humans should not be subject to the "humane treatment" of a media-enforced serpentine ramp. We should know-- we should see -- what's happening to the other humans.

Posted by: Ace at 02:03 PM

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1 I like this woman. She thinks.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 29, 2015 02:02 PM (b65cm)

2 I read this a few hours ago. She is a grownup....a real grownup!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 29, 2015 02:04 PM (Zu3d9)

3 I'm still steamed about being lectured to about cuckolds.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 29, 2015 02:05 PM (evdj2)

4 Thank you Ms Paglia for saying to a wide audience what I have voiced for years. As usual, I can find little to disagree with.

Posted by: pat at July 29, 2015 02:05 PM (nwnmt)

5 Finally someone with a brain...

Posted by: donna at July 29, 2015 02:06 PM (hUdMz)

6
That kind of censorship was shockingly unprofessional.

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Well Pags.... it should shock you anymore. Its been going on since the 60's.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 29, 2015 02:06 PM (8XRCm)

7 I feel like Gabe was trying to get his support back up through some meaty posts after the whole cuckold thing

Posted by: BacktoGA at July 29, 2015 02:07 PM (nfdN9)

8 I like Paglia. She is a liberal, but not a Dem partisan. Kind of like Alan Dershowitz. I can live side by side with that.

Posted by: Benji Carver at July 29, 2015 02:07 PM (OD2ni)

9 Now I'm hungry for beef.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at July 29, 2015 02:08 PM (VAsIq)

10
She argues for the liberal view of information, which is to say, we should have that information, whether it helps the right or left, and we should not suppress it, whether it helps the right or left.

This is Part 2 of a 3 part interview at Salon. I remarked to the very smart girl who sent me yesterday's link that Paglia reminds me that I am an actual liberal and an actual feminist.

It's just that all of my illiberal but leftist friends think I'm a rabid right winger.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 29, 2015 02:08 PM (JtwS4)

11 I love this chick.

Posted by: Feh at July 29, 2015 02:08 PM (wfznB)

12 Of course, she is being demonized as a heretic in the Salon comments section.

Posted by: Benji Carver at July 29, 2015 02:08 PM (OD2ni)

13 atheism is just another religious belief.

like its cousin, "islime", it can not tolerate the existence of other religions...

except, of course, that you never hear about atheists getting butthurt over public accommodations for moose slimes: they only attack Christian Jewish targets.

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 29, 2015 02:09 PM (Vha1U)

14
Pags is the type of "progressive" I.can be..... what's that word..... tolerant of.

You can exchange ideas and debate issues without offense and respect differing points of view.

The SJW "intellectual discourse" that distills down to "You SUCK you reichwing hater" gets old. So very old.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 29, 2015 02:09 PM (8XRCm)

15 Please rotate your device.

Posted by: Buddha at July 29, 2015 02:10 PM (3CczE)

16 She is a liberal, but not a Dem partisan. Kind of like Alan Dershowitz. I can live side by side with that.

This.

Posted by: Side by side at July 29, 2015 02:10 PM (9pK6I)

17 Burn the Witch!

/liberal

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 29, 2015 02:10 PM (7x4lH)

18 Paglia is one of those people who is curious about everything, the sign of a really intelligent person who actually is really smart. And that curiosity gives her a hatred of things that aren't genuine. What point to being curious if all it's going to get you is being blasted with propaganda. Lots of very intelligent people are dumb as hell. She's very left-wing but she isn't one of those. There's no law saying that the other side can't have smart, capable people on it.

Posted by: deepelemblues at July 29, 2015 02:11 PM (LdJfm)

19 Humans should not be subject to the "humane treatment" of a media-enforced serpentine ramp. We should know-- we should see -- what's happening to the other humans.

Strangely apt.

Posted by: eleven at July 29, 2015 02:11 PM (jAuNn)

20 So, just got an ad on youtube for a movie about the 2012 attack on Benghazi....trailer shows a couple of ex-Special Forces types going in to rescue 36 Americans against orders.

Huh. Interesting timing....

Posted by: Grey Fox at July 29, 2015 02:11 PM (a42f0)

21 I love this chick.
Posted by: Feh

!
Oh, her. Carry on, then.

Posted by: the Chicken at July 29, 2015 02:12 PM (VAsIq)

22 There are non-believers, and there are anti-believers. They're not the same thing.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at July 29, 2015 02:12 PM (oVJmc)

23 I think the biggest reason for snearing snark is that the education system has completely eliminated logic from the curriculum. History class is all about liberal heros. Math class gives 80% credit for completion. English class rejects privileged concepts like subject/verb agreement.

The special snowflakes are simply hold they are right. Always. Of course they're insufferable.

Posted by: Fiona the Fetus at July 29, 2015 02:12 PM (1oZmp)

24 How can a true liberal possibly have any respect for Judaism? They murder Palestinian children just so they can have enough blood to splash around on Passover and their other "feasts." Ms. Paglia sounds like a right-wing kook to me. Like Reagan was.

Posted by: Jimmy Carter, Sanctimonious Twit at July 29, 2015 02:12 PM (UlJ3l)

25 Militant atheists have no answer to the fundamental question, "why is there something rather than nothing" but they're somehow sure that the answer excludes anything that might be deemed a creator.

Atheism (as opposed to agnosticism) demands as much of a religious leap of faith as any religious belief. Although I'm not a traditional believer, I regard anyone who is smug in their atheism as a fool.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 29, 2015 02:13 PM (8ZskC)

26 "Otherwise, we are simply cattle in one of Temple Grandin's slaughterhouses, in which the cows are led through a serpentine course which prevents them from ever seeing what's up ahead, what's happened to the cows further up in the queue."

Someone's been cribbing from our notes. This will not do.

Posted by: Happy Fun Camp Activities Director at July 29, 2015 02:13 PM (noWW6)

27 She's a cucktheist!

Posted by: Insomniac at July 29, 2015 02:13 PM (mx5oN)

28 If you watch her interviewed, she sounds a little like an ADD version of Allan Bloom.

Posted by: Feh at July 29, 2015 02:14 PM (wfznB)

29 But why would the PP videos need to be suppressed anyway? According to a poster on an earlier thread, nobody cares except for "SoCons" and PP is doing a great sthing.

Posted by: Benji Carver at July 29, 2015 02:14 PM (OD2ni)

30 An Agnostic thinks that there's no god. An Atheist knows that there's no god. A Progressive prays that there's no god.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at July 29, 2015 02:14 PM (evdj2)

31 Liberal Progressives, to begin with, are misleading in name alone.

They are actually "regressive", that is, they are defined by ideas and principles which are demonstrably false an proven so in the past.

So they coerce, hide, demur, dissemble, filter and censor.

They also have corrupted the political system, which matches their corrupt philosophy.

So how can you have an honest conversation with people who are delusional by definition? Answer- you can't.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 29, 2015 02:14 PM (GGCsk)

32 I think Temple Grandin was taken advantage of because of her autism from an early age by many people. It's wrong for that to happen to anybody, autism or not. Like many autistics she is a damn genius in some things and unaware in others. I like her. For what it's worth, I like to hear kd lang sing, but don't care for her otherwise.

Posted by: Eromero at July 29, 2015 02:14 PM (go5uR)

33 except, of course, that you never hear about atheists getting butthurt over public accommodations for moose slimes: they only attack Christian Jewish targets.

Because those don't shoot back.

Yet.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 29, 2015 02:14 PM (TW49l)

34 >>> When the first secret Planned Parenthood video was released in mid-July, anyone who looks only at liberal media was kept totally in the dark about it, even after the second video was released

Very true. At this point they still don't know much about it. They know there's "a video" and its propaganda on the order of the bloody billboard pictures, nothing more. I mentioned it to my wife in passing and she was all WTF are you talking about? When I briefly described it [we were in public] she off handedly dismissed it and hasn't pursued any further. Liberals are just incurious.

Posted by: Bigby's Poking Finger at July 29, 2015 02:15 PM (3ZtZW)

35 And she has her blind spots.

For example, it's interesting that she identifies but can't articulate the connection between her revulsion at the PP videos and her being pro "unlimited reproductive rights."

What's going on, there?

Posted by: Feh at July 29, 2015 02:16 PM (wfznB)

36 Was never able to take Paglia seriously in any way after her absolutely dogmatic insistence (from a woman who claims to shun dogma in all its forms) that a certain shallow 1980s musical pop tart was somehow a hugely pivotal figure in the entire history of art, culture, and civilization.

Nope. Sorry. Wrong.

Posted by: torquewrench at July 29, 2015 02:16 PM (noWW6)

37 I think the blue deck chair would look much better and less offensive if it were over by the "T" in Titanic.

- Left over snark from last thread

Posted by: The Great White Snark at July 29, 2015 02:17 PM (XUKZU)

38 Posted by: the Chicken at July 29, 2015 02:12 PM (VAsIq)

Not so fast chicken. Your wanted on Gabe's post.

Posted by: wrg500 at July 29, 2015 02:18 PM (sgrzZ)

39 Does she mention Madonna in this one?

Posted by: again and again at July 29, 2015 02:19 PM (ZtFr+)

40 The SJW "intellectual discourse" that distills down to "You SUCK you reichwing hater" gets old. So very old.

Posted by: fixerupper at July 29, 2015 02:09 PM (8XRCm)

She got it right; it's adolescent behavior. It isn't very clever and it wears out its welcome quickly.

Do you remember when a young person longed to be an adult? Now many yearn to be a child forever.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Sound Less Rage-Crazy, Get Quality Euphemisms at the Outrage Outlet! at July 29, 2015 02:19 PM (hLRSq)

41 Yeah but torque, you should see the blind hate-filled fury in the eyes of femenists like that repulsive Marcotte when you enthuse about Paglia. Thing of beauty.

That, I take seriously.

Posted by: Feh at July 29, 2015 02:19 PM (wfznB)

42 atheism is just another religious belief.

At least the way it's practiced by militant atheists, yes.

There's something I like to call the Atheist Delusion and that's where it becomes religious. Basically, if you believe the world would be a better place if everybody were atheist, you're delusional.

From the Cult of Reason to Leninism to Maoism and a lot of others in between, any explicitly atheist (rather than secular and tolerant) society has been a sociopathic basket case.

But these certain kinds of atheists have such blind and unflinching faith in their belief...

Posted by: AmishDude at July 29, 2015 02:19 PM (b65cm)

43 It is refreshing to see a liberal with some reason and willingness to call it as she see's it even when it means putting down people who are presumably on her side.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 29, 2015 02:19 PM (NOIQH)

44 Cuckmille Paglia is a traitor to atheists everywhere!

Posted by: zombie at July 29, 2015 02:20 PM (jBuUi)

45 Camile is quite willing to live next door without going all HOA on you. Unlike the juvenile Puritans who think they are liberal.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 29, 2015 02:20 PM (7Eo8i)

46
"An Agnostic thinks that there's no god."
Nope. Not correct.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at July 29, 2015 02:20 PM (LWWrf)

47 So is this the cockholder thread?

Posted by: Joe Biden at July 29, 2015 02:20 PM (YFw5T)

48 Do you remember when a young person longed to be an adult? Now many yearn to be a child forever.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Sound Less Rage-Crazy, Get Quality Euphemisms at the Outrage Outlet! at July 29, 2015 02:19 PM (hLRSq)

Yeah, well, being a grown-up sucks ass most of the time, so...

Posted by: Insomniac at July 29, 2015 02:20 PM (mx5oN)

49
She's been taking on PC liberals since the 90s. Good stuff.

The young commenters at Salon don't know what to make of her. Heads esploding.

Posted by: CJ at July 29, 2015 02:20 PM (9KqcB)

50
Do you remember when a young person longed to be an adult? Now many yearn to be a child forever.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Sound Less Rage-Crazy, Get Quality Euphemisms at the Outrage Outlet! at July 29, 2015 02:19 PM (hLRSq)

------------------------

I'm well into my second childhood....

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at July 29, 2015 02:20 PM (HSmrB)

51 Paglia is one of those people who is curious about everything, the sign of a really intelligent person who actually is really smart.

Or someone who is not insecure in her intellect.

A lot of the moral preening you see is a result of insecure people.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 29, 2015 02:21 PM (b65cm)

52 I mentioned it to my wife in passing and she was all WTF are you talking about? When I briefly described it [we were in public] she off handedly dismissed it

Dismiss me out of hand at your own peril when I have video proof.

I AM the turd in the punch bowl thrower. I will drop it at the most inopportune time for you.

Like Thanksgiving Dinner table.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 29, 2015 02:21 PM (TW49l)

53 Humans should not be subject to the "humane treatment" of a
media-enforced serpentine ramp. We should know-- we should see -- what's
happening to the other humans.
***
What makes you think the leftwing establishment views you as human or indeed even owed humane treatment?

Remember you and I are all that stops their brave new utopia...

Posted by: 18-1 at July 29, 2015 02:21 PM (78TbK)

54 In addition to dogmatic atheists, there are also "functional atheists" who might notionally agree that God exists, but this, in their actual daily lives, doesn't matter a bit.

I'm not sure which is worse.

Posted by: Feh at July 29, 2015 02:21 PM (wfznB)

55 Creation without a Creator, now that's magical thinking. Matter from no matter, that's truly irrational thought, and hewed to by Atheists worldwide. Space from no space. Time with no beginning, Atheist beliefs are wackier than any Religion's. Except real Religions have millennia of human experience and philosophizing to draw on, while Atheists have only Bill Maher's smirk.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 29, 2015 02:21 PM (2cS/G)

56
Read the whole article and loved every single delicious word of it. Yes, yes, double yes.

Look, I expect progressives to hate conservatives. But they are willing to trash, destroy, and defame every single liberal institution to advance their own interests. It's about time real liberals started noticing that these people, these...creatures, and not their friends, they are their mortal enemies. They will destroy the democratic party and liberal institutions right along with the country.

Progressives are just a bunch of children. Greedy whiney narcissists. Sneering at their parents, talking up their big plans when we will all see how cool their ideas are, before retiring to their rooms to play videogames and asking mom to make them a sandwich.

Posted by: Geroge Orwell's ghost at July 29, 2015 02:22 PM (HuVX+)

57 "What's going on, there?"

Cognitive dissonance.

Posted by: Lauren at July 29, 2015 02:22 PM (1oZmp)

58 Finally someone with a brain...
Posted by: donna at July 29, 2015 02:06 PM (hUdMz)

I generally enjoy reading her, but she does occasionally go off on some self glorifying tangents...

But she's dead on about this stuff. Except snark being invented by Letterman.

Posted by: Lea at July 29, 2015 02:23 PM (lIU4e)

59 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 29, 2015 02:24 PM (kff5f)

60 A atheist believes there is no God. An agnostic believes that we cannot know if there is a God.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 29, 2015 02:24 PM (mx5oN)

61 I like the Temple Grandin slaughterhouse analogy. Temple brilliantly found a way to use a cow's natural instincts to design systems that lead them, calmly and gently, to the desired outcome of their owner, whether it is to get a flea bath or to be slaughtered.

Is a perfect analogy for the modern media/political class. They want to lead the plebes and LIVs comfortably down a carefully constructed path. Anyone that might damage that path, and get the LIV cows to wake up and realize crap, I'm in a chute, must be destroyed. Whether that be Paglia, the tea party, Trump, Fox News, etc.

Posted by: LizLem at July 29, 2015 02:24 PM (hvf9s)

62 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 29, 2015 02:24 PM (kff5f)

63 An atheist. Sheesh.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 29, 2015 02:24 PM (mx5oN)

64 1
I like this woman. She thinks.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 29, 2015 02:02 PM (b65cm)

Someone found a lefty that you can have rational discourse, but . . . .
She turned me into a newt.

Posted by: rebel flounder at July 29, 2015 02:24 PM (Vf5rR)

65
"What's going on, there?"
Typical leftwing denial of reality.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at July 29, 2015 02:24 PM (LWWrf)

66 A gnostic.

Without knowledge? Or not having knowledge.

As in "I don't know if there's a God or not"

That was my understanding anyway.

Posted by: eleven at July 29, 2015 02:25 PM (jAuNn)

67 I skimmed the comments over at Salon.

Underwhelming.

Posted by: Feh at July 29, 2015 02:25 PM (wfznB)

68 Love how she sees Trump:

"So far this year, I'm happy with what Trump has done, because he's totally blown up the media! All of a sudden, "BOOM!" That lack of caution and shooting from the hip. He's not a president, of course. He's not remotely a president. He has no political skills of any kind. He's simply an American citizen who is creating his own bully pulpit. He speaks in the great populist way, in the slangy vernacular. He takes hits like a comedian - and to me he's more of a comedian than Jon Stewart is! Like claiming John McCain isn't a war hero, because his kind of war hero doesn't get captured - that's hilarious! That's like something crass that Lenny Bruce might have said! It's so startling and entertaining."

Posted by: Lizzy at July 29, 2015 02:25 PM (NOIQH)

69
Letteeman invented snark?

Tell that Mark Twain.

I think the Bble even contains snark.

Posted by: Soothsayer II, twelve-time Top Commenter at July 29, 2015 02:25 PM (L0kit)

70 60
A atheist believes there is no God. An agnostic <s>believes</s> <u>knows</u> that we cannot know if there is a God.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 29, 2015 02:24 PM (mx5oN)

Fixed.

Posted by: rebel flounder at July 29, 2015 02:25 PM (Vf5rR)

71 Posted by: LizLem at July 29, 2015 02:24 PM (hvf9s)

Unfortunately the Nazis used those techniques.

Posted by: Cruzinator at July 29, 2015 02:26 PM (p/8Bt)

72 I think Paglia might be saying the likes of Letterman and Stewart have created a specilised snark subset. The over-preening smugness that lies behind the cattyness of their snark perhaps.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 29, 2015 02:26 PM (7Eo8i)

73 She is a liberal, but not a Dem partisan. Kind of like Alan Dershowitz.

Something tells me they would both vote for Obama's third term if they could.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 29, 2015 02:26 PM (W5DcG)

74 If you are going to talk agnostic or gnostic, might as well start with gnosis.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gnosis

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 29, 2015 02:27 PM (7Eo8i)

75 And yet she contributed to Martin O'Malley.

*headdesk*

Posted by: Lizzy at July 29, 2015 02:27 PM (NOIQH)

76 Is it a thing if Trump is leading Jebby 26-20 in a poll released today?

Oh, and that's 26-20 in Florida.

http://wp.me/pShRp-Zwk

Trump sure is taking a pounding in the polls, with all his mis-steps, and mis-speaks.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 29, 2015 02:27 PM (VPLuQ)

77

There really is a lot in her piece to digest.

I was shocked, or stunned, at what I was reading, knowing that this would reach a wider audience.

Good.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 29, 2015 02:27 PM (qCMvj)

78 Know what I'm saying? When I gradulated from Brattleboro High Skool Ms. Cloggenstein tolds all of us in class like that we did not need to get our like news from anywhere except like CNN because like all the rest are H8ters and like Boosh too much. Ms. Cloggenstein like told us to be like our proud socialist brothers in the USSR who just listed to like PRAVDA in between like vacation trips to like Siberia like to help build the Motherland. Ms. Cloggenstein told us to Always listen to NPR and CNN like and help our like Chairman Obama as he brings hope and like change like to us all. You know what I'm saying?

Posted by: 20 years old and stupid at July 29, 2015 02:28 PM (D0NZx)

79
"Was never able to take Paglia seriously in any way after her absolutely dogmatic insistence (from a woman who claims to shun dogma in all its forms) that a certain shallow 1980s musical pop tart was somehow a hugely pivotal figure in the entire history of art, culture, and civilization."

Nobody's perfect. I think Paglia wanted to get her liquor license from Madonna which probably explains that.

Posted by: Benji Carver at July 29, 2015 02:28 PM (OD2ni)

80 Posted by: Soothsayer II, twelve-time Top Commenter at July 29, 2015 02:25 PM (L0kit)

Paul certainly snarked at the Corinthians. 'I'm so sorry I hurt your feewings by being unfair to you and not charging you for my upkeep like I did other cities'.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at July 29, 2015 02:28 PM (GDulk)

81 I adore her. She is *interested* in the world, no matter what, and, sadly, far too many people are not.

Also, she recognizes the value of viewing the world as absurd in the grand sense of laughing at how ridiculous all of this is.

I think her critical theories do not wholly mesh and that she overreads matters but then again, what she is doing is more art than criticism.

Gah. That's it. Tonight I'm rereading Sexual Personae. It's been far far far too long (by which I mean a couple of months) since I have.

Posted by: alexthechick - Team Joker Money Pile Being Hit By SMOD at July 29, 2015 02:29 PM (mf5HN)

82 White lasers?

Really?

Colored ones weren't enough for you people?

Sickatating.

Posted by: The African American Community at July 29, 2015 02:29 PM (Jktp1)

83 Snark about my beliefs don't bother me at all. Political actions that attempt to extinguish my beliefs bother me a lot.

Posted by: Cruzinator at July 29, 2015 02:29 PM (p/8Bt)

84 Then Paglia used Madonna's gyrations to club Milky Virus over the head about being derivative and not really protesting.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 29, 2015 02:29 PM (7Eo8i)

85

Jon Stewart is someone you grow out of.

When you're young and stupid, and high, it's entertaining.

When you grow up and mature, it gets old. It's repetitive. You realize he's fos.

All under the guise of "comedy."

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 29, 2015 02:29 PM (qCMvj)

86 Heh. Roger Goodell has asked for police protection of his Maine vacation home, fearing wrathful Patriots fans will attack. What a choad.

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 29, 2015 02:29 PM (2cS/G)

87
Oh you sweet sweet gaggle of morons, how soon you all forget:

Paglia in 2009 said obama's problem is that he's surrounded by incompetents. She said this after it was obvious obama wasnt All That.

Posted by: Soothsayer II, twelve-time Top Commenter at July 29, 2015 02:29 PM (L0kit)

88 >>>They think that their views are the only rational ones, and everyone else is not only evil but financed by the Koch brothers.<<<

Kochservatives*!!!

(Kochservatives is a registered trademark of Exercise Band Cyclops, Inc.)

Posted by: Dingy Harry, printing up t-shirts at July 29, 2015 02:30 PM (w9WoH)

89 I think Temple Grandin was taken advantage of
because of her autism from an early age by many people. It's wrong for
that to happen to anybody, autism or not. Like many autistics she is a
damn genius in some things and unaware in others. I like her. For what
it's worth, I like to hear kd lang sing, but don't care for her
otherwise. Posted by: Eromero at July 29, 2015 02:14 PM (go5uR)

Maybe she was taken advantage of, I can't say. But I got to hear her speak live and she is wonderful. Has no patience for the PETA SJWs, hah. Check out her TED talk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn_9f5x0f1Q

One of the very few things HBO has ever done right was the documentary movie on her. Really fascinating and a great insight on what it is to be autistic.

Posted by: LizLem at July 29, 2015 02:30 PM (hvf9s)

90
The only thing I disagreed with in this column was her take on Hitchens. I viewed Hitch the same way I view Ms. Paglia -- not someone I always (or often) agree with, but always fascinating and worth the read.

Posted by: LibertarianJim at July 29, 2015 02:30 PM (XMDuf)

91
"Something tells me they would both vote for Obama's third term if they could."

Probably, but Paglia strongly defended Palin from the ugly attacks in 2008.

Posted by: Benji Carver at July 29, 2015 02:30 PM (OD2ni)

92 Snark is entertaining, but Paglia's right that it short-circuits and debases public discussion.

I liked her analogy of Trump and comedian. Maybe he's like the Fool to America's Lear.

Posted by: Feh at July 29, 2015 02:30 PM (wfznB)

93 Paul certainly snarked at the Corinthians. 'I'm so sorry I hurt your feewings by being unfair to you and not charging you for my upkeep like I did other cities'.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at July 29, 2015 02:28 PM (GDulk)

Paul is *nearly* as sarcastic as Jesus.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 29, 2015 02:30 PM (kff5f)

94
Thanks, Polli, I knew there was snark in the Good Book!

Posted by: Soothsayer II, twelve-time Top Commenter at July 29, 2015 02:31 PM (L0kit)

95 huh... i just read these articles (2 of 3) based on interviews with paglia on a range of topics and came by to non-sequitur them into whatever was running here... and here's an article on paglia! nice.

after having seemed to have disappeared into irrelevance for about two decades, paglia reemerges spectacularly. very interesting and recommended reading..

i disagree with her leftist politics but she's spot on in her take downs of pop and pc culture, especially feminism and liberal platitudes. she's thoughtful, perceptive and incisive. well done.

Posted by: steinmetz at July 29, 2015 02:31 PM (CrYC8)

96 So is this the cockholder thread?

Posted by: Joe Biden at July 29, 2015 02:20 PM (YFw5T)

*shakes head*

No, this is the cupholder thread. You get a foam dome Mr. Vice-President.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Sound Less Rage-Crazy, Get Quality Euphemisms at the Outrage Outlet! at July 29, 2015 02:31 PM (hLRSq)

97 Those damned socons. Somebody should tell them that only Brinks trucks full of money will bring true happiness. And Lamborghinis.

Posted by: Mr. Foo Foo at July 29, 2015 02:31 PM (Dwehj)

98 It's been far far far too long (by which I mean a couple of months) since I have.

Posted by: alexthechick - Team Joker Money Pile Being Hit By SMOD at July 29, 2015 02:29 PM (mf5HN)

That definitely could be read incorrectly .

Posted by: Cruzinator at July 29, 2015 02:32 PM (p/8Bt)

99 " Except real Religions have millennia of human experience and philosophizing to draw on, while Atheists have only Bill Maher's smirk."

And yet that is enough for propaganda to work. Maher is on TV and thus an authority. His smirk is a signal to his acolytes to think no further about those big questions that life asks of them: is this all there is? what happens when I die? what is love?

Paglia is simply ruing that her leftist cronies have chosen to run things using propaganda.

Posted by: goatlover at July 29, 2015 02:32 PM (nQGKN)

100

this p*ssed off a lot of people too

Camille Paglia: How Bill Clinton is like Bill Cosby

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 29, 2015 02:32 PM (qCMvj)

101 >>Paglia in 2009 said obama's problem is that he's surrounded by incompetents. She said this after it was obvious obama wasnt All That.

Oh, I don't agree with her on everything, and she certainly has her blind spots like the rest of us. Doesn't stop me from enjoying her take on things - especially when she's more than happy to call out her own side.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 29, 2015 02:33 PM (NOIQH)

102 Worst, most inconsistent part. She votes for everything she alleges to despise.

She's part of the political fangurl crowd, and she doesn't even realize it.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 29, 2015 02:33 PM (GGCsk)

103 I'm a fan of both Hitchens and Paglia. Love, love, love people with well thought out and we'll articulated and consistent opinions.

Posted by: @PeeteySDee at July 29, 2015 02:33 PM (mUtkX)

104 I'm old, but I remember Paglia was out there in the late 80s when the "sex is sexist" crap was first making its rounds on campus. The LUGs hated her.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at July 29, 2015 02:33 PM (yxw0r)

105
"Those damned socons. Somebody should tell them that only Brinks trucks full of money will bring true happiness. And Lamborghinis."

And dead baby organs. Mmmm. Mmmm.Mmmm.

Posted by: Mr. Doo Doo at July 29, 2015 02:34 PM (OD2ni)

106 "Camille Paglia: How Bill Clinton is like Bill Cosby"

They're both black?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 29, 2015 02:34 PM (VPLuQ)

107 We have a whole generation of young people who are clinging to politics and to politicized visions of sexuality for their belief system. They see nothing but politics, but politics is tiny.

Let me lecture you some more on the political optics of obscure words like "cuckservative"

Posted by: Mabe Galor at July 29, 2015 02:34 PM (zHvpi)

108 *bids 2,000 Quatloos on AlextheChick's art that arises from her rereading Camile Paglia's book*

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 29, 2015 02:35 PM (7Eo8i)

109 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 29, 2015 02:30 PM (kff5f)

Been using an app to listen to the Bible recently. So many Lol exchanges throughout both Old and New Testaments.

Just got done with an audio book of Mere Christianity (had never read it before) lots of Lol-worthy turns of phrase there as well. Such as (quoting as well as I can) "It may be difficult to hatch from an egg, but it's a good sight harder to fly while remaining one."

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at July 29, 2015 02:36 PM (GDulk)

110 I think the reason she included Hitchens is that he could be the king of sarcastic retorts. They were snark but upper level snark.

Posted by: Cruzinator at July 29, 2015 02:37 PM (p/8Bt)

111 Gah. That's it. Tonight I'm rereading Sexual
Personae. It's been far far far too long (by which I mean a couple of
months) since I have. Posted by: alexthechick - Team Joker Money Pile Being Hit By SMOD at July 29, 2015 02:29 PM (mf5HN)

And then you can talk about it on the podcast! *claps hands gleefully*
My take on Paglia is that she is a liberal, but an honest liberal. There are far too few of those nowadays. I never get the sense she is posturing or preening, she is just telling it as she authentically sees it. Should not be refreshing, but since authenticity is not he default state of the chattering class, she is.

Posted by: LizLem at July 29, 2015 02:37 PM (hvf9s)

112 IIRC, Paglia is/was a big fan of Sarah Palin the woman, if not the politician.

Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2015 02:37 PM (B8PUe)

113 The left has to suppress bad info and push good info or their small percentages would lose power and control. I never thought that I would have to information about my country from English newspapers but I do. It is worse here than it was under the Sovs. The Russians knew it was all BS but the stupid voters here think it is all on the up and up.

Posted by: Jukin, Former Republican at July 29, 2015 02:37 PM (f+6Pd)

114 104

Bob's House, there is a message for you at the AoSHQ Yahoo group. I don't have any other way to contact you.

Posted by: Mindy at July 29, 2015 02:37 PM (dg8OI)

115

She argues for the liberal view of information

How retro of her.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 29, 2015 02:38 PM (qCMvj)

116 Gah. That's it. Tonight I'm rereading Sexual Personae. It's been far far far too long (by which I mean a couple of months) since I have.

*types*
*delete*

*Taps chin thinking*

*Types*
*DELETE*

Posted by: wrg500 at July 29, 2015 02:38 PM (sgrzZ)

117
"Let me lecture you some more on the political optics of obscure words like "cuckservative""

Please. No more. I confess. I deflated those balls. Just make it stop.

Posted by: Tom Brady at July 29, 2015 02:38 PM (OD2ni)

118 My favorite bible snark:

Oh it's not working for you? Perhaps your god is on vacation.

Posted by: Lauren at July 29, 2015 02:38 PM (1oZmp)

119 I'm sure this post is racist somehow. It's got subjects and verbs and electrolytes.

I rest my case.

Posted by: socalled justice weft cut-loop at July 29, 2015 02:38 PM (VY8H5)

120 Paglia was a great playah for the Celtics!

Posted by: Mumbles Menino at July 29, 2015 02:38 PM (B8PUe)

121 The reason Paglia can act so forgiving and accepting of religious folks (which is how I act) is that she is what I call an "unwitting agnostic" and not a treu atheist, as evidence by this quote in her interview:

"I'm speaking here as an atheist. I don't believe there is a God..."

This is agnosticism, the way she phrased it -- not atheism, despite her claims to be be an atheist.

Saying "I know for sure that God doesn't exist" makes you an atheist.

Saying "I don't know whether or not God exists" makes you an agnostic.

She said, specifically, "I don't believe there is a God..." which is definitive in the agnostic camp.

Even the more aggressive "I believe there is no God" is still borderline agnostic, because you are conceding your viewpoint is just your internal belief, not an external fact. An atheist would say "I know for sure that there is no God."

Being an agnostic makes one more accepting and laissez-faire. Which she is.

She doesn't understand that many hardcore atheists are such assholes because they have a different belief system than she has. She mistakenly calls herself an atheist and then wonders why other atheists are such assholes. Duh -- it's because you're not really an atheist.

Posted by: zombie at July 29, 2015 02:39 PM (jBuUi)

122 Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at July 29, 2015 02:36 PM (GDulk)

Everybody remembers the "why try to pull the speck from your brother's eye with a plank in your own" comment, but my favorites are the ones that start "Which of you... "

"Which of you, if his son asks for a fish would give him a snake?"
"Which of you, if he wanted to build a tower, would not first sit and figure out if he could complete it? And if he did not, then everyone passing by would mock him..."

Imagine either of those quotes out of the mouths of one of the Horde.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 29, 2015 02:39 PM (kff5f)

123 Can y'all help me out?

I know we have an 'Ette here that (I think) is pretty active in the anti-abortion movement in Texas.
Anyone remember who that is? Lea? Lindafell? Donna?

Any help would be appreciated. I need some local contacts. I am getting impatient waiting for return calls from Students For Life.

Thanks.

Posted by: Chi at July 29, 2015 02:39 PM (bHEwy)

124
They controlled the major newspapers and weekly newsmagazines and T.V. networks....

That part is interesting I think. Leftists (I rarely use "liberals" anymore) control much of the social narrative and power in our society and yet complain of the racism, sexism etc., in which they have produced. They are producing generations of weak men and whiny women as well the disunity of the races. They search for the meaning of life instead of giving their lives meaning.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 29, 2015 02:39 PM (ODxAs)

125 Gah. That's it. Tonight I'm rereading Sexual Personae. It's been far
far far too long (by which I mean a couple of months) since I have.

I checked earlier after reading the essay, and none of the town libraries I'm allowed to borrow from without paying a fee have any Paglia books. I knew they ran more to Amish romance than to serious works, but not a single book...

I could go into the city and rent it from IPL, I guess.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 29, 2015 02:40 PM (/kI1Q)

126 Did the interviewer know that Hitchens died a few years ago?

Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2015 02:40 PM (B8PUe)

127

I honestly wonder what Paglia thinks in her heart about immigration. She is a huge fan of Western civilization, and we are losing it at an unprecedented rate because of the "browning" of European society across the world.

I'm just holding out for President Camacho in my lifetime.

Posted by: imp at July 29, 2015 02:40 PM (XIXZz)

128 Shit. Maybe it's Lauren that I'm thinking of...

Posted by: Chi at July 29, 2015 02:41 PM (bHEwy)

129 Gah, I keep getting ads today in the sidebar that are all "The next step in evolution," and it has pics of robots that look like they are supposed to be sexy, but just come off as kinda creepy. What the crap site did I visit yesterday to get that as my ads??!?

Posted by: LizLem at July 29, 2015 02:41 PM (hvf9s)

130 Just wait till these snarky leftists finally become disenchanted with the left. They'll become the next generation of neoconservatives. Only this time we will call them "Hipstervative" or some other awkwardly constructed portmanteau.

Posted by: wooga at July 29, 2015 02:41 PM (zHvpi)

131 After trying to discuss things with a few progressives recently, it's refreshing to hear from an actual liberal.

Posted by: Mindy at July 29, 2015 02:41 PM (dg8OI)

132 Oh it's not working for you? Perhaps your god is on vacation.

Posted by: Lauren at July 29, 2015 02:38 PM (1oZmp)

I have heard (no way for me to confirm this) that the word the English versions translate as "busy" in that part would be better translated as, "taking a crap."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 29, 2015 02:41 PM (kff5f)

133 Chi, how's it going for you today?

Posted by: Mindy at July 29, 2015 02:42 PM (dg8OI)

134 77: "...knowing that this would reach a wider audience."

Unfortunately, I don't think it did. Those that would benefit from reading it simply dismissed it out of hand.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at July 29, 2015 02:42 PM (UPYPp)

135 Chi - It's Lauren you're looking for.

Posted by: Lizzy at July 29, 2015 02:42 PM (NOIQH)

136 OT: The two Florida boys what capsized have been rescued alive.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 29, 2015 02:43 PM (JtwS4)

137 The only thing I disagreed with in this column was her take on Hitchens. I viewed Hitch the same way I view Ms. Paglia -- not someone I always (or often) agree with, but always fascinating and worth the read.
Posted by: LibertarianJim at July 29, 2015 02:30 PM (XMDuf)

I knew she would go after Hitch on that book because that is very much the teacher who holds you to higher standards because you are capable of higher level work giving you a C when anyone else would get an A because she knows full fucking well you phoned that shit in.

Posted by: alexthechick - Team Joker Money Pile Being Hit By SMOD at July 29, 2015 02:43 PM (mf5HN)

138 She doesn't understand that many hardcore atheists
are such assholes because they have a different belief system than she
has. She mistakenly calls herself an atheist and then wonders why other
atheists are such assholes. Duh -- it's because you're not really an
atheist.

Posted by: zombie at July 29, 2015 02:39 PM (jBuUi)

Exactly. Shorter zombie at 70.

Posted by: rebel flounder at July 29, 2015 02:43 PM (Vf5rR)

139 Posted by: Chi at July 29, 2015 02:39 PM (bHEwy)

That would be our very own Lauren.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 29, 2015 02:43 PM (kff5f)

140 "I know we have an 'Ette here that (I think) is pretty active in the anti-abortion movement in Texas. "

Possibly "Conservative Monster"

She shared some Verizon contact addresses with me yesterday.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 29, 2015 02:43 PM (VPLuQ)

141 Lauren?
Laura?

Dammit. Now you have me confused.

Lemme go check.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 29, 2015 02:43 PM (kff5f)

142 Yes. Lauren.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 29, 2015 02:44 PM (kff5f)

143 "OT: The two Florida boys what capsized have been rescued alive."

WHOOT!!!!!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 29, 2015 02:44 PM (VPLuQ)

144 90
The only thing I disagreed with in this column was her take on Hitchens. I viewed Hitch the same way I view Ms. Paglia -- not someone I always (or often) AGREE with, but always fascinating and worth the read.
Posted by: LibertarianJim at July 29, 2015 02:30 PM (XMDuf)
---------------
She is solely, specifically attacking him for the shallowness and ignorance of his atheistic writings.
And she's dead on. It's dreadful stuff and lacks the sparkle of his other work.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at July 29, 2015 02:44 PM (cN9Sk)

145 >>The two Florida boys what capsized have been rescued alive."

Excellent news!!

Posted by: Lizzy at July 29, 2015 02:44 PM (NOIQH)

146 Chi, try these people if you haven't already:
http://txvalues.org

Posted by: Mindy at July 29, 2015 02:45 PM (dg8OI)

147 Brady is on a cereal box!

http://i0.wp.com/gamedayr.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/
patriots-deflategate-ballghazi-meme-10.jpg?resize=465%2C650

Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2015 02:45 PM (B8PUe)

148 Possibly "Conservative Monster"
She shared some Verizon contact addresses with me yesterday.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 29, 2015 02:43 PM (VPLuQ)

ROFL. I am not an Ette. This is the first time I've ever been confused for one.

Lauren's the Texan who did some pro-life rally video/reporting some time.

I'm just a Clownifornian.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at July 29, 2015 02:46 PM (3edTg)

149 ""OT: The two Florida boys what capsized have been rescued alive."

WHOOT!!!!!"

Recheck that.

The only link I found was to a 2005 story.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 29, 2015 02:47 PM (VPLuQ)

150 The two Florida boys what capsized have been rescued alive

Happy dance!

The sea is a stone-cold b*tch most of the time. But every so often she has mercy.

I think it's just because she likes to keep us guessing.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 29, 2015 02:47 PM (kff5f)

151
Paglia has an interesting mind, despite her incurable leftwing political tendencies

Yes. But as much as I admire her mind, she has an annoying habit of not following her own logic. She's been downright brutal in criticizing some in the Donk party, especially Chocolate Fonzie. Yet, she will not take that criticism to the conclusion of NOT VOTING FOR THE DONK. Because ewwww, Republicans have cooties.

She lacks commitment.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 29, 2015 02:47 PM (BcfrM)

152 "ROFL. I am not an Ette. This is the first time I've ever been confused for one.
"

My bad..

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 29, 2015 02:47 PM (VPLuQ)

153 >>>OT: The two Florida boys what capsized have been rescued alive.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 29, 2015 02:43 PM (JtwS4)<<<

**hic**
I could kisssssh you.
**hic**

Posted by: Joe Namath, celebrating with the search party at July 29, 2015 02:48 PM (w9WoH)

154 Paglia is ok, but ...

Orianna Fallaci was the real deal. Falcon fierce, she was.

Posted by: mrp at July 29, 2015 02:48 PM (JBggj)

155 Did somebody say slaughterhouses?

Posted by: Planned Parents in the Hood at July 29, 2015 02:48 PM (wAQA5)

156 I don't believe there is a God, but I respect every religion deeply.

Not every religion deserves respect. Some do. Some don't. Some deserve mockery. Some deserve contempt. Some deserve even worse.

And then there's islam ... which isn't even a religion but an aggressive, violent, belligerent political ideology that parades around as a religion.

Snark is a disease that started with David Letterman and jumped to Jon Stewart and has proliferated since.

Oy. Snark did not start with Letterman.

Snide remarks have been part of discourse and debate since language first contained any abstract meaning.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 29, 2015 02:48 PM (MYSVz)

157
""OT: The two Florida boys what capsized have been rescued alive."

WHOOT!!!!!"

Recheck that.

The only link I found was to a 2005 story.

http://nbcnews.to/1JS4z3f

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 29, 2015 02:48 PM (JtwS4)

158 Ok, thanks all. Really - Lauren, your assistance is requested in aisle three...

f tucker fish at g mail
If you can spare a minute. Ill happily give my phone # if it makes it more convenient for you.

I can't sit by idly any more. I need to do something. Help me?

Posted by: Chi at July 29, 2015 02:48 PM (bHEwy)

159
Tune in tonight to watch me make stupid faces while Ted Cruz givesa speech. You won't want to miss it.

Posted by: Jon Stewart at July 29, 2015 02:49 PM (OD2ni)

160 I am not an Ette. This is the first time I've ever been confused for one.

Always look for the big hands and Adam's apple.

Posted by: wooga at July 29, 2015 02:50 PM (zHvpi)

161 Posted by: Lincolntf at July 29, 2015 02:29 PM (2cS/G)

Sad how now disagreeing or offending or taking an opposing action now almost automatically results in death threats. Doesn't much matter what either.

Posted by: gracepc at July 29, 2015 02:50 PM (DMQhB)

162 155 Did somebody say slaughterhouses?
Posted by: Planned Parents in the Hood

GREAT idea for some street theater:

Anti-abortion activists set up a Grandin-esque serpentine entrance tunnel outside a Planned Parenthood clinic.

But that's too creative and clever, so of course it will never be done.

Posted by: zombie at July 29, 2015 02:50 PM (jBuUi)

163 Posted by: Chi at July 29, 2015 02:48 PM (bHEwy)

I think I saw on the Yahoo! Group that Lauren had been bannenated from one of her posting locations, so she may not get that.

Are you on the Yahoo Group?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 29, 2015 02:50 PM (kff5f)

164 147 Brady is on a cereal box!

Does this mean we're going to have to make believe about the First Female Superbowl QB in 20 years?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at July 29, 2015 02:50 PM (3edTg)

165 "She doesn't understand that many hardcore atheists are such assholes because they have a different belief system than she has."

Zombie - most atheists are assholes because they are intellectual snobs and they have no problem announcing - loudly - how anybody who disagrees with them does not just have a different opinion but is actually a stupid imbecile.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Sound Less Rage-Crazy, Get Quality Euphemisms at the Outrage Outlet! at July 29, 2015 02:50 PM (hLRSq)

166 The best thing is identifying the Letterman-Stewart snark etiology. Never could stand Letterman. His whole shtick is "you're stupid because you're not as hip as me." She's saying go fuck yourself.

Posted by: Caliban at July 29, 2015 02:50 PM (DrC22)

167 Bandersnatch

That link is to a story from 2005.

I made the same mistake.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 29, 2015 02:50 PM (VPLuQ)

168
Mega meh.

If the closed-minded, intolerant, ignorant, fanatical educational/cultural/info-tainment environment she despairs of didn't exist, most of her "political" views would be irrelevant fringe crap (which they are, in substance, but thanks to our situation they are now in power and wrecking everything). Does she really pretend to believe that, if "information" were actually developed and distributed more normally, her "views" would be have any traction in real politics outside her power-mad/parasitic clique?

And snark was invented by Letterman? That's sort of an obviousself-beclowningbit of idiocy. Re-phrased to "Letterman was key in making mindless snark a substitute for smart humor in recent years", OK.

Clearly others' mileage here varies, but I am baffled that reasonable and intelligent people are so excited (hell, even notice) that the ranks of the opponents of freedom, prosperity, and common sense contain some less beknighted individuals.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 29, 2015 02:51 PM (QDnY+)

169
Discuss: Is the term "cucktheist" racist or not?

Theist or not?

Cucky or not?

Made-up BS or not?

Show all your work.

Posted by: naturalfake at July 29, 2015 02:51 PM (0cMkb)

170
**hic**
I could kisssssh you.
**hic**

Posted by: Joe Namath, celebrating with the search party at July 29

Name dropping time. I knew Suzy Kolber when she was 15. Her older brother is my friend.

All ofus "friends" loved telling him how hot his little sister looked, especially in terrycloth shirts.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 29, 2015 02:51 PM (JtwS4)

171
Always look for the big hands and Adam's apple.

Also - is it covered in fur or have sharp pointy teeth?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at July 29, 2015 02:51 PM (3edTg)

172 Many people I know only look at headlines on their phone. If it isn't in the headlines and a brief summary probably from Yahoo News, it never happened. PP what's that, isn't that a drug you buy on the street.

Posted by: Colin at July 29, 2015 02:52 PM (pU8wz)

173
A friend in Congress told me Mitt Romney purchased one of Cecil's teeth on EBay.

Posted by: Jon Stewart at July 29, 2015 02:52 PM (OiFtZ)

174 Tune in tonight to watch me make stupid faces while Ted Cruz givesa speech. You won't want to miss it.

Posted by: Jon Stewart

OOOH! OOOH! AAH! AAAH!

Posted by: Hooting Apes at July 29, 2015 02:52 PM (/kI1Q)

175 157
""OT: The two Florida boys what capsized have been rescued alive."

WHOOT!!!!!"

Recheck that.

The only link I found was to a 2005 story.

http://nbcnews.to/1JS4z3f
Posted by: Bandersnatch

That story IS from 2005 -- different teens.

Posted by: zombie at July 29, 2015 02:53 PM (jBuUi)

176 Mindy, I'm ok, thanks for asking. Still quite upset. I forced myself to watch all three of the PP expose videos again - I'm tired of crying.

I want do something. Hell, I have to do SOMETHING. Even its holding a sign on a sidewalk...

Posted by: Chi at July 29, 2015 02:53 PM (bHEwy)

177
The two Florida boys what capsized have been rescued alive
....................
were they riding on the back of a shark?

Posted by: Fin Shepard at July 29, 2015 02:53 PM (wAQA5)

178 Chi, you're probably thinking of me. Are you in the yahoo group?

Posted by: Lauren at July 29, 2015 02:53 PM (1oZmp)

179
That link is to a story from 2005.

I made the same mistake.

Oh shit.

Thanks for the correction.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 29, 2015 02:53 PM (JtwS4)

180 I know we have an 'Ette here that (I think) is pretty active in the anti-abortion movement in Texas.
Anyone remember who that is? Lea? Lindafell? Donna?
By Chi
--------------
That would be Lauren. Are you on the yahoo list? You can email her there, she's usually pretty good about getting back to you. She just had that baby so it may not be immediately.

Posted by: lindafell de Spair at July 29, 2015 02:53 PM (xVgrA)

181 "I knew they ran more to Amish romance than to serious works, but not a single book..."

Amish Romance?

"Katrina blushed, for she knew the rumors, as did all of the maidens, of the number of fields Zedekiah had plowed..."

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Sound Less Rage-Crazy, Get Quality Euphemisms at the Outrage Outlet! at July 29, 2015 02:53 PM (hLRSq)

182 I want do something. Hell, I have to do SOMETHING. Even its holding a sign on a sidewalk...

Posted by: Chi at July 29, 2015 02:53 PM (bHEwy)

Where do you live?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 29, 2015 02:53 PM (kff5f)

183 She's been "on to something" for 20 years. She's the Last Liberal as far as I can tell. I love her and have since I came across her more than a decade ago. I don't agree with everything she says, but the bright and firing synapses of her mind, her classic but dynamic liberalism, are wonderful and make her one in a million. To see the responses to her interview from the cloistered and shriveled little minds on Salon, the snarling Leftists who long ago left liberalism behind, is depressing. She honestly wants to help them, and they despise her for it.

Posted by: rrpjr at July 29, 2015 02:53 PM (s/yC1)

184 Lincolntf, any follow-up with the asshole thief who struck y'all the other night?

Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2015 02:54 PM (B8PUe)

185 Zombie - most atheists are assholes because they are intellectual snobs

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Sound Less Rage-Crazy, Get Quality Euphemisms at the Outrage Outlet! at July 29, 2015 02:50 PM (hLRSq)

That's "pseudo-intellectual snobs".

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 29, 2015 02:54 PM (MYSVz)

186 I really detest those who know nothing of history... yet try to speak with authority about a "NEW" thing...

Please go read the various writings, articles, and letters of Benjamin Franklin if you think 'snark' is new.

Hell... read a bit of Shakespeare....

Heck... going back??? Achilles in his Rage got a bit snarky at times...

Posted by: BB Wolf at July 29, 2015 02:54 PM (qh617)

187 Tune in tonight to watch me make stupid faces while Ted Cruz givesa speech. You won't want to miss it.
Posted by: Jon Stewart at July 29, 2015 02:49 PM (OD2ni)

Juan Williams also likes to make stupid faces.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 29, 2015 02:54 PM (W5DcG)

188 I love reading Camilla. She is a smart writer and one of only a handful left. The kind of writing that used to be in The New Yorker and Atlantic Monthly before BDS set in. I used to subscribe to AM, but it all got to be too much. And I always bought a NYer when I traveled by plane as a guilty pleasure. You know, reading long articles about erudite stuff. But the writing was great. Now I think The Economist is about the only thing left that isn't totally insufferable. And VDH.

This I why I wanted my sons to get a "classical liberal arts" education in college. To learn to think. And they do.

The snark was cute the first hundred times, but not 24/7/365.

Posted by: Buckeye Katie at July 29, 2015 02:55 PM (1M/xn)

189 Juan Williams also likes to make stupid faces.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 29, 2015 02:54 PM (W5DcG)

How can you tell the difference?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 29, 2015 02:55 PM (kff5f)

190 Sorry Lauren,
You must have posted while I was typing..

Posted by: lindafell de Spair at July 29, 2015 02:55 PM (xVgrA)

191 Osiris' phallus! Amazon wants $52 for "Sexual Personnae" on Kindle.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 29, 2015 02:56 PM (/kI1Q)

192 That poor cop in Cincinnati is being lynched. I have never seen anything like it .

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 29, 2015 02:56 PM (iQIUe)

193 Gah, I keep getting ads today in the sidebar that are all "The next step in evolution," and it has pics of robots that look like they are supposed to be sexy, but just come off as kinda creepy. What the crap site did I visit yesterday to get that as my ads??!?
Posted by: LizLem

Sybian Selfies?

Posted by: Jean at July 29, 2015 02:56 PM (ztOda)

194 Sybian Selfies?

Posted by: Jean at July 29, 2015 02:56 PM (ztOda)

Talk about Rise of the Machines.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) - Not dead yet at July 29, 2015 02:57 PM (kff5f)

195 "The two Florida boys what capsized have been rescued alive."

The linked article is from 2005. WTF!?

Posted by: Chris M at July 29, 2015 02:57 PM (k3w9p)

196 >>OT: The two Florida boys what capsized have been rescued alive.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 29, 2015 02:43 PM (JtwS4)

Thank God. I was counting the days when 'rescue' still seemed at all possible...

Posted by: Lea at July 29, 2015 02:57 PM (lIU4e)

197 192 That poor cop in Cincinnati is being lynched. I have never seen anything like it .
Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 29, 2015 02:56 PM (iQIUe)

! Link?

Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at July 29, 2015 02:57 PM (RD7QR)

198 >>Osiris' phallus! Amazon wants $52 for "Sexual Personnae" on Kindle.

Whoah - is it a textbook?

Posted by: Lizzy at July 29, 2015 02:58 PM (NOIQH)

199 That poor cop in Cincinnati is being lynched. I have never seen anything like it

I don't know the story so can't comment.

But whatever the story is he is in deep doo doo.

Posted by: eleven at July 29, 2015 02:58 PM (jAuNn)

200 Are you on the Yahoo Group?
------------------------------
Allen,
I joined a long time ago, but lost my login/password somehow. (Blame it on the bourbon!)

can't log in now. Can I re-join under a new name?
Want to just let her know I'm looking for her?

You should start a blog, btw. That would be epic.

Posted by: Chi at July 29, 2015 02:58 PM (bHEwy)

201 Amish Romance?

It's a subset of Christian romance. Lots of longing and praying, no premarital sex.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 29, 2015 02:58 PM (/kI1Q)

202 "That poor cop in Cincinnati is being lynched. "

*Whistle blow*

*Flag Down*

Intentional use orfracist word..

Ten yard penalty.

First down.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 29, 2015 02:59 PM (VPLuQ)

203

The fact that Paglia and Mickey Kaus never had a dozen kids is further proof that liberalism is a demographic and intellectual suicide pact.

Posted by: imp at July 29, 2015 02:59 PM (XIXZz)

204 Planned parenthood videos. There are still quite a few left. And they are probably holding back the worst ones to the end.

So what do you think the worst one will be? My guess is that it will be talking about asking women to hold off on getting an abortion so they can get a better specimen. Possibly evening offering some compensation to the mother.

Posted by: Buzzion at July 29, 2015 02:59 PM (/ERfs)

205 Posted by: Chi at July 29, 2015 02:53 PM (bHEwy)

Your stomach is stronger than mine.

Did you see my link to http://txvalues.org ?

Posted by: Mindy at July 29, 2015 03:00 PM (dg8OI)

206 I'm a little more chipper. Buried under the Bradylanche of news yesterday is that Eric Berry, Pro Bowl safety for the Chiefs who has been battling Hodgkins' lymphoma (the same nasty cancer that smote the Maryland Governor), is cleared to practice with the team.

I hope that inspires the Maryland Guv.

Posted by: logprof at July 29, 2015 03:00 PM (B8PUe)

207 "The linked article is from 2005. WTF!?"

Well, I guess they are still rescued.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at July 29, 2015 03:00 PM (LA7Cm)

208
The snark was cute the first hundred times, but not 24/7/365.

Posted by: Buckeye Katie at July 29, 2015 02:55 PM (1M/xn)

That's about 80% of my schtick. Along with occasionally throwing in random comments to derail the discussion, and hating on flip flops.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 29, 2015 03:00 PM (BcfrM)

209 Planned parenthood videos. There are still quite a few left. And they are probably holding back the worst ones to the end.

But they will be nothing compared to Cecil.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 29, 2015 03:01 PM (W5DcG)

210 That's "pseudo-intellectual snobs".

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 29, 2015 02:54 PM (MYSVz)

Point granted.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Sound Less Rage-Crazy, Get Quality Euphemisms at the Outrage Outlet! at July 29, 2015 03:01 PM (hLRSq)

211 Jon Stewart does a sort of Orwellian "hour of hate", except revised as an hour of hate through mockery and laughter.

The faithful of the PC Religion are greatfully comforted as their enemies are misquoted, freeze framed in ugly positions, and skewered for their stupidity. After an hour of Stewart their faith in their daily talking points is energized.

Posted by: Illiniwek at July 29, 2015 03:02 PM (6zZ5y)

212
Apologies to all on the FL kids thing. I was mistaken, someone linked an old article and I took it as good news.

Picture in the article even looked like one of the kids. Wishful thinking is what it was.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 29, 2015 03:02 PM (JtwS4)

213

Nood Hawking...

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at July 29, 2015 03:02 PM (HSmrB)

214 That would be Lauren. Are you on the yahoo list? You can email her there, she's usually pretty good about getting back to you. She just had that baby so it may not be immediately.

You may get a reply after a 3:00 am feeding. LOL

Posted by: rickb223 at July 29, 2015 03:02 PM (TW49l)

215 Gah, I keep getting ads today in the sidebar that are all "The next step in evolution," and it has pics of robots that look like they are supposed to be sexy, but just come off as kinda creepy. What the crap site did I visit yesterday to get that as my ads??!?
Posted by: LizLem

I get those too. I blame this blog and its lovable deviants.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at July 29, 2015 03:02 PM (3edTg)

216 #204

The guy said on Hannity last night that there were 12 PP videos altogether.

Posted by: IrishEi at July 29, 2015 03:02 PM (E6RIJ)

217
I don't think in context she was saying snark was new. You know she is more intelligent than that.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 29, 2015 03:03 PM (ODxAs)

218
The next step in evolution," and it has pics of robots that look like they are supposed to be sexy, but just come off as kinda creepy.
.........................
Our research shows people that buy sex robots lean toward the creepy.

Posted by: Japanese Sexbots, Inc. at July 29, 2015 03:03 PM (wAQA5)

219 Oy. Snark did not start with Letterman.

I don't think she literally meant that. There's a certain modern form of sneering snark that really did originate with post-NBC Letterman (aka the time he started to suck) and is also employed liberally by Stewart and sometimes Maher.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 29, 2015 03:04 PM (B/VB5)

220 It wasn't a "poor Cinncinatti cop" - it was a rent-a-cop working for UC.
He pulled a brother over off campus, ostensibly for no front license plate. Then he shot the man in the fucking head and lied about why.

"I was being dragged by his car!"
Fortunately , he was wearing a body camera. It was murder.

Posted by: Chi at July 29, 2015 03:04 PM (bHEwy)

221 OH. I see that link was old. Nevermind.

Posted by: Lea at July 29, 2015 03:04 PM (lIU4e)

222 "But they will be nothing compared to Cecil. "

and the condemnation of the American people if Jenner's reality show doesn't stop nose diving in the ratings.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at July 29, 2015 03:04 PM (VPLuQ)

223 ""Katrina blushed, for she knew the rumors, as did all of the maidens, of the number of fields Zedekiah had plowed..."

You have obviously never heard the Ladies talking in the Basement of the Church on a Saturday afternoon.

Mennonites may be some things but sexually repressed is not among them.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 29, 2015 03:04 PM (1aNPq)

224 Fortunately , he was wearing a body camera. It was murder.

What kind of an idiot pulls a stunt like that while wearing a body camera?

Well, actually, I guess now we know. The rent-a-cop kind.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 29, 2015 03:06 PM (B/VB5)

225
"So what do you think the worst one will be? My guess is that it will be talking about asking women to hold off on getting an abortion so they can get a better specimen. Possibly evening offering some compensation to the mother."

That's justgood business sense you stupid Socon. I don't care what your phony sky wizard tells you.

Posted by: Mr. Doo Doo at July 29, 2015 03:06 PM (OD2ni)

226 Hiding information that is hurtful to one side and screaming to the rooftops information that helps your side is a propaganda technique called cardstacking.

It's how the Germans could be led into concentration camps and start crying after the war. A lot of them legitimately had no idea, they were lied to.

Posted by: Mr Pink at July 29, 2015 03:07 PM (VOv7+)

227 ...so I've ordered a used paperback, and it will arrive in three weeks when I've completely forgotten this thread. Heh.

Posted by: HR braucht ein Bier at July 29, 2015 03:08 PM (/kI1Q)

228 Camille Paglia, and maybe Kirsten Powers, are two of the only people on the left who obviously care about the truth. And while I disagree with them, and they would disagree with me, we could reach some common ground because we both wish to attain and serve the truth.
The mainstream left only cares about power. Truth be damned. Which is why peace will never be possible with them.
But she's an interesting looking glass to hold up to the left. Which is probably why if they ever win, she'll be next up on the chopping block after us.

Posted by: Iblis at July 29, 2015 03:10 PM (OyAsg)

229 I don't think she literally meant that.

It certainly sounds like she did. The word "snarik" is new so she might think it represents something new, too.

There's a certain modern form of sneering snark that really did originate with post-NBC Letterman (aka the time he started to suck) and is also employed liberally by Stewart and sometimes Maher.

Posted by: Ian S. at July 29, 2015 03:04 PM (B/VB5)

I don't know. I never saw anything original in Letterman. There have been dry, condescending comics always.

BTW, I thought Letterman sucked from the very beginning. Same for Jon Stewart. I never understood how he kept getting jobs. But, I guess that old quote applies (Barnum, Menken??)... "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public." People can force themselves to "like" anything that they think is supposed to be liked. One of the ultimate coping mechanisms ... and leftists are in dire need of coping mechanisms, since their lives are such utter shit.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at July 29, 2015 03:11 PM (MYSVz)

230 Humans should not be subject to the "humane treatment" of a
media-enforced serpentine ramp. We should know-- we should see -- what's
happening to the other humans.

Ace, that is one of the best analogies I've ever read, period.

Well.
Put.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at July 29, 2015 03:12 PM (wtvvX)

231 ! Link?
Posted by: joncelli, Boned like You at July 29, 2015 02:57 PM (RD7QR)

==========
It's all over. Live pressers but they are almost over. They misrepresnted the content of the video to the extreme. It's sickening.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/no-thiefs-allowed

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 29, 2015 03:15 PM (iQIUe)

232 Mennonites may be some things but sexually repressed is not among them.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Proud owner of Luap Nor's Last Brain Cell at July 29, 2015 03:04 PM (1aNPq)

I was trying to imagine what an Amish bodice-ripper would sound like. That was my mind boggling.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Sound Less Rage-Crazy, Get Quality Euphemisms at the Outrage Outlet! at July 29, 2015 03:16 PM (hLRSq)

233 You still here, Chi?

Posted by: Lauren at July 29, 2015 03:19 PM (nRlDG)

234 Because those don't shoot back.

Yet.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 29, 2015 02:14 PM (TW49l)

Not speaking to individuals behavior, but speaking rather of the reaction of the masses, I don't think that historically speaking there is much grounds for thinking that the Christian church will take up arms to defend itself against persecution. Looking at Rome, where Christians were fed to the lions, I know of no such mass revolt or resistance. Even today, ISIS slaughter able bodied men, Christians, who do not fight to defend themselves. Personally, I think this is of God, that he gives one the peace of God, which transcends understanding, and like Christ, the sheep is silent as it goes to be slaughtered.

Posted by: Sambo at July 29, 2015 03:23 PM (9UV3C)

235 >>> She mistakenly calls herself an atheist and then wonders why other atheists are such assholes. Duh -- it's because you're not really an atheist.

No, I don't think that's accurate. She has a well-developed appreciation for religion as an art form, for the art that it has inspired and given the world, and for it as a force for civilization in the world. None of that requires belief, let alone faith.

She believes, perhaps inaccurately, that the others are assholes because they do not have that same appreciation. That stand, I think, is problematic when applied to someone so obviously civilized as Hitchens, however.

Posted by: Bigby's Poking Finger at July 29, 2015 03:26 PM (3ZtZW)

236 Paglia in 2009 said obama's problem is that he's surrounded by incompetents. She said this after it was obvious obama wasnt All That.
Posted by: Soothsayer II, twelve-time Top Commenter at July 29, 2015 02:29 PM (L0kit)

Oh, yeah--Paglia has many flaws. I remember a number of articles from her where she gushed over Obama. She seems to have gotten over that though.

Posted by: Michael the Hobbit at July 29, 2015 03:29 PM (0RdKg)

237 I think there is a difference between snark and wit. Snark is sarcasm without the wit.

Posted by: Cruzinator at July 29, 2015 03:33 PM (p/8Bt)

238 35 And she has her blind spots.

For example, it's interesting that she identifies but can't articulate the connection between her revulsion at the PP videos and her being pro "unlimited reproductive rights."

What's going on, there?
Posted by: Feh at July 29, 2015 02:16 PM (wfznB)

Oh, definitely. Just like she has so romanticized her beloved 1960's that she can't see that many of the trends she decries got their start then.

And she's got her own dumb beliefs - the wonderfulness of Madonna, the accuracy of astrology, the notion that Bernie Sanders is someone to take seriously.

But when she hits the mark, she's devastating. Which is why the Salon commenters are jumping up and down and screaming "Paglia sucks and is a poopy-head" at the top of their lungs.

The atheists are especially pissed that she dissed The Holy Prophet Dawkins.

Posted by: Donna V. (sans ampersands) at July 29, 2015 03:35 PM (u0lmX)

239 >>> The faithful of the PC Religion are greatfully comforted as their enemies are misquoted, freeze framed in ugly positions, and skewered for their stupidity

Wife is currently watching eps of The Newsroom starring Jeff Daniels. I watched some random ep and boy-howdy that was slimy. Jeff plays some news anchor who is supposedly republican or centrist, but *everything* on the show is meant to pillory the right as ignorant dipshits, while Daniels gives the lefty talking points

Posted by: Bigby's Poking Finger at July 29, 2015 03:35 PM (3ZtZW)

240 229, his "fans" think Jon Stewart is "funny" because they already agree with his politics--he affirms their political beliefs and makes them feel hip and smart for having such stupid beliefs.
99% of the insane hatred that is felt for Fox News (sorry, FAUX NEWS!) by huge swaths of people derives from exposure to Stewart and Maher.

Posted by: JoeF. at July 29, 2015 03:36 PM (L62iy)

241 Snark is sarcasm without the wit.
Posted by: Cruzinator at July 29, 2015 03:33 PM (p/8Bt)

Yeah, it's some online religion hater going on about "Imaginary Friends" and the "Flying Spaghetti Monster" as if those are fresh new phrases instead of boring lefty cliches.

Wit invites you to think. Snark tells you you don't have to think about whatever topic it's directed at because "Flying Spaghetti Monster" is all you need to know about religion - not anything about history or theology or about what people actually believe., that would be too much work.

Posted by: Donna V. (sans ampersands) at July 29, 2015 03:39 PM (u0lmX)

242 Can we get one of those serpentine ramp things to wrap the cattle in bacon automatically before it gets to the slaughterhouse? Necessity is the mother of invention.

Posted by: Roy at July 29, 2015 03:56 PM (VndSC)

243 Paglia is ALWAYS pure gold. I have all her books & pages of stuff (like this) from the internet. She is the only Lib I would trust implicitly.

Posted by: Susan Lee at July 29, 2015 04:09 PM (NEbC9)

244 No one's mentioned where this more than likely came from?

The White House? (unless someone is scanning those logs for anything and if so why didn't it come up sooner)

How does it feel Jon? Those wheels on that bus I mean.

You're of no use to them anymore so it's "Hasta la vista, baby". You must have said something that gave them the idea that you might not be so sycophantic in the future. Like in an upcoming book or tv appearance. So ol' Valjar is not one to hold back. Her motto is "Do unto other before they do unto you".

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at July 29, 2015 04:13 PM (x3GpS)

245 Actually the lefties _did_ report on the first video, calling it a "hoax" and repeating the lame-o "deceptively edited" dodge. But they stopped reporting on the issue when the _second_ video came out.

Yeah, Jon Stewart is the Goebbels of the Obama admin. He's done tremendous damage to the brains of his clapping seal audience, and I'm glad to see him go.

Posted by: gp at July 29, 2015 05:10 PM (mk9aG)

246 I wish I had her vocabulary. It's up there with ace's.

That said, agree or not and never mind the non-snobbish but necessarily arrogant ~sniff sniff ~ in these interviews (and her writings) I love this lady's writings and interviews.

"Hey, Joey ~nudge, nudge~ wouldja take a look at da tinkin' dat goes on in <i>dat</i> mind. How'dja like a spin in the parlour wit dat, huh, huh, huh?"

Posted by: eureka! at July 29, 2015 05:34 PM (g1MTt)

247 "We should know-- we should see -- what's happening to the other humans."

NOTHING is happening to the other humans. They're just masses of tissue. You know. With eyes. And faces. And little tiny fingers.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at July 29, 2015 06:06 PM (Kucy5)

248 "99% of the insane hatred that is felt for Fox News (sorry, FAUX NEWS!)
by huge swaths of people derives from exposure to Stewart and Maher."

I have NEVER had a proglodyte who dissed Fox News or dissed me for (they're sure) watching it, who would ever admit they had watched ten seconds of it themselves.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at July 29, 2015 06:09 PM (Kucy5)

249 177

The two Florida boys what capsized have been rescued alive
....................
were they riding on the back of a shark?

They survived reentry inside a Great White. Those boys have a future.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at July 29, 2015 06:13 PM (Kucy5)

250 I always got a vibe off David Letterman, even back in his stand-up days, that he not so secretly had contempt for what he did, for himself for doing it, and for the people who laughed at it.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at July 29, 2015 06:15 PM (Kucy5)

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